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dholbachok12:01
ograor do you want to test it with all possible ubuntu grub setups  ?12:01
ogra(thats a package that can really fuck your sytem if not working properly)12:01
dholbachyeah maybe it will work with one of those 632.346 installs12:01
ograheh12:03
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dholbachhey Dr_Aevil12:04
dholbachdredg :-)12:04
dholbachogra: it has gone... :-)12:05
ograyeah12:05
dholbachdredg: do you know anything about the status of your PythonTransition packages?12:06
dredgdholbach: all should be taken care of i think12:07
dholbachok... there are still some in "being transitioned"12:07
dredgoh, hmm12:07
dredg mailping, toursst, jaxml are fixed either by me or someone else12:08
dredgblender i had listed as problematic12:09
dholbachhrm... hard to tell from  apt-cache showsrc blender12:09
dredgwow, who killed planet.u.c with the stick of ugly?12:10
dredgdholbach: right, it requires python to build as scons is basically python12:11
dredgit builds in pbuilder12:11
dredgbut on the buildd it fails because of ccache12:12
dredgccache requires $HOME to be set. scons nukes the environment12:12
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dredgchicken. egg. chicken. egg. divide by chicken error.12:12
dredgor something12:12
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dholbach:-)12:13
diamonddredg: hah. look at gcc-2.95.12:17
diamonddredg: it depends on cpp-2.9512:17
diamonddredg: cpp-2.95 depends on, you've guessed it, gcc-2.9512:17
dredgdiamond: that's allowed12:17
diamonddredg: ok, but how?12:17
dredgdiamond: with enough crack anything is possible12:18
dredgplease apply the above egg/chicken formula.12:18
dholbachcompiler-bootstrapping12:18
dredgdiamond: nah, i know it's possible. i just dunno how :)12:18
=== dholbach has some ... german ... lecture notes on that :-)
diamonddholbach: should i just google?12:19
dredgi could probably read german12:19
dredgi think. it's been some time12:19
dholbachif you want to know how it works12:19
dholbachi'll have a look12:19
dredgnot especially :)12:20
dholbachmvo can tell... he knows everything about compilers12:20
Mithrandiruhm, what are you wondering about?12:20
Mithrandirhow to get gcc-2.95 to build?12:21
dholbachgerman info: http://www.inf.fh-dortmund.de/concute/contents/personen/dozenten/buechter/folien/foliensatz.zip :-)12:21
diamondMithrandir: yeah12:22
Mithrandir"don't care" not being an option?12:23
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diamondMithrandir: depending -)12:23
Mithrandirgcc-2.95 is dead upstream and programs should just be ported if they're broken with newer gccs.12:23
diamondMithrandir: i'm inclined to agree, still tho12:23
dredgdholbach: hmm, seems that it's been some time that i've had to read german :) perhaps it will come back to me some other time, when my brain is feeling less mushy and spongey12:24
Mithrandirgcc can be built with more or less any c compiler, it's just a bit of hassle.12:24
dholbach:-)))12:24
diamondMithrandir: aye, but the issue is that it build-deps upon itself. i don't understand why.12:24
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T-Boneme again12:25
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/multipath-tools_0.4.1-1_20050407-1343 <- fails in 'clean' target :P12:25
Mithrandirdiamond: probably because it's broken if you try to build it with any other compiler, 'cause it's broken by itself.12:26
jbaileyajmitch: Apparently nscd is selinux aware.12:29
ajmitch_jbailey: ok.. I'll look that up12:30
jbaileyajmitch_: I just happened to notice it fly by when running configure. =)12:31
janibbl12:31
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T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/torch-examples_2-3_20050407-1218 <- invalid build-dep, expecting libtorch-dev (>= 2.3). Versionned build dep on meta package, bad. Should be libtorch3-dev12:40
dholbachout for a walk.. brb12:40
dholbachT-Bone: torch-examples was removed12:40
T-Bonedholbach: because of the ftbfs maybe? :)12:40
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dholbachT-Bone: because of ETOOMUCHPAIN12:41
dholbachbrb12:41
T-Boneoic ;)12:42
tsengENOMARYJ12:45
tsengjudging from your hackergotchi12:45
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/wnn6-sdk_1.0.0-12_20050407-1249 <- that one might be looking for libwnn6.so.1.0.0 (at the end of the build)12:45
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T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/sprng_2.0a-2_20050407-1215 <- doesn't stop where it should12:48
dholbachtseng: LOL12:49
haggaidholbach: thanks, removed my and Riddell's tasks which are done in PythonTransitionTODO12:50
dholbachhaggai: ROCK12:51
T-Boneare you guys interested in -fPIC issues?12:51
Mithrandiryes12:51
T-Boneoh12:51
T-Boneyou're gonna love me then :)12:51
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/soya_0.9.1-2ubuntu1_20050407-1159 <- -fPIC12:51
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tseng-fPIC affects amd6412:56
tsengso12:56
tsengfix it :)12:56
T-Boneoh sure i will12:56
T-Boneif you grant me clearance to upload fixed packages ;)12:57
T-Boneactually it affects amd64, ia64 and hppa, afaik12:57
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/sagasu_2.0.5-1_20050407-1027 <- want old gnome?12:57
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/ngspice_15-2_20050407-0844 <- broken clean target maybe? binaries left over the place (long log)01:00
T-Bonei have also a bunch of XFree -> Xorg transition bug but i suppose you guys already know them01:01
dholbachT-Bone: which ones? how old is your snapshot?01:02
T-Bonei don't have a snapshot01:02
T-Bonei'm up-to-date with current source tree, update every 3 hours01:03
T-Bone(from a.u.c)01:03
dholbachok01:03
dholbachfire away, which ones01:03
T-Boneright now i'm stumbeling on iris and iterm, as it seems01:03
lamont_rdholbach: there are some packages in the archive that haven't changed since they were built for warty... which means they've only been tried in hoary-test, and that was only partial, etc.01:04
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/iris_0.12-1_20050407-023801:04
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/iterm_0.5-3.1_20050407-024101:04
dholbachlamont_r: yes... can imagine01:04
lamont_rdholbach: those will be the ones that t-bone is hitting that you don't already have01:04
