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mdkehi01:08
FlonneHi.01:09
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BurgundaviaKinnison, ping01:56
Burgundaviamdke, you here?02:04
mdkeyeah02:04
mdkehiya02:04
Burgundaviado you have a dvd player?02:04
mdkeyes02:04
Burgundaviayou have totem-gstreamer?02:05
mdkenot sure02:05
mdkeif its in ubuntu-desktop02:05
Burgundaviaabout on totem will tell you02:05
mdkeyeah ok i do02:05
mdkeinserting dvd now02:06
Burgundaviasee if it says it is streaming02:06
mdketotem could not play dvd, reason unknown02:06
Burgundaviaok02:06
Burgundaviayou have marillait repos02:06
mdkeno02:06
Burgundaviaaah02:07
mdkebut i have libdvdcss02:07
Burgundaviaadd  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main02:07
Burgundaviaok02:07
mdkedo i still need to add?02:07
Burgundaviaget libdvdcss202:07
mdkeactually i think that is the one i have02:07
mdkelemme check02:07
mdkeyes02:08
BurgundaviaI would add that repo anyway02:08
Burgundaviaand install that versin02:08
mdkehmm02:08
mdkei probably have the wrong version02:08
mdkesays 1.2.8-woody02:08
mdkeproblem is I don't like marillat because it conflicts with my ubuntu mplayer02:09
mdkeanyway have added and am updating02:09
mdkeBurgundavia, dvd still not working02:13
Burgundaviaerr02:13
BurgundaviaI just did a fresh install02:14
Burgundaviagstremer didn't work on my old machine02:14
Burgundaviabut it does now02:14
mdkerunning it from a terminal tells me that gstreamer doesn't seem to like video/mpeg or audio/x-ac302:14
Burgundaviahmm02:14
Burgundaviait seems gstreamer is still borked02:15
mdkehave you tried with a new user?02:15
BurgundaviaI am a new user02:15
BurgundaviaI just reinstalled today02:15
mdkeoh02:15
Burgundaviathis why I am thinking about this02:16
FlonneI'm about to re-install...02:16
Flonnex86?02:16
Burgundaviayes, I run x8602:18
mdkeBurgundavia, so its not normal for totem to dislike mpeg files?02:18
Burgundaviayes02:18
FlonneWant me to check/set anything when I do it?02:18
Burgundaviatotem-gstreamer is mostly borked02:18
BurgundaviaFlonne, not really02:18
BurgundaviaI am just looking to confirm some errors and usability glitches02:18
mdkemplayer plays it fine02:18
mdkepah02:18
FlonneDo either of you have an amd64 system?02:19
Burgundaviatotem-xine is better, but patent encumbered02:19
Burgundavianope02:19
mdkeFlonne, no02:19
mdkehmm when I say fine, I mean without sound02:19
FlonneI can't seem to create a gstreamer object on mine, but that was Preview.02:19
Burgundaviagstreamer is a very nice framework, but the plugins need some work02:20
FlonneOh, well... Gentoo server goes down; Ubuntu server goes up.02:21
Burgundaviajust a sec, going to reboot x02:22
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mdkeBurgundavia, solved my totem issue i reckon02:28
mdkethere is a mpeg4, ac3, divx plugin02:28
Burgundaviayou needed gstreamer plugn02:29
mdkethats what i mean02:29
mdkeyeah it's working now02:29
mdkeoh no02:30
mdkeits playing but it is slow as hell02:30
mdkekeeps freezing02:30
Burgundaviadma02:30
Burgundaviasudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc02:30
mdkethats not it02:30
Burgundaviaok02:30
mdkeplays fine in mplayer02:30
Burgundaviagstreamer used to that02:30
mdkeand its much slower than that02:30
Burgundaviabefore I reinstalled02:30
mdkehmm02:32
mdkelemme install more plugins02:33
mdkeok installing more plugins has improved it, but its still jerky and the sound is rubbish02:37
Burgundaviaany rss feeds you recommmend?02:39
mdkehmm02:40
mdkei use bbc world news and the ubuntu wiki new pages lol02:40
mdkeactually i wanted to ask about the docteam02:40
mdkeare we cracking on with some new guides now?02:41
Burgundaviamy major push for hoary is the faqguide02:41
Burgundavias/hoary/breezy02:41
mdkeheh02:41
mdkehas it been started?02:41
mdkewhat other docs are there?02:41
Burgundaviasort of02:41
Burgundaviaquickguide02:41
Burgundaviaand userguide02:41
mdkeuserguide sounds interesting02:42
mdkeis that "how to set up my email client" stuff?02:42
Burgundaviasort of02:44
Burgundaviauserguide and faqguide are going to have to define which is which02:44
