[12:01] <dholbach> ok
[12:01] <ogra> or do you want to test it with all possible ubuntu grub setups  ?
[12:01] <ogra> (thats a package that can really fuck your sytem if not working properly)
[12:01] <dholbach> yeah maybe it will work with one of those 632.346 installs
[12:03] <ogra> heh
[12:04] <dholbach> hey Dr_Aevil
[12:04] <dholbach> dredg :-)
[12:05] <dholbach> ogra: it has gone... :-)
[12:05] <ogra> yeah
[12:06] <dholbach> dredg: do you know anything about the status of your PythonTransition packages?
[12:07] <dredg> dholbach: all should be taken care of i think
[12:07] <dholbach> ok... there are still some in "being transitioned"
[12:07] <dredg> oh, hmm
[12:08] <dredg>  mailping, toursst, jaxml are fixed either by me or someone else
[12:09] <dredg> blender i had listed as problematic
[12:09] <dholbach> hrm... hard to tell from  apt-cache showsrc blender
[12:10] <dredg> wow, who killed planet.u.c with the stick of ugly?
[12:11] <dredg> dholbach: right, it requires python to build as scons is basically python
[12:11] <dredg> it builds in pbuilder
[12:12] <dredg> but on the buildd it fails because of ccache
[12:12] <dredg> ccache requires $HOME to be set. scons nukes the environment
[12:12] <dredg> chicken. egg. chicken. egg. divide by chicken error.
[12:12] <dredg> or something
[12:13] <dholbach> :-)
[12:17] <diamond> dredg: hah. look at gcc-2.95.
[12:17] <diamond> dredg: it depends on cpp-2.95
[12:17] <diamond> dredg: cpp-2.95 depends on, you've guessed it, gcc-2.95
[12:17] <dredg> diamond: that's allowed
[12:17] <diamond> dredg: ok, but how?
[12:18] <dredg> diamond: with enough crack anything is possible
[12:18] <dredg> please apply the above egg/chicken formula.
[12:18] <dholbach> compiler-bootstrapping
[12:18] <dredg> diamond: nah, i know it's possible. i just dunno how :)
[12:19] <diamond> dholbach: should i just google?
[12:19] <dredg> i could probably read german
[12:19] <dredg> i think. it's been some time
[12:19] <dholbach> if you want to know how it works
[12:19] <dholbach> i'll have a look
[12:20] <dredg> not especially :)
[12:20] <dholbach> mvo can tell... he knows everything about compilers
[12:20] <Mithrandir> uhm, what are you wondering about?
[12:21] <Mithrandir> how to get gcc-2.95 to build?
[12:21] <dholbach> german info: http://www.inf.fh-dortmund.de/concute/contents/personen/dozenten/buechter/folien/foliensatz.zip :-)
[12:22] <diamond> Mithrandir: yeah
[12:23] <Mithrandir> "don't care" not being an option?
[12:23] <diamond> Mithrandir: depending -)
[12:23] <Mithrandir> gcc-2.95 is dead upstream and programs should just be ported if they're broken with newer gccs.
[12:23] <diamond> Mithrandir: i'm inclined to agree, still tho
[12:24] <dredg> dholbach: hmm, seems that it's been some time that i've had to read german :) perhaps it will come back to me some other time, when my brain is feeling less mushy and spongey
[12:24] <Mithrandir> gcc can be built with more or less any c compiler, it's just a bit of hassle.
[12:24] <dholbach> :-)))
[12:24] <diamond> Mithrandir: aye, but the issue is that it build-deps upon itself. i don't understand why.
[12:25] <T-Bone> me again
[12:25] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/multipath-tools_0.4.1-1_20050407-1343 <- fails in 'clean' target :P
[12:26] <Mithrandir> diamond: probably because it's broken if you try to build it with any other compiler, 'cause it's broken by itself.
[12:29] <jbailey> ajmitch: Apparently nscd is selinux aware.
[12:30] <ajmitch_> jbailey: ok.. I'll look that up
[12:31] <jbailey> ajmitch_: I just happened to notice it fly by when running configure. =)
[12:31] <jani> bbl
[12:40] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/torch-examples_2-3_20050407-1218 <- invalid build-dep, expecting libtorch-dev (>= 2.3). Versionned build dep on meta package, bad. Should be libtorch3-dev
[12:40] <dholbach> out for a walk.. brb
[12:40] <dholbach> T-Bone: torch-examples was removed
[12:40] <T-Bone> dholbach: because of the ftbfs maybe? :)
[12:41] <dholbach> T-Bone: because of ETOOMUCHPAIN
[12:41] <dholbach> brb
[12:42] <T-Bone> oic ;)
[12:45] <tseng> ENOMARYJ
[12:45] <tseng> judging from your hackergotchi
[12:45] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/wnn6-sdk_1.0.0-12_20050407-1249 <- that one might be looking for libwnn6.so.1.0.0 (at the end of the build)
[12:48] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/sprng_2.0a-2_20050407-1215 <- doesn't stop where it should
[12:49] <dholbach> tseng: LOL
[12:50] <haggai> dholbach: thanks, removed my and Riddell's tasks which are done in PythonTransitionTODO
[12:51] <dholbach> haggai: ROCK
[12:51] <T-Bone> are you guys interested in -fPIC issues?
[12:51] <Mithrandir> yes
[12:51] <T-Bone> oh
[12:51] <T-Bone> you're gonna love me then :)
[12:51] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/soya_0.9.1-2ubuntu1_20050407-1159 <- -fPIC
[12:56] <tseng> -fPIC affects amd64
[12:56] <tseng> so
[12:56] <tseng> fix it :)
[12:56] <T-Bone> oh sure i will
[12:57] <T-Bone> if you grant me clearance to upload fixed packages ;)
[12:57] <T-Bone> actually it affects amd64, ia64 and hppa, afaik
[12:57] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/sagasu_2.0.5-1_20050407-1027 <- want old gnome?
[01:00] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/ngspice_15-2_20050407-0844 <- broken clean target maybe? binaries left over the place (long log)
[01:01] <T-Bone> i have also a bunch of XFree -> Xorg transition bug but i suppose you guys already know them
[01:02] <dholbach> T-Bone: which ones? how old is your snapshot?
[01:02] <T-Bone> i don't have a snapshot
[01:03] <T-Bone> i'm up-to-date with current source tree, update every 3 hours
[01:03] <T-Bone> (from a.u.c)
[01:03] <dholbach> ok
[01:03] <dholbach> fire away, which ones
[01:03] <T-Bone> right now i'm stumbeling on iris and iterm, as it seems
[01:04] <lamont_r> dholbach: there are some packages in the archive that haven't changed since they were built for warty... which means they've only been tried in hoary-test, and that was only partial, etc.
[01:04] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/iris_0.12-1_20050407-0238
[01:04] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/iterm_0.5-3.1_20050407-0241
[01:04] <dholbach> lamont_r: yes... can imagine
[01:04] <lamont_r> dholbach: those will be the ones that t-bone is hitting that you don't already have
[01:05] <dholbach> take care of those
[01:05] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/sppc_1.0.1-8.1_20050407-1212
[01:06] <dholbach> sppc seems not so trivial
[01:06] <T-Bone> dholbach: in a general way, if you look at http://buildd.slashdirt.org/FAILED.html ignoring all KDE and mozilla stuff, you should find mostly stuff of interest to you guys
[01:06] <diamond> nite folks. ye guys are doing an amazing job
[01:06] <T-Bone> there are a bunch of hppa-centric issues, i'll give them some love ;)
[01:06] <dholbach> diamond: you do too!
