[12:00] <carthik> Can anyone tell me a way to get around the firewall at school which prevents me from downloading torrents, by the way?
[12:00] <jefis_> yea yea
[12:00] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, you may need to run as root user sorry :P
[12:00] <jefis_> windows works well, linux not
[12:00] <zendog> Impi_Warrior, LOL
[12:00] <jefis_> whata f#%?
[12:00] <spanglesontoast> jefis
[12:00] <Bongle> carthik, you wish
[12:00] <spanglesontoast> you have no brain
[12:00] <LinuxJones> tiredbones, sudo -s (enter your password) menu-editor
[12:00] <spanglesontoast> it's the same
[12:00] <SpaceNuts> carthik, I don't know, maybe ask your school admin
[12:00] <QMario> Why can't I click on New Driver in the Properties Box for my printer connected to my Linux computer? (This is when Windows is trying to install a new driver for the printer)
[12:00] <jefis_> maybe
[12:00] <merriam> darGor: Let me check...
[12:00] <Obsidians> carthik: Will it boot to KDE every time? Will I be able to get back to Gnome? Will I be able to unsintall it easily?
[12:00] <lan> i need some help, my computer with ubuntu, my internet is not working with it. If you can help then please IM me
[12:00] <carthik> Bongle , I get around the firewall by using a tunnel for IRC...
[12:00] <beowuff> carthik, if you now of a server on the outside that you can connect to with ssh, you can tunnel a connection through that server. Otherwise, good luck.
[12:01] <jefis_> but why in linux it's so slow
[12:01] <spanglesontoast> what you using?
[12:01] <jefis_> azuerus
[12:01] <Bongle> carthik, can you ssh somewhere and wget the torrent then ftp to that place and get it then run azerous?
[12:01] <carthik> Obsidians.... uninstall easily is doubtful... uninstalling kubuntu-desktop will not uninstall everything it installed
[12:01] <spanglesontoast> I used azureus on both oses
[12:01] <carthik> Obsidians, sudo apt-get --purge remove kubuntu-desktop might do the trick though
[12:01] <spanglesontoast> so unless your machine sucks. then
[12:01] <zendog> jefis_, compared with that, LOL, winslug o deepblue?
[12:02] <jefis_> ?
[12:02] <Obsidians> carthik: Alright...... will it give an option of what to boot to? Or how does that work? I'm new to Linux.
[12:02] <QMario> Why can't I click on New Driver in the Properties Box for my printer connected to my Linux computer? (This is when Windows is trying to install a new driver for the printer)
[12:02] <spanglesontoast> what's your internet setup
[12:02] <SpaceNuts> anyone know why I am not getting a desktop environment
[12:02] <Bongle> SpaceNuts, does x run?
[12:02] <carthik> Bongle, the problem is that I can get at .torrent files, but the downloading does not start, it is stalled at nothing
[12:02] <QMario> Is my question unclear?
[12:02] <jefis_> spanglesontoast, pppoe
[12:02] <SpaceNuts> Bongle, seems not, since I get text like cursor on console 7
[12:02] <jefis_> source from dsl provider
[12:02] <QMario> SBC?
[12:02] <jefis_> fine compiled ;)
[12:02] <carthik> Obsidians, yes, when you login, choose the preferred "Session" - there is an option in the login screen
[12:02] <spanglesontoast> I don't use that soz.
[12:03] <zzyber> can someone plz send me an up to date source.list
[12:03] <MrNonchalant> Yay! It auto-recognizes my printer model now!
[12:03] <MrNonchalant> Hoary rocks
[12:03] <GameJunky> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:03] <GameJunky> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used
[12:03] <GameJunky>  instead.
[12:03] <QMario> Why can't I click on New Driver in the Properties Box for my printer connected to my Linux computer? (This is when Windows is trying to install a new driver for the printer)
[12:03] <jefis_> dammm
[12:03] <spanglesontoast> be best to ask the azureus team
[12:03] <Bongle> SpaceNuts, what you have for a video card? maybe you need to change x(org/free86) to know the correct driver
[12:03] <jefis_> somethere saw "boost" property on ppp0 :)
[12:03] <SpaceNuts> Bongle, a GF 2 MX, and some other 2mb ati I beleive
[12:04] <^thehatsrule^> gf2mx here too!
[12:04] <Impi_Warrior> You know I'm in a bad state when I haven't even installed Ubuntu, Hoary's just been released, and already I'm eagerly awaiting Breezy.
[12:04] <SpaceNuts> Bongle, GF is AGP and current in BIOS and connected with monitor, ati is in PCI and doing nothing I suppose
[12:04] <carthik> QMario, try downloading the driver from somewhere and installing it manually?
[12:04] <spanglesontoast> just join the #azureus channel
[12:04] <spanglesontoast> they are on the same server
[12:04] <carthik> Impi_Warrior, same here
[12:04] <L0st> "no screens found"! where did they go??
[12:04] <L0st> :/
[12:04] <carthik> L0st, they were L0st
[12:04] <Bongle> SpaceNuts, edit the xorg(or xfree86) config and set the driver to nvidia (also make sure you have the nvidia packages installed)
[12:04] <MrNonchalant> lol
[12:04] <abze> i was going to use suse, dual boot with windows, dcouldnt boot windows, anyone know if that could be a prob with ubuntu-geek
[12:04] <L0st> :(
[12:04] <seven_six_two> can anyone reccomend a good non-ubuntu repository to add to synaptic>
[12:05] <aroman> Impi_Warrior, so the next one's gonna be breezy?
[12:05] <carthik> seven_six_two, why would you need one such?
[12:05] <SpaceNuts> Bongle, ok going to do so now
[12:05] <Impi_Warrior> aroman, Breezy Badger, yep.
[12:05] <L0st> carthik: as if you were waiting to say that ;)
[12:05] <blizah> im upgrading all my packages for hoary..how many gets are there in all?
[12:05] <seven_six_two> i want transcode, and i want the dependancies handles automatically
[12:05] <blizah> just curious
[12:05] <Bongle> seven_six_two, on the ubuntu guide there is a good one with packages like libdvdcss and things
[12:05] <newuser> HEllo
[12:05] <blizah> guess more anxious than curious
[12:05] <spanglesontoast> anyways be back soon :D
[12:05] <newuser> I need some ubuntu help, I just installed it and it will not let me change from 640x480 screen resolution
[12:05] <Bongle> seven_six_two, transcode isn't free so you're going to have a rough time getting a repo that has it :)
[12:06] <newuser> Possibile problems and solutions?
[12:06] <seven_six_two> aah. i got it from plf before
[12:06] <seven_six_two> but i think thats mdk
[12:06] <tiredbones> LinuxJones: I'm getting some python errors. Has this been tested?
[12:06] <Bongle> newuser, set your video driver correctly (if you have nvidia card, make sure it's the nvidia driver)
[12:06] <osmandemirhan> hi, I have a problem with totem on hoary.
[12:07] <Bongle> osmandemirhan, sound or video related?
[12:07] <newuser> It is an onboard video driver
[12:07] <osmandemirhan> my video card s3virge
[12:07] <Bongle> newuser, well i suppose you could manually add more video modes into your config
[12:07] <newuser> er, onboard video, default driver
[12:07] <osmandemirhan> yes it is onborad
[12:07] <newuser> Bongle, can you give me a direction to look for doing that?
[12:07] <SpaceNuts> Bongle, I see it only has the ATI PCI card in the xorg.conf
[12:07] <L0st> I guess am stuck in console, well, I 'll get to learn more about it
[12:08] <MrNonchalant> lol
[12:08] <kakalto> I don't suppose that any of you would know why my xfce settings might be interfering with gnome loading?
[12:08] <SpaceNuts> Bongle, little bit strange ubuntu takes a PCI card first instead of a AGP
[12:08] <djm62> L0st, what's up?
[12:08] <Impi_Warrior> aroman, Breezy is due in October
[12:08] <dcraven> newuser, open up the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and paste the Section "Screen" section into www.pastebin.com.
[12:08] <Bongle> newuser, you need to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and find where there is a line... holdup a second
[12:08] <osmandemirhan> are there a solution to run totem?
[12:08] <Bongle> osmandemirhan, what is not working in totem
[12:09] <abze> hope there isnt a problem with dualboot with Windows
[12:09] <SpaceNuts> ^thehatsrule^, could you please show me the settings you have for your GF 2?
[12:09] <seven_six_two> Bongle, you mention that there is a good repo on Ubuntu guide...on the site or in docs?
[12:09] <Impi_Warrior> btw, does anybody know if it's possible to run a dual-boot Ubuntu/OS X system?
[12:09] <L0st> djm62: I cant start xserver, it says No screens found
[12:09] <roger> how long do you guys reckon it will be before we can start using development breezy packages?
[12:09] <dcraven> osmandemirhan, is it totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[12:09] <newuser> Thanks Bongle
[12:09] <lan> can any one help me, the internet on my ubuntu computer is not working
[12:09] <osmandemirhan> when I run it , it gives "Resource busy or not available" error message
[12:09] <Bongle> newuser, you need find a line that starts with the words Modes and has "640x480" just type more resolutions in there, the first one on the line is the first it tries
[12:09] <djm62> L0st: can you PM me your xorg.conf?
[12:09] <dcraven> roger, give the devs a few weeks.
[12:09] <Bongle> newuser, my modes line looks like: 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[12:09] <kakalto> how do I copy files/folders with a . infront of them?
[12:09] <osmandemirhan> it is totem-gstreamer
[12:09] <newuser> Thank you Bongle, I appreciate your help
[12:10] <newuser> I can take it from here :)
[12:10] <roger> dcraven cheers :)
[12:10] <kakalto> where are the xfce desktop settings stored?
[12:10] <dcraven> osmandemirhan, try totem-xine.
[12:10] <osmandemirhan> ok, thanks
[12:10] <seven_six_two> kakalto, the . just makes it hidden
[12:10] <dcraven> osmandemirhan, no problem.
[12:10] <Bongle> seven_six_two, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:10] <djm62> kakalto, menu-> show hidden files, in a GUI
[12:10] <SpaceNuts> kakalto, normally in your home dir
[12:10] <kakalto> djm62: I don't have GUI ;)
[12:10] <kakalto> GNOME won't load
[12:11] <kakalto> and I suspect it's to do with xfce
[12:11] <SpaceNuts> kakalto, /home/username/.xfce or something like that
[12:11] <kakalto> nope
[12:11] <djm62> just type the "." then, ls -a will show the hidden files
[12:11] <kakalto> SpaceNuts: tried that already
[12:11] <kakalto> not ther
[12:11] <seven_six_two> Bongle, super-stylin.....thanks very much
[12:11] <SpaceNuts> what is the name of the opensource Nvidia driver, is it "nv" ?
[12:12] <kakalto> does anyone know where xfce's settings are stored in the home directory?
[12:12] <tisaak> hi again
[12:12] <Kriss_Walker> hi all
[12:12] <newuser> Bongle, issue..
[12:12] <Bongle> newuser, yes/
[12:12] <tisaak> LinuxJones, i did what the thread said
[12:12] <snaga> if I am running secure imap on my server, do I need to provide secure authentication as well?
[12:12] <newuser> It has all the proper modes listed, but ubuntu will not allow me to change the resolution?
[12:12] <tisaak> still same problem
[12:12] <djm62> Is there any policy here on using remote desktop?
[12:12] <roger> SpaceNuts yeah, nv for opensource one, nvidia for the nvidia binary drivers
[12:12] <kakalto> anyone?
[12:13] <Bongle> newuser, i suspect then that it is a driver issue
[12:13] <tisaak> dns resolution is still VERY slow
[12:13] <digif1x> 'lo
[12:13] <newuser> Hrm.
[12:13] <seven_six_two> i would say .xfce
[12:13] <djm62> kakalto, create a new user, so you have a working gui, then compare the two home directories?
[12:13] <newuser> Where should I go from here to find out the method to resolve the issue?
[12:13] <tisaak> connecting to this channel took me 45 seconds!
[12:13] <dcraven> kakakoka, ~/.xfce4
[12:13] <kakalto> djm62: how do I create a new user?
[12:13] <kakalto> dcraven: no, it's not there
[12:13] <seven_six_two> kakalto, what is the error you're getting?
[12:14] <dcraven> kakakoka, have you ever successfully booted into xfce?
[12:14] <kakalto> I'm not getting an error, but gnome just freezes at the splash screen
[12:14] <seven_six_two> i had to sudo chown my home dir when i first installed
[12:14] <dcraven> kakalto, I mean.
[12:14] <djm62> kakalto, sudo useradd
[12:14] <Kriss_Walker> kakakoka, user the "Users & Groups" in the System's menu?
[12:14] <kakalto> dcraven: before I wiped, leaving my home directory
[12:14] <Bongle> kakakoka, there is a user administration tool under system -> administration
[12:14] <kakalto> yes
[12:14] <kakalto> Bongle: doesn't that require GNOME
[12:15] <seven_six_two> kakalto, try ls -l and make sure you're the owner of your home dir'
[12:15] <kakalto> which I can't get into?
[12:15] <dcraven> kakalto, well that's where the settings are on my machine.. that's weird.
[12:15] <merriam> darGor: first just the downloading -- http://technophobe.net/downloading_and_burning_a_CD.html
[12:15] <Bongle> kakakoka, good point, i supppose it would :)
[12:15] <toxickore> what if i found that a repo is not available?
[12:15] <toxickore> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:15] <kakalto> seven_six_two: what am I looking for?
[12:15] <kakalto> that's all my normal files I downloaded
[12:15] <tisaak> so, does anyone have a correct fix for the ipv6 dns resolution/slow network issue?
[12:15] <kakalto> apart from app.log
[12:15] <Kriss_Walker> for adding users in the console i suppose you could use : useradd -m [name] 
[12:15] <seven_six_two> go into your home dir
[12:15] <seven_six_two> type        ls -l
[12:15] <merriam> That's naive bash.  Anyone want to tell me how to do it properly?  Anyway, that's what worked for me with unreliable dial-up.
[12:15] <kakalto> I did
[12:15] <SpaceNuts> roger, thx
[12:16] <kakalto> seven_six_two: I did, it came up with app.log and all the files/folders I have
[12:16] <seven_six_two> two words will appear in the list. one is owner, one is group
[12:16] <newuser> Hrm
[12:16] <newuser> This is frustrating :(
[12:16] <kakalto> app.log is owned by root
[12:16] <seven_six_two> in home dir?
[12:16] <NeoEcoS> kakalto try with sudo su, and after useradd
[12:16] <seven_six_two> cd /home
[12:16] <GhostFreeman> wait
[12:16] <GhostFreeman> hold the fuck up
[12:16] <dcraven> newuser, how are you trying to change the resolution?
[12:17] <seven_six_two> ls -l     should show you directories of users
[12:17] <GhostFreeman> Why do I haveta hold down Shift now when I want to Copy/Paste
[12:17] <newuser> using the ubuntu change screen resolution from system menu
[12:17] <kakalto> ya
[12:17] <tisaak> www.google.com takes 40 seconds to load
[12:17] <athlon> anyone here using amarok with hoary ? I apt-get it but cant play anything because amarok comes with no engines.
[12:17] <kakalto> I'm going to try to log in as john, and find out the differences between our directories
[12:17] <dcraven> newuser, try Ctrl-Alt-KP_Plus
[12:17] <kakalto> :P
[12:17] <newuser> I checked my X11 configs and cant seem to find anything showing the resoltuion at 64
[12:17] <Loevborg> athlon, I sure use it, I love it ;)
[12:17] <seven_six_two> first in list is permissions   drwxr******
[12:17] <dcraven> newuser, or KP_Minus
[12:17] <seven_six_two> then a number
[12:18] <athlon> Loevborg, hrm, so it actually works ?
[12:18] <Loevborg> athlon, use amarok's xine backend, it's much more stable forme.
[12:18] <seven_six_two> then owner and group
[12:18] <newuser> nothing dcraven
[12:18] <athlon> Loevborg, which package should I install ?
[12:18] <mross> I just upgraded to the latest version of ubuntu. Debconf sent me an e-mail saying I should follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/reiser4progs/NEWS.Debian to prevent potential curruption. /usr/share/doc/reiser4progs/NEWS.Debian says I should run # debugfs.reiser4 -C <device> where I assume device is /dev/hda1 (correct me if I am wrong ). When I run that command it tells me that the device is mounted as rewriteable so it did not run but I can use the f o
[12:18] <seven_six_two> owner of your dir should be your username
[12:18] <dcraven> newuser, could you paste the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file at www.pastebin.com?
[12:18] <newuser> dcraven, one moment please
[12:19] <gaio> any user with extigy soundcard? plz query me
[12:20] <SpaceNuts> cool my Nvidia GF now works, got GNOME
[12:20] <seven_six_two> seems strange that root would own home dir after fresh install
[12:20] <SpaceNuts> Bongle, thx, altough you're away, and the others for the help
[12:20] <lao_v> hi guys need some help with wireless pls
[12:21] <lao_v> i'm using the driverloader for my wireless card with WEP
[12:21] <newuser> dcraven, I posted it
[12:21] <whiskers> man look at the crap....ZDnet is calling Linux advocates a bunch of radicals that are damaging opensource
[12:21] <abze> im downloading ubuntu at 206kbs, i could install it today :) wish me luck, never done this before
[12:21] <gaio> any user with extigy soundcard? plz query me
[12:21] <SpaceNuts> anyone thinks it is of any use to post the strange thing that PCI gfx card get priority over AGP?
[12:21] <netsniper> anyone know a good tool to see HDD data transfer speeds in the command line?
[12:21] <lao_v> i am able to connect to the router but i can't load any websites
[12:21] <djm62> whiskers, to an extent, it's true
[12:21] <dcraven> newuser, okay.. Let me browse it for a bit.
[12:21] <HaRDaWaY> hello ;)
[12:21] <lao_v> any suggestions?
[12:21] <kakalto> hmm
[12:21] <blizah> how many gets are there when upgradeing your packages from warty to hoary?...im on get: 80
[12:21] <snaga> how do I provide secure auth on my imap server
[12:21] <newuser> Thank you dcraven
[12:21] <kakalto> djm62: didn't work, the user's directories weren't created
[12:21] <dcraven> newuser, is this a hoary default file?
[12:21] <mross> blizah, over 300
[12:21] <merriam> darGor: it needs "&& break"  -- updated
[12:22] <dcraven> newuser, no manual changes?
[12:22] <newuser> yes, hoary new release
[12:22] <newuser> no changes
[12:22] <blizah> mross k tnx
[12:22] <whiskers> djm62, no...we don't have dvd players and we cannot play mp3 files...and we are trying to work with only free software....now how are we damaging the opensource community
[12:22] <darGor> merriam: Thanks a lot
[12:22] <whiskers> djm62, hey ZDNet is a bunch of radicals
[12:22] <seven_six_two> kakalto, did you make sure root isn't owner for your own dir?
[12:22] <djm62> whiskers, opensource vs free is a touchy one
[12:22] <darGor> the commands apt-get update ; what thing UPDATE ?
[12:22] <kakalto> actually, no
[12:23] <mross> could some please help me with postupgrade issues?
[12:23] <kakalto> my home directory is owned by me.
[12:23] <whiskers> djm62, opensource is a moot issue anyway...more than 70% of linux is GNU...and free...not opensource
[12:23] <Loevborg> mross, just ask away, generally.
[12:23] <dcraven> newuser, is this a laptop?
[12:23] <cybrjackle> hum, dpkg seems a little hosered after a new install of 5.04 amd64
[12:23] <seven_six_two> what is your xfce error?
[12:24] <kakalto> seven_six_two: I don't have xfce installed
[12:24] <seven_six_two> lol...
[12:24] <newuser> dcraven, no it is not a laptop. desktop: gigabyte 8I845gv
[12:24] <cybrjackle> libpt upgrade locked the box, reboot, and now no worky
[12:24] <newuser> onboard video
[12:24] <seven_six_two> sry. i thought that was your problem
[12:24] <kakalto> I had it installed, but I re-installed hoary, wiping everything except my home directory, which must have had some bad settings in there
[12:24] <kakalto> so gnome won't load
[12:24] <seven_six_two> what is the exact error you get?
[12:24] <libben> Im trying to find out how i enable HyperThreading on my mobo.... my cpu supports it... but cant find a way to enable it on mobo... can it be enabled by default? without me seeing it?
[12:24] <cybrjackle> dpkg --configure -a
[12:24] <cybrjackle> dpkg: ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[12:24] <cybrjackle> Aborted
[12:24] <djm62> whiskers, moot to you and me, but not to everyone
[12:25] <kakalto> seven_six_two, I don't, gnome just freezes on login
[12:25] <whiskers> i mean just look at Dave GNUkem vs Duke Nukem.....the code is free except for paying back your intellectual contributions
[12:25] <kakalto> gnome freezes at the splash screen
[12:25] <dcraven> newuser, backup that file like this "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig", then change the line marked #108 at pastebin to include only resolution "1024x768". Remove the rest.
[12:25] <mross> I just upgraded to the latest version of ubuntu. Debconf sent me an e-mail saying I should follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/reiser4progs/NEWS.Debian to prevent potential curruption. /usr/share/doc/reiser4progs/NEWS.Debian says I should run # debugfs.reiser4 -C <device> where I assume device is /dev/hda1 (correct me if I am wrong ). When I run that command it tells me that the device is mounted as rewriteable so it did not run but I can use the -f opt
[12:25] <netsniper> is there gkrellm for command line?
[12:25] <sgarrity> Does APT have sets or groups of packages, like Yum does?
[12:25] <seven_six_two> nothing strange in your logs?
[12:26] <gaio> plz help me with my extigyyyyyyyy
[12:26] <gaio> :
[12:26] <tisaak> sorry ppl, excuse me, but does ANYONE here know how to fix the DNS problems? The /etc/mod* solution does not work for me. DNS resolution is dog-slow
[12:26] <jesper> gaio: crtl+d
[12:26] <sr> plop
[12:26] <djm62> whiskers, you can see insistence on Free as hurting adoption of Open Source (which is less fussy about non-free components)
[12:26] <dcraven> newuser, if this doesn't work, then copying the old file back (ie "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig /etc/X11/xorg.conf") will get you back to the same state you are in.
[12:26] <dukeku_> er, how can you right-click on ubuntu ppc?
[12:26] <dukeku_> f12 doesn't seem to work anymore
[12:26] <newuser> Correct
[12:27] <dcraven> newuser, I gotto go eat. I'll be back.
[12:27] <newuser> Im familiar with most basics, X11 is new to me though
[12:27] <dcraven> newuser, okay, sorry :)
[12:27] <kakalto> seven_six_two: where are my logs?
[12:27] <whiskers> djm62, i don't really care if opensource is there or not....it is merely a matter of convenience
[12:27] <mross> Could someone try to answer my question???
[12:27] <newuser> Appreciate it, one moment
[12:27] <seven_six_two> /var/logs
[12:27] <xero> hey guys, horry for hoary release.
[12:28] <Ragg> Hey umm... I'm trying out the Ubuntu LiveCD, and it won't let me select a refresh rate higher than 60Hz for 1280x1024 and 75Hz for 1024x768. How can I make it use a higher refresh rate?
[12:28] <seven_six_two> kakalto, SORRY...     /VAR/LOG
[12:28] <sr> Ragg, I got the same problem
[12:28] <sr> but with hoary basic
[12:28] <AbzEn00b> could anyone tell me if it is hard to install ubuntu 5.04 if i havent donne it before?
[12:28] <libben> Im trying to find out how i enable HyperThreading on my mobo.... my cpu supports it... but cant find a way to enable it on mobo... can it be enabled by default? without me seeing it?
[12:28] <Igg-man> Can you manually add the modelines to the xorg.conf?
[12:28] <spanglesontoast> does k3b mount iso files as an fake disc drive?
[12:28] <newuser> ugh :(
[12:28] <jesper> libben: try cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:28] <kakalto> seven_six_two: which log am I looking at?
[12:29] <mackid_iBook> exit
[12:29] <xero> i have a question.  i have installed the pre-release for hoary.  i have been updating through the Ubuntu Update, so does this mean i have the full release of hoary??
[12:29] <newuser> ubuntu wont let me log as root from the log screen
[12:29] <newuser> bleh
[12:29] <mackid_iBook> oops :-P
[12:29] <jesper> libben: if you se 2 then it works.
[12:29] <seven_six_two> try your X log first
[12:29] <sgarrity> is there a meta-package for developer tools?
[12:29] <newuser> i guess i gotta terminal then
[12:29] <kakalto> k
[12:29] <_blue> newuser: why would you want to login as root from logon screen
[12:29] <Arnia> newuser: There isn't a root...
[12:29] <_blue> its totally asinine to do that
[12:29] <newuser> hrm
[12:29] <xero> AbzEn00b: its quite easy.  i installed hte pre-release no problem @ all
[12:29] <newuser> confusing
[12:29] <_blue> newuser: not really
[12:29] <mross> Could someone help me with a postupgrade issue?
[12:29] <AbzEn00b> thanx :)
[12:29] <samble> holy crap this channel is huge
[12:29] <_blue> if you cant effectively use the commandline
[12:29] <_blue> then you shouldnt be root
[12:30] <Bloody|RLC> who good build .deb ???
[12:30] <kakalto> no errors in my X log, seven_six_two
[12:30] <newuser> I can use the command line fine, but Im VNCing, no shell setup atm
[12:30] <AbzEn00b> what about bualboot with windows, any prob tehre?
[12:30] <chiddy> xero: yes it does
[12:30] <newuser> just installed ubuntu 10 minutes ago
[12:30] <AbzEn00b> dualboot i mean :)
[12:30] <xero> chiddy: sweet awesome thanks alot
[12:30] <kakalto> AbzEn00b: I dualboot, no problems
[12:30] <jesper> newuser: satisfied?
[12:31] <samble> AbzEn00b: make sure to partition your hd before you try and install
[12:31] <newuser> ?
[12:31] <Arnia> sgarrity: Yes... build-essential
[12:31] <AbzEn00b> im gonna install it later today :) looking forward to try it
[12:31] <sgarrity> Arnia: Excellent - thanks.
[12:31] <AbzEn00b> i have free space already
[12:31] <kakalto> seven_six_two: no errors in X log, what log next?
[12:31] <samble> sweet distro, and apparently the new one boots way faster and has speed upgrades on the desktop
[12:31] <kakalto> good luck, AbzEn00b, for then
[12:31] <seven_six_two> kakalto, look around in there. there are a lot of places to look
[12:31] <AbzEn00b> unpartioned
[12:31] <kakalto> samble: mine boots in 32seconds.
[12:32] <samble> AbzEn00b: good to go then
[12:32] <samble> 5. or older one?
[12:32] <kakalto> samble: 5.03
[12:32] <seven_six_two> try starting x again, and note the time that it failed. then look in your logs for that specific time
[12:32] <kakalto> *5.04
[12:32] <samble> yah, dats the one thats supposta be faster
[12:32] <AbzEn00b> i tryde with suse, and it wouldnt boot windows, scared it will hapen again
[12:32] <samble> i still ahve warty and its mad slow
[12:32] <kakalto> seven_six_two: X didn't fail, X seems fine, it's gnome that's teh problem
[12:32] <kakalto> samble, indeed.
[12:33] <Arnia> newuser: You don't use root in Ubuntu. You use sudo instead
[12:33] <seven_six_two> ok. same thing. try to start gnome, and note the time
[12:33] <samble> had to take gnome off and put xfce (which i like very much) on for reasonable speed
[12:33] <seven_six_two> then look in your logs for anything odd at that time
[12:33] <Arnia> newuser: Prefix root commands with 'sudo' and enter in YOUR password
[12:33] <kakalto> seven_six_two, but when I boot into gnome, it crashes, I have to reboot
[12:33] <Arnia> seven_six_two: My boot is 50 seconds including Gnome
[12:34] <tiredbones> LinuxJones: I finally got menu-editor working. thanks for your help!
[12:34] <gaio> any user with extigy soundcard? plz query me
[12:34] <seven_six_two> thats fine. can you get to another virtual terminal?
[12:34] <newuser> no root in ubuntu..
[12:34] <chiddy> WOW, look at this: http://www.dieburnbot.com/chid_desktop3.jpg (it's my pimp desktop)  :)
[12:34] <kakalto> seven_six_two: yup
[12:34] <newuser> interesting
[12:34] <Arnia> seven_six_two: Yes
[12:34] <xero> newuser: u can have root if u want to
[12:34] <Arnia> But you shouldn't need it
[12:34] <kakalto> err
[12:34] <kakalto> seven_six_two: were you talking to me or Arnia?
[12:34] <seven_six_two> maybe log in on another vt when it crashes and look at logs again
[12:34] <seven_six_two> kak
[12:34] <tiredbones> newuser: sudo passwd root
[12:35] <kakalto> ahk
[12:35] <whiskers> tiredbones, hey where did you get a menu-editor
[12:35] <kakalto> well, I'm gonna go now
[12:35] <Arnia> Ok... that makes more sense :)
[12:35] <kakalto> bye
[12:35] <kakalto> exit
[12:35] <Arnia> Bye
[12:35] <whiskers> tiredbones, did you also find a mime editor
[12:35] <seven_six_two> lol
[12:35] <thaswiftness> is there a way to take a current ubuntu install and update to the latest release ?
[12:35] <RastaMahata> LinuxJones, are you there
[12:35] <RastaMahata> ?
[12:35] <SpaceNuts> anyone know a tool to generate a new xorg.conf?
[12:36] <samble> i also have thaswiftness 's question
[12:36] <newuser> ok
[12:36] <SpaceNuts> I think that is possible with apt-get upgrade
[12:36] <SpaceNuts> wait a sex
[12:36] <SpaceNuts> err sec
[12:36] <newuser> Still issues with resolution :-\
[12:36] <samble> heh i can apt-get a new os?
[12:36] <RastaMahata> SpaceNuts, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:36] <fissy> freud!
[12:36] <Hackmo> Can someone help me with my dvd-rom problem?
[12:36] <tiredbones> whisker: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:36] <spanglesontoast> ya i have a huge gaim window
[12:36] <SpaceNuts> RastaMahata: thx
[12:36] <Ragg> Hmmh, ok how do I restart X?
[12:36] <newuser> Any other ideas?
[12:36] <thaswiftness> ctrl alt backspace
[12:36] <kkathman> anyone here running superkaramba that might be willing to help me solve a prob?
[12:37] <RastaMahata> Ragg, ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:37] <SpaceNuts> Ragg, ps -aux lookup X id
[12:37] <tiredbones> whiskers: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:37] <Ragg> Ok
[12:37] <kakalto> I'm back
[12:37] <SpaceNuts> Ragg, kill IDNO
[12:37] <Hackmo> whenever I put in a dvd or cd, the icon appears on the desktop but when I click it, the default burning program comes up
[12:37] <SpaceNuts> Ragg, and it will mostly start automagicaaly
[12:37] <RastaMahata> you're lucky, my mounted hard drives dont show up in my computer window :(
[12:37] <chiddy> to everyone who wants to upgrade from warty: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and change any mention of warty to hoary; then do sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:37] <kakalto> seven_six_two: where's the gnome log?
[12:37] <SpaceNuts> Ragg, and if not, you are to late, I was going to say startx but you already killed it and with it your IRC cleitn
[12:37] <kakalto> it's not @ /var/log
[12:38] <kakalto> or atleast, it's got a funny name if it is
[12:38] <Ragg> Ahh, that's more like it
[12:38] <tiredbones> whiskers: I wasn't looking for a mime editor. Sorry
[12:38] <Ragg> Nice respectable refresh rate
[12:38] <seven_six_two> DK
[12:38] <Ragg> My eyes have stopped bleeding
[12:38] <samble> chiddy: thanks
[12:38] <kkathman> kakalto do you run superkaramba by any chance?
[12:38] <Ragg> Thanks for the help :)
[12:38] <chiddy> samble: welcome :)
[12:38] <kakalto> kkathman: I wouldn't have any idea what that is
[12:38] <kkathman> kakalto, ah ok
[12:39] <kkathman> chiddy, hey how are you today?
[12:39] <kakalto> all I know is that when I log in to gnome, it says "xfce is not the default. do you want it to be default?"
[12:39] <chiddy> pretty good
[12:39] <chiddy> you?
[12:39] <kakalto> I say no
[12:39] <kakalto> and it tries to log in
[12:39] <kakalto> and fails
[12:39] <kkathman> chiddy, Im good :)
[12:40] <seven_six_two> kakalto, what if you say yes?
[12:40] <kakalto> seven_six_two: I don't know, but I don't have xfce installed, so it'd probably crash
[12:40] <Hackmo> How do I browse a dvd I put into my computer?
[12:40] <membreya> hmmm lol, I've been waiting so damn long..then I do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade this morning...and nothing :P
[12:41] <kakalto> seven_six_two: I was eager to see what gnome 2.10.1 looked like
[12:41] <kakalto> but I don't know If I'll end up seeing it
[12:41] <chiddy> membreya, are you using warty and if so have you changed your sources?
[12:41] <kakalto> what .folders are in ~/ when you first install?
[12:41] <membreya> chiddy: nope, been running hoary for ages :)
[12:41] <aroman> damn... installing the downloaded update packages takes so long :(
[12:41] <seven_six_two> lol. i'm not even sure why its looking for it
[12:42] <chiddy> oh, well if you updated in the past two days, i don't think anything else changed. :)
[12:42] <seven_six_two> Desktop and Documents   i think
[12:42] <kakalto> seven_six_two: must be a configuration file somewhere in the home directory
[12:42] <kakalto> seven_six_two: hidden ones, not normal
[12:43] <netsniper>  anyone have nvidia drivers working in hoary with a widescreen laptop?
[12:44] <seven_six_two> dunno....      ls -a
[12:44] <seven_six_two> theres a few
[12:44] <Flonne> Yes, netsniper.
[12:44] <samble> mmm i bet if you mailed me a widescreen laptop i'd make it work
[12:44] <netsniper> Flonne, really? how did you do it?  settings?
[12:44] <netsniper> i have been trying for 6 months now
[12:44] <Flonne> What problem are you having?
[12:44] <Flonne> Hoary just magically auto-detected my res. (1280x800)
[12:45] <netsniper> Flonne, i apt-get the 7174 drivers but all i get is black screen on login
[12:45] <seven_six_two> kakalto, you could try looking in your .gnome2   dir
[12:45] <netsniper> Flonne, had same problem in Gentoo since upgrading from the 6111 dirvers
[12:45] <Ragg> Hmmh ok now is there an easy way to access my NTFS partitions?
[12:45] <kakalto> seven_six_two: I'll give it a go
[12:45] <Xappe> Ragg, mount them
[12:45] <Flonne> netsniper, can you kill X?
[12:45] <netsniper> Flonne, but are you using the NVIDIA driver or NV driver?
[12:45] <holycow> Ragg, what Xappe said, by default linux only has read support for ntfs, not write
[12:45] <Hackmo> Can someone help me with my dvd problem?
[12:46] <netsniper> there is a HUGE difference
[12:46] <kakalto> seven_six_two: I found a log!
[12:46] <Ragg> Hmmh is there some fancy GUI app for it?
[12:46] <seven_six_two> holycow, i thought they had both now...
[12:46] <holycow> Hackmo, just ask
[12:46] <Flonne> netsniper, I'm using the nvidia driver.
[12:46] <netsniper> Flonne, wtf?  you have to let me know your settings
[12:46] <holycow> seven_six_two, the other project uses windows files
[12:46] <Flonne> I've been using the nvidia driver for more than three years.
[12:46] <seven_six_two> aah
[12:46] <holycow> you cannot distribute those so ... it's iffy
[12:46] <netsniper> Flonne, what laptop do you have?
[12:46] <kakalto> seven_six_two: but it's the wrong log :(
[12:46] <Flonne> netsniper, it may be more complicated than that depending on your laptop.
[12:46] <Hackmo> holycow: ok, when I put a DVD into my dvd-rom drive an icon appears on the desktop, I click the icon and it brings up a blank page
[12:46] <Flonne> Can you kill X?
[12:46] <seven_six_two> lol....you can't just create another user?
[12:47] <netsniper> Flonne, sue i coud
[12:47] <seven_six_two> Flonne, yes
[12:47] <holycow> Hackmo, blank page in what?
[12:47] <fissy> Ragg, don't think so, add something like this to your /etc/fstab file: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs user,ro,umask=000 0 0
[12:47] <Hackmo> holycow: it has "burn///" in the address bar so i'm assuming that it's the default burning program for gnome
[12:47] <netsniper> Flonne, ok are we going to do something?
[12:47] <Hackmo> holycow: nautilus
[12:47] <kakalto> seven_six_two: I tried creating another user
[12:47] <kakalto> it failed
[12:47] <holycow> try opening up totem manually
[12:47] <Flonne> netsniper, yes. What type of laptop do you have?
[12:47] <kakalto> it didn't create the home directories
[12:47] <seven_six_two> with what error?
[12:47] <holycow> then select movie play disc
[12:47] <holycow> sounds like your file association is wacked
[12:47] <Hackmo> holycow: It's not a movie, it has a lot of files on it that I want to be able to browse
[12:48] <netsniper> Flonne, HP Pavilion zv5270us widescreen AMD64 laptop
[12:48] <Xappe> Ragg, just create a mountpoint, for example: /media/windows then issue a sudo mount -t ntfs -o user,umask=0222 /dev/hdx /media/windows
[12:48] <kakalto> seven_six_two: it said "~/.gnome2 doesn't exist"
[12:48] <kakalto> and a few other folders
[12:48] <Hackmo> holycow: how do I fix that?
[12:48] <Flonne> netsniper, I've got a Compaq r3190. I think I know exactly what's wrong.
[12:48] <fissy> hey Xappe don't steal my thunder ;-) :P
[12:48] <Flonne> netsniper, PM okay?
[12:48] <Ragg> Hmmh ok
[12:48] <Arnia> holycow: Is it a CDR or CD-RW?
[12:48] <netsniper> Flonne, ya
[12:48] <samble> Hackmo: what about right clickin it?
[12:48] <holycow> ah, sounds like it can't read the file system on the dvd ... not exactly sure how to fix it, what did you use to write it?
[12:48] <Arnia> Ugh... Hackmo
[12:48] <holycow> Arnia, lol
[12:48] <seven_six_two> it said that when you used    sudo adduser?
[12:48] <Hackmo> samble: I tried right clicking it and clicking explore but the same windows comes up
[12:48] <digale-tambien> why can't I delete /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers ?
[12:48] <kakalto> seven_six_two: yup
[12:48] <tisaak> hi again
[12:49] <tisaak> my root password has suddenly changed !
[12:49] <tisaak> WTF!
[12:49] <RastaMahata> hey, does anybody else get their devices NOT shown in their Computer place? or desktop? :(
[12:49] <Arnia> Hackmo: If its writable and hasn't been finalised then it will bring up nautilus-burn I believe
[12:49] <RastaMahata> In warty i was able to see my other hard drives from computer:///, now, they dont show up
[12:49] <Xappe> Ragg, and hdx is, of course changed to the name of your ntfs partition for example hda1
[12:49] <jirwin> hello
[12:50] <jirwin> I am having trouble changing my screen resolution
[12:50] <seven_six_two> kakalto, i just did it and it worked fine
[12:50] <Hackmo> Arnia: I was thinking that but I didn't burn the disk so I don't know if it has been finalised, is there anyway to view the contents of the disk though?
[12:50] <fissy> RastaMahata, it seems to be pretty random whether they show up or not, you should be able to browse to them through the filesystem whatever
[12:50] <jirwin> it won't allow me to go above 640x480
[12:50] <tisaak> tisaak@quikstop:~$ su
[12:50] <tisaak> Password:
[12:50] <tisaak> su: Authentication failure
[12:50] <tisaak> Sorry.
[12:50] <tisaak> tisaak@quikstop:~$
[12:50] <seven_six_two> kakalto,   sudo adduser newusername
[12:50] <digale-tambien> why can't I delete /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers ? I need delete it fot install gdm 'cause gdm can't be installed 'cause it can't delete that file...
[12:50] <Arnia> Hackmo: /media/cdrom should have it
[12:50] <Ragg> Yeah
[12:50] <tisaak> WTF! I didn't change the root password! now it doesn't let me su!
[12:50] <seven_six_two> the first password is your current password
[12:50] <Arnia> So Ctrl+L then type that path in
[12:50] <jirwin> i just upgraded from warty, so I am confused
[12:50] <RastaMahata> fissy, yeah, I know, But I miss them. why would it be random at all???
[12:50] <Ragg> My SATA drives are showing up, but their partitions aren't
[12:50] <tisaak> i know!
[12:50] <seven_six_two> tisaak, use your own password
[12:51] <tisaak> that's the password i try
[12:51] <seven_six_two> and you have to sudo
[12:51] <tisaak> THAT'S WHAT i'm doing!
[12:51] <fissy> RastaMahata, ubuntu is buggy. Are the devices' mount points in /media?
[12:51] <tisaak> i know that root password = my password
[12:51] <Arnia> All software is buggy :)
[12:51] <djm62> for certain values of $BUGGY
[12:51] <Hackmo> Arnia: I tried /media/cdrom but it doesn't display any files, although there is a stop sign like image in the information bar, does that mean I need to be root?
[12:51] <tisaak> i ran synaptic 3 minutes ago and entered the password and it worked
[12:52] <tisaak> now it doesn't
[12:52] <seven_six_two> you don't have to yell. you said su  not sudo
[12:52] <Obsidians> I'm trying to use aMule, and it always sends my cpu usage to 100%. What's wrong?
[12:52] <Arnia> Try /media and see what folders are there
[12:52] <jirwin> would anyone have any idea why i can't change my screen resolution?
[12:52] <djm62> tisaak, remember, you can't log in as root
[12:52] <dcraven> tisaak, capslock? ;)
[12:52] <tisaak> seven_six_two, su, sudo, both fail
[12:52] <djm62> tisaak, sudo bash
[12:52] <gnubie> netsniper http://kunjan.net/archives/2004/09/26/installing-debian-x86-64-on-hp-pavilion-zv5260us/ may be some help here
[12:52] <tisaak> i know i know
[12:52] <tisaak> no capslock
[12:52] <ryman> whats the default port for VNC ?
[12:53] <digale-tambien> why can't I delete /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers ? please help
[12:53] <Hackmo> arinia: there are four folders, "cdrom" "cdrom0" "floppy" and "floppy0"
[12:53] <holycow> oh and congratulations to the ubuntu team on another stellar release
[12:53] <holycow> :)
[12:53] <fissy> ryman, 5900
[12:53] <ryman> fissy, thanks
[12:53] <tisaak> djm62, i don't get it
[12:53] <kakalto> how do I remove a user?
[12:53] <tisaak> sudo <command> works without password
[12:53] <tisaak> su doesn't work?
[12:53] <kakalto> if you do it twice in a row, it doesn't ask twice
[12:53] <djm62> tisaak, that's right...sudo stores the capability for a short time
[12:53] <chiddy> is there anybody out there that did a completely clean install of hoary using the final released version?
[12:53] <Arnia> Hackmo: Right look in cdrom0
[12:54] <jirwin> anyone have any idea why i can't change my screen resolution, when it was supported in warty?
[12:54] <jesper> tisaak: sudo -s
[12:54] <kakalto> how do I remove a user?
[12:54] <djm62> tisaak, and su won't work
[12:54] <josip> when did Hoary Hedgehog gone gold ?
[12:54] <kakalto> sudo removeuser?
[12:54] <josip> s/did/has
[12:54] <djm62> josip, today :)
[12:54] <josip> great stuff !
[12:54] <Hackmo> Arnia: i've already tried that there is nothing in that folder either
[12:54] <kakalto> ?
[12:54] <ryman> fissy, do you know if i can use webbrowser for VNC ?
[12:54] <dhonn> hey does Hoary firefox use the default artwork on the toolbar?
[12:54] <linuxboy> what would you recommend for resizing an ext3 partition?
[12:54] <kakalto> how do I remove a user?
[12:54] <dhonn> or the gnome theme?
[12:54] <tisaak> jesper, djm62, ok, listen, 5 minutes ago i did 'su' and then entered the password and it worked
[12:54] <jesper> linuxboy: qtparted
[12:54] <dcraven> tisaak, if you really want su, do "sudo passwd" to set a root password.
[12:54] <djm62> and brilliant it is too (although obviously everyone here is here because they have a problem)
[12:54] <Arnia> Hackmo: You sure the DVD works? Tried on other systems? (sorry to ask, but always eliminate the obvious first :)
[12:55] <tisaak> THEN, i did that again and it didn't work
[12:55] <fissy> you can get vnc java applets, so you got to a webpage and it downloads the vnc viewer to use vnc in the browser window ryman
[12:55] <kakalto> ???
[12:55] <linuxboy> jesper: you tried it?
[12:55] <tisaak> dcraven, su worked 5 minutes ago on a fresh install!
[12:55] <whiskers> i think this comment pretty much sums up the ZDnet stuff
[12:55] <whiskers> There's Gnu Such Thing as GnuLinux Extremist
[12:55] <ryman> fissy, like I want to control my computer from the library
[12:55] <dcraven> tisaak, no it didn't.
[12:55] <kakalto> ANYONE?
[12:55] <RastaMahata> Arnia, Yeah, the folders are in /media, I did an upgrade from warty, taht's why this bothers me, as they were viewable then...
[12:55] <Hackmo> Arnia: yeah i'm sure the DVD works, it works on all of my other computers (ask any questions you like I appriciate the help :P )
[12:55] <ryman> I have to install the vnc java applets ?
[12:55] <jesper> tisaak: something may clutter your view, your telling that the "su" command is non-deterministic.. I dont believe that.
[12:55] <dcraven> kakalto, rmuser.
[12:55] <kakalto> THANKYOU, dcraven !
[12:56] <jirwin> anyone have any idea why i can't change my screen resolution?
[12:56] <jesper> linuxboy: only for NTFS and that worked fine.
[12:56] <loren> is Hoary Hedgehog the Gnome version of the KDE version
[12:56] <Arnia> Wow... doing two people's tech support with one set of comments ;)
[12:56] <kakalto> dcraven: you were wrong
[12:56] <fissy> ryman, I think you'd have to install a webserver on the machine you want to control too, if you can't install a vnc viewer on the library machine
[12:56] <Dr_Acemaster> what file is most commonly used to add a mount command to so on boot up a networked cache of files is available?
[12:56] <jesper> linuxboy: I assume that ext3 works just as find.
[12:56] <kakalto> rmuser: command not found
[12:56] <linuxboy> jesper: ill check it out
[12:56] <xylyx> looking for a way to install true type fonts
[12:56] <djm62> whiskers, I think you're being one-sided...hopefully because you've had good experiences :)
[12:56] <tisaak> dcraven, look, i think it did. maybe i'm delusional
[12:56] <loren>                     Hoary Hedgehog
[12:56] <dcraven> kakalto, haha.. Sorry, deluser.
[12:56] <kakalto> thanks
[12:56] <chiddy> loren, hoary hedgehog is just a name of the current relase, Ubuntu is the gnome version and Kubuntu is the KDE version
[12:56] <kakalto> finally.
[12:56] <jesper> linuxboy: gparted is the same tool
[12:56] <linuxboy> jesper: according to the site, they cant resize it...
[12:56] <techn9ne> what happened to spatial viewing in hoary? sometimes it opens in new windows, sometimes not.
[12:56] <ryman> fissy, the computer at the library use IE and I'm sure its going to work
[12:57] <t31> zendog, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw
[12:57] <jesper> linuxboy: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html
[12:57] <jesper> linuxboy: it is supported
[12:57] <tisaak> i know it worked, because i never used sudo anyway, and it was only normal for me to use su to change to root and it worked
[12:57] <ryman> I just don't know how to configue VNC to let the user to see it by web browser
[12:57] <zendog> t31, wazzup bro? :)
[12:57] <loren> chiddy: can you install Kubuntu from Hoary Hedgehog CDs?
[12:57] <dcraven> tisaak, you're losin' it :) You can set a root password though if you prefer.
[12:57] <linuxboy> jesper: is qtparted a front end?
[12:57] <tott> help!
[12:57] <Luke1> hi.  man, it's hopping in here!
[12:57] <Arnia> techn9ne: Its spatial, it just cleans up after itself too :)
[12:57] <djm62> ryman: you need to direct the browser to htp
[12:57] <jesper> linuxboy: qtparted is a "qt" frontend for GNU parted
[12:58] <SpaceNuts> why can I only see 1 resolution and 1 frequency in the change screen res. dialog
[12:58] <linuxboy> jesper: kewl, ill look at GNU parted
[12:58] <djm62> ryman, http://your.ip.address.org:7001 (or whatever port)
[12:58] <whiskers> djm62, not really...i have a win98 machine and i constantly experiment with linux/hurd/freedos
[12:58] <ryman> ic
[12:58] <Arnia> loren: Yes. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop after installing
[12:58] <jesper> linuxboy: just use qtparted og gparted .. same features.
[12:58] <fissy> ryman, http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/javavncviewer.html
[12:58] <ryman> djm62, thanks
[12:58] <ryman> fissy, thanks
[12:58] <t31> zendog, their puta's mother! this is a bus in rush hour
[12:58] <DCBA> anyone know a ubuntu compatible package for gftpprod (a gnome frontend for proftpd)?
[12:58] <Luke1> is Warty = v4.x, and Hoary = v5.x?  or is there a better differentiation between the two?
[12:58] <josip> where can I see what is Hoary powered with ?
[12:58] <djm62> whiskers, I meant experience of GNU/Linux users ;)
[12:58] <whiskers> djm62, what bothers me is these people at ZDnet that are bought and paid for slick talkers that will say anything to earn their paychecks.
[12:58] <loren> Arnia: thank you, perfect so yeah... perfect
[12:58] <Arnia> Hackmo: I'm not quite sure how to fix this. Does it mount other CDs/DVDs ok?
[12:58] <jesper> linuxboy: parted doesn't come with a graphical frontend.
[12:58] <chiddy> loren: after everything is installed open up syaptic and install the kubuntu-desktop package and that should take care of it, but you will have both KDE and Gnome then...
[12:58] <linuxboy> jesper: i dont mind...
[12:59] <loren> chiddy: hmmmh lol
[12:59] <jesper> linuxboy: Ok..  good luck :-)
[12:59] <loren> maby i should cancel those orders then
[12:59] <Arnia> loren: And you may wish to try using Ubuntu's official desktop
[12:59] <SpaceNuts> I only get 1 resolution in screen change dialog, althoug xorg.conf is setup correctly
[12:59] <tisaak> djm62, i'm confused ^_^ lol
[12:59] <tott> anyone got time to help me?
[12:59] <thaswiftness> anyone know how to update the nvidia drivers in ubuntu ?
[12:59] <tisaak> maybe i'm having slackware flashbacks
[12:59] <dcraven> tott, did you ask already?
[12:59] <SpaceNuts> tott: what is the matter?
[12:59] <Hackmo> Arnia: This has happened before, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
[12:59] <chiddy> loren, if you wnat just KDE, you can either go uninstalling Gnome or just grab the Kubuntu CDs from here: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/
[12:59] <Hackmo> Arnia: other cd/dvd's are ok though yeah
[12:59] <zendog> t31, yep, and today is the special day, u know... it's full to max here, hehe, nice, ubuntu goes well...
[01:00] <djm62> whiskers, I agree, the Free Software Ogre is exaggerated by some, for whatever reason
[01:00] <linuxboy> jesper: or ill use this... which has all those... http://www.sysresccd.org/
[01:00] <DCBA> theres no ubuntu package for gftpprod?
[01:00] <loren> Arnia: yeah, hmmh, yeah might as well do that, i'll have my friend in australia get the cd coz he has dialup
[01:00] <Hackmo> arnia: what does the red "stop sign" in the information bit of nautilus mean?
[01:00] <Arnia> Hackmo: Try posting to project-utopia's mailing lists cos it sounds like HAL being confused
[01:00] <t31> zendog, hehe i hope will go on like this but with more mirrors xD
[01:00] <Arnia> Hackmo: what do you mean by information bit?
[01:01] <jesper> linuxboy: or just a Ubuntu livecd .. should be able to do the same.
[01:01] <zendog> t31, XD
[01:01] <linuxboy> jesper: ill check it out, i dont wanna break my partition... :)
[01:01] <t31> zendog, xD o/
[01:01] <djm62> personally I like the new RealPlayer, and I'll use flashplugin until there's some decent SVG content
[01:01] <Hackmo> Arnia: ok will do, to the left of the nautilus window just under where it says "address" in the address bar there is a grey rectangle that says information
[01:01] <loren> djm62: the new realplayer? RealPlayer10?
[01:02] <Arnia> Hackmo: You're using browser mode?
[01:02] <dcraven> djm62, nothing like some nice spyware eh?
[01:02] <DCBA> lol
[01:02] <djm62> dcraven, is it?
[01:02] <Hackmo> Arnia: I'm not completely sure what you mean by browser mode?
[01:02] <exca> Anyone knows if the apache2 package is fine? Installed it via apt-get - now I've got a pretty apache2ctl but no apache ;)
[01:02] <dcraven> djm62, I dunno about now, but apparently it was.
[01:02] <zendog> t31, ubuntu's destiny is success!
[01:02] <dcraven> exca, apache2 worked fine.
[01:02] <tisaak> how can i install mc?
[01:02] <gaio> any user with extigy soundcard?
[01:03] <Arnia> Hackmo: One window... no memory of where on the desktop it is put
[01:03] <dcraven> tisaak, apt-get install mc
[01:03] <Antioch> Is it just me, or is the download page timing out?
[01:03] <Hackmo> Arnia: yeah, just one window
[01:03] <t31> zendog, will it kill debian?
[01:03] <loren> Next Tuesday, non-profit organizations and Open Source experts and advocates in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather together in honor of "Penguin Day" 2005.
[01:03] <loren> The event aims to "demystify open source, frankly address the challenges of developing open source tools, and learn about specific promising open source applications," say event supporters.
[01:03] <tisaak> E: Couldn't find package mc
[01:03] <djm62> dcraven, realplayer10 is mostly open source (a completely open version <no rp codecs>) is available
[01:03] <loren> what the, whoops
[01:04] <exca> dcraven: That's my experience from earlier installs - I just keep asking myself what's gone wrong and I don't get the point. I checked the dependencies in synaptics and everything seems fine. Any elementary packages I could have forgot?
[01:04] <Arnia> Hackmo: I shed browser mode a long time ago so I've forgotten its affordances
[01:04] <dcraven> djm62, I was mostly just jerkin' your chain. But there's no way I'll install it on my box.
[01:04] <djm62> dcraven, I agree, the previous versions were DAWGs, but they've almost atoned
[01:04] <zendog> t31, IMHPO that is not a advantage to ubuntu... hehe, but debian needs to improve its organization, indeed.
[01:05] <Antioch> Does anyone have the torrent for Hoary final x86?
[01:05] <dcraven> exca, I would have thought apt would bring in all dependancies. Is /etc/init.d/apache2 not present on your system?
[01:05] <digale-tambien> why can't I delete /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers ?
[01:05] <t31> zendog, they are doing, after vancouver they are focusing in 4 ar
[01:06] <zendog> t31, 4 ar?
[01:06] <t31> zendog, architectures
[01:06] <digale-tambien> why can't I delete /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers ?
[01:06] <t31> zendog, focusing on, sorry ;P
[01:06] <dcraven> digale-tambien, what does it say when you try?
[01:06] <zendog> t31, ah, yes, just the escential ones...
[01:07] <digale-tambien> permission denied dcraven
[01:07] <digale-tambien> :/
[01:07] <dcraven> digale-tambien, even using sudo?
[01:07] <digale-tambien> yep, and I don't know why...
[01:07] <tiredbones> I also would like to say that the ubuntu team did a great job!!!!
[01:08] <t31> zendog, hey dude lets choose only one language Im as well in #suse.pl and my polish is not so good yet :P
[01:08] <digale-tambien> I've created a passwd for root, and I tried delenting it as real root, but I can't, it said permission denied
[01:08] <jirwin> hello
[01:08] <tisaak> do i have to add some special repository in order to install mc with synaptic?
[01:08] <dcraven> digale-tambien, that is weird.
[01:08] <zendog> t31, geez brotha, you dont wanna get smarter? XD
[01:08] <digale-tambien> dcraven yep, and I don't know how to fix it.
[01:08] <jirwin> how do I enable more resoultions? I can't go above 640x480.
[01:09] <Vjaz> tisaak: You need the universe repository.
[01:09] <dcraven> digale-tambien, are you sure that you *want* to delete that file?
[01:09] <t31> zendog, Im about a mind colapse
[01:09] <digale-tambien> jirwin dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (hoary) or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (warty)
[01:09] <dcraven> jirwin, are you the same guy as "newuser" earlier?
[01:09] <tiredbones> digale-tambien: it's probably because your using it.
[01:09] <zendog> t31, XD, ok
[01:09] <t31> zendog, poor dogs dude
[01:10] <jirwin> dcraven, nope
[01:10] <digale-tambien> dcraven yep, and when I'm uninstalling gdm, the proccesse (as root) can't delete those files...
[01:10] <digale-tambien> me too, I can't-
[01:10] <dcraven> jirwin, hmm.. Someone had the same problem like 1 hour ago, and I don't think it was solved. Is your card an i810?
[01:11] <dcraven> digale-tambien, have you tried this with X not running?
[01:11] <zendog> t31, XD HAHAHAHA, that's just my friends personal opinion, not mine, LOL.
[01:12] <digale-tambien> dcraven yep
[01:12] <digale-tambien> :/
[01:12] <dcraven> digale-tambien, okay that's just whacked.
[01:12] <Xylene> is there a default root password in ubuntu? i was never asked to set one..
[01:12] <merriam> loren: "i'll have my friend in australia get the cd coz he has dialup"  unmetered dial-up?
[01:12] <digale-tambien> dcraven ok :(
[01:12] <Flonne> No, Xylene. root is disabled by default.
[01:12] <dcraven> Xylene, 	http://tinyurl.com/5jash
[01:12] <tisaak> dcraven, do i need to add a repository to install mc?
[01:12] <dcraven> tisaak, lemme check.
[01:12] <libben> Im trying to figure out on how to enable HYPERTHREADING on my mobo... cause i cant find a way unless its called something mumbo jumbo =) my cpu has it.... is it enabled only in cpu and thats enough?
[01:12] <netsniper> Flonne, it worked man!
[01:13] <Xylene> thanks. though that seems dead for me. anyone have a mirror?
[01:13] <Flonne> :)
[01:13] <netsniper> Flonne, go private!
[01:13] <dle> hi.  I'm trying to use Synaptic to upgrade to hoary.  Doing Edit->Add CD-ROM... doesn't work as it always looks for it with /cdrom as moiunt point. Any suggestions?
[01:13] <Flonne> Glad to help.
[01:13] <dcraven> tisaak, yeah it's in universe or multiverse. You have those added?
[01:13] <merriam> loren: dial-up will probably be much quicker than ordering.  http://technophobe.net/downloading_and_burning_a_CD.html
[01:13] <libben> anyone knows?
[01:13] <libben> Im trying to figure out on how to enable HYPERTHREADING on my mobo... cause i cant find a way unless its called something mumbo jumbo =) my cpu has it.... is it enabled only in cpu and thats enough?
[01:14] <tisaak> dcraven, no, i'm a completely new ubuntu user
[01:14] <tisaak> dcraven, how do i add them?
[01:14] <Xylene> is there a way i can enable a root user? i'd rather use root instead of sudo
[01:14] <thaswiftness> has anyone updated their nvidia driver? if so.. how? i tried running the nvidia install but it says it cant find my kernel source and i cant seem to find a way to download it :\
[01:14] <dcraven> tisaak, http://tinyurl.com/3qv6t
[01:14] <_blue> just gotta backup mandrake and ill be on ubuntu before the end of the night....see you guys in a couple hours :)
[01:14] <Nekohayo> Xylene, you could do a sudo passwd
[01:14] <tisaak> dcraven, thx
[01:14] <spanglesontoast> it's so much easier to do sudo thou
[01:15] <dcraven> Xylene, Ubuntu uses sudo instead of su, but you can set a root password by typing "sudo password" and entering your USER password when it asks.
[01:15] <seven_six_two> _blue, i might go back to mdk
[01:15] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, u here man?
[01:15] <_blue> seven_six_two: that's your prerogative
[01:15] <_blue> i like to try new distro's
[01:15] <Flonne> Xylene, "sudo passwd"; dcraven made a typo.
[01:15] <Xylene> yeah, i figured that
[01:15] <_blue> however, i havent had ONE problem with mandrake that a quick google coudlnt resolve
[01:15] <Xylene> thanks
[01:15] <seven_six_two> _blue, me too. thats why im using ubuntu now
[01:15] <dcraven> Xylene, by default, the first user created (in the install) has root privileges if the command is preceded with sudo.
[01:16] <_blue> so if ubuntu gives me more than ZERO problems
[01:16] <_blue> im one with it
[01:16] <dcraven> Oops.. Right. Good catch Flonne .
[01:16] <_blue> :)
[01:16] <Xylene> anyone know of the 3dfx x11 driver name? i can't remember it
[01:16] <netsniper> FLONNE RULES -- everyone give him a hug for me!
[01:16] <seven_six_two> _blue, i had a problem right off the bat, but i like problems. helps me learn
[01:17] <vessuvius81> Is 5 GB enough for "/"?
[01:17] <jirwin> hello again
[01:17] <_blue> seven_six_two: problems help you learn how to fix problems
[01:17] <Flonne> More than enough, vessuvius81.
[01:17] <_blue> not how to fix problems thare are worth solvng
[01:17] <ali> hello :)
[01:17] <seven_six_two> and it works so far. my only complaint is the lack of a gnome menu editor
[01:17] <_blue> that are worth solving*
[01:17] <The_Shoe> i have an ati video card with two monitors plugged in - will this be autodetected and configured by ununtu on installation? or is it possible to configure this easily post installation?
[01:17] <jirwin> well...maybe someone could help me with my problem?
[01:17] <Flonne> vessuvius81, three gigs is more than you should need.
[01:17] <ali> I'm currently downloading the final release.. did somebody already test it ?
[01:17] <ryman> when I setup Ubuntu I have to make 2 partition ?
[01:17] <vessuvius81> cool
[01:17] <dcraven> Xylene, was that called fxmesa? Or am I thinking of something else?
[01:17] <ryman> 1 is for / and one for /home ?
[01:17] <RastaMahata> no
[01:17] <Xylene> maybe? i just remembered it anyways, tdfx
[01:17] <vessuvius81> thnx Flonne
[01:17] <RastaMahata> 1 for /, 1 for swap
[01:17] <ali> ryman> no, but it is better to do so
[01:17] <Arnia> libben: Hyperthreading is manifested by the OS thinking it has more than one processor :)
[01:17] <jirwin> I am only given one choice for a screen resolution
[01:18] <ali> ryman> you can have only a /
[01:18] <ryman> I have only a /
[01:18] <Arnia> libben: So if SMP is enabled then you should be using it
[01:18] <jirwin> 640x480
[01:18] <ryman> but someone told me that it isn't secure
[01:18] <Arnia> SMP = Symmetric Multi Processor
[01:18] <dcraven> Xylene, glide maybe?
[01:18] <libben> my CPU has HT ... but is there something to enable in BIOS also?
[01:18] <Poprocks> hey all -- how do Ubuntu & Kubuntu keep KDE & GNOME's xdg applications.menu files separate?
[01:18] <seven_six_two> lol. i have 6 partitions
[01:18] <jirwin> the confusing part to me is that it worked just fine in warty
[01:18] <dcraven> Xylene, oh. Okay.
[01:18] <roo_> libben, "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[01:18] <jirwin> i am using hoary now
[01:19] <vessuvius81> is it a bad idea to format /boot as fat32? I want to be able to copy the first 512 of it for a dual boot system, and I don't want to have to try to get it with a rescue disk
[01:19] <Riddell> Poprocks: by changing the file that's used
[01:19] <Arnia> libben: Not as far as I'm aware
[01:19] <roo_> vessuvius81, why do u need to format as vfat for dual boot?
[01:19] <libben> Oooh... friend told.... ur cpu has it... now enable it in bios... and install SMP package
[01:19] <tisaak> dcraven, thanks, it's updating the sources now. is there a gui way to add some partition mounts in the "computer" window?
[01:19] <libben> so ive been sitting and reading manuals and all kind of stuff to be able to find a way to enable it =)
[01:19] <ali> how does the final release taste ? :)
[01:20] <Poprocks> Riddell, heh, makes sense -- keep them in /etc/xdg/menus though?
[01:20] <vessuvius81> roo_ I don't need to... but I need to get the first 512 off of /boot to give to ntldr so it will load ubuntu
[01:20] <aquarius> mplayer seems to be uninstallable on my hoary machine; it depends on too-new versions of libfontconfig1 and libvorbis0a. Am I trying to load a version from a bad repository, or is this a known issue?
[01:20] <Flonne> vessuvius81, it isn't a smart idea... It should work, but permissions keep things safe, and /boot is quite important.
[01:20] <Arnia> I dunno though :) I don't think it has to be enabled at all (apart from having the OS capable of using more than one processor)
[01:20] <Arnia> Bear in mind that SMP has its pitfalls so read up about those
[01:20] <dcraven> jirwin, are there errors in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? You can find them with this command "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep \(EE\)".
[01:20] <Xeiliex> hi Flonne
[01:21] <roo_> vessuvius81, ah. so why not use Grub to load ntldr/windows?
[01:21] <jirwin> dcraven, let me check
[01:21] <Riddell> Poprocks: yep
[01:21] <Arnia> seven_six_two: Anyone using Gnome 2.10 upstream will fail to have a menu editor
[01:21] <vessuvius81> roo_ because I never found a good how-to on that... I've found one and worked one for starting with ntldr
[01:21] <vessuvius81> but if you know of a good way ;-)
[01:21] <Poprocks> Riddell, you're the best man.  Everywhere I've tried to ask this people have ignored me.  The solution was simple but I'm glad you were able to tell me.
[01:21] <aquarius> ah, forget my question. I was using unstable marillat rather than testing marillat. My fault.
[01:21] <Flonne> vessuvius81, Ubuntu will handle the Grub setup for you. :)
[01:22] <vessuvius81> no way
[01:22] <roo_> vessuvius81, its trivially easy, Ubuntu does it all automagically if u tell it to install grub.
[01:22] <jirwin> no there isn't any errors
[01:22] <Arnia> seven_six_two: Its a bug due to a necessary change, but it will be fixed in the next Gnome and until then there is a stopgap solution with various user produced menu editors
[01:22] <dle> the answer seems to have to do with apt-cdrom.
[01:22] <jirwin> dcraven, no there isn't
[01:22] <vessuvius81> haha ok.. that beats what I was doing then
[01:22] <vessuvius81> thnx guys
[01:22] <roo_> vessuvius81, yes, it does :)
[01:22] <Riddell> Poprocks: kdelibs has the patch and you can see the file in /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu
[01:22] <dcraven> tisaak, I'm not sure... I've never tried that.
[01:22] <roo_> vessuvius81, dont feel too worried about installing Grub onto the MBR either, ive done that since my linux time began  and its never caused me a problem.
[01:22] <seven_six_two> Arnia, thnx. you know of some user produced ones offhand?
[01:23] <roo_> vessuvius81, usual disclaimers apply tho :)
[01:23] <seven_six_two> i'm just using a drawer in panel for now
[01:23] <dhonn> man why does ubuntu boots so fast
[01:23] <Arnia> seven_six_two: Amaranth has done one
[01:23] <vessuvius81> yeah... its a new xp install so if it gets wiped I'm fine
[01:23] <Arnia> dhonn: Parallel process loading
[01:23] <seven_six_two> available on the web?
[01:23] <vessuvius81> will it tell me its detected the other os?
[01:23] <dhonn> its awesome
[01:23] <jirwin> dcraven, any other ideas?
[01:23] <roo_> vessuvius81, yep.
[01:24] <roo_> vessuvius81, it'll auto detect windows and Ubuntu, u dont have to do anything.
[01:24] <Arnia> seven_six_two: Yeah... and maybe apt. (menu editing isn't something I do really)
[01:24] <dhonn> Ive played with boot parallelism by hand
[01:24] <Poprocks> Riddell, oh it's with a patch?  Heh.  I'm building GNOME for a small distro that doesn't include it yet.  You Ubuntu folks seem to be pretty GNOME-savvy which is why I asked here.  The distro I'm using uses RPMs and I was thinking of just using bash to change applications.menu to gnome-applications.menu in the specfile.  But I'll take a look at that patch.  Thanks
[01:24] <dhonn> they did a good job
[01:24] <avida> yay!!!
[01:24] <McScruff> any1 used ENGAGE?
[01:24] <avida> ubuntu is the new debian
[01:24] <roo_> vessuvius81, u'll be presented with a nice grub menu
[01:24] <Xylene> are there any kernel modules loaded that are video device specific? i forget. i am a gentoo user really, trying to switch to ubuntu. my machine has onboard video and a voodoo3, ubuntu always tries to use the onboard video even though it's disabled. i got X running by editing the xorg.conf to load the right driver, but i can't get above 640x480. maybe the kernel has dri options for the s3 savage onboard or something?
[01:24] <roo_> McScruff, yes i HAVE
[01:24] <dcraven> jirwin, do you know what X11 driver your video card is using? I wonder if it's the same problem the last guy had (no solution yet).
[01:25] <vessuvius81> oh I think that's why I did the ntldr thing the first time... it only detected my old fedora install and I was too afraid to let it write the mbr without showing me more
[01:25] <idn__> hi, im using firestarter the firewall app for gnome, i keep getting TCP requests clocked for DCOM-scm and Microsoft-ds - anyone know what these are?
[01:25] <seven_six_two> Arnia, i see it in ubuntu extra rep page
[01:25] <avida> can ubuntu so remote boots with no local hard disk ?
[01:25] <McScruff> Roo : can i pm u
[01:25] <dcraven> jirwin, does the command "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep i810" produce any output?
[01:25] <Flonne> avida, conceptually, yes, but you'd probably want to use a LiveCD if you can.
[01:25] <jirwin> one sec
[01:25] <roo_> vessuvius81, try it using the install cd. if it doesnt detect, just ESC out and look at solutions. but it'll detect it; trust me :)
[01:25] <McScruff> i cant set i tup
[01:25] <jirwin> dcraven, one sec
[01:25] <dcraven> jirwin, sure.
[01:25] <roo_> join #e
[01:25] <roo_> whoops
[01:26] <roo_> McScruff, try #e -- its been yonks since i tried engage (fvwm user now)
[01:26] <jirwin> dcraven, yup
[01:26] <avida> Flonne: ah, so remote boots are still a do-it-yourself project
[01:26] <McScruff> cheers
[01:26] <jirwin> dcraven, "Driver i810"
[01:26] <dcraven> jirwin, how about "lsmod | grep 810"?
[01:26] <Flonne> avida, what exactly do you want to do?
[01:26] <dcraven> jirwin, or maybe "lsmod | grep 915"?
[01:26] <McScruff> lol @ roo's leacing message
[01:27] <jirwin> dcraven, no results there
[01:27] <roo_> McScruff, :)
[01:27] <jirwin> dcraven, 915 brought two results up
[01:27] <avida> Flonne: I have a farm of machines, no cdroms, no disks, and I want them to boot ubuntu off a boot/file server.  I'll use them to compute with all disk IO going back to the file server
[01:27] <dcraven> jirwin, hrmmm... So you have the appropriate kernel modules installed I think.
[01:27] <avida> Flonne: things like apache log parsing
[01:28] <Flonne> avida, yes, that would still be do-it-yourself. There are cluster LiveCDs, though.
[01:29] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, u here man?
[01:29] <dle> hi.  I'm trying to use Synaptic to upgrade to hoary.  Doing Edit->Add CD-ROM... doesn't work as it always looks for it with /cdrom as mount point. Any suggestions?
[01:29] <jirwin> dcraven, i was so excited for this, but my eyes are starting to bleed from the huge resolution
[01:29] <avida> Flonne: i feel an itch i'm going to scratch :)
[01:29] <[HK] -r00t-> anyone have any help for the snd-intel8x0 platform?
[01:29] <woodwizzle> Man, I was expecting more new ettiquite icons in this release :(
[01:29] <SuperQ> dle: wouldn't it be easier to just upgrade via network?
[01:29] <vessuvius81> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:29] <The_Shoe> i have an ati video card with two monitors plugged in - will this be autodetected and configured by ununtu on installation? or is it possible to configure this easily post installation?
[01:29] <samble> you gotta do some other stuff before the dist-upgrade
[01:30] <dle> SuperQ: well I already have the ISO, and I expect a network upgrade would be slower, particularly right now.
[01:30] <samble> o
[01:30] <dcraven> jirwin, we'll find an answer... I'm looking in the forum.
[01:30] <[HK] -r00t-> im running a thinkpad t41, snd-intel8x0, ive tried OSS & ALSA and im not getting sound from cd, wav, mp3, ogg, etc... any ideas?
[01:30] <dle> The_Shoe: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes near the bottom.
[01:30] <SuperQ> dle: you could always add the source by hand
[01:31] <Flonne> dle, it's a little more technical, but you could try hacking /etc/apt/sources.lst by hand to refer to the real mount point.
[01:31] <dle> SuperQ: I just did that with apt-cdrom, but Synaptic still looks at /cdrom for a mount point.
[01:31] <jirwin> dcraven, thank you so much, I am looking also
[01:31] <seven_six_two> http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[01:31] <Flonne> dle, you could try using apt-get from the command line, then remove the changes from sources.list so you can return to Synaptic.
[01:31] <SuperQ> dle: I guess the simple hack solution would be to symlink :)
[01:31] <Flonne> Or that.
[01:31] <Flonne> Symlinking is good.
[01:31] <SuperQ> dle: ln -s /media/cddir /cdrom
[01:32] <woodwizzle> Is there not an ifolder package in hoary??? :(
[01:32] <SuperQ> sudo that
[01:32] <dle> SuperQ: Yeah, I'll try that first.
[01:32] <scottj> is there a command to have ubuntu reload fstab and mount anything not mounted?
[01:32] <whiskers> there sounds like very important work going on at GNU
[01:32] <scottj> woodwizzle: nope, ifolder needs a newer version of mono than hoary has
[01:32] <whiskers> "My concern is that we run into a tragedy of the commons," Olson said. "There is this notion of quid pro quo, but if the vendor doesn't ship his software, he doesn't need to show his source code. That means a bunch of innovation is being taken out. This is an important problem for us working on the new GPL to get right."
[01:33] <avida> whiskers: that's just a quote.
[01:33] <dle> SuperQ: That worked.  Then Synaptic crashed.
[01:33] <flodine> why is ubuntu site so slow
[01:33] <aquarius> scottj: won't "mount -a" do that? Or does that unmount everything first?
[01:33] <whiskers> well i hear Eblen is considering the issue
[01:33] <AstralJava> digale-tambien: I can try. First I'd need to know why are you trying to delete them?
[01:33] <samble> heh it hit slashdot 9 hrs ago
[01:33] <SuperQ> dle: haha
[01:33] <SuperQ> dle: uhh... sorry
[01:34] <SuperQ> flodine: slashdot
[01:34] <SuperQ> flodine: most likely
[01:34] <roo_> flodine, not just slashdot, today (yesterday) is release day; lots of news/PR coverage for Ubuntu.
[01:34] <SuperQ> refresh monkies
[01:34] <samble> you can torrent the biz tho
[01:35] <samble> slashdot has the torrents on their front page
[01:35] <SuperQ> wow.. last I looked, there were over 1000 torrent seeds for x86
[01:35] <samble> yeah i got like 1200
[01:35] <flodine> anyone get mplayer working in 5.04
[01:36] <aquarius> How do I resize a window if the bottom border is of fthe screen?
[01:36] <SuperQ> flodine: i've had some trouble
[01:36] <samble> pres butan
[01:36] <SuperQ> flodine: not sure why yet
[01:37] <AstralJava> aquarius: Move it so that you can grab from one of the upper corners, maybe?
[01:37] <[HK] -r00t-> im running a thinkpad t41, snd-intel8x0, ive tried OSS & ALSA and im not getting sound from cd, wav, mp3, ogg, etc... any ideas?
[01:37] <AstralJava> Btw. did you know that Within Temptation did a killer song of your nick. :)
[01:37] <SuperQ> [HK] -r00t-: what about thinkpad volume buttons
[01:37] <roo_> flodine, which mplayer package (-386, -586..)?
[01:37] <vessuvius81> it detected roo_, Flonne ;-)
[01:37] <SuperQ> [HK] -r00t-: what does the ALSA mixer show?
[01:37] <dle> dammit, this realy isn't working.  Is there a way to use the cl apt-get, specifying to use only *one* source?
[01:37] <roo_> vessuvius81, :D
[01:37] <roo_> vessuvius81, grub++
[01:37] <flodine> anyone dude
[01:38] <[HK] -r00t-> SuperQ, what about them?
[01:38] <SuperQ> [HK] -r00t-: just things to check
[01:38] <scottj> anyone using gmailfs? I try but I'm getting fusermount: old stylemounting not supported
[01:38] <aquarius> AstralJava, grabbing from the upper corners doesn't resize, afaict. It looks like it should?
[01:38] <[HK] -r00t-> SuperQ, alsamixer shows 100%
[01:38] <SuperQ> dle: hand-edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:38] <SuperQ> dle: that's about all I would do
[01:38] <flodine> it says i need libfontconfi1 and i did that
[01:38] <aquarius> AstralJava, oh, hang on, I see why it doesn't; that window won't let itself be shrunk. Dammit.
[01:38] <dle> SuperQ: what, and just comment out the others?
[01:38] <whiskers> [HK] -r00t-, well you should be getting sound from ogg but none of the others
[01:38] <AstralJava> aquarius: Sure it should.
[01:38] <SuperQ> dle: yea..
[01:38] <SuperQ> dle: and put them back when you're done
[01:38] <vessuvius81> Juice Newton comes on as I see the grub menu come up
[01:38] <libben> ok... crimsun i just installed the 686-smp it was around 60 mb and a few deps.... how can i check if i gained anything from it... or if its supported
[01:38] <AstralJava> aquarius: That's a bigger problem then. :)
[01:38] <[HK] -r00t-> whiskers,  why not?
[01:39] <whiskers> [HK] -r00t-, have you set your alsa mixer
[01:39] <[HK] -r00t-> whiskers, yes
[01:39] <aquarius> AstralJava, yep...but not ubuntu's problem :-)
[01:39] <roo_> flodine, hmm, works fine for me.
[01:39] <[HK] -r00t-> whiskers, i reinstalled alsa from source and everything
[01:39] <avida> how long does ubuntu issue security updates for a release?
[01:39] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun worked with me on it last night
[01:40] <[HK] -r00t-> so today i re-installed to see if it would help
[01:40] <i3dmaster> My box is time problem. I've got ntp-simple, ntpdate, and ntp-server install and I did sync with ubuntu ntp server, but the time is still getting slower and slower...
[01:40] <[HK] -r00t-> and it still does not work
[01:40] <whiskers> [HK] -r00t-, well i was under the impression that as of the last few kernels...alsa is already built in...and i know the intel8x0 to work
[01:40] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, how old is your laptop?
[01:40] <dcraven> jirwin, please post the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst in www.pastebin.com.
[01:40] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, less than a year
[01:40] <kpeterson> When I make launchers to open things as the super-user, they frequently don't work.  Why is this?
[01:40] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, you worked on it last night with me
[01:40] <Flonne> whiskers, there are some rare problems with ALSA; two of my desktops actually require OSS.
[01:41] <Flonne> Yes, I did.
[01:41] <flodine> roo are you installing 386
[01:41] <whiskers> Flonne, weird
[01:41] <Flonne> I'm beginning to wonder if your problem might be related to that issue.
[01:41] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, no idea
[01:41] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, no idea, just took the default isntall
[01:41] <i3dmaster> if you do "date" command for several times, you will actually see the time sometimes going back...
[01:41] <Flonne> Yeah, quite weird.
[01:41] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, /cat/proc/version shows 386
[01:41] <whiskers> [HK] -r00t-, have you tried to cat a file to /dev/dsp
[01:41] <[HK] -r00t-> whiskers, how?
[01:42] <whiskers> man cat
[01:42] <fgx> anyone using gdesklets in hoary?
[01:42] <[HK] -r00t-> i know how to use cat
[01:42] <[HK] -r00t-> but what file
[01:42] <i3dmaster> fgx: I used it
[01:42] <Flonne> /dev/urandom is always good.
[01:42] <whiskers> [HK] -r00t-, any au file should do
[01:42] <jirwin> dcraven, one sec
[01:42] <[HK] -r00t-> whiskers, au?
[01:42] <fgx> i3dmaster, did it work correctly?
[01:42] <roo_> [HK] -r00t-,  "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp"
[01:42] <[HK] -r00t-> holy shit its working all of the sudden!
[01:42] <libben> how can i check if i gained any from 686-smp? or how can i check if it generated any error logs... and behvaing properly?
[01:42] <[HK] -r00t-> i had to chmod 777 /dev/dsp
[01:43] <[HK] -r00t-> then i had to chmod 777 /dev/dsp/*
[01:43] <idn__> what version of gtk does ubuntu hoary come with, is there a way I can find out with a command in the terminal?
[01:43] <epohs> Hello.  Having trouble getting my WiFi card to work.  [D-link dwl-g520] 
[01:43] <roo_> libben, your computer should run 4.56x faster
[01:43] <i3dmaster> fgx: so far I did not see any problem. I noticed that some of the sensors not available from the gdesklets manager, but as long as those functional one, they all look good
[01:43] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, that sounds like a permissions problem.
[01:43] <jirwin> dcraven, http://www.pastebin.com/269122
[01:44] <Flonne> Your solution is sufficient, but can you answer a few questions in PM?
[01:44] <epohs> Device Manager recognizes it, but it's not showing up in Network Config
[01:44] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, im running as root!
[01:44] <dle> I see apache2 is to be removed, but there doesn't seem to be a replacement in the to-be-installed part.  Why is that>
[01:44] <fgx> i3dmaster, cant have it working fron GUI
[01:44] <amh> Will Hoary work on an iMac G5?
[01:44] <roo_> [HK] -r00t-, bad bad man! :p
[01:44] <libben> roo_,  =) well dont feel like it =) any way to check if i gained something from it? or if its not is supported
[01:45] <[HK] -r00t-> roo_, spank me:)
[01:45] <roo_> Flonne, i hear u :/
[01:45] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, default install buddy... think its a big
[01:45] <thomas001> hi, is it possible to boostrap ubuntu within a filesystem like deboostrap does for debian?
[01:45] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, default install buddy... think its a BUG
[01:45] <roo_> epohs, pm me if u want help with wifi.
[01:45] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, were you testing audio with a user other than the one you created during the installation?
[01:45] <dcraven> jirwin, backup your /boot/grub/menu.lst... You know what I mean?
[01:46] <fgx> what does this mean? Connected to daemon in 258 microseconds.
[01:46] <fgx> Could not open desklet /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/rss-grab.
[01:46] <jirwin> dcraven, yah
[01:46] <andrewski> now that hoary's out, what's the next development branch?
[01:46] <Flonne> thomas001, check the development Wiki. The process is described.
[01:46] <InitMass> i feel that gnome is much faster now after the upgrade!
[01:46] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, no, i tried the user i created, then root
[01:46] <i3dmaster> fgx: ok do you just click the icon or from command line
[01:46] <thomas001> thx Flonne
[01:46] <jirwin> dcraven, done.
[01:46] <fgx> i3dmaster, both. same error
[01:47] <amh> Anyone know if Hoary will install ok on an Apple G5 iMac?
[01:47] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, I have no idea, then...
[01:47] <dcraven> jirwin, now in your /boot/grub/menu.lst, on line #89 in the pastebin post, make it look like this: #noaltoptions=quiet splash vga=792
[01:47] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, default install buddy... think its a BUG
[01:47] <dcraven> jirwin, basically, append the "vga=792" to that line.
[01:47] <dle> Actually, it looks like it'll remove a lot of useful things.  Why would it want to remove fetchmailconf?
[01:48] <dcraven> jirwin, then you'll need to reboot. If that fails, do you know how to edit recover and restore the old file (the one you just backed up)?
[01:48] <i3dmaster> fgx: what was the error then?
[01:48] <dcraven> jirwin, brb
[01:48] <carajean> can someone please help me quickly mount my other hard drive??
[01:48] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, how do you get the pretty grub screen instead of txt
[01:48] <carajean> thats all i need answered
[01:49] <dhonn> Hey what color is Ubuntus default mouse cursor?  I remmber at one time it was black?
[01:49] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, comment the "hiddenmenu" line in menu.lst.
[01:49] <carajean> great thanks let me get right on that
[01:49] <fgx> i3dmaster, Could not open desklet /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/rss-grab. demon is running
[01:49] <InitMass> dhonn, now it's white
[01:49] <fgx> i3dmaster, same for all gdesklets
[01:49] <carajean> anyone else can help me
[01:49] <InitMass> dhonn, i think it was black before too
[01:49] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, will i still be able to select other boot options?
[01:49] <pvh> Lately I've been getting errors when launching applications from gnome-panel
[01:50] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, yes. Everything in the list will appear on the pretty image.
[01:50] <pvh> Specifically it "Failed to fork (Unable to allocate memory)"
[01:50] <[HK] -r00t-> thx
[01:50] <McScruff> im in the engage channel , but does any1 here have any experiance for installing it
[01:51] <dhonn> Thanks InitMass, Ive changed it back to the white smooth lookign one
[01:51] <jirwin> dcraven, ok i did that, but if it fails what do I do?
[01:51] <metalkaos> i just tried installing the new release... i can not get X to start up... it says "GDM:Xserver not found : /usr/X11r6/bin/X ...."  there is no /usr/X11R6/bin/X  i dunno what to do
[01:51] <jirwin> dcraven, just restore my backup?
[01:52] <vessuvius81> 30 min install isn't bad at all
[01:52] <dcraven> jirwin, well if it fails, it may not boot... I'm trying to think of the easiest way for you to recover.
[01:52] <dcraven> jirwin, gimme a minute...
[01:52] <jirwin> dcraven, ok
[01:52] <blizah> im at get: 743...how many more?
[01:52] <libben> If i have 3,8 gb packed in 60 rars... and open it up with archive manager and i have rar installed so it will support it.... why is it telling me that my iso in the rars is smaller then the size of all the rars.... its missing 50 % of what it should be... and i couldent burn it to a dvd.... is it my program that unpacks it wrong? or corrupt files
[01:53] <roo_> libben, sounds like a borked rar file.
[01:53] <thomas001> Flonne: does it work with debian's deboostrap?
[01:53] <Cheetahfoot> where i can i find docs on how to upgrade ubuntu from warty to hoary?
[01:54] <Flonne> thomas001, I've never tried, so I can't say for certain, but probably; the apt packaging environments should be very similar.
[01:54] <dcraven> jirwin, okay, you notice when Ubuntu first starts and it says "Starting grub... Press ESC for menu"? Or something to that effect?
[01:54] <thomas001> hmm i'll have to try
[01:54] <jirwin> dcraven, yes
[01:54] <chiddy> Cheetahfoot, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all instances of warty to hoary; sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should do it
[01:55] <InitMass> dhonn, but i think it was black before
[01:55] <InitMass> dhonn, i hope u understood be correctly
[01:55] <dhonn> yea it was for a sec
[01:55] <monteiro> i installed the ubuntu preview from the website and it is supposed that the updates of the final version were in the repositories, but i still have the gnome 2.10.1, anyone knows anything about it ?
[01:55] <libben> how to get totem to play vob files?
[01:55] <dhonn> i had to download the real one
[01:55] <Xylene> is anyone here that can and will help me get my voodoo3 working higher than 640x480?
[01:55] <vessuvius81> Cheetah, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[01:55] <metalkaos> xserver won't start can someone help?
[01:55] <NeoCicak> i believe vlc player allows that :)
[01:55] <dhonn> Cheetah, http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#upgradewartytohoary
[01:55] <Cheetahfoot> chiddy: thanks!
[01:56] <dhonn> lol
[01:56] <whiskers> has anybody tested e2defrag with this ext3 on hoary
[01:56] <NeoCicak> e2defrag?? do you need to defrag linux partition?????
[01:56] <monteiro> how can i upgrade to the final version of hoary having the hoary preview ? , it is not available in synaptic :(
[01:56] <chiddy> if anyone in here has done a fresh install of Ubuntu Hoary, could you please go to the System menu at the top and then choose About Gnome and tell me what your version of Gnome is??????
[01:56] <dcraven> jirwin, okay, well it fails to boot properly, then reset your machine. Then when you see that message above, press ESC. You will be presented with a list of options that you can up/down arrow through (probably 3 options). Choose the one that says (Recover Mode) and press enter. That'll get you to a point where you can easily restore your old menu.lst file. It'll probably work though, I just don't want you stuck :)
[01:56] <jdub> monteiro: just upgrade the packages
[01:56] <dhonn> i just noticed ubuntu now owns ubuntu.com wow
[01:57] <dcraven> jirwin, let me know if you understand that.
[01:57] <jirwin> dcraven, alright great
[01:57] <whiskers> NeoCicak, well lots of people are ripping dvd's to theora and stuff so defrag is important to them
[01:57] <jirwin> dcraven, be right back
[01:57] <dcraven> jirwin, please return here to tell me if it worked okay?
[01:57] <dcraven> Okay
[01:57] <dcraven> hel
[01:57] <dcraven> err..heh
[01:57] <whiskers> NeoCicak, but i am just wondering if e2defrag works
[01:57] <NeoCicak> whiskers: defrag as in defragment??
[01:57] <NeoCicak> what's theora by the way...
[01:57] <whiskers> NeoCicak, well of course...win98 has a defrag...why shouldn't GNU/Linux
[01:58] <Arcane> ... Can I access my Windows Partitions off the Live CD?
[01:58] <njan> whiskers, because it doesn't write to disk in such an ugly, inefficient manner.
[01:58] <whiskers> NeoCicak, I am not going to get into all that...the less you know the better.
[01:58] <monteiro> jdub : i did that, but when i click "about gnome" it says that i still have gnome 2.10.1 , the repositories have changed or something ?
[01:58] <NeoCicak> whiskers: coz i heard from many people that you don't need to defrag linux partition...
[01:58] <mdke> hi dudes. Is anyone else getting the gnome splash screen remaining on their desktop? Does anyone know how to resolve this problem?
[01:58] <whiskers> NeoCicak, hey if that was true...why is defrag in synaptic
[01:58] <mdke> NeoCicak, it sometimes gets fragmented but not as often afaik
[01:58] <jdub> monteiro: what do you mean "still"? that is correct
[01:59] <NeoCicak> ah ok....
[01:59] <Arcane> And, um, if a USB modem is detected, is there any way to install the firmware from a Windows Partition?
[01:59] <Flonne> NeoCicak, the writing algorithms are very good at avoiding fragmentation.
[01:59] <Arcane> The USB modem is detected.
[01:59] <chiddy> if anyone in here has done a fresh install of Ubuntu Hoary, could you please go to the System menu at the top and then choose About Gnome and tell me what your version of Gnome is?????? -- come on, i've been asking since morning, somebody in here has to have a fresh install
[01:59] <NeoCicak> ic ic...
[01:59] <AstralJava> pvh: When you said you're running things fine from command line, have you started gnome at that point?
[01:59] <dhonn> 2.10.0
[01:59] <chiddy> thank you :)
[01:59] <libben> should i remove my old kernels? -386 and so on ? And yes... i wanna clean it out if i aint use them.... i dont want to much files that never get used laying around.... how do i do it?
[01:59] <chiddy> now, wasn't it supposed to have 2.10.1???
[01:59] <Flonne> NeoCicak, if you were to fill up your entire drive, fragmentation would occur, but over time, it would correct itself.
[02:00] <dhonn> 2.10.1 is out now?
[02:00] <NeoCicak> ok...
[02:00] <mdke> chiddy, bits of it i believe
[02:00] <jirwin> dcraven, no change.
[02:00] <jirwin> dcraven, :(
[02:00] <chiddy> i thought that was why the release was delayed
[02:00] <NeoCicak> thx..
[02:00] <mdke> hi dudes. Is anyone else getting the gnome splash screen remaining on their desktop? Does anyone know how to resolve this problem?
[02:00] <dcraven> jirwin, crap!
[02:00] <chiddy> mdke: i see, thanks, its been bothering me all day
[02:00] <dcraven> jirwin, but it booted eh? Whew.
[02:00] <metalkaos> can anyone help me ... X will not start up
[02:01] <jirwin> dcraven, it did boot
[02:01] <Burgundavia> totem seems to think that a dvd is streaming
[02:01] <jdub> dhonn: no
[02:01] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: wrong xorg setting most likely
[02:01] <Burgundavia> anybody else see this?
[02:01] <pvh> AstralJava: yes, if i pop a gnome-terminal all is well
[02:01] <monteiro> jdub : still , that i have gnome 2.10.0 and not 2.10.1 like the final version
[02:01] <pvh> AstralJava: it's just using the shortcut icons that causes me grief
[02:01] <Arcane> Anyone? :\ USB modem firmware and accessing Windows partitions?
[02:01] <metalkaos> neocicak:  k... where can i fix that?
[02:01] <jdub> monteiro: that's correct
[02:01] <dcraven> jirwin, okay... I think I made a silly.
[02:02] <mdke> jdub, know anything about this splash screen problem?
[02:02] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:02] <jirwin> dcraven, well no more sillies ok?
[02:02] <pvh> AstralJava: gnome-panel's only eating 51mb of residen memory according to top, so i doubt it's some kind of crazy leak
[02:02] <metalkaos> neocicak: but the error i am getting is that /usr/bin/X11/X doesn't exist
[02:02] <dcraven> jirwin, try appending "vga=792" on the line marked #107 at http://www.pastebin.com/269122
[02:02] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: try configuring using xorgconfig / xorgcfg... dunno which one..
[02:03] <jirwin> dcraven, what would the line look like after that?
[02:03] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: then prolly your installation is not complete...
[02:03] <dcraven> jirwin, hehe.. I think what we did before had no effect at all....heh
[02:03] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: eh wait.. that's a symlink actually
[02:03] <dcraven> jirwin, kernel        /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash vga=792
[02:04] <metalkaos> neocicak:  i just installed this from the new release
[02:04] <dcraven> jirwin, same recovery technique :)
[02:04] <Burgundavia> can someone confirm something for me?
[02:04] <monteiro> jdub : correct ? how ?
[02:04] <jirwin> dcraven, should I remove the old vga=792?
[02:04] <metalkaos> neocicak: this is my first time with debian... i tried to do a apt-get dist-upgrade to make sure everythin was installed and it says it is
[02:04] <monteiro> jdub : i shoudn't have gnome 2.10.1 on my version ?
[02:04] <AstralJava> pvh: Alrighty then, just thinking. I didn't have any real solution either way, I was just interested. :)
[02:04] <dhonn> does Ubuntu server install optimized for server usage?
[02:04] <dhonn> is it the same kernel as Ubuntu desktop install?
[02:04] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: ummm. i have no idea.. i don't have the new release.. i just did apt-get dist-upgrade to get to hoary
[02:04] <Arcane> And are USB Modems PPPoE or whatever the abbreviation is? I apologize for my ubern00bism.
[02:04] <Flonne> dhonn, it's the same thing, but with far fewer packages.
[02:04] <dcraven> jirwin, the one we just added before? Uhm.. If this works, then you'll want to leave it there too.
[02:04] <metalkaos> neocicak: iis there a way to force it to reinstall X?
[02:05] <dhonn> ok cool im going to replace my samba server
[02:05] <chiddy> Burgundavia, what do you need confirmed?
[02:05] <dhonn> i need the desktop too
[02:05] <jirwin> dcraven, ok I will be right back
[02:05] <amh> Anyone know if Hoary will install ok on an Apple G5 iMac?
[02:05] <libben> any tutorial on how to get a picture on grub menu?
[02:05] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: what if you try apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:05] <libben> want something slick there
[02:05] <dcraven> jirwin, if this works, then the original one we added will make Ubuntu add that option to the appropriate line next time you get a new kernel.
[02:05] <InitMass> i have to ask if anyone with a relatively new computer will notice any speed advantages of using fluxbox instead of gnome??
[02:05] <kkathman> I have a .py file that I am assuming needs to be "compiled" to a .pyc file for me to change a theme. Does anyone know what I need to install to do this?
[02:05] <jirwin> dcraven, oh ok
[02:05] <metalkaos> neocicak:  did that.. nothing to install
[02:05] <dcraven> jirwin, which is good. Good luck!
[02:06] <Burgundavia> chiddy, if you have totem-gstreamer and a dvd player, can you throw a dvd in a see if it thinks it is streaming?
[02:06] <mlambie_> when does breezy get forked?
[02:07] <chiddy> Burgundavia, not entirely sure what you mean, like you want to see if it will play on your computer?
[02:07] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: try ln -s /usr/bin/X11/Xorg /usr/bin/X
[02:07] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: with sudo
[02:07] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: sorry wrong
[02:07] <scottj> Burgundavia: you need libdvdcss2 or something
[02:07] <Burgundavia> chiddy, I am trying to confirm a bug
[02:07] <Burgundavia> scottj, I realize that
[02:07] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/X11/Xorg /etc/X11/X
[02:08] <chiddy> Burgundavia, what do you think the bug is? ... by streaming, your not trying to play the DVD over your network/internet are you because thats not what GStreamer means..
[02:09] <thomas001> are there archive.ubuntulinux.org mirrors?
[02:09] <McQuaid> basic question but can't find it on the site's documentation.  how much space does the install take?
[02:09] <idn__> does anyone know what DCOM-scm is, it keeps getting block on my fire wall by firetstarter
[02:09] <McQuaid> are there minimal install options (like say for ex. I don't want open office and other junk)
[02:09] <NeoCicak> this is a silly question.. has anyone managed to play diablo2 on ubuntu :P
[02:09] <mlambie_> when does breezy get forked?
[02:09] <NeoCicak> has anyone ever installed wine on ubuntu?
[02:09] <Flonne> McQuaid, Server install.
[02:09] <Arcane> I have the same question as McQuaid, along with wondering what the best way to dualboot it with 9x is.
[02:09] <metalkaos> neocicak: nope it says it is looking for /usr/bin/X11/X
[02:09] <merriam> McQuaid: there's a server boot option
[02:09] <Arcane> Or a different question. I mean on HD.
[02:09] <Flonne> Nothing except the core base system. (That excludes Gnome and stuff)
[02:10] <kkathman> hmm I guess no python people around :)
[02:10] <scottj> Burgundavia: oh, sorry, I didn't see the chiddy, and I thought you were asking a general question. I thought it was weird because you normally know everything :)
[02:10] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/X11/Xorg /etc/X11/X
[02:10] <moeru> whee
[02:10] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: that doesn't work?
[02:10] <Flonne> What was your question, kkathman?
[02:10] <Burgundavia> scottj, I always try and confirm my bugs before I file
[02:10] <McQuaid> ok and i usually update the mbr from my current debian install, can i skip the grub part in the install?
[02:10] <whiskers> man those synaptic guys did not forget anything.....the gnome guys have dvdrip to go with the kde katiuska
[02:10] <jirwin> dcraven, to no avail
[02:10] <dcraven> jirwin, damn!
[02:10] <Burgundavia> chiddy, I mean that totem-gstreamer will not allow me to go to specific place in the dvd
[02:10] <jirwin> dcraven, it booted, but it said I passed an undefined mode
[02:10] <metalkaos> neocicak: no it does not
[02:10] <whiskers> unreal
[02:10] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: the first message that i sent is wrong... then i corrected it.. you prolly didn't see it....
[02:10] <dcraven> jirwin, hmmm.
[02:10] <kkathman> Flonne, Ive got a .py file that I can tweak for a theme, but I'm assuming that I need to get that to a .pyc file.  What do I need to install to do this?
[02:11] <chiddy> Burgundavia, i have no idea then.. i only tried dvd playback once and i use xine now anyway :)
[02:11] <Burgundavia> chiddy, ok, thanks
[02:11] <NeoCicak> but i don't have /usr/bin/X anywhere in that command.. are you sure you typed it correctly?
[02:11] <dcraven> jirwin, well you might as well restore your original menu.lst...
[02:11] <jirwin> dcraven, ok
[02:11] <metalkaos> yes... i did... ln -s /usr/bin/X11/Xorg /etc/X11/X
[02:11] <Flonne> kkathman, .pyc files are generated automatically when a .py file is loaded as a module; they aren't special.
[02:11] <whiskers> but at least fortunately dvdrip is not installed
[02:12] <McQuaid> and if i choose the desktop install how big is that?
[02:12] <kkathman> Flonne...ah ok,,, hmm I am trying to adjust a karamba theme
[02:12] <McQuaid> just curious waht space i'll need if i choose desktop install
[02:12] <Flonne> McQuaid, ~1.8 GB is what most people claim.
[02:12] <jirwin> dcraven, any other ideas?
[02:12] <whiskers> about the only thing synaptic forgot was cupid or the old gst-recorder
[02:12] <metalkaos> neocicak: here is the error "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/init/xerverrd: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: no such file or directry"
[02:12] <McQuaid> thx
[02:12] <dcraven> jirwin, I'm lookin' :)
[02:12] <metalkaos> neocicak: that is what i get when i type startx
[02:12] <whiskers> for people ripping all the cable tv stuff
[02:12] <dle> aye-aye-aye!  This upgrade is less than smooth,
[02:13] <Flonne> kkathman, I'm a gDesklets guy, so I can't really help you hack. Sorry. :(
[02:13] <kkathman> Flonne, thank you very much I appreciate the info :)
[02:13] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: where does your /etc/X11/X point to?
[02:13] <kkathman> Flonne, yah..Im a PHP guy myself.
[02:13] <Flonne> Ah... I'm pro-Python for everything.
[02:13] <Flonne> Even mod_python.
[02:13] <andrewski> Flonne: ! :)
[02:14] <chiddy> I'm pro-ice-cream for everything.. ice cream tastes good :)
[02:14] <Flonne> Ice cream does taste good.
[02:14] <metalkaos> neocicak: ls -la /etc/X11/X    shows me that  it points to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[02:14] <whiskers> those guys in Hungary that only believe in non-free get all the breaks
[02:14] <virtuald> python tastes bad
[02:14] <chains_> kinda touhg and stringy
[02:14] <dcraven> jirwin, open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and tell me what the "DefaultDepth" value is set at.
[02:14] <whiskers> i mean that only believe in free
[02:14] <chiddy> pythons can kill you, damn it virtuald take it out of your mouth :(
[02:15] <virtuald> chiddy: :(
[02:15] <dcraven> jirwin, I got to move to another room in my house.. Bear with me a minute.
[02:15] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: umm. sorry..  i guess this is beyond my expertise...
[02:15] <chiddy> :)
[02:15] <virtuald> B] 
[02:15] <jirwin> dcraven, DefaultDepth is 24
[02:16] <metalkaos> neocicak: what should i do? i just trashed my gentoo install to try this out
[02:16] <metalkaos> neocicak: it looked so pretty
[02:16] <NeoCicak> neocicak: ur gentoo?? or ubuntu?
[02:17] <metalkaos> neocicak:  ubuntu.. i ran it from the livecd and decided i liked it enough to give it a try
[02:17] <libben> is Evolution good as email client. or is something else to prefer?
[02:17] <metalkaos> libben: i love evolution.. and it works great with exchange
[02:17] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: yeah.. i love ubuntu..
[02:17] <t8x> may i ask something  ? which www server to chose for system with 32Mb of Ram ? and if it is apache which version ? 1.3 ? 2 or 2.1 ?
[02:17] <libben> exchange?
[02:17] <moeru> blah..gotta install Captive NTFS
[02:17] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: is re-installing not an option?
[02:17] <metalkaos> neocicak: i would be loving it more if i could get it to work
[02:17] <libben> I just wanna check my gmail =)
[02:17] <metalkaos> libben: Microsoft Exchange mail server....
[02:18] <McQuaid> can i skip the mbr part of the install?
[02:18] <metalkaos> libben: it is a great mail client
[02:18] <McQuaid> i feel better doing it myslef from my other distro
[02:18] <dcraven> jirwin, well can you backup that file, then change the DefaultDepth to 16?
[02:18] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: yeah...... i would prefer to try to fix it before re-installing... but ihave no idea how to fix that...
[02:18] <metalkaos> neocicak:  no i can reinstall... but i like to fix things first
[02:18] <jirwin> dcraven, sure
[02:18] <LazySod> screw u guys, i'm going home!
[02:18] <NeoCicak> metalkaos; prolly someone else here knows the solution.
[02:19] <metalkaos> anyone help with an xerver issues
[02:19] <metalkaos> neocicak: thanks for trying
[02:19] <jirwin> dcraven, done
[02:19] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: pleasure
[02:19] <dcraven> Someone offend LazySod?
[02:20] <metalkaos> neocicak: is there a way to force it to reinstall everything?   i know with emerge i can.. i dunno about apt-get
[02:20] <Bicchi> installation question: Should i create a swap partition even if i have 1GB or ram? and how big should it be.
[02:20] <dcraven> jirwin, okay. Now logout of GNOME and when you get asked to login at the pretty login screen, press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to restart X.
[02:20] <SysFail> I have 512 and havent touched my swap
[02:20] <SuperQ> Bicchi: yes, 1GB
[02:20] <jirwin> Bicchi, I would...probably 2Gb
[02:20] <dcraven> jirwin,
[02:20] <SuperQ> haha
[02:20] <chiddy> Bicchi, i have a gig of ram and a 1 gig swap
[02:20] <kakalto> I didn't realise that the trash can was kept in ~\
[02:20] <SuperQ> 3 totaly different answers
[02:20] <kakalto> err... ~/
[02:21] <chiddy> Bicchi, suse used to use the swap all the time in KDE but Gnome/Ubuntu never touches it
[02:21] <kakalto> exactly where is trash kept?
[02:21] <dcraven> jirwin, if X doesn't start, (it will but I still want to be safe), you can login at a console (no X) and restore that file again, then reboot.
[02:21] <dcraven> jirwin, understand?
[02:21] <jirwin> dcraven, yes
[02:21] <Bicchi> i guess i will go with 1 gb
[02:21] <whiskers> those guys in Hungary get all the breaks and benefits of free software/content/programs/data/etc....kind of makes you envious
[02:21] <SuperQ> kakalto: ~/.Trash/
[02:21] <SuperQ> kakalto: I belive
[02:21] <kakalto> okie
[02:21] <kakalto> thanks
[02:21] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: i don't know if apt-get allows that... but dpkg does... and i think it's a slightly more complicated thing that i rarely do it.. i just did it to force reinstall one package , not updating entire system.
[02:21] <dcraven> jirwin, cool.
[02:22] <kakalto> silly me, not emptying trash before copying my whole ~/
[02:22] <metalkaos> neocicak: if i could force it to do x.. that might help..
[02:23] <phoenixp3k> hello, can someone give me some info on that command, or if it even exists? export SETUP_CDROM
[02:23] <whiskers> i guess that is why they also get to use gstreamer-mad
[02:23] <jirwin> dcraven, ok, but no change
[02:23] <whiskers> or libmad
[02:23] <dcraven> jirwin, no way...
[02:23] <NeoCicak> metalkaos:; i'm not sure which package to reinstall though.. for X
[02:23] <Flonne> phoenixp3k, why are you interested in that variable?
[02:24] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: try dpkg --force-help
[02:24] <metalkaos> neocicak: iam going with apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg
[02:24] <jirwin> dcraven, see what I don't understand, is that in xorg.conf, it shows all of the available modes
[02:24] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: maybe xorg-server.. somebody here should know better than me..
[02:24] <whiskers> they get all the good stuff and benefits of free software...whereas in the US we can't even install them
[02:25] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: that sounds right.. xserver-org...
[02:25] <rob^> hi, just a quick one, what version of Gnome does the current version of ubuntu have/
[02:25] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: umm........ better check with people first.. i'm not sure if it's ok to issue that command
[02:25] <metalkaos> neoccicak:   it sort of started and died... now i am i getting somewhere
[02:25] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: but to me it sounds ok
[02:25] <dcraven> jirwin, well I think it may be a problem of Xorg not supporting your video chip as well as Xfree did. Did you use Warty before?
[02:25] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: ummm.. no idea...
[02:25] <jirwin> dcraven, i sure did
[02:26] <jirwin> dcraven, it worked great
[02:26] <phoenixp3k> Flonne, I have an installer that is looking for my cd
[02:26] <moeru> Hmm..
[02:26] <metalkaos> neocicak:  i know have erros i can deal with
[02:26] <moeru> what's the package name for captive NTFS
[02:26] <moeru> I added http://www.kruyt.org/debian to my sources list
[02:26] <phoenixp3k> Flonne, but it looks for the cd in the wrong place. I'm reading a help file on it, but that command doesn't work
[02:26] <dcraven> jirwin, that's what I thought... I hoped that a lower depth 16 would work. I'm still lookin'... Hang in there.
[02:26] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: errors u can deal with?
[02:26] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys, you got a recommendation for a good wireless router?
[02:26] <Flonne> phoenixp3k, PM?
[02:27] <joh_> Where can I find the install documentation?
[02:27] <metalkaos> neocicak: ones that make sense that i know i can fix
[02:27] <joh_> or known bugs
[02:27] <PacoBCN> [Phaedrus] , I can only recommend you not to buy the one I have :)
[02:27] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: try removing xserver-xorg first.. or have you solve your problem??
[02:27] <vegetax> hello , i wonder how apropiate is ubuntu for a server
[02:27] <[Phaedrus] > which one is that PacoBCN?
[02:28] <ky0nce> Phaedrus: Happy with my linksys WRT54G
[02:28] <vegetax> with all those bleeding edge packages
[02:28] <PacoBCN> [Phaedrus] , d-link
[02:28] <chiddy> [Phaedrus] , all i can say is stay away from Linksys if you can and there is some sort of new standard coming out called 802.11n you might want to wait for
[02:28] <moeru> ah ha's...captive-static
[02:28] <SuperQ> yea
[02:28] <whiskers> ky0nce, on that router you better check for firmware updates...i had to install several
[02:28] <SuperQ> moeru: I had problems with captive-static
[02:28] <moeru> oh?
[02:28] <SuperQ> moeru: basicaly, it turns out you still need to do a one-line kernel patch
[02:28] <[Phaedrus] > hmm... thanks PacoBCN and you too chiddy
[02:29] <moeru> >_< damn
[02:29] <ky0nce> whiskers: running Svensoft Alchemy atm
[02:29] <phoenixp3k> Flonne, PM what's that? How can I make a symbolic link in my /mnt/
[02:29] <moeru> and I've got 0 clue how =p
[02:29] <SuperQ> moeru: it's not terribly hard
[02:29] <metalkaos> neocicak:  yes problem solved... thanks... just forced a reinstall of xserver and it works
[02:29] <whiskers> Alchemy ...what an interesting concetp
[02:29] <whiskers> concept
[02:29] <SuperQ> moeru: but it requires you spend the time to download kernel source and build it
[02:29] <NeoCicak> metalkaos: great!
[02:29] <moeru> ahh
[02:29] <etzerd> Hello room
[02:30] <whiskers> i remember the chemists used to try turning peanut butter into diamonds with alchemy....but it was the physicists who finally did it
[02:30] <ky0nce> also tried openwrt and worked fine
[02:30] <ky0nce> Hehe
[02:30] <Dre> is the upgrade available now?
[02:30] <SysFail> dont know Dre
[02:30] <SuperQ> moeru: heh, yea.. NTFS is a pain
[02:31] <SysFail> I htink im on it though
[02:31] <SysFail> heh
[02:31] <SuperQ> moeru: http://www.badri.us/export_kpi.diff
[02:31] <libben> how do i get Evolution to sync with gmail account... ive sent a mail after i setted it up... to myself.. and i can see the mess in gmail account from firefox... but evolution wont show it,..
[02:31] <moeru> It is =( all my music\movies are on those rives too
[02:31] <SuperQ> moeru: it's not much, but it causes the captive driver to fail if you don't have that patch
[02:31] <moeru> k
[02:31] <Dre> SysFail : i'm downloading it now
[02:31] <SuperQ> moeru: oh... you can mount read-only
[02:31] <joh_> The Ubuntu Hoary installer did not recognize my CD, is this a known error?
[02:31] <metalkaos> libben: did you set  Evolution up to pop the mail from gmail?
[02:31] <whiskers> but the costs of physicists turning say lead into gold is prohibitive
[02:31] <SuperQ> moeru: linux NTFS read-only is just dandy
[02:31] <SuperQ> tdavis!
[02:32] <jirwin> dcraven, any luck?
[02:32] <libben> metalkaos, yes
[02:32] <moeru> I can live with read-only for now
[02:32] <Antioch> joh_ can you check gmail from evolution?
[02:32] <ky0nce> busy installing ubuntu on IBM R40. Anyone had problems with ipw2100 wireless card?
[02:32] <Antioch> metalkaos can you check gmail from evolution?
[02:32] <dcraven> jirwin, did you install fresh or did you upgrade from Warty?
[02:32] <SuperQ> ky0nce: don't know about ipw2100, but ipw2200 works well
[02:32] <jirwin> dcraven, fresh
[02:32] <chiddy> SysFail, if you are referring to the warty-->ubuntu upgrade, just go to System > About Ubuntu and it shousl say Hoary Hedgehog if you have it
[02:32] <^thehatsrule^> you can use POP3 for gmail
[02:32] <metalkaos> Antioch:  i have never tried... gmal is perfect
[02:33] <Antioch> ^thehatsrule^ You can? I never noticed that gmail enabled POP3 services
[02:33] <SysFail> I dont have an about ubuntu
[02:33] <^thehatsrule^> long time hehe
[02:33] <nathan> hello all
[02:33] <^thehatsrule^> one of the most wanted features
[02:33] <ky0nce> installer couldn't pick up the DHCP on router through wireless. Will retry once in the gui
[02:33] <chiddy> SysFail, are you using KDE or Gnome?
[02:33] <metalkaos> antioch: they ahve beenn doing it for about 6 months
[02:33] <SysFail> kde
[02:33] <SysFail> i hate gnome
[02:33] <Antioch> ^thehatsrule^ can you point me to a URL with the relevant information?
[02:34] <cycom> so, uh, ncurses-devel. where the hell is it?
[02:34] <chiddy> SysFail, you have HOary then :) warty didn't have KDE... i hate KDE :)
[02:34] <^thehatsrule^> Antioch, check the gmail 'features'
[02:34] <Antioch> ^thehatsrule^ thanks a ton! =)
[02:34] <[Phaedrus] > is there a way in gmail, to set it up so that it doesnt go through all the SSL garbage... its taking forever to send or receive emails
[02:34] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[02:34] <black_Nightmare> any idea about support for nvidia TNT2 Pro agp cards especially the tv/out?
[02:34] <metalkaos> phaedrus:  i think you have to use ssl auth
[02:35] <moeru> is Captive supposed to auto mount for me?
[02:35] <[Phaedrus] > dang!
[02:36] <[Phaedrus] > by the way, the netgear wireless routers should  be pretty good right?
[02:36] <nathan> I'm trying to use Ubuntu to edit files that are saved in a windowns partition. Do someone known some program that I can use?
[02:36] <ky0nce> python developers... which dev tool can I use to actually step through the code while debugging? print x is getting tedious
[02:36] <dcraven> jirwin, can you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf to pastebin.com?
[02:36] <spanglesontoast> anyone know how to leech on azureus?
[02:36] <chiddy> [Phaedrus] , ya, i've had good experience with netgear wired routers, i think wireless ones should be good too
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> hm
[02:36] <spanglesontoast> I know it's not recommend
[02:36] <jirwin> dcraven, yah
[02:36] <spanglesontoast> but I just want this file
[02:37] <[Phaedrus] > i think that's what i am going to go with...
[02:37] <[Phaedrus] > unless 3com makes routers and doesnt cost a arm and a leg for it
[02:38] <ky0nce> netgear wireless also good. Proprietary extensions gives them 108MBps instead of normal 54MBps on g band
[02:38] <jirwin> dcraven, http://www.pastebin.com/269136
[02:38] <chiddy> LOL, haven't head about 3com in a while
[02:38] <T5> i would buy linksys
[02:38] <dcraven> jirwin, did you try running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" at any point to try to reconfigure?
[02:38] <Antioch> What are backports repositories?
[02:38] <jirwin> dcraven, yah, I just did the default for everything
[02:39] <[Phaedrus] > thanks for the tip ky0nce
[02:39] <chiddy> T5, every Linksys router i've bought works great for a while and then starts hanging so i gave up on them and run netgear (unfortuately i still have a wireless Linksys one i got free form my ISP)
[02:39] <mdke> Antioch, they are repositories with newer versions of software for impatient users of warty
[02:39] <black_Nightmare> noone know I guess?
[02:39] <Antioch> mdke thanks =)
[02:39] <jdub> Antioch: backports repositories are things that break your ubuntu system and stop you from sanely upgrading. ignore them. :)
[02:39] <T5> chiddy, mine works flawlessly for about one year now
[02:39] <whiskers> chiddy, there are lots of firmware patches to the Linksys routers so you have to try to keep up with their website
[02:39] <dcraven> jirwin, I see there is no HorizSync or VertRefresh values in your xorg.conf... Do you have your monitor specs nearby so we could get the appropriate values?
[02:40] <flux__> hey people, i'm kinda stuck
[02:40] <jirwin> dcraven, i don't have them, but I am sure I can find them
[02:40] <flux__> i've got a new linux install on logical partition /dev/hda8
[02:40] <T5> or one could use alternative fw like openwrt or sveasoft
[02:40] <flux__> but grub won't load
[02:40] <T5> for wireless
[02:40] <dcraven> jirwin, okay. We should get those and put them in that file regardless.
[02:40] <flux__> i'm in kanotix now, looking for help ;)
[02:40] <chiddy> T5, whiskers i have all the updates ... i know friends that use Linksys without problems, i just have a gripe with them :)
[02:40] <jirwin> dcraven, would that be it?
[02:41] <dcraven> jirwin, It could be that.
[02:41] <whiskers> chiddy, i get tired of patching the firmware all the time
[02:41] <gort_> i know this is a stupid question, but I can't find the release notes for 5.04 and I am wondering how to "upgrade" to 5.04 when I have been following hoary via apt-get for a couple of months....
[02:41] <ky0nce> sveasoft is based on opensource but refuses to release code except to paid up subscribers
[02:41] <gort_> am i already there?
[02:41] <flux__> could anyone help me with installing grub?
[02:41] <whiskers> chiddy, same thing with the HP dvd 200i
[02:41] <flux__> or lilo?
[02:41] <xvers> hey.. how do i run commands at startup?
[02:41] <dcraven> If the refresh rate is not given, it might stick you in a "safe" resolution.
[02:41] <whiskers> so many firmware patches
[02:41] <gort_> or do i need to do a apt-get dist-uprgrade
[02:41] <whiskers> same thing with the bios
[02:41] <ky0nce> got my copy from a guy on /. trying to free it up again...
[02:41] <dcraven> jirwin, otherwise your monitor will explode maybe.
[02:41] <chiddy> pathes suck
[02:41] <whiskers> on the mobo
[02:41] <jdub> gort_: just continue to upgrade.
[02:42] <whiskers> i get tired of it
[02:42] <dcraven> jirwin, If the refresh rate is not given, it might stick you in a "safe" resolution.
[02:42] <jirwin> dcraven, http://www.viewsonic.com/support/desktopdisplays/crtmonitors/e2series/e790/#specs
[02:42] <nathan> Don't you known any good program that access windowns files from Linux?
[02:42] <gort_> so i am there already jdub?
[02:42] <whiskers> why can't they make it work to begin with
[02:42] <jdub> gort_: most likely
[02:42] <SeeRSea> I love this distro
[02:42] <SeeRSea> Solid as sears
[02:42] <scottj> anyone use gmailfs?
[02:42] <ky0nce> nathan: local or over a network?
[02:42] <jirwin> dcraven, i don't know what I am looking for
[02:42] <Antioch> Does Ubuntu offer any ATI 3D acceleration?
[02:42] <jirwin> dcraven, brb
[02:42] <jdub> gort_: if you have hoary in your sources.list, have no upgrades pending, and have ubuntu-base/ubuntu-desktop packages installed, you're done.
[02:42] <gort_> jdub, thanks....
[02:42] <chiddy> SeeRSea, didn't Sears get bought by KMart
[02:42] <xvers> does anyone know how to run commands at startup?
[02:42] <nathan> ky0nce: Both. But first local
[02:42] <mdke> hi dudes. Is anyone else getting the gnome splash screen remaining on their desktop? Does anyone know how to resolve this problem?
[02:43] <mdke> xvers, startup of gnome or startup of system?
[02:43] <metalkaos> whiskers:  ummm... why didn't ubunto work right from the first release.. why do they keep releasing updates... dang... i hate updating... firmwire is same thing... the improve things over time
[02:43] <gort_> jdub. all i did after i installed warty was change my sources.list from warty to hoary
[02:43] <SeeRSea> jdub- apt-get dist-upgrade takes care of that, right?
[02:43] <xvers> mdke: system
[02:43] <jdub> SeeRSea: not necessarily
[02:43] <nullaresnata> Hello, I have xine installed and when playing the dvd (which it does wonderfully), the subtitles appear very big and off the screen.
[02:43] <nullaresnata> Any ideas how to solve this?
[02:43] <dcraven> jirwin, okay now back that file up again, /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
[02:43] <[Phaedrus] > yeah, but there is a difference when it comes to hardware updating and software...
[02:43] <xvers> mdke, system
[02:43] <dle> Get:263 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe xserver-xfree86... why did it do that?  I thought X.org was the thing in hoary?
[02:44] <[Phaedrus] > when its a solid device (like a hardware) you are supposed to toss it and plug it and it is supposed to work
[02:44] <mdke> xvers, i believe you have to write a simple script, stick it in /etc/init.d/ and then make links in /etc/rcN.d/, where N is the relevant runlevel
[02:44] <dcraven> jirwin, then after the line that says: Option "DPMS"
[02:44] <dcraven> jirwin, insert the following 2 lines..
[02:44] <kerframil> mdke: have you tried removing your "~/.gnome2/session" file from a console prior to logging in?
[02:44] <vessuvius81> if I have a wireless card that uses the ndiswrapper, do I have to recompile the kernel?
[02:44] <xvers> ok, thanks
[02:44] <mdke> while on that subject, what would it take for Ubuntu to make a local initscript
[02:44] <metalkaos> phaedrus:  you don't have to update the firmware
[02:44] <mdke> kerframil, will do
[02:44] <mdke> thanks
[02:44] <kerframil> mdke: worth a shot anyway
[02:45] <dcraven> jirwin, Line 1:  HorizSync    30-95
[02:45] <blizah> just updated warty-> hoary
[02:45] <blizah> got this.  Get:842 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main nmap 3.75-1 [562kB] 
[02:45] <blizah> Fetched 486MB in 2h40m1s (50.6kB/s)
[02:45] <blizah> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnome-icon-theme/gn ome-icon-theme_2.10.1-1ubuntu1_all.deb  Connection timed out [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[02:45] <blizah> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/evolution-data-serv er/libedata-book1.2-2_1.2.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  Could not connect to archive.ubun tu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: 82.211.81.151  80] 
[02:45] <blizah> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis sing?
[02:45] <blizah> stephen@linux:~ $
[02:45] <dcraven> jirwin, Line 2: VertRefresh   50-200
[02:45] <dcraven> jirwin, understand?
[02:45] <nathan> ky0nce: Still here?
[02:46] <blizah> that gonna cause trouble?
[02:46] <ky0nce> sorry missed your response....
[02:46] <jirwin> dcraven, doing it...
[02:46] <jirwin> dcraven, done
[02:47] <dcraven> jirwin, okay, let's restart X again like before... Logout and ctrl-alt-backspace.
[02:47] <dcraven> jirwin, and cross fingers.
[02:47] <ky0nce> used to use custom ntfs rpms build for each kernel on fedora for local hd access. Have not done the same on Ubuntu yet.
