[12:01] <Ben2004uk> i really need to  sort this home network out
[12:03] <axxaa> Just Installed Kubuntu - Its awsome thanks to everybody involved.
[12:03] <LeeJunFan> You're welcome!
[12:03] <LeeJunFan> oh, wait - I had nothing to do with it :)
[12:03] <tmk> hmmm
[12:03] <tmk> is there a config too for grub?
[12:03] <tmk> tool
[12:04] <incubii> next release will be titles "Kubuntu 6.0 - Kickarse Kandy"
[12:04] <_ReDRuM_> tmk: vi :)
[12:04] <incubii> oh wait that could be shortened to KKK
[12:04] <LeeJunFan> or nano
[12:04] <tmk> mcedit
[12:04] <incubii> cat and sed
[12:05] <_ReDRuM_> vi!!!!
[12:05] <incubii> :D
[12:05] <Ben2004uk> should i....buy another machine to use it as a ubuntu/2003 server,  have a dvdrw, 300gb drive and use it as a fileserver
[12:05] <Ben2004uk> or use my windows xp machine with drive as a server
[12:05] <dimmak> anybody know how i can configure the popup launch menu to use just the win key? i have to use the win+something when i just want to use win
[12:05] <incubii> yes then give me your old machine, making us both happy at the same time
[12:05] <_ReDRuM_> Ben2004uk: naw, buy a 266 and buy me that machine...
[12:05] <LeeJunFan> Ben2004uk: depends on how often you want to have to reboot it I guess.
[12:05] <Ben2004uk> not very
[12:06] <Ben2004uk> main problem is i want it to be silent
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> Ben2004uk: take the fans out.
[12:06] <Ben2004uk> and this desktop isnt
[12:06] <incubii> get a cyrix
[12:06] <loren> wow
[12:06] <_ReDRuM_> Ben2004uk: you can get some good silent fans, silent viking is quite good
[12:06] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: elite.
[12:06] <loren> Ubuntu is giving out free cds
[12:06] <loren> that's like.... never been done before
[12:06] <Ben2004uk> theres only 1,  might be psu
[12:06] <incubii> yep
[12:06] <loren> hell yeah i love them now =D
[12:06] <_ReDRuM_> Ben2004uk: for the CPU fan
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> the power supply i dont know a good silent one
[12:07] <Ben2004uk> hmmm cpu fan maybe
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> silent viking is a good quiet cpu fan
[12:07] <loren> ah
[12:07] <Ben2004uk> hmmm and gpu
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> ill sell you mine if you like since i put about 7 noisy fans in the same system :)
[12:07] <Ben2004uk> and this is why i was thinking of buying a decicated
[12:09] <_ReDRuM_> tbh these days buying a pc is cheaper than building it for most people
[12:09] <loren> i cant believe Ubuntu is cool enough to ship us CD's
[12:09] <loren> that just totally like.... that makes them rock
[12:09] <loren> they're gonna get so many installations
[12:09] <phxguy> yeah and they are completely FREE
[12:10] <loren> Free as in beer? rofl 
[12:10] <phxguy> FREE FREE FREE yeah :0
[12:10] <loren> lol
[12:10] <phxguy> ha ha ha roflmao
[12:10] <incubii> "You requested 14 CDs. They will be shipped the following address:'
[12:10] <loren> i'm gonna give them to my friends, and leave a high reccomendation
[12:10] <incubii> wee
[12:10] <incubii> too bad i couldnt order 1 of each
[12:10] <loren> XD
[12:10] <incubii> :|
[12:10] <aseigo> Riddell: ping
[12:11] <loren> ok so i have to distribute 10 cds, easy
[12:11] <loren> well
[12:11] <loren> yeah 10 and leave 2 for myself
[12:11] <_ReDRuM_> yeh im satisfied... two minor bugs ive noticed in kubuntu, baghira theme doesnt draw the tops of windows properly (and doesnt if i compile it myself either) and superkurumba weather thing just draws a blank box tho it worked until i tried to change the city :/
[12:11] <_ReDRuM_> compared to most distros thats nothing
[12:11] <loren> my friend from australia is gonna be going crazy, he has to buy all his linux distros
[12:11] <incubii> al i wanted was 1 of each arch but shipit doesnt allow that
[12:11] <Riddell> aseigo: morning
[12:11] <loren> oh and he's in australia and can't download em coz he's on dialup
[12:12] <aseigo> Riddell: hey =) when can i use shipit to get kubuntu CDs?
[12:12] <dimmak> gross dialup
[12:12] <kakalto> perhaps I'll be using kubuntu sooner than I thought
[12:12] <Riddell> aseigo: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php
[12:12] <incubii> except when im at work
[12:12] <Riddell> :(
[12:12] <aseigo> Riddell: oh.. and your blog.. "A single download dialogue to replace all those file copying dialogues" you know that already exists, right?
[12:12] <dimmak> there are no nearby wireless networks for you to hop on in the outback?
[12:12] <loren> :(
[12:12] <kakalto> unless someone can tell me where in the ~/ directory I can find my xfce settings?
[12:12] <loren> i <3 Kubuntu
[12:12] <Riddell> aseigo: I know there's code for it but I didn't think it worked
[12:12] <incubii> that would require money to purchase a wireless card
[12:12] <gdh> :))
[12:12] <_ReDRuM_> ~/.xfce ? :)
[12:12] <aseigo> Riddell: "to say that actually I really would like to quit when I close the window" is also rubbish ;)
[12:13] <chavo> Yes I love the single download window for konq :)
[12:13] <kakalto> _ReDRuM_: nope
[12:13] <dimmak> 10 bucks on ebay for a lucent orinoco
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> no idea then
[12:13] <aseigo> Riddell: i use the single window all the time
[12:13] <dimmak> my favorite card
[12:13] <incubii> id rather use our works connection
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> use KDE
[12:13] <kakalto> _ReDRuM_: that's the obvious one, and it's not there
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> hehe
[12:13] <kakalto> _ReDRuM_: it's to do with gnome not working
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> KDE is the future
[12:13] <Riddell> aseigo: screenshot? where is this single window?
[12:13] <kakalto> xfce would work if it was installed
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> gnomes belong in gardens :)
[12:13] <chavo> You have to enable it in the prefs.
[12:13] <dimmak> and you can hookup a nice pringles can or coffee can antenna and have a damn awesome wireless range
[12:13] <aseigo> Riddell: hrm... unfortunate about the shipit thing. why won't Ubuntu sponsor this?
[12:13] <Riddell> aseigo: why is it rubbish to want to quit when closing a window?
[12:13] <incubii> yeah ive done the pringles thing
[12:13] <Riddell> aseigo: because it costs a fortune I imagine
[12:14] <incubii> used it with a zaurus to reak havok on the wireless networks here
[12:14] <dimmak> coffee can is even more impressive
[12:14] <incubii> :d
[12:14] <gdh> Anyway I thought GNOME was a play on DNA .. the original helix GNOME project, etc. hence Ximian...
[12:14] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: if it's to do with missing gnome files maybe getting some gnome package like gimp would fix it
[12:14] <dimmak> i haven't done the usb nic with a parabolic china wok yet though
[12:14] <incubii> lol
[12:14] <dimmak> but that is supposed to be even better
[12:14] <incubii> if that was serious, have you got a link
[12:15] <dimmak> and way easier... i just need to go to the 99 cent store and get one
[12:15] <aseigo> Riddell: in konqi, settings -> configure konqueror, Behaviour -> Show network options in a single window
[12:15] <aseigo> er, network operations
[12:15] <dimmak> i could find it somewhere
[12:15] <dimmak> brb
[12:16] <chavo> Riddell, http://2sdw.com/dialog.png
[12:16] <aseigo> Riddell: heh. "it costs a fortune" doesn't particularly answer the question though. how much more would it cost to have another set of number boxes for kubuntu? they're already creating and shipping 3 flavours of Ubuntu.
[12:16] <chavo> it works with local and remote file operations
[12:16] <dimmak> i just loaded all my wireless related links... i think it might be in there
[12:17] <Riddell> aseigo: well well, so it is.  that desperatly needs a better desriptive label
[12:17] <Riddell> aseigo: dunno, ask Mark Shuttleworth I guess
[12:19] <dimmak> incubii: while i am looking... the basic principle is that you center the wireless nic in the focus point of the parabola of any cookware that is of parabolic shape
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> dimmak: before you know it they'll be selling cookware with RF gain ratings on the lable.: )
[12:21] <incubii> i wanna see a light night american advert on aussie Tv selling that. with possibly gunth renker or george foreman
[12:22] <incubii> late*
[12:22] <netsniper> anyone know a good tool to see HDD data transfer speeds in the command line?
[12:22] <aseigo> hdparm?
[12:22] <aseigo> or bonnie++
[12:22] <netsniper> does it show it live?
[12:22] <aseigo> depending how much accuracy and detail you want
[12:23] <Riddell> aseigo: converted to kubuntu yet?
[12:23] <netsniper> which is mor ccureate?
[12:23] <netsniper> *accurate
[12:23] <Ben2004uk> :(
[12:23] <Ben2004uk> still dont know what to do
[12:24] <Ben2004uk> been trying to decide for ages now
[12:24] <gdh> incubii: As long as they have bad hair, it'll sell
[12:24] <netsniper> aseigo, I want something that shows it live like Gkrellm
[12:24] <netsniper> not a benchmark utility
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: apt-get install sysstat
[12:26] <incubii> heh
[12:26] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, ahh let me try -- thanks man
[12:26] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, done -- but what command is it
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> iostat I think - it's been a while.
[12:27] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, the package has no man page
[12:27] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, sweet dude!
[12:27] <netsniper> that was it :-)
[12:28] <dimmak> incubii: this seems even more interesting than the link i was trying to find http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
[12:29] <Bicchi> does kubuntu include the software that uses kde instead of gnome. like additional software (packages) or is everything downloaded online. 
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> dimmak: parbolics normally yield more gain than yagi type antenna's.
[12:29] <gdh> Bicchi: all the 'important stuff' is onthe ISO
[12:30] <dimmak> true... like a light tower creates a spotlight
[12:30] <gdh> i.e. openoffice, media players, etc.
[12:30] <incubii> Bicchi the kubuntu CD contains KDE
[12:30] <dimmak> i just can't find the link to it at the moment
[12:31] <incubii> ah cool link
[12:31] <Bicchi> but does kubuntu include software for kde or do i have to download it latter?
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> dimmak: if you wanna spend some money and get a real antenna: http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/antennas_2400.php
[12:31] <dimmak> found it!!! http://www.usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/
[12:31] <dimmak> hell's no... poor man's antenna for me
[12:32] <incubii> real is for the people that dont like the cool factor :P
[12:32] <dimmak> and if i blow myself up... i want to be entirely responsible
[12:32] <gdh> Bicchi: It contains a complete KDE desktop 
[12:32] <gdh> sure you CAN get extra stuff later
[12:33] <gdh> but the CD has everything you need to run a normal system
[12:33] <gdh> Kopete/Kontact/Konversation etc.
[12:33] <Bicchi> even programming stuff ?
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> I've made my own panel, horn, yagi, and omni antenna's for 2.4GHz but never a parabolic because I couldn't find a good source for a good parabolic reflector.
[12:33] <gdh> That's hardly an everyday task for 95% of users :)
[12:34] <gdh> no, Cervisia, Kdevelop, gcc et al are downloadable
[12:34] <Bicchi> gdh: so i am the 5%. now what?
[12:34] <gdh> from the 'universe' repository
[12:34] <kkathman> Anyone here running superkaramba thats willing to help me solve a prob?
[12:35] <gdh> synaptic handles this gracefully. kynaptic is still a bit early. uncomment the relevant line from your /etc/apt/sources.conf and then update your Kynaptic lists
[12:35] <Bicchi> gdh: is it easy to download and configure those apps once kubuntu is installed.
[12:35] <gdh> yes
[12:35] <gdh> mind-numbingly easy
[12:36] <incubii> yay just got the iso
[12:36] <incubii> time to burn it
[12:36] <LeeJunFan> If you install kubuntu you'll be sorry.
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> That you didn't try it sooner :)
[12:37] <netsniper> why, is kubuntu bad?
[12:37] <gdh> don't forget the release bug of expert mode automatically formatting the first hard disk it finds :)
[12:37] <kkathman> kubuntu is just fine
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> kubuntu is more than fine.
[12:38] <netsniper> is it better that standard ubntu?
[12:38] <netsniper> give details
[12:38] <netsniper> i have been running ubuntu wart/hoary for 6 months now
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: that depends only on if you like KDE more than GNOME.
[12:38] <incubii> thats alright gdh its PPC kubuntu. no one gives a crap about OS X
[12:38] <gdh> LOL
[12:38] <incubii> :D
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: kubuntu=ubuntu with KDE.
[12:39] <netsniper> right, but caounlt i just apt-get isntall kubuntu0base ?
[12:39] <netsniper> and i would have it?
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: yes. apt-get install kubuntu-desktop I think.
[12:39] <netsniper> ahh cool, bu i cant still run the old gnome if i wanted to right?
[12:39] <netsniper> it doesnt overwrite everything/
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: yes.
[12:39] <gdh> Of course you can.
[12:39] <kkathman> LeeJunFan, do you run superkaramba by any chance?
[12:40] <netsniper> heh
[12:40] <gdh> the two happily co-exist
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: no, I downloaded it but wasn't impressed with it really. I'll stick with gkrellm for now.
[12:40] <incubii> theres 15 mice on this bloody desktop one of them must be connected to the Mac
[12:40] <gdh> you can even decide if you want gdm or kdmfor login
[12:40] <kkathman> LeeJunFan, well superkaramba is more than just monitors...its a whole desktop motif shell...but ok
[12:40] <netsniper> if i wanted to change over to see it, and then go back, what would i do?
[12:41] <gdh> remove the one youdon't like
[12:41] <gdh> it'll default to the other
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: yeah, but I really only needed monitors :) And superk didn't do a good enough job on that front although it does look better.
[12:41] <kkathman> yah I was running gkrellm also, until I loaded superkaramba
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> netsniper: I think you should be able to update-alternatives to the other gdm.
[12:42] <netsniper> LeeJunFan, ahh thanks G :-P
[12:43] <netsniper> anyone have nvidia drivers working in hoary with a widescreen laptop?
[12:43] <netsniper> i think it is impossible
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: can you get the weather thing in superkaramba working?
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> just gives me a blank box...
[12:44] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: I look outside if I want to know the weather
[12:44] <gdh> ... it works for me
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> it's eyecandy
[12:45] <gdh> I find .jpgs to fill that role :)
[12:45] <dimmak> well if anybody needs to know how to get encrypted dvds playing, i have found the fix
[12:45] <dimmak> i think it is buried in the ubuntu wiki too
[12:45] <_ReDRuM_> how do you know it works then? :P
[12:45] <gdh> dimmak: submit it to the Wiki?
[12:45] <gdh> so that everyone can benefit rather than just the losers on here? :)
[12:45] <incubii> if you could get DVDs playing period on PPC id be most happy
[12:46] <dimmak> i didn't... but i can link to where i found it on the wiki... it should probably be in the main issues section
[12:46] <_ReDRuM_> gdh - what losers on here i only see one loser
[12:46] <gdh> haha :)
[12:46] <dimmak> i am rubber you are glue
[12:46] <gdh> ooh 7 years bad luck
[12:47] <_ReDRuM_> not supersticious :)
[12:47] <gdh> dimmak: you fight like a dairy farmer!
[12:47] <LeeJunFan> I just compiled libdvdcss and mine worked.
[12:47] <dimmak> a jolly rancher
[12:47] <gdh> LOL
[12:48] <dimmak> latency time on the ubuntu wiki page is really high for me
[12:48] <dimmak> anybody having similar issues?
[12:48] <_ReDRuM_> half the net is lagged up today i dunno wtf is goin on
[12:48] <gdh> yeh most Wikis seem to be incredibly slow... must just be popular being release-day
[12:48] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: everyone is downloading (k)ubuntu. :)
[12:48] <gdh> the ubuntu one has loads of reverse proxies in front of it any everything
[12:49] <dimmak> the correlation isn't too radical
[12:49] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: while playing frisbee with their free cds...
[12:49] <incubii> everything is high for me on dialup
[12:49] <loren> anyone have any idea how long it takes Kubuntu CD's to ship?
[12:49] <loren> just curious if anyone has a figure
[12:49] <_ReDRuM_> someone stick ubuntu wiki in the coral proxy
[12:49] <gdh> loren: They don't exist
[12:49] <gdh> loren: Shipit don't do Kubuntu CDs
[12:49] <loren> well Ubuntu
[12:49] <loren> or whatnot
[12:49] <gdh> no idea...
[12:50] <gdh> If you can download, download.
[12:50] <loren> lol
[12:50] <loren> then u could donate ;) lol
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> hot of the press! new redhat enterprise linux!
[12:50] <loren> today?
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> sales pitch
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> give them a real OS
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> they'll never know
[12:50] <_ReDRuM_> kubuntu everywhere
[12:51] <loren> XD
[12:51] <incubii> lol
[12:51] <loren> very yes
[12:51] <Riddell> loren: there isn't shipit for kubuntu
[12:51] <loren> San Francisco Bay Area celebrates "Penguin Day"
[12:51] <loren> Next Tuesday, non-profit organizations and Open Source experts and advocates in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather together in honor of "Penguin Day" 2005.
[12:51] <loren> The event aims to "demystify open source, frankly address the challenges of developing open source tools, and learn about specific promising open source applications," say event supporters.
[12:52] <loren> XD but the cds have KDE in it right?
[12:52] <gdh> loren: No.
[12:52] <loren> gah
[12:52] <gdh> Kubuntu exists mainly because you can't fit base + X + KDE + GNOME in 700MB
[12:52] <loren> "Ubuntu 5.04 (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) IS OUT! Download here. Like last time, we're sending out pressed CDs at no cost as well. Sign up for these at shipit.ubuntulinux.org"
[12:53] <tempus> as new kubuntu user i have a Q after the install it said something like there was a problem during the install please try and install the packages again but i dont know witch package =) is there a logg or somthing ?
[12:53] <dimmak> yeah shipping a free product for free is quite an investment into the community
[12:54] <gdh> :)
[12:54] <_ReDRuM_> and an interestic tactic to grab market share
[12:54] <dimmak> well i promise not to run away unless i find something better... so you have my conditional loyalty
[12:54] <loren> exactly
[12:55] <loren> i hope they do grab the market
[12:55] <loren> i use em
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> tempus: /var/log/installer ?
[12:56] <_ReDRuM_> i do too
[12:56] <tempus> ill take a look =) thx
[12:57] <_ReDRuM_> they have that "google good practice" thing going on and its a nice OS to boot
[01:03] <incubii> hmm even expert install doesnt ask for proxy :|
[01:09] <StevenR> Riddell: we were talking about kynaptic last night in pub...would kpackage not do the job of a gui package manager?
[01:09] <loren> i like kpackage
[01:09] <loren> kyanptic sucks
[01:10] <Riddell> StevenR: it would but people find it more difficult to use (some people love it of course), it's not that well maintained and it requires su which we don't do
[01:10] <Riddell> but like loren says :)
[01:10] <gdh> kynaptic is a bit 'duh' :)
[01:10] <StevenR> Riddell: i see
[01:10] <dimmak> i have no problems with kynaptic
[01:10] <loren> hehe
[01:11] <loren> Riddel: it's graphically ok but in kubuntu it can't even install .deb files can it? how practical is that
[01:11] <gdh> Even just adding synaptic's 'which repositories do you want?'  would be really helpful
[01:11] <dimmak> i see
[01:14] <StevenR> what does kubuntu come with in the way of admin tools?
[01:14] <incubii> vi
[01:14] <incubii> :D
[01:15] <StevenR> always useful in an emergency, if vim is corrupt
[01:15] <incubii> kde-admin-tools
[01:15] <incubii> i think
[01:15] <StevenR> incubii: ?
[01:15] <StevenR> kuser, etc?
[01:16] <incubii> i think they are default, i think kde admin is extra stuff, though imn probably wrong
[01:16] <StevenR> can you clarify Riddell ?
[01:16] <Riddell> kuser, knetworkconf
[01:17] <tempus> i dont get the SU thing =P if i wanna run apt-get from a terminal i type su first but get Authentication failure when i type my password
[01:18] <Riddell> tempus: sudo apt-get install foo
[01:18] <tempus> thx
[01:22] <incubii> is you wanna use su
[01:22] <incubii> sudo passwd root
[01:22] <tempus> thx its just old habbits die hard =))
[01:23] <incubii> that they do
[01:25] <tempus> =)
[01:26] <incubii> either that or allow proxy entry
[01:26] <incubii> then id have the updates in about 5 seconds
[01:26] <incubii> :D
[01:27] <tempus> how do i search packages with apt ?
[01:27] <uniq> apt-cache search whattosearchfor
[01:28] <gdh> apt-cache search blah
[01:28] <tempus> k thx
[01:28] <gdh> does search take regexes?
[01:28] <incubii> i dunno i search for apple and i get apple oranges and banana
[01:28] <uniq> yes.
[01:28] <uniq> it does.
[01:28] <incubii> despite orange and banana not mentioning appl
[01:29] <gdh> cool
[01:29] <uniq> incubii: it searches description too.. not just the name.
[01:29] <uniq> add --names-only 
[01:30] <uniq> if you'd like that.
[01:30] <incubii> ah
[01:30] <incubii> that would be handy
[01:31] <uniq> alt+f2  #apt-cache
[01:31] <uniq> for more details.
[01:34] <gdh> oo that's a cool trick
[01:34] <gdh> who decided on # as an alias for 'man' ?
[01:35] <uniq> dunno.
[01:47] <incubii> hmm i should try remastering my own kubuntu
[01:47] <incubii> geta n sys/net admin one going
[01:47] <incubii> :D
[01:47] <incubii> something liek auditor
[01:49] <tempus> is there more repos ? like linuxpackages.net or rpmfind etc 
[01:50] <incubii> # as an alias to man sounds like a webshortcut
[01:50] <incubii> like ggl is goold im feelin lucky
[01:51] <incubii> google*
[01:51] <tempus> goggle 4tehwin ^^
[01:51] <gdh> tempus: More than universe + multiverse?
[01:52] <tempus> ok thats sounds like something i didnt know about =)
[01:52] <incubii> lol
[01:52] <incubii> man i been waitin almost 30 mins now for this update process to timeout
[01:52] <incubii> :(
[01:52] <tempus> =/
[01:53] <incubii> u think it could take a hint
[01:53] <incubii> apt-get install some-clues
[01:53] <gdh> tempus: uncomment the relevant lines from /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <gdh> then apt-get update
[01:54] <tempus> k thx
[01:54] <gdh> main is on the CD, universe has 4x more extra s/ware than on the CD
[01:54] <tempus> and im guessing mutiverse is bleeding ?
[01:54] <gdh> nop, mul is non-free
[01:54] <gdh> obvious, huh? :|
[01:54] <tempus> ah
[01:55] <gdh> so expect the usual flash-player in there etc.
[01:56] <tempus> thx =) im new to deb
[01:56] <incubii> except if you use PPC
[01:56] <incubii> then u dont get squat
[01:56] <incubii> :D
[01:57] <gdh> of course, but if the Mac weenies find you have PPC and not using OS X, they'll hang you up by a very tastefully designed and shiny rope.
[01:57] <gdh> iRope
[01:57] <incubii> oh i tell them all the time
[01:57] <incubii> i piss them off more by running mac-on-linux
[01:57] <incubii> :D
[01:57] <gdh> cool :) 
[01:57] <tempus> hehe
[01:57] <gdh> 'genie effect' - please FOAD.
[01:58] <incubii> i have to admin OS X boxes
[01:58] <incubii> so im looking forward to 10.4
[01:58] <incubii> only cause i get it for free
[02:01] <incubii> heh i like that exit
[02:04] <tempus> well im getting the hang of this now =)
[02:06] <incubii> yay it just timed out!
[02:06] <incubii> now i can reboot an update
[02:06] <incubii> lol
[02:06] <tempus> yay gratz =))
[02:06] <incubii> bout freakin bloody time
[02:06] <incubii> been using array 5
[02:06] <incubii> :D
[02:07] <gdh> I wonder if there's an env variable you can shoehorn into the start of the installer
[02:07] <gdh> something liek running the installer in virtual terminal 2 after exporing HTTP_PROXY ...
[02:07] <incubii> well debian sarge asks for the proxy, and ubuntu installer is based on it
[02:07] <incubii> so hopefulyl the next release will hav eit
[02:07] <gdh> I guess it was removed as a 'scary' question for noobies
[02:08] <incubii> its not even in expert mode
[02:08] <gdh> 'Contact my network administrator!?!! wtf!?!?!?!'
[02:08] <incubii> :|
[02:08] <tempus> hey dont pick on the noob <--- =))
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> at least ubuntu didnt try and disable console
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> you have to screw around with fedora to get console in install
[02:08] <dimmak> i am setting up an ubuntu box right now to play with
[02:08] <incubii> its only a niggly thing anyway. just means i have to leave me seat and go do something :((
[02:09] <tempus> the leaveing the seat thing is never good
[02:10] <incubii> i know the seat started taking on its original form!
[02:10] <tempus> and it gets cold *brrr*
[02:10] <gdh> Ubuntu installer encourages caffeine and snacking.
[02:10] <gdh> that was one of the original goals for the Ubuntu project.
[02:10] <incubii> maybe each CD should come with a mars bar and a jolt cola
[02:10] <gdh> don't you people read anything? ;) tsk :))))
[02:11] <incubii> lol
[02:11] <tempus> hehe
[02:11] <incubii> i never read goals
[02:11] <incubii> they all say the same thing
[02:11] <incubii> "i am the best use me"
[02:11] <gdh> True :)
[02:12] <incubii> even corel linux says that
[02:12] <gdh> Yum, pre-Prodigy
[02:12] <tempus> well i better get some sleep tanking my daughter dancing tomorrow =)
[02:12] <incubii> what sort of dance
[02:13] <tempus> shes 4 so its mostly running around =)
[02:13] <gdh> tempus: g'night - make sure you have tutu all ready for the big day :)
[02:13] <incubii> lol
[02:13] <incubii> have fun
[02:13] <gdh> you suit pink frills so nicely
[02:13] <tempus> thx ^^ nite nite
[02:15] <incubii> everyone seems to use konversation
[02:15] <incubii> maybe i should take a hint
[02:16] <gdh> It's very good
[02:16] <gdh> knocks ksIRC for six
[02:16] <incubii> i use xchat :)
[02:16] <gdh> certainly a drop-in replacement for XChat
[02:16] <gdh> heh :)
[02:17] <incubii> all my perl scripts i have require xchat
[02:17] <incubii> dunno if i really wanna re-write them
[02:18] <gdh> I've not looked into Konv's scripting capabilities, but they must be present...
[02:19] <gdh> File -> KDE Scripts -> Test Shell Script 
[02:19] <gdh> is there..
[02:19] <incubii> ah
[02:19] <gdh> so there's /some/ kind of hook present
[02:21] <uniq> anyone figured out how to remove the names from the nicklist? not the nicks, but the names.. 
[02:21] <uniq> i konv.. 
[02:21] <uniq> I couldn't stand it..
[02:23] <_ReDRuM_> hmm anyone know why azureus thinks its still running when it isnt?
[02:23] <incubii> im currently using CGI:IRC
[02:23] <incubii> :)
[02:25] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Because it's Java and therefore gh3y? :)
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> there's no better torrent client for linux unfortunately
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> azureus is my vcr, ive got to fix it
[02:25] <gdh> screen ?
[02:26] <gdh> and bittornado etc. ? 
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> what screen with some python process running on a seperate port for each torrent
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> ...
[02:26] <incubii> whats kopete compared like to gaim
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> no thanks
[02:26] <gdh> Oh yeh :)
[02:26] <gdh> and would still eat less than Java
[02:26] <gdh> incubii: Generally more pleasant
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> and doesnt let you select individual files in torrents either
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> both sucky clients
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> java is the only worthwhile one on linux
[02:28] <Kortor> hi
[02:28] <malignosama> Hi, does anybody knows about sharing files in kde?
[02:28] <Kortor> do normal .deb packages worn on kubuntu?
[02:28] <malignosama> need help
[02:28] <Kortor> or does it have its own type of package or does it need special .deb packages?
[02:29] <gdh> any 'special' factor willbe due to dependencies 
[02:29] <incubii> is the guy who wanted those cool look fonts for kubuntu in here ?
[02:29] <gdh> it uses the same .deb file format
[02:30] <Kortor> okay, thanks
[02:30] <Kortor> hmmm...
[02:30] <Kortor> so if I added the debian package source to my sources list, could I apt-get things from there?
[02:30] <uniq> yes, but it's not recommended.. 
[02:30] <uniq> atleast pin it down.
[02:31] <Kortor> okay, I wont
[02:31] <malignosama> I did that, and everything got wrong
[02:31] <Kortor> yeah, it would probably try and "update" my system files
[02:31] <Kortor> heh
[02:31] <Kortor> anyway
[02:31] <uniq> no.. 
[02:31] <uniq> not if you pin it down.
[02:31] <Kortor> shrug
[02:31] <Kortor> well, I don't even know what that means
[02:31] <Kortor> and I meant if I didn't
[02:31] <uniq> add 3 lines to /etc/apt/preferences
[02:31] <jimmyw> well everyone , whats the new kubuntu like? im downloadin at the mo
[02:32] <uniq> Package: * 
[02:32] <incubii> it rocks your jocks
[02:32] <Kortor> I just wont bother with it. I'm sure kubuntu has everythign I need.
[02:32] <uniq> Pin: origin ftp.debian.org
[02:32] <uniq> Pin-Priority: 50
[02:32] <loren> hmmh i should download it as well
[02:32] <loren> would be a good idea
[02:32] <uniq> for example.
[02:32] <malignosama> Has anybody had problems trying to share directories in kde?
[02:32] <Kortor> what are universe and multiverse in relation to packages
[02:32] <loren> can we upgrade to the official stable release?
[02:32] <incubii> multiverse = non-free
[02:32] <jimmyw> can ya install kubuntu from the live cd like mepis? or do ya have to download install cd?
[02:33] <loren> nope but then again havn't tried to share dirs
[02:33] <uniq> kortor: if it doesn't, please add it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[02:33] <incubii> universe = contrib
[02:34] <gdh> given the amount in universe I thought it was simply 'the rest of main which didn't fit on the CD'
[02:34] <uniq> loren: yes you can.
[02:34] <jimmyw> anyone know?
[02:34] <Kortor> and what is multiverse?
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> #azureus is the gayest channel ever
[02:34] <gdh> 2MB of contrib .gzipped?
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: whatever isnt in universe :)
[02:34] <jimmyw> uniq, were you talkin to me?
[02:34] <gdh> multiverse is non-free
[02:34] <Kortor> ah
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: oh thats what it is :)
[02:34] <Kortor> thanks
[02:34] <gdh> flash-player, and friends
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: someone should sneak sun jre in there...
[02:35] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: or hurry the hell up with a truly free JRE :)
[02:35] <Kortor> so, does that mean multiverse is things I would normally have to pay for if I didn't get them from there?
[02:35] <uniq> jimmyw: no, but i don't think you can install from the livecd.. haven't tried the livecd my self.. but my guess is that you can't.
[02:35] <gdh> Kortor: nono, non-free as in not free software
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> i tried running azureus with the free jre that comes with kubuntu
[02:35] <gdh> Kortor: free != price etc.
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> doesnt work needless to say
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> whats wrong with blackdown?
[02:36] <Kortor> gdh: Ah... so it's not illegal to get it?
[02:36] <gdh> Kortor: if it were illegal it wouldn't be there
[02:36] <jimmyw> uniq, ok , thanks , and why should i try kubuntu instead of just apt-getting kde in ubuntu?
[02:36] <gdh> Kortor: Please read http://www.debian.org/intro/free
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: whats wrong with blackdown jre?
[02:36] <Kortor> gdh: Heh. Just wanted to check. So you mean non-free as in closed source?
[02:36] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: No idea, I don't use any Java 
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> its opensource and its about as good as suns...
[02:36] <uniq> jimmyw: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu will give you kubuntu.
[02:36] <gdh> Last I looked, Blackdown didn't work with any glibc 2.3
[02:37] <uniq> jimmyw: no need to download the cd :)
[02:37] <gdh> last update was 2 years ago or something
[02:37] <uniq> iso-image anyway.. 
[02:37] <jimmyw> uniq,  but is there any reason why kubuntu is better than ubuntu?
[02:37] <loren> it being "better" is oppinion
[02:37] <loren> and in my oppinion i prefer it over ubuntu
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> it's only a few vers behind sun, and its a lot more useful than that sketchy java thing in the ubuntu repo 
[02:38] <gdh> jimmyw: kubuntu vs. ubuntu is simply KDE vs. GNOME except in a pre-packaged format
[02:38] <uniq> jimmyw: it uses KDE as desktop environment.. instead of gnome.. as default.. if you like KDE, kubuntu is better. If you like gnome, ubuntu is better.
[02:38] <gdh> so, whichever you prefer - go with that ISO
[02:38] <Kortor> Can I upgrade to the newest version of kubuntu with apt-get update, apt-get upgrade like I could with Debian? I had the misfortune of installing Kubuntu the day before the new one was released
[02:38] <gdh> You can easily install a GNOME desktop to Kubuntu, and easily install a KDE desktop to Ubuntu
[02:39] <gdh> Kortor: Of course you can :)
[02:39] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: yeh
[02:39] <gdh> that's the joy of it
[02:39] <_ReDRuM_> however i dont think much changed..
[02:39] <uniq> jimmyw: when you've installed ubuntu.. you can easily try kubuntu with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.. and the other way around with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:39] <jimmyw> oh right
[02:39] <Kortor> gdh: Okay, thanks. :D
[02:40] <gdh> =)
[02:40] <Kortor> What is the difference between k/ubuntu and Debian? Is it just mostly different packages come with it, or are there other things too?
[02:41] <loren> it has a lot of the different packages and mods
[02:41] <gdh> The difference is the speed of development and customisation
[02:41] <loren> debian erm has a lot of crap inbetween and takes more effort to mod to become usable in my oppinion
[02:41] <gdh> Ubuntu is focused squarely at the desktop
[02:42] <gdh> and focused on i386, PPC and AMD64
[02:42] <gdh> Debian provides an all-purpose OS for a billion architectures
[02:42] <Kortor> okay
[02:42] <Kortor> sounds great
[02:43] <Kortor> and I heard k/ubuntu is updated frequently, a lot more frequently than debian, is this true?
[02:43] <gdh> yes
[02:43] <Kortor> great
[02:43] <Kortor> sounds perfect
[02:44] <gdh> 4.10 was released in Oct 2004
[02:44] <gdh> 5.04 was released today
[02:44] <gdh> so, about 6 months per major release
[02:45] <Kortor> sounds good
[02:45] <gdh> for a desktop OS I think that's a nice tradeoff of stability versus features
[02:45] <Kortor> a lot better than Debian
[02:45] <gdh> Debian woody is great for servers :) 
[02:45] <Kortor> Heh.
[02:45] <uniq> I can second that.
[02:45] <Kortor> To me, though, features are a lot more important than stability, as long as its more stable than Windows. :P
[02:45] <gdh> I can do without a major upgrade to 50 machines every year, thanks :)
[02:46] <uniq> same.
[02:46] <Kortor> haha
[02:46] <uniq> I don't have 40 machines at the moment.. but anyway.
[02:46] <uniq> s/40/50/
[02:47] <gdh> Nor I. Forgot the 30 workstations share the same rootfs :)
[02:47] <gdh> but hey 50 sounds cooler
[02:47] <Kortor> yeah
[02:47] <Kortor> its a nice number
[02:47] <Kortor> :P
[02:47] <Kortor> multiple of 10 and 5!
[02:47] <gdh> who'd have thought =)
[02:48] <Kortor> not i
[02:48] <incubii> excellent got most of my apps installed now :d
[02:49] <Kortor> a friend of mine tried to tell me you can hack peoples' websites with "a 1337 hax0r program called TextEdit!"
[02:49] <Kortor> im sure HE never would have though
[02:49] <Kortor> thought
[02:49] <gdh> incubii: I think there'll be a cure for dialup someday...
[02:49] <Kortor> shudder
[02:49] <gdh> It's called 'civilisation'
[02:49] <incubii> lol
[02:49] <Kortor> dialup is like a disease
[02:49] <Kortor> im inflicted
[02:49] <incubii> yeah more money
[02:49] <incubii> then i can afford adsl
[02:50] <gdh> broadband is as basic a utility as water + electricity :)
[02:50] <incubii> omg 
[02:50] <incubii> they fixed the xpallete issue on ppc
[02:50] <Kortor> ...
[02:50] <Kortor> dialup
[02:50] <uniq> .. not for long though.
[02:51] <incubii> i take my HDD to work to upgrade, uniq
[02:51] <incubii> ;)
[02:51] <uniq> I don't live here.. my parents do.
[02:51] <uniq> I've got my 2mbps connection just waiting for me to get back home.. monday.
[02:51] <gdh> I have 1Mbps here and 2x 100Mbps at work :)
[02:51] <incubii> boo udev is broken again
[02:52] <uniq> 2x100 is nice.
[02:52] <crimsun> "broken again"?
[02:52] <gdh> BGP still scares me :)
[02:52] <gdh> current task is to put in a failover firewall / router box 
[02:52] <incubii> yes in kubuntu before RC i upgraded udev and KDe didnt take 5 mins to login
[02:52] <Kortor> yeah, I have a broadband that I just don't have access too atm
[02:52] <Kortor> that's also my comp with kubuntu
[02:52] <incubii> now it takes 5 mins to login again with the release
[02:53] <Kortor> im too cheap to buy a new modem, and this pos came wit a winmodem
[02:53] <crimsun> 5.04 works fine here
[02:53] <incubii> are you on PPC
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> hmm
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> never realised NFS was so fast
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> that must be the first time i've ever seen the ethernet card actually do 100mbit
[02:54] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: yeh but it's swapping every bit of your data :)
[02:54] <_ReDRuM_> let it
[02:54] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: sure beats samba eh? :)
[02:54] <_ReDRuM_> sure does
[02:54] <gdh> SMB/CIFS is a travesty :/
[02:54] <_ReDRuM_> easier to setup too
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: what I don't understand is how samba seems to be slower between 2 windows machines than a linux and a windows machine.
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: very odd :)
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> i've never got more than about 6 megabytes a sec from CIFS
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: I mean the obvious is that it's windows :)
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> was actually getting 11 this time
[02:56] <gdh> yum
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: yeh thats odd too tho considering win 2k3 has a decent network stack must be the protocol
[02:56] <gdh> I have a shitty hub upstairs I need to change for a shitty switch instead =)
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> gdh: apt
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> :)
[02:56] <gdh> LeeJunFan: hah =)
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i've got some $15 switch and it works fine :)
[02:56] <incubii> lol
[02:56] <incubii> apt-get install uber-network
[02:57] <gdh> yeh I have a handful of USB-powred 8-port $10 crap here
[02:57] <gdh> and they all happily forward a full 10-11MB/sec..