dholbachtake care of those01:05
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/sppc_1.0.1-8.1_20050407-121201:05
dholbachsppc seems not so trivial01:06
T-Bonedholbach: in a general way, if you look at http://buildd.slashdirt.org/FAILED.html ignoring all KDE and mozilla stuff, you should find mostly stuff of interest to you guys01:06
diamondnite folks. ye guys are doing an amazing job01:06
T-Bonethere are a bunch of hppa-centric issues, i'll give them some love ;)01:06
dholbachdiamond: you do too!01:06
dholbachdiamond: sleep tight01:06
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T-Bonedholbach: most of the errors there are X, -fPIC, or general rules borkage; mostly01:07
dholbachcool01:08
T-Boneand per Lathiat's request, mod-gzip should (if i have set it up properly) compress the logs so that you don't have to dl multi-megs files ;)01:08
T-Bonehping3 needs syncing btw01:10
dholbachiris uploaded01:10
dholbachhping3 should have been synced01:10
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/hping3_3.a2-1ubuntu1_20050407-0232 <- FTBFS (endianness issue, doesn't show on debian)01:11
dholbachiterm uploaded01:12
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/xfld-welcome_0.2-3_20050407-1421 <- looks like missing b-dep01:13
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/muscle_3.51-1_20050407-1420 <- utmost sweetness "-mpentiumpro", yum...01:14
dholbachcrimsun, jani: ^-- xfce  stuff01:14
janiyes?01:14
dholbachxfld-welcome01:14
dholbachsppc uploaded01:15
janiI think it's ok we don;t need that package it's not part of xfce core01:15
dholbachjani: shall it be removed?01:16
janiyes01:16
T-Bonei thought we were shipping all of debian main in universe?01:16
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dholbachwiki/UniverseUnmetDeps still has some nice stuff :-)01:24
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/tightvnc_1.2.9-5_20050407-1211 <- most likely a rule issue. says : "To build Xvnc, do "cd Xvnc", followed by "./configure" then "make"", does "(cd Xvnc; /usr/bin/make World)" (lengthy log, issue at the end of course)01:26
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/xmms-alarm-bmp1_0.3.6-0.1_20050407-1224 <- busted source?01:27
T-Bonehttp://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/blacs-mpi_1.1-23_20050407-1241 <- needs libmpich1.0-dev? (long log)01:29
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dholbachxmms-alarm-bmp1 was removed afaik01:31
T-Bonedholbach: ok. Of course, when a package is removed, the log remains, i have to purge them by hand :)01:31
dholbach:-)01:31
T-Bonei see you guys uploaded some stuff, autobuilders has just started :)01:31
T-Bones/has/have/01:31
T-BoneFAILED.hmtl is uploaded every 1/2h, and the 'needs-build' list every 3h, fyi01:32
T-Bonehave fun and keep up the good work, i'm off to bed ;)01:32
ogranight T-Bone01:32
T-Bonethx01:32
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janicrimsun it looks like it was an -Wl,-E after all :)01:36
janiI think it'll work :)01:36
janiactually two, one for xfprint4 one for xfprint-manager01:37
schweebhiya everyone... how's progress on teh universe01:37
dholbachhey schweeb01:37
schweebfinal job interview is tomorrow01:37
schweebyay01:37
dholbachrocking! :-)01:37
=== ajmitch_ wishes he could install ubuntu on this work machine now :(
lamont_rwhy can't you?01:39
ajmitch_because it's a work machine, not one of mine01:39
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=== T-None ducks and goes to bed for good ;)
schweebheh01:40
schweebI have my hoary workstation01:40
schweebs/workstation/laptop01:40
schweeband I have my warty workstation01:41
schweeband like 12 Debian servers01:41
schweebbut soon, I'll be on a Solaris WS ;_;01:41
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lamont_rwhen the boss told me I should leave windows on it (2 weeks after it arrived), I told him it was too late.01:47
janiany MOTU please upload http://sourcecontrol.net/~jmonoses/hoary/xfprint4/01:47
dholbachjani: will do01:47
janifixes xfce print manager hurray!01:47
janiI can go home and sleep now :)01:47
dholbachROCK! :-)01:48
janithanks dholbach, you're an angel (or something ;)01:48
dholbachjani: 300th upload! :-)01:48
dholbachwith all my love to the XFCE crew :-)01:48
janicongrats to the most prolific MOTU the universe has seen!01:48
dholbach:-)))))01:48
schweeblamont_r: doing solaris admin, I kinda need a solaris workstation, sadly enough01:49
ogradholbach, WOOHOOO01:49
ogra\O/01:49
schweebdholbach: man, weren't you up to 200 just like a week and a half ago?01:49
lamont_rschweeb: yeah, well..01:49
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dholbachjani: done01:50
ograschweeb, solaris ?01:50
ograhow sad01:50
janicrimsun, when you read this: thanks for fixing that 'quit' symbol problem :) I don't think I wouldn't have thought to this fix without remembering yours ;)01:50
janithanks daniel01:50
janigoodnight all01:50
dholbachany time :-)01:50
schweebogra: it'll be a challenge, I'll have fun01:50
dholbachsleep tight01:50
ogranight jani01:50
janiI'll have to come to work in the morning01:50
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Riddellabakus is uploaded?01:53
ograyop01:53
dholbachi'll look at gaphor01:53
Riddellwoo01:54
Riddellthanks ogra01:54
Riddelldholbach: nooo!  gaphor sucks, Umbrello rules01:55
dholbachRiddell: what do you think? for how many of the Universe packages do i have REAL LOVE?01:55
Riddelldholbach: could you just make gaphor a meta package which depends on Umbrello?  pretty please?01:56
dholbachRiddell: only if you fix wiki/UniverseUnmetDeps01:56
ograRiddell, btw, how is the kubuntu testing coming along ?01:57
ogra(are we there yet ?)01:57
dholbachRiddell: i could have slapped umbrello in the face six times a day, when i wrote about an uni project :-)01:58
Riddellogra: I think we still need to test the amd CDs01:58
Riddelland not having an AMD64 machine that's kinday hard to do01:58
ogradholbach, you didnt write pure latex in vim ? o_O01:58
dholbachogra: the uml diagrams by umbrello were a bit on crack01:59
ograRiddell, i have no media anymore....and a broken dvd rom that only boots from dvd...01:59
Riddelldholbach: well I never noticed any bugzilla entries from you01:59
dholbachRiddell: that was like 9 months ago01:59
dholbachor even longer02:00
dholbachdia was even more broken :-)02:00
