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mdke | hi | 01:08 |
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Flonne | Hi. | 01:09 |
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Burgundavia | Kinnison, ping | 01:56 |
Burgundavia | mdke, you here? | 02:04 |
mdke | yeah | 02:04 |
mdke | hiya | 02:04 |
Burgundavia | do you have a dvd player? | 02:04 |
mdke | yes | 02:04 |
Burgundavia | you have totem-gstreamer? | 02:05 |
mdke | not sure | 02:05 |
mdke | if its in ubuntu-desktop | 02:05 |
Burgundavia | about on totem will tell you | 02:05 |
mdke | yeah ok i do | 02:05 |
mdke | inserting dvd now | 02:06 |
Burgundavia | see if it says it is streaming | 02:06 |
mdke | totem could not play dvd, reason unknown | 02:06 |
Burgundavia | ok | 02:06 |
Burgundavia | you have marillait repos | 02:06 |
mdke | no | 02:06 |
Burgundavia | aah | 02:07 |
mdke | but i have libdvdcss | 02:07 |
Burgundavia | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main | 02:07 |
Burgundavia | ok | 02:07 |
mdke | do i still need to add? | 02:07 |
Burgundavia | get libdvdcss2 | 02:07 |
mdke | actually i think that is the one i have | 02:07 |
mdke | lemme check | 02:07 |
mdke | yes | 02:08 |
Burgundavia | I would add that repo anyway | 02:08 |
Burgundavia | and install that versin | 02:08 |
mdke | hmm | 02:08 |
mdke | i probably have the wrong version | 02:08 |
mdke | says 1.2.8-woody | 02:08 |
mdke | problem is I don't like marillat because it conflicts with my ubuntu mplayer | 02:09 |
mdke | anyway have added and am updating | 02:09 |
mdke | Burgundavia, dvd still not working | 02:13 |
Burgundavia | err | 02:13 |
Burgundavia | I just did a fresh install | 02:14 |
Burgundavia | gstremer didn't work on my old machine | 02:14 |
Burgundavia | but it does now | 02:14 |
mdke | running it from a terminal tells me that gstreamer doesn't seem to like video/mpeg or audio/x-ac3 | 02:14 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 02:14 |
Burgundavia | it seems gstreamer is still borked | 02:15 |
mdke | have you tried with a new user? | 02:15 |
Burgundavia | I am a new user | 02:15 |
Burgundavia | I just reinstalled today | 02:15 |
mdke | oh | 02:15 |
Burgundavia | this why I am thinking about this | 02:16 |
Flonne | I'm about to re-install... | 02:16 |
Flonne | x86? | 02:16 |
Burgundavia | yes, I run x86 | 02:18 |
mdke | Burgundavia, so its not normal for totem to dislike mpeg files? | 02:18 |
Burgundavia | yes | 02:18 |
Flonne | Want me to check/set anything when I do it? | 02:18 |
Burgundavia | totem-gstreamer is mostly borked | 02:18 |
Burgundavia | Flonne, not really | 02:18 |
Burgundavia | I am just looking to confirm some errors and usability glitches | 02:18 |
mdke | mplayer plays it fine | 02:18 |
mdke | pah | 02:18 |
Flonne | Do either of you have an amd64 system? | 02:19 |
Burgundavia | totem-xine is better, but patent encumbered | 02:19 |
Burgundavia | nope | 02:19 |
mdke | Flonne, no | 02:19 |
mdke | hmm when I say fine, I mean without sound | 02:19 |
Flonne | I can't seem to create a gstreamer object on mine, but that was Preview. | 02:19 |
Burgundavia | gstreamer is a very nice framework, but the plugins need some work | 02:20 |
Flonne | Oh, well... Gentoo server goes down; Ubuntu server goes up. | 02:21 |
Burgundavia | just a sec, going to reboot x | 02:22 |
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mdke | Burgundavia, solved my totem issue i reckon | 02:28 |
mdke | there is a mpeg4, ac3, divx plugin | 02:28 |
Burgundavia | you needed gstreamer plugn | 02:29 |
mdke | thats what i mean | 02:29 |
mdke | yeah it's working now | 02:29 |
mdke | oh no | 02:30 |
mdke | its playing but it is slow as hell | 02:30 |
mdke | keeps freezing | 02:30 |
Burgundavia | dma | 02:30 |
Burgundavia | sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc | 02:30 |
mdke | thats not it | 02:30 |
Burgundavia | ok | 02:30 |
mdke | plays fine in mplayer | 02:30 |
Burgundavia | gstreamer used to that | 02:30 |
mdke | and its much slower than that | 02:30 |
Burgundavia | before I reinstalled | 02:30 |
mdke | hmm | 02:32 |
mdke | lemme install more plugins | 02:33 |
mdke | ok installing more plugins has improved it, but its still jerky and the sound is rubbish | 02:37 |
Burgundavia | any rss feeds you recommmend? | 02:39 |
