[12:07] <Burgundavia> salut
[02:28] <sladen> this URL is 404:
[02:28] <sladen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM
[02:29] <sladen> and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=low+memory&Title=&Description=&created%3Adate=1970%2F02%2F01+00%3A00%3A00+GMT&created_usage=range%3Amin&pt_toggle=%23&portal_type%3Alist=AmazonItem&portal_type%3Alist=Discussion+Item&portal_type%3Alist=Document&portal_type%3Alist=Event&portal_type%3Alist=Favorite&portal_type%3Alist=File&portal_type%3Alist=Folder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenter&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterDefinition&portal_type%3Alist=H
[02:29] <sladen> oh foobar
[02:29] <sladen> that is ugly beyond belief
[02:30] <sladen> ...http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom/talkback/1103218967/view?searchterm=low%20memory
[02:30] <sladen> redirects to a URL that says:
[02:30] <sladen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/insufficient_privileges
[02:55] <Flonne> Bleh. Routers should not be allowed to die.
[04:24] <jsgotangco> greetings
[05:27] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:29] <Burgundavia> salut
[06:34] <jsgotangco> jeezz i was playing around win a windows server 2003 here at home and i broke it with sp1
[06:34] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[06:34] <Burgundavia> heh
[06:35] <Burgundavia> windows is fun eh?
[06:35] <Burgundavia> even the stable version breaks a lot
[06:35] <jsgotangco> it is fun
[06:35] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:35] <jsgotangco> im laughing so hard
[06:36] <Burgundavia> sp1 is the big new one eh?
[06:36] <jsgotangco> its bigger than an apt-get dist-upgrad
[06:36] <Burgundavia> bah
[06:36] <jsgotangco> its like 400MB
[06:36] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:36] <Burgundavia> damn gnomebaker froze
[06:37] <jsgotangco> when i rebooted the box it said "installation failed"
[06:37] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:37] <jsgotangco> wtf
[06:39] <Burgundavia> lol
[06:39] <jsgotangco> now i dont know if its fixed or not hehe
[06:39] <Burgundavia> and this waht millions of people place thousands of dollars in trust every day
[06:39] <jsgotangco> heh heres a good one
[06:39] <jsgotangco> when i turn on the firewall
[06:39] <jsgotangco> it wants to reboot
[06:39] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[06:39] <Burgundavia> lol
[06:40] <Burgundavia> pretty soon, when you start a program, it will want to reboot
[06:40] <jsgotangco> im reading the release notes
[06:40] <Burgundavia> actually, they say longhorn will have more hotpatching
[06:40] <jsgotangco> they reduced protocol exposure to SMB, lanman, ldap
[06:40] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:40] <jsgotangco> i wonder how this affects samba clients
[06:41] <jsgotangco> oh well i will play around with the other box later
[06:51] <Burgundavia> probably not much
[07:27] <Flonne> Wouldn't Windows hotpatching require a total rewrite of the services and kernel?
[07:30] <jsgotangco> urrkk if that is so, does that mean the whole system was rewritten
[07:33] <Flonne> Unless Microsoft is just lying again...
[07:33] <Burgundavia> could be
[07:33] <Burgundavia> this is on the unofficial longhorn spec sheet
[07:33] <Burgundavia> It may also slip
[07:33] <Flonne> Any hotpatching is more hotpatching, though.
[07:34] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:34] <Flonne> They could make config files hot-patchable. =P
[07:34] <Burgundavia> and hotpatching is good
[07:35] <Burgundavia> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/ms_paper_touts_unix/
[07:35] <Burgundavia> read that
[07:35] <Burgundavia> is funny
[07:43] <jsgotangco> dog it dog haha
[07:43] <jsgotangco> eat
[07:45] <Burgundavia> salut froud 
[07:45] <froud> African Greetings
[07:45] <froud> morn
[07:45] <jsgotangco> hi froud
[07:45] <froud> Invisible_Pink_U ??? Hmmm
[07:45] <froud> morn
[07:46] <Burgundavia> we were having a religion debate in #wikipedia
[07:46] <froud> argh, religion, nooooooo
[07:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:47] <jsgotangco> froud: your email about the branched r871
[07:47] <froud> yes
[07:47] <Burgundavia> there was a gentleman of christian persusian, who was trying to convince us that homosexuality was a sin
[07:47] <jsgotangco> froud: will doing a checkout make a new wc?
[07:47] <jsgotangco> so there will be 2 wc? trunk and branch?
[07:48] <jsgotangco> homosexuality is a sin in the judeo-christian beliefs but nowadays every religion should be liberal on such issues
[07:48] <froud> yes if you are using eSvn just do browse then change the string trunk to branch and then click browse
[07:48] <froud> from there you can do checkout
[07:52] <jsgotangco>  https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch/ ?
[07:52] <froud> jsgotangco: yes
[07:52] <froud> jsgotangco: most of the heavy moving is now done
[07:53] <froud> jsgotangco: I am just developing the make system
[07:53] <froud> my focus is to complete the gnome first, that way we can merge back to trunk sooner
[07:54] <jsgotangco> svn list https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch/ --recursive --verbose --non-interactive 
[07:54] <jsgotangco> svn: URL 'https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch' non-existent in that revision
[07:54] <jsgotangco> error (1)
[07:55] <froud> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches sorry
[07:55] <jsgotangco> okay
[07:57] <jsgotangco> hmm its taking a while i guess its working
[07:58] <froud> Burgundavia: seems like this person is a hardliner, personally I dont care what a persons sexual proclility is
[07:58] <froud> you will see thr branches folder
[07:58] <froud> then click it
[07:58] <froud> it will expand the folders in the branch
[07:58] <froud> select restruct
[07:59] <froud> and do a checkout on that
[07:59] <froud> Burgundavia: everyone is entitled to a religion
[08:00] <froud> and everyone is entitled to thier sexual preference
[08:00] <jsgotangco> ok i see the branch
[08:00] <froud> nice do you see the sub folders
[08:00] <jsgotangco> restruct -> build -> common, etc
[08:01] <jsgotangco> oh its the same structure
[08:01] <froud> yes
[08:01] <froud> more or less
[08:01] <jsgotangco> but it now has kde
[08:01] <froud> and generic
[08:01] <froud> libs have moved
[08:01] <jsgotangco> ok i just select restructure and click on check out
[08:01] <froud> yes
[08:02] <jsgotangco> and i make a new wc right
[08:02] <froud> yes in a new folder outside your trunk
[08:03] <jsgotangco> gotcha..the only thing i notice is
[08:03] <jsgotangco> that when i did a co
[08:03] <jsgotangco> i dont see the progress
[08:03] <jsgotangco> eh?