Riddelldia is pretty good, it's just ment for different things02:00
tritiumdia still is broken02:00
Riddelland dia is a work of perfection compated to Kivio :)02:01
Riddellcompared02:01
dholbachi used autodia, which was... i don't find appropriate words for it02:01
dholbachmy feelings towards it were, getting a huge club from somewhere02:02
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dholbachHvels rocks02:03
tritiumit was your recommendation that initiated my search02:04
dholbach:-)02:04
mvoyumm ... hvels02:04
dholbach:-)02:05
dholbachgaphor uploaded02:06
dholbachanybody wants to join me fix the missing bits on UniversePythonTransitionTODO ?02:09
dholbachi have a look at scalemail02:09
dholbachscalemail fixed02:19
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dholbachanyone an idea why http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gaphor/0.5.1-2ubuntu1/gaphor_0.5.1-2ubuntu1_20050408-0139-i386-failed didnt work?02:48
dholbachplayed nicely with my pbuilder02:49
crimsunoh wow, so it was -Wl,-E ? great.02:49
crimsun(thanks dholbach)02:49
dholbachcrimsun: hm?02:49
dholbachfor uploading?02:49
crimsundholbach: yep02:50
dholbachnp :-)02:50
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lamont_rdholbach: nfc02:51
dholbachthat's what i thought02:51
lamont_rdholbach: "because it hateses you"02:51
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ograoh, herzi02:52
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lamont_rdholbach: how'd it do on the other architectures?02:52
dholbachlamont_r: it's an  all  package02:52
dholbachhi herzi02:52
ograherzi, i just uploaded hula, didnt expect you to come back tonight (you forgot to change the distribution from unstable to hoary)02:53
herziogra: i'm on my way to bed02:58
herzibad alcohol...02:58
ograoh02:58
dholbachso you had a release pre-party already :-)02:58
herzikindof02:59
herziweekly bar evening in the students doritory02:59
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herzigood night03:00
dholbachgood night herzi03:00
dholbachany low-hanging fruits in universe?03:02
tritiumHave a good night, everyone.03:03
crimsunnight tritium03:03
dholbachbye tritium03:04
tritiumbye crimsun, dholbach :)03:04
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dholbachhey StoneTable03:12
StoneTablehey03:12
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kikohey dholbach?03:26
kikoduderino..03:29
ograkiko, he probably fell asleep in front of the keyboard.... :)03:30
dholbachhey kiko03:30
kikowooo03:31
kikomdz tells me you have issues with gaphor03:31
kikostill true?03:31
dholbachyes03:31
dholbachhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gaphor/0.5.1-2ubuntu1/gaphor_0.5.1-2ubuntu1_20050408-0139-i386-failed03:31
kikookay03:31
kikoit's a broken pofile03:31
dholbachand i don't have no clue at all03:31
kikowere translations for it recently updated?03:31
dholbachnope03:31
kikoit only happens with boxes with lots of memory :)03:31
dholbachjust grabbed the sources from last build and changed some python2.3 -> python2.4 stuff03:31
dholbacherm03:32
kikocan I see a diff?03:32
dholbachjust a sec03:32
kikodholbach, is there only one pofile there? nl.po?03:32
dholbachyes03:33
ograstrange03:33
dholbach--- gaphor-0.5.1/debian/control03:33
dholbach+++ gaphor-0.5.1/debian/control03:33
dholbach@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@03:33
dholbach Section: devel03:33
dholbach Priority: optional03:33
dholbach Maintainer: Cdric Delfosse <cedric@debian.org>03:33
dholbach-Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), python-dev, python-gtk2, python-diacanvas2, xvfb, xbase-clients, xfonts-base, xsltproc, docbook-xsl+Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>= 4.2.28), python-dev (>= 2.4), python-gtk2, python-diacanvas2, xvfb, xbase-clients, xfonts-base, xsltproc, docbook-xsl03:33
dholbachthat's not really much, hrm? :-)03:33
kikothat's it?!03:33
dholbachyes03:33
dholbachand a changelog entry03:34
kikohmmm03:34
kikoso it's breaking because a very large int is being supplied to struct.pack03:34
kikothis large int is the number of messages in the pofile03:34
kikoI was thinking this broke because of language packs03:34
kikono?03:34
mdzunlikely03:35
mdzlanguage packs haven't affected the process yet at that point03:35
ograthey dont pull strings from universe03:35
mdzheh, that too03:35
ogra(or do they ?? )03:35
kikopushing strings is more relevant here :)03:35
mdzogra: they do not, but even if they did, they only act on the build tree at the end03:35
ograah03:35
kikocan I see the pofile in the tree where the crash happened?03:36
mdzlamont_r might be able to arrange that03:37
dholbachhttp://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/nl.po03:38
mdzif this is due to some regression in python 2.4.1, there will be hell to pay ;-)03:38
mdzdholbach: I thought it didn't fail for you locally?03:38
lamont_rmdz: build dirs all purge automatically - I can go force the issue, but would prefer to drive home first, now that my dvd is done downloading03:38
dholbachmdz: no it didnt, just wanted to supply the pofile in question03:38
mdzI think kiko wanted to be sure it wasn't modified somehow during the build03:38
mdzlamont_r: I'm sure dholbach has other things to keep him busy ;-)03:38
lamont_rheh03:39
kikomdz, right. just sanity check that the pofile is fine -- if it is, then something in the msgfmt.py code is broken, but that's standard python..03:39
lamont_rrunning home now, back online shortly03:39
kikoso I need to roll home too03:39
ograkiko, there is no single utf8 char in the po file03:39
kikoogra, and it's pretty short.03:39
ograyop03:39
dholbachmdz: i collected all the low-hanging fruits in universe it seems :-)03:39
kikoogra, dholbach: I need to run off unfortunately; let me give you a pointer in how to track this down03:39
kikoI suspect the pofile may be corrupt.03:40
kikoif it's not, msgfmt is just being crazy and parsing it wrong03:40
mdzhey03:40
mdzI'm able to reproduce the failure here03:40
mdzI'll do some debugging03:40
kikoit may be that python2.4's included msgfmt.py works and gaphor's included copy is broken03:40
kikomdz, and it's a pristine pofile?03:40
ograonly 10 strings ? must be a small program....03:41
mdzhere's the code in msgfmt.py:03:41
mdz    output = struct.pack("iiiiiii",03:41
mdz                         0x950412de,        # Magic03:41
mdz[...] 03:41
