[12:00] <gds> It seems that kernel is preconfigured to resume from a partition
[12:01] <gds> How can I set it?
[12:01] <stazich> my mac is 333, os9 worked much more stable and a bit faster.. anyone has any suggestions? i tried installing xfce, helped but not much
[12:01] <apow> lamont_r: thanks i'll take a look
[12:01] <samy> hi
[12:01] <thoreauputic> stazich: maybe fluxbox
[12:01] <gordonjcp> stazich: 333 is fairly slow, Ubuntu has a lot of shineyness
[12:01] <gds> Perhaps it's an operation like rdev... I suppose :-)
[12:01] <stazich> whats the site do you know?
[12:01] <gordonjcp> you might want to turn off a lot of things like anti-aliasing
[12:01] <thoreauputic> fluxbox.org
[12:02] <samy> is here anyone who has an Acer Travelmate 8100 Notebook running with Ubuntu?
[12:02] <gordonjcp> stazich: my G3 266 goes a lot better in OSX with the antialiasing turned off
[12:02] <^thehatsrule^> stazich, 333 is good enough
[12:02] <^thehatsrule^> use flux
[12:02] <borgista> I'm looking for someone who's had luck putting in a GRUB splash background.
[12:03] <samy> hi
[12:03] <borgista> Anyone? Luck w/putting in a GRUB splash background?
[12:04] <InitMass> hasn't released it yet. OMG it's already 00:04 here
[12:04] <InitMass> ;)
[12:04] <borgista> It's 3:04pm Thursday here.
[12:04] <InitMass> haven't they*
[12:04] <borgista> (apr. 7th)
[12:05] <stazich> ok... well another question then... i want to go through basically taking off all the unnecessary parts of the OS, which are now running, in order to increase performance.. does anyone know what to start with? frankly this machine is on my hub just to experiment with and coz i didnt like os9, wanted to truy linux... so im not into services like ftp or anything yet- it is just to be "naked" well.. another question.. actually
[12:05] <stazich> i did want to stream live tv through it.. do you think itl be enough? g3 333 pc 194ram...??
[12:05] <samy> has anyone of you running Ubuntu on a Acer Travelmate 8100?
[12:05] <libben> hmm
[12:05] <\bin\bash> hello everybody
[12:05] <InitMass> borgista, come on i'm sitting on needles
[12:05] <borgista> Is it Friday where you are at?
[12:06] <\bin\bash> :P
[12:06] <stazich> someone suggested i put mplayer on for that... but i mean it isnt just mplayer il need to play ASX format, but also codecs and they take up resources too... anyone gives my situation a chance of success?? i mean i know it has to be optimized, just dunno how
[12:06] <thoreauputic> :D
[12:06] <InitMass> borgista, sweden
[12:06] <InitMass> borgista, yes, it's friday here
[12:06] <\bin\bash> /nick /bin/bash ?
[12:06] <borgista> O.k.
[12:07] <holycow> stazich, well the only thing that take up resources are services/applications that are running
[12:07] <ompaul> it is less than one hour from Friday here :)
[12:07] <Sauron21> hi....could anyone tell me what the command is to run the native bittorrent program on ubuntu??
[12:07] <thoreauputic> \bin\bash: might not work ;)
[12:07] <InitMass> borgista, where are you, south america?
[12:07] <holycow> you don't gain performance by simply removing stuff in linux
[12:07] <\bin\bash> /bin/bash Erroneous Nickname
[12:07] <borgista> I'm in Los Angeles, California.
[12:07] <borgista> USA
[12:07] <\bin\bash> :P
[12:07] <stazich> holycow, do you know off the bat something i can turn off and how to do that?
[12:07] <holycow> you maybe save some space, thats it
[12:07] <InitMass> borgista, spanish speaker?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: btdownloadcurse or something like that
[12:07] <borgista> Yes.
[12:08] <InitMass> borgista, that's why i guessed south am.
[12:08] <holycow> well, one way is to look at /etc/init.d folder and take out what you don't think you need
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: bt something anyway
[12:08] <borgista> Los Angeles is the second biggest Spanish-speaking city in the world.
[12:08] <InitMass> borgista, !
[12:08] <holycow> i'm not sure exactly how far you can cut the autostart stuff before your machine becomes useless for the task
[12:09] <borgista> Los Angeles means "the angels" in spanish.
[12:09] <thoreauputic> \bin\bash: try #!/bin/bash :D
[12:09] <\bin\bash> :D
[12:10] <thoreauputic> \bin\bash: backslashes make me think of *cough* 'that other OS' *cough*
[12:10] <holycow> stazich, obviously  you don't want to have any desktop environment running at all, so if you installed ubuntu on that machine, just taking gdm from the /etc/init.d directory will result in gdm/gnome not starting up at boot
[12:10] <|QuaD-> anyone here an sqlite pro?
[12:10] <ompaul> thoreauputic, stop talking dirty
[12:11] <thoreauputic> fofl @ ompaul
[12:11] <thoreauputic> haha
[12:11] <libben> http://cgi.4chan.org/f/src/elevatordisco.swf
[12:11] <thoreauputic> rofl
[12:12] <InitMass> borgista, yes, i know that. i have studied spanish
[12:12] <MrParker> hey guys
[12:12] <MrParker> Anyone here using Cedega?
[12:12] <stazich> holycow, no i do want desktop to run to watch mplayer tv on net... thats why i am looking for a liter version - xfce or maybe now will try fluxbox.. im talking more about turning off some other background services that eat me up...
[12:12] <huhe> what is the url to the unofficial hoary starter guide ?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> MrParker: no no-one uses it, not even the people who use it ;-)
[12:12] <borgista> There aren't many background services that eat up much in Linux. In Windows there is.
[12:13] <Burgundavia> huhe: www.ubuntuguide.org/temp
[12:13] <holycow> borgista, lol i was about to say that
[12:14] <stazich> lets say a firewall holycow.. is there a firewall or anything running on ubuntu? i am behind one of a dsl router so i would wanna get rid of that if it is present...
[12:14] <stazich> u know if its there?
[12:14] <holycow> lol hahaha
[12:14] <holycow> no firewals on linux don't work like on windows
[12:14] <holycow> yes your kernel is the firewall
[12:14] <borgista> You can apt-get install firestarter ( good firewall) stazich
[12:14] <thoreauputic> stazich: a linux firewall is just iptables script
[12:14] <borgista> Yup.
[12:14] <holycow> via iptables, which is just a set of rules for the kernel
[12:14] <holycow> but that takes up no resources
[12:15] <holycow> and firestarter is just a front end for ip tables
[12:15] <holycow> that takes up no resources
[12:15] <borgista> But it's a nice front-end
[12:15] <holycow> you run it, set some rules and shut it down
[12:15] <holycow> it takes up no resources eitehr
[12:15] <frank> is there anything like packet inspection in linux?
[12:15] <frank> or is it useless
[12:15] <kbrooks> firestarter isnt a daemon
[12:15] <kbrooks> :)
[12:15] <stazich> im not trying to install anything borgista, on the opposite, optimize the system by taking stuff off...
[12:16] <holycow> statefull packet inspection frank? off the top of my head not sure, but you should be able to do that via iptables
[12:16] <borgista> What I'm telling you is that you don't really have to take off much.
[12:16] <thoreauputic> stazich: use light apps and a light window manager
[12:16] <helloyo> does anyone know when we can download hoary final?
[12:16] <borgista> Tomorrow.
[12:16] <holycow> what they said, thats pretty much it
[12:16] <holycow> there is no hidden bullshit in the background eating resources
[12:17] <stazich> trying to...
[12:17] <samy> has anzone of you an Acer Travelmate 8100 Notebook??
[12:17] <thoreauputic> stazich:  http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/lofat.html
[12:17] <scaroo> hi ppl ! i d like to know if the current hoary kernel is inotify-enabled and if yes wich inotify version ?
[12:17] <thoreauputic> stazich: useful hints there
[12:18] <helloyo> whats the time there in the us?
[12:18] <lucychili> greets is it ok to ask about open office on ubuntu questions here?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> stazich: ubuntu doesn't run any services/servers by default
[12:18] <borgista> I'm on the Westside of the US...it's 3:18pm
[12:18] <Brunellus> presently 1818 hours, Eastern Daylight Time
[12:18] <stazich> thx guys il check it out
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Fri Apr  8 08:18:35 EST 2005
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Australia :)
[12:18] <lucychili> me too thoreau
[12:19] <lucychili> 7.49
[12:19] <thoreauputic> lucychili: South Australia?
[12:19] <daven> Thurs 23:19 in the UK and i'm off to bed :)
[12:20] <lucychili> yes sa
[12:20] <thoreauputic> lucychili: heh- a linuxchick! good on ya! :)
[12:20] <lucychili> working with itshare here =)
[12:20] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of setting the default soundcard for ubuntu?
[12:20] <lucychili> http://www.itshare.org.au
[12:21] <lucychili> we are using ubuntu specificlly on our boxes
[12:21] <thoreauputic> lucychili: OK I'll look :)
[12:21] <thoreauputic> lucychili: cool!
[12:21] <lucychili> its an interesting group/project
[12:22] <thoreauputic> lucychili: ah - recycling: how do we get involved?
[12:22] <lucychili> well we do it in sa
[12:22] <thoreauputic> lucychili: is there a NSW equivalent?
[12:22] <lucychili> there are probably groups in your state doing similar refurbishment
[12:22] <lucychili> yes
[12:22] <holycow> lucychili, very cool :)
[12:22] <lucychili> sydney is just getting back on its feet
[12:22] <lucychili> computerbank
[12:22] <spanglesontoast> yea I nick computers from our school from time to time
[12:23] <thoreauputic> great to hear you're using Ubuntu :)
[12:23] <lucychili> but there are hunter valley and aother regional ones doing well
[12:23] <lucychili> its good
[12:23] <lucychili> we are aiming to do community organisations
[12:23] <Brunellus> sorry to jump in on this;  so the local gov't is recycling computers using ubuntu?
[12:23] <lucychili> with training and a support plan to get them independent
[12:23] <lucychili> no we are a volunteer group
[12:24] <lucychili> we do use work for the dole programs to help us with processing and rent
[12:24] <Brunellus> oh, ok
[12:24] <Brunellus> it's pretty neat.
[12:24] <MrParker> Anyone here use Cedega?
[12:24] <Brunellus> I wish I were more technical, & did stuff like that
[12:24] <lucychili> we have put a lan into the Hut community centre in Aldgate and are through level 1 support training and starting level 2
[12:24] <lucychili> brunellus im a graphic designer
[12:24] <lucychili> im not a tech thug
[12:25] <lucychili> thats why ubuntu is nice
[12:25] <lucychili> its very accessible
[12:25] <SysFail> something wrong with tech thugs?
[12:25] <lucychili> nope
[12:25] <lucychili> not at all
[12:25] <cjdavis> hi all; I need some help -- does anybody have a pointer to info on runing macromedia flash with amd64? i figured its a faq, but i cant find it
[12:25] <thoreauputic> lucychili: hehe - tech thugs are we?
[12:25] <lucychili> =)
[12:25] <lucychili> my hubby is
[12:25] <MrParker> No one?
[12:25] <lucychili> =)
[12:25] <MrParker> :P I feel no love
[12:26] <Brunellus> tech thug, eheheh.
[12:26] <SysFail> i wanted to try that Parker
[12:26] <MrParker> I had it working
[12:26] <lucychili> there are tech thuggies in itshare
[12:26] <MrParker> then out of nowhere my textures started messing up
[12:26] <SysFail> does it work at all?
[12:26] <lucychili> im just not one of them
[12:26] <MrParker> oh when it works, it works great
[12:26] <MrParker> I'm just trying to figure out why I get no textures at all
[12:26] <Brunellus> what I wish I could get a hand in would be to help someone get a fat server/thin-client network runnign with ubuntu
[12:26] <Brunellus> and LTSP
[12:26] <bolamix> hello all
[12:26] <Brunellus> would be cool for  a school
[12:27] <thingy> umm...I thought there was going to be a new release sometime this week....does anyone know what happened and when its going to get released?
[12:27] <bolamix> quick question please: what is the command to undo a symbolic link?
[12:27] <bolamix> the opposite of ln in fact
[12:27] <MrParker> release is tomorrow
[12:28] <thingy> MrParker: it got moved from the 6th?
[12:28] <lucychili> brunellus the hut lan is gnome but not ubuntu specifically but is thin install. the individual recip boxes we are doing are ubuntu and we are giving cds to the hut for them to swap over their home boxes to be consistent with their work ones.
[12:28] <Brunellus> lucychili:  that's awesome.
[12:28] <Brunellus> i'd pop in and give you a hand/learn a thing or two
[12:28] <jasp> bolamix: just use rm to remove a symlink
[12:28] <ompaul> bolamix, rm
[12:28] <Brunellus> but I'm on the wrong continent!
[12:29] <bolamix> cool, thx ompaul :)
[12:29] <jasp> yes the same cmd you use to delete files
[12:29] <MrParker> thingy: thats what I read
[12:29] <lucychili> only problems we have had are about getting a server on a thin install to negotiate with peripherals on a client box. not a usual requirement on a thin network but something we needed here
[12:29] <thingy> MrParker: ok thanx
[12:30] <SysFail> so tomorrow we can run synaptic and upgrade...and be at release?
[12:30] <lucychili> weve done it but its been a bit icky
[12:30] <ompaul> SysFail, or you can use apt-get
[12:31] <SysFail> cause i sure as hell dont wanna do another install
[12:31] <SysFail> heh
[12:31] <ompaul> lucychili, was it documented?
[12:31] <lucychili> which bit
[12:31] <ompaul> the peripherals
[12:31] <lucychili> we could
[12:31] <lucychili> he made it a sep volume
[12:31] <lucychili> you mount and unmount with login
[12:31] <darkkyo> the final version of ubuntu hoary come today?
[12:32] <lucychili> it is bound to specific user accounts
[12:32] <ompaul> hmm
[12:32] <borgista> yes darkkyo
[12:32] <lucychili> ill chat to pete and invite him here if you like =)
[12:33] <membreya> anyone else getting error messages when trying to do a sudo apt-get update?
[12:33] <darkkyo> borgista: iis not on the www.ubuntulinux.org for the moment
[12:34] <ompaul> membreya, I got my upgrade a few minutes ago
[12:34] <lucychili> is there a channel i should try to find out about printing from open office mail merges?
[12:34] <ompaul> 49% [138 kdeartwork-misc 3147783/3419kB 92%]                      106kB/s 12m47s <--- just adding a little more to the box
[12:34] <membreya> ompaul: I'm getting http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[12:35] <MrParker> I am a pirate
[12:35] <MrParker> YARRR
[12:35] <pill> hello, I am having some problem with music players
[12:35] <^thehatsrule^> xmms!
[12:35] <borgista> what's your problem pill?
[12:35] <pill> I can't play any mp3 because there is no plugin ..
[12:35] <xvlun> wxMusik!
[12:35] <MrParker> no way
[12:35] <SysFail> use xmms
[12:35] <MrParker> I'm the pirate
[12:35] <MrParker> you walk the plank
[12:35] <MrParker> Can anyone suggest an mp3 player to me?
[12:36] <xvlun> pill read the restricted formats howto
[12:36] <SysFail> xmms
[12:36] <borgista> XMMS is my favorite MrParker
[12:36] <ompaul> membreya, I was able to read it in the browser
[12:36] <SysFail> me too
[12:36] <kro> three cheers for xmms
[12:36] <MrParker> many thanks
[12:36] <ompaul> hip hip
[12:36] <eruin> rhythmbox is divine
[12:36] <pill> I just installed XMMS, haven't try it yet
[12:36] <MrParker> I'm installing right now
[12:36] <borgista> some folks like rhythmbox a lot, sometimes called "music player"
[12:36] <MrParker> I <3 synaptic
[12:36] <garrut> i use mpd so my colleagues can edit the playlist too :)
[12:36] <kro> Speaking of playing music, is there anything equivalent to a program call cthuga?
[12:36] <membreya> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[12:36] <membreya> ompaul:
[12:36] <xvlun> xmms is grap, rb is better but wxMusik is even better
[12:36] <membreya> that's what I'm getting
[12:37] <pill> "Music Player" does not play, Gnomp3 does not play
[12:37] <SysFail> wxmusik?
[12:37] <theine> pill: if you'd like to play mp3's in rhythmbox you can install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[12:37] <pill> btw, my music is on a fat32 disc
[12:37] <borgista> then try XMMS pi
[12:37] <borgista> pill*
[12:37] <MrParker> brb
[12:37] <pill> theine, great info, I will try
[12:37] <ompaul> membreya, I will do it in a moment - I am downloading half the internet atm :)(
[12:37] <xvlun> pill, "restricted formats" -> apt-get gstreamer-mad
[12:37] <theine> pill: it's in the universe repository
[12:38] <pill> xvlun, thanks..
[12:38] <MrParker> XMMS for the win
[12:38] <MrParker> Yes to having music again
[12:38] <nooneyouknow> sorry, i almost forgot...
[12:38] <nooneyouknow> what do you lot think of the mon situation?
[12:39] <nooneyouknow> that should be "mono"
[12:39] <MrParker> mono situation?
[12:39] <lucychili> i prefer two wheels myself
[12:39] <pussfeller> garrut, u got mpd working with musepack?
[12:39] <Burgundavia> I am not a real fan of sickness myself
[12:39] <nooneyouknow> sorry, wrong channel.
[12:39] <garrut> pussfeller: i have no idea what musepack is.. :)
[12:40] <nooneyouknow> i meant mono situation as in the possible patent trap.
[12:40] <MrParker> are binary video card drivers bad?
[12:40] <MrParker> :P
[12:40] <MrParker> I have heard that, but I am new to this
[12:40] <ompaul> Burgundavia, mono is for .net - but open source
[12:40] <MrParker> and know not how to install that
[12:40] <MrParker> that = non binary drivers
[12:40] <pussfeller> ideologically, perhaps, but function wise, not the nvidia ones
[12:40] <Burgundavia> ompaul: I know that. I was just joking around
[12:40] <ompaul> membreya, almost there 74% [200 libsnmp-base 811669/1005kB 80%]                           108kB/s 6m15s
[12:40] <MrParker> I'm using a radeon 9800 xt
[12:41] <^thehatsrule^> nice!
[12:41] <ompaul> Burgundavia, ah but I got to say open source that was kewl :)
[12:41] <Burgundavia> mono is nice
[12:41] <Burgundavia> I use muine as my music player
[12:42] <ompaul> no idea I avoided .net due to its origins
[12:42] <Vjaz> Heh, I used Muine too but it kept crashing so I went back to Rhythmbox.
[12:42] <Vjaz> Nothing wrong with .NET really.
[12:42] <Burgundavia> muine has odd crashes
[12:42] <Arnia> Vjaz: What version?
[12:42] <cycom> what is multiverse?
[12:42] <eruin> I use rhythmbox 0.9 :)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> I think it is to do with a malformed library
[12:42] <cycom> just another package group?
[12:42] <Arnia> One of the managed externals?
[12:42] <eruin> its audio burning is great
[12:42] <Vjaz> Arnia: Um... some version.
[12:42] <Burgundavia> cycom: stuff that is legally questionable, as well as security-wise questionable
[12:43] <Twiggy> eruin:  Eh? I thought .8.8 was latest
[12:43] <ompaul> Vjaz, well as I said I avoided it
[12:43] <Burgundavia> cycom: or free as in beer, but not as in speech
[12:43] <Vjaz> Arnia: I currently have 0.8.2, but I might have upgraded that after I stopped using (which is silly)...
[12:43] <eruin> Twiggy: cvs ;->
[12:43] <cycom> oh goody! legally questionable is fun
[12:43] <pussfeller> yeah, im coming straight outa compton, step
[12:43] <Arnia> I'm using 0.8.2... don't have any crasher issues here
[12:43] <Twiggy> eruin:  Gnome cvs?
[12:43] <membreya> done yet ompaul ?:)
[12:43] <Vjaz> Arnia: Ok. Maybe I'll try it again.
[12:44] <Arnia> The only problem is that sometimes polypaudio crashes :)
[12:44] <eruin> Twiggy: arch/tla, instructions are on rhythmbox.org ;)
[12:44] <ompaul> membreya I need a bigger pipe :) 86% [250 libssl-dev 850429/2491kB 34%]                             105kB/s 3m22s
[12:44] <Arnia> But its rare enough that I can live with it
[12:44] <Burgundavia> Vjaz: it happens to me. The only solution I have found is to remove and reinstall
[12:44] <membreya> damn straight ompaul :P
[12:44] <Arnia> (especially since its so perfect a UI for me...)
[12:44] <MrParker> Anyone know a good C++ IDE?
[12:45] <MrParker> since you all seem a wealth of information :P
[12:45] <cjdavis>  hi all; I need some help -- does anybody have a pointer to info on runing macromedia flash with amd64? i figured its a faq, but i cant find it
[12:45] <frank> cjdavis I just made it work
[12:45] <cjdavis> !! yay!
[12:45] <ompaul> MrParker, xemacs if you have the ram - xcorel if you don't nedit is another one
[12:45] <Vjaz> Arnia: You're using Polypaudio?
[12:45] <garrut> pussfeller: mpd worked right out of the box for me, i just installed it an ran "mpd <portnr> /path/to/music/ /path/to/playlist_dir/ /path/to/logfile /path/to/errorfile", worked like a charm, i use gmpc as a client
[12:45] <frank> its a bit of enterprise though
[12:45] <Vjaz> Arnia: How come?
[12:45] <membreya> cjdavis: AFAIK, not possible unless you chroot it
[12:45] <Arnia> Vjaz: Yes... esd kept misbehaving for some reason
[12:45] <ompaul> thoreauputic, SHOOT ME - I just suggested to someone to use xemacs
[12:45] <frank> you have to chroot
[12:45] <MrParker> I have loooots of ram, thanks ompaul
[12:46] <pill> great, finally I can enjoy music after switching to linux a week ago..
[12:46] <cjdavis> would i be better off just installing a 386 version of ubuntu additionally for the moment?
[12:46] <ompaul> membreya,  95% [267 kdevelop3-plugins 3725080/6884kB 54%]                       108kB/s 60s
[12:46] <membreya> >:(
[12:46] <MrParker> ompaul, is xemacs not available through synaptic?
[12:46] <pill> is there any difference on the sound quality of different players
[12:46] <pill> s
[12:47] <nooneyouknow> most of them use the same decoders, so not really.
[12:47] <nooneyouknow> although, im no expert.
[12:47] <ompaul> MrParker, I do not use syanptic - I presume it is in there under editors
[12:47] <membreya> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[12:47] <membreya> ompaul: the error message I'm getting is
[12:48] <ompaul> membreya, - go for it
[12:48] <Arnia> pill: Most use GStreamer so not really
[12:48] <membreya> lol
[12:48] <membreya> see the above line
[12:48] <membreya> stupid copy and paste from konsole
[12:48] <MrParker> thanks ompaul
[12:48] <Vjaz> Wtf. I thought that I'd try Muine out once more, but it seems like Mono keeps wasting all my CPU.
[12:49] <Vjaz> Which is weird.
[12:49] <pill> okay..can't live without music, right. I haven't boot to windows since my installation..
[12:49] <pussfeller> garrut, im writing a rails/ruby standalone web interface for mpd
[12:50] <pussfeller> pretty easy actually, its the formatting decisions driving me nuts
[12:51] <ompaul> membreya, it is working fine for me
[12:51] <nooneyouknow> sure sure. music is vital.
[12:51] <membreya> ompaul: running amd64?
[12:51] <nooneyouknow> what isnt workingin your distribution, pill?
[12:51] <ompaul> membreya, no
[12:51] <membreya> :P
[12:51] <ompaul> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 21 not upgraded.
[12:51] <pill> everything is fine now.. I've got everything done here
[12:52] <pussfeller> seems to be alot of sound card issules
[12:52] <TrendKill> is there a gnome based utility for configuring the the runlevels?
[12:52] <pill> This is the 4th distro I've installed
[12:53] <pill> looks like I don't have to try another one . Gnome is clean, simple.
[12:53] <cycom> pill: so is console :)
[12:53] <pill> Yes, I wish I can go back to that..you know people get bad habbits after windoze :(
[12:54] <membreya> ompaul: do you have any idea on how to fix the problem ? I can easily download the file myself
[12:54] <nooneyouknow> haha, cycom leave off ;). no pill mate, ubuntu is the best distro ive tried.
[12:54] <Jamminpotato> o agree woth nooneyouknow
[12:54] <Jamminpotato> *i agree
[12:54] <cycom> OH NO! My proccessor temperature is 337.1 degrees!
[12:54] <cycom> ...kelvin
[12:54] <cycom> it's still pretty warm
[12:55] <pill> The best so far for me as well.
[12:55] <cycom> that's 147 degrees F
[12:55] <ompaul> membreya, there is no output, so I would be inclined to look at top /ps to see if the program kicked off - I would also be looking at cpdump to see what was coming back across the wire when you made the request
[12:56] <ompaul> membreya, that is tcpdump -lvv but you know that :)
[12:56] <pill> nooneyouknow, r u in uk
[12:56] <TrendKill> how do you administer services at bootup in ubuntu? (besides manually removing/creating links in the rcX.d directories?
[12:56] <membreya> naturally :|
[12:57] <membreya> gaaah
[12:57] <membreya> TCPdump
[12:57] <membreya> lots of traffic
[12:57] <membreya> lol
[12:57] <cycom> cripes! this thing doesn't read critical until 76 deg C!
[12:57] <pill> school uses federa core ..I will be using it in company as well
[12:57] <TrendKill> cycom, well, at that point you know its really critical
[12:58] <rotem> can someone help me it seems that my ubuntu cant sudo but it can su -c
[12:58] <Twiggy> eruin:  How'd you deal with this automake 1.7 trash?
[12:58] <god_2> I love god
[12:58] <thoreauputic> rotem: use visudo to edit the /etc/sudoers file
[12:58] <cycom> I think I'll also know when my leg hair starts burning off
[12:58] <membreya> ompaul: I did a tcpdump -lvv |grep ubuntu and it's getting "bad udp cksum" :|
[12:59] <ompaul> pill, fedora core is not a production level operating system, it is what Red Hat term " testing ground and possible roadmap" hrumph
[12:59] <rotem> thoreauputic, im using a vanilla hoary everything seems fidn except the ~fqdn, shoudl i remove it?
[12:59] <spanglesontoast> fedora sucks I switched.
[12:59] <ompaul> membreya, so you need to fix your repositries
[12:59] <membreya> how so ? :P
[12:59] <spanglesontoast> anyway the loo calls
[01:00] <thoreauputic> ~fqdn ?
[01:00] <pill> my company use it..so is my friend in school ..
[01:00] <pill> I will keep my computer Ubuntued
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> lol
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> haven't left
[01:01] <spanglesontoast> well it isn't the toilet talking
[01:01] <spanglesontoast> I'll stop there....
[01:01] <lucychili> eep
[01:01] <ompaul> membreya, as thoreauputic said
[01:01] <ompaul> membreya, maybe not
[01:01] <ompaul> membreya, ignore me I am asleep
[01:02] <ompaul> it is midnight and I am in work at 8
[01:02] <membreya> :(
[01:02] <ompaul> byeeee
[01:02] <lucychili> night
[01:02] <ompaul> membreya, grab the file and figure it out later?
[01:02] <TrendKill> is ubuntu considering chaging the runlevel format to say, a more slackware-style format...make life a bit more simple?
[01:03] <SysFail> seems simple enough now
[01:03] <deville_75> how do i get into root user?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: heh - debian style distros don't use runlevels much at all
[01:03] <TrendKill> sysfail, i find its a pain...
[01:03] <synic> deville_75: sudo /bin/bash will give you a root shell
[01:03] <deville_75> k....
[01:03] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: 2 is default for most things
[01:03] <jetthe> deville_75: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more info
[01:04] <deville_75> k
[01:04] <deville_75> but wut password do i put for it synic?
[01:04] <synic> your user password
[01:04] <deville_75> k
[01:04] <yg_home> what time is the release scheduled for today ?
[01:04] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, its just im reading through the update-rc.d man page and it looks really "heavy"
[01:04] <KarlosII_> what release?
[01:05] <yg_home> KarlosII_: wasn't 5.04 supposed to be released today
[01:05] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, im used to just having rc.d directory...whatever script is in it and executable runs at boot up
[01:05] <dockane> hi all ... my question is maybe a bit offtopic but anyway: i ve got 2 text files here (plain text). Both files are lists with one word per line. how do i copy one file to the other so  that in the end there is one file with two entries  per line ?
[01:05] <KarlosII_> news to me but then I haven't been on top of the news
[01:05] <deville_75> wut command in terminal is to copy files?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: the rough equivalent is /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[01:06] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: but using it is deprecated ;-)
[01:06] <thoreauputic> of course...
[01:06] <thoreauputic> just to make life interesting...
[01:06] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, i was about to edit it...lol
[01:06] <synic> deville_75: you may want to google for a tutorial on some basic unix commands, just so you're not totally in the dark.
[01:07] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: you can - but it might get overwritten by updates
[01:07] <deville_75> k
[01:07] <deville_75> hehe
[01:07] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, i sort of like using sysv-rc-conf...but it seems like overkill
[01:07] <jasp> deville_75:  cp
[01:08] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, i guess i cant have everything..lol...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: Thou shalt follow the Debian Way!
[01:09] <thoreauputic> "No -one expects the Spanish Incquisition!"
[01:09] <nooneyouknow> pill, sorry mate, watching tvtime.
[01:09] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah im in the uk.
[01:09] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, no! you must have updated packages! i dont want to use kernel 2,2
[01:09] <rotem> can someone help me sudo doesnt work and im using a vanilla 5.04 RC install
[01:09] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: heh - that's a myth
[01:09] <MrParker> har
[01:10] <MrParker> anyone mind throwing me a hand with something?
[01:10] <MrParker> :P
[01:10] <Parallax__> anyone qith an iPAQ ???
[01:10] <MrParker> sweet
[01:10] <MrParker> anyway
[01:10] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, i shouldnt talk too loud being a slacker...2,6 isnt officially supported
[01:10] <Twiggy> Parallax__:  I do
[01:10] <MrParker> my problem is I have a sata drive, its mounted to /media/sata but I cant change the permissions on it to view it normally with nautilus
[01:10] <Parallax__> can u sync it with evolution ??
[01:10] <MrParker> its registered to root as read only
[01:10] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah, how come so many people in this channel are from the uk?
[01:10] <deville_75> can someone help, i put in my usb flash memory and it worked the first time, but now its saying im not the owner
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> is this a local channel?
[01:11] <MrParker> now, its NTFS file system
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> youll have to forgive me, im quite new to irc.
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> :)
[01:11] <rotem> hwo is the sudo fiel suppose dot look like?
[01:11] <pill> noneyouknow, nevermind, mate.
[01:11] <TrendKill> nooneyouknow, im in canada
[01:11] <Parallax__>  Twiggy : Can u sync it with evolution ?
[01:11] <lucychili> noone - im from australia
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> i see i see.
[01:11] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: Australia here
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> my bad.
[01:11] <deville_75> any one know about file ownerships in Ubuntu?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: we ignore Brits ;-)
[01:12] <nooneyouknow> deville_75, what do you need to know about them?
[01:12] <pill> you know, guess it is just the time not working
[01:12] <TrendKill> lucychili, i just wanted to say hello to someone that is on the other side of the world
[01:12] <deville_75> well i used my USB flash memory and its saying i donnt have owner permissions
[01:12] <lucychili> greets trendkill
[01:12] <nooneyouknow> ive always found it quite warm and toasty in here actually, thoreauputic. ;)
[01:12] <pill> people here are very helpful..
[01:12] <nooneyouknow> right right, ive got an mp3 player with flash
[01:12] <TrendKill> lucychili, you guys are feeling the autumn?
[01:13] <deville_75> how do i fixc it? cuz the first time it worked
[01:13] <lucychili> its been oddly hot
[01:13] <Arnia> Well... I'm looking to change my origin to County Durham ;)
[01:13] <deville_75> it didnt say nething like taht
[01:13] <lucychili> summer was oddly cool
[01:13] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: hehe - yeah you guys are OK - pity you can't play your national game ;-)
[01:13] <nooneyouknow> when imount to it, i just write to it with sudo or su terminal.
[01:13] <Arnia> We make sports, we don't play them
[01:13] <lucychili> its sort of autumny today
[01:13] <deville_75> ohh
[01:13] <thoreauputic> rofl @ Arnia
[01:13] <TrendKill> lucychili, its been cold here...although lately, spring is creeping in
[01:13] <nooneyouknow> damn, thoreauputic, sorry i said it now. didnt mean to offend ;)
[01:13] <deville_75> how do i write in Terminal?
[01:13] <lucychili> nice
[01:13] <thoreauputic> Arnia: that's so true!
[01:13] <dazed_> why cant wine work just 1 time :(
[01:14] <Twiggy> Parallax__:  Yeah, with multisync and the evo plugin
[01:14] <Arnia> Its a national export... sports, games and passtimes
[01:14] <nooneyouknow> as in, open the root terminal and copy what you want across with cp.
[01:14] <frank> what is the root password on my ssytem? the one you use for   su  ?
[01:14] <TrendKill> dazed_, wine is written by programmers, its has to start by running 0 times first
[01:14] <Parallax__> Twiggy: Was it hard, cause I tried and i cant get it to work
[01:14] <frank> i can sudo with my password but not   su
[01:14] <deville_75> i hav no clue wut ur talking about
[01:14] <thoreauputic> Arnia: the Brits even invented the ski slalom, for heaven's sake!
[01:14] <nooneyouknow> if theres a better way, please tell me, because every morning im copying my mp3s across to this tiny dodgy korien player ive got.
[01:14] <deville_75> im new to Ubuntu and Linux
[01:15] <Fah> Hello, can someone tell me how to get the device files created in a chrooted envrionment in ubuntu? I'm trying to get my install of hoary working
[01:15] <nooneyouknow> there is no root password, frank.
[01:15] <dazed_> whatever that means trendkill
[01:15] <lucychili> frank i think this is the link you need - others feel free too correct me if im off the mark
[01:15] <lucychili> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more info
[01:15] <nooneyouknow> when you try and do anything as root, it asks you for your user password.
[01:15] <TrendKill> dazed_, sorry, one too many beers
[01:15] <Twiggy> Parallax__:  It can be a process, I had more trouble with getting hotplugging running well though
[01:16] <thoreauputic> lucychili: spot on
[01:16] <nooneyouknow> hello?
[01:16] <Brunellus> a toenail of thugness?
[01:16] <Brunellus> what is this, NetHack?
[01:16] <Fah> ah, nevermind. found what I needed
[01:16] <rotem> lucychili, how should my /etc/sudoers fiel look like?
[01:16] <lucychili> hehe
[01:17] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah, deville_75 , what lucychili said....
[01:17] <frank> lucychili: thanks
[01:17] <pill> gonna leave, cheers, mates
[01:17] <nooneyouknow> later
[01:17] <Parallax__> Twiggy: EVERYTHING is working for you or is there something missing ?
[01:17] <rotem> lucychili, i dont mean to be a pin but when i installed i set a root passwd (no i disabled) and i cant seem to sudo
[01:18] <nooneyouknow> what happens when you try to sudo, rotem ?
[01:18] <rotem> nooneyouknow, asks for password and even when i entered the rihgt one it didnt work
[01:18] <nooneyouknow> the right one being your user password, right?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> lucychili: too late to retract, you are now a fully fledged tech thug ;-)
[01:19] <rotem> no root passwd
[01:19] <fruggle> rotem: no enter user passwd
[01:19] <nooneyouknow> there is no root password on ubuntu.
[01:19] <rotem> i mad e so it would be
[01:19] <deville_75> u can set it tho
[01:19] <nooneyouknow> you can set one, but because you are an sudoes
[01:19] <nooneyouknow> sorry, sudoer...
[01:19] <deville_75> but so many files are locked
[01:19] <rotem> and now it says that im nto in sudoers
[01:19] <nooneyouknow> then it asks you for your password.
[01:19] <deville_75> i cant even send a file from my user acount to another user
[01:19] <deville_75> isnt ther a shared file or somethign?
[01:20] <thoreauputic> rotem: you need to edit the sudoers file with visudo
[01:20] <rotem> thoreauputic, how it says im not root
[01:20] <nooneyouknow> but, im not an expert, so please dont follow my advice too closely!
[01:20] <thoreauputic> rotem: hmm - you disabled root as well?
[01:20] <rotem> thoreauputic, if u tell what to edit ill reboot into my other distro and change it
[01:20] <rotem> thoreauputic, ya
[01:20] <deville_75> are there any experts here?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> rotem: you are in fairly deep ###
[01:21] <lucychili> if the file is yours and you want to share it. right click and choose properties and set the permissions so the group can edit it which you want to share with
[01:21] <deville_75> hmmm
[01:21] <holycow> speaking of sharing ...
[01:21] <Burgundavia> rotem: reboot in single user mode
[01:21] <lucychili> if the file is theirs aske them to do that for you
[01:21] <deville_75> kool
[01:21] <holycow> how do i setup read/write file sharing between allusers on a multiuser system?
[01:21] <lucychili> you can create a separate group that a few people join
[01:21] <rotem> thoreauputic, ill reboot into another distro and ill brb
[01:21] <thoreauputic> rotem: you can try booting with init=/bin/bash and editing /etc/sudoers, but I don't know if it will work
[01:21] <lucychili> or add specific people to your own group
[01:22] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: single user mode does that
[01:22] <lucychili> holycow add them all to a all users group
[01:22] <holycow> so if i create a group shared, and add all users to that group, all users in that group will have r/w permissions?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: but AFAIK single user mode still asks for a root pass ?
[01:22] <holycow> oh okay
[01:22] <lucychili> they can do
[01:22] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: nope
[01:22] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: boots you straight into root console
[01:22] <lucychili> but they need to set the file as being a shared file
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: OK so init 1 would do it
[01:23] <holycow> for every single file?
[01:23] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: there is an option on the grub menu
[01:23] <Burgundavia> recovery mode
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: right I see
[01:23] <holycow> oh i see what you are saying
[01:23] <lucychili> you can create shared directories with recursive permissions so they can save into a shared space which will affect the flavour of permission on teh file
[01:23] <holycow> i was thinking of creating a shared account, and just symlinking that users home dir as a shared dir to all users
[01:24] <thoreauputic> bach was a bloody genius...
[01:24] <holycow> lucychili, oh! i didn't know that!
[01:24] <thoreauputic> sorry, losing it here...maybe time for a sleep
[01:24] <lucychili> =)
[01:24] <holycow> okay that answer that question, now i know what to google for
[01:24] <holycow> thank you :)
[01:24] <Servo8888> Define a bloody genius...
[01:24] <lucychili> cheers
[01:24] <lucychili> bit red around the edges?
[01:24] <rotem> thoreauputic: i can now edit teh file
[01:24] <thoreauputic> rotem: cool
[01:25] <nooneyouknow> i love the file.
[01:25] <rotem> thoreauputic: the last lien says root  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[01:25] <holycow> lucychili, haha, funny
[01:25] <thoreauputic> Servo8888: just listen to his music...
[01:25] <MrParker> how do I get non-binary drivers?
[01:25] <Servo8888> rotem u3e3 t3h l33t sp3@k.
[01:25] <lucychili> =)
[01:25] <rotem> Servo8888: no i just 2:30 AM
[01:25] <rotem> thoreauputic: what should it be?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> rotem: user ALL=(ALL) ALL
[01:26] <dockane> i ve got a simple task here but it will get very annoying if i dont find a way to get it automatically done : 2 text files, every line hast got 1 word. now i would like to get them together so that the 1st  line consists of the word of the 1st lines from both files and so on. any idea how to manage that ?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> where user is you
[01:26] <thoreauputic> leave the root one as is
[01:27] <dockane> btw i do not want to copy and paste each word by
[01:27] <nooneyouknow> haha, id say thoreauputic is an expert :)
[01:27] <dockane> hand
[01:27] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, , you're pretty hardcor.
[01:27] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: am I?
[01:27] <nooneyouknow> *hardcore
[01:27] <rotem> thoreauputic: thx
[01:28] <thoreauputic> rotem: I hope you used visudo - it will tell you if you stuffed up
[01:29] <nooneyouknow> well, mate, ive only been here for about half an hour and you seem to be sorting peoples problems out. thats hardcore to me ;)
[01:29] <dockane> maybe a bash script will do that ?
[01:30] <spanglesontoast> where is system-config-soundcard?
[01:30] <rotem> thoreauputic: yes i did and now ill restart
[01:31] <nooneyouknow> sorry, dockane , i dont know the answer offhand, but maybe these will help? http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[01:31] <nooneyouknow> dockane, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html#toc1
[01:32] <spanglesontoast> anyone?
[01:32] <Fah> Whates the program that runs on first boot to finish an install?
[01:32] <nooneyouknow> as a general programmer (although ive never used bash) if you can detect carriage returns, just slot the word in before it, then carry on.
[01:33] <dockane> nooneyouknow, that will get interesting. me and bash scripting. i will try
[01:33] <blahrus> is there a meta package for the files needed to build from source?
[01:33] <Jerub> no
[01:33] <Jerub> it has build-de
[01:33] <spanglesontoast> is there system-config-soundcard?
[01:33] <rotem> thoreauputic, thank you very much it worked
[01:33] <blahrus> Jerub: what do I need? build-de?
[01:34] <nooneyouknow> dockane, if you ask around, im sure someone can give you a proper answer. sorry for the RTFM bullshit. :)
[01:34] <thoreauputic> rotem: cool - you're welcome :)
[01:34] <Jerub> blahrus: apt-get build-dep <packagename>
[01:34] <Jerub> blahrus: will install the packages required to build a package.
[01:34] <dockane> nooneyouknow, i am used to it from the debian channel
[01:34] <blahrus> Jerub: thaks :)
[01:34] <libben> im trying to unrar a file... and it going shit =)
[01:34] <Fah> so nobody knows how I can finish this install?
[01:35] <libben> unrar -e -y file.rar
[01:35] <libben> but noooo
[01:35] <libben> =)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: I have a very hard-core bash script pizza timer I wrote, if you're interested ;-)
[01:35] <libben> anyone ?=
[01:35] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: complete with pretty boxes :)
[01:35] <libben> thoreauputic, send me the file
[01:35] <nooneyouknow> haha, sorry, its just i dont know how to solve your problem. it sounds pretty generic though. maybe you could try some other linux channels?
[01:35] <libben> oo... gui also ? =)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> libben: you'll need Xdialog installed as well
[01:35] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, goddamn, how did you know?
[01:35] <fruggle> thoreauptic: yea im interested too!
[01:36] <libben> how do i check if i have it installed... ? i dont wanna start synaptic... mouse is to far away.
[01:36] <libben> how do i check with apt ?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/Timer_Script.html  << links to the script at the botto of the page :)
[01:36] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, i send emails to ibm about every week! they never reply, though...
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> the website for ubuntu has changed
[01:36] <thoreauputic> *bottom
[01:36] <dockane> thoreauputic, would you be so kind and tell me what i need to get a bash script running to that text file job ?
[01:37] <CarlK> how can I measure how much CPU a command used?  (trying to figure out what scp cipher is kindest)
[01:37] <dockane> *do
[01:37] <thoreauputic> dockane: you mistake me - my bash scripting skills are rudimentary and specific to pizza timers ;-)
[01:37] <hyphenated> CarlK: 'time' will report CPU time
[01:38] <hyphenated> CarlK: eg: time scp somefile remote_machine:~
[01:38] <Fah> anyone know what packages are installed by default in hoary?
[01:38] <nooneyouknow> aw, thoreauputic mate, you werent kidding! thats l33t bash coding skills! pizza pizza pizza!
[01:38] <hyphenated> it'll tell you wall-clock time, userspace time, and system-space time
[01:38] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: hehe
[01:38] <CarlK> hyphenated - cool - knew about time, wasn't sure if thats what I wanted ;)
[01:38] <fruggle> Fah: what are you looking for?
[01:39] <nooneyouknow> 3 different pizza eating realities. youre making me hungry. i might have to leave soon.
[01:39] <Fah> fruggle: I'm having a hard time  with the install. I need to re-run the second stage pacakge installer
[01:39] <CarlK> so userspace is what I want?
[01:39] <dockane> thoreauputic, so bash script manual is my friend. nobody inhere with mercy for me ?
[01:39] <Fah> Sort of like task-sel in debian
[01:39] <lamont_r> Fah: task ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <Fah> My disks are in a weird state, it installed grub in the wrong place. So I booted off another disk, chrooted into the base install and fixed grub
[01:40] <lamont_r> and task: ubuntu-base for server install
[01:40] <Fah> then after it booted, the network has issues, so I'm
[01:40] <thoreauputic> dockane: I've forgotten what you were trying to do and I haven't had any sleep for about 24 hours...
[01:40] <Fah> lamont_r: thanks!
[01:40] <lamont_r> there are also ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <Fah> actually, that command doesn't exist
[01:40] <Fah> know what package its in?
[01:40] <gilesw> evenin all
[01:40] <dockane> thoreauputic, thats tough
[01:40] <lamont_r> fah: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <nooneyouknow> dockane, it sounds as if youre going to have to write your own script. it is quite a specific thing you're looking for.
[01:40] <xvlun> is inotify included in recent hoary kernels?
[01:41] <lamont_r> apt-get install ~tubuntu-desktop
[01:41] <lamont_r> xvlun: yes
[01:41] <thoreauputic> dockane: bash scripting isn't too hard - even I can do it ;-)
[01:41] <Fah> thank you
[01:41] <thoreauputic> sort of...
[01:42] <Fah> that was the missing piece, I just had to jump up and down to get the bootleader to coopeerate with me
[01:42] <nooneyouknow> but, dockane, its not ubuntu specific. why dont you try some of the other channels>  ive never done any scriting, but im sure there are some bash channels you can ask, no?
[01:42] <dockane> nooneyouknow, i heared it is one of the first chapters of a bash scripting faq. yeeeehaaa : i'll get a bash programmer
[01:42] <lamont_r> Fah: the actual lists are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/hoary/
[01:42] <_ReDRuM_> whats the correct way to set fqdn in ubuntu?
[01:42] <xvlun> do i need a special boot command to octivate this feature?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> wtf is fqdn?
[01:42] <lamont_r> _ReDRuM_: make sure one of your IP's is in /etc/hosts with the fqdn, seems to be about the best I've found
[01:42] <nooneyouknow> really? hardcore mate! dockane , took me about half an hour this morning to figure out how to run bash podder!
[01:43] <membreya> ello _ReDRuM_ :)
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> hi
[01:43] <Fah> lamont_r: you essentially answered the question I had. I just wanted to finish installing the desktop
[01:43] <lamont_r> xvlun: is on unless you specifically disable it
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> fqdn = fully qualified domain name (www.foobar.com)
[01:43] <lamont_r> thoreauputic: fully quallified domain name
[01:43] <gilesw> why has ubuntu become so popular so quickly?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: as a bash script, bashpodder sucks...
[01:43] <Fah> I'm running it at work and like it. If it weren't for the weird disk setup at home, the install would have been flawless
[01:43] <thoreauputic> frankly
[01:43] <lamont_r> gilesw: because it rocks? :-)
[01:43] <gilesw> heh
[01:43] <SamuelGZ> How can i run java on X? I added exports for java but only makes sense on non X terminals
[01:43] <gilesw> i only read good things about it..
[01:44] <Fah> Evidently the installer doesn't like when you boot off disks on a pci IDE controler instead of the onboard IDE controler
[01:44] <dockane> nooneyouknow, what is a bash podder ?
[01:44] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic mate, trying to figure out how to run it, thats why i was looking for the FAQs :/
[01:44] <gilesw> i'm finally getting round to running linux on my desktop machine
[01:44] <nooneyouknow> dockane, its just a podcast prog.
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> lamont_r it will set itself i do that? hm.
[01:44] <gilesw> trying to decide which distro
[01:44] <thoreauputic> dockane: it downloads podcasts
[01:44] <lamont_r> _ReDRuM_: has for me
[01:44] <gilesw> am tempted by gentoo..
[01:44] <thoreauputic> dockane: mp3s and oggs etc
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> thats unusual you usually have to put it there and somewhere eles (like /etc/hostname for host name is normal)
[01:44] <lamont_r> although I set it on 127.0.0.1 :-)
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> gilesw - it's evil.
[01:44] <lamont_r> /etc/hostname is a good thing to fix too
[01:44] <gilesw> but i like tweaking
[01:44] <gilesw> heh
[01:45] <gilesw> it's what i do on winblows
[01:45] <nooneyouknow> its alright, if you want to use podcasts id suggest you alien ipodder, dockane. i tried it on debian it worked fine.
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> if you have 20 years to fix everything gentoo is ok
[01:45] <gilesw> ahh
[01:45] <lamont_r> gilesw: so download and build, not terribly bad
[01:45] <] BreliC[> Fah: I was going to install Ubuntu soon and also have a weird disk setup (about 5 partitions).. anything I should know?
[01:45] <e_machinist> Anyone familiar with Xfce4?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: have you used streamripper?
[01:45] <nooneyouknow> a lot more user friendly then bashpodder, altough bashpodder is pretty good once you figure out what the fuck is going on.
[01:46] <Fah> ] BreliC[: it wasn't the partitions, it was the number and configuration of dissssks
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> gilesw: not sure how i can do this cause my IP is on DHCP
[01:46] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: bashpodder lacks error checks and is poorly coded, IMNSHO
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> id rather not change 127.0.0.1 to be things other than localhost
[01:46] <] BreliC[> Fah_: Ahh, thanks
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> nevermind ill just grep through the init scripts...
[01:46] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, yeah yeah ive tried it, thoreauputic. used ot use it to rip somafm channels. finest radio station in the world, back when they had squid radio drum and bass!
[01:46] <lamont_r> _ReDRuM_: the fqdn comes back from libc these days, haven't dug through any other way to set it
[01:46] <] BreliC[> is Ubuntu crippled in any way like the new SuSE 9.3 will be?
[01:46] <] BreliC[> i mean in respect with multimedia
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> lamont_r it will be set with the hostname command in the init scripts ill wager.
[01:47] <Fah> ] BreliC[: FWIW the debian installer handled my setup just fine. Hoary might get fixed, I dunno
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_>  /etc/init.d/hostname.sh:        hostname --file /etc/hostname <--- theres the hostname, now wheres the domain name...
[01:47] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, i really wouldnt know. i actually have a computer science degree, but they really dont teach you shit apart from the high level stuff. when we all start coding in python, im set for life!
[01:47] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:47] <lamont_r> _ReDRuM_: go for it
[01:47] <e_machinist> Does anyone know how to add an item to the Xfce menu?
[01:47] <nooneyouknow> :)
[01:47] <lamont_r> it's not
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> dnsdomainname isnt set by init scripts :/
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> wheres the "ubuntu setup howto" page? :)
[01:48] <nooneyouknow> what do you mean, _ReDRuM_ ? what are you looking for?
[01:48] <libben> i dont get what i gain from signing up at ubuntu site
[01:49] <libben> except  being part of it
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> nooneyouknow: the correct way to configure dnsdomainname for ubuntu
[01:49] <membreya> is it safe to clear out my /tmp directory?
[01:49] <gilesw> hrm i may just give it a go, will it install on ich5 with a 3c940 nic ?
[01:49] <libben> can i write in the forum.. or do i need to create a new account for that
[01:49] <nooneyouknow> libben, eternel youth and some sort of rightous satisfaction?
[01:49] <aquarius> How do I set up my machine to forward packets? Incoming packets on one interface destined for the network connected to another interface are not being forwarded. I've echoed 1 into /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward.
[01:49] <gilesw> asus p4p800, not exactly new hardware
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> rather than just putting it in rc.local or something it must get the info from somewhere.
[01:49] <thoreauputic> libben: that's a good enough reason - you are now part of the community, are you not?
[01:49] <e_machinist> Does anyone know how to add an item to the Xfce menu?
[01:49] <lamont_r> membreya: /tmp is tmpfs in hoary, gets cleared every reboot....  if that helps you decide...
[01:49] <libben> ofcuz it is.
[01:49] <membreya> ta lamont :) it's just that it's getting slightly large ;)
[01:49] <nooneyouknow> ah, _ReDRuM_ sorry mate, not knowledgeable enough to help you.
[01:50] <libben> i just wanted to know if there is something more to it =)
[01:50] <libben> like i will be able to post in the forum
[01:50] <lamont_r> membreya: there are things in there that may want to stay for the current life of the machine, mindyou
[01:50] <membreya> lamont_r: it's 1.5gb :)
[01:50] <blahrus> Jerub: can I ask you another question?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> libben: I don't know if that requires separate registration
[01:50] <membreya> most of it is video files apparently :|
[01:50] <blahrus> lamont_r: thanks!
[01:51] <lamont_r> sorry - couldn't resist
[01:51] <blahrus> no biggie
[01:51] <jblack> Has something changed with the ipw2200? It no longer works on my laptop
[01:52] <lamont_r> blahrus: maybe I can answer the question yo uwanted to ask
[01:52] <blahrus> lamont_r: you know much about building from source via apt?
[01:52] <lamont_r> jblack: it should work.
[01:52] <lamont_r> blahrus: I run the buildds for ubuntu
[01:52] <gilesw> how do these canomical guys make enough money to support ubuntu ?
[01:52] <lamont_r> so, um, yeah
[01:52] <gilesw> what if they run out of money?
[01:52] <lamont_r> gilesw: google for Mark Shuttleworth
[01:52] <jblack> lamont_r: Ok. How do I convince it that its working, because it's giving a good impression of not working right now. ;)
[01:52] <nooneyouknow> they only have a team of about 10, gilesw
[01:52] <gilesw> k
[01:52] <blahrus> lamont_r: wellllll alright ;) can I PM you the error I am getting while trying to build transcode
[01:52] <lamont_r> jblack: truthfully, nfc
[01:52] <gilesw> lol
[01:52] <gilesw> oh
[01:53] <gilesw> they must work hard
[01:53] <viol-> like
[01:53] <viol-> is it safe to update o woary?
[01:53] <gilesw> what if they all die..
[01:53] <nooneyouknow> so, hopefully, they wont for a while. also, the main guy has $300 mil, gilesw
[01:53] <lamont_r> blahrus: sure, why not
[01:53] <nooneyouknow> always possible though.
[01:53] <lamont_r> viol-: it better be
[01:53] <nooneyouknow> maybe a necrotic ubuntu team
[01:53] <nooneyouknow> ?
[01:53] <jblack> lamont: Would it help any if I said it worked in rescue mode but not normal mode?
[01:53] <|QuaD-> hey all, i am looking to make a demo of software i created (like a movie), i don't have vnc setup, you know of any other ways to do it?
[01:54] <nooneyouknow> they'd work twice as hard, surely?
[01:54] <gilesw> wicked this mark dude has some dollar
[01:54] <membreya> lamont_r: lol, just went to /tmp/kde-membreya and removed *.part (vid files) and freed up 1.4gb :P
[01:54] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah, but more importantly hes a hardcore philanthrapist.
[01:54] <nooneyouknow> anyways, got to go to bed.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> there's a whole bunch of guys called the Masters of the Universe as well :)
[01:54] <nooneyouknow> later.
[01:55] <lamont_r> jblack: it would be relevant if I knew much of anything about the firmware blobs
[01:55] <CarlK> |QuaD- do you want live/real time, or pre-recorded?
[01:55] <lamont_r> have you rebooted since the last dist-upgrade?
[01:55] <nooneyouknow> haha, yeah, heard about it and instantly thought man o' war.
[01:55] <nooneyouknow> anyways, later.
[01:55] <|QuaD-> CarlK: prerecorded
[01:56] <jblack> lamont: Same here.
[01:56] <CarlK> |QuaD- http://mail.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf
[01:56] <|QuaD-> CarlK: i don't have vnc though
[01:57] <CarlK> is that what you don't want to do?
[01:57] <CarlK> so install VNC
[01:57] <|QuaD-> CarlK: thats the idea i want, without vnc though
[01:57] <CarlK> why not vnc?
[01:57] <jimbow> hmm there seems to be a problem with the unbuntu website
[01:57] <|QuaD-> don't want vnc on my comp (security reasons)
[01:58] <idn_1> has anyone had any luck with skype on AMD64 hoary?
[01:58] <CarlK> |QuaD- um... good luck.
[01:58] <jimbow> is it normal when someone logs in that they can change the content of the pages...
[01:58] <lamont_r> Jimbob: www.ubuntu.com?
[01:58] <lamont_r> jimbow: on the wiki, yes
[01:58] <jimbow> i can change the content of the support page
[01:58] <bluefoxicy> what the hell
[01:58] <bluefoxicy> fuck this
[01:58] <bluefoxicy> i'm not getting two accounts to log universe bugs
[01:59] <bluefoxicy> I'll just file them in ubuntu's regular bugzilla
[01:59] <bluefoxicy> and let the devs bitch
[01:59] <idn_1> i can run the one with the static qt libs installed but it looks a bit lame, i want to install it with a dynamic link to the library
[01:59] <dazed|> anyone have a problem with hoary freezing when running firefox?
[01:59] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: expect ubuntu's main bz to move into malone shortly
[01:59] <Vjaz> Works fine her.
[01:59] <Vjaz> (Firefox in Hoary)
[02:00] <membreya> idn_1: I could only get static to work
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  into what?
[02:00] <jimbow> lamont_r: should i be able to change the content of the support page?
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  the thing is sending me to launchpad and telling me to log in or register
[02:00] <lamont_r> the bug tracking system for universe
[02:00] <stranger> wow there sure are a lot of signs up today on the web about all kinds of multimedia apps being shut down
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> I have a bugzilla account
[02:00] <lamont_r> jimbow: I expect not
[02:00] <idn_1> hmmm, that sucks, the static one looks so lame on mine, what about on yours?
[02:00] <lamont_r> jimbow: and I passed your comment along
[02:00] <jimbow> ok thanks
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  well then I'll switch accounts, but I've already got a hundred bugzilla accounts and forum accounts and stuff, somep eople have separate bugs/forums accounts, I don't want to have 5 accounts for one community
[02:01] <jimbow> i changed it - got my friend to check - then i changed it back
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> I don't care that gnome and ubuntu and debian have their own users, or that you need to subscribe to mailing lists; but it pisses me off to subscribe 50 times to use a bunch of web services for one foundary/site/group/community
[02:01] <stranger> mplayer, gstreamer,videolan, etc are all posing signs
[02:01] <stranger> i wonder what is going on.
[02:01] <stranger> does anybody know what is going on with the multimedia apps for linux
[02:01] <helloyo> wow, the site changed very quickly
[02:02] <serbo> when is the new kubuntu come up
[02:02] <lamont_r> jimbow: most all of it is a wiki, yes
[02:03] <jimbow> right ok
[02:03] <jimbow> ty
[02:03] <MrParker> huah
[02:03] <MrParker> how do I get non-binary ati driverS?
[02:03] <stranger> look at this sign by mplayer
[02:03] <MrParker> and futhermore, how would I freaking install them :P
[02:03] <stranger> http://mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html
[02:03] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: will be in breezy
[02:03] <lamont_r> snort 2.3 that is
[02:04] <stranger> and that is just one...what is going on?
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  heh
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  i should probably start my own distro one day
[02:04] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: given that it's in sid, it'll snap in when breezy opens
[02:04] <thoreauputic> stranger: it's the fight against patents in Europe
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  that, or I should start meddling in Ubuntu politics
[02:04] <Riddell> serbo: same time as Ubuntu
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> it's microsoft
[02:05] <stranger> thoreauputic, this is serious...all the multimedia apps for linux are posting signs
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> trying to stop people
[02:05] <MrParker> oh come on, you all know you love microsoft
[02:05] <MrParker> they're great
[02:05] <thoreauputic> stranger: it is indeed serious
[02:05] <MrParker> (sarcasm)
[02:06] <serbo> Riddell: thanks
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> within reasonable testing of course
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> hence why I need my own distribution :o
[02:06] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: getting new upstream versions in post upstream-version-freeze requires that it be a feature goal, pretty much
[02:06] <mackid> bye!
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> lamont_r:  I'm thinking more of a structural change to facilitate that exactly
[02:06] <stranger> bluefoxicy, if you want your own distro go get some help at linuxfromscratch
[02:07] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: note that latest alpha and well tested are mutually exclusive
[02:07] <bluefoxicy> lamont_r:  heh :)
[02:07] <stranger> bluefoxicy, you will find all the answers there
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> MrParker i hate how everyone one loves them
[02:07] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: just run sid if you want latest
[02:07] <lamont_r> that's fully tested by the developer before he uploads his package, or so I hear.
[02:07] <bur[n] er> someone put azureus from debian unstable into ubuntu!!!!
[02:08] <bur[n] er> please :)
[02:08] <bluefoxicy> stranger:  for me it's more 1) debian packaging (i.e. hack portage to build debs for me, screw that :); b) mirrors (who the hell is gonna give ME 10 gigs of storage and 500 gig a month bw)
[02:08] <stranger> bluefoxicy, but there won't be any distros if all the apps for linux are shutdown....something serious is going on
[02:08] <MrParker> someone help me with ati drivers :(
[02:08] <MrParker> im so stupid
[02:08] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: when did it show up in debian unstable?
[02:08] <libben> can u use webcam with gaim?
[02:08] <lamont_r> if it's not in hoary, it'll show up in breezy (assuming it's in sid)
[02:08] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: a couple weeks ago
[02:08] <spanglesontoast> think theres a version
[02:08] <bur[n] er> aw man
[02:08] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: breezy
[02:09] <spanglesontoast> source thou
[02:09] <bur[n] er> but i wanna tell people about hoary ;)
[02:09] <stranger> bluefoxicy, well there won't be any apps anyway for linux....something serious is going on today.
[02:09] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  i'm more thinking in terms of enterprise solutions :/
[02:09] <libben> or what do i use to stream to vmw ? so i can stream it
[02:09] <libben> can u use webcam with gaim?
[02:09] <libben> or what do i use to stream to vmw ? so i can stream it
[02:09] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: the cutoff for new software in hoary was end of december
[02:09] <kbrooks> stranger, wat apps
[02:09] <tritium> stranger, not just today.
[02:09] <bluefoxicy> Stranger:  there's tons of applications
[02:09] <kbrooks> can i .......
[02:09] <kbrooks> hrm.
[02:09] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: i hear ya... understandable for stability
[02:09] <lamont_r> MrParker: if it's supported by xorg, then you just get the right stuff.  If it needs binary-drivers, then you need the stuff from restricted.
[02:09] <stranger> all of them...gstreamer, totem, mplayer, xine, etc
[02:10] <kbrooks> OK
[02:10] <thoreauputic> stranger: microsoft supplies a good chunk of Irish tax revenue, and Ireland has the top guy in the EU at the moment - the rest is left as an (easy) exercise for the reader
[02:10] <stranger> oh...it is the Irish
[02:10] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: although I understand the frustration
[02:10] <kbrooks> i wonder. could i ..........
[02:10] <libben> can u use webcam with gaim?
[02:10] <kbrooks> yeah
[02:10] <libben> or what do i use to stream to vmw ? so i can stream it
[02:10] <lamont_r> I have several packages I'd like to have seen newer versions of
[02:11] <libben> anyone plz =)
[02:11] <kbrooks> libben, no.
[02:11] <libben> ok.. streaming?
[02:11] <kbrooks> not iirc
[02:11] <libben> any software for that
[02:11] <thoreauputic> stranger: not really - the Irish are just a sock puppet for MS
[02:12] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: it'd be different if it was in there at all ;)
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  ms is a shitty business.
[02:12] <bur[n] er> couldn't they be added to hoary-updates repository?
[02:12] <libben> so there is no streaming software that no one knows of?
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> if I were them i'd love linux
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> you know why?
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> because I'd have diversified my business long ago
[02:12] <bur[n] er> or is that not until after hoary is released?
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> AND WOULD BE CAPITALIZING ON OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE
[02:13] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: does it fix a significant bug in a supported piece of hoary?
[02:13] <IRCGuest0> hi!
[02:13] <lamont_r> libben: flumotion or such
[02:13] <lamont_r> but it's not gaim...
[02:13] <nullaresnata> hello, how do I change my console keyboard?
[02:14] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: hoary-security is for security/data-corruption type bugs.  hoary-updates is for release criticial bugs in hoary software
[02:14] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: rrrrrright... nevermind ;)
[02:14] <bur[n] er> gotcah
[02:14] <nullaresnata> I has not accents (i need accents).
[02:14] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: ie, firefox security updates?
[02:14] <libben> lamont, what is it then.,.. chat thing ?
[02:14] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: and yeah, it is annoying, etc.
[02:14] <lamont_r> libben: flumotion is a streaming thing - dunno
[02:14] <libben> i can accept just a streaming software
[02:14] <libben> ok
[02:14] <bur[n] er> no worries... i can always add debian repos temporarily for azureus :)
[02:15] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: note that mix-n-match ubuntu and debian is known to be fraught with peril
[02:15] <lamont_r> due to library differences and such underneath things
[02:15] <lamont_r> or you could just build from source, and have your own ubuntu repository
[02:16] <pfr> i just got the following error on install:  install grub boot loader on a hard disk failed, is this a big deal?
[02:16] <lamont_r> or see the forums about where folks are sticking stuff they've built since release
[02:16] <vessuvius> Anyone familiar with bind?  I have it working perfectly on my dns server, but I can't seem to get it to resolve for other machines on the network...
[02:16] <vessuvius> and I can ping the machine running bind from the other machines
[02:16] <lamont_r> vessuvius: as root, lsof -i :53
[02:16] <[HK] -r00t-> hiya, new to ubuntu, very impressed
[02:17] <vessuvius> lamont_r, on the dns machine?
[02:17] <[HK] -r00t-> although i am unable to get my snd-intel8x0 sound card to function
[02:17] <[HK] -r00t-> thinkpad t41
[02:17] <lamont_r> vessuvius: yeah - is it actually listening on other than 127.0.0.1?
[02:17] <lamont_r> [HK] -r00t-: it may just be muted, or else selected the wrong device...
[02:18] <tbird> i just installed ubuntu and it never asked for a root passwd
[02:18] <tbird> is that normal
[02:18] <tbird> ?
[02:18] <Jerub> tbird: yep
[02:18] <lamont_r> tbird: very
[02:18] <Artemis3> yes
[02:18] <libben> there isnt any
[02:18] <Jerub> tbird: if you want to use root, use sudo :))
[02:18] <[HK] -r00t-> lamont, i checked to make sure it was not muted, and under prefrences>sound> i switched from OSS to intel audio
[02:18] <lamont_r> tbird: it's starred out
[02:18] <libben> u use the command "sudo"
[02:18] <lamont_r> [HK] -r00t-: ok.  no clue then
[02:18] <tbird> ic
[02:18] <tbird> so i sudo apt-get etc..
[02:18] <vessuvius> lamont_r, I got a listing , but I can't tell what ip its listening on
[02:19] <lamont_r> tbird: and if you really, really, really want a root password, then 'sudo passwd root'
[02:19] <tbird> ok
[02:19] <tbird> thnx
[02:19] <lamont_r> vessuvius: sorry... lsof -ni :53
[02:19] <lamont_r> which will give numbers instead of names
[02:19] <spanglesontoast> anyone know where I can grab ardi?
[02:19] <tritium> tbird, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more details
[02:20] <vessuvius> ok... named 7015 bind 23u IPv4 10552 UDP 192.168.0.2:domain (LISTEN)
[02:20] <vessuvius> I assume that means its listening
[02:20] <vessuvius> wait...
[02:20] <[HK] -r00t-> anyone able to help with snd-intel8x0
[02:21] <vessuvius> it only says (LISTEN) for TCP, not for th UDP listings
[02:21] <lamont_r> sorry bout that
[02:22] <lamont_r> udp doesn't get LISTEN
[02:22] <vessuvius> ok
[02:22] <lamont_r> if it has a 192.168.0.2:domain listing for udp, then it's there
[02:22] <EvilIdler> UDP is a "cross your fingers" protocol
[02:22] <thoreauputic> [HK] -r00t-: try selecting esd
[02:22] <lamont_r> so then the next question is to look at the config, etc.
[02:22] <[HK] -r00t-> thoreauputic,  its not available in volume control
[02:23] <lamont_r> vessuvius: you just did an install, nothing beyond that?  or did you addzones, etc?
[02:23] <vessuvius> I added zones
[02:23] <vessuvius> they load correctly, and I can resolve them on the dns machine itself
[02:23] <stranger> even kopete is posting a sign today
[02:23] <lamont_r> vessuvius: hrm..
[02:24] <lamont_r> anything in the log files ?
[02:24] <tbird> im the tbird that hangs in #linuxfriends
[02:24] <vessuvius> under options i have allow-query { 192.168.0.0/24; };
[02:24] <lamont_r> tbird: the one at stanford a year or 3 back?
[02:24] <tbird> nah not me
[02:24] <lamont_r> 'sok
[02:24] <vessuvius> maybe that is causing a problem?  the machine I am trying to resolve from is 192.168.0.3, the dns server is 192.168.0.2
[02:24] <tbird> this just is not working
[02:24] <tbird> google loads
[02:25] <tbird> but nothing else
[02:25] <lamont_r> vessuvius: resolv.conf on the client points at .3?
[02:25] <tbird> well irssi does
[02:25] <tbird> but not xchat
[02:25] <vessuvius> the client is windows, dns points to 192.168.0.3
[02:25] <tbird> sudo askes for a passwd
[02:25] <lamont_r> tbird: "doesn't load" ==?
[02:25] <tbird> which i have none
[02:25] <lamont_r> tbird: yeah, your password
[02:25] <tbird> oh
[02:26] <tbird> oh ok i got it
[02:26] <tbird> well the sudo part
[02:26] <vessuvius> lamont_r, I can switch over to a linux client if needed
[02:26] <etzerd> Hello room
[02:26] <stranger> here is one Irishman's response about the Ireland comment
[02:26] <lamont_r> vessuvius: but your server is running on .2....
[02:26] <stranger> The notice says that "The European commission has just passed its directive on software patents, violating democratic rules and procedures to the sole benefit of big non-European corporation and Ireland". As an Irish citizen, I'd like to know how the hell this benefits us.
[02:27] <etzerd> ?
[02:28] <etzerd> when ubuntu 5.04 will be release?
[02:28] <EvilIdler> stranger: It makes you used to live in a policestate?
[02:28] <MrParker> tomorrow
[02:28] <lamont_r> etzerd: sometime friday
[02:28] <etzerd> friday is tomorrow
[02:28] <Gaaruto> it's tomorow in paris !!!
[02:28] <lamont_r> MrParker: it may well be friday his time...
[02:28] <Gaaruto> lol
[02:28] <spanglesontoast> is it safe not to have a root password then?
[02:28] <stranger> i don't know what to think about anything
[02:28] <MrParker> lamont_r: Yeah well, I dont think before I say all the time :P
[02:28] <lamont_r> spanglesontoast: it's not that there's no password, it's that it's disabled
[02:29] <vessuvius> lamont_r, when I did the lsof command, it lists named a bunch of times, but there are different users... bind and root... and 4 different pids
[02:29] <lamont_r> MrParker: join the club
[02:29] <MrParker> lamont_r: In fact, I think you're wrong, the internet only exists here in canada, where it isnt friday anywhere yert
[02:29] <MrParker> yet
[02:29] <lamont_r> vessuvius: does the machine have more than one IP then?
[02:29] <MrParker> :P
[02:29] <spanglesontoast> kool so it's safe then?
[02:29] <vessuvius> no, just 192.168.0.2 and the loopback 127.0.0.1
[02:29] <Dr_Aevil> stranger: don't get me started on that damn commission :(
[02:29] <EvilIdler> Hmm..20 gigs of webcam snapshots..I definitely think Motion was set a tad too ensitive
[02:30] <[HK] -r00t-> anyone able to help with snd-intel8x0
[02:30] <lamont_r> MrParker: Gore invented the internet just for canada? I don't think so!! :-)
[02:30] <vessuvius> how would I stop all of the named's from running?
[02:30] <lamont_r> vessuvius: then why should the client expect to get answers from .2 when it sends its requests to .3
[02:30] <lamont_r> ?
[02:30] <lamont_r> vessuvius: it's multithreaded - there is onmly one
[02:31] <vessuvius> I mispoke before, the client dns is set to .2, the client's ip is .3
[02:31] <[HK] -r00t-> anyone able to help with snd-intel8x0?
[02:31] <vessuvius> .2 is the dns server
[02:31] <spanglesontoast> can sudo do exactly the same as root would?
[02:31] <lamont_r> vessuvius: ah, ok
[02:32] <lamont_r> vessuvius: I'm one for overkill debugging tools....
[02:32] <vessuvius> let me see what the logs say
[02:32] <lamont_r> on the server, as root: tcpdump -n port 53
[02:32] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, yes.
[02:32] <lamont_r> then do a query on theclient
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> fair enough
[02:32] <serbo> MrParker: you wrong man
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> just feels weird
[02:32] <vessuvius> thnx lamont_R
[02:32] <lamont_r> vessuvius: we're looking to see if the server is sending a response or not
[02:33] <lamont_r> tcpdump output is pretty easy to read....
[02:33] <vessuvius> ok
[02:33] <lamont_r> bbiab
[02:33] <folta> hy guys. does someone have an idea as to how i can get mplayer to handle real audio files, so i can use the bbc website?
[02:33] <loren> hey when did gnome-look.org come out? i'm interesting in trying gnome again rofl, more eyecandy lol
[02:34] <folta> by which i mean just play them, not work with firefox or owt
[02:34] <geneo93> needs real codecs
[02:34] <folta> geneo93, i don't get it, i thought one of the + points of mplayer is it has all the codecs
[02:34] <QMario> How do I enable localhost:631 to work.
[02:34] <geneo93> real and flash is exrta
[02:35] <geneo93> aleast it is in mandrake
[02:35] <loren> mandriva ;)
[02:35] <QMario> How do I enable localhost:631 to work?
[02:35] <dcraven> QMario, /etc/init.d/cupsd start
[02:36] <dcraven> QMario, that assumes you have cupsd installed.
[02:36] <QMario> Sorry, I meant from Firefox.
[02:36] <montana> can anyone help me? I'm trying to install mplayer but there are some errors. I don't want to post the cose in the main chat, so is anyone willing to try and help?
[02:36] <dcraven> QMario, just navigate there with firefox.... Type that address in the address bar like any other website.
[02:37] <dcraven> montana, paste it into pastebin.com
[02:37] <QMario> I do have CUPS installed, but for some reason it says that Administrative Tasks have been disabled.
[02:37] <sysrq> QMario: the web admin has been disabled, you have to use gnome-cups-manager or do it by hand
[02:38] <montana> dcraven, what do i put in for name? beside send?
[02:38] <QMario> What is the gnome-cups-manage?
[02:38] <QMario> How do I enable the web admin?
[02:38] <sysrq> ... you don't
[02:38] <sysrq> unless you want to recompile CUPS yourself
[02:38] <edgeoc> Can Ubuntu be installed on an Athlon 64 system?
[02:38] <dcraven> QMario, I wonder if this is relevent --> http://tinyurl.com/529q5
[02:39] <tritium> edgeoc, yep :)
[02:39] <montana> edgeoc, there is a seperate installer for AMD 64 systems
[02:39] <nullaresnata> hello, how do I change my keyboard layout on the console?
[02:39] <nullaresnata> It has not accents (i need accents).
[02:39] <dcraven> montana, "montana" would do quite nicely, that way we'd know who pasted it :)
[02:39] <montana> Okay, the code is under the name Giawa.
[02:40] <dockane> what can i do if i annoyed
[02:40] <dockane> am annoyed of OOo not starting ?
[02:40] <EvilIdler> dockane: Scream
[02:40] <EvilIdler> dockane: Have you tried running it from a term?
[02:41] <dockane> nope not yet
[02:41] <billyoc> dockane: run another office suite to make it jealous.
[02:41] <EvilIdler> dockane: There tends to be more error output then
[02:41] <folta> is deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ main unstable the correct line to add to/etc/apt/source.list in order to get marillat?
[02:41] <dockane> EvilIdler, it often hangs with the splash screen
[02:42] <dockane> sometimes it comes up, sometimes the document window does not load completely and freezes
[02:43] <EvilIdler> dockane: You could try reinstalling the package if it's still in the cache
[02:43] <tiredbones> I typed the wrong pop address for my isp when setting up evolution. What file does that info reside?
[02:43] <montana> dcraven, is it telling me that I have libraries that are too new for the version of mplayer?
[02:43] <QMario> Thank you, dcraven! :)
[02:43] <dockane> EvilIdler, got ubuntu on dvd
[02:43] <dracflamloc> ok wtf
[02:43] <dockane> will try it
[02:43] <dracflamloc> all of a sudden i try launching UT2004 and i get this: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but  this library is version 1.0.7174.
[02:44] <EvilIdler> dracflamloc: You have parts of two different NVidia drivers installed
[02:44] <dracflamloc> weird considering i never did anything to change them...
[02:44] <dcraven> montana, looks like your libraries are not new enough to me.
[02:44] <EvilIdler> dracflamloc: apt-get upgrade will
[02:44] <dcraven> QMario, no problem.
[02:45] <dracflamloc> how can i force apt-get install to re-install the nvidia drivers
[02:45] <EvilIdler> dracflamloc: dpkg -i the packages
[02:45] <dcraven> montana, it is depending on library versions that are not available in any of your apt sources.
[02:45] <montana> dcraven, according to synaptic i have the newest versions installed.
[02:45] <EvilIdler> dracflamloc: linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx
[02:46] <dogmeat> hi i have a question.. why does my NTFS partition show up as a FAT16 partition when i fdisk -l ?
[02:46] <dcraven> montana, you have the newest versions that reside in the repositories in your apt sources, but not the newest versions in the world.
[02:46] <dcraven> montana, it is requiring versions that are newer than mine too.
[02:46] <bur[n] er> anyone know what the prefix is when using evolution-exchange... is it owa://exchange.server.com?  http://exchange.server.com?
[02:47] <vessuvius> It's Working!
[02:47] <montana> dcraven, well... that's a bit intense then, haha. do you know how i can find those? because i do have universal repositories as far as i know, or at least added some extras.
[02:48] <dcraven> montana, I don't use crazy repositories so I don't know where they can be found.
[02:48] <montana> dcraven, okay. oh well. at least i know what the problem is. thank you =D
[02:49] <vessuvius> lamont_r, I think it was just something with my acl for allow-query... I explicitly typed in my client address, and now it works ;-)
[02:49] <dcraven> montana, no problem. Have a look on the wiki/forum. I think there are repositories listed there that provide mplayer with sane dependancies.
[02:49] <lamont_r> vessuvius: ah, ok
[02:50] <vessuvius> I wonder why 192.168.0.0/24 did not work though... doesn't seem right
[02:51] <imperfect-> Anyone know how I can install from a USB Cdrom?
[02:51] <dcraven> montana, I think it is available in just uni/multiverse as I have it available too.
[02:51] <imperfect-> It boots from the USB Cdrom just fine, then it wants to install a module to find the USB Cdrom to install and it won't.
[02:51] <EricNeon> jdub
[02:52] <montana> dcraven, how or where do i check for that?
[02:52] <imperfect-> no ideas I take it
[02:53] <stranger> this is so serious with so many ramifications...look at this comment
[02:53] <stranger> In the long term there is NO WAY we can keep the EU or any other part of the world from approving patents on software, because politicians will always care about the interests of whom/what put and keep them in place, ie corporations not common people. The point is that we're slowly approaching the critical level where the concepts of doing "the right thing" and "the legal thing" take opposite directions and become mutually exclusi
[02:53] <stranger> ve until we'll be forced to make THE choice.
[02:53] <stranger> The real question is not if, but when the moment arrives, are we ready to act as pirates? Because that's the point "they" are leading us to.
[02:53] <folta> does anyone know how i can get the w32codecs package for amd64?
[02:53] <libben> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[02:53] <pagefault> has anyone been able to get the new ATI drivers working with hoary?
[02:54] <dcraven> montana, http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/#mplayer
[02:54] <[HK] -r00t-> i have a thinkpad t41 running ubuntu, im using the snd-intel8x0 module and still not geting any sound, ive check the volume control and its using also (was using oss) and ive also made sure that it was not muted... any ideas?
[02:54] <libben> i get this when i do a | grep on a irc logfile
[02:54] <vessuvius> Ojh I see.... should have been 192.168.0/24, not 192.168.0.0/24
[02:54] <libben> why
[02:54] <MrParker> I cry inside
[02:54] <lamont_r> libben: what exactly did you type?
[02:54] <lamont_r> to get the error
[02:54] <libben> cat /home/libben/.xchat2/logs/#thepiratebay.org.log | grep <TPBot>
[02:55] <lamont_r> you'll want quotes around the <>, since those are i/o redirection characters
[02:55] <dcraven> imperfect-, on my school machine I couldn't get the install disk to install properly from my optical either. I eventually ended up installing Debian sid and upgrading to Hoary preview in place :)
[02:55] <lamont_r> grep '<TPBot>' /home/libben/.xchat2/logs/#thepiratebay.org.log
[02:56] <lamont_r> would work tooo
[02:56] <dcraven> imperfect-, not that I suggest you do that, but that's what I ended up doing.
[02:56] <billyoc> dcraven: wow, i didn't think that would work.
[02:56] <dcraven> billyoc, it was not without its wrinkles, but it eventually worked with a fight.
[02:56] <lamont_r> sid->hoary is a crossgrade,not an upgrade
[02:57] <[HK] -r00t-> i have a thinkpad t41 running ubuntu, im using the snd-intel8x0 module and still not geting any sound, ive check the volume control and its using also (was using oss) and ive also made sure that it was not muted... any ideas?
[02:57] <dcraven> lamont, whatever :)
[02:57] <lamont_r> billyoc: and you can do it, but it's not supported
[02:57] <dcraven> lamont, it was still kinda ugly.
[02:57] <lamont_r> yeah
[02:57] <dcraven> but certainly nothing unbearable. It seems to have been a success.
[02:58] <lamont_r> dcraven: a slightly better way to do it is to play installer and build the new system in its own partition as a chroot, then finish the task.  But that's _really_ not an end-user solution
[02:58] <billyoc> dcraven: mostly file locations that clashed, different directories for things?
[02:58] <lamont_r> alternatively, netboot can be your friend
[02:58] <tiredbones> I typed the wrong pop address for my isp when setting up evolution. What file does that info reside in?
[02:59] <dcraven> lamont, I only had local root on a windows box with a single spare partition.
[02:59] <dcraven> billyoc, very little of that actually. Most of it was clashing package versions.
[02:59] <kbrooks> test
[02:59] <Grim76> Question:  Is there a way to have nautilus use active vs. passive when connecting to an FTP server.
[02:59] <kbrooks> weird
[02:59] <kbrooks> TEST
[03:00] <dcraven> test!!
[03:00] <dcraven> odd
[03:00] <dcraven> TeSt
[03:00] <imperfect-> it completely blows my mind that the install the cd
[03:00] <imperfect-> will boot
[03:00] <billyoc> tiredbones: shouldn't you just use the menus to fix that?  edit->preferences
[03:00] <imperfect-> and go into the installation program
[03:00] <imperfect-> yet
[03:00] <[HK] -r00t-> i have a thinkpad t41 running gnome, im using the snd-intel8x0 module and still not geting any sound, ive check the volume control and its using also (was using oss) and ive also made sure that it was not muted... any ideas?
[03:01] <imperfect-> yet i can't find the CD it just booed off of
[03:01] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: The bootloader on the CD loads a disk image, but the kernel in that disk image doesn't have a built-in USB CDROM driver.
[03:01] <dcraven> imperfect-, same deal with me. Booted from the CD, ended up using Smart Boot Manager as there was a (weak) BIOS password at the time with CD boot disabled. But then the installer would early on say "Looking for CDROM drivers.." or something, then fail.
[03:01] <lamont_r> dcraven: when I find myself forced to do the sid->hoary route, I (1) pray that it's before upstream version freeze, and (2) Pin ubuntu to a downgrade if you must priority
[03:01] <mike_douglas> support for the d-link dwl-g520 seems to be dropped in hoary (it worked fine in warty). Is there a problem with the atheros drivers?
[03:01] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : Yeah, I understand the reason. It just blows my mind that someone down at Ubuntu didn't grasp that ;)
[03:01] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: So you can get a partial boot, but not full, since USB drives don't show themselves as IDE :/
[03:01] <imperfect-> Know what's better?
[03:01] <imperfect-> It broke my XP intsall
[03:01] <serbo> [HK] -r00t-: try this fuser -k /dev/dsp
[03:02] <imperfect-> I'm looking at missing NTLDR
[03:02] <imperfect-> I can't boot back into Xp
[03:02] <imperfect-> YAY!
[03:02] <billyoc> more disk space. :)
[03:02] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: If they made a 4-floppy sized bootimage, they could fit all sorts of common drivers on that :/
[03:02] <brrrt> i am on a warty live cd, when i try: chroot /mnt/hda2 /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda, i get : /sbin/grub-install: line 477: /dev/null: Permission denied  any ideas whats going wrong ?
[03:02] <dcraven> imperfect-, *It* broke your Windows install?
[03:02] <imperfect-> dcraven ; Yep
[03:03] <[HK] -r00t-> can someone help me with my intel8x0 sound card please
[03:03] <imperfect-> dcraven ; I never got to install anything
[03:03] <imperfect-> never selected a partition
[03:03] <dcraven> imperfect-, you played no part in that?
[03:03] <imperfect-> and now XP is missing NTDLR.
[03:03] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:03] <kerframil> brrrt: I'm not familiar with the approach or your goal, but you might try: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/hda2/dev first
[03:03] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, Ubuntu may have detected two sound-"capable" devices.
[03:03] <imperfect-> dcraven : Not unless booting up the ubuntu CD and trying to detect the CDROM did it.
[03:03] <imperfect-> dcraven ; Which it didn't.
[03:03] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, cat /proc/asound/cards/ only shows one
[03:03] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, when you run "alsamixer", is the chipset listed the correct one for your card?
[03:04] <[HK] -r00t-> yes
[03:04] <Flonne> Ah.
[03:04] <Flonne> What program are you trying to output audio with?
[03:04] <dcraven> imperfect-, slam in the XP CD and do a repair. It'll work.
[03:04] <[HK] -r00t-> wait
[03:04] <[HK] -r00t-> chipset is analog devices
[03:04] <imperfect-> dcraven : I dont care enough about it to do that.
[03:04] <[HK] -r00t-> how do i change that
[03:04] <calc> so when are the official torrents going to be put up?
[03:04] <imperfect-> dcraven ; my powerbook is still working fine ;)
[03:04] <stranger> hey does anybody know why gst-player doesn't come up along with all the streaming stations like icecast and shoutcast
[03:04] <dcraven> imperfect-, heh
[03:04] <brrrt> kerframil: wohoo, yes that helped :) thx alot :)
[03:04] <kerframil> imperfect-: FIXMBR and FIXBOOT from a recovery console, you may not want to do it but it's worth knowing
[03:04] <kerframil> brrrt: no worries
[03:05] <tiredbones> biilyoc: I tried to find a menu. I don't have an edit -> preference in evoulution.
[03:05] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, chip = analog devices, not intel
[03:05] <calc> its already Friday in europe
[03:05] <stranger> have they ruled that illegal?
[03:05] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, how do i change that
[03:05] <dcraven> imperfect-, that's what I said on Sept 8th, 2001. I still haven't gotten around to fixing that old Windows install.
[03:05] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, try "alsamixer -c1" -- see if it lists something else.
[03:05] <tiredbones> billyoc: I tried to find a menu. I don't have an edit -> preference in evoulution.
[03:05] <dcraven> Call me lazy.
[03:05] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, wrong -c argument 'l'
[03:06] <imperfect-> well
[03:06] <Flonne> 1 != l
[03:06] <billyoc> tiredbones: ah, i see.  how about tools->accounts?
[03:06] <Flonne> (One)
[03:06] <Grim76> Is there a way to set Nautilus to use Active vs. Passive with ftp?
[03:06] <imperfect-> I'm more curious as to how it happened.
[03:06] <kerframil> brrrt: most things don't work without /dev/null and /dev/zero ...
[03:06] <imperfect-> This is the kind of thing that puts the general public off to linux
[03:06] <kerframil> brrrt: /dev/console is another important one. easier just to bind mount your existing dev nodes in place.
[03:06] <imperfect-> hehe the livecd won't even boot
[03:06] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, -c0 shows the card, -c1 no card
[03:06] <HKSDU> Anyone knows that how do I upgrade from Ubuntu 4.01 to 5.04(for tomorrow's release..:))?
[03:07] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, what program are you testing sound with?
[03:07] <marska> Hello.. Ubuntu is set to automatically connect to a wireless network, but is it possible to select the network you connect to when multiple ones are availabe? Especially if you do not know the name or address of the connections your accessing?
[03:07] <stranger> does anybody know why gst-player doesn't come up with all the icecast and shoutcast stations
[03:07] <brrrt> kerframil: the recovery console you mentionied, how can i access that?
[03:07] <lamont_r> HKSDU: it's in the release notes, but basically, you change warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list - in all occurances
[03:07] <[HK] -r00t-> xmms, totem, sound settings (sound events)
[03:07] <folta> does anyone know how to get 32bit mplayer on an x86-64 machine?
[03:07] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, xmms, totem, sound settings (sound events)
[03:07] <kerframil> brrrt: boot a Windows CD and hit R if I recall correctly
[03:08] <brrrt> kerframil: oh, not that what i thought of ...
[03:08] <holycow> it will also give you the option
[03:08] <imperfect-> yeah
[03:08] <imperfect-> he's right
[03:08] <HKSDU> lamont_r: and just do a apt-get upgrade?
[03:08] <bestadvocate> folta:there has recently been a package mplayer-amd64 in hoary
[03:08] <imperfect-> gotta boot up into the initial install
[03:08] <imperfect-> and select repair
[03:08] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, have you tried using OSS and esound as alternative sinks? (Sound output options)
[03:08] <imperfect-> er
[03:08] <imperfect-> recovery console rather
[03:08] <lamont_r> HKSDU: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:08] <Flonne> and/or
[03:08] <imperfect-> I need a SATA CDrom drive
[03:08] <imperfect-> someone give me one
[03:08] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, tried changing to OSS in volume control, same result
[03:08] <imperfect-> DO IT NOW
[03:08] <Artemis3> no
[03:08] <HKSDU> lamont_r: o....ic ic...thanks alot :)
[03:09] <imperfect-> Ijust bought one of them alpine car stereo's with ipod connecter
[03:09] <imperfect-> if anyone in here is thinking abou tit
[03:09] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: I have tons to spare :)
[03:09] <imperfect-> shoot yourself in the fact
[03:09] <brrrt> kerframil: i thought there is something like this for ubuntu, similar to the trad. woody netboot-iso
[03:09] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : SATA ?
[03:09] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, every program has its own setting.
[03:09] <tiredbones> billyoc: I found it under tool->setting-<mail account. thanks
[03:09] <[HK] -r00t-> ok
[03:09] <imperfect-> er face
[03:10] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: Well, maybe not S-ATA, but I do have lots of extra CD-ROM drives
[03:10] <stranger> does anybody know why gst-player doesn't come up or something to bring in the icecast and shoutcast stations.
[03:10] <imperfect-> I've got 25 gig of mp3s on my ipd and trying to select which an artist takes FOREVER
[03:10] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: please paste your lsmod output onto http://pastebin.com
[03:10] <billyoc> tiredbones: yeah, different version of evolution have different menus.
[03:10] <bur[n] er> anyone know if gnome-panel can take .svg as icons?
[03:10] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : I need SATA, i've only got 1 IDE channel on this board
[03:10] <marska> Under Ubuntu, when multiple wireless networks are available, how do you manually choose a specific one? When your not sure of the address or name.
[03:10] <imperfect-> 3.6ghz P4
[03:10] <bur[n] er> or... how to get it to that is
[03:10] <kerframil> brrrt: I'm new to Ubuntu so I'm not sure. it certainly would be good if there was.
[03:10] <imperfect-> I did get a 10krpm SATA HD though
[03:10] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: Ack. Living in the future, eh?
[03:10] <imperfect-> but i'ev got a 250G IDE for storage
[03:10] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : Not really
[03:10] <lamont_r> marska: start with iwlist eth1 scan
[03:10] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : I've got another box a 3Ghz P4
[03:10] <lamont_r> or eth0 or whatever
[03:10] <spity> hi
[03:11] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : It's got 200G IDE and IDE DVD burner
[03:11] <lamont_r> marska: and then iwconfig is your friend
[03:11] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : but my buddy is hosting some bidness websites on it for the modment
[03:11] <brrrt> kerframil: thanks again for your wise input, i'll try now to boot ... cya
[03:11] <marska> lamont: How do I access that?
[03:11] <lamont_r> marska: sorry - those are both commandline tools, I expect there's probably a nice gui running around too, but I'm a shade oldschool
[03:11] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: If you somehow can get the harddrive for the intended system into another system, the actual hardware config doesn't actually happen until after its first (and only) reboot
[03:12] <marska> lamont: How do I access the command line?
[03:12] <lamont_r> forthe command line tools, applications -> system tools -> terminal
[03:12] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : I can go to best buy. purchase SATA CDROM and move on w/ life too ;)
[03:12] <imperfect-> I need to take back this linksys 54G router too
[03:12] <imperfect-> It's retarded
[03:12] <imperfect-> my openbsd box wasmuch better
[03:12] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: But that would increase the price of your Ubuntu "purchase" ;)
[03:12] <imperfect-> i even put that sveasoft stuff on it
[03:12] <dcraven> Check out my Human xchat theme --> http://tinyurl.com/5dvs2
[03:12] <folta> bestadvocate, i just went over to #mplayer and apparenbtly to install win32codec you need the 32 bit version of mplayer
[03:12] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, its up
[03:12] <dcraven> I'm lame.
[03:12] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : dude I've spent so much money on linux
[03:12] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : It's not even funny
[03:12] <holycow> imperfect-, lol me too
[03:12] <holycow> ilove linux
[03:12] <folta> whereas i currently have th mplayer-amd64 package
[03:13] <holycow> i'll spend even more
[03:13] <imperfect-> holy shit
[03:13] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: You're th 11th person to steer me away from Linksys :)
[03:13] <imperfect-> I've been using linux 10 years
[03:13] <imperfect-> im old now.
[03:13] <imperfect-> dude
[03:13] <imperfect-> I knew they sucked
[03:13] <dcraven> Money as in donations?
[03:13] <spanglesontoast> can I download azureus as a package?
[03:13] <imperfect-> but I wanted to play with the sveasoft shyt
[03:13] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: Uphill, both ways? Snowy?
[03:13] <stranger> what does ubuntu use for pulling in the icecast and shoutcast stations to rip public domain stuff
[03:13] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: is Linksys bad?
[03:13] <bestadvocate> folta: its true most of the codecs dont work, your going to have read up on chroot, and how to 32 emulate
[03:13] <holycow> imperfect-, i stopped buying linksys a while ago, these days i just stick with netgear, even tho they basically get their stuff from the same chinese manufacturer
[03:13] <imperfect-> I was hoping cisco would save them
[03:13] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun,  i posted it
[03:13] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, what's up?
[03:13] <Artemis3> you mean system freezing linksys nics?
[03:13] <imperfect-> now cisco makes a shitty product ;)
[03:13] <wims> when will they release hoary?
[03:13] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, http://pastebin.com/268684
[03:13] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: EVERYONE who bought the 54g on a board I frequent have returned it/had to flash some open firmware
[03:14] <Flonne> wims, seven hours.
[03:14] <bestadvocate> do some googleing: i still havent tackled this task.
[03:14] <imperfect-> yeah I have this other 54G netgear im using at the moment
[03:14] <lamont_r> wims: announcement will be in a few hours
[03:14] <wims> flonne: thanks
[03:14] <wims> great
[03:14] <Artemis3> shh
[03:14] <marska> I just installed wget. How do I access it?
[03:14] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, what about "Multimedia Systems Selector"
[03:14] <stranger> oh well i guess everybody is deaf....i will go work on another distro...good luck to you
[03:14] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: which one you are talking about?
[03:14] <Flonne> (Estimate)
[03:14] <Artemis3> they better release the torrents first...
[03:14] <Flonne> Yeah...
[03:14] <dcraven> marska, type "wget <address>" in a terminal.
[03:14] <imperfect-> FUCK!
[03:14] <imperfect-> yeah
[03:14] <imperfect-> So
[03:14] <dcraven> Ouch imperfect-
[03:14] <imperfect-> XP kernel panics when you're trying to repair
[03:14] <imperfect-> == the SUCK
[03:14] <dcraven> Clean channel.
[03:15] <imperfect-> I AM UNCLEAN. ;)
[03:15] <imperfect-> sorry.
[03:15] <Artemis3> its scared
[03:15] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: There's one particular model Linksys - I think you should be able to find a few horror stories with Google
[03:15] <marska> dcraven: How do I change proxy settings under wget?
[03:15] <lamont_r> imperfect-: don't make me ban you... :-)
[03:15] <dcraven> Not my channel though, so no need to listen :)
[03:15] <apow> he is unclean, fast, fsck him!
[03:15] <wims> lol
[03:15] <lamont_r> marska: http_proxy=http://host:port/ wget ....
[03:15] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: "linksys bad return" are possible keywords :)
[03:15] <imperfect-> lamont_r: but daddy! windows is making it's suck pig!
[03:15] <Flonne> crimsun, [HK] -r00t-, I don't see any unusual sound drivers there.
[03:15] <folta> bestadvocate, looking forward to it already.... :S
[03:15] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: because so far, all my linksys routers and wireless adapters are working pretty well
[03:15] <apow> hey lamont_r, that netinst image worked really good thanks
[03:15] <lamont_r> imperfect-: so scream and rant and beat it with the keyboard...:0)
[03:16] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, what about "Multimedia Systems Selector"
[03:16] <lamont_r> apow: cool.
[03:16] <holycow> *hmmm*
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> when the stable coming out?
[03:16] <lamont_r> apow: (and unsurprising, actually...)
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> anyone got the time for release?
[03:16] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
[03:16] <apow> some quirk on apt, which i solved by apt-get --reinstall apt :P
[03:16] <bestadvocate> folta: you could also do a second installation of ubuntu,  with the i386 disks,
[03:16] <lamont_r> spanglesontoast: in a few hours
[03:16] <Artemis3> soon...
[03:16] <holycow> whats the name of that app that sorts and locates winamp streams and online radio stations?
[03:16] <apow> other than that, it went smooth
[03:16] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: I've only used switches from them, which are uncomplicated beasts. But wireless I'll pass on until I know I can get a good router.
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> how soon?
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> 2hrs?
[03:16] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: wow, there are a lot, let me read
[03:16] <[HK] -r00t-> gnome panel
[03:16] <dcraven> marska, I'm looking at the wget man page and it's in there. I've never used it with a proxy before though.
[03:17] <lamont_r> spanglesontoast: its still thursday here...
[03:17] <marska> Man page?
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> friday 2:37am
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:17] <marska> dcraven: I'm new at this, I just need to change the port to 8119
[03:17] <qweqw> where are all the amd64 packages? i don't have fluxbox, irssi, etc..
[03:17] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, try changing the output device in one of the programs you're trying to use.
[03:17] <dcraven> marska, It looks like you can set up the default proxy in /etc/wgetrc.
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> I know this is rude but is there a way to access the dev packages?
[03:17] <fruggle> holycow: streamtuner?
[03:17] <[HK] -r00t-> i have
[03:17] <marska> Thank you
[03:17] <Flonne> qweqw, isn't irssi included in the amd64 basesystem?
[03:17] <marska> I may remain ignorant now.
[03:18] <qweqw> it's not in apt-cache
[03:18] <Jerub> if you have a default proxy, you could just put it in your ~/.bashrc as 'export http_proxy=http://proxy.host:8080/'
[03:18] <Flonne> But it's installed with your system.
[03:18] <Jerub> and wget respects that, along with many other terminal applications, such as apt-get
[03:18] <qweqw> no
[03:18] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: is this a laptop, and if so, which make & model?
[03:18] <lamont_r> qweqw: apt-get install, or run synaptic
[03:18] <dcraven> marska, no problem
[03:18] <folta> bestadvocate, i think i'd rather either learn how to make the codecs work or wait for 64 bit ones
[03:18] <imperfect-> wow.
[03:18] <imperfect-> I need a break from this frustration
[03:18] <imperfect-> ;)
[03:18] <[HK] -r00t-> IBM Thinkpad T41
[03:19] <folta> winxp64s gone gold anyway, so it shouldn;t be too long
[03:19] <lamont_r> qweqw: xchat is in the base, and generally there's only one of each type of app
[03:19] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: The problem most people I know of have had with the WRT54g was signals dropping just enough to make WoW unplayable.
[03:19] <imperfect-> Is there a net install option?
[03:19] <qweqw> that's my point, lamont .. i can't install irssi, it's not there
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> there a list of fixed bugs due for the stable?
[03:19] <holycow> fruggle, thats it!
[03:19] <holycow> thanks!
[03:19] <Jerub> qweqw: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[03:19] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: I guess the average non-gaming person wouldn't notice, and just blame the ISP
[03:19] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: that's my recent problem with the newest fireware, true...
[03:19] <dcraven> marska, Oh.. Are you being sarcastic or did you find the appropriate setting in /etc/wgetrc?
[03:19] <lamont_r> qweqw: irssi-text is
[03:19] <bestadvocate> folta: I am going to have 3 versions of ubuntu isntalled on my cpu (i bought a very large hard drive and this was the best I could think of on how ot use it)
[03:19] <qweqw> nope, how do i do that?
[03:19] <qweqw> i have "restricted" in my sources.list, removing it does nothing
[03:20] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: I know it's my linksys because I already tried connecting my cable modem to one of my comp directly and tested.
[03:20] <dcraven> marska, Looks like line 76 in that file would be useful to you.
[03:20] <Jerub> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:20] <lamont_r> qweqw: in synaptic, tell it to update, and then install irssi-text
[03:20] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Replacing the firmware helps for everyone who's reported back, though
[03:20] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: One bad product is all it takes for regular people to avoid them :/
[03:20] <lamont_r> or from a command line: apt-get update; apt-get install irssi-text
[03:20] <qweqw> synaptic? is that the ubuntu packaging program
[03:20] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, Thinkpad T41
[03:20] <wims> yes
[03:20] <lamont_r> qweqw: synaptic is a gui on top of apt
[03:21] <wims> irsii is installed by default on my system
[03:21] <Flonne> crimsun was the one who asked, [HK] -r00t-.
[03:21] <wims> IRSSI*
[03:21] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: amixer output onto pastebin.
[03:21] <lamont_r> wims: doh
[03:21] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, amixer?
[03:21] <lamont_r> irssi is in ubuntu-desktop's depends
[03:21] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Much of the stuff Cisco/Linksys make really has hardware by ZyXel, I hear, but Cisco add the firmware/software
[03:21] <lamont_r> so, qweqw apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[03:21] <lamont_r> that'll get you a full and complete hoary system
[03:22] <lamont_r> wims: thanks forthe correction
[03:22] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: actually all my friends are using different products, netgear, dlink and smc and all of them are having problems all the time, I am already glad that I don't have much problem
[03:22] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: yes, amixer.
[03:22] <qweqw> ok, apt is corrupted
[03:22] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/268686
[03:22] <qweqw> never mind
[03:22] <qweqw> thanks!
[03:22] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Yeah, the WRT54g problem is at least easy to fix. One solution for all its ailments :)
[03:23] <dcraven> qweqw, don't mention it dude.
[03:23] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: I wouldn't touch any of those brands you mentioned, though. I'd go with 3Com, because they've never disappointed me.
[03:23] <FenixRF> greetings...
[03:23] <dcraven> hey FenixRF
[03:23] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: I will give it a try next time
[03:24] <FenixRF> ... I'm trying to install ubuntu for my wife... thing is she's got an ACX 111 card in her machine...
[03:24] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Linksys, Intel and 3Com are my preferred trio, in any order
[03:24] <FenixRF> ... I'm trying to set up ndiswrappers... but a) I don't have a network connection to her PC...
[03:24] <woodwizzle> Tomorow is the big day isn't it?
[03:24] <dockane> what do i need to install to watch dvds ?
[03:24] <FenixRF> ... and b) the howto for ndiswrapper 404's on the ubuntu site
[03:24] <sacrosby> Hey folks. Never done much with the kernel before, but I've to konw where it is in Warty.
[03:24] <sacrosby> Any help
[03:24] <sacrosby> ?
[03:24] <libben> dockane, u need totem-xine
[03:25] <EvilIdler> sacrosby: The kernel, the headers or the source?
[03:25] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: and if you mute 'External Amplifier'?
[03:25] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: so do you still have that WRT54G?
[03:25] <sacrosby> Hmm. Going to guess headers.
[03:25] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, where do i do that?
[03:25] <libben> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[03:25] <sacrosby> I'm installing Cisco VPN client.
[03:25] <libben> download that dockane
[03:25] <dockane> libben, ogle is not good ?
[03:25] <dockane> ok
[03:25] <sacrosby> the script asks where the kernel is.