[01:06] <dholbach> diamond: sleep tight
[01:07] <T-Bone> dholbach: most of the errors there are X, -fPIC, or general rules borkage; mostly
[01:08] <dholbach> cool
[01:08] <T-Bone> and per Lathiat's request, mod-gzip should (if i have set it up properly) compress the logs so that you don't have to dl multi-megs files ;)
[01:10] <T-Bone> hping3 needs syncing btw
[01:10] <dholbach> iris uploaded
[01:10] <dholbach> hping3 should have been synced
[01:11] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/hping3_3.a2-1ubuntu1_20050407-0232 <- FTBFS (endianness issue, doesn't show on debian)
[01:12] <dholbach> iterm uploaded
[01:13] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/xfld-welcome_0.2-3_20050407-1421 <- looks like missing b-dep
[01:14] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/muscle_3.51-1_20050407-1420 <- utmost sweetness "-mpentiumpro", yum...
[01:14] <dholbach> crimsun, jani: ^-- xfce  stuff
[01:14] <jani> yes?
[01:14] <dholbach> xfld-welcome
[01:15] <dholbach> sppc uploaded
[01:15] <jani> I think it's ok we don;t need that package it's not part of xfce core
[01:16] <dholbach> jani: shall it be removed?
[01:16] <jani> yes
[01:16] <T-Bone> i thought we were shipping all of debian main in universe?
[01:24] <dholbach> wiki/UniverseUnmetDeps still has some nice stuff :-)
[01:26] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/tightvnc_1.2.9-5_20050407-1211 <- most likely a rule issue. says : "To build Xvnc, do "cd Xvnc", followed by "./configure" then "make"", does "(cd Xvnc; /usr/bin/make World)" (lengthy log, issue at the end of course)
[01:27] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/xmms-alarm-bmp1_0.3.6-0.1_20050407-1224 <- busted source?
[01:29] <T-Bone> http://buildd.slashdirt.org/logs/mkhppa3/blacs-mpi_1.1-23_20050407-1241 <- needs libmpich1.0-dev? (long log)
[01:31] <dholbach> xmms-alarm-bmp1 was removed afaik
[01:31] <T-Bone> dholbach: ok. Of course, when a package is removed, the log remains, i have to purge them by hand :)
[01:31] <dholbach> :-)
[01:31] <T-Bone> i see you guys uploaded some stuff, autobuilders has just started :)
[01:31] <T-Bone> s/has/have/
[01:32] <T-Bone> FAILED.hmtl is uploaded every 1/2h, and the 'needs-build' list every 3h, fyi
[01:32] <T-Bone> have fun and keep up the good work, i'm off to bed ;)
[01:32] <ogra> night T-Bone
[01:32] <T-Bone> thx
[01:36] <jani> crimsun it looks like it was an -Wl,-E after all :)
[01:36] <jani> I think it'll work :)
[01:37] <jani> actually two, one for xfprint4 one for xfprint-manager
[01:37] <schweeb> hiya everyone... how's progress on teh universe
[01:37] <dholbach> hey schweeb
[01:37] <schweeb> final job interview is tomorrow
[01:37] <schweeb> yay
[01:37] <dholbach> rocking! :-)
[01:39] <lamont_r> why can't you?
[01:39] <ajmitch_> because it's a work machine, not one of mine
[01:40] <schweeb> heh
[01:40] <schweeb> I have my hoary workstation
[01:40] <schweeb> s/workstation/laptop
[01:41] <schweeb> and I have my warty workstation
[01:41] <schweeb> and like 12 Debian servers
[01:41] <schweeb> but soon, I'll be on a Solaris WS ;_;
[01:47] <lamont_r> when the boss told me I should leave windows on it (2 weeks after it arrived), I told him it was too late.
[01:47] <jani> any MOTU please upload http://sourcecontrol.net/~jmonoses/hoary/xfprint4/
[01:47] <dholbach> jani: will do
[01:47] <jani> fixes xfce print manager hurray!
[01:47] <jani> I can go home and sleep now :)
[01:48] <dholbach> ROCK! :-)
[01:48] <jani> thanks dholbach, you're an angel (or something ;)
[01:48] <dholbach> jani: 300th upload! :-)
[01:48] <dholbach> with all my love to the XFCE crew :-)
[01:48] <jani> congrats to the most prolific MOTU the universe has seen!
[01:48] <dholbach> :-)))))
[01:49] <schweeb> lamont_r: doing solaris admin, I kinda need a solaris workstation, sadly enough
[01:49] <ogra> dholbach, WOOHOOO
[01:49] <ogra> \O/
[01:49] <schweeb> dholbach: man, weren't you up to 200 just like a week and a half ago?
[01:49] <lamont_r> schweeb: yeah, well..
[01:50] <dholbach> jani: done
[01:50] <ogra> schweeb, solaris ?
[01:50] <ogra> how sad
[01:50] <jani> crimsun, when you read this: thanks for fixing that 'quit' symbol problem :) I don't think I wouldn't have thought to this fix without remembering yours ;)
[01:50] <jani> thanks daniel
[01:50] <jani> goodnight all
[01:50] <dholbach> any time :-)
[01:50] <schweeb> ogra: it'll be a challenge, I'll have fun
[01:50] <dholbach> sleep tight
[01:50] <ogra> night jani
[01:50] <jani> I'll have to come to work in the morning
[01:53] <Riddell> abakus is uploaded?
[01:53] <ogra> yop
[01:53] <dholbach> i'll look at gaphor
[01:54] <Riddell> woo
[01:54] <Riddell> thanks ogra
[01:55] <Riddell> dholbach: nooo!  gaphor sucks, Umbrello rules
[01:55] <dholbach> Riddell: what do you think? for how many of the Universe packages do i have REAL LOVE?
[01:56] <Riddell> dholbach: could you just make gaphor a meta package which depends on Umbrello?  pretty please?
[01:56] <dholbach> Riddell: only if you fix wiki/UniverseUnmetDeps
[01:57] <ogra> Riddell, btw, how is the kubuntu testing coming along ?
[01:57] <ogra> (are we there yet ?)
[01:58] <dholbach> Riddell: i could have slapped umbrello in the face six times a day, when i wrote about an uni project :-)
[01:58] <Riddell> ogra: I think we still need to test the amd CDs
[01:58] <Riddell> and not having an AMD64 machine that's kinday hard to do
[01:58] <ogra> dholbach, you didnt write pure latex in vim ? o_O
[01:59] <dholbach> ogra: the uml diagrams by umbrello were a bit on crack
[01:59] <ogra> Riddell, i have no media anymore....and a broken dvd rom that only boots from dvd...
[01:59] <Riddell> dholbach: well I never noticed any bugzilla entries from you
[01:59] <dholbach> Riddell: that was like 9 months ago
[02:00] <dholbach> or even longer
[02:00] <dholbach> dia was even more broken :-)
[02:00] <Riddell> dia is pretty good, it's just ment for different things
[02:00] <tritium> dia still is broken
[02:01] <Riddell> and dia is a work of perfection compated to Kivio :)
[02:01] <Riddell> compared
[02:01] <dholbach> i used autodia, which was... i don't find appropriate words for it
[02:02] <dholbach> my feelings towards it were, getting a huge club from somewhere
[02:03] <dholbach> Hvels rocks
[02:04] <tritium> it was your recommendation that initiated my search
[02:04] <dholbach> :-)
[02:04] <mvo> yumm ... hvels
[02:05] <dholbach> :-)
[02:06] <dholbach> gaphor uploaded
[02:09] <dholbach> anybody wants to join me fix the missing bits on UniversePythonTransitionTODO ?