[08:03] <froud> you should see prgress
[08:03] <froud> give it a second
[08:04] <jsgotangco> ok there she goes...
[08:05] <froud> needs to get the file list from th e.svn on the repos
[08:05] <froud> This is what Baz needs
[08:06] <froud> jsgotangco: I am still building the make files etc and have not checked them in yet
[08:06] <froud> jsgotangco: I will soon do a checkin for the gnome folder
[08:06] <froud> then perhaps you would like to help me integrate the other folders
[08:07] <jsgotangco> yes i would ill familiarize myself with the branch then
[08:07] <froud> OK, remember what you are looking at is still unstable
[08:07] <froud> so nothing works
[08:08] <jsgotangco> its expected
[08:08] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[08:09] <froud> as I said I will do the first make for gnome and then perhaps you can do generic and kde
[08:09] <froud> that way you will get an understanding of the make system
[08:09] <froud> I also suggest we document it in the wiki once we get  further
[08:10] <froud> that way when we merge to trunk people will have something to follow
[08:10] <jsgotangco> ok ill make some notes on this conversation as reference
[08:10] <froud> Flonne: ping
[08:10] <Flonne> Hi.
[08:10] <Flonne> My router died.
[08:11] <froud> Hi, ooo sorry about that
[08:11] <Flonne> It's amazingly difficult to find ISA cards there days. :(
[08:11] <froud> Flonne: r you up to hacking the restructure in the branch
[08:11] <jsgotangco> or mobos with ISA slots either
[08:11] <Flonne> I managed to get access to a Mac today, so I'll be testing netboot stuff tomorrow.
[08:12] <Flonne> Is the planned restructure documented in any way?
[08:12] <froud> Flonne: in my head
[08:12] <froud> Flonne: most of the heavy moving is done
[08:12] <Flonne> Software routers are great.
[08:12] <Flonne> So what would you want me to do? Verify XSLT structures?
[08:13] <froud> Flonne: now I am building the make system, based on the methods used for autogen
[08:13] <froud> I will do a checkin for the gnome folder as a sample app
[08:13] <froud> an when I do post it to the list
[08:14] <Flonne> Updating...
[08:14] <froud> Flonne: we are in branches/restructure
[08:15] <jsgotangco> what happens to trunk we keep it as is at the moment and just commit some stuff?
[08:15] <froud> Flonne: jsgotangco: I am not sure there is anything you can do until I do the make checkin for gnome
[08:15] <jsgotangco> ok no rush
[08:15] <Flonne> Hmm... I'll need to check out the level below trunk.
[08:15] <froud> jsgotangco: trunkgoes on as it is. If there are commits we merge them to the branch
[08:16] <froud> Flonne: dont you already have it
[08:16] <Flonne> Not on this laptop.
[08:16] <froud> AH
[08:17] <Flonne> I was experimenting with Ubuntu amd64 while my router was down.
[08:17] <froud> jsgotangco: we will merge changes in trunk to the branch so that we can easily merge branch back to trunk
[08:17] <froud> Flonne: an
[08:17] <jsgotangco> ok i get the branch -> trunk trunk ->branch flow now
[08:18] <Flonne> How many branches do you plan to introduce?
[08:19] <Flonne> Core + KDE/Gnome?
[08:19] <Flonne> (With core being trunk)
[08:19] <jsgotangco> i see a kde in restructure
[08:20] <froud> Flonne: restructure is going to be trunk
[08:20] <froud> I have created folders for gnome, kde, generic
[08:20] <Flonne> Branches are one of those things that make Subversion great. :)
[08:20] <froud> libs has moved
[08:21] <froud> kde generic and gnome will have their own libs
[08:21] <froud> there is still commons
[08:21] <Flonne> So the plan is basically to place basesystem stuff in generic, then export against the Gnome or KDE branches when required?
[08:21] <froud> so generic is stuff that is not desktop specific
[08:22] <froud> generic holds the FAQ Guide
[08:22] <froud> and LearnLinux
[08:22] <froud> FAQ Guide will be profiled
[08:22] <froud> learn linux is cli
[08:22] <froud> so no desktop stuff
[08:23] <froud> so the genral rul of thumb is that generic is for documents that sepak about cli only or have application to both KDE and GNOME
[08:23] <froud> the faq guide for example
[08:24] <froud> it is mostly GNOME now
[08:24] <froud> but we can easily apply much of the stuff to kde
[08:24] <Flonne> Will generic become trunk after the restructure?
[08:24] <froud> Since it is a qanda set
[08:24] <froud> no
[08:24] <froud> the whole of restructure becomes trunk
[08:25] <froud> whatever we do in the restructure/ will be merged into trunk/
[08:25] <Flonne> Ah. I see it now.
[08:25] <jsgotangco> wait
[08:25] <froud> I branched at r871
[08:25] <jsgotangco> some changes in trunk must reflect in restructure right
[08:25] <froud> so our first r in the branch is r872
[08:26] <jsgotangco> but restructure changes become trunk in the end
[08:26] <jsgotangco> right
[08:26] <froud> jsgotangco: yes
[08:26] <jsgotangco> ok its so clear now
[08:26] <froud> jsgotangco:  see svn book about branches
[08:27] <froud> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/svn-book.html#svn-ch-4
[08:27] <froud> that should explain the concept
[08:28] <froud> Ok any more questions I must do work now
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ill just read the link and finish this branch thing
[08:29] <froud> I will commit the make system only tonight
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ok
[08:29] <froud> that way you can see how it will work
[08:29] <froud> after that we will be able to replicate it for generic and kde
[08:30] <froud> then we need to sort the entities
[08:30] <froud> global.net is going to slpit
[08:30] <froud> there will be global-fr.ent
[08:30] <froud> global-de.ent
[08:30] <froud> etc
[08:31] <froud> this will make compensation for i18n
[08:31] <froud> and we will have folders for menus in each language and the documents
[08:31] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[08:31] <jsgotangco> that is really nice
[08:32] <froud> the make system will build the omf files, pots and pos
[08:32] <Flonne> Can't wait to see your plan in action.
