[12:01] <crimsun> ooh
[12:01] <crimsun> breezy-backports? lemme get that url!
[12:01] <tseng> ogra: are you joking?
[12:02] <ogra> sure
[12:02] <ogra> its release day....dont take me serious
[12:02] <tseng> ok
[12:02] <crimsun> =)
[12:02] <ogra> :)
[12:02] <tseng> my hand is shaking
[12:02] <tseng> odd.
[12:03] <ogra> time to set up your own buildd then ;)
[12:08] <trulux> WOOOHAAAA
[12:08] <trulux> waka waka
[12:08] <trulux> tseng: hand shaking? I hope there's no comb. with porn
[12:08] <tseng> no
[12:09] <trulux> tseng: good
[12:09] <trulux> tseng: tomorrow I will have finished the first gcc-3.4-hardened package
[12:09] <tseng> ok
[12:10] <trulux> tseng: how're you doing, btw
[12:10] <tseng> can someone tell me for sure what gcc we are using for breezy
[12:10] <tseng> fine trulux, a little busy
[12:11] <trulux> yeah, the gcc version for breezy is something I really need to know, I won't have a lot of tie for finishing the SSP GCC-4.0 port
[12:11] <trulux> s/tie/time ;P
[12:11] <tseng> doko: can you speak to what gcc version will be default in breezy?
[12:13] <doko> there's a rumor that we'll target for 4.0 ...
[12:13] <tseng> wild.
[12:13] <trulux> hah
[12:13] <Mithrandir> doko: that's crazy, I say.
[12:13] <tseng> sounds it
[12:14] <trulux> doko: I will need to work with someone experienced in gcc-3.4 to 4.0 transition, in development terms
[12:14] <trulux> ret_into_stack functions are no more available on 4.0
[12:14] <trulux> which fucks my bloody ass and makes me pretty disappointed with some code porting
[12:14] <doko> Mithrandir: why?
[12:14] <tseng> you said "fucks my bloody ass"
[12:15] <trulux> weird thing, any thoughts on a Glibc upgrade? (*shrug*)
[12:15] <tseng> thats brilliant.
[12:15] <trulux> tseng: that's weird too
[12:15] <trulux> tseng: damn it
[12:15] <tseng> id blog it if it werent on planet
[12:15] <Mithrandir> doko: look at the gcc-3.4 archive in debian-amd64?
[12:15] <trulux> tseng: I hope you don't
[12:15] <jbailey> trulux: What do you need re: a glibc upgrade?
[12:15] <trulux> tseng: btw, I need to talk to jdub to get in the planet
[12:16] <trulux> jbailey: just asking
[12:16] <tseng> you need to be a member
[12:16] <trulux> tseng: I'm applying
[12:16] <tseng> ok.
[12:16] <jbailey> trulux: I'm not sure what you're asking though. =)
[12:16] <doko> Mithrandir: where's the gcc-4.0 archive as a comparision?
[12:16] <Mithrandir> doko: the gcc-3.4 archive is gcc-4.0 now. :P
[12:16] <trulux> jbailey: glibc 2.3.4
[12:16] <trulux> Mithrandir: :)
[12:16] <jbailey> trulux: 2.3.5 was release yesterday morning, it's what I'm testing with now.
[12:16] <jbailey> released, even.
[12:17] <trulux> jbailey: sounds good, how's it going?
[12:17] <doko> Mithrandir: so why is 3.4 better?
[12:17] <Mithrandir> doko: I'm not sure it's better.
[12:17] <Mithrandir> I'm just saying we'll have a lot of failures
[12:17] <jbailey> trulux: No testsuite failures on my test ppc system.
[12:17] <Mithrandir> and we want to switch until Debian does.
[12:17] <Mithrandir> I think
[12:17] <doko> I can't deny that
[12:18] <jbailey> Mithrandir: If we stay with 3.4 we'll have multiple compilers to support, which might be more of a pain.
[12:18] <jbailey> All the changes that need to happen for 4.0 need to happen anyway.
[12:19] <doko> Mithrandir: Debian will switch when unstable becomes independent from sarge. It's just a question _when_ we'll have to bite the apple ....
