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crimsunooh12:01
crimsunbreezy-backports? lemme get that url!12:01
tsengogra: are you joking?12:01
ograsure12:02
ograits release day....dont take me serious12:02
tsengok12:02
crimsun=)12:02
ogra:)12:02
tsengmy hand is shaking12:02
tsengodd.12:02
ogratime to set up your own buildd then ;)12:03
truluxWOOOHAAAA12:08
truluxwaka waka12:08
truluxtseng: hand shaking? I hope there's no comb. with porn12:08
tsengno12:08
truluxtseng: good12:09
truluxtseng: tomorrow I will have finished the first gcc-3.4-hardened package12:09
tsengok12:09
truluxtseng: how're you doing, btw12:10
tsengcan someone tell me for sure what gcc we are using for breezy12:10
tsengfine trulux, a little busy12:10
truluxyeah, the gcc version for breezy is something I really need to know, I won't have a lot of tie for finishing the SSP GCC-4.0 port12:11
truluxs/tie/time ;P12:11
tsengdoko: can you speak to what gcc version will be default in breezy?12:11
dokothere's a rumor that we'll target for 4.0 ...12:13
tsengwild.12:13
truluxhah12:13
Mithrandirdoko: that's crazy, I say.12:13
tsengsounds it12:13
truluxdoko: I will need to work with someone experienced in gcc-3.4 to 4.0 transition, in development terms12:14
truluxret_into_stack functions are no more available on 4.012:14
truluxwhich fucks my bloody ass and makes me pretty disappointed with some code porting12:14
dokoMithrandir: why?12:14
tsengyou said "fucks my bloody ass"12:14
truluxweird thing, any thoughts on a Glibc upgrade? (*shrug*)12:15
tsengthats brilliant.12:15
truluxtseng: that's weird too12:15
truluxtseng: damn it12:15
tsengid blog it if it werent on planet12:15
Mithrandirdoko: look at the gcc-3.4 archive in debian-amd64?12:15
truluxtseng: I hope you don't12:15
jbaileytrulux: What do you need re: a glibc upgrade?12:15
truluxtseng: btw, I need to talk to jdub to get in the planet12:15
truluxjbailey: just asking12:16
tsengyou need to be a member12:16
truluxtseng: I'm applying12:16
tsengok.12:16
jbaileytrulux: I'm not sure what you're asking though. =)12:16
dokoMithrandir: where's the gcc-4.0 archive as a comparision?12:16
Mithrandirdoko: the gcc-3.4 archive is gcc-4.0 now. :P12:16
truluxjbailey: glibc 2.3.412:16
truluxMithrandir: :)12:16
jbaileytrulux: 2.3.5 was release yesterday morning, it's what I'm testing with now.12:16
jbaileyreleased, even.12:16
truluxjbailey: sounds good, how's it going?12:17
dokoMithrandir: so why is 3.4 better?12:17
Mithrandirdoko: I'm not sure it's better.12:17
MithrandirI'm just saying we'll have a lot of failures12:17
jbaileytrulux: No testsuite failures on my test ppc system.12:17
Mithrandirand we want to switch until Debian does.12:17
MithrandirI think12:17
dokoI can't deny that12:17
jbaileyMithrandir: If we stay with 3.4 we'll have multiple compilers to support, which might be more of a pain.12:18
jbaileyAll the changes that need to happen for 4.0 need to happen anyway.12:18
dokoMithrandir: Debian will switch when unstable becomes independent from sarge. It's just a question _when_ we'll have to bite the apple ....12:19
Mithrandirdoko: I know..12:19
Mithrandirdoko: it just makes me want to stab myself with a spoon.12:19
Mithrandir-12:19
doko:)12:19
dokojbailey: we might have to support 3.4 for g7712:22
truluxjbailey: good, any intenttion to give it a try for packaging?12:22
jbaileydoko: Yeah, I guess. =(  Does it have to be in main?12:23
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jbaileytrulux: If you have a ppc system, I could hand you .debs right now.12:24
jbaileyNote that I haven't got all the language pack stuff in, so it will break things that you expect to work.12:24
ajmitch208 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.12:24
ajmitchNeed to get 349MB of archives.12:24
ajmitchshows that I got a bit behind ;)12:25
dokojbailey: yes, python-numeric-ext build-depends on it ;)12:26
jbaileydoko: Bah, and this is the wrong crowd to shout "Fie Python!" in, isn't it? ;)12:26
dokojbailey: there's no java replacement ;-P12:27
ajmitchjbailey: but you love python12:28
jbaileyajmitch: The sad part is that I do like python.  I just wish that distutils would go away.12:31
truluxjbailey: no ppc here12:36
truluxjbailey: only i38612:37
jbaileytrulux: I'm doing my development on ppc and ia64 at the moment.  I'll do i386 a bit later, since it's my slowest machine.12:37