[02:09] <dholbach> i have a look at scalemail
[02:19] <dholbach> scalemail fixed
[02:48] <dholbach> anyone an idea why http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gaphor/0.5.1-2ubuntu1/gaphor_0.5.1-2ubuntu1_20050408-0139-i386-failed didnt work?
[02:49] <dholbach> played nicely with my pbuilder
[02:49] <crimsun> oh wow, so it was -Wl,-E ? great.
[02:49] <crimsun> (thanks dholbach)
[02:49] <dholbach> crimsun: hm?
[02:49] <dholbach> for uploading?
[02:50] <crimsun> dholbach: yep
[02:50] <dholbach> np :-)
[02:51] <lamont_r> dholbach: nfc
[02:51] <dholbach> that's what i thought
[02:51] <lamont_r> dholbach: "because it hateses you"
[02:52] <ogra> oh, herzi
[02:52] <lamont_r> dholbach: how'd it do on the other architectures?
[02:52] <dholbach> lamont_r: it's an  all  package
[02:52] <dholbach> hi herzi
[02:53] <ogra> herzi, i just uploaded hula, didnt expect you to come back tonight (you forgot to change the distribution from unstable to hoary)
[02:58] <herzi> ogra: i'm on my way to bed
[02:58] <herzi> bad alcohol...
[02:58] <ogra> oh
[02:58] <dholbach> so you had a release pre-party already :-)
[02:59] <herzi> kindof
[02:59] <herzi> weekly bar evening in the students doritory
[03:00] <herzi> good night
[03:00] <dholbach> good night herzi
[03:02] <dholbach> any low-hanging fruits in universe?
[03:03] <tritium> Have a good night, everyone.
[03:03] <crimsun> night tritium
[03:04] <dholbach> bye tritium
[03:04] <tritium> bye crimsun, dholbach :)
[03:12] <dholbach> hey StoneTable
[03:12] <StoneTable> hey
[03:26] <kiko> hey dholbach?
[03:29] <kiko> duderino..
[03:30] <ogra> kiko, he probably fell asleep in front of the keyboard.... :)
[03:30] <dholbach> hey kiko
[03:31] <kiko> wooo
[03:31] <kiko> mdz tells me you have issues with gaphor
[03:31] <kiko> still true?
[03:31] <dholbach> yes
[03:31] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gaphor/0.5.1-2ubuntu1/gaphor_0.5.1-2ubuntu1_20050408-0139-i386-failed
[03:31] <kiko> okay
[03:31] <kiko> it's a broken pofile
[03:31] <dholbach> and i don't have no clue at all
[03:31] <kiko> were translations for it recently updated?
[03:31] <dholbach> nope
[03:31] <kiko> it only happens with boxes with lots of memory :)
[03:31] <dholbach> just grabbed the sources from last build and changed some python2.3 -> python2.4 stuff
[03:32] <dholbach> erm
[03:32] <kiko> can I see a diff?
[03:32] <dholbach> just a sec
[03:32] <kiko> dholbach, is there only one pofile there? nl.po?
[03:33] <dholbach> yes
[03:33] <ogra> strange
[03:33] <dholbach> --- gaphor-0.5.1/debian/control
[03:33] <dholbach> +++ gaphor-0.5.1/debian/control
[03:33] <dholbach> @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
[03:33] <dholbach>  Section: devel
[03:33] <dholbach>  Priority: optional
[03:33] <dholbach>  Maintainer: Cdric Delfosse <cedric@debian.org>
[03:33] <dholbach> -Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), python-dev, python-gtk2, python-diacanvas2, xvfb, xbase-clients, xfonts-base, xsltproc, docbook-xsl+Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>= 4.2.28), python-dev (>= 2.4), python-gtk2, python-diacanvas2, xvfb, xbase-clients, xfonts-base, xsltproc, docbook-xsl
[03:33] <dholbach> that's not really much, hrm? :-)
[03:33] <kiko> that's it?!
[03:33] <dholbach> yes
[03:34] <dholbach> and a changelog entry
[03:34] <kiko> hmmm
[03:34] <kiko> so it's breaking because a very large int is being supplied to struct.pack
[03:34] <kiko> this large int is the number of messages in the pofile
[03:34] <kiko> I was thinking this broke because of language packs
[03:34] <kiko> no?
[03:35] <mdz> unlikely
[03:35] <mdz> language packs haven't affected the process yet at that point
[03:35] <ogra> they dont pull strings from universe
[03:35] <mdz> heh, that too
[03:35] <ogra> (or do they ?? )
[03:35] <kiko> pushing strings is more relevant here :)
[03:35] <mdz> ogra: they do not, but even if they did, they only act on the build tree at the end
[03:35] <ogra> ah
[03:36] <kiko> can I see the pofile in the tree where the crash happened?
[03:37] <mdz> lamont_r might be able to arrange that
[03:38] <dholbach> http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/nl.po
[03:38] <mdz> if this is due to some regression in python 2.4.1, there will be hell to pay ;-)
[03:38] <mdz> dholbach: I thought it didn't fail for you locally?
[03:38] <lamont_r> mdz: build dirs all purge automatically - I can go force the issue, but would prefer to drive home first, now that my dvd is done downloading
[03:38] <dholbach> mdz: no it didnt, just wanted to supply the pofile in question
[03:38] <mdz> I think kiko wanted to be sure it wasn't modified somehow during the build
[03:38] <mdz> lamont_r: I'm sure dholbach has other things to keep him busy ;-)
[03:39] <lamont_r> heh
[03:39] <kiko> mdz, right. just sanity check that the pofile is fine -- if it is, then something in the msgfmt.py code is broken, but that's standard python..
[03:39] <lamont_r> running home now, back online shortly
[03:39] <kiko> so I need to roll home too
[03:39] <ogra> kiko, there is no single utf8 char in the po file
[03:39] <kiko> ogra, and it's pretty short.
[03:39] <ogra> yop
[03:39] <dholbach> mdz: i collected all the low-hanging fruits in universe it seems :-)
[03:39] <kiko> ogra, dholbach: I need to run off unfortunately; let me give you a pointer in how to track this down
[03:40] <kiko> I suspect the pofile may be corrupt.
[03:40] <kiko> if it's not, msgfmt is just being crazy and parsing it wrong
[03:40] <mdz> hey
[03:40] <mdz> I'm able to reproduce the failure here
[03:40] <mdz> I'll do some debugging
[03:40] <kiko> it may be that python2.4's included msgfmt.py works and gaphor's included copy is broken
[03:40] <kiko> mdz, and it's a pristine pofile?
[03:41] <ogra> only 10 strings ? must be a small program....
[03:41] <mdz> here's the code in msgfmt.py:
[03:41] <mdz>     output = struct.pack("iiiiiii",
[03:41] <mdz>                          0x950412de,        # Magic
[03:41] <mdz> [...] 
[03:42] <mdz> >>> import struct
[03:42] <mdz> >>> struct.pack("i", 0x950412de)
[03:42] <mdz> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:42] <mdz>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
[03:42] <mdz> OverflowError: long int too large to convert to int
[03:42] <kiko> yeah, same as: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaphor/gaphor/po/nl.po?rev=1.5&view=auto
[03:42] <kiko> hmm.