[08:32] <jsgotangco> we're not worthy!
[08:33] <froud> basically I want the system to manage all and if we create a new doc it should be easy to integrate
[08:33] <froud> also for package it should be easy to packaged each book by itslef or the whole gnome or kde or generic
[08:33] <Flonne> With special consideration being given to translations, right?
[08:34] <froud> yes, I want translations to be fire and forget
[08:34] <froud> we make a pot we get back po
[08:34] <Flonne> Including pos for new docs?
[08:34] <froud> the system generates omf-fr etc
[08:34] <froud> we make pot not po
[08:35] <froud> the translators give us back po
[08:35] <Flonne> Typo.
[08:35] <jsgotangco> i think we should fix conventions as well
[08:35] <froud> we add po to svn and make xml-nn
[08:35] <jsgotangco> like we had problems on the po.diff patches
[08:35] <froud> I know about &quot; we should use <quote></quote>
[08:36] <froud> any others
[08:36] <jsgotangco> we'll see along the way
[08:36] <Flonne> I was wondering why you weren't using tags like that...
[08:36] <froud> OK
[08:36] <Flonne> You have to work. =P
[08:36] <froud> well dudes, speak later
[08:36] <froud> very happy you too will be ther eto help
[08:36] <froud> :-)
[08:37] <jsgotangco> froud
[08:37] <froud> chow
[08:37] <jsgotangco> wait
[08:37] <Flonne> I hope I can help. :)
[08:37] <froud> uh huh
[08:37] <jsgotangco> i just finished co of branch
[08:37] <froud> jsgotangco: ok
[08:37] <jsgotangco> does that mean i create a new wc on esvn?
[08:37] <jsgotangco> workspace i mean
[08:37] <froud> you can
[08:37] <froud> that will make it easier for you to switch between them
[08:37] <jsgotangco> ok i thought trunk and branch can be used at the same time
[08:38] <froud> They can if you do a checkout on repos/
[08:38] <froud> but this will create tags
[08:38] <froud> and the tags folder is large
[08:39] <jsgotangco> ok workspace is fine
[08:39] <froud>  you can do checkout from svn at eSvn web site
[08:39] <froud> I know of one or two bugs in the document
[08:40] <froud> and improvements are always welcome
[08:40] <jsgotangco> ok that can be arranged
[08:40] <jsgotangco> unemployment is bliss
[08:40] <froud> Let me know if you have patches and I will patch the sources for you.
[08:40] <froud> I mean on eSvn now
[08:41] <froud> ok dudes bye for now
[08:41] <Flonne> Student approaching finals here. ^^
[08:42] <jsgotangco> hmm branch is still bare
[08:43] <Flonne> Is the bottom pane in the eSvn window used to display changes?
[08:44] <jsgotangco> thats the output log
[08:44] <jsgotangco> you see commands issued and stuff
[08:44] <Flonne> Ah.
[08:59] <jsgotangco> Mandriva
[08:59] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[09:02] <Burgundavia> you mean mandrivel
[09:02] <Flonne> Different name, same garbage. :)
[09:02] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:02] <Burgundavia> another example of corprate branding gone wrong
[09:02] <jsgotangco> what a crappy name
[09:02] <Burgundavia> manisthisstilltrivia
[09:02] <Flonne> That's what I thought when I first heard it, jsgotangco.
[09:02] <jsgotangco> jeezz #ubuntu-devel is smoking
[09:03] <Flonne> Then I realized where it came from...
[09:03] <Flonne> After that, I just started laughing. ^^
[09:03] <jsgotangco> it sounds like a monkey specie
[09:03] <Flonne> Conectiva was Brazilian, right?
[09:03] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:03] <Flonne> And Drake's documentation was already filled with typos and severe grammatical mistakes...
[09:04] <jsgotangco> i used to like rh documentation
[09:04] <Flonne> But RH is professional (though I really can't stand their management interfaces). Drake is like a cheap hack.
[09:05] <jsgotangco> you think we can go to that level of documentation in the future?
[09:06] <Flonne> I'm hoping to spend most of the summer improving the quality of what exists already...
[09:06] <Flonne> I'm sure it'll happen eventually. :)
[09:07] <jsgotangco> yes we'll evolve eventually
[09:07] <Flonne> Some good changes seem to be on the way.
[10:30] <mvirkkil> Where's the faqguide?
[10:31] <froud-work> in trunk or branch?
[10:31] <froud-work> in trunk it is in the root of trunk
[10:31] <mvirkkil> Hoary's faq guide. FOr end users.
[10:31] <froud-work> mvirkkil: you want to write or you just want to read?
[10:31] <mvirkkil> I mean on the web. So that I can point people to it.
[10:32] <mvirkkil> froud-work: Read
[10:32] <froud-work> www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:32] <froud-work> a bit outa date though
[10:32] <froud-work> and should be used with caution
[10:32] <mvirkkil> That's the old one. I mean a more official version of this: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:32] <Burgundavia> which should be used with a great deal fo caution
[10:32] <mvirkkil> ARGH.. Wrong paste
[10:33] <Burgundavia>  /temp is hoary
[10:33] <mvirkkil> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/faqguide
[10:33] <mvirkkil> Hmm.. Though that seems to be a bit out of date too..
[10:33] <froud-work> mvirkkil: we need to update it for hoary
[10:34] <mvirkkil> ok
[10:34] <froud-work> it is warty
[10:34] <mvirkkil> never mind then.
[10:34] <froud-work> you can get the source in svn and update it if you want
[10:39] <froud-work> mvirkkil: I know Burgundavia will also be working on the FAQ Guide, perhaps you can work together?
[10:40] <jsgotangco> brb gotta reboot x
[10:41] <froud-work> what is it with him and rebooting
[10:41] <froud-work> I never saw a person reboot so much
[10:42] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:42] <Burgundavia> windows refugee
[10:42] <Burgundavia> got rebootitis
[10:43] <froud-work> lets ask him :-)
[10:51] <froud-work> jsgotangco: you have rebootitis?