Burgundaviathat is not clear yet02:44
mdkewhat else is on?02:45
Burgundaviaupdate quickguide02:46
Burgundaviaand the portal02:46
mdkeno systemguide or anything?02:46
Burgundaviaah yes02:46
Burgundaviaadmin guide02:46
mdkeok so lots02:47
mdkewhen are we starting?02:47
Burgundaviaright now02:47
mdkeok02:47
FlonneI've got the Installation draft ready to go (well, as soon as I confirm the steps on an oldworld Mac), so I just need to know where to put it...02:50
Burgundaviawiki for now02:51
mdkeBurgundavia, you know if its possible to get rid of this update manager chap in the panel?02:56
Burgundaviathe little red circle?02:56
mdkethat's the little devil02:56
Burgundaviaupdate your system02:58
Burgundaviait will go away02:58
mdkethats not the point!02:58
mdkeit will come back02:58
Burgundaviait is there for a reason02:59
Burgundaviayou can02:59
Burgundaviastop the daemon02:59
Burgundaviaand kill the cron.daily process02:59
mdkeit is there for a reason?02:59
Burgundaviayes02:59
mdkewhat happened to choice?02:59
Burgundaviato tell people to update there machines02:59
Burgundaviasorry, good default wins out02:59
mdkei'm happy with default02:59
mdkebut there is nothing wrong with "remove from panel"02:59
Burgundaviait is not in the panel03:00
Burgundaviait is in the notification area03:00
mdkeok yeah03:00
mdkewhich is in the panel03:00
Burgundaviayou can kill the notif area03:00
Burgundaviabut it is a bad idea03:00
FlonneBut if you remove that, you lose everything it holds.03:01
mdkeespecially because then xchat will close03:01
Burgundaviahuh?03:01
FlonneI don't think that will close X-Chat...03:01
Burgundaviamdke, it has been proven that users will not update unless forced to03:01
Burgundaviashiny red icons screaming at them do that03:01
mdkei don't dispute that03:01
mdkebut i don't want it03:01
Burgundaviaok03:01
Burgundavia1. kill the daemon03:02
Burgundavia2. kill the startup that starts the daemon03:02
mdkei don't think asking for that sort of choice is unreasonable03:02
Burgundaviamdke, as an IT professional,  this is something that you SHOULD NOT be able to turn off03:02
Burgundaviaend of story03:02
Burgundaviasorry03:02
mdkerubbish03:02
mdkei update my other systems03:03
mdkeand they don't have it03:03
mdkei agree its a good idea to have it03:03
Burgundaviayes, but we talking the great unwashed03:03
Burgundaviaand if you offer the option, people will turn it off03:03
mdkeok03:03
Burgundaviaand that is a very very very bad thing03:03
mdke1. I don't dispute its a good default03:03
mdke2. unwashed people should be washed03:03
Burgundaviamdke, it can be turned off03:03
Burgundaviait has 2 parts03:04
mdkeinstead of deodorised03:04
Burgundaviaa daemon that checks for updates03:04
Burgundaviaand the part that puts the icon there03:04
Burgundaviakill the daemon, and you are set03:04
mdkedo you know how i can do that?03:05
Burgundavialet me check03:05
mdkeperhaps removing it from my session and saving will be sufficient03:06
Burgundaviamight do03:07
mdkeyes that seems to have done the trick i think03:08
Burgundaviathe notification icon will put up with any update03:08
Burgundaviathus if you reload in syn and it has updates, it will do it then to03:08
mdkeyeah03:09
mdkewell i guess the user who wants to remove it can always uninstall it :/03:10
Burgundaviathat too03:11
Burgundaviabut I insist, there should be no reason to remove it03:11
BurgundaviaI keep my machines up to date too03:11
Burgundaviabut I still keep the icon03:11
mdkeanother daemon03:11
Burgundaviaif you have a slow macine, then it might be an issue03:12
mdkeok03:12
mdkeok i'm off to bed03:13
mdkegood night03:13
Burgundaviacya03:15
FlonneBurgundavia, do you have any idea how to physically move a partition?03:20
Burgundaviamove?03:20
Burgundaviagparted will grow and shrink parts03:21
FlonneYeah. Move every block from one location to another.03:21
Burgundaviahmm03:21
FlonneI know, but it only works on the tail.03:21
Burgundaviait must be possible03:21
FlonneAt least the version I have...03:21
FlonneI need to move the head down by about four gigs.03:21
