[12:02] <claydoh> the default login for Linspire is root, but of course noobs may not understand what thats all about
[12:03] <smouche> at least mepis has the modicum of sense to give the root account red wallpaper!  Don't know if other distros do that...
[12:04] <Beineri> smouche: hehe, stolen from SUSE
[12:04] <gdh> I can understand people in Windows logging in as Administrator (or giving their own username Admin rights) because so much Windows software is written to assume full rights :(
[12:04] <smouche> I find sudo gives me all the power I really need to completely trash my system, anytime I like...
[12:05] <claydoh> same here smouche lol
[12:05] <smouche> Beineri, how is SUSE, btw?
[12:05] <smouche> I've got a 200 gig drive I want to fill up with distros...
[12:05] <Beineri> claydoh: the default login is "Administrator"? :-) http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=293&slide=31
[12:05] <Beineri> smouche: good
[12:06] <claydoh> Beineri: whats in a name  ? :)
[12:06] <smouche> is SUSE debian derived, or more like red hat?
[12:06] <gdh> SuSE is more like Red Hat
[12:06] <claydoh> but yes the re is still the opportunity to add users
[12:06] <Beineri> claydoh: I use it
[12:06] <gdh> it's rpm-based
[12:07] <thoreauputic> smouche: mandrake used to do the red wallpaper thing - I haven't looked recently though
[12:07] <Beineri> gdh: and except rpm, what has it in common with Red Hat? :-)
[12:07] <smouche> with mandrake, thoreauputic , I was just seeing red all the time, so I didn't realize there was a wallpaper change...
[12:07] <gdh> No idea, never used either. =)
[12:07] <Tm_T> hm
[12:07] <thoreauputic> rofl @ smouche :D
[12:08] <claydoh> Beineri: I haven't in a long long time, the setup does it explain a little about that? I remember something like that
[12:08] <claydoh> but it has been a while
[12:08] <Tm_T> hi guys
[12:08] <smouche> I owe Mandrake big time for one thing though -- this was years ago -- it inspired me to learn to read french, because their english documentation was so horrible...
[12:09] <thoreauputic> smouche: my last mandrake atempt, urpmi wanted to download 26MB of source lists: at that point I wiped it and went back to debian 
[12:09] <smouche> I was such a noob, thoreauputic , I let it install eeevvvveeerrryyythhhinnngggg...
[12:10] <smouche> man pages in swahili, woo hoo!
[12:10] <gdh> smouche: LOL... 'you never know!' :)
[12:10] <thoreauputic> smouche: when I was a newb, I thought *all* man pages were written in Swahili ;)
[12:10] <cooler> how do i mount my hd ?
[12:10] <smouche> I keep hoping I'll find a man page in something resembling english... ;-)
[12:10] <spikeb> thoreauputic they are.
[12:11] <smouche> lol thoreauputic 
[12:11] <thoreauputic> spikeb: seems that way sometimes, yeah ;-)
[12:11] <gdh> thoreauputic: No, you're thinking of SGML ;)
[12:11] <cooler> how do i start a root session?
[12:11] <smouche> even "man man" confuses me.  fuhgettabout "man woman".  I enjoy the confusion there...
[12:12] <smouche> vive la difference!
[12:12] <spikeb> man man might not be approved by your state's laws
[12:12] <gdh> cooler: You don't. Get over it. :)
[12:12] <spikeb> heh
[12:12] <thoreauputic> smouche: try ` make sense `
[12:12] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:12] <cooler> gdh: why not?
[12:13] <gdh> cooler: why on earth do you need to log in as root?
[12:13] <smouche> "man woman"  -- "no manual entry for woman."  Hmmm, have to try automatic entry then...
[12:13] <gdh> cooler: you have full sudo rights as it is
[12:13] <cooler> i wanna mount my hd
[12:13] <cooler> nice
[12:13] <gdh> cooler: so precede the command with sudo :)
[12:13] <cooler> yep
[12:14] <thoreauputic> cooler: sudo mount /dev/hd* /mnt/whatever
[12:14] <thoreauputic> or /media/whatever
[12:14] <smouche> "man mount" is pretty good reading, cooler
[12:14] <lz1gjd> can i make it mount each time automatically
[12:14] <cooler> thanks, i know how to use mount
[12:14] <loren> hmmh 1 sec i''ve give you my mount comman..oh oh well
[12:15] <gdh> smouche: man mount ... hmm I think I saw that on the late night shopping channels... looked a bit scary :)
[12:15] <thoreauputic> smouche: if you are fluent in Swahili, of course...
[12:15] <loren> sudo mount /dev/hdb1  /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[12:15] <loren> i use that one ;)
[12:15] <andrewski> well, i'm going well with the nv drivers.
[12:15] <andrewski> strange, that i'd need it for kde when i didn't in gnome/xfce.
[12:16] <smouche> this is how un-linux ready I still am:  I have absolutely no idea why I would want to mount, say, a samba share, as opposed to simply browsing it via smb-client -- but the smb browser or whatever it's called wants to mount stuff.  easier to just use regular file browser to see those drives...
[12:17] <cooler> i can mount a ntfs as read-write ?
[12:17] <gdh> smouche: Only KDE apps using KIOSlaves will be able to see things via "smb://machine/share"
[12:17] <smouche> I can barely mount a stamp on an envelope without getting it stuck to my tongue...
[12:17] <andrewski> cooler: no, there's very limited support but it's dangerous.