[12:19] <Mithrandir> doko: I know..
[12:19] <Mithrandir> doko: it just makes me want to stab myself with a spoon.
[12:19] <Mithrandir> -
[12:19] <doko> :)
[12:22] <doko> jbailey: we might have to support 3.4 for g77
[12:22] <trulux> jbailey: good, any intenttion to give it a try for packaging?
[12:23] <jbailey> doko: Yeah, I guess. =(  Does it have to be in main?
[12:24] <jbailey> trulux: If you have a ppc system, I could hand you .debs right now.
[12:24] <jbailey> Note that I haven't got all the language pack stuff in, so it will break things that you expect to work.
[12:24] <ajmitch> 208 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:24] <ajmitch> Need to get 349MB of archives.
[12:25] <ajmitch> shows that I got a bit behind ;)
[12:26] <doko> jbailey: yes, python-numeric-ext build-depends on it ;)
[12:26] <jbailey> doko: Bah, and this is the wrong crowd to shout "Fie Python!" in, isn't it? ;)
[12:27] <doko> jbailey: there's no java replacement ;-P
[12:28] <ajmitch> jbailey: but you love python
[12:31] <jbailey> ajmitch: The sad part is that I do like python.  I just wish that distutils would go away.
[12:36] <trulux> jbailey: no ppc here
[12:37] <trulux> jbailey: only i386
[12:37] <jbailey> trulux: I'm doing my development on ppc and ia64 at the moment.  I'll do i386 a bit later, since it's my slowest machine.
[12:40] <trulux> jbailey: oh, ok, that could rock
[12:41] <jbailey> trulux: Is ther esomething you're looking for in particular?
[02:26] <tritium> trulux, are you still struggling with gnuplot?
[02:30] <tritium> trulux, I'll look for you after dinner...
[07:15] <crimsun> hmm.
[07:15] <crimsun> I should work on packaging e17
[07:21] <schweeb> shadoi already makes packages... you should probably look at them and see if they're acceptable
[07:21] <crimsun> were they listed on apt-get.org? If so, they'll be pulled in for Breezy.
[07:22] <schweeb> no
[07:23] <schweeb> http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/2004/11/enlightenment-for-needy.html
[07:23] <crimsun> ok, thanks.
[07:23] <crimsun> I'll contact and see about cleaning them up.
[07:24] <schweeb> he does occasional builds from CVS... dunno how often exactly
[07:26] <whiprush> did dholbach stop by today? or is he dead from packaging?
[09:50] <dholbach> morning
[09:53] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:53] <ajmitch> how does it feel to wake up & not have lists of packages to work on? ;)
[09:54] <dholbach> boring, very boring indeed :-)
[09:54] <dholbach> i think i'm doing some hacking on my thesis now :-)
[09:54] <ajmitch> heh
[09:55] <ajmitch> if only I could put off my work until after releases :)
[10:44] <dholbach> ajmitch: i hope it opens up soon, i have like 30 packages lying around which just need uploading
[10:47] <ajmitch> what, only 30? ;)
[10:47] <dholbach> was only kidding ;-)
[10:48] <dholbach> did you see jordi's blog entry about seb210?
[10:48] <dholbach> http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/seb210-2005-04-08-20-30
[11:07] <Treenaks> that one's great
[11:12] <Burgundavia> dholbach, I have another source for you
[11:12] <Burgundavia> most of the stuff we already have, but there are a few new things
[11:14] <dholbach> Burgundavia: would you mail it to me, so i could back there as soon as breezy opens?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> dholbach, hey, np
[11:15] <dholbach> ROCK :-)
[11:15] <Burgundavia> dholbach, I will do the checking for what we have and don't have
[11:15] <Burgundavia> so you know exactly what to pull
[11:15] <dholbach> Burgundavia: i'd rather mail the maintainer
[11:15] <Burgundavia> this is from another debian deriv
[11:15] <Burgundavia> most of the stuff is debian sid
[11:20] <hsprang> g'morning!
[11:20] <dholbach> hey hsprang
[11:25] <hsprang> dholbach, just saw you planned a "release barbecue", but as you where here yesterday, this didn't happen, i guess?