[02:47] <jirwin> dcraven, ok
[02:47] <blizah> ill guess no :D
[02:47] <ky0nce> For network access samba works out of the box
[02:47] <jirwin> dcraven, brb
[02:47] <SeeRSea> alien -i <rpm file>
[02:47] <whiskers> metalkaos, well i am sure they do....but i get very tired of trying to keep up with all the patches to all the millions of pieces of hardware
[02:47] <blizah> if i just did a regular install with warty, i will not be needing portmap no?
[02:48] <nathan> ky0nce: I'll need both. But first I want to known about local
[02:48] <barney_> hello - anyone know why I can't get a resolution above 640x480? I'm trying to set up my parent's pc with a CR17 Board - cr17nzch Chip Rev A3.
[02:48] <SeeRSea> Get a cheap ATI card
[02:49] <ky0nce> nathan: have you tried mounting your ntfs partition?
[02:49] <jirwin> dcraven, success!
[02:49] <Jerub> barney_: sounds like the hardware isn't properly supported.
[02:49] <dcraven> jirwin, woohoo!
[02:49] <dcraven> jirwin, Damn that one was stubborn eh?
[02:50] <nathan> ky0nce: No. Sorry, but I'm really begginer on this. How can I do that?
[02:50] <jirwin> dcraven, yes it was
[02:50] <moeru> >_< wonder why my connection keeps droppin me
[02:50] <dcraven> jirwin, I'm glad that worked.. I was runnin' out of steam on it... haha
[02:50] <[Phaedrus] > thanks for everything guys
[02:50] <[Phaedrus] > gotta run
[02:50] <jirwin> dcraven, that is odd that it didn't do that, even though it detected my monitor
[02:50] <[Phaedrus] > bye for now
[02:50] <blizah> do i need portmap?
[02:50] <Daehlie> ubuntu-update manager - Your  System is Up To Date
[02:50] <Antioch> SeeRSea does Ubuntu come with ATI acceleration enabled?
[02:51] <jirwin> dcraven, thanks so much
[02:51] <dcraven> jirwin, yeah... I must admit, I don't know alot about xorg configuration.
[02:51] <SeeRSea> Dunno, but it plugged my ATI card fine
[02:51] <dcraven> jirwin, glad to help.
[02:51] <jirwin> dcraven, you know enough it seems
[02:51] <blizah> If you are Not running NFS (Network File System) as a client or a server then remove the portmap package.   question:  am i running a NFS? :D
[02:51] <jirwin> dcraven, now I can play around :)
[02:51] <whiskers> it seems like every piece of hardware has a flashable bios nowdays
[02:51] <Jerub> ATI driver howto : http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:51] <dcraven> jirwin, have fun!
[02:51] <SeeRSea> I haven't tried gaming on Linux yet
[02:51] <`Xenocide> how how painful is the migration from warty to hoary?
[02:51] <ky0nce> nathan: start by typing man mount in a terminal window
[02:51] <flux__> can anybody help me on installing lilo? /proc/partitions is empty
[02:51] <Antioch> Jerub thanks! =)
[02:51] <jirwin> dcraven, 640x480 is a lot different than 1280x1024
[02:51] <whiskers> or something similar...to where you constantly have to service it
[02:52] <dcraven> jirwin, I bet.. Musta been frustrating.
[02:52] <jirwin> dcraven, you have no idea
[02:52] <dcraven> jirwin, things are pretty now..heh
[02:52] <SeeRSea> Such a solid distro though.  I'm tired of seeing my windows machine hang when shutting down.  Every process in the world hangs on in windows for dear life.  Linux, nope.  :)
[02:52] <jirwin> dcraven, yes..very
[02:52] <mdke> kerframil, that did the trick, nice one
[02:52] <dcraven> jirwin, well I'm glad you're patient.
[02:52] <kerframil> mdke: cool
[02:52] <subterrific> `Xenocide: read the website
[02:52] <nathan> ky0nce: Ok, I'll take a look and if I need more help I come back here. Thanks
[02:52] <FenixRF_> greetings...
[02:52] <Jerub> `Xenocide: it was very smooth for me :)
[02:53] <`Xenocide> woa, thats a change
[02:53] <dcraven> jirwin, I've seen at least one other guy in here with the same problem. Now maybe we can fix it.
[02:53] <kerframil> mdke: probably tried to persist something dodgy to your session at one logout
[02:53] <jirwin> dcraven, this was testing my patience
[02:53] <SeeRSea> The kernel is in charge in nix
[02:53] <ky0nce> iI have yet to figure out whether ubuntu has NTFS support built into the kernel or not. If not you either need to recompile the kernel or get a prebuilt kernel module
[02:53] <jirwin> dcraven, good :)
[02:53] <dcraven> jirwin, I could tell.. hhaha
[02:53] <barney_> jerub: thanks - I'll try adding a video card.
[02:53] <crimsun> ky0nce: it's a kernel module
[02:53] <nullGambit> how do I set minimum CPU frequency on Ubantu 5.04?
[02:53] <mdke> kerframil, it only happened after upgrading to the last splash screen
[02:53] <SeeRSea> I don't think warty does, ky
[02:53] <`Xenocide> but what am i looking for in particular?
[02:53] <dcraven> Hey FenixRF_
[02:53] <kerframil> mdke: I see
[02:53] <nullGambit> right now it's bounded to 600MHz on my machine
[02:53] <ky0nce> crimson: can I just insmod it from standard?
[02:54] <dhonn> 600mhz is good, if you have the ram
[02:54] <crimsun> ky0nce: modprobe ntfs
[02:54] <SeeRSea> I'll be on later.  Bye everyone
[02:54] <nullGambit> fan is still running at 600MHz
[02:54] <subterrific> `Xenocide: the upgrade instructions
[02:54] <nullGambit> i want it down to 400 range
[02:54] <blizah> anyone?...ive upgraded to hoary. should i remove portmap?
[02:54] <moeru> RC Hoary pulls zilch probing for NTFS
[02:54] <dcraven> Damn.. that other guy had the same problem in his xorg.conf and I didn't spot it before.
[02:54] <crimsun> blizah: if you don't need it, sure
[02:55] <ky0nce> crimsun: modprobe tells me it is not installed
[02:55] <`Xenocide> subterrific, well, that's not a very good answer to the original question. i simply asked how the transition was. I know how to look up the procedure.
[02:55] <mdke> how do i get rid of this update manager in the panel?
[02:55] <crimsun> ky0nce: uname -r
[02:55] <ky0nce> still a new system 2 days
[02:55] <blizah> well im just a common person it says only remove if you not using network file system....im woundering if i am :D
[02:55] <subterrific> `Xenocide: the procedure is simple. therefore, painless
[02:55] <ky0nce> 2.6.10-5-386
[02:55] <FenixRF_> ok... any ndiswrapper experts in here? :)
[02:55] <`Xenocide> subterrific, upgrading from woody to sid was simple, but not therefore painless
[02:55] <crimsun> ky0nce: what cpu do you have?
[02:56] <ky0nce> Intel 3Ghz HT
[02:56] <dcraven> FenixRF_, I guess you know by now that I'm not one eh? :)
[02:56] <crimsun> ky0nce: sudo aptitude install linux-686-smp
[02:56] <crimsun> ky0nce: then reboot
[02:56] <`Xenocide> subterrific, as an example, that upgrade broke gnome, until they put in a transition script
[02:56] <FenixRF_> dcraven, I wouldn't have gotten as far as I did, without ya mate.
[02:56] <`Xenocide> subterrific, i'm not expecting anything so severe, but it couldn't hurt to ask if there's been any surprises
[02:57] <dcraven> FenixRF_, no luck since though eh? No signal at all...
[02:57] <dle> did anyone else get this: "dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-debian-files (--configure):
[02:57] <dle>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured"
[02:57] <FenixRF_> dcraven, none
[02:57] <ky0nce> crimsun: thanks busy d/l. Will it install the ntfs module automatically?
[02:57] <crimsun> dle: updates fine with aptitude
[02:57] <okt> I am looking for some help... I am trying to use a resolution of at least 1600x1200, but it only displays 1024x768 and below in the list. I have added the resolutions to the appropriate file... any ideas?
[02:57] <crimsun> ky0nce: it will exist, yes. You'll have to load it.
[02:57] <ky0nce> nathan: hoped you followed some of this thread...
[02:57] <dcraven> FenixRF_, what was the chipset again?
[02:58] <xMaximex> I have a sil0680 pci ide controller wich is supposed to be automaticly detected by the kernel ... what is the /dev/*** for the hard disk connected to it ?
[02:58] <ky0nce> crimsun: add it to a loader script?
[02:58] <blizah> im my sources list do i only need to change deb to hoary main restricted and leave deb-src to warty main restricted?
[02:58] <blizah> to upgrade?
[02:58] <blizah> the howto im reading only says change deb to hoary
[02:59] <dcraven> blizah, you might as well change them all.
[02:59] <crimsun> ky0nce: sure
[02:59] <FenixRF_> ACX-111 ... NetGear WG311v2
[03:00] <ky0nce> crimsun: which init script is standard for this type of thing on ubuntu?
[03:00] <dhonn> I had an interesting situation: my brothers HP will not boot from CD, not even windows restore discs
[03:00] <crimsun> ky0nce: /etc/modules
[03:00] <AthUser> check the bios
[03:01] <dhonn> he cdrom is checked for booting first
[03:01] <dhonn> i had to disconnect the hard drive to force it to boot from cd, then power up the hd after I got to to the install cd's grub
[03:01] <AthUser> check the bios so cdrom boots first
[03:01] <ky0nce> crimsun: of course, thanks!
[03:01] <dhonn> talk about vendor lock in
[03:02] <andysl> Success Story Begin...
[03:02] <blizah> hrm i think my upgrade messed up
[03:02] <blizah> i get this at the end
[03:02] <andysl> I just installed Ubuntu - it is the most awesome distribution in the world.
[03:02] <andysl> I switched from Fedora Core 3 Sponsored by RedHat to Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com).
[03:02] <Krys^^> andysl, I totally agree with you haha
[03:02] <andysl> The difference in speed, ease of use, and compatability with all software/hardware is enormous.
[03:02] <moeru> ok..bleh..need to download the freakin kernel source
[03:02] <AthUser> yes, i'm a redhat fedora lover but trying ubuntu is like put together the best of redhat and debian
[03:02] <blizah> Get:840 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main liblircclient0 0.7.0.1-1ubuntu1 [42 .7kB] 
[03:02] <blizah> Get:841 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main lsb 2.0-1ubuntu2 [26.6kB] 
[03:02] <blizah> Get:842 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main nmap 3.75-1 [562kB] 
[03:02] <blizah> Fetched 486MB in 2h40m1s (50.6kB/s)
[03:02] <blizah> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnome-icon-theme/gn ome-icon-theme_2.10.1-1ubuntu1_all.deb  Connection timed out [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[03:02] <blizah> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/evolution-data-serv er/libedata-book1.2-2_1.2.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  Could not connect to archive.ubun tu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: 82.211.81.151  80] 
[03:02] <ky0nce> andysl: same here
[03:02] <blizah> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis sing?
[03:02] <andysl> Ubuntu is the number one linux distribution in the world, in my book.
[03:02] <blizah> im i screwed?
[03:03] <xMaximex> I have a sil0680 pci ide controller wich is supposed to be automaticly detected by the kernel ... what is the /dev/*** for the hard disk connected to it ?
[03:03] <blizah> am i screwed?
[03:03] <Krys^^> I was so surprised the first time I logged in.. Ubuntu *automatically* saw my windows 'shares'
[03:03] <andysl> I will be helping to distribute Ubuntu all over the world to college aged kids.
[03:03] <libben> go go go
[03:03] <andysl> The operating is so easy to use and so forth - Ubuntu is EASIER to install and use than Microsoft Windows XP - and I'm not joking!
[03:03] <libben> see u at the other end
[03:03] <libben> =)
[03:03] <andysl> Ubuntu is the greatest Linux distribution of all time.
[03:03] <nekohayo> andysl, then start seeding the torrent with me! :)
[03:03] <andysl> Ubuntu will change this world. ^_^
[03:03] <blizah> anyone?
[03:03] <Krys^^> I know!! for the first time in 3 years, I was able to erase my windows installations on *all* my machines and put ubuntu on them
[03:03] <andysl> nekohayo:  Even better, as soon as I get back from the barbeque...
[03:04] <nekohayo> andysl, free steaks? XD
[03:04] <andysl> nekohayo:  I will setup a DIRECT DOWNLOAD of the Ubuntu ISO!
[03:04] <Krys^^> lol I donno if i'd go that far :P
[03:04] <nekohayo> andysl, would you happen to know python? ^^
[03:04] <andysl> nekohayo:  I have a server up with dual 100mbit (200mbit total) to a 1 Gig-E Level3 pipe!
[03:04] <AthUser> what player can play my divx or Xvid avi files, totem don't let me, say it somethign about codecs?
[03:04] <andysl> nekohayo:  I do not know of a man/woman named python.
[03:04] <SysFail> kaffeine
[03:04] <nekohayo> the programming language
[03:04] <andysl> nekohayo:  However, if you are referring to the LANGUAGE...
[03:04] <SysFail> totem blows
[03:05] <andysl> nekohayo:  I know the language less than I know a man/woman named python.
[03:05] <AthUser> blows?
[03:05] <nekohayo> ah, too bad. XD
[03:05] <andysl> nekohayo:  However, I may be able to help you.
[03:05] <andysl> nekohayo:  What is your question?
[03:05] <andysl> nekohayo:  I am a software developer, developing software in C/C++ and, ahem..., PHP if anyone considers that a language ^_-
[03:05] <nekohayo> andysl, It's not a question, I'm looking for people to participate to specto.sf.net ^^
[03:05] <nekohayo> take a look if you want ^^
[03:05] <ky0nce> nekohayo: I'm starting out on python - the language
[03:05] <FenixRF> anyone? :)  ndiswrapper is loaded, everything is AOK ... but I get barro signal
[03:06] <AthUser> what player can play my divx or Xvid avi files, totem don't let me, say it somethign about codecs?
[03:06] <nekohayo> well I'm starting too, but since that's the first programming lang. ever that I'm learning..
[03:06] <dhonn> you have to install w32codecs
[03:06] <Krys^^> AthUser, It's easy to fix, I just had to type in a nice little command, but the sad part, I completely forget what it was :)
[03:06] <AthUser> all right, HOW?
[03:06] <andysl> nekohayo:  That is an amazing idea for a software.
[03:06] <andysl> nekohayo:  Be sure to get a patent on it IMMEDIATELY.
[03:06] <ky0nce> nekohayo: it's an easy lang to learn
[03:06] <moeru> in patching the kernel, I need to uncompress the file, correct?
[03:06] <andysl> nekohayo:  OPEN SOURCE doesn't mean FREELY COPYABLE by Microsoft.
[03:07] <dhonn> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:07] <andysl> nekohayo:  PLEASE get a PATENT on great ideas like that, so that the world will switch over to Ubuntu, the greatest Linux distribution in the world.
[03:07] <andysl> nekohayo: =)
[03:07] <dcraven> FenixRF, this is pissing me off.. I can see others use this chipset with little problem, so I know it works.
[03:07] <andysl> This is so fast (Ubuntu).  I wonder if KDE 3.4 runs fast in Ubuntu, lol.  However, I am going to stick with this Gnome 2.10.1 ;)
[03:08] <crimsun> well, there is kubuntu 5.04, too...
[03:08] <PacoBCN> andysl, it will be the greatest when my usb drives will be automatically mounted at boot
[03:08] <Krys^^> andysl, in my experience, it didn't
[03:08] <andysl> This Linux distribution is an amazing work of art.
[03:08] <FenixRF> dcraven, I know I'm not a dumbass ... I have to have the WEP key right
[03:08] <j-rock_> anyone know how to remove gnome from the system entirely
[03:08] <nekohayo> andysl, yeah I know that's why I started this :) but is a patent a must? ......ok we live in a microsoft world.. but I don't know how to
[03:08] <andysl> USB drives to be automatically mounted at boot?  You can probably just add a line to your rc ;)
[03:08] <dcraven> FenixRF, disable that damn WEP until you get a connection! haha
[03:08] <andysl> Albeit, I bet you will need to add support in your kernel, or load the module.
[03:08] <ky0nce> PacoBCN:Mine does!
[03:08] <PacoBCN> andysl, it works with fat32 partition but not with ext3
[03:09] <FenixRF> dcraven, I already tried that
[03:09] <FenixRF> 'fraid to say :)
[03:09] <andysl> That is quite strange...
[03:09] <PacoBCN> in my external drive I have 2 partitions
[03:09] <andysl> It shouldn't really care what type of filesystem you have on the drive.
[03:09] <MMond> My floppy drive doesn't seem to be working  . . . ;\ I've a rather old laptop, (Toshina Satellite, 4015CDT) where can I begin to tackle this problem?
[03:09] <PacoBCN> and the ext3 doesn't load untill I "mount -a" it
[03:09] <andysl> If the kernel can communicate with the device at all, that should really be enough - especially if it can load Fat32...
[03:09] <SGC|Home> anyone here using an ati "tv wonder ve" for tv capture?
[03:09] <andysl> PacoBCN:  That is weird...
[03:10] <PacoBCN> andysl, I know, I'm so disappointed
[03:10] <andysl> PacoBCN:  Then, just add 'mount -a' to your rc startup scripts ;)
[03:10] <subterrific> why would you format a usb drive with anything other than fat32?
[03:10] <SGC|Home> been googling for days
[03:10] <Krys^^> andysl, can I pm u?
[03:10] <PacoBCN> andysl, you know that's the nasty way
[03:10] <Fackamato> why do people feel the need to PM others?
[03:10] <Fackamato> it's stupid
[03:10] <andysl> That's true - but it's not like you'd notice once it is booted up ;)
[03:10] <andysl> Krys^^:  Sure ;)
[03:10] <subterrific> those things are great because you can mount them on any OS, but as soon as you format it ext3 you're screwed
[03:10] <PacoBCN> and then if usb is plugged at boot other partition icons won't show up
[03:10] <mdke> Fackamato, maybe they want to talk in private about you or me
[03:11] <blizah> anyone know anything about the error at the end of my hoary update?
[03:11] <mdke> seems fair enough to me
[03:11] <AthUser> thanks a lot, found it
[03:11] <SysFail> how many times is that dumbass gonna flod himself off
[03:11] <thundrcleeze> I agree, nekohayo, you should get a patent or official copyright, because I can see Microsoft easily incorporating that idea into their do-it-all version of MSN Messenger, or even worse: Clippy.
[03:11] <SysFail> flood
[03:11] <MMond> My floppy drive doesn't seem to be working  . . . ;\ I've a rather old laptop, (Toshina Satellite, 4015CDT) where can I begin to tackle this problem?  <-- can anyone give a little hint? heh..
[03:11] <blizah> me?
[03:11] <j-rock_> is it possible to remove gnome from my system using apyt/synaptic?
[03:11] <moeru> ok..i'm a tad lost x.x
[03:11] <crimsun> SysFail: it's simply his connection; he's not present
[03:12] <crimsun> SysFail: and he's not an idiot, he's the acpi guy for our kernels
[03:12] <MarcN> j-rock_, sure apt-get remove away!
[03:12] <moeru> how do I recompile my kernel?
[03:12] <SysFail> hes doing something to cause it
[03:12] <ky0nce> j-rock, better install kubuntu-desktop before you try
[03:12] <blizah> anyone?
[03:12] <andysl> nekohayo:  Just get a patent - but how you use the patent is up to you.  Set certain restrictions on the patent -- i.e., this idea is freely distributable under the GPL, however, the license DOES NOT ALLOW USE ON MICROSOFT WINDOWS... or something hahaha ;)
[03:12] <j-rock_> ky0nce: i dont want kde either, i hate gnome and kde
[03:12] <j-rock_> all i want is openbox
[03:12] <andysl> That would be a quick way to get some Microsoft hitmen at your door ;)
[03:12] <spanglesontoast> what's so good about aptitude?
[03:12] <MarcN> j-rock_, on my servers i never run X servers.  Better be comfortable with the command line.
[03:12] <subterrific> getting a patent is expensive, that idea isn't without prior art either.
[03:12] <j-rock_> MarcN: i am, long time BSD user
[03:12] <SGC|Home> I have bttv set to card=64 and tuner=2 like I had on gentoo/fedora/slack/suse and there seems to be no update to the module loading
[03:13] <MarcN> j-rock_, then rock on ;-)
[03:13] <SGC|Home> still getting mostly black and white and tuner is off by one channel
[03:13] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: it maintains a log of actions taken; it tracks package usage; its dependency resolution tends to be more intelligent, etc.
[03:13] <ky0nce> j-rock, not familiar with that environment, does it offer clipboard and all the rest?
[03:13] <thundrcleeze> nekohayo: You can get patents on ideas and not have a prototype working.
[03:13] <whiskers> andysl, ubuntu is incredibly useful and easy to use...but i think the numbers clearly show that gentoo is still the number one distribution
[03:13] <spanglesontoast> so why does it have azureus on it and synaptic doesn't?
[03:13] <blizah> should i run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   if i got an error saying for some reason it couldnt download somethings
[03:13] <j-rock_> MarcN: synaptic didnt like me trying to deinstall gnome though, it threw a whole ton of dependancies that would also be removed that i wanted
[03:13] <blizah> ?
[03:13] <andysl> whiskers:  It's up to us to change that ;)
[03:14] <j-rock_> ky0nce: whats a clipboard
[03:14] <MMond> Okay . . . suppose a floppy drive doesn't work . . . where should one even begin to resolve this problem? :x
[03:14] <whiskers> andysl, for those gurus and experts that can understand it
[03:14] <subterrific> whiskers: what numbers?
[03:14] <MarcN> j-rock_, just use apt-get directly. be wary of GUIs
[03:14] <Krys^^> whiskers, didn't he say in *his* books? or did he say something else that I missed
[03:14] <andysl> whiskers:  It's not easy to make people migrate/move to a new Linux distribution...
[03:14] <ky0nce> ubuntu now no 1 by activity on distrowatch.org
[03:14] <j-rock_> MarcN: can do
[03:14] <andysl> whiskers:  However, we can make it happen.
[03:14] <moeru> how do I recompile my kernel? >_< tryin to patch for captive-ntfs
[03:14] <nekohayo> andysl, that windows part should be hidden for now (recruiting phase, you know? XD)
[03:14] <whiskers> andysl, well it is powerful ...limited only by the laws of where you live....and easy to use...
[03:14] <ky0nce> j-rock: :-) You'l know it if you use it and come from Win32 background
[03:15] <j-rock_> ky0nce: lol, i havent touched windows in years
[03:15] <nekohayo> thundrcleeze, thanks I guessed that.. but I need to know *how* to get the patent (I'm in canada.. *googles*)
[03:15] <subterrific> whiskers: what numbers show gentoo being the #1 distro?
[03:15] <andysl> whiskersLet's get everyone to use Ubuntu.
[03:15] <whiskers> andysl, but the difference between gentoo and ubuntu is that when all the libs change you have to recompile and gentoo people know this.
[03:15] <whiskers> subterrific, just take a look
[03:15] <ky0nce> j-rock: hoping to say the same in a few!
[03:15] <subterrific> whiskers: where?
[03:16] <j-rock_> whiskers: gentoo people dont have to fuck with repositories too, i hate repositories
[03:16] <j-rock_> ky0nce: :)
[03:16] <whiskers> subterrific, open #gentoo and #ubuntu....1000 to 500
[03:16] <FenixRF> anyone in here use a NetGear WG311v2 with 4.1?
[03:16] <subterrific> whiskers: haha, irc is hardly a valid measure
[03:16] <thundrcleeze> People like the streamlined approach to gentoo, ubuntu doesn't force the user to recompile everything when they install a program.
[03:16] <ama> i do FenixRF
[03:16] <andysl> Anyhow, brb...
[03:16] <whiskers> subterrific, well who is to say it is not a representative sample
[03:16] <FenixRF> ama, ok ... did you run into any problems setting it up?
[03:16] <andysl> whiskers:  Ubuntu is clearly the 'easiest' choice of Linux distribution if switching from Microsoft Win to Linux... honestly
[03:16] <ama> no
[03:17] <Krys^^>   I tried linspire
[03:17] <subterrific> whiskers: uhm, math?
[03:17] <andysl> whiskers:  UBUNTU is _AMAZING_.
[03:17] <ama> what about mandrake?
[03:17] <Krys^^> and.. ubuntu was *way* easier
[03:17] <whiskers> andysl, absolutely...that is not in disagreement
[03:17] <Krys^^> lol
[03:17] <andysl> Mandrake is dead.
[03:17] <crimsun> whiskers: whether a distro's irc channel has more users doesn't matter. Competition is good. The fact of the matter is that Ubuntu has generated a buzz unlike anything Debian _or_ Gentoo has.
[03:17] <andysl> It's called Mandriva now ;)
[03:17] <andysl> (Conectiva + Mandrake makes Mandriva)
[03:17] <seven_six_two> andysl, that's pretty subjective
[03:17] <ama> ill never switch
[03:17] <ama> its always mandrake to me
[03:17] <MarcN> mandriva sounds like Man Driver.  Seems a little silly.
[03:17] <andysl> I'm going to start a campaigne...
[03:17] <andysl> "switch to linux and get PAID!"
[03:17] <j-rock_> i think mandriva just sounds lame
[03:17] <casimir> I use Gentoo on the desktop and Ubuntu on the laptop, they have their merits and it depends what you're trying to implement
[03:17] <andysl> im going to start that campaigne
[03:17] <crimsun> whiskers: not to mention that all the distros borrow from each other
[03:17] <andysl> ;)
[03:18] <dcraven> FenixRF, you did try this prism54 or whatever driver right? But it didn't support something you needed?
[03:18] <MMond> Ubuntu only created a buzz because the millionaire offered people to get it by mail ~_~ and that pulled people like AOL sucks in noobs close to itself
[03:18] <andysl> i will use $100,000 of my own money... to get this started
[03:18] <moeru> is there a way to recompile the kernel into an installable or what do I need to do?
[03:18] <andysl> and in order to make hte $ back
[03:18] <andysl> i will start a support service
[03:18] <FenixRF> dcraven, ndiswrapper was supposed to be the easy way
[03:18] <Krys^^> I tried installing Gentoo, but.. I couldn't make it through the install. I don't know enough command line stuff to be able to do it. I'd like to eventually try everything out though
[03:18] <FenixRF> ama, which driver did you use from the CD?
[03:18] <whiskers> crimsun, yes but gentoo is distinguished from all the rest because it has a mechanism to constantly patch the libraries
[03:18] <crimsun> MMond: "only"? I don't really think that's the _only_ reason.
[03:18] <jldugger> MMond, i think you discount too heavily the Debian expatriats
[03:18] <whiskers> crimsun, so you don't have dependency hell
[03:18] <dj28> guys, i have a question. i have identd started, but in my logs, identd always needs an error that says "ERROR : NO USER" when an ircd queries it. any idea what's up?
[03:19] <tritium> moeru, yes, with a package called kernel-package
[03:19] <dj28> needs=leaves
[03:19] <j-rock_> i can understand initial complaints about gentoo's install, but once you understand it, it goes by quickly
[03:19] <crimsun> whiskers: anyone can pull like a panting dog from cvs/svn/$rcs_of_choice and recompile
[03:19] <dcraven> FenixRF, did you try unloading ndiswrapper and try modprobing the prism54? You probably should. I'm reading that it also works... haha
[03:19] <AthUser> is there a tool for laptos to tell X put the video en lcd or rgb out?
[03:19] <Krys^^> j-rock_, i can understand that. I just need to learn command line stuff first.
[03:19] <subterrific> whiskers: so does debian
[03:19] <MMond> I tried Linux (Ubuntu.. got it installed about 2 weeks ago) only because someone gave me the disk . . . so did many others. Had it not been the CDs . . . well, I think the chan would have less than 200 users ;\
[03:19] <whiskers> crimsun, well yes but then you have to be a guru or expert to know all the patches that exist and will exist
[03:19] <nekohayo> hey, what happened to spreadubuntu.com? is it going to be alive anytime soon? :)
[03:19] <moeru> tritium: If I've already got the source unpacked and patched?
[03:20] <casimir> j-rock_, it's not for beginners by any means, but if you have time to learn it's very flexible
[03:20] <subterrific> whiskers: and according to http://distrowatch.com/ gentoo isn't nearly as popular as you think
[03:20] <MMond> What's hard is finding places to start with . . . so much chaos and confusion at the very start, and finding support is sometimes very hard
[03:20] <Krys^^> haha.. its like spreadfirefox...
[03:20] <jldugger> subterrific, on the other hand, nobody cares about distrowatch
[03:20] <jldugger> err
[03:20] <crimsun> whiskers: the beauty of gentoo is that portage is fairly intuitive in terms of allowing the user to compile with{out} certain libs
[03:20] <jldugger> yea
[03:20] <whiskers> subterrific, i think it is...but many people just want an easy distro that is still very powerful
[03:20] <tritium> moeru, yes.  You'll need to read a few lines of documentation, but it's fairly easy.
[03:21] <crimsun> whiskers: the beauty of ubuntu is that the user doesn't need to know any libs
[03:21] <whiskers> crimsun, that is right
[03:21] <casimir> getting the hang of use flags is really the most challenging part of using gentoo imo
[03:21] <subterrific> jldugger: i agree, whiskers was just pointing out that gentoo was the most popular distro because #gentoo has 1000 people idling in it.
[03:21] <nekohayo> andysl, about the patent thing. Looks like a canadian patent is valid in canada only.
[03:22] <Krys^^> well, we'll need to get 1001 people idling here :)
[03:22] <subterrific> jldugger: i felt the need to laugh at that and point out his faulty logic with some equally logic ;)
[03:22] <jldugger> heh. as far as I know, distrowatch just measures the number of hits to the website
[03:22] <metalkaos> #gentoo has so many people cause it is hard to install
[03:22] <crimsun> evening, tritium :)
[03:22] <ky0nce> comiling standard linux tools and libraries and emerging them is not really using a system
[03:22] <hackeron> how do I change the alt+mmb+drag to the standard alt+rmb+drag?
[03:22] <tritium> hello, crimsun :)
[03:22] <jldugger> metalkaos, so Ubuntu is only half as hard to install?
[03:22] <casimir> subterrific, 1000 people idling in #gentoo has more to do with it's support community
[03:22] <SysFail> thats no kidding...thats a 4 hour install
[03:22] <ky0nce> gentoo is great for learning though...
[03:22] <SysFail> if youre lucky
[03:22] <SGC|Home> ok, trying to figure out how to update modules options now, I'm used to editing /etc/modules.conf but apparently that's handled by /etc/modutils/aliases now?
[03:22] <nathan> Can someone help me to access my windowns files from Ubuntu?
[03:22] <subterrific> casimir: tell that to whiskers, not me.
[03:22] <dj28> ky0nce, learning what? learning what gcc output looks like?
[03:22] <metalkaos> jldugger: my mom could install ubuntu
[03:22] <Krys^^> nathan.. are they on the same computer? on a different partition?
[03:23] <casimir> i will use gentoo's forums to solve problems on my ubuntu laptop
[03:23] <jldugger> metalkaos, your mom can partition a harddrive correctly?
[03:23] <Krys^^> metalkaos, my mom too! haha.. but then again she's a programmer so that's not all that strange
[03:23] <FenixRF> dcraven, I wonder if it has something to do with the modprobe director when I ran ndiswrapper -m
[03:23] <bogus> your mom is a programmer? :o
[03:23] <nathan> Krys^^:Same computer and different HD
[03:23] <ky0nce> you only learn when things go wrong in gentoo anyway and then when you are finally able to fix it!
[03:23] <subterrific> jldugger: probably not, but she can hit enter with the default partition setup
[03:23] <bogus> you don't hear that very often :P
[03:23] <metalkaos> jldugger:  um.. there are defaults.. just like in the win2k and winxp installer... you can take the defaults or tweak
[03:23] <XbruceX> i'm going to install winxp but i'm afraid it will wipe my grub mbr, what bootcd/rescue cd do you guys recommend??
[03:24] <dcraven> FenixRF, I dunno what the modprobe director is.
[03:24] <Krys^^> yup she is haha
[03:24] <crimsun> XbruceX: knoppix is one of the best
[03:24] <bogus> XbruceX gentoo :o
[03:24] <nathan> ky0nce: I tryed to mount but It seems that linux didn't recognize...
[03:24] <bogus> or knoppix :P
[03:24] <jldugger> metalkaos, but really, when the next release comes out with the GUI install, it will be a very solid installer
[03:24] <ky0nce> WinXP WILL wipe your grub
[03:24] <FenixRF> dcraven, when you run ndiswrapper -m ... it creates an alias pointing wlan0 ...
[03:24] <Krys^^> sadly, she's who told me about linux in the first place
[03:24] <FenixRF> dcraven, I wonder if mine is pointing to a dead/wrong driver
[03:24] <jldugger> presuming they can handle that properly
[03:24] <metalkaos> jldugger: it is now... this is my first time using it... it didn't ask me for anything that my mom wouldn't knwo
[03:24] <ky0nce> nathan:check the thread higher up crimsun had some good tips for both of us...
[03:25] <j-rock_> XbruceX: gentoo's actually, i've used the gentoo livecd to reinstall grub numerous times
[03:25] <bogus> haha Krys^^ :p
[03:25] <McQuaid> during the install can one skip the mbr update part?
[03:25] <bogus> gentoo is also a much smaller download ;)
[03:25] <crimsun> MS-DOS is even smaller.
[03:25] <Krys^^> haha ubuntu took me 15mins to download
[03:25] <bogus> but you can't reinstall grub with ms dos :)
[03:25] <XbruceX> j-rock_: is there an option on that gentoo livecd for grub re-install/re-activate?
[03:26] <bogus> ubuntu took me 1.5 minutes to download :P
[03:26] <crimsun> you don't need grub with ms-dos ;)
[03:26] <dj28> ubuntu is the only distro i've used that natively supported my 1920x1200 resolution. fedora screwed it up
[03:26] <dj28> no xorg fuckery needed
[03:26] <j-rock_> XbruceX: no so much an option as you need to issue a command
[03:26] <blizah> so am i using a network file system if i just installed warty and didnt thouch it?
[03:26] <LinuxJones> dj28, wtf that's an insane resolution
[03:26] <j-rock_> XbruceX: its in the gentoo handbook somewhere i cant remember, havent had to do it in a while
[03:27] <dj28> LinuxJones, yea, it's a wide screen LCD
[03:27] <LinuxJones> dj28, a laptop ?
[03:27] <dj28> yea
[03:27] <LeeJunFan> got my 1680x1050 right too - fedora said that's what I had but wouldn't let me choose that res.
[03:27] <bogus> XbruceX> chroot your current ubuntu install and run the grub setup
[03:27] <bogus> afaik there's no other way
[03:27] <LinuxJones> dj28, man that's awesome
[03:27] <Krys^^> bogus, haha.. awesome..
[03:27] <dj28> yea, ubuntu self configures a lot better than fedora
[03:27] <whiskers> ky0nce, no gentoo is not for learning...it is for experts....#lfs is for learning
[03:27] <dj28> my ipw2200 card was also supported out of the box
[03:27] <dj28> it wasn't on fedora
[03:27] <Daehlie> wheres the release party?
[03:28] <bogus> gentoo is very newbie friendly imo
[03:28] <whiskers> and not too many people want to learn anything
[03:28] <McQuaid> does ubuntu install without destroying the contents on a partition?  I have a extra ext3 partition that i want to install ubuntu to but there is some stuff on there that i'd like to keep
[03:28] <whiskers> #lfs only has 12 people
[03:28] <McQuaid> i want to make sure it's not going to destroy it during the install
[03:28] <j-rock_> bogus: thats the one!  nice memory work there :)
[03:28] <ky0nce> whiskers: where do experts learn before they become experts?
[03:28] <j-rock_> ky0nce: reading, lots of reading
[03:28] <bogus> j-rock_ ;)
[03:28] <ama> they are creatificated as experts
[03:28] <XbruceX> couldn't i possibly use the hoary livecd as a rescue cd?
[03:28] <whiskers> ky0nce, i have no answer for that
[03:29] <bogus> I installed gentoo once or twice
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> ky0nce: the school of many re-installs.
[03:29] <j-rock_> XbruceX: as long as it has chroot installed on it, so prolly
[03:29] <bogus> (or 10 times :P)
[03:29] <whiskers> #lfs is the absolutely best system for learning but nobody wants to learn anything
[03:29] <ky0nce> the linux learning curve is very steep, thank goodness for google and stupid questions asked by other people on forums!
[03:29] <seven_six_two> McQuaid, you'll be fine
[03:29] <bogus> mwoh
[03:29] <libben> learn what?
[03:29] <bogus> lfs is euhm for die-hards... :))
[03:29] <Daehlie> i became a linux expert  by spending hours trying to get each part of linux that wasn't working already and made it work
[03:30] <spanglesontoast> indeed but then you have to move on to the gui
[03:30] <spanglesontoast> otherwise you left with a prompt lol
[03:30] <seven_six_two> installer can mount without initializing
[03:30] <Krys^^> ky0nce,  i tend to be the one sasking those stupid questions :S lol
[03:30] <andrewski> Daehlie: is it useful once it's working?
[03:30] <McQuaid> seven_six_two: thx
[03:30] <ky0nce> Daehlie:I support that
[03:30] <bogus> Daehlie and now you're an expert?
[03:30] <McQuaid> one last thing, can i skip the grub mbr update in the install and do it manually myself
[03:30] <ky0nce> Krys^^: Thank you!
[03:30] <seven_six_two> just set partition type to its current type...ext2 ext3 JFS etc.
[03:30] <dcraven> FenixRF, did you read the note about your chipset here? --> http://tinyurl.com/64ae3
[03:30] <dcraven> FenixRF, did you use the same driver version specified there etc?
[03:31] <McQuaid> after checking out various distros i tend to like update the mbr from the one distro and just add the new one manually
[03:31] <Flonne> McQuaid, you could allow it to go, hack menu.lst, then boot into your Debian system and re-run grub there.
[03:31] <evilmegaman> I have the newest ubuntu that just came out and was wondering if I apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will I still have the stuff I started out with? (gnome etc.)
[03:31] <ky0nce> Arrogance quit?? - never
[03:31] <dcraven> FenixRF, kinda scrapin' here I know...
[03:31] <blizah> could anyone tell me what version ati drivers hoary comes with in synaptic?
[03:31] <seven_six_two> i don't remember. i think its automatic
[03:31] <NeoEcoS> what is the aplication that it's named RUN APLICATION ?
[03:31] <whiskers> you don't know how many times in the middle of a gentoo compilation there would be a quick message to set this or set that....it is strictly for experts
[03:31] <blizah> 6.8.0 right?
[03:31] <Burgundavia> in hoary yes
[03:31] <MarcN> evan_d, apt-get install only adds software.  it it needs to remove something it will tell you.
[03:31] <Riddell> evilmegaman: yes
[03:31] <metalkaos> whiskers: it logs all those messages
[03:31] <seven_six_two> NeoEcoS, it isn't an app
[03:31] <evilmegaman> thanks Riddell :)
[03:32] <metalkaos> whiskers: plus etc-update pretty much takes care of most of them
[03:32] <thundrcleeze> is there anything I need to do besides replace the sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade into hoary?
[03:33] <NeoEcoS> seven_six_two how can i change this applet icon on a gnome-bar??
[03:33] <blizah> thundr...im following the directions here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[03:33] <blizah> it says some post upgrade stuff to do
[03:33] <evilmegaman> am I not supposed to Have a root passwd?
[03:33] <seven_six_two> NeoEcoS, I'm not sure what you mean
[03:33] <xulin> 'night
[03:33] <Burgundavia> EvilIdler, correct
[03:33] <McQuaid> Flonne: actually i use lilo, not sure which is better but lilo is what  i got used to.  So i want to skip grub entirely during the ubuntu install, and boot to deb and update lilo from there
[03:33] <McQuaid> just want to make i can skip it
[03:33] <j-rock_> its all sudo evilmegaman
[03:33] <McQuaid> and btw, does ubuntu try and find other os's, distros when it run grub?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> evilmegaman, correct
[03:33] <blizah> the directions are towards the bottom
[03:33] <McQuaid> or just blindly write ubuntu and nothing else
[03:33] <evilmegaman> thanks everyone :)
[03:33] <dcraven> evilmegaman, 	http://tinyurl.com/5jash
[03:33] <metalkaos> evilmegaman:  they don't set a root password.. but your user can sudo passwd root if you really want one
[03:34] <j-rock_> evilmegaman: kinda lame just 'sudo -s' and use your normal users passwd
[03:34] <xvers> does anyone know if there there is a gui to edit init.d?
[03:34] <Flonne> McQuaid, you could still let Ubuntu do its thing, add DEbian to your list, then run Lilo from there.
[03:34] <j-rock_> vim!
[03:34] <seven_six_two> lol
[03:34] <xvers> does anyone know if there there is a ui to edit init.d?
[03:34] <seven_six_two> my thoughts exactly j-rock_
[03:34] <dcraven> gvim
[03:34] <Burgundavia> xvers, nope
[03:34] <j-rock_> seven_six_two: yeah, vim is gui enough right :)
[03:34] <Krys^^> what's that startign guide website for ubuntu?
[03:34] <evilmegaman> thanks guys :)
[03:34] <newcoast> gedit?
[03:34] <jdub> McQuaid: it looks for other OSes
[03:34] <seven_six_two> i think so
[03:35] <metalkaos> i kind of like how there is no root... makes people pay attention more
[03:35] <McQuaid> Flonne: but can i prevent ubuntu from doing it's thing?
[03:35] <xvers> burgundavia, how do i run a script at startup?
[03:35] <ky0nce> init.d is a directory
[03:35] <seven_six_two> vim is the super tool
[03:35] <ama> rm -rf /etc/init.d
[03:35] <McQuaid> jdub: thx that's good to know
[03:35] <ama> problem solfed
[03:35] <Flonne> McQuaid, yes, but not easily.
[03:35] <dcraven> ama, don't.
[03:35] <Flonne> jdub, it doesn't look for other Linux distros on the same partition, AFAICT.
[03:35] <NeoEcoS> seven_six_tow in a gnome panel i put the applet Run Aplication, that shows Run aplication box, i need to change the icon on the panel, excuse my bad english
[03:35] <ky0nce> ama: be nice
[03:36] <whiskers> metalkaos, i hate to disagree with you but etc-update does not.
[03:36] <Flonne> It's never picked up my Gentoo or Debian installations.
[03:36] <xvers> ama: im not that much of a newbie
[03:36] <Flonne> s/partition/drive/
[03:36] <whiskers> metalkaos, consider perl...it tells you to go here or there and run some kind of update program
[03:36] <whiskers> metalkaos, that thing is for experts
[03:36] <seven_six_two> right click on the applet, click on properties, and then click on the pic of the current icon
[03:37] <i3dmaster> one of my ubuntu box is having weird behavior.
[03:37] <whiskers> and you only get a few seconds in the middle of hours of computation to read and understand the message
[03:37] <metalkaos> whiskers: this word you keep using experts, i do not think you quite know what it means
[03:37] <i3dmaster> sometime the date command shows the time going back
[03:38] <i3dmaster> anyone experiences before?
[03:38] <ky0nce> linus in an 'expert' in kernel hacking
[03:38] <metalkaos> whooo... fresh install in 25 min
[03:38] <moeru> argh >_< my fave streamin radio is down
[03:38] <ky0nce> moeru:which one is that?
[03:38] <moeru> Damn you GBSFM!
[03:39] <moeru> GBS FM ^^;
[03:39] <whiskers> ky0nce, no doubt linus is an expert...but so are those crazy gentoo people
[03:39] <j-rock_> im one of those crazies thank you very much
[03:39] <FenixRF> dcraven, hell with it... I'm gonna install 5.04 ... turn off WEP and go from there for the time being...
[03:39] <casimir> me too
[03:39] <j-rock_> :)
[03:39] <FenixRF> dcraven, oh, and turn on MAC control :)
[03:39] <casimir> i always thought that debianites were the crazy ones ;)
[03:40] <ky0nce> whiskers:true, gentoo's real users probably are too
[03:40] <seven_six_two> if anyone here is a total newbie, please read this page. it will help you get the answers you need.
[03:40] <seven_six_two> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[03:40] <ctrlER> hi, i just did apt-get mplayer-custum but now mplayer doesnt start
[03:40] <FenixRF> and wharty just kernel panic'd on me.
[03:40] <ctrlER> can anyone help me?
[03:40] <metalkaos> there is no default tv app.....anyone have a suggestion?
[03:40] <seven_six_two> xawtv
[03:41] <whiskers> ok..my mistake it was not perl it was python...but the argument still holds.
[03:41] <thundrcleeze> blizah, is that post-upgrade stuff done after reboot?
[03:41] <NeoEcoS> ctrlER i have the same problem
[03:41] <dcraven> FenixRF, does "grep EnableRadio /etc/ndiswrapper/<driver>/*.conf" output anything?
[03:41] <tritium> metalkaos, tvtime
[03:42] <ctrlER> NeoEcoS, does totem plays your divx?
[03:43] <dcraven> FenixRF, and maybe the acpi=noirq kernel param would help? Have a look at the FAQ --> http://tinyurl.com/6j94p
[03:43] <blizah> thundrcleeze...i dont think so because the last step says reboot and balblaabla  (and thats after the stuff it says)
[03:43] <thundrcleeze> okay
[03:43] <thundrcleeze> Glad I didn't reboot.
[03:43] <dcraven> FenixRF, I don't know what you've tried so far..
[03:43] <tizen> what is the new unstable release called?
[03:44] <crimsun> (it will be Breezy)
[03:44] <NeoEcoS> ctrlER i use XINE player for play mi movies
[03:44] <FenixRF> dcraven, no... it doesn't return anything
[03:44] <moeru> doo doo doo..compling the freakin kernel
[03:44] <moeru> prolly gonna blow up my machine
[03:44] <FenixRF> dcraven, the grep cmd you gave me to try
[03:44] <ctrlER> NeoEcoS, and it works?
[03:44] <ky0nce> FenixRF: I had problems with WEP on a laptop install just now. I was able to enable it in X though using Network config
[03:44] <tritium> moeru, did you find kernel-package easy enough?
[03:44] <moeru> yeah
[03:45] <moeru> still lettin it do its thing
[03:45] <tritium> Great!
[03:45] <NeoEcoS> ctrlER YES
[03:45] <libben> when will they begin work on breezy?
[03:45] <FenixRF> brb... going to feed my cancer habit
[03:45] <moeru> I actually had the command wrong ^^; I was using make_kpkg instead of make-kpkg
[03:45] <ctrlER> then it can substitute mplayer
[03:45] <zenwhen> a few weeks apparently
[03:45] <NeoEcoS> yes i think
[03:46] <ctrlER> can i apt-get xine?
[03:46] <andrewski> ctrlER: yup, i'd recommend it over mplayer even. :P
[03:46] <flodine> why
[03:46] <tritium> ctrlER, you can always use apt-cache search <package> when looking for things
[03:46] <libben> what to install to be able to play a vob file with totem?
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> what's so good about xine?
[03:47] <ama> nothing
[03:47] <ctrlER> tritium, thankz
[03:47] <tritium> np
[03:47] <andrewski> spanglesontoast: always worked better for me than mplayer, and it has better frontends.
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[03:47] <ky0nce> certainly not the default skin
[03:48] <zenwhen> totem-xine is a perfect media player
[03:48] <McQuaid> yes i agree totem is great
[03:48] <andrewski> zenwhen: i prefrem xfmedia.
[03:48] <libben> bump again then
[03:48] <McQuaid> although when using always on top, the playlist should be on top of the player
[03:48] <libben> what to install to be able to play a vob file with totem?
[03:49] <flodine> totem better then mplayer
[03:49] <flodine> holla
[03:49] <casimir> i can count four dvd players that i've used on linux, i think totem's one of the nicest yet, with much potential
[03:49] <ctrlER> totem is not playing my divx even after downloading win32codecs
[03:49] <paolo> Hi guys! Is ubuntu compatible with all adsl cards? I can't see any adsl card in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport !
[03:50] <flodine> mplayer rules
[03:50] <flodine> holla
[03:50] <tritium> ctrlER, you likely have totem-gstreamer, not totem-xine
[03:50] <jorock> hi I just installed ubuntu, does it have some tool like yast in suse?
[03:51] <milli> jorock: synaptic or aptitude
[03:51] <jorock> ok how do I set an ftp source for synaptic?
[03:52] <milli> jorock: For either one, they both call 'apt' under the covers, so modify /etc/apt/sources.list as needed
[03:52] <spanglesontoast> been waiting two days for panther to download
[03:52] <milli> jorock: but you shouldn't need to mess with it other than to add on 'universe' and 'multiverse'
[03:52] <FenixRF> spanglesontoast, you're using a PPC?
[03:52] <kakalto> how do I change whether my computer comes to kdm or gdm at startup?
[03:52] <ctrlER> nice, gxine is installed but doesent output anny sound...
[03:52] <jorock> like universe and multiverse on an ftp site?
[03:52] <tritium> kakalto, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm (or kdm)
[03:53] <libben> is there any firewall installed from start?
[03:53] <spanglesontoast> nope going to emulate it with pearpc
[03:53] <spanglesontoast> oh yea or that lol
[03:53] <tritium> libben, no
[03:53] <casimir> jorock, maybe marillat, as well
[03:53] <dphase> nothing i have xine related (totem, gxine, etc) has audio in sync with video
[03:53] <kakalto> thanks
[03:53] <paolo> Hi guys! Does ubuntu work well with adls cards?
[03:53] <samuel> hey all
[03:53] <libben> if i wanna build my own server later ( firewall/ICS ) i just take a new box and install ubuntu with server as boot command... and then install firewall and do iptables?
[03:54] <milli> jorock: I.e., make it "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse"
[03:54] <samuel> i know there is an mp32ogg package
[03:54] <jorock> ok
[03:54] <samuel> but is there an mp3 codec package?
[03:54] <kakalto> how do I add fonts like verdana?
[03:54] <samuel> to play mp3s
[03:54] <FenixRF> spanglesontoast, you could also try CherryOS
[03:54] <tritium> samuel, apt-cache search for it
[03:54] <samuel> tritium, i did, but i cant find anything in universe
[03:54] <milli> jorock: Then run synaptic or aptitude (I like aptitude better because it runs in a terminal window) and hit 'u' to update the package lists
[03:55] <spanglesontoast> what's that?
[03:55] <kakalto> anyone?
[03:55] <milli> samuel: Perhaps you're in the wrong universe
[03:55] <tritium> samuel, you probably need either multiverse or, more likely, marillat
[03:55] <samuel> tritium, there is mp3 players - but do they have the codec?
[03:55] <samuel> tritium, thanks
[03:55] <spanglesontoast> sites down for cherry
[03:55] <tritium> np
[03:55] <libben> I wanna program later.... i know c++. is it build-essential the thing for me?
[03:56] <samuel> tritium, i do like the strar-treck ish reference!
[03:56] <samuel> :)
[03:56] <jorock> cool lemme do so
[03:56] <libben> and do i adapt to new c/c++ instructions from gcc?
[03:56] <libben> or what its now called
[03:56] <samuel> marillat - here i come
[03:56] <milli> jorock: you should see a whole lot more stuff
[03:56] <ctrlER> shine is giving me: [mpeg4 @ 0xb68da998] vop not coded
[03:56] <dcraven_> kakalto, if you have the ttf file, put it in ~/.fonts
[03:56] <seven_six_two> samuel, what are you trying to play mp3's in?
[03:56] <ctrlER> and ther is no sound
[03:57] <thundrcleeze> blizah, did you get to step three and realize that the RESUME= in the conf file doesn't exist?
[03:57] <j-rock_> libben: i believe build-essential is right
[03:57] <milli> jorock: Install 'msttcorefonts' if you want Arial and Trebuchet, i.e., Microsoft nice looking fonts.  ;-)
[03:57] <jorock> ok looks like its updating
[03:57] <jorock> nice I will
[03:57] <samuel> seven_six_two, rhythmbox
[03:57] <j-rock_> libben: and gcc is about as standards compliant as compilers come, so don't worry
[03:57] <jorock> i have to admit ubuntu is faster than suse
[03:57] <seven_six_two> do you have gstreamer codecs installed?
[03:57] <seven_six_two> i think its gstreamer-flac
[03:57] <j-rock_> my left foot is faster than suse
[03:58] <kakalto> dcraven_, and if I dont have the ttf file?
[03:58] <milli> For an addicting game experience, install 'frozen-bubble'
[03:58] <kakalto> where do I apt-get it?
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> xine actually has radio1 built in
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:58] <LinuxJones> suse mandrake redhat = slow
[03:58] <dcraven_> kakalto, I dunno that.
[03:58] <andrewski> when i start up with gdm, does .bashrc get processed?
[03:58] <milli> andrewski: no, bash isn't running yet
[03:58] <samuel> seven_six_two, ill look at it, but i thought flac was lossless audio - not mp3
[03:58] <seven_six_two> wait a sec
[03:59] <blizah> thundrcleeze, there was a # resume in the config file
[03:59] <blizah> i just changed that
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> bah
[03:59] <andrewski> milli: hmm.  how can i add a login script to start with gdm?
[03:59] <blizah> thundrcleeze hope i did the right thing
[03:59] <geneo93> gstreamer0.8-mad is what you need for mp3's
[03:59] <libben> when logging into console mode... it tells me i have new mail..
[03:59] <libben> how to read it?
[03:59] <thundrcleeze> type mail
[03:59] <seven_six_two> samuel, gstreamer-mad
[04:00] <milli> andrewski: gdm is started by the rc scripts...  and brings up the X login screen...  am I missing something?
[04:00] <thundrcleeze> then type the number of the message you wish to read.
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> if I wanted to change the device in xine what would I change defualt to?
[04:00] <milli> andrewski: you shouldn't have to worry about gdm
[04:00] <milli> i.e., gdm is the Gnome greeter for X
[04:00] <andrewski> milli: when i login as user with gdm, does user's .bashrc get processed?
[04:00] <thundrcleeze> oh well, I'll do it after I reboot, assuming I get back into x
[04:00] <thundrcleeze> see you soon, blizah.
[04:01] <NeoCicak> i don't know why i always have trouble logging in to msn using gaim... always got "disconnected"...
[04:01] <LinuxJones> milli, gnome-session-properties
[04:01] <kakalto> arg!
[04:01] <NeoCicak> anyone experienced this as well?
[04:01] <kakalto> I have no apostraphe
[04:01] <kakalto> I doesn have an apostraphe
[04:01] <seven_six_two> NeoCicak, no. i have no problems
[04:01] <milli> andrewski: the .bashrc doesn't get processed will you crank up a shell, provided /bin/bash is your shell (it is the default)
[04:02] <LinuxJones> NeoCicak, MS are always messing about with the protocols to make it hard for OSS to connect
[04:02] <blizah> heh k
[04:02] <milli> andrewski: will -> till
[04:02] <whiskers> metalkaos, there are several linux tv apps but most of them require certain video tuner hardware
[04:02] <kakalto> can anyone help?
[04:02] <NeoCicak> OSS?
[04:02] <Krys^> NeoCicak, i've had the problems, but.. it went away with an updated version of gaim
[04:02] <PacoBCN> dammit, more than 24 hours with no pack to update... I'm getting nervous!
[04:02] <PacoBCN> I want to upgrade!
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> damn
[04:02] <whiskers> metalkaos, they are not too flexible on the choices
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> the ndiswrapper package isn't in
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> not that it matter
[04:02] <LinuxJones> PacoBCN, you are upgraded :)
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> the damn thing panics my kernel :/
[04:02] <ctrlER> shine is giving me: [mpeg4 @ 0xb68da998] vop not coded
[04:02] <ctrlER> and ther is no sound
[04:02] <andrewski> milli: ok, thanks.  .bash_profile gets processed then?
[04:02] <ctrlER> ca anyone help?
[04:02] <ctrlER> *can
[04:03] <milli> andrewski: Start up a shell, then 'cat /etc/profile'
[04:03] <milli> andrewski: Follow the trail...  ;-)
[04:03] <PacoBCN> LinuxJones, I'm used to upgrade packs more than once a day
[04:03] <PacoBCN> :(
[04:03] <PacoBCN> and now... silence
[04:03] <kakalto> anyone? please?
[04:03] <LinuxJones> PacoBCN, times they are a'changing (for a few weeks anyway) :)
[04:04] <LinuxJones> PacoBCN, Breezy will probably startup in a few weeks :D
[04:04] <dcraven_> kakalto, you have no apostrophe?
[04:04] <kakalto> yeah
[04:04] <ky0nce> nathan: go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions regarding your earlier question on ntfs partitions. Worked for me.
[04:04] <kakalto> I have no apostraphe
[04:04] <kakalto> it doesnt type
[04:04] <milli> andrewski: (p.s., you may have to modify your local .bash_profile to source the .bashrc...)
[04:04] <PacoBCN> LinuxJones, in that case I'll format and reinstall everything
[04:05] <dcraven_> kakalto, is your keyboard layout right in System->Preferences->Keyboard?
[04:05] <LinuxJones> PacoBCN, just upgrade dude
[04:05] <kakalto> dcraven_, I use kde
[04:05] <Obsidians> I'm trying to download the kubuntu-desktop package, and it seems to be stuck on the last file, 157 of 157. The download rate is "unknown", and there's nothing in the little box with the show progress thing.
[04:05] <dcraven_> kakalto, ...
[04:05] <scottj> anyone using gmailfs?
[04:05] <whiskers> metalkaos, here is one example
[04:05] <whiskers> http://users.actcom.co.il/~nahshon/linux-tv.html
[04:05] <eruin> gmailfs?
[04:05] <kakalto> dcraven_, #kubuntu wont help me
[04:05] <whiskers> metalkaos, but there are many others
[04:05] <kakalto> dcraven_, please help?
[04:06] <kakalto> if you can?
[04:06] <whiskers> metalkaos, but the hardware choices are limited
[04:06] <spanglesontoast> I love xine
[04:06] <dcraven_> kakalto, can you find keyboard settings anywhere in KDE?
[04:06] <Krys^> my mac's in the mail!!!
[04:06] <kakalto> dcraven_, yeah, but it says nothing
[04:06] <LinuxJones> Obsidians, the servers are overloaded ctrl + c to cancel and do it again
[04:06] <Riddell> Obsidians: control-c  and run the command again (starts where it was stopped)
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> yeah!! I gave out 4 copies of Ubuntu 5.04 today... bootable and install
[04:06] <spanglesontoast> you waste money krys
[04:06] <thundrcleeze> that was an easy upgrade.
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> what for free nomaster?
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> I burned a copy each of the live and install Hoary Hedgehog to give to friends...
[04:07] <whiskers> metalkaos, but anyway all that stuff is just for people who want to rip all the commercial cable programs and distribute them for free over the internet
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> all windows users
[04:07] <kakalto> yaya
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> did you tell them it doesn't support all audio with a subwoofer and center speaker?
[04:07] <kakalto> dcraven_, I found it
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:07] <kakalto> stupid US keymap
[04:07] <moeru> ok..I think I got captive installed...but the mounts have nothing in them >_<
[04:07] <whiskers> metalkaos, so i don't bother with it
[04:08] <dcraven_> kakalto, good.
[04:08] <kakalto> thanks anyway
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> it looks nice and seems to  perform well on my old Dell 7500 laptop
[04:08] <r33tfux0r> heya
[04:08] <r33tfux0r> =)
[04:08] <thundrcleeze> yep, too easy.
[04:08] <moeru> anyone got an idea?
[04:08] <thundrcleeze> I'll try again.
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> and that is coming from someone who uses suse ... mostly
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> how much would you say xchat takes up in bandwidth?
[04:09] <r33tfux0r> is there a way to add mp3 support? i just installed 5.04  and i cant seem to locate the modules i think i need ><
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> moeru, the NTFS?
[04:09] <manawyddan> hi, there, i've just installed Ubuntu, and i have a few questions.
[04:09] <r33tfux0r> spangle, bearly anything
[04:09] <moeru> YEAH
[04:09] <moeru> err..yeah
[04:09] <LinuxJones> manawyddan, go ahead :)
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> I just want this goddamn file lol
[04:10] <thundrcleeze> r33tfux0r: check ubuntuguide.org for some userful startup info
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> moeru, you're trying to read from the NTFS parts? not write i hope
[04:10] <thundrcleeze> er...useful.
[04:10] <r33tfux0r> thundr, thank you very much
[04:10] <zenwhen> spanglesontoast, mere bytes a second
[04:10] <manawyddan> the first time i tried the instalation i couldn't sign in as root...does anyone the reason?
[04:10] <Jujimufu> sudo su
[04:10] <spanglesontoast> kk
[04:11] <Jujimufu> manawyddan, type sudo su instead of just su in terminal
[04:11] <LinuxJones> manawyddan, the root account is disabled use sudo
[04:11] <ctrlER> shine is giving me: [mpeg4 @ 0xb68da998] vop not coded
[04:11] <LinuxJones> manawyddan, enter YOUR user password and voila
[04:11] <spanglesontoast> just wondering is it more safe having sudo?
[04:11] <ctrlER> and there is no sound
[04:11] <dcraven_> r33tfux0r, http://tinyurl.com/5p8oy
[04:11] <ctrlER> can anyone help?
[04:12] <LinuxJones> spanglesontoast, yeah you have more control over your users
[04:12] <manawyddan> thanks :-)
[04:12] <moeru> yeah, just wantin to read right now
[04:12] <moeru> I have 2 mounts labeled Captive-Mpeg1 and Captive-mpeg2
[04:12] <moeru> Both are empty. I hopefully patched and started using the proper kernel
[04:12] <moeru> and I'm getting odd lagbursts on my connection to boot >_<
[04:12] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[04:12] <spanglesontoast> and they do too?
[04:12] <paolo> Hi guys! Is it possible to write a bootable cd with nautilus-cd-burner? thank you!
[04:12] <dcraven_> manawyddan, http://tinyurl.com/5jash for more info.
[04:13] <manawyddan> is there any particular reason for the root acount to be disabled?
[04:13] <seven_six_two> paolo, no i don't think so. there are utilities to do it
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> moeru: are logged in sudo?
[04:13] <dcraven_> manawyddan, see URL.
[04:13] <sockler> anyone know of some good *free* ftp hosts?
[04:13] <moeru> just been usin sudo before commands
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> manawyddan: yes, security
[04:13] <MarcN> manawyddan, safety.  You won't be tempted to always run as root.
[04:13] <moeru> logged in, checked one, still nothin
[04:14] <FenixRF> dcraven, I honestly give up
[04:14] <dcraven> FenixRF, bah!
[04:14] <paolo> seven_six_two: what?
[04:14] <manawyddan> thanks for the info.
[04:15] <seven_six_two> try looking at   www.google.com/linux
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> moeru: GO INTO www.pastebin.com and paste the contents... of fdisk -l
[04:15] <moeru> k
[04:15] <FenixRF> dcraven, I'll try it with hoary
[04:16] <moeru> K, posted
[04:16] <dcraven_> FenixRF, I thought you were in Hoary.
[04:16] <timothy> hey, i'm having trouble setting up dvd playback capabilities with hoary. It was working with warty and then I upgraded by changing sources.list and now i'm having issues
[04:16] <FenixRF> dcraven, nope... wharty :)
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> ok, looking
[04:16] <FenixRF> or whatever it's called
[04:16] <timothy> the errors are: libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access
[04:16] <timothy> libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd
[04:16] <timothy> No such file or directory
[04:16] <timothy> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access
[04:16] <timothy> libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd
[04:16] <timothy> No such file or directory
[04:16] <seven_six_two> paolo,    http://www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/LiveCD.html
[04:16] <dcraven_> FenixRF, well you upgrade tout suite!
[04:16] <manawyddan> the other question i have(and you will problably going to kill me for this :-D) is: can i mount an ntfs partition under hoary?
[04:16] <whiskers> timothy, create a symlink
[04:16] <Jujimufu> How many people use an obscene amount of key board short cuts?
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> moeru: and now do your '/etc/fstab'
[04:17] <FenixRF> dcraven, waiting for the DL to finish
[04:17] <seven_six_two> timothy, create a symlink from your hd* to /dev/dvd
[04:17] <MarcN> Jujimufu, I usually live in emacs.  does that count?
[04:17] <Jujimufu> sure
[04:17] <timothy> seven_six_two: sorry, but how can I go about doing that?
[04:17] <moeru> done
[04:17] <seven_six_two> timothy, what is your device called?
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:18] <whiskers> timothy, first of all you better check if its legal because the info i have on you is that you are near Ohio in the US
[04:18] <seven_six_two> if its ide, it should be hd and a number
[04:18] <FenixRF> nomasteryoda, would have been nice if he pasted the link before he left :)
[04:18] <ky0nce> /dev/hdc normally
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> what link?
[04:18] <FenixRF> pastebin
[04:18] <timothy> seven_six_two: either /dev/hdd or /dev/hdc
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> www.pastebin.com
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> and the username
[04:18] <seven_six_two> ok, well you need to know which
[04:18] <blizah> do i have to reinstall plugins to play mp3 files after upgrading to hoary?
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> moeru: did you just try using ntfs instead
[04:19] <FenixRF> nomasteryoda, wasn't he pasting something in there ... on fdisk for ya :)
[04:19] <moeru> not yet..just realized that one..
[04:19] <moeru> *blinks*
[04:19] <whiskers> timothy, not that i am going to put you in jail...but if I can know these things so can the government
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> FenixRF: yes... i pointed him to the site
[04:19] <FenixRF> tonight
[04:19] <FenixRF> yeesh
[04:19] <FenixRF> I should quit while I'm still ahead :)
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:19] <seven_six_two> timothy, put a cd in and try mounting it manuallyu
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> been in the gin?
[04:19] <FenixRF> actually, I'm behind... but who cares righ tnow :)
[04:20] <blizah> hrm do i have to install all my audio plugins agian?...mp3s will not play
[04:20] <seven_six_two> sudo mount hdc /mnt/dvd
[04:20] <blizah> (just upgraded to hoary)
[04:20] <seven_six_two> sudo mount /dev/hdc /mnt/dvd
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> i just thought i'd jump in and lend a hand... seeing as I'm also seeding all the bittorrenting for the new ubuntus
[04:20] <moeru> is there a way I can rerun fstab
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> yes...
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> mount -a
[04:21] <moeru> bless you ^^l
[04:21] <whiskers> nomasteryoda, i just hope people don't get theirselves in a lot of trouble with this stuff
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> nah
[04:21] <seven_six_two> timothy, if it mounts from hdc, the command is:
[04:21] <seven_six_two> cd into /dev
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> whiskers: they will be far better off moving to Ubuntu than staying with windows
[04:21] <moeru> nothin
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:22] <Quenyar> just installed Hoary, very nice, but it only gave me 800x600 and 640x480 screen resolution. How do I configure high screen resolutions?
[04:22] <seven_six_two> sudo ln -s ./hdc dvd
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> moeru: look at the '/etc/mtab' too
[04:22] <Quenyar> it also didn't prompt me to select anything
[04:22] <whiskers> nomasteryoda, well at least with windows...they have paid for all the codecs and encryption technologies so they aren't as likely to go to jail
[04:22] <moeru> not even listed
[04:22] <blizah> what package to i install to be able to play mp3s?
[04:22] <blizah> do i
[04:23] <moeru> that would be my issue =p
[04:23] <blizah> mpeglib?
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> whiskers: if I go to jail for watching movies I paid for then lots of luck to them... it will be all over the web
[04:23] <seven_six_two> blizah, with rhythmbox?
[04:23] <blizah> yea
[04:23] <seven_six_two> blizah, gstreamer-mad
[04:23] <timothy> seven_six_two: ok, i did that
[04:23] <wulfy814> so I'm new to ubuntu, coming from Xandros and having a heck of a time configure dual monitors (twinview nvidia pci )
[04:23] <whiskers> nomasteryoda, there already are disaster stories all over the web
[04:23] <Quenyar> blizah xmms
[04:23] <whiskers> nomasteryoda, you would just be one more
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> yea, i know
[04:23] <seven_six_two> that should do it
[04:23] <wulfy814> I followed the directions I found in the forums
[04:23] <timothy> seven_six_two: ok, that seemed to fix it
[04:23] <seven_six_two> do whatever you were doing
[04:23] <blizah> no for rhythmbox
[04:23] <wulfy814> and the xorg.conf I edited loads, but second screen is blank
[04:23] <wulfy814> I have installed the nvidia drivers
[04:23] <blizah> gstreamer-mad makes rhythmbox play mp3s?
[04:23] <timothy> whiskers: what is the legal issue?
[04:24] <moeru> should be able to add /dev/hdb1 / ntfs rw, errors=remount -ro 0 0 right?
[04:24] <seven_six_two> yes
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> i know some one person that would make a difference and she works for the DOJ ...
[04:24] <blizah> k tnx seven
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> moeru: only r
[04:24] <moeru> k
[04:24] <thundrcleeze> why does rhythmbox like to buffer endlessly streams, especially shoutcast streams?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> ro
[04:24] <seven_six_two> np
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> let me look at my archives.... before I deleted windows
[04:24] <MMond> My floppy drive doesn't seem to be working  . . . ;\ I've a rather old laptop, (Toshina Satellite, 4015CDT) where can I begin to tackle this problem?
[04:24] <regeya> because rhythmbox is awesome like that
[04:25] <moeru> erp..got 2 bad lines in mtab..^^;
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:25] <seven_six_two> google
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> ..... sec
[04:25] <seven_six_two> lol
[04:25] <seven_six_two> sorry
[04:25] <regeya> the first rule about gnome problems is that we do not discuss gnome problems
[04:25] <moeru> specifically the 2 lines I just added
[04:25] <wulfy814> no twinview love out there?
[04:26] <zenwhen> wulfy814, i use twinview
[04:26] <j-rock_> i have twinview working perfectly
[04:26] <seven_six_two> the best place to start tackling a problem, is with google
[04:26] <j-rock_> hiya zenwhen
[04:26] <whieber> why not use kaffiene
[04:26] <zenwhen> hi there
[04:27] <wulfy814> zenwhen: anything tricky to setting it up?
[04:27] <j-rock_> wulfy814: just go through nvidia's readme file and it's cake
[04:27] <zenwhen> not a lot
[04:27] <zenwhen> in a moment I can upload my config so you can have a look
[04:29] <kakalto> how do I get japanese input working?
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> moeru: look at my pastebin
[04:29] <blizah> seven_six_two, i try to play mp3s i still get an error saying there is no plugin installed to handle an mp3 file
[04:29] <whieber> Anyone here ever use yoper
[04:29] <blizah> note: these are mp3s on a windows harddrive..dunno if that matters
[04:29] <kakalto> does firefox depend on gtk?
[04:29] <moeru> that goes in mtab?
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[04:30] <spanglesontoast> nope
[04:30] <spanglesontoast> shouldn't matter
[04:30] <kakalto> ?
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> in fstab
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> that is what i used before
[04:31] <moeru> says they're mounted now
[04:31] <nicasmic> Is someone able to help me with a problem installing ubuntu warty warthog?
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:31] <whieber> what was your handle there?
[04:31] <kakalto> anyone?
[04:31] <whieber> nomasteryoda?
[04:31] <PacoBCN> nicasmic, someone will soon tell you to install hoary now that is official
[04:32] <kbrooks> hoary released
[04:32] <wulfy814> j-rock_ : ok cake, I can only get one monitor to come up
[04:32] <^thehatsrule^> O.o!
[04:32] <moeru> 1 sec
[04:32] <kbrooks> now i am updating it
[04:32] <wulfy814> I've compared my xorg.conf to the example a dozen times
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> nomasteryoda
[04:32] <j-rock_> wulfy814: i think i have my twinview config in the ubuntuforums somewhere
[04:32] <whieber> when did you leave? Nomasteryoda
[04:32] <kakalto> is firefox on gtk?
[04:33] <akk> Sort of.  It uses gtk for some things but not for widgets.
[04:33] <j-rock_> wulfy814: it took me an hour to figure out what my problem was the first time i tried to get it going, it was a spelling error on my part
[04:33] <kakalto> akk
[04:33] <nicasmic> thanks paco.. im guessing that everyone jamming the download mirrors for it so ill hold off for now.
[04:33] <kakalto> heh, woops
[04:33] <darmou> will there be beagle packages for ubuntu?
[04:33] <jdub_> kakalto: mozilla has always rendered via gtk/gdk, our firefox supports gtk+ widget themes, and gnome integration
[04:33] <j-rock_> who doesnt use BT for iso's
[04:33] <j-rock_> seriously
[04:33] <j-rock_> come on
[04:33] <moeru> woot ^^ 1 of 'em works now
[04:33] <moeru> yay! ^^ both work
[04:33] <wulfy814> j-rock_: ok - is the only section I have to modify the Screen one?
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> nice
[04:34] <PacoBCN> nicasmic, you can torrent it
[04:34] <j-rock_> wulfy814: yup
[04:34] <^thehatsrule^> i dont use bt :/
[04:34] <PacoBCN> bt is very easy to use
[04:34] <wulfy814> j-rock_: driving me nuts then
[04:34] <PacoBCN> just install a couple of packages
[04:34] <wulfy814> the log is showing
[04:35] <wulfy814> (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1600x1200,1600x1200"
[04:35] <wulfy814> (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1600x1200,1600x1200"
[04:35] <wulfy814> as it's last two lines
[04:35] <wulfy814> shouldn't it also have NVIDIA(1)
[04:36] <darmou> I have seen installing beagle on ubuntu but it is a shame there is no ubuntu packages
[04:36] <j-rock_> wulfy814: no, nvidia(0) is your card device in /dev iirc i think i know your problem though
[04:36] <Jet2k5> is there an online update for ubuntu/
[04:36] <j-rock_> lemme check
[04:36] <SGC|Home> anyone know how to get the tuner module loaded by bttv to specify type=17 ?
[04:36] <Jet2k5> I couldn't find oe
[04:36] <nicasmic> can anyone help with what seems a simple problem with installing warty worthog? :)
[04:36] <SGC|Home> without a modprobe.conf file I'm kind of having trouble figuring out where to put that
[04:36] <LinuxJones> darmou, beagle requires mono
[04:37] <dcraven> Jet2k5, you want to upgrade from warty?
[04:37] <Jet2k5> yeah
[04:37] <seven_six_two> system / administration / ubuntu update manager
[04:37] <Jet2k5> I downloaded the ISO but don't have blank cd's :(
[04:37] <dcraven> Jet2k5, 	http://tinyurl.com/5sqos
[04:37] <kbrooks> seven_six_two, no no no
[04:37] <whieber> sorry to bother noyodamaster
[04:37] <kbrooks> seven_six_two, only hoary has it
[04:37] <Jet2k5> is it supported by ubuntuy?
[04:37] <seven_six_two> no no no?  aah
[04:37] <j-rock_> wulfy814: whats your metamodes line look like?
[04:37] <Jet2k5> last thing I want is to hose my system
[04:38] <kbrooks> Jet2k5, ubuntu update manager isnt even in warty
[04:38] <wulfy814> j-rock_: Option          "MetaModes" "1600x1200, 1600x1200; 1600x1200, 1600x1200;"
[04:38] <kbrooks> Jet2k5, use synaptic
[04:38] <dcraven> Jet2k5, define "supported". It's on their wiki and many have done it.
[04:38] <SuperQ> spanglesontoast: I have one, but she lives with me
[04:38] <spanglesontoast> lol
[04:38] <darmou> Yes and there IS mono packages LinuxJones
[04:38] <spanglesontoast> I mean't like you know
[04:38] <Jet2k5> ah, well it's on their official website :-)
[04:38] <SuperQ> spanglesontoast: pr0n?
[04:38] <Jet2k5> wish me luck
[04:38] <seven_six_two> ooh. i think i have hoary. i didn't think i did it
[04:38] <spanglesontoast> nope clothed but sexy women
[04:39] <darmou> there IS mono packages but no beagle packages
[04:39] <spanglesontoast> peeps look at my machine
[04:39] <eduardo> Hi folks. Quick question. All I want is X (no kde, gnome), GCC, emacs, and firefox. Only have 1.5gb hard drive. Will ubuntu let me install the bare necessities I need and not alot of other crap i dont have space for?
[04:39] <LinuxJones> darmou, mono is a POS :)
[04:39] <whieber> Anyone here a Ubuntu developer?
[04:39] <darmou> POS?
[04:39] <foodcoman> Would anyone be able to msg me a link on how to install .debs from download specifically libdvdcss.......?
[04:39] <j-rock_> wulfy814: which section of your xorg.conf were you adding this to?
[04:40] <LinuxJones> darmou, Piece O' Shite
[04:40] <Arnia> LinuxJones: why?
[04:40] <kerframil> foodcoman: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[04:40] <dcraven> darka, this what you are lookin' for? --> http://tinyurl.com/4l3zh
[04:40] <wulfy814> j-rock_: Section "Screen"
[04:40] <SuperQ> I guess when I see random-sexy-woman on people's desktops.. I don't think "cool"
[04:40] <kbrooks> eduardo, yes. just cancel out of base-confg when it comes to an apt configuration
[04:40] <LinuxJones> Arnia, it's a trap
[04:40] <SuperQ> but that's a personal opinion
[04:40] <seven_six_two> lol. i read about a woman's foray into developing. she got ripped a new one for using mono
[04:40] <dcraven> You're a trap.
[04:40] <kbrooks> eduardo, X: dpkg -l | grep xserver
[04:40] <j-rock_> wulfy814: you need to add all that twinview stuff to [Section "device"] 
[04:40] <LinuxJones> dcraven, yeah I am
[04:40] <dcraven> heh
[04:40] <darmou> LinuxJones my company is using mono for cross platform development
[04:41] <siimo> yay just done installing hoary
[04:41] <kbrooks> gcc: apt-get install gcc
[04:41] <SuperQ> siimo: congrats!
[04:41] <Arnia> ECMA is a trap?
[04:41] <eduardo> kbrooks - I have never used Debian or Ubuntu... Is this going to make sense to me? Or am I going to have to come back here asking every little thing?
[04:41] <kbrooks> emacs: apt-get install emacs
[04:41] <LinuxJones> darmou, I hope you have great success with it
[04:41] <seven_six_two> eduardo, what do you use?
[04:41] <darmou> If I need to develop for windows would like to do so from a linux platform like ubuntu
[04:41] <j-rock_> wulfy814: join #flood and i'll show you
[04:41] <siimo> nice meaty desktop! => http://www3.150m.com/screenshots/hoary-hedgehog-5.04.png
[04:41] <eduardo> seven_six_two: Fedora and Puppy Linux ;-)
[04:41] <darmou> thanks LinuxJones\
[04:41] <Zotnix> Is there a way to see what speed your AGP slot is?
[04:41] <Dr_Aevil> eduardo: at the very start of the install there is the option to go for "server" (unless the very latest installer has changed this) type that in, and it will install the min
[04:41] <LinuxJones> Arnia, no patents are a trap
[04:41] <Zotnix> Like 4x or 8x?
[04:41] <kbrooks> firefox: apt-get install firefox
[04:42] <eduardo> Dr_Aevil - and then everything else is just apt-get
[04:42] <seven_six_two> oh it shouldn't be too bad
[04:42] <eduardo> ?
[04:42] <McQuaid> why have a seperate live cd and install cd? couldn't one do it all
[04:42] <whieber> too many packages
[04:42] <SuperQ> McQuaid: not really
[04:42] <darmou> LinuxJones it was either that or python, and was not sure python was going to be good for an enterprise level product.
[04:42] <Jet2k5> ok that did go well
[04:42] <Dr_Aevil> eduardo: well, the option of apt-get is not removed of course :)
[04:42] <Jet2k5> lol
[04:42] <wulfy814> j-rock_: I'm there
[04:42] <eduardo> OK I'll try
[04:42] <SuperQ> McQuaid: debian distributes with package files, a live CD is pre-un-packed
[04:42] <seven_six_two> it was easier than debian
[04:42] <Jet2k5> umm did I mention I don't have a cd
[04:42] <McQuaid> i say this cause i think it would be nice to give out the live cd to friends and if they like it they can go and install it
[04:42] <Arnia> LinuxJones: Last I checked that aside from an easily decoupled extension library Mono sticks to the ECMA specs and ECMA have strict requirements over patents IIRC
[04:42] <eduardo> cuz I couldn't get a Fedora install of under 500 mb using the installer
[04:42] <Jet2k5> I said an Online install update?
[04:42] <SuperQ> McQuaid: debian/ubuntu
[04:43] <LinuxJones> darmou, dude there is nothing wrong with Python, anything to do with .net is frought with danger :)
[04:43] <McQuaid> how do other live cd's pull it off then, like knoppix morphix etc
[04:43] <whieber> Yoper does it on one cd installs in 5 minutes
[04:43] <kbrooks> Python RULES.
[04:43] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, that was quick!
[04:43] <SuperQ> McQuaid: they take the live un-packed packages, and just copy the files to your drive
[04:43] <SuperQ> McQuaid: it's kinda hackish
[04:43] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: umm well I didn't do it
[04:43] <Jet2k5> lol
[04:43] <j-rock_> its in wulfy814
[04:43] <McQuaid> morhpix actually has it's own gtk2 installer just by clicking on the panel when booted off the live cd wihich thought was nice
[04:43] <Jet2k5> IFailed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[04:43] <eduardo> Dr_Aevil: so are you telling me to download the entire ISO but the install from "server" anyway? Is there a better way?
[04:43] <Jet2k5> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[04:43] <Jet2k5> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:44] <Jet2k5> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[04:44] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, oh. heh
[04:44] <seven_six_two> McQuaid, there's lots of docs on the net on how to do it
[04:44] <Jet2k5> that's what I'm getting
[04:44] <regeya> kbrooks: ruby!  *runs*
[04:44] <kbrooks> Jet2k5, NO PASTING
[04:44] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: I'm looking for an online update
[04:44] <Jet2k5> yeay yeah
[04:44] <j-rock_> got it wulfy814 ?
[04:44] <kbrooks> Python and Ruby rule, regeya. Happy?
[04:44] <Dr_Aevil> eduardo: I don't know if it's possible to do a netinst for ubuntu.  You can do so with debian though.
[04:44] <dcraven> Jet2k5, you can lose the warty backports repos from your sources.list I bet.
[04:44] <wulfy814> j-rock_: yeah thanks restarting x now
[04:44] <eduardo> whats the advantage of ubuntu over debian, ayway?
[04:44] <regeya> kbrooks: indeed I am. :-)
[04:44] <dcraven> Jet2k5, comment those out and try again.
[04:45] <Jet2k5> and this shall update it to warty?
[04:45] <seven_six_two> eduardo, the install is much less painful...much much less
[04:45] <MMond> My floppy drive doesn't seem to be working  . . . ;\ I've a rather old laptop, (Toshina Satellite, 4015CDT) where can I begin to tackle this problem?
[04:45] <Jet2k5> hmm, where is the apt-get config thingy for the mirrors
[04:45] <regeya> kbrooks: had they been more popular during my college years, I'd probably be coding for a living instead of working at a newspaper
[04:45] <dcraven> Jet2k5, you looked at the URL I gave you right?
[04:45] <Jet2k5> dcraven: yes
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> crappy turbotax - intuit
[04:45] <Dr_Aevil> eduardo: ubuntu is much more desktop orientated, for servers debian is fine
[04:45] <Jet2k5> but I don't have the " cd "
[04:45] <whieber> mount floppy
[04:45] <Dr_Aevil> seven_six_two: are you talking about the sarge or woody install?
[04:45] <Jet2k5> I don't have any blank cd's to burn the ISO to
[04:45] <dcraven> Jet2k5, that method requires a CD?
[04:45] <vln004> i'm in love with ubuntu
[04:46] <seven_six_two> 3.0r4
[04:46] <vln004> where can i find information about customizing gnome?
[04:46] <regeya> bloody stupid progression through turbo pascal then dumped into the middle of c++ while being forced to learn a couple dozen esoteric "elegant" languages
[04:46] <darmou> Arnia which do you prefer?
[04:46] <LinuxJones> eduardo, reliable release schedules. support for 18 months, great support community, and nice folks :)
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> gnome.org
[04:46] <Jet2k5> dcraven: sorry! stupid /me didn't scroll down :)
[04:46] <Dr_Aevil> seven_six_two: I see.  You do realise the ubuntu installer is the sarge installer basically?
[04:46] <cameron> has anyone been successful at burning the ppc liveCD using Mac OS X 10.3.8?  The Disk Utility crashes for me when I select the .iso.  I can mount it, however.
[04:46] <andrewski> if i want to use a package from debian (unavailable in ubuntu), should i add a debian repository or download the package and install locally?
[04:46] <vln004> are there any third party sites besides gnome.org?
[04:46] <Jet2k5> dcraven: which method I'm I going to use?
[04:46] <regeya> it's a wonder I didn't turn into a raging alcoholic
[04:46] <kbrooks> Dr_Aevil, Wrong
[04:46] <Jet2k5> dcraven: Trough Synaptic Package Manger?
[04:47] <seven_six_two> yes i heard. i was speaking from personal exp...what is 3.0r4? woody?
[04:47] <kbrooks> Dr_Aevil, sid > sarge
[04:47] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, sure.. Method 2 and 3 look identical to me.
[04:47] <Jet2k5> k
[04:47] <Dr_Aevil> kbrooks: when I insstalled warty it was basically an image of sarge
[04:47] <Jet2k5> it will do
[04:47] <Jet2k5> brb them
[04:47] <jdub_> vln004: gnome-look.org, art.gnome.org...
[04:47] <Jet2k5> bah I'll stay in here
[04:47] <Dr_Aevil> kbrooks: yes, I know that, but sarge will use that installer
[04:47] <whieber> does klick work with ubuntu?
[04:47] <Dr_Aevil> kbrooks: an image of sid anyway
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> moeru: you still around
[04:48] <Dr_Aevil> kbrooks: it's only with hoary that some real differences have started to emerge
[04:48] <jdub_> whieber: not really, but there'll be something like it available soon
[04:48] <moeru> yup
[04:48] <regeya> cameron:  I'd use cdrecord if I were you; you can get it through fink or there are a few packages floating about...google for 'cdrecord os x' and you can find both packages and proper command-line options
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> congrats on getting it working
[04:48] <andrewski> whieber: what's klick?
[04:48] <Arnia> darmou: They're good at different things... I wouldn't write a description logic reasoner in python, for example (nor in C#) simply because it is best expressed in a functional language (such as Nemerle)
[04:48] <moeru> thank you ^^ couldn't have done it without you
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> wife called with stupid turbotax problems
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> np
[04:48] <whieber> klick lets you run packages without installing them
[04:48] <thundrcleeze> is that supported?
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> whieber: nice
[04:49] <Dr_Aevil> seven_six_two: yes, that's woody
[04:49] <whieber> I was incorporating it to Yoper but I know it works with knoppix
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> now we have a way to test viruses and trojans on linux!! W00t!
[04:49] <darmou> cya all
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:49] <Arnia> darmou: The main benefit of the CLI is the fact that it has been designed by some of the greatest programming language theorists in the world
[04:49] <whieber> Not possible to virusnit
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> i know
[04:49] <seven_six_two> ah ok. thats the one i don't like much
[04:50] <seven_six_two> too many hours to set it up, and still no X
[04:50] <kbrooks> I want to Glade.
[04:50] <whieber> Yeah some of my apps could be called viruses
[04:50] <wulfy814> j-rock_: no love
[04:50] <Dr_Aevil> it just is a bit annoying when people are saying "ubuntu is so easy to install etc" when you could, indeed would have been using the new debian installer for ages now if you had any sense.  No one installs stable any more
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:50] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: bah I just erased all the sources and added the ones in the code box
[04:50] <jdub_> whieber: no, klik is just an installer interface - you still need to install them
[04:50] <kbrooks> What package name?
[04:50] <dcraven> Jet2k5, that's fine.
[04:50] <whieber> you can run the apps installer is just one feature
[04:50] <andrewski> Dr_Aevil: is the debian installer good?
[04:50] <Jet2k5> dcraven: this won't remove anything correct?
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> that is why i love the live ubuntu... smooth... now to hack qemu into one
[04:50] <jdub_> Dr_Aevil: our installer is quite different to the debian one
[04:50] <Jet2k5> I'm running a server at home, on this very same computer
[04:50] <j-rock_> wulfy814: whats the error
[04:50] <Jet2k5> so I don't want to re-install everything again
[04:51] <dcraven> Jet2k5, probably not. I've never done this.
[04:51] <wulfy814> no error just one monitor
[04:51] <PacoBCN> Is anyone from the forum present?
[04:51] <seven_six_two> erm...i see. i figured stable was safe. i discovered after that they are way behind
[04:51] <SavvyPlayer> sid -> hoary = debiantu?
[04:51] <Dr_Aevil> jdub_: in warty? wasn't there just fewer questions?
[04:51] <wulfy814> would you mind pasting in flood again
[04:51] <dcraven> Jet2k5, I cn't imagine why it would though :)
[04:51] <] BreliC[> what is the deal with no root?
[04:51] <] BreliC[> i'm trying to mount my network drives, and it's not working properly
[04:51] <wulfy814> I'll compare one again and make sure I didn't fat finger it
[04:51] <seven_six_two> ] BreliC[, sudo
[04:51] <SavvyPlayer> so what's up with breezy?
[04:51] <huhe> you can also "sudo su"
[04:52] <LinuxJones> jdub, the dev team must be feeling like (weary) champions right about now :)
[04:52] <andrewski> SavvyPlayer: not begun yet as far as i could tell... didn't work to sync.
[04:52] <seven_six_two> i just activated root account
[04:52] <] BreliC[> what is the su paswd? just the user pswd?
[04:52] <nicasmic> whats a bittorrent link for hoary hedgehog?
[04:52] <huhe> yes
[04:52] <wulfy814> j-rock_: (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to find mode "1600x1200" for display device 1 in
[04:52] <wulfy814> (WW) NVIDIA(0):      MetaMode "1600x1200,1600x1200"
[04:52] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, 	http://tinyurl.com/5jash
[04:52] <Krys^^> ] BreliC[, why is it not working?
[04:52] <Jet2k5> dcraven: if I do .... that freaking sucks
[04:52] <Jet2k5> lol
[04:53] <kbrooks> is there a pkg for glade
[04:53] <Jet2k5> but /me loves re-installing Linux
[04:53] <] BreliC[> dcraven, thanks, reading it now
[04:53] <j-rock_> hmm
[04:53] <kbrooks> anyone
[04:53] <jdub_> Dr_Aevil: and a few other handy changes, even more in hoary - but it's not just the installer process that gets people raving
[04:53] <] BreliC[> Krys^, not sure, i have a nfs mount script that is not working properly with sudo
[04:53] <blizah> if i installed mplayer by myself under warty, how do i get it off...cant find it in synaptic
[04:53] <jdub_> kbrooks: apt-cache search glade
[04:53] <jdub_> kbrooks: install the gnome version
[04:53] <dcraven> nicasmic, http://tinyurl.com/6xsdw
[04:53] <Jet2k5> 1 of 801?!?
[04:53] <Jet2k5> damn
[04:53] <Jet2k5> lol
[04:54] <Krys^^> hmm.. i donno anything about scripts lol
[04:54] <dcraven> Jet2k5, big differences.
[04:54] <Dr_Aevil> jdub_: yee, I know, I've used both.  I just hope not too much wind is taken out of debians sails whenever sarge is let out of the crypt :)
[04:54] <Jet2k5> dcraven: what command do I run to make sure that I have hoary?
[04:54] <Jet2k5> dcraven: or dist release
[04:54] <kbrooks> jdub_,  i dont know which to dl. shall i use regular expressions to filter the output
[04:54] <dcraven> Jet2k5, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade... When nothing happens, you're done.
[04:55] <kbrooks> Jet2k5, cat /etc/issue
[04:55] <kakalto> how do I get konqueror to display flash?
[04:55] <dcraven> kbrooks, nice. Didn't know that one.
[04:55] <MrParker> heya guys
[04:55] <kakalto> is there a flashplayer-konqueror
[04:55] <kbrooks> dcraven, :)
[04:55] <jdubFest> Jet2k5: cat /etc/lsb-release
[04:56] <kbrooks> kyle@kyle:~ $  cat /etc/issue
[04:56] <kbrooks> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[04:56] <dcraven> jdub, yet another good one.
[04:56] <pharmd> can the Xchat irc be used like mIRC is for windows?
[04:56] <kbrooks> jdubFest, ping
[04:56] <jdubFest> i'm here
[04:56] <kbrooks> jdubFest,  i dont know which to dl. shall i use regular expressions to filter the output
[04:56] <jdubFest> dude
[04:56] <jdubFest> install the gnome one
[04:56] <blizah> seven_six_two, did ya get my msg i installed gstreamer and still get an error on mp3s
[04:56] <kakalto> anyone?
[04:57] <kakalto> please help?
[04:57] <dcraven> pharmd, what do you mean?
[04:57] <pharmd> using with www.packetnews.com
[04:57] <whieber> kakalto: try herehttp://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shockwave/flash/english/linux/7.0r25/install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[04:57] <seven_six_two> gstreamer-mad?
[04:57] <pharmd> to download files from sites such as packetnews.com or ircspy.com
[04:57] <blizah> ah shit i must have installed a diff. on
[04:57] <kbrooks> jdubFest, glade-gnome?
[04:57] <kakalto> whieber: already tried it
[04:57] <blizah> go figure
[04:57] <wulfy814> j-rock_: still around?
[04:57] <kakalto> it doesn't detect konqueror
[04:57] <dcraven> pharmd, I doubt it.. That website looks WIndowsy.
[04:58] <dcraven> :)
[04:58] <whieber> kakalto: what sis it do?
[04:58] <dcraven> pharmd, but I honestly don't know.
[04:58] <kakalto> it sees mozilla, but doesn't see konqueror
[04:58] <pharmd> cool
[04:58] <dcraven> phaedo, there may be a plugin? Check the xchat homepage.
[04:58] <whieber> you can use mozilla plugins in konq
[04:58] <kakalto> whieber: how do I configure konq to use mozilla plugins
[04:58] <kakalto> ?
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> just tell konq to search for them on startup
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> it does a good job of finding them
[04:59] <kakalto> is that in the options?
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> er, just sec
[05:00] <whieber> open konq, settings configure konq,plug ins, scan
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> Settings/Configure Konqueror/Plugins
[05:00] <whieber> thanks
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> Scan
[05:00] <Quenyar> My ubuntu Hoary installed with only 640 x 480 and 800 x 600 screen resolution. the xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 has many more choices, but I can't select anything more than 800 x 600.  Please help
[05:00] <Fackamato> np: Iron Maiden - Dance Of Death
[05:00] <Fackamato> :] 
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> and you can get exact and do it manually
[05:01] <dcraven_> Quenyar, can you paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf in www.pastebin.com?
[05:01] <majic12> is there a way to configure metacity to use wireframe moves on windows rather than opaque?
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> er,  there should be
[05:02] <jdubFest> majic12: there's a low resources mode you can turn on in gconf
[05:02] <daniels> jdubFest?
[05:02] <jdubFest> majic12: part of that is wireframe resize
[05:02] <majic12> ok
[05:02] <Mr_Donkers> Does anyone use a Cisco VPN Client 4.6?
[05:02] <jdubFest> daniels: random installfest in sydney
[05:02] <dcraven> majic12, gconf-editor... /apps/metacity/preferences/reduced_resources set that to true.
[05:02] <daniels> ahr
[05:02] <libben> I wish "$set | grep TERM" would say aterm on second line =)
[05:02] <Dreamer3> so is hoary out onw?
[05:02] <daniels> jdubFest: are you pimping hoary?
[05:02] <daniels> Dreamer3: it sure is
[05:02] <j-rock_> wulfy814: yeah just got back, paste your device section into #flood
[05:02] <Dreamer3> i'm having a problem installing hoary... my system say "no os found" now when i turn it on
[05:02] <christian> Can someone help me troubleshoot a small problem, I would like to see if warty is inconsistant on other peoples machine when changing the login screen
[05:03] <jdubFest> daniels: a little bit
[05:03] <jdubFest> daniels: but have lots of warty cds ;)
[05:03] <Krys^^> Anyone have ubuntu installed on a laptop? I'm having a PCMCIA device error when I try to upgrade/update..
[05:03] <majic12> dcraven, nice, thank you!
[05:03] <dcraven> majic, no problem.
[05:03] <majic12> I've been googling for 30 minutes on that
[05:03] <kbrooks> Dreamer3, erm
[05:04] <carthik> Krys^, I have ubuntu running on my laptop, but I dont know if i know enough to help you
[05:04] <Quenyar> dcraven - I think I did that, does it help?
[05:04] <christian> If you change the graphical greeter to "Human Circle of Friends" the preview pictures is a picture of three people, however when you log out...its the picure on the website of 5
[05:04] <dcraven> Quenyar, let me have a look.
[05:04] <christian> i mean it is not a bug but it is not consistant
[05:04] <Krys^^> okay
[05:04] <wulfy814> j-rock_: pasted
[05:04] <Dreamer3> kbrooks: ? :)
[05:05] <Quenyar> dcraven let me know if you need more, there's lots of other entries
[05:05] <christian> can anyone confirm this?
[05:05] <Dreamer3> kbrooks: i'm only playing... though 179mb of updates is a little steap, i'm downloading them now :)
[05:05] <dcraven> Quenyar, dump the whole thing in there.
[05:05] <Jet2k5> dcraven: 308 of 801 /me loves high speed internet
[05:05] <Dreamer3> christian: warty is so yesterday :)
[05:05] <j-rock_> wulfy814: comment out the renderaccel line
[05:05] <christian> i mean hoary
[05:05] <dcraven> Jet2k5, cool. You'll be happy with it.
[05:05] <christian> sorry.. i have the new one that released today
[05:05] <Jet2k5> did gnome and everything get updated?
[05:05] <Dreamer3> christian: weird
[05:06] <Dreamer3> christian: a case of someone not packaging the thumbnail correctly?
[05:06] <j-rock_> wulfy814: and also change your MetaModes to "1600x1200, 1600x1200; 1280x1024, 1280x1024"
[05:06] <zafar> hello, i'm having problems updating from hoary preview to hoary final.. can i get the sources.list to do it?
[05:06] <Dreamer3> christian: i don't use gdm, so no idea :)
[05:06] <wulfy814> j-rock_: is there a way to test without losing IRC connection?
[05:06] <j-rock_> do you use irssi?
[05:06] <christian> I mean is it worth filling bug for, I don't feel like creating an account just for that
[05:06] <j-rock_> wulfy814: apt-get install irssi screen
[05:07] <Dreamer3> christian: that's how i am with small bugs
[05:07] <j-rock_> wulfy814: install screen and irssi either way
[05:07] <j-rock_> wulfy814: then start up irssi in a vtty
[05:07] <Dreamer3> christian: my laptop (when off AC then back on) doesn't always realize it and run power.sh... i have to do it manually... weird...
[05:07] <Quenyar> dcraven - is that better?
[05:07] <Dreamer3> christian: but i'm not sure where to start looking and honestly don't have time to create an account and wait to post a bug
[05:07] <Dreamer3> christian: though i'd like to think it's not specific to my system so it will get fixed :)
[05:08] <dcraven> Quenyar, I don't see it.
[05:08] <blizah> k mp3s work..now how do i get my mpg's and avis to play w/ sound?
[05:08] <dcraven> Quenyar, there it is.
[05:08] <christian> well, in my case if anyone can affirm it, it will be all ubuntu installations
[05:08] <dcraven> Quenyar, yes that's better. Gimme a minute to scan it.
[05:08] <carthik> christian, i can test it out once if you let me know how to change the login screen - cant find it under preferences
[05:08] <Quenyar> dcraven thanks!
[05:09] <carthik> found it under administration
[05:09] <christian> its under the System > Administration > Login Screen setup
[05:09] <christian> under greeter tab
[05:09] <dcraven> Quenyar, do you have the specs for your monitor handy? Or can you find them online?
[05:09] <Dreamer3> why does gnome continue to think i'm on battery power when i am not?
[05:09] <jiyuu0> is mplayer-386 broken... or issit only me?
[05:09] <christian> sorry, "Graphical greeter"
[05:09] <Quenyar> dcraven - Hoary didn't even prompt me to make x-windows settings elections.  Give me a second
[05:09] <Dreamer3> /proc/acpi/ac_adapter knows what's going on... am i expecting too much?
[05:09] <dcraven> Quenyar, sure thing.
[05:09] <SuperQ> jiyuu0: i've been having trouble too
[05:10] <SuperQ> jiyuu0: I am going to try and figure it out this weekend
[05:10] <christian> or try command "gksudo gdmsetup"
[05:10] <jiyuu0> last week  when i apt-get it seems ok
[05:10] <seven_six_two> blizah, they don't play at all in totem?
[05:10] <carthik> christian, consider it confirmed
[05:10] <blizah> hrm havent tried totem
[05:10] <blizah> hold on
[05:10] <Dreamer3> killing the applet and restarting it and it gets the hint, but i'd rather solve the problem the correct way
[05:10] <carthik> I really like the earlier circle of 3 ... wonder how I can get it back...
[05:11] <christian> yeah...
[05:11] <kbrooks> jiyuu0 and SuperQ: I know.
[05:11] <kbrooks> Are you on a x86 system?
[05:11] <christian> I mean I don't mind the old one...but it was a suprise to see
[05:11] <blizah> hrm i got an error tring to start totem: "totem could not startup. resources busy or not available"
[05:11] <oaaltone> anyone have any luck installing mplayer? i have all the extra repos listed at ubuntuguide.org, but it's failing some dependencies...
[05:12] <blizah> in synaptic both totem and totem g-streamer are installed
[05:12] <McQuaid> quesiton on the pkgs, so ubuntu takes a deb/sid snapshot every 6 months as their base,  so say in month 4, a fairly major upgrade happens to a popular program
[05:12] <Dreamer3> christian: *wonders what the new circle looks like*
[05:12] <McQuaid> is it updated? or do you have to wait for the next cycle?
[05:12] <christian> the new circle is the one on the front page
[05:12] <carthik> oaaltone, i installed using it the other day use libpng12-dev for the conflict
[05:12] <christian> of the web site...of course much larger
[05:12] <christian> to fit the entire screen
[05:12] <jiyuu0> oaaltone, it's broken
[05:12] <kakalto> what happened to w32codecs?
[05:12] <x_o1> Anyone know if there is a good program which can make an HTTP head request just to see if a file is there?  I don't want to download the entire thing in my script, and I cannot find the option to do this with wget...
[05:12] <kakalto> what do I need instead?
[05:12] <jdubFest> McQuaid: rolling changes are only available on the development branch
[05:12] <seven_six_two> blizah, how about the other gstreamer codecs?
[05:12] <jdubFest> McQuaid: stable releases are just that - stable
[05:13] <wulfy814> j-rock_: no dice
[05:13] <blizah> like which ones i have installed?
[05:13] <wulfy814> j-rock_: still getting (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to find mode "1600x1200" for display device 1 in
[05:13] <wulfy814> (WW) NVIDIA(0):      MetaMode "1600x1200,1600x1200"
[05:13] <carthik> oaaltone, search the forums to "multimedia howto" and "mplayer" and you will find the thread I am talking about
[05:13] <seven_six_two> mad is one of them
[05:13] <Dreamer3> is htis "linux for human beings" thing new? or just pushing it new?
[05:13] <wulfy814> j-rock_: or at least that's the only error I see in the Xorg.log
[05:13] <mmuzzy> christian: I had a feeling that was going to happen, I backed it up and just put it back in the same directory with the other gdm themes tonight
[05:13] <blizah> seven_six_two, i have a lot of gstreamer stuff installed
[05:13] <Dreamer3> wulfy814: if i had two displays i'd SO be trying that right now :)
[05:13] <kakalto> Dreamer3: it's not new
[05:13] <kakalto> it's 6months old :P
[05:13] <wulfy814> j-rock_: Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[05:14] <christian> I guess I will file a report
[05:14] <oaaltone> carthik: thanks
[05:14] <concept10> hey guys how is the new release?
[05:14] <wulfy814> Dreamer3: I'd driving me nuts - with Xandros I checked a box I think
[05:14] <carthik> concept10, great !
[05:14] <wulfy814> Dreamer3: boom - two monitors
[05:14] <Dreamer3> christian: oh yeah, the old one is MUCH cooler
[05:14] <carthik> oaaltone, anytime
[05:14] <cowbud> what is the crazy bob window program for metacity that allows you to say this window is always on top this window is on all work spaces...ringing a bell for anyone?
[05:15] <Dreamer3> christian: are they moving away from the "sexy" look/feel?
[05:15] <kakalto> concept10: really good
[05:15] <dcraven_> cowbud, devilspie?
[05:15] <christian> i dunno.. i kind of like that one wallpaper...i believe january which had the woman on it :)
[05:15] <jdubFest> christian: what's up?
[05:15] <concept10> is it better than fedora core? no flames, please.
[05:15] <carthik> Dreamer: you mean are "we" right? :)
[05:15] <blizah> seven_six_two, i googles and came up w/ this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=115497#post115497
[05:15] <seven_six_two> howabout  ffmpeg?
[05:15] <memnoc> heya.. i have a problem with font sizes.. apparently, there's a misconfig in font resolutions between KDE apps running on Gnome, but i'm not sure where i could set the KDE config for this.. i have Gnome fonts at 96dpi and using amaroK gives me huge fonts in the menus and options.. anyone know a solution?
[05:15] <christian> jdubFest: bug report for login screen...i will file a bug right now
[05:15] <cowbud> dcraven: hrmm sounds promising..
[05:16] <jdubFest> christian: what was wrong with it? the thumbnail preview?
[05:16] <cowbud> dcraven: that is it cool thanks!
[05:16] <seven_six_two> blizah, you have a radeon card?
[05:16] <Dreamer3> wulfy814: well, if i had two monitors i'd go do it myself and i could help ya
[05:16] <dcraven> cowbud, no prob.
[05:16] <christian> yeah
[05:16] <blizah> yea
[05:16] <jdubFest> christian: already filed :)
[05:16] <blizah> seven_six_two yea
[05:16] <christian> oh ok...cool
[05:16] <blizah> seven_six_two ffmpeg is not installed
[05:16] <Arcane> For some reason, I can't mount my hard drives.
[05:16] <blizah> seven_six_two install it?
[05:17] <christian> i was just starting the search anyway
[05:17] <kakalto> what happened to media in hoary?
[05:17] <seven_six_two> is fglrxinfo reporting ati or mesa? yes install it
[05:17] <Dreamer3> is there an atual release announcement?
[05:17] <Dreamer3> url anyone, i'm missing it
[05:17] <kakalto> w32codecs and libdvdcss2 both were left out
[05:17] <seven_six_two> Arcane, using sudo?
[05:17] <andrewski> Dreamer3: /topic
[05:17] <kakalto> what's the replacements?
[05:17] <dcraven> Dreamer3, I think it's on the front page.
[05:17] <cowbud> so is there already a new development distro version of ubuntu?
[05:17] <carthik> Dreamer3, the URL in the motd for the channel has the link
[05:17] <jdubFest> cowbud: not yet
[05:17] <Arcane> Yeah.
[05:17] <kakalto> cowbud: no
[05:17] <dcraven> cowbud, no.
[05:17] <blizah> stephen@linux:~ $ fglrxinfo
[05:17] <blizah> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:17] <blizah> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:17] <blizah> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic
[05:17] <blizah> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[05:17] <scott> help me guys, I accidently installed a different cursor (artwiz) and now that I've removed it I have the default X cursor (ugly) not the cool ubuntu one. any one know how to get the cool ubuntu cursors back?
[05:17] <cowbud> bummer
[05:18] <memnoc> can anyone help me out? i know this is fairly simple, i just don't know where to look and google isn't being helpful..
[05:18] <Quenyar> dcraven - here's the best I found: "Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 9i 19" monitor, I currently run it at 1154 x 864 at 85hz, picture is very vivid at this setting"
[05:18] <Arcane> And is there any way to either save settings onto the computer and log in as root with the default settings?
[05:18] <Dreamer3> scott: there are cool ubuntu cursors?
[05:18] <jdubFest> scott: sudo update-alternatives --auto x-cursor-theme
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> memnoc: what/
[05:18] <kakalto> how do I get codecs in hoary???
[05:18] <kakalto> anyone?
[05:18] <carthik> memnoc, go ahead and ask
[05:18] <memnoc> heya.. i have a problem with font sizes.. apparently, there's a misconfig in font resolutions between KDE apps running on Gnome, but i'm not sure where i could set the KDE config for this.. i have Gnome fonts at 96dpi and using amaroK gives me huge fonts in the menus and options.. anyone know a solution?
[05:18] <dcraven> Quenyar, okay. You looking at a website at those specs?
[05:18] <jdubFest> kakalto: download the w32codecs package from elsewhere and install it
[05:18] <blizah> seven_six_two, if i used vlc would that maybe work?
[05:18] <Jet2k5> kakalto: sudo apt-get install win32-codecs
[05:18] <linuxpoet> Any help configuring a laptop for ubuntu?
[05:18] <Dreamer3> Quenyar: i run a 19" syncmaster 192n, though it has it's problems (a few years old)... the 19" i have at work is beautiful though (again, samsung)
[05:19] <kakalto> Jet2k5: that's been removed from apt-get
[05:19] <dcraven_> Quenyar, I want the refresh rates acutally.
[05:19] <Jet2k5> linuxpoet: not for me, I have an HP ze5170
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> linuxpoet: i just installed on a laptop today
[05:19] <Jet2k5> kakalto: heh then now I don't know
[05:19] <seven_six_two> blizah, i don't know what that is, but your driver is ok
[05:19] <Jet2k5> I'm just now updating to hoary
[05:19] <linuxpoet> I got it installed but X is a no go
[05:19] <Quenyar> dcraven yes, I was looking on the web
[05:19] <blizah> seven_six_two k tnx
[05:19] <jdubFest> kakalto: they have *never* been included in ubuntu repositories
[05:19] <dcraven> Quenyar, can you give me the URL?
[05:19] <Jet2k5> then he doesnt have universal?
[05:19] <carthik> linuxpoet does your laptop use the 82845 graphics chipset - another friend of mine had a problem
[05:19] <Dreamer3> linuxpoet: what is your exact question?
[05:20] <seven_six_two> blizah, what do the details say when totem won't play?
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> linuxpoet: i would guess it is an intel chipset?
[05:20] <linuxpoet> I have an HP ze4300
[05:20] <blizah> seven_six_two no details its just an error msg
[05:20] <Quenyar> dcraven: for what it's worth: http://www.bensbargains.net/ktalk/1110050851,67740,.shtml - I couldn't find authentic tech information on the mitsubishi web site
[05:20] <linuxpoet> When X starts it is just a black screen
[05:20] <undoc> hey guys, what if anything should be done to upgrade from Hoary Preview to Hoary?  should automatic updates take care of it?
[05:20] <kakalto> jdubFest: yeah, in universe or multiverse or something
[05:20] <jdubFest> undoc: yes
[05:20] <kakalto> I got them on hoary
[05:20] <linuxpoet> And I appear to have some PCMCIA issues but first X ;)
[05:21] <jdubFest> kakalto: no, that package has never been in ubuntu repositories
[05:21] <christian> goodnight.
[05:21] <undoc> linuxpoet: did you boot with vga=771
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> linuxpoet: were you able to stop it before  X... say in failsafe?
[05:21] <Arcane> Saving settings on the computer? Anyone?
[05:21] <linuxpoet> I can get to a prompt if I need to that is no problem
[05:21] <andrewski> what do y'all do when you want to install a package not provided by ubuntu?
[05:21] <linuxpoet> what is vga=771
[05:21] <kelk1> Hi. I tried the gnoppox, the U RC and now the released live CD, but I just can't get X working... or maybe gdm. Xstarts, but the only thing I get is a brown screen.
[05:22] <Dreamer3_> anyone else have a laptop that doesn't realize then you plug it back in?
[05:22] <MrParker> I just saw Sin City
[05:22] <seven_six_two> blizah, try starting totem and a movie file from console
[05:22] <Dreamer3_> any way to troubleshoot?
[05:22] <MrParker> awesome movie
[05:22] <undoc> many laptops need that option on the install screen
[05:22] <Quenyar> dcraven 30-96 Khz / 50-140 Hz
[05:22] <linuxpoet> Oh and FYI... Dual Opteron with a 9500 3Ware card has issues ;) but that is another story
[05:22] <carthik> I have a strange problem - each time after I login, the r, m, b etc keys dont work -- until is go to system->preferences->keyboard layout and change the layout from 104 to 105 keys or back... why is this so, can't the setting be remembered, once set?
[05:22] <dcraven> Quenyar, Okay... cool. Are you familiar with basic bash commands?
[05:22] <memnoc> anyone know about my font problem?
[05:23] <dcraven> Quenyar, if not, that's fine, I'll just give more detailed instruction. I think I see the problem.
[05:23] <linuxpoet> What program should I use to configure X
[05:23] <Quenyar> dcraven sure, I'm usually a Red Hat jocky, eat and sleep vi
[05:23] <dcraven> Quenyar, right on.
[05:23] <carthik> linuxpoet, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg
[05:23] <carthik> xorg, i mean
[05:23] <Arcane> Is there any way to get answers since everyone's flooding? :P
[05:24] <undoc> linuxpoet: after inserting the install disk type 'linux vga=771' or there's something you can add in your grub menu.lst
[05:24] <dcraven> Quenyar, okay. Firstly, backup your current /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in case we mess it up beyond repair.
[05:24] <scott> Dreamer3_: yeah, that white cursor and the cool wheely waiting cursor. once you see the plain x cursor you'll want to shoot yourself
[05:24] <linuxpoet> ty, I will try that
[05:24] <seven_six_two> memnoc, sorry. i don't know
[05:24] <linuxpoet> I am coming from Gentoo and Fedora world... very new stuff here ;)
[05:24] <seven_six_two> Arcane, settings should be in your home dir
[05:24] <kbrooks> new stuff such as?
[05:24] <carthik> linuxpoet, i was RH before too, this seems much much better
[05:25] <seven_six_two> but you can't log in as root
[05:25] <kbrooks> i like ubuntu
[05:25] <linuxpoet> I am happy so far
[05:25] <dcraven> Quenyar, then in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf, right after the line that says: Option   "DPMS"
[05:25] <Arcane> So I've got to use the ridiculously annoying root terminal option thingy?
[05:25] <linuxpoet> It works great on my workstation
[05:25] <kbrooks> seven_six_two, actually
[05:25] <Quenyar> dcraven cp xorg.conf xprg.conf.old
[05:25] <memnoc> thanks.. i'm sure this is a pretty common problem when running KDE apps on Gnome or viceversa.. something about the font servers being misconfigured.. i just don't know where to go to set KDE font resolutions in Gnome.. :(
[05:25] <carthik> any hekp with my strange keyboardd-setting-unstuck problem, folks?
[05:25] <kbrooks> yes, you can .
[05:25] <linuxpoet> Just trying to get through the laptop
[05:25] <seven_six_two> by default
[05:25] <kelk1> seven_six_two, try su
[05:25] <kbrooks> Arcane, no.
[05:25] <dcraven> Quenyar, put the following two lines after that line...
[05:25] <linuxpoet> that command didn't work by the way.. says xserver-org not installed
[05:25] <kelk1> seven_six_two, try sudo
[05:25] <kbrooks> kelk1, sudo passwd
[05:25] <carthik> linuxport xserver-xorg
[05:25] <Arcane> And, um, and I an idiot for not being able to figure out how to mount my Windows drives?
[05:26] <carthik> linuxpoet xserver-xorg, I mean
[05:26] <seven_six_two> yes, but thats not like typing root at the login screen
[05:26] <dcraven> Quenyar, Line 1: HorizSync    30-90
[05:26] <linuxpoet> aha
[05:26] <dcraven> Quenyar, Line 2: VertRefresh    50-140
[05:26] <seven_six_two> Arcane, you can use smbmount
[05:26] <Arcane> Any arguments needed?
[05:27] <dcraven> Quenyar, then save and restart X. If that works, back up the good file so that you can restore it if it ever gets overwritten a'la xorg updates.
[05:27] <linuxpoet> oops
[05:27] <MrParker> cedega hates me
[05:27] <linuxpoet> guess mouse device auto detection isn't a good thing ;)
[05:27] <dcraven> Quenyar, let me know if something isn't clear.
[05:27] <linuxpoet> oh better
[05:27] <Quenyar> Do I want them to read like:  " VertRefresh     "50-140"
[05:27] <kelk1> So I am the only one ending up with a sickening brown screen? hw=GeForce3 Ti 500
[05:27] <seven_six_two> Arcane, you'd have to use man...not sure
[05:28] <dcraven> Quenyar, no quotes.
[05:28] <seven_six_two> there are a few for sure
[05:28] <memnoc> anyone else know how to fix KDE apps running in Gnome font problem?
[05:28] <tcwd> Hey people.
[05:28] <linuxpoet> What do you think the refresh rate on this tft is?
[05:28] <Dreamer1> ok :)
[05:28] <carthik> memnoc, mine run fine in gnome, strange enough
[05:28] <blizah> seven_six_two same thing
[05:28] <Dreamer1> *tries chatting from GAIM*
[05:28] <Dreamer1> i do'nt think i'll like this
[05:28] <Arcane> .... Great. I can't connect to the internet or use my hard drive when using Ubuntu, either.
[05:28] <dcraven> Quenyar, come back and tell me if it works, but I think it will.
[05:28] <tcwd> Is it possible for ubuntu to add something installed to the KDE menu>?
[05:28] <linuxpoet> Dreamer1 I use game
[05:28] <Dreamer1> someone talk directly to me
[05:28] <linuxpoet> err gaim
[05:29] <Arcane> Know any way to log in to my USB modem?
[05:29] <Dreamer1> linuxpoet... hmmm... does it hilight when people talk to you?
[05:29] <carthik> tcwd, you have to edit the menus to add them in
[05:29] <seven_six_two> blizah, and no error?
[05:29] <carthik> Dreamer1 here you go
[05:29] <linuxpoet> It should open a new tab
[05:29] <tcwd> carthik, how do I do that?
[05:29] <blizah> seven_six_two same error pops up
[05:29] <kelk1> memnoc, if it is a qt app, there is qtconfig
[05:29] <linuxpoet> hmmm
[05:29] <carthik> tcwd, in nautilus, the file browser, open Applications:///
[05:29] <seven_six_two> but no error in console window?
[05:29] <linuxpoet> well 60hz isn't it ;)
[05:29] <SeeRSea> gaim is pretty slick.  Used it for the first time today
[05:30] <memnoc> carthik: well, i've only noticed that problem with amaroK so far, it's the only KDE app i have.. but while Googling i ran into people having my symptoms and being related to KDE/Gnome..
[05:30] <Quenyar> dcraven - so it looks like what I just pasted to you?
[05:30] <Dreamer1> carthik: ok, a totally unoticeable ugly brown/yellow color, any idea how to change that? :)
[05:30] <huhe> i seem to have messed up a few things.  i get errors installing dpkg gnomebaker
[05:30] <carthik> then add a launcher for the app... tcwd
[05:30] <Arcane> "You need to select the USB Modem (CDC ACM) support kernel option" How can I use that?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> gaim is nice esp. with guifications
[05:30] <carthik> Dreamer1, I use xchat
[05:30] <dcraven> Quenyar, that looks fine.
[05:30] <toran> carthik: tcwd's on KDE
[05:30] <tcwd> yeah.
[05:30] <carthik> memnoc, install kwrite or kate and see if it is a problem
[05:31] <Quenyar> ok I'll /etc/init.d/gdm restart and hope for the best
[05:31] <tcwd> carthik, I'm on KDE>
[05:31] <carthik> tcwd, you wanted to add kde apps to gnome right?
[05:31] <carthik> login to gnome then :)
[05:31] <dcraven> Quenyar, go for it :)
[05:31] <memnoc> carthik: hmm i'll do that.. just a sec
[05:31] <toran> carthik: no, he wanted stuff that he installs to get added to the menu
[05:31] <tcwd> carthik, no.
[05:31] <tcwd> yeah.
[05:31] <rat51man> he doesn't know where the executable is.
[05:31] <tcwd> I'm fairly new to linux.
[05:31] <carthik> tcwd, use the kde menu editor
[05:32] <seven_six_two> prolly  /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
[05:32] <Arcane> What file are the settings saved as?
[05:32] <carthik> tcwd, there is a menu editor someowhere in the KDE startup menus...
[05:32] <carthik> check whats there for apps currently and you'll get the hang of it
[05:32] <tcwd> hmm... thanks, I'll go and look.
[05:33] <carthik> tcwd, you can try various commands from the command line (a terminal) to see what works to launch the app, usually it will be /usr/bin/app-name
[05:33] <huhe> it seems some package is interfering with me installing gnomebaker.
[05:33] <huhe> my desktop would not be functional without burning
[05:33] <tcwd> alright
[05:33] <tcwd> thanks.
[05:33] <Dreamer31> now, if i could fix my 3 ubuntu problems i'd be 110% happy
[05:33] <snkmchnb> this may be just me, has anyone reported problem burning the 5.04 iso?
[05:33] <carthik> tcwd, to try that out , use alt+F2 which is the app launcher and then try out something until you finf the command tht launches the app (my first painful steps :)
[05:33] <kelk1> too much traffic... goog luck to the afficionados.
[05:33] <seven_six_two> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[05:34] <linuxpoet> o.k. I am definiately getting closer
[05:34] <carthik> if i may repeat my question...
[05:34] <carthik> I have a strange problem - each time after I login, the r, m, b etc keys dont work -- until is go to system->preferences->keyboard layout and change the layout from 104 to 105 keys or back... why is this so, can't the setting be remembered, once set?
[05:35] <Dreamer31> carthik: wow, do you have some special hardware/keyboard?
[05:35] <linuxpoet> Is this Gnome carthik?
[05:35] <carthik> yes, and yes
[05:35] <carthik> i mean no, no special keyboard
[05:35] <Arcane> Again. What are settings saved as on the hd?
[05:35] <carthik> and yes, in gnome
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> superfast fingers
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> must be a dvorak keyboard
[05:35] <carthik> Arcane, which ones?
[05:35] <carthik> nomasteryoda, no..
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:35] <carthik> lol
[05:35] <linuxpoet> Sounds like you might have a munged config file
[05:36] <Dreamer31> carthik: glad i don't have that problem :)
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:36] <carthik> linuxpoet, but which one...corg.conf is sane
[05:36] <Dreamer31> carthik: but it sounds more solvable
[05:36] <carthik> Dreamer31, I am fond of this
[05:36] <carthik> bug that is
[05:36] <Arcane> ... Any settings. o_O
[05:36] <dcraven_> carthik, what does "grep 104 /etc/X11/xorg.conf" say?
[05:36] <SeeRSea> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/motherboards/EPIA_5000   < nice firewall box
[05:36] <carthik> my girlfriend and other foes cannot use the laptop :D
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> man, this 40gb drive i have in a Dell 600mhz is giving Hoary fits... it just keeps bombing out
[05:36] <Dreamer31> carthik: is it only in gnome, if you start a different WM, do they work?
[05:37] <carthik> dcraven, Option "Xkbmodel" "pc104"
[05:37] <carthik> Dreamer31, never tried another WM...
[05:38] <carthik> Dreamer31, when I was on KDE, on ubuntu, things were fine though....
[05:38] <Dreamer31> carthik: try that... blackbox, flux, something simple if you ahve to apt-get it
[05:38] <carthik> about a month ago
[05:38] <Dreamer31> carthik: try it not
[05:38] <Dreamer31> carthik: try it now
[05:38] <dcraven_> carthik, okay, open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in your favourite editor and change that to say "pc105". But back that file up first in case it gets messed up accidentally.
[05:38] <Dreamer31> carthik: if that works then i'd wipe your gnome data (move it temp) and see if that fixes it...