[12:17] <gdh> smouche: when you mount with smbfs, then all apps can see the remote files
[12:18] <smouche> ah hah, gdh -- so that's why konqueror can do it, but not rox-filer?  I was wondering about that... thanks
[12:18] <gdh> smouche: Precisely :)
[12:19] <smouche> andrewski, what about not mounting the drive, but reading and writing to it via smb-client, is that dangerous too?
[12:19] <andrewski> smouche: any writing.
[12:19] <andrewski> reading should be fine, but i don't know much about samba.
[12:19] <gdh> smouche: No that's not dangerous because the remote machine is actually translating network -> NTFS.
[12:20] <andrewski> gdh: oh. :)
[12:20] <gdh> and if the remote machine is a Windows box, then NTFS is native to that platform
[12:20] <smouche> oh boy -- I've been backing stuff up to ntfs via smb-client.. from linux to windows, that is...
[12:20] <andrewski> smouche: listen to gdh :)
[12:20] <gdh> andrewski: It makes a refreshing change to hear that :)
[12:21] <gdh> I'm surprised nobody's done an 'ndiswrapper' for NTFS up to now
[12:21] <andrewski> i'm sure it's been tried.
[12:21] <gdh> in the same way that SysInternals did NTFS for Win98, etc.
[12:21] <smouche> thanks, andrewski, gdh -- I'm being paranoid, cause I trashed a drive last night -- but I think windows did that all by itself...
[12:22] <gdh> smouche: Better to be too careful than to lose a whole ton...
[12:22] <spikeb> hey i have a question
[12:23] <spikeb> anyone else having a problem installing kubuntu because it trys forever to contact the security updates server?
[12:23] <cooler> ok... i will download kubuntu-install so
[12:23] <cooler> cya
[12:23] <smouche> I looked at it as simply being like downloading stuff from any server, that a safe translation had to be happening... but I'm ignorant and paranoid, due to years of windows usage...
[12:23] <smouche> anyway, I can manage without a Samba server for now, I think...
[12:25] <spikeb> btw, kubuntu uses the ubuntulinux.org servers right?
[12:25] <spikeb> (for apt, security, etc)
[12:27] <andrewski> spikeb: yes, it's mostly ubuntu but with kde on the cd.
[12:27] <gdh> s/mostly//
[12:27] <gdh> :)
[12:27] <andrewski> heh
[12:27] <smouche> are the servers holding up under the strain of the new stable release?
[12:28] <Riddell> smouche: gb.ubuntu has had problems, others are fine
[12:28] <gdh> smouche: well, www.ubuntulinux.org was dead for many hours this afternoon...
[12:28] <smouche> I want to burn various flavors of the live and install cds, to hurl at my friends left and right... 
[12:29] <smouche> guess I'll wait a couple days to start some bittorrents... unless there are mirrors?
[12:29] <gdh> someone posted torrent links earlier...
[12:30] <smouche> I wish there were an ubuntu-xfce distro already...
[12:30] <spikeb> alright
[12:30] <spikeb> it's better now
[12:30] <spikeb> smouche gotta have people who know how to do the packaging and know the installer, first
[12:33] <andrewski> man, i think kde's file dialog window is crappy.  i've grown to love gtk's new one.
[12:33] <spikeb> andrewski the new xfce file manager will have a mode based on the gtk file selector
[12:34] <smouche> looking at the logs for x-chat today -- this is all I found for torrents -- http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[12:34] <andrewski> spikeb: yeah, i know.  xfce's my usual DE.  i'm just griping about kde's "open file" dialog, hard to browse. :)
[12:35] <smouche> I like the rox file manager myself.
[12:35] <smouche> works beautifully with kde and xfce
[12:35] <spikeb> andrewski you should get together people for XFUbuntu heh
[12:35] <gdh> rox is quite interesting, just not integrated with anything else :)
[12:35] <andrewski> smouche: yeah, i use it now, but i'm quite interested in thunar (xfce's)
[12:36] <andrewski> spikeb: hmm, didn't know about it.  where is it?
[12:36] <gdh> oh no hang on I'm thinking of something else
[12:36] <andrewski> i.e. is there a group?
[12:36] <spikeb> andrewski it's not, there's been talk, but there's no group yet
[12:36] <smouche> it's so much more pleasant to change views and see details on permissions, etc, in rox-filer.
[12:37] <smouche> and it has never crashed on me.
[12:37] <andrewski> smouche: over what?
[12:37] <smouche> compared to konqueror, I mean, andrewski
[12:37] <spikeb> andrewski all that is basically needed is some folks who know how to modify the installer to install xfce by default, and of course xfce-default settings
[12:37] <spikeb> andrewski and make an iso
[12:37] <andrewski> smouche: ah, never used konq.
[12:38] <andrewski> how can i load my gnome/gtk settings in kde?
[12:38] <smouche> konq kongs out freak-uently
[12:39] <mikmak> hi
[12:39] <mikmak> small question : stable release will only get security updates or can it get bug fixes too ?
[12:40] <Tm_T> yes
[12:40] <andrewski> mikmak: i think it gets same-version bugfixes, but not version changes.  can anyone confirm that or refute me? ;P
[12:40] <Tm_T> if there's any
[12:40] <spikeb> andrewski confirm
[12:40] <mikmak> so for example, it would not get kde 3.4.1 ?