mdz>>> import struct03:42
mdz>>> struct.pack("i", 0x950412de)03:42
mdzTraceback (most recent call last):03:42
mdz  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?03:42
mdzOverflowError: long int too large to convert to int03:42
kikoyeah, same as: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaphor/gaphor/po/nl.po?rev=1.5&view=auto03:42
kikohmm.03:42
mdzI don't think the pofile enters into it at all03:42
kikowhy doesn't that happen for me?03:42
mdzthat value can't be packed as "i"03:42
kikoerr, sorry03:42
kikoerr wait03:42
kikothere's an L missing there03:43
kikooh-oh.03:43
mdzI get the same behaviour everywhere I try03:43
kikothat's the problem :)03:43
kiko   output = struct.pack("Iiiiiii",03:43
kiko                         0x950412deL,       # Magic03:43
kiko                         0,                 # Version03:43
kiko                         len(keys),         # # of entries03:43
kiko                         7*4,               # start of key index03:43
kiko                         7*4+len(keys)*8,   # start of value index03:43
kiko                         0, 0)              # size and offset of hash tabl03:43
kikothat s the code in SVN:03:43
kikohttp://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaphor/gaphor/utils/msgfmt.py?rev=1.3&view=auto03:43
kikocan someone find out where that L went?03:43
mdzwhy is this code part of gaphor anyway?03:43
mdzisn't there a 'pygettext' or such?03:43
kikohoho03:44
mdzconfirm that adding the L fixes the build03:44
kikohttp://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaphor/gaphor/utils/msgfmt.py?r1=1.2&r2=1.303:44
kikothat's why: we're packaging an old version of gaphor.03:44
kikothe more recent version includes a fix03:44
kikointeresting that nobody else caught that one.03:44
kikooh, well -- thought it was a more exciting issue. :)03:44
mdzso this probably broke with python 2.3->2.4?03:45
dholbachi'll try packaging a new one03:45
kikohmm03:45
mdzdholbach: would be simpler  to apply the patch from CVS03:45
kikoaha03:45
ograhmm, doesnt fail here on amd64...03:45
kikoit used to be a futurewarning:03:45
kiko>>> import struct03:45
kiko>>> struct.pack("i", 0x950412de)03:45
kiko<stdin>:1: FutureWarning: hex/oct constants > sys.maxint will return positive values in Python 2.4 and up03:45
kiko'\xde\x12\x04\x95'03:45
kikothat's 2.3.03:45
mdzyep03:45
kikomdz, so yes.03:45
dholbachmdz: we want NEW crack :)03:46
schweebheh03:46
kikomdz, it used to turn into a negative value, which was in itself pretty bad eh?03:46
mdzdholbach: what kind of machine did you do your build on?03:46
dholbachamd6403:46
ograhehe03:46
kikohoho03:46
ograwe're the blessed ones :)03:46
mdzthat still doesn't make much sense03:46
kikoamd64's ints are long ints, aren't they?03:46
mdzint on amd64 is still 32 bits03:46
kikohmmm03:47
kikomaybe python2.4 is rigged to use long ints everywhere on amd64?03:47
mdzat least in C03:47
kikodon't you hate all these different codepaths?03:47
kikoanyway, dholbach, mdz: can I help with anything else?03:48
mdzkiko: you are released, thanks for the help03:48
kikothanks a lot03:48
kikohopefully you'll be released shortly too03:48
dholbachsleep tight kiko03:49
dholbachbuilding new version :-)03:49
lamontdoes that mean you don't need the file?03:51
dholbachok... gaphor-0.7.0.1 makes problems, i'll get the patch from cvs03:53
ograhmm, jani has put nvu on NEW packages and reviewed it himself ??03:54
schweeblol03:54
schweebgg03:54
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dholbachmdz: if you have the time, would you please try to check  http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/packages  if it fails now?04:04
dholbachalthough... i could just upload it and see :-)04:04
mdzdholbach: dpkg-deb: building package `gaphor' in `../gaphor_0.5.1-2ubuntu2_all.deb'.04:05
dholbachNICE04:05
dholbachthanks a lot!04:05
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dholbachuploaded04:06
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ograLOl04:07
ogradholbach, seen daniels on -devel ? we wont run out of transitions ;) he removes /usr/X11R6 in breezy .....04:09
dholbachROCK04:09
ajmitch_good to see04:10
dholbachand i already thought i was jobless04:10
dholbachROCK!04:10
ajmitch_ho long until release?04:10
dholbachogra: try installing hula via dselect/...04:10
ogra2h04:10
dholbachogra: works nice04:10
ajmitch_dholbach: as fast as you work, they can break universe faster ;)04:10
ogradholbach, why the hell sould i touch dselect ?04:10
dholbachajmitch_: we'll see :)04:10
ograshould even04:10
dholbachogra: whatever you like04:11
dholbachnostalgia...04:11
ogra*shudder*04:11
ajmitch_XGl in breezy+1? ;)04:12
ograajmitch_, work on it ;)04:12
dholbachhopefully no wobble-stuff out of the box04:12
dholbachi'll have a constant headache04:13
ajmitch_ogra: i'd just like to be able to use the warty cd I have on my desk here at work :)04:13
ogradholbach, you'll get used to it...people got used to XP, you know ?04:13
dholbachno, honestly i don't know :-) *wobble*04:14
ograajmitch_, start with convincing your boss :)04:14
ajmitch_at least the next server will be ubuntu or debian04:15
ajmitch_currently a RHEL rebuild :)04:16
schweebdholbach: you must be a masochist, using dselect04:16
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dholbachno apt-get.org :'-/04:17
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ogradholbach, still 1,5h04:18
dholbachso what can we break in universe now?04:19
dholbachany suggestions04:19
dholbachi feel restless04:19
schweebdholbach: randomly morgue a package!04:20
schweebsee what the effects are04:20
schweebheh04:20
crimsunwhen is universe/multiverse frozen?04:20
mdzdholbach: no apt-get.org?04:21
ogramdz, i thought elmo did it already...04:21
dholbachmdz: i can see no build in lamont's buildlogs, so i assume the crack won't make it04:21
dholbachschweeb: unfortunately elmo has a nice script telling him the reverse-depends :-)04:21
mdzelmo has ~4 hours to make something happen, and still have 2 hours to allocate for builds04:21
dholbach~4h ?04:22
dholbachthen we're ok :-)04:22
lamontmdz: if it just goes into hoary/universe, it'll just take off after the cron.daily that puts it there04:22
lamontoh. nm04:22
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dholbachlet's add some desktop files!04:24
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crimsunI must go get some coffee04:24