[03:25] <libben> download the file and do what it says
[03:25] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: I don't have it, due to the warnings I've gotten - I've had so much trouble with hardware in the past year I don't want wireless on top of it ;)
[03:25] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: amixer sset 'External Amplifier' off
[03:25] <libben> dockane, ur on horay?
[03:25] <sacrosby> Woops. Source. My bad.
[03:26] <dockane> libben, yes
[03:26] <dcraven> FenixRF, the ndiswrapper tarball will certainly fit on a floppy disk if that is an option.
[03:26] <EvilIdler> sacrosby: OK, you need to check that you have the Linux headers package.
[03:26] <lamont_r> sacrosby: linux-source-2.6.10 is the source package, there are linux-image-* and linux-headers-* as well
[03:26] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: ic....I am reading some forums talking about some other open firmwares are better than the official one
[03:26] <FenixRF> dcraven, and what about the how-to? :)
[03:26] <FenixRF> I've never installed ndiswrapper before :)
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> nite bill
[03:26] <sacrosby> Sorry EvilIdler, I need the source. Just checked the documentation.
[03:26] <dcraven> FenixRF, hmm.. Hold up a sec.
[03:26] <lamont_r> sacrosby: you'll want to apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[03:27] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, ok muted
[03:27] <dockane> libben, shoul i first give ogle a try ?
[03:27] <EvilIdler> sacrosby: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) linux-source-$(uname -r)
[03:27] <[HK] -r00t-> still no go on also or oss
[03:27] <pagefault> well foo
[03:27] <pagefault> it looks like the latest fglrx driver released today does not work with hoary
[03:27] <sacrosby> OK. That will install it, I suppose?
[03:27] <EvilIdler> sacrosby: When it says you need the source, it actually means the headers, but geting the source to be safe is good
[03:27] <sacrosby> What kernel version is Warty running on, anyway?
[03:27] <lamont_r> sacrosby: yeah, and needs to be run as root
[03:27] <sacrosby> IC
[03:27] <lamont_r> warty?
[03:27] <lamont_r> 2.6.8
[03:28] <daniels> lamont_r: 2.6.8.1
[03:28] <libben> dockane, dont know... i use totem player that is in horay..
[03:28] <lamont_r> daniels: either way, it's old. :-)
[03:28] <libben> but to watch dvds in it... u need totem-xine
[03:28] <McScruff> hello
[03:28] <libben> dockane, just go to that url... and then do wha he says... download the file he tells u too
[03:28] <sacrosby> THat all helps. Thanks guys.
[03:28] <libben> subuntu is it called something
[03:28] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, still no go
[03:29] <McScruff> is it ok for a newbie to ask a few q's
[03:29] <Flonne> Of course.
[03:29] <FenixRF> ok... how do I copy something to a floppy? :)
[03:30] <McScruff> installed today, used gnome , then went to good old kde, but how do i mount my storage hdd, its fat32
[03:30] <FenixRF> oh... I don't have a floppy drive
[03:30] <billyoc> FenixRF: good, 'cause I forgot how.  :)
[03:30] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, still no go
[03:30] <Flonne> McScruff, do you want to mount it permanently?
[03:30] <McScruff> yes
[03:31] <Flonne> McScruff, do you know its block device path? (/dev/hda4 or something like that)
[03:31] <dcraven> FenixRF, maybe this thread (for a diff chipset) might help? --> http://tinyurl.com/66yao
[03:31] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: ok. Have you tried 'alsa-source' from universe?
[03:32] <dockane> libben, ah i say its a legal problem
[03:32] <dcraven> FenixRF, for now we'll assume that the ndiswrapper module that comes with Ubuntu stock kernel will work. If not, (like me) you may need to roll your own :)
[03:32] <[HK] -r00t-> ill try it
[03:32] <McScruff> i have to admit this distro has a more "hands on" approach compared to suse
[03:32] <libben> ?
[03:32] <McScruff> i have to actually do stuff
[03:33] <dcraven> FenixRF, also, I am assuming you have the Windows drivers handy. I may be making too many assumptions here :)
[03:33] <FenixRF> dcraven, I have no network connection at the moment... so I is it adequate that I compile ndiswrapper from sources?
[03:33] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, ok alsa-source installed
[03:33] <FenixRF> dcraven, I have the windows driver handy
[03:33] <dcraven> FenixRF, ok. I thought that maybe you were online right now.
[03:33] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: you also need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:33] <mpt> How can I tell when a particular package on my box was last updated?
[03:33] <[HK] -r00t-> k
[03:34] <FenixRF> dcraven, I'm online with my Gentoo box... :)
[03:34] <cens0red> hi. Everyone. Just interested in ubuntu.
[03:34] <Flonne> McScruff, 'sudo echo "<block path> <path you want it to appear at> vfat umask=000,rw 0 0" >> /etc/fstab' followed by 'sudo mount <path you want it to appear at>' (Ask if you don't understand what any of that means)
[03:34] <marska> Hello again... I'm having a problem making wget point to localhost:8118. I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to walk through it with me?
[03:34] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, installing, brb
[03:34] <McScruff> also , has amsn been removed from the apt-get
[03:34] <lamont_r> McScruff: if you want it permanently, you'll need to add it to /etc/fstab
[03:34] <FenixRF> dcraven, shouldn't matter if I compile from sources...
[03:34] <dcraven> FenixRF, but what do you need a network connection for? Isn't ndiswrapper included with the stock kernel that is on the ubuntu CD? Maybe I'm missing something.
[03:34] <FenixRF> ... later on, I believe I can get the package.
[03:35] <FenixRF> dcraven, ndiswrapper is included as a module... but not as an executable
[03:35] <lamont_r> McScruff: you'll need to follow the comments in /etc/apt/sources.list to enable universe for amsn (not supported, but there)
[03:35] <dcraven> FenixRF, well if that is the case, then you also need the kernel-headers package for the running kernel on the machine you are going to compile the module for.
[03:35] <marska> I'm trying to point wget to a proxy, localhost:8118.
[03:35] <McScruff> i gave up with amsn kopete suits me
[03:35] <crimsun> FenixRF: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:35] <marska> I change the proxy addresses in the config file, but it doesn't want to work.
[03:35] <lamont_r> McScruff: the distro targets the enduser whole-disk install, hence the lack of autodetection of other hdd partitions - that might come in the next release, dunno
[03:36] <dcraven> FenixRF, really? ndiswrapper-utils doesn't exist?
[03:36] <McScruff> lamont_t how do i mount it then, im a newb
[03:36] <cens0red> well this is a pretty big chan. Must be a lot of ubuntu users out there.
[03:36] <dcraven> (assuming that is where the ndiswrapper exec comes with)
[03:36] <Flonne> McScruff, I just gave you the information you need.
[03:36] <lamont_r> dcraven: ndiswrapper-utils is i386 only
[03:36] <Nekohayoo> IRC question: how much time does it take for the server to realize nekohayo has died? is there a way to kick my own "ghost" ?
[03:36] <dcraven> lamont, what arch are we dealing with here?
[03:37] <cens0red> I'm on dialup. Would that present difficulties? Does ubuntu sort of assume u have broadband?
[03:37] <marska> Question #2. I tried to install an entension to Mozilla, but it came up saying that I did not have permission to do this. How do I set permission to add extensions then?
[03:37] <FenixRF> dcraven, I couldn't find it...
[03:37] <dcraven> crudbellies
[03:37] <lamont_r> McScruff: after adding it to /etc/fstab, you can just ''mount /dev/whatever' - but finding the partition could be some pain
[03:37] <h8crime> i need some help with hoary
[03:37] <Flonne> Nekohayoo, /msg nickserv ghost <name> <pass>
[03:37] <FenixRF> dcraven, I tried to search for the package... but no luck...
[03:37] <lamont_r> dcraven: if he's saying it's not there, but he's trying to use it sensibly, then probably amd64
[03:37] <McScruff> shouldn't it be hdb1 ?
[03:37] <FenixRF> the ndiswrapper modules are there... and the correct headers are as well.
[03:38] <dcraven> FenixRF, okay then, if you are going to compile it, on her machine, make sure linux-headers are installed for her running kernel (uname -r) for kernel version.
[03:38] <marska> McScruff: Trying to mount a fat32 partition?
[03:38] <FenixRF> dcraven, done
[03:38] <McScruff> a whole fat32 hdd
[03:38] <dcraven> lamont, I get it.
[03:38] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, alll installed
[03:38] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:38] <Nekohayoo> Thank you Flonne :)
[03:38] <McScruff> a second hdd
[03:38] <dcraven> FenixRF, now you have the ndiswrapper tarball on there as well?
[03:38] <FenixRF> brb ... gonna try
[03:38] <dcraven> FenixRF, try what?
[03:38] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[03:38] <h8crime> can anyone help me?
[03:39] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:39] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[03:39] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[03:40] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: say no to pnp, yes to debug, choose intel8x0
[03:40] <[HK] -r00t-> conflicting actions --control and --remove
[03:40] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:40] <[HK] -r00t-> there we go
[03:40] <dcraven> h8crime, no need to repeat every 15 seconds... Was ath0 your wireless?
[03:40] <h8crime> CAN ANYONE SEE THIS??
[03:40] <McScruff> if i wanted full read write access to the fat32 what would the options be
[03:40] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[03:41] <dcraven> Okay I'm done with this dude.
[03:41] <McScruff> h8crime: yes
[03:41] <samuel> sup all, does anyone know how to disable this sudo business in ubuntu? if i take my username off of the admin group is it safe? no problems right?
[03:41] <edgeoc> I'm not sure if I overlooked it on the site anywhere, so please forgive me, but is there a ballpark release date set for Ubuntu 5 final?
[03:41] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:41] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:41] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:41] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:41] <dcraven> samuel, running "sudo passwd" will set the root password.
[03:42] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[03:42] <Flonne> edgeoc, Hoary will be out on the 8th; its hour of release will be announced soonish.
[03:42] <edgeoc> The 8th of this month? thats tomorrow
[03:42] <samuel> dcraven, thanks, done that, i was looking at the sudoers file and it seems i am a member of the admin group... is it safe to take me off of it?
[03:42] <Flonne> Yes, it is.
[03:42] <edgeoc> Nice
[03:42] <edgeoc> Good news, thanks
[03:43] <dcraven> samuel, why am I thinking adm is the one... I'm not sure which group it is now!
[03:43] <dcraven> What is the adm group?
[03:43] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:44] <samuel> dcraven, ive got the hoary RC and i dont have an adm group, i DO have an admin group
[03:44] <bulfaiter> does anyone know why do I get an error 29 with grub while trying to boot a freedos partition?
[03:44] <cens0red> is there anywhere I can find a list of all available ubuntu deb/rpm packages in repositories? A bit like rpmfind.net for ubuntu?
[03:44] <McScruff> how do i log in as root in the home folder
[03:44] <bulfaiter> www.apt-get.org
[03:44] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, its ripping
[03:44] <dcraven> samuel, oh.. Then it's probably safe :)... I wonder why I'm in adm too?
[03:45] <crimsun> cens0red: not necessary. We have universe and multiverse, and for Breezy we'll have even more packages.
[03:45] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, under volume control should i be using alsa or oss?
[03:45] <McScruff> how do i log in as root in konqueror
[03:45] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: alsa, preferably
[03:45] <samuel> dcraven, thx - i dont like to use root unless i su on purpose...
[03:45] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, under multimedia systems selector what should i be using?
[03:45] <jbm__> Anyone care to crush my hopes of installing Ubuntu dual-boot on BIOS RAID 0?
[03:45] <cens0red> what is universe & multiverse?
[03:45] <chaotic_linux> How do i play dvd's on linux?
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <[HK] -r00t-> h8crime, QUIT SPAMMING
[03:46] <cens0red> chaotic_linux mplayer is a good package.
[03:46] <SysFail> you dumbass
[03:46] <libben> that dont help h8crime but its a good way to get attention
[03:46] <libben> his just frustrated
[03:46] <h8crime> lol
[03:46] <libben> cmon... let he be
[03:46] <h8crime> well no one is helmping me :(
[03:46] <libben> whats the problem
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:47] <dcraven> samuel, yeah.. I think the "admin" group is used in the visudo stuff. You'll be fine I think.
[03:47] <libben> ill try to act as i was listning... and if i can help... i will
[03:47] <dcraven> h8crime, nobody is helping you because you are being rude, even when warned.
[03:47] <libben> you have UNinstalled Horay?
[03:47] <FenixRF> dcraven, the ndiswrapper source... contains a compiled version of the ndiswrapper utility
[03:48] <fsapo> hi.. anybody knows how to make gmailfs to work?
[03:48] <jbm__> h8crime i recommend unplugging your network connection
[03:48] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, its done...
[03:48] <cens0red> has anybody got a link one what universe & multiverse are?
[03:48] <FenixRF> dcraven, so I don't think I'll need to compile it... will I?
[03:48] <dcraven> FenixRF, yeah.. When you compile the ndiswrapper source it will produce 2 debs. One for the modules and one for the utils.
[03:48] <samuel> i dont know about you guys but ignore is very easy to use for me
[03:48] <fsapo> i m getting this when i try to mount fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[03:48] <Flonne> cens0red, community-supported, and non-open packages.
[03:49] <dcraven> FenixRF, if you have the kernel headers installed all you have to do is enter the untarred ndiswrapper directory and type "make deb".
[03:49] <cens0red> Flonne is that like a deb/rpm repository?
[03:49] <FenixRF> ok
[03:49] <mdz> cens0red: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <dcraven> FenixRF, it was nice of them to include the deb make target I thought :)
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <lamont> nsvl
[03:49] <Flonne> cens0red, yes. They're .deb repositories.
[03:49] <lamont> back, even
[03:49] <dcraven> Will someone kick that ass.
[03:49] <chaotic_linux> how do i put somthing in a source.list
[03:49] <Nekohayoo> wth is wrong with him?
[03:49] <Flonne> Thanks, mdz. :)
[03:50] <dcraven> thanks mdz
[03:50] <Nekohayoo> :)
[03:50] <FenixRF> dcraven, where do I get the headers from?
[03:50] <McScruff> please can someone help :(
[03:50] <Flonne> Though you kinda took out all of British Columbia...
[03:50] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done building packages
[03:50] <chaotic_linux> how do i put somthing in a source.list
[03:50] <Flonne> chaotic_linux, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <cens0red> Flonne is there anywhere or anyway I can look through these repositories to find out what packages are available?
[03:51] <dcraven> FenixRF, the kernel headers? I thought you said they were installed. I hope they are on the CD since there is no network connection to that machine.
[03:51] <jbm__> Can anyone help me to load a software RAID driver before install from cd? howto do this?
[03:51] <Nekohayoo> McScruff, gksudo konqueror?
[03:51] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: ls ../*.deb
[03:51] <Nekohayoo> (not sure at all)
[03:51] <Flonne> cens0red, you could add them, then use Synaptic to browse. Synaptic should indicate which repository every package comes from (IIRC).
[03:51] <forbes882002> how come i can't use Ubuntu x86 on a x86-64?
[03:52] <Flonne> What do you mean, forbes882002?
[03:52] <forbes882002> It will not install
[03:52] <forbes882002> Live will not
[03:52] <cens0red> Flonne how do u add them in mandrake linux?
[03:52] <FenixRF> dcraven, yeah... sorry, it's late... I'm tired :)
[03:52] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[03:53] <Flonne> cens0red, I have no idea. I spent about two hours with Drake.
[03:53] <FenixRF> dcraven, I tried the make deb ... got an error about fakeroot no command found
[03:53] <dcraven> FenixRF, typing this in the term on your wife's machine will tell you the exact package name "echo linux-headers-`uname -r`" minus the normal quotes but WITH the back quotes.
[03:53] <lamont> McScruff: sorry - still working on that disk?
[03:53] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[03:53] <cens0red> Flonne thanx.
[03:53] <dcraven> FenixRF, crud... Yeah. Hopefully there is a package on the cd called fakeroot too? And build-essential?
[03:53] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[03:54] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: reboot
[03:54] <dcraven> Silly Linux distrobutions that don't install gcc by default....
[03:54] <[HK] -r00t-> k
[03:54] <forbes882002> is Hp 640b Linux campitible?
[03:54] <scottj> is mesa software opengl or hardware?
[03:54] <cens0red> I just want to know if there's some way I can browse the repositories without having to install ubuntu first.
[03:54] <Flonne> scottj, it's software.
[03:54] <forbes882002> it's a DVD Burner
[03:54] <dcraven> FenixRF, we're just trying to get some packages installed now that will allow us to build the modules successfully is all :)
[03:54] <lamont> cens0red: well, if you're into raw packages files...
[03:55] <Flonne> cens0red, what packages do you want?
[03:55] <scottj> how do I get hardware gl w/ ati radeon 7500?
[03:55] <lamont> cens0red: source package list (and build status) can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.$arch
[03:55] <forbes882002> is Hp 640b DVD Burner Linux campitible?
[03:55] <EvilIdler> forbes882002: I have yet to see a burner that didn't work in Linux
[03:55] <Flonne> And you can just crawl the FTPs with a browser...
[03:55] <Flonne> forbes882002, offhand, I'd say "probably", but you should be able to find the answer with a quick Google search.
[03:56] <libben> no uodates this day?
[03:56] <libben> updates
[03:56] <Flonne> libben, maybe it means they've frozen everything in preparation for the release.
[03:56] <EvilIdler> forbes882002: The hardware is often made by one of the big manufacturers and relabelled by HP, so you have a very good chance of it working
[03:56] <toresbe> EvilIdler: you weren't a linux user in the mid-nineties ;)
[03:56] <libben> Flonne, =) dident think of that
[03:57] <libben> so what does that means for us? when they release it... we just keep updating? and were good?
[03:57] <jbm__> need help installing on RAID 0 array, is this possible with ubuntu, installer shows my 2 drives as seperate entities?
[03:57] <lamont> libben: I know of only 4 packages that have changed in the last 30 hours or so
[03:57] <Flonne> libben, that's the way it should work, yes.
[03:57] <lamont> well, ubuntu-main that is
[03:57] <toresbe> man, trickle rocks
[03:57] <cens0red> lamont I kind of prefer pre built binaries.
[03:57] <cens0red> but thanx lamont
[03:58] <fruggle> hi folks! Is this http://www.tmtm.org/cgi-bin/w3ml/sylpheed/msg/24429 going to be fixed in warty release?
[03:58] <cens0red> Flonne mysql, checkinstall, just off the top of my head.
[03:58] <lamont> cens0red: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is the top of the tree...
[03:58] <Flonne> cens0red, just point a web browser at the FTP address of the repository you want to look at.
[03:58] <cens0red> thanx.
[03:58] <lamont> cens0red: I was thinking you wanted to see what was in it, vs grabbing biniaries to play with
[03:58] <cens0red> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is the top of the ftp archive for binary distributions?
[03:59] <libben> wonders how much more we need to update for it..
[03:59] <libben> hmm
[03:59] <libben> im tipping 100 mb
[03:59] <Flonne> Yes, cens0red. That's the main mirror.
[03:59] <Wyld> howdy guys .. got a question .. i want to run bitchx in console, but would rather the console be in 50x25 mode .. any assistance in how to do this?
[03:59] <cens0red> lamont I use mandrake. It's the only distro I've ever used. I hate installing stuff from source, so I'm very very binary package/repository dependent.
[04:00] <lamont> libben: I think you'll find that once you finish any upgrade started within the last 20 hours or so, there won't be much difference for packages in main if you do it again...
[04:00] <Flonne> cens0red, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/ Have fun exploring.
[04:00] <FenixRF> dcraven, pardon my absences...
[04:00] <libben> lamont, true.
[04:00] <dcraven> FenixRF, not a problem dude :)
[04:00] <libben> ive been updating this every 4 times atleast
[04:00] <FenixRF> dcraven, ok... I used apt-get to get fakeroot and gcc
[04:00] <lamont> cens0red: ok.  What I pointed you at was the list of packages that are built/etc... for the repository, you'll want to start at archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, and  look under pool
[04:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, good stuff.. heh. Now maybe "make deb" will work.
[04:01] <lamont> libben: it's been a busy week, you see...
[04:01] <black_Nightmare> hey there..hard hardware modification question for you.....
[04:01] <FenixRF> dcraven... I also didn't have the headers installed... but there was a package with them... so I brought them in
[04:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, so far so good dude.
[04:01] <FenixRF> dcraven, now, I also ran make deb ... so I have two .deb files
[04:01] <libben> a busy and a good week
[04:01] <lamont> black_Nightmare: if you let the smoke out, the parts don't work any more...
[04:01] <cens0red> lamont ta.
[04:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, right on.
[04:01] <FenixRF> dcraven, what's next?
[04:01] <black_Nightmare> if i find a used slimline cdrom in good running condition -- could it withstand the usual road shocks and still keep a cdr playing?
[04:01] <black_Nightmare> lamont :)) very funny
[04:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, Okay. Do a "sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-utils-whatever.deb"
[04:02] <lamont> black_Nightmare: that's really more of a manufacturer question...
[04:02] <dcraven> FenixRF, then a "sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-modules-whatever.deb"
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> also aside to that question..any idea about stuck a cdr to a laptop tray permamently?
[04:02] <lamont> alot of current CD readers are reasonably bounce proof, although they may wind up slowing down their read speed
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> like keep it held down that is
[04:02] <lamont> ew
[04:02] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, back
[04:02] <FenixRF> dcraven, k... I'm in a sudo -s session at the moment... so I'll skip the sudo parts :)
[04:02] <lamont> it has to spin, you see, so what you really want is to attach it to hte part of the drive that doesn't come out for you to play wityh
[04:02] <cens0red> does apt-get give u a description of all the packages in your repositories? As well as tell you which packages you need to install as their dependencies?
[04:02] <dcraven> FenixRF, good call.
[04:03] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, anything else that i should do? as of now, still no sound
[04:03] <lamont> cens0red: if you're just trying to fetch a file to look at, that'd be dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:03] <Flonne> Yes, cens0red. It will describe anything you search for and handle dependencies.
[04:03] <xophEr> just compiled a new kernel, but this is what I get when trying to run it: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) , whats wrong?
[04:04] <cens0red> Flonne thanx.
[04:04] <lamont> otherwise, if you've actually done apt-get update, then you can say apt-cache show or apt-cache search to look at the packages file
[04:04] <cens0red> lamont ok
[04:04] <CarlK> xophEr - good chance you don't have support for the / file system
[04:04] <casimir> xophEr, you need the module for your filesystem on boot
[04:04] <cens0red> I might install this on another partition.
[04:04] <lamont> cens0red: actually, when you tell apt to install something, it just installs the dependencies (after checking with you)
[04:04] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: need amixer output again
[04:04] <lamont> rather than telling you that you have more work
[04:04] <occy> anyone here use qemu?
[04:04] <FenixRF> dcraven, I tried to use ndiswrapper -i previously from the binaries that were in the ndiswrapper source...
[04:04] <Flonne> And if it exists for Drake, it almost certainly exists for Ubuntu. Especially common things like MySQL.
[04:04] <libben> what do i get when i install boot:base? debian base or what?
[04:05] <cens0red> lamont yeah sounds like exactly what I'm used to.
[04:05] <occy> need a good one-liner to get winxp booted
[04:05] <FenixRF> dcraven, when I do a ndiswrapper -l , it shows an invalid windows driver ... how can I blow that away?
[04:05] <casimir> xophEr, mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd /lib/modules/[kernel-version] 
[04:05] <lamont> cens0red: good
[04:05] <dcraven> FenixRF, "rm -rf /etc/ndiswrapper"
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> lamont -- ty I was wondering about running an os off cdrom drive (and it STAYS put inside the slimline tray too heh)
[04:05] <lamont> libben: you mean when you type 'server' to the boot: prompt in the install?
[04:05] <FenixRF> dcraven, very good... and when I install the windows driver... use the XP one?
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> then perhaps used CF or something for external/setting storage
[04:05] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/268698
[04:05] <QMario> How do I install a Windows printer driver onto a Linux computer on the network?
[04:05] <libben> oooh.. was it server =) thought it was base =)
[04:05] <libben> lamont, yes
[04:05] <lamont> black_Nightmare: CF might be better
[04:05] <black_Nightmare> a mechanical-less system that is
[04:05] <dcraven> FenixRF, we aren't done witht he modules yet... Slow downdude.
[04:05] <libben> server =)
[04:05] <dcraven> hehe
[04:06] <lamont> libben you get ubuntu-base and it's depenencies
[04:06] <jbm__> my windows machine seems 2 times as fast now that i have it running RAID 0, I sure do wish that you could do that in linux!
[04:06] <cens0red> lamont one problem might be tht I'm on dialup. Will I have to spend days/weeks downloading stuff?
[04:06] <black_Nightmare> lamont.. CF has eeprom doesn't it?  or is the r/w limit not as bad as I am thinking it is?
[04:06] <libben> so is that better then debian plain install ?
[04:06] <lamont> cens0red: install iso is ~600MB give or take
[04:06] <FenixRF> dcraven, hehe... ok... what's next with the modules...
[04:06] <lamont> black_Nightmare: CF is pretty good these days
[04:06] <FenixRF> dcraven,  ... I've already modprobed them in :)
[04:06] <dcraven> FenixRF, the install path in the ndiswrapper.spec file we used to build the .debs was incorrect by default so we need to fool the kernel into thinking the module is in the right place.
[04:06] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: ok, for 1.0.8 you need to turn External Amplifier and Headphone Jack Sense both on
[04:06] <lamont> black_Nightmare: likewise, most laptop harddrives these days are pretty car-proof
[04:07] <cens0red> lamont yeah but my last mandrake install came on 5 disks, and I still had to download 350 meg + in updates. :/
[04:07] <lamont> libben: apt-cache show ubuntu-base
[04:07] <dcraven> FenixRF, "modprobe -r ndiswrapper". You loaded the old modules.
[04:07] <Flonne> cens0red, you can order CDs, or just bug a friend to download/burn it for you.
[04:07] <black_Nightmare> lamont...hmm guess you might have a point....
[04:07] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: and Master Mono off
[04:07] <lamont> cens0red: depends on what you want...  see http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds
[04:07] <Flonne> cens0red, wait until tomorrow; the release should be fine as is.
[04:07] <lamont> the ship, desktop, and base seeds are all on the 1 iso
[04:07] <jbm__> apt-get raid-0 ????
[04:08] <cens0red> Flonne what gets released tomorrow? Hoary?
[04:08] <lamont> black_Nightmare: my car-computer is going to have a harddrive
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> well I'm going to bed now..quite a bit tired
[04:08] <grahamoz> anyone tryed ubuntu linux its awesome
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> bye now :p
[04:08] <lamont> cens0red: hoary gets released in a few hours
[04:08] <lamont> although the archive is not expected to change much
[04:08] <cens0red> lamont this must be exciting!!
[04:08] <lamont> == 0
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> lamont..I dunno about my idea at all yet..not sure if it'll be actually in-board or not..whatever but then thanks for your tip.
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> bye :p
[04:08] <lamont> cens0red: hectic
[04:08] <FenixRF> dcraven, brb ...
[04:08] <dcraven> FenixRF, first backup the original module just because it's a good idea.. "mv /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko ~/
[04:08] <lamont> black_Nightmare: np
[04:08] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[04:09] <lamont> cens0red: if gnome, linux 2.6.10, and xorg are what you want, there's almost nothing you need to install beyond the original iso.
[04:10] <dcraven> FenixRF, then make a symlink to the new module that is installed in the wrong place "ln -s /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/misc/ndiswrapper.ko /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko"
[04:10] <lamont> cens0red: likewise, shipit.ubuntu.com, and you can get CD's shipped to you
[04:10] <lamont> albeit in a week or 10
[04:10] <dcraven> FenixRF, long paths, simple commands :)
[04:10] <fsapo> anyone could make me a favor? see if it is acessible: http://xgn.no-ip.org:8080
[04:11] <lamont> cens0red: and if you're downloading off of dialup, you'll want to wait for the release announcement to go get the release ISO, rather than fetching the RC - there were, um, a few MB of changes...
[04:11] <lamont> for pretty-sizable-for-dialup-users values of 'few'
[04:11] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done, still no sound from totem, xmms, etc..
[04:11] <dcraven> FenixRF, obviously you have to change the "whatever" part of those commands to match your running kernel :)
[04:12] <lamont> fsapo: either 'no', or very, very, very slow
[04:12] <bur[n] er> anyone else have issues with update-notifier not showing hte system tray applet?  it comes up quick, then disappears
[04:13] <fsapo> lamont, thanx.. i dont know how i can manage higher ports than 1024 to be accessible
[04:13] <Obsidians> I've seen on some of the starter guides that I should install the Linux kernel image appropriate for my computer. I've got an Athlon XP-M, and I think that I currently have the -386 kernel installed. Basically, whatever came on the cd. What should I do?
[04:13] <dcraven> bur[n] er, update-notifier does have weird habits... I just assume that I'm not familiar with what it does yet.
[04:13] <marcin_ant> hi all
[04:14] <marcin_ant> I got short question
[04:14] <marcin_ant> where shoud I put additional parameters for hdparm?
[04:14] <marcin_ant> to enable them on system start?
[04:14] <bur[n] er> heh, thanks dcraven... i wish its habits weren't crashing the icon ;)
[04:14] <dcraven> marcin_ant, /etc/hdparm.conf
[04:14] <fsapo> lamont, could u try it again.. http://xgn.no-ip.org change the port to 80 but i think it is blocked =/
[04:15] <cens0red> ]  <lamont> cens0red: and if you're downloading off of dialup, you'll want to wait for the release announcement to go get the release ISO, rather than fetching the RC - there were, um, a few MB of changes... // how long do u reckn?
[04:15] <fruggle> Obsidians: what about 686 ;)
[04:15] <CarlK> what do I need to init.d/something start to get mount -t nfs to work?  (it seems kinda hung right now)
[04:15] <lamont> cens0red: ??
[04:16] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, you there?
[04:16] <FenixRF> dcraven, ok
[04:16] <FenixRF> dcraven, modules are moved...
[04:16] <CarlK> huh - it finished after about 2 min
[04:16] <Obsidians> fruggle: So I go to that, not K7? And how do I do that? Can I just do it in Synaptic?
[04:16] <FenixRF> dcraven, when I try to modprobe the new module... I get an error inserting the module ... Operation Not Permitted
[04:16] <lamont> fsapo: still no joy
[04:16] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, in xmms, when i use alsa plugin, it shows two cards, hw:0,0 and hw:0,4
[04:17] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, but if i do a amixer -c4 there is nothing
[04:17] <lamont> cens0red: few hours.
[04:17] <dcraven> FenixRF, does "lsmod | grep ndiswrapper" show anything?
[04:17] <FenixRF> dcraven, nope
[04:17] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, you there?
[04:18] <fruggle> Obsidians: linux-image-686 should be fine ... sorry dont know anything about >synaptic<.
[04:18] <dcraven> FenixRF, hmmm..
[04:18] <dcraven> FenixRF, gimme a minute?
[04:18] <FenixRF> dcraven, I noticed that when hotplug was loading up ... abour 4 or 5 modules had the same error when inserting
[04:19] <marcin_ant> dcraven: hmm and what about /etc/rcS.d/S07hdparm?
[04:19] <FenixRF> s/abour/about
[04:19] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: what does /proc/asound/cards contain?
[04:19] <Obsidians> fruggle: Alright, can I just "apt-get install linux-image-k7"? Is that all I have to do to change kernels?
[04:19] <fsapo> lamont, thanx.. just one last try =/ can u try it: http://xgn.no-ip.org:1000
[04:19] <lamont> Obsidians: that and reboot, of course.
[04:19] <dcraven> marcin_ant, rename it to S42hdparm.
[04:20] <[HK] -r00t-> one card
[04:20] <Obsidians> lamont: Alright, thanx. I'll give it a shot!
[04:20] <lamont> fsapo: sorry... no joy
[04:20] <fruggle> Obsidians: yes and maybe modify /boot/grub/menu.lst ... if you want to
[04:20] <fsapo> lamont, :( yesterday that port was working
[04:20] <lamont> fruggle: it should just wind up showing a list
[04:21] <dcraven> FenixRF, maybe the driver needs to be loaded with "ndiswrapper -i whatever.inf" first... Try that.
[04:21] <marcin_ant> dcraven: and.... add options in this file?
[04:21] <lamont> that is, the default grub shows all the kernels
[04:21] <|QuaD-> does ubuntu come wiht a vnc viewer?
[04:21] <dcraven> marcin_ant, no. You just added the options to /etc/hdparm.conf correct?
[04:21] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, it shows hw:0,0 the ICH4 i8x0
[04:21] <fsapo> lamont, turned of the firewall.. can u refresh it? http://xgn.no-ip.org:1000
[04:21] <marcin_ant> not yet
[04:21] <FenixRF> dcraven, k
[04:21] <marcin_ant> dcraven: not yet
[04:21] <dcraven> marcin_ant, renaming that file just changes the order in which things are done in the boot sequence.
[04:21] <lamont> |QuaD-: vino is in main
[04:22] <lamont> and installed by default
[04:22] <|QuaD-> isn't that a server?
[04:22] <marcin_ant> dcraven: ok I'll try and will see
[04:22] <marcin_ant> dcraven: thx for now
[04:23] <scottj> "You system has opengl version '1.2 Mesa 6.2.1'. Glest needs at least version 1.3 to work." Synaptic says I have the latest xlibmesa-dri, but I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing or if I have to change xorg.conf to enable DRI. anyone know?
[04:23] <|QuaD-> lamont: isn't that a server?
[04:23] <blacklabel> how long til hoary stable?
[04:23] <FenixRF> dcraven, jackpot :)
[04:23] <fruggle> blacklabel: couple of hours?
[04:23] <lamont> |QuaD-: doh.  xvncviewer
[04:23] <lamont> same story
[04:23] <FenixRF> now all I have to do is remember my wep key :)
[04:23] <blacklabel> ok
[04:23] <dcraven> marcin_ant, it works ;). Edit the /etc/hdparm.conf file accordingly and rename the /etc/rcS.d/ file to a higher priority.
[04:23] <|QuaD-> lamont: is it installed by default?
[04:24] <dcraven> FenixRF, cool. So the module is loaded, and "ndiswrapper -l" looks fine?
[04:24] <lamont> yes
[04:24] <FenixRF> dcraven, yep
[04:24] <|QuaD-> lamont: ok :)
[04:24] <dcraven> FenixRF, right on. Now do a "ndiswrapper -m" to make init entries so that the module will load automagically at boot.
[04:26] <CrashTECH> <-- score
[04:26] <FenixRF> dcraven, did that already
[04:27] <CrashTECH> for anybody who saw me lastnight... installing Horay fix'd all my hardware issues, I even have sound
[04:27] <FenixRF> dcraven, creating the wlan0 profile now ... brb ... will need quick instruction on how to update ubuntu once I have network connectivity :)
[04:27] <lucychili> nice crash =)
[04:28] <dcraven> CrashTECH, glad to hear it !
[04:28] <mathmatt> how do you determine a specific process ID (PID) from the terminal.  I try using top, but I can't find a way to view processes that don't fit on the screen.
[04:28] <dcraven> FenixRF, you know what you are doing more that you are admitting methinks :)
[04:28] <scottj> anyone have the url of the page where you can search ubuntu packages for a file?
[04:29] <dholbach> mathmatt: ps afx
[04:29] <FenixRF> dcraven, I use Gentoo Linux ... I know my way around Gentoo, Slack, LFS, and RH/FC ... but I've never used Debian in my life ... nor Ubuntu
[04:30] <mathmatt> dholbach: thanks!
[04:30] <TwEeT> hey
[04:30] <dcraven> FenixRF, bah... You'll find it easy. I used Gentoo for over 2 years untill ~two weeks ago.
[04:30] <dcraven> well maybe a month...
[04:30] <TwEeT> Is there a way that I can mount a SMB share at bootup that doesn't have a password?
[04:31] <frank> anyone know how to make mplayer resize video? I make the window bigger but the video stays the same size?
[04:31] <TwEeT> Is there an option where i can tell it not to use a user or password?
[04:31] <TwEeT> in fstab?
[04:32] <fruggle> dcraven: dont you like gentoo anymore? ;)
[04:32] <dholbach> TwEeT: man mount -> smbfs section
[04:32] <ctrlER> will Ubuntu 5.04 be available for download at 00:00 or later in the day? (I wanna now if I should go to sleep or wait...)
[04:32] <Psoulocybe> hi guys
[04:32] <Psoulocybe> i'm having a problem where firefox is just crashing my system
[04:32] <lamont> ctrlER: in what TZ?
[04:32] <Psoulocybe> anyone else have this problem before?
[04:32] <scottj> anyone know how to get mesa 1.3 on ubuntu?
[04:33] <ctrlER> im in portugal, but im watching the foruns time
[04:33] <dcraven> fruggle, I do love Gentoo, but my habits changed and now Debuntu suits better I think.
[04:33] <ctrlER> lamont: portugal=UTC
[04:33] <fruggle> dcraven: yes i know what you are talking about though ;)
[04:34] <dcraven> ctrlER, I'd get some sleep if I were you.
[04:34] <lamont> ctrlER: I don't precisely know
[04:34] <lamont> sleep is always good
[04:34] <lamont> and the torrents will be running hard for a good long time
[04:34] <Arnia> dcraven: Nice term 'debuntu'
[04:34] <ctrlER> lamont: thanks
[04:34] <dcraven> ctrlER, there will still be some left when you get up :)
[04:34] <awb4422> When I try to play dvd's, I get an error related to not having rights to /dev/hda (my dvd drive). This used to work actually, but it stopped recently. Any ideas as to what I can do to give rights to my user?
[04:34] <dcraven> Arnia, hehe.. Thanks.
[04:35] <ctrlER> lamont: where are the torrent links?
[04:35] <lamont> might even be the right ones...
[04:35] <dcraven> Arnia, beats 'Debian/Ubuntu'.
[04:35] <lamont> they'll be on releases.ubuntu.com
[04:35] <lamont> and mentioned prominantly in the release announcement
[04:36] <dcraven> Those torrents are gonna be smokin' for the next couple of days... haha
[04:36] <lamont> awb4422: check what group it put /dev/hda in - should be 'cdrom'
[04:36] <FenixRF> dcraven, ok... I seem to have hit a roadblock
[04:36] <lamont> and you'd want to be in that group in /etc/group
[04:36] <dcraven> FenixRF, Nooo!
[04:36] <awb4422> lamont: how do i check that
[04:36] <lamont> applications->system tools->terminal
[04:36] <lamont> ls -l /dev/hda
[04:36] <lamont> grep cdrom: /etc/group
[04:37] <SiRrUs> good evening
[04:37] <FenixRF> dcraven, I have the profile created for wlan0 ... I entered in the wep key ... I placed my hosts name in a hosts file ...
[04:37] <ctrlER> btw, ubuntu forums and developers use the forum time as "official time"?
[04:37] <FenixRF> dcraven, it says that it's active ... but I don't have network connectivity
[04:37] <lamont> ctrlER: dunno what the forum uses, but I use "data-center time" == London
[04:37] <dcraven> FenixRF, you did "dhclient wlan0" or "ifup wlan0"?
[04:38] <lamont> ctrlER: since that's the TZ on all the machines I work on...
[04:38] <Obsidians> I'm trying to use grubconf, and it always says "wrong password". What's going on?
[04:38] <awb4422> lamont: the first command showed that /dev/hda is in the disk group, which my user belongs to. The second command showed the cdrom group, which my user belongs to
[04:38] <ctrlER> :) we use the same TZ then...
[04:38] <lamont> awb4422: and the permissions on the file were -rw-------, yes?
[04:38] <pfr> i installed the first stage of ubuntu 4.1 on a proliant3000 server and upon reboot with no media installed i get a non-system disk error.  is there a switch to get lilo to boot to scsi drives?
[04:38] <lamont> first column
[04:39] <dholbach> Obsidians: i strongly discourage you from using it, users reported it broke their configuration
[04:39] <awb4422> lamont: brw-rw----  1 root disk 3, 0 2005-04-07 14:59 /dev/hda
[04:39] <lamont> hrm.. if you're in the disk group, you should be able to open the device
[04:39] <FenixRF> dcraven, ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
[04:39] <woodwizzle> i have a big problem: I've installed a buncha SDL-dev packages that I need to compile a program from CVS. However when running the ./configure I get warnings saying all the packages are present but unusable. Why???
[04:39] <scottj> come on guys, one of you has to play games. How do you get Mesa to use opengl 1.3 not opengl1.2?
[04:39] <FenixRF> dcraven, route add default gw 192.168.0.2
[04:39] <FenixRF> :)
[04:40] <dholbach> Obsidians: that's why the hoary release won't have it anymore
[04:40] <dcraven> FenixRF, that smile mean it worked?
[04:40] <dcraven> FenixRF, obviously you aren't a wireless newb :)
[04:40] <FenixRF> dcraven, nope ...
[04:41] <FenixRF> umm... ubuntu is hung trying to ntp to ubuntu time server
[04:41] <FenixRF> (I did a reboot)
[04:41] <pagefault> press ctrl-c
[04:41] <lamont> woodwizzle: what does config.log say?
[04:41] <dholbach> FenixRF: seems you have no network
[04:41] <dcraven> FenixRF, did you get a connection before you rebooted?
[04:42] <dcraven> FenixRF, cause you don't have one now.
[04:42] <dcraven> FenixRF, check dmesg for errors with the ndiswrapper module.
[04:43] <FenixRF> dcraven, no...
[04:43] <woodwizzle> lamont: what should I be looking for?
[04:43] <fruggle> FenixRF: ctrl+c while trying to ntp ubuntu time server ;)
[04:43] <FenixRF> ... can ping myself just fine...
[04:44] <FenixRF> ... but get Destination Host Unreachable when trying to ping the AP
[04:44] <FenixRF> fruggle, or let it time out while talking to dcraven :)
[04:44] <fruggle> FenixRF: yeah lol
[04:44] <FenixRF> dcraven, doesn't appear to be any errors
[04:44] <dcraven> FenixRF, sounds like the hardware at least is kinda maybe working though.
[04:46] <lamont> woodwizzle: dunno... down towards the end of the file will be the failed step, from there it's "figure out why it's mad"
[04:46] <lamont> :-(
[04:46] <FenixRF> dcraven, yeah... I'll agree... the onlything that wlan0 complains about is the lack of IPv6 routers
[04:46] <dcraven> FenixRF, mine does the same I beleive.
[04:46] <lamont> woodwizzle: config.log is where all the detail for the very terse configure output goes
[04:47] <dcraven> FenixRF, so "iwlist wlan0 scan" shows no results?
[04:47] <woodwizzle> lamont: well there is this for all the SDL packages: checking SDL.h usability... no
[04:47] <woodwizzle> checking SDL.h presence... yes
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h: present but cannot be compiled
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h:     check for missing prerequisite headers?
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h: see the Autoconf documentation
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h:     section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled"
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING: SDL.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING:     ## ------------------------------------------ ##
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING:     ## Report this to davidnwhite@optusnet.com.au ##
[04:47] <billyoc> hoo boy
[04:47] <woodwizzle> configure: WARNING:     ## ------------------------------------------ ##
[04:47] <dcraven> Oh my.
[04:47] <FenixRF> dcraven, ok... I'll try that out
[04:48] <daniels> woodwizzle: please don't paste quite so much
[04:48] <dcraven> woodwizzle, pastebin.com
[04:48] <woodwizzle> sorry. Thought that amount would be ok. I'll use #flood from now on
[04:48] <TwEeT> Does anyone know how to have a script run at boot
[04:48] <woodwizzle> There is the same set of warnings for ALL the sdl packages that are required.
[04:49] <FenixRF> dcraven, "No scan results"
[04:49] <woodwizzle> i find it odd that they are located but unusable.
[04:49] <lamont> woodwizzle: there's going to be a cc invocation somewhere around there taht has actual gcc errors :)
[04:49] <Cueball> Hi. All my system fonts on this PC are way too large. Any way to fix this? On my other PC it's fine. Both run Hoary
[04:49] <billyoc> TwEeT: a symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ will run it.
[04:50] <billyoc> TwEeT: start it with a 'S'
[04:50] <TwEeT> What do you mean start it with an S?
[04:50] <dcraven> FenixRF, the rest is beyond me. This exactly happens to me every time I install ndiswrapper and I still don't know how I fix it.. heh
[04:51] <dcraven> FenixRF, I just play with iwconfig settings now. Maybe see if you can connect if you disable MAC filtering or WEP at the router?
[04:51] <FC-tooki> what are the system requirements of ubuntu???
[04:51] <FenixRF> was just going to do that
[04:51] <dcraven> dcraven, you are allowing that MAC to connect right? haha
[04:51] <woodwizzle> hmm, may have found the problem "g++: command not found"
[04:51] <dcraven> woodwizzle, install build-essential
[04:52] <lamont> FC-tooki: my daughter has it on a 333MHz box with 128MB of RAM - but she puts up with a bit of swapping...
[04:52] <woodwizzle> although I have ubuntus g++ 3.3
[04:52] <billyoc> TwEeT: look at all the other symlinks in /etc/rc2.d, they start with a capital S.
[04:52] <RastaMahata> hello
[04:52] <woodwizzle> dcraven: ok thanks, I'll try that!
[04:52] <FC-tooki> i have 64 of ram... is too low??
[04:52] <lamont> woodwizzle: definitely want build-essential installed
[04:52] <lamont> FC-tooki: it'll probably run, but please don't complain that it's slow... :-(
[04:52] <FC-tooki> lol, thanks
[04:52] <samuel> how do i configure the sudoers file to make it ask for the root password whenever admin rights are required?
[04:53] <woodwizzle> Ah, I thought installing gcc and automake would do it. Wasn't priv to Ubunutu's package. Thanks!
[04:54] <libben> how can i check what i have  installed? in redhat i would type rpm -qa
[04:54] <EvilIdler> woodwizzle: gcc is just the C frontend - you need g++ and a few libs it depends on
[04:54] <lamont> dpkg -l
[04:54] <FenixRF_> ok ... what are the chances that another driver is blocking?
[04:54] <EvilIdler> libben: dpkg -l | grep ii
[04:54] <FenixRF_> dcraven, I seem to remember ubuntu trying to load the ACX 100 driver ...
[04:54] <FenixRF_> ... which doesn't have WEP support
[04:54] <lamont> EvilIdler: well, if you just want the happily installed stuff
[04:55] <dcraven> FenixRF, hmmm.. as a module? You know what it's called?
[04:55] <FenixRF_> dcraven, no ... but lsmod might help
[04:55] <EvilIdler> lamont: Yeah, it felt like that's what libben meant ;)
[04:55] <dcraven> FenixRF, probably acx100
[04:55] <Obsidians> When I try to play MP3s in XMMS, it freezes. They work fine in Xine.
[04:55] <Obsidians> What's wrong?
[04:56] <lamont> EvilIdler: I'm personally more likely to do dpkg -l | grep -v ^rc, but that's just me...
[04:56] <libben> lamont, =) what more would i want =)
[04:56] <dcraven> FenixRF, my stock config does have CONFIG_ACX100=m, so it's quite possible.. haha
[04:56] <FenixRF_> dcraven, how 'bout acx_pci ... sound close enough?
[04:56] <lamont> libben: the first two characters are the status of the package...
[04:56] <libben> and if ur sure on the name. dpkg -l ii
[04:56] <dcraven> FenixRF, sounds good to me.
[04:56] <EvilIdler> lamont: Well, I do the weekly dpkg -l | sort |less, followed by various purges :)
[04:56] <libben> u mean the ii ?
[04:56] <TwEeT> Are there any wireless guides out there?
[04:57] <libben> ii  cksfv          1.3-3          sfv checker and generator
[04:57] <libben> so ii tells me its installed
[04:57] <TwEeT> And are there any good programs such as Zero Configuration in Windoze?
[04:57] <libben> what would it tell me if it wasnt installed..
[04:58] <FenixRF_> k ... brb ...
[04:58] <lamont> libben: dpkg -l just lists packages that are installed, or partially installed
[04:59] <lamont> dpkg -l <package> gives you the status of a package
[04:59] <lamont> s/a pacakge/<package>
[04:59] <EvilIdler> -l will also show those that HAVE been installed (un)
[04:59] <EvilIdler> Plus lots of inbetweens
[05:00] <libben> Man i love having my xchat on 6000 scroll lines... and then log the channel =) and cat ~/.xchat2/logs/#ubuntu.log | grep libben /// so that u can check what uve asked and got answered all day.
[05:01] <FenixRF_> dcraven, still alive?
[05:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, barely.. haha That was the righ module btw.. acx_pci.
[05:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, well the wrong module actually.
[05:01] <FenixRF_> ok... I unloaded it... still b0rked
[05:01] <dcraven> FenixRF, you know what i mean.
[05:02] <samuel> is there any way to change all the gksudo to gksu in the menus or get sudo to ask for the root password?
[05:02] <FenixRF_> how do I permanently unload the beast...
[05:02] <Obsidians> Why isn't MPlayer in Synaptic?
[05:02] <samuel> short of deleting gksudo and symlink to gksu?
[05:02] <dcraven> FenixRF, now that is a Debuntu thing I still need to find out myself.
[05:02] <dcraven> FenixRF, there is no modules_autoload it seems.
[05:03] <dcraven> FenixRF, well there is /etc/modules, but not all modules go in there.
[05:04] <FenixRF_> can use slocate to find it and remove it :)
[05:04] <dcraven> FenixRF, that's cheating though.
[05:04] <Hackmo> hey all, can anyone help with my gaim and firefox problem
[05:05] <PacoBCN> hi guys
[05:05] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[05:05] <PacoBCN> probably you all are too busy with the release thingy but I have a problem which is driving me crazy...
[05:05] <PacoBCN> USB mass storage device
[05:05] <Tsuroerusu> Hey guys, how's Hoary commin' ? Any unfortunate delays in the horizon?
[05:05] <PacoBCN> somehow it doesn't want to mount the ext3 partition at boot
[05:05] <PacoBCN> any help?
[05:06] <robitaille> Tsuroerusu,  no...it should be release in a few hours
[05:06] <casimir> PacoBCN, any useful output from dmesg?
[05:06] <blahrus> anyone know how to set mplayer to use esd?
[05:06] <Se7h> hey there
[05:07] <blahrus> because its trying to use alsa and crashing (hoary amd64)
[05:07] <dcraven> FenixRF, check out /etc/hotplug/blacklist.. I think there is the ticket.
[05:07] <Se7h> was w32codecs changed?
[05:07] <toresbe> blahrus: -ao esd
[05:07] <blahrus> thanks!
[05:07] <toresbe> blahrus: no prob :)
[05:07] <toresbe> blahrus: a more final solution to the problem is to edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf or whatever it is
[05:07] <PacoBCN> casimir, nothing I understand, at least :(
[05:07] <Hackmo> hey, i'm having a few segmenation faults with GAIM and firefox.  Any chance they will be fixed when the final release of hoary comes out?
[05:07] <blahrus> toresbe: THANKYOU!
[05:08] <toresbe> blahrus: a pleasure
[05:08] <scott> anyone know what's up with Mesa version #s? I apparently have the latest version, 6.2.1, but when I do glxinfo it gives me "1.2 Mesa 6.2.1"  What does the 1.2 mean? is that the opengl version #? how do I get 1.3?
[05:08] <PacoBCN> casimir, http://pastebin.ca/9069
[05:08] <blahrus> toresbe: sadly I still have to use mplayer, gst lags and choppy, vlc on amd64 is a bit messed
[05:08] <dcraven> Hackmo, segmentation faults? That sounds serious, and there is little chance that they will be changed in the repository before release now.
[05:08] <toresbe> blahrus: Hell, I *love* mplayer
[05:09] <robitaille> Hackmo,  if it's broken now, it will be broken in Hoary :(
[05:09] <toresbe> robitaille: uh, "no"
[05:09] <PacoBCN> casimir, the weird thing is that if I "mount -a" it it will be mounted
[05:09] <toresbe> Hackmo: try filing proper bug reports...
[05:09] <toresbe> Hackmo: that stuff Shouldn't Happen (tm)
[05:09] <Hackmo> dcraven, robtiaille: that sucks then, it only started happening since I upgraded to hoary and I seem the be the only one having the problem
[05:09] <Hackmo> toresbe: ok will do
[05:10] <toresbe> Hackmo: great :)
[05:10] <blahrus> toresbe: now I can't fullscreen it  . . . .
[05:10] <toresbe> blahrus: then the -vo is to blame :)
[05:10] <toresbe> blahrus: for some reason they've managed the ultimate silliness of using -vo x11
[05:10] <toresbe> blahrus: it's slow and unscaleable - you most likely want -vo xv
[05:11] <toresbe> or "vo=xv" in the file
[05:11] <toresbe> Hackmo: However, random segfaults are indicative of bad HW
[05:11] <toresbe> Hackmo: tried memtesting?
[05:12] <pakkiri> how do I switch back to XFree86?
[05:12] <Hackmo> toresbe: nope, how would I go about doing that?
[05:12] <blahrus> toresbe: gosh this is why I love ubuntu
[05:12] <blahrus> toresbe: thanks man
[05:12] <toresbe> blahrus: no prob :)
[05:12] <pakkiri> I don't know if it's hoary or X.org which is screwing up firefox
[05:12] <pakkiri> I get those frames when I minimize or maximize
[05:12] <toresbe> Hackmo: at the "Press ESC for boot menu" - do that, then there's a memtest program
[05:13] <toresbe> I don't have any problems with my firefox
[05:13] <l0st> pakkiri: just installed hoary today and firefox and x.org seem to work fine
[05:13] <blahrus> Hackmo: running hoary correct?
[05:13] <Hackmo> toresbe: ok thanks, yeah i've asked around and I seem to be the only one having the problem
[05:13] <pakkiri> l0st: it used to work fine when I installed it
[05:13] <Hackmo> blahrus: yes
[05:14] <toresbe> Hackmo: np :)
[05:14] <blahrus> Hackmo: i386 or amd64?
[05:14] <Hackmo> blahrus: i386
[05:14] <l0st> pakkiri: what frames are you talking about?
[05:15] <pakkiri> when u minimize something
[05:16] <dcraven> pakkiri, like the window "animation"?
[05:16] <pakkiri> the way minimize actually works is the coordinates of the borders are changed..
[05:16] <pakkiri> what animation?
[05:16] <dcraven> pakkiri, you are in GNOME?
[05:16] <pakkiri> yep
[05:17] <libben> anyone used Gnome bluetooth?
[05:17] <dholbach> what doesnt work?
[05:17] <dcraven> pakkiri, if you want to lose the minimize frames, it might just be a matter of setting /apps/metacity/preferences/reduced_resources to true in gconf-editor.
[05:18] <dcraven> pakkiri, that is, assuming we are talking about the same frames.
[05:18] <pakkiri> hmm I'm not sure
[05:18] <delltony> question i have seen on the forums and mailing list that you can insert the warty disk and type server or custom and install a bare minimum install for servers. I would like to do this however here is my question. I have already installed warty on the system and would rather not reinstall. is there a command to get rid of all the gdm and other things that custom doesn't install  i simply want to run icewm and apache2 php and mysql t
[05:18] <delltony> hats pretty much it
[05:18] <dcraven> dcraven, give it a shot. If not, it's pretty easy to revert the change :)
[05:19] <FenixRF> ok
[05:19] <dcraven> FenixRF, wb.
[05:19] <FenixRF> Link=100 Signal=0 ESSID=off/any
[05:20] <FenixRF> the right WEP key is there... everything looks ok... except for the fact I can't see my AP
[05:20] <pakkiri> dcraven: thanks
[05:20] <libben> anyone used Gnome bluetooth?
[05:20] <dcraven> pakkiri, was that the ticket?
[05:20] <dcraven> pakkiri, and no problem.
[05:20] <FenixRF> dcraven, thanks for the wb... had to reconfigure my AP
[05:20] <dholbach> libben: I already asked you: what is the problem? what doesnt work?
[05:20] <pakkiri> I'm updating firefox; I haven't tested it yet
[05:20] <pakkiri> that very well could b
[05:21] <pakkiri> I have a P-III 850 with 256Meg
[05:21] <dcraven> FenixRF, not to insult you, but do you have MAC filtering on?
[05:22] <dcraven> pakkiri, well setting that gconf key to true like I said wouldn't hurt on that machine anyways.
[05:22] <pakkiri> dcraven: yeah I did that
[05:22] <dcraven> pakkiri, that does several things in metacity like wireframe moving of windows etc.
[05:22] <pakkiri> are there other ways that I can cut down on the eyecandy
[05:22] <dcraven> pakkiri, fluxbox :)
[05:23] <toresbe> Get:28 http://no.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main festival 1.4.3-16 [859kB] 
[05:23] <toresbe> what the hell!?
[05:23] <toresbe> why does "kde" depend on "festival"?!
[05:23] <dcraven> pakkiri, you ever try xfce?
[05:23] <pakkiri> no dcraven
[05:23] <pakkiri> gnome used to work good in warty
[05:23] <Riddell> toresbe: for text to speach I presume
[05:23] <dcraven> pakkiri, you might like it. It's kinda gnomeish, but much more lightweight.
[05:23] <FenixRF> dcraven, I did, but had the MAC registered... I have since turned it off.
[05:23] <dcraven> FenixRF, okay.
[05:24] <whal3> was wondering if anyone can help with xcompmgr and gnome-panel, I start it as the first process of the gnome-session and still get the shadow
[05:24] <woodwizzle> does ubuntu handle links any differently than other distros?
[05:24] <toresbe> Riddell: *dumb look*
[05:24] <pakkiri> how painful is the install?
[05:24] <woodwizzle> by links i mean the ln kind not the URL kind
[05:24] <dholbach> toresbe: kde-extras -> konq-speaker -> festival
[05:24] <dcraven> pakkiri, "apt-get install xfce4"
[05:25] <libben> hmm
[05:25] <dcraven> woodwizzle, not that I've noticed.
[05:25] <libben> anyone had any succes on getting blutetooth working?
[05:25] <blahrus> toresbe: what the diff over x11 or xv?
[05:25] <toresbe> blahrus: well, x11 is a generic thing that works on all drivers
[05:26] <dcraven> pakkiri, www.xfce.org if you want to check it out first.
[05:26] <toresbe> blahrus: xv is hardware-accelerated
[05:26] <pakkiri> hmm I might not have enough diskspace
[05:26] <woodwizzle> dcraven. I'm supposed to run autogen.sh when I'm done checking out CVS. This is supposed to make a lot of softlinks to Makefile.in.in. I tried making said links mysefly but ./configure still hangs as if the links don't exist. If i COPY the files to where the link is supposed to be the ./configure can read them
[05:26] <blahrus> toresbe: got it, so because I have a nvidia card I can us vo . . . . logical
[05:26] <hybrid> hello all
[05:27] <toresbe> blahrus: I have no freaking idea why they had "vo x11 " as standard. that's rediculous
[05:27] <Riddell> toresbe: which accusations?
[05:27] <dcraven> woodwizzle, wouldn't it be easier to just run autogen.sh?
[05:27] <toresbe> Riddell: *dumber look*
[05:27] <woodwizzle> dcraven I DID run autogen.sh but it failed to create said links
[05:28] <dcraven> woodwizzle, I think your problem probably lies elsewhere.
[05:28] <woodwizzle> and if I try and do it myself the fail to which leads me to believe that ubuntu is handling links incorrectly or something
[05:28] <FenixRF> ok... I'm going to bed :(
[05:28] <woodwizzle> s/the/they
[05:28] <FenixRF> I'll try again tomorrow
[05:28] <dcraven> woodwizzle, what was the project you checked out? I can try it here. Could be a problem with their build scripts.
[05:28] <FenixRF> night
[05:28] <FenixRF> dcraven, thanks :)
[05:28] <dcraven> FenixRF, okay. Cheers dude.
[05:28] <woodwizzle> dcraven: Wesnoth CVS
[05:28] <toresbe> FenixRF: nightie
[05:29] <libben> wich window manager is the bomb?
[05:30] <Misogynist> Whichever one suits your computer usage habits best.
[05:30] <libben> gnome is good.... xfce is good. fluxbox also good. =)
[05:30] <woodwizzle> dcraven:  http://wesnoth.slack.it/?WesnothCVS
[05:30] <Burgundavia> libben: whatever is best for you
[05:30] <Destructo> fluxbox is the best
[05:30] <Destructo> end of story
[05:30] <membreya> KDE 0wns :)
[05:30] <libben> dont really care.
[05:30] <libben> i just want a nice gui
[05:30] <Misogynist> KDE isn't a window manager :o
[05:30] <dcraven> woodwizzle, checking out now.
[05:30] <akk> fvwm or icewm
[05:31] <membreya> Misogynist: there's kdm ...it counts :P
[05:31] <dcraven> libben, define "bomb".
[05:31] <Arnia> metacity is going to rock once they start moving patches from luminoscity
[05:31] <libben> u can get the same look with all windows manager
[05:31] <membreya> I'm still waiting for someone to properly emulate OSX :P
[05:31] <dcraven> libben, twm is good.
[05:31] <hybrid> Arnia: what is so great about luminocity?
[05:31] <Destructo> hey iom trying to helpo one of your users.. does ubuntu have a program to toggle between WM .. and in freebsd i edit .xinitrc  is that the same in ubuntu, and where is it linked to ?
[05:31] <libben> I dont see one mention Gnome in here
[05:31] <libben> why is it gnome in there for default? =)
[05:32] <hybrid> Arnia: i heard it is like longhorn for linux and that is scary
[05:32] <mico> hello, how do i add support for curses programming in ubuntu?
[05:32] <whal3> Metacity is the gnome WM
[05:32] <dcraven> libben, GNOME is not a wm.. Metacity is GNOME's wm.
[05:32] <dcraven> woodwizzle, thanks for making me checkout a MASSIVE cvs repo... lol
[05:32] <libben> tired... ?=)
[05:32] <dcraven> woodwizzle, still going.
[05:32] <libben> tell me like i dident now shit
[05:32] <Arnia> hybrid: It's moving the compositing and rendering process for windows onto the graphics card.
[05:32] <woodwizzle> dcraven: lol sorry :)
[05:32] <libben> GDM== loggin in screen
[05:33] <libben> WM !=?
[05:33] <whal3> WM = Metacity
[05:33] <woodwizzle> dcraven: if it works for you you'll most likely enjoy it a great bit
[05:33] <daniels> could we please not argue WMs here?
[05:33] <libben> what is metacity... new word for me
[05:33] <Arnia> hybrid: It's intended to work with the new GTk cairo/glitz backend
[05:33] <Destructo> gnome is a WM .. what else do you think it is
[05:33] <libben> they tell me Metacity is Gnomes WM or womething
[05:33] <libben> tired.
[05:34] <Arnia> hybrid: It includes some fairly nifty stuff (such as making windows 'give' a bit when you move them like real objects do... apparently it feels far more natural)
[05:34] <lamont> Destructo: gnome provides session management and a bunch more beyond just simple "window manager"
[05:34] <dcraven> Destructo, no.
[05:34] <hybrid> Arnia: wow
[05:34] <membreya> Arnia: a computer..feeling natural ..lol
[05:34] <etzerd> Hello guys
[05:34] <lamont> libben: the default window manager in gnome is metacity
[05:34] <dcraven> woodwizzle, worked here dude.
[05:34] <hybrid> does anyone know when the breezy repos will be ready?
[05:35] <lamont> hybrid: we're gonna worry about that after the release
[05:35] <Destructo> dcraven sorry .. no whatc?
[05:35] <dcraven> woodwizzle, is build-essential installed?
[05:35] <dcraven> Destructo, no, GNOME is not a window manager.
[05:35] <dcraven> brb
[05:35] <lamont> there is a little bit of pre-opening testing that we want to do before we start syncing breezy
[05:35] <Destructo> dcraven what is it
[05:35] <lamont> Destructo: it's a desktop
[05:35] <hybrid> lamont: so will it be a long time; like total new packages; or a short time; like moderate updates?
[05:35] <etzerd> can someone tell me if release 5.04 will be   out tomorrow
[05:36] <samuel> is there any way to change all the gksudo to gksu in the menus or get sudo to ask for the root password?
[05:36] <lamont> hybrid: we stopped blindly syncing sid at the end of december
[05:36] <woodwizzle> dcravem: yup
[05:36] <samuel> short of deleting gksudo and symlink to gksu?
[05:36] <libben> so i want theme for gnome? i download metacity theme?
[05:36] <libben> or what
[05:36] <hybrid> lamont: what do you mean blindly syncing?
[05:36] <lamont> hybrid: so when it opens in a week or 2, it'll be a major bunch of new stuff (up to current sid), with more delay for any package that we modified, since we have to at least review the merge
[05:36] <hybrid> ok
[05:37] <lamont> hybrid: up until "upstream version freeze" (==2004.12.28 for hoary), packages from sid sync into the archive every day
[05:37] <Destructo> libben try themes.org
[05:37] <hybrid> lamont: ok thank you
[05:37] <lamont> if there's a ubuntu-change, then someone gets to review the diff, and upload
[05:37] <lamont> when breezy opens, expect chaos there for a week or 3, then reasonable stability for a development release
[05:37] <xMaximex> libben, install gnome-themes package
[05:38] <hybrid> lamont: lol i like chaos; if we are talking about the same kind. it keeps me busy hacking away to fix something
[05:38] <xMaximex> what is the best cd/dvd burning software ?
[05:38] <membreya> k3b ;)
[05:38] <lamont> hybrid: yeah
[05:39] <hybrid> kool
[05:39] <PacoBCN> xMaximex, if you don't want to use kde libs you can choose between graveman and gnomebaker
[05:39] <delltony> question if i wanted to list all the installed packages i have using the command line don't i use dpkg?
[05:39] <xMaximex> PacoBCN, okay .. one is better than the other ?
[05:39] <PacoBCN> delltony, you can always use synaptic
[05:40] <delltony> command line ;)
[05:40] <PacoBCN> xMaximex, I'm pretty happy with both
[05:40] <xMaximex> ok
[05:40] <PacoBCN> xMaximex, you will choose between 2 different layouts, I guess
[05:40] <dcraven> Destructo, GNOME is I guess a DE, or a Desktop Environment.
[05:40] <jbm__> anyone here ever install ubuntu on RAID 0?
[05:40] <delltony> i'm not running gdm or kdm i'm running flux thats why i was asking
[05:40] <Destructo> right
[05:40] <hybrid> lamont: is the release still tomorrow?
[05:40] <a2t3> Destructo: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/|grep list
[05:40] <a2t3> Destructo: sorry
[05:40] <lamont> hybrid: I sure hope so. :-)
[05:41] <lamont> yes
[05:41] <upgrdman_> How do I install Kino in ubuntu/debian? i'm new to ubuntu, and have never used deb or deb-based distros before. i know kino is available for ubuntu because of http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/kino, but how do i install it?
[05:41] <a2t3> delltony: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/|grep list
[05:41] <delltony> thanks
[05:41] <Destructo> dcraven i9 understand now
[05:41] <lamont> upgrdman_: synaptic can do it for you
[05:41] <PacoBCN> upgrdman_, it's in the repos, dude
[05:41] <hybrid> lamont: ok we have had alot of people in here lately in response to the hoary release
[05:41] <dcraven> upgrdman_, easiest way is to use 'synaptic'.
[05:41] <upgrdman_> ok
[05:41] <PacoBCN> upgrdman_, sudo apt-get install kino
[05:41] <upgrdman_> i tried searching with synaptic for kino, and got no results
[05:41] <lamont> upgrdman_: what PacoBCN said if you like command lines
[05:42] <upgrdman_> E: Couldn't find package kino
[05:42] <lamont> it's in main...
[05:42] <Burgundavia> upgrdman_: it is there
[05:42] <lamont> which architecture are you on?
[05:42] <dcraven> upgrdman_, if you want a gui, then in the GNOME menus, System --> Administration --> Synaptics Package Manager
[05:42] <Arnia> hybrid: so, yes, I'm quite keen on seeing more of luminoscity in metacity. It will make the whole desktop smoother (and they've found a clever trick to make that even better)
[05:42] <upgrdman_> x86... 2GHz celeron
[05:42] <libben> anyone in here uses this ? sudo hdparm -m <your MaxMultSec value> /dev/hda
[05:42] <kakalto> where's the wiki for upgrading to hoary?
[05:43] <hybrid> Arnia: wo and who is doing this?
[05:43] <Arnia> hybrid: When resizing a window, the border will only move when the app has finished redrawing for the new size
[05:43] <upgrdman_> dcraven, i know about synaptic... but when i search for kino with syn. it gives no results... does it not have a db or something yet?
[05:43] <kakalto> anyone?
[05:43] <hybrid> o_0
[05:43] <Arnia> hybrid: Red Hat
[05:43] <dcraven> lamont, in synaptic, is that what the little ubuntu symbol means? That it's in main?
[05:43] <membreya> upgrdman_: kino is there, check your repo's
[05:43] <Burgundavia> upgrdman_: do you use ppc or amd64?
[05:43] <hybrid> Arnia: wow thats a surprise
[05:43] <Destructo> dcraven thanks man...
[05:43] <Burgundavia> dcraven: correct
[05:43] <Arnia> hybrid: It works like double buffering does. Its actually slower, but it feels faster
[05:43] <dcraven> Destructo, no sweat.
[05:43] <hybrid> Arnia: will it be free in all sense?
[05:43] <lamont> dcraven: uh... you're assuming that I've ever run synaptic
[05:43] <Destructo> oh.. whats the command to view all packges installed so that one can del multiple ones
[05:43] <upgrdman_> Burgundavia, neither... x86
[05:44] <dcraven> Burgundavia, cool. I always wondered that, thanks.
[05:44] <Arnia> hybrid: Yes... its just a development branch of metacity
[05:44] <Burgundavia> upgrdman_: I see it
[05:44] <upgrdman_> membreya, how... im new to ubuntu/deb
[05:44] <Burgundavia> upgrdman_: you running warty or hoary?
[05:44] <dcraven> lamont, yep. Poor assumption apparently :)
[05:44] <kakalto> where's the wiki for upgrading to hoary?
[05:44] <lamont> dcraven: I'm more of a command line kinda guy
[05:44] <Arnia> hybrid: Its just there so they don't break metacity whilst playing with these new pieces
[05:44] <upgrdman_> hoary
[05:44] <hybrid> oh
[05:44] <libben> anyone in here uses this ? sudo hdparm -m <your MaxMultSec value> /dev/hda
[05:44] <Destructo> slackware has pkgtool
[05:44] <hybrid> how do i install a them for gnome?
[05:45] <hybrid> **theme
[05:45] <libben> or hdparm -c 3 /dev/hdb
[05:45] <libben> anyone ?tryed to speed up the io interface to the hds ?
[05:45] <Arnia> hybrid: Open the theme manager and drag the archive onto the window
[05:45] <woodwizzle> hybrid: gnome supports just dragging the theme into the theme manager AFAIK
[05:45] <hybrid> ok
[05:45] <hybrid> Arnia : ty
[05:45] <kakalto> anyone??
[05:45] <upgrdman_> Burgundavia, hoary
[05:45] <membreya> upgrdman_: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:45] <upgrdman_> thx
[05:46] <libben> can i enable 32 bits I/O to my dvd-burner/reader? and harddrives?
[05:46] <kakalto> hello???
[05:46] <george_> what is the best C compiler for ubuntu?  and why didn't it come installed with one?  did I do something wrong?
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kakalto: I don't know if there is one
[05:46] <dcraven> Arnia, have you toyed with Luminocity at all? It's quite fun for a short while :)
[05:46] <kakalto> there is, I was linked to it this morning
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kakalto: hmm
[05:46] <hybrid> george_: gcc compiles c i believe
[05:46] <kakalto> it's just that I didn't have time to look at it
[05:46] <jbm__> anyone know what raid is
[05:47] <hybrid> jbm__like a hdd
[05:47] <libben> jbm__, www.google.com
[05:47] <george_> hybrid: does it come installed with ubuntu/gnome?  or do I have to download it separately?
[05:47] <libben> can i enable 32 bits I/O to my dvd-burner/reader? and harddrives?
[05:47] <hybrid> george_: go to the command line and type gcc
[05:47] <jbm__> libben thats the most useless thing anyone ever told me
[05:47] <lamont> george_: not installed by default, but on the CD
[05:47] <Arnia> dcraven: I wish I could... I'm using a radeon 9700 mobility though :(
[05:47] <membreya> george_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:47] <jbm__> anyone ever put ubuntu on a raid 0 array?
[05:47] <kakalto> what's the text-based mp3 player?
[05:47] <hybrid> jbm__ : there is two kind of raid
[05:47] <lamont> yep.
[05:48] <RastaMahata> mp3blaster
[05:48] <lamont> apt-get install build-essential if you plan to build stuff
[05:48] <Burgundavia> hybrid: there are actually 6 (or 7), but never mind
[05:48] <jbm__> yes i know lots about raid
[05:48] <kakalto> RastaMahata, you talking to me?
[05:48] <RastaMahata> yeah
[05:48] <kakalto> thanks
[05:48] <hybrid> Burgundavia: o_0
[05:48] <jbm__> having trouble getting ubuntu installed on my raid 0 however, i have windows already
[05:48] <Arnia> dcraven: the level of elasticity they've given to the windows in the shots is fun, but a little silly. They must like playing with them at that level :)
[05:48] <dcraven> kakalto, is this what you mean --> http://tinyurl.com/5sqos
[05:48] <RastaMahata> i use that and irssi and links to make installations more... friendly to me ;)
[05:49] <libben> anyone tried this ? and know if its a good thing to do? sudo hdparm -m <your MaxMultSec value> /dev/hda
[05:49] <libben> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24416
[05:49] <kakalto> dcraven, yeah, thanks
[05:49] <libben> i ment to post that
[05:49] <libben> not the sudo thing
[05:49] <dcraven> Arnia, yeah good for testing, but not very practical. The way it was set when I tried it, the windows never actually did stop moving even when at rest.
[05:49] <dcraven> kakalto, no prob.
[05:50] <george_> thanks so much!
[05:51] <dcraven> Arnia, and you'd be surprised how fun it is with even poor 3d hardware... You can make the windows smaller. There is a good walkthrough to get it going on the Gentoo forums.
[05:51] <jbm__> so anyone here ever install ubuntu on raid? i need to know install driver before partiotion!!
[05:51] <dcraven> jbm__, never here dude.
[05:51] <Arnia> dcraven: Well, they're turning it down for the merge I believe. And its an original and good idea
[05:51] <Arnia> dcraven: When I saw the videos I just went 'ah... that's why windows always felt so clunky and harsh'
[05:52] <dcraven> Arnia, I'd hope they would turn it down.hehe.. Apparently you need little motion to get some effect.
[05:52] <dcraven> heh
[05:52] <Arnia> dcraven: I'd never thought that real world objects almost always have a certain give to them :)
[05:52] <jbm__> i thought ubuntu for servers too, like scsi and raid stuff it doesnt do then?
[05:53] <blahrus> toresbe: about half way through a avi the sound get half way off . . . any ideas?
[05:53] <Flonne> It prompts you to configure software RAID during the partitioning stage.
[05:53] <dcraven> Arnia, yeah I read on one of the dev-blogs that they were suprised how much more "tangible" windows felt with even a little motion. Pretty exciting really.
[05:53] <jbm__> Flonne i have windows already on raid, that will destroy it!
[05:54] <Flonne> I know nothing about Windows.
[05:54] <PacoBCN> too many problems mounting USB drives...
[05:54] <Arnia> dcraven: I can see some people moaning though :)
[05:54] <PacoBCN> I see I'm not the only one
[05:54] <dcraven> Arnald, i'm sure there will be a gconf setting.. hehe
[05:54] <jbm__> Flonne i have data on array, that will destroy it
[05:54] <xMaximex> is there a way to modify grub settings with a GUI?
[05:54] <dcraven> Arnia, probably bundled with the reduced_resources one.
[05:54] <Flonne> Then why are you asking?
[05:54] <libben> is there any command to check how many lines will get printed in terminal?
[05:54] <libben> hmm
[05:55] <libben> maybe gedit
[05:55] <PacoBCN> can anyone help to find what's wrong when mouting my usb drive?
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> xMaximex, get suse = =_)
[05:55] <xMaximex> nomasteryoda, mm ok ... next ?
[05:55] <jbm__> Flonne i need to know how to load raid kernel module into livecd image so i can manually set partitions without blowing away other partitons
[05:55] <dcraven> libben, "your_command | wc -l"
[05:56] <kakalto> when I upgraded to hoary, I got 2 broken packages. what should I do?
[05:56] <Burgundavia> kakalto: which ones?
[05:56] <dcraven> kakalto, I uninstalled them when that happened to me.
[05:56] <libben> dcraven, well, gedit said 2760. and wc counted it to 2859 =)
[05:56] <kakalto> php-4 and something else
[05:56] <libben> 2759 i ment
[05:57] <libben> i gues it wont count a empty line
[05:57] <Arnia> dcraven: Yeah... and if people need the setting enough then it will get put in a capplet. I like that way of doing things (starting minimal and only adding options people have been proven to need)
[05:57] <dcraven> libben, gedit count blank lines?
[05:57] <kakalto> something else: apache
[05:57] <Flonne> jbm__, have you looked at the software RAID options to see if it's possible to do what you want? It shouldn't touch anything without prompting you.
[05:57] <libben> apparantly
[05:57] <dcraven> libben, who uses gedit to count lines? haha
[05:57] <dcraven> ;P
[05:57] <libben> count? it tells me how many lines it is
[05:57] <libben> gedit file. and it tells me
[05:58] <libben> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24416 anyone done this btw?
[05:58] <kakalto> to uninstall a package, is it just sudo apt-get remove <package> ?
[05:58] <Flonne> Yes, kakalto.
[05:58] <dcraven> Arnia, that philosophy seems to be working pretty well.
[05:58] <kakalto> thanks
[05:58] <helloyo> is hoary going to be available as soon as the 8th starts? or some time during the day?
[05:59] <kakalto> helloyo, depends which timezone :P
[05:59] <andrewski> helloyo: when the 8th starts is likely different for many. :P
[05:59] <dcraven> helloyo, probably later on I'd imagine.
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> xMaximex, try gettting GrubConf
[05:59] <Loki_VA> hi ppl
[05:59] <Arnia> dcraven: Yeah, it definitely stops option bloat
[05:59] <spartas> it depends on your timezone, it's already the 8th in some places (but not here yet)
[05:59] <Rasta[sleep] > 30 seconds to be the 8th
[05:59] <kakalto> it's well into the 8th here
[05:59] <dcraven> libben, I've never done that..
[05:59] <jbm__> Flonne i will try again but it looks like it wants to initalize my array thus destroying the old partitons
[05:59] <andrewski> Rasta[sleep] : yeah EST.
[05:59] <libben> dcraven, u dare?
[05:59] <libben> =)
[05:59] <libben> im thinking about it
[06:00] <dcraven> libben, no thanks. :)
[06:00] <Flonne> Sorry, jbm__, but my RAID experience is rather limited. :(
[06:00] <Rasta[sleep] > andrewski, I mean here, chile :o
[06:00] <libben> why not?
[06:00] <libben> =)
[06:00] <libben> i mean... the last part then?
[06:00] <libben> the I/O stuff would be harmless
[06:00] <Rasta[sleep] > oh yeah, I'm asleep
[06:00] <kakalto> how do I get bitchx to join more than one channel at the same time?
[06:00] <Rasta[sleep] > night!
[06:00] <dcraven> dcraven, no need I suppose? The risk outweighs the benefit?
[06:00] <spartas> if they release it when firefox 1.0 was released (late evening according to my timezone), you might as well wait until the 9th
[06:00] <Arnia> The 8th is a 48 hour period :p
[06:00] <kakalto> true that, Arnia
[06:00] <dcraven> later Rasta[sleep] 
[06:00] <kakalto> actually no
[06:01] <kakalto> isn't it 36 hours
[06:01] <kakalto> hang on, no
[06:01] <kakalto> I can't count, don't worry
[06:01] <toresbe> blahrus: absolutely none, that's odd
[06:01] <dcraven> We'll all get Hoary fast because the torrents will be on fire for the next few days. Smokin' speeds no doubt!
[06:01] <Arnia> Its 24 hours at the dateline, then another 24 hours for the rest of the world to catch up :)
[06:02] <kakalto> but my one's interface doesn't work, that's all
[06:02] <dcraven> Linux torrents download fast because its users leech less than in Windows.
[06:02] <j-rock> whens hoary's official release date again? i can never remember
[06:02] <kakalto> so I'm text-only till I do a few things
[06:02] <dcraven> heh
[06:02] <chong> april 8th
[06:02] <Burgundavia> j-rock: tomorrow (or today)
[06:02] <PacoBCN> If I don't get this usb drive working properly I'll switch back... to Amiga 500...
[06:02] <chong> so uhh 2 minutes ago for me
[06:02] <j-rock> Burgundavia: cool
[06:02] <kakalto> j-rock, friday
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> dcraven, LOL ...er suck less
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:03] <kakalto> how do I get bitchx to join more than one channel at the same time?
[06:03] <dcraven> nomasteryoda, either way :) haha
[06:03] <dcraven> kakalto, I dunno.. Check 'man bitchx'
[06:03] <pagefault> or use irssi
[06:03] <kakalto> thanks
[06:03] <pagefault> :)
[06:03] <kakalto> that's what it was
[06:03] <kakalto> I was wanting that, but I forgot what it was called
[06:03] <kakalto> BRB
[06:03] <pagefault> hehe
[06:03] <dcraven> hehe.. Was that "RTFM!!" enough for ya? lol
[06:04] <McScruff> hello again ppl
[06:04] <McScruff> all working expect for my usb card reader
[06:04] <kakalto> hehe
[06:04] <chong> McScruff, what kinda card reader do you have?
[06:04] <McScruff> 12 i n1
[06:04] <McScruff> :)
[06:04] <chong> woah
[06:05] <chong> my 3 in 1 doesnt work
[06:05] <chong> and it never will ;_;
[06:05] <pagefault> weird
[06:05] <membreya> hmmm 2pm ....and still no release
[06:05] <McScruff> 4 different slots
[06:05] <kakalto> now...
[06:05] <pagefault> you would think any standard card reader would work
[06:05] <kakalto> irssi...
[06:05] <kakalto> how did I make more than one channel...
[06:05] <chong> pagefault, in my case its built into my asus s5ne and its not a usb device its a pcmcia device with no drivers for it
[06:05] <pagefault> use alt-1,2,3 etc
[06:05] <pagefault> to switch
[06:05] <pagefault> I believe
[06:05] <McScruff> i was in a dir earlier that said "removeable storage" but i dont know how to get there
[06:06] <chong> McScruff, probably somewhere in /media
[06:06] <kakalto> yeah, as opposed to alt-f1, f2, f3, which is different :
[06:06] <kakalto> *:P
[06:06] <akk> Does the ubuntu kernel have that "different ids for separate LUN" option?  With that, multicard readers just Just Work.
[06:06] <spartas> join #beagle
[06:06] <spartas> crap
[06:06] <pagefault> chong, oh that blows
[06:06] <chong> pagefault, yea i'm bummed
[06:06] <blahrus> toresbe: i get the same thing with totem/gst
[06:06] <chong> since my camera takes sd cards and sd is one of the supported formats
[06:07] <McScruff> my sony card is there
[06:07] <McScruff> :O
[06:07] <chong> but its cool since my camera is also fully supported with ghpoto2
[06:07] <McScruff> no mmc tho
[06:07] <chong> mine does mmc, sd, and sony ms
[06:07] <toresbe> blahrus: very odd
[06:07] <chong> er well it would if i used windows
[06:07] <chong> heh
[06:07] <McScruff> mine would if i used windows :)
[06:07] <McScruff> unless i raped my mmc
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> bah
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> snort depends on snort rules
[06:08] <bluefoxicy> stupid thing.
[06:08] <McScruff> but the sony1 works :)
[06:08] <bluefoxicy> oinkmaster gets and installs rules!  Oinkmaster should satisfy snort's craving for rules :D
[06:08] <pagefault> so you have a 1 in 1 reader then
[06:08] <pagefault> better than nothing
[06:08] <pagefault> :)
[06:08] <chong> so what timezone is the ubuntu release team in?
[06:08] <chong> heh
[06:09] <calc> chong: all of them
[06:09] <calc> chong: the release is being mirrored
[06:09] <chong> calc, ok cool
[06:09] <pagefault> final release?
[06:09] <spartas> it would have been awesome if they released it according to GMT
[06:09] <chong> its just almost bed time for me so i'd like to jump in on the torrent
[06:09] <gldtn> what time will the release be commited?
[06:10] <dcraven> haha
[06:10] <gldtn> chong, How can I get a jump start and leave my torrent ready to download the release?
[06:10] <dcraven> The release will be available at exactly 13:35:32 JMT.
[06:11] <_blue> today
[06:11] <_blue> ?
[06:11] <_blue> ???
[06:11] <_blue> ??
[06:11] <membreya> JMT wtf is JMT
[06:11] <pagefault> which is JMT again?
[06:11] <chong> dcraven, whats that in GMT?
[06:11] <dcraven> hahaha
[06:11] <libben> =)
[06:11] <libben> rofl
[06:11] <gldtn> dcraven, thanks
[06:11] <dcraven> I'm foolin'.
[06:11] <_blue> 1pm?
[06:11] <dcraven> Holy!
[06:11] <membreya> die dcraven
[06:11] <chong> gldtn, if there is an rss feed setup somewhere for it you could use a plugin for say azureus and get it that way
[06:11] <geneo91> just get the daily build
[06:11] <dcraven> hahaha
[06:11] <dcraven> JMT
[06:11] <libben> who fucking cares when it gets released? i dont mean it in a disrespecting way... download the pre and update!
[06:11] <libben> and voila
[06:11] <libben> u will have ur system ready when its released =)
[06:11] <dcraven> Ouch libben .
[06:11] <kakalto> libben, indeed
[06:11] <pagefault> I need to reformat my install
[06:12] <jbm__> maybe new version supports raid?
[06:12] <libben> and u only need to download like what.... 10 packages
[06:12] <chong> libben, i have a blank hard drive ready for it
[06:12] <pagefault> went from warty to many updates of hoary
[06:12] <pagefault> it's a mess
[06:12] <chong> pagefault, yea thats what i did
[06:12] <dcraven> libben just cursed directly at 443 people.
[06:12] <libben> chong, well... horay pre is ready for it now
[06:12] <ells> how do i enabel buffer underrun on my dvd burner
[06:12] <libben> i said... do NOT mean it in a disrespecting way
[06:12] <pagefault> chong, gotten to the point 3d doesn't work anymore so I need to do it
[06:12] <chong> ells, i'd poke around /etc/default/cdrecord
[06:12] <ells> tritium; hey Mike, what is up
[06:12] <pagefault> hehe
[06:12] <computerguy867> so anyone hear what time they will be posting Hoary final?
[06:13] <ells> chong: thanks
[06:13] <libben> I love it so much ... im thinking of doing a clean install again when it gets out =)
[06:13] <libben> but thats just med
[06:13] <chong> pagefault, yea i got to the point where removable media wouldnt put an icon on my desktop so i had to unmount from command line
[06:13] <dcraven> I suppose if you know the exact URL you could use "at" and wget to try to fetch it... Or cron to try once every hour.
[06:13] <libben> me
[06:13] <kakalto> may I ask why my printer starting printing an article I tried to print a week ago, just as I was upgrading to hoary?
[06:13] <benjanet> is there a marrillat repository for hoary ?
[06:13] <_blue> wait wait wait, so now, when is new ubuntu coming out?
[06:13] <Burgundavia> benjanet: use the same one
[06:13] <chong> benjanet, i use the sarge repo for ubuntu
[06:13] <computerguy867> today
[06:14] <chong> benjanet, but i only grab win32codecs
[06:14] <kakalto> _blue: friday
[06:14] <benjanet> thanks
[06:14] <dcraven> kakalto, hahaha
[06:14] <_blue> kakalto: 1pm
[06:14] <_blue> ?
[06:14] <computerguy867> but what time is the question
[06:14] <kakalto> not for me :P
[06:14] <pagefault> chong, hehe yeah
[06:14] <_blue> bugger
[06:14] <kakalto> _blue, for me, it's already 4:00pm
[06:14] <libben> k3b seems to be one of the better burning software out there... hmm... kick out gnome baker and install k3b
[06:14] <kakalto> well, more like 4:15pm
[06:14] <pagefault> hmm
[06:14] <benjanet> chong, is it dangerous to get other stuff ??
[06:14] <chong> benjanet, well its a third party repo
[06:14] <chong> its unsupported
[06:14] <computerguy867> i cant wait!
[06:15] <chong> in my experience its been fine to nab mplayer
[06:15] <pagefault> chong, I just hope it fixes my problems
[06:15] <jbm__> there is new ubuntu? what did they call it gnubuntu rofl!!!
[06:15] <dcraven> For the love of God nobody here (who isn't just lurking) knows the exact second of release!
[06:15] <dcraven> hehe
[06:15] <kakalto> I actually kinda like this setup
[06:15] <upgrdman_> anyone here use kino to capture form their dv cam?
[06:15] <computerguy867> heheh
[06:15] <chong> but totem-zine can play everything mplayer can if you have the w32codecs package
[06:15] <kakalto> if it wasn't for pictures, I might've stuck with no gui for a few days
[06:15] <_blue> dcraven: im excited b/c im thinkig of making the switch from mandrake to ubuntu
[06:15] <kakalto> pictures, internet, etc.
[06:15] <upgrdman_> anyone here use kino to capture form their dv cam?
[06:15] <computerguy867> _Blue: You should
[06:16] <dcraven> _blue, you won't be sorry.
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> "Snort 2.3.0 RC1 integrated the intrusion prevention system (IPS) capability of snort_inline into the official Snort project."
[06:16] <libben> _blue, do it now!
[06:16] <pagefault> mozplug is a must too
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> where can i get a breezy repo with snort 2.3
[06:16] <computerguy867> UBUNTU ROCKS!
[06:16] <jobezone> I think I read it would be aroun 8 AM UTC(GMT)
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> as 2.3.1 is out
[06:16] <libben> Ubuntu WANTS U!
[06:16] <dcraven> _blue, well, I doubt you will be sorry anyways :)
[06:16] <jbm__> gnubuntu's coming out when?
[06:16] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy: breezy hasn't opened yet
[06:16] <chong> bluefoxicy, as far as i know breezy hasnt opened yet
[06:16] <_blue> lol,  of all the peoplein here, you guys have one op?
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  feck.  Hoary has snort 2.2
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> I wanna try the IPS
[06:16] <upgrdman_> today is my first day with ubuntu, and as we say at mcdonalds... I'm Loving It
[06:16] <daniels> bluefoxicy: dude, hoary isn't even out yet, breezy doesn't exist
[06:16] <jobezone> I think I read it would be around 8 AM UTC(GMT)
[06:16] <Arnia> _blue: lots of secret ops
[06:16] <libben> See the world it said, get laid it said. damit. now im stuck with this thing called ubuntu
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I know, I want the inline module for snort 2.3
[06:16] <tritium> jobezone, that's correct
[06:16] <kakalto> upgrdman_, sure thing
[06:17] <Arnia> _blue: Doesn't do to show your power ;)
[06:17] <kakalto> I'm lovin' it
[06:17] <computerguy867> jobezone: The release?
[06:17] <chong> bluefoxicy, maybe try pulling from sid?
[06:17] <dcraven> I'm upgrading to Breezy pre on Saturday.
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I'm poking around, probably going to build a security node by wiping a Mac Mini and putting 2 nics in it
[06:17] <kakalto> if that wasn't trademarked, ubuntu could use it :D
[06:17] <jobezone> computerguy867, yes, hoary final
[06:17] <jsgotangco> Breezy sources are now open?
[06:17] <jbm__> breezy?
[06:17] <chong> jsgotangco, no
[06:17] <McScruff> does ubuntu read FAT?
[06:17] <daniels> bluefoxicy: you could try packaging it, since it doesn't seem to be a huge priority for anyone else
[06:17] <chong> McScruff, yes
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> McScruff: of course
[06:17] <dinocore> hey anyone know how to install ndiswrapper?
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  hoary is frozen
[06:17] <McScruff> bolloks my mmc card is raped over
[06:17] <chong> dinocore, theres info on the wiki
[06:17] <jbm__> McScruff not if its on a raid
[06:17] <_blue> Arnia: i got the warty live cd's in the mail from ubuntu and they keep on failing when they try to create /dev
[06:18] <_blue> is that a known issue?
[06:18] <dinocore> chong, where is the wiki?
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I could package it, but then a long and virulent battle over politics and inserting a new universe package that some people might actually use would ensue
[06:18] <kakalto> What's slackware like?
[06:18] <chong> dinocore, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[06:18] <tritium> bluefoxicy, package it for yourself
[06:18] <smouche> hoary is already frozen?  Um, doesn't that mean then that we already have the "stable release"?
[06:18] <dinocore> ok thanks
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  nobody would want to take the risk of breaking snort this close to release of course :)
[06:18] <tritium> smouche, no, not yet
[06:18] <breath> ey, noobie here I had some errors pop up.. a lil while ago.. and I may have clicked the wrong option.. but now I dont have any boxes on my bottom tool bar.. you know with all the applications open.. I got on a different user, and everything worked all fine and dandy, so I think it has something todo with my user config files.. but I dont know where to look..
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I don't know how
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  and yes I've read the documentation
[06:18] <ells> how do i enable the dma on my dvd drive, for now on
[06:18] <tritium> bluefoxicy, I didn't ask if you had ;)
[06:19] <tritium> ells, hey there.
[06:19] <ells> tritium: hey Mike
[06:19] <benjanet> chong, testing, stable or unstable for marrilat on hoary ?
[06:19] <ells> tritium: got my dvd burner today
[06:19] <smouche> ells, thanks for asking that, I was wondering the same thing...
[06:19] <daniels> bluefoxicy: i was suggesting you package it for breezy, and you can actually use local packages but meh, either way
[06:19] <ells> tritium: whats the answer Mike
[06:19] <chong> benjanet, i use testing
[06:19] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I know, I've made local kernel packages.
[06:19] <tritium> ells, nice.  What's the device? /dev/hdb ?
[06:19] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  they broke my machine =o
[06:19] <breath> any ideas?
[06:19] <jobezone> benjanet, unstable, I think
[06:19] <spartas> i run hoary on this system, and apparently upgrade didn't do a thing for me; dist-upgrade on the other hand downloaded an additional 86 or so megs of packages
[06:19] <bluefoxicy> half the files I needed had gone missing o.o (i.e. the initrd wasn't there, kernel was)
[06:19] <chong> benjanet, be warned that its unsupported and if it breaks i didnt give you the info
[06:20] <ells> tritum: not sure,  I know it will come up as /media/cdrecorder
[06:20] <tritium> ells, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdb, if so
[06:20] <kakalto> anyone?
[06:20] <ells> tritium: will that affect it for now on, or just this session
[06:20] <tritium> ells, just for now
[06:20] <blahrus> toresbe: could it be an issue of not having the nvidia drivers loaded?
[06:20] <ells> tritium: can I make it for all the time
[06:20] <toresbe> blahrus: nah, probably not
[06:20] <benjanet> chong, ok
[06:20] <spartas> it also grabbed me gcc-4.0 and libstdc++6
[06:21] <kakalto> has anyone here used slackware? what's it like?
[06:21] <gldtn> kakalto, very unix like
[06:21] <tritium> ells, you can try to enable it in /etc/hdparm.conf, but sometimes the modules are not loaded yet when /etc/init.d/hdparm is called, so it doesn't work for cdroms
[06:21] <ells> tritium: you know mike the dvd does not show in the fstab, but it auto loads
[06:21] <geneo91> slack 10.0 aint to bad
[06:22] <tritium> ells, you'd have to add it to the fstab
[06:22] <geneo91> not for desktop though
[06:22] <kakalto> gldtn: what's that meant to mean?
[06:22] <ells> tritium: can you help with the syntax
[06:22] <kakalto> very unix-like
[06:22] <kakalto> you mean text-based?
[06:22] <breath> kakalto I have 10.1 on my laptop
[06:22] <dcraven> breath, right click on the panel that you want to add the window list to and choose "Add to Panel".
[06:22] <breath> I love it
[06:22] <tritium> ells, yes.
[06:22] <ells> tritium: cool Mike
[06:22] <kakalto> breath, what's updating like?
[06:22] <kakalto> do you have packages?
[06:22] <daniels> bluefoxicy: i don't think a local snort package could break your machine, but it's up to you
[06:22] <dcraven> breath, then choose Window List from the new dialog.
[06:22] <moeru> I have an extremely dumb question x.x
[06:22] <breath> thanks!
[06:22] <breath> =] 
[06:23] <kakalto> moeru, expect to be mocked :D
[06:23] <dinocore> i get and error when i try to modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:23] <moeru> How can I see what kernel version I'm using?
[06:23] <dinocore>  Operation not permitted
[06:23] <tritium> moeru, uname -r
[06:23] <blahrus> toresbe: could it be the way it was compiled?
[06:23] <breath> kakalto Ive never updated.. anything yet..
[06:23] <moeru> thanks ^^
[06:23] <breath> =/
[06:23] <kakalto> breath, what interface is default?
[06:23] <breath> I got my wifi cards working..
[06:23] <moeru> ow......mmm cheese
[06:23] <gldtn> kakalto, thats thier philosophy.. to be the closest to unix, very good distro to learn linux from, but can be a headache. They have apt-get and you can use sypnatic aswell.
[06:23] <dcraven> breath, assuming that is what you mean by "y'know, with all the applications running". :)
[06:23] <breath> umm I use fluxbox, cause my laptop is sub 1ghz
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  heh, I wouldn't package it right
[06:24] <kakalto> slack's the oldest linux, isn't it?
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> I have no idea what i'm doing
[06:24] <breath> but you can use kde or gnome
[06:24] <SeeRSea> slack is the closest
[06:24] <daniels> bluefoxicy: snort isn't a difficult package, I'm sure you could work through the new maintainer guides for Debian and Ubuntu
[06:24] <SeeRSea> Very traditional
[06:24] <gldtn> kakalto, yes they have pkgs
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  the farthest package managment I got to was 'vi /usr/portage/app-sys/foo/foo-1.2.ebuild && emerge foo', typing something like 'make' into foo.ebuild :)
[06:24] <dinocore> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[06:24] <dinocore> can anyone help?
[06:24] <benjanet> how much time left for hoary stable ?
[06:25] <spartas> i actually used to use blackbox on my laptop before gnome was working properly (in the early days of ubuntu); a quick dist-upgrade fixed that problem
[06:25] <ryman> I want to cry .. it has been 4 days and I still can't get any sound on Hoary =(
[06:25] <dcraven> dinocore, have you loaded the Windows drivers yet?
[06:25] <dinocore> no
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  the new maintainer guide is that 21 chapter document that's kinda non-straightforward and tries to explain everything in the world before first walking you through a demonstration?
[06:25] <blahrus> ryman: amd64?
[06:25] <gldtn> benjanet, don't know.. but I wish they had one of those count-down thingies
[06:25] <ryman> pent 4
[06:25] <dinocore> dcraven how do you do that?
[06:25] <daniels> bluefoxicy: there's a difference between the new maintainer's guide and the developer's reference
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> ah
[06:25] <dcraven> dinocore, I think you need to do the "ndiswrapper -i /path/to/whatever.inf" bit before you load the kernel module.
[06:25] <benjanet> gldtn, yeah..it would be cool to hava a countdown
[06:26] <ryman> blahrus, I'm on pent 4 and I can't get any sound even boot up sound =(
[06:26] <dinocore> dcraven ok thanks
[06:26] <ryman> this is my first time using linux
[06:26] <tritium> bluefoxicy, actually, the New Maintainer's guide does use the "gentoo" package as an example
[06:26] <reparks> How do I stop GNOME from auto adding CDs, Floppys, USB Flash Drives and such to the desktop when I plug them in?
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> I was sure I read the new maintainer's guide on several occasions, once when I started using linux, once when i was poking at pax on debian, and once 8 or 9 months later trying to make an ubuntu kernel
[06:26] <dcraven> dinocore, no prob.
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  that's a file manager >:P
[06:26] <tritium> bluefoxicy, yep
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> at any rate
[06:26] <dinocore> anyone know how to mount a vfat partition?
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> I never get it quite right :(
[06:27] <spartas> reparks: system > prefs > removable drives & media
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> i need to be like, handheld or something :(
[06:27] <dcraven> reparks, System --> Preferneces --> Removeable Drives and Media
[06:27] <dcraven> doh
[06:27] <reparks> thanks
[06:27] <EvilIdler> bluefoxicy: Do you have a desire to become a PDA?
[06:27] <SeeRSea> I wonder what Ubuntu will do with my USB camera?  :)
[06:27] <gldtn> may anyone point me to a good app so I can see my eth0, and others statics on my kde desktop?
[06:28] <gldtn> if possible .deb package
[06:28] <tritium> dinocore, with "-t vfat"
[06:28] <chong> gldtn, gkrellm
[06:28] <breath> #bittorrent
[06:28] <moeru> startx should restart my copy of Gnome, correct?
[06:28] <spartas> seersea: it might mount it as a removable device (that's how it treats my camera)
[06:28] <moeru> once I'm out obviously
[06:28] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  can you get me a list of commands to run at the command line to make the snort package, and I can work backwards from there?  That's how I figured out gentoo ebuilds; they're scripts, I just opened one up and read it, then figured out what crackpipe the devs were hitting off
[06:28] <dcraven> ryman, sometimes it seems sound is muted by default... In a terminal, run "alsamixer" and make sure no channels are muted (toggle mute with M).
[06:29] <gldtn> chong, thanks, let me check it out
[06:29] <SeeRSea> spartas- let's hope so
[06:29] <dcraven> ryman, also make sure PCM is non-zero... ie. turn it up.
[06:29] <SeeRSea> I want a software interface also
[06:29] <streetbmx> hello
[06:29] <SeeRSea> If I can get that amd music, I'm home free, I think.
[06:29] <spartas> seersea: what type of cam is it?
[06:29] <daniels> bluefoxicy: apt-get source snort && dpkg-source -x *.dsc && cd snort-* && debuild -us -uc
[06:29] <dinocore> alright anyone know how to turn off those annoying console beeps?
[06:29] <SeeRSea> Kodak 4.1 mp  Don't know the model type
[06:29] <kakalto> I will be back, hopefully with a gui this time :D
[06:29] <blahrus> ryman: yea I am using the warty kernel to get sound.
[06:30] <spartas> oh, ok; i have a sony with the staunch memory stick format
[06:30] <SeeRSea> Well, we'll see when I try it.
[06:30] <reparks> wow Ubuntu rocks :)
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  what if there's not a source package
[06:30] <SeeRSea> Will ubuntu plug and play usb devices on the fly?
[06:30] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:30] <PacoBCN> Sometimes it happens to me to loose my faith in Ubuntu and now it's one of those moments...
[06:30] <bluefoxicy> :)
[06:30] <spartas> usually
[06:31] <chong> SeeRSea, most of them
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> er, oh.  Snort wouldn't come with a debian/ directory in that case would it :/
[06:31] <spartas> i've heard of problems with iomega disk drives though (haven't tried mine yet)
[06:31] <tritium> PacoBCN, keep the faith, man
[06:31] <SeeRSea> I don't use anything iomega
[06:31] <SeeRSea> Waste of $$$
[06:31] <daniels> bluefoxicy: what do you mean, what if there's not a source package?
[06:31] <PacoBCN> tritium, my faith is proportional to the luck I have auto mouting USB drives...
[06:31] <dcraven> dinocore, "modprobe -r pcspkr" will do it probably.
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  i.e. what if i download a tarball from somewhere of a package not in the repo
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> for example trebuchet
[06:32] <pfr> the default lilo installation target is /dev/ida/c0d0/disc but i'm runnin a scsi raid array should i change it to /dev/sda/c0d0/disc?
[06:32] <dinocore> word
[06:32] <daniels> bluefoxicy: then you get to make your own debian/ directory
[06:32] <daniels> bluefoxicy: it doesn't just magically guess
[06:32] <tritium> PacoBCN, hopefully it's not based on that alone
[06:32] <spartas> yeah, i learnt the hard way, $300 bucks later and my data's disappearing as a result of the click of death
[06:32] <TongMaster> daniels, you live!
[06:32] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  ok :)
[06:32] <daniels> TongMaster: dude!
[06:33] <PacoBCN> tritium, right now it is because it's really frustrating
[06:33] <EvilIdler> Where's a good guide on Ubuntu sound? This silence is annoying.
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  btw, gentoo used to magically guess
[06:33] <TongMaster> daniels, not smoking the #pipe anymore :(
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> if I had like
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> src_compile() { }
[06:33] <SeeRSea> Evil- have you unchecked all the mute option in your sound panel?
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> it'd be like
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> ". . . uh.  make?"
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> but that's neither here nor there
[06:33] <streetbmx> does anyone know where the industrial theme went?
[06:34] <EvilIdler> SeeRSea: Yes. I am getting actual errors from applications trying to play anything.
[06:34] <EvilIdler> SeeRSea: XMMS complains about DSP devices not existing.
[06:34] <SeeRSea> that can't be good
[06:34] <SeeRSea> Sounds like they're not supported
[06:34] <spartas> Evil: do you know if you use alsa or oss?