[12:41] <cafeina> hello
[12:41] <mikmak> but some bug fixes could be backported in kde 3.4.0 packages ?
[12:41] <cafeina> can someone help me installing a kde locale ?
[12:41] <smouche> I think that's right andrewski; what happened with me with warty vs hoary, is that before it was officially stable seemed far more stable in fact that warty...
[12:42] <andrewski> smouche: yes, it's often good to upgrade versions of things. :)
[12:42] <smouche> I mean, hoary was "more stable than warty" for me... typos!
[12:42] <andrewski> xfree -> xorg e.g.
[12:42] <smouche> yeah!
[12:44] <andrewski> one of the pitfalls of a release distro.
[12:44] <smouche> heh heh, I can't wait to see the servers groaning under the traffic in another six months!
[12:44] <andrewski> another is server drag. :P
[12:44] <Kortor> back
[12:44] <smouche> where will this distro be in another, say three years!?  
[12:44] <andrewski> Kortor: front?
[12:44] <Kortor> andrewski: side
[12:46] <smouche> andrewski, or anyone, have you tried "zero install"  ?  the rox desktop (xfce oriented, I think) uses that for all packages...
[12:46] <spikeb> smouche it'll have the latest and greatest kde and gnome then too!
[12:46] <spikeb> smouche excites the crap out of me
[12:46] <andrewski> smouche: no, rox isn't really xfce-oriented.
[12:46] <andrewski> smouche: and i haven't used it, but it sounds interesting.
[12:47] <smouche> glad to hear it spikeb ! ;-)
[12:47] <spikeb> lol :)
[12:48] <gdh> smouche: Riddell was interviewing the devels of that recently
[12:48] <gdh> smouche: so if he's still awake, he's probably the guy to speak to
[12:48] <smouche> zero install?
[12:48] <gdh> smouche: Yes.
[12:48] <spikeb> is Riddell somebody official?
[12:48] <spikeb> heh
[12:49] <gdh> Riddell is Jonathan Riddell, one of the main Kubuntu people.
[12:49] <andrewski> so no one knows how to load gnome settings on kde startup?
[12:49] <smouche> it seems like a great idea; I'm gonna try it on my (oh the pain) just reformatted large hd on my (formerly windows) box...
[12:49] <spikeb> holy buckets
[12:49] <spikeb> cool
[12:49] <gdh> spikeb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JonathanRiddell
[12:49] <spikeb> smouche i'm going to be setting up either ubuntu or kubuntu for my brother in law, probably tonight.
[12:49] <smouche> apt-get is great, but zero install sounds very intriguing...
[12:50] <andrewski> spikeb: which one?
[12:50] <spikeb> andrewski i haven't decided which yet.
[12:50] <smouche> gonna let him decide which one, spikeb, show em both live cd's?
[12:50] <andrewski> spikeb: wanna talk about it? :P
[12:50] <spikeb> smouche nope, he doesn't care heh
[12:50] <spikeb> andrewski sure :)
[12:51] <andrewski> spikeb: hmm, show him screenshots?  ask him if he want a lot of configurability?
[12:51] <spikeb> andrewski i know he doesn't want a lot of configurability. he uses two things on his computer - his browser, and his media application
[12:52] <smouche> I'm trying to think which one is going to mean more technical support from you, or more of a pissed off wife (or sister?) for him...
[12:52] <andrewski> spikeb: hmm, maybe gnome would be better then.
[12:52] <spikeb> yeah that is what im thinking
[12:52] <smouche> yeah, gnome...
[12:52] <spikeb> less tweaking for me
[12:52] <gdh> GNOME doesn't provide many options because it is Already Perfect, etc.
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[12:52] <Riddell> gdh: never heard of zero install
[12:53] <andrewski> i'm still undecided on which is better... less features and good defaults or decent defaults but a lot of configurability.
[12:53] <gdh> Riddell: It must've been a dream then :)
[12:53] <smouche> set up some nice drawers for him, and the cool weather applet on a panel, he'll be happy.
[12:53] <spikeb> MY wife, on the other hand, is going to run kubuntu - she does more, and likes KDE's configurability
[12:53] <andrewski> why is the default graphic (used in the kubuntu login screen) pixelated and ugly?
[12:53] <spikeb> hmm
[12:53] <spikeb> i havent seen it heh
[12:54] <gdh> Riddell: ah now I understand.... "[Sun Apr 3 2005]  [01:52:26]  <Riddell>   anyone got questions about zeroconf support oin KDE?"
[12:54] <Riddell> andrewski: screenshot?
[12:54] <andrewski> it's rather distracting from the otherwise slick install/startup :)
[12:54] <gdh> well, I was close :)
[12:54] <spikeb> yeah zeroconf is not zeroinstall ;)
[12:54] <smouche> any image with gradients looks horrible on my amd64 for some reason -- but- this weird, setting xorg to use 16 bits instead of 24 improved things a lot there...
[12:54] <Riddell> gdh: zeroconf very differnt :)
[12:54] <gdh> my memory is very random-access....
[12:54] <andrewski> Riddell: how do i take a screenshot quickly in kde?  besides import?
[12:55] <Myrth|> Don't suppose any of you kind folks could give me a bit of help, hmm?
[12:55] <Riddell> andrewski: ksnapshot
[12:55] <gdh> andrewski: Ctrl-Prtsc ? :)
[12:55] <gdh> or ksnapshot, yeh.