mdke | hmm | 02:40 |
mdke | i use bbc world news and the ubuntu wiki new pages lol | 02:40 |
mdke | actually i wanted to ask about the docteam | 02:40 |
mdke | are we cracking on with some new guides now? | 02:41 |
Burgundavia | my major push for hoary is the faqguide | 02:41 |
Burgundavia | s/hoary/breezy | 02:41 |
mdke | heh | 02:41 |
mdke | has it been started? | 02:41 |
mdke | what other docs are there? | 02:41 |
Burgundavia | sort of | 02:41 |
Burgundavia | quickguide | 02:41 |
Burgundavia | and userguide | 02:41 |
mdke | userguide sounds interesting | 02:42 |
mdke | is that "how to set up my email client" stuff? | 02:42 |
Burgundavia | sort of | 02:44 |
Burgundavia | userguide and faqguide are going to have to define which is which | 02:44 |
Burgundavia | that is not clear yet | 02:44 |
mdke | what else is on? | 02:45 |
Burgundavia | update quickguide | 02:46 |
Burgundavia | and the portal | 02:46 |
mdke | no systemguide or anything? | 02:46 |
Burgundavia | ah yes | 02:46 |
Burgundavia | admin guide | 02:46 |
mdke | ok so lots | 02:47 |
mdke | when are we starting? | 02:47 |
Burgundavia | right now | 02:47 |
mdke | ok | 02:47 |
Flonne | I've got the Installation draft ready to go (well, as soon as I confirm the steps on an oldworld Mac), so I just need to know where to put it... | 02:50 |
Burgundavia | wiki for now | 02:51 |
mdke | Burgundavia, you know if its possible to get rid of this update manager chap in the panel? | 02:56 |
Burgundavia | the little red circle? | 02:56 |
mdke | that's the little devil | 02:56 |
Burgundavia | update your system | 02:58 |
Burgundavia | it will go away | 02:58 |
mdke | thats not the point! | 02:58 |
mdke | it will come back | 02:58 |
Burgundavia | it is there for a reason | 02:59 |
Burgundavia | you can | 02:59 |
Burgundavia | stop the daemon | 02:59 |
Burgundavia | and kill the cron.daily process | 02:59 |
mdke | it is there for a reason? | 02:59 |
Burgundavia | yes | 02:59 |
mdke | what happened to choice? | 02:59 |
Burgundavia | to tell people to update there machines | 02:59 |
Burgundavia | sorry, good default wins out | 02:59 |
mdke | i'm happy with default | 02:59 |
mdke | but there is nothing wrong with "remove from panel" | 02:59 |
Burgundavia | it is not in the panel | 03:00 |
Burgundavia | it is in the notification area | 03:00 |
mdke | ok yeah | 03:00 |
mdke | which is in the panel | 03:00 |
Burgundavia | you can kill the notif area | 03:00 |
Burgundavia | but it is a bad idea | 03:00 |
Flonne | But if you remove that, you lose everything it holds. | 03:01 |
mdke | especially because then xchat will close | 03:01 |
Burgundavia | huh? | 03:01 |
Flonne | I don't think that will close X-Chat... | 03:01 |
Burgundavia | mdke, it has been proven that users will not update unless forced to | 03:01 |
Burgundavia | shiny red icons screaming at them do that | 03:01 |
mdke | i don't dispute that | 03:01 |
mdke | but i don't want it | 03:01 |
Burgundavia | ok | 03:01 |
Burgundavia | 1. kill the daemon | 03:02 |
Burgundavia | 2. kill the startup that starts the daemon | 03:02 |
mdke | i don't think asking for that sort of choice is unreasonable | 03:02 |
Burgundavia | mdke, as an IT professional, this is something that you SHOULD NOT be able to turn off | 03:02 |
Burgundavia | end of story | 03:02 |
Burgundavia | sorry | 03:02 |
mdke | rubbish | 03:02 |
mdke | i update my other systems | 03:03 |
mdke | and they don't have it | 03:03 |
mdke | i agree its a good idea to have it | 03:03 |
Burgundavia | yes, but we talking the great unwashed | 03:03 |
Burgundavia | and if you offer the option, people will turn it off | 03:03 |
mdke | ok | 03:03 |
Burgundavia | and that is a very very very bad thing | 03:03 |
mdke | 1. I don't dispute its a good default | 03:03 |
mdke | 2. unwashed people should be washed | 03:03 |
Burgundavia | mdke, it can be turned off | 03:03 |
Burgundavia | it has 2 parts | 03:04 |
mdke | instead of deodorised | 03:04 |
Burgundavia | a daemon that checks for updates | 03:04 |
Burgundavia | and the part that puts the icon there | 03:04 |
Burgundavia | kill the daemon, and you are set | 03:04 |
mdke | do you know how i can do that? | 03:05 |
Burgundavia | let me check | 03:05 |
mdke | perhaps removing it from my session and saving will be sufficient | 03:06 |
