=== daven [~davesheep@83.148.133.161.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:07] salut === douglas [~douglas@200.202.249.35] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hypatia [~mary@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:28] this URL is 404: [02:28] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM [02:29] and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=low+memory&Title=&Description=&created%3Adate=1970%2F02%2F01+00%3A00%3A00+GMT&created_usage=range%3Amin&pt_toggle=%23&portal_type%3Alist=AmazonItem&portal_type%3Alist=Discussion+Item&portal_type%3Alist=Document&portal_type%3Alist=Event&portal_type%3Alist=Favorite&portal_type%3Alist=File&portal_type%3Alist=Folder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenter&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterDefinition&portal_type%3Alist=H [02:29] oh foobar [02:29] that is ugly beyond belief [02:30] ...http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom/talkback/1103218967/view?searchterm=low%20memory [02:30] redirects to a URL that says: [02:30] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/insufficient_privileges === Flonne [~rhx@S0106000f663654db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:55] Bleh. Routers should not be allowed to die. === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:24] greetings === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@24.68.134.11] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:27] hi [05:29] salut [06:34] jeezz i was playing around win a windows server 2003 here at home and i broke it with sp1 [06:34] *grin* [06:34] heh [06:35] windows is fun eh? [06:35] even the stable version breaks a lot [06:35] it is fun [06:35] hehe [06:35] im laughing so hard [06:36] sp1 is the big new one eh? [06:36] its bigger than an apt-get dist-upgrad [06:36] bah [06:36] its like 400MB [06:36] hehe [06:36] damn gnomebaker froze [06:37] when i rebooted the box it said "installation failed" [06:37] hehe [06:37] wtf [06:39] lol [06:39] now i dont know if its fixed or not hehe [06:39] and this waht millions of people place thousands of dollars in trust every day [06:39] heh heres a good one [06:39] when i turn on the firewall [06:39] it wants to reboot [06:39] jeezz [06:39] lol [06:40] pretty soon, when you start a program, it will want to reboot [06:40] im reading the release notes [06:40] actually, they say longhorn will have more hotpatching [06:40] they reduced protocol exposure to SMB, lanman, ldap [06:40] hmm [06:40] i wonder how this affects samba clients [06:41] oh well i will play around with the other box later [06:51] probably not much [07:27] Wouldn't Windows hotpatching require a total rewrite of the services and kernel? [07:30] urrkk if that is so, does that mean the whole system was rewritten [07:33] Unless Microsoft is just lying again... [07:33] could be [07:33] this is on the unofficial longhorn spec sheet [07:33] It may also slip [07:33] Any hotpatching is more hotpatching, though. [07:34] yes [07:34] They could make config files hot-patchable. =P [07:34] and hotpatching is good [07:35] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/ms_paper_touts_unix/ [07:35] read that [07:35] is funny [07:43] dog it dog haha [07:43] eat === froud-away is now known as froud [07:45] salut froud [07:45] African Greetings [07:45] morn === froud sips at coffee [07:45] hi froud [07:45] Invisible_Pink_U ??? Hmmm [07:45] morn [07:46] we were having a religion debate in #wikipedia [07:46] argh, religion, nooooooo [07:46] yes [07:47] froud: your email about the branched r871 [07:47] yes [07:47] there was a gentleman of christian persusian, who was trying to convince us that homosexuality was a sin [07:47] froud: will doing a checkout make a new wc? [07:47] so there will be 2 wc? trunk and branch? [07:48] homosexuality is a sin in the judeo-christian beliefs but nowadays every religion should be liberal on such issues [07:48] yes if you are using eSvn just do browse then change the string trunk to branch and then click browse [07:48] from there you can do checkout [07:52] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch/ ? [07:52] jsgotangco: yes [07:52] jsgotangco: most of the heavy moving is now done [07:53] jsgotangco: I am just developing the make system [07:53] my focus is to complete the gnome first, that way we can merge back to trunk sooner [07:54] svn list https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch/ --recursive --verbose --non-interactive [07:54] svn: URL 'https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch' non-existent in that revision [07:54] error (1) [07:55] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches sorry [07:55] okay === froud is still in the early morning fog [07:57] hmm its taking a while i guess its working [07:58] Burgundavia: seems like this person is a hardliner, personally I dont care what a persons sexual proclility is [07:58] you will see thr branches folder [07:58] then click it [07:58] it will expand the folders in the branch [07:58] select restruct [07:59] and do a checkout on that [07:59] Burgundavia: everyone is entitled to a religion [08:00] and everyone is entitled to thier sexual preference [08:00] ok i see the branch [08:00] nice do you see the sub folders [08:00] restruct -> build -> common, etc [08:01] oh its the same structure [08:01] yes [08:01] more or less [08:01] but it now has kde [08:01] and generic [08:01] libs have moved [08:01] ok i just select restructure and click on check out [08:01] yes [08:02] and i make a new wc right [08:02] yes in a new folder outside your trunk [08:03] gotcha..the only thing i notice is [08:03] that when i did a co [08:03] i dont see the progress [08:03] eh? [08:03] you should see prgress [08:03] give it a second [08:04] ok there she goes... === jsgotangco is beginning to like esvn more [08:05] needs to get the file list from th e.svn on the repos [08:05] This is what Baz needs [08:06] jsgotangco: I am still building the make files etc and have not checked them in yet [08:06] jsgotangco: I will soon do a checkin for the gnome folder [08:06] then perhaps you would like to help me integrate the other folders [08:07] yes i would ill familiarize myself with the branch then [08:07] OK, remember what you are looking at is still unstable [08:07] so nothing works [08:08] its expected [08:08] *grin* [08:09] as I said I will do the first make for gnome and then perhaps you can do generic and kde [08:09] that way you will get an understanding of the make system [08:09] I also suggest we document it in the wiki once we get further [08:10] that way when we merge to trunk people will have something to follow [08:10] ok ill make some notes on this conversation as reference [08:10] Flonne: ping [08:10] Hi. [08:10] My router died. [08:11] Hi, ooo sorry about that [08:11] It's amazingly difficult to find ISA cards there days. :( [08:11] Flonne: r you up to hacking the restructure in the branch [08:11] or mobos with ISA slots either [08:11] I managed to get access to a Mac today, so I'll be testing netboot stuff tomorrow. === jsgotangco needs an ISA mobo for an old test tooling kit [08:12] Is the planned restructure documented in any way? [08:12] Flonne: in my head === Flonne maintains a 486 running oBSD. [08:12] Flonne: most of the heavy moving is done [08:12] Software routers are great. [08:12] So what would you want me to do? Verify XSLT structures? [08:13] Flonne: now I am building the make system, based on the methods used for autogen [08:13] I will do a checkin for the gnome folder as a sample app [08:13] an when I do post it to the list [08:14] Updating... [08:14] Flonne: we are in branches/restructure [08:15] what happens to trunk we keep it as is at the moment and just commit some stuff? [08:15] Flonne: jsgotangco: I am not sure there is anything you can do until I do the make checkin for gnome [08:15] ok no rush [08:15] Hmm... I'll need to check out the level below trunk. [08:15] jsgotangco: trunkgoes on as it is. If there are commits we merge them to the branch [08:16] Flonne: dont you already have it [08:16] Not on this laptop. [08:16] AH [08:17] I was experimenting with Ubuntu amd64 while my router was down. [08:17] jsgotangco: we will merge changes in trunk to the branch so that we can easily merge branch back to trunk [08:17] Flonne: an [08:17] ok i get the branch -> trunk trunk ->branch flow now [08:18] How many branches do you plan to introduce? [08:19] Core + KDE/Gnome? [08:19] (With core being trunk) [08:19] i see a kde in restructure [08:20] Flonne: restructure is going to be trunk [08:20] I have created folders for gnome, kde, generic [08:20] Branches are one of those things that make Subversion great. :) [08:20] libs has moved [08:21] kde generic and gnome will have their own libs [08:21] there is still commons [08:21] So the plan is basically to place basesystem stuff in generic, then export against the Gnome or KDE branches when required? [08:21] so generic is stuff that is not desktop specific [08:22] generic holds the FAQ Guide [08:22] and LearnLinux [08:22] FAQ Guide will be profiled [08:22] learn linux is cli [08:22] so no desktop stuff [08:23] so the genral rul of thumb is that generic is for documents that sepak about cli only or have application to both KDE and GNOME [08:23] the faq guide for example [08:24] it is mostly GNOME now [08:24] but we can easily