[05:38] <carthik> might as well install xfce4
[05:38] <Dreamer31> carthik: or do what dcraven_ says
[05:39] <carthik> installing xfce
[05:39] <dcraven_> carthik, after that is done, logout of GNOME and back in.
[05:39] <ml267> how do i access a usb cdrom drive?  (i'm on warty)
[05:39] <carthik> dcraven_, thanks, will try for sure
[05:39] <jdubFest> ml267: plug it in :)
[05:39] <dcraven_> carthik, okay.
[05:39] <jdubFest> ml267: stick in a cd
[05:39] <ml267> what's supposed to happen when I plug it in?
[05:39] <jdubFest> ml267: should just work
[05:40] <ml267> jdubFest: it doesn't just work :(
[05:40] <carthik> ml267, a nautilus window will open, and you will find it under "places"
[05:40] <memnoc> carthik: just installed Kate, and yup, the menus look the same as in amaroK.. looks like a very large version of Verdana.. so it's definitelly a KDE font resolution incompatibility with Gnome settings..
[05:40] <ml267> i just installed the usb pci card
[05:40] <jdubFest> ml267: ah
[05:40] <carthik> memnoc, tough break :(
[05:40] <jdubFest> ml267: see, that complicates things :)
[05:40] <jdubFest> ml267: do you know if a driver is loaded for it?
[05:40] <seven_six_two> i notice theres a place for media key binding in configuration editor. anyone made it work yet?
[05:40] <ml267> hmm.. let me try lsmod or something...
[05:41] <isai> hi
[05:41] <Quenyar> dcraven - ineffective still 800 x 600
[05:41] <carthik> dcraven_, actually the keyboard mishap happens only when I reboot, not re-login
[05:41] <seven_six_two> maybe there is a key capture utility
[05:41] <memnoc> hehe so anyone know how to change KDE font resolution settings in Gnome? please..? :)
[05:41] <dcraven> Quenyar, crap.. You restarted X?
[05:41] <linuxpoet> So any thoughts on this TFT?
[05:41] <linuxpoet> ;)
[05:41] <linuxpoet> Everything seems up and running except X
[05:41] <Dreamer31> memnoc: i'd try googling, this is a problem i've heard lots again, but i don't use kde, do i don't know
[05:41] <carthik> linuxpoet, why not serach for the specs
[05:41] <Quenyar> did that and then it stopped, this is a really old crappy machine, so I rebooted it
[05:42] <Dreamer31> linuxpoet: that's not saying much :)
[05:42] <ml267> it's a long list of kernel modules.. i can't tell if my usb card is working
[05:42] <ml267> usb_core is loaded..
[05:42] <Dreamer31> memnoc: try gnome kde font size
[05:42] <memnoc> yea me neither, i just have one KDE app.. i'm using the latest Gnome..
[05:42] <isai> I just finished installing ubuntu on my laptop in english. What do I do if I want to use Spanish as an alternate language (the window text not the keyboard)?
[05:42] <Dreamer31> memnoc: you may need more of the kde infastructure and then launch something when gnome starts... i know long ago i used flux but i had to run gnome-settings-daemon for the right fonts in gnome apps
[05:42] <ml267> the usb card has an NEC chip..
[05:43] <Quenyar> dcraven also - I forget, how do I reset the default runlevel to 2?  I'm going to be moving this computer to use a different monitor and I don't know which monitor that will be
[05:43] <carthik> isai try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:43] <carthik> then choose along the way
[05:43] <Dreamer31> Quenyar: i just removed gdm from the init system, but then i never use it :)
[05:43] <memnoc> yea gnome-setting-daemon is for people who use KDE and want their Gnome apps to look right.. i just want the oposite setting for Gnome.. :)
[05:43] <ml267> what's the tool to configure modules?  so i can see if there's one i should install..
[05:43] <Dreamer31> memnoc: i don't know ;) kde sucks, use gnome ;-)
[05:43] <ml267> i thought ubuntu would detect everything for me :)
[05:44] <Dreamer31> ml267: ?
[05:44] <dcraven> Quenyar, I think something like "update-rc.d gdm remove" will work for that.
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> yeah, finally rebooting for the first time on this old dell
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> new hoary install
[05:44] <carthik> ml267, if you have everything at install time, yes :)
[05:44] <memnoc> Dreamer31: i know. i AM using Gnome. ;)
[05:44] <seven_six_two> Quenyar, init 2
[05:44] <ml267> carthik: hehe, i'm past that
[05:44] <carthik> memnoc, I use Kile... just fine...
[05:44] <Dreamer31> memnoc: forget kde apps *waves his hand like a jedi knight* you don't want the kde apps
[05:44] <ml267> carthik: i have hoary on cdrom, and wanted to upgrade via CD instead of downloading it all again
[05:44] <carthik> ml267, installing new hardware is sometimes a pain... no plug and play, I am afraid...
[05:45] <isai> carthik, what's the differnce between UTF-8 and ISO-8859-1 encodings, each spanish subset has both options?
[05:45] <memnoc> Dreamer31: dude... amaroK is da shit.
[05:45] <carthik> ml267, have you tried rebooting with the hardware plugged in?
[05:45] <memnoc> :)
[05:45] <Dreamer31> memnoc: what is that?
[05:45] <ml267> i just booted with the new hardware
[05:45] <jdubFest> carthik: ubuntu is about as plug and play as you can get...
[05:45] <carthik> isai, UTF-8 is better, with more characters in it, ISO-8859-1 has a limited charset
[05:45] <seven_six_two> isai, UTF is for dvd's
[05:45] <Dreamer31> carthik: i switching video cards (both NV) no problem, of course it doesn't work 100% right though
[05:45] <memnoc> the best music player on any platform i've tried so far.. beats my foobar2000 config on Win.. :)
[05:45] <carthik> UTF-8 is more likely to be widely supported, too....
[05:45] <Obsidians> What happens if I try to load KDE applications when I don't have KDE installed?
[05:46] <carthik> jdubFest, Amen to that.
[05:46] <jdubFest> ml267: dude, run the following:
[05:46] <jdubFest> cat /proc/bus/usb/devices | grep Product
[05:46] <Dreamer31> Obsidians: try it :)
[05:46] <Dreamer31> memnoc: link to screenshot?
[05:46] <ml267> 5 things listed
[05:46] <memnoc> Obsidians: the same that happened to me.. large fonts.. hehe but, you need some KDE libs.. i suggest using apt-get to install a KDE app and it will all be settled for you..
[05:46] <isai> seven_six_two, I thought UDF was DVD
[05:46] <ml267> NEC Corporation USB 2.0
[05:47] <seven_six_two> ooh maybe im wrong
[05:47] <dcraven> Obsidians, it'll work because apt will install all needed KDE lib dependancies.
[05:47] <jdubFest> ml267: righto, so looks like it found your usb controller
[05:47] <ml267> if someone has the same usb card, maybe can tell me the kernel mod to install..
[05:47] <dphase> memnoc, you can change the size of your fonts in KDE apps with kcontrol
[05:47] <jdubFest> ml267: if it's in that list, the driver is loaded
[05:47] <jdubFest> ml267: so, now plug in your CD drive, and see if it appears in that list
[05:48] <memnoc> kcontrol? what package is that in?
[05:48] <seven_six_two> isai, yes, i was wrong. thank you
[05:48] <jdubFest> ml267: alternatively, you can load up the device manager gui (hal-device-manager)
[05:48] <ml267> jdubFest: oh.. devices should show up too?
[05:48] <dcraven_> membreya, kcontrol.
[05:48] <isai> carthik, well Im logging out to try the new settings, wish me luck.
[05:48] <dcraven_> eerr.. memnoc kcontrol.
[05:48] <jdubFest> ml267: yes
[05:48] <memnoc> d'oh. :)
[05:49] <dcraven_> Too many people in this channel. Too many similar nicks.
[05:49] <dphase> memnoc, its the kde control center
[05:49] <ml267> jdubFest: hey, I see the drive in the drive manager
[05:49] <ml267> device manager, rather
[05:49] <nekohayo> 1.5gigabytes of uploaded hoary iso up til now :)
[05:49] <memnoc> jesus, 12mb for that? cool, i guess.. thanks dphase, i'm downloading right now.. :)
[05:49] <jdubFest> ml267: great - this is how plug and play is meant to be ;-)
[05:49] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, is that upgrade done yet?
[05:50] <ml267> doesn't show up in nautilus
[05:50] <Obsidians> memnoc: Linux is strange.
[05:50] <Obsidians> When is the Gnome menu system likely to be fixed? It's very..... flakey right now.
[05:50] <SeeRSea> I love linux the more I use it
[05:50] <memnoc> Obsidians: i know. i love it. :)
[05:50] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: replacing everything right now as we speak :)
[05:50] <jdubFest> ml267: stick in a cd, then check the output of 'mount'
[05:50] <Dreamer32> no takers?
[05:50] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, cool. When you logout/reboot, come back to tell us if/that it worked.
[05:50] <carthik> dcraven, the keys work fine in xfce, but do not in gnome
[05:51] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: sure thing
[05:51] <Jet2k5> ah xfce !
[05:51] <Bicchi> i am having throuble installing linux and need help on resizing my HD. i am using partition magic and need to know how to choose the partitions.
[05:51] <libben> where can i find gdesklets that are nice and more artistic nice... then gdesklet.gnomet site?
[05:51] <SeeRSea> dcraven is a mad man on the tech support
[05:51] <Jet2k5> I haven't used it in such a long time
[05:51] <libben> Bicchi, u should partition when u install linux
[05:51] <carthik> dcraven_ so what was it you were saying I should do if it is a gnome-specific problem?
[05:51] <dcraven_> SeeRSea, not really, I just want to know what works so that we can pass on the info.
[05:51] <memnoc> Bicchi: ouch. i'd strongly suggest against a resize.
[05:51] <libben> not when ur in windows.
[05:51] <libben> where can i find gdesklets that are nice and more artistic nice... then gdesklet.gnomet site?
[05:51] <Jet2k5> lol there's too many questions going on at once
[05:51] <ml267> nothing looks like a storage device on output of 'mount'
[05:52] <Bicchi> libben: i am installing linux
[05:52] <Jet2k5> I start reading one, and 2 new ones pop up
[05:52] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:52] <libben> right now?
[05:52] <ml267> besides my existing HDD, that is
[05:52] <Bicchi> yes
[05:52] <carthik> libben, chances are - in synaptic i found more desklets there than i would ever need
[05:52] <spiderworm> hey all, have several things im trying to figure out, how do i add applications to the applications menu?
[05:52] <libben> carthik, yeah.. gdesklets-data
[05:52] <Jet2k5> I'm thinking about 64 bit?  it's going ot be for games, so I don't know
[05:52] <Bicchi> libben: i am in windows, using partition magic to resize windows to allocate ubuntu/
[05:52] <dcraven_> carthik, your X settings differ from you GNOME settings. Do you vaguely remember one time logging into GNOME and it asking you which settings you wanted to use?
[05:52] <Jet2k5> but UBUNTU is deff. going on the bad puppy
[05:52] <libben> but i want to find ones i see ppl uses...
[05:52] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:52] <libben> cause when im on gdesk site... i cant find those nifty icons
[05:52] <carthik> dcraven_ not really....
[05:52] <Jet2k5> synaptic is the name of my touchpad :)
[05:53] <seven_six_two> Obsidians, are you trying to add to the gnome menu?
[05:53] <libben> Bicchi, ooh
[05:53] <Jet2k5> libben: what icons are you talking about?
[05:53] <libben> so u dont have any empty space then
[05:53] <dcraven_> carthik, I think since the setting in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf is incorrect, it wouldn't hurt to correct it.
[05:53] <isai> the locale setting seemed to work fine, but when I log in every thing is still in english. How do I actually switch the language?
[05:53] <ml267> jdubFest: device manager shows the cdrom drive as /dev/sr0
[05:53] <libben> Jet2k5, good q =) like the really cute pinguins etc etc =)
[05:53] <carthik> dcraven_, righto...
[05:53] <dcraven_> carthik, with some luck, since it is related, it might solve your problem too.
[05:53] <SeeRSea> dcraven- nice job.
[05:53] <libben> Bicchi, u dont have any empty space on harddrive then ill take it
[05:53] <Obsidians> seven_six_two: I'm adding, deleting, hunting, just generally being frustrated that it doesn't take care of itself, somehow.
[05:53] <dcraven_> SeeRSea, hehe. Thanks.
[05:54] <Jet2k5> libben: it's the icon set?
[05:54] <dcraven_> SeeRSea, what did I do?
[05:54] <Jet2k5> it's called tux-n-tosh I believe, black and white?
[05:54] <Jet2k5> and yellow?
[05:54] <seven_six_two> ah i see. it seems to only add some of the things
[05:54] <libben> Bicchi, u dont need to creat a new partition with partition magic... just remove some GB's from ur windows disks
[05:54] <Dreamer32> memnoc: fix my video and you can have it :)
[05:54] <memnoc> Dreamer32: what exactly is the problem?
[05:54] <spiderworm> can somebody tell me how to add applications to the applications menu?
[05:54] <libben> and when ur in the installation process of linux... u do linux partitions in there
[05:54] <seven_six_two> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[05:54] <carthik> spiderworm, to the gnome menus?
[05:54] <libben> Jet2k5, icons that is ?
[05:54] <Bicchi> libben: but i need to allocate the space for linux
[05:54] <spiderworm> carthik, yes
[05:55] <Jet2k5> libben: since , or icon themes?
[05:55] <libben> Bicchi, u dont need to creat a new partition with partition magic... just remove some GB's from ur windows disks
[05:55] <ml267> jdubFest: i can even mount the drive and see its contents...  now i need to change my apt sources.list to know to get packages from the cd.  can someone help?
[05:55] <carthik> spiderworm, see what seven_six_two said above
[05:55] <Dreamer32> memnoc: nvidia binary driver (gforce 4 440mx) and once I start X i can never return to console (not by existing, not by VT switching) without rebooting... doing so just gives me a blinking LCD, like it's in power save mode
[05:55] <Bicchi> libben: ubuntu is going to resize the partition?
[05:55] <reki> does anyone know the name of the program in gnome to remote connect to another ubuntu desktop remote?
[05:55] <carthik> spiderworm, or type Applications:/// in a nautilus file browser...
[05:55] <Jet2k5> libben: I meant single icons, or a theme?
[05:55] <jdubFest> ml267: run apt-cdrom
[05:55] <libben> both...
[05:55] <libben> ^^^ Jet2k5
[05:55] <Jet2k5> libben: I think I might have them
[05:55] <Dreamer32> memnoc: not a lockup at all, since i can restart X by typing startx or up-enter...
[05:55] <Jet2k5> Let me
[05:55] <libben> ok
[05:55] <Jet2k5> looks aorund
[05:56] <Dreamer32> memnoc: but it would be nice to be able to return to console
[05:56] <libben> Bicchi, no... ubuntu wont resize it
[05:56] <Dreamer32> memnoc: i don't have the problem with the nv driver
[05:56] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: is it safe to update /etc/bash.bashrc ?
[05:56] <libben> U will partition it in LINUX install process...
[05:56] <memnoc> Dreamer32: hmm did you apt-get the drivers?
[05:56] <libben> but in windows...
[05:56] <Bicchi> libben: that is why i am using partition magic to resize.
[05:56] <libben> u need to use partition magic
[05:56] <libben> yeah..
[05:56] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, have you modified it yourself?
[05:56] <spiderworm> thank you!
[05:56] <libben> i thought u had empty space on disk
[05:56] <Dreamer32> memnoc: yes, i'm using nvidia-glx from apt
[05:56] <libben> my bad
[05:56] <carthik> dcraven_ : my login name is "carthik" and i can login (can type "r") but cant type r in gnome, so i should have figured it was a gnome problem earlier... d'oh
[05:56] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, if not, then it's safe. If so, then you may lose your custom changes.
[05:57] <libben> just resize the windows disk... but dont create new partitions with partition magic... do that with linux install
[05:57] <carthik> dcraven_ and now it asks me which one to use, gnome or X ?
[05:57] <memnoc> Dreamer32: have you followed the instructions on http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver ?
[05:57] <Obsidians> seven_six_two: Yeah, I've got that. It sort of works..... in some situations. It just seems like there should be one simple place for the menu system. I think Windows has the idea there better, in this case.
[05:57] <Markrian> carthik, applications: and other special places in GNOME were ripped out in 2.10
[05:57] <dcraven_> carthik, choose the one that is correct :)
[05:57] <carthik> Markrian, good to know. Thanks for letting me know
[05:57] <Dreamer32> memnoc: let me check :)
[05:57] <seven_six_two> Obsidians, it's only temporary. it's normally a lot better than it is
[05:58] <memnoc> Dreamer32: otherwise, i'm not sure how to help you.. i'm using a GF4MX420 myself, and haven't noticed any problems whatsoever..
[05:58] <kbrooks> 762! Come by me now!
[05:58] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: never even heard of it
[05:58] <Jet2k5> lol
[05:58] <CT> Im new to linux and have just installed ubuntu. I dont have write permissions to my hard drive can someone help
[05:58] <Obsidians> seven_six_two: Just my luck, I guess.
[05:58] <carthik> dcraven_ I chose X, since i had just corrected it, and yet, "r" doesnt work :(
[05:58] <carthik> is this a bug?
[05:58] <dcraven_> carthik, wth?
[05:58] <Markrian> carthik, the only one that they left in I think is trash: :P
[05:58] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, then it's probably safe to replace it.
[05:58] <carthik> Markrian, thanks :)
[05:58] <seven_six_two> mine too, but i didn't like how windows did it
[05:58] <kbrooks> seven_six_two, stand by me! :)
[05:58] <seven_six_two> it was too messy
[05:58] <memnoc> for whoever asked an amaroK screenshot: http://amarok.kde.org/index.php?full=1&set_albumName=1-2-series&id=3_G&option=com_gallery&Itemid=60&include=view_photo.php
[05:59] <kbrooks> er
[05:59] <carthik> I dont have a "trash" icon anywhere and I know it still worked so I thought applications etc worked too....
[05:59] <kbrooks> did what?
[05:59] <Dreamer32> memnoc: yes, i followed those directions... and the new driver itself works great, just I can't leave X :)
[05:59] <dcraven_> carthik, just for kicks, check in System->preferences->Keyboard to make sure your layout is correct in there.
[05:59] <Jet2k5> bbl guys I must stop PCMCIA to get this last update :0
[05:59] <seven_six_two> their menu
[05:59] <Obsidians> seven_six_two: It just seems like..... Gnome is a better idea, but that KDE works better, at the moment. Not that I've tried either of them enough to actually know what's going on.
[05:59] <gabe123> is there a program for mouse gestures?
[05:59] <Dreamer32> memnoc: maybe updating to hoary release will fix it, but i'm not holding my breath
[05:59] <kbrooks> er, what menu?
[05:59] <carthik> dcraven,_, it reads Generic 105-key(Intl) leyboard, just like it is xorg.conf !!
[06:00] <memnoc> Dreamer32: damn, like i said, i don't even know where to start.. i'm an amateur at all this, and if something doesn't work i google it and get in here.. :)
[06:00] <seven_six_two> i like them both, but used kde a lot more. the layout is similar. windows just put the program in a folder in your start menu
[06:00] <kbrooks> the infamous start menu that appeared in 95?
[06:00] <CT> Im new to linux and have just installed ubuntu. I dont have write permissions to my hard drive can someone help
[06:00] <flodine> anyone try fluxbox yet on 5.04
[06:00] <memnoc> Dreamer32: yea, give it a shot.. doesn't hurt
[06:00] <dcraven_> carthik, and the selected layout is also correct?
[06:00] <akk> Wow, worth1000.com crashes mozilla on ubuntu every time, even with all plugins removed.
[06:00] <crimsun> CT: mount it with the umask=002 parameter
[06:00] <akk> Doesn't crash my mozilla.org builds, only the ubuntu one.
[06:00] <CT> ho do do that
[06:00] <carthik> dcraven, yes, verymuch so - only one - US english
[06:00] <seven_six_two> Obsidians, you'll find gnome menu is better in other distros
[06:01] <seven_six_two> but im sure it'll be worked out soon
[06:01] <crimsun> CT: what filesystem is it?
[06:01] <dcraven_> carthik, and you are sure that it's a 105 instead of a 104? ;P
[06:01] <Dreamer32> memnoc: i'm closer to an expert (at least than I am to beginner) and this is why linux still isn't ready for the desktop, it just doesn't always work :)
[06:01] <Obsidians> seven_six_two: Really? I am new to Linux.... like, this week. I guess that's something to get used to.
[06:01] <CT> ext3
[06:01] <carthik> dcraven, once I get to preferences switch (105-104 or viceversa) it all works fine
[06:01] <Dreamer32> memnoc: not that windows does either, but windows usually works for a while, then craps out... linux either works forever, or doesn't work forever from the get-go :)
[06:01] <carthik> dcraven_ so i think both work just fine for me...
[06:02] <crimsun> CT: ext3 shouldn't need any additional options
[06:02] <flodine> anyone running fluxbox or enlightenment
[06:02] <SeeRSea> Ubuntu has been working great on two machines for me.  Better than Windows
[06:02] <crimsun> flodine: yes (to both)
[06:02] <Dreamer32> memnoc: i mean i suppose some windows users wouldn't never miss a text-only console though, so maybe it isn't THAT bad :)
[06:02] <dcraven_> carthik, that's whacked.
[06:02] <seven_six_two> Obsidians, it is different. thats why i like it. It doesn't "just work" sometimes, but it can be made to work almost all of the time
[06:02] <Dreamer32> crimsun: never did get it working
[06:03] <carthik> I switched to Ubuntu in December, and have been stuck with it - removed windows XP totally. this seems bettr to me, for one I can search efficiently, rename file en-masse etc...
[06:03] <ml267> ok, can i just replace all the "warty" with "hoary" in my sources.list and do a dist-upgrade?
[06:03] <crimsun> Dreamer32: what?
[06:03] <Dreamer32> crimsun: tried all different apic, pci=noacpi, etc... to no avail
[06:03] <carthik> dcraven_ amen
[06:03] <CT> when i query properties on hard drive it  says im not the owner, but i am
[06:03] <Dreamer32> crimsun: my video card to return to console
[06:03] <memnoc> Dreamer32: hehe yea, i know what you mean.. i think the problem relies in that there's sooo many options to chose from, and somehow they all have to be compatible with eachother.. it's crazy really, but they've done it to a great extent..
[06:03] <seven_six_two> Obsidians, check out www.tldp.org
[06:03] <dougsk> ml267, afaik that is correct
[06:03] <Dreamer32> crimsun: it works with the NV driver, but not nvidia's binary
[06:03] <crimsun> Dreamer32: did you post as much to nvnews.net?
[06:04] <Dreamer32> crimsun: no, is that a good resource?
[06:04] <crimsun> Dreamer32: and send a bug report to nvidia?
[06:04] <spanglesontoast> anyone know where I can get the latest perl stuff
[06:04] <memnoc> everyone: kcontrol worked! thanks a lot to whoever mentioned it.. i knew it was something extremelly silly, but being a beginner you often overlook the most obvious of things.. thanks a lot people!
[06:04] <ml267> do i have to do anything special in synaptic to make it pickup the packages list from my hoary cd?
[06:05] <Dreamer32> crimsun: nope, never hard of nvnews.net, and not sure the best way to send a bug-report, maybe it's mentioned in one of those text files :)
[06:05] <crimsun> Dreamer32: it is. linux-bugs@
[06:05] <carthik> memnoc, good to know it turned out fine
[06:05] <Quenyar> Does anyone have a good way to cause ubuntu (Hoary) to stop at runlevel 2 and not progress on to runlevel 5?
[06:05] <memnoc> ml267: it usually comes with that repository already configured.. i actually removed it so it doesn't keep looking for the CD everytime..
[06:05] <crimsun> Quenyar: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play runlevel games. 2-5 are identical.
[06:06] <Okt> I can't change my resolution to anything higher that 1024x768
[06:06] <carthik> dcraven_ I will have to live with this yet, i guess
[06:06] <Okt> any help?
[06:06] <Quenyar> crimsun so I can't start it in text mode and type startx?
[06:06] <crimsun> Okt: we need a lot more info.
[06:06] <ml267> memnoc: i have the reverse situation... i have a CD and want to upgrade with it before hitting the repositories
[06:06] <dcraven_> carthik, we'll think of something.
[06:06] <carthik> Okt, there were threads at the forums that explain how to change that
[06:06] <Dreamer32> crimsun: i've been running apps from my laptop on my desktop using X over SSH tunnels, pretty sweet stuff....
[06:06] <Okt> I am looking on the forums, but am unable to find anything
[06:07] <crimsun> Quenyar: now why would you do that if you're just going to end up in X Window System? ;)
[06:07] <Quenyar> I am still also looking for a way to get better than 800 x 600 screen resolution
[06:07] <CT> crimsun, Why cant i access the drive for write permission then
[06:07] <carthik> Okt, basically, find out the refresh rates for your monitor/screen and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:07] <Dreamer32> crimsun: is it nvidia.com?
[06:07] <dougsk> ml267, you might try sudo apt-setup not sure tbh
[06:07] <wulfy814> ok so you folks running twinview must be uber-geeks
[06:07] <memnoc> ml267: i'm not quite sure the exact line i deleted.. just a sec, i'll look it up
[06:07] <carthik> dcraven_ I will post the solution to my blog, if I find it :)
[06:07] <wulfy814> I'm trying to run it with two Dell 2001FP's
[06:07] <dcraven_> carthik, cool.
[06:07] <crimsun> CT: do you have read and execute permission at least?
[06:07] <wulfy814> connected to a Geoforce 5200 with one Analog, and one DVI
[06:07] <ml267> memnoc: that's alright, apt-cdrom gave me a line
[06:07] <Quenyar> crimsun - I am moving the computer to another location, where I will have a different monitor (that I don't know what it is) rather than not being able to use it at all, I'd like to at least used it text
[06:07] <CT> crimsun yes i do
[06:07] <wulfy814> I have tried every tip I can find on the net including the ones in the forum
[06:07] <crimsun> CT: and as root?
[06:07] <Okt> I don't have xorg.conf, I have XF86Config-4
[06:08] <CT> yes
[06:08] <crimsun> CT: "yes" what?
[06:08] <wulfy814> and the best I can do is get my analog connecte monitor to do a 3200x1600 desktop that pans
[06:08] <memnoc> ml267: yea.. that too :)
[06:08] <CT> yes as root i can access read and execute
[06:08] <crimsun> CT: can you write as root?
[06:08] <CT> no
[06:08] <CT> no i cant write
[06:08] <crimsun> CT: and you're positive it's ext[23] ?
[06:08] <Quenyar> dcraven - any more thoughts on my resolution dilemma?
[06:08] <ml267> memnoc: maybe apt-cdrom is all i need to get apt to remember about my cd.  *fingers-crossed*
[06:09] <carthik> CT, edit /etc/fstab to change the permission for the drive, then do a mount -o remount /dev/whatever
[06:09] <memnoc> ml267: i think you need to do some kind of add command to get it in the repo list..
[06:09] <CT> i cant edit the fstab because its read only
[06:09] <carthik> CT, defaults are good if nothing else... check to see what permissions work for your /home/ drive...
[06:10] <crimsun> CT: remount it rw first
[06:10] <ml267> wow, the repositories are really swamped..  taking a long time just to download the packages file.  'am glad i bittorrented the CD to do the upgrade
[06:10] <wulfy814> anybody running twinview that would care to pass me their xorg.conf
[06:10] <carthik> CT sudo before the edit command...
[06:10] <carthik> CT suo nano /etc/.... or
[06:10] <carthik> sudo pico /etc/....
[06:10] <crimsun> mount / -o remount,rw
[06:10] <carthik> you get the idea...
[06:10] <crimsun> (presuming / is the partition in question)
[06:10] <CT> etc/... (what goes next)
[06:10] <memnoc> ml267: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'deb cdrom:/ hoary main restricted' somewhere in there..
[06:11] <Smeven> hi
[06:11] <carthik> CT /etc/fstab (fstab is file system table... to help you remember for later :) )
[06:11] <memnoc> ml267: i'm not 100% on this, so make sure to backup first..
[06:11] <Okt> I am sorry, but I am a complete noob, and I realize that I am most likely inturupting, but I am really trying to get into this whole "Linux" scene, I have searched the forums, and asked for help, but all I need is some 1 on 1 time with someone willing to assist me.
[06:11] <CT> ill try this thanks peoples
[06:11] <ml267> memnoc: yeah.. i've at least backed up my /home
[06:11] <carthik> Okt, try pming me
[06:12] <crimsun> Okt: what do you need?
[06:12] <memnoc> hehe Dreamer* is ghosting all over.
[06:12] <ml267> i wonder if it's safe to do the upgrade while I'm in X/Gnome.  maybe i should boot to single user mode to do this?
[06:12] <jirwin> hello
[06:12] <FenixRF> Hello everyone
[06:13] <jirwin> do I have to configure software sound mixing in hoary?
[06:13] <spanglesontoast> anyone know much about perl?
[06:13] <FenixRF> dcraven, with Hoary... works fine :)
[06:13] <Dreamer32> crimsun: i sent a bug report
[06:13] <FenixRF> (without wep)
[06:13] <crimsun> Dreamer32: excellent.
[06:13] <FenixRF> dcraven, and without ndiswrapper also
[06:13] <memnoc> ml267: i upgraded while working as usual.. then i just rebooted..
[06:13] <crimsun> jirwin: esd is used by default (with alsa's oss emulation as the backend)
[06:13] <dcraven_> FenixRF, ahaha!! Nice!
[06:13] <Smeven> is there any plans to actually have howl support in ubuntu?
[06:13] <pedro> hey all :)
[06:13] <ml267> memnoc: sweet :)
[06:13] <wulfy814> No twinview users still awake ?
[06:13] <FenixRF> dcraven, MAC access list will do for security for now
[06:13] <Dreamer32> crimsun: i asked if they had any suggestions, should i expect a personal reply you think, or it'll just b efiled and cataloged? :)
[06:13] <memnoc> ml267: i'm sure it isn't recommended, but i haven't noticed any errors. :)
[06:14] <crimsun> Smeven: it was ripped out of hoary for reasons regarding non-free parts.
[06:14] <jirwin> crimsun, is there a specific reason gnome sounds work, but sounds from a flash movie wouldn't
[06:14] <jirwin> ?
[06:14] <dcraven_> FenixRF, WEP isn't supported using that driver?
[06:14] <crimsun> jirwin: yes.  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[06:14] <dcraven_> FenixRF, blah.. Nobody's listening anyways :)
[06:14] <FenixRF> dcraven, using the ACX-100 driver... it is, but doesn't work properly... I can't see with it... so I'll stick without wep for now.
[06:14] <Smeven> crimsun: is it available through a non-free mirror somewhere?
[06:14] <Dreamer32> crimsun: you don't have any idea why sometimes my laptop would realize it's been reattached to power and other times it would not do you?  it continue to "think" (ie, spin down HD, etc) it's on battery until I run /etc/acpi/power.sh by hand, at which point it resolves things
[06:15] <ml267> memnoc:  alright, I think i'll do it the classic debian way...  apt-get dist-upgrade from a single user console
[06:15] <pedro> ubuntu-calendar-april i want it!
[06:15] <crimsun> Dreamer32: they will contact you if they require additional info. Don't expect a personal reply otherwise.
[06:15] <gabe123> is there a program for mouse gestures?
[06:15] <jirwin> crimsun, thanks a lot :)
[06:15] <Dreamer32> crimsun: ah
[06:15] <Dreamer32> crimsun: so it's not "support" :)
[06:15] <FenixRF> dcraven, I wanna do one more thing before going to bed... get a bootsplash ... or whatever it's called... like on the livecd, instead of showing all the commands as they execute, just a progress bar
[06:15] <libben> I dont get on how to use a desklet... ive installed the gdesklet... downloaded my own desklet that i just wanna run... ive typed ./Install_deskletsname.bin
[06:15] <libben> and it did something
[06:15] <libben> but how do i select the desklet?
[06:16] <libben> im in the manage desklets
[06:16] <crimsun> Smeven: no.
[06:16] <libben> anyone ?
[06:16] <carthik> libben, run gdesklet from the applications menu
[06:16] <libben> carthik, yeah ive done that
[06:16] <ml267> alrighty... i'll see you guys when i get back from the upgrading!
[06:16] <libben> im in the manage desklets
[06:16] <libben> but i have downloaded my own desklets
[06:16] <carthik> select the desklet you need
[06:16] <libben> instead of using the desklets package.
[06:16] <carthik> and then click on the desktop
[06:17] <libben> thats the point... ive installed as it said
[06:17] <libben> with ./Install_filename.bin
[06:17] <carthik> okay... that case, libben right click on the desklet, and "run with" gdesklets
[06:17] <dcraven_> FenixRF, I don't think usplash is ready just yet.
[06:17] <libben> and then i runned gdesklet... and managed it... but i cant point to where my .display desklet is
[06:17] <Smeven> crimsun: is ubuntu worried about not being able to offer this feature?
[06:17] <imperfect-> I just installed 4.10 fresh
[06:17] <WebWiz> hmm XFCE is pretty nice ;)
[06:18] <imperfect-> do I need to just change my sources.list to reflect hoarty and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:18] <libben> wich file is the "the file to choose" ?
[06:18] <FenixRF> dcraven, bah!
[06:18] <libben> when u do Select package
[06:18] <crimsun> Smeven: it was not a matter of being able to support it but it being questionably illegal.
[06:18] <derek> any pointers to problems with logitech wireless usb mouse not working?
[06:18] <soopurman> how can i get a /dev/sd? node for the firewire harddrive i just connected, so i can mount it ?
[06:18] <dcraven_> FenixRF, that's why it never made hoary like it was supposed to.
[06:18] <Smeven> crimsun: how can it be illegal?
[06:18] <imperfect-> Can I do that?
[06:19] <imperfect-> And if so where i can get a good hoarty sources.list file?
[06:19] <libben> anyone knows wich file that is the package file?
[06:19] <crimsun> Smeven: questionably infringing on a large company's IP?
[06:19] <SeeRSea> imperfect- you might have to do a apt-get upgrade before the dist-upgrade.  That'll work though, I think
[06:19] <derek> imperfect-: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:19] <libben> oooh... install package... is it the tarballed gzipped file?
[06:19] <libben> cause i extracted it
[06:19] <Smeven> are you referring to apples "rendevous"?
[06:19] <Smeven> crimsun: ?
[06:19] <kakalto> how do I make kdm load on startup?
[06:19] <FenixRF> dcraven, so how do I prevent the verbose boot sequence?
[06:19] <crimsun> Smeven: yep
[06:19] <spanglesontoast> funky perl sucks long live windows .exe lol
[06:20] <imperfect-> derek: well aren't there main repositories for hoarty nwo that it's released?
[06:20] <kakalto> anyone?
[06:20] <Smeven> crimsun: i have never heard that from anyone
[06:20] <Smeven> do you have an article that discusses this?
[06:20] <spiderworm> when i install the nvidia drivers, edit my xorg.conf file, and restart the x server, my screen is completely black but i can hear the pretty ubuntu sounds, and can hear it responding to keyboard input, anybody have any idea what could be going on here?
[06:21] <crimsun> Smeven: it's spewed all over the changelogs for any packages that depended on howl
[06:21] <derek> imperfect-: should be there
[06:21] <Smeven> oh
[06:21] <imperfect-> hehe
[06:21] <imperfect-> i was speling it hoarty
[06:21] <imperfect-> that was my bnad ;)
[06:21] <imperfect-> er bad
[06:21] <imperfect-> no wonder it wasn't working
[06:21] <Smeven> crimsun: has howl received any flack from apple?
[06:21] <FenixRF> So anyone... how does one hide the verbose boot-up in Ubuntu Hoary?
[06:21] <imperfect-> FenixRF : Avert your eyes./
[06:21] <memnoc> i have a weird problem with Mplayer.. all the menus and preferences have this old, ugly as hell look.. take a look: http://memmnoc.swifthost.net/pics/Screenshot.png now, what is it and how can i fix it?
[06:21] <spanglesontoast> turn the screen off
[06:22] <FenixRF> imperfect-, haha...
[06:22] <kakalto> does anyone know how to make kdm load by default, and gdm not load by default on startup?
[06:22] <crimsun> kakalto: dpkg-reconfigure kdm ?
[06:22] <Jet2k5> Ok guys I think the update went completely fine
[06:22] <thundrcleeze> wait 6 months for the next version that has a splash screen, FenixRF.
[06:22] <Jet2k5> dcraven: I think everything is working
[06:22] <kakalto> crimsun: no, that changes default, but doesn't add kdm to the startup
[06:22] <dcraven_> FenixRF, I did what the 4th post says here... Kinda worked well --> http://tinyurl.com/4y3f8
[06:22] <imperfect-> well
[06:22] <FenixRF> oh brother... really?
[06:22] <Jet2k5> I have gnome and at the top it's somethign new called Places?
[06:22] <imperfect-> I just did a dist-upgrade
[06:22] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, awesome!
[06:22] <imperfect-> wonder how it's going tow ork out ;)
[06:22] <dcraven_> Jet2k5, nice eh?
[06:23] <kakalto> crimsun: any other ideas?
[06:23] <xgates> so did 5.04 go final today?
[06:23] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: very, but I think I might still be getting some proplems from running apt-get update & upgrade
[06:23] <crimsun> kakalto: I don't use Kubuntu, sorry
[06:23] <imperfect-> xgates: slashdot said so
[06:23] <xgates> I'm dumping Slack after 5 years and grabbing that LOL
[06:23] <Jet2k5> dcraven_: says somethinga bout authenticating?
[06:23] <kakalto> crimsun: neither do I, and that's the problem
[06:23] <xgates> I havent the time to sit and compile all the time anymore
[06:23] <xgates> lol
[06:23] <imperfect-> hehe
[06:23] <kakalto> I use ubuntu, but I apt-got kubuntu-desktop
[06:23] <Smeven> memnoc: is amarok nice?
[06:23] <LeeColleton> xgates: check the /topic
[06:23] <imperfect-> I dumped lack 10 years ago ;)
[06:23] <imperfect-> er slack
[06:24] <kakalto> Smeven: amarok is very nice.
[06:24] <Smeven> kakalto: even on a gnome desktop?
[06:24] <imperfect-> what's Amarock?
[06:24] <memnoc> Smeven: it's awesome. even better than foobar2000 on windows. :)
[06:24] <Smeven> :)
[06:24] <kakalto> Smeven: I don't use gnome
[06:24] <CheeseBall> about authenticating...go to the unoffical ubuntu guide and it will tell ya what to do
[06:24] <Smeven> kakalto: kde?
[06:24] <kakalto> yeah
[06:24] <imperfect-> what's Amarock?
[06:25] <CheeseBall> i had a problem with it but luckly the unoffical guide was already updated
[06:25] <jdubFest> amarok is a music player and manager
[06:25] <kakalto> imperfect-: it's AmaroK
[06:25] <Smeven> jdubFest: long time no see
[06:25] <memnoc> amaroK screenshot: http://amarok.kde.org/index.php?full=1&set_albumName=1-2-series&id=3_G&option=com_gallery&Itemid=60&include=view_photo.php
[06:25] <seven_six_two> its good
[06:25] <Dreamer3> why the !@#( do i have to be a member to search a forum?
[06:25] <seven_six_two> low resource usage too i believe
[06:25] <MrParker> I love you allllll
[06:25] <MrParker> :p;
[06:25] <MrParker> :P
[06:26] <chiddy> http://amarok.kde.org/ <-- its the only thing i really miss from kde but not enough to install half of kde just to use it :)
[06:26] <DonL> Hi folks
[06:26] <toresbe> hey DonL
[06:26] <CheeseBall> just use the apt-get command and it installs
[06:26] <imperfect-> the kde libs are much tighter imho
[06:26] <jdubFest> chiddy: very similar features are on the way for rb
[06:26] <CheeseBall> im doing it right now
[06:26] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[06:26] <kakalto> does anyone know how to make kdm load on startup?
[06:26] <toresbe> chiddy: I had no choice... I needed kbabel
[06:26] <chiddy> jdubFest, thats very good to hear :)
[06:26] <imperfect-> I'll prolly just use ampache
[06:26] <toresbe> chiddy: gtranslate sucks :P
[06:27] <jdubFest> kakalto: install it, it will ask you which you want during install
[06:27] <chiddy> toresbe, whats gtranslate?
[06:27] <imperfect-> I've got a PCIExpress Nvidia card
[06:27] <kakalto> jdubFest: but that doesn't make it load on startup
[06:27] <kakalto> that just changes the default
[06:27] <Smeven> jdubFest: how is rb going?
[06:27] <imperfect-> wonder if there are decent drivers for it
[06:27] <linuxpoet> O.k. solved the problem with my laptop
[06:27] <toresbe> chiddy: they're both programs to translate software
[06:27] <CheeseBall> it should be in in the login screen setup kakalto
[06:27] <imperfect-> my laptop
[06:27] <imperfect-> is a powerbook
[06:27] <linuxpoet> I am going to install FC3, then copy the xorg.conf to another machine
[06:27] <kakalto> ok
[06:27] <jdubFest> Smeven: dunno, don't keep track
[06:27] <kakalto> thanks CheeseBall
[06:27] <kakalto> I'll give it ago
[06:27] <imperfect-> is needs not ubuntu for it is already perfect
[06:27] <linuxpoet> then reinstall Ubuntu and copy the xorg.conf back
[06:27] <CheeseBall> np hopefully that helps
[06:28] <Smeven> ah
[06:28] <toresbe> linuxpoet: uh, that seems like too much work
[06:28] <Jet2k5> brb time to reboot
[06:28] <DonL> toresbe, just showing my friend Lee how to use this site
[06:28] <toresbe> linuxpoet: what's your problem?
[06:28] <toresbe> DonL: Huh?
[06:28] <toresbe> DonL: Oh, the channel? It's not a site, it's a channel :)
[06:28] <DonL> sorry. Meant channel
[06:29] <CheeseBall> once you go linux you never go back
[06:29] <toresbe> DonL: and Lee! Run! Run while you can still escape the horrible addiction that is IRC!
[06:29] <linuxpoet> I can't get X to go on my laptop
[06:29] <toresbe> DonL: ;)
[06:29] <imperfect-> CheeseBall : That's not true ;)
[06:29] <linuxpoet> Just black screen
[06:29] <DonL> haha
[06:29] <CheeseBall> i think so
[06:29] <linuxpoet> I can get a console no problem
[06:29] <DonL> He's been using Windows for a while
[06:29] <CheeseBall> i have to use my win machince to do some stuff
[06:29] <toresbe> linuxpoet: well, then, what display card are you using?
[06:29] <jerrymcfarts> hey guys
[06:29] <imperfect-> I just get tired of having to fix linux all the time
[06:29] <CheeseBall> but most of my day to day computing can be done on my linux machine
[06:29] <imperfect-> got tired years ago when i got a life and a job
[06:30] <imperfect-> and i lost the freetime needed to make it fun
[06:30] <jerrymcfarts> this semester i finally went 100% linux
[06:30] <toresbe> imperfect-: huh? You ran Linux The Wrong Way :)
[06:30] <jerrymcfarts> windows can blow m
[06:30] <seven_six_two> ass opposed to windows breaking and being unfixable?
[06:30] <linuxpoet> It has an ATI IGP 320
[06:30] <DonL> I've been Windows free for about 4 years now
[06:30] <CheeseBall> i agree imperfect- but ubuntu is a really good low hassle distro
[06:30] <pe7er> 471 5uxx u lu20r2
[06:30] <seven_six_two> almost a year for me
[06:30] <jerrymcfarts> congrats DonL
[06:30] <pe7er> (j/k) :)
[06:30] <toresbe> DonL: cool
[06:30] <FenixRF> ok all... thanks... time for bed
[06:30] <DonL> jerrymcfarts, thanks
[06:30] <imperfect-> toresbe : To linux's credit I was dealing with 1.1.x series kernels and nothing worked ;)
[06:30] <toresbe> FenixRF: nite
[06:30] <jerrymcfarts> only 5-8 months for me
[06:30] <FenixRF> dcraven, thanks for all your help
[06:30] <pe7er> g'night
[06:30] <CheeseBall> i have to comps running now one win and one linux
[06:30] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[06:31] <imperfect-> It's lighyears better
[06:31] <GhostFreeman> How can I check to see what kernel I am running
[06:31] <toresbe> imperfect-: Oh, *that* kind of linux :)
[06:31] <jerrymcfarts> do people know much about running tcpdump?
[06:31] <seven_six_two> pe7er, looks like script-kiddie language
[06:31] <jerrymcfarts> I am learning it in some our computer classes
[06:31] <GhostFreeman> How can I check to see what kernel I am running
[06:31] <pe7er> i took a course
[06:31] <imperfect-> toresbe; yeah I was the geeky highschool kid fighting to get PPP connections estashlished ;)
[06:31] <imperfect-> actually
[06:31] <toresbe> imperfect-: as was I, with RH 6.1
[06:31] <imperfect-> hehe
[06:31] <imperfect-> I win!
[06:31] <jerrymcfarts> GhostFreeman, type uname -a
[06:31] <toresbe> Ah, the memory errors...
[06:31] <NeoEcoS> how to use apt-get to install a new kernel image ?? i want to get 2.6.10-5 version
[06:32] <Xgates_> so apt-get  kubuntu just installs Kde and nothing else?
[06:32] <imperfect-> I used slackware 3.0
[06:32] <imperfect-> ;)
[06:32] <imperfect-> Redhat 2 was considered kiddieware ;)
[06:32] <toresbe> imperfect-: cheater! you were born before me :)
[06:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: you can't search the dumb nv forums without registering
[06:32] <toresbe> imperfect-: I got it free in a book
[06:32] <imperfect-> toresbe; prolly.. i was 18 in 95
[06:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3: so register
[06:32] <GhostFreeman> thanks jerry
[06:32] <imperfect-> toresbe: actyually redhate 6.1 was the first distro I saw that actually looked useable out of the box
[06:32] <toresbe> imperfect-: I'm 17 now :P
[06:32] <imperfect-> I won a copy at a LUG meeting
[06:33] <jerrymcfarts> yep
[06:33] <imperfect-> toresbe; you'd have have to been like 11
[06:33] <imperfect-> that was 99
[06:33] <jerrymcfarts> jerrymcfarts,
[06:33] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i did, but i haven't got an e-mai lfrom them
[06:33] <toresbe> imperfect-: that sounds about right
[06:33] <jerrymcfarts> if i run a tcpdump -w file.name
[06:33] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'd never make an otherwise public form and require an account just to search :(
[06:33] <sig> ok guys I did a dist-upgrade and now I have no x server
[06:33] <jerrymcfarts> how would i decipher it?
[06:33] <CheeseBall> any one have a sound engine problem in amarok?
[06:33] <toresbe> imperfect-: no, I think I was 12
[06:33] <sig> it says your xserver isn't setup right please restart gdm when it is
[06:33] <Dreamer3> crimsun: why can't the world just all share my sensabilities? :)
[06:33] <Quest-Master> sig: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:33] <sig> how do I fix this?
[06:33] <imperfect-> damn
[06:33] <CheeseBall> dosent detect sound engine
[06:34] <imperfect-> I think it's neccessary to deal with pubic hair before linux
[06:34] <imperfect-> and when iw as 12
[06:34] <sig> Quest-Master: it should have done that in the dist-upgrade
[06:34] <imperfect-> It was DOS 3.3 !
[06:34] <toresbe> imperfect-: hehe
[06:34] <Quest-Master> sig: I know, but it doesn't
[06:34] <sig> lame
[06:34] <imperfect-> man i used to like download 200k programs on my 1200 baud modem
[06:34] <ice_1963> k
[06:34] <jerrymcfarts> sig
[06:34] <toresbe> imperfect-: cool :)
[06:34] <jerrymcfarts> you have lynx installed?
[06:34] <Xgates_> how is Kubuntu working for everyone?
[06:34] <toresbe> imperfect-: I'm a retrogeek, amusingly
[06:34] <imperfect-> just to play with it
[06:34] <jerrymcfarts> you could reisntall it by doing this
[06:34] <rdw200169> i like kubuntu
[06:34] <toresbe> imperfect-: so I have all that stuff :)
[06:35] <imperfect-> i thought software was so cool
[06:35] <GhostFreeman> If I install Kubuntu
[06:35] <jerrymcfarts> lynx -source http://go-gnome.com |sh
[06:35] <imperfect-> i mean just stupid like accounting software
[06:35] <CheeseBall> what is  Kubuntu?
[06:35] <imperfect-> I was completely dumbfounded
[06:35] <seven_six_two> i used apple until my 486dx33, and i wish i had known about linux before windows 3.1 was foisted on me
[06:35] <jerrymcfarts> Ubuntu with KDE
[06:35] <GhostFreeman> can I switch between KDE and GNOME
[06:35] <ice_1963> i use gnome
[06:35] <jdubFest> CheeseBall: ubuntu, kde style
[06:35] <imperfect-> CheeseBall : ubunutu based around KDE and not GNOME
[06:35] <rdw200169> kubuntu is a version of ubuntu that has kde
[06:35] <jerrymcfarts> how is KDE?
[06:35] <DonL> Off for now. See you later
[06:35] <jerrymcfarts> in Kubuntu?
[06:35] <pe7er> imperfect-, as a real retrogeek you need to install pcboard and get multiple phone lines just for modem access :)
[06:35] <memnoc> i have a weird problem with Mplayer.. all the menus and preferences have this old, ugly as hell look.. take a look: http://memmnoc.swifthost.net/pics/Screenshot.png now, what is it and how can i fix it?
[06:35] <rdw200169> if you have the normal ubuntu installed...
[06:35] <jdubFest> GhostFreeman: yes, install either
[06:35] <fhobia> if i install warty and upgrade via internet - do i get hoary ?
[06:35] <rdw200169> you can add kubuntu w/ apt-get install kubuntu
[06:36] <imperfect-> pe7er : I owned PCBoard 14.5
[06:36] <GhostFreeman> where would I choose? gdm?
[06:36] <imperfect-> pe7er: and I had 4 lines.
[06:36] <cows> jerrymcfarts,
[06:36] <Xgates_> Is the team that makes Ubuntu also the  ones that make the Kubuntu iso?
[06:36] <jdubFest> GhostFreeman: if you have both installed, yes
[06:36] <imperfect-> pe7er: ;)
[06:36] <evilmegaman> Can I get java with apt?
[06:36] <pe7er> imperfect-, all right, qualified :)
[06:36] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: not bad I think. I used for a while
[06:36] <CheeseBall> i c
[06:36] <rdw200169> it asks if you want to keep gdm or use kdm
[06:36] <CheeseBall> cool
[06:36] <imperfect-> and I owned wildcat
[06:36] <crimsun> Xgates_: Kubuntu is a community project based on Ubuntu.
[06:36] <imperfect-> and spitfire
[06:36] <imperfect-> my parents spent so much money
[06:36] <CheeseBall> i beleive that KDE is too bloated tho
[06:36] <GhostFreeman> could I switch back
[06:36] <jdubFest> Xgates_: with different people doing kde and gnome
[06:36] <seven_six_two> spitfire for me. and Omega
[06:36] <crimsun> Xgates_: see #kubuntu
[06:36] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, I got that out of the book , Running linux
[06:36] <GhostFreeman> because I don't think much of KDE
[06:36] <toresbe> imperfect-: yeah, I had that feeling too
[06:36] <imperfect-> i even had Galacticomm
[06:36] <rdw200169> after a restart it will have both gnome and kde available in the gdm/kdm
[06:36] <NeoEcoS> evilmegaman Yes you can just need to add repositories for java
[06:36] <GhostFreeman> oh ok
[06:37] <imperfect-> dide
[06:37] <imperfect-> remember OblivionX
[06:37] <Xgates_> crimsun: I was just trying to figure whats the differences in the Ubuntu iso and the Kubuntu iso if you dl and install this way
[06:37] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: got what from book?
[06:37] <imperfect-> and renegade
[06:37] <jerrymcfarts> does anyone know of any good forums or chat rooms that I can learn security? TCPDUMP, dsniff, msgsnarf
[06:37] <imperfect-> the warez baords
[06:37] <evilmegaman> Oh ok :) where can I find the repositories NeoEcoS?
[06:37] <Kilter> I'm having some issues with my wireless.  it connected shortly after install, but now it won't connect again.  when I'm in the Network Tools, it sees it, but won't always let it configure.  thoughts?
[06:37] <imperfect-> good stuff
[06:37] <toresbe> no, not really :)
[06:37] <Striss> Could anybody here help me with Network Bridgeing?
[06:37] <imperfect-> jerrymcfarts : If you can learn to read TCPDUMP in real time, you shall be a sekurity ninja -- you will walk a different path.
[06:37] <jdubFest> Striss: it's really easy in ubuntu
[06:37] <toresbe> I really wish I hadn't missed the BBS scene... :\
[06:38] <Striss> jdubFest, could you lend me a hand?
[06:38] <rdw200169> Kilter: what drivers are you using
[06:38] <jdubFest> Striss: install bridge-utils
[06:38] <pe7er> imperfect-, oh. there were a couple of systems ...X ... VisionX? etc? They had theese cool ansi graphics.
[06:38] <Striss> I just did
[06:38] <imperfect-> yeah
[06:38] <NeoEcoS> evilmegaman http://www.guia-ubuntu.org/hoary/doku.php?id=repositorios
[06:38] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, "Running Linux" is a great book, how to install gnome from commandshell. lynx -source http://go-gnume.com | sh
[06:38] <imperfect-> VisionX and Oblivion
[06:38] <sig> Quest-Master: so why does it not setup right?
[06:38] <Striss> i went thru what the Howto said, but it didn't work
[06:38] <seven_six_two> toresbe, you missed lots of big phone bills
[06:38] <jdubFest> Striss: and read the docs included -> really easy changes in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:38] <sig> the xserver that is?
[06:38] <imperfect-> Do you remember Vigilante's PPE's?
[06:38] <evilmegaman> thanks NeoEcoS :)
[06:38] <seven_six_two> or RIPterm?
[06:38] <toresbe> seven_six_two: no, I didn't, my parents did :)
[06:38] <imperfect-> I reverse enginneered a bunch of those to crack them so we could use em
[06:38] <imperfect-> he had the most badass PPE's
[06:38] <jerrymcfarts> imperfect-, :-P Find the eternal bliss
[06:38] <jerrymcfarts> imperfect-, and the matrix becomes me
[06:39] <Kilter> rdw200169, only what pre-installed.  how can I determine exactly what I'm using to help explain it?
[06:39] <memnoc> anyone know about my problem with Mplayer?
[06:39] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: i see.
[06:39] <Striss> only doc i could find that was useful was the HOWTO file, and that didn't help much
[06:39] <NeoEcoS> evilmegaman, after yuo do a apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[06:39] <crimsun> memnoc: what problem?
[06:39] <emil_> hello
[06:39] <memnoc> i have a weird problem with Mplayer.. all the menus and preferences have this old, ugly as hell look.. take a look: http://memmnoc.swifthost.net/pics/Screenshot.png now, what is it and how can i fix it?
[06:39] <emil_> I have a "small" problem with my ubuntu...
[06:39] <Xgates_> CheeseBall: well personally I never use Kde or Gnome I just install them so you can use alot of apps that need to compile against them as dependancies, personally my favorite is Openbox3 :-)
[06:39] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster,  as you can see I am a newb :-P but im completely off Windows a great achievment for me
[06:39] <rdw200169> Kilter: does the device show up in ipconfig or iwconfig: i.e. wlan0, etc...
[06:39] <crimsun> memnoc: there's nothing wrong with that.
[06:40] <emil_> somehow my / system got corrupted, so I ran fsck which removed a few files (ahem.. some gnome libs) How can I reinstall EVERY package?
[06:40] <cows> exit
[06:40] <crimsun> memnoc: that's just gtk1
[06:40] <Kilter> yes, if I set it in /etc/network/interfaces to do so, it does come up
[06:40] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: oh ya. You will get use to Linux and then love it
[06:40] <GhostFreeman> being off Windows is a great feeling
[06:40] <imperfect-> man
[06:40] <memnoc> crimsun: it's supposed to look like that? how can i bring it up to gtk2?
[06:40] <imperfect-> I miss BBSing suddenyl
[06:40] <Kilter> and it did get an ip a while ago, but with no full connection.
[06:40] <pe7er> imperfect-, i do. amazingly. it's not in my 'active memory'. but... huh. but its 6:40 AM over here, i'm out
[06:40] <toresbe> crimsun: It *is* that way. They'd have to recode it to GTK2+ for it to look better
[06:40] <GhostFreeman> I miss Windows for its games :(
[06:40] <Kilter> I screwed it trying to do the wep bit and figure out how to have multiple saved configurations
[06:40] <seven_six_two> memnoc, it looks ok to me too.
[06:40] <Xgates_> off M$ lol BUT you should use it just for gaming, hard to beat if for games still
[06:40] <imperfect-> pe7er : later.
[06:40] <Xgates_> :-)
[06:40] <jerrymcfarts> lol i3dmaster actually you will get linux, think it pretty cool, because its different and free.. then you WILL HATE IT!!! then after that stage, you will fall helplessly in love with it
[06:40] <CheeseBall> thanks Xgates_  im always up for trying something new
[06:40] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: you will always have questions and someone here will be able to give you the answer and you will feel you are learning...
[06:41] <GhostFreeman> Windows is being advertised for gaming
[06:41] <GhostFreeman> I'd say MS is losing
[06:41] <linux_galore> memnoc: mplayer has its own theme setup just either change theme or download one
[06:41] <imperfect-> shrug
[06:41] <crimsun> toresbe: you meant to address memnoc.
[06:41] <eruin> ms?
[06:41] <imperfect-> I use OS X for most productivity
[06:41] <imperfect-> I use linux to play
[06:41] <imperfect-> ;)
[06:41] <toresbe> crimsun: indeed, apologees
[06:41] <rdw200169> Kilter, hmm..
[06:41] <memnoc> but i remember running Mplayer on a PCLinuxOS livecd and the prefs didn't look like that..
[06:41] <seven_six_two> How to ask Smart Questions ----    http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[06:41] <Xgates_> CheeseBall: Openbox3 is probably one of the fastest Wm's out there, I'd say a little bit smaller then Balckbox
[06:41] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, yep i agree Linux people are sweet, Linuxquestions.org has been my crutch, people are so helpful :-P
[06:41] <emil_> anyone? how can I fix my ubuntu system? :(
[06:41] <eruin> linux for gmaing yeah, hell, even windows games through cedega run faster than on win :P
[06:41] <toresbe> memnoc: It *is* that way. They'd have to recode it to GTK2+ for it to look better
[06:41] <GhostFreeman> I use Windows for gaming and Photoshop, because I ain't buying cedega
[06:41] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: hmmm... I guess I still not in the HATE stage yet... :)
[06:41] <jerrymcfarts> lol
[06:41] <memnoc> toresbe: but i remember running Mplayer on a PCLinuxOS livecd and the prefs didn't look like that..
[06:42] <Kilter> jerrymcfarts, wonderful isn't it.. people help and usually have a smile when they do it
[06:42] <SeeRSea> lol  OSNEWS.com is so corporate it makes me sick.
[06:42] <linux_galore> memnoc: PClinuxOS has lots of stuff pre themed or default to a nice theme
[06:42] <SeeRSea> I hate linspire
[06:42] <CheeseBall> cool
[06:42] <Xgates_> eruin: yes they do BUT not everything works still on cedega, thats where a good ole M$ box does come in handy :-)
[06:42] <GhostFreeman> Linspire is Linux for noobs
[06:42] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: yea
[06:42] <seven_six_two> emil_, do you backup?
[06:42] <eruin> membreya: that's just how mplayer is. gtk1.2
[06:42] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, yea it is a different world. I got passed my hate stage
[06:42] <SeeRSea> linspire is MS Linux
[06:42] <CheeseBall> in out for now but if i see ya in here again ill tell ya how it worked out
[06:42] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, I'm in love
[06:42] <rdw200169> Kilter, did you try to "ifup wlan0" to make dhcp do it's thing
[06:42] <memnoc> linux_galore: i'm guessing that's right, but how can i get Mplayer to have a GTK2 interface then?
[06:42] <GhostFreeman> I would have approved Microsoft taking them to court for all their money
[06:42] <Kilter> rdw200169, how can I figure out what hardware it detects?
[06:42] <smouche> I like the xfce window themes (no, not the ones that "look like windows")
[06:42] <eruin> Xgates_: I just removed the last remnants of windows on my machine :)
[06:42] <scott> SeeRSea: whatever, osnews is totally unprofessional. Eugenia is a dork who doesn't know jack.
[06:43] <emil_> seven_six_two, no, it's just my system files.. I just don't wanna format / and re-install everything from scratch...
[06:43] <Kilter> hmm, let me try, it comes in as eth0, perhaps that's where I'm screwed?
[06:43] <libben> my god what boring desklets... i want what cool ppl has on their screenshots
[06:43] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: hahe.. you must suffer under windows for a quite long time..
[06:43] <libben> damit =)
[06:43] <jerrymcfarts> Does anyone know how to msgsnart people on your buddy list? or does it only save your logs that you talk to people on your local host?
[06:43] <linux_galore> memnoc: right click on the mplayer window then click on skin browser.
[06:43] <SeeRSea> OSNEWS is a linspire fanboy site.  People love paying for software there, and support it
[06:43] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: I did not feel so hard when I start to learn Linux
[06:43] <Xgates_> eruin: lol, my box is dual boot, I just use M$ for gaming but its still on the hdd ---> Slack/XP
[06:43] <Xgates_> :-)
[06:43] <memnoc> linux_galore: i have installed new themes, but the menus look the same.
[06:43] <linux_galore> memnoc: my rig looks nothing like your either
[06:43] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, yep thats all i knew until i started college and wanted to learn Computers
[06:43] <SeeRSea> Ubuntu is much more worthy
[06:43] <emil_> seven_six_two, so my personal documents are still intact... just a couple ~10 files in /usr/lib
[06:43] <GhostFreeman> I tried to learn Linux with Gentoo
[06:43] <SeeRSea> So is slack, debian, etc
[06:43] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: i see
[06:43] <seven_six_two> emil_, you can try to replace them, but you should back up your system once it's installed, then you don't have to do that
[06:43] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, Knoppix Blew me away. And I was hooked after that
[06:44] <Xgates_> oh actually I use Office from time to time too, and publisher
[06:44] <rdw200169> Kilter, it's different for different wireless cards... i've never gotten one to work w/out ndiswrapper...
[06:44] <Xgates_> bbl
[06:44] <smouche> can some of you hacker gods package a BeOs clone for the salvation of us non-geeks?  that was a great desktop environment...
[06:44] <] BreliC[> silly question: how do i install an icon theme in gnome?
[06:44] <eruin> SeeRSea: anything wrong with paying for stuff?
[06:44] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: gotcha
[06:44] <GhostFreeman> yeah, we're cheapskates
[06:44] <emil_> seven_six_two, but I don't know exactly which ones are missing... :(
[06:44] <seven_six_two> emil_, is your /home on its own partition
[06:44] <linux_galore> memnoc: its using your gtk theme setup.....man thats one ugly gnome theme
[06:44] <emil_> seven_six_two,  yes
[06:45] <rdw200169> Kilter, most people have to find the .inf and .sys files for their particular wireless card and insert them into the kernel w/ndiswrapper
[06:45] <memnoc> linux_galore: hehe i'm guessing that's right.. but where can i change it?
[06:45] <Kilter> that doesn't seem to work...
[06:45] <SeeRSea> Erwin- no.  I don't believe in draconian licensing agreements
[06:45] <scott> SeeRSea: actually there are more ubuntu articles on osnews than about linspire
[06:45] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: try some distros that are easy to use and then once you had some experiecnes, try something challenging, such gentoo and lfs...
[06:45] <Kilter> ok, let me dig about for that, shouldn't be that hard to find
[06:45] <SeeRSea> I'm not paying for software anymore
[06:45] <rdw200169> Kilter, what card do you have?
[06:45] <seven_six_two> you can try to replace them, but i don't know how to find out which ones you're missing
[06:45] <memnoc> i will try removing it completely and then doing a fresh apt-get install mplayer
[06:45] <Obsidians> I've got a bunch of desktop pictures that I've downloaded, where would be the proper Linux-y place to put them all? Off my home directory? Off /usr/share? Somewhere else entirely?
[06:45] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: and you will find yourself into another stage... you will start to answer questions instead of just asking...
[06:46] <linux_galore> memnoc: you can change ubuntu's themes in the second drop down system menu
[06:46] <audix> Can anybody help me with troubleshooting a sound problem?  I can't get any sound and any of the sound outputs I choose, (ALSA, OSS, etc) give me the "failed to construct test pipeline" error
[06:46] <crimsun> audix: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:46] <] BreliC[> anyone?  how do i change the gnome icon theme? (i'm not new to linux, just to gnome)
[06:46] <emil_> seven_six_two, I was looking at the manpages of apt-get and dpkg and dselect... couldn't find if they could check if packages that were installed were missing files
[06:46] <Dreamer3> crimsun: can i totally stop vesafb from loading?
[06:46] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i think it might be interferring witht my video
[06:46] <linux_galore> memnoc: nothing to do with the install you just have an ugly gnome theme
[06:46] <crimsun> Dreamer3: blacklist it
[06:46] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, I am still a noob, but I feel like I am comfortable, converted 2 friends, but they don't ahve the passion i have for it. I have installed FC1,2,3, Slacware 9.1, 10, Suse 9.1 Pro, and now I am on UBUNTU
[06:46] <katya> has anybody had large files... be empty, on ext3?
[06:46] <Dreamer3> crimsun: in /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[06:46] <crimsun> Dreamer3: echo vesafb | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:46] <audix> crimsun: 0 snd_intel8x0
[06:46] <memnoc> linux_galore: Gorilla? that's not it..
[06:47] <crimsun> audix: amixer output to http://pastebin.com, please
[06:47] <katya> as in, in ls they show up nice and chock full of pretty data, but then when you open it (as root) it's .. 0 bytes
[06:47] <chiddy> i have one giant folder with all my wallpaper in it, is there anyway to get the wallpaper picker in Ubuntu to automatically load all the wallpaper in that folder and its subfolders instead of having to add it each time to get an updated wallpaper list???
[06:47] <Dreamer3> crimsun: vesafb
[06:47] <Dreamer3> fbcon
[06:47] <Dreamer3> crimsun: those lines are in there, with no effect
[06:47] <Kilter> Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG 802.11 b/g WLAN, rdw200169
[06:47] <linux_galore> memnoc: yeah thats gorilla also edit the fonts use smaller ones
[06:47] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i reboot and it's still there
[06:47] <toresbe> Wow, Hoary is frozen?
[06:47] <imperfect-> Anyone know if there is a X config program for ubuntu
[06:47] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: good for you man... you know, not everyone interests in learning computers..
[06:47] <crimsun> toresbe: for a couple days.
[06:47] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, Comfortable as in a sense of command line is my power, and im not scared
[06:47] <imperfect-> cuz it's configging out of range for me by default
[06:47] <toresbe> and *released*?
[06:47] <crimsun> imperfect-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:47] <imperfect-> crimsun; cool thanks
[06:48] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, yea i know, :-P i never force
[06:48] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts:that's good
[06:48] <memnoc> linux_galore: could it be because i installed mplayer-k6 (a Duron/Athlon version)?
[06:48] <katya> Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found. <- badblocks, fsck runs without even misbehaving inodes, this happens on *either* vfat or ext3, i've used both on this disc, but it so far has only happened on *this* disc.
[06:48] <imperfect-> crimsun; it never asked me before
[06:48] <sig> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[06:48] <sig> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:48] <linux_galore> memnoc: no
[06:48] <sig> how do I fix this?
[06:48] <audix> crimsun: http://www.pastebin.com/269198
[06:48] <CheeseBall> i got amarok working and it seems really cool so far
[06:48] <CheeseBall> had to use the xine sound engine
[06:48] <crimsun> sig: see AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[06:48] <deFrysk> sig http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/
[06:48] <toresbe> crimsun: then, what's the new, seriously unstable version for me, the cutting-edge whore? :)
[06:49] <Dreamer3> crimsun: any other suggestions?
[06:49] <Obsidians> I've got a bunch of desktop pictures that I've downloaded, where would be the proper Linux-y place to put them all? Off my home directory? Off /usr/share? Somewhere else entirely?
[06:49] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, http://liw.iki.fi/liw/texts/advocating-linux.html
[06:49] <crimsun> toresbe: nothing for another couple weeks. Give us a chance to breathe, please.
[06:49] <linux_galore> memnoc: I actually built my own version of mplayer because i wanted to hack in some extra codecs not supported by default the new version has really nice menu's compared to the last release
[06:49] <toresbe> crimsun: hehe, nevar!
[06:49] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster,  I do get excited :-P
[06:49] <deFrysk> Obsidians, /usr/share/pixmaps/whatever/
[06:49] <i3dmaster> well I do have a question. Im a little confused about the /etc/hdparm.conf file. Is that a conf file or a script. I saw flag settings and also the entire command. What would be a good way to setup hdparm under Ubuntu?
[06:49] <rdw200169> Kilter, http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipw2200/ this is the opensource project for the 2200bg centrino wifi cards
[06:49] <crimsun> i3dmaster: it's a conffile
[06:49] <memnoc> linux_galore: it can't be the theme.. every other app looks normal, the problem is specifically with Mplayer..
[06:49] <Dreamer3> crimsun: via_agp in there works (ie, it doesn't load) but vesafb in the blacklist seems to have no effect
[06:49] <darkgamer20> woooohoooo Hoary is Realeased!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:50] <Kilter> looking now rdw, thanks man
[06:50] <] BreliC[> memnoc, well, it could be.  i just installed skype and it looks like crap
[06:50] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $ gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file "/home/sig/.gnupg/gpg.conf"OK
[06:50] <sig> bash: gpg:: command not found
[06:50] <sig> crimsun: I get that?
[06:50] <crimsun> toresbe: I'll share it with my fellow universe maintainers and the ubuntu devs
[06:50] <spanglesontoast> can someone tell me what to put in after i mount /dev/whatevername /mnt/extra
[06:50] <libben> how can i choose wich deps i dont want to get installed when im about to install something that takes alot of shit with it
[06:50] <libben> ?
[06:50] <spanglesontoast> to make it read and write?
[06:50] <Dreamer3> crimsun: would i need to include like cfbimbblt (and things that depend on vesafb) as well?
[06:50] <toresbe> crimsun: good. I was actually only asking if you had decided on a name
[06:50] <crimsun> toresbe: (Breezy)
[06:51] <] BreliC[> spanglesontoast, the file system.. i.e -t nfs
[06:51] <toresbe> crimsun: ah, ok
[06:51] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'm tempted to just go move the modules
[06:51] <kakalto> how do I kustomise kdm?
[06:51] <i3dmaster> crimsun: but looks like it can be used as a script also. look at the comments
[06:51] <spanglesontoast> ext3
[06:51] <crimsun> Dreamer3: that's a last-ditch
[06:51] <deFrysk> kakalto, kdmsetup
[06:51] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, havint them in blacklist has 0 effect
[06:51] <Kilter> sigh... apt-get would have been so much funner rdw200169 :)
[06:51] <toresbe> crimsun: haha, "Breezy Badger"?
[06:51] <deFrysk> kakalto, use sudo
[06:51] <toresbe> crimsun: These names are worse than Debians! :)
[06:52] <linux_galore> memnoc: look in ~/.mplayer/gui.conf  file you can edit the defaults
[06:52] <crimsun> i3dmaster: not mine...
[06:52] <spanglesontoast> mount /dev/whatevername /mnt/extra -t ext3
[06:52] <spanglesontoast> so like that?
[06:52] <speel> hey quick question is gtkpod in the ubuntu repository?
[06:52] <i3dmaster> crimsun: I am getting use to use CLI, so wondering if I can just uncomment the last few lines and usethe hdparm command directly.
[06:52] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/whatevername /mnt/extra
[06:52] <sig> I get this crap that says: Error stopping PCMCIA.
[06:52] <rdw200169> Kilter, i've had a miserable time getting various wireless cards working in linux...
[06:52] <linux_galore> memnoc: the settings are in plain english text very easy to edit
[06:53] <i3dmaster> crimsun: are you using ubuntu?
[06:53] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: but the -o rw shouldn't be needed
[06:53] <sig> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:53] <crimsun> i3dmaster: ...yes
[06:53] <Doomgaze> for type ext3
[06:53] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[06:53] <spanglesontoast> ty
[06:53] <Doomgaze> np
[06:53] <sig> this dist-upgrade is a nightmare
[06:53] <memnoc> linux_galore: thanks, i'll look into it.. :)
[06:53] <Dreamer3> crimsun: maybe it's not started by hotplug?
[06:53] <i3dmaster> crimsun: then that would be the same. It provide you two ways of configuring hdparm.
[06:53] <speel> ??
[06:53] <crimsun> i3dmaster: hdparm can be used directly, yes. If you want your changes to /etc/hdparm.conf to take effect, then use the initscript
[06:53] <rdw200169> Kilter, http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1178183&forum_id=372479
[06:53] <wasap> you probably hear this all the time but i just installed ubuntu and it asks for root pass and i didnt set one.
[06:53] <toresbe> damn, so much incredibly cool work being done on it
[06:53] <audix> crimsun: output of amixer is at http://www.pastebin.com/269198
[06:53] <speel> hey quick question is gtkpod in the ubuntu repository?
[06:53] <toresbe> crimsun: I'm browsing the wiki... this stuff is excellent!
[06:53] <crimsun> audix: thanks, sec.
[06:54] <rdw200169> Kilter, "how to check if drivers are installed"
[06:54] <audix> crimsun thanks :)
[06:54] <sig> how do I manually stop pcmicia ?
[06:54] <crimsun> Dreamer3: not sure regarding your issue(s)
[06:54] <speel> ah anyone?
[06:54] <i3dmaster> crimsun: ya, Im gonna try it
[06:54] <crimsun> audix: your PCM is muted and set to zero
[06:54] <linux_galore> memnoc: you can also just flush ~/.mplayer/  ie rm -rf ~/.mplayer/  see if that fixes it
[06:54] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i will move the modules :) not like i use them... if upgrading to hoary release doesn't magically resovle it that is
[06:54] <audix> crimsun: ok thanks I'll look at that
[06:54] <sig> can someone in here with some knowledge help me?
[06:55] <spanglesontoast> doom only root has access
[06:55] <codyman> i am trying to apt-get install mplayer yet i get a "mplayer: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed"
[06:55] <crimsun> sig: many people in here are knowledgable; please be patient
[06:55] <speel> .....
[06:55] <crimsun> speel: apt-cache search gtkpod
[06:56] <sig> crimsun: I get these pcmcia errors and I can't continue with apt-get update
[06:56] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/whatevername /mnt/extra
[06:56] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: see if that works
[06:56] <speel> well the problem is im not on ubuntu lol
[06:56] <imperfect-> So anyway
[06:56] <crimsun> speel: yes, it is.
[06:56] <spanglesontoast> did that
[06:56] <speel> thank you very much
[06:56] <crimsun> speel: next time use http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:56] <linux_galore> codyman: mean you will have to update libfontconfig because the evrsion of mplayer your installing is a newer version with new dependencies
[06:56] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: what error does it give you?
[06:56] <jerrymcfarts> i3dmaster, thanks for that chat have a great night
[06:57] <lamont> sig: sudo /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop, I expect
[06:57] <spanglesontoast> no error just I want my normal use to access it
[06:57] <i3dmaster> jerrymcfarts: sure np. have fun...
[06:57] <codyman> linux_galore: so i will have to compile libfontconfig from source?  cause according to apt-get it is up to date
[06:57] <sig> lamont: yeah it is in use
[06:57] <wasap> is there a way to set a root pass so i dont gotta type sudo all the time
[06:57] <lamont> codyman: where are you getting mplayer from?
[06:57] <stuNNed> wasap: sudo passwd
[06:57] <lamont> (hint: multiverse)
[06:58] <sig> so how can I stop it and continue to be on the internet which I need for apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[06:58] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast:  so normal users get Access Denied errors when trying to cd to that mount?
[06:58] <lamont> sig: apt-get -udy install ...
[06:58] <sig> lamont: whats that do?
[06:58] <linux_galore> codyman: hmm could always just force the install of mplayer and create a link
[06:58] <codyman> lamont: universe i believe... it might be coming from marillat though
[06:58] <lamont> then stop it, do the install of the packages you already downloaded, and start it back up
[06:58] <spanglesontoast> no just I cannot move files on there
[06:58] <spanglesontoast> dw now
[06:58] <lamont> codyman: with those build deps, it's not from multiverse
[06:59] <wasap> thanx stuNNed
[06:59] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast:  did you use -o rw
[06:59] <codyman> lamont: then it must be coming from a ucla marillat server
[06:59] <spanglesontoast> yes
[06:59] <whiprush> jdub: Mr. DUB!
[06:59] <lamont> codyman: having non-ubuntu deb lines in sources.list is a good way to have these sorts of issues...
[07:00] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: ok.. so when you try to move files there, it gives you access denied?
[07:00] <spanglesontoast> ya
[07:00] <Dreamer3> crimsun: do you know anyone else who's put vesafb there and it's prevented it from loading?
[07:00] <lamont> sig: you can tell apt to just download things, rather than installing them
[07:00] <linux_galore> yeah be carefull with the marillat stuff they often use "unstable" stuff with there packages
[07:00] <crimsun> Dreamer3: me.
[07:00] <sig> lamont: I did a apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:00] <lamont> having downloaded them,installing them doesn't require the net
[07:00] <Dreamer3> crimsun: oh
[07:00] <lamont> then apt-get -ud dist-upgrade
[07:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: hmmmm
[07:01] <Jimbob> wasap: Or "sudo -s"
[07:01] <lamont> sig: or apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[07:01] <Jimbob> wasap: "man sudo"
[07:01] <Jimbob> :-)
[07:01] <NeoEcoS> bye
[07:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: hmmmmmm
[07:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: the lines don't have to be in any order, right?
[07:02] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: do an ls -l in your /mnt directory. What are the permissions for the partition you are mounting?
[07:02] <crimsun> Dreamer3: not that I'm aware of. I just used vesafb.
[07:02] <spanglesontoast> root
[07:03] <dcraven_> Cool. I just subversionized my $HOME directory.
[07:03] <_mike> Hi everyone.  Just wondering if someone may know why NIS logins wouldn't work on ubuntu?
[07:03] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: i mean owner/group/world.. the r's w's and x's
[07:03] <katya> dcraven: that's nuts
[07:03] <dcraven_> katya, nuts as in bad?
[07:03] <spanglesontoast> drwxr-xr-x
[07:03] <codyman> lamont: well is there any ubuntu servers that have mplayer
[07:04] <katya> well yeah
[07:04] <katya> even commit will grow your repository
[07:04] <lamont> codyman: if you add multiverse, yes.
[07:04] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: try typing: sudo chmod 777 /mnt/extra
[07:04] <dcraven_> katya, oh not every file, just selected ones like my .vim/ directory and .vimrc, .bashrc, etc etc.
[07:04] <Doomgaze> then try moving the files
[07:04] <Antioch> whats the root password on a default hoary install?
[07:04] <lamont> codyman: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[07:04] <jerrymcfarts> hey guys
[07:04] <lamont> Antioch: disabled
[07:04] <katya> so a 1GB home directory with ~20M of changes per day, that's 600M a month, or over 7GB/year
[07:04] <jerrymcfarts> does anyone know how to use msgsnarf? It works fine but there is no output.
[07:05] <spanglesontoast> ty
[07:05] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: did it work?
[07:05] <lamont> Antioch: sudo -s for a root shell, or apps, system tools, root terminal
[07:05] <katya> for a 1GB directory, you've stored it at 700% it's actual size
[07:05] <scott> anyone know the url of the ubuntu page where you can search packages for a certain file?
[07:05] <Pizbit> katya: That's manageble, you could always purge old stuff anyway?:)
[07:05] <dcraven_> katya, not the whole directory.
[07:05] <spanglesontoast> ya
[07:05] <Antioch> lamont I cant su in a terminal?
[07:05] <lamont> scott: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:05] <crimsun> scott: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:05] <Okt> to update to hoary do I want to mark upgrade "Smart" or "default"
[07:05] <lamont> Antioch: in a terminal, sudo -s
[07:05] <dcraven_> katya, if I were going to do the whole directory I'd use rsych or some such.
[07:05] <Doomgaze> spanglesontoast: awesome.. ok.. time to play some stepmania.. have fun! later
[07:05] <lamont> Antioch: man sudo
[07:06] <Antioch> ok
[07:06] <spanglesontoast> laters mate ty for help
[07:06] <katya> dcraven: still, it stores all the changes which occur in a file...
[07:06] <Xeon3D> how do I change the windowmanager? I've installed enlightenment, but it doesn't show up on GDM
[07:06] <Xeon3D> ?
[07:06] <libben> if i install gdesklets data.... will it install xmms also?
[07:06] <katya> Xeon3D: probably using .xsession
[07:06] <libben> I want to remove that dep from the deps list
[07:06] <libben> how?
[07:06] <sig> ** (process:16051): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[07:06] <sig> this blows
[07:06] <dcraven_> katya, I just want to synchronize changes in my config files between 4 machines.
[07:06] <Xeon3D> katya, under ~?
[07:06] <katya> Xeon3D: yep
[07:06] <dcraven_> katya, no worse than a small software project.
[07:06] <scott> Xeon3D: maybe put exec /usr/local/bin/enlightenment in ~/.xsession and choose default
[07:07] <katya> dcraven: you don't have to report to me :P
[07:07] <sig> wtf
[07:07] <Xeon3D> can't I add it to GDM's menu?
[07:07] <sig> kept back: ubuntu-base
[07:07] <sig> this is crap
[07:07] <dcraven_> katya, yeah, but I want to know if it's bad.
[07:07] <scott> Xeon3D: have you run it yet?
[07:07] <speel> so does hoary actually boot a little faster?
[07:07] <dcraven_> katya, acutally, no I don't.
[07:08] <sig> brb
[07:08] <Xeon3D> scott, ran what? E?
[07:08] <dcraven_> katya, I want to hear that it's good ;P
[07:08] <Xeon3D> no
[07:08] <sig> hoary doesn't have synaptec ?
[07:08] <libben> yes it has
[07:08] <scott> Xeon3D: well wait till you do, you might not want to add it to the menu
[07:08] <jdubFest> speel: yeah
[07:08] <libben> synaptic its called
[07:08] <Xeon3D> scott, I've played with it in the past...
[07:08] <sig> libben: mine doesn't
[07:08] <Xeon3D> long time ago.
[07:08] <sig> dist-upgrade broke the hell out of this install
[07:09] <libben> sig System/Administration ?
[07:09] <scott> Xeon3D: well get it runing once first, then figure out how to add its own entry
[07:09] <sig> libben: its not there
[07:09] <geneo93>  sig type sudo synaptic in terminal
[07:09] <sig> geneo93: its not there
[07:09] <sig> period
[07:09] <whiprush> jdubFest: dude our release party party was rocking.
[07:09] <dcraven_> sig, apt-get install synaptic?
[07:10] <sig> dcraven: why would it have been removed?
[07:10] <libben> yes
[07:10] <libben> =)
[07:10] <Dreamer3> so, where is the hoary release parties???????
[07:10] <sig> why would dist-upgrade remove packages?
[07:10] <sig> it shouldn't have
[07:10] <jdubFest> whiprush: sweet
[07:10] <dcraven_> sig, I dunno what you did, but if you want to install it, that's how.
[07:10] <whiprush> jdubFest: http://www.whiprush.org/2005/04/ooh_oooh_ubuntu.html
[07:10] <jdubFest> whiprush: i'm at an installfest today, watching hoary being used by Real People ;)
[07:10] <sig> dcraven: I did a dist-upgrade
[07:11] <sig> and it is all hell now
[07:11] <whiprush> dude I spent all day at work upgrading people I didn't even know were tracking the release day (prior blog entry).
[07:11] <sig> and when I do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade it keeps tons of packages back
[07:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: did you have to put fbcon or anything else in your blacklist for it to work?
[07:11] <jdubFest> whiprush: i loved your photos of that
[07:11] <crimsun> Dreamer3: no
[07:11] <whiprush> we started a release party rule too ... he who contributes most, DRINKS SHOTS.
[07:11] <jdubFest> whiprush: ha ha -> dholbach love from thousands of kilometres away :)
[07:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ok
[07:11] <whiprush> ubuntu installfest next weekend, we should have a good turnout
[07:12] <jdubFest> whiprush: do you want to run one at UDU?
[07:12] <Dreamer3> sometimes i wish i didn't have a day job
[07:12] <libben> one  thing that bugs me... everytime u install a program, there will be sometimes a shortcut for it in menu,... but then it will be no icon
[07:12] <libben> grrr
[07:12] <jdubFest> whiprush: have some interest from the local lug here
[07:12] <dcraven_> sig, did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade since your update && upgrade?
[07:12] <whiprush> jdubFest: I'm there to do what you need, so yeah put me to work.
[07:12] <jdubFest> heh
[07:12] <jdubFest> ;-)
[07:12] <sig> dcraven: long ago
[07:12] <fallstorm> I wish we had a LUG here to do cool things like release parties
[07:12] <dcraven_> sig, if packages are held back from an upgrade, try a dist-upgrade now.
[07:12] <jerrymcfarts> anyone use dsniff? at all?
[07:12] <sig> dcraven: I DID
[07:12] <jdubFest> fallstorm: stop wishing and start one today :)
[07:12] <_mike> Can someone help me out with getting NIS working in ubuntu?  I couldn't get it working with warty, and I still can't get it with hoary.  Haven't had an issue with Debian, Redhat, etc.
[07:12] <jdubFest> fallstorm: you could start an ubuntu LoCo team
[07:13] <dcraven_> sig, so when you do one now, nothing happens?
[07:13] <deFrysk> sig remove the non-ubuntu repo' s
[07:13] <fallstorm> I was thinking about it, really I am... not sure how much success I'd have
[07:13] <sig> deFrysk: there are none
[07:13] <audix> My audio is all crackly, what's going on?  Anybody know about this problem?
[07:13] <whiprush> _mike: as a server or as a client?
[07:13] <fallstorm> Tiny little town tied together by the university
[07:13] <_mike> whiprush: as a client
[07:13] <Kilter> rdw200169, so, I rebooted and it just 'works' connecting to my neighbours connection
[07:13] <sig> it simply broke
[07:13] <lamont> sig: were you mixing ubuntu and non-ubuntu repositories?
[07:13] <Kilter> I'm sure that's not right though
[07:13] <fallstorm> But I guess I won't know until I try
[07:13] <sig> absolutely not
[07:13] <deFrysk> sig, then double check your adjustments in your sources.list
[07:13] <_mike> whiprush: I can ypcat passwd, I can su  to a user, but I can't login
[07:13] <sig> I'm a stable freak
[07:13] <whiprush> _mike: I do that at work but I'm severely anebriated at the moment. mail me though and I can help you out.
[07:14] <audix> My sound worked perfectly a day ago, and it went mute, I upped the PSD volume, and now it's crackly, anybody have any ideas?
[07:14] <_mike> whiprush:  OK, thanks :)
[07:14] <dcraven_> sig, can you post the output of dist-upgrade at www.pastebin.com?
[07:14] <Dreamer3> crimsun: is software raid0 really any good?
[07:14] <whiprush> _mike: jorge@whiprush.org.
[07:14] <sig> dcraven: not now I will mess with it tomorrow, I need sleep now
[07:14] <sig> I'll figure it out later
[07:14] <dcraven_> sig, okay, g'nite.
[07:14] <whiprush> _mike: give me a good 24 hours to pass out and nearly die. :)
[07:14] <whiprush> then I can help with NIS.
[07:14] <Dreamer3> any way i can disable cpu frequency from even trying to load on my desktop?
[07:15] <geneo93> lamont:  i have mixed repositories and had no trouble upgrading
[07:15] <_mike> whiprush: No problem.  i should sleep soon anyway
[07:15] <whiprush> hmmm, on second thought, maybe I should start drinking before we talk NIS, to put my mind in the mood.
[07:15] <cikilin> does anybody knows where is dc++ program?
[07:15] <dcraven_> cikilin, what is dc++?
[07:15] <lamont> geneo93: it's not that mixing is guaranteed to break you, it's just that one shouldn't be surprised if it does
[07:16] <Xeon3D> erm it didn't work
[07:16] <chadd> anyone here have any positive experience with the 'badram' kernel patch?
[07:16] <Xeon3D> So anyone knows how do I add a different vm do GDM's menu?
[07:16] <Dreamer3> chadd: what's that for?
[07:16] <GhostFreeman> There's valknut, cikilin: http://dcgui.berlios.de/index.php
[07:16] <geneo93> hh well i was just saying that wasn't his problem
[07:16] <dcraven_> geneo93, it depends on the repo.. If you have a repo that just has Java or something then it probably wouldn't matter as much. But if you start adding several unofficial repos that hold the same packages you may get greif.
[07:16] <GhostFreeman> you may be able to get it from apt-get/Synaptic
[07:16] <lamont> geneo93: unless you know that you have exactly the same sources as he does, you can't know that
[07:17] <cikilin> what comand do i need to intall dc++
[07:17] <GhostFreeman> give me a second
[07:17] <lamont> Dreamer3: there will be no more changes to hoary...
[07:17] <lamont> hoary-security and hoary-updates will see traffic
[07:17] <lamont> and breezy will see _lots_ of traffic
[07:17] <cikilin> help me
[07:17] <lamont> but hoary is, well, done.
[07:17] <scott> anyone know a good program to convert .ico (windows icons) to .png for linux? convert from imagemagick does a horrible job
[07:18] <lamont> cikilin: dc++?
[07:18] <dcraven_> It sounded to me like another dist-upgrade would have fixed it.
[07:18] <Dreamer3> lamont: hoary-updates, is that in my apt-sources by default, doesn't look familiar
[07:18] <libben> is there any other desklet clients out there? gdesklet sucked so much... I only got error messages even when i installed the gdesklets-data package that had it all
[07:18] <lamont> dcraven: wouldn't suprise me if it would
[07:18] <libben> useless
[07:18] <GhostFreeman> cikilin: sudo apt-get install dcgui-qt
[07:18] <libben> anything that is better?
[07:18] <lamont> Dreamer3: hoary-updates is in the default sources.list
[07:18] <geneo93> scott:  try gimp
[07:18] <Dreamer3> lamont: ah, ok
[07:18] <dcraven_> lamont, well he was saying that some packages were "held back". Sounds like a job for dist-upgrade.
[07:18] <scott> geneo93: is there a way to batch convert files w/ gimp from the command line?
[07:19] <lamont> Dreamer3: there was a warty-updates, but it never got used, and wasn't default;.
[07:19] <lamont> dcraven: certainly
[07:19] <geneo93> scott:  i dont know of any
[07:19] <robitaille> lamont:  are you sure?  I vaguely remember an update for evolution in warty-updates
[07:19] <dcraven_> Dreamer3, it is probably commented thogh.
[07:19] <Dreamer3> lamont: ah i see
[07:19] <Dreamer3> lamont: a way to get in stuff after the release? :)
[07:19] <dcraven_> brb
[07:19] <cikilin> what comand do i need to intall dc++
[07:20] <GhostFreeman> cikilin: sudo apt-get install dcgui-qt
[07:20] <lamont> robitaille: it exists, but wasn't in sources.list by default
[07:20] <lamont> cikilin: what package is dc++ in?
[07:20] <Dreamer3> Dr_Acemaster: i don't see any updates line
[07:20] <cikilin> hello
[07:20] <Dreamer3> lamont: no hoary-updates lines here
[07:20] <lamont> Dreamer3: hrmpf
[07:20] <Dreamer3> lamont: i do have hoary-security, which i just uncommented
[07:20] <sig> is there not an gmail-notify for hoary now?
[07:21] <deFrysk> cikilin, dpkg -S dc++
[07:21] <robitaille> sig,   mail-notification package in Hoary's universe
[07:21] <sig> robitaille: mail-notification  == gmail-notify ?
[07:22] <deFrysk> man dpkg
[07:22] <lamont> robitaille: cdrtools and evolution had warty-updates
[07:22] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Heh, hey:)
[07:22] <deFrysk> sorry wrong box hehe
[07:22] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: hey
[07:22] <robitaille> sig,  mail-notification contains the option to monitor your gmail account...or atl east it used to a few weeks ago
[07:23] <sig> robitaille: I liked gmail-notify
[07:23] <sig> hmm
[07:23] <sig> I'll try this
[07:24] <libben> is there any other desklet clients out there? gdesklet sucked so much... I only got error messages even when i installed the gdesklets-data package that had it all
[07:24] <libben> anything that is better?
[07:24] <codyman> i am trying to install mplayer's win32 codecs.. whats the default directory for an apt-get install of mplayer corresponding to the win32 codecs directory?
[07:24] <GhostFreeman> where is this gmail-notify
[07:24] <GhostFreeman> codyman: apt-get knows where to put the codecs.
[07:24] <dcraven_> sig, yeah mail-notification does gmail.
[07:25] <robitaille> GhostFreeman,   http://gmail-notify.sourceforge.net/
[07:25] <GhostFreeman> kthx
[07:25] <GhostFreeman> it would be so nice if it were added to apt-get ;-)
[07:26] <robitaille> GhostFreeman,  http://gmail-notify.sourceforge.net/download.php  has a debian package that may work in Ubuntu
[07:26] <dcraven_> mail-notification can do all of your mailboxes... And it doesn't appear in the notification area unless there is new mail. It's quite nice.
[07:27] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:27] <dcraven_> I think ssl is disabled in the mail-notification deb though so if you need that, it might be a bad choice unless you compile your own.
[07:28] <dcraven_> Licensing issues.
[07:28] <dcraven_> Silly ones at that.
[07:29] <dougsk> woot dist-upgrade goodness!
[07:29] <libben> I cant see the mail-notification
[07:29] <libben> configured it and started it
[07:29] <libben> so why aint im seeing it
[07:29] <javier_> hola
[07:29] <Okt> how can I mount /dev/sda1 (which is NTFS) so I can copy over a file?
[07:29] <dcraven_> libben, you will only see it if you have new mail.
[07:30] <wowzer> hello
[07:30] <dcraven_> libben, System->preferences->Mail notification
[07:30] <wowzer> i am a new ubuntu user
[07:30] <javier_> hice un pedido de ububtu, quisiera saber en cuanto tiempo suele llegar
[07:30] <dougsk> howdy wowzer  me too sorta
[07:30] <GhostFreeman> Okt: not sure if you can copy over from NTFS
[07:30] <wowzer> my question is, how good is ubuntu for server-wise use??
[07:31] <wowzer> hey dougsk
[07:31] <dcraven_> wowzer, open ended question no? :)
[07:31] <katya> i got my domain :D
[07:31] <wowzer> i have it installed on my PCs and some workstations
[07:31] <dougsk> wowser, I've put together a mimic server of some of my hosts just so I have something similar, it works alright for that
[07:31] <wowzer> hahaha yep
[07:32] <chiddy> javier_, quiere saber cuanto tiempo toma para descargar de la Internet (espanol no es mi primera lengua :)
[07:32] <dcraven_> wowzer, I have one running apache, IMAP, subversion etc... But not in an "enterprise" setting.
[07:32] <javier_>    :)
[07:32] <dcraven_> wowzer, I don't think I've been hacked yet it that's what you're asking.. hehe
[07:32] <sig> is this mail-notification supposed to start?
[07:32] <wowzer> well my idea is not at that level but a simple home-made server
[07:32] <wowzer> to rn some tests
[07:32] <javier_> chidy: no problem, talk to me in english
[07:32] <dcraven_> sig, probably.
[07:33] <sig> I set it up and it says its running but I don't see it in a panel
[07:33] <sig> and I know I have mail
[07:33] <sig> hmm
[07:33] <chiddy> javier_, do you want to know how long it takes to download?
[07:33] <kkathman> hey peeps :)
[07:33] <javier_> i write so bad, but i undertand
[07:33] <dcraven_> sig, did you configure it to check your mailboxes?
[07:33] <sig> yup
[07:33] <sig> to check gmail
[07:33] <dougsk> wowzer: I think it more than amply satisfies that-- unless it's plone/zope which has broken packages in warty -- but I'm leaving warty as we speak so anyhoopt
[07:33] <javier_> no, how long it takes to arrive
[07:33] <flodine> damn ubuntu is going on
[07:33] <dcraven_> sig, System-->Preferences-->Mail Notification to configure if you need to.
[07:33] <javier_> a fill out a form
[07:34] <sig> dcraven: already done that
[07:34] <wowzer> ok, thats good info
[07:34] <libben> sig u have to get a new mail for it to pop up
[07:34] <chiddy> oh the CDs? i'm not too sure, they probably started sent them to be burned today... so it could take awhile maybe two or 1-2 possible more weeks
[07:34] <siimo> sup mr ubuntu
[07:34] <libben> and u need to click on the last tab and set it to show itself when a new mail comes
[07:34] <wowzer> one more question, how those it run on a poor HW machine?
[07:35] <siimo> wowzer, ? does it need X
[07:35] <dougsk> wowzer: w/o X fine
[07:35] <wowzer> like a P1 133, 64MB RAM
[07:35] <GhostFreeman> Hey has anyone encountered a problem while installing gmail-notify
[07:35] <jirwin> hello
[07:35] <jirwin> any ideas on why the MPlayer package is broken?
[07:35] <chiddy> javier, you wouldn't happen to be a professor at a university would you... i have a teacher this semester with the same name and it would be weird it is was you :)
[07:35] <wowzer> but i kindof need the X
[07:36] <ubuntu> hi, i'm here for the first time.  how to get help?
[07:36] <dougsk> wowzer: don't think so if X is a prereq then
[07:36] <dcraven_> jirwin, can you define "broken"?
[07:36] <wowzer> what would be the minimum?
[07:36] <wowzer> for running X
[07:36] <siimo> wowzer, then use a light weight WM like windowmaker or iceWM or even XFCE4
[07:36] <javier_> where can i see the proggrams of ubuntu ?
[07:36] <siimo> wowzer, i would say 64MB ram on any CPU over 486
[07:36] <javier_> word processor ....
[07:36] <javier_> etc
[07:37] <Dreamer3> siimo: for what?
[07:37] <jirwin> dcraven, it tells me when I do apt-get that there are broken packages
[07:37] <wowzer> my specs are a P 133Mhz and 64 MB
[07:37] <Pizbit> javier_: Mind if I'm overly sarcastic in my reply?
[07:37] <wowzer> would that be enough?
[07:37] <jirwin> dcraven, i am just doing the guide @ubuntu guide
[07:37] <siimo> just to get X to run SOMEHOW
[07:37] <siimo> but it wont be usable
[07:37] <wowzer> ohhh ok
[07:38] <dcraven_> jirwin, filter for broken packages in synaptic, an uninstall the ones that show up.
[07:38] <jirwin> ok
[07:38] <javier_> uhh ?
[07:38] <GhostFreeman> Anyone here know how to install gmail-notify
[07:38] <siimo> wowzer, hate to say it but stick to windows 95 or commandline linux on that machine
[07:38] <chiddy> javier_, see this http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[07:38] <wowzer> but on a P3 550 and 320MB system their should be no problem
[07:38] <jirwin> dcraven, it doesn't show any
[07:38] <javier_> ok, thanks chiddy
[07:38] <siimo> wowzer, right no problem with that
[07:38] <javier_>   :)
[07:38] <dcraven_> jirwin, well that is a puzzle.
[07:39] <GhostFreeman> My advice: get more megahertz
[07:39] <chiddy> javier_, its word processor is openoffice 1.1.4 but you can update to version 2 beta
[07:39] <dougsk> wowzer: I can testify that that will run X okay -- dpends mostly on graphics card at that point
[07:39] <dcraven_> jirwin, do you have non-ubuntu sources in your sources.list?
[07:39] <wowzer> a PCI ATI Rage 32MB vid card on that system, that should be no prob, i have run linux on that
[07:39] <jirwin> it says: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[07:40] <Burgundavia> where is that image paste bin?
[07:40] <siimo> wowzer, he is talking about your old machine i think
[07:40] <jirwin> dcraven_, yes
[07:40] <dougsk> wowzer: great choice -- your in business!
[07:40] <GhostFreeman> am i gonna hafta choke a bitch in order to get help with gmail-notify
[07:40] <wowzer> i think so to
[07:40] <jirwin> dcraven_, just what the guide told me to do though
[07:40] <siimo> wowzer, if you really want X on that then you should get debian woody or older
[07:40] <jirwin> dcraven_, except the backports
[07:40] <Dreamer3> jirwin: ubuntu doesn't have the version you need
[07:40] <dcraven_> jirwin, comment them out. Mplayer is in the Ubuntu universe/multiverse repos.
[07:41] <prabath> Hey
[07:41] <SuperLag> I don't think you're going to find win32codecs though
[07:41] <dr_willis> Well idddly dang - i just wiped out my 30gb of Data/backup/crud. :(
[07:41] <wowzer> well, i really want ubuntu becuase it is so user-friendly and the office suite is a must
[07:41] <dr_willis> dont ya hate that.
[07:41] <dcraven_> jirwin, try the one in universe/multiverse and its dependancies will be met.
[07:41] <SuperLag> dr_willis: how did you manage that?
[07:41] <prabath> :(
[07:41] <chiddy> btw javier_, there are a lot more packages available over the internet using apt after you install (just in case you didn't know :) ) ... you can see those here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[07:41] <scott> how do I change firefox's icon? I've changed the launcher icon, but that doesn't do it.
[07:41] <prabath> :)
[07:42] <Dreamer3> wowzer: www.openoffice.org if the office suite is your big drawl :)
[07:42] <Dreamer3> -l
[07:42] <scott> I mean, the one that's showed in the task bar
[07:42] <prabath> :():
[07:42] <etzerd> Hello room
[07:42] <wowzer> :)
[07:42] <dr_willis> SuperLag,  i forgot what drive i was installing to . and i'd frogotten i had made a small 30gb fat32 partion on it for 'transfering' stuff.. and when ubuntu asked 'use the whole drive' it dident mean 'use all the EXISTING linux partions' -  Lol
[07:42] <dr_willis> all my porn.. gone. :P
[07:42] <etzerd> nobody sleep in this room?
[07:42] <siimo> wowzer, Dreamer3, not possible on 133mhz 64mb  get a new system 2nd hand will be sub $100
[07:42] <dr_willis> what really sucks is the driver archive for my xp machines is gone.. lol
[07:42] <ubuntu> ok.  I had installed ubuntu on an iMac DV/SE.  The computer' screen has given up on me.  Then I installed the HD from the iMac on an old BlueandWhite G3 and started up.  I am getting a window with lots of similar data scolling by quickly.  What can I do to start up from this drive?
[07:43] <lamont> wowzer: I expect it'll run there, but don't complain that you weren't warned taht it'd be slow
[07:43] <dr_willis> been backing stuff up all week to DVD.. so no big loss I think.
[07:43] <lamont> wowzer: even 128MB can be painful with gnome installed
[07:43] <jirwin> thanks...
[07:43] <wowzer> i am talking about running it on a P3 550 and 320MB RAM system
[07:43] <dr_willis> Hmm. anyone tried the Dual-Layer Dvd's yet with linux and cdrecord of k3b?
[07:43] <etzerd> guy which deskto is better gnome or KDE?
[07:43] <dougsk> dr_willis: no, but I do have a liteon capable of that
[07:43] <javier_> chiddy, thank you very much
[07:43] <javier_> i gotta go
[07:44] <javier_> bye
[07:44] <chiddy> bye :)
[07:44] <Burgundavia> can I get some feedback on a brochure I am working on?
[07:44] <etzerd> I mean which desktop is better gnome or KDE?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> http://img106.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img106&image=ubuntubrochure4uz.png
[07:44] <lamont> etzerd: whichever one works better for you, of course.
[07:44] <dr_willis> dougsk,  yea - looked at them today. the cost of the medis is still too high.
[07:44] <scott> etzerd: depends on your tastes,  but I think kde looks dorky and gnome looks professional
[07:44] <dr_willis> etzerd,  define 'better'
[07:44] <SuperLag> dr_willis: no sir, and dual-layer DVDs aren't easy to come by, in the local retail stores
[07:44] <lamont> etzerd: no desktop flamewar/debates, please
[07:44] <GhostFreeman> etzerd: I'm not even going to warrant an answer
[07:44] <dcraven_> etzerd, well GNOME obviously.
[07:44] <wowzer> i get the idea that the old 133Mhz system is best used for what it is doing now, running a Debian for ftp purpose
[07:44] <chiddy> etzerd, its all personal opinion just depends what oyu like... i think KDE is bloated garbage, but others seem to like it :)
[07:45] <dr_willis> kde and gnome are both getting better by the month.. its amazeing how much progress both have made in the last year.
[07:45] <dougsk> wowzer: sounds good to me
[07:45] <wowzer> but thanks anyway for the warning...:P
[07:45] <Dreamer3> crimsun: anyway to find out at what part of the boot vesafb is even loaded, or why?
[07:45] <fallstorm> It's up to what you prefer, but I have had more problems with KDE than Gnome
[07:45] <fallstorm> Granted, that observation is a little dated.
[07:45] <blizah> firestarter not apart of hoary?
[07:45] <GhostFreeman> why not do what everyone else does? use both
[07:45] <dr_willis> yep.. gnome and kde tend to play nicely when useing the others apps for most cases.
[07:45] <etzerd> Thanks for  your opinion guys
[07:45] <toresbe> I *love* GNOME
[07:46] <wasap> how come mplayer-386 wont install
[07:46] <wowzer> thank you for your time
[07:46] <dcraven_> blizah, uni/multiverse.
[07:46] <wowzer> :)
[07:46] <GhostFreeman> Guys, I can't dpkg gmail-notify
[07:46] <wasap> mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed   Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[07:46] <pablo928> wowzer: i have 1 with warty, a P-2 300 Mhz w/ 232  MB Ram.... works ok
[07:46] <Dreamer3> sheesh, kate has 16 dependencies
[07:46] <geneo93> wasap:  maybe you dont have a 386
[07:46] <wowzer> what are your specs?
[07:46] <etzerd> One more question before I go. I install all the multimedia packages but still my Mplayer still not working
[07:47] <wasap> p3   800mhz
[07:47] <robitaille> GhostFreeman,  do you get an error?
[07:47] <GhostFreeman> yeah, let me post to pastebin
[07:47] <GhostFreeman> http://www.pastebin.com/269202
[07:47] <dr_willis> Has gnome ever added a setting to disable that LAME 'minimization to the tasktray' animation?
[07:47] <dr_willis> I find it just annoying. :P
[07:47] <wowzer> pablo928: even with X?
[07:47] <geneo93> wasap:  try thr 586 version then
[07:48] <dougsk> dr_willis: I think there is a key about low resources in gconf that will fix that for ya
[07:48] <wowzer> dougsk: what are your specs?
[07:48] <dcraven_> dr_willis, gconf-editor: /apps/metacity/preferences/reduced_resources.. Set it to true.
[07:48] <libben> i just wanna know how i can change my icons in the Menu when they are missing
[07:48] <wasap> same error
[07:48] <etzerd> I have a little problem with gnome the fact that it com with two tools bar one on top and one on the bottom. Is there's a way to convert gnome into one tools bar?
[07:48] <ern1e> im getting a no rule to make target error with make and it cant find the file lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/.config:, any ideas?
[07:48] <dougsk> wowzer: I'm running on this box that I type a k7-2600 w/512 and a 128 MB fx-5200
[07:48] <dcraven_> dr_willis, that causes several things like wireframe window moves and no animation etc.
[07:48] <robitaille> GhostFreeman,  it needs python 2.3 from universe.
[07:49] <blizah> dcraven_, how do i enable the multiverse to show up agian?
[07:49] <dougsk> wowzer: howsever I'm typing from an 80 column irssi window
[07:49] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:49] <dcraven> blizah, http://tinyurl.com/3qv6t
[07:49] <dr_willis> dougsk,  ick.. they couldentjust make a simple CLICK here to disale it eh. :P  got to basiially run the gnome equilivent of regedit?
[07:49] <Kamping_kaiser> whats a good video capture program?
[07:49] <wowzer> wow
[07:49] <dougsk> dr_willis: yep (my sympathies exactly)
[07:49] <dcraven_> etzerd, right click on the panel and delete it.
[07:49] <wasap> i have mplayer cause i can run it command line, but i dont have a gui
[07:49] <geneo93> wasap:  then you dont have all the repositories enabled then
[07:49] <SuperLag> blizah: the easiest way would be to edit /etc/apt/sources.list (in my opinion)
[07:49] <dr_willis> dougsk,  now ya know what i dislike about gnome and the gnome-mindset. :P
[07:50] <dr_willis> the fonts are looking VERY nice under gnome however i must say
[07:50] <dougsk> dr_willis: actually I'm a e16 guy but I've lived in gnome since october and after awhile it aint so bad
[07:50] <dcraven_> dr_willis, it's not regedit.
[07:50] <GhostFreeman> robitaile: synaptic says that I have Python 2.3
[07:50] <wowzer> dougsk: do you use a dual boot?
[07:50] <dr_willis> dcraven,  its the same 'mentality' however.. some  'super-special' settings file. :P
[07:50] <ubuntu> i am not sure how this irc works.  Did anybody read me question?
[07:50] <dougsk> yeah -- I've got solaris x86 and win2k3 and netbsd on here as well as ubuntu
[07:50] <etzerd> I understand if I right click on the panel it will delete. Now what happened when you open an application and minimize it you won't see the application anymore since the bar is no longer there
[07:50] <robitaille> GhostFreeman,  then I don't know.  THat's the problem with non-ubuntu packages....it doesn't always work.
[07:51] <GhostFreeman> should I use the tarball then?
[07:51] <dcraven_> wasap, any chance that the mplayer you have installed is "mplayer-nogui"?
[07:51] <wowzer> cool
[07:51] <wowzer> well have to go
[07:51] <GhostFreeman> I was using the debian package...
[07:51] <wowzer> thanks for your time and help
[07:51] <wowzer> :)
[07:51] <dougsk> wowzer: no it just shows I've no dedication :)
[07:51] <wasap> i dont remember installing any mplayer. but when i type mplayer (filename) a vid window opens
[07:51] <wowzer> see you around
[07:51] <dougsk> wowzer: later
[07:51] <wasap> so i probably do have the non-gui
[07:52] <seven_six_two> etzerd, you would have to add the appropriate item to your panel that you have left
[07:52] <wasap> i been a gentoo user for a long time so i dont use the package manager. i like just terminal. is there a way to see what is installed
[07:52] <dougsk> gnme won't let you get rid of the last panel so it's possible to recover
[07:52] <geneo93> look in synaptic and see wasap
[07:52] <dougsk> s/gnme/gnome
[07:52] <libben> or dpkg -l | grep name
[07:52] <dcraven_> etzerd, the panel simply holds applets. The applet that shows open windows like in MS Windows is called "Window List". You can add one to any panel by right clicking and choosing "Add to Panel".
[07:53] <eSPete> i have just finish apt-get dist-upgate and now my normal res @ 1280*1024 is gone. how do i get i back?
[07:53] <dcraven_> damn.. Ask a question, then bolt.
[07:53] <wasap> ii  mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux  ii  mplayer-fonts  3.5-2          Fonts for mplayer
[07:53] <seven_six_two> your clock as well, and your foot
[07:53] <wasap> thats what i get when i dpkg
[07:53] <dougsk> dcraven_: heh heh
[07:53] <wasap> so i got the custom one installed
[07:54] <flodine> anyone running gmpc
[07:55] <ubuntu> :-(
[07:55] <blizah> i just installed a fresh hoary and the color scheme in xchat is horrible for me..the white background etc... woundering if anyone who uses a black colorscheme could read me off their's that or is there a way to change it a little more easier?
[07:55] <libben> rc  totem-gstreame 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 A simple media player for the Gnome desktop
[07:55] <libben> hmm
[07:55] <libben> what does that mean... ?
[07:55] <dcraven_> wasap, try mplayer-586 or mplayer-386.
[07:55] <libben> rc
[07:55] <GhostFreeman> how do I reset mail-notification
[07:56] <GhostFreeman> I accidentally clicked out of the inital configuration and now I can't run it
[07:56] <wasap> dcraven. do i uninstall the custom then do 386?
[07:57] <dcraven_> wasap, if that is necessary, then apt will do it for you. If you uninstall it and the new package needs it, apt will reinstall it for you. So it's your choice :)
[07:57] <libben> GhostFreeman, open terminal and type kill name
[07:57] <libben> kill mail-notification
[07:58] <wasap> thanx dcraven, ill try it out
[07:58] <microo> bonjour
[07:58] <dcraven_> wasap, no sweat.
[07:58] <Kennyjb402> where could I find w32 codecs?
[07:58] <GhostFreeman> I think it's already killed
[07:58] <GhostFreeman> ok, killed
[07:58] <GhostFreeman> what next?
[07:58] <Kennyjb402> synaptic did'nt have it
[07:58] <wasap> Kenny i just did apt-get install w32codecs
[07:59] <wasap> and it installed
[07:59] <dcraven_> GhostFreeman, "ps aux | grep notification" will give output if it is not killed.
[07:59] <Kennyjb402> cool, I'll try it thnx
[07:59] <wasap> sudo apt-get install w32codecs    if you didnt set a root pass
[07:59] <dcraven_> GhostFreeman, then System-->Preferences-->Mail Notification to configure it.
[07:59] <GhostFreeman> I got output, do you want me to pastebin i
[07:59] <GhostFreeman> it*
[07:59] <dougsk> Kennyjb402: w32codecs look into nerim or the bookmark in mozilla about the unofficial guide
[08:00] <Kennyjb402> ok
[08:00] <dougsk> s/mozilla/firefox
[08:00] <GhostFreeman> I got it now, thanks
[08:00] <kh-rit> i have 1 gig of ram, how can i find out if ubuntu supports it?
[08:00] <dougsk> kh-rit: it does
[08:01] <dcraven_> Kennyjb402, you need to enable universe/multiverse repositories for those.. See here if you haven't done that --> http://tinyurl.com/3qrda
[08:01] <libben> wich port is gmail on?
[08:01] <kh-rit> dougsk: so it enable large memory support by itself?
[08:01] <kh-rit> by default?
[08:01] <Kennyjb402> ok
[08:01] <jorock> how can I enable ssh remote login in ubuntu?
[08:01] <dougsk> kh-rit: I think the barrier is at 4GB of which 1G kernel space and 3 gig userspace at least for x86
[08:02] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: would compiling the nvidia kernel portion from scrach have any chance of helping with my blank console, or not really?
[08:02] <dougsk> kh-rit: 1 gig doesn't entail need for large memory support
[08:02] <kh-rit> dougsk: how can I find out the amount of memory used?
[08:02] <dougsk> kh-rit: free
[08:03] <dcraven_> libben, if you are talking about gmail pop, then I'd assume 110.
[08:03] <geneo91> top
[08:03] <Dreamer3_> what a waste, gmail then pop from it :)
[08:03] <kh-rit> dougsk: thanks
[08:03] <toresbe> odd
[08:04] <toresbe> I have Multiverse in my apt source list
[08:04] <dcraven_> jorock, openssh-server
[08:04] <toresbe> but I can't install a package from it?
[08:04] <burnboy> hey, what does this mean: sudo: pam_authenticate: Module is unknown
[08:04] <jorock> do I have to do that everytime?
[08:04] <burnboy> using latest hoary
[08:04] <kh-rit> how to find out if 3d is enable?
[08:04] <toresbe> burnboy: you tried to use su with the wrong password?
[08:04] <burnboy> no this was when i did 'sudo apt-get blah blah'
[08:05] <dougsk> kh-rit: glxgears --if slow it's not enables
[08:05] <toresbe> kh-rit: glxinfo | grep dir
[08:05] <dcraven_> toresbe, is that line commented by chance? (starting with a #)
[08:05] <dougsk> s/enables/enabled
[08:05] <burnboy> but su - said something completely different
[08:05] <toresbe> dcraven_: heh, no
[08:05] <burnboy> in fact it said su is not supported
[08:05] <GhostFreeman> Ok
[08:05] <eSPete> how do i add higher resolution after dist-upgrate?
[08:05] <toresbe> Hit http://ftp.cs.umn.edu hoary/multiverse Packages
[08:05] <toresbe> from my apt-get
[08:05] <toresbe> ..update even
[08:05] <burnboy> 'su: Module is unknown' but i'm more worried about 'sudo' not working.
[08:05] <toresbe> burnboy: that's odd
[08:05] <dcraven_> jorock, no, that is the package to install, sorry.
[08:05] <GhostFreeman> I must have a magic way with programs because i'm not seeing mail-notification in my panel
[08:05] <jorock> yeah
[08:05] <dougsk> eSPete: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (although it might be xserver-xorg now ??)
[08:06] <jorock> dcraven_at: I installed it
[08:06] <kh-rit> dougsk: wowwwww, it is
[08:06] <jorock> but how do I start it?
[08:06] <libben> GhostFreeman, it only shows itself when u have new mail
[08:06] <libben> try to mail ur self
[08:06] <dougsk> kh-rit: right on
[08:06] <libben> to see if the notification pops
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> oh ok
[08:06] <Bicchi> why when i go to mnt, i do not see the windows partition there.
[08:06] <dougsk> eSPete: you might need to prepend that with sudo
[08:07] <dcraven_> jorock, do a "ps aux | grep sshd". It is probably already running. Does that command output two lines?
[08:07] <kh-rit> dougsk: thanks.... I just finished installing my system with amd64. it rocks!
[08:07] <dougsk> kh-rit: I'm envious
[08:07] <jorock> dcraven_at: yeah its running apparently
[08:07] <burnboy> the reason i ask is because i just updated to the latest hoary so i thought maybe it could be a common issue with sudo and pam auth
[08:07] <toresbe> kh-rit: it rocks indeed :)
[08:07] <dcraven_> jorock, "ssh localhost".
[08:08] <jorock> but I still can't login with my other computer
[08:08] <Dreamer3_> if i could just get my video working 100% now
[08:08] <dcraven_> jorock, does the other computer have openssh-client installed?
[08:08] <jorock> yup
[08:08] <kh-rit> I'm upgrading it
[08:08] <jorock> I use it all the time
[08:08] <majic> if I upgrade to the kernel 2.6.1 i686 package Gnome locks up hard after logging in requiring a reboot however Xfce works fine. Anyone seen this issue yet?
[08:08] <Kennyjb402> got it thank you.
[08:08] <dcraven_> jorock, check your router.. It's likely blocking it.
[08:08] <majic> 2.6.11 sorry
[08:09] <GhostFreeman> help me test out mail-notification y'all ghostfreeman@gmail.com
[08:09] <Dreamer3_> majic: is this supported?
[08:09] <jorock> dcraven_at: I never had this prob with fedora or suse though
[08:09] <toresbe> GhostFreeman: there's a google gmail notifier?
[08:09] <libben> majic, do u play games?
[08:09] <libben> like quake3?
[08:09] <GhostFreeman> yeah, sorta
[08:09] <Dreamer3_> is 2.6.11 supported, my apt didn't upgrade it automatically
[08:09] <majic> Dreamer3, it's in the universe repository. No I don't play games.
[08:09] <toresbe> GhostFreeman: ...for Linux?
[08:09] <libben> ok
[08:09] <GhostFreeman> sudo apt-get install mail-notification
[08:09] <kh-rit> dougsk:  i just finished upgrading it. the speed is a bit slow. how I choose the fatest mirror?
[08:10] <FreezerX> The design of ubuntulinux.org has been changed one minute ago )
[08:10] <dcraven_> jorock, hrmm.. Can you ping the machine remotely?
[08:10] <jorock> lemme try
[08:10] <MMond> Hello.. I've a few questions. Firstly, someone just plain answer this: _why_ can't I yet use php5?
[08:10] <Dreamer3_> majic: ah, in universe, is different than main :)
[08:10] <dougsk> kh-rit: there is a tool called apt-spy I'm not sure if it's in ubuntu that helps with that and I'm not very knowledgeable about it either
[08:11] <dcraven_> FreezerX, haha.. So it did.
[08:11] <jorock> nope
[08:11] <majic> Dreamer3, ok. Thats what I figured. It's probably not a supported kernel package.
[08:11] <toresbe> GhostFreeman: hey, thanks
[08:11] <GhostFreeman> np
[08:11] <jorock> but I'm using the internet on it as we speek
[08:11] <dcraven_> jorock, then the problem may not be with ssh :)
[08:11] <GhostFreeman> HA HA! jorock is using the internet
[08:11] <kh-rit> dougsk: thanks a lot. this is the first time that 3d is working for me
[08:11] <Okt> How can I get the trash back on the bar on the bottom?
[08:11] <Dreamer3_> majic: do you have the problem on 2.6.10?
[08:11] <dcraven_> I have to go to bed everyone.. See you tomorrow.
[08:11] <majic> Dreamer3, nope
[08:12] <dougsk> kh-rit: apt-spy is in ubuntu, you might give it a try and teach me about it
[08:12] <Dreamer3_> well, 30s, time to reboot to hoary release :)
[08:12] <Dreamer3_> majic: then stick with that
[08:12] <Kennyjb402> dcraven: thanks I got it now.
[08:12] <kh-rit> dougsk: haha, i'll try
[08:12] <Dreamer3_> everyone always interested in the latest and greatst :)
[08:12] <kh-rit> dougsk: i'm just a rookie
[08:12] <seven_six_two> Okt, right click on the bar and add to it
[08:12] <dougsk> kh-rit: me too, no worries
[08:13] <blizah> is there an easy way in hoary to get ubuntu to see my raided windows drives?
[08:13] <kh-rit> doughk: alrite, cool
[08:13] <Dreamer3_> i have some ocean front 2.6.13 kernel in arizona for anyone interested :)
[08:13] <|QuaD-> blizah: software or hardware raid?
[08:13] <blizah> erm its on the motherboard
[08:13] <blizah> has a promise controler on board i believe
[08:13] <Dreamer3_> blizah: i wouldn't think so, if it's windows raid
[08:13] <jorock> dcraven_at: I can't ping anything on my local net with the ubuntu box
[08:13] <|QuaD-> blizah: is it hardware or software?
[08:13] <Chaotic_Reality> anyone have ubuntu on a gateway m675x laptop?
[08:13] <blizah> i did it in warty but it wasnt the most pleasant way
[08:14] <Dreamer3_> blizah: then you just get ubuntu to see the controller
[08:14] <jorock> but the other computers can ping each other
[08:14] <toresbe> It seems that it's hardware
[08:14] <|QuaD-> jorock: whats your problem (too lazy to read up)
[08:14] <jorock> and the ubuntu box can ping external adresses
[08:14] <blizah> its a promise fasttrack raid controller
[08:15] <Dreamer3_> ok, upgradnig now
[08:15] <Dreamer3_> be back in a bit
[08:15] <Dreamer3_> toodles
[08:15] <blizah> how do i get ubuntu to see the controller?
[08:15] <libben> is there any other desklet clients out there? gdesklet sucked so much... I only got error messages even when i installed the gdesklets-data package that had it all
[08:15] <dr_willis> whats that linux game where you roll a ball around a maze?  wife has been playing a similer game  with a Hamster in a ball. and her trial period has expired
[08:15] <twisted_steel> dr_willis: neverball I think
[08:15] <dr_willis> sort of like marble maddness.
[08:15] <holycow> neverball
[08:15] <holycow> best game evar
[08:16] <libben> apt-get install neverball =)
[08:16] <GhostFreeman> there's a marble madness close?
[08:16] <dr_willis> I think thers one other then neverball.. this one had more of a  varity in the maps.
[08:16] <GhostFreeman> holt shit asfgdas
[08:16] <dr_willis> yea. neverball is similer.. but theres another.