[02:57] <gdh> need another one :)
[02:57] <_ReDRuM_> ... why usb power a hub ?
[02:57] <gdh> saves another wall-wart + electricity
[02:58] <gdh> if there's a machine nearby it which is on all thetime anyway, etc....
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> power adapters :)
[02:58] <gdh> Erk :)
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> never had a problem
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> people always look at it like "err scarey"
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> but works just fine :)
[02:59] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: when you do, I'm sure the fire marshall will let you know it. :)
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[02:59] <Kortor> bah, I forgot to write down what I did to my konsole on debian
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> mostly low drain devices anyway
[02:59] <Kortor> I did this really awesome thing to konsole, so it slid down from the top of the screen when I moved my mouse to the top
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> kortor - cool
[03:00] <Kortor> but I lost it. im gonna have to go google for it
[03:00] <Kortor> since I deleted Debian for Kubuntu yesterday
[03:00] <gdh> erk, didn't keep a backup of your homedir even?
[03:01] <uniq> well.. bed.. 
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> is it a tweak or an addon?
[03:01] <uniq> good night.
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: nite
[03:01] <gdh> nn
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> nest tweak i found so far is enabling the search filter in konquerer
[03:01] <Kortor> its not an addon
[03:02] <Kortor> it was window behavior
[03:02] <Tm_T> hm
[03:02] <Tm_T> ha, auto-shade ?
[03:02] <Kortor> _ReDRuM: I'm looking for it, but no luck so far. If you find it before I do, wanna give me the addy?
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> maybe its autoshade..
[03:03] <Kortor> gdh: My harddrive was full so I couldn't have done it.
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> yeh was going to
[03:03] <Kortor> what is autoshade?
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> your tweal
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> illl tell you one thing, its not "force window to be menu bar"
[03:03] <Tm_T> =)
[03:03] <Kortor> I remember it involved shades
[03:04] <gdh> Kortor: LOL I wish my data was so disposable as to be reformattable when my HD gets full :)
[03:04] <Kortor> gdh: Heh
[03:04] <Kortor> gdh: The only thing I had NOT disposable was this thing with Konsole. :P
[03:05] <_ReDRuM_> condifigure window behavior -> advanced -> shading -> enable hover
[03:05] <Kortor> ah
[03:05] <Tm_T> jeah
[03:05] <Kortor> yeah, it was really nice
[03:05] <Tm_T> unshade on focus and so on
[03:05] <Kortor> because I changed position so none of the borders showed
[03:05] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: now how do i make it automaticall roll up when im not using it? :)
[03:05] <gdh> Joys of KDE.. GNOME would have dictated that feature was non-desirable and hence not available
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> oh
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> it just does :)
[03:06] <Kortor> haha
[03:06] <Tm_T> whoa
[03:06] <Kortor> yeah, it was really sweet
[03:06] <Kortor> especially what I did to the position
[03:06] <Kortor> oh bother. I forgot I lost my bookmarks
[03:06] <Kortor> or I could show you what it looked like
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> this is sweet
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> thanks kotor :
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[03:06] <Tm_T> haha
[03:06] <Kortor> haha
[03:06] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[03:07] <Kortor> yeah, then change the position so it hides the borders
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> the most productive environment to idle in ever
[03:07] <Kortor> the left and right borders
[03:07] <Kortor> and make sure it shows on all desktops
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> hmm i like the borders...
[03:07] <Tm_T> all it's missing is true transparent background in konsole
[03:07] <Kortor> you LIKE the borders?
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> yeh with my mac looking theme :)
[03:07] <Kortor> shudder
[03:07] <Kortor> Mac OSX made of ugly
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> not as good as baghira, but baghira screws up in kubuntu
[03:08] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: no it's not
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> it does on my box
[03:08] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I use baghira =)
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> tried installing the package and then i tried compiling it myself
[03:08] <Tm_T> heh
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> both times the title bars of the windows were missing
[03:08] <Kortor> did you change the top position so it removed the minimize/maximize/close buttons?
[03:08] <Kortor> on konsole
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> no i left them there
[03:09] <Kortor> ewwww
[03:09] <Kortor> :P
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> just stuck it like a window blind above the chat window
[03:09] <Kortor> I moved that up and all the borders
[03:09] <Kortor> so it actually popped out from the top of the screen
[03:09] <Kortor> completely hidden when I didn't want it
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> hmm
[03:09] <Tm_T> wait a second, I take capture of my desk
[03:09] <kakalto> can I make 2 bars in KDE?
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> i dont mind seeing it there
[03:09] <kakalto> like, one at top, one bottom
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> but that does sound sharp
[03:10] <Kortor> its really nice. :P
[03:10] <kakalto> ?
[03:10] <Kortor> g2g though
[03:10] <incubii> hmm i tried to use kynaptic and now its installing everything with no progress window
[03:10] <Kortor> bye
[03:10] <incubii> weee
[03:11] <Tm_T> sweet ;) http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture.png
[03:11] <kakalto> can I make 2 different bars in kde?
[03:12] <Tm_T> kakalto: bars?
[03:12] <kakalto> like, you have 1 bar at the bottom as default
[03:12] <kakalto> can you have 2 bars?
[03:12] <Tm_T> you mean panels?
[03:12] <Tm_T> yes
[03:12] <kakalto> yeah
[03:12] <kakalto> bars, panels, they're called something different for anything you go to
[03:12] <Tm_T> yes
[03:13] <kakalto> how?
[03:13] <_ReDRuM_> it wont let me turn off the borders
[03:13] <Tm_T> rightclick on panel -> add to panel -> panel ->
[03:14] <_ReDRuM_> how thick is that - i was doing it in advanced settings all i had to do was right click and "remove borders"
[03:14] <Tm_T> heh
[03:14] <_ReDRuM_> cant make it shade without borders :/
[03:14] <kakalto> TM_T, thanks. I didn't expect it to be under that menu.
[03:14] <Tm_T> kakalto: np
[03:14] <incubii> lol
[03:15] <Tm_T> I see it wasn't bad idea to come here
[03:15] <incubii> does anyone NOT use virtual desktops ?
[03:15] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: you bastard youve got my theme :)
[03:15] <Tm_T> haha
[03:15] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: theyre the best thing ever
[03:15] <incubii> i cant stand them
[03:15] <Tm_T> haha
[03:16] <incubii> though it kinda makes kompose almost useless
[03:16] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: when you open 20 firefox tabs nextime and its on two different subjects, send one to a seperate desktop, much less clutter
[03:16] <incubii> yeah i guess
[03:16] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I did chanced many things to look nice with that theme ;)
[03:17] <incubii> what are these novola icons like ?
[03:17] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: i usually put chat and junk on windows 1, videos and azureus on window 2, shell and research on window 3, code on window 4 (s/window/desktop/)
[03:17] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: di ya like that background?
[03:17] <incubii> sounds like a plan
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: its ok
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: heh.
[03:18] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I use shell irc clients at mostly ;) 
[03:18] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I tried gimp for awhile, not too bad to be my "art"
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i'm glad you noticed that i did draw a distinction :)
[03:19] <Tm_T> how many use IRSSI in here?
[03:19] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: i'll see if i can find my favorite background (i use irssi when i use console for irc which isnt too often)
[03:19] <Tm_T> hah
[03:20] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[03:20] <gdh> =)
[03:20] <incubii> i use a fork of IRSSI for Dr Dos 7.03
[03:20] <incubii> :D
[03:20] <gdh> gosh that's a bit 1337
[03:20] <gdh> I'm using it on CP/M
[03:20] <Tm_T> I used irssi in win32 =)
[03:20] <incubii> lol gdh i really do use it on dos
[03:20] <Tm_T> I even use Irssi in cell sometimes
[03:21] <incubii> i use dos on my media player
[03:21] <gdh> incubii: heh :)
[03:21] <gdh> I guess why > how....
[03:21] <gdh> right, anyway....
[03:21] <gdh> time to fade - nn
[03:21] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I open another irssi for freenode
[03:22] <incubii> damn vegastriek is huge
[03:22] <_ReDRuM_> how do you flick windows quickly in irssi anyhow?
[03:22] <_ReDRuM_> typing /window next is annoying
[03:23] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: hah, metakey+number
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> great. now if they can work a proper nicklist into it maybe ill use it more :)
[03:23] <Tm_T> imho irssi is the most easytouse client
[03:23] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: why you need nicklist?
[03:23] <Tm_T> yes, it's possible
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> dont need just like
[03:23] <Tm_T> ok
[03:24] <Tm_T> I think it's waste of my precious monitor time ;p
[03:24] <incubii> lol
[03:25] <kakalto> I could live with this
[03:25] <kakalto> I didn't used to be a kde man
[03:25] <Tm_T> ah, now I can close this gaim "chat" =)
[03:25] <kakalto> but I am now
[03:25] <Tm_T> heh
[03:25] <kakalto> now my kde looks like my xfce did :D
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> here this is my background
[03:26] <incubii> lol
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> its not for everyone but i like it :)
[03:26] <Tm_T-> thanks
[03:26] <Tm_T-> aint moving
[03:26] <kakalto> Congratulations to the kubuntu team, for making me like kde :D
[03:26] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: send to me
[03:26] <Tm_T-> oh
[03:27] <_ReDRuM_> skills
[03:27] <Tm_T-> heh
[03:27] <Tm_T-> send me
[03:27] <_ReDRuM_> howd you make the default behavoir of windows to be roll up?
[03:27] <kakalto> how do I lock everything in place?
[03:27] <kakalto> so there isn't all those annoying buttons
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: my problem
[03:28] <Tm_T-> kakalto: what buttons?
[03:28] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: roger that
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> DHCP changed my IP and i havent got a crontab to alter the firewall rules yet
[03:29] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: use firestarter?
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> that should work...
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> the firewall isnt my box
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> oops
[03:30] <regeya> the funny thing is, the kubuntu team shipped a fairly clean, unmolested kde.  kde really is that awesome.
[03:31] <regeya> it's just when individual distributors go mucking around with the packages that things go badly
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> theres nothing wrong with the firewall now...
[03:31] <Tm_T-> heh
[03:31] <Latem> Sorry this is a dumb question, but i dont understand the concept of Live CD, where do the config files go?
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> ah there it goes
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[03:32] <Riddell> Latem: which config files?
[03:32] <Tm_T-> Latem: you set them every time again OR save them somewhere else
[03:32] <regeya> hm, guess no kipi plugins in kubuntu stable for a few months, then, eh?
[03:32] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: looked real slick with my ms windows theme, havent got kde to look like that yet but eh... it makes up for it by being more useful
[03:32] <Latem> well I've been loking at the ss of kubuntu, and it was the Live CD, and you still had to do like an install 
[03:32] <Latem> am I correct in saying that?
[03:32] <Latem> maybe it wasn't a Live CD
[03:33] <kakalto> Tm_T-: the little triangle buttons for settings
[03:33] <Tm_T-> gentoo yuk
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> i used Codename Opus theme or something from deviant art in windows that was nice... want it back...
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> or rather i want it on KDE
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> gentoo sucks
[03:33] <Riddell> Latem: yes, you have to set up the language etc
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> its gone from being on all my machines to being on one in about 2 months
[03:34] <Tm_T-> hmm
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> All other distro's suck, that's why we are in this channel :)
[03:34] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[03:34] <Tm_T-> haha
[03:34] <_ReDRuM_> true.
[03:34] <Tm_T-> Debian <3
[03:34] <kakalto> how do I get rid of all those annoying triangle buttons for settings?
[03:34] <Tm_T-> I wait my ubuntu shipping =)
[03:34] <kakalto> little bars, with a triangle at the top, I mean
[03:35] <Latem> is apt system similar to MDL's urpmi, you have to setup mirrors and such?
[03:35] <Latem> MDK's*
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> Latem: pretty much.
[03:35] <Tm_T-> kakalto: I don't get what you mean
[03:35] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: want anymore random backgrouns?
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> Latem: only it's better.
[03:35] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: why not
[03:35] <Latem> os is there something like easyurpmi for apt?
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> Latem: I used mandrake for about 6 or so years.
[03:35] <Latem> where it lists all the mirrors
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> Latem: you don't need it - unlike mandrake mirrors ubunutu's usually stay online and are current.
[03:36] <Tm_T-> yep
[03:36] <Tm_T-> local mirror in use
[03:36] <Latem> uhh, im sorry but I dont get that
[03:36] <Latem> lets say u want to isntall app X, how does it know from where to get it?
[03:36] <kakalto> Tm_T-: do you need a screenshot?
[03:36] <Latem> if u dont set up mirrors
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> Latem: from the mirror listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <Tm_T-> kakalto: it would help
[03:37] <kakalto> Tm_T-: give me a few moments to find the screenshot app
[03:37] <loren> i have 250+ wallpapers
[03:37] <loren> on my site
[03:37] <Latem> is it possible to browse mirros thru a broswer
[03:37] <Latem> are they just like http: or ftp mirrors
[03:37] <Latem> ?
[03:37] <_ReDRuM_> dont want anymore tm? :P
[03:37] <Tm_T-> kakalto: sleep 10; import -window root capture.png ;)
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> Latem: both.
[03:37] <Latem> can u give me and address of one please?
[03:38] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: send if you like
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> Latem: like urpmi, apt can handle many different types of urls.
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> naw
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> sall good.
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[03:38] <Tm_T-> us?!
[03:38] <Latem> thanks dude
[03:38] <Tm_T-> ] ;=
[03:38] <Tm_T-> fi here o/
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T-: I imagine there's an fi eh.?
[03:39] <Tm_T-> yes there is
[03:39] <Tm_T-> are
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> another bug in kde
[03:39] <Tm_T-> bah
[03:39] <kakalto> Tm_T-: the thing the mouse is hovering over
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> if you have two of those windows rolling down it wont keep rolling the second one down instead screws up flicking around with what has focus
[03:39] <kakalto> err
[03:39] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: 04:39 DCC can't connect ...
[03:39] <kakalto> did the mouse get caugt in the snapshot?
[03:39] <kakalto> :(
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> oo spooky... vanishing window
[03:40] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: didnt think you wanted anymore files?
[03:40] <Tm_T-> kakalto: not in that command I gave
[03:40] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: send please
[03:40] <Tm_T-> kakalto: oh it was you who's send didn't work
[03:41] <kakalto> Tm_T-: I'll put it up on photobucket
[03:41] <Tm_T-> roger that
[03:41] <_ReDRuM_> bah
[03:41] <_ReDRuM_> konversations all screwed up with dcc
[03:42] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: irssi ;) ;)
[03:42] <Latem> so it looks like the packages are kept pretty recent
[03:42] <_ReDRuM_> can you drag files into irssi window to send?
[03:42] <Tm_T-> I've got four irssi running =)
[03:42] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: no
[03:42] <Tm_T-> because it's not X app
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: apparently neither can konversation :)
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: rofl
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> it does now it was only misbehaving
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> keeps ports open too long
[03:43] <Tm_T-> hah
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> and ive only got one forwarded
[03:43] <kakalto> Tm_T-: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Kakalto/Screenshots/snapshot1.png
[03:43] <Tm_T-> irc doesn't need graphics ;)
[03:44] <Latem> so whats used for configuring the system in kubuntu, KCotrolCenter?
[03:44] <Latem> KControlCenter*
[03:44] <Tm_T-> kakalto: yes!
[03:44] <kakalto> how do I remove them?
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T-: what do you think of that last one? :)
[03:44] <Tm_T-> kakalto: you can hide those totally or just fade them out
[03:44] <kakalto> hide them totally, please
[03:44] <kakalto> actually
[03:45] <kakalto> no, fade them out
[03:45] <_ReDRuM_> i couldnt work out if they were parrots or penguins
[03:45] <_ReDRuM_> think theyre supposed to be parrots but they look like penguins to me
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> http://home.skycon.net/~junfan/snapshot1.png
[03:45] <Latem> thats a fency looking desktop
[03:46] <Tm_T-> kakalto: configure panel -> Appearance -> advanced -> ...
[03:46] <Latem> im definitly gonna try kubuntu Live next week
[03:46] <_ReDRuM_> lol@pic
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> I got a guy at work that thinks my laptop is community property. :)
[03:46] <Tm_T-> kakalto: basic ;)
[03:47] <Tm_T-> _ReDRuM_: I check those pics now
[03:47] <kakalto> thanks
[03:47] <kakalto> I suppose the little triangle under the K menu is unremovable?
[03:47] <Latem> so conceptually is universe == contrib in urpmi?
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> Latem: not really. Multiverse is more like contrib.
[03:48] <Tm_T-> kakalto: it shows that it's menu
[03:48] <Latem> whats restricted?
[03:48] <_ReDRuM_> latern: nvidia/ati video drivers
[03:49] <LeeJunFan> Latem: stuff that's not really considerd free.
[03:49] <Latem> is that == plf type
[03:49] <Latem> ok
[03:49] <Tm_T-> uh
[03:49] <LeeJunFan> Latem: like binary only video drivers, etc.
[03:49] <Tm_T-> Jehtro Tull - We Used To Know
[03:49] <Tm_T-> <3
[03:49] <Latem> what version of akregator comes w/ Kubuntu?
[03:49] <Tm_T-> let's wake up neighbours ] ;=
[03:50] <Tm_T-> Latem: 1.0 says mine
[03:50] <kakalto> how do I change which comes up at startup, gdm or kdm?
[03:50] <Latem> cool
[03:50] <kakalto> and how do I add fonts like verdana?
[03:50] <Tm_T-> kakalto: removing gdm ;p
[03:51] <kakalto> Tm_T-: not quite an option.
[03:51] <Tm_T-> haha
[03:51] <kakalto> although gnome doesn even log in
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[03:51] <kakalto> thanks
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: that's just an educated guess :) I don't have gdm here. :)
[03:52] <kakalto> not qite
[03:53] <kakalto> I think you are on the right track though
[03:53] <Tm_T-> why use two managers
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: are you sure you have both installed?
[03:53] <kakalto> yes
[03:53] <Tm_T-> _correctly_ ?
[03:53] <kakalto> I installed ubuntu, then kubuntu-desktop
[03:53] <Tm_T-> then it should be =)
[03:53] <kakalto> but I found out how to change it
[03:54] <Tm_T-> how?
[03:54] <kakalto> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[03:54] <Tm_T-> ofcourse
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> That's what we tried to tell you.
[03:54] <kakalto> :P
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> Next time listen. :) heheh
[03:54] <Tm_T-> btw who use separate root user ?
[03:54] <kakalto> anyways, how do I set up japanese input support?
[03:55] <Tm_T-> hmm, that wasn't right way to put that out
[03:55] <Tm_T-> anyway I hate do sudo all the time
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T-: I setup root passwd so I could use things like cups http config, and swat.
[03:56] <Tm_T-> so I have separate virtual desktop for root shell & other root admin stuff =)
[03:56] <Tm_T-> yes
[03:57] <Tm_T-> who use torsmo ? 
[03:57] <Tm_T-> o/
[03:58] <Tm_T-> that's why I don't have any desktop icons because torsmo runs over them =)
[03:58] <kakalto> why isnt there a quote key?
[03:58] <kakalto> whats with this key layoutt
[03:58] <Tm_T-> what?
[03:58] <kakalto> when I type things like isnt, theres no apostraphe
[03:59] <Tm_T-> hmm, check your keymap
[03:59] <Tm_T-> from Control Centre
[03:59] <kakalto> fdsjga
[03:59] <Tm_T-> 
[03:59] <kakalto> ack
[03:59] <Tm_T-> ;p
[03:59] <kakalto> doesn work
[03:59] <Tm_T-> btw di my letters appear right?
[03:59] <Tm_T-> +d
[04:00] <kakalto> uhh
[04:00] <kakalto> no idea
[04:00] <Tm_T-> I mean these: 
[04:00] <Tm_T-> heh
[04:00] <_ReDRuM_> likewise
[04:00] <_ReDRuM_> sudo got deleted
[04:01] <Tm_T-> heh
[04:01] <Tm_T-> removed you mean?
[04:01] <_ReDRuM_> whats the difference?
[04:01] <Tm_T-> rm ;)
[04:01] <Tm_T-> del remind me about windows
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> it's just a word
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> but hey if it scares you :)
[04:02] <Tm_T-> just joking ;)
[04:02] <Tm_T> ah, there's nothing better than being myself
[04:03] <Tm_T> I mean ...
[04:03] <_ReDRuM_> oooh i dunno
[04:03] <incubii> lol
[04:03] <Tm_T> did I sound narsistic?
[04:03] <jesus> hello I am currently using Ubuntu Horay and want to install kubuntu I already know how to updgrade. My question is this. Once I install kubuntu-desktop can I remove all the Ubuntu desktop files?
[04:03] <Tm_T> jesus: yes
[04:03] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: no, not really.
[04:04] <Tm_T> just apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:04] <jesus> yes
[04:04] <Tm_T> I don't have it
[04:04] <Tm_T> afaik
[04:04] <Tm_T> you can try =)
[04:04] <_ReDRuM_> jesus - i dont see why what tim said wouldnt work
[04:04] <_ReDRuM_> tm even
[04:04] <Tm_T> heh
[04:05] <jesus> I dont care about all those ugly gnome apps so I dont care if i lose em. Thanks
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> also apt-get install deborphan
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> then run it when your dun
[04:05] <Tm_T> yes
[04:05] <jesus> gnome is ugly, reminds me of windows classic
[04:05] <Tm_T> haha
[04:05] <Tm_T> windows 2.0 was ok
[04:05] <jesus> :s
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> you never used windows 2
[04:06] <Tm_T> I do use Windows for workgroups in my laptop
[04:06] <Tm_T> 3.11
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i can believe that.
[04:06] <jesus> Well Thank you guys for your hard work in the development of kubuntu :D
[04:06] <Tm_T> dos 3.2 <3
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> heh i used the windows before 3.11
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> 3.11 = windows for workgroups
[04:06] <Tm_T> yes
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> there was something else in the 3 series
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> i used that first
[04:07] <Tm_T> 3.1
[04:07] <Tm_T> and 3.1
[04:07] <Tm_T> 3.0 I mean
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> i hated it
[04:07] <Tm_T> old mtx was great!
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> only installed it cause i accidently trashed OS/2 and the company wanted to charge 100 for replacement CD
[04:08] <kakalto> what's kde's text editor?
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: take your pick, kate is the "most official" i think
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> I went from years of amiga to windows 95, hated it within 2 months and went to linux. :)
[04:08] <Tm_T> http://www.retromadness.com/memotech/
[04:08] <kakalto> thanks
[04:08] <Tm_T> ahh, those old good times
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: np, its also the best of the kde editors
[04:08] <Tm_T> kakalto: kedit is better ;)
[04:08] <Tm_T> nut Nano <3<3
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> kedit is more simplistic than kate
[04:09] <Tm_T> but
[04:09] <Tm_T> jep
[04:09] <Tm_T> nano is best
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: vi.
[04:09] <kakalto> kate doesn't work
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> vi > *
[04:09] <kakalto> so I'll assume kedit is better
[04:09] <Tm_T> vi :/
[04:09] <Tm_T> kakalto: haha
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: lol
[04:10] <Tm_T> hereill?
[04:10] <Tm_T> hups, wrong irssi ;p
[04:10] <regeya> !
[04:11] <Tm_T> hmm, theres no operators?
[04:11] <kakalto> what is a good text-editor in kde that works?
[04:11] <Tm_T> kakalto: nano
[04:11] <kakalto> not kedit, it's not default
[04:11] <incubii> any idea why KDE sits on "system services" for ages when loading up then nothing but background for another 5 mins b4 it pops up ?
[04:11] <kakalto> of course
[04:11] <kakalto> nano's always good
[04:11] <Tm_T> yes =)
[04:11] <incubii> kate is nice
[04:11] <Tm_T> nah
[04:11] <Tm_T> who needs kandy to writing ;p
[04:11] <incubii> it is if you want syntax
[04:11] <Tm_T> candy even
[04:12] <kakalto> how do I enable multiverse?
[04:12] <kakalto> it's not in the sources.list
[04:12] <Tm_T> blah, it's hard to write foreign language
[04:12] <incubii> just type multiverse after universe
[04:12] <Tm_T> multiverse?
[04:12] <incubii> multiverse = non-free
[04:13] <Tm_T> ok
[04:13] <kakalto> what's that thing...
[04:13] <kakalto> qt gtk thing
[04:13] <kakalto> for making qt display gtk things like its own?
[04:13] <Tm_T> heh
[04:14] <kakalto> ?
[04:14] <Tm_T> kakalto: you're new linux user?
[04:14] <kakalto> fairly new, yeah
[04:14] <Tm_T> ok
[04:15] <kakalto> I mean, I've been through a gentoo install, which is why I'm not a complete n00b
[04:15] <Tm_T> heh
[04:15] <Tm_T> if you're here you're not n00b ;)
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> gtk-engines-qt
[04:16] <kakalto> just that?
[04:16] <kakalto> 'cause that's not here
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> hrm.
[04:16] <kakalto> gtk-engines-qtpixmap?
[04:16] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: heh.
[04:16] <Tm_T> muah
[04:16] <_ReDRuM_> gentoo is a sprawling mess :P
[04:16] <kakalto> hehe
[04:16] <kakalto> absolutely
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: that should put the option in your kde kcontrol look&feel to turn on that stuff.
[04:17] <Tm_T> some like doing everything by themself, some prefer wellmade ;)
[04:17] <_ReDRuM_> which do you prefer tm?
[04:17] <siimo> how to pronounce ? ku-buntu or k-ubuntu
[04:17] <Tm_T> siimo: kubuntu
[04:17] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: gtk2-engines-q
[04:17] <kakalto> why does kynaptic ask for the cd?
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> gtk2-engines-qtpixmap
[04:17] <kakalto> thought so
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: cause its a bug, you can repair it by typing apt-get kpackage :P
[04:18] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: it depends
[04:19] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: dont like to give your opinion? :)
[04:20] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: well, I like do some things by myself
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: perhaps there is no difference, if you want a job done well...
[04:20] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: so we've heard. :)
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> as the old adage goes
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: lol.
[04:20] <Tm_T> heh
[04:20] <kakalto> if I do apt-get uninstall ubuntu-desktop, will it remove GIMP?
[04:21] <_ReDRuM_> kakalto: it will tell you what it will remove
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> kakalto: it should tell you what it's going to remove. I don't think gimp depends on gnome - only gtk.
[04:21] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: what!? you're spying me!!?
[04:21] <kakalto> uhk
[04:21] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: no that's the CIA
[04:21] <Tm_T> of course!
[04:21] <_ReDRuM_> they're after your movie collection
[04:21] <Tm_T> haha
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/riaa-jpg.html
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> Or maybe your human finger collection.
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> that riaa guy in here the other day was funny
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> scanning everyones hds
[04:22] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: my own ten fingers?
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> Them's the ones.
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> who would have thought they hired hackers
[04:22] <_ReDRuM_> it's got to be barely legal...
[04:23] <kakalto> they do what they want
[04:23] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: hah, I don't have pirate stuff, I'm clean =)
[04:23] <Kortor> hi
[04:23] <Tm_T> hi
[04:23] <_ReDRuM_> RIAA: did you see that? :)
[04:23] <Tm_T> morjensta siis
[04:23] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:23] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Did you end up setting position to remove borders etc?
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> If I had a dime for every time I heard that I wouldn't have to download my music! haha
[04:24] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: naw couldnt work it out :/
[04:24] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: lol
[04:24] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: btw how he scan hd if you have well set firewall?
[04:24] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: You need to set position to negative
[04:24] <kakalto> how long has kynaptic been around?
[04:24] <Tm_T> a while 
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> no effect...
[04:25] <kakalto> a small while?
[04:25] <Tm_T> kpackage is maybe better
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> kpackage is definately better
[04:25] <Tm_T> and synaptic works fine too ;)
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> and will serve you well until you find your just using apt cause its  faster
[04:25] <Tm_T> yes
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: social engineering. They tell you to run this command to speed up your computer: ls -R / | mutt -x riaa@riaa.com
[04:25] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: You set the left/right one to something about -6, just enough to remove the border, then set the width of it to resolution width + 2|your negative number|
[04:25] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: hahaha
[04:25] <incubii> there was someone in here pretending to be RIAA ?
[04:26] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: And that gets rid of the left and right borders. Then to get rid of the top its like about -25.
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: you didn't know about them?
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: hmm.
[04:26] <incubii> no ,lol
[04:27] <incubii> i always seem to attract the people pretending to be FBI
[04:27] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: it hates me.
[04:27] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: gotta be stupid to run such commands =)
[04:27] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: It would change depending on your windeco, windeco border size, and resolution
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> incubii: I always seem to attract the real ones.
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:27] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: I was using AKDC Corona when I did this and I think position was -6,-32
[04:27] <Tm_T> I'm enough scary by myself ;=
[04:27] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: it just doesnt like it i think maybe cause i use icewm or because im too foolish to work it out, either way it hates me
[04:28] <incubii> lol
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: yeah, then they tell you after that's done to run mkfs.swap /dev/hda
[04:28] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Strange.
[04:28] <Tm_T> haha
[04:28] <incubii> well we are using that hacking tool called linux
[04:28] <kakalto> how do I get japanese input working?
[04:28] <incubii> we cant be trusted cause we dont pay for out software
[04:28] <incubii> ;)
[04:29] <incubii> lol
[04:29] <Kortor> hey narg
[04:29] <_ReDRuM_> whos joking? :)
[04:29] <Tm_T> incubii: I do, it's good to give something ;)
[04:29] <Kortor> narg, check aim
[04:29] <Tm_T> haha
[04:29] <Kortor> or ill stab you
[04:29] <LeeJunFan> bah, I pay just as much for my internet to download illegal music as the next guy. I'm not a total bum.
[04:29] <incubii> i got banned from the college network i was at for nmapping everyone
[04:29] <incubii> the admin didnt understand what i was doing
[04:29] <Tm_T> haha
[04:29] <_ReDRuM_> what, hacking? :)
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> incubii: yeah, and he's an "admin"
[04:30] <incubii> fingerprinting systems :P
[04:30] <Tm_T> incubii: some universities in here have their own irc servers ;)
[04:30] <incubii> i wanted to know what the servers were
[04:30] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:30] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: did you find out?
[04:30] <incubii> yeah
[04:30] <incubii> i was disapointed
[04:30] <Tm_T> hmm, how about homecountry gallup?
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: just blame it on someone else. spoofing, etc.. - wasn't me! prove it. hehe
[04:31] <Kortor> Okay, noone laugh... what is nmapping?
[04:31] <kakalto> is firefox based on gtk?
[04:31] <incubii> windows 2000 - pre service packs
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: i got banned from computers at school for cracking the network....
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> those old windows 3.11 machines
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> and their cached passwords
[04:31] <Tm_T> haha
[04:31] <incubii> lol
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: I got kicked out of the library when I was about 15 for making the commodore 64 go into a fart-frenzy.
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: new windows is no better, just fire up cain...
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: hehe
[04:31] <incubii> i got in trouble for cracking the admin password
[04:31] <incubii> :d
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: for a whole year!
[04:31] <Kortor> Oh god, the computers at my school have awful security
[04:32] <incubii> :not that it was needed anyway
[04:32] <Kortor> They don't even restrict command prompt
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: yeah, I'm old.
[04:32] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: mmm i had a c64 so your what... 29?
[04:32] <Tm_T> I'm old too
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: 32
[04:32] <Tm_T> way too old ;)
[04:32] <incubii> i find if i mention tools i use people tend not to trust me as much
[04:32] <Kortor> And they tried to restric Control Panel by making it so you can't go in...
[04:33] <incubii> lol control panel
[04:33] <incubii> people never restrict the help service
[04:33] <Kortor> You just go into My Computer and click this little link Network & Internet Settings
[04:33] <Tm_T> I hate "lol"
[04:33] <incubii> you can launch command prompt from it
[04:33] <Kortor> because most people in my school are too stupid to do dangerous stuff
[04:33] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: give me another pair?
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> you're alrite for an old man :)
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> I wrote a war dialer for C64, tried to find my schools computer, instead found an unprotected telco RTU, used it for years without a problem screw up one satellite dish and knock out 1-800 long distance and get visited :)
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> hahahahaha
[04:33] <Kortor> so they just restrict Control Panel to keep people from changing the Desktop Appearance
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> screw up a satalite dish
[04:33] <Tm_T> Kortor: nice =)
[04:34] <_ReDRuM_> back in the wild west of information tech
[04:34] <incubii> tried to turn it into a death ray did you ?
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: yeah, I accidentally re-aligned it. oops.
[04:34] <incubii> "feels all warm and fuzzy"
[04:34] <Tm_T> haha
[04:34] <Kortor> most people in my school are like deathly afraid of the command prompt ("It has no colors! And isn't user friendly! EWwww!", and I'm trying to convince this one person to format C: cause he doesn't know what it is
[04:34] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: i never got caught
[04:35] <_ReDRuM_> im younger than you so i missed the war dialing
[04:35] <Kortor> im trying to convince him itll speed up the computer and the teachers will give him extra credit
[04:35] <incubii> lol
[04:35] <_ReDRuM_> but i was around when there were 10,000 web pages on the web :)
[04:35] <Tm_T> Kortor: old joke to tell people "Format c:" ;p
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: yeah, I wouldn't dare do it now, too many laws regarding telephone.
[04:35] <Kortor> Tm_T: But it's someone who might actually do it.
[04:36] <Tm_T> Kortor: too many are
[04:36] <Tm_T> why people doesn't learn use their tools
[04:36] <Tm_T> little studying and all works mutch easier
[04:36] <incubii> rd /s /q c:\*.*
[04:36] <incubii> ;)
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: here we go again. We all already know you know how to use yours :)
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: enough already.
[04:36] <Kortor> I should run my bootable Knoppix at school, it gives me complete access to all files.
[04:36] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: wank? ;)
[04:37] <incubii> lol they banned me from using knoppix kortor
[04:37] <Tm_T> haha
[04:37] <Kortor> haha
[04:37] <incubii> so i use Barts PE now
[04:37] <incubii> :D
[04:37] <Tm_T> incubii: memorystickboot ;)
[04:37] <Kortor> incubii: none of the teachers in my school would know what it was. not even the compsci teacher
[04:38] <Kortor> incubii: I have a sneaking suspicion the only language he knows is a teensy bit of visual basic
[04:38] <incubii> hehe
[04:38] <Tm_T> haha
[04:38] <Tm_T> basic <3
[04:38] <Tm_T> vb :/
[04:39] <Kortor> vb !<3
[04:39] <Tm_T> I hate vb
[04:39] <Kortor> don't we all
[04:39] <Tm_T> =)
[04:40] <Tm_T> maybe I'll study some C++ in summer
[04:40] <Kortor> the sad part is that's what they teach us in compsci
[04:40] <Kortor> which made me want to stab the teacher
[04:40] <Tm_T> well?
[04:40] <regeya> oh, but you could compromise network security, or something ;-)
[04:40] <regeya> what sort of mickey mouse operation is this?
[04:40] <Tm_T> th
[04:41] <regeya> VB!
[04:41] <Tm_T> puhusit siekki turkkuses
[04:41] <Tm_T> ;p
[04:44] <Tm_T> what time it is?
[04:44] <Kortor> 9:45!
[04:44] <Tm_T> 05:44 says my client =)
[04:45] <Tm_T> so Good morning everyone! :)
[04:45] <Kortor> good morning america
[04:45] <Kortor> except you're not in america
[04:47] <Kortor> make install -not war
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> make love not clean
[04:47] <Kortor> You know, I've heard people say KDE has everything but the kitchen sink, so I checked... and it DOES have the kitchensync!
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> Kortor: :D
[04:48] <Kortor> LeeJunFan: :D
[04:48] <siimo> wheres everyones screenshots people :P
[04:48] <Kortor> somewhere on lynucs
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> wheres the kitchensync?
[04:48] <Kortor> :P
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> http://home.skycon.net/~junfan/snapshot1.png
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> ive got to have it
[04:49] <Kortor> apt-get install kintchensync
[04:49] <Kortor> :P
[04:49] <Kortor> apt-get install kitchensync
[04:49] <_ReDRuM_> oh yeh.. tired :)
[04:49] <_ReDRuM_> tjhanks
[04:50] <Kortor> mutter
[04:50] <siimo> cool
[04:50] <_ReDRuM_> is that the gun pic?
[04:50] <Tm_T> haha
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: yeah.
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: that's my windows removal tool.
[04:51] <Tm_T> "hey, i got that url in my cache"
[04:51] <Kortor> LeeJunFan: what display manager is that
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> Kortor: kdm.
[04:51] <kakalto> how do I get konqueror to display flash stuff?
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> the alien is a nice touch
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> Kortor: if you want the default kdm like mine you need to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and turn off theme
[04:52] <Kortor> LeeJunFan: Ah.
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: that's me! not an alien.
[04:52] <Tm_T> haha
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: oh, hehe. 
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:54] <Tm_T> hmm, should I stick here
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: have you done the kde hatchet trick yet?
[04:54] <Tm_T> what?
[04:55] <Kortor> what is the kde hatchet trick?
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> the one where you type that string into the console..
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> sec
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> `echo -e '\x65\x78\x70\x6f\x72\x74\x20\x50\x53\x31\x3d\x22\x6e\x30\x30\x62\x22\x0a'`
[04:55] <kakalto> anyone?
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> yeh thats the one
[04:55] <Tm_T> kakalto: you installed flash stuff?
[04:55] <kakalto> no, I want to
[04:55] <Kortor> and what does it do?
[04:56] <Kortor> make a hatchet?
[04:56] <Tm_T> what is hatchet ?
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: nothing interesting :)
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: the hatchet
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> you know
[04:56] <Tm_T> no I don't =)
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[04:56] <kakalto> Tm_T: how do I?
[04:56] <Tm_T> sorry I'm not english
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> yeah your finnish :P
[04:57] <Tm_T> yes
[04:57] <Tm_T> finished
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> heh finland is alrite
[04:57] <Tm_T> Suomi perrrkele
[04:57] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> i used to know a girl from i think its called Helsinki?
[04:57] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: yse, our capital city
[04:57] <Tm_T> yes
[04:58] <_ReDRuM_> ah
[04:58] <Tm_T> I live about 150km from russia
[04:58] <_ReDRuM_> scarey :)
[04:58] <Tm_T> not
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> i keep hearing rumors russia is run by the mob :)
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: other way around.
[04:59] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: old news
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> russia runs the mob?
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> thats even worse :)
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: here in the states.
[04:59] <Tm_T> russian mafia works all around europe
[04:59] <Tm_T> nice i think =)
[05:00] <Tm_T> NOT!
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> Nyet!
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> Privet!
[05:00] <Tm_T> heh
[05:00] <Tm_T> nada
[05:00] <Tm_T> njet
[05:00] <LeeJunFan> I live about 30 mins from the head of the Michigan Malitia.
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> does finland have cheap broadband like sweden?