[06:34] <EvilIdler> My soundcard is the bog-standard Live!, on Alsa.
[06:34] <SeeRSea> I have onboard sound, and get sound...just not music.  :)
[06:35] <spartas> try killall esd in terminal
[06:35] <SeeRSea> That's pretty vanilla
[06:35] <spartas> then restart xmms and play music
[06:35] <EvilIdler> I have no esd or other sound daemon. I killed them since they didn't give me sound.
[06:35] <spartas> hmmm
[06:35] <EvilIdler> Nothing makes sound :/
[06:36] <spartas> your sound volume control and xmms is configured to use alsa?
[06:36] <SeeRSea> I'm listening to my fans whir loudly
[06:37] <dcraven> EvilIdler, you say you have an SB Live!?
[06:37] <EvilIdler> spartas: I had ALSA when I used Debian, and precompiled kernels, but I'll check if my 6 years old .xmms config is there or not :)
[06:37] <SeeRSea> No!
[06:37] <SeeRSea> wind is good
[06:37] <EvilIdler> dcraven: Yep
[06:37] <kakalto> I upgraded to hoary, and now I have no interface. Help, please?
[06:37] <EvilIdler> snd_emu10k1 module loaded, no users
[06:37] <tritium> kakalto, what kind of interface?
[06:37] <spartas> Evil: hmmm, i dunno man ( 6 years brings a lot of experience i don't have )
[06:37] <kakalto> it says X isn't configured correctly, but I did dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[06:38] <kakalto> tritium, graphical
[06:38] <SeeRSea> Do you guys use shorewall or anything?
[06:38] <EvilIdler> spartas: 6 years only because I lost $HOME once ;)
[06:38] <SeeRSea> Trying to find an easy firewall solution
[06:38] <chong> SeeRSea, honestly i just use the iptables man page and go from there
[06:38] <bur[n] er> SeeRSea: u could use firestarter?
[06:38] <kakalto> perhaps I'll try again.
[06:39] <tritium> kakalto, be sure not to transpose "xorg" and "xserver" as you did above
[06:39] <SeeRSea> Yeah, I've got my Building Internet Firewalls book here.  It'll just take awhile
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  debuild manual doesn't show a -u switch or -us -uc
[06:39] <SeeRSea> IPTables are alien to me
[06:39] <JaZy84> hey guys every time i start in a termal window i get "bash: /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin:"
[06:39] <spartas> Evil: never lost home (just quite a few java programs for a class a week before they were due); been on winblows since october (friends helped convert me to linux; i chose ubuntu)
[06:39] <JaZy84> i tried to add the java with the how too guide
[06:39] <JaZy84> but java still doesn't work
[06:40] <EvilIdler> OK, sound works now in XMMS. Bastard thing was set back to OSS again :P  - only UT2004 and other games to check now
[06:40] <dcraven> EvilIdler, do you have the appropriate modules loaded? ie snd-emu10k1?
[06:40] <EvilIdler> dcraven: All ALSA modules, snd_emu10k1, plus oss emulation
[06:40] <EvilIdler> dcraven: XMMS plays, so now I have just about every game to check :)
[06:40] <Lancellor> hello i'm here again the newbie
[06:40] <spartas> EvilIdler is up, let the orchestra begin
[06:40] <tritium> JaZy84, try Method 2.
[06:41] <Lancellor> what do i have to type in console to get to a folder
[06:41] <JaZy84> tritium can you gimmie website?
[06:41] <dcraven> Oh cool.. You have sound now :_
[06:41] <kakalto> tritium, nothing would be configurable if I transposed them, would they?
[06:41] <SeeRSea> EvilIdler...complete with EvilSound.
[06:41] <EvilIdler> OK..Alpha Centauri plays sound. Looks like my system needed to "prime" sound with something before the games made noise :/
[06:41] <EvilIdler> SeeRSea: 1.2 gigs of SATAN!
[06:41] <daniels> bluefoxicy: no, but debuild help will show you that it passes options it doesn't know about to dpkg-buildpackage
[06:41] <tritium> kakalto, right, it would fail.
[06:41] <bluefoxicy> ah
[06:41] <tritium> JaZy84, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:42] <kakalto> I'll just hunt down my monitor manual
[06:42] <JaZy84> ty
[06:42] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  -u == upload?  o_o
[06:42] <Lancellor> is in home -abinadid -My Documents
[06:42] <daniels> bluefoxicy: try the dpkg-buildpackage help
[06:42] <bluefoxicy> yeah, reading the man page, uploadfilesdir :)
[06:43] <daniels> er
[06:43] <dcraven> Okay I'm off to bed. G'nite everyone.
[06:43] <daniels> dpkg-GENCHANGES OPTIONS
[06:43] <daniels>        dpkg-genchanges does not take any non-option arguments.
[06:43] <daniels>        -uuploadfilesdir
[06:43] <EvilIdler> Any tips on how to optimise loading time in UT2004?
[06:44] <EvilIdler> It takes many minutes to even get to the menu :/
[06:44] <_str> hi there...
[06:44] <spartas> Lancellor: cd to change directories, use cd <dir_name>
[06:45] <Lancellor> http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/          ......How to install Menu Editor for GNOME?   itry but did not work
[06:45] <_str> how could help me?  I cannot update my apt
[06:45] <ryman> hello , I'm new to linux.. can someone help me with this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211&highlight=audigy  ?
[06:45] <Artemis3> NAME
[06:45] <Artemis3>      cd - change working directory
[06:45] <Artemis3> SYNOPSIS
[06:45] <Artemis3>      cd directory
[06:45] <ryman> I see that my analog/digital output jack is off but how to I turn it on ?
[06:45] <spartas> Artemis3: No manual entry for cd
[06:46] <Lancellor> y try this        $ cd /home/abinadid/my documents/      but did not work say that the folder or file does not exist
[06:46] <Artemis3> heheh my openbsd has ;)
[06:46] <Artemis3> directory is an absolute or relative pathname which becomes the new work-
[06:46] <Artemis3>      ing directory.  The interpretation of a relative pathname by cd depends
[06:46] <Artemis3>      on the CDPATH environment variable
[06:46] <Dr_Aevil> Lancellor: cd /home/abinadid/my\ documents
[06:46] <Kamping_kaiser> lol
[06:46] <Artemis3> that should be enough
[06:46] <Kamping_kaiser> no man entry for cd in ubuntu ;)
[06:46] <spartas> Dr_Aevil: forgot about escaping the space
[06:47] <Artemis3> thats unfriendly
[06:47] <Artemis3> fill a bug entry :)
[06:47] <Lancellor> shoul i type    cd /home/abinadid/documents/
[06:47] <spartas> Lancellor: man ls
[06:47] <Dr_Aevil> Lancellor: uhm, what I said should work
[06:47] <Lancellor> let me try
[06:47] <Dr_Aevil> spartas: eh?
[06:47] <tritium> Lancellor, you can, or cd ~/documents, if abinadid is your username
[06:48] <EvilIdler> Well, UT2004 works and has sound after replacing libSDL and openal.so with proper 64-bit versions.
[06:49] <ells> tritium: I am slowly getting the components I need for this desktop, lastly, need a good video card
[06:49] <tritium> Lancellor, if you're already in your home directory, you don't even need ~/, just "cd documents"
[06:49] <spartas> Dr_Aevil: my mind's too tired to think about space escaping in my\ documents (thought his previous command would have worked)
[06:49] <tritium> ells, that's awesome
[06:49] <Lancellor> cd: /home/abinadid/my documents: No such file or directory               this is what tell me
[06:49] <ells> tritium: nice having this dvd burner
[06:49] <tritium> I'll bet.
[06:49] <Lancellor> ok let me try again
[06:49] <Artemis3> take those : out
[06:49] <spartas> Lancellor: cd ~; ls
[06:49] <ells> tritium: 54 bucks, that is a steal
[06:49] <EvilIdler> I burn in stereo. A DVD burner in each computer :)
[06:49] <_blue> can someone help me with the ubuntu live cd
[06:49] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: how's that game with 64bit version comparing to 32bit?
[06:49] <_blue> it seems to stop loading once it says it could not create /dev
[06:50] <Dr_Aevil> Lancellor: grr, you're not reading - type what I said, put a "\" after the my
[06:50] <tritium> ells, is that still avaiable?
[06:50] <Artemis3> cd <tab> is easier...
[06:50] <ells> tritium; yeap
[06:50] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:50] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Pretty much the same. I have only half a gig, though, so it's painful to even start it. I'll need to optimise my system.
[06:50] <ells> tigerdirect.com
[06:50] <Dr_Aevil> spartas: ah ok :)
[06:50] <ells> even does dual layer
[06:50] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:50] <Lancellor> i did it actually i copy and paste it
[06:50] <ells> EvilIdler: what ya use to compress video for dvds
[06:50] <kakalto> Jan23, wtf, go away
[06:51] <orospakr> hi! how can I set automake-1.9 as the default automake? or should I just change the symlink by hand?
[06:51] <Dr_Aevil> Lancellor: well is there a directory called that? remember linux is case sensitive..
[06:51] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: half a gig isn't enough for a game?
[06:51] <frank> EvilIdler: is UT2004 actually available 64bit?
[06:51] <EvilIdler> ells: I don't - it's only for backing up stuff, really. But I guess transcode would do the job, and I think there is one DVD authoring frontend which uses it
[06:51] <Lancellor> yes
[06:51] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:51] <EvilIdler> frank: Yep. Icculus ports to 32- and 64-bit Linux, plus Mac.
[06:51] <Lancellor> when you open home  there is and icon for desktop
[06:52] <spartas> Lancellor: is is documents or my documents?
[06:52] <spartas> Lancellor: is it?
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> this is quite funny really
[06:52] <ells> EvilIdler: I have been thru it all, it wont work for me, but i was told that dvd shrink is about it to do complete backups
[06:52] <Lancellor> so in the same folder i created an other folder call My Documentes
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> how have we got to discussion the icon for your desktop?
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> right
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> well you see it's case sensitive see
[06:53] <Lancellor> i mean My Documents] 
[06:53] <EvilIdler> ells: The WinXP box has CloneDVD2, which does an excellent job should I ever need it. dvd::rip for even more compression on Linux, though.
[06:53] <spartas> Lancellor: okay do cd ~; cd My\ <tab>
[06:53] <Dr_Aevil> so if it was called that you must type cd <path>/My\ Documents
[06:53] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:53] <ells> EvilIlder: it compreses to .avi in dvd rip
[06:53] <spartas> lancellor: or even cd ~/M<tab>
[06:54] <EvilIdler> ells: Yep. And that's what some people need for some purposes.
[06:54] <Lancellor> ok let me try again
[06:54] <Lancellor> thanks for been so patience
[06:54] <Kamping_kaiser> hi ells
[06:54] <EvilIdler> ells: I could use a proper DVD authoring tool in Linux, though. A friend of mine is making movies and needs a hand in editing.
[06:54] <ells> Kamping_kaiser: whats up man?
[06:55] <ells> EvilIlder: I have not had much luck, but dvd shrink in wine is supposed to do the trick
[06:55] <EvilIdler> ells: I can rule out Wine here.
[06:55] <Kamping_kaiser> not much mate. just unstabalised in hte last 15 odd minutes. just after i fixed the other computer ;)
[06:55] <ells> EvilIdler: why?
[06:55] <Lancellor> is there any place or link where i can learn all this codes????
[06:56] <EvilIdler> ells: AMD64. The short version is "No".
[06:56] <spartas> google unix commands
[06:56] <ells> EvilIlder: okay, sorry to hear that
[06:56] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:56] <Jan23> hi any woman need get my big black cock
[06:56] <Kamping_kaiser> jan23. wrong forum
[06:56] <EvilIdler> ells: 32-bit games work, but Wine is worse. I can absolutely not compile it without cross-compiling to ia32, and the binaries I've tried are flakier than usual.
[06:57] <ells> EvilIlder, really, sorry to hear that
[06:57] <spartas> lancellor: the manual pages usually help, but there's no manual entry for cd, you can try "man ls" and "man pwd", try out google for linux commands
[06:57] <tritium> daniels, can you remove the porn bot please?
[06:57] <EvilIdler> ells: I get by with a gaming computer on my left hand :)
[06:57] <Kamping_kaiser> thanks daniels
[06:57] <tritium> thanks, daniels
[06:58] <ells> EvilIlder: I have win on my laptop with linux as well, but am trying to wean off of windows
[06:58] <daniels> if that happens again, let me know so this window goes purple
[06:58] <Lancellor> thanks i rename the name to Documents
[06:59] <EvilIdler> ells: XP is an entertainment-only system for me, and this AMD64 runs only Linux. There's also a PS2 hooked up to the TV card. Only need a Mac Mini, then I have all the options I need :)
[06:59] <spartas> lancellor: it doesn't matter what you call it just as long as you remember to escape the space (use a "\ " instead of just " ")
[06:59] <ells> EvilIdler, sounds like you got it all
[07:00] <EvilIdler> ells: I was well-paid in my last job. All spent on hardware now :P
[07:00] <bob2> bah, jan23 did the same crap in #debian
[07:00] <george_> sooner or later I'm gonna become a regular on here, heh
[07:00] <EvilIdler> This is the wrong IRC network to spam ;)
[07:00] <ells> EvilIlder: I am piece mailing my sysem togther
[07:01] <ells> EvilIlder: I have this desktop, my toshiba 17 in, ,and my dell laptop
[07:01] <Dr_Aevil> really bad place to look for women too...I mean, come on..
[07:01] <george_> is there a way to delete things that are in the trash but that thing they belong to root?  I'm the only person who has access to this computer, so there's no issues in that sense, I can access root
[07:01] <_blue> man there is so much off topic stuff here
[07:01] <ells> EvilIlder: have to thank the wife, ya know
[07:01] <_blue> lol
[07:01] <george_> I can't delete stuff that I downloaded =(
[07:01] <EvilIdler> ells: I've only got one awful upgrade job to do now..this AMD64 needs the replacement fan I just bought. That means taking out the whole motherboard, which is what I hate most.
[07:01] <Dr_Aevil> _blue: 'tis called conversation and community :P
[07:01] <Lancellor> i got it
[07:01] <Lancellor> i got it
[07:02] <ells> EvilIdler: I know the deal, I built this desktop
[07:02] <Lancellor> i got it
[07:02] <freex> can i ask an apache question?
[07:02] <Lancellor> thnaks
[07:03] <dracflamloc> freex: theres plenty of people in #apache =)
[07:03] <biatche_> 5.04 is gonna be released today, right? april 8th?
[07:03] <freex> okies thank for the link
[07:03] <Xeon3D> yup
[07:03] <bob2> biatche_: yes
[07:03] <bob2> biatche_: dunno which timezone, tho
[07:03] <george_> is there a way to mass chown, or chown everything within a file?  what's the command for it?
[07:04] <tritium> biatche_, 8:00 UTC, approximately
[07:04] <seven_six_two> i installed 5.04 and tried to install a bunch of games from universe...nothing added to applications menu though
[07:04] <kakalto> shit
[07:04] <kakalto> I don't have a cdrom
[07:04] <Kamping_kaiser> seven_sex_two. you need debian menu
[07:04] <kakalto> what is the cdrom drive usually called under /dev/ ?
[07:04] <kakalto> apart from cdrom
[07:05] <Kamping_kaiser> cdrom1
[07:05] <Kamping_kaiser> cdrom0
[07:05] <seven_six_two> Kamping_kaiser, just add my own to panel?
[07:05] <kakalto> apart from cdrom
[07:05] <Kamping_kaiser> it apears inside applications. search it with apt or synaptic
[07:05] <bob2> kakalto: hdc
[07:05] <seven_six_two> thnx
[07:06] <george_> Could someone please tell me how to chown an entire file
[07:06] <Kamping_kaiser> george_ folder or file?
[07:06] <kakalto> any others?
[07:06] <tritium> kakalto, "dmesg | grep hd" should help you find it
[07:06] <george_> it's a folder I downloaded and unzipped as root.
[07:06] <george_> with other folders and files inside of it
[07:06] <tritium> kakalto, is it ATAPI or SCSI?
[07:06] <Kamping_kaiser> chown -R username.username /folderdir
[07:07] <george_> thanks =)
[07:07] <kakalto> that was giving me a real fright
[07:07] <pvh> Hoary migration: What packages have been changed that I need to switch over manually?
[07:07] <Kamping_kaiser> ;) george_ it might be lowercase r
[07:07] <lucychili> =)
[07:07] <Kamping_kaiser> :) you again
[07:07] <lucychili> lurk
[07:07] <pvh> Hoary migration: I'm thinking of polypaudio, which I know nothing about other than I don't think I'm using it.
[07:07] <kakalto> thing is, my hard drive is sda, my cd drive is hda, and I thought hda was my hdd >_>
[07:07] <kakalto> I have sata hdd
[07:07] <kakalto> whew
[07:08] <tritium> cool, you found it with dmesg?
[07:08] <orospakr> pvh, ps aux | grep esd. :) also ps aux | grep polypaudio
[07:08] <kakalto> tritium, yeah, thanks
[07:08] <EvilIdler> Bleh. Do not kick the DSL modem's powersupply.
[07:08] <tritium> kakalto, np
[07:08] <pvh> orospakr: yep, still on esd.
[07:08] <george_> other folders within the folder still belong to root =/
[07:08] <kakalto> can I 'cat' pdf files?
[07:08] <tritium> pvh, they decided not to switch to esd yet
[07:08] <libben> no
[07:08] <tritium> I mean polypaudio
[07:08] <kakalto> :(
[07:09] <pvh> tritium: oh
[07:09] <tritium> They stuck with esd for now
[07:09] <Kamping_kaiser> george_ type chown --help and it tells you the details. but what i told you should be about right
[07:09] <orospakr> I hope gtkcairo and glitz get included at some point. :)
[07:10] <pvh> orospakr: wow, that's cool
[07:10] <seven_six_two> Kamping_kaiser, i see a pkg named "menu" for providing update menus function for some applications
[07:10] <seven_six_two> in synaptic
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> that could be it
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> i just used the lot ;) one worked
[07:10] <seven_six_two> lol...did you have to do anything special after?
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> no.
[07:11] <Kamping_kaiser> i installed it under hoary
[07:11] <dracflamloc> interesting
[07:11] <Kamping_kaiser> and it didnt appear untill hoary. sorry i installed under warty
[07:11] <dracflamloc> installing the kernel sources with synaptic doesnt actually extract them
[07:11] <kakalto> FRAMES!!!!
[07:11] <kakalto> bitch
[07:11] <bob2> kakalto: language, please
[07:11] <kakalto> bob2, sorry
[07:12] <kakalto> those frikn' idiots @ philips made frames with no links
[07:12] <pvh> tritium: oh, i thought the official release was yesterday not tomorrow
[07:12] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Frames?! Are you surfing with a timemachine?
[07:12] <kakalto> grrrr
[07:12] <kakalto> yes
[07:12] <kakalto> lynx
[07:12] <Kamping_kaiser> lol
[07:12] <kakalto> which can't support frames
[07:12] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Try links
[07:12] <tritium> pvh, very soon...
[07:12] <kakalto> heheh.
[07:12] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Get links-ssl, even
[07:13] <pvh> tritium: is there anything i can do to help? i've been running hoary for a few months now
[07:14] <Enspyron> ...
[07:14] <tritium> pvh, I think that with only a few hours left, we're all just waiting at this point.
[07:14] <pvh> tritium: i meant after the release drops
 tritium: oh, i thought the official release was yesterday not tomorrow
[07:14] <libben> waiting for something we allready has =) but I will love that its officially released
[07:14] <tritium> pvh, oh, sure, you can get involved in many ways :)
[07:14] <pvh> tritium: i guess fire-control in forums and stuff like that would be useful.
[07:14] <Enspyron> us there a bew version?
[07:15] <Enspyron> is*
[07:15] <pvh> Enspyron: tomorrow Hoary Hedgehog drops
[07:15] <tritium> Enspyron, Hoary release in a matter of hours
[07:15] <pvh> Enspyron: maybe today in your time zone
[07:15] <EvilIdler> My local Hoary mirror just received update source packages..
[07:15] <ryman> I'm waiting
[07:15] <tritium> pvh, #ubuntu-love is where you can find out more about getting involved
[07:16] <kakalto> how do I find out where my mouse input is?
[07:16] <pvh> tritium: cool. i'll stop by after my file-system is compiling.
[07:16] <tritium> pvh, cool :)
[07:16] <kakalto> cat /dev/input ?
[07:16] <chong> /sev/input/mice
[07:16] <george_> arg.  lets say I'm trying to change a file yum-2.2.1 that's owned by account already, and all the files inside it, which are owned by root, so that they are all owned by account.  What do I type?  I hate to ask but I've read the man so many times and it just doens't seem to work in the way I interpret it =/
[07:16] <chong> *dev
[07:16] <Kamping_kaiser> seven_six_two , hows it gone?
[07:18] <biatche_> in how many hours is 0800 UTC?
[07:18] <kakalto> wish me luck, guys
[07:19] <tritium> biatche_, just under 3
[07:19] <chong> 1:40
[07:19] <Lancellor> other question how would you install this software this is the name of the file     "kaid-7.0.0.4-linux_x86.tar.bz2"
[07:19] <smouche> somebody mentioned lynx and links -- I just downloaded "elinks" from synaptic -- it's marked as "supported" by ubuntu
[07:19] <Kamping_kaiser> george_ chown -R george.george /yum-2.2.1
[07:19] <Enspyron> on the ftp at the official website, it has 2 maps called 5.04 and hoary. the description of the map is the same (ubuntu 5.04) what is the difference?
[07:19] <Kamping_kaiser> none
[07:19] <smouche> so far, elinks seems like an amazing improvement over lynx
[07:19] <chong> Enspyron, they go to the same thing
[07:19] <chong> symlinks methinks
[07:19] <Lancellor> and is in my home-abinadid-Documents
[07:20] <Enspyron> actually, hoary links to http://stuwww.uvt.nl/ubuntu/hoary/ and 5.04 links to http://stuwww.uvt.nl/ubuntu/5.04/
[07:21] <Enspyron> symlinks?
[07:22] <kakalto> guys, hoary thoroughly screwed my system
[07:23] <kakalto> wtf am I meant to do?
[07:23] <libben> reinstall?
[07:23] <Enspyron> what happened?
[07:23] <kakalto> F#$%#$%#$
[07:23] <Enspyron> lol
[07:24] <kakalto> I upgraded to hoary, and xorg won't accept my system. that's what happened
[07:24] <chong> kakalto, how bad did it screw you?
[07:24] <chong> ohse
[07:24] <chong> umm
[07:24] <bob2> "won't accept my system" isn't a bug report
[07:24] <chong> that sux
[07:24] <kakalto> I feel violated
[07:24] <kakalto> bob2, it won't give me a bug repory
[07:24] <libben> kakalto, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:24] <kakalto> report
[07:24] <bob2> do you mean, "the X autoconfiguration magic failed to produce working config"?
[07:24] <george_> thanks very much, the mistake I made was more of a pathing mistake, but the example helped =)
[07:24] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto you reinstalled through x
[07:24] <kakalto> libben,
[07:25] <Kamping_kaiser> ;) no worries george_
[07:25] <kakalto> I already did that 3 times
[07:25] <tritium> kakalto, have you inspected /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[07:25] <chong> kakalto, use yer old xf86config
[07:25] <kakalto> tritim, no, I haven't
[07:25] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto. at your console apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will fix it
[07:25] <tritium> chong, hoary uses xorg
[07:25] <chong> er well copy and paste bits out
[07:25] <chong> tritium, xorg is little more than a xfree4.4 fork at this point
[07:25] <chong> the config files are mostly the same
[07:25] <tritium> yes, that's fair to say
[07:25] <daniels> chong: er, there's a staggering difference between 4.4 and 6.8
[07:26] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto. i did the same thing
[07:26] <chong> daniels, not in the config file lingo
[07:26] <chong> from what i've seen
[07:26] <holycow> tritium, so i noticed today, all to my surprise
[07:26] <kakalto> Kamping_kaiser, I'll give it a go
[07:26] <Kamping_kaiser> :) good luck mate
[07:26] <tritium> holycow, what's that?
[07:26] <daniels> chong: the config file is the same because there's no need to change it
[07:26] <kakalto> why didn't they go with xorg from the start?
[07:26] <Kamping_kaiser> bbs
[07:26] <daniels> kakalto: not enough time
[07:26] <chong> daniels, and if he's left with a nonworking config then i see no reason why he cant just copy and paste bits from his xfree config ;)
[07:26] <kakalto> schedules always screw things up
[07:27] <chong> i mean its better than nothing
[07:27] <kakalto> look at Halo 2
[07:27] <RuffianSoldier> Halo 2 = Lamo 2
[07:27] <kakalto> it's so short
[07:27] <tritium> kakalto, I wouldn't go pointing blame at the release just yet...
[07:28] <kakalto> I followed the wiki hoaryupgradenotes directly
[07:28] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to change the charset for a channel? Im using irssi.
[07:28] <holycow> tritium, xorg
[07:29] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto. i think what happend (if its the same as me) is that X.org didnt install properly
[07:29] <tritium> holycow, oh, okay :)
[07:29] <libben> i3dmaster, have u tried /charset iso-8859-15 ?
[07:29] <holycow> :)
[07:29] <libben> dont know if it works like that
[07:29] <kakalto> wish me luck, I'm gonna go reboot
[07:29] <libben> but hav e utryed
[07:29] <libben> god luck
[07:29] <Kamping_kaiser> good luck kakalto
[07:29] <i3dmaster> libben: irssi has not such cmd. I've tried before
[07:29] <kakalto> Kamping_kaiser, I expect it's an issue with xorg installation
[07:29] <libben> man irssi?
[07:29] <i3dmaster> not like xchat
[07:29] <libben> or /j #irssi
[07:30] <Kamping_kaiser> lol @ kakalto
[07:30] <i3dmaster> asked, no one reply
[07:30] <ryman> I followed this page http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211&highlight=audigy
[07:30] <libben> ok
[07:30] <libben> www.google.com / irrsi+charset
[07:30] <ryman> after I added those line "snd-pcm oss ..." into the etc/modules
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> Hello all
[07:30] <ryman> how do I save it ?
[07:30] <libben> im sure u will find an answer on that search
[07:30] <ryman> hi Dr_Willis
[07:31] <Kamping_kaiser> hi dr_willis
[07:31] <i3dmaster> libben: k, let me try google it
[07:32] <kakalto> GRRRR
[07:32] <ryman> someone please help me with saving those line into the etc/modules
[07:32] <ryman> =(
[07:32] <kakalto> let me guess... I need to do another dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:32] <tritium> kakalto, what did your log file indicate?
[07:33] <kakalto> I don't know, what was the path again?
[07:33] <tritium> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:33] <libben> var/log/XorTAB
[07:34] <kakalto> tritium, exactly what part of it am I looking at?
[07:34] <kakalto> I think I found it
[07:34] <kakalto> "no screens found"
[07:34] <kakalto> >:(
[07:34] <tritium> kakalto, look for (EE)
[07:35] <tritium> kakalto, can you paste it to pastebin.com
[07:36] <|QuaD-> hey, can someone tell me if an swf (flash) file i made shows up decently? on my linux box it is coming out horrible
[07:36] <tritium> kakalto, or in #flood
[07:36] <kakalto> what, the whole thing, or just the EE line?
[07:36] <tritium> kakalto, a few lines above the (EE) line as well might be helpful
[07:36] <kakalto> tritium, in #flood
[07:37] <kakalto> k
[07:37] <tritium> ok
[07:38] <mrwoot> hey, i just installed ubuntu. How do i mount my other harddrives?
[07:39] <mrwoot> hey, i just installed ubuntu. How do i mount my other harddrives?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> mrwoot: what kinds?
[07:40] <mrwoot> harddrives?
[07:40] <libben> sata?
[07:40] <mrwoot> libben, one is sATA, and one is ATA
[07:41] <Burgundavia> sorry, I wasn't clear
[07:42] <Burgundavia> I was asking if they were windows, or other linux partitions
[07:42] <mrwoot> one is just a storage (sATA one), and one has windows installed on it
[07:42] <jacquesmerde> are we there yet? are we there yet?
[07:42] <kakalto> how on earth do I select something in nano?
[07:43] <jacquesmerde> kakalto, when you find out, please let me know!
[07:43] <libben> just drag with mouse?
[07:43] <EvilIdler> kakalto: ctrl-g for help
[07:43] <jacquesmerde> libben, what if you're in console?
[07:43] <tritium> kakalto, do you have a a webspace somewhere you can scp it to?
[07:44] <kakalto> no
[07:44] <kakalto> libben you %$#^%$, there is no mouse without X
[07:44] <libben> jacquesmerde, dont know =).. uuh.. u can install mouse driver in console also
[07:44] <EvilIdler> kakalto: meta-A to mark beginning of selection
[07:44] <libben> kakalto, yes there
[07:44] <libben> is
[07:44] <kakalto> do tell me
[07:44] <mrwoot> anyone willing to help?
[07:44] <kakalto> about it
[07:44] <kakalto> libben
[07:45] <EvilIdler> kakalto: gpm is the mouse program, I think
[07:45] <libben> yes
[07:45] <libben> thats the one
[07:45] <libben> was looking for a package..
[07:45] <libben> well u need to install gpm
[07:45] <libben> mdetect its called
[07:45] <libben> and works under console
[07:45] <libben> if i dont remember correctly
[07:46] <libben> it autodetects.
[07:46] <libben> or install gpm
[07:46] <kakalto> I'm getting seriously pissed off with this
[07:46] <ryman> anyone know how to enable the analog/digital output jack in 'alsamixer' for audigy2 ?
[07:46] <tritium> kakalto, calm down
[07:46] <ryman> please help me
[07:46] <libben> apt-get install gpm or apt-get install mdetect
[07:47] <kakalto> and how do I paste in irssi?
[07:47] <libben> i would try mdetect first
[07:47] <tritium> kakalto, if you can't paste the log file, don't worry about it.  Just describe the problem to us.
[07:47] <EricNeon> jdub
[07:47] <libben> if u have mouse. middle button... scroll wheel click.
[07:47] <libben> if u have mouse
[07:47] <kakalto> kalto, if you can't paste the log file, don't worry about
[07:47] <kakalto>                  it.  Just describe the problem to us.
[07:47] <kakalto> 17:47 < EricNeon> jdub
[07:47] <kakalto> 17:47 < libben> if u have mouse. middle button... scroll wheel click.
[07:47] <kakalto> oh that was good
[07:48] <EricNeon> jdubwhen our mailing list run?
[07:48] <tritium> kakalto, try "/exec -o cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" in #flood
[07:48] <seven_six_two> hiya. i tried to get the new games in my menu, but i want to add some by hand
[07:48] <seven_six_two> i can only seem to add the launcher to the panel
[07:49] <kakalto> tritium, I managed to paste
[07:49] <libben> how?
[07:49] <tritium> I'm looking
[07:49] <seven_six_two> is there a way to do this in gnome manually?
[07:49] <helloyo> seven_six_two, its stupid but currently you need a special tool to do it, nothing official
[07:50] <seven_six_two> lol. what might that tool be?
[07:52] <kakalto> libben, the mouse thing. thanks
[07:52] <libben> wich one ? mdetect or gpm?
[07:53] <jmi> Just upgraded to Hoary - how do I get spatial back on Nautilus?
[07:53] <seven_six_two> do they not include the special tool? or is menu editing too esoteric for their target audience?  lol
[07:54] <libben> seven_six_two, app app =) still not released =) just preview =)
[07:54] <Hmmmm> how many hours for the hoary release?
[07:54] <libben> i have menu-editor
[07:54] <kakalto> libben, gpm
[07:54] <Hmmmm> im getting my BT heated and running for it
[07:54] <tritium> seven_six_two, it's not an ubuntu decision.  It's due to adopting the freedesktop.org standards.  It's just a transition period.
[07:54] <libben> ok
[07:54] <robitaille> Hmmmm,  2 hours
[07:55] <Hmmmm> robin__, thanks
[07:55] <seven_six_two> hmm...so menu-editor then
[07:55] <Hmmmm> btw does it get releaed by southa african time?
[07:55] <tritium> 8:00 UTC
[07:55] <kakalto> how on earth do I exit VIM!!?!
[07:56] <tritium> :q
[07:56] <libben> never use it for first of =)
[07:56] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto <esc><esc> :q
[07:56] <libben> use nano
[07:56] <kakalto> it won't let me!
[07:56] <libben> ctrl c
[07:56] <libben> ?
[07:56] <kakalto> nope
[07:56] <markpr> kakalto: type :q!
[07:56] <kakalto> I usually use nano
[07:56] <kakalto> markpr, I did!!
[07:56] <kakalto> It said the file has been changed, and ignored me
[07:56] <markpr> kakalto: escape twice, then :q!
[07:56] <libben> anyone in here succeded in using bluetooth?
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[07:57] <Kamping_kaiser> do you want to save kakalto?
[07:57] <Kamping_kaiser> :wq
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> but I have lost my bluetooth dongle
[07:57] <kakalto> gah
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> and my phone is at home :(
[07:57] <kakalto> sorry about my ignorance, markpr, but I'm stressed out at the moment
[07:57] <tritium> seven_six_two, no, there is no menu editor yet
[07:58] <chron> anyone else have problems with modem detection in k/ubuntu?
[07:58] <benja> libben, i use bluetooth
[07:59] <chron> i had to boot knoppix to use kppp. ubuntu won't detect my external modem :-/
[08:00] <seven_six_two> ah i c. i thought you meant nothing official
[08:00] <libben> benja, ?
[08:00] <seven_six_two> thats not fun. can it be done by hand?
[08:01] <libben> u installed what to get it working?
[08:01] <george_> after I've used dpkg -b on a .deb file to get control.tar.gz anddata.tar.gz and a debian binary (those are the actual files), what do I do to install them to my computer?
[08:01] <huhe> i want to learn about this wonderful distro of ubuntu
[08:01] <george_> sorry for all the questions, heh
[08:01] <agris> hello my hoary started to freeze when i am using mozilla, or firefox, does anyone elsa has this problem?
[08:02] <libben> not me
[08:02] <seven_six_two> nor I
[08:02] <tritium> not me
[08:02] <orko> huhe: www.ubuntulinux.org
[08:02] <huhe> got it.  thanks
[08:03] <huhe> i am trying to install libdvdcss2 however it says it refers to another package.  i'm using hoary.  is it in multiverse ?
[08:03] <Kamping_kaiser> george_ try dpkg -i debfile. dont extract it
[08:03] <george_> ah.  thanks
[08:04] <tritium> I just noticed /etc/issue has "\n \l" at the end...that's odd
[08:04] <tritium> huhe, no, that's in Marillat's repo
[08:04] <huhe> should i get libdvdcss2 and then scrap the repository ?  i dont want things conflicting with things
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> huhe, right
[08:05] <huhe> also i hope i can upgrade to the official version from this release candidate
[08:05] <huhe> i hate doing double work
[08:05] <huhe> great
[08:05] <huhe> thank you
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> huhe, that'll be done for you, automaticly
[08:05] <huhe> very good
[08:05] <chron> anyone using dial-up ppp in ubuntu?
[08:05] <huhe> i appreciate the help
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> huhe, or just type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in about two hours :)
[08:06] <huhe> its out in two hours ???
[08:06] <tritium> yep
[08:06] <huhe> most excellent
[08:06] <agris> :)
[08:06] <huhe> i hope its exciting
[08:06] <huhe> countdown 3am :)
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> huhe, it should be totally alike from what you just installed, save for updated translations, new artwork, and a bugfix or two
[08:07] <huhe> i hope it comes with a new kernel.  i always get excited when new kernels come out
[08:07] <Kamping_kaiser> it does
[08:07] <huhe> thats fine
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> huhe, it's stil 2.6.10, but a new revision by ubuntu devs
[08:07] <huhe> though i'm used to nforce2 boards which i haven't had the best of luck with on linux
[08:08] <ac-id> why doesnt it say that hoary has been released?
[08:08] <tritium> because 2 hours need to pass first
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> ac-id, it'll be out in two hours
[08:08] <huhe> this one is VIA but has flawed chipset :(  i'm hoping t hey can save it through a bios update so i dont have to RMA the board and be without a computer
[08:09] <ac-id> 2 hours?
[08:09] <ac-id> :(
[08:09] <tritium> ac-id, yes
[08:09] <kakalto> Guys, the hoary upgrade has thoroughly screwed my system
[08:10] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, how?
[08:10] <kakalto> xorg won't work
[08:10] <sunpascal> hello
[08:10] <tritium> kakalto, I don't think it's so thorough.  i think it's a simple problem with xorg
[08:10] <kakalto> a simple problem that requires 100 hours to find
[08:10] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, ati or nvidia card?
[08:10] <sunpascal> anyone know how to enhance performance on a 200 mhz machine with only 64 mb ram
[08:10] <kkathman> kakalko, what happened?
[08:10] <kakalto> nvidia
[08:11] <huhe> is that upgrade from warty to hoary release candidate ?
[08:11] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, de-install gnome
[08:11] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, using nv or nvidia drivers?
[08:11] <Kamping_kaiser> sunpascal in what way?
[08:11] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I've tried both
[08:11] <sunpascal> I like gnome, HiddenWolf
[08:11] <kakalto> huhe, upgrade from 'net
[08:11] <kkathman> sunpascal, whew a tall order...start by not running a big desktop manager...i.e. try xfce not Gnome or KDE
[08:11] <huhe> sunpascal, lots of people hate gnome but i love it too
[08:12] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, gnome is a memory-hog not ment to run on anything with less than 128mb
[08:12] <sunpascal> HiddenWolf: OpenOffice is just too heavy
[08:12] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, true, it's a bitch
[08:12] <huhe> maybe its because hoary is in a transitory process but you'd think they'd have sense enough to change the links
[08:12] <tritium> huhe, have you not updated/upgraded since installing the release candidate?
[08:12] <_blue> man, i wish i could just set cron to wget the isos
[08:12] <kkathman> sunpascal, I had a machine with 96mb and when I switched to XFCE it was much more performant
[08:12] <_blue> but noooooo
[08:12] <huhe> yes i have
[08:12] <_blue> they wont tell me when
[08:12] <huhe> i am updated
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> huhe, in 99% of the cases the upgrade goes very smooth
[08:13] <sunpascal> ok, what else is there other than Open Office?
[08:13] <matt__> whats the commandline switch to tell totem to play an audio cd, (i know that dvd:// works for dvds)
[08:13] <huhe> i am scared of the marillat though.  i'll give libdvdcss2 a try.
[08:13] <reparks> was in here a bit ago and sum 1 told me to go to System > Preferences > Removable Drives to stop the icon from apearing on the desktop
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, abiword
[08:13] <kkathman> sunpascal, is there no way you can upgrade the memory at all?
[08:13] <kakalto> freaking xorg/xf86
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> huhe, marillat is quite safe, there isn't a desktop debian-deriviate user who doesn't use it
[08:13] <reparks> but that doesnt stop it, that just makes it stop autoloading, when i mount it manualy it still gets on the desktop
[08:14] <chron> kakalto, what kind of gl problem are you having?
[08:14] <kakalto> I don't know, but x won't start
[08:14] <reparks> is there any way to stop removable drives and CDs and stuff from showing up on the desktop *period*
[08:14] <kkathman> HiddenWolf, I thought that marillat was only for Warty, for Hoary too?
[08:14] <huhe> before i install libdvdcss2 do i need to create an encryption key ?
[08:14] <sunpascal> kkathman, I already doubled the ram ....
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, it'd help if you would file a bug in bugzilla and append your xorg logs
[08:14] <huhe> to identify with hoary
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> kkathman, it is quite safe with hoary as well, yeah
[08:14] <kakalto> gah!
[08:15] <chron> are you using nvidia drivers kakalto?
[08:15] <kakalto> I've tried both nv & nvidia, neither work
[08:15] <BuffaloSoldier> kkathman, hello sir
[08:15] <sunpascal> HiddenWolf, I thought of abiword, too. Is it a lot faster?
[08:15] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I want a gui working soon, not in 6 months
[08:15] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, we'll help you fix it if you give us the error, but the devs need to know about messed up upgrades so they can trace it and fix it
[08:15] <sataere> Hey everyone, I'm having a problem with mplayer, it won't play ogm files.  I will start it up with mplayer movie.ogm, and it will say "playing movie.ogm" and for a while, my system does a lot of work but no video pops up or anything, and then it quits out like it played the movie fine.
[08:15] <kkathman> sunpascal, I gave up on the 96 mb system personally.. spent $299 bought parts and put together a nice 512 mb machine with AMD 2500+. CD. and 40GB...runs KDE like a top
[08:15] <HiddenWolf> sunpascal, no clue, sorry
[08:16] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I posted my xorg logs in #flood a few minutes ago
[08:16] <sunpascal> kkathman, yeah I know. I've got a fast machine too. Just thought I could get this old thing to run with linux.
[08:16] <kkathman> sunpascal, you can get by on 256 fairly easily as long as you have a dedicated video card
[08:16] <kakalto> but navigating the 'net with lynx isn't the easiest task
[08:16] <matt__> whats the commandline switch to tell totem to play an audio cd, (i know that dvd:// works for dvds)
[08:16] <kkathman> sunpascal, yeah, I had an old HP Pavillion...frustrated me more than anything :)
[08:17] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, give me the link to bugzilla, and I might just get the bug on there
[08:17] <seven_six_two> kakalto, can you paste them again?
[08:17] <Dre> is Ubuntu a good choice for someone who is new to linux?
[08:17] <kkathman> Dre, yes a very good choice in fact
[08:17] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ubuntu
[08:17] <Artemis3> yes
[08:17] <kakalto> seven_six_two, give me a few moments
[08:17] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, thanks
[08:17] <sunpascal> Dre, Ubuntu is really good for beginners.
[08:17] <Dre> okie
[08:17] <lmx> sorry to join and ask a question that has been asked a million times already i'm sure... but any idea how far away ubuntu is? hard to work out with the timezones etc
[08:17] <Dre> which one do I download?
[08:17] <kakalto> Dre, so long as you don't try to upgrade from warty to hoary
[08:18] <deFrysk> Dre, specially on this channel people think its a good choice
[08:18] <Olsen> can i get the entire repository on cd or something? i want to install ubuntu on a computer that don't have internet access
[08:18] <sunpascal> Dre: It's got a lot of graphical configuration utilities
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> dre, wait a few hours
[08:18] <Dre> does it have grub/lilo?
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> dre, new release will be out in 2 hours
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> dre, grub
[08:18] <seven_six_two> i might choose another for a beginner, but it wasn't too bad
[08:18] <Dre> oh okie
[08:18] <sataere> Hey everyone, I'm having a problem with mplayer, it won't play ogm files.  I will start it up with mplayer movie.ogm, and it will say "playing movie.ogm" and for a while, my system does a lot of work but no video pops up or anything, and then it quits out like it played the movie fine.
[08:18] <Dre> thanks HiddenWolf
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> seven_six_two, and fedora is good?
[08:19] <kkathman> Dre, I tried RH9, Libranet, FC3 and Ubuntu, and the latter was the only one of those that installed without a hitch and recognized all my hardware
[08:19] <seven_six_two> i tried it for 2 days on core 1
[08:19] <HiddenWolf> sataere, we heard you, apperantly nobody can help, try again in half an hour or so
[08:19] <seven_six_two> didn't give it enough time to judge
[08:19] <Dre> great!
[08:19] <HiddenWolf> seven_six_two, brave man, I ditched in an hour
[08:19] <Dre> how about compiling stuff.. does it have a big lib?
[08:19] <seven_six_two> i think mandrake is easy to set up
[08:19] <_blue> it is :)
[08:19] <seven_six_two> suse too
[08:19] <HiddenWolf> dre, I'd be very suprized if you'd need to compile anything
[08:20] <_blue> im using ubuntu on a test box for now
[08:20] <_blue> still keeping mandrake as primary OS
[08:20] <Dre> I'm doing my C++
[08:20] <HiddenWolf> seven_six_two, suse is a castrated old dog, imho
[08:20] <tritium> HiddenWolf, are you going to answer the pong reply to your ping?
[08:20] <kakalto> oh great
[08:20] <kkathman> Dre, you can install gcc for that
[08:20] <sunpascal> anyone know some other word processir than open office or abiword?
[08:20] <sataere> HiddenWolf, just checking, often I post once and nobody replies, then I post again and I have three people offering suggestions ;)
[08:20] <seven_six_two> lol. it was easy to set up though
[08:20] <Dre> oh okie
[08:20] <kakalto> now I messed around with the configuration files, I don't get errors in my logs
[08:20] <_blue> sunpascal: try word
[08:20] <Olsen> can i get the entire repository on cd or something? i want to install ubuntu on a computer that don't have internet access
[08:20] <kakalto> #%#$^
[08:20] <_blue> in cxoffice
[08:20] <turf> can i install mplayer in my ubuntu running on a ppc architecture? ill use the source!
[08:20] <kakalto> Olsen, you want 14000 packages on cd?
[08:20] <kkathman> sunpascal, well its primitive, but you could always try gedit I guess
[08:20] <Dre> the problem is, I'm so used to windows that I'm afraid of partitioning it wrongly
[08:21] <kkathman> Dre, Ubuntu will do it for you
[08:21] <HiddenWolf> tritium, sorry, got carried away
[08:21] <Dre> oh okie
[08:21] <tritium> HiddenWolf, :)
[08:21] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I can't post a bug
[08:21] <holycow> mandrake just changed their name to mandrive
[08:21] <sunpascal> kkathman, gedit isn't enough
[08:21] <Olsen> kakalto: what should i do then?
[08:21] <sataere> I think ubuntu is a bit too easy to set up.  I use pppoe, and it detected it as normal ethernet, so it tried to check the package database and hung there for a good half hour.
[08:21] <holycow> buahahaha
[08:21] <kakalto> the logs don't show the error
[08:21] <holycow> stupidest name evar
[08:21] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, don't have an acount?
[08:21] <kkathman> sunpascal, sorry, it was worth a shot I guess
[08:21] <kakalto> Olsen, don't ask me, I got serious issues
[08:21] <sunpascal> kkathman, would be nice if it was able to do some formatting
[08:21] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, no
[08:22] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, also, I have no bug to report, apart from that X doesn't start
[08:22] <kkathman> mandiva I think not mandrive
[08:22] <kakalto> the log files don't show any errors any more
[08:22] <Flonne> Mandriva*
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, well, that, and your logs should be enough to start with
[08:22] <sataere> I also dislike havng my root account use the same password as my user account, but that's personal preference I suppose.
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> sataere, root is disabled by default
[08:22] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, ok...
[08:22] <sunpascal> I have no idea where to start looking for a low resource- word processor	
[08:22] <Artemis3> your root account does not use your user password
[08:22] <kkathman> sunpascal, the 64mb limit is going to heavily constrain you.  Only possibility is to try a thinning Desktop manager like xfce and see if that helps with open office...im skeptical
[08:23] <libben> sataere, u dont have a root accout
[08:23] <_blue> sunpascal: vim is the lowest resource you can get
[08:23] <huhe> nerim.net is wanting a pubkey.  i can't find the place in the documentation on how to generate one
[08:23] <sataere> HiddenWolf, root is enabled, just not from the login
[08:23] <tritium> sataere, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:23] <daniels> kakalto: as HiddenWolf says, we really do need the logs to do anything useful
[08:23] <Kamping_kaiser> sunpascal abiword
[08:23] <libben> u just call in a super user moment with su
[08:23] <Artemis3> word processor? abiword?
[08:23] <libben> sudo i ment
[08:23] <sunpascal> vim is all just command line
[08:23] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, daniels is the guy who maintains xorg in ubuntu, if anyone can help you, it's him
[08:23] <tritium> huhe, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/
[08:24] <sunpascal> I guess I'll try abiword
[08:24] <huhe> thank you
[08:24] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:24] <kkathman> hi Sp4rKy
[08:24] <sunpascal> hey, this computer used to run Windows 2000 with M$ Word
[08:25] <sunpascal> there must be some way to get a similar performance with linux
[08:25] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, I don't have a bugzilla account!
[08:25] <Dre> I just ordered CDs
[08:25] <Dre> can't wait for em
[08:25] <Arnia> Yay... I got my arch dialog working
[08:25] <kkathman> sunpascal, you are telling me that a 64 mb machine ran Win2000??? hmmm
[08:25] <kakalto> and I'm not likely to be able to access my email in lynx or links2!
[08:25] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, takes 10 seconds to create one, if you would, otherwise, look nicely at daniels. :)
[08:25] <sunpascal> yeah it did, kathman
[08:25] <Dre> do you think they would really send?
[08:25] <libben> wonders if they gonna change the logo ?
[08:25] <sataere> I know how to use sudo, but I prefer to have a seperate (much longer) password for my root account.  I did a sudo passwd, but I still had to put in my user password to access things like synaptic
[08:25] <Arnia> Its only taken my a day to one dialog ;)
[08:26] <libben> i mean... look at www.ubuntulinux.com =)
[08:26] <nuge> so um.. is it april 8 yet ? :)
[08:26] <libben> its not 3 ppl hugging like inte the look
[08:26] <kakalto> HiddenWold, and I'm not likely to be able to access my email in lynx or links2!
[08:26] <libben> its 5 now.
[08:26] <kakalto> HiddenWolf*
[08:26] <libben> wonders if they will sneak in a updated logo... hmmm
[08:26] <H0lyD4wg> My timezone is Asia/Jerusalem. it it daylight saving time now but date(1) etc. don't adjust for it. why is it so?
[08:26] <_blue> sunpascal: try flwriter
[08:27] <sataere> I liked the three better, being greeted by a top down view of two women with open shirts just makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside
[08:27] <_blue> its SUPER light
[08:27] <kakalto> HiddenWolf?
[08:27] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, register with hidde4@hotmail.com, (one of mine) you can change it later
[08:27] <topyli> nuge: depends on where you live :)
[08:27] <sunpascal> ok, I'll check out flwriter...
[08:27] <sunpascal> thanks guys
[08:27] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, done
[08:27] <tritium> nuge, in just about 1.5 hours it'll release
[08:27] <_blue> np, i dont even use ubuntu yet :)
[08:27] <sataere> Whereas looking down at a bunch of kids hugging and laughing almost makes me want to throw up.
[08:28] <nuge> tritium: ok cool thanks
[08:28] <Dre> is it 5.4?
[08:28] <Dre> do i download that?
[08:28] <Kamion> 5.04
[08:28] <Dre> oh yeah that?
[08:28] <HiddenWolf> Dre, hoary, akak 5.04 will be released as stable in 90 minutes, wait till then
[08:28] <Dre> okie dokie
[08:28] <Dre> can't wait
[08:29] <Artemis3> 90 minutes...
[08:29] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, got it yet?
[08:29] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, pm
[08:29] <topyli> now that time is nigh, i've been hit by a _new_ bug. the weather applet doesn't work and i have to actually look out the window :)
[08:29] <_blue> Hiddenwolf? you bs-ing the chan?
[08:29] <tritium> topyli, it works here
[08:29] <HiddenWolf> _blue, why would I?
[08:29] <_blue> iono, i dont know you yet :)
[08:29] <Artemis3> hahahaa
[08:29] <sataere> topyli, I have that same problem.  :(
[08:29] <Kamion> _blue: no, his comment is accurate
[08:30] <Sp4rKy> anything here use graveman?
[08:30] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, now ask daniels what he needs and give it to him
[08:30] <_blue> i will once i start getting involved with the ubuntu community
[08:30] <topyli> sataere: is it raining there? just debugging :)
[08:30] <huhe> i installed mplayer-plugin from marillat and it would not fully load, closed out.
[08:30] <sataere> topyli, it actually was
[08:30] <_blue> i think ill get to be pretty active in here :)
[08:30] <topyli> hehe
[08:30] <caleb_> where do you set your face icon for GDM?
[08:30] <sataere> topyli, It went down around that point, too.
[08:30] <huhe> can i remove a installed package from marillat to avoid conflicts ?
[08:31] <HiddenWolf> huhe, apt-get remove <packagename>
[08:31] <topyli> sataere: so let's file a bug: gnome-weather fails when it's raining =)
[08:31] <huhe> i installed mplayer-mozilla :(
[08:31] <huhe> thanks
[08:31] <libben> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=22823&file1=22823-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=ubuntu_sphere
[08:31] <sataere> topyli, cool, show me where to put my two cents
[08:31] <HiddenWolf> libben, wow
[08:31] <mvirkkil> libben: Sweet
[08:32] <Artemis3> Chocolate!
[08:32] <topyli> sataere: the ubuntu bugzilla of course :)
[08:32] <topyli> sataere: probably typos in the locations strings or something
[08:33] <topyli> sataere: where are you at?
[08:33] <_blue> HiddenWolf: are you an ubuntu dev?
[08:33] <sataere> huhe, the mplayer package from ubuntu sucks ass.  You'll need to compile your own version with all the codecs, then install plugger.
[08:33] <ben> wasn't Hoary 5.4 final supposed to be out a half hour ago?
[08:33] <holycow> libben, i like that
[08:33] <HiddenWolf> _blue, groupie, really
[08:33] <Kamion> ben: no
[08:33] <holycow> ubuntu is the wrong colour
[08:33] <ben> *5.04
[08:33] <Kamion> ben: I think you have your timezones the wrong way round
[08:33] <Artemis3> no
[08:33] <holycow> that needs to be white/crystal or something of that nature
[08:33] <topyli> sataere: get christian marillat's mplayer
[08:33] <ben> probably... which one is it?
[08:33] <ac-id> it dont come with cd writing software :/
[08:33] <sataere> topyli, Montreal, I use the Dorval area
[08:33] <Kamion> ben: 8am UTC
[08:33] <ben>  (in hawaii...)
[08:33] <_blue> HiddenWolf: nothing wrong with that....:P
[08:33] <ben> thanks
[08:34] <mvirkkil> Just noticed this: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=22816&file1=22816-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Ubuntu+OpenOffice.org+Splash
[08:34] <topyli> sataere: this is helsinki/malmi, finland
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> ac-id, nautilus can burn cd's, graveman is in universe
[08:34] <Sp4rKy> only one upgrade between yesterday and today, hoary may be stable ...
[08:34] <ac-id> sataere, yes i had to do that myself too
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> _blue, I don't think so
[08:34] <ac-id> ko
[08:34] <tritium> ac-id, gnomebaker is also in Hoary universe
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, package xserver-xorg
[08:34] <Sp4rKy> anybody use graveman here ???
[08:34] <sataere> topyli, I would think that my custom compiled mplayer is better than his generic one O.o
[08:34] <Artemis3> Oh more chocolate!
[08:34] <_blue> has |rufius| been in here often?
[08:34] <ben> in that case... will the RC be able to update to the final without having to download a whole 'nother ISO?
[08:35] <topyli> sataere: certainly, if you've already built it
[08:35] <Kamion> ben: sure
[08:35] <ben> thankee... i'll get started  now :^))
[08:35] <Kamion> Sp4rKy: upgrade> yes, main has been locked down for uploads by manual approval only since yesterday
[08:36] <jbm__> anyone know howto set up ubuntu on dual boot system with RAID 0?
[08:36] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Ugh, don't like that
[08:36] <dazed> my comp keeps FREEZING randomly and i dont know whats causing it...started when i updated to hoary but my hoary on laptop runs fine
[08:36] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Me neither. Too hard to read and not all that pretty.
[08:37] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, it's your config file alright, but the upgrade screwed it, so it's a bug
[08:37] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, did you manage to file it?
[08:37] <mvirkkil> Arnia: The O's don't balance
[08:38] <Xeon3D> how do I install TTF Fonts  into my ubuntu...:P
[08:39] <huhe> open locations fonts:///
[08:39] <topyli> Xeon3D: you're probably talking about the microsoft fonts?
[08:39] <Xeon3D> not really microsoft ones
[08:39] <huhe> true type
[08:39] <Xeon3D> other TTF fonts
[08:39] <HiddenWolf> msttscorefonts, right?
[08:39] <Xeon3D> nope.
[08:39] <topyli> Xeon3D: then huhe is correct, but that's local to your user
[08:39] <Xeon3D> random fonts from the internet
[08:40] <Xeon3D> yah huhe was correct.. just downloaded some ttf files..and I wanted to install them.
[08:40] <Xeon3D> can't I install them for all users?
[08:40] <topyli> Xeon3D: the real directory is $HOME/.fonts
[08:40] <tritium> topyli, that's not for all users
[08:40] <huhe> yes you can do it from console or nautiulus i prefer copy paste it simplifies it for me
[08:40] <topyli> tritium: right
[08:41] <huhe> must restart x font server too
[08:41] <topyli> huhe: i don't think so
[08:41] <huhe> dont need to restart ?  ok...
[08:41] <topyli> not sure
[08:41] <huhe> i have had to on all other distos i've tried
[08:41] <topyli> gnome is smart :)
[08:42] <Arnia> mvirkkil: And the background is patterned rather cheaply IMO
[08:42] <Arnia> Looks like a stock Gimp fill
[08:42] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm sure it is :)
[08:42] <Xeon3D> found it..
[08:42] <Xeon3D> if you go to fonts:///
[08:42] <Sp4rKy> are there any soft as the gimp ?
[08:43] <tritium> Xeon3D, /usr/local/share/fonts/ would probably be where you'd want to place them for system-wide use
[08:43] <mvirkkil> Arnia: But have you seen the new hugging logo with the people
[08:43] <Xeon3D> or smth... :P
[08:43] <huhe> open locations fonts:///
[08:43] <mvirkkil> Arnia: The one that was too sexy in warty?
[08:43] <Xeon3D> thanks tritium
[08:43] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Now it looks perhaps less sexier but a lot uglier too
[08:43] <mvirkkil> Arnia: *less sexy, that is
[08:44] <huhe> how do i find out what resolution my xserver is running at ?
[08:44] <tritium> huhe, xdpyinfo | grep dim
[08:45] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I don't think its so bad (not a logo though)... although I'm wondering how many people they can squeeze in for Breezy :)
[08:45] <huhe> thank you so much
[08:45] <Sp4rKy> do you know other soft as the gimp ??
[08:46] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I think it looks amaturish compared to the sleek old one.
[08:46] <Kamion> Sp4rKy: what do you mean?
[08:46] <Sp4rKy> does exists other software such as the gimp ?
[08:46] <topyli> mvirkkil: where is this logo? gdm?
[08:47] <holycow> Sp4rKy, not much no
[08:47] <Kamion> the gimp covers a wide range of image-related functions
[08:47] <Kamion> there are many tools that fulfil a subset of those functions
[08:47] <holycow> infact gimp covers all raster image editing functions
[08:47] <mvirkkil> topyli: http://www.ubuntu.com/
[08:47] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I'm quite annoyed they've edited the templates in Plone
[08:47] <kkathman> does anyone know where to find kweather when its installed?  I thought it was supposed to be under the Toys area
[08:47] <topyli> Sp4rKy: there is nothing like gimp. there is nothing like gimp. there is nothing like gimp :)
[08:47] <Kamion> and other tools that provide things the gimp doesn't really provide (e.g. good vector image editing)
[08:48] <Olsen> can i use apt-get with ubuntu?
[08:48] <Kamion> Olsen: yes
[08:48] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Me and my partners spent months getting it so you wouldn't have to edit them... and they did anyway :p
[08:48] <topyli> Olsen: all your debian knowledge applies to ubuntu too
[08:48] <Kamion> Arnia: talk to Henrik about that
[08:48] <Kamion> he's posted on the lists I believe
[08:48] <Arnia> Kamion: did he do the skin?
[08:49] <Olsen> ok
[08:49] <Kamion> he and others, yeah
[08:49] <Olsen> what's the difference with ubuntu and debian then?
[08:49] <Sp4rKy> olsen yes a lot
[08:49] <Sp4rKy> but don't use debian server but ubuntu server
[08:49] <Arnia> Sorry, its just a personal bug-bear :) When you invest a lot of time and effort in something you tend to get kinda sensitive ;)
[08:49] <H0lyD4wg> My timezone is Asia/Jerusalem. it it daylight saving time now but date(1) etc. don't adjust for it. why is it so?
[08:49] <topyli> mvirkkil: oh yeah. i wonder if they're going to cover every skin tone eventually :)
[08:49] <topyli> mvirkkil: i like the idea though
[08:50] <mvirkkil> topyli: I liked the old one. That was slick.
[08:50] <subterrific> Arnia: you're saying they could have gotten the website to look like that an easier way?
[08:50] <topyli> mvirkkil: also, these are more like regular people, not models
[08:50] <Kamping_kaiser> does anyone know if hoary comes with ISA support by default?
[08:50] <Arnia> subterrific: Yeah
[08:50] <mvirkkil> topyli: Maybe they should've just put a bit more clothes on, but the graphical look was good
[08:51] <imPULSIV> morning
[08:51] <Kamping_kaiser> hi impulsive. your not an aussie ;)
[08:51] <Arnia> subterrific: Well, for the changes I've noted in the source, yes definitely
[08:51] <Kamping_kaiser> its eveinging here
[08:51] <topyli> mvirkkil: sure. but they were "beautiful people" ubuntu is for real "human beings"
[08:51] <kkathman> grrr kweather is on my system somewhere :)
[08:51] <imPULSIV> y? do they say like this?
[08:52] <Olsen> what is the big difference with debian/ubuntu?
[08:52] <Kamping_kaiser> olsen no root
[08:52] <jjpmr52> s
[08:52] <topyli> Olsen: in a nutshell, ubuntu is unstable frozen every six months and stabilized
[08:52] <holycow> yeah that seems to be pretty much it
[08:52] <mvirkkil> topyli: Then they should've used seth's pick, since he's even a gnome hacker: http://www.gnome.org/~clarkbw/images/seth.at.chi.jpg
[08:53] <Kamion> I thought the changes DID use CSS
[08:53] <chong> debian also supports a lot more packages and a lot more archs
[08:53] <Arnia> And Ubuntu packages with a focus on usability
[08:53] <mvirkkil> topyli: ;-)
[08:53] <Kamion> there is certainly an ubuntu.css there
[08:53] <imPULSIV> can so tell if there is the "real" version of hoary available for download?
[08:53] <Kamion> imPULSIV: not yet
[08:53] <jjpmr52> s
[08:53] <imPULSIV> such a pitty
[08:53] <Arnia> Kamion: Yes, they've used CSS but changed the markup too... which slightly defeats the point :)
[08:53] <Kamion> imPULSIV: dude
[08:53] <Kamion> imPULSIV: relax
[08:53] <jjpmr52> s
[08:53] <topyli> mvirkkil: hehe. or the one they had on april 1st :)
[08:53] <jjpmr52> s
[08:53] <Arnia> imPULSIV: You could download now and let update-manager take care of it :)
[08:53] <Kamion> imPULSIV: things are in progress
[08:54] <imPULSIV> when will it be there for my plesure?
[08:54] <chong> i'm waiting for the iso torrent
[08:54] <Kamion> imPULSIV: this channel will be told when it's there
[08:54] <imPULSIV> dont screem at me plz
[08:54] <imPULSIV> :)
[08:54] <imPULSIV> its not that my english is that bad
[08:55] <dazed> my comp keeps FREEZING randomly and i dont know whats causing it...started when i updated to hoary but my hoary on laptop runs fine
[08:55] <serbo> bud memory chip
[08:55] <topyli> imPULSIV: ur N'lish s33mz purrfect
[08:56] <imPULSIV> :) thx for the flowers
[08:57] <imPULSIV> can someone tell me if there will be any version of NVU available for downloading in the backports project?
[08:57] <topyli> imPULSIV: dunno, but the binary from nvu.com works just fine
[08:58] <imPULSIV> i know you canrun it by shell command
[08:58] <kakalto_> HiddenWolf!
[08:58] <kakalto_> I'm here
[08:58] <imPULSIV> i want to really install it prpperly
[08:58] <Arnia> imPULSIV: Why backports?
[08:58] <kakalto_> how do I take a nick back?
[08:58] <george_> I could use some help with installing nvidia drivers, heh
[08:58] <Arnia> kakalto_: Ghost them
[08:58] <topyli> imPULSIV: make an entry to the debian menu or use Amaranth's menu editor to add it in gnome menu
[08:59] <Arnia> kakalto: /msg nickserv ghost username password
[08:59] <kakalto_> Arnia, /ghost <name> ?
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, that did it?
[08:59] <imPULSIV> finding it on gnomefiles?
[08:59] <kakalto_> HiddenWolf, yeah....
[08:59] <Nabiki> hihi!!
[08:59] <mvirkkil> topyli: Didn't see the april 1st. Where could I see it?
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, good. :)
[08:59] <george_> I change the runmode in inittab to 0, since that's the only one that I know won't start up X,  and then run it in root, but it says it has no precompiled kernel interface to match the kernel
[08:59] <Kamion> 0 is the "halt" runlevel, not a real one
[08:59] <kakalto_> HiddenWolf, although I had to reboot, as gnome always crashes when logging in
[08:59] <george_> then it says it needs me to compile a kernel interface for my kernel
[09:00] <Kamion> boot in recovery mode rather than hacking inittab
[09:00] <imPULSIV> so you mean simply copy it over to where i wanna have it create menu entry and thats it?
[09:00] <george_> and THEN (sorry for the spam) it says it's unable to find the kernel source tree file for the currently running ckernel
[09:00] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, mind filing that bug for me now? Just mention that disabling dri and glx was needed for you to start xorg, and add the config and log file you saved.
[09:00] <tritium> kakalto, HiddenWolf what was the problem?
[09:00] <topyli> mvirkkil: if you updated on april 1st, the gdm theme showed a "circle of nerds" hold on, i'll see if i have it in the cache or somewhere
[09:00] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, and update that account to email you instead of me. :)
[09:00] <HiddenWolf> tritium, dri and or glx modules
[09:00] <imPULSIV> hey Kamion
[09:01] <HiddenWolf> Can't happily investigate now, got a visitor
[09:01] <tritium> HiddenWolf, hrm, the dri makes sense, but glx?
[09:01] <HiddenWolf> tritium, afaik he can try enabling modules and switch to nvidia drivers, my concern now was to make it work
[09:02] <tritium> HiddenWolf, agreed
[09:02] <kakalto_> but, HiddenWolf, my fonts look screwed..
[09:02] <kakalto_> like, different
[09:02] <kakalto_> the defaults are different?
[09:02] <kakalto_> and no japanese support
[09:02] <kakalto_> but that's side issues
[09:02] <kakalto_> what's with glx/dri
[09:02] <kakalto_> ?
[09:02] <HiddenWolf> kakalto, there should be a japanese language pack
[09:03] <tritium> kakalto, start by looking at your font preferences
[09:03] <george_> well, trying out just using safemode
[09:03] <george_> will probably be back, heh
[09:04] <george_> thanks =)
[09:04] <KK|Dinner> I'll be back
[09:04] <topyli> mvirkkil: hm. it's not in the april 1st ubuntu-artwork package :(
[09:05] <tritium> topyli, are you referring to the gdm login?  see planet.ubuntulinux.org (dholbach's entry)
[09:05] <topyli> tritium: that's the one
[09:05] <topyli> mvirkkil: see ^
[09:06] <mvirkkil> Yes
[09:06] <mvirkkil> topyli: :)
[09:06] <mvirkkil> topyli: I like thatone almost better than the new logo :-)
[09:06] <mvirkkil> topyli: This one is honest, while the newone looks amaturish.
[09:07] <topyli> damn right! :)
[09:07] <topyli> friends, food, drinks, fun
[09:09] <sataere> Ah, watching drunken imbeciles, the height of fun.
[09:09] <CicalaMvta> yeah, you name it ;)
[09:10] <topyli> sataere: please note that these drunken imbeciles build operating systems for you
[09:10] <sataere> topyli, lol not you guys
[09:11] <topyli> sataere: excactly, not me :)
[09:11] <sataere> topyli, I was just hauled away to watch trippy winamp plugins with my friends
[09:11] <ac-id> this is weird
[09:11] <sataere> While they partook in fermented wheat products
[09:11] <topyli> sataere: oh, i thought you were referring to the gdm theme we were discussing :)
[09:11] <ac-id> ive gone completely from a FreeBSD freak to Ubuntu freak in a matter of days
[09:12] <topyli> freaky
[09:12] <sataere> topyli, nono.  Afterall, who could have thought of the concept of linked lists except someone under the influence of heavy inebriation.
[09:12] <sanitario> does anyone understand why I haven't got the new gdm theme as shown on www.ubuntu.com ?
[09:13] <Kamion> sanitario: it's not the default
[09:13] <Flonne> Double linked lists would have required inebriation.
[09:13] <sanitario> Kamion, doh
[09:13] <Flonne> Drunkeness.
[09:13] <sataere> topyli, drunken-ness
[09:13] <slatkin> i love ham
[09:13] <sataere> topyli, yeah, what Flonne said
[09:13] <topyli> that's more like it :)
[09:14] <sanitario> Kamion, it's not even the one called Human circle of friends? How can I install it?
[09:14] <george_> gah
[09:14] <sataere> Hmm...I always preferred OpenBSD to FreeBSD
[09:15] <george_> I tried just running in safe mode, and I still have the same basic problem, which may or may not be related to that portion of it.  the nvidia driver installer can't find a precompiled kernel interface to match my kernel
[09:15] <zenrox> who wants to test something with xchat
[09:15] <sataere> But I only ever consider BSD as a server, not a desktop
[09:15] <chong> george_, thats fine just keep hitting ok and it will compile against the running kernel
[09:15] <yojimbo-san> tried OSX? BSD as a desktop :-) sweet :-)
[09:15] <zenrox> george_,  read www.ubuntuguide.org/temp for nvida driver install
[09:15] <Flonne> george_, silly question, but have you tried installing the nvidia packages provided by Ubuntu?
[09:15] <chong> you'll need source tho i believe
[09:16] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, tritium, where were we?
[09:16] <tritium> chong, nvidia kernel module is in linux-restricted-modules
[09:16] <george_> chong: I did that, it ended up not working through a series of error messages all related to the inability to compile the kernel, then to find the kernel source tree
[09:16] <george_> one thing at a time though, will try Zenrox's suggestion
[09:17] <chong> george_, if yer using the script you'll need the kernel source package for your kernel
[09:17] <tritium> george_, you need linux-restricted-modules that matches your kernel version, and nvidia-glx
[09:17] <chong> but yea use linux-restricted-modules if you can help it
[09:17] <sataere> OSX is nice, apples have their uses but I would not choose them over a PC
[09:17] <Kamion> sanitario: that's the right one, the thumbnail's just wrong (last-minute glitch)
[09:17] <tritium> otherwise, if you decide to build, you don't need full linux-source, as linux-headers will suffice
[09:18] <sanitario> Kamion, oh, that's why, thanks a lot
[09:18] <kakalto> tritium? HiddenWolf? what do the glx & dri files do? why don't they work? what do I need to do?
[09:19] <tritium> kakalto, what's not working now?
[09:19] <chong> w00t the link in the topic just updated the timestamps
[09:19] <Sp4rKy_old> do you know if it exists a software which scan installed softawre and auto add them in gnome panel ?
[09:19] <Tarion> weeeee
[09:19] <mvirkkil> Is it out: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ ?
[09:19] <Tarion> yep
[09:19] <kakalto> tritium, I'm just wondering what the glx & dri things do, why they don't work, whether I need to worry about them?
[09:19] <Kamion> not final until the announcement's out
[09:20] <kakalto> ?
[09:20] <Tarion> it's out
[09:20] <tritium> kakalto, not right now.  I'm about to head to bed.
[09:20] <mvirkkil> Kamion: But those are the isos?
[09:20] <chong> the torrent timestamp is from a few minutes ago
[09:20] <sataere> What is the point in downloading the latest iso when you can get all the packages from apt?
[09:20] <sataere> Perhaps I'm missing something
[09:21] <kakalto> sataere, the huge issue of upgrading
[09:21] <chong> sataere, for me i dont have it installed
[09:21] <chong> so i need install media
[09:21] <sataere> chong, ah, I understand that
[09:21] <chong> and i'd rather go from a stable cd than dist-upgrading
[09:21] <kakalto> I tried upgrading, and I had a huge issue
[09:21] <Kamion> mvirkkil: yeah
[09:21] <sataere> kakalto, ah I see
[09:21] <sataere> I upgraded fine from the preview
[09:21] <tritium> kakalto, yes, but that's not the majority case
[09:22] <mvirkkil> Kamion
[09:22] <sataere> Also, why does debian have 7 or so cds?  Can't you just get everything from apt?
[09:22] <mvirkkil> Kamion: The bt tracker refused me :(
[09:22] <mvirkkil> sataere: Of course you can
[09:23] <Kamping_kaiser> sataere not everyone can download 6 cds
[09:23] <mvirkkil> sataere: You only need the first CD to install
[09:23] <Kamion> mvirkkil: we haven't sent the announcement yet; things like that are still being verified and prepared
[09:23] <sataere> mvirkkil, I see, I didn;t know that
[09:23] <Kamping_kaiser> you only need 5 floppys to do a net install
[09:23] <Kamion> if you insist on downloading things before they're announced you can expect stuff to break ;)
[09:23] <ryman> is Hoary out ?
[09:23] <mvirkkil> Kamion: Ok, ok. I'll wait for the announcement :P
[09:23] <sataere> Heh, I'd rather use a cd
[09:24] <kalis> Gaah! Spatial browsing does not work any more ;) nautilus keeps closing all parent folders. is that a feature?
[09:24] <mvirkkil> Kamion: I'm running hoary anyway, I was just planning on helping out with seeding.
[09:24] <huhe> i can't find menu editor under system tools
[09:24] <chong> kalis, thats an ubuntu thang that will take a gconf setting to change
[09:24] <chong> but i dunno the key offhand
[09:24] <ryman> is the official Hoary out yet ?
[09:24] <EricNeon> jdubare here
[09:24] <ryman> ?
[09:24] <Tarion> yes ryman
[09:24] <ryman> thanks
[09:25] <ryman> I'm going to download it now
[09:25] <jdub> EricNeon: yes - we still need to figure out the zh/cn issue
[09:25] <huhe> could someone tell me where the menu editor is for gnome in hoary ?  i cannot find it
[09:25] <jdub> EricNeon: talking to smurfix about it now
[09:25] <tritium> huhe, there isn't one
[09:25] <huhe> i need to add a entry to internet
[09:26] <Kamion> ryman: it's not official until the announcement's out, which it isn't yet
[09:26] <Sp4rKy_old> please, nobody to answer me ??? :(
[09:26] <Kamion> the images are there so that mirrors can get hold of them
[09:26] <EricNeon> ok
[09:26] <kalis> aah it was in /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial
[09:26] <chong> ^^^
[09:27] <tritium> kalis, also in Edit->Preferences->Behavior tab
[09:28] <tritium> Sp4rKy_old, answer what question?
[09:28] <sataere> Ah, the wonderful smell of someone smoking the righteous while I step out to grab a coke.  :)
[09:28] <Sp4rKy_old> does exist any software which scan installed software and add them to gnome menu
[09:28] <bob2> easthero: can you please turn that off?
[09:29] <sataere> Hey, just curious, would there be any great reason to switch to Debian?  Are there any major differences between Debian and Ubuntu?  Doesn't debian have a bigger apt repertoire?
[09:29] <huhe> could someone please tell me how to add an entry to the internet menu in hoary ?
[09:29] <george_> say what's the new version of the Menu Editor called?
[09:30] <mvirkkil> Whee, 400KB/s on torrent :P
[09:30] <Beineri> george_: kmenuedit <gd&r>
[09:30] <tritium> huhe, I told you there's no menu editor
[09:30] <bob2> sataere: not by very much
[09:30] <serbo> can i install kubnuto from live_CD or in need the iso
[09:30] <huhe> then i'm following directions that lead me nowhere
[09:30] <sataere> bob2, How much?
[09:30] <kakalto> tritium, do ya think that if I download & write the iso, and completely re-install ubuntu hoary, I won't have any problems?
[09:30] <huhe> are you saying you cannot manually add an application ?
[09:31] <sataere> bob2, Have you used Debian?  I'm curious as to how it differs.
[09:31] <chong> i'm typing from a debian box right now
[09:31] <tritium> kakalto, it's possible, but I can't say.  I'm not familiar with your system or its current state
[09:31] <bob2> sataere: by a very small amount
[09:31] <bob2> sataere: yes, I used it for years
[09:31] <bob2> sataere: it's ubuntu with less defaults
[09:31] <sataere> bob2, Hmm
[09:31] <chong> and more packages
[09:31] <kalis> that "feature" is not very good i think ;) it opens in one window but the window keeps moving around just like the spatial behaviour...
[09:31] <sataere> bob2, No other differences?
[09:32] <tritium> chong, not that many more...
[09:32] <bob2> sataere: lots, but you won't appreciate it unless you use it
[09:32] <slatkin> cramfs
[09:32] <kakalto> tritium, I had no problems at all with warty install w/ XF86, why should they upgrade if xorg is more temperamental about hardware
[09:32] <chong> tritium, if you are strictly speaking main then there are quite a bit more
[09:32] <tritium> kakalto, it's not, really
[09:32] <bob2> sataere: if you're happy with ubuntu, there's little reason to move over to it.  and if you're a new user of linux, I wouldn't recomment it.
[09:32] <tritium> chong, I'm not.  I'm talking main, universe, multiverse
[09:33] <kakalto> is HiddenWolf still around?
[09:33] <EricNeon> jdub, can you read chinese?
[09:33] <sataere> No, I've used Caldera OpenLinux, then Red hat since version 6, then mandrake for a bit (even downloaded version 10 before they made it unfree), then Fedora 1, then Fedora 3 and now
[09:33] <kev0r> help, the new updates messed up my X!
[09:33] <jdub> EricNeon: no, but my fiancee can :)
[09:33] <sataere> And I used unix shells since long before that, so I'm not exactly new
[09:34] <kev0r> the updates updated the kernel, but not Nvidia-glx
[09:34] <sataere> Just never tried Debian
[09:34] <bob2> sataere: then you might like it.  make sure you get sarge, tho.
[09:34] <Sp4rKy_old> please :((
[09:35] <tritium> Sp4rKy_old, I asked you earlier what question you're seeking an answer to.
[09:35] <yusufg> EricNeon: is ubuntu localized appropiately for traditional Chinese. I want to pre-install Ubuntu on some boxes we are donating to a HK based charity
[09:35] <EricNeon> jdub,you can join #ubuntu-zh ,we will tell you about ours difficulty
[09:35] <ryman> is Ubuntu going to be unfree ?
[09:35] <tritium> kev0r, did you try getting the latest nvidia-glx then?
[09:35] <Kamion> ryman: no
[09:35] <sparkling> hi all
[09:35] <ryman> and we need to pay for it ?
[09:35] <jdub> ryman: no - see the front page of the website :)
[09:35] <kakalto> ryman, never
[09:35] <ryman> Kamion: I hope so
[09:35] <agabus> ubuntu is based in south africa is it not? if so, is it friday there yet?
[09:36] <Kamion> ryman: as jdub says, see the front page, there's a commitment
[09:36] <ryman> agabus: the offical Hoary is out
[09:36] <sparkling> i'm trying to install vmware demo but after installation it ask me where is the C header (and he suggest me /usr/src/linux/include) but i don't have that path
[09:36] <Kamion> ryman: no it's not
[09:36] <jdub> agabus: ubuntu developers are spread all around the world
[09:36] <EricNeon> yusufg,are you come from hk? or tw?
[09:36] <sparkling> what i have to do?
[09:36] <agabus> ryman - it says nothing about an official release on the ubuntu homepage?
[09:36] <bob2> sparkling: install build-essential
[09:36] <Kamion> the images are up for mirrors to get updated before the announcement
 is the official Hoary out yet ?
[09:36] <sparkling> already done bob2
[09:36] <sataere> bob2, Would I be able to ask you if the packages themselves were different?  Like, under ubuntu the mplayer package sucks ass, is it the same under Debian?  I got the impression that a lot of Ubuntu's packages are broken because they don't like the threat of distributing commercial/licensed/whatever unfree software.
[09:36] <yusufg> EricNeon: from HK
 yes ryman
[09:36] <bob2> ryman: Tarion is wrong, sorry
[09:36] <Kamion> ryman: yes, and I corrected him shortly after that
[09:36] <Sp4rKy_old> tritium, i 'd asked you, i seek a soft which scan installed soft and add them to the gnome menu
[09:37] <zerokarmaleft> is gnu parted reliable for resizing reiserfs partitions?
[09:37] <ryman> =(
[09:37] <tritium> Sp4rKy_old, if you had asked me, I'd have gotten a nick highlight
[09:37] <yusufg> I don't speak/read Chinese myself though. I can stumble through some cantonese
[09:37] <bob2> sataere: er, in what way does it "suck ass"?
[09:37] <kakalto> methinks ryman's confused
[09:37] <ryman> I guess I have to wait
[09:37] <ryman> kakalto: yes
[09:37] <EricNeon> ubuntu is support  traditional Chinese no probrem
[09:37] <lamont> ryman: given that Kamion is heavily involved in the process of actually releasing, I think he's about as authoritative as you can get...
[09:37] <agabus> i'm so confused ryman? is hoary official out?
[09:37] <jdub> agabus: not yet, no
[09:37] <lamont> agabus: what Kamion said
[09:37] <george_> I think this might actually do it, restarting to test it out, thanks for all the help =)
[09:37] <bob2> agabus: no, it's not
[09:37] <ryman> agabus: sorry no
[09:37] <ac-id> its not?
[09:37] <jdub> agabus: mere moments away
[09:37] <ryman> I got confused
[09:37] <ac-id> so im busy downloading the RC then?
[09:37] <ac-id> :(
[09:37] <sataere> bob2, Heh, sorry.  I mean that it was not compiled to read most of the codecs that are used on the internet.
[09:37] <ac-id> they should say so man
[09:37] <Kamion> sataere: in that regard, Debian and Ubuntu tend to share quite similar attitudes, although we're a bit more flexible than Debian in some ways
[09:38] <Kamion> ac-id: no
[09:38] <huhe> i think the servers are going to be bogged down for the update
[09:38] <kakalto> wow
[09:38] <bob2> sataere: mplayer isn't in Debian at all
[09:38] <agabus> jdub - mere moments away? literally?
[09:38] <kakalto> new look for ubuntulinux.org
[09:38] <kakalto> only just noticed
[09:38] <sataere> Kamion, Really?  How so?
[09:38] <jdub> agabus: yes
[09:38] <bob2> sataere: the common unofficial package people use is not crippled in any way I know of
[09:38] <Kamion> ac-id: if you download something before it's announced, expect to be confused. :)
[09:38] <Sp4rKy_old> tritium, sorry, i don't answered specially for you ...
[09:38] <Sp4rKy_old> so ...
[09:38] <Kamion> sataere: Ubuntu is officially not bothered about the GFDL, for instance
[09:38] <sataere> bob2, Are only GNU applications part of Debian's apt repositories?
[09:39] <agabus> jdub - sweet, but won't it take a few hours to get it across ftp servers for release?
[09:39] <sataere> Kamion, GFDL?
[09:39] <tritium> Sp4rKy_old, no, I'm not aware of any software that can do that
[09:39] <bob2> sataere: er, of course not
[09:39] <Kamion> sataere: too long to explain
[09:39] <jdub> agabus: we have spruced up deloreans for sorting that kind of stuff out
[09:39] <slatkin> i adblocked http://www.ubuntulinux.org/include/circle.jpg
[09:39] <ryman> anyone has audigy2 sound card and have sound problem ?
[09:39] <sataere> Kamion, Gnu Free Distributed License?  O.o
[09:39] <bob2> sataere: s/Distributed/Documentation/
[09:39] <Kamion> sataere: try google ;)
[09:39] <Sp4rKy_old> tritium, thankx nevertheless
[09:39] <tritium> np
[09:40] <sataere> Kamion, Doing so now. :)
[09:40] <agabus> jdub - deloreans meaning what? i hope you guys are releasing hoary on a torrent man cuz the servers are gonna get hammered
[09:40] <bob2> sataere: google for "gfdl debian position statement" if you want the details
[09:40] <jdub> agabus: of course
[09:40] <sataere> jdub, DeLoreans?  The car?
[09:40] <jdub> agabus: we've always had torrents
[09:40] <tritium> agabus, like the car in Back to the Future
[09:40] <jdub> sataere: yes
[09:41] <agabus> k good
[09:41] <huhe> when i did apt-get upgrade did i get the latest ati drivers -- the accerlated ones ?
[09:41] <bob2> sataere: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml
[09:41] <huhe> under hoary
[09:41] <bob2> huhe: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:41] <ac-id> k hoary was supposed to be released yesterday already
[09:41] <sparkling> if build-essential doesn't work where i can find the c header?
[09:41] <bob2> ac-id: no
[09:41] <Kamion> ac-id: no, it wasn't
[09:41] <tritium> ac-id, no, the 8th
[09:41] <jdub> i mean, you guys do realise that ubuntu is technology imported from the future, right?
[09:41] <zerokarmaleft> i'm going to seed the hoary iso for weeks :)
[09:41] <agabus> jdub - in the 'mere moments' you are about to release it, are you going to make download links avaiable on the official site or that come later?
[09:42] <Kamion> agabus: of course, that's part of the release process
[09:42] <ac-id> thats what i was told by a guy from TSF
[09:42] <bob2> sparkling: surely it has instructions?
[09:42] <jdub> agabus: dude, it's a major official release. of course. :)
[09:42] <ac-id> im working on SAST
[09:42] <bob2> ac-id: whatever "TSF" is, that person was wrong, sorry
[09:42] <Kamion> ac-id: I'm afraid he was mistaken, the 8th has been the plan for some weeks now
[09:42] <ac-id> GMT+2
[09:42] <Kamion> bob2: The Shuttleworth Foundation
[09:42] <ac-id> what do they work off?
[09:42] <agabus> sweet can't wait. whats the hold up?
[09:42] <bob2> haha, right
[09:42] <sparkling> it suggest me /usr/src/linux/include
[09:42] <sparkling> this is the only instruction
[09:42] <Kamion> agabus: hold up? we haven't reached the planned release time yet :P
[09:42] <GNAM> UBUNTU FINAL OUT!
[09:42] <GNAM> UBUNTU FINAL OUT!
[09:42] <GNAM> topic!
[09:42] <Kamion> GNAM: no it's not
[09:42] <GNAM> yes
[09:43] <bob2> sparkling: then you need to 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
[09:43] <GNAM> there is
[09:43] <ac-id> Kamion, u on the developing team?
[09:43] <ac-id> part of canonical?
[09:43] <GNAM> I'M THE FIRST!
[09:43] <Kamion> ac-id: yes, I'm the guy who publishes the CD images
[09:43] <bob2> GNAM: it's not out, sorry
[09:43] <GNAM> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[09:43] <Kamion> GNAM: yes, I created that page
[09:43] <GNAM> it is!
[09:43] <GNAM> also the links
[09:43] <GNAM> WORKS!
[09:43] <ac-id> well stop fucking chatting and go release the god damn thing
[09:43] <ac-id> we cant wait any longer
[09:43] <ac-id> lol
[09:43] <ryman> haha
[09:43] <Kamping_kaiser> ;)
[09:43] <Artemis3> hahah GNAM
[09:43] <jdub> ac-id: um, keep it nice please
[09:43] <Artemis3> you are like the last
[09:43] <Artemis3> :P
[09:43] <sparkling> ok i've done it bob2, now i'm downloading
[09:43] <agabus> Kamion - so how long in hours/minutes to the release? who cares if u release early dammit!
[09:43] <sataere> Kamion, Interesting.  I thought Debian was a part of GNU.
[09:44] <ac-id> sorry i meant 'darn'
[09:44] <kakalto> GNAM, you aren't the first
[09:44] <Kamion> sataere: not for many years
[09:44] <GNAM> !topic <GNAM> ubuntu final is OUT!
[09:44] <sataere> Kamion, Wow, I'm out of touch.  :)
[09:44] <Kamion> GNAM: it's not out until the announcement goes out.
[09:44] <bob2> sataere: gnu is rather upset at debian over the gfdl, afaict
[09:44] <Artemis3> yah get the torrent and help others
[09:44] <EvilIdler> sataere: No, they just like GPL software. GPL is not the same as being part of the GNU foundation.
[09:44] <jdub> GNAM: enough please. it has not been announced as final yet. please be patient.
[09:44] <ben> it's out now?
[09:44] <bob2> GNAM: please stop it, it will be out when it's out
[09:44] <bob2> ben: no
[09:44] <GNAM> bah
[09:44] <GNAM> i see "ubuntu hoary" and a link that works, so this is final
[09:45] <Artemis3> heh
[09:45] <agabus> lol everyones so excited
[09:45] <Artemis3> you can always get an older version
[09:45] <GNAM> no
[09:45] <kakalto> So it's not out, but it's available?
[09:45] <ac-id> yes
[09:45] <kakalto> :P
[09:45] <GNAM> filename is different
[09:45] <ac-id> this suspense crap is killing me
[09:45] <Artemis3> ...
[09:45] <ac-id> out with it i say!
[09:45] <kakalto> norris, it's out, but it's not stable :P
[09:45] <kakalto> woops
[09:45] <kakalto> it's out, but not stable!
[09:45] <GNAM> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[09:45] <Kamion> kakalto: correct, giving mirrors a chance to keep up
[09:45] <sparkling> bob2: i haven't that directory yet, it asks me for a path where is at least asm, linux or net dirs
[09:45] <GNAM> this is correct version.
[09:45] <Kamion> before people like GNAM clobber it ;)
[09:45] <kakalto> Not stable!
[09:45] <ryman> how do you  unmuted "Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack" in alsamixer ?
[09:46] <sataere> EvilIdler, Yes, but when I first heard of Debian I believe they were a part of GNU, kind of a stand in for the Free Unix they never made.  :)
[09:46] <kakalto> If you get it, take the torrents!
[09:46] <zerokarmaleft> and seed forever!
[09:46] <zerokarmaleft> or until 5.10 :)
[09:46] <kakalto> yeah!
[09:46] <GNAM> yes
[09:46] <kakalto> yeah!
[09:46] <Artemis3> torrenting always help others
[09:46] <sataere> EvilIdler, My friend went to MIT and lived down the hall from the founder of FSF
[09:46] <GNAM> torrent is betterr
[09:46] <GNAM> :P
[09:46] <kakalto> yup
[09:46] <sataere> EvilIdler, :P
[09:46] <ben> does this have something to do with the fact that on the FTP site, it does not label the downloads as RC?
[09:46] <Artemis3> just 6 months
[09:46] <Artemis3> then you can torrent another one
[09:46] <EvilIdler> sataere: They're separatists, then
[09:47] <balor> Has BreazyBadger forked from Hoary yet?
[09:47] <bob2> sparkling: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) is the right dir
[09:47] <Artemis3> or btlaunchmany the 6 torrents
[09:47] <kakalto> I can write an iso to a Re-Writable CD, can't I?
[09:47] <Waffer> hi, when trying to play for example simpsons in fullscreen-mode in vlc, the video quality is really bad, looks almost as those old lucas arts adventure games, got any ides of what to do?
[09:47] <kakalto> then wipe it after
[09:47] <bob2> balor: dude, hoary has not been announced yet
[09:47] <tritium> kakalto, yes
[09:47] <bob2> kakalto: if your hardware can boot from it, yes
[09:47] <sataere> EvilIdler, So I see :)
[09:47] <kakalto> okie
[09:47] <Artemis3> so you help a lot :)
[09:47] <GNAM> I expect to see GCC4 in breazybadger
[09:47] <bob2> I expect to see a pony.
[09:47] <EvilIdler> sataere: And Ubuntu is the Judean People's Front
[09:47] <Kamion>    gcc-4.0 | 4.0ds6-0pre6ubuntu7 |         hoary | source
[09:47] <slatkin> ponies are fun
[09:47] <Artemis3> white pony?
[09:48] <sataere> EvilIdler, Hehehe, so I also see.  ;)
[09:48] <Kamion> though that's only for libraries and stuff as yet
[09:48] <GNAM> breazy compiled with gcc4 :P
[09:48] <Kamion> oh, and some Java bits
[09:48] <bob2> Kamion: hm, how come madison isn't showing the binaries?
[09:48] <agabus> could someone tell me how many minutes until official release. dam release times
[09:48] <EricNeon> smurfix, come in #ubuntu-zh?
[09:48] <Kamion> bob2: not built
[09:48] <AndyR> well today is the day :)
[09:48] <jdub> agabus: just be patient please. it will be out soon.
[09:48] <bob2> Kamion: oh
[09:48] <ben> i still haven't figured out the time zone thing...
[09:49] <bob2> recompiling ubuntu with gcc-4.0 for the sake of recompiling will make the mirrors cry
[09:49] <ben> getting annoying...
[09:49] <Kamion> ok, *now* it's final
[09:49] <blaaa> erm i just noticed the amount of poeple here..is hoary final out or about to be out?
[09:49] <zerokarmaleft> woot!
[09:49] <lloy0076> lucychili: Ok, so you said that we should use BIT TORRENT?
[09:49] <GNAM> why now and not when i told you?
[09:49] <lucychili> no i didnt
[09:49] <GNAM> auau
[09:49] <Artemis3> stampede?
[09:49] <lloy0076> DID TOO
[09:49] <Kamion> GNAM: because now the announcement has been sent
[09:49] <EvilIdler> blaaa: It's only about 30 more people than usual
[09:50] <sataere> Kamion, Thank you Kamion, I believe you have instantly made several people much happier.  :)
[09:50] <GNAM> ah
[09:50] <blaaa> really?
[09:50] <blaaa> i mustve been on mars
[09:50] <GNAM> mame is always out before the annoncument
[09:50] <slatkin> webpage updated wee
[09:50] <sparkling> thanks bob2
[09:50] <Zotnix> Wait until it gets slashdotted ;)
[09:50] <sparkling> now it works
[09:50] <EvilIdler> blaaa: Nice place, but no atmosphere to speak of
[09:50] <yfir> everyone dl by torrent please :)
[09:50] <GNAM> no torrent :
[09:50] <whiprush> Booyah!
[09:50] <yfir> oh
[09:50] <blaaa> hehe
[09:50] <bob2> hah
[09:50] <Artemis3> get the torrents please
[09:50] <GNAM> no torrent=no download.
[09:50] <ben> so... it _is_ out, now?
[09:51] <serbo> Kamion: can i install kubnuto from live_CD or in need the iso
[09:51] <blaaa> so is hoary final out?
[09:51] <Artemis3> the 6 torrents are available GNAM
[09:51] <Kamion> ben,blaaa: yep
[09:51] <bob2> blaaa: as the topic says
[09:51] <GNAM> ah si'
[09:51] <blaaa> heh k
[09:51] <tritium> blaaa, look at the topic
[09:51] <ben> thanks
[09:51] <GNAM> there are
[09:51] <GNAM> auaua
[09:51] <blaaa> sry didnt know if 5.04 is final
[09:51] <GNAM> ok
[09:51] <GNAM> GO TO DOWNLOAD!
[09:51] <EvilIdler> Can't torrent the apt-get upgrade :/
[09:51] <Artemis3> you can save the 6 torrents in a folder, then launch btlauchmany
[09:51] <Zotnix> I'm aldready on Hoary. Heh. No uprading for me.
[09:51] <Kamion> GNAM: yeah, mame probably also try to get stuff out to mirrors before announcing, it's a standard thing to do
[09:51] <lamont> EvilIdler: no, but you could torrent the install iso, and use that cd to upgrade
[09:51] <ac-id> so its official now?
[09:51] <ac-id> been released?
[09:52] <tritium> ac-id, yes
[09:52] <bob2> EvilIdler: there are mirrors, and archive.u.c has ungodly amounts of bandwidth
[09:52] <ben> so... this is the ISO and torrent at  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary ?
[09:52] <bob2> ac-id: as the topic says, yes
[09:52] <EvilIdler> lamont: That would still take longer, since I probably have most packages upgraded already
[09:52] <ac-id> yay
[09:52] <Artemis3> stampede!
[09:52] <Artemis3> hahaha
[09:52] <Kamion> for upgrading, please use CC.archive.ubuntu.com, where CC is your country
[09:52] <lamont> EvilIdler: yeah, but then you have the iso too. :-)
[09:52] <Artemis3> TORRENT
[09:52] <EvilIdler> bob2: Well, I use the ungodly bandwidth of my local uni ;)
[09:52] <Kamion> e.g. us.archive.ubuntu.com for the US
[09:52] <Kamion> or se. for Sweden
[09:52] <GNAM> time to see the final BUGS!
[09:53] <huhe> how do i select us.archive.ubuntu.com for my upgrade path from release to full ?
[09:53] <Kamion> bob2: gcc-4.0> also C++ ABI transition, which is major pain
[09:53] <EvilIdler> The only bug I see is that X refuses to work with kernel 2.6.11, but works perfectly fine, 3D and all, with 2.6.10
[09:53] <Artemis3> Kamion: where is the list of mirrors?
[09:53] <Kamion> huhe: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, or use Settings -> Repositories in synaptic
[09:53] <agabus> i swear i'm gonna be so pissed if i download an old torrent
[09:53] <bob2> Kamion: yeah, just thought it'd at least be available while obviously not the default
[09:53] <huhe> i am not sure which line to edit
[09:53] <JB318> Hi all.  Just saw the release announcement.  Out of curiosity, how come they didn't wait for Firefox 1.0.3 which will contain a security fix?
[09:54] <Kamion> Artemis3: just use <country code>.archive.ubuntu.com, all the country codes do something, even if it's only pointing back to archive.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <lamont> JB318: because the release ships on time
[09:54] <bob2> JB318: security fixes will be done for the version in hoary
[09:54] <JB318> bob2: But that doesn't apply to the live CD ISO, does it?
[09:54] <Artemis3> ve works?
[09:54] <lamont> JB318: and what bob2 said - see hoary-security as soon as the new bits are around
[09:54] <bob2> JB318: probably
[09:54] <ryman> can I install .rpm file on Ubuntu ?
[09:54] <bob2> JB318: maybe someone will rebuild the live cd
[09:54] <Kamion> ryman: use alien
[09:54] <bob2> ryman: use "alien" to convert it to a .deb
[09:54] <keffo> wont there be any updates soon? ;P i mean.. hoary's official now
[09:54] <lamont> bob2: we _could_ rebuild the livecd
[09:54] <JB318> Last time I looked at the live CD under warty it didn't look like it was getting security updates
[09:54] <bob2> ryman: what piece of software is it?
[09:54] <agabus> any of the the torrents named 'ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent' are the final releases right?
[09:54] <Kamion> agabus: right
[09:54] <ryman> limewire pro 4.8
[09:55] <bob2> does it matter if the live cd gets updates?
[09:55] <dwa_> aren't you guys on hoary already???
[09:55] <agabus> Kamion - thanks mate, leeching now
[09:55] <lamont> keffo: hoary won't change. hoary-updates and hoary-security might see things
[09:55] <Kamion> JB318: yeah, hasn't happened to date, partly because the warty live CD was so unutterably painful to build
[09:55] <bob2> ah
[09:55] <keffo> lamont, thats what I ment
[09:55] <Zotnix> I noticed changes have slowed down as the release of Hoary came closer.
[09:55] <Zotnix> I'll be ready in a bit to switch over to Breezy.
[09:55] <imPULSIV> I have a directory residing on my desktop wich cant be deleted by the user i am. I tried rm-d but it says its a directory
[09:55] <JB318> Kamion: Not as painful as holding up the release a few days tho, it seems ;)
[09:56] <dwa_> tip: a reinstall isn't nessecary if you already had hoary installed
[09:56] <Kamion> it might be a good idea to do occasional hoary live CD updates if possible for application security bugs, although I'm not sure how we'd distribute them
[09:56] <Kamion> JB318: there's *always* something to wait for
[09:56] <JB318> Kamion: Well true
[09:56] <sanitario> imPULSIV, rm -r ?
[09:56] <huhe> ryman what is the package name for limewire pro ?  i tried to install it and add it to the internet menu but there is no menu editor.
[09:56] <imPULSIV> cheers
[09:56] <imPULSIV> ill try
[09:57] <ryman> huhe: LimeWireLinux.rpm ?
[09:57] <huhe> thank you
[09:57] <EvilIdler> Mmm. My Kubuntu desktop is so much smarter than the WinXP desktop.
[09:57] <ryman> is it the name ? sorry I'm new to linux
[09:58] <_TeRmInEt_> hi
[09:58] <JB318> I've thought about giving out Ubuntu live CDs as a Linux evangelism tool, but I don't want their ramdisks to get 0wn3d ;(
[09:58] <imPULSIV> sanitario thx for imidiate help
[09:58] <ac-id> is there an OSS project management tool?
[09:58] <sanitario> imPULSIV, no problem
[09:58] <Burgundavia> ac-id: imendio planner
[09:58] <Burgundavia> ac-id: in as planner in the repos
[09:58] <ac-id> is it good?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> ac-id: yep
[09:58] <ac-id> it must be professional
[09:58] <tritium> ac-id, but it's not quite up to par with MS Project yet
[09:59] <Burgundavia> ac-id: very similar to ms project
[09:59] <_TeRmInEt_> why, apt-get install ethereal, don't work?
[09:59] <stvn> kijk dit begint ergens op te lijken: 850K/s
[09:59] <ac-id> awesome
[09:59] <ac-id> thanks guys
[09:59] <ryman> I wonder if I can play Counter Strike or Starcraft Broodwar on Ubuntu
[09:59] <keffo> hmm, anyone playing quake2?
[09:59] <zerokarmaleft> ac-id, if you're willing to pay on a subscription basis, basecamp is great too
[10:00] <ac-id> is imendio in apt sources?
[10:00] <zerokarmaleft> ac-id, though i guess you can't consider it OSS
[10:00] <tritium> ac-id, it's called planner
[10:00] <ac-id> ta
[10:00] <tritium> Good night...
[10:00] <LiberalTugboat> HOARY IS OUT!!!
[10:00] <_TeRmInEt_> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OrinocoMonitorKimset2005Hoary
[10:00] <kakalto> I must congradulate the people w/ the livecd, it actually simulates ubuntu this time :D
[10:01] <kakalto> LiberalTugboat,  we know!!!!!
[10:01] <_TeRmInEt_> i follow this
[10:01] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[10:01] <kakalto> getting the torrent?
[10:01] <EvilIdler> ryman: linuxgames.com probably has a Wine tutorial to help you set up Starcraft and such
[10:01] <ryman> EvilIdler: thanks
[10:01] <thenuke> I used PC-2 to install Ubuntu into PC-1:s harddisk, switched the HD back into that PC-1 but it wont boot.. X-o any ideas :)
[10:01] <onkarshinde> How many prople are currently on torrent?
[10:01] <LiberalTugboat> Im getting it from there servers
[10:01] <thenuke> "cannot open root device "hda1".."
[10:01] <kakalto> thenuke, different hardware!
[10:02] <EvilIdler> thenuke: Is the harddrive primary or secondary or worse?
[10:02] <zenrox> onkarshinde,  dont know but 4mbs of b/w is being useds
[10:02] <yusufg> the latest 2.6.11.7 kernel has a fix for the BIC congestion control algorithm which is enabled by default in 2.6
[10:02] <huhe> i have a wireless network with WEP encryption.  how easy would it be for someone to hack it ?
[10:02] <LiberalTugboat> 250k a sec :)
[10:02] <thenuke> EvilIdler: primary, as it was in this PC what I used to install it
[10:02] <yusufg> would ubuntu release an errata for its kernel containing this fix
[10:02] <EvilIdler> kakalto: It'll always boot on x86 hardware no matter where it was installed, unless something went very wrong
[10:02] <zerokarmaleft> LiberalTugboat, 500k/s
[10:02] <thenuke> I thought that different hardware would not cause problems with linux
[10:02] <kakalto> LiberalTugboat, you should seed a torrent :D
[10:02] <EvilIdler> thenuke: How far does it get? Nowhere at all?
[10:02] <kakalto> EvilIdler, what about graphics?
[10:02] <yusufg> or does its policy of only providing security fixes prevent it from doing so
[10:02] <LiberalTugboat> Im on my lappy, once I get it installed on the main system I will seed
[10:03] <EvilIdler> kakalto: I said 'boot', not 'launch X' ;)
[10:03] <bob2> yusufg: if it's a serious bug, it can be fixed in hoary
[10:03] <kakalto> EvilIdler, my bad.
[10:03] <thenuke> EvilIdler: umm, somewhat past grub
[10:03] <EvilIdler> kakalto: If the kernel and init loads, it has successfully booted. Anything beyond that is pure luxury :P
[10:03] <Bloody|RLC>  http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[10:03] <thenuke> it seems to start initrd or something
[10:03] <kakalto> EvilIdler, :P
[10:03] <thenuke> and then fails to mount the root partition
[10:03] <LiberalTugboat> zerokarmaleft, im downloading install and and live cd ;)
[10:03] <LiberalTugboat> 250 k each
[10:03] <kakalto> EVERYONE WHO'S GETTING HOARY, DOWNLOAD THE TORRENT
[10:04] <yusufg> bob2: take a look at this message from David Miller (kernel networking maintainer)
[10:04] <yusufg> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=111272634607357&w=2
[10:04] <EvilIdler> thenuke: Aha..booting from CD or floppy isn't an option on that computer, I gather?