[10:51] <froud-work> why do you keep having to reboot?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> rofl
[10:52] <jsgotangco> blah i was testing stuff on my X
[10:53] <Burgundavia> still lol
[10:53] <froud-work> jsgotangco: you dont hav eto reboot for that
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i just did X
[10:53] <jsgotangco> not the whole system
[10:53] <froud-work> Ah ok
[10:53] <Burgundavia> why the freak did it take so long?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> seen those bandwidth charts?
[10:53] <jsgotangco> well i do other stuff
[10:54] <jsgotangco> i dont connect to freenode in an instant
[10:54] <froud-work> Burgundavia: what chart?
[10:54] <Burgundavia> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[10:54] <jsgotangco> jeezz look at that spike
[10:55] <Burgundavia> no slashdot yet
[10:55] <Burgundavia> and distrowatch only has kubuntu
[10:55] <jsgotangco> should my gnome reflect 2.10.1?
[10:55] <froud-work> what charts are those?
[10:55] <jsgotangco> about gnome is still 2.10.0 here
[10:55] <Burgundavia> for an ubuntu mirror
[10:55] <Burgundavia> for today
[10:56] <froud-work> geeze
[10:56] <jsgotangco> and my circle of friends is still the old one
[10:56] <jsgotangco> ?
[10:57] <froud-work> that is hectic
[10:57] <froud-work> wonder how many downloads
[10:58] <jsgotangco> hoary gets to live while the pope is about to be buried
[10:58] <froud-work> oh well bury the pope and give birth to hoary :-)
[10:59] <froud-work> no bad omens here :-)
[11:00] <jsgotangco> and breezy is now conceived
[11:00] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[11:09] <froud-work> oh the pleasure of building six books of 600 pages with one command "make books"
[11:11] <jsgotangco> ummm what do we do at the moment while waiting for you to do stuff on branch
[11:13] <froud-work> rean svn book
[11:13] <froud-work> s/n/d
[11:14] <jsgotangco> good  idea
[11:41] <froud-work> maskie: it is not call more time yet.
[12:38] <froud-work> nice they have use the same style as kubuntu for the web page
[12:39] <jsgotangco> hehehe maybe i should move to kubuntu
[12:39] <jsgotangco> it looks so solid
[12:39] <Burgundavia> bah
[12:39] <Burgundavia> kde
[12:39] <froud-work> jsgotangco: rock dude
[12:39] <Burgundavia> gives me windows nightmares
[12:39] <froud-work> It's not the interface that counts
[12:39] <froud-work> its the stability
[12:39] <jsgotangco> rock solid apps
[12:40] <froud-work> k3b
[12:40] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:40] <jsgotangco> amarok
[12:40] <Burgundavia> I must admit
[12:40] <Burgundavia> graveman and gnomebaker failed on me
[12:40] <Burgundavia> so I was forced to use a qt app
[12:40] <Burgundavia> I had to use k3d
[12:40] <Burgundavia> or it is k3b ;)
[12:40] <jsgotangco> thats not so bad
[12:41] <froud-work> resistance is futile the force is strong with Kongi :-)
[12:41] <jsgotangco> but i will probably need a new box to break stuff to make good work on docs
[12:42] <froud-work> yep good excuse for the wife
[12:42] <froud-work> now you have a reason to go into that computer store she always pulls you away from :-)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> arghh
[12:42] <Burgundavia> there is a guy on #ubuntu that is being very annoying
[12:42] <Burgundavia> but not enough to justify kicking
[12:46] <daven> there's a line between breaking the rules and just annoying people
[12:46] <daven> unfortunately :)
[12:47] <Burgundavia> unfortunately he hasn't crossed it
[12:47] <Burgundavia> he seems drunk to me
[12:47] <daven> :s
[12:48] <jsgotangco> ok im out
[12:48] <jsgotangco> what a long day
[12:48] <Burgundavia> daven: have we met?
[12:48] <Burgundavia> were you at Mataro?
[12:49] <daven> i'm afraid not - i'm just a random!
[12:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:49] <daven> i found ubuntu a few weeks ago after trying debian for a while
[12:49] <daven> i'm really impressed with it
[12:49] <Burgundavia> don't recognize your nick
[12:49] <Burgundavia> welcome
[12:49] <daven> thanks - hi! :)
[12:49] <Burgundavia> we usually (don't) talk about docs here
[12:49] <jsgotangco> im out
[12:49] <daven> hehe
[12:49] <jsgotangco> we talk about homosexuality and the pope
[12:49] <daven> in my work i'm a technical writer, currently, so i thought i'd hang around ;-)
[12:49] <Burgundavia> ?
[12:50] <Burgundavia> ah
[12:50] <Burgundavia> I was a help desk monkey
[12:50] <froud-work> daven: welcome
[12:50] <Burgundavia> and then I quite
[12:50] <Burgundavia> quit
[12:50] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[12:50] <Burgundavia> cya
[12:50] <froud-work> jsgotangco: cheers
[12:50] <daven> hi, froud-work.