[11:25] <dholbach> not really
[11:26] <dholbach> mvo and i are going to have a beer today :-)
[11:26] <dholbach> we REALLY need to improve the loco-team structure :-)
[11:29] <hsprang> at least there are some more people next to you - here in the north i could have a beer with me and myself :) hm, or go to london...
[11:29] <hsprang> bbl, breakfast...
[11:43] <dholbach> hsprang: herzi should live near you (somewhere in hamburg at least)
[11:50] <dholbach> see you later
[12:36] <hsprang> re
[12:40] <herve> hi!
[12:51] <HostingGeek> hi
[12:51] <HostingGeek> How dear you not say hi to super herve!
[12:52] <HostingGeek> How do you think you are?
[12:52] <trulux> woka
[12:54] <HostingGeek> *Who
[12:54] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: woka != the king!
[12:54] <HostingGeek> * trulux
[12:54] <HostingGeek> to many people in this channel
[12:55] <Lathiat> yeh get out, your crowding us
[12:55] <herve> HostingGeek, you make too much noise
[12:55] <HostingGeek> no for tab completions
[12:55] <Noise> herve: better?
[12:56] <herve> worst
[12:56] <Noise> :(
[12:56] <trulux> oh no, he's back!
[01:47] <tseng> jeez im the #3 hit on google for dpatch
[01:50] <Lathiat> haha
[02:00] <HostingGeek> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view is showing the nice human colors
[02:00] <HostingGeek> not the ones in the final which look UGLAY!!!!!
[02:04] <HostingGeek> ubuntu is starting to suck now... i loved brown! i hate redish-brown!
[02:04] <HostingGeek> like the redish theme made me rethhink ubuntu...
[02:05] <HostingGeek> ubuntu now only rocks because of the motu team
[02:05] <Burgundavia> HostingGeek, please keep your talk to universe/multiverse mattesr
[02:06] <HostingGeek> Burgundavia: ok
[02:47] <herzi> hsprang: which part of hamburg are you from?
[02:47] <herzi> dholbach: take a look at our ident strings and you'll see the we're both from hamburg
[02:48] <herzi> s/the/that/
[02:48] <dholbach> herzi: i knew before :-)
[02:48] <hsprang> herzi, he already knew that and told me when i was worried about having my releas party only with me and myself :)
[02:52] <herve> dholbach, hi Daniel!
[02:52] <dholbach> hey herve
[02:53] <dholbach> how are you?
[02:53] <herve> quite fine
[02:53] <herve> slept enough :)
[02:53] <dholbach> :-)
[02:54] <herve> what about you?
[02:54] <herve> you party for the hoary release?
[02:54] <dholbach> i'm fine... thanks - went back to a normal sleep cycle :-)
[02:54] <dholbach> herve: i'm going to have a beer with mvo tonight
[02:54] <ogra> dholbach, how silly, you should train yourself on .au cycle :)
[02:54] <dholbach> nothing exciting, we need to improve the LoCo teams :-)
[02:54] <herve> and work on your thesis next week? :-p
[02:55] <dholbach> ogra: haha... nothing to train - i think i'm quite good at surviving without sleep :-)
[02:55] <ogra> heh
[02:55] <dholbach> herve: yeah... i'll do some hacking on it
[02:55] <dholbach> herve: already had a bunch of ideas
[02:55] <herve> don't forget them ;-)
[02:56] <herzi> dholbach: about loco-coordination: http://blaubeermuffin.de/deutschlandkarte/
[02:56] <dholbach> herve: we absolutely need that
[02:56] <dholbach> herve: oops
[02:56] <dholbach> herzi: we absolutely need that
[02:56] <herzi> :D
[02:57] <AstralJava> Hi folks.
[02:57] <dholbach> herzi: you should talk to jdub and smurfix
[02:57] <herzi> http://blaubeermuffin.de/stuff/deutschlandkarte.tar.bz2
[03:00] <hsprang> herzi, dholbach i like the idea with that map, too!
[03:00] <hsprang> hy AstralJava
[03:13] <dholbach> hsprang: #ubuntu-devel :-)
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[03:14] <Treenaks> get a fix!