[12:55] <spikeb> possibly Myrth|
[12:55] <smouche> ksnapshot is a great app!
[12:55] <andrewski> gdh: where does ctrl+prtsc save the file?
[12:55] <smouche> much much better than the gnome thing for screenshots
[12:56] <spikeb> i used to use gimp for SSs
[12:56] <gdh> andrewski: Clipboard, same as in Windows
[12:56] <Myrth|> I'm using the kubuntu liveCD, and I need to change the network settings to get it to network through my wlan card, not the ethernet
[12:56] <smouche> andrewski, I can't get prtsc to work for some reason...
[12:56] <andrewski> gdh: and where do i save it?
[12:56] <cafeina> I installed kubuntu and chose my locale (polish) during the installation, but it's not there..everything is in english and I can't choose it from the control center. In kynaptic it is "installed" though.. 
[12:56] <gdh> andrewski: paste it into KolourPaint
[12:56] <spikeb> hmmmmmmm
[12:56] <gdh> or any other graphics app
[12:56] <gdh> (or just use KSnapshot :)
[12:56] <spikeb> how come kde doesn't use kindustrial or qt-industrial?
[12:57] <Myrth|> On the KDE Control Module for Network Settings, it saids I need root access to modify the settings and to click the 'Administrator Mode' button to allow access
[12:57] <smouche> oh my, it does work! hah hah, I didn't realize I could view the image in klipper, !
[12:57] <Myrth|> But there's no 'Administrator Mode' button
[12:57] <Myrth|> :(
[12:57] <gdh> smouche: Ooh that's cool :D 
[12:57] <Myrth|> Is there another way to run it as root?
[12:57] <gdh> smouche: A new thing learnt every day!
[12:57] <spikeb> Myrth| i think you are automatically the administrator in the livecd
[12:57] <andrewski> smouche: yeah, just realised that too. :)
[12:57] <smouche> andrewski, you're much better off using ksnapshot, I think
[12:58] <Myrth|> Yeah - but you need to click the 'Administrator Mode' button to get root access
[12:58] <andrewski> smouche: nope, can't do it while loading the fullscreen splash.
[12:58] <smouche> you can set it for fullscreen, window, region, very nice
[12:58] <smouche> ah, I see, andrewski
[12:58] <Myrth|> All the buttons are greyed out
[12:58] <spikeb> Myrth| try typing sudo kcontrol in a terminal window
[12:58] <spikeb> that should launch it as root for sure
[12:59] <Myrth|> Hmmm... maybe it's the screen resolution that's blocking the button
[12:59] <andrewski> smouche: though in the future, i may bind prtsc to it. ;)
[12:59] <cafeina> how do I enable a new locale in KDE ? 
[01:00] <andrewski> cafeina: in the control center?
[01:00] <Tm_T> cafeina: from Control Centre
[01:00] <smouche> ok, now that I've got a couple of screenshots in klipper, it is, of course, acting sludgy and slow -- is there any way I can remove one entry from klipper without clearing the whole history?
[01:00] <cafeina> I have it installed, but in the control center I can't choose it
[01:00] <cafeina> only USA locale is there
[01:00] <Tm_T> smouche: yes
[01:00] <smouche> how do I do that, Tm_T -- I can't figure it out...
[01:01] <Tm_T> I don't remember =)
[01:01] <Tm_T> but I have done it
[01:01] <andrewski> Riddell: http://img29.exs.cx/img29/9670/kubuntugraininess0ei.png
[01:02] <Tm_T> smouche: try klipper help
[01:02] <andrewski> Riddell: the text is grainy around the edges and the logo isn't very crisp.
[01:03] <Riddell> andrewski: what's the resolution of your monitor?
[01:03] <gdh> andrewski: I think that's simply a 1024 graphic stretched to 1280
[01:03] <spikeb> yeah it might be
[01:03] <andrewski> Riddell: yeah, i'm at 1280
[01:04] <gdh> and the algorithm used for the stretch is very simple
[01:04] <andrewski> but still, that's more grainy than just a stretched graphic would be....
[01:04] <spikeb> not really
[01:04] <spikeb> depends on the file format
[01:04] <gdh> Aaah! That's what kipi-plugins are for :)
[01:05] <smouche> nope, Tm_T, the klipper manual ain't any help on this...
[01:05] <andrewski> hmm... looks like it's significantly smaller than my screen (chosen as background and centered)
[01:05] <spikeb> what the heck is kipi?
[01:05] <smouche> just have to clear the whole thing...
[01:05] <spikeb> andrewski yup
[01:06] <gdh> spikeb: google says http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/
[01:06] <alex> hello
[01:06] <Riddell> file /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Background.png
[01:06] <Myrth|> Yay, Kubuntu now works with my wi-fi network
[01:06] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Background.png: PNG image data, 1024 x 768, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
[01:06] <Myrth|> Thanks guys :D
[01:06] <spikeb> ah HA
[01:06] <spikeb> gdh/google: thanks ;)
[01:06] <alex> i just entered the internet with my brand new kubuntu installation!!!!!!!!!!
[01:06] <spikeb> yay alex :)
[01:06] <Riddell> andrewski: yep, that's my fault
[01:07] <Myrth|> Happiness all round ^___^
[01:07] <spikeb> and yay Myrth|
[01:07] <gdh> alex: I hope you had permission from its father :)
[01:07] <Riddell> andrewski: could you file a report in bugzilla
[01:07] <andrewski> Riddell: i don't get it... it's not ideal?