[08:16] <holycow> btw, just so that you know, it comes with a game called neverputt
[08:16] <holycow> :)
[08:16] <dr_willis> Ive played neverputt more then ive played NeverBalll
[08:17] <GhostFreeman> marble madness was the shaznit, yo
[08:17] <yfir> nethack (or slashem), all you need for decades of gaming addiction
[08:17] <GhostFreeman> nethack is dead
[08:17] <GhostFreeman> long live nethack
[08:17] <blizah> |quad- is it possible?
[08:18] <kh-rit> dougsk: I can't install apt-spy
[08:18] <holycow> bz flag is incredibly addictive as well
[08:18] <libben> if i wanna shutdown the box lets say around 12:00 this day... shutdown -r 12:00 "i'll be back bitch"
[08:18] <|QuaD-> blizah: if iti s hardware it should be
[08:18] <holycow> i had to remove that from my machine, couldn't stop playing
[08:18] <libben> would that be correct?
[08:18] <washu> I love this world, good night.
[08:19] <holycow> nite
[08:19] <kh-rit> dougsk: E: Couldn't find package apt-spy
[08:19] <yfir> libben: sudo shutdown -hP 12:00
[08:19] <dougsk> kh-rit: <shrugs> hmm I'm stil on warty at the moment and I have universe/multiverse enabled
[08:19] <LiberalTugboat> hey hey hey
[08:19] <FreezerX> good night? It's 8:19 a.m. :-)
[08:19] <blizah> |quad- any idea how to go about doing it?
[08:20] <libben> yeah my bad =) need to really kill it =) missed the P =)
[08:20] <dr_willis> trying to find some free games for the wife to play on XP> thats not loaded with spyware and other crud.
[08:21] <dr_willis> I see Frozenbubble is out for XP also. :P yea.
[08:21] <dougsk> kh-rit: It's in universe.  I'd suggest before using something like apt-spy waiting it out abit I'd bet everyone is trying to move to hoary at moment casuing a wee bit of congestion
[08:21] <dr_willis> Here it is -->  http://freshmeat.net/projects/trackballs/
[08:21] <dougsk> s/casuing/causing
[08:21] <dr_willis> a MarbleMaddness type clone
[08:22] <blizah> when i do a "ls /dev/mapper" all that comes up is control...no drives
[08:22] <blizah> do i got to apt get anything for ubuntu to see raided hd's?
[08:22] <dougsk> kh-rit: I'm upgrading myself and I'm saturating my 1.5 Mbps line
[08:23] <e_machinist> Does Wine run any background tasks when the wine app itself isn't actually running?
[08:23] <LiberalTugboat> sweet, I have a nice fresh install of hoary now and it is all tweaked!!
[08:23] <dougsk> e_machinist: not afaik
[08:23] <LiberalTugboat> I even have embeded controls for mplayerplug-in
[08:24] <e_machinist> Ok, good. Cause that would suck.
[08:24] <e_machinist> haha.
[08:24] <e_machinist> I checked to see what wine processes were running using winetools. Only the three that run while Wine itself is running.
[08:24] <kh-rit> dougsk: ok, then. Thanks again. I'm gonna reboot my pc now
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> damn it, I just remebered... I need to install java :(
[08:25] <kakalto> how do I set up japanese input support?
[08:25] <kakalto> the same way as in hoary?
[08:25] <kakalto> *warty
[08:26] <fco> ayudaaaaaa...
[08:27] <LiberalTugboat> kakalto, Im guessing its pretty close... check the wiki though
[08:27] <kakalto> ahh
[08:27] <fco> por k no puedo instalar xmms en mi ubuntu?
[08:27] <kakalto> problem
[08:27] <kakalto> how do I set up uim for kde?
[08:27] <fco> gnome
[08:27] <kakalto> for gnome, you make a .gnomerc file
[08:27] <kakalto> but for kde?
[08:28] <fco> how install xmms?
[08:28] <dougsk> clear
[08:29] <pablo928> fco: sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:29] <Haffe> Hmmm. I can't get ubuntu to boot. It hangs when loading sata_sill, with pollirq I can get ubuntu to load sata_sil, but then it frezes when it loads USB. I suspect this is somekind of incompatibility since both my sata controller and my usb uses irq #11
[08:31] <blizah> so far this is the only way i know to detect an existing  raid http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2557
[08:32] <scott> anyone know how to change the firefox icon (the blue globe) that shows up in the tasklist?
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> scott right click on it
[08:33] <MMond> I'm misunderstanding something, and I'd be [grateful]  if anyone can help me understand something
[08:33] <jirwin> hello...stupid question here
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> properties
[08:33] <jirwin> how do I get to the menu editor?
[08:33] <MMond> People told me that I can't use php5 . . . can't remember the exact reason, but . . .
[08:33] <fallstorm> LiberalTugboat, that won't change the icon in the taskbar
[08:33] <fallstorm> just the icon in the menubar/menus
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> oh
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> hmm
[08:34] <MMond> Well, whatever it was . . . so is that how distos are differentiated? I think I've taken Linux to be a lot easier than what it is
[08:34] <LiberalTugboat> find out what png file it uses and swap it
[08:34] <LiberalTugboat> you can use php5
[08:34] <MMond> !ping
[08:34] <MMond> Woah, i can?
[08:35] <LiberalTugboat> yeah, why not?
[08:35] <LiberalTugboat> this is linux
[08:35] <fallstorm> MMond, a distribution is just some guy's selection of packages they decide make a good operating system
[08:35] <fallstorm> Tied together with an installer and package manager (in most cases)
[08:35] <jirwin> can anyone tell me how to get to the menu editor in hoary?
[08:35] <Arnia> And some polish too
[08:35] <MMond> Hmm, I don't know . . . I was told by someone I could, that the packages are not.. compiled, or something . . . I'm not sure. I'm a Linux nub, started using Ubuntu 2 weeks ago
[08:35] <fallstorm> You should be able to use PHP5, but you may have to do it yourself
[08:35] <Arnia> jirwin: Get Amaranth's menu editor
[08:35] <fallstorm> Yeah... you might have to comple the packages yourself from PHP's site
[08:35] <jirwin> thanks :)
[08:36] <MMond> fallstorm: So as simple as - get the source, and compile it?
[08:36] <LiberalTugboat> yeah
[08:36] <fallstorm> I haven't tried this and I'm sure I'll be flamed if it isn't true, but you might be able to use debian packages
[08:36] <fallstorm> since Ubuntu is based on debian
[08:36] <scott> LiberalTugboat: right clicking doesn't let you change the icon that shows up in the task list
[08:36] <Amaranth> fallstorm: Depends on the package.
[08:36] <scott> LiberalTugboat: sure, you can change the shortcut inthe start menu, but that will leave the actual app icon unchanged
[08:36] <BazziE> I'm using some debian packages, no problems here.
[08:36] <LiberalTugboat> scott, what you will need to do is find out the png it uses and swap it with the one you want
[08:37] <MMond> So . . . I should meet no problems of that sort . . . that when there's some source file . . . whatever it is, I can unpack it - compile it - and install it, regardless of what distro - just that it is linux?
[08:37] <LiberalTugboat> MMond, yeah exactly
[08:37] <fallstorm> That is correct... however, if you do that, you will have to update it manually
[08:37] <fallstorm> every time there is a release
[08:37] <elmaya> nice nice xfce 4.2.1 finally
[08:37] <libben> is there anything else to get nice desklets on desktop? gdesklets is just not working proper here
[08:38] <fallstorm> One advantage of using a packange manager is upgrades are handled (more or less) automatically and easily
[08:38] <fallstorm> *package
[08:38] <MMond> fallstorm: like, synaptic? You mean to say.. that it can be updated, everything, by a simply "update" or "apt-get update?"
[08:38] <BazziE> MMond not exactly regardless what distro
[08:39] <fallstorm> Packages can be updated automatically in that way, but not things you compile from source
[08:39] <BazziE> ubuntu is forked from debian sid, so you have to use sid packages if you dont want to screw your system ;-)
[08:39] <fallstorm> If it's updates and you compile from source, you'll have to re-compile when there's an update you want
[08:39] <MMond> BazziE: Now that I'm surfing for files.. I usually see the source.. rpm package.. apt packages.. for the source, what can be caused that would mess things up?
[08:39] <fallstorm> Until php5 is released as a ubuntu package, that is
[08:39] <MMond> fallstorm: ahh
[08:39] <fallstorm> You might be able to find a php5 package that's outside the official repositories, but it might bork your system, so be careful :)
[08:40] <LiberalTugboat> php5 will probably be in breezy (but thats 6 months away)
[08:40] <LiberalTugboat> ^^just a guess^^
[08:40] <BazziE> MMond well, distribution authors change the packages/sources to compile to places etc they want, so you might run into the problem, that you dont get stuff where you have it usually.
[08:40] <dougsk> is ubuntu.com resolving for anyone?
[08:40] <libben> im so bored... might even do a /exec -o
[08:40] <libben> So so is good, very good, very excellent good:
[08:40] <libben> and yet it is not; it is but so so.
[08:40] <libben> 		-- William Shakespeare, "As You Like It"
[08:40] <LiberalTugboat> the website is ubuntulinux.com
[08:40] <Amaranth> BazziE: Yeah, I suspect building mod_php will be painful.
 Until php5 is released as a ubuntu package, that is  <-- "as a ubuntu package" so . . . developers do have to do something precise? And in fact . . . some stuff doesn't work on some distros . . . back to square 1 o.0
[08:41] <BazziE> yeah for php5 I'd also compile apache ymself
[08:41] <BazziE> otherwise it's a nightmare
[08:41] <fallstorm> Well.. there are several package managers out there
[08:41] <dougsk> LiberalTugboat, hmm my apt sources were configured otherwise
[08:41] <fallstorm> there's dkpg (debian, ubuntu, and others forked from debian), rpm (redhat and it's forks), tgz (Slackware), etc
[08:41] <MMond> Mmmhm, BazziE, am I safe to think of it as win 95 is different to win nt, as ubuntu is to ... such and such?
[08:42] <LiberalTugboat> oh, are you trying to update?
[08:42] <fallstorm> you have to use a package that works with your distro (in most cases, some can be converted)
[08:42] <dougsk> LiberalTugboat, yeah and it's failing
[08:42] <MMond> fallstorm: But on that, a safer thing would be to get the source, and compile it yourself?
[08:42] <LiberalTugboat> works fine here
[08:42] <fallstorm> and it helps that a ubuntu developer packages it because then the ubuntu-specific packages will be listed as depends and there's less of a chance you'll mess things up
[08:42] <Dreamer3> crimsun: near as i can determine i have to remaster the ubuntu initrd to stop vesafb from being loaded
[08:42] <fallstorm> I would say yes
[08:42] <fallstorm> at this point
[08:42] <fallstorm> But, be sure you read all the documentation first
[08:43] <fallstorm> There's also no easy uninstall for things compiled from source :)
[08:43] <MMond> oh my
[08:43] <LiberalTugboat> well fallstorm if he compiles he can use checkinstall
[08:43] <fsapo> hum.. i need a little help with putting a password in a folder with apache... anyone knows how to do it? i do it with cpanel but i m running apache in my pc now
[08:43] <LiberalTugboat> that makes it pretty easy to uninstall
[08:43] <BazziE> MMond yep, think of it like win95 sues windows/system and win nt uses windows/system32 as directories and so on. Also with config etc :)
[08:43] <fallstorm> That's true... and some packages do have uninstall defined in their makefiles
[08:43] <libben> FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #5
[08:43] <libben> A:	The Halls of Montezuma and the Shores of Tripoli.
[08:43] <libben> Q:	Name two families whose kids won't join the Marines.
[08:43] <fallstorm> err, not packages
[08:44] <fallstorm> wrong word to use for this context :)
[08:44] <AcidWolf> anyone using PPC that can paste me a copy of there sources.list
[08:44] <Dreamer3> does cp not make hard links?
[08:44] <Dreamer3> i'm trying to figure out the "right" way to rebuild an ubuntu initrd
[08:44] <Amaranth> fallstorm: That requires keeping a copy of the source around too.
[08:44] <LiberalTugboat> MMond, if you compile, you can role your own .deb packages using "checkinstall" in place of "makeinstall"
[08:44] <fallstorm> Yep it does
[08:44] <MMond> fallstorm: So for example.. if I install apache2 (uninstall included.. I think) and then I later install other mods from source . . . will I just have to do a big uninstall with apache2 and count on it to do the work for me?
[08:45] <Amaranth> MMond: nope
[08:45] <fallstorm> MMond, I'm going to defer to the others in the channel because I have a feeling I could easily steer you wrong here :)
[08:45] <fallstorm> Good luck :)
[08:45] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[08:45] <Dreamer3> cp -a is definately not working
[08:45] <Amaranth> MMond: sudo apt-get install checkinstall, get PHP source and run ./configure and make however you usually would then run "checkinstall" instead of "make install".
[08:45] <MMond> Ehhh ;\ in packages, is there some sort of utility that can verify the system, as to maybe check things . . . like the synaptic manager first hand checks for things that are mandatory prior to the installation to some things?
[08:46] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[08:46] <LiberalTugboat> MMond, at this point fallstorm is right, you should probably head over to the PHP site and read the documentation
[08:46] <AcidWolf> um
[08:46] <AcidWolf> nevermind i see Hoary relsease is out yay *click*
[08:46] <fallstorm> MMond, I will give you some advice first...
[08:46] <Amaranth> MMond: Unless you have some extremely important reason for using PHP5 I'd just wait.
[08:47] <fallstorm> Try compiling and installing irssi first
[08:47] <kakalto> I'll be back
[08:47] <LiberalTugboat> MMond, that is the point of a package manager, to check for depenencies
[08:47] <fallstorm> It's a relatively simple install and it won't mess up your system if something goes wrong
[08:47] <Dreamer3> is there a command other than cp which can copy but preserve hard links?
[08:47] <fallstorm> It's also pretty typical
[08:47] <fallstorm> (irssi is an irc client)
[08:47] <fallstorm> That way when you get to compiling PHP you'll have a better idea of what to expect
[08:48] <MMond> Broadly speaking, (and it is not php I'm trying to install.. I asked a very general question inititally, merely to attain a better understanding for this.. because things like these were confusing me a bit) but broadly speaking . . . can there be no utility in the source, that when I make (I think "make" is the term I wanna use o.0) . . . that it can have some sort of utlity to check the dependencies (?)
[08:48] <MMond> Alright
[08:48] <EvilIdler> Many webhosts are still on PHP4, probably for a reason. Mine is using a special version that properly runs the scripts under the username I have with them, though.
[08:48] <fallstorm> MMond, there's configure, which almost everything you require will have you run
[08:48] <fallstorm> It checks to make sure things are in good order
[08:48] <fallstorm> and most of the time will tell you if there are dependancies which aren't met
[08:49] <BazziE> EvilIdler and every sane webhost won't upgrade php4 to php5 without asking ;)
[08:49] <EvilIdler> BazziE: Exactly :)
[08:49] <MMond> I already have irssi installed though.. (did "apt-get install irssi") I have yet not installed anything from source.. and people are telling me I better get familiar with it asap.. so I can expect to maybe do a "apt-get uninstall irssi" and rely it to uninstall everything without wory?
[08:49] <EvilIdler> My webhost will probably add a PHP5 server that is optional, keeping the PHP4 servers as they are
[08:49] <Markrian> MMond, why do you WANT to install anything from source?
[08:50] <BazziE> Mine did, I'm on a php5.0.4 server :-)
[08:50] <fallstorm> Yes, you can do that becuase it's a package :)
[08:50] <MMond> Markrian: I came upon several things, on installation, like php4 and apache2, and when I went to get help in those chans.. people usually said "Ugh, you didn't compile from source?"
[08:51] <EvilIdler> And when you compile from source:" Ugh, you compiled with the wrong flags!"
[08:51] <MMond> fallstorm: Got it.. will do. Can I rely on the documentation given on the official irssi website to tell me what to do, in terms of building it from source?
[08:51] <BazziE> MMond if you want a controllable php system you have to compile from source anyway.
[08:51] <LiberalTugboat> RTFM RTFM!!
[08:51] <fallstorm> Yes, you won't have any problems
[08:51] <fallstorm> It's a pretty clean install
[08:51] <BazziE> MMond I dont recommend using the packages for anything other than testing
[08:51] <fallstorm> Good practice
[08:51] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[08:52] <LiberalTugboat> I hate communities that just blame you when things go wrong and then scream RTFM
[08:52] <Markrian> MMond, ignore them, they're being idiots
[08:52] <MMond> Any manuals I should read? So far.. the one I've read is: http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/ well not entirely done.. still a bit confused, but I'm getting there . . .
[08:52] <EvilIdler> LiberalTugboat: You confused "community" with "clique" there ;)
[08:53] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[08:53] <LiberalTugboat> yeah thats why im part of the ubuntu community
[08:53] <EvilIdler> Mmm
[08:53] <BazziE> MMond do you use your system productively or do you have a dedicated linux playground you can bork?
[08:53] <fallstorm> MMond, I'm not completely familiar with what's out there in terms of manuals these days, but be sure you read the readmes and install files
[08:53] <LiberalTugboat> and not using a gentoo, slack, or arch box (even debian can be that way)
[08:54] <pizbit> crimsun: A while back you mentioned something about not using 'aoss esd' but instead with the .asoundrc and dmix to 'overload' something or rather which would force everything to be dmixed, don't suppose you have a link handy?:)
[08:54] <MMond> BazziE: I'm on a 266 mhz laptop.. I originally wanted to work with php, and initally I was told by someone to get linux, work locally with servers to attain a better understanding . . . so I'm simply playing around and testing for the most parts
[08:54] <BazziE> gentoo people are especially freindy when it comes to newbies ;)
[08:54] <LiberalTugboat> the community support behind ubuntu is by fat WAY better then the rest
[08:54] <MMond> And Debian people are the most bitter . . . ;x especially when you tell them that you use linux ;\
[08:55] <Markrian> pizbit, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=.asoundrc
[08:55] <Markrian> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[08:55] <EvilIdler> MMond: Don't forget an SQL server of some sort ;)
[08:55] <BazziE> MMond then you can just go ahead and try to compile everything yourself, learning by doing does more harm but gets you quicker learning results if you do it right
[08:55] <MMond> LiberalTugboat: Yep, very quickly, when something becomes mainstream, we can always earn good support
[08:56] <Markrian> MMond, what do you mean by "especially when you tell them that you use linux ;\ " ?
[08:56] <MMond> EvilIdler: Yep.. I was able to install apache2 (through apt-get install, haven't done too much work myself yet) but I haven't gotten mysql to work yet, which I tried
[08:56] <LiberalTugboat> I was using suse, but their number 1 community web forum had a dispute between the people who ran it, and it turned into 2 forums.
[08:56] <LiberalTugboat> you had to search both to find answers, what a freaking mess
[08:56] <MMond> BazziE: Any guide out there dedicated solely to these things - basics of compiling, and what to worry when compiling common things?
[08:56] <EvilIdler> MMond: Get that PHPMySQLAdmin script. Makes things a ton easier, if you at least have the admin user for MySQL properly configured.
[08:56] <pizbit> Markrian: Hrm, the latter link's information never got me far enough(but partially worked) I'll look at the first
[08:57] <MMond> Markrian: Hrmm, sorry, typo, must had been. I meant something like "especially when you tell them you use Ubuntu"
[08:57] <BazziE> MMond I havent used one guide myself, I just tried ;) I can help you with the very basics
[08:57] <Markrian> aha
[08:57] <word_virus> Slightly confused. When dist-upgrading to Hoary I need to change EVERY instance of "warty" to "hoary" in apt-get sources, correct?
[08:57] <pizbit> word_virus: Correct
[08:57] <Markrian> word_virus, yup
[08:58] <Dreamer3> crimsun: one remastered initrd later, nope, not vesafb :) though i have NO idea how you turn yorus off, since it's modprobed in the initrd
[08:58] <EvilIdler> word_virus:  Just filter it through sed :)
[08:58] <LiberalTugboat> I dont understand why the debian followers dislike ubuntu as much as they do
[08:58] <MMond> BazziE: So far . . . the guide that has helped by far the most was probably http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/ covered everything really well :D . . . tldp.org, I think I can trust it for most of help
[08:58] <i0n_st0rm> anyone here use backports?
[08:58] <word_virus> Okay, thanks!  Have warty working great and didn't want to break anything doing the upgrade!
[08:58] <LiberalTugboat> ubuntu contributes a ton of bug fixes to sid
[08:59] <linux_galore> hmm
[08:59] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: not all of them :) I use both. They get frustrated when people think Ubuntu== Debian
[08:59] <EvilIdler> MMond: There are also a couple of books I can recommend, by Larry Ullman. They cover some setup of servers plus lots of PHP.
[08:59] <BazziE> MMond hey I even ahd to compile a kernel module myself to get wlan working in the first place ;-)
[08:59] <LiberalTugboat> maybe they are jealous that we have up to date systems?
[08:59] <linuxboy> I have a really slow internet connection, ive just finished downloading the hoary-RC. But now the MD5SUMS are all for the official release, where can I get the RC MD5sums?
[08:59] <i0n_st0rm> ubuntu == tweaked, specialized debian lol
[09:00] <Dreamer3> hmmmm, brown theme changes colors over time, no?
[09:00] <BazziE> LiberalTugboat they realize that ubuntu is the better debian ;)
[09:00] <LiberalTugboat> Ill give that a hell yeah
[09:00] <EvilIdler> BazziE: Arrogant as it seems, it's true :)
[09:00] <BazziE> seriously, Canonical Inc is also heavily funded
[09:00] <i0n_st0rm> it's not better.. just better at what it does
[09:00] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: remember it's only a few, rather silly Debian fanatics who have this attitude, not all of Debian
[09:00] <i0n_st0rm> without debian, there would be no ubuntu
[09:00] <MMond> BazziE: Currently, lots of people have told me to recompile my kernel.. have been having some acpi problems . . . currently, my battery is not working, floppy drive not working, sound not working.. and a couple of few things. As of this time, I've just decided to not mind it . . . and maybe settle them when I have a better understanding of Linux
[09:00] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I know
[09:01] <i0n_st0rm> so no one here actually uses backports repositories?
[09:01] <BazziE> MMond usually you dont need to compile the whole kernel, just modules.
[09:01] <LiberalTugboat> i0n_st0rm, backports are bad bad bad
[09:01] <EvilIdler> MMond: The first month of Linux is tough, then it gets increasingly easier
[09:01] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[09:01] <Markrian> i0n_st0rm, why would Ubuntu users use backports?
[09:01] <i0n_st0rm> LiberalTugboat: i'm beginning to see this ;)
[09:01] <fallstorm> I remember my first linux experience... Slack 3.1
[09:02] <LiberalTugboat> remove them ALL before you upgrade
[09:02] <fallstorm> I started X and I thought "what in the WORLD is this?"
[09:02] <linux_galore> yeah Ubuntu uses pretty new packages they dont need back ports
[09:02] <Markrian> i0n_st0rm, y'know, given most packages in Ubuntu are taken from Debian unstable branch and so are usually very up-to-date
[09:02] <i0n_st0rm> i mistakenly added backports
[09:02] <LiberalTugboat> I have been using linux for about 6 months straight
[09:02] <i0n_st0rm> it's bugging me greatly, too :)
[09:02] <linux_galore> 5 years here
[09:02] <LiberalTugboat> and it gets much easier over time
[09:02] <i0n_st0rm> i'm going to have to roll back my repository list and apt-get update/grade to fix it
[09:03] <linux_galore> Linux is a total no brainer for me now....way easier these days than when i started
[09:03] <LiberalTugboat> why dont you just do a clean install i0n?
[09:03] <MMond> I hope so . . . I'm pretty much settled, have learned the very very basics of CLI, although as simple as working my way around little things . . . and comfortable enough to now use it as a system to do common work. Just gotta correct a few things . . . and then I just might leave win(blows)
[09:03] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: flush time
[09:03] <i0n_st0rm> linux_galore: flush time?
[09:04] <linux_galore> flush the install........<sound=toilet flushing>
[09:04] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[09:04] <i0n_st0rm> flush the install?
[09:04] <i0n_st0rm> what ever for?
[09:04] <steve_> has anyone seen md5sums for Hoary?
[09:04] <LiberalTugboat> MMond, if you want a couple good books to learn from, The linux Cookbook (no starch press) and the linux pocket guide (orielly)
[09:04] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: some times it takes more time to fix the install than to just flush it
[09:05] <Arnia> I had tremendous fun setting up my first linux system at the tender age of 13... I think mine was slack 3.1 too. A CD I got from cheapbytes, only I couldn't resize my win95 install so I had to use UMSDOS.
[09:05] <LiberalTugboat> both books helped ALOT
[09:05] <Arnia> I think I must have been mad
[09:05] <i0n_st0rm> linux_galore: the backports only changed like 5 things.. i just need to find which ones :)
[09:05] <Arnia> Hey... I still am ;)
[09:05] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: check your logs
[09:06] <Dreamer3> ok
[09:06] <Dreamer3> hoary
[09:06] <Dreamer3> someone open gedit and drag the toolbar off
[09:06] <Dreamer3> drop it
[09:06] <Dreamer3> can you move it then?
[09:06] <Dreamer3> is this a bug?
[09:06] <imsdle> does anyone here use icewm?
[09:06] <i0n_st0rm> hmm
[09:06] <linux_galore> Dreamer3: just did works fine
[09:07] <linux_galore> Dreamer3: dragged it off then dragged it back
[09:07] <Dreamer3> linux_galore: hmmmmmm, let me try on my other box
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> dreamer... I got the same problem
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> cant move it back
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> (crap_
[09:07] <i0n_st0rm> linux_galore: my update (which i did in synaptic so have a handy history) shows 6 upgrades, how do i tell which is backport?
[09:07] <linux_galore> lol
[09:07] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: wouldnt have a clue
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> umm this sux
[09:07] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, I can't me it either
[09:07] <i0n_st0rm> i did a fresh hoary install from the release iso earlier, so there's not much for me to screw up yet :)
[09:08] <linux_galore> LiberalTugboat: use xkill
[09:08] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, and this is a fresh install today
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> yeah that worked
[09:08] <Dreamer3> linux_galore: are you using hoary, release?
[09:08] <linux_galore> yeah got hoary on my iBook so far so good
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> yeah its a bug
[09:08] <linux_galore> Dreamer3: yeppers
[09:08] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: yes, it's obviously a bug of some sort, luckily i never do that and only moved one today by accident
[09:08] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, LiberalTugboat I am going to file a bug in gnome bugzilla
[09:09] <i0n_st0rm> hmm
[09:09] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: could be a ubuntu thing
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> sounds good to me
[09:09] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: i'm very curious what makes linux_galore's install different than hours
[09:09] <fallstorm> I wish I could get ubuntu on my iBook, but unfortunately no support for Airport Extreme cards is a dealbreaker right now
[09:09] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, I suspect not
[09:09] <linux_galore> Dreamer3: PPC version
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> mine was a fresh install
[09:09] <Dreamer3> linux_galore: hmmmmmm
[09:09] <coastGNU> Burgundavia: I would suggest to check if this behaviour only occurs in gedit or if it is a general gnome problem which is also in other gnome apps.
[09:09] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: fresh install here... well... fresh hoary before release... upgraded to hoary release
[09:09] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, I going to ask in #gnome for a non ubuntu person
[09:10] <Dreamer3> coastGNU: i found the problem in evolutoin
[09:10] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, confirm it there
[09:10] <Commodore4eva> i dont use ubun tu ?
[09:10] <Commodore4eva> whats the question
[09:10] <Dreamer3> coastGNU: was just testing it in gedit to confirm exactly that :)
[09:10] <LiberalTugboat> I dont think its a gnome wide problem
[09:10] <LiberalTugboat> synaptic menu doesnt freeze when it moves
[09:11] <Commodore4eva> gtk versus gtk+
[09:11] <linux_galore> <- has already hacked a few things in his Ubuntu install
[09:11] <Dreamer3> linux_galore: gthumb, gedit, evo...
[09:11] <Dreamer3> linux_galore: and couting
[09:11] <Commodore4eva> hacked
[09:11] <Commodore4eva> lmao
[09:11] <i0n_st0rm> i really don't want to just reinstall again lol
[09:11] <linux_galore> Dreamer3: sounds like a lib bug
[09:11] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, I can confirm in gthumb
[09:11] <coastGNU> If this menu problem shows up in more than one gnome app it's definetely more a gnome bug than a application bug
[09:11] <Commodore4eva> you guy are sure hacker
[09:11] <Commodore4eva> lmao
[09:12] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: and majongg :)
[09:12] <Dreamer3> linux_galore: i agree
[09:12] <Dreamer3> i can move it with alt, but not re-dock it ever
[09:12] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, must be an underlying issue
[09:12] <i0n_st0rm> coastGNU: which menu problem?
[09:12] <Commodore4eva> yes you can
[09:12] <Dreamer3> wonder if it means hoary stays broken :)
[09:12] <thoreauputic> Commodore4eva: I think you misunderstand the word "hack"
[09:12] <Commodore4eva> but its a pain in the ass
[09:12] <LiberalTugboat> NOT MAJONGG.... NO!!!!
[09:13] <linux_galore> Dreamer3: ive got kde packages installed and Im in the KDE desktop got gnome there too
[09:13] <Dreamer3> like i said, won't affect me :)
[09:13] <Dreamer3> but i can confirm it's quite real on a fresh install :)
[09:13] <Commodore4eva> ho thoerau your that guy i had to argue with yesterday ....
[09:13] <i0n_st0rm> what menu problem is he talking about?
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Commodore4eva: so  I see
[09:14] <Commodore4eva> ;P
[09:14] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: open getid and rip of the tittle bar
[09:14] <coastGNU> i0n_st0rm: s/menu/drag the toolbar/
[09:14] <linux_galore> gedit*
[09:15] <Commodore4eva> you can put it back but the drop zone is 1 pixel wide
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> i dont have getid installed
[09:15] <Commodore4eva> and its a ubuntu bug
[09:15] <Commodore4eva> not gnome at all
[09:15] <Cybermagellan> Anyone around that knows of any flowcharting in GNOME?
[09:15] <i0n_st0rm> rip off the title bar?
[09:15] <Commodore4eva> yeah
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> Commodore4eva, you cant put it back because you cant move it after dropping it
[09:15] <Commodore4eva> but the best thing to do is to disable this useless option anyway
[09:15] <steve_> Cybermagellan:  try dia, somewhat lacking
[09:15] <Commodore4eva> you can
[09:15] <Commodore4eva> noob
[09:16] <Commodore4eva> try alt
[09:16] <LiberalTugboat> dont be an ass
[09:16] <Cybermagellan> Yeah i didn't wanna use Dia....was looking for something more "professional"
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Commodore4eva: *sigh* cut it out, ffs
[09:16] <LiberalTugboat> it doesnt make you any cooler, or any more mature
[09:16] <Commodore4eva> men i realize that the first day i tried ubuntu
[09:16] <Imdle> my PC is running slow... are there any ideas on how to speed up ubuntu?> themes or something
[09:16] <Commodore4eva> its your bug
[09:16] <LiberalTugboat> we will never see you as all knowing... it will only earn you disrespect
[09:16] <Burgundavia> Commodore4eva, please don't call people 'noob' in #ubuntu
[09:16] <lunitik> Cybermagellan: dia is about the only option for GTK... there is Kivio also... but thats Qt...
[09:16] <Commodore4eva> no othere distro with gnome i tried did this
[09:16] <linux_galore> Cybermagellan: try inkscape
[09:17] <fallstorm> Imdle, what are your systems stats?
[09:17] <i0n_st0rm> Imdle: your system is running slow with ubuntu? what kind of system are you running?
[09:17] <Cybermagellan> Inkscape hmmmm
[09:17] <Dreamer3> conclusion: don't tear off things unless youw ant to leave them torn off :)
[09:17] <Adrachin> hello everyone....
[09:17] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: same guy as yesterday
[09:17] <Commodore4eva> yep
[09:17] <Dreamer3> Commodore4eva: what other distro you tried?  gnome 2.10- isn't going to be in many distros :)
[09:17] <Burgundavia> Cybermagellan, inkscape is more for artists, a la Illustrator
[09:17] <linux_galore> Commodore4eva: I found dia a bit old .....inkscape is way better
[09:17] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, grumble grumble
[09:17] <Imdle> how do i get those
[09:17] <Commodore4eva> tss like i cant compil it
[09:17] <i0n_st0rm> oh dear
[09:18] <linux_galore> yeah even gentoo doesnt have 2.10.x
[09:18] <thoreauputic> Is there an op in the channel? hello?
[09:18] <fallstorm> Imdle, how fast is your processor and how much memory do you have?
[09:18] <Commodore4eva> gentto
[09:18] <Commodore4eva> lmao
[09:18] <Commodore4eva> like that could be a good exemple
[09:18] <Imdle> 500mhz with 386 mb ram
[09:18] <linux_galore> this is a first a binary distro ahead of gentoo
[09:18] <i0n_st0rm> gentoo rocks :-p
[09:18] <steve_> see ya
[09:18] <Angelus> Hi, i have a amd64 box and hoary i386 installed, is it possible to change the apt sources and do something like a dist-upgrade to switch to amd64 ?
[09:18] <fallstorm> Imdle, 500mhz is a little slow for all the graphical things gnome does
[09:18] <Commodore4eva> install fvwm
[09:19] <Commodore4eva> forget about gnome
[09:19] <fallstorm> it's possible to install an alternate window manager that will be less resource-intensive
[09:19] <geppy_> fvwm sucks
[09:19] <fallstorm> I'd start there
[09:19] <Burgundavia> fallstorm, I ran warty on a 600 mhz
[09:19] <geppy_> use fluxbox
[09:19] <linux_galore> xfce4 rules
[09:19] <Commodore4eva> blackbox
[09:19] <EvilIdler> Angelus: Should be doable. But get the kernel *first*, then reboot
[09:19] <Commodore4eva> fluxbox suck
[09:19] <geppy_> Commodore4eva: haha =)
[09:19] <thenuke> p3-500 ran gnome ok
[09:19] <Cybermagellan> Commodore4eva, do you have anything positive to say?
[09:19] <fallstorm> It's possible, but slow is also a relative term
[09:19] <Commodore4eva> sometime rarelly
[09:19] <Burgundavia> Imdle, I would try xfce. It is half way between gnome and something really lighweight
[09:19] <linux_galore> thenuke: run xfce4 on it ..all gtk still but waaaaaaaaaaaaay faster
[09:19] <fallstorm> I think it's a little slow on my P4 1.6ghz 512mb RAM ;)
[09:19] <Commodore4eva> try blackbox if this one lag your doomed
[09:20] <Angelus> EvilIdler: what should i change? don't know how to specify what branch i want to use
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Commodore4eva: enjoy your idiocy while you can - there will be policy changes here very soon
[09:20] <fallstorm> And I also recommend blackbox
[09:20] <linux_galore> naaw xfce4 makes blackpox look like crap
[09:20] <LiberalTugboat> Commodore4eva, maybe you should leave before you make a complete fool of your self. This channel is for support, since you are perfect and all knowing you obviously dont need any, and you sure are giving any, maybe you should check out #flood. Your comments would be more appreciated there
[09:20] <Commodore4eva> like i could care
[09:20] <Imdle> will xfce come up on the session menu?
[09:20] <thenuke> linux_galore: yeap, well, that's my sisters computer, she's ok with what she has now
[09:20] <Imdle> will have all the apps like evolution?
[09:20] <Commodore4eva> am the all knowing mighty wiz
[09:20] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: he's a self-confessed troll
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Imdle, It will come up on the session menu
[09:20] <EvilIdler> Angelus: It takes the architecture from uname, so you'll need the kernel package installed and running
[09:20] <Commodore4eva> and i do make more money in a year than you
[09:21] <Burgundavia> Imdle, xfce also uses gtk
[09:21] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: you still gonna file a bug?
[09:21] <linux_galore> <-- ran blackbox for 9 months till he discovered XFCE
[09:21] <Commodore4eva> and i do scam way more people than you in a year
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Commodore4eva: we really don't care
[09:21] <Cybermagellan> Commodore4eva, considering Linux is free....who cares about money?
[09:21] <i0n_st0rm> i've been called a troll before.. which really threw me for a loop, because i took a 6 year break from irc and last time i was here troll meant something very different
[09:21] <geppy_> xfce is beautiful
[09:21] <Commodore4eva> your dummer tha dumb
[09:21] <Angelus> EvilIdler: so just by installing an amd64 kernel and doing a dist-upgrade should be enough ?
[09:21] <Commodore4eva> who care about money ,,,, you do jackass
[09:21] <geppy_> Will installing xfce set it up with GDM?
[09:21] <Cybermagellan> ok....that's rediculous
[09:21] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, still waiting for confirmation from #gnome
[09:21] <Cybermagellan> Any how...
[09:21] <EvilIdler> Commodore4eva: And you're not a good speller when you're angry at the world.
[09:21] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, I will do so if I haven't heard in a bit
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> maybe he has to pay for other free things? like sex? water? parking?
[09:22] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: i don't think you'll get it *laughs*
[09:22] <Imdle> hey commodore4eva.. piss off
[09:22] <linux_galore> heh heh
[09:22] <linuxn00b> Is it possible for Kpilot to crash the entire system?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> crimsun, do you have ops? Does someone?
[09:22] <Dreamer3> i'll get confirmation from gentoo :)
[09:22] <linuxn00b> Everytime I run Kpilot (Palm sync program), I crash my computer
[09:22] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[09:22] <linuxn00b> Both under the latest Ubuntu and Knoppix :(
[09:22] <Cybermagellan> were on freenode....we can probably request from another channel....
[09:22] <Dreamer3> they should be using bleeding edge stuff
[09:22] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, meh, you can try
[09:22] <linux_galore> then again could be a dragon
[09:22] <Cybermagellan> We had the same thing in #pearpc
[09:22] <Commodore4eva> anyway this channel got the less informed crowd i ever seen its funny
[09:22] <EvilIdler> Angelus: The kernel has 32-bit support as it is from Ubuntu, so I don't see anything wrong as such. There's also no specification of the arch in sources.list, so I gather it's taken from uname. Worth a try :)
[09:22] <i0n_st0rm> last i was on irc troll meant someone trolling for cybersex.. and was just as highly looked down upon
[09:23] <Cybermagellan> The best thing is to ignore him
[09:23] <linuxn00b> there used be a lot of knowledgeable people here..including the developers..
[09:23] <linuxn00b> but ever since Ubuntu got popular.. oh well. :(
[09:23] <Commodore4eva> lmao
[09:23] <FreezerX> Hm, although I ve enabled universe the package manager can't find java-package
[09:23] <Commodore4eva> like ubuntu dev where real devlopper
[09:23] <linux_galore> pffft like what do i know about Linux
[09:23] <Angelus> EvilIdler: thanks a lot, i'll try it, I hope it wasn't the Evil in your nick giving me advices =D
[09:23] <Commodore4eva> its just a debian rip off
[09:23] <geppy_> FreezerX: It isn't there, I just was looking for it;  hold on, I'll "hook you up"
[09:23] <EvilIdler> Angelus: If all else fails, save /home, /etc/X11/xorg.conf and any tricky files in /etc you need ;)
[09:24] <EvilIdler> Angelus: It's the second half this time - the one that wants things done before I have to do anything :P
[09:24] <FreezerX> ok
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> anybody could do a distro
[09:24] <linux_galore> Commodore4eva: DUH! same guys behind Ubuntu are the same guys doing work for Debian and Gnome
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> i got troll os running on my own pc
[09:24] <Angelus> EvilIdler: thanks again, i'll go try that then
[09:24] <linuxn00b> Not just a debian rip-off..
[09:24] <Cybermagellan> Commodore4eva, then go make one and leave us alone
[09:24] <Angelus> bye everyone
[09:24] <Imdle> so just apt-get install xfce?
[09:24] <linuxn00b> it's a debian distro..
[09:24] <linuxn00b> anyways..
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> alredy done
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> Tr0||_OS
[09:24] <linuxn00b> So it's possible to crash computer (hard crash) under linux :(
[09:24] <i0n_st0rm> it's a specialized and tweaked debian branch
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> everyhting is green and slimmy
[09:25] <linuxn00b> kinda disappointed to find out..
[09:25] <i0n_st0rm> though i don't know that branch is the right word
[09:25] <linuxn00b> I was expecting 100% stable system..
[09:25] <Commodore4eva> tsss
[09:25] <woodwizzle> How can I install fonts that I download (a la the web not synaptic)?
[09:25] <linuxn00b> Also, computer crashed aftrer playing ETF (3d shoot) for a while..
[09:25] <i0n_st0rm> it's very possible, especially if you don't know what you're doing
[09:25] <Commodore4eva> like that could exist
[09:25] <zzyber> can i get direct rendering in ubuntu xorg if i use xorg radeon driver instead of fglrx
[09:25] <Dreamer3> linuxn00b: it's more stable than almost anything save mainframe/bsds
[09:25] <Commodore4eva> the biggest instabillity isnt the os or the software its most of the time dumb users fault
[09:25] <linux_galore> linuxn00b: depends....there are daemons that you can run that catch apps that have run amok and basically kill them or reset them or ask you waht to do
[09:25] <Dreamer3> zzyber: prolly not
[09:26] <EvilIdler> linuxn00b: Crashes/kernel panics are very often signs of damage of some sort
[09:26] <linuxn00b> The funny thing was, XMMS was playing shoutcast stream in the background, it's just I couldn't get out of the crashed ETF game..
[09:26] <Arnia> linuxn00b: Its impossible to prove that a program will always work :)
[09:26] <linuxn00b> no combo of keys worked.
[09:26] <geppy_> XMMS sucks!
[09:26] <i0n_st0rm> something tells me that Commodore4eva is running win3.0
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> no no
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> 2.0
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> way cooler
[09:26] <LiberalTugboat> Commodore4eva, your life must be very very lonely; when I remeber your age... 13 is a tough age in a boys life, the awkwordness, growing pains, your voice starts changing, girls ignore you. I am sorry all this pain has cause you to become a troll
[09:26] <linuxn00b> heh..
[09:26] <Cybermagellan> i0n_st0rm, Don't even bother
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> lamao
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> lmao
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> wish i still was this age
[09:26] <linux_galore> most kernel paics Ive come across seem to always be related to X
[09:27] <i0n_st0rm> Cybermagellan: i'm not.. was a random thought :)
[09:27] <linux_galore> panics*
[09:27] <woodwizzle> Is there a font folder i should copy all fonts to? or is there a utility i need to run to install a font?
[09:27] <linuxn00b> ha.. so after 8 hours, I finally got my printer, camera, Asian language input, e-mail, etc. workng.
[09:27] <Arnia> Maybe he's in the closet and his anger at himself is spilling out ;)
[09:27] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: i'm working on getting confirmation from gentoo
[09:27] <linuxn00b> So I think this distro will be my first distro that I will use for an extended period of time.
[09:27] <Commodore4eva> your funny
[09:27] <Arnia> Oh, yes... anyone using bazaar and Gnome here?
[09:27] <linuxn00b> all my hardware is supported...
[09:27] <Cybermagellan> That's what happens when you let a Linux user over at Michael Jacksons house
[09:27] <Arnia> Oh, I remember being there :p
[09:27] <linux_galore> linuxn00b: technically you only do that once then you just keep updating for the life of the machine
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> tssss
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> you wont keep ubuntu for year
[09:28] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, thanks
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> its just a passing period
[09:28] <Cybermagellan> Commodore4eva, what distro do you use?
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> i know i wouldnt
[09:28] <EvilIdler> Why haven't you banned the troller's subnet yet?
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> slack
[09:28] <linuxn00b> linux_galore, btw, I installed using RC... last night.. so I don't have to reinstall using the release ver? thanks.
[09:28] <Cybermagellan> And your here why?
[09:29] <toresbe> /usr/bin/../lib/libaudio.so.2: undefined reference to `XauGetBestAuthByAddr'
[09:29] <Commodore4eva> cuz you guy are suck a freak shown
[09:29] <toresbe> what does this mean in a config.log?
[09:29] <woodwizzle> If I save new fonts in new folder in /usr/share/fonts will all my programs be able to see it?
[09:29] <linuxn00b> now, I can only get to stream videos using Firefox a la Internet explorer + activeX + directx + mediaplayer
[09:29] <i0n_st0rm> i've only found one distro that i like better better than ubuntu.. but the headaches it gave me just made me want a break from them
[09:29] <EvilIdler> Commodore4eva: Says the little boy who needs to hang out on IRC to troll.
[09:29] <Cybermagellan> Oh ok....just thought I'd ask....cause I figure you would be promoting your own distro instead of talking crap
[09:29] <NSCPR> is ubuntu a real south african dist?
[09:29] <linuxn00b> i0n, which distro?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> Commodore4eva, please leave the channel. You seem to be unable to follow the Ubuntu CoC
[09:29] <i0n_st0rm> linuxn00b: gentoo
[09:29] <linux_galore> linuxn00b: the idea behind Debian and all its derivatives is you install once and thats it......you just edit your sources list every now and again so you keep up_to_date
[09:30] <Cybermagellan> NSCPR, yes....
[09:30] <Commodore4eva> of courseits african look at the folk in here . dont they sound african
[09:30] <Cybermagellan> Ok...
[09:30] <daniels> guys, let's all cut it out, please.
[09:30] <linuxn00b> gentoo, yuck.
[09:30] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[09:30] <linuxn00b> Debian for me..
[09:30] <NSCPR> any1 from UP?
[09:30] <LiberalTugboat> whats funny, Commodore4eva is in here talking smack about ubuntu, but atleast all the lead developers of our distro are health... and development is moving smoothly. Not to menthion they dont just give up on gnome because its "too hard to compile"
[09:30] <i0n_st0rm> i absolutely love gentoo.. but mostly for 2 reasons
[09:30] <linuxn00b> despite being pain in the ass for hardware setup..
[09:30] <linux_galore> linuxn00b: Ubuntu is Debian
[09:30] <i0n_st0rm> the speed you can achieve if done properly is insane..
[09:30] <Commodore4eva> i use debian on my server . ubuntu sound just like a cheap rip off
[09:30] <linuxn00b> Apt-get and synaptic all the way. .:)
[09:31] <i0n_st0rm> but the real thing that has me dreaming of gentoo while using ubuntu is portage
[09:31] <linuxn00b> commodore4eva, try it out..
[09:31] <linuxn00b> then come back..
[09:31] <linuxn00b> seriously, it's the nicest distro out there right now..
[09:31] <Commodore4eva> i know those debian guy are lazy
[09:31] <linuxn00b> fast, and everything pretty much works..
[09:31] <thenuke> Commodore4eva: do you think that every single distro which is based on another distro is just a ripoff then?
[09:31] <linuxn00b> and their forum is one of the best
[09:31] <Commodore4eva> i agree your still doing a better job
[09:31] <EvilIdler> linuxn00b: Actually, he can skip the coming back part, being all-knowing.
[09:31] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: you can always try VLOS...its Gentoo made easy
[09:31] <linuxn00b> heh..
[09:31] <LiberalTugboat> than you daniels
[09:31] <EvilIdler> That's better :)
[09:31] <linux_galore> VLOS - VidaLinux
[09:31] <blizah> question: which fglrx things do i need
[09:31] <Cybermagellan> Ok, he's gone....now to productive things....and thanks Daniels
[09:31] <blizah> none are installed yet
[09:32] <daniels> if we could all leave the distro wars at home, that would be good, thanks
[09:32] <blizah> i have an ati
[09:32] <i0n_st0rm> linux_galore: i think i actually tried that once and something about it wouldn't install right for me.. just my luck :)
[09:32] <gurum0232> well, i am not gonna spend any more time setting up this box... 8 hours~!
[09:32] <EvilIdler> He's been here several times the past few days, only leaving when kicked.
[09:32] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: Well... The performance increases to be had with compiling it yourself are IMO overrated :)
[09:32] <Burgundavia> blizah, with ati, you need the fglrx drivers and little bit of faith
[09:32] <gurum0232> only if I can get double-sided printing working on my Canon IP3000...
[09:32] <blizah> heh so ive heard :D
[09:32] <Arnia> Cybermagellan: Well, its a little more than south african... its quite an amazing mix of nationalities
[09:32] <Burgundavia> blizah, they are not the easiest to install
[09:32] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: only other one thats intresting is Yoper Linux
[09:32] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: if i hadn't seen the difference myself, i would agree
[09:32] <toresbe> blizah: my 9200 works perfectly
[09:32] <blizah> should i get the fglrx ones or xorg fglrx?
[09:32] <Cybermagellan> Amia, yeah I know
[09:32] <cef> interesting.. I'm uploading more on the amd64 torrent than ppc or i386
[09:32] <gurum0232> toresbe, are you using stock driver for the ATI?
[09:32] <EvilIdler> The kernel is where you should notice most difference when compiling it yourself.
[09:32] <Arnia> Cybermagellan: Oh, and inkscape are planning to add 'connectors' support to allow flowcharts to be made easily
[09:32] <toresbe> gurum0232: both
[09:33] <Cybermagellan> Cool, I apreciate the info
[09:33] <toresbe> gurum0232: I use fglrx when I need 3d, and radeon when I work like usual
[09:33] <Burgundavia> blizah, xorg, if you have running hoary
[09:33] <i0n_st0rm> lol.. you want to know something that actually surprised me?
[09:33] <blizah> k i am
[09:33] <gurum0232> toresbe, do you know any good FAQ/HOW? I am running 9100.. and I think driver is buggy (considering the crash under ETF).
[09:33] <EvilIdler> I would expect amd64 architecture to feel less difference from pre-packaged and self-compiled, though, since all the systems currently are very similar.
[09:33] <i0n_st0rm> oh bloody hell.. i'm getting pm's from commodore lol
[09:33] <toresbe> gurum0232: *shrug
[09:33] <toresbe> gurum0232: *shrug* :\
[09:33] <gurum0232> well, amd64 is over-rated..
[09:33] <Cybermagellan> just ignore him
[09:33] <linux_galore> heh heh.....XFree86 is soooo dead
[09:33] <blizah> do i need the dev one also?
[09:33] <toresbe> gurum0232: not at all.
[09:33] <i0n_st0rm> i am
[09:33] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Not really.
[09:34] <Burgundavia> blizah, nope
[09:34] <linux_galore> even FreeBSD now use Xorg
[09:34] <gurum0232> toresbe, i mean how fast is it compared to my AMD XP 2500+?
[09:34] <cef> EvilIdler: yeah well, less configs of amd64 than other systems
[09:34] <gurum0232> on the same clock speed?
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> hmm, I think I should go write a How-To on the forums, How to get controls more playerplug-in
[09:34] <toresbe> gurum0232: on the same clock, faster.
[09:34] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: reproduced on gentoo, but the FIRST time he tried (detached, drop, reattached) it worked fine, then the second time he tries he sees the same issue we have
[09:34] <toresbe> gurum0232:  but an XP64 2500+ in 64bit mode would also be faster on certain tasks.
[09:34] <i0n_st0rm> i was surprised that my dual boot system loads up XP to fully usable faster than ubuntu does
[09:34] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: It's nothing about the speed, although it's faster, but more about more modern architecture.
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> too me a while to figure out but it works now (and they match the desktop theme)
[09:34] <gurum0232> but the question is.. is it really worth paying $$$ premium for some 10% gain..
[09:35] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: logged on?
[09:35] <kisielk> hm
[09:35] <alexsmith> Anyone know why it might take a long time for the hotplug system to start during bootup, yet can ctrl c it, and it still works fine?
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, very odd
[09:35] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: you got that?
[09:35] <linux_galore> be cool if Ununtu would "just work" with a standard out of the box iPOD....it doesnt right now
[09:35] <Arnia> Hum... really need to get some independent testing on this. Who want to try something that makes version control fun! ;)
[09:35] <BazziE> gurum0232 definately yes.
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, yep, I will file the bug
[09:35] <kisielk> for some reason I'm getting "cannot open mouse" when trying to start x
[09:35] <EvilIdler> i0n_st0rm: XP was like that for me on a fresh install..then I started using it a bit :/
[09:35] <gurum0232> heh..
[09:35] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: wouldn't have said fully usable if it wasn't
[09:35] <kisielk> gives me "no such file or directory"
[09:35] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: WXP makes the machine look like it boots faster by putting off loading some libraries later
[09:35] <kisielk> for /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice
[09:35] <kisielk> even though both are there
[09:35] <toresbe> gurum0232: the performance increases aren't important to me, but the increased address range is neat. Also, it's *cold*
[09:35] <i0n_st0rm> EvilIdler: it wasn't nearly faster until i reinstalled.. but i've been using it a while and it's still faster this time
[09:35] <kisielk> and if I tail either one, I get data when I move the mouse around
[09:35] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: i know all about that :)
[09:35] <gurum0232> toresbe, cold as in less heat?
[09:35] <toresbe> gurum0232: I can run it at full load, running cpuburn, with the fan switched off
[09:35] <toresbe> gurum0232: yep
[09:35] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: My AMD64 is clocked the same as my Athlon XP. 80% faster forthe general encoding tasks I do all the time.
[09:36] <linux_galore> toresbe: copying windows.....get the desktop up fast then load everything else later
[09:36] <gurum0232> toresbe, really???
[09:36] <gurum0232> wow..
[09:36] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Running at less than 40 degrees with a bog-standard cheapo fan here :)
[09:36] <kisielk> any ideas?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, where do you figure the bug is then?
[09:36] <toresbe> I run with the AMD thing
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, gtk?
[09:36] <cef> amd64 is much faster on memory manipulation (usually) which is why encoding, decoding and compression/decompression is faster
[09:36] <gurum0232> wow..
[09:36] <gurum0232> yeah.. it's kinda funny how hot cpu's are now days..
[09:36] <gurum0232> :(
[09:37] <gurum0232> I experienced some system instability due to summer coming
[09:37] <EvilIdler> AMD64 on socket 939 also beats Intel on raw memory transfers.
[09:37] <linux_galore> kisielk: one I suspect is a link to the other
[09:37] <Witigonen> Question.  http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html says that Ubuntu has the ntfsresize built in, I was wondering if that was part of the installer - ie, can I non-destructively resize my ntfs partition during the install process?
[09:37] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: And that's just with the reference sink - I wouldn't run it much at a time though :)
[09:37] <kisielk> linux_galore: sure
[09:37] <i0n_st0rm> my windows has certain programs auto-load, so there is a delay until the system is usable after they all load, but after comparing from boot until you're able to freely use it, my XP actually is up and going faster
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: hmmm...
[09:37] <gurum0232> but seriousy, since I have decided to go Linux all the way, I don't think I will upgrade my computer for a long time..
[09:37] <kisielk> linux_galore: but how does that explain the problem?
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: could be gtk
[09:37] <blizah> i have a 9800 pro and glxgears only gives me an fps of 300 right now...ive had warty before it and it was well above taht
[09:37] <jesper> Witigonen: yes you can.
[09:37] <kisielk> linux_galore: and actually they're not linked..
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: need a non-gnome gtk app :)
[09:38] <gurum0232> I mean I can play divx movies with everything turned on, while running bittorrent, and surfing ten different sites, while streaming music..
[09:38] <i0n_st0rm> i was using a radeon 9600 pro.. replaced it with a geforce fx 5700 le
[09:38] <gurum0232> without any slow down..
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: gtk makes more sense :)
[09:38] <gurum0232> :)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, I think the toolbar thing is gnome specific
[09:38] <linux_galore> kisielk: have you looked in xorf.conf  too see what the device path for the mouse is
[09:38] <toresbe> Burgundavia: nope, flux can run gnome toolbar progs
[09:38] <linux_galore> xorg.conf
[09:38] <kisielk> linux_galore: of course, it's set correctly
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: guy/gal on gentoo says there are quite a few detach bugs already filed
[09:39] <sdeppert> does anyone know the command to get flashplayer?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, ok, I will look for them
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, gtk+ has like 900 bugs
[09:39] <linux_galore> kisielk: swap the device path see if it works......could also be a IRQ conflict
[09:39] <toresbe> sdeppert: hold on, I've got an URL here that explains it nicely
[09:39] <blizah> any idea why my fps is so low?...ive installed the xorg fglrx...is there anything else i need to install?
[09:39] <gurum0232> sdeppert, you should be able to download a binary from macromedia..
[09:39] <jesper> sdeppert: it a part of the guide http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:39] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: yikes
[09:39] <sdeppert> ok thanks
[09:39] <kisielk> linux_galore: I have swapped it, doesn't hel
[09:39] <kisielk> help
[09:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167944
[09:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, that seems to be
[09:40] <toresbe> sdeppert: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, is actually bonobo
[09:40] <J0hnni> Little help with grub2? :/
[09:41] <linux_galore> kisielk: this usb or serial
[09:41] <linux_galore> ps2 sorry
[09:41] <linux_galore> both are serial lol
[09:41] <kisielk> I believe it's interpreted as USB
[09:41] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: the workaround mentioned in that bug report is helpful
[09:41] <kisielk> but I'm not sure
[09:41] <i0n_st0rm> serial.. haven't seen one of those in quite a while.. just basic serial, that is
[09:41] <kisielk> it's running under VMWare
[09:41] <kisielk> but it worked before I installed kubuntu..
[09:41] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: well, i'm done bug finding for the night :)
[09:41] <kisielk> though I don't think that should have changed anything
[09:42] <LiberalTugboat> is NVU in universe?
[09:42] <gurum0232> any Asian here running ubuntu? (with Asian language support fully enabled)?
[09:42] <linux_galore> kisielk: I find with some pointer devices it wont work well on the USB port on some machines so I use the USB/PS2 converter and bing it works
[09:42] <linux_galore> bingo*
[09:42] <kisielk> well it's a virtual machine
[09:42] <Dreamer3> well, time to sleep
[09:42] <Dreamer3> night
[09:42] <kisielk> I can't really use a USB->PS2 converter there
[09:42] <kisielk> since there's no physical machine to connect it to :p
[09:43] <i0n_st0rm> ...
[09:43] <i0n_st0rm> umm..
[09:43] <kisielk> the point is, I'm getting data when I cat /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice
[09:43] <toresbe> gurum0232: FWIW I've had Japanese Input running on my Debian box
[09:43] <kisielk> but X is not starting
[09:43] <kisielk> so I doubt it's a hardware problem
[09:43] <i0n_st0rm> with VMWare it's forwarding your physical system's specs to the virtual system
[09:44] <gurum0232> toresbe, working pretty well? what is the best package?
[09:44] <i0n_st0rm> if you switched it to ps/2, it would forward it as such
[09:44] <kisielk> well I don't have any PS/2 port on this machine anyway
[09:44] <gurum0232> I am running scim, but I can't get the short cut to work... :(
[09:45] <toresbe> gurum0232: I used kinput2
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> Hey I have a question about Quanta... does it require kdeinit to be running in the background?
[09:45] <kisielk> and anyway, as I said
[09:45] <kisielk> it was working
[09:45] <toresbe> gurum0232: you have to run the app in a special way
[09:45] <toresbe> gurum0232: with some environment vars set
[09:45] <gurum0232> hmm. special way?
[09:45] <gurum0232> oh... do I have to modify .xsession?
[09:46] <i0n_st0rm> how do you not have a ps/2 but do have usb? funky hehe
[09:46] <toresbe> gurum0232: XIM="@kinput2-xim" LC_CTYPE="ja_JP" or something
[09:46] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: laptops
[09:46] <gurum0232> hmm.. and that'll enable me to use "shift + space" to change input methods? thanks.. :)
[09:46] <Dreamer3> um
[09:46] <Dreamer3> is this 256 readhead, disalbed multi-count really the best optimized hd params?
[09:47] <toresbe> gurum0232: XIM="@im=kinput2" LC_CTYPE="ja_JP" or something
[09:47] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: my bad for not having experience with newer laptops :)
[09:47] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: heh heh :)
[09:48] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: you see any reason to set up a partition scheme beyond the default / and swap?
[09:48] <gurum0232> ah.. love live synapic.. so cool.
[09:48] <sanmarcos>  hmm when I upgraded to apache2, now php+mysql, wont work anymore Call to undefined function: mysql_connect(), I installed php4-mysql, auth-mysql, etc, any ideas? I copied /etc/php4/apache/php.ini to the apache2 dir
[09:48] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: oddly enough, i rarely use synaptic
[09:49] <sanmarcos> what happened to php mysql.. as I see it was compiled with --without mysql
[09:49] <gurum0232> i0n, you should give it a try...
[09:49] <gurum0232> better than doing "apt-cache search xxxx"
[09:49] <i0n_st0rm> i've never done that :)
[09:49] <MyKq3> hello :)
[09:49] <libben> apt-get is for leet users
[09:49] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: nopes
[09:49] <libben> who need frontends
[09:49] <thoreauputic> gurum0232: hmm - apt-cache search is pretty useful and quick...
[09:49] <i0n_st0rm> then again, that's the main reason i prefer gentoo base over debian base on a general rule
[09:49] <gurum0232> hmm... better than getting your system thrashed due to dep. problems.
[09:49] <libben> You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep.
[09:50] <i0n_st0rm> portage is godly
[09:50] <libben> ./exec -o fortune
[09:50] <toresbe> gurum0232: I don't think it is :)
[09:50] <dholbach> morning
[09:50] <i0n_st0rm> apt is good.. but it just doesn't compare
[09:50] <grivell> gurum0232: Tried 'aptitude' ?  It is console, but more powerful then Synaptic right now.
[09:50] <libben> dselect otherwise
[09:50] <MyKq3> does wny of you konw some nice torrent clinent like bitlord (http://www.bitlord.com/) for linux
[09:50] <libben> and there is one more
[09:50] <libben> hmm.
[09:50] <libben> cant remember
[09:50] <libben> to tired
[09:50] <libben> except synaptic
[09:50] <gurum0232> let me put this way: I have been trying out linxu since Debian 0.9... but I only made the switch today..
[09:51] <grivell> libben: apt-get is a front-end though ;)  Leet users download and dpkg -i
[09:51] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: "trying out" since debian 0.9?
[09:51] <gurum0232> bec. of two things: 1. firefox/openoffice 2. all my hardware is now supported and no need recompile kernel 3. synaptic (make that three)
[09:51] <libben> grivell, yeah =) ment GUI ..
[09:51] <libben> to tired
[09:51] <katya> aptitude
[09:51] <libben> been up all nite
[09:51] <fallstorm> MyKq3, not familiar with what you mentioned, but ubuntu comes with a bt client installed, tried gnome bittorrent?
[09:51] <libben> aptitude
[09:51] <gurum0232> I should have made switch much much earlier..
[09:51] <libben> thats the one i was thinking of
[09:51] <gurum0232> basically, I learned nothing since Windows 95..
[09:51] <thoreauputic> grivell: leet users use gcc and debin/rules ;-)
[09:51] <libben> aptitude is great if u dont run x
[09:51] <thoreauputic> *debian
[09:51] <gurum0232> I mean I learned more about PC during DOS days than Windows days.. :(
[09:52] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[09:52] <i0n_st0rm> windows isn't for learning
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: Linux is for people who want to know how it works
[09:52] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: wanna hear something sad?
[09:52] <gurum0232> oh the endless days of reinstalling windows.. and trying to get rid of some virus or spyware...
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: DOS is for people who want to know how it doesn
[09:52] <libben> im of to sleep
[09:52] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: it's for leasrning that you should use Linux ;)
[09:52] <libben> nite
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: DOS is for people who want to know how it doesn't work
[09:52] <sanmarcos>  hmm when I upgraded to apache2, now php+mysql, wont work anymore Call to undefined function: mysql_connect(), I installed php4-mysql, auth-mysql, etc, any ideas? I copied /etc/php4/apache/php.ini to the apache2 dir
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: Windows is for people who don't want to know how it doesn't work
[09:52] <grivell> thoreauputic: lol.  Or a hex editor.  Manually patch to latest version.
[09:52] <i0n_st0rm> thoreauputic: hehe
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: And Mac is for people who don't want to know how it works
[09:53] <toresbe> :)
[09:53] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: what?
[09:53] <gurum0232> toresbe, my next laptop might be an imac...
[09:53] <grivell> toresbe: iBook
[09:53] <toresbe> gurum0232: neat
[09:53] <gurum0232> oh ibook :D
[09:53] <LiberalTugboat> Any suggestions for a good web page editor?
[09:53] <toresbe> LiberalTugboat: emacs ;)
[09:53] <fallstorm> vi
[09:53] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: i've only been really using linux seriously for a couple of weeks, and i still use winxp just as much.. but for some reason i can't stop using ls in windows command prompt
[09:53] <grivell> gurum0232: iBook.  I have G4 12" (1.2 ghz, 512mb, 80 gb hd, radeon 9200 :)
[09:53] <MyKq3> fallstorm,  yeah thets not the problem ... the problem with GnomeTorrent that it have no serch engin
[09:54] <gurum0232> i01, exactly..
[09:54] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: same with me and VMS :)
[09:54] <gurum0232> ls.. cp... it gets all mixed up..
[09:54] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[09:54] <MyKq3> fallstorm, will all the other clinets does
[09:54] <gurum0232> though I really don't like CLI..
[09:54] <i0n_st0rm> ..
[09:54] <fallstorm> BitTorrent clients usually don't have search engines... why not use a torrent search site?
[09:54] <i0n_st0rm> how can you get ls and cp mixed up?
[09:54] <sanmarcos> fuck you guys
[09:54] <i0n_st0rm> sanmarcos: thank you
[09:54] <FreezerX> alias dir='ls -al' :-)
[09:54] <toresbe> sanmarcos: my place or yours? *rrr*
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> toresbe, I dont have time to hand code any more
[09:54] <dazed|> how do i find the path to a directory/app i have no idea where its at?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: for wysiwyg, nvu or mozilla composer
[09:54] <clparker> i just installed Hoary 5.04 final and my resolution is stuck at 640X480 please help!
[09:55] <MyKq3> fallstorm,  its easyer when evry thingy is on the same window
[09:55] <grivell> gurum0232: If you want 3D accel, you might want to get iBook sooner rather than later.  Unless r300.sf.net has made major progress.  Because Radeon 9200 is the last 3D accel card for PPC.
[09:55] <FreezerX> whereis application
[09:55] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: composer is decent
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> yeah those were the two I was looking for
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> but NVU isnt in to repos
[09:55] <gurum0232> grivel, what do you mean?
[09:55] <clparker> i just installed Hoary 5.04 final and my resolution is stuck at 640X480 please help!
[09:55] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: composer is in the moz suite
[09:55] <toresbe> gurum0232: My next laptop is a Thinkpad :)
[09:55] <gurum0232> grivel, Mac won't include 3D cards in later models?
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> can you install composer by itself?
[09:55] <i0n_st0rm> what's really sad is the reason i really want to use linux in the first place (beyond the default lack of love for microsoft and it's ilk)
[09:56] <fallstorm> Well... I don't know of any bt clients period, regardless of platform, that have search engines in their app... if you've found one, cool, but I certainly haven't seen one for Linux
[09:56] <toresbe> gurum0232: It's a 486 though :P
[09:56] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: I doubt it - you get it with mozilla
[09:56] <gurum0232> he..
[09:56] <LiberalTugboat> I was thinking about quanta but WAY to many KDE dependecies
[09:56] <gurum0232> heh..
[09:56] <gurum0232> well, honestly, OSX is beautiful.. I think.
[09:56] <grivell> gurum0232: I was talking about using Linux on iBook.  PPC has no binary ati/nvidia drivers for Linux.
[09:56] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: installing nvu is very easy
[09:56] <toresbe> gurum0232: it is.
[09:56] <clparker> can anybody help me?
[09:56] <clparker> i just installed Hoary 5.04 final and my resolution is stuck at 640X480 please help!
[09:56] <gurum0232> grivell.. true..
[09:56] <LiberalTugboat> do you have any experience with screem or bluefish?
[09:56] <FreezerX> just use eclipse
[09:56] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: see  www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:56] <gurum0232> so 9200 works beautifully?
[09:56] <i0n_st0rm> stuck at 640x480?
[09:56] <toresbe> clparker: sure, what screen card
[09:56] <fallstorm> I like OSX... it's a lot more powerful than I thought it would be
[09:56] <gurum0232> but I want OSX~! it's so well integrated..
[09:57] <toresbe> gurum0232: only prob is that fglrx doesn't have Composite
[09:57] <LiberalTugboat> it doesnt have to be wysiwyg
[09:57] <i0n_st0rm> i imagine it's a simple issue of editing the xorg config
[09:57] <clparker> ATI 9600 Pro
[09:57] <i0n_st0rm> oh god
[09:57] <FreezerX> geppy_, are you still busy with the java-package?
[09:57] <i0n_st0rm> clparker: i'm sorry
[09:57] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: bluefish is nice, and has a preview option
[09:57] <grivell> gurum0232: Yeah, OSX is nice.  I use it sometimes with MOL.  But in general I prefer the Linux apps.
[09:57] <gurum0232> only if we can get working and useable 3d accelearted Desktop..
[09:57] <kakalto> what's kubuntu's default video player?
[09:57] <i0n_st0rm> i hope someone can help clparker there
[09:58] <thoreauputic> totem
[09:58] <fsapo> clparker, did u tried xorgconfig? or fglrxconfig?
[09:58] <i0n_st0rm> i gave up on linux for a while when using a 9600 pro.. that seems to be the one radeon card that linux forgot
[09:58] <kakalto> thoreauputic, I thought that was ubuntu's default
[09:58] <gurum0232> yeah, forget linux with newer stuff.
[09:58] <thoreauputic> kakalto: ah sorry - quite right
[09:58] <gurum0232> since I am poor. it
[09:58] <sataere> fallstorm, mldonkey uses torrents and has a search engine http://www.nongnu.org/mldonkey/
[09:58] <gurum0232> it's just fine for me..
[09:58] <dazed|> what does this error in this screen shot mean it told me to contact dist support http://xull.org/img/040905-1113033513-gkrellShoot_04-09-05_025711.jpg
[09:59] <FreezerX> should i give linux a try for my EAX800XT/2DT and A8V-E deluxe?
[09:59] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: that's not necessarily true.. linux is just great with 9500, 9700, and 9800.. but for some reason, they seem to have forgotten that the 9600 exists
[09:59] <fallstorm> hmm, cool
[09:59] <fallstorm> but don't apps with integrated search engines limit what you can find?
[10:00] <gurum0232> i0n, here is what I have learned... better to go to Ebay and get a cheap/supported hardware than trying to get some obscure hardware to work with linux.... just not worth your sleep and lost hair.
[10:00] <vague> hi
[10:00] <catalin> hello
[10:00] <synan> hey
[10:00] <synan> all
[10:00] <catalin> is any dc++ for ubuntu?
[10:00] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: that's a yes and no situation
[10:00] <vague> can anybody help me with turboprint?
[10:00] <dazed|> what does this error in this screen shot mean it told me to contact dist support http://xull.org/img/040905-1113033513-gkrellShoot_04-09-05_025711.jpg ???
[10:00] <tott> hm.. can i acces files on my ntfs disk? ??
[10:00] <i0n_st0rm> then again, i'm american and get all of my parts from the same distributor
[10:00] <i0n_st0rm> tott: yup
[10:01] <i0n_st0rm> you just have to mount it
[10:01] <gurum0232> tott.. yes
[10:01] <grivell> I can't believe how many people still use Windows 98.  Then expect drivers to work for new USB devices they buy.  I had a hell of a time finding a USB storage driver for one co-worker.  If she just went Linux, it would be so much easier on her.
[10:01] <tott> how?
[10:01] <catalin> is any dc++ for ubuntu?
[10:01] <Enspyron> I have installed php, apache 2 packages and everything associated with it by synaptic, but when I try to search for the config files I can't find them (I can't find any file that has php in it's name with the search function) So, where can I find packages I just installed?
[10:01] <gurum0232> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:01] <gurum0232> got everything you would want to know.
[10:01] <jesper> catalin: you can get all the programs you want using apt-get :-)
[10:01] <dazed|> what does this error in this screen shot mean it told me to contact dist support http://xull.org/img/040905-1113033513-gkrellShoot_04-09-05_025711.jpg ???
[10:01] <fallstorm> I have a friend that swears by Win98... she hates XP and isn't fond of 2000
[10:01] <FreezerX> /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini?
[10:01] <sataere> catalin, there is a great equivalents guide here between winblows and linux http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[10:02] <vague> hm.?
[10:02] <fallstorm> I asked her to explain her reasoning, and she said she was just comfortable with it and knew more about how it worked than any other OS
[10:02] <i0n_st0rm> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[10:02] <J0hnni> I have to harddisks, 1 for Ubuntu and other for XP. XP is slave now. How should I add it to grub2's list?!!
[10:02] <J0hnni> *two
[10:02] <vague> nobody who has a canon printer?
[10:02] <catalin> using apt-get how?
[10:02] <i0n_st0rm> yes, i occasionally cater to the lazy
[10:02] <gurum0232> catalin, here~!
[10:02] <gurum0232> IP3000..
[10:02] <gurum0232> works mostly with Ubuntu...
[10:02] <catalin> ?
[10:02] <jesper> catalin: or synaptic
[10:02] <grivell> fallstorm: 98 is so buggy though.  XP is at least somewhat stable.  But my co-worker doesn't have enough system for that ;)
[10:02] <vague> i have a ip1500 and i need a driver :(
[10:02] <gurum0232> catin, have you tried linuxprinting?
[10:03] <dazed|> can anyone help me!!!!!!
[10:03] <vague> what should i do gurum?
[10:03] <catalin> jesper can you show me step by step please
[10:03] <sataere> grivell, but a lot of people who use winblows do so for gaming, and 98 uses a lot less resources than XP, so better for such purposes
[10:03] <i0n_st0rm> hmm
[10:03] <fallstorm> Hehe, that's what I told my friend... I also tried to get her to attempt Linux, but she thinks it's too complex
[10:03] <dazed|> what does this error in this screen shot mean it told me to contact dist support http://xull.org/img/040905-1113033513-gkrellShoot_04-09-05_025711.jpg ???
[10:03] <Enspyron> thx, I have found php.ini. But why couldn't the search function find it in the first place?
[10:03] <Enspyron> and where is httpd.ini
[10:03] <i0n_st0rm> has anyone done a fresh hoarty install and had problems installing anything like mplayer-386?
[10:03] <gurum0232> vague: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[10:04] <J0hnni> Any help with grub2?!
[10:04] <FreezerX> Enspyron, you mean httpd.conf
[10:04] <jesper> catalin: what program are you looking for?
[10:04] <Enspyron> yeah
[10:04] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, mplayer packages never work
[10:04] <dazed|> i wish someone would help me
[10:04] <daniels> dazed|: run 'killall esd'
[10:04] <i0n_st0rm> ah ok then
[10:04] <catalin> dc++
[10:04] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:04] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, compile from the source
[10:04] <i0n_st0rm> hmm..
[10:04] <milli> i0n_st0rm: no, not after uncommenting the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to include universe and multiverse
[10:04] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: or install xine-ui
[10:04] <catalin> jesper i am a begeiner
[10:04] <dazed|> thanks
[10:05] <i0n_st0rm> milli: been there, done that :) still doesn't work
[10:05] <jesper> catalin: no.. what program are you looking for at dc++ , then we'll find a linux substitute for you.
[10:05] <i0n_st0rm> that's willy, isn't it lol
[10:05] <i0n_st0rm> willi
[10:05] <vague> but there's nothing about ip1500 canon driver. or other orinter driver
[10:05] <i0n_st0rm> sheesh.. i'm going to stop typing since i obviously can't anymore
[10:05] <catalin> i dont get it yet
[10:05] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, just download the essential codec pack and compile mplayer, works like a charm
[10:05] <gurum0232> Does anyone know how to get C header files for my kernel? I tried getting all the nec. stuff from Synaptic but no go.
[10:05] <dazed|> daniels: how do i get esd back when i want to run sound again?
[10:05] <J0hnni> Doesn't anyone know about grub2?
[10:06] <gurum0232> vague, I am sure turbuprint supports the printer..
[10:06] <vague> but turboprint costs 30euro :(
[10:06] <sataere> gurum0232, I believe that's the libc6-dev package you're looking for
[10:06] <vague> is there no other solution?
[10:06] <gurum0232> vague, you can use it as a shareware..in draft mode..
[10:06] <FreezerX> while mplayer is still available...
[10:06] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: which mplayer should i get the source for?
[10:06] <jesper> catalin: Linux-people generally don't use stuff like dc++, since we have all the programs for free anyway. (both gratis and free)
[10:06] <daniels> dazed|: should just start automatically
[10:06] <i0n_st0rm> hrm.. that reminds me.. i haven't installed the proper kernel yet
[10:07] <dazed|> well in gaim it doesnt play sound now
[10:07] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Not entirely sure what you mean...the CVS mplayer.  O.o
[10:07] <dazed|> when i ran it up
[10:07] <synan_> im low on debian knowledge, is there a way to update package lists on a networkless computer? like d/l it somewhere else?
[10:07] <catalin> jesper i am in a network very big
[10:07] <gurum0232> catalin, if you want warez (I do not condone this...cough cough), just use bittorrent
[10:07] <catalin> and i want to see a movie somtime
[10:07] <vague> but i have a colour printer. and for that i need a normal version or the turboprint driver will put an ugly logo an every site :(
[10:07] <i0n_st0rm> is there any reason to actually use the linux-k7 package to install the k7 kernel?
[10:07] <Arnia> catalin: Why aren't you using gnome-bittorrent?
[10:08] <catalin> because i dont know sires
[10:08] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, of course not, compile from the source
[10:08] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:08] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, :)
[10:08] <i0n_st0rm> your answer for everything, huh? :p
[10:08] <J0hnni> I have two harddrives, master has Ubuntu and the slave has Windows XP SP2. How can I make multiboot with grub2???
[10:08] <Arnia> catalin: sires?
[10:08] <catalin> we dont have so much sites to take for
[10:08] <GhostFreeman> How can i invert colors on an image in GIMP
[10:08] <catalin> sites
[10:08] <catalin> sorry
[10:08] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: careful.. i'm going to start thinking you're a gentoo fan
[10:08] <J0hnni> I have two harddrives, master has Ubuntu and the slave has Windows XP SP2. How can I make multiboot with grub2???
[10:08] <jesper> catalin: apt-get install dcgui
[10:08] <bob2> J0hnni: will windows actually boot like that at all?
[10:08] <gurum0232> vague, best advice, next time before getting a new hardware, make sure it works with linux
[10:08] <catalin> and then?
[10:09] <blizah> hoary uses alsa sound right?
[10:09] <Arnia> catalin: So are you looking for torrents or for another method?
[10:09] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Hey man, I used to use Fedora.  Nothing compiles on Fedora at all, it's broken to hell.  Ubuntu is most beautiful for compiling, works every time.  :)
[10:09] <J0hnni> Ofcourse, when change the boot order from BIOS
[10:09] <J0hnni> *when I
[10:09] <jesper> start it.
[10:09] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:09] <vague> but what wehn the hardware was there first?
[10:09] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, I am a gentoo fan, but I can't live without apt
[10:09] <jirwin> hello
[10:09] <synan> anyone? im low on debian knowledge, is there a way to update package lists on a networkless computer?
[10:09] <J0hnni> And it should be possible :P
[10:09] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: i'm a gentoo fan and portage > apt
[10:09] <vague> and windows is only one bis virus
[10:09] <vague> big
[10:09] <jesper> sataere: emerge apt-get.. then :-)
[10:09] <jirwin> is there any iTunes like media players available?
[10:09] <i0n_st0rm> it's the 3 day installation that may or may not work for me that has me on ubuntu right now
[10:09] <blizah> hoary = ALSO?
[10:09] <blizah> ALSA
[10:10] <gurum0232> vague, well, since you managed to get to IRC chan, you probably have enough comp. experience to figure it out.. it takes time ane effort. :(
[10:10] <i0n_st0rm> blizah: ?
[10:10] <dazed|> has anyone experienced problems with computer locking up RANDOMLY on hoary?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> jirwin: rhythmbox, amarok...
[10:10] <dazed|> locking up tot he point u have to reboot by hand?
[10:10] <bob2> J0hnni: are you sure it's possible?  windows is rather picky about that sort of thing.
[10:10] <FreezerX> jirwin, xmms?
[10:10] <gurum0232> dazed, try memtest and prime95 and cpu burn in..
[10:10] <vague> oh :(
[10:10] <jesper> dazed|: thats usually hardware problems.. have you tried memtest86 ?
[10:10] <synan> can i update packages by d/l it somewhere else, pls anyone?
[10:10] <jirwin> FreezerX, I think of xmms more like winamp
[10:10] <catalin> jesper look what hapenns:cikilin@10:~ $ apt-get install dcgui
[10:10] <catalin> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[10:10] <catalin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[10:10] <catalin> cikilin@10:~ $ sudo apt-get install dcgui
[10:10] <catalin> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:10] <catalin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:10] <vague> ok. thank you and byebye. i'll try my best
[10:10] <catalin> cikilin@10:~ $
[10:11] <dazed|> jesper, no i havent when i run memtest86 will it walk me through what i need to do?
[10:11] <i0n_st0rm> catalin: close synaptic and try again
[10:11] <jirwin> nevermind though thank you :)
[10:11] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, careful I'm thinking of switching to gentoo, you might just convinve me ;)
[10:11] <jesper> catalin: sudo apt-get install dcgui
[10:11] <catalin> k
[10:11] <thoreauputic> catalin: please don't flood the channel
[10:11] <blizah> i0n_st0rm, does houar use open sound system (oss) or advanced linux sound architecture (alsa)?
[10:11] <blizah> hoary
[10:11] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: if you can get it to work, i would personally recommend it.. i do prefer gentoo, but simply can't deal with the frustration it gives me
[10:11] <J0hnni> bob2, I have heard it should be possible. If it's not, what shall I do then??
[10:11] <synan> can i update packages by d/l it somewhere else, pls anyone?
[10:11] <catalin> jesper i ve done and it sais k
[10:11] <synan> (nag)
[10:12] <catalin> now............?
[10:12] <kakalto> how do I watch dvd's?
[10:12] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, what frustration is that?
[10:12] <bob2> J0hnni: no idea, I don't use windows
[10:12] <i0n_st0rm> blizah: alsa is working great by default on mine
[10:12] <kakalto> what package do I need?
[10:12] <Seveas> synan, yes you can
[10:12] <synan> Seveas, any urls for reading?
[10:12] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: for some reason the dozen times i tried to get gentoo working right, i screwed something up :) i'm good like that
[10:12] <blizah> so hoary uses alsa?...thats what im woundering
[10:12] <catalin> jesper : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:12] <catalin>   dcgui: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.90) but 2.8.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:12] <Seveas> synan, what exactly do you want to do?
[10:12] <kakalto> what's teh replacement for libdvdcss2?
[10:13] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: You can of course download binaries as a base which kills the whole compile time.  I myself was experimenting with Gentoo on a USB HD.  It messed up a week or so ago after I added 'readline' to USES and emerge --newuse -uD world.  bash would segfault, etc.  So I'm on Ubuntu with the usb hd now.  And Debian as the base.
[10:13] <i0n_st0rm> blizah: the answer is yes.. sorry, i'm wordy
[10:13] <blizah> hehe k
[10:13] <blizah> tnx
[10:13] <FreezerX> How can I check if dma is enable. I am copying a large file from cdrom to hd, and everything is much slower
[10:13] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, hehe, that's really not hard when you compile everything from source :)
[10:13] <synan> Seveas, i have a networkless comp that i would like to keep updated by d/l stuff s/w else.. low on deb knowledge, how does it work?
[10:13] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: the sad part is, i even tried to do a binary install to save time, with the intent of doing a rebuild world.. and somehow still screwed it up
[10:13] <synan> Seveas, im a slacker, we havent got such things.. =)
[10:13] <dazed|> jesper, no i havent when i run memtest86 will it walk me through what i need to do?
[10:13] <jesper> catalin: try sudo apt-get update
[10:13] <Seveas> FreezerX, sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda (or your harddisks device)
[10:13] <jesper> first
[10:14] <catalin> i ve done in the morning
[10:14] <Seveas> synan, you can manually dowload packages from the archive
[10:14] <Seveas> and use dpkg -i to install them
[10:14] <jesper> dazed|: it's install in lilo or grub so you can choose it at bootup
[10:14] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Hey have you used Debian at all?  I've really been wondering how Debian compares to Gentoo.  I love Ubuntu's community, but it feels a little restrictive for me and I really am thinking of switching over to Gentoo or Debian.
[10:14] <dazed|> jesper, just run it and it should fix it?
[10:14] <gurum0232> does anyone know which directory has C header files for my kernel?
[10:14] <synan> Seveas, how can i update the list whats in the d/l pool?
[10:14] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: it's what i had on my slave drive before ubuntu
[10:14] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: Yeah.  I think Gentoo is for people who don't value their time.  Nice in theory, if we all had 30 GHz systems.
[10:14] <Seveas> sataere, the Ubuntu community is not restrictive :)
[10:15] <jesper> dazed|: no it's tell you if you "ram" it br0ken
[10:15] <jesper> is
[10:15] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: it's not as bad as you think
[10:15] <Seveas> synan, download the dists/hoary/packages file and place them in the correct location on your system
[10:15] <dazed|> oh and if its not then the freezing will continue?
[10:15] <catalin> jesper what can i do for dc++?
[10:15] <sataere> Seveas, Sorry, I didnt mean that.  I love the Ubuntu community, but Ubuntu itself feels restrictive.
[10:15] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: if you do a full binary install and rebuild world to recompile everything custom, you can get the same effect while having the system working
[10:15] <Seveas> sataere, in what way?
[10:15] <seven_six_two> anyone seen a bittorrent configurator?
[10:16] <jesper> catalin: I have never used dc so .. I guess I'm out of luck :-)
[10:16] <gurum0232> seven, try bitt tornado
[10:16] <catalin> k
[10:16] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: if you know linux enough to get gentoo working, i recommend it over debian as my personal choice
[10:16] <kakalto> how do I get libdvdcss2 on hoary?
[10:16] <seven_six_two> i could, but i'm almost done the iso
[10:16] <grivell> sataere: Debian is Ubuntu's base.  It lacks Xorg and KDE 3.4 (in unstable).  But it isn't bad if you have patience for apps to come in.
[10:16] <seven_six_two> you know the port for it? 1863?
[10:16] <Seveas> kakalto, use marillat's repository
[10:16] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: the speed i was able to get out of a custom compile'd environment through gentoo, plus the power of portage.. has me a gentoo fan for life
[10:16] <sataere> Seveas, well given the fact that the installer barely asked for a name and password and nothing else (and consequently was severely broken in being able to detect my network), I had to work hard to get around the easy user interface
[10:17] <dazed|> what if none of my ram is broken jesper?
[10:17] <Pol_> Hello guys
[10:17] <gurum0232> dazedl, did you try memtest?
[10:17] <Pol_> what's the difference between the last RC and the final release ?
[10:17] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: Yes, but that speed you get is cut down to nothing when GCC is 99% cpu ;)
[10:17] <i0n_st0rm> Pol_: last minute bug fixes? :)
[10:17] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:17] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: that's entirely beside the point ;)
[10:18] <Pol_> i0n_st0rm: there is a changelog somewhere?
[10:18] <sataere> grivell, Oh I like Ubuntu a lot (after Fedora, who wouldn't?)  It works well, and does amazing things without me having to tell it to do anything, but I would very much like to be able to tell it to do exactly what I want, which I don't feel able to do.
[10:18] <i0n_st0rm> Pol_: haven't a clue :)
[10:18] <jefis> I have too sound cards, and via, and cmi, primary is via, how to change to cmi????????
[10:18] <Pol_> ok
[10:18] <kakalto> Seveas, thanks
[10:18] <grivell> sataere: What you want it to do?
[10:18] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: what you want is gentoo, but i wish you alot of luck and patience
[10:18] <gurum0232> jefis, the easiest would be disable one of your sound cards..
[10:19] <thoreauputic> sataere: in those respects debian and ubuntu are virtually identical
[10:19] <jefis> i don't want to disable
[10:19] <tott> anyone got time to help me mount a disk?
[10:19] <i0n_st0rm> actually.. i'm very tempted to go get the latest gentoo cd and try again.. not like i can't go back to ubuntu in 20 minutes
[10:19] <gurum0232> tott, did you read the guide?
[10:19] <tott> didnt find it.
[10:19] <thoreauputic> sataere: there's a "debian way" for most things
[10:19] <sataere> grivell, For starters I'd like to compile out all the things I don't need in the kernel.  Ubuntu seems to frown upon that.
[10:19] <jefis> anyone know ?????????
[10:19] <gurum0232> mott, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:19] <gurum0232> it's there..
[10:19] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: in the way that you are meaning, ubuntu = debian
[10:20] <gurum0232> ubuntu = debian + hardware detection + unified GUI
[10:20] <sataere> i0n_st0rm thoreauputic, Ah, I see.
[10:20] <grivell> sataere: The startup scripts frown on it?  I have it in a chroot so I've never booted it.
[10:20] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: what you want is gentoo with the use flags
[10:20] <tott> ok thanks
[10:20] <thoreauputic> sataere: there's a "debian way" for kernel compiles, too
[10:20] <ziabice> re all
[10:20] <i0n_st0rm> there is.. you *can* do everything in debian/ubuntu as you can in gentoo
[10:21] <i0n_st0rm> it's just alot easier in gentoo
[10:21] <i0n_st0rm> because it's default
[10:21] <jefis> I have too sound cards, and via, and cmi, primary is via, how to change to cmi????????
[10:21] <i0n_st0rm> *blink* what on earth is cmi?
[10:21] <jefis> soundcard :)
[10:22] <ziabice> jefis: if you use alsa you can refer to it using hw:1,0
[10:22] <gurum0232> Has anyone successfully installed VMware on hoary?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> jefis: blacklist via in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:22] <ziabice> jefis: or something like that
[10:22] <sataere> grivell, No grub is generally good about new kernels (first thing I did was replace the 386 kernel with the 686), but I don't get the general impression that Ubuntu is really set up to be customized.  Most of the administration tools are oversimplified, etc...
[10:22] <ziabice> jefis: what program are you using?
[10:22] <jefis> alsa
[10:22] <daniels> sataere: what in particular can't be customised?
[10:22] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: one thing you'll have fun with in gentoo is that you have to set up grub by hand.. i've not seen it auto-detect/update anything
[10:22] <i0n_st0rm> not that it's hard, mind you
[10:23] <thoreauputic> sataere: the under-the-hood admin tools are mostly dpkg tools
[10:23] <i0n_st0rm> you simply have to KNOW your system if you try gentoo
[10:23] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: Well, USES is for losing features.  What if you need them later?  The compile flags can be dangerous for some apps above -O2, and most packages override the compiler options you specify.  So speed gain is virtually nothing.  And storage space is terrible since you must keep what would be -dev in Debian/Ubuntu.
[10:23] <Witigonen> Hey all.  So, when I boot up, my mouse - my builtin touchpad on my laptop - doesn't work.  Any ideas?
[10:23] <sataere> daniels, Anything can be customized, but the way things are set up doesn't make me feel very encouraged to do so.
[10:24] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: i disagree about the speed gain being virtually nill, and it's not for *losing* features, it's for opting out things that you simply have no use for
[10:24] <grivell> sataere: apt-get kernel-sources-2.6.11 (if it is in ubuntu.  Haven't looked).
[10:24] <i0n_st0rm> and you don't have to keep it
[10:24] <i0n_st0rm> though i do understand what you mean
[10:25] <sataere> grivell, I have them...I'm not disagreeing that there are ways to do what I want, I am just saying I don't feel like the setup provides any help in doing so.
[10:25] <synan> Seveas, um... sorry to bother you again, i dont know if its me or the ubuntu web site, but i cant seem to find the d/l locations, like ftp or such.. any help? =)
[10:25] <titoxx69> hi
[10:26] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: if you want ultimate control (at ultimate risk), go gentoo
[10:26] <i0n_st0rm> otherwise deal with learning the way in ubuntu
[10:26] <woodwizzle> How do i install fonts in ubuntu
[10:26] <fallstorm> or LFS
[10:26] <fallstorm> :P
[10:26] <i0n_st0rm> lol@lfs
[10:26] <grivell> sataere: I don't do it the Debian/Ubuntu way.  I just make menuconfig; make ; make modules_install ; cp vmlinuz /boot/kernel-2.6.11 ; nano -w /etc/yaboot.conf ; ybin -v  :)  It is a pain, but I don't update kernel too much.
[10:26] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Hehe, I've never been one to heed warnings of risk
[10:26] <i0n_st0rm> that's just asking for punishment :)
[10:28] <grivell> sataere: I agree with i0n_st0rm.  You want Gentoo :-P
[10:28] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:28] <sataere> grivell, Yes, but I like my environment to have that sort of functionality from the ground up.
[10:28] <sataere> Heh
[10:28] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: in time, all realize that agreeing with me is usually best
[10:28] <sataere> lol
[10:28] <i0n_st0rm> i try not to open my mouth unless i know i'm right ;)
[10:29] <Fator_Dee> hmm, it seems I killed something important, I can't right-click on my desktop to open the dialog :-\
[10:29] <i0n_st0rm> of course i end up making a fool of myself on occasion, but for the most part, i end up looking much smarter than i am
[10:29] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: I try not to know I'm right unless I open my mouth ;)
[10:29] <Fator_Dee> does somebody know what program I'm missing?
[10:29] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: ..
[10:29] <gurum0232> so no one using vmware?
[10:29] <gurum0232> what is the best virtualization environment to run Windows 2000?
[10:29] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: vmware in... windows?
[10:29] <bob2> Fator_Dee: log out and back in again
[10:29] <gurum0232> no. vmware in linux
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> then no ;)
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> bob2: too much trouble :-/
[10:30] <gurum0232> Trying to get Internet Explorer + directx + activeX in Linux..
[10:30] <gurum0232> :)
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> though i think i have a linux version of vmware around here somewhere
[10:30] <hasanudin> heloo
[10:30] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Can you tell me what gentoo means by a semi-compiled state for its stage2 install?
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> i know i have 3 windows versions
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:30] <thoreauputic> gurum0232: yuk
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: welcome to hell
[10:30] <gurum0232> so many websites not working under linux/firefox :(
[10:30] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, lmao
[10:30] <gurum0232> thoreauputic, i know..
[10:30] <Lu-> i need help, my internet not work, i'm useing 4 port ethernet adsl modem (no usb). "second computer with windows work"
[10:30] <Arnia> gurum0232: Someone has packaged IE up in Wine
[10:31] <gurum0232> arnia, tried it already..
[10:31] <imsdle> im trying to install xfce but frezes on 0% [Waiting for headers] 
[10:31] <hasanudin> i can mount manally, buat cant mount network in nautilus browser
[10:31] <gurum0232> arnia, but it doesn't load video streaming..
[10:31] <gurum0232> :)
[10:31] <hasanudin> any can help me ?
[10:31] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Hey, I was thinking of doing linux from scratch.  I consider Gentoo the easy way out.  :)
[10:31] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: I've seen very few IE-only pages..our use of the web might be different, though
[10:31] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: stage 1 = you compile kernel.. bootstrap.. stage 2 = barest of system is already done for you with base line optimization for your platform.. stage 3 = you just compile the kernel and apps.. system is done for you
[10:31] <EvilIdler> Even my bank recommends Opera over IE
[10:31] <ziabice> excuse me...
[10:31] <gurum0232> evilidler, one of my hobbies is watching Internet TV.. but most of them only support IE..
[10:31] <DaviX> I dont like opera.
[10:32] <ziabice> I've found how to let alsa work in amd64 chroot
[10:32] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Perhaps the MPlayer pages have something about bypassing the need for a browser there?
[10:32] <ziabice> where I must write it?
[10:32] <fallstorm> I'm not an Opera fan either, but I like OmniWeb on my Mac
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> bob2: didn't help
[10:32] <hasanudin> i can mount manually, buat cant mount network in nautilus browser (uBuntu 5.04). any body can help me?
[10:32] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, cool.  :D
[10:32] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: my suggestion to you.. do a stage 3 with grp, then redo it from the ground up after your system is config'd and working
[10:32] <linuxboy> i have an apt-proxy running on my debian box. But i upgraded my warty box to hoary... and apt-proxy breaks
[10:32] <EvilIdler> Opera is my preferred browser.
[10:32] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Not stage1?
[10:32] <gurum0232> yes.... the thing is the website I need to visit requires SSL authentication using IE..
[10:32] <gurum0232> Firefox is my love
[10:32] <i0n_st0rm> if you do a stage 3 with binary/grp, you can go back and re-compile your whole system from the ground up with the optimizations and settings you want
[10:33] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Try googling for auth scripts. I think I saw something like that as a plugin for Firefox
[10:33] <dholbach> people should compile NEW packages for everyone, not the same ones over and over again ;-))
[10:33] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: if you do a stage1 and compile everything from downloaded portage, be ready for a 3 day installation to get everything up to kde and ooo working
[10:33] <gurum0232> evilidler, but I doubt it would work with this site... it's pretty wincentric.. :D but thanks.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> I've had firefox up now for literally weeks, about 25 tabs open at a time, not a single crash yet: i'm impressed
[10:34] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Ah.  I see.  They said it would take a long time, but I thought that was in the region of two hours.  :(
[10:34] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: I've had even Opera authenticating with tricky remote-desktop auths at a school, but I can't remember any of it now :P
[10:34] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:34] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: 2 hours? you're not going to get it done in 2 hours from stage 3 with all binaries
[10:34] <hasanudin> any body help me ? :(
[10:35] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, :((
[10:35] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: gentoo installation is for someone with one hell of alot of time on their hands
[10:35] <gurum0232> my biggest gripe about linux.. not being able to remember how I fixed a certain thing.
[10:35] <fallstorm> I never got a working Gentoo install
[10:35] <gurum0232> I mean who would be able to remember firewall settings..
[10:35] <i0n_st0rm> that's why i'm sitting here in ubuntu
[10:35] <i0n_st0rm> i booted up the hoary release cd
[10:35] <fallstorm> Always have some little problem and then I'd get impatient/bored with it and move on
[10:35] <i0n_st0rm> 20 minutes later i was in here
[10:35] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Well, I have been feeling particularly bored as of late.  Things in Ubuntu are so easy (except the damned install which is too easy)
[10:35] <EvilIdler> Just compiling X can take all day on some systems, and compiling the kernel with all modules can take an hour
[10:35] <sataere> :)
[10:35] <thoreauputic> gurum0232: there's thi sgreat app called "pencil and paper" *grin*
[10:36] <gurum0232> heh
[10:36] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: well.. my recommendation to you is split your drive and keep a small ubuntu setup.. and install gentoo from in ubuntu
[10:36] <Lu-> i have internet problem
[10:36] <Lu-> i think dns not work
[10:36] <gurum0232> but with Ubuntu, I don't think I need pen+paper
[10:36] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: at least you can chat with us to keep yourself from falling asleep during those 4 hour compiles
[10:36] <emitrax> hey guys
[10:37] <Arnia> gurum0232: I eliminated pen and paper using Tomboy ;)
[10:37] <emitrax> did you know about this http://www.messinalug.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=993
[10:37] <jefis> anyone knows, how to make 100hz ?
[10:37] <fallstorm> Lu-, in your web browser go to http://82.211.81.130
[10:37] <i0n_st0rm> 100hz?
[10:37] <fallstorm> And tell us what happens
[10:37] <thoreauputic> gurum0232: I have a file called  rememberthis.txt
[10:37] <jefis> My monitors works well with 1024x768@100hz at windows
[10:37] <woodwizzle> Can anyone please point me in the right direction as to where to install fonts?
[10:37] <i0n_st0rm> oh
[10:37] <jefis> in linux maximum is 85hz
[10:37] <gurum0232> i mean I use linux for fun.. I don't want to take notes..
[10:38] <gurum0232> jefis, would you really need that extra 15hz?
[10:38] <i0n_st0rm> jefis: you need to manually edit your xorg config file and give it the exact vertical and horizontal sync on your monitor
[10:38] <gurum0232> i mean from 60 -> 85 is mandatory..but after that, you won't notice it.
[10:38] <jefis> ok :)
[10:38] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: if he's an fps gamer, then yes, he needs the 15hz
[10:38] <jefis> :D
[10:38] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, right now I have / on a 10 gig partition and /home on a 20 gig partition, I was planning on just wiping / :(
[10:38] <i0n_st0rm> ;)
[10:39] <jefis> i0n_st0rm: what you know fps in linux?
[10:39] <toresbe> jefis: just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:39] <jefis> ;)
[10:39] <jefis> ok
[10:39] <toresbe> jefis: it's got stuff like "Horiz" and "Vert"
[10:39] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: i just have a 20GB slave drive that i put linux on
[10:39] <gurum0232> hmm..anyone ever tried vmware? what is the best guest OS under linux?
[10:39] <i0n_st0rm> jefis: to be honest? not a great deal.. but i'm an fps gamer so i know the need
[10:39] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Ah, but you have the advantage of not having a laptop.  :)
[10:40] <daven> gurum0232: i have ubuntu as a guest ;-)
[10:40] <gurum0232> well, I have an LCD monitor...so 75 is fine for me..
[10:40] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: on a laptop i would either go one os or another ;)
[10:40] <gurum0232> daven, really? under vmware?
[10:40] <toresbe> jefis: If you have your monitor manual, you can get the specs from there :)
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> how can I edit the "Applications -> Debian" menu on hoary? for some reason I have 2 instances of every program in there.
[10:40] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, That's what I had planned.
[10:40] <daven> gurum0232: and win2k, debian (not quite working yet), rhel3 and suse9.2
[10:40] <toresbe> Fator_Dee: that's odd.
[10:40] <gurum0232> ah the joys of tweaking Xconfig...yuck.
[10:40] <daven> gurum0232: fedora wouldn't work for me
[10:40] <gurum0232> daven, what is your host OS?
[10:40] <Arnia> Fator_Dee: Have you used the debian repositories?
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> marillat yes
[10:40] <jefis> i0n_st0rm: that 85hz is hurting my eyes
[10:41] <daven> gurum0232: my host os in winxp, but i don't see why it should be worse on linux?
[10:41] <drbombay43> yellow to all, is anyone using kernel 2.6.11-1 k7
[10:41] <daven> gurum0232: sorry, you're right - didn't quite answer the question you asked ;-)
[10:41] <gurum0232> jefis, heh... i mean then how would able to watch TV? that's got super low refresh rate.
[10:41] <i0n_st0rm> jefis: shut it.. 85hz is the best i can get, and that's at 800x600.. i'm sitting here staring at 1024x768@60hz
[10:41] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: because watching tv is very different from fps gaming
[10:41] <jefis> gurum0232: i don't watch tv :)
[10:41] <gurum0232> i0n, damn... man, 17 inch monitor costs like $50..
[10:42] <Smeven> does flash plugin or mplayer plugin work on amd64 yet?
[10:42] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: splendid! care to donate me a $50 17" monitor?
[10:42] <gurum0232> i mean I 've playing FPS exclusively on Xbox/gamecube... fine for me and my friends.
[10:42] <gurum0232> i0n, I would except shipping would be like another $50.
[10:42] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: that's not fps gaming
[10:42] <gurum0232> I have like four 17 monitors in my house... all from thrift sops.
[10:42] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: hehe.. ok then just donate the $50 and i'll find the monitor :-p
[10:42] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:43] <jefis> ;)
[10:43] <toresbe> I need to set up a kickass xinerama setup
[10:43] <i0n_st0rm> i've got another 15" around here somewhere, but this one's better quality
[10:43] <gurum0232> dave, i cn.. so is it useable?
[10:43] <i0n_st0rm> money seems to dislike me
[10:43] <toresbe> I have access to about 70 19"'ers in storage
[10:43] <i0n_st0rm> it never gathers in large numbers in my wallet
[10:43] <i0n_st0rm> of course having a job might fix that..
[10:43] <gurum0232> everyone who needs a new monitor go bet toresbe.
[10:43] <Arnia> toresbe: Build a video wall
[10:43] <daven> gurum0232: yeah, pretty fine (2GHz laptop with 2GB RAM)
[10:43] <gurum0232> but seriously, CRT suck energy..
[10:43] <gurum0232> 2gb ram.. damn. Only 512MB here.
[10:43] <daven> gurum0232: i reckon you'd want getting on for a gig of ram for the host and a guest
[10:44] <i0n_st0rm> what's wrong with CRT? :-p
[10:44] <daven> gurum0232: i reckon 512 would be a bit tight :-s  would depend on your host os i guess
[10:44] <gurum0232> also, CRT -> radiation -> it has been documented that CRT users have higher chance of having daughers over sons.
[10:44] <i0n_st0rm> an lcd monitor that is fps-friendly is not nice to the wallet
[10:44] <toresbe> Arnia: I was thinking about doing a 180-degree one
[10:44] <daven> gurum0232: download the eval and try it out?
[10:44] <gurum0232> daven, yes.. definitely.
[10:44] <Arnia> i0n_st0rm: They're horrible with epilepsy :)
[10:44] <gurum0232> i0n, true.
[10:44] <i0n_st0rm> arnia: lol
[10:44] <jefis> mine is samsung :)
[10:44] <gurum0232> i0n, check out fatwallet.com, sleakdeals.net
[10:44] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:45] <Arnia> toresbe: Make a video room?
[10:45] <gurum0232> samsung here also.. love samsung.
[10:45] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Are you saying CRT increases people's chances of getting laid?
[10:45] <Arnia> Samsung means to...
[10:45] <toresbe> Arnia: I have 5 PCI slots, would work nicely with a big honkin' desk
[10:45] <gurum0232> evil, nope. :(
[10:45] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: ... radiation.. daughters.. you are nutty
[10:45] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:45] <x_fOrGe_x> Hey all, what is the good word tonight..  =)
[10:45] <Arnia> toresbe: I want one of those huge apple monitors. The ones that require two dvi cables
[10:46] <vague> hello
[10:46] <UBabe> Anyone know how to get Ubuntu to use a windows based boot loader instead of Grub?
[10:46] <toresbe> Arnia: heh
[10:46] <toresbe> http://www.messinalug.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=993
[10:46] <toresbe> wow
[10:46] <UBabe> hello :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> UBabe: what for??
[10:46] <i0n_st0rm> the biggest problem i've gotten from my CRT monitors is 32 hour gaming sprees resulting in migrane due to cathode ray burn
[10:46] <hasanudin> i can mount manually, buat cant mount network in nautilus browser (uBuntu 5.04). any body can help me?
[10:46] <toresbe> UBabe: it's not possible, two different technologies, sorry
[10:46] <UBabe> thoreaputic: i had my old one preconfigured and everything
[10:46] <UBabe> oooh
[10:47] <gurum0232> seriously, I am saving so much electricity due to using LCD
[10:47] <vague> can anybody help me with my printer driver problem? i have an canon ip1500 and i doesn't work
[10:47] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: why would you want to?
[10:47] <Arnia> toresbe: A wall of cool apple monitors?
[10:47] <toresbe> gurum0232: at my orphanage I don't pay the bills :)
[10:47] <gurum0232> 50 > 25
[10:47] <Arnia> Actually, what I want is a polarised filtered IMAX 3D :)
[10:47] <toresbe> heh
[10:47] <Huey> can i "delete" the first user added to the system?
[10:47] <toresbe> would *really* make opengl wm's dun
[10:47] <toresbe> fun*
[10:47] <Huey> how would i designate someone else to be the main sudo user?
[10:48] <gurum0232> actually, what I really want is stick some chips in my brain so I don't need any monitor, sound card, or even cpu.
[10:48] <Arnia> toresbe: Probably induce motion sickness though :)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Huey: wach out - you lose your sudo setup
[10:48] <Arnia> gurum0232: I plan to have that done at some point
[10:48] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: mmmmmm.. wetwire
[10:48] <fallstorm> That would be a nasty kernel crash gurum
[10:48] <drbombay43> yellow; is there anyone here who is using a 2.6.11 kernel?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Huey: visudo
[10:48] <i0n_st0rm> fallstorm: lol
[10:48] <gurum0232> everything embedded in my brain..with 100000^9999 Mhz, 199999 ^88888 MB ram
[10:48] <kakalto> how can I make a program run on login?
[10:48] <kakalto> in kde
[10:48] <jefis> ~/.kde/Autostart/
[10:48] <Huey> maybe there's an easier way, then...is there a way to re-create the default gnome settings for a user?
[10:49] <Arnia> gurum0232: Not EVERYTHING in my brain... just have an extra pair of eyes and ears I can use
[10:49] <mz2> i get this bizarre error msg when trying to log in that /tmp is running out of space
[10:49] <Huey> i tried just deleting all relevant files, but it wouldn't create them, it threw some error
[10:49] <gurum0232> and I'll have some wonderful program who will run my body and help me get through this BS in the world (like working and making money)
[10:49] <i0n_st0rm> how many people here actually use kubuntu/kubuntu-desktop?
[10:49] <Huey> but this only happens for one user
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Huey: delete ~/.gnome  .gnome2
[10:49] <gurum0232> while my real mind is in this virtual world having virtual vacation;
[10:49] <gurum0232> i think it's possible.
[10:49] <i0n_st0rm> i'd love to have cruise control for my body
[10:49] <Arnia> gurum0232: You can actually train yourself to multitask if you want
[10:50] <gurum0232> after all, the real world would rather prefer an automaton...than a creative being who is extremely lazy.
[10:50] <i0n_st0rm> actually.. i think that i do have it
[10:50] <mz2> i was able to log in with a different user, then tried again with this one, and anything that should use /tmp doesn't seem to work (for example polypaudio complains me about the same thing)
[10:50] <i0n_st0rm> you ever driven home from somewhere.. and not remembered actually driving there?
[10:50] <gurum0232> Arnia, my brain is not adopted to multitasking, :(
[10:50] <Rhymes> anyone knows why gnome-panel, gedit, totem and such programs keep crashing when started?
[10:50] <Huey> thoreauputic: i actually did 'rm -r ~/.*'
[10:50] <Huey> so which files should i copy from another user to restore the default settings?
[10:50] <seven_six_two> better
[10:50] <Arnia> gurum0232: Its training, that's all. I can put visual overlays on my normal visual field
[10:50] <i0n_st0rm> i can remember many times in the past that i've gone to drive home from somewhere.. remember leaving the place.. remember getting home.. but not actually remembering driving
[10:51] <Arnia> gurum0232: Very handy when coding
[10:51] <gurum0232> arnia, wow
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Huey: you did *what* ??
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Huey: you deleted *all* dot files?
[10:51] <i0n_st0rm> arnia: you scare me
[10:51] <bds> hi
[10:51] <Arnia> Its training
[10:51] <i0n_st0rm> no..
[10:52] <Huey> thoreauputic: yeah, i was a bit intoxicated at the time...
[10:52] <Arnia> What?
[10:52] <MrNonchalant> roflmao
[10:52] <x_fOrGe_x> heh
[10:52] <Arnia> :p
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Huey: you must have been
[10:52] <Huey> is there a way to wipe a user so his home directory is the same as a fresh install?
[10:52] <gurum0232> arnia, any good HOWTO's?
[10:52] <Arnia> I'm a normal human being who likes seeing what his brain can do when pressed
[10:52] <UBabe> anyone know if Grub is any good at maning partitions, autohiding etc...?
[10:52] <gurum0232> arnia, I've been reading some NLP shit..interesting.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Huey: just make a new user and add him/her to sudoers with visudo
[10:52] <UBabe> maning=naming
[10:53] <Arnia> gurum0232: Heh... I'm a semanticist :p
[10:53] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: hiding?
[10:53] <Arnia> gurum0232: I must wonder why you brought that up
[10:53] <gurum0232> arnia.. stress..
[10:53] <Rhymes> i can't use gnome cause all of this programs crash
[10:53] <gurum0232> Arnia, kinda stressed with my life..and kinda trying to force myself to do something I hate to do..
[10:53] <i0n_st0rm> programs crash?
[10:53] <i0n_st0rm> does anyone else hate dr phil?
[10:54] <UBabe> i0n storm: yeah, i have a basic windows ootloader called OSL2000
[10:54] <UBabe> im trying to make it work kind of the same
[10:54] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: what does this boot loader do that's so special?
[10:54] <Rhymes> i0n_st0rm: when gnome starts after login in gdm gnome-panel crashes, it crashes also if i start it manually. (gedit and totem too)
[10:54] <i0n_st0rm> ...
[10:54] <i0n_st0rm> Rhymes: what did you screw up?
[10:54] <Arnia> gurum0232: Hmm... my advice to learn how to do these tricks is to start small. You need to force your brain to become more plastic. Are you synesthesic at all?
[10:54] <seven_six_two> lol...
[10:54] <Rhymes> i dunno :(
[10:54] <UBabe> it has stealth mode: can run without a prompt screen unless i interrupt it after the MBR gets read
[10:55] <x_fOrGe_x> iOn, yes other hate phil  ;)
[10:55] <Arnia> (and they are tricks... useful tricks, but tricks nonetheless. You can survive without them)
[10:55] <UBabe> once i activate a partition, all other partitions become inactive (i.e. autohide)
[10:55] <gurum0232> Arnia. i don't really understand the meaning of synesthetic..
[10:55] <gurum0232> I think I am mildy autistic
[10:55] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: don't see why you even need that..
[10:55] <UBabe> erm, i ned the autohide part though.
[10:55] <Arnia> gurum0232: Do you have some muddle between your senses?
[10:55] <i0n_st0rm> i don't get the autohide part
[10:55] <seven_six_two> i don't see grub when i boot UBabe
[10:55] <UBabe> I dont want my PC partitions appearing in Linux and vice versa.
[10:55] <gurum0232> Arnia, muddle?
[10:56] <Rhymes> mmm i try to debug binaries with gdb and look see happens
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: they won't in grub
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> windows can't by default *see* linux partitions
[10:56] <mz2> hmm, this really seems to be some user-specific problem, everything works fine with all the other users
[10:56] <Arnia> gurum0232: The stereotypical example is smelling sounds, or days of the week having colours
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> linux doesn't see what you don't mount
[10:56] <UBabe> How configurabke is Grub though?
[10:56] <gurum0232> Arnia.. nope
[10:56] <UBabe> configurakble=configurable
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: i imagine that your boot loader doesn't actually do anything special
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> ubuntu's grub works rather well
[10:57] <Arnia> gurum0232: Do years have a shape?
[10:57] <i0n_st0rm> you pick your drive/partition to make active and boot from
[10:57] <seven_six_two> dodecahedronal
[10:57] <gurum0232> Arnia, nope.. too me everything is somewhat mechanical..
[10:57] <UBabe> I suppose, can i rename the partitions listed in Grub though?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> UBabe: it's very configurable, but I don't think you'll need more than defaults
[10:57] <gurum0232> more like some sort of system.
[10:57] <MrNonchalant> The darn installer always screws up my GRUB menu.lst
[10:57] <thoreauputic> UBabe: yes
[10:57] <UBabe> I have two instances of XP and both appear with the same name
[10:57] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: t loader really has nothing to do with what your operating systems can and can't see
[10:58] <thoreauputic> UBabe: just change the names in the grub menu.lst
[10:58] <Rhymes> i0n_st0rm: http://rafb.net/paste/results/94OWdA74.html
[10:58] <MrNonchalant> UBabe, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:58] <mz2> does anybody have any idea what might cause this? that a specific user cannot write to /tmp?
[10:58] <Arnia> gurum0232: Ah... hmm. Well, a large part of the trick is using the muddle I have between my senses
[10:58] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: yes, you can edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:58] <UBabe> can i reame and configure grub from Gnome, or can i simply do it from the bootloader itself?
[10:58] <mz2> permissions should be fine
[10:58] <gurum0232> arnia, kinda like that guy who did amazing math on his brain..
[10:58] <gurum0232> but he got that ability after having some brain injury :)
[10:58] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:58] <UBabe> cool, thanks dude :)
[10:59] <gurum0232> he holds the Guinnes record for remembering the largest no. of digits of Pi
[10:59] <thoreauputic> UBabe: you can do either, but just editing the file is easiest
[10:59] <Draucon> anyone having problems with xmms?
[10:59] <Arnia> gurum0232: yeah... I like my weirdness, you should like yours. Typicality is boring :)
[10:59] <i0n_st0rm> at least i'm not a total newb and can give some help
[10:59] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:59] <MrNonchalant> whenever it upgrades the kernel it always messes up my dual-boot setup :(
[10:59] <UBabe> later ppl, thanks for all ya help!
[10:59] <x_fOrGe_x> any good reasources out there for ATI drivers? (9600 XT Pro) ?
[11:00] <i0n_st0rm> MrNonchalant: how's that?
[11:00] <seven_six_two> oh wow. that was italian or something
[11:00] <spiral> hi
[11:00] <gurum0232> arnia, ture.. :)
[11:00] <gurum0232> but this modern society kinda demands conformity..
[11:00] <gurum0232> :)
[11:00] <i0n_st0rm> MrNonchalant: you mean it showing like 3 different linux kernels and your windows one?
[11:00] <fallstorm> night everyone, have a good one
[11:00] <i0n_st0rm> fallstorm: nite
[11:00] <seven_six_two> Rhymes, sorry...i can't understand that
[11:00] <Arnia> gurum0232: Meh... come to Durham. For some reason we seem to have all the oddities ;)
[11:01] <thoreauputic> MrNonchalant: that's surprising....
[11:01] <MrNonchalant> i0n_st0rm, yeah, which means windows doesn't boot by default till I hand edit it back
[11:01] <gurum0232> durhman, NC?
[11:01] <gurum0232> been there once..
[11:01] <Rhymes> seven_six_two: gosh it's in italian, anyway it does have a segfault with libglib
[11:01] <gurum0232> nice city.
[11:01] <gurum0232> Minneapolis here...
[11:01] <i0n_st0rm> holy hell
[11:01] <Rhymes> i try to translate it in english
[11:01] <Arnia> gurum0232: The original Durham :p
[11:01] <i0n_st0rm> MrNonchalant: you know that you can get rid of the kernels you don't use, right? (and yeah, having to set it back to windows default every time is annoying)
[11:01] <MrNonchalant> the first time it actually erased Windows, but I added it back and this time put it below the "automagic debian" comment line
[11:02] <i0n_st0rm> erased?
[11:02] <gurum0232> original durham?
[11:02] <gurum0232> in UK?
[11:02] <MrNonchalant> from the menu.lst file
[11:02] <i0n_st0rm> now that's just downright mean
[11:02] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:02] <MrNonchalant> very disconcerting as, at the time, I didn't know how to put it back
[11:02] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[11:02] <Arnia> gurum0232: http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/statue/1287/English/Durham/cathed/out/peninsul.htm
[11:03] <i0n_st0rm> Rhyme: what is that.. italian?
[11:03] <Arnia> I live between numbers 8 and 5
[11:03] <FreezerX> I cant extract a rar archive that I created in windows. Archive type is not supported
[11:03] <i0n_st0rm> mer?
[11:03] <gurum0232> freezerx, apt-get install unrar
[11:03] <gurum0232> if that doesn't work, try Wine + winrar
[11:03] <FreezerX> :-) thanks
[11:03] <i0n_st0rm> and don't forget the sudo ;)
[11:03] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:04] <seven_six_two> yeah, italian. Rhymes can you reinstall that package?
[11:04] <gurum0232> arnia, beautiful city.
[11:04] <MrNonchalant> but yeah, I leave the kernels but kill the extra boot options. right noe it's Windows, Ubuntu, Ubuntu (revovery), and memtest
[11:04] <Rhymes> seven_six_two: gnome-panel or libglib?
[11:04] <MrNonchalant> *now
[11:04] <Arnia> gurum0232: My favourite place in the world :)
[11:04] <i0n_st0rm> i toss away the unused kernels
[11:04] <seven_six_two> libglib
[11:04] <Rhymes> ok
[11:04] <i0n_st0rm> i don't like them cluttering me up
[11:04] <MrNonchalant> hmm
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> I probably should as well
[11:05] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> (watch me do something wrong and then ping out)
[11:05] <i0n_st0rm> that's actually the one thing i default to synaptic for
[11:05] <goonie> will there be a way for warty users to upgrade to hoary without having to do a complete reinstall? And will it be a problem on dual boot machines?
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> yes and no
[11:05] <Arnia> I'm thinking about organising a RandomSprint at some point... where everyone decides to meet up in a place and hack on random ideas and projects which they've conceived of at the event :)
[11:05] <seven_six_two> Il carattere 'on  valido all'inizio di un nome di entit   <<<  what is that
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> respectively
[11:05] <i0n_st0rm> just find the kernels you're not using (and for god's sake don't remove the kernel you're in right not)
[11:06] <Arnia> I think Durham would be conducive to the randomness :)
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> and again the X hangs on me...
[11:06] <pere> Hi. Tried upgrading to hoary, by changing the name of the repositories in synaptic. Now I can only run Gnome in SafeMode, and it actually seems to have uninstalled synaptic. Any ideas?
[11:06] <i0n_st0rm> seven_six_two: one sec
[11:06] <dholbach> pere: what did it uninstall?
[11:07] <i0n_st0rm> http://www.pastebin.com/269221
[11:07] <daven> pere: you can sudo aptitude from the command-line instead of using synaptic
[11:07] <daven> pere: type /searchTerm to search
[11:07] <seven_six_two> use   U  to update
[11:07] <daven> pere: for instance /gcc
[11:07] <Rhymes> the warning msg is something like this http://rafb.net/paste/results/Yz2FnQ22.html
[11:07] <dholbach> pere: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop synaptic
[11:07] <i0n_st0rm> seven_six_two: you get that?
[11:07] <dholbach> pere: should give you gack at least SOME missing bits
[11:08] <seven_six_two> w8
[11:08] <pere> Thanks sholbach. It is downloading some stuff now...:-)=
[11:09] <dholbach> pere: *ROCK*
[11:09] <seven_six_two> i0n_st0rm, i see it, but I've never seen an "error" message like that
[11:09] <seven_six_two> is that when you try to run gedit?
[11:09] <dholbach> pere:   dpkg -l | grep ^ii   should give you a list of packages that are only "half-installed" (residual configuration, more likely) - so you at least have a list of SOME packages that went astray
[11:09] <i0n_st0rm> seven_six_two: neither have i ;)
[11:10] <dholbach> pere: but DUDE, you really have to look what packages are to be removed
[11:10] <pere> I also notice that it is still using XFree, not Xorg... is it generally safer to install Hoary from CD?
[11:10] <pere> dholbach...yes...:-)
[11:10] <Rhymes> haahahaha what a stupid :D i0n_st0rm, seven_six_two it worked. thanks
[11:10] <dholbach> pere: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[11:10] <FreezerX> How can I force unrar to use the p flag of mkdir to create parent directories if they do not exist
[11:11] <seven_six_two> reinstalling worked?
[11:11] <Rhymes> yes
[11:11] <seven_six_two> ah good
[11:11] <i0n_st0rm> guess it was the libglib
[11:11] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[11:11] <seven_six_two> i'll have to remember that
[11:11] <i0n_st0rm> hehe program gives a libglib error? reinstall the libglib!
[11:11] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[11:12] <i0n_st0rm> corrupted files are annoying
[11:12] <seven_six_two> i once stumbled upon a web board of people who were looking for midgets
[11:12] <i0n_st0rm> ...
[11:12] <MrNonchalant> I would think it wouldn't be very hard to find them
[11:13] <i0n_st0rm> if you watch jerry springer, it seems to be incredibly easy
[11:13] <Arnia> Midgets are easy to find... I have several midget friends
[11:13] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:13] <MrNonchalant> well, except that they're small and everything
[11:13] <seven_six_two> some to hire, some that thought that slavery is good when applied to little people
[11:13] <Arnia> Dwarves are harder...
[11:13] <MrNonchalant> gnomes made my desktop
[11:13] <i0n_st0rm> i'd love to meet a chick that has primordial dwarfism
[11:13] <MrNonchalant> or so it says, right here
[11:14] <seven_six_two> I wish I had a midget friend, a midget friend, a midget friend
[11:14] <i0n_st0rm> MrNonchalant: even left their footprint?
[11:14] <MrNonchalant> how did you know?!
[11:14] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:14] <MrNonchalant> this is so all ending up on bash
[11:14] <i0n_st0rm> seems the same ones made mine
[11:14] <i0n_st0rm> those gnomes are spiffy.. they somehow make it fresh every time i install.. and they do it fast!