Burgundavia | might do | 03:07 |
mdke | yes that seems to have done the trick i think | 03:08 |
Burgundavia | the notification icon will put up with any update | 03:08 |
Burgundavia | thus if you reload in syn and it has updates, it will do it then to | 03:08 |
mdke | yeah | 03:09 |
mdke | well i guess the user who wants to remove it can always uninstall it :/ | 03:10 |
Burgundavia | that too | 03:11 |
Burgundavia | but I insist, there should be no reason to remove it | 03:11 |
Burgundavia | I keep my machines up to date too | 03:11 |
Burgundavia | but I still keep the icon | 03:11 |
mdke | another daemon | 03:11 |
Burgundavia | if you have a slow macine, then it might be an issue | 03:12 |
mdke | ok | 03:12 |
mdke | ok i'm off to bed | 03:13 |
mdke | good night | 03:13 |
Burgundavia | cya | 03:15 |
Flonne | Burgundavia, do you have any idea how to physically move a partition? | 03:20 |
Burgundavia | move? | 03:20 |
Burgundavia | gparted will grow and shrink parts | 03:21 |
Flonne | Yeah. Move every block from one location to another. | 03:21 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 03:21 |
Flonne | I know, but it only works on the tail. | 03:21 |
Burgundavia | it must be possible | 03:21 |
Flonne | At least the version I have... | 03:21 |
Flonne | I need to move the head down by about four gigs. | 03:21 |
Flonne | I could just create a new partition at the end, move all existing data into that, remove the first partition, create a new one four gigs up, move all the data back, restroy the temp partition, then grow the one that's left, but that seems horribly slow and it would be a total hackjob. | 03:23 |
Flonne | destroy* | 03:23 |
Burgundavia | I was thinking that might be the only way to do ti | 03:25 |
Flonne | Ah... It looks like parted can do what I want, but its interface is quite cryptic. | 03:41 |
Flonne | (gparted seems to lack this... Maybe it's unsafe) | 03:41 |
Flonne | Bleh. I get a "Can't move a partition onto itself error." | 03:45 |
Burgundavia | try gparted or qtparted | 03:49 |
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Flonne | Too late; it b0rked. :) | 05:01 |
Burgundavia | hmm? | 05:06 |
Flonne | A reiserfsck recovered everything importantish, but the move failed. | 05:11 |
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Burgundavia | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/badgers.html | 06:43 |
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froud | African Greetings | 10:00 |
froud | puke my DSL router gave in on me last night. | 10:00 |
Burgundavia | great | 10:02 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 10:06 |
Burgundavia | I am working on this ubuntu brochure | 10:06 |
Burgundavia | should i committ to the generic folder in the branch? | 10:06 |
froud | cool what ubuntu brochue? | 10:07 |
froud | is it about GNOME or/and KDE | 10:07 |
froud | If about both it goes in Generic | 10:07 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 10:07 |
Burgundavia | just mentions Ubuntu right now | 10:08 |
froud | if about GNOME put in gnome | 10:08 |
froud | gnome | 10:08 |
froud | check it in under gnome | 10:08 |
Burgundavia | ok | 10:09 |
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sivang | howdy all | 11:46 |
froud | hello sivang | 11:46 |
Burgundavia | salut | 11:46 |
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sivang | salutte Burgundavia , ahalan froud | 11:49 |
froud | mienyanim | 11:49 |
froud | kohev li ha rosh | 11:50 |
sivang | froud: lama ma kara? hakol beseder ahi ? | 11:51 |
froud | ' | 11:55 |
Burgundavia | I see unicode | 11:55 |
froud | its in hebrew | 11:55 |
Burgundavia | I figured as much | 11:56 |
Burgundavia | there is a really crazy of teaching hebrew in Ubuntu | 11:56 |
sivang | froud: ooops, my unicode is broken at the moment | 11:56 |
froud | so you dont see the hebrew characters | 11:56 |
sivang | Burgundavia: there is? who else is on the craze? | 11:56 |
sivang | froud: let's stick to fonetic if you wish | 11:56 |
sivang | :-) | 11:56 |
froud | what craze? | 11:56 |
Burgundavia | sivang, Kinnison | 11:57 |
froud | No I speak it | 11:57 |
Burgundavia | they dance when I highlight them | 11:57 |
froud | I just never type in hebrew characaters | 11:57 |