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ogradholbach, yeah, lets have a competition for the ugliest 30sec selfcreated icon and upload them ;)04:29
dholbachhahhahhahaa04:30
dholbachogra: only problem: will take me half an hour to figure out how to work that .desktop file :-)04:30
schweebogra: gotta be SVG though04:31
schweebthat way it can be big AND ugly04:31
ogradholbach, just copy one over, who cares for menu entrys.... only thing that counts is a -desktop ile and a icon ;)04:31
dholbachogra: uuencode it? :-)04:32
ograschweeb, nah, only scanned pencil drawings as greyscale xpm04:32
dholbachhahahahaha04:32
dholbach"nach md kommt bld"04:32
ograyeah04:32
ogradholbach, my day was to bad....i'm allowed to become silly shortly before release04:33
dholbachof course04:33
dholbachlets make a MOTU project: fix gcompris or something else as nasty04:34
schweebeww04:35
ogra*shudder*04:35
dholbachschweeb: you pick one of our lists04:35
dholbach... one package ...04:35
dholbach:-)04:35
schweebhrm?04:35
dholbachi wasnt just talking :-)04:36
ograargh... hula is a novell advertisement...04:36
dholbachogra: there you go: replace the .xpms :-)04:36
ogralol, i doubt these are xpms04:36
dholbach:-)04:37
dholbach*CRY*04:38
dholbachObsidians I'm trying to use grubconf, and it always says "wrong password". What's going on?04:38
ograwhere what who ?04:38
dholbach#ubuntu04:39
ograML ?04:39
ograoh04:39
ogradamned04:39
schweebI stay away from #ubuntu04:40
ograschweeb, you absolutely shouldnt04:40
schweebI don't feel like violating the CoC, which some of the stupidity in there would make me do04:40
dholbachit's a challenge04:40
dholbach:-)04:40
ograschweeb, these are our users, there you get your feedback04:40
schweebI occasionally have a short temper :)04:40
ograand see the bugs04:40
schweebask StoneTable, my fuse is quite short at times04:41
ogra...and sometimes the fixes btw04:41
StoneTableheh04:42
dholbachHA, gaphor built!04:42
schweebI'm not the most patient person to educate people, so, I stay away04:43
schweebI have a low tolerance for idiocy04:43
ograschweeb, i didnt say you should talk on #ubuntu ;)04:43
schweebhehe04:43
StoneTableand that's good for building up that tolerance04:44
schweebalright, next week, I'll be ready to plug away at some more important stuff again :)04:44
schweebanyone know if breezy devel is beginning immediately?04:45
ograwoot, hula runs great04:46
StoneTableThe only word I've heard on that is that breezy should open up sometime after ubuntu down under04:46
schweebahh04:46
schweebso after whip comes back all hyped up04:47
StoneTableyep04:47
schweebhope sabdfl's got something really cool in mind for him04:48
ajmitch_hopefully I'll have some time free after UDU05:00
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dholbachall sleeping? :-)05:46
ogranope05:47
dholbachme nearly05:47
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ograsending myself mail *g*05:47
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dholbach;-)05:47
ajmitch_not sleeping yet :)05:47
ograto late :)05:47
ograalready changed it05:47
schweebI keep forgetting to get myself a hula account05:48
dholbacheverybody have their own hula :-)05:48
schweebI'm too lazy to set it up05:48
ograbut i'm really impressed, it absolutely runs out of the box...no need to tweak anything05:48
schweebI already have a nice mail setup going05:48
ograbut all these novell logos are scary05:49
schweebogra: give me an account :)05:49
ograah, to lazy to fiddle with port forwarding on my router....05:49
schweebheh05:49
schweebI could set up another UML with Hula on my server... but that's a lot of effort too05:50
ograschweeb, but its really only an apt-get ....05:50
schweebI already have a secondary Cyrus/Postfix server going05:50
dholbachschweeb: me too05:50
ogranah, dont use it on a server...05:50
schweebdholbach: I use courier on my current mail server :)05:51
schweebbut I want to switch to Cyrus05:51
schweebI really want to switch work to Cyrus... courier is horrible performance-wise (and I don't trust Dovecot)05:52
dholbachcyrus is ok05:52
schweebit's quite full featured and fast05:53
schweeband hugely hugely scalable05:53
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schweebdholbach: man, you're up pretty late :)05:57
dholbachyeah... i'll drop into bed soon05:58
ograschweeb, in fact its pretty early here ;)05:58
ogra05:5705:58
ajmitch_dholbach: staying up for the release celebrations?05:59
schweebI'm a night owl myself :) 6am = late05:59
dholbachyeah!05:59
schweebalthough I'm about to go to bed06:00
schweeband try to get on a regular sleep schedule06:00
dholbachthat's what i try next :-)06:00
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ajmitch_dholbach: going to take a holiday from release until UDU? you deserve it ;)06:01
schweebdepending on the outcome of tomorrow's interview, I'll be taking a 5 day holiday from work myself :)06:02
dholbachhaha :-)06:04
schweebif you haven't been able to tell, I'm pretty hyped :D06:05
dholbachthanks ajmitch_ :-)06:06
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dholbachpals... i'm off to bed - enjoy the party, i'm too tired to be drinking, cheering and dancing with you - have a nice day, see you later06:18
schweebdholbach: lies!06:18
dholbachhm?06:18
schweebyou can never be too tired for drinking!06:18
ograciao dholbach06:18
dholbach:-))06:18
schweebnight06:18
schweebgute nachten or whatver the proper tense is in german :)06:19
ogra-en06:20
dholbach"Gute Nacht" - so nearly :-)06:20
dholbachthanks06:20
schweebit's been 7 years since HS german class :-)06:20
dholbach:-)06:20
dholbach*wave*06:20
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janimoring09:16
Treenakshi09:56
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kokehi MOTUs!11:02
dredghey koke11:03
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dholbachhey! how are the celebrations going?12:25
janihi dholbach12:28
dholbachhey jani12:28
janimy colleagues are updating their ubuntus at work :)12:29
dholbach*ROCK* :-)12:29
janiI have to convert a gentoo user today, I am dling kubuntu.iso :)12:30
Gervystari have just updated my machines here in the office. And during this weekend we'll be showing ubuntu at a local event here in florence12:33
d3vic3MOTU ROCKS12:42
dholbachYEAH and you, d3vic3, ROCK as well! :-)12:42
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Burgundaviasometime soon I have to start writing my talk as well12:44