[11:15] <thoreauputic> it appears gnomes have only 4 toes...
[11:15] <thoreauputic> on each foot...
[11:15] <MrNonchalant> rofl
[11:15] <_4strO> something change about depsitories ?
[11:15] <_4strO> yop yop 66
[11:15] <_4strO> ^^
[11:15] <Arnia> I like to stake my gnomes out on the fence
[11:15] <i0n_st0rm> indeed it does.. how interesting
[11:15] <i0n_st0rm> oh how cruel!
[11:15] <seven_six_two> if you only have 4 fingers, it's harder to be rude to people
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> unless you're british
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> brittish..
[11:16] <seven_six_two> hahaha
[11:16] <szymon> Hey
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> blah i'm tired and can't spell
[11:16] <szymon> How to open a direstory ass root ?
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> umm..
[11:17] <seven_six_two> szymon,
[11:17] <_4strO> szymon> sudo nautilus /home/...
[11:17] <seven_six_two> what do you mean?
[11:17] <szymon> Thanks :D
[11:18] <cuiqin> ?
[11:18] <MrNonchalant> now is it the case that the people in gray are away?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> must be amputee gnomes - I see only left footprints
[11:18] <MrNonchalant> slash idle
[11:18] <seven_six_two> _4strO, will nautilus keep root permissions indefinitely? or as long as sudo is active?
[11:19] <MrNonchalant> as long as sudo is active
[11:19] <i0n_st0rm> i understand that people that don't speak english as a first language make mistakes.. but has anyone else noticed their apparent universal knack for always misspelling "as" as "ass" and the like? no offense to any non-native english speakers
[11:19] <_4strO> seven_six_two> if u kill the console, nautilus will be killed
[11:19] <seven_six_two> unless they're tricking you
[11:19] <Arnia> thoreauputic: I only amputated some of them... :p
[11:19] <seven_six_two> i c. i thought sudo had a time limit though
[11:19] <thenuke> what's that expert-install good for?
[11:19] <MrNonchalant> burglarized is so a word
[11:19] <i0n_st0rm> sudo does
[11:20] <_4strO> i0n_st0rm> :p
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:20] <toresbe> has anoyone had problems with xv and fglrx_
[11:20] <toresbe> ?*
[11:20] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, actually, the far more common one among Asian esl people is missing a plural
[11:20] <toresbe> It suddenly stopped working for me
[11:20] <_4strO> toresbe> many pb :p
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> esl?
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> ah
[11:20] <_4strO> not as I
[11:20] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, english as a second language
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> nevermind :) a blit slow on the uptake
[11:20] <StyxAlso> I'm trying to get a LinkSys WPC54GS card to work using ndiswrapper, but I can't set the SSID. Anyone have any ideas?
[11:20] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Basic Variety doesn't normally gain proper inflection
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> bit*
[11:21] <blizah> question why does xmms freeze up when playing mp3s files unless you change the output from oss or alsa to esd?
[11:21] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: took me a moment to figure it out :)
[11:21] <StyxAlso> I've tried using iwconfig wlan0 essid to set it, and I've tried editing the config file under /etc/ndiswrapper
[11:21] <blizah> cause im having troubles getting my cs 1.6 through cedega to have sound
[11:21] <szymon> how can i open a dircestory usr/share/fonts/custom as root ?
[11:21] <blizah> and it uses alsa or oss
[11:22] <seven_six_two> blizah, are oss and alsa turned on in kernel?
[11:22] <_4strO> I need ubuntu hoary sourcelist plz
[11:22] <i0n_st0rm> szymon: you wanting to open it in nautalis or in terminal?
[11:22] <blizah> seven_six_two how do i check?
[11:22] <seven_six_two> dunno
[11:22] <MrNonchalant> so I wonder how update-notify will work, and let me tell you am I excited
[11:22] <blizah> hehe
[11:22] <szymon> in nautilius
[11:22] <szymon> i want to put there some fonts
[11:22] <seven_six_two> there was a discussion about it in another channel
[11:22] <blizah> i think hoary uses alsa doesnt it?
[11:23] <Arnia> szymon: fonts:/// just drag them or links to them into there
[11:23] <_4strO> szymon> sudo nautilus usr/share/fonts/custom
[11:23] <linuxboy> MrNonchalant: you upgrading to hoary?
[11:23] <seven_six_two> no clue. it's using esd for me
[11:23] <seven_six_two> i usually use alsa
[11:23] <Arnia> Instant update in Gnome apps
[11:23] <MrNonchalant> linuxboy, already upgraded
[11:23] <seven_six_two> but it works, so hey...
[11:23] <linuxboy> MrNonchalant: aaah, i also have
[11:23] <MrNonchalant> hasn't done anything yet, though
[11:23] <blizah> if you play an mp3 through xmms with output set to alsa does it work?
[11:23] <blizah> my xmms freezes
[11:23] <akito> quick question during install it never asked me to change root passwd? anyway of going back and fixing that?
[11:23] <MrNonchalant> I like what I see so far, though
[11:23] <seven_six_two> i didn't install xmms
[11:24] <Burgundavia> akito, you have no root password by default. Ubuntu uses sudo
[11:24] <blizah> ah
[11:24] <MrNonchalant> especially the moon icon on the weather applet
[11:24] <blizah> well anything for that matter?
[11:24] <seven_six_two> only rhythmbox for now, cuz i'm switching soon
[11:24] <akito> hmm..
[11:24] <akito> su - doesnt seem to work
[11:25] <i0n_st0rm> szmon: open a root terminal and type: nautilus /usr/share/fonts/custom
[11:25] <linuxboy> akito: sudo su
[11:25] <akito> i see .. thansk now i can do some reading
[11:25] <i0n_st0rm> that *should* keep the nautilus session as root indefinitely
[11:25] <i0n_st0rm> i think..
[11:25] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:25] <akito> since there is no browser on install :|
[11:26] <Neil3> hey folks i'm having a strange issue with firefox - when i go to import my old bookmarks.html file, the buttons in the dialog box it gives me have no text in them and i can't proceed
[11:26] <Myrtti> nautilus session as root?
[11:26] <Myrtti> *rrrrtghhhhh*
[11:26] <thoreauputic> akito: errm - firefox is installed by default
[11:26] <thoreauputic> oh he left
[11:26] <Daehlie> is there anyway to make gtk themes be used by gtk applications in kubuntu?
[11:26] <seven_six_two> i think it does
[11:26] <i0n_st0rm> akito: try sudo su
[11:27] <sataere> Hey everone, is 60 C hot for a cpu?
[11:27] <Myrtti> famous bad idea #2
[11:27] <i0n_st0rm> then again, i'm behind, since linuxboy beat me to it ages ago
[11:27] <szymon> when i try to put there font, i got an error: Dont have premission ( i have polish ubuntu i dont know how it is in english :P )
[11:27] <seven_six_two> Daehlie, maybe try in #kubuntu
[11:27] <kakalto> could someone tell me how to get japanese input working under kde?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: he did the old leave-before-you-find-out trick
[11:27] <linuxboy> i0n_st0rm: :)
[11:27] <Burgundavia> kakalto, have you tried #kubuntu?
[11:27] <i0n_st0rm> ah
[11:28] <i0n_st0rm> don't you love when they do that?
[11:28] <kakalto> Burgundavia, #kubuntu is as useful as a car with no brakes
[11:28] <i0n_st0rm> why would you want gtk themes in kde?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> kakalto, hmm
[11:28] <Neil3> i have a screenshot of what's going on here: http://neil.demolish.nu/firefox.png
[11:28] <Burgundavia> kakalto, why do you say that?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: especially when the answer was several lines, or involved finding a link, yeah
[11:28] <theine> Does Hoary support Reiser4 out of the box?
[11:29] <kakalto> Burgundavia, there's no people in there knowing about japanese input
[11:29] <i0n_st0rm> thoreauputic: hehe.. i generally will sit and wait 10 or so minutes, and ask again after a few minutes or so just in case
[11:29] <kakalto> it's less active
[11:29] <Burgundavia> kakalto, hmm
[11:29] <kakalto> half the people don't know much in there
[11:29] <Burgundavia> kakalto, is there a #kde ?
[11:29] <kakalto> Burgundavia, as useful as #kubuntu
[11:29] <kakalto> "GO AWAY TO #UBUNTU FOR HELP."
[11:29] <Burgundavia> kakalto, we generally are a bunch of gnome geeks around here
[11:29] <kakalto> :(
[11:30] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: I once got an naswer in the fluxbox channel after waiting an hour without repeating :)
[11:30] <Burgundavia> kakalto, that is not a very friendly and welcoming environment
[11:30] <thoreauputic> *an answer
[11:30] <kakalto> thoreauputic, you obviously have patience.
[11:30] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:30] <i0n_st0rm> that's crazy
[11:30] <kakalto> Burgundavia, do you know of a debian distro with kde as default?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> kakalto: well, I was in other channels doing other stuff, so...
[11:31] <Neil3> knoppix
[11:31] <Burgundavia> kakalto, mepis
[11:31] <Funraiser> kakalto, kubuntu
[11:31] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, any idea if 60 degrees celsius is hot for my cpu?
[11:31] <Burgundavia> kakalto, they are apparently quite user friendly
[11:31] <i0n_st0rm> kakalto: MDK, RH, SuSE, Kubuntu..
[11:31] <kakalto> Funraiser, I want help on kubuntu, and #kubuntu is useless
[11:31] <Cheetahfoot> just did an upgrade to hoary ... why is gnome still ver 2.8?
[11:31] <kakalto> i0n_st0rm, RH, SuSe are RPM
[11:31] <kakalto> not DEB
[11:31] <Funraiser> kakalto, oh
[11:31] <Burgundavia> kakalto, #mepis exists
[11:31] <Funraiser> sorry
[11:31] <i0n_st0rm> kakalto: never said they weren't
[11:32] <kakalto> i0n_st0rm, I asked for DEBIAN
[11:32] <i0n_st0rm> then again, i'm tired and didn't read well
[11:32] <kakalto> Burgundavia, thanks
[11:32] <i0n_st0rm> ;)
[11:32] <kakalto> i0n_st0rm, s'alright
[11:32] <Burgundavia> kakalto, np
[11:32] <theine> Cheetah: Either it isn't 2.8 or you didn't upgrade properly
[11:32] <i0n_st0rm> knoppix is indeed a kde debian
[11:32] <i0n_st0rm> i rather enjoy it, too
[11:33] <i0n_st0rm> it's nice for emergency fixes
[11:33] <Burgundavia> knoppix is very nice for ex-windows admins (and current ones0
[11:33] <Fator_Dee> Cheetahfoot: did you log in/log out or reboot?
[11:33] <i0n_st0rm> had a friend who had memory go bad, then ide controllers..
[11:33] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: mandrake is now called mandriva I believe
[11:33] <Cheetahfoot> theine: will i modified sources.list to say 'hoary'; then did sudo apt-get update, and then sudo apt-get upgrade ...
[11:33] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, indeed
[11:33] <i0n_st0rm> their system stopped reading an entire partition in windows
[11:33] <i0n_st0rm> knoppix saw it and accessed it perfectly
[11:33] <MrNonchalant> Cheetahfoot, reboot
[11:34] <theine> Cheetah: try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[11:34] <Arnia> Should I go to Windsor today?
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> if you haven't already
[11:34] <i0n_st0rm> thoreauputic: *boggle*
[11:34] <Cheetahfoot> theine: k. i'll try it. thx.
[11:34] <Burgundavia> MrNonchalant, why do they need to reboot?
[11:34] <daven> Arnia: i bet it'll be packed :)
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> I don't know, I had to
[11:34] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: hehe - mandrakke+connectiva = mandriva
[11:34] <Arnia> daven: Probably... but its just down the roads
[11:34] <i0n_st0rm> what's a connectiva?
[11:34] <daven> Arnia: apparently people all got a day off work for prince charles's last wedding ;-)
[11:34] <Arnia> -s
[11:34] <seven_six_two> silly name, but mandrake is still available on the site
[11:34] <Cheetahfoot> theine: yeah, i think that's going to be it ... thx!
[11:35] <MrNonchalant> daven, damn those brits
[11:35] <theine> Cheetahfoot: you're welcome
[11:35] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: brazilian distro I believe
[11:35] <i0n_st0rm> Cheetahfoot: hit CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[11:35] <daven> MrNonchalant, Arnia: not second time around, though ;-) bad luck us!
[11:35] <i0n_st0rm> thoreauputic: i see
[11:35] <theine> Cheetahfoot: ever tried synaptic?
[11:35] <Cheetahfoot> ctrl+alt+backspace ... k ...
[11:35] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: now merged with mandrake, hence name change
[11:35] <Arnia> Bus to Slough then the train to Windsor...
[11:35] <i0n_st0rm> interesting
[11:35] <Cheetahfoot> theine: um ... no ... that's the gnome updater, right?
[11:35] <i0n_st0rm> i tried mdk a time or two
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> didn't care much for it
[11:36] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, to split hairs, mandrake purchased connective
[11:36] <daven> Arnia: bus to slough has got to put you off ;-)
[11:36] <Arnia> Get off and Windsor and Eton Central and step out opposite the castle
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: well, OK :)
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> well it's what cheetahfoot needs to do
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> not you
[11:36] <theine> Cheetahfoot: no it's a front-end to apt, it's in under System -> Administration
[11:36] <Arnia> daven: Living five miles from slough during holidays really puts me off
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> silly nonchalant
[11:36] <daven> Arnia: hehe
[11:36] <MrNonchalant> :D
[11:36] <Arnia> daven: makes me hanker for Durham again
[11:36] <theine> Cheetahfoot: check it out, it's really neat
[11:36] <Fator_Dee> MrNonchalant: don't do everything they say ;-)
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> Cheetahfoot: ctrl+alt+backspace.. hit it :)
[11:37] <MrNonchalant> On imperialconflict.org they call me nonny
[11:37] <goonie> Can anyone point me to a guide, how-to or a forum that has info on upgrading from warty to hoary ?
[11:37] <Burgundavia> CheeseBall, ctrl-alt-bksp will restart your x server, so you will lose anything you are currently working on
[11:37] <Cheetahfoot> will do. right now... i0n_st0rm: now? i'm doing the dist-upgrade now ...
[11:37] <hackeron> bah, no sshd on the livecd??
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> cheeseball?
[11:37] <Burgundavia> Cheetahfoot, , ctrl-alt-bksp will restart your x server, so you will lose anything you are currently working on
[11:37] <Burgundavia> err
[11:37] <Arnia> The Chilterns are beautiful... but don't make up for Slough, Aylesbury, Reading, High Wycombe, Watford, Luton, Oxford and Milton Keynes
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> Cheetahfoot: err then no
[11:37] <Burgundavia> tab completion
[11:37] <MrNonchalant> www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> don't do it now
[11:37] <theine> i0n_st0rm: no, that's not what he needs to do...
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:37] <MrNonchalant> scroll down
[11:38] <daven> Arnia: i bet!
[11:38] <MrNonchalant> goonie, www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[11:38] <Fator_Dee> theine: but he said he's dist-upgrading now
[11:38] <MrNonchalant> at the bottom
[11:38] <Arnia> daven: Where abouts are you?
[11:38] <i0n_st0rm> theine: he said he updated and his gnome is still the old version.. he needs to restart it after he's done
[11:38] <i0n_st0rm> but not until he's done
[11:38] <daven> Arnia: so'ton
[11:38] <i0n_st0rm> doing it now would be bad
[11:38] <goonie> MrNonchalant, thx :)
[11:38] <Cheetahfoot> okay ... i'm waiting ...
[11:39] <Burgundavia> thoggen is pretty nice, but very very very slooooow
[11:39] <i0n_st0rm> because trust me.. interrupting an upgrade is annoying
[11:39] <theine> i0n_st0rm: sure, at some point he needs to restart gdm, but real problem was that he didn't dist-upgrade
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> could bad memory be a reason why my X hangs suddenly hogging up the resources?
[11:39] <i0n_st0rm> theine: i thought he said he had already done it :) my bad
[11:40] <i0n_st0rm> i can't believe MrNonchalant actually did it..
[11:40] <Arnia> daven: Ah... know So'ton. Have some friends who used to live in Swaythling
[11:40] <theine> i0n_st0rm: In any case, I would rather recommend logging in and out of gnome instead of CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE...
[11:40] <i0n_st0rm> that's like the old days of telling people that the way to unlock the 128bit graphics in mirc was to hit alt+f+x
[11:40] <Arnia> Used to visit them a fair bit... only an hour or so by train from here
[11:41] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:41] <i0n_st0rm> won't do anything in x-chat
[11:41] <MrNonchalant> bah, doesn't so anything here
[11:41] <i0n_st0rm> we used to do that all the time back in the day
[11:41] <thenuke> Just installed hoary and got this on the first boot /sbin/init: 426: cannot create /dev/null : Read-only file system .. kernel panic..
[11:41] <i0n_st0rm> tell people "unlock your mIRC 128 bit graphics! hit alt+f+x!"
[11:41] <Burgundavia> I remember ping of death on my old 95 box
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> see how many people dropped
[11:42] <thoreauputic> MrNonchalant: heh - watch it - a truly destructive command is probably coming your way any minute ;)
[11:42] <MrNonchalant> I know, I know
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> truly destructive..
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> hmmm
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> how destructive can i get
[11:42] <Burgundavia> MrNonchalant, alt-f4 is a good keyboard shortcut to know
[11:42] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: don't go there...
[11:42] <MrNonchalant> I love the old quotes about rm C:\*.*
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: everyone knows that one, though
[11:42] <daven> Arnia: used to live in swaythling as a student
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> my favorite email tag from 8 or so years ago was..
[11:43] <i0n_st0rm> "Daddy.. what does Formatting drive C: mean?"
[11:43] <superfrog> Anyone knowns
[11:43] <Arnia> daven: yeah, they were students. Live in the New Forest now
[11:43] <Burgundavia> superfrog, what do you need help with?
[11:43] <superfrog> Anyone known how I can share a folder or a partition between a set of users ?
[11:43] <GoneBoB> superfrog: you can use NFS
[11:44] <Burgundavia> superfrog, on the same machine?
[11:44] <daven> arnia: weird - i live on the edge of the NF
[11:44] <superfrog> I have added a new SATA disk and created some ext3 partitions I need to share
[11:44] <yojimbo-san> superfrog: users on the same machine, or on different ones?
[11:44] <i0n_st0rm> i dislike ext3
[11:44] <i0n_st0rm> too slow
[11:44] <superfrog> same machine
[11:44] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, but stable
[11:44] <Arnia> daven: heh
[11:44] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, and tested
[11:44] <lucychili> change the ownership of the folder to a group they are both members of ?
[11:45] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, I have my OS as a hobby, not my FS
[11:45] <i0n_st0rm> reiserfs is stable and tested and much faster
[11:45] <i0n_st0rm> JFS is ancient and faster than reiserfs in many cases
[11:45] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, the probably with that, is then why are distros switching?
[11:45] <superfrog> I can add my users to a common group, but it's not enough, only the owner can have write access to the written files
[11:45] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: bandwagons don't mean better ;)
[11:46] <superfrog> I have folder sharing working ok with FAT32 as its mounted with umask=000
[11:46] <yojimbo-san> superfrog: sticky bit on the group - forces all files to the correct group ownership & perms
[11:46] <superfrog> it's ok, but I can't do that with ext3
[11:46] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, I think that if something was truly better, distros would have switched
[11:46] <theine> What's going to be the purpose of the hoary-updates repository? Will there be new versions of some software packages as opposed to just security fixes in the hoary repository?
[11:46] <blizah> where is the gnome control center?
[11:46] <Burgundavia> blizah, isn't a centralized one
[11:46] <MrNonchalant> is there any way to view ntfs partitions in linux? I know you can do that with the live cds, but not sure about installed
[11:46] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: most of them use ext3 by default because it's been default for so long and they are afraid to change :-p
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> Arnia: if your system can handle them, the full resolution ones, mine didn't :-)
[11:47] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, The enterprise class ones yes, but the desktop distros?
[11:47] <theine> blizah: that corresponds to System -> Preferences
[11:47] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, it may have something to with ol' Hans attitude
[11:47] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: many of the desktop distros are made by the same people
[11:47] <superfrog> yojimbo-san : if i sticky bit the folder, can all the group owner read/write on all files in the directory ?
[11:48] <Rhymes> gosh, it started crashing again. let's reinstall :(
[11:48] <i0n_st0rm> ..
[11:48] <binskipy2k5> ok spent 3 hours reading forums bout my soundcard and found out after that time, i should ve hit the letter M while in alsa mixer to unmute
[11:48] <i0n_st0rm> Rhymes: again?
[11:48] <Arnia> Fator_Dee: I'm bored so I'm seeing what my university friends' roads look like out of amusement. Its fun to zoom in and out of the country
[11:48] <theine> blizah: to convince yourself, just execute gnome-control-center in a terminal...
[11:48] <Rhymes> i0n_st0rm: yup
[11:48] <blizah> k tnx
[11:48] <blizah> yea thats what i did
[11:48] <yojimbo-san> superfrog: I thought so, but the chmod man page contradicts me - it may not be the case any more
[11:48] <HiddenWolf> Burgundavia, i0n_st0rm is there actually a noticable performance difference between FS's?
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> MrNonchalant: yes you can, I think theres a guide on ubuntulinuxguide
[11:48] <i0n_st0rm> ewww
[11:48] <MrNonchalant> k
[11:48] <i0n_st0rm> HiddenWolf: yes
[11:49] <i0n_st0rm> though it really depends on what you do, and if you're looking for it
[11:49] <hackeron> binskipy2k5: wow, took you 3 hours?
[11:49] <Burgundavia> HiddenWolf, I have never used reiserfs. I am very conservative that way
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> yeah hack, i'm kinda new, but not so new
[11:49] <Burgundavia> HiddenWolf, I figure that there is probably a compelling reason that most distros haven't switched
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> and ubuntu 4.10 worked perfectly
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> this one needed some tweaking
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> lol
[11:49] <i0n_st0rm> HiddenWolf: The odd part is that ext3 is slower than ext2 in most cases..
[11:49] <HiddenWolf> Burgundavia, try backwards compatibility
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> if i wouoldve read more thourougly
[11:49] <thoreauputic_> interesting... top says I have 113 processes, gkrellm says 143 :/
[11:50] <dholbach> see you later
[11:50] <HiddenWolf> i0n_st0rm, any site with decent benches to back it up?
[11:50] <Arnia> Does anyone else think that OS maps are beautiful?
[11:50] <binskipy2k5> i wouldve fixed it the first 10min i read the forum
[11:50] <binskipy2k5> lol
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Arnia, os maps?
[11:50] <i0n_st0rm> HiddenWold: let me find it.. a guy did some insane real world tests rather than trusting bench marking toold
[11:50] <seven_six_two> Burgundavia, i used reiserfs and liked it a lot. i only has problems when i would cat many files into a huge one
[11:50] <i0n_st0rm> tools*
[11:50] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Ordinance Survey
[11:50] <Rhymes> gosh, didn't worked :(
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Arnia, the amazingly detailed British ones?
[11:51] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Yeah
[11:51] <Daehlie> mine says 78 tasks in top, and 95 in gkrellm
[11:51] <seven_six_two> thoreauputic, top may be hiding system procs
[11:51] <daven> Arnia, Burgundavia: i've never seen anything amazingly detailed...!
[11:51] <Burgundavia> Arnia, I have never seen one, but heard many descriptions
[11:51] <thoreauputic_> seven_six_two: ah I see
[11:51] <Arnia> I'm browsing multimap with the OS overlay
[11:51] <WeirdAl> When I lauch dosbx is says ALSA:can't open sequencer because of "no such file or directory" on /dev/snd/seq/seq_hw.c
[11:51] <daven> Arnia: ah yeah, that's cool.  can't quite see what car was on my drive that day, tho ;-)
[11:51] <seven_six_two> does init show in top?
[11:52] <Arnia> www.mutimap.com
[11:52] <daven> www.multimap.com ;-)
[11:52] <thoreauputic_> seven_six_two: yes, it does...
[11:52] <goonie> what is the best tool for VPN-ing into a windows network?
[11:52] <Sauron21> I was if any could me of a program that could mount iso files by right clicking and then some kind of "mount" option....?
[11:52] <Arnia> daven: Heh... free OS maps and searching with an aerial photo feature. What more could you want? ;)
[11:52] <WeirdAl> sorry, tell a lie
[11:53] <WeirdAl> it was seq_hw.c that threw the error
[11:53] <WeirdAl> it's just /dev/snd/seq that doesn't exist.
[11:53] <WeirdAl> How do I make it exist?
[11:53] <multifasciatus> Hi
[11:53] <WeirdAl> lo
[11:53] <Daehlie> i am not sure how to mount an image file in linux, i am curious about that too
[11:53] <Frafra> hi all
[11:54] <bmoi> Daehlie, you need to mount it as a loopback device
[11:54] <Frafra> i use ubuntu-5.04-amd64
[11:54] <borch> hi
[11:54] <multifasciatus> If i set up some partitions during install willt hey automatically be mounted at each boot?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> Frafra, salut
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> Daehlie: I have a nice script for it, if you want I can send it to you?
[11:54] <Frafra> what i must do for install flash and the plugin for firefox?
[11:54] <bmoi> mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r /path/.iso /moun/point
[11:54] <Burgundavia> multifasciatus, if you set the mount points for them, yes
[11:54] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: not in ubuntu, no - you would need to edit /etc/fstab for that
[11:54] <theine> Daehlie: mount -o loop -t iso9660 <ISOFILE> <WHERE_TO_MOUNT>
[11:55] <drspin> hey all
[11:55] <Daehlie> theine: google just found it as well, thanks thought
[11:55] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: other OS partitions are not automaounted afaik
[11:55] <multifasciatus> how do i edit fstab? I have created some partitions using gparted but cannot set them up. That`s why i want to start over
[11:55] <theine> blizah: you might need to use sudo
[11:56] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, yes, but he mentioned setting up partitions during install
[11:56] <blizah> i got it working tnx theine :D
[11:56] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: use you favourite editor with the sudo command?
[11:56] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: eg sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:56] <multifasciatus> thor: But i don` t know what to write to fstab
[11:57] <Daehlie> multifasciatus: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[11:57] <drspin> $dmesg|grep apm
[11:57] <drspin> apm: BIOS not found.
[11:57] <drspin> I definitely have APM
[11:57] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: usually changing the noauto to auto does what you want
[11:58] <barney> multi: perhaps start with a "sudo fdisk -l" command, to tell you what disks you have.
[11:58] <drspin> Anyone know what the deal is... it's new since I switched to Hoary....
[11:58] <Frafra> who can help me?
[11:58] <drspin> Frafra: What do you need?
[11:58] <theine> drspin: you didn't get that under Warty?
[11:59] <drspin> theine: nope
[11:59] <Frafra> drspin, i must install flash
[11:59] <drspin> theine: or SuSE -- or Gentoo
[11:59] <Frafra> and the plugin for firefox
[11:59] <theine> drspin: did you do a fresh hoary install or upgraded from warty?
[11:59] <thoreauputic_> Frafra:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:59] <drspin> Frafra: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[11:59] <Frafra> thoreauputic, i use a amd64
[12:00] <thoreauputic_> Frafra: there's a howto there for flash and a lot of other stuff
[12:00] <Frafra> i can't use marillat
[12:00] <thoreauputic_> Frafra: ah I see
[12:00] <theine> drspin: i'm just curious since APM works for me without any problems under Hoary...
[12:00] <Frafra> there aren't package for amd64
[12:00] <drspin> Frafra: bummer... not sure what to tell you...
[12:00] <i0n_st0rm> i'm having trouble finding the exact site of where the guy did those benchmarks.. i reinstalled yesterday and lost my bookmarks :(
[12:00] <Burgundavia> Frafra, for somethings are there
[12:00] <drspin> theine: hmmm lemme read some more *sigh*
[12:00] <Burgundavia> Frafra, for amd64 remove all maraillat but the unstable one
[12:00] <multifasciatus> Can i please see one of you in a private chat?
[12:00] <Frafra> ok
[12:01] <Frafra> thanks
[12:01] <i0n_st0rm> i'm still looking, though
[12:01] <Kdo_Vasco> Who is italian?
[12:01] <barney> I've been failing to get any resolution > 640x480.
[12:01] <EddieX> I did an "server" installation of Ubuntu to get a small system. But when i have fetched lets say blackbox, + xorg etc.. i cant find startx ?
[12:02] <EddieX> Is there some metapkgs maybe?
[12:02] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: if you want us to look at your /etc/fstab, paste it on pastebin.com and give us a link
[12:02] <Sauron21> I found a "right-click to mount" program......   http://www.jinjiru.ru/index/mountiso
[12:02] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, don't worry, the burg is dishing out one on one love
[12:02] <theine> drspin: you might want to add '# kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro apm=on acpi=off noapic nolapic' to /boot/grub/menu.lst and the run 'sude update-grub'...
[12:02] <kakalto> how do I make a script that runs a program, to put in an autorun directory?
[12:02] <thoreauputic_> EddieX: x-window-system I think
[12:03] <yojimbo-san> goonie: OpenVPN every time :-)
[12:03] <EddieX> thoreauputic, Ok. will try that :) Thanks
[12:03] <theine> drspin: of course you need to modify that if you have a different root partition...
[12:03] <blizah> is there anyway to get esound and alsa working together?
[12:03] <seven_six_two> kakalto, put it in /etc/rc.#/
[12:03] <drspin> theine: which would be better?? apm or acpi?? shoudln't they both work quite well with one another?
[12:03] <kakalto> seven_six_two, but what do I put in the script?
[12:03] <i0n_st0rm> ah!
[12:03] <i0n_st0rm> http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html
[12:03] <i0n_st0rm> :)
[12:03] <Arnia> Wow... http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/freefun/
[12:03] <i0n_st0rm> i knew i would find it
[12:03] <seven_six_two> what do you want in it?
[12:04] <kakalto> I want it to automatically run a certain program
[12:04] <barney> kakalto: it needs two lines, the first is #! /bin/sh, the second is the name of your program.
[12:04] <barney> (or name and path)
[12:04] <kakalto> thanks
[12:04] <envel> Hi
[12:04] <theine> drspin: I think APM has a far greater success story under Linux...
[12:04] <barney> you also need to make the file executable - chmod +x script
[12:04] <drspin> hmmm
[12:04] <barney> or right-click on it and change properties.
[12:05] <envel> How to upgrade ubuntu 4.03 to 5.04 through internet?
[12:05] <drspin> Since I upgraded to Hoary My screen lags a lot -- even when nothing is really runnig in the background... could the probs be related?
[12:05] <theine> drspin: I use it since ACPI suspend consumes a lot more memory on my laptop than APM suspend
[12:05] <Kamping_kaiser> its 4.10
[12:05] <Kamping_kaiser> i thougth
[12:05] <blizah> problem is i think in hoary esd and alsa conflict
[12:05] <drspin> theine: I don't use suspend -- never had good luck with stability... never tried it on linux either...
[12:05] <Kamping_kaiser> envel. change your sources list to hoary instead of warty
[12:05] <Kamping_kaiser> hten go apt-get update
[12:05] <Frafra> flashplayer-mozilla doesn't exist in marillat for amd64
[12:06] <theine> drspin: are you using a laptop?
[12:06] <blizah> aka some xmms freezes when its using alsa untill you either disable esd or use esd
[12:06] <Kamping_kaiser> then apt=get dist-upgrade
[12:06] <envel> Kamping_kaiser, and that's all?
[12:06] <drspin> theine: no it's a desktop --
[12:06] <kakalto> barney, so exactly where do I put this script?
[12:06] <theine> drspin: oh, i see...
[12:06] <Kamping_kaiser> apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:06] <kakalto> .kde/Autostart  ?
[12:06] <drspin> theine: I think I was referring to sleep
[12:06] <Kamping_kaiser> envel. hten wait for an entire os to download ;)
[12:06] <Frafra> what i must do for install flash plugin on a amd64?
[12:06] <theine> drspin: me too
[12:06] <kakalto> *  ~/.kde/Autostart  ?
[12:06] <jnoon> if i have been on hoary for a while, now that the final release has come out, do i have to do anything?  or am i automatically on the final release?
[12:06] <Kamping_kaiser> then install and thats it
[12:06] <daven> Arnia: :)
[12:06] <theine> drspin: i.e. suspend-to-ram
[12:07] <drspin> theine: LOL -- yeah :)
[12:07] <Kamping_kaiser> envel make sure your not using a gui when you do the update
[12:07] <kakalto> barney, where do I put it so that it runs on startup?
[12:07] <drspin> how can I mess with power settings on this thing anyway?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Kamping_kaiser: that's not necessary - it will work fine in a GUI
[12:07] <envel> Kamping_kaiser, hmm it works! thanks!
[12:07] <theine> drspin: in any case, if ACPI is working for you fine then why bother about APM? One doesn't use both at the same time anyway...
[12:08] <Kamping_kaiser> thoreauputic. i and others had problems where x didnt work afterward
[12:08] <kakalto> barney???
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Kamping_kaiser: I suspect that's more a driver issue or somrhting
[12:08] <theine> drspin: if you use ACPI then APM will be automatically disabled at kernel level I think
[12:09] <Kamping_kaiser> ok thoreauputic.
[12:09] <Kamping_kaiser> thats cool ;)
[12:09] <mikl> ack, my firefox is unbelievably unstable :(
[12:10] <Kamping_kaiser> anyone know what happend to gmake in hoary?
[12:10] <Arnia> daven: This site is interesting to read http://abcounties.org.uk/
[12:10] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: development tool are not install by default..
[12:10] <drspin> theine: honestly I'm not sure if it works...
[12:10] <Kamping_kaiser> i cant find it in synaptic at all
[12:11] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: have you enable the other archives?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Kamping_kaiser: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:11] <Burgundavia> Kamping_kaiser, I don't see it either
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> is it gmake or gnu make
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> ?
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> i ask because a mate couldent see it and niehter could it
[12:11] <thoreauputic> gmake is just "make" in linux
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> *i
[12:11] <theine> drspin: well, what would you expect from ACPI working?
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> thor. i have main,universe,restricted,multiverse
[12:12] <drspin> theine: of all the things I do know I never cared about Power Management really...
[12:12] <barney> kakalto? read your /etc/inittab file.
[12:12] <drspin> theine: I suppose now's a good time to learn...
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Kamping_kaiser: as i said,  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:12] <daven> Arnia: cheers -gtg now, will read later :)
[12:12] <theine> drspin: open up a terminal and go to /proc/acpi
[12:12] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: and updated ?
[12:12] <drspin> it seems GAIM may be the culprit in my CPU spiking ever so often...
[12:13] <Arnia> daven: Bye :)
[12:13] <candyban> Hi guys
[12:13] <theine> drspin: look around in there and have a look at those files with 'cat <FILE>'
[12:13] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: make is just called "make" here..
[12:13] <Kamping_kaiser> jesper. updated? i have an up to date system
[12:13] <drspin> or perhaps XORG
[12:13] <Kamping_kaiser> ok
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> drspin, don't be suprized
[12:13] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: sudo apt-get update
[12:13] <theine> drspin: you might get a clue what's going on in this way
[12:13] <candyban> Is there an "easy" upgrade path from debian (sid) to ubuntu?
[12:13] <candyban> like just changing my sources
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> candyban, I wouldn't risk it, no
[12:13] <barney> kakalto: I think you want to put your script in /etc/rc2.d/
[12:13] <thoreauputic> candyban: no, not easy or recommended
[12:14] <topyli> candyban: no.
[12:14] <candyban> hmmz k ... glad I asked :)
[12:14] <kakalto> barney, thanks
[12:14] <candyban> So I need to reinstall (K)ubuntu?
[12:14] <topyli> yex
[12:14] <topyli> yes even :)
[12:14] <HiddenWolf> candyban, yup
[12:15] <barney> kakalto: look at the names of the other files in there - give your script an S & a number at the begining - the numbers determine the order things are run in.
[12:15] <candyban> hmmz :(
[12:15] <individ_> Grub installs itself in MBR by default if no other OS is detected during ubuntu 5.04 install process?
[12:15] <jesper> candyban: definately not recommended, but if you try, I'd like to hear about the results.
[12:15] <jesper> :-)
[12:15] <candyban> I installed this debian like 4 years ago ... I would hate to "kill" it (I'm a bit emotionally attached to it)
[12:16] <candyban> jesper: k
[12:16] <barney> any ideas why cups is silently dropping my print jobs on the floor? It's an epson stylus 66.
[12:16] <Burgundavia> candyban, a lot of ubuntu hoary is debian sid
[12:16] <HiddenWolf> candyban, whatever you do, installing ubuntu is going to make you forget debian.
[12:16] <candyban> HiddenWolf: How so?
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> Burgundavia, it's the improvements we're lyric about
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> candyban ^
[12:17] <Jiko> evening
[12:17] <drspin> How do I configure acpi??
[12:18] <i0n_st0rm> HiddenWolf: what did you think of the link?
[12:18] <Frafra> hi
[12:18] <HiddenWolf> candyban, for me, it's sid without crashes, with a *friendly non-rtfm* community and with support/polish
[12:18] <InitMass> does hoary use X.org by default? ps -e still show that XFree86 is running
[12:18] <Neil3> hey folks i'm having a strange issue with firefox - when i go to import my old bookmarks.html file, the buttons in the dialog box it gives me have no text in them and i can't proceed
[12:18] <HiddenWolf> i0n_st0rm, can you send it again?
[12:18] <kakalto> barney, all the other files in /etc/rc2.d/ are links
[12:18] <Neil3> i have a screenshot of what's going on here: http://neil.demolish.nu/firefox.png
[12:18] <kakalto> is that fine to have a script in there?
[12:18] <catalin> if i start pc i have to reset why?
[12:18] <mikl> InitMass: that doesn't sound right
[12:18] <WeirdAl> How do I tell Ubuntu to start up with numlock on?
[12:18] <Jiko> anyone had any problems getting X running with hoary?  I seem to have an issue that logging in gives me a blank screen
[12:18] <Frafra> i've installed java for amd64, and i must create the link for work java in firefox: who can help me?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: install numlockx
[12:19] <HiddenWolf> i0n_st0rm, nm, got it
[12:19] <Jiko> I suspect its a sound problem, since I can trick it into working by killing esd
[12:19] <barney> kakalto: ok, maybe it makes more sense to put your script in /usr/local/ and make a symlink to it from /etc/rc2.d/.
[12:19] <InitMass> mikl, i know. it's strange
[12:19] <candyban> Is there anything to "clean up" your package repository?
[12:19] <kakalto> barney, how do I do a symlink?
[12:19] <barney> kakalto, sorry, /usr/local/bin/
[12:19] <candyban> After 4 years I have quite a bunch of packages installed
[12:19] <barney> kakalto: type man ln.
[12:20] <WeirdAl> ta
[12:20] <thoreauputic> barney: start up scripts should go in /etc/init.d and be updated with update-rc.d
[12:20] <kakalto> barney, man on symlinks always confuses me
[12:20] <kakalto> I never get it right
[12:20] <candyban> I currently have 1614 packages installed
[12:20] <i0n_st0rm> :)
[12:20] <InitMass> candyban, apt-get clean  i think
[12:21] <candyban> InitMass: Nope ... that's to clean up the downloaded .deb files
[12:21] <barney> kakalto: thorea.. is probabbly better informed than I am.
[12:22] <InitMass> candyban, ah i thought that was what you meant
[12:22] <kakalto> barney, it still thinks my thing is a text document
[12:22] <candyban> InitMass: dpkg -l | wc -l > 1614 ...that's about 10% of the complete debian repo, no?
[12:23] <catalin> if i start pc i have to reset why?
[12:23] <InitMass> candyban, i don't know
[12:23] <Frafra> who can help me?
[12:23] <seven_six_two> catalin, can you be more specific?
[12:23] <candyban> debforster and deborphan are not really doing the "trick" for me anymore
[12:24] <catalin> when i start on the start button ubuntu can not open
[12:24] <catalin> buit if i reset itz ok
[12:24] <barney> kakalto: did you set it as executable?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> catalin: reset what?
[12:24] <seven_six_two> on the start button, like in windows?
[12:24] <catalin> yes
[12:25] <oly> hi, can some one tell me how i can create a complete copy of my home folder, i am trying cp -r home /mnt/win1/
[12:25] <catalin> on start buton
[12:25] <seven_six_two> restart windows isn't a reboot
[12:25] <kakalto> barney, yes, but it still shows up as text file
[12:25] <catalin> and reset buton
[12:25] <oly> but am getting a load of symbolic errors
[12:25] <kakalto> bleh
[12:25] <oly> i want to keep all the settings, and files so i can restore them after a format
[12:25] <kakalto> I'll just try logging out & back in, see if it works
[12:25] <barney> kakalto, you shoudn't need to do that.
[12:26] <candyban> oly: rsync -av --delete /home /mnt/win1
[12:26] <oly> okay thanks candyban,
[12:27] <Jiko> is there a problem with hoary and sb live cards?
[12:27] <catalin> thoreauputic:witch program can i use to see a movie?
[12:27] <catalin> because i can only hear it
[12:27] <candyban> oly: once you have the /mnt/win1/home folder, you can easily "update" it (e.g. if you changed something in /home) by executing rsync -av --delete /home/. /mnt/win1/home/. (mind the /. after the directories)
[12:28] <Funraiser> I think they should drop that "linux for humain beings" line...
[12:28] <thoreauputic> catalin: you need the restricted formats / w32codecs
[12:28] <theine> kakalto: don't link from /etc/rc2.d to /usr/local/bin
[12:28] <catalin> i took them
[12:28] <thoreauputic> catalin: see www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:28] <oly> okay thats use full to know thxs candyban
[12:28] <catalin> but nothing
[12:28] <catalin> why?
[12:28] <oly> i take it i do exactly the same to restore after format
[12:28] <theine> kakalto: that's very non-standard and doesn't wotrk together with update-rc.d
[12:28] <davidw> hi
[12:28] <candyban> oly: it will only copy the changes over (should be rather fast) ... you can also make a copy over ssh ... rync really rocks :)
[12:28] <oly> just reversing the paths
[12:29] <thoreauputic> catalin: install xine-ui or totem-xine
[12:29] <davidw> how can I find exactly which debs are where in ubuntu (on the website, preferably, as I haven't installed it)
[12:29] <candyban> oly: and doesn't choke on soft/hard links like cp -a does
[12:29] <cal> hello there, just got the ubuntu 5.04 final, i can su but when i want to open root programs it says wrong password.. :(
[12:29] <cal> wat should i do? :(
[12:29] <oly> okay,
[12:29] <Jiko> cal: use sudo?
[12:29] <catalin> now i'll do that
[12:29] <theine> cal: you need to use sudo
[12:29] <cal> howto?
[12:30] <Jiko> cal: sudo <command>
[12:30] <theine> drspin: indeed
[12:30] <candyban> oly: You should run the rsync as root (to preserve file ownerships)
[12:30] <tuppa> hrm
[12:30] <tuppa> just did a dist-upgrade on hoary (looks final to me)
[12:30] <kakalto> wtf
[12:30] <tuppa> and totem has gone berserk
[12:30] <kakalto> How the heck do I make a file executable, and NOT TEXT DOCUMENT?
[12:30] <cal> but im talking from the gnome menu. e.g Ubuntu update manager>I enter my root password> INVALID PASSWORD
[12:30] <oly> one other thing whats the --delete do ?
[12:31] <oly> i just read help and dont understand :p
[12:31] <Jiko> hiya tuppa
[12:31] <theine> drspin: strange, as I thought one doesn't get these errors when using ACPI, as you obviously do...
[12:31] <candyban> kakalto: chmod +x filename
[12:31] <cal> i used su to be able to pppoeconfig and come online for this matter.. :(
[12:31] <kakalto> candyban, I did that
[12:31] <kakalto> it still thinks it's a txt document
[12:31] <kakalto> piece of junlk
[12:31] <candyban> kakalto: chmod a+x filename
[12:31] <oly> it says it deletes files that do not exist, well if they do not exist hows it going to delete them :p
[12:31] <theine> kakalto: who thinks it's a text document?
[12:31] <barney> have you tried executing it?
[12:31] <kakalto> kde
[12:31] <xukun_> I,m already using hoary, but I see now that its officaly out, do I need to reinstall?
[12:31] <kakalto> barney, I can't
[12:31] <thoreauputic> kakalto: what does  ` file <filename> say/
[12:31] <drspin> theine: these two modules are needed for ACPI to REALLY function properly... I have a DELL that's a couple years old... I think it may only have limited ACPI support...
[12:32] <theine> kakalto: "executable text documents" are called scripts...
[12:32] <sataere> hey friends, having trouble burning an iso.  Nautilus wasted an entire cd trying to burn it.  How should I go about it, from the command line?
[12:32] <kakalto> theine: scripts don't automatically open in a txt editor
[12:32] <drspin> theine: I'm going to try switching to APM as it seems that it will at least eliminate some boot errors
[12:32] <barney> kalkato, what happens if you go the directory your script is in and type ./script (or whate'ver it's called)
[12:32] <kakalto> thoreauputic, ASCII
[12:32] <kakalto> ASCII text
[12:33] <theine> kakalto: when you click on them in nautilus or what?
[12:33] <barney> sataere: you already have an iso image file?
[12:33] <theine> drspin: good luck
[12:33] <i0n_st0rm> you know.. i love kde and would consider switching to kubuntu.. but i really hate konqueror
[12:33] <candyban> oly: when you already have a copy of /home ... and you take a second rsync, --delete removes deleted files from the backup copy (so you have an identical copy) ... without --delete, it will only add stuff to the backup
[12:33] <thoreauputic> kakalto: what does ls -l <filename> say ?
[12:33] <sataere> barney, Yes.  I need to burn it to a cd and be bootable.
[12:33] <barney> sataere: try cdrecord -v foo.iso
[12:33] <kakalto> thoreauputic, alias jinputx='. jinputx'
[12:33] <barney> if that doesn't work try cdrecord --scanbus
[12:33] <kakalto> wf:FWOEJ
[12:33] <kakalto> thoreauputic, not that
[12:33] <xukun_> anybody here using dell inspiron 8200 laptop?
[12:34] <kakalto> piece of junkl
[12:34] <drspin> theine: thanks man
[12:34] <kakalto> -rwxr-xr-x  1 kakalto kakalto 109 2005-04-09 22:09 /home/kakalto/.kde/Autostart/jinputx
[12:34] <kakalto> thoreauputic,  ^
[12:34] <oly> okay, thxs candyban makes sense now, :)
[12:34] <theine> drspin: you're welcome
[12:34] <candyban> kakalto: your file starts with #!/command right?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> kakalto: it's already executable then
[12:34] <slept> I'm trying to get 3d-acceleration to work, what is a good number of FPS for Radeon9200 with glxgears ?
[12:34] <kakalto> then why does it open in a txt editor on startup
[12:34] <barney> those three x's show that it's exeutable (by you, anyone in your group and anyone at all)
[12:34] <kakalto> I want it to run the script
[12:35] <theine> kakalto: it opens in a txt editor on startup???
[12:35] <kakalto> YES!
[12:35] <theine> kakalto: what are you talking about?
[12:35] <kakalto> THAT'S THE PROBLEM
[12:35] <candyban> kakalto: run it as ./command
[12:35] <kakalto> candyban, how do I get it to do that on startup?
[12:36] <barney> so KDE opens it in text editor instead of running it.
[12:36] <kakalto> yes
[12:36] <barney> strange.
[12:36] <kakalto> and it's pissing me off
[12:36] <sataere> barney, if gives me the error "cannot open /dev/pg*"
[12:36] <thoreauputic> kakalto: we can tell...
[12:36] <kakalto> it starts with  #!/bin/bash
[12:37] <candyban> kakalto:  dunno ... you should checkout which program launches for the (default?) extension of your script
[12:37] <kakalto> what extension should it be?
[12:37] <barney> ah, you might need to be root, or put 'sudo' before those commands.
[12:37] <theine> kakalto: .sh
[12:37] <jirwin> hello
[12:37] <kakalto> #%@$$^@#%
[12:37] <kakalto> It would have been nice to know that from teh start
[12:37] <jirwin> is there a reason that when I try to edit my crontab it says permission denied?
[12:37] <theine> kakalto: i.e. jinputx.sh
[12:37] <sataere> barney, I su'd and it gave me the same error.
[12:37] <barney> read the cdrecord man page, it tells you how to set cdrecord 'suid', i.e. to substitue the root user id when you run it.
[12:37] <kakalto> BRB
[12:37] <candyban> kakalto: probably you have something like extension * => open with kate or something
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kakalto: it isn't necessary actually
[12:38] <i0n_st0rm> jirwin: sudo?
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kakalto: normally you would execute it with ./script
[12:38] <linux_galore> jirwin: sudo vim /path/to/file
[12:38] <jirwin> i0n_st0rm, wouldn't that give me a root crontab...that isn't what I want
[12:38] <vague> hello. has anyone a registration key file for turboprint??
[12:38] <barney> jiwin, yes, to stop you messing up you system by mistake.
[12:38] <i0n_st0rm> jirwin: you have to have root permission via sudo to do it
[12:38] <theine> kakalto: it would be very strange if KDE requires the scripts in autostart to have a .sh extension...
[12:38] <theine> kakalto: but it's worth a try I guess...
[12:39] <candyban> kakalto: wb
[12:39] <candyban> kakalto: you missed out on a lot of comments for you :)
[12:39] <theine> kakalto: what does jinputx do btw?
[12:39] <kakalto> YAY
[12:39] <kakalto> FINALLY
[12:39] <kakalto> took long enough to get that working
[12:39] <jirwin> barney, if it is an underprivledged user that wants to setup a repeating task...?
[12:39] <davidw> I'm curious - how can I find exactly which debs are where in ubuntu (on the website, preferably, as I haven't installed it)?
[12:39] <i0n_st0rm> what the..
[12:39] <davidw> thanks
[12:39] <kakalto> theine, it's a small script to run kinput2 -canna for japanese writing support
[12:40] <barney> jiwin: edit your crontab with the crontab command
[12:40] <theine> kakalto: ah, i see
[12:40] <barney> crontab -e
[12:40] <jirwin> yes I know
[12:40] <candyban> kakalto: The reason is that .sh is associated with /bin/sh ... so when you open a .sh file, it will execute
[12:40] <jirwin> it tells me permission denied
[12:40] <theine> kakalto: so it the reason why it wasn't working really was the missing .sh extension?
[12:40] <barney> on this system that doesn't need any privileges.
[12:40] <candyban> kakalto: perhaps you can check with #kde or something how to configure kde so it will check the filepermissions first
[12:40] <slept> vague : yes, but unless you  have a canon printer you don't want one
[12:40] <kakalto> and yet it expects that EXECUTABLE FILE should be opened in a txt editor?
[12:41] <vague> i have a canon ip1500
[12:41] <jirwin> barney, i didn't think so
[12:41] <thoreauputic> candyban: KDE is pretty dumb if it can't run a bash script without an sh suffix
[12:41] <resiak> slept: Have you complained to Canon?
[12:41] <jirwin> barney, but it is telling me permission denied
[12:41] <thoreauputic> seems unlikely...
[12:41] <kakalto> candyban, #kde is stupid, the people are retarded (backwards, I mean)
[12:41] <vague> can you give it to me please?
[12:41] <jirwin> barney, "crontabs/usr: Permission Denied"
[12:41] <candyban> thoreauputic: depends ... if you told it to behave that way ... then it's not "stupid"
[12:41] <thoreauputic> candyban: true
[12:41] <jirwin> barney, where 'usr' is my username
[12:42] <kakalto> candyban, it shouldn't be set that way by default, IMO
[12:42] <hackeron> clicking on the sample sources.list says file not found - any ideas? - http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories
[12:42] <slept> no, not yet for now I feel fine with 600dpi provided by foomatic driver which is free
[12:42] <Daehlie> you should get a better username if usr is your username
[12:42] <WeirdAl> Someone remind me how to apt-get the kernel source?
[12:42] <jirwin> Daehlie, it isn't
[12:42] <barney> thank you Daehle.
[12:42] <jirwin> i just replaced it
[12:43] <candyban> kakalto: do you prefer to double click on a README and afterwards notice it started with #!/bin/bash rm -fr /home/`whoami` ?
[12:43] <jirwin> i meant to type user*
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Daehlie: heh - like "Bruce" ( monty python reference0
[12:43] <kakalto> candyban, README's aren't usually marked EXECUTABLE, are they?
[12:43] <sataere> barney, Why does it need to mess with suid?  I'm not finding any info in the manpage :(
[12:43] <vague> slept: how can i get my ip1500 running without turboprint? :(
[12:44] <thoreauputic> candyban: nautilus gets around thet by asking if you want to execute or read
[12:44] <candyban> kakalto: if you extract a tar file, why not? ... because it's usually not done, doesn't mean it can't happen ... who would send an executable program to your mailbox which would do something malicious to your pc?
[12:44] <slept> vague : don't know, is it canon ? I have never heard about ip1500
[12:44] <shining> hi
[12:44] <kakalto> candyban, I suppose...
[12:44] <kakalto> but extension-reliance?
[12:45] <kakalto> HAVE TO HAVE .SH!!!
[12:45] <candyban> kakalto: no ... it does not rely on the extension
[12:45] <shining> the ubuntu installer detects atheros wifi card just fine, but it seems that dhcp doesnt work at all
[12:45] <vague> it is a canon PIXMA IP 1500 and with turboprint it works. but not in colour with the free version
[12:45] <candyban> kakalto: it's just that kde associates an extension with a particular interpreter
[12:45] <shining> is it a known bug ? are there workarounds to enable network ?
[12:45] <hackeron> what are the ubuntu backports repositories?
[12:46] <candyban> kakalto: perhaps the "file" command would be better than just the extension
[12:46] <barney> sataere: it's there in the man page. type man cdrecord and then hit slash, type suid and press return
[12:46] <resiak> vague: So ... you buy it.
[12:46] <kakalto> blehh.
[12:46] <kakalto> I need sleep
[12:46] <thoreauputic> kakalto: I think you'll find if you remove the .sh it will still run on KDE startup
[12:46] <kakalto> I don't
[12:46] <kakalto> >:(
[12:46] <vague> but is there nobody whos has the registration file and can give it to my?
[12:46] <kakalto> anyways,I'm heading to bed.
[12:46] <barney> sataere: it needs to be root to get proper acess to the device.
[12:46] <kakalto> goodnight.
[12:47] <kakalto> and  
[12:47] <slept> vague: have you tried foomatic, on linuxprinting.org you can find out if it si supported
[12:47] <jirwin> so can anyone give me an answer on my crontab problem?
[12:47] <sataere> barney, ah I skipped over it.  It just says that it can be safely suid'd root, I didn't think that was it.  >.<
[12:47] <sataere> barney, sorry, it's 7 in the morning here and I haven't slept
[12:47] <thoreauputic> kakalto: I hope that was a friendly message :) Good night !
[12:48] <chefkoch-2002> i cant install gnome-mixer, of cause apt cant find the package. i am using hoary on an amd64 arch. i have a universe in my sources.lists, but no success
[12:48] <kakalto> thoreauputic, it was. (goodnight in japanese)
[12:48] <chefkoch-2002> is there a solution?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> kakalto: Bonne nuit!
[12:48] <vague> i'm on the page. but where can i find foomatic?
[12:48] <barney> sataere, ok. It's annoying that you need to be root to do something that doesn't change your system, but there we are.
[12:48] <thoreauputic> kakalto: :)
[12:48] <kakalto> thoreauputic,  :D
[12:48] <vague> ah i've found it
[12:48] <barney> sataere: so can you burn your cd now?
[12:49] <sataere> barney, but I am root, I su'd and it does the same thing
[12:49] <pdk001> hi
[12:49] <barney> did you try cdrecord --scanbus?
[12:49] <pdk001> is here ubuntu chatting room?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> barney: won't work on 2.6 kernels
[12:50] <pifou> someone has proble with keyboard layout in X/gnome ?
[12:50] <cal> wats the default sudo password?
[12:50] <candyban> Will ubuntu recognize my RAID disk?
[12:50] <pifou> someone has probleM with keyboard layout in X/gnome ?
[12:50] <candyban> it's software raid
[12:50] <thoreauputic> barney: relies on scsi emulation, which is deprecated
[12:50] <sataere> thoreauputic, cdrecord won't work on 2.6 ? ;.;
[12:50] <Jiko> cal: your password
[12:50] <slept> vague : you  can simply apt-get it
[12:50] <thoreauputic> sataere: surre it will
[12:50] <vague> but foomatic is installed on my ubuntu-system
[12:50] <cal> the password during the install? but i can only su with that
[12:50] <thoreauputic> sataere: cdrecord --scanbus won't
[12:51] <barney> thoreauputic: oh yeah - so how do you burn cds now?
[12:51] <sataere> thoreauputic, ah
[12:51] <Jiko> cal: the whole point of sudo is for you to run commands as root, using your own users password
[12:51] <vague> synaptic says it is installed
[12:51] <cal> sudo tell me wrong password.. :( :( :(
[12:51] <Jiko> cal: the password you log in with?
[12:51] <barney> thanks.
[12:51] <thoreauputic> barney: I just use gnomebaker :)
[12:51] <thoreauputic> barney: but it's something like cdrecord /dev/hdc now
[12:52] <cal> the password i for my user accnt when i put it nothing happens
[12:52] <candyban> barney: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc
[12:52] <slept> vague : now you have to select the printer if you are using cups you have to connect to localhost:631 with a browser
[12:52] <thoreauputic> candyban: thanks :)
[12:52] <slept> barney cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc
[12:53] <sataere> candyban, thankyouthankyouthankyou
[12:53] <barney> slept & vague: ubuntu seems to disable the web admin interface of cups, and tells you to use the gnome-tools.
[12:53] <cal> *child terminated with 1 status when i try to enter root terminal
[12:53] <netdur> do anyone knows how much ram I need to have usable xorg with shadow'?
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> cal are you in the first account created?
[12:54] <cal> yea
[12:54] <davidw> packages.ubuntu.com is what I was looking for
[12:54] <davidw> odd that it's so hard to find from the front page
[12:54] <davidw> that zope web stuff isnt' my favorite
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> try using a normal termainal and going sudo bash
[12:54] <vague> and where can i get  the information what driver i have to chose in cups?
[12:55] <cal> "Sorry, try again" on sudo bash :(
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you rename/change the first made account cal?
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds like your not in the sudo file
[12:56] <thoreauputic> cal, using your user password?
[12:56] <cal> no, using my first accnt everything still genuine, just finished installing
[12:56] <davidw> "Package Selection Proposal" w/google only reveals one page that refers to it but doesn't say what it is
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> that thoreauputic said then cal
[12:56] <thoreauputic> cal, try sudo -s with your user password
[12:57] <vague> and where can i get  the information what driver i have to chose in cups?
[12:57] <jesper> vague: try going to http://localhost:631/
[12:57] <Ben2004uk> morning all
[12:57] <thoreauputic> jesper: blocked by default in ubuntu
[12:57] <jesper> Ben2004uk: morning
[12:57] <sataere> Ben2004uk, Morning Ben.
[12:58] <jesper> thoreauputic: wasn't aware..
[12:58] <vague> i cant. because ubuntu tells you you must admin that over the gnome applikation
[12:58] <cal> "cal is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." from command su -s
[12:58] <thoreauputic> cal, Ok you have a problem
[12:58] <thoreauputic> cal, you need to edit the sudoers file using visudo
[12:59] <thoreauputic> cal, you will need to use the safe or repair mode or whatever it's called
[12:59] <sataere> Ben2004uk, isn't it nearly afternoon there?
[01:00] <cal> yea?
[01:00] <cal> so login in the safe mode thing, then..?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> cal, are you the default user/ only user?
[01:00] <vague> hm.?
[01:01] <davidw> ok, this registration faq thing doesn't exist
[01:01] <thoreauputic> cal, you need root privileges to edit sudoers, so you need that shell
[01:01] <candyban> Perhaps it's time to clean up my complete pc? ... I have about 800G in use ... only 200G free anymore :(
[01:01] <davidw> this web site has problems
[01:01] <davidw> is there someone here who I can list them to?
[01:01] <davidw> or an email address?
[01:01] <cal> yea default/only user
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> candyban ... 1Tb data?
[01:02] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: 1 TB of storage yes
[01:02] <thoreauputic> cal, you will need to choose that option from grub on boot up and then do visudo
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> fuck. where do you come from?
[01:02] <cal> so then wat do i add inside?
[01:02] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: from my mothers womb?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> calI suggest you look at man sudo and man visudo first
[01:02] <vague> does nobody have a solution for my problem?
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> candyban. ok. the stalk dropped me off
[01:03] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: stalk?
[01:03] <cal> ok
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> stalk. bird
[01:03] <thoreauputic> cal, it should have   cal ALL=(ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers
[01:03] <Ben2004uk> sataere: Ssshhh ;)
[01:03] <candyban> ah
[01:03] <sataere> Kamping_Kaiser, telenet.be, looks like belgium to me
[01:04] <Ben2004uk> this is going to sound a silly question but dont have a go at me - but who/what is SCO?
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> realy? sataere
[01:04] <candyban> Ben2004uk: bwahaha :)
[01:04] <candyban> Ben2004uk: It's better to ask what it used to be :)
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ben2004uk its a software company
[01:04] <cal> mkay, roger that, dats all i need to do?
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> they make a unix varient
[01:04] <thoreauputic> Ben2004uk: the scumbag company suing IBM who say they own Linux
[01:04] <topyli> ben0ne: they own the original at&t unix code. or not. depends on who you ask
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> and caldra linux
[01:06] <Ben2004uk> so apart from suing people - i remember reading that - what do they do?? anything??
[01:06] <thoreauputic> cal, that should solve it, yes - have you looked to see what's in /etc/sudoers now?
[01:06] <Ben2004uk> ive never heard of caldra linux
[01:06] <davidw> caldera
[01:06] <candyban> Ben2004uk: It's quite complicated actually ... old SCO is now tarantala (or soemthing) ... and caldera has become SCO ... Novell sold some rights of Unix to (old) SCO ... however caldera made some deal with old sco when they became sco that they could take over unix code
[01:06] <Ben2004uk> lol
[01:06] <cal> no i need to login safe mode first?
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> only root can open sudoers
[01:07] <thoreauputic> cal, to edit the file, yes
[01:07] <sataere> Ben2004uk, Caldera is old.  I used to have a copy of Caldera OpenLinux, it had the greatest installer in history - they let you play tetris while you waited. :)
[01:07] <cal> hey or cant i su in user terminal?
[01:07] <cal> and use nano to edit it?
[01:07] <kent> hmm, rhythmbox with xine-engine sucks bigtime. It crashes while importing mp3-files :(  I tried compiling it from the ubuntu archive with -xine engine. Has any one got a working deb-file that *works* with xine? I need to be able to play realaudio from radiochannels :(
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: right, I was forgetting :)
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:07] <candyban> Ben2004uk: then (new) SCO noticed some identical code (+ comments) when comparing Unix to Linux ... so they assumed IBM (who also had access to Unix code) put it into Linux so they were suing for "damages" of 2 Billion $
[01:07] <InitMass> how do i get swedish keyboard layout if i'm not using gnome?
[01:08] <imka> hi
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi imka
[01:08] <Ben2004uk> candyban: they likly to win??
[01:08] <candyban> Ben2004uk: However the code they produced was either public domain code or code which was not theirs ...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> cal, you have a root password already?
[01:08] <Ben2004uk> so there trying to sue for something which wasnt theres in the first place??
[01:08] <topyli> ah, the good old unix wars are back!
[01:08] <candyban> Ben2004uk: nope ... the way they interpret "derivative works" is a bit too loose
[01:08] <pvh> I'm looking for a very simple desktop hack.
[01:08] <pvh> I want the new google maps as my background.
[01:08] <pvh> Interactively.
[01:09] <pvh> How cool would _THAT_ be?
[01:09] <imka> i've installed the rc about a week ago, everything was fine. yesterday i updated and esd stopped working. it's complaining that /dev/dsp doesnt exist. i've checked, i don't have any dsp* under /dev
[01:09] <cal> yea, i can su in user terminal, so? i do it from therE?
[01:09] <imka> alsa works fine, i just need esound for gaim and such
[01:09] <sataere> Ben2004uk, the history of unix in the last 15 years has been frought with bitter rivalry and petty squabbles like this.  That's why GNU came about, and pretty much the same for linux.  :)
[01:09] <imka> any ideas?^^
[01:09] <candyban> Ben2004uk: The judge also gave them a fierce warning that they would have to produce some actual infringing code otherwise they would be "in trouble" ... also SCO failed to produce some 10k filing or something so they were delisted from Nasdaq
[01:10] <thoreauputic> cal, how did you get into this mess? you aren't supposed to have a root password by default...
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yeh
[01:10] <sataere> Ben2004uk, as soon as unix was regarded as a possible commercial venture it was fought over
[01:10] <thoreauputic> cal, if you have a root password, you can edit /etc/sudoers
[01:10] <topyli> bottom line: sco has no real product and are dying. it's high time the owners cash in whatever it takes.
[01:10] <imka> how can i tell esd to use another device? how can i try which device works?
[01:10] <cal> yea already edited, i need to restart to get it workin?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> cal, but the recommended method is to use visudo
[01:11] <cal> i dunt know dude, i just followed the installation
[01:11] <thoreauputic> cal, you shouldn't need to, no
[01:11] <carambol> hi...how i change the brown splashscreen in Gnome
[01:11] <carambol> ?
[01:11] <cal> boot: expert disable_dhcp bla bla bla..
[01:11] <topyli> carambol: in gconf-editor
[01:11] <thoreauputic> cal, did you use an "expert" option in the installer or something?
[01:11] <carambol> ok thx
[01:11] <candyban> Ben2004uk: I think they wanted to be bought by IBM ... and they bluffed with some code (which they failed to check it was theirs in the first place) ... once they started to go to court, they couldn't back out again cos otherwise they would make themselve liable ... so they are trying to postpone the inevitable as long as possible
[01:12] <mrzac> I just installed ubuntu for the first time and I deleted the top panel by mistake. I created another top panel but I would prefer the default one. Is there any way to bring it back or do I must rebuild it by hand from screenshots?
[01:12] <davidw> ARGH
[01:12] <thoreauputic> cal, ah, that explains it...
[01:12] <Ben2004uk> candyban: Oh right
[01:12] <cal> oh so it's bad?
[01:13] <cal> coz the installer was configuring dhcp, pcimca blabla.. didn't need all that..
[01:13] <thoreauputic> cal, when you do the expert install, it expects you to be an expert ;-)
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch. cals got problems
[01:13] <cal> hahah, yea but i can actually manage, the whole sudo is new to me dats y.. :P
[01:13] <sataere> mrzac, It's not hard, just add the gnome menu, the system tray and the clock, and any other shortcuts you want
[01:14] <Ben2004uk> candyban: :thanks for the info
[01:14] <candyban> Ben2004uk: Guess who licensed the Unix code in Linux for their own use?  ... "Microsoft", "Sun" for a couple of millions of dollars (which they needed to fund their lawsuit with IBM and spread "bad" publicity for Linux)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> cal, OK if you got the sudoers file right sudo should now work
[01:14] <cal> hey yeah!! LD
[01:14] <cal> LD
[01:14] <cal> :D
[01:14] <cal> thanks dudes! :)
[01:14] <candyban> Ben2004uk: Reading the SCO section on Slashdot is quite a good read :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> cal, no problem :)
[01:15] <candyban> Ben2004uk: or if you prefer the more legal approach checkout groklaw
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats hte command to list running deamons? not top, hte other...
[01:15] <sataere> Well, off to install gentoo, catch you all in a few. :)
[01:15] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: ps ?
[01:15] <jesper> Kamping_Kaiser: ps auxww
[01:15] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: ps -axf
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks ppl
[01:16] <Neil3> kick it like the kaiser
[01:16] <Neil3> :)
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks all. need that to kill xmms ;)
[01:16] <jesper> Kamping_Kaiser: no..
[01:16] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: killall -9 xmms
[01:17] <jesper> Just use "killall xmms"
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats -9?
[01:17] <xukun_> this is what I get after installing the nvidia-glx drivers. any idea's? http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~ahassan/photo/
[01:17] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: SIGTKILL
[01:17] <candyban> SIGKILL
[01:17] <jesper> Kamping_Kaiser: the signalnumber you're sending
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. thanks
[01:17] <mrzac> is there any nice tool for mounting filesystems somewhere in Ubuntu or do I have to use the terminal?
[01:17] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: -15 is default SIGNAL ... which is SIGTERM
[01:17] <jesper> Kamping_Kaiser: man 7 signal
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta jespter
[01:18] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: SIGTERM asks the command to close itself ... SIGKILL will tell your kernel to kill off the process and clean it up
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so sigterm is better for a first try?
[01:19] <seven_six_two> mrzac, you should do it by hand, or add it to fstab
[01:19] <jesper> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[01:19] <lesshaste> hi.. is it possible to upgrade from one ubuntu version to another without reinstalling?
[01:19] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: it's asking the process nicely to close ... while -9 is using the axe directly ... depends what is your nature :)
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) the latter candyban
[01:21] <Pizbit> Anyone else having problems with their mouse doing microfreezes and being incredibly sluggish random?
[01:21] <InitMass> how do i start a root terminal when not using gnome?
[01:21] <candyban> Kamping_Kaiser: It usually depends on the application ... you probably want to use -15 on a word document which you were working for 6 hours without saving ....
[01:21] <Pizbit> InitMass: Just do: sudo su or sudo -s
[01:21] <candyban> Just open a regular terminal and type "su -"
[01:22] <theine> candyban: won't work since root account is disabled by default
[01:22] <InitMass> Pizbit, but i don't want to type sudo in front of every command
[01:22] <blight> anyone know if there is a GTK frontend to svn?
[01:22] <candyban> Hmmz ... an LCD without sub pixel rendering reads horrible
[01:22] <Pizbit> InitMass: You wont be
[01:22] <theine> InitMass: then type 'sudo -s' once...
[01:22] <candyban> theine: oh ... right ... it's ubuntu :)
[01:22] <Pizbit> InitMass: You asked how to do it, I told you, why would I tell you something else?:P
[01:22] <pifou> hi
[01:22] <pifou> my ubuntu crashed again
[01:23] <Pizbit> pifou: Locked up but mouse moves?
[01:23] <pifou> while surfing with firefox, the PC stop responding except for mouse movements
[01:23] <InitMass> Pizbit, thank you
[01:23] <lesshaste> is this link really empty?? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq
[01:23] <InitMass> theine, thank you
[01:23] <pifou> pizbit: you're quite fast
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> pifou can you still get the terminals?
[01:23] <m0ns00n> Hello!
[01:23] <jackito> buenas
[01:23] <Pizbit> pifou: It's a problem with the version of nvidia-glx, check the bugzilla I'm sure there's a billion more reports on it by now
[01:23] <mikl> how do you make apache publish users' public_html-folders as server.domain.com/~user/?
[01:24] <m0ns00n> I had a distupgrade, and now both gnome and kde won't load
[01:24] <InitMass> Pizbit, theine you don't happen to know how to get my swedish keyboard layout working?
[01:24] <pifou> pizbit: ok, thanks
[01:24] <nauj27> hello
[01:24] <pifou> Kamping: no, nothing except mouse moves
[01:24] <Pizbit> pifou: Personally I'd just grab the 6629 set from nvidia.com :)
[01:24] <m0ns00n> xfce works kinda, but the panel crashes when I try to access wm settings or gui settings
[01:24] <Pizbit> In fact that is what I've done:)
[01:24] <no0tic> mikl: just try to create a directory public_html in your /home dir
[01:24] <candyban> oh ... it's only 200 DVDs
[01:24] <candyban> great :)
[01:24] <shining> candyban: how do u copy?
[01:25] <pifou> pizbit: so updating my module with the nvidia installer would do the trick ?
[01:25] <theine> InitMass: Using sudo becomes a lot more convenient when you enable bash completion by sourcing /etc/bash_completion in your ~/.bashrc
[01:25] <candyban> shining: ?
[01:25] <m0ns00n> Anyone else had a problem with dist-upgrade today?
[01:25] <candyban> shining: mkisofs and cdrecord
[01:25] <lesshaste> if so, where is the FAQ??
[01:25] <Pizbit> pifou: You'd actually be downgrading the nvidia driver version, but yeah, don't forget to uninstall nvidia-glx
[01:25] <shining> candyban: hmm its only data?
[01:25] <candyban> shining: most of it already is .iso anyways (dvd movies)
[01:25] <Pizbit> pifou: You'll need the build-essential package installed and your kernel headers
[01:26] <candyban> shining: and about 200G of mp3s
[01:26] <shining> candyban: how did you make the iso?
[01:26] <shining> candyban: dl?
[01:26] <candyban> shining: dd if=/dev/dvd of=/mnt/raid0/movie.iso
[01:26] <lesshaste> ok last time.. can anyone help me with the ubuntu website? It seems to be empty in important sections..
[01:26] <candyban> shining: or dvdbackup
[01:27] <padlefot> can i dist-upgrade from hoary to the newer dist now?
[01:27] <candyban> shining: or acidrip
[01:27] <candyban> shining: or dvdshrink
[01:27] <Ben2004uk> right i have a problem, i need to reorganise my network. I have 4 machines here, ibook, sony vaio(being used a media centre atm playing files off main pc), xp P4 (main machine), duron running ubuntu......i have different files, bookmarks, apps, servers on all of these machines and i would like to put them all on one machine on the network but i need access to them when not connected to the network - use vaio and iboo
[01:27] <Pizbit> padlefot: Lol, the newer one doesn't even exist yet
[01:27] <Pizbit> padlefot: Nevermind it'll be unstable as hell for a fair while
[01:27] <shining> candyban: for the first thing, you need 7g dvd
[01:27] <pifou> pizbit: bit nvidia-glx isn't even installed on my system
[01:27] <shining> candyban: dvdbackup seems to be the way, but its not very easy
[01:27] <padlefot> Pizbit: thanx (-:
[01:28] <padlefot> whats its name again?
[01:28] <Pizbit> pifou: Ah, just using the new version of the nvidia.com set then?:) I'd just assumed.
[01:28] <thoreauputic> lesshaste: hmm - no FAQs at all here either - not good
[01:28] <shining> candyban: acidrip is for creating divx, isnt it? the only friendly way I found is indeed dvd shrink, but I don't have windows
[01:28] <lesshaste> thoreauputic, the website seems strangely empty.. it is always like that?
[01:28] <candyban> shining: it runs on wine
[01:28] <thoreauputic> lesshaste: recent update - bugs I think
[01:29] <shining> candyban: I had a known issue with it, I couldnt read the dvd
[01:29] <candyban> shining: btw. I have many friends with windows :)
[01:29] <lesshaste> thoreauputic, ah! Hope someone fixes it soon
[01:29] <deFrysk> carambol,  update-alternatives --config desktop-splash en niet weer zo ongeduldig he ;p
[01:29] <InitMass> theine, if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ] ; then    . /etc/bash_completion     is this how it should be?
[01:29] <shining> candyban: the few workarounds I found didn't work
[01:29] <candyban> shining: you have to mount it first IIRC
[01:29] <shining> candyban: hmm ok
[01:29] <candyban> and start playing a part of the movie (and press pause or something)
[01:29] <shining> candyban: well I would prefer a native way a lot more
[01:30] <theine> InitMass: yes, just uncomment those 3 lines
[01:30] <shining> candyban: I should learn the dvd backup way, or maybe use a script based on it
[01:30] <candyban> shining: anyways ... dd works fine for me (when you have friends with dvdshrink) :)
[01:30] <candyban> shining: dvdbackup is quite simple
[01:30] <murtun> hey all
[01:30] <thoreauputic> lesshaste: I reported it in #ubuntu-devel just now
[01:31] <lesshaste> thx...
[01:31] <shining> candyban: you found docs for it?
[01:31] <InitMass> theine, thank you. i missed the last line so that's why i had some problems. now sudo works much better
[01:31] <candyban> shining: dvdbackup -i /dev/dvd -o . -M
[01:31] <lesshaste> thoreauputic, just gone over there to listen in :)
[01:31] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:31] <shining> candyban: well this is only the first step
[01:31] <theine> InitMass: also lots of other stuff, do you use ssh for example?
[01:31] <shining> candyban: then you need to compress the video, make the dvd fs and burn it
[01:31] <thoreauputic> lesshaste: they are checking
[01:31] <InitMass> theine, not often at all
[01:32] <InitMass> theine, most important now is to get the swedish keyboard layout to work
[01:32] <candyban> shining: mkisofs usually does the trick (except compress) ...
[01:32] <theine> InitMass: in case you do, you can just type 'ssh <first_few_letters>', hit <TAB> and it will complete the ssh server...
[01:32] <candyban> shining: once again ... it's great to have friends with windows (and dvdshrink)
[01:32] <jesper> TB drives.. jeezz
[01:32] <shining> candyban: well this is exactly the not very easy step
[01:33] <shining> candyban: I know that, I already used it
[01:33] <shining> candyban: then you can't copy a dvd urself
[01:33] <shining> it's great indeed
[01:33] <joha> Hi all
[01:33] <theine> InitMass: what's the problem regarding the keyboard layout?
[01:33] <seven_six_two> yes you can
[01:33] <seven_six_two> copy a dvd and shrink it
[01:33] <candyban> shining: :) ... it has an additional advantage ... you share your dvd's with your friends ... And your friends with you
[01:34] <candyban> shining: btw. Doesn't acidrip compress when you do a "raw copy"?
[01:34] <joha> I've done the upgrade to Hoary now, but GNOME always takes about five minutes to log in, hanging at starting the window manager. I've even tried making a new user and there it's the same.
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> amarok keeps hitting 100% cup useage and not doing anything. anyone else had that?
[01:34] <shining> candyban: I don't know, I thought it was only for creating video files
[01:34] <Pizbit> Kamping_Kaiser: Is this only while paused?
[01:34] <shining> candyban: like dvdrip
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> pizbit. thats when doing media library clean or make
[01:35] <seven_six_two> that won't make a video dvd
[01:35] <seven_six_two> use dvdrip to copy files to hd
[01:35] <theine> joha: do you use a different window manager than metacity?
[01:35] <joha> theine: No
[01:35] <seven_six_two> then mplayer to split audio and video
[01:35] <shining> seven_six_two: yep
[01:36] <shining> seven_six_two: hmm how do u do that?
[01:36] <theine> joha: hmmm, but you are using hoary?
[01:36] <seven_six_two> requantize the video and remux them
[01:36] <joha> theine: Yes, I upgraded over night.
[01:36] <shining> seven_six_two: do you have a howto or something for it?
[01:36] <candyban> shining: dvdbackup removes the css encryption ... so once you make an iso out of it and mount it in wine, your problem with dvdshrink would not occur anymore
[01:36] <joha> theine: From a regularly updated Warty system.
[01:36] <Pizbit> Kamping_Kaiser: Hrm
[01:36] <seven_six_two> hold on a sec
[01:36] <thesamet> I have Hoary 5.04. In some point the gnome menus disappeared from the top panel. How do I get them back?
[01:36] <Pizbit> Kamping_Kaiser: Try nuking your collection.db
[01:36] <theine> joha: and there weren't any severe conflicts?
[01:37] <InitMass> theine, now i'm using english layout for the keyboard and i like to use swedish
[01:37] <shining> candyban: hmm yep, I could try that
[01:37] <shining> candyban: it still isnt a native way :)
[01:37] <seven_six_two> http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/en/single/index.html
[01:37] <theine> InitMass: I suggest to have a look at System -> Preferences -> Keyboard layouts
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> pizbit. re ran the firstime wizzard. not sure if i did it first time or not
[01:37] <seven_six_two> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/AV/consumer-video-to-dvd.html
[01:37] <InitMass> theine, i'm not using gnome
[01:37] <theine> Oh
[01:37] <Pizbit> Kamping_Kaiser: There's always #amarok :)
[01:37] <InitMass> theine, when i use gnome it works but i want to use fluxbox instead
[01:37] <seven_six_two> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=308
[01:38] <seven_six_two> http://www.ns-linux.org/?q=node/220
[01:38] <seven_six_two> http://www.tappin.me.uk/Linux/dvd.html
[01:38] <seven_six_two> http://www.gecius.de/linux/dvd.html
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) ture
[01:38] <theine> InitMass: Then you can set it in xorg.conf
[01:38] <Burgundavia> seven_six_two, use thoggen. For most things, it does very well
[01:38] <seven_six_two> a combination will show you how to do it
[01:38] <InitMass> theine, one strange things is that, when i type ps -e it still show that XFree86 is running
[01:38] <seven_six_two> you can convert avi to a video dvd with tovid
[01:38] <joha> theine: None of which werent solved by apt-get -f install
[01:38] <InitMass> theine, and i can't see anything about X.org
[01:39] <theine> joha: did you look in synaptic whether there's something wrong/broken?
[01:40] <theine> InitMass: That shouldn't be, did you do a fresh Hoary install?
[01:40] <InitMass> theine, no, i upgraded from warty
[01:40] <theine> InitMass: And you restarted the Xserver afterwards?
[01:40] <joha> theine: There isn
[01:40] <joha> theine: There isn't.
[01:40] <InitMass> theine, changed the lines in sources.list from warty to hoary and then apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:41] <theine> joha: hmmm, no idea what's wrong then... sorry
[01:41] <seven_six_two> thoggen only converts to theora?
[01:41] <InitMass> theine, yes i have restarted it
[01:41] <shining> seven_six_two: thx for all the links
[01:41] <seven_six_two> no prob. it took me many many hours to find them
[01:41] <theine> InitMass: Have you looked in synaptic whether there are still some upgradable packages?
[01:41] <shining> I only knew the first
[01:42] <shining> seven_six_two: I had one other though : http://dvd.chevelless230.com/dvdbackup.html
[01:43] <shining> seven_six_two: there is a link to the second step in this page
[01:44] <theine> InitMass: are there?
[01:44] <InitMass> theine, i
[01:44] <InitMass> theine, i'm looking
[01:44] <seven_six_two> bunkus?
[01:45] <InitMass> theine, apt-get upgrade shows that fglrx-control netpanzer x-window-system-core are not upgraded
[01:45] <ckiewiet_> erm
[01:45] <ckiewiet_> how can I copy-paste something from terminal?
[01:46] <theine> InitMass: that's the problem i guess
[01:46] <knubbzel> using xterm, I select and press several common buttons
[01:46] <knubbzel> but it doesn't copy :(
[01:46] <shining> knubbzel: select and middle mouse for pasting
[01:46] <knubbzel> omg, you rock :)
[01:46] <InitMass> theine, how do i get over it?
[01:46] <knubbzel> thanks
[01:46] <shining> knubbzel: lol I don' rock at all. its the first thing u learn
[01:46] <theine> InitMass: use synaptic, hit reload, mark all upgradable packages and do a smart-upgrade (equivalent to dist-upgrade) and look for any error messages
[01:47] <knubbzel> shining, hm, but that only works inside the terminal
[01:47] <knubbzel> you can't carry the thing you selected to X-Chat
[01:47] <shining> knubbzel: no
[01:47] <knubbzel> / choose your -tits name! // knubbze -> minitits, dollar -> bigtits, ufear -> notits, bsd -> fufufishtits, amr -> mmmtits, scopeh -> pyramidtits, yournick -> tits? //
[01:47] <knubbzel> thats what I have in my clipboard
[01:47] <pvh> Is there some way I can run a web-page as my background?
[01:47] <knubbzel> but it isn't
[01:47] <shining> shining: it should work
[01:47] <thoreauputic> knubbzel: it works to paste to outside apps as well
[01:47] <knubbzel> in xterm the correct thing is in clipboard
[01:47] <shining> try again
[01:47] <Funraiser> InitMass, the coolest: just highlight what u want to copy, then go where to copy, and click with the middle button,that's it
[01:48] <knubbzel> / choose your -tits name! // knubbze -> minitits, dollar -> bigtits, ufear -> notits, bsd -> fufufishtits, amr -> mmmtits, scopeh -> pyramidtits, yournick -> tits? //#
[01:48] <knubbzel> nope ;)
[01:48] <mz2> do i need to make any special arrangements to install ubuntu on reiserfs?
[01:48] <shining> mz2: no
[01:48] <thoreauputic> knubbzel: umm - if that came from xterm, it worked, clearly
[01:48] <knubbzel> it came from XChat.
[01:48] <InitMass> theine, synaptic says that no packages are selected
[01:49] <knubbzel> it was something I copy-pasted earlier that day
[01:49] <shining> mz2: but I never noticed any diff between ext3 and reiserfs :p
[01:49] <Funraiser> ckiewiet_, the coolest: just highlight what u want to copy, then go where to copy, and click with the middle button,that's it
[01:49] <InitMass> Funraiser, what are u talking about?
[01:49] <shining> only reiser4 makes a difference
[01:49] <Funraiser> InitMass, that wasn't for u sorry
[01:49] <InitMass> Funraiser, np
[01:49] <Baptiste> oog afternoon
[01:49] <Baptiste> good
[01:49] <theine> InitMass: are there any upgradable packages?
[01:49] <knubbzel> but what I want to copy-paste from xterm is some funny error message stating "unknown parameter: 'h' use -h to get further help about what parameters are available"
[01:49] <thoreauputic> peter@panarchy:~ $ this is from xterm
[01:49] <kbrooks> ;)
[01:50] <thoreauputic> knubbzel: works gere, it seems
[01:50] <thoreauputic> *here
[01:50] <InitMass> theine, synaptic says no but apt-get says something else
[01:50] <shining> lol
[01:50] <Baptiste> I need your help because I am going to be mad
[01:50] <knubbze> hm
[01:50] <Baptiste> I cannot install ubuntu
[01:50] <knubbze> lol Baptiste
[01:50] <Baptiste> nether ubuntu warty
[01:50] <shining> Baptiste: why
[01:50] <theine> InitMass: there is no 'installed (upgradable)' section under status?
[01:50] <Baptiste> nor hoary
[01:50] <knubbze> / choose your -tits name! // knubbze -> minitits, dollar -> bigtits, ufear -> notits, bsd -> fufufishtits, amr -> mmmtits, scopeh -> pyramidtits, yournick -> tits? //
[01:50] <knubbze> nope
[01:50] <knubbze> lol
[01:51] <Baptiste> I have a deboostra^error
[01:51] <Funraiser> Knubbzel,  just highlight what u want to copy, then go where to copy, and click with the middle button,that's it
[01:51] <Baptiste> on ubuntu-keyring
[01:51] <InitMass> theine, i think that either  fglrx-control netpanzer or x-window-system-core are dependant of Xfree86 that's why i can't upgrade to X.org
[01:51] <Baptiste> despite the iso is correct
[01:51] <knubbze> root@satan:/home/ckiewiet/myBNC # ./myBouncer -h
[01:51] <knubbze> Unknown parameter "h" - please use -h to find out what parameters there are.
[01:51] <knubbze> oh finally
[01:51] <shining> Baptiste: u checked ur iso with md5?
[01:51] <Baptiste> yes
[01:51] <knubbze> \o
[01:51] <knubbze> root@satan:/home/ckiewiet/myBNC # ./myBouncer -h
[01:51] <knubbze> Unknown parameter "h" - please use -h to find out what parameters there are.
[01:51] <knubbze> haha
[01:51] <theine> InitMass: so what does 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' give you then?
[01:51] <Baptiste> It was correct
[01:51] <knubbze> that is great :D
[01:51] <thoreauputic> knubbze: umm - did you highlight it *just* before pasting?
[01:51] <knubbze> thoreauputic, yes
[01:51] <shining> Baptiste: u onlu have one cdrom drive?
[01:51] <Baptiste> no
[01:51] <Baptiste> two
[01:51] <theine> InitMass: any warnings/error messages?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> knubbze: looks like you got it this time :)
[01:52] <shining> Baptiste: it doesnt change anything?
[01:52] <knubbze> yes
[01:52] <knubbze> thoreauputic, btw the "myBouncer" thing is a software I have to write for someone
[01:52] <knubbze> I want to show him this error message
[01:52] <Baptiste> no
[01:52] <knubbze> I find it funny :)
[01:52] <Baptiste> nothing
[01:52] <shining> Baptiste: maybe look at ubuntu bugzilla
[01:52] <Baptiste> the most amazing
[01:52] <InitMass> theine, The following packages have been kept back:
[01:52] <InitMass>   fglrx-control netpanzer x-window-system-core
[01:52] <InitMass> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[01:52] <Baptiste> yes
[01:52] <Funraiser> o well whatever
[01:52] <EddieX> What is wrong with acroread, the binary is not there
[01:52] <xukun_> I finaly got the nvidia driver working on my laptop
[01:52] <Baptiste> is that before I succeded to install the warty
[01:52] <Baptiste> :-(
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long should i give a program 100% cpu time for before i deside to kill it?
[01:53] <theine> InitMass: then try to temporarily deinstall those 3 packages and do 'sudo apt-get install ubunt-desktop' afterwards
[01:53] <shining> Baptiste: same cd?
[01:53] <Baptiste> no
[01:53] <Baptiste> yes
[01:53] <Baptiste> I cannot install the warty
[01:53] <shining> Baptiste: huh?
[01:53] <InitMass> theine, ok. but if X.org doesn't want to start what should i do then. i only have one computer so i have to be able to get support if it doesn't start
[01:53] <shining> Baptiste: same box, same warty cd, and it doesnt work anymore?
[01:53] <Baptiste> which I succeeded to install before
[01:53] <Baptiste> with the same cd
[01:54] <shining> Baptiste: lol
[01:54] <Baptiste> absolutely
[01:54] <Jefis> How to disable any internet boot on start up?
[01:54] <Baptiste> it does not work anymore
[01:54] <shining> Baptiste: the cd isnt damaged or something ? did u check it from the ubuntu installer?
[01:54] <Baptiste> no
[01:54] <pifou> I installed nvidia-glx last version, I hope I won't crash again
[01:54] <theine> InitMass: See if that resolves the dependency problems first, unless you log out of your X session you won't loose it by doing this
[01:54] <Baptiste> It is the seventh cd I burn of ubuntu
[01:54] <shining> lol
[01:54] <Baptiste> with seven different iso
[01:55] <Baptiste> :-(
[01:55] <shining> how did u find seven different iso?
[01:55] <Baptiste> I don't know what happenef
[01:55] <Baptiste> hum
[01:55] <Baptiste> I downloaded seven times the iso
[01:55] <shining> ha the same
[01:55] <Baptiste> three time the warty
[01:55] <theine> InitMass: Apart from that it's fairly unlikely that Xorg won't work if XFree86 did
[01:55] <Baptiste> one time kubuntu
[01:55] <kbrooks> oi have a q
[01:55] <Baptiste> and one time hoary
[01:55] <shining> when if the md5sum was correct, there is no need to redownload it
[01:56] <Baptiste> yes
[01:56] <kbrooks> Hmmm
[01:56] <shining> maybe your box has something wrong, or your cd burner
[01:56] <Baptiste> yes
[01:56] <Baptiste> probably
[01:56] <InitMass> theine, any changes to the config that i have to do_
[01:56] <InitMass> theine, or should that be automatically?
[01:56] <theine> InitMass: I don't think so
[01:56] <Arc-> how can you check md5sum under windows?
[01:56] <seven_six_two> or maybe its burned too fast
[01:57] <spiral> hi
[01:57] <InitMass> theine, i'm using ati 9600 and i had support for it before. will i have it in X.org too?
[01:57] <theine> InitMass: Did you do any important changes to the XFree86 config before?
[01:57] <Jefis> How to disable any internet boot on start up?
[01:57] <InitMass> theine, not any what i can remember
[01:57] <InitMass> theine, i only installed a package for ati something
[01:57] <kbrooks> Jefis, define  internet boot
[01:57] <theine> InitMass: Then I'm pretty sure that you won't have any problems by upgrading to Xorg
[01:57] <InitMass> theine, and if i upgrade that should follow i guess
[01:57] <Jefis> ppp0
[01:58] <kbrooks> Jefis, er.
[01:58] <InitMass> theine, by the way. now i'm installing ubuntu-desktop and it seems to be working so far
[01:58] <Jefis> bash: define: command not found
[01:58] <Jefis> :-)
[01:58] <theine> InitMass: It's not a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, you might need to reinstall it seperately when you remove it now
[01:58] <theine> InitMass: great
[01:58] <thor|pizza> Arc-: md5sum for windows howto >> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/using_md5sums.html
[01:58] <prats> hi, i would like to put my emacs windows green like the one in mandrake... somebody help me? :)
[01:58] <InitMass> theine, hmm i don't remember the name of that package
[01:59] <InitMass> theine, maybe apt-cache can give the answer
[01:59] <theine> InitMass: it's xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:59] <john_> Hello
[01:59] <Arc-> thor|pizza: thanks!
[01:59] <InitMass> theine, thanx
[01:59] <theine> InitMass: that one you need to install after 'sudo install ubuntu-desktop' is done
[01:59] <thor|pizza> Arc-: no worries - took 5 seconds on google by the way :)
[02:00] <theine> InitMass: possibly netpanzer as well
[02:00] <john_> Please help me! I am a newbie in Ubuntu. How do I update my Ubuntu installation?
[02:00] <jesper> theine: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop you mean?
[02:00] <theine> InitMass: and just to check, do another dist-upgrade in the end
[02:00] <InitMass> theine, strange that ubuntu is still installing x-window-system-core
[02:00] <Baptiste> Goodbye
[02:01] <thor|pizza> Arc-: search terms md5sum check windows how
[02:01] <theine> jesper: yes, sorry...
[02:01] <trukulo> john_, fist, upgrade with new sources (hoary instead of warty)
[02:01] <theine> InitMass: That's fine, I have that installed as well
[02:01] <trukulo> and: aptitude install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop grepmap readahead
[02:01] <john_> That is what I want. But what command should I use?
[02:01] <theine> InitMass: what you have to look for is whether it installs xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86
[02:02] <InitMass> ok
[02:02] <InitMass> theine, i saw it installing alot of xorg related stuff now
[02:02] <theine> InitMass: sounds good
[02:03] <xukun_> hmm nvidia driver installed just fine and it works too but if I run glxgears or glxinfo I get "glxinfo
[02:03] <xukun_> Segmentation fault
[02:03] <xukun_> "
[02:03] <john_> Are you still there, trukulo?
[02:03] <InitMass> theine, i guess it's time for a restart of X now
[02:03] <nikola> hoy, smaller problem with Bus 002 Device 003: ID 041e:3020 Creative Technology, Ltd SoundBlaster Audigy 2 NX , divx movie sound nice but in xmms mp3 quality is very looow ... som1 know how repait it<? ubuntu 5.04
[02:03] <trukulo> John_, i'm here
[02:03] <theine> InitMass: wait a sec
[02:04] <trukulo> john_, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#manualupdate
[02:04] <john_> ok.
[02:04] <theine> InitMass: so 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' is done?
[02:04] <john_> Thank you very much!
[02:04] <InitMass> theine, yes
[02:04] <trukulo> john, you're wellcome
[02:04] <InitMass> theine, and upgrade
[02:04] <theine> InitMass: and you installed xorg-driver-fglrx?
[02:04] <InitMass> theine, yes
[02:05] <theine> InitMass: and apt-get doesn't mention any packages that have been held back
[02:05] <InitMass> theine, nope
[02:05] <theine> InitMass: alright, then you're good to go I guess
[02:05] <theine> InitMass: I'd recommend a reboot though...
[02:05] <InitMass> theine, do u think swedish layout will work straight away?
[02:06] <theine> InitMass: Not sure, but I suggest to attack that problem afterwards
[02:07] <InitMass> theine, ok. time for reboot. thank you for the help. i'll be back
[02:07] <theine> InitMass: alright
[02:07] <john_> trukulo: It seems like nothing needs to be upgraded.
[02:08] <nooneyouknow> beagle is now available for ubuntu!
[02:08] <theine> nooneyouknow: in which repo?
[02:08] <trukulo> John_, have you read links in that page? before apt-get update ?
[02:08] <nooneyouknow> simply follow the instructions here: http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[02:08] <trukulo> you have to
[02:09] <john_> hmm...
[02:09] <nooneyouknow> sorry, should have said, its unofficial, and its only for hoary.
[02:09] <xukun_> is there any 3d games ubuntu?
[02:09] <Myrtti> xukun_: tuxracer for one
[02:09] <nooneyouknow> i did it this morning though, and it works fine for me.
[02:09] <xukun_> Myrtti, thanks
[02:09] <john_> Maybe it is because i only have 4.10
[02:09] <john_> Warty
[02:10] <theine> nooneyouknow: it's nice that the have set up an apt repository
[02:10] <chrissturm> when does the release cycle for breezy start?
[02:10] <HKSDU> Myrtti: full version for hoary?
[02:10] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah. it doesnt seem to index mp3s yet, so i dont think they've built the gstreamer backend yet.
[02:10] <nooneyouknow> everything else though, its in there.
[02:10] <theine> nooneyouknow: nice
[02:10] <flipy> anyone know how to disable esd at start? got to run sudo killall esd everytime to get sound working
[02:11] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[02:11] <flipy> or how to have a pure alsa system? (without oss)
[02:11] <LinuxJones> chrissturm, 3 weeks or so I guess
[02:12] <Neil3> hey folks i'm having a strange issue with firefox - when i go to import my old bookmarks.html file, the buttons in the dialog box it gives me have no text in them and i can't proceed
[02:12] <Neil3> i have a screenshot of what's going on here: http://neil.demolish.nu/firefox.png
[02:12] <lunitik> flipy: apt-get install rcconf ... 'sudo rcconf' and turn off esd  :/
[02:12] <flipy> thanks lunitik :D
[02:12] <LinuxJones> Neil3, maybe you don't have read permissions on the file ?
[02:12] <john_> I feal like a snail....
[02:12] <Neil3> i dunno
[02:13] <Neil3> its the program misbehaving
[02:13] <Neil3> that dialog is just not displaying properly
[02:13] <Neil3> and i've seen on the forums that some others are getting the same problem but havent been able to find a solution
[02:14] <xukun_> Myrtti, Do I need to apt that becouse I dont have tuxracer ?
[02:14] <flipy> anyone know if it's gonna be a i686 relase for hoarty?
[02:14] <trukulo> flipy, no, there isn't
[02:14] <flipy> but why?
[02:14] <trukulo> flipy, it's not needed
[02:14] <flipy> it's not needed?
[02:14] <nooneyouknow> Neil3, have you just run updates?
[02:14] <Myrtti> xukun_: yes.
[02:14] <flipy> that doesn't make any sense
[02:14] <thor|pizza> Neil3: have you tried simply deleting the bookmarks.html file ans replcing it with yours? in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[02:15] <trukulo> flipy, packages, even compiled for 386, are optimized for 686 instructions too
[02:15] <john_> I don't get it...
[02:15] <flipy> uhm
[02:15] <nooneyouknow> Neil3, that happens to me when im running fireforx, and i update it while its running.
[02:15] <lunitik> Neil3: you ought to be able to click the button to the far (your) right ... but yeah... that is kinda weird...
[02:15] <nooneyouknow> try closing and opening it again.
[02:15] <trukulo> flipy, there is no appreciable diference in speed
[02:15] <ChrisGraz> hey, anyone knows if there is an apt repository for the recent version of skype?
[02:15] <xukun_> Myrtti, apt finds no tuxracer either
[02:16] <Myrtti> xukun_: :-(
[02:16] <flipy> trukulo, i can't understand why i386 should use i686 instructions...
[02:16] <flipy> since it won't use all flags
[02:16] <eliane> how to identify a nickname ?
[02:16] <lunitik> eliane: /msg nickserv identify password
[02:16] <trukulo> flipy, revise archives on ubuntu-devel-list , it has been talked by developers
[02:16] <xukun_> Myrtti, I need to test if 3D is working on my system
[02:16] <lunitik> eliane: /msg nickserv register password to set it up
[02:16] <thor|pizza> flipy: the differences are mostly unimportant
[02:16] <InitMass> theine, it works fine
[02:16] <flipy> ok, i'll do it, thanks trukulo thor|pizza
[02:17] <Neil3> thor|pizza, i could do that but i migrated from fedora and i want to preserve the existing firefox bookmarks that come with ubuntu
[02:17] <Neil3> lunitik, i click the button but nothing happens :(
[02:17] <lunitik> eliane: /msg nickserv help to see all you can do
[02:17] <nooneyouknow> Neil3, did you just run an update?
[02:17] <trukulo> flipy, it's a pleasure
[02:17] <john_> ahrg... :)
[02:17] <Neil3> updated as soon as i installed
[02:17] <Neil3> but it didn't touch firefox
[02:17] <flipy> last thing, i've mounted a windows partitions, since i'm a spanish speaker, in some dirs and files i get (invalid enconding)
[02:17] <eliane> lunitik: thanks!
[02:17] <trukulo> flipy, anyway, if you want any package compiled for 686, you always can use apt-build for yourself with any flag you want
[02:17] <theine> InitMass: congratulations, what about the keyboard layout?
[02:18] <mchasard> hi
[02:18] <thesamet> The gnome menu at the top panel disappeared. How do I get it back?
[02:18] <nooneyouknow> ah, well when i was updating a similar thing happened to me. twice actually. but both times it was updating firefox.
[02:18] <trukulo> flipy, join #badopi and we talk in spanish there, it's easier for me
[02:18] <jsgotangco> just make a new panel
[02:18] <lunitik> thesamet: you mean gone... or has no contents?
[02:18] <mchasard> how to mount my device on ubuntu or kubuntu ...
[02:18] <lunitik> thesamet: and the menu is gone, not the panel?
[02:19] <mchasard> theres no automount at the boot ?
[02:19] <thesamet> The panel itself is there. As there is this firefox and evolution launcher.
[02:19] <theine> mchasard: what device?
[02:19] <InitMass> theine, i can't say for sure because my .xsession file didn't work so i got logged in to gnome. and i never had problems with the layout in gnome.
[02:19] <thesamet> but no menus.
[02:19] <mchasard> my hard disk ...i have 2 hard disk one in ntfs and the other in fat
[02:19] <theine> InitMass: Alright, did you install language-support-se by the way?
[02:19] <lunitik> thesamet: right click panel, right click 'add to panel' ... add 'Menu bar'...
[02:19] <mchasard> i know that wheni plug my usb key ...it recognized it
[02:20] <lunitik> umm... second 'right click' shouldn't be there...
[02:20] <InitMass> theine, i don't know. i'll have a look
[02:21] <theine> InitMass: The .xsession mechanism might be disabled, but I guess you can choose fluxbox under sessions in GDM
[02:21] <InitMass> theine, well it wasn't installed
[02:21] <InitMass> theine, i can't chose it in gdm cause i installed fluxbox from source
[02:22] <theine> InitMass: You should install that although that alone won't give you a swedish layout under fluxbox
[02:22] <thor|pizza> ".xsession" corresponds to "system session" in GDM if I recall correctly
[02:22] <theine> InitMass: the bleeding edge version or what?
[02:22] <InitMass> theine, yep
[02:22] <theine> InitMass: what version is it?
[02:22] <InitMass> 0.9.12
[02:22] <theine> InitMass: you know that 0.9.11 is in universe, right?
[02:23] <cal> anybody knowing where i could get the list of the repositothings?
[02:23] <InitMass> theine, yes
[02:24] <InitMass> theine, but i thought it was better to use the latest
[02:24] <cal> coz all my reloads failed..
[02:24] <cal> when trying to update..
[02:24] <theine> InitMass: sure, i can see that
[02:24] <theine> InitMass: by the way, what's bothering you in Gnome?
[02:24] <InitMass> theine, i'm hoping for a speed increase over gnome
[02:24] <Fator_Dee> cal: if they all fail I'd say you have a typo or something
[02:24] <theine> InitMass, ah, ok
[02:24] <mchasard> sorry is there any answer to my troubles of mount
[02:24] <theine> InitMass, I thought it might be the metacity window manager...
[02:25] <InitMass> theine, but my computer is fairly fast so i don't know if i will notice any difference
[02:25] <cal> factor_Dee but i havn't modified anything
[02:25] <xukun_> anybody know why I get Segmentation fault if I run glxgears?
[02:25] <cal> my gaim, bittorrent everything works fine.. so im online
[02:25] <InitMass> theine, i like they way many people get fluxbox look so clean
[02:26] <mchasard> is there a way to see one day a  ubuntu live cd with xfce ?
[02:26] <theine> InitMass, just in case, if you seek for a more powerful window manager under gnome, i'd strongly suggest openbox
[02:26] <psai_> does ext2 support files bigger than 4gb ?
[02:26] <apokryphos> mchasard: Ubuntu leaders encourage any people wanting to take up the task, but currently there don't seem to be that many XFCE enthusiats in Ubuntu community
[02:27] <tormod> xukun_, have you updated any xorg, mesa/gl packages ?
[02:27] <jesper> psai_: AFAIK yes
[02:27] <theine> InitMass, it shares a similar look to fluxbox, features edge resistance as well and you can maximize windows vertically by using the middle mouse button
[02:27] <mchasard> ok its clear kubuntu is here ...but xubuntu ...not yet ...hi hi
[02:27] <InitMass> theine, i think openbox and fluxbox is very similar
[02:27] <john_> It seems like I have to learn the Linux language before I can do anything in Ubuntu.
[02:28] <apokryphos> mchasard: yeah :)
[02:28] <thoreauputic> John_, what are you wanting to do?
[02:28] <Secks> Can someone give me a hand?
[02:28] <theine> InitMass: yes, but if you're using openbox under gnome, you can still take advantage of all the gnome goodies (applets etc.)
[02:28] <mchasard>  ;-) thanks for your kindness i have to go ...but i have to test kubuntu and ubuntu the new release
[02:28] <Secks> Trying to edit sources.list and having a hell of a time
[02:28] <mchasard> and i'll be back surely
[02:28] <john_> I want to upgrade to 5.04 Hoary or something..,
[02:29] <apokryphos> Secks: what's the problem?
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> secks. whats wrong?
[02:29] <apokryphos> john_: are you on Warty now?
[02:29] <Secks> Well, I've uncommented the lines to enable UNIVERSE, but it won't save.
[02:29] <apokryphos> Secks: you have to sudo when editing
[02:29] <InitMass> theine, i don't think i need all that stuff.
[02:29] <ogra> Secks, did you use sudo ?
[02:29] <john_> Yes. Think so. I installed Ubuntu on thursday.
[02:29] <Secks> I changed all its permissions...
[02:29] <psai_> jesper: i transferd several files bigger than 4gb to an ext2 disk , now everytime i ls the directory i get I/O errors
[02:29] <Secks> Not sure I know how to sudo in the text editor
[02:29] <apokryphos> john_: what does cat /etc/issue give?
[02:29] <InitMass> theine, do you know how to turn off the system bell if i'm not using gnome?
[02:29] <theine> InitMass: not even the keyboard applet?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> John_, change your sources list ( /etc/apt/sources.list ) and change all instances of "warty" to "hoary"
[02:30] <apokryphos> Secks: you can just do "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:30] <Fator_Dee> Secks: just do "sudo gedit /path/to/file"
[02:30] <john_> Shall I type that in the root command-thing?
[02:30] <ogra> john_, lsb-release -a
[02:30] <apokryphos> john_: yes
[02:30] <Secks> Oh, roger. Lemme try it.
[02:30] <smouche> Secks, next time, you could raise a terminal, then use "sudo nano" or whatever...
[02:30] <InitMass> theine, hmm not if the keyboard work good anyway
[02:30] <thoreauputic> john_, no - sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:30] <Secks> That worked, thanks
[02:30] <theine> InitMass: I just remove the pcspkr module...
[02:31] <apokryphos> ogra: I don't even seem to have that command :P
[02:31] <jesper> psai_: an old ext2 filesystem .. or a newly created on?
[02:31] <enplo> hello. i just installed ubuntu and dns resolving in firefox takes an awfully long time (~60sec). it's an ipv6 problem as far as i know, but how can i fix it? adding alias net-pf off to /etc/modprobe.conf didn't fix it.
[02:31] <jesper> psai_: like.. 7-8 years old?
[02:31] <ogra> apokryphos, its in the default hoary install and very essential now
[02:31] <thoreauputic> John_, save changes, then run sudo apt-get update   then  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:31] <Secks> Now Synaptic Manager is not finding the universe packages.
[02:31] <Secks> Argh.
[02:31] <theine> InitMass: Otherwise, you can disabled it in the terminal by doing 'set bell-style none'
[02:31] <ogra> Secks, did you reload after editing ?
[02:31] <john_> It gives Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[02:31] <Secks> Oh, should I restart?
[02:32] <psai_> jesper: about a year ( kernel 2.6.4 )
[02:32] <apokryphos> ogra: when was that put in? It won't help if he's running Warty (which he thought he was). =)
[02:32] <ogra> Secks, no, hit the reload button in synaptic
[02:32] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell john_ ubuhoary
[02:32] <Pyre> john_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[02:32] <smouche> can anyone help me with encoding issues -- I'm trying to use elinks (like lynx), but I can't get any pages using accented characters to display correctly
[02:32] <apokryphos> john_: follow the instructions there. It will talk you through it all.
[02:32] <Secks> Ah.... doy
[02:32] <john_> Heh... What changes? I don't think I have changed anything...
[02:32] <ogra> apokryphos, it was also present in warty
[02:32] <InitMass> theine, but the terminal shutoff only work in the terminal right?
[02:32] <smouche> I've tried every encoding setting I can find, and different fonts
[02:32] <theine> InitMass, yes
[02:33] <Secks> Boy, this is the fourth year in a row I've tried linux... finally getting it to work is rewarding
[02:33] <apokryphos> ogra: kind of wondering why I don't have it...
[02:33] <ogra> apokryphos, argh, sorry.....i always muddle - and _ its lsb_release -a
[02:33] <Secks> Ubuntu is really nice
[02:33] <will> mmm hoary
[02:33] <tormod> daniels, bug 8824, I am here
[02:33] <apokryphos> :)
[02:33] <thoreauputic> John_, you missed my earlier post, evidently
[02:33] <theine> InitMass, you can disable it under X too, but why not just disable the pc speaker module?
[02:33] <apokryphos> Cool; that's another way to do it.
[02:33] <ogra> apokryphos, the future way ;)
[02:33] <Secks> Which are the Universe packages you need to play mp3s?
[02:33] <theine> InitMass, that'll get rid of those annoying beeps once and for all
[02:34] <apokryphos> ogra: yeah, I might have to make it the official method when asking newbies =)
[02:34] <ogra> Secks, look for the RestrictedFormats page in the wiki there is a list
[02:34] <apokryphos> Secks: gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:34] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Secks uburestricted
[02:34] <Pyre> Secks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:34] <Secks> Ok, and xmms-mad helps too right?
[02:34] <dj28> does anyone know how i can make gnome-terminal not interpret F functions (F1, F2, etc), because an app running in the terminal needs to use these and gnome-terminal is interpretting them
[02:34] <InitMass> theine, i only see one use for those beeps. and that is for xchat personal messages
[02:34] <theine> Secks: even better gstreamer-plugins
[02:35] <enplo> how can i disable ipv6 under hoary?
[02:35] <theine> InitMass, are you sure that's pc speaker?
[02:35] <Secks> Great. Thank you all so much.
[02:35] <chrissturm> is there a gstreamer plugin that can plax x264?
[02:35] <InitMass> theine, yes
[02:35] <theine> InitMass, makes sense as i don't get those beeps :)
[02:35] <smouche> Secks, you might find this page useful:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:35] <Secks> One last dumb question... is there a theming community or something to change the appearance of ubuntu?
[02:36] <fissy> chrissturm, not yet, I don't think. the vlc people are making a codec but its not ready yet afaik
[02:36] <theine> InitMass, I admit that this would be quite useful...
[02:36] <InitMass> theine, but it's not don't see any use for the beeps when i'm already having the app open and in front of me
[02:36] <thoreauputic> Secks: look art.gnome.org
[02:36] <Secks> Okay thanks
[02:36] <buz> does anybody have a howto on compiling qemu with kqemu support?
[02:36] <InitMass> theine, but if i'm on another screen that is
[02:36] <EvilIdler> Secks: Just use different Gnome/KDE themes
[02:36] <theine> InitMass: sure
[02:36] <john_> I think it is better to get someone to help me.
[02:36] <EvilIdler> There's also themes.org, I guess
[02:37] <chrissturm> fissy: thx. i really like x264, but i swithed to totem from vlc for most of my video needs lately
[02:37] <tcwd> hi
[02:37] <InitMass> theine, if i type modprobe -r pcspkr should it be enough to get rid of it? won't it start at next reboot?
[02:37] <theine> InitMass: as i see it, you can use an external player for playing sounds in xchat
[02:37] <InitMass> theine, yes sure
[02:38] <tcwd> I'm a n00b to... linux, in general.  So, this question might be dumb... but, is it possible to specify where all apt-get install things go?
[02:38] <apokryphos> tcwd: why would you want to change where they go?
[02:38] <chrissturm> ffmpeg can also play x264, so i think gst-ffmpeg will support it too sometime
[02:38] <theine> InitMass: no, you need to do 'sudo echo pcspkr >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist' to remove it permanently (watch for the to greater-equal-signs :-)
[02:38] <tcwd> well... It goes to /usr/bin... but I want it to go in another folder, if possible.
[02:38] <john_> I am frustrated...
[02:38] <tcwd> if not... then, just forget it.
[02:39] <theine> InitMass: 'two greater-equal-sings' that is...
[02:39] <apokryphos> tcwd: not really... if it's not put there you won't have an executable for it
[02:39] <tcwd> apokryphos, oh.
[02:39] <Secks> Okay, I'm still having touble... trying to play mp3s off of my NTFS drive through XMMS. Is that impossible?
[02:39] <tombs> hi everyone
[02:39] <tcwd> alright then.
[02:39] <apokryphos> john_: did you follow the instructions on the link I gave you?
[02:40] <john_> No, it disapeared from the screen. People are writing too fast...
[02:40] <Fator_Dee> how could I change the behaviour of "Extract here" command in nautilus, because now when I use it, it dumps the files in a packagename_FILES folder and there I can find the folder I'd like it only to make :-\
[02:40] <Secks> and how do you close a program when its crashed?
[02:40] <chefkoch-2002> in which file di i find the alias forcedeath?
[02:40] <InitMass> theine, well finally i don't have to hear that bird inside the computer sing anymore
[02:40] <thoreauputic> tcwd: Linux has more or less standard locations for executables, config , libraries etc
[02:40] <apokryphos> john_: you can scroll up you know :)
[02:40] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell john_ ubuhoary
[02:40] <Pyre> john_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[02:41] <john_> I can't scroll...
[02:41] <theine> InitMass: quite a relief, isn't it?
[02:41] <apokryphos> john_: why ever not?
[02:41] <smouche> Secks, in a terminal, type "killall <name of program>"
[02:41] <InitMass> theine, i must admit it's getting harder to leave gnome for every new release
[02:41] <john_> It just does not work.
[02:41] <theine> InitMass: I agree
[02:41] <InitMass> theine, indeed
[02:41] <Secks> danke.
[02:41] <InitMass> theine, what do u use?
[02:41] <theine> InitMass: gnome + openbox
[02:42] <thoreauputic> John_. in irssi try page up
[02:42] <InitMass> theine, any screenshot up on the web?
[02:42] <john_> wow
[02:42] <thoreauputic> john_, but xchat wold be easier for you
[02:42] <thoreauputic> *would
[02:42] <chefkoch-2002> how do i load the nforce module at startup?
[02:42] <theine> InitMass: no, but i can make one, will you be online for a while?
[02:43] <InitMass> theine, yes. and i'm in the channel every day
[02:43] <theine> InitMass: l'll get back to you in an hour
[02:43] <InitMass> theine, damn, i don't want the sun to be up today. i only want to sit in here configurating my computer
[02:43] <smouche> hey thoreauputic - in irssi, how do I enable automatic logging?  can I?  (I've been looking at irssi scripts, but man, that's a lot to look through...;-(
[02:44] <thoreauputic> smouche: yes you can - I think it's something like /set logging
[02:44] <Myrtti> smouche: /help log
[02:44] <thoreauputic> smouche: but it's been a while since I used irssi
[02:44] <Myrtti> I use irssi exclusively
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: thanks Myrtti
[02:45] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:45] <Myrtti> irssi 0.8.9 - accept no substitutes
[02:45] <smouche> anyway, john_ like thoreuaputic said, x-chat would be easier for you, and in the preferences settings, you should enable logging, note where the logs are stored, and then you'll have a permanent reference from all this great advice on here...
[02:45] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:45] <smouche> thanks, thoreauputic !
[02:45] <john_> I still don't get it.
[02:45] <apokryphos> john_: don't get what?
[02:45] <john_> The whole update-thing...
[02:46] <smouche> lol InitMass, ditto here, gorgeous sun, and I'm not enjoying the guilt!
[02:46] <apokryphos> john_: what don't you get? Did you follow the instructions?
[02:46] <john_> What instructions?
[02:46] <apokryphos> john_: the ones I have given you twice. :)
[02:47] <john_> Are there any instructions there? Maybe I can't see them.
[02:47] <thoreauputic> John_, in a nutshell you are changing the sources fro which you get stuff, updating the list of available things, then telling the system to go get the updates and install them
[02:47] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell john_ ubuhoary
[02:47] <Pyre> john_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[02:47] <apokryphos> john_: there
[02:47] <john_> I do have that page open.
[02:47] <InitMass> smouche, are you in NYC?
[02:47] <apokryphos> john_: ok... so what's the problem? Those are the instructions for upgrading...
[02:48] <john_> I think it is best if I leave..
[02:48] <smouche> Yes, InitMass!   you?
[02:48] <binabik> does anyone have suggestions on getting a Topcom Wireless Lan module working under Ubuntu ?
[02:48] <apokryphos> john_: erm, why?
[02:48] <Aladdin> hi all :)
[02:48] <InitMass> smouche, in gothenburg, sweden
[02:49] <Aladdin> what a grat day to upgrade !
[02:49] <InitMass> how do i generate keymaps?
[02:49] <john_> I don't know.
[02:49] <smouche> john_ -- don't leave, just hang and observe the discussions.  You can absorb a lot here, and sometimes people ask questions, and get answers for stuff you might not even have thought of a question for.
[02:50] <john_> But, what are the instructions on that page you gave me?
[02:50] <apokryphos> john_: you're having a problem, and we're here to help :). We can't really help if we don't know the problem though ;-)
[02:50] <thoreauputic> John_, try reading www.ubuntuguide.org - that might clarify things a bit for you
[02:50] <apokryphos> john_: they are about how you upgrade to hoary, like you wanted.
[02:50] <smouche> days getting longer!  'course they never get as long here as they must in gothenburg, eh InitMass?
[02:50] <Burgundavia> I finally managed to lag my mouse
[02:50] <Aladdin> Question: Can I simply add a harddisk in the "box" and mount it on an existintg directory (say /home/ftp) ?
[02:50] <thoreauputic> john_, once you understand how it works, it will seem much easier
[02:50] <InitMass> smouche, they are very long here
[02:51] <john_> okay. Does everybody feel like this in the beginning?
[02:51] <apokryphos> yes!
[02:51] <Aladdin> hehe
[02:51] <smouche> john_   YES!
[02:51] <ogra> john_, sure :)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> john_, don't worry - we've all been there :)
[02:52] <john_> It is sooooo much to undestand...
[02:52] <Fator_Dee> how could I change the behaviour of "Extract here" command in nautilus, because now when I use it, it dumps the files in a packagename_FILES folder and there I can find the folder I'd like it only to make :-\
[02:52] <HKSDU> guys, I have a question.  If I have done a apt-get dist upgrade and it upgrades my distro and all my apt-getted programs.  What if one of the programs suddenly become unstable, do I need to uninstall individually?
[02:53] <jesper> john_: just ask if you have any questions?
[02:53] <InitMass> smouche, have you been in sweden?
[02:53] <john_> I have asked a question, and got an answer. But I don't understand the answer.
[02:54] <apokryphos> john_: what don't you understand?
[02:54] <john_> The instructions.
[02:54] <apokryphos> Yes, what part?
[02:54] <smouche> Myrtti, sorry -- I missed your tip before ... /help log ... thanks!
[02:55] <thoreauputic> John_, the key to upgrading is the sources.list (/etc/apt/sources.list) Start by looking at that by typing `gedit /etc/apt/sources.list `in a terminal, and comparing your list to the list on htat page
[02:55] <thoreauputic> *that
[02:55] <john_> aha. NOW we are talking here!
[02:55] <thoreauputic> john_, you will see the differences
[02:55] <thoreauputic> john_, what you need to do is change "warty" to "hoary"
[02:56] <smouche> InitMass:  no I haven't; I lived in Finland though when I was a baby, and I'm told that my first words were in Swedish and Finnish.  (Swedish nanny...)
[02:56] <sighnal> hey.
[02:56] <AstralJava> smouche: Cool, hailing from Finland here...
[02:56] <ogra> john_, these are newer (and easier to understand i think): http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:56] <thoreauputic> john_, that will need you to use sudo or use the synaptic package manager to change the list
[02:57] <sighnal> i have to use debian apt-mirrors for software? or are there some ubuntu servers?
[02:57] <john_> A window popped up..
[02:57] <smouche> it occurs to me that if I had stayed in Finland, I might speak better English than I do now, ;-)
[02:57] <Myrtti> smouche: _o/ from Finland too
[02:57] <Fator_Dee> AstralJava: I'd guess there are a lot of Finns here (me too :-p)
[02:57] <InitMass> smouche, hehe
[02:57] <thoreauputic> john_, that should be the list we are talking about
[02:57] <AstralJava> Fator_Dee: No kidding? Didn't realize that yesterday.
[02:57] <smouche> my dad had a fulbright scholarship to Helsinki university
[02:57] <smouche> or to a university in Helsinki, anyway...
[02:57] <AstralJava> We oughta have held our own release party then. :) Maybe for Breezy.
[02:58] <Aladdin> apo,?
[02:58] <lucychili> ive been there but am from australia
[02:58] <smouche> I was 2 years old, don't remember any of it
[02:58] <Aladdin> apokryphos, got a minute?
[02:58] <sighnal> hm.
[02:58] <apokryphos> Aladdin: hi
[02:58] <john_> Change warty to hoary in the text file that popped up
[02:58] <john_> ??
[02:58] <apokryphos> yes
[02:58] <thoreauputic> john_, correct
[02:59] <Aladdin> apokryphos, hi. I want to upgrade today and I'm going to add a hardisk  in the box...
[02:59] <thoreauputic> john_, but you won't be able to do that effectively without repeaing the command with "sudo"
[02:59] <thoreauputic> *repeating
[02:59] <Aladdin> apokryphos: Question: Can I simply add a harddisk in the "box" and mount it on an existintg directory (say /home/ftp) ?
[02:59] <john_> And then... apt-get update?
[02:59] <thomas001> hi,i am trying to install linux-image-amd64-k8 in a ubuntu hoary chroot, but during configuration i get the message '/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine SCSI module'. any ideas what's wrong?
[02:59] <apokryphos> Aladdin: sure
[02:59] <thoreauputic> john_, you bneed sudo permission to change the file
[02:59] <thoreauputic> *need
[03:00] <smouche> linux almost beats the sauna as the best finnish invention ... or are saunas from somewhere else?
[03:00] <john_> I have changed the file. I think
[03:00] <Aladdin> apokryphos, I only wire it and reboot?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> john_ you're getting the idea
[03:00] <deception_inuk> afternoon all
[03:00] <AstralJava> smouche: Can't tell who invented the idea, but Finns sure love the thing. :)
[03:00] <apokryphos> Aladdin: yeah, plug it up, then mount it in your fstab, restart and you should be good to go
[03:00] <thoreauputic> john_, you might have a permissions issue trying to save the file
[03:00] <candyban> Just wondering ... does ubunu have a "nice" installer for nvidia drivers or perhaps even precompiled for the default kernel version
[03:01] <kaptin> candyban: two command lines, no configs to edit
[03:01] <kaptin> doesn't get much easier
[03:01] <sighnal> someone knows an apt mirror where the package "amsn" is?