truluxjbailey: oh, ok, that could rock12:40
jbaileytrulux: Is ther esomething you're looking for in particular?12:41
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tritiumtrulux, are you still struggling with gnuplot?02:26
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tritiumtrulux, I'll look for you after dinner...02:30
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crimsunhmm.07:15
crimsunI should work on packaging e1707:15
schweebshadoi already makes packages... you should probably look at them and see if they're acceptable07:21
crimsunwere they listed on apt-get.org? If so, they'll be pulled in for Breezy.07:21
schweebno07:22
schweebhttp://shadoi.soulmachine.net/2004/11/enlightenment-for-needy.html07:23
crimsunok, thanks.07:23
crimsunI'll contact and see about cleaning them up.07:23
schweebhe does occasional builds from CVS... dunno how often exactly07:24
whiprushdid dholbach stop by today? or is he dead from packaging?07:26
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dholbachmorning09:50
ajmitchhi dholbach09:53
ajmitchhow does it feel to wake up & not have lists of packages to work on? ;)09:53
dholbachboring, very boring indeed :-)09:54
dholbachi think i'm doing some hacking on my thesis now :-)09:54
ajmitchheh09:54
ajmitchif only I could put off my work until after releases :)09:55
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dholbachajmitch: i hope it opens up soon, i have like 30 packages lying around which just need uploading10:44
ajmitchwhat, only 30? ;)10:47
dholbachwas only kidding ;-)10:47
dholbachdid you see jordi's blog entry about seb210?10:48
dholbachhttp://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/seb210-2005-04-08-20-3010:48
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Treenaksthat one's great11:07
Burgundaviadholbach, I have another source for you11:12
Burgundaviamost of the stuff we already have, but there are a few new things11:12
dholbachBurgundavia: would you mail it to me, so i could back there as soon as breezy opens?11:14
Burgundaviadholbach, hey, np11:14
dholbachROCK :-)11:15
Burgundaviadholbach, I will do the checking for what we have and don't have11:15
Burgundaviaso you know exactly what to pull11:15
dholbachBurgundavia: i'd rather mail the maintainer11:15
Burgundaviathis is from another debian deriv11:15
Burgundaviamost of the stuff is debian sid11:15
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hsprangg'morning!11:20
dholbachhey hsprang11:20
hsprangdholbach, just saw you planned a "release barbecue", but as you where here yesterday, this didn't happen, i guess?11:25
dholbachnot really11:25
dholbachmvo and i are going to have a beer today :-)11:26
dholbachwe REALLY need to improve the loco-team structure :-)11:26
hsprangat least there are some more people next to you - here in the north i could have a beer with me and myself :) hm, or go to london...11:29
hsprangbbl, breakfast...11:29
dholbachhsprang: herzi should live near you (somewhere in hamburg at least)11:43
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dholbachsee you later11:50
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hsprangre12:36
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hervehi!12:40
HostingGeekhi12:51
HostingGeekHow dear you not say hi to super herve!12:51
HostingGeekHow do you think you are?12:52
truluxwoka12:52
HostingGeek*Who12:54
HostingGeekTreenaks: woka != the king!12:54
HostingGeek* trulux12:54
HostingGeekto many people in this channel12:54
Lathiatyeh get out, your crowding us12:55
herveHostingGeek, you make too much noise12:55
HostingGeekno for tab completions12:55
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Noiseherve: better?12:55
herveworst12:56
Noise:(12:56
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truluxoh no, he's back!12:56
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tsengjeez im the #3 hit on google for dpatch01:47
Lathiathaha01:50
HostingGeekhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view is showing the nice human colors02:00
HostingGeeknot the ones in the final which look UGLAY!!!!!02:00
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HostingGeekubuntu is starting to suck now... i loved brown! i hate redish-brown!02:04