[10:04] <ac-id> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:04] <ac-id>   planner: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7) but 2.8.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:04] <ac-id> E: Broken packages
[10:04] <ac-id> great
[10:04] <ac-id> :(
[10:04] <_TeRmInEt_> any idea?
[10:04] <thenuke> EvilIdler: cd-boot did not work :-(  floppy might be an option, what should I do with a booting floppy?
[10:04] <huhe> is doing a upgrade from ubuntu release candidate too slow ?
[10:05] <EvilIdler> thenuke: First get Tom's Rescue Boot Floppy, or something like that
[10:05] <EvilIdler> thenuke: From there, you can investigate the bootmenu and such after mounting the harddrive somewhere
[10:05] <onkarshinde> What is the easiest way to update from warty to hoary without loosing configuration?
[10:05] <thenuke> EvilIdler: I can modify bootmenu by changing that HD to another PC
[10:06] <bob2> onkarshinde: please read the upgrade guide on the wiki
[10:06] <thenuke> EvilIdler: so, any ideas what I should do to that menu :) I tried adding noacpi acpi=off parameters
[10:06] <EvilIdler> thenuke: Less hassle if you have that rescue floppy, though. Lots of useful tools on it
[10:06] <EvilIdler> thenuke: noapic, also
[10:06] <bob2> yusufg: email the ubuntu kernel team, I guess
[10:06] <_TeRmInEt_> where can I find ethereal package?
[10:06] <bob2> _TeRmInEt_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:06] <thenuke> EvilIdler: of, forgot that one.
[10:06] <bob2> _TeRmInEt_: in the universe repository
[10:07] <LiberalTugboat> anyone else not getting sound with flashplayer?
[10:07] <huhe> where would this line go ?  it got added to my sources.list by mistake
[10:07] <huhe> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modulesdeb
[10:07] <Burgundavia> LiberalTugboat: google ubuntu flash no sound
[10:07] <Burgundavia> LiberalTugboat: look for the wiki page
[10:07] <bob2> huhe: nowhere, but it might be something you run
[10:07] <Kamion> kakalto: live CD> yes, it's much better in that respect than warty
[10:07] <_TeRmInEt_> i just looking Synaptic, but isn't listen
[10:07] <onkarshinde> bob2: Can you give me exact link to upgrade guide?
[10:07] <bob2> huhe: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:07] <bob2> onkarshinde: no, look on the wiki
[10:07] <huhe> thanks
[10:07] <Burgundavia> LiberalTugboat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[10:08] <kakalto> Kamion, definately, the warty livecd wouldn't work with my mouse >_>
[10:08] <bob2> onkarshinde: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[10:08] <kakalto> if there's ubuntu, then kubuntu, why doesn't someone do xubuntu for xfce?
[10:08] <light_punch2> what are the primary languages people speak in Isle of Man?
[10:08] <Burgundavia> light_punch2: english
[10:08] <bob2> kakalto: they can if they want to
[10:09] <sataere> English and Gaelic?
[10:09] <kakalto> heheh.
[10:09] <sataere> O.o
[10:09] <ac-id> english
[10:09] <EvilIdler> kakalto: What would they do with the other 400 megs of space, then?
[10:09] <LiberalTugboat> thanks Burgundavia I was soing that, just making sure it was common
[10:09] <ac-id> and they have cats with no tails
[10:09] <kakalto> lol
[10:09] <light_punch2> hehe...
[10:09] <kakalto> EvilIdler, perhaps more packages?
[10:09] <Burgundavia> LiberalTugboat: happened to me
[10:09] <jdub> kakalto: it's on its way
[10:09] <Riddell> sataere: why would they speak Gaelic in the Isle of Man?
[10:09] <kakalto> jdub, really?
[10:09] <jdub> yes
[10:09] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Yeah..they could almost fit Eclipse 3 on that..
[10:09] <kakalto> lol
[10:09] <kakalto> jdub, sweet :D
[10:10] <kakalto> xfce is my favourite
[10:10] <sataere> Riddell, I don't know, it was just a guess.  :D  I thought I remembered that they spoke a language other than English.  Welsh, perhaps?
[10:10] <Kamion> Manx
[10:10] <ac-id> k my hoary cd dies when installing the kernel image
[10:10] <ac-id> 82%
[10:10] <ac-id> :(
[10:10] <Riddell> sataere: Manx it is
[10:10] <Kamion> the day-to-day language is English though
[10:10] <EvilIdler> sataere: It's a strange variant of gaelic, yes
[10:10] <kakalto> ac-id, I had the same problem with fedora core 3 :D
[10:10] <ac-id> dont even go there
[10:10] <jobezone> Ubuntu 5.04 (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) IS OUT! Download here.
[10:10] <ac-id> i also had that same problem
[10:10] <_TeRmInEt_> i can't find ethereal!
[10:10] <kakalto> jobezone, get the torrent
[10:10] <EvilIdler> Manx is pretty close to dead, while Irish-Gaelic at least has 140000 native speakers
[10:11] <ac-id> and that was only when it decided to boot
[10:11] <sataere> Ah, see?  I wasn't too far off.  :)
[10:11] <imPULSIV> its so busy in here... did i miss the release annouce?
[10:11] <kakalto> hehe
[10:11] <jobezone> kakalto, no need, I'll upgrade
[10:11] <kakalto> I had issues with that
[10:11] <Riddell> more important...
[10:11] <thoreauputic> imPULSIV: yes you did :)
[10:11] <Riddell> Kubuntu 5.04 is out!  http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php
[10:11] <sataere> Not trying to offend anyone, just showing off my ignorance hoping to be corrected.  :)
[10:11] <imPULSIV> ooooh shait
[10:11] <kakalto> Riddell, good on ya :D
[10:11] <EvilIdler> sataere: Remember: There are no stupid questions, only stupid people ;)
[10:11] <kakalto> imPULSIV, yeah...
[10:11] <light_punch2> isle of man is near spain?
[10:12] <jsgotangco> no its in UK
[10:12] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:12] <Kamping_kaiser> kubuntu was released the second ubuntu was
[10:12] <thoreauputic> light_punch2: err.. no
[10:12] <light_punch2> besides just an island north of england
[10:12] <kakalto> I can't wait for xubuntu
[10:12] <sataere> EvilIdler, Hmm...I I don't know whether that's a reassurance or an insult.
[10:12] <imPULSIV> so im off to download
[10:12] <_TeRmInEt_> pls help me
[10:12] <EvilIdler> A small island they close down once a year to have a race :P
[10:12] <balor> EvilIdler: I use Ubuntu in Irish
[10:12] <imPULSIV> bye everybody
[10:12] <agabus> how long do ya think before hoary hits slashdot?
[10:12] <EvilIdler> sataere: You're supposed to laugh
[10:12] <sataere> EvilIdler, At least I know where it is, roughly.
[10:12] <kakalto> imPULSIV, bye :D
[10:12] <MrNonchalant> wo wait, is Hoary is being released today?
[10:12] <EvilIdler> balor: Gnome or KDE?
[10:13] <ac-id> it has been released
[10:13] <Kamion> MrNonchalant: past tense, not present tense. :-)
[10:13] <balor> EvilIdler: I'm sane...I use Gnome
[10:13] <EvilIdler> MrNonchalant: Yeah, didn't you notice the lag?
[10:13] <ac-id> i just just finished installing kubuntu
[10:13] <ac-id> hoary release
[10:13] <EvilIdler> balor: Good Gaelic support, too?
[10:13] <LiberalTugboat> Burgundavia, thanks, sound works great now!
[10:13] <kakalto> MrNonchalant, get the torrent :D
[10:13] <MrNonchalant> Coolness
[10:13] <MrNonchalant> :D
[10:13] <Riddell> ac-id: really?  that was fast
[10:13] <Zotnix> Ah
[10:13] <balor> EvilIdler: It's ok, some messages are untranslated...well a fair few are untranslated
[10:13] <Zotnix> Finally fixed rhythmbox.
[10:13] <ryman> gnite guys
[10:13] <ac-id> i type fast
[10:13] <ac-id> and work faster
[10:13] <kakalto> g'night
[10:13] <thoreauputic> _TeRmInEt_: ehtereal is in the universe repo
[10:14] <Riddell> ac-id: where did you download from?
[10:14] <ac-id> which is why Mark Shuttleworth is going to give me a million rand and akief job
[10:14] <EvilIdler> balor: I checked KDE's status on translations last year the latest, and Norwegian had worse support than Irish :P
[10:14] <ac-id> off the site
[10:14] <sataere> EvilIdler, Oh in that case, lol.  :)  A lot of my family has been there, I really should have known even if I haven't gone myself.
[10:14] <ac-id> i cant bittorent
[10:14] <Riddell> ac-id: but we only released a few minutes ago :)
[10:15] <ryman> Riddell: the file is up on the server for like few hours now
[10:15] <ac-id> i clicked as SOON as u mentioned
[10:15] <ac-id> have u not been hearing me moaning about me waiting for it
[10:15] <ac-id> my finger was literally hanging over the button
[10:15] <ac-id> i work for .gov
[10:16] <ac-id> so i have plench b/w
[10:16] <wezzer-> is hoary released?
[10:16] <kakalto> wezzer-, ya missed it ;)
[10:16] <wezzer-> oh no... :)
[10:16] <Riddell> ac-id: well that makes you our first ever installer.  congratulations!
[10:16] <ac-id> yah get with it man
[10:16] <ac-id> hoary was released ages ago
[10:16] <LiberalTugboat> NICE!! gnomebaker is now it the repos!!
[10:16] <ac-id> really?
[10:16] <ac-id> WOOHOO
[10:16] <ac-id> well im on "Testing network repository
[10:16] <kakalto> gnome-baker? what's that?
[10:16] <Zotnix> I've been using graveman
[10:17] <kakalto> my oven isn't linux-compatablie
[10:17] <ac-id> its not completely installed yet
[10:17] <Zotnix> kakalto, CD-burning program.
[10:17] <kakalto> ahh
[10:17] <Zotnix> Also DVD burning.
[10:17] <Arnia> Manx in the UK? They wouldn't like people to say that ;)
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> gnomebaker is the gnome answr for k3b
[10:17] <kakalto> as good as K3b?
[10:17] <kakalto> or not as good?
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> its close
[10:17] <Zotnix> No clue.
[10:17] <Zotnix> I don't use K3B
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> give them six months
[10:17] <ac-id> k3b own
[10:17] <ac-id> s
[10:17] <EvilIdler> K3B is one of the better open source programs, interface-wise
[10:17] <agris> my hoary freezes very often :(
[10:17] <Zotnix> I prefer Graveman over K3B.. at least when I tried using K3B once.
[10:18] <huhe> can someone tell me why i can't upgrade due to sources.list ?  http://www.pastebin.com/268759
[10:18] <Tybor> hi people.... has array7  became hoary release?
[10:18] <LiberalTugboat> I couldnt get graveman to finish a cd
[10:18] <agris> does anyone else has this problem?
[10:18] <mdz> Tybor: no, there have been many changes since array 7
[10:18] <Kamping_kaiser> agris. i have nautilus problems
[10:18] <EvilIdler> Every program works to expectation here, so I tend to settle for the first that does what I need.
[10:18] <Tybor> mdz:
[10:18] <Tybor> mdz: 10x
[10:18] <LiberalTugboat> but I installed gnomebaker... never looked back since
[10:18] <Nabiki> Is there a way to mount NTFS read/write?
[10:18] <Kamping_kaiser> im waiting for my ISPs mirrors to update. hope that fixes it
[10:18] <Kamping_kaiser> nabiki yes
[10:18] <_TeRmInEt_> uhm, ethereal is only aviable in Hoary, via apt-get?
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> Nabiki, ntfs writing is a no no
[10:19] <Kamping_kaiser> dl the NTFS tools with apt/synaptic
[10:19] <sataere> Hmm...can anyone explain to me what Debian's policy on GFDL effectively means?
[10:19] <mdz> _TeRmInEt_: ethereal is available in both warty/universe and hoary/universe
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> read is ok
[10:19] <EvilIdler> Nabiki: You can overwrite, supposedly, but in my experience, it never works like it should
[10:19] <Nabiki> Why is no no? Is it still uber unstable?
[10:19] <Kamping_kaiser> to read set suid-0222
[10:19] <Burgundavia> sataere: that they are going to be removing all gfdl stuff
[10:19] <_TeRmInEt_> mdz: but via synaptic i don't find ethereal package
[10:19] <Burgundavia> sataere: at the very end of the day
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> yeah ntfs writing is still unstable
[10:20] <EvilIdler> Nabiki: Totally. The only safe writing option writes at 512 *bytes* per second
[10:20] <LiberalTugboat> you may loss data
[10:20] <MrNonchalant> Blah. I'd use BitTorrent, but it doesn't work out of the box from Synaptic :P
[10:20] <Burgundavia> sataere: they may take a while to get there
[10:20] <thenuke> EvilIdler: noacpi did not help either :I
[10:20] <mdz> _TeRmInEt_: it's in universe
[10:20] <Nabiki> So... read only is better.. and if I absolutely gotta share, put it on a CD/DVD? :P
[10:20] <zerokarmaleft> ntfs writing is fine with captive isn't it?
[10:20] <sataere> Burgundavia, But that's only from their official servers, right?  Will they just move them to "non-free"?
[10:20] <EvilIdler> thenuke: Ugh. Another one of *those* systems :/
[10:20] <Zotnix> In root I can write >40x.
[10:20] <thenuke> EvilIdler: god damnit. I so would not like to install damn small linux again on to that hd to be my server :)
[10:20] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: Captive works, but is exceedingly slow
[10:21] <LiberalTugboat> Nabiki, you can make a seperate fat32 partiton to share between
[10:21] <_TeRmInEt_> mdz: omg and what is universe, I'm newbie
[10:21] <zerokarmaleft> EvilIdler, but at least it's reliable yes?
[10:21] <Burgundavia> sataere: I really don't know.
[10:21] <Arnia> Nothing on slashdot yet
[10:21] <Burgundavia> sataere: it is still up in the air
[10:21] <LiberalTugboat> both linux and windows will be happy with that
[10:21] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: Yeah, I've never had the patience to wait for a failure :)
[10:21] <Burgundavia> sataere: I think once sarge gets out the door, then things might change
[10:21] <zerokarmaleft> lol
[10:21] <mvirkkil> where are the release-notes?
[10:21] <sataere> _TeRmInEt_, Universe is all the packages that Ubuntu doesn't support.
[10:21] <huhe> i'm not able to upgrade via sources.list
[10:21] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: One more reason to share over Samba if you have to move files over now and than
[10:21] <Nabiki> That is an idea.. IS there a program other than Partition magic that will resize a ntfs partition gracefully?
[10:22] <blacklabel> is there a netinstall version of ubuntu? or a server only version with no gui?
[10:22] <thenuke> EvilIdler: so no more ideas?
[10:22] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: That implies 2+ computers, of course
[10:22] <Nabiki> aka non-distructively.
[10:22] <yojimbo-san> mvirkkil: The complete release notes can be found here:
[10:22] <huhe> can someone tell me why i can't upgrade due to sources.list ?  http://www.pastebin.com/268759
[10:22] <yojimbo-san>   http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[10:22] <EvilIdler> thenuke: Trying to think of some - I'm sure you've tried all sorts of flags
[10:22] <zerokarmaleft> EvilIdler, indeed, i'm trying to get rid of an NTFS partition
[10:22] <LiberalTugboat> yeah qt-parted works fines
[10:22] <sataere> Burgundavia, Ah.  Is it not a popular decision, then?
[10:22] <kakalto> ANYONE WHO CAN, AND IS DOWNLOADING, GET THE TORRENT
[10:22] <thenuke> EvilIdler: I dont know much flags to try :)
[10:22] <mdz> _TeRmInEt_: in synaptic, look at settings->repositories
[10:22] <Burgundavia> sataere: there is a lot of stuff licensed under the gfdl
[10:22] <zerokarmaleft> EvilIdler, though i'm still a little leary about parted
[10:22] <Kamion> blacklabel: you can type 'server' at the boot: prompt to install without the GUI; there is no netinst yet
[10:22] <Burgundavia> sataere: including big people like wikipedia
[10:22] <Kamion> sataere: very controversial
[10:22] <Nabiki> qt-parted? I will give that a try... ^^ I am sure it will warn me before toasting things, right?  most properly written programs do. ^^ hehe
[10:23] <huhe> if i get the bittorrent do i have to do a fresh install ?
[10:23] <zerokarmaleft> EvilIdler, had some issues earlier today with resizing a reiserfs partition
[10:23] <EvilIdler> thenuke: Those are the flags I've seen help..could it be that the filesystem isn't supported by the kernel, only a module?
[10:23] <sataere> Burgundavia, Wow.
[10:23] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: I've always had some sort of trouble with resizing
[10:23] <sataere> Kamion, Have they been known to retract their policy when they make bad decisions?  Or will they stick with the advice of their "legal team" do you think?
[10:24] <Burgundavia> sataere: gfdl is a crappy licence
[10:24] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: Either it just plain destroys the partitions, fragments them immensely, or miscalculates space
[10:24] <sataere> Burgundavia, How so?
[10:24] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: That's with Partition Magic, too
[10:24] <thenuke> EvilIdler: I dont know, would it work on these another two PC's then if the filesystem was supported only by a module?
[10:24] <EvilIdler> thenuke: Doubt it, so if it boots elsewhere, there is another unseen problem
[10:24] <zerokarmaleft> EvilIdler, at least pqmagic is reasonably safe
[10:25] <Burgundavia> sataere: invariant sections, generally out of date
[10:25] <EvilIdler> thenuke: This is where a serial logging device or something would be useful :)
[10:25] <huhe> if i download via torrent will i have to start from scratch ?
[10:25] <sataere> Burgundavia, I'm generally in favor of that which allows me to use the work of others, while still protecting their rights.
[10:25] <zerokarmaleft> EvilIdler, i haven't ever encountered data loss with pqmagic
[10:25] <Burgundavia> sataere: the only reason wp uses it is they can't change
[10:25] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: Yeah, it stopped destroying the drives since v7 at least
[10:25] <Burgundavia> sataere: cc by attribu 2.0 does the same thing, but in a better way
[10:25] <LiberalTugboat> diskdrake resizes ntfs partitions really well too
[10:25] <EvilIdler> zerokarmaleft: Had it happen twice with v5 and v6
[10:25] <Burgundavia> sataere: and sharealike
[10:25] <sataere> Burgundavia, Ah.  Yes, I like cc.
[10:25] <LiberalTugboat> I have done that before
[10:26] <LiberalTugboat> used the first disk of mandrake to resize then quit after that
[10:26] <sataere> Burgundavia, cc strikes me as simple and effective.  The GNU licenses have always rambled on a little too long for me to read much of.
[10:26] <mvirkkil> Where's the official FAQ?
[10:26] <EvilIdler> I just try to set up my partitions "perfectly" in the first place, and not dual boot
[10:26] <Burgundavia> sataere: yes
[10:26] <Burgundavia> sataere: cc was designed by a lawyer
[10:27] <Kamion> sataere: mm, not that simple really; decisions can be retracted, but there *are* real problems with the licence so it's complicated
[10:27] <LiberalTugboat> yeah why duel boot? just build another pc to use
[10:27] <LiberalTugboat> and dont use windows
[10:27] <_TeRmInEt_> mdz: and?
[10:27] <EvilIdler> Separate computers for Windows, always
[10:27] <Nabiki> IS Synaptic an interface to apt?
[10:27] <sataere> Kamion, Ah, but it *seems* simple.
[10:27] <LiberalTugboat> yeah
[10:27] <EvilIdler> Nabiki: Yep
[10:28] <Nabiki> Cool.. So if I make updates through apt, synaptic will know?  (Only stating it incase I am wrong.)
[10:28] <LiberalTugboat> synaptic rules
[10:28] <yojimbo-san> Nabiki: yes (to dpkg actually but that's "the same thing")
[10:28] <wezzer-> is there instuctions how to update from warty to hoary?
[10:28] <sataere> Kamion, I looked at their short little quips which give me the same gist as do the GNU licenses, except in three lines.
[10:28] <mdz> _TeRmInEt_: enable the one which says "universe"
[10:28] <LiberalTugboat> its the same program, just an interface for apt/dpkg
[10:28] <kakalto> wezzer-, yeah... give me a moment & I'll find them
[10:28] <hypatia> can anyone give me a hint why on trying to upgrading warty to hoary, linux-k7 is failing to install due to (eventually) linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-k7 depending on the non-existent linux-image-2.6.10-4-k7?
[10:28] <wezzer-> kakalto: ok
[10:29] <Kamion> sataere: I mean it's not that simple as 'retract, or stick with the advice of their "legal team"'
[10:29] <hypatia> I have restricted in my archive list...
[10:29] <Kamion> hypatia: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-*4*-k7?
[10:29] <sataere> Kamion, Ah, I see.
[10:29] <Kamion> that's an out of date module ABI
[10:29] <Nabiki> :P I have what many would call a WAY off topic question... Does anyone know if WineX supports EQII ?? hehehe
[10:29] <MrNonchalant> you folks should really get together a default responce to "how do I upgrade from warty to hoary" ready
[10:29] <sataere> Kamion, In that there will be those in favor and those opposed to the decision?
[10:29] <MrNonchalant> I have a feeling this isn't the last time you'll be hearing it
[10:29] <EvilIdler> Nabiki: Reportedly so, to some extent
[10:29] <LiberalTugboat> Nabiki, go to www.transgamer.org
[10:29] <krylon> hello
[10:29] <Kamion> hypatia: linux-k7 depends (indirectly) on linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7
[10:30] <LiberalTugboat> that is the cedega database of games
[10:30] <Kamion> sataere: yes, it's controversial within the project; but off-topic here really
[10:30] <Kamion> MrNonchalant: that would be http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[10:30] <hypatia> Kamion: weird, perhaps something funky is going on with apt-proxy?
[10:30] <kakalto> wezzer-,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[10:30] <ac-id> Connecting to releases.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.153] :80... connected.
[10:30] <ac-id> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[10:30] <ac-id> Length: 615,307,264 [application/octet-stream] 
[10:30] <ac-id>  5% [[10:30] <_TeRmInEt_> mdz: i kiss u ;)
[10:30] <ac-id> was getting 2.3mb just now
[10:31] <Burgundavia> MrNonchalant: that is kind fo the doc team dropping the ball (that would be me too, as I am part fo said team)
[10:31] <ac-id> i must be the first one then
[10:31] <ac-id> :)
[10:31] <wezzer-> kakalto: thanks
[10:31] <MrNonchalant> Yes, yes. Which is where I got mine.
[10:31] <kakalto> s'alright
[10:31] <mdz> ac-id: if you have so much bandwidth, please use the torrent ;-)
[10:31] <MrNonchalant> But I've heard it 5 times since joining this channel.
[10:31] <ac-id> i cant
[10:31] <ac-id> i wish i could
[10:31] <MrNonchalant> Something copy and paste might serve well.
[10:31] <ac-id> .gov firewalls
[10:31] <pau> ac-id: I agree with mdz, use the torrent!!
[10:31] <mdz> ac-id: :-(
[10:31] <Kamion> MrNonchalant: IRC channels are never immune to FAQs, no matter how well-documented
[10:32] <ac-id> i cant
[10:32] <ac-id> i just told you
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Kamion: how true
[10:32] <grelli> morning all
[10:32] <hypatia> Kamion: yeah, using the archives helps. I guess I need to hack on apt-proxy at some point.
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Kamion: and then people get pointed to the bad ones
[10:32] <ac-id> im tunneled through a proxy just to irc
[10:32] <krylon> Does Ubuntu come with a firewall enabled by default? QTorrent complains about being unable to connect to any tracker.
[10:32] <mdz> krylon: no, it doesn't
[10:32] <ac-id> if i could torrent through a proxy then i would
[10:32] <krylon> mmh. strange.
[10:32] <EvilIdler> krylon: Change your ports from the defaylt 6881 to something above 50000
[10:32] <yojimbo-san> krylon: try checking your adsl router firewall
[10:32] <sataere> Kamion, my apologies.  I'll keep quiet about it.  :)
[10:32] <pau> ac-id: Ok, pal, that's a pity, I'm getting Ubuntu from torrent, ;)
[10:33] <LiberalTugboat> ac-id, I beleive you can torrent through proxies
[10:33] <ac-id> but what ill do is host it here and let the local LUGS pull it from me
[10:33] <krylon> But my firewall is set up correctly - it works fine under Gentoo.
[10:33] <pau> ac-id: I guess
[10:33] <ac-id> LiberalTugboat, please tell me how
[10:33] <ac-id> i have tried everything
[10:33] <ac-id> my proxy doesnt support CONNECT
[10:33] <LiberalTugboat> not sure, but my manager does it I beleive
[10:33] <Kamion> sataere: it would probably fit better in a Debian channel, that's all. :)
[10:33] <ac-id> only GET and HEAD
[10:33] <ac-id> im encapsulating packets all over the show just to get out
[10:34] <LiberalTugboat> that sucks
[10:34] <huhe> ac-id, may i pm you for 1 sec ?
[10:34] <ac-id> go ahead
[10:34] <kakalto> HiddenWolf, you still around?
[10:34] <ac-id> anyone wanting to pull directly from me please feel free
[10:34] <ac-id> i will post the link as soon as i can
[10:35] <ac-id> in 5 mins or so
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> so what does everyone think about the theme change?
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> do you like the darker browns?
[10:35] <ac-id> and u people can download directly from me if needs be
[10:35] <ac-id> i will also supply the MD5 sum
[10:35] <pau> LiberalTugboat: I haven't seen it yet!
[10:35] <Nostromo> how can i make sure im using the latest development packages? im trying to install marillat's mplayer but it depends on libfontconfig 2.3 and up and i just upgraded my system and i have 2.2
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> they uploaded it earlier today
[10:36] <defect> moin
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> I thought my lcd panel was screwed up
[10:36] <EvilIdler> Nostromo: Use the Marillat source repository
[10:36] <Nabiki> QT-parted doesn't want to touch it. ^^;;
[10:36] <sataere> Kamion, well, I just like talking about things with people who I know (or have been acquainted with for more than a few seconds)
[10:36] <Nabiki> HEhe. Oh well.
[10:36] <Nostromo> EvilIdler, that's not what i asked, but thanks. i'll consider it.
[10:37] <kakalto> QT-Parted was a bit strange
[10:37] <kakalto> didn't particularly like my hdd
[10:37] <LiberalTugboat> I also wish they would have stuck with the log on screen and loading screen from last week
[10:38] <light_punch2> are there pictures of ubuntu on OSDIR.com?
[10:38] <n3m3s1s> ?
[10:38] <Nabiki> bbl  I need to fix a few things I think.^_^
[10:38] <n3m3s1s> Sp4rKy, i'm here
[10:38] <LiberalTugboat> there are pictures on ubuntulinux.com
[10:38] <Sp4rKy> ok, so, anyone know how install warcraft 3 with wine ?
[10:38] <EvilIdler> Nostromo: They seem to require some strange bleeding-edge versions of libraries for the binaries, but the programs will work fine with lower version numbers, like the ones in Hoary
[10:39] <n3m3s1s> I have install Warcraft 3 but when i start to play , i take black screen :s
[10:39] <LiberalTugboat> sparky I dont know if it will work in wine, It does work with cedega
[10:39] <Sp4rKy> in fact, install had been ran correctly but the gale can't start
[10:39] <Sp4rKy> black screen ...
[10:39] <thenuke> EvilIdler: ext3-FS is compiled as a module
[10:39] <light_punch2> LiberalTugboat, the installation steps with screen shots?
[10:39] <LiberalTugboat> wine doesnt have all of the direct X apis
[10:40] <LiberalTugboat> no not of the install,
[10:40] <kakalto> jdub, you around?
[10:40] <Sp4rKy> LiberalTugboat, do you know how to install w3 with wine ?
[10:40] <LiberalTugboat> but osdir does have it from the pre release (hasnt changed much)
[10:40] <jdub> kakalto: yes
[10:40] <EvilIdler> thenuke: You can still use it as an ext2 system, so that's not a problem. You just lose journalling.
[10:40] <n3m3s1s> Sp4rKy, je l'ai deja install , me faut juste jouer now
[10:40] <LiberalTugboat> sparky you would just type wine foo.exe
[10:40] <LiberalTugboat> and hope it works
[10:40] <teleyinex> hi
[10:40] <closure> kubuntu official is out
[10:40] <kakalto> jdub, when xubuntu is done, would it have a xubuntu-desktop like kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop packages?
[10:41] <closure> i run ubuntu + KDE how do i update to kubuntu?
[10:41] <thenuke> EvilIdler: i'll try to install ubuntu by using ext2-filesystem, it's compiled directly to the kernel
[10:41] <teleyinex> i cant enable dma in my DVD-rom and DVD-RW
[10:41] <Nostromo> EvilIdler, im sure they will, but I try to avoid compilation whenever possible. Besides, I like bleeding-edge, which is really what my original question was. What's the equivalent of Debian Unsable in Ubuntu? I've installed hoary preview a while ago and have been updating it ever since. Is that the most "bleeding-edge" there is?
[10:41] <teleyinex> i get an error
[10:41] <ac-id> at least its not reiser
[10:41] <Riddell> closure: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:41] <jdub> kakalto: yes
[10:41] <Sp4rKy> n3m3s1s, try what LiberalTugbiat said, run wine foo.exe
[10:41] <kakalto> jdub, kewl
[10:41] <kakalto> thanks
[10:41] <closure> Riddell, yeah i'm beyond that point
[10:41] <EvilIdler> Nostromo: Seems so :/
[10:41] <n3m3s1s> LiberalTugboat, I type wine war3.exe but i have blackscreen
[10:41] <Sp4rKy> and please, n3m3s1s, try to speak english here
[10:41] <EvilIdler> Nostromo: I miss my bleeding edge libs.
[10:41] <thenuke> EvilIdler: how should i edit menu.list so that it would use ext2
[10:41] <closure> Riddell,  the base isn't any different though right?
[10:41] <n3m3s1s> ok Sp4rKy
[10:41] <LiberalTugboat> n3m3s1s, thats because wine isnt made for games
[10:41] <Nostromo> EvilIdler, alrighty, thanks!
[10:41] <n3m3s1s> :s
[10:42] <EvilIdler> thenuke: It's got nothing to do with that, and I doubt filesystems are the problem anyway
[10:42] <LiberalTugboat> you need to use cedega
[10:42] <Riddell> closure: that's correct
[10:42] <n3m3s1s> What i must use ?
[10:42] <EvilIdler> thenuke: Ext3 can be mounted as ext2
[10:42] <closure> Riddell, so i don't need to update anything if i've already configured ubuntu + kde myself right?
[10:42] <EvilIdler> thenuke: (Which is why I don't like ext3 ;)
[10:42] <sataere> Hey, is there something wrong with my Human theme, or are Human icons not used by default?
[10:42] <LiberalTugboat> cedega (used to be called wineX)
[10:42] <n3m3s1s> when i type cedega war3.exe i have error , you can see this error ?
[10:42] <light_punch2> anyone find kde crashes on ubuntu 5.0.4?
[10:42] <GNAM> kde crashes?
[10:42] <LiberalTugboat> you have cedega installed?
[10:43] <ac-id> hmm
[10:43] <n3m3s1s> yes
[10:43] <EvilIdler> light_punch2: I'm using Kubuntu without trouble.
[10:43] <Zotnix> load average: 2.41, 3.19, 2.87  (Ouch...)
[10:43] <ac-id> md5 checksum failed on the kubuntu i just downloaded
[10:43] <light_punch2> GNAM, yes, kde always crashes on me, i ve already tried a few distros
[10:43] <Riddell> ac-id: rsync it
[10:43] <LiberalTugboat> check out www.transgaming.org for support
[10:43] <closure> GNAM, everything crashes.it's just a matter of setting it up to your system
[10:43] <Daehlie> I am gonna give kubuntu a try for a while
[10:43] <GNAM> it's not so simple closure
[10:43] <Riddell> closure: nope, you already have kubuntu
[10:43] <Sp4rKy> LiberalClosure, cedega isn't on ubuntu server ?
[10:44] <LiberalTugboat> woohoo DLs are done!!
[10:44] <GNAM> my sistem is always perfect
[10:44] <sataere> And I personally like the darker browns, and the new splash screen, but I prefer the old login screen.
[10:44] <Riddell> Daehlie: good choice :)
[10:44] <LiberalTugboat> no, cedega isnt a free program
[10:44] <closure> Riddell, cool that's what i was guessing but wasn't entirely sure
[10:44] <MyNameIsChris> Howdy all, I have installed php and apache as per ubuntuguide.org but it still tries to send php files as downloads
[10:44] <closure> GNAM, i run KDE and it does not crash
[10:44] <n3m3s1s> LiberalTugboat, http://rafb.net/paste/results/S8l8D778.html
[10:44] <ac-id> would u guys like me to host kubuntu as well?
[10:44] <closure> GNAM,  i have crashed apps on it but mostly cause i run my system resources into the ground
[10:44] <ac-id> hoary of course
[10:44] <GNAM> closure, i run KDE and it does not crash
[10:45] <kakalto> may I point out that the main ubuntu page still says that it includes gnome 2.8 (not 2.10.1)?
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> Ignore me for one second, I have a theory
[10:45] <yusufg> is there a way one can see the individual packages n hoary via a web site ?
[10:45] <ac-id> im on a 100mb pipe connected to 2 STM1's
[10:45] <closure> GNAM, oh i thouhgt you were asking if it crashed
[10:45] <Sp4rKy> what do you think about ogle ?
[10:45] <teleyinex> could someone help me with hdparm?
 kde crashes?
[10:45] <closure> GNAM, i guess that was retorical?
[10:45] <kakalto> yusufg, yeah
[10:45] <GNAM> it was light_punch2
[10:45] <GNAM> auaua
[10:45] <GNAM> he
[10:45] <LiberalTugboat> n3m3s1s, check out the transgaming.org forums
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> Nope, can anyone help me
[10:45] <kakalto> yusufg, I'm not sure where, do a google search
[10:46] <sataere> Two old guys, two children and a business-looking woman don't have the same feel to them as a good looking young threesome.  But that's just me.
[10:46] <light_punch2> yes, kde and it's apps don't like me =(
[10:46] <GNAM> i'm downloading Ubuntu final and XP64 final
[10:46] <LiberalTugboat> i have never had problems installing warcraft 3
[10:46] <GNAM> .
[10:46] <n3m3s1s> LiberalTugboat,  :(
[10:46] <kakalto> sataere, I agree :)
[10:46] <light_punch2> but knoppix never fails
[10:46] <closure> light_punch2, what are you doing to them?
[10:46] <light_punch2> closure, _nothing_
[10:46] <kakalto> light_punch2, knoppix knever fails?
[10:46] <LiberalTugboat> looks like your install of cedega might be bad
[10:46] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: maybe wait for the general release hysteria to die down a bit ;)
[10:47] <light_punch2> kpdf crashes when i try to open a new pdf
[10:47] <closure> light_punch2, i don't use the K base apps very much i use Konq for filesystem browsing and Kate for txt but that's about it
[10:47] <huhe> if i download ubuntu final since i can''t seem to apt-get dist-upgrade do i have to start all over again ?
[10:47] <Sp4rKy> where can i get cedega ?
[10:47] <n3m3s1s> amule .
[10:47] <Sp4rKy> other
[10:47] <mvirkkil> Sp4rKy: Transgaming.com
[10:47] <n3m3s1s> LiberalTugboat, how uninstall cedega ? for reinstall again?
[10:47] <light_punch2> closure, yes, and konq too.  but not as bad now days.
[10:47] <GNAM> on distrowatch they announce kubuntu 5.04, no words about ubuntu 5.04
[10:47] <GNAM> .
[10:48] <kakalto> lol
[10:48] <Tomcat_> huhe: You can download the CD, then set it as repository for apt-get, and try if you can update from there.
[10:48] <LiberalTugboat> umm you can use apt to unistall if you used a .deb
[10:48] <sataere> kakalto, Ah, I'm not alone in this.
[10:48] <closure> light_punch2, konq crashes on me but only when i am abusing my system resources
[10:48] <kakalto> sataere, true
[10:49] <light_punch2> closure, i find fluxbox and gnome nicer
[10:49] <closure> light_punch2, i don't know what kind of system you have i am running this on a 450mhz p3 with 224 ram or something
[10:49] <kakalto> sataere, maybe because it matches with the logo?
[10:49] <kakalto> the new one doesn
[10:49] <kakalto> *doesn't
[10:49] <sataere> Yep, just as I suspected, Debian users are hostile like rabid squirrels in mating season
[10:49] <closure> light_punch2, it's all an oppinion i've found.
[10:49] <light_punch2> closure, yes, i have 500mhz, 192ram
[10:50] <LiberalTugboat> well time for bed
[10:50] <LiberalTugboat> night all
[10:50] <EvilIdler> There should be torrent links somewhere on ubuntulinux.org, shouldn't there? I don't see any in the Download section
[10:50] <closure> light_punch2, gnome ran sluggish to me. i think it was just too bulky
[10:50] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic, Alright, I must wait until Ubuntu Downunder to grab it. Lousy bandwidth
[10:50] <sataere> kakalto, Maybe it's also because the girls were fairly good looking, and the top-down view gave a...unique perspective on them.  ;)
[10:50] <kakalto> sataere, and wishing we were the only guy ;)
[10:50] <kakalto> we as in me
[10:50] <kakalto> not you
[10:50] <kakalto> I don't want you
[10:50] <kakalto> :P
[10:50] <light_punch2> closure, yes, gnome on slackware sucks. it hangs on me. but works better in redhat
[10:51] <sataere> kakalto, hehehe
[10:51] <kakalto> :)
[10:51] <closure> light_punch2, i'm speaking in terms of ubuntu. i've never run x in slackware and haven't used redhat since like 2.1 or some shit
[10:51] <light_punch2> so, since kde is ubuntu's default, it should work like a charm.
[10:51] <Zotnix> I got yelled at for using Linux by some FreeBSD zealot for a good half hour :)
[10:51] <kakalto> light_punch2, kde is KUBUNTU's default
[10:52] <jobezone> EvilIdler, open one of the ln
[10:52] <kakalto> not ubuntu :)
[10:52] <light_punch2> oh, right, ubuntu's default is gnome
[10:52] <EvilIdler> jobezone: One of the what?
[10:53] <kakalto> wow, byebye mandrake
[10:53] <sataere> Zotnix, What's up with FreeBSD?  I don't understand at all.  Sure, I think it's a little more stable, but not nearly as sophisticated as linux (in my eyes), and if you want stability, OpenBSD is the best choice.
[10:53] <light_punch2> Zotnix, did you do anything else beside using linux?
[10:53] <jobezone> EvilIdler, try following on of the links in the download page
[10:53] <jobezone> EvilIdler, try following one of the links in the download page
[10:53] <kakalto> hello mandriva
[10:53] <Zotnix> light_punch2, no. He is a friend of mine. We always bicker on OSes
[10:53] <jobezone> you'll see there are torrents there
[10:53] <EvilIdler> jobezone: Found it. Had to dig real deep :/
[10:53] <Zotnix> light_punch2, basically he said Linux has 'Windows mentality' ("look at GNOME with it's start menu-like crap")
[10:54] <EvilIdler> jobezone: Expected the torrent links to be listed on the first Download page, along with other download methods, but there's no mention at all.
[10:54] <grelli> I setup a software raid0 during the install of hoary, but it doesn't create /dev/md0 on boot, and thusly doesn't mount
[10:54] <grelli> is there a way around this?
[10:54] <Zotnix> Says Linux has lost it's "Unix Philosophy" and then said he loved Mac OS X :-p
[10:54] <jobezone> yes, can't understand why
[10:54] <light_punch2> Zotnix, toss your friend a few live cds. =)
[10:54] <EvilIdler> Zotnix: Ahahaha
[10:54] <kakalto> Zotnix; lol
[10:54] <Zotnix> light_punch2, he won't touch Linux :p
[10:54] <kakalto> well, he's a bit silly, isn't he
[10:55] <light_punch2> and he use mac?
[10:55] <EvilIdler> True zealot. Give him a diploma, preferrably made with The GIMP.
[10:55] <Zotnix> He wants to.
[10:55] <ac-id> http://acid.alink.co.za/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[10:55] <ac-id> feel free to test the speed
[10:55] <ac-id> should be fast
[10:55] <kakalto> ac-id, not for long ;)
[10:55] <ac-id> try and make it slow
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic, I fixed it on my own. I am so proud. But why is Apache2 so much harder than 1? Never mind. w00t
[10:56] <ac-id> wont happen :)
[10:56] <EvilIdler> Watch people Ubuntu your bandwidth properly
[10:56] <light_punch2> Zotnix, give your friend FreeSBIE, tell em it's not linux. it's live bsd.
[10:56] <huhe> you can download that directly at the bottom of the torrent page doing direct download i'm getting 596KB/s
[10:56] <Zotnix> light_punch2, He uses FreeBSD
[10:56] <closure> does anyone know why the current version of gaim is not supported by ubuntu?
[10:56] <ac-id> u can get anything up to 12mb on that line
[10:56] <Zotnix> He loves FreeBSD. He just hates GNOME, KDE, and anything above TWM.
[10:56] <ac-id> which is why im hosting
[10:56] <Zotnix> and Linux.
[10:56] <sophie_msumu> closture be patient
[10:56] <ac-id> its on Clara's backbone
[10:56] <kakalto> closure, it's too new for a debian distro :P
[10:57] <EvilIdler> Zotnix: He's holding back progress :P
[10:57] <jensens> problem: i've a orinoco silver PCMCIA-Wireless adapter. worked like a charm with warty and stopped working with hoary. any pointers?
[10:57] <ac-id> so all those in the UK will get the best speed
[10:57] <ac-id> http://acid.alink.co.za/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[10:57] <ac-id> feel free to suck as much as u want
[10:57] <Zotnix> I don't mind FreeBSD at all. I gave it a crack but they are using GNOME 2.6 when I tried it (When GNOME 2.10 was just coming out)
[10:57] <kakalto> ac-id, does that mean I get the worst speed, since I'm the opposite side of the world?
[10:57] <ac-id> kakalto, try it
[10:57] <Riddell> ac-id: you could run bittorrent on that too and help the torrenters
[10:57] <kakalto> ac-id, already bittorrenting
[10:57] <closure> kakalto, how is it too new the one that comes with it is like 1.4 and this other is like 2.0 or something
[10:57] <ac-id> i cant
[10:58] <kakalto> closure, just trying to crack a bad joke about debian
[10:58] <kakalto> closure, don't worry
[10:58] <closure> err 1.1.4 and 1.2 somehitng
[10:58] <closure> kakalto, oh no i got it i was going with you
[10:58] <kakalto> sure sure.
[10:58] <ac-id> does that MS project clone work both on windows and linux?
[10:59] <ac-id> planner
[10:59] <ac-id> or whats its other name?
[10:59] <sataere> Zotnix, can I ask how FreeBSD differs from linux?
[10:59] <Zotnix> Kernel, license
[10:59] <Zotnix> And philosophy
[10:59] <Zotnix> Not much else :-p
[10:59] <light_punch2> anyone got certs?
[10:59] <kakalto> I heard that Gentoo kinda like freebsd
[10:59] <EvilIdler> They still end up using the same desktop as Linux..
[10:59] <light_punch2> certifications
[10:59] <sataere> Zotnix, kernel and license I understand.  What's to the philosophy?
[11:00] <ac-id> imendio
[11:00] <ac-id> nm
[11:00] <Zotnix> sataere, ties in with the license.
[11:00] <kakalto> Zotnix, what's the licence like?
[11:00] <Zotnix> it's open source but doesn't require the source code of derived work to be open sourced.
[11:00] <Zotnix> Hence, Mac OS X
[11:00] <EvilIdler> kakalto: Very briefly: Free for you to use any source, but please credit the creators
[11:01] <kakalto> How do you credit the authors if you use it for desktop?
[11:01] <closure> i want os x
[11:01] <xamdm> closure, why ??
[11:01] <sataere> Zotnix, I see.  Good for spreading unix, but bad for spreading open source.
[11:01] <kakalto> I sorta get it
[11:01] <rmxs> how can i get Grub to boot from cdrom? (i need to do some maping in order to dual boot linux and windows); i tryed "chainloader (hd2)+1" because my cdrom is /dev/hdc and Grub says no such disk , ideas?
[11:02] <EvilIdler> BSD license isn't bad.
[11:02] <Zotnix> Linux users think that part of the FreeBSD license is bad. FreeBSD users say that Linux license (GPL) is viral and draconic.
[11:02] <Zotnix> I personally prefer GPL.
[11:02] <sataere> kakalto, You can credit the authors by saying "yeah, most of this was written by so and so, but we're selling it anyway"
[11:02] <yfir> I like BSD license. Basically 'do whatever you want with this code, just credit the original coders'
[11:02] <Zotnix> You can sell programs released under the GPL.
[11:02] <kakalto> okay.
[11:03] <kakalto> Zotnix, not without adding closed-source stuff, I believe?
[11:03] <EvilIdler> I use a lot of licenses. Not that it matters, since I barely get anything finished and released :P
[11:03] <yfir> though prefer GPL for certain things
[11:03] <Kaiser_essen> rmxs the cd bootable?
[11:03] <rmxs> btw , can Grub boot from cdrom?
[11:03] <closure> xamdm, have you ever seen a mac crash?
[11:03] <xamdm> kakalto, just look at CherryOS ;-)
[11:03] <xamdm> closure, often enough
[11:03] <kakalto> xamdm, lol
[11:03] <light_punch2> rmxs, maybe your ide cdrom is being detected as scsi cdrom.  i have one just like it.
[11:03] <fern> hi ppl
[11:03] <closure> xamdm, you a damn lie
[11:03] <Zotnix> kakalto, correct. If you use GPL code in your program you'd have to open source all the code. The BSD license doesn't require that.
[11:03] <xamdm> closure, nope
[11:03] <Sp4rKy> where can i dl point2play ?
[11:04] <sataere> closure, I've seen programs die for no adequately explained reason, does that count?
[11:04] <xamdm> closure, usinf 3 @ work
[11:04] <fern> is there official service like http://packages.debian.org/ ?
[11:04] <xamdm> closure, and they can also crash
[11:04] <kakalto> how exactly does Red Hat sell linux?
[11:04] <Burgundavia> fern: nope
[11:04] <xamdm> closure, not as often as windows :-)
[11:04] <kakalto> support?
[11:04] <jobezone> kakalto, you can sell GPL, as long as it stays GPL for others you're selling to.
[11:04] <Burgundavia> kakalto: they sell service contracts
[11:04] <jobezone> packages.ubuntu.com
[11:04] <xamdm> closure, i also watched aix crashing ..., no os is perfect
[11:04] <Burgundavia> kakalto: per server licenses
[11:04] <Zotnix> My mac crashed a lot. My friend's mac locked up quite a few times too.
[11:04] <jobezone> i don't think it's oficial, but it works
[11:04] <grelli> does anyone know how to get /dev/md0 created on boot under hoary?
[11:04] <closure> xamdm, i don't support that notion i think macs are the holy gift from god and will not sin
[11:05] <fern> Burgundavia: yes! try http://packages.ubuntu.com/ :-))
[11:05] <sataere> lockups happen a lot
[11:05] <xamdm> closure, buy a mac and leve here ?? :-), ps just an idea
[11:05] <seven_six_two> hey isn't there supposed to be an update?
[11:05] <closure> xamdm, what do you mean leave here?
[11:05] <kakalto> closure, you're not the only fanboy :D
[11:05] <kakalto> you can run linux on a mac :D
[11:05] <xamdm> closure, go away and use jour mac :-)
[11:05] <Zotnix> Linus does that.
[11:06] <closure> kakalto, os x == free bsd
[11:06] <Zotnix> noooo.
[11:06] <kakalto> true
[11:06] <closure> kakalto, well atleast based on
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> er...
[11:06] <EvilIdler> Install PPC Ubuntu and use Mac-on-Linux to run Mac apps :)
[11:06] <kakalto> yeah
[11:06] <Zotnix> Not ==. Heh. Based, loosely...
[11:06] <kakalto> I got what ya meant
[11:06] <Zotnix> But gutted.
[11:06] <kakalto> we knew what he meant
[11:06] <seven_six_two> now or in an hour maybe?
[11:07] <light_punch2> PPC is for mac processor right?
[11:07] <seven_six_two> anyone know release time?
[11:07] <mg> morning. is there any chance that the selection highlight of the human theme will be put back to some lighter and without the gradient? it's really not nice to use, imho.
[11:07] <jobezone> seven_six_two, i don't know
[11:08] <xamdm> light_punch2, PPC ist the processor in a mac (build from IBM)
[11:08] <mg> it's too dark now and the gradient gets quite tiring, very quickly.
[11:08] <seven_six_two> arrgh
[11:08] <thoreauputic> seven_six_two: release time was like an hour ago :0
[11:09] <snowblink> From the RC, I just do a normal apt-get upgrade or do I need to do a dist-upgrade??
[11:09] <exalted> snowblink, it depends on your needs i think.
[11:09] <snowblink> exalted, how?
[11:10] <huhe> that method isn't working for me at all
[11:10] <exalted> snowblink, upgrade option upgrades the packages already installed on the system while dist-upgrade solves also dependencies
[11:10] <exalted> a kind of smart-update
[11:10] <exalted> .)
[11:11] <snowblink> even though I've been pointing to hoary all this time?
[11:11] <exalted> i didn' get you?!
[11:12] <kakalto> so... dist-upgrade isn't distrobution upgrade, it's just smart-upgrade?
[11:12] <snowblink> exalted, I didn't think I needed to dist-upgrade if I have been pointing to hoary previously
[11:12] <exalted> kakalto, what do you espect from a distro. upgrade?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> dist-upgrade will pull in anything new, normal upgrade just upgrades what you already have
[11:13] <exalted> guys listen to thoreauputic too...
[11:13] <kakalto> exalted, I thought it was upgrade to the newest thing
[11:13] <exalted> kakalto, yeah depending on your source.list file, it upgrades your system
[11:13] <huhe> distribution and updates are two different things
[11:13] <kakalto> eg. if I did it in a few days time, it would do breezy stuff
[11:13] <thoreauputic> dist-upgrade, for example, will install new kernels, upgrade won't
[11:13] <snowblink> okay, so apt-get update && dist-upgrade
[11:13] <thoreauputic> snowblink: yes
[11:14] <Arnia> kakalto: Only if you change your sources to point to breezy
[11:14] <huhe> snowblink if that works for me let me know i'd like to see your sources.list
[11:14] <Sp4rKy> anyone can help me about cedega use ?
[11:14] <kakalto> ahk.
[11:14] <exalted> kakalto, it"s not just that autoatic, it depends on your source.list file
[11:14] <kakalto> thanks
[11:14] <kakalto> yeah
[11:14] <kakalto> I get it now
[11:14] <reparks> how do i get mplayer to play audio through /dev/dsp1?
[11:15] <kakalto> how many people here use xfce?
[11:15] <ProfQki> hi
[11:15] <snowblink> well I just did apt-get update, followed by apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:15] <thoreauputic> kakalto: wait a while for announcements before trying to change to breezy - the guys will be having a break
[11:15] <DarthFrog> snowblink: And you're now a happy camper? :-)
[11:15] <ProfQki> can somebody help, what i have to modify in apt-sources to dist-upgrade to hoary?
[11:15] <exalted> snowblink, that command should do your job, only if your source.list file have correct, let's say, parameters, but it's very true..
[11:16] <snowblink> nothing new installed
[11:16] <huhe> ok i have burned the official hoary and would like to add it to my sources.list but do not know how
[11:16] <kakalto> thoreauputic, I was just using it as an example, I stick to releases, I'm not one of those trusting-of-unstable people
[11:16] <thoreauputic> kakalto: :)
[11:16] <DarthFrog> ProfQki: change the instances of warty to hoary in apt.sources.
[11:16] <jobezone> huhe, run synaptic and add the cd as a repository
[11:16] <ProfQki> darthfrog: thats all?
[11:16] <kakalto> well, I don't keep with the times, let's put it that way
[11:17] <exalted> snowblink, that means depending on your source.list file, everything is up-to-date on your system
[11:17] <snowblink> I guess the upgrade I did yesterday pretty much got everything
[11:17] <MrNonchalant> Hello, this is a stupid newbie question but I have absolutely no idea what to Google for this.
[11:17] <kakalto> I'll get a new package from somewhere (that's unstable) and install it, but not the whole system
[11:17] <meng> just wondering if there's ubuntu mirrors in asia?
[11:17] <kakalto> meng, probably
[11:17] <MrNonchalant> I was upgrading to Hoary and it asked about overwriting a file that I had previously configured
[11:17] <exalted> meng, Asia is a big continent :) Where exactly?
[11:17] <MrNonchalant> So I hit d
[11:17] <MrNonchalant> To tell it to show me the difference
[11:17] <meng> SEA, Malaysia?
[11:18] <MrNonchalant> Now I can't get out of the output from that
[11:18] <kakalto> meng, it's whether they have the newest release or not
[11:18] <Daehlie> kubuntu needs better gtk themes
[11:18] <exalted> meng, don't think so.. never catched in eye
[11:18] <jobezone> huhe, well, i probably didn't fully answer your question
[11:18] <MrNonchalant> I'm stuck in a command line text editor of some sort
[11:18] <kakalto> kubuntu? I thought gtk was ubuntu?
[11:18] <meng> coz, the regular mirror is quite slow
[11:18] <MrNonchalant> With no idea how to exit
[11:18] <MrNonchalant> Can anyone help?
[11:18] <exalted> meng, anyway go tho Ubuntu's web site and click on the download link, there are the mirrors..
[11:18] <DarthFrog> kakalto: Kubuntu is KDE on Ubuntu.
[11:19] <xamdm> Daehlie, just install gtk-gt-enigine ;-)
[11:19] <virtuald> MrNonchalant: press q
[11:19] <meng> no, i mean the apt mirror
[11:19] <kakalto> yeah, isn't GTK GNOME, and QT with KDE?
[11:19] <Sp4rKy> nobody for cedega ...
[11:19] <DarthFrog> MrNonchalant: And which particular editor is displeasing you?
[11:19] <xamdm> kakalto, yes
[11:19] <snowblink> Heh - I'll have more fun when I try to upgrade my Warty system at home
[11:19] <exalted> MrNonchalant, 99% of the cases "q" will quit
[11:19] <thoreauputic> MrNonchalant: are you sure it's an editor? Try ctrl-c
[11:19] <lucychili> :q
[11:19] <MrNonchalant> virtuald: thanks
[11:19] <thoreauputic> ah q of course
[11:19] <jobezone> huhe, you still want to know what line do you have to put, right? sorry, but search arround the wiki, or do "man sources.list" to find how is that line suposed to go
[11:20] <MrNonchalant> Thank you all.
[11:20] <exalted> meng, oh i'm sorry i get you wrong.
[11:20] <jobezone> hehe, or use apt-cdeom
[11:20] <jobezone> hehe, or use apt-cdrom
[11:20] <exalted> meng, just a min.
[11:20] <Xeon3D> It's out :P
[11:20] <MrNonchalant> I'm afraid I'm incredibly new to Linux and liable to ask such stupid questions often.
[11:21] <Xeon3D> MrNonchalant, ask anyway. :D
[11:21] <kakalto> MrNonchalant, you're not going to find out unless you ask :D
[11:21] <onkarshinde> Can anyone help me download ubuntu using jigdo? I am on windows.
[11:21] <exalted> oh meng sorry i'm on debian right now, mirrors are different
[11:21] <xamdm> MrNonchalant, everybody is sometimes new to something, just ask :-)
[11:21] <thoreauputic> MrNonchalant: not a stupid question - it isn't intuitively obvious
[11:21] <kakalto> it almost is, but not quite
[11:21] <kakalto> I asked a similar question earlier today :P
[11:22] <sataere> MrNonchalant, Youve just entered the nicest community in the computing world, ask away.  :)
[11:22] <exalted> onkarshinde, you have to find the jidgo port on windows i think
[11:22] <MrNonchalant> Well, looks like rebooting time. Let's see what the improved boot speed feels like :D
[11:22] <meng> exalted: i know, i had to clean install ubuntu coz i added debian sources
[11:22] <meng> completely nuked my install
[11:23] <exalted> meng, if you can wait just a while i'm booting my laptop to write you mirror adress
[11:23] <onkarshinde> exalted: There is one. But it doesn't work properly. It tried to find template file in wrong place.
[11:23] <exalted> onkarshinde, ??
[11:24] <sataere> Well, I might as well ask my question now.  Can anyone get mplayer to play ogm files?  Mine all act like they're playing, but don't actually display anything.
[11:24] <exalted> meng, "http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main" instead of "it" try you country code...
[11:25] <onkarshinde> exalted: Leave it. I have to find some other way. Torrent is not working at my lace.
[11:25] <onkarshinde> my place
[11:25] <murciano> hi, I got a faq: can I safely upgrade to 5.04 or should I re-install my warty?
[11:25] <reparks> man i get get any video player to work
[11:25] <exalted> onkarshinde, aham the jidgo thing...
[11:25] <athlon> does ubuntu support floppy-ftp install where you boot with floppy and it automagically connects to a ftp server ?
[11:25] <exalted> onkarshinde, slow connection there?
[11:25] <meng> exalted: i doubt that malaysia has a mirror, but i'll give it a shot
[11:26] <elcu> Hello, I'm getting an error box whenever I start Totem: 'Totem could not startup.  Failed to create a GStreamer play object.'
[11:26] <sataere> reparks, Well, whenever I try to play ogm it says "playing file.ogm" instead of the usual "V: 10%..."  and then after a while (and a lot of processor time) it quits like the file ended.
[11:26] <exalted> meng, just try, you take the first error, you erase that line :)
[11:26] <elcu> I installed the w32codecs and libdvdcss if that matters.
[11:26] <sataere> What are you trying to play, elcu?
[11:27] <elcu> Nothing, it won't start form the menu.
[11:27] <Mestapheles> I finally got rhythmbox to play and avoid the "can't pause playback"!
[11:27] <exalted> MS core font package exist on Ubuntu? I think in multiverse???
[11:27] <sataere> elcu, ah.  Kind of sounds like you're missing the gstreamer libs.
[11:27] <elcu> Ah, thanks.
[11:27] <sataere> elcu, hey, I could be wrong, just what it sounds like :)
[11:28] <meng> the closest is indonesia
[11:28] <exalted> meng, give it a try
[11:28] <elcu> sataere, Synaptic tells me that libgstreamer0.8-dev isn't installed
[11:29] <elcu> sataere, Neither is plugins0.8-dev
[11:29] <sataere> elcu, The dev package is the package you would use if you were developing, those aren't what you need, I don't think.  :)
[11:29] <exalted> elcu, sataere is right!
[11:29] <elcu> Well is he right or wrong?! :-)
[11:29] <exalted> elcu, right.
[11:30] <exalted> :)
[11:30] <thoreauputic> exalted:  msttcorefonts
[11:30] <i2oboDude> Hey! from Miami.FL!
[11:30] <yusufg> no seeds for the live-i386.iso.torrent ;-(
[11:30] <exalted> thoreauputic, don't exist
[11:30] <elcu> right: i don't need them or right: i do need them?
[11:30] <sataere> elcu, I'm right about the dev packages, I don't know about the gstreamer libs being your problem
[11:31] <exalted> thoreauputic, using main restricted and universe repositories but there's no package
[11:31] <i2oboDude> What do you guys do once you find a problem and fix it?
[11:31] <exalted> elcu, you don't need dev packages until you're going to develop'em
[11:31] <exalted> i2oboDude, gooooooogle :)
[11:31] <thoreauputic> exalted: hmm - they are in warty universe - can't speak for the new-fangled hoary :)
[11:31] <kakalto> lol
[11:31] <elcu> so what *do* i need then?  I'm pretty sure I could start Totem before.
[11:31] <exalted> thoreauputic, i see
[11:31] <snowblink> i2oboDude, file bug, submit patch
[11:32] <exalted> thoreauputic, thx anyway, i'll give it a try
[11:32] <i2oboDude> Would you guys mind if i share a problem I found but fixed?
[11:32] <meng> got it, thanks
[11:32] <exalted> elcu, please search for totem with Synaptic, and try to mark it to re.install
[11:32] <elcu> i2oboDude, by all means.
[11:33] <elcu> exalted: right.
[11:33] <i2oboDude> I was thinking of writting the tip at the forums, but i dunno whats best... so let me tell u...
[11:33] <iGama> hy ppl
[11:33] <i2oboDude> iGama, HEYO!
[11:33] <iGama> wazup?
[11:33] <exalted> have to go now, you guys take care; and happy GNUings...
[11:33] <elcu> hmm, totem isn't installed, but it's a dummy package, whereas totem-gstreamer is.
[11:34] <Upayavir1> I'm planning to upgrade my Debian Sarge notebook to Ubuntu. Should I go with the Hoary preview, or wait for the full release?
[11:34] <cyklus> what audio drivers do i use in gnome? esd, sdl, oss??  im confused
[11:34] <snowblink> i2oboDude, what did you fix?
[11:34] <garrut> Upayavir1: hoary is final
[11:35] <thoreauputic> Upayavir1: the release happened about an hour ago :)
[11:35] <Upayavir1> :-
[11:35] <Upayavir1> :-)
[11:35] <sataere> elcu, the totem-gstreamer package specifies that you want gstreamer to be the backend for totem's gui
[11:35] <cyklus> no way
[11:35] <cyklus> its final
[11:35] <cyklus> thought it was another month
[11:35] <i2oboDude> It seems that GRUB has problems installing into the right MBR of a disk when one has a PATA and SATA drive, specificially I had the SATA as the boot drive with WinXP, and 2 other partions being that of linux......and the PATA drive being used as archive space. Some how GRUB at the install thinks that the PATA is the boot drive and hence installs it into that MBR, upon restart after install the BIOS boots the SATA... so wha
[11:35] <i2oboDude> t you end up with is that GRUB doesn't load up at all and instead loads windows...
[11:35] <cyklus> software doesnt get released ahead of time :P
[11:35] <sataere> elcu, another option is totem-xine, you could try switching to totem-xine, but you'd need a couple different xine codecs
[11:35] <sataere> elcu, I personally like xine better, but xine crashes my display because I have a shitty video card
[11:35] <dolphy> is there a way for me to build external kernel modules for package installed kernel without rebuilding the kernel from source ?
[11:36] <tombs> hi everyone
[11:36] <i2oboDude> ....i went in with Knoppix to fix the probelm by reiinstalling GRUB in the SATAs MBR
[11:36] <thoreauputic> cyklus: today has been the target date for some weeks
[11:36] <elcu> reinstalled, still crashing.
[11:36] <cyklus> thoreauputic: I must have been looking at some old timeline
[11:36] <kakalto> is gstreamer actually working in hoary?
[11:36] <kakalto> in warty, I was told to avoid it at all costs
[11:37] <elcu> should i try the xine package?
[11:37] <dolphy> kakalto: it works fine
[11:37] <dolphy> kakalto: install gstreamer-ffmpeg if you want good support for proprietary formats though
[11:37] <kakalto> ahk
[11:37] <i2oboDude> snowblink, elcu,... there u go? So whats best should i write up something in the forums? or file a BUG report with GRUB?
[11:37] <kakalto> thanks, dolphy
[11:38] <dolphy> np
[11:38] <sataere> elcu you could try the xine package, it would probably fix your problem, again, I like xine a hell of a lot better than gstreamer
[11:38] <thoreauputic> i2oboDude: maybe write in the wiki
[11:38] <i2oboDude> thoreauputic, wiki it is then...
[11:39] <huhe> i've added the official hoary cd to my sources.list though when i apt-get update it does not read the cdrom at all
[11:39] <thoreauputic> xine rocks
[11:39] <thoreauputic> huhe: run sudo apt-cdrom to scan it
[11:39] <sataere> thoreauputic, I agree heartily, sucks that xv crashes my system without fail
[11:41] <i2oboDude> thanks guys
[11:41] <jobezone> huhe has done this
[11:41] <thoreauputic> sataere: i prefer xine-ui - totem-xine seems a bit flaky on my system
[11:41] <jobezone> using "sudo apt-cdrom add" to add the cd
[11:41] <KudDa> need help ... how i connect to the internet using dsl via networkcard ?
[11:42] <Simira> jdub: where's Enmore?
[11:42] <KudDa> give me a strating point
[11:42] <thoreauputic> Simira: inner west, Sydney near newtown
[11:42] <KudDa> give me a starting point
[11:42] <Simira> thoreauputic: thanks
[11:43] <sataere> thoreauputic, any xine will crash my system thanks to xv.  My celeron processor doesn't have the cache for xshm, and my video card has emulated support for opengl at best.  So I'm stuck with mplayer and x11
[11:43] <jdub> Simira: only a little way out of the city
[11:43] <seven_six_two> KudDa, you have a router?
[11:44] <KudDa> nop ... just my glite xDSL modem ... connected to my eternet card
[11:44] <thoreauputic> sataere: I appear to have decent xv support, though I also have a celeron
[11:44] <iGama> why do i have to study.. :S
[11:44] <thoreauputic> sataere: my onboard video is decent I guess
[11:44] <ArdieM> ive edited menu.lst (grub)
[11:44] <huhe> if i boot from cdrom can i upgrade without losing programs and data ?  to update to official version ?
[11:45] <ArdieM> do i have to run any command to activate the changes ??
[11:45] <sataere> thoreauputic, xv rocks if the video card supports it
[11:45] <seven_six_two> is your network card working?
[11:45] <jobezone> huhe, no. the only way to upgrade is adding the cd-rom as a repository
[11:45] <sataere> thoreauputic, but mine is a POS for windows laptops
[11:45] <KudDa> yes ... i'm running xp on the same pc... xp can connect fine
[11:46] <seven_six_two> i mean in linux
[11:46] <huhe> surely someone has updated their sucessfully i dont understand why it wont scan the cdrom.
[11:46] <jobezone> huhe, after all, the cd-rom isn't acessed during apt-get update, but it is shown if you update in a command line
[11:46] <waxhead> hey everyone
[11:46] <kakalto> Is it hard to get 56k modems working under linux?
[11:46] <gsuveg> re
[11:46] <gsuveg> # Note: This option is only available if Squid is rebuilt with the
[11:46] <gsuveg> #       --enable-delay-pools option
[11:46] <kakalto> or ubuntu, more specifically?
[11:46] <waxhead> kakalto, nope...
[11:46] <gsuveg> ubuntus squid built with it ?
[11:47] <kakalto> waxhead, I mean winmodems
[11:47] <waxhead> kakalto, what's hard is if you have a win modem
[11:47] <KudDa> yes ... it detect ok ... on the network setting ok
[11:47] <kakalto> yeah
[11:47] <jobezone> huhe, only during actual instalation, does it ask for the CD
[11:47] <gsuveg> or anybody body use traffic control with squid ?
[11:47] <waxhead> kakalto, generally yes... haven't tried it myself
[11:47] <KudDa> where do i key in login and password for my dsl connection?
[11:47] <elcu> kakalto, i got mine working using wvdial
[11:47] <elcu> two-step process.
[11:47] <kakalto> oo
[11:47] <kakalto> do tell
[11:48] <elcu> dial-up modems yeah?
[11:48] <roshambo> if i download the package 'linux-tree-2.6.11' which is suposed to be ubuntus kernel tree, will it come with a .config file so its ready to compile? the reason i ask is i need to change a line in a driver and recompile the kernel, but my attempts to it so far leave me with crashing kernels
[11:48] <sataere> KudDa, You have to set up pppoe
[11:48] <seven_six_two> a ppp-dialer
[11:48] <kakalto> elcu, yeah
[11:48] <gsuveg> if the modem external thats easy, if winmoden not :)
[11:48] <roshambo> ideally i'd just hexedit the kernel module but that hasnt worked for some reason
[11:48] <elcu> yeah, wvdial will take care of all that pppoe stuff for you.
[11:49] <KudDa> how i can access pppoe ?
[11:49] <elcu> WVDial is on the CD
[11:49] <kakalto> so, install WVDial, then run it?
[11:49] <kakalto> and cross your fingers, hoping it will work?
[11:49] <elcu> well, read the readme.
[11:50] <seven_six_two> i'd read the docs first
[11:50] <roshambo> wvdialconf will set up wvidal for you if it can find your modem
[11:50] <elcu> You have to edit one file to set up your username, pword etc.
[11:50] <elcu> But, yes, very easy to use.
[11:50] <BuffaloSoldier> sabdfl in the house
[11:50] <dolphy> sataere: you can have xv without xshm
[11:50] <sabdfl> CONGRATULATIONS everyone on the release!
[11:51] <kakalto> elcu, with winmodem?
[11:51] <kakalto> eg. lucent?
[11:51] <bobesponja> does  Ubuntu 5.04 comes with xorg?
[11:51] <elcu> not sure 'bout that.  but i would try anyway.
[11:51] <sabdfl> bobesponja: absolutely
[11:51] <sabdfl> 6.8.2
[11:51] <sabdfl> the freshest
[11:51] <thoreauputic> sabdfl: and thanks to you for making it all possible :)
[11:52] <BuffaloSoldier> sabdfl, thanks to you too
[11:52] <sataere> dolphy, I know, xv on its own will fuck up my display and freeze my cpu beyond the ability to CTRL ALT BKSP out of X
[11:52] <bobesponja> sabdfl : cool thx
[11:52] <sataere> dolphy, xshm just runs slow enough to get warnings
[11:52] <blackfeet> hi
[11:52] <sataere> dolphy, same with opengl
[11:52] <blackfeet> is there a graphical way in ubuntu hoary to edit the applications menue?
[11:52] <DUbunGuy> i can i use webmin in ubuntu
[11:53] <DUbunGuy> there is no root account
[11:53] <DUbunGuy> ?
[11:53] <gsuveg> no
[11:53] <BuffaloSoldier> DUbunGuy, in deed there is no root account
[11:53] <dolphy> sataere: well you can use gstreamer and set the Multimedia System selector to use ximagesink
[11:53] <DUbunGuy> well how the heck ....
[11:53] <dolphy> sataere: with totem
[11:53] <BuffaloSoldier> DUbunGuy, during installation there is an explaination on why
[11:53] <dolphy> sataere: it will then do software scaling
[11:53] <sataere> dolphy, Yeah, but gstreamer doesn't support many codecs
[11:53] <BuffaloSoldier> DUbunGuy, i guess you must have missed it
[11:53] <dolphy> sataere: install gstreamer-ffmpeg
[11:54] <thoreauputic> blackfeet: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673&highlight=menu+editor
[11:54] <DUbunGuy> the why i do know but the how now iss thikling me
[11:54] <dolphy> sataere: it will then support the same things than others
[11:54] <sataere> dolphy, Hmm...cool, thanks.
[11:54] <DUbunGuy> how the hell can i use webmin then
[11:55] <DUbunGuy> it said during their installation that they copied the root password
[11:55] <dolphy> sataere: xine, mplayer vlc.. everybody use ffmpeg :)
[11:55] <dolphy> sataere: so they all support the same things in the end
[11:55] <DUbunGuy> now i tried and got banned from my how pc
[11:55] <BuffaloSoldier> what ever command that you need to run as root, use "sudo"
[11:55] <Simira> jdub: Enmore would be somewhere between the airport and university of Sydney, right?
[11:55] <BuffaloSoldier> example if you need to run gedit as root... the the command would be "sudo gedit"
[11:55] <DUbunGuy> i cant sudo a web page password
[11:55] <sataere> dolphy, Yeah, I compiled ffmpeg when I was fiddling with mplayer.  Can I just use that compiled version?
[11:55] <DUbunGuy> jack ass
[11:55] <jdub> Simira: yeah
[11:55] <BuffaloSoldier> it then will ask for a password, just enter your user password
[11:56] <DUbunGuy> i know....
[11:56] <dolphy> sataere: well you better use the package
[11:56] <DUbunGuy> you are not listeniong
[11:56] <thoreauputic> BuffaloSoldier: webmin is an issue - it *requires* root
[11:56] <BuffaloSoldier> sudo su then
[11:56] <dolphy> sataere: hoary's package of gstreamer are working really well
[11:56] <sataere> dolphy, I seem to remember having tried it, and not having it work for quicktime files
[11:56] <BuffaloSoldier> i see
[11:56] <DUbunGuy> your not listening
[11:56] <BuffaloSoldier> how bout becoming a superuser?
[11:56] <DUbunGuy> i do know how to use goid damn sudo
[11:56] <thoreauputic> DUbunGuy: do sudo passwd root to set up a root password
[11:56] <DUbunGuy> thanks
[11:56] <DUbunGuy> that was the point
[11:57] <blackfeet> thoreauputic: thanks, but it sounds strange to me that there isn't one in gnome, ..
[11:57] <DUbunGuy> buffalo missed the whole point
[11:57] <BuffaloSoldier> DUbunGuy, sorry for not undestanding your problem and thanks for calling me a jack ass
[11:57] <n3m3s1s> Hi
[11:57] <DUbunGuy> thanks thoreauputic
[11:57] <thoreauputic> blackfeet: indeed - it's a gnome bug, not ubuntu bug
[11:57] <sataere> thoreauputic, but setting up a root password doesn't change the password you need to use to access the normal things like synaptic
[11:57] <BuffaloSoldier> suo n3m3s1s
[11:57] <BuffaloSoldier> sup
[11:57] <n3m3s1s> I have install W3 , but when i type "wine war3.exe" i has blackscreen ?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> sataere: correct
[11:57] <n3m3s1s> plz can u help me
[11:58] <sataere> thoreauputic, which personally strikes me as a security flaw.
[11:58] <kakalto> how do I add mp3 support into hoary?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> sataere: I don't know - I'm just a user: no expert I'm afraid
[11:59] <kakalto> ?
[11:59] <sataere> thoreauputic, no worries, it's just my two cents.  :)
[11:59] <thoreauputic> kakalto: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:59] <DUbunGuy> cedega works just fine
[11:59] <DUbunGuy> 5$ tho
[12:00] <kakalto> thoreauputic, already got that
[12:00] <kakalto> getting ffmpeg now
[12:00] <kakalto> hopefully that will fix it
[12:00] <thoreauputic> kakalto: then mp3 should play in rhythmbox
[12:00] <kakalto> hmm
[12:01] <kakalto> thenuke, how do I get juk to play mp3's
[12:01] <ctr> anyone know how I can reset my gnome desktop to the default one shipped with OSX >
[12:01] <kakalto> woops
[12:01] <n3m3s1s> I have install W3 , but when i type "wine war3.exe" i has blackscreen ?
[12:01] <kakalto> *then
[12:01] <thoreauputic> ctr: ?? OS -X ??
[12:01] <elcu> Do applications add themselves to the menu automatically after install?
[12:01] <DUbunGuy> they should
[12:02] <ctr> sorry
[12:02] <thoreauputic> ctr: are you confusing apple with ubuntu?
[12:02] <ctr> ubuntu
[12:02] <DUbunGuy> sometime you need to klill the panel
[12:02] <ctr> thoreauputic: I am currently in OSX
[12:02] <DUbunGuy> for it to rebuild correctly
[12:02] <kakalto> how do I get a kde app to play mp3's?
[12:02] <ctr> thoreauputic: looking up ext2 fs for osx
[12:02] <Riddell> kakalto: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[12:02] <ctr> thoreauputic: and I was looking at a webpage whilst typing the sentence
[12:02] <BuffaloSoldier> DUbunGuy, is webmin anything like the CUPS web-interface/control?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> ctr: if you move/delete  ~/.gnome and .gnome2 you should get back to default settings
[12:03] <kakalto> Riddell, my bad, thakns
[12:03] <DUbunGuy> its a way to admin the pc over the web
[12:03] <DUbunGuy> binb apache postgres and all the like
[12:03] <ctr> thoreauputic: doesn't work
[12:03] <ctr> brb
[12:03] <ctr> let me reboot and test
[12:03] <i2oboDude> u dont have to reboot
[12:03] <linux_mafia> this is OT, but is anyone here familiar with bc?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> BuffaloSoldier: webmin does all kinds of config things with a web interface
[12:04] <LadyRoot> can anyone tell me how to apt-get qt-libs? (on #kubuntu no answer :(( )
[12:04] <n3m3s1s> I have install W3 , but when i type "wine war3.exe" i has blackscreen ?
[12:04] <i2oboDude> ctr, ctrl+atl+backspace i think restarts X
[12:04] <DUbunGuy> stfu with your w3
[12:04] <sataere> dolphy, totem-gstreamer has failed to play ogm
[12:04] <DUbunGuy> ctrl-alt-backspace doesnt restart x it kill it
[12:04] <DUbunGuy> way more violent
[12:05] <i2oboDude> oops
[12:05] <i2oboDude> lol
[12:05] <i2oboDude> whats the restart?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: try apt-cache search libqt
[12:05] <sataere> DUbunGuy, stfu yourself it's a legitimate complaint
[12:05] <DUbunGuy> dunno
[12:05] <DUbunGuy> well been repeated 5 time
[12:05] <elcu> LadyRoot, what's the problem?
[12:05] <Burgundavia> sataere: please remember the Ubuntu CoC
[12:05] <DUbunGuy> ok i will try
[12:05] <LadyRoot> elcu, just can't compile anything for kde
[12:05] <BuffaloSoldier> i don't know if this piece of info will be helpful/useless.. but before using the CUPS web-interface i had to add "sudo adduser cupsys shadow"
[12:06] <sataere> Burgundavia, what did I do?
[12:06] <DUbunGuy> but repeating 5 time the same thing is as annoying
 DUbunGuy, stfu yourself
[12:06] <DUbunGuy> would you just shut up now
[12:06] <elcu> LadyRoot, do you get an error message?
[12:06] <LadyRoot> that no qt libs found ;)
[12:06] <slept> i2oboDude: /etc/init.d/gdm   restart or kdm if you are using kubuntu
[12:07] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: you need the  -dev libraries to compile
[12:07] <LadyRoot> okok, thanks
[12:07] <sataere> Burgundavia, he told someone to stfu who I feel had a legitimate complaint.  Now if you'd like to fault me for sticking up for someone after DUbunGuy told him to stfu, then feel free.
[12:07] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: and if you gaven't already, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:07] <DUbunGuy> all stfu
[12:07] <thoreauputic> *haven't
[12:07] <DUbunGuy> god damnned people
[12:08] <LadyRoot> thoreauputic, i have essentials, x-includes etc, just didnt have libqt3-mt-dev
[12:08] <thoreauputic> DUbunGuy: cool it now
[12:08] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: ah, well you should be set now :)
[12:08] <Burgundavia> sataere: I didn't see the earlier comment. But my statment still stands. His personal attack doesn;t condone yours
[12:09] <sataere> Burgundavia, I see.  His personal attack doesn't violate the CoC, whereas mine does, when we used the same words?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: let's leave it - sataere hasn't been anything but polite so far
[12:09] <DUbunGuy> tssss
[12:09] <LadyRoot> thoreauputic, thank you ;)
[12:09] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: you're welcome :)
[12:10] <sataere> thoreauputic, Thank you, I have no ill will of anyone DUbunGuy included, I merely wished to provide an echo.
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sataere: I didn't says his didnt', I just didn
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sataere: see it
[12:10] <thoreauputic> sataere: I saw the whole thing and you merely repeated his words :0
[12:10] <kakalto> what does the default kubuntu desktop look like?
[12:11] <slept> kde
[12:11] <kakalto> I know that much
[12:11] <Riddell> more blue than brown
[12:11] <kakalto> ahk
[12:11] <wdh> kakalto, try it :)
[12:11] <Beineri> kakalto: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=286&slide=1
[12:11] <kakalto> heheh
[12:11] <kakalto> wdh, I think I'll stick to my nice xfce setup ;)
[12:12] <DUbunGuy> re got experience with coding video card driver
[12:12] <Beineri> kakalto: well, some things changed since then...
[12:12] <DUbunGuy> cuz i would kill for a workable voodoo5 linux driver
[12:12] <kakalto> thanks, Beineri
[12:12] <DUbunGuy> amigamerlin is doing one for windows
[12:12] <sataere> Burgundavia, well then I'll offer you my apologies and hope that this goes no further.
[12:12] <DUbunGuy> is it portable to linux
[12:13] <DUbunGuy> or is the architechture completlly different
[12:14] <DUbunGuy> the guy is italian and i can berelly understand his site but i know that in xp his driver ressurected the card
[12:14] <blackfeet> i'cant get working the menueeditor form here http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor, i found no readme or something like this
[12:15] <Burgundavia> sataere, thoreauputic: The CoC needs to be mentioned for all breaches, IMHO. If we allow some, then what is the threshold?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I feel whenever it is raised too trivially , it results in a lengthy series of justifications and useless argumentation
[12:16] <sataere> Burgundavia, if that is so, then hasn't DUbunGuy breached it on two occasions, one of which you admitted that you saw (if only in retrospect), and yet you choose not to mention it to him in any way.
[12:16] <thoreauputic> I have no problem with the principle
[12:17] <Burgundavia> sataere: if I did, I would have said something
[12:17] <thoreauputic> sataere: I agree - the offender was DUbunGuy and not you
[12:17] <sataere> Burgundavia, I must agree with thoreauputic on this one.  Having it be mentioned for non-gratuitous cases is a pointless waste of time that could be better spent helping people.
[12:18] <yfir> oh who cares...
[12:18] <DUbunGuy> would you get this over with
[12:18] <DUbunGuy> you sound like 2 little secondary kid or something
[12:19] <slept> where can i find openssl
[12:19] <thoreauputic> DUbunGuy: given that you were the offender, I don't think you have any right to complain, frankly
[12:19] <DUbunGuy> rit
[12:19] <kent> slept, by installing it with synaptic. Just look for it.
[12:19] <slept> its not there
[12:20] <hor> Wenn ich jetzt apt-get update ausfhre, bekomme ich dann sozusagen das fertige Hoary?
[12:20] <DUbunGuy> heil too the irc fachist
[12:20] <slept> i need it for dsniff
[12:20] <Nabiki> Well, my NTFS problem is solved, and I managed not to trash windows in the process. ^_^
[12:22] <yfir> slept: openssl is indeed in the ubuntu repositories
[12:22] <thenuke> EvilIdler: Still here? I guess I tracked down the problem
[12:22] <slept> hor : /join #ubuntu-de
[12:22] <DUbunGuy> synaptic is quite good but not as good as yast
[12:22] <kent> slept, according to my computer (apt-cache showpkg openssl) its in ubuntu hoary.
[12:22] <ac-id> yes
[12:22] <ac-id> in fact u cant even compare it to YaST
[12:23] <thenuke> EvilIdler: I have libc6-i686 installed. And I have i386-cpu on that particular machine, now I wonder how I do get rid of those i686-optimized libraries
[12:23] <Arnia> ac-id: shush you ;)
[12:24] <slept> kent, yfir i can't find it i just did an update
[12:24] <ac-id> Im just being honest
[12:24] <DUbunGuy> me too
[12:24] <ac-id> hey i just changed all of our workstations here from NLD to Ubuntu
[12:24] <ac-id> so shoosh you
[12:25] <kent> slept, and you have ubuntu 5.04?  Not that i think it should make any difference, but.. just to be sure.  Becaus it should be in the main archive.  What happens if you open up a terminal and runs "sudo apt-get install openssl"?
[12:25] <Arnia> ac-id: Snide, but amusing though :)
[12:26] <slept> kent : i use hoary , i don ever use synaptic only apt, but I can`t find it it's not there. which mirror do you use ?
[12:26] <Arnia> I also 'meh' and 'nyicket'
[12:27] <ericf> I'm running hoary. When clicking the screenshots at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view , firefox asks me how i want to open the .png's. Is this because of a setting in firefox, or the MIME-type specified by the webserver? I want firefox to display the images, of course.
[12:27] <sataere> I have all the gstreamer plugins installed, but totem-gstreamer "can't detect the type of stream" on my ogm file
[12:27] <sataere> Anyone encounter this?
[12:28] <kent> slept, Actually i dont use a mirror. I should probably do so, to spare some bandwidth from ubuntu/canonical, but since I have been running Hoary for some time, these days when people start downloading ubuntu, I have nothing to download so i dont think i use that much anyway :)
[12:28] <DUbunGuy> ho men webmin fucked up , someone in here use it , i installled it first time it did say it copied root passwrod i had none so i created a pass , then purged and reinstalled webmin now it seem to still use the old NULL pass
[12:28] <thenuke> Is anyone able to tell me how to switch libc6-i686 to i386-optimized version?
[12:29] <DUbunGuy> reinstall ..
[12:29] <DUbunGuy> beside that i dunno
[12:29] <slept> kent can you paste your sources.list in #flood
[12:29] <Beineri> kakalto: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=29&title=kubuntu+5.04+final+screenshots
[12:29] <sataere> thenuke, If 686 works for you, why would you want to downgrade?
[12:29] <kakalto> wow
[12:29] <blacklabel> u
[12:29] <kakalto> Beineri, they're here already?
[12:30] <thenuke> sataere: does not work on the target machine which is not i686.
[12:30] <blacklabel> are there are distros of linux that will work on a 486?
[12:30] <kent> thenuke, I dont think ubuntu comes with libs that is precompiled for specific targets, like libc for i386, amd, etc. Or do they? That would take much space on the cd :(
[12:30] <thenuke> kent: dunno but I seem to have libc-i686 package installed
[12:30] <sataere> thenuke, fair enough
[12:31] <ericf> blacklabel: yes, there are. Take a look at debian. But be aware that you won't be able to run gnome on it, so don't expect it to be a fluent workstation experience
[12:31] <kent> slept, go to #hej  (some times there is so much flood in #flood so I cant read.. so i always choose a nother channel :)
[12:31] <DUbunGuy> hehe installed on a pc then swapped the hd
[12:31] <DUbunGuy> that a bad thing to do
[12:31] <DUbunGuy> your using linux not windows
[12:31] <thenuke> kent: well, any knowledge how to "downgrade" that particular package to different architecture
[12:31] <slept> kent ok i joind hej
[12:31] <thoreauputic> blacklabel: there are, but mostly *very* old ones like early slack - I believe DamnSmall will run on a 486, but with much tweaking
[12:32] <thenuke> thoreauputic: should run on 486 without tweaking
[12:32] <blacklabel> hmm
[12:32] <i2oboDude> Does Ubuntu use GRUB 1 or 2?
[12:32] <thoreauputic> thenuke: ah, OK - i only read about it once over a year ago so maybe it's easier now
[12:33] <ericf> blacklabel: Actually, why bother? That hardware is ancient, and pentium 2's are lying on the street
[12:33] <blacklabel> because i have one
[12:33] <DUbunGuy> so true
[12:33] <thoreauputic> ericf: could make a useful firewall or whatever
[12:33] <ericf> yes, true.
[12:33] <DUbunGuy> i actully found 2 p2 450 mhz down the street
[12:33] <i2oboDude> It seems like Ubuntu uses GRUB Legacy.... right????
[12:33] <DUbunGuy> they now run apache
[12:33] <thenuke> thoreauputic: yup, I just read from their webpage about that 486 thing
[12:33] <ericf> blacklabel: What is you purpose? run as firewall/router?
[12:34] <kev0r> With who do i have to complain if the Updates didn't go well? As in they messed up my system?
[12:34] <kent> thenuke, well, as I said before, I dont think you can do that in ubuntu. And i doubt that you will get so much of a change from using another version..
[12:34] <DUbunGuy> i use a 800 as firewall
[12:34] <thenuke> kent: well, my p133 wont boot if there are i686 optimized libc6
[12:34] <blacklabel> i have an old laptop running win3.1 but i just want to put linux on there to play around basically
[12:34] <DUbunGuy> thats for sur
[12:34] <thenuke> atleast I think that libc.so.6 belongs to libc6-i686 package
[12:34] <thoreauputic> kev0r: maybe tell your story on the ubuntu-users mailing list
[12:34] <brenton> <- Linux newbie... How do I change my monitor?  I have a IBM P70
[12:35] <ericf> blacklabel: What are the specs - How many MHz, how many RAM
[12:35] <blacklabel> umm
[12:35] <DUbunGuy> i got minix 2 running on  a commodore pc30 in here
[12:35] <blacklabel> not too sure
[12:35] <DUbunGuy> you need a 386 min for linux
[12:35] <roo_> i2oboDude, grub2 is development version.
[12:35] <kev0r> thoreauputic: can you pass me some info on that?
[12:35] <blacklabel> ill look now
[12:35] <thoreauputic> kev0r: hang on a sec
[12:35] <DUbunGuy> i couldnt get linux on the commodore had to get minix
[12:35] <DUbunGuy> work fine tho
[12:36] <DUbunGuy> ;)
[12:36] <thenuke> kent: and I have got ubuntu running OK on a p133 ok before, now I had to used i686 to install it, which really seemed to cause the use of some i686-libs
[12:36] <kev0r> i knew when it said: NOT VALIDATED i'd be screwed after installing them
[12:36] <thoreauputic> kev0r: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[12:36] <kev0r> nad i was so damned right
[12:36] <kev0r> thanks thoreauputic
[12:36] <DUbunGuy> dont install ubuntu on low end pc
[12:36] <DUbunGuy> its not the point of ubuntu
[12:36] <LadyRoot> what prefix is needed to compile anything for kde? meant the one that in all other dostros is /opt/kde ?
[12:37] <DUbunGuy> use something smaller
[12:37] <blacklabel> ericf: its got a 250MB hard drive im not sure where to find the other info in 3.1
[12:37] <SuperQ> LadyRoot: /usr
[12:37] <DUbunGuy> 250 mb then get a old slack
[12:37] <LadyRoot> SuperQ, that doesn't work :(
[12:37] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: /usr/local is safe
[12:37] <DUbunGuy> some kernel 2.4
[12:37] <DUbunGuy> and not 2.6
[12:37] <blacklabel> is there a way from ms dos i can find the cpu speed and ram?
[12:37] <SuperQ> LadyRoot: do you have kde-dev installed?
[12:37] <kev0r> thoreauputic: do you have any clue were to mail to? :)
[12:37] <LadyRoot> yep
[12:37] <thoreauputic> SuperQ: /usr is for official packages etc
[12:38] <xamdm> LadyRoot, /usr is default for kde in kubuntu
[12:38] <goggle2> when I want to set up an old pentium box I always go back to an early version of slackware, everything works
[12:38] <SuperQ> thoreauputic: I know this
[12:38] <DUbunGuy> like i said
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kev0r: scroll down the page and see users list
[12:38] <goggle2> including if you have to install from floppies...
[12:38] <DUbunGuy> slack is the original and the best
[12:38] <ericf> blacklabel: Maybe it's visible at bootup. But if you want to run linux on that, be prepared for a lot of hassle. It will improve your skills, but has nothing to do with productivity :)
[12:38] <SuperQ> hah
[12:38] <DUbunGuy> lol
[12:38] <sataere> thenuke, I think it's just the shared files that are 686 optimized, not the actual headers
[12:38] <SuperQ> DUbunGuy: yes, i started on slack back in 94
[12:38] <ac-id> holy crap kubuntu is nice
[12:39] <goggle2> you could even go back to an a.out based slack distro for something like a P90
[12:39] <ac-id> i prefer it to ubuntu
[12:39] <ac-id> well
[12:39] <ac-id> maybe i just prefer kde
[12:39] <kakalto> ac-id, ?
[12:39] <kakalto> hehe
[12:39] <SuperQ> ac-id: yea
[12:39] <DUbunGuy> kde suck
[12:39] <DUbunGuy> ho sorry
[12:39] <ac-id> im a windowmaker xfce man myself
[12:39] <ac-id> but this is prett
[12:39] <ac-id> +y
[12:39] <kakalto> ac-id, me too, but ya reckon it's good?
[12:39] <goggle2> wmaker my fave for X but do a lot of work with screen
[12:39] <DUbunGuy> am talking to you from a bare xterm
[12:39] <ericf> I'm running hoary. When clicking the screenshots at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view , firefox asks me how i want to open the .png's. Is this because of a setting in firefox, or the MIME-type specified by the webserver? I want firefox to display the images, of course.
[12:39] <DUbunGuy> just kidding using gnome
[12:40] <ac-id> yes
[12:40] <goggle2> am talking to you from console using matrox-fb
[12:40] <DUbunGuy> damn you got to install image magik or somekind of image codec
[12:40] <falcon3> i screwed up my gnome!  HELP !
[12:40] <falcon3> i'm now in failsafe terminal
[12:40] <DUbunGuy> thats cool
[12:41] <DUbunGuy> you can still do everything
[12:41] <ac-id> ok i think im in love with kubuntu
[12:41] <slept> falcon3 what did you do ?
[12:41] <DUbunGuy> i hate kde    : kid desktop enviroment
[12:41] <falcon3> when i log in with GDM to gnome i get the "your session lasted less then 10 secs..."
[12:41] <Frossi> Damn it was easy to upgrade to hoary :D zero problems and it only took 40 minutes ;) nice
[12:41] <falcon3> slept: i get "unable to read /home/kevin/.ICEauthoriry"
[12:42] <Burgundavia> DUbunGuy: regardless of your opinion, there are better ways to express what you like and dislike about kde
[12:42] <falcon3> .ICEauthority
[12:42] <thoreauputic> falcon3: sudo rm .ICEauthority
[12:42] <DUbunGuy> kde : kid desktop enviroment
[12:42] <xamdm> falcon3, did jou run a app with sudo ??
[12:42] <sataere> ericf, They display fine under my firefox.
[12:42] <thoreauputic> falcon3: it will regenerate
[12:42] <blacklabel> so anyone got any links to help me try get linux on my 486?
[12:42] <DUbunGuy> that say it all
[12:42] <falcon3> ok, hold on
[12:42] <falcon3> i'll come back after i tried it
[12:42] <DUbunGuy> install slack like we told you
[12:42] <kent> falcon3, remove that file and see what happens. If its own by root, run "sudo rm .ICE.."
[12:43] <DUbunGuy> or you get minix
[12:43] <yfir> DUbunGuy: take it to #kde
[12:43] <DUbunGuy> but there you dont get linux but basic unix
[12:43] <Burgundavia> DUbunGuy: this channel is primarily for helping and talking about ubuntu, please remember that
[12:43] <Rebroad> hi. please can someone run the "top" command and let me know what mem total it reports please?
[12:43] <DUbunGuy> i wont i dont talk about kde if you dont keep talking about it
[12:43] <thoreauputic> DUbunGuy: you couldn't be more off-topic if you tried, could you *grin*
[12:43] <ericf> sataere: that would mean it's a problem with my settings...
[12:44] <sataere> ericf, That's what it seems like :( sorry
[12:44] <EddieX> Why is the torrent so slow ?
[12:44] <catalin> help:when loading ubuntu fatal error :modprobe not ok
[12:44] <kakalto> EddieX, no idea
[12:44] <DUbunGuy> the guy ask for help on a 486
[12:44] <DUbunGuy> and i sugest slack and minix and iam off topic
[12:45] <EddieX> kakalto, Ok, well i can wait for this because it is so GOOD :)
[12:45] <Burgundavia> DUbunGuy: this is not #linux, it is #ubuntu
[12:45] <kakalto> EddieX, that's the spirit :D
[12:45] <EddieX> Hehe indeed
[12:45] <goggle2> I used to run an early version of slack on a 486DX50 (actually an overclocked 33) and even on a 386DX40 (amd)
[12:45] <DUbunGuy> well you dont install ubuntu on a 486 so i point him the rit way
[12:45] <DUbunGuy> see
[12:45] <catalin> help:when loading ubuntu fatal error :modprobe not ok
[12:45] <DUbunGuy> hes got a dx2
[12:45] <DUbunGuy> wth you think ubuntu woll do for him
[12:45] <goggle2> you could try www.slackware.org, but I suggest get an older version than the current version 10
[12:45] <DUbunGuy> yeah get the 2
[12:46] <Rebroad> my top command says I have 516340k memory which is ~504MB. how come?
[12:46] <DUbunGuy> the oldest you can
[12:46] <blacklabel> thats why i was asking where do i get it
[12:46] <goggle2> if you want to run X you can (just), but you want a really lightweight window manager - try fvwm
[12:46] <goggle2> again if you get an older version of slack, it's all in there
[12:46] <blacklabel> goggle2: from where?
[12:46] <DUbunGuy> then again you prolly dont want run x on a 486
[12:47] <goggle2> the slack homepage is at www.slackware.org
[12:47] <DUbunGuy> they doesnt have the version 1 it disapered
[12:47] <sataere> blacklabel, May I suggest linux from scratch?  That's the best way to run on an older or embedded system.
[12:47] <goggle2> I've just been looking, the ftp sites they list only seem to have the most recent version (10)
[12:47] <DUbunGuy> am not assambling it from usenet
[12:47] <blacklabel> sataere: please explain?
[12:47] <Rebroad> DUbunGuy: hi. what do you get if you do a "cat /proc/meminfo|grep MemTotal" please?
[12:47] <DUbunGuy> uclinux
[12:47] <DUbunGuy> or minix are better
[12:48] <DUbunGuy> i get 1024 meg
[12:48] <Fator_Dee> Rebroad: MemTotal:       516608 kB
[12:48] <Rebroad> DUbunGuy: does it give you the result in kB or mB?
[12:48] <DUbunGuy> kb
[12:48] <sataere> blacklabel, basically you install the kernel and a c compiler, and you compile everything else you need by hand :)
[12:48] <slept> Rebroad: what are you really looking for ? You don't want to know how much mem everyone in here has ,do you ?
[12:49] <Rebroad> Fator_Dee: 516608/1024 = 504.5  ... isn't that a bit of a strange number?
[12:49] <ctr-> chris@rincewind:~ $ cat /proc/meminfo|grep MemTotal
[12:49] <ctr-> MemTotal:       644184 kB
[12:49] <billyoc> mine goes to 11.  ;)
[12:49] <DUbunGuy> lol
[12:49] <catalin> i download yahoo messenger and i cant install it
[12:49] <catalin> why?
[12:49] <Fator_Dee> Rebroad: dunno, this thing works and thats enough for me
[12:49] <DUbunGuy> i got more ram on my ipaq
[12:49] <Fator_Dee> *that's
[12:49] <goggle2> have a look here: www.volny.cz/basiclinux/oldpc/distro.html
[12:49] <falcon3> thank you all
[12:49] <catalin> why?
[12:49] <falcon3> removing it worked
[12:50] <Rebroad> I should have 512MB as I've got two 256MB SODIMMS in my laptop, so why is linux reporting only 504MB???
[12:50] <DUbunGuy> it doesnt mather
[12:50] <goggle2> he's got a link to an installation script for old pc's
[12:50] <falcon3> i also deleted .gnome and .nautilus, so i need to set some things straight again
[12:50] <Arnia> Rebroad: Your graphics card may be using some of the RAM
[12:50] <goggle2> using a more recent slack
[12:50] <DUbunGuy> for 8meg
[12:50] <ac-id> k i have a good question to ask
[12:50] <catalin> some body help
[12:50] <catalin> i download yahoo messenger and i cant install it
[12:50] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: I seem to recall 5% or similar is reserved for the kernel, but I may be wrong - mine shows less than expected too
[12:50] <DUbunGuy> there you go graphic
[12:50] <goggle2> your biggest problem will be the amount of memory; try to get as much  in there as possible to stop it paging
[12:51] <ac-id> i have Dell Latitude D800 with an onboard modem
[12:51] <andzx> Guys, does anybody knwo if Ubuntu 5.04 distro includes a firewall?
[12:51] <goggle2> you'll need at least 32MB
[12:51] <ac-id> htf can i get it to work in Linux?
[12:51] <ac-id> its one fo those software modems
[12:51] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: ah. that's sounds feasible. thanks
[12:51] <DUbunGuy> asking if linux include firewall
[12:51] <sataere> ac-id, Grah evil winmodem!
[12:51] <roo_> ac-id, not easy.
[12:51] <zeeble> Hello. anyone here running postfix? Do you have a dir inside /etc/postfix? or just main.cf, master.cf and dynamicmaps?
[12:51] <Fator_Dee> andzx: it doesn't need one, but I think iptables is on every distro
[12:51] <roo_> ac-id, often not even possible.
[12:51] <ac-id> yes!
[12:51] <kakalto> andzx, I think so
[12:51] <catalin> can i install dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb on ubuntu?
[12:51] <ac-id> BAD WINMODEM
[12:51] <slept> Rebroad : try free, it gives me the right number
[12:51] <Rebroad> looks like they might have fixed the nvidia-glx problem finally...
[12:51] <kakalto> winmodem's are pretty evil, I hear
[12:51] <ac-id> *sigh*
[12:51] <ac-id> dont tell me that
[12:52] <DUbunGuy> winmodem is crippled and wont work
[12:52] <zeeble> andzx: apt-get install firestarter. read the ubuntuguide.org
[12:52] <siimo> catalin, yes but why not use gaim? its much better
[12:52] <andzx> ok, thank's
[12:52] <DUbunGuy> they use proprietary code in windows to operate
[12:52] <thoreauputic> ac-id: linmodems.org
[12:52] <zeeble> catalin: yes. but Gaim's yahoo supprort is nice.
[12:52] <DUbunGuy> and aint open source
[12:52] <DUbunGuy> your fuck
[12:52] <ac-id> any hints at all?
[12:52] <ac-id> ta
[12:52] <sataere> ac-id, heh, winmodems can work
[12:52] <Rebroad> slept: what do you get as total memory from the free command?
[12:52] <Elsidox> has anyone gotten pearpc running on ubuntu?
[12:52] <sataere> ac-id, use thoreauputic 's link
[12:52] <catalin> and i can chat with my friens who have yahoomessenger?
[12:52] <DUbunGuy> just throw the 56k out the windows and get high speed
[12:53] <zeeble> catalin: yes. gaim allows you to chat with yahoo/msn/aim/ users at the same time. one program.
[12:53] <ac-id> thanks
[12:53] <zeeble> catalin: apt-get install gaim
[12:53] <thenuke> kent: righto, apt-get remove libc6-i686 seemed to fix my problem. That machine is now able to boot
[12:53] <ac-id> u guys are better than google
[12:53] <thoreauputic> DUbunGuy: not everyone has that option, unfortunately
[12:53] <catalin> thanks
[12:53] <slept> Rebroad : 256856
[12:53] <zeeble> hey thoreauputic .. you a ubuntuer?
[12:53] <ac-id> ubugoogle
[12:53] <thoreauputic> zeeble: amongst other things, yes ;)
[12:54] <Rebroad> slept: 256856k = 250 MB... so you're missing 6MB also...
[12:54] <zeeble> thoreauputic: heh. ok.
[12:54] <DUbunGuy> tsss we are not a substitute for your brain
[12:54] <roo_> ac-id, your modem has caused you  to start muttering insanities!
[12:54] <DUbunGuy> that is kernel stack you noob
[12:54] <zeeble> right now what i need a tarball of someone's /etc/postfix/
[12:54] <borgista> yay for hoary!
[12:55] <matthijs_> I'ld like to install some themes for beep-media-player, can I apt-get them?
[12:55] <Burgundavia> DUbunGuy: I suggest you refer to the Ubuntu CoC. We don't call people 'noobs' here
[12:55] <Arnia> DUbunGuy: Would you mind refraining from insulting people? It is getting a bit annoying
[12:55] <DUbunGuy> i try
[12:55] <thoreauputic> DUbunGuy: there are a lot of "noobs" here - if you prefer a more elite channel, feel free to go there
[12:55] <DUbunGuy> no noob are funnier
[12:55] <DUbunGuy> and then i can try ro help
[12:55] <zeeble> matthijs_: beep media player uses winamp2/xmms themes.
[12:56] <catalin> zeeble after i install gaim do i need an account or is my ymess account?
[12:56] <slept> Rebroad: I think it has to do with kib and mib the strange thing with one mb not beeing 1024 kb , you can see that with your hd aswell
[12:56] <matthijs_> zeeble: Can I apt-get the? And would the be placed in the correct dirs (since I don't use xmms)
[12:56] <slept> but I'm not sure
[12:56] <sataere> DUbunGuy, I am sure you would find better company in the #debian room :)
[12:56] <zeeble> catalin: run gaim, goto Accounts - Add account - select yahoo and add your old yahoo account ID
[12:56] <spacey> anyone having warty>hoary upgrade break at apache2/php4?
[12:56] <DUbunGuy> no am banned there
[12:57] <zeeble> DUbunGuy: of course.
[12:57] <sataere> DUbunGuy, lmao I wonder why
[12:57] <catalin> k
[12:57] <catalin> 10x
[12:57] <DUbunGuy> :P
[12:57] <thoreauputic> hehe banned from #debian - figures
[12:57] <sataere> It's a sad day when the ubuntu room accepts Debian rejects.
[12:57] <zeeble> matthijs_: hm. then you better get the skins individually and use them. there's no beep media player skins package that i can see. maybe you can start packaging a few :)
[12:57] <Rebroad> who's banned?
[12:58] <MrNonchalant> woot. hoary rocks. I love you people.