[03:42] <mdz> I don't think the pofile enters into it at all
[03:42] <kiko> why doesn't that happen for me?
[03:42] <mdz> that value can't be packed as "i"
[03:42] <kiko> err, sorry
[03:42] <kiko> err wait
[03:43] <kiko> there's an L missing there
[03:43] <kiko> oh-oh.
[03:43] <mdz> I get the same behaviour everywhere I try
[03:43] <kiko> that's the problem :)
[03:43] <kiko>    output = struct.pack("Iiiiiii",
[03:43] <kiko>                          0x950412deL,       # Magic
[03:43] <kiko>                          0,                 # Version
[03:43] <kiko>                          len(keys),         # # of entries
[03:43] <kiko>                          7*4,               # start of key index
[03:43] <kiko>                          7*4+len(keys)*8,   # start of value index
[03:43] <kiko>                          0, 0)              # size and offset of hash tabl
[03:43] <kiko> that s the code in SVN:
[03:43] <kiko> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaphor/gaphor/utils/msgfmt.py?rev=1.3&view=auto
[03:43] <kiko> can someone find out where that L went?
[03:43] <mdz> why is this code part of gaphor anyway?
[03:43] <mdz> isn't there a 'pygettext' or such?
[03:44] <kiko> hoho
[03:44] <mdz> confirm that adding the L fixes the build
[03:44] <kiko> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaphor/gaphor/utils/msgfmt.py?r1=1.2&r2=1.3
[03:44] <kiko> that's why: we're packaging an old version of gaphor.
[03:44] <kiko> the more recent version includes a fix
[03:44] <kiko> interesting that nobody else caught that one.
[03:44] <kiko> oh, well -- thought it was a more exciting issue. :)
[03:45] <mdz> so this probably broke with python 2.3->2.4?
[03:45] <dholbach> i'll try packaging a new one
[03:45] <kiko> hmm
[03:45] <mdz> dholbach: would be simpler  to apply the patch from CVS
[03:45] <kiko> aha
[03:45] <ogra> hmm, doesnt fail here on amd64...
[03:45] <kiko> it used to be a futurewarning:
[03:45] <kiko> >>> import struct
[03:45] <kiko> >>> struct.pack("i", 0x950412de)
1: FutureWarning: hex/oct constants > sys.maxint will return positive values in Python 2.4 and up
[03:45] <kiko> '\xde\x12\x04\x95'
[03:45] <kiko> that's 2.3.
[03:45] <mdz> yep
[03:45] <kiko> mdz, so yes.
[03:46] <dholbach> mdz: we want NEW crack :)
[03:46] <schweeb> heh
[03:46] <kiko> mdz, it used to turn into a negative value, which was in itself pretty bad eh?
[03:46] <mdz> dholbach: what kind of machine did you do your build on?
[03:46] <dholbach> amd64
[03:46] <ogra> hehe
[03:46] <kiko> hoho
[03:46] <ogra> we're the blessed ones :)
[03:46] <mdz> that still doesn't make much sense
[03:46] <kiko> amd64's ints are long ints, aren't they?
[03:46] <mdz> int on amd64 is still 32 bits
[03:47] <kiko> hmmm
[03:47] <kiko> maybe python2.4 is rigged to use long ints everywhere on amd64?
[03:47] <mdz> at least in C
[03:47] <kiko> don't you hate all these different codepaths?
[03:48] <kiko> anyway, dholbach, mdz: can I help with anything else?
[03:48] <mdz> kiko: you are released, thanks for the help
[03:48] <kiko> thanks a lot
[03:48] <kiko> hopefully you'll be released shortly too
[03:49] <dholbach> sleep tight kiko
[03:49] <dholbach> building new version :-)
[03:51] <lamont> does that mean you don't need the file?
[03:53] <dholbach> ok... gaphor-0.7.0.1 makes problems, i'll get the patch from cvs
[03:54] <ogra> hmm, jani has put nvu on NEW packages and reviewed it himself ??
[03:54] <schweeb> lol
[03:54] <schweeb> gg
[04:04] <dholbach> mdz: if you have the time, would you please try to check  http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/packages  if it fails now?
[04:04] <dholbach> although... i could just upload it and see :-)
[04:05] <mdz> dholbach: dpkg-deb: building package `gaphor' in `../gaphor_0.5.1-2ubuntu2_all.deb'.
[04:05] <dholbach> NICE
[04:05] <dholbach> thanks a lot!
[04:06] <dholbach> uploaded
[04:07] <ogra> LOl
[04:09] <ogra> dholbach, seen daniels on -devel ? we wont run out of transitions ;) he removes /usr/X11R6 in breezy .....
[04:09] <dholbach> ROCK
[04:10] <ajmitch_> good to see
[04:10] <dholbach> and i already thought i was jobless
[04:10] <dholbach> ROCK!
[04:10] <ajmitch_> ho long until release?
[04:10] <dholbach> ogra: try installing hula via dselect/...
[04:10] <ogra> 2h
[04:10] <dholbach> ogra: works nice
[04:10] <ajmitch_> dholbach: as fast as you work, they can break universe faster ;)
[04:10] <ogra> dholbach, why the hell sould i touch dselect ?
[04:10] <dholbach> ajmitch_: we'll see :)
[04:10] <ogra> should even
[04:11] <dholbach> ogra: whatever you like
[04:11] <dholbach> nostalgia...
[04:11] <ogra> *shudder*
[04:12] <ajmitch_> XGl in breezy+1? ;)
[04:12] <ogra> ajmitch_, work on it ;)
[04:12] <dholbach> hopefully no wobble-stuff out of the box
[04:13] <dholbach> i'll have a constant headache
[04:13] <ajmitch_> ogra: i'd just like to be able to use the warty cd I have on my desk here at work :)
[04:13] <ogra> dholbach, you'll get used to it...people got used to XP, you know ?
[04:14] <dholbach> no, honestly i don't know :-) *wobble*
[04:14] <ogra> ajmitch_, start with convincing your boss :)
[04:15] <ajmitch_> at least the next server will be ubuntu or debian
[04:16] <ajmitch_> currently a RHEL rebuild :)
[04:16] <schweeb> dholbach: you must be a masochist, using dselect
[04:17] <dholbach> no apt-get.org :'-/
[04:18] <ogra> dholbach, still 1,5h
[04:19] <dholbach> so what can we break in universe now?
[04:19] <dholbach> any suggestions
[04:19] <dholbach> i feel restless
[04:20] <schweeb> dholbach: randomly morgue a package!
[04:20] <schweeb> see what the effects are
[04:20] <schweeb> heh
[04:20] <crimsun> when is universe/multiverse frozen?
[04:21] <mdz> dholbach: no apt-get.org?
[04:21] <ogra> mdz, i thought elmo did it already...
[04:21] <dholbach> mdz: i can see no build in lamont's buildlogs, so i assume the crack won't make it
[04:21] <dholbach> schweeb: unfortunately elmo has a nice script telling him the reverse-depends :-)
[04:21] <mdz> elmo has ~4 hours to make something happen, and still have 2 hours to allocate for builds
[04:22] <dholbach> ~4h ?
[04:22] <dholbach> then we're ok :-)
[04:22] <lamont> mdz: if it just goes into hoary/universe, it'll just take off after the cron.daily that puts it there
[04:22] <lamont> oh. nm
[04:24] <dholbach> let's add some desktop files!