FlonneI could just create a new partition at the end, move all existing data into that, remove the first partition, create a new one four gigs up, move all the data back, restroy the temp partition, then grow the one that's left, but that seems horribly slow and it would be a total hackjob.03:23
Flonnedestroy*03:23
BurgundaviaI was thinking that might be the only way to do ti03:25
FlonneAh... It looks like parted can do what I want, but its interface is quite cryptic.03:41
Flonne(gparted seems to lack this... Maybe it's unsafe)03:41
FlonneBleh. I get a "Can't move a partition onto itself error."03:45
Burgundaviatry gparted or qtparted03:49
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FlonneToo late; it b0rked. :)05:01
Burgundaviahmm?05:06
FlonneA reiserfsck recovered everything importantish, but the move failed.05:11
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Burgundaviahttp://www.ebaumsworld.com/badgers.html06:43
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froudAfrican Greetings10:00
froudpuke my DSL router gave in on me last night.10:00
Burgundaviagreat10:02
Burgundaviahmm10:06
BurgundaviaI am working on this ubuntu brochure10:06
Burgundaviashould i committ to the generic folder in the branch?10:06
froudcool what ubuntu brochue?10:07
froudis it about GNOME or/and KDE10:07
froudIf about both it goes in Generic10:07
Burgundaviahmm10:07
Burgundaviajust mentions Ubuntu right now10:08
froudif about GNOME put in gnome10:08
froudgnome10:08
froudcheck it in under gnome10:08
Burgundaviaok10:09
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sivanghowdy all11:46
froudhello sivang 11:46
Burgundaviasalut11:46
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sivangsalutte Burgundavia , ahalan froud11:49
froudmienyanim11:49
froudkohev li ha rosh11:50
sivangfroud: lama ma kara? hakol beseder ahi ?11:51
froud   '      11:55
BurgundaviaI see unicode11:55
froudits in hebrew11:55
BurgundaviaI figured as much11:56
Burgundaviathere is a really crazy of teaching hebrew in Ubuntu11:56
sivangfroud: ooops, my unicode is broken at the moment 11:56
froudso you dont see the hebrew characters11:56
sivangBurgundavia: there is? who else is on the craze?11:56
sivangfroud: let's stick to fonetic if you wish11:56
sivang:-)11:56
froudwhat craze?11:56
Burgundaviasivang, Kinnison 11:57
froudNo I speak it11:57
Burgundaviathey dance when I highlight them11:57
froudI just never type in hebrew characaters11:57
sivangBurgundavia: eh, the poor guy I owe him some docs with some instrucitnons...11:57
sivangBurgundavia: froud knows hebrew probably better then me :-)11:57
BurgundaviaI must say, the hebrew is almost unreadable11:57
Burgundaviavery very small and light11:58
froudBurgundavia: speaks hebrew11:58
froudoh my bad11:58
froudnow I get it11:58
froudno way sivang my hebrew is bad11:59
sivangKinnison: ping11:59
froudsivang: do you see the hebrew characters?11:59
sivangfroud: no, unicode is broken from whre I am currently11:59
froudoh well11:59
sivangfroud: have you been contacted by someone from the .IL LocoTeam, I forwarded him the files yous sent me, he seemed keento help tranlate them12:00
froudbut my keyboard does not have hebrew keys so it is hard to remember where stuff is :-)12:00
froudsivang: cool12:00
froudI go back to hacking now, c ya12:01
sivangfroud: laters12:01
froud521 or 571 MB of Kubuntu iso downloaded :-)12:02
froudI am gonna spread Kubuntu far and wide :-)12:02
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jsgotangcogood evening everyone :)12:24
Burgundaviago morning12:25
Burgundavias/go/good12:25
jsgotangcoBurgey12:25
jsgotangcoif i remember before you were making a presentation for ubuntu12:25
jsgotangcofor a local lug?12:25
Burgundaviahmm12:25
Burgundaviabigger than that12:25
BurgundaviaLinux fest north west12:26
jsgotangcoi got invited to speak to a conference12:26
jsgotangcofor Ubuntu12:26
Burgundaviacool12:26
jsgotangcobut i have no idea what to present12:26
Burgundaviajoin the club12:26
jsgotangcowhat were you planning?12:26
jsgotangcoanyway the conference is still in October12:26
Burgundaviamy talk is called Ubuntu:Not just a funny name anymore12:26
Burgundaviabasically a look at Ubuntu, then and now12:26