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dredgreminds me, must ask some local irish mirrors to sync12:47
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ajmitchhi all01:04
dholbachhey ajmitch01:05
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diamondmorning folks01:39
dholbachhey diamond01:40
dholbach:-)01:40
diamonddholbach: how're things? -)01:40
dholbachdiamond: i'm writing mails to all the apt-get.org package maintainers, whose packages made it in01:40
herzimornin01:43
dholbachherzi: how's your head?01:44
herzimy head's fine, my back aches01:44
dholbachwhy that?01:44
dholbachbbl01:46
diamondrather OT question: what time of the day is it that debian testing gets updated?02:11
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dholbachhrm, shall i also write the apt-get.org guys, whose packages ftbfs?02:38
ogradholbach, come on....take a day off.....02:39
dholbachogra: i want to finish this :-)02:40
dholbachand after that start some hacking on my thesis02:40
ogradholbach, this will never be finished02:40
dholbachneglected it for far too long now02:40
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dholbachogra: a lesson i have yet to learn02:42
ograthats OSS :)02:42
dholbachno, that's life02:42
ograheh02:43
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diamondlaters02:59
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desrtLathiat; word.03:00
desrt:)03:00
Lathiatdesrt: up :)03:01
desrtok.  i've had enough of this universe business.  off to school.03:03
dholbachyou now already have enough? :-)03:03
desrtit just came at a bad time03:04
desrtmy friend is defending his thesis at 10pm (55 minutes).  gonna go watch :)03:04
dholbachalright - have a nice day03:04
dholbachand tell him "good luck" from me03:05
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crimsunmorning, MOTUs :)03:46
ograhey crimsun03:46
dholbachhey crimsun!03:47
crimsunhey ogra, dholbach :)03:47
tritiumhi crimsun03:47
crimsunhi tritium :)03:47
tritiumogra, that's the first I hear of needing 3X ram swap for hibernate.03:48
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tritiumI've had good success with my swap twice the size of my ram03:55
herzimy swap is only the size of my ram and everything works03:56
Mithrandirworks fine for me with 2GB swap and 1.5GB memory03:56
tritiumherzi, including suspend-to-disk?03:56
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ogra_LOL03:56
dredghmm, hibernate... winter *is* coming03:57
Mithrandirwhat's the difference?03:57
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bddebianMorning folks03:58
crimsunmo'n03:58
tritiummorning bddebian03:58
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herziMithrandir: hibernate suspends to ram (which is faster) but still needs some power to keep up the data in the ram04:03
ogra_herzi, nope04:04
herziso please correct me04:04
Mithrandirherzi: I call that suspend-to-ram04:04
ogra_herzi, hibernate suspends to disk04:04
Treenaksogra: suspend-to-ram suspends to ram04:04
ogra_Treenaks, yup04:04
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tritiumdholbach, so what kind of replies are you getting from apt-get.org maintainers?04:39
dholbachall were very surprised04:39
dholbachbut like it so far04:39
dredgdholbach: ping04:39
dholbachpong04:39
tritiumdid you end up using python-matplotlib from the apt-get.org repo?04:39
dholbachtritium: no04:40
dholbachdredg: pong04:40
tritiumdholbach, cool :004:48
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GheRiverores05:04
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fabbionedholbach: ping?05:31
dholbachfabbione: pong05:32
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fabbioneah you are around....05:32
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dholbachwas it just a test? :-)05:32
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p1nheadnow05:33
dholbachwhat's wrong with you? :-)05:33
p1nheaddholbach05:33
dholbachi had enough pain already05:33
p1nheadno.. i would be more warroied of what will be wrong with you soon05:33
p1nheaddholbach: dpkg -p php-banana05:33
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dholbachfabbione: did you sleep the last week? :-)05:34
fabbioneno :)05:35
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dholbachfabbione: wait until i meet you... i'll mud-wrestle you when i'm through with pitti05:35
dholbach;-)05:35
fabbionebut you somehow managed to get elmo to import a package that is php-banana05:35
fabbionephp-banana - foobar05:35
fabbioneFoobar05:35
ograhehe05:35
fabbionethat doesn't really look good :)05:35
dholbachARG05:35
dholbachARG05:35
dholbachARG05:35
ograthe glory of apt-get.org05:35
dholbachbut the maintainer already mailed me05:36
fabbionedholbach: remember that i still have kernel access level to your machine...05:36
dholbachfabbione: i don't care :-)05:36
fabbione+ another 1000 or more source packages05:36
dholbachi'll make sure he'll fix it05:36
fabbioneok05:36
fabbionealso.. let's talk anout haul05:36
fabbioneor hail05:36
fabbioneor whatever is spelled05:36
ograhowl05:36
ograits a svn experimental package05:37
fabbionei had some objections about his Dependency05:37
fabbionebecause they are too strict05:37
dholbachherzi: you're there?05:37
dholbachfabbione: you mean the m-t-a/imap-server ones?05:37
dholbachhahaha, now he left05:37
fabbionedholbach: all the packages have a Dep: ({= Source-Ver})05:37
ograjop, i know.... thats a fix for breezy, i added a warning to the package description05:38
fabbioneor something like that05:38
dholbachfabbione: could you elaborate on what's wrong with that?05:38
ografabbione, it should be a tech preview, for that aspect the package is quite well05:38
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fabbionedholbach: too strict dependencies for no reason05:38
fabbionemaking impossible to update one module only of the pkg05:39
ogradholbach, one security update of one of the libs howl depends on and the package is uninstallale05:39
fabbioneogra: i am not complaining about the package05:39
fabbionethat was very good05:39
dholbachfabbione: if you saw the code you'd want to make sure it's one version only :-)05:39
fabbionethe Dependencies were crap05:39
dholbachi think it's a "security" measure :-)05:39
fabbionedholbach: i wrote the comment on the wiki05:39