[12:50] <froud-work> daven: you got experience with Docbook
[12:50] <daven> help desks can be stressful, i hear ;-)
[12:50] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:50] <jsgotangco> hi daven, bye daven nice to see you hope you hang out more
[12:51] <daven> nah - the company i work for use dita - i've only been doing the job a few months
[12:51] <Burgundavia> my ex, who wasn't at the time, tells me shoulders were knots
[12:51] <daven> thanks jsgotangco :)
[12:51] <Burgundavia> and I started grinding my teeth
[12:51] <Burgundavia> at night
[12:51] <daven> that doesn't sound healthy ;)
[12:51] <froud-work> daven: DITA you have DITA experience you will get on just fine with Docbook
[12:51] <Burgundavia> nope
[12:53] <daven> cool - hopefully at some point i might try and get involved.  i've thought about contributing before, but i want to make sure i can commit myself first
[12:53] <froud-work> daven: we all dowhat we can
[12:54] <froud-work> daven: therein is the power
[12:54] <daven> :)
[12:55] <froud-work> we could use more technical writers
[12:56] <daven> :)
[12:56] <Burgundavia> bah coffee
[12:57] <froud-work> daven: where r you located
[12:57] <daven> the uk
[12:57] <daven> ah - you can see that from the profile thing
[12:57] <froud-work> ok cool so we in the same time zone
[12:57] <daven> i'm in the south
[12:57] <froud-work> I am in South Africa
[12:57] <daven> wow - i guess so :)
[12:58] <Burgundavia> is 4 am here
[12:58] <froud-work> Burgundavia: is in Canada, but he is not sure which side
[12:58] <daven> hehe
[12:58] <froud-work> So is Flonne 
[12:58] <froud-work> Kinnison: is also in the UK
[12:58] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: works for Canonical
[12:58] <Burgundavia> I got him into this channel
[12:59] <froud-work> and I think mdke is in AU
[12:59] <Burgundavia> I think he is too lazy to remove it from his autojoin
[12:59] <daven> i think it's really cool the way that the internet breaks down geographical barriers
[12:59] <daven> hehe
[01:00] <froud-work> sure, well you are welcome to join our doc effort. Look around and if you have any questions we r here to help
[01:00] <daven> thanks - i appreciate the welcome
[01:02] <froud-work> Burgundavia: nice to see our release notes roaming around the mailing lists
[01:02] <froud-work> lug lists that is
[01:02] <Burgundavia> which lists?
[01:03] <froud-work> the ones in co.za 
[01:03] <froud-work> 
[01:03] <froud-work> Charles Majola
[01:03] <froud-work>  was kind to send it
[01:04] <froud-work> Burgundavia: did you know that the size of the docteam has quadrupled since xmas
[01:04] <Burgundavia> has it
[01:05] <froud-work> yeah
[01:05] <Burgundavia> no wonder I don't recognize most people
[01:05] <froud-work> we are getting old dude
[01:05] <Burgundavia> lol
[01:05] <froud-work> trickie too
[01:05] <Burgundavia> we have lost a lot though
[01:05] <Burgundavia> like plovs
[01:05] <froud-work> hey where is plovs
[01:06] <froud-work> he was cool
[01:06] <froud-work> dont see him these days
[01:06] <Burgundavia> I never saw a goodbye message
[01:06] <Burgundavia> I met him at Mataro
[01:06] <froud-work> me neither
[01:06] <Burgundavia> nice guy
[01:06] <froud-work> very cool
[01:06] <froud-work> geeze I wish enrico would leave amsterdam already
[01:06] <froud-work> I miss him
[01:06] <froud-work> Whhhhaaaaaah!
[01:06] <Burgundavia> what is he doing there?
[01:07] <froud-work> he works for ARPA
[01:07] <Burgundavia> ARPA?
[01:07] <froud-work> some org in Italy
[01:07] <Burgundavia> ah
[01:07] <froud-work> yeah not the dead one
[01:08] <froud-work> anyway back to work
[01:08] <Burgundavia> it is DARPA now
[01:08] <froud-work> yeah
[01:08] <froud-work> well I still have to hack this book I am writing
[01:08] <Burgundavia> http://www.arpa.emr.it/
[01:09] <froud-work> dats it
[01:09] <Burgundavia> hmm
[01:09] <Burgundavia> lots of italian I really don't understand
[01:09] <froud-work> thnk we need to speak to the main boz dude and let him know we need him here more
[01:09] <froud-work> ah lunch arrived
[01:09] <Burgundavia> who?
[01:10] <froud-work> enrico
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ah
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:10] <froud-work> his boss keeps sending him away
[01:11] <froud-work> my backside hurts from so much sitting 
[01:15] <froud-work> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[01:16] <froud-work> oh and the license plate frames
[01:16] <Burgundavia> my ex wanted a thong
[01:17] <froud-work> yeah now that's what I am talking about
[01:19] <froud-work> Love the bib
[01:20] <froud-work> hey Liz 
[01:20] <froud-work> you want an ubuntu thong
[01:20] <froud-work> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[01:21] <froud-work> Every Linux Chick should have one
[01:21] <froud-work> "for humanity"
[01:21] <Liz> heh.i dont like thongs
[01:22] <froud-work> Liz: then a teddy perhaps
[01:22] <Liz> yes...i like the teddys..hehe
[01:22] <Liz> pity they dont have other colours
[01:22] <Liz> white just doesnt suit me
[01:23] <Liz> id use the tote bag
[01:23] <froud-work> Liz: now you're getting picky
[01:23] <Liz> carry my ubuntu discs in it
[01:23] <Liz> ive never like white
[01:23] <Liz> ironic considering its my surname
[01:23] <froud-work> Liz: shopping could be difficult with you .. . need lot sof patience 
[01:23] <Liz> most definitely !
[01:24] <Liz> i hate shopping..lol
[01:24] <Liz> so when i have to do it...im picky as anything
[01:24] <froud-work> My wife too
[01:24] <Burgundavia> shopping is difficult with most women
[01:24] <Liz> or ill buy on impulse
[01:24] <Burgundavia> I think it has to do with wiring in the brain
[01:24] <Burgundavia> and I am not being sexist
[01:24] <froud-work> I have to drag he into the ladies section and buy for her
[01:24] <froud-work> makes for fun in the undies section
[01:24] <Liz> lol
[01:24] <froud-work> I know more about make-up than she does
[01:25] <Liz> mine wouldnt know what to buy if he had to take me there
[01:25] <Liz> good for your wife !
[01:25] <Liz> i dont wear make up either
[01:25] <Liz> and my skin looks and feels younger than most 20 year olds who wear alot
[01:25] <froud-work> Oh nice
[01:25] <Burgundavia> aussie sun is not kind either
[01:25] <Liz> ooh..nice looking wiki
[01:25] <Liz> and the homepage is nice looking too
[01:26] <Liz> i rarely go out in the sun if i can help it
[01:26] <Liz> new zealand is cooler than aussie
[01:26] <daven> if you like to avoid the sun, i recommend the uk
[01:26] <daven> ;-)
[01:26] <Liz> lol
[01:26] <froud-work> Nah cold, give me the African bush
[01:26] <Liz> too much rain for me
[01:27] <froud-work> hot and swetty summer nights
[01:27] <froud-work> slip sliding away ...