Burgundaviathe audience is mostly geeks12:26
jsgotangcohmmm12:27
Burgundaviawho probably know a lot more than me12:27
jsgotangcocan i take a peek at your notes?12:27
Burgundaviahmm12:27
Burgundavia21 days12:27
jsgotangcoits ok12:27
jsgotangcono rush12:27
jsgotangcomines october anyway12:27
BurgundaviaI figure I will start writing about the 25th of Apr12:27
Burgundaviathere are some good talks already on the wiki12:27
jsgotangcobut since its october i was thinking of breezy12:28
jsgotangcoso i still have a 6 month headstart12:28
Burgundaviahmm12:28
Burgundaviagood plan12:28
Burgundaviawhen is your talk?12:28
jsgotangcoNo definite date yet but the organizer said late Sept/early Oct.12:28
Burgundaviajust before Breezy launches12:28
Burgundaviagood timing12:28
jsgotangcoyeah thats what i had in mind12:29
jsgotangcothe organizer asked if they could invite someone from canonical say mako, but i asked them if they are willing to shoulder costs on bringing him over12:30
Burgundaviamako is in NYC12:30
Burgundaviabetter to grab jdub12:30
jsgotangcogood idea12:30
Burgundaviabecause dist aust-->phil is < nyc-->phil12:31
jsgotangcowell i heard mako went to shanghai a few months ago for AsiaOSC12:31
Burgundaviamako is canonicals community rep12:32
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Burgundaviathat is odd12:35
Burgundaviaxchat just died12:36
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jsgotangcoagghhh wiki work01:23
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jsgotangcohi enrico01:59
Burgundaviasalut enrico 02:00
enricoHi all!02:01
jsgotangcook i go to dinner first02:03
jsgotangcobbl02:03
enricowhoops!  The release notes mention the FAQ Guide :)02:16
jsgotangcoand our FAQ in the site is empty :(02:18
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mdkehi all02:30
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mdkeafternoon froud 02:31
froud'ello02:31
jsgotangcohi guys02:33
maskiehi froud02:33
jsgotangcoi was reading thru the logs02:33
froudello maskie02:33
jsgotangcodoes development for breezy also branch then later merged to their trunk?02:34
froudhow's cape town today02:34
maskiehot and windy02:34
froudwarm up here, no wind02:34
jsgotangcoi watched a silly movie with my daughter today02:35
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maskiethe wind is not that bad today02:35
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claudesnow in Switzerland :-P02:36
mdkenice02:36
jsgotangcoi wish we had snow here in asia02:36
Burgundaviasnow is evil02:36
mdkewhereabouts in switzerland are you claude ?02:36
mdkeBurgundavia, snow = skiing :)02:36
Burgundaviathat is fine02:36
Burgundaviasnow belongs on ski hills02:36
Burgundavianot on driveways02:36
jsgotangcopoo in snow is bad02:36
mdkegood point02:37
xhosaoook Kubuntu rocks02:37
Burgundaviaxhosa, you are still froud02:37
jsgotangcoi was thinking of a good motto for us to think about when doing stuff02:37
Burgundaviastop astroturfing02:37
xhosayep02:37
claudemdke: Chaux-de-Fonds (Neuchatel)02:37
jsgotangcoI can only think of one02:37
jsgotangcoPUU - People Use Ubuntu02:37
jsgotangcobut i want something much better02:37
mdkejsgotangco, just put on eye of the tiger or something02:38
BurgundaviaUPYOURS02:38
jsgotangcoin spongebob its POOP - People Order Our Patty02:38
BurgundaviaUbuntu People Yes Our Ubuntu Rocks02:38
mdkeS02:38
jsgotangcoUP YOURS02:39
jsgotangco?02:39
BurgundaviaUPYOURS - Ubuntu People Yes Our Ubuntu Rocks02:39
mdkeso what's going on?02:40
jsgotangcobut i was thinking of having the end user in mind to remind us02:40
mdkeit looks like we're having some kind of meeting ;)02:40
xhosaHmm, I am considering ditching my SuSE for Kubuntu02:41
jsgotangcohow is kubuntu? i gotta try that next week02:41
xhosajsgotangco: very smooth02:42
froudjsgotangco: definately worth downloading the iso02:43
claudefroukde :)02:43
jsgotangcoI WILL :D02:43
mdkeit cohabits happily with gnome right?02:43
jsgotangcojridell did a good job i heard02:44
jsgotangcoi like the 3 dragons02:44
jsgotangcothey should keep that02:44
froudyes02:44
mdkeyes it cohabits with gnome?02:45