[04:24] <crimsun> I must go get some coffee
[04:29] <ogra> dholbach, yeah, lets have a competition for the ugliest 30sec selfcreated icon and upload them ;)
[04:30] <dholbach> hahhahhahaa
[04:30] <dholbach> ogra: only problem: will take me half an hour to figure out how to work that .desktop file :-)
[04:31] <schweeb> ogra: gotta be SVG though
[04:31] <schweeb> that way it can be big AND ugly
[04:31] <ogra> dholbach, just copy one over, who cares for menu entrys.... only thing that counts is a -desktop ile and a icon ;)
[04:32] <dholbach> ogra: uuencode it? :-)
[04:32] <ogra> schweeb, nah, only scanned pencil drawings as greyscale xpm
[04:32] <dholbach> hahahahaha
[04:32] <dholbach> "nach md kommt bld"
[04:32] <ogra> yeah
[04:33] <ogra> dholbach, my day was to bad....i'm allowed to become silly shortly before release
[04:33] <dholbach> of course
[04:34] <dholbach> lets make a MOTU project: fix gcompris or something else as nasty
[04:35] <schweeb> eww
[04:35] <ogra> *shudder*
[04:35] <dholbach> schweeb: you pick one of our lists
[04:35] <dholbach> ... one package ...
[04:35] <dholbach> :-)
[04:35] <schweeb> hrm?
[04:36] <dholbach> i wasnt just talking :-)
[04:36] <ogra> argh... hula is a novell advertisement...
[04:36] <dholbach> ogra: there you go: replace the .xpms :-)
[04:36] <ogra> lol, i doubt these are xpms
[04:37] <dholbach> :-)
[04:38] <dholbach> *CRY*
[04:38] <dholbach> Obsidians I'm trying to use grubconf, and it always says "wrong password". What's going on?
[04:38] <ogra> where what who ?
[04:39] <dholbach> #ubuntu
[04:39] <ogra> ML ?
[04:39] <ogra> oh
[04:39] <ogra> damned
[04:40] <schweeb> I stay away from #ubuntu
[04:40] <ogra> schweeb, you absolutely shouldnt
[04:40] <schweeb> I don't feel like violating the CoC, which some of the stupidity in there would make me do
[04:40] <dholbach> it's a challenge
[04:40] <dholbach> :-)
[04:40] <ogra> schweeb, these are our users, there you get your feedback
[04:40] <schweeb> I occasionally have a short temper :)
[04:40] <ogra> and see the bugs
[04:41] <schweeb> ask StoneTable, my fuse is quite short at times
[04:41] <ogra> ...and sometimes the fixes btw
[04:42] <StoneTable> heh
[04:42] <dholbach> HA, gaphor built!
[04:43] <schweeb> I'm not the most patient person to educate people, so, I stay away
[04:43] <schweeb> I have a low tolerance for idiocy
[04:43] <ogra> schweeb, i didnt say you should talk on #ubuntu ;)
[04:43] <schweeb> hehe
[04:44] <StoneTable> and that's good for building up that tolerance
[04:44] <schweeb> alright, next week, I'll be ready to plug away at some more important stuff again :)
[04:45] <schweeb> anyone know if breezy devel is beginning immediately?
[04:46] <ogra> woot, hula runs great
[04:46] <StoneTable> The only word I've heard on that is that breezy should open up sometime after ubuntu down under
[04:46] <schweeb> ahh
[04:47] <schweeb> so after whip comes back all hyped up
[04:47] <StoneTable> yep
[04:48] <schweeb> hope sabdfl's got something really cool in mind for him
[05:00] <ajmitch_> hopefully I'll have some time free after UDU
[05:46] <dholbach> all sleeping? :-)
[05:47] <ogra> nope
[05:47] <dholbach> me nearly
[05:47] <ogra> sending myself mail *g*
[05:47] <dholbach> ;-)
[05:47] <ajmitch_> not sleeping yet :)
[05:47] <ogra> to late :)
[05:47] <ogra> already changed it
[05:48] <schweeb> I keep forgetting to get myself a hula account
[05:48] <dholbach> everybody have their own hula :-)
[05:48] <schweeb> I'm too lazy to set it up
[05:48] <ogra> but i'm really impressed, it absolutely runs out of the box...no need to tweak anything
[05:48] <schweeb> I already have a nice mail setup going
[05:49] <ogra> but all these novell logos are scary
[05:49] <schweeb> ogra: give me an account :)
[05:49] <ogra> ah, to lazy to fiddle with port forwarding on my router....
[05:49] <schweeb> heh
[05:50] <schweeb> I could set up another UML with Hula on my server... but that's a lot of effort too
[05:50] <ogra> schweeb, but its really only an apt-get ....
[05:50] <schweeb> I already have a secondary Cyrus/Postfix server going
[05:50] <dholbach> schweeb: me too
[05:50] <ogra> nah, dont use it on a server...
[05:51] <schweeb> dholbach: I use courier on my current mail server :)
[05:51] <schweeb> but I want to switch to Cyrus
[05:52] <schweeb> I really want to switch work to Cyrus... courier is horrible performance-wise (and I don't trust Dovecot)
[05:52] <dholbach> cyrus is ok
[05:53] <schweeb> it's quite full featured and fast
[05:53] <schweeb> and hugely hugely scalable
[05:57] <schweeb> dholbach: man, you're up pretty late :)
[05:58] <dholbach> yeah... i'll drop into bed soon
[05:58] <ogra> schweeb, in fact its pretty early here ;)
[05:58] <ogra> 05:57
[05:59] <ajmitch_> dholbach: staying up for the release celebrations?
[05:59] <schweeb> I'm a night owl myself :) 6am = late
[05:59] <dholbach> yeah!
[06:00] <schweeb> although I'm about to go to bed
[06:00] <schweeb> and try to get on a regular sleep schedule
[06:00] <dholbach> that's what i try next :-)
[06:01] <ajmitch_> dholbach: going to take a holiday from release until UDU? you deserve it ;)
[06:02] <schweeb> depending on the outcome of tomorrow's interview, I'll be taking a 5 day holiday from work myself :)
[06:04] <dholbach> haha :-)
[06:05] <schweeb> if you haven't been able to tell, I'm pretty hyped :D
[06:06] <dholbach> thanks ajmitch_ :-)
[06:18] <dholbach> pals... i'm off to bed - enjoy the party, i'm too tired to be drinking, cheering and dancing with you - have a nice day, see you later
[06:18] <schweeb> dholbach: lies!
[06:18] <dholbach> hm?
[06:18] <schweeb> you can never be too tired for drinking!
[06:18] <ogra> ciao dholbach
[06:18] <dholbach> :-))
[06:18] <schweeb> night
[06:19] <schweeb> gute nachten or whatver the proper tense is in german :)
[06:20] <ogra> -en
[06:20] <dholbach> "Gute Nacht" - so nearly :-)
[06:20] <dholbach> thanks
[06:20] <schweeb> it's been 7 years since HS german class :-)
[06:20] <dholbach> :-)
[06:20] <dholbach> *wave*
[09:16] <jani> moring
[09:56] <Treenaks> hi
[11:02] <koke> hi MOTUs!
[11:03] <dredg> hey koke
[12:25] <dholbach> hey! how are the celebrations going?