[01:28] <Liz> :o
[01:28] <froud-work> work will fix that
[01:28] <froud-work> c ya 
[01:28] <Liz> bye bye
[01:28] <Liz> ooh ooh before you go
[01:28] <Burgundavia> cya
[01:28] <Liz> no..nevermind
[01:28] <Liz> ill post in forums instead..heh
[01:29] <froud-work> what
[01:29] <Burgundavia> now you have piqued my interest
[01:29] <froud-work> yeah me 2
[01:30] <Liz> oh its on hte learning linux site
[01:30] <Liz> its not ubuntu doc stuff
[01:30] <froud-work> sure what about it
[01:30] <Burgundavia> that is fine
[01:30] <Burgundavia> mostly we don;t talk about docs here anyway
[01:31] <Liz> when you open up the course..is there a way to get it to tell you where you were last?
[01:31] <Liz> specially if yu leave before you finish that module
[01:31] <froud-work> Hmm, dunno
[01:31] <froud-work> you mean under moodle
[01:31] <Liz> yes
[01:31] <froud-work> I just do the src
[01:32] <Liz> no worries..thats why i thought id ask in forums instead
[01:32] <froud-work> riaan does the moodle stuff
[01:32] <froud-work> Liz: when you gonna start contrbuting to the LearnLinux src
[01:32] <Liz> ok ill send the query to him then
[01:33] <Liz> contributing how?
[01:33] <froud-work> you can checkout the docbook src
[01:33] <Liz> theres rarely anyone online in there when im on
[01:33] <froud-work> yes quite place
[01:33] <Liz> heh..
[01:33] <froud-work> but if you want the src you can do a checkout via svn
[01:33] <Liz> the local uni has installed debian on their pcs just recently
[01:34] <Liz> ive forwarded the url to some of those interested in learning more ab out linux
[01:34] <froud-work> here is the svn info
[01:34] <froud-work> http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/project/web-svn.html
[01:34] <froud-work> there are loads of bugs that we can fix
[01:35] <Liz> is there?..ill have a look see then
[01:35] <froud-work> Oh and I have a copy of the src in ubuntu-doc svn
[01:35] <Liz> but i dont wanna commit to more than i can handle right now
[01:35] <Liz> and i need to reget allt he ubuntu-doc svn as well
[01:35] <froud-work> small pieces from many does lots
[01:35] <Liz> hmm..good point
[01:36] <froud-work> well I am off to work
[01:36] <froud-work> c ya
[01:36] <daven> ttfn
[01:37] <Liz> bye bye
[01:46] <mdke> hi all
[01:46] <Burgundavia> salut
[01:47] <mdke> hi corey
[01:47] <mdke> how's things?
[01:47] <mdke> hi froud-work 
[01:47] <mdke> whats all this about me being australian?
[01:47] <mdke> shameless lies
[01:48] <froud-work> my mistake you are in NZ
[01:48] <froud-work> I think
[01:48] <daven> noted :)
[01:48] <froud-work> mdke: did I get it right
[01:48] <mdke> i'm in the UK
[01:48] <froud-work> Oh no now Daven has company
[01:48] <Burgundavia> mdke is a proud englishman
[01:48] <Burgundavia> he even has the mold to prove it
[01:48] <mdke> hi daven 
[01:48] <froud-work> mdke: meet daven 
[01:48] <mdke> Burgundavia, heh
[01:49] <Burgundavia> I live on the 'wet coast'
[01:49] <froud-work> so who is it that is in au
[01:49] <mdke> mary and trickie iirc
[01:49] <froud-work> Burgundavia: you see the team has quadrupled
[01:49] <daven> hi mdke
[01:49] <Burgundavia> it did
[01:49] <froud-work> ah yes trickie
[01:50] <mdke> froud-work, hows the build stuff going?
[01:50] <froud-work> tell you tonight
[01:50] <mdke> heh
[01:54] <Liz> im the one from new zealand
[01:54] <Liz> tho i live in australia
[01:54] <Burgundavia> I was about to say
[01:54] <Burgundavia> I wondered when nz became part of NSW
[01:54] <Liz> is that mary from sydney?
[01:55] <mdke> maybe...
[01:55] <mdke> hi Liz
[01:55] <Liz> hi mdke 
[01:55] <Liz> i think it is..marys part of linuxchix..as am i
[01:55] <mdke> yes she is
[01:55] <mdke> i spied on her website
[01:55] <Liz> yep.it was mary who told me about the documentation team for ubuntu
[01:55] <Liz> at the last chix meeting
[01:58] <froud-work> mdke: did you get your commit account sorted yet
[01:59] <mdke> not sure
[01:59] <mdke> froud-work, maybe elmo hasn't had time yet
[01:59] <Burgundavia> elmo has been kind of busy
[01:59] <mdke> lol
[02:00] <mdke> understatement
[02:00] <mdke> OT: does anyone know where current network speed is to be located?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> ?
[02:01] <mdke> i presume it can be found somewhere in /proc or something
[02:01] <Burgundavia> what do you mean network speed?
[02:01] <mdke> netstream[eth0: Receiving 0 B/s, Sending 0 B/s] 
[02:02] <Burgundavia> ah
[02:02] <Burgundavia> what do you want that for?
[02:02] <Burgundavia> graph is a better representation
[02:02] <mdke> someone in #ubuntu-it asked me, he wants to test his lan i guess
[02:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[02:03] <Burgundavia> hmm
[02:03] <mdke> you know a prog?
[02:03] <Burgundavia> he wants to test throughput?
[02:03] <mdke> guess so
[02:03] <Burgundavia> not off hand
[02:04] <Burgundavia> I love WP
[02:04] <Burgundavia> check out todays feature article
[02:04] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[02:05] <mdke> k
[02:05] <mdke> blackadder!
[02:05] <mdke> :)
[02:07] <daven> captain slackbladder?
[02:07] <mdke> heh
[02:59] <Liz> nite all
[03:04] <mdke> my god we need to rethink the wiki helponediting pages
[03:04] <mdke> seems people can't help but destroy the wiki
[04:36] <shadowing> mdke, hi, mister samboc send me to you
[04:36] <mdke> hi shadowing 
[04:36] <mdke> where is sambox
[04:36] <shadowing> mdke, i'm a member of the canadian local team
[04:36] <mdke> samboc
[04:37] <mdke> shadowing, pleased to meet you
[04:37] <mdke> <-- matt
[04:37] <shadowing> mdke, don'T know
[04:37] <shadowing> antoine
[04:37] <mdke> hi
[04:37] <mdke> whassup antoine?