[01:07] <alex> ah ha
[01:07] <Myrth|> Anywho, back to irc.esper.net
[01:07] <alex> one problem
[01:07] <alex> how can i use root?
[01:08] <spikeb> alex sudo
[01:08] <smouche> easy answer, alex.  You don't.  You use "sudo" and your password instead.
[01:08] <andrewski> gdh: :D
[01:08] <alex> explain please
[01:08] <gdh> andrewski: If I had a lever which would cause the floor to open up... :)
[01:08] <Riddell> andrewski: well the kdm login theme and the wallpaper are both SVGs but ksplash uses PNGs so the best answer is to get ksplash using SVG but using a larger PNG would be a quick fix
[01:08] <spikeb> alex if you're running an app that needs root privs, it will ask for them. if you want to run a command wiht it, you type sudo command
[01:08] <haggai> Riddell: *yawn* so you're up, must be time for me to go to bed :)
[01:08] <spikeb> alex and type your password when asked, with either method
[01:09] <Riddell> haggai:  :)  maybe when I go to australia I'll get sensible sleep patterns
[01:09] <haggai> Riddell: no when you go to australia you'll be awake during the european day ;) night
[01:09] <andrewski> Riddell: i'll assume you know what you're talking about and just file the bugreport.  under what should i file it?
[01:09] <Riddell> andrewski: kubuntu, ksplash (or kdebase if ksplash isn't in there)
[01:10] <andrewski> Riddell: and you'll get the CC, right?
[01:10] <alex> ok, thanks
[01:10] <Riddell> andrewski: yep, it'll come through on the kubuntu-bugs mailing list
[01:10] <andrewski> Riddell: ok, great.  thanks.
[01:10] <spikeb> alex you're welcome :)
[01:10] <andrewski> bugzilla site?
[01:10] <spikeb> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org IIRC
[01:11] <andrewski> is it down/
[01:11] <andrewski> ?
[01:11] <alex> another problem, i can't use kynaptic
[01:11] <gdh> andrewski: Be sure to file a bug about that too :)
[01:11] <spikeb> oh
[01:11] <andrewski> lol
[01:11] <spikeb> andrewski it's bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:11] <_ReDRuM_> evening
[01:11] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: woo
[01:11] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: thanks for the openvpn tip it's *exactly* what i was looking for :)
[01:11] <alex> it asks for a password, i enter mine, press ener, and nothing happens
[01:12] <spikeb> hmm
[01:12] <gdh> loren|goldeneye: don't forget to shoot your ugly sidekick
[01:12] <andrewski> spikeb: i still can't connect. :/
[01:12] <spikeb> andrewski works here
[01:12] <spikeb> gdh amen to that lol
[01:12] <andrewski> spikeb: hmm, is konq messed up?
[01:12] <spikeb> dont think so andrewski
[01:12] <andrewski> spikeb: An error occurred while loading http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com:
[01:12] <andrewski> Could not connect to host bugzilla.ubuntu.com.
[01:12] <loren|goldeneye> rofl gdh lol, i need to play something i really need a vacation lol, so exhausted
[01:13] <gdh> hey, play a dancing-mat game :)
[01:13] <gdh> feel the adrenalin
[01:13] <gdh> it's better having drunk half a bottle of whisky first
[01:13] <spikeb> andrewski works here, although slowly
[01:14] <gdh> and better still if there's nobody else to record the event on video :)
[01:14] <andrewski> spikeb: damn, i didn't even get as far as configuring konq!
[01:15] <andrewski> hey, under power control, it says "Your computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation. ACPI was probably enabled, but some of the sub-options were not - you need to enable at least 'AC Adaptor' and 'Control Method Battery' and then rebuild your kernel."  is there any way around this?
[01:16] <ubuntu> fgj
[01:16] <_ReDRuM_> turn off ACPI power management in BIOS?
[01:17] <andrewski> hmm, didn't even know that was possible.  i'll have to do that.
[01:17] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: so the bios acpi overrides the kernel's settings?
[01:17] <_ReDRuM_> i figured the kernel probably read BIOS if it couldnt find anywhere else to get settings from
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> maybe you can feed it ACPI=OFF type kernel command line option too.
[01:18] <andrewski> hmm
[01:18] <gdh> or is it 'noacpi' ?
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> (don't know tho)
[01:18] <andrewski> wouldn't that turn it off in the kernel though?
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: no idea i dont have it on this isnt a laptop :)
[01:18] <gdh> yes it would
[01:19] <andrewski> i want it on in the kernel so i can take advantage of it. :P
[01:19] <gdh> :)
[01:19] <andrewski> and i'm not on a laptop either, but i still have acpi support, right?
[01:19] <_ReDRuM_> why do you want it - the power management side of it is useless unless its laptops really
[01:19] <gdh> ACPI on desktops is used for nice things like speedstep and hibernation I think...
[01:19] <gdh> although tbh I disable it all because I've never understood how it works
[01:20] <_ReDRuM_> i only use hibernation for windoze
[01:20] <_ReDRuM_> linux stays on
[01:20] <andrewski> indeed, hibernation would be one.  monitor turning off would be another.
[01:20] <_ReDRuM_> speedstep? pointless :)
[01:20] <alex> i'm not logged in as root, how can edit and save etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:20] <_ReDRuM_> good for laptops to save power
[01:21] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: desktops use a lot of power too and i'm not made of money. :P
[01:21] <_ReDRuM_> alex: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:21] <spikeb> so is java ever going into multiverse ?