sivang | Burgundavia: eh, the poor guy I owe him some docs with some instrucitnons... | 11:57 |
sivang | Burgundavia: froud knows hebrew probably better then me :-) | 11:57 |
Burgundavia | I must say, the hebrew is almost unreadable | 11:57 |
Burgundavia | very very small and light | 11:58 |
froud | Burgundavia: speaks hebrew | 11:58 |
froud | oh my bad | 11:58 |
froud | now I get it | 11:58 |
froud | no way sivang my hebrew is bad | 11:59 |
sivang | Kinnison: ping | 11:59 |
froud | sivang: do you see the hebrew characters? | 11:59 |
sivang | froud: no, unicode is broken from whre I am currently | 11:59 |
froud | oh well | 11:59 |
sivang | froud: have you been contacted by someone from the .IL LocoTeam, I forwarded him the files yous sent me, he seemed keento help tranlate them | 12:00 |
froud | but my keyboard does not have hebrew keys so it is hard to remember where stuff is :-) | 12:00 |
froud | sivang: cool | 12:00 |
froud | I go back to hacking now, c ya | 12:01 |
sivang | froud: laters | 12:01 |
froud | 521 or 571 MB of Kubuntu iso downloaded :-) | 12:02 |
froud | I am gonna spread Kubuntu far and wide :-) | 12:02 |
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jsgotangco | good evening everyone :) | 12:24 |
Burgundavia | go morning | 12:25 |
Burgundavia | s/go/good | 12:25 |
jsgotangco | Burgey | 12:25 |
jsgotangco | if i remember before you were making a presentation for ubuntu | 12:25 |
jsgotangco | for a local lug? | 12:25 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 12:25 |
Burgundavia | bigger than that | 12:25 |
Burgundavia | Linux fest north west | 12:26 |
jsgotangco | i got invited to speak to a conference | 12:26 |
jsgotangco | for Ubuntu | 12:26 |
Burgundavia | cool | 12:26 |
jsgotangco | but i have no idea what to present | 12:26 |
Burgundavia | join the club | 12:26 |
jsgotangco | what were you planning? | 12:26 |
jsgotangco | anyway the conference is still in October | 12:26 |
Burgundavia | my talk is called Ubuntu:Not just a funny name anymore | 12:26 |
Burgundavia | basically a look at Ubuntu, then and now | 12:26 |
Burgundavia | the audience is mostly geeks | 12:26 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 12:27 |
Burgundavia | who probably know a lot more than me | 12:27 |
jsgotangco | can i take a peek at your notes? | 12:27 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 12:27 |
Burgundavia | 21 days | 12:27 |
jsgotangco | its ok | 12:27 |
jsgotangco | no rush | 12:27 |
jsgotangco | mines october anyway | 12:27 |
Burgundavia | I figure I will start writing about the 25th of Apr | 12:27 |
Burgundavia | there are some good talks already on the wiki | 12:27 |
jsgotangco | but since its october i was thinking of breezy | 12:28 |
jsgotangco | so i still have a 6 month headstart | 12:28 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 12:28 |
Burgundavia | good plan | 12:28 |
Burgundavia | when is your talk? | 12:28 |
jsgotangco | No definite date yet but the organizer said late Sept/early Oct. | 12:28 |
Burgundavia | just before Breezy launches | 12:28 |
Burgundavia | good timing | 12:28 |
jsgotangco | yeah thats what i had in mind | 12:29 |
jsgotangco | the organizer asked if they could invite someone from canonical say mako, but i asked them if they are willing to shoulder costs on bringing him over | 12:30 |
Burgundavia | mako is in NYC | 12:30 |
Burgundavia | better to grab jdub | 12:30 |
jsgotangco | good idea | 12:30 |
Burgundavia | because dist aust-->phil is < nyc-->phil | 12:31 |
jsgotangco | well i heard mako went to shanghai a few months ago for AsiaOSC | 12:31 |
Burgundavia | mako is canonicals community rep | 12:32 |
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Burgundavia | that is odd | 12:35 |
Burgundavia | xchat just died | 12:36 |
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jsgotangco | agghhh wiki work | 01:23 |
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jsgotangco | hi enrico | 01:59 |
Burgundavia | salut enrico | 02:00 |
enrico | Hi all! | 02:01 |
jsgotangco | ok i go to dinner first | 02:03 |
jsgotangco | bbl | 02:03 |
enrico | whoops! The release notes mention the FAQ Guide :) | 02:16 |
jsgotangco | and our FAQ in the site is empty :( | 02:18 |
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mdke | hi all | 02:30 |