[12:58] <Fator_Dee> damn, the repositories are slow :-p
[12:58] <kev0r> you can put money in my account
[12:58] <kakalto> MrNonchalant, indeed. share the love :D
[12:58] <kev0r> MrNonchalant:
[12:58] <matthijs_> zeeble: Ah I'm getting to much used to portage :P
[12:58] <DUbunGuy> no there not
[12:58] <thoreauputic> sataere: perhaps rather than CoC invocations we could use some more active ops :/
[12:58] <DUbunGuy> i got 350k dl on the repo
[12:58] <chrissturm> did they change the nautilus behavior again for final?
[12:58] <MrNonchalant> Factor_Dee: wait until it hits slashdot
[12:59] <Rebroad> what's next after hoary?
[12:59] <sataere> thoreauputic, I heartily agree :)
[12:59] <Fator_Dee> MrNonchalant: I'd rather not...
[12:59] <borgista> Breezy Badger....I think Rebroad
[12:59] <zeeble> matthijs_: :)
[12:59] <Fator_Dee> and I'm no Factor :-\
[12:59] <DUbunGuy> make me admin am proactive
[12:59] <sataere> thoreauputic, Though maybe not...I suppose it is better to accept the rabble than run the risk of banning those who deserve to be here.
[12:59] <thoreauputic> sataere: it's a fine line, yeah
[01:00] <DUbunGuy> yeah
[01:00] <MrNonchalant> ah, sorry Fator_Dee
[01:00] <Fator_Dee> np :-)
[01:00] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: active ops is being worked on
[01:00] <zeeble> which packages write to /etc/postfix? other than postfix?
[01:00] <zeeble> during installation.
[01:00] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: good to hear :)
[01:00] <ac-id> www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/index.php
[01:00] <Burgundavia> chrissturm: it is close the windows behind you
[01:00] <ac-id> :)
[01:00] <ac-id> my modem she is working
[01:00] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: they delayed meetings until after the release
[01:01] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: fair enough
[01:01] <MrNonchalant> uhoh, banning rabble *runs*
[01:01] <DUbunGuy> outside ?
[01:01] <agabus> i've installed the new hoary. and tried to ./configure something and it claims i have to C compiler???
[01:01] <sataere> It's a sad thing when you see the sunrise...twice in a row
[01:01] <DUbunGuy> its only 7 am
[01:01] <i2oboDude> sataere, no... hehehe haven't slept either
[01:01] <Arnia> Midday here... quite a chilly day, dunno why
[01:01] <Burgundavia> agabus: to get the compiler, install build-essential
[01:01] <kent> agabus, you need to install build-essential
[01:02] <sataere> i2oboDude, Heh, my girl is going to kill me
[01:02] <DUbunGuy> omg their is sun
[01:02] <i2oboDude> Ubuntu has caused me sleepless nights! Dam u Ubuntu! DamU!
[01:02] <DUbunGuy> and it is chilly
[01:02] <agabus> alright. i just can't believe ubuntu doesn't come with a compiler
[01:02] <Arnia> Twisted has caused me sleepless nights
[01:02] <zeeble> agabus: it does. you need to explicitly install them
[01:03] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: next cc meeting is the 13th
[01:03] <DUbunGuy> my girl left me when i started compilling slack back then
[01:03] <zeeble> agabus: you were told. apt-get install build-essential
[01:03] <thoreauputic> agabus: it sort of does - it's on the CD
[01:03] <agabus> why isn't it installed by default?
[01:03] <DUbunGuy> it is on the cd for sure
[01:03] <agabus> most everyone compiles something eventually
[01:03] <Burgundavia> agabus: most users will not need it
[01:03] <DUbunGuy> because ubuntu is a "desktop"
[01:03] <zeeble> agabus: why should it? why would i want 200MB of stuff installed?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> agabus: because of the desktop orientation of the distro
[01:03] <CarlK> agabus cuz it is no the 1900's any more ;)
[01:04] <sataere> apt-get install gcc and then you have a compiler :)
[01:04] <agabus> haha
[01:04] <DUbunGuy> lots of answer
[01:04] <billyoc> I would think most everyone has no idea what a C compiler is.  :)
[01:04] <chrissturm> i think they should change the nautilus behaviour to act like upstream
[01:04] <agabus> zeeble - 200MB?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> chrissturm: there is much discussion about that
[01:04] <DUbunGuy> tsss ask them about nasm
[01:04] <i2oboDude> A C comiler adds Cs to words Duh
[01:04] <Arnia> chrissturm: There is a gconf key
[01:04] <CarlK> agabus - because compliling everything is GEEneraly TOO much hassle
[01:04] <Burgundavia> chrissturm: see the bug 8516 in the Ubuntu bguzilla
[01:04] <chrissturm> thx
[01:04] <zeeble> agabus: well, however much build-essential installs. :p it is atleast 100MB
[01:04] <roo_> CarlK, say that in #gentoo :p
[01:04] <thoreauputic> sataere: actuall y build-essential is the package (gets g++ etc as well)
[01:04] <wezzer> is it safe to upgrade to hoary? I'm using warty...
[01:05] <wezzer> has anyone tried yet?
[01:05] <sataere> CarlK, nah, linux from scratch, I say!
[01:05] <agabus> i just installed it in like 5 seconds, i doubt it was 100 meg
[01:05] <DUbunGuy> it is
[01:05] <zeeble> agabus: maybe you already had lots of the packages from the metapackage installed.
[01:05] <azad> hi, where can i get video codecs.. best would be a codec pack.. i think it are some microsoft codecs
[01:05] <DUbunGuy> then you miss all dev package
[01:05] <DUbunGuy> w32codecs
[01:05] <Arnia> Hmm... I should probably go and have a nap
[01:05] <sataere> thoreauputic, oooo...no  >.< bad...I'm part of cpp coders anonymous...I'm trying to quit, you see
[01:05] <zeeble> azad: http://www.ubuntuguide.org search for "codecs" there
[01:05] <Arnia> Before getting back into coding
[01:06] <DUbunGuy> its in nerillet repo
[01:06] <zeeble> Arnald: nap. and ice cream
[01:06] <zeeble> DUbunGuy: it is nerim.net. marillat is depreciated. since more than a year.
[01:06] <Arnia> zeeble: Nah, don't like ice cream
[01:06] <DUbunGuy> ok
[01:06] <CarlK> #genoo is pretty laid back, much like here.  You should have seen what happened when I asked "how do I get the file out of "something-ubuntu.udeb" in #debian...
[01:06] <zeeble> Arnia: too bad.
[01:06] <thoreauputic> azad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:07] <Arnia> CarlK: How did you survive? ;)
[01:07] <azad> mh
[01:07] <azad> thanks
[01:07] <CarlK> Arnia - I ran.
[01:07] <DUbunGuy> but i guess its in universe now cuz in dont have nerim neither on this pc and i got w32codec
[01:07] <slept> azad: you can get codecs from mplayer.hu
[01:07] <DUbunGuy> there too
[01:07] <DUbunGuy> but its an haslle
[01:07] <thoreauputic> CarlK: haha - #debian is worth visiting as a spectator blood-sport ;)
[01:07] <sataere> CarlK, heh, they were none too happy when I asked them about GFDL either
[01:07] <DUbunGuy> just add that nerim thingy
[01:07] <CarlK> lol
[01:08] <CarlK> indeed.
[01:09] <Arnia> Really? Wouldn't have guessed...
[01:09] <DUbunGuy> its like a fight arena in therew
[01:09] <DUbunGuy> used to start fight in bbs too back them
[01:09] <keffo> *waiting for updates* nanana
[01:09] <Arnia> I'm getting really cranky. Sleep and then back into the fray with Barter
[01:09] <DUbunGuy> i guess i was one of the first troll men
[01:09] <tiredbones> Can someone point out a "howto" on migrating to hoary from warty?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> DUbunGuy: most people wouldn't boast about being a troll
[01:10] <borgista> They're berating some newcomer to linux in #debian.
[01:10] <borgista> And out come the wolves!
[01:10] <dolphy> how does one build kernel modules for packaged kernel ? Is there a specific package to install to get the preconfigured /usr/src/linux/include... ?
[01:10] <DUbunGuy> tsss
[01:10] <DUbunGuy> am no ordinary troll
[01:10] <DUbunGuy> i do help people
[01:10] <zeeble> can anyone here DCC me a tarball of their /etc/postfix, without the main.cf...?
[01:10] <DUbunGuy> i just rant to much
[01:11] <catalin> help: i want when minimize to see the window down the panel because it goes to wright-down corner HOW I DO THAT?
[01:11] <mach> tiredbones, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[01:11] <DUbunGuy> ?
[01:11] <closure> what is the apt-get to update your sources?
[01:11] <tiredbones> thanks mach.
[01:11] <chrissturm> wohoo, my nautilus is spatial again :)
[01:11] <DUbunGuy> i dont get what you meant catalin
[01:11] <Arnia> catalin: Please refrain from 'shouting' (using capitals)
[01:11] <zeeble> closure: sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[01:11] <slept> closuere: apt-get --help
[01:12] <zeeble> err,m remove the upgrade part.
[01:12] <chrissturm> they should really change that back or create a nice gui for it
[01:12] <Arnia> I mean using capitals for the whole word of course. Proper punctuation is otherwise encouraged :)
[01:12] <catalin> IF IMINIMIZE THW WINDOW DONT GO DOWN TO SEE LIKE IN XP
[01:12] <thoreauputic> catalin: you have probably lost your window list applet: right click, add, window list
[01:12] <thoreauputic> catalin: stop shouting , please
[01:12] <DUbunGuy> poor xp user
[01:12] <borgista> Wow...is that a sentence catalin?
[01:13] <DUbunGuy> hes all lost give him a chance
[01:13] <thoreauputic> catalin: right click the panel and try what I suggested
[01:13] <DUbunGuy> hes brain got bugged like his old os
[01:13] <catalin> for two days yes itis a sentence
[01:13] <DUbunGuy> hapenned to some of my friend too
[01:13] <Arnia> How long until this meeting regarding ops?
[01:14] <Arnia> rhetorical question of course
[01:14] <andzx> Has someone tried Americas Army game? I'm downloading it adn jsut wanted to knwo if the gamepaly is as good as the screenshots of the game
[01:14] <Burgundavia> Arnia: 13th
[01:14] <DUbunGuy> tsss
[01:14] <Burgundavia> Arnia: but I understand the sentiment
[01:14] <catalin> wright click where?
[01:14] <borgista> Am I the only one that finds War games to be absolutely digusting?
[01:14] <borgista> disgusting*
[01:14] <DUbunGuy> army game , this one is revolting , did this shit with contribuable money
[01:14] <DUbunGuy> like we are paying taxe for a stupid game
[01:14] <EvilIdler> borgista: One of few. Nothing like a little pixellated massacre to brighten the day ;)
[01:15] <Jimbob> borgista: Better than real war, at any rate.
[01:15] <thoreauputic> catalin: on the panel  - tray whatever you prefer to call it
[01:15] <driaN> I need both Gnome and KDE so it's there any difference if I download the ubuntu install cd and then add kubuntu or if I download the kubuntu instalation cd and the add Gnome?
[01:15] <Burgundavia> DUbunGuy: please remain ontopic and please refrain from swearing
[01:15] <EvilIdler> Jimbob: Yep
[01:15] <Burgundavia> driaN: both have the same base system
[01:15] <Arnia> Burgundavia: How do I get involved in the art team btw?
[01:15] <zeeble> driaN: download ubuntu. install it .install kde later.
[01:15] <Burgundavia> Arnia: no idea
[01:15] <thoreauputic> catalin: click add and choose from the list
[01:15] <DUbunGuy> it was on topic he talk of america army dont you care that some million from your money was used to produce a game
[01:15] <andzx> so AA is worth it or is not?
[01:16] <catalin> found and done
[01:16] <zeeble> you've been wanting to nap since 15 minutes! go sleep.
[01:16] <catalin> 10x
[01:16] <Jimbob> DUbunGuy: Stop trolling :-)
[01:16] <Burgundavia> DUbunGuy: I am a Canadian
[01:16] <DUbunGuy> its hard
[01:16] <thoreauputic> catalin: you're welcome :)
[01:16] <DUbunGuy> its in my wien
[01:16] <borgista> I'm actually more angry about how much money is spent on Defense(Offense) but that's a different story, and a different channel.
[01:16] <DUbunGuy> i was born with a bbs in hand you know
[01:16] <DUbunGuy> i am canadian too
[01:16] <catalin> now another:how can i download a movie?
[01:17] <DUbunGuy> does it make me a better troll
[01:17] <catalin> from torrent
[01:17] <borgista> just download it...and then click it.
[01:17] <DUbunGuy> with a torrent program
[01:17] <zeeble> catalin: have you read http://www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> DUbunGuy: you were born with a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, perhaps?
[01:17] <borgista> it should open the torrent program.
[01:17] <borgista> or you can use Azureus
[01:17] <DUbunGuy> install bittornado
[01:17] <Burgundavia> catalin: just click on the torrent in firefox
[01:17] <DUbunGuy> the opne in ubuntu suck
[01:17] <catalin> i dont understand so much
[01:17] <Burgundavia> catalin: it will ask you to use gnome-bittorrent
[01:17] <Burgundavia> catalin: and then say yes
[01:17] <DUbunGuy> azureus in debian
[01:18] <borgista> Or get Azureus from the site!
[01:18] <borgista> Even better.
[01:18] <DUbunGuy> does ubuntu have java by default guess not
[01:18] <huhe> is there a p2p program for linux for obscure/rare/old/retro music (non-mainstream) ?
[01:18] <borgista> No...but the ubuntuguide really helps w/setting up java
[01:18] <DUbunGuy> you would need java then
[01:18] <zeeble> DUbunGuy: a package that works on any linux distro will work in another. stop talking nonsense.
[01:18] <Jimbob> DUbunGuy: No, Java (from Sun) has licensing issues.
[01:18] <meng> i wish multimedia and graphics drivers are included
[01:18] <borgista> huhe...use Nicotine.
[01:18] <huhe> for ubuntu
[01:18] <andzx> here's a better question, how do you get the soudn to work on videolan
[01:18] <Burgundavia> meng: can't for license and patent reasons
[01:18] <huhe> i believe nicotine doesn't work since they changed protocols
[01:18] <borgista> huhe: Nicotine is a linux-client for Soulseek.
[01:18] <DUbunGuy> zeeblwe you arent making sense
[01:18] <borgista> It works for me.
[01:18] <meng> but with all the stupid licensing isssues
[01:18] <borgista> I alway use it.
[01:18] <andzx> i jsut see picture...but sound is, well it simply isnt there
[01:19] <huhe> amazing
[01:19] <huhe> ok
[01:19] <zeeble> blah.
[01:19] <DUbunGuy> blah yourself
[01:19] <meng> ati drivers are such a pain
[01:19] <borgista> I've had no issues with ati drivers.
[01:19] <borgista> knock on wood
[01:19] <andzx> isntalled ATI yesterday
[01:19] <catalin> it sais save to disk
[01:19] <reparks> i dont know if any one in here knows much about wine but, im installing steam/counter-strike and im at the steam login
[01:19] <DUbunGuy> gnome-torrent is lame but there is bittornado in ubuntu repo and for azureus we all know java is an hassle
[01:19] <andzx> works good, but nowhere to use that 3D acceceleration
[01:19] <reparks> and when i type any text into the login fourm
[01:19] <catalin> and ive done and i cant hear
[01:20] <reparks> it just goes right into the wine console window
[01:20] <zeeble> DUbunGuy: speak for yourself. no need for "we all know java is a hassle"
[01:20] <DUbunGuy> use cedega for steam
[01:20] <DUbunGuy> its way better
[01:20] <borgista> DUbunGuy: java is EASY to setup if you visit ubuntuguide.org
[01:20] <DUbunGuy> zeeble your even more of a troll then me
[01:20] <wezzer> 50 minutes to hoary!
[01:20] <reparks> havent been able to get steam this far even
[01:20] <thoreauputic> catalin: you probably just downloaded the torrent file, not the music file
[01:20] <reparks> and i paid for the 4.3 version and its worthless
[01:21] <DUbunGuy> ?
[01:21] <reparks> havnt even gotten world of warcraft to work
[01:21] <DUbunGuy> work great here
[01:21] <Sauron21> does anyone know what the shell command for KDE Control Center is ??
[01:21] <borgista> kcontrol
[01:21] <borgista> is the command.
[01:21] <DUbunGuy> i can even play on server ohosted on the same pc
[01:21] <DUbunGuy> wine cant do thet
[01:21] <DUbunGuy> that
[01:21] <zeeble> Sauron21: k tab tab you'll find out :)
[01:21] <DUbunGuy> it just crash or you get 800+ ping
[01:21] <DUbunGuy> but with cedega it work
[01:23] <DUbunGuy> anybody though of a rcon module for webimn tha would be neat
[01:23] <reparks> haha i figured away around it
[01:23] <reparks> i can copy from one window into the editbox
[01:23] <reparks> lol
[01:23] <DUbunGuy> ho that bug
[01:24] <wezzer> oh no
[01:24] <DUbunGuy> use the number untop the kb the numeric pad is bugged incedega and wine using steam
[01:24] <wezzer> the speed is slowing down
[01:24] <jobezone> are you all using xchat?
[01:24] <Fator_Dee> irssi \o/
[01:25] <kent> jobezone, yes box
[01:25] <DUbunGuy> mostly xchat
[01:25] <borgista> jobezone: I use GAIM
[01:25] <jobezone> and if so, can you use DCC to send files?
[01:25] <tomcat> hey all, I've got a question... I've got an old windows drive in hdc, and I don't know what format it is.... I tried mounting it ntfs but got wrong file sys type. And man mount didn't show me fat32 as an option... any suggestions?
[01:25] <apokryphos> jobezone: nope, Konversation here.
[01:26] <yfir> irssi here
[01:26] <DUbunGuy> its fat
[01:26] <borgista> tomcat...it's probably vfat
[01:26] <DUbunGuy> vfat
[01:26] <borgista> vfat = fat32
[01:26] <DUbunGuy> thats it
[01:26] <tomcat> vfat, gotya
[01:26] <borgista> Ok...I'm going to bed and die from this flu. Good night/morning.
[01:26] <borgista> Bye.
[01:26] <DUbunGuy> does ubuntu kernel have minix built in
[01:27] <Fator_Dee> damn, my downloads stopped completely :-\
[01:27] <DUbunGuy> could be usufull to get a tune up on my bbs server
[01:27] <kent> jobezone, yes i can use dcc to send files. i have not checked if for some time, but i have always been able to do it.
[01:27] <tomcat> hmmn... it's not showing up as vfat either... strange, I just looked at this drive on a windox last night
[01:27] <DUbunGuy> fat16 ?
[01:27] <DUbunGuy> old win95
[01:27] <kakalto> >_>
[01:28] <tomcat> Is there a utility or command I can try to check this thing out?
[01:28] <DUbunGuy> fdisk
[01:28] <DUbunGuy> l;ike in dos
[01:28] <jobezone> kent, not important for me, it's just that some times I try to DCC chat or DCC  Send and seems not to be doing nothing.
[01:28] <kent> fdisk -l /dev/device  will show the partitions on the drive.
[01:28] <DUbunGuy> but brighter
[01:29] <tomcat> I guess my 1st step would be to make sure there's a drive on hdc... like I saw at kernal bootup..
[01:29] <tomcat> Kent: thx, trying that.
[01:29] <snowblink> Is it just me, or does it feel like the website got /.ed?
[01:29] <kent> tomcat, "sudo fdsisk -l /dev/hdc" should work. I just saw that i needed sudo to show my partitions (hda)
[01:29] <thoreauputic> jobezone: if you are behind a NAT router or firewall, DCC can be an issue
[01:29] <sataere> Which website?
[01:29] <kakalto> snowblink, for real?
[01:29] <Burgundavia> snowblink: servers are loaded with downloads
[01:30] <jobezone> thoreauputic, I have a router
[01:30] <kakalto> snowblink, it always seems like that on a release day ;)
[01:30] <jobezone> thoreauputic, not managed by myself
[01:30] <snowblink> www.ubuntulinux.org - trying to update a wiki page
[01:31] <Burgundavia> snowblink: wiki is odd recently
[01:32] <jobezone> oh well, I have time to figure it out, thanks though
[01:32] <kakalto> g'night all
[01:32] <kakalto> I'll sleep well tonight, with hoary
[01:32] <wezzer> oh no, the speed is only 100kbit/s
[01:33] <tomcat> kent, that show there's a 'w95 Ext'd (LBA) partition and a W95 FAT32 one....
[01:33] <jobezone> the wiki should be cleaned up.
[01:33] <wezzer> it was 200kbit/s while a go
[01:33] <tomcat> Oh, wait, I'm not specifying the partition, am I... I'm just using 'hdc' when I try to mount... D'Oh!
[01:33] <kakalto> good luck to any people upgrading, and to any new users!
[01:33] <kent> tomcat, where does the fat32 show up? which partition?
[01:33] <kakalto> AND DON'T FORGET BITTORRENT!
[01:33] <tomcat> hdc5
[01:33] <kent> tomcat, thats the problem :)
[01:34] <kent> tomcat, "sudo mount /dev/hdc5 /media/windows"  (make sure to create the windows folder first) should work. You can mount it on other places aswell.
[01:35] <thoreauputic> jobezone: in xchat settings > prefs under file transfer, try "get IP from IRC server"
[01:35] <spanglesontoast> the updates out now?
[01:35] <Echylo> can somebody pass me the torrent file for the new hoary?
[01:35] <kent> tomcat, and you can put it in /etc/fstab. Add "user" under otptions and it will turn up in "Computer" in the desktop.
[01:35] <thoreauputic> jobezone: sorry for delay, I was afk
[01:35] <jobezone> thoreauputic, can I try sending you a file?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> jobezone: if it's a small one, sure (dialup here)
[01:36] <tomcat> Kent: Thanks for that command... I'm trying to back up my windows drives one by one and just use linux. fdisk -l is gonna be my friend...
[01:37] <jobezone> thoreauputic, ok, it's 5 bytes
[01:37] <jobezone> thoreauputic, thanks
[01:37] <Burgundavia> tomcat: gparted is a graphical way of seeing and manipulating disks
[01:37] <thoreauputic> jobezone: heh - I can handle 5 bytes ;)
[01:37] <driaN> the oficial ATI drivers are in rpm format, are there any other ATI drivers in deb format or do I need to convert them from rpm to deb?
[01:38] <Burgundavia> driaN: ati drivers are in the repos
[01:38] <thoreauputic> OK jobezone I see it but I can't accept
[01:38] <trygvebw> driaN, sudo apt-get install ati-fglrx
[01:38] <Burgundavia> driaN: search in synapatic for them
[01:38] <thoreauputic> jobezone: it won't transfer
[01:38] <jobezone> hmm..
[01:38] <spanglesontoast> is the stable out now?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> jobezone: hang on a sec
[01:39] <jobezone> thoreauputic, must be of the router I'm using, somehow hides my IP?
[01:39] <trygvebw> spanglesontoast, yeah
[01:39] <spanglesontoast> why hasn't my sources been updated then?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> jobezone: did you try the change I suggested?
[01:39] <jobezone> thoreauputic, yes, I did
[01:39] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast: if you are running hoary already, nothing will change
[01:40] <Andzx> What could deliver some emulation of DirextX as good as cedega, but i'm not going to pay anything, so it shoudl be a free software
[01:40] <keffo> hm
[01:40] <thoreauputic> jobezone: OK
[01:40] <trygvebw> spanglesontoast, what do you mean? if you want to upgrade from warty to hoary, you need to change the sources manually
[01:40] <keffo> how do i chown all files in a directory?
[01:40] <trygvebw> keffo chown *
[01:40] <trygvebw> keffo chown user *
[01:40] <spanglesontoast> nope I'm on hoary just thought there would be some updates
[01:40] <keffo> nope
[01:40] <thoreauputic> keffo: chown -R foo:bar dirname
[01:41] <keffo> nope again
[01:41] <Andzx> Anyone? Cedega = have to pay, what to use instead?
[01:41] <keffo> all files still locked
[01:41] <jobezone> thoreauputic, pain in the but, these routers
[01:41] <thoreauputic> keffo: do you own that dir?
[01:41] <mvirkkil> Andzx: Wine + dx9 patches
[01:41] <keffo> im chowing as root
[01:41] <trygvebw> Andzx, CVS Cedega or Wine + dx9
[01:41] <thoreauputic> keffo: you might need to do sudo -s first
[01:41] <keffo> chown -R keffo:keffo quake2
[01:41] <keffo> chown -R keffo:keffo quake2/*
[01:41] <keffo> aswell
[01:41] <keffo> as root
[01:42] <Andzx> mvirkkil, how do I set em, is there a guide somewhere?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> keffo: what is the output when you do it?
[01:42] <GarySaved> Oh ... You just answered my question.  No new desktop, either?
[01:42] <keffo> nothing
[01:42] <keffo> all files in the dir still got a little locker on it
[01:42] <spanglesontoast> brb
[01:42] <thoreauputic> keffo: well, no errors means it workrd
[01:43] <thoreauputic> keffo: do an ls -l on that directory
[01:43] <thoreauputic> or ls -al
[01:43] <keffo> well
[01:43] <keffo> im owner of everything
[01:43] <keffo> still a locker on the icon
[01:43] <keffo> looks lame
[01:43] <keffo> ,P
[01:43] <Den-Dens> Hy all I have a small problem I know how to mount my primary windows partition but I don't know how I can mount my extended windows partitions
[01:44] <thoreauputic> keffo: look at the permissions
[01:44] <sataere> Later thoreauputic, everyone, I think I need a little shuteye
[01:44] <keffo> only read acess
[01:44] <keffo> -r-----
[01:44] <keffo> hm
[01:44] <keffo> i can still remove files
[01:44] <keffo> ;P
[01:44] <zooko> /join #ubuntu-kernel
[01:44] <zooko> 
[01:44] <zooko> oops
[01:45] <thoreauputic> keffo: chmod -r 755 dirname
[01:45] <keffo> sure?
[01:45] <keffo> it says that '755' doesnt exsist
[01:46] <Zotnix> I think it is -R
[01:46] <keffo> me2
[01:46] <keffo> heh
[01:46] <slept> keffo chmod 775 --recursive /...
[01:46] <thoreauputic> yes, sorry
[01:46] <keffo> now it looks sweeter
[01:46] <keffo> ;P
[01:46] <keffo> thaks
[01:46] <bds> hi Ubuntu useres ;-)
[01:46] <Den-Dens> Hy all I have a small problem I know how to mount my primary windows partition but I don't know how I can mount my extended windows partitions
[01:46] <michael__> when are the torrents gonna pick up?
[01:47] <apokryphos> michael__: they haven't already?
[01:47] <closure> michael__, when more people get on them?
[01:47] <michael__> closure, ten points!
[01:47] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know how I can make the sound device appear as the other one?
[01:47] <bds> Den-Dens: must crate folder in /media/(windows)
[01:47] <michael__> michael__, whats that gnome bittorrent client called?
[01:48] <closure> michael__, it was just easy
[01:48] <Burgundavia> gnome-bittorrent
[01:48] <Burgundavia> very exciting name
[01:48] <billyoc> catchy name
[01:48] <Den-Dens> yea i know the primary partition i can mount but the extended not
[01:48] <jobezone>  gnome-btdownload
[01:48] <spanglesontoast> what's the automount file called and located?
[01:48] <michael__> at least its not gbittorrent
[01:48] <bds> Den-Dens, /media/windows after in fstab write hdb2 (windows partition) auto ntfs 0 0
[01:49] <paulproteus> Torrents?
[01:49] <Burgundavia> oops
[01:49] <bds> Den-Dens, after mount
[01:49] <paulproteus> I can seed those from a high-bandwidth connection.
[01:49] <paulproteus> One moment, please.
[01:50] <spanglesontoast> ?
[01:50] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast: fstab?
[01:50] <paulproteus> Can someone private-message me a link to the torrents?
[01:50] <spanglesontoast> yea
[01:50] <spanglesontoast> where it located
[01:50] <Xappe> hmm, my "about gnome" tells me i'm on 2.10.0, not 2.10.1 as stated in the Hoary release announcement
[01:50] <Burgundavia> paulproteus: www.ubuntu.com/download
[01:50] <michael__> arent the .torrent files just where the normal .iso files are?
[01:50] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:51] <paulproteus> michael__: So they are.
[01:51] <jobezone> Xappe, me too.
[01:51] <tahorg> hi
[01:52] <jobezone> Xappe, maybe while the ISO downloads are updated, the mirrors are not yet updated?
[01:52] <tahorg> is there any breezy apt repository now ?
[01:52] <spanglesontoast> fstab where is ?
[01:52] <jacquesmerde> paulproteus, it took me a while to realise that too! i am SUCH a lazy scroller...
[01:52] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast: /etc/fstab
[01:52] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: /etc
[01:52] <spanglesontoast> ty
[01:52] <Burgundavia> tahorg: not yet that I know of
[01:52] <Den-Dens> bds, Do you know what i have to change in this command line (it is the one i used to mount my primary partition) -> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[01:52] <Xappe> jobezone: maybe, but i didn't see any updates yesterday either...
[01:53] <agabus> could someone help me getting .WMV files working properly. i installed the w32codec pack, what more can i do?
[01:53] <paulproteus> agabus: Are you using totem-xine?
[01:53] <agabus> yes
[01:53] <Burgundavia> agabus: w32codecs are for totem-xine
[01:53] <spanglesontoast> rubbish ntfs....
[01:54] <jobezone> agabus: or you can use gxine from universe
[01:54] <Burgundavia> hmm
[01:54] <agabus> gxine? whats that
[01:54] <thoreauputic> agabus: gnome xine
[01:54] <trygvebw> My GNOME about box says 2.10.0, but my panel about box says 2.10.1
[01:54] <jobezone> it's a gnome frontend for xine, not as pretty as totem-xine
[01:54] <bds> Den-Dens, i dont know :-((
[01:54] <trygvebw> tahorg, no
[01:54] <Den-Dens> no problem thx anyway
[01:54] <thoreauputic> agabus: but stick with xine-ui or totem-xine
[01:54] <Xappe> trygvebw: yeah, you're right
[01:55] <kent> agabus, install totem-xine.  totem-xine can use those codecxs.
[01:55] <agabus> so how will i get my wmv files working?
[01:55] <kent> agabus, as said, install totem-xine or xine-ui and just play them.. it should work. it works for me using totem-xine.
[01:55] <agabus> yes i have totem-xine installed
[01:56] <daven> i need a new graphics card - a budget one.  which ones are easiest to setup under ubuntu?
[01:56] <daven> nvidia/ati?
[01:56] <kent> agabus, then start totem and play the movie. It should work, given that you installed the codecs correctly.
[01:56] <mjr> daven, well, radeon 9200 works out of the box with 3d accel (free drivers)
[01:56] <thoreauputic> daven: nvidia for preference
[01:56] <daven> hehe - doh!
[01:57] <mjr> (the newers don't, but since we're talking budget)
[01:57] <daven> i thought that might happen.
[01:57] <Burgundavia> nvidia
[01:57] <Tomcat_> Whoopsie.
[01:57] <mjr> nvidia certainly isn't the easiest to setup with acceleration, since it doesn't work out of the box :
[01:57] <daven> right.  i'm really not too worried about the performance - the dancing cow screensaver is very slow with this kro 3d prophet thing i've got currently
[01:58] <daven> i'd just like to improve the screensavers a bit
[01:58] <agabus> kent - mmm well they aren't working. i never seem to be able to get wmvs to work on linux... oh well
[01:58] <jnoreiko> setting up the nvidia drivers on warty was easy :)
[01:58] <jnoreiko> except there's no icon for them in the gnome menu :(
[01:58] <linux_galore> just wondering does a iPOD work with Ubuntu by default or does the user face allot of stuffing around
[01:58] <thoreauputic> daven: the speed of the bouncing cow is *crucial* ;-)
[01:58] <mjr> jnoreiko, "easy" is still worse than "no work at all" ;)
[01:58] <jnoreiko> true
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> think it just works
[01:58] <mjr> but, mind you, I always recommend the ones with free drivers ;)
[01:58] <kent> agabus, Can you send them to me, i can check if they work for me..
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> my gf is totally against using linux
[01:59] <spanglesontoast> shes a mac user
[01:59] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: get a new gf ;-)
[01:59] <mjr> but, if the bouncing cow screensaver is all one wants, radeon 92x0 might not be a bad choice anyway
[01:59] <Andzx> both ati and nvidia drivers it is easy to setup, for instance it took me few mintues to set up ATI on R9800Pro, downloaded two packages and changed "ATI" to "Frglx" in xorg.conf...it worked ;)
[01:59] <daven> ok cheers - it sounds like both of them aren't too bad, but the ati cards have free drivers
[01:59] <linux_galore> trying to find a distro for a buddy who has an iPOD tried mandrake no luck just wondering if Ubuntu has the iPOD headach licked
[01:59] <spanglesontoast> going to nick her mac disk in a mo
[01:59] <spanglesontoast> so I can emulate mac
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> soz but why pay atleast 1000 for a machine seems a bit silly
[02:00] <linux_galore> yeah some OSX user are very militant
[02:00] <jnoreiko> does anyone know if the mac live CD will read the OS X HD?
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> yea prob
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> depends if you mount it
[02:00] <linux_galore> spanglesontoast:  new iBook is only like $650
[02:01] <lek> eh hoary introduced sound not working/gnome not loading, but i got into fluxbox, warty didnt have this problem (clean install) too
[02:01] <mathmatt> If I have been using Hoary Release Candidate, and have been running all updates as they are available.  Is this the same as running today's official release?
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> she went for the latest mac
[02:01] <jdub> mathmatt: yes
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> and shes still loaded
[02:01] <netgrabber> If i select the glider thema and press CTRL+p on firefox or thunderbird the application crashes!
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> :)
[02:01] <GhostFreeman> do I need to reset GNOME/reboot after upgrading to Hoary?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> GhostFreeman: restart X yes, restart your computer no
[02:01] <paulproteus> GhostFreeman: You should at least log out and log back in.
[02:02] <sataere> netgrabber, That's the crash hotkey, didn't you know?
[02:02] <GhostFreeman> so restart GNOME? ok
[02:02] <linux_galore> spanglesontoast: G5 iMAC's have come down heaps new unit for around 800
[02:02] <netgrabber> sataere: you are funny
[02:02] <spanglesontoast> she wastes money too
[02:02] <sataere> netgrabber, so I am told
[02:03] <linux_galore> so no one has got an iPOD working by default with ubuntu yet ??
[02:03] <thoreauputic> sataere: I thought the crash hotkey was the Win key ;)
[02:03] <netgrabber> someone has this bug too?
[02:03] <spanglesontoast> I don't have one
[02:03] <spanglesontoast> and I'm sure the yellow dog guys made an os for the ipod
[02:03] <spanglesontoast> better than apples
[02:04] <sataere> thoreauputic, Nah that's the "do nothing and like it" button
[02:04] <smo_> linux_galore: mine auto-mounts just fine, plays fine in rhythmbox, and gtkpod usually works for transfers  (2nd-gen mini, usb)
[02:04] <thoreauputic> sataere: heh
[02:05] <linux_galore> smo_: did you have to reformat it from the default hfsplus fs
[02:05] <linux_galore> smo_: to fat 32
[02:05] <thoreauputic> sataere: to emulate windows properly, it should switch you to runlevel 6 ;)
[02:06] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: lol
[02:06] <xtat> happy hoary day :D
[02:06] <sataere> thoreauputic, nah, it should kill -9 the user who pressed it
[02:06] <jnoreiko> what's the easiest torrent client to install?
[02:06] <LinuxJones> hi everybody :)
[02:06] <spanglesontoast> azuerus
[02:06] <spanglesontoast> YAY!
[02:06] <Fator_Dee> jnoreiko: a client that's in the repos
[02:06] <Echylo> bittornado
[02:06] <spartas> sataere: the win key should killall init
[02:06] <sataere> thoreauputic, there's nothing that can't be solved by killing off the user, deleting their files and reporting their real earnings to the IRS
[02:07] <GhostFreeman> what do I do if I fail to fetch some packages
[02:07] <Fator_Dee> but azureus is quite easy to install too
[02:07] <thoreauputic> sataere: indeed :)
[02:07] <Echylo> you need java right?
[02:07] <Echylo> for azureus
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> yep
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> not hard
[02:07] <Burgundavia> jnoreiko: if you have hoary, you already have a bittorrent client
[02:07] <Fator_Dee> there are some mighty howtos for installing azureus, read them
[02:07] <gsuveg> nobody use squid + delay_ ?
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> depends what you connection is
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> mines a router
[02:08] <trygvebw> LinuxJones, hello
[02:08] <LinuxJones> There are no updates for Hoary that's a first :D
[02:08] <LinuxJones> trygvebw, hiya
[02:08] <GNAM> ueila'
[02:08] <LinuxJones> Hi thoreauputic
[02:08] <spanglesontoast> duh linuxjones if you already have it then you have it like some peeps saying to me
[02:08] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: hi there :)
[02:08] <spanglesontoast> I was waiting for - nothing........
[02:09] <GhostFreeman> Guys
[02:09] <LinuxJones> spanglesontoast, thaks for that
[02:09] <linux_galore> azureus "just worked" for me just downloaded the tatball unpacked it and created a ling to the desktop taskbar and that was it
[02:09] <spanglesontoast> lol
[02:09] <GhostFreeman> what if some packages fail to upload?
[02:09] <spartas> if i have no upgrades/dist-upgrades (and i just did apt-get update) does that mean i've been running the release version for the past 12 hours?
[02:09] <linux_galore> tarball*
[02:09] <spanglesontoast> yep you need java installed thou.
[02:09] <LinuxJones> spartas, the day isn't over yet but it looks that way :)
[02:09] <dcraven> Oh cool.. It's out already.
[02:10] <linux_galore> yeah I have jre 1.5 installed...........did that myself ...pretty easy
[02:10] <GhostFreeman> hey gus
[02:10] <spanglesontoast> I wish my subwoofer and center speakers worked
[02:10] <GhostFreeman> what if some packages fail to download? can I run update again at a later time
[02:11] <jacquesmerde> i'm torrenting ubuntu at 10KiB/s...how fast is that in common parlance?
[02:11] <GNAM> ubuntu has kernel 2.6.10 but there's already 2.6.11.7
[02:11] <trygvebw> LinuxJones: What do you mean?
[02:11] <linux_galore> jacquesmerde: slow
[02:11] <LinuxJones> GhostFreeman, yes when the packages are fixed
[02:11] <jacquesmerde> linux_galore, how slow?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> trygvebw, what ?
[02:11] <spanglesontoast> I downloaded it with firefox :D
[02:11] <trygvebw> LinuxJones, sorry :)
[02:11] <LinuxJones> :)
[02:11] <linux_galore> jacquesmerde: well I downloaded kubuntu live about a week ago and I was getting about 80k
[02:11] <spartas> LinuxJones: okay, thanks. I was just hoping.  I figured they finalized the repos at a point when they made the final version iso's, but who knows yet
[02:12] <GhostFreeman> LinuxJones: you mean some packages are taking the traffic hard?
[02:12] <LinuxJones> spartas, it probably is final right now there are full release .iso's on the website so I'm pretty sure everything is finalized :)
[02:12] <paulproteus> Heh.  Currently downloading all the ISOs at 3.4 megabytes per second.
[02:12] <paulproteus> Will be seeding them by bittorrent soon.
[02:12] <linux_galore> <- local ftp server gives him 230k
[02:13] <jnoreiko> bittorrent doesn't work
[02:13] <occy> w00p Hoary is out officially now?
[02:13] <paulproteus> occy: That's right.  See topic.
[02:13] <gsuveg> occy: yepp
[02:13] <occy> paulproteus: thought that's what that said ;)
[02:13] <trygvebw> occy: yes
[02:13] <thoreauputic> jnoreiko: that's a bit of a blanket statement :)
[02:13] <linux_galore> /think are we there yet
[02:14] <linux_galore> wrong client lol
[02:14] <LinuxJones> GhostFreeman, sometimes packages have dependency problems or are forgotten to be uploaded to the repository servers. When they are upgraded or dependencies fixed all you have to do is update the package list and upgrade as normal
[02:14] <linux_galore> .o0 ( are we there yet)
[02:14] <jacquesmerde> what speeds are other people getting for the i386 iso on torrents? i'm uploading at thrice the speed of my dlading
[02:14] <Burgundavia> jacquesmerde: I got 160K down
[02:14] <smo_> linux_galore: sorry, got caught by real life.  yes I reformatted to fat32
[02:15] <GhostFreeman> ok
[02:15] <linux_galore> smo_: yeah I cant see him doing that he's a techno dunce
[02:15] <jacquesmerde> whats 10KiB/s in Kb/s?
[02:15] <GhostFreeman> im getting 40k :(
[02:15] <brookiemonsta> jacquesmerde: I got 39k and am uploading at ~25k at the minute.
[02:15] <GhostFreeman> then again I never really bothered to add any mirrors >:)
[02:15] <Burgundavia> throttle your uploads
[02:15] <LinuxJones> jacquesmerde, divied the # of bits by 1024 and you hav ethe # of KB/s
[02:16] <LinuxJones> divide*
[02:16] <GhostFreeman> Once I get upgraded to hoary i'll download the x86 ISO and help
[02:16] <linux_galore> smo_: he complained his iPOD sound horrible on his car stereo and had no backlighting.....basically he hadnt turned the equaliser on and set it and the backlighting was disabled lol
[02:17] <louis_> hi
[02:17] <dcraven> gnome-btdownload seems to be a bit of a CPU piggy.
 jacquesmerde, divied the # of bits by 1024 and you hav ethe # of KB/s <= don't you mean by 1024 * 8?
[02:18] <linux_galore> dcraven: use azureus ....... hardly bother my machine
[02:18] <botbot> louis_, hello
[02:18] <jacquesmerde> LinuxJones, so i'm getting .001 Kb/s?? godDAMN!
[02:18] <linux_galore> lol
[02:20] <EvilIdler> Lowercase k = kilo, lowercase b = bit, uppercase = byte
[02:20] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:20] <LinuxJones> jacquesmerde, sorry wtf I just got out of bed :P
[02:20] <EvilIdler> That was for jacquesmerde
[02:20] <LinuxJones> jacquesmerde, what njan sid
[02:21] <phoenix_atlantis> Is anyone aware is BIND can be that much be missconfigured that it would be vulnarble to DNS Poisoning, except dyn updates for the root zone... ?
[02:21] <linux_galore> they should'nt use an upper case B really because upper case letters usually mean the term derives from a persons name
[02:21] <EvilIdler> Typing with one hand while stroking my new case with the other :P
[02:21] <linux_galore> ie Volts = V
[02:22] <EvilIdler> linux_galore: Err..uppercase means bytes, lowercase bits. It's not named after Mr. Byte of Essex, but we need a way to differ bits and bytes ;)
[02:22] <catalin> try to downlod something and every time apeears that  [14:41:27]  rejected by tracker - Port 6881 is blacklisted
[02:22] <EvilIdler> catalin: You must change your default port from 6881
[02:22] <catalin> why?
[02:22] <catalin> how do that?
[02:22] <EvilIdler> catalin: Many ISPs also block that
[02:22] <linux_galore> EvilIdler: Mr Byte of Essex....sounds like your pulling my leg
[02:22] <jnoreiko> does 8kb/s seem a reasonable speed for a torrent download -- on broadband?
[02:22] <EvilIdler> catalin: It depends on your client
[02:23] <EvilIdler> linux_galore: Maybe I am..
[02:23] <linux_galore> jnoreiko: pathetic
[02:23] <jnoreiko> thought so!
[02:23] <catalin> not understand
[02:23] <mvirkkil> jnoreiko: I got ~300KB/s
[02:23] <EvilIdler> kb, kB, KB? Which is it? ;)
[02:23] <jnoreiko> it's stopped now!
[02:24] <LinuxJones> EvilIdler, Kb/s = kilo-bytes per second afaik
[02:24] <linux_galore> I often BT stuff of .tw ftp server at around 180k (anime junky)
[02:24] <athlon> has anyone managed to install hoary using debootstrap + chroot ?
[02:24] <jnoreiko> what can I do to speed it up?
[02:24] <catalin> evilidler can u help a little?
[02:24] <JanneM> jnoreiko: I'm vacillating between 10Kb and 250Kb, likely depending on the availabilty of stuff close to me on the network
[02:24] <EvilIdler> LinuxJones: No, kB is ;)
[02:24] <Fator_Dee> jnoreiko: sacrifice a chicken
[02:24] <Andzx> I got ~1000kB/s from torrents :D
[02:24] <EvilIdler> catalin: What BT client are you using?
[02:25] <LinuxJones> EvilIdler, haha
[02:25] <EvilIdler> LinuxJones: Capital K = Kelvin
[02:25] <catalin> from ubuntu warty 4.10
[02:25] <EvilIdler> LinuxJones: Which I wish I could measure my CPU temperature with..
[02:25] <GNAM> gnome 2.10.1 in hoary!
[02:26] <wezzer-> yes!
[02:26] <LinuxJones> EvilIdler, is there a bittorrent stream up yet ?
[02:26] <phoenix_atlantis> LinuxJones, Your CPU runs at about 300K
[02:26] <kev0r> where can I check my current version?
[02:26] <botbot> kev0r: of what?
[02:26] <jnoreiko> 2.10? cool!
[02:26] <catalin> help me evilidler
[02:26] <EvilIdler> LinuxJones: For Hoary? Yep, dig deep enough on the homepage
[02:26] <Andzx> there is a gnome bittorrent client in 5.04 Ubuntu
[02:26] <LinuxJones> kev0r, cat /etc/issue
[02:26] <kev0r> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[02:26] <EvilIdler> catalin: Are you using Azureus to download?
[02:26] <catalin> help me evilidler
[02:26] <kev0r> so this is the latest? :P
[02:26] <catalin> no
[02:27] <LinuxJones> EvilIdler, I found one but it is dated yesterday not today
[02:27] <EvilIdler> LinuxJones: The sneaky gits probably made the image yesterday :)
[02:27] <LinuxJones> EvilIdler, I know but i wanna be sure :)
[02:28] <EvilIdler> LinuxJones: I haven't actually gotten any updated packages since yesterday, so I guess it was frozen then already
[02:28] <_TeRmInEt_> Hoary Hedgehog is up to date?
[02:29] <athlon> has anyone tried installing hoary from an existing linux distro ? (not debian based one)
[02:29] <LinuxJones> EvilIdler, yeah I just want to donate some bandwidth to the stream I am already running Hoary
[02:29] <GarySaved> I am downloading ubuntu using BitTorrent.  If I just leave it running after the download is complete, will it continue to help upload?
[02:29] <EvilIdler> athlon: That's an exceedingly bad idea
[02:29] <Fator_Dee> GarySaved: yes
[02:29] <netgrabber> GarySaved: yes
[02:29] <EvilIdler> garrut: Yep. If it's i386, please do so - I need it later :)
[02:30] <athlon> EvilIdler, well its described in the docs .. /doc/install/manual/en/apcs04.html in the install cd
[02:30] <GarySaved> Good.  I want to lighten the load some.
[02:30] <EvilIdler> LinuxJones: I've got about 20-25k/s upload later on
[02:30] <jordan> i installed hoary and Xserver doesn't work i am communicating from Irssi, any suggestions on how to get it back
[02:30] <athlon> except that it mentioned hoary script for debootstrap which doesnt exist...yet
[02:30] <vrln> congratulations on the release :)
[02:30] <EvilIdler> athlon: If you have a /home partition, keep that and wipe / and /usr
[02:31] <athlon> I think you misunderstand me, I am installing hoary to -another- partition
[02:31] <EvilIdler> athlon: Oh, so running dual distros?
[02:31] <paulproteus> athlon: Hopefully you have /home partition, then, so you can share your user data.
[02:31] <athlon> installing hoary by using chroot
[02:31] <EvilIdler> athlon: chroot is even more different, yes
[02:31] <GarySaved> Is BitTorrent a new program?  It seems to me to need several features.
[02:31] <EvilIdler> athlon: I've done that. Followed a guide on Alioth
[02:32] <athlon> installing hoary ?
[02:32] <jordan> GarySaved: like what features?
[02:32] <athlon> where can I find the debootstrap script for hoary ? cant seem to find it in deb server
[02:32] <EvilIdler> GarySaved: BT is fairly new, but still a couple of years since it started getting widespread popularity
[02:32] <EvilIdler> GarySaved: There are many different clients to look for, too..
[02:32] <GarySaved> THe ability to have two files loading at the same time.
[02:33] <jordan> GarySaved: Azereus
[02:33] <jordan> GarySaved: or Azeurus
[02:33] <EvilIdler> athlon: What I did last time I made a chroot, was to untar the base system off a deb CD. I presume Hoary has one tarball somewhere.
[02:33] <GarySaved> I am trying to stick with what ubuntu has as 'Official'
[02:33] <jordan> GarySaved: i can't spell...
[02:33] <GarySaved> Hehe ... THat is what Computers are for ...
[02:33] <EvilIdler> athlon: Then you have a minimal system, and can apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, then install packages
[02:34] <jordan> EvilIdler: are you good with gdm?
[02:34] <athlon> EvilIdler, hrm I guess I just have to look for that tarball :-)
[02:34] <EvilIdler> athlon: Dig around alioth.debian.org a little, and you might find a bit on how to run X apps under the chrooted system to your primary system's X
[02:34] <EvilIdler> jordan: Not really :(
[02:34] <jordan> EvilIdler: cause i have a real problem...
[02:34] <paulproteus> EvilIdler: I just ssh -X user@primary_system .
[02:34] <EvilIdler> athlon: It's probably something as simple as base-system.tgz
[02:35] <cikilin> tovarase
[02:35] <paulproteus> Rather, the other way around.
[02:35] <paulproteus> I run an SSHD on the chroot, and ssh -X there.
[02:35] <cikilin> unde esti ?
[02:35] <EvilIdler> jordan: I don't even remember how to add more options in the list anymore - been running the same desktop happily for so long :P
[02:35] <EvilIdler> jordan: What problem are you having?
[02:36] <GNAM> time to update Ubuntuguide
[02:36] <jordan> EvilIdler: ever since i installed hoary, X doesn't work. I am in terminal right now.
[02:36] <GNAM> i need updated info
[02:36] <EvilIdler> jordan: Check /var/log/ for an X.org log
[02:36] <wezzer> oh no
[02:36] <cikilin> fratioare
[02:37] <jordan> I opened it but can't read it, how can i get someone else to read it
[02:37] <cikilin> am uitat nickul
[02:37] <jordan> i can read it just dont understand it..
[02:37] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> how easy is getting nv drivers to work with ubuntu
[02:38] <wezzer-> there should be step-by-step instructions for that
[02:38] <EvilIdler> jordan: Paste it to pastebin.com
[02:38] <botbot> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, nvidia (official) or nv (non-3d) drivers?
[02:38] <wezzer-> are you using hoary or warty?
[02:38] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> nvidia
[02:38] <jordan> okay how do i run two programs at once in terminal?
[02:38] <botbot> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, Ubuntu Hoary or Warty?
[02:38] <ubuntoid> Anyone up on getting a palmpilot connected to Hoary?
[02:38] <botbot> jordan, start each program with "program &"
[02:38] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> Ubuntu Hoary
[02:38] <Fator_Dee> jordan: you have to use screen
[02:38] <cikilin> anyone romanian here?
[02:39] <Fator_Dee> or &
[02:39] <astro76> jordan: or, ctrl+z to pause the first process, bg %1 to background it, then run the new one (job control)
[02:39] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: Got pilot-tools installed? Or any Gnome/KDE pilot tools?
[02:39] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> bbl eat time
[02:39] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler:  It has gnome-pilot
[02:39] <jordan> botbot:how do i go back to the old one?
[02:39] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler:  Want to sync with Exchange
[02:40] <cikilin> where can i take azureus ?
[02:40] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: Well, I dunno about Exchange..
[02:40] <cikilin> site please
[02:40] <SirFunk> hmm.. is hoary development frozen or something?
[02:40] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler:  Sorry, not Exchange, Evolution
[02:40] <jordan> so for instance i would type "program & lynx"???
[02:41] <Zotnix> SirFunk, no, it's stable now.
[02:41] <SirFunk> hmm..
[02:41] <trygvebw> SirFunk: Hoary is stable.
[02:41] <trygvebw> SirFunk: Hoary is released.
[02:41] <SirFunk> there has been no updates for like 2 days :-P
[02:41] <Zotnix> Can't want for Breezy. :D
[02:41] <EvilIdler> jordan: Can you just see if your X log has any obvious messages saying "Error"?
[02:41] <athlon> cikilin, if you had googled it, you'd know that its in : http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[02:41] <cikilin> xirdneh
[02:41] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: Does gnome-pilot have a config menu?
[02:41] <cikilin> xirdneh
[02:41] <jordan> EvilIdler: i will look and report what i see back
[02:41] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: Right-clicking the applet should bring something up, if you see the applet..
[02:42] <cikilin> xirdneh:
[02:42] <trygvebw> SirFunk: There was a few updates yesterday, afaik, but it has been frozen for some time.
[02:42] <SirFunk> hmmm
[02:42] <EvilIdler> jordan: And what graphics card do you use?
[02:42] <jordan> after i pause and background this program, how do i get it back?
[02:42] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler:  It asks some basic questions, but will not connect to pilot, as it seems to expect it on /dev/pilot (which I do not have)
[02:42] <jordan> EvilIdler: ati
[02:42] <jordan> EvilIdler: 9700 pro all in winder
[02:43] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler:  It does say I can adjust settings in Gnome Control Center (which I don't see specifically)
[02:43] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: Link the serial device to /dev/pilot
[02:43] <cikilin> 10x athlon
[02:43] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler:  It's usb
[02:43] <EvilIdler> jordan: I think you need the fglrx drivers, or something
[02:43] <Xappe> hmm, how do I get the latest gnomebaker (that should be 0.3.1)? I saw on the forums that it supports bin/cue images so I really want it, but the suggested repos are down...
[02:43] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: Ah, that one is different, then..
[02:43] <jordan> i installed them
[02:44] <cikilin> athlon witch azureus is for ubuntu?
[02:44] <SirFunk> so what's the new development release called now that hoary is gone?
[02:44] <SirFunk> err is released
[02:44] <trygvebw> SirFunk: Breezy Badger
[02:44] <wezzer> hehe
[02:44] <wezzer> who makes those names up? :)
[02:44] <SirFunk> haha
[02:45] <SirFunk> so if i just switch my apt sources to breezy i'll get -dev
[02:45] <SirFunk> ?
[02:45] <cikilin> athlon there are 10
[02:45] <trygvebw> SirFunk: You mean what?
[02:45] <trygvebw> SirFunk: ahh
[02:45] <athlon> cikilin, its a java program so you only need the jar file, but if you might want the Linux GTK one
[02:45] <trygvebw> SirFunk: Well, breezy isn't uploaded yet, so you'll get a broken repository.
[02:46] <hksdu> Question regarding sudo.  If I am just a normal user, I sudo the sudoers file and modify my permission, can I do that? or this file has to be modified by admin?
[02:46] <SirFunk> ahh
[02:46] <JeffWl> hi all, gaim 1.2.1 is not in hoary release?
[02:46] <SirFunk> bah, i wish hoary64 had mono
[02:46] <trygvebw> hksdu: There is no admin, so just sudo it and edit.
[02:46] <trygvebw> SirFunk: sudo apt-get install mono ?
[02:46] <SirFunk> trygvebw: no package
[02:46] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: USB Palm should have a kernel module, I guess
[02:46] <hksdu> trygvebw: but I heard that you can sudo root and change the password so you can use su instead of sudo? or something like that?
[02:46] <mjr> hmm, that reminds me, does the gtk azureus version work with free java implementations?
[02:46] <trygvebw> SirFunk: You have added extra sources, right?
[02:47] <SirFunk> trygvebw: right
[02:47] <thoreauputic> hksdu: the sudo user isn't a normal user - he/she has to be in the admin group
[02:47] <trygvebw> hksdu: Yes, just run "sudo passwd root"
[02:47] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler:  It loads the visor module correctly, and puts the device on ttyUSB0
[02:47] <SirFunk> i don't think the Hoary64 package for mono has been built
[02:47] <trygvebw> hm :|
[02:47] <jacquesmerde> why cant i find ubuntu in /ibiblio/distributions/ ?
[02:47] <hksdu> thoreauputic: so normal user group cannot sudo?
[02:47] <mjr> apparently not
[02:47] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: Try "ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/pilot"?
[02:47] <hksdu> trygvebw: sudo passwd root is the command?
[02:47] <trygvebw> hksdu: Yes, it can, but you have to be added to the /etc/sudoers file.
[02:47] <Louise_T> Hi all
[02:48] <thoreauputic> hksdu: the user has to be added to the sudoers file
[02:48] <trygvebw> hksdu: To create a root user, yes.
[02:48] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: I'm hoping that it acts like a serial link, anyway :)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> hksdu: else it would be a massive security hole
[02:48] <trygvebw> SirFunk, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&t=22501
[02:48] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler: I don't have any /dev/ttyUSB* on the system, not sure where it is sticking it
[02:48] <Louise_T> Sorry guys but I am a newbie and would like some help in setting up samba on FC1
[02:48] <tony> anyone got ubuntu running on a sata drive?
[02:48] <trygvebw> tony, of course, yes!
[02:48] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: http://www.pilot-link.org/README.usb
[02:49] <trygvebw> thoreauputic, ALL users can sudo if they are added to /etc/sudoers.
[02:49] <thoreauputic> Louise_T: why would you ask here? why not in #fedora?
[02:49] <trygvebw> thoreauputic, they sudo, and are asked their user password...
[02:49] <tony> i always get a message saying it cannot find pivot_root whenever i try to boot
[02:49] <cikilin> hey
[02:49] <hksdu> trygvebw: So let me make it clear, sudoers file can be accessed by the admin group ONLY, but you can add any group of users as sudo users, am I correct?
[02:49] <SirFunk> trygvebw: AHH, thanks
[02:49] <Louise_T> Someone gave me this room and said to ask
[02:49] <cikilin> they send me to a mirror to take azureus
[02:49] <Louise_T> I am sorry for the hasstle I will now go and batter them
[02:49] <thoreauputic> trygvebw: what you say is right, and doesn't contradict what I said
[02:49] <turf> can any one help me with iptables?
[02:49] <trygvebw> hksdu, no, when you are sudo'ing you have ALL admin rights!
[02:50] <cikilin> they send me to a mirror to take azureus
[02:50] <trygvebw> thoreauputic, OK :)
[02:50] <Louise_T> Could any of you tell me where I would find a fedora room please?
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> erm
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> it's #Fedora
[02:50] <tony> trygvebw: which devicename should i use for the first sata hd?
[02:50] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> lol
[02:50] <hksdu> trygvebw: I am confused.  You mean if I add a user to allow him/her to use sudo, he/she becomes superuser?
[02:51] <EvilIdler> spanglesontoast: IRC is case-insensitive
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> I don't use it anymore :D
[02:51] <thoreauputic> trygvebw: the initial user is in adm, so can edit sudoers - others can be added ad lib
[02:51] <turf> tony; i think sata i sda
[02:51] <Louise_T> K thanks
[02:51] <trygvebw> hksdu, no, only if you use the "sudo" command.
[02:51] <trygvebw> thoreauputic, yes, of course :)
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> fedora 1 is old
[02:52] <thoreauputic> hksdu: you can restrict the commands/actions of each sudo user if you wish
[02:53] <hksdu> trygvebw: o....the sudoers is a file for making speicfic user or group for specific command/folder/file access only.  So if I don't modify the access of sodoers file, only admin has access to sudoers.
[02:53] <jordan_> EvilIdler: there are no errors in my Xorg.0.log
[02:53] <trygvebw> hksdu, the sudoers file is for making a user able to sudo!
[02:53] <_d4vid> hi all
[02:53] <thoreauputic> hksdu: that was essentially my point above
[02:53] <cikilin> help
[02:54] <EvilIdler> jordan: What driver is your config set to? /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:54] <hksdu> thoreauputic: So if I modify the line of the permission of sudoers, granted it to everybody, then everybody can access and modify the sudoers file
[02:54] <jordan_> And I now have a bunch of programs running in the background that i cant access :)
[02:54] <trygvebw> hksdu: Yes.
[02:54] <hksdu> thoreauputic: I am sorry, I am very dumb
[02:54] <EvilIdler> jordan_: Kill them. pkill them all, and let init sort them out.
[02:54] <hksdu> trygvebw: thank you very much, as well as thoreauputic :)
[02:54] <cikilin> i want to download azureus and they give a mirror
[02:54] <jordan_> EvilIdler: how do i return to a program i paused
[02:54] <thoreauputic> hksdu: you can specify the powers you aas admin allow for the use of sudo
[02:54] <cikilin> and then i am going to a site
[02:54] <astro76> jordan: jobs will list them, fg %jobnumber to bring them to the foreground
[02:54] <trygvebw> hksdu, :)
[02:55] <jordan_> astro76: thank you
[02:55] <astro76> jordan: fg and bg also work with PID numbers
[02:55] <astro76> np
[02:55] <jordan_> EvilIdler: thank you too, i will check the driver and be right back
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> what's the difference between eth0 and lo?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> lo is the loopback interface (local)
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> what's best?
[02:57] <ac-id> hey is it possible to dist-upgrade from ubuntu warty to kubuntu hoary?
[02:57] <ac-id> jk!
[02:57] <Bandit> anyone know about the install problem with the iso?
[02:57] <ac-id> hehe
[02:57] <ac-id> Bandit, which one?
[02:57] <ac-id> mine died on kernel-header installation
[02:58] <EvilIdler> ubuntoid: Any luck?
[02:58] <apokryphos> ac-id: erm...
[02:58] <ac-id> and then again on apt-setup
[02:58] <cikilin> can anybody help me please
[02:58] <mdke> does anyone know offhand if there is a way to get evolution to show ALL emails in a particular folder, rather than having multiple pages?
[02:58] <Bandit> it stalls at testing network repository
[02:58] <Zotnix> Congrats to the Ubuntu developers though. You guys rock. Take a break and have some champaigne :p
[02:58] <ac-id> Bandit, yep
[02:59] <ac-id> i dropped to a shell and cancelled that and carried on with the installation
[02:59] <ac-id> :/
[02:59] <Bandit> and the fix is?
[02:59] <tony> i can't access my ubuntu with a sata drive. please help!
[02:59] <cikilin> can anybody help me please
[02:59] <trygvebw> tony: Which SATA drive is it?
[02:59] <trygvebw> cikilin: What's your problem?
[03:01] <tony> trygvebw: its a samsung, controlled by a via chip
[03:02] <trygvebw> tony: hm...
[03:02] <tony> I don't seem to be able to mount it as root
[03:02] <Bandit> it appears the fix is you just wait a little longer then normal :) seems ok now
[03:03] <tony> i get an error saying 'pivot_root not found' something like that
[03:03] <trygvebw> what command are you using to mount it?
[03:03] <jordan> EvilIdler: i have an "ATI Graphics Adapter"
[03:04] <agabus> could someone please PM me and give me a quick how-to on mounting my secondary fat32 HDD please
[03:04] <tony> trygvebw: well, my kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro. It mounts OK on knoppix.
[03:04] <EvilIdler> jordan: What driver does it say? "Driver" "whatever" part
[03:04] <trygvebw> hm...
[03:04] <jordan> EvilIdler: lets see
[03:04] <keffo> if i have this (install)-file.. a .run file, and I need files from that.. how do i do? if i run this install it screws up alots of things
[03:04] <keffo> how do i easilly just extract the stuffs insde?
[03:05] <jordan> EvilIdler: "vga" :D
[03:05] <tony> trygvebw: exact error is the following: "pivot_root: No such file or directory\n/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file\nKernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[03:06] <EvilIdler> jordan: That one should work on *anything*
[03:06] <jordan> EvilIdler: odd huh
[03:06] <EvilIdler> jordan: Check the Monitor section, and compare that to your monitor manual. It's often there the problems begin ;)
[03:06] <EvilIdler> jordan: The scanrates might be a bit off
[03:07] <jordan> EvilIdler: my monitor worked before though...
[03:07] <mvirkkil> The Hoary Hedgehog article on slashdot is available to subscibers.
[03:07] <jordan> EvilIdler: what was the name of that configuration utility for X?
[03:08] <EvilIdler> jordan: The console utility should be xf86config; you might have to apt-get it
[03:08] <vessuvius> If I run "software updates" will it only install ubuntu working packages?  I've added other resources to apt... not sure if the two interact.
[03:08] <jordan> EvilIdler: will it work since i am using xorg now?
[03:09] <francisco_rch> hola
[03:09] <dob> hi
[03:09] <Funraiser> how can i upgrade to hoary directly form warty? i mean with apt-get...?
[03:09] <EvilIdler> jordan: That I dunno for sure, actually :/
[03:09] <ntoskrnl> hi
[03:09] <BlackLabel> how do i mount a windows ntfs partition?
[03:09] <dob> installing ubuntu : it will use lilo or grub as default boot loader ?
[03:09] <vessuvius> grub
[03:09] <ubuntoid> EvilIdler:  Got it, thanks
[03:09] <keffo> if i have this (install)-file.. a .run file, and I need files from that.. how do i do? if i run this install it screws up alots of things
[03:09] <keffo> how do i easilly just extract the stuffs insde?
[03:09] <HavoK> dob: grub
[03:09] <francisco_rch> spanish?
[03:09] <ntoskrnl> guys what is the requirements for ubuntu distro ?
[03:10] <mathmatt_> FYI the release story is coming out on slashdot as we speak.
[03:10] <HavoK> keffo: IIRC there is an option that does what you want, try --help
[03:10] <ntoskrnl> hello?
[03:10] <HavoK> someone can help me with xorg/radeon7000/kernel2.6.7?
[03:10] <HavoK> ntoskrnl: hmmm well
[03:10] <dob> ok, and there is a list of software in ubuntu?
[03:11] <_TeRmInEt_> anypeople know kismet?
[03:11] <xamdm> HavoK, 2.6.7 ??
[03:11] <Funraiser> ntoskrnl, i'm running it on a pentium 3 , 1 giga and it works fine, but i have 640 MO memory
[03:11] <Funraiser> how can i upgrade to hoary directly form warty? i mean with apt-get...?
[03:11] <vessuvius> I'm running it on a PIII 550, 256MB RAM
[03:11] <ntoskrnl> i have an old AMD-K6 200 MHz
[03:11] <keffo> HavoK, how? i mean.. only way to "run" this is to typ ./file.run
[03:11] <vessuvius> works smashingly
[03:12] <Fator_Dee> Funraiser: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[03:12] <keffo> im supposed to type --help after that.. well, "ok"
[03:12] <Funraiser> hey thanks Fator_Dee
[03:12] <HavoK> keffo: ?
[03:12] <Fator_Dee> Funraiser: just be sure that you change every repository from warty to hoary
[03:12] <BlackLabel> how do i mount a windows ntfs partition?
[03:13] <HavoK> xamdm: I'm using kernel 2.6.7 'cause 2.6.10 and newers break my adsl-modem's driver
[03:13] <xamdm> BlackLabel, mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /xxxx
[03:13] <xamdm> HavoK, oh
[03:13] <keffo> HavoK, i was wondering how i could open this file..
[03:13] <spanglesontoast> anybody know much about sound?
[03:13] <BlackLabel> ok thanks
[03:13] <Funraiser> hmm...sorry about that
[03:13] <HavoK> keffo: hmm no idea.. sorry
[03:13] <CheeseBall> does anyone know of a ghost type program that i can use to backup my linux distro after install
[03:13] <xamdm> BlackLabel, as root
[03:13] <CheeseBall> or even a command
[03:13] <Funraiser> OMG what's going on
[03:14] <[g2] > I've searched the ubuntulinux.org wiki but I'm looking for information about ubuntu server, anyone have a good url ?
[03:14] <BlackLabel> xamdm: what about to /etc/fstab?
[03:14] <CheeseBall> sry, dont know
[03:14] <Funraiser> Fator_Dee, can i change the repos now?
[03:14] <vessuvius> they're the same thing
[03:14] <Fator_Dee> Funraiser: why not?
[03:14] <Funraiser> i dunno
[03:14] <astro76> CheeseBall: partimage, take a look at http://www.sysresccd.org/
[03:14] <Funraiser> all right then
[03:14] <Funraiser> :-)
[03:15] <xamdm> BlackLabel, /dev/xxx     /mnt/xxxx    ntfs user,exec       0       0
[03:15] <CheeseBall> thanks
[03:15] <ntoskrnl> i'm looking for the recomended requirements for ubuntu linux or the minimal , please someone help me
[03:15] <xamdm> BlackLabel, ntfs is readonly !!!
[03:15] <BlackLabel> what does user,exec mean?
[03:15] <BlackLabel> yep
[03:16] <ptlo> BlackLabel: 'user' -> non-root users can mount/unmount it, 'exec' -> you may execute executable files on it
[03:16] <BlackLabel> ok thanks
[03:16] <_TeRmInEt_> anypeople know kismet?
[03:17] <xMaximex> ntfscanbemountedasread/write
[03:17] <jesper> ptlo: Why would you like to be able to execute files from a ntfs filesystem?
[03:17] <Funraiser> Fator_Dee, thanks
[03:17] <xMaximex> damn,my,space,bar,doesn't,work,anymore....
[03:17] <francisco_rch> alguien sabe como conseguir driver para modem usb?
[03:17] <BlackLabel> should i mount to /mnt/windows or /media/windows
[03:17] <xMaximex> mnt/windows
[03:17] <ntoskrnl> god damn you
[03:17] <francisco_rch> para ubntu 5
[03:17] <calc> BlackLabel: /media is better with new fhs
[03:18] <ntoskrnl> i'm asking , can't you see?
[03:18] <calc> BlackLabel: /mnt is reserved for admin use, so you can use that however you want
[03:18] <BlackLabel> ok
[03:18] <ptlo> jesper: no idea. i was just explaining the mount option. that said, one may have wine or mono setup which can make use of it
[03:19] <ntoskrnl> calc: what is the minimal/recommended requirements for ubuntu linux ?
[03:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> on default install dose ubuntu give you root ?
[03:20] <Goshawk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, no
[03:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> bah'
[03:20] <Goshawk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, root is inibited
[03:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> so i ahve to configure it for root
[03:21] <Goshawk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, read faqs
[03:21] <ntoskrnl> i'm gonna kill myself
[03:21] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> hey just asking
[03:21] <ntoskrnl> god damn it
[03:21] <Goshawk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, it's not the right way
[03:21] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> thinking on changing to ot
[03:21] <jordan> Can anyone help me with Xorg and gdm???
[03:21] <Goshawk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, if you enable root a security hole is opened
[03:21] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> not the right way ?
[03:21] <Goshawk> if you use sudo
[03:21] <Goshawk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, sudo - s
[03:21] <calc> ntoskrnl: not sure, you need around 1.8GB hd space to do an install though
[03:21] <Goshawk> and you have a root shell
[03:22] <calc> ntoskrnl: i would recommend 256mb ram minimum
[03:22] <ntoskrnl> 1.8 GB !!!!!!!
[03:22] <ntoskrnl> !!!! whaaaaat
[03:22] <calc> ntoskrnl: huh?
[03:22] <Goshawk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, use sudo instead: sudo "command"
[03:22] <acidspoon> Hi @ll
[03:22] <calc> ntoskrnl: you can do a partial install using expert mode if the system has very little space
[03:23] <calc> ntoskrnl: you may be able to get by with as little as 100-200MB
[03:23] <Goshawk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, sudo is better because each command is logged, and if the system breaks you will know who and what broke your system
[03:23] <ntoskrnl> calc : my laptop is about AMD-K6 200 MHz , 88 MB ram , 4 GB , 4 to 8 MB Video RAM
[03:23] <saw27> CheeseBall: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/saw27/notes/backup-hard-disk-partitions.html might also be useful to you if you don't like partimage
[03:23] <jordan> ntoskrnl: you need vector linux
[03:23] <calc> ntoskrnl: yea you might want to do an expert install on that box then
[03:23] <hksdu> ntoskrnl: how can you find this kind of laptop? second hand? how much?
[03:23] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, running "sudo passwd" will set a root password if you so choose, and removing your current sudo empowered user from the "admin" group will disable sudo for it.
[03:23] <calc> ntoskrnl: probably don't want to be running gnome on it either
[03:23] <ntoskrnl> yeah i can do it
[03:24] <ntoskrnl> maybe xfce is better
[03:24] <hno73> Heads up :)  http://www.theopencd.net/ubu/Slashdot.jpg
[03:24] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> diff but ok  want to try kubuntu
[03:24] <dcraven> I don't think saying "it's not the right way" is a good way to approach the problem maybe :)
[03:24] <jordan> can anybody help me trouble shoot some xserver problems?
[03:24] <hksdu> damn, I still remember my lovely desktop using AMD k6-166MMX and overclocked to 200Mhz to play diablo 2....hahahaha
[03:25] <mcdonaldswes> you could also run "sudo -s" to get a root shell
[03:25] <mcdonaldswes> rather than setting a root password
[03:25] <dcraven> mcdonaldswes, also true.
[03:25] <dcraven> mcdonaldswes, that's the method I use.
[03:25] <jesper> ntoskrnl: drop by Copenhagen, I have a K6-2 450mhz. you can get for picking it up.
[03:25] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> this distro is diff might need the live cd first to see if i like it
[03:26] <jordan> jesper: Copenhagen, your making me want a dip
[03:26] <ubuntoid> JuNkPhreak|UnIx:  That's what I did
[03:26] <Funraiser> to upgrade form warty to hoarty via synaptic, do i have to choose the default upgrade or the smart upgrade? (not specified in the wiki) in
[03:26] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, the sudo thing is the only drastic change that I can think of honestly that may be thought of as negative.
[03:26] <MrParker> I likes this distro
[03:26] <hksdu> jesper: where is that?
[03:26] <mcdonaldswes> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, definitely try the livecd... it's all pretty slick
[03:26] <roo_> how can i start a program (daemon) on startup?
[03:26] <smo_> I have a p200 ... still used day to day (to stop that door swinging shut)
[03:26] <jesper> hksdu: Denmark, Europe
[03:26] <jordan> hksdu: denmark
[03:27] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ive been a linux usdr for past 5 years  and mostly tried about every distro , the one i come back to is mandrake
[03:27] <jordan> smo_: although inefficient probably, at least you saved a couple of bucks on a doorstop
[03:27] <roo_> in gentoo you can add a line to local.start for example.
[03:27] <hksdu> jesper: put it aside, wait until I get enough money for a travel to europe and I will pick it up there...wait for me...
[03:27] <roo_> but what about Ubuntu? :/
[03:27] <MrParker> </3 mandrake
[03:27] <roo_> ^ lol
[03:27] <MrParker> I tried mandrake 10.1
[03:27] <MrParker> and tried to install azureus
[03:27] <ubuntoid> Not Mandrake anymore :)
[03:27] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i run it now
[03:27] <darGor> a friend is commenting here next to me: "ubuntu no have possibility to select packets you want to install, it install all in a block like knoppix" That's Really? because in my debian i can select.
[03:27] <MrParker> it said I didnt have java
[03:28] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well the new name'
[03:28] <MrParker> so I went and got a package for java
[03:28] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> to me its mandrake
[03:28] <jesper> hksdu: may I trash it if I can reserve something better ?:-)
[03:28] <ubuntoid> Yeah, me too... not fond of the new name
[03:28] <MrParker> and it said java was already installed
[03:28] <MrParker> where is this logic?
[03:28] <vessuvius> You can just choose "server" darGor
[03:28] <Funraiser> please...to upgrade form warty to hoarty via synaptic, do i have to choose the default upgrade or the smart upgrade? (not specified in the wiki) in
[03:28] <Funraiser> ?
[03:28] <kent> roo_, there is a default way to work with the init-scripts in ubuntu/debian. I think you can figure it out by your self if you read about it.
[03:28] <vessuvius> but you don't have as fine-grained of an install, no.
[03:28] <mcdonaldswes> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, Ubuntu is definitely worth a try... I went from FreeBSD->Gentoo->(superficially Slackware, Yoper, CentOS)->Debian->Ubuntu, and this will be my last stop for a long time I think
[03:28] <Fator_Dee> Funraiser: I'd say smart
[03:29] <MrParker> I like gentoo
[03:29] <Funraiser> let's try smart then
[03:29] <roo_> kent, thanks, i justed want to make sure there was no other way (gentoo uses a mix of init scripts and /etc/local.{start|stop})
[03:29] <calc> darGor: once it has installed the basic system (desktop/server) you can install other packages as well
[03:29] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> how do you update nvidia drivers in ubuntu
[03:29] <calc> darGor: the basic desktop install is around 1.8GB
[03:29] <hksdu> jesper: .....I haven't used any INTEL CPU before and the first CPU I used was IBM 286, then IBM or AMD 486 I don't remember, after that I got my AMDK6-166, Duron 600(sister), Athlon 700(sister), AthlonXP 2100+ and laptop AthlonXP-M 2400+
[03:29] <mcdonaldswes> MrParker, gentoo was good up until the point I started installing it on large numbers of computers
[03:29] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> like i run the BFG 6800 GT
[03:30] <mcdonaldswes> MrParker, at the time, I didn't know of an easy way of doing that
[03:30] <mcdonaldswes> MrParker, also, I think that customized optimizations are overrated :)
[03:30] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> and want to get 3d accell working whats the easyest way  after install
[03:30] <MrParker> mcdonaldswes hehe :) I just liked it cause I'm a newbie and I learned a fair amount just installing it
[03:30] <dcraven> mcdonaldswes, definately overrated.
[03:30] <cikilin> how i install azureus?
[03:30] <cikilin> please?
[03:30] <mcdonaldswes> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, there's an nvidia restricted kernel package
[03:30] <cikilin> on warty 4.10
[03:31] <mcdonaldswes> never used it since I don't have an nvidia card though
[03:31] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ive dled both ubuntu and kubuntu
[03:31] <apokryphos> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: why?
[03:31] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> oh ok this is deb core ?
[03:31] <mcdonaldswes> MrParker, definitely... I learned the most about Linux from using Gentoo
[03:31] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well didnt see kunutu
[03:31] <cikilin> because on the site is:Applications -> System Tools -> Menu Editor but menu editor i dont have
[03:31] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> till it was to late
[03:31] <apokryphos> :)
[03:32] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, yes. Ubuntu is Debian based.
[03:32] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ok
[03:32] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ty
[03:32] <MrParker> mcdonaldswes, this was 3 days ago for me, I still havent learned much since, but I have most of what I want/need going on here now so I'm content, for the time being
[03:32] <mcdonaldswes> If you already have Ubuntu installed, how do you switch to Kubuntu?
[03:32] <robin> hi
[03:32] <MrParker> mcdonaldswes. though soon I imagine I'll start 'learning' about linux, which will lead to much breaking.
[03:32] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> the .deb is what  it will dl  like apt-get
[03:32] <cikilin> help
[03:33] <robin> is there an alternative for kivio for the gnome desktop ?
[03:33] <cikilin> help
[03:33] <mcdonaldswes> MrParker, haha, I've found that you don't learn anything until it breaks and you have to fix it
[03:33] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> help help me ronda!
[03:33] <Beineri> mcdonaldswes: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[03:33] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, I don't understand if that was a question.
[03:33] <wezzer> I love hoary!
[03:33] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ok your package manager
[03:33] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, Ubuntu uses apt-get.
[03:33] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> is it apt-get
[03:33] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ok
[03:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ty
[03:34] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, yes :)
[03:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> kewl loved deb
[03:34] <robin> is there an alternative for kivio for the gnome desktop ?
[03:34] <cikilin> help
[03:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> just hated the install
[03:34] <mcdonaldswes> beineri, ah I see, thanks
[03:34] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, if you like Debian, you'll like Ubuntu no doubt.
[03:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> it just works
[03:34] <Beineri> mcdonaldswes: or in short "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> would love mac more but still not enough software :}
[03:34] <mcdonaldswes> beineri: I figured it was something like that
[03:34] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ if you are interested.
[03:35] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> any of you play games like ET ?
[03:35] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> enemy territory
[03:35] <Fator_Dee> agh, it's now on slashdot :-\
[03:35] <Fator_Dee> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: o/
[03:35] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, I do.
[03:35] <spity> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: sure
[03:35] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> junkphreak.com
[03:36] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> we run multi servers please come and play would like more linux users there }
[03:36] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> not a ad
[03:36] <jordan> how do you select text and copy and paste without X
[03:36] <robin> is there an alternative for kivio for the gnome desktop ?
[03:36] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i also  turned up true combat for ET mod
[03:36] <mcdonaldswes> jordan: highlight it with the mouse, then middle click to paste
[03:36] <dcraven> Holy flash and media websites Batman!
[03:37] <mcdonaldswes> jordan: oh sorry, without X...
[03:37] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> lol sorry dcraven
[03:37] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> im not the webmaster
[03:37] <dcraven> Jebus.
[03:37] <mcdonaldswes> jordan: not sure how from command line, but I know how from emacs
[03:37] <smo_> jordan: lookup gpm.  It's not installed by default, but will give you mouse /w copy/paste on the console.
[03:37] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i ownh
[03:37] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> own the site and run the servers
[03:38] <turkey_joe> can i change synaptic so i can download from the debian servers?
[03:38] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, I suggest a.. uhmm.. not so loud alternative as well? haha
[03:38] <dcraven> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, nice website though :)
[03:39] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> wqell trying to get my web  guy to tone the ext modules down i bit :}
[03:39] <hayden> i just mounted 2 ntfs partitions but when i try to access them it says: could not enter /media/windows
[03:39] <jordan> smo_: i dont have it can i apt-get install gpm ??
[03:39] <dcraven> turkey_joe, as in Debian packages?
[03:39] <jesper> hayden: mounted as root?
[03:39] <turkey_joe> yeal
[03:39] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> so this distro will accept .deb packages ?
[03:39] <ericf> does anyone else running hoary have zombie-processes running? (run 'top' in a terminal and see upper right)
[03:40] <smo_> jordan: yup .. last time I used it it took a small amount of trickery to get it working at the same time as X nicely
[03:40] <dcraven> turkey_joe, JuNkPhreak|UnIx, to some extent, but I suggest minimizing that practice.
[03:40] <tritium> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, yes, that's the package format ubuntu uses.
[03:40] <hayden> i added them to /etc/fstab
[03:40] <dcraven> turkey_joe, JuNkPhreak|UnIx, same package format, but different packages to a large extent.
[03:40] <Ex-Cyber> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: any distro with dpkg will accept .deb packages, but that doesn't mean that every .deb file you throw at it will install flawlessly
[03:40] <linux_galore> anyone got the bt addy for 5.04
[03:40] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> right
[03:40] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> like mandriva
[03:41] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i use src.rpms
[03:41] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> mdk
[03:41] <speel> ... slashdot just killed the download servers
[03:41] <linux_galore> yep just saw it happen too lol
[03:41] <Neil3> owwwww i just stepped on a pin with bare feet
[03:41] <linux_galore> thats why Im swapping to BT
[03:41] <Neil3> owwwww
[03:41] <hayden> jesper: i added them to /etc/fstab
[03:42] <dcraven> Crap.. I knew I should have saved the torrent URL..
[03:42] <Ex-Cyber> Ubuntu is pulled from Debian unstable, so there is a fair degree of compatibility with packages intended for Debian testing/unstable, but it is not 100% because the pools are updated independently
[03:42] <jesper> hayden: with the "user" option ?
[03:42] <speel> my download was going a steady 300kbps now its down to 54 lol
[03:43] <hayden> jesper: /dev/hda1       /media/windows_c        ntfs user,exec  0       0
[03:43] <turkey_joe> are there any other repositiories that are better than the default?
[03:43] <mvirkkil> speel: It's posted on slashdot.
[03:43] <dcraven> http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent
[03:43] <turkey_joe> providing debian have different packages.
[03:44] <dcraven> that's for x86.
[03:44] <osity> anyone setup mirroring on Ubuntu before?
[03:44] <jesper> hayden: then mount /media/windows_c as user.
[03:45] <speel> yea lol thats what i said slashdot just killed the download servers
[03:45] <apokryphos> speel: go for the torrents. There's 260 seeders at the mo
[03:46] <BazziError> time for some seeding :o
[03:46] <maswan> speel: I haven't noticed slashdot, we've been pinned since the release announcement pretty much. :)
[03:46] <wezzer> hey guys
[03:46] <wezzer> just installed hoary
[03:46] <maswan> speel: http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[03:46] <wezzer> but rhytmbox says "segmentation faul" everytime I try to play mp3-file
[03:47] <Bazzi> oh, torrent already has supercow speeds.
[03:47] <ericf> wezzer: run 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad'
[03:47] <mcdonaldswes> wezzer, with warty you had to install something to get mp3's to play
[03:47] <mcdonaldswes> wezzer: yeah, gstreamer was it...
[03:47] <ericf> wezzer: If that does not succeed, check ubuntuguide.org for how to add repositories, and then try again.
[03:47] <wezzer> gstreamer-which?
[03:47] <hayden> jesper: what do u mean
[03:48] <ericf> wezzer: run 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad'
[03:48] <apokryphos> wezzer: the one mcdonaldswes mentioned
[03:48] <hayden> jesper: do i swap user in fstab with my user name
[03:48] <exalted> How to visualize ms fonts?
[03:48] <wezzer> ericf: thanks
[03:48] <wezzer> gstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version.
[03:49] <wezzer> and still that error occurs
[03:49] <no0tic> exalted: install msttfcorefonts
[03:50] <exalted> no0tic, there's no package called similar to that
[03:50] <crypticreign[w] > how do i check what driver ubuntu is using for my wifi pci card?
[03:50] <exalted> crypticreign[w] , iwconfig is your tools man it
[03:51] <no0tic> exalted: have you multiverse repository activated?
[03:51] <exalted> no0tic, sure not :)
[03:51] <crypticreign[w] > exalted: how does that list the driver?
[03:51] <ac-id> sure u can lsmod if its a module
[03:51] <ac-id> surely
[03:51] <exalted> crypticreign[w] , man it please, i don't have experience
[03:51] <ac-id> damn my spelling sucks today
[03:51] <_TeRmInEt_> exalted how can I delete an AP?
[03:51] <silvio_> halo
[03:51] <no0tic> exalted: why not?
[03:51] <silvio_> dames
[03:51] <ac-id> but u would want madwifi,atheros etc drivers anyways
[03:51] <crypticreign[w] > exalted: right.. my point exactly, it doesnt
[03:51] <ac-id> they're far neater :)
[03:51] <no0tic> exalted: msttcorefonts pack is there
[03:51] <exalted> _TeRmInEt_, Acess Point??
[03:51] <_TeRmInEt_> yes
[03:51] <_TeRmInEt_> i've multiple ap
[03:51] <FirefoxKal-linux> how do i update from 5.04 RC to 5.04?
[03:52] <exalted> crypticreign[w] , doesn't what?
[03:52] <exalted> no0tic, i see thx
[03:52] <crypticreign[w] > exalted: doesnt tell me the driver that is being used
[03:52] <meng> hi
[03:52] <exalted> crypticreign[w] , so pass me :) sorry
[03:52] <Funraiser> where is the update notifier in gnome?
[03:52] <no0tic> FirefoxKal-linux: sudo apt-get update
[03:52] <no0tic> FirefoxKal-linux: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:52] <Funraiser> I mean how can i Start "update-notifier" ?
[03:53] <Upayavir1> Can anyone recommend a tool that will allow me to backup a whole hard drive to a mounted firewire drive? Like compressed tar, split over a number of 2Gb files?
[03:53] <exalted> FuNEx, administrator tools
[03:53] <deFrysk> Funraiser, it starts automaticly afaIk
[03:53] <deFrysk> and if nothings there to update , no notifier
[03:53] <wezzer> hmm, strange
[03:54] <Funraiser> k
[03:54] <wezzer> I have gstreamer0.8-mad installed, but still rhytmbox crashes
[03:54] <exalted> _TeRmInEt_, write with my nick please next time: anyway is easy to delete an AP
[03:54] <exalted> _TeRmInEt_, graphical or edit based config u need?
[03:54] <Funraiser> OMG the upgrade to hoary is so slow
[03:54] <ericf> wezzer: Does it happen with a specific mp3, or all of them?
[03:54] <wezzer> all of them
[03:54] <Fator_Dee> Funraiser: well, /. has that kind of effect :-\
[03:54] <ericf> wezzer: did you just install hoary from a cd?
[03:54] <Xappe> Funraiser: prbably a reasonable high load on the servers today :)
[03:55] <Funraiser> yeah not the best day to upgrade
[03:55] <wezzer> ericf: nope, I upgraded from warty
[03:55] <Bazzi> Yeah, /. brings every server to its knees
[03:55] <wezzer> using instructions from ubuntu site
[03:55] <ericf> wezzer: Did you do an apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[03:55] <wezzer> yes
[03:55] <ericf> wezzer: weird
[03:55] <exalted> _TeRmInEt_, no comment??
[03:55] <wezzer> yea, I have no idea what's wrong
[03:56] <Funraiser> should have waited a week or two to upgrade
[03:56] <nemius> is there any chance of me getting a step by step help to configure my adsl?
[03:56] <mach> Funraiser, try some other mirror: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/view?searchterm=mirror
[03:56] <hayden> i just mounted 2 ntfs partitions but when i try to access them it says: could not enter /media/windows
[03:57] <Sung> are some of the ubuntu repositories down ?
[03:57] <nemius> i have a zoom modem, no router.. and i must say i have NO idea how to get myself online
[03:57] <kotatsu> yikes, a few people in here today heh
[03:57] <Funraiser> mach, now that synaptic is running?
[03:57] <kotatsu> gogo release
[03:57] <FirefoxKal-linux> no0tic, i got nothing to update
[03:57] <ericf> wezzer: I would make sure that everything is upgraded well, and then I wouldn't know...
[03:58] <no0tic> FirefoxKal-linux: me too
[03:58] <Sung> i am not sure but i think there are a problem with the repositories.
[03:58] <no0tic> FirefoxKal-linux: they have freezed two days ago?
[03:58] <wezzer> ericf: updatenotifier just found some new packages
[03:58] <no0tic> FirefoxKal-linux: so packages are the same
[03:58] <wezzer> I'll see if installing them corrects problem
[03:58] <ericf> wezzer: dont use it now, it does not do a dist-upgrade
[03:58] <Funraiser> and think i'll leave it this way...thanks
[03:58] <benjanet> the keyboard selector on hoary stable not working for me any more :(
[03:59] <ericf> wezzer: open a terminal, get root with 'sudo -s', then run 'apt-get update', then 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[03:59] <dcraven> Okay, I've put the torrent files up here (http://tinyurl.com/6xsdw) for when someone asks for them because the download servers are dead.
[03:59] <vessuvius> So if I downloaded/installed yesterday it was frozen already?
[03:59] <wezzer> ok
[03:59] <nemius> sorry about colours can anyone please help me configure my netcard to dial my modem!!!
[03:59] <mach> Funraiser, yeah, just change the repositories urls on the /etc/apt/sources.list, reload the packages lists and do smart-upgrade
[03:59] <nemius> it's installed on a nother machine
[04:00] <exalted> have a nice day... ciao!
[04:00] <mcdonaldswes> vessuvius: if you've already installed an ubuntu system, there's no need to redownload the CDs
[04:00] <mcdonaldswes> vessuvius: you should be able to perform an update
[04:01] <Anubis> wtf is wrong with gnome?
[04:01] <dcraven> Anubis, nothing?
[04:01] <Anubis> now items on my desktop I can't even select?
[04:01] <Anubis> oh nautilus has just decieded to stop working
[04:02] <dcraven> Anubis, we're gonna need more help here dude :)
[04:02] <ericf> Anubis: your problem description is not such that we want or can help you
[04:02] <Anubis> I just have to kill it and restart the desktop ala windows
[04:02] <Anubis> yeah
[04:02] <Anubis> nothings wrong with gnome
[04:02] <dcraven> Anubis, it might be as simple as "killall nautilus".
[04:02] <FirefoxKal-linux> THAT'S IT I AM GOING BACK TO WIN@@@@S
[04:02] <FirefoxKal-linux> LOL
[04:02] <Funraiser> I just discovered the free app called "celestia", makes u travel in the universe, to visit other stars, galaxies and planet, and simulates the view an astronaut has on the ISS, there is a binary for debian check http://www.shatters.net/celestia/download.html
[04:02] <jordan> FirefoxKal-linux: GREAT YOU DO THAT HAVE FUN
[04:02] <dcraven> Anubis, it'll restart on it's own once killed.
[04:03] <Funraiser> it's really cool, spent 2 hours on it yesterday
[04:03] <Anubis> yeah
[04:03] <Anubis>  I know
[04:03] <Anubis> why would I have to kill it
[04:03] <Anubis> and will I have to kill it occasionally?
[04:03] <FirefoxKal-linux> nautilus can't display a single window mode anymore... anyone know how to fix it?
[04:03] <Anubis> When hoary was in devlopment
[04:03] <Anubis> I never had a gnome issue
[04:03] <jordan> can anyone help me with xorg
[04:03] <Anubis> now that its final
[04:03] <Anubis> gnome is not the same
[04:03] <dcraven> Anubis, not typically. I'm not sure what happened by looking from here.
[04:03] <Anubis> thats all I'm saying
[04:03] <declan> Hi.  Does anyone know how hibernate is supposed to work.  Probably it works for some of you.  You press "hibernate" and the computer goes asleep.  Then what.  How are you supposed to revive it.  With the on-off switch? spacebar? return?  some other key combination?  I can't really tell if its working or not, if I don't know how its supposed to be working.  Thanks.
[04:03] <Anubis> at least on my box
[04:04] <Anubis> for those of you who it still works perfect
[04:04] <Anubis> GOOD
[04:04] <Funraiser> declan, u have to wait for the summer
[04:04] <dcraven> Anubis, you are having regular problems?
[04:04] <declan> OK.
[04:04] <Frafra> hi
[04:04] <Anubis> I'm not pissin on ubuntu or hoary
[04:04] <jordan> hi
[04:04] <Anubis> I just saying
[04:04] <declan> Hibernate during the summer, sounds a bit wierd
[04:04] <dcraven> Anubis, you are having regular problems?
[04:04] <Anubis> dcraven, with gnome
[04:04] <mach> Funraiser, with another mirror, it will continue from the package it was downloading
[04:04] <ericf> declan: you are right :)
[04:04] <Anubis> dcraven, minor though
[04:04] <linux_galore> declan: usually hit ESC or what ever is the laptop default revive keyboard short cut is
[04:04] <jordan> Anubis: i heard they made some final week changes, there is a forum topic about it somewhere
[04:05] <Anubis> dcraven, all nauitilus now that I think about it
[04:05] <declan> Does it work for any of you yet?
[04:05] <Funraiser> ...wait for the summer for it to wake up...
[04:05] <declan> Oh, I get it!  Good one!
[04:05] <benjanet> the keyboard selector on hoary stable (installer) not working for me any more, preview worked :(
[04:05] <FirefoxKal-linux> lol
[04:05] <Frafra> can you give me the link for download the 5.04 with torrent? i can't go in internet
[04:05] <FirefoxKal-linux> declan, call it sleep in os x :)
[04:05] <dcraven> Anubis, well I know that Hoary was delayed 2 days to accomodate GNOME 2.10.1, but I haven't seen the GNOME ChangeLog yet. That may be a good place to look I suppose.
[04:05] <Anubis> dcraven, it seems that having a folder open that you are actively downloading too, upsets nauitlus
[04:06] <Anubis> dcraven, thx for that FYI
[04:06] <Xappe> i would hibernate during the fall/winter and wake up in february for some snowboarding, the hibernate again and finaaly wake up in may
[04:06] <jordan> can anyone help me with my Xorg problem?????
[04:06] <dcraven> Anubis, anytime.
[04:06] <linux_galore> declan: usually laptops have a key for starting from sleep mode.....it varies though but its all triggered from the bios nothing to do with Linux from the keyboard side of things
[04:06] <FirefoxKal-linux> Frafra, what type of cpu?
[04:06] <Frafra> amd64
[04:06] <declan> Aha, so I've to look at the laptop
[04:06] <declan> ..'s manual?
[04:07] <linux_galore> yeah manual usually tells you
[04:07] <dcraven> jordan, how far up is your question about xorg? I don't see it.
[04:07] <declan> Related question: is suspend and hibernate the same thing, or are they different?
[04:07] <linux_galore> bios just tells linux to wake up
[04:07] <wezzer> ericf: now it works!
[04:07] <wezzer> thanks for your help :)
[04:07] <jordan> dcraven: a good ways can you help me?
[04:07] <declan> glad to see that wezzer is sorted.
[04:07] <jordan> i cant get x to work
[04:07] <dcraven> jordan, tough to know if I can help until I find the question.
[04:08] <jordan> dcraven: what you can't read minds??
[04:08] <linux_galore> declan: have to be carefull not all the distro's have good support for sleep mode on laptops
[04:08] <jordan> dcraven: i installed hoary, and now i cant get xserver to start
[04:08] <dcraven> jordan, the X server will not start? Have a look in /etc/Xorg.0.log near the end for any errors. Error lines will begin with "(EE)".
[04:08] <apokryphos> jordan: try doing a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:08] <Fator_Dee> question: I have an apt-get updating from ubuntus own servers, can I just ctrl+c that and change the sources.list to some other mirror and continue as normal(update&dist-upgrade)?
[04:09] <linux_galore> jordan: 5.04 is out
[04:09] <dcraven> jordan, my mind reading abilities have failed with age I think ;P
[04:09] <jordan> dcraven: i have my log file on my ftp server if you want to read it
[04:09] <lemmy> hi, is there by any chance a way to install ubuntu without a cd drive or usb drive. an debian inst is on the disk though.
[04:09] <dcraven> jordan, sure, I'll have a view.
[04:09] <jordan> linux_galore: thanks...
[04:10] <linux_galore> lemmy: debian has a 3 floppy install option
[04:10] <jordan> dcraven: is there a way i can tell only you?
[04:10] <linux_galore> lemmy: basically the installer is on the floppies and it grabs the packages of the net
[04:10] <FirefoxKal-linux> what is floppy?
[04:10] <FirefoxKal-linux> ;)
[04:10] <dcraven> jordan, you could paste the log file in www.pastebin.com too under the name "jordan". Then we could all see it.
[04:10] <ericf> wezzer: Good job.
[04:10] <Nermal> any idea when breezy is being forked ?
[04:10] <jordan> dcraven: yeah i can't do that right now, the copy paste stuff is killing me
[04:10] <lemmy> linux_galore: i dont have a floppy available
[04:11] <linux_galore> lemmy: does the bios have the ability to boot from the net
[04:11] <dcraven> jordan, okay then, /msg me and I'll paste it there.
[04:11] <FirefoxKal-linux> linux_galore, u can boot from the internet?
[04:11] <keats_> hi.
[04:12] <lemmy> linux_galore: yes, but i dont have a second host for the bootp server.
[04:12] <keats_> can anyone play mp3s using rhythmbox after installing gstreamer0.8-plugins and win32codecs ?
[04:12] <linux_galore> FirefoxKal-linux: yes a real bios has the ability to download a small boot image from the net debian has these on the net you can download the image put it on another machine (ftp) then point the bios at the bootable image
[04:12] <Xappe> keats_: you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:12] <Nermal> keats_, its the gstreamer0.8-mad that does the mp3 stuff
[04:13] <keats_> okay. that's installed too.
[04:13] <FirefoxKal-linux> linux_galore, what is real? how to define it :)
[04:13] <Nermal> but that _should_ be installed with gstreamer0.8-plugins :|
[04:13] <keats_> but it still doesn't work
[04:13] <linux_galore> lemmy: just point the bios at the url for the image
[04:13] <FirefoxKal-linux> linux_galore, sound like netboot for me
[04:13] <linux_galore> FirefoxKal-linux: yeah bootp
[04:13] <keats_> so the problem is actual the fact that even after i install all the gstreamer stuff it still doesn't work
[04:13] <jordan> dcraven: did you get it? i am not the best with irc.....
[04:14] <dcraven> I got it. It's here http://www.pastebin.com/268827
[04:14] <linux_galore> lemmy: poke around for the debian boot image for the machine.....then just point the bios at it
[04:14] <Fator_Dee> question repeated: I have apt-get updating from ubuntu's own servers, can I just ctrl+c it and change the sources.list to some other mirror and continue as nothing happened(update&dist-upgrade)?
[04:15] <linux_galore> lemmy: you need the boot image specific to your machine or it wont work
[04:15] <Fackamato> how do I reconfigure the locales
[04:15] <wezzer> whoops, I deleted all internet radios from rhytmbox
[04:15] <linux_galore> Fator_Dee: no the package signature is wrong
[04:15] <wezzer> is there any site where to find those?
[04:16] <dcraven> jordan, did you make changes to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[04:16] <fuoco> anyone knows if i can use ubuntu livecd to test laptop harware, like acpi, battery, suspend to ram etc?
[04:16] <linux_galore> Fator_Dee: if the package signature is the same yes....
[04:16] <jobezone> keats_, try restarting gnome. for me, as soon a I installed gstreamer0.8-mad, rythmbox played mp3 fine.
[04:16] <Fackamato> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:16] <Fackamato> ah ok
[04:16] <Fackamato> thanks
[04:16] <Fackamato> np
[04:16] <linux_galore> Fator_Dee: has to be an alternate mirror not a whole different server with its own versions of packages
[04:16] <dcraven> jordan, it looks as though it's trying to load a "Keyboard" drive for your keyboard when it is actually supposed to be "keyboard" (lower case k).
[04:17] <mercurus> fuoco, you can ... but try and save your settings to a USB drive or a hdd partition ...
[04:17] <fuoco> mercurus: what settings?
[04:17] <dcraven> jordan, you can change that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf with a text editor. Make the "k" a small one.
[04:17] <mercurus> fuoco, any changes you make to the defaults
[04:17] <Fator_Dee> linux_galore: well, do you now of one so that I could update my hoary within this year :-p
[04:17] <Fator_Dee> *warty
[04:17] <jordan> dcraven: okay make big "K" a small "k" and restart i will try it thanks
[04:18] <Funraiser> max...i don't like what i'm reading...
[04:18] <EddieX> Will Gnome run smoothly on p3 800 with 256mb ram? :)
[04:18] <fuoco> mercurus: i just want to check if ubuntu allows suspend to ram and correct battery reporting with this laptop, and i wondered if the livecd has those features
[04:18] <jesper> EddieX: Yes
[04:18] <mercurus> fuoco, it might ... testing is the best option
[04:18] <linux_galore> Fator_Dee: if you look on slashdot someone has listed all the major mirrors around the world in the comments section were it talks about the new version of Ubuntu
[04:18] <EddieX> jesper, Thanks
[04:18] <MacIver> so gnome 2.10.1 is out
[04:18] <mercurus> most things ACPI need tweaking to work as you want them ...
[04:18] <MacIver> ?
[04:19] <fuoco> mercurus: what kind of tweaking?
[04:19] <dcraven> jordan, it'll be a line that looks something like this in a section called "InputDevice".... '\Driver   "Keyboard"'.
[04:19] <linux_galore> maclver yep and ubuntu has it first
[04:19] <dcraven> jordan, without the "\".... How did that get there.
[04:19] <Fator_Dee> linux_galore: hmmm, ok, I kind of meant those servers/mirrors, should have said it clearer :-/
[04:19] <mercurus> fuoco, but you'll find ACPI support in the kernel, and probably a cpu frequency scaling daemon, etc
[04:19] <dcraven> brb...
[04:19] <linux_galore> but then again ubuntu guys are gnome guys lol
[04:19] <MacIver> linux_galore: yeah, not even gnome.org has it yet :-/
[04:19] <mercurus> fuoco, well ... you can change \ setup new hotkeys etc
[04:20] <Funraiser> Fator_Dee, is it that slow?
[04:20] <linux_galore> Fator_Dee: the servers in the sources list are the general sources it doesnt actually list the local mirrors the post on slashdot does
[04:21] <Fator_Dee> to me it is
[04:21] <Funraiser> what speed?
[04:21] <jordan> dcraven: i edit my xfree84 files a while back, could that have done it?
[04:21] <Fator_Dee> well, ETA was about 3 days
[04:21] <linux_galore> maclver  yes even Gentoo doesnt have 2.10.1  lol
[04:21] <Funraiser> OMG
[04:21] <Funraiser> mine is not that bad: 2h20
[04:21] <Fator_Dee> occasionally it would be better, but I'll try changing the sources.list
[04:22] <MacIver> well dropline has it ;-)
[04:22] <linux_galore> a mainstream distro with packages more up_to_date than Gentoo Linux......lol who would have thunk it
[04:22] <multifasciatus> Hi
[04:23] <jordan> hi
[04:23] <Funraiser> hi
[04:23] <dcraven> jordan, well it depends on what you edited I suppose. I'm just curious why it's like that if that's even the problem at all. Worth a shot though.
[04:23] <multifasciatus> Can someone please help me setup amarok?
[04:23] <jordan> dcraven: sounds good i will do it
[04:23] <linux_galore> woohoo 3 min to go and i can watch some anime
[04:23] <declan> What's wrong with amarok?
[04:23] <dcraven> jordan, the Ubuntu install wouldn't typically make that mistake I don't think is all.