[01:21] <alex> thanks
[01:21] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: your CPU doesnt burn much more than your lightbulb
[01:22] <_ReDRuM_> spikeb: unlikely cause its restricted licence wouldnt allow you to put suns jre in there, i dont know why they dont put blackdown in but im sure they have a good reason
[01:22] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: with two HDs even?
[01:22] <_ReDRuM_> spikeb: it's only a minor inconvenience, goto suns site and install it with the auto-extracter
[01:22] <alex> i get an error: "kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed."
[01:22] <spikeb> _ReDRuM_ only reason i care is i want my mom to be able to point and click to a java installation heh
[01:23] <smouche> alex, I get that kate error all the time!
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: tbh no idea how much power an HD uses - your CPU wouldnt burn much more than a lightbulb even with 2 hds in... i was talking about speedstep
[01:23] <smouche> I don't understand it at all...
[01:23] <alex> smouche: so, what's the problem?
[01:23] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: tbh i don't even know what speedstep is and if it's CPU scaling, i'm not interested. :P
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: it is
[01:23] <smouche> If I knew, alex, I wouldn't have the problem anymore -- ;-)
[01:24] <_ReDRuM_> one of the things ACPI lets you do apparantly
[01:24] <_ReDRuM_> i think of all that as "laptop features
[01:24] <alex> ok
[01:24] <smouche> I use nano if edit system files anyway
[01:24] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: yeah, true.  i really only want hibernation and monitor control, especially now that xfce supports session saving.
[01:25] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: to summarise :P, i'll try disabling the bios acpi.
[01:25] <spikeb> me too smouche
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: go and turn on all the ACPI stuff in bios then :)
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> instead of turning it off
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> maybe that will work.
[01:25] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: i'll toggle. ^_^
[01:25] <spikeb> yeah sometimes that does do the trick
[01:25] <spikeb> did it on my old computer
[01:26] <gdh> speedstep  / cpufreq is good to keep noise down when all you're doing is talking shit on IRC :)
[01:26] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: nothing can help the machine I irc from it's got 7 fans in it
[01:27] <_ReDRuM_> sounds like a bloody lawnmower
[01:27] <gdh> Erk :)
[01:27] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: If you tell me you have a water kit or neon lights, I'll have to kill you =
[01:27] <gdh> =)
[01:27] <smouche> yeah, gdh, my laptop fan almost never comes on -- running amd64 at 798 MHz most of the time.
[01:27] <_ReDRuM_> gdh - i do have neons :)
[01:27] <gdh> uh oh :)
[01:27] <alex> smouche: what's the solution?
[01:27] <smouche> alex?  solution to what?
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> gdh - huge black tower monstrosity with blue neon fans on every orifice
[01:28] <alex> smouche: the error, is there anothe editor i can use?
[01:28] <smouche> if you're talking about kate krashing, I don't know.  Konqueror krashes on me too.
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> KDE just crashes
[01:28] <spikeb> smouche sounds buggy :(
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> it's not all that stable
[01:28] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: And you used to be a Gentoo user, right?
[01:28] <spikeb> why not?
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: not anymore
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> im using kubuntu now :)
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> ive still got a gentoo machine but not this one
[01:29] <smouche> alex, sorry -- use "sudo nano" instead of "sudo kate" in the instructions someone gave you above.
[01:29] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Why am I not surprised you used Gentoo at some point? :)
[01:29] <spikeb> if kde isn't all that stable, i should hold off on having my wife try kubuntu. :(
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: we all make mistakes :P
[01:29] <gdh> hehe
[01:30] <gdh> I have a 5-yr old P3-650 and I simply can't warrant upgrading given how little useful computing I do...
[01:30] <alex> smouche: ok
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> spikeb: important stuff like openoffice doesn't crash
[01:30] <gdh> IRC, web and mail doesn't need 3GHz of grunt.. :|
[01:30] <andrewski> i like how the fonts are configurable outside of the theme in kdm. :)
[01:30] <spikeb> _ReDRuM_ the environment itself is kind of important...heh
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> spikeb: eh i guess, i think the productivity bonuses and flexibility outweigh the minor disturbances in a few kde apps...
[01:31] <andrewski> it's the little things....
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> kde > * shh
[01:31] <spikeb> the little things are why i personally use a mac as my everyday machine :P
[01:32] <alex> smouche: it woked!!!
[01:32] <alex> *worked
[01:32] <smouche> good!  alex
[01:32] <_ReDRuM_> anyone else get ctcps from perv?
[01:32] <spikeb> i didnt
[01:32] <andrewski> spikeb: not a bad idea.
[01:33] <gdh> nop, you must just be the sort perv's after
[01:33] <andrewski> ooh, now that i'm using kde, how do i get kompose to work?
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: eh, who'd blame him.
[01:33] <gdh> =)
[01:33] <smouche> speaking of woks, I've got to get myself something to eat; damn, I should have gotten out of this house while the sun was still up...
[01:33] <smouche> adios all, have fun
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: ciao
[01:34] <Kortor> oh, I got a couple good jokes here
[01:34] <Kortor> well, not jokes so much, but you'll see
[01:34] <Kortor> "The 8-ball is truer than anyone thought! Long before Outlook came out, the 8-ball predicted it! 'Outlook not good'!"