[12:28] <jani> hi dholbach
[12:28] <dholbach> hey jani
[12:29] <jani> my colleagues are updating their ubuntus at work :)
[12:29] <dholbach> *ROCK* :-)
[12:30] <jani> I have to convert a gentoo user today, I am dling kubuntu.iso :)
[12:33] <Gervystar> i have just updated my machines here in the office. And during this weekend we'll be showing ubuntu at a local event here in florence
[12:42] <d3vic3> MOTU ROCKS
[12:42] <dholbach> YEAH and you, d3vic3, ROCK as well! :-)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> sometime soon I have to start writing my talk as well
[12:47] <dredg> reminds me, must ask some local irish mirrors to sync
[01:04] <ajmitch> hi all
[01:05] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[01:39] <diamond> morning folks
[01:40] <dholbach> hey diamond
[01:40] <dholbach> :-)
[01:40] <diamond> dholbach: how're things? -)
[01:40] <dholbach> diamond: i'm writing mails to all the apt-get.org package maintainers, whose packages made it in
[01:43] <herzi> mornin
[01:44] <dholbach> herzi: how's your head?
[01:44] <herzi> my head's fine, my back aches
[01:44] <dholbach> why that?
[01:46] <dholbach> bbl
[02:11] <diamond> rather OT question: what time of the day is it that debian testing gets updated?
[02:38] <dholbach> hrm, shall i also write the apt-get.org guys, whose packages ftbfs?
[02:39] <ogra> dholbach, come on....take a day off.....
[02:40] <dholbach> ogra: i want to finish this :-)
[02:40] <dholbach> and after that start some hacking on my thesis
[02:40] <ogra> dholbach, this will never be finished
[02:40] <dholbach> neglected it for far too long now
[02:42] <dholbach> ogra: a lesson i have yet to learn
[02:42] <ogra> thats OSS :)
[02:42] <dholbach> no, that's life
[02:43] <ogra> heh
[02:59] <diamond> laters
[03:00] <desrt> Lathiat; word.
[03:00] <desrt> :)
[03:01] <Lathiat> desrt: up :)
[03:03] <desrt> ok.  i've had enough of this universe business.  off to school.
[03:03] <dholbach> you now already have enough? :-)
[03:04] <desrt> it just came at a bad time
[03:04] <desrt> my friend is defending his thesis at 10pm (55 minutes).  gonna go watch :)
[03:04] <dholbach> alright - have a nice day
[03:05] <dholbach> and tell him "good luck" from me
[03:46] <crimsun> morning, MOTUs :)
[03:46] <ogra> hey crimsun
[03:47] <dholbach> hey crimsun!
[03:47] <crimsun> hey ogra, dholbach :)
[03:47] <tritium> hi crimsun
[03:47] <crimsun> hi tritium :)
[03:48] <tritium> ogra, that's the first I hear of needing 3X ram swap for hibernate.
[03:55] <tritium> I've had good success with my swap twice the size of my ram
[03:56] <herzi> my swap is only the size of my ram and everything works
[03:56] <Mithrandir> works fine for me with 2GB swap and 1.5GB memory
[03:56] <tritium> herzi, including suspend-to-disk?
[03:56] <ogra_> LOL
[03:57] <dredg> hmm, hibernate... winter *is* coming
[03:57] <Mithrandir> what's the difference?
[03:58] <bddebian> Morning folks
[03:58] <crimsun> mo'n
[03:58] <tritium> morning bddebian
[04:03] <herzi> Mithrandir: hibernate suspends to ram (which is faster) but still needs some power to keep up the data in the ram
[04:04] <ogra_> herzi, nope
[04:04] <herzi> so please correct me
[04:04] <Mithrandir> herzi: I call that suspend-to-ram
[04:04] <ogra_> herzi, hibernate suspends to disk
[04:04] <Treenaks> ogra: suspend-to-ram suspends to ram
[04:04] <ogra_> Treenaks, yup
[04:39] <tritium> dholbach, so what kind of replies are you getting from apt-get.org maintainers?
[04:39] <dholbach> all were very surprised
[04:39] <dholbach> but like it so far
[04:39] <dredg> dholbach: ping
[04:39] <dholbach> pong
[04:39] <tritium> did you end up using python-matplotlib from the apt-get.org repo?
[04:40] <dholbach> tritium: no
[04:40] <dholbach> dredg: pong
[04:48] <tritium> dholbach, cool :0
[05:04] <GheRivero> res
[05:31] <fabbione> dholbach: ping?
[05:32] <dholbach> fabbione: pong
[05:32] <fabbione> ah you are around....
[05:32] <dholbach> was it just a test? :-)
[05:33] <p1nhead> now
[05:33] <dholbach> what's wrong with you? :-)
[05:33] <p1nhead> dholbach
[05:33] <dholbach> i had enough pain already
[05:33] <p1nhead> no.. i would be more warroied of what will be wrong with you soon
[05:33] <p1nhead> dholbach: dpkg -p php-banana
[05:34] <dholbach> fabbione: did you sleep the last week? :-)
[05:35] <fabbione> no :)
[05:35] <dholbach> fabbione: wait until i meet you... i'll mud-wrestle you when i'm through with pitti
[05:35] <dholbach> ;-)
[05:35] <fabbione> but you somehow managed to get elmo to import a package that is php-banana
[05:35] <fabbione> php-banana - foobar
[05:35] <fabbione> Foobar
[05:35] <ogra> hehe
[05:35] <fabbione> that doesn't really look good :)
[05:35] <dholbach> ARG
[05:35] <dholbach> ARG
[05:35] <dholbach> ARG
[05:35] <ogra> the glory of apt-get.org
[05:36] <dholbach> but the maintainer already mailed me
[05:36] <fabbione> dholbach: remember that i still have kernel access level to your machine...
[05:36] <dholbach> fabbione: i don't care :-)
[05:36] <fabbione> + another 1000 or more source packages
[05:36] <dholbach> i'll make sure he'll fix it
[05:36] <fabbione> ok
[05:36] <fabbione> also.. let's talk anout haul
[05:36] <fabbione> or hail
[05:36] <fabbione> or whatever is spelled
[05:36] <ogra> howl
[05:37] <ogra> its a svn experimental package
[05:37] <fabbione> i had some objections about his Dependency
[05:37] <fabbione> because they are too strict
[05:37] <dholbach> herzi: you're there?
[05:37] <dholbach> fabbione: you mean the m-t-a/imap-server ones?
[05:37] <dholbach> hahaha, now he left
[05:37] <fabbione> dholbach: all the packages have a Dep: ({= Source-Ver})
[05:38] <ogra> jop, i know.... thats a fix for breezy, i added a warning to the package description
[05:38] <fabbione> or something like that
[05:38] <dholbach> fabbione: could you elaborate on what's wrong with that?
[05:38] <ogra> fabbione, it should be a tech preview, for that aspect the package is quite well
[05:38] <fabbione> dholbach: too strict dependencies for no reason
[05:39] <fabbione> making impossible to update one module only of the pkg
[05:39] <ogra> dholbach, one security update of one of the libs howl depends on and the package is uninstallale
[05:39] <fabbione> ogra: i am not complaining about the package
[05:39] <fabbione> that was very good
[05:39] <dholbach> fabbione: if you saw the code you'd want to make sure it's one version only :-)
[05:39] <fabbione> the Dependencies were crap
[05:39] <dholbach> i think it's a "security" measure :-)
[05:39] <fabbione> dholbach: i wrote the comment on the wiki
[05:40] <dholbach> ogra: which one?