HostingGeeklike the redish theme made me rethhink ubuntu...02:04
HostingGeekubuntu now only rocks because of the motu team02:05
BurgundaviaHostingGeek, please keep your talk to universe/multiverse mattesr02:05
HostingGeekBurgundavia: ok02:06
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herzihsprang: which part of hamburg are you from?02:47
herzidholbach: take a look at our ident strings and you'll see the we're both from hamburg02:47
herzis/the/that/02:48
dholbachherzi: i knew before :-)02:48
hsprangherzi, he already knew that and told me when i was worried about having my releas party only with me and myself :)02:48
hervedholbach, hi Daniel!02:52
dholbachhey herve02:52
dholbachhow are you?02:53
hervequite fine02:53
herveslept enough :)02:53
dholbach:-)02:53
hervewhat about you?02:54
herveyou party for the hoary release?02:54
dholbachi'm fine... thanks - went back to a normal sleep cycle :-)02:54
dholbachherve: i'm going to have a beer with mvo tonight02:54
ogradholbach, how silly, you should train yourself on .au cycle :)02:54
dholbachnothing exciting, we need to improve the LoCo teams :-)02:54
herveand work on your thesis next week? :-p02:54
dholbachogra: haha... nothing to train - i think i'm quite good at surviving without sleep :-)02:55
ograheh02:55
dholbachherve: yeah... i'll do some hacking on it02:55
dholbachherve: already had a bunch of ideas02:55
hervedon't forget them ;-)02:55
herzidholbach: about loco-coordination: http://blaubeermuffin.de/deutschlandkarte/02:56
dholbachherve: we absolutely need that02:56
dholbachherve: oops02:56
dholbachherzi: we absolutely need that02:56
herzi:D02:56
AstralJavaHi folks.02:57
dholbachherzi: you should talk to jdub and smurfix02:57
herzihttp://blaubeermuffin.de/stuff/deutschlandkarte.tar.bz202:57
hsprangherzi, dholbach i like the idea with that map, too!03:00
hspranghy AstralJava03:00
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dholbachhsprang: #ubuntu-devel :-)03:13
dholbach<jdub> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide03:13
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Treenaksget a fix!03:14
Lathiatwalk outside :)03:18
TreenaksLathiat: the antenna is already outside.. it worked already03:19
Lathiatah ok :)03:19
Lathiatwalk outside anyway03:20
Lathiatjust for fun03:20
Lathiat:)03:20
TreenaksLathiat: but it's cold.. and windy03:20
Lathiatheh03:20
herziTreenaks: that's a excuse, not a reason03:20
herzi+n03:21
Treenaksherzi: still.. I have a fix now.. so there's no need03:21
AstralJavaWhy go out in the cold when you can be in with Ubuntu?03:21
AstralJavaDoesn't make any sense.03:22
TreenaksAstralJava: especially the "march" calendar :P03:22
Lathiatah but you can be outside with the philosophy of ubuntu03:22
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LathiatTreenaks: *G*03:22
LathiatHUMANITY03:22
AstralJavaTreenaks: Yeah. :)03:22
Lathiatim waiting for april03:22
Lathiatdamnit03:22
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Lathiatsits for far too long trying to test the network repostory03:22
Lathiatyoud think that since i have no default gateway and no NS configured itd time out pretty quick03:23
ajmitch_one would hope so03:24
herzii LOVE sharpmusique03:25
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ajmitch_http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=-45.8681&lon=170.5039&scale=5000&icon=x03:27
ajmitch_looks close enough for me :)03:27
ajmitch_morning bddebian03:27
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:27
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hervehey! an encolpe!03:46
encolpeHello people03:46
bddebianHello encolpe03:49
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dholbachbbl04:02
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jaldhardholbach: so I talked to mako yesterday.  Which docs do I need to read to learn about becoming a MOTU?06:37
dholbachhey jaldhar06:38
ograjaldhar, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU is a good start....there are several subpages06:38
dholbachwe don't have so much docs around yet06:38
dholbachlots of pioneer atmosphere :-)06:38
ogra(getting involved, recruitment etc)06:38
jaldharok I'll do that06:38
dholbachthe general approach is helping out, fixing packages, working together, becoming member (in the communitycouncil meeting), having a good gpg key, being approved as MOTU :-)06:39