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[01:34] <Kortor> oh yeah, and this is a funny oxymoron
[01:34] <Kortor> Microsoft Works
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> ooold :)
[01:35] <gdh> Heh old =)
[01:35] <Tm_T> uh, absinthe <3
[01:35] <gdh> a la military intelligence...
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> here's another one, kotors jokes :)
[01:35] <gdh> Tm_T: agh bad bad shit...
[01:35] <Tm_T> gdh: nope, sweeet <3
[01:35] <Kortor> meh
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: the outlook one was amusing
[01:36] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: Meh. :P
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> hmm. how to stop my desktop looking like complete shite...
[01:36] <gdh> the only joke I can think of at the moment would probably cause widespread offence :)
[01:36] <Tm_T> gdh: what's wrong with absinthe?
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i hear that...
[01:37] <gdh> Tm_T: wormwood? nice....
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> any other theme sites but KDE look?
[01:37] <spikeb> not that i know of
[01:37] <Tm_T> gdh: who says you should drink it too much ;)
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> sucky
[01:37] <gdh> Feh :)
[01:37] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: there is, just goolge ;)
[01:38] <Tm_T> typoxiit!
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: you google.
[01:38] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I'll do that
[01:38] <gdh> themes - feh... I have a plain background and no icons =)
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i've been corrupted by www.deviantart.com while i was in windows
[01:38] <Tm_T> gdh: who need icons, Konsole is all you need ;)
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> still worth checking out for desktop pictures and prints for your home/office if your into that
[01:39] <gdh> really need to be www.DebianTart.com
[01:39] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[01:39] <gdh> I know one of the guys who admins that site...
[01:39] <gdh> I just don't 'do' graphics....
[01:39] <gdh> less is more...
[01:39] <DooD> hello guyd
[01:39] <Tm_T> =)
[01:39] <DooD> guys*
[01:39] <alex> does anyone know, where i can get realplayer?
[01:40] <DooD> do you people suggest installing kubuntu?
[01:40] <Kortor> gdh: tell it anyway. wont offend me. :P
[01:40] <Tm_T> DooD: YES!
[01:40] <DooD> is it compareable to gnome?
[01:40] <alex> i definately do
[01:40] <Tm_T> DooD: KDE is much better than gnome!
[01:40] <Tm_T> =)
[01:40] <alex> DooD: yes, i do
[01:40] <gdh> alex: sure, it's in multiverse
[01:40] <alex> DooD: i agree
[01:40] <DooD> what does kde have that gnome doesn't
[01:40] <gdh> alex: put this line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:40] <alex> gdh: is that in the default apt source list?
[01:41] <gdh> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[01:41] <andrewski> DooD: qt.
[01:41] <Tm_T> gdh: Simply enough?  http://xob.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture_irssi.png
[01:41] <DooD> what else
[01:41] <gdh> then install package 'realplayer'
[01:41] <DooD> cause i can install qt on gnome too
[01:41] <andrewski> DooD: a more robust consistent desktop, IMO.
[01:41] <Tm_T> DooD: much easier to use
[01:41] <alex> gdh: merci
[01:41] <andrewski> DooD: yes, but gnome doesn't use it.  kde does.
[01:42] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: You can make things look pretty nice by using parts of different things on kde-look and combining them. I set myself up a really nice one with parts of 2 different themes
[01:42] <Tm_T> =)
[01:42] <Tm_T> Kortor: capture ?
[01:42] <gdh> Tm_T: Ah you lose points on the 'metal' background kicker and Gaim and GMPlayer ashtray icons :)
[01:42] <DooD> what about graphics
[01:42] <DooD> is kde good in graphics
[01:42] <Tm_T> gdh: gmplayer?
[01:42] <Kortor> Tm_T: Was on my old debian. Moday ill set it up on my new kubuntu and give ya a screenshot
[01:42] <andrewski> DooD: it doesn't have support for SVG icon themes (yet).
[01:42] <Tm_T> Kortor: nice
[01:42] <gdh> Tm_T: that's what it looked like anyway - the blue 'Play' icon ?
[01:43] <andrewski> DooD: what else do you mean?
[01:43] <Tm_T> gdh: its firestarter, firewall gui
[01:43] <DooD> i want 3d graphics
[01:43] <Kortor> Tm_T: I used the color scheme from BlueIce and AKDC Corona as a windeco. it made a really nice steel blue theme.
[01:43] <gdh> ahh a GNOME app anyway so the background of the ashtray icon is ugly :)
[01:43] <Kortor> Tm_T: And Smooth KDE - Blue Binary as a background
[01:43] <Tm_T> gdh: yes, but I don't care
[01:44] <andrewski> DooD: dunno
[01:44] <Tm_T> Kortor: sound's nice
[01:44] <gdh> Tm_T: I shouldn't care, but that kind of thing would annoy me :)
[01:44] <DooD> alright
[01:44] <DooD> thanks for the help
[01:44] <alex> gdh: the installation is asking for where it's been downloaded to
[01:44] <Kortor> Tm_T: It was. ill show you monday, if you're around
[01:44] <DooD> i think i'll try it out
[01:44] <Kortor> bye all
[01:44] <andrewski> DooD: but the gimp is GTK (like Gnome)
[01:44] <Tm_T> bye
[01:45] <gdh> alex: Ah OK follow the directions? chances are you have to download the .bin or .rpm version of the realplayer from Real.com 
[01:45] <gdh> it should give you links.... I've never used that crap so I don't know the details...