[04:37] <shadowing> i'm here to have some informations about translation
[04:38] <mdke> right
[04:38] <shadowing> mdke, in fact i proposed myself to translate in french the cancadian loco page
[04:38] <mdke> cool
[04:38] <mdke> url?
[04:38] <mdke> gottit
[04:38] <shadowing> that the point
[04:39] <shadowing> i don't have any clues how to do that
[04:39] <shadowing> but i'm ready to learn
[04:39] <mdke> you mean this page: http://www.ubuntu-ca.org?
[04:39] <shadowing> yep
[04:40] <mdke> well that page is probably hosted by sabmoc?
[04:40] <shadowing> and he told me to mention also rosetta ???
[04:40] <mdke> ok i'll explain
[04:40] <mdke> Rosetta is a system of translation which allows users to translate components in ubuntu
[04:40] <shadowing> hum
[04:40] <mdke> its _fairly_ easy, you just log on, choose the relevant package you wish to translate, and go
[04:41] <mdke> translating an independent website is different
[04:41] <shadowing> but ubuntu does have french ?
[04:41] <mdke> ?
[04:41] <shadowing> we're taolking about 2 differents thinks here
[04:41] <shadowing> the website and ubuntu
[04:41] <shadowing> right
[04:41] <mdke> yeah
[04:42] <mdke> ubuntu has french, but there is always more translating to do as things are updated
[04:42] <mdke> as far as the site is concerned, you need to speak to the site administrator
[04:42] <mdke> which i assume is alex
[04:42] <shadowing> ok and how do i know what have to be translate in ubuntu
[04:43] <mdke> rosetta will tell you what is done and what needs to be done
[04:43] <mdke> but the system is fairly young at the moment
[04:43] <shadowing> and where did i find this rosetta
[04:43] <mdke> If you like I will give you the email address of a guy who contributes actively to the french translating team
[04:43] <shadowing> yep
[04:49] <mdke> hang on a tic
[04:50] <mdke> in any case, you can subscribe and ask questions on the ubuntu-translators and rosetta-users mailing list
[04:51] <shadowing> ok
[04:52] <mdke> ok
[04:52] <mdke> paroz@email.ch
[04:52] <mdke> his name is Claude
[04:52] <shadowing> ok
[04:52] <mdke> he can tell you whether there is a french translating team
[04:52] <mdke> as for the canadian website, I think you need to talk with alex about it
[04:53] <shadowing> ok thanks
[04:53] <shadowing> for all
[04:53] <mdke> not a problem
[04:53] <shadowing> i'll try to figure it out what i have to do
[04:53] <mdke> btw
[04:53] <mdke> rosetta is found here:
[04:53] <mdke> http://launchpad.ubuntu.com
[04:53] <mdke> you can use your ubuntu.com login and password
[04:54] <shadowing> ok i'll try
[04:54] <shadowing> bye
[04:55] <mdke> bye :)
[04:55] <mdke> any more questions just come back
[04:59] <mdke> yo
[04:59] <jsgotangco> wassup dawg
[05:00] <mdke> lol
[05:03] <jsgotangco> wow the the main site is so slow
[05:04] <mdke> yeah
[05:04] <mdke> maybe we've been slashdotted
[05:04] <mdke> yep
[05:04] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[05:05] <mdke> from the best-release-name-evar dept.
[05:05] <mdke> lol
[05:05] <jsgotangco> i was at #ubuntu-devel a few hours ago and everyone was there
[05:05] <jsgotangco> it was crazy
[05:05] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:05] <jsgotangco> like it was about  to launch a shuttle
[05:06] <mdke> heh
[05:06] <jsgotangco> Yes, Mr. CEO, we're going with Hoary Hedgehog (Score:4, Funny) 
[05:36] <jsgotangco> arrgghh we're toast..im just going to fix wiki stuff later
[05:36] <mdke> jsgotangco, what's happened?
[05:37] <jsgotangco> its so slow on my side
[05:38] <mdke> yeah here too
[05:38] <mdke> i think ubuntu only has 2 mirrors
[05:40] <jsgotangco> i havent checked the dl link but i hope it had more torrent links
[05:41] <mdke> well torrents don't use mirrors
[05:41] <mdke> i believe
[05:41] <jsgotangco> its more encouraged i believe
[05:41] <Kinnison> Torrents are certainly encouraged
[05:41] <mdke> i would say essential
[05:41] <mdke> hi Kinnison 
[05:42] <Kinnison> hi mdke
[05:52] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:52] <jsgotangco> it would be nice if the release notes for il8n were also available on the site
[05:54] <mdke> good idea
[05:54] <mdke> but there is no multilanguage stuff on the site afaik
[05:55] <mdke> its all on the various ubuntu-xx.org
[05:56] <jsgotangco> hmmm but other big projects like mandriva publish them release notes in different languages in one page or at least a link
[05:56] <jsgotangco> the wiki does have il8n links but not on the main page
[05:56] <jsgotangco> at least for the new release anyway
[05:57] <mdke> yeah i know
[05:58] <mdke> canonical would have to employ about 10 people on the site if they wanted to make it decent imo
[05:58] <jsgotangco> i wouldnt mind hehehe *grin* after all i am uemployed
[05:58] <jsgotangco> i just noticed it thats all
[05:59] <jsgotangco> but then, they were frantically doing finishing touches on the main site
[05:59] <jsgotangco> a few minutes before the official announcement by mdz
[06:00] <jsgotangco> if i remember right sabdfl was the one who edited the announcement at the main page because no one remembered about it
[06:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:00] <mdke> yeah
[06:00] <mdke> as froud said to me the other day
[06:00] <mdke> that's opensource
[06:01] <jsgotangco> hehe charge it to experience were learning
[06:01] <jsgotangco> its fun
[06:02] <mdke> its ok for us to learn
[06:02] <mdke> but the website should be a bit more professional i think
[06:02] <jsgotangco> i agree
[06:02] <mdke> the website bugs don't get assigned/fixed
[06:02] <mdke> maybe it could be raised at the CC or TB meeting 
[06:03] <jsgotangco> i think the whole team should meet onetime before UDU so we can have stuff to present
[06:03] <mdke> well its not really a docteam issue IMO
[06:03] <jsgotangco> true
[06:03] <mdke> the stuff we've discussed on list is of course
[06:03] <mdke> but not this issue
[06:03] <jsgotangco> yah
[06:03] <jsgotangco> just a suggestion
[06:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:03] <mdke> i'll try and raise it at one of those meetings
[06:04] <mdke> see if they think its the appropriate forum
[06:10] <mdke> where are the releasenotes btw jsgotangco ?