[05:40] <dholbach> fabbione: i know and i really wanted to talk to herzi to fix it
[05:40] <ogra> fabbione, hey, hit me
[05:40] <ogra> fabbione, i decided it should go in
[05:40] <dholbach> but he was away and i then talked to miss vogt about the dependencies
[05:40] <dholbach> just to have more opinions
[05:40] <fabbione> ok
[05:40] <fabbione>  ok
[05:40] <fabbione> you both got some pain
[05:41] <ogra> yeah, from you thats fine :)
[05:41] <dholbach> fabbione: you now feel better?
[05:41] <fabbione> next time i will power on the sodomotron
[05:41] <dholbach> HAHAHAHAHAHAA
[05:41] <fabbione> brb
[05:41] <ogra> heh
[05:41] <fabbione> i need a smoke
[05:41] <dholbach> i can imagine
[05:41] <fabbione> ogra, dholbach: you own a beer to elmo
[05:41] <ogra> yeah, UdU will be wet
[05:42] <fabbione> eheh
[05:42] <fabbione> good
[05:42] <dholbach> fabbione: yeah... talked to him aout it already
[05:47] <AstralJava> Hi guys, how are the release parties going thus far?
[05:49] <dholbach> ogra: re howl: which one
[05:49] <dholbach> AstralJava: going to have a beer with mvo tonight
[05:50] <ogra> dholbach, dunno...any dep...
[05:50] <dholbach> ogra: which package?
[05:50] <AstralJava> Right on. Have fun. Release going smoothly?
[05:50] <dholbach> AstralJava: seemed so :-)
[05:50] <AstralJava> At least I'm not getting anything on upgrades. :)
[05:51] <ogra> dholbach, libssl0.9.7 is a good candidate
[05:51] <ogra> (hula-manager)
[05:51] <dholbach> what was with howl?
[05:52] <ogra> howl ?
[05:52] <ogra> err----> howl == hula ^^
[05:52] <dholbach> ogra dholbach, one security update of one of the libs howl depends on and the package is uninstallale
[05:52] <ogra> yeah, sorry
[05:53] <dholbach> all packages will have to be transitioned, if libssl0.9.7 should change
[05:53] <dholbach> i don't know what you're talking about? :-)
[05:53] <ogra> dholbach, they wont....universe is stable
[05:54] <dholbach> ok, please tell me: what should i worry about?
[05:54] <ogra> if you have libssl0.9.7.1 nothing needs to change if you have deps >= but it breaks with deps ==
[05:55] <ogra> so if libssl0.9.7 gets a security update, hula will likely be uninstallable
[05:55] <dholbach> show me, where it depends == on libssl0.9.7
[05:55] <dholbach> some binary packages depend on (== ${Source-Version}) of hula's own binary packages
[05:56] <dholbach> so it's alright
[05:56] <ogra> ah, ok... then misunderstood fabios comment...
[05:56] <dholbach> ok
[05:56] <dholbach> i thought i had to worry :-)
[05:56] <dholbach> phew... ;-)
[05:58] <ogra> hmm, but if hula itself gets a security update we'll need to update the whole bunch, not only the broken package...
[05:58] <dholbach> it's always that way, if you have a source package that has multiple binary packages
[06:01] <dholbach> i'm out... see you later guys - and have fun at the parties!
[07:26] <herve> goooood... morning #motu!
[07:28] <AstralJava> Morning.
[07:28] <AstralJava> And congrats!
[07:28] <AstralJava> :)
[07:29] <ogra> hey herve
[07:29] <herve> ?
[07:29] <herve> well, you too :-)
[07:29] <AstralJava> Hehe. :) I just thought it seemed appropriate. :)
[07:30] <AstralJava> I'm just beginning this thing, but you guys sure have done an amazing job.
[07:30] <herve> tell that to #u-devel too :-)
[07:31] <AstralJava> I would, but I don't dare go there yet. :)
[07:31] <AstralJava> You can forward my best wishes. :)
[07:31] <herve> ho no, there're nice
[07:31] <herve> congrats are welcome, for sure!
[07:33] <AstralJava> Well, I might pop in at least for a while then.
[07:49] <herve> no more daily update, I look forward to breezy opening!
[07:49] <AstralJava> When is that anyway?
[07:51] <AstralJava> Oh, and while on the subject, is Hoary altogether frozen now? I'm thinking about the packages, when I provide ones with correct .desktop entries, will they end up in Breezy?
[07:51] <ogra> yup
[07:52] <AstralJava> Right on.
[08:11] <motaboy> Hi all!
[08:13] <AstralJava> Hello motaboy!
[09:38] <hsprang> hy!
[09:38] <ogra> hi hsprang
[09:39] <herve> hiya!
[09:40] <hsprang> congratulations to the release! i've not been here since a while - real life and working on the next FAI debian release which will come this weekend, too :)
[09:40] <hsprang> followed by a ubuntu-FAI release soon :)
[09:42] <AstralJava> hsprang: What's a FAI release, if I may ask?
[09:43] <hsprang> AstralJava,  FAI stands for Fully Automatic Installation - a debian package for - nah, you guess it :) - over the network and since the newest version on cd
[09:46] <hsprang> AstralJava, http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/  hmm, i wrote a howto page in the ubuntu plone howto center, but the compkete howto section is lost...
[09:50] <dholbach> hey!
[09:51] <hsprang> AstralJava, ubuntu-FAI means only a FAI package for ubuntu that can install ubuntu, which the debian-synched package cannot without some tweaking
[09:52] <hsprang> dholbach, hy - you missed my gratulation for the release!
[09:52] <dholbach> oh... he... thanks :-)
[09:53] <dholbach> we ALL did great work
[09:55] <AstralJava> hsprang: Okay thanks, great to hear it's coming! ;)
[10:07] <dholbach> hey herzi
[10:13] <herzi> hi
[10:14] <dholbach> woohoo!
[10:15] <dholbach> i thought you were about to change the name?
[10:15] <dholbach> easy-as-123.org or something? :-)
[10:15] <herzi> yep
[10:15] <herzi> but spotlight.org is taken, so i need to search for another cool name
[10:17] <siretart> hi folks!
[10:17] <dholbach> siretart: ROCK
[10:17] <siretart> :)
[10:37] <hsprang> does anybody here know, what happened to the howto section of the ubuntu website?
[10:37] <hsprang> i once wrote a howto there, and now it's gone...
[10:38] <dholbach> hsprang: argl :-/
[10:38] <sladen> hsprang: I think it's down at the moment
[10:38] <dholbach> we had the big WIKI blowup
[10:38] <AstralJava> Wiki database broke, what, week ago?
[10:38] <dholbach> everything was reverted to a 3-days-ago--state
[10:39] <hsprang> is it already sure that the data's gone or just possible? or even sure it's there just not shown?
[10:40] <trulux> shit... I'm having trouble hre
[10:40] <AstralJava> AFAIK, they're gone.
[10:40] <zombie_> Hello everyone, does "hardware-monitor" actually works with Gnome 2.10? I'm getting crashes upon startup
[10:40] <AstralJava> It does, yes.
[10:40] <AstralJava> No wait.
[10:40] <hsprang> the howto was in the support-> documentation-> howto section, not excatly in the wiki, but i just see it now looks different than 20 minutes ago...
[10:41] <zombie_> I even tried compiling from source, got the same results
[10:41] <zombie_> I know it didn't use to work in the past (found it in a message or something)
[10:42] <AstralJava> I'm dl'ing it now.