[03:18] <Lathiat> walk outside :)
[03:19] <Treenaks> Lathiat: the antenna is already outside.. it worked already
[03:19] <Lathiat> ah ok :)
[03:20] <Lathiat> walk outside anyway
[03:20] <Lathiat> just for fun
[03:20] <Lathiat> :)
[03:20] <Treenaks> Lathiat: but it's cold.. and windy
[03:20] <Lathiat> heh
[03:20] <herzi> Treenaks: that's a excuse, not a reason
[03:21] <herzi> +n
[03:21] <Treenaks> herzi: still.. I have a fix now.. so there's no need
[03:21] <AstralJava> Why go out in the cold when you can be in with Ubuntu?
[03:22] <AstralJava> Doesn't make any sense.
[03:22] <Treenaks> AstralJava: especially the "march" calendar :P
[03:22] <Lathiat> ah but you can be outside with the philosophy of ubuntu
[03:22] <Lathiat> Treenaks: *G*
[03:22] <Lathiat> HUMANITY
[03:22] <AstralJava> Treenaks: Yeah. :)
[03:22] <Lathiat> im waiting for april
[03:22] <Lathiat> damnit
[03:22] <Lathiat> the installer is a bit braindead if you don't have an internet connection
[03:22] <Lathiat> sits for far too long trying to test the network repostory
[03:23] <Lathiat> youd think that since i have no default gateway and no NS configured itd time out pretty quick
[03:24] <ajmitch_> one would hope so
[03:25] <herzi> i LOVE sharpmusique
[03:27] <ajmitch_> http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=-45.8681&lon=170.5039&scale=5000&icon=x
[03:27] <ajmitch_> looks close enough for me :)
[03:27] <ajmitch_> morning bddebian
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:46] <herve> hey! an encolpe!
[03:46] <encolpe> Hello people
[03:49] <bddebian> Hello encolpe
[04:02] <dholbach> bbl
[06:37] <jaldhar> dholbach: so I talked to mako yesterday.  Which docs do I need to read to learn about becoming a MOTU?
[06:38] <dholbach> hey jaldhar
[06:38] <ogra> jaldhar, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU is a good start....there are several subpages
[06:38] <dholbach> we don't have so much docs around yet
[06:38] <dholbach> lots of pioneer atmosphere :-)
[06:38] <ogra> (getting involved, recruitment etc)
[06:38] <jaldhar> ok I'll do that
[06:39] <dholbach> the general approach is helping out, fixing packages, working together, becoming member (in the communitycouncil meeting), having a good gpg key, being approved as MOTU :-)
[06:39] <dholbach> (in short) :-)
[06:40] <tseng> dholbach: ping
[06:40] <dholbach> tseng: pong
[06:40] <jaldhar> btw, I noticed somewhere that Ubuntu like Debian won't distribute pine because of the license.  But UW distrubute their own .deb.  Couldn't that be included?
[06:40] <schweeb> ping response time: 100ms
[06:41] <tseng> dholbach: can you come to debian-mono and test for amd64 maybe?
[06:41] <ogra> dholbach,  you forgot "fixing even more packages" before "having a good gpg key"
[06:41] <dholbach> tseng: i think i'll leave soon -> beer with mvo, but will join
[06:41] <dholbach> tseng: just a sec
[06:41] <dholbach> ogra: right
[06:41] <jaldhar> well as a DD I have excellent GPG credentials
[06:41] <tseng> ogra: how about you?
[06:41] <dholbach> jaldhar: i tried a version, which didnt compile
[06:41] <tseng> ogra: wanna test mono on amd64?
[06:41] <ogra> tseng, sure....where is the repo ?
[06:41] <tseng> #debian-mono
[06:42] <ogra> bah...pointing synaptic to IRC works ?
[06:42] <tseng> yep
[06:42] <jaldhar> dholbach: it is a little tricky but not impossible on arge atleast.  I maintain an unofficial package.