froudbut once you use it you will unistall your gnome02:45
froud:-)02:45
mdkeso how does it work, I keep using gdm?02:45
jsgotangcoi think kdm has much better handling for other de02:45
jsgotangcocompared to gdm02:45
froudagreed02:46
froudhttp://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php02:46
jsgotangcothe the wireless monitor in kde works even with ndiswrapper..it doesnt work with our gnome02:47
mdkeok that's a good document02:48
mdkebut no way vis-a-verse is a real word :p02:48
mdkeok i'll try installing it on my laptop02:48
jsgotangcowhoa froud you did this by yourself?02:49
mdkeis it going to be hard to remove it afterwards?02:49
jsgotangcoi dont think so02:49
jsgotangcoyour gnome settings still are there (mostly)02:50
mdkehuh? mostly?02:51
jsgotangcowell thats what i experienced in mdk b402:51
mdkewhat did you lose?02:51
jsgotangconot much of an impact but i dont remember specifically but with apt it wont be much of a problem i guess02:53
jsgotangcowhat does KGX mean?02:53
mdkeapt is not great at removing things02:53
jsgotangcooohh charles got married *grin*02:56
mdkeyeah02:56
jsgotangcoim not that familiar with euro monarchs but camilia looks like that guy from rolling stones02:57
mdkehow dare you insult my country03:04
mdkemick jagger is a lot better looking than her03:04
claudelol03:05
jsgotangcohahah03:05
jsgotangcodoes she become queen when charles becomes king?03:06
mdkei've stopped listening to that part of the news03:07
mdkebut i think so03:07
jsgotangcotheir marriage got in between the pope and rainier's death03:07
davenno, she gets a funny title03:14
daven"Princess Consort"03:15
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davenwhich means she'll never become queen03:20
jsgotangcogood thing theyll never have kids03:21
daveni think they're too old03:23
davengosh - i *hope* they're too old03:23
jsgotangcojeezz i know im going to be old like them but thinking about what theyre going to do later gives me goosebumps03:26
froudnrings new meaning to the phrase "long live the queen"03:29
jsgotangcoahhh children are gods gift indeed04:02
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froudgetting close to commiting new make system in branch04:03
froudmust do testing tonight04:03
froudthen commit04:03
froudhope I dont delete all the files on your hard disks04:03
jsgotangcook ive been reading thru that link you gave me and learning a lot04:04
froudwhich svn book04:04
froudit is a must read04:04
=== froud welcome back enrico
froudwe missed you buddy04:13
enricohi!04:16
jsgotangcoits been a while04:23
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jsgotangcogoodnite everyone04:45
froudgood night04:45
froudenrico: do you want the english document to be in C?05:22
froudenrico: or is the root of the working folder?05:22
enricofroud: no idea05:23
froudenrico: each i18n document will have its own dir05:23
froudwhat is easier for packaging?05:23
enricophilosophically, I'd like every language to have its own directory05:23
froudok we are using the ISO naming convention fr, ca, de etc you want english doc in en05:24
enricofor packaging, I'm doing so many rearranging at deb-build time that I tend to believe anything is fine :)05:24
froudyeah I want to reduce the rearranging05:24
froudcut down on over head05:24
enricoIt mainly depends how it'll need to be installed in the resulting system05:25
enricothe bigger problems were the links to ../lib and so on (and I needed to do lots of symlinks)05:25
enricoI don't know if we can foresee what destination will be for Breezy05:25
enrico(although we could assume that it's the same as now05:26
enrico)05:26
froudI have many libs now05:26
enricoin which case, we have problems anyway in sharing images05:26
froudone for common, one for gnome, one for kde, one for generic05:27
froudmenu system is lang specific and auto built05:27
enricoawesome05:27
froudOk I will leave the en doc in the root of the working folder05:28
froudthat way it is easier to find for authors05:28
froudand denotes that it is the driver for all else05:28
froudbtw, OMF files are also created dynamic on first instance05:29
froudI think we should keep OMF files with their documents05:29