[10:42] <zombie_> fine
[10:42] <zombie_> btw, where am I supposed to report bugs in universe?
[10:42] <crimsun> malone
[10:42] <dholbach> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:42] <crimsun> (see topic)
[10:44] <zombie_> thanks
[10:51] <zombie_> sorry i had to quit
[10:51] <zombie_> AstalJava, did you check that package?
[10:51] <AstralJava> I downloaded and installed it, but I can't find it. :)
[10:51] <crimsun> AstralJava: how did you download it?
[10:52] <zombie_> I am not sure what you mean
[10:52] <zombie_> it's package hardware-monitor
[10:52] <zombie_> ah yes
[10:52] <AstralJava> Yeah. I just thought it's something else.
[10:52] <zombie_> it's a gnome applet
[10:52] <AstralJava> Right.
[10:52] <crimsun> just add the applet to a panel
[10:53] <AstralJava> Nope, crashes right away.
[10:53] <zombie_> i sent an email to the author
[10:53] <zombie_> he says that Ubuntu's package is broken
[10:53] <zombie_> but "someone" got it to work by compiling it from source
[10:53] <zombie_> i tried it, but din't work
[10:54] <AstralJava> Hmm...
[10:54] <zombie_> i'll try that again later (after I upgrade everything to the latest version)
[10:55] <AstralJava> Do you have a link to the sources?
[10:55] <zombie_> just a moment
[10:55] <crimsun> apt-get source hardware-monitor?
[10:55] <zombie_> http://www.cs.auc.dk/~olau/hardware-monitor/
[10:56] <crimsun> or is pristine upstream necessary?
[10:56] <zombie_> http://www.cs.auc.dk/~olau/hardware-monitor/source/hardware-monitor-1.2.1.tar.bz2
[10:56] <zombie_> I tried both actually
[11:00] <siretart> hoary ROCK! finally my front usb ports work!
[11:00] <dholbach> :-)))
[11:02] <AstralJava> zombie: Going to compile in minutes.
[11:02] <siretart> was really weid, sarge kernel left the ports dead..
[11:02] <zombie_> ok
[11:04] <zombie_> going to try the compiled from source version
[11:05] <zombie_> maybe i'll have to quit gnome after that :-)
[11:05] <siretart> WOAH, and even my tvcard was configured correctly. What kind of black magic are the kernel guys doing there? this was supposed to NOT work on my old card!
[11:06] <zombie_> ok, it crashed but at least gnome-panel survived (this time)
[11:09] <dholbach> with UDU, i guess :-)
[11:10] <ajmitch> so we've got a 2 week holiday until then?
[11:10] <dholbach> write some cool code, prepare some packages, upload them to debian, ... :-)
[11:11] <ajmitch> time for me to upgrade my machines to the final hoary release then
[11:13] <ajmitch> bbl :)
[11:13] <dholbach> *wave*
[11:17] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: probably over the weekend.
[11:22] <AstralJava> I seem to be out of my head. I do ./configure, it succeeds, I do
[11:22] <AstralJava> 'make', and it gives me errors. Am I missing something?
[11:23] <crimsun> what are you trying to compile?
[11:24] <AstralJava> hardware-monitor
[11:24] <dholbach> good night pals, i'm off to bed
[11:24] <crimsun> bye dholbach!
[11:24] <dholbach> bye crimsun
[11:24] <AstralJava> bye dholbach
[11:25] <dholbach> bye AstralJava
[11:26] <zombie_> well, dependencies probably
[11:26] <AstralJava> Dan, I still have that problem with dual booting in an encrypted environment. Sucks really.
[11:26] <crimsun> AstralJava: apt-get build-dep hardware-monitor
[11:28] <AstralJava> Woo, yeah, that's probably it. 86 megabytes to download. :)
[11:28] <zombie_> oh
[11:29] <AstralJava> Heh.
[11:29] <AstralJava> Have I done something wrong?
[11:29] <crimsun> (no)
[11:29] <zombie_> sounds too much I think
[11:29] <zombie_> but then...
[11:30] <crimsun> absolutely not
[11:30] <AstralJava> Well, my first Ubuntu (real) support case done. :)
[11:30] <crimsun> apt-cache depends hardware-monitor
[11:30] <crimsun> that contains _a lot_ of X Window System and GNOME devel packages
[11:30] <AstralJava> I'm on my way heading towards a membership. :)
[11:30] <zombie_> :-)
[11:30] <crimsun> great :-)
[11:31] <zombie_> I think I'll file a bug report and maybe contact the author again (some other day)
[11:31] <AstralJava> Gotta tell you, never ever have I been so enthusiastic about something inside my field of profession.
[11:31] <AstralJava> Ubuntu completely turned it for me.
[11:32] <zombie_> great
[11:32] <AstralJava> zombie: Can ya wait until I get mine compiled?
[11:32] <zombie_> of course
[11:32] <zombie_> it's better to have this double checked anyway (in case I am doing something wrong)
[11:32] <AstralJava> By the way, you're not from Australia, are ya?
[11:33] <zombie_> no
[11:33] <AstralJava> 'k.
[11:33] <zombie_> i am a .gr guy
[11:33] <AstralJava> There was this guy on UserFriendly who just used the same nick.
[11:33] <AstralJava> Right on, Greece rocks.
[11:33] <zombie_> I see
[11:34] <zombie_> heh :-)
[11:34] <AstralJava> Got a very, very good friend in there.
[11:34] <zombie_> Really?
[11:34] <AstralJava> Kostas lives in Athens nowadays, and will be visiting this next summer again.
[11:35] <zombie_> Lucky guy (if you can cut on the expenses)
[11:35] <AstralJava> HEheh. :)
[11:35] <AstralJava> He's cheap, why else would he be my friend. ;)
[11:35] <zombie_> :-)
[11:37] <AstralJava> Okay then, ./configure seems to do much better a job this time.
[11:37] <AstralJava> *pout*
[11:37] <AstralJava> make still won't succeed.
[11:38] <zombie_> The author says "./configure --prefix=/usr; make; make install" should do it
[11:38] <AstralJava> Hang on.
[11:38] <zombie_> did you make clean or something?
[11:39] <AstralJava> No, I untarred it in my /home, then did ./configure
[11:40] <AstralJava> I shouldn't do this, but I'm too tired and didn't read any notes.
[11:40] <AstralJava> Can ya see I'm still wet behind my ears? ;)
[11:40] <zombie_> Do you by any chance have another (other than Ubuntu) distro with Gnome 2.10?
[11:40] <AstralJava> Nope.
[11:41] <zombie_> I think it could be a problem with gnome 2.10 <-> hardware-monitor but i won't know until i try it
[11:41] <zombie_> maybe i'll try a warty+hardware-monitor and see what happens (i have a spare partition and too much free time)
[11:42] <AstralJava> Heh, do that. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
[11:42] <zombie_> no problem
[11:42] <AstralJava> Still in my learning phases...
[11:42] <zombie_> someone has to matters in his own hands
[11:42] <zombie_> I just hoped this someone wouldn't be me! :-)
[11:43] <zombie_> anyway thanks for your time
[11:43] <zombie_> gotta go now
[11:43] <AstralJava> Ok, see ya.
[11:43] <zombie_> bye
[11:57] <tseng> yawn
[11:57] <tseng> when is breezy open
[12:01] <ogra> tseng, shortly after breezy-backports is up