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mdke | afternoon froud | 02:31 |
froud | 'ello | 02:31 |
jsgotangco | hi guys | 02:33 |
maskie | hi froud | 02:33 |
jsgotangco | i was reading thru the logs | 02:33 |
froud | ello maskie | 02:33 |
jsgotangco | does development for breezy also branch then later merged to their trunk? | 02:34 |
froud | how's cape town today | 02:34 |
maskie | hot and windy | 02:34 |
froud | warm up here, no wind | 02:34 |
jsgotangco | i watched a silly movie with my daughter today | 02:35 |
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maskie | the wind is not that bad today | 02:35 |
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claude | snow in Switzerland :-P | 02:36 |
mdke | nice | 02:36 |
jsgotangco | i wish we had snow here in asia | 02:36 |
Burgundavia | snow is evil | 02:36 |
mdke | whereabouts in switzerland are you claude ? | 02:36 |
mdke | Burgundavia, snow = skiing :) | 02:36 |
Burgundavia | that is fine | 02:36 |
Burgundavia | snow belongs on ski hills | 02:36 |
Burgundavia | not on driveways | 02:36 |
jsgotangco | poo in snow is bad | 02:36 |
mdke | good point | 02:37 |
xhosa | oook Kubuntu rocks | 02:37 |
Burgundavia | xhosa, you are still froud | 02:37 |
jsgotangco | i was thinking of a good motto for us to think about when doing stuff | 02:37 |
Burgundavia | stop astroturfing | 02:37 |
xhosa | yep | 02:37 |
claude | mdke: Chaux-de-Fonds (Neuchatel) | 02:37 |
jsgotangco | I can only think of one | 02:37 |
jsgotangco | PUU - People Use Ubuntu | 02:37 |
jsgotangco | but i want something much better | 02:37 |
mdke | jsgotangco, just put on eye of the tiger or something | 02:38 |
Burgundavia | UPYOURS | 02:38 |
jsgotangco | in spongebob its POOP - People Order Our Patty | 02:38 |
Burgundavia | Ubuntu People Yes Our Ubuntu Rocks | 02:38 |
mdke | S | 02:38 |
jsgotangco | UP YOURS | 02:39 |
jsgotangco | ? | 02:39 |
Burgundavia | UPYOURS - Ubuntu People Yes Our Ubuntu Rocks | 02:39 |
mdke | so what's going on? | 02:40 |
jsgotangco | but i was thinking of having the end user in mind to remind us | 02:40 |
mdke | it looks like we're having some kind of meeting ;) | 02:40 |
xhosa | Hmm, I am considering ditching my SuSE for Kubuntu | 02:41 |
jsgotangco | how is kubuntu? i gotta try that next week | 02:41 |
xhosa | jsgotangco: very smooth | 02:42 |
froud | jsgotangco: definately worth downloading the iso | 02:43 |
claude | froukde :) | 02:43 |
jsgotangco | I WILL :D | 02:43 |
mdke | it cohabits happily with gnome right? | 02:43 |
jsgotangco | jridell did a good job i heard | 02:44 |
jsgotangco | i like the 3 dragons | 02:44 |
jsgotangco | they should keep that | 02:44 |
froud | yes | 02:44 |
mdke | yes it cohabits with gnome? | 02:45 |
froud | but once you use it you will unistall your gnome | 02:45 |
froud | :-) | 02:45 |
mdke | so how does it work, I keep using gdm? | 02:45 |
jsgotangco | i think kdm has much better handling for other de | 02:45 |
jsgotangco | compared to gdm | 02:45 |
froud | agreed | 02:46 |
froud | http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php | 02:46 |
jsgotangco | the the wireless monitor in kde works even with ndiswrapper..it doesnt work with our gnome | 02:47 |
mdke | ok that's a good document | 02:48 |
mdke | but no way vis-a-verse is a real word :p | 02:48 |
mdke | ok i'll try installing it on my laptop | 02:48 |
jsgotangco | whoa froud you did this by yourself? | 02:49 |
mdke | is it going to be hard to remove it afterwards? | 02:49 |
jsgotangco | i dont think so | 02:49 |
jsgotangco | your gnome settings still are there (mostly) | 02:50 |
mdke | huh? mostly? | 02:51 |
jsgotangco | well thats what i experienced in mdk b4 | 02:51 |
mdke | what did you lose? | 02:51 |
jsgotangco | not much of an impact but i dont remember specifically but with apt it wont be much of a problem i guess | 02:53 |
jsgotangco | what does KGX mean? | 02:53 |
mdke | apt is not great at removing things | 02:53 |
jsgotangco | oohh charles got married *grin* | 02:56 |
mdke | yeah | 02:56 |
jsgotangco | im not that familiar with euro monarchs but camilia looks like that guy from rolling stones | 02:57 |
mdke | how dare you insult my country | 03:04 |
mdke | mick jagger is a lot better looking than her | 03:04 |