[05:00] <incubii> lol at hatchet trick
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: :P:P
[05:00] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: what is cheap ?
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: cheap costs little money
[05:01] <Tm_T> my 2M/512 costs 40-50 euro at month
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> whats the price for 100mbit in finland?
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> eh not too bad
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: not cheap though.
[05:02] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: you can't have 100mbit to home =)
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> no its not
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: wanna bet?
[05:02] <Tm_T> no here
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13266
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> not here either
[05:02] <Tm_T> our web server does have 100mbit net =)
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> sweden
[05:03] <Tm_T> room enough to irc \o/
[05:03] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I know
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> they get rediculous bandwidth
[05:03] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: but there goverment paid building of net
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: what 100mbit dedicated unmetered or burstable?
[05:03] <Tm_T> taxes etc
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> hrm. I hear my neighbor running a front end loader.
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> wtfs a front end loader?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> It's 11pm here, he must be getting a quick divorce.
[05:04] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: oh, dedicated?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: something to dig and bury things with. A tractor with a scoop.
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> ahh
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> mechanical digger
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> jcb
[05:05] <Tm_T> yes
[05:05] <_ReDRuM_> we call em jcb's here
[05:05] <Tm_T> Kaivuri o/
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: where is "here"? And what's jcb stand for?
[05:06] <Tm_T> oh what a headache
[05:06] <benJIman> yeah jcbs
[05:06] <Tm_T> maybe last whiskey was too much =)
[05:07] <Kortor> Bredbandsbolaget will cap downloads to 300GB as part of the service it's offering.
[05:07] <Kortor> oh that's so sad
[05:07] <Kortor> I doubt anyone will EVER be downloading a 300GB file
[05:07] <Tm_T> haha
[05:07] <Tm_T> Kortor: I bet it means a month
[05:07] <Tm_T> monthly limit
[05:07] <Kortor> Tm_T: Meh. :P Still!
[05:07] <Tm_T> Kortor: easily
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: england
[05:08] <Kortor> Tm_T: Unless you monthly deleted your /porn folder...!
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: still - wtf would you do with 300GB a month? stream DVD's maybe, you couldn't buy HD's fast enough to save shit.
[05:08] <_ReDRuM_> JCB stands for some welsh words jack cawdi bour is how its pronounced and i cant for the life of me remember what it means
[05:08] <Tm_T> hmm, 2G a month is enough to me =)
[05:08] <Kortor> well, in my case, its my /pr0n folder!
[05:08] <Tm_T> haha
[05:08] <_ReDRuM_> most people in england dont know that - it's just a JCB :)
[05:08] <Tm_T> I don't even have movies/porn in my computers =)
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> JayCeeBee
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: uhuh.
[05:09] <Tm_T> why should I
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> uhuh.
[05:09] <Kortor> Tm_T: Because you're a linux user.
[05:09] <Tm_T> Kortor: plah
[05:09] <Kortor> Tm_T: #define linux_user virgin
[05:10] <Tm_T> Here's a reveal: I don't watch anime :p
[05:10] <Kortor> Nor do i
[05:10] <Kortor> Anime is so stupid
[05:10] <Tm_T> haha
[05:10] <Kortor> Hentai is even worse
[05:10] <incubii> lol hentai
[05:10] <Tm_T> I hate "lol"
[05:10] <Kortor> I gate "dad"
[05:10] <Kortor> jk
[05:11] <Tm_T> haha
[05:11] <Kortor> er... hate
[05:11] <dad> lol
[05:11] <Kortor> see, I started to say 'I hate "humans"'
[05:11] <Tm_T> aergh
[05:11] <Kortor> then dad came in
[05:11] <Kortor> and I couldn't resist
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: send him to bed.
[05:11] <dad> what are you kids doing in here? lol
[05:11] <Tm_T> you make me laugh =)
[05:11] <Kortor> dad, get to bed
[05:11] <Kortor> or your grounded
[05:11] <Kortor> for a month
[05:11] <Tm_T> dad: stop using "lol" !
[05:11] <dad> lol
[05:11] <Kortor> no linux for you!
[05:12] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[05:12] <Tm_T> oh, thanks
[05:12] <dad> sorry 
[05:12] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[05:12] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:12] <Kortor> !!
[05:12] <_ReDRuM_> hi... er... dad :)
[05:12] <dad> oh i like that
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> Slap your own penguin all you want, but keep your damn hands off mine!
[05:13] <Kortor> er...
[05:13] <Tm_T> nam
[05:13] <Kortor> my client put those quotation marks in
[05:13] <Tm_T> spank me please?
[05:13] <Kortor> I swear!
[05:13] <Tm_T> haha
[05:14] <Tm_T> Kortor: you're not helping yourself
[05:14] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: american? :)
[05:14] <Kortor> Somehow I have a replacement thing set up to replace hotdog with "hotdog"... wiener with "wiener"... clock with cock... wtf
[05:14] <Kortor> that's weird
[05:14] <Kortor> I never did that
[05:14] <Tm_T> plah
[05:14] <Tm_T> I'll kick your ass
[05:15] <Tm_T> but noly IF you don't like it
[05:15] <Tm_T> only
[05:15] <Kortor> I do... so don't!
[05:15] <Tm_T> ok then ;)
[05:15] <_ReDRuM_> dad: sort them out
[05:15] <Tm_T> wh
[05:16] <dad> i will spank them and out them to bed!
[05:16] <dad> put i mean
[05:16] <_ReDRuM_> how did this room turn into yahoo :)
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> dammit, did I join the Michael Jackson channel by accident?
[05:16] <Kortor> when dad came in
[05:17] <dad> hey
[05:17] <brazmetal> hey how can I upgrade to Kubunto final?
[05:17] <Kortor> :P
[05:17] <dad> lol
[05:17] <brazmetal> I'm usind the RC one
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> brazmetal: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:17] <brazmetal> LeeJunFan: does it work the same way downloading the ISO ?
[05:18] <dad> I installed ubuntu for the first time today. It is freakin' great!
[05:18] <Kortor> I installed kubuntu yesterday but havent gotten a chance to use it. :(
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> brazmetal: no- apt will download any changes from the repositories and install them to bring you up to date.
[05:18] <Kortor> wont till monday
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> brazmetal: if you install from iso it means starting over.
[05:19] <dad> runs fast on my laptop
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> dad - yeh its pretty slick
[05:19] <Kortor> k/ubuntu > debian
[05:19] <Tm_T> hm
[05:19] <Kortor> kubuntu <3
[05:19] <Tm_T> debian <3
[05:19] <brazmetal> LeeJunFan: are there differences btw the 2 ways?
[05:19] <Kortor> ewww
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> by slick i mean the first free desktop OS that isnt source based that worked on my PC without me having to faff about
[05:19] <Kortor> my debian sid was slow
[05:20] <Kortor> but that's because a i fubarded it trying to get my drivers working
[05:20] <Tm_T> Kortor: debian testing is great in server use
[05:20] <Kortor> Tm_T: can I AFFORD a server? no! :P
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> brazmetal: if you have already installed kubuntu then apt is the way to go to update what you have. The iso would be for re-installing.
[05:20] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: funny, our local debian guru told me debian testing was the WORST of the three branches to use on debian for server ues :)
[05:20] <Tm_T> Kortor: my server: p200/64Mt ram ;p
[05:20] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: depends what kind of server
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> Preferably one that works.
[05:21] <Tm_T> my server is only for irssi ;p
[05:21] <_ReDRuM_> you have a 100mbit for irssi?
[05:21] <Tm_T> not
[05:21] <Tm_T> our webserver is other
[05:21] <Kortor> Tm_T: I couldn't afford that
[05:22] <_ReDRuM_> oh right.
[05:22] <Tm_T> Kortor: me neither alone
[05:22] <Tm_T> Kortor: we have community who have that webserver
[05:22] <Tm_T> actually serverS
[05:23] <Tm_T> today we take new main server in use
[05:23] <Kortor> noice
[05:23] <Kortor> peer
[05:23] <Kortor> * ubuntu (~ubuntu@200.97.139.219) has joined #kubuntu
[05:23] <Kortor> lol
[05:24] <Tm_T> hah
[05:24] <Tm_T> HP Proliant DL380G4-server (2 x 3,4 GHz Xeon, 2 GB DDR2, SCSI-RAID)
[05:24] <Tm_T> nice box =)
[05:24] <Tm_T> cost 5-6ke
[05:25] <Tm_T> but have over 400 users
[05:25] <_ReDRuM_> doing what?
[05:25] <Tm_T> www and mail and so on
[05:25] <Tm_T> all what it need to do
[05:26] <Tm_T> we have 3(?) nameservers all around our country
[05:26] <Tm_T> and other webserver too =)
[05:26] <_ReDRuM_> cool.
[05:26] <Tm_T> yes
[05:26] <Tm_T> and cheap to us users
[05:27] <Tm_T> 30e/year
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> how much GB transfer?
[05:27] <Tm_T> and all webhosting included
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> how many gigabytes a month web transfer?
[05:27] <Tm_T> hmm, not restricted atm
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> interesting
[05:27] <Tm_T> yes
[05:28] <_ReDRuM_> whats the companies web page?
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> wow, let's host a pr0n site!
[05:28] <_ReDRuM_> leejunfan : great minds :D
[05:28] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: no can do, if you're not finnish ;p
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: well, you're gonna help!
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:28] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: not company, community
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> Thanks for volunteering!
[05:28] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: bhah, yeah rright
[05:29] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: www.kapsi.fi
[05:29] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I check if we have some info in english
[05:30] <Tm_T> haha
[05:30] <_ReDRuM_> who is Ville Skogberg?
[05:30] <_ReDRuM_> what does Kapsi mean?
[05:31] <Tm_T> kahvi & pepsi
[05:31] <Tm_T> coffee and pepsi I mean
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> YUCK!
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> you drink that?
[05:31] <Tm_T> it's joke =)
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> good!
[05:31] <Tm_T> some of us tried in their youth
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> kde and apsi whatever apsi is. :)
[05:31] <dad> yes pepsi is a joke
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> lol@lee
[05:32] <Tm_T> dad: I agree =)
[05:32] <_ReDRuM_> its a mytyped aspi ? :)
[05:32] <Tm_T> haha
[05:32] <Tm_T> typoxiit
[05:34] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I did mistake when I didn't opened irssi inside screen =)
[05:34] <dougsk> before i start the download process again can anyone verify the md5sum posted matches the x86 kubuntu install iso, thanks
[05:35] <Tm_T> dougsk: you can't?
[05:35] <dougsk> I know my md5sum doesn't match the sites
[05:35] <brazmetal> is there someone from brazil here?
[05:35] <Tm_T> ok then
[05:36] <_ReDRuM_> i didnt even bother checking mine
[05:36] <dad> I never do
[05:37] <_ReDRuM_> dad: i do on servers, its pure lazyness not doing it regularly on the desktop
[05:37] <_ReDRuM_> cause i login to them from here
[05:37] <_ReDRuM_> but there ya go
[05:37] <dad> I like to live on the edge!
[05:37] <_ReDRuM_> all my base are belong to caledenera corp or whatever theyre called
[05:38] <Tm_T> heh
[05:38] <Tm_T> all my base... oh, I don't have any bases
[05:39] <_ReDRuM_> Canonical Ltd. That's the badgers.
[05:39] <_ReDRuM_> K I'm off to bed nite folks :)
[05:40] <Tm_T> heh
[05:40] <Tm_T> and here sun is rising
[05:40] <smouche> on a completely trivial note -- am I the only person who wishes kde and kubuntu had a less idiotic looking mascot?
[05:41] <dad> 9:40 pm here
[05:41] <Tm_T> smouche: you mean that rdagon?
[05:41] <Tm_T> *dragon
[05:41] <Tm_T> 06:41 < dad> 9:40 pm here
[05:41] <smouche> yeah, the dopey dragon, Tm_T.  I mean, god it's ugly...
[05:41] <Kortor> smouche: no
[05:41] <Kortor> smouche: you are not the only one
[05:41] <Kortor> smouche: :(
[05:41] <Tm_T> haha
[05:42] <smouche> at least the gnome foot is -- just a foot - they don't inflict the whole creature on you!
[05:42] <Tm_T> haha
[05:42] <dad> ha
[05:42] <Tm_T> smouche: then use gnome ;)
[05:43] <dad> my kids like the dragon
[05:43] <Tm_T> dad: you live in where?
[05:43] <dad> alberta canada
[05:43] <Tm_T> uh
[05:44] <Tm_T> knd!
[05:44] <smouche> dad -- that's a good point though... once there are Konqi plush toys everywhere, perhaps kde will rule the world, as is right and proper.. ;-)
[05:44] <Tm_T> hah
[05:44] <Kortor> NARG!
[05:44] <dad> ha
[05:44] <narg> KORTOR!
[05:44] <narg> why are you saying my name? :p
[05:44] <Tm_T> smouche: maybe we need designbetter looking dragon then ;)
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> Tm_T: like the one on Shrek?
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:45] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: haha
[05:45] <dad> she's hot!
[05:45] <Kortor> I dunno
[05:45] <Tm_T> narg: because hes fag ;p
[05:45] <narg> Tm_T: :p
[05:46] <Tm_T> or is he only happy to see you
[05:46] <Tm_T> spank me please
[05:46] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> Kelletubbies
[05:46] <Tm_T> keletapit!
[05:46] <dad> here we go again ha
[05:47] <smouche> maybe the gnome foot is just the charred remnants of St. George after meeting this awesome dragon...
[05:47] <Tm_T> smouche: that's what it is ;)
[05:49] <narg> Hrm, so does anyone know if kubuntu does a frozen package thing al la testing, or a update on, al la sid?
[05:49] <Bicchi> i need help using partition magic to instal kubuntu
[05:49] <Tm_T> Kortor: do you know what I just did to you?
[05:50] <smouche> Tm_T, maybe someone should stick a reversed gnome foot on the sole of one of Konqi's feet, to indicate where the gnome mark really came from...
[05:50] <Tm_T> smouche: let's do so =)
[05:51] <smouche> you first, Tm_T -- gimp hates me!
[05:51] <Tm_T> smouche: gimp <3
[05:51] <Kortor> Tm_T: No. And I'm not sure I want to... O_o
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> Make the pic of konqi with blood in his teeth and a foot laying at his feet.
[05:51] <Tm_T> Kortor: I bet you don't =)
[05:51] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: I'll do that =)
[05:51] <Tm_T> so some gimpin' ->
[05:51] <Tm_T> no, not pimpin'
[05:52] <glass-eye> what is kubuntu?
[05:52] <Kortor> Tm_T: Tell me anyway though. :P
[05:52] <smouche> kubuntu may be the beginning of sleepless nights and teed off girlfriends, glass-eye...
[05:52] <Tm_T> Kortor: I ripped you'r head and shattered it and then throwed your corpse to wolfes
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> glass-eye: nothign you'd be interested in. It's a new kind of contact lense.
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:52] <glass-eye> :D
[05:52] <Tm_T> hahaha
[05:52] <smouche> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[05:53] <Kortor> Tm_T: Sexy.
[05:53] <Tm_T> ok, some gimpin' ->
[05:53] <TechLord> i've got a problem i just can't figure out
[05:54] <smouche> it's Utnubuk in reverse, meaning "fearsome gnome stomper"
[05:54] <glass-eye> interesting
[05:54] <dad> lol
[05:54] <glass-eye> can't you install kde in regular ubuntu?
[05:54] <TechLord> i'm in the control center and when ever i try to get into an admin funtion i get the prompt for the password enter the password  then am put back out to the information screen not the admin section
[05:54] <smouche> sure, glass-eye, yes
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> smouche: wasn't it you who said GNOME = GUI Not Offering Menu Editor?
[05:55] <glass-eye> but its more geared towards GNOME i assume then?
[05:55] <smouche> LeeJunFan, yes!
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> smouche: I've been laughing for 2 weeks straight. hehe
[05:55] <smouche> (but I meant it kindly -- ;-) 
[05:56] <glass-eye> heh
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> smouche: or however long it's been. It's hard to keep track of days when you never see the sun. :)
[05:56] <hayden> whats a ftp client and server i can install?
[05:56] <dad> Tech: are you putting in your user pasword?
[05:56] <Kortor> Tm_T: Do you know what I just said?
[05:56] <TechLord> yes
[05:56] <smouche> LeeJunFan,  because of the weather where you are, or because of kubuntu?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> smouche: 3 kids, 2 jobs, wife, and too many hobbies. :)
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> only 1 wife though !
[05:57] <Kortor> Ello?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> I'm off to bed. Later.
[05:57] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[05:57] <dad> Tech: did you do a clean install or update?
[05:57] <Tm_T> http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart/splashscreen-3.4b-400x248.png
[05:57] <Tm_T> that's from finland!
[05:57] <TechLord> clean install
[05:58] <Kortor> Tm_T: Ello? Do you know what I said?
[05:58] <smouche> lol, LeeJunFan
[05:58] <Bicchi> does anyone have a few seconds to help me out with installing kubuntu and partitioning the drive using partition magic or perhaps kubuntu/.
[05:58] <Tm_T> Kortor: not quite
[05:58] <Tm_T> Kortor: some idea though
[05:58] <smouche> there's a line in the movie "the Spanish Prisoner" -- guy says, 
[05:58] <Kortor> Tm_T: What do you think?
[05:58] <glass-eye> smouche: good flick
[05:58] <smouche> "the problem isn't when your hobbies interfere with work,
[05:58] <Tm_T> hey! I'm gimpin! ->
[05:59] <dad> Tech: how about if you try installing apps?
[05:59] <smouche> it's when your hobbies interfere with other hobbies"
[05:59] <TechLord> kynaptic works and sudo works from the konsole
[05:59] <smouche> or sumphin'
[05:59] <Kortor> Tm_T: What do you think I said?
[05:59] <smouche> I loved that movie, glass-eye
[06:00] <TechLord> and if i go to kwifi it's self it works
[06:00] <glass-eye> it was different because it was originally a play and they didn't rewrite it to be more movie like
[06:01] <smouche> yeah -- kind of like Glengarry Glen Ross -- also David Mamet
[06:01] <dad> Tech: what are you trying to do in the control center?
[06:01] <glass-eye> good flick though, my wife made me watch it originally and now i love it
[06:01] <Bicchi> if i wish do dual boot do i have to partition the drive before going into the installation. like do it from windows?
[06:02] <TechLord> dad: login manger, network settings, any admin function does the same thing
[06:02] <glass-eye> Bicchi: not necessarily
[06:02] <smouche> Bicchi, yes, unless you have more than one drive
[06:02] <Bicchi> glass-eye: can kubuntu handle the partition of the drive and leaving windows alone. like i can alocate a certain space to it?
[06:02] <Bicchi> just one drive
[06:02] <smouche> then you could just put linux on one of them
[06:03] <glass-eye> I've done it, but it depends on what type of partition windows is on
[06:03] <Bicchi> i do not want to get rid of windows but dual OS
[06:03] <Bicchi> ntfs
[06:03] <glass-eye> hmmm...i would recommend partitioning in windows then
[06:03] <Bicchi> i am ready to use partition magic but need some help
[06:04] <smouche> well, I'm no expert, but I think it's best to have windows installed first...
[06:04] <dad> TechLord: sorry, I don't know what's wrong. Have you tried the kubuntu site.
[06:04] <Bicchi> is this a primary or logical partition?
[06:04] <TechLord> dad: not yet cam here first thanks...
[06:04] <glass-eye> all you need to do is resize your partition, i would recommend putting the windows partition at the front of the driver (i.e. just move the end)
[06:05] <Bicchi> glass-eye: so i do not need to create the swap and boot partition. just leave some space unallocated and thats all?
[06:05] <glass-eye> once you have the ntfs parition resized, just leave the rest of the area unallocated and the install should be able to create the paritions it needs in that spot
[06:05] <Bicchi> gotcha
[06:05] <glass-eye> you _could_ create a logical paritition in the empty space just to make sure
[06:05] <smouche> Bicchi -- I think that's right, you can let (k)ubuntu handle the rest -
[06:06] <Bicchi> what about size. it will let me pick the size i need. like i wish to give kubuntu 10gb and 1gb swap?
[06:06] <glass-eye> yeah
[06:06] <glass-eye> although the rule of thumb is twice the amount of ram for the size of swap i think...
[06:06] <smouche> yeah, Bicchi, you can configure that -- but take your time on those screens, the defaults might not be what you want
[06:06] <glass-eye> normally i split my /home off into its own partition too
[06:07] <glass-eye> or put it on a separate drive
[06:07] <smouche> and I would have a seperate home partition -- ditto glass-ee
[06:07] <dad> yes glass-eye has a very good point
[06:07] <Bicchi> but i have a 1gb of ram. a 2gb swap is just too much
[06:07] <glass-eye> lvm is also something you might want to look into
[06:07] <smouche> what about the logical volume manager?  I've never tried to set that up... 
[06:08] <smouche> hah, too fast, glass-eye -- you're reading my mind...
[06:08] <glass-eye> it will allow you a little more freedom as to the size of stuff dynamically, i haven't played with it too much yet, but it looks nice and one of my buddies uses it
[06:08] <glass-eye> you can set that up after the install though i believe
[06:08] <glass-eye> iso is almost done burning
[06:09] <narg> can someone say my name? (want to test something)
[06:09] <glass-eye> woohoo...time to install ubuntu
[06:09] <glass-eye> narg!
[06:09] <smouche> burning slowly, I hope, glass-eye ... 
[06:09] <smouche> have fun dude!
[06:09] <glass-eye> bbl
[06:09] <narg> thank ya glass-eye :)
[06:09] <smouche> narg!
[06:09] <Tm_T> aergh
[06:10] <smouche> gran!
[06:10] <narg> and now peaple abuse my sound setting :p
[06:10] <smouche> grannie narg!
[06:10] <narg> touche smouche!
[06:10] <Tm_T> can anyone find sitting kunqi pic ?
[06:11] <smouche> rang gran, she went "argn, argn, narg narg"
[06:12] <smouche> there's one right here, Tm_T -- http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php
[06:12] <Tm_T> haha
[06:12] <Tm_T> too easy
[06:12] <narg> It was so obvious, it was invisable :)
[06:12] <smouche> heh heh, that's the one I was thinking was so ugly --
[06:13] <Tm_T> smouche: but that's not good enough, you cant edit blood in his mouth :/
[06:14] <narg> just edit book to be a gnome cookbook :)
[06:14] <smouche> well, Tm_T, you could change the title of the book to "Gnome recipes" or something 
[06:14] <smouche> ahhhh you beat me!
[06:14] <smouche> rofl
[06:14] <narg> snicker ;p
[06:14] <smouche> touche narg!
[06:14] <dad> or hot grannies
[06:14] <narg> thats whats, 1 to 1 now?
[06:14] <narg> dude, this is going to be a long bout...
[06:14] <smouche> score one for gran narg, arggggnn!
[06:15] <Tm_T> that's not the same, I wan't BLOOD!
[06:15] <Tm_T> http://fotos.michelazzo.com.br/albums/kde/come2.jpg
[06:16] <Tm_T> =)
[06:16] <smouche> narg = Narg ate real gnome
[06:17] <narg> Narg smart trolloc. Narg knows gnome is tasty.
[06:17] <smouche> that's nice, Tm_T -- I like that...
[06:18] <Tm_T> narg =)
[06:18] <dad> at least a dragon is better than a butterfly!
[06:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:19] <Tm_T> or box with colors ;p
[06:19] <smouche> gran = "gnomes roar at narg"
[06:19] <Tm_T> but an apple is teh bestest
[06:20] <dad> yes apples are good
[06:20] <smouche> seen in this light, I've made my peace with konqi, I'll even buy a plush toy...
[06:20] <Tm_T> smouche: maybe I put some blood in kunqis finers :p
[06:20] <Tm_T> konqi I mean
[06:20] <narg> no no Tm_T, you add a pool of it under him, or to one side.
[06:21] <Tm_T> that too
[06:21] <smouche> I kind of like kunqi, actually, Tm_T...
[06:21] <narg> with a bit draining down ihm
[06:21] <Tm_T> narg: then it might look like that blood comes from konqi?
[06:22] <regeya> as long as this discussion never leads toward a 'take it tux'-style piece of art, I'm all for it. ;-)
[06:22] <narg> heh, yea
[06:22] <narg> hrm
[06:22] <narg> beaker of blood possibly?
[06:22] <smouche> we need a "konqi breathing fire" screensaver...
[06:22] <dad> that would be cool
[06:23] <narg> with gnome cookbook, it looks like konqi is cooking :p
[06:23] <narg> heh, yea
[06:23] <narg> that would be.
[06:23] <smouche> "to serve gnome"
[06:23] <smouche> "to serve man"
[06:23] <narg> Hrm, this would be easier if gnome actually had a REAL mascot...
[06:23] <smouche> "towards humanity"
[06:23] <narg> hah smouche.
[06:23] <Tm_T> narg: maybe
[06:24] <smouche> "towards gnomanity"
[06:24] <Tm_T> Kill the gnome!
[06:24] <Tm_T> people want blood! people want it now!
[06:24] <Tm_T> eh, I got excited?
[06:24] <Tm_T> o/
[06:24] <dad> we could get the Dead Kennedys to write a song about it
[06:25] <smouche> blood and fire!
[06:25] <Tm_T> Nakkel: talar du svenska?
[06:25] <smouche> "kill kill kill kill, kill the gnome...."
[06:26] <Nakkel> Tm_T: umm... no
[06:26] <Tm_T> hyv, en minkn
[06:26] <dad> smouche: lol
[06:26] <smouche> (I really don't hate gnome!  but I love the dead kennedy's, dad!)
[06:26] <dad> punk out man!
[06:26] <Tm_T> Killing Time!
[06:26] <Nakkel> Tm_T: selv
[06:26] <smouche> kukubuntu uber alles!
[06:27] <Tm_T> Nakkel: sori, kuumeessa irtoaa huonoa lpp
[06:27] <regeya> changed my mind, please no killing gnomes.
[06:27] <Tm_T> regeya: why not?
[06:27] <regeya> at least the gnome crowd keeps it down to "eww default kde is ugly"
[06:27] <Tm_T> smouche: kukubuntu?
[06:27] <Tm_T> regeya: muahhaha, no mercy!
[06:27] <smouche> heh, even I know that was finnish, not svenska!  whoa, what have we got here, Linus and the duckpond?
[06:28] <Tm_T> smouche: xD
[06:28] <smouche> Tm_T -- kukubuntu, with a stutter, because the original Dead Kennedy's song was "Californina uber alles"
[06:28] <smouche> trying to keep the rhythm...
[06:28] <Tm_T> ok then
[06:28] <smouche> oopps  - California
[06:28] <smouche> I can't type for shit
[06:29] <Tm_T> shit you can
[06:29] <Tm_T> hm, where's Kortor
[06:29] <smouche> heh, regeya, actually this all started with me complaining that konqi was ugly --
[06:30] <narg> kortor is gone
[06:30] <Tm_T> haha
[06:30] <Tm_T> narg: I see
[06:30] <Tm_T> smouche: sshhh
[06:30] <narg> heh, he actually talk much in here? (I know him irl :P)
[06:30] <regeya> something I can agree with!  konqi is ugly.
[06:30] <Tm_T> hey!
[06:32] <smouche> hey yourself!
[06:32] <Tm_T> ok, gnome-cookbook it is ->
[06:32] <Tm_T> and some blood!
[06:32] <smouche> is glass-eye still here?  installing kubuntu?
[06:33] <smouche> can't wait to see the results, Tm_T
[06:33] <smouche> :-)
[06:34] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[06:34] <Tm_T> btw I'm terrible drawer ;p
[06:34] <Tm_T> you see better in kindegarden ;p
[06:34] <regeya> and I make a lousy shelf, but you don't see me making excuses
[06:35] <smouche> lol, regeya
[06:35] <smouche> gnome does drawers pretty well, I'll give 'em that...
[06:35] <smouche> don't get your drawers in a twist, gentlemen
[06:36] <dad> lol
[06:36] <smouche> barkeep -- a cold draught for the draftsman, Tm_T!  to lubricate his artistic efforts!
[06:37] <smouche> I had some lousy drawers, and I kind of liked them, but my girlfriend was such a nit-picker, you see...
[06:46] <narg> hrm, for mldonkey, whats the addy of the mlcore in debianoids?
[06:50] <smouche> thoreauputic, how ya doin?
[06:50] <kakalto> how do I kustomize kdm?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> hi - OK - an you?
[06:51] <dad> kakalto: goto kde-look.org
[06:51] <smouche> good -- did you get broadband yet?  I seem to remember you were using a dial-up, and I was amazed...
[06:53] <thoreauputic> smouche: still steam-age dialup, yes ;)
[06:55] <smouche> heh heh; not burning too many iso's, I guess-- or you're very very patient
[06:55] <thoreauputic> smouche: I'm renting and I'm waiting until I find somewhere permanent: don't want to double my sign-up fees
[06:56] <thoreauputic> smouche: I'm patient - I'll wait for my Hoary CDs to arrive :)
[06:56] <smouche> that makes sense, thoreauputic !  
[06:56] <smouche> thoreauputic, move to Philadelphia, free wireless for everyone, or so I hear... ;-)
[06:57] <smouche> now there's "brotherly love" !
[06:57] <Tm_T> wy
[06:57] <thoreauputic> smouche: well, if you send me the 'plane fare, sure ;-)
[06:58] <Tm_T> bah, can't do it
[06:58] <smouche> Tm_T, how's the blood and guts dragon going?
[06:58] <Tm_T> maybe some other day, now I'm gonna get som fresh air
[06:58] <Tm_T> once a week you know ;p
[06:58] <yh>  was there any .iso on ftp? bittorent is blocked, http is slow :(
[06:59] <smouche> good plan, Tm_T.  There's too much violence in the world anyway... ;-)
[06:59] <Tm_T> haha
[07:00] <Tm_T> haa, screen irssi ->
[07:00] <smouche> irssi?
[07:01] <Tm_T> yes
[07:01] <Tm_T> wait a second
[07:01] <_mike> Greetings.  Does anyone here have NIS working with their [k] ubuntu?
[07:02] <Tm_T> smile, youre on candid camera ;)
[07:02] <smouche> what's irssi?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> smouche: tex IRC client
[07:03] <Xeon3D> smouche,  text irc client
[07:03] <thoreauputic> *text
[07:03] <smouche> ahh, thank you
[07:03] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture_irssi.png
[07:03] <Tm_T> best irc client
[07:04] <smouche> hmm, maybe I'll try it -- 
[07:04] <smouche> I'm having fun with text only browsers -- lynx was confusing for me, but I love elinks!  very cool
[07:05] <Tm_T> lynx is fine
[07:05] <smouche> whoa, I've got irssi installed already -- heh, I had no idea
[07:05] <ice_1963> linux is the best =)
[07:05] <Tm_T> haha
[07:05] <Tm_T> irssi is installed if you have Kubuntu =)
[07:06] <Tm_T> good package choises
[07:06] <ice_1963> nop gnome
[07:06] <Tm_T> yuk gnome
[07:07] <ice_1963> have you run gnome yet 
[07:07] <smouche> heh, how come they didn't put it in the menu, irssi?
[07:07] <Tm_T> I did use it some time, ain't liked it
[07:07] <Tm_T> smouche: because it's text mode only ;p
[07:08] <Tm_T> smouche: why use only menu to find progs
[07:08] <thoreauputic> emacs isn't in the menu either, or vim - both are installed
[07:08] <smouche> menus are a place to start, for newbies, Tm_T!  actually, I'm using the kde menus less and less now...
[07:09] <Tm_T> yes...
[07:09] <Tm_T> Kappfinder is good tool
[07:09] <Tm_T> keeps menu updated
[07:09] <ice_1963> how is kde runing
[07:09] <smouche> I use xfce appfinder sometimes
[07:12] <smouche> well, I want to eventually learn how to use console based stuff as much as possible, because stuff crashing on me is getting to be a real pain.  
[07:12] <Tm_T-> heh
[07:12] <Tm_T-> I started from shell
[07:12] <smouche> Konqueror and kate are really unstable on my system.  Thank god for rox-filer and gedit.  I like gedit.
[07:13] <Tm_T-> actually my first installed *nix was netBSD =)
[07:13] <Tm_T-> I started from the easiest ;p
[07:13] <smouche> emacs is just too much for me to learn... 
[07:13] <Tm_T-> heh
[07:13] <Tm_T-> I don't even care about emacs
[07:13] <Tm_T-> nano rocks
[07:13] <smouche> I like nano.  
[07:14] <Tm_T-> no sep
[07:14] <dimmak> anybody know of a windows player with similar features of amarok? cuz even if i can't convert everybody to kubuntu... i hope to at least get them using amarok in some form
[07:15] <Tm_T-> haha
[07:15] <Tm_T-> dimmak: make windows port by yourself ;p
[07:15] <smouche> I like kaffeine, but it's hard on my cpu.  
[07:15] <Lancellor> hello everybodi
[07:15] <Tm_T-> plah, amarok \o/
[07:15] <smouche> maybe that's why they call it kaffeine, it keeps the system revved up even when I close it...
[07:15] <dimmak> ha
[07:15] <Tm_T-> haha
[07:16] <Tm_T-> fuckin freezing
[07:16] <Lancellor> you guys think the kubuntu it is better or the only difference is desktop
[07:16] <smouche> I like zinf for a media player, organizer
[07:16] <dimmak> Lancellor: kubuntu vs. ubuntu?
[07:17] <dimmak> i think that just amounts to personal preferences
[07:17] <Tm_T> kubuntu vs ubuntu is more KDE vs Gnome
[07:17] <smouche> all I know is Lancellor, is, for me, kubuntu is a lot easier and more pleasant to work with, as a linux newbie.  I found gnome confusing, but others swear by it.
[07:17] <Tm_T> smouche: you mean KDE
[07:17] <Lancellor> yea i'm not against anything i just need a newbie user able to use linux
[07:17] <dimmak> yeah... same thing kde vs gnome just amounts to personal preferences
[07:18] <smouche> yes, Tm_T, you're right.
[07:18] <Tm_T> 'cause kubuntu = ubuntu +kde ;p
[07:18] <smouche> anyway, (k)ubuntu, either way, is great
[07:18] <Lancellor> ok so performance and functuonality the same????
[07:18] <Tm_T> smouche: yep, just like Debian <3
[07:18] <Tm_T> Lancellor: it depends what desktop you use atc
[07:19] <dimmak> Lancellor: i just installed ubuntu to play around with... i'll let you know in a few days
[07:19] <dimmak> Lancellor: are you more productive in gnome or kde?
[07:19] <Lancellor> to be honest i want to migrate to windows 
[07:19] <Tm_T> !
[07:19] <dimmak> migrate from what?
[07:19] <smouche> ?
[07:20] <Tm_T> di I understood right?!
[07:20] <dimmak> just get vmware and have windows in it
[07:20] <dimmak> that is what i do to feed my guilty pleasure
[07:20] <Tm_T> he want to start use Windows!?!?
[07:20] <Lancellor> i'm running ubuntu right know but i have seen pictures of kde and look nicer
[07:20] <Tm_T> Lancellor: yes, KDE is nicer
[07:20] <Tm_T> both bloat
[07:20] <Lancellor> from windows to kde
[07:20] <Lancellor> linux
[07:20] <Tm_T> ok
[07:21] <dimmak> even people that view windows as necessity don't necessarily want it
[07:21] <smouche> Lancellor, I find it is easier to make kde look really cool, and personalize it as much as you want
[07:21] <dimmak> ok... logic error
[07:21] <Lancellor> what about functionality
[07:21] <Tm_T> Lancellor: easier to use
[07:21] <Tm_T> imho
[07:21] <dimmak> it is really easy to get disorganized though
[07:21] <smouche> though I don't like a lot of the default kde settings, the bouncing cursors etc...
[07:21] <dimmak> but i prefer it
[07:21] <Lancellor> cool 
[07:22] <Lancellor> i been using ubuntu for like a week and i lke it 
[07:22] <dimmak> gnome can stay sleeker cuz it really makes you work to configure things
[07:22] <Tm_T> smouche: first thing is to make setting delight your personal lust ;p
[07:22] <smouche> dimmak, I think you describe it perfectly...
[07:22] <loren> Ubuntu kicksass
[07:22] <Tm_T> K!
[07:22] <Lancellor> even if is kain of difficult set up stuff 
[07:23] <Lancellor> you know like printers and stuff
[07:23] <smouche> to be honest, I detested kde till the latest version; it was fantastic for kubuntu to come out with the newest kde right from the start
[07:24] <smouche> I'm kind of depressed that I can't get konqueror to behave, too many crashes, other than that, I love kubuntu.
[07:24] <Lancellor> thanks i'm going to give it a try  i'm going to install kubuntu on different hard drive on that way i don't mess up all my progress
[07:24] <smouche> yeah, Tm_T, tweaking settings becomes addictive!
[07:25] <Lancellor> this is the first time i use linux
[07:25] <Tm_T> heh
[07:26] <dimmak> tweaking becomes like second nature
[07:26] <smouche> Lancellor, ubuntu/kubuntu is definitely a great distro for newbies -- and not only newbies.
[07:26] <dimmak> there is no reason for a distro to be difficult
[07:26] <Tm_T> Lancellor: go to library and lend "Linux for dummies"
[07:26] <Tm_T> It's fun to read
[07:26] <Lancellor> i will doit 
[07:27] <Tm_T> It's good start for s-hell ;p
[07:27] <dimmak> i have played with many distros just to see what one i can setup the fastest customized to my needs
[07:27] <Lancellor> not against windows either just like linux way to think
[07:27] <dimmak> i barely messed with gentoo
[07:27] <Tm_T> haha
[07:28] <dimmak> knoppix and kubuntu is all i need
[07:28] <Tm_T> hm, Debian for server
[07:28] <Tm_T> FC3 is allright
[07:28] <Tm_T> but not the best
[07:29] <Lancellor> i tried fedora core 3
[07:29] <loren> gah
[07:29] <dimmak> and having fast internet makes it easy to get a cd-sized distro and apt-get any additional apps you want
[07:29] <loren> i hate the fedora series
[07:29] <Lancellor> coul not set up my sound
[07:29] <dimmak> i feel for the people on dialup out there
[07:29] <dimmak> blah
[07:30] <smouche> sound is always a pain.  
[07:30] <_kkathman> howdy smouche :)
[07:30] <dimmak> i wouldn't mind fedora if it didn't start broke
[07:30] <smouche> hi _kkathman!
[07:31] <_kkathman> oops just noticed my ghost there :)
[07:31] <dimmak> but at least i got a crash course in configuring all sorts of update programs like yum, synaptic, and apt-get
[07:31] <Tm_T> muah
[07:31] <kkathman> thats better
[07:31] <smouche> (k)ubuntu did very well with almost all my sound cards; only problem was an external usb soundblaster that wouldn't work-- couldn't find a driver
[07:32] <Lancellor> what do you guys know about solaris
[07:32] <kkathman> yep, I cant get amarOK to stream a CD directly, but as I understand it, thats not what it was designed for
[07:32] <dimmak> the box i am testing ubuntu on is missing the network driver, at first i thought it might only be ubuntu... but it did the same thing when i thought to just install kubuntu on it too.