dholbach(in short) :-)06:39
tsengdholbach: ping06:40
dholbachtseng: pong06:40
jaldharbtw, I noticed somewhere that Ubuntu like Debian won't distribute pine because of the license.  But UW distrubute their own .deb.  Couldn't that be included?06:40
schweebping response time: 100ms06:40
tsengdholbach: can you come to debian-mono and test for amd64 maybe?06:41
ogradholbach,  you forgot "fixing even more packages" before "having a good gpg key"06:41
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dholbachtseng: i think i'll leave soon -> beer with mvo, but will join06:41
dholbachtseng: just a sec06:41
dholbachogra: right06:41
jaldharwell as a DD I have excellent GPG credentials06:41
tsengogra: how about you?06:41
dholbachjaldhar: i tried a version, which didnt compile06:41
tsengogra: wanna test mono on amd64?06:41
ogratseng, sure....where is the repo ?06:41
tseng#debian-mono06:41
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ograbah...pointing synaptic to IRC works ?06:42
tsengyep06:42
jaldhardholbach: it is a little tricky but not impossible on arge atleast.  I maintain an unofficial package.06:42
tsengbrand new transport backend06:42
tseng(he hasnt posted a link yet)06:42
ograhehe06:42
dholbachjaldhar: if the license isnt TOO anal, we could have it in multiverse06:42
dholbachi can't remember what the problem exactly was06:43
dholbachbut i tried to compile it 5 years ago on potato and it didnt work either ;-)06:43
ogradholbach, its a similar license to javas... wont work for multiverse i guess06:44
dholbachah ok06:44
dholbachwell... i'm no expert06:44
ogra(it forbids to distribute similar progs)06:44
jaldhardholbach: the problem is the license is badly worded.  They don't actually mind if people modify and redistribute but we have to go by what they have actually written.06:44
dholbachjaldhar: it should be re-worded then :-)06:45
dholbachogra:  you will have to teach me how to do all that flashy gimp stuff one day06:45
ograyeah, convince upstream06:45
jaldharogra: all they wanted was that people put an L to denote it is not an official UW version but it didn't turn out that way.06:45
ogradholbach, a personal BOF in .au ?06:46
dholbachogra: if we will have the time...06:46
dholbachogra: or a --dry-run on the plane :-)06:46
jaldhardholbach: I already had that conversation with UW years ago.  It's not going to happen :(06:46
ograhehe...dunno if i can that from the top of my head06:46
dholbachjaldhar: :-/06:46
dholbachogra: i just want a piece of text to look flashy, *grmbl*06:47
dholbachi didnt know OOo was stupid enough to ask me every 15 minutes for a "auto-save"... wow06:48
Lathiatahaha06:48
Lathiatdholbach: those may be for real saves06:49
ogradholbach, Xtns->script fu-> logos06:49
Lathiatdholbach: like it autosaves a backup, but remidns you every 15 minutes you might wan tot actualy save the file06:49
LathiatOO.o2 is pretty swanky06:49
Lathiatgonna try ipress to write my slides06:49
Lathiatgotta try getting my laptop to go with a projector too06:50
dholbachogra: all those stupid logos shrink the whole canvas *grmbl*06:52
ogradholbach, just put a layer in the background...06:53
dholbachah hm... well06:53
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zygahello07:17
zygawhat is the procedure to request an upgrade of package in universe?07:18
zygaI'm currently building lilipond 2.4.x because 2.2.x is not usable and 2.4.x is marked as stable07:18
dholbachzyga: does debian have it?07:19
zygadholbach: ubuntu has it07:19
ograzyga, you can ask here, add it to the MOTUToSync page on the wiki....but it wont be possible before breezy is open....07:19
zygadholbach: it seeems debian has it too, wait07:19
dholbachzyga: does debian have the new version?07:19
zygaogra: ah so universe is bound by the freeze too?07:19
ograzyga, sync means we can pull it from sid07:19
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ograzyga, sure07:19
zygadholbach: yes07:19
dholbachuniverse "released" as well07:19
zygahttp://lilypond.org/web/install/#2.407:20
zygaubuntu has 2.2.607:20
dholbachzyga: if debian has the new version, we can grab it from there (as long as somebody tested it on ubuntu before), else we'll have to package a new version07:20