claude | lol | 03:05 |
jsgotangco | hahah | 03:05 |
jsgotangco | does she become queen when charles becomes king? | 03:06 |
mdke | i've stopped listening to that part of the news | 03:07 |
mdke | but i think so | 03:07 |
jsgotangco | their marriage got in between the pope and rainier's death | 03:07 |
daven | no, she gets a funny title | 03:14 |
daven | "Princess Consort" | 03:15 |
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daven | which means she'll never become queen | 03:20 |
jsgotangco | good thing theyll never have kids | 03:21 |
daven | i think they're too old | 03:23 |
daven | gosh - i *hope* they're too old | 03:23 |
jsgotangco | jeezz i know im going to be old like them but thinking about what theyre going to do later gives me goosebumps | 03:26 |
froud | nrings new meaning to the phrase "long live the queen" | 03:29 |
jsgotangco | ahhh children are gods gift indeed | 04:02 |
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froud | getting close to commiting new make system in branch | 04:03 |
froud | must do testing tonight | 04:03 |
froud | then commit | 04:03 |
froud | hope I dont delete all the files on your hard disks | 04:03 |
jsgotangco | ok ive been reading thru that link you gave me and learning a lot | 04:04 |
froud | which svn book | 04:04 |
froud | it is a must read | 04:04 |
=== froud welcome back enrico | ||
froud | we missed you buddy | 04:13 |
enrico | hi! | 04:16 |
jsgotangco | its been a while | 04:23 |
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jsgotangco | goodnite everyone | 04:45 |
froud | good night | 04:45 |
froud | enrico: do you want the english document to be in C? | 05:22 |
froud | enrico: or is the root of the working folder? | 05:22 |
enrico | froud: no idea | 05:23 |
froud | enrico: each i18n document will have its own dir | 05:23 |
froud | what is easier for packaging? | 05:23 |
enrico | philosophically, I'd like every language to have its own directory | 05:23 |
froud | ok we are using the ISO naming convention fr, ca, de etc you want english doc in en | 05:24 |
enrico | for packaging, I'm doing so many rearranging at deb-build time that I tend to believe anything is fine :) | 05:24 |
froud | yeah I want to reduce the rearranging | 05:24 |
froud | cut down on over head | 05:24 |
enrico | It mainly depends how it'll need to be installed in the resulting system | 05:25 |
enrico | the bigger problems were the links to ../lib and so on (and I needed to do lots of symlinks) | 05:25 |
enrico | I don't know if we can foresee what destination will be for Breezy | 05:25 |
enrico | (although we could assume that it's the same as now | 05:26 |
enrico | ) | 05:26 |
froud | I have many libs now | 05:26 |
enrico | in which case, we have problems anyway in sharing images | 05:26 |
froud | one for common, one for gnome, one for kde, one for generic | 05:27 |
froud | menu system is lang specific and auto built | 05:27 |
enrico | awesome | 05:27 |
froud | Ok I will leave the en doc in the root of the working folder | 05:28 |
froud | that way it is easier to find for authors | 05:28 |
froud | and denotes that it is the driver for all else | 05:28 |
froud | btw, OMF files are also created dynamic on first instance | 05:29 |
froud | I think we should keep OMF files with their documents | 05:29 |
froud | last time we forgot to translate them | 05:29 |
froud | we had to rush it at the last second | 05:30 |
enrico | in that case, call it C | 05:30 |
enrico | yes, exactly. OMF files should not be separate | 05:30 |
froud | OK C it will be | 05:31 |
froud | if I make the dir it saves you having to make it, right? | 05:32 |
enrico | froud: say it again? | 05:33 |
enrico | ah, ok | 05:34 |
froud | if we develop the english document is C it saves you having to make it | 05:34 |
enrico | y..yess | 05:34 |
froud | In build I will create gnome/docuname/C/ | 05:34 |
froud | gnome/docuname/fr/ | 05:35 |
froud | gnome/docuname/de/ | 05:35 |
froud | etc | 05:35 |
enrico | yes | 05:35 |
froud | ok cool, so glad you are back :-) | 05:35 |
enrico | Limited time, though | 05:35 |
froud | huh why? | 05:35 |
enrico | now I'm in a bit of information overload. | 05:35 |
enrico | also | 05:35 |
enrico | full time job getting more and more full time | 05:36 |