[07:32] <kkathman> Kaffeine works great tho
[07:33] <Tm_T> yrrrh
[07:33] <smouche> Lancellor, all I know is Solaris is an awesome book by Stanislaw Lem!  and a great movie by Tarkowski!  ;-)
[07:33] <Tm_T> why here's no channel ops
[07:33] <Tm_T> Lancellor: solaris is ok
[07:33] <dimmak> and it rhymes with polaris... and i like recreational vehicles as much as the next guy
[07:34] <Lancellor> i was reading on a linux magazine about it souns interesting what this people want to do
[07:34] <Tm_T> Lancellor: I might test it someday
[07:34] <smouche> kktathman, I like kaffeine a lot, but for some reason, when I close it, it keeps my cpu locked up at full speed, (amd64)...
[07:34] <kkathman> smouche, there is a FAQ on that on the Kaffiene site I think
[07:35] <kkathman> it does that on my machine too, and im running an AMD Semperon 2500+
[07:35] <Tm_T> Lancellor: I think Solaris is for server only, no need for that kinda unix to desktop use
[07:35] <smouche> thanks, kkathman -- yeah, and I think I saw a bug report somewhere on the kubuntu site too...
[07:35] <kkathman> I have to go in and kill the process
[07:35] <Lancellor> ok 
[07:35] <Lancellor> i did not know 
[07:35] <Lancellor> i just read about it
[07:35] <Tm_T> Lancellor: because it IS UNIX
[07:35] <Tm_T> afaik
[07:36] <kkathman> I gots to find a really good resource on configuring samba I think
[07:36] <Tm_T> and yes, there is differences between linux, *BSD and UNIX
[07:37] <kkathman> Tm_T: yeah like the are 3 different operating systems loosely based on a similar concept :)
[07:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: very loosely
[07:37] <kkathman> but they do share similar core commands
[07:37] <Tm_T> yes
[07:37] <kkathman> I mean an rm in each one still removes a file, cp is a copy, cd etc
[07:37] <Tm_T> yes
[07:38] <Tm_T> my friend have solaris in his laptop =)
[07:38] <Tm_T> doesn't have X at all =)
[07:38] <Lancellor> i just burn my image of kubuntu i'm goig to try of install it
[07:38] <kkathman> And, there are significant differences between AIX, Solaris, AIX and HP-UX, and berkley Unix...blah blah
[07:38] <Tm_T> you do that
[07:39] <Lancellor> thnaks guys for sure i will se ya later with my stupid questions
[07:39] <Tm_T> =)
[07:39] <Tm_T> Lancellor: thanks yer warning
[07:39] <kkathman> good look Lancellor 
[07:39] <Lancellor> just be have some patience
[07:40] <Tm_T> ok, it's the time of the day
[07:40] <kkathman> Tm_T: happy hour?
[07:40] <Tm_T> you know what I mean?
[07:40] <Tm_T> no no no
[07:40] <kkathman> its always happy hour somewhere in the world :)
[07:40] <smouche> kkathman -- this looks like a  fairly exhaustive (and exhausting) guide to Samba:  http://de.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/
[07:40] <Tm_T> it's 0842 and there's gotta be some...
[07:40] <kkathman> hey...great smouche thanks for that :)
[07:41] <Tm_T> Dirty Mac !!!
[07:41] <Tm_T> Dirty Mac - Yer Blues
[07:41] <Tm_T> prkl
[07:43] <smouche> kkathman, I don't need Samba anymore, because my Windows box crashed and burned this morning!  hard drive failure with about a 120 gigs of data gone!!  aaaaaaaaaarghhghgh!
[07:43] <Tm_T> I bet my neighbours kill me but gotta play that loud =)
[07:43] <smouche> "windows share" -- share the pain!
[07:43] <Tm_T> hahaha
[07:43] <kkathman> smouche, I got a frantic call from a client today...her computer died too
[07:43] <Bicchi> i just finished installing kubuntu for the first time. now i need to know how to install firefox. 100% newby
[07:44] <Tm_T> haha
[07:44] <Tm_T> Bicchi: open Konsole
[07:44] <Tm_T> ...
[07:44] <kkathman> so I gotta make a trip tomorrow, buy some parts, put a new computer together, and hope that I can rescue the data from her other machine
[07:44] <Tm_T> hah
[07:45] <smouche> Bicchi, sudo apt-get install firefox , then enter password, I think -- 
[07:45] <kkathman> it was one of those god-forsaken e-Machines!!!  They ought to arrest people that sell that box
[07:45] <Tm_T> smouche: no no, its mozilla-firefox
[07:45] <kkathman> yep Tm_T is right
[07:45] <smouche> right!  sorry! thanks Tm_T, my bad
[07:45] <Tm_T> np
[07:46] <Bicchi> thanks
[07:46] <kkathman> I still prefer Opera to Firefox on my box...its faster....at least for me it is
[07:46] <Bicchi> do i need to download anything else before that.
[07:46] <Tm_T> Bicchi: we're gonna make 1337 h4x0r from you =)
[07:46] <Tm_T> Bicchi: no?
[07:47] <smouche> I like Opera better too, but for some reason the fonts look horrrrrible on my system... can't figure out why everything in opera looks cruddier on linux...
[07:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, firefox have bad habit to be heavy in some boxes :/
[07:47] <kkathman> smouche, they look worse on mine too, at least worse than Windoze
[07:48] <Tm_T> I'm lucky, I have lightweight FF \o/
[07:48] <kkathman> Tm_T: I think so too
[07:48] <Tm_T> in my all boxes =)
[07:48] <kkathman> Tm_T: even the base install seems heavy
[07:48] <Tm_T> haha
[07:48] <kkathman> Konqeror blazes on my system tho
[07:48] <Tm_T> ok, it's gecko then
[07:49] <smouche> I love Konqueror, when it doesn't crash.  Damn, I think maybe it's my fault for being too lazy to look for a better driver for my video card...
[07:49] <kkathman> Tm_T: I assume when you say its lightweight, you didnt use any plugins
[07:50] <kkathman> smouche Konq has some buggies, some sites come up 1/2 way and hang occasionally
[07:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: I do use couple plufins
[07:50] <Tm_T> uh
[07:51] <kkathman> Tm_T: I did the mod to turn off the Ipv6 thing too
[07:51] <Bicchi> hey the installation did not install. the gcc or g++ ?
[07:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: no needed to
[07:51] <kkathman> Bicchi, not standardly
[07:51] <Tm_T> Bicchi: have bot
[07:51] <Tm_T> h
[07:51] <Tm_T> fuck!
[07:51] <kkathman> LOL
[07:51] <Tm_T> remember breatch slowly...
[07:51] <Tm_T> -c
[07:52] <Tm_T> typoxiit
[07:52] <Bicchi> take your time typing go easy on the cafeine.
[07:52] <Tm_T> hahaha
[07:52] <smouche> I thought that was just geek language -- you mean it's typos???
[07:52] <kkathman> lol
[07:52] <smouche> I am so disillusioned! 
[07:52] <Tm_T> smouche: typo and xiit ;p
[07:53] <Tm_T> "that much typos?! you gotta xiit!"
[07:53] <kkathman> I installed superkaramba today...I like some of the eye candy, but I guess I was expecting more
[07:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: too heavy to me, I hate karamba
[07:53] <Tm_T> torsmo <3
[07:53] <kkathman> Tm_T: its not all that heavy on my system at all...like 4 mb
[07:53] <smouche> I don't have enough memory for that stuff, but it's fun
[07:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: thats too much for me =)
[07:54] <kkathman> Tm_T: gotcha
[07:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: I even gonna start to use fluxbox because it's much lighter
[07:54] <kkathman> fluxbox?
[07:54] <Tm_T> yes
[07:54] <smouche> The universe is just one big typo and we're lucky God is too proud to use spell-check.
[07:54] <kkathman> whats that?
[07:55] <kkathman> Amen smouche :)
[07:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: you dont know?!
[07:55] <kkathman> nope
[07:55] <kkathman> heard it a few time Tm_T 
[07:55] <Tm_T> http://www.fluxbox.org/
[07:55] <Tm_T> http://www.fluxbox.org/zoom.php?shots-dev/majes_fluxbox.jpg
[07:55] <Tm_T> and that for easy
[07:56] <kkathman> ahh ok another desktop manager
[07:56] <Tm_T> IF you know what yo do =)
[07:56] <kkathman> if you are struggling for memory, you could try xfce also...its pretty nice
[07:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: I got only 1G ;p
[07:56] <Tm_T> gotta buy more
[07:56] <kkathman> 1G??? of memory?
[07:56] <Tm_T> yes
[07:57] <kkathman> lol I have only 512 MB
[07:57] <Tm_T> hah
[07:57] <kkathman> hehe
[07:57] <kkathman> whats a freakin 4mb for you then??? lol
[07:57] <Tm_T> my second workstation have that
[07:57] <smouche> 512 is what I have on my new laptop, and it ain't enough.
[07:57] <Tm_T> =)
[07:57] <smouche> well , it would be, if I were sensible!
[07:58] <kkathman> geez I ran linux and xfce on an old HP pavillion with only 96mb of memory
[07:58] <smouche> xfce is wonderful
[07:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: bacause Desktop should use ONLY 100MB 
[07:58] <kkathman> 1G is hella big for Linux :)
[07:58] <Tm_T> but KDE use much more :/
[07:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: not
[07:59] <Tm_T> watta..
[07:59] <kkathman> well right now I am running Kubuntu, Konqueror (w 3 tabs), Superkaramba, konversation, 2 Karamba apps, and Gaim, and im using only 446 mb
[07:59] <Tm_T> too much
[07:59] <Tm_T> way too much
[08:00] <kkathman> running too much?
[08:00] <Tm_T> using
[08:00] <kkathman> the response is great!
[08:00] <Tm_T> =)
[08:00] <smouche> kkathman, I want you to run kaffeine now, with full screen visualization, and 45 instances of kate.
[08:00] <smouche> then report back
[08:00] <kkathman> im sure I got some processes I could kill though...but I dont know enough to kill them yet
[08:01] <kkathman> 45 instances of kate??? WHY??
[08:01] <smouche> kill 'em all, let konqi sort em out...
[08:01] <smouche> just for fun
[08:01] <kkathman> course...I also have a Winbox sitting next to me with 250GB and a a 2GB of memory that I can run anything on 
[08:01] <smouche> shit, kate krashes on me freak-uently
[08:01] <Tm_T> 3x Konsole, FF(over ten tabs), TB, Gaim, Gimp and  220MB used 
[08:02] <kkathman> whats the secret Tm_T  ??
[08:02] <kkathman> please share :)
[08:02] <smouche> Gimp just killed my other laptop
[08:02] <Tm_T> haha
[08:02] <kkathman> is the junk processes Ive got?
[08:02] <Tm_T> maybe
[08:02] <Tm_T> I have now something fishy going on, just doubled ram usage =)
[08:02] <Tm_T> lets see top
[08:03] <Tm_T> "open konsole and say top"
[08:03] <Tm_T> ;p
[08:03] <kkathman> me?
[08:03] <Tm_T> yes
[08:03] <smouche> top!  cool, I didn't know about that command -- nifty
[08:03] <kkathman> ok
[08:03] <kkathman> what do you wanna know?
[08:04] <kkathman> dont you get the same thing by ctrl-esc in kde?
[08:04] <Tm_T> nope
[08:04] <Tm_T> no candy! ;p
[08:05] <Tm_T> learn to use konsole =)
[08:05] <kkathman> oh I know
[08:05] <kkathman> hehe
[08:05] <kkathman> so what is it that I should look for :)
[08:05] <Tm_T> just look what its telling to ya
[08:05] <smouche> jeez, I'm using 502 MB  -- with just x-chat, firefox, RealPlayer, Synaptic and streamtuner (not playing) running, and a couple of Konsoles...
[08:05] <kkathman> this is my first time to see it 
[08:05] <kkathman> it keeps moving
[08:06] <kkathman> lol
[08:06] <Tm_T> smouche: vhy x-chat oh why oh why!
[08:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: ofcourse
[08:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: realtime you know
[08:06] <kkathman> 6% of my memory is Xorg, predictably
[08:06] <brazmetal> Amule x Xmule
[08:06] <brazmetal> which is better?
[08:06] <smouche> because I'm too stupid to use Irssi, Tm_T!
[08:06] <Tm_T> haha
[08:06] <Tm_T> 09:06 Irssi uptime: 55d 11h 22m 14s
[08:07] <Tm_T> not enough yet
[08:07] <kkathman> trying to see which of those columns is MB :)
[08:07] <smouche> 55 days???
[08:07] <Tm_T> lets see what another irssi says...
[08:07] <Tm_T> smouche: yep
[08:07] <kkathman> RES?
[08:07] <Tm_T> smouche: that short beacuse of hardware upgrade
[08:07] <smouche> rofl
[08:08] <Tm_T> smouche: almost continuous Irssi from last solstice ;p
[08:08] <Bicchi> in the mnt folder i do not see windows mounted?
[08:08] <Tm_T> Bicchi: should it?
[08:08] <Bicchi> Tm_T: if i need to access it. How can i do so?
[08:09] <smouche> wow; damn, I reboot all the time.
[08:09] <smouche> I'm really not in a linux mindset yet... hah hahah hah
[08:10] <Tm_T> Bicchi: hmm, is it ntfs ?
[08:10] <kkathman> Tm_T: Weird...I quit superkarumba, and I thought I'd get that memory resource back in the total but didnt
[08:10] <Bicchi> Tm_T: yes
[08:10] <Tm_T> Bicchi: ok, then it's gonna be rad only
[08:10] <Tm_T> read only
[08:10] <Tm_T> Bicchi: hmm, what /mount says?
[08:11] <Bicchi> nothing there
[08:11] <Tm_T> o sorry, only mount
[08:11] <Tm_T> wtf am I sleeping or what =)
[08:11] <Tm_T> not thinking at all
[08:12] <Tm_T> Bicchi: what "mount" says
[08:12] <Tm_T> in Konsole
[08:12] <Tm_T> give me root line
[08:12] <Tm_T> or ntfs line if there's any
[08:12] <smouche> Tm_T, how do I find out which process is which PID?
[08:13] <kkathman> wow Im amazed how big konversation is mem wize
[08:13] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, why need to know?
[08:13] <Bicchi> Tm_T: there is no root line or ntfs
[08:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: that's why I run irssi in another computer =)
[08:13] <Tm_T> Bicchi: / line?
[08:14] <Bicchi> Tm_T: /dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:14] <kkathman> Tm_T: irssi?
[08:14] <smouche> well, I mean "top" is telling me the PIDs, but do I need the -- oops
[08:14] <kkathman> ah the irc client?
[08:14] <Tm_T> yes
[08:14] <smouche> never mind, Ctl-esc gives me what I want to see...
[08:14] <Tm_T> =)
[08:15] <Tm_T> Bicchi: ok, so windows partition should be sda1 ?
[08:15] <Bicchi> i guess
[08:15] <smouche> but it would be nice if "top" would give the name of the processess too ... is there anothe console command for that?
[08:16] <Tm_T> Bicchi: ok then, make dir for that partition, lets say /mnt/ntfs
[08:16] <kkathman> smouche: it should be out to the far right
[08:16] <Tm_T> Bicchi: just "mkdir /mnt/ntfs"
[08:17] <Bicchi> Tm_T: i get permission denied. do i need sudo?
[08:17] <Tm_T> Bicchi: then yes
[08:17] <Bicchi> k
[08:17] <Tm_T> ...kyll?
[08:17] <smouche> hah hah, kkathman!  you're right!  I'm an idiot!
[08:18] <kkathman> lol..not an idiot :)
[08:18] <smouche> weird, I never would have seen that if you hadn't told me -- the window was the wrong size...
[08:18] <Tm_T> Bicchi: OR you can chance writing rights of /mnt
[08:18] <Tm_T> smouche: haha
[08:19] <kkathman> smouche:  how do you think I know what to tell you :)   Been there, done that got the t-shirt
[08:19] <Tm_T> uh, so this is not hte place where I'm gonna ask any help, I see
[08:19] <kkathman> sure go ahead and ask
[08:19] <Bicchi> Tm_T: so what do i do after mkdir
[08:19] <Tm_T> Bicchi: use mount
[08:19] <kkathman> now, we cant guarantee we have an answer :)
[08:19] <Bicchi> teach me
[08:19] <Tm_T> Bicchi: wan't to learn it by myself or wan't the right answer right away?
[08:20] <Bicchi> learn it
[08:20] <Tm_T> yoursef ofcourse
[08:20] <Tm_T> then use man mount ;p
[08:20] <smouche> rofl, kkathman
[08:20] <Tm_T> man <command> is really useful
[08:21] <kkathman> Tm_T: we are fortunate that you have knowledge that we can receive, thats what is great about being in the channel...you learn things as you go from other  people's questions :)
[08:21] <smouche> my favorite man page is man man.  
[08:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: I afraid so =)
[08:21] <Tm_T> smouche: mine would be man woman but there's none :/
[08:22] <kkathman> I know someone helped you at one time...people have helped me, so I reciprocate where I can :)
[08:22] <Tm_T> yes
[08:22] <Tm_T> I'm n00b myself
[08:22] <Tm_T> just bagan using linux
[08:22] <smouche> I know, it sucks.  there should at least be an "info woman" or something
[08:22] <kkathman> but part of the fun of Linux...is learning it
[08:22] <Tm_T> about 1year
[08:22] <Tm_T> smouche: you tell me!
[08:22] <kkathman> I didnt learn what I did about Windows in a few weeks either :)
[08:23] <kkathman> why it took me like 20 years to know that it really suxors
[08:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: window sucks, there is nothing you can tweak ;p
[08:23] <smouche> hmm, is chatzilla any good?
[08:23] <Tm_T> smouche: it is ok
[08:23] <Tm_T> not as good as IRSSI but good ;p
[08:23] <kkathman> Tm_T: well you can tweak a little, but not much, and what you can, you can get in trouble
[08:24] <smouche> exactly, kkathman.  
[08:24] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, and it still sucks =)
[08:24] <kkathman> Tm_T: know what I like most about Linux?
[08:24] <Tm_T> flexibility?
[08:24] <kkathman> IT DOESNT HAVE A F&*&ing registry!!!
[08:24] <smouche> the penguin?
[08:24] <Tm_T> haha
[08:24] <Tm_T> kkathman: editin' regisrty was biggest fun =)
[08:24] <smouche> yep, that's it in a nutshell.  goddamn registry.
[08:25] <kkathman> yeah but its the biggest source of bloat in windows
[08:25] <Tm_T> uuh, funky!
[08:25] <Tm_T> this is for ye all: Deep Purple - You Can't Do It Right 
[08:26] <kakalto> how do I set up uim for kde?
[08:26] <Tm_T> uim?
[08:26] <kkathman> hey kakalto :)
[08:26] <kakalto> kkathman, hey :D
[08:26] <Tm_T> fuckin' headache
[08:26] <smouche> speaking of windows; I gotta see if my hard drives have cooled off in my windows box, and if I can rescue anything; oh the pain...
[08:26] <Tm_T> can't think!
[08:27] <smouche> good night folks, or good morning, or whatever...
[08:27] <kkathman> smouche, good luck
[08:27] <kkathman> cya :)
[08:27] <smouche> thanks
[08:28] <kakalto> kkathman. I unnofficially now have kubuntu
[08:28] <kkathman> excellent!
[08:28] <kakalto> I'm actually liking kde now
[08:28] <kakalto> I set it up how my xfce was :P
[08:28] <Tm_T> heh
[08:28] <kkathman> I liked xfce alot....was very good for my other, low memory machine
[08:29] <kakalto> yeh
[08:29] <Tm_T> I officially have Kubuntu, FC3, Debian Sarge, W2k, wfw3.11+DOS6.22 and one pc without OS
[08:30] <kkathman> wow wfw!!
[08:30] <dimmak> rocking the 3.11...where is commodore 64?
[08:31] <Tm_T> hm, no need to
[08:31] <kkathman> I just retired a ms win98se machine
[08:31] <Tm_T> I do have somewhere MTX!
[08:31] <Tm_T> and I do have dos2.4 somwhere in floppy =)
[08:32] <kkathman> rofl...you are a packrat dude
[08:32] <Tm_T> not
[08:32] <kkathman> anyone that has wfw and dos 2.4  is a packrat :)
[08:32] <Tm_T> plah
[08:33] <Tm_T> you know nothing avout that =)
[08:33] <kkathman> oh yeah I do
[08:33] <dimmak> i think digital packratting is ok... it is the piles of newspapers and those homes on the learning channel to get afraid off
[08:33] <dimmak> of
[08:33] <kkathman> Tm_T: I put my first computer together in 1975
[08:33] <Tm_T> heh
[08:33] <dimmak> Tm_T: what is your definition of a driver?
[08:33] <kkathman> literall with boards, components a soldering iron, etc
[08:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: I started to use computers somwhere around 1989
[08:34] <dimmak> oops i mean kkathman
[08:34] <Tm_T> when I was 6(?)
[08:34] <dimmak> i am not paying attention
[08:34] <Tm_T> dimmak: no need to ;p
[08:34] <kkathman> Tm_T: I had an Apple ] [+  with a serial number less than 300
[08:34] <kkathman> that was like 5 years later or something :)
[08:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: had!!?
[08:35] <kkathman> yeah had
[08:35] <kakalto> do ya think my printer will plug & play?
[08:35] <Tm_T> that's it, I'm gonna kill you!
[08:35] <Tm_T> =)
[08:35] <kkathman> gosh I put an old CP/M card in it at one time :)
[08:35] <Tm_T> kakalto: what? P&P?
[08:35] <kakalto> I mean, relatively easily
[08:35] <kkathman> what I mean, is had...is that it doesnt run anymore
[08:35] <dimmak> plug and pray on linux
[08:35] <kkathman> no monitor
[08:36] <kakalto> dimmak: I heard it was that way on earlier windows.
[08:36] <kkathman> remember, it had a special monitor back then
[08:36] <dimmak> it is difficult to drag vendors into supporting their hardware on linux
[08:37] <kkathman> yep it is
[08:37] <dimmak> slowly its potential is being realized by the cunts
[08:37] <dimmak> sorry i couldn't think of a softer word
[08:37] <kkathman> even worse is popular, commerical software wont go there either
[08:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: uhh, c-cassette as mass storage, what an great idea =)
[08:38] <kkathman> Try talking to Macromedia to get Dreamweaver or Flash on Linux...not gonna happen :(
[08:38] <kkathman> Tm_T: LOL...true that I put that module together too
[08:39] <dimmak> well anybody that understands how to use linux can probably easily pirate any software
[08:39] <kkathman> the first thing I put together was a 4mb memory machine called a SWTP
[08:39] <Tm_T> I wish I can go back and live those moments again when you first time hear that squee<ing melody of ascii graphics =)
[08:39] <dimmak> so we are probably hard to trust
[08:39] <kkathman> cassete loaded programs, and I put together an infamous Heathkit monitor
[08:39] <Tm_T> uh
[08:39] <_mike> Anyone having issues with nvidia drivers in Kubunut?
[08:39] <Tm_T> _mike: working fine
[08:39] <kakalto> _mike: yup
[08:40] <kkathman> kubunut - I like that :)
[08:40] <Tm_T> yuh
[08:40] <kakalto> _mike: X won't start if I use nvidia
[08:40] <kakalto> neither will it work if I have nvidia-glx
[08:40] <_mike> My glxgears is still using mesa GL libs.  I've done nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:40] <kakalto> I have to use nv
[08:40] <dimmak> what kind of display do you have?
[08:40] <_mike> And /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx is set to start on boot.
[08:41] <_mike> dimmak: Are you asking me or kakalto?
[08:41] <Tm_T> kakalto: you use too new kernel?
[08:41] <kakalto> Tm_T: I use default, 2.6.10.5 is it?
[08:41] <dimmak> either, neither... doesn't matter
[08:42] <_mike> kakalto: Did you add nvidia to /etc/modules?
[08:43] <_mike> Am i supposed to do something else to make the system use the NVidia GL libs instead of the mesa libs?
[08:43] <kakalto> _mike: yes
[08:43] <kakalto> to the first question, not the second
[08:44] <_mike> kakalto: Sorry, I don't know how advanced you are :)
[08:44] <kakalto> _mike: it's alright
[08:45] <Tm_T> kakalto: yes, with that kernel my nvidia works just fine
[08:45] <Tm_T> no problems at all =)
[08:45] <kakalto> perhaps it was the glx thing
[08:45] <Tm_T> yes
[08:46] <Tm_T> hmm, why I have 4 irc clients running
[08:46] <Tm_T> and everyone running in different box =)
[08:46] <kakalto> hehe
[08:47] <Tm_T> hah
[08:47] <Tm_T> wtf "Remote closed the connection"
[08:48] <Tm_T> sob
[08:48] <Tm_T> =)
[08:48] <Tm_T> I'm cruel sometimes
[08:49] <Tm_T> maybe it's beacuse I have 8 big brothers
[08:50] <kkathman> hi kay :)
[08:50] <Tm_T> sakemanni
[08:50] <kay> hello everybody
[08:51] <Tm_T> German?
[08:53] <kay> Riddell: Congrats on the release
[08:54] <Tm_T> www
[08:54] <Tm_T> Killall *
[08:55] <kay> Bored Tm_T ?
[08:55] <Tm_T> something like that
[08:55] <Tm_T> kay: no sleep last night
[08:56] <kay> Ah
[08:56] <kkathman> well Im off to bed... Tm_T nice to get to know you...appreciate your help and knowledge :)
[08:57] <kay> good sleep kkathman 
[08:57] <kkathman> thanx kay :)
[08:58] <Tm_T> ...
[08:58] <Tm_T> my konwledge?
[08:58] <Tm_T> oh typoxiit
[09:03] <Tm_T> ok, lets do some killall ] ;=
[09:11] <kay> ah, beaver is not yet branched
[09:13] <Beineri> kakalto: already running kubuntu-desktop now?
[09:14] <kakalto> yup
[09:14] <kakalto> :D
[09:14] <kakalto> quite good actually
[09:14] <kakalto> aside from a few issues
[09:16] <Witigonen> Hey all, I have a couple of questions... I'm really excited about putting Kubuntu onto my laptop, but there are a few particulars about it.  First off, I was wondering if the installer can non-destructively resize NTFS partitions?
[09:18] <Witigonen> And then, my CD drive is all messed up, so I have to install via a USB external cd drive... the Kubuntu live CD boots, but the Ubuntu one does not, so I'm assuming that there's not going to be a problem, but..
[09:18] <Tm_T> hm
[09:21] <Witigonen> Is Kubuntu's installer close enough to Ubuntu that I can assume that they both have it?  Since I know Ubuntu can resize them harmlessly. 
[09:21] <Tm_T> they are exactly the same
[09:22] <Tm_T> only difference is desktop =)
[09:22] <Tm_T> and related proggrams
[09:22] <Witigonen> Let's hope the CD will work :)
[09:26] <Tm_T> heh
[09:27] <Tm_T> oh please don't use Konversation, it's just one big bloat
[09:28] <Beineri> Tm_T: compared to X-Chat? :-O
[09:28] <Tm_T> nope
[09:28] <Tm_T> compared to irssi ;)
[09:29] <Tm_T> you don't need to run irssi in your own box
[09:29] <Beineri> Tm_T: If you want to see real bloat, try kvirc :-)
[09:29] <Tm_T> I know
[09:29] <Tm_T> I don't need graphics to irc
[09:29] <Tm_T> yuk
[09:29] <benJIman> hehe
[09:30] <Tm_T> kids...
[09:30] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:30] <Tm_T> beware, you all gonna hear way too many times about irssi =)
[09:30] <benJIman> I do use irssi quite often, and like it, I just have kopete running anyway on my home machine
[09:31] <Tm_T> benJIman: why not use same irssi where ever you are
[09:31] <Tm_T> ssh ;)
[09:31] <benJIman> Tm_T: kopete is nice
[09:31] <Tm_T> plah
[09:31] <Tm_T> it's not the same
[09:31] <benJIman> Tm_T: if you like console clients tmsnc is nice for msn
[09:32] <Tm_T> benJIman: you can have msn to irssi ;p
[09:32] <benJIman> ah
[09:32] <Tm_T> so all you need is irssi :o
[09:32] <Tm_T> and the trick is program called bitlbee
[09:33] <Tm_T> uhm, why oh why
[09:33] <underlord> im looking to hybernate my kubuntu hoary installation, is this possible, if so how?
[09:34] <Tm_T> uhm, hybernate?
[09:34] <underlord> hibernate i mean
[09:34] <Tm_T> =)
[09:35] <Witigonen> It's working, by the way.  They must have updated their installer  Awesome!
[09:35] <benJIman> does kubuntu have any administration tools a la yast?
[09:36] <underlord> Tm_T: sooo... how can i do it?
[09:37] <benJIman> underlord: try echo 1 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[09:39] <underlord> needs root?
[09:39] <benJIman> yeah I think
[09:41] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:41] <underlord> that suspended
[09:41] <Tm_T> hm
[09:41] <benJIman> different numbers are different states of suspension
[09:41] <underlord> i want suspension to disk, so power isnt neccisary
[09:41] <Tm_T> oh now I got what you are up to
[09:41] <benJIman> depends what number that is, suspension to disc is rather dodgy though I think
[09:42] <underlord> oh?
[09:42] <benJIman> In my experience it doesn't come back
[09:42] <benJIman> but depends on the hardware I guess
[09:43] <Tm_T> oh why oh why
[09:43] <Tm_T> there's no new updates for a whloe DAY!
[09:43] <Tm_T> whole
[09:43] <Tm_T> bah
[09:43] <Tm_T> typo master, no need to xiit
[09:47] <benJIman> underlord: apparently echo 3  does suspend to ram and echo 4 does suspend to disc
[09:48] <Tm_T> yuk, suspend sucks
[09:48] <benJIman> i guess it would be useful for a laptop
[09:48] <Tm_T> my 486sx laptop sometimes hangup dos if it is too long in suspend
[09:49] <Tm_T> no, Im not gonna install linux on that
[09:50] <ice_1963> 486 is to old =)
[09:51] <Tm_T> not
[09:51] <Tm_T> works fine
[09:51] <Tm_T> you can irc and write, who need else? ;p
[09:51] <Witigonen> Yeah...hibernating/suspending I feel is a really important thing to work towards with Linux. 
[09:53] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I boot ->
[09:54] <ice_1963> i'm triying kde 4.3 right now first time
[09:54] <benJIman> 3.4
[09:54] <ice_1963> 3.4 lol
[09:57] <KK|Dinner> what's the default video player?
[09:57] <kakalto> anyone?
[09:59] <Tm_T> kakalto: uhm, default?
[09:59] <Tm_T> why it should be default
[10:00] <Tm_T> btw nicely booted =)
[10:00] <Tm_T> \o/
[10:00] <Tm_T> youre not gonna believe this
[10:00] <ice_1963> =)
[10:01] <Tm_T> wait, I got a picture
[10:01] <ixion> Hi ! :) How I update my kubuntu Development branch to Kubuntu 5.04 ?
[10:01] <Tm_T> ...
[10:01] <Tm_T> ixion: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[10:02] <ixion> thanks :)
[10:02] <Tm_T> I mean normal update procedure
[10:02] <Tm_T> yo really should do that every day
[10:02] <Tm_T> +u
[10:02] <ixion> ok :)
[10:03] <Beineri> Tm_T: better apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:04] <ice_1963> 
[10:05] <Tm_T> Beineri: no need to if you do update every day
[10:05] <Tm_T> like me
[10:05] <Tm_T> no, ten times a day
[10:05] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture__1.png
[10:06] <Tm_T> just look upper right corner, RAM usage !
[10:06] <Beineri> Tm_T: updating (ten times) every day will not resolve new dependencies, or?
[10:06] <Tm_T> Beineri: hm, new depencies?
[10:07] <Tm_T> at least it went ok to me =)
[10:07] <Beineri> Tm_T: yes, usually happens during development...
[10:07] <Tm_T> yes, sometimes
[10:08] <Tm_T> not too bad habit to make dist-upgrade
[10:08] <Tm_T> more secure =)
[10:08] <ixion> re :)
[10:08] <ixion> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[10:08] <Tm_T> but wtf 114M RAM used?!?!?
[10:08] <ixion> I have this error message
[10:08] <ixion> when I try update
[10:08] <Tm_T> ixion: use sudo
[10:09] <Tm_T> or root
[10:09] <ixion> yes I use sudo !!!!
[10:09] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:09] <Tm_T> then got some root ;p
[10:09] <Beineri> don't run more than one package manager at the same time? :-)
[10:09] <ixion> lol
[10:09] <Tm_T> ah
[10:09] <ixion> :(
[10:10] <Tm_T> that might do that too, but normally it says if so
[10:10] <Beineri> :)
[10:10] <Tm_T> I use only apt ;p
[10:10] <Tm_T> ok, mostly!
[10:11] <Tm_T> hmm, ok, this is sweet
[10:11] <ixion> :(
[10:11] <ice_1963> lol
[10:12] <Tm_T> I do whatever I usually do and less than 150M RAM used =)
[10:12] <ixion> I can't use su !! He wants a pass but I never specify a pass for root... just a pass for user
[10:12] <Beineri> Tm_T: think loudly ;-)
[10:12] <Tm_T> Beineri: yes I do, bad habit
[10:12] <Beineri> ixion: use the user password
[10:12] <Tm_T> Beineri: think me as retarted
[10:12] <ixion> the user password don't work with su
[10:12] <ixion> :(
[10:12] <Tm_T> haha
[10:12] <Tm_T> sudo
[10:12] <Beineri> use sudo :-)
[10:12] <Beineri> sudo -s 
[10:13] <kakalto> how do I watch dvd's?
[10:13] <kakalto> what package do I need?
[10:13] <Tm_T> ka mplayer ;p
[10:13] <kakalto> mplayer doesn't decode
[10:13] <Tm_T> uh
[10:13] <Tm_T> what?
[10:13] <Tm_T> I watch my dvd:s in mplayer
[10:14] <Tm_T> in my wild youth
[10:14] <kakalto> mine won't decode
[10:14] <ixion> ok I did : sudo passwd and then I enter a password and all is right but apt-get tell me there are no updates :(
[10:14] <kakalto> Tm_T, do you use hoary?
[10:14] <kakalto> did you upgrade to hoary?
[10:14] <Tm_T> ....
[10:14] <Tm_T> you mean ixion?
[10:14] <Tm_T> ixion: check your repos
[10:16] <Witigonen> Grf.
[10:16] <Witigonen> My mouse isn't working on a fresh boot.
[10:16] <Tm_T> heh
[10:16] <ixion> Tm_T: query !
[10:16] <Witigonen> Though it worked on the livecd.
[10:16] <Tm_T> Witigonen: laptop?
[10:16] <Tm_T> ixion: roger that
[10:16] <Witigonen> Tm_T: Acer Aspire 1660.
[10:17] <Tm_T> Witigonen: so it's laptop? theres on/off switch for that touchpad?
[10:17] <Witigonen> My cordless external works, so that's good, but... :D
[10:17] <ixion> what Tm_T ?
[10:18] <Witigonen> Tm_T: I've never seen an on/off switch for the touchpad..
[10:18] <Tm_T> Witigonen: I have
[10:18] <Witigonen> Tm_T: Unless you're talking about in Ubuntu's config?
[10:18] <Tm_T> nope
[10:18] <Witigonen> Are you talking hardware or software?
[10:18] <Tm_T> hardware
[10:18] <jefis> I have too sound cards, and via, and cmi, primary is via, how to change to cmi????????
[10:18] <jefis> :)
[10:18] <Witigonen> Where would I find this?
[10:19] <_guMuTpoB> whats the requirements for kubuntu 5.04 install iso in regards of hdd space ? Whats the minimum size of partition for it to be installed ?
[10:20] <buz> i'd say under 5GB doesnt make much sense
[10:20] <Tm_T> Witigonen: I used to find it just above the touchpad
[10:20] <buz> but the real amount it needs is probably below that
[10:20] <_guMuTpoB> somewhere i read 1.8g but on a 2.3 it fails 
[10:20] <Beineri> The default packages use something in the 1.x GB range iirc
[10:21] <Witigonen> Tm_T: I have looked all over this laptop and cannot find any sort of switch for the builtin touchpad. 
[10:21] <Tm_T> Witigonen: ok, that usually helps such a thing
[10:21] <Tm_T> Witigonen: your touchpad is in sleep :p
[10:22] <Witigonen> Well, how do I fix it?
[10:22] <Tm_T> dunno
[10:22] <Tm_T> =)
[10:22] <Tm_T> use only bash!
[10:22] <Tm_T> ;p
[10:23] <Witigonen> Mm, not for my laptop... for other machines, sure, not my laptop.
[10:23] <ice_1963> how do i get cdrdao for k3b ????
[10:24] <Tm_T> ice_1963: apt
[10:24] <ice_1963> apt-get 
[10:24] <Tm_T> yes
[10:24] <ice_1963> ok
[10:24] <Tm_T> apt-cache search helps if you don't know right package
[10:25] <buz> or kynaptic, synaptic, kpackage if you like guis
[10:25] <Tm_T> plah
[10:25] <buz> i'd go with synaptic but its not installed by default
[10:25] <Tm_T> just confuse more
[10:25] <ice_1963> i'm going to do a apt-cache search for it
[10:25] <_guMuTpoB> ok, I also tried installing base packages (server install) and then sudo apt-get install kde-desktop as mentioned in an article, but it failed, but could not start X ? 
[10:26] <Tm_T> hm
[10:26] <Beineri> kde-desktop?
[10:26] <_guMuTpoB> kubuntu sorry :)
[10:27] <Beineri> how did it fail?
[10:27] <_guMuTpoB> any ideas what could have gone wrong ?
[10:27] <Tm_T> many things might go wrong
[10:27] <_guMuTpoB> x fails complaining about some authorisation error ?
[10:27] <Tm_T> muah
[10:27] <Tm_T> try init X as root
[10:28] <_guMuTpoB> I will, thx
[10:29] <Tm_T> np
[10:29] <Tm_T> oh, why people close their clients? :p
[10:31] <buz> weirdest thing in a long time http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
[10:32] <buz> but hey, more power to them, i'm waiting for the first 1TB drive ;-)
[10:33] <Tm_T> =)
[10:33] <Tm_T> hey, who's in IRCNet ?
[10:35] <Beineri> Tm_T: there is life outside IRC, maybe?
[10:37] <ice_1963> how can i get flashplayer
[10:38] <ice_1963> =)
[10:39] <buz> for what? firefox? konqueror?
[10:40] <hasanudin> any body helo me
[10:40] <Beineri> ice_1963: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[10:41] <Tm_T> Beineri: nh
[10:41] <Beineri> Tm_T: ?