[06:42] <tseng> brand new transport backend
[06:42] <tseng> (he hasnt posted a link yet)
[06:42] <ogra> hehe
[06:42] <dholbach> jaldhar: if the license isnt TOO anal, we could have it in multiverse
[06:43] <dholbach> i can't remember what the problem exactly was
[06:43] <dholbach> but i tried to compile it 5 years ago on potato and it didnt work either ;-)
[06:44] <ogra> dholbach, its a similar license to javas... wont work for multiverse i guess
[06:44] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:44] <dholbach> well... i'm no expert
[06:44] <ogra> (it forbids to distribute similar progs)
[06:44] <jaldhar> dholbach: the problem is the license is badly worded.  They don't actually mind if people modify and redistribute but we have to go by what they have actually written.
[06:45] <dholbach> jaldhar: it should be re-worded then :-)
[06:45] <dholbach> ogra:  you will have to teach me how to do all that flashy gimp stuff one day
[06:45] <ogra> yeah, convince upstream
[06:45] <jaldhar> ogra: all they wanted was that people put an L to denote it is not an official UW version but it didn't turn out that way.
[06:46] <ogra> dholbach, a personal BOF in .au ?
[06:46] <dholbach> ogra: if we will have the time...
[06:46] <dholbach> ogra: or a --dry-run on the plane :-)
[06:46] <jaldhar> dholbach: I already had that conversation with UW years ago.  It's not going to happen :(
[06:46] <ogra> hehe...dunno if i can that from the top of my head
[06:46] <dholbach> jaldhar: :-/
[06:47] <dholbach> ogra: i just want a piece of text to look flashy, *grmbl*
[06:48] <dholbach> i didnt know OOo was stupid enough to ask me every 15 minutes for a "auto-save"... wow
[06:48] <Lathiat> ahaha
[06:49] <Lathiat> dholbach: those may be for real saves
[06:49] <ogra> dholbach, Xtns->script fu-> logos
[06:49] <Lathiat> dholbach: like it autosaves a backup, but remidns you every 15 minutes you might wan tot actualy save the file
[06:49] <Lathiat> OO.o2 is pretty swanky
[06:49] <Lathiat> gonna try ipress to write my slides
[06:50] <Lathiat> gotta try getting my laptop to go with a projector too
[06:52] <dholbach> ogra: all those stupid logos shrink the whole canvas *grmbl*
[06:53] <ogra> dholbach, just put a layer in the background...
[06:53] <dholbach> ah hm... well
[07:17] <zyga> hello
[07:18] <zyga> what is the procedure to request an upgrade of package in universe?
[07:18] <zyga> I'm currently building lilipond 2.4.x because 2.2.x is not usable and 2.4.x is marked as stable
[07:19] <dholbach> zyga: does debian have it?
[07:19] <zyga> dholbach: ubuntu has it
[07:19] <ogra> zyga, you can ask here, add it to the MOTUToSync page on the wiki....but it wont be possible before breezy is open....
[07:19] <zyga> dholbach: it seeems debian has it too, wait
[07:19] <dholbach> zyga: does debian have the new version?
[07:19] <zyga> ogra: ah so universe is bound by the freeze too?
[07:19] <ogra> zyga, sync means we can pull it from sid
[07:19] <ogra> zyga, sure
[07:19] <zyga> dholbach: yes
[07:19] <dholbach> universe "released" as well
[07:20] <zyga> http://lilypond.org/web/install/#2.4
[07:20] <zyga> ubuntu has 2.2.6
[07:20] <dholbach> zyga: if debian has the new version, we can grab it from there (as long as somebody tested it on ubuntu before), else we'll have to package a new version
[07:21] <zyga> dholbach: debian has a bit outdated version too, I think I'll wait for breezy and request it via wiki
[07:21] <dholbach> zyga: we can't sync what is not packaged
[07:21] <dholbach> zyga: so if YOU would provide us with a nice new source package, we could review and upload it :-)
[07:22] <zyga> dholbach: I've never packaged anything before
[07:22] <dholbach> zyga: that's where we all started :-)
[07:22] <zyga> dholbach: after I finish my work here (I need to make some pretty pdf's with notes) I could try and learn
[07:22] <dholbach> cool! :-)
[07:22] <zyga> dholbach: notes have a deadline till tommorow :)
[07:22] <zyga> okay thanks for the insight :)
[07:23] <dholbach> anytime :-)
[07:25] <zyga> I had some warnings about autoconf 2.59 being not compatible with g++ 3.x
[07:27] <dholbach> i'm off - have a nice evening
[07:27] <ogra> ciao dholbach
[07:27] <dholbach> bye ogra
[08:02] <d> Hi!