froudlast time we forgot to translate them05:29
froudwe had to rush it at the last second05:30
enricoin that case, call it C05:30
enricoyes, exactly.  OMF files should not be separate05:30
froudOK C it will be05:31
froudif I make the dir it saves you having to make it, right?05:32
enricofroud: say it again?05:33
enricoah, ok05:34
froudif we develop the english document is C it saves you having to make it05:34
enricoy..yess05:34
froudIn build I will create gnome/docuname/C/05:34
froudgnome/docuname/fr/05:35
froudgnome/docuname/de/05:35
froudetc05:35
enricoyes05:35
froudok cool, so glad you are back :-)05:35
enricoLimited time, though05:35
froudhuh why?05:35
enriconow I'm in a bit of information overload.05:35
enricoalso05:35
enricofull time job getting more and more full time05:36
froudouch I think I better learn the deb packaging stuff, sooner than later. Must find time though05:36
froudfirst get the new restructure over05:36
enricofroud: you do already a lot with the docbook stuff :)05:36
froudpractically making everything automatic05:37
froudonly one problem05:37
froudcant make a single document05:37
froudhave to build all gnome05:37
froudor kde05:37
froudor generic05:37
froud:-(05:37
froudmust find method05:38
enricohow come?05:38
froudeach do now will have a file called modvars.make05:39
froudlooks like this05:39
froudBUILD_FILE=/index.html05:39
froudHTML_XSL=../libs/about-ubuntu-html-cust.xsl05:39
froudFIG_DIR=../images05:39
froudDOC_NAME=about-ubuntu05:39
froudLANG=C05:39
froudOMF_FILE=$DOC_NAME-$LANG.omf05:39
froudSUBJECT="General|Linux|Distributions|Other"05:39
froudIDENTIFIER=file:///usr/share/gnome/help/$DOC_NAME/$LANG/$DOC_NAME.xml05:39
froudSERIES_ID=7fb11226-8a1d-11d9-9fcf-ff970c25973605:39
froudit gets sourced from the top make05:39
froudthe code that does the work is generic05:39
froudso it can be applied to generic, kde and gnome05:40
froudI just need to find a way of passing a single module to the code05:40
enricoI can't look at it now (brain exploding), but a general suggestion: don't overdesign05:41
mdkelol05:41
froudsure, can be a problem05:41
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froudwhat you loling at mdke 05:42
mdkepoor enrico05:42
froudyou can lol when you come to kde05:42
mdkei'm just logging in now05:42
mdkelaughing out loud at the time its taking to login05:42
mdkeomg05:42
mdkeand also lol @ login sound05:42
froudcool 05:42
enricofroud: also look at http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?YouArentGonnaNeedIt05:42
froudeverything I now impliment is from the experience with hoary05:43
enricofroud: that's always a good read :)05:44
froudwe had to mant things to touch in the make and packaging for my liking05:44
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enricobut that's not an opinion on what you're doing: I trust what you do05:44
froudsure05:44
froudthere are howver things poping in between my ears, but we have not needed them, yet05:44
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froudmdke run KControl dude05:45
froudand see the power05:45
mkdelol05:45
mkdei'm familiar with kde05:45
enricofroud: :)  yes, when something's not needed, it's useful to postpone it05:45
enricoor to not thing about it05:45
enricobecause when it'll be needed, it'll be needed in a different way you are thinking of coding it today :)05:46
froudenrico: you know me I am lazy as hell05:46
froudscript everything, that's the way to get out of work and go to the beach05:46
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enricothen at the beach you get a mobile phone ring saying that the script broke :)05:46
mdkeargh05:47
mdkekde has inserted a wastebin on my gnome desktop05:47
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enrico(that's why you never should go to the beach with the mobile phone.  Bullshit that it's because of the sand :)05:47
froudlol05:47
froudgnome should have a wastebin on the desktop. Its a design flaw of gnome, not KDE05:48
mdke*cough*05:48
froudhey I got scripts to write05:48
mdkeits a bug in ubuntu05:48
froudyes, not Kubuntu05:49
froudc ya05:49