[10:42] <Tm_T> nope
[10:42] <Tm_T> sorry, I irc in 15 finnish channel and in this one
[10:42] <Tm_T> so I might say something in finnish ;p
[10:44] <buz> how well is support for nforce4 boards in kubuntu?
[10:44] <ataxic> i'm on ircnet
[10:48] <kakalto> how can I make a program start on login, in kde?
[10:48] <Tm_T> ataxic: uh, you are from where?
[10:49] <ataxic> UK
[10:49] <Tm_T> kakalto: kde prog or else?
[10:49] <kakalto> else
[10:49] <Tm_T> kakalto: check KDE help
[10:49] <kakalto> .kde/autostart?
[10:49] <Tm_T> jep
[10:49] <Tm_T> just make link in there
[10:49] <Tm_T> or script
[10:50] <Tm_T> ataxic: hm, what irc server you use?
[10:51] <ataxic> irc.kolumbus.fi
[10:51] <Tm_T> ataxic: !
[10:51] <Tm_T> wtf from uk?
[10:51] <Tm_T> you don't have local?
[10:51] <ataxic> my friend lend me a bnc
[10:51] <Tm_T> uh
[10:51] <ataxic> local is ircnet.demon.co.uk
[10:52] <Tm_T> ataxic: I use kolumbus in my local clients :p
[10:52] <ataxic> i used to have an ISP which disconnected me every 2 hours
[10:52] <Tm_T> haha
[10:52] <Tm_T> nice
[10:52] <ataxic> not really
[10:52] <ataxic> :P
[10:52] <Tm_T> ok then
[10:53] <kakalto> how do I make konversation automatically have a smaller area for the names list?
[10:53] <Tm_T> ataxic: you have finnish friends?
[10:53] <ataxic> it was 24/7 access  so they disconnect ppl to get ports available again for other ppl
[10:53] <Tm_T> kakalto: use irssi ;p
[10:53] <ataxic> uh 2 yeh :P
[10:53] <kakalto> and you guys are meant to be kde people, gosh.
[10:53] <ataxic> maybe 3
[10:54] <Tm_T> ataxic: I just made #kubuntu.fi @ ircnet, welcome ;)
[10:54] <Tm_T> kakalto: yes!
[10:54] <Tm_T> kakalto: irssi is great in KDE ;p
[10:54] <kakalto> irssi is irritating :(
[10:54] <kakalto> it's good
[10:54] <kakalto> when I'm without GUI
[10:55] <kakalto> otherwise, I think I'll stick to xchat
[10:55] <buz> konversation is ok
[10:55] <Tm_T> plah, bloat
[10:55] <Tm_T> an local
[10:55] <Tm_T> +d
[10:56] <ataxic> just customize your irssi and save the settings for life :)
[10:56] <buz> is the airport in the ibooks supported by ppc kubuntu???
[10:58] <Tm_T> kakalto: what you're jumping to? ;)
[10:59] <Tm_T> ataxic: kustomize all your irssi ;)
[10:59] <kakalto> >_>
[10:59] <Tm_T> hmm, one of my irssi gonna go down in any moment
[10:59] <Tm_T> bye bye irssi uptime
[11:00] <spiral> hi
[11:00] <Tm_T> 12:00 Irssi uptime: 55d 14h 15m 52s
[11:01] <Tm_T> plah
[11:01] <Tm_T> hc rautaa kehiin!
[11:03] <ataxic> Irssi uptime: 31d 15h 3m 33s
[11:03] <ataxic> thats also the uptime of the box i think
[11:03] <Tm_T> ok
[11:03] <ataxic> ah no thats 41 days
[11:04] <Tm_T> =)
[11:04] <ataxic> i closed it by accident the other day
[11:04] <Tm_T> ataxic: where's that box ?
[11:04] <ataxic> undermy desk :P
[11:04] <ataxic> under my desk :P
[11:04] <Tm_T> ok
[11:05] <ataxic> i local ssh to that one and reattach the screen session
[11:05] <Tm_T> yes
[11:05] <ataxic> this box has like windows  netbsd qnx and linux on it
[11:05] <Tm_T> normal porcedure
[11:05] <Tm_T> wtf
[11:05] <Tm_T> I might need some sleep =)
[11:06] <Tm_T> ataxic: and where's your ircnet irssi?
[11:06] <ataxic> so i can resume irc session from anywhere without missing anything
[11:06] <Tm_T> ataxic: I got 3 irssi in screen
[11:06] <Tm_T> =)
[11:06] <ataxic> irssi is on my local freebsd box
[11:06] <Tm_T> hm
[11:06] <ataxic> thats the box under my desk
[11:06] <Rattboi> says on kubuntu 5.04 release that you can upgrade ubuntu to kubuntu
[11:06] <Rattboi> is it as easy as apt-getting kdebase?
[11:06] <Rattboi> or is there some more than that?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> kubuntu-desktop
[11:07] <Tm_T> ataxic [~ataxic@a80-186-62-66.elisa-laajakaista.fi ?
[11:07] <Rattboi> just that package will take care of everything?
[11:07] <Tm_T> Rattboi: yes
[11:07] <ataxic> Tm_T: yep
[11:07] <thoreauputic> afaik
[11:07] <Rattboi> cool
[11:07] <Rattboi> I'll be doing that tomorrow then, probably
[11:08] <Tm_T> ataxic: hmm, 80-186 should be in.... somewhere in helsinki ?
[11:08] <ataxic> i dont where in finland he lives
[11:09] <ataxic> all i know is that the winters are cold as hell :P
[11:09] <Tm_T> haha
[11:09] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[11:09] <Tm_T> there never cold as hell
[11:10] <ataxic> it is cold in scandanavia compared to our temperatures
[11:10] <Tm_T> if there's not like -30'c you don't even need much clothes
[11:10] <ataxic> minus 30 or smt stupid like that
[11:10] <Tm_T> heh
[11:10] <ataxic> our max is minus 10  but we rarely get to that
[11:10] <Tm_T> we used to play hockey in that kind of weather =)
[11:11] <Tm_T> I mean in -30 =)
[11:11] <ataxic> usually minus 6/7
[11:11] <ataxic> celcius
[11:11] <Tm_T> heh
[11:11] <Tm_T> that's almost too warm to icehockey
[11:11] <ataxic> 32x32 icons in kmenu are nicer
[11:12] <ataxic> hehe
[11:12] <Tm_T> ice is too soft usually
[11:12] <ataxic> we dont play icehockey
[11:12] <Tm_T> suckers ;p
[11:12] <ataxic> we sit and watch footie while having a pint
[11:12] <Tm_T> heh
[11:12] <Tm_T> football <3
[11:12] <mikl> ataxic: how do you make it use 32x32?
[11:12] <ataxic> didn't holland beat finlands arse the other day? :)
[11:13] <ataxic> mikl: one sec
[11:13] <Tm_T> ataxic: in football? maybe, haven't noticed
[11:13] <ataxic> in .kde/share/config/kickerrc
[11:13] <ataxic> under the header [menus] 
[11:13] <ataxic> MenuEntryHeight=32
[11:14] <ataxic> change it to 22  for 22x22 icons etc etc
[11:14] <mikl> ataxic: ah, sweet
[11:14] <ataxic> ShowMenuTitles=false  to remove those headers
[11:14] <ataxic> if they were still there
[11:15] <ataxic> Tm_T: cough  3 - 1 cough :)
[11:15] <ataxic> you in out qualifier group for the worldcup
[11:15] <ataxic> our
[11:16] <Tm_T> not new
[11:16] <Tm_T> but we make it someday!
[11:16] <Tm_T> you'll see!
[11:16] <ataxic> we didn't make it last time
[11:16] <Tm_T> =)
[11:16] <ataxic> we got our arse booted out :/
[11:16] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[11:16] <ataxic> a good thing tho
[11:17] <ataxic> because dutch players think once they get a spot in the squad they will never booted out  even when they play crap
[11:17] <Tm_T> haha
[11:20] <anso> hello?
[11:20] <kakalto> hello.
[11:21] <anso> hey! i've got a question
[11:21] <ataxic> an expression of greeting; "every morning they exchanged polite hellos"
[11:21] <anso> when i installed kubuntu it dont ask me for root pasword
[11:21] <kakalto> ataxic, minor bug, better report it: it's evening for me :P
[11:22] <kakalto> anso, root password is the same as your first user's password
[11:22] <anso> ap, ok thx
[11:22] <kakalto> have fun :)
[11:22] <Tm_T> heh
[11:23] <Tm_T> some people dont read readmes & faqs ?
[11:23] <kakalto> no
[11:23] <anso> no, console says: su: authentification failture
[11:23] <Tm_T> =)
[11:23] <anso> :S
[11:23] <kakalto> sudo <command> ?
[11:23] <Tm_T> anso: try passwd root if you want activate root user
[11:25] <anso> what? sorry, i'm spanish, my english is too bad
[11:25] <anso> what is activate a root user?
[11:25] <anso> i must activate it?
[11:26] <Tm_T> no need to
[11:26] <kakalto> just go "sudo <command>"
[11:26] <anso> how can i do it?
[11:26] <kakalto> whatever application/command you want, "sudo <command>"
[11:27] <anso> i must write sudo and the comand that i want to do?
[11:27] <kakalto> yes!
[11:28] <kakalto> I just told you like 3 times
[11:28] <anso> ap sorry!:P
[11:28] <anso> ok, it runs
[11:28] <Daehlie> anyone know how to make gtk applications use gtk themes under  kubuntu
[11:28] <anso> thenx!!!!!!
[11:28] <kakalto> you're welcome.
[11:29] <Beineri> Daehlie: gtk applications use gtk themes by definition :-)
[11:29] <Tm_T> =)
[11:29] <Tm_T> haha
[11:29] <Daehlie> Beineri: well then I was wondering how to change the default gtk theme since they use a different them in kde and in gnome
[11:30] <Tm_T> Daehlie: I do have gtk theme switch
[11:30] <Tm_T> just install it
[11:30] <anso> so... the apt-get install comand dont find me amsn!
[11:31] <anso> is it posible?
[11:31] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:31] <Beineri> Daehlie: the gtk-qt package contains a KDE control center module to change your gtk theme :-)
[11:31] <seven_six_two> anso, download the source and compile it by hand then
[11:31] <Tm_T> try apt-cache search ;)
[11:31] <anso> ok
[11:31] <seven_six_two> ./configure && make && make install
[11:32] <Tm_T> good morning america!
[11:32] <seven_six_two> or you could try kopete
[11:32] <Tm_T> this one goes for lunch ->
[11:32] <seven_six_two> how about me? i'm not in america
[11:33] <anso> i has try it, but i dont like...
[11:33] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: nobody is ;)
[11:33] <seven_six_two> lol
[11:33] <Tm_T> anso: use gaim
[11:33] <seven_six_two> gaim is good
[11:33] <Tm_T> yes
[11:33] <Tm_T> lunch ->
[11:33] <seven_six_two> i say get amsn and build it though
[11:35] <Beineri> amsn is in universe
[11:35] <anso> universe?
[11:35] <seven_six_two> eggcellent
[11:35] <anso> yes, it is so good
[11:36] <mikl> eggcellentt :)
[11:37] <mikl> I suggest we should add gtk2-engines-gtk-qt to main
[11:37] <mikl> :)
[11:38] <Beineri> anso: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:40] <Tm_T> bah, nuthin to eat
[11:40] <anso> ok, am going to read
[11:40] <seven_six_two> hmmm....no omniverse
[11:41] <Tm_T> hmh
[11:41] <Tm_T> why am I listening metallica?
[11:41] <seven_six_two> "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" movie is coming out soon!
[11:42] <anso> main component?
[11:42] <anso> how can i use it?
[11:43] <seven_six_two> use what?
[11:43] <seven_six_two> oh
[11:43] <seven_six_two> it just has to be in your sources list
[11:44] <seven_six_two> then synaptic or aptitude will contain those files too
[11:44] <anso> in this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view says something about main component
[11:44] <Tm_T> apt-get!
[11:44] <Beineri> main is default
[11:44] <seven_six_two> it's just the division of servers
[11:44] <anso> am, ok main is apt-ger
[11:44] <anso> ok ok
[11:45] <seven_six_two> if you have all of them in your sources list, they are all available
[11:45] <seven_six_two> and apt-get will work on them all
[11:46] <seven_six_two> like urpmi.addmedia added servers to your repository'
[11:46] <anso> urpmi.addmedia???
[11:46] <anso> i must write it on console?
[11:47] <seven_six_two> oh no sorry...thats the equivalent in mandrake
[11:47] <seven_six_two> check here...
[11:48] <anso> am
[11:48] <anso> check?
[11:48] <seven_six_two> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[11:48] <seven_six_two> and bookmark that page
[11:49] <anso> ok, thx
[11:49] <seven_six_two> np
[11:49] <Tm_T> um, looks like Kubuntu really is "my first linux" for many
[11:50] <Tm_T> Debian <3
[11:52] <anso> i can make the first comand in that page, but i can't make gedit
[11:52] <seven_six_two> Tm_T, totally
[11:52] <anso> anso@ubuntu:~$ sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:52] <anso> sudo: gedit: command not found
[11:52] <seven_six_two> try vim
[11:52] <Beineri> use nano, kwrite, whatever
[11:52] <Rattboi> no gedit?
[11:52] <Rattboi> weird
[11:52] <Beineri> seven_six_two: vim? do you want to make him unhappy? :-)
[11:52] <seven_six_two> actually..type  man vim
[11:52] <Rattboi> use nano
[11:52] <Beineri> Rattboi: it's Kubuntu, not Ubuntu
[11:53] <seven_six_two> Beineri, better unhappy now than when vim is all he has
[11:53] <Rattboi> Beineri: I thought that all the gnome stuff was still in Kubuntu
[11:53] <Rattboi> I thought it was Ubuntu + KDE
[11:53] <Beineri> Rattboi: no
[11:53] <Rattboi> not Ubuntu - Gnome + KDE
[11:53] <kbitty> is the fstab and nvidea problem fixed with kubuntu?
[11:53] <Rattboi> really?
[11:53] <Beineri> Rattboi: It's Ubuntu - GNOME + KDE by default
[11:53] <kbitty> the final release*
[11:54] <Beineri> Rattboi: with optional (+GNOME) :-)
[11:54] <Rattboi> so if I want both, can I just apt-get ubuntu-desktop + kubuntu-desktop?
[11:54] <Beineri> Rattboi: yes
[11:54] <Rattboi> ok
[11:54] <anso> i has made man vim
[11:54] <Rattboi> and I'm already running Ubuntu 5.04, so I just need to apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <Tm_T> yes
[11:54] <seven_six_two> that is the manual on using it
[11:54] <anso> what more i must do?
[11:55] <anso> ap
[11:55] <Beineri> Rattboi: trying to install what you have already install will never hurt :-)
[11:55] <seven_six_two> use vim instead of gedit
[11:55] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: why vim, why not nano
[11:55] <anso> and what is vim for?
[11:55] <seven_six_two> if you don't want to learn it, make sure you have a live cd or live dvd distro
[11:55] <Beineri> anso: for insaniac people
[11:55] <anso> insaniac??
[11:55] <seven_six_two> lol. it's easy once you know how
[11:56] <Beineri> insane
[11:56] <seven_six_two> vim is an editor, one of the smallest and most common
[11:56] <seven_six_two> any boot floppy should have it
[11:56] <Tm_T> Beineri: ooh, you are my guru!
[11:56] <Beineri> seven_six_two: smaller than nano? ;-)
[11:56] <seven_six_two> not sure. i'll check
[11:56] <anso> but i don't want to make a document, i must install amsn
[11:56] <seven_six_two> far more common at least
[11:57] <seven_six_two> lol. vim will help you edit your sources.list
[11:57] <Tm_T> argh
[11:57] <Tm_T> stop using "lol" please
[11:57] <Tm_T> just wink ;)
[11:57] <anso> am
[11:58] <seven_six_two> tee hee hee
[11:58] <anso> pff it is so dificult
[11:58] <Beineri> seven_six_two: 1088324 vim,  124515 nano  => vim is a fat beast :-)
[11:58] <anso> i have no idea to use vim and edit sources.list
[11:59] <Beineri> anso: install synaptic and use its repository configure dialog :-)
[11:59] <anso> ok, lets go do it
[12:00] <seven_six_two> is that for the whole package?
[12:00] <seven_six_two> anso, either will work, it seems nano is a bit easier
[12:01] <seven_six_two> but you should learn vim anyhow.
[12:01] <Beineri> seven_six_two: the binaries
[12:01] <seven_six_two> sudo nano sources.list
[12:01] <seven_six_two> hmm
[12:01] <anso> ok
[12:02] <seven_six_two> and just follow the directions on that website
[12:02] <seven_six_two> sorry about side track
[12:03] <anso> ok let's see
[12:05] <anso> i must write surces like this deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted or with # ???
[12:05] <MyKq3> hello 
[12:06] <seven_six_two> without. the # are to make a line inactive
[12:07] <anso> ok, i make #
[12:07] <seven_six_two> hiya MyKq3 
[12:07] <seven_six_two> no
[12:07] <mikl> can you use debian-packages with ubuntu?
[12:07] <vegetax> ahhrgg! my installation of kubuntu was perfect
[12:07] <vegetax> until i tested the damn sound
[12:08] <vegetax> grr
[12:08] <MyKq3> i don't know if its a Kubuntu question but i have some problems with konq.  when i try to enter some sites the whole system get stuck ... and i don't know what to do ( and there r all knind of small problems ) can i reinstall Kubuntu ?
[12:08] <seven_six_two> anso, the lines you need to use are the ones without # or ##
[12:08] <seven_six_two> MyKq3, you can, but when it gets stuck is the whole thing frozen?
[12:09] <MyKq3> seven_six_two,  yeah 
[12:09] <MyKq3> is it a known problem ?
[12:09] <vegetax> i get no errors, no problems, the sound is working acording to all programs, but i get NO sound
[12:09] <seven_six_two> does ctrl+alt+backspace  work?
[12:09] <vegetax> any ideas what to try?
[12:09] <MyKq3> seven_six_two,  no =\ nothing works 
[12:10] <anso> ok
[12:10] <seven_six_two> vegetax, check that your mixer isn't muted. a lot of times it is by default
[12:10] <Beineri> MyKq3: sites with plugins?
[12:10] <vegetax> with alsamixer?
[12:10] <MyKq3> the whole system is stuck ( though if i hear music then the music is keeping on playing)
[12:10] <seven_six_two> when it does that, you need to use the SysRq commands
[12:10] <MyKq3> Beineri,  i don't know 
[12:11] <Beineri> seven_six_two: somehow you're assuming that you have all experts here ;-)  (vim, sysrq, ...)
[12:11] <anso> i has made the sources.list, but how can i save it?
[12:11] <MyKq3> Kubuntu site get macks my sys stuck for e.g.
[12:11] <Beineri> MyKq3: check by disabling plugins
[12:11] <anso> it says that do 
[12:11] <seven_six_two> Beineri, i will explain if asked.
[12:11] <anso> ^o
[12:11] <MyKq3> hum... i will check it out :) thank 
[12:11] <seven_six_two> in sequence...:
[12:11] <anso> how can i do it?
[12:12] <Beineri> mhm, kubuntu site is rather simple web page
[12:12] <seven_six_two> Alt+SysRq+R
[12:12] <seven_six_two> S   E   I   U   B
[12:12] <seven_six_two> alt+sysrq+  r   s  e  i  u  b
[12:13] <Beineri> seven_six_two: "Where is that SysRq key on my keyboard?" :-)
[12:13] <seven_six_two> beside scroll lock
[12:13] <anso> ok, i has made ctrl+o
[12:13] <seven_six_two> anso, do o?
[12:13] <anso> it says me that what tipe of filename i want?
[12:14] <anso> dos?
[12:14] <seven_six_two> what says that anso?
[12:14] <anso> mac?
[12:14] <seven_six_two> ??
[12:14] <anso> i can do
[12:14] <anso> format mac
[12:14] <anso> format dos
[12:15] <seven_six_two> you lost me
[12:15] <anso> and other....
[12:15] <seven_six_two> don't format anything
[12:15] <seven_six_two> thats a bad idea i think
[12:15] <vegetax> damn , why is the freaking sound off by default? had to set all the options ON in alsamixer
[12:15] <anso> pff i don't know how expline it
[12:15] <anso> my ubuntu lenguage is not english
[12:15] <seven_six_two> vegetax, did you get it?
[12:16] <anso> i can't cut it and write hear
[12:16] <seven_six_two> oh. what are you trying to do? did you edit sources.list?
[12:17] <anso> yes
[12:17] <Soyburg> good morning
[12:17] <anso> i made save
[12:17] <seven_six_two> did you run gpg?
[12:17] <anso> and it apears something like...
[12:18] <anso> name of the file to write: sources.list
[12:18] <anso> and a lot of options
[12:19] <anso> A files
[12:19] <Tm_T> huoh
[12:19] <seven_six_two> click ok
[12:19] <anso> help
[12:19] <seven_six_two> or save
[12:19] <anso> no, it isn0t
[12:19] <seven_six_two> are you using nano?
[12:20] <anso> yes yes
[12:20] <Maiexus> uhm. where can I view the packages avaible (versions etc..) like in debian?
[12:20] <Maiexus> via the webinterface
[12:20] <anso> aaaa!! i has made it
[12:20] <anso> ok ok
[12:20] <anso> thenx
[12:20] <seven_six_two> np
[12:20] <anso> it is saved
[12:20] <Soyburg> I have a problem during the installation of kubuntu 5.04.  the installation tries to find DHCP, doesn't succed in that and then asks me to give a name for my computer, which I do, but still no success.  What do I do now?  Any ideas?  Or a link?
[12:20] <seven_six_two> you use router?
[12:21] <Soyburg> no, DSL modem.
[12:21] <Soyburg> via ethernet.
[12:21] <seven_six_two> wvdial
[12:21] <seven_six_two> you need a pppoe dialer
[12:21] <Soyburg> I had no problems with the live cd.  pppoeconf worked just fine.
[12:21] <Soyburg> But the live cd didn't ask me DHCP questions.
[12:22] <Soyburg> so do I skip these questions and proceed with the install?
[12:22] <seven_six_two> yes for now
[12:23] <Soyburg> do I have to set up networking after the installation or will that be taken care of?
[12:24] <seven_six_two> you prolly have to do it manually after
[12:25] <Soyburg> Ok, so I better write down all IPs.  It will be pretty hard to look up network addresses with no internet connection :)
[12:25] <vegetax> seven_six_two : yes , i setted up some rare options on the mixer and it worked, but just the PCM, and i cant control the volume!
[12:26] <vegetax> and i have the most common card, via2 ac97 
[12:26] <seven_six_two> pcm is what you need
[12:26] <vegetax> but i cant control the volume =(
[12:26] <seven_six_two> using gnome volume applet?
[12:27] <seven_six_two> or kmixer?
[12:27] <vegetax> i cant control with nothing, alsamixer, kmix 
[12:27] <seven_six_two> is it up full blast?
[12:27] <vegetax> no at medium
[12:27] <vegetax> very very rare
[12:28] <seven_six_two> there will be more than one relavant slider. one for source and one for output
[12:28] <vegetax> yea, there are a lot of them and tried enabling all of them
[12:28] <seven_six_two> then go into options im kmix
[12:29] <vegetax> i am not exactly a sound expert =P
[12:29] <seven_six_two> none actually adjust volume though?
[12:29] <vegetax> none of them
[12:29] <seven_six_two> what are you playing music on?
[12:30] <vegetax> i tried all the output, input and switches that are in kmix
[12:30] <vegetax> kaffeine, madplay, mpg321 all the same
[12:30] <kakalto> wtf is wrong with this
[12:30] <seven_six_two> vegetax, what sound server are they outputting to?
[12:31] <vegetax> oss
[12:31] <vegetax> i will try alsa
[12:31] <seven_six_two> ok
[12:32] <Soyburg> bye seven_six_two :)
[12:32] <Soyburg> and thanks 
[12:38] <Albertoz> hi all
[12:38] <Albertoz> anybody with kubuntu ppc?
[12:40] <seven_six_two> nope
[12:40] <seven_six_two> well not me i mean
[12:41] <vegetax> seven_six_two: master not working , PCM working but no volume and VIADSX is the only one works
[12:41] <vegetax> and kaffeine can set the sound
[12:41] <vegetax> i dont know what it sets
[12:42] <seven_six_two> green lights are on for pcm?
[12:42] <vegetax> do you have the same card? ac97
[12:42] <vegetax> yep
[12:42] <seven_six_two> yes i do
[12:42] <seven_six_two> msi kt4v mainboard
[12:43] <seven_six_two> via ac97 5.1 audio
[12:43] <vegetax> is the same on all them
[12:43] <seven_six_two> but i'm in ubuntu and i'm using the esd
[12:43] <Beineri> Maiexus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:43] <vegetax> esd doesnt work for me
[12:43] <vegetax> =(
[12:44] <seven_six_two> in kde i used arts
[12:44] <kakalto> bleargh
[12:44] <vegetax> can you send me your card configuration?
[12:44] <vegetax> lol
[12:44] <kakalto> kde is strange
[12:44] <seven_six_two> i would if i knew where it was. wait a sec
[12:45] <vegetax> ok
[12:49] <seven_six_two> esd for output...oss for input
[12:50] <anso> hello
[12:51] <anso> i am the boy with sources.list
[12:51] <anso> problems
[12:52] <anso> i has a new idea
[12:52] <vegetax> mmm, how do i put different servers?
[12:52] <anso> can something send me their sources.list file?
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats wrong with your sources anso?
[12:53] <anso> i was adding new servers manualy, but now it don't run...
[12:54] <anso> can someone send me his sources.list file?
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant, mine are customised by me. and im running ubuntu ;) 
[12:55] <anso> ok
[12:56] <anso> anyone more?
[12:56] <anso> please..
[12:56] <seven_six_two> vegetax, sudo dmesg | grep via
[12:57] <anso> seven_six_two, you remember me?
[12:57] <Beineri> Kamping_Kaiser: where do ubuntu and kubuntu sources.list differ?
[12:57] <anso> etc/apt/sources.list
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> im guesing one points to ubuntulinux.org and one to kubuntu.org, apart from that i dont know ;) 
[12:57] <seven_six_two> i remember, but i use ubuntu too
[12:58] <Beineri> Kamping_Kaiser: you're wrong.
[12:58] <anso> pufff
[12:58] <seven_six_two> when you saved your list, was a backup file created?
[12:58] <anso> nop
[12:58] <seven_six_two> are you sure?
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> beineri. ok. i can live with that
[12:58] <vegetax> seven_six_two: via82xx: Assuming DXS channels with 48k fixed sample rate.
[12:58] <anso> when i make sudo apt-get update it don't run
[12:59] <vegetax> i have to change the rate to 44?
[12:59] <seven_six_two> no 48 is ok
[12:59] <vegetax> the one that gives me sound is DSX 1
[12:59] <seven_six_two> if it's full is it loud?
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> beineri. so they both point at ubuntu?
[01:00] <vegetax> yes, i can change DSX 1
[01:00] <Beineri> Kamping_Kaiser: both use the same repository because they are the same :-)
[01:00] <vegetax> but no PCM
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:00] <seven_six_two> interesting
[01:01] <vegetax> but kaffeine is not using DSX 1
[01:01] <seven_six_two> with dsx 1 on full, no other switches or sliders do anything good?
[01:01] <vegetax> cause when i disable it still sounds
[01:01] <vegetax> nop
[01:01] <vegetax> but kaffeine is using something thats not DSX 1
[01:02] <seven_six_two> what is it?
[01:02] <seven_six_two> isn't dsx an input?
[01:02] <vegetax> i dont know, "any" change in the mixer doesnt affect kaffeine
[01:02] <vegetax> except turning off PCM
[01:03] <vegetax> so rare!
[01:04] <vegetax> i think something is messy with the drivers
[01:05] <vegetax> =(
[01:05] <seven_six_two> the dsx sliders are all on the right side?
[01:05] <seven_six_two> dxs
[01:06] <seven_six_two> hahaha  i am so tired
[01:06] <vegetax> all are set to max
[01:06] <vegetax> lol
[01:06] <seven_six_two> can you turn those all off?
[01:06] <seven_six_two> i never used them when i was in kde
[01:06] <vegetax> yea, no sound
[01:07] <vegetax> whats DSX anyway?
[01:07] <seven_six_two> what is input set to in mixer?
[01:07] <seven_six_two> i have no clue. thats why i never used them. they were always off 
[01:07] <vegetax> all input is off 
[01:08] <seven_six_two> with volume down too
[01:08] <seven_six_two> off?
[01:08] <seven_six_two> no not volume input
[01:08] <seven_six_two> or line in
[01:08] <seven_six_two> in settings
[01:08] <seven_six_two> or preferences
[01:08] <vegetax> ahh , the switches
[01:09] <vegetax> everything is off
[01:09] <vegetax> the only thing is enabled is master and PCM
[01:09] <vegetax> if i put them on it makes no difference
[01:10] <seven_six_two> i suppose all you can do is play. i thought there was a drop down menu somewhere to select
[01:10] <seven_six_two> alsa or arts or oss
[01:10] <seven_six_two> is kde sound server enabled?
[01:10] <seven_six_two> arts?
[01:10] <vegetax> in kmix? nop
[01:11] <vegetax> in kaffeine you mean?
[01:11] <seven_six_two> it'd be in your system settings
[01:11] <anso> can someone send me his /etc/apt/sources.list for kubuntu please??????????
[01:11] <anso> can someone send me his /etc/apt/sources.list for kubuntu please??????????
[01:12] <Maiexus> get in kubuntu/ubuntu the adb-events on powerbooks captured allready? is it setuped properly?
[01:12] <seven_six_two> can you run aptiva
[01:13] <seven_six_two> sudo aptiva
[01:13] <seven_six_two> anso
[01:14] <anso> yes?
[01:14] <anso> aptiva?
[01:14] <anso> me?
[01:14] <seven_six_two> can you    sudo aptiva
[01:14] <seven_six_two> yes
[01:15] <seven_six_two> vegetax, play with the settings...you should be able to get it to work
[01:15] <anso> anso@ubuntu:~$ sudo aptiva
[01:15] <anso> sudo: aptiva: command not found
[01:15] <anso> :S
[01:15] <seven_six_two> oops
[01:15] <vegetax> i will keep trying different combinations
[01:15] <seven_six_two> i mean    sudo aptitude
[01:15] <vegetax> thanks for the help
[01:15] <seven_six_two> np
[01:16] <anso> ap, ok
[01:16] <Tm_T> wtf
[01:16] <Tm_T> can't be true
[01:16] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[01:16] <Tm_T> still using only 140M RAM =)
[01:16] <seven_six_two> hahaha
[01:16] <seven_six_two> pretty good
[01:16] <Tm_T> and all this candy and programs =)
[01:16] <Tm_T> too damn good
[01:16] <seven_six_two> i liked the candy
[01:17] <Tm_T> when it's this light, I love <3
[01:17] <seven_six_two> i dl'd a broken iso so it didn't install properly
[01:17] <seven_six_two> my fault for not checking md5 key
[01:18] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: thats why you should order free shipping ;)
[01:18] <Tm_T> lets say, 20 ubuntu sets ;)
[01:18] <Tm_T> like I did
[01:19] <anso> it apears a text windows saying: E: type 'cdrom: [kubuntu 5.04 _hoary hedgehog_ - relase i386 (20050407)] ' is not known on line 1 in source list /atc/apt/sources.list
[01:19] <anso> E: the list sources could not be read
[01:20] <seven_six_two> Tm_T, i just ordered 10
[01:20] <seven_six_two> but got antsy and downloaded it too
[01:20] <anso> what???
[01:21] <seven_six_two> anso, edit it again and delete that section or put # at start of each line in that section
[01:21] <anso> ok
[01:23] <anso> it run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[01:23] <seven_six_two> I'm going to give them all away
[01:23] <anso> thenx!!!!!!! seven_six_two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:23] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: I'm gonna keep all 20 by myself ;)
[01:23] <seven_six_two> did you add all of the sources in that list?
[01:23] <anso> no
[01:23] <seven_six_two> you should add them all
[01:24] <anso> i has deleted ir because i thinked that it was the problem
[01:24] <anso> ok, let's go
[01:24] <anso> what was the page?
[01:24] <Tm_T> ok, some idle ->
[01:24] <seven_six_two> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:25] <seven_six_two> Tm_T, you don't want other people to use it? that's kindof opposite to the spirit of free software
[01:26] <seven_six_two> it's not like you can't copy it 100 times
[01:26] <seven_six_two> i've already converted 3 to linux
[01:27] <anso> it run!!!!!!!!!!
[01:27] <anso> thenx!!!!!!!!!!
[01:27] <seven_six_two> now run those 3 commands
[01:28] <seven_six_two> he'll be back
[01:28] <Tm_T> seven_six_two: it was joke ;)
[01:28] <Alex_Palex> hey people
[01:28] <seven_six_two> ah lol.
[01:28] <Tm_T> did you see ;) in hte end of the line?
[01:28] <seven_six_two> i'm too tired 
[01:29] <Tm_T> me too
[01:29] <seven_six_two> hmmm
[01:29] <Tm_T> no sleep long time
[01:29] <seven_six_two> nope. i didn't see that
[01:29] <Tm_T> 14:24 < Tm_T> seven_six_two: I'm gonna keep all 20 by myself ;)
[01:29] <Tm_T> you see it now?
[01:29] <seven_six_two> i should increase my font size when i sit back
[01:29] <Tm_T> heh
[01:29] <Tm_T> no need to, 8 is enough
[01:30] <seven_six_two> it's 12 now
[01:30] <Tm_T> huh, that's huge!
[01:30] <seven_six_two> 21" monitor
[01:30] <Tm_T> =)
[01:30] <_guMuTpoB> can any1 tell me how to check the integrity of my kubuntu burned iso ? still having problems installing this distro
[01:31] <Tm_T> i Was goin ->
[01:31] <seven_six_two> _guMuTpoB, there is a md5 key that is available
[01:32] <seven_six_two> and k3b will give you one from the iso
[01:33] <_guMuTpoB> when I burned it with k3b md5 was fine, after that i really doubt anything could have gone wrong, but will check anyway
[01:33] <buz> what's the name of the kernel package?
[01:35] <buz> stupid me.
[01:35] <buz> obviously its called linux
[01:37] <ChrisGraz> hi! what do you guys think of the proposal to replace kynaptic with synaptic with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt? I'd like to see that in the next release, since Kynaptic is really not there (yet?) It doesn't even give you feedback when it installs the packages, nor has it an update-notification..
[01:38] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: synaptic hasn't update-notification either ;-)
[01:39] <ChrisGraz> yeah you're right - but i guess the update-notification relies on it? well ok to be honest I have no clue how it works :) I just know it's not in Kubuntu :) But that's not a big problem for me ;)
[01:39] <ChrisGraz> The other think I really miss is having Firefox. Yes, I did install it, but I think it would probably be better if it
[01:40] <ChrisGraz> were in kubuntu too, per default. That would make it more consistend with Ubuntu/Gnome and would be just nice - Ubuntu does not include Epiphany either. :) Ok, but besides that I think Kubuntu is fine...
[01:40] <ChrisGraz> oh yeah and the last thing I noticed is that USB-Hotplugging does not work without former editing of fstab...hm, ok for me, but for the average john doe..
[01:41] <ChrisGraz> btw: excuse my spelling :)
[01:45] <ChrisGraz> alright, not much of a discussion right now, hm? I guess it may be just too early for ppl in a US timezone? :)
[01:46] <seven_six_two> 746am here
[01:46] <Beineri> you think (K)ubuntu is US-centred? :-)
[01:46] <wpyle> ChrisGraz, did you try installing pmount? that should mount stuff automatically without dorking with the fstab
[01:47] <uniq> hello guys.
[01:47] <ChrisGraz> no :)
[01:47] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: and discussing about a future release in a support channel is not so clever either ;-)...
[01:47] <ChrisGraz> oh no - thanks for the tipp, I'll try
[01:48] <ChrisGraz> alright I guess I should go to #kubuntu-devel? I'm pretty new to IRC..
[01:48] <ChrisGraz> cuz on planet.ubuntu.org Jonathan said "Find us in #kubuntu if you have ideas to make Kubuntu Breezy the best operating system there is."...I was thinking it's weird that it's not #kubuntu-devel..
[01:48] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: best chances for a reply is devel mailing list I guess. Not that I think your proposal will find much sympathy :-)
[01:50] <ChrisGraz> yeah I know..this is kind of an religous issue .. gnome vs. kde (synaptic/kynaptic)...but Firefox? Come on :) Ok, at least it should be easily installable, probably the gtk-to-qt-engine installed by default? Cause if I just install mozilla-firefox, it does not look like it fits in the desktop.. :(
[01:50] <Beineri> There is no need for Firefox, kynaptic will be improved and a Kubuntu update-notifier is planned anyway...
[01:51] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: maybe if you help Mozilla/Qt project... ;-)
[01:51] <ChrisGraz> ok...the latter two are cool....
[01:51] <seven_six_two> i just used konqueror for everything
[01:52] <ChrisGraz> but I really think Firefox is needed..since it became some kind of 'standard', and new users who switch from windows are most often used to it...well but I know, I can install it :)
[01:52] <seven_six_two> i like the   gg:   does google search
[01:52] <Maiexus> but I wonder, if it's such a big problem to include a gtk-plugin into a qt-enviroment... is it really impossible?
[01:52] <ChrisGraz> seven_six_two: i know that something like this exists in firefox too...
[01:52] <Beineri> Maiexus: why ship a gtk plugin when it doesn't ship a single gtk application?
[01:53] <uniq> maiexus: what gtk plugin? - gtk engines to make gtk apps look better? 
[01:53] <ChrisGraz> or another posibility would be to have a mozilla-firefox-qt in universe, which is precompiled for KDE integration? would be *really* nice :)
[01:53] <Maiexus> no
[01:53] <seven_six_two> you can browse files, but not as comfortably to me
[01:53] <Maiexus> to include gecko-engine into, well Konqueror istead of khtml
[01:53] <seven_six_two> way more options in konq
[01:54] <uniq> beineri: because most users will start one or more gtk apps in the near future after installation.. and will think kubuntu sucks since fedora does this.. and we dont.
[01:54] <ChrisGraz> beineri: well I thought..so people can install gnome-apps more easily...but ok, they can apt-get it anyway..but what about a qt-firefox (or a 'normal', non-gtk-firefox) as alternative..
[01:54] <ChrisGraz> uniq: yeah, that's what i thought too..
[01:54] <Maiexus> gtk suxx.. the look of it is just terrible.
[01:54] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: as said, help the mozilla/qt project to create your qt-firefox, qt-thunderbird, qt-whatever...
[01:55] <Beineri> ChrisGraz: Kubuntu cannot include something which doesn't exist.