froud | ouch I think I better learn the deb packaging stuff, sooner than later. Must find time though | 05:36 |
froud | first get the new restructure over | 05:36 |
enrico | froud: you do already a lot with the docbook stuff :) | 05:36 |
froud | practically making everything automatic | 05:37 |
froud | only one problem | 05:37 |
froud | cant make a single document | 05:37 |
froud | have to build all gnome | 05:37 |
froud | or kde | 05:37 |
froud | or generic | 05:37 |
froud | :-( | 05:37 |
froud | must find method | 05:38 |
enrico | how come? | 05:38 |
froud | each do now will have a file called modvars.make | 05:39 |
froud | looks like this | 05:39 |
froud | BUILD_FILE=/index.html | 05:39 |
froud | HTML_XSL=../libs/about-ubuntu-html-cust.xsl | 05:39 |
froud | FIG_DIR=../images | 05:39 |
froud | DOC_NAME=about-ubuntu | 05:39 |
froud | LANG=C | 05:39 |
froud | OMF_FILE=$DOC_NAME-$LANG.omf | 05:39 |
froud | SUBJECT="General|Linux|Distributions|Other" | 05:39 |
froud | IDENTIFIER=file:///usr/share/gnome/help/$DOC_NAME/$LANG/$DOC_NAME.xml | 05:39 |
froud | SERIES_ID=7fb11226-8a1d-11d9-9fcf-ff970c259736 | 05:39 |
froud | it gets sourced from the top make | 05:39 |
froud | the code that does the work is generic | 05:39 |
froud | so it can be applied to generic, kde and gnome | 05:40 |
froud | I just need to find a way of passing a single module to the code | 05:40 |
enrico | I can't look at it now (brain exploding), but a general suggestion: don't overdesign | 05:41 |
mdke | lol | 05:41 |
froud | sure, can be a problem | 05:41 |
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froud | what you loling at mdke | 05:42 |
mdke | poor enrico | 05:42 |
froud | you can lol when you come to kde | 05:42 |
mdke | i'm just logging in now | 05:42 |
mdke | laughing out loud at the time its taking to login | 05:42 |
mdke | omg | 05:42 |
mdke | and also lol @ login sound | 05:42 |
froud | cool | 05:42 |
enrico | froud: also look at http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?YouArentGonnaNeedIt | 05:42 |
froud | everything I now impliment is from the experience with hoary | 05:43 |
enrico | froud: that's always a good read :) | 05:44 |
froud | we had to mant things to touch in the make and packaging for my liking | 05:44 |
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enrico | but that's not an opinion on what you're doing: I trust what you do | 05:44 |
froud | sure | 05:44 |
froud | there are howver things poping in between my ears, but we have not needed them, yet | 05:44 |
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froud | mdke run KControl dude | 05:45 |
froud | and see the power | 05:45 |
mkde | lol | 05:45 |
mkde | i'm familiar with kde | 05:45 |
enrico | froud: :) yes, when something's not needed, it's useful to postpone it | 05:45 |
enrico | or to not thing about it | 05:45 |
enrico | because when it'll be needed, it'll be needed in a different way you are thinking of coding it today :) | 05:46 |
froud | enrico: you know me I am lazy as hell | 05:46 |
froud | script everything, that's the way to get out of work and go to the beach | 05:46 |
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enrico | then at the beach you get a mobile phone ring saying that the script broke :) | 05:46 |
mdke | argh | 05:47 |
mdke | kde has inserted a wastebin on my gnome desktop | 05:47 |
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enrico | (that's why you never should go to the beach with the mobile phone. Bullshit that it's because of the sand :) | 05:47 |
froud | lol | 05:47 |
froud | gnome should have a wastebin on the desktop. Its a design flaw of gnome, not KDE | 05:48 |
mdke | *cough* | 05:48 |
froud | hey I got scripts to write | 05:48 |
mdke | its a bug in ubuntu | 05:48 |
froud | yes, not Kubuntu | 05:49 |
froud | c ya | 05:49 |
mdke | froud, i do not distinguish | 05:49 |
froud | back to scripts | 05:49 |
mdke | k | 05:49 |
froud | enrico: can I call a make target from within a make target | 05:50 |
froud | 1: | 05:51 |
froud | ..... | 05:51 |
froud | make 2: | 05:51 |
enrico | sure | 05:51 |
froud | OK | 05:51 |
enrico | $(MAKE) 2 is better, I think | 05:51 |
froud | enrico: like this | 05:56 |
froud | all: gnome kde generic | 05:56 |
froud | gnome: | 05:56 |
froud | 05:56 | |