[04:23] <multifasciatus> declan: It won`t play my .oggs
[04:23] <johnnybezak> is the site slashdotted?
[04:24] <declan> Has it found them yet?
[04:24] <linux_galore> dcraven: noticed a few posts about Ubuntu and X not working
[04:24] <declan> Have you scanned the directory where they are?
[04:24] <fuoco> ubuntu website is dead?
[04:24] <dcraven> johnnybezak, yes, I think it's been slashdotted.
[04:24] <multifasciatus> declan: They`re in the left side as newly added if that`s what you mean
[04:24] <Funraiser> multifasciatus, u need to put all your oggs in the same basket
[04:24] <linux_galore> fuoco: yeah slashdot just told everyone about the new release
[04:24] <johnnybezak> ahh ok i went to the site im like umm wierd not working
[04:24] <johnnybezak> then went to slashdot frontpage
[04:24] <linux_galore> fuoco: have to use bittorrent
[04:24] <multifasciatus> Funraiser: Well.. I have only ripped one cd, so..
[04:25] <johnnybezak> Linux: Hoary Hedgehog Ubuntu 5.04 Released
[04:25] <johnnybezak> hehe
[04:25] <fuoco> linux_galore: then the bittorrent should be fast
[04:25] <dcraven> The download torrents are mirrored here if you are looking for them --> 	http://tinyurl.com/6xsdw
[04:25] <declan> And I suppose you add those oggs to your playlist, and ...?
[04:25] <linux_galore> fuoco: should be lots of peers
[04:25] <dcraven> They might be hard to get from the ubuntu site right now.
[04:26] <linux_galore> lol @ 100,000 geeks trying to get a copy of ubuntu/kubuntu
[04:26] <multifasciatus> declan: Hmm.. I have tried dubble clicking them, dragging them to the playlist etc. Nothing has worked
[04:26] <fuoco> linux_galore: it's not fast as far as i can tell... :(
[04:26] <DocKane> unmounting my card reader ends up in a frozen system. is there a way to unmount it and avoid that ?
[04:26] <difeta> hey all! For some reason, gnome hangs on startup for about 3 minutes, any ideas why?
[04:26] <linux_galore> fuoco: yeah Im only getting 10k
[04:26] <Bazzi> torrent maxes my line out :-)
[04:26] <fuoco> me too
[04:26] <declan> Select and rightclick, and choose add to playlist.  Have you done that?
[04:27] <dcraven> fuoco, lot's of ISP's throttle torrent type traffic. The torrent will still be faster than the direct download though.
[04:27] <linux_galore> ok movie time
[04:27] <Funraiser> i guess i'm lucky then, i'm getting 40kB/sec
[04:27] <Bazzi> ~torrent at 220K/s down, 30K/s up
[04:27] <HiddenWolf> Heh. I get 10/10mbit, if I want to. :)
[04:27] <fuoco> dcraven: my isp doesn't throttle bittorrent. but it's slower than direct download
[04:27] <multifasciatus> declan: It says that some urls were not suitable
[04:27] <dcraven> fuoco, I stand corrected.
[04:28] <dcraven> difeta, this takes place after you login to GDM?
[04:28] <Funraiser> Bazzi it depends what you're downloading
[04:28] <multifasciatus> declan: Being new to linux it would probably be aesier if you could control my machine to set it up
[04:28] <declan> Oh, multif.  I don't know what that's about.  Maybe someone else has come across that before?
[04:28] <Bazzi> Funraiser true :-)
[04:28] <declan> No, I'm no expert either.
[04:29] <difeta> dcraven, yep
[04:29] <multifasciatus> declan. oaky... thanks though
[04:29] <declan> It worked straight away for me.  Maybe you have corrupt .oggs?
[04:29] <declan> Smelly oggs?
[04:29] <Funraiser> broken oggs
[04:29] <declan> Ouch
[04:29] <multifasciatus> declan: Just ripped using soundjuicer
[04:30] <declan> That's what I'm doing myself at the moment, and it works for me, though it slows the machine up something awful
[04:30] <multifasciatus> Hmm.. I`ll try once again, then
[04:30] <Funraiser> mandrake changed it's name today
[04:30] <fuoco> annoying how the website doesn't work
[04:31] <jordan> dcraven: is the Xorg.conf file i should be editting located in /usr/bin/X11/Xorg.conf ?
[04:31] <Funraiser> it's no more mandrake it's mandriva
[04:31] <Nermal> fuoco, yes.. the slashdot effect can be a bitch at times
[04:31] <Nermal> oh.. not manrape ?
[04:31] <Nermal> damn
[04:31] <dcraven> jordan, no. It's called /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:32] <jordan> dcraven: no wonder i was looking at the wrong one from the whereis
[04:32] <xiaogil> What is Kubuntu ?
[04:32] <jmartens> Is there a torrent setup anywhere for the ubuntu cds?
[04:32] <jordan> ubuntu with KDE
[04:32] <Funraiser> ubuntu for kde
[04:32] <apokryphos> xiaogil: Ubuntu with default KDE
[04:32] <xiaogil> beurk!
[04:32] <dcraven> difeta, is the last word on the first line of your /etc/hosts exactly the same as the single word in /etc/hostname?
[04:32] <Funraiser> looks like KDE is more popular than gnome, isn't it?
[04:33] <multifasciatus> It souldn`t be because I`m using KDE
[04:33] <dcraven> difeta, I think I've heard of that being an issue... not sure though :)
[04:33] <dcraven> difeta, regardless, I think they should agree.
[04:33] <xiaogil> Why is there a Kubuntu, and not a Gubuntu then ?
[04:33] <jmartens> Silly me, I didn't look far enough.  Nevermind about the torrent.
[04:33] <Bazzi> Funraiser well... :p
[04:33] <Turtlewind> because Ubuntu has gnome anyway
[04:33] <Fator_Dee> hmmm, now it got interestinh
[04:33] <Bazzi> it's more colorful
[04:33] <Fator_Dee> *-ing
[04:33] <Turtlewind> so making a spinoff gnome version would be a bit silly
[04:33] <dcraven> xiaogil, Kubuntu is a spinoff.
[04:34] <difeta> dcraven, yeah, the last word on the first line of my hosts file matches the word proveded in hosts
[04:34] <dcraven> difeta, that word is alpha only?
[04:34] <Funraiser> ubuntu is with gnome by default, and Gubuntu doesn't mean anyting and is ugly
[04:34] <apokryphos> dcraven: no it's not
[04:34] <chiddy> hmmm, anyone know why I can't get Gnome 2.10.1 from Synaptic? Isn't it up yet?
[04:34] <difeta> dcraven, ep
[04:34] <Fator_Dee> I'm downloadin the updates ~300kB/s... with my 2meg connection :-\
[04:34] <difeta> dcraven, yep
[04:34] <dcraven> difeta, as in, no "." or anything?
[04:34] <Fator_Dee> not that I'm complaining
[04:34] <dcraven> difeta, hmmm...
[04:34] <Bazzi> Fator_Dee 300Kb/s is enough for you ;p
[04:34] <housetier> 300k over a 2mbit connection isnt that bad
[04:35] <deusr> nossa essa canal tah cheio em..
[04:35] <Funraiser> it's maxed out actually
[04:35] <dcraven> apokryphos, Kubuntu is not a spinoff?
[04:35] <Bazzi> 2mbit is 256KB/s
[04:35] <hayden> can someone help me mount ntfs partitions
[04:35] <apokryphos> dcraven: well, it depends on what you mean by spinoff. It's not a fork.
[04:35] <deusr> Pessoal, gostaria de saber como posso contribuir com pacote ??
[04:35] <Fator_Dee> Bazzi: and that's the whole point
[04:35] <Fator_Dee> although that is not so unusual for my ISP
[04:35] <Bazzi> so the download app calculates wrongly
[04:35] <dcraven> apokryphos, no, no.. I didn't mean it was unrelated or anything. It's still Ubuntu as far as I know.
[04:36] <Funraiser> i'm at 50K/sec on a 6mega connection...
[04:36] <jordan> dcraven: i edited the driver name i am about to restart my comp to see if it worked. Is there a better was than restarting computer
[04:36] <chiddy> hayden, do you know what the device address is, like /dev/hda1 whatever?
[04:36] <apokryphos> Funraiser: are you using the torrent?
[04:36] <deusr> tem algum Brasileiro aqui ????????
[04:36] <hayden> yep
[04:36] <Funraiser> apokryphos, i'm using synaptic
[04:36] <chiddy> are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:36] <vessuvius> what's the apt command to upgrade from hoary-rc to the release?
[04:36] <apokryphos> dcraven: yes, Kubuntu stuff is in Ubuntu Main repo. Officially supported.
[04:36] <jordan> would gdm restart work or something like it/
[04:36] <dcraven> jordan, yes.
[04:36] <hayden> kubuntu
[04:37] <apokryphos> Funraiser: oh right, sorry -- thought you were referring to iso
[04:37] <jordan> dcraven: thanks
[04:37] <chiddy> okay, type this in konsole then: sudo kedit /etc/fstab
[04:37] <dcraven> jordan, you should be able to "/etc/init.d/gdm start".
[04:37] <apokryphos> chiddy: well, both =), but -- kubuntu.
[04:37] <dcraven> jordan, no need to restart the machine.
[04:37] <zooko> hooray for Hoary release!
[04:37] <zooko> 
[04:37] <zooko> Good job, folks!
[04:38] <hayden> chiddy: yea
[04:38] <dcraven> jordan, don't thank me unless it works ;)
[04:38] <chiddy> then add the following line in fstab: /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=0222,user      0       0
[04:38] <jobezone> deusr, um portuga aqui
[04:38] <jobezone> deusr, um portuga aqui!
[04:38] <apokryphos> chiddy: kedit? ;-) Kate!
[04:38] <hayden> ok
[04:38] <Hussan> hi all
[04:38] <chiddy> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=0222,user      0       0
[04:38] <hohlraum> is there a meta package that deps on all the default (installed by the installer) ubuntu 5.04 final packages?
[04:38] <Hussan> hi all
[04:38] <Funraiser> is there someone here who actually works for canonical?
[04:38] <Turtlewind> what changed between the release candidate and the final release?
[04:38] <kent> hohlraum, ubuntu-desktop  and ubuntu-base ?
[04:38] <chiddy> okay, then close the editor and type: sudo md /media/windows
[04:38] <hayden> someone told me | /dev/hda1       /media/windows_c        ntfs user,exec  0       0
[04:39] <hayden> but i cant access them
[04:39] <apokryphos> Turtlewind: bug fixes, mainly -- updated progs, a little.
[04:39] <Turtlewind> worth downloading then?
[04:39] <chiddy> i don't know about that, that line i gave is the one i walways use, you can mount wherever you want just make sure the directory exists
[04:39] <jesper> hayden: try chmod a+rx /medix/windows_c
[04:39] <hohlraum> so dist-upgrades should add any new packages added through out development automatically.. cool.
[04:39] <jesper> hayden: try chmod a+rx /media/windows_c
[04:39] <vessuvius> how would you upgrade from the rc to the final today?
[04:40] <apokryphos> Turtlewind: worth doing a dist-upgrade? Yeah... might be worth just waiting tomorrow or so; servers overloaded.
[04:40] <jobezone> hohlraum, just make sure ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base are installed, then replace warty with hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list . Turn off Universe and Multiverse, and other extra repositories you may have configured, though, before you dist-upgrade.
[04:40] <apokryphos> vessuvius: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:40] <chiddy> hayden, try my line i know it works, i used to have problems not being able to access the drive as well until i changed it to that, its the same line listed at ubuntuguide.org
[04:40] <hayden> ok
[04:40] <vessuvius> Oh
[04:40] <vessuvius> that was easy :)
[04:41] <apokryphos> that's the aim ;-)
[04:41] <hohlraum> jobezone: i'm good.  didn't have warty installed. was tracking the hoary dev.
[04:41] <chiddy> after you have fstab all edited and the directory created, just go type sudo mount <whatever the device address is)
[04:41] <jobezone> hohlraum, ah, ok
[04:41] <difeta> can someone explain to me why nautlius now closes the open file window when i open another?
[04:41] <hohlraum> hohlraum: just found it odd that there I couldn't locate a default app for maintaining run level services.
[04:42] <difeta> nm, got it
[04:42] <hohlraum> jobezone: oops.. just found it odd that I couldn't locate a default app for maintaining run level services.
[04:43] <jobezone> difeta, a last-minute change the ubuntu developers made. If you want to change it back, search for spatial nautilus in http://www.ubuntuforums.com . I've got quite acostumed to it, though
[04:43] <dcraven> difeta, that's a new Ubuntu specific choice.. You want to change it back to the regular GNOME behaviour?
[04:44] <Funraiser> all those windows open is kinda annoying anyway (i know there is the double click/middle button)
[04:44] <jobezone> hohlraum, ubuntu, and debian, don't include that part of gnome-system-tools, I think they don't think it's problem-free enough. Although I've used it in the past, before ubuntu, and had no problems with it.
[04:44] <difeta> dcraven, yeah, too often i want the parent directory open with the child, so its annoying to me
[04:44] <difeta> but that is why gconf lets me change it! woo hoo
[04:45] <hohlraum> jobezone: .. they shouldn't have included any of them.. i can make the Network Management tools crash regularly.
[04:45] <dcraven> difeta, okay, you already found the solution then.. Good.
[04:45] <mercurus> If I download a Hoary ISO, loopback mount it, and add it as a source for apt, that would provide most, if not all of the packages I'd need to upgrade Warty->Hoary ... no ?
[04:45] <jobezone> hohlraum, really? I've never had to mess much with network, but it hasn't crashed on me ...
[04:45] <CheeseBall> what is the quick key to switch to desktop 4
[04:46] <apokryphos> mercurus: no need to download the ISO. You can upgrade from apt
[04:46] <kent> How come realplayer can play "rtsp://sr-rm.qbrick.com/broadcast/cluster/encoder/02038_p1.rm" while rhythmbox cant. Shouldn't rhythmbox be able to play internet radio?
[04:46] <mercurus> apokryphos, yes and no ...
[04:46] <hohlraum> jobezone: .. really basic stuff.. like just going through the app.. looking at settings under the various sections.. and cancelling out of the app and boom.
[04:46] <Fator_Dee> kent: because thats .rm, realmedia
[04:46] <DocKane> ubuntulinux.org is down ?
[04:47] <apokryphos> mercurus: whatwhat?
[04:47] <hohlraum> kent: not realaudio
[04:47] <apokryphos> DocKane: nah, but likely very slow.
[04:47] <mercurus> apokryphos, I can download the ISO for free on a 200Kb/s pipe at Uni, and then bring it hom to use on my desktop ... or download all the packages on 64kbps ISDN ...
[04:47] <DocKane> getting timeouts
[04:47] <calc> mercurus: there is also a dvd torrent with all of main on it
[04:47] <jobezone> hohlraum, this in ubuntu? I remember when it crashed to me like that, but that was about a year ago when it was really in its first versions.
[04:47] <DocKane> because of the hoary release ?
[04:48] <calc> mercurus: depending on how fast your uni link is and if you have a dvd burner there ;)
[04:48] <jobezone> hohlraum, but that allways sucks
[04:48] <mercurus> DocKane, I imagine slashdot publishing the release info has overloaded the server's pipe
[04:48] <mercurus> calc, well ... I am limited in the free traffic I can access
[04:48] <DocKane> slashdot dossing ::P
[04:48] <hohlraum> yep.. just a couple days ago.. one was just an error .. the other was a crash that trigged bug-buddy.
[04:48] <mercurus> calc, but I can grab a DVD image to my laptop, and then burn it at home ...
[04:48] <kent> hohlraum, Fator_Dee, there is no way to make rhythmbox play realaudio then? It would be nice if I could remove realplayer and only use rhythmbox.
[04:48] <hohlraum> jobezone: yep.. just a couple days ago.. one was just an error .. the other was a crash that trigged bug-buddy
[04:49] <Fator_Dee> kent: there might be, but I'm not aware of any tips or tricks
[04:49] <calc> looks like nearly 1TB has been downloaded since release today
[04:49] <hohlraum> kent: it uses gstreamer.. check around on the internet for realaudio support for gstreamer.
[04:49] <Fator_Dee> kent: try searching trough the forums
[04:49] <calc> mercurus: ah yea
[04:49] <mercurus> calc, I'm tracking my way through peered content looking for the DVD or a Live CD image and an i386 image
[04:49] <mercurus> *i386 install
[04:49] <calc> mercurus: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[04:49] <calc> torrent links to all
[04:50] <kent> Fator_Dee, hohlraum i will google for it. thanks.
[04:50] <calc> apparently there isn't an "official" dvd image but the one that is available is the same as 5.04 (afaict)
[04:50] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> on defualt ubuntu install dose it come with alot of goodies ?  sory ahvent installed it yet and cant  right now im at work just ahd tot ask "] 
[04:50] <mercurus> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, yes.
[04:50] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ty
[04:50] <hohlraum> jobezone: go into System / Admin / Networking.  go to the DNS tab and click add on the dns.  don't do anyhing else except hit the ESCAPE key on your keyboard.
[04:50] <mercurus> everything you need ... you can add extras but the basics are all there
[04:51] <jobezone> hohlraum, wow
[04:51] <Funraiser> what's the most used desktop environment: gnome or kde?
[04:51] <jobezone> hohlraum, you're right, it crashed:)
[04:51] <hohlraum> jobezone: did it happen?
[04:51] <Nermal> in ubuntu, probably gnome
[04:51] <calc> Funraiser: in general probably kde, on ubuntu gnome
[04:51] <Funraiser> in linux in general?
[04:51] <mercurus> Funraiser, on Ubuntu GNOME, on KUbuntu KDE.
[04:51] <Fator_Dee> in kubuntu, propably kde ;-)
[04:52] <jobezone> hohlraum, is there a bug reported for this yet?
[04:52] <Myrtti> are the Live CD's any good? We are having a IRC-meeting with the girls at my place and two computers on the net would be nice. The other computer is my SO's and on Windows XP with some high profile information and he not willing to set up extra user accounts, so a live CD would be nice
[04:52] <hohlraum> jobezone: .. Gnome System Tools == junk.
[04:52] <dcraven> Funraiser, tough to tell.
[04:52] <jobezone> hohlraum, naa, it's my friend
[04:52] <hohlraum> jobezone: i sent one through bug-buddy.. but i didn't see it on the site yet.
[04:52] <mercurus> Myrtti, I've found the live CD very nice :)
[04:52] <dcraven> Funraiser, probably about even.
[04:52] <Turtlewind> myrtti - it depends what you need them for
[04:52] <Funraiser> k
[04:52] <apokryphos> KDE is more widely used, in general, but on Ubuntu in general -- GNOME quite easily
[04:52] <Turtlewind> if it's just for the internet / irc, it works fine
[04:52] <Myrtti> Turtlewind: terminals, surfing
[04:53] <dcraven> Myrtti, the LiveCD's are great.
[04:53] <Turtlewind> yeah, that will be no problem
[04:53] <Myrtti> Turtlewind: perhaps mounting a NTFS partition and sharing it over samba
[04:53] <dcraven> Myrtti, as a demo of course.
[04:53] <jobezone> hohlraum, does bug-buddy send bugs to ubunto or to gnome? maybe it went to gnome bugzilla.
[04:53] <mjr> I wouldn't say either way; sure, KDE is widely used in places, but so's Gnome (think also all the Sun Java Desktop deployments)
[04:53] <mjr> (which is basicly Gnome)
[04:53] <hohlraum> jobezone: ahh.. you are correct.
[04:53] <Anubis> I need a streaming media player
[04:53] <Anubis> Totm suck for streams
[04:54] <mercurus> Anubis, gstreamer ..?
[04:54] <Myrtti> I have an old Knoppix cd somewhere, but its old as hell and not very intuitive
[04:54] <Anubis> is mplayer finally fixed in the repositorires?
[04:54] <apokryphos> Anubis: kaffeine
[04:54] <dcraven> Anubis, what are you streaming from?
[04:54] <jobezone> does anyone get gpg errors when updating the repositories, which then dissapear on a new update?
[04:54] <closure> Anubis, xmms
[04:54] <mercurus> Anubis, or VLC ...
[04:54] <Myrtti> so I'll burn a Ubuntu Live for the grils
[04:54] <Myrtti> girls, even
[04:54] <apokryphos> Anubis: it's always been fine (mplayer) afaik
[04:54] <dcraven> Myrtti, chicks dig Ubuntu.
[04:54] <hohlraum> is there an email address that can be CC'd so it goes into ubuntu's bugzilla?
[04:54] <apokryphos> that'll bring them in the crowds ;-)
[04:54] <Myrtti> dcraven: me included
[04:54] <dcraven> :)
[04:54] <Anubis> no kaffine
[04:54] <Anubis> no K anything
[04:55] <apokryphos> Anubis: why ever not? ;-)
[04:55] <Anubis> xmms for streams ...?? please
[04:55] <dcraven> Anubis, you could try bmp, I think it streams.
[04:55] <Myrtti> dcraven: http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/08-04-2005.png
[04:55] <Anubis> video streams
[04:55] <Nermal> porn! :D
[04:55] <Anubis> audio is fine
[04:55] <dcraven> Anubis, oh.
[04:55] <apokryphos> Anubis: you're closing yourself of to many quality apps there
[04:56] <Anubis> I don't like QT apps
[04:56] <Funraiser> xine streams
[04:56] <Anubis> they are soo ugly to me
[04:56] <Myrtti> Nermal: porn @ http://irc.fi/myrtti
[04:56] <dcraven> Myrtti, cute wallpaper.
[04:56] <apokryphos> Anubis: That seems inherently like a non-point to me, as the look is fully configurable.
[04:56] <hohlraum> jobezone: i'll submit it again only this time change the bug to go to the ubuntu buzilla.. whats the email address?
[04:56] <Nermal> I can just look at any reflective surface :P
[04:56] <jobezone> hohlraum, I don't if it's that simple to enter ubuntu's database. You could CC to gnome-system-tools ubuntu's maintainer, but he would have to insert it into ubuntu himself. besides, it's possible the bug has already been reported. I'll have a search
[04:56] <apokryphos> Anubis: and, erm, for streams it seems like functionalirty is preferred over subjective aesthetic appeal
[04:56] <Nermal> shame gaim 1.2.x didn't make it into hoary
[04:57] <Anubis> mplayer-686:
[04:57] <Anubis>  Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed
[04:57] <jobezone> hohlraum, i think that right now, the way to report bugs to ubuntu is using the webpage.
[04:57] <hohlraum> jobezone: whats the url for ubuntu's bugzilla?
[04:57] <Anubis> mplayer has always been fine
[04:57] <Anubis> NOT
[04:57] <apokryphos> ahem
[04:57] <Anubis> apparently it has not been fixed
[04:57] <hohlraum> jobezone: thats alwys an option.. most bugzilla's are configured to allow them to come in via email as well.
[04:57] <Anubis> I use Totem and gstreamer
[04:57] <apokryphos> yuck =)
[04:57] <jobezone> holraum, oh
[04:57] <Markrian> Anubis, have you tried totem-xine, as opposed to totem-gstreamer?
[04:58] <Anubis> http://linktv.org/mosaic/streamsArchive/streamPop.php4?caller=http://www.archive.org/download&prefix=Mosaic20050406&name=Mosaic20050406&filetype=mov
[04:58] <jobezone> Anubis, isn't there one mplayer with ubuntu in its name?
[04:58] <Anubis> sorry
[04:58] <jobezone> Anubis, one package, I mean, which has ubuntu in it's name. I remember seeing that in synaptic.
[04:58] <Anubis> I'm using totem-xine now
[04:59] <dcraven> Anubis, that streams nicely in my browser.
[04:59] <jobezone> Anubis, yes, i also prefer xine myself
[04:59] <Anubis> gstreamer did not work and rhythmbox was broekn
[04:59] <Anubis> dcraven, HOW?
[04:59] <alterim> can someone help me playing an xvid in ubuntu?
[04:59] <jobezone> hohlraum, I don't know the website by heart, and ubuntulinux.com seems slow
[04:59] <Anubis> I have gxine installed
[04:59] <alterim> can someone help me playing an xvid in ubuntu?
[04:59] <Anubis> VLC
[04:59] <Anubis> ogle
[04:59] <Anubis> totem
[04:59] <Anubis> and can't get .mov
[04:59] <alterim> i have totem+gstreamer with the gst-ffmpeg plugin
[05:00] <Anubis> I think I can stream everything but .movs
[05:00] <alterim> but xvid playback is jumpy
[05:00] <dcraven> Anubis, mozilla-mplayer.
[05:00] <Sparhawk_> ok, i hate to ask, but is there a hoary release DVD available?
[05:00] <xophEr> how do I create the nas0 interface?
[05:00] <Markrian> Anubis, do you have win32 codecs installed?
[05:00] <Anubis> dcraven, mpalyer is the problem here
[05:00] <EvilIdler> alterim: Try totem-xine
[05:00] <jobezone> alterim, you and me together:) I've just found that Universe has libxvidcore4, let's see if this is it.
[05:00] <apokryphos> Sparhawk_: official isn't out yet
[05:00] <Anubis> thus no mozilla-mplayer
[05:00] <Anubis> I have the mozplugger installed as well
[05:00] <alterim> aha, cool
[05:00] <Anubis> Markrian, yes
[05:00] <Sparhawk_> ok thx
[05:00] <dcraven> Anubis, oh.. I missed the original part of this conversation :)
[05:00] <Markrian> oh dear
[05:00] <jobezone> alterim, but I don't know if this is it
[05:01] <dcraven> Anubis, I don't have mozplugger installed here.
[05:01] <deFrysk> mozplugger should be removed in hoary
[05:02] <Den-Dens> Hy I am trying to create a starter for a bin file this is what I got so far but it doesn't work anyone know how it has to be -->ln -s/home/ruben/Games/tacticalops/System/to-bin
[05:02] <dcraven> deFrysk, is it deprecated?
[05:02] <deFrysk> mozilla-mplayer is to be used in hoary
[05:02] <dcraven> deFrysk, I see.
[05:02] <deFrysk> dcraven, read the wiki about this
[05:02] <dcraven> deFrysk, okay. Thanks.
[05:03] <eric> anyone here use snes9x ?  because it really don't work here :(  it just hangs imediatly after I called it
[05:03] <dcraven> Den-Dens, are you doing this in Nautilus? You can right-click and "Make Link".
[05:03] <Fator_Dee> HiddenWolf: I think it's been slashdotted a while ago
[05:03] <EvilIdler> Building a computer for grandpa. Should I risk Ubuntu? He's got one of those HP fax-scanner-printer-camera-reader-massage-chair combo things..dunno if I can expect that to work in Linux :/
[05:04] <dcraven> Den-Dens, otherwise it's "ln -s /file/to/link/to /location/of/link"
[05:04] <Den-Dens> ah ok I'll try it
[05:04] <Xappe> EvilIdler: haha, nice combination :)
[05:04] <EvilIdler> Xappe: Feck knows what it can't do :P
[05:04] <Bazzi> EvilIdler no official support from HP
[05:04] <dcraven> EvilIdler, there is a good chance that the cupsd/gimp-print combo will support the HP I think.
[05:05] <dcraven> EvilIdler, do you know the model of the printer?
[05:05] <selinium> Where does a program put its document folder?
[05:05] <mrc3> hi all! is 5.04rc1 the same as 5.04?
[05:05] <EvilIdler> dcraven: I'm trying to reach him and find out the model number
[05:05] <chiddy> if anyone has the Ubuntu final installed from the release today, could you go to System > About Gnome and tell me what version is listed for Gnome?
[05:05] <dcraven> EvilIdler, okay.
[05:05] <eric> selinium depends, /usr/share /usr/local /opt/share /opt/local look around
[05:05] <EvilIdler> dcraven: But I'll check the cups/gimp-print combination of supported hardware, then
[05:05] <selinium> cheers eric
[05:06] <eric> selinium find is your friend
[05:06] <apokryphos> mrc3: well, no -- there is a different name :). Apart from that, lotta bug fixes, some updated apps etc.
[05:06] <dcraven> selinium, you mean the documentation for the program? Or do you mean the program's saved documents?
[05:06] <mrc3> apokryphos, thanks! wanted to know if there were changes from that RC, as i just downloaded it yesterday!...
[05:07] <apokryphos> mrc3: hehe. Nevermind; you can always just update from apt, remember. No need to download an ISO again. :)
[05:07] <eric> selinium linux don't have a program file equivalent
[05:07] <dcraven> EvilIdler, www.linuxprinting.org is a great place to check for compatibility.
[05:07] <selinium> dcraven: the program documentation. I have installed jackd and i want to find the docs
[05:07] <eric> selinium everything is really spreaded around
[05:07] <dcraven> selinium, does "man jackd" work?
[05:07] <eric> selinium then go to /usr/share/doc or /usr/local/doc/program
[05:08] <EvilIdler> dcraven: Cheers
[05:08] <BassHombre> Is there a mirror I can point my sources.list at to get the 5.04 upgrade? I don't want to drive Canonical's servers into the ground... (and get the upgrade a little faster, hehe)
[05:08] <dcraven> selinium, or "info jackd".
[05:08] <selinium> dcraven: That worked! Cheers, i learn something new every day!
[05:09] <Nekohayo> BassHombre, you could add your country code to the name?
[05:09] <apokryphos> BassHombre: are you currently on hoary? There's several mirrors around the place.. gb/us/se/etc.
[05:09] <dcraven> selinium, the "man" command is a great place to start for all docs... Check "man man" for more info.
[05:09] <BassHombre> I'm currently on warty
[05:09] <selinium> dcraven && eric: thanks again for your help
[05:09] <osity> how would i setup hostbased raid on ubuntu?
[05:09] <eric> np
[05:09] <dcraven> selinium, anytime.
[05:10] <Nekohayo> BassHombre, something like countrycode.serveradress.com ?
[05:10] <eric> selinium I tought you were looking for the program directory where it stores it's module and other stuffs..
[05:10] <eric> .. but np selinium
[05:11] <selinium> eric: i was looking how to find it in the structure, yes. But i didn't know you could do it any other way!
[05:11] <eric> que fais tu ce matin
[05:11] <eric> oups sorry wrong win
[05:12] <kent> It seems I have to apt-get source rhythmbox to get a version that has the xine-backend, so that i can play radiostations with realaudio. But atleast it seems it should work.
[05:12] <dazed_> released huh
[05:12] <nikola> hoy all, installed 5.04 ubuntu a i try install sudo apt-get install xine-ui and E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:12] <nikola>  under gnome
[05:12] <dazed_> finally
[05:13] <wezzer> nikola: it seems so
[05:13] <wezzer> try command "ps xu"
[05:13] <nikola> ok man
[05:13] <DocKane> nikola, do you have synaptic running ?
[05:13] <dazed_> nikola: www.ubuntuguide.org look up how to add repositories
[05:13] <dazed_> oh wait... ur using ur apt-get or synaptic already
[05:13] <dazed_> cant do 2 things at once
[05:13] <spity> nikola: ps xa | egrep '(dpkg|apt-get)'
[05:14] <DocKane> nikola, both is not possible.
[05:14] <kkathman> hello all :)
[05:14] <spartas> how can i get the update notifier running automatically when gnome starts up (i upgraded from warty, but previously saved a gnome-session to preserve my gnome clipboard deamon)
[05:14] <zooko> /join #darcs
[05:14] <zooko> 
[05:14] <dazed_> i wonder how many upgrades come with the release if u are already on hoary
[05:14] <zooko> oops
[05:15] <calc> dazed_: if you updated yesterday probably none
[05:15] <LinuxJones> Anybody have a working Hoary Bittorrent stream for I386 ?
[05:15] <turkey_joe> are the MS true type fonts installed by default??
[05:15] <nikola> spity, 10039 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep -E (dpkg|apt-get)
[05:15] <calc> dazed_: i haven't noticed any in the past day (that i can recall)
[05:15] <kkathman> dazed_, Yanno I was going to ask that.  I went to hoary about a week or so ago, and have been updating everyday.  And there were no updates from yesterday to today :)
[05:15] <dazed_> calc really...GREAT :)
[05:15] <LinuxJones> turkey_joe, no
[05:16] <spity> nikola: that's fine, it matched itself, are you running some GUI package management tool?
[05:16] <dazed_> kkathman yeah thtas why i was wondering
[05:16] <calc> so now the question is where is breezy ;)
[05:16] <turkey_joe> how can i install them??
[05:16] <calc> more bleeding edge gnome 2.11 :)
[05:16] <turkey_joe> synaptic?
[05:16] <dazed_> i got the RC too so i figured i wouldnt need hardly any updates
[05:16] <dazed_> new gnome
[05:16] <dazed_> no way
[05:16] <kkathman> dazed_, yeah kinda surprised me since it went final...but maybe that's why
[05:17] <hohlraum> whats the dpkg command to see what package a file belongs to?
[05:17] <calc> dpkg -S
[05:17] <spity> hohlraum: dpkg -S
[05:17] <jesper> hohlraum: dpkg -S file
[05:17] <hohlraum> thanks!
[05:17] <dazed_> dpkg -L <app> ? is that what ur lookin for?
[05:17] <dazed_> that lists all the apps locations
[05:17] <bretzel> Hi there  - ubuntulinux.org is ... jammed :-)
[05:17] <calc> apt-file also gives you similar information for non-installed packages
[05:17] <dcraven> selinium, if you are a vim user, placing the following line in your ~/.bashrc will open man pages in vim, with colour syntax: export PAGER="col -b | view -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist' -"
[05:17] <kkathman> bretzel, jammed?
[05:18] <dcraven> selinium, that's one of my fav tips :)
[05:18] <DocKane> bretzel, its just very slow + timeouts
[05:18] <EvilIdler> Jammed, congested, popular?
[05:18] <chiddy> if anyone has the Ubuntu final installed from the release today, could you go to System > About Gnome and tell me what version is listed for Gnome?
[05:18] <bretzel> I mean, my browser still wait responses from the site... I guess lots of poeple try to acces the site also - :-)
[05:18] <dazed_> kkathman: espescially when updating on 56k i usually dont look forward to that hahah
[05:19] <selinium> dcraven: I am new to linux. is vim a text editor? I have been using bluefish up till now
[05:19] <dazed_> thats why i waited so long
[05:19] <kkathman> bretzel, I didnt have a problem just now
[05:19] <jsgotangco> its been slashdotted
[05:19] <kkathman> ooops but I do now
[05:19] <dcraven> selinium, yeah it is.. But you might not like it. It's kinda different than normal editors. But you can still use it for man page viewing :). Just type "ZZ" to close.
[05:19] <beowuff> selinium, Yes, vim is a text editor. If doing web pages, you'll probably like something else. However, after learning vim, it is VERY powerful.
[05:20] <libben> http://mobbad.istheshit.net/
[05:20] <kkathman> for web pages, Quanta is your best choice...very full featured
[05:20] <Bazzi> vim is for programmers on crack ;) but I like it
[05:20] <hohlraum> jobezone: i resubmitted it.
[05:20] <beowuff> I've heard nvu is very nice for html.
[05:20] <kkathman> Bazzi, lol
[05:20] <bretzel> that is strange ...
[05:20] <beowuff> Can't find an nvu port for deb or ubuntu though.
[05:20] <dcraven> We all have many different opinions on the choice of editors of course :)
[05:20] <DocKane> nano does what a editor should do
[05:21] <dcraven> nvu makes me feel dirty.
[05:21] <chiddy> beowuff, nvu is crap
[05:21] <beowuff> HAY! the web site finnaly came up... Only 5 minutes...
[05:21] <Bazzi> well, vim is great for terminal.
[05:21] <jsgotangco> nano, joe, gedit *grin*
[05:21] <calc> nano is about as useful as dos edit
[05:21] <chiddy> its getting better though, the html formatting is really crappy though
[05:21] <DocKane> anything else for masochists
[05:21] <beowuff> chiddy, what do you use?
[05:21] <chiddy> i run dreamweaver mx under Wine or just boot into Winblows :(
[05:21] <selinium> dcraven: how would i go about editting the  ~/.bashrc file?
[05:22] <eric> anyone still use emacs ?
[05:22] <chiddy> well, i should say, dreamweaver under crossover...
[05:22] <Florob> eric: sometimes...
[05:22] <beowuff> Honestly, I tend to use vim... but am lookign for others...
[05:22] <kkathman> chiddy, have you tried Quanta?  I use DWMX on my WIn box, and Quanta is very similar...even has CSS helps and formatting
[05:22] <dcraven> selinium, you could probably open it in bluefish or any other editor. Try typing "nano ~/.bashrc" to use a fairly simple editor called nano.
[05:22] <chiddy> really? i'll give it a try...
[05:23] <spanglesontoast> why use dreamweaver it sucks
[05:23] <eric> I never  managed to make my way through menu..  I don't know..  and since I don't know lisp I never got into it...
[05:23] <chiddy> i like it, better than Frontpage at least...
[05:23] <spanglesontoast> theres bluefish
[05:23] <spanglesontoast> for linux
[05:23] <nullaresnata> Hello, how do I configure the console keyboard layout, because I have no dead tilde.
[05:23] <spanglesontoast> and debian
[05:23] <spartas> i usually use vim when i ssh, but when i'm here i use eclipse (it's got great php and html syntax highlighting)
[05:23] <kkathman> chiddy, I started using it to see if I liked it better than Zend which I own. And believe it or not I do. Like DWMX it has code view, design view and split
[05:24] <chiddy> are they wysiwyg though? i always thought QUanta and Bluefish were like coding stuff
[05:24] <calc> nullaresnata: probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-common
[05:24] <sig> is there anything special I need to do to my sources.list to do an apt-get distupgrade ?
[05:24] <beowuff> eclipse sounds like a winner. I'm really not into wysiwyg. I'd rather go code diving.
[05:24] <kkathman> chiddy, but its not drag and drop WYSIWYG like DW's GUI, so you are more "coding" but I like that
[05:24] <dcraven> chiddy, coding.. ewwww! :)
[05:24] <nullaresnata> Hummm. Gonna give it a try.
[05:24] <nullaresnata> Thanks.
[05:24] <selinium> dcraven: the export command, is that last '-' needing a switch character?
[05:24] <spanglesontoast> use a notepad if your that scared
[05:24] <calc> nullaresnata: maybe console-data too, one of those should do it
[05:25] <chiddy> i'm fine with that, but does Quanta need KDE, I use Gnome
[05:25] <kkathman> chiddy, if you want that WYSIWYG then best stay with DWMX
[05:25] <eric> dpkg-reconfigure console-data ??
[05:25] <sig> anyone know if there is anything special I need to do in order to do an apt-get distupgrade?
[05:25] <spanglesontoast> bluefish uses gnome
[05:25] <benjanet> how do i add frequency scaling for the gnome applet to work...i have a PIV notebook
[05:25] <killefiz> anyone here running openwrt-experimental on an asus wl500g-deluxe?
[05:25] <kkathman> chiddy, I run KDE, so I cant tell you if it requires it, but it may
[05:25] <killefiz> err - wrong channel
[05:25] <dcraven> selinium, you should be able to paste the command I gave exactly... Hold up and I'll give you the exact line to paste into the file.
[05:25] <nullaresnata> Nope.
[05:25] <nullaresnata> Still the sam.
[05:25] <nullaresnata> Still the same.
[05:26] <dcraven> export PAGER="col -b | view -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist' -"
[05:26] <calc> oh :\
[05:26] <dcraven> selinium, there it is.
[05:26] <nullaresnata> I have the tilde, but it does not function as an accent (for portuguese).
[05:26] <dcraven> selinium, quotes and all.
[05:26] <chiddy> ya it does need KDE
[05:26] <chiddy> i'll try out bluefish then :)
[05:26] <nullaresnata> In X everything is fine.
[05:26] <sig> Can anyone help with apt-get distupgrade ?
[05:26] <calc> nullaresnata: maybe you should email the mailing list about it
[05:26] <andreasdd> How do i mount an extra partition?
[05:26] <kkathman> chiddy, heres quanta's web page for whatever its worth http://quanta.sourceforge.net/
[05:26] <jobezone> hohlraum, you there?
[05:26] <beowuff> bluefish is gtk.
[05:26] <dcraven> selinium, that of course assumes you have vim installed... hehe. I can't remember if it is there by default. I'd hope so.
[05:26] <selinium> Cheers, that last - looked like it needed a character after it! :) What do I konw! :)
[05:27] <nullaresnata> What mailing list?
[05:27] <jobezone> hohlraum, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:27] <dcraven> selinium, no. I know it looks weird.
[05:27] <selinium> I do have vim installed
[05:27] <bretzel> cheers. :-) need to rest before going to work :-)
[05:27] <nullaresnata> (the address of it, I mean)
[05:27] <dcraven> selinium, now when you open a new terminal that .bashrc will be "sourced" and commands in there will be run automatically. To "source" it in your current terminal, type "source ~/.bashrc".
[05:28] <dcraven> selinium, then it will work for all man pages.
[05:28] <dcraven> And now I must go pee.
[05:28] <calc> nullaresnata: i don't recall the address but its on ubuntulinux.org site (which is hammered right now)
[05:28] <beowuff> YEAY! I've got the download going!
[05:28] <nullaresnata> oh, ok.
[05:28] <nullaresnata> cool.
[05:29] <nullaresnata> Thanks a lot for the help, though.
[05:29] <Florob> may be a silly question, but: how can i controle volume? The mixer applet doesn't really work (if I have it set to pcm it will have no sound on min, but no regulation in between, anything else won't work at all). Also I'm wondering why there is only OSS and ALSA and no ESD.
[05:29] <LinuxJones> Anybody have a working Hoary Bittorrent stream for I386 ?
[05:29] <selinium> dcraven: ok, linux seems to be so much more powerful than windows, for years they have been taking away functionalities like this
[05:29] <Nekohayo> LinuxJones, did you look at cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[05:29] <calc> nullaresnata: http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[05:29] <Fator_Dee> I suppose the upgrading to hoary leaves all the old configurations untouched? (iptables, pppconfs, etc)
[05:30] <LinuxJones> Nekohayo, yeah but it's overrun atm it seems :)
[05:30] <calc> nullaresnata: or you can use the web forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:30] <t3rror_> i am having trouble with the time on my machine.  how do I tell it to go out and check with a ntp server every 30 mins?
[05:30] <nullaresnata> Gonna give it a try.
[05:30] <nullaresnata> Thanks.
[05:30] <Nekohayo> LinuxJones, right, I see they're being slashdotted/osnewsed :)
[05:31] <deFrysk> t3rror_, afaik you are connected to an ntp server
[05:31] <libben> is it released? / yawns... just woke up
[05:31] <sig> can anyone tell me how to upgrade from warty to the new release via apt?
[05:31] <t3rror_> well, it is not updating my time then
[05:31] <LinuxJones> Nekohayo, yeah I want to join the stream to offer some bandwidth for a few days
[05:31] <Nekohayo> LinuxJones, look there! it's in the first comment http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/08/1213250.shtml?tid=162&tid=121&tid=106
[05:31] <t3rror_> i am running at 100% cpu load almost all day long, and i know that this is causing it to get behind
[05:31] <t3rror_> i was just wanting to tell it to go out and get the correct time at 30 min intervals
[05:31] <micro> hello, does anyone knows the package name for lspci ?
[05:32] <louis_> hi
[05:32] <dcraven> selinium, yeah. But in fairness, Windows has other strengths. Just none that I care about :)
[05:32] <Fator_Dee> sig: edit the sources.list from warty to hoary, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:32] <kkathman> sig best way I believe is to just change lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list and do and apt-get update, then an apt-get dist-upgrade I reckon
[05:32] <smo_> micro:  pciutils  (for reference, dpkg -S `which lspci`)
[05:32] <sig> Fator_Dee: doing apt-get update will update my sources.lost to hoary?
[05:32] <Nekohayo> um.. I see the next release is going to be Breezy.. Wasn't it supposed to be Grumpy before?
[05:32] <Fator_Dee> sig: yes
[05:32] <deFrysk> sources.lost :s
[05:33] <sig> kkathman: where is a list of hoary sources.list i can look at?
[05:33] <chiddy> how can i install bluefish on ubuntu?
[05:33] <dcraven> selinium, if you are new to Linux, then there is much more in store for you assuming you stick to it. You'll never learn it all.. hehe
[05:33] <Fator_Dee> I mean no, you have to manually edit the sources.list
[05:33] <kkathman> sig, change where it says "warty" in sources.list and then just replace with "hoary"
[05:33] <micro> thanks
[05:33] <Ng> is metacity broken in hoary? I can't move any windows ;)
[05:33] <sig> kkathman: thats all I have to do?
[05:33] <dazed> whats the command  to get a PID list?
[05:33] <Ng> dazed: ps auwx
[05:33] <Ng> (that'll be a full list of processes)
[05:34] <kkathman> sig ubuntu makes it pretty easy, I changed about 10-12 days ago and thats all I did.  You could install from a new ISO I guess
[05:34] <dcraven> LinuxJones, there are torrent files here if you want to join and can't get them from the Ubuntu site due to overload --> 	http://tinyurl.com/6xsdw
[05:34] <LinuxJones> dcraven, thanks a bunch :)
[05:34] <t3rror_> sig, i would just update my sources.list and go from there
[05:34] <kkathman> sig I could send you my sources.list file if you would like
[05:34] <t3rror_> i did a couple of days ago, and it was a smooth process
[05:34] <dcraven> LinuxJones, no problem.
[05:35] <faked_> hi, I just installed egroupware. how can I access egroupware through a webbrowser? I couldn?t find I dir. in /var/www/?
[05:35] <t3rror_> didn't even have to restart
[05:35] <kkathman> sig, or give you the contents in a PM
[05:35] <EvilIdler> Ahh. 1500 peers on the Ubuntu torrent for i386 install :)
[05:35] <t3rror_> well, kinda didn't
[05:35] <selinium> dcraven: In the jackd file it says to set JACK_START_SERVER in your environment. How do i do that?
[05:35] <sig> ok
[05:35] <dcraven> linux_mafia, I grabbed 'em early :)
[05:35] <dcraven> err.. LinuxJones .
[05:35] <sig> t3rror_: there is no such on that page that you pasted
[05:35] <gds> Do you know a fast repository in Italy (Naples)?
[05:35] <t3rror_> hang on
[05:36] <Hannes_> gds: define fast
[05:36] <t3rror_> www.ubuntuguide.org/index.html#upgradewartytohoary
[05:36] <dcraven> selinium, using that export command.. like "export JACK_START_SERVER="whatever".
[05:36] <kkathman> wow I'd say that the ubuntu web site is a but innudated at the moment :)
[05:36] <cartman> hmm is the new unstable branch already open?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> breezy?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> NOT YET
[05:36] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:36] <dcraven> selinium, that will set that env variable in your current terminal. Add the export command to your .bashrc as we just did with the PAGER variable to have it apply to all new terminals automatically.
[05:36] <chiddy> to install bluefish do i just install the bluefish_1.0_unoficial-1_i386.deb frile from their website or is there a repositary i can use to keep it updated easier
[05:36] <kkathman> cartman, yes
[05:37] <gds> Hannes_, ops... I mean a repository not a long way from Naples :-)
[05:37] <Hannes_> when does breezy open?
[05:37] <cartman> kkathman: whats the name for sources.list ?
[05:37] <t3rror_> sig > they moved the url try this > http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#upgradewartytohoary
[05:37] <kkathman> cartman, are you currently on hoary?
[05:37] <cartman> kkathman: yeah
[05:37] <dcraven> selinium, to see what the env variable is currently set to, type "echo $JACK_START_SERVER"... note the '$' there.
[05:37] <sig> cool
[05:37] <t3rror_> do you see it now?
[05:37] <jago25_98> A daemon process cashed, so now "/etc/init.d/foo restart" doesn't work. Work do I do?
[05:37] <Hannes_> gds: but nowdays it doesn't matter that much ( the geography) exept mabye if you are on a 100Mbps line
[05:38] <selinium> dcraven: ok, one mo.
[05:38] <kkathman> cartman, ok if you go into  you /etc/apt/sources.list file you'll see a couple of lines that need to be uncommented out...the comments before that should direct you nicely
[05:38] <kkathman> cartman, should be toward the top of the file
[05:38] <cartman> kkathman: oh I removed those comments already :D
[05:38] <gds> Hannes_, with sid I downloaded 500Kbyte/s at the same location... now 20kbyte
[05:38] <cartman> kkathman: care to share?
[05:38] <kkathman> cartman, then you should be all set
[05:38] <dcraven> selinium, to see all currently set environment variables, type "env". I could go on forever here...haha
[05:39] <cartman> kkathman: I want to use latest development release, hoary is stable now :/
[05:39] <Tux-Rox> Today is the first day in the past six months that I ran synaptic and there were no updates!!!  :-)
[05:39] <kkathman> cartman, right. I had the others that were already in that file, and I havent changed those.
[05:39] <Se7h> hey there
[05:39] <Se7h> question
[05:39] <cartman> kkathman: ok
[05:40] <hohlraum> jobezone: yeah i know the url now.  some rease my bugs aren't showing up on gnome's bugzilla the way they should be.
[05:40] <dcraven> Tux-Rox, tell me about it.. For once my menu.lst won't get overwritten!
[05:40] <Se7h> was gnuradio modified from the "original package" ?
[05:40] <kkathman> cartman, I did hear that marilat was going hoary...or already has...I cant confirm that though
[05:40] <cartman> kkathman: ewww that will suck
[05:41] <cartman> kkathman: no marillat for ubuntu development release :(
[05:41] <libben> Anyone uses kde in here on ubuntu?
[05:41] <kkathman> cartman, I think all that really means is that things that were running well under warty will be available, but then Im not sure ..I never used marilat
[05:42] <vrln> libben: join #kubuntu
[05:42] <deFrysk> libben, /j #kubuntu
[05:42] <deFrysk> :D
[05:42] <t3rror_> wow the repository servers are getting hammered
[05:42] <Epicenter> Hello, I was wondering perhaps someone could help me out with something? ...
[05:42] <libben> lol
[05:42] <vrln> t3rror_: bittorrent \o/
[05:42] <vrln> I've been seeding the iso:s for a while already :)
[05:42] <t3rror_> i am just upgrading some packages
[05:42] <Epicenter> I got this new Hedgehog 5.something build of Kubuntu and when I try to run the i386 or AMD64 liveCDs I get 2 distint problems.
[05:42] <t3rror_> i am already running hoary
[05:42] <kkathman> cartman, frankly Im a bit squeamish using anything but ubuntu sources, for stability's sake basically
[05:42] <Epicenter> On the AMD64 one, the system stops responding at trying to read the hardware clock
[05:43] <Epicenter> I read a thread about it and saw no fix
[05:43] <cartman> kkathman: marillat has politically bad stuff for Ubuntu
[05:43] <cartman> kkathman: libavcodec,xvid etc
[05:43] <Epicenter> On the i386 front, X comes up and it's all vertical colored lines. I can move the mouse and see different corruption or kill X but no output appears and I can't find the problem.
[05:43] <Epicenter> None of this happens in Debian.
[05:43] <kkathman> cartman, yes so I've heard...same for the debian sources...so I stick with ubuntu sources.
[05:43] <LinuxJones> I seem to be around 35 Kb/s down and 17 up
[05:43] <cartman> kkathman: I mix fine here
[05:44] <selinium> dcraven: what would i need to put in the quotes? or nothing?
[05:44] <Dalkus> Now that hoary is released.... If i was running hoardy as beta... do I need to do anything other than apt-get update, apt-get upgrade ?
[05:44] <dcraven> selinium, for jackd? Let me look at the man page a sec.
[05:44] <whiskers> i have been trying to get gstreamer working...still shoutcast comes in with streamtuner but not icecast
[05:44] <kkathman> cartman, Im still reasonably new to Linux, so before I start venturing off, I tend to be a little more conservative in the interest of stability and being dangerous :)
[05:44] <vrln> Dalkus: nope, if your apt sources already points to hoary
[05:44] <deFrysk> feels strange though , no more huge updates/grades
[05:44] <cartman> kkathman: yup Ubuntu is right for you then :)
[05:45] <Epicenter> I cannot explain any of this at all .. everyone else seems to just grab the CDs and run with it. No such luck for me.
[05:45] <dcraven> selinium, yeah, in this case, either nothing or anything. As long as it is defined.
[05:45] <whiskers> well anyway it is a small improvement....but cupid crashes for some reason
[05:45] <gds> I'm trying to download from: http://cdn.mirror.garr.it ... (100kbyte/s)... but I received an error (gpg)
[05:45] <selinium> dcraven: cheers
[05:45] <cartman> gds: re download
[05:45] <Dalkus> vrln, thanks
[05:46] <whiskers> does cupid require a video tuner card or is it possible to make it work without one
[05:46] <gds> Is it sure to download if I received that error? ... I did 3 times apt-get update
[05:46] <cartman> ok see you guys
[05:46] <nekohayo> um, somehow I can't issue /msg chanserv help   (I'm a registered user though)... any ideas where the problem might reside?
[05:47] <Epicenter> can no one help me?
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. some how the GLX part of my nvidia driver isent working. even tho the rest of the driver is.  it was working last week. thinking some upgrade messed with somthing. ANyone else heard of this issue?
[05:47] <Pluk> hmm screem is a really nice html editor
[05:47] <Epicenter> No one even replies, or says hello, here, #kubuntu, or the forums :(
[05:47] <AstralJava> Epicenter: Could you please repeat your problem, I just came to the channel.
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> Hello Epicenter  :
[05:47] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, what's wrong ?
[05:47] <nekohayo> Epicenter: please tell me the problem
[05:47] <Nermal> Epicenter, boot with pci=noacpi noapic ?
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> Hello Epicenter  :)
[05:47] <Epicenter> pardon my flood:
[05:47] <Epicenter> Hello, I was wondering perhaps someone could help me out with something? ...
[05:47] <Epicenter> I got this new Hedgehog 5.something build of Kubuntu and when I try to run the i386 or AMD64 liveCDs
[05:47] <Epicenter> I get 2 distint problems. On the AMD64 one, the system stops responding at trying to read the hardware clock I read a thread
[05:47] <Epicenter> about it and saw no fix. On the i386 front, X comes up and it's all vertical colored lines. I can
[05:47] <Epicenter> move the mouse and see different corruption or kill X but no output appears and I can't find the
[05:47] <Epicenter> problem. None of this happens in Debian. My hardware is an Athlon 64, Chaintech VNF3-250 board (socket 754, nforce 3), and an XFX 6600GT on AGP.
[05:47] <Epicenter> C+P'ed.
[05:47] <Pluk> but are there any other html editors thats are kinda like dreamwaver?
[05:47] <dazed> Epicenter: everyone replies
[05:48] <dcraven> Epicenter, all who know the answer will help.
[05:48] <nekohayo> Pluk: haven't found any that's as good, and believe me I tried ;) bluefish is mostly okay, but IT LAGS! urgh!
[05:48] <nekohayo> Pluk: so I resigned to installing the old dreamweaver MX with crossover
[05:48] <Epicenter> It just seemed like I was taking backseat to How to Torrent the Magical Hedehog Build ;)
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> as for the clock - ive seen a similer issue. - THinking theres something different in how some amd64 motherboards handle the clocks.
[05:48] <dcraven> Pluk, crossover works if you need Dreamweaver.
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> Epicenter,  personally ive given up on the 64bit disrtos for now - till things get more tested.
[05:49] <Pluk> would like to goo all linux stuff :) and indeed bluefish was laggy
[05:49] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, for the X problem I would try the vesa driver for your video card. It ususally works on most video cards (not very well tho)
[05:49] <Epicenter> I would have to custom edit the XF86Config-4 on the live CD?
[05:49] <Epicenter> and reburn?
[05:49] <zooko> i'm running hoaryish warty on Athlon64 right now.
[05:49] <zooko> 
[05:49] <dazed> yeah really the 64 bit dont work to well
[05:49] <Neil3> Pluk, check out NVU
[05:49] <Pluk> untill now i think screem is best :) but would love to see some alternatives
[05:49] <kkathman> Pluk, try Quanta under KDE
[05:49] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, your using the warty live cd ?
[05:49] <Epicenter> too many things are broken in 64-bit builds?
[05:49] <roger> Nvu is the closest thing I've seen to dreamweaver
[05:50] <Epicenter> Linux: I am using hoary
[05:50] <kkathman> Pluk, its very comparable to DW...I use both
[05:50] <Pluk> thx  ill try both nvu and quanta
[05:50] <zooko> Epicenter: what's broken for you?
[05:50] <zooko> 
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> Epicenter,  well often its more if a 'to cutting edge' in many ways.
[05:50] <Epicenter> I dunno, I can't even get to X
[05:50] <Epicenter> it crashes at reading the hardware clock
[05:50] <selinium> dcraven: I dont think it worked :( i typed $JACK_START_SERVER and nothing happened...?
[05:50] <Epicenter> documented bug but ti seems no one is fixing it
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> and there are a few programs out that really dont work well with the 64 stuff yet.
[05:50] <Epicenter> and i386 gives me the total screen X corruption
[05:50] <dcraven> Pluk, there are a few attempts like nvu, bluefish, quanta, screem, peacock, etc but some are in fairly early development.
[05:50] <Epicenter> So I can use AMD64 and have it lock up or i386 and have no video
[05:50] <dcraven> selinium, what are you attempting to do?
[05:50] <Epicenter> Do I have to edit the xf86config-4 to get VESA Going on teh livedisc?
[05:51] <Epicenter> or is there none?
[05:51] <Epicenter> (Should I just use warty?)
[05:51] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, change your video driver to vesa in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf and try starting X again
[05:51] <jesper> Epicenter: newer is allways better.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> you can proberly tell the livecd some boot time options to make it  use whatever X server you want.
[05:51] <selinium> dcraven: Firstly thanks for putting up with all these questions!
[05:51] <kkathman> Pluk, you shouldnt expect everything you get in DW tho...DWMX is an awesome dev environment
[05:51] <Alessio> ubuntulinux.org
[05:51] <Epicenter> LinuxJones: this is going to be in the ramdisk? I can edit it?
[05:51] <dcraven> selinium, as in, what did you want to see as output from typing that?
[05:51] <Epicenter> I am on a Live CD after all
[05:51] <Alessio> is busy
[05:51] <Alessio> :DD
[05:51] <Pluk> to be honost i never used dreamweaver :)
[05:51] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, your i386 is a live cd ?
[05:52] <jesper> Epicenter: Have you tried the Hoary install CD's?
[05:52] <Epicenter> both are
[05:52] <Epicenter> No, I haven't
[05:52] <dcraven> selinium, typing "echo $JACK_START_SERVER" will show you the value that you set it to.
[05:52] <Epicenter> I cannot install yet, I need to defrag and resize my XP partition.
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> test out some other live cd's see if they work. (like knoppix. and morphix) perhaps its just a kernel issue with the ubuntu livecd
[05:52] <dcraven> selinium, note the "echo" part.
[05:52] <Epicenter> So I am trying out how Ubuntu works on a CD, or trying to :(
[05:52] <selinium> dcraven: i am trying to get rosegarden4 running on my pc.  OK
[05:52] <Pluk> i just started building my site yesterday..with screem and it looks sweet, both screem and the site but a wysiwyg would be nice
[05:52] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $ gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[05:52] <sig> sudo: apt-key: command not found
[05:52] <sig> gpg: [stdout] : write error: Broken pipe
[05:52] <sig> gpg: iobuf_flush failed on close: file write error
[05:52] <sig> anyone help with this?
[05:52] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, just do an install dude it's easier to fix that way and only takes about 25 mins
[05:52] <kkathman> Pluk, then bluefish under Gnome, and Quanta under KDE are your best bets then, Quanta is especially good if you are heavily into CSS (Which you should be )
[05:52] <Epicenter> I can't right now ....
[05:52] <nekohayo> kkathman: agreed. DW MX can't be compared to even quanta I think o_o
[05:52] <Epicenter> I'd lose all my data on my NTFS partition
[05:52] <Pluk> yup css all the way
[05:52] <Epicenter> it's too fragmented to resize right now
[05:53] <selinium> dcraven: it echoed nothing!
[05:53] <Epicenter> and it will be 24 hours until it is defragged fully
[05:53] <gds> I have a problem with resuming... I have move swap partition over and now the system don't boot if I don't add noresume
[05:53] <jesper> sig: sudo apt-get install apt-key
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> 24 hrs deferagging... Lol...
[05:53] <nakata> ubuntu blows....
[05:53] <nakata> my mind.
[05:53] <Epicenter> can I change teh X11 config from the live CD?
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> defragging.
[05:53] <Epicenter> or is /etc/ not in the ramdisk?
[05:53] <dcraven> selinium, did you put anything in the quotes? If not, then it should be blank :)
[05:53] <selinium> dcraven: nope, that will be why!
[05:53] <Pluk> thx for all your suggestions, gonna look into it :)
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> on the live cd - there should be some boot time options you can type in  - to tell it what X server to use.
[05:53] <Epicenter> how would I tell it?
[05:54] <Epicenter> Sorry for my n00bishness. I swear I know my way around Debian
[05:54] <dcraven> selinium, and that's fine. The man page just says that it needs to be defined, so empty quotes should work.
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> i do beluve they state in the boot menu to hit F3 for options.. or check the live cd docs/forum
[05:54] <Epicenter> I'll try that, I suppose. Thanks, brb if it doesn't take
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> they are useing the same 'magic options' that knoppix and other live debian based cd's use
[05:55] <beowuff> Yeay, torrent working... Slow, but working...
[05:55] <dcraven> selinium, to see that the env variable is set, type "env | grep JACK" and you should see output like "JACK_START_SERVER=" assuming you used empty quotes.
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> I got an AMD64 and Nvidia 6800 GT video cards and the live cd's worked.. but I do rember the clock issue.. I think thats a MB/bios issue.
[05:55] <sig> jesper: no such package dude
[05:56] <selinium> dcraven: Yep, that is what i got!
[05:56] <sig> where is this apt-key ?
[05:56] <dcraven> selinium, fun eh? lol
[05:56] <MFen> holy crap, that's a lot of people
[05:56] <MFen> congrats on release #2
[05:57] <selinium> dcraven: yep loads! It's always more fun if it doesn't work straight form the box!
[05:57] <jesper> sig apt-file search apt-key
[05:57] <dcraven> MFen, thanks, but I really had little to do with it.. heh
[05:57] <sig> jesper: I did and it returns nothing
[05:57] <MFen> dcraven: don't be modest now
[05:57] <dcraven> selinium, yeah, good times. ;P
[05:57] <dcraven> MFen, heh
[05:57] <jesper> sig, have you updated sources.list to hoary?
[05:57] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $ apt-file search apt-key
[05:57] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $
[05:57] <MFen> "woobuntu."  <-- feel free to use that in web banners
[05:58] <sig> jesper: your not supposed to do that until after you run these commands
[05:58] <selinium> dcraven: so, as i read it, if anything requires the jack server it should start automatiucally now.. right?
[05:58] <gds> How can I listen m4a files?
[05:59] <jesper> sig: do you have a direct url?the webserver sucks at the moment.
[05:59] <wdh> can anyone inform me about the best way to check whether a hdd is working correctly?
[05:59] <sig> jesper: no I don't
[05:59] <darko__> what is the best patchset for multimedia/3d gaming in linux? ac/mm/ck/cko/etc ?
[06:00] <tomek> hi all - is anybody avare if fglrx ati driver provided with Ubuntu will freeze my laptop after suftware suspend (as it usually does with other distros ...) ?
[06:00] <dcraven> selinium, hmmm.. I dunno how it needs to be started. I think it might depend on the app. I have it installed for some reason but it's not currently running.
[06:00] <tomek> (sorry for my ortography)
[06:00] <mercurus> tomek, if it is an ATI driver issue, then it will be exactly the same ...
[06:00] <LinuxJones> wdh, hdparm -Tt /dev/hdx
[06:00] <vrln> darko__: ck imo
[06:01] <vrln> darko__: at least for general desktop interactivity/multimedia
[06:01] <dcraven> selinium, there are several commands that look related to jackd. Type "jack[TAB] [TAB] " to see them where [TAB]  is you actually pressing the TAB key. Each of those seem to have its own man page.
[06:01] <dcraven> selinium, I really have no idea what jackd even is.
[06:02] <dholbach> bye
[06:02] <darko__> hmm vrln, have you tried at least the listed ones too ? :)
[06:02] <jesper> sig, what guide are you following then?
[06:02] <nakata> the installer in french seems to be missing a couple translations in hoary/expert install
[06:02] <selinium> dcraven: it is a sound server
[06:02] <sig> jesper: right off of the ubuntuguide.org
[06:03] <vrln> darko__: yup, ac and mm have nothing to do with being meant for multimedia etc
[06:03] <vrln> darko__: and cko is just ck with additional things like reiser4
[06:03] <vrln> darko__: most (ie, all) desktop patchsets you'll find are based on ck, in other words they just add some non-performance related patches to ck
[06:03] <dcraven> selinium, maybe this forum thread can help better than I can? --> http://tinyurl.com/4fxws
[06:04] <selinium> dcraven: i will have a look thanks for all your help!
[06:04] <jesper> sid, I'd bet that apt-key is available in the hoary repositories
[06:04] <wwise> Hi folks.  To upgrade my 5.04 beta install to the release do I just need to do sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:04] <sig> jesper: yeah probably
[06:04] <sig> I'll figure it out
[06:04] <dcraven> selinium, good. I'll keep that thread open here too just in case :)
[06:04] <sig> no biggy
[06:04] <kkathman> nekohayo, Yep, would be very nice if there were even a commerical package on Linux that was like DWMX
[06:04] <dcraven> selinium, and no problem.
[06:05] <Absenth> anyone know when to expect dist-upgrade to breezy will be working?
[06:05] <Nekohayo> kkathman, I'm waiting for the day macromedia STARTS their linux linue of products.
[06:05] <dcraven> Absenth, jumping the gun a bit? haha
[06:05] <sig> Absenth: who is breezy?
[06:05] <vrln> Absenth: last time it took a few weeks, let the devs have a holiday first :)
[06:05] <dcraven> No rest for the wicked.
[06:05] <Absenth> dcraven, what can I say,  I like bleeding.
[06:06] <arangel> hi
[06:06] <dcraven> Absenth, no doubt I'll be all over it too, but give 'em time to deal with this release rush first.
[06:06] <arangel> I need some help with gdm and pam
[06:07] <arangel> I need to setup ubuntu to authenticate to my ldap server
[06:07] <Absenth> dcraven, I figured it would take some time.just trying to get a general idea.  "A few weeks" is good enough for me.
[06:07] <Epicenter> No luck, there is no listed boot option to pick VESA X server that I can see.
[06:07] <Absenth> Thanks all.
[06:07] <arangel> can anyone help?
[06:07] <darko__> vrln: hmm, thanks, you would'nt happen to know of some patches i should add to ck too, like captive-ntfs? also should i download the latest kernel, or would i be better off going with 2.6.11.x perhaps? i'm just trying to squeeze all the power i can out of my system and it's kind'a hard knowing what is fastest/most suited (you know, it's not certain 2.6.12 is fatsre than 2.6.11 etcetc)
[06:07] <Fator_Dee> hmmm, sould I be worried when apt says "Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386, linux-image-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386, linux-restricted-modules-386, linux-386, nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[06:07] <jordan> dcraven: hey thanks for helping me earlier, the keyboard fix didn't work
[06:08] <dcraven> jordan, same error or a new one now?
[06:08] <Epicenter> Is there any logical reason the same nv driver doesn't work in Ubuntu or Kubuntu and it worked in Debian? :P
[06:08] <Epicenter> Because it's royally baffling
[06:08] <wwise> Hi folks.  To upgrade my 5.04 beta install to the release do I just need to do sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:08] <arangel> wwise, yes thats about it
[06:08] <Fator_Dee> wwise: edit the sources.list first
[06:08] <kkathman> wwise, yes thats correct
[06:08] <arangel> if you have the repositories ofcourese
[06:08] <arangel> :)
[06:09] <wwise> k, thx
[06:09] <arangel> *course
[06:09] <kkathman> Epicenter, I cant think of a logic reason
[06:09] <wwise> Do I need to change repositories to get this to work?
[06:09] <malte`> hi, anyone tried to start gnome-terminal within XFCE? terminal font is smaller than in GNOME, even if i "started GNOME services"...
[06:09] <arangel> yes
[06:09] <smo_> Epicenter: debian still uses xf68-dfsg .. hoary uses Xorg.  So there may be less-than-subtle differences between them
[06:09] <xophEr> how do I add the interface 'nas0' to ifconfig?
[06:09] <vrln> darko__: if you mean performance related patches, I'm not aware of anything. A kernel can't really make your system any faster and nor can any human notice a speed difference between various kernel versions - check http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
[06:09] <arangel> wwise, you should edit /etc/apt/source.list and add the hoary
[06:09] <wdh> does anyone know of a tool that tests my harddrive like memtest tests memory?
[06:09] <arangel> repositories
[06:09] <zooko> /join #haskell
[06:09] <zooko> 
[06:09] <zooko> oops
[06:09] <arangel> wwise, you can find the on the ubuntu wiki
[06:10] <wwise> arangel, if I'm using the hoary beta will they already be properly configured?
[06:10] <arangel> wwise, yes you can just upgrade then
[06:10] <wwise> k, thx
[06:10] <vrln> darko__: but the ck patchset does make a difference imo, I've used it for a long time and can highly recommend con kolivas's patchset
[06:10] <wwise> This is almost like Gentoo ;-)
[06:10] <dcraven> malte`, is gnome-settings-daemon running? I think this problem sounds remotely familiar.
[06:10] <kkathman> Epicenter, oh I just read your question again, thought it said you had it working in ubuntu...there are some core differences in debian and ubuntu ... its why you just cant use anything in the debian libs..especially system architecture things
[06:10] <Epicenter> oy.
[06:10] <wwise> Only I assume you can't emerge your way to oblivion as easily
[06:10] <Epicenter> Is there a way to go from NV to VESA from the LiveCD?
[06:11] <Epicenter> I'm told that's what's broken.
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> i think ive stumbled onto a debian backage -> messign with ubutu also. :P
[06:11] <malte`> it is dcraven
[06:11] <Epicenter> and I need to get the nV closed source build later and use VESA for 2D
[06:11] <Epicenter> which is fine, I just want to see how Ubuntu's package handling works
[06:11] <kkathman> Epicenter, now why that is the case, I dont know..but thats what's been told to me by the gurus
[06:11] <vrln> wwise: ubuntu is getting popular, it won't take long until ubuntu "fanboys" will have a reputation like the gentoo ones :)
[06:11] <Epicenter> but I cannot install until this accursedly long degrag finishes
[06:11] <darko__> vrln: ok. what about... should i select XFS or ReiserFS4 if i want more FPS, faster video etc :/ if you know..
[06:11] <Epicenter> *defrag
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu's package handling uses good old "apt-get" so it handles them all the same as any otehr debian based disrto basicially
[06:11] <vrln> wwise: disclaimer: I run gentoo and like it - I'm also a fan of Ubuntu though
[06:11] <arangel> can anyone help? I need to configure pam and gdm so I can login on my server using an account that's there? :0
[06:12] <calc> vrln: no other dist can have fanboys with reps like gentoo ;)
[06:12] <kkathman> Epicenter, ubuntu in general seems to have great difficulty with nVidia things
[06:12] <Epicenter> I'm more intersted in 'test driving' it and seeing how its automagic updating sytem operates
[06:12] <Epicenter> great :P
[06:12] <vrln> darko__: reiserfs4 is bad for interactivity, xfs is meant for high end production servers that have an uninterruptable power supply
[06:12] <Epicenter> so give up hope on ever getting any game to run in it, right?
[06:12] <jordan> dcraven: looks like i made a mistake...
[06:12] <vrln> darko__: I'm suggest using normal reiserfs, it's very good
[06:12] <calc> vrln: http://www.funroll-loops.org/ <- this is the reason why ;)
[06:12] <vrln> calc: I love that site :)
[06:13] <beowuff> Epicenter, I have no problems with my GeForce FX 5200. I've even gotten World or Warcraft to work. I have no idea what all these "problems" are about.
[06:13] <kkathman> Epicenter, I dont this that's true, tho its possible that Ubuntu might not be a gaming environment..again from what I have gleaned
[06:13] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> anyone here got the 6800 series nvidia ?
[06:13] <LinuxJones> arangel, you shouldn't need to mess about with pam to login as a user what error are you getting ?
[06:13] <smo_> Epicenter: I have doom3 running fine on a geforce4, so it's all doable.  Just the usual teething that comes with non-free drivers
[06:13] <Garathor> If i am running Warty, how can i upgrade to Hoary? Can simply i change to the Hoary-repositories, run apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade?
[06:13] <atomsk> doesnt straight nvidia drivers work out of the box on Ubuntu?
[06:13] <Sparhawk_> i've had no problem getting WoW to work with cedega
[06:14] <kkathman> beowuff its good you got yours up and goin, you might consider making a post in the Ubuntu Forms to tell how you got your environment set up..alot of people seem to have probs
[06:14] <atomsk> Garathor: yes you can...
[06:14] <darko__> vrln:hmm.. i've heard of people that get good game performance from xfs though and also to a lesser extent from reiser4 so i guess it would'nt be too unappropiate
[06:14] <vrln> calc: and yeah I know, it's almost impossible to surpass the gentoo myth - it's the bane of being source based :)
[06:14] <LinuxJones> Garathor, yeah almost right apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:14] <Epicenter> Well for now I just want X to load! :(
[06:14] <Epicenter> But, it won't.
[06:14] <atomsk> Garathor: though I suggest you keep old lines until upgrade is completed
[06:14] <jobezone> garathor, actually dist-upgrade if you want to fully upgrade your distribution.
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> holy shit
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> no updates in hoary since 24 hours ago
[06:14] <vrln> darko__: I have no idea about xfs performance, just that it's not meant to be used in normal desktops at least according to the gentoo manual
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> hmmm, sould I be worried when apt says "Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386, linux-image-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386, linux-restricted-modules-386, linux-386, nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[06:14] <Epicenter> Tons of people at SA use 6600GTs. Yet they run Ubuntu without a hitch or even a THOUGHT
[06:14] <beowuff> kkathman, all I did was follow the directions at  http://www.funroll-loops.org
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> that's a first
[06:14] <Epicenter> Drop in a CD, boom works
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> is it release time yet?
[06:14] <Epicenter> Never that luck for me
[06:14] <jobezone> garathor, just don't have universe or multiverse activated.
[06:15] <beowuff> Uh... no... at "http://ubuntuguide.org/"
[06:15] <zooko> I looked into reiser4 for my hoary box the other day, and decided it isn't really ready yet, since there is no easy way for me to get a kernel with hoary patches and also reiser4 in it...
[06:15] <zooko> 
[06:15] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, yeah today
[06:15] <calc> bluefoxicy: you are late
[06:15] <beowuff> Stinkin past buffer.
[06:15] <Garathor> Ok, thanks. What is the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:15] <kkathman> bluefoxicy, yep already happened...probably why we havent got updates :)
[06:15] <jordan> manpages tell me that to restart gdm i use "gdm-restart" i don't have that command
[06:15] <Cuga> I've been using XFS on my desktop for 3 years now, it is fine and very snappy
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> LJ, calc, kk:  I thought the release was for may
[06:15] <deFrysk> Garathor, dist-upgrade also installes/remves packages is needed
[06:15] <arangel> LinuxJones, im not getting any errors, the thing is I had a setup here, running woody and sarge workstations and they were all setup to login via kdm and authenticate to the ldap server, the home directory was mounted via nfs and all the users were using ex. /home/users/user on the server as their own directory, now I want to do that with Ubuntu and gdm.. :0
[06:15] <kkathman> Garathor, upgrade pretty much upgrades small stuff, dist-upgrade has a bigger scope
[06:16] <deFrysk> if
[06:16] <atomsk> Garathor: dist-upgrade moves to next stable release...upgrade only upgradeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees current stable release
[06:16] <calc> bluefoxicy: no they just pushed it back 2 days
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> oh
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> 5.04 is april wtf
[06:16] <Epicenter> So the simple answer is, I can't get to VESA display Server in the Live CD at all?
[06:16] <LinuxJones> Garathor, dist-upgrade does dependency stuff as it relates to different releases ie Warty and Hoary. Basically it will not only upgrade all of your current packages it will add or remove and necessary packages that are different form one release to the next.
[06:16] <Epicenter> I am screwed there?
[06:16] <darko__> Cuga: and you know what you are talking about? :)
[06:16] <darko__> i mean, have you tried reiserfs, etc..
[06:17] <beowuff> Epicenter, the errors for nvidia packeges are probably what's screwing you. Can you do a fresh install?
[06:17] <Garathor> Ok, i see. Thankyou, i'll upgrade right now. Bye :)
[06:17] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, are there any options under the help option in the Live CD. That sounds like something that could be done as a commandline option @ boot
[06:17] <Epicenter> Not until my HDD is defragged and I can free up 10 gigs
[06:17] <Epicenter> I don't see ANYTHING for picking an xserver
[06:17] <Epicenter> I find it horrifying I can't pick one
[06:17] <zooko> darko__: one person's feelings about how snappy some component seemed when they used it one day versus another component the next day probably has little relation to the actual performance of those components.
[06:17] <Epicenter> I know Ubuntu's goal is 'JUST WORK'. But That's some level of control any user should demand
[06:18] <Cuga> darko__: Yes, i've tryed reiser4 and to be honest, It didn't feel very different, so i just stuck with what I had been running for 3 years cause I've never had an FS problem and the boys at SGI are damn smart IMO, they do great things for the community
[06:18] <zooko> Epicenter: I chose an X server when installing Ubuntu.
[06:18] <beowuff> What are you using to try to pick one?
[06:18] <atomsk> Epicenter: I found the help file from nvidia complete and easy to follow when I had a nvidia card...I dont see the problem
[06:18] <zooko> I haven't tried the liveCD though.
[06:18] <Epicenter> Atomsk: I am not using nVidia's driver. I am using the NV opensorue driver on the LiveCD
[06:18] <Epicenter> I cannot compile or install nVidia's driver
[06:18] <vrln> Cuga: reiser4 uses alot of cpu cycles and thus reduces desktop interactivity as there are cpu % "spikes"
[06:18] <Epicenter> and I am not attempting to do so
[06:18] <Cuga> http://oss.sgi.com/
[06:19] <vrln> oops sorry, meant that for darko__
[06:19] <ohgood> is there a known _fast_ mirror in SE US for ubuntu x86 ? i'm only seeing 25Kbps here
[06:19] <arangel> LinuxJones, can you point me to some documentation or smth?
[06:19] <ionrock> is there a way to turn off the closing of parent folders in nautilus?
[06:19] <libben> wtf, no updates at all? i had none updates yesterday... and still nothing to update this day...
[06:19] <Epicenter> I am using NV on the LiveCD and cannot get it to stop turning my display into a spray of random colored vertical lines
[06:19] <Epicenter> that's my issue
[06:19] <DocKane> what is the symbol code in the us ? may i use utf-8 in an email to usa ?
[06:19] <atomsk> Epicenter: well a livecd IMHO is more meant to see or test stuff...its not a replacement for an actual installation
[06:19] <LinuxJones> arangel, smtp ?
[06:19] <arangel> LinuxJones, smtp?
[06:19] <ionrock> I am using the home as desktop and it closes the parent folder whenever I open a child of something
[06:20] <beowuff> Epicenter, have you looked at http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver ?
[06:20] <atomsk> Epicenter: when you use that kind of stuff you cant expect to have the same flexibility...
[06:20] <Arnia> ionrock: There is a gconf key for it
[06:20] <Epicenter> atomsk: How about someone who can't install at all yet, and doesn't want top give up 10 GB of an 80 GB disk that is near full until he knows he likes itr?
[06:20] <Epicenter> it?
[06:20] <LinuxJones> arangel, for what again ?
[06:20] <ionrock> Arnia: cool that was what I was wondering. thanks
[06:20] <arangel> LinuxJones, just a sec i ll paste
[06:20] <atomsk> Epicenter: well you should have a feel for it already...
[06:20] <Epicenter> beowuff: yes, but I AM NOT INSTALLING THE NVIDIA DRIVER ON UBUNTU
[06:20] <arangel> LinuxJones, im not getting any errors, the thing is I had a setup here, running woody and sarge workstations and they were all setup to login via kdm and authenticate to the ldap server, the home directory was mounted via nfs and all the users were using ex. /home/users/user on the server as their own directory, now I want to do that with Ubuntu and gdm.. :0
[06:20] <Epicenter> I am not installing PERIOD
[06:20] <Epicenter> I am just USING THE LIVE CD.
[06:20] <FooBarWidget> how much faster is the new ubuntu at booting?
[06:20] <Epicenter> And I want it to boot up. that's IT
[06:21] <libben> any good email client? i noticed evolution ;P is there any other to prefer?
[06:21] <FooBarWidget> compared to the previous release
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> does shipit ship powerpc/amd64 live as well now
[06:21] <Epicenter> I can handle the nVidia drier install, I've done it a million times.
[06:21] <Epicenter> But, I can't get the nv server on teh live disc to work. at all.
[06:21] <beowuff> Epicenter, then the problem is that the live cd is not meant to be messed with, only to be run. It is running from read only medium. Wait till you can install, and then try with an install cd.
[06:21] <libben> i got nvidia to work from live cd without any problems
[06:21] <Epicenter> and I cant' find out how to enable VESA instead
[06:21] <saw27> FooBarWidget: quite a bit faster from what I recall
[06:21] <spiral> hi
[06:21] <FooBarWidget> saw27: how much is "quite a bit"?
[06:21] <Epicenter> goodbye 10 gb of barely-free hard disk :P
[06:21] <LinuxJones> arangel, you have Kubuntu installed on those machines ?
[06:21] <Epicenter> for something I can't test
[06:21] <arangel> LinuxJones, Ubuntu
[06:22] <arangel> Hoary
[06:22] <jordanau> dcraven, Just wanted to let you know I am now chatting with you on X-Chat!! :D
[06:22] <Cuga> Has anybody here been able to get Firebird (mozilla calendar) to run in hoary without having do downgrade there GTK to 2.4 ?
[06:22] <FooBarWidget> are there any numbers about the improvements in startup time?
[06:22] <dcraven> jordanau, nice! What was the problem?
[06:22] <jordanau> the k
[06:22] <saw27> FooBarWidget: I haven't timed it. I remember warty feeling very slow to boot, Hoary feels fine.
[06:22] <beowuff> Epicenter, you can try on another computer. If you don't have a spare, maybe a friends?
[06:22] <Cuga> sorry Sunbird
[06:22] <dcraven> jordanau, oh. Glad that fixed it :)
[06:22] <kkathman> FooBarWidget, I think its faster, personally
[06:22] <Epicenter> I suppose I'll try my laptop but I expect compatibility failures through the roof
[06:22] <Epicenter> it is a Compaq. :P
[06:22] <dcraven> silly k's.
[06:23] <Epicenter> with obnoxious Intel hardware.
[06:23] <FooBarWidget> saw27: kkathman: can you say, at least twice as fast?
[06:23] <LinuxJones> arangel, there is Kubuntu if you want KDE installed on them if it makes life easier for you. As far as authenticating it should be almost the same as in Debian.
[06:23] <atomsk> Epicenter: just make a 4-5gb partition for the base system and later you just add a partition for your /home/user
[06:23] <arangel> LinuxJones, what if I had Kubuntu? would it work just like that if I copied the old config files from /etc/pam.d or smth
[06:23] <beowuff> Epicenter, I run ubuntu on a Sony Viao, also know for incompatability. Runs great. You might be surprised.
[06:23] <Epicenter> I hope so :D
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> "Setting up linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 (2.6.10-34) ... mkcramfs: ROM image write failed (wrote 741376 of 4403200 bytes): No space left on device?" it seems I can't install the new kernel, how can I make some space for it? can I remove some old kernels or what?
[06:23] <libben> How does Add/remove applications work under "Applications" menu?
[06:23] <kkathman> Epicenter, I just built a brand new computer with new parts 512MB, CD, 40GB HDD, ethernet for $299. and it runs Ubuntu like a charm :)
[06:23] <dcraven> jordanau, you might want to back up that xorg.conf file since now you have one that works.. That way if you break it you can revert.
[06:23] <saw27> FooBarWidget: I doubt it's that much.
[06:23] <jordanau> dcraven, Thank you so much
[06:23] <beowuff> Epicenter, Here's hoping you have a little better experience and become a convert :-)
[06:23] <Epicenter> Any idea if Ubuntu can autoconfigure an Intel pro/wireless 2200BG chipset yet? that's what my laptop has for wifi. And I don't really wnat to plug it in all the time
[06:23] <FooBarWidget> how well does ubuntu perform on a, say, pentium 400 with 180 MB RAM?
[06:23] <dcraven> jordanau, no problem. Enjoy!
[06:23] <Epicenter> but I wouild like it to be Linux only
[06:23] <jordanau> dcraven, i will definately do that
[06:23] <kkathman> FooBarWidget, I dont know that its twice as fast...but it zips pretty good on my machine...YMMV
[06:23] <ohgood> Epicenter, wouldn't this generally be a kernel version + patches issue ? i mean, heck, just install and try.
[06:23] <Epicenter> I hate running Windows on my laptop.
[06:23] <libben> is it another synaptic?
[06:24] <zooko> ohgood: I always use BitTorrent.
[06:24] <zooko> 
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view does anyone else have firefox trying to open those screenshots with image viewer, rather than in firefox
[06:24] <zooko> In my experiment, BitTorrent was substantially faster than the FTP site.
[06:24] <darko__> yeah... i've read the docs.. IN THEORY, reiser4 is fastest on systems with a lot of small files AND much CPU, and XFS is efficient on systems with large files, like videos, but uses much less cpu than reiser4 and does'nt delete as fast etc... reiserfs should be a good more for smaller files although not as optimized for that as reiser4 but maybe better with large files?? or maybe reiser4 is better than reiserfs in almost all respects. ext3 
[06:24] <darko__> never wins? Does this compare to your experiences?
[06:24] <jordanau> dcraven, do you think that it was a problem with the hoary install or something i did, is it worth submitting?
[06:24] <Epicenter> I never play games on it so I see no reason to have Windows on my laptop, but I never, ever got my wifi card going in Debian
[06:24] <ohgood> zooko, aye, bt was amazingly slow this am also, around 40Kbps
[06:24] <Epicenter> I had to use crap like Ndiswrapper or driverloader.
[06:24] <saw27> bluefoxicy: yeah, i've emailed the wemaster about it. The content-type's are wrong.
[06:24] <Epicenter> and it still never worked
[06:24] <kkathman> FooBarWidget, if you have a separate video card, I'd say you'd be ok with a low rent Desktop
[06:24] <zooko> ohgood: you have to give BT some time to ramp up, you know.
[06:24] <zooko> 
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> saw27:  ah.
[06:25] <ohgood> zooko, i gave it just over an hour.... i always do. :)
[06:25] <LinuxJones> arangel, it should be basically the same you would have to edit fstab for the home directories, check here for nfs stuff search the www.ubuntulinux.org site there are server and client howto's to get that up and running.
[06:25] <kkathman> kkathman, low-rent Desktop Manager I mean...like say XFCE
[06:25] <dcraven> jordanau, uhmm.. I doubt it. But you never know. Unless you have strong reason to suspect the vanilla install process, I wouldn't bother. Just remember the solution in case anyone else in here needs it ;)
[06:25] <zooko> ohgood: ok.  :-)
[06:25] <i3dmaster> I saw this when I did upgrade.. "Fetched 662kB in 49710d 6h28m15s (0B/s)". What would be the problem?
[06:25] <kkathman> ughh
[06:25] <Fator_Dee> "Setting up linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 (2.6.10-34) ... mkcramfs: ROM image write failed (wrote 741376 of 4403200 bytes): No space left on device?" it seems I can't install the new kernel, how can I make some space for it? can I remove some old kernels or what?
[06:25] <jordanau> dcraven, sounds good
[06:25] <kkathman> FooBarWidget, low-rent Desktop Manager I mean...like XFCE
[06:25] <zooko> ohgood: Still, my prejudice is that you should leave the BT d/l running while you search for a faster FTP mirror...
[06:25] <spiral> is there somewhere I can find a dvd image for ubuntu final ?
[06:26] <Epicenter> Factor_Dee: If you aren't using the kernels and they are not referenced in /etc/lilo.conf go for it
[06:26] <ohgood> zooko, well, actually, it's "take the dog for a walk" - > whatever that equates too ;)                  (aye, i'm chcking for mirros now)
[06:26] <darko__> Anyone agree?
[06:26] <dle--> Hi.  I have URLs for the new torrents as they were given on /.  The story didn't give md5sums, though.  Naturally, ubuntulinux.org is timing out today.  Can someone tell me what the md5sums are for 5.04-install and  5.05-live?
[06:26] <Cuga> darko__: My advice to you is just pick one and try it, you can read every article/document/oppinions you want, but in the end, its your hardware that is running it so just give it a try, if you notice somethign you are very unhappy with then switch, both riserfs riser4 and XFS are superb FSs that have their own followings of loyal people its like that with any peice of hardware/software
[06:26] <Epicenter> I find it hard to believe everyone is having such trouble getting Ubuntu. I grabbed 2 ISOs last night at 8pm at 537 KBytes/sec!
[06:26] <Fator_Dee> well, I'm not using them, I'll try to look the grub thingy. But after I have edited the grub, what can I remove and where?
[06:27] <libben> How does "Add/remove applications" work under "Applications/System tools" menu? is it just another frontend for using apt-get install?
[06:27] <Epicenter> and it only times out get'ing pages from ubuntu.com once every 100 times.
[06:27] <jesper> libben: and apt-get remove
[06:27] <Epicenter> luck?
[06:27] <LinuxJones> OMG I think there will be 700 people on here within in the next week :)
[06:27] <nakata> euhh, dle--something was released?
[06:27] <beowuff> Epicenter, what kind of wireless was that?
[06:27] <libben> so what to prefer?
[06:27] <smo_> Epicenter; I have bt 'giving back' at just shy of 600kB/s .. we're trying :)
[06:27] <libben> that or synaptic
[06:27] <kkathman> Epicenter, seems all the ancillary stories are out now, and people are flocking to the site...the server is probably very busy
[06:27] <cam1> anyone heard of any news about ati + composite?
[06:27] <ohgood> zooko, well hush my mouf- just hopped to 220Kbps.... maybe /. effect is starting (lunch time and all)   :-)
[06:27] <Epicenter> beowuff: Intel pro/wireless 2200 BG
[06:27] <libben> and why so many choices =)
[06:27] <jesper> libben: what you like best.
[06:27] <darko__> Cuga: that's not a bad idea :) i guess i'm just afraid/sick of %#%"# screwing up stuff
[06:28] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, it was slashdotted today
[06:28] <arangel> LinuxJones, thanks.
[06:28] <Epicenter> argh
[06:28] <drspin> I upgraded to Hoary a couple days ago -- since Hoary was just released today -- shouldn't there be an update or two?
[06:28] <nakata> hoary's released?
[06:28] <LinuxJones> arangel, GL...shouldn't be too much work ;)
[06:28] <beowuff> Epicenter, ubuntu website says intel ipw2200 is supported from install... Not sure if it's the same thing.
[06:28] <cam1> yes hoary is released
[06:28] <drspin> it's in the topic
[06:28] <Epicenter> beowuff: it is
[06:28] <LinuxJones> drspin, nope
[06:28] <kkathman> Epicenter, Gradually US east coast woke up..and saw it, just about now the west coast is getting into it
[06:28] <nakata> there's a topic here?
[06:28] <dcraven> drspin, not much has changed in the last day or two.
[06:28] <Epicenter> beowuff: But Iw onder if it's broken like the IPW2200 BG sourceforge project is
[06:28] <drspin> ok :)
[06:28] <nakata> omg, it's like learning so muchx0r...
[06:29] <Fator_Dee> Epicenter: gedit says that I can't save the menu.lst because there's no space :-(
[06:29] <ohgood> kkathman, aye
[06:29] <dcraven> nakata, type "/topic".
[06:29] <Epicenter> beowuff: I see a reprort of Successful installs of ipw2200 bg once a week on their mailing list
[06:29] <AstralJava> beowuff, Epicenter: I installed a few days ago on Dell laptop that has ipw2200 on it, works.
[06:29] <Epicenter> one a fucking week!
[06:29] <Epicenter> ONE!
[06:29] <Epicenter> :P
[06:29] <beowuff> Epicenter, not sure, as I don't have the card. What kind of compaq laptop is it?
[06:29] <Epicenter> X1360 US
[06:29] <libben> lol
[06:29] <saw27> Fator_Dee: sounds like your hard disk is full! (at least, the partition containing /boot)
[06:29] <Epicenter> christ. Pollen EVERYWHERE
[06:29] <nakata> dcraven: omfgamasing
[06:29] <Epicenter> it's in my raccoon wounds!
[06:29] <Epicenter> OH GOD
[06:29] <dcraven> nakata, heh
[06:30] <dle--> what's the key ID used to sign the MD5SUMS file?
[06:30] <Fator_Dee> saw27: yes, it seems /boot is
[06:30] <libben> i have totem player installed... but it wont show up in the "application installer from/System Tools... ) bug?
[06:30] <FooBarWidget> does ubuntu use prelink, like fedora does?
[06:30] <chrissturm> fator_dee: what does df -h output?
[06:30] <Fator_Dee> /dev/hdb1              23M   23M     0 100% /boot
[06:30] <beowuff> Hmm... Doesn't show that one. Unless the x1000 counts. That one it says works with everything but suspend and modem. Modem just not tested.
[06:30] <jintxo> FooBarWidget, you can apt-get install prelink, I think it's in universe or multiverse
[06:31] <chrissturm> fator_dee: then its full
[06:31] <dle--> FooBarWidget: I don't think so.  However it's quite easy to do yourself.  Read man prelink. :)
[06:31] <jobezone> alterim, got an update for you, not about sound, but about the universe and multiverse repositories
[06:31] <Fator_Dee> I already know that it is full, now I'd only need some instructions to repair the situation :-\
[06:31] <chrissturm> fator_dee: try removing some old kernel
[06:31] <Fator_Dee> and how do I do that?
[06:31] <FooBarWidget> so the binaries aren't prelinked?
[06:31] <jobezone> ups
[06:31] <FooBarWidget> by default
[06:31] <gerardocb> hehehe... s leonel
[06:31] <LinuxJones> FooBarWidget, no
[06:31] <i0n> hi.. what's the root password on this livecd?
[06:32] <ohgood> Fackamato, substitute 'remove' with 'move', as in, t osome other partition (just in case you want an older one) :)
[06:32] <FooBarWidget> does the kernel have oprofile support by default?
[06:32] <jesper> i0n: sudo -s
[06:32] <ohgood> Fackamato, sorry, tab monster got me
[06:32] <chrissturm> fator_dee: sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.10-4-386
[06:32] <mello> Hey guys, is there any way of making XChat open up links in a new tab in Firefox?
[06:32] <akk> Is there a way to tell ubuntu not to replace a package I've built locally from source and installed from the .deb?
[06:32] <libben> yes
[06:32] <Fator_Dee> chrissturm: thanks
[06:32] <saw27> Fator_Dee: check what kernel you are currently using, with 'uname -r'. Then remove other linux-image* packages using synaptic or apt-get remove
[06:32] <hayden> what can i do in ubuntu while i go to sleep, that uses my comptuer but not my bandwidth?
[06:32] <Epicenter> ugh, it found the wrogn wap and configured eth1. Then the configuration tool for networks says it is NOT configured and jsut sits there on ACTIVATING ITNERFACE ETH1 and does nothing when I configure it
[06:32] <Elyseum> rightclicking the link and then choose what you want
[06:32] <akk> It keeps getting replaced every time I dist-upgrade.
[06:32] <libben> just right click on it... and choose. open with new tab
[06:32] <dcraven> FooBarWidget, it's a module.
[06:33] <FooBarWidget> hayden: disable network interface?
[06:33] <hayden> that wasnt my question
[06:34] <dcraven> hayden, I don't understand that question either.
[06:34] <i0n> no divx on this livecd?
[06:34] <i0n> hmph
[06:34] <hayden> what can i do with my computer so it is not idle while i go to sleep
[06:34] <libben> pull out the cord?
[06:35] <dcraven> hayden, play music? Make a program that runs in an infinite loop?
[06:35] <poningru> just read the state of laptop
[06:35] <ohgood> hayden, folding@home ? distcc ? lots of nice things you can help with. :)
[06:35] <delphinus>     ?
[06:35] <poningru> installed ubuntu this jan
[06:35] <i0n> folding@home would be good
[06:35] <hayden> whats distcc?
[06:35] <poningru> worked perfectly
[06:35] <jintxo> hayden, cat /dev/random | gzip > /dev/null should give your puter something to do :-p
[06:35] <poningru> on my presario 2100
[06:35] <AstralJava> folding, what, laundry? ;)
[06:35] <ohgood> AstralJava, LOL
[06:36] <smo_> ubuntu does laundry?  I'm in love
[06:36] <beowuff> Can it do dishes?
[06:36] <leonel> ese gerardocb
[06:36] <ohgood> apt-get install dishx laund2
[06:36] <AstralJava> I dunno, but emacs can make you coffee, surely Ubuntu can beat him?!
[06:36] <RadixLecti> Has anyone had any problems with installing Hoary? More specifically the "Configuring apt..."-part?
[06:36] <Cuga> hayden: why must your computer not be idle?
[06:36] <libben> i dont get it =) i have nothing to update in update-notifier... i want more new things damit!... havent update since like 35 hours.
[06:37] <dcraven> RadixLecti, can you be even more specific?
[06:37] <EvilIdler> I've got new cooling, and I've got some processing power :)
[06:37] <libben> hayden, type glxgears in console
[06:37] <libben> then it will no be idle
[06:37] <Cuga> libben: run debian experimental :P haha
[06:37] <EvilIdler> libben: Just one more fix?
[06:37] <Epicenter> is there a reason the Network config tool should just sit there "activating interface eth1" forever?
[06:37] <Cuga> libben: you prolly wont go 10 mins without an update haha
[06:37] <Epicenter> when it found networks, I picked mine and put in my WEP key?
[06:37] <hayden> Cuga: when did i say it had to be not idle
[06:37] <Lenny1729> what do I have to do to upgrade from warty warthog to Hoary Hedgehog? Or is it like a "normal" upgrade (Synaptic)
[06:37] <Epicenter> it won't let me enter a key index, though .....
 what can i do with my computer so it is not idle while i go to sleep
[06:38] <dcraven> hayden is confusing me to no end.
[06:38] <RadixLecti> dcraven... well, not really. When installing hoary final, the configuring apt-part freezes at 25%. Have tried waiting, but grew bored after 40 mins.
[06:38] <libben> Ive updated every the last week with tons of updates...!!!!! DAMIT!!!! IM HOOOOCKED!!! GIMME MORE!
[06:38] <dracflamloc> lol
[06:38] <LinuxJones> Lenny1729, change your sources.lst from warty to hoary and sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:38] <hayden> yea
[06:39] <hayden> what can i do with it
[06:39] <Fator_Dee> thanks, now I got the new kernel installed
[06:39] <Lenny1729> LinuxJohnes, ok, thank you
[06:39] <jesper> Lenny1729: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/ -> Upgrade Notes
[06:39] <LinuxJones> Lenny1729, downloads will be slow as everybody is updating/downloading new .iso's :)
[06:39] <hayden> i never said anything about it HAVING to be idle
[06:40] <Epicenter> what is the rood passwrd on the live CD?
[06:40] <dcraven> RadixLecti, hmmm.. I can't remember that part of the install to be honest. Is that after you choose a repository?
[06:40] <libben> Epicenter, there is no ROOT password
[06:40] <paygiant> where can I go to learn how to compile the kernal for my machine?
[06:40] <Epicenter> su
[06:40] <libben> u use SUDO in this dist
[06:40] <Epicenter> password:
[06:40] <Epicenter> oh.
[06:40] <Fator_Dee> and now it's the time to give this machine a reboot and see what got broken :-p
[06:40] <Epicenter> how annoying ..
[06:40] <LinuxJones> Epicenter, there is none use sudo -s in console
[06:40] <libben> and use ur own password
[06:40] <libben> Epicenter, well... u can type sudo -s and ur userpassword
[06:40] <AstralJava> Fator_Dee: Good luck.
[06:40] <libben> then ur logged in as root
[06:40] <Lenny1729> Does sb. know if Hoary Hedgehog's LiveCD supports usbstick as homedir out of the box (I know that there was a little hack for the warthog)
[06:41] <spanglesontoast> wheres the modprobe located?
[06:41] <nakata> is it my imagination, or are there more ppl here than usual.. :\
[06:41] <RadixLecti> dcraven... let me think. It's just after you've entered username and stuff.
[06:41] <Albacker> Guys can I use openoffice for mdb ?
[06:41] <kickrocks> okay, so i accidently removed /etc/ldap
[06:41] <kickrocks> how do I get apt-get to reinstall it
[06:41] <Bazzi> hmm
[06:41] <AstralJava> nakata: I think that with this rate next week we'll be hitting the 800's. :)
[06:41] <saw27> paygiant: install the "kernal-package" package and then read the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
[06:41] <kickrocks> the ldap.conf and slapd.conf never get recreated
[06:42] <libben> We can only dream about it =)
[06:42] <Albacker> Guys what should I use to open mdb files ?
[06:42] <DocKane> anybody using cadega with an ati card ?
[06:42] <kickrocks> the /etc/defaults/slapd never is reinstalled
[06:42] <LinuxJones> spanglesontoast, it's not included in Ubuntu
[06:42] <dcraven> RadixLecti, the first thing that comes to mind is maybe overloaded repository servers since the release is new and seemingly quite popular. I'd try it again to see if I had better luck.
[06:42] <spanglesontoast> what's it called?
[06:42] <spanglesontoast> is there something?
[06:42] <paygiant> thanks saw27
[06:42] <RadixLecti> dcraven, heh, been trying the last 4 hours. ;)
[06:42] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, you are looking for a particular module name?
[06:43] <RadixLecti> Seems the woman has fixed dinner. ;) Have to go.
[06:43] <spanglesontoast> dw
[06:43] <dcraven> RadixLecti, hmmm.. I think I'm stumped unfortunately. Stumping me isn't hard though.
[06:43] <saw27> paygiant: you'll find the packaged kernel source in "linux-source-*" package
[06:43] <RadixLecti> dcraven, oh well, thanks for your time.
[06:43] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, what is "dw"?
[06:43] <Epicenter> Either the Network utility on the Live CD is lying to me or ifconfig is .... it says the interface is up, my WEP key is in, my ESSID is in, my IP address, subnet and gateway are in. Yet "Destination host unreachable" pinging my router!
[06:43] <dcraven> RadixLecti, anytime.
[06:44] <Epicenter> it even found a ton of WLANs
[06:44] <Epicenter> yet it can't do this basic thing.
[06:44] <turkey_joe> can someone tell me where i can get the ms true type fonts??
[06:44] <spanglesontoast> don't worry
[06:44] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, okay..  heh
[06:44] <LinuxJones> turkey_joe, add the multiverse repository
[06:44] <saw27> paygiant: and the .config that was used to make the linux-image package is in the linux-headers- package that matches it.
[06:44] <libben> anyone knows if the ubuntu logo will be updated? thinking of it being 5 ppl instead of 3 as it usual is... on www.ubuntulinux.com
[06:44] <turkey_joe> how do i go about doing that??
[06:45] <dcraven> turkey_joe, they are in universe/multivers.
[06:45] <mdz> kickrocks: apt-get -o dpkg::options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall <package>
[06:45] <kickrocks> mdz thanks
[06:45] <dcraven> turkey_joe, msttcorefonts package.
[06:45] <synd> do i just apt-get update/upgrade to upgrade to hoary stable from hoary RC?
[06:45] <mdz> kickrocks: er, s/--reinstall/--reinstall install/
[06:45] <saw27> synd: yep
[06:45] <Arnia> libben: I highly doubt it. Logos are meant to be simple... I don't see much reason to link the logo to any promo photos
[06:46] <synd> saw: cause i did that, and all it upgraded was my xfce
[06:46] <synd> saw27: *
[06:46] <synd> im pretty certain i have the right repos too
[06:46] <Xappe> synd, when did you upgrade last time?
[06:46] <synd> like 2 days ago
[06:47] <synd> it was a pretty big upgrade
[06:47] <reppal> how to read temperature from a SATA disk? i'm running 2.6.11.7 and i don't find the patches to enable ATA pass-through
[06:47] <Xappe> synd, then you probably have all updates
[06:47] <LinuxJones> turkey_joe, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto (add universe and multiverse)
[06:47] <Fator_Dee> \o/
[06:47] <Fator_Dee> I'm alive
[06:47] <synd> Xappe: so i basically got hoary stable when i updated then?
[06:47] <ohgood> replicant, hdtemp -f   /dev/sda*              ?
[06:47] <Fator_Dee> boot was *snappy*
[06:47] <Xappe> synd: yes
[06:47] <Lenny1729> search for smart
[06:47] <synd> Xappe: nice : )
[06:47] <turkey_joe> ok. thanks LinuxJones.