[01:55] <Maiexus> well. I don't want to have a full qt version of firefox
[01:55] <ChrisGraz> uniq: my first thoughts were kubuntu sucks, when i tried out firefox with gtk-support..now i did some research and know better, what's the problem, but it can scare some ppl away
[01:55] <Maiexus> just the engine in konqueror
[01:55] <ChrisGraz> beineri: ok...I'm gonna do some research on this. I just thought I've read something about this, so I thought it exists already
[01:56] <Beineri> Maiexus: gecko kpart is part of same project
[01:56] <uniq> maiexus: with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt we can make gtk2 apps look a bit better.. 
[01:56] <uniq> in a kde environment.. anyway.
[01:57] <spiral> hi
[01:57] <spiral> still any new of the DVD for kubuntu hoary ?
[01:57] <Beineri> spiral: still no DVDs up
[01:58] <spiral> Beineri: all right... I'll wait
[01:58] <Beineri> spiral: except the snapshots..
[01:59] <Riddell> spiral: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/
[01:59] <Beineri> spiral: you may pull those and if they are different to released ones rsync later
[01:59] <spiral> Beineri: I'll wait for a final version if it is going to emerge...
[01:59] <Maiexus> is it possible to install (k)ubuntu with the install-cd completly via net, like the debian net install version?
[01:59] <ChrisGraz> yes, uniq, I think that would be a good thing to do...well i'm new to the development process, so i dont know if its gonna happen, but at least i'm gonna try it out for myself as soon as i'll get back to my hoary box..
[01:59] <Riddell> nobody's been able to test them yet
[02:00] <ztonzy> Riddell, congrat to full release :)
[02:00] <Riddell> thanks ztonzy 
[02:01] <uniq> maiexus: you can install 'server', which is basically just the base-system.. and then install what you like from apt-get, or aptitude or similar.
[02:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey
[02:03] <Maiexus> uniq: ah, is there a app like tasksel?
[02:03] <apokryphos> mornin' ztonzy :)
[02:04] <ztonzy> apokryphos, late up ?
[02:04] <uniq> maiexus: you can always apt-get install tasksel.
[02:05] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Yeah, did a "night shift" at work yesterday, so only really slept when I got home
[02:05] <Maiexus> ah, uh yes. 
[02:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, aah
[02:24] <_dave> hello
[02:24] <Oorworm> het is gelukt, de nvidia install
[02:24] <smouche> hello _dave, er, hello 0orworm...
[02:24] <Oorworm> hehe
[02:25] <Oorworm> nu hopen dat dat ding hier niet meer crashed
[02:27] <Maiexus> alway amusing to listen to the dutchs language :] 
[02:33] <Tm_T> not
[02:33] <buz> did anyone ever manage to build qemu emulator on ubuntu?
[02:33] <Tm_T> qemu?
[02:34] <ChrisGraz> buz: i guess its in universe, see http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/qemu
[02:34] <buz> just plain qemu in there and a buggy version on top of that
[02:35] <buz> i want the kqemu accellerator (turns qemu into sort of vmware)
[02:35] <buz> no debs anywhere and my build doesn't work
[02:36] <ChrisGraz> oh cool never heart of kqemu
[02:36] <buz> fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/kqemu-doc.html
[02:38] <buz> mhh maybei i should build a kernel first lol
[02:40] <ChrisGraz> *g*
[02:51] <buz> sheesh just how long will it take to build the kernel on a 2ghz machine???
[02:51] <buz> seems like its taking forever
[02:52] <ataxic> hour or so
[02:52] <ataxic> 2 hours maybe
[02:52] <buz> sheeesh
[02:52] <ataxic> yep
[02:53] <buz> building the freebsd kernel on the same machine takes like 10minutes or so
[02:53] <ataxic> i never have to recompile, stuff works for me
[02:53] <buz> seems like building kernel modules needs the kernel to be built...
[02:53] <ataxic> buz: slightly longer 
[02:53] <ataxic> but its only 30 minutes or smt
[02:54] <ataxic> i hate linux kernel compiles
[03:08] <Maiexus> well
[03:08] <Maiexus> the trick is, that you just use, what you really need
[03:08] <Maiexus> why in hell you should recompile your kernel then?
[03:10] <Maiexus> but I get stuck in compiling the latest 2.6er with the prepatch... still getting errors and wile patching it detecs some parts beeing patched before.... gee
[03:20] <buz> Maiexus: i want to use kqemu
[03:20] <buz> which needs to build its own kernel module
[03:20] <buz> and refuses to do so without a full kernel build around
[03:32] <shogouki> !tld se
[03:40] <Oorworm> hi
[03:40] <Oorworm> i get an sigsegv error when playing an mp3 from my ntfs drive
[03:40] <Oorworm> how can i resolve this?
[03:41] <apokryphos> membreya: Amaranth Altheae, any Rade icons (search for that on kdelook), Exquisite, Korilla, Cezanne, Nuvola, Pastels-Nuvola
[03:41] <apokryphos> some there
[03:42] <membreya> roger that :)
[03:44] <apokryphos> membreya: bakkakke is a great karamba theme like the one you have
[03:44] <apokryphos> after a bit of tweaking of xmms -> amaroK ;-)
[03:47] <SpookyET> Hi.
[03:48] <SpookyET> Is there a 686 build of kubuntu on some 3rd party site?
[03:50] <Beineri> SpookyET: of what packages? all?
[03:50] <SpookyET> all
[03:50] <Beineri> why? :-)
[03:51] <SpookyET> It will run faster.
[03:52] <Beineri> SpookyET: and you think you would notice it for packages other than kernel or libc? :-)
[03:56] <Beineri> then for sure you don't want to miss some special compiler option too? :-)
[03:57] <membreya> apokryphos: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16114
[03:57] <apokryphos> membreya: hmm?
[03:57] <Beineri> membreya: for what is that good for?
[03:58] <membreya> transulency :)
[03:58] <apokryphos> There's better guide on ubuntu forum
[03:58] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell membreya ubucomposite
[03:58] <Pyre> membreya: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
[03:58] <Beineri> membreya: it's contained in KDE 3.4, right?
[03:58] <apokryphos> kcontrol options for it go real well
[03:59] <membreya> ahuh, alphablending :)
[04:01] <membreya> apokryphos: got a link for bakkakke?
[04:02] <segfault2k> apokryphos: wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaap dude
[04:03] <apokryphos> %kdelook bakkakke
[04:03] <Pyre> Bakkakke - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18936
[04:03] <apokryphos> segfault2k: hey :)
[04:03] <Beineri> segfault2k: the Oxford English contest, you loose :-)
[04:04] <apokryphos> Beineri: l[o] ses too ;-)
[04:04] <Beineri> apokryphos: but rank better than you
[04:05] <segfault2k> [10:03]  <Beineri> segfault2k: the Oxford English contest, you loose :-)<- ah? :S
[04:05] <segfault2k> %kdelook segfaultcl
[04:06] <apokryphos> I guess it doesn't exist :P
[04:09] <apokryphos> smouche: what happened?
[04:09] <membreya> bakkakke doesn't display uptime :( ?
[04:10] <smouche> apokryphos, I wish I knew.  Windows box, ntfs drive -- maybe that's all the answer required, right there...
[04:10] <apokryphos> membreya: hmm, I guess not. It's *very* easy to add though
[04:10] <apokryphos> smouche: Were you partitioning?
[04:11] <smouche> the drive just disappeared from the lan, and showed up on system as "healthy" but with raw file system
[04:11] <segfault2k> Beineri: 
[04:11] <segfault2k> [10:03]  <Beineri> segfault2k: the Oxford English contest, you loose :-)
[04:11] <segfault2k> :S what's that
[04:11] <smouche> nope, not partitioning, pretty new drive, only one partition on it
[04:11] <apokryphos> segfault2k: just commenting on your wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaap -- not in the dictionary, I take it :P
[04:11] <segfault2k> ahah
[04:11] <segfault2k> XD
[04:11] <apokryphos> %dict wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
[04:11] <Pyre> apokryphos: Couldn't find an entry in the dictionary for 'Wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaap'
[04:12] <apokryphos> yup
[04:12] <smouche> I had been streaming video and audio from it to my linux laptop, no problem
[04:12] <smouche> the drive was insanely hot
[04:12] <apokryphos> Sounds very odd to me; no idea hwo that happened
[04:12] <apokryphos> oh :-o
[04:13] <smouche> I had some viruses on the windows box; don't know why they picked that drive though... 
[04:14] <apokryphos> :(
[04:14] <smouche> damn, that's a lot of data to lose; fortunately the  bulk of it was just video experiments, and pvr stuff...
[04:15] <smouche> I'm assuming this was not a message from konqi saying "lose the windows crap, loser!"
[04:16] <smouche> well, apokryphos , the good news (sniffle) is I now have 230 gigs of free storage to play with...
[04:17] <apokryphos> =)
[04:18] <membreya> apokryphos: I tried that translucency trick ..my system almost had a heart attack
[04:18] <membreya> but I get extremely poor performance video wise
[04:19] <apokryphos> eek. Do you use Nvidia?
[04:19] <membreya> ahuh :) amd64 3200 w/ geforce 4000 MX .... I get 400fps in glxgears if I'm lucky
[04:19] <membreya> so my system doesn't do 3d right now :P
[04:20] <smouche> I am assuming that if the drive is showing as "raw", there's no way in hell to retrieve data, am I right?
[04:20] <apokryphos> Are the drivers installed, and, did you enable nvidia acceleration?
[04:20] <apokryphos> smouche: where is it showing up as "raw"? There are companies that specialise in data retrieval, though =)
[04:20] <membreya> yup, drivers installed, by nvidia acceleration you're referring to renderaccel?
[04:21] <membreya> apokryphos: lol, those companies charge up the wazoo
[04:21] <apokryphos> yeah, in your xorg.conf
[04:21] <membreya> renderaccel causes my system to crash :)
[04:21] <smouche> apokryphos, in windows properties for the drive.  Never mind!  thanks for the sympathy...  ;-|
[04:22] <apokryphos> membreya: very odd. Works pretty nicely here with it, though I don't normally have it turned on.
[04:22] <apokryphos> smouche: Yeah, I think it does then. :|
[04:22] <membreya> apokryphos: it causes most of my kde apps to close and in gnome it causes my browsers to lock 
[04:22] <membreya> i figure i won't care until I get a better vid card :)
[04:23] <smouche> yup.  windows is leaving that box.  (just hope that it's not a defective drive that's gonna flake out again even with linux.  It did get really really hot...)
[04:23] <binux> what is a good video to get (for 3d )
[04:23] <membreya> 6800 :P
[04:25] <membreya> i think it may be time to ditch windows..it's stealing 21gb :)
[04:26] <apokryphos> heh
[04:26] <membreya> if only there was an easy way to merge partitions :\
[04:27] <smouche> there's no chance that streaming video off an ntfs drive on my lan to my linux box could have trashed the ntfs file system, is there?  using smb-client
[04:28] <apokryphos> membreya: you can use qtparted... delete the one and then resize
[04:28] <apokryphos> but in my experience partitioning has always been a little dodgy. 
[04:34] <membreya> apokryphos: isn't qtparted buggy?
[04:35] <apokryphos> it is? I generally have problems with partition programs around 50% of the time; whether it be with qtparted or PartitionMagic
[04:45] <kkathman> g'morning or g'evening where ever you are :)
[04:45] <membreya> howdy :)
[04:46] <kkathman> hey there membreya !
[04:46] <membreya> how goes it ?
[04:46] <smouche> ok, I'm partitioning a 230 gig drive, other than a seperate /home partition, what other linux directories would be advantageous to have on their own partition? /var?  /usr? 
[04:47] <smouche> I'm very confused about the whole linux directory business...
[04:47] <apokryphos> I really only tend to have three partitions -- /, /home and SWAP. 
[04:47] <kkathman> howdy smouche :)
[04:47] <apokryphos> some have /boot as one (100 megs or so), but not really necessary
[04:47] <smouche> hey, kkathman!
[04:47] <kkathman> hey apokryphos  :)
[04:47] <_kay> hello people
[04:48] <apokryphos> hi :)
[04:48] <kkathman> what confuses you smouche?
[04:48] <membreya> i find windows more confusing :P
[04:48] <apokryphos> smouche: I pretty strongly recommend having a bifurcation for /home and / 
[04:48] <smouche> apokryphos, any advantages to a /boot partition-- does that mean I would install the bootloader there if multibooting?
[04:48] <smouche> kkathman, I was wondering about optimal partitioning schemes...
[04:49] <apokryphos> smouche: If you specify it there, yes. But generally bootloader goes on the master boot record 
[04:49] <_kay> depends largely on what you are trying to achieve
[04:49] <kkathman> ahh...man the first time I really go involved with Linux I remember that they urged to make a separate boot partition, but I dont think thats necessary anymore.
[04:49] <smouche> yeah, apokryphos -- that much I know ! ;-)  that's what I'm using on my laptop, but I know some people have partitions for various things besides that
[04:50] <smouche> and I'm not clear about why...
[04:50] <_kay> with grub, you don't really need it
[04:50] <GNAM> how much big is mbr?
[04:50] <GNAM> it's a kind of "hidden partition" ?
[04:51] <_kay> it's one block, I think
[04:51] <smouche> heh heh, my most used winXP command lately :  "fixmbr"
[04:51] <kkathman> ugh
[04:51] <kkathman> were you able to recover your drive last night smouche?
[04:52] <apokryphos> smouche: http://pw1.netcom.com/~kmself/Linux/FAQs/partition.html suggests some reasons... but I personally would just stick with / and /home
[04:52] <smouche> kkathman, no, alas.  Thanks for asking...
[04:52] <smouche> thanks apokryphos !
[04:52] <kkathman> aawww... ugh..I have to try to do that for a client today
[04:52] <kkathman> Dang e-Machines!
[04:52] <smouche> I am now reformatting a 230 gig drive.
[04:52] <kkathman> There needs to be a law against selling those
[04:53] <kkathman> fortunately drives are pretty reasonable now
[04:54] <smouche> I lost all my Blakes 7 episodes!!!!  oh, the pain... 
[04:54] <kkathman> lol
[04:54] <kkathman> someone on #ubuntu had a crash last night too, and was distrought that he lost all his porn
[04:54] <smouche> ouch
[04:54] <apokryphos> haha
[04:55] <smouche> Blakes 7 is porn!
[04:55] <kkathman> ohhh
[04:55] <kkathman> had no idea :)
[04:55] <segfault2k> xD
[04:56] <smouche> I lost, it appears, hundreds of hours of recorded internet radio, mostly french.  damn, I thought that was on another drive.
[04:57] <kkathman> Yanno, one thing that really sorely lacks in computing today is low cost, effortless back up...there's just no really good solution for the average user
[04:57] <smouche> I don't know whether to be pissed at maxtor, or windows, or a possible virus, or my power supply, or, remote possibility, my samba shares? for trashing that drive
[04:57] <kkathman> without having to buy 100 CDs .. your average joe just doesnt know enought
[04:58] <smouche> kkathman, you're right, no media can keep up with the size of these freakin' drives...
[04:58] <smouche> I should learn how to use a raid system
[04:58] <kkathman> smouche...well maxtor isnt a bad brand. But like I tell everyone..computers are reliable, but like anything else, they WILL wear out at some point
[04:59] <smouche> this was my newest drive!  while an ancient 60 gig drive is going strong!
[04:59] <kkathman> Unfortunately, they are not graceful when they DO wear out....much like a lightbulb.
[05:00] <kkathman> I pretty much have western digital in my computers...they've always been extremely good for me
[05:00] <segfault2k> haha
[05:01] <smouche> scary part of it is, I want to purge windows from that box, and reformat two smallish drives, which means backing up to the drive that just flaked out, after I reformat it.   fear and loathing... ;-(
[05:01] <kkathman> ewwwwwwwwwwww....risky :)
[05:01] <smouche> yeah, I should be another damn drive.
[05:02] <smouche> buy, I mean
[05:02] <kkathman> you should be one too
[05:02] <kkathman> lol
[05:02] <kkathman> well maybe not
[05:02] <kkathman> we wouldnt want you crashing about
[05:03] <smouche> I'm feeling pretty raw...
[05:03] <smouche> and unformatted right now
[05:05] <smouche> can overheating erase a file system?  I mean, I would understand if the drive just fell apart, bad sectors etc, but suddenly a raw drive listed by windows as "healthy"?  how does that happen?
[05:07] <smouche> I've never tried to mount any of my windows partitions in linux; just access them via smb-client on my laptop-- kubuntu couldn't have messed with that drive could it?
[05:14] <kkathman> smouche: I wouldnt think o
[05:14] <kkathman> so
[05:15] <kkathman> I still have major problems getting my windows and linux box to share things
[05:16] <kkathman> I let ubuntu set up samba out of the box..and I can copy things from any windows box to Linux. But my windows boxes cant "see" my Linux box at all
[05:16] <smouche> well, hopefully I'll be able to wean myself off windows almost completely, except for a small partition on a couple of laptops for use at work...
[05:17] <smouche> kkathman, yeah, that's exactly my situation.  
[05:17] <kkathman> I can do everything in Linux I previously did in Windows except graphics work...theres just not a functional analog in Linux to Flash and Photoshop :)
[05:18] <kkathman> There is absolutely NO analog to Flash, and GIMP isnt even 1/10th the program Photoshop is.
[05:18] <smouche> since I'm not really into games, I can pretty well dispense with windows, at least till I have time to figure out wine, etc
[05:18] <smouche> gimp confuses me.
[05:19] <kkathman> well, its similar to PS, same concepts, but just isnt all that powerful quite yet
[05:19] <smouche> kkathman, I hope sometime in the not too distant future, svg graphics programs will be an alternative to flash.
[05:20] <kkathman> I actually dont even use Flash, I use a product called SWISHmax
[05:20] <smouche> svg is catching on slowly though, it seems
[05:20] <kkathman> SWISHmax is like putting a super design layer over Flash and increasing the productivity by 100fold
[05:20] <kkathman> and it still produces an SWF
[05:21] <kkathman> smouche: so I just create my graphics on my win box and then copy the finished product over to my Linux system and continue from there
[05:23] <smouche> never tried wine with SWISHmax, kkathman?
[05:23] <kkathman> nope
[05:23] <kkathman> I have heard that wine is a bit unpredictable
[05:23] <kkathman> but thats just what I heard
[05:25] <smouche> yep, me too.  It's very hit and miss, I hear.
[05:25] <kkathman> so I'll just stick with the windows version right now
[05:26] <smouche> damn, I forgot!   I need windows on my desktop box to watch tv!  freakin' ati all-in-wonder cards aren't supported in linux...
[05:27] <smouche> I suppose I could get a cheap tuner card for linux...
[05:27] <kkathman> smouche: Yah its interesting, Linux does tend to lag behind with regard to video things I have experienceed smouche
[05:28] <kkathman> if you dont do anything really fancy, Linux seems to handle it ok, but things like nvidia and specialty cards and even video are really a nuisance for it
[05:28] <smouche> ati seems to be the prime culprit there., actually
[05:29] <mikl> ati is /the/ culprit
[05:30] <smouche> the only thing that I really give credit to windows for is the font rendering.  It's tricky to get linux fonts looking decent.
[05:30] <mikl> they've only managed to get their linux-support-level just over "unworkable"
[05:30] <kkathman> smouche: thats very true...the fonts in LInux do seem to be very odd in applications
[05:30] <smouche> I'm an idiot for having invested in a new ati card just a couple months before diving into (k)ubuntu
[05:31] <CellarDoor> hey everyone
[05:31] <CellarDoor> mmm ati is evil
[05:31] <kkathman> howdy there CellarDoor 
[05:31] <CellarDoor> howdy
[05:31] <kkathman> but ATI is very popular and they are pretty good boards too
[05:32] <smouche> anyone want to buy my ati aiw card? ;-)
[05:32] <CellarDoor> has anyone tried the new live CD yet ?
[05:32] <CellarDoor> I stick with nvidia cos it works
[05:32] <kkathman> CellarDoor: I havent ..I put together a computer last weekend and loaded hoary up...
[05:32] <CellarDoor> oh the new live CD is great, Im gonna make copies for all my friends
[05:33] <kkathman> yeah but nvidia and LInux have that love-hate releationship
[05:33] <CellarDoor> nah, its all good
[05:33] <mikl> Have you ever seen a live CD in it's natural habitat?
[05:33] <CellarDoor> ?
[05:34] <kkathman> I'll bet we get more questions in here and #ubuntu everyday regarding nvidia drivers for Linux
[05:35] <smouche> I need to get the nvidia binary...
[05:35] <mikl> kkathman: well, I had it running real smoothly while I was on gentoo
[05:35] <mikl> kkathman: wasn't all that difficult to set up, you just need proper documentation :)
[05:35] <smouche> just to see if things work better than with the default... (I have nvidia on my amd64 laptop)
[05:35] <CellarDoor> I lurve the live CD, gonna install kubuntu after work tomorrow
[05:36] <smouche> CellarDoor, congrats!  you'll love it
[05:36] <CellarDoor> :D
[05:36] <kkathman> mikl: I understand, Im not saying that it doesnt work, just that we get alot of questions asked about it :)
[05:36] <kkathman> CellarDoor: go get you a cheap pc and put the real thing on it...you'll love it even more :)
[05:37] <mikl> well, for all the gamers, 3D-accelleration is the first thing they think of, so...
[05:37] <kkathman> just dont buy an e-Machines
[05:37] <CellarDoor> Im really impressed with how fast KDE 3.4 is on the live cd
[05:39] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: pretty darn fast, isn't it? I was real surprised too
[05:39] <smouche> the nvidia sound system in my laptop is awesome.  I am very very pleased with that.  I didn't know nvidia did sound...
[05:39] <apokryphos> CD was slow starting up, but after that... very nice.
[05:39] <CellarDoor> yeah
[05:40] <mikl> only thing that bothers me about kubunu is what they've done with kdm :)
[05:40] <CellarDoor> Im gonna give this live CD to one of the girls at work (she's been interested in trying linux), I know the performance will just blow her  away
[05:41] <kkathman> Someone should write a document called "Samba for Dummies" cuz thats the way I feel :(
[05:41] <apokryphos> mikl: hey, the KDM theme is nice!
[05:41] <mikl> kkathman: lol :)
[05:41] <Beineri> mikl: what do you mean?
[05:41] <mikl> apokryphos: well, the background is grainy in 1280x1024 and I miss the facebrowser :)
[05:42] <apokryphos> same resolution here; hmm, on some parts it is a little grainy (while logging in)
[05:42] <apokryphos> you can change your KDM theme, though ;)
[05:42] <kkathman> All the Samba things I read, seems to want to configure your Linux box to be the center of everything, and I just want it to be another box on my network.
[05:42] <Beineri> mikl: not sure if the themed greeter support user list (yet), but you can switch back to classical greeter.
[05:43] <mikl> Beineri: yea, I know - I was just trying to give a bit of feedback :)
[05:43] <kkathman> mikl: if you go to KDE-look,org they have wallpapers and themes just for 1280 x 1024...thats what I did
[05:43] <Beineri> mikl: give it to the kdm developers :-)
[05:43] <smouche> I can't understand why gradients look so bad on my system...
[05:44] <_ReDRuM_> anyone know how to forcibly close a gnome apps window under kde?
[05:44] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: strg-alt-esc and shoot at it? :-)
[05:44] <_ReDRuM_> strg?
[05:44] <thingy> _ReDRuM_: xkill ?
[05:44] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: ctrl-alt-esc that is for you
[05:44] <_ReDRuM_> oh
[05:44] <_ReDRuM_> no :)
[05:44] <smouche> would anyone know how to get the special volume control buttons on my hp laptop to work with linux?  can they?
[05:45] <CellarDoor> start up ksysguard and kill the process
[05:45] <_ReDRuM_> i kill -9'd the process
[05:45] <_ReDRuM_> the window's sitting there
[05:45] <apokryphos> kcontrol doesn't seem to have a shortcut for volume... 
[05:45] <_ReDRuM_> process is dead
[05:45] <apokryphos> if you're using amaroK you can use the global shortcut in there though
[05:45] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: see above, no need to serach for process number :-)
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> Beineri: heh i guess thanks for the tip... im just addicted to the console :)
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> ps -A f is just as quick as ctrl+esc
[05:46] <Beineri> apokryphos: open the kmix window and right click a slider to configure shortcuts
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> oh wait
[05:46] <mikl> apokryphos: how do you change the KDM theme, then?
[05:46] <smouche> no, apokryphos -- I mean the hardware application buttons on the laptop... not keybindings
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> i get a death icon with the alt key?
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> beineri: that is a cool tip
[05:46] <_ReDRuM_> thanks :D
[05:46] <CellarDoor> ok so Im a n00b, but pointing and clicking in ksysguard does the job so pfft
[05:47] <_ReDRuM_> bahahah
[05:47] <_ReDRuM_> sweet.
[05:47] <apokryphos> Beineri: cool, and there was me looking in Settings... will have to tell ztonzy when he's in
[05:47] <_ReDRuM_> Beineri: thats the best tip all day :D
[05:47] <apokryphos> mikl: if you go to kdelook.org and go to the KDM themes section, in almost any theme there there's instructions on how to isntall
[05:48] <Beineri> dunno who has a need for shortcuts for every channel/audio source :-)
[05:48] <CellarDoor> have anyone installed libdvdcss ?
[05:48] <kkathman> aRGH!!!!
[05:48] <mikl> CellarDoor: can't find it in the repo's :/
[05:49] <CellarDoor> nooooo !
[05:49] <kkathman> I dont know why samba visibility is only one way!!
[05:49] <smouche> I just want my hardware volume controls to work...
[05:49] <mikl> kkathman: It's a Microsoft-protocol, go figure ;)
[05:50] <Beineri> mikl: there is no GUI to change the theme of the themed kdm greeter (yet)
[05:50] <kkathman> mikl: but samba isnt....its a universal protocol that microsoft supports
[05:50] <_ReDRuM_> anyoen know if stab has to be world readable?
[05:50] <_ReDRuM_> fstab*
[05:51] <CellarDoor> no one's found libdvdcss anywhere ?
[05:51] <Beineri> mikl: 3rd party, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[05:52] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: uhm, why make it not world readable?
[05:52] <shogouki> CellarDoor: search for hoary-extras
[05:52] <Beineri> CellarDoor: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[05:52] <_ReDRuM_> Beineri: cause i want to be bad and stick passwords in it
[05:53] <CellarDoor> ooh thanks Beineri
[05:55] <kkathman> mikl: SMB is sometimes referred to in Windows as CIFS (Common Internet File System) which is an internet standard network file system definition based on SMB, or NetBios, which was the original SMB comm protocol
[05:56] <_ReDRuM_> CIFS is referred to as CIFS under linux too :)
[05:56] <_ReDRuM_> SMB is a different (albeit mostly compatible) protocol and even has a seperate kernel module
[05:57] <kkathman> Not according to published sources
[05:57] <kkathman> there are some variants based on each OS.... i.e. slight variations for Win9x, Win NT, Windows ME (why?), Windows 2000 and Win XP
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> ... what sources the one's i've read all refer to CIFS as CIFS and SMB as SMB since CIFS is extended and you can't necessarily access all CIFS servers with SMB
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> win 2000 and up all use CIFS
[05:58] <CellarDoor> oh how this thang just kicks butt !
[05:59] <kkathman> ReDRUM - the source I usually refer to is the current LInux Bible by Chris Negus
[05:59] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kshot.jpg
[05:59] <segfault2k> how's it?
[05:59] <kkathman> but eveyone has their own I suppose :)
[05:59] <_ReDRuM_> linux bible :) guess he just thinks of it as "that windows SMB shit"
[05:59] <CellarDoor> good book ?
[06:00] <kkathman> well, not exactly, theres about 20-30 pages on samba in it
[06:00] <_ReDRuM_> samba is shite
[06:00] <_ReDRuM_> use NFS
[06:00] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[06:00] <_ReDRuM_> anyway - CIFS is extension of SMB but it's not SMB you can't always access CIFS server with SMB
[06:01] <kkathman> yah Im coming to that conclusion and I'd love to use NFS :)
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> try it yourself
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> NFS is mad fast
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> brb
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> easy too
[06:01] <_ReDRuM_> much easier than samba
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> hello
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> anybody
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> how to set proxy for my apt ?
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> i put it in bashrc
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> but still useless
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> :(
[06:03] <|-HendricK-|> cannot resolve
[06:04] <CellarDoor> night all
[06:05] <|-HendricK-|> anybody ?
[06:11] <kkathman> ReDrum...Im reading about NFS now
[06:11] <|-HendricK-|> :(
[06:11] <|-HendricK-|> no respond
[06:11] <|-HendricK-|> :(
[06:18] <|-HendricK-|> any body got any idea what is wrong with this ? Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Could not resolve '8080'
[06:18] <gdh> sounds like someone's tried to configure a proxy and failed
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> yup
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> how ?
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> i put it in my bashrc
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> export http_proxy
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> but cannot for apt
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> :(
[06:19] <_P_> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[06:19] <_P_> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> if i try wget www.yahoo.com the proxy works
[06:19] <_P_> my sound card  stop  to  work 
[06:19] <|-HendricK-|> and for konquerer it works
[06:20] <_P_> after  the  last  upgrade
[06:21] <gdh> |-HendricK-|: man apt.conf
[06:21] <gdh> |-HendricK-|: plenty of info about proxies in there
[06:23] <|-HendricK-|> where is this apt.conf file lie at usually ?
[06:24] <|-HendricK-|> seems like i have no apt.conf file
[06:27] <gdh> |-HendricK-|: then create one /etc/apt.conf :)
[06:28] <mikl> things are often less complicated than it seems in linux :)
[06:28] <gdh> sorry, /etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:28] <gdh> says so in the FILES section of 'man apt.conf' (at the very bottom)
[06:29] <gdh> |-HendricK-|: Also see the EXAMPLES section of the manpage
[06:29] <|-HendricK-|> ok
[06:29] <|-HendricK-|> thx
[06:29] <|-HendricK-|> then ? source it ?
[06:29] <gdh> sometimes, the docs are all there for you :)
[06:29] <gdh> no, use it as a guide to write your own
[06:29] <surfbum> i'm new 2 ubuntu and can't get java installed
[06:29] <surfbum> any ideas
[06:30] <|-HendricK-|> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:30] <|-HendricK-|> surfbum : www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:30] <surfbum> thanks
[06:31] <surfbum> i like this o/s very fast
[06:32] <surfbum> it looks like everything thing you have to install manually
[06:32] <surfbum> thanks again
[06:34] <Tm_T> hello
[06:34] <Saeed_Bak> Any suggestions to a GUI firewall on Kubuntu? After going from Ubuntu Hoary to Kubuntu my Firestarter doesn't work
[06:39] <Tm_T> uh, Firestarter does work fine
[06:40] <buz> offtopic, but does anybody know when socket 939 semprons will be released?
[06:41] <Prophet> hi
[06:41] <membreya> hiya Prophet 
[06:42] <Prophet> knnt ihr einen stream per kaffeine aufnehmen ?
[06:42] <Prophet> bei mir gibts dann einen crash
[06:43] <buz> doesn't work
[06:43] <buga> Saeed_Bak: have a look at guarddog (universe). i haven't tried it, but I heard a lot goot words about it.
[06:43] <buz> use mplayer
[06:44] <Prophet> kk
[06:44] <buz> and btw: english is preferred
[06:45] <Prophet> ok
[06:46] <freeformation> hullo
[06:47] <freeformation> kubuntu doesnt prompt for a root pw
[06:47] <freeformation> so what is the default pw for 'su'
[06:47] <mikl> freeformation: there is no root account pr. default
[06:48] <mikl> freeformation: but if you want one, just do "sudo passwd"
[06:48] <gdh> A better idea is to wean yourself off a 'root password' completely...
[06:48] <mikl> true
[06:49] <freeformation> k
[06:49] <freeformation> andn go full sudo 
[06:51] <Prophet> i cant find mplayer for kubuntu !
[06:54] <freeformation> apt-get!
[06:55] <gdh> mplayer won't be included because of the same licensing problems which causes it not to be included in Debian
[06:55] <hunger> Wow, #ubuntu is noisy!
[06:55] <gdh> yes it is :)
[06:56] <mikl> most large channels are :)
[06:56] <_gary> ok why do you say that ?? =)
[06:57] <hunger> That and general laptop stuff like hibernate, etc.
[06:58] <freeformation> how can i enable auto-login without having su pw?
[06:58] <hunger> freeformation: The su passwd is the one of the user logged in.
[06:58] <hunger> freeformation: You should know that one;-)
[06:58] <regeya> I see all sorts of people asking for neat things; hell, I'd just be happy with kipi-plugins. ;-)
[06:58] <_ReDRuM_> gotta get rid of this crappy accuqa theme
[06:58] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: post to forums?
[06:59] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Uhm... forums suck.
[06:59] <_ReDRuM_> none the less it's an easy option
[06:59] <regeya> .
[06:59] <mikl> hunger: technically, forums are inanimate objects, completely unable to "suck" ;)
[06:59] <regeya> now THERE's constructive criticism!
[07:00] <gdh> haha :)
[07:00] <_ReDRuM_> technically forums don't exist there's fora but forums? nope.
[07:00] <mikl> true dat
[07:00] <gdh> Not true, forums is a valid plural
[07:00] <regeya> a forum is only as good as the people involved.  if you know how to make the forums "suck" less, go ahead, otherwise, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
[07:00] <gdh> fora sounds uber-1337 though :)
[07:00] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: fora is the valid plural
[07:00] <_ReDRuM_> maybe in your bastardized american dictionaries forums is ok :)
[07:00] <Tm_T> hi _ReDRuM_ 
[07:01] <gdh> I'm British, thanks :)
[07:01] <regeya> this from a guy with the nick _ReDRuM_
[07:01] <hunger> mikl: Yeap, you are right... That makes it so much more surprising that they do suck so much, isen't it?
[07:01] <_ReDRuM_> gdh - good.
[07:01] <gdh> =)
[07:01] <mikl> hunger: yes, it is indeed a wonder of nature :)
[07:01] <_ReDRuM_> regeya: what from a guy with a nick redrum? :P)
[07:01] <regeya> again, if you're doing nothing to improve the quality of a particular forum, you're part of the problem.
[07:02] <_ReDRuM_> freet goto bed :)
[07:02] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:02] <hunger> mikl: And they actually are not even inannimate objects... in fact they do not exist in any physical form.
[07:02] <freet> _ReDRuM_ nah :d
[07:02] <regeya> yikes.
[07:02] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I slept a while, feel much better now =)
[07:02] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: good stuff
[07:03] <narg> Wow... this is the wierdest thing I've seen in a long while: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
[07:04] <regeya> did I miss a memo about archive.ubuntu.com being down or something?
[07:04] <_ReDRuM_> whats the thing you set to stop bash cashing paths again?
[07:05] <regeya> cashing paths?
[07:05] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[07:05] <regeya> cashing?
[07:05] <_ReDRuM_> cache
[07:05] <_ReDRuM_> when it finds an executable it remembers its location
[07:06] <_ReDRuM_> regeya: k, you do that.
[07:06] <_ReDRuM_> nobody know?
[07:06] <Tm_T> ?
[07:07] <regeya> would 'cashing' be the proper UK way of spelling 'caching'?
[07:08] <_ReDRuM_> regeya: obviously not
[07:08] <kkathman> so did the ubuntu site go down I guess
[07:08] <regeya> that would be my guess
[07:08] <mikl> but nevertheless, he probably did mean 'caching'
[07:08] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: Hey I read about NFS and i cant get it to where the linux box is visible on the network
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: rpcinfo -p ?
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> paste in #flood
[07:09] <kkathman> i already uninstalled it
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> no wonder you cant make it work :)
[07:09] <kkathman> ROFL
[07:09] <kkathman> I mean before silly :)
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[07:10] <kkathman> It seems that for some reason, windows XP has an aversion to an external NFS
[07:10] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: I could go set it up again if you think we could get it working
[07:11] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: sure
[07:11] <mikl> everything can be made to work, it's just a question of effort (in the linux-world, that is)
[07:11] <_ReDRuM_> hash -r was what i was looking for
[07:12] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: so I'll go and install the nfs common and nfs kernel again real quick... 
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> you also need rpc.portmap
[07:12] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: do I need to disable samba?
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> nope
[07:12] <gdh> there's no need to use the nfs-kernel-server -- nfs-user-server will work fine nowadays
[07:13] <gdh> it starts up a lot faster :)
[07:13] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: when you install nfs-common it installs portmap
[07:13] <_ReDRuM_> ok... :)
[07:13] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: gimme a sec to reinstall
[07:14] <clayasaurus> hi
[07:14] <mikl> clayasaurus: hi there :)
[07:15] <clayasaurus> why isn't cdrdao package part of ubuntu/kubuntu ? 
[07:16] <clayasaurus> it is required by k3b, which comes with kubuntu
[07:16] <mikl> now, that's a good question
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> cdrecord also works with k3b
[07:16] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: ok I got those two packages installed
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: sec im only passing the screen :)
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> *goes for a smoke*
[07:17] <kkathman> k
[07:18] <clayasaurus> ok, because when i first start k3d it complains that it needs cdrdao : ) so i just grabbed a random debian package and installed
[07:18] <^jude^> hi, can someone help me out with a sudo problem?
[07:19] <^jude^> I have just installed kubuntu for the first time, and can't get at the network settings because it doesn't accept my password...
[07:19] <^jude^> any advice?
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> sudo -s
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> enter YOUR password not root
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> then passwd
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> and enter a password for root
[07:20] <^jude^> I was doing it through the kde control centre, and the admin moode button rejected my password
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> the network settings probably want a root password
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> so goto a terminal and type "sudo passwd"
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> and set a root passwd
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: ok
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> rpcinfo -p
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> paste in #flood
[07:21] <InitMass> skype looks very ugly after the upgrade. how do i get the fonts and icons smaller again?
[07:22] <Tm_T> hm
[07:22] <candyban> Is there a graphical (kde) frontend for apt?
[07:23] <_ReDRuM_> candyban: kynaptic comes with kubuntu but its crappy so get kpackage
[07:23] <InitMass> candyban, synaptics
[07:23] <_ReDRuM_> InitMass: synaptic is for the gnomes :)
[07:23] <smouche> synaptic is great, kynaptic is krappy
[07:24] <ThatGuy> key is kunbuntu ubuntu afiliated with mepis
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: theyre both crappy kpackage > both
[07:24] <smouche> I'll check it out _ReDRuM_
[07:24] <ThatGuy> is kunbuntu ubuntu afiliated with mepis
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: you'll spin out by not being able to right click on packages though :) it's only the last remenants of synaptic in you and it will pass :) click the install button or the "mark" column to mark packages
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> ThatGuy: not that im aware
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> and mepis has crappy hardware support
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> do yourself a favour use kubuntu <3
[07:25] <clayasaurus> also, it would be nice to have sdl image part of ubuntu/kubuntu : )
[07:26] <ThatGuy> I notice a link to Mepis on ubunto site so I think maybe they are afiliated with each other in some manner
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> ThatGuy: id imagine it doesnt extend beyond both being debian-based.... i could be wrong but i never heard of such a thing
[07:26] <^jude^> okay, I set a root password, now the kde control centre doesn't ask for a password when i click on the admin button, just says loading and stops dead (not crashed)
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> ^jude^: bizarre... restart kde and it should ask you for your root password
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> maybe you put too many wrong passwords into it
[07:27] <^jude^> only 2 - mine and the new root one - will try cycling login
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> its the root one you want
[07:28] <^jude^> noted
[07:28] <smouche> thanks _ReDRuM_ 
[07:28] <Tm_T> :)
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: you're welcome :)
[07:28] <^jude^> can't login to kdm as root
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> ^jude^: dont do that!