[08:03] <d> Any chance of seeing the musepack decoder enter universe or multiverse anytime soon?
[08:04] <d> Along with the beep media player and the xmms musepack plug-in?
[08:05] <ogra> d, sure, but it will only be available in breezy
[08:05] <ogra> which wont be usable for the next 6-8 weeks i guess
[08:05] <d> aww! :( Whens the first release of Breezy? October?
[08:05] <ogra> yop
[08:05] <ogra> hoary is stable, so it will only see security updates
[08:06] <d> what? I'll have to compile something? ;)
[08:07] <ogra> nah, you have to help testing breezy ;)
[08:08] <crimsun> d: I said I'll be maintaining those
[08:08] <crimsun> you're welcome to join me if you wish
[08:09] <d> no prob. Have I got to sign up, get a bugzilla account or something to report bugs in ubuntu? DVD playback is broke in multiverse Mplayer
[08:09] <crimsun> please file bugs in malone (see topic)
[08:10] <d> whats malone?
[08:10] <ogra> d, our bugtracker
[08:28] <trulux> anyone here knows well on povray?
[08:33] <ogra> hmm, #povray or #blender probably if they exist
[08:39] <trulux> ogra: yeah, #povray looks dead :(
[08:39] <ogra> :-/
[08:39] <ogra> sorry, its about 6 years ago i touched it last...
[08:41] <trulux> I'm writing a paper for school, just writing a earth model
[08:41] <trulux> and got
[08:41] <trulux> Parse Error: No matching } in 'texture', undeclared identifier 'of' found instead
[08:41] <trulux> based on an old work
[08:41] <trulux> I needed to rewrite some things, halo is no more available on 3.5
[08:41] <trulux> etc
[08:42] <ogra> hmm
[09:41] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:41] <crimsun> need to check fluxbox 0.1.14
[09:41] <crimsun> err, 0.9.12
[09:42] <AstralJava> Oh?
[09:42] <crimsun> yeah, I'll try to maintain those, too
[09:42] <AstralJava> Right. :)
[09:43] <AstralJava> Did you go somewhere last night, I mean any of those release parties?
[09:45] <crimsun> no, I graded exams and programming assignments
[09:46] <crimsun> actually I should ask ikaro if he wants to maintain them, since he's upstream, heh
[09:48] <crimsun> back later
[09:49] <AstralJava> 'k.
[09:56] <tseng> crimsun: ikaro is upstream fluxbox?
[09:56] <tseng> afaik he just runs a themes site
[10:44] <tseng> is breezy open yet???????????/
[10:44] <tseng> i need a new libsqlite
[10:45] <schweeb> rol
[10:46] <ogra> tseng, as i said before.... after the backports are up ;)
[10:47] <schweeb> I imagine elmo took a bit of a vacation
[10:47] <schweeb> so it could be a while :)
[10:49] <ogra> schweeb, unlikely that elmo has one silent minute today...
[10:50] <schweeb> heh
[10:50] <ajmitch> ogra: I can't believe that you're saying the word! :)
[10:50] <ogra> schweeb, the backbone for the archives was broken several times today
[10:50] <ogra> ajmitch, its allowed in jokes ;)
[10:50] <schweeb> ogra: ouch
[10:58] <Mithrandir> tseng: it's "up", but you can't upload to it yet.
[10:58] <tseng> Mithrandir: i was mostly joking
[10:58] <tseng> but im ready to go :)
[10:59] <Mithrandir> now I want sarge to release so I can release a new pkg-config I can upload to debian so I can sync it to Ubuntu.
[10:59] <Mithrandir> :P
[10:59] <Mithrandir> (Or I could just upload it to Ubuntu)
[10:59] <schweeb> hah
[10:59] <schweeb> Sarge... release?
[10:59] <schweeb> impossible!