apply much of the stuff to kde [08:24] Will generic become trunk after the restructure? [08:24] Since it is a qanda set [08:24] no [08:24] the whole of restructure becomes trunk [08:25] whatever we do in the restructure/ will be merged into trunk/ [08:25] Ah. I see it now. [08:25] wait [08:25] I branched at r871 [08:25] some changes in trunk must reflect in restructure right [08:25] so our first r in the branch is r872 [08:26] but restructure changes become trunk in the end [08:26] right [08:26] jsgotangco: yes [08:26] ok its so clear now [08:26] jsgotangco: see svn book about branches [08:27] http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/svn-book.html#svn-ch-4 [08:27] that should explain the concept [08:28] Ok any more questions I must do work now [08:29] ill just read the link and finish this branch thing [08:29] I will commit the make system only tonight [08:29] ok [08:29] that way you can see how it will work [08:29] after that we will be able to replicate it for generic and kde [08:30] then we need to sort the entities [08:30] global.net is going to slpit [08:30] there will be global-fr.ent [08:30] global-de.ent [08:30] etc [08:31] this will make compensation for i18n [08:31] and we will have folders for menus in each language and the documents [08:31] oohhh [08:31] that is really nice [08:32] the make system will build the omf files, pots and pos [08:32] Can't wait to see your plan in action. [08:32] we're not worthy! [08:33] basically I want the system to manage all and if we create a new doc it should be easy to integrate [08:33] also for package it should be easy to packaged each book by itslef or the whole gnome or kde or generic [08:33] With special consideration being given to translations, right? [08:34] yes, I want translations to be fire and forget [08:34] we make a pot we get back po [08:34] Including pos for new docs? [08:34] the system generates omf-fr etc [08:34] we make pot not po [08:35] the translators give us back po [08:35] Typo. [08:35] i think we should fix conventions as well [08:35] we add po to svn and make xml-nn [08:35] like we had problems on the po.diff patches [08:35] I know about " we should use [08:36] any others [08:36] we'll see along the way [08:36] I was wondering why you weren't using tags like that... [08:36] OK [08:36] You have to work. =P [08:36] well dudes, speak later [08:36] very happy you too will be ther eto help [08:36] :-) [08:37] froud [08:37] chow [08:37] wait [08:37] I hope I can help. :) [08:37] uh huh [08:37] i just finished co of branch [08:37] jsgotangco: ok [08:37] does that mean i create a new wc on esvn? [08:37] workspace i mean [08:37] you can [08:37] that will make it easier for you to switch between them [08:37] ok i thought trunk and branch can be used at the same time [08:38] They can if you do a checkout on repos/ === Flonne installs esvn on all systems. [08:38] but this will create tags [08:38] and the tags folder is large === froud is glad to here it. Perhaps Flonne and jsgotangco what to hack the eSvn documentation [08:39] ok workspace is fine [08:39] you can do checkout from svn at eSvn web site [08:39] I know of one or two bugs in the document [08:40] and improvements are always welcome [08:40] ok that can be arranged [08:40] unemployment is bliss [08:40] Let me know if you have patches and I will patch the sources for you. [08:40] I mean on eSvn now [08:41] ok dudes bye for now === froud is now known as froud-work [08:41] Student approaching finals here. ^^ [08:42] hmm branch is still bare [08:43] Is the bottom pane in the eSvn window used to display changes? [08:44] thats the output log [08:44] you see commands issued and stuff === jsgotangco just started using esvn a few days ago [08:44] Ah. [08:59] Mandriva [08:59] *grin* === Skywind [~Skywind@218.94.37.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:02] you mean mandrivel [09:02] Different name, same garbage. :) [09:02] hehe [09:02] another example of corprate branding gone wrong [09:02] what a crappy name [09:02] manisthisstilltrivia [09:02] That's what I thought when I first heard it, jsgotangco. [09:02] jeezz #ubuntu-devel is smoking [09:03] Then I realized where it came from... [09:03] After that, I just started laughing. ^^ [09:03] it sounds like a monkey specie [09:03] Conectiva was Brazilian, right? [09:03] yes [09:03] And Drake's documentation was already filled with typos and severe grammatical mistakes... [09:04] i used to like rh documentation [09:04] But RH is professional (though I really can't stand their management interfaces). Drake is like a cheap hack. [09:05] you think we can go to that level of documentation in the future? [09:06] I'm hoping to spend most of the summer improving the quality of what exists already... [09:06] I'm sure it'll happen eventually. :) [09:07] yes we'll evolve eventually [09:07] Some good changes seem to be on the way. === Skywind [~Skywind@218.94.37.