dholbachogra: which one?05:40
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dholbachfabbione: i know and i really wanted to talk to herzi to fix it05:40
ografabbione, hey, hit me05:40
ografabbione, i decided it should go in05:40
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dholbachbut he was away and i then talked to miss vogt about the dependencies05:40
dholbachjust to have more opinions05:40
fabbioneok05:40
fabbione ok05:40
fabbioneyou both got some pain05:40
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ograyeah, from you thats fine :)05:41
dholbachfabbione: you now feel better?05:41
fabbionenext time i will power on the sodomotron05:41
dholbachHAHAHAHAHAHAA05:41
fabbionebrb05:41
ograheh05:41
fabbionei need a smoke05:41
dholbachi can imagine05:41
fabbioneogra, dholbach: you own a beer to elmo05:41
ograyeah, UdU will be wet05:41
fabbioneeheh05:42
fabbionegood05:42
dholbachfabbione: yeah... talked to him aout it already05:42
AstralJavaHi guys, how are the release parties going thus far?05:47
dholbachogra: re howl: which one05:49
dholbachAstralJava: going to have a beer with mvo tonight05:49
ogradholbach, dunno...any dep...05:50
dholbachogra: which package?05:50
AstralJavaRight on. Have fun. Release going smoothly?05:50
dholbachAstralJava: seemed so :-)05:50
AstralJavaAt least I'm not getting anything on upgrades. :)05:50
ogradholbach, libssl0.9.7 is a good candidate05:51
ogra(hula-manager)05:51
dholbachwhat was with howl?05:51
ograhowl ?05:52
ograerr----> howl == hula ^^05:52
dholbachogra dholbach, one security update of one of the libs howl depends on and the package is uninstallale05:52
ograyeah, sorry05:52
dholbachall packages will have to be transitioned, if libssl0.9.7 should change05:53
dholbachi don't know what you're talking about? :-)05:53
ogradholbach, they wont....universe is stable05:53
dholbachok, please tell me: what should i worry about?05:54
ograif you have libssl0.9.7.1 nothing needs to change if you have deps >= but it breaks with deps ==05:54
ograso if libssl0.9.7 gets a security update, hula will likely be uninstallable05:55
dholbachshow me, where it depends == on libssl0.9.705:55
dholbachsome binary packages depend on (== ${Source-Version}) of hula's own binary packages05:55
dholbachso it's alright05:56
ograah, ok... then misunderstood fabios comment...05:56
dholbachok05:56
dholbachi thought i had to worry :-)05:56
dholbachphew... ;-)05:56
ograhmm, but if hula itself gets a security update we'll need to update the whole bunch, not only the broken package...05:58
dholbachit's always that way, if you have a source package that has multiple binary packages05:58
dholbachi'm out... see you later guys - and have fun at the parties!06:01
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hervegoooood... morning #motu!07:26
AstralJavaMorning.07:28
AstralJavaAnd congrats!07:28
AstralJava:)07:28
ograhey herve07:29
herve?07:29
hervewell, you too :-)07:29
AstralJavaHehe. :) I just thought it seemed appropriate. :)07:29
AstralJavaI'm just beginning this thing, but you guys sure have done an amazing job.07:30
hervetell that to #u-devel too :-)07:30
AstralJavaI would, but I don't dare go there yet. :)07:31
AstralJavaYou can forward my best wishes. :)07:31
herveho no, there're nice07:31
hervecongrats are welcome, for sure!07:31
AstralJavaWell, I might pop in at least for a while then.07:33
herveno more daily update, I look forward to breezy opening!07:49
AstralJavaWhen is that anyway?07:49
AstralJavaOh, and while on the subject, is Hoary altogether frozen now? I'm thinking about the packages, when I provide ones with correct .desktop entries, will they end up in Breezy?07:51
ograyup07:51
AstralJavaRight on.07:52
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motaboyHi all!08:11
AstralJavaHello motaboy!08:13
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hspranghy!09:38
ograhi hsprang09:38
hervehiya!09:39
hsprangcongratulations to the release! i've not been here since a while - real life and working on the next FAI debian release which will come this weekend, too :)09:40
hsprangfollowed by a ubuntu-FAI release soon :)09:40
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AstralJavahsprang: What's a FAI release, if I may ask?09:42
hsprangAstralJava,  FAI stands for Fully Automatic Installation - a debian package for - nah, you guess it :) - over the network and since the newest version on cd09:43
hsprangAstralJava, http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/  hmm, i wrote a howto page in the ubuntu plone howto center, but the compkete howto section is lost...09:46
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dholbachhey!09:50
hsprangAstralJava, ubuntu-FAI means only a FAI package for ubuntu that can install ubuntu, which the debian-synched package cannot without some tweaking09:51
hsprangdholbach, hy - you missed my gratulation for the release!09:52
dholbachoh... he... thanks :-)09:52
dholbachwe ALL did great work09:53
AstralJavahsprang: Okay thanks, great to hear it's coming! ;)09:55
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dholbachhey herzi10:07
herzihi10:13
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dholbachwoohoo!10:14
dholbachi thought you were about to change the name?10:15
dholbacheasy-as-123.org or something? :-)10:15
herziyep10:15
herzibut spotlight.org is taken, so i need to search for another cool name10:15
siretarthi folks!10:17
=== siretart just installing hoary on amd64 :)
dholbachsiretart: ROCK10:17
siretart:)10:17
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hsprangdoes anybody here know, what happened to the howto section of the ubuntu website?10:37
hsprangi once wrote a howto there, and now it's gone...10:37
dholbachhsprang: argl :-/10:38
sladenhsprang: I think it's down at the moment10:38
dholbachwe had the big WIKI blowup10:38
AstralJavaWiki database broke, what, week ago?10:38
dholbacheverything was reverted to a 3-days-ago--state10:38
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hsprangis it already sure that the data's gone or just possible? or even sure it's there just not shown?10:39
truluxshit... I'm having trouble hre10:40
AstralJavaAFAIK, they're gone.10:40
zombie_Hello everyone, does "hardware-monitor" actually works with Gnome 2.10? I'm getting crashes upon startup10:40
AstralJavaIt does, yes.10:40
AstralJavaNo wait.10:40