froud | DIR = `ls -d gnome/` | 05:56 |
froud | SUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/` | 05:56 |
froud | BUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR) | 05:56 |
froud | make build | 05:56 |
froud | kde: | 05:56 |
froud | DIR = `ls -d kde/` | 05:56 |
froud | SUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/` | 05:56 |
froud | BUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR) | 05:57 |
froud | make build | 05:57 |
froud | generic: | 05:57 |
froud | DIR = `ls -d generic/` | 05:57 |
froud | SUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/` | 05:57 |
froud | BUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR) | 05:57 |
froud | make build | 05:57 |
froud | build: | 05:57 |
enrico | I think it should work | 05:58 |
froud | OK where build is the same object code for each make target | 05:59 |
froud | and build loads modvars.make from each document in for loop | 05:59 |
mdke | does anyone here know how to call ssh commands with a particular key? I haven't had an answer in #ubuntu so am trying here in desperation | 06:04 |
enrico | froud: actually, you should do it differently | 06:06 |
enrico | you rename modvars.make in Makefile | 06:07 |
froud | ok | 06:07 |
enrico | then include a makefile snipped with the common stuff | 06:07 |
enrico | then make the makefile in the upper dir invoke the makefiles in the lower sones | 06:07 |
froud | but then I have multiple make files | 06:08 |
enrico | then if you want to only build or validate something, you cd into something ad do "make" | 06:08 |
enrico | sure | 06:08 |
froud | each needing attention | 06:08 |
enrico | every project has a makefile per directory | 06:08 |
enrico | not much attention, because they all define a bunch of vars (like your modvars.make do) then include THE makefile stuff | 06:08 |
enrico | from one single point | 06:08 |
froud | but for example about ubuntu uses a different XSL | 06:09 |
enrico | then you define the XSL name in the Makefile of about-ubuntu | 06:09 |
enrico | all the others use a default XSL file | 06:09 |
froud | Hmmm, ok must think about it. I can always split what I am doing now to work that way | 06:10 |
enrico | make does all the things of fixing paths to point to .., ../.. or whatever depending on the level of nesting (IIRC) | 06:10 |
froud | Ok what I will do is hack this way and then commit. that way more eyes can see it. | 06:11 |
froud | foood, grub, nosh time | 06:11 |
froud | back in a few minutes | 06:12 |
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scorpix | hi | 07:25 |
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froud | scorpix: hello | 07:28 |
scorpix | what program is good for translating the ubuntuguide.org? | 07:29 |
froud | we have ubuntuguide.org in svn and use pot/po via Rosetta | 07:30 |
froud | There is not easy way to do it via the web site | 07:30 |
froud | if you like you can hack the src and update it to hoary | 07:30 |
froud | the doc is currently at warty | 07:30 |
scorpix | is there a guide or a howto on using rosseta with svn? | 07:30 |
scorpix | cuz i usually use kbabel | 07:31 |
froud | not exactly, we have docbook xml src of that doc in svn and make a POT file when it need translation | 07:31 |
scorpix | where can i get rosetta? | 07:32 |
froud | scorpix: Rosetta is a web app | 07:37 |
froud | you get the pot from there | 07:37 |
froud | but if you have svn src you can also just create a pot and do the po you want | 07:38 |
froud | using KBabel | 07:38 |
froud | but be warned that that doc is currently updated to warty so is out of date | 07:38 |
froud | do you want to translate the hoaryy version? | 07:39 |
froud | or the current version | 07:39 |
scorpix | back | 07:54 |
scorpix | yes i want to translate the hoary version | 07:54 |
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froud | scorpix: the hoary version does not exist | 08:38 |
froud | we need to port the warty version to hoary | 08:39 |
froud | scorpix: if you feel like doing that then the src is in svn see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam as your starting point | 08:39 |
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mdke | woa | 09:03 |
mdke | early to bed ;) | 09:03 |
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