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:30] Where's the faqguide? [10:31] in trunk or branch? [10:31] in trunk it is in the root of trunk [10:31] Hoary's faq guide. FOr end users. [10:31] mvirkkil: you want to write or you just want to read? [10:31] I mean on the web. So that I can point people to it. [10:32] froud-work: Read [10:32] www.ubuntuguide.org [10:32] a bit outa date though [10:32] and should be used with caution [10:32] That's the old one. I mean a more official version of this: www.ubuntuguide.org [10:32] which should be used with a great deal fo caution [10:32] ARGH.. Wrong paste [10:33] /temp is hoary [10:33] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/faqguide [10:33] Hmm.. Though that seems to be a bit out of date too.. [10:33] mvirkkil: we need to update it for hoary [10:34] ok [10:34] it is warty [10:34] never mind then. [10:34] you can get the source in svn and update it if you want [10:39] mvirkkil: I know Burgundavia will also be working on the FAQ Guide, perhaps you can work together? [10:40] brb gotta reboot x [10:41] what is it with him and rebooting [10:41] I never saw a person reboot so much [10:42] hmm [10:42] windows refugee [10:42] got rebootitis [10:43] lets ask him :-) === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:51] jsgotangco: you have rebootitis? [10:51] why do you keep having to reboot? [10:51] rofl [10:52] blah i was testing stuff on my X [10:53] still lol [10:53] jsgotangco: you dont hav eto reboot for that [10:53] i just did X [10:53] not the whole system [10:53] Ah ok [10:53] why the freak did it take so long? === froud-work was wondering the same [10:53] seen those bandwidth charts? [10:53] well i do other stuff [10:54] i dont connect to freenode in an instant [10:54] Burgundavia: what chart? [10:54] http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en [10:54] jeezz look at that spike [10:55] no slashdot yet [10:55] and distrowatch only has kubuntu [10:55] should my gnome reflect 2.10.1? [10:55] what charts are those? [10:55] about gnome is still 2.10.0 here [10:55] for an ubuntu mirror [10:55] for today [10:56] geeze [10:56] and my circle of friends is still the old one [10:56] ? [10:57] that is hectic [10:57] wonder how many downloads [10:58] hoary gets to live while the pope is about to be buried [10:58] oh well bury the pope and give birth to hoary :-) [10:59] no bad omens here :-) [11:00] and breezy is now conceived [11:00] *grin* [11:09] oh the pleasure of building six books of 600 pages with one command "make books" [11:11] ummm what do we do at the moment while waiting for you to do stuff on branch [11:13] rean svn book [11:13] s/n/d [11:14] good idea === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-150.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:41] maskie: it is not call more time yet. === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:38] nice they have use the same style as kubuntu for the web page [12:39] hehehe maybe i should move to kubuntu [12:39] it looks so solid [12:39] bah [12:39] kde [12:39] jsgotangco: rock dude [12:39] gives me windows nightmares [12:39] It's not the interface that counts [12:39] its the stability [12:39] rock solid apps [12:40] k3b [12:40] yes [12:40] amarok [12:40] I must admit [12:40] graveman and gnomebaker failed on me [12:40] so I was forced to use a qt app [12:40] I had to use k3d [12:40] or it is k3b ;) [12:40] thats not so bad === froud-work waves his hand in front of Burgundavia's eyes and says, "You will come to Kubuntu." === Burgundavia resists [12:41] resistance is futile the force is strong with Kongi :-) [12:41] but i will probably need a new box to break stuff to make good work on docs [12:42] yep good excuse for the wife [12:42] now you have a reason to go into that computer store she always pulls you away from :-) [12:42] arghh [12:42] there is a guy on #ubuntu that is being very annoying [12:42] but not enough to justify kicking [12:46] there's a line between breaking the rules and just annoying people [12:46] unfortunately :) [12:47] unfortunately he hasn't crossed it [12:47] he seems drunk to me [12:47] :s [12:48] ok im out [12:48] what a long day [12:48] daven: have we met? [12:48] were you at Mataro? === froud-work [~froud@ndn-165-146-40.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:49] i'm afraid not - i'm just a random! [12:49] ok [12:49] i found ubuntu a few weeks ago after trying debian for a while [12:49] i'm really impressed with it [12:49]