[03:01] <Spook> To ask an ambiguous question: is it difficult to set up multiple monitors with Ubuntu?
[03:01] <apokryphos> sighnal: Universe
[03:01] <deception_inuk> sighnal : theres an ubuntu package on the amsn website
[03:01] <jnoreiko> howdy
[03:01] <deception_inuk> oh, it's in universe? :-o
[03:02] <apokryphos> yup
[03:02] <jnoreiko> any wiki editors around?
[03:02] <john_> I will do it some other day. Just to rest, and save what i have learned so far.
[03:02] <daniels> jnoreiko: anyone is a wiki editor, by definition
[03:02] <jnoreiko> ... who know a bit of perl?
[03:02] <sighnal> ah, ok. thanks
[03:02] <smouche> AstralJava, in the spring I envy you guys up north; in the winter, I envy you a little less... ;-)
[03:02] <deception_inuk> apokryphos: cool! didnt know, shall get it now =P
[03:02] <jnoreiko> well, I meant anyone who's familiar with the ubuntu wiki
[03:02] <jnoreiko> I need some help converting the FAQ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25109
[03:02] <AstralJava> smouche: Well, I don't mind, I love snow and don't mind when it's cold. I do mind though when it's cold _and_ damp.
[03:02] <apokryphos> daniels: well, only the registered. ;-)
[03:03] <Aladdin> apokryphos, (sorry for newbie questiosn): Do I format the disk? And when? I tought plugin' it that booting, then mount it, cfdisk it,... I'm not sure :(,
[03:03] <john_> So, bye for now. I think.
[03:03] <smouche> problem in New York City, AstralJava, is we get the cold without enough of the snow...
[03:03] <apokryphos> Aladdin: that might well be a way to do it; I think ubuntuguide.org had some stuff on this. A format isn't necessary
[03:03] <thoreauputic> john_, rest well - keep at it :)
[03:04] <lmb^> hey can someone help me out?  which kernel should i choose to install?
[03:04] <daniels> apokryphos: sure, but anyone can register also
[03:04] <apokryphos> yah
[03:04] <Fator_Dee> dark is good, you can go rolling to the snow nekkid after sauna even if you live in the city :-)
[03:04] <Aladdin> apokryphos, k I'll check it up. Thx again you're always of great help. good day folks.
[03:05] <apokryphos> :)
[03:05] <lmb^> the installer gives me a list of 3 to choose from which is best?
[03:05] <TaNeK> since i updated from warty to hoary yesterday, gnome won't work, it starts, but theh it sais xsession only lasted less than 10 sec and takes me back to gdm
[03:05] <sighnal> and, is there some howto to turn on real transparency?
[03:05] <TaNeK> whats wrong with my xsession? :D
[03:05] <apokryphos> lmb^: depends what processor you're running
[03:05] <lmb^> p4 2GHZ
[03:06] <apokryphos> lmb^: then go for the 686
[03:07] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell sighnal ubucomposite
[03:07] <Pyre> sighnal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
[03:07] <lmb^> it says 'linux-386- 'linux-image-386' and 'linux-image-2.10.xxxxxx
[03:07] <lmb^> nothing about 686
[03:07] <apokryphos> do sudo apt-get install linux-686
[03:07] <lmb^> there is no cli yet this is in the installer
[03:08] <sighnal> tnx
[03:08] <kent> I just put an audio-cd in my cdrom on Hoary and it automaticly started the cdplayer and it all works well. But, should not gnome use a feature kind of like windows, where one gets to choose between "play, rip the cd, etc"?  It would be cooler, than as is now.
[03:08] <apokryphos> Ohh... never used it =), but that's the package you want...
[03:08] <apokryphos> (the new installer, that is; don't recall kernel selection on the old one)
[03:08] <apokryphos> lmb^: it should be there, but if it isn't then just go for what is there and you can install it later quite easily
[03:09] <jintxo> kent, system -> preferences -> removable drives and media ?
[03:09] <lmb^> ok thanks apo
[03:09] <sighnal> ok, thank you.
[03:09] <john_> Hello, again.
[03:10] <thoreauputic> hello john_
[03:11] <john_> So silent here...
[03:11] <thoreauputic> john_, you hit a rare slow moment ;-)
[03:11] <Nekohayo> brr
[03:11] <Nekohayo> XD
[03:11] <kent> jintxo, i checked that one. It cant popup a dialog about what to do with the newly inserted medium. Like, play it, rip it etc.
[03:11] <john_> heh
[03:12] <jintxo> kent, no because the dialog box doesn't exist as far as I know, it can run any command you tell it to though... :-)
[03:12] <sieste> Hi
[03:12] <sieste> I have just install ubuntu
[03:12] <john_> I will get that update-thing work sometime, but I don't know when.
[03:12] <sieste> and i install gxine
[03:12] <sieste> but it doesn't appear in the gnome menu
[03:13] <thoreauputic> john_, I recommend you read www.ubuntuguide.com and try to follow it
[03:13] <sieste> how can i do ?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> john_, don't worry if you don't understand at first, keep reading and trying (it becomes clearer)
[03:14] <john_> Thank you. But I am in Windows XP at the moment, so, not now. But I will add it to my favorites.
[03:14] <apokryphos> sieste: no idea what gnome menu is like, but you can alt+F2 > gxine to get it up and running
[03:14] <thoreauputic> john_, good idea
[03:14] <thoreauputic> john_, also when on Linux, use xchat for IRC - it's much easier for a beginner
[03:15] <Fator_Dee> but irssi is the best
[03:15] <Fator_Dee> easy to learn too when you get to know it
[03:15] <apokryphos> come on now guys, konversation is unrivalled ;-)
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: not for someone struggling to understand apt and updates etc ;-)
[03:15] <sieste> apokryphos: thx, but I just want to had it on the gnome menu
[03:15] <HKSDU> Fator_Dee: If you get to know it, you don't need to learn, then how comes it will be easy for beginner? :P
[03:15] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: well, you learn by doing :-)
[03:15] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: I sometimes use irssi now, but in my first linux days it would have intimidated the hell out of me
[03:17] <Arc-> hmm, which desktop manager would you recommend to linux newbie?
[03:17] <wdh> windows :P
[03:17] <apokryphos> Arc-: either. If you like GNOME stuff then gdm, if KDE -- KDM.
[03:17] <EvilIdler> Arc-: KDE is what I'm giving gramps
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Arc- either Gnome or KDE - ubuntu=gnome, kubunru=KDE
[03:17] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: well, my brother made me use it "You'll thank me later" he said :-)
[03:17] <apokryphos> A DM is not a  DE guys :)
[03:17] <limaunion> Xfce
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: your brother is a hard man ;)
[03:18] <EvilIdler> apokryphos: No, but I'm guess he meant that ;)
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: he's right in a way of course
[03:18] <EvilIdler> guessing, even
[03:18] <Arc-> hmm, but I don't have an opinion (at least yet).. if I burn ubuntu livecd, can I try out both to see which one I like more?
[03:18] <Pizbit> Is anyone else experiencing a random sluggish mouse that often wont move for a few seconds at all?
[03:18] <imka> hi
[03:19] <EvilIdler> Arc-: Kubuntu live CD for KDE
[03:19] <apokryphos> Arc-: Yes. You can easily install GNOME from Kubuntu and KDE from Ubuntu respectively.
[03:19] <laurie> Gnome is more Mac like, KDE more like WinXP. Bothe pretty good. I like Window Maker!
[03:19] <thoreauputic> fluxbox RuL3Z !!
[03:19] <thoreauputic> ;)
[03:19] <laurie> minimalist
[03:19] <imka> when i access bugzilla, it asks me to verify the certificate and when i check the accept option, firefox crashes. is anyone experiencing the same problem?
[03:20] <EvilIdler> I'd still prefer a direct neural link, but the drilling is a bother :/
[03:20] <apokryphos> Arc-: whoops -- sorry, didn't see you mention LiveCD. No, if you install the LiveCD you can only try out one of the desktop environments
[03:20] <Arc-> I've been using windows for years now and I'm pretty much completely fed up with it :)
[03:20] <membreya> lo thoreauputic sir :)
[03:20] <thoreauputic> membreya: hello there !
[03:21] <thoreauputic> membreya: how's life in the amd64 war?
[03:21] <membreya> thoreauputic: painful as always :)
[03:21] <Arc-> thanks, I must add that this has been the most helpful irc channel I've ever set my client on
[03:21] <apokryphos> heh
[03:21] <thoreauputic> membreya: peace negotiations needed, eh?
[03:22] <membreya> that's why everyone wants to hang out here Arc- "cool facter"
[03:22] <signal> re.
[03:22] <membreya> factor even
[03:22] <membreya> i love it thoreauputic I did an update when k/ubuntu was released..you think anything updated? :P
[03:22] <membreya> thoreauputic: not peace negotiations..just developers with amd64 boxes :P
[03:23] <Neil3> hmmz
[03:23] <Neil3> one reason i might go to kubuntu would be because arts kicks esd's ass
[03:23] <kbrooks> i want to remove kde
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you restart the sound subsystem in ubuntu?
[03:23] <Lathiat> Neil3: thats hardly a reason to goto kubuntu, use dmix instead :)
[03:23] <Neil3> hehe
[03:23] <apokryphos> kbrooks: :-O
[03:23] <Lathiat> dmix rocks
[03:24] <membreya> thoreauputic: gkrellm is too busy for my liking :P
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Neil3: interesting - I had nothing but grief with artsd when I used it
[03:24] <Neil3> yeah i am using dmix but gnome still needs esd for its own sounds
[03:24] <Lathiat> run esd on top of it and its great :)
[03:24] <Neil3> have had good experiences with artsd in the past
[03:24] <membreya> I prefer to use superkaramba
[03:24] <Lathiat> Neil3: you can run dmix with esd on dmix :)
[03:24] <Neil3> with knoppix etc
[03:24] <Pizbit> Neil3: ROFL, artsd isn't even developed anymore and it has more problems than swiss cheese has holes:)
[03:24] <Lathiat> Neil3: hell, you can run artsd as well then :)
[03:24] <Neil3> yeah but esd sounds awful
[03:24] <imka> can you people access bugzilla?
[03:24] <thoreauputic> membreya: does it lie to you about your mail? I wish gkrellm would...
[03:24] <Neil3> hm i could just grab polypaudio hehe
[03:24] <membreya> thoreauputic: I just run kmail ;)
[03:25] <Lathiat> Neil3: polypaudio isn't alot better
[03:25] <Lathiat> unfortunately
[03:25] <Neil3> :(
[03:25] <Lathiat> (largely due to post things just using the esd emulation)
[03:25] <Lathiat> i suspect using polypaudio directly it could be much better
[03:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: gkrellm also thinks my cpu temp is 127 C, which is patently false...
[03:26] <apokryphos> kbrooks: you can use the debfoster command
[03:26] <jintxo> can you guys recommend on of the multiple ftp servers available (with security in mind, no anonymous access)?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> but that isn't gkrellm's fault...
[03:26] <Lathiat> jintxo: proftpd
[03:26] <kent> Lathiat, i thought that polypaudio was considered to be better than esd? Is it not?
[03:26] <robos> sftp
[03:26] <kbrooks> after i edit menu.lst, do I just reboot?
[03:26] <robos> Jimbob, sftpd
[03:26] <jintxo> :-) Lathiat thanks, there are quite a few and I'd hate to try them ALL out, heh
[03:26] <Neil3> vsftpd, Jimbob
[03:27] <apokryphos> kbrooks: only if you want to see the changes in the bootloader
[03:27] <kbrooks> apokryphos, ?
[03:27] <Lathiat> jintxo: i use that on public servers and what not, never had a problem
[03:27] <Lathiat> kent: apparently, it has two problems
[03:27] <Lathiat> kent: a) upstream is a bit dead now
[03:27] <apokryphos> kbrooks: for removing all of KDE, like you said... you can use debfoster
[03:27] <kbrooks> yeah, i want to.
[03:27] <Lathiat> kent: (so im told)
[03:27] <Lathiat> kent: and b)
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know how to restart the sound system in ubuntu?
[03:27] <apokryphos> kbrooks: go for it then :)
[03:27] <Lathiat> kent: i think it sucks as much because no one is using the polypaudio interface atm
[03:27] <Lathiat> Kamping_Kaiser: killall -9 esd; esd & disown
[03:27] <crb> I've installed skype and libqt3c102-mt on Hoary; any idea why the fonts in Skype are about 2 times bigger than they should be?
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[03:27] <robos> how about killall -1 esd
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> does that restart it lathiat? or just stop it?
[03:28] <Neil3> crb i'm getting that too, it's something to do with QT
[03:28] <Lathiat> crb: qtconfig might help
[03:28] <kent> Lathiat, ok.  Didn't the Hoary have polypoaudio some time? I remember some problems about it.. but perhaps i dreamed :)
[03:28] <Lathiat> kent: yeh, they reverted (apparently mainly because upstream was non responsive)
[03:28] <ash880> where can I get information about getting sane to work? how do I add my scanner? or should it be automatically detecting?
[03:28] <sighnal> omg. xorg and transparency is really slow on a ATI X600
[03:28] <sighnal> =)
[03:28] <sighnal> (p4, 3.4ghz)
[03:28] <dc0e> hi all, can anybody tell me what Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty) is based on (i.e. what debian version)?
[03:28] <crb> hmm.  what files does qtconfig influence?  I'd rather not pull in all of Qt if I can help it :)
[03:29] <kent> Lathiat, i use esd and have no problems. I can play sound etc.. and thats all I want to do :) It sounds as it should aswell :)
[03:29] <crb> dc0e: debian sarge, at the time of its release.
[03:29] <kbrooks> installing
[03:29] <thoreauputic> crb, no - sid
[03:29] <apokryphos> kbrooks: you might want to take a look at this thread on the forum...
[03:29] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell kbrooks debfoster
[03:29] <Pyre> kbrooks: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24403
[03:29] <thoreauputic> crb, a snapshot of sid
[03:29] <dc0e> thanks
[03:30] <crb> sorry
[03:30] <Lathiat> kent: main problem is latency
[03:30] <femv> hi there
[03:30] <Lathiat> kent: so if you watch a video, the sound lags behind
[03:30] <Lathiat> kent: stopping/starting audio in various sound players also lags a bit
[03:30] <kbrooks> uhhh, strange
[03:30] <whiskers> i keep thinking about those guys getting the tv stuff to work...they go to a lot of trouble just so they can rip all the commercial cable and restricted content stuff
[03:31] <mvirkkil> Basically I don't want to cache the installed debs locally. What package do I need to dpkg-reconfigure?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> mvirkkil: just run apt-get clean
[03:31] <membreya> thoreauputic: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/snapshot.png
[03:32] <femv> people i have a problem... i did install ubuntu in my laptop ... and its giving this error message at startup : cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power... it comes up a hundred times and after it gets tired it dows boot up the normal way
[03:32] <mvirkkil> thoreauputic: Hmm.. I seem to remember that there is a package that asks me that question.
[03:32] <Lathiat> membreya: is that gdesklets?
[03:32] <crb> I think its the qtrc file for Skype fonts
[03:32] <membreya> ok Lathiat and thoreauputic retry that URL :P
[03:32] <membreya> only just finished uploading the pic
[03:32] <AcidWolf> i got a problem with hoary i got some error messages and i cant seem to solve this :(
[03:33] <femv> cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power ......!
[03:33] <thoreauputic> mvirkkil: dunno- apt-get clean will wipe them in a flash though
[03:33] <AcidWolf> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:33] <mvirkkil> thoreauputic: Ok thanks
[03:33] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: close synaptic
[03:33] <AcidWolf> doesnt work
[03:34] <AcidWolf> i tried that
[03:34] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: or any apt processes
[03:34] <AcidWolf> there are none running
[03:34] <AcidWolf> only Update Manager
[03:34] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: ps aux | grep dpkg
[03:34] <AcidWolf> and update manager is the one thats giving me the error
[03:34] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: Update Manager is also an apt frontend :/
[03:35] <Fob> just installed hoary.  when i hibernate, my desktop is frozen.  how can i get hibernate to work.
[03:35] <AcidWolf> root      6702  0.0  0.1   3028   792 pts/2    R+   21:34   0:00 grep dpkg
[03:35] <whiskers> it is just like all those people that went to all that trouble to write gnuxboxmanager so they could rip all the xbox dvds and put them on the internet for free
[03:35] <femv> anybody knows what to do with "cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power ......"! ???
[03:35] <whiskers> why do people go to all this trouble
[03:35] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: hmm - odd
[03:35] <tsume_> .win 3
[03:35] <AcidWolf> thoreauputic yeah i know
[03:35] <thoreauputic> whiskers: the challenge, probably
[03:36] <Fob> is standby supported in hoary?  if so, how do i get it to work?
[03:36] <whiskers> thoreauputic, strange very strange
[03:36] <AcidWolf> thoreauputic i downloded the hoary release and tried to install it but something in the base system wasnt working and the install failed so i installed my hoary preview and now i want to upgrade from that
[03:36] <membreya> thoreauputic: you didn't find my desktop pretty?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> whiskers: in case you hadn't noticed, the world is full of strange people ;-)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: haven't looked yet, sorry - too busy
[03:37] <binabik> hoary works great -- just wireless lan is causing trouble -- anyone tried/succeeded to get a usb Wirless stick (webr@cer) from topcom to work ?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: willl look soon I promise :)
[03:37] <apokryphos> membreya: get thy some other icons! :P Crystal is dated
[03:37] <jdub> okay everybody
[03:37] <sighnal> hm. mplayer apt source?
[03:37] <jdub> WHO LOVES UBUNTU?
[03:37] <jdub> you gotta yell "ME!"
[03:37] <jdub> WHO LOVES UBUNTU?
[03:37] <FooBarWidget> is it possible to install ubuntu on an existing partition without formatting it?
[03:37] <jdub> ME!
[03:38] <zenwhen> ME!
[03:38] <daniels> jdub: YOU!
[03:38] <FreezerX>  I get problems when writing to a mounted ntfs-partition of winxp?
[03:38] <FreezerX> Do I
[03:38] <sls> I installed KDE  and now it is set up with kdm instead of gdm
[03:38] <membreya> apokryphos: what would you recommend?
[03:38] <Nekohayoo> FreezerX, NTFS writing is experimental
[03:38] <apokryphos> membreya: that superkaramba theme could do with a bit of tweaking ;-), though I personally think there are better ones for the job
[03:38] <membreya> apart from plastik :)
[03:38] <sls> how do I switch it back?
[03:38] <Nekohayoo> it's not something you should use
[03:38] <jdub> oh dudes
[03:38] <zenwhen> FreezerX, because you cant write to it without somehting like captive ntfs
[03:38] <jdub> c'mon
[03:38] <jdub> where is the love?
[03:38] <membreya> apokryphos: the superkaramba these does exactly what I need :P
[03:38] <jdub> where is the excitement?
[03:38] <jdub> WHO LOVES UBUNTU?
[03:38] <apokryphos> membreya: there are Plastik icons? Hold on, I'll make a little list of good ones
[03:38] <jdub> ME!
[03:38] <FreezerX> Even if it is simply a textfile?
[03:39] <Nekohayoo> jdub, I love iiit
[03:39] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - still downloading on dialup : I have amusic stream hogging my puny bandwidth :)
[03:39] <daniels> ME!  AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT REPRESENTED HERE!
[03:39] <sls> where does X decide what login manager to use
[03:39] <daniels> (tee hee, 'represent')
[03:39] <Rod> hi : (
[03:39] <dj28> how safe is ntfs write support from within linux?
[03:39] <daniels> i <3 ubuntu
[03:39] <ogra> jdub, we love it all !!
[03:39] <ups> jdub: ME TOO!
[03:39] <daniels> sls: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm
[03:39] <dholbach> woohoo!
[03:39] <apokryphos> membreya: precisely! Now, which is why it would be nice to have other ones that do the same job. Hold on, making icon list...
[03:39] <zenwhen> dj28, with captive it is supposedly pretty safe.
[03:39] <binabik> you got to love it !
[03:39] <sls> ok
[03:39] <zenwhen> Yet slow.
[03:39] <nikola> should som1 help me to get properly wrk SoundBlaster Audigy 2 nx < ? ;)
[03:39] <FooBarWidget> is it possible to install ubuntu on an existing partition without formatting it?
[03:39] <Nekohayoo> jdub, I've been sharing it since yesterday to share the looooooove 2.68gb of love shared so far!
[03:39] <thomas001> can i get mkinitrd to work with SATA devices?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> jdub: rah! rah! ;-)
[03:39] <Nekohayoo> XD
[03:39] <zenwhen> FooBarWidget, no.
[03:39] <jdub> okay
[03:39] <jdub> so
[03:40] <jdub> everybody who loves ubuntu
[03:40] <Rod> look; the prob is... my network doesnt work, it's a onboard asus k8n-deluxe  Binary drivers fail to install
[03:40] <jdub> should be on...
[03:40] <jdub> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide
[03:40] <jdub> ^ the global map of ubuntu love!
[03:40] <binabik> hoary works great -- just wireless lan is causing trouble -- anyone tried/succeeded to get a usb Wirless stick (webr@cer) from topcom to work ?
[03:40] <chefkoch-2002> cant get nvmixer to work. evertime i want to set the options in the gui, i get the error "swap linein failed"
[03:40] <kbrooks> yay
[03:40] <FooBarWidget> :(  there goes my plans for installing ubuntu
[03:40] <femv> People i have ubuntu 4.x how can i upgrade to 5.x
[03:40] <zenwhen> binabik, have you seached the model number of the wireless device and the word "linux" to see if linux drivers have been made?
[03:41] <dholbach> FooBarWidget: the installer should be clever enough to move partitions
[03:41] <dholbach> FooBarWidget: be sure to make a BACKUP before
[03:41] <ogra> femv, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[03:41] <SuperQ> neat
[03:41] <daniels> jdub: you do realise the staggering irresponsibility of pointing people to a HUGE GODDAMN IMAGE in a cage which has ABSOLUTELY NO BANDWIDTH LEFT?
[03:41] <zenwhen> the ubuntu installer resizes ntfs partititons now?
[03:41] <FooBarWidget> dholbach: I just want to install ubuntu to an existing ReiserFS partition without formatting it
[03:41] <Nekohayoo> LOL jdub theres that beatles song playing just RIGHT NOW : All my loving I will send to you, all my loving darling I'll be true
[03:42] <SuperQ> zenwhen: yes, you can shrink NTFS on install
[03:42] <jdub> Nekohayoo: ALL MY LOVING!
[03:42] <kent> jdub, is it for developers or for users of Ubuntu?
[03:42] <SuperQ> zenwhen: it's reccomended you defrag first
[03:42] <jdub> Nekohayoo: I love Ubuntu...!
[03:42] <jdub> kent: LOVERS of ubuntu
[03:42] <jdub> kent: it is for LOVERS
[03:42] <femv> ogra whats the diff of hoary and warty
[03:42] <zenwhen> SuperQ, I see. I havent had windows intalled for ages, but that sounds pretty neat.
[03:42] <daniels> jdub: scorchio!
[03:42] <binabik> when I try to install a driver for wlan -- It says /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/ no such file or directory -- I did install the sources for the kernel... what am I missing ?!
[03:42] <SuperQ> zenwhen: it's going to be great for the installfest this weekend
[03:42] <zenwhen> install the kernel headers
[03:43] <zenwhen> binabik, ^^
[03:43] <zenwhen> this channel flies by
[03:43] <ogra> femv, lots of new software, new kernel ( and more supprted HW) ....
[03:43] <zenwhen> I am going to sit here and answer every question I see for a few hours.
[03:43] <Rod> how to disable ip 6?
[03:44] <binabik> lots of headers zenwhen...
[03:44] <femv> ogra ... is this a final release ?
[03:44] <Rod> zenrox, there you go :)
[03:44] <ogra> yup
[03:44] <kent> jdub, wouldn't that soon become a map with only dots,? I meen, a couple of thousand dots will make it into a bad map, but a greap picture of dots.  or?
[03:44] <zenwhen> binabik, you need the ones for your kernel version
[03:44] <jdub> kent: yes to all these questions
[03:44] <Striss> Could somebody help me with a network bridge? I'm not having much luck with it...my eth0 is connected to the router and eth1 running into my mac
[03:44] <ogra> jdub, time for an vrml globe with zoom functionallity :)
[03:44] <Rod> how to disable ipvblala6?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> membreya: you desktop is very nice by the way :)
[03:45] <jdub> ogra: ;)
[03:45] <binabik> installing the headers zenwhen -- thanks for the tip..
[03:45] <zenwhen> no problem
[03:45] <blizzo> hi is it true that there is no gcc in hoary release? I want to install licq so i need gcc ;)
[03:45] <dholbach> jdub, ogra: time for MovieOS, eh?
[03:45] <dholbach> blizzo: apt-get install build-essential
[03:46] <blizzo> dholbach: thx!!
[03:46] <grivell> Striss: Got bridge-utils installed?
[03:46] <dholbach> blizzo: who told you there was no gcc?
[03:46] <Rod> how to disable ipv6, please?
[03:46] <ogra> dholbach, YEAH !
[03:46] <zenwhen> I think GCC is on the disk but is not installed by default. I think you can just run "sudo apt-get install build-essential" and be done.
[03:46] <Striss> grivell yup
[03:46] <thoreauputic> blizzo: licq is in universe, by the way
[03:46] <Striss> Once i setup my bridge, I lose my internet connection
[03:47] <jdub> Striss: did you set a gateway on the br0 interface?
[03:47] <zenwhen> Striss, what are you attempting to accomplish?
[03:47] <kbrooks> Pyre, b-e is <reply>apt-get install build-essential
[03:47] <Striss> jdub nope, I couldnt figure out how
[03:47] <binabik> GCC is not on the system by default.. adding it now in fact :-)
[03:47] <Striss> zenwhen trying to get internet passed along to another computer, 2 ethernet adapters in this pc
[03:47] <apokryphos> kbrooks: hehe. Whatwhat?
[03:47] <jdub> Striss: same as other interfaces, it's a normal stanza in interfaces
[03:47] <Striss> I dunno much about that
[03:48] <Striss> I can setup the bridge fine, but I don't know what to change in my /etc/network/interfaces
[03:48] <kbrooks> apokryphos, meh
[03:48] <blizzo> dholbach: licq : told me # checking for gcc... no
[03:48] <Get> Hi! I'm going to install ubuntu with my wireless card that I use ndiswrapper for the drivers, I have it on a cd, but is it gcc on the cd?
[03:48] <kbrooks> Pyre, b-e
[03:48] <kbrooks> strange
[03:48] <dholbach> blizzo: it should be in universe, so you won't have to stress yourself
[03:48] <zenwhen> Striss, I have had a lot of luck with just installing ipmasq and dnsmasq and letting my main computer hand out dhcpc leases with dnsmasq.
[03:48] <tanek> anyone knows what to do about: "E: linux-image-2.6-386:  unable to open files list file for package `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied"
[03:48] <deception_inuk> Get: no
[03:48] <apokryphos> kbrooks: what ya trying to do? ;-)
[03:48] <zenwhen> dnsmasq is super easy to configure
[03:48] <Get> :(
[03:48] <Striss> zenwhen, yeah I can just do that?
[03:49] <Get> any idea how to slove it then?
[03:49] <Striss> I didn't know
[03:49] <Nekohayoo> jdub, how do I add my coords? I edit the page and just enter them plain text?
[03:49] <dcraven_zzz> deception_inuk, you sure about that?
[03:49] <jdub> Striss: add a gateway to that stanza
[03:49] <kent> jdub, sorry for being a dumbass, but what does it imply to be a lover of Ubuntu. I use it, and I kind of love it, though i dont help much, and I dont want to sleep with it...  But I wouldn't mind putting a dot in the map :)
[03:49] <kbrooks> apokryphos, add a factoid
[03:49] <zenwhen> yeah, you will have to play around with /etc/dnsmasq.conf but its a fun learning experience.
[03:49] <jdub> Nekohayoo: yes, or add a comment
[03:49] <deception_inuk> dcraven_zzz: well it wasnt on when I installed earlier this morning
[03:49] <jdub> kent: you love ubuntu, go for it
[03:49] <Striss> zenwhen ok I'll try that
[03:49] <deception_inuk> Get: can you cable it to a switch on your WAP?
[03:49] <zenwhen> jdub, I think i should inform you that I LOVE UBUNTU
[03:49] <dcraven> deception_inuk, good enough for me :). I thought it was.
[03:49] <jdub> zenwhen: then you should be on that map!
[03:50] <Striss> ipmasq and dnsmasq it is....Do I need to recompile my kernel?
[03:50] <dcraven> Just not installed.
[03:50] <blizzo> thoreauptic: yes maybe its in universe but is it the newest version? Universe is not supported. They dont fix securityholes et cetera ...
[03:50] <apokryphos> kbrooks: I tend to normally record links, but you can do that -- query him and type "help"
[03:50] <Get> deception_inuk: I don't have any cable
[03:50] <zenwhen> link to map good sir
[03:50] <asdgh> hi all
[03:50] <kbrooks> i want to clean my cache
[03:50] <deception_inuk> dcraven_zzz : well im not 100%, because I installed it at 4am ;)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> blizzo: check version with `apt-cache policy licq`
[03:50] <dholbach> blizzo: WE FIX SECURITY HOLES :-)
[03:50] <kbrooks> apt-cache clean doesnt help
[03:50] <asdgh> how can I add marillat repositories on amd64?
[03:50] <apokryphos> kbrooks: your apt cache? sudo apt-get clean
[03:50] <SuperQ> OMG WTF LOL
[03:50] <dcraven> Get, hold up a sec.
[03:50] <dholbach> blizzo: not as fast as for main, but we do
[03:51] <SuperQ> Hitachi's Perpendicular video
[03:51] <binabik> shoot -- ieee802_11 no such file or directory... how come they call ubuntu Linux for human beings ? getting WLAN to work sure seems to take the humanity out of it...
[03:51] <asdgh> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:51] <asdgh> that is not working
[03:51] <blizzo> dholbach: really? oh ... I didnt know that.
[03:51] <Get> dcraven: k
[03:51] <dholbach> blizzo: :-)
[03:51] <dholbach> blizzo: MOTU power! :-)
[03:51] <Rod> nobody can tell me how to shut of ipv6? in windows this would have been  a peace of cake
[03:51] <bassMonkey> help! I accidentally removed the gnome systray, how can I get it back?
[03:51] <Nekohayoo> jdub, is it me or it's REAL slow?
[03:51] <jdub> Nekohayoo: the website is under some strain atm
[03:51] <dholbach> bassMonkey: rightclick on the panel, add to panel -> systray
[03:52] <Nekohayoo> bassMonkey, right click on--
[03:52] <dcraven> Get, I have the ISO on my laptop.. Lemme boot the machine, mount the image and have a look inside.
[03:52] <Nekohayoo> XD too quick for me
[03:52] <Striss> zenwhen after installing ipmasq and dnsmasq, do I just edit dnsmasq.conf?
[03:52] <Get> dcraven: k
[03:52] <bassMonkey> dholbach: there is no such option
[03:52] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: add applet "notification area" from right click on panel
[03:53] <Get> dcraven: would be realynice of you if you do it..
[03:53] <dholbach> bassMonkey: notifications applet or something
[03:53] <dholbach> bassMonkey: i have the german translation, so i can't really tell
[03:53] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: thank you! It works now!!
[03:53] <binabik> this is what ubuntu spits out when I try to install a driver -- not very human...pedr@lubupedr:~/zd1201$ make
[03:53] <binabik> make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ M=/home/pedr/zd1201 modules
[03:53] <binabik> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386'
[03:53] <binabik>   CC [M]   /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.o
[03:53] <binabik> /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.c:24:24: ieee802_11.h: No such file or directory
[03:53] <binabik> /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.c: In function `zd1201_usbrx':
[03:53] <binabik> /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.c:331: error: `IEEE802_11_SCTL_FRAG' undeclared (first use in this function)
[03:53] <binabik> /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.c:331: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[03:53] <binabik> /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.c:331: error: for each function it appears in.)
[03:53] <binabik> /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.c:332: error: `IEEE802_11_FCTL_MOREFRAGS' undeclared (first use in this function)
[03:53] <binabik> /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.c:344: error: `IEEE802_11_DATA_LEN' undeclared (first use in this function)
[03:53] <binabik> /home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.c:349: error: `IEEE802_11_SCTL_SEQ' undeclared (first use in this function)
[03:53] <binabik> make[2] : *** [/home/pedr/zd1201/zd1201.o]  Error 1
[03:54] <binabik> make[1] : *** [_module_/home/pedr/zd1201]  Error 2
[03:54] <joha_> Hi again!
[03:54] <binabik> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386'
[03:54] <Fator_Dee> not very human to spam...
[03:54] <apokryphos> binabik: Please don't flood the channel
[03:54] <binabik> make: *** [modules]  Error 2
[03:54] <thoreauputic> binabik: flooding the channel is even less human :/
[03:54] <kent> binabik, stop!
[03:54] <bassMonkey> lol
[03:54] <joha_> kent: I don't think it's under his control anymore
[03:54] <thoreauputic> binabik: you just failed the humanity test, i guess...
[03:54] <slashg> I have problems installing mplayer, apt says:  depends on libfontconfig1 and libvorbis0a, but wrong versions installed. Does anyone know how to solve this?
[03:54] <Neil3> he's a droid!
[03:54] <joha_> I just upgraded to Hoary, and now my addressbook entries are missing from Evolution
[03:54] <tuppa> no, he's a vampire!
[03:54] <joha_> How can this be fixed?
[03:55] <Neil3> joha_, same here
[03:55] <Nekohayoo> jdub, there's some kind of syntax I must follow in the comment?
[03:55] <jdub> same as the others
[03:55] <jdub> follow the pattern :)
[03:55] <binabik> bye
[03:55] <Pyre>  Hasta luego, amigo.
[03:55] <louis_> hi
[03:55] <joha_> Neil3: Good news is, the entries are not lost, addressbook.db is still intact.
[03:55] <joha_> NeoCool_: What the heck are YOU doing in here?
[03:56] <Neil3> yeah joha_ i notices that
[03:56] <kent> jdub, does that page automaticly put dots where people live, or do some poor person put them there manually?
[03:57] <jdub> kent: it's all done with xplanet
[03:57] <kent> jdub, cool.
[03:57] <joha_> jdub: Do you as a Gnome guy have any idea as to how the addressbook entries in Evolution can be made to reappear after the Hoary upgrade?
[03:57] <dcraven> Get, it is in fact on the install cd.
[03:58] <jdub> joha_: hrm
[03:58] <Get> dcraven: gcc?
[03:58] <jdub> joha_: should migrate automagically
[03:58] <jdub> joha_: might be worth asking in #evolution on irc.gnome.org
[03:58] <jdub> joha_: mention 2.0 -> 2.2 migration
[03:58] <joha_> jdub: The mails did, the addressbook didn't. The entries are still in addressbook.db though.
[03:58] <Get> dcraven: or ndiswrapper?
[03:58] <joha_> jdub: Okay, I will. Thanks.
[03:58] <dcraven> Get, install the package "build-essential" off of the CD and you will get your toolchain. Includeing gcc.
[03:59] <NeoCool_> joha_: ogra huh?
[03:59] <dcraven> Get, ndiswrapper is also on there, but I think the version is old compared to going to sourceforge.
[03:59] <NeoCool_> s/ogra//
[03:59] <blizzo> OpenSSL support is not available.  Licq will not be able to establish secure communication channels. Note you need version 0.9.5a or greater BUT: openssl: /usr/bin/openssl /usr/share/man/man1/openssl.1ssl.gz (v.0.9.7e-3)
[03:59] <Get> dcraven: k
[04:00] <dcraven> Get, ndiswrapper-1.0rc2 is on the CD.
[04:00] <Get> so I install the system first, the i boot up and get gcc from the cd?
[04:00] <joha_> NeoCool_: Nope, rapha
[04:00] <kbrooks> i want to install every package enumerated from a file
[04:00] <kbrooks> how do i do so
[04:00] <kbrooks> ?
[04:00] <dcraven> Get, you install "build-essential" actually. That will get you gcc.
[04:00] <NeoCool_> joha_: heh, you and your werid nicks
[04:00] <Tomcat_> I got that "ipw2200 breaks sometimes, have to rmmod/modprobe" bug... but my question is: Why does the network card sleep after some time? Where are the sleep scripts? (It seems to happen after 15 minutes of inactivity)
[04:01] <Get> dcraven: but do I install it during the install or after?
[04:01] <dcraven> Get, build-essential is a metapackage that I think gets you stuff like automake, autconf, gcc, etc etc
[04:01] <jdub> ups: :-)
[04:01] <Get> dcraven: 1.0RC is not so old...
[04:01] <dcraven> Get, after would be fine.
[04:01] <joha_> NeoCool_: My gf's nick
[04:01] <Get> dcraven: k, thank you very much
[04:01] <dcraven> Get, no it's not bad, but it wouldn't work for my chipset.
[04:01] <dcraven> Get, anytime.
[04:02] <dcraven> Get, if that version works for you (probably) you won't even need gcc.
[04:03] <kbrooks> i want to install every package enumerated from a file.
[04:03] <tanek> what can i do about "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/wine_0.0.20050310-1.1_i386.deb:  unable to open files list file for package `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied" ??? :(
[04:04] <Nekohayoo> tanek, use sudo before the command
[04:04] <tanek> i did
[04:04] <Nekohayoo> don't have synaptic open at the same time
[04:04] <whiskers> apparently the linux guys have already completely ripped nvidias restricted stuff too
[04:04] <dcraven> cd
[04:04] <tanek> i dont
[04:04] <dcraven> oops :)
[04:05] <Nekohayoo> hmm that's about the restricted modules.. umm
[04:05] <joha_> WHAAA!
[04:05] <jdub> kent: someone must've edited at the same time
[04:05] <Nekohayoo> are you doing this in tty1 ?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> tanek: close synaptic or update manager or any apt processes you have running already
[04:05] <whiskers> because when i first installed this thing....nvidia opengl was working without the proprietary nvidia drivers but just was a little slow
[04:05] <Nekohayoo> kent, I'm editing
[04:05] <joha_> What has happened to Nautilus' spatial mode???
[04:05] <joha_> Why does it do everything in ONE window??
[04:05] <Neil3> joha_, yeah i noticed that hehe
[04:05] <Nekohayoo> see in the prefs
[04:05] <whiskers> how did they rip all that nvidia stuff
[04:05] <Neil3> its actually nicer
[04:05] <Neil3> but took a while to get used to
[04:05] <kent> cant two people edit the wiki at the same time?
[04:05] <joha_> Neil3: It sucks if you want to move things around
[04:05] <tanek> i have closed synaptic, and i have tried both sudo and su, still no permission
[04:06] <jdub> kent: tell me how the wiki should resolve that ;)
[04:06] <tanek> and i cannot reinstall or remove them
[04:06] <kent> jdub, like, stop everyone else but me? ;)
[04:06] <Nekohayoo> kent!
[04:06] <dcraven> kbrooks, "cat filename | xargs sudo apt-get install" might work.
[04:06] <Nekohayoo> I'm editing at the same time (sorry about that) but it's dead slow
[04:06] <tanek> Nekohayoo: tty1?
[04:06] <kent> Kent, Clark Kent. The world depends on me!
[04:07] <Nekohayoo> tanek, ctrl-alt-F1, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (use start later to get the GUI back)
[04:07] <whiskers> these guys know how to rip everything
[04:07] <falcon3_> i have the choice to choose between rpm and source to install smth, what should i take?
[04:07] <individ> hi all , is there a program to download full web pages? like i want to download the whole thing cause i dont have internel all the time
[04:08] <Fator_Dee> individ: well, there's wget
[04:08] <dcraven> joha, do you want to change nautilus back to the old behaviour?
[04:08] <individ> Fator_Dee,  so i just wget *web page adress* ?
[04:08] <Fator_Dee> individ: I'd do "man wget" first :-)
[04:09] <markuman> hello. someone here use jabber? whicht client are you using?
[04:09] <dcraven> individ, try httrack.
[04:09] <Fator_Dee> I haven't used that function so I don't know exactly how to do it
[04:09] <jdub> markuman: gossip
[04:09] <falcon3_> i have the choice to choose between rpm and source to install smth, what should i take?
[04:09] <blizzo> markuman: psi
[04:09] <Nekohayoo> is anybody still editing the wiki page right now?
[04:09] <individ> dcraven, ok thanks
[04:09] <Nekohayoo> tanek, anything better?
[04:09] <dcraven> individ, sure.
[04:09] <Aisi> i've corrected my edit
[04:10] <tanek> Nekohayoo: no
[04:10] <individ> dcraven, yep . that was what i was looking for
[04:10] <dcraven> markuman, gaim unfortunately.
[04:10] <dcraven> individ, cool.
[04:10] <flodine> can someone tell me where to see my video card at?
[04:10] <dcraven> flodine, lspci
[04:10] <Secks> What's the status on DVD burning? Is there an easily installable DVD burning package?
[04:11] <EvilIdler> Secks: K3B
[04:11] <jdub> Secks: if you're just doing data or iso burning, nautilus can do that
[04:11] <falcon3_> How do I compile & install from source?
[04:11] <whiskers> Secks, yes there is but you can't be in the US
[04:11] <markuman> psi and gaim i know. thx. i will try gossip
[04:12] <jintxo> falcon3_, whatever source package you have should have an INSTALL or README file. that's the place to start
[04:12] <dcraven> flodine, "lspci | grep VGA" might find JUST it.. the lspci command shows all pci devices.
[04:12] <flodine> is there a grafical why to see my video card
[04:12] <tanek> grr
[04:12] <blizzo> markuman: hmm licq?
[04:12] <flodine> way
[04:12] <tanek> should've stayed with warty, noting works in hoary
[04:12] <Nekohayoo> jdub, but there's still that 4.0gb bug in nautilus isn't it?
[04:12] <dcraven> flodine, does System-->Administration-->Device manager work?
[04:13] <pakkiri> how do I check the diskspace on my /home?
[04:13] <blizzo> markuman: well forget about licq ... it sucks. Damn ... already installed openssl but licq cant find it
[04:13] <pakkiri> Also can I install java in a FAT partition?
[04:13] <Xenguy> pakkiri: du -h /home
[04:13] <apokryphos> falcon3_: (i) ./configure (ii) make (iii) sudo make install
[04:13] <falcon3_> thx
[04:13] <eruin> anyone know what needs to be done to make gnome->computer:/// recognize mounted partitions?
[04:13] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: or df /home
[04:13] <whiskers> Secks, oh sorry i thought you were asking about dvd rippiing
[04:13] <apokryphos> falcon3_: it's worth learning what each one does: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=15
[04:14] <jintxo> pakkiri, df to see how much is used/free, du to see how much space files/directories take
[04:14] <whiskers> Secks, yes there are burning programs that you can use even in the US
[04:14] <markuman> blizzo. gossip is ok, but not perfect ;-) but better as psi for the first
[04:14] <Secks> whiskers: Like what? I use gnome
[04:14] <blizzo> markuman: you dont like psi? Why not?
[04:14] <Xenguy> pakkiri: (think Disk Usage, or Disk Free)
[04:14] <pakkiri> Ubuntu has taken up a lot of space with lot of unwanted packages
[04:14] <whiskers> Secks, well on gnome i am having good luck with gnombaker
[04:14] <pakkiri> hmm
[04:14] <Nekohayoo> there it is, wiki updated with love :)
[04:15] <whiskers> and for small stuff nautilus dvd writer
[04:15] <Fator_Dee> they say graveman is also a good burning app, haven't tested it yet though
[04:15] <markuman> don't know blizzo. question of taste
[04:15] <Xenguy> . o O (yer welcome :-)
[04:15] <Secks> whiskers: is it on synaptic?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: you packages won't be in /home
[04:15] <pakkiri> thoreauputic: I know but it was a general comment
[04:15] <whiskers> Secks, well i don't know...because i had to go get it when i installed this stuff
[04:15] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: OK :-)
[04:16] <Secks> whiskers: Not on synaptic
[04:16] <whiskers> Fator_Dee, well i tested graveman and it works but it only burns an iso file not the original files
[04:17] <pakkiri> I use Windows at my workplace so I haven't had a chance to mess around with Ubuntu in a while
[04:17] <whiskers> Secks, well it is out there..somewhere
[04:17] <apokryphos> Secks: gnomebaker? yes it is; it's in Universe.
[04:17] <pakkiri> thoreauputic: removing java would just be removing the directories right?
[04:17] <blizzo> is anyone in here using licq?
[04:18] <Secks> i'm going to try graveman, if that doesn't work we'll try to fin gnomebaker
[04:18] <LucyMaGoose> hmm, I don't seem to be able to get into my ibooks open firmware any more on boot
[04:18] <apokryphos> whiskers: it's in Universe
[04:18] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: not sure - I've never removed java :)
[04:18] <Bongle> Ok, so now that hoary is mainstream, where do I go for unstable ? :)
[04:18] <apokryphos> Bongle: not out yet :P
[04:19] <fuoco> ayone knows what patchset ubuntu uses for its kernel?
[04:19] <pakkiri> thoreauputic: how do u upgrade?
[04:19] <Bongle> Yeah, I tried changing to breezy in apt but said not found :)
[04:19] <Aisi> whiskers: graveman will burn iso's... it is confusingly in the Duplicate CD tab
[04:19] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: sorry?
[04:19] <pakkiri> thoreauputic: I want to get JDK 5.0
[04:19] <pakkiri> I have j2sdk 1.4.2_04
[04:19] <bling> java.sun.com
[04:20] <Bongle> Anyone know why I'm getting I/O Errors when I run growisofs?
[04:20] <Bongle> Specifically when burning dvds
[04:20] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: I don't know - I rarely need java - someone else might know
[04:20] <crimsun> Dreamer3: no, recompiling nvidia.ko won't affect it.
[04:20] <kbrooks> i need to remove ALL TRACES OF kde.
[04:21] <bling> I know... go to java.sun.com, there you should find a link to download java... just folllow the instructions
[04:21] <kbrooks> how do i do so
[04:21] <apokryphos> kbrooks: did you look at hte link I gave you? I said you could use debfoster =)
[04:21] <jdub> kbrooks: removing the qt package will get you pretty far
[04:21] <crimsun> Dreamer3: have you tried simply specifying on boot (the kernel command line) to use regular vga?
[04:21] <fuoco> anyone knows what patchset ubuntu uses for its kernel?
[04:21] <Bongle> could search for kde in name and description and kind of prune through anythat don't actually mean kde
[04:21] <pakkiri> thoreauputic: what do u use?
[04:21] <crimsun> fuoco: apt-get linux-tree-2.6.10
[04:21] <crimsun> fuoco: apt-get install, rather
[04:21] <apokryphos> No need to do all that -- debfoster can sort it all out.
[04:22] <crimsun> fuoco: then look in the /usr/src/linux-patches/ dir
[04:22] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: I have jre 1.5 something here from sun. This is a fairly new install ( a couple of months)
[04:22] <fuoco> crimsun: i'm not using ubuntu now, so it's a bit impossible ... :(
[04:23] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: I don't usually bother with java - it's dipensible for me
[04:23] <thoreauputic> *dispensible
[04:23] <InitMass> omg, fluxbox is very slow now after the upgrade
[04:23] <dcraven> fuoco, they are in the package linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.10 (or sub in your kernel version).
[04:23] <crimsun> fuoco: all right, well those are the steps you'd take
[04:24] <pakkiri> thoreauputic: no I mean what language do u use?
[04:24] <markuman> i can't remember...what was the name for the dvd burning tool. dvd+- something...?
[04:24] <whiskers> Aisi, yes i know graveman burns isos that is what i said...but it will not burn the original files
[04:24] <Fator_Dee> dvd+rw-tools?
[04:24] <LinuxSword> hi ;)
[04:24] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: ? are you assuming I'm a coder? I write a few little bash scripts, that's all
[04:24] <markuman> yes. that was it. thx
[04:24] <whiskers> Aisi, if you select a bunch of files all you get is one iso file burned
[04:25] <whiskers> Aisi, you don't get the original files
[04:25] <dcraven> pakkiri, Python rules.
[04:25] <sighnal> hm. do i need a special kernel module for pci-express support?
[04:25] <blizzo> thoreauptic: did you write the pizza script? ;)
[04:25] <markuman> are there any amd64 packages for dvd+rw-tools?
[04:26] <apokryphos> markuman: yes
[04:26] <crimsun> sighnal: yes, but it's autoloaded on boot
[04:26] <thoreauputic> blizzo: yes, the timer ?
[04:26] <markuman> apokryphos, now i have found
[04:26] <EvilIdler> markuman: k3b writes DVDs without problems here
[04:26] <blizzo> thoreauputic: yes ;)
[04:26] <Secks> Do I need a DivX codec for playback of divX files, and is there such a thing?
[04:27] <Fator_Dee> w32codec
[04:27] <pakkiri> dcraven: yeah I have liked python
[04:27] <Bongle> EvilIdler, Did you have to install anything special?
[04:27] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Secks uburestricted
[04:27] <Pyre> Secks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:27] <thoreauputic> blizzo: have you tried it? Very simple little timer..
[04:27] <Secks> thanks
[04:27] <sighnal> crimsun: i want to setup hardware 3D acc. i installed xorg-driver-fglrx (i've got an x600 pci-express)
[04:27] <pakkiri> dcraven: my problem with learning languages is I need to do something fun to keep going at it
[04:27] <sighnal> :)
[04:27] <EvilIdler> Bongle: It came with kubuntu-desktop. Nothing special.
[04:27] <pakkiri> and it doesn't help that I'm a lazy asshole
[04:28] <dcraven> pakkiri, that's everybody's problem.
[04:28] <membreya> is there any easy way to merge partitions in k/ubuntu? I'm ditching windows and I want to use it's 21gb partition
[04:28] <blizzo> thoreauputic: yes very usefull little timer though! ;9
[04:28] <Xappe> membreya: gparted perhaps?
[04:28] <Bongle> EvilIdler, dang, i've done essentially the same thing but get errors with growisofs :(
[04:28] <thoreauputic> blizzo: thanks, nice to know it's being used :)
[04:29] <flodine> witch java do i install from the manager for limewire to work
[04:29] <Bongle> For example: :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=4h/ASC=09h/ACQ=01h] : Input/output error
[04:29] <dj28> does anyone know how to get the key F1 to pass through gnome-terminal to the app running in the terminal? as of right now, it brings up a help window
[04:29] <crimsun> sighnal: should be as simple as following wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:29] <andrewski> dj28: can't you set keyboard shortcuts in gnome-terminal?
[04:29] <EvilIdler> Bongle: I did "apt-get install anjuta kubuntu-desktop" directly after finishing a base Hoary install
[04:29] <markuman> for x86 there was a package growiso. but on amd64 i don't found it
[04:29] <dj28> andrewski, er, i just found that option
[04:30] <dj28> i retract my question
[04:30] <dj28> ;)
[04:30] <flodine> whats the main java  from package manager
[04:30] <Bongle> EvilIdler, well I have the kde things installed, and anjuta doesn't effect dvd burning i would hope :)
[04:30] <flodine> holla
[04:30] <EvilIdler> Bongle: Just telling you I did very little apart from a base install ;)
[04:30] <blizzo> pakkiri: what about robocode ;)
[04:30] <sighnal> crimsun: the "fglrx" kernel module is loaded
[04:30] <Bongle> yeah
[04:30] <Bongle> sucks for me :)
[04:31] <Secks> OK, none of the Ubuntu guide pages are loading for adding Multiverse and Marillat
[04:31] <pakkiri> blizzo: I would really like to do something with C++ but tutorials only teach u the language, they don't entice u to do anything creative
[04:31] <whiskers> Aisi, see when you select files in graveman and go to the next step...the only choice it gives  you is to write an iso file
[04:31] <individ> divx for linux? btw i cant install mplayer on ubuntu 5.04 64 bit version
[04:31] <thoreauputic> is it me or is the ubuntu site incredibly slow?
[04:32] <pakkiri> thoreauputic:  I think it must be u ;-)
[04:32] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: it is, and it's ugly now IMO.
[04:32] <whiskers> Aisi, and when you do it collects all the files into one iso file
[04:32] <jdub> thoreauputic: it's under some strain, as you could imagine
[04:32] <Xappe> thoreauputic: well, a big release usually slows down everything :)
[04:32] <blizzo> pakkiri: yes but thats creative tough : http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/05/03/18/2339206.shtml at least suppose to be fun
[04:32] <Secks> Can someone provide the lines to add to sources.list for multiverse and marillat?
[04:32] <theine> hi, I don't seem to be able to use keyboard shortcuts as defined under System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. Are those handled by the window manager by any chance?
[04:32] <whiskers> Aisi, now i don't know why it does that...but anyway gnomebaker is more like k3b
[04:32] <thoreauputic> jdub: yes, close to /. ed I guess - fair enough
[04:32] <pakkiri> at present I need a mentor
[04:33] <pakkiri> any idea how I can find a mentor?
[04:33] <sighnal> crimsun: i think there is no support for pci-express cards. :/
[04:33] <Xappe> pakkiri: sudo apt-get install mentor?
[04:33] <Xappe> :)
[04:33] <flodine> i need java machine help
[04:33] <flodine> holla
[04:33] <thoreauputic> pakkiri: take the pebbles from my hand, Grasshopper ;-)
[04:34] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[04:34] <pakkiri> haha
[04:35] <Secks> Anyone?
[04:35] <crimsun> sighnal: in the ATI drivers? Have you looked on the ATI forums?
[04:35] <Secks> Trying to add Multiverse and Marillat, ubuntu guides are down
[04:35] <crimsun> sighnal: Ubuntu's kernel definitely supports PCI-E
[04:35] <blizzo> flodine: java.sun.com .... get jdk 5.0
[04:35] <pakkiri> just having the potential is not enough, I need to translate it into something useful
[04:35] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Secks uburestricted
[04:35] <Pyre> Secks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:35] <sighnal> crimsun: i looked at many forums *G3
[04:36] <whiskers> i still can't figure out how these linux people ripped all those nvidia stuff
[04:36] <Secks> Ok, let me restate that the ubuntu guides are down
[04:36] <whiskers> but it is not as fast ...but still ripped
[04:36] <Secks> and let me further state I am not a tard
[04:36] <apokryphos> Secks: it loads here
[04:36] <flodine> blizzo the manager dont have one
[04:36] <apokryphos> Secks: add "multiverse" to the archive.ubuntu.com line
[04:36] <srbaker> yo
[04:37] <daniels> whiskers: what nVidia stuff?
[04:37] <srbaker> i have  GeForce4 MX 400
[04:37] <srbaker> 440 even
[04:37] <srbaker> DRI isn't enabled.  how do i enable it?
[04:37] <daniels> sighnal: um no, the ATI drivers both in hoary and as released from ATI support PCIE
[04:37] <apokryphos> Secks: and add: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:37] <blizzo> flodine: dont think so
[04:37] <sighnal> daniels: hm. it dont work here.
[04:37] <whiskers> daniels, well when i first installed ubuntu....the nvidia opengl stuff was working at about 40f/s....completely ripped....but not as fast as the nvidia_glx
[04:37] <bluefoxicy> hrm
[04:38] <bluefoxicy> my WXGA lcd looks like it's doing shit in 16 bit color
[04:38] <icebalm> daniels: even if they are horribly out of date in hoary ;D
[04:38] <bluefoxicy> how can i tell what color mode X is in
[04:38] <whiskers> now how did they rip all that nvidia stuff
[04:38] <blizzo> flodine: not the official one from sun ... there is jikes etc
[04:38] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: xdpyinfo
[04:38] <Secks> Thank you.
[04:38] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: or the X Window System log file
[04:38] <flodine> whats the name
[04:38] <flodine> java what
[04:38] <flodine> to many
[04:38] <daniels> icebalm: yeah, well I had an at job scheduled for half an hour after breezy opened to upload 8.12.10 for the ravenous hordes
[04:38] <daniels> icebalm: unfortunately breezy hasn't opened yet
[04:39] <sighnal> daniels: "DRI initalization failed!"
[04:39] <AcidWolf> This usually means that another package management application (like apt-get or aptitude) already running. Please close that application first. <------------- ok i still got nothing on this prblem
[04:39] <icebalm> daniels: I know, I'm the ravenous horde that's been emailing you
[04:39] <srbaker> how do i enable DRI with my MX 440?
[04:39] <caleb_> where can I set the GDM face image?
[04:39] <louis__> i am trying to mount an ext3 partition that I have from another linux install into my ubuntu installation - this is the line i have in /etc/fstab
[04:39] <louis__> /dev/hda2       /media/share    ext3    rw,user,auto,gid=100    0 2
[04:39] <crimsun> srbaker: you don't. Nvidia's binary-only drivers don't use dri.
[04:39] <louis__> but it is not working
[04:39] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  24 planes
[04:39] <daniels> icebalm: oh, right
[04:39] <blizzo> flodine: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[04:39] <louis__> i get permission denied
[04:39] <bluefoxicy> gah wtf
[04:40] <crimsun> srbaker: followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[04:40] <sighnal> daniels: i dont know if there is any option i must set to tell the system i use pci-express
[04:40] <srbaker> excellent, thanks
[04:40] <srbaker> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:40] <icebalm> daniels: lol, thanks for all the work you and the rest do on ubuntu :)
[04:40] <chiddy> caleb_, just make a picture and put it in your home folder with the name .face
[04:40] <thoreauputic> louis_, are you in group 100 ? (whatever that may be...)
[04:40] <daniels> icebalm: no worries
[04:40] <bluefoxicy> none            /tmp            tmpfs   mode=01777,size=2G,nr_inodes=200k       0 0
[04:40] <louis__> yeah it is the group 'users'
[04:40] <AcidWolf> ok i cant use apt at all
[04:41] <universal> someone knows how to setup so i can record my own music?
[04:41] <louis__> actually that gid option doesn't work
[04:41] <AcidWolf> this is a major problem
[04:41] <icebalm> AcidWolf: why not?
[04:41] <universal> what program should i use and what to configurate?
[04:41] <louis__> thoreauputic take off that gid option
[04:41] <fr500> if i have all the daily updates, is it the same as having the release version?
[04:41] <AcidWolf> icebalm cause for some reason it wont let me
[04:41] <thoreauputic> louis_, I was about to suggest that...
[04:41] <icebalm> AcidWolf: why not? (error message please?)
[04:42] <sighnal> daniels: i think thats a problem with the motherboard.
[04:42] <louis__> thoreauputic, without it i get the permission errors
[04:42] <AcidWolf> Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:42] <icebalm> AcidWolf: are you using sudo first?
[04:42] <louis__> thoreauputic, with it - it doesn't mount :)
[04:42] <membreya> ok, previously /dev/sda1 was where my grub was installed and it was set active, I've just deleted /dev/sda1 and made /dev/sda3 what do I need to do to install grub on it??
[04:42] <AcidWolf> icebalm no i dont have to cause im logged as root
[04:42] <thoreauputic> louis_ try your own gid (probably 1000)  ?
[04:42] <Bongle> EvilIdler, I guess I was using a bad disk ! sigh
[04:42] <Johanes> Hi, Ubuntu uses APT (.deb packages)
[04:42] <icebalm> AcidWolf: is anything else using apt?
[04:42] <Johanes> ??
[04:42] <chiddy> what the console commmand to burn an iso???
[04:42] <AcidWolf> software update is running
[04:43] <AcidWolf> but i still cant open it
[04:43] <apokryphos> Johanes: yes
[04:43] <Bongle> chiddy, mkisofs or growisofs
[04:43] <AcidWolf> i cont open either of them
[04:43] <EvilIdler> Bongle: Heh, typical :)
[04:43] <icebalm> AcidWolf: if something else is using apt you can't also
[04:43] <predator> hallo
[04:43] <olorin> chiddy: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom file.iso
[04:43] <Johanes> Thanks :-D
[04:43] <louis__> thoreauputic, the gid=xxx option is not valid for ext3 filesystems
[04:43] <chiddy> thanks
[04:43] <AcidWolf> this is the hoary preview but i also have the Hoary release disk :) and i want to use the disk to upgrade it
[04:43] <predator> GibT es hier deutsche
[04:43] <louis__> i made a mistake pasting that in b4
[04:43] <thoreauputic> louis_, OK, i didn't know that...
[04:44] <fr500> i have prerelease, how can i upgrade to release version?
[04:44] <blizzo> predator: yes
[04:44] <louis__> thoreauputic, me either until 5 mins ago :)
[04:44] <apokryphos> fr500: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:44] <universal> what to do when term says Jack server is not running, as im going to start a music-program?
[04:44] <kkathman> morning/evening whereever you are :)
[04:44] <fr500> apokryphos, thanks
[04:45] <fr500> apokryphos, with the default sources.list?
[04:45] <BinaryDigit> hello everyone :)
[04:45] <Secks> If I have downloaded a plugin that includes a makefile, how would I install it?
[04:45] <predator> wie installiere ich ein grafikkartentreiber bei ubuntu 5.4 (nvidia)
[04:45] <apokryphos> fr500: presuming you were previously running hoary, yes.
[04:45] <fr500> ok
[04:45] <fr500> thanks
[04:45] <fr500> yes hoary
[04:45] <apokryphos> np
[04:45] <kbrooks> hmmm
[04:45] <thoreauputic> louis_, i have a debian partition with this, if it helps: /dev/hda6       /mnt/debian     ext3    noauto,users,exec 0 0
[04:46] <WW> Secks: Is there a "README" or "Install" file in the same directory as the Makefile?
[04:46] <louis__> thoreauputic, mmm i will try the exec option - thanks
[04:46] <predator> how do i install the graphiks driver from nvidia on ubuntu 5.4
[04:46] <blizzo> predator: hmm apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:46] <lesshaste> can anyone point to somewhere to find out how to use spamassassin with thunderbird?
[04:46] <Secks> ww: no, a lot of .py and a makefile is it. (I don't know how to do private chat?)
[04:46] <lesshaste> I understand I need fetchmail etc. but I would love some details :)
[04:46] <AcidWolf> icebalm any idea what i might be able to do
[04:46] <sighnal> ok. my mainboard isnt supported yet
[04:46] <apokryphos> Secks: /query <nickname>
[04:46] <predator> zich mus doch eine datei haben oder blizzo
[04:46] <sighnal> no sound, no lan ;)
[04:46] <sighnal> no 3D %)
[04:47] <icebalm> AcidWolf: stop any other running apt processes
[04:47] <AcidWolf> yeah but how
[04:47] <icebalm> AcidWolf: the indiscriminate use of kill
[04:47] <ogra> predator, BinaryDriverHowto im wiki
[04:47] <louis__> thoreauputic, what are the permissions on /mnt/debian when it is mounted?
[04:47] <AcidWolf> and when i did grep eairlier it didnt show any other processes running
[04:48] <thoreauputic> louis_ hang on a sec
[04:48] <icebalm> AcidWolf: then you did it wrong
[04:48] <louis__> k
[04:48] <predator> thx ogra du meinst wiki auf der ubuntu haomepage
[04:48] <membreya> ok, previously /dev/sda1 was where my grub was installed and it was set active, I've just deleted /dev/sda1 and made /dev/sda3 what do I need to do to install grub on it??
[04:48] <ogra> predator, jop
[04:48] <predator> danke#
[04:48] <AcidWolf> icebalm i check ed it and it shows one run by root and it wasnt apt or software update
[04:48] <stew2> Hey, I just updated my ubuntu box remotely (it's about 2000 miles away). It's giving me errors now when I run aptitude, and when I try to resolve DNS names.
[04:48] <membreya> stew2: checked the resolv.conf?
[04:48] <stew2> It's setup with a fixed IP. Is there some way I can check what DNS it's using through the shell?
[04:48] <icebalm> AcidWolf: lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[04:48] <thoreauputic> louis_  drwxr-xr-x   26 root     root         4096 2005-02-10 18:59 /mnt/debian/
[04:49] <blizzo> predator: http://www.gmpf.de/index.php/NVidia-de:Basic_Installation
[04:49] <stew2> membreya resolv.conf doesn't contain any info.
[04:49] <membreya> that's your problem
[04:49] <olorin> stew2: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[04:49] <stew2> membreya: just says "don't change it!
[04:49] <predator> dankeschoen
[04:49] <membreya> bollocks
[04:49] <membreya> you need to put nameservers in there
[04:49] <stew2> thanks. I'm in ireland, the computer is in portland oregon
[04:49] <membreya> ie mine is nameserver 203.2.75.132
[04:49] <stew2> DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[04:50] <stew2> So what do I edit it with, then?
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> i'm having a shitty day.
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> using the nvidia driver gets me a square screen
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> I have widescreen :(
[04:50] <AcidWolf> icebalm heres the output COMMAND   PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE    NODE NAME
[04:50] <AcidWolf> aptitude 6273 root   12uW  REG    3,3    0 6504671 /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> 1280x800
[04:50] <membreya> stew2: nano
[04:50] <icebalm> AcidWolf: so you have aptitude running
[04:50] <membreya> ie sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[04:50] <AcidWolf> yes it would appear so
[04:50] <AcidWolf> so the PID is 6273
[04:50] <stew2> membreya is it saying the changes would be over-written? I'm running hoary ubuntu btw
[04:50] <thoreauputic> stew2, I assume they will only be overwritten if you use dhcp or something
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> and anything else gets me a 16 bit looking display background thing.
[04:51] <membreya> stew2: what thoreauputic said :)
[04:51] <stew2> Oh, I'm not using DHCP on this machine.
[04:51] <louis__> thoreauputic, and with those permissions - you can write to /mnt/debian as a regular user?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> stew2, even if they are, it's only a 2 line file
[04:51] <stew2> You know what, I wonder if aptitude didn't overwrite the resolve.conf file when it updated something???
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> hey
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> is there a package for ubuntu that's similar to gentoo-artwork?
[04:52] <membreya> ubuntu-artwork
[04:52] <membreya> or ubuntu-calender :D
[04:52] <icebalm> gofigure
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> i said similar to gentoo-artwork :P
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> which comes with about 800 backgrounds for gentoo :D
[04:52] <membreya> calendar even
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> but i'll look
[04:52] <Dreamer3> bluefoxicy: laughs
[04:52] <markuman> what other audio players are there instead of xmms and zinf
[04:52] <Fator_Dee> beep-media-player
[04:53] <Goshawk> what about arch on ubuntu?
[04:53] <deFrysk> rhythmbox
[04:53] <stew2> I have an /etc/resolveconf folder. Does that mean anything?
[04:53] <AcidWolf> i type kill 6273 and it still doesnt kill the process
[04:53] <stew2> acidwolf kill -9 6273
[04:53] <AcidWolf> ty
[04:54] <thoreauputic_> louis_ sorry ISP cut me off - yes I can write to /mnt/debian as a user
[04:54] <stew2> so I just add a 'nameserver 21.43.54.32' or whatever the ip address is on a line in resolve.conf?
[04:54] <Dreamer3> stew2: yes
[04:54] <thoreauputic_> eg cp foo.txt /mnt/debian/home/myuser
[04:55] <Dreamer3> stew2: i think i blew away that /resolveconf :)
[04:55] <Dreamer3> stew2: resolve.conf is how linux resolves names
[04:55] <Dreamer3> stew2: without the e
[04:56] <stew2> dreamer3 okay, i found an example on google.com/linux
[04:56] <delire> stew2: desktop environments like Gnome or KDE have graphical user interfaces for manipulating /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf
[04:56] <stew2> the penguin speaks.
[04:56] <dcraven> It appears /etc/resolveconf/... is where the fetchmail and postfix executables reside for some reason.. In case you are interested about that folder.
[04:56] <sighnal>  For Hoary, you will need to add the MARILLAT and MULTIVERSE repositories.
[04:56] <sighnal> hm. where?
[04:56] <whiskers> sighnal, don't add marillat if you are in the US
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> membreya:  nope, not finding anything interesting
[04:57] <sighnal> whiskers: switzerland here. ;)
[04:57] <fitheach> high everybody.
[04:57] <icebalm> hi dr nick
[04:57] <whiskers> sighnal, oh..i don't know what your laws are like
[04:57] <stew2> delire: OF COURSE! :) I'm in Dublin though, and the computer is at a non-profit in Portland, Oregon. If there's any way for me to run a remote desktop, that sounds like lots of fun! for now, I have an ssh session though..
[04:57] <membreya> bluefoxicy: ubuntu-calendar has chicks n stuff ;) in an "artistic" way
[04:57] <stew2> Putty.exe
[04:57] <tommyboy> anyone know of a webcam modeli can get that will "just work"?
[04:57] <stew2> BRB
[04:57] <delire> stew2: you've looked into X Forwarding?
[04:57] <sighnal> whiskers: where can i find the urls for that?
[04:58] <whiskers> sighnal, marillat has their own website
[04:58] <delire> tommyboy: there is a linux webcams list somewhere..
[04:58] <azeem> I can apt-get remove python2.3 after upgrading to hoary, right?
[04:58] <whiskers> sighnal, you can just go there and download the files with firefox
[04:58] <whiskers> sighnal, but it is not for people in the US
[04:58] <delire> azeem: yes, or dpkg -P python2.3
[04:58] <azeem> delire: cheers
[04:58] <delire> azeem: same thing..
[04:58] <stew2> delire nope, thanks.
[04:58] <stew2> delire i gotta fix this box first...
[04:58] <tommyboy> delire: yeah, but i dont want to have to build a custom kernel or compile external drivers. Hoping there was one that would just work no probs on hoary
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> membreya:  i'm looking more for *dig* gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/distfiles/gentoo-artwork-0.3.tar.bz2 something like that.
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> also gentoo-artwork-0.4.tar.bz2 gentoo-artwork-0.4.1.tar.bz2 in the same directory.
[04:59] <delire> stew2: tommyboy: there likely is already a camera that works. i use a logitech webcam (phillips chipset) but i needed to compile a module to use it.
[04:59] <flipy> how can i mount a windows partition with a specific charset)
[05:00] <flipy> if i try adding iocharset to fstab it doesn't work
[05:00] <delire> tommyboy: i'll find the list for you. can you, in the meantime, type 'lsmod | grep v4l' for me?
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> membreya:  I feel my search for a background will be hindered by my widescreen display.
[05:00] <Dreamer3> bluefoxicy: yep
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> perhaps I should learn to use blender.
[05:00] <delire> tommyboy: and if you get nothing, then try 'modprobe -l | grep v4l' v4l == video for linux
[05:00] <Dreamer3> bluefoxicy: but you can crop and resize
[05:01] <tommyboy> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686-smp/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l2-common.ko
[05:01] <tommyboy> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686-smp/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l1-compat.ko
[05:02] <stew2> Is there any log on the linux computer to show what the DNS server for the local network was before the resolv.conf got wiped out?
[05:02] <kbrooks> any log?
[05:02] <kbrooks> does sudo read files?
[05:02] <kbrooks> no.
[05:02] <Dreamer3> stew2: is this a DHCP box or what?
[05:02] <kbrooks> does it monitor them? no.
[05:03] <kbrooks> so no, there is no log
[05:03] <delire> tommyboy: ok that's good news. i use the logitech quickcam pro. it's a good cam. see this page for info about installing. http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/
[05:03] <Dreamer3> stew2: just set it to a good set of resolving nameservers and be done with it
[05:04] <delire> tommyboy: and this page.. http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/linux/webcam.html
[05:04] <InitMass> why is fluxbox so much slower in X.org than in Xfree86????
[05:04] <Dreamer3> InitMass: system problem?
[05:04] <tommyboy> delire: thanks, ill look into it :)
[05:04] <whiskers> uh ok
[05:04] <whiskers> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists
[05:05] <delire> tommyboy: the list of supported linux webcams is here: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/devices.shtml
[05:05] <whiskers> sighnal, but this url is not for people in the US
[05:05] <yogi> hi
[05:05] <sighnal> whiskers: i'm not from the USA ;)
[05:05] <dcraven> InitMass, run "top" to see if something is hogging resources.
[05:05] <stew2> dreamer3 k
[05:06] <InitMass> Dreamer3, i don't know why it's slow. it doesn't matter if i compile fluxbox myself or if i dload and install with apt. gnome and xfce doesnt have these problems dcraven
[05:06] <delire> tommyboy: it's likely that ubuntu ships with support for various webcams anyway. i'd say nearly any webcam mentioned in the kernel sources will be supported. where you might find a supported devices list for Ubuntu, i don't know..
[05:06] <fuoco> what mouse cursors theme does ubuntu use?
[05:06] <Guinea> Hi there!
[05:07] <delire> hi Guinea
[05:07] <whiskers> sighnal, if you go to that url..then proceed for the file you want...it is called a binary of libcss or something like that
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> man
[05:07] <delire> libdvdcss?
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> I went from 1400x1050
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> to 1280x800 widescreen
[05:07] <yogi> to have KDE, should i donwload kubuntu.desktop or normal KDE?
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> is it just me or did I downstep?
[05:07] <sighnal> whiskers: yes. but i think i cant use linux on my workstation. no support for videodriver, sound, lan.. ;)
[05:07] <delire> yogi: kubuntu-desktop i would say.
[05:07] <Guinea> I manually installed gDesklets and now I wonder how I can deinstall now... Can anybody help me?
[05:07] <dcraven> InitMass, so then top shows nothing?
[05:08] <delire> sighnal: i'd be surprised is that's true
[05:08] <dcraven> Guinea, apt-get remove gdesklets
[05:08] <yogi> so you say thatn normal KDE won't work?
[05:08] <whiskers> sighnal, hmmm....ok you must have strange hardware
[05:08] <olorin> Guinea: make uninstall in source file direcotry
[05:08] <icebalm> sighnal: what video/sound/nic do you have?
[05:08] <InitMass> dcraven, i'm can't change wm at the moment but i'll try to do it a bit later
[05:08] <delire> Guinea: type 'whereis gdesklets'
[05:08] <dcraven> InitMass, fluxbox has no terminal?
[05:09] <InitMass> dcraven, yes it does but i'm in the middle of something and can't log out from gnome right now
[05:09] <sighnal> icebalm: ati x600 pci-e, Asus P5GDC Deluxe and onboard sound/lan
[05:09] <delire> Guinea: find gdesklets files in the outputted paths and simply 'rm -fr folder' .. but be careful you don't delete anything you need..
[05:09] <theine> I don't think it's fluxbox itself that features a terminal...
[05:10] <dcraven> InitMass, ok. Nevermind. I thought you were having speed issues right now in flux.
[05:10] <icebalm> sighnal: whats the sound/nic chipsets?
[05:10] <tbird> fluxbox uses any terminal you have installed
[05:10] <tbird> xterm aterm rxvt etc..
[05:10] <shining> did anyone buy laptop between 1000 and 1500 euros which is well supported in linux?
[05:10] <icebalm> sighnal: the ati linux drivers work fine with the x600 btw
[05:10] <InitMass> dcraven, the login took forever when i logged into fluxbox before
[05:11] <sighnal> icebalm: with pci-express?
[05:11] <icebalm> sighnal: yes
[05:11] <InitMass> dcraven, i tried it several times
[05:11] <jesper> shining: I have a IBM X22 works quite well.
[05:11] <apokryphos> yogi: normal kde works fine.
[05:11] <InitMass> dcraven, same issue every time
[05:11] <sighnal> icebalm: howto?
[05:11] <icebalm> sighnal: just install them
[05:11] <yogi> ok, THANKS
[05:11] <shining> jesper: only quite? :)
[05:11] <Guinea> Mh... I'll try to, thanks
[05:11] <yogi> is it possible to uninstall GNOME here?
[05:11] <jesper> shining: .. Ok, Excellent.
[05:12] <sighnal> icebalm: i installed them, added to config/modules list, nothing works. ;)
[05:12] <barney> hello again - anyone have an idea about why all the print jobs are dissapearing immediatly?
[05:12] <dureyes> anyone here has there wireless card on notebook working with latest release?
[05:12] <jesper> I have absolutely nothing that doesn't work.. (perhaps the untested winmodem)
[05:12] <apokryphos> yogi: yes. You can use debfoster in conjunction with the ubuntu-desktop package
[05:12] <delire> Guinea: this is one of the problems of manually installing/compiling software on any system, the package manger has no idea where it is. of course you can always './configure --prefix=$HOME' and it will all be installed into a folder in your home directory for easy deletion.
[05:12] <stew2> DAMNit now it won't let me shutdown. 'shutdown -r -t now'
[05:12] <icebalm> sighnal: the drivers in hoary or from ati.com directly?
[05:12] <nikola> where to download kernel-source 4 2.6.10.. for ubunto distro <?
[05:13] <stew2> it just goes to help, like I typed in something wrong.
[05:13] <shining> jesper: hmm its a bit old :)
[05:13] <sighnal> icebalm: hoary
[05:13] <yogi> thanks and bye
[05:13] <sighnal> Integrated Controllers
[05:13] <sighnal> Audio, based on the HDA codec C-Media CMI9880 supporting 7.1 surround sound audio with front line-in/out and S/PDIF jacks
[05:13] <jesper> shining: I can get a X31 at same price today.
[05:13] <sighnal> LAN, based on the Marvell 88E8053-NNC chip supporting 10/100/1000 Mbit/sec Base-T (PCIE Gigabit Ethernet)
[05:13] <icebalm> sighnal: those drivers are 2 revisions behind, download them directly from ati
[05:13] <delire> sighnal: the proprietary (eg fglrx) ati drivers are quite easy to install if you follow the instructions ati.com ship properly.
[05:13] <membreya> stew2: how'd you go with your DNS?
[05:14] <unknown__> hi, is it possible to use apt-get soureces, lists from debian(and if how then) ?
[05:14] <nullGambit> how do i get tpb working? There is no onscreen-display
[05:14] <nubbe> how do I burn the hoary-image? as a working install-cd?
[05:14] <stew2> membreya well, I'm trying to restart the computer, in order to reset the network, and the shutdown command isn't working from the shell.
[05:14] <shining> jesper: a x31 is at 2000 euros
[05:14] <sighnal> icebalm: grr. :)
[05:14] <dem_> anyone have any problems with fonts after updating to hoary
[05:14] <shining> jesper: I'm looking for something less than 1500 :p
[05:14] <jesper> shining:  Kr. 9.124,- DKR
[05:14] <dem_> cause all my fonts bellow size 11 look like shit
[05:14] <LinuxJones> stew2, you don't need to re-boot to do that
[05:15] <thoreauputic> unknown__: possible, dangerous, unsupported, deprecated... blah blah
[05:15] <membreya> you know, I never heard of the word deprecated before linux ;)
[05:15] <olorin> stew2: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:15] <thoreauputic> unknown__: probably will break your system
[05:15] <delire> sighnal: largely as follows: convert the *.rpm to a *.deb using 'alien', install with 'dpkg -i fglrx...deb' . exit X. cd into /lib/fglrx/build_mod, run 'sh make.sh' then 'cd ../' and 'sh make-install.sh' then fun 'fglrxconfig
[05:15] <jesper> shining: 9124/7.44
[05:15] <jesper> 1226.34408602150537634408
[05:15] <whiskers> membreya, ha...they deprecate all kinds of stuff constantly
[05:15] <membreya> lol
[05:15] <thoreauputic> membreya: you clearly weren't an English major ;)
[05:15] <icebalm> sighnal: that sound chipset is also supported by ALSA as of 2.6.12-rc2
[05:16] <Casco_Osc> hello
[05:16] <Casco_Osc> can anyone help me?
[05:16] <nullGambit> does fglrx work with suspend to disk?
[05:16] <unknown__> humm,  how should i install then other progs?:/
[05:16] <membreya> thoreauputic: no, nor am I anal retentive :P
[05:16] <delire> nullGambit: not as far as i'm aware
[05:16] <delire> Casco_Osc: just ask
[05:16] <Casco_Osc> thank you :) .i've installed Hoary, and looks like i can't execute sudo
[05:16] <delire> nullGambit: then again it doesn't on some windows machines either
[05:16] <nullGambit> i get shadows with ati driver on my t42
[05:16] <sighnal> icebalm: ok.
[05:16] <thoreauputic> membreya: I think I'm probably orally fixated, actually :)
[05:16] <Casco_Osc> because of a bad configuration of /etc/hosts
[05:16] <BinaryDigit> can you install kde in ubuntu?
[05:17] <Guinea> Hm, seems to have worked. Thanks!
[05:17] <Guinea> Goodbye!
[05:17] <Guinea> I love you!
[05:17] <delire> Casco_Osc: ahah..
[05:17] <stew2> why would the shutdown command give me help and not work anymore?
[05:17] <theine> BinaryDigit: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:17] <membreya> thoreauputic: I SOOOOOO don't want to know ;)
[05:17] <stew2> Ahhh!
[05:17] <nullGambit> does anyone else here have a thinkpad?  How do i get tpb working with onscreen display(OSD)?
[05:17] <olorin> BinaryDigit: Kubuntu
[05:17] <BinaryDigit> thanks theine!
[05:17] <BinaryDigit> ah ok
[05:17] <fuoco> what mouse cursors theme does ubuntu use?
[05:17] <sighnal> icebalm: i test that. ;)
[05:17] <Casco_Osc> how can i get a a root password, then?
[05:17] <delire> Casco_Osc: can you paste /etc/hosts into #flood?
[05:17] <theine> BinaryDigit: you're menus might be a bit overloaded afterwards :)
[05:17] <icebalm> sighnal: the NIC should also work with the sk98lin driver
[05:17] <Casco_Osc> because now i can't configure any config file
[05:17] <jesper> Casco_Osc: root shell: sudo -s
[05:17] <delire> Casco_Osc: sudo password root
[05:17] <theine> BinaryDigit: your menus...
[05:17] <delire> jesper: or that ;)
[05:18] <Casco_Osc> no sorry
[05:18] <thoreauputic> membreya: I just thought I'd share that with you.. in the spirit of Ubuntu and all that ;)
[05:18] <delire> sorry 'sudo passwd root'
[05:18] <Secks> Anyone know why my sound isn't working in Flash Player?
[05:18] <MacIver> Secks: it's using oss
[05:18] <Casco_Osc> now i'0m not under linux, i can't iinstall internet package (sagem modem)
[05:18] <delire> Secks: probably the gnome sound manager. usually the cause of sound problems on that DE
[05:18] <MacIver> try starting your browser with 'aoss browsername'
[05:18] <membreya> thoreauputic: actually, I must admit, I'm orally fixated for thin, white, cylindrical objects :P
[05:18] <delire> Secks: 'esd' it's called
[05:19] <Casco_Osc> is there any "default" password for root?
[05:19] <stew2> membreya well, yes,the networking is working. woo hoo
[05:19] <olorin> Casco_Osc: no
[05:19] <nullGambit> secks: ln -s libesd.so.0 libesd.so.1
[05:19] <delire> Secks: don't msg me... do any other programs have problems with sound?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> membreya: this is a family channel....
[05:19] <Casco_Osc> arghh!!
[05:19] <stew2> I still don't understand why the shutdown command now stopped working.
[05:19] <olorin> Casco_Osc: sudo root passwd
[05:19] <jdub> Casco_Osc: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[05:19] <membreya> thoreauputic: I was referring to cigarettes, get your head out of the gutter :P
[05:19] <membreya> stew2: see :P
[05:19] <jdub> olorin: please don't recommend that
[05:19] <Casco_Osc> if i could execute sudo...
[05:19] <Casco_Osc> :D
[05:19] <stew2> thore I think he's talking about fags/smokes.
[05:19] <thoreauputic> membreya: hahah
[05:20] <jdub> Casco_Osc: use sudo as described in that page above -> you don't need to enable your root account :)
[05:20] <olorin> jdub: why not ?
[05:20] <delire> olorin: ? sudo passwd root
[05:20] <Casco_Osc> i know
[05:20] <selinium> thoreauputic: I managed to get rosegarden to work! apart from the sound out :( But i can tell you how I got that far if you like :)
[05:20] <Casco_Osc> but my problem is that i can't excute sudo
[05:20] <jdub> olorin: because it's better to leave root disabled
[05:20] <nullGambit> Secks: ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[05:20] <markuman> i've problems to install nforce driver
[05:20] <Casco_Osc> maybe due toa bad configuration of /etc/hosts
[05:20] <delire> Casco_Osc: can you paste /etc/hosts into #flood for me?
[05:20] <olorin> delire: yes, mistake :)
[05:20] <delire> olorin: easily done ;)
[05:20] <thoreauputic> stew2: I knew that - membreya and I have an ongoing joking thing... :)
[05:20] <Casco_Osc> i need to restart, then
[05:20] <markuman> my kernel is 2.6.10-5 amd64
[05:20] <theine> olorin: you can easily get a root terminal by typing 'sudo -s' instead of 'su -' without enabling the root account
[05:20] <Casco_Osc> oh no
[05:20] <Casco_Osc> i remember it
[05:20] <markuman> and i don't find kernel-headers /tree/ or source
[05:20] <stew2> How do I flush the list of items I've picked in aptitude?
[05:21] <AcidWolf> ok i killed the previous process and did an upgrade using the hoary release cd now when i rebooted i still cant use apt :( cause somethng is hogging the process again
[05:21] <markuman> and he want it
[05:21] <Se7h> can anyone gimme a hand?
[05:21] <whiskers> nubbe, i burned it with gnomebaker and md5 said it burned perfectly
[05:21] <Casco_Osc> as you can see, is a normal default configuration
[05:21] <membreya> stew2: why doesn't shutdown work ? does it just not respond or does it error ?
[05:21] <joebaez> anyone know grub boot manager any well?
[05:21] <olorin> theine: i know that ...
[05:21] <whiskers> nubbe, i might try nautilus dvd burner and check the md5 on that if it is possible
[05:21] <delire> AcidWolf: apt-get clean
[05:21] <joebaez> im trying to get my windows OSto load by default (lame i know, but i need to get this to work)
[05:21] <AcidWolf> ok
[05:21] <stew2> membreya it gives me help. I tried "shutdown -r -t 100" and it gives me the help screen, as if my syntax was wrong.
[05:22] <membreya> stew2: then it is :P
[05:22] <jhalford> hi
[05:22] <AcidWolf> Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:22] <theine> olorin: so why not recommend using 'sudo -s' then?
[05:22] <stew2> membreya Yeah, but what I gave you worked 40 minutes ago to reboot it the first time.
[05:22] <fnk007> hello all
[05:22] <Casco_Osc> i'll restart to linux one moment, bye
[05:22] <delire> joebaez: see /boot/grub/menu.lst and look for the timeout
[05:22] <AcidWolf> ok i got it
[05:22] <stew2> membreya it's pretty standard stuff though, eh?
[05:22] <AcidWolf> :)
[05:22] <AcidWolf> hehehe found an easier way to do it
[05:22] <membreya> stew2: very :| and the options ARE right :|
[05:22] <thomas001> is there a german ubuntu channel?
[05:22] <azeem> #ubuntu-de
[05:23] <stew2> membreya Dunno.
[05:23] <sadneophite> sprechen sie deutsch?
[05:23] <sadneophite> hehe
[05:23] <stew2> membreya I gave up on it.
[05:23] <membreya> stew2: what about shutdown -t now -r
[05:23] <limaunion> any idea why firefox doesn't play video streaming? I have installed mplayer-plugin and win32codecs but it just doesn't work, it'll start buffering but won't play the file, I've also followed this steps but didn't work: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21015&highlight=mplayerplug-in
[05:23] <delire> joebaez: cool
[05:23] <sadneophite> shutdown now -r
[05:23] <fnk007> shutdown is close windows
[05:23] <sighnal> whats the normal way to install new kernel..
[05:23] <sighnal> with packages?
[05:23] <monkey89> is there a hoary DVD anywhere?
[05:23] <AcidWolf> now if i want to see what is set to run at boot do i have to do that with configuration editor cause one of the update apps is defineatley set to startup
[05:23] <fnk007> understood
[05:23] <stew2> membreya Nope. I'll forget about it for now. I'll email them and have them pull the plug on it.
[05:24] <olorin> theine: beacause the question was about the root PASSWORD ...
[05:24] <fnk007> hei
[05:24] <AcidWolf> i want to disable it so that when i want to update i do it all myself :)
[05:24] <membreya> lol stew2 that's not fixing the problem :P
[05:24] <delire> limaunion: i've had problems with this in the past. have you looked at the vlc plugin?
[05:24] <fnk007> ok
[05:24] <membreya> stew2: you're not an MSCE are you ? :P
[05:24] <limaunion> delire
[05:24] <membreya> MCSE even
[05:24] <stew2> membreya hell no.
[05:24] <olorin> theine: it's just a question of choice. if i want a root account like in any other major distro, why not ...
[05:24] <limaunion> delire: is there a vlc plugin for firefox ?
[05:24] <delire> joebaez: don't msg me.. in the same file you'll see the option to set the default boot based on the partitions Label
[05:25] <fnk007> hello all
[05:25] <fnk007> i need know....
[05:25] <stew2> The difference is when linux doesn't work, I can't blame microsoft.
[05:25] <nubbe> whiskers, thanks, I just right-clicked and it burnt fine, cd/dvd-creator in nautilus just treated it as a reg. file tho
[05:25] <nekohayo> stew2, yes you can
[05:25] <delire> limaunion: 'apt-cache search mozilla vlc'  --> mozilla-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for Mozilla based on VLC
[05:25] <nekohayo> XD
[05:25] <theine> olorin: well, ok, i guess it's debatable whether it's better to advice against enabling the root password for his own good or to just tell him how he can do it...
[05:25] <fnk007> microsoft not good
[05:25] <deFrysk> Stereotype, yes you can (patents)
[05:26] <membreya> stew2: difference is, when linux breaks you don't pay $$$ to get it fixed :P you just whine until someone patches it
[05:26] <sadneophite> anyone try to upgrade to hoary?  I am trying to decide to upgrade or to install newish
[05:26] <selinium> has anyone here got rosegarden working?
[05:26] <delire> membreya: or you fix it yourself.
[05:26] <stew2> membreya have you had the shutdown command fail before?
[05:26] <delire> selinium: yes
[05:26] <deFrysk> stew2, I mean :s
[05:26] <membreya> stew2: never use it
[05:26] <delire> selinium: though i haven't tried on my Ubuntu machine.
[05:26] <delire> selinium: <-- debian testing
[05:26] <Fator_Dee> delire: but you have to know what's wrong to fix it :-\
[05:26] <membreya> deFrysk: that emoticon is tm msn messenger, please remove your usage immediately
[05:26] <delire> selinium: what seems to be the problem?
[05:27] <dcraven> selinium, never did work eh?
[05:27] <delire> Fator_Dee: yep, it's called Responsive Computing ;)
[05:27] <theine> olorin: not that I want to get into this debate... :)
[05:27] <stew2> Is there a way to flush aptitude? It has checked off a bunch of apps I don't want to install. I selected them earlier, but there's not that much free disk space on the machine.
[05:27] <membreya> stew2: sudo apt-get clean
[05:27] <limaunion> delire: tks, will try now
[05:27] <delire> stew2: apt-get clean if you want to clear the package cache
[05:27] <olorin> theine: lol
[05:27] <deFrysk> membreya, I know , I live dangerously
[05:27] <Fator_Dee> delire: wish my computer was responsive :-/
[05:27] <AcidWolf> whats the difference between Mplayer -g4 and Mplayer-powerpc
[05:27] <flipy> is there any way to unistall a package without unistalling ubuntu*?
[05:27] <selinium> delire: woo hoo!,  oh... I dont konw if you will be able to help but i have got it running the connections seem to be there but i get no sound out :(
[05:27] <delire> Fator_Dee: hehe
[05:27] <LinuxJones> stew2, just shut down synaptic and restart it
[05:27] <AcidWolf> i have an Apple G4 powerbook and im not sure which one to get
[05:27] <joebaez> gtg bbl!
[05:27] <joebaez> exit
[05:28] <pdoms> I have an error when launching gnomebaker, http://users.pandora.be/doms/gnomebaker.png .. Anyone an idea how this can be fixed?
[05:28] <selinium> dcraven: Still having the enjoyment of getting it to work! :)
[05:28] <delire> selinium: are you running the ALSA or OSS drivers?
[05:28] <AcidWolf> cause they both give the same description
[05:28] <selinium> delire: alsa
[05:28] <dcraven> selinium, hahah.. Glad to hear it :)
[05:28] <dcraven> selinium, don't give up!
[05:28] <stew2> apt-get clean didn't work. It still has all these packages checked off. I run it and it automatically says it has 139 MB of packages to download.
[05:28] <delire> selinium: ok good. have you checked the system mixer settings with alsamixer?
[05:28] <stew2> "Will use 468MB of disk space"
[05:28] <stew2> I don't want it to use any disk space.
[05:29] <olorin> theine: ok, maybe it was a mistake to advice that ... the question was, is there any default password ... my answer ' no but if you want a root password make this '
[05:29] <stew2> I'm running aptitude.
[05:29] <delire> selinium: also ensure that rosegarden is using ALSA and not OSS
[05:29] <dcraven> stew2, try quiting aptitude? I know synaptic loses that stuff upon quitting, so maybe.
[05:29] <fnk007> t
[05:29] <fnk007> ahh
[05:29] <LinuxJones> pdon, sudo gnome baker
[05:29] <LinuxJones> pdon, sudo gnomebaker worry
[05:29] <deFrysk> graveman
[05:29] <fnk007> please, close all windows
[05:29] <sadneophite> stew2> zeah, though aptitude is abitch in that regard...
[05:29] <LinuxJones> god
[05:30] <theine> olorin: as far as I'm concerned, you're forgiven... ;)
[05:30] <pdoms> LinuxJones, :) ok i'll try
[05:30] <membreya> pdoms: what's in your terminal ?
[05:30] <LinuxJones> pdon, ;)
[05:30] <stew2> dcraven: No. Apparently aptitude not only doesn't lose it, there's no way to get it to forget. It's like some stupid kid who left gum on the sidewalk
[05:30] <icebalm> sighnal: oh wait, sk98lin wont work, you need this driver for the nic: http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/htm/sk9e21_lin.htm
[05:30] <pdoms> LinuxJones, thanks that fixes it
[05:30] <sadneophite> ZES!
[05:30] <fnk007> i dont know
[05:30] <sadneophite> YES!
[05:30] <pdoms> membreya, it works with sudo now.. i think it's bash
[05:30] <fnk007> no
[05:30] <sadneophite> no..
[05:30] <dcraven> stew2, haha.. There must be a way.. I've never used aptitude.
[05:30] <delire> selinium: if you're using Gnome 'esd' may be getting in the way.. try turning off esd in the gnome sound settings panel.
[05:30] <olorin> theine: i don't want to impose my choice to others
[05:30] <whiskers> i think that is what i will do today..i will test the nautilus dvd burner on a 600meg hoary cd
[05:30] <stew2> dcraven: Nope. I got to manually uncheck everything.
[05:31] <fnk007> i used ubuntu
[05:31] <selinium> delire: I am new to linux, but i have checked the volume settings on sound blaster alsa, and all seems to be fine. I have made connections with qjackctl and they seem to be ok.
[05:31] <sighnal> icebalm: first i will build a new kernel for the sound..
[05:31] <sighnal> icebalm: ;)
[05:31] <olorin> theine: but i don't consider having a root account is a security hole
[05:31] <fnk007> and i continue used ubuntu
[05:31] <fnk007> ubuntu its very well
[05:32] <fnk007> teste
[05:32] <fnk007> i
[05:32] <delire> selinium: right ok.. good work. can you be sure that rosegarden is using ALSA and not OSS? it may be a good idea to check the sound card that rosegarden is using..
[05:32] <theine> olorin: actually I don't know to much about potential security issues when enabling the root account to comment on that, but my guess is that the Ubuntu developers had good reasons to disable it
[05:32] <fnk007> quit
[05:32] <delire> selinium: for instance /dev/snd vs /dev/dsp
[05:32] <fnk007> bye
[05:32] <Pyre>  Hasta luego, amigo.
[05:32] <kkamrani> hi
[05:33] <selinium> delire: i only have the one sound card,
[05:33] <AcidWolf> lol apt just crashed
[05:33] <AcidWolf> or synaptic did :p
[05:34] <delire> selinium: yse, but that same sound card can be respresented with two locations on the file system..
[05:34] <delire> selinium: from the Rosegarden menu: Settings -> Configure Rosegarden -> Sequencer settings -> Show detailed status
[05:34] <olorin> theine: it's just a user friendly point of view of ubuntu. Like in M$ OS, you just have to know one passwd
[05:34] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: what unspeakable thing did you do to the poor thing that made it crash?
[05:34] <selinium> delire: ok cheers!
[05:34] <pdoms> Is there no option of fading tracks in gnomebaker? ^o)
[05:34] <pdoms> or mixing
[05:34] <kkamrani> hoary is great! it automatically found my Netgear WG511T and it works! No other distro, that I've used, does that. I always have to install madwifi!
[05:35] <Jefis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=122813 <-- read this
[05:35] <AcidWolf> thoreauputic nothing i installed mplayer-g4 and mplayer-fonts however mplayer fonts didnt install correctly and then it crashed
[05:35] <LinuxJones> kkamrani, yeah it my fav :)
[05:35] <dcraven> Cool.. New Beagle.
[05:35] <olorin> theine: like the fact that synaptic don't ask a passwd to add packages ...
[05:35] <thoreauputic> pdoms: I think you need something like audacity - gnomebaker is a CD burner, not a sound editor
[05:35] <sadneophite> stew2 still there?
[05:35] <stew2> Is there an alternate way of getting a machine to reboot with the shell if 'shutdown' is broke?
[05:35] <kkamrani> LinuxJones, seriously! i never used it before, but now i dont think i will ever leave!
[05:35] <Jefis> #ubuntu-dev
[05:35] <Jefis> fak
[05:36] <sadneophite> ste2 was the aptitude probelm solved
[05:36] <pdoms> thoreauputic, in nero burning rom you can let two tracks go out and in on the same time, end of nr 1 and beginning of nr 2
[05:36] <Jefis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=122813 <-- help me plyz! :)
[05:36] <delire> selinium: anything of interest there?
[05:36] <GhostFreeman> Anyone here know how to install audioscrobbler for Beep-media-player
[05:36] <Casco_Osc> hello again
[05:36] <LinuxJones> kkamrani, the distro is only 6 months old I can't wait to see what it's going to be like a year from now :)
[05:36] <stew2> sadneophite no. it sucks
[05:36] <thoreauputic> pdoms: *shrug* it isn't a CD burner function really - in *nix apps usually do what they are designed for
[05:36] <sadneophite> okaz okaz
[05:37] <Casco_Osc> that's the problem when i do sudo: "Password:postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory"
[05:37] <sadneophite> goddamn german keyboard
[05:37] <selinium> delire: it all looks like it has connected up? is there a pastebin i can put it so you can have a look?
[05:37] <Casco_Osc> where is that public/pickup located?
[05:37] <Arc-> hmm, does ubuntu support pci-e video cards? I just tried Ubuntu LiveCD and it wouldn't start X Window system at all, just said "device not found". I was under the impression that ubuntu had great hardware support.
[05:37] <sadneophite> stew2: okay try pressing f in the aptitude menu... if you haven't already tried
[05:37] <_TeRmInEt_> hi
[05:37] <delire> selinium: also see this email list for extra clues. undoubtedly there is someone here with the same Rosegarded issue as you: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php
[05:37] <pdoms> thoreauputic, so i should mix all tracks first ^o) and than split them :-//
[05:37] <pdoms> that suX
[05:37] <sadneophite> stew2: that is suppose to 'forget' changes
[05:37] <delire> selinium: sure though i've forgotten the pastebin url
[05:38] <selinium> delire: me too!
[05:38] <sadneophite> stew2 and then try the whatever install command...
[05:38] <_TeRmInEt_> how can I check what version of any kernel module is installed?
[05:39] <sadneophite> stew2 to be honrest...I thought debian was always cool, but I eventually got another distro because of this problem...
[05:39] <stew2> sadneophite No. I can't get aptitude to work, shutdown is broke. It sucks as bad as any
[05:39] <delire> selinium: the third post in this thread looks possibly relevant to you. it may be a 'General Midi' setup issue ..http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6982789&forum_id=11769
[05:40] <sadneophite> wow
[05:40] <selinium> delire: cheers
[05:40] <sadneophite> stew2 type dmesg
[05:40] <delire> stew2: does 'apt-get update' work?
[05:40] <delire> selinium: i don't have Rosegarden in front of me, i'm on my laptop currently.
[05:40] <Jefis> sadneophite, what distro are you using?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> pdoms: gnomebaker is quite a "young" app - maybe k3b will do what you want:  I don't know
[05:41] <sadneophite> jefis> on this screen it is the 5.04 hoary
[05:41] <selinium> delire: np I will try and catch you later when your on the other machine! :)
[05:41] <sadneophite> jefis and now it is upgrading to the hoary final hopefully
[05:41] <Jefis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=122813 <-- help me plyz! :)
[05:41] <whiskers> pdoms, yes k3b is more advanced than gnomebaker
[05:41] <sadneophite> jefis the synergy howto is totally awesome in the docs section on the website
[05:41] <whiskers> pdoms, but it will do the basics
[05:42] <delire> selinium: yep sure, catch me tuesday onward (when back at work)
[05:42] <Obsidians> Is there anything that can be done about the KDE menu disrupting the Gnome menu?
[05:43] <sadneophite> jefis, sorry using a hardware router
[05:43] <whiskers> pdoms, in fact most of the kde stuff is more advanced but they do not have scrolling menus like gnome so some people like one and some people like the other
[05:43] <markuman_> i have amd64 kernel. what is ia64? can i use this packages too?
[05:43] <selinium> delire: you have rosegarden at work! Wow!
[05:43] <delire> selinium: hehe
[05:43] <Casco_Osc> solved the sudo problem
[05:43] <membreya> ia64 is the itanium chip markuman_
[05:43] <delire> Casco_Osc: ah cool. what was up?
[05:43] <membreya> so no
[05:43] <sadneophite> jefis could it be the MTU?
[05:43] <selinium> delire: cheers for the pointers!
[05:43] <Jefis> no
[05:43] <delire> selinium: np
[05:44] <membreya> thats what i was thinking sadneophite but i have nfi how to change mtu
[05:44] <Jefis> problem with sync, and unitiliazing
[05:44] <sadneophite> jefis, but the ppings are okay
[05:44] <Jefis> sadneophite, now i am not downloading anything ;)
[05:44] <Casco_Osc> delire ,i entered in recovery mode, changed the password of the root, and then i edit the /etc/hosts, changing the 12.0.0.1 localhost to 127.0.0.1 paletronics (my domain name)
[05:44] <Casco_Osc> thank you
[05:44] <thoreauputic> membreya: I think you can do ifconfig <interface> <mtu>
[05:44] <stew2> I want to "apt-get --purge remove aptitude" to get rid of this 500 meg list of programs aptitude can't seem to drop.
[05:44] <sadneophite> yeah... yeah.... .... membreya... that is why I use a non-free distro on my desktop.......
[05:45] <thoreauputic> membreya: but that's from memory
[05:45] <delire> Casco_Osc: good work..
[05:45] <stew2> But it says "ubuntu-base" will be removed too.
[05:45] <Casco_Osc> thanks :)
[05:45] <whiskers> i wasted a cd on that nautilus dvd burner
[05:45] <stew2> How can I JUST get APTITUDE GONE?
[05:45] <delire> Jefis: have you tried to enable sync mode?
[05:45] <sadneophite> membreya I am totally a gui person
[05:45] <whiskers> it only made one iso file...not all the files
[05:45] <whiskers> that was a wasted cd
[05:45] <olorin> stew2: dpkg -r aptitude ? can someone confirm ?
[05:45] <delire> Casco_Osc: the think with Linux, is there's always a way to fix problems..
[05:46] <sadneophite> jefis, what kind of cpu do you have_
[05:46] <delire> s/think/thing
[05:46] <Jefis> delire, i am not sure how to enable
[05:46] <Jefis> but i have tried
[05:46] <Jefis> :)
[05:46] <Casco_Osc> delire, totally agree
[05:46] <Myrtti> stew2: if it takes ubuntu-base off, means nothing. Ubuntubase itself is nothing, its just a dummy package that is dependant on several packages
[05:46] <delire> Jefis: but the readme says you need to edit /etc/modules.conf
[05:46] <stew2> myrtti good
[05:46] <sadneophite> jefis is it a 486sx25?
[05:46] <Casco_Osc> i prefer to have a lot of problems in linux, that have only one in M$ windows
[05:46] <thoreauputic> possibly ifconfig <interface>  mtu <value>
[05:46] <stew2> aptitude is giving me a hernia
[05:46] <Jefis> athlon xp 1700xp +
[05:46] <Jefis> delire, how to do that?
[05:46] <Jefis> there are no /etc/modules.conf
[05:46] <jnoreiko> hi
[05:46] <sadneophite> jefis, then the cpu should be no problem...
[05:47] <Jefis> and from where i have to get these modules ? ;)
[05:47] <delire> Casco_Osc: and after some time and experience, the capacity to do this, is in itself, a luxury ;)
[05:47] <jnoreiko> is there a way to get xchat to flash notifications?
[05:47] <Casco_Osc> delire, lol
[05:47] <Jefis> delire, any idea how to fix it?
[05:47] <Jefis> darka ;))))))))
[05:47] <whiskers> i can't understand why gnomebaker knows how to make the files but graveman and nautilus do not
[05:47] <delire> Jefis: ok, that's no issue. you have followed the readme on that page?
[05:48] <Jefis> yes
[05:48] <thoreauputic> jnoreiko: sort of - it will highlight in garish colours
[05:48] <LinuxJones> stew2, what is wrong with aptitude again ?
[05:48] <UBabe> simple qn: all i needs it the Ubuntu unsupported resource website, blarney i lost it! :P
[05:48] <delire> Jefis: under the "7) IMPROVE PERFORMANCE - SYNC OPTION"
[05:48] <Jefis> done
[05:48] <UBabe> any ideas?
[05:48] <looter> hello
[05:48] <jnoreiko> yeah ... but can the whole app be made to notify when it's in background?
[05:48] <UBabe> something Ubuntu dot.org??
[05:48] <sadneophite> jefis... how long has this problem been going on... did you try unplugging and replugging the modem...
[05:48] <jnoreiko> like chatzilla or mIRC
[05:48] <pdoms> Is wine possible in imitating windows xp or so?
[05:48] <looter> just installed ubuntu
[05:48] <thoreauputic> UBabe:  www.unbuntuguide.org ?
[05:49] <sadneophite> Ubabe it is an awesome site.. .the doc people kick ass
[05:49] <UBabe> ubuntu GUIDE! thanks thoreapeudic :)
[05:49] <looter> can i have some help please?
[05:49] <stew2> Okay, that fixed aptitude.
[05:49] <UBabe> sadneophite, no doubts there :)
[05:49] <deFrysk> pdoms, reboot regurarly to imitate xp
[05:49] <olorin> looter: just ask a question
[05:49] <sadneophite> stew2 how how
[05:49] <Jefis> delire,  done that sync, uncommented, but how with modules?
[05:49] <delire> Jefis: right, and so does '"tail -25 /var/log/messages | grep pppoe' give you any output about whether sync mode is working/running?
[05:49] <Myrtti> looter: not if you don't ask for it
[05:49] <stew2> Now, shutdown still doesn't work. How do I reboot this thing remotely?
[05:49] <sighnal> hm. there are no packages for kernel 2.6.12?
[05:49] <delire> Jefis: right, and so does '"tail -25 /var/log/messages | grep pppoe' give you any output about whether sync mode is working/running?
[05:49] <Myrtti> stew2: shutdown -h?
[05:49] <looter> i want to change my screen refresh rate to 100hz but it limits at 85
[05:50] <thoreauputic> stew2: there is a "reboot" command
[05:50] <delire> Jefis: sorry for double post..
[05:50] <olorin> stew2: why do you want to rebbot the system in fact ?
[05:50] <Myrtti> looter: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:50] <deFrysk> shutdown -r now
[05:50] <pdoms> deFrysk, that's dry
[05:50] <Casco_Osc> well, bye all, and thanks again
[05:50] <merwin> I've installed epic and the lice script with sypnatic
[05:50] <looter> i have opened this file
[05:50] <delire> looter: just ask
[05:50] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: shutdown isn't working for him
[05:50] <sadneophite> stew2 what was the command to flush apt
[05:50] <olorin> looter: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:50] <delire> Jefis: don't msg me
[05:50] <merwin> but how do I start the script?
[05:50] <Jefis> ok
[05:51] <Jefis> sync doesn't want to work :)
[05:51] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, that reboot wont work either
[05:51] <mdke> does anyone know anything about ssh keys? I'm following the howto on the wiki, and at one stage it says "Add an SSH call to your crontab and you are set." Does anyone know HOW to do this? thanks in advance
[05:51] <delire> Jefis: you should have output like " pppoed[5555] : Operating in Sync mode."
[05:51] <Jefis> nop, there are not output
[05:51] <deFrysk> its sudo reboot btw
[05:51] <Jefis> root@localhost:/home/jefis # tail -25 /var/log/messages | grep pppoe
[05:51] <stew2> sadneophite "apt-get --purge remove aptitude" It flushed aptitude.
[05:51] <Jefis> root@localhost:/home/jefis #
[05:51] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: OK - works here but I guess you know...
[05:51] <olorin> mdke: what do you want to do whith ssh keys ?
[05:51] <sadneophite> stew2... damn... that is a mouthful...I will have to write that one down
[05:52] <delire> mdke: i don't use crontab, but i do use 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add' regularly ;)
[05:52] <stew2> sadneophite then "apt-get install aptitude" So it was a configuration file somewhere. I just don't wanna mess with it at this point.
[05:52] <sighnal> icebalm: u said i need kernel 2.6.12-rc2, is there any package or apt source for it?
[05:52] <mdke> olorin, i want to use them to authenticate over ssh, and also to make a key to automate backups over ssh
[05:52] <sadneophite> stew2 awesome... IRC is cool...
[05:52] <UBabe> thans now im off! Jeu retonoir!
[05:52] <jnoreiko> anyone know anything about CPAN? Why does the shell say LWP not available?
[05:52] <delire> stew2: 'dpkg -P aptitude' would have worked as well ;)
[05:52] <olorin> mdke: i use keychain
[05:52] <looter> i have opened xorg.conf
[05:52] <nubbe> whiskers, u can just right-click on an iso-file in nautilus (regular view) and "choose write to disc", like I did
[05:52] <olorin> mdke: sudo apt-get install keychain
[05:52] <looter> what do i have to edit?
[05:52] <InitMass> i can tell everyone that is having problem with slow login into fluxbox that it's because of the use of utf8 and here is a link on how to solve it http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Make_your_system_use_unicode/utf-8#fluxbox
[05:52] <Jefis> delire, any more ideas?
[05:52] <stew2> sadneophite Umm. well, if you type "man apt-get" it tells you what the commands are. A lot of times I can remember it can be done, but I can't figure out how to do it.
[05:52] <mdke> olorin, what is that?
[05:52] <UBabe> hrm, i think i just said, "I will soon unscrew all the taps in the house" in French! :P
[05:53] <merwin> why does epic start within the terminal window and not as an indepent application?
[05:53] <icebalm> sighnal: no, I think you can just get the source
[05:53] <UBabe> anyway, night all!
[05:53] <delire> Jefis: not unless you tell me whether you got the output i gave above..
[05:53] <delire> Jefis:  pppoed[5555] : Operating in Sync mode.
[05:53] <looter> i cant see refresh rate details
[05:53] <Jefis> :D
[05:53] <nubbe> whiskers, that way nautilus burns it as it should
[05:53] <delire> Jefis: or similar.
[05:53] <oedor> lo.i need someone who can tell me hot to install musepack plugin for xmms or beep media player step by step as im having heavy problems doing it =(
[05:53] <Jefis> hold on
[05:53] <olorin> mdke: you can re-use a existing ssh agent with it
[05:53] <jesper> where do I adress feedback for http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ webpage?
[05:53] <looter> i see only for screen resolution
[05:53] <Myrtti> looter: its in horizsync and vertrefresh
[05:53] <Jefis> i will post you to private
[05:53] <Jefis> :)
[05:53] <mdke> olorin, right but I still need to set up crontab properly don't i?
[05:54] <Myrtti> /me notes that more people should be aware that /action and /me are the spawn of evil
[05:54] <sadneophite> I am using a laptop that has an XGA 1024*768 resolution but gnome is only runing in 800x600 mode... the preferences setting\s highest resolution is 800x600, how does one reconfigure the graphic card for higher resolutions
[05:54] <hackeron> if I play more than 1 sound at a time, I get extreme letency, like sounds play 2-3 seconds after they should, and I also get heavy audio/video de-sync even if playing just 1 sound. Any ideas?
[05:54] <delire> Jefis: it's not in syn mode by the looks of it..
[05:54] <olorin> mdke: for me no ... i just enter my password at boot and it's done
[05:54] <Obsidians> Is there anything that can be done about the KDE menu disrupting the Gnome menu?
[05:54] <delire> sadneophite: what graphics driver and card are you using?
[05:54] <Jefis> delire, i can give you remote ssh root login, if you help me :)
[05:55] <mdke> olorin, what is done?
[05:55] <delire> Obsidians: flesh out 'disrupting'
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: /me notes that /you used the same, albeit in a differernt manner ;-)
[05:55] <sadneophite> god... old laptop... 2mb on board...
[05:55] <olorin> mdke: each time i ssh on a remote server, i dont have to enter my password
[05:55] <sadneophite> delire where is the pci in the proc tree
[05:55] <olorin> mdke: beacause i put my public key on each if them
[05:55] <Myrtti> ;-)
[05:55] <looter> no horisync or vertrefresh
[05:56] <lunitik> Obsidians: nope... its by design these days...
[05:56] <Obsidians> delire: Well, it puts entries in for all the KDE apps, but without icons, and it puts them not in the normal place for Gnome applications, so the MenuEdit utility doesn't work properly on them. At least for me, anyway.
[05:56] <oedor> lo.i need someone who can tell me hot to install musepack plugin for xmms or beep media player step by step as im having heavy problems doing it =(
[05:56] <greg_> is KDE on Ubuntu?
[05:56] <Obsidians> lunitik: That's not particularly good design......
[05:56] <mdke> olorin, does your ssh key have a passphrase?
[05:56] <delire> Jefis: no, i reckon you best check http://google.com/linux, though the info you've found on that page is very good. as i don't have that router, i can't help you properly
[05:56] <looter> any ideas?
[05:56] <sadneophite> delire where is graphic card the proc tree
[05:57] <_TeRmInEt_> people, there is any command to update kernel modules?
[05:57] <sadneophite> delire where is graphic card in the proc tree
[05:57] <lunitik> Obsidians: hah... they use the same menu spec now... was much easier to make both menu's clean when this wasn't the case  :(
[05:57] <olorin> yes, in fact, when i said password, it was passphrase
[05:57] <olorin> mdke: yes, in fact, when i said password, it was passphrase
[05:57] <delire> sadneophite: 'lspci | grep vga' and give me the output
[05:57] <delire> sadneophite: or use a gui in your desktop environment
[05:57] <mdke> olorin, so there is a daemon remembering and entering your passphrase automatically?
[05:57] <sadneophite> Neomagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD]  (rev 01)
[05:57] <delire> mdke: man??? what?
[05:58] <lunitik> delire: you mean grep AGP ...
[05:58] <Obsidians> lunitik: If they used exactly the same spec, I'd be set. But they just use almost the same spec. So KDE entries don't have any icons in Gnome, and Gnome doesn't have a proper menu editing or updating tool, so there's not much you can do about it.
[05:58] <mdke> delire, hi
[05:58] <delire> mdke: but that would go against the entire reason for using ssh_keys..!
[05:58] <olorin> mdke: the ssh-agent
[05:58] <sadneophite> delire Neomagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD]  (rev 01), it is too slow to do much with the guis
[05:58] <mdke> delire, i agree
[05:58] <delire> lunitik: "VGA Compatible.."
[05:58] <olorin> mdke: if you want, we can make it step by step
[05:58] <mdke> olorin, no i think i'd rather have separate keys
[05:58] <lunitik> delire: case counts
[05:58] <delire> sadneophite: hmm jeziz. never worked with that card before..
[05:59] <Jefis> who can help with modem and sync?
[05:59] <delire> lunitik: that's why i said VGA
[05:59] <oedor> lo.i need someone who can tell me hot to install musepack plugin for xmms or beep media player step by step as im having heavy problems doing it =(
[05:59] <olorin> mdke: ok
[05:59] <sadneophite> delire sorry....    VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD]  (rev 01)
[05:59] <whiskers> nubbe, well when i put a blank cd in ...nautilus burner came up and i dragged the iso file into the folder...then went to the menu to write the cd
[05:59] <delire> lunitik: ahah no i didn't ;)
[05:59] <mdke> so does anyone know how to call a particular ssh key for a command in crontab?
[05:59] <hackeron> ah, problem solved by killing esd and making sure my ubuntu install never ever tries to run that, err, fine program, ever again :)
[05:59] <whiskers> nubbe, but it wasted the whole cd because it only wrote one iso file
[05:59] <looter> I want to add 100hz refresh rate support for my sreen.I have opened xorg.conf but there is no horizsync or vertrefresh option.Please help
[05:59] <delire> lunitik: i see what you were getting at ;)
[05:59] <whiskers> nubbe, i want to do what gnomebaker does
[05:59] <lunitik> delire: bah... I'm just being argumentative... get back to helping the guy  :)
[05:59] <flipy> anyone know how to solve the annoying "killall esd" to get sound working (like beep-media-player or xmms)=
[06:00] <whiskers> nubbe, how do i write all the files..not just one iso file
[06:00] <sadneophite> delire... I am used to using stuff like sax2... is there a graphics card configuration....let me rephrase that: what is the debian command line program for graphic card configuration
[06:00] <delire> sadneophite: right. can you 'lsmod | grep vesa'
[06:00] <thoreauputic> whiskers: you need to right click the iso and choose to burn it - your way, as you say, produces a file not an ISO
[06:00] <delire> sadneophite: well xf86config is what i have used in the past. though with modern cards like ati they have their own configurators.
[06:01] <whiskers> thoreauputic, ok...let me try again
[06:01] <ama> anyone run a filesystem on ubuntu?
[06:01] <ama> whoops
[06:01] <ama> a file server?
[06:01] <delire> sadneophite: the xf86config is of course deprecated by the X.org system.
[06:01] <thoreauputic> whiskers: just right click it without dragging it anywhere
[06:01] <delire> ama: hhehe
[06:01] <ama> just curious how it fairs in terms of being a server, do i have to install x and gnome etc?
[06:01] <mdke> ama, an irc fileserver?
[06:01] <ama> vftpd and probably samba
[06:01] <ama> vfs
[06:01] <mdke> oh
[06:01] <ama> vsftpd
[06:02] <mdke> yeah just type "server" at beginning of intall
[06:02] <mdke> install
[06:02] <delire> sadneophite: are you running the generic 'vesa' driver?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> ama, you don't need X for a server, if that's what you mean
[06:02] <ama> right now i got gentoo installed, but i really want a binary based install
[06:02] <sadneophite> delire... awesome... it has been a while since I knew the name> didn't it used to be xconfigurator or something
[06:02] <ama> no i mean do i need to have x to use ubuntu thoreauputic
[06:02] <mdke> ama, no
[06:02] <mdke> ubuntu is linux based
[06:02] <Jefis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=122813 :)
[06:02] <looter> I want to add 100hz refresh rate support for my sreen.I have opened xorg.conf but there is no horizsync or vertrefresh option.Please help
[06:02] <delire> sadneophite: i think both existed concurrently ;)
[06:02] <ama> so i would just type server, in the installation?
[06:02] <ama> mdke?
[06:02] <ama> im aware
[06:03] <envel> hi! How to enable bytecode interpreter in freetype-2.1.7 (ubuntu)? I've compiled it with correct prefix, installed, but it doesn't work. All fonts are awfull:(
[06:03] <sadneophite> delire vesafb                  6948  1
[06:03] <sadneophite> cfbcopyarea             3968  1 vesafb
[06:03] <sadneophite> cfbimgblt               3072  1 vesafb
[06:03] <sadneophite> cfbfillrect             3584  1 vesafb
[06:03] <sadneophite> vesafb                  6948  1
[06:03] <mdke> ama, what linux system forces you to use x?
[06:03] <sadneophite> cfbcopyarea             3968  1 vesafb
[06:03] <sadneophite> cfbimgblt               3072  1 vesafb
[06:03] <sadneophite> cfbfillrect             3584  1 vesafb
[06:03] <delire> sadneophite: stop flooding chap
[06:03] <ama> none that im aware of, but i dont use ubuntu
[06:03] <mdke> ama, anyway, yes either type server at beginning or do a minimal install and set it up yourself
[06:03] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: never again, please
[06:03] <delire> sadneophite: you'll getted auto-kicked ;)
[06:03] <sadneophite> sorry irc bug
[06:03] <mdke> LOL
[06:03] <delire> sadneophite: np..
[06:03] <sadneophite> delire really
[06:03] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: oh, really?
[06:03] <mdke> bug?
[06:03] <nubbe> whiskers, check ur priv msg
[06:03] <sadneophite> not my fault ... x irc emptied my clipboard
[06:03] <olorin> looter: HorizSync       28-33 in monitor section
[06:03] <envel> Does anybode recompiled freetype in ubuntu?
[06:04] <sadneophite> xchat... sorry
[06:04] <olorin> looter: same for VertRefresh
[06:04] <fuoco> fabbione: ping
[06:04] <envel> heeey
[06:04] <delire> sadneophite: ok so you're running vesafb, no vesa?
[06:04] <sadneophite> delire... i am aparently using frame buffer
[06:04] <sadneophite> delire yes...
[06:04] <barney> hello. When I try to print the print job very quickly disapears from the queue, without actually printing. Unless the printer is paused. in gnome-cups-whatsit
[06:04] <delire> sadneophite: this is a problem
[06:04] <barney> any ideas of what's wrong, or how to get actual ink on paper?
[06:04] <delire> sadneophite: fb's tend to muck things up.
[06:04] <sadneophite> okay.. I downloaded the new cd I can reinstall
[06:05] <envel> people, help me please! I don't know what to do! I can't enable bytecode interpreter
[06:05] <delire> sadneophite: try looking in you xorg.conf or XFree86Config-4 for the line that enable use of the framebuffer
[06:06] <sadneophite> delire... how to I configure the terminal (F1-F6) to use higher resolution... after I reinstall
[06:06] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure --plow xserver-xorg and say "no" to the framebuffer question
[06:06] <sleepysentry> hey can anyone here help me?
[06:06] <sadneophite> thoreauputic... but I still have the modules loaded
[06:06] <delire> sadneophite: do that or just take the line out of your config and restart X
[06:06] <sadneophite> thoreauputic...?
[06:07] <delire> sadneophite: without the fb you'll have realistic grounds for troubleshooting.
[06:07] <sadneophite> delire... is it that easy? or do I have to do some ugly module games
[06:07] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: as far as I know, that's the way to disable frame buffer
[06:07] <envel> ok, i'll try freetype-2.1.9. Maybe it will work
[06:07] <delire> sadneophite: rmmod vesafb and edit /etc/modules
[06:07] <delire> sadneophite: outside of X of course ;)
[06:07] <sleepysentry> what do u type to install the module-assistor?
[06:08] <delire> sleepysentry: you mean modconf?
[06:08] <UBabe> im back, and i just realised something, bootloader-wise, i forgot to ask about autohiding partitions :P
[06:08] <sadneophite> delire... 1. I need to edit ect/module 2. I have to plow xserver-xorg or 2b I have to edit xorg.conf
[06:09] <UBabe> how do i get grub to autohide partitions from other installs?
[06:09] <sleepysentry> i dont know. im getting an error message when trying to install stuff saying hte module-assister isnt there
[06:09] <sleepysentry> *the
[06:09] <thoreauputic> UBabe: what do you mean by "autohide" ?