mdkefroud, i do not distinguish05:49
froudback to scripts05:49
mdkek05:49
froudenrico: can I call a make target from within a make target05:50
froud1:05:51
froud.....05:51
froudmake 2:05:51
enricosure05:51
froudOK05:51
enrico$(MAKE) 2 is better, I think05:51
froudenrico: like this05:56
froudall: gnome kde generic05:56
froudgnome:05:56
froud05:56
froudDIR = `ls -d gnome/`05:56
froudSUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/`05:56
froudBUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR)05:56
froudmake build05:56
froudkde:05:56
froudDIR = `ls -d kde/`05:56
froudSUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/`05:56
froudBUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR)05:57
froudmake build05:57
froudgeneric:05:57
froudDIR = `ls -d generic/`05:57
froudSUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/`05:57
froudBUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR)05:57
froudmake build05:57
froudbuild:05:57
enricoI think it should work05:58
froudOK where build is the same object code for each make target05:59
froudand build loads modvars.make from each document in for loop05:59
mdkedoes anyone here know how to call ssh commands with a particular key? I haven't had an answer in #ubuntu so am trying here in desperation06:04
enricofroud: actually, you should do it differently06:06
enricoyou rename modvars.make in Makefile06:07
froudok06:07
enricothen include a makefile snipped with the common stuff06:07
enricothen make the makefile in the upper dir invoke the makefiles in the lower sones06:07
froudbut then I have multiple make files06:08
enricothen if you want to only build or validate something, you cd into something ad do "make"06:08
enricosure06:08
froudeach needing attention06:08
enricoevery project has a makefile per directory06:08
enriconot much attention, because they all define a bunch of vars (like your modvars.make do) then include THE makefile stuff06:08
enricofrom one single point06:08
froudbut for example about ubuntu uses a different XSL06:09
enricothen you define the XSL name in the Makefile of about-ubuntu06:09
enricoall the others use a default XSL file06:09
froudHmmm, ok must think about it. I can always split what I am doing now to work that way06:10
enricomake does all the things of fixing paths to point to .., ../.. or whatever depending on the level of nesting (IIRC)06:10
froudOk what I will do is hack this way and then commit. that way more eyes can see it.06:11
froudfoood, grub, nosh time06:11
froudback in a few minutes06:12
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scorpixhi07:25
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froudscorpix: hello07:28
scorpixwhat program is good for translating the ubuntuguide.org?07:29
froudwe have ubuntuguide.org in svn and use pot/po via Rosetta07:30
froudThere is not easy way to do it via the web site07:30
froudif you like you can hack the src and update it to hoary07:30
froudthe doc is currently at warty07:30
scorpixis there a guide or a howto on using rosseta with svn?07:30
scorpixcuz i usually use kbabel07:31
froudnot exactly, we have docbook xml src of that doc in svn and make a POT file when it need translation07:31
scorpixwhere can i get rosetta?07:32
froudscorpix: Rosetta is a web app07:37
froudyou get  the pot from there07:37
froudbut if you have svn src you can also just create a pot and do the po you want07:38
froudusing KBabel07:38
froudbut be warned that that doc is currently updated to warty so is out of date07:38
frouddo you want to translate the hoaryy version?07:39
froudor the current version07:39
scorpixback07:54
scorpixyes i want to translate the hoary version07:54
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froudscorpix: the hoary version does not exist08:38
froudwe need to port the warty version to hoary08:39
froudscorpix: if you feel like doing that then the src is in svn see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam as your starting point08:39
=== froud if now off to bed. c ya
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mdkewoa09:03
mdkeearly to bed ;)09:03
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