[06:47] <AstralJava> Fator_Dee: Great. :)
[06:48] <nakata> omfgator, my obento mirror :<:<
[06:48] <Lenny1729> reppal smartmontools
[06:48] <nakata> is so sloah!
[06:48] <Lenny1729> reppal and hddtemp
[06:48] <LinuxJones> turkey_joe, have fun with all the new software available for download :)
[06:48] <reppal> LeeJunFan, they don't work with libata without ata pass-through
[06:48] <Xappe> synd: but i'd do a dist-upgrade to be certain
[06:48] <reppal> and there's no such patch for 2.6.11.7
[06:49] <drasko> hi all. How to switch locale to have time and date displayed in serbian (I found sr directory in /usr/share/locales)?
[06:49] <Erix> hi
[06:49] <mdz> Is everyone having fun with the new release?  It is very important that you are having fun ;-)
[06:49] <mdz> drasko: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:49] <LinuxJones> mdz, it's awesoem great job :)
[06:49] <Erix> did anyone tried 5.04 on a laptop? Does power management futures work?
[06:49] <ogra> mdz, yeah
[06:50] <dcraven> mdz, plenty of fun thanks ;)
[06:50] <drasko> mdz, so, I have included serbian locales... What next?
[06:50] <mdz> Erix: hibernate (suspend to disk) generally works out of the box, suspend (to RAM) must be enabled, and works on somewhat fewer systems
[06:50] <mdz> drasko: then change the system default locale in /etc/environment
[06:50] <spanglesontoast> what's modprobe called in unbuntu
[06:51] <nakata> modprobe.
[06:51] <Cuga> modprobe
[06:51] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, it's still modprobe.
[06:51] <drasko> mdz, is there an easy way, per session?
[06:51] <dle--> modprobe
[06:51] <nakata> i like to call it Thomas, however
[06:51] <mdz> drasko: you can select the language at login time, yes
[06:51] <Fator_Dee> omg, whe gkrellm says that I have 335m/512m of free RAM!
[06:51] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, "which modprobe". It's in /sbin/
[06:51] <drasko> mdz, thanks!
[06:51] <mdz> drasko: oh, you should install the 'language-pack-sr package (that actually handles generating the locales as well; that would have been simpler)
[06:52] <kkathman> has anyone tried karamba or superkaramba??  If so, what are your impressions?
[06:52] <Fator_Dee> on warty that was ~200megs
[06:52] <Erix> mdz: thanks. cpu scaling is important to me. does it work?
[06:52] <nakata> kkathman: it's hawt.
[06:52] <drasko> mdz, thanks a lot!
[06:52] <spanglesontoast> none that works from etc?
[06:52] <xiaogil> Is there a command in vim to replace "a number + a non-number" by "the number + tabulation + the non-number", I tried the following command which didn't work: :s/\[0-9] \[^0-9|.|\t] /\1\t\2/
[06:52] <kkathman> nakata, what do you like about it?
[06:52] <nakata> spanglesontoast: /etc/modules
[06:52] <mdz> Erix: yes, on most systems it works out of the box
[06:53] <nakata> kkathman: versitile, you can do nearly anything in superkaramba
[06:53] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, what are you trying to do? Maybe we can help better then.
[06:53] <mdz> Erix: the only notable exception is non-mobile P4 CPUs (which don't really save much power from it anyway, and it makes the system unresponsive, so we intentionally don't enable it by default)
[06:53] <nakata> kkathman: one guy wrote a cool little skinnable IM app in it :\
[06:53] <Erix> mdz: thanks. :) I have 2 hours left to try.
[06:53] <spanglesontoast> well I'm talking to an alsa person
[06:53] <kkathman> nakata, I've checked around and cant seem to find a definitive web site for it do you happen to have one?
[06:53] <Erix> mdz: mine is a amd mobile
[06:53] <spanglesontoast> trying to switch the sound card modules so the other is loaded rather than other
[06:54] <bet0x> Hi all
[06:54] <nakata> kkathman: for the karambas themselves, kde-apps or kde-look
[06:54] <kkathman> nakata, does superkaramba sit on top of KDE, or is it a different desktop manager?
[06:54] <nakata> kkathman: for superkaramba itself, i don't know, search freshmeat
[06:54] <bet0x> Any can giveme a host for my ubuntu packages? my current hosting provider can't host anymore my programs =(
[06:54] <nakata> well, it's like a dock
[06:54] <bet0x> so i need shutdown my ubuntu repocitory
[06:54] <nakata> kkathman: some karambas replace things, like kicker replacements and stuff
[06:54] <MttJocy> Question: I had problems with the eagle-usb driver for my modem on the last version of ubuntu that the hotplug fix did not have any effect on, what is the chances of the newer version actually working because I really want it to work? :/
[06:54] <nakata> kkathman: most of it just compliments the desktop though
[06:55] <dcraven> xiaogil, does ":%s/\d\D/\d\t\D/g" work?
[06:55] <samuel> has anyone tried putting symlinks to mbox files in evolution? instead of having two accounts?
[06:56] <xiaogil> dcraven: yes, but the number should be any number
[06:56] <sucho> i red at ubuntulinux.org that ubuntu-destop shouldn't be uninstalled because it will corrupt the system, i have uninstalled it month ago and have no troubles, maybe i'm loosing some features or what?
[06:56] <drspin> SuperKaramba sits on top of KDE
[06:56] <mdz> sucho: where did you read that?  it will cause no such problems
[06:57] <mdz> sucho: the reason not to uninstall it is that when we add new packages to the desktop, they will not be installed automatically (so you will not see new features that you would get if you installed from scratch), so it is recommended that you keep it installed, but it will not cause any immediate problem to uninstall it
[06:57] <saw27> mdz: Did anything come of the upgrade tool you mentioned on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes?
[06:57] <sucho> mdz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/?SID=FED4F64898A57D360E17D3DF7B30A5E0
[06:57] <xiaogil> dcraven: you're string isn't precise enough
[06:58] <xiaogil> dcraven: for what I need
[06:58] <beowuff> Yeay... finnished download... Time to burn, baby, burn!
[06:59] <muep> hi. installed fresh hoary from cd, now my scandinavian characters are incompatible with others'
[06:59] <Fator_Dee> agh, how can I make buttons for the "places" places
[06:59] <Fator_Dee> I don't like that new thingy
[06:59] <sucho> mdz: so it's only usefull to autoinstall new apps and it's done using dependencies with ubuntu-desktop, right?
[06:59] <muep> in irc I see them correctly but others don't
[06:59] <ogra> mdz, sucho id right....
[06:59] <ogra> mdz, is even
[06:59] <muep> any easy fix to this?
[06:59] <mdz> sucho: correct
[06:59] <mikkel> how do I make my monitor run 85Hz?
[07:00] <ogra> mdz, the text says  Not doing this could result in a broken system.
[07:00] <sucho> mdz: thanks
[07:00] <mdz> ogra: argh, I'll correct it
[07:00] <muep> mikkel: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:00] <MttJocy> I wonder if any of you know whether or not the new version of ubuntu may actually work with the eagle-usb driver and a sagem fast 800 as the previous did not on mine even after trying the workarounds on the forum
[07:00] <Xappe> mikkel: add the right refresh rates in xorg.conf
[07:00] <mikkel> Xappe: well, It's kinda hard to figure out how to add them correctly
[07:00] <sucho> mdz: and ubuntu-base is there for same reasons?
[07:01] <mdz> sucho: correct
[07:01] <mdz> sucho: neither package contains any substantial data; they exist only for dependency management
[07:01] <muep> but anyone knows how to switch the character map
[07:01] <muep> ?
[07:01] <sucho> mdz: great, then i can uninstall it and other unusefull (for me) apps dependent at it :)
[07:02] <mikkel> my VertRefresh is set to 160, but I still can't use more than 60Hz in X :(
[07:02] <mdz> sucho: but in the future when we add interesting new things to the desktop, you may want to recheck the dependencies and see if there is something you want
[07:02] <Xappe> mikkel: ehm, the refresh rates should be mentioned in the manual that came with your monitor
[07:02] <mdz> sucho: for example, this is how update-notifier was introduced
[07:02] <ogra> sucho, it also reflects all the changes between the releases, so its cleaver to have it installed on release upgrade
[07:03] <sucho> mdz: i use xfce, some gnome apps, some qt apps, some native kde apps and when some interesting app appear, i know about it ;)
[07:03] <mikkel> Xappe: and if I don't have a manual?
[07:03] <dcraven> xiaogil, how about ":%s/\(\d\)\(\D\)/\1\t\2/g"?
[07:03] <nakata> RTFN -> napkin.
[07:03] <Neil3> hey folks
[07:03] <saw27> mikkel: searching the web with the model number often finds the specs somewhere
[07:03] <LinuxJones> Neil3, hi
[07:03] <nakata> yo neil.
[07:03] <vrln> mdz: is it possible to have both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed at the same time?
[07:03] <sucho> ogra: ok, so after 6 months i'll try to remember to install it, but it will install gnome etc. :(
[07:03] <Xappe> mikkel: the n you could try to google for them, or, if your driver and monitor supports it try with DDCMode "on" under the device section
[07:04] <dcraven> brb
[07:04] <vrln> (I haven't installed ubuntu yet, but a friend of mine is trying it and he wants to have kde 3.4 too)
[07:04] <libben> http://hem.passagen.se/standby/linux/Desktop-me-skiresort.png
[07:04] <Neil3> :)
[07:04] <nakata> ship's sinkin, tele's on the brink and it's one beer to last all evenin, later on chips for feedin.
[07:04] <libben> lol... wrong channel
[07:04] <mdz> vrln: yes, it is
[07:04] <vrln> mdz: great, thanks
[07:04] <mdz> vrln: note that you will have both gdm and kdm if you do this, and must choose which one you want to use
[07:05] <mdz> gdm will allow you to choose KDE or GNOME at login; I think kdm will as well but I haven't checked
[07:05] <ogra> sucho, which you can uninstall afterwards....but you will have the full set of new apps...
[07:05] <fissy> Does anyone know of a services manager for ubuntu?
[07:05] <Xappe> mikkel: Option DDCMode "on" that is
[07:05] <ogra> sucho, i think its worth the handfull of clicks in synaptic ;)
[07:06] <Neil3> just wondering there's no gstreamer-mp3 plugin for hoary that i can find yet is there?
[07:06] <libben> gstreamer mad
[07:06] <libben> u need to download that
[07:06] <libben> for mp3
[07:06] <Se7h> was gnuradio modified from the "original package" ?
[07:06] <bet0x> where i can get hosting (free or charge) for my apt repocitory ?
[07:06] <LinuxJones> fissy, there really isn't one atm :(
[07:06] <Neil3> ah ty
[07:06] <xiaogil> dcraven: no, it's still not precise enough. Actually, I noticed something, when I type the \[0-9] \[^0-9|.|\t]  in the search window of gvim, it finds many patterns, but it returns "pattern not found" when i type :\[0-9] \[^0-9|.|\t]  in the command line, I don't understand why
[07:06] <zyga> which package provides mp3 ripping support to sound juicer?
[07:07] <mikkel> Xappe: okay, I found it somewhere on the web, thanks :)
[07:07] <sucho> ogra: maybe i'll give it a try when i'll be bored, but it took me long to uninstall all the packages which i don't need ;)
[07:07] <fissy> LinuxJones, I guessed :( just asking in hope. The present system really really sucks - why do ubuntu take the services-admin program out of gnome-system-tools? its supposed to work with debian systems isn't it?
[07:08] <Neil3> woot cool i just found the gstreamer0.8-plugins meta-package
[07:08] <ogra> sucho, so youre missing such cool things like gnome-app-install or hwdb-client then....
[07:09] <Neil3> i love the new animated progress bars
[07:09] <Neil3> very snazzy
[07:09] <nakata> Neil3: in what?
[07:09] <Neil3> hoary
[07:09] <nakata> ...where?
[07:09] <LinuxJones> fissy, the devs don't fine them stable enough
[07:09] <Neil3> everywhere nakata
[07:09] <LinuxJones> find*
[07:09] <fgx> does anyone know what's the correat VGA value for a 1680x1050 fb resolution?
[07:09] <bet0x> where i can get hosting (free or charge) for my apt repocitory ? ( ANY HELP =P )
[07:09] <jesper> ogra: is the hardware database up and running?
[07:10] <MacIver> bet0x: try localhost
[07:10] <fissy> LinuxJones, worked fine for me. So their rationale is take out potentially buggy functionality in favour of *no* functionality
[07:10] <nakata> Neil3: on the desktop, like... gnome? :\
[07:10] <dcraven> xiaogil, I guess I'd need to know more precisely what you are trying to do.
[07:10] <bet0x> MacIver, nice joke...
[07:10] <nakata> Neil3: nevermind, i dig.
[07:10] <ogra> jesper, jep, but not on the final server yet...so its a bit solw currently
[07:10] <jesper> ogra: Is it possible to view content from the web somewhere?
[07:10] <Neil3> hehe
[07:10] <Neil3> in all sorts of apps in gnome
[07:11] <LinuxJones> fissy, well there are things planned like a services manager, menu editor for future release but aren't ready yet
[07:11] <Neil3> like firefox when it's loading a web page
[07:11] <Neil3> or synaptic
[07:11] <ogra> jesper, just open the gui a second time ;)
[07:11] <dcraven> xiaogil, /msg me if you want.. This is kinda off topic.
[07:11] <ogra> jesper, it links you there
[07:11] <jesper> ogra: I'm still on debian unstable
[07:11] <ogra> jesper, ah
[07:11] <LinuxJones> fissy, you can use update-rc.d to manage services (for the most part).
[07:12] <fissy> LinuxJones, i thought ubuntu had  a philosophy of not making software themselves? the new menu editor is a gnome project, just like the existing services manager
[07:12] <fissy> LinuxJones, i read on the ubuntu wiki that you shouldn't use that, its only for dpkg's use
[07:12] <sucho> ogra: g-app-install looks fine reffering to wiki, i'll try it, maybe i'll find better alternatives for apps i use, thx
[07:12] <LinuxJones> fissy, sorry make that runlevel editors
[07:13] <spanglesontoast> how can i do this ?
[07:13] <bet0x> MacIver, you can host my files :P
[07:13] <LinuxJones> fissy, yeah I know but it's that or 1) uninstall the service 2) manually edit the symlinks in the /etc/ rcX dirs
[07:13] <spanglesontoast> options snd-via82xx index=0
[07:14] <Mirv> does ubuntu install (when doing clean install) the proprietary ATI graphics drivers automatically?
[07:14] <bet0x> spanglesontoast,  options snd_via82xx dxs_support=4
[07:14] <Fackamato> fglrx?
[07:14] <fissy> LinuxJones, Surely someone who could code could make a gtk app to do that in a day, seems madness its been left like this
[07:14] <bet0x> on your /etc/modutils/alsa-base
[07:15] <LinuxJones> fissy, worse case scenario (using update-rc.d) is that the service will get started again if there is an upgrade for the service itself.
[07:15] <spanglesontoast> ah ok ty
[07:15] <bet0x> spanglesontoast, np :)
[07:15] <Mirv> yes, fglrx.. just interested if I've to guide my brother to install fglrx-drivers after the install if wanting 3d accel
[07:15] <fissy> LinuxJones, fair enough
[07:16] <LinuxJones> fissy, the devs are so busy and there are some issues with how the package manager interacts with runlevel administration, I guess it's quite a kluge right now.
[07:16] <MacIver> bet0x: sure upload them to my ftp server at 127.23.3.6
[07:16] <spanglesontoast> can't get into modutils
[07:17] <kautzy> hoi
[07:17] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, "sudo nano /etc/modutils/alsa-base" might be what you want to edit.
[07:17] <spanglesontoast> dw dosrted
[07:18] <fissy> LinuxJones, well if they want to hire someone who can code gtk# ;-)
[07:18] <spanglesontoast> sorted
[07:18] <dcraven> fissy, code donations are welcomed no doubt.
[07:18] <spanglesontoast> what does -modem stand for not modem as dialup etc
[07:18] <fissy> dcraven, they're not accepting mono into the main distro are they?
[07:19] <EvilIdler> How do I make ALSA change default sound card?
[07:19] <dcraven> fissy, I dunno, but the tool would probably be welcomed in some repo... At least universe if it worked well I'd imagine.
[07:19] <synic> EvilIdler: alsaconf ?
[07:19] <EvilIdler> synic: Cheers
[07:19] <synic> np
[07:19] <LinuxJones> fissy, I was hoping to start a project to address it but I got the impression that there were many underlying issues that had to be worked out. That was enough to scare me away like a prissy schoolgirl :)
[07:20] <e_machinist> When using Wine to play a game my keyboard does not work, any ideas on how to fix that?
[07:20] <rcaskey> fissy: mono will most likely join the default install in buntu 5.10
[07:20] <dcraven> Why am I thinking alsaconf is no longer.
[07:20] <tiredbones> I just updated my warty system to hoary. I'm get the following error when I click on evolution icon. failed to execute child process "evolution-2.0"(no such file or dirctory) what file or dir is it looking for?
[07:20] <kautzy> does anyone know how to enable the composite extension with a radeon gfx card and fglrx driver ?
[07:20] <rcaskey> tired: I tink its probably evolution-2.2 now
[07:21] <synic> dcraven: you could be correct... I've not done it on ubuntu, just debian
[07:21] <dcraven> fissy, we'll look forward to your work, thanks. ;P
[07:21] <kautzy> if i enable it xorg disables direct rendering and everything is extremely slow
[07:21] <AstralJava> tiredbones: I had to switch the icon to point to evolution-2.2 too to get it working.
[07:21] <wezzer-> yes
[07:21] <wezzer-> evolution 2.2.1.1
[07:21] <fissy> LinuxJones, is it possible to put a noexecute line in the /etc/init.d/script and have that managed by some gui program? It wouldn't interfere with the package manager but should work?
[07:22] <tiredbones> How to switch the icon to point to evolution-2.2.1.1?
[07:22] <wezzer> tiredbones: right-click the gnome-panel and select application launcher
[07:23] <wezzer> then just browse for the evolution
[07:23] <wezzer> you can delete the old one
[07:23] <AstralJava> tiredbones: Is your icon in the panel? Just right-click and choose Properties, and browse for the file where it asks you to.
[07:23] <wezzer> "evolution-2.2" is command to launch it
[07:23] <LinuxJones> fissy, I don't know offhand, might be worth asking in #ubuntu-devel about it.
[07:23] <dcraven> /usr/bin/evolution is a symlink to /usr/bin/evolution-2.2
[07:24] <dcraven> fwiw
[07:24] <tiredbones> Thanks people!
[07:24] <bet0x> MacIver, hum, repeat yourip please
[07:24] <MacIver> bet0x: sure upload them to my ftp server at 127.23.3.6
[07:24] <dcraven> I'm gonna hack that ip.
[07:25] <dcraven> 'cause I'm a hacker.
[07:25] <MacIver> dcraven: please dooon't
[07:25] <MacIver> dcraven: it's not very patched
[07:25] <kautzy> can't you hack that composite support in my xorg ?
[07:25] <kautzy> :)
[07:25] <dcraven> MacIver, haha.. no worries from me. I couldn't hack my way out of a paper bag.
[07:26] <|QuaD-> i am impressed to see hula packages :)
[07:26] <bet0x> MacIver, our ip not respond :S
[07:26] <MacIver> bet0x: try to ssh
[07:27] <dcraven> I never noticed the hula packages.. I wonder what the chances are I could make it work... hmmm.
[07:27] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[07:27] <mmpf> hi@all
[07:27] <dcraven> Do I hear slim to none?
[07:27] <bet0x> MacIver, my system says "Can't connect"
[07:27] <spanglesontoast> what did you lot say about sound earlier
[07:28] <spanglesontoast> cos I want my soundcard to be default
[07:28] <bet0x> MacIver, its my firewall? =p lolz
[07:28] <MacIver> bet0x: can you ping it?
[07:28] <bet0x> MacIver, i can't
[07:28] <mmpf> has someone the cymotionmaster linux keyboard running?
[07:28] <kautzy> never heard of
[07:28] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, I'm not sure what you're doing, but if you are trying to use a card instead of your onboard sound, probably disabling onboard sound in BIOS would be easiest.
[07:28] <tiredbones> How would I update to the current OpenOffice-2.0 the Ubuntu way?
[07:28] <MacIver> bet0x: pinging it works from here
[07:28] <bet0x> MacIver, hum
[07:29] <MacIver> 64 bytes from 127.23.3.6: icmp_seq=19 ttl=64 time=0.081 ms
[07:29] <spanglesontoast> well someone said autoconf
[07:29] <dcraven> tiredbones, probably synaptic is easiest.
[07:29] <WW> tiredbones: Wait 6 months?
[07:30] <kautzy> does anyone know how to enable the composite extension with a radeon gfx card and fglrx driver ?
[07:30] <bet0x> sourceforge can host apt my repocitory ?
[07:30] <dcraven> kautzy, composite isn't ready enough for me yet.
[07:30] <tiredbones> WW: What happens in 6 month?
[07:30] <kautzy> hm
[07:30] <jesper> bet0x: http://dotsrc.org probably will
[07:30] <kautzy> i'm just wondering if its not possible yet
[07:31] <dcraven> bet0x, probably not what sf is all about.
[07:31] <WW> tiredbones: The next Ubuntu release :)
[07:31] <benja> how do i activate cpu frequency scaling for P4, so i can make de gnome applet work
[07:31] <WW> tiredbones: (Sorry, my answer was not serious...)
[07:32] <dcraven> tiredbones, it's in uni/multiverse. Try synaptic.
[07:32] <Arnia> benja: Do you mean manual scaling, because powernowd (installed by default) does automatic user-space scaling
[07:32] <AstralJava> benja: (on cpu frequency scaling for P4 about an hour ago) (19:53:13) mdz: Erix: the only notable exception is non-mobile P4 CPUs (which don't really save much power from it anyway, and it makes the system unresponsive, so we intentionally don't enable it by default)
[07:32] <randy> Hello All.
[07:32] <AstralJava> Is it a non-mobile?
[07:33] <mdz> benja: if you would like to try it, run "sudo modprobe p4-clockmod", but be aware that this has caused unresponsiveness for other users
[07:34] <klaym> is there a tutorial website for installing hoary from warty?
[07:35] <randy> I have 2 nics each connected to a separate router (192.168.3.1 & 192.168.1.1)  I can only ping 192.168.3.1.  When I try to ping the other I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted".  Anyone have any ideas?
[07:35] <wezzer> klaym: yes
[07:35] <wezzer> just a second
[07:35] <wezzer> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:35] <wezzer> there you go
[07:35] <RadixLecti> Is there a way to bypass a part of the installation after it's started?
[07:35] <LinuxJones> klaym,  , change your sources.lst from warty to hoary and sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:35] <no0tic> how can I control within a script who launched it?
[07:35] <RadixLecti> This farking configuring apt-problem can eat my shorts.
[07:36] <no0tic> I need to test if the script is launched by root or not
[07:36] <sladen> benja: the P4 does frequency-scaling, but not voltage reduction (which is the main reason you'd do it...)
[07:36] <GhostFreeman> now might be a good time to whip out that PSP, because apt-get dist-upgrade will take some time
[07:36] <klaym> wezzer: thanks!
[07:37] <tiredbones> dcraven: I could not find uni/multiverse in synaptic. What other heading would be under. I also tried word processors.
[07:37] <Enspyron> what is the difference between ext 2 and ext 3 (partition format) and which of the two can I use best?
[07:37] <mdz> spanglesontoast: yes, the necessary modules are automatically loaded on k7 CPUs which support scaling
[07:37] <AstralJava> Enspyron: ext3 provides journalling.
[07:37] <LinuxJones> no0tic, you can create a new group for the users you want to have access to it.
[07:37] <spanglesontoast> what is scaling?
[07:38] <iGama> AstralJava and that means?
[07:38] <jb__> hi
[07:38] <zerokarmaleft> Enspyron, which means ext3 is more reliable
[07:38] <RadixLecti> Have you guys had problems with the hoary final install?
[07:38] <no0tic> LinuxJones: I'm writing a script and I need to test whether it is launched by root or not
[07:38] <no0tic> LinuxJones: the script needs root privileges
[07:38] <LinuxJones> no0tic, what does the script do ?
[07:38] <Enspyron> Ok, thx I will try ext 3
[07:39] <popeye_laptop> hey, does anyone know how to specify which video driver to use on the livecd? nv freezes for me so i need to use vesa
[07:39] <mdz> spanglesontoast: "Clock scaling allows you to change the clock speed of CPUs on the fly. This is a nice method to save battery power on notebooks, because the lower the clock speed, the less power the CPU consumes"
[07:39] <e_machinist> Anyone know how to cd to a directory with a name like "Star Wars Jedi Knight II"?
[07:39] <daven> no0tic: can't you just make the script only readable and executable by root?
[07:39] <mdz> e_machinist: cd Star<tab>
[07:39] <dcraven> tiredbones, sorry, universe and multiverse are extra repositories... See this link --> 	http://tinyurl.com/3qv6t
[07:39] <birger> WHat on earth happened to unrar support in Archive Manager in Hoary
[07:39] <spanglesontoast> ah so not needed for a desktop pc
[07:39] <spanglesontoast> ?
[07:39] <jintxo> no0tic, you could check the UID variable in the script...
[07:39] <zerokarmaleft> e_machinist, or cd "the directory enclosed in"
[07:39] <AstralJava> iGama: It means that if you encounter a crash, your files are more likely to be recovered.
[07:39] <e_machinist> I shall try those.
[07:39] <RadixLecti> e_machinist... just try cd Star and then tab. That usually does the trick.
[07:39] <iGama> AstralJava hmm thanks
[07:40] <LinuxJones> no0tic, you can parse the output of ps -aux if the script hasn't finished processing
[07:40] <GhostFreeman> will I need to setup another kernel?
[07:40] <no0tic> jintxo: if I test the UID variable, it gives me user variable alsa if I sudo script it
[07:40] <bet0x> omg
[07:40] <dcraven> tiredbones, once you add those repositories and reload, search for "openoffice".
[07:40] <AstralJava> iGama: http://olstrans.sourceforge.net/release/OLS2000-ext3/OLS2000-ext3.html
[07:40] <bet0x> firefox crash my computer
[07:40] <bet0x> my entire system
[07:40] <randy> cd "Star Wars Jedi Knight II"
[07:40] <spanglesontoast> wtf lol
[07:40] <bet0x> and my X
[07:40] <e_machinist> Thanks everyone... worked.
[07:40] <AstralJava> That's the quickest I could find on the subject.
[07:40] <no0tic> LinuxJones: I need a way to make the script answer "You are not root"
[07:40] <iGama> ill read that
[07:40] <no0tic> LinuxJones: "Launch me as root or via sudo"
[07:40] <GhostFreeman> bet0x: goto your home directory, find .mozilla/firefox and delete that directory. Worked for me
[07:40] <RadixLecti> Baaaah. The Hoary install is completely frozen at Configuring apt.
[07:41] <spanglesontoast> ok be back later
[07:41] <chadd> Q: hand rolled a kernel to include a necessary patch for my hardware, but that kernel wont boot claiming problems reading the FS, I'm using Reiser and ext3, did I forget to build something in? I had to 'make bzImage' do I need to build initrd?
[07:41] <no0tic> LinuxJones: I need to test if the script has root privileges
[07:41] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, i dont want lost my profile :)
[07:41] <birger> In Warty, unrar with Archive Manager worked. In Hoary it does not
[07:41] <Frafra> hi
[07:41] <Quest-Master> birger is right
[07:41] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, you have enable Composible o RenderAccel on your xorg.conf ?
[07:41] <Epicenter> Even on these 'clogged' servgers I am pulling down Hoary i386 Install ISO at 597 KBytes/sec on HTTP :P
[07:41] <GhostFreeman> I'm not running xorg yet
[07:41] <Epicenter> It takes long to resolve but the mirrors are fine
[07:41] <bet0x> hum
[07:41] <bet0x> let me try
[07:41] <RadixLecti> birger... tried installing rar? apt-get install rar?
[07:42] <birger> Quest-Master: Can I do something to fix it?
[07:42] <jintxo> birger, haveyou apt-get install rar ? I *think* that unrar'ing works in hoary with that
[07:42] <Epicenter> It capped me down to 455 now but I am holding steady there.
[07:42] <Quest-Master> birger: I haven't been able to fix it either
[07:42] <popeye_laptop> does anyone know how to specify which video driver to use on the livecd?
[07:42] <Frafra> i'm trying to burn the iso of the 5.04-install-amd64, with a hoary (5 febrary)
[07:42] <GhostFreeman> im still at least 3 hours left before the upgrade is finished.
[07:42] <Frafra> Frafra Please replace the disc in the drive with a rewritable or blank disc, with at least 608mib
[07:42] <GhostFreeman> go me
[07:42] <birger> jintxo and RadixLecti: I'll try, Thanks for the tip
[07:42] <Frafra> why?
[07:43] <chadd> how do I build an initrd?
[07:43] <chadd> anyone?
[07:43] <GhostFreeman> how long have you guys spend upgrading to Hoary? I think this is hour 5 on my end
[07:43] <RadixLecti> Does anyone have any ideas why my install constantly freezes at the configuring apt section? 25%, then nothing.
[07:43] <Quest-Master> RadixLecti: I had that once. Reburned the ISO on another CD, worked just fine
[07:43] <RadixLecti> Freeman, I have a 10 Mbit fibre, so it took me about an hour.
[07:44] <GhostFreeman> i'm on 1.5/256
[07:44] <jaco^> hi
[07:44] <GhostFreeman> 72% finished, apt says it will wrap up in three hours
[07:44] <jaco^> how to upgrade to breeze?
[07:44] <jaco^> :)
[07:44] <RadixLecti> Quest, this is my second burn. ;) I've also checked the md5, checks out.
[07:44] <LinuxJones> no0tic, you can only set the priviliges of a script per user/group. What priviliges the commands inside the script require are unknown until runtime.
[07:44] <dcraven> RadixLecti, if you are going to try the reburning solution, turn the burn speed down a bit.
[07:44] <Quest-Master> Ack.
[07:44] <vrln> a friend of mine is just trying to use ubuntu hoary - but his network card isn't detected
[07:44] <rcaskey> I did a dist-upgrade last night so it took me about 5 minutes to apt-get update and .05 second to apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[07:44] <GhostFreeman> next time im going to burn an ISO ;|
[07:44] <dcraven> oh
[07:44] <Quest-Master> RadixLecti: Has Ubuntu worked fine for you before?
[07:44] <vrln> and it seems like dhcpcd is not part of the default installation
[07:45] <vrln> how can one start the eth0/1 interface on ubuntu?
[07:45] <RadixLecti> dcraven... burned at 8x. Too high?
[07:45] <dcraven> hehe no.
[07:45] <vrln> I haven't used anything debian based for a long time
[07:45] <no0tic> LinuxJones: found: id -u
[07:45] <RadixLecti> Quest, yeah, been using Warty for about two months.
[07:45] <vrln> was it ifup eth0 or something like that?
[07:45] <dcraven> gaim is driving me nuts.
[07:45] <rcaskey> vrln: if his network card isn't detected, he can't unless he knows what he is doing
[07:45] <Quest-Master> RadixLecti: It shouldn't be doing that yet. It sometimes happens to people with bad hardware, but if Warty worked fine, Hoary should as well.
[07:45] <EvilIdler> vrln: dhclient is installed by default
[07:45] <rcaskey> does ifconfig -a|grep eth show anything?
[07:45] <dcraven> vrln, yeah, try "ifup <interface>"
[07:46] <birger> Hmmm, package "rar" not found
[07:46] <Quest-Master> RadixLecti: Why not just install Warty and change your sources.list and upgrade to hoary with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:46] <jintxo> chadd, you use a program called mkinitrd. you have to tell it what kernel version to build the initrd for
[07:46] <chadd> jintxo: muchos gracias
[07:46] <jintxo> de nada :-)
[07:46] <vrln> rcaskey/EvilIdler/dcraven: thanks, it works now :)
[07:46] <merlin__> can you use kickstart and preseed.cfg to do stuff kickstart won't do in hoarty?
[07:46] <dcraven> birger, you probably need to add the universe/multiverse repositories --> 	http://tinyurl.com/3qv6t
[07:46] <chadd> jintxo: I'm sure thats my problem with the kernel not wanting to boot
[07:46] <RadixLecti> Quest.. yeah, I'll prolly have to do that. I just wanted a fresh install from a Hoary-CD, is all. ;)
[07:46] <GhostFreeman> When this is all said and done
[07:47] <GhostFreeman> How the hell can I see if i'm running Hoary from the terminal?
[07:47] <jintxo> chadd, you probably built necessary things to boot as module. an initrd would sure help if that is the case
[07:47] <merlin__> hoary if I could type properly :)
[07:47] <birger> dcraven: allright, thanks, multiverse is missing in my sources.list
[07:47] <Quest-Master> RadixLecti: Same effect could be reached with a clean Warty install then Hoary upgrade, hehe
[07:47] <dcraven> birger, no problem.
[07:47] <bet0x> dumb X
[07:47] <RadixLecti> Hopefully the cd's from canonical will work allright this time.
[07:47] <GhostFreeman> What
[07:47] <bet0x> =/
[07:47] <GhostFreeman> is the command to see what version of Ubuntu you're running?
[07:48] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, still freezing my X
[07:48] <bet0x> :S
[07:48] <kkathman> what is the command to extract a file with bz2 suffix?
[07:48] <LinuxJones> GhostFreeman, cat /etc/issue
[07:48] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:48] <jintxo> kkathman, bunzip2, I think..
[07:48] <Vjaz> Am I imagining or has the Human theme updated to colours that are more red or orange?
[07:48] <dcraven> kkathman, "tar xvjf filename.tar.bz2"
[07:48] <GhostFreeman> No idea what to do there, bet0x. Try Mozilla Suite?
[07:48] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, i want solve this problem
[07:48] <RadixLecti> Quest.. do you know whether it's possible to skip the configuring apt part? With a key-stroke-combo or somesuch?
[07:48] <Vjaz> I think I liked it better when it wasjust brown.
[07:49] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, changing mynavigator i will never know "the how"
[07:49] <kkathman> dcraven, thank you...that differs from tar xvzf right
[07:49] <GhostFreeman> I am aware but first we need to know if this is a browser issue or not
[07:49] <dcraven> kkathman, that is for *.tar.gz compressed format.
[07:49] <kkathman> dcraven, right...so the "j" option is for bz2?
[07:49] <dcraven> kkathman, yep.
[07:49] <kkathman> dcraven, thanx :)
[07:49] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, im looking my X, bu i have composite configured and others stuff, so im giving the default configuration
[07:50] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, i will start again my X, with default configuration
[07:50] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:50] <dcraven> kkathman, no problem. See "man tar" for more info if you are interested.
[07:50] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, :D
[07:50] <bet0x> GhostFreeman, its composite
[07:51] <bet0x> the extencion for xorg
[07:51] <birger> anyone else has trouble with mplayer in Hoary. I have no sound with mplayer while totem actually works for once
[07:51] <bet0x> have problems
[07:51] <zooko> goodbye for now, #ubuntu
[07:51] <zooko> 
[07:51] <bet0x> GhostFreeman,
[07:51] <bet0x> #                 Option "RenderAccel" "true"
[07:51] <bet0x> #                 Option "HWCursor" "true"
[07:51] <bet0x> #                 Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[07:51] <bet0x> that options are freezing my computer
[07:52] <bet0x> now works normal or looks lol
[07:52] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:52] <bet0x> dam nvidia
[07:52] <GhostFreeman> I guess problem solved. I don't know much about xorg to help troubleshoot and get those back, check out the forums
[07:52] <jaco^> ok, now, hoary is out, can i upgrade to the next version?
[07:52] <chadd> jintxo: what if it is the same version of kernel, but a new build?
[07:53] <birger> Installing rar from multiverse fixes unrar problems in Archive Manager. GREAT!
[07:53] <Vjaz> Is there still any handy way in Hoary to make new menu entries?
[07:53] <GhostFreeman> jaco^: you mean upgrade to Hoary?
[07:53] <dcraven> jaco^, as in breezy? no.
[07:53] <Vjaz> I mean is there still no such way.
[07:53] <jaco^> no GhostFreeman i mean upgrade to breezy
[07:53] <GhostFreeman> Breezy isn
[07:53] <chadd> jintxo: I'm just not sure if it included the build number, ie: 2.6.10-4 was the default install
[07:53] <GhostFreeman> breezy isn't even on the cutting room floor
[07:54] <dcraven> jaco^, give the devs a few days to recoup.
[07:54] <jintxo> chadd, what do you have under /lib/modules?
[07:54] <GhostFreeman> the devs need to hibernate a few weeks
[07:54] <cikilin> does anybody know how to install azureus on warty 4.10?
[07:54] <kautzy> does that "allowglswithcomposite" thing work with radeon and xorg ?
[07:54] <jaco^> ok, i think that ubuntu jobs is great also in beta version
[07:54] <jaco^> hoary was very stable also when it was in alpha
[07:55] <cikilin> does anybody know how to install azureus on warty 4.10?
[07:55] <jintxo> kautzy, that's nvidia specific, i believe
[07:55] <chrissturm> when does the next ubuntu test version start?
[07:55] <kautzy> oh ok
[07:55] <chadd> jintxo: 2.6.10 2.6.10-4-386 2.6.10-5-686
[07:55] <kautzy> dont get that funkee shadows working :(
[07:55] <kautzy> :
[07:55] <kautzy> :)
[07:55] <chadd> jintxo: so I give it the last, as the version number?
[07:55] <cikilin> help
[07:55] <cikilin> does anybody know how to install azureus on warty 4.10?
[07:56] <jintxo> chadd, which one of those is your personalized one? use that as the version
[07:56] <imhoo> cikilin, you have to download it here: http://azureus.xn--sourcefrge-geb.net/download.php
[07:56] <chadd> jintxo: thanks for clarifying
[07:56] <jintxo> :-p
[07:56] <cikilin> i downloaded
[07:56] <imhoo> then do
[07:56] <imhoo>  $ cd browse_to_your_download_folder
[07:56] <imhoo> $ sudo tar jxvf Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 -C /opt/
[07:56] <imhoo> $ sudo chown -R root:root /opt/azureus/
[07:56] <dcraven> cikilin, little impatient?
[07:57] <cikilin> i did it but i can start it
[07:57] <jaco^> cikilin had u tried amule?
[07:57] <AstralJava> Vjaz: It's not handy, but all you need to do is generate correct /usr/lib/menu entries and /usr/share/applications/*.desktop entries, and link them to /usr/share/pixmaps icons. :) But there will be improvement for sure.
[07:57] <bet0x> hey
[07:57] <bet0x> im installing gforge on my ubuntu
[07:58] <bet0x> and apt want to remove my "ubuntu-base"
[07:58] <bet0x> :S
[07:58] <GhostFreeman> I'd cancel
[07:58] <imhoo> cikilin, you could try this (doesn't work for me, but I'm using hoary):
[07:58] <imhoo>  $ nautilus applications:///Internet
[07:58] <Epicenter> Is it advisable to recompile my kernel with Ubuntu? Or will something break? I'd like to compile it for my Pentium-M and specific hardware.
[07:58] <imhoo>  File Menu -> Create Launcher
[07:58] <imhoo> Basic Tab ->
[07:58] <imhoo> Name: Azureus
[07:58] <imhoo> Command: /opt/azureus/azureus
[07:58] <imhoo> Icon: /opt/azureus/Azureus.png
[07:58] <Epicenter> Or is it just not worth it?
[07:59] <cikilin> imhoo when i $ sudo chown -R root:root /opt/azureus is not ding anything
[07:59] <Epicenter> I don't know if I'll haev support for nice things like P-M Clock scaling.
[07:59] <imhoo> cikilin, try it with root.root instead of root:root
[07:59] <whiskey_1> i don't see why all those people on slashdot keep talking about Duke Nukem
[08:00] <dcraven> Epicenter, if you do, make sure you compile filesystem components etc in the kernel as opposed to modules because you will not have an initrd.
[08:00] <whiskey_1> obviously they have not heard of Dave Gnukem
[08:00] <dcraven> Epicenter, aside from that, you can compile and use any kernel you like.
[08:00] <Epicenter> I usually compile totally monolithic kernels
[08:00] <Vjaz> AstralJava: Yeah, I know that way. I can't understand why they didn't fix it for the stable release.
[08:00] <GhostFreeman> I hear that Duke Nukem guy was supposed to be in a video game...
[08:00] <zemantic> hoary works on my laptop! yay!
[08:01] <Vjaz> AstralJava: It's a serious problem in my opinion. It wasn't obvious in Warty how it worked either, but at least it was possible.
[08:01] <whiskey_1> Dave GNUkem is the guy in a video game
[08:01] <dazed> mine too :)
[08:01] <imhoo> cikilin, make sure you have java installed
[08:01] <cikilin> imhoo is the same result
[08:01] <dcraven> zemantic, congrats :)
[08:01] <AstralJava> Vjaz: If I recall correctly it's got to do with that freedesktop.org standard, and I just suppose it's not totally ready yet.
[08:01] <bet0x> =/
[08:02] <zemantic> warty works great on my desktop but never worked on the laptop, now I'm ubuntu across the board. I almost went and bought a powerbook I was so f'ing fed up with Mandrake ;)
[08:02] <cikilin> k
[08:02] <bet0x> MacIver, want use my apt repociroty ?
[08:02] <bet0x> i will configure my apache on 192.168.0.101, but it :P
[08:02] <bet0x> all on localhost :p
[08:02] <dcraven> cikilin, do you have Java? See if "which java" returns anything.
[08:02] <chadd> jintxo: and of course, it doesnt "just work" it expects a dir where there isnt one.
[08:03] <Vjaz> AstralJava: And by the way, you can also make user specific menu items to your ~/.gnome2. That's what got made using the context menu that was there in Warty, but I'm not quite sure what files you need to create/modify. I should probably check the documentation for that.
[08:03] <zemantic> dcraven: thanks ;)
[08:03] <imhoo> cikilin, and don't enter the $ from my examples, it's only the bash symbol
[08:03] <jintxo> chadd, what dir?
[08:03] <chadd> jintxo: $ sudo mkinitrd -o ./initrd.img-2.6.10-cma-badram 2.6.10-5-686
[08:03] <chadd> find: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/acpi: No such file or directory
[08:04] <AstralJava> Vjaz: Thanks for the reminder. I'll do that too.
[08:04] <chadd> jintxo: that /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686 dir structure doesnt appear to be that way.
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> guys, could we program apt-get around bittorrent next time
[08:04] <chadd> jintxo: it has a /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build/...
[08:05] <cikilin> imhoo this will install java?How to install J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE)?
[08:05] <dcraven> GhostFreeman, I'll start right now.
[08:05] <jintxo> chadd, and nothing else?
[08:05] <GhostFreeman> that would drastically help speeds, wouldn't it?
[08:05] <cikilin> imhoo this will install java?How to install J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE)?
[08:05] <Vjaz> AstralJava: You put your .desktop-files in ~/.gnome2/vfolders/applications and add some XML in ~/.gnome2/vfolders/applications.vfolders.info. I'm not sure though. I have some applications added there, but they don't show up, so either I need to do something extra or it just doesn't work in Gnome 2.10.
[08:05] <jintxo> chadd, your kernel modules shoulb be in there....
[08:05] <dcraven> GhostFreeman, probably, if everyone downloaded the same package at the same time.
[08:06] <imhoo> cikilin, # Download jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin: Hier
[08:06] <imhoo> #
[08:06] <imhoo> $ cd browse_to_your_download_folder
[08:06] <imhoo> $ sh jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[08:06] <imhoo> $ sudo mkdir /usr/java
[08:06] <cyklus> I am having problems palying DVD's... I can watch it and sound works however every 2 seconds it stops for a plit second and then continues... this is hapening across multiple players (mplayer, vlc)
[08:06] <imhoo> $ sudo mv jre1.5.0_01/ /usr/java/
[08:06] <imhoo> $ sudo chown -R root:root /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/
[08:06] <imhoo> $ sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[08:06] <imhoo> $ sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java_vm /usr/bin/java_vm
[08:06] <jintxo> s/shoulb/should
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> hmm
[08:06] <imhoo> $ sudo gedit /etc/bash.bashrc
[08:06] <imhoo> # Append the following lines at the end of file
[08:06] <imhoo> JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01
[08:06] <imhoo> export JAVA_HOME
[08:06] <imhoo> PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[08:06] <imhoo> export PATH
[08:06] <LinuxJones> imhoo, please stop spamming
[08:06] <dcraven> imhoo, probably shouldn't do that.
[08:06] <imhoo> # Save the edited file (sample)
[08:06] <imhoo> #
[08:06] <bet0x> FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
[08:06] <imhoo> $ java -version
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> this sounds like a very interesting project at the lest
[08:06] <dcraven> RUN!!
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> WOOO FLOOD!!!!
[08:06] <imhoo> LinuxJones, sorry for that
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> SURF'S UP DOOD
[08:06] <Anubis> mplayer-386:
[08:06] <Anubis>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[08:06] <Anubis>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:06] <chadd> jintxo: no further messages from mkinitrd, build appears to be a link actually to the headers dir... this is not what I expected... Let me try the other version
[08:06] <dcraven> imhoo, there is always www.pastebin.com for that stuff.
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> where is the source code for apt-get at anyways?
[08:07] <imhoo> cikilin, you can download it here: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[08:07] <Anubis> why is mplayer still broken?
[08:07] <jintxo> chadd, your kernel modules shoulb be in there.... <- just in case you missed it because of the flood
[08:07] <Anubis> or is it my repo?
[08:07] <imhoo> dcraven, thanks
[08:07] <zenrox> Anubis, your repos
[08:07] <dcraven> imhoo, no sweat.
[08:07] <Anubis> zenrox, where can I get a good apt.source.list?
[08:08] <whiskey_1> Anubis, mplayer is broken because you can't use the codecs
[08:08] <zenrox> Anubis,  look at www.ubuntuguide.org/temp ??
[08:08] <whiskey_1> Anubis, or you are not supposed to.
[08:08] <dcraven> GhostFreeman, probably "apt-get source apt" would get the source, but I'm not real good with apt just yet :)
[08:08] <calc> Anubis: marillat's repo is for debian not ubuntu
[08:08] <GhostFreeman> ok
[08:08] <GhostFreeman> note taken
[08:08] <zenrox> whiskey_1,  it can run i have it installed
[08:08] <calc> Anubis: so apparently debian has newer libs now
[08:09] <whiskey_1> zenrox, well i hope you don't get caught
[08:09] <chadd> jintxo: maybe I should have patched 2.6.11 or something, this is confusing.
[08:09] <chadd> jintxo: I'm not sure -what- was installed where when I did a make modules_install
[08:09] <dcraven> GhostFreeman, according to "man apt-get" that would work.
[08:10] <Anubis> zenrox, I know how to add and remove sources, just which ones produce a good mix where mplayer can install properly so I can have streaming .mov files?
[08:10] <whiskey_1> zenrox, there is news today that even Canada is considering a DMCA...along with all that European Commission stuff
[08:10] <zenrox> Anubis, dont install that mplayer there is another one to install  , install this one mplayer-custom
[08:11] <chadd> jintxo: alright, I think I found the right version, thanks again.
[08:11] <zenrox> whiskey_1,  thay just dont like the idea opensource
[08:11] <dcraven> Anubis, mplayer-686 seems to work well here too.
[08:11] <kain> someone can explain this behaviour please? http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=2393
[08:11] <zenrox> Anubis,  all of thoes sources
[08:11] <whiskey_1> zenrox, well there are some people that don't want to give away all their work and ideas for free.
[08:11] <jintxo> chadd, lol you should have added "-chadd" to the kernel version when you compiled it so oyu knew which one was yours :-)
[08:11] <dcraven> Anubis, that's in uni/multiverse.
[08:11] <Anubis> mplayer-custom:
[08:11] <Anubis>  Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not going to be installed
[08:12] <chadd> jintxo: I did, but it didnt use that in modules_install
[08:12] <nullaresnata> Hello, i have a doubt here.
[08:12] <Anubis> it also says xmms HAS to be installed?
[08:12] <zenrox> Anubis,  install that
[08:12] <whiskey_1> zenrox, so there is a bitter disagreement between the consumer who wants to save money and the producer who wants to make money
[08:12] <zenrox> install all of thoes
[08:12] <jeanjean> how can i setup my usb printer
[08:12] <jeanjean> ?
[08:12] <chadd> jintxo: and here's where I reboot.
[08:12] <nullaresnata> I have runned the utf8migration tool and it gives me the following error (when renaming the files)
[08:12] <cyklus> Why does my CDROM drive not have DMA set on by default? and how do I set it permanently? ...i have an IBM T40 DVD/CDR burner drive
[08:12] <jintxo> excellent
[08:13] <zenrox> whiskey_1,  yep and the prducer that wants to make money uses linux to make the film then it gets pryted in a matter of hrs
[08:13] <whiskey_1> but the last i heard mplayer needs libavcodec and libavformat and these may violate copyright.
[08:13] <Anubis> mplayer-k6:
[08:13] <Anubis>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[08:13] <Anubis>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:13] <calc> Anubis: see what i told you above
[08:13] <Anubis> I can't even select these to install
[08:13] <nullaresnata> utf8migrationtool
[08:13] <nullaresnata> Traceback (most recent call last):
[08:13] <nullaresnata>   File "/usr/bin/utf8migrationtool", line 92, in change_setup
[08:13] <nullaresnata>     os.rename(oldfile, newfile)
[08:13] <nullaresnata> OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory
[08:14] <Anubis> calc, I saw that
[08:14] <Anubis> thx
[08:14] <jeanjean> how can i install my printer
[08:14] <calc> Anubis: so give up its not going to work :)
[08:14] <whiskey_1> i don't know if the issue will ever be resolved...some people don't even want to give away their cars or houses for free ...let alone all their work and investment
[08:14] <calc> Anubis: or you can download the source debs and recompile it
[08:15] <jintxo> cyklus, I think you need to use hdparm to enable dma on the cdrom
[08:15] <mchasard> is there a tool with ubuntu to save config on a usb key ?
[08:15] <Anubis> calc, can you stream this:    http://linktv.org/mosaic/streamsArchive/streamPop.php4?caller=http://www.archive.org/download&prefix=Mosaic20050406&name=Mosaic20050406&filetype=mov
[08:15] <dcraven> jeanjean, what printer?
[08:15] <lemonzest> just installed the amd64 build and done the ati drivers
[08:15] <mchasard> for a live cd use
[08:15] <lemonzest> and i have lost sound
[08:16] <lemonzest> which i had before
[08:16] <Anubis> calc, can apt download the sources and recompile for me?
[08:16] <jeanjean> dcraven, hp deskjet 840C
[08:16] <vrln> does ubuntu come with sshd by default? and how is it started?
[08:16] <jeanjean> dcraven, just plugged in
[08:16] <calc> Anubis: er no, i'm probably not even on the same arch as you anyway
[08:17] <vrln> ie, is it the standard /etc/init.d/sshd start?
[08:17] <calc> and no i can't play the thing since i have no plugin for it
[08:17] <GhostFreeman> <3
[08:18] <chadd> jintxo: that didnt work, same error "Kernel panic VFS error, unable to load fs 0,0" or something similar
[08:18] <chadd> jintxo: I didnt write it down ):
[08:19] <vrln> hm, seems like sshd isn't installed by default - what's the package name?
[08:19] <jintxo> chadd, why don't you recompile that kernel with all the stuff you need to boot compiled in? that way you don't need an initrd and if it still doesn't boot afterwards, you know the problem is something else (like a missing boot parameter or something)
[08:20] <chadd> jintxo: so mostly just the FS related stuff I'd imagine...
[08:20] <jintxo> yah, and SCSI or IDE stuff depending on your controller
 find: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/acpi: No such file or directory
[08:21] <dcraven> jeanjean, install the foomatic-db-hpijs package. Your driver is in there I believe.
[08:21] <chadd> jbailey: it was the wrong dir
[08:21] <jbailey> chadd: initrd-tools makes strong pretty strong assumptions that you're using a stock kernel.
[08:21] <chadd> jbailey: I rarely end up using a stock kernel
[08:21] <jbailey> chadd: The Breezy release will be quite a bit more flexible if everything goes to plan.
[08:22] <khj> Hi! Does anybody know how to disable a touchpad?
[08:22] <chadd> jbailey: I have an old laptop, with ram to make it usable, but the ram is not error free, so I need the badram patch compiled in, which is wher eall this comes from.
[08:22] <jbailey> Oh ouch.
[08:23] <jbailey> They have a patch to deal with bad ram?  That's crazy. =)
[08:23] <dcraven> khj, there is no hardware button beside the touchpad to disable it? Assuming a laptop I suppose...
[08:23] <chadd> jbailey: its fairly simple, the kernel deals with it, with very little overhead
[08:23] <Atreju85> Someone can help me with a sound problem, can't find a solution on the web: when I connect my Philips USB Webcam, sound doesn't work anymore :(
[08:23] <chadd> jbailey: ram for this old machine is hard to find, and not cheap.
[08:23] <khj> dcraven, no... no button (and yes it is a laptop...)
[08:23] <jbailey> chadd: Is it just a verify-after-write patch?
[08:24] <calc> http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/
[08:24] <chadd> jbailey: it takes an error log from memtest86+ and uses it as a exclude table, I believe
[08:24] <jbailey> Huh, that would be a'ight.  Just exclude pages from the available list.
[08:24] <chadd> jbailey: a verify/write patch I would think takes a higher penalty
[08:24] <dcraven> khj, did Ubuntu set up X automatically for you? and do you want to disable the touchpad permanently?
[08:24] <whiskey_1> it would be nice to have a gnome mime editor and a gnome menu editor for later versions
[08:25] <fissy> try denu
[08:25] <jbailey> chadd: It would also be unreliable, since you couldn't guarnatee that what you were verifying against wasn't bad.
[08:25] <khj> dcraven, yes and yes.
[08:25] <fissy> http://denu.sourceforge.net/ for menu editing
[08:25] <calc> so does it not work if the memory is bad in the first ~ 4MB?
[08:25] <chadd> jbailey: I think this particular ram chip is not progressivly degrading
[08:25] <chadd> jbailey: and I'm fine with running memtest86+ every couple months
[08:26] <dcraven> khj, if so, you could probably comment out the line that says "InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"" in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file under the "ServerLayout" section.
[08:26] <benja> can someone help me with CPU FRequency scalling
[08:26] <jbailey> calc: THanks. =)
[08:26] <dcraven> khj, that will probably work well. Assuming it's a Synaptics touchpad that is.. Otherwise it will be similar I'd imagine.
[08:27] <khj> dcraven, yes, well already tried that. But it didn't work...
[08:27] <dcraven> khj, really? haha
[08:27] <dcraven> khj, the touchpad still works properly? That's pretty robust :)
[08:27] <Atreju85> Someone can help me with a sound problem, can't find a solution on the web: when I connect my Philips USB Webcam, sound doesn't work anymore :(
[08:28] <khj> dcraven, I also have one of those red dots (can't remember what its called).
[08:28] <typo> I'm not getting any updates in update-manager because of the release right?
[08:28] <khj> dcraven, so I assume thats why...
[08:30] <cikilin> can i instal jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin without jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[08:30] <dcraven> khj, maybe set SendCoreEvents to false in the same file? Please backup your current file in case something goes awry.
[08:30] <enntee> Does anyone know why the theme preferences don't display the nifty little screenshots in Hoary?
[08:31] <khj> dcraven, will do.
[08:32] <Nekohayo> enntee, it does for me
[08:32] <Nekohayo> what do you mean?
[08:32] <dcraven> khj, adding "Disabled" after the "InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"" might work too. On the same line, with a space/tab between.
[08:32] <Lemonzest> any idea why i lost sound after installing the ati drivers?
[08:32] <dcraven> khj, most people have trouble getting things to work, I'm sure we can kill your touchpad.
[08:33] <whiskey_1> Lemonzest, i can't imagine why that would even be related...unless there is some kind of IRQ sharing problem
[08:33] <khj> dcraven, ok.
[08:33] <WeirdAl> Apt-get problems?
[08:34] <khj> dcraven, which editor should I use?
[08:34] <whiskey_1> Lemonzest, but most of those problems have been resolved with the newer mobos
[08:35] <dcraven> khj, whichever you are most comfortable with. "nano" is relatively simple.
[08:35] <dcraven> khj, just don't use OpenOffice or something ;P
[08:35] <Lemonzest> i have a amd64 system with a lanparty nf3 and the sound card is a soundblaster live
[08:35] <Lemonzest> the sound was working before the restart
[08:35] <jesper> khj: mc is quite simple too.
[08:36] <shaya> is it just me or are the archive.ubuntu servers overloaded?
[08:36] <Lemonzest> going to try the i386 version
[08:36] <whiskey_1> Lemonzest, well i don't know anything about the amd64...that stuff is too expensive for me
[08:36] <HWolf> shaya, they got slashdotted
[08:36] <dcraven> jesper, he/she just wants to edit a file :)
[08:36] <whiskey_1> Lemonzest, amd64 is like photoshop...too expensive for me
[08:36] <beowuff> Can someone send me the MD5 for hoary i386 install cd?
[08:37] <bestadvocate> hey kubuntu is going to pass up damn small on the 1 month distrowatch list :)
[08:37] <synic> beowuff: ae64f152496cef4d9c7f338c08922961
[08:37] <synic> beowuff: er...
[08:37] <synic> beowuff: hang on
[08:37] <samuel> what do you use to get your mail?
[08:37] <socomm> evolution
[08:37] <Telep> evolution
[08:37] <dcraven> samuel, evolution here.
[08:37] <Lemonzest> only cost me 600GBP
[08:37] <bestadvocate> thunderbird
[08:38] <synic> beowuff: f6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840
[08:38] <dcraven> bestadvocate, does thunderbird do virtual folders yet?
[08:38] <khj> dcraven, na, I'm trying to get comfortable with my command line. So I'm using whatever is available there. BTW how do I back up the file?
[08:38] <Rickdangerous> samuel,  fetchmail
[08:38] <samuel> id like to use fetchmail/dovecot/evolution, but i cant get dovecot to work
[08:38] <whiskey_1> why is kubuntu not popular there are some very interesting kde programs like katiuska
[08:38] <beowuff> synic, thanks.
[08:38] <bestadvocate> dcraven if i had any idea what a virtual folder was i would tell you
[08:38] <samuel> is courier-imap easier to configure?
[08:38] <whiskey_1> and everybody knows what katiuska is about
[08:38] <dancek> Hi, I'd like to congratulate you all on hoary release! I'm a debian user but decided to try Ubuntu - actually installing right now. Hopefully this is something I can recommend to my newbie friends. :)
[08:38] <socomm> Are the hoary repos now officially frozen?
[08:38] <ntoskrnl> hi
[08:38] <bestadvocate> i use it cause i cant figure out how to do news with evolution
[08:39] <dcraven> khj, just copy it like "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup".
[08:39] <dcraven> bestadvocate, probably not then :)
[08:39] <airco> does anyone remember the command which gives ya the list of which processes are using which devices? i thought it was lsproc but that doesn't seem to be it...
[08:39] <socomm> bestadvocate: Use pan, it's better suited for that sort of stuff.
[08:39] <dcraven> khj, nano is console.
[08:39] <khj> dcraven, yeah I just keep forgetting the different commands...
[08:39] <samuel> dcraven, no, thunderbird still doesnt do virtual folders, just tried it out
[08:39] <bestadvocate> socomm thanks but I tried pan, it gives me the KDE vibe though
[08:39] <dcraven> samuel, thanks.
[08:40] <Funraiser> where is synaptic on hoary?
[08:40] <socomm> bestadvocate: Pan is a GTK app, Tin is a QT app.
[08:40] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone has any first hand experiance with "edsadmin"
[08:40] <dcraven> Funraiser, /usr/sbin/synaptic
[08:40] <bestadvocate> socomm: its the design layout i was refering too
[08:40] <chiddy> has anybody seen this before (scroll down to 3d desktop pics/videos): http://biglinux.codigolivre.org.br/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=25
[08:40] <dcraven> Funraiser, "which synaptic" will tell you where in your path it is if you are interested.
[08:41] <ademar> Funraiser, in the menu Systen -> Administration
[08:41] <freet> hoi
[08:41] <ademar> ;)
[08:41] <socomm> bestadvocate: All right.
[08:41] <dcraven> Funraiser, or what ademar said.
[08:41] <samuel> Rickdangerous, ive got a small problem with fetchmail though... i think i might have forgotten to add a "purge command" on my fetchmailrc... its gotten like 10 copies of my mail and still going strong!!!
[08:41] <socomm> chiddy: That's old.
[08:41] <Rickdangerous> samuel, have you tried fetchmailconf?
[08:41] <bestadvocate> I am getting weird synapic problems (are we supposed to adjust the repo list with the release or something?
[08:41] <Funraiser> errr...i don't see it in system/administration...
[08:41] <Rickdangerous> samuel, the gui config. app
[08:41] <samuel> Rickdangerous, hmmmmmm.....
[08:41] <samuel> nop
[08:41] <chiddy> new for me :)
[08:42] <samuel> Rickdangerous, thanks
[08:42] <samuel> didnt think of that
[08:42] <Rickdangerous> np :)
[08:42] <dcraven> Funraiser, it's called "Synaptic Package Manager" in that menu.
[08:42] <WeirdAl> Are some apt-get servers for horay slashdotted?
[08:42] <WeirdAl> hoary*
[08:42] <jeanjean> i cant write with on my ntfs with normal user how can i change it in fstab
[08:43] <dcraven> jeanjean, I think writing to ntfs from Linux is a little dangerous still is it not?
[08:43] <Absenth> WeirdAl, since the Hoary release was slashdotted,  and the entire site was extremely slow to respond, I'd suspect so.  Even if by proxy.
[08:43] <dcraven> jeanjean, just thought I'd mention that.
[08:43] <khj> dcraven, by the way... I don't have the file you named, but I have one called XF86Config-4... That is the same right?
[08:43] <Funraiser> in my hoary i don't see "synaptic packet manager in system/administration
[08:43] <jeanjean> dcraven, just for docs
[08:43] <dcraven> khj, you are using Warty?
[08:43] <WeirdAl> OK
[08:43] <Funraiser> oh ok i think i know wht
[08:43] <Funraiser> why
[08:43] <WeirdAl> I'll leave it for now then
[08:43] <nauj27> hi
[08:43] <Beineri> socomm: tin? qt?
[08:43] <jeanjean> dcraven, i cant print with linux
[08:43] <InitMass> where can i find european mirrors?
[08:43] <khj> dcraven, yep
[08:43] <dcraven> khj, then yes.
[08:44] <socomm> Beineri: Dunno, haven't used news in a long time.
[08:44] <socomm> Tin maybe a CLI program.
[08:44] <Beineri> socomm: tin is console/curses
[08:44] <nauj27> i can't remember the e-mail address that i use to request warty cds, there are some way to recover the mail that i use?
[08:44] <ntoskrnl> can anyone give me a screenshot of his "ubunto distro"?
[08:44] <Absenth> from hoary unstable to the current full release, just a apt-get update, apt-get upgrade should be required.  Is this correct?
[08:44] <kain> ntoskrnl, http://archive.kuht.it/gnome_hoary.png
[08:44] <socomm> I was probably thinking of some other QT news reader.
[08:44] <freet> why is it that my root terminal always crashes the SECOND time i try to run it? :/
[08:44] <chiddy> socomm: any idea how to add that 3d stuff to ubuntu?
[08:45] <ntoskrnl> lol , italian , ?
[08:45] <Beineri> socomm: knode
[08:45] <tbird> apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[08:45] <kain> ntoskrnl, yes
[08:45] <bestadvocate> chiddy: download 3ddesk
[08:45] <zontology> did hoary just get released today?  the mirrors are slammed
[08:45] <socomm> chiddy: You most likely gotta compile it yourself.
[08:45] <ntoskrnl> its cool
[08:45] <socomm> chiddy: That's a custom XWindowing server, so ...
[08:45] <chadd> when it ubuntu going to have a POV boot sequence?
[08:45] <Absenth> zontology, if it didn't, Slashdot reported it as such today.
[08:45] <zontology> oh, yeah my live cd download yesterday was 4 times faster
[08:45] <chiddy> ahh, i'm going to dl their live cd and mtry it out
[08:45] <bestadvocate> chadd? whats POV?
[08:45] <vrln> anyone know if any official package repo is online?
[08:45] <Arnia> zontology: use torrents if you can
[08:46] <vrln> I've tried fi, se and us
[08:46] <vrln> all down or 0.5 kb sec
[08:46] <socomm> Beineri: Yes, I think that's it.
[08:46] <chadd> bestadvocate: Persistance of Vision - ie Ray Traced
[08:46] <chadd> bestadvocate: it was a tounge in cheek remark
[08:46] <bestadvocate> ok
[08:47] <chadd> bestadvocate: like asking for a vector graphics rendering X-server
[08:47] <dcraven> ntoskrnl, here is a forum thread dedicated to Ubuntu screenshots --> http://tinyurl.com/5plln
[08:47] <alterim> hey
[08:47] <chadd> X-VRML!!
[08:47] <alterim> can someone tell me the simplest way to burn a .iso in ubuntu ?
[08:47] <whiskey_1> i don't think there is anyone who doesn't know about katiuska or k3b or k3d
[08:47] <chadd> I clearly have time to kill whilst my kernel builds
[08:47] <vrln> anyone?
[08:47] <InitMass> where can i find european mirrors?
[08:47] <dcraven> alterim, right click on it, and choose Write to CD.
[08:47] <Absenth> I should launch the torrent download here at work, and leave the client open all weekend to ease the load.
[08:47] <chadd> alterim: with a cd, preferably a burnable one
[08:47] <dcraven> alterim, assuming GNOME.
[08:48] <freet> does anyone know why root terminal crashes from the second time i try to run it, not the first time?
[08:48] <dancek> vrln: downloading right now from fi at 15kB/s (which is bad...)
[08:48] <guaiacum> lol
[08:48] <alterim> (no prizes for guessing what it is i'm trying to burn!) hehe
[08:48] <socomm> Clearlooks is awesome.
[08:48] <alterim> oh shit yeah
[08:48] <alterim> haha thanks
[08:48] <dcraven> alterim, Write to Disc rather...
[08:48] <dcraven> alterim, no sweat.
[08:48] <zontology> Arnia: cool thx, actually the torrent is picking up speed nicely, 40K now
[08:48] <cavediver> Does anyone know if there are swedish mirrors of apt-repositorys ?
[08:48] <ademar> cavediver, apt-setup
[08:49] <jesper> cavediver: se.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:50] <cavediver> jesper: thanks/tack
[08:50] <mjr> it might interest this channel that I just heard from #debian-devel that XGI apparently has released their Volari 3d chipset driver source to Linux/X developers
[08:50] <Fator_Dee> XGI? Volari?
[08:51] <fitheach> hi everybody.
[08:51] <cikilin> can i install on warty 4.10 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[08:51] <cikilin> can i install on warty 4.10 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[08:51] <cikilin> can i install on warty 4.10 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[08:51] <mjr> Fator_Dee, XGI is a not-so-well-known 3D graphics chip manufacturer
[08:51] <samuel> Rickdangerous, fetchmailconf... really easy... thanks :)
[08:51] <mjr> Fator_Dee, and Volari is their chipset series name
[08:51] <Rickdangerous> samiam, glad to hear that :)
[08:51] <thenuke> cikilin: can you not flood?
[08:52] <Fator_Dee> mjr: ok, kind of thought something like that
[08:52] <grayman> <---is lost
[08:52] <thenuke> cikilin: http://ubuntuguide.org/ follow this guide about how to install that jre-1_5...
[08:52] <grayman> and waaaayyyy out of his comfort zone
[08:53] <bestadvocate> DAMMIT mono _still_ does not work
[08:53] <mainer> cikilin:file:  ///home/gregl/documents/Ubuntu.html
[08:53] <MacIver> any ubuntu heads wanna test something for me?
[08:53] <AstralJava> MacIver: Not sure, but shoot. We'll see. :)
[08:54] <dcraven> MacIver, I'm betting it depends what it is...
[08:54] <bestadvocate> MacIver: i dotn care what it is I must do it!
[08:54] <Funraiser> how come when I do "Ctrl ALt backspace" to reboot, it doesn't work, and I have to type startx to launch Ubuntu...??
[08:54] <Funraiser> it used to work on warty
[08:55] <Fator_Dee> it doesn't reboot
[08:55] <RastaMahata> damnit, hoary fucked up my system
[08:55] <Fator_Dee> restarts X
[08:55] <RastaMahata> :(
[08:55] <MacIver> 1. open nautilus file browser, 2. find mp3 file, 3. right click mp3 select properties, 4. close properties window, 5. right click sam mp3 file and select properties again
[08:55] <bestadvocate> Factor_Dee: is the backspace button broken?
[08:55] <bestadvocate> ;)
[08:55] <ohgood> so, is there a sources list somewhere for nice stuffs like mplayer* ?
[08:55] <crimsun> ohgood: mplayer is in multiverse.
[08:55] <delire> cikilin: the most trouble way to have a working java install in my experience is using the http://sun.com/java and following the instructions there
[08:55] <dcraven> Funraiser, is gdm running?
[08:55] <wezzer-> ohgood: mplayer is pretty easy to compile too
[08:56] <ohgood> crimsun, multiverse ?
[08:56] <ohgood> wezzer, i have a gentoo partition for compilation ;)
[08:56] <RastaMahata> anyone knows what's wrong with nvidia?
[08:56] <MacIver> let me know if nautilus hangs or not
[08:56] <wezzer> ohgood: ok :)
[08:56] <dcraven> Damn.. I gotta split. Later all.
[08:56] <Funraiser> dcraven, what's the ID of gdm?
[08:56] <bestadvocate> woh MacIver: it hung like a (obsene joke incerted here)
[08:56] <mainer> cikilin:  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:56] <RastaMahata> i install nvidia-glx and i cant start xorg
[08:56] <crimsun> ohgood: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:56] <MacIver> bestadvocate: sweet!
[08:57] <ademar> RastaMahata, doesnt work, i have installedhear in my machine with nvdia onboard withjout problems
[08:57] <AstralJava> MacIver: What's supposed to happen?
[08:57] <bestadvocate> MacIver: off to bugzilla with you!
[08:57] <ademar> hear = here
[08:57] <dcraven> Funraiser, "ps aux | grep gdm"
[08:57] <RastaMahata> ademar, what?
[08:57] <MacIver> bestadvocate: at least i know it's not my fault ;-)
[08:57] <ademar> nvidia
[08:57] <ohgood> crimsun, ty sir
[08:57] <bestadvocate> MacIver ehehhe
[08:57] <RastaMahata> ademar, i mean video
[08:57] <dabi> why is the file transfer to my mp3 player so damn slow comaperd to windows?
[08:57] <RastaMahata> does it work for you or not?
[08:57] <Funraiser> dcraven, i shall type that?
[08:58] <ademar> the nvidia video card right?
[08:58] <RastaMahata> yeah
[08:58] <RastaMahata> i cant start xorg if i set it to nvidia
[08:58] <khj> dcraven, you gone?
[08:58] <RastaMahata> im running in nv
[08:58] <bestadvocate> MacIver: you reported it?
[08:58] <AstralJava> MacIver: Nothing's wrong on this end.
[08:58] <ademar> me too
[08:58] <MacIver> bestadvocate: going now
[08:58] <MacIver> AstralJava: it worked for you?
[08:59] <ademar> with nv
[08:59] <RastaMahata> ademar, so "nvidia" doesnt work for you?
[08:59] <delire> ..
[08:59] <bestadvocate> tell me what number it is when you do i want  abookmark
[08:59] <ademar> never
[08:59] <AstralJava> MacIver: Yeah, there's a tenth of a second when Nautilus thinks what it should do right after the second Properties click, but it works.
[08:59] <ademar> tried a lot of times
[08:59] <RastaMahata> well, it worked for me in warty...
[08:59] <MacIver> AstralJava: even after the second try?
[08:59] <spanglesontoast> anyone know about sound?
[09:00] <imnes> I've been tracking hoary for the last few months, and some updates pushed within the last week have made nautilus act weird.  It's browsing in spacial mode, but when I click to open a folder, it opens in a new window and closes the existing window.  (I think middle-clicking used to do this). Is that the default behavior now?
[09:00] <AstralJava> MacIver: Yeah, I can do it as many times as I like. Always the same functionality.
[09:00] <MacIver> AstralJava: weird
[09:00] <fitheach> may be it is a dumb question, but how can I activate an ident server or install it? may be I am simply blind and can't find it ....
[09:00] <khj> Anybody knows how to map special-keys?
[09:00] <slashg> I've just updated to hoary... everything worked well, but I've got problems with audio... I have some sound, but when I try to use rhythmbox, it says: ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program.... can any one help?
[09:01] <Funraiser> dcraven, no it's not running, gdm that is
[09:01] <ohgood> hmm, the 'multiverse' howto's are down, is there a mirror somewhere ?
[09:01] <RastaMahata> woah, xmms gave me a segmentation fault!
[09:01] <delire> spanglesontoast: what not working?
[09:01] <AstralJava> MacIver: Nothing seems to break it for me, no changing the left pane view, no maximizing/changing the size of the window...
[09:02] <spanglesontoast> well I really want to switch a different sound modules so it's the defualt for sound
[09:02] <whiskey_1> well i see 84 people in kubuntu so it is not as unpopular as you people think
[09:02] <whiskey_1> #kubuntu
[09:02] <Rubin> do the screenshots on the homepage have a bad mime type for anyone else but me? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view
[09:03] <Rubin> pngfile instead of png
[09:03] <delire> ..
[09:03] <Rubin> it wants to download them instead of view them
[09:03] <delire> spanglesontoast: what drivers (modules) are you using now? oss or alsa?
[09:03] <spanglesontoast> alsa
[09:03] <Funraiser> imnes, now when u double click middle button it does the opposite
[09:03] <delire> Rubin: yes the first three do for me.
[09:04] <Rubin> wonder if the webmaster is in here?
[09:04] <delire> spanglesontoast: so alsa is not working?
[09:04] <ztonzy> yay
[09:04] <delire> ztonzy: i know that name ;)
[09:04] <ztonzy> delire, long time no see
[09:04] <spanglesontoast> it is just I want to swap the modules so I have the onboard as the main for my sound
[09:04] <delire> sure!
[09:04] <MacIver> bestadvocate: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173106
[09:04] <tomek> any hint on d5d plugin location for current xine ?
[09:04] <ztonzy> delire, where have you been ?
[09:05] <RusLinCom> To whom it is necessary mc with support utf8???
[09:05] <delire> ztonzy: all around the planet since we last spoke ;)
[09:05] <Funraiser> gdm stands for what? ...graphical device manager?
[09:05] <wezzer> something like that
[09:05] <ztonzy> delire, and now in DK ?
[09:05] <ztonzy> delire, world citizen !
[09:05] <jack|w> gdm?  I thought that was the login manager for gnome?
[09:05] <wezzer> actually its the graphical start "thing"
[09:05] <delire> spanglesontoast: so you have two soundcards? one onboard and another standard PCI?
[09:05] <wezzer> where you login
[09:05] <ztonzy> delire, I use Kubuntu these days
[09:05] <RuKK> gdm is gnome's login manager :x
[09:05] <spanglesontoast> yea
[09:05] <jack|w> "gnome desktop manager" or something
[09:05] <delire> ztonzy: yep now working in DK
[09:06] <ztonzy> delire, CPH ?
[09:06] <delire> ztonzy: ahah good for you! how are you finding it?
[09:06] <ohgood> does anyone know of a working mirror for 'multiverse' repos ? I'm trying to install mplayer
[09:06] <spanglesontoast> it mains the pci the one for sound
[09:06] <delire> ztonzy: yep
[09:06] <spanglesontoast> *make
[09:06] <ztonzy> delire, quite easy :)
[09:06] <delire> ztonzy: great ;) (k)ubuntu is a good distribution of linux
[09:06] <netsniper> Our University LUG offers images to the public on a Gigabit connected FTP server, so get Ubuntu here: ftp://ftp.umasslug.org/iso/Ubuntu/Hoary/
[09:06] <RuKK> anybody notice that the 5.04 livecd doesnt autodetect serial mice? :X
[09:07] <ztonzy> delire, used Fedora, shortly debian, then Ubuntu,  had some issues filesystem errors+network...concluded it was my mainboard...so used XP during two mpnths
[09:07] <delire> ztonzy: you made a good choice (either this or Mepis)..
[09:07] <nasdaq7> why suddely kunbuntu?
[09:07] <Funraiser> dcraven, the graphical login thing works yes (if that's gdm)
[09:07] <RuKK> ztonzy: could just as easily be ram
[09:07] <ztonzy> delire, now with new mobo (old one was nforce2ultra) VIA KT600  rocks!
[09:07] <maswan> netsniper: think you can handle a spike like this? http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html
[09:07] <khj> Anybody knows how to map special-keys?
[09:07] <nasdaq7> why suddely kunbuntu?
[09:07] <delire> ztonzy: ahah, well you're still using Debian now..
[09:07] <Funraiser> dcraven actually let me check
[09:07] <delire> ztonzy: hehe KT600 is a good board
[09:08] <ztonzy> delire, thanks, I met Jono Bacon at last years Blender Conference, very shortly we spoke, he tipped me about Ununtu then :D
[09:08] <netsniper> maswan, seems to be going fine :-)
[09:08] <ztonzy> RuKK, nope...I ran 30 hours of memtest...no errors
[09:08] <delire> spanglesontoast: hey don't msg me. so you want to use the onboard sound card? run 'lspci | grep audo
[09:08] <netsniper> anybody who is downloading from our LUG, let me know your speeds
[09:08] <spanglesontoast> what that do?
[09:08] <delire> spanglesontoast: 'lspci | grep audio' and tell me the output
[09:08] <ztonzy> delire, yes :)  but I am getting hang of "debian behavior" now
[09:08] <spanglesontoast> k
[09:08] <delire> ztonzy: ahah Jono's a good chap
[09:08] <netsniper> you can also msg me if it slows down...
[09:08] <RuKK> ztonzy: ahh. probably your hard drive then
[09:08] <spanglesontoast> nothing comes out
[09:09] <whiskey_1> nasdaq7, it is not suddenly...kubuntu serves a useful purpose with apps like koffice, kexi, katiuska, k3b, k3d, kcoulorpaint, and that new kde gimp app
[09:09] <ztonzy> RuKK, lol not that either
[09:09] <delire> ztonzy: apt is pretty addictive.. i've been a junkie for around 7 years ;)
[09:09] <RuKK> how did you test it?
[09:09] <ztonzy> RuKK, it was bad mobo
[09:09] <RuKK> ahh
[09:09] <xulin> hi
[09:09] <ztonzy> delire, hehe
[09:09] <spanglesontoast> dlire, nothing comes out
[09:09] <delire> ztonzy: so you installed blender?
[09:09] <xulin> this is a missing package in hoary !
[09:09] <ztonzy> delire, and of course you still use Blender ?
[09:09] <delire> spanglesontoast: well then you have no sound cards..
[09:09] <ztonzy> delire, always
[09:09] <delire> ztonzy: everyday ;)
[09:09] <ztonzy> delire, compile my own
[09:09] <spanglesontoast> huh
[09:09] <delire> ztonzy: ;)
[09:10] <delire> ztonzy: ahah, always the best way
[09:10] <spanglesontoast> well sound comes out when I press xmms
[09:10] <ztonzy> delire, seen the last changes ?
[09:10] <ztonzy> delire, transform widgets ?
[09:10] <xulin> impossible to find : "ubuntu-calendar-april" ..
[09:10] <ohgood> this link to 'multiverse' is broken: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543          is there somewehre eles i can get a listing for 'multiverse' ?
[09:10] <xulin> is it normal :o ? lol
[09:10] <delire> spanglesontoast: try 'lspci' and look for Audio or Multimedia Audio Controller
[09:10] <khj> Anybody knows how to map special-keys (eg. volume buttons)?
[09:11] <delire> ztonzy: no i haven't... i'm still hanging on 2.36
[09:11] <ztonzy> delire, for a long while I actually wondered where you went, didnt see you around in blender channels
[09:11] <spanglesontoast> ya got 2
[09:11] <ztonzy> delire, aah...they are very nice
[09:11] <delire> ztonzy: i have been working flat out. teaching..
[09:11] <ztonzy> delire, and now mesh displist is refactored...even faster SubSurf now
[09:11] <spanglesontoast> dlire, got 2
[09:11] <MacIver> bestadvocate: you could put your comment of hang too there :)
[09:11] <RuKK> where would I point xorg.conf for a serial mouse? /dev/ttys0/mouse or what?
[09:11] <delire> ztonzy: i've been getting into teaching blender. with a couple of days of hand-holding the kids love it.
[09:12] <ztonzy> delire, they pay you all over world for you to teach ? :O
[09:12] <delire> ztonzy: great, faster subsurf. good news..
[09:12] <delire> ztonzy: mostly in europe..
[09:12] <delire> ztonzy: and mostly OSS game development
[09:12] <spanglesontoast> ya got 2 delire
[09:12] <spanglesontoast> ..........
[09:12] <ztonzy> delire, I can hand you a compile if you want
[09:12] <ztonzy> delire, dreamjob ;)
[09:13] <delire> spanglesontoast: ok what are the card names?
[09:13] <delire> ztonzy: hehe.. ok
[09:13] <RuKK> delire: are you familiar with rhino3d?
[09:13] <spanglesontoast> VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[09:13] <whiskey_1> ztonzy, well blender seems to work here but i don't know how to use it...but i hear it is competitive with k3d
[09:13] <delire> RuKK: sure.. it's ok
[09:13] <ztonzy> RuKK, expensive app
[09:13] <spanglesontoast> and C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
[09:13] <RuKK> I've been using it for about 4 years, love it. how hard, with that experience, do you think it would be to learn blender?
[09:13] <ztonzy> whiskey_1, heh....I guess it beats k3d in usage ;)
[09:13] <delire> spanglesontoast: 'lsmod | grep ac97'
[09:14] <whiskey_1> ztonzy, well i can't use either one
[09:14] <ztonzy> RuKK, not if you are ready for it
[09:14] <delire> RuKK: if you take your time learning blender you will be greatly rewarded. it's far more powerful than Rhino. i switched from Maya to Blender a few years ago and have never looked back.
[09:14] <spanglesontoast> ok got some sutff what do I want?
[09:14] <ztonzy> whiskey_1, getting into 3D isnt easy
[09:14] <Sauron21> I was wondering if anyone knew of a good front end firewall?...or maybe a front end to IPtables?
[09:15] <ztonzy> apokryphos, evening
[09:15] <Fator_Dee> Sauron21: firestarter
[09:15] <whiskey_1> ztonzy, hah..getting into 2d is not easy...i can't even use microsoft paint
[09:15] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey
[09:15] <delire> Sauron21: for a non-gui one i can reccommend shorewall
[09:15] <RuKK> well, I like rhino + maya for rendering alot, but having to maintain a windows workstation is annoying me, so maybe I'll give blender a shot.
[09:15] <apokryphos> channel growing =)
[09:15] <ztonzy> RuKK, join either user community and try to jump the rail for learning it
[09:15] <ztonzy> whiskey_1, hehe
[09:15] <delire> spanglesontoast: so the ac97 intel card is the card you want to run full time?
[09:15] <ohgood> is there a nice howto for installing xine-ui then, that will play dvd's ?
[09:15] <spanglesontoast> ya
[09:16] <Sauron21> I have tested shorewall....I didnt like it all that much....maybe to many options...hehe
[09:16] <delire> spanglesontoast: look in /etc/modules to see if you have the cmedia card driver also listed there. if this is the card you *don't* want to run, then comment it out (eg with a '#')
[09:16] <Sauron21> but firestarter looked cool....
[09:16] <ztonzy> delire, compiled moments ago
[09:16] <Fator_Dee> Sauron21: I'd recommend firestarter
[09:16] <spanglesontoast> nope it isn't
[09:16] <Funraiser> my system is not shutting down properly: i have to type shutdown -r now ...WTF?
[09:16] <chicken> hey every one :P
[09:17] <delire> ztonzy: hey best you upload it. this machine is firewalled to the roof. then msg me.
[09:17] <Nekohayo> hello chiddy
[09:17] <Nekohayo> uh chicken I mean
[09:17] <delire> spanglesontoast: when you write to me use my name so i can see what you're saying
[09:17] <ztonzy> delire, sure !
[09:17] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[09:17] <chicken_man> can some one tell me how to unzip tar.gz files then the .tar file ?
[09:17] <delire> ztonzy: thanks btw.. it will save me an hour..
[09:17] <spanglesontoast> delire nothing there
[09:17] <ohgood> so, should I give up on useing xine in ubuntu too ? :|
[09:18] <delire> chicken_manL tar xvzf file.tar.gz
[09:18] <Fator_Dee> ohgood: why?
[09:18] <chicken_man> thanks
[09:18] <Fator_Dee> I'm happily using xine and mplayer, no problems
[09:18] <ztonzy> delire, that much :) ?
[09:18] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, welll, i've been trying to find repos for mplayer, for about 20 minutes, and seen no response on it... either
[09:18] <holycow> hey, how do i install java via apt?  there used to be blackdown java for debian, how is it recommended on ubuntu?
[09:19] <delire> ztonzy: sure.. downloading the source, grabbing the libraries and compiling..
[09:19] <wezzer> holycow: check www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:19] <holycow> danke!
[09:19] <Fator_Dee> I thought it's in multi or universe, or I was seeing dreams when I installed it half an hour ago
[09:19] <Funraiser> where is it to change the login theme?
[09:19] <delire> spanglesontoast: so what card do you want to run.. the ac97 or the cmedia?
[09:19] <spanglesontoast> delire nothing there in /etc/modules
[09:19] <Funraiser> to change the login theme in hoary where is it?
[09:19] <Fator_Dee> mplayer that is
[09:19] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, yes, the tutorial sayd 'multiverse' but that page is dead
[09:19] <delire> spanglesontoast: nothing in the file at all?
[09:20] <whiskey_1> ohgood, well there is something serious going on in Europe and Canada
[09:20] <ztonzy> delire, I see yes
[09:20] <holycow> what, there is no debian way to install java? dangit!
[09:20] <ohgood> whiskey_1, you mean, servers, or politics ?
[09:20] <holycow> i hate bypassing apt
[09:20] <Bazzi> holycow there is one
[09:20] <spanglesontoast> well stuff but nothing to do with the sound modules
[09:20] <whiskey_1> ohgood, political issues about copyrights and patents and trade secrets and trademarks
[09:21] <jesper> holycow: apt-get install kaffe
[09:21] <delire> holycow: java isn't compatible with the Free licenses
[09:21] <Bazzi> holycow theres a java repository
[09:21] <ohgood> whiskey_1, what i'm refering to  is just hte absense of a listing of repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[09:21] <delire> holycow: i think 'blackdown' or similar name is one non-sun debian package.
[09:21] <ohgood> whiskey_1, the repos aren't even listed now
[09:21] <Funraiser> whiskey_1, yes it's huge but we'll still be able to use open source
[09:21] <Fator_Dee> ohgood: strange, because I see it on my synaptic
[09:21] <whiskey_1> ohgood, well the mplayer server is in hungary
[09:22] <xiaogil> How to make a replace the searched expression /\d\([^0-9.\t] \) by the same with \t between \d and \([^0-9.\t] \) ?
[09:22] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, please try the link, you'll see why i can't get the repos
[09:22] <spanglesontoast> delire, well stuff but nothing to do with the sound modules
[09:22] <Fator_Dee> but why is the link so important?
[09:22] <whiskey_1> ohgood, here try this url
[09:23] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, well, how else shall i add a multiverse to /etc/apt/source-list ?
[09:23] <whiskey_1> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html
[09:23] <[Phaedrus] > hmm... am i right in guessing that hotmail doesnt work with firefox at the moment?
[09:23] <zafar> um im running ubuntu preview and apt-get updating isnt quite working
[09:23] <zafar> its hitting files with all 0 bytes
[09:23] <ohgood> whiskey_1, yes, i've seen this befor
[09:23] <Fator_Dee> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[09:23] <ohgood> whiskey_1, i'm refering to ubuntu's wiki not working.....
[09:23] <Fator_Dee> that works for me
[09:23] <ohgood> fabbione, ok, i'll try adding that, ty sir.
[09:23] <whiskey_1> ohgood, at the bottom of the page you can go examine further for source files or whatever
[09:23] <fissy> [Phaedrus] , working for me
[09:24] <whiskey_1> but it is none of my business
[09:24] <bufalo73> [Phaedrus] , I can use it with FF w/o problems
[09:24] <ztonzy> delire, check PM
[09:24] <Fator_Dee> and the same server works for universe, just change the multi to uni
[09:24] <punkrockguy318> How do I get input from the user through bash?  I want to ask a yes/no quesiton
[09:24] <Funraiser> [Phaedrus] , u are mistaken hotmail works with firefox at the moment
[09:24] <spanglesontoast> delire, well stuff but nothing to do with the sound modules
[09:25] <samuel> can i get evolution to use the /var/spool/mail/mail file instead of its own inbox?
[09:25] <samuel> ive tried a symlink but it just overwrites it
[09:25] <samuel> mabe a hard link?
[09:27] <ztonzy> delire, you use Debian or Ubuntu ?
[09:27] <spanglesontoast> delire, you still there?
[09:27] <Funraiser> to shutdown it is "sudo shutdown now" right?
[09:27] <RastaMahata> xmms is broken, hard drives dont show up, I dont have 3d accel (nvidia is broken)... what the hell, I thought this was stable :(
[09:27] <AstralJava> Funraiser: add -h after shutdown
[09:28] <Funraiser> AstralJava, what is h for,
[09:28] <Funraiser> ?
[09:28] <AstralJava> Funraiser: halt
[09:28] <AstralJava> If you want to reboot, it's -r
[09:28] <Funraiser> thanks
[09:28] <ohgood> RastaMahata, how did you install nvidia ?
[09:28] <RastaMahata> ohgood, i had it installed in warty, upgraded, x didnt start...
[09:28] <RastaMahata> so I manually changed the xorg.conf from nvidia to nv
[09:29] <RastaMahata> now I'm running on nv
[09:29] <wezzer> RastaMahata: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:29] <RastaMahata> I already did that, no cigar
[09:29] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, you installed the nvidia binary /
[09:29] <RastaMahata> nvidia-glx
[09:29] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, sudo modprobe nvidia
[09:29] <ztonzy> RastaMahata, or  'apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx'   and then 'nvidia-glx-config enable'
[09:29] <Funraiser> how come my system is not shutting down directly? why do i have to type "sudo shutdown -h now"?
[09:29] <RastaMahata> aight, be right back
[09:30] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, edit your config file and re-start X
[09:30] <chiyo-chan> does anyone know how to tell the livecd to use the vesa x.org drivers?
[09:30] <Fator_Dee> ohgood: any luck with the mplayer now?
[09:30] <AstralJava> Funraiser: What did you try first?
[09:30] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, it says i have to specify which version i want, but all fail-
[09:30] <epicenter> How do I mount my FAT32 partition in Ubuntu? ... it doesn't seem to be showing up in cfdisk O.o
[09:31] <yacoob> Greetings.
[09:31] <epicenter> ah, nevermind.
[09:31] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, it says libavcodec2 is not installable - ?
[09:31] <epicenter> my bad
[09:31] <Funraiser> i tried to system/log out
[09:31] <delire> jesper: ahah that's it 'kaffe'
[09:31] <delire> spanglesontoast: write to me with my name else i can't find you. i have 6 terminals open here and three channels
[09:31] <delire> ..
[09:32] <ztonzy> Danten, gokvll ;)
[09:32] <AstralJava> Funraiser: And then Shutdown, right?
[09:32] <Funraiser> AstralJava, i tried "system/log out" the normal thing
[09:32] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[09:32] <yacoob> Just a simple question, is ubuntu capable of installing on lvm volume?
[09:32] <Funraiser> AstralJava, and yes after shutdown
[09:32] <spanglesontoast> delire, well I cannot find anything to do with sound modules
[09:32] <AstralJava> Funraiser: What does happen after that?
[09:32] <chickenman> i can't mount my floppy help please :(
[09:32] <LinuxJones> chiyo-chan, pass the option xmodule=vesa at boot time
[09:33] <Funraiser> AstralJava, i get a "console like" screen with many lines
[09:33] <Funraiser> AstralJava, waiting for ever
[09:33] <chiyo-chan> LinuxJones: thank you
[09:33] <LinuxJones> chiyo-chan, hope it works for you :)
[09:33] <chiyo-chan> :)
[09:33] <AstralJava> Funraiser: What's the last, say, five lines on that screen?
[09:33] <Funraiser> AstralJava, so i type the sudo shutdown -h now thing
[09:33] <chickenman> need help mounting floppy drive
[09:34] <ohgood> man, i could have compiled mplayer by now!
[09:34] <Funraiser> AstralJava, i'll write this down, and i'll come right back
[09:34] <AstralJava> Funraiser: Sure thing.
[09:34] <gds> I moved swap partition over and now the system don't boot :-(... It says :" Attempt to access beyond end of device \n error reading memory image"
[09:34] <holycow> oh
[09:34] <spanglesontoast> delire, /etc/modules nothing to do with the sould modules you said about
[09:35] <holycow> i love the fact the packages are signed
[09:35] <spanglesontoast> delire, /etc/modules nothing to do with the sound modules you said about
[09:35] <holycow> thats fucking amazing
[09:35] <RastaMahata> modprobe nvidia; edit xorg.conf didnt work :(, reinstall neither
[09:35] <chickenman> <error mount: can't find /mnt/floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab > help please
[09:35] <hohlraum> why is evolution showing up uder Applications / Office as Evolution and under Applications / Internet as Evolution Mail    .. whyis it even in there twice to begin with?
[09:35] <ohgood> is there some other repo i need for mplayer besides 'multiverse', as all the mlplayer types i try error out ?
[09:35] <RastaMahata> what can I do to use nvidia module?
[09:35] <RastaMahata> please, help here...
[09:35] <nmoore> chickenman: did you specify a device and a mount point?
[09:36] <chickenman> nmoore, ehhhh the drive shows up
[09:36] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, did you follow the steps in the binary howto ?
[09:36] <Fator_Dee> ohgood: do you have universe enabled?
[09:36] <yacoob> hm, anyone?
[09:36] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, yes
[09:36] <AstralJava> chickenman: You need to add a line to /etc/fstab that specifies the device, mount point and parametres for that mount
[09:36] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: what binary howto?
[09:36] <Fator_Dee> then I'd guess marillat
[09:36] <chickenman> right ill try that
[09:36] <gds> Yes... I modified /etc//mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf
[09:36] <RastaMahata> I just apt-getted nvidia-glx :(
[09:36] <Fator_Dee> I'll check
[09:36] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, ok, let me see if that howto is working....
[09:36] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, search the webpage for binaryhowto and follow the instructions
[09:37] <RastaMahata> aight
[09:37] <netsniper> Get Hoary right now! ftp://ftp.umasslug.org/iso/Ubuntu/Hoary/
[09:37] <AstralJava> chickenman: You could try this: /dev/fd0 		/media/floppy 		auto 		rw,noauto,user,sync 		0 0
[09:37] <gds> How can I make initrd.img?
[09:38] <linuzo> How do I redo the sound setup? is there a script I can run?
[09:39] <ohgood> Fator_Dee, i'm adding 'marliate' now... we'll see
[09:39] <AstralJava> gds: man mkinitrd tells you all the details.
[09:40] <djm62> Congratulations on the release, any devs here
[09:41] <AstralJava> djm62: I've seen a couple lurking in the corners. You can do what I did, and go tell your feelings on #ubuntu-devel.
[09:41] <AstralJava> djm62: I bet they're all starting their release parties though. :)
[09:41] <kangpeh> Greetings, friends.
[09:41] <AstralJava> I know I would. ;)
[09:41] <ohgood> Fator_Dee,  BAH! still the same errors. i'm giving up on dvd playback with ubuntu now.
[09:41] <djm62> so they should...
[09:41] <kangpeh> I am approximately 71% decided on switching to Ubuntu, from Fedora Core 3.
[09:41] <kangpeh> However, a few circumstances will be governing my decision.
[09:42] <chickenman> how do i open fstab ?
[09:42] <mackid_iBook> so is there linux-restricted-modules-2.6.11-1-* yet?  because i don't see them...
[09:42] <kangpeh> As such, I was wondering if anyone would be able to answer a few simple questions - of which I know not the answer to.
[09:42] <t3rror_> kangpeh, i would suggest going with it
[09:42] <mackid_iBook> and also, are 2.6.11 kernels stable?
[09:42] <djm62> I'm using hoary on a newish hp nx9020 laptop, everything works perfectly, almost no config needed
[09:42] <kangpeh> t3rror_:  Would it be possible, if you could advise me, as to the packaging support in Ubuntu?
[09:42] <AstralJava> chickenman: 'sudo nano /etc/fstab' in the console, for instance.
[09:42] <t3rror_> kangpeh, it is great
[09:42] <spanglesontoast> anyone can help me with my sound modules?
[09:42] <t3rror_> apt-get
[09:42] <linuzo> How do I setup the sound on here ubuntu hoary?
[09:42] <t3rror_> using symaptic is even easier
[09:42] <kangpeh> t3rror_: Most all popular open source software, I have found, has .RPM packages for Fedora Core 3.
[09:42] <djm62> given that I remember trying to configure ISA cards on kernel 2.2, I'm stunned
[09:43] <AstralJava> Funraiser: Any success now?
[09:43] <mmpf> anyone using lineak?
[09:43] <jbailey> gds: What are you doing that you need to generate it?
[09:43] <kangpeh> t3rror_: Doth Ubuntu have such support by the community?
[09:43] <ohgood> oh good grief, no mp3 support either ? :|
[09:43] <t3rror_> yes
[09:43] <mackid_iBook> linuzo, it should work if you have common sound hardware, try alsamixer and make sure it's turned up
[09:43] <kangpeh> t3rror_:  In other words, let's say I find some software - if I google for it, I can find Fedora Core 3 built RPM packages.
[09:43] <t3rror_> name some apps
[09:43] <LinuxJones> ohgood, it's easy to install mp3 platback
[09:43] <kangpeh> t3rror_: MPlayer
[09:43] <djm62> ohgood: there are many guides to installing it
[09:43] <t3rror_> if they are mainstream (ie. popular) then they will be
[09:43] <t3rror_> yes
[09:43] <Funraiser> AstralJava, well :-) now everything works fine...
[09:43] <Funraiser> lol
[09:43] <RastaMahata> BinaryHowto are the steps I follwed, but I'm still unable to use the nvidia graphic module :(
[09:43] <Funraiser> AstralJava, thanks anyway
[09:43] <AstralJava> kangpeh: You can use alien to make a .deb package out of said .rpm package.
[09:43] <AstralJava> Funraiser: Good to hear!
[09:44] <djm62> google ubuntu mp3 quicktime for a walkthrough guide to esoteric proprietary media on ubuntu
[09:44] <linuzo> mackid, I do have the sound turned up..  I just changed my motherboard so wouldn't I have to resetup for this driver??
[09:44] <RastaMahata> help? :(
[09:44] <ohgood> LinuxJones, djm62 , i've just spent 45 minute strying to install mplayer, i don't want to waste more time just trying for mp3-
[09:44] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, sudo lsmod | grep nvidia does that command output anything ?
[09:44] <mackid_iBook> linuzo: ??
[09:44] <kangpeh> t3rror_: Gnome, Epiphany, Thunderbird, X-Chat, GAIM,  Gnome Meeting, Open Office, etc - t33ror_?
[09:44] <RastaMahata> wait
[09:44] <smokeslikeapoet> hey i just installed ubuntu hoary on my laptop. i had to compile a 3rd party wireless driver, is there a ubuntu program that will configure it for dhcp?
[09:44] <spanglesontoast> me and linuzo have the same problem
[09:44] <Funraiser> AstralJava, do u know why Ctrl Alt backspace doesn't restart Ubuntu?
[09:44] <spanglesontoast> I guess
[09:44] <RastaMahata> nvidia, nvidia_agp, agpgart
[09:44] <djm62> smokeslikeapoet, dhclient ethX
[09:44] <kangpeh> t3rror_:  Finally, wine, VLC Media Player, etc.
[09:44] <Funraiser> AstralJava, isn't that combination suppose to restart it?
[09:44] <spanglesontoast> I really wish someone could fix this
[09:44] <LinuxJones> ohgood, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad  for mp3 playback
[09:45] <djm62> and I'm sure there's a gnome app to do it
[09:45] <spanglesontoast> basically I want my motherboard sound to be the main sound rather than the pci
[09:45] <ohgood> LinuxJones, sure fine, now mplayer
[09:45] <AstralJava> Funraiser: I don't know why, it's supposed to restart gdm but at some point I had that problem too, it's gone now, though.
[09:45] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: nvidia, nvidia_agp, agpgart
[09:45] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, did you upgrade from warty ?
[09:45] <Funraiser> AstralJava, aaaaall right, i'll wait then
[09:45] <chickenman> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto <it's in there what does this mean the first time i install ubuntu it was fine >
[09:45] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: yeah
[09:45] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, was nvidia drivers working ok ?
[09:45] <djm62> smokeslikeapoet, iwconfig is pretty good at explaining itself if that's an issue
[09:45] <kangpeh> t3rror_:  WhenI look at, for instance, http://www.videolan.org/vlc - I notice there are no packages listed for Ubuntu. :(
[09:46] <mackid_iBook> kangpeh: sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:46] <mackid_iBook> :)
[09:46] <AstralJava> Funraiser: Are you running Hoary now? If so, how did you come to it? Upgrading from Warty or straight install from Hoary cd?
[09:46] <kangpeh> t3rror_:  Will any debian package work for Ubuntu?
[09:46] <linuzo> mackid_iBook, is there a command like alsaconfig to reset or something??
[09:46] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: 6111 if i recall correctly, those were used in warty
[09:46] <kangpeh> mackid_iBook: O_O
[09:46] <spanglesontoast> SOMEONE PLZ HELP US I've been asking for 2 days now.
[09:46] <ohgood> goodbuy ubuntu, rm'ing /     going home
[09:46] <kangpeh> I have one last question.
[09:46] <kangpeh> Does Ubuntu support input of other languages, such as Korean?
[09:46] <mackid_iBook> linuzo, i'm not sure, I installed hoary and sound just worked, i didn't have to do anything
[09:46] <nmoore> ohgood: what for?
[09:46] <spanglesontoast> thinking of leaving ubuntu
[09:46] <djm62> spanglesontoast, what's the Q?
[09:46] <kangpeh> I have Korean input support in my Gnome/Fedora Linux 3... where I just press CTRL+SPACE
[09:46] <mackid_iBook> spanglesontoast, what is the problem?
[09:46] <Funraiser> AstralJava, i upgrade form warty using synaptic packet manager only
[09:46] <chickenman> can't mount floppy drive it's in fstab what do i do ?
[09:46] <AstralJava> chickenman: That's supposed to tell the system where to mount that device (or filesystem, really).
[09:47] <kangpeh> Does that type of support exist in Ubuntu?
[09:47] <spanglesontoast> I want the my motherboard sound to be the default rather than the pci
[09:47] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, if you were using the nvidia drivers in warty your config should work by renaming your XF86Config-4 file to xorg.cong and re-starting X. First rename your xorg.conf file to something like xorg.conf-backup
[09:47] <Funraiser> AstralJava, upgraded*
[09:47] <netsniper> ftp://ftp.umasslug.org/iso/Ubuntu/Hoary/
[09:47] <AstralJava> Funraiser: Then I'd check if Ubuntu-desktop is installed correctly. I suspect that was my error when I had that problem.
[09:47] <LinuxJones> xorg.conf*
[09:47] <RastaMahata> aight, be right back
[09:47] <chickenman> AstralJava, what do i do to make it work ?
[09:47] <djm62> oh, you need to configure alsa, I think
[09:47] <linuzo> mackid_iBook, well I see that it tries to restart alsa but fails with alsactl restore so I must have to reloas a sound driver are you suggesting I reinstall ubuntu with the new motherboard
[09:47] <InitMass> how should the cdrom line look like in /etc/apt/sources.list in hoary stable?
[09:48] <trasher_> anyone that knows what the new ubuntu development version si?
[09:48] <trasher_> s/si/is
[09:48] <dem__> anyone can tell me why dist-upgrade hangs when preconfiguring packages, i narowed it down to xserver-xorg
[09:48] <Albacker> guys, how to unpack tgz ?
[09:48] <mackid_iBook> linuzo, no, i am not.  I think you have to set the default card for alsa, but I don't know how to do that.. someone else should be able to help you
[09:48] <smokeslikeapoet> djm62: thanks, i think it's going to work, this crap att access point is giving me fits, i'm off to the coffee shop to test it.
[09:48] <chickenman> AstralJava, what do i do to make it work ???
[09:48] <astro76> Albacker: tar -xvzf file.tgz
[09:48] <mackid_iBook> spanglesontoast, please do not msg me without asking permission in the channel
[09:49] <djm62> smokeslikeapoet, best of british ;)
[09:49] <Funraiser> AstralJava, ok i'll try that
[09:49] <chickenman> how do i mount my floppy it's in fstab ???