[06:09] <delire> sadneophite: well thoreauputic's method is adviseable if you don't mind writing a new config. otherwise just edit vesafb out of /etc/modules and also FrameBuffer support out of your X config
[06:09] <dazed|> thoreauputic: last night i mentioned my computer locking up randomly to the point i have to reboot by hand, I tired memtest86+ and it found no errors...what other sorts of problems could cause this...warty was fine
[06:10] <dabi> When is ntfs write support coming to ubuntu?
[06:10] <delire> sadneophite: make sure you also rmmod vesafb for that session also. the next time you reboot it will not load.
[06:10] <individ> thoreauputic,  video=vga16:off does the same thing right? disable fb
[06:10] <sadneophite> delire... will that change the way my terminal reacts...?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> dazed|: hard to say - could be a lot of things
[06:10] <delire> dabi: ask Microsoft
[06:10] <dabi> delire: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[06:10] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: what kind of lockup?
[06:10] <delire> sadneophite: not as far as i believe.
[06:10] <thoreauputic> individ: I don't know
[06:10] <thundrcleeze> I just upgraded to hoary, now it's giving me a warning about apt configuration.
[06:11] <dabi> delire: "Captive: The first free NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux"
[06:11] <delire> dabi: i have used that in the past. it works half the time
[06:11] <Secks> How do you install a package ending in ".deb"?
[06:11] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: I mean, I have had at least 10 lockups today
[06:11] <delire> Secks: dpkg -i <package>
[06:11] <dazed|> factor_dee: sometimes i can move my mouse but my desktop is completely frozen and same with keyboard Capslock and scroll lock lights dont turn on
[06:11] <dabi> delire: in ubuntu?
[06:11] <sleepysentry> look in the forums secks
[06:11] <Secks> thanks delire
[06:11] <delire> dabi: Debian, same diff to a large degree
[06:11] <sadneophite> delire.. I just got errors on my upgrade to hoary:final so I think I might just reinstall anyways... *newbie method of bruteforcing bad configurations*
[06:11] <dazed|> Factor_Dee: others i cant even move the mouse
[06:11] <delire> sadneophite: ok, if it's a fresh install, then sure, do that ;)
[06:11] <sleepysentry> does anyone know why im getting an error saying the module assister isnt installed?
[06:11] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: same thing, do you have another comp? 'cause I atleast can restart the gdm through ssh
[06:12] <dazed|> i do...
[06:12] <delire> sleepysentry: what is the exact error?
[06:12] <sleepysentry> let me give u a link just a min
[06:12] <dazed|> factor_dee how would i restart gdm through ssh...i got windows with putty and a copy of hoary on it
[06:12] <sadneophite> delire... question> do you know how to make the terminals high resolution when one isntalls a system?
[06:12] <delire> dazed|: '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' i would guess
[06:12] <sleepysentry> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=696
[06:13] <whiskers> thoreauputic, hey what do you know...this time nautilus burned the files....now let me verify with md5 and see if it is as accurate as gnomebaker
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: first you'd have to have ssh server enabled
[06:13] <dazed|> Factor_Dee: i can connect through putty on windows through ssh ?
[06:13] <McScruff> help me pls
[06:13] <delire> sadneophite: well that would be a result of font size in relation to the desktop size your drawing in.. like 1280x1024 vs 800x600
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: ok, then just sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:13] <McScruff> i got an second hdd and i want normal users to be able to read and write
[06:13] <sadneophite> whisker, aren't both of those programs the front ends to the same command line programs... wouldn't they then have the same 'accuracy?'
[06:13] <dazed|> aight ill give that a try next lockup thanks
[06:13] <delire> sadneophite: i use a 10point Misc font on a 1400x1050 and it looks beautiful ;)
[06:13] <McScruff> atm only root can
[06:14] <sadneophite> delire...no terminal terminals
[06:14] <individ> sadneophite, ya can try linux vga=791 at the boot prompt ( thats an 1024x768)
[06:14] <akk> McScruff: Do you know about chmod?
[06:14] <sadneophite> delire... I am welfare babe
[06:14] <delire> sadneophite: hmm not sure i get you..
[06:14] <sleepysentry> so what do i do?
[06:14] <sadneophite> delire.. .that woun't even fit on my monitor
[06:14] <McScruff> akk: no
[06:14] <thundrcleeze> I just upgraded to hoary, now it's giving me a warning about apt configuration.  Anyone know how I get the keys?  I saw something in the wiki, but it seemed to only pertain to the marillot repo.
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: no prob, btw do the lockups seem to occur whenever you do something that is cpu extensive (and it's Fator, not Factor ;-)
[06:14] <sadneophite> vga791
[06:15] <thundrcleeze> *authentication
[06:15] <sadneophite> vga=791
[06:15] <individ> sadneophite, yep
[06:15] <delire> sadneophite: ahah! yes vga=6 is what i use
[06:15] <stew2> thank!
[06:15] <dazed|> Factor_Dee: yes it is a factor....MOST TIMES...but some its just really RANDOM
[06:15] <sadneophite> individ thanks
[06:15] <delire> sadneophite: you do this in grub or lilo
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: I meanmy nick :-D
[06:15] <individ> sadneophite, np
[06:15] <sadneophite> delire, I think grub was on the ubuntu standard install
[06:16] <dcraven> Does anyone here use netapplet?
[06:16] <dazed|> kohhhhhh lol
[06:16] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, thats why my tab wasnt working
[06:16] <akk> McScruff: man chmod will tell you about how file permissions work; man chown about how to change ownership on files (not sure if you can do those through nautilus, maybe with right-click?)
[06:16] <tritium> dcraven, are you wondering why it crashes on each logout?
[06:16] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: but you are not the only one that has been faCtoring me :-)
[06:16] <delire> sadneophite: my /boot/grub/menu.lst has the line "kernel          /boot/2.6.10 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=6" for instance
[06:16] <akk> McScruff: Is this a disk that's mounted all the time, or something that users would mount themselves when they need it?
[06:16] <dcraven> tritium, hahaha.. Yes I am. Was gonna search bugzilla just now.
[06:16] <sleepysentry> no one knows why im getting the error message i posted at http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=696
[06:16] <McScruff> akk@ all the time
[06:17] <individ> sadneophite, or unpack a kernel source , go in Documentation and search for SVGA.txt to get more info about it
[06:17] <tritium> dcraven, yes, it's a known issue.
[06:17] <dcraven> tritium, okay. Nevermind then. Thanks alot.
[06:17] <sadneophite> delire... well then it just makes sense... for vga=791... cough cough...
[06:17] <wulfy814> ok if anyones in here from last night, I did get twinview working!
[06:17] <wulfy814> Yippee!
[06:17] <akk> McScruff: If you want something writable by everyone all the time, chmod 777 /disk2 (or whatever it's called) should do that.
[06:17] <tritium> sadneophite, I use vga=792
[06:17] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: what are your system specs? if that could mean something?
[06:17] <delire> sadneophite: ;) it's relatively non sensical
[06:17] <wulfy814> copied most of my working xorg.conf from my old install of Mepis
[06:17] <sadneophite> individ... I knew I should have RTFM
[06:17] <akk> McScruff: Of course that's not very secure, but I guess that's what you want in this case.
[06:17] <sleepysentry> is there a reason y no one is helping me? am i doing something wrong?
[06:18] <akk> McScruff: You said you want multiple users to write it, not just you?
[06:18] <wulfy814> new issue: how does one mount an smb share ?
[06:18] <individ> sadneophite, nope its not an RTFM is just an opotion
[06:18] <wulfy814> I can browse using Nautilus
[06:18] <individ> sadneophite, option i ment
[06:18] <delire> sleepysentry: what's the link to the error again?
[06:18] <tritium> wulfy814, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:18] <McScruff> akk : cheers
[06:18] <dr_willis> sleepysentry,  you did install the package it said its missing?
[06:18] <sleepysentry> no one knows why im getting the error message i posted at http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=696
[06:18] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, 1.2 Ghz Amd Athalon (i know gettin a new one for birthday), 40gig HD, 512mb ram, GeForce4 mx4000
[06:18] <wulfy814> but if I do "sudo mount -t smbfs //server/share /mountpoint -o username=user password=password"
[06:18] <dr_willis> sleepysentry,  the module-assistant package?
[06:18] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: hmm, I also have a GF MX400 :-\
[06:19] <wulfy814> I get smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[06:19] <sleepysentry> yes. how do i get it
[06:19] <individ> tritium, easy to change the resolution  but how about the refresh rate?
[06:19] <sadneophite> individ... no seriously... I have been backing up from reading kernel documentation for about 3 years now... some time I have to bite the bullet
[06:19] <dazed|> hmmm maybe its the nvidia drivers...affecting our mx400's?
[06:19] <Fator_Dee> might be
[06:19] <delire> sleepysentry: was this a package you've made yourself?
[06:19] <tritium> sleepysentry, it's because you used dpkg to try to install that package.  It can't handly dependencies like apt can.
[06:19] <delire> sleepysentry: or did you download it from somewhere..
[06:19] <sadneophite> individ... it is good that useful stuff will be in there when I get around to it...
[06:19] <sleepysentry> i downloaded the package from somewhere
[06:20] <sleepysentry> how do I install it then?
[06:20] <Fator_Dee> btw, at the next lockup don't restart the gdm right away, use the "top" command to see if your Xorg or xfree uses all the processir
[06:20] <delire> tritium: he asked how to install a .deb so i suggested dpkg -i..
[06:20] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, did u run warty prior to hoary?
[06:20] <dr_willis> apt-get install whatever-package
[06:20] <dr_willis> should do it.
[06:20] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: yes
[06:20] <dazed|> was it fine?
[06:20] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: had the same problem, but not as frequently
[06:20] <sleepysentry> ill try that thanks
[06:20] <sadneophite> individ... what is impressive is that you KNOW where it is... otherwise I would have been reading for two weekends before I would have found it
[06:20] <Fator_Dee> and I had it with my age old mandrake 9.1 too
[06:20] <tritium> delire, okay, but that won't grab the module-assistant dependency for him.  He'll have to use apt-get install module-assistant for that.
[06:20] <Xappe> wtf 4 kb/s from the repos
[06:20] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, i dont think i ever had that problem on hoary ... my computer was on for weeks sometimes
[06:21] <dazed|> warty*
[06:21] <delire> tritium: of course, his question didn't include enough meta data
[06:21] <libben> anything else to use instead of gdesklets?
[06:21] <individ> sadneophite, ya funny you know
[06:21] <wulfy814> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.30.32/c$
[06:21] <sadneophite> individ... svga.txt... cool
[06:21] <thundrcleeze> I just upgraded to hoary from warty, now it's giving me a warning about apt authentication.  Anyone know how I get the keys for the main repositories?  I saw something in the wiki, but it seemed to only pertain to the marillot repository.
[06:22] <KeithWeisshar> the ubuntolinux website is slow
[06:22] <thoreauputic> KeithWeisshar: yes, it's getting hammered with the new release
[06:22] <McScruff> akk : can i pm?
[06:22] <deFrysk> thundrcleeze, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/
[06:22] <KeithWeisshar> how do i access the torrents
[06:22] <tritium> thoreauputic, you're having troubles?  With what?
[06:22] <delire> libben: KDE uses rave about 'superkaramba', though i'm not familiar with it.
[06:23] <jnoreiko> phew. converted the wiki faq to moin markup....
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: do you have the nvidia drivers installed now?
[06:23] <sadneophite> delire..
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> and what version?
[06:23] <delire> ..
[06:23] <thoreauputic> tritium: just the main website/wiki etc
[06:23] <KeithWeisshar> where are the torrents for ubuntu
[06:23] <jnoreiko> or at least when the server respond to the post........
[06:23] <tritium> thoreauputic, oh, ok
[06:23] <thundrcleeze> Yes, deFrysk, that's the page I was on, all it has is the marillot server key.
[06:23] <sadneophite> delire.. something strange... the etc/modules only has .... how to you say.... other modules in it
[06:23] <apokryphos> KeithWeisshar: torrents.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, i actually havent 'enabled' them until JUST NOW
[06:23] <thoreauputic> tritium: it doesn't surprise me - no big deal
[06:23] <apokryphos> KeithWeisshar: *torrent.ubuntu.com
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: and they appeared JUST NOW?
[06:24] <delire> sadneophite: well just remove framebuffer support from your X config and it won't be used
[06:24] <delire> sadneophite: .. won't be used anyway..
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> if that's so, it's quite clear
[06:24] <tritium> KeithWeisshar, or scroll down here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[06:24] <KeithWeisshar> it didn't work
[06:24] <jnoreiko> anyone else having trouble with editing wiki pages? it's taking for ever to send
[06:24] <apokryphos> KeithWeisshar: full list here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> 'cause I've had them installed always
[06:24] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, well i have had the packaged installed since warty but about 45 seconds ago i enabled the drivers cuz i didnt read package instructions when i installed
[06:24] <sadneophite> delire... sorry didn't want to spam the channel
[06:24] <thoreauputic> jnoreiko: yes, it's under strain atm
[06:24] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> how do I go about editing xorg.conf ? what program do i use ?
[06:24] <jnoreiko> oh crap, I've just made a total mess of it :(
[06:25] <apokryphos> Pop_pa_FrEaK: your favourite text editor :)
[06:25] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:25] <membreya> where in /proc/ is the cpu info (temperature) kept?
[06:25] <delire> sadneophite: so it's basically an empty file? no problem.
[06:25] <KeithWeisshar> why is there a dvd torrent
[06:25] <sadneophite> delire... the mysteries of debian
[06:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> do I need to run as root to do it ?
[06:25] <delire> sadneophite: whether you're using X.org or XFree86, just edit the relative section enabling fb support.
[06:26] <apokryphos> Pop_pa_FrEaK: to apply changes to it, yes. What are you trying to do?
[06:26] <delire> sadneophite: not a mystery, that's an optional file.
[06:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> working on setting up my ati card
[06:26] <tritium> KeithWeisshar, I gave you a URL to CD torrents
[06:26] <apokryphos> Pop_pa_FrEaK: there's instructions for that... installing the ATI drivers that is. Have you looked at 'em?
[06:26] <jnoreiko> what's the syntax for a comment in moin?
[06:27] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes looking at them now
[06:27] <apokryphos> ok
[06:27] <individ> Pop_pa_FrEaK,  i never got to get mine working
[06:28] <sadneophite> delire... no it is black magic... I have vesafb... yet I don't have it in the /etc/modules... if that isn't black magic voodoo, then I don't know what it :)
[06:28] <thundrcleeze> deFrysk, do you know where I would get the key off the server for the main repositoies?
[06:28] <individ> ati drivers are bugyy
[06:28] <individ> buggy
[06:28] <deFrysk> thundrcleeze, honestly duno
[06:29] <jnoreiko> erm... I've just made a complete mess of the wiki faq page.
[06:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> individ, try this tutorial ---> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[06:29] <dcraven> jnoreiko, hha
[06:29] <jnoreiko> no, really... the comments need to be changed to moin format
[06:29] <jnoreiko> and the server is too slow to show me the help page
[06:30] <thundrcleeze> I'm sure others have upgraded from warty to hoary and had the same problem...
[06:30] <individ> Pop_pa_FrEaK, kewl thanks
[06:30] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> np
[06:31] <fgx> anybody noticed probs with gdesklets in hoary?
[06:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> that's what the linux community is for
[06:31] <thoreauputic> thundrcleeze: have you tried a different mirror?
[06:31] <fab31> hi
[06:31] <sadneophite> delire... okay... GPL Voodoo, but still.... (i am used to windows... there the registry was REAL black magic...I heard if you made a pakt with mephistophlese... he would grant you the sourcecode...sell your soul)  anyways, was it xfree86config... what is uppercse there..
[06:31] <delire> sadneophite: it's loaded as a dependent module, it doesn't need to be listed in /etc/modules. see 'depmod'
[06:31] <delire> sadneophite: yer a funny chap ;)
[06:31] <alterim> can someone please tell me how to play xvids on ubuntu?
[06:31] <alterim> the simplest, quickest way please
[06:31] <alterim> ?
[06:32] <alterim> seems to be a few options but not one defacto one
[06:32] <fab31> install mplayer
[06:32] <EvilIdler> alterim: totem or totem-xine
[06:32] <delire> alterim: you are using the non-free Marillat package repository?
[06:32] <alterim> totem-gstreamer + install gst-ffmpeg, totem+xine, install mplayer, etc
[06:32] <KeithWeisshar> what's the dvd image for?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> alterim: visit www.ubuntuguide.org and read the howtos
[06:32] <apokryphos> KeithWeisshar: just extra packages
[06:32] <alterim> thoreauputic, you are always the first to suggest that
[06:32] <thundrcleeze> thoreauputic, I don't know what other mirrors to try, unless the main repositories don't need authentication.
[06:32] <alterim> but that's no help
[06:32] <alterim> there is no guide for xvid
[06:33] <thoreauputic> alterim: why no help?
[06:33] <alterim> so please, don't suggest that any more times... thanks
[06:33] <thundrcleeze> I just did the eu pgp server
[06:33] <sadneophite> delire... I still don\t know how to write xfree86config sufficently well to make my X xonfigure itself
[06:33] <apokryphos> KeithWeisshar: oh wait, I think the DVD is a combined liveCD/real-cd
[06:33] <delire> alterim: tell us the problem more specifically.
[06:33] <alterim> delire yes
[06:33] <fab31> at ubuntu install I had to pass hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false to installer
[06:33] <alterim> i want to watch an xvid
[06:33] <fab31> not it's installed
[06:33] <alterim> i just said that
[06:33] <fab31> and it freezes at startup
[06:33] <fab31> at hotplug
[06:33] <fab31> how can I prevent it ?
[06:33] <Crane> hello
[06:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: I suggest it because it helps most people - I'm sorry if I offended
[06:34] <alterim> there is gst-ffmpeg for gstreamer, there is xine (i don't know how to play xvid with xine), and there is mplayer
[06:34] <alterim> these are the ways i know of
[06:34] <delire> sadneophite: there is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-..
[06:34] <alterim> but i would like to use totem if possible
[06:34] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm can't seem to be able to modify xoeg.conf
[06:34] <delire> alterim: what is the /*output of the error8/
[06:34] <alterim> it seems quite efficient
[06:34] <KeithWeisshar> is the dvd image official
[06:34] <delire> alterim: you however, are not.
[06:34] <alterim> sorry?
[06:35] <sadneophite> delrie oooh... is your buffer long enough to grab that.. I haven't configured Xchat for a longer bufer yet....
[06:35] <delire> alterim: the error will assist diagnosis.
[06:35] <_kaz> what do I install in order to watch a dvd?
[06:35] <thoreauputic> alterim: you haven't specified the error/problem
[06:35] <sadneophite> delire oooh... is your buffer long enough to grab that.. I haven't configured Xchat for a longer bufer yet....
[06:35] <delire> sadneophite: grab what? i didn't see a DCC or msg
[06:35] <alterim> ok...... back when i've mounted the fat32 partition and double clicked an xvid...
[06:35] <alterim> (pretty sure it says format unknown)
[06:35] <alterim> but here goes..
[06:36] <sadneophite> delire... he tacked on a bulldoyer option or something
[06:36] <delire> sadneophite: ;)
[06:36] <_TeRmInEt_> can help me?
[06:37] <KeithWeisshar> why are there two hoary-install-i386.iso with the same name near the top of the tracker listing
[06:37] <sadneophite> delire... hmmm were you paying attention back during the mid 90s have much on board do you think an old xga card has...?
[06:38] <KeithWeisshar> there are two files of the same name but different hashes, why
[06:38] <sadneophite> delire thanks for all of the help
[06:39] <delire> sadneophite: anytime ..
[06:39] <_kaz> when I try to play a DVD I get...
[06:39] <_kaz> "There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "dvd://", you might need to install the corresponding plugins"
[06:39] <arbeck> I want to upgrade to hoary from warty... do I have to remove my backports first, or can I just change them from warty to hoary before I do the apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:40] <zenrox> _kaz,  read www.ubuntuguide.org/temp
[06:40] <KeithWeisshar> should i use rewritable cd for ubuntu iso releases every 6 months
[06:40] <Florob> _kaz: do you habe libdvdcss?
[06:40] <alterim> can someone tell me how i rescan for mounted drives?
[06:40] <alterim> can someone tell me how i rescan for mounted drives?
[06:40] <_kaz> florob: how can I check?
[06:40] <alterim> or reload the fstab or something
[06:40] <zenwhen> can someone tell me how to ask my question twice?
[06:40] <ups> alterim: sudo mount -a
[06:40] <alterim> argh fucking linux dicks
[06:40] <alterim> thanks ups
[06:41] <dcraven> arbeck, best to remove them since you probably won't need the backports anymore.
[06:41] <CarinArr> hi, bit confused about something.. say i want to mount a windows drive on /media/whatever, what would be the right way to go about it in order to make sure you can mount it as a normal user
[06:41] <dcraven> alterim, don't be rude.
[06:41] <thoreauputic> alterim: your patience is impressive...
[06:41] <Fator_Dee> _kaz: if you don't know do you have it installed, you propably don't have it installed
[06:41] <CarinArr> oh, it's over the network btw.. not the same machine
[06:41] <ups> alterim: that comment wasn't really nice
[06:41] <KeithWeisshar> do you recommend jigdo to download and for future versions use jigdo to save download time for the updates
[06:41] <dcraven> alterim, "df" will tell what's mounted probably.
[06:41] <delire> alterim: mount, will give you a list of all mounted fs's 'mount -a' will attempt to mount everything in /etc/fstab
[06:41] <_kaz> fator: I am new to ubuntu, first timer here.
[06:41] <sadneophite> aps he is envious
[06:41] <dr_willis> 'mount' will list all mounted stuff as well.
[06:41] <alterim> nor was that when i've just accidentaly hit return twice 'can someone tell me how to ask my question twice?'
[06:41] <sadneophite> ups he is envious
[06:42] <alterim> mount -a was fine
[06:42] <lao_v> hi guys..can anyone help with my wireless connectivity problem...
[06:42] <alterim> ok, this is what totem says when i try to play an xvid...:
[06:42] <delire> dr_willis: what amazes you?
[06:42] <lao_v> i am able to connect to my router but can't surf the web
[06:42] <KeithWeisshar> is jigdo the best way to download ubuntu and then for future versions, download only the changes using the existing ubuntu cd as the base
[06:42] <alterim> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///media/windows/Dead.Mans.Shoes.LiMiTED.DVDRip.XviD-DoNE/Dead.Mans.Shoes.LiMiTED.DVDRip.XviD-DoNE.avi", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[06:42] <sadneophite> lao_w maybe
[06:42] <arbeck> dcraven: I try to run this command to downgrade them all back to warty apt-show-versions -b | grep warty-backports | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | awk -F/ '{print $1;}' |grep -v grepmap | grep -v wine | xargs --replace="{}" apt-get install {}/warty -y --force-yes     and i get this error:
[06:42] <arbeck> dcraven: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:42] <arbeck> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[06:43] <sadneophite> lao_w oooh that sounds like a networking problem
[06:43] <flipy> is there any ati howto for ubuntu?
[06:43] <flipy> or just apt-get ati-drivers?
[06:43] <jnoreiko> does anyone here actually LIKE bluefish?
[06:43] <alterim> haha, i just pasted the output of the error message
[06:43] <faux_> i have some mount weirdness happening, /dev/hda6 /mnt/ ext3 user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 gives:
[06:43] <dcraven> arbeck, prepend "sudo" to your command.
[06:43] <faux_> EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value
[06:43] <sadneophite> flipy there is in the docs
[06:43] <alterim> and what happened?
[06:43] <alterim> bugger all
[06:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> opened up xorg.conf in text editor but for some reason it won't let me modify it
[06:43] <lao_v> sadneophite: wat can i do?
[06:43] <arbeck> dcraven: i did that... no change
[06:43] <delire> alterim: ok, 'dpkg -l | grep xvid'
[06:43] <alterim> ok, here goes:
[06:43] <dcraven> arbeck, and enter your user password when it asks.
[06:43] <sadneophite> flipy but I forgot where I saw it
[06:43] <dcraven> arbeck, oh.
[06:43] <alterim> woo someone heard
[06:43] <Myrtti> jnoreiko: any better ones around? I use both bluefish and Screem
[06:43] <flipy> sadneophite, docs? which docs? ubuntuguide?
[06:43] <alterim> delire, what's that about?
[06:43] <libben> Pop_pa_FrEaK,  have u opened it with sudo?
[06:43] <libben> or su
[06:43] <dcraven> arbeck, you have synaptic, or update manager or any other apt-type program open?
[06:43] <delire> alterim: it will tell you whether you have xvid gear on board
[06:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> flippy , try this tutorial ---> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[06:44] <sadneophite> flipy maybe... they had a ati nvidia etc
[06:44] <alterim> ok hang on
[06:44] <dr_willis> Hmm. Anyone else been haveing some 'locales' issues? checking the wiki now. their fix dident seem to fix anything.
[06:44] <thoreauputic> alterim: adjust your attitude and read the Code of Conduct. You are being offensive
[06:44] <D1> I'm looking to move from freebsd to ubuntu. But I'm wondering, is there a signficant speed difference between binary and source distros? would I notice any speed differences between freebsd and ubuntu (I know they're not the same) but just because of binary vs. source?
[06:44] <jnoreiko> well, I tried a basic regexp search and replace in bluefish to add a # at the start of each line, and it doesn't work!!!
[06:44] <alterim> thor, no i'm not
[06:44] <sadneophite> flipy thez are REALLY good... those people worked really long and hard on them
[06:44] <delire> alterim: the 'ii' means installed
[06:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> libben, no I have not just a noob to ubuntu so still learning
[06:44] <alterim> ok delire brb
[06:44] <_kaz> I get  package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is reerred to by another package.
[06:44] <sadneophite> lao_w can you ping your router?
[06:44] <_kaz> s/reerred/referred
[06:44] <arbeck> dcraven: nope... i ran synaptic a few minutes ago to install apt-show-versions... is there a chance it didn't cancel it's lock?
[06:44] <alterim> delire that hasn't done anything
[06:44] <libben> Pop_pa_FrEaK,  sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf then =)
[06:44] <delire> _kaz: i would guess you need the Marillat repositories
[06:44] <alterim> it's given me an arrow
[06:44] <libben> and type ur userpassword
[06:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok thanx libben
[06:45] <KeithWeisshar> jigdo uses a jigdo and template and it creates an iso by downloading normal files and assembling it
[06:45] <CarinArr> possible someone can help? i can mount it fine as root, but get operation not permitted as normal user. i've set smbmnt +s and smbumount +s..
[06:45] <libben> when asked for
[06:45] <flipy> and how to disable the esd at start? it breaks my xmms
[06:45] <delire> alterim: then, my suspcion that you didn't have the XVid codecs installed, has just been proven correct
[06:45] <alterim> oh
[06:45] <dcraven> arbeck, if you are sure, then you can probably delete the file /var/lib/dpkg/lock and try again.
[06:45] <alterim> i added a ' at the end by mistake
[06:45] <dcraven> arbeck, it's possible something closed uncleanly and didn't unlock.
[06:45] <sadneophite> flipy xmms is kde... are you kubuntu?
[06:45] <KeithWeisshar> jigdo downloads each package and assembles the iso, when the iso is updated it only needs to download the updated packages
[06:45] <alterim> ok delire that command did nothing at all
[06:46] <bob2> sadneophite: er, xmms has nothing to do with kde
[06:46] <thoreauputic> alterim: it appears you need libxvidcore4
[06:46] <delire> alterim: 'apt-cache search' xvid and then choose the package to install.
[06:46] <lao_v> _kaz..u need to get the merillant repositories
[06:46] <lao_v> sadneophite? any suggestion to my wireless problem?
[06:46] <flipy> sadneophite, no, gnome, but somehow it installed (i really like beep-media-player)
[06:46] <thoreauputic> alterim: which means you haven't enabled the right repositories
[06:46] <alterim> i've enabled the ones ubuntuguide.org tells me to enable
[06:46] <delire> s/apt-cache\ search/apt-cache\ search\ xvid
[06:46] <faux_> flipy, have you tries setting xmms output to esd?
[06:46] <arbeck> dcraven: same problem after i delete the lock file
[06:46] <alterim> i'm sure you approve of those
[06:47] <sadneophite> flipy xmms has a rather large preferences menuset
[06:47] <flipy> faux_, as i said, i preferr using bmp... and alsa, of course
[06:47] <thoreauputic> alterim: I have them and the ones listed on the wiki page for restricted formats
[06:47] <sadneophite> lao_w can you ping your wireless router...you said you could connect to it....
[06:47] <thoreauputic> alterim: which are the same afaik anyway
[06:47] <alterim> libxvidcore4 is in the cache
[06:47] <alterim> but uninstalled
[06:47] <lao_v> i can
[06:47] <alterim> i don't know what made you think i had the wrong repos simply because it was uninstalled
[06:48] <delire> alterim: do you have a  /usr/lib/libxvidcore.so.*
[06:48] <lao_v> and i can also get the the router config page
[06:48] <faux_> flipy, then why do you want to use xmms?
[06:48] <alterim> i don't know delire, how do i find out?
[06:48] <dcraven> arbeck, try putting the "sudo" right after the xargs in that command, or do a "sudo -s" for a root shell and run it as is.
[06:48] <thoreauputic> alterim: possibly because it should install as a dependency for mplayer or xine - I didn't need to install it specifically
[06:48] <delire> alterim: browse for it using a 'file browser' or using the UNIX program 'ls'
[06:48] <alterim> what makes you think i use mplayer or xine?
[06:49] <alterim> i installed ubuntu 5.04
[06:49] <flipy> faux_, it's a mp3-player... and my sound issues are realted to any player
[06:49] <alterim> which comes with neither
[06:49] <arbeck> dcraven: that was it, you have to be completly root...
[06:49] <flipy> so if i get xmms working... i get anything else working
[06:49] <alterim> so it's more than likely i simply have totem/gstreamer, which is default, no?
[06:49] <delire> alterim: when you install Windows, does it install all the Codecs for you too??
[06:49] <thoreauputic> alterim: you didn't install totem-xine then?
[06:49] <alterim> no thoreauputic
[06:49] <sadneophite> lao_w
[06:49] <delire> ok, out for now..
[06:49] <thoreauputic> alterim: that's the suggested method for playing restricted vid
[06:49] <bob2> alterim: if you want to play non-free formats, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:50] <sadneophite> lao_w write my name when you reply otherwise I can't see what you are saying well
[06:50] <thoreauputic> alterim: or mplayer or xine-ui
[06:50] <alterim> thoreauptutic, wiki suggest mplayer as first choice for playing xvid
[06:50] <alterim> followerd by w32codecs (of which xvid is not included)
[06:50] <dcraven> arbeck, the problem was that if you prepend that whole command with "sudo" you are only running the apt-show-versions part as root. That command is actually a string of commands so all of the rest of them would be run as a non-"sudoed" user.
[06:50] <thoreauputic> alterim: yes, that should work with the right codecs
[06:50] <alterim> there is no official mention of installing totem+xine
[06:51] <dcraven> arbeck, by making the root shell, the entire string of commands is run as root.
[06:51] <alterim> i'm still confused
[06:51] <thoreauputic> alterim: OK sorry - it's often mentioned here
[06:51] <dcraven> arbeck, make sense?
[06:51] <arbeck> dcraven: yeah... i feel stupid now, i should have caught that on my onw
[06:51] <alterim> thoreauputic has suggest i 'need' libxvidcore4, then xine, now mplayer
[06:51] <hunger> Is there interesst in having ubuntu run on encrypted disks? Can I help with that effort?
[06:51] <dcraven> arbeck, we've all been there :)
[06:51] <alterim> which still lives me confused as i originally was
[06:51] <thoreauputic> alterim: no not all at once :)
[06:51] <yfir> alterim, totem-xine OR mplayer
[06:51] <fab31> I get a kernel panic at startup
[06:51] <alterim> well, i like totem, maybe i should try xine
[06:52] <fab31> it seems to appear when loading modules
[06:52] <alterim> will installing totemxine be enough to play xvid?
[06:52] <dcraven> Hey alterim, could you please call me a linux dick again?
[06:52] <fab31> how can I prevent it ?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> alterim: I've had the best luck with xine-ui and/or totem-xine
[06:52] <flipy> i can't get xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:53] <thoreauputic> alterim: your file seems to be avi, which plays fine here, fwiw
[06:53] <fab31> nobody knows the ubuntu boot process ??
[06:53] <alterim> so, what about libxvidcore4, shall i forget you mentioned that?
[06:53] <bob2> flipy: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:53] <bob2> thoreauputic: avi is not a vide oformat
[06:53] <_kaz> is ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat a trusted source for debian/marillat?
[06:53] <alterim> well it's an xvid in an .avi container
[06:53] <alterim> you need to try and play an xvid, not an avi
[06:53] <bob2> right
[06:53] <thoreauputic> bob2: hmm... what is the .avi suffix then? i seem to have such files
[06:54] <jordanau> has the way mounted hard drives (windows partitions) are displayed changed from warty to hoary? (in gnome)
[06:54] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[06:54] <dcraven> _kaz, you are wondering if you can safely add it to your Ubuntu sources.list?
[06:54] <alterim> .avi can be any number of format
[06:54] <alterim> usually an mpeg4 variant
[06:54] <bob2> thoreauputic: it's the container format
[06:54] <thoreauputic> alterim: OK thanks i get it :)
[06:54] <alterim> xvid is the hardest to make work, it seems
[06:54] <_kaz> dcraven: yes... I just saw it referenced on the web somewhere. I need dvd playback ability.
[06:54] <sadneophite> delire now for the reboot!
[06:54] <bob2> thoreauputic: ogg is another container format, which often contains vorbis (the actual audio format)
[06:54] <alterim> bob2, do you have a suggestion for someone how has just installed 5.04?
[06:55] <bob2> avi is a pretty terrible container, tho
[06:55] <thoreauputic> bob2: OK - thanks
[06:55] <alterim> on how to play xivd using totem?
[06:55] <bob2> it's a shame windows people use it
[06:55] <queuetue> archive.ubuntu is down?
[06:55] <alterim> bob2 i agree
[06:55] <dcraven> _kaz, I personally avoid it, but I know some people use it. Does universe/multiverse not have what you need?
[06:55] <KeithWeisshar> is the ubuntu dvd torrent unofficial?
[06:55] <bob2> alterim: don't bother, just install mplayer; wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:55] <alterim> ok man. will do
[06:55] <bob2> KeithWeisshar: it's from the ubuntulinux.org webserver, the torrents are official
[06:55] <thundrcleeze> bob2, the ogg video format if much better
[06:55] <dataw0lf> ubuntu.com is apparently down, archives, wiki, etc.
[06:55] <dcraven> _kaz, the totem-xine in multi/universe will probably play them.
[06:55] <thundrcleeze> is*
[06:56] <alterim> i tried totem-xine and they played fine but with no sound
[06:56] <bob2> thundrcleeze: you mean theora?  I dunno if it's technically better, but ogg is certainly technically better than avi.
[06:56] <_kaz> I only have universe
[06:56] <alterim> i tried totem-gstreamer and they played with sound but the video was jerky
[06:56] <queuetue> Yeah, looks like ubuntu went down - slashdotted?
[06:56] <thundrcleeze> Yeah, theora.
[06:56] <alterim> so i am really counting on mplayer.,..
[06:56] <_kaz> dcraven: does that mean I should rebuild my totem?
[06:56] <individ> i installed the xorg-driver-fglrx (i have an ati 9200) i put instead of "ati" driver the "fglrx" and added some options to the device section , X startx with the fglrx driver but i get this error: (EE) fglrx(0): Incompatible kernel module detected -HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[06:56] <thoreauputic> alterim: possibly I got the codec when I installed mplayer ( or the library)
[06:56] <bob2> individ: I really wouldn't bother on a 9200
[06:56] <dcraven> _kaz, which totem do you have installed? totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[06:56] <KeithWeisshar> release.ubuntu.com is still online
[06:57] <osity> roo: you here?
[06:57] <KeithWeisshar> releases
[06:57] <_kaz> dcraven: how can I find out?
[06:57] <KeithWeisshar> *releases.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <individ> bob2, you say that cause there wud be no major performance boost with the fglrx driver compare to the ati driver?
[06:57] <alterim> bob2: ubuntu.com is down.. gonna have to wait
[06:57] <dcraven> _kaz, synaptic.. I think the default is totem-gstreamer which is unfortunate.
[06:57] <alterim> totem-gstreamer is supposed to be the better option
[06:57] <_kaz> yes I have whatever is default in new hoary.
[06:58] <individ> bob2, or you have other reason?
[06:58] <dcraven> _kaz, if you apt-get install totem-xine, apt will uninstall totem-gstreamer and replace it.
[06:58] <alterim> unfortunately just not with xvid
[06:58] <osity> bob2: hey bob ....is it hard to turn on software raid 1 in ubuntu?
[06:58] <queuetue> alterim, Tell someone to plug the network cable back in - we'll be nice from now on, we promise. :)
[06:58] <dcraven> _kaz, or use synaptic to do the same, your preference.
[06:58] <zenwhen> totem-gstreamer barely plays anything
[06:58] <bob2> individ: I really doubt it's a useful boost
[06:58] <dcraven> zenwhen, exactly.
[06:58] <bob2> alterim: yes, I'm asking about it now
[06:59] <bob2> osity: no, simple, but installing to it is more complicated
[06:59] <yfir> gstreamer will be great one day, just not today
[06:59] <alterim> ok.. i'm going to try totem-xine, and then mplayer
[06:59] <alterim> in that order
[06:59] <individ> bob2, personal experience?
[06:59] <alterim> simply cos i like totem
[06:59] <devdude> wogwon
[06:59] <Kennyjb402> zenwhen: get totem-xine
[06:59] <_kaz> I think ubuntu is going to be the most popular desktop linux ever :] 
[06:59] <mjr> zenwhen, if by "barely anything" you mean "doesn't play mpeg4", gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg will fix that
[06:59] <zenwhen> but totem-xine is so easy to install that there is no reason to upon ubuntu up to license issues by having it installed by default
[06:59] <bob2> individ: from the fact the firegl drivers don't actually support it
[06:59] <osity> bob2... so is there docs i can sfollow
[06:59] <individ> bob2,  anyways ya have any idea about that error?
[06:59] <zenwhen> I know about totem-xine thanks.
[06:59] <bob2> mjr: fix the worlds stupid patent laws first
[06:59] <jordanau> okay other people are having problems with mounts not showing up on desktop on computer in gnome, is this a feature change or bug?
[06:59] <individ> bob2, how can it be
[06:59] <Kennyjb402> :)
[06:59] <zenwhen> I was just commenting on gstreamer.
[06:59] <devdude> Is anyone else having problems connecting to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[06:59] <devdude> ??
[06:59] <bob2> individ: did you check if they actually support it?
[06:59] <dataw0lf> devdude: yeah.
[06:59] <individ> bob2, yes
[07:00] <yfir> devdude: seems to be down
[07:00] <bob2> devdude: it's being investigated
[07:00] <mjr> bob2, well, apparently libxine is nowadays in main anyway
[07:00] <devdude> dataw0lf: ah.. sweet.. shot
[07:00] <individ> bob2, if i do the fglrxconfig it shows up as supported
[07:00] <dataw0lf> totem-xine isn't the only problem.  I'm sure most of you have seen the updated mplayer site.
[07:00] <WhiteShadow> ive read that there could be a broblem when dualboot with windows?
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> totally
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> fucking
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> awesome.
[07:00] <bob2> individ: no, look at the manual for them
[07:00] <dataw0lf> devdude: yeah, we're waiting too.
[07:01] <individ> bob2, what manual ? from the ati web page?
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> 1995MHz AMD64, 128K L1 Cache @ 16349MB/S access, 1024K L2 cache @ 4062MB/s access, 512M main memory @ 1163MB/s access
[07:01] <individ> bob2, i tought that fglrxconfig is trustable
[07:01] <N00b> can it ba a rob when dualboot with winxp
[07:01] <Ex-Cyber> is it normal for Sound Juicer to rip at only 1.4x? (DMA is enabled, and the speed is the same at the beginning and end of the disc
[07:01] <osity> bob2: hey bob ....are there any sites that show how to do it./
[07:01] <libben> deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[07:01] <libben> deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[07:01] <libben> deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> ddr == fast
[07:01] <libben> cant get those to work
[07:01] <Rebroad> anyone here tried using vmware and had problems with grub?
[07:01] <bob2> libben: none of those will be of any use t oyou
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> it's like 1/16 of my L1 cache speed :)
[07:01] <azad> are the apt-get servers down?
[07:01] <envel> hey, www.ubuntulinux.org is down????
[07:02] <bob2> envel: dude
[07:02] <Rebroad> azad: i think they might be
[07:02] <envel> aaahhh...
[07:02] <bob2> envel: read the channel topic, ffs
[07:02] <azad> okay.. thanks
[07:02] <bob2> libben: if only because they are source, not binary sources
[07:02] <Rebroad> azad: which ones are you connecting to? the us ones?
[07:02] <bob2> osity: yes, no idea where they are
[07:02] <libben> bob2, well i added the -src myself
[07:02] <azad> 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138)]  [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.151)] 
[07:02] <bob2> azad: some ubuntu.com machines are down
[07:02] <libben> cause when i did it earlier without
[07:02] <bob2> libben: why?
[07:02] <Rebroad> i think the deb files should be bittorrentable...
[07:02] <libben> it went into update-notifier
[07:02] <libben> and that i dident want to
[07:02] <bob2> libben: please try to put a whole sentence on a single line
[07:02] <azad> for example
[07:02] <KeithWeisshar> i previously ordered the cd from shipit.ubuntu.com
[07:03] <bob2> Rebroad: patches to apt are welcome
[07:03] <KeithWeisshar> should i wait for the cd to arrive
[07:03] <bob2> KeithWeisshar: they will ship in a few weeks
[07:03] <KeithWeisshar> i live in the usa
[07:03] <azad> okay, thanks.. isn't that time-critical anyways
[07:03] <kro> Anyone noticing issues with archive.ubuntu.com?
[07:03] <envel> will it work again?
[07:03] <lesshaste> how do you upgrade from one ubuntu version to the next?
[07:03] <Rebroad> bob2: i mean, many people keep .deb files in their /var/cache/apt/archive directory for ages, so they'd be ideal for torrenting
[07:03] <knubbze> are the ubuntu servers down?
[07:03] <icebreak> what is the default root password
[07:03] <envel> lesshaste, the site is down. no way
[07:03] <knubbze> oh, sorry
[07:03] <icebreak> in ubuntbu 5.4 ?
[07:03] <bob2> KeithWeisshar: as above
[07:03] <Kennyjb402> yes
[07:03] <bob2> kro: yes, read the topic
[07:03] <lesshaste> envel, I mean in general.
[07:03] <dcraven> knubbze, sounds like it.
[07:03] <knubbze> didn't look into the topic
[07:03] <knubbze> \o
[07:03] <bob2> lesshaste: read the wiki, there's a HoaryUpgradeNotes page
[07:03] <Rebroad> bob2: I'd be happy to patch apt with this functionality - MD5 is already set up, so shouldn't be much to do
[07:04] <bob2> knubbze: yes, read the topic
[07:04] <bob2> Rebroad: haha
[07:04] <lao_v> icebreak: the root is disabled by default
[07:04] <icebreak> what is the default root password in ubuntbu ?
[07:04] <lesshaste> bob2, ok thx
[07:04] <icebreak> ahh, ok, how do i enable it ?
[07:04] <bob2> icebreak: dude, read the FAQ
[07:04] <envel> lesshaste, change distr name to hoary, then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:04] <Rebroad> bob2: probably wouldn't need to make many changes to apt itself, it could fork already written torrenting programs..
[07:04] <bob2> Rebroad: it's not as simple as yo uthink
[07:04] <icebreak> any1 know how to install vmware tools onto my ubuntbu?
[07:04] <Rebroad> bob2: the main issue would be ensuring the deb files are available on the network, so the ubuntu people would need to torrent enable their update servers.
[07:05] <bob2> icebreak: you pay money to vmware, and they don't even give you instructions?
[07:05] <Rebroad> bob2: not simple? why not?
[07:05] <_kaz> do you think ubuntu would be better than debian for a server?
[07:05] <icerogue> hi all, i just installed hoary and it isnt receiving dhcp from my router any ideas?
[07:05] <bob2> Rebroad: there are no "update servers", there are only the archive servers
[07:05] <_kaz> better or equal to maybe?
[07:05] <Rebroad> icebreak: go to www.vmware.com
[07:05] <icebreak> bob2: i'm using trail verson..
[07:05] <icebreak> k
[07:05] <icebreak> nm
[07:05] <icebreak> direct link to FAQ ?
[07:05] <bob2> Rebroad: have a look at the apt codebase sometime
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> does anyone realize that a 1600MHz FSB would make main memory roughly equivalent to L2 cache in terms of access speed
[07:05] <sighnal> icebalm: so. 2.6.12-rc2 installed. ;)
[07:05] <dcraven> _kaz, depends how stable you need it.
[07:05] <envel> does any archive server work?
[07:06] <bob2> bluefoxicy: does this have anything to do with ubunutu?
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> actually a little faster
[07:06] <Rebroad> bob2: well, apt would still need to connect to the archive server to get the MD5s I suppose but from then on it can save bandwidth by getting the parts via p2p
[07:06] <dcraven> _kaz, stable/secure.
[07:06] <bob2> envel: country mirrors should still work
[07:06] <icebalm> sighnal: nice :D
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  no, it's just stuff I'm examining.
[07:06] <_kaz> dcraven: as stable as freebsd :P
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  although I'd imagine RIMM2 would make ubuntu boot faster :)
[07:06] <bob2> Rebroad: I'm pretty sure md5 is not useful for guaranteeing that anymore
[07:06] <Kirsch> hey guys, whats up with the repositories?
[07:06] <envel> bob2, please give me atleast one link
[07:06] <bob2> Kirsch: dude, the TOPIC
[07:06] <Rebroad> bob2: md5 is unfoolable
[07:06] <_kaz> dcraven: I'm really starting to like debian / ubuntu though.. and I'm using debian for my mysql database right now.
[07:06] <bob2> envel: um
[07:06] <dcraven> _kaz, well I wouldn't use Ubuntu then personally.. Either Debian woody or FreeBSD.
[07:06] <bob2> Rebroad: no, sorry
[07:06] <sighnal> icebalm: u said its in the alsa? i had to load alsa in modules?
[07:06] <Kirsch> ty
[07:06] <bob2> envel: you can't guess?
[07:06] <Kirsch> lol
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> Rebroad:  md5 can be reversed, sha1 can be partly collided.
[07:07] <penguin42> its actually quite the traceroute isn't getting anywher
[07:07] <eruin> I want 300gb ram
[07:07] <bob2> bluefoxicy: um, no, it can't be reversed
[07:07] <hdaag> hi, there's something i'm not getting, i can hear my system sounds, but not my cd player,,, why is this?
[07:07] <bob2> bluefoxicy: no hash function can be reversed in general
[07:07] <Rebroad> bluefoxicy: do you have any references?
[07:07] <icebalm> sighnal: the linux kernel has alsa integrated into it, there is a driver for your chipset
[07:07] <resiak> hdaag: You have no CD audio cable, in all likelihood.
[07:07] <bob2> hdaag: you probably forgot to plug your cd rom into youtr soundcard
[07:07] <sighnal> icebalm: ah. ok. ;)
[07:07] <fejaor> I'm having problems downloading any plug in for mozilla firefox....any help?
[07:07] <InitMass> anyone else who is getting very large fonts and icons in skype after upgrading to hoary?
[07:07] <hdaag> it use to play fine in winblows
[07:08] <blizzo> hi how do you add a new mbox in evolution mail?
[07:08] <lao_v> fejaor: what error do u get?
[07:08] <Rebroad> bob2: anyway, even if MD5 can be reversed, etc. then they'd need to find a replacement to MD5 whether downloading direct or via p2p
[07:08] <Kirsch> fejaor: i've had issues like that, download the actual XPI file, and then try and run it locally by doing file:///path/to/plugin.xpi
[07:08] <thoreauputic> hdaag: try using digital output with xmms or beep-media-player
[07:08] <fab31> is someone skilled in non-graphical things here ?
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  reverse == md5sum -> infinite number of possible combinations -> finite number of collisions in a given data length.
[07:08] <Rebroad> bob2: what is dns poisoning, webserver hacking, etc
[07:08] <bob2> Rebroad: md5 can't be reversed
[07:08] <bob2> Rebroad: sure
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  in other words, I could take your md5 password hash (not salted) and generate about 40 8 character passwords that would validate
[07:08] <bob2> bluefoxicy: ok, whatever that means, md5 still cannot be reversed
[07:09] <Rebroad> bluefoxicy: show me someone who's forged an MD5
[07:09] <deception_inuk> To all: the ubuntu.com issues, are they affecting the repositries? i cant get apt-get to get anything... =(
[07:09] <resiak> bluefoxicy: The whole point of cryptographic hashes is that reversing them is insanely computationally complex.
[07:09] <resiak> hdaag: Sure. That's because a lot of Windows players extract the data, because people don't attach the cable.
[07:09] <thoreauputic> deception_inuk: /topic
[07:09] <Rebroad> bluefoxicy: MD5 is longer than 8 chars
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  the definition of "reverse" is a bit different when talking about hashes :)  You never can get the original input "definitely", just something that hashes to it.
[07:09] <dcraven> fab31, what does non-graphical mean?
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> resiak:  heh.
[07:09] <envel> oh, yes!
[07:09] <fejaor> when I open a page, it appears the logo that area additional plugins to download, I click on installing plugins and it pops up a window that says that firefox is looking for plugins and stays like that forever
[07:09] <envel> it works again
[07:09] <fab31> dcraven: boot process in exemple...
[07:09] <penguin42> deception_inuk: Many of the mirrors are happy
[07:09] <sysrq> this is rather off topic
[07:09] <bob2> bluefoxicy: and I want a pony
[07:10] <hdaag> ic
[07:10] <resiak> bluefoxicy: That wasn't a joke. That's the whole entire point of them.
[07:10] <bob2> bluefoxicy: the entire point of hash functions is that they can't be reversed
[07:10] <bob2> resiak: md5 has been broken to some extent
[07:10] <fejaor> and on the cancel, back and forward buttons....they only appear a cross and a back arrow......doesn't show the text at all
[07:10] <resiak> bob2: I'm aware of that.
[07:10] <dcraven> fab31, best practise is to just ask your question. If someone can help, they'll respond, otherwise they won't :)
[07:10] <Rebroad> MD5 is safe unless someone has proven otherwise
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> (there's a whole whitepaper on reversing CRC32 from like 800 years ago)
[07:10] <deception_inuk> Thanks guys, just wanted to know if it was my system or the repos, tyvm
[07:10] <Rebroad> CRC32 isn't so safe, i know that
[07:10] <bob2> Rebroad: which they have
[07:10] <fab31> dcraven: I asked simple questions and nobody answered... :/
[07:10] <bob2> Rebroad: you can generate collisions in md5
[07:11] <sysrq> deception_inuk: I can't connect either so it's not just you
[07:11] <Rebroad> bob2: what do you mean by collisions?
[07:11] <deception_inuk> sysrq: Ah, ok, thanks =)
[07:11] <fab31> dcraven: for this, I'm surprised that no ubuntu user knows what's "behind"... (at least, here...)
[07:11] <envel> why does windows network neighborhood dissapears after installing and configuring samba? Browsing is not working
[07:11] <N00b> Hi Could there be a prob when ubuntu is dualbooted with winXP
[07:11] <dcraven> fab31, either nobody saw it (very busy channel) or nobody knew the answer. We do our best.
[07:11] <envel> i mean gnome
[07:11] <thoreauputic> fab31: there are 538 people here vying for attention ;)
[07:11] <dj28> N00b, no. works fine. i'm doing it now
[07:11] <hdaag> is there a site like rpm.pbone.net for debian?
[07:11] <bob2> Rebroad: different things that hash to the same md5sum
[07:11] <fab31> =)
[07:11] <fab31> yes, sure it's a busy chan :)
[07:11] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: i don't think they're all awake though :)
[07:11] <bob2> hdaag: you'd need to explain what on earth that is first
[07:12] <N00b> and u didnt do anything spesiall
[07:12] <theBishop> is anyone else having a problem with mp3s?
[07:12] <dcraven> fab31, I can't even keep up half the time.. haha
[07:12] <fejaor> I do
[07:12] <dr_willis> theBishop,  define 'problems' :P
[07:12] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: no, true - I'm not, for one ;-)
[07:12] <smouche> most of us are silent bots
[07:12] <dj28> N00b, ubuntu installs the grub boot loader so you can choose which one to boot in
[07:12] <kro> Can anyone recommend a good program to make a cd label from a jpeg?
[07:12] <theBishop> i installed mpg123, and its still nore working
[07:12] <bob2> theBishop: did you forget to read the FAQ about mp3?
[07:12] <fab31> :)
[07:12] <Rebroad> bob2: but you couldn't produce anything useable that has the same MD5 sum
[07:12] <hdaag> rpm.pbone.net is site where you can easily search for rpm packages etc.. it's really usefull
[07:12] <dj28> N00b, you don't need anything additional
[07:12] <fejaor> I having problems with openning mp3s with my player
[07:12] <theBishop> bob2: probably
[07:12] <bob2> Rebroad: you'd be surprised.
[07:12] <blizzo> Rebroad: sure
[07:12] <bob2> hdaag: why bother when you have apt-cache?
[07:12] <catfox> hi all! i've just installed hoary on my laptop and it's great apart from i'm not sure if the powermanagement it running right?
[07:12] <dcraven> kro, glabels might work for you. I've heard good things.
[07:12] <KeithWeisshar> is the ubuntu dvd iso too big
[07:12] <envel> fejaor, i have the same problem, maybe it's libmpeg2?
[07:12] <bob2> fejaor: you need to explain "player
[07:12] <catfox> my fans are always spining and making noise
[07:13] <bob2> KeithWeisshar: then get the cd iso
[07:13] <individ> guys , got a serious question , how can i change the resolution in tuxracer? :) it doesn't show up in the menus neighter i can run tuxracer with some option
[07:13] <sighnal> icebalm: u know the name of the module? *G*
[07:13] <kro> dcraven: thanks, I'll check it out
[07:13] <KeithWeisshar> why did ubuntu also release a dvd iso for hoary
[07:13] <N00b> thats good to hear, ill install it right away, been looking forward to try this linux thing :) thanx for the help guys...
[07:13] <Rebroad> catfox: what kind of laptop?
[07:13] <fab31> so I try another time: is there a way of desactivating hotplug or similar at startup ? I just did a fresh install and after reboot the kernel segfaults seems to be after hotplug
[07:13] <catfox> Rebroad, acer aspire
[07:13] <bob2> KeithWeisshar: because not all of supported will fit on one CD
[07:13] <Rebroad> bob2: please can you refer me to a webpage saying how to fake MD5s?
[07:13] <fejaor> when I try to open a mp3, my player displays an error saying that I need a special plugin
[07:13] <bob2> fab31: not in a useful way.  why would you want to disable it.,
[07:13] <bob2> fab31: ?
[07:13] <KeithWeisshar> i have an ibm aptiva 2153-e3n, will ubuntu work on this machine
[07:13] <dcraven> individ, does tuxracer have a man page?
[07:13] <fejaor> that happens with the video, as well
[07:13] <fab31> bob2: to prevent sefault
[07:13] <icebalm> sighnal: what was your chipset again?
[07:13] <bob2> fejaor: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, when it comes back
[07:13] <dcraven> dcraven, I don't have it installed.
[07:14] <bob2> fab31: er, hotplug segfaults?  sure your ram is ok?
[07:14] <envel> fejaor, for video install libxine
[07:14] <fab31> I think the segfaults appears after a module loading...
[07:14] <sighnal> icebalm: c-media CMI9880
[07:14] <Rebroad> KeithWeisshar: install it and see
[07:14] <individ> dcraven, sure , but nothing about changin the resolution
[07:14] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: yeah, right - info on cracking md5 on a public channel - I don't think so
[07:14] <guru3> so what's happened to the website/apt servers then?
[07:14] <mjr> individ, you need to edit the conf file in ~/.tuxracer
[07:14] <fab31> bob2: brand new computer, no problems with other oses
[07:14] <bob2> thoreauputic: er, it's very well known
[07:14] <mjr> (yeah, not friendly)
[07:14] <individ> mjr, woot , thanks
[07:14] <bob2> fab31: I'd run memtest86 for a day
[07:14] <penguin42> bob2: It doesn't look like the machine is actually down - it seems to be routing; some places can still get to it - some places aren't even able to traceroute from their isp at all
[07:14] <hdaag> bob2 see i didn't know about that.
[07:14] <blizzo> Rebroad: http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000662.html
[07:14] <fab31> ok, I do it and I return
[07:14] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: I'm sure it would be googleable if it were possible...
[07:15] <mjr> I think that's fixed in ppracer, a tuxracer fork that's actually developed a bit
[07:15] <dcraven> fab31, you can blacklist the offending module in /etc/hotplug/blacklist I think.
[07:15] <catfox> any ideas, anyone?
[07:15] <bob2> hdaag: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, when it comes back
[07:15] <Rebroad> blizzo: thanks
[07:15] <fab31> dcraven: I can't boot
[07:15] <individ> mjr, goody it shows up :)
[07:15] <queuetue> back up, if everyone doesn't already know.
[07:15] <dcraven> fab31, oops.
[07:15] <KeithWeisshar> does debian have more packages than ubuntu
[07:15] <venkman> how come my ipod quit working and in my messages log i get stuff like khub timed out
[07:15] <hdaag> thanks
[07:15] <jinXKat> doh
[07:15] <bob2> KeithWeisshar: about the same
[07:15] <KeithWeisshar> is ubuntu compatible with debian packages
[07:15] <fab31> and I don't know which module exactly...
[07:15] <bob2> venkman: did you update your kernel?
[07:15] <fejaor> and what's the right plugin for mp3s??
[07:15] <icerogue> any suggestions on how to get hoary to receive dhcp?
[07:15] <bob2> KeithWeisshar: if you have to ask, don't try it
[07:15] <dcraven> fab31, if all else fails, chroot in from a boot disc and blacklist the bugger.
[07:16] <venkman> bob2: when i went back to 2.6.10-4 it worked fien
[07:16] <bob2> fejaor: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:16] <bob2> venkman: then use that kernel
[07:16] <dcraven> fab31, or mount the drive anyway...
[07:16] <icebalm> sighnal: hmm, not off the top of my head, look at the help for the cmi drivers you see, it may have been integrated into one of those, it doesn't look like it was a major change to include support with it, it's mostly AC97
[07:16] <venkman> bob2, or figure out why 2.6.10-5 is odd
[07:16] <bob2> venkman: surwe
[07:16] <jordanau> anyone having nount display problems in gnome, is a bug or a feature?
[07:17] <jordanau> nount/mount
[07:17] <bob2> "nount"?
[07:17] <eruin> nount?
[07:17] <bob2> "mount display"?
[07:17] <dcraven> nount?
[07:17] <dcraven> heh
[07:17] <eruin> everything other than my cd has disappeared from the computer:/// screen if that's what you're talking about
[07:17] <fejaor> what about my problem with the plugins for firefox??
[07:17] <jordanau> note to self, to get something anwered on irc... spell it really wrong
[07:17] <icebalm> hah
[07:17] <sighnal> icebalm: hmm. alsa start loaded "Intel 810 + AC97 Audio"
[07:17] <dcraven> fejaor, which plugin?
[07:18] <bob2> fejaor: you're being way too vague
[07:18] <jordanau> eruin, exactly i have floppy filesystem and floppy (no windows partition)
[07:18] <icebalm> sighnal: sounds right
[07:18] <InitMass> skype look ugly after the upgrade. how do i get the icons and fonts smaller again?
[07:18] <bob2> jordanau: or just actually ask a question someone can anser
[07:18] <fejaor> I think is a video plugin....this happens
[07:18] <eruin> yeah, annoying stuff :P
[07:18] <fab31> I can't know which module it is
[07:18] <fejaor> when I open a page, it appears the logo that area additional plugins to download, I click on installing plugins and it pops up a window that says that firefox is looking for plugins and stays like that forever
[07:18] <alterim_> hey
[07:18] <alterim_> i'm back!
[07:18] <fejaor> and on the cancel, back and forward buttons....they only appear a cross and a back arrow......doesn't show the text at all
[07:18] <alterim_> ok is anyone following my xvid thing
[07:18] <choichoi> lo
[07:18] <fab31> and it's the first ubuntu start, install isn't finished...
[07:18] <alterim_> i tried gstreamer-ffmpeg, it didn't work, video was jumpy
[07:18] <bob2> Rebroad: http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000662.html
[07:18] <sighnal> icebalm: hm. but it dont work :)
[07:18] <jordanau> bob2, take it easy, just a joke :-)
[07:19] <bob2> Rebroad: if you use it for malicious purposes, you will be beaten
[07:19] <alterim_> i have just installed totem-xine, but now xvid plays but with no sound
[07:19] <icebalm> sighnal: did you unmute the channels?
[07:19] <bob2> alterim_: just use mplayer
[07:19] <alterim_> how do i get the sound?
[07:19] <sighnal> icebalm: with alsamixer?
[07:19] <alterim_> the video is perfect
[07:19] <dcraven> fejaor, install the mozilla-mplayer package to play embedded video.
[07:19] <icebalm> sighnal: with anything
[07:19] <fab31> can I get an interactive module loading which asks before asking ?
[07:19] <dcraven> fejaor, it's in multi/universe I think.
[07:19] <InitMass> bob2, you don't happen to have any answer to my question do you?
[07:19] <venkman> can you use jack as the new soundserver for gnome?
[07:19] <sighnal> icebalm: alsamixer says: function snc_ctl_open failed for default: no such file or dir.
[07:19] <bob2> fab31: that should not be neccessary.  edit /etc/modules, but be aware disabling hotplug can have serious repurcussions.
[07:19] <fab31> or simply blacklist while hotplug ?
[07:19] <bob2> venkman: no
[07:19] <samuel> hello all, does anyone know what package to use to play realplayer streams?
[07:19] <jordanau> dcraven, thank you so much again for helping me a couple of days ago
[07:19] <venkman> bob2: why
[07:20] <bob2> samuel: you need realplayer
[07:20] <alterim_> bob2
[07:20] <dcraven> jordanau, anytime ;)
[07:20] <bob2> venkman: why cant I use this can of baked beans as a gnome sound server?
[07:20] <alterim_> any idea why totem-xine plays my xvids with no sound?
[07:20] <fab31> bob2: how can I know which module causes the prolem ?
[07:20] <bob2> venkman: (no one has ported gnome to use baked beans)
[07:20] <bob2> alterim_: no, use mplayer
[07:20] <fab31> I turned VERBOSE=yes and see the kernel panic
[07:20] <fab31> before that it was just a hang
[07:20] <dcraven> samuel, there is a realplayer package.
[07:20] <bob2> InitMass: never bothered to use skype, #kubuntu might know more
[07:20] <jordanau> dcraven, you motivated me to answer a bunch of o reply posts on ubuntuforums (which is probably bad) :D
[07:21] <jordanau> o/0
[07:21] <bob2> samuel: read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats when the wiki comes back
[07:21] <InitMass> bob2, i'll try that. tack
[07:21] <samuel> bob2, i remember using totem b4 4 real - any idea what happened to that?
[07:21] <individ> anyone knows where to download warcraft3 for linux?
[07:21] <scorpix> what program is good for translating the ubuntuguide.org?
[07:21] <icebalm> sighnal: got me man, the rc2 changelog says support was added
[07:21] <bob2> samuel: maybe it does some terrible windows-dll-loading-hack thing
[07:21] <sysrq> individ: there is no native port
[07:21] <dcraven> jordanau, doesn't sound bad at all :). Maybe you could help some in here too, I can hardly read the messages because they go by do quickly. lol
[07:21] <bob2> individ: I really doubt it exists
[07:21] <venkman> bob: but gstreamer has a jack plugin
[07:21] <individ> bob2, yes it does
[07:22] <sighnal> icebalm: *g*
[07:22] <bob2> venkman: that's nice
[07:22] <individ> bob2, just haftue find it
[07:22] <dcraven> individ, probably Blizzard.com.
[07:22] <alterim_> i needed w32 codecs :)
[07:22] <bob2> individ: er, how do you know it exists?
[07:22] <samuel> dcraven, bob2 thx
[07:22] <bob2> venkman: I'm 99% certain gnome doesn't use gstreamer for everything yet
[07:22] <alterim_> w32codecs + totem-xine is the way to play xvid :D
[07:22] <eruin> individ: it doesn't exist. the onyl way you can play warcraft III on linux is through cedega.
[07:22] <dcraven> individ, I thought warcraft3 only worked in wine.
[07:22] <jordanau> dcraven, i'll try, i can only answer newb questions, (which is good cause the hard problems should be left to y'all
[07:22] <individ> bob2, i heard people are playing it :)
[07:22] <bob2> mplayer is so much less hassle
[07:22] <alterim_> i like totem
[07:22] <bob2> individ: I'm pretty sure peopel saying that are confused or lying
[07:22] <sysrq> individ: perhaps they are playing it through wine or cedega
[07:22] <jordanau> individ, they are using cedega probably
[07:22] <individ> dcraven, oh silly me yep with wine
[07:23] <envel> gstreamer-mad is a way to play mp3s
[07:23] <dcraven> jordanau, well there are lots of those too. Just jump in when you see something doable. heh
[07:23] <bob2> Web site stuff seems to be back.
[07:23] <bob2> envel: no, it's not
[07:23] <bob2> envel: gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:23] <individ> jordanau, but wine can work without windows? nope
[07:23] <envel> bob2, aha:)
[07:23] <fejaor> I can't find mozilla-mplayer
[07:23] <bob2> individ: sure it can work without windows
[07:23] <dcraven> individ, it still requires the official Warcraft3 though. You can't download it (legally).
[07:23] <Fator_Dee> individ: that's the whole point
[07:23] <eruin> fejaor: it's mplayerplug-in
[07:23] <SavvyPlayer> so what's the timeline for breezy going online?
[07:23] <scorpix> what program is good for translating the ubuntuguide.org?
[07:23] <jordanau> individ, yeah it doesnt use windows
[07:24] <bob2> fejaor: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in the multiverse repository
[07:24] <jordanau> individ, go to www.transgaming.org
[07:24] <envel> bob2, how to configure windows network browsing? it doesn't work after installing and configuring samba
[07:24] <individ> dcraven,  still i got to have the dll right?
[07:24] <bob2> SavvyPlayer: when the ubuntu team sober up
[07:24] <individ> jordanau, ok
[07:24] <dcraven> individ, I thought that was the purpose of wine... For people without windows.
[07:24] <SavvyPlayer> :)
[07:24] <bob2> SavvyPlayer: seriously, it's been like 24 hours, chill out until monday
[07:24] <bob2> scorpix: no need to keep repeating over and over, #ubuntu-doc
[07:24] <dcraven> individ, I dunno what dll you are talking about, so I don't know.
[07:24] <eruin> dcraven: stop cussing!
[07:25] <eruin> "dll" :o
[07:25] <dcraven> haha
[07:25] <rijad> hi there, can i get some help with my new ubuntu-system?
[07:25] <jordanau> this forum needs to somehow have any line ending in a question mark get highlighted
[07:25] <dcraven> eruin, sorry ;(
[07:25] <eruin> I forgive you ;)
[07:25] <SavvyPlayer> breezy was up yesterday morning, but went offline shortly after the slashdotting
[07:25] <jordanau> rijad, whats up?
[07:25] <bob2> rijad: just ask
[07:25] <individ> eruin, haha , but the older versions of wine needed them
[07:25] <flipy> when browsing in a windows partition sometimes i get a (invalid encoding)
[07:25] <bob2> jordanau: no, that would be terrible obnoxious
[07:25] <omar> hello
[07:25] <bob2> jordanau: and you can configure your client to do that if you care and think it will help you answer other people's questions better
[07:25] <omar> y need the hoary repositories
[07:26] <envel> why does firefox have a blue icon in ubuntu instead of yellow in official distribution?
[07:26] <eruin> someone should force slashdot off the web
[07:26] <jordanau> bob2, i might try...
[07:26] <dr_willis> rijad,  sure. :P but you may want to check  http://ubuntuguide.org/   and be sure to bookmark it :P
[07:26] <RatherD> is it just me or you can't install mplayer in 5.04
[07:26] <eruin> envel: because mozilla apparently won't let ubuntu use official artwork
[07:26] <bob2> envel: mozilla has bizaar trademark rules
[07:26] <thoreauputic> envel: trademark issues with moz foundation I think
[07:26] <omar> please
[07:26] <sysrq> RatherD: read the ubuntuguide
[07:26] <omar> y need the repositories
[07:26] <omar> to hoary
[07:26] <bob2> RatherD: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedHowto
[07:26] <SavvyPlayer> uninstall mozilla --- use firefox only
[07:26] <bob2> no, do not read "the ubuntuguide", it gives people bad advice
[07:27] <bob2> or maybe people just don't actually read it properly
[07:27] <RatherD> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:27] <RatherD>   mplayer-k6: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[07:27] <RatherD>               Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[07:27] <RatherD> E: Broken packages
[07:27] <bob2> RatherD: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:27] <dr_willis> i think the wiki is down for now.
[07:27] <sysrq> bob2: on what topics?
[07:27] <dhonn> i wish firefox's interface was just as fast as mozilla
[07:27] <jinXKat> F: try something else eh eh
[07:27] <bob2> sysrq: at least on "adding repositories"
[07:27] <dcraven> RatherD, do you have non-ubuntu sources in your sources.list?
[07:27] <omar> Unpacking samba (from .../samba_3.0.10-1ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[07:27] <omar> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.10-1ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:27] <omar>  unable to stat `./usr/share/man' (which I was about to install): Input/output error
[07:27] <omar> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:27] <omar> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:27] <rijad> well my problem is that i don't know how to install drivers for mu hardware... ex Wificard and soundcard
[07:27] <omar>  /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.10-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[07:27] <omar> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:27] <dr_willis> dhonn,  go get a light minimal theme for it  perhaps.
[07:27] <omar> root@blackhole:~#
[07:27] <ciocanel> RatherD, check your sources.list too
[07:27] <bob2> omar: dude, do not paste stuff in here
[07:27] <omar> what is the error ?
[07:27] <yfir> omar: not here, please
[07:27] <jordanau> omar www.pastebin.com
[07:27] <RatherD> dcraven, I have all the sources from ubuntu forums
[07:27] <zenwhen> bob2, do you have any specific examples of "bad advice" that the ubuntuguide provides?
[07:27] <jinXKat> you guys can flood all right
[07:27] <dcraven> Why do people keep flooking the channel?
[07:27] <sysrq> bob2: ah, as far as them recommending using synaptic or whatever they say instead of editing it yourse?f
[07:28] <bob2> RatherD: a) ignore the forums.  b) that package appears to be broken.
[07:28] <jinXKat> dcraven: flooding
[07:28] <dhonn> its not really that dr_willis, its that mozilla is written with XUL and GTK+
[07:28] <rijad> (new to ubuntu/linux)
[07:28] <bob2> omar: also, your disk is screwed
[07:28] <RatherD> bob2, sorry i mean ubuntuguide
[07:28] <thoreauputic> dcraven: because they don't know any better
[07:28] <GhostFreeman> I think we need to split the channel
[07:28] <bigboote> Is archive.ubuntu.com down?
[07:28] <dhonn> mozilla firefox is written in XUL+GTK+ i mean
[07:28] <bob2> bigboote: no
[07:28] <RatherD> any idea how to get mplayer in or is it just broken?
[07:28] <omar> http://pastebin.com/269298
[07:28] <bob2> bigboote: it was a little whlie ago
[07:28] <bob2> dhonn: it uses GDK, not GTK
[07:28] <omar> what is the error ?
[07:28] <bob2> RatherD: install mplayer-386
[07:28] <jinXKat> ha ha bigboote gee what movie is that from
[07:28] <GhostFreeman> ubuntu-gd for general discussion
[07:28] <spanglesontoast> how do i get azureus off aptitude
[07:28] <dhonn> u sure?
[07:28] <bob2> omar: your disk is sscrewed, sorry
[07:29] <jordanau> GhostFreeman, i dunno i don't exactly like what it did to #python
[07:29] <bob2> dhonn: yes
[07:29] <RatherD> mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[07:29] <RatherD>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[07:29] <RatherD> E: Broken packages
[07:29] <SavvyPlayer> i've upgraded from debian sid, is there a good reason i should reinstall ubuntu hoary from the gold release?
[07:29] <dhonn> gtk isnt a compile option?
[07:29] <dcraven> RatherD, that doesn't mean they are ubuntu sources... Comment all of your sources except ubuntu main, restricted, universe,and multiverse. Then mplayer will install.
[07:29] <bigboote> jinXKat: laugh while you can, monkeyboy
[07:29] <jinXKat> ha ha
[07:29] <omar> sscrewed??
[07:29] <jinXKat> bigboote: ilove that movie
[07:29] <zenwhen> GhostFreeman, people are free to discuss general non support related things in #ubuntuforums
[07:29] <GhostFreeman> hmm
[07:29] <FreezerX> Does someone know a guide for installing codecs like divx or xvid? I ve got an avi file that cant be played by totem. Or should I take mplayer instead?
[07:29] <dcraven> RatherD, you probably have merrilat or whatever in your sources.list.
[07:29] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:29] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: it's just a little crazy since the Hoary announcement
[07:29] <GhostFreeman> that works
[07:29] <bob2> dhonn: no idea, but it doesn't use gtk widgets, anyway
[07:29] <RatherD> dcraven, I do
[07:29] <bob2> omar: yes, your disk is broken, sorry
[07:29] <rosco> hi guys
[07:29] <picochu> hi guys i need help with my system. I'm not getting any sound from my audigy soundcard
[07:29] <bob2> RatherD: then get rid of them
[07:29] <omar> bob2,
[07:29] <omar> :O
[07:29] <dhonn> its hybrid gtk and xul
[07:29] <omar> mi ubuntu 5.04 disk ?
[07:29] <dcraven> RatherD, comment it out at least until you install mplayer from multiverse.
[07:29] <bob2> FreezerX: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:30] <bob2> omar: your physical hard disk
[07:30] <rosco> I have another problem with my ubunt: I upgraded this morning and cannot listen to mp3 anymore (totem)
[07:30] <spanglesontoast> how do i get azureus off aptitude??????????
[07:30] <omar> that not true
[07:30] <FreezerX> bob2, thanks
[07:30] <omar> :O
[07:30] <bigboote> hmm, can't connect to archive.ubuntu.com for some reason.
[07:30] <dhonn> i wish it was more native to linux
[07:30] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: you don't!
[07:30] <dcraven> RatherD, don't forget to update after you comment it out.
[07:30] <flipy> is there any page to see all the charsets?
[07:30] <andrewski> what's that nice command to add/change init.d services?
[07:30] <bob2> spanglesontoast: please stop being so terribly annoying
[07:30] <haha> i need help with my quetion.. where is eciipse repository??
[07:30] <bob2> bigboote: wait and try again in a bit
[07:30] <struggler> bigbiit: me either
[07:30] <bob2> andrewski: rcconf
[07:30] <spanglesontoast> well tell me then
[07:30] <andrewski> spanglesontoast: what's the problem?
[07:30] <andrewski> bob2: thanks!
[07:31] <bob2> haha: did you search the wiki?
[07:31] <dr_willis> 'get azurus off' -> means?
[07:31] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, I don't think it's on the Ubuntu repos.
[07:31] <andrewski> bob2: hmm, nothing available.
[07:31] <bob2> rosco: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:31] <haha> bob2, hmm a little
[07:31] <dhonn> on the ff website "This application requires GTK+ version 2.2.x. Other dependencies include:
[07:31] <dhonn> GTK+/XFT"
[07:31] <andrewski> spanglesontoast: don't be so demanding or you won't get any help. :P
[07:31] <yfir> rosco: if your mp3 player worked under Warty but not now with Hoary, check that it is configured to use esd
[07:31] <bob2> haha: try again
[07:31] <rosco> bob2: did someone changed in the mp3 management ?
[07:31] <spanglesontoast> well where would be the best place to put the extract then?
[07:31] <rosco> bob2: did someTHING changed in the mp3 management ?
[07:31] <bob2> dhonn: ok, I'm wrong, but it doesn't use the widgets
[07:31] <bob2> rosco: no
[07:32] <picochu> guys, i need help here. I'm not getting sound from my system
[07:32] <andrewski> bob2: i only have rc-alert and rcp
[07:32] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, what is an extract?
[07:32] <bob2> andrewski: did you install it?
[07:32] <jordanau> spanglesontoast, wherever you want have you read their install info?
[07:32] <spanglesontoast> you know i have a the tar
[07:32] <bob2> picochu: you don't need to ask over and over, once is plenty
[07:32] <andrewski> bob2: IIRC i didn't have to before.  there was another command to add/remove services from runlevels.
[07:32] <spanglesontoast> I just want to know if i should move it?
[07:32] <bob2> andrewski: update-rc.d?
[07:32] <picochu> bob2 i only asked twice. it's not over and over
[07:32] <andrewski> bob2: yes, that's it.  thanks.
[07:32] <bob2> picochu: ok then!
[07:32] <rosco> bob2: I don't have gstreamer in my synaptic...
[07:33] <jordanau> spanglesontoast, where is it?
[07:33] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, anywhere you like I'd imagine. I'd visit their website for install details as it's not an Ubuntu thing so it appears.
[07:33] <rosco> bob2: I don't have gstreamer-mad in my synaptic...
[07:33] <andrewski> spanglesontoast: it's not in apt?
[07:33] <root____99> can someone help me im having trouble switching from the orinoco drivers to the hostap drivers for my wireless card.  right now i need to run modprobe -r orinoco_cs but it says module in use
[07:33] <bob2> rosco: gstreamer0.80-mad
[07:33] <bob2> rosco: you need to read carefully
[07:33] <jordanau> andrewski, you run it in java
[07:33] <andrewski> jordanau: ah, ok.
[07:33] <bob2> root____99: did you take the interface down?
[07:33] <zenwhen> bob2, may I PM you to ask a quick channel related question?
[07:33] <spanglesontoast> nope
[07:33] <yfir> everyone should probably thank bob2 for answering every question posted here.... :)
[07:33] <bob2> zenwhen: ok
[07:33] <dcraven> Thanks bob2!
[07:33] <rosco> bob2: I did, I don't have this package. I think something has messed my depot before the upgrade
[07:33] <bob2> yfir: no, I just get flamed for missing some of them
[07:34] <andrewski> thanks (again) bob2 :P
[07:34] <bob2> rosco: ok...
[07:34] <bigboote> still no archive.ubuntu.com
[07:34] <jordanau> bob2, thank you :D
[07:34] <Dethread> anyone else having trouble connecting to archive.ubuntu.com?
[07:34] <dcraven> Dethread, yes. It might be broken.
[07:34] <jordanau> Dethread, i think everyone is
[07:34] <Dethread> :(
[07:34] <Dethread> thanks
[07:34] <root____99> ive run /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop
[07:34] <struggler> Dethread:no archive for me either
[07:34] <jordanau> dcraven, i am doing well!! this is addicting
[07:35] <dcraven> jordanau, you are, and it is :)
[07:35] <jordanau> dcraven, its also a good way to learn linux i am finding out
[07:35] <chandler> howdy. is there a kernel for ubuntu on amd64 that (a) isn't 2.6.10 (which has a major bug) and (b) has the restricted modules, including wlan?
[07:35] <kro> dcraven: glabels rules, thanks!
[07:35] <Lagman> #ubuntu-ru
[07:36] <bob2> chandler: warty's kernel was 2.6.8.1
[07:36] <jinXKat> hmm for all those ircing as r00t, good job
[07:36] <dcraven> kro, cool. You're welcome.
[07:36] <bob2> chandler: but is this "major bug"?
[07:36] <kro> I ran glabels, and instantly got it to do what I want.
[07:36] <fgx> ogra, mmm, after "locale en_US.UTF-8", locale still says en_US. same trying it_IT.utf8
[07:36] <bob2> bigboote: yes, it's down, someone is looking ito it
[07:36] <dcraven> kro, yeah I've heard it's a nice little app.
[07:36] <ogra> fgx, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:36] <jinXKat> chandler: time to custom compile your own kernel there buddy
[07:37] <fgx> ogra, ok ill try
[07:37] <ogra> fgx, and make sure you have the matching lang pack installed
[07:37] <kro> dcraven: it's cool, I'm using avidemux to grab a frame, exporting to a jpeg, and then printing that out on label and placing it on my vcd.
[07:37] <jordanau> yeah i just found out about gdesklets those look awesome
[07:37] <chandler> bob2: hold on, I'm digging up a reference. there's a bug in the way the kernel handles traps that prevents SBCL from running
[07:37] <dcraven> kro, nice!
[07:37] <spanglesontoast> where should i place most excuted programs with their own dirs?
[07:37] <d> Hi!
[07:37] <moj0rising> I made a big mistake (unknowingly) -- I upgraded to hoary with backports installed.
[07:37] <kro> and I've recently mastered converting avi files to mpeg1
[07:37] <bob2> chandler: I'd be pretty impressed if the kernel had a bug which broke SBCL
[07:38] <bob2> moj0rising: purge them, then install ubuntu-desktop
[07:38] <moj0rising> I checked the forums and what they suggest is not helping.
[07:38] <etzerd> hello everyone
[07:38] <jordanau> spanglesontoast, i have mine in home
[07:38] <etzerd> ?
[07:38] <chandler> bob2: well, then, be impressed: http://www.caddr.com/macho/archives/sbcl-devel/2005-1/4536.html
[07:38] <moj0rising> bob2, yes...
[07:38] <bob2> and this is reason #2131 not to use the bloody broken-ass backports
[07:38] <jordanau> spanglesontoast, its up to you
[07:38] <moj0rising> I tried that...
[07:38] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, I typically make a ~/bin directory and symlink in there after I add it to my $PATH.
[07:38] <bob2> moj0rising: and...
[07:38] <choichoi> some body speak french here ?
[07:38] <moj0rising> apt-show-versions -i; apt-show-versions -b | grep warty-backports
[07:38] <chandler> bob2: 2.6.9 is OK, 2.6.11 is OK too
[07:38] <moj0rising> says apt-show-versios is no a command
[07:38] <chandler> I suppose I can download warty and use it instead of hoary
[07:38] <spanglesontoast> how do i do that dcraven
[07:38] <samuel> ok... ive got realplayer10 installed. it says something about a configuration assistan on first run, but the realplayer process goes zombie (i dont even know what that means) whats the deal?
[07:39] <choichoi> y a des francais ?
[07:39] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, which part?
[07:39] <Nekohayo> choichoi, #ubuntu-fr
[07:39] <etzerd> everytime I'm on the net playing a video the whole system is crash then I have to reboot manualy. any advice
[07:39] <d> Anybody else noticed multiverse Mplayer doesn't play DVDs? Sound decoding problems. Xine does work but is jerky. Can I fix Mplayer by installing package x?
[07:39] <spanglesontoast> well i've created a bin
[07:39] <bob2> moj0rising: then install it, of course
[07:39] <choichoi> Nekohayo, on freenode ?
[07:39] <spanglesontoast> after that
[07:39] <Nekohayo> oui
[07:39] <bob2> d: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:39] <moj0rising> haha.
[07:39] <etzerd> the problem is Mplayer
[07:39] <jordanau> spanglesontoast, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/
[07:39] <bob2> d: then install libdvdcss2
[07:39] <moj0rising> Y didn't think of that?
[07:39] <sighnal> please make sure if your distribution includes alsa-lib 1.0.8, if not please install alsa-lib 1.0.8 to support software volume control
[07:39] <Fator_Dee> if I want to reconfigure my xorg.conf not to use direct rendering, can I do it somehow automatically?
[07:39] <sighnal> hm.l
[07:40] <moj0rising> OK, Bob2..
[07:40] <sighnal> hm.
[07:40] <sighnal> whats installed in 5.04?
[07:40] <moj0rising> so I run the line I showed you above...
[07:40] <chandler> bob2: so, anyway, is there a good option for getting something !2.6.10 without scrapping the effort I've put into this hoary install? "compile my own" is probably lowest on my priority list, unless there's a decent way of doing that
[07:40] <bob2> Fator_Dee: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:40] <moj0rising> ...and them apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[07:40] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, make a symlink in there (assuming you didn't install the app directly in that directory) like this "ln -s /path/to/your/executable ~/bin/execname"
[07:40] <bob2> chandler: using warty's kernel, I guess
[07:40] <Fator_Dee> bob2: thanks, but I assume you mean xserver-xorg
[07:40] <spanglesontoast> ok ty
[07:40] <chandler> bob2: so temporarily add warty to my sources list?
[07:40] <bob2> chandler: but it would have been great if someone had actually told the ubuntu kernel team about that bug 2 months ago when it was found
[07:41] <bob2> Fator_Dee: right
[07:41] <bob2> chandler: yeah
[07:41] <etzerd> how do I install Realplayer? anyone can help me
[07:41] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, then to add it to your $PATH, do this "export PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH""
[07:41] <fgx> ogra, i have locales i need. but can't switch to en_US.utf8 or it_IT.utf8. is "locale en_US.utf8" the right cmd?
[07:41] <spanglesontoast> ok
[07:41] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, to make it part of your path at each session, add that export command to your ~/.bashrc file.
[07:42] <mjr> fgx, no, it's not. Choose the locale you want from the gdm login screen, it's the easiest way
[07:42] <moj0rising> bob2, I know you're getting inundated right now, but could you check what I just typed and let me know if that is what I need to do?>
[07:42] <pmjdebruijn> hi all i'm having a kernel issue
[07:42] <chandler> bob2: well, that would have been up to one of the linux maintainers for sbcl, I guess
[07:42] <thundrcleeze> etzerd, it's on ubuntuguide.org
[07:42] <spanglesontoast> ok fair enough ty dcraven
[07:42] <ogra> fgx, nope, you do it on the login screen normally
[07:42] <bob2> etzerd: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:42] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, no sweat.
[07:42] <d> I've got libdvdcss2 installed. Xine plays DVDs, multiverse MPlayer crashes with some audio decoding/memory error
[07:42] <bob2> moj0rising: purge anything from the backports project, yes
[07:42] <thundrcleeze> My sound has ceased to work after I upgraded to hoary.  Any ideas where I should start?
[07:43] <ogra> fgx, if you only want to test it in a terminal: export LC_ALL=it_IT.UTF-8
[07:43] <bob2> chandler: or a user who knew about it, yeah
[07:43] <moj0rising> All right. Thanks for your help
[07:43] <d> problem is xine is jerky so I want Mplayer without compiling 2 billion libraries
[07:43] <moj0rising> !
[07:43] <pmjdebruijn> i'm getting some warnings, i had with RHEL 4 too, but they fixed it... does ubuntu have a bugzilla? the main page is down...
[07:43] <jordanau> thundrcleeze, there are a lot of forum topics on that
[07:43] <FreezerX> No pages can be loaded from ubuntulinux.org. Is the server down?
[07:43] <bob2> FreezerX: no
[07:44] <chandler> bob2: this is the first time I've run into it; I just got this amd64 machine
[07:44] <bob2> pmjdebruijn: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:44] <fgx> ogra, mjg59,  ok. thanks for your help
[07:44] <theine> bob2, but under very heavy load i guess...
[07:45] <pmjdebruijn> bob2: right, figures... :s
[07:45] <moj0rising> bob2, apt will not let me install anything.
[07:45] <bob2> FreezerX: they've been up and down this evening
[07:45] <moj0rising> unmet dependencies.
[07:45] <pmjdebruijn> hmmm crap buzilla is down too... :(
[07:45] <bob2> moj0rising: no, that's not a correct description
[07:45] <jordanau> moj0rising, everyone is having that problem
[07:45] <bob2> moj0rising: paste the actual output to #flood
[07:45] <d> The marillat version of mplayer doesn't install under ubuntu- is it compile Mplayer from scratch for DVD support or nothing then
[07:45] <FreezerX> ok, still waiting ... :-)
[07:45] <moj0rising> ok..
[07:45] <jordanau> moj0rising, nevermind i am talking out of my ass
[07:45] <thundrcleeze> jordanau, seeing as the site is under heavy load and I can't get the site to load, any ideas where to start?
[07:45] <dcraven> d, use the one in multiverse. Comment out the merrilat source in the meantime.
[07:46] <theine> d: did you try the mplayer package from the multiverse repository?
[07:46] <jordanau> thundrcleeze, www.ubuntuforums.org is under heavy load?
[07:46] <d> dcraven: as i said, the multiverse mplayer won't play DVDs- audio decoding error crashes it
[07:46] <Cute> hey yo,
[07:46] <thundrcleeze> Well, maybe not, but the main site is.
[07:46] <bob2> FreezerX: www.ubuntulinux.org seems to work
[07:46] <dcraven> d, pardon me. I missed that.
[07:46] <Cute> Hi,
[07:47] <moj0rising> haha. you're fine, jordanau
[07:47] <jordanau> thundrcleeze, try www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:47] <spanglesontoast> craven get problems
[07:47] <Cute> Anybody here ?
[07:47] <thundrcleeze> I just did, thanks
[07:47] <theine> d: what cpu do you have?
[07:47] <moj0rising> it's there, bob2
[07:47] <bob2> no, pointing peopel at the forums is not a useful substitute for them reading the wik
[07:47] <thundrcleeze> Cute, 541 people are here. :)
[07:47] <bob2> i
[07:47] <dcraven> thundrcleeze, run "alsamixer" to make sure your channels aren't muted or turned down too low.
[07:47] <moj0rising> I had to type is as x does not work on the other pc now.
[07:47] <bob2> the forums is full of terrible advice
[07:47] <d> Athlon XP 2000- more than god enuff for DVD playback
[07:47] <dcraven> Cute, 500+ people is all.
[07:47] <Cute> ah ok, I got it,
[07:47] <flipy> how can i rerun grubconf to detect my windows xp?
[07:47] <bob2> moj0rising: no, that's not a useful error message, you need to show us the whole thing
[07:47] <flipy> it isn't show on grub at boot right no
[07:47] <thundrcleeze> no0tic, I checked that, they're not.
[07:48] <moj0rising> hm..
[07:48] <Draucon> anyone having trouble with the repositories?
[07:48] <moj0rising> trying to figure out how to do that.
[07:48] <jordanau> thundrcleeze, search hoary sound on the forums your not alone :)
[07:48] <bob2> Draucon: yes, lots of people, wait for a bit
[07:48] <thundrcleeze> er.. dcraven --^
[07:48] <FreezerX> bob2, I get an operation time out when attempting to contact ubuntulinux.org
[07:48] <moj0rising> X does not work on the messed up PC.
[07:48] <deepsight> any hoary that can run dcgui-qt?
[07:48] <Draucon> ok just making sure it wasn't me
[07:48] <theine> moj0rising: so what dependencies are unresolved?
[07:48] <bob2> FreezerX: yes, they're up and down
[07:49] <dcraven> thundrcleeze, the correct modules are loaded? "lsmod | grep snd" assuming alsa.
[07:49] <bob2> deepsight: just install it, it's in universe
[07:49] <Draucon> how about xmms i tried installing it but it always hangs when i try playing something
[07:49] <deepsight> bob2, yes i have it but its messed up
[07:49] <bob2> deepsight: can you be more vague?
[07:49] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, I'm not sure what I should be looking for.
[07:49] <d> Anyone know of a repository for ubuntu with musepack? rarewares doesn't work with ubuntu it seems
[07:50] <bob2> deepsight: or explain what "messed up" means?
[07:50] <deepsight> bob2, maybe
[07:50] <deepsight> :P
[07:50] <deepsight> wait
[07:50] <SuperLag> bob2: it doesn't work! >:)
[07:50] <crimsun> Draucon: select the esound output plugin for xmms
[07:50] <Anakron> hey
[07:50] <dcraven> thundrcleeze, does that command produce output at all?
[07:50] <bob2> is musepack that silly proprietary lossless format?
[07:50] <moj0rising> theine, lots.
[07:50] <d> Why isn't the musepack decoder in multiverse?
[07:50] <jordanau> Anakron, hi
[07:50] <xmorph> is there a mirror list available?
[07:50] <thundrcleeze> yes, dcraven, should I paste it in #flood?
[07:50] <crimsun> bob2: musepack is now completely opensource (LGPL and BSD)
[07:50] <Anakron> can i play games of windows in linux with wine, really?
[07:50] <moj0rising> OK. I sent the output to a text file. Now I'm trying to move it to this PC..
[07:50] <wezzer-> some of the games might work
[07:50] <jordanau> Anakron, cedega
[07:51] <Anakron> mm
[07:51] <dcraven> thundrcleeze, no. If there is output then you are probably okay in that department.
[07:51] <xmorph> ^
[07:51] <Draucon> thanks Crimsun
[07:51] <theine> moj0rising, since when do you have these unresolved dependencies?
[07:51] <bob2> d: probably no one knew or cared, you can package it, ask for help in #ubuntu-motu
[07:51] <flipy> how can i add support for my windows xp installation?
[07:51] <jordanau> Anakron, www.transgaming.com
[07:51] <flipy> to be able to boot it with grub
[07:51] <bob2> flipy: "add support"?
[07:51] <thundrcleeze> Some, yes, Anakron, though you should consider trying cedega.  Wine does have support for some, though.
[07:51] <bob2> flipy: it should be added automatically to the grub menu
[07:51] <moj0rising> apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:51] <Anakron> because when i ran counter strike in my ubuntu hoary, appears a screen that says that i need install active x
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> anybody else here tried to install Ubuntu 5.04 fully on XFS or JFS?
[07:51] <Anakron> but i cannot find it
[07:51] <flipy> bob2, it isn't... is there any command to rebuild the grub menu?
[07:51] <crimsun> d: I'm reworking packages for it and will be maintaining it in universe
[07:51] <d> bob2: will do. Who do I hassle about the broken Mplayer?
[07:51] <moj0rising> since thentheine.
[07:51] <moj0rising> since then, theine.
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> with JFS grub seems to fail, and with XFS grub succeeds but I get an Error 17 at boot
[07:52] <xmorph> anakron: you need cedega from www.transgaming.com
[07:52] <moj0rising> heh.
[07:52] <SuperLag> flipy: you can manually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:52] <dcraven> flipy, update-grub I think.
[07:52] <Anakron> ok
[07:52] <flipy> i'll try
[07:52] <resiak> Anakron: Alternatively, google for cvscedega
[07:52] <bob2> flipy: no, you'll have to do it manually
[07:52] <xmorph> ugh
[07:52] <d> crimsun: yr reworking which packages?
[07:52] <bob2> d: send a patch to the bts, I suppose
[07:52] <theine> moj0rising, so you installed from scratch and got those error messages the first time you did a dist-upgrade?
[07:52] <flipy> ok i see
[07:52] <d> bob: bts?
[07:53] <DarkSSJ> hi all
[07:53] <crimsun> d: I started from scratch on libmusepack{1,-dev} and the encoder and decoder
[07:53] <jordanau> darksatanic, hi
[07:53] <jordanau> DarkSSJ, hi
[07:53] <DarkSSJ> how can I use marillat repository on amd64?
[07:53] <bob2> d: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:53] <crimsun> DarkSSJ: have you uncommented multiverse?
[07:53] <moj0rising> no. I think it is because I had some backports installed.
[07:53] <bob2> DarkSSJ: what doy you want from it?
[07:53] <DarkSSJ> this (http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories) is not working
[07:53] <theine> DarkSSJ, as far as I know, you can't...
[07:54] <moj0rising> most of the dependency errors are from kde components.
[07:54] <DarkSSJ> bob2, avidemux for example
[07:54] <moj0rising> that's useful info, I think.
[07:54] <mjr> DarkSSJ, #deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/ unstable main
[07:54] <simosx> most manual stuff in ubuntuguide.org can now be done from the interface.
[07:54] <rosco> bob2: I've solved my mp3 problem. I installed gxine and now it works like before....rather strange
[07:54] <theine> moj0rising, could you answer my question?
[07:54] <moj0rising> i didn't?
[07:54] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: please paste output of the following to http://pastebin.com: lsmod, lspci -v, cat /proc/asound/modules, dmesg
[07:54] <moj0rising> which one?
[07:54] <DarkSSJ> mjr, it's _slow_
[07:54] <theine> moj0rising, sorry... i overlooked it...
[07:55] <DarkSSJ> mjr, I only got 10kB/s
[07:55] <rosco> bob2: and effectively, gstreamer08-mad was on the depot that were erased from my list
[07:55] <sighnal> hm. which package i had to install to hear mp3?
[07:55] <crimsun> sighnal: gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[07:55] <moj0rising> yeah. not a new install.
[07:55] <moj0rising> no problem
[07:55] <d> mjr: Hey, you wouldn't know of a ubuntu x86 (32bit) compatible marillat repos?
[07:56] <mjr> DarkSSJ, so be patient :)
[07:56] <deepsight> bob2, ok so the problem in dcgui-qt is that prefs are not saved, i get a lot of CXml::xml_UTF8Toisolat1 error
[07:56] <mjr> d, not if the actual one isn't
[07:56] <bob2> deepsight: did you file a bug?
[07:56] <etzerd> bob2: I went to ubuntu web site unfortunately I cannot see the viki.ubuntu.com/Restrictedformats. event I type it in the address bar I  have an error. To let you know also I'm using the latest release 5.04
[07:56] <deepsight> bob2, hmmm nope
[07:57] <etzerd> One more thing it is not on the ubuntuguide.org
[07:57] <nicedreams> what is the file that has the list of services that startup with linux?
[07:57] <d> Does Amarok support musepack files?
[07:57] <guido__> hi all, is it possible to show the full path in the spatial nautilus titlebar?
[07:58] <bob2> etzerd: you mistyped it, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:58] <chavo> etzerd, spelling counts -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:58] <bob2> etzerd: it maye or not be available at the moment
[07:58] <theine> deepsight, could very well be that it won't help at all, but maybe try to lauch dcgui-qt from a terminal with 'LANG=C dcgui-qt'
[07:58] <crimsun> d: no
[07:58] <chavo> loading slowly here.
[07:58] <rijad> hmmm i looked @ the ubuntu.guide but it didn't answer me how to install my wificard (dlink dwl-g520+)
[07:58] <crimsun> d: ubuntu's gstreamer packages don't contain the musepack portion
[07:58] <etzerd> thanks chavo let me try one moretime
[07:58] <crimsun> d: (which are external anyhow)
[07:59] <deepsight> theine, same thing :(
[07:59] <theine> deepsight, too bad
[07:59] <jordanau> rijad, good chance you need ndiswrapper
[07:59] <jordanau> rijad, does your wifi card have linux drivers?
[07:59] <rijad> how do i check that?
[08:00] <sighnal> ok, setting up sound failed.
[08:00] <sighnal> :(
[08:00] <d> crimsun: aww! Guess I'll just have to stick with XMMS for a bit longer then
[08:00] <jordanau> rijad, hand on and i will tell you i am looking it up now
[08:00] <crimsun> d: or b-m-p
[08:00] <deepsight> and i installed valknut, newest version and it doesnt work either, maybe the problem is with libxml2
[08:00] <jordanau> rijad, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[08:01] <jordanau> rijad, look for your car on that site
[08:01] <rijad> okej
[08:01] <jordanau> car/cardd
[08:01] <crimsun> sighnal: what sort of error(s)? Use #flood if necessary.
[08:01] <d> crimsun: is beep any good?
[08:01] <jordanau> cardd/card
[08:01] <crimsun> d: preference-wise
[08:01] <d> crim: that is what you were referring to?
[08:01] <crimsun> d: beep-media-player (b-m-p), yes
[08:02] <Se7h> help
[08:02] <crimsun> Se7h: ...with?
[08:02] <Se7h> an error i get with gcc
[08:02] <Nekohayo> .....which ?
[08:02] <Se7h> gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory
[08:02] <Se7h> error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
[08:02] <crimsun> Se7h: is 'build-essential' installed?
[08:02] <sighnal> crimsun: i want to use c-media CMI9880. http://www.cmedia.com.tw/download/e_UDA9880_linux_01.htm
[08:03] <spanglesontoast> how do I install packages again pk something
[08:03] <spanglesontoast> ?
[08:03] <Se7h> crimsun thought it was
[08:03] <Se7h> but it wasn't
[08:03] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: synaptic
[08:03] <Arcane> ... I managed to mount my drives, but, um, how can I change permissions? And how could I communicate with a USB modem?
[08:04] <spanglesontoast> fator dee not your lazy way
[08:04] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: or with apt-get through tthe console
[08:04] <rijad> hmm nada :(
[08:04] <bob2> Arcane: as in the permissions on a vfat/ntfs partition? with the umask/fmask/dmask mount options.
[08:04] <Okt> I am getting some errors when running apt-get update
[08:04] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, dpkg -i whatever.deb
[08:04] <jordanau> rijad i found it it works
[08:04] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: yes, I'm a lazy bastard :-p
[08:04] <Arcane> 'kay. How can I communicate with my USB modem and connect with it?
[08:04] <moj0rising> Bob2 and theine, I have gone through the file, the dump of errors and all of them are the same...
[08:04] <andrewski> how do i tell in which runlevel i'm running?
[08:04] <spanglesontoast> ty crav
[08:04] <sighnal> crimsun: i think i load the wrong soundmodule.. or there is no soundmodule that works. :|
[08:04] <bob2> moj0rising: ok, but you haven't shown it to us
[08:05] <moj0rising> ..here you go (in flood)..
[08:05] <ventz> i am having a rather strange problem w/ ubuntu. I insert the cd, start the installation, vmlinux and initrd goes through and then a black screen apears. nothing else happens. Can anyone help me?
[08:05] <spanglesontoast> I found a debian package of azureus
[08:05] <crimsun> sighnal: proper support for that chipset needs ALSA 1.0.9rc2 (snd-hda-intel), which is not available in Ubuntu Hoary.
[08:05] <Rebroad> anyone still here from the earlier MD5 discussion?
[08:05] <jordanau> rijad, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List?PHPSESSID=cd9515b37cef7275998389af81c2f3f0
[08:05] <ventz> can anyone help me
[08:05] <ventz> or give me a hint about that problem
[08:05] <ventz>  it's being installed on a P2
[08:05] <kengur> hi ppl
[08:05] <sighnal> crimsun: rrr. on the website "1.8"
[08:05] <crimsun> sighnal: hopefully within 3 weeks, when Breezy opens, 1.0.9 will have been released upstream, and it will have been merged from Debian
[08:05] <Se7h> ty crimsun
[08:06] <Arcane> Ventz, it might just take a little while.
[08:06] <nicedreams> what's the difference between installing the ubuntu nvidia drivers and using the official nvidia drivers?
[08:06] <Arcane> I'm running on a Pentium 2, whenever I actually us.
[08:06] <ventz> Arcane: what's a while...and why can't I see anything on the screen.
[08:06] <kengur> can anyone help with dvd playback? first gstreamer doesn't work with menues, second i got collors all fucked up (sort of greenish and yellowish)
[08:06] <crimsun> sighnal: you may try the alsa-source package from universe, which contains 1.0.8, using the snd-azx driver, but don't expect much.
[08:06] <jordanau> rijad, find the ndiswrapper wiki on www.ubuntulinux.org and follow the directions and your wireless should be up and runnning
[08:06] <crimsun> Se7h: np
[08:06] <moj0rising> I retyped one of the messages.
[08:06] <moj0rising> into flood.
[08:07] <bob2> Rebroad: don't /msg people
[08:07] <bob2> moj0rising: dude, that is so not the full output of apt
[08:07] <dcraven> jordanau, I think that howto is 404..
[08:07] <moj0rising> Is there an easy way to get this file into flood?
[08:07] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: I disabled the nvidia drivers, let's see what happens
[08:07] <sighnal> crimsun: i give up
[08:07] <jordanau> dcraven, thats too bad cause it was good
[08:07] <sighnal> crimsun: ;)
[08:07] <moj0rising> or one that is not very diddicult?
[08:07] <dcraven> jordanau, yeah it was.
[08:07] <moj0rising> difficult?
[08:08] <bob2> moj0rising: in the #flood window, /exec -o cat /tmp/blah
[08:08] <rijad> i'll do my best
[08:08] <crimsun> sighnal: have you tried the snd-azx driver in alsa-source (1.0.8)?
[08:08] <theine> moj0rising, perhaps it easier for you to paste it at pastebin.com
[08:08] <sighnal> crimsun: no.
[08:08] <moj0rising> X does not work
[08:08] <moj0rising> I can't pase anything, far as I know.
[08:08] <sighnal> crimsun: how to setup alsa-source?
[08:08] <theine> moj0rising, I thought you copied the file over...
[08:08] <jordanau> dcraven, someone needs to but a disrto specific installation guide on the ndiswrapper page
[08:08] <moj0rising> I troed...
[08:09] <moj0rising> It was taking forever.
[08:09] <moj0rising> because it is huge.
[08:09] <jordanau> but/put what is wrong with my spelling today
[08:09] <theine> moj0rising, a text file??
[08:09] <theine> moj0rising, huge?
[08:09] <crimsun> sighnal: enable the universe repo, then apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[08:09] <moj0rising> basically, I am getting an error like that for every kde package installed.
[08:09] <Jefis> :)
[08:09] <dcraven> moj0rising, maybe pastebin.com is a better option.
[08:09] <moj0rising> far as I can tell.
[08:09] <Jefis> hey
[08:09] <nicedreams> what's the difference between installing the ubuntu nvidia drivers and using the official nvidia drivers?
[08:09] <Jefis> mmine X crashed
[08:09] <bob2> nicedreams: being able to get help here ;)
[08:09] <moj0rising> theine, huge.
[08:09] <Jefis> something wrong with kernel
[08:09] <Jefis> what to do?????
[08:09] <Jefis> :)
[08:10] <theine> moj0rising, mega bytes?
[08:10] <sighnal> crimsun: ok, the apt tool compiles the modules directly?
[08:10] <bob2> nicedreams: it's really way way better to do the method on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:10] <Jefis> how to download official kernel?
[08:10] <chavo> nicedreams, one gives you a headache, one gives you 3d drivers.
[08:10] <moj0rising> think so
[08:10] <kquamme94> hi
[08:10] <qweqw> why is nvidia-glx no longer available?
[08:10] <kquamme94> i need assistance
[08:10] <moj0rising> lemme try again...
[08:10] <Jefis> exit
[08:10] <andrewski> chavo: i've had no headaches with ubuntu's... ???
[08:10] <rijad> well i newbie q: whay do i see "X" and "lock"-marks om some files/icons?
[08:10] <crimsun> sighnal: I'll walk you through it; meanwhile, run that command
[08:10] <chavo> exactly
[08:10] <nicedreams> oh..i've been using the official nvidia drivers and haven't had a problem
[08:10] <nicedreams> i found out my old hard lock problem though
[08:10] <nicedreams> it was my board
[08:11] <sighnal> crimsun: hehe. the ubuntu mirror is down.. =)
[08:11] <kquamme94> what would be the cause of a "ping: sendto: Network is unreachable" error?
[08:11] <jordanau> rijad, those are from file permissions
[08:11] <chavo> I haven't been able to get the nvidia ones working here for some reason.
[08:11] <andrewski> chavo: oh, you said it backwards. :P
[08:11] <nicedreams> are the ubuntu nvidia drivers up to date?  they just released another driver on nvidia's page
[08:11] <kquamme94> what would be the cause of a "ping: sendto: Network is unreachable" error?
[08:11] <jordanau> rijad, if you want to start a private chat and discuss basic linux questions i will
[08:11] <crimsun> sighnal: so use another mirror: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en&lr=&strip=1
[08:11] <rijad> i'd like that :)
[08:12] <nikola> which gnome file manager is fine <?
[08:12] <jordanau> rijad, join #jordanau
[08:12] <theine> nikola, nautilus isn't?
[08:12] <andrewski> does anyone use opera in ubuntu?
[08:12] <sighnal> crimsun: ok, installed that.
[08:13] <crimsun> sighnal: now, cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[08:13] <nikola> theine, ok i try
[08:13] <sighnal> crimsun: done
[08:13] <theine> nikola, you already have it...
[08:13] <crimsun> sighnal: then, sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source; say "no" to PnP, "yes" to debugging, and choose the azx driver
[08:14] <crimsun> sighnal: then, cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[08:17] <sighnal> crimsun: hm. "/bin/sh: /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.12-rc2/scripts/gcc-version.sh: file or dir not found"
[08:17] <Okt> I am getting some errors when running apt-get update, can I please get some assistance???
[08:18] <zenwhen> hey zenrox
[08:18] <sighnal> crimsun: i'm using at the moment a custom kernel.
[08:18] <spity> Okt: what errors?
[08:18] <sighnal> crimsun: (i think in 2.6.12-rc2 is support for my card)
[08:18] <moj0rising> OK. I'm going crazy here.
[08:19] <moj0rising> The file is stuck on that other PC.
[08:19] <moj0rising> DOes anyone know what those erros could mean.
[08:19] <moj0rising> they are all almost exactly the same.,
[08:19] <sighnal> crimsun: booting now the old kernel. mom
[08:20] <theine> moj0rising, how many dependencies are not resolved in total?
[08:20] <crimsun> sighnal: your 2.6.12-rc2 already contains support. You need not use alsa-source if you use 2.6.12-rc2.
[08:20] <crimsun> sighnal: in 2.6.12-rc2, use the snd-hda-intel driver
[08:20] <moj0rising> probably a couple hundred.
[08:20] <theine> moj0rising, did you remove the backports repository?
[08:20] <sighnal> crimsun: ah *g*
[08:20] <andysl>   mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[08:20] <andysl>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:20] <andysl> That happens on '
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> anyone have an hp zv5000 series
[08:20] <andysl> apt-get install mplayer-386 :/
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> the nforce3 usb 1.1 won't work
[08:21] <bob2> andysl: yes, get rid of your marillat lines from your sources.list
[08:21] <moj0rising> I removed them from my sources.list.
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> I get usb 2.0 with ehci-hcd on hoary, but ohci-hcd and uhci-hcd don't add anything.
[08:21] <dhonn> its been 5 months since i did a clean ubuntu install..  How long does it typically take to install an Ubuntu base system
[08:21] <andysl> marillat lol ok 1 sec haha ;)
[08:21] <moj0rising> but I did not uninstall them
[08:21] <moj0rising>  think that is my problem.
[08:21] <theine> moj0rising, then put it back in
[08:21] <moj0rising> when I tried to uninstall them via the instructions on the firums.
[08:21] <bob2> dhonn: depends on the speed of your cd drive/net connection/hard disk
[08:21] <bob2> dhonn: I installed my x40 in less than an hour over dsl
[08:21] <moj0rising> put the backports lines back?
[08:21] <bob2> moj0rising: no
[08:21] <eruin> any way to change brightness/contrast level for the screen via X?
[08:22] <bob2> moj0rising: and dont use backports again until they fix their packages
[08:22] <sighnal> crimsun: module snd_hda_intel not found. hm.
[08:22] <dhonn> how about for an average p4?
[08:22] <moj0rising> you got that right.
[08:22] <dhonn> or how about compared to other distributions?
[08:22] <bob2> dhonn: no idea, less than hour probably
[08:22] <andysl> bob2:  Is there a startup guide/whatever for Ubuntu 5.04?
[08:22] <crimsun> sighnal: did you compile it?
[08:22] <bob2> andysl: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes for people upgrading, the normal docs for new installs, I guess
[08:22] <bob2> dhonn: I don't use other distros
[08:22] <theine> moj0rising, do a dist-upgrade afterwards, remove the backports repostory again, apt-get update and look in synaptic which packages are local or absolete, remove those and reinstall them from the official ubuntu repos
[08:22] <andysl> ahh
[08:23] <nicedreams> oooooooooooooooo....Ubuntu has the lastest XFCE4....  I'm switching now
[08:23] <dhonn> of course not
[08:23] <andysl> bob2: I'm going by ubuntuguide.org (where the marillat lines came from) - is that alright besides the marillat lines?
[08:23] <Kirsch> hey guys, is it possible to make a "rc" esq type file for xcompmgr?
[08:23] <bob2> andysl: I don't know, I haven't read the whole hting
[08:23] <bob2> other people recommend it
[08:23] <sighnal> crimsun: hm. no. can i compile it alone?
[08:23] <dhonn> i have an empty partition. Ill have to install it myself
[08:23] <andysl> bob2: my bad one last q
[08:23] <andysl> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:23] <andysl>   acroread-plugin: Depends: acroread (= 5.10-0.2) but 7.0-0sarge0.1 is to be installed
[08:24] <sighnal> crimsun: not the whole source, only the module?
[08:24] <moj0rising> OK. Cool. Got the last part. but do a dist=upgrade after what?
[08:24] <andysl> bob2:  I'm assuming that's because the acroread plugin hasn't been made for adobe 7 right?
[08:24] <bob2> andysl: need to leave it, I guess
[08:24] <bob2> andysl: right
[08:24] <osmandemirhan> hi, ubuntu contains only english locales, how can I generate all locales?
[08:24] <bob2> andysl: or it just hasn't been packaged, etc
[08:24] <crimsun> sighnal: you should be able to compile only the module, yes
[08:24] <jr_G-man> what is "Breezy"
[08:24] <andysl> bob2: i hear u ;) thanks a lot much love
[08:24] <bob2> jr_G-man: the release after hoary
[08:24] <bob2> jr_G-man: no, it doesn't exist yet
[08:24] <theine> moj0rising, after you've put the backwards _temporarily_ back in
[08:24] <bob2> andysl: you're most welcome
[08:25] <crane> hmmm
[08:25] <moj0rising> I see...
[08:25] <moj0rising> Put the back ports back in...
[08:25] <moj0rising> ...run apt0get dist upgrade...
[08:25] <moj0rising> ....remove the backports...
[08:25] <moj0rising> do it again
[08:25] <bob2> I'd really just purge them all and fix your warrty system
[08:25] <bob2> then dist-upgrade/whatever to hoary
[08:25] <andysl> bob2: omg my bad one more Q
[08:25] <run|laptop> quick question: is there a gui for to me to change what services startup under different run levels?
[08:26] <andysl> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[08:26] <andysl>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[08:26] <andysl> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[08:26] <andysl> bob2:  Is there some way to bypass that?
[08:26] <run|laptop> hoary looks great!
[08:26] <moj0rising> That sounds ideal but I can't get that show-versions package installed to do it.
[08:26] <bob2> run|laptop: just don't install stuff you don't want to run, is the simple answer
[08:26] <bob2> moj0rising: then don't bother with that
[08:26] <xvlun> andysl, edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[08:26] <moj0rising> ok..
[08:26] <spanglesontoast> how can i make tun run?
[08:26] <sighnal> crimsun: hmm. u know how?
[08:27] <moj0rising> how can I remove the backports then?
[08:27] <crimsun> sighnal: go into your kernel source and compile it
[08:27] <bob2> moj0rising: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk /backports/ '{print $2}'"
[08:27] <bob2> moj0rising: run that, 'dpkg -P --force-depends blah' everything it prints out
[08:27] <bob2> moj0rising: then run 'apt-get -f install'
[08:27] <andysl> xvlun: coolies, thank you my mang
[08:27] <theine> moj0rising, no, not 'do it again', after you removed the backports repo again, hit reload in synaptic and look which packages are local or obsolete, those you need to remove...
[08:28] <run|laptop> bob2: not a good answer ;-)
[08:28] <xvlun> what?
[08:28] <CyberSDF> Hi ! it's me or the http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is down ?
[08:28] <moj0rising> Got it, theine.
[08:28] <bob2> CyberSDF: dude, read the /topic
[08:28] <bob2> CyberSDF: lots of things are broken, people are working on it
[08:28] <thos> my ubuntu installation seems to have got stuck at "Testing network repositor..." Any suggestions on prompting it to continue?
[08:29] <CyberSDF> bob2, Ok txt.
[08:29] <moj0rising> bob2, I would have to do that for every error? --'dpkg -P --force-depends blah' everything it prints out
[08:29] <andysl> bob2:  how much HD space does it take to setup an Ubuntu mirror - and is there a program to automatically update that mirror so it's uptodate?
[08:29] <spanglesontoast> how can i run tun?
[08:29] <ogra> thos, see the topic
[08:29] <theine> moj0rising, and after you removed those packages, reinstall them from the ubuntu repos (with backports repo disabled)
[08:29] <thos> ogra, yes that's not much help for convincing the install to continue
[08:29] <ogra> thos, change to a local mirror instead of using archive.ubuntu.com
[08:29] <andysl> bob2: i have a fbsd box on 200mbit (2x100) which has 60 gigs available to this cause...
[08:29] <andysl> bob2: located in Chicago, IL hehe
[08:29] <thos> ogra, how? I haven't even installed yet...
[08:30] <bob2> moj0rising: no, just do what I said
[08:30] <moj0rising> haha
[08:30] <bob2> moj0rising: run that for every package the awk line prints out
[08:30] <bob2> andysl: an ubuntu main mirror is...
[08:30] <ogra> thos, i didnt know youre installing...you could say no to the question if you want to install packages from the internet
[08:30] <CyberSDF> there is a mirror list ?
[08:30] <bob2> andysl: 4.0GB for i386 warty + hoary
[08:30] <thos> ogra, so I'm stuck basically, because there is no cancel option
[08:30] <bob2> andysl: I use debmirror to keep mine up to date
[08:31] <bob2> CyberSDF: yeah, but on the web site that is down atm :(
[08:31] <andysl> bob2: ahh
[08:31] <CyberSDF> bob2, the snake eat is queue :p
[08:31] <crimsun> CyberSDF: please see http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en&lr=&strip=1
[08:31] <andysl> ogra: how do you change to another mirror?
[08:31] <bob2> andysl: my command line is "debmirror -m -h au.archive.ubuntu.com -p -v --nosource --method=ftp -r /ubuntu/ -d warty,hoary --section=main,restricted --arch=i386  ./ubuntu/", but use a mirror near to you
[08:31] <samuel> are the ubuntu repos offline?
[08:31] <moj0rising> OK. I think I can get this squared away. Thanks for saving me, bob2 and theine!!
[08:31] <andrewski> samuel: maybe just overloaded. :P
[08:32] <crimsun> samuel: see the topic, and use a mirror. http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en&lr=&strip=1
[08:32] <CyberSDF> crimsun, txt, i go on google archive.
[08:32] <andysl> bob2: wait - the box is a freebsd box... in chicago illinois 200mbit that i want to setup the mirror on
[08:32] <bob2> moj0rising: np
[08:32] <samuel> crimsun, i am on a mirror...
[08:32] <ogra> samuel, only the main mirror, use another one
[08:32] <theine> moj0rising, you're welcome
[08:32] <bob2> andysl: debmirror is a pretty simple perl script
[08:32] <andysl> bob2: not THIS box lol - this box is only 5 mbit that im on right now and only 3 mbit up :|
[08:32] <andysl> bob2: oh i see i see
[08:33] <bob2> andysl: dude, I maintain that mirror on my 1.5mb/s dsl
[08:33] <spity> Plnt: hey punk, 'sup? :-)
[08:34] <Plnt> spity: wathing ya :p
[08:34] <Plnt> spity: :))
[08:34] <wjesusaxl> do you know how to set up a network
[08:34] <hasanudin> I can`t browse the shared folder on another pc using nautilus
[08:34] <hasanudin> any body help me ?
[08:35] <xulin> hi
[08:35] <xulin> why hoary user gcc 3.3 thant 3.4 ?
[08:35] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me where is modem lights applet in Ubuntu 5.04?
[08:35] <FreezerX> For installing mplayer I ve added MARILLAT to the repository as it is described in 2.2 http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats. When updating I get the following message W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907.
[08:36] <^thehatsrule^> onkarshinde, why dont you get a dl up/down monitor?
[08:36] <Frafra> hi all
[08:36] <xulin> FreezerX, normal .. the official hoary are now certified with gpg keys
[08:36] <bob2> xulin: because 3.4 changes the ABI
[08:36] <CyberSDF> There is a mirror for security.ubuntu.com ?
[08:36] <^thehatsrule^> ABI?
[08:36] <bob2> xulin: which is a massive pain in the arse
[08:36] <brian__> wjesusaxl
[08:37] <wjesusaxl> hey guys I have no Idea how to set up a network
[08:37] <onkarshinde> ^thehatsrule^: I added Modem monitor to panel. But it says I need root privileges to use it.
[08:37] <bob2> ^thehatsrule^: application binary interface...kinda hard to explain what it is, unless you know what an API is ;)
[08:37] <^thehatsrule^> odd... sudo it?
[08:37] <xulin> bob2, what is the abi ?
[08:37] <tizen> FreezerX: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=22279
[08:37] <^thehatsrule^> heh, i know ogl is an api :P
[08:37] <tizen> fix it using that
[08:37] <bob2> xulin: something I don't know how to explain in 2 lines but which is a big dea
[08:37] <bob2> l
[08:37] <brian__> i download a program on ubuntu and how do i install it
[08:38] <bob2> brian__: depends on the program and the format you downloaded
[08:38] <Frafra> i want install (enlightenment) engage
[08:38] <xulin> ok ..
[08:38] <shorty114> is it possible to upgrade a current warty to hoary?
[08:38] <Frafra> where can i download it?
[08:38] <FreezerX> mplayer-586: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed ?
[08:38] <stang> Hey guys, what window manager does hoary use by default?
[08:38] <crimsun> metacity
[08:38] <shorty114> i'm running warty, but i don't want to lose all my stuff
[08:38] <brian__> ok
[08:38] <ogra> stang, metacity
[08:38] <brian__> i have another question
[08:38] <stang> ok, thanks guys
[08:38] <bob2> shorty114: sure, wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:38] <ogra> shorty114, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:38] <shorty114> bob2: thanks
[08:38] <bob2> shorty114: metacity in gnome
[08:38] <brian__> how do i save on a floppy disc
[08:38] <shorty114> ogra: thanks
[08:38] <wjesusaxl> help with my network?
[08:39] <bob2> FreezerX: don't use mplayer from marillat's apt source on hoary
[08:39] <brian__> lol
[08:39] <brian__> hey guys
[08:39] <ogra> FreezerX, mplayer is in multiverse
[08:39] <rijad> hmm how do i install ndiswrapper? looked @ wiki but didn't get it :S
[08:39] <brian__> how do u save on a floppy disc
[08:40] <individ> ogra, is there a 64 bit version of mplayer?
[08:40] <ogra> individ, yop
[08:40] <spity> rijad: apt-get ndiswrapper
[08:40] <bob2> individ: sure, but it can't use windows dsll
[08:40] <bob2> s
[08:40] <ogra> individ, ia64 and amd64
[08:40] <onkarshinde> Can anyone help me. I have added Modem Monitor to panel. But it says I need root privileges to use it. I need to set it up for my dada and this will be trouble for him.
[08:40] <individ> bob2, :)
[08:40] <RastaMahata> hello people
[08:40] <FreezerX> bob2, than the documentation is not actuall http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats 9.1 "For Warty, you will need to add the MARILLAT, CRIMSUN, and MULTIVERSE repositories. For Hoary, you will need to add the MARILLAT and MULTIVERSE repositories."
[08:40] <spity> rijad: err apt-get install ndiswrapper :)
[08:40] <bob2> rijad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[08:40] <individ> ogra, amd64
[08:40] <brian__> wjesusaxl
[08:40] <brian__> answer me
[08:40] <Plnt> brian__: mount it and use it as a normal filesystem
[08:40] <wjesusaxl> hey
[08:40] <brian__> waz up
[08:40] <Plnt> brian__: usually mount /dev/fd0 /floppy
[08:41] <ogra> individ, i meant its available for these two 64bit arches ;)
[08:41] <individ> ogra, oh :)
[08:41] <individ> ogra, my synaptic cant find it
[08:41] <rijad> well, it's not that simple 4 me. i'm new to linux/ubuntu
[08:41] <onkarshinde> Help me on Modem Monitor please.