zygadholbach: debian has a bit outdated version too, I think I'll wait for breezy and request it via wiki07:21
dholbachzyga: we can't sync what is not packaged07:21
dholbachzyga: so if YOU would provide us with a nice new source package, we could review and upload it :-)07:21
zygadholbach: I've never packaged anything before07:22
dholbachzyga: that's where we all started :-)07:22
zygadholbach: after I finish my work here (I need to make some pretty pdf's with notes) I could try and learn07:22
dholbachcool! :-)07:22
zygadholbach: notes have a deadline till tommorow :)07:22
zygaokay thanks for the insight :)07:22
dholbachanytime :-)07:23
zygaI had some warnings about autoconf 2.59 being not compatible with g++ 3.x07:25
dholbachi'm off - have a nice evening07:27
ograciao dholbach07:27
dholbachbye ogra07:27
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dHi!08:02
dAny chance of seeing the musepack decoder enter universe or multiverse anytime soon?08:03
dAlong with the beep media player and the xmms musepack plug-in?08:04
ograd, sure, but it will only be available in breezy08:05
ograwhich wont be usable for the next 6-8 weeks i guess08:05
daww! :( Whens the first release of Breezy? October?08:05
ograyop08:05
ograhoary is stable, so it will only see security updates08:05
dwhat? I'll have to compile something? ;)08:06
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ogranah, you have to help testing breezy ;)08:07
crimsund: I said I'll be maintaining those08:08
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crimsunyou're welcome to join me if you wish08:08
dno prob. Have I got to sign up, get a bugzilla account or something to report bugs in ubuntu? DVD playback is broke in multiverse Mplayer08:09
crimsunplease file bugs in malone (see topic)08:09
dwhats malone?08:10
ograd, our bugtracker08:10
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truluxanyone here knows well on povray?08:28
ograhmm, #povray or #blender probably if they exist08:33
truluxogra: yeah, #povray looks dead :(08:39
ogra:-/08:39
ograsorry, its about 6 years ago i touched it last...08:39
truluxI'm writing a paper for school, just writing a earth model08:41
truluxand got08:41
truluxParse Error: No matching } in 'texture', undeclared identifier 'of' found instead08:41
truluxbased on an old work08:41
truluxI needed to rewrite some things, halo is no more available on 3.508:41
truluxetc08:41
ograhmm08:42
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crimsunhmm.09:41
crimsunneed to check fluxbox 0.1.1409:41
crimsunerr, 0.9.1209:41
AstralJavaOh?09:42
crimsunyeah, I'll try to maintain those, too09:42
AstralJavaRight. :)09:42
AstralJavaDid you go somewhere last night, I mean any of those release parties?09:43
crimsunno, I graded exams and programming assignments09:45
crimsunactually I should ask ikaro if he wants to maintain them, since he's upstream, heh09:46
crimsunback later09:48
AstralJava'k.09:49
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tsengcrimsun: ikaro is upstream fluxbox?09:56
tsengafaik he just runs a themes site09:56
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tsengis breezy open yet???????????/10:44
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tsengi need a new libsqlite10:44
schweebrol10:45
ogratseng, as i said before.... after the backports are up ;)10:46
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schweebI imagine elmo took a bit of a vacation10:47
schweebso it could be a while :)10:47
ograschweeb, unlikely that elmo has one silent minute today...10:49
schweebheh10:50
ajmitchogra: I can't believe that you're saying the word! :)10:50
ograschweeb, the backbone for the archives was broken several times today10:50
ograajmitch, its allowed in jokes ;)10:50
schweebogra: ouch10:50
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Mithrandirtseng: it's "up", but you can't upload to it yet.10:58
tsengMithrandir: i was mostly joking10:58
tsengbut im ready to go :)10:58
Mithrandirnow I want sarge to release so I can release a new pkg-config I can upload to debian so I can sync it to Ubuntu.10:59
Mithrandir:P10:59
Mithrandir(Or I could just upload it to Ubuntu)10:59
schweebhah10:59
schweebSarge... release?10:59
schweebimpossible!10:59
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