hsprangthe howto was in the support-> documentation-> howto section, not excatly in the wiki, but i just see it now looks different than 20 minutes ago...10:40
zombie_I even tried compiling from source, got the same results10:41
zombie_I know it didn't use to work in the past (found it in a message or something)10:41
AstralJavaI'm dl'ing it now.10:42
zombie_fine10:42
zombie_btw, where am I supposed to report bugs in universe?10:42
crimsunmalone10:42
dholbachhttps://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs10:42
crimsun(see topic)10:42
zombie_thanks10:44
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zombie_sorry i had to quit10:51
zombie_AstalJava, did you check that package?10:51
AstralJavaI downloaded and installed it, but I can't find it. :)10:51
crimsunAstralJava: how did you download it?10:51
zombie_I am not sure what you mean10:52
zombie_it's package hardware-monitor10:52
zombie_ah yes10:52
AstralJavaYeah. I just thought it's something else.10:52
zombie_it's a gnome applet10:52
AstralJavaRight.10:52
crimsunjust add the applet to a panel10:52
AstralJavaNope, crashes right away.10:53
zombie_i sent an email to the author10:53
zombie_he says that Ubuntu's package is broken10:53
zombie_but "someone" got it to work by compiling it from source10:53
zombie_i tried it, but din't work10:53
AstralJavaHmm...10:54
zombie_i'll try that again later (after I upgrade everything to the latest version)10:54
AstralJavaDo you have a link to the sources?10:55
zombie_just a moment10:55
crimsunapt-get source hardware-monitor?10:55
zombie_http://www.cs.auc.dk/~olau/hardware-monitor/10:55
crimsunor is pristine upstream necessary?10:56
zombie_http://www.cs.auc.dk/~olau/hardware-monitor/source/hardware-monitor-1.2.1.tar.bz210:56
zombie_I tried both actually10:56
siretarthoary ROCK! finally my front usb ports work!11:00
dholbach:-)))11:00
AstralJavazombie: Going to compile in minutes.11:02
siretartwas really weid, sarge kernel left the ports dead..11:02
zombie_ok11:02
zombie_going to try the compiled from source version11:04
zombie_maybe i'll have to quit gnome after that :-)11:05
siretartWOAH, and even my tvcard was configured correctly. What kind of black magic are the kernel guys doing there? this was supposed to NOT work on my old card!11:05
zombie_ok, it crashed but at least gnome-panel survived (this time)11:06
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dholbachwith UDU, i guess :-)11:09
ajmitchso we've got a 2 week holiday until then?11:10
dholbachwrite some cool code, prepare some packages, upload them to debian, ... :-)11:10
ajmitchtime for me to upgrade my machines to the final hoary release then11:11
ajmitchbbl :)11:13
dholbach*wave*11:13
Mithrandirajmitch: probably over the weekend.11:17
AstralJavaI seem to be out of my head. I do ./configure, it succeeds, I do11:22
AstralJava'make', and it gives me errors. Am I missing something?11:22
crimsunwhat are you trying to compile?11:23
AstralJavahardware-monitor11:24
dholbachgood night pals, i'm off to bed11:24
crimsunbye dholbach!11:24
dholbachbye crimsun11:24
AstralJavabye dholbach11:24
dholbachbye AstralJava11:25
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zombie_well, dependencies probably11:26
AstralJavaDan, I still have that problem with dual booting in an encrypted environment. Sucks really.11:26
crimsunAstralJava: apt-get build-dep hardware-monitor11:26
AstralJavaWoo, yeah, that's probably it. 86 megabytes to download. :)11:28
zombie_oh11:28
AstralJavaHeh.11:29
AstralJavaHave I done something wrong?11:29
crimsun(no)11:29
zombie_sounds too much I think11:29
zombie_but then...11:29
crimsunabsolutely not11:30
AstralJavaWell, my first Ubuntu (real) support case done. :)11:30
crimsunapt-cache depends hardware-monitor11:30
crimsunthat contains _a lot_ of X Window System and GNOME devel packages11:30
AstralJavaI'm on my way heading towards a membership. :)11:30
zombie_:-)11:30
crimsungreat :-)11:30
zombie_I think I'll file a bug report and maybe contact the author again (some other day)11:31
AstralJavaGotta tell you, never ever have I been so enthusiastic about something inside my field of profession.11:31
AstralJavaUbuntu completely turned it for me.11:31
zombie_great11:32
AstralJavazombie: Can ya wait until I get mine compiled?11:32
zombie_of course11:32
zombie_it's better to have this double checked anyway (in case I am doing something wrong)11:32
AstralJavaBy the way, you're not from Australia, are ya?11:32
zombie_no11:33
AstralJava'k.11:33
zombie_i am a .gr guy11:33
AstralJavaThere was this guy on UserFriendly who just used the same nick.11:33
AstralJavaRight on, Greece rocks.11:33
zombie_I see11:33
zombie_heh :-)11:34
AstralJavaGot a very, very good friend in there.11:34
zombie_Really?11:34
AstralJavaKostas lives in Athens nowadays, and will be visiting this next summer again.11:34
zombie_Lucky guy (if you can cut on the expenses)11:35
AstralJavaHEheh. :)11:35
AstralJavaHe's cheap, why else would he be my friend. ;)11:35
zombie_:-)11:35
AstralJavaOkay then, ./configure seems to do much better a job this time.11:37
AstralJava*pout*11:37
AstralJavamake still won't succeed.11:37
zombie_The author says "./configure --prefix=/usr; make; make install" should do it11:38
AstralJavaHang on.11:38
zombie_did you make clean or something?11:38
AstralJavaNo, I untarred it in my /home, then did ./configure11:39
AstralJavaI shouldn't do this, but I'm too tired and didn't read any notes.11:40
AstralJavaCan ya see I'm still wet behind my ears? ;)11:40
zombie_Do you by any chance have another (other than Ubuntu) distro with Gnome 2.10?11:40
AstralJavaNope.11:40
zombie_I think it could be a problem with gnome 2.10 <-> hardware-monitor but i won't know until i try it11:41
zombie_maybe i'll try a warty+hardware-monitor and see what happens (i have a spare partition and too much free time)11:41
AstralJavaHeh, do that. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.11:42
zombie_no problem11:42
AstralJavaStill in my learning phases...11:42
zombie_someone has to matters in his own hands11:42
zombie_I just hoped this someone wouldn't be me! :-)11:42
zombie_anyway thanks for your time11:43
zombie_gotta go now11:43
AstralJavaOk, see ya.11:43
zombie_bye11:43
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tsengyawn11:57
tsengwhen is breezy open11:57
ogratseng, shortly after breezy-backports is up12:01

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