[08:41] <brian__> but how do i save my stuff to a disc
[08:41] <ogra> individ, you need mutiverse enabled in synaptic
[08:41] <spity> rijad: it's is that simple :)
[08:41] <spity> rijad: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[08:42] <fgx> i'd like to set the correct VGA value for 1680x1050. vga=ask doesn't help me. any idea?
[08:42] <rijad> hmm "connection refused ubuntulinux.org"
[08:42] <individ> bob2,  the last time i tryed to do anything with wine was over 4 years ago and i remember he asked the path to the windows dll's
[08:42] <rijad> ill try that
[08:42] <Dreamer3> anyone having problems with nvidia and switching back to consoles?
[08:42] <bob2> rijad: yes, it's down, you'll have to wait or use the google cache
[08:42] <spity> fgx: vga= argument sets this resolution for framebuffer not for X!
[08:42] <individ> bob2, it didn't went anyways
[08:42] <brian__> accept
[08:43] <fgx> spiral, yeah i work with fb
[08:43] <tsume_> bob2: hi there.
[08:43] <bob2> individ: ok, but the magic required to get a amd64-native mplayer to use windows dlls is pretty damn high
[08:43] <bob2> like ISS-high
[08:43] <tsume_> bob2: heh, didn't realise you were op in here :)
[08:43] <bob2> tsume_: howdy
[08:43] <wjesusaxl> help me out with my network..
[08:43] <individ> bob2, lol dont be mean :P
[08:43] <fgx> spiral, headless system
[08:43] <tsume_> bob2: next time mikeeusa shows up, make sure to get logs ;)
[08:43] <shorty114> k i'm upgrading
[08:43] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[08:43] <bob2> tsume_: I have logs
[08:44] <spity> fgx: well, what gfx?
[08:44] <tsume_> bob2: just out of curiosity, what was he doing?
[08:44] <bob2> tsume_: I could have killed him in half a second if someone pointed it out to me
[08:44] <bob2> tsume_: being abusive and stupid
[08:44] <ogra> Dreamer3, nope, works fine here
[08:44] <tsume_> bob2: oh. One of those.
[08:44] <bob2> tsume_: as mikeeusa invariably is
[08:44] <rijad> bob2, will apt-get work?
[08:44] <Dreamer3> ogra: i do'nt know if it's the card, system or what... the nv drivers works fine
[08:44] <ogra> Dreamer3, using the ubuntu nvidia driver on hoary
[08:44] <brian__> can i play computer games on ubuntu
[08:44] <andrewski> i'm using evolution, but want to try out KDE; is there a mail app that can use my evolution mail dirs?
[08:44] <bob2> rijad: yeah, but you need to do a couple of steps after that
[08:45] <bob2> brian__: sure
[08:45] <fgx> spiral, you mean videocard? radeon igp 340
[08:45] <brian__> how
[08:45] <Dreamer3> ogra: yeah, me too
[08:45] <bob2> brian__: most games you're thinking of are windows-only, tho
[08:45] <brian__> oooooooooooooooo
[08:45] <brian__> ok
[08:45] <ogra> Dreamer3, with any tweakage in the xorg.conf ?
[08:45] <individ> ogra, you say mplayer is in multiverse? my sources.list has only universe
[08:45] <andrewski> individ: then add universe
[08:45] <spity> fgx: i'm _spity_ not spiral :-P
[08:45] <wjesusaxl> hey you guys ... do you know.. how to start a whole network...
[08:45] <brian__> thoughs want work
[08:45] <bob2> brian__: you can try cedega if you want to pay transgaming money
[08:45] <ogra> individ, then add multiverse ;)
[08:46] <andrewski> individ: whoops, multiverse. :P
[08:46] <ogra> individ, space separated behind universe
[08:46] <brian__> no
[08:46] <dr_willis> ive had very very bad luck with cedega
[08:46] <Dreamer3> ogra: no, i actually removed and let ubuntu rebuild it... i mean i added a few lines for the nvidia driver, but problem existing before that
[08:46] <brian__> it ok
[08:46] <bob2> wjesusaxl: it sounds like you should start off reading something like the basic network concepts howto on tldp.org
[08:46] <dr_willis> :(
[08:46] <spity> fgx: dunno about radeon, sorry
[08:46] <individ> ogra, ok thnks
[08:46] <Dreamer3> ogra: do you have dri enabled on yours?
[08:46] <ogra> Dreamer3, yop
[08:47] <Dreamer3> ogra: the driver itself is solid, just getting back to a console that doesn't work
[08:47] <Dreamer3> ogra: :(
[08:47] <ogra> Dreamer3, :(
[08:47] <fgx> spity, :). ok no matter.
[08:47] <Dreamer3> ogra: i wonder if i need to get svga tools and save the state before hand and try and restore it manually then graft it into a script, but that's a lot of work for osmething that should just work
[08:47] <DooD> hey guys
[08:47] <Kirsch> is there a command to basically reconfigure your video card to whatever it would be by default? (autodetect)?
[08:48] <chiddy> if i install kubuntu-desktop to run Gnome and KDE, does it matter if i use KDM or GDM???
[08:48] <wjesusaxl> THAT WILL WORK
[08:48] <ogra> Dreamer3, do you have anywhere a option like DontZap ?
[08:48] <rijad> this is bs...
[08:48] <fgx> spity, is vga= parameter related to videocard?
[08:48] <ogra> Dreamer3, in your xorg.conf
[08:48] <DooD> i want to create a launcher for the file browser how can i
[08:48] <Dreamer3> ogra: no... doesn't that just affect ctrl-alt-backspace, or am i thinking of a diff option?
[08:48] <bob2> rijad: I'm sorry you happened to pick the one day out of the paste 8 months the network has had problems
[08:48] <brian__> boglot accept
[08:48] <individ> ogra, woot i got it :)
[08:48] <bob2> rijad: maybe just try tommorow so you don't get frustrated
[08:48] <ogra> individ, :)
[08:48] <hasanudin> why nautilus (ubuntu 5.04) can't show dialog promt ask username + password when browse networking ??
[08:48] <Dreamer3> ogra: killing, shutting down, or switching to console (any way possible) only result in a blinking light on my LCD
[08:49] <ogra> Dreamer3, hmm sounds strange...
[08:49] <Dreamer3> ogra: console works until i enter X, then it's over
[08:49] <Dreamer3> ogra: but only with nvidia's binary driver
[08:49] <rijad> it's not that i can't get the ndiswraper to work
[08:49] <DooD> no one can answer my question here?
[08:50] <rijad> it's that i want to learn faaast :)
[08:50] <bob2> DooD: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:50] <brian__> how do u play gunbound on ubuntu
[08:50] <bob2> but who knows if it works
[08:50] <ogra> Dreamer3, the only idea i have would be to look for an nvidia specific option.... there are a lot...
[08:50] <_ubuntu> hi! I did not succeed to make the wlan card of the Acer Extensa 2900 work. It's an ipw2200 card, but the radio kill switch turns it off. The fsam7400 also did not help. When I echo different values as root to the rf_kill value in the /sys fs, it stays on it's value. There must be a hidden magic. Any hints?
[08:50] <Dreamer3> ogra: i read the readme, nothing obvious jumped out at me
[08:50] <DooD> bob2 what does that do?
[08:50] <Dreamer3> ogra: agpgart is still loaded, is that supposed to be the case when you use nvidia's AGP?
[08:50] <Dreamer3> ogra: it loads by default when i modprobe nvidia
[08:51] <bob2> DooD: try and see
[08:51] <DooD> create a shortcut?
[08:51] <tsume_> oh the enjoyment of ubuntu
[08:51] <brian__> wat games can i play on ubuntu
[08:51] <ogra> Dreamer3, google for the NvAGP option
[08:51] <Dreamer3> ogra: yes, i have it set to nvidia
[08:52] <brian__> hey bob2
[08:52] <spity> fgx: afaik yes
[08:52] <ogra> Dreamer3, did you try the other options ?
[08:52] <Dreamer3> ogra: and /proc/whatever/agp says it's using nvidia, i just thought from a past life that meant no agpgart
[08:52] <brian__> i have a question
[08:52] <Ben2004uk> just out of interest - if i have 3-4 machines is it worth buying a fileserver??
[08:52] <Ben2004uk> just a cheap thing
[08:52] <Dreamer3> ogra: well, before switching to nvidia i was using the via_agp that is on my system, same problem
[08:53] <Dreamer3> ogra: i've tried so much i'm hoping eventually someone will step up and see "this is it - go do this" with authority, and it'll just work
[08:53] <Xebitx> Can someone help me get my soundcard to work? ...It's an Audigy LS from Creative Labs
[08:53] <ogra> Dreamer3, hmm, agpgart isnt loaded here... try to blacklist it
[08:53] <Dreamer3> ogra: hmmm, no agpgart?
[08:53] <Dreamer3> ogra: do you have it blacklisted?
[08:53] <crimsun> Xebitx: please see the forum; there are multiple posts from me regarding configuring it.
[08:54] <defence22> hello, i just installed ubuntu and everything is working smothly except for startup when i have my wusb54g plugged in (i have been able to get it working with driverloader). The startup freezes on Starting hotplug subsystem
[08:54] <ogra> Dreamer3, not specifically, nope....but my system might not be a good examlpe system....
[08:54] <Xebitx> crimsun please give me a link then to the exact post
[08:54] <brian__> fdtdfrd
[08:54] <brian__> tgftgdf
[08:54] <brian__> gfhjgh
[08:54] <brian__> ghjkgh
[08:54] <brian__> jghk
[08:54] <brian__> fk
[08:54] <brian__> fg
[08:54] <brian__> kdf
[08:54] <brian__> ghk
[08:54] <brian__> dfghk
[08:54] <brian__> df
[08:54] <brian__> hk
[08:54] <ogra> thanks bob2
[08:54] <InitMass> how do i use real player with esd?
[08:55] <Dreamer3> OrangeSlice: does blacklist change how modprobe works?
[08:55] <mjr> InitMass, try esddsp
[08:55] <Dreamer3> ogra: because modprobe is what fulls in agpgart
[08:55] <crimsun> Xebitx: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=ca0106
[08:55] <ogra> Dreamer3, rather hotplug...
[08:55] <ogra> Dreamer3, which is affected by blackisting
[08:55] <Dreamer3> ogra: then it prolly won't help
[08:56] <Dreamer3> ogra: but i'll try it in a sec
[08:56] <ogra> Dreamer3, on my system its simply doesnt get loaded...
[08:56] <InitMass> mjr, how?
[08:56] <bob2> brian__: fixed your keyboard now?>
[08:56] <Dreamer3> ogra: hmmm, when i modprobe nvidia (or let it happen automatically) it pulls in agpgart
[08:56] <hasanudin> why nautilus (ubuntu 5.04) can't show dialog promt ask username + password when browse networking ??
[08:56] <brian__> ooooooooooooooo
[08:57] <brian__> helllllll
[08:57] <brian__> no
[08:57] <mjr> InitMass, esddsp realplayer (or whatever its name is)
[08:57] <brian__> screw ubuntu
[08:57] <Dreamer3> ogra: i'm going to reboot
[08:57] <Dreamer3> brb
[08:57] <bob2> brian__: please stop it
[08:57] <brian__> u cant play any games
[08:57] <bob2> brian__: I'm sorry no one answered your question at that point in time, but there's no point getting upset
[08:57] <bob2> brian__: you can play lots of games
[08:57] <brian__> ok
[08:57] <brian__> wat
[08:58] <bob2> quake3
[08:58] <crimsun> tuxracer, gnometris, bzflag, ...
[08:58] <bob2> alpha centauri
[08:58] <zenrox> quake2 ,et ,ut-2k4
[08:58] <brian__> but starcraft no
[08:58] <defcon8> can i ask what the difference is between debian and ubuntu please
[08:58] <bob2> return to castle wolfenstein
[08:58] <zenrox> nwn
[08:58] <brian__> gunbound no
[08:58] <jintxo> ePSXe
[08:58] <crimsun> freeciv
[08:58] <chiddy> brian__, i got ut2004, doom 3, quake 3, stepmania, and ut1 installed...
[08:58] <bob2> brian__: er, of course you can play starcract
[08:58] <Plnt> brian__: you can play starcraft using wine/cedega
[08:58] <Fator_Dee> morrowind \o/
[08:58] <bob2> brian__: go buy winex from transgaming and most games will work
[08:58] <onkarshinde> Where has modem lights applet gone in Hoary?
[08:58] <spanglesontoast> mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/Stuff how do i make it readable by everyone?
[08:58] <kro> defcon8: Ubuntu is based off of Debian
[08:59] <jesper> tuxracer
[08:59] <mjr> starcraft in particular doesn't even need transgaming's version
[08:59] <defcon8> how many packages does it have?
[08:59] <brian__> dont no
[08:59] <bob2> spanglesontoast: presumably it's a windows filesystem?
[08:59] <bob2> defcon8: > 10 000
[08:59] <spanglesontoast> ya fat32
[08:59] <ogra> defcon8, more
[08:59] <kro> defcon8: pretty much everything that is in Debian unstable and then some
[08:59] <Frafra> hi
[08:59] <defence22> hello, i just installed ubuntu and everything is working smothly except for startup when i have my wusb54g plugged in (i have been able to get it working with driverloader). The startup freezes on "Starting hotplug subsystem". Can anyone help me?
[08:59] <ogra> defcon8, ...then debian
[08:59] <InitMass> mjr, no, that didn't work
[08:59] <brian__> wat about warcraft
[08:59] <spanglesontoast> but I want to move a 6gb file onto it
[08:59] <spanglesontoast> etc
[08:59] <brian__> i cant play internet games
[08:59] <Frafra> i've installed kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu. what i must do for uninstall it?
[08:59] <brian__> like runscape
[08:59] <bob2> brian__: appdb.codeweavers.com
[08:59] <Fator_Dee> brian__: yes you can
[08:59] <mjr> InitMass, well, might be regression
[09:00] <spiderworm> hey all if I want to smbmount a network drive at boot, how would I set ubuntu to do that?
[09:00] <spanglesontoast> and still allow read write access
[09:00] <defcon8> well i actually use freebsd at the mo
[09:00] <bob2> brian__: and whinging and flooding are considered extremely poor form, you're very lucky people are willing to help you at all
[09:00] <defcon8> and freebsd has more than 13500 packages i thinkl
[09:00] <Plnt> defence22: did you tried to use some newer version of prism54.org driver? i had some similar problems with older versions (didn't tested new, becase i don't use it anymore)
[09:00] <defcon8> well thanks
[09:01] <brian__> i cant play runescape
[09:01] <ogra> defcon8, ubuntu wartys universe had 15000 packages hoary has a lot more, since we imported most of apt-get.org and some other repositories
[09:01] <brian__> ive tried
[09:01] <bob2> brian__: well, that's a shame, but no reason to crapflood
[09:01] <Plnt> :)
[09:01] <defence22> plntL i am not using the prism54.org driver because it does not support the wusb54g yet
[09:02] <brian__> all
[09:02] <Plnt> defence22: sry, i've didn't read your question properly.. i've misplaces wusb54g with prism54..
[09:02] <brian__> of my friends play it i cant
[09:02] <Dreamer3> ok
[09:02] <Dreamer3> nvidia people
[09:02] <Dreamer3> is agpgart in your lsmod?
[09:02] <bob2> brian__: that's a huge shame
[09:02] <samuel> has anyone gotten realplayer10 to work? i get no errors... it just hangs - it never asked me to agreee to a licence - yet it seems to have installed just fine...
[09:02] <bob2> brian__: maybe you'd be happier staying with windows then
[09:02] <bluefoxicy> oy
[09:02] <thoreauputic> brian__: you've been told places to look
[09:02] <bob2> brian__: or just rebooting it to play that particular game
[09:02] <brian__> i spent 5 hours downloading gunbound and i cant install it
[09:02] <InitMass> mjr, i want to use my external sound card which is on /dev/dsp1 but with that command you gave me it will use the internal
[09:02] <Frafra> who can help me?
[09:02] <Dreamer3> i can't seem to modprobe nvidia without it... it says "missing symbols" if i try and move agpgart (to force it to load withou tit)
[09:02] <Dreamer3> do i need some option to nvidia or something
[09:02] <redPanda> hi all
[09:03] <Dreamer3> seems it should be able to work seperate using nvidia's AGP (specificed in my xorg.conf)
[09:03] <zenrox> brian__,  for runescape you need java read www.ubuntuguide.org/temp for installing java
[09:03] <Plnt> samuel: if realplayer don't work, you can also try mplayer with win32 codecs
[09:03] <redPanda> does anybody know where i can download openoffice 2.0 for ubuntu?
[09:03] <bob2> redPanda: it's in hoary
[09:03] <chiddy> brian__, and try searching google too, you can sometimes find how-tos to install game on linux
[09:03] <zenrox> redPanda,  right out of the repostires
[09:04] <pune> hello, does anyone know how to ftp to another computer using gFTP>
[09:04] <mak> does anyone know why, when i try to control my syndaemon, I get...  "sudo syndaemon -i .5
[09:04] <zenrox> redPanda,  right out of snyaptic
[09:04] <mak> Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
[09:04] <spiderworm> hey all if I want to smbmount a network drive at boot, how would I set ubuntu to do that?
[09:04] <bluefoxicy> o_o 40k/s downloads
[09:04] <samuel> Plnt, thx... this seems too much work just to listen to bbc - ive been looking for a while now at message boards and there is a couple of ppl who have my problem - but no solutions
[09:04] <onkarshinde> How can enable mp3 playing in rythmbox?
[09:04] <redPanda> great! thanks vey much.
[09:05] <mak> does anyone know why, when i try to control my syndaemon, I get...  "sudo syndaemon -i .5
[09:05] <mak> Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
[09:05] <bob2> onkarshinde: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:05] <bob2> mak: you don't need to keep repeating that, once is enough
[09:06] <bob2> onkarshinde: hint: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:06] <Plnt> samuel: you don't have to compile mplayer, there are binary packages included in ubuntu, you just have to add w32 codecs.
[09:06] <mak> sorry bob2, wasnt sure if everyone as caught up. wont happen again
[09:06] <pune> hey does anyone know how to ftp to another computer?
[09:06] <fgx> what's the correct way to start from CLI? is there some inittab value or i have to K13gdm
[09:06] <Seveas> pune, ftp://user:pass@computername
[09:07] <Seveas> in nautilus :)
[09:07] <bob2> fgx: just disable gdm in some runlevel and boot into it
[09:07] <fgx> bob2, ok
[09:07] <pune> Seveas: you need the "pass" in there?
[09:07] <simosx> fgx, edit /etc/inittab, choose runlevel 3 instead of 5 at the correct line.. :)
[09:07] <ploum> hello
[09:07] <Seveas> pune, if it is anonymous access, then just ftp://computername
[09:07] <bob2> simosx: please don't give bad advice like that
[09:08] <bob2> simosx: that has no effect on Ubuntu (or Debian)
[09:08] <ploum> I've just upgraded my old compaq Pressario from Warty to Hoary and it doesn't find the sound card :-( (sound was fine in Warty)
[09:08] <ploum> any idea ??
[09:08] <chiddy> i have my gnome system all set up, if i install kubuntu-desktop will KDE contain the programs i uninstalled under gnome in the KDE menu?
[09:08] <Seveas> nautilus might ask for your password if you use ftp://user@computername, but i'm not sure (never used it)
[09:08] <simosx> bob2, no?
[09:08] <bob2> simosx: indeed
[09:08] <crimsun> ploum: what sound card?
[09:08] <FreezerX> I ve installed mplayer (apt-get install mplayer-custom mplayer-fonts mplayer-doc) but it cant play anything http://www.coffeechat.de/mplayer.log
[09:08] <chiddy> *meant installed under gnome, not uninstalled under gnome
[09:08] <ploum> crimsun, snd_es18xx
[09:08] <Seveas> FreezerX, checkt the mplayer.conf, see is the sound device is set to esd
[09:09] <crimsun> ploum: amixer output to pastebin.com, please.
[09:09] <pune> it's telling me that the directory doesn't exist
[09:09] <pune> Seveas:it's telling me that the directory does not exist
[09:09] <knubbze> fyi
[09:09] <ploum> crimsun, it's a module issue. modprobing give, in dmesg : ESS AudioDrive ES18xx soundcard not found or device busy
[09:09] <knubbze> I'm at my 3rd beer
[09:09] <knubbze> and the level of broedmom I am experiecning
[09:09] <knubbze> is huge
[09:09] <knubbze> plz fix
[09:09] <crimsun> ploum: so insert it with the isapnp=0 parameter
[09:10] <ploum> crimsun, already done for Warty !
[09:10] <ploum> it doesn't work anymore
[09:10] <Seveas> pune, it works fine for me, so probably there is something else wrong
[09:10] <crimsun> ploum: what do you mean it doesn't work anymore?
[09:10] <Huey> when i insert a usb hard drive, dmesg shows that the device was detected and the usb-mass-storage device was created. Was this drive automatically mounted? if so, where?
[09:10] <bob2> Huey: are you using gnome?  warty?
[09:10] <pune> does the other computer need ftp installed on it?
[09:11] <crimsun> ploum: what precisely are you typing on the commandline?
[09:11] <niran> Huey, /media/usbdisk probably
[09:11] <Huey> bob2: i'm using hoary hedgehog and gnome, yeah
[09:11] <pune> Seveas:does the other computer require ftp installed onto it?
[09:11] <ploum> crimsun, modprobe snd_es18xx isapnp=0
[09:11] <niran> Huey, there should be an icon on the desktop
[09:11] <scott> anyone using gmailfs (gmail file system)?
[09:11] <Seveas> pune, it needs an ftp server...
[09:11] <peewee> hi. I know how to start daemons in gentoo (via rc-update), but how do I do the same thing in ubuntu? I need to set up sshd.
[09:11] <Huey> niran: an icon did not appear (i have no icons on my desktop), and there is no /media/usbdisk
[09:12] <peewee> any help would be greatly appreciated.
[09:12] <Seveas> pune, if the other pc is yours too, install sshd on that machine and use sftp://computername to watch it
[09:12] <crimsun> peewee: install openssh-server
[09:12] <zenrox> peewee,  in ubuntu its sudo /etc/init.d/damon start|stop|restart
[09:12] <Dreamer3> can anyone here (also) confirm that they have nvidia loaded without agpgart?
[09:12] <peewee> zenrox/crimsun: bless you.
[09:12] <Dreamer3> i try, but agpgart seems to have symbols that nvidia depends upon
[09:12] <niran> Huey, do you see an sd* in the output of "fdisk -l"
[09:12] <pune> Seveas: ok, that program sets up an ftp server?
[09:12] <Dreamer3> i'm using the nvidia-glx packages
[09:12] <Huey> niran: 'fdisk -l' has outputs nothing
[09:12] <Seveas> no pune, but an ssh server, it is more secure than ftp
[09:13] <FreezerX> Seveas, thanks, with esd mplayer plays my file :-)
[09:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: should nvidia _require_ that agpgart be loaded?
[09:13] <crimsun> ploum: lsmod output to pastebin
[09:13] <Seveas> FreezerX, yw :)
[09:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it doesn't.
[09:13] <niran> Huey, that means that the usb mass storage driver didn't recognize it
[09:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i can't modprobe it on mine without it without missing symbol errors :-/
[09:13] <niran> Huey, that has happened to me before
[09:13] <peewee> zenrox, how do I get it to automatically start upon bootup?
[09:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so i'm unique?
[09:13] <Quest-Master> -lwx_gtk2_xrc-2.4 <-- anyone know what package I should install to enable this option in GCC?
[09:14] <brian__> hey bob2
[09:14] <brian__> if u see me
[09:14] <fgx> folks in #ati told me to use "video=radeonfb:1680:1050@60" as 2.6.10 boot parameter for a 1680x1050 framebuffer. do you agree? is it safe to do that in hoary?
[09:14] <brian__> im srry
[09:14] <zenrox> peewee,  jsut reboot should start on its own if its in thare
[09:14] <Seveas> peewee, sshd starts automatically at bootup already after you have installed it
[09:14] <peewee> awesome.
[09:14] <Seveas> and you do not need to restart
[09:14] <niran> Huey, i recommend doing "modprobe -r usb-storage", removing the drive, then sticking it back in
[09:14] <Misogynist> Quest: wxWidgets and its development libraries, I'd imagine
[09:14] <Seveas> peewee, it will autostart after installation
[09:14] <monteiro> anyone has opengl working in ati with the new ubuntu ?
[09:14] <Quest-Master> Misogynist: Already have all of them.
[09:14] <brian__> bob2
[09:14] <peewee> Seveas, figured. :)
[09:14] <brian__> u there
[09:14] <Misogynist> monteiro, there's a pretty good guide on the wiki
[09:14] <Seveas> monteiro, me
[09:14] <peewee> thanks again.
[09:14] <mjr> monteiro, yes, with the free drivers
[09:15] <monteiro> mjr : it's in the repositories right ?
[09:15] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'm thinking maybe they are conflicting (althoguh in X it seems to work find and /proc says it's using nvidia's AGP)... but i'm thinking of anything and everything
[09:15] <bob2> brian__: ...
[09:15] <monteiro> Misogynist : tks :)
[09:15] <brian__> srry about that
[09:15] <monteiro> Seveas : how many fps you have on glxgears ?
[09:15] <GhostFreeman> ok
[09:15] <brian__> i soent so long downloading stuff
[09:15] <GhostFreeman> how do I do alpha transparency with x.org
[09:15] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ glxgears
[09:15] <Seveas> 3502 frames in 5.0 seconds = 700.400 FPS
[09:15] <Seveas> 4109 frames in 5.0 seconds = 821.800 FPS
[09:16] <xMaximex> I have a problem with my sound card .. when i listen music i hear some "grinsssssh" when the harddrive is working .. how could i fix that ? i don't have this problem under Winxp
[09:16] <brian__> and i cant figure out how to play it
[09:16] <nubbe> How do I set the refresh rate? I got only 60 Hz out of the box
[09:16] <Huey> niran: ok, now it's listed in 'fdisk -l', but it still doesn't seem to be auto-mounted anywhere
[09:16] <brian__> i jus got mad
[09:16] <Seveas> that is an ati radeon mobility 9600 and Pentium M 1.6 GHz
[09:16] <Misogynist> GhostFreeman: You have to load the "Composite" extension, and have applications/window managers that can make use of it. At this point, it's relatively unstable; I still wouldn't recommend it.
[09:16] <niran> Huey, try mounting it manually
[09:16] <bob2> brian__: ok, thanks for your apology
[09:16] <ploum> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/269339  (thx for your attention ;-) )
[09:16] <klaym> hello! what's the easiest way to upgrade from warty to ubuntu? any link? thanks!
[09:16] <Seveas> xMaximex, probably enabling DMA can help
[09:16] <chiddy> my glxgears: :)27518 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5503.600 FPS
[09:16] <chiddy> 32433 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6486.600 FPS
[09:16] <chiddy> 34732 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6946.400 FPS
[09:16] <sighnal> crimsun: oh my god!
[09:16] <sighnal> crimsun: the modul works!
[09:16] <Huey> i thought ubuntu auto-mounted inserted usb mass storage devices
[09:16] <sighnal> crimsun: =)
[09:16] <xMaximex> Seveas, how i do that ?
[09:16] <niran> Huey, when's the last time you restarted?
[09:16] <GhostFreeman> would transset work in its place
[09:16] <crimsun> sighnal: toldya.
[09:17] <klaym> *hello! what's the easiest way to upgrade from warty to HOARY? any link? thanks!
[09:17] <Huey> niran: this is a fresh install...
[09:17] <niran> Huey, it does, something must be wrong
[09:17] <niran> Huey, try rebooting
[09:17] <monteiro> Seveas : you play neverball for example with no breaks ?
[09:17] <brian__> so how can i find the stuff i downloaded
[09:17] <GhostFreeman> klaym: Burn a Hoary ISO, install from it
[09:17] <Seveas> xMaximex, if you want to try it out, type this in a terminal: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[09:17] <Misogynist> Yeah, you could use transset/xcompmgr, whatever, but they're basically hacks until window managers get proper support
[09:17] <Seveas> monteiro, i almost never play games, i usually stick to supertux :o)
[09:18] <niran> transset and xcompmgr are unstable and really not worth it
[09:18] <chiddy> klaym, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all instances of warty to hoary; sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:18] <crimsun> ploum: paste cat /proc/interrupts there, too
[09:18] <fran> hi people tell me somthing about this error when I do apt-get upgrade "The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package rar.
[09:18] <fran> "
[09:18] <xMaximex> Seveas, do i need to reboot ?
[09:18] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'm building nvidia from source
[09:18] <Seveas> xMaximex, if you want to make it permanent you have to edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:18] <Seveas> xMaximex, of course not :)
[09:18] <Seveas> just type the command and see if it still happens
[09:18] <monteiro> Seveas : :) good good
[09:18] <bob2> fran: sudo apt-get update
[09:18] <xMaximex> okay
[09:18] <rijad> bob2, there is no howto for ndiswrapper on ubuntulinux.org :S
[09:18] <monteiro> Seveas : what is your processor ?
[09:18] <fran> bob2 ;I've done it
[09:18] <brian__> can anyone help me wit that
[09:18] <Seveas> rijad, ndiswrapper is quite simple
[09:19] <xMaximex> to turn is off that is the command ?
[09:19] <xMaximex> -d0 :)
[09:19] <Seveas> monteiro, Pentium M 1.6 GHz (HP Compaq nc6000 laptop)
[09:19] <Seveas> xMaximex, indeed :)
[09:19] <rijad> well i had ubuntu for like 20min
[09:19] <bob2> rijad: yes there is, I gave you you the URL
[09:19] <bob2> rijad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:19] <dj28> waht kind of power management software is availible on ubuntu? which package should i install
[09:19] <monteiro> Seveas : so you've an excuse by your low fps in glxgears :)
[09:19] <rijad> " The item you requested does not exist"
[09:19] <Dreamer3> crimsun: nvidia: Unknown symbol agp_bind_memory
[09:20] <bob2> rijad: the site is broken
[09:20] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i just like 10 or these errors trying to insert it without agpgart loaded
[09:20] <crimsun> rijad: please use http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:H5lebr6jhaYJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper+ubuntulinux+ndiswrapper&hl=en
[09:20] <fran> bob2: it was working perfectly, and now says it
[09:20] <ploum> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/269342
[09:20] <rijad> thx :)
[09:21] <crimsun> ploum: do you use your parallel port?
[09:21] <ploum> crimsun, not at all
[09:21] <Quest-Master> Does absolutely anyone know how to turn on memory caching for Gnome's menus? I've asked this maybe 3 times in the past month, yet no one has an answer
[09:21] <bob2> rijad: it's being looked at
[09:21] <crimsun> ploum: try disabling it in bios.
[09:21] <bob2> Quest-Master: if no one answers here, ask on the list
[09:21] <ploum> crimsun, any idea ?
[09:21] <dhonn> it needs caching?
[09:21] <pune> Seveas: ok, i've installed the ssh, but I can't connect to the other computer
[09:21] <bob2> Quest-Master: but that doesn't sound like something that would have a config option
[09:22] <ploum> why it was working in Warty and not in Hoary ?
[09:22] <Seveas> pune, have you installed openssh-server on the other computer?
[09:22] <bob2> rijad: please don't /dcc chat or whatever people
[09:22] <dazed|> is there a way to unmount a cd rom drive EVEN if its busy???
[09:22] <crimsun> ploum: I can't tell right off; we're diagnosing, aren't we?
[09:22] <Quest-Master> bob2: Every single time I first open the Gnome main menu after booting up or something changes, it takes the menu maybe exactly 15 seconds to load
[09:22] <pune> Seveas: wait do I need the computer name?
[09:22] <Quest-Master> Much to long if you ask me
[09:22] <bob2> dazed|: kill whatever is using it
[09:22] <pune> Seveas: or the user name
[09:22] <Quest-Master> *too
[09:22] <bob2> Quest-Master: er, how would caching help in that case?
[09:22] <rijad> sorry, just exploring
[09:22] <dazed|> bob2: thats the thing i need the thing thats using it...2disc installation
[09:22] <Seveas> pune: sftp://username@computername
[09:23] <ploum> crimsun, oki ;-) reboot
[09:23] <crimsun> Quest-Master: uh, you want a "pre cache"? That makes little sense...
[09:23] <Seveas> pune: or sftp://username@ip-adress
[09:23] <bob2> dazed|: using wine?  there's some hack for that.
[09:23] <pune> Seveas: is there a way to find out the computer name?
[09:23] <dazed|> bob2: cedega but yeah...u know where its at?
[09:23] <Quest-Master> bob2, crimsun: I was just told that turning that on would clear the problem
[09:23] <Seveas> pune, just try its ip address
[09:23] <bob2> dazed|: #cedega, I guess
[09:23] <pune> Seveas: ok sure thanks
[09:23] <dazed|> no response :(
[09:23] <bob2> Quest-Master: but the person who told you this didn't know how to enable it?
[09:24] <Aladdin> hi guys
[09:24] <bob2> dazed|: you gave them money, but they won't give you help?
[09:24] <Huey> niran: i rebooted, and now even though 'fdisk -l' shows the usb hard drive as detected, it doesn't seem to be mounted anywhere; 'mount' shows nothing
[09:24] <kkamrani> hi Aladdin
[09:24] <bob2> sounds like a bad deal ;)
[09:24] <Huey> nothing related to the usb hard drive, that is
[09:24] <dazed|> theres no one around (shh...i built my own free version)
[09:24] <niran> Huey, that's odd. don't know what to tell you
[09:25] <Huey> is there an easy way to restore a user's home directory to how it was when they were first created? ] 
[09:25] <Aladdin> kkamrani, hi :)
[09:25] <Huey> that is, without using userdel followed by useradd
[09:25] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: hod did you call the exe?
[09:25] <crimsun> Quest-Master: hmm, Desktop Properties?
[09:25] <Quest-Master> bob2: They signed off before they could tell me ;)
[09:25] <niran> Huey, try running ps -ef | grep gnome-volume-manager" to see if it's running
[09:25] <crimsun> Quest-Master: I really don't know; I'm looking at Google's search results
[09:25] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, i launched the setup via cedega and it got to the point where disc 2 needs to be run...i tried mounting another drive...but it has to be the drive that disc 1 is in
[09:25] <Quest-Master> crimsun: I'm doing the same; searching through the mailing list and UbuntuForums
[09:25] <Huey> niran: yeah, it seems to be running
[09:26] <Aladdin> kkamrani, say do you know how to share a folder  using samba (server). it's already installed.
[09:26] <pune> Seveas: Sorry, how can I find out the ip address of that computer?
[09:26] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: I mean, did you cd to the directory the exe is and the "cedega file.exe"
[09:26] <niran> Huey, go to system -> preferences -> removable drives
[09:26] <niran> and make sure the right boxes are checked
[09:27] <kkamrani> Aladdin, yes and no -- i'm new to ubuntu, switched from fedora which has a gui interface for samba
[09:27] <klaym> chiddy: thanks
[09:27] <Huey> niran: "Mount removable drives when hot-plugged" is checked
[09:27] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: you have to do it like "cedega /media/cdrom/file.exe" so that you can unmount it and change the cd
[09:27] <kkamrani> Aladdin, but I know of a resource that can help you out, gimme a second
[09:27] <Quest-Master> crimsun, bob2: I thought upgrading to Hoary Final would fix it, but apparently it did not
[09:27] <rijad> woho! got it to work :) thx bob2 & crimsun
[09:27] <niran> Huey, ok something's wrong then
[09:28] <kkamrani> Aladdin, so you did a "sudo apt-get install samba smbfs" ?
[09:28] <dazed|> Fator_Dee,  ok ill give that a try
[09:28] <Aladdin> kkamrani, k. I'm using Ubuntu (gnome o'course) and I want toshare a folder in my personnal directory. The server is installed and up.  A guess? - I'm newer than you. lol
[09:28] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: ok, I hope you understood my explanations
[09:28] <Huey> niran: hmmm....when i mount it manually, the icon appears on my desktop immediately
[09:28] <pune> hey does anyone know how I can find out my ip address?
[09:28] <Seveas> pune, on the other computer type: ifconfig
[09:29] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, yeah thanks
[09:29] <pune> Seveas: thanks
[09:29] <niran> yeah, that's supposed to happen
[09:29] <Kirsch> hey guys, when i start my computer up, if I login using the GDM, GLX is disabled, if i login using the normal console, and use startx (no conf changes), then all is good, any ideas??
[09:29] <AndyR> evenin' all
[09:29] <kkamrani> Aladdin, no worries, i need to learn howto do it too in ubuntu... gimme a second while i load up the ubuntu wiki to search how to do it
[09:29] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: btw, I disabled the nvidia drivers and no lockups after that
[09:30] <Kirsch> Xorg complains about GLX not compatible with Composite.
[09:30] <Aladdin> kkamrani, k I,ll look my way too
[09:30] <klaym> so when I upgrade to hoary, all I need to do is change sources.list referations from warty to hoary and then update && upgrade? that'll do?
[09:30] <Kirsch> err, u can't enable GLX with Composite
[09:30] <Kirsch> klaym: yes
[09:30] <sighnal> grrrrrr. cant install the fglrx module from ati.com
[09:30] <Kirsch> sighnal: yea, i had a problem with that too... was pissing me off, i eventually just left...
[09:31] <Dreamer3> ok, $10 to fix my video :)
[09:31] <pune> Seveas: it's saying there's no such file or directory
[09:31] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, thats wierd cuz i enabled mine and so far so good
[09:31] <stuNNed> crimsun: why did they remove the ndiswrapper page?
[09:31] <crimsun> Kirsch: if you're referring to nvidia+nvidia_drv, you actually can but not by default
[09:31] <kkamrani> Aladdin, the wiki is slow! haha i guess a lot of people are hitting it up
[09:31] <crimsun> Kirsch: the option is documented in the readem
[09:31] <crimsun> readme^
[09:31] <Dreamer3> well, can't pipe stuff into gedit, how disappointing
[09:31] <crimsun> stuNNed: they didn't, it's having difficulties. See the topic.
[09:31] <sighnal> error in building the kernel module
[09:32] <archangel_X19> Does anyone know why my second cd drive would randomly eject throughout the day?
[09:32] <sighnal> Kirsch: u got also an error in building the module?
[09:32] <sighnal> Kirsch: (at compiling agpgart)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> archangel_X19: it doesn't like country music ? *grin*
[09:33] <Aladdin> kkamrani, :o)
[09:33] <archangel_X19> thoreauputic, how did you know I'm from virginia?
[09:33] <archangel_X19> no really
[09:33] <kkamrani> Aladdin, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[09:33] <penguin42> Hello my debian/sid to ubuntu reinstall has gone mostly very well indeed....but it didn't mount my /home raid I had previously - It gave an error during boot about /dev/md0 no such file or directory; yet it has started the raid, and /dev/md0 seems to be there now - is the write thing to manually add it to fstab - or is there a 'right' ubuntu way?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> archangel_X19: oh - I have ways :)  Version me to see !
[09:34] <Huey> niran: i guess since it's a fresh install, i can try just re-installing hoary...
[09:34] <archangel_X19> lol alright thoreauputic do you know whats going on or are you suggesting I change my game and music preference?
[09:34] <sataere> Hey everyone, I try to use adsl-setup to get my pppoe connection working, and it runs through fine and adsl-start tells me I'm connected, but I can't access the net.  :(  Any ideas?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> archangel_X19: heh - I'm ignorant on the subject, sorry :)
[09:35] <ploum_> crimsun, I've disabled parallel port but without success :-(
[09:35] <thoreauputic> archangel_X19: :)
[09:35] <niran> Huey, if it's a fresh install, that's unlikely to help. there's no option to pick that you could've messed up
[09:35] <ploum_> In fact, I can choose all settings of the sound card in the bios
[09:35] <ploum_> (IRQ, etc..)
[09:35] <crimsun> ploum_: write them down and pass those parameters to modprobe
[09:35] <archangel_X19> thoreauputic, lol its all good, I can't expect the CIA to know anything
[09:35] <onkarshinde> Has someone tried skype on Ubuntu?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> archangel_X19: hehe :)
[09:36] <ploum_> crimsun, already tried :-(
[09:36] <archangel_X19> Central Ignorance Agency
[09:36] <crimsun> ploum_: are you using ALSA in-kernel or from alsa-source?
[09:36] <archangel_X19> "Ignorance is bliss"
[09:36] <sataere> onkarshinde, I have, works like a charm.
[09:36] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, didnt work still cant unmount
[09:36] <AndyR> onkarshinde, i have it working fine on 1 box
[09:37] <onkarshinde> sataere: AndyR: What libraries are needed. It is giving me error.
[09:37] <AndyR> onkarshinde, but on this laptop i wont :(
[09:37] <onkarshinde> libXft.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:37] <ploum_> crimsun, I'm using an untouched warty upgraded to untouched hoary
[09:37] <crimsun> ploum_: so try alsa-source; it has a newer ALSA version
[09:37] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: you sure your console isn't on the directory where the cd is mounted?
[09:37] <AndyR> onkarshinde, what package did you install
[09:37] <AndyR> ?
[09:37] <Fator_Dee> or nautilus
[09:38] <archangel_X19> anybody else have a suggestion as to why my second cd drive would stick its tongue out at me?
[09:38] <ploum_> crimsun, does I have to compile the whole kernel ?
[09:38] <crimsun> ploum_: no, you compile just ALSA
[09:38] <onkarshinde> AndyR: The one with qt statically linked.
[09:38] <sataere> onkarshinde, It needs qt
[09:38] <AndyR> :)
[09:39] <crimsun> onkarshinde: install libxft1 from universe
[09:39] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, yeah
[09:39] <pune> Seveas: hey, it's saying there's no such file or directory, am I doing this right?
[09:40] <sighnal> /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/agpgart_be.c:6507: Warnung: `agp_check_supported_device' defined but not used
[09:40] <sighnal> *rrrrrrr*
[09:40] <ploum_> crimsun, the strangest thing is that it doesn't work with the warty kernel
[09:40] <Fator_Dee> dazed|: sorry, don't know what could be the matter
[09:41] <Dreamer3> anyone else here with an nvidia card using the binary driver WITHOUT apggart?
[09:41] <dazed|> Fator_Dee, im gettin some help in cedega now
[09:41] <crimsun> ploum_: does or doesn't?
[09:41] <kent> gaaah,  its impossible to edit the ubuntu wide world map. I tried before and it didn't work, and i tried now (i went to the movie between) and it didn't work.  *ggrrr*
[09:41] <sal002> Anyone here use Gambas and is able to get the Web Browser example to work?
[09:43] <xMaximex> where can i find documentation to install winex CVS and battlefield 1942 ?
[09:43] <sal002> Can I install kubuntu components in regular vanilla ubuntu?
[09:43] <H0lyD4wg> sal002, yes
[09:43] <AndyR> sal002, yes
[09:43] <pune> hello can anyone help me, i'm trying to ftp to another computer
[09:43] <AndyR> echo here :)#
[09:44] <kent> pune, whats the problem?
[09:44] <sal002> just add it to sources?
[09:44] <jesper> pune: try using ncftp from a shell
[09:44] <ploum_> crimsun, doesn't
[09:44] <^thehatsrule^> xMaximex, check transgaming.com
[09:44] <pune> Jesper: what's that now?
[09:44] <kent> pune, gftp should work for you. Its nice and a GUI.
[09:44] <Krys^^> pune,  i might be able to
[09:44] <pune> kent: that's what i've tryed to use
[09:44] <ploum_> crimsun, if it was working with the warty kernel, I would not bother you anymore ;-)
[09:44] <pune> kent: however, i don't know how to use it
[09:44] <seven_six_two> what program do you use in gnome to burn a dvd iso?
[09:45] <seven_six_two> i used k3b before
[09:45] <Ex-Cyber> I'm having a problem with my system shutting down, I get a message along the lines of "Critical temperature reached (59 C), shutting down"... what temperature is this, and (where) can I configure the shutdown threshhold?
[09:45] <ploum_> crimsun, it was working when I was in Warty. But it's not working in Hoary with the old kernel still available in grub
[09:45] <AndyR> seven_six_two, in nautilus burn:///
[09:45] <kent> pune, why does it not work with gftp? Just enter the host, etc in the fields on the top. Port is usually 21 if you did not know. And username (if you dont have one) is usually anonymous, password could be anything. :)
[09:45] <seven_six_two> that'll burn a dvd iso? where are the options set?
[09:45] <crimsun> ploum_: does it work with any of the newer kernels in Hoary?
[09:46] <AndyR> seven_six_two, or right click the iso and burn image
[09:46] <ploum_> crimsun, I haven't seen other kernel. I will look...
[09:46] <seven_six_two> cool. thanks
[09:46] <Frafra> i've installed enlightement
[09:46] <H0lyD4wg> How do I tell Gnome to run the contents of ~/.fehbg when starting a session? I've tried putting [sh -c 'eval `cat ~/.fehbg`']  in the third tab of the session manager, but it didn't do what i wanted it to.
[09:46] <Frafra> but there isn't in gdm
[09:46] <crimsun> ploum_: 2.6.10-5-...
[09:46] <pune> kent:well, isn't the username and password the user and pass on the other computer?
[09:46] <Frafra> for start it?
[09:46] <xMaximex> no doc on transgaming website
[09:46] <^thehatsrule^> yes there is, how to install winex
[09:47] <ploum_> crimsun, I'm using this one !
[09:47] <^thehatsrule^> then you install hte game after
[09:47] <Jaromba> If I want a dual-boot system can I install the bootloader on the root partition, without overwriting the MBR?
[09:47] <Frafra> who can help me???
[09:47] <kent> pune, yes. the other computer is configured for a user/password. is it your computer? It has to have a ftp-server, etc.
[09:47] <crimsun> ploum_: huh. I thought you meant that you hadn't used the new one.
[09:47] <ploum_> crimsun, I've also tried the 2.6.8 from Warty, still available
[09:47] <superted> I just installed hoary and totem plays mpeg's in x2 speed, any idea why?
[09:47] <penguin42> Jaromba: I'm fairly sure it asked me that during install
[09:47] <H0lyD4wg> Ex-Cyber, are your fans broken?
[09:47] <crimsun> ploum_: I'm sorry, but I need to leave. I'll be back later if you'd like to troubleshoot.
[09:47] <sataere> Frafra, you could try killing gdm, logging in from a prompt and then starting it with startx
[09:47] <ploum_> crimsun, sorry, my english is not perfect. I've tried both
[09:47] <Ex-Cyber> H0lyD4wg: not as far as I can tell
[09:48] <Jaromba> Thanks penguin42
[09:48] <ploum_> crimsun, lot of thanks for your time :-)
[09:48] <pune> kent:yeah, i think it has an ftp server installed
[09:48] <ploum_> have a good day
[09:48] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmm
[09:49] <Dreamer3> i see (II) Open APM successful, (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x1024" when i switch BACK to X, but nothing useful about switching away and why that sin't working
[09:49] <H0lyD4wg> Ex-Cyber, do you have any guess about why $component heats up so much?
[09:49] <Ex-Cyber> H0lyD4wg: I don't even know the value of $component, so 1) I don't even know if that's really a "critical" temperature, and 2) I have nowhere to begin to figure out why it would be getting that hot
[09:49] <kent> pune, "think"? Is it your computer? Then you can perhaps install ssh and login and check if it has an ftp-server? But either way, enter the hostname in the field for that, 21 in the port-field, your username in username-filed etc, it should work.  Do you get any errors?
[09:49] <penguin42> wehey! I found focus-follows-mouse - almost happy
[09:50] <flipy> any good wireless status monitor?
[09:51] <penguin42> anyone for my software raid question - what is the Ubuntu way of saying I'd like that mounted - is just editing fstab like I would on any other distro ok?
[09:52] <H0lyD4wg> Ex-Cyber, if it's really 59c, you can find out by leaving the case open and touching various components immediatly after getting this warning. the one that gives you burns is probably it.
[09:52] <AstralJava> penguin42: At least that works. :)
[09:52] <xMaximex> does anyone tryied to install WineX CVS under ubuntu ?? and succeed :)
[09:52] <pere> How do I get 3D support under Hoary for my ATI 9800-card?
[09:52] <H0lyD4wg> How do I tell Gnome to run the contents of ~/.fehbg when starting a session? I've tried putting [sh -c 'eval `cat ~/.fehbg`']  in the third tab of gnome-session-properties, but it didn't do what i wanted it to.
[09:52] <penguin42> AstralJava, Well yeh - I just thought since it had spotted md0 in the boot process and complained that there maybe something else going on
[09:52] <samuel> is it possible to use the win32 codecs in totem-gstreamer or do you have to use totem-xine?
[09:53] <H0lyD4wg> (without the brackets, of course)
[09:53] <pune> kent: ok, hold on
[09:53] <mjr> samuel, no, you have to
[09:53] <pere> When I run glxgears I get: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". and about 1000 frames... I guess this means 3d is not working...
[09:53] <Ex-Cyber> H0lyD4wg: 59C isn't hot enough to burn
[09:53] <mjr> I'm sure somebody will at some point kludge together a win32 codec plugin for gstreamer, but such a thing hasn't happened
[09:53] <samuel> mjr, do you happen to know what i may need for mp3 on totem-xine?
[09:54] <penguin42> pere: Yeh sounds like it - and if you do glxinfo it probably says no to rendering direct
[09:54] <H0lyD4wg> Ex-Cyber, well, it's hot enough to be felt afair.
[09:54] <jr_G-man> pere:  do "sudo apt-get install fglrx"
[09:54] <jr_G-man> then, get the driver from ati.com....
[09:54] <mjr> samuel, the changelog says "Remove internal libmad support and patch to use external libmad library. Please install libmad0 to restore support for restricted formats."
[09:54] <pere> penguin you are right
[09:54] <jr_G-man> and extract just the 'fglrxconfig' file
[09:55] <Epicenter> How is NTFS Write support at the moment>?
[09:55] <jr_G-man> and run it to get a valid xorg.conf file
[09:55] <mjr> samuel, if you have libmad0, I guess it should work then; if it doesn't, file a bug on libxine1, I suppose
[09:55] <jr_G-man> and restart x
[09:55] <jr_G-man> or reboot
[09:55] <AstralJava> Epicenter: As usual, not recommendable. :)
[09:55] <Epicenter> After a fresh install of Hoary will I be able to write to NTFS partitions or will I caue the apocalypse?
[09:55] <Epicenter> *cae
[09:55] <samuel> mjr, thanks
[09:55] <Epicenter> *Cause what the hell
[09:55] <Huey> niran: hmm....a re-install worked...i must have screwed something up earlier somehow
[09:56] <jr_G-man> ntfs writing is still iffy
[09:56] <CB201> can someone tell me home to set up quicktime on ubuntu?
[09:56] <pune> kent: when you say "your username", for which computer do you mean, the one I'm trying to connect to or the one i'm connecting from?
[09:56] <xMaximex> does anyone tryied to install WineX CVS under ubuntu ?? and succeed :)
[09:56] <bluefoxicy> CB201:  install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[09:56] <bluefoxicy> and you should be good to go
[09:56] <pere> jr_G-man: Im getting Could not find pagcage fglrx when running apt-get...
[09:57] <carthik> xMaximex, I think no one has... which is why there has been no reply yet
[09:57] <Ex-Cyber> H0lyD4wg: anyway, it seems like I should be able to find out from the system what it is measuring
[09:57] <Sumido_> About gstreamer0.8: It gives me lines in the movie . . . In all movies
[09:57] <Ex-Cyber> H0lyD4wg: if that can't be determined, the system has no business initiating a shutdown
[09:57] <Sumido_> Those decoders don't work for me :S
[09:57] <Krys^^> pune, connecting to
[09:57] <kent> pune, the username for the one you are connecting to, and not the username for the local computer.
[09:57] <Sumido_> VLC works like a charm though
[09:57] <onkarshinde> What package do I need to play mpg movies in totem?
[09:58] <CB201> bluefoxicy: will I be able to open mpgs in firefox with gstreamer?
[09:58] <carthik> Epicenter, it should "just work" at most you will have to change permissions in /etc/fstab
[09:58] <H0lyD4wg> Ex-Cyber, the system knows, no question about that. but I don't >_>
[09:58] <bluefoxicy> CB201:  no, look for mplayerplug-in
[09:58] <julipanno> Why do I only get two choices when i right-click in the menu and select entire folder? I wish to add a new launcher but that is not an alternative.. Please help. Thanks.
[09:58] <carthik> bluefoxicy, but that should be for mplayer, not gstreamer, right?
[09:58] <bluefoxicy> mozilla-mplayer, there it is
[09:58] <bluefoxicy> carthik: right.
[09:58] <bluefoxicy> I don't think there's a mozilla gstreamer plugin
[09:59] <Ex-Cyber> I have had problems with my CPU "overheating", but I think that was a sensor calibration problem
[09:59] <mainer> win32codecs from marillat,i think
[09:59] <carthik> CB201, i use mplayer (gmplayer) and the mplayer plugins and i can play everything, everywhere
[09:59] <CB201> okay...
[09:59] <Ex-Cyber> as I reinstalled the fansink several times and couldn't get it to read any lower than about 60C at boot
[09:59] <carthik> julipanno, so you want to add a new item to hte main menus, is that right?
[09:59] <julipanno> yes,
[10:00] <Epicenter> carthik: But will writing to an NTFS disk destroy my data? :P
[10:00] <kro> Will package updates for hoary go into hoary-updates and hoary-security?
[10:00] <kro> whats the point of 2 repositories?
[10:00] <carthik> julipanno, http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[10:01] <julipanno> thank you
[10:01] <carthik> Epicenter, hasn't happened to me, not yet
[10:01] <Sumido_> CB201: I use VLC. Also plays anything and has a nice gnome frontend
[10:01] <Epicenter> carthik: That's more reassuring then. Thanks.
[10:01] <carthik> kro, security is "special" sort of....
[10:01] <carthik> Epicenter, i would back up if in doubt :)
[10:01] <H0lyD4wg> How do I tell Gnome to run the contents of ~/.fehbg when starting a session? I've tried putting [sh -c 'eval `cat ~/.fehbg`']  (w/o the brackets) in the third tab of gnome-session-properties, but it didn't do what i wanted it to.
[10:02] <kro> carthik: How so?  Are both repositories going to be used though?
[10:02] <carthik> kro, both are used , yes...
[10:02] <kent> Couldn't the Ubuntu Wide World-image use the database of hwdb instead? it seems that the wiki is hard to edit (it fails for me all the time, and if two persons cant edit at the same time.. it seems like it will stay that way for some time..).
[10:02] <carthik> security updates are special since some organizations etc might want to update security periodically, but not everything else, I guess
[10:02] <Epicenter> UGGHHH, how the HELL can I resize this partition to add an EXT3 one if Windows put reserved system files RIGHT AT THE END OF THE DISK?!
[10:03] <jr_G-man> pere...so am I.  My bad.  See if you can find it via Synaptic
[10:03] <kro> So with warty there are packages sitting in both warty-security and warty-updates?
[10:03] <carthik> Epicenter, use that as an excuse to "boot" all of windows :P
[10:03] <vessuvius81> I'm trying to install my wireless card, and I need some header files to get it to work... but my /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386 directory does not have a "build" folder under it... is there a place I can download the kernel header files?
[10:03] <monteiro> vessuvius81 : synaptic :)
[10:03] <Epicenter> carthik: I would if I didn't lose 75 GB of data in the process
[10:03] <ogra> kent, hwdb doesnt collect such information....no personal data at all....
[10:03] <Epicenter> carthik: and if I had that many CD-R's to back it all up. and I don't
[10:04] <timmow> vessuvius81 apt-get install linux-headers
[10:04] <jr_G-man> writing to an NTFS file structure CAN destroy your data
[10:04] <jr_G-man> WILL it?  can't tell until you try it
[10:04] <carthik> Epicenter, a external USB HD drive should come in handy...
[10:05] <timmow> I used qtparted from knoppix to resize my partition, didn't need a defrag
[10:05] <xMaximex> how do i execute a command after gnome is loaded ?
[10:05] <Epicenter> carthik: Closest thing I have is a 20gb iPod
[10:05] <carthik> Epicenter, i hear ya.
[10:05] <Epicenter> carthik: and I am very very poor
[10:05] <sighnal> ok.
[10:05] <carthik> xMaximex, what exactly do you want to execue?
[10:05] <xMaximex> carthik: hotkeys .. for my logitech keyboard
[10:05] <kent> ogra, but a world wide map of computers running ubuntu would be as cool as a map of persons loving it, /me thinks.
[10:05] <sighnal> fglrx, 2.6.12-rc2 dont work.
[10:06] <carthik> vessuvius81, apt-get install the kernel-headers package corresponding to the version of linux lkernel image you ahve installed - it is easy to find out with synaptic
[10:06] <kagou> sound don't work after upgrade, the /etc/modules have been manually modified, so my question is how to re-generate a "clean" /etc/modules like a clean installation with hoary
[10:06] <pere> jr_G_man: Found it (xorg-driver-fglrx), but when I visit ATI, I only find an rpm-file.. Can I extract the file from this?
[10:06] <seven_six_two> AndyR, thanks for the tip. I hope it worked. Nautilus works, but doesn't have anything good going for it. I did md5 sum manually, and don't know how to verify the burn
[10:06] <ogra> kent, but then i would have to collect information about the location....which brings me near legal problems :)
[10:07] <Ex-Cyber> so can I disable this thermal shutdown mechanism somehow? IIRC the northbridge has one configured by the BIOS anyway, and it's not as though the Linux one is actually shutting down cleanly so I don't see what the disadvantage is
[10:07] <xMaximex> carthik, so ?
[10:07] <carthik> xMaximex, sorry, you can execute a command using the gnome-terminal ?
[10:08] <kent> ogra, *bummer* ;)  Perhaps next release could add an "register" button, which only states that the information will be used for cool purposes and nothing else ;)
[10:08] <xMaximex> carthik, i want to load it automaticly after gnome is loaded
[10:08] <xMaximex> autostart
[10:08] <bpuccio> xMaximex: go to system, then prefs then sessions
[10:09] <bpuccio> xMaximex: then you want to add something under the startup program tab
[10:09] <jr_G-man> pere:  yes, just use "archive manager", it should read it and allow you to extract to whereever you want
[10:09] <onkarshinde> Can anyone please help me with Modem Lights applet?
[10:09] <xMaximex> bpuccio, i dont see statup tab
[10:09] <carthik> xMaximex, try System->Preferences->Sessions->Startup Programs
[10:09] <jr_G-man> just extract that one file "fglrxconfig' to somewhere temporarily and then move it over
[10:09] <xMaximex> bpuccio, ok i found it
[10:09] <ogra> kent, tha would be a second program.... but i'm thinking about a userinterface for popcon.ubuntu.com for breezy....similar to hwdb....
[10:10] <jr_G-man> if you want, you can do "sudo alien filename.rpm" and it will creat a .deb out of it
[10:10] <bpuccio> xMaximex: cool, just add the command to run there and you should be good to go
[10:10] <carthik> There should be a ubuntu users worldwide database where people can voluntarily submit their info...
[10:10] <onkarshinde> anybody who can help me about modem lights?
[10:10] <bpuccio> carthik: hmm, think we can call it uunet -- ubuntu users network?
[10:11] <carthik> yeah, or globuntu lol
[10:11] <onkarshinde> Why do I need root privileges to access modem monitor?
[10:11] <carthik> and use the flash-based thingy to display locations...
[10:11] <bpuccio> carthik: you the WP carthik?
[10:11] <carthik> bpuccio, yes, that is so
[10:11] <CB> okay
[10:12] <bpuccio> carthik: nice to meet you, thanks for all the work you've put in over there
[10:12] <carthik> bpuccio, where are you at? blog?
[10:12] <bpuccio> carthik: http://brianpuccio.net/  very under construction
[10:12] <Orbo> howdy, anyone else have problems with totem and dvd playback?
[10:12] <wjesusaxl> hey you guys do you know what channel is in spanish?
[10:12] <Orbo> it works, but it's so choppy
[10:12] <libben> Orbo,  no
[10:12] <CB> I installed mozilla-plugin-vlc to play mpeg videos
[10:12] <bpuccio> Orbo: have you enabled DMA?
[10:12] <CB> now I get video, but no sound
[10:12] <Orbo> I read about taht somewhere else, bpuccio
[10:13] <carthik> bpuccio, glad to meet you - Idont do much these days, sadly :(
[10:13] <CB> is it a problem with the configuration of VLC?
[10:13] <Orbo> is that required?
[10:13] <libben> Orbo, type sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[10:13] <libben> if hdc is ur cdplayer
[10:13] <bpuccio> carthik: more then me, that's for sure, every bit counts
[10:13] <libben> ment dvd reader/burneer
[10:13] <carthik> wjesusaxl, #ubuntu-es
[10:13] <wjesusaxl> thanks
[10:13] <Orbo> libben, output in floood?
[10:13] <carthik> bpuccio, you are too kind :)
[10:14] <simplex3> Has anyone else had font-size issues after installing the nvidia binary drivers?
[10:14] <Orbo> using_dma = 0 (off)
[10:14] <simplex3> All of the sudden all my X fonts are twice as large on screen as they used to be.  I moved back to the nv driver and it went back to normal.
[10:14] <Orbo> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:14] <xMaximex> is there another apps than hotkeys to enable media keys for logitech access keyboard ?
[10:14] <fgx> why is /dev/fb0 disabled from default?
[10:14] <bpuccio> Orbo:  try to sudo that
[10:15] <Orbo> already did
[10:15] <Orbo> okay
[10:15] <Orbo> its on now
[10:15] <Orbo> apparently
[10:15] <Orbo> bpuccio, go to #flood
[10:15] <ploum_> xMaximex, if you use xmms or beep-media-player, there's the itouch plugin
[10:16] <libben> Orbo, what is ur dvdplayer mounted as?
[10:16] <libben> hdc ?
[10:16] <CB> is there a better mpeg player plugin for mozilla than mozilla-plugin-vlc?
[10:16] <libben> type mount
[10:16] <Orbo> yeah, its linked to /dev/cdrom
[10:16] <xMaximex> ploum, i use beep-media-player .. what is the name of the package ?
[10:16] <libben> Orbo, so on first line it says hdc?
[10:16] <libben> type this in irc.
[10:17] <ploum_> http://pr.fritalk.com/bmp/  bmp-itouch
[10:17] <libben>  /exec -o mount | grep hdc
[10:17] <ploum_> not avalaibale in hoary
[10:17] <ploum_> but compiled by me and a friend for Hoary
[10:17] <Orbo> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=cam)
[10:17] <ploum_> (you will maybe need to take the bmp package also)
[10:17] <libben> Orbo, type in bash. sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[10:18] <libben> it will turn on DMA mode on ur dvd ...
[10:18] <libben> and it will not stutter when u okay it
[10:18] <alterim> can someone help me with an error when trying to install mplayer-586 through synaptic?
[10:18] <helio7> fastest way to upgrade from warty to hoary is just to change /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade right?
[10:18] <CB> is there a better mpeg player plugin for mozilla than mozilla-plugin-vlc?
[10:18] <alterim> can someone help me with an error when trying to install mplayer-586 through synaptic?
[10:19] <Orbo> libben
[10:19] <Orbo> still nothing
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> alterim: tell the error and someone will help if can
[10:19] <alterim> mplayer-586:
[10:19] <libben> ?
[10:19] <alterim>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[10:19] <alterim>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[10:19] <libben> u can play the dvd ?
[10:19] <Orbo> I can play it fine
[10:19] <alterim> it is saying the above packages are unresolvable
[10:19] <Orbo> its just choppy as hell
[10:19] <alterim> ie no in the repository
[10:19] <alterim> but i am simply following the wiki
[10:20] <alterim> and i have all repositories on
[10:20] <bpuccio> Orbo: hmmm, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2005-March/000626.html looks like maybe a module ordering issue?
[10:20] <libben> Orbo, did it say DMA on when u typed "sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc"
[10:20] <libben> ?
[10:20] <helll> hey guys i am just about to install hoary 64bit and i was wondering what should i partition my harddrive like?? like ohw buch boot, how much swap, how much /, ect...
[10:20] <xMaximex> ploum_, i installed the bmp-itouch package .. but media key doesn't work
[10:20] <carthik> alterim, if you wouldnt mind compiling from source, there is a great howto at the forums...
[10:20] <libben> helio7,
[10:20] <libben> helll,
[10:20] <alterim> so i have to compile from source?
[10:20] <alterim> hmm
[10:20] <alterim> i thought installing mplayer was simple
[10:20] <helll> libben: yes?
[10:20] <libben> only make 2 partitions... one swap...  and one ext3
[10:21] <carthik> helll, 500 MB boot, about 5 Gigs for /, rest for /home ?
[10:21] <Orbo> libben, it tries to set it, then tells me the operation is not permitted, then tells me 'using_dma = 0 (off)
[10:21] <helll> libben: there needs to be a boot
[10:21] <alterim> helll, let ubuntu partitioner automatically partition for you
[10:21] <libben> hell nope =)
[10:21] <libben> helll, make a boot then on 500 if u want to
[10:21] <thoreauputic> alterim: it's in multiverse on hoary now, so there might be a conflict with the marillat sources
[10:21] <helll> alterim: it doesnt want to do it correctly..always stalls at boot
[10:21] <libben> Orbo, did u type SUDO before the commad?
[10:21] <carthik> having a seperate /home helps if you want to re-install or install a new OS without losing data... libben
[10:21] <libben> u need to have super user priviliges to do that command
[10:21] <libben> carthik, i know all that
[10:22] <libben> but for normal single user.
[10:22] <Orbo> libben, of course
[10:22] <libben> its not really needed
[10:22] <alterim> oh shall i disable the marillat repos temporarily?
[10:22] <ploum_> xMaximex, you have to enable and configure it in Beep-Media-Player
[10:22] <ploum_> Plugins -> General
[10:22] <thoreauputic> alterim: might be worth a shot
[10:22] <carthik> libben, that would have saved me trouble if I had know...(that a seperate /home/ makes sense) ... acouple years ago... :)
[10:22] <thoreauputic> alterim: if you're on hoary
[10:23] <alterim> trying...
[10:23] <xMaximex> ploum_, it's not in the list
[10:23] <alterim> hey man that worked
[10:23] <alterim> nice one thor
[10:23] <libben> carthik, u should need alot of space for that =)
[10:23] <alterim> (change that name)
[10:23] <ploum_> xMaximex, I know why !
[10:23] <libben> Orbo, its and -d1 not a -dL
[10:23] <thoreauputic> alterim: I get it right occasionally ;-)
[10:23] <libben> 1 as in numero uno
[10:23] <ploum_> The easiest way is to install the beep-media-player also provided
[10:24] <xMaximex> what do you mean ?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> alterim: tab complete my nick - it's easier that way
[10:24] <Orbo> libben, i know that...
[10:24] <alterim> oh yeah
[10:24] <ploum_> to download and install the beep-media-player package available on pr.fritalk.com/bmp
[10:24] <libben> and u still havent got it to dma on
[10:24] <alterim> how does it know what name to spew
[10:24] <xMaximex> ho ok
[10:24] <alterim> when i press tab
[10:24] <xMaximex> i try it
[10:24] <Orbo> libben, no
[10:24] <carthik> alterim, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 worked for me...
[10:24] <alterim> oh, the last person that does it to me
[10:25] <alterim> nice touch
[10:25] <thoreauputic> alterim: dunno - same as bash I guess
[10:25] <ploum_> xMaximex, it's a most recent and least buggy version
[10:25] <cartman> in hoary resolv.conf gets overwritten with some interval due to dhcpcd I guess
[10:25] <alterim> thoreauputic: yeah that's a big help
[10:25] <cartman> is there a way to disable it?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> alterim: :)
[10:25] <xMaximex> ploum_, that works
[10:26] <libben> Orbo, hmm... hard one.
[10:26] <CB> I just tried using the mplayer-plugin for mozilla
[10:26] <CB> for an mpeg file
[10:26] <CB> I got video
[10:26] <libben> dont know what causes it to set it
[10:26] <CB> but no sound
[10:26] <CB> any suggestions?
[10:26] <jinXKat_> turn up the volume
[10:27] <CB> ...
[10:27] <carthik> CB, thats 'cause the ESD (sound daemon) is not being used by mplayer-plugin
[10:27] <carthik> perhaps
[10:27] <carthik> cb, can you hear any sounds at all? from other apps etc?
[10:27] <CB> yes
[10:27] <alterim> carthik: that howto is too indepth for me
[10:27] <carthik> mplayer should have an option to change the audio output driver to ESD
[10:28] <carthik> alterim, but it works just fine :)
[10:28] <alterim> carthik: i don't want to build from source if i don't have to :)
[10:28] <CB> checking the man page right now...
[10:28] <carthik> alterim, I understand that...
[10:28] <alterim> so does installing mplayer-586 from synpatic :)
[10:28] <libben> Orbo, open up /etc/hdparm.conf and add that cdrom line at the bottom... there is one in there allready that is commented out... just uncom it and change it for ur /dev/hdc and reboot
[10:28] <carthik> CB, or do what I do... I kill esd to see if everything works...
[10:28] <libben> that should fix it
[10:28] <ploum_> xMaximex, are you happy ?
[10:29] <carthik> and then I stop using esd, and use ALSA or the OGG drive instead... settings can be changes using System->Preferences I think
[10:29] <libben> u must use su with it
[10:29] <carthik> CB ^^
[10:29] <Quest-Master> What program can I use to theme QT under Gnome?
[10:29] <xMaximex> ploum_, that doen't work at all .. i'll try to fix that later, got to go. But thank you for the help !
[10:29] <ogra> CB, it will use the settings in ~/.mplayer/config i guess..... set the audio output to esd
[10:29] <ploum_> xMaximex, you are welcome...
[10:29] <ploum_> sorry
[10:29] <ogra> carthik, urg
[10:30] <CB> I set it to esd in the cli, still no sound when I stream via mozilla
[10:30] <carthik> ogra, i'm sorry, i didn't quite get that ... ?
[10:31] <andysl> bob2:  Do you know anything about UIM?
[10:31] <andysl> o_O
[10:31] <ogra> carthik, i was wondering why you suggest killing esd....
[10:31] <andysl> Actually, does anyone period lol ;;
[10:32] <helio7> Hmm the "sample" file from the ubuntuguide.org is offline... what else is missing I'm upgrading from Warty to Hoary, and "replace" (as per step 4 on http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories ) is there anything else necessary in the sources.list file besides that block that you're supposed to add?
[10:32] <alterim> in the ubuntuguide.org it says i can goto Applications > System Tools > Menu Editor, but that does not exist
[10:32] <alterim> any ideas?
[10:32] <andysl> alterm
[10:32] <andysl> alterim u have to install that
[10:32] <ogra> carthik, since all apps are set to it by default, you have a lot to fix afterwards....
[10:32] <alterim> hmm
[10:32] <alterim> the guide says nothing about installing that
[10:32] <andysl> aterim jsut apt get it
[10:32] <ogra> carthik, .... would be easier to point the app t use esd :)
[10:32] <andysl> alterim: Hence why it is the Un-official guide ;)
[10:32] <carthik> ogra, just so I can see if mplayer works , and if it is the esd problem indeed. of course i bring it back to life immediately after :)
[10:32] <andysl> alterim: ^_^
[10:33] <thoreauputic> alterim: it's a gnome thing - they didn't get it in for 2.10
[10:33] <ogra> carthik, ah...
[10:33] <whiskers> man that is really something...ubuntu is ranking #1 on distrowatch at the web
[10:33] <alterim> oh right
[10:33] <carthik> ogra, for some reason, my mplayer could not use esd first, and i was a newbie then (As I quite am now)
[10:33] <andysl> alterim:  wget http://myosc.org/ubuntuguide/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:33] <alterim> whats it's package name
[10:33] <andysl> alterim: dpkg -i menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:33] <alterim> can i not use synaptic
[10:33] <alterim> ?
[10:33] <CB> carthik, I'm totally new to linux and mplayer
[10:33] <thoreauputic> alterim: not for that one
[10:33] <icerogu1> i have an issue of my nic doent reseive dhcp under hoary but it does under windows, any ideas?
[10:34] <ogra> carthik, hmm, ao=esd or ao=esound should do it iirc....
[10:34] <CB> carthik, can you tell me *exactly* what you did to get mplayer to use esd?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: use sudo dpkg -i <nameof app >
[10:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: tab complete the deb name of course :)
[10:34] <andysl> Anyone know how to get UIM to work with Korean input?
[10:34] <alterim> thoreauputic: that's confusing
[10:34] <alterim> thoreauputic: why did you just tell me thatr
[10:35] <Okt> ok I am back and looking for some more help, this time on colpining a program called PearPC.
[10:35] <carthik> ogra, mpegp, oss, null and pcm were the only available drivers... so setting it to use esd did not work for me - I should have typed this long answer before , my apologies :)
[10:35] <alterim> thoreauputic: surely i need to download the app first, as andysl just saud
[10:35] <whiskers> if i go get a deb file...what directory does dpkg look for the deb files
[10:35] <thoreauputic> alterim: are you not wanting to install the menu-editor?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> alterim: of course, yes
[10:35] <alterim> yes i am, but you just gave me the command to install something that i don't have local
[10:35] <alterim> thoreauputic: which is misleading advice
[10:36] <thoreauputic> alterim: hmm... I assumed you understood that wget downloads the deb
[10:36] <andysl> alterim:  He assumed you had downloaded the program that I had directed you to.
[10:36] <ogra> carthik, na, youre more i supportig people then i am, my apologizes for distrubig :)
[10:36] <andysl> alterim:  That's all ;)
[10:36] <alterim> i see
[10:36] <alterim> so, where does wget download to?
[10:36] <andysl> alterim:  current directory ;)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> alterim: clearly I need to be on my toes with you, Sir ;)
[10:36] <alterim> i see
[10:36] <Zugot> if i downloaded the current 2.6 kernel from kernel.org, are there any patches i will need to apply to make it work with the ubuntu boot process?
[10:37] <andysl> alterim:  i.e., open a terminal - run the wget cmd, and then run dpkg to install it ;)
[10:37] <alterim> yeah i know i've done it all now
[10:37] <andysl> alterim:  Now, the Menu Editor or whatever it was called should be there and you should be all set...
[10:37] <andysl> alterim:  Ubuntu ROCKS! :)
[10:37] <thoreauputic> alterim: are you always this abrasive? You must lead a difficult life...
[10:37] <carthik> CB, in a minute, if you havent found the answer yet
[10:38] <carthik> ogra, I can't thank you enough for the work you put in, so there! :)
[10:38] <CB> argh
[10:38] <alterim> thoreauputic: so must you if you feel compelled to point that out
[10:38] <CB> okay
[10:38] <whiskers> wget doesn't work here at all...says host not found
[10:38] <CB> so
[10:38] <ogra> carthik, thanks :)
[10:38] <andysl> You guys quit arguing :/  Ubuntu makes people happy!  If it doesn't make you happy enough try playing one of the games ;)
[10:38] <CB> I switched the audio driver to ESD, but still no sound
[10:38] <alterim> thanks, i've installed menueditor successfully
[10:38] <andrewski> so i just installed kde and it freezes on startup (i see the progress bar and icons for the splash screen on a grey background).  how can i fix this?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> aalterim. OK don't expect any further help from this quarter.
[10:38] <whiskers> if we just go get a deb file what directory should we put it in to use dpkg with it
[10:39] <hilz> HI all...
[10:39] <hilz> I just downloaded the install CD
[10:39] <hilz> and it won't boot
[10:39] <alterim> haha. what a twat
[10:39] <alterim> anyway, thanks peeps
[10:39] <hilz> isn't it bootable?
[10:39] <onkarshinde> whiskers: You can use it from any directory
[10:39] <andysl> You guys, please stop arguing. :/
[10:39] <andrewski> hilz: yes, is your bios cd bootable?
[10:39] <pere> Im trying to use the fglrx-driver with my ati-card, but it freezes. Any ideas?
[10:39] <hilz> yes
[10:39] <andysl> hilz:  You'll need to go to your bios configuration...
[10:39] <hilz> the CD is the first in the boot sequence
[10:40] <whiskers> onkarshinde, oh that is great
[10:40] <carthik> CB, when you start up gmplayer, try accessing the options... then go "Audio". There should be esd, or esound listed as an option...
[10:40] <andysl> hilz:  Quite strange - I haven't encountered that problem with the ISO...
[10:40] <carthik> CB, I was searching for something usefl i had read at the forums but cant find it.. but the answer is there for you to find... :)
[10:40] <hilz> i'll try to download again...
[10:40] <onkarshinde> whiskers: Only you need root previliges to install it using dpkg
[10:41] <hilz> maybe something went wrong in the download or the burning
[10:41] <hilz> thanks anyway
[10:41] <carthik> CB, that is in case you, like me, do not find that ESD is an option in mplayer's options...
[10:41] <andysl> hilz...
[10:41] <CB> nope
[10:41] <andysl> Try putting the CD in, in whatever OS you are in right now, and 'explore' the CD...
[10:41] <CB> carthik, it's in the options
[10:41] <ogra> hilz, its very important to burn bootables as slow as you can....
[10:41] <andysl> hilz:  Make sure you see a bunch of folders, for instance, isolinux (or something like that) should be a folder...
[10:41] <kev0r> anyone any experiance with connecting an external USB2 drive, saying permission denied
[10:41] <kev0r> on HOary here
[10:41] <andysl> hilz:  Make sure you don't just see 1 file (.iso)
[10:41] <truz24> is there anyway to span one mountpoint over several physical discs ?
[10:41] <carthik> CB, great! select that, and restart gmplayer, and you will b good to go
[10:42] <kev0r> tried xs-ing it as root, didn't work though
[10:42] <onkarshinde> Please help me with Modem Monitor applet. It says I need root privileges.
[10:42] <whiskers> hmm...i don't see that menueditor file anywhere on the web and wget can't find host either
[10:42] <dualm> hello all
[10:42] <ogra> hilz, if it boots, it has a check option, to check the media...look in the help of the bootscreen...
[10:42] <CB> carthik, still no worky
[10:43] <dualm> I am dowloading hoary, How to ask bittorent to exit after download, it keeps on uploading even after the download is complete
[10:43] <onkarshinde> I KNOW THIS IS SHOUTING> WILL SOMEONE HELP ME?
[10:43] <carthik> CB, uh oh... can you check if it does use ESD now, by looking up the options?
[10:43] <CB> carthik, but I'm wondering why the volume is set to 0 every time I restart mplayer...could that have something to do with it?
[10:43] <trygvebw-away> Hi, what's the linux-restricted-modules-amd64-generic package called in Ubuntu Hoary?
[10:43] <CB> carthik, yes, it's there in the options
[10:44] <sal002> Any ubuntu packages (or kubuntu) install lib.gb.qt.kde.html?
[10:44] <whiskers> synaptic can't find menueditor either...are you sure that file is spelled right
[10:44] <truz24> is there anyway to span one mountpoint over several physical discs ?
[10:44] <penguin42> truz24: Yes, lvm can do that
[10:44] <truz24> man lvm ?
[10:44] <carthik> CB, try increasing the volume on gmplayer ....
[10:44] <ogra> trygvebw-away, its called linux-restricted-modules-amd64-generic
[10:44] <mjr> also raid, but yes, lvm is more flexible
[10:44] <trygvebw-away> :P
[10:44] <trygvebw-away> ok, i'll try again :)
[10:44] <CB> carthik, I do
[10:44] <ogra> trygvebw-away, how else should it be called ;)
[10:45] <CB> carthik, but it resets every time
[10:45] <carthik> CB, you could perhaps read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20159 and pick something up from there
[10:45] <trygvebw-away> no idea, but apt-cache couldnt find it :)
[10:45] <mjr> truz24, google for LVM and Software-RAID HOWTOs
[10:45] <trygvebw-away> ahhh... i didn't have restricted
[10:45] <truz24> thx mjr
[10:45] <trygvebw-away> thanks for your help :)
[10:45] <ogra> lol
[10:45] <whiskers> andysl, are you sure that file is spelled right...it doesn't show up anywhere
[10:45] <hilz> andysl: yes there are folders on the CD
[10:45] <hilz> but it doesn't seem to boot
[10:45] <carthik> CB, try double clicking the volume control icon in the panel and then seeing what the volume sliders are set  to, for different channels etc...
[10:45] <alterim> andysl
[10:46] <alterim> i've just installed mplayer and now menueditor
[10:46] <alterim> but the menueditor doesn't let me delete anything
[10:46] <carthik> CB, i ahve to go now...
[10:46] <whiskers> alterim, where did you get menueditor
[10:46] <carthik> later, folks
[10:46] <alterim> i press delete and it's still there
[10:46] <CB> carthik, sure, thanks for the help
[10:46] <alterim> whiskers someone gave me a url
[10:46] <whiskers> alterim, could you post the url
[10:46] <alterim> would if i knew
[10:47] <ogra> alterim, thats the reason its not included in hoary yet....its not ready
[10:47] <whiskers> alterim, google doesn't find anything
[10:47] <andysl> alterim
[10:47] <andysl> The reason it won't let you delete anything...
[10:47] <alterim> oh i see ogra, that would explain that
[10:47] <whiskers> alterim, oh it doesn't work yet
[10:47] <andysl> alterim, is because the item in your menu is probably 'system wide' or in other words, you don't have the right privileges to erase such item in the menu.
[10:47] <alterim> andysl what you have just said conflicts with what ogra has just said
[10:47] <andysl> alterim, however, if you create a menu item as current user - you will be able to delete/etc. it.
[10:47] <alterim> who is right?
[10:47] <alterim> is it ready, or is it not?
[10:47] <juca> hey all... i'm having some trouble w/ sata and ubuntu... on boot, the system "freezes" at "hotplug" startup... i know that is something related w/ sata, coz if i turn off the drive, my ubuntu boots fine... does somebody knows something about this?
[10:48] <epohs> Quick samba question.. I want to set up a public share that is accessible to all machines on my network with no passwords required.  Everything appears to be correct in my smb.conf file, and I can see the folder on my XP box, but I get an "Network access is denied" error once it's mapped, and it isn't browseable.
[10:48] <alterim> (this is what i hate about linux advice)
[10:48] <andysl> alterim:  The menu editor basically does this...
[10:48] <andysl> alterim:  There are files that contain information - in fact - think of it the same way microsoft windows handles menu's, with .lnk files and such...
[10:48] <andysl> its the same concept.
[10:48] <alterim> yeah i gather that
[10:48] <ogra> alterim, its working partially, but didnt match the QA for hoary... its author himself said its not ready yet
[10:48] <andysl> however the current stuff in your menu is all default/etc... - not 'alterim' but rather, 'root' if you catch my drift
[10:48] <alterim> i'm questioning why your advice and ogra's is conflicting
[10:49] <ogra> alterim, its not all black and white ;)
[10:49] <rapha> Hi all!
[10:49] <alterim> so what can i do to delete this stuff
[10:49] <alterim> ?
[10:49] <andysl> alterim: Manually do it
[10:49] <ogra> alterim, no idea...
[10:49] <alterim> i've got two mplayer icons, one works, and one doesn't
[10:49] <andysl> alterim:  Or, run the Menu editor AS root
[10:49] <alterim> how do i do that andysl that sounds easier for me
[10:49] <rapha> I'm trying to upgrade to Hoary, but apt-get dist-upgrade hangs at "ttf-opensymbol", displaying "Updating fontconfig cache..." and in top I can see fc-cache to be utilizing 99% CPU. Since a couple of hours now.
[10:50] <andysl> alterim: sudo file
[10:50] <andysl> heh
[10:50] <alterim> sudo file?
[10:50] <alterim> that didn't do anything
[10:50] <andysl> alterim
[10:50] <andysl> like
[10:50] <andysl> sudo menu-editor for instance
[10:50] <dizzey> how do i disable acpi in ubuntu (when i boot it says apm overridden by ACPI) then the system hangs
[10:50] <andysl> go into your terimanl
[10:50] <andysl> and type "sudo menu-editor"
[10:50] <alterim> ok thanks
[10:50] <andysl> that *should* do the trick
[10:51] <alterim> hasn't done
[10:51] <alterim> still won't let me delete
[10:51] <andysl> then the menu editor fails it ;)
[10:51] <drabo> hallo spricht jemand deutsch ist dies der Chat der ubuntuusers.de
[10:51] <andysl> and you are going to have to manually edit :|
[10:51] <alterim> how do i do that?
[10:51] <rapha> drabo: In #ubuntu-de findest du Deutsche
[10:51] <ogra> drabo, #ubuntu-de
[10:51] <drabo> ok danke
[10:51] <whiskers> alterim, what url did you get that menueditor...we can legally use that in the US
[10:52] <alterim> http://myosc.org/ubuntuguide/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:52] <SuperQ> menu editor?
[10:53] <alterim> andysl i'd quite like to get rid of these menu items!
[10:53] <andysl> alterim:  I understand - I'm looking for the menu 'stuff' in my filesystem right now lol
[10:53] <alterim> ok
[10:53] <alterim> it's funny that http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer tells you to do this menu editor stuff
[10:53] <ogra> alterim, be careful, it might wipe your whole menu... i would edit ~./local/share/applications myself...
[10:54] <onkarshinde> Has gaim1.2.1 been added to hoary repositories?
[10:54] <alterim> if menu editor isn't even ready for hoary...
[10:54] <andysl> alterim:  Do what ogra said
[10:54] <alterim> and how to i do that?
[10:54] <andysl> and if its not THERE...
[10:54] <alterim> how do i check
[10:54] <alterim> ?
[10:54] <andysl> then look in /usr/share/applications -- be careful not to ERASE everything
[10:54] <ogra> alterim, open a filemanager
[10:54] <alterim> ok....
[10:54] <ogra> alterim, press ctrl-h
[10:54] <alterim> what is the full stop before /local ?
[10:55] <ogra> alterim, look in .local
[10:55] <alterim> . ?
[10:55] <ogra> yep
[10:55] <alterim> ...
[10:55] <whiskers> great dpkg does work from the desktop
[10:55] <ogra> alterim, the name is .local (in words: dotlocal)
[10:55] <cd1680> hi i was just wondering if i could run i386 version of ubuntu on my amd64 machine
[10:56] <alterim> the dot means?
[10:56] <ogra> cd1680, sure, but why would you want that :)
[10:56] <DoppelGanger> :-p i can see you
[10:56] <whiskers> hmm...Travis Watkins is working on interesting stuff
[10:56] <ogra> alterim, its part of the name...
[10:56] <cd1680> ogra: because amd64 cant use cedega or ooo 2.0
[10:56] <alterim> i don't have a folder called .local
[10:56] <cd1680> ogra: or can it?
[10:56] <ogra> alterim, filenames that start with a dot are considered hidden in linux
[10:56] <alterim> ok thanks
[10:56] <alterim> i still can't find it
[10:57] <alterim> i double click on filesystem then where do i go?
[10:57] <ogra> cd1680, nope, but is that enough reason to loos all the nice performance ?
[10:57] <kev0r> how do i format a disk on linux, totally confused here!?!?
[10:57] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[10:57] <DoppelGanger> mkreiserfs
[10:57] <DoppelGanger> mkdosfs
[10:57] <kev0r> buh?
[10:57] <alterim> i double click on filesystem then where do i go?
[10:57] <ogra> alterim, open your home folder
[10:57] <DoppelGanger> so forth so on
[10:57] <kev0r> yeh fuck that, there is no command mkdosfs
[10:58] <cd1680> ogra: can i use regular wine on amd64?
[10:58] <alterim> ok...
[10:58] <ogra> alterim, .local ist in your home folder...
[10:58] <ogra> cd1680, nope....
[10:58] <whiskers> how do you use menu editor...suppose i want to add streamtuner
[10:58] <alterim> there is no .local
[10:58] <alterim> oh yes there is
[10:58] <DoppelGanger> kev0r: what type of file system do you want
[10:58] <alterim> sorry
[10:58] <kev0r> ntfs
[10:58] <ogra> alterim, did you hit ctrl-h like i said before ?
[10:58] <alterim> yeah i got it
[10:58] <kev0r> that is the whole problem to start with ofc :)
[10:58] <cd1680> are you sure u cant even use wine on amd64?
[10:58] <DoppelGanger> he he install the packag that can make you format ntfs
[10:59] <ogra> alterim, in .local/share/applications are all your personal menu items
[10:59] <andrewski> how do i search the installed packages for (e.g.) 'kde'?
[10:59] <andrewski> to see which kde apps i have installed?
[10:59] <ogra> cd1680, yup, i am
[10:59] <alterim> deleted
[10:59] <alterim> sorted
[10:59] <alterim> :)
[10:59] <ogra> cd1680, but i know someone works on it....its just not ready yet
[10:59] <kerframil> kev0r: or you could format it as FAT, and later convert it to NTFS - you get better performance that way, anyway - especially if you perform an installation while it is still formatted as FAT
[11:00] <ogra> alterim, these files are only text files, you can just copy and edit them to create an new entry
[11:00] <alterim> so ~ = my home folder?
[11:00] <alterim> the tilde icon
[11:00] <ogra> yop
[11:00] <alterim> means home
[11:00] <alterim> sorted
[11:00] <kev0r> kerframil: how do i format it to fat32?
[11:01] <kev0r> that's the problem, cannot put shit on it when it's ntfs
[11:01] <alterim> oh man i deleted it from the .local/share/applications
[11:01] <alterim> but it's still in the menu
[11:01] <alterim> ...
[11:01] <kerframil> kev0r: mkdosfs -F 32 I believe
[11:01] <hulk> where can i change the iconsize of the icons in filebrowsers and on the desktop?
[11:01] <ogra> alterim, open a terminal, type: killall gnome-panel
[11:02] <ogra> alterim, shouldsort it
[11:02] <alterim> can i do that without a terminal?
[11:02] <CB> how do I set the default video player to  mplayer (i.e. it opens totem whenever I try to stream a wmv)
[11:02] <wjesusaxl> HAS ANYBODY INSTALL LINGO ???
[11:02] <wjesusaxl> HAS ANYBODY INSTALLED LINGO?
[11:02] <ogra> alterim, alt-f2
[11:02] <kev0r> ok thanks, i'll try
[11:02] <alterim> thanks!
[11:02] <ogra> alterim, type it in the text input
[11:02] <alterim> so what does that do, just refresh the panels?
[11:02] <chavo> wjesusaxl, yes and it broke my capslock key ALSO!
[11:02] <Climber> I don't see mplayer in the hoary or universe. Where is it?
[11:03] <Ben2004uk> wjesusaxl: whats lingo?
[11:03] <wjesusaxl> it's for linear programming
[11:03] <kerframil> Climber: multiverse
[11:03] <alterim> woohoo! i have mplayer installed properly
[11:04] <Ben2004uk> isnt it to do with Director
[11:04] <kozatt> hello here !
[11:04] <Huey> has anyone else run into the problem of xv not working properly in mplayer?
[11:05] <Huey> i have an ati all-in-wonder, so i tried 'apt-get install gatos', but that didn't seem to help anything
[11:05] <kev0r> kerframil: i haven't got mkdos thingy installed, when i search for it on Synaptic i find dosfstools, but after installing that i still have no mkdosfs executable
[11:05] <kerframil> kev0r: /sbin/mkdosfs ?
[11:05] <wjesusaxl> hey chavo .. did u get it installed?
[11:05] <nubbe> how come realplayer isn't in ubuntuguide?
[11:05] <kozatt> Huey : Mplayer has a native support for ATI cards, try the xvidix video output
[11:06] <kev0r> kerframil: there is a mkswap there, but no /sbin/mkdosfs
[11:06] <wjesusaxl> I set up the ambient variables properly already but
[11:06] <CB> how do I make mplayer the default for wmv files?
[11:06] <wjesusaxl> the su: ./lingo9: cannot execute binary file is still on
[11:07] <makyo2> hello
[11:07] <kerframil> kev0r: well that makes no sense - what does dpkg -L dosfstools say?
[11:07] <stuNNed> hi makyo2
[11:07] <kozatt> CB : Edit the /etc/mailcap file
[11:07] <kerframil> kev0r: here, I can clearly see both /sbin/mkdosfs and /sbin/mkfs.msdos
[11:07] <kozatt> hi makyo2
[11:07] <rOss^32> anyone got a ubuntu xmms skin ? so it all matches :)
[11:08] <kev0r> /sbin/mkfs.msdos
[11:08] <makyo2> anyone knows if it is possible to use the game/MIDI port in Ubuntu Hoary? I would like to use my midi keyboard...
[11:08] <kev0r> this is prolly what ur looking for
[11:08] <wjesusaxl> any help with Lingo?
[11:08] <kev0r> lol omg, plz shoot me kerframil
[11:08] <Krys^^> makyo2,  i saw a package earlier today that the description said "to play midi files"
[11:08] <kerframil> CB: in Nautilus, Properties -> Open With tab -> select mplayer (click Add button to add it as choice if necessary)
[11:08] <kev0r> it's just there
[11:08] <kev0r> hahaha
[11:08] <kev0r> *fuckt*
[11:09] <kerframil> kev0r: well that's a relief ;p
[11:09] <Dreamer3> crimsun: fixed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[11:09] <kev0r> so how do i know what /dev/sda it is?
[11:09] <kozatt> /log
[11:09] <nekrataal> Hey, how can i add a line to a bounch of files from bash?
[11:09] <kev0r> i've got sda1-4
[11:09] <scott> whatever happened to helix player?
[11:09] <kerframil> kev0r: sda? are you using SCSI or SATA?
[11:09] <makyo2> Krys^^: it could be just a software for playing midi files using a midi device
[11:09] <nekrataal> i need to add the OnlyShowIn=KDE; line to all the kde.desktop files so they dont show on ubuntu..
[11:10] <kev0r> uhm no :P
[11:10] <nekrataal> how can i do that?
[11:10] <Krys^^> *shrug*
[11:10] <kev0r> it's a usb thingy
[11:10] <kerframil> kev0r: oh
[11:10] <kev0r> can we PM?
[11:10] <kerframil> kev0r: if you wish
[11:10] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, sorta... evidentally when i boot both video ports (i have a dual-out card) are mirrored... but after X is started and returns to console the console is only on right port (i was using the left)... i guess it should bother me that it isn't both (since I imagine with nv it's both) but now i can switch to console... and i'll prolly be happy until i switch to two monitors and see if that causes new problems :)
[11:10] <monkey89> are there any plans for a hoary dvd?
[11:11] <jesper> monkey89: allready there.
[11:11] <makyo2> anyone knows if it is possible to use the game/MIDI port inluded in my motherboard in Ubuntu Hoary? I would like to use my midi keyboard...
[11:11] <ogra> monkey89, it already exists
[11:11] <monkey89> where?
[11:11] <whiskers> man that menu editor is screwed to the max
[11:11] <monkey89> ah
[11:11] <jesper> monkey89: on the mirrors and as torrent
[11:11] <monkey89> n/m, the mirror I had looked on showed nothing
[11:11] <andrewski> sweet, so you can have kde and gnome on one disc. :P
[11:12] <whiskers> that thing made entries in the wrong place and you can't delete them
[11:12] <monkey89> it doesn't have kubuntu on it though, does it
[11:12] <andrewski> whiskers: why oh why did gnome just put one in now? :)
[11:13] <jesper> monkey89: that would be apt-get install kubuntu-desktop after installation.
[11:13] <whiskers> andrewski, well i don't know it put verify in sounds where i did not want it
[11:13] <whiskers> andrewski, and i can't delete it
[11:13] <Dreamer3> now that everything works ubuntu is so dull
[11:13] <andrewski> whiskers: well, i don't use it, i was just saying.  IIRC it's still beta. :)
[11:13] <monkey89> jesper, right: i was just saying that it would be cool if you had both desktops available on the dvd, since it is so big
[11:13] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[11:13] <Ben2004uk> lol
[11:13] <andrewski> Dreamer3: get to work then. ;)
[11:14] <whiskers> nice try ...but it is not ready ye6t
[11:14] <whiskers> yet
[11:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: if i had a 2nd lcd i'd be setting up my dual view... might run into the office to grab a 19" CRT :)
[11:14] <Dreamer3> i just can't stand to use a CRT and LCD side by side anymore, icky
[11:14] <andrewski> Dreamer3: program, theme, sit around IRC... :P
[11:15] <Dreamer3> i need a sturdier desk
[11:16] <kivio> hello
[11:16] <klaym> is it possible to have fluxbox -style mouse menu navigating in ubuntu without having to install fluxbox?
[11:17] <Antioch> Anyone know where I can get the firfox icon of the fox around the globe (not the 3d one) instead of the default icon of a blue sphere?
[11:17] <nekrataal> how can i se the modes on a file?
[11:17] <Dreamer3> klaym: you mean to launch apps and stuff?
[11:17] <klaym> yes
[11:17] <Dreamer3> klaym: i dunno
[11:17] <Dreamer3> klaym: if you find out let me know though :)
[11:17] <Dreamer3> andrewski: any other distros firefox install? :)
[11:17] <klaym> Dreamer3: will do
[11:17] <kivio> i'm having a little trouble installing ubuntu, everything went fine untill i was asked to reboot. now the only thing i see is "LILO - Timestamp mismatch"
[11:17] <kivio> any ideas?
[11:17] <Dreamer3> Antioch: any other distros firefox install? :)
[11:18] <Dreamer3> kivio: weird
[11:18] <thoreauputic> klaym: in theory you could swap metacity with fluxbox as the gnome window manager
[11:18] <Roey> hi
[11:18] <Dreamer3> kivio: i thought it used grub... hmmm....
[11:18] <Roey> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145437&cid=12176562
[11:18] <DooD> guys any idea why i can't install kde in hoary?
[11:18] <Roey> :P
[11:18] <wjesusaxl> any help with lingo
[11:18] <kivio> i did the default install Dreamer3
[11:18] <wjesusaxl> installing ling
[11:18] <punkrockguy318> Whenever I here a GNOME sound, sometimes, I hear the sound.. and then it repeats a second later... What can I do about this?  It's quite annoying
[11:18] <Antioch> Dreamer3 dont have any other distro.. if it was on my hd, Id have it
[11:18] <Dreamer3> klaym: can you really do taht?
[11:18] <andrewski> Antioch: you want the icon to show up in your menus?  or just have the file?
[11:18] <Dreamer3> andrewski: google for it
[11:18] <andrewski> Dreamer3: hey :P
[11:18] <klaym> thoreauputic: ok. 'in theory' only sounds a bit scary
[11:18] <klaym> :P
[11:18] <kivio> i can reinstall, but i could not find an option where i could choose grub
[11:19] <DooD> anyone know how to install kde on hoary?
[11:19] <Dreamer3> kivio: i have no lilo
[11:19] <punkrockguy318> DooD, apt-get install kubuntu-base
[11:19] <Antioch> andrewski I know how to change icons in the menu, but I need the png first, lol..
[11:19] <Dreamer3> kivio: ubuntu definately uses grub (unless you pick somewhere)
[11:19] <kivio> hehe
[11:19] <kivio> well
[11:19] <thoreauputic> klaym: I've never tried it myself - but some people use sawfish, some use enlightenment instead of metacity
[11:19] <andrewski> Antioch: search for png | grep firefox
[11:19] <kivio> i just pressed "continue" all the time
[11:19] <DooD> can't find the package
[11:19] <kivio> and its grub
[11:19] <DooD> where is it?
[11:19] <klaym> enlightenment seems nice too
[11:19] <kivio> ah
[11:20] <kivio> i meant lilo
[11:20] <kivio> :)
[11:20] <Dreamer3> andrewski: download the firefox install from their website
[11:20] <Dreamer3> Antioch: it has the official artwork
[11:20] <DooD> punkrockguy318: where's the package?
[11:20] <punkrockguy318> DooD, it's a meta-package
[11:20] <andrewski> Dreamer3: hey, i'm not the person you're trying to refer to!
[11:20] <tkz> Anyone got NetworkManager working in Hoary? Had it running in Warty but can't get it work after the update : (
[11:20] <LinuxJones> DooD, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:20] <DooD> punkrockguy318:it can't find it
[11:20] <Dreamer3> Antioch: http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/firefox/nosebleed/mozilla-firefox.png
[11:21] <punkrockguy318> DooD, apt-get install kubuntu-base
[11:21] <kivio> so what should i do Dreamer3, it's definatly lilo
[11:21] <kivio> not grub
[11:21] <wizz33> how do i take onwership of directory media from root?
[11:21] <Dreamer3> Antioch: next time use google
[11:21] <DooD> which mirror?
[11:21] <vessuvius81> I'm trying to setup a wireless card... but I keep running into a problem when i do sudo modprobe ndiswrapper .... get "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"  Any ideas?
[11:21] <dorkster> Hi. Ubuntu/Kubuntu rock!  I have both DM's installed. Even after just using Kubuntu, if I click on "LAST" in the GDM menu, Gnome loads instead of KDE. How to fix?
[11:21] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: when you say "gnome sound" I presume you're referrering to the sound events (which are played be ESD)
[11:21] <DooD> archive.ubuntut.com/ hoary universe multiverse?
[11:21] <punkrockguy318> kerframil, correct
[11:21] <nekrataal> with chmod how do i set a file to be -rw-r--r--??
[11:22] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: you might try removing esd/esound and installing polypaudio instead - perhaps you'd be trading one set of problems for another, but polypaudio is of superior design as I understand it
[11:22] <Dreamer3> Antioch: hmmm, i jsut set the icon and it doesn't seem to take
[11:22] <thoreauputic> nekrataal: 644
[11:22] <Jarret_> i get a grub error 17 in 1.5 when i start up my computer... the drive was fresh beforehand...so..what the hell?
[11:22] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: also, both of them suppor alsa or oss backends - you may well find that you have the oss variant of esound installed, where perhaps you might get better results using the native alsa version
[11:22] <andrewski> Dreamer3: it's the .desktop file, hardcoded piece of crap.
[11:22] <punkrockguy318> kerframil, how do I switch to the alsa version?
[11:23] <nekrataal> Thanks thoreauputic
[11:23] <andrewski> Dreamer3: i put a bug in bugzilla about it, but apparently they don't see fit to fix it.  it's trivial.
[11:23] <Dreamer3> andrewski: you mean i can't change it even on the PANEL with the default UI?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> nekrataal: no worries :)
[11:23] <andrewski> Dreamer3: oh, should be able to.
[11:23] <LinuxJones> DooD, kubuntu-desktop is in main
[11:23] <Dreamer3> andrewski: i have no .desktop file
[11:23] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: good question, checking
[11:23] <andrewski> Dreamer3: /usr/share/applications
[11:23] <Dreamer3> andrewski: the icon shows and changed in the dialog, just not on the bar
[11:23] <tkz> Is there a trick to get NetworkManager up and running in Hoary?
[11:24] <Antioch> Dreamer3 did for me..
[11:24] <Dreamer3> Antioch: there, second go at it and i got it :)
[11:24] <kerframil> punkrockguy318: apt-get install libesd-alsa0
[11:24] <Antioch> Anyone know where the gnome menu config files are located?
[11:24] <Antioch> Dreamer3 awesome =)
[11:24] <Dreamer3> Antioch: glab you're happy
[11:24] <dorkster> Can anyone help me with GDM?
[11:24] <LinuxJones> Antioch, search the wiki for menueditor
[11:25] <Antioch> LinuxJones I used it, it isnt all that great. It made a new menu, I dont know how, but I need to delete it
[11:25] <Jarret_> is it possible for me to boot without grub?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Jarret_: you could use lilo I guess
[11:25] <Dreamer3> why did they rip out the firefox logo anyways?
[11:26] <DooD> LinuxJones: thanks bro seems to be working now
[11:26] <DooD> :)
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: Moz Foundation copyright issues
[11:26] <Jarret_> i get an error 17... but it's reiser.. so... why wouldn't it recognize it?
[11:26] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: everyone else can use it but ubuntu?
[11:26] <pmjdebruijn> Jarret_: yes I've had that too with JFS/XFS
[11:26] <pmjdebruijn> Jarret_: use ext3, you'll be fine
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: I don't know - you'd need to ask the devs I guess
[11:27] <linuxboy> i upgraded to hoary, but i see my XF86Config-4 file is still there, can I delete it ?
[11:27] <Dreamer3> oh well, i don't care :)
[11:27] <Dreamer3> just a little different
[11:27] <pmjdebruijn> Jarret_: grub error 17 means the partition exists, but grub doesn't recognize the filesystem
[11:27] <Jarret_> okay, tnx... is there any real performance difference between the filesystems?
[11:27] <wizz33> how do i take onwership of directory media from root?
[11:27] <punkrockguy318> kerframil, thank you, i'll give it a try
[11:27] <kerframil> Jarret_: yes, according to various tests I've done personally ext3 is generally better when using a 2.6 kernel (which is why I switched from reiserfs quite a while ago)
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: if you get one from the mozilla.org page , you could probably substitute it with a bit of hacking and renaming
[11:28] <rinkle> hey, can i get som help? don't know how to add drivers to my hardware (soundcard)
[11:28] <kerframil> Jarret_: despite the reiser hype
[11:28] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: perhaps, but it's prolly not as fast as the ubuntu one :)
[11:28] <Jarret_> hehe, okay thanks
[11:28] <thoreauputic> wizz33: you shouldn't
[11:28] <kerframil> Jarret_: particularly if you run tune2fs -O dir_index on the ext3 filesystem in question :)
[11:28] <rinkle> yjust installed ubuntu for the first time :S
[11:28] <kerframil> Jarret_: btw, if you use reiserfs with grub I think you need to make sure it's always mounted with the "notail" option, at least that was once the case
[11:29] <dorkster> Does anyone want to actually help me here?
[11:29] <tkz> Can someone help me out with NetworkManager related problem?
[11:29] <sig> dorkster: sure
[11:29] <sig> whats up
[11:29] <Jarret_> how can i change the setting in grub?
[11:29] <Antioch> Anyone know how to delete a menu? Menueditor managed to *create* an extra menu, and I want to delete it....
[11:29] <sig> Antioch: right click the menu and remove it
[11:29] <kerframil> dorkster: you never asked a question from what I can see ... standard protocol stipulates that that may aid in getting results ;p
[11:29] <dorkster> How to configure GDM so that 'LAST' works like it should, in the GDM menu?
[11:30] <Dreamer3> anyone use GL with transparency on nvidia with that special line in xorg.conf, any results?
[11:30] <Antioch> sig there is no right click, otherwise I would have done that long ago, lol...
[11:30] <kdp> sig: that doenst work in gnome 2.10
[11:30] <kerframil> Jarret_: you mean the notail setting?
[11:30] <Jarret_> yeah
[11:30] <kerframil> Jarret_: I think that, if you don't do it from the beginning, it's too late - but you can still try
[11:30] <sig> kdp: yes it does
[11:30] <dizzey> ubuntu fresses for me during boot console-screen.sh says /dev/tty1 no such file or directory i did try to boot with init=/bin/bash and checkd dev and the file was there
[11:30] <sig> I just did it last night
[11:30] <dorkster> How to configure GDM so that 'LAST' works like it should, in the GDM menu?
[11:30] <wizz33> thoreauputic, i need to copy a partition from a win2k comp and i have created this partion especially fot it during install
[11:31] <LinuxJones> dorkster, if it's not working as advertised you can always install kdm
[11:31] <kerframil> Jarret_: you neeed to alter your /etc/fstab - that's not something that can be done from grub
[11:31] <kdp> sig: ......since when?  the whole thing about menueditor is because its NOT allowed
[11:31] <Jarret_> okay, well i didn't see any options regarding grub in the ubuntu installer
[11:31] <kerframil> Jarret_: you'll need some kind of LiveCD or something, if you can't get into your system at present
[11:31] <Jarret_> oh okay, just a live cd then?
[11:31] <Jarret_> okay thanks
[11:31] <sig> kdp: well It worked for me
[11:31] <kerframil> Jarret_: reiser is something I'd still use on a 2.4 system, but definitely not 2.6
[11:31] <thoreauputic> wizz33: you probably need to edit /etc/fstab - not chage the permissions on the mount point
[11:31] <kdp> sig: using hoary? and gnome 2.10?
[11:32] <Jarret_> what's the default from ubuntu 5.04?
[11:32] <sig> kdp:  yes, dist-upgrade last night
[11:32] <sig> all works flawlessly
[11:32] <Dreamer3> does gnome really not support side panels well?
[11:32] <Jarret_> er.r. the kernal version?
[11:32] <Dreamer3> i can't make it big enough to be useful with a task list
[11:32] <spikeb> Dreamer3  basically
[11:33] <rinkle> how do u install the drivers 4 soundcards?
[11:33] <kdp> sig: does dist-upgrade do gnome as well as ubuntu?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> wizz33: ls -ld /media should probably have 755 permissions ( rwx-r-x-r-x) and belong to root
[11:33] <tkz> kdp: yes, seems to upgrade gnome too
[11:34] <momomo> i just dist-upgrade'ed to hoary, but now sound doesnt work at all. can someone help?
[11:34] <holycow> speaking of gnome and side panels, is there a way to lock the panels so they cannot be dragged without having access to sudo?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> wizz33: ls -ld /media would show you
[11:34] <thundrcleeze> same here, momomo
[11:34] <penguin42> bah - mozilla is really mozilla-firefox
[11:34] <yojimbo-san> penguin42: and why not? Mozilla are withdrawing support for the full suite program
[11:34] <ogra> penguin42, mozilla-browser is still there
[11:34] <tkz> How do I get NetworkManager running in Hoary?
[11:35] <yojimbo-san> so the default goes to their preferred program, firefox
[11:35] <penguin42> yojimbo-san, In this case because firefox has a bug in it so I wanted to go back to mozilla
[11:35] <djp> hi. does anyone here know what the difference is between Default Sink and Default Source under Multimedia Systems Selector? The reason I ask is because I wish to change the default audio playback to ALSA in order to rectify audo/video syncing with totem-gstreamer
[11:35] <kerframil> Jarret_: yeah
[11:35] <Dreamer3> i feel like there could be a more intuitive way to organize what i do than what i have now
[11:35] <yojimbo-san> penguin42: sure, it was just the default though :-)
[11:35] <penguin42> ogra: Ah - ok
[11:35] <rinkle> damn. this sucks...
[11:35] <momomo> any ideas on hoary sound problems? im using a turtle beach santa cruz with alsa driver cs46xx
[11:35] <cavediver> Anyone good at tv-out on nvidia cards?
[11:35] <Dreamer3> it would help if i could click on the desktop and get a task list though
[11:35] <wizz33> thoreauputic,  that it does, i have alredy chanded it to test it but chmod a media does gives an error
[11:35] <penguin42> (It's rather annoying one actually - it won't import bookmarks for me - and apparently at least one other person)
[11:36] <ogra> penguin42, use "add remove applications" from applications->system tools
[11:36] <Jarret_> ok thank you kerframil
[11:36] <djp> momomo: what is the problem?
[11:36] <jordanau> momomo, have you tried the forums? there are tons of toics on it one might help
[11:36] <penguin42> ogra: Oh what is that - yet another apt front end ?
[11:36] <ogra> penguin42, a frontend to the apt frontend ;)
[11:37] <spikeb> lol
[11:37] <penguin42> ogra: Haha
[11:37] <thoreauputic> wizz33: if the permissions ar as I said, then they are correct - it's a question of getting your /etc/fstab entry right
[11:37] <wizz33> ok
[11:37] <momomo> jordanau, i was just on the forums, still looking around tho
[11:37] <djp> Does anyone know what the difference is between Default Sink and Default Source under Multimedia Systems Selector? The reason I ask is because I wish to change the default audio playback to ALSA in order to rectify audo/video syncing with totem-gstreamer
[11:38] <momomo> djp, i dist-upgraded to hoary, now no sound at all.. using alsa cs46xx
[11:39] <tkz> Is there a repository from which I could get a newer version of wireless-tools package than the one that's default in Hoary?
[11:39] <djp> momomo: check the settings under multimedia systems selector for audio
[11:39] <stuNNed> tkz: why do you need newer tools? sure it's not your driver?
[11:40] <djp> momomo: although, i am trying to figure out what the choices actually are!
[11:40] <rijad> hey, can any1 help me?
[11:40] <tkz> stuNNed, I had NetworkManager working in Warty. The key then was to upgrade wireless-tools. Now apt-get says I have newest version but the "radar" does not show up and can't use the wlan in Hoary
[11:40] <jordanau> rijad, hey whats up sorry i had to leave earlier so fast
[11:40] <yojimbo-san> rijad: only if you tell us what you want ...
[11:41] <Dreamer3> ok can i switch wm in gnome simply by killing one and restarting another?
[11:41] <momomo> djp, ah i hadnt seen this before
[11:41] <stuNNed> tkz: ah, NetworkManager, don't know about that one, I've tried to get it working but couldn't so gave up :)
[11:41] <willhig> um - hello - can someone help me with something? the first post is at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=112897
[11:41] <Dreamer3> no, metacity restarts
[11:42] <tkz> stuNNed, have you found some other nice way to switch between wireless networks?
[11:42] <rijad> heh sorry, was reading the damn ubuntu guide... but now that i have got ndiswrapper to work, i need to get the soundcard and my dvd.burner to work :S
[11:43] <vessuvius81> I'm trying to setup the wireless on my dell (truemobile 1180) and having all kinds of fits
[11:43] <jordanau> rijad, congrats on ndiswrapper!!!
[11:43] <stuNNed> tkz: like on the fly?  not really, i usually do 'iwconfig wlan0 essid "SSID" ; dhclient wlan0 ; /etc/init.d/ipkungfu restart' so no :)
[11:43] <Dreamer3> rijad: and after all that, pray for the day when it all works "out of the box"
[11:43] <stuNNed> tkz: or use network-admin, they should show up there if the SSID's are published.
[11:43] <vessuvius81> rijad, how the hell did you get ndiswrapper working? ;-)
[11:43] <djp> momomo: any joy?
[11:43] <willhig> is there another channel where I can get help without interrupting anyone?
[11:43] <willhig> >_<``
[11:43] <jordanau> rijad, did you find a guide to follow? If so link it here for others
[11:44] <momomo> djp, no joy
[11:44] <rijad> yeah, wait
[11:44] <tkz> stuNNed, huh... complicated...  ...with Warty and NetworkManger I was able to just click on the network I wanted to use and *blim* I was in the net
[11:44] <vessuvius81> please pleas e please :)
[11:44] <smouche> that wouldn't be a very helpful channel, would it willhig ... !
[11:44] <willhig> ^_^ ok, thanks
[11:44] <willhig> I suppose...
[11:44] <djp> I gather no one knows what the difference is between Default Sink and Default Source under Multimedia Systems Selector? The reason I ask is because I wish to change the default audio playback to ALSA in order to rectify audo/video syncing with totem-gstreamer
[11:45] <willhig> I just don't want to interrupt anything going on now...
[11:45] <willhig> :P
[11:45] <stuNNed> tkz: yeah, something more 'on the fly' would be nice as default in ubuntu :)
[11:45] <momomo> djp, joy! i installed alsamixergui, and then unmuted 'external amplifier'
[11:45] <stuNNed> momomo: kewlios
[11:45] <momomo> djp, source and sink are both set to alsa in that tool
[11:45] <vessuvius81> how can I totally uninstall ndiswrapper to try a clean install again?
[11:45] <rijad> The guide that worked for me, the link is roken so here is the chache by google: http://216.239.59.104/search?hl=sv&q=cache:www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper&spell=1
[11:46] <tkz> stuNNed, yep... I guess I'll try to get the NetworkManager running....
[11:46] <djp> momomo: good!
[11:46] <Quenyar> If I take my ubuntu box (Hoary) to another location and start it up with a different monitor, will the OS detect that the change has happened?
[11:46] <jordanau> vessuvius81,  sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper, I think, Is that right guys?
[11:47] <momomo> nice, good luck to everyone else :)
[11:47] <willhig> ndiswrapper notes the driver to my wireless card was installed correctly and the hardware is present, but iwconfig / ifconfig do not list wlan0...
[11:47] <rijad> jordanau, can i pm you?
[11:47] <jordanau> vessuvius81, you might not want to do it without a second opinion though
[11:47] <jordanau> rijad, yeah
[11:47] <stuNNed> vessuvius81: (1) remove with the driver, first list it with ndiswrapper -l then afaik ndiswrapper -e whatever.inf (2) rmmod ndiswrapper (3) apt-get --purge remove ndiswrapper-utils
[11:48] <stuNNed> tkz: i'm sure you know about http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ right?  but that's the one i couldn't get working
[11:48] <rijad> hmm maybie that wasn't the right command i yust used
[11:48] <jordanau> rijad, #jordanau
[11:48] <vessuvius81> thnx stunned
[11:49] <Quenyar> anybody know if ubuntu will detect a change in monitors?
[11:49] <tkz> stuNNed, yes that is how I got it running in Warty, plus I had to upgrade wireless-tools. No luck in Hoary though
[11:49] <Quenyar> How do you configure a firewall for ubuntu?
[11:50] <mwh_> Hi, just upgraded to hoary, and im wondering what whent wrong .. cause I do not have the new update-manager installed and synaptic seems to be the old one
[11:50] <mwh_> also about ubuntu does not show up in my menus
[11:50] <stuNNed> tkz: afaik i tried it the other day in Hoary, no luck here either :(
[11:50] <willhig> ndiswrapper notes the driver to my wireless card was installed correctly and the hardware is present, but iwconfig / ifconfig do not list wlan0... what do I do if I can't configure wlan0? It acts like it doesn't exist!
[11:51] <LinuxJones> mwh_, did you do a dist-upgrade ?
[11:51] <willhig> ??????
[11:51] <stuNNed> willhig: reinsert the card?
[11:51] <LinuxJones> mwh_, sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:51] <mwh_> LinuxJones: I used synaptic to install
[11:51] <willhig> haha - I've done that many times - it won't boot with it in and the driver installed >_<``
[11:51] <masa> Does anyone know if hoary should detect a Compaq Smart Array 2 controller and load the cpqarray module? It seems like it does not...?
[11:52] <LinuxJones> mwh_, run that command from console it should get you fixed up
[11:52] <mwh_> LinuxJones: doesnt seemt to help .. hmm
[11:53] <LinuxJones> mwh_, ok apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:53] <willhig> stuNNed, I have to uninstall the driver for the system to boot past "Configuring Network Interfaces"
[11:53] <oo> hello. I am trying to follow the howto http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EncryptedFilesystemHowto - but I cannot install the package cryptsetup - what repository can I get it from?
[11:53] <mwh_> in my sources.list I got deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[11:53] <mwh_> is that okay
[11:53] <Quenyar> I'm trying to read mail from another linux host on my LAN but I get connection refused from evolution.  How do I allow the connection?
[11:53] <holycow> is nvidia glx still borked?
[11:53] <mwh_> LinuxJones: that seems to do something
[11:53] <stuNNed> willhig: do you mean it hangs on ndiswrapper driver at boot?
[11:53] <thundrcleeze> I've got momomo's problem, only I've got a sb audigy.
[11:53] <stuNNed> willhig:  or 'loading ndiswrapper' or whatever?
[11:54] <willhig> stuNNed, that is probably what it is, but it never mentions ndiswrapper
[11:54] <penguin42> Quenyar, connection refused is either  1) You have a firewall in the way    or   2) The other machine isn't running a suitable demon to let you read mail (e.g. pop or imap demon)
[11:54] <stuNNed> willhig:  sometimes it's the simple things we miss :)
[11:54] <vessuvius81> Everytime I try I get "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[11:54] <LinuxJones> mwh_, it will install a bunch of dependency's that Ubuntu needs to run successfully
[11:54] <willhig> stuNNed, that sounds like the problem...
[11:54] <holycow> okay ubuntuguide.org is awesome
[11:54] <stuNNed> vessuvius81: 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' ?
[11:54] <holycow> that really is what a lot of newbs need
[11:54] <holycow> nice
[11:54] <vessuvius81> stunned, yeah
[11:55] <vessuvius81> that's after I install ndiswrapper-utils, sudo ndiswrapper to my bcmwl5.inf
[11:55] <jordanau> yep between that and "introduction to linux" you are well on your way
[11:55] <eruin> I feel so leet seeing my own commits in #commits :-)
[11:55] <Witigonen> Does the 5.04 livecd have any partitioning tools on it?
[11:55] <penguin42> hmm this is going to take some getting used to ; I've switched from Debian/sid to ubuntu at the same time as doing a KDE->Gnome switch
[11:56] <mwh_> LinuxJones: aha, hope it helps :)
[11:56] <eruin> penguin42: haha
[11:56] <stuNNed> vessuvius81: did you install the .inf driver file?
[11:56] <eruin> penguin42: I did the kde->gnome leap around gnome 2.4
[11:56] <willhig> stuNNed: how do I prevent ndiswrapper from stalling at boot? should I try reinstallation?
[11:56] <eruin> penguin42: it was hell :-)
[11:56] <Misogynist> The tendency of KDE and GNOME to constantly leapfrog each other drives me nuts
[11:56] <LinuxJones> mwh_, just logout then back in again
[11:56] <stuNNed> willhig: oh!
[11:56] <penguin42> eruin, I'm trying hard - but I might either change back or install some kde bits - gnome-terminal is getting on my wick!
[11:57] <vessuvius81> stunned, yeah... sudo ndiswrapper -i /windows/Dell/Drivers/r46482/bcmwl5.inf
[11:57] <Misogynist> I was using KDE for a long time, switched to GNOME when I got my new computer, switched to KDE when 3.2 RC1 came out, switched to XFce not long after that, back to GNOME, and then finally to KDE with the 3.4 release
[11:57] <eruin> penguin42: you could always install kubuntu
[11:57] <stuNNed> willhig: which card is this?  are there any other wifi driver modules loaded?  if so you might need to blacklist them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist then reboot, same for you vessuvius81
[11:57] <vessuvius81> and that gives me "Installing bcmwl5 \ Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1"
[11:57] <penguin42> eruin: Indeed - I may well do
[11:57] <tkz> stuNNed, I think I will try to compile the NetworkManager from source and see how that goes. I'll let you know in a while
[11:57] <Quenyar> penguin42 how do I tell if there is a pop or impa daemon running on my fedora2 host?
[11:57] <mwh_> LinuxJones: ok
[11:57] <mwh_> LinuxJones: thanks
[11:57] <willhig> stuNNed: It's a Linksys WMP54G version 4, the Ralink chipset.
[11:57] <thundrcleeze> I've got momomo's problem, with the sound destroying itself after a dist-upgrade to hoary, only I've got a sb audigy. I've tried even compling my own drivers with the alsa-source, but I don't think I did it right.
[11:57] <jordanau> Quenyar, pstree?
[11:58] <LinuxJones> mwh_, NP ;)
[11:58] <dawizard> how can I remove the acx kernel drivers? Is it good if I just remove that directory from /lib/....
[11:58] <kh-rit> what is Backports repositories?
[11:58] <vessuvius81> stunned:
[11:58] <vessuvius81> ndiswrapper -l
[11:58] <vessuvius81> Installed ndis drivers:
[11:58] <vessuvius81> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[11:58] <vessuvius81> :-/
[11:58] <sataere> Hey, what's the pppoe client installed in Ubuntu's Hoary?
[11:58] <eruin> I really dislike people pointing questions at random specific people
[11:58] <eruin> :o
[11:58] <penguin42> Quenyar, If you haven't installed one there probably isn't - do a ps and look what is installed or use netstat -p to see what ports things are listening on
[11:58] <stuNNed> tkz: that would be great
[11:58] <penguin42> So, what is the Ubuntu way of building a kernel
[11:58] <willhig> stuNNed: I have a thread at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=112897
[11:59] <willhig> stuNNed: it didn't help
[11:59] <Misogynist> The usual way is to not build one at all and just download the kernel package for your arch
[11:59] <thoreauputic> penguin42: the debian way, pretty much
[11:59] <sander__> Which MARILLAT repo should I used with Hoary?
[11:59] <Misogynist> Yeah, there's also the Debian way of course :)
[11:59] <LinuxJones> willhig, same as building a debian kernel for the most part
[11:59] <eruin> sander__: the unstable one
[11:59] <sander__> thank eruin
[11:59] <willhig> LinusJones, I don't know how to build kernels >_< I'm a newb