[06:12] <jsgotangco> the published one?
[06:12] <mdke> yeah
[06:13] <jsgotangco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view
[06:14] <mdke> you know anything about an xml2html tool?
[06:14] <jsgotangco> no sorry
[06:17] <froud-work> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[06:18] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:18] <froud> hey
[06:18] <mdke> aha
[06:18] <froud> oh oh
[06:18] <mdke> hey boss you know how to convert xml to html?
[06:19] <froud> sure xmlto
[06:19] <froud> you write an xslt
[06:19] <jsgotangco> jeezz wikipedia is fast
[06:19] <mdke> hmm
[06:19] <froud> what type of xml is it
[06:19] <mdke> froud, i was thinking perhaps a conversion without having to do anything
[06:19] <mdke> froud, its releasenotes
[06:19] <froud> docbook
[06:20] <froud> use docbook xsl
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i was just wondering why the i8ln releasenotes not published on the web as well
[06:20] <mdke> right
[06:21] <mdke> do i need docbook-xsl and xmlto?
[06:21] <froud> xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir dirname $(HTMLXSL) quickguide/quick-guide.xml
[06:21] <froud> you want to transform our release notes
[06:21] <froud> or some others
[06:21] <mdke> ours
[06:21] <froud> make rn
[06:22] <froud> you should have docbook dtd, xsl, xsltproc, xmllint installed
[06:22] <froud> in trunk do make rn
[06:22] <froud> then it will do the rest for you
[06:23] <mdke> docbook dtd?
[06:23] <froud> yep
[06:23] <mdke> i can't find it with apt-cache search docbook|grep dtd
[06:23] <froud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ForTheHasty
[06:26] <froud> sudo apt-get install docbook-xsl
[06:26] <mdke> ok i can understand that
[06:26] <froud> sudo apt-get install docbook
[06:26] <jsgotangco> id love to do this later when my head is clear of alcohol
[06:26] <froud> sudo apt-get install xmllint
[06:26] <froud> sudo apt-get install xsltproc
[06:26] <jsgotangco> ill just log :D
[06:27] <mdke> jsgotangco, shame on you
[06:27] <mdke> xmllint?
[06:27] <froud> oh instaled by xsltproc
[06:27] <froud> ignore
[06:27] <mdke> ok i have those
[06:28] <froud> go to trunk
[06:28] <froud> do
[06:28] <froud> make rn
[06:28] <froud> then look in the build/
[06:29] <mdke> cool
[06:29] <mdke> hmm
[06:29] <froud> yeah no need to work hard once it is scripted
[06:29] <mdke> its only made -fr and -xh
[06:29] <froud> release-notes.xml
[06:30] <froud> release-notes.html
[06:30] <froud> it is there
[06:30] <mdke> yes
[06:30] <froud> there you go then
[06:30] <mdke> but it has made the english, french and xhosa version
[06:30] <mdke> not the other languages for some reason
[06:30] <froud> yes
[06:30] <froud> that is what we had at the time
[06:31] <mdke> oh i c
[06:31] <mdke> is it difficult for me to make one manually?
[06:31] <froud> no
[06:32] <mdke> am trying that command you posted
[06:33] <mdke> hmm
[06:33] <mdke> no good
[06:34] <mdke> htmlxsl command not found
[06:35] <froud> svn up in trunk
[06:35] <froud> do make rn
[06:35] <mdke> thanks man
[06:36] <mdke> ok i'm just unlucky
[06:37] <mdke> froud, thanks for doing that
[06:37] <mdke> i am unlucky tho
[06:37] <froud> mdke: no problem
[06:38] <mdke> the italian one doesn't build
[06:38] <mdke> must be an error in the xml
[06:38] <froud> hold lemme check
[06:41] <froud> I am not happy that we never got the translations in
[06:42] <froud> perhaps we can do them as an update
[06:42] <froud> mdke: svn up
[06:42] <froud> do make rn
[06:42] <froud> This is why I am gonna script it all for next release. Fire and forget
[06:42] <froud> too many things to update close to release
[06:43] <mdke> we didn't get the translations in?
[06:43] <mdke> i didn't know that
[06:43] <jsgotangco> huh?
[06:43] <froud> Not they are in
[06:43] <froud> the html
[06:43] <froud> the xml is there
[06:43] <mdke> phewwwwwww
[06:43] <froud> we did not ship html
[06:43] <jsgotangco> you mean the html for the site
[06:43] <mdke> you nearly gave me heart failure
[06:43] <froud> yeah
[06:43] <froud> no all the xml that was in got shipped
[06:43] <jsgotangco> thats what we were talking about before you came back
[06:44] <froud> yeah the html never got shipped
[06:44] <mdke> :)
[06:44] <froud> you have italian now:-)
[06:44] <mdke> yeah thanks :)))
[06:45] <mdke> i'm gonna send around
[06:45] <froud> basically the new build system will not rely on anyone updating the make file
[06:45] <froud> so long as there is an xml it will do it automatically
[06:46] <froud> so as soon as we svn add a po file we will get an xml and html
[06:49] <jsgotangco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI
[06:50] <mdke> ok i need to go
[06:50] <mdke> thanks a million froud 
[06:50] <froud> no worries c ya
[06:50] <mdke> cya soon
[06:57] <jsgotangco> ok im gonna sleep
[06:57] <jsgotangco> see ya
[06:57] <froud> jsgotangco: c ya
[09:49] <hsprang> hy, I'd like to ask, if somebody knows what happend to the howto section on the ubuntu website?