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> good!
[07:28] <^jude^> hehe
[07:28] <Tm_T> kids..
[07:28] <Tm_T> =)
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> root is only for messing with system settings
[07:29] <Kortor> hi
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> use it as little as possible
[07:29] <Legion> gah
[07:29] <Legion> someone is using this name
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> hello kotor
[07:29] <Kortor> hi redrum
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> your name is almost KOTOR
[07:30] <^jude^> _ReDRuM_, I'm logged in as myself now...
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> starwars knights of the old republic :)
[07:30] <Kortor> what is kotor
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> ^jude^: good shot - now run whatever wanted a password before
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> and give it the root password
[07:30] <d> Hi!
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: - starwars knights of the old republic game
[07:30] <ThatGuy> _ReDRuM_ you nick is almost MurDer like the Jack Nicholson movie shining?
[07:30] <Tm_T> Kortor: o/
[07:30] <Kortor> redrum: heh
[07:31] <^jude^> it was kde control centre, network settings, and since i gave root a password it has stopped asking for one - can i undo that maybe?
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> yeh like the kubric move, the steven king novel, etc
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> the horse..
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> ^jude^: your probably told it to remember the root password
[07:31] <clayasaurus> anyone else having trouble loading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/? I get "timeout on server, connection was to port 80". i can load any other webpage fine
[07:31] <Kortor> Monday I get access to my kubuntu box
[07:32] <_ReDRuM_> theres a little box to tick saying "remember password"
[07:32] <d> I can't get DVDs to play with the multiverse MPlayer, even though they play OK (but jerkily) under xine
[07:32] <d> Complains about the sound decoder
[07:32] <^jude^> _ReDRuM_, no, i never ticked that :)
[07:32] <smouche> wow, _ReDRuM_  -- this thing kpackage is awesome...
[07:32] <Tm_T> smouche: no, apt-get is awesome
[07:33] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: it will serve you well until it becomes quicker to just type "apt-cache search" "apt-get install" and "apt-get remove"
[07:33] <d> Anyone got DVD playback working under Mplayer?
[07:33] <Tm_T> =)
[07:33] <ThatGuy> well I was just wanting to know for sure or not if Kubuntu Ubuntu was afiliated with Mepis since they had a link on there web site to Mepis,I get the feeling they are in kahoots together for some reason
[07:33] <Tm_T> ok, I'm gonna idle ->
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> ThatGuy: i hope not
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> mephis is crap
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> im sure they meant well but it's a poor, poor product
[07:34] <smouche> love the way kpackage hyperlinks stuff in the info pane; much quicker to find out what I want to know than using synaptic
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> i tried it before kubuntu - i wish that was the other way around :)
[07:34] <^jude^> disabled root login with "sudo passwd -l root" - now i get asked for a password again, but it doesn't accept mine
[07:34] <ThatGuy> I guess no one actually knows for sure so I think I will just go on my sense  of assumption
[07:35] <candyban> Why can't any distro start with numlock enabled by default?
[07:35] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: yeh its quite cool :) definately the best GUI tool
[07:35] <_ReDRuM_> ThatGuy: if you can't find it on either pages press release that's highly unlikely
[07:35] <d> also, the rarewares repository doesn't work with ubuntu. Is there a rarewares/ubuntu? I need musepack etc.
[07:35] <_ReDRuM_> i've not seen it mentioned anywhere on the (k)ubuntu site or canonical ltds
[07:36] <candyban> Where is xine?
[07:36] <^jude^> is there another way to configure the network settings, besides the kde control centre?
[07:36] <d> candy: xine-lib comes with kubuntu, but you need to download its interface seperately (xine-ui or something)
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> xine-ui - the xine video player, user interface <---- whatever its called im sure that brings it in
[07:37] <anna> Hello, any chance default Kubuntu will do Microsoft VPN style?
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> anna: use openvpn its better
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> it works on microsoft too
[07:37] <anna> _ReDRuM_: Will it connect to my company server?
[07:37] <candyban> d: What kind of balony is that? I thought (k)ubuntu was so much better than debian?
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> anna: not if theyre using m$ style vpn
[07:38] <anna> they are :( _ReDRuM_ 
[07:38] <_ReDRuM_> it's a completely different product
[07:38] <_ReDRuM_> google for "linux vpn howto" it's possible i just dont remember how
[07:38] <anna> ok... thank you
[07:39] <_ReDRuM_> yw, some of those howto's are dated but then again the system is dated :0 try and find a 2002 revision
[07:39] <_ReDRuM_> i think its like 4 or 5th link
[07:40] <clayasaurus> is ubuntu's server down? i can't load their website (i want to post on the feedback wiki)
[07:40] <anna> thanks _ReDRuM_ , found it
[07:40] <_ReDRuM_> np
[07:40] <^jude^> is there another way to configure the network settings, besides the kde control centre?
[07:42] <mikl> clayasaurus: I think it's somewhat /.'ed 
[07:42] <mikl> there's been a lot of fuss about ubuntu the last few days :)
[07:49] <whiskers> blenderhead, that is a funny nick
[07:49] <blenderhead> why's that?
[07:50] <whiskers> already 91 people in here + the 500 in ubuntu...this stuff is catching up with gentoo
[07:50] <whiskers> the head part is funny
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> like the canonical guys said
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> this should be one of the main 3 distros
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> theres no reason why it cant be
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> its easily good enough
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> and they have 39 paid developers working on it :)
[07:51] <mikl> true dat
[07:51] <mikl> is really is good
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> gentoo plays a good role i think
[07:51] <mikl> I just wish they'd spend less time on gnome and more on KDE :)
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> but its for people who like screwing around with linux
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> it's not amazing for just running as a system
[07:51] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, well gentoo has to experiment with the latest libraries and no one else can do that
[07:52] <mikl> gentoo has many strongpoints, but I found it to be too much of a hassle
[07:52] <_ReDRuM_> why not? i can compile from source on these other boxes too
[07:52] <whiskers> mikl, well i found it to take too large a hard drive
[07:52] <_ReDRuM_> i found it to constantly break things for no apparant reason
[07:52] <_ReDRuM_> like id change nothing execpt emerge --sync from one build of the world to another
[07:53] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, you never build  world on gentoo
[07:53] <_ReDRuM_> and then it wouldnt work the next time i tried , revdep-rebuild didnt help and i was constantly digging around for errors
[07:53] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, never never
[07:53] <mikl> whiskers: not to mention the enormous overhead of compiling everything - for an update-junkie like me, that would be up to 10 compiles a day
[07:53] <xmorph> hi, is there a mirror list available, ubuntu.org is unreachable... :(
[07:53] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: your supposed to be able to emerge -uDNav world
[07:53] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, because each compile may have some messages inside the compile telling you to do this or that 
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> check the forums your supposed to be able to update world...
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> aand the gentoo handbook
[07:54] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, and you have to watch each app very close because you only get a few seconds to read and understand what to do
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: nohup emerge -uDNav world&
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> come back...
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> vi nohup.out
[07:55] <mikl> _ReDRuM_: there was actually a nice tool for catching enotices - "enotice" :)
[07:55] <_ReDRuM_> without being able to build world gentoo is pointless :)
[07:55] <_ReDRuM_> mikl: handy
[07:55] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, no not at all...it is the easiest way to get the latest apps working
[07:56] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, but you have to do each library and each app separately
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: hence... updating world should allow you to upgrade all the apps at once
[07:56] <mikl> whiskers: not true, or at least, it shouldn't be :)
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: i can see you are saying "if you take care and screw around with it doing it step by step it's mostly ok" however thats not how its SUPPOSED to work
[07:56] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, you cannot do that...because again in the middle of just one app..you have to go and do things
[07:57] <mikl> whiskers: you ever heard of enotice
[07:57] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: you cant say its how its supposed to work because that contradicts the gentoo handbook
[07:58] <mikl> but for all it flaws, I might very well use gentoo again for some purposes - but not for desktop machines
[07:58] <narg> Hrm, in amarok, when I try to play, it says: Gstreamer error: Oss device /dev/dsp is in use by another program.
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: regardless, doing things ocassionally like rebuilding mod_php broke mod_php for no reason, revdep-rebuild wouldnt help, it is a nightmare that is for tampering with things only
[07:58] <narg> Nothing but kde is running.
[07:58] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, i can say from experience...i dont need a handbook....just compile python and watch it tell you to go here or there and run python-updater
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: i dont care about how you limited gentoos brokenness the fact it doesnt work as described means its unfit for purpose.
[07:59] <mikl> narg: change amaroK to use arts as output :)
[07:59] <candyban> Where can I find libdvdcss ?
[08:00] <crimsun> candyban: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:00] <whiskers> candyban, you are in Germany...does your law allow libcss
[08:00] <mikl> candyban: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[08:00] <narg> mikl: Only gives output as osssink, gconfsink, autoaudiosink and nasssink.
[08:01] <narg> It was working fine yesterday too...
[08:01] <candyban> mikl: thanks
[08:01] <_thomas> evening
[08:02] <_thomas> how can I get a TRASH ICON on the desktop?
[08:02] <narg> heh, Im apt-get reinstalling amarok, and hoping it reverts to the working default it was at before...
[08:03] <gdh> you could try creating a new URL shortcut with a URL of trash:/ 
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: all that gentoo talk had me typing emerge into the console instead of apt-get :/
[08:04] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, that is funny
[08:04] <mikl> _ReDRuM_: old habits die hard :)
[08:04] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[08:04] <gdh> alias emerge "sleep 500 && apt-get'
[08:04] <gdh> :)
[08:04] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: good idea :)
[08:04] <_ReDRuM_> alias emerge='echo no'
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> alias emerge='echo Error: bad command and foolish operator'
[08:05] <_thomas> where can i find the icons?
[08:05] <mikl> I'm still on gentoo-withdrawal too, I still keep thinking whether I should leave my computer on overnight for compiling openoffice or whatever :)
[08:06] <gdh> _thomas: edit the properties and just click the icon - it should bring up an icon browser
[08:06] <glass-eye> wth...ubuntu didn't let me set a root password
[08:06] <gdh> glass-eye: correct. get over it :)
[08:06] <_ReDRuM_> glass-eye: sudo passwd
[08:06] <gdh> glass-eye: your user account already has full sudo access
[08:06] <whiskers> mikl, if i had another computer i would like to see gentoo again....but i don't  so i am pleased with the limited selection on ubuntu and it doesn't take a big hard drive
[08:06] <glass-eye> _ReDRuM_: i know...but still... :)
[08:06] <mikl> sigh, this no-root-user-policy is kinda smart, but tends to be kinda annoying having people ask about it all the time :)
[08:06] <glass-eye> gdh: yes, i noticed that 
[08:07] <glass-eye> mikl: :)
[08:07] <_ReDRuM_> glass-eye: some people hate sudo, others hate root shell, either way keeping the noobs out of root shell is a good ideas
[08:07] <gdh> mikl: We need a bot with some %sudo trigger...
[08:07] <glass-eye> _ReDRuM_: true, was just wondering if i missed a step or something, glad it was meant that way
[08:08] <linkin> hello everybody
[08:08] <mikl> gdh: or perhaps a big flaming sign on the boot-up screen or something: "There is no root, there is only sudo" :D
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> hi linkin
[08:08] <gdh> mikl: Hah that'd work :)
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> ln -sf `which su` `which sudo`
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:08] <_thomas> butthe empty trash has another icon as a full trash
[08:09] <gdh> _thomas: <shrug> :)
[08:09] <linkin> I've a question
[08:09] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: 46.
[08:09] <Kortor> oh, that reminds me.
[08:09] <gdh> 42, please.
[08:09] <mikl> no, 42
[08:09] <_ReDRuM_> 42 is so 1980s
[08:09] <Kortor> will ALL users have full sudo access with kubuntu? cause that would not be good... O_o
[08:09] <linkin> hui
[08:09] <gdh> Quality never goes out of fashion :)
[08:09] <Kortor> or is it just the user created during install process?
[08:09] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: only the initial user
[08:10] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Thanks a million
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> yw
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: and anyone you put in admin group of course :)
[08:11] <linkin> hmm 42?...
[08:11] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: hitchiers guide to the galaxy reference
[08:11] <linkin> nice :D
[08:11] <_ReDRuM_> what was your question really linkin :)
[08:12] <linkin> only one thing...
[08:12] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Ah, so, noone? :P
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: rm -rf /stupid/sudo/file
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:12] <linkin> on your last rlease, i can't use my Graphiccard...
[08:12] <Jefis> :)
[08:12] <Jefis> help
[08:13] <Kortor> heh
[08:13] <Jefis> i updated kernel
[08:13] <linkin> first start... i will get a ugly screen :P
[08:13] <Jefis> and X won't start
[08:13] <mikl> linkin: a brandname and model would be helpful :)
[08:13] <Jefis> how to get kernel
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis: www.kernel.org
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[08:13] <linkin> hehe k, 1mom
[08:13] <Jefis> yeeee
[08:13] <Jefis> via xchat-text ?
[08:13] <Jefis> LD
[08:13] <Jefis> :D
[08:13] <Jefis> apt-get install <what> 
[08:13] <Jefis> :)
[08:13] <Kortor> apt-get install lynx
[08:13] <Kortor> and use that
[08:13] <Jefis> lynx?
[08:14] <Kortor> to read www.kernel.org
[08:14] <Jefis> that isn't a kernel
[08:14] <linkin> Brandname: nvidia GeForce 6600GT 
[08:14] <Kortor> its a text-based web browser
[08:14] <loren> how is lynx anyways?
[08:14] <_ReDRuM_> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on 386.
[08:14] <loren> is it any good?
[08:14] <loren> imo it's a text based web browser right?
[08:14] <Kortor> bye
[08:14] <narg> hrm, is there any way to revert to install defaults sans reinstalling?
[08:14] <smouche> lynx is great, but I found it very tricky to use -- elinks seems much easier.  and it works well with both keyboard and mouse
[08:15] <Jefis> redrum that should be on cd right?
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis: apt-cache search kernel | grep ^linux-image 
[08:15] <Jefis> ok
[08:15] <Jefis> thanks
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis: it does come on the cd it installs a kernel
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know how you managed to install without a kernel :)
[08:15] <whiskers> smouche, lynx is my favorite...it is the fastest browser in the world
[08:15] <smouche> I like to keep elinks running in the terminal pane when using kate.
[08:15] <narg> wait, hes in linux without a kernel?
[08:15] <linkin> are there any changes?
[08:16] <linkin> with my graphiccard (Nvidia GeForce 6600 GT)?
[08:16] <loren> rofl
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis: apt-cache search linux-image
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> thats better :)
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on AMD K7.
[08:17] <smouche> linux without a kernel... that's like pop-corn without the corn
[08:17] <linkin> lol
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> doh
[08:17] <anna> how big is the install image?
[08:17] <smouche> talk about kernel panic
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> ubuntus dead
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> (sites)
[08:18] <linkin> i don't want tell you that... but... i can't start kubuntu... because, it can't detect my graphiccard correctly
[08:18] <root__> _redrum_ :)
[08:18] <root__> fak
[08:18] <Jefis2> redrum when i try to install
[08:18] <Jefis2> it says "you allready have newest one"
[08:18] <Jefis2> :)
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> anyone from kubuntu - minor bug - apt-getting a kernel suggests lilo when bootloader should be grub :)
[08:18] <narg> heh, screw that, Im reinstalling. And next time Im not playing with the sound server :p
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis what chip do you have? pentium? athlon?
[08:19] <Jefis2> athlon xp 
[08:19] <Jefis2> athlon xp 1700+
[08:19] <Jefis2> :)
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7
[08:19] <Jefis2> a tried that 686 kernel, and X wont start
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> but the site is dead
[08:19] <Jefis2> damm it
[08:19] <Jefis2> are you sure about k7 ?
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2 nvidia/ati vidcard? perhaps it somehow removed your video drive module
[08:20] <Jefis2> nvidia
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis yup
[08:20] <Jefis2> but...
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> k7 = athlonxp
[08:20] <Jefis2> em, k7 isn't athlon or isit, damm
[08:20] <Jefis2> :LD
[08:20] <Jefis2> hmmm 
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> k8 = opteron
[08:20] <Jefis2> so my box should run faster, right?
[08:20] <mikl> Jefis2: theoreticly, yes
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2: i shouldnt imagine you'd notice...
[08:20] <anna> how big is the install image?
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> anna: too big heh
[08:21] <Jefis2> so what's the diference?
[08:21] <anna> my Kubuntu shows it at 100% during the whole download
[08:21] <Jefis2> hey, then i run app, press CTRL+Z , it says STOPED, how to resume?
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2: more devices supported, minor bugfixes and that kernel is optimized for install
[08:21] <anna> I never had that before... :p
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2 type fg
[08:21] <mikl> Jefis2: that the kernel is compiled with AMD k7 in mind instead of just any x86 chip :)
[08:21] <kaplanfx> site seems down
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> Jefis2: that kernel will probably only work on k7 
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> kaplanfx: it is
[08:21] <Jefis2> fg :)
[08:21] <mikl> Jefis2: and that should yield some kind of performance benefits, though not that big :)
[08:21] <kaplanfx> anyone have the torrent for the livecd?
[08:22] <kaplanfx> kubuntu hoary?
[08:22] <linkin> what ever :D i will see, what i will get, if when i install kubunuti ;)
[08:22] <kaplanfx> I think I accidently got the install cd torrent instead
[08:22] <Jefis2> site is up yet?
[08:22] <mikl> Jefis2: in fact, it is a matter of great discussion if that optimisation actually matters at all :)
[08:22] <kaplanfx> getting 250kb/s though :)
[08:23] <Jefis2> so if i build kernel myself, then my box should work more better, right?
[08:23] <Jefis2> :)
[08:23] <linkin> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[08:23] <linkin> there you can find all torrents..
[08:23] <mikl> Jefis2: in theory, yes. If you configure your kernel correctly.
[08:23] <kaplanfx> thanks linkin
[08:23] <Jefis2> when i press CTRL+Z how to resume that application later?
[08:23] <mikl> Jefis2: just type fg
[08:23] <kaplanfx> linkin: except that is down too :(
[08:23] <Jefis2> right
[08:23] <Jefis2> :)
[08:24] <kaplanfx> prob on the same server as kubuntu.org
[08:24] <linkin> you must reload
[08:24] <linkin> ^^
[08:24] <kaplanfx> trying, still nothing
[08:24] <linkin> hmm
[08:25] <linkin> I've the torrent for the full cd...
[08:25] <mikl> seems that canonical will have to employ zeo or something soon :)
[08:25] <_P_> ahahahahah 
[08:25] <linkin> but not for the live
[08:25] <_P_> ubuntu  is  down 
[08:25] <_P_> archive.ubuntu.org  daesnt work :)
[08:25] <linkin> wait a minute :)
[08:25] <_P_> big succes :D
[08:26] <crimsun> _P_: use a mirror: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en&lr=&strip=1
[08:26] <linkin> too many users who want this distro...
[08:26] <_P_> crimsun:  thanks  but  i can  wait  until new ubunters  have done :D
[08:27] <whiskers> hey i am getting the same message at ubuntu...why is it down
[08:27] <kaplanfx> thanks crimsun
[08:27] <whiskers> i wonder what is going on....that European commission stuff is very serious stuff
[08:28] <whiskers> and the US is already screwed
[08:28] <mikl> whiskers: European commission what?
[08:28] <whiskers> and Canada is also thinking about a DMCA so they will also be screwed
[08:28] <linkin> everything from ubuntu is on the same server (i think)
[08:28] <crimsun> whiskers: it's not at all related to the patent stuff. Our ftpmaster says that the actual backbone is _broken_
[08:28] <whiskers> crimsun, oh.
[08:29] <kaplanfx> crimsun: are the .torrent files somewhere in the mirror directory structure?
[08:31] <crimsun> kaplanfx: afaik, yes
[08:31] <whiskers> kaplanfx, i have some files do you want me to put them on a torrent...which file do you want
[08:32] <linkin> i could download all torrents...
[08:32] <regeya> oh...right...new ubuntu release.  no wonder ubuntu.com is down. :-/
[08:33] <kaplanfx> crimsun: I found it, had to scroll down to the cd-image mirrors
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: software patents? who's going to pay attention to that :)
[08:33] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, i don't know what will happen but one Irishman said how the hell does this help us.
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> if the european comission say we have to have stupid patents then i say - screw them
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> civil disobedience
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> if nobody listens to them they will have to think again
[08:35] <Jefis> i am alive :)
[08:36] <DarthFrog> Jefis: That's very Descartisian of you. :-)
[08:36] <Jefis> ?
[08:36] <DarthFrog> Jefis: Descarte:  I think, therefore I am. 
[08:36] <Jefis> ?
[08:37] <DarthFrog> Jefis: Never mind.  
[08:37] <Jefis> ok :)
[08:37] <whiskers> DarthFrog, that is circular reasoning and proves nothing...you have already assumed "I" in your premise before your conclusion.
[08:37] <DarthFrog> Jefis: Look up Rene Descartes sometime. 
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> haha
[08:37] <DarthFrog> whiskers: Agreed.  But all we really have is our own subjective reality.
[08:38] <Jefis> DarthFrog i don't understand you :)
[08:38] <_ReDRuM_> DarthFrog: HAHA he done you ;)
[08:38] <linkin> so...
[08:38] <linkin> I've all these torrent files...
[08:39] <DarthFrog> Jefis: Rene Descartes was a French philosopher/mathemetician.  Cartesian co-ordinates are his.  One of his most famous philosophical statements, on consciousness and the nature of reality was "I think therefore I am.
[08:39] <candyban> A "clean" kubuntu install is 1.4 G?
[08:39] <gdh> ... and Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, 'I drink, therefore I am' ....
[08:39] <Jefis> ok :)
[08:40] <DarthFrog> gdh: Oh, I've proved that one many, many, many times! :-)
[08:40] <mikl> gdh: oh, I wish I could have that ;)
[08:40] <gdh> =))
[08:40] <gdh> speaking of which, time for something liquidic and tasty, with pleasant after-effects
[08:40] <linkin> http://linkin.mine.nu/kubuntu/
[08:41] <DarthFrog> mikl: It's a Monty Python quote.  No surprise. :-)
[08:41] <linkin> this is my home Pc... so... don't wonder, that you can't download so fast :P
[08:42] <whiskers> well as far as i understand this stuff...i think if i click on a file with gnometorrent it will automatically seed the file out to the world
[08:43] <Tm_T> uh, network broke here :/
[08:43] <linkin> I'm away...
[08:43] <Tm_T> whiskers: azureus!
[08:43] <regeya> gah.  I've yet to find a server listed as an archive mirror that's really an archive mirror
[08:44] <whiskers> Tm_T, i thought azureus was based on the out-of-date bittorrent code
[08:44] <Tm_T> ?
[08:44] <Tm_T> hmm, dunno 'bout that
[08:44] <Tm_T> but it works well
[08:44] <whiskers> Tm_T, well as i understand it....bittorrent went to some significant changes in 4.0
[08:45] <regeya> qa'pla
[08:45] <Tm_T> ok
[08:45] <Tm_T> whiskers: I really don't use torrent but only twice a year =)
[08:45] <whiskers> Tm_T, i have no need for it either...except to examine some Linux/Hurd stuff
[08:46] <whiskers> well i need to reboot....seems like i am using virtual memory now
[08:46] <ubuntu> hello
[08:47] <ubuntu> I am trying out Kubuntu Live
[08:47] <regeya> greetings
[08:47] <ubuntu> and everything is big, but my resolution is the same as my Mandrake
[08:47] <regeya> .
[08:48] <gdh> Likely some DPI detection is working properly in either MDK or Kub :)
[08:48] <gdh> for interest, you can try this:   grep DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:48] <regeya> ooooooooooooooh dpi detection
[08:48] <regeya> that thing that kde and gnome should rely on
[08:49] <gdh> indeed. :)
[08:49] <regeya> wonder if gnome still assumes a particular dpi setting
[08:49] <gdh> I think it only falls back to 75 / 100 if it can't read DDC infor from the screen
[08:49] <regeya> ah
[08:49] <gdh> that's certainly been my experience
[08:50] <gdh> e.g.boot up with the monitor switched off....
[08:50] <gdh> (a rather shit downside to wake-on-lan)
[08:50] <ubuntu> if I am using the Live CD, can I save files?
[08:50] <whiskers> ok..don't ever click on a file with gnometorrent
[08:50] <ubuntu> like how can I save files?
[08:50] <Tm_T> wtf
[08:50] <gdh> ubuntu: They go into a ramdisk
[08:51] <gdh> plug a USB key in if you have one
[08:51] <whiskers> my system went into virtual memory and never came out
[08:51] <ubuntu> k
[08:51] <ubuntu> ill try USB ey
[08:51] <gdh> _ubuntu: hopefully an icon for it should 'just appear' on your desktop :)
[08:51] <whiskers> so much for that idea
[08:52] <ubuntu> KDE 3.4 looks really nice
[08:52] <whiskers> yes i had kde3.4 on gentoo...it is nice..it needed some env adjustments but was ok....but some apps are not fully developed yet
[08:53] <_ubuntu> hi! I did not succeed to make the wlan card of the Acer Extensa 2900 work. It's an ipw2200 card, but the radio kill switch turns it off. The fsam7400 also did not help. When I echo different values as root to the rf_kill value in the /sys fs, it stays on it's value. There must be a hidden magic. Any hints?
[08:54] <whiskers> you know does this ubuntu have java 1.5 installed
[08:54] <whiskers> does anybody know
[08:54] <gdh> It doesn't have any Java runtime installed
[08:54] <whiskers> oh ok...well then i won't worry about ants
[08:54] <_ReDRuM_> you can just install it from sun
[08:55] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, that is a nightmare...i tried to do that on gentoo and it took days to get it working.....no thanks
[08:55] <Hsun> Hi everybody, can i have some help ? :)
[08:55] <ubuntu> how can I change it so I double click on folders/files, instead of the cursor changing to the hand, and only single clicking?
[08:56] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, i just let sun have all that java stuff....i can live without ants and phex
[08:56] <gdh> ubuntu: By experimenting with the control center
[08:58] <_aim> hummm
[09:01] <F_for_Fragging> hello everybody, are more people having problems with playing enemy territory on kubuntu?
[09:04] <whiskers> F_for_Fragging, i don't have room for all those gentoo games...i don't bother with them anymore
[09:04] <Tm_T> F_for_Fragging: uh, runs better than fine =)
[09:05] <Tm_T> whiskers: gentoo game?!
[09:05] <whiskers> Tm_T, yes that is why gentoo has 1000 people....all those games but it takes a big hard drive
[09:05] <amundsen> hi
[09:06] <Tm_T> whiskers: oh, I don't think gentoo have nothing to do with ET
[09:06] <F_for_Fragging> well, my problem is that when I run my desktop on 1280 x 960 and ET on 1024 x 786
[09:06] <amundsen> i heared that kubuntu doesn't update properly if you uninstall packages from tyhe default installation. is it true ?
[09:06] <whiskers> Tm_T, yes they do...they have lots and lots of games working
[09:06] <F_for_Fragging> and when I exit ET then my desktop gets mad
[09:06] <Tm_T> whiskers: oh, so?
[09:06] <whiskers> Tm_T, i even played that one too...it had soldiers and looked like Castle Wolfenstein
[09:06] <gdh> amundsen: If you uninstall libc6, then sure I think things won't work properly :)
[09:06] <F_for_Fragging> when I set ET to run at 1280 x 960 it doesn't happen though
[09:07] <whiskers> but gentoo takes too big a hard drive
[09:07] <Tm_T> whiskers: well, you can play ET in (K)Ubuntu
[09:07] <Colin2> would there be any reason for kubuntu to be emiting a high-pitched beep at me?
[09:08] <whiskers> well i only have a 40gig...that is why i am not using gentoo....i don't need all that stuff
[09:08] <Tm_T> whiskers: you don't need gentoo for play ET
[09:08] <Frafra> hi all
[09:08] <gdh> Colin2: Is it coming from your speakers?
[09:08] <gdh> (i.e. rather than a hard disk that's about to die :)
[09:08] <Tm_T> Frafra: hello
[09:09] <Colin2> yes
[09:09] <Frafra> i've installed (on ubuntu) kubuntu-desktop. What i must do for uninstall it, kde and others?
[09:09] <gdh> tried opening the KMix mixer and muting any channels you don't need?
[09:09] <gdh> Colin2: more immediately, does the whine stop if you mute everything?
[09:09] <Tm_T> Frafra: apt-get remove Kubuntu-Desktop
[09:09] <Colin2> yes
[09:10] <Frafra> thanks
[09:10] <gdh> Tm_T: no, that will only remove the meta-package
[09:10] <Colin2> its not a whine, its a high-pitched beep thats like "beep....beep....beep"
[09:10] <Colin2> whichs seems to be periodic
[09:10] <ubuntu> I cant figure out how to change it so I double click on folders/files, instead of the cursor changing to the hand, and only single clicking?
[09:10] <Frafra> Tm_T, it doesn't uninstall kde ecc.
[09:10] <ubuntu> I've looked all over KCC
[09:11] <gdh> Colin2: I've no ideas, tbh :(
[09:11] <gdh> Colin2: Pop a message on the forums?
[09:11] <Colin2> it would appear to be acoustic scanning in kwifimanager
[09:11] <Colin2> which is good
[09:11] <Colin2> cause i can now shut it up :D
[09:11] <gdh> haha cool :)
[09:11] <gdh> what kind of wifi do you have that 'just worked' :)
[09:12] <Colin2> it didn't just work :(
[09:12] <Colin2> I had to download + install ndiswrapper
[09:12] <Frafra> what i must do?
[09:12] <gdh> Colin2: Ah, K :)
[09:13] <Tm_T> hm
[09:14] <gdh> I'm still rather impressed that a USB key icon really just 'just appear' on the desktop when I plug a key in
[09:14] <gdh> little amuses the simple, I know...
[09:14] <whiskers> but anyway ET is a nice game
[09:14] <whiskers> but i don't room for all that gentoo stuff
[09:15] <whiskers> and most of it...i don't know how to use anyway
[09:17] <whiskers> but they really need to get bittorrent 4.0 working on ubuntu because it had major design changes
[09:17] <shogouki> gdh: ivman is in the kubuntu todo list :) http://code.mizzenblog.com/thing/ivman
[09:17] <whiskers> i wonder what version gnometorrent uses
[09:20] <mdz> _ubuntu: look for a physical switch controlling the RF kill switch
[09:22] <Tm_T> whiskers: you don't need at any gentoo stuff, you can istall just ET to your Kubuntu
[09:23] <gdh> shogouki: Excellent news :)
[09:24] <Tm_T> whiskers: that's 270M installation package, that's all
[09:24] <gdh> One of the biggest stumbling blocks at the moment is WiFi support, which is tricky with all the various binary drivers / firmwares :/
[09:25] <Tm_T> nah, easy
[09:25] <gdh> and building packages locally isnt a fantastic idea.. we're back to Gentoo again :)
[09:25] <dimmak> gdh: ndiswrapper helping in that regard?
[09:25] <gdh> dimmak: nono I mean even talking about Linux drivers for wlan cards
[09:25] <gdh> dimmak: they almost all need a firmware file at some point
[09:25] <gdh> and that can't be freely redistributed
[09:25] <dimmak> i see
[09:26] <anna> i have ralink, no firmware
[09:26] <anna> GPLed driver
[09:26] <dimmak> out of curiosity... how is gigabit wired lan support?
[09:26] <Tm_T> dimmak: works
[09:27] <gdh> dimmak: should be fine - tg3 and e1000 driver will cover 90% of chips
[09:27] <gdh> that's all kernel level, nowt to do with the running OS
[09:27] <gdh> anyone have experience of the Marvell Yukon Gbit chipset?
[09:29] <dimmak> i think of wireless as merely a convenient extension of wired networks... so i am still quite satisfied with 11mbps speeds even though i have 54mbps cards... i still prefer my lucent orinoco card
[09:29] <gdh> My actiontec usb things are cheap and nasty - they just stop working for a few seconds now and again
[09:29] <gdh> even do it on Windows :/
[09:29] <dimmak> and for watching movies over the network it works fine
[09:30] <gdh> Yeh, 11m cards aren't quite quick enough for DVB /MPEG2 / DVD streaming...
[09:31] <dimmak> just fine for xvid and svcd bin files for me though
[09:32] <dimmak> no need to stream a dvd when it is far more convenient to just put it in the dvd drive
[09:32] <gdh> oh certainly for that low bitrate stuff
[09:32] <dimmak> of course convenience in a matter of opinion
[09:33] <dimmak> *is
[09:35] <dimmak> so is there any specific chipset manufacturer that is providing linux support in regards to higher speed wireless?
[09:35] <_ReDRuM_> hmm
[09:35] <_ReDRuM_> this is quite scarey http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-February/004058.html
[09:35] <DarthFrog> dimmak: Orinoco, Prism and Atheros.
[09:36] <_ReDRuM_> how does ubuntu interract with the kernel differently from other linux?
[09:37] <dimmak> DarthFrog: orinoco!=prism?
[09:37] <dimmak> oh... they are proxim
[09:37] <dimmak> my bad
[09:40] <anna> i have ralink, no firmware, 11g WLAN and even 64 bit support
[09:41] <anna> eh. i mean 54mbit WLAN
[09:41] <anna> The only choice of you want your machine to be Free Software and use WLAN
[09:41] <anna> (fast one)
[09:42] <gdh> never heard of ralink - are they a chipset manufacturer ?
[09:46] <Kortor> hi
[09:46] <Kortor> I just read this thing about linspire
[09:46] <Kortor> Linspire CHARGES you to download software
[09:47] <gdh> yes :)
[09:47] <Kortor> if you use their version of apt-get
[09:47] <Kortor> shudder
[09:47] <gdh> they charge you for a GUI frontend of apt-get
[09:47] <gdh> :)
[09:47] <Kortor> and they try and sell you stuff
[09:47] <Kortor> with gaim
[09:47] <Kortor> its sick
[09:47] <gdh> they sell to Mom + Pop who don't know any better
[09:47] <gdh> that's business, good luck to them :|
[09:47] <Riddell> charge?  now that's an interesting idea.  /me adds to feature list of kubuntu breezy
[09:47] <Kortor> but they're using _LINUX_ to do it. :(
[09:47] <gdh> 'Breezy B____hog' ?
[09:48] <gdh> Kortor: joys of open source :)
[09:48] <Riddell> gdh: badger :)
[09:48] <gdh> ok dinner ready, bbl
[09:48] <gdh> hah
[09:48] <Riddell> Kortor: they're using KDE too
[09:50] <mikl> well, Linspire is a pretty good distro, after what I've heard :)
[09:50] <Kortor> shudder
[09:50] <Kortor> ive seen pictures of it
[09:50] <mikl> there's a review of it here: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/30/1229231&from=rss
[09:50] <Kortor> And I haven't heard anything good about it, except for that it looks like Windows. Which is hardly good in my opinion.
[09:51] <Riddell> they sponsor kde-look and kde-apps, this makes them extremely valuable
[09:52] <mikl> and they have contributed a lot to many different projects
[09:52] <Kortor> I don't doubt that. I just dislike that they try to sell people things in a very nosy way.
[09:52] <Riddell> mikl: I can't think of any
[09:52] <mikl> I have no grudges against Linspire - they make a real good beginner distro
[09:53] <mikl> Riddell: nvu perhaps :)
[09:53] <Riddell> ok 1 :)
[09:53] <mikl> and if I'm not much wrong, the paid Everaldo to do the Crystal SVG set, which is default for KDE :)
[09:54] <mikl> and they sponsor Gaim
[09:54] <mikl> and so on...
[09:55] <Riddell> mikl: you are much wrong :)
[09:55] <dimmak> really? seems pretty accurate
[09:56] <mikl> Riddell: oh, how so?
[09:56] <mikl> look at the bottom of http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ - It says "Linspire - a proud sponsor"
[09:56] <mikl> what do you think that means?
[09:56] <Kortor> As a final note on licensing, Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU project and the Free Software Foundation, recently said of Linspire, "No other GNU/Linux distribution has backslided so far away from freedom. Switching from MS Windows to Linspire does not bring you to freedom, it just gets you a different master."
[09:57] <mikl> Richard Stallman...
[09:57] <Riddell> mikl: greap for linspire at http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[09:57] <Riddell> grep
[09:57] <dimmak> noooo... my system has been "up to date" for far too long
[09:58] <Riddell> Kortor: where's that?
[09:58] <mikl> Riddell: my browser doesn't come with grep-support :P
[09:58] <Riddell> mikl: which browser?
[09:58] <mikl> Konqueror :)
[09:58] <Riddell> mikl: press /  then type  linspire
[09:59] <mikl> yes, I have found the article you're pointing too
[09:59] <mikl> however, the previous versions of Crystal SVG that Everaldo have made are under GPL
[10:00] <mikl> and afaik, Linspire was paying him then too :)
[10:00] <Riddell> they're under the LGPL and were sponsored by SuSE (and Mandrake and Connectiva)
[10:00] <Riddell> but we never got the sources so thewy arn't SVG and they arn't maintainable
[10:00] <anna> I always read about how the SVGs never materialize in KDE CVS
[10:00] <mikl> I wouldn't be much surprised if these icons, too, will be released under gpl :)
[10:00] <Kortor> whats is the LGPL?
[10:00] <anna> Releasing binaries (png images) as GPL is not even a real license
[10:01] <Riddell> mikl: linspire has had nothing to do with crystal SVG, the clear-e icons might appear under the LGPL (and if they don't I'll sue their arses off bwahaha)
[10:01] <anna> Because you don't get the preferred form of modification
[10:01] <anna> The SVG source
[10:01] <anna> Riddell: I saw your note.... I hope you kick them
[10:02] <Riddell> Michael Robinson said he'd get back to me, it'll all end out happily I'm sure
[10:02] <shogouki> mikl: links -dump http://planet.ubuntu.com/ | grep -i linspire :)
[10:02] <mikl> Riddell: well, they still do payroll a lot of OSS projects, though :)
[10:02] <Riddell> Robertson he is
[10:02] <andreas_> Can anyone point me to a sources.list if i want to update a preview to the final kubuntu?
[10:03] <Riddell> mikl: yep, they're lovely really
[10:03] <anna> why preview, when you can have final?
[10:03] <Riddell> andreas_: same sources
[10:04] <anna> ah... slap self.... i read "of the final"
[10:04] <andreas_> riddell: Thanks!
[10:04] <anna> Riddell: When will beaver come to exist?