[09:49] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: I restart X by ctrl+alt+backspace?
[09:49] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, yeah
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> well you ignored me.
[09:49] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata yeah
[09:50] <omatunto_> Finally got it to install
[09:50] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: didnt work
[09:50] <mackid_iBook> spanglesontoast, there are a lot of people in here asking questions and it's very hard to follow everything everyone says.  It's a very busy day in here because the final release of Hoary was just released today and everyone just installed it, so i suggest you be patient.  I personally cannot help you.
[09:50] <omatunto_> the expert mode rescue prompt is severely broken
[09:50] <RastaMahata> gdm doesnt start
[09:50] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, what kind of nvidia card do you have ?
[09:50] <RastaMahata> geforce4 mx
[09:51] <smokeslikeapoet> oh damn! the ubuntu installation even configured hibernation for me. that freaking rocks!!!
[09:51] <djm62> spanglesontoast, use the gnome menu->sound&Video->volume control
[09:51] <omatunto_> it did not even have the target directory the help text claimed it would have ; had to manually mount the root filesystem
[09:51] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver     do you see nvidia listed ?
[09:51] <djm62> smokeslikeapoet, it seriously does, eh?
[09:51] <spanglesontoast> do I have to make that djm62?
[09:51] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata: I would suggest you just try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:51] <omatunto_> and of course nano did not start -> some problem with the terminal screen.
[09:51] <Arnia> Eh... " I've been using Ubuntu for a couple of years now" (http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145437&cid=12175437)
[09:51] <mjr> smokeslikeapoet, yep, I was rather satisfied with that with my laptop also :)
[09:51] <mackid_iBook> LinuxJones, would that work for him?
[09:51] <djm62> spangles, not if you've installed gnome
[09:51] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: yes
[09:51] <Arnia> I trust he means months or weeks
[09:51] <RastaMahata> mackid_iBook: I already did that, thats my problem
[09:52] <LinuxJones> mackid, yeah xorg will read the XF86Config-4 file if it exists
[09:52] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: I see nvidia
[09:52] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, I see.  well, maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx.. that's all i can think of
[09:52] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, it should be working dude
[09:52] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, what kernel are you running?
[09:52] <spanglesontoast> well done a gui can any of you lot ever help anyone?
[09:52] <kangpeh> In Fedora Core 3 - there is IIIMF to switch input methods instantly (CTRL+SPACE) from English to Korean or English to Japanese, etc... - DOES something like this exist in Ubuntu?
[09:52] <whiskey_1> oh my gosh ...MS is going to put Encarta packaged like Wikipedia and then you are going to have to pay for extra software to undo the database stuff
[09:52] <djm62> spanglesontoast, just the top-left menu, then in volume control use the file menu:
[09:52] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, do you have ubuntu-desktop installed ?
[09:53] <RastaMahata> :(
[09:53] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, do sudo apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <djm62> spanglesontoast, change device, in the file menu of volume control
[09:53] <mackid_iBook> oy, what is ubuntu-desktop anyway?
[09:53] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, if it says you need to install a whole bunch of file download and install them.
[09:53] <djm62> (sorry it was disjointed, I was going through it myself, as I typed)
[09:53] <spanglesontoast> well done I can adjust my sound
[09:53] <whiskey_1> it is just like the Wikipedia dump....it is entangled with all that database stuff and you can't read it in a browser
[09:53] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: xorg says it isnt able to load xtt
[09:54] <spanglesontoast> nothing to do with the kernel modules being loaded there
[09:54] <Funraiser> AstralJava, it says gnome-desktop already installed and newest version...
[09:54] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, install ubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <djm62> spanglesontoast, is there a "change device" entry in the file menu?
[09:54] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, it should fix it
[09:54] <spanglesontoast> yes
[09:54] <GhostFreeman> after all day
[09:54] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: its already the newest version
[09:54] <GhostFreeman> I am almost finished updating over to Hoary
[09:54] <djm62> spanglesontoast, with your preferred device in it?
[09:54] <Orbo> ahoy mates
[09:55] <LinuxJones> mackid, it's called a metapackage, all it does is reference a bunch of files to download as dependencies
[09:55] <GhostFreeman> only 1 hour to go
[09:55] <Fator_Dee> kangpeh: I'm not exactly sure what do you mean, but by right clicking I get a "Input methods" dialog
[09:55] <nullGambit> what's the default root password?
[09:55] <Orbo> how do I get terminal to recognize a name with an apostrophe in it, like how you specify a space with a \
[09:55] <woodwizzle> is there a way to update to the final hoary using only synaptic and not apt-get? (just curios, seems a feature synaptic should have)
[09:55] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: what's xtt?
[09:55] <GhostFreeman> yes, woodwizzle
[09:55] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, it's a font
[09:55] <kangpeh> fator_dee:  can you send me to a screenshot/info page on that ;)
[09:55] <spanglesontoast> doesn't say that djm62
[09:55] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, give me a sec
[09:55] <mackid_iBook> okay, i see what ubuntu-desktop is.. now i have a question of my own.. why does ubuntu-desktop depend on openoffice.org?  i'm running openoffice.org2 and i don't want or need 1.1.3..
[09:55] <GhostFreeman> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes <--
[09:56] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: ok :)
[09:56] <djm62> spanglesontoast, what entries does it have?
[09:56] <whiskey_1> hey does anybody have streamtuner working for the mp3 files...i can't test them here.
[09:56] <Fator_Dee> kangpeh: I'll see what I can do, please wait a minute or two
[09:56] <spanglesontoast> 4
[09:56] <mackid_iBook> nullGambit: the root account is not enabled by default, to get a root shell type sudo -s
[09:56] <kangpeh> fator_de: coolies!!! thanks :) :
[09:56] <whiskey_1> i don't want to mess with Lame
[09:56] <spanglesontoast> 2 oss mixers and 2 alsa mixers
[09:56] <netsniper> Someone recommened best CLI torrent downloader for Linux?
[09:57] <netsniper> I am running Debian 3.0-r3 Stable
[09:57] <nullGambit> how do i set up root account?
[09:57] <netsniper> want to share our gigabit pipe
[09:57] <whiskey_1> netgrabber, well i just got a torrent on the latest hoary and it came in fast with gnomebittorrent
[09:57] <mjr> netsniper, btlaunchmanycurses
[09:57] <AstralJava> Funraiser: I'm sorry then, don't know what to do now. Maybe someone wiser has the answer to that one.
[09:57] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, just comment out the reference to xtt in the config file near the top and try again
[09:57] <mjr> netsniper, from the bittornado package
[09:57] <dancek> nullGambit: in a root shell, type passwd
[09:57] <netsniper> mjr, thx dude
[09:57] <Funraiser> AstralJava, well it doens't matter, it's good enough this way, thanks!
[09:58] <djm62> spanglesontoast, does one of the alsa mixers have your preferred device name next to it?
[09:58] <whiskey_1> not that i really need it...but i just wanted to see if gnomebittorrent worked
[09:58] <spanglesontoast> nope
[09:58] <AstralJava> Funraiser: Sure, no prob!
[09:58] <netsniper> mjr, doesnt seem to be in Debian stable -- are there any that are explicitly in the debian stable repository?
[09:58] <cikilin> i tried to install emule;azureus and i cant] 
[09:58] <cikilin> i dont know why
[09:58] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: comment out? xtt isnt commented (in the module session)
[09:59] <mackid_iBook> spanglesontoast, why don't you just take out the PCI card of the sound interface you don't want to use?  that should work.. lol
[09:59] <whiskey_1> hey has anybody tested defrag with this ext3 choice of ubuntu
[09:59] <cikilin> pls help
[09:59] <nullGambit> where's /sbin/ipconfig under ubuntu?
[09:59] <mjr> netsniper, well, then the same program from the bittorrent package
[09:59] <djm62> spanglesontoast, so you have 3 sound cards? 2 detected by alsa, plus your motherboard?
[09:59] <mjr> netsniper, a bit less featured, but quite workable
[09:59] <whiskey_1> or really e2defrag
[09:59] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, just put a '#' in front of the line that has the reference
[09:59] <whiskey_1> has anybody tested e2defrag
[09:59] <spanglesontoast> nope I said I have 2 soundcards
[09:59] <LinuxJones> RastaMahata, food time bbiab
[09:59] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: oh, sorry, I thought you meant "uncomment" :(
[10:00] <spanglesontoast> I want the one on my motherboard one to be the main one
[10:00] <cikilin> help
[10:00] <mjr> netsniper, that should be in stable, yes?
[10:00] <cikilin> can anybody help me
[10:00] <netsniper> mjr, nope :-0
[10:00] <djm62> spanglesontoast, you have two soundcards, the volume control show two cards detected by alsa...what two are they?
[10:00] <spanglesontoast> and no mackid I want to keep them
[10:00] <mackid_iBook> cikilin: you need the java runtime to run azureus.. there's instructions on installing it at ubuntuguide.org
[10:00] <cikilin> i install it
[10:00] <Fator_Dee> kangpeh: can I dcc send the picture to you? it's about a megs png but I'll crush it down if you want?
[10:00] <mjr> netsniper, well, umm, perhaps stable predates bittorrent ;)
[10:00] <kangpeh> OOh
[10:00] <spanglesontoast> ones a cmedia pci one
[10:00] <netsniper> haha might be
[10:00] <cikilin> is a test and i have java
[10:00] <kangpeh> Fator_Dee:  Anything you like :)
[10:01] <spanglesontoast> and the other is via
[10:01] <mjr> netsniper, anyway, sorry; I always used unstable while on debian, I'm not well-tuned for stable
[10:01] <kangpeh> Fator_Dee: or you could up the pic on www.aniport.com <-- and just paste me the url ;p
[10:01] <dancek> cikilin: you cannot install emule since it's only available for windows :)
[10:01] <djm62> spanglesontoast, and neither of those could be your motherboard chip?
[10:01] <Fator_Dee> kangpeh: I'll put it to me webspace :-)
[10:01] <netsniper> mjr, this is a server with gigabit pipe -- so i want to make ti available to public
[10:01] <kangpeh> fator_de: coolies, thanks
[10:01] <djm62>  if one is, change device to it, set the volumes, quit the application
[10:02] <netsniper> http://www.umasslug.org/index.php/Main_Page
[10:02] <ompaul> nullGambit, sorry if that is for configuring the eth0 and ppp0 and all that consider the command "sudo network-admin" or from the menu system-admistration-networking :)
[10:02] <cikilin> so how can i download some
[10:02] <cikilin> ?
[10:02] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: sorry to bother again, but now it says libdri.a is unresolved
[10:02] <djm62> and (possibly) restart alsa (to wit, /etc/init.d/alsa restart)
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> yea they are
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> the via is
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> all I want to do is make the motherboard one to be the main card
[10:02] <Funraiser> what sucks is that one has to reinstall everything...damn$
[10:02] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones: I think the best idea would be to reinstall the whole thing? :(
[10:03] <RastaMahata> I mean, format-install
[10:03] <Funraiser> acrobat reader and azureus...nothing works anymore
[10:03] <cikilin> dancek: what i need for download torrents for?
[10:03] <djm62> spangles: change device, from the file menu, set the volume, and quit the volume control, then restart alsa to be on the safe side
[10:03] <whiskey_1> cikilin, you really don't need torrents for very much
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> that doesn't make it the main one
[10:04] <cikilin> what i need?
[10:04] <whiskey_1> cikilin, most of the torrent stuff is copyright...but a little is public domain
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> and how do I restart alsa?
[10:04] <RastaMahata> I think im going back to warty.. :(
[10:04] <whiskey_1> cikilin, so you really don't need too much torrent stuff
[10:04] <dancek> cikilin: if you mean what program you need to download torrents, azureus, bittorrent and bittornado should do it
[10:04] <djm62> spanglesontoast, /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[10:04] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, really, your problem shouldn't be a problem.  I've been running hoary for a month and everything has worked fine
[10:04] <cikilin> on xp with bitcomet works downloading
[10:05] <whiskey_1> cikilin, especially all those music, movies, games, books, documents, etc
[10:05] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, i would suggest you do a format-reinstall of hoary
[10:05] <GhostFreeman> oh noes
[10:05] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, from the hoary final install CD released today.
[10:05] <GhostFreeman> :(
[10:05] <spanglesontoast> gave out a warning
[10:05] <whiskey_1> i mean just look at the sites like piratebay....it is ridiculous
[10:05] <dancek> cikilin: so you tried to install azureus? what command did you use?
[10:05] <RastaMahata> mackid_iBook: I will have to download it first :( my connection sucks
[10:05] <cikilin> what program works on warty 4.10
[10:05] <cikilin> from the site
[10:05] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, if you're not in a hurry, order the CD
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> ah
[10:06] <RastaMahata> mackid_iBook: i already did
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> I needed to use sudo......
[10:06] <cikilin>  $ wget http://myosc.org/ubuntuguide/Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2
[10:06] <djm62> spanglesontoast, d'oh sorry
[10:06] <cikilin> $ sudo tar jxvf Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 -C /opt/
[10:06] <cikilin> $ sudo chown -R root:root /opt/azureus/
[10:06] <RastaMahata> mackid_iBook: the thing that bothers me is that this was supposed to be easy as pie...
[10:06] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, i see.  well, I don't know what to tell you - I'd wait.
[10:06] <dancek> cikilin: you should just 'aptitude install azureus'
[10:06] <joha> Hi all!
[10:06] <cikilin> ?
[10:07] <cikilin> so what should i do?
[10:07] <dancek> cikilin: though I'm actually not sure if it exists in ubuntu... I'm only using ubuntu for the first time right now ;)
[10:07] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, it SHOULD BE.  on my machine, and this is with the hoary preview like a month ago, i just installed it fresh and *everything* worked.. sound, and all i had to do to get nvidia to work was sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:07] <dancek> cikilin: type 'aptitude install azureus' in a console
[10:07] <dancek> cikilin: as root of course
[10:07] <joha> I just saw that Hoary Hedgehog is released and wanted to ask if it is okay for me to just upgrade without doing a re-installation, and if modifications to the system like Bootsplash will still work
[10:07] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, the only thing that didn't work for me right away were DVDs, and all i had to do to fix that was enable DMA on my DVD drive, so really.  it should work.  what hardware do you have?
[10:07] <ompaul> membreya,
[10:07] <cikilin> in a terminal?
[10:07] <spanglesontoast> nothing djm62
[10:08] <ompaul> membreya, if you are interested I have hit the same apt-get wall :-/ on 32bit
[10:08] <RastaMahata> mackid_iBook: nforce2 chipset (sound, net), geforce4 mx 440 64 mb..
[10:08] <mackid_iBook> joha, should work, just run a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.. I don't know about the bootsplash thing but shouldn't matter too much
[10:08] <dancek> cikilin: yes
[10:08] <ompaul> membreya, ehh ignore that
[10:08] <mackid_iBook> RastaMahata, AMD or Intel?  not that it matters..
[10:08] <cikilin> cikilin@10:~ $ aptitude install azureus
[10:08] <cikilin> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:08] <cikilin> Building Dependency Tree
[10:08] <cikilin> Reading extended state information
[10:08] <cikilin> Initializing package states... Done
[10:08] <cikilin> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[10:08] <cikilin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[10:08] <cikilin> cikilin@10:~ $
[10:08] <mackid_iBook> ack ack
[10:09] <mackid_iBook> cikilin, do not flood, and you need to run it as root.. so sudo aptitude install azureus
[10:09] <dancek> cikilin: you should do that as root
[10:09] <joha> mackid_iBook: Well, I would still like the bootsplash to work. This is my girlfriends notebook and she is kind of disturbed by all the messages scrolling along. Upgrading means just replacing all instances of "warty" with "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list and then dist-upgrading, right?
[10:09] <mackid_iBook> that would be the reason that it asked "are you root'.. lol..
[10:09] <RastaMahata> mackid_iBook: amd
[10:09] <tortoose_> hello
[10:09] <mackid_iBook> joha, pretty much.. I don't know anything about bootsplash, though
[10:10] <jesper> joha: just come back if bootsplash aint working. :-)
[10:10] <mackid_iBook> yeah joha, that works lol
[10:10] <tortoose_> hum.. I just installed hoary, and ndiswrapper don't want to work, is there any known issue ?
[10:10] <tortoose_> I installed my sys driver fine
[10:10] <tortoose_> but the modprobe fail :/
[10:10] <joha> Okay, thanks :-)
[10:11] <klaym> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes <- has anyone tried upgrading from warty to hoary using that as guide?
[10:11] <cikilin> dancek it sais that done
[10:11] <mackid_iBook> joha, no problem, good luck
[10:11] <cikilin> now where is the program?
[10:11] <joha> mackid_iBook, jesper: I also have setup swsusp2 here for suspend to disk. Will that break with the upgrade?
[10:11] <mackid_iBook> cikilin, should be /usr/bin/, i would say.. just trying typing azureus at a prompt
[10:12] <jesper> joha: test it and you'll find out.
[10:12] <joha> Hmm
[10:12] <joha> Kay
[10:12] <mackid_iBook> :-P
[10:12] <joha> Thanks
[10:12] <joha> Off to upgrading then...
[10:12] <mackid_iBook> have fun :)
[10:12] <cikilin> to run :azureus?
[10:12] <whiskey_1> well i am going to try to burn that hoary torrent cd just to see if gnomebaker will burn a cdimage
[10:13] <mackid_iBook> cikilin, yes, just type this at a command line prompt:
[10:13] <mackid_iBook> azureus
[10:13] <Bicchi> Are there any mirrors to download kubuntu. i am trying to download it and its really slow.
[10:13] <dancek> cikilin: yeah, try it
[10:13] <mackid_iBook> Bicchi: #kubuntu
[10:13] <Funraiser> all right there are apps that don't work but this hoary release is good
[10:13] <GhostFreeman> Next time
[10:13] <GhostFreeman> I
[10:13] <cikilin> if i type on run not working
[10:13] <GhostFreeman> I'm upgrading from a CD. This is just too much of a wait
[10:14] <Funraiser> i'm glad I upgraded from warty
[10:14] <dancek> cikilin: hmmm, lemme see...
[10:14] <kakalto> Funraiser, I'm not
[10:14] <epicenter> I am compiling VLC and it says 'cpp did not pass sanity check'
[10:14] <epicenter> what do I need to install?
[10:14] <kakalto> my hoary is more like whoary at the moment
[10:14] <mackid_iBook> epicenter, why are you compiling it?  just run sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:14] <epicenter> it wasn't found .....
[10:14] <Funraiser> Kakalto what's wrong?
[10:14] <whiskey_1> epicenter, be careful about vlc...that thing has suspect code since it can read avi files
[10:14] <mackid_iBook> hm.
[10:14] <epicenter> nor was mplayer or xine
[10:15] <epicenter> I like VLC ... :P
[10:15] <kakalto> Funraiser, my upgrade 'didn't go smoothly'
[10:15] <cikilin> dancek?
[10:15] <dancek> cikilin: well, what do you know, it seems azureus doesn't exist in ubuntu repositories
[10:15] <epicenter> I added HTTP as an apt-source and I can't install VLC
[10:15] <epicenter> or mplayer
[10:15] <Funraiser> kakalto, what's not working?
[10:15] <mackid_iBook> epicenter, i think you need universe or multiverse as an apt source..
[10:15] <dancek> cikilin: there's only bittorrent and bittorrent-gui
[10:15] <epicenter> what lines do I add?
[10:15] <whiskey_1> epicenter, well you are not supposed to...nobody in ubuntu can help you break the law....if you choose to do so you must do it on your own
[10:15] <epicenter> I don't get a choice of servers in my apt-setup
[10:15] <cikilin> what i have to do next?
[10:16] <mackid_iBook> epicenter, vlc is in universe
[10:16] <epicenter> Since when is VLC illegal? :P
[10:16] <kakalto> Funraiser, after I upgraded, X wouldn't start. I've solved it now, but I want a fresh install to get all the right Xorg settings & stuff
[10:16] <cikilin> and how can i get them?
[10:16] <dancek> cikilin: do you absolutely want azureus or will any bittorrent client do?
[10:16] <mackid_iBook> whiskey_1: VLC isn't illegal...
[10:16] <whiskey_1> epicenter, since the DMCA and copyright laws
[10:16] <mknod> hi
[10:16] <roo_> epicenter, possible patent/copyright infringements. apparently :roll:
[10:16] <epicenter> How do I add universe? Maybe I'll install VLC by mistake
[10:16] <epicenter> but it will have nothing to do with you ;)
[10:16] <cikilin> anything
[10:16] <epicenter> I'll just type apt-get install and random characters and if VLC ends up in there, oops
[10:17] <Funraiser> WTF
[10:17] <kakalto> lol
[10:17] <cikilin> dancek
[10:17] <dancek> cikilin: then try 'aptitude install bittorrent bittorrent-gui'
[10:17] <mackid_iBook> epicenter: add these two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list:
[10:17] <mackid_iBook> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:17] <mackid_iBook> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:17] <kakalto> Funraiser, ?
[10:17] <linuzo> can someone help me get my sound working
[10:17] <epicenter> Thanks :)
[10:17] <kakalto> linuzo, are your speakers on? :P
[10:17] <mackid_iBook> epicenter, no problem
[10:17] <mknod> My dns is extreamly slow in Ubuntu Hoary. Ive read its because of buggy ipv6 support in the 2.6 kernel.  How do i disable ipv6
[10:17] <Funraiser> kakalto, well it's the tab thing not working
[10:17] <linuzo> kakakoka, YES
[10:18] <Funraiser> OMG
[10:18] <Funraiser> lol
[10:18] <kakalto> Funraiser, what tab's thing?
[10:18] <linuzo> kakakoka, I just upgraded my motherboard and for some reason it's not working..
[10:18] <cikilin> cikilin@10:~ $ sudo aptitude install bittorrent bittorrent-gui
[10:18] <cikilin> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:18] <cikilin> Building Dependency Tree
[10:18] <cikilin> Reading extended state information
[10:18] <cikilin> Initializing package states... Done
[10:18] <cikilin> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:18] <ompaul> kakakoka, about 8 spaces?
[10:18] <cikilin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:18] <cikilin> cikilin@10:~ $
[10:18] <kakalto> linuzo, notice the 'L' in my name?
[10:18] <kakalto> linuzo, onboard?
[10:18] <Funraiser> kakalto, to find the name of someone in the channel
[10:18] <calc> mknod: rmmod ipv6
[10:19] <linuzo> kakalto, Sorry.. yes onboard..
[10:19] <cikilin> dancek
[10:19] <kakalto> ahk
[10:19] <linuzo> kakalto, CMI9761A
[10:19] <vessuvius> anyone run samba on a file server and have mac clients? is that even a possiblity?
[10:19] <Funraiser> i type ka then tab but it ain't workin'
[10:19] <kakalto> linuzo, you probably just need to find the right drivers & stuff to go with it
[10:19] <mknod> yeah, but when i reboot the ipv6 module is back loaded
[10:19] <epicenter> oshit you guys I think I need some sound legal dvice
[10:19] <joda> vessuvius - I've got it working on warty - just followed the guide on ubuntuguide.org
[10:19] <calc> mknod: well you probably have to disable it from being loaded in the config files and then reboot since lots of things use it if available so rmmod probably won't work
[10:19] <mackid_iBook> cikilin, you can only run dpkg/apt processes one at a time
[10:19] <epicenter> I accidentally installed VLC
[10:19] <epicenter> The FBI could be here any second dudes
[10:19] <epicenter> I NEED A PLANE TICKET FAST
[10:20] <whiskey_1> mackid_iBook, it depends on where you are at..
[10:20] <joda> vessuvius - shows up on the network on my mac mini, same as windows machines
[10:20] <dancek> cikilin: you probably have another instance of aptitude (or synaptic or apt-get) running somewhere
[10:20] <kakalto> linuzolook on google for your sound device, and ubuntu?
[10:20] <epicenter> when every AVI player became illegal is when copyright law stopped being properly enforcable
[10:20] <whiskey_1> mackid_iBook, in the US we have copyright/patent and DMCA laws
[10:20] <calc> mknod: /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[10:20] <dancek> cikilin: btw please don't flood
[10:20] <St_Helens> vessuvius, kakakoka ;)
[10:21] <cikilin> let me restart pc to see what happens
[10:21] <cikilin> k?
[10:21] <dancek> cikilin: wait
[10:21] <LinuxJones> mknod, >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html
[10:21] <Funraiser> what's a CTCP VERSION?
[10:21] <mackid_iBook> vessuvius: yes, you should be able to, OS X can natively connect to SMB shares
[10:21] <calc> mknod: you could set alias net-pf-10 to none i think
[10:21] <vessuvius> St_Helens ;-)
[10:21] <vessuvius> joda, cool
[10:21] <dancek> cikilin: when you're done installing, run btdownloadgui.bittorrent to start the program
[10:21] <mackid_iBook> Funraiser: someone is asking your IRC client what version it is
[10:21] <roo_> ls
[10:21] <vessuvius> did you have to do anything in particular on the mac? or no?
[10:21] <dancek> cikilin: and if you need help, www.bittorrent.com
[10:21] <roo_> whoops.
[10:22] <dancek> cikilin: 'll be going now, good luuck
[10:22] <kakalto> does CTCP stand for Client To Client Protocol?
[10:22] <joda> vessuvius - I activated windows sharing, but I actually only think that's needed to access the mac drive from windows
[10:22] <whiskey_1> mackid_iBook, and you need to check with the producers of those formats,content,programs,etc so see if they want you to pay royalties as a law abiding citizen
[10:22] <mackid_iBook> kakalto: it does.
[10:22] <joda> vessuvius, to be honest, I'm not 100% sure if it's neccesary
[10:22] <epicenter> ofuk I played an mpeg-4 file by mistake, I think we're all doomed
[10:22] <kakalto> okay
[10:22] <Funraiser> jesus
[10:23] <mackid_iBook> epicenter lol
[10:23] <Funraiser> mackid_iBook, i see
[10:23] <epicenter> find me a hard disk wiping utility QUICK that I can accidentally type in
[10:23] <mackid_iBook> Funraiser: like this
[10:24] <Funraiser> k
[10:24] <vessuvius> it does work joda
[10:24] <vessuvius> that's nice :)
[10:24] <mackid_iBook> Funraiser, and I see you're running xchat 2.4.1 on a Linux 2.6.10-5-386 kernel, on a 686 processor running at 998.52MHz
[10:24] <cikilin> if i restart the ubuntu is good to save the .......
[10:24] <mackid_iBook> ;)
[10:24] <joda> yep :)
[10:25] <KeithWeisshar> i just ordered a cd from shipit, how long does it take to receive it
[10:25] <^thehatsrule^> says there on the website KeithWeisshar
[10:25] <kakalto> KeithWeisshar, a few weeks up to a month from shipping, I think
[10:25] <munki> it can take a while ..
[10:26] <MacIver> AstralJava: you still here?
[10:26] <munki> i've been waiting about 2 months allready
[10:26] <^thehatsrule^> lol, thats cause youre getting hoary
[10:26] <KeithWeisshar> should i reset the number of cds in the shipit account to zero if i don't want any further releases
[10:26] <Striss> I installed Hoary today and my sound isnt working at all
[10:26] <Funraiser> mackid_iBook, omg i'm all naked
[10:26] <Striss> I can't figure out what the problem is
[10:26] <kakalto> KeithWeisshar, depends, do you want hoary?
[10:26] <kakalto> I don't think they've started shipping hoary yet
[10:26] <frig> this is a big room O_O
[10:26] <munki> thehatsrule^ , I didn't have a choice..
[10:27] <kakalto> frig, sure thing ;)
[10:27] <munki> thehatsrule^ , ordered Warty
[10:27] <frig> err channel
[10:27] <KeithWeisshar> can i upgrade from hoary with apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:27] <^thehatsrule^> you have to get hoary....
[10:27] <^thehatsrule^> warty is discontinued for shipping
[10:27] <Funraiser> gnomebittorrent is based on the last mainline i assume?
[10:27] <KeithWeisshar> i just placed an order for hoary
[10:28] <^thehatsrule^> odd munki, prolly lost the mail
[10:28] <roo_> Funraiser, "assumptions are the mother of all fuckups" :)
[10:28] <kakalto> KeithWeisshar, yeah, you can, after updating your sources.list
[10:28] <Funraiser> roo_, lol
[10:28] <munki> thehatsrule , nope.. 3 of my friends waiting the same time.. allmost
[10:28] <Ben2004uk> busy today!!! What a surprise....
[10:28] <Striss> how do I add universe in synaptic with Hoary?
[10:28] <munki> waited*
[10:28] <libben> 2.6.10-5-386
[10:28] <libben> is that good for my p4 =)
[10:28] <mknod> LinuxJones: it seems that the module ipv6 does not load anymore now, but i still have very slow dns/internet
[10:28] <roo_> libben, what?
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> Striss: you can just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:29] <Funraiser> roo_, will see, if i don't reach 70kB/sec i'll reintall azureus
[10:29] <libben> the kernel
[10:29] <vessuvius> ubuntuguide.org
[10:29] <crimsun> Striss: Settings>Repositories
[10:29] <kakalto> libben, you should get 686
[10:29] <Ben2004uk> right anyway - got to installing GRUB, and it says "frailed to install into /target/.  installing grub as a boot loader is rewuried step, the install problem might however be unrelated"
[10:29] <roo_> Funraiser, have you tried BitTornado (in universe)
[10:29] <Striss> i just dont understand why Sound doesnt work in Hoary
[10:29] <cycom> what do I need to do to get kernel-source-2.6.10 to actually work as opposed to saying package not found?
[10:29] <Striss> it worked fine in the previous
[10:29] <roo_> libben, yes, you want the 686 ideally.
[10:29] <libben> yeah,.. why isnt 686 in from the beginning?
[10:29] <LinuxJones> mknod, you can disable Firefox from using ipv6 have a look here >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:29] <crimsun> Striss: what sound chipset(s)?
[10:29] <Ben2004uk> "Install on master boot record" YES
[10:29] <kakalto> libben, to support older cpu's
[10:29] <roo_> libben, because not everyone has P4's :roll:
[10:30] <LinuxJones> mknod, also there is a speed hack you can do as well let me try to find it for you
[10:30] <roo_> libben, -386 is x86 compatible.
[10:30] <libben> well... how big are the diffrent kernels
[10:30] <Ben2004uk> grub-install failed.  this is a fatal error
[10:30] <kakalto> although, when I attempted to install on my p2, X wouldn't install
[10:30] <^thehatsrule^> lol... well p2's are 686, just that its more work i think to have separate releases
[10:30] <mackid_iBook> cycom: type sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[10:30] <mackid_iBook> :)
[10:30] <mknod> thx
[10:30] <cycom> libben like under 50 megs usually I think
[10:30] <Ben2004uk> so what did i do wrong?? Managed to install it before
[10:30] <LinuxJones> mknod, >> http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000803024910/
[10:30] <mackid_iBook> it's linux, not kernel
[10:30] <mackid_iBook> hehe.
[10:30] <Funraiser> roo_, didn't know it was in universe, but now that u talk about it i'll try it soon enough
[10:31] <libben> so if i want the 686 kernel... will i gain any for changing?
[10:31] <kakalto> possibly
[10:31] <cycom> mackid_iBook: I'm an idiot.
[10:31] <KeithWeisshar> will i still receive the cd even if i edit the account and change the number of cd to 0 after registration
[10:31] <mackid_iBook> cycom, lol, that happened to me once too, but then i just did apt-cache search 2.6.10..
[10:31] <cycom> mackid_iBook: thank you
[10:31] <mackid_iBook> cycom: no proble
[10:31] <mackid_iBook> m
[10:32] <cycom> mackid_iBook: I'm a gentoo user, so I knew nil about apt-cache
[10:32] <mknod> LinuxJones: that works for firefox, but not for ssh, ping,.... all the rest
[10:32] <cycom> I'm used to emerge --search <pkg>
[10:32] <libben> so how do i change to the 686, in a easy way that is =)
[10:32] <dholbach> re
[10:32] <^thehatsrule^> libben, get a optimized kernel i suppose?
[10:32] <thenuke> libben: download -i686 kernel
[10:33] <mknod> is 2.6.11 available for ubuntu already? Maybe it is solved here
[10:33] <LinuxJones> mknod, umm maybe you have a problem with your network itself
[10:33] <mackid_iBook> cycom, ah, i see.  yeah.  apt-cache search <query> and apt-cache show <package>
[10:33] <beowuff> So... anybody else having problems with the zlib1g package off the i386 install cd?
[10:33] <roo_> libben, use the -686 kernel in apt/synaptic -- how else?!?
[10:33] <mackid_iBook> are two good commands to remember.
[10:33] <whiskey_1> mackid_iBook, but you need to understand that nobody in ubuntu is going to tell you how to use supernova, exeem, piratebay or the thousands of other sites.
[10:33] <crimsun> beowuff: not I
[10:33] <kakalto> libben, I think in synaptic, just search for kernel 686 or something and it should show up
[10:33] <kakalto> heheh
[10:33] <munki> whiskey_1 , suprnova is no more :)
[10:33] <libben> roo_, well i did something on debian like that... in it was hell... compiling and adding stuff for the kernel to handle
[10:33] <roo_> cycom, me too :)
[10:33] <mackid_iBook> whiskey_1: where did that come from.. what the hell.  dude, excuse me, but I didn't ASK how to use any of those, AND suprnova.org is GONE
[10:33] <crimsun> libben: sudo aptitude install linux-image-686
[10:34] <cycom> hehe. I'm a gentoo user. none of this 'precompiled' crap.
[10:34] <whiskey_1> munki, i did not hear that....last i heard they went underground with exeem
[10:34] <Funraiser> well good night/day everybody, and thanks for your help!
[10:34] <libben> if i use it from apt/synaptic... dont i need to configure it ?
[10:34] <cycom> that'd be too easy!
[10:34] <libben> or something
[10:34] <kakalto> cycom, I came from gentoo :D
[10:34] <munki> mackid_iBook , lang. !
[10:34] <munki> whiskey_1 , really ? :) i don't even use those kinda sites
[10:34] <KeithWeisshar> what color is the pressed hoary cd
[10:34] <cycom> kakalto: the only reason I'm not on gentoo on my laptop is because it's impractical to compile across wireless with distcc and then have to wait because the laptop is only 400mhz with 128mb of ram
[10:35] <whiskey_1> munki, well your choices are up to you...but don't ask any people in here to help you
[10:35] <kakalto> cycom, yeuch
[10:35] <munki> whiskey_1 , i don't :)
[10:35] <kakalto> cycom, I don't suppose you know if gentoo supports VIA sound onboard devices now?
[10:35] <cycom> kakalto: this box (which I am sshed into from ubuntu) is a dual PIII with 1gb of ram, 18gb scsi, 160gb IDE.
[10:35] <libben> how would i install 686 from the boot? is it avaible?
[10:35] <mackid_iBook> whiskey_1: and on that note, i didn't either
[10:36] <cycom> kakalto: I call it 'Beast'. IT gets gentoo, and does distccd for my other boxes
[10:36] <dem_> are there any precompiled lirc modules for ubuntu?
[10:36] <kakalto> cycom, hehe :D
[10:36] <kakalto> cycom, when I installed gentoo, it didn't support my sound :(
[10:36] <cycom> kakalto: I'm trying to get the drivers for my little prism card updated for moniter mode, hence the kernel
[10:36] <Sauron21> does anyone know of any native firewalls in ubuntu?maybe with a front end?
[10:36] <cycom> kakalto: when was that?
[10:36] <libben> how would i install 686 from the boot? is it avaible?
[10:36] <kakalto> cycom, 2004.1 release
[10:36] <borgista> Sauron21: Firestarter
[10:36] <borgista> basically a front-end for IP tables
[10:36] <crimsun> dem_: apt-cache search lirc
[10:36] <cycom> kakalto: you have more than one box?
[10:37] <oaaltone> what repo is firestarter in?
[10:37] <LinuxJones> dem_, yeah
[10:37] <kakalto> cycom, yeah
[10:37] <cycom> 2005.0 is out now :)
[10:37] <cycom> FETCH!
[10:37] <kakalto> hehe
[10:37] <Sauron21> is that a native one?
[10:37] <cycom> hehe
[10:37] <borgista> I'm not sure...but I have all the ones mentioned in ubuntuguide.org/temp
[10:37] <cycom> I still love emerge -u world.
[10:37] <dholbach> oaaltone: apt-cache show firestarter -> universe
[10:37] <borgista> i mean www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:37] <kakalto> I liked that idea
[10:37] <cycom> apt seems pretty good so far though
[10:37] <QMario> How do I allow Windows clients to install printer drivers onto a Linux computer on the network?
[10:37] <dem_> the modules are not precompiled, it's just source
[10:37] <cycom> damn kernel sources. DOWNLOAD FASTER!
[10:37] <kakalto> but... all the compiling, just to find out it doesn't support sound... I can't live without sound!
[10:38] <dem_> and the souce module, dosen't work with headers, it wants a full kernel tree
[10:38] <cycom> kakalto: it was probobly a glitch.
[10:38] <crimsun> cycom: you may find it more bearable to use a mirror
[10:38] <cycom> kakalto: they've fixed a lot
[10:38] <QMario> How do I allow Windows clients to install printer drivers onto a Linux computer on the network?
[10:38] <kakalto> cycom, which is why I want to find out it it's fixed, then download
[10:38] <kakalto> not the other way around
[10:38] <beowuff> Nope... zlib1g not working... 4th fricken cd I've burned. This one at speed 8. Tried another at 4... MD5 check works. What could I be doing wrong?
[10:38] <cycom> crimsun: It's no big deal
[10:38] <cycom> kakalto: what sound card?
[10:38] <kakalto> QMario, is that possible?
[10:38] <crimsun> beowuff: where is it failing?
[10:39] <kakalto> cycom, VIA 82XXXX
[10:39] <kakalto> it's onboard
[10:39] <QMario> I think so. :-/
[10:39] <oaaltone> dholbach: Unable to locate package firestarter
[10:39] <roo_> QMario, for cups?
[10:39] <crimsun> kakalto: fixed in 1.0.8, you need 'alsa-source' from universe
[10:39] <cycom> kakalto: kernel drivers, or what?
[10:39] <beowuff> crimsun, couldn't retrieve zlib1g.
[10:39] <oaaltone> i have all the repos listed in ubuntuguide.org
[10:39] <QMario> CUPS and Samba
[10:39] <kakalto> crimsun, ahk, thanks
[10:39] <libben> after i installed linux-686 what then?
[10:39] <oaaltone> it worked with hoary beta, but not since i reinstalled with the final version this morning
[10:39] <libben> just normal reboot?
[10:39] <borgista> yes
[10:39] <roo_> QMario, ok, i was just checking u were using cups. it should be possible, not sure how tho :/
[10:39] <kakalto> yup
[10:39] <borgista> and then you'll have to reinstall all drivers you previously installed.
[10:39] <hybrid> hello all
[10:39] <crimsun> libben: yes
[10:40] <beowuff> crimsun, says it could be due to a network problem or bad cd. I've tried burning on different pc's too. Never had a bad burn from one of them before.
[10:40] <dholbach> oaaltone: added it to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:40] <libben> thats all?
[10:40] <dholbach> hey crimsun :-)
[10:40] <crimsun> hi dholbach :)
[10:40] <libben> nothing to configure or add?
[10:40] <oaaltone> yeah, it's there
[10:40] <hybrid> happy hoary day
[10:40] <dholbach> oaaltone: sudo apt-get update
[10:40] <libben> no compile ur own kernel?
[10:40] <crimsun> libben: that's it, unless you use non-Ubuntu provided modules
[10:40] <libben> or something like that
[10:40] <kakalto> hybrid, that was sooo yesterday :P
[10:40] <crimsun> dholbach: nice work! =)
[10:40] <hybrid> lol
[10:40] <DR_K13> hihi
[10:40] <hybrid> kakalto: i juss got home. :P when did they release it?
[10:41] <dholbach> crimsun: on what?
[10:41] <oaaltone> wait a sec, looks like there was a typo causing apt-get update to whine... let me see
[10:41] <kakalto> hybrid, more than 12 hours ago?
[10:41] <crimsun> dholbach: universe, of course :-)
[10:41] <dholbach> YES, universe ROCKS
[10:41] <kakalto> is ubuntu hard to setup for distrobuted compiling?
[10:41] <libben> so if i had 386 all the time now.... all my programs that has been installed... some has 386 in their names.... so what do i do with them?
[10:41] <crimsun> libben: more than likely, nothing.
[10:41] <hybrid> kakalto: well i have had it for a long while so hoary is yesterday to me :P yall been busy in here?
[10:42] <mjr> kakalto, not really, install distcc from universe
[10:42] <kakalto> kewl, thanks
[10:42] <libben> ok
[10:42] <kakalto> hybrid, non-stable version?
[10:42] <kakalto> ie experiment, unstable, whatever the ubuntu guys call it
[10:42] <beowuff> Can I just skip zlib1g for now and install later? What could that break?
[10:42] <witdump> Hey guys, someone knows an alternative server for apt-get. I don't want to put more load on archive.ubuntu.com...
[10:42] <hybrid> kakalto: yea since like feburary
[10:43] <kakalto> hybrid, you gonna be into breezy then?
[10:43] <hybrid> kakalto: of course. any dates on it yet?
[10:43] <kakalto> hybrid, not sure
[10:43] <crimsun> witdump: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en
[10:43] <carambol> why i cant upgrade mplayer-nogui?
[10:44] <hybrid> kakalto: they are saying like 2 weeks to 3 weeks
[10:44] <lexingtone> how can i modify menu entries in gnome?
[10:44] <hybrid> i think
[10:44] <witdump> crimsum: thankx!
[10:44] <libben> if u have hyper threading cpu... can u install 686-smp ?
[10:44] <crimsun> libben: if HT is enabled, yes
[10:44] <libben> how do i check if my cpu has hyperthreadin
[10:44] <WonderBlood> hi, i there a german ubuntu irc chat?
[10:44] <MFen> nice. at 1 minute elapsed, i'm over 100k/s on the ubuntu install torrent :)
[10:44] <crimsun> libben: does it say during POST?
[10:44] <mmpf> WonderBlood: yes
[10:45] <kakalto> hybrid, sounds about right
[10:45] <libben> crimsun, =) then i would need to reboot to check it ;P no fancy command to type? =)
[10:45] <Beineri> WonderBlood: #ubuntu-de
[10:45] <hybrid> kakalto: so is hoary the 2nd official release?
[10:45] <crimsun> hybrid: yes
[10:45] <kakalto> sure thing
[10:45] <MFen> hybrid: second public release
[10:45] <crimsun> libben: essentially
[10:45] <WonderBlood> thanks
[10:45] <Flonne> libben, cat /proc/cpuinfo, maybe.
[10:45] <MFen> i don't know what "official" means exactly :)
[10:45] <witdump> crimsun: you clever guy with this google cache thing... ;)
[10:45] <MFen> why did the public versions start at 4.x anyway?
[10:45] <hybrid> MFen: what others are there
[10:45] <kakalto> hybrid, and it's kubuntu's 1st official release
[10:46] <dholbach> witdump: crimsun rocks
[10:46] <MFen> hybrid: dunno, but 5.04 != 2
[10:46] <L0st> I need help with Xserver
[10:46] <witdump> dholbach: I can tell...
[10:46] <vpalle> anyone here compiled mono from source (cvs) ?
[10:46] <Beineri> MFen: it's April
[10:46] <kakalto> what was ubuntu, before warty?
[10:46] <hybrid> kakalto: i am not a kde fan
[10:46] <LinuxJones> lexingtone, >> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:46] <kakalto> hybrid, many people aren't
[10:46] <kakalto> hybrid, I'm waiting for xubuntu ;)
[10:46] <hybrid> prolly some .x kinda thing
[10:46] <kakalto> xfce
[10:46] <Xappe> 5.04 == 200504
[10:46] <xulin> lexingtone, in warty application:/// .. in hoary .local/share/applications
[10:46] <lexingtone> thanks LinuxJones
[10:47] <MFen> Xappe: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:47] <borgista> xubuntu?
[10:47] <mmpf> WonderBlood: #ubuntu.de
[10:47] <louis_> 5.04 = 2005 month 04
[10:47] <AstralJava> dholbach: Agreed. :)
[10:47] <dholbach> :-)
[10:47] <borgista> What would Xubuntu be?
[10:47] <hybrid> kakalto: i want mubuntu :P
[10:47] <MFen> i thought there were just a bunch of secret releases that weren't deemed human-edible
[10:47] <kakalto> hybrid, m?
[10:47] <MFen> either that or they started with debian's version
[10:47] <libben> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/269010
[10:47] <vessuvius> I wonder if they'll release numbers on new downloads of hoary
[10:47] <kakalto> borgista, xfce ubuntu
[10:47] <hybrid> matchbox
[10:47] <MFen> but now i get it
[10:47] <borgista> ok kakalto
[10:47] <kakalto> hybrid, what's matchbox like? lightweight?
[10:47] <libben> does that tells me any HT options?
[10:47] <munki> xfce-ubuntu would be nice ^^
[10:47] <hybrid> kakalto: yes
[10:47] <hybrid> great for say laptops
[10:47] <kakalto> more lightweight than xfce?
[10:48] <crimsun> libben: I believe it does. install linux-686-smp
[10:48] <kakalto> is it like icewm?
[10:48] <crimsun> libben: then reboot
[10:48] <hybrid> kakalto: idk
[10:48] <spades> munki: running xfce fine, just install and run it
[10:48] <libben> crimsun, how do u see that
[10:48] <munki> spades , allready did :)
[10:48] <kakalto> hybrid, idk?
[10:48] <munki> spades , in xfce now
[10:48] <hybrid> kakalto: i dont know
[10:48] <spades> :)
[10:48] <whiskey_1> hey what do you know...gnomebaker burned the whole ubuntu cd....what was the manual verify command
[10:48] <kakalto> ahk
[10:48] <MFen> seems to have topped out at 130k/s on the torrent
[10:48] <MFen> quite acceptable
[10:49] <Flonne> crimsun, are you basing that on the "ht" flag? I wasn't aware Intel made HT chips with a speed that low.
[10:49] <crimsun> libben: your cpu flags include "ht"
[10:49] <crimsun> Flonne: they have 1.60 GHz HTs, too
[10:49] <borgista> i dont' think libben has HT.
[10:49] <Flonne> Ah.
[10:49] <KeithWeisshar> is it possible to close the shipit account?
[10:49] <borgista> my CPU is @ 3.00GHz w/HT
[10:50] <epicenter> what package should I expect to find 'x11/extensions/xf86dga.h' in?
[10:50] <nydust> do any one here use egroupware?
[10:50] <crimsun> epicenter: libxxf86dga-dev
[10:50] <epicenter> thank you :)
[10:50] <whiskey_1> now lets see i have to figure out a way to do this.
[10:51] <whiskey_1> i guess i could dd the cd to a testimage file and do some kind of verify between the original iso file and the testfile
[10:51] <kakalto> hybrid, could ya do me a screenshot?
[10:51] <kakalto> hybrid, it's hard to find them on the net :P
[10:52] <whiskey_1> but what command can verify two files
[10:52] <epicenter> How about 'x11/extensions/xf86vmode.h'?
[10:52] <hybrid> kakalto: of matchbox? i uninstalled it i liked gnome better
[10:52] <kakalto> oh, lol
[10:52] <LinuxJones> whiskey_1, you want to test a .iso image ?
[10:52] <vessuvius> does anyone have a suggestion for a backup program?  I just need to copy data from one folder on one hd to a folder on a different hd nightly
[10:52] <L0st> I cant start XServer, it keeps on crashing with this error: Skipping "/usr/X11/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o(m_debug_norm.o, m_debug_vertex.o)" No symbols found
[10:52] <whiskey_1> LinuxJones, yes gnomebaker burns ok...but does not have  a verify option
[10:52] <MFen> whoa, spoke too soon. 250k/s on the torrent now
[10:52] <spades> cron a cp =?
[10:52] <vessuvius> I guess I could even just cron it
[10:52] <MFen> run forrest run
[10:52] <crimsun> epicenter: libxxf86vm-dev
[10:53] <_adw_> noob q. here, but ive downloaded a .deb file, how do i install it?
[10:53] <L0st> Any help?
[10:53] <vessuvius> dpkg -i
[10:53] <whiskey_1> LinuxJones, so i need to verify what i burned is consistent with the original file
[10:53] <crimsun> epicenter: please familiarise yourself with http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> _adw_: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[10:53] <KeithWeisshar> verizon is blocking email form ubuntulinux.org due to spam filtering, i did not receive a comfirmation email for the shipt cd order
[10:53] <_adw_> Fator_Dee: cheers mate!
[10:53] <LinuxJones> whiskey_1, is it an install cd ?
[10:53] <beowuff> Hmph. I put in one of the old burns that had failed, and it took the zlib1g off of it...
[10:53] <whiskey_1> LinuxJones, yes
[10:54] <beowuff> I feel dirty...
[10:54] <whiskey_1> LinuxJones, and it has lots of stuff but i need to verify there was no data errors
[10:54] <decklin> whiskey_1: you probably want md5sum. the download page should list them for the isos as well.
[10:54] <Fator_Dee> damn, my Xorg crashed, again...
[10:54] <kakalto> I should start tidying up my partition...
[10:54] <kakalto> Fator_Dee, xorg crashed?
[10:54] <Fator_Dee> kakalto: seems so
[10:54] <KeithWeisshar> how do i get the cd shipped to the computer user group
[10:54] <kakalto> Fator_Dee, after upgrading from warty to hoary, my xorg crashed
[10:55] <Fator_Dee> kakalto: it has done it 3 times already
[10:55] <KeithWeisshar> it only meets once per month
[10:55] <kakalto> Fator_Dee, same problem?
[10:55] <thaswiftness> is there a way to install ubuntu from the live cd? or did i waste my time downloading the wrong iso ?
[10:55] <whiskey_1> decklin, well i guess i could use md5 but it seems that long ago there was a simple command to verify
[10:55] <louis_> whiskey_1, md5sum /dev/hdc
[10:55] <beowuff> decklin, md5sum didn't help me. I checked the iso and the burned cd. Still had bad packages in 4 burns on different computers at different speeds.
[10:55] <whiskey_1> i just can't remember
[10:55] <Fator_Dee> but I had same kind of problem with xfree
[10:55] <kakalto> thaswiftness, you wasted time :(
[10:55] <thaswiftness> lame :\
[10:55] <Fator_Dee> it just hangs, can't do nothing, mouse moves
[10:55] <kakalto> funny.
[10:55] <kakalto> as in strange.
[10:55] <Fator_Dee> have to ssh from another comp to be able to use it
[10:55] <KeithWeisshar> can the cd still be shipped to the usa
[10:55] <kakalto> hmm
[10:55] <djm62> can anyone recommend a gnome/gtk wifi config tool for use in internet cafs etc?
[10:55] <Fator_Dee> then just sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:55] <thaswiftness> they should make a way to install from a live cd like mepis in the next release :\
[10:55] <decklin> whiskey_1: how much simpler can you get? :)
[10:56] <decklin> beowuff: i haven't installed from the final isos yet, so i wouldn'
[10:56] <_chavo> Fator_Dee, do you have composite extension loaded?
[10:56] <decklin> t know. sorry.
[10:56] <whiskey_1> decklin, well md5sum /dev/hdd is doing something
[10:56] <mdz> thaswiftness: I'm already working on the design
[10:56] <Fator_Dee> _chavo: care to elaborate :-p
[10:56] <|QuaD-> now with ubuntu offering hula, i need to get a server with a dedicated ip :)
[10:56] <kakalto> thaswiftness, I think there's too much on the install cd to put in a livecd
[10:56] <thaswiftness> mdz, awesome :] 
[10:56] <Fator_Dee> _chavo: as in, I don't know what you are talking about :-)
[10:56] <kakalto> ohk
[10:56] <L0st> I cant start XServer, it keeps on crashing with this error: Skipping "/usr/X11/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o(m_debug_norm.o, m_debug_vertex.o)" No symbols found
[10:56] <_chavo> well if you don't know what it is, you probably don't have it loaded.
[10:56] <tolle> Is there any "hack" to make it possible to write to files in gedit from a gnome-vfs "ssh" volume?
[10:56] <kakalto> mdz, is this going to be called ubuntu lite?
[10:56] <L0st> any help guys?
[10:57] <mdz> kakalto: no
[10:57] <vessuvius> is there any native quota system to ubuntu or do I need to install quota
[10:57] <kakalto> mdz, heh.
[10:57] <_chavo> Fator_Dee, it's a new feature in xorg and it's still a little buggy, it locks up my machine here also.
[10:57] <crimsun> L0st: it shouldn't be crashing there but later. That's only a note that that module was skipped.
[10:57] <Ben2004uk> i dont know what to watch :(
[10:57] <thaswiftness> well i guess ill go download another iso :|
[10:57] <st0necol> does 5.04 solves the problem of GNOME menu-editor ?
[10:58] <Fator_Dee> chavo: but the strange thing it that it has done it with xfree too
[10:58] <whiskey_1> st0necol, no..and still no mime editor either
[10:58] <Fator_Dee> *it=is
[10:58] <whiskey_1> st0necol, as far as i can tell
[10:58] <chavo> Fator_Dee, that's probably not what's happening there.
[10:58] <Fator_Dee> maybe
[10:58] <spanglesontoast> whos the best guy to who helped me :)
[10:58] <MrNonchalant> st0necol and whiskey_1, agreed
[10:58] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: did you message me earlier?
[10:59] <spanglesontoast> yea no need to worry crimsun
[10:59] <crimsun> k
[10:59] <dholbach> mdz: already planning the party?
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> and I have tried to search through logs but have found nothing
[10:59] <kristian_> is there someway to convert 32-bit ubuntu into 64-bit?
[10:59] <mknod> is there a terminal program like putty available?  I mean: i want text to auto copied to the clipboard when selected, and pasted with the right mous button
[10:59] <kristian_> i've downloaded the amd64* packages and lib64stdc++6 but I see no difference
[10:59] <djm62> What's a good ubuntu wiki?
[10:59] <mknod> that would be nice:)
[10:59] <cycom> why would my sound be all staticy?
[11:00] <L0st> crimsun: later on, theres another error, failed to load Nvidia (modules was not found)
[11:00] <spanglesontoast> only one thing djm62 my subwoofer and center aren't working, but hey not that important
[11:00] <cikilin> k:can anybody tell me how can i download stuff (witch program i need.....)
[11:00] <crimsun> L0st: uname -r
[11:00] <djm62> spanglesontoast, search for .asoundrc files for your specific card/mobo...that will be on a mailing list somewhere
[11:01] <spanglesontoast> ah ok ty where would you recommend searching ?
[11:01] <spanglesontoast> google?
[11:01] <st0necol> Alright. Do anyone use KDE with MAC OS X theme ?
[11:01] <MrNonchalant> djm62, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[11:01] <cikilin> k:can anybody tell me how can i download stuff (witch program i need.....)
[11:01] <_adw_> so, ive got the hoary release going for a while, this should be the same as the official release  right?when all the packages are updated?
[11:01] <LinuxJones> djm62, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[11:02] <MrNonchalant> LinuxJones, hah, beat you
[11:02] <djm62> spanglesontoast, yes, use alsa, via82xx and surround as search terms
[11:02] <cikilin> k:can anybody tell me how can i download stuff (witch program i need.....) with warty 4.10?
[11:02] <cikilin> help
[11:02] <L0st> crimsun: 2.6.8.1-4-386
[11:02] <djm62> for a start...
[11:02] <LinuxJones> MrNonchalant, I guess I was too nonchalant :)
[11:02] <epicenter> for X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h, packages.ubuntu.com recommended: 	    libdevel/xlibs-static-dev
[11:02] <epicenter> Installed, it's still whining when I compile.
[11:02] <crimsun> L0st: that's an older Warty kernel
[11:02] <MrNonchalant> :P
[11:02] <tbird> HI, when i try to apt-get install kde it asks for a cd
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> cikilin: what stuff you want to download?
[11:02] <crimsun> L0st: have you dist-upgraded to Hoary yet?
[11:02] <tbird> nothing wlse does that
[11:02] <cikilin> music movies
[11:03] <eSPete> can i cancel apt-get dust-upgate and the continue tomorrow?
[11:03] <crimsun> eSPete: absolutely
[11:03] <cycom> damn. my sound is all staticky and coming out one of my speakers
[11:03] <LinuxJones> eSPete, yeah
[11:03] <L0st> crimsun: No I didnt
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> well, theres wget and I think gnome-bittorrent is available by default
[11:03] <QMario> Why doesn't Windows allow me to type in a username when trying to connect to my Linux Server?
[11:03] <djm62> :-D ubuntu's web servers are all dying
[11:03] <QMario> Yes, user-level access is on.
[11:03] <spanglesontoast> is the file we have just been playing with djm62 quite simillar to .asoundrc
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> is there a logfile for gdm?
[11:03] <cikilin> Fator_Dee how can i use;find.....
[11:04] <eSPete> cool, then i just type apt-get tomorrow morning and it'll contune form where it stoped?
[11:04] <QMario> Why doesn't Windows allow me to type in a username when trying to connect to my Linux Server?
[11:04] <MrNonchalant> What will be cool if (when?) application writers start including BitTorrent-like update processes
[11:04] <djm62> spanglesontoast, not the moprobe.d file... but it's the same general idea (this time you do just need to restart alsa)
[11:04] <stonecol_> Alright. Do anyone use KDE with MAC OS X theme ?
[11:04] <LinuxJones> eSPete, yeah
[11:04] <QMario> Not I.
[11:04] <Igg-man> qmario: try using "net use \\server\$ipc /user:username"
[11:05] <whiskey_1> hey what do you know...the md5's match...gnomebaker did not make a single error
[11:05] <WW> cikilin: Exactly what are you trying to download?  If it is something you found with a browser such as Firefox, you can use the browser to download the file.
[11:05] <L0st> crimsun: How can I upgrade from console?
[11:05] <cikilin> from a torrent site
[11:05] <cycom> why would my sound be coming out of only one speaker, and coming out staticy?
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> WW: I think he/she means wArEx
[11:05] <whiskey_1> hey that is pretty good
[11:05] <Enspyron> what is the default password for root?
[11:05] <cikilin> ex:in xp i can download with bit comet
[11:05] <LinuxJones> cycom, a bad wire/connection
[11:06] <spanglesontoast> ty djm62 you've been more help than most
[11:06] <nickse> How I can install SSH to my server?
[11:06] <Enspyron> because I didn't configure it at the installation
[11:06] <crimsun> L0st: change your /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary instead of warty, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:06] <cycom> LinuxJones: works in windows
[11:06] <MrNonchalant> Enspyron, there is no root by default
[11:06] <crimsun> nickse: apt-get install openssh-server
[11:06] <stonecol_> OR do anybody knows the link of Mac OS X theme for KDE ?
[11:06] <nickse> Thanks
[11:06] <beowuff> L0st, You need to set your apt sources to the new ones. Then you can apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.
[11:06] <roo_> stonecol_, its call "baghira"
[11:06] <MrNonchalant> Enspyron, just use sudo for everything with your current user password
[11:06] <mpq> I'm getting a weird error when I start up
[11:06] <Igg-man> nickse: apt-get install ssh (or was it 'openssh')?
[11:06] <Enspyron> Oh? then what is the account that can do everything?
[11:06] <Enspyron> ok
[11:06] <WW> cikilin: I see.  Sorry, I haven't used torrent, but I'm sure lots of folks here have.
[11:06] <Enspyron> thx
[11:06] <vessuvius> Does anyone use "quota"?
[11:06] <cikilin> k:can anybody tell me how can i download stuff (witch program i need.....) with warty 4.10?
[11:07] <mpq> when gnome starts up I get some weird HAL error
[11:07] <djm62> linux brain damage...you forget how to deal with non-linux people ;)
[11:07] <libben> wooo
[11:07] <cikilin> ww what do you use?
[11:07] <stonecol_> roo_: Thanks ;)
[11:07] <libben> i cant even download a package..
[11:07] <beowuff> cikilin, what do you mean download stuff? From a webpage? Firefox has a built in client for that...
[11:07] <libben> talk about slow =)
[11:07] <L0st> crimsun: ok mate, I will give it a short, thanx a lot
[11:07] <MrNonchalant> Enspyron, or use the Applications -> System Tools -> Root Terminal
[11:07] <crimsun> L0st: np.  Make sure you use a mirror!
[11:07] <crimsun> L0st: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en
[11:07] <cikilin> a song
[11:08] <munki> ciklin , from where ?
[11:08] <cikilin> i want to download a song from www.openmind.eu.org
[11:08] <djm62> libben: I was getting 4051 B/s on update...which is when I deduced hoary was live :)
[11:08] <MrNonchalant> lol
[11:09] <munki> rofl
[11:09] <mrkrbr> Hello guys. Congratulations for the release for those involved. I noticed there is only two awkward installation docs in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UserDocumentation for those without CDs.
[11:09] <L0st> crimsun: ok cool
[11:09] <mrkrbr> The easiest is to boot from hard disk and install from network, it's explained here: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
[11:09] <beowuff> cikilin, if there's a link on their webpage, you should just be able to click on it. Firefox should ask you where you want to download it too.
[11:10] <libben> btw.... crimsun cpuid install that if u really wanna see things from the cpu =)
[11:10] <MrNonchalant> cikilin, is this a torrent?
[11:10] <cikilin> i did like u said but is just a torrent
[11:10] <mrkrbr> booting from the network is painful to configure and requires a 2nd machine
[11:10] <stonecol_> does gnome-menus package provides editor with it or no ? bcoz Ubuntu Preview Release came with 2.10 and now its 2.10.1
[11:10] <MrNonchalant> cikilin, and if so, are you running hoary?
[11:10] <beowuff> ciklin, ah, you need a bittorrent client...
[11:10] <cikilin> ] i dont know
[11:11] <cikilin> beowuff so how can i do that?
[11:11] <beowuff> ciklin, try this... http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[11:11] <cavediver> I'm having problem with nvidia tv-out in hoary. The desktop is twice as large as my tv so it only displat half of the movie i run in full-screen for example. Tried both 800x600 and 1024x768, and it's the same. Anyone know what's up with this ?
[11:11] <beowuff> ciklin, that page is great for getting things like bittorrent clients installed.
[11:11] <cikilin> did it and not working
[11:11] <stonecol_> cikilin: cat /etc/issue
[11:11] <munki> cavediver , that's some pretty high resolutions too..
[11:11] <cikilin> i have warty 4.10
[11:12] <munki> cavediver , try under 400p
[11:12] <Igg-man> cavediver: can you scroll around to the unseen part of the screen using the mouse?
[11:12] <cavediver> munki: yes, but my card can support 1024x768.
[11:12] <j23tom> HI how to install ati properity driver ?
[11:12] <cavediver> Igg-man: I'll try.
[11:12] <munki> cavediver , yah. but can you tv also ?
[11:12] <|QuaD-> i wonder if ubuntu ever plans to release ubuntu for other kernel's (like freebsd, or hurd)
[11:12] <borgnine> one problem though....
[11:12] <Igg-man> cavediver: also, most TVs are not better then 640x480
[11:12] <borgnine> no right click on my ibook.
[11:12] <beowuff> ciklin, Oh... 4.10... try this one... http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#azureus
[11:12] <cikilin> stonecol what is that?
[11:12] <sgarrity> possible to get DVD playback in Totem(w/gstreamer) rather than going to Totem-xine?
[11:13] <munki> bornine , ctrl +click - rightclick
[11:13] <stonecol_> cikilin: It'll show you the version of your Linux box
[11:13] <cavediver> Igg-man: it works with 1024 with ewindows :), and no the mouse just disappears..
[11:13] <cikilin> warty 4.10
[11:13] <Ben2004uk> after ive installed ubuntu how do i install kde ontop??
[11:13] <borgnine> munki, no dice
[11:13] <Igg-man> cavediver: Hmm... I wonder if you could run something like xvidtune to adjust the length/width of the display
[11:13] <cavediver> munki: yes i think so, did run win in that res.
[11:13] <j23tom> HI how to install ati properity driver ?
[11:13] <GhostFreeman> thank god
[11:13] <cavediver> Igg-man: hmm, i'll test
[11:14] <Igg-man> I'm new to ubuntu (2 days now... wow, already a new release)
[11:14] <GhostFreeman> finished
[11:14] <borgnine> i've googled a lot about this and I see that the F keys can do mouse buttons 2 and 3
[11:14] <MFen> hi, does anyone have a cd label cover for the hoary install cd?
[11:14] <borgnine> but that sucks, i want control-click to be right click
[11:14] <MrNonchalant> Igg-man, me too :D
[11:14] <MFen> (is there, like, an official one?)
[11:14] <sgarrity> MFen: I think I might have seen on on Gnome-look.org
[11:14] <libben> crimsun, ive checked with cpuid ... and yes HT is supported by my cpu... do i need to enable it from bio also? or is it just enough with installing -smp and rebooting?
[11:14] <sgarrity> MFen: (probably not official though)
[11:14] <Igg-man> MrNon: do you work in the office over there?
[11:14] <MFen> sgarrity: thanks, i'll look for that
[11:14] <Igg-man> MrNon: A guy I work with just started using it, he thought I should try it. So I did :-)
[11:15] <Enspyron> I saw my cousin using an application called something similar to "synopsis". He used it to browse available packages. I tried looking for it on google but I can't find it. I think I have the name spelled wrong. Does anyone know?
[11:15] <MrNonchalant> Igg-man, no
[11:15] <sgarrity> Enspyron: Synaptic
[11:15] <GhostFreeman> I think its called Synapti
[11:15] <Enspyron> thx
[11:15] <borgnine> anybody here familiar with keymap issues on powerpc?
[11:15] <cavediver> Igg-man: i don't even understand that program unfortunately :=
[11:15] <Elsidox> can anyone help me. Im trying to get pearpc running.
[11:15] <borgnine> my apple key does nothing, and I can't get the mouse button to do button2 or button3 with modifiers
[11:15] <crimsun> libben: it needs to be enabled in bios, and you need linux-image-686-smp
[11:16] <tbird> why are the mirrors so slow
[11:16] <Ben2004uk> is there  a website which tells me whats compatible with ubuntu??
[11:16] <djm62> borgnine, can you edit the config for pbbuttons?
[11:16] <crimsun> tbird: because there are _a lot_ of people attempting to get it
[11:16] <QMario> Heh, incorrect grammar. :-D
[11:16] <crimsun> tbird: please use a mirror: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en
[11:16] <libben> crimsun, linux-image-686-smp or linux-686-smp ?
[11:16] <libben> whats the diffrence
[11:16] <tbird> crimsun, well that sux i need kde and its gonna take forever :(
[11:16] <crimsun> libben: either
[11:16] <borgnine> djm62, i hadn't seen that yet, thanks
[11:16] <MrNonchalant> Enspyron, System -> Administartion -> Synaptic Package Manager
[11:16] <crimsun> tbird: please see the archive list I pasted
[11:17] <angie75> hello there
[11:17] <whiskey_1> oh i remember the command i was trying to think of...it was called diff
[11:17] <whiskey_1> is that command still around
[11:17] <djm62> borgnine, I haven't used it myself, but I think it's what you want (I wish I had a powerbook)
[11:17] <angie75> any help for RealPlayer not runing?
[11:17] <MrNonchalant> Or, on Warty I think it was Computer -> SomethingOrOther -> Synaptic Package Manger
[11:17] <spanglesontoast> what's dxs?
[11:17] <MrNonchalant> *Managaer
[11:17] <libben> crimsun, so i can choose wich one i want... doesnt matter if i take the linux-686-smp or the one with image?
[11:17] <libben> why is it duplicates in there?
[11:17] <epicenter> Is there a good reason why a GLX app would refuse to run saying the GLX extension isn't enabled on the display when it's being loaded in xorg.conf? ... And when Tuxracer and  GL Screensavers run perfectly with acceleration? ...
[11:17] <kakalto> where is firefox's passwords kept?
[11:17] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: it's a feature on certain via82xx sound chipsets
[11:18] <GhostFreeman> Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[11:18] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[11:18] <mjr> epicenter, well, not many good reasons :)
[11:18] <angie75> kakalto: preferences
[11:18] <kakalto> norris, a file
[11:18] <kakalto> aGK"POgJO
[11:18] <spanglesontoast> crimson, you know a way to get my subwoofer working?
[11:18] <kakalto> norris, a file
[11:18] <tiredbones> I'm running hoary.I just installed tuxracer from synaptic.Shouldn't I see an icon in the game window or do I start it from the command line?
[11:18] <kakalto> piece of crap
[11:18] <kakalto> not norris, no a file
[11:18] <sgarrity> I noticed two "system beeps" during the 5.04 startup (not hardware beeps, but later in the startup) - any idea what they are or if they can be disabled?
[11:18] <angie75> kakalto: preferences--> privacy --> saved passwords
[11:18] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: did you unmute and adjust the volume for LFE?
[11:18] <MFen> sgarrity: woo, found http://www.linuxexpres.cz/index.php?show=001051023
[11:18] <kakalto> FILE
[11:18] <Amaranth> kakalto: You don't want to know where passwords are stored, trust me. :p
[11:18] <aroman> so, to upgrade to Hoary from Warty, is it as easy as s/warty/hoary/g in sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:18] <kakalto> angie75, I'm wanting to backup
[11:19] <carthik> aroman read the upgrade notes
[11:19] <Amaranth> kakalto: iirc it's in a DB format that basically only gecko knows how to read
[11:19] <spanglesontoast> yea I did unmute it
[11:19] <kakalto> I can't fiken go through and take all them down
[11:19] <crimsun> aroman: essentially, save you'll want to use a mirror: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en
[11:19] <aroman> carthik, where are they?
[11:19] <kakalto> Amaranth, that's the point!!!!
[11:19] <spanglesontoast> and I did adjust it
[11:19] <borgnine> djm62, no, i don't that i can setup right clicking in there
[11:19] <Amaranth> kakalto: Just backup the ~/.mozilla dir
[11:19] <guilhermee> it is truth that goes to launch a version of ubuntu with xfce?
[11:19] <kakalto> thankyou!
[11:19] <chavo> kakalto, do yo have /home on a separate partition?
[11:19] <epicenter> jr: Know what would cause it? There's a line to load GLX in my config file and everything else is OK, I cna't explain it
[11:19] <kakalto> chavo, yes
[11:19] <epicenter> I'm trying an SDL port of the app
[11:19] <epicenter> but not holding out much hope for it
[11:19] <tbird> ok thnx crimsun
[11:19] <angie75> kakalto: .mozilla/firefox/ ---> your user profile
[11:19] <kakalto> thanks
[11:19] <crimsun> guilhermee: all versions of Hoary include Xfce
[11:20] <crimsun> guilhermee: although you have to install it yourself
[11:20] <chavo> kakalto, then just don't format that partition.
[11:20] <kakalto> they do?
[11:20] <whiskey_1> oh well anyway md5 seems reasonable since i can't remember how to use diff
[11:20] <kakalto> chavo, you beautiful thing
[11:20] <crimsun> guilhermee: enable universe and apt-get install 'xfce4'
[11:20] <kakalto> If only I'd thought of that earlier
[11:20] <angie75> please do you know how to make realplayer run?
[11:20] <spanglesontoast> crimsun it's on full for lfe and is ticked
[11:20] <Amaranth> whiskey_1: How is md5 a substitute for diff? :)
[11:20] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: are you using ALSA 1.0.8?
[11:20] <GhostFreeman> Guys
[11:20] <GhostFreeman> I was asked about bash, what do I dp
[11:20] <GhostFreeman> do*
[11:20] <spanglesontoast> how do I check?
[11:20] <whiskey_1> Amaranth, well i just wanted to test gnomebaker on a whole cd
[11:20] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: look at /proc/asound/version
[11:21] <epicenter> XLIB: Extension GLX missing on display 0:0
[11:21] <epicenter> Keeps saying that
[11:21] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: What?
[11:21] <GhostFreeman> I was asked about my bashrc, should I install the new one or use the one I have
[11:21] <crimsun> epicenter: are you using the composite extension?
[11:21] <LinuxJones> GhostFreeman, select no the (default)
[11:21] <epicenter> crimsun: I'm not familar with it. How would I know?
[11:21] <carthik> aroman go to http://ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[11:22] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: Have you changed your bashrc?
[11:22] <crimsun> epicenter: it's not enabled by default
[11:22] <djm62> spanglesontoast,  are you looking at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=via8233 ?
[11:22] <spanglesontoast> crimsun lol 1.0.6
[11:22] <GhostFreeman> so I would keep the one I have
[11:22] <ryman> anyone has Audigy2 sound card here ?
[11:22] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: If you haven't changed it yourself (by hand) it's probably safe to replace it.
[11:22] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: / ryman: enable universe and apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[11:22] <epicenter> crimsun: This is a fresh install. Tuxracer and GL screensavers worked 'out of the box'
[11:22] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: Most of the time it's safe to keep the old versions but sometimes it can cause problems.
[11:22] <epicenter> yet this doesn't :(
[11:23] <libben> crimsun, english aint my main lang... soo i can choose between them... doesnt matter at all if i take the one with -image in its name?
[11:23] <epicenter> I compiled it with the proper xlibs and GLX libaries
[11:23] <GhostFreeman> if there's a problem, I can replace it?
[11:23] <crimsun> libben: it's easiest if you use linux-686-smp
[11:23] <chavo> epicenter, what is giving you that error?
[11:23] <lexingtone> stonecol_, look for baghira theme in kde-look.org
[11:23] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: If you can I dunno how. :)
[11:23] <LinuxJones> GhostFreeman, a good rule of thumb is to accept the default until you get used to Ubuntu :)
[11:23] <GhostFreeman> ok
[11:23] <libben> whats the -image for? when i compile my own kernel ill take it
[11:23] <GhostFreeman> also
[11:23] <Ben2004uk> right thats it
[11:24] <ubuntu> l
[11:24] <crimsun> libben: linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp is the actual package containing the kernel and modules
[11:24] <tiredbones> I'm running hoary.I just installed tuxracer from synaptic.Shouldn't I see an icon in the game window or do I start it from the command line?
[11:24] <GhostFreeman> Will apt-get get rid of all the stuff downloaded when it's finished installing it? I don't want to lose HD space
[11:24] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: Not by default, you can run apt-get clean afterward and it will.
[11:24] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: no, you must tell it to. apt-get autoclean
[11:24] <stonecol_> lexingtone: Thanks, I already apt-get it :P
[11:24] <GhostFreeman> ok
[11:24] <libben> and if i install linux-686-smp i just got it all wrapped up and ready?
[11:25] <epicenter> chavo: Darkplaces, a GL based Quake engine replacement
[11:25] <Amaranth> Or autoclean, which keeps things around until they aren't needed, however it figures that out. :P
[11:25] <Ben2004uk> windows is going bye byes
[11:25] <crimsun> libben: yep
[11:25] <Ben2004uk> mac os x as main OS
[11:25] <chavo> epicenter, what video card?
[11:25] <Ben2004uk> ubuntu as second OS
[11:25] <Ben2004uk> windows as backup
[11:25] <spanglesontoast> nice big download hehe
[11:25] <lexingtone> stonecol_,  my scroll was in wrong place :)
[11:25] <libben> if i wanna add modules in the future, i would need to install the image then?
[11:26] <crimsun> libben: what modules?
[11:26] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, whereis applciation (with some games you need to create your links manually :(
[11:26] <lexingtone> GhostFreeman, also in synaptics you can configure the cache of packages
[11:26] <libben> dont know =) i know that u can do it allthough
[11:26] <epicenter> chavo: ATI Radeon 9200 mobility.
[11:26] <lexingtone> you can set it to 0 mb
[11:26] <cikilin> with azureus saing 6881 is a blacklist port
[11:26] <cikilin> what should i do?
[11:26] <chavo> epicenter, did you install the ati drivers after you compiled it?
[11:27] <crimsun> libben: linux-686-smp should suffice
[11:27] <cikilin> please
[11:27] <QMario> Do I need user-level access enabled in order to add a printer driver from my Windows XP client to my Linux server?
[11:27] <spanglesontoast> ok it's downloaded those crimsun
[11:27] <epicenter> chavo: No.
[11:27] <chavo> ok
[11:28] <epicenter> I haven't installed any drivers yet.
[11:28] <epicenter> Since GL worked I assumed I wouldn't need to.
[11:28] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[11:28] <libben> crimsun, u know what cpuid is ?
[11:28] <crimsun> libben: yes
[11:28] <libben> ok...
[11:28] <libben> then nevermind =)
[11:29] <QMario> d'
[11:29] <tbird> Ubuntu is so much more upto date than Debian
[11:29] <tiredbones> LinuxJones: I was able to start it from the command line.
[11:29] <crimsun> tbird: in terms of stable releases, yes
[11:29] <spanglesontoast> crimsun that's without sudo?
[11:29] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, cool
[11:29] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: exact command
[11:29] <QMario> Do I need user-level access enabled in order for my Windows XP client to install printer drivers on my Linux server on the network?
[11:29] <spanglesontoast> ok
[11:29] <spanglesontoast> that's done
[11:30] <epicenter> chavo: Do I need to compile the ATi drivers?
[11:30] <epicenter> I hear they are AWFUL
[11:30] <GhostFreeman> I hear there's rumors on the internets that Ian Murdock uses Ubuntu
[11:30] <chavo> epicenter, no
[11:30] <MrNonchalant> I hear that cheese is good
[11:30] <kristian_> i've installed every 64-bit package but still no 64-bit support, what am I missing?
[11:30] <MacIver> GhostFreeman: Murdoc!
[11:30] <GhostFreeman> whatever
[11:30] <_4strO> hi
[11:30] <chavo> cheese is overrated.
[11:30] <GhostFreeman> sounds the same
[11:30] <MrNonchalant> mod it down
[11:30] <GhostFreeman> Cheese is good
[11:30] <_4strO> question about repositories
[11:31] <Sauron21> could anyone tell me why I get a "Illegal instruction" when I try to run gmplayer ?
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> next crimsun?
[11:31] <MrNonchalant> the cops will come shortlt
[11:31] <MrNonchalant> *shortly
[11:31] <crimsun> Sauron21: because you didn't install the correct mplayer version (and you don't have a Pentium 4)
[11:31] <MrNonchalant> run
[11:31] <epicenter> chavo: what do you think I did wrong?
[11:31] <chavo> Cheese by itself is ok, but it is great when combined with other things.
[11:31] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[11:31] <kbrooks> kyle@kyle:~ $ ls -l /usr/share/dict
[11:31] <kbrooks> total 0
[11:31] <kbrooks> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 30 2005-04-01 12:39 words -> /etc/dictionaries-common/words
[11:31] <chavo> epicenter, I have no idea.
[11:31] <Sauron21> thx
[11:31] <epicenter> oy
[11:31] <crimsun> Sauron21: what cpu do you have?
[11:31] <tiredbones> LinuxJones: how do I link tuxracer so that I see an icon in the drop down window?
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> do I press yes or no
[11:31] <kbrooks> Why do I get that kind of symlink
[11:32] <_4strO> have we to change repositories ?
[11:32] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, you have to install a menu editor
[11:32] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: "no" to pnp, "yes" to debug, and choose your driver
[11:32] <kbrooks> er,
[11:32] <flodine> whats up folks
[11:32] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: e.g., if you have a via82xx, you'd choose that driver
[11:32] <kbrooks> let me reword
[11:32] <spanglesontoast> i have two soundcards
[11:32] <spanglesontoast> do i do both of them?
[11:32] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: which two?
[11:32] <Impi_Warrior> One question: Is it possible to install a dual-boot Ubuntu and OS X setup on my iMac without having to reinstall OS X?
[11:32] <flodine> whats up with mplayer for 5.04
[11:32] <tiredbones> LinuxJones:  what menu editor?
[11:32] <spanglesontoast> cmipci
[11:33] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, download this >> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[11:33] <kbrooks> /usr/share/dict/words -> /etc/dictionaries-common/words # The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to does not exist.
[11:33] <spanglesontoast> then my via82xx
[11:33] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: yes, then choose both
[11:33] <kbrooks> Why?
[11:33] <kbrooks> Anyone?
[11:33] <Bongle> Is there a special trick to make growisofs work with dvds and not give me an input/output unhappyface error?
[11:33] <kbrooks> HELP
[11:33] <kbrooks> /usr/share/dict/words -> /etc/dictionaries-common/words # The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to does not exist.
[11:33] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, then open a terminal and type sudo dpkg -i menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[11:34] <aroman> all right.. I've set up my parents' computer to upgrade to hoary :D are there any upgrade notes of any sort?
[11:34] <kbrooks> How do I rectify this
[11:34] <sgarrity> Do you need xine to play dvds, or can totem/gstreamer do it?
[11:34] <spanglesontoast> do I press enter to make it do it?
[11:34] <LinuxJones> aroman, how nice of you to upgrade their machine first :)
[11:34] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: yes
[11:34] <Bongle> sgarrity, if you install the correct gstreamer stuff totem should be able to handle it
[11:34] <spanglesontoast> ok done
[11:34] <spanglesontoast> what's next?
[11:34] <spanglesontoast> :)
[11:35] <sgarrity> Bongle: Is there is a guide for that somewhere? Do you have it working? (5.04)
[11:35] <Impi_Warrior> Is anybody here running Ubuntu on a Mac?
[11:35] <kbrooks> /usr/share/dict/words -> /etc/dictionaries-common/words # The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to does not exist.
[11:35] <flodine> why wont mplayer install
[11:35] <kbrooks> How do I rectify this
[11:35] <tiredbones> LinuxJones:  Do I use synaptic for this or apt-get?
[11:35] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[11:35] <Bongle> sgarrity, let me try, I typically use xine anyway
[11:35] <mjr> hmh, anyone having problems playing mpeg2 video on hoary/amd64?
[11:35] <arrrk> does anyone if it's possible to install and use hoary from an external firewire drive on a mac?
[11:35] <aroman> LinuxJones, hehe, mine's running Gentoo :P for now... I'll see how good hoary is on their slow machine first ;)
[11:35] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, did you download the file ?
[11:35] <flodine> does someone have a link to installing mplayer
[11:35] <mwh_> Hi, anyone have a link to information on upgrading warty to hoary using the cdrom .. the release notes does not describe it
[11:36] <LinuxJones> aroman, :D
[11:36] <GhostFreeman> yeah they do
[11:36] <arrrk> I've seen some threads about it, nothing conclusive though
[11:36] <fejaor> does anybody know how to activate the bar that goes on the bottom part of the screen??
[11:36] <sgarrity> flodine: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[11:36] <GhostFreeman> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes <--
[11:36] <sgarrity> fejaor: Can you be more specific?
[11:36] <SpyD> Hi all, im running hoary 5.04 and keep seeing references to a menu editor in posts and the wiki, i dont seem to have one, any ideas how to get it ?
[11:37] <aroman> I hate new releases :( the site of the producer always becomes so slow for a couple of days...
[11:37] <bkuhn> I've just moved a drive running hoary from one laptop to a different model.  Is there a way to force the autoconfig things that happen on install to happen again?
[11:37] <Bongle> sgarrity, my totem is playing my futurama dvds on hoary
[11:37] <orchid> hello, just installed ubuntu 5.04 on my laptop and what to see the if the suspend and sleep tools are installed and working, but I dont see anything in the menu's, are these command line tools?
[11:37] <munki> fejaor , what bar ?
[11:37] <tiredbones> LinuxJones: I'm going to do it now.
[11:37] <LinuxJones> SpyD,  , download this >> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[11:37] <sgarrity> Bongle: nice... I'm getting an error"  - any idea what packages I'd need for that?
[11:37] <SpyD> Thanks Jones :)
[11:37] <fejaor> I accidentaly delete the bar that goes on the buttom of the main screen....the one that keeps the windows minimized,
[11:38] <bkuhn> mainly, I'd like X, the wireless device, and ACPI for the new machine to be configured appropriately.
[11:38] <munki> fejaor , thanks for saying you are using Gnome
[11:38] <munki> fejaor right click on the top bar, and add new panel
[11:38] <munki> now add the taskbar thing to it ..
[11:38] <Bongle> sgarrity, well i would assume gstreamer0.8-dvd, but you might have to look into libdvdcss or whatever(there is a repository listed on the ubuntu guide site with this package)
[11:39] <epicenter> What's the best app to scale clock sped on a Pentium-M? I tried 2 gnome applets and  only 2 lets me pick a speed. Speeds go as high as 1200 Mhz or as low as 800. My CPU is 1400 Mhz and it can go as low as 95. What should I be using for an app instead to get my real possible min max values?
[11:39] <Impi_Warrior> Where would I find the BitTorrent link for the PowerPC (Mac) Live CD?
[11:39] <L0st> crimsun: didnt fix it, no screens found
[11:39] <fejaor> ok
[11:39] <fejaor> thanks
[11:39] <spanglesontoast> ok done crimsun
[11:39] <Bongle> epicenter, you might try gkrellm with the plugin for cpufreq, but i'm not sure it will work much better
[11:40] <MrNonchalant> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-live-powerpc.iso.torrent
[11:40] <Impi_Warrior> Oh right, thanks a ton, MrNonchalant
[11:40] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: ls ../*.deb
[11:40] <fejaor> what's the name of the application in order to get that bar back?
[11:40] <MrNonchalant> np :D
[11:40] <bkuhn> It seems strange to me that it's so difficult to simply rerun all the auto-configuration scripts that happen on install again.  I've been looking for hours and I can't find them.
[11:40] <spanglesontoast> do i install that .deb?
[11:41] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: yes, then reboot
[11:41] <Intell_03> I have joint
[11:41] <ubuntu> ok
[11:41] <Gnobody> dpkg -i *.deb
[11:41] <spanglesontoast> ok
[11:41] <fejaor> munki....what's the application?
[11:41] <Gnobody> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:41] <blaaa> i just got warty not to long ago..if im upgrading to hoary do i need to download the hoary iso?
[11:42] <MrNonchalant> no
[11:42] <blaaa> k tnx
[11:42] <munki> fejaor , did you get the panel ?
[11:42] <munki> fejaor , just right click on the top bar..
[11:42] <fejaor> yes
[11:42] <munki> and add new panel !
[11:42] <GhostFreeman> omfg
[11:42] <GhostFreeman> OMFG
[11:42] <epicenter> Such a plugin doesn't seem to be in the repositories. :(
[11:42] <GhostFreeman> Hoary looks friggin beautiful!! <3
[11:43] <munki> fejaor , then add to panel .. and choose the taskbar
[11:43] <Intell_03> GhostFreeman:lol
[11:43] <QMario> Don't use God's name in vain, GhostFreeman!!!>:o
[11:43] <munki> fejaor , i don't use Gnome, so I can't say 100% ..
[11:43] <Gnobody> there is no god
[11:43] <spanglesontoast> brb
[11:43] <grim_> Hi Guys, I have an application that i want to socksify - i used to use sockcap32 under M$. I've tried dante-client and tsocks with no sucess. The socks server is on my local subnet. Anyone got any suggestion how i can put this program through the socks server?
[11:43] <djm62> laters all
[11:43] <Gnobody> :)
[11:43] <QMario> Only the fool says there is no God.
[11:43] <Intell_03> Qmario: He didn't use it in vane ;)
[11:43] <Bongle> epicenter, it might just come with it and you would have to go into the preferences
[11:43] <GhostFreeman> your god is dead, and no one cares
[11:43] <epicenter> Bongle: Definitely not in there
[11:43] <QMario> My God is alive.
[11:44] <fejaor> but what's the name of the taskbar??
[11:44] <munki> I don't have a god QMario :)
[11:44] <fejaor> I have plenty of options to add
[11:44] <GhostFreeman> well lets just leave it here guys
[11:44] <frank_> Hi all. I have Ubuntu. If I install kubuntu-desktop, i will get the choice between gnome and kde at login, right?
[11:44] <munki> fejaor , it's just taskbar
[11:44] <spades> fejaor: add notification area
[11:44] <GhostFreeman> respect other's religious beliefs
[11:44] <QMario> gods are dead and have never ever lived; God is living.
[11:44] <fejaor> and actually I add something weird that now I can't get rid of it
[11:44] <munki> spades .. no
[11:44] <bkuhn> I've read online that there was some plan for hoary to make it possible to rerun the autoconfiguration of all the hardware.
[11:44] <munki> that's not the taskbar!
[11:44] <bkuhn> Did that not happen for hoary?
[11:44] <mwh_> Howcome so many packages are marked for removal during the upgrade from warty to hoary? I have something like 100 packages which will be removed
[11:44] <alexsmith> When starting up, it pauses for a long time on the hotplug system.. any idea what couyld cause this?>
[11:45] <munki> fejaor , right-click on it , and remove !
[11:45] <Bongle> epicenter, well I don't know where I saw it before, sorry. You could also just try the commandline way of setting frequency?
[11:45] <tiredbones> LinuxJones: OK I have it and it's installed. How do I use it?
[11:45] <fejaor> that's the one I selected
[11:45] <epicenter> Bongle, it's just inconvenient
[11:45] <munki> fejaor , get a notepaper instead of a computer !
[11:45] <epicenter> I'd have to make scripts to do it effecitvely, I switch a lot
[11:45] <Impi_Warrior> hmmm, does anybody know how to use the BitTorrent client for OS X? I feel like a complete idiot, but I can't get it to download a torrent...
[11:45] <fejaor> but it's on the top of the window
[11:45] <Bongle> epicenter, indeed
[11:45] <GhostFreeman> how do I add icons to GNOME -> Applications now? package name?
[11:45] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, well, which bt client do you use?
[11:45] <frank_> Hi all. I have Ubuntu. If I install kubuntu-desktop, i will get the choice between gnome and kde at login, right?
[11:45] <grim_> impi - try tomato torrent, it's very good
[11:45] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, type alt + F2  then start typiong menu-editor
[11:45] <arrrk> Impi_Warrior: drag the torrent to the icon of the client on the dock
[11:45] <MrNonchalant> Impi_Warrior, just clicking on the .torrent doesn't work?
[11:45] <LinuxJones> SpyD, np :)
[11:46] <mwh_> Howcome so many packages are marked for removal during the upgrade from warty to hoary? I have something like 100 packages which will be removed
[11:46] <Impi_Warrior> aroman, the standard one from the BitTorrent.org site for OS X
[11:46] <umarmung> GhostFreeman: it's called <your favorite texteditor> :)
[11:46] <frank_> mwh: old versions of packages?
[11:46] <Intell_03> lol
[11:46] <Impi_Warrior> Nope Nonchalant, neither does dragging the link onto the app icon or window
[11:46] <Bongle> mwh_, they became unneccicary or are being replaced with some new differently named package
[11:46] <GhostFreeman> huh
[11:46] <GhostFreeman> what
[11:46] <terranwannabe> anyone here willing to answer an ALSA/Hoary question?
[11:46] <Impi_Warrior> grim, Tomato for OS X? I'll give it a look, thanks
[11:46] <fejaor> I did what you said but the new bar still there....there's an error that can't eliminate the newest bar
[11:46] <crimsun> terranwannabe: shoot.
[11:46] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, it's under Applications >> System Tools as well :)
[11:46] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, well.. try to start the client, then browse to your .torrent file, and then select it, then select a download path... should work... :/
[11:46] <mwh_> Bongle: im not totally sure of that
[11:46] <spanglesontoast> ok back crimsun
[11:46] <umarmung> GhostFreeman: the gnome people made a new menu and NO editor for it
[11:46] <grim_> tomato rocks  :) enjoy.
[11:47] <Bongle> mwh_, could you give some example?
[11:47] <terranwannabe> crimsun - I have a laptop with a built in Conexant audio chip and a USB audio adapter.
[11:47] <MrNonchalant> Impi_Warrior, have you tried downloading the .torrent file and then opening it up from the menu?
[11:47] <GhostFreeman> damn
[11:47] <terranwannabe> I can't figure out how to have USB audio as the default
[11:47] <crimsun> terranwannabe: which make & model laptop?
[11:47] <mwh_> Bongle: like jumpnbump
[11:47] <GhostFreeman> How about Synaptic
[11:47] <arrrk> someone please? any information on using ubuntu from an external firewire drive?
[11:47] <terranwannabe> HP Pavilion 5400 CTO
[11:47] <Intell_03> IMP: How about Azureus?
[11:47] <Impi_Warrior> aroman, that's the problem. The standard torrent client only has options for File->Open/Inspect/Generate, and none seem to work
[11:47] <umarmung> GhostFreeman: you can edit it with a text editor or use kde's/xfce's editor for it (but i never tried that)
[11:47] <Intell_03> *IMPI
[11:47] <GhostFreeman> where is Synaptic at?
[11:47] <spanglesontoast> crimsun, what shall I do now?
[11:47] <Impi_Warrior> I'll give Tomato a try
[11:47] <grim_> azureus crashes all the time on osx
[11:47] <crimsun> terranwannabe: paste _to me_ cat /proc/asound/modules
[11:47] <mwh_> Bongle: anyways I have changed my repositories to match hoary and now the removal number is down to 50 from 100
[11:47] <Impi_Warrior> Right intell, I'll give that one a look as well
[11:47] <Impi_Warrior> Thanks for the suggestions!
[11:47] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: does it work?
[11:48] <fejaor> still there?
[11:48] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: you need to toggle the LFE settings in amixer/alsamixer
[11:48] <Bongle> mwh_, ah, well not sure why that package would change :)
[11:48] <bkuhn> is anyone willing to help with a question about moving a hard drive to a machine with new hardware with hoary on it?
[11:48] <beowuff> GhostFreeman go to System, Administration.
[11:48] <spanglesontoast> ah ok let me try
[11:48] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, do you have Java installed? cuz if you do, you can download Azureus (azureus.sf.net) and it should work great... I use it for Windows and Linux...
[11:48] <tisaak> hi everyone
[11:48] <RastaMahata> exit
[11:48] <GhostFreeman> I don't see Synaptoc
[11:48] <GhostFreeman> Synaptic*
[11:48] <tisaak> i just installed hoary on my thinkpad. works great :-)
[11:48] <grim_> Hi Guys, I have an application that i want to socksify - i used to use sockcap32 under M$. I've tried dante-client and tsocks with no sucess. The socks server is on my local subnet. Anyone got any suggestion how i can put this program through the socks server?
[11:48] <Impi_Warrior> Right aroman, thanks for the suggestion. I do have Java installed, so I'll give it a look
[11:48] <spanglesontoast> nope still no sound from the sub
[11:48] <slashg> can someone help me getting sound to work in rhythmbox (hoary)? Totem works fine! But rhythmbox says: ALSA
[11:48] <slashg> device "default" is already in use by another program...
[11:48] <mwh_> Bongle: im down to 25 now .. :)
[11:49] <beowuff> GhostFreeman, should be Synaptic Package Manager.
[11:49] <Impi_Warrior> Damn I hate dial-up
[11:49] <GhostFreeman> hmm
[11:49] <MrNonchalant> Under a menu on either System or Computer
[11:49] <mwh_> Bongle: mostly development libraries
[11:49] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, I'm glad I was able to help... :-) Hope it works for you... You should also experience increased download speeds by using Azureus...
[11:49] <bkuhn> tisaak: I got it working on my thinkpad, but I needed to switch to a different model.  I can't seem to find a way to get hardware to reconfigure.
[11:49] <tisaak> i just have this one problem with ipv6 name resolution because my router does not support ipv6
[11:49] <tisaak> how can i completely disable ipv6?
[11:49] <Bongle> slashg, try changing the sound output method to esd, perhaps esd is blocking output?
[11:49] <Impi_Warrior> cool, thanks aroman, and grim_
[11:49] <spanglesontoast> crimsun no sound from the center/sub still
[11:49] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, dude, you have dialup? are you gonna download a Hoary CD? cuz if you will then... hmm kinda tough... lol
[11:50] <slashg> Bongle... where do I do that?
[11:50] <Impi_Warrior> aroman, I've got the entire weekend, plus the next one.... :P
[11:50] <MrNonchalant> it would take less time to order a CD
[11:50] <MrNonchalant> :P
[11:50] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: you need to toggle all the LFE settings
[11:50] <Impi_Warrior> True
[11:50] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, ah.. don't need that phone line don't you? :P
[11:50] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: the precise combination depends on your hardware
[11:50] <Bongle> slashg, if you run 'gstreamer-properties' and change default sink to ESD from alsa
[11:50] <spanglesontoast> hmmm
[11:50] <Impi_Warrior> Hopefully by Wednesday I'll have my 512k ADSL line. Not a huge improvement, and a 3Gb cap, but better than what I have now.
[11:50] <merriam> aroman: what's tough?  It's not hard to wait two or three days.
[11:50] <Bongle> slashg, Not sure it will work, but give it a shot :)
[11:50] <aroman> yeah I ordered several so that I can distribute them to friends ;) Spreading the word :)
[11:51] <aroman> merriam, well, the wait is tough... :)
[11:51] <MrNonchalant> I'm just gonna burn several
[11:51] <spanglesontoast> what do you need to know crimsun
[11:51] <merriam> I've done it many times.  It's not that tough.
[11:51] <tbird> is there a link that lists all the available packages for ubuntu
[11:51] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: I don't know the exact combination for _your_ hardware; you'll have to experiment.
[11:51] <tbird> non-free and all
[11:52] <Impi_Warrior> Hang on a bit, I can get a free CD with Ubuntu on it?
[11:52] <spanglesontoast> er well everything is switched on now
[11:52] <LinuxJones> tisaak, >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html
[11:52] <crimsun> tbird: packages.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <merriam> Impi_Warrior: yes
[11:52] <MrNonchalant> yep
[11:52] <MrNonchalant> they even pay for shipping
[11:52] <Impi_Warrior> Ah, stuff the dial-up download. I'm ordering a CD. :)
[11:52] <GhostFreeman> Impi_ it will be a while
[11:52] <GhostFreeman> took mine 8 weeks
[11:52] <mwh_> umh will the cd take precedens above the online archives?
[11:52] <MrNonchalant> Impi_Warrior, http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[11:53] <Impi_Warrior> ty nonchalant
[11:53] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, yup... I got mine in like.. ~2 months...
[11:53] <Bongle> mwh_, probably, if the cd has the package of course
[11:53] <Impi_Warrior> Right, still.
[11:53] <mwh_> Bongle: I hope so
[11:53] <GhostFreeman> better off finding a public computer with a T1 and a burner
[11:53] <darGor> i order wharty and 1 month ago. nothing happens.
[11:53] <Xylene> anyone know of a torrent for hoary?
[11:53] <MrNonchalant> lol
[11:53] <blizah> i just installed warty and did nothing special...do i need portmap?
[11:53] <Impi_Warrior> What I might do is get a friend to download the CD at the end of the month and max out his cap
[11:53] <abze> im dl my install cd, it takes under one hour with torrent
[11:53] <blizah> im guessing no
[11:53] <MrNonchalant> Too true, Ghost
[11:53] <Bongle> Xylene, have you checked ubuntu's website?
[11:53] <bkuhn> is anyone willing to answer a question about reconfiguring hardware after the install?
[11:53] <Xylene> seems dead for me at the time
[11:54] <Xylene> so yes, i checked
[11:54] <Bongle> ah
[11:54] <Impi_Warrior> Ghost, that's the problem. I'm in South Africa. Mark Shuttleworth could write books on how annoyed he gets with S.Africa's shoddy telecoms situation.
[11:54] <Bongle> well it is rather packed
[11:54] <GhostFreeman> ok, so where is synaptic
[11:54] <merriam> darGor: I don't think you could have.  If you ordered a month ago, you ordered Hoary.
[11:54] <SpaceNuts> xylene, got a second?
[11:54] <GhostFreeman> and where can I get it from
[11:54] <Xylene> actually, nevermind, i found a mirror, thanks anyways
[11:54] <slashg> dongle... it didnt work, but thx anyway
[11:54] <GhostFreeman> Impi_ :(
[11:54] <MrNonchalant> Impi_Warrior, rofl. That explains why a Mac user is still on dial-up.
[11:54] <SpaceNuts> try this mirror http://stuwww.uvt.nl/ubuntu/5.04/
[11:55] <darGor> merriam: yeah, hoary so, but ubuntu isn't coming :( with dial-up..hard to downlaod it.
[11:55] <Impi_Warrior> lol, yep. I guarantee it's not a matter of choice. Still, 512k ADSL will be a big improvement
[11:55] <SpaceNuts> And be sure to get the .torrent files
[11:55] <merriam> darGor: You need your phone line for other things? :)
[11:55] <NatRH> What seems to be the best 802.11 PCI card on Ubuntu?
[11:55] <SpaceNuts> can anyone help me, I just installed Hoary and the GUI doesn't load
[11:55] <beowuff> What are the backport repositories for?
[11:55] <carthik> Xylene, to get the torrent, add .torrent instead of .iso at the end
[11:56] <SpaceNuts> on console 7 it just give a cursor in text mode
[11:56] <jefis_> why my internet is working f%#king slow?
[11:56] <spanglesontoast> yuck rythum box uses oss
[11:56] <jefis_> i can download at 30kb/s
[11:56] <Bongle> Does anyone know if there is a way to make growisofs work for dvdrs if I get this error: :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=4h/ASC=09h/ACQ=01h] : Input/output error
[11:56] <jefis_> but speed is only 14kb/s
[11:56] <jefis_> ???????????????
[11:56] <SpaceNuts> I have got a Nvidia GF2 MX in it
[11:56] <abze> if u dl ubuntu use torrent, it will go much faster
[11:57] <SpaceNuts> and some old 2 mb ati I believe
[11:57] <Bongle> jefis_, are y ou downloading from the ubuntu website? They are rather clogged as everyone is trying to get the latest and greatest
[11:57] <SpaceNuts> but the main gf card is the nvidia
[11:57] <MrNonchalant> *pats his 180 Mbps bittorrent download*
[11:57] <jefis_> i am using torrent
[11:57] <darGor>  merriam: heeh.. i'll download.. when finished, record the .iso to a cd, that's all? ( i never dwloaded a distro, always ppl gave md cds :\)
[11:57] <spanglesontoast> jefis it's slow
[11:57] <spanglesontoast> because that's how it works
[11:57] <MrNonchalant> *pats his early morning (4:50AM) download of hoary*
[11:57] <jefis_> i tried to download direct
[11:57] <jefis_> speed is < 5kb/s
[11:57] <tbird> ok what package do i install for java
[11:57] <jefis_> torrent is 12kb/s
[11:57] <SpaceNuts> I got 280 kb/s with torrents
[11:57] <jefis_> at settings is set to unlimited
[11:58] <aroman> so, how is the upgrade from xfree86 to xorg handled through apt-get? is it automatic? or does it have to be done manually?
[11:58] <abze> here 180kbs
[11:58] <Impi_Warrior> Let's see what speed I'm pulling up. Hey, 4kps!
[11:58] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, nice :)
[11:58] <carthik> Can anyone tell me a way to get around the firewall at school which prevents me from downloading torrents, by the way?
[11:58] <abze> hehe
[11:58] <MrNonchalant> actually I have 4 Mbps down
[11:58] <SpaceNuts> patience with these torrents, speed increases over time
[11:58] <carthik> I can download fine using the same laptop at home
[11:58] <Bongle> aroman, it works well, mostly(I haven't had any problem)
[11:58] <jefis_> something is slowing down my internet
[11:58] <Bongle> aroman, and automatically
[11:58] <aroman> I have 3Mbps...
[11:58] <jefis_> opera is downloading files at 12kb/s
[11:58] <jefis_> while it should be 30
[11:58] <aroman> Bongle, cool :) thanks for the info
[11:58] <tisaak> thanks LinuxJones ! I'll reboot now
[11:58] <spanglesontoast> mines atleast 200kbps :D
[11:58] <Obsidians> If I install the Kubuntu-desktop package, what will happen?
[11:58] <jefis_> in windows allways 30kb/s, in ubuntu only 12
[11:58] <LinuxJones> tisaak, :)
[11:59] <spanglesontoast> I'm a leech
[11:59] <spanglesontoast> :D
[11:59] <MrNonchalant> :P
[11:59] <Bongle> jefis_, perhaps the server you're downloading from is busy
[11:59] <carthik> Obsidians, you can claim you run Kubuntu later :)
[11:59] <jefis_> torrent
[11:59] <SpaceNuts> anyone willing to help me with this grafics card issue?
[11:59] <aroman> I get ~300KB/s with torrents or otherwise :)
[11:59] <merriam> darGor: Yes.  You want the commands to do that?
[11:59] <gamejunky_> can anyone help me resolve this? Im trying to install Imlib2..   Package imlib2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[11:59] <gaio> any user with extigy soundcard?
[11:59] <carthik> Obsidians you get a KDE desktop installed
[11:59] <Impi_Warrior> People wonder why Shuttleworth went into space. I have the answer: He knew he'd get better bandwidth aboard the ISS than in S.Africa. :P
[11:59] <aroman> gamejunky_, try apt-get update first...
[11:59] <jefis_> even irc is laging
[11:59] <tiredbones> LinuxJones: I keyed in the info and selected save. Does not show in the drop down window.
[11:59] <frank_> Obsidian: I think you will get the choice of environment when you log in. Downloading KDE right now
[11:59] <Bongle> jefis_, perhaps you're not properly configed for torrents and people are having trouble connecting with you
[12:00] <darGor> merriam: please