[10:04] <mikl> ohwell, I need to go - try not to stir up too much commercial-distro-hate while I'm gone ;)
[10:05] <anna> It's not commericial, Canonical is, it is non-free distros that we don't like
[10:05] <Riddell> anna: breezy badger.  not sure, soon I guess
[10:06] <anna> ah... so breezy, should I put it in my sources.list already? :)
[10:06] <Riddell> anna: just tried, not working yet
[10:06] <mikl> whatever - as long as Microsoft i still dominating the market, I don't think we should bother with critique of other linux-distros :)
[10:06] <anna> I browsed it with konqueror to check today. 
[10:07] <anna> So, Riddell how was your release party :-)
[10:08] <Riddell> anna: well, not wanting to spend the 60 quid to get to london I spent it in bed sleeping :)
[10:09] <anna> wow, Ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch page hit ranking
[10:09] <Riddell> yeah but really all those distrowatch hits are people searching for kubuntu (which has made it to 11 after a months existance)
[10:11] <anna> i was looking for that
[10:11] <anna> yet i cannot find it?
[10:11] <simplex3> Has anyone else had font-size issues after installing the nvidia binary drivers?
[10:12] <anna> Origin: Isle of Man ?
[10:12] <Riddell> anna: by default they show the last 6 months where kubuntu does do so well, change it to 1 month at the top of the rank
[10:12] <simplex3> All of the sudden all my X fonts are twice as large on screen as they used to be.  I moved back to the nv driver and it went back to normal.
[10:12] <Riddell> anna: secretly we're tax dodgers :)
[10:13] <anna> Riddell: eep :p
[10:16] <sander__> Will we be able to order Kubuntu CDs from Canocial like regular Ubuntu? Does anyone know?
[10:16] <Beineri> sander__: no
[10:16] <Riddell> maybe I should ask Linspire :)
[10:16] <Beineri> Riddell: how much? :-)
[10:16] <Beineri> Riddell: lol
[10:17] <Riddell> Beineri: not sure, aseigo has asked, quite a lot I suspect
[10:18] <Beineri> shipping should be the most expensive part
[10:18] <anna> Riddell: If you look at "last month" in distrowatch, Kubuntu is #9 and Ubuntu is even further ahead #1
[10:19] <anna> And now guess who is 8# :p
[10:19] <Riddell> ooh, we've gone up 2 places
[10:19] <Beineri> every day 2 places, that's would be #1 in 8 days :-)
[10:19] <anna> The potential is clearly there
[10:20] <anna> I think too many are still thinking Knoppix where they hear KDE Live CD
[10:20] <anna> And don't think Kubuntu CD could be better
[10:20] <Beineri> _ubuntu: try "/nick <foo>" :-)
[10:21] <anna> And others are hearing Kubuntu is Ubuntu just with KDE, can't be more than an afterthought
[10:21] <anna> Few people grasp that Kubuntu is a fully accepted project in Canonical
[10:22] <andreas_> Do i just install the kde-core instead of kde if i want to install my own programs? Many of the sandard are crap!
[10:22] <andreas_> standard
[10:23] <Beineri> andreas_: which?
[10:23] <Riddell> anna: any ideas on how to fix that attitude welcomed
[10:23] <sander__> anna: I would say some of use feel it will be a fully accepted project when it has at least some parity in terms of things like CDs and resources.
[10:23] <andreas_> beineri: Don`t get me started... 8+% or so
[10:23] <andreas_> 80%
[10:24] <sander__> Not to be a smartass or anything this more about Canocial then kubuntu.
[10:24] <Beineri> Riddell: http://ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu displaying the content of kubuntu.org ;-)
[10:24] <Riddell> andreas_: we actually interested if you have better suggestions for programmes
[10:24] <Riddell> I wonder if [fab]  has converted to kubuntu yet
[10:25] <[fab] > nope
[10:25] <Beineri> andreas_: kde-core will not help you as much as kde-devel would do...
[10:25] <andreas_> riddell:I don`t mean to be rude but how can you make a difference as to the standard programs?
[10:25] <Beineri> [fab] : hi
[10:25] <[fab] > hi Beineri 
[10:25] <Riddell> andreas_: because I picked them and I can change them
[10:25] <andreas_> beineri: What`s the difference between the two?
[10:26] <Beineri> andreas_: kde-devel installs the headers, so you can compile your favorite KDE apps
[10:26] <andreas_> riddel: IRSSI should be there, openoffice2 as well for starters
[10:27] <Beineri> andreas_: well, release openoffice2 ;-)
[10:27] <Riddell> andreas_: irssi is for elite people (like me) who can install it themselves, 
[10:27] <Riddell> and openoffice 2 isn't out yet, but the packages are there 
[10:28] <anna> Riddell: The name Kubuntu has contributed to the perception certainly. After Ubuntu had so much press, it really sounds like an afterthought.
[10:29] <anna> Riddell: Maybe now is a good time to announce a name contest and describe in it the role of the project relating to Ubuntu
[10:29] <gdh> yay first official release done! Now let's change the name and confuse /everyone/! :)
[10:30] <andreas_> riddel: Riddel: Okay... Another thing.
[10:30] <ataxic> where is the kmenu layout file stored?
[10:30] <anna> sander__: You don't have full access to resources?
[10:30] <andreas_> riddell: I really hate Kontact - you ought to think about another mailprogram
[10:30] <Beineri> ataxic: applications.menu
[10:31] <anna> Like Kmail :p
[10:31] <andreas_> riddel: azureus and a downloadmanager as well
[10:31] <Beineri> anna: I bet he says mutt :-)
[10:32] <Riddell> ataxic: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu
[10:32] <andreas_> are you guys referring to me?
[10:32] <anna> But there is no Kmutt, Beineri  :-)
[10:32] <andreas_> I`m not saying this to be rude
[10:32] <Beineri> alias kmutt=mutt
[10:32] <[fab] > bla
[10:32] <Riddell> anna: it wasn't my first choice of name, but I was overruled
[10:33] <ataxic> Riddell: Beineri : thnx
[10:33] <anna> Riddell: The name is good in giving a quick idea if you already heard about Ubuntu.
[10:33] <sander__> anna: I'm not a kubuntu developer, but from what I see, Ubuntu employs a substantial number of gnome people and only 1 (haggi) Kubuntu devloper. I realize that there are limits as to what they can do, but for my opinion they would get more bang for their buck with KDE.
[10:33] <Riddell> sander__: haggai isn't employed by canonical
[10:33] <sander__> Worse yet. :(
[10:33] <anna> sander__: Ah, they have to focus on one thing and I let them decides themselves what that is.
[10:34] <anna> sander__: Esp. if they are open to let others join on equal level
[10:34] <Beineri> andreas_: you're also not very constructive just telling your feeling
[10:34] <Riddell> andreas_: azureus looks to be java
[10:34] <andreas_> Beineri: That`s what i was asked to do
[10:35] <ht990332> hi, I'm downlaoding Kubuntu. I have a couple of questions? does kubuntu support video4linux? will I be able to install the Nvidia graphics driver?
[10:35] <Beineri> andreas_: no, you were asked for better suggestions. not what you hate.
[10:36] <sander__> Well in this case they want to build a desktop for the average user, but Gnome is developer focused (ie Nautilus the best file browser for people who use the command line to browse files) I think they would do better to at least give people a choice in this regard as opposed to being another corporation that funds Gnome chasing windmills like they do.
[10:36] <Beineri> andreas_: and if you can even tell why your suggestion is better than the current one...
[10:36] <anna> sander__: After UserLinux failed, after Ximian was bought into what became the owner of Suse, there was a gap for commercial Gnome distribution, not?
[10:36] <anna> Think of how many KDE stuff there already is... Xandros, Lycoris, ...
[10:36] <andreas_> Beineri: Well... Having used linux for only a few months I`m a bit limited thereof, KDE is even newer to me
[10:37] <gdh> anna: Surely isn't Novell's own desktop Linux distro GNOME based?
[10:37] <Beineri> andreas_: than at least say why you hate something... *sigh*
[10:37] <sander__> anna: IMHO all these corporations like Gnome because they're not beholden to anyone (Trolltech) but Gnome is so unfocused that it isn't the best candidate for the desktop.
[10:37] <anna> andreas_: If you want to try other mail programs, mozilla-thunderbird and evolution are maybe worth trying
[10:37] <andreas_> Beineri: Il be glad to explain my opinion though. Just let me know which app you want to start with.
 riddell: I really hate Kontact
[10:38] <anna> gdh: I don't know for sure, they released some Ximian thing, but well, SLES and Suse are the thing for them
[10:38] <andreas_> .. because I find Evolution to me more simple, versatile nicer
[10:38] <gdh> Kontact works very well for the most part.. I personally think it still feels a little fragile, but I've not engaged in a proper hunt / trace / bug report so I dont' whine about it :)
[10:38] <sander__> Gnome will always be in beta with performance problems until they focus on building a great desktop instead of great technology. With Beagle and Mono the system requirements are only going to increase going forward.
[10:39] <Beineri> gdh: NLD includes both KDE and GNOME
[10:39] <anna> I hope KDE 4 will bring full Python (and whatever) bindings
[10:39] <gdh> Beineri: Ok cool, database updated :)
[10:39] <anna> One of them into kdebase
[10:40] <andrewski> so i just installed kde and it freezes on startup (i see the progress bar and icons for the splash screen on a grey background).  how can i fix this?
[10:40] <[fab] > Riddell: I am rather loyal to my current distro
[10:40] <Beineri> sander__: if "all these corporations like Gnome" where are the large *corporate* GNOME desktop deployments?
[10:41] <[fab] > not to say I can't change
[10:41] <andrewski> should i wipe .kde?  or are there specific packages i need to make sure are installed?
[10:42] <anna> andrewski: you said just installed kde, do you have a .kde?
[10:43] <ht990332> hello, I'm currently downlaoding Kubuntu. I have a couple of questions before I install.  Does kubuntu support Video4linux and will I be able to install the NVIDIA graphics driver?
[10:43] <andrewski> anna: to be accurate, i just reinstalled kde. :P
[10:43] <Beineri> sander__: or let's make fun about that "millions JDS systems deployment in China" (at day of release) myth :-)
[10:44] <andrewski> ht990332: yes to nvidia.
[10:44] <anna> andrewski: jm  hm, why did you do it, was it already screwed?
[10:44] <sander__> Beineri: I mean Sun and Red Hat companies like that. From what I've read, they hire the bulk of the Gnome developers and then drag the project in different directions. 
[10:44] <andrewski> anna: why did i reinstall it?
[10:44] <anna> andrewski: yeah
[10:44] <ht990332> andrewski: using the driver I downloaded from Nvidia site? 
[10:44] <gdh> ht990332: video4linux is in the kernel - the bttv module should autoprobe your TV card just fine
[10:44] <andrewski> ht990332: there's one in ubuntu.
[10:45] <ht990332> cool, I
[10:45] <ht990332> cool, I'm so excited about switching from Fedora to Kubuntu
[10:45] <sander__> I really wish I could like Gnome, but I just find it perpetually in beta, with buggy eye candy, changing major features for no real reason between each release.
[10:45] <andrewski> anna: i normally use xfce (kind of a change, eh?) so last time i tried kde, i uninstalled it when i was "done".  now i want to try it again.
[10:45] <andrewski> ht990332: yeah, getting away from RPMs is nice. :)
[10:46] <andreas_> ht: You won`t regret the change!
[10:46] <anna> andrewski: hm, you ought to try using without the old .kde, esp. if you didn't use it
[10:46] <ht990332> andrewski: I'm already accoustomed to using apt-get. 
[10:47] <anna> andrewski: Kubuntu has some nice defaults that you would otherwise miss
[10:47] <andrewski> anna: well, i went through and configured stuff, but yeah, i'll try it after deleting.  i didn't want to have to.  (kde has so many options!)
[10:47] <anna> just do mv .kde .kde.bak
[10:47] <anna> and then startx -- :1
[10:47] <andrewski> anna: already deleted. :)
[10:48] <andrewski> anna: i could just run it in xnest, yes?
[10:48] <anna> or that 
[10:48] <ht990332> andrewski: another important question, will kubuntu auttomatically detect my max resolution or will I be stuck with 1024x786?
[10:48] <andrewski> anna: or how would i run GDM on :1?
[10:48] <andrewski> ht990332: it *should* detect it, though you may have to add it manually.
[10:48] <andrewski> ht990332: you certainly won't be "stuck", though.
[10:48] <andreas_> ht: auto-detect, have heard of problems
[10:48] <anna> dunno, depends if kde is your default session type
[10:49] <anna> then startx will do
[10:49] <andrewski> anna: it's not; that's the problem.
[10:49] <gdh> ht990332: It will default to whatever your *monitor* tells it is the reccomended resolution.
[10:49] <andrewski> an: you should get tab completion. :)
[10:49] <anna> ah... can't you just make a new session?
[10:49] <andrewski> anna: i guess i could.
[10:49] <anna> "switch user"
[10:49] <anna> in KDE and Gnome I think they have it, potentiall Xfce has it too
[10:50] <gdh> ht990332: and that will typically be less than the 'max' e.g you'll usually get 1024 on a 17" CRT by default
[10:50] <andrewski> anna: well the Xfce menu is the same as Gnome's.
[10:50] <sal002> Does the site have a list of sources for apt.source in ubuntu (to get kubuntu packages)?
[10:50] <sal002> Also, does the kubuntu version of gambas have the html module?
[10:50] <hunger> How can I post on ubuntuforums.org?
[10:50] <anna> andrewski: I don't know Gnome well enough :p
[10:50] <ht990332> gdh: what if I want to set the max to 1280?
[10:50] <andrewski> anna: fair enough. :)
[10:50] <andrewski> hunger: register.
[10:50] <hunger> It never lets me... no priviledges.
[10:50] <ht990332> gdh: what will I have to edit?
[10:50] <gdh> ht990332: TBH unless you just edit the X config file directly, I'm not sure
[10:51] <gdh> ht990332: it's a fairly trivial change, though.
[10:51] <gdh> on ubuntu /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:51] <ht990332> gdh: so editing xorg.conf should do it?
[10:51] <sal002> Or are the regular ubuntu sources the same for kubuntu?
[10:51] <gdh> ht990332: to the best of my knowledge, yes...
[10:52] <gdh> ht990332: i.e. so it should be enough just to amend one line to say Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:53] <ht990332> gdh: what about the refresh rate?
[10:53] <gdh> ht990332: that'll be predetermined by what your monitor tells X it supports.
[10:53] <gdh> X will calculate the highest refresh rate suitable for the available video bandwidth
[10:53] <anna> Is xorg-driver-fglrx the proprietary driver or a free one?
[10:54] <ht990332> gdh: thanks, I can't wait. 2 more hours for kubuntu iso image to finsh downloading :)
[10:54] <gdh> anna: the Free ATI one...  2d accel only.
[10:54] <gdh> anna: apt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx :)
[10:55] <gdh> oh no hang on I'm not reading it properly =)
[10:55] <gdh> ignore me :)
[10:55] <gdh> "Filename: pool/restricted..." so it must be the binary-only closed ATI one
[10:56] <gdh> ht990332: ouch. dialup or 'not-very-broadband' ?
[10:56] <anna> gdh: Now you know why I am asking :p
[10:56] <gdh> anna: Isn't it lovely when things are made clear ? :)
[10:56] <ht990332> gdh: not very fast broadband. 128 kilobit/sec
[10:57] <gdh> anna: I guess if it's a seperate package then it *must* be a non-free one, since a truly free one will be included with X itself
[10:57] <andrewski> so anna.  i tried again.  this time the first time wizard did its thing and then it froze at the splash screen again.  after a few seconds, there were these garbled lines going across the screen.  what the heck?
[10:57] <gdh> ht990332: Ouch :) At least the latency will be low...
[10:57] <anna> andrewski: sorry no idea... 
[10:58] <andrewski> anna: should i try installing more packages?  i tried to do a relatively minimal install.
[11:00] <andrewski> or should i go to #kde?
[11:01] <gdh> andrewski: You can always try :/ If you have a digicam it might help to take a picture of what's on your screen?
[11:01] <andrewski> gdh: well, isn't kde-base enough to get started?
[11:01] <andrewski> no cam here, unfortunately.
[11:01] <gdh> andrewski: I haven't been following the story. I'm guessing you've been using main Ubuntu and want to try KDE ?
[11:01] <spikeb> any way to play AAC files in kubuntu?
[11:02] <andrewski> gdh: indeed.  and it freezes at the splash screen.  i deleted ~/.kde* and the wizard worked and THEN it froze. :P
[11:02] <gdh> andrewski: the way to get the right packages is apt-get install kubuntu-desktop 
[11:02] <andrewski> gdh: but that has a lot of stuff i may not want, right?
[11:02] <gdh> andrewski: Probably. you can always remove it again afterwards.
[11:02] <andrewski> gdh: true.  i'll try that out.
[11:03] <spikeb> i know there are libs for AAC support, just wondering if amarok or juk can play aac files
[11:03] <Jefis> how to remove any kernel from pc from console?
[11:03] <gdh> andrewski: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[11:03] <Jefis> :)
[11:03] <Jefis> how to remove kernel?:)
[11:04] <Jefis> from console, 
[11:04] <gdh> Jefis... uh.. why? that sounds like a really bad idea.
[11:04] <Beineri> apt-get remove linux-foo
[11:04] <Jefis> first i download 686 kernel
[11:04] <Jefis> that was unstable
[11:04] <Jefis> then tried k7
[11:05] <Jefis> after that pc crashes in 3minutes :)
[11:05] <gdh> What actual CPU do you have?
[11:05] <andrewski> yeah, 686 and k7 are for different types of processors....
[11:06] <Jefis> athlon xp 1700 +
[11:06] <Jefis> :)
[11:06] <Jefis> AMD ATHLON XP 1700+ :)
[11:06] <gdh> k7 should be the one for you, then....
[11:06] <Jefis> but's crashing
[11:06] <gdh> what happens with the 'PC crashes' exactly?
[11:06] <Jefis> freezes
[11:06] <gdh> what do you see? any large kenrel panic messages?
[11:06] <Jefis> no
[11:06] <Jefis> freeze
[11:06] <Jefis> :)
[11:06] <gdh> any flashing caps lock / scroll lock lights?
[11:07] <Jefis> doesn't work
[11:07] <Jefis> it just freeze, and that's it
[11:07] <Jefis> by the way
[11:07] <TechLord> is anyone else having problems with control center
[11:07] <Jefis> one time, it went to console, and outpoot many text
[11:07] <Jefis> probably kernel messeges
[11:07] <Jefis> don't know how to say
[11:08] <Jefis> it's like "blue screen of death"
[11:08] <Jefis> i don't know ;)
[11:08] <andrewski> Jefis: (someone correct me if i'm wrong but) maybe you should ask this in #ubuntu here; i'm sure there are some athlon users there too.
[11:08] <gdh> Jefis: At a pinch then you can try to install 'linux-386' package and remove linux-k7 and linux-686 packages
[11:08] <andrewski> not to tell you to leave. ;P
[11:08] <gdh> Jefis: That's true - this problem is non-kubuntu specific.
[11:08] <Jefis> ok
[11:08] <gdh> kubuntu  = ubuntu just with KDE packages on the install CD
[11:08] <andrewski> Jefis: a lot of devs hang out in #ubuntu but not here.
[11:09] <gdh> heh :)
[11:09] <andrewski> gdh: am i wrong?
[11:09] <gdh> andrewski: No idea, I never sit in ubuntu, but it makes sense the devs will be there since they're being paid by Canonical
[11:09] <gdh> Wow, get paid to IRC - now that's a job :)
[11:09] <Jefis> can you tell exact kernel name
[11:09] <Jefis> :)
[11:10] <Jefis> linux-image-2.6.10.5-386[1~
[11:10] <gdh> Jefis: no, but you can find out easily enough using Kynaptic
[11:10] <Jefis> gdh i will crash :)
[11:10] <Jefis> if i run kde :)
[11:10] <gdh> Oh I see it only crashes if KDE actually runs?
[11:10] <gdh> does it crash if you just let it sit at th elogin screen
[11:10] <Jefis> yes
[11:10] <gdh> for a few minutes?
[11:11] <Jefis> wait, i will trie, back in 5minutes or later :)
[11:11] <gdh> He's certainly keen :)
[11:12] <andrewski> gdh: keen?
[11:12] <gdh> eager, interested, strong appetite for the task.
[11:13] <andrewski> gdh: ah, yes.  i think of keen as 'sharp and smart'. :)
[11:13] <gdh> language is wonderful :)
[11:13] <andrewski> gdh: indeed.
[11:15] <Jefis> have crashed :)
[11:15] <Jefis> it's probably with nvidia drivers
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[11:15] <andrewski> gdh: might that be my problem too?
[11:15] <gdh> I'm afraid I know nothing about them...
[11:16] <gdh> could well be - I would definitely try removing them and just use the normal "nv" free driver
[11:16] <Jefis> gdh,  i should use k7 kernel?
[11:16] <Jefis> right?
[11:16] <gdh> in xorg.conf
[11:16] <gdh> Jefis: Yes.
[11:16] <Jefis> but first i have to install that kernel, o first remove old ones?
[11:16] <andrewski> gdh: hey, nvidia is free. :)
[11:16] <gdh> andrewski: LOL :)
[11:16] <gdh> let's not start the free beer discussion =)
[11:17] <andrewski> gdh: and i use opera web browser.  wanna fight? :P
[11:17] <Jefis> :)
[11:17] <Jefis> i using opera too :-))
[11:17] <gdh> andrewski: Sure, just right after you finish that commercial break :)
[11:17] <Roey> hi
[11:17] <andrewski> gdh: heh.
[11:17] <Roey> um
[11:18] <Roey> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145437&cid=12176562
[11:18] <Roey> :P
[11:19] <gdh> tch, no lack of whinging tossers on /, =)
[11:19] <Jefis> gdh, what means "linux-foo-blabla-smp"
[11:19] <Beineri> Roey: not very Kubuntu-specific...
[11:19] <gdh> Jefis: Symmetric MultiProcessing - multiple CPUs...
[11:20] <gdh> Jefis: or an Intel CPU with 'hyperthreading'
[11:20] <Jefis> or i will start to dream about that :)
[11:20] <Beineri> Roey: complaint to mother ship :-)
[11:21] <gdh> Roey: Tasks like making Kynaptic work better are a little higher up the list than implementing binary win32 codecs for amd64, I think :)
[11:21] <Jefis> by the way, how to disable automatic dns resolving on boot?
[11:21] <spikeb> lets not make kynaptic as horrible as synaptic, how's that?
[11:21] <Roey> Beineri: I did
[11:21] <Roey> Beineri: I posted to #ubuntu
[11:21] <gdh> Jefis: I've no idea what you mean by that.
[11:22] <Roey> gdh: what about softraid1 and the rest? :) and wacom tablet?
[11:22] <Jefis> hmmm
[11:22] <Jefis> :)
[11:22] <gdh> Beineri: That's a good question - is there an official bugtracker like the Debian BTS ?
[11:22] <Roey> I think there is
[11:22] <Roey> because it's been posted.
[11:22] <Beineri> gdh: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org?
[11:22] <Roey> no
[11:22] <Roey> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:22] <gdh> Roey: niche hardware and software setup =)
[11:22] <Roey> gdh: dah!!!!
[11:23] <Roey> gdh: all the stuff I'm using is niche??!?
[11:23] <gdh> Roey: I'm amazed they managed to get a usable distro out so quick... let it settle :)
[11:23] <Beineri> Roey: redirects
[11:23] <spikeb> every piece of hardware that's running linux is niche
[11:23] <Roey> gdh: I don't think they 'managed', I think they rushed.
[11:23] <spikeb> so settle down with the niche bits
[11:23] <gdh> Yeh, I wonder what percentage of 'Windows PC' users have AMD64?
[11:23] <hunger> Roey: ... and that with linux being in a niche market;-)
[11:23] <Roey> then kubz is a niche distro for me I guess.
[11:24] <Roey> It's been *hell*, this past month with kubuntu.
[11:24] <Roey> and I was previously on Debian/SID for the past four or five years.
[11:24] <gdh> Roey: however, all but one of your issues are non-Kubuntu specific
[11:24] <Roey> I know
[11:24] <Roey> they're Ubuntu.
[11:24] <Roey> weelllllllllll
[11:24] <lz1gjd> i've got the following problem with kubuntu : I just cannot install it. It fails complaining about missing disk space when there's enough of it ???
[11:24] <Roey> kubuntu doesn't have the Python bindings for KDE.
[11:25] <haggai> Roey: the problem was complex I'm afraid.  I did look at it but it was not trivial
[11:25] <andrewski> Roey: what do you want us to do about it?  report bugs and stop flamebaiting the channel.
[11:25] <Beineri> gdh: 10% according to ubuntu torrent stats
[11:25] <Roey> I really don't think a wacom tablet is really all that 'niche' when it's sold openly at compusa.
[11:25] <haggai> Roey: I did package kdebindings
[11:25] <Roey> haggai: hey Chris
[11:25] <Roey> andrewski: I'm not flamebaiting, I'm trying to get help :)
[11:25] <haggai> Roey: the wacom tablet is not a kubuntu-specific thing.  And did you file a bugreport about it already?
[11:26] <gdh> Roey: but then so is the Jayahujawicho WLAN adapter and it doesn't support that, etc. etc. =)
[11:26] <lz1gjd> any1 has an idea what the problem could be ?
[11:26] <andrewski> Roey: but why are you in #kubuntu and not #ubuntu?  and why don't you file bugs?
[11:26] <andrewski> Roey: seems you're complaining about the fact that it's not already in hoary, not trying to get help....
[11:26] <Roey> andrewski: my prerogative.
[11:26] <jefis_> :)
[11:26] <andrewski> Roey: and yet, if you're trying to get help, you're more likely to get it in #ubuntu.
[11:26] <Roey> er
[11:26] <Roey> no
[11:27] <Roey> #ubuntu is not that responsive.
[11:27] <spikeb> bbl folks
[11:27] <haggai> lz1gjd: the install does a tempory copy of more stuff onto your disk so that you don't have to have the cd available after boot.  Maybe that's the problem.  How much space do you have left?
[11:27] <andrewski> Roey: bugzilla then.  that's what it's there for.
[11:28] <jefis_> gdh, i told ya kernel is crashing :)
[11:28] <haggai> Roey: yes andrewski is right, you really should have been filing bugs before the release
[11:28] <jefis_> Jefis :)
[11:28] <gdh> Jefis: OK, what OS have you used previously on this computer? did it have any stability problems?
[11:28] <lz1gjd> well, Im trying to install it on a 2.4gb partition
[11:28] <gdh> Jefis: am just trying to rule out hardware problems
[11:28] <jefis_> winxp :)
[11:29] <jefis_> everything was stable with kernel-386
[11:29] <jefis_> uptime one was 22hours :)
[11:29] <lz1gjd> and it shows error not enough space in /var something, when there's about 1.2gb and more
[11:29] <gdh> Jefis: :/ that's definately a bug report, then.. perhaps someone will be able to debug things for you ..
[11:29] <Roey> haggai: I don't know..  a lot of these things have not been addressed by Debian Proper at all even.
[11:30] <jefis_> gdh, is there logs?
[11:30] <gdh> Jefis https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ubuntu
[11:30] <Roey> haggai: I'll file them then.
[11:30] <gdh> Jefis: if your dist has just frozen solid, then it's unlikely :(
[11:30] <andrewski> Roey: but you want us to fix them here and now?
[11:30] <Roey> haggai: even more than that, I can donate in order to Make it So.
[11:31] <Roey> andrewski: there are some basic things that I need--wacom I can compile myself, same with the Garzik patches.
[11:31] <Roey> NVidia is a small problem but I can avoid it completely but using the OSS drivers.
[11:31] <Roey> andrewski: the only thing that really truly bothers me is raid.
[11:31] <andrewski> Roey: why not use ubuntu's drivers?
[11:31] <jefis_> root@localhost:/etc/network # mount -o iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom -o loop
[11:31] <jefis_> /dev/cdrom: No medium found
[11:31] <jefis_> doesn't work
[11:31] <jefis_> i have just inserted CD into cdrom :)
[11:31] <jefis_> fak
[11:32] <jefis_> :D
[11:32] <spikeb> Roey ubuntu/kubuntu package nvidia drivers, but not automatically installed and setup as you said
[11:32] <jefis_> inserted wrong side
[11:32] <jefis_> :DDDDd
[11:32] <Roey> andrewski: I did.. then I experimented and tried to install the commercial drivers by hand.. that caused X to lockup immediately.  So I tried to re-install the Ubuntu commercial nvidia driver packages, but still got that lockup problem when selecting commercial drivers in X.
[11:32] <Roey> andrewski: I can live without win32 pornography for now, too.
[11:33] <spikeb> wtf
[11:33] <andrewski> Roey: :/
[11:33] <jefis_> :D
[11:33] <Roey> andrewski: The sensors package I can do myself.
[11:33] <Roey> andrewski: a lot of this is just extra setup that can be performed at installation time
[11:33] <andrewski> Roey: so what help did you want?
[11:33] <jefis_> gdh, where is logs about kernel crashes stored?
[11:33] <Roey> andrewski: (but again the only thing that bothers me is the raid).
[11:33] <spikeb> Roey hey does the raid thing work in your debian setup?
[11:33] <Roey> andrewski: I have a few problems on it
[11:33] <Roey> spikeb: *no*
[11:33] <spikeb> bah
[11:33] <Roey> spikeb: want to hear about it?
[11:34] <Roey> spikeb: several things happened:
[11:34] <spikeb> Roey yes, maybe i can find out if it's a kernel problem or not
[11:34] <gdh> Jefis: think about it - if your machien has frozen solid, then there is no chance for your machine to write logs to disk
[11:34] <jefis_> just say ;)
[11:34] <gdh> Jefis: it *IS* possible to connect another computer to a serial port, and any kernel panic will be sent there....
[11:35] <jefis_> oh :)
[11:35] <Roey> spikeb: 1) it renumbered the raid devices -- my /dev/sd{a,b}{1,5,6} made up /dev/md{1,5,6} before;  now they are /dev/md{0,1,2}.  And that's just now, under Kanotix/64.  When I initially installed Kubuntu, if I typed cat /proc/mdstat I'd see weird things like dm-dev1 or something
[11:35] <jefis_> Apr 10 00:35:37 localhost kernel:  [__get_free_pages+51/63]  __get_free_pages+0x33/0x3f
[11:35] <jefis_> Apr 10 00:35:37 localhost kernel:  [schedule_timeout+99/183]  schedule_timeout+0x63/0xb7
[11:35] <jefis_> Apr 10 00:35:37 localhost kernel:  [process_timeout+0/9]  process_timeout+0x0/0x9
[11:35] <jefis_> Apr 10 00:35:37 localhost kernel:  [do_poll+161/192]  do_poll+0xa1/0xc0
[11:35] <jefis_> Apr 10 00:35:37 localhost kernel:  [sys_poll+335/527]  sys_poll+0x14f/0x20f
[11:35] <jefis_> Apr 10 00:35:37 localhost kernel:  [sys_gettimeofday+59/127]  sys_gettimeofday+0x3b/0x7f
[11:35] <jefis_> Apr 10 00:35:37 localhost kernel:  [__pollwait+0/198]  __pollwait+0x0/0xc6
[11:35] <jefis_> Apr 10 00:35:37 localhost kernel:  [sysenter_past_esp+82/117]  sysenter_past_esp+0x52/0x75
[11:35] <jefis_> looks crashy?
[11:35] <spikeb> hmmm
[11:36] <gdh> it certainly does - please consider #flood for things like that, though :)
[11:36] <gdh> or pastebin.com ....
[11:36] <spikeb> Roey have you gotten your setup to work properly with ANY distro?
[11:36] <gdh> I'm not a programmer - that all means nothing to me ...
[11:36] <jefis_> it's logs from crash i guess
[11:36] <Roey> spikeb: another thing is that I would get http://rafb.net/paste/results/MLxKnt77.html
[11:36] <Roey> spikeb: why yes, with Debian/sid and LILO and x86-32
[11:37] <Roey> spikeb: LILO seems to have trouble booting x86-64 kernels.
[11:37] <GNAM> j #ubuntu-it
[11:37] <spikeb> hmm
[11:37] <Roey> spikeb: I think it's LILO at least, because grub doesn't exhibit the same instant lockup after the kernel finishes uncompressing.
[11:37] <GNAM> auau
[11:37] <Roey> spikeb: I can test by seeing if lilo here can load x86-32 kernels.
[11:38] <spikeb> Roey alright, then it's not kernel issue. file a bug report 
[11:38] <andrewski> gdh: shoot, kubuntu is installing much that i didn't want/need. :P
[11:38] <Roey> spikeb: ok
[11:38] <Roey> spikeb: to Ubuntu proper?
[11:38] <spikeb> Roey I would think so, because it's not kde related
[11:38] <gdh> andrewski: I don't make the packages / dependencies :)
[11:39] <Roey> spikeb: something I don't get still, is Kubuntu billed as its own distribution, of GNU/Linux or just a distribution of KDE *for* Ubuntu?
[11:39] <spikeb> Roey it's KDE + ubuntu on it's own install cd.
[11:39] <Roey> got it.
[11:39] <Roey> *its
[11:39] <Roey> aye.
[11:39] <Roey> hmm.
[11:39] <spikeb> arg, i messed that up heh
[11:39] <Roey> I know something better I can do at the moment;
[11:40] <haggai> Roey: kubuntu is the first ubuntu-derived distro
[11:40] <gdh> urg, real dairy or nothing, please :)
[11:40] <spikeb> wtf
[11:40] <spikeb> it shouldn't be. it should merely be an install cd flavor.
[11:41] <Roey> gdh: can't do real dairy, am vegan.
[11:41] <gdh> Yes I guessed so :)
[11:41] <gdh> I can't imagine anyone /choosing/ to eat that crap =)
[11:41] <Kyaneos> hi
[11:41] <gdh> anyway, OT - I'll shut up now.
[11:41] <Roey> gdh: it's actually better.
[11:41] <Kyaneos> why is Kubuntu created??
[11:42] <Roey> gdh: try Soy Dream
[11:42] <Kyaneos> why is Kubuntu created for?
[11:42] <Roey> gdh: I don't understand why you think it's not all that good.
[11:42] <Roey> Kyaneos: to provide a KDE theme pack for Ubuntu.
[11:42] <Roey> Kyaneos: Kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE face
[11:42] <Beineri> Kyaneos: so you don't have to download GNOME additionally before you delete it ;-)
[11:43] <smouche> kubuntu is kde for people who used to hate kde.
[11:43] <gdh> Roey: /msg :)
[11:44] <Beineri> smouche: that's funny
[11:44] <Kyaneos> ok
[11:45] <Kyaneos> but if you had a 'custom' installation over Kubuntu you obtain the same that in a 'custom' installation of Ubuntu, had not you??
[11:46] <Kyaneos> but with Ubuntu you can get KDE in the same manner that Gnome
[11:46] <Witigonen> Hey all... how can I get to a partitioning tool on the Kubuntu livecd?
[11:46] <Beineri> "to take it back for KDE" was it
[11:47] <smouche> of course.  But why shouldn't people be able to start out with the desktop environment that they prefer?
[11:47] <Beineri> Witigonen: bribe Riddell 
[11:47] <spikeb> yeah there's talk of an XFCE project similar to kubuntu too :)
[11:47] <Kyaneos> i do not understand why they created Kubuntu
[11:48] <gdh> Witigonen: By using eDonkey for 'partition magic' :)
[11:48] <smouche> spikeb - that would be great!
[11:48] <gdh> Kyaneos: some people prefer KDE to GNOME. Personal choice.
[11:48] <Witigonen> Really?  Kubuntu doesn't have parted or anything?
[11:48] <gdh> Witigonen: not at the present time.
[11:48] <Kyaneos> gdh, but with Ubuntu you can install KDE too
[11:49] <smouche> Kyaneos, you're repeating yourself.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: broadens the base of new users by offering KDE lovers an alternative without needing to install after the fact
[11:49] <Witigonen> Hm.  Well, thanks.
[11:49] <gdh> Kyaneos: Write 'I will not be a troll' and take a clue at the back door as you leave :)
[11:49] <Beineri> Witigonen: the livecd is not intended to touch the hard drives anyway...
[11:50] <smouche> I think it would be helpful if there were just one live-cd with both on them; then folks could choose which install cd to try, ubuntu or kubuntu
[11:50] <Beineri> smouche: bribe amu :-)
[11:50] <Witigonen> Does that go for the Ubuntu livecd as well?
[11:51] <claydoh> would they both fit on a single cd?
[11:51] <gdh> No, they do not both fit on one CD
[11:51] <gdh> that's the whole point why there are two CDs :)
[11:51] <claydoh> plus I already know I prefer KDE toGnome anyway :)
[11:51] <gdh> If there were one CD, then all hell would break loose because one would have to be the 'default selection'
[11:52] <Beineri> gdh: it's a question of design/architecture, eg Linspire has Live and Install-CD in one CD.
[11:52] <paulproteus> gdh++
[11:52] <paulproteus> ;)
[11:52] <gdh> the same old emacs vs. vi for a new millennium *YAWN*
[11:52] <Kyaneos> thank you all
[11:52] <claydoh> there *has* to be something for, um  discussion
[11:53] <cooler> hello all
[11:53] <gdh> Beineri: Linspire is a bag of shite because it contains no useful software on the CD to force you to "Click Nuh Run" and pay for downloads via apt-get
[11:53] <gdh> that's what hell of a business model
[11:53] <cooler> is it possible to install kubuntu from the livecd ?
[11:53] <gdh> cooler: No
[11:53] <gdh> paulproteus:  :)
[11:53] <Beineri> gdh: Wrong. Linspire contains not less software than (K)ubuntu. It contains desktop+OOo+Mozilla
[11:54] <gdh> Beineri: Bah don't cloud my argument with facts :)
[11:54] <gdh> Beineri: Does it still run everything as root?
[11:55] <Beineri> gdh: doesn't it have the same sudo principle as Ubuntu? :-)
[11:55] <gdh> tbh I feelit only does that to stimulate Linux virus growth, and hence the need for Linux anti-virus software...
[11:55] <gdh> Beineri: Not the last time I used it
[11:55] <gdh> That was a year or two ago, mind
[11:55] <smouche> so, basically what you're saying gentlemen, is that Linspire is not "a bag of shite" , it's just "a shitty bag"...
[11:56] <gdh> smouche: It's a commercial Linux in the most distasteful flavour.
[11:56] <gdh> Oh here's a good quetsion - how do I view the History of a chat in Kopete?
[11:56] <gdh> the 'View History' option I see in my Debian workstatiion is not present in Kub...
[11:56] <Beineri> gdh: and afaik apt-get works on Debian repository on Linspire without requiring you to pay ;-)
[11:56] <gdh> and yesthe 'History' plugin is enabled :)
[11:56] <smouche> don't know gdh; I just log everything with x-chat.
[11:57] <gdh> Beineri: Of course - but Mom and Pop who bought it on a PC from Wal-Mart don't know that :|