[01:45] <DooD> i already have gimp on my pc
[01:45] <alex> gdh:ok
[01:45] <DooD> what about imagej
[01:45] <DooD> does it work under kde?
[01:45] <Tm_T> DooD: I think it will
[01:46] <Tm_T> why not
[01:46] <andrewski> DooD: well, IMO there are some apps that can't be duplicated in kde that won't theme correctly.  there's the (bit buggy) gtk-qt engine though.
[01:46] <incubii> hmmm i dont like konversation, still prefer xchat
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> http://xs404.xs.to/pics/05140/snapshot3.jpg
[01:46] <DooD> i see
[01:46] <DooD> i have kdevelop installed on my gnome
[01:46] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: blech :)
[01:47] <DooD> do you think i'll have trouble with it when i install kubuntu
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> hehe
[01:47] <gdh> EAQUA
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: before i reformatted my KDE was slick lookin - now its one ugly mess :P
[01:47] <gdh> Redo from start
[01:47] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: at least you admit the folly of your ways. :P
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: it wasnt about the "look at this" it was the spyware joke :P
[01:47] <psn> incubii: what's your problems with konversation?
[01:48] <incubii> its ugly and clunky
[01:48] <andrewski> ah, ok. :)
[01:48] <incubii> :)
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> doesn't work in kubuntu for me
[01:48] <psn> incubii: ah that was helpfull... not
[01:48] <incubii> does baghira have any bugs ?
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: worked for some other guy who uses it with kubuntu but doesnt work for me :(
[01:49] <incubii> :)
[01:49] <andrewski> is there a good style to go with baghira?
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> baghira style? :)
[01:49] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: hmm, didn't see that one.  geez! O_o
[01:49] <Tm_T> incubii: don't use graphical client, use irssi ;)
[01:49] <incubii> ah ok.
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> i liked baghira style
[01:50] <incubii> is it very big in size?
[01:50] <Tm_T> I use baghire
[01:50] <Tm_T> a
[01:50] <Tm_T> Deep Purple - Jam Stew
[01:50] <incubii> yes i know you use irssi :P
[01:50] <Tm_T> haha
[01:51] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: lol, that is ironic.
[01:51] <Tm_T> incubii: yes I bet ;)
[01:51] <andrewski> someone should add that to the topic. :)
[01:51] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: nerds?
[01:51] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: nebies ;)
[01:51] <Tm_T> +w
[01:51] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: :))
[01:52] <andrewski> so what must one do to take advantage of compositing in kde?
[01:52] <Tm_T> bah, maybe I just shut my X and use my 1G ram more effectively ;p
[01:52] <incubii> my windows fox uses bblean
[01:52] <incubii> box*
[01:52] <incubii> non of the admins know how to use it
[01:52] <incubii> :D
[01:52] <_ReDRuM_> your windows fox?
[01:52] <_ReDRuM_> is that your girl or your pc? :)
[01:52] <Tm_T> haha
[01:53] <incubii> my pc :P
[01:53] <Tm_T> uhm, sorry guys, but I'm off ->
[01:53] <incubii> my girl is sleeping
[01:53] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: oh. :( mye
[01:53] <_ReDRuM_> bye
[01:53] <incubii> bye Tm_T 
[01:53] <gdh> Tm_T is off... well at least we know what the smell was, now.
[01:54] <incubii> lol
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> he is a proper mon tho innit :)
[01:54] <gdh> hey 10/10 people who expressed a preference chose gdh
[01:54] <gdh> .... although I may have slipped them a fiver beforehand.
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> s/mon/mong/
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: such cheap syphocants.
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: where do you shop? :)
[01:55] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: shop for what?
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> n/m
[01:56] <incubii> go lo
[01:56] <spikeb> i wonder if ubuntu/kubuntu PPC is better than it was with the warty release heh
[01:57] <gdh> spikeb: Not if you listen to Roey  :)
[01:57] <incubii> woa i actually mounted my ipod on kubuntu release without touching fstab
[01:57] <incubii> rock on
[01:57] <spikeb> bah
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> vi > kubuntu > kde > everything  > *
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> K THX.
[01:57] <gdh> Sorry, Roey has AMD64 'issues' not PPC, my mistake
[01:57] <spikeb> hehe
[01:58] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: LOLWTFBBQ!!!!!!11111!!!111oneeleven!!!11111
[01:58] <spikeb> only issues i had with warty and ppc were keyboard related
[01:58] <andrewski> so can one use compositing in kde?
[01:58] <gdh> ... one can if one believe one can.... <ting>
[01:58] <gdh> now everyone say 'Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm'
[01:59] <spikeb> yes andrewski, if one has it enabled
[01:59] <spikeb> heh
[01:59] <andrewski> wow, you've all gone loopy.
[01:59] <incubii> there is no KDE
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> there is only vi
[01:59] <gdh> apt-get install nirvana
[01:59] <andrewski> spikeb: i do (in xorg.conf), can i enable it for kwin?
[01:59] <incubii> spikeb: im using kubuntu on PPC right now
[01:59] <spikeb> andrewski yes. 
[01:59] <spikeb> incubii how is it?
[01:59] <andrewski> spikeb: how?
[01:59] <spikeb> andrewski dont ask how. i don't know heh
[02:00] <andrewski> heh... i'll look around the wiki.
[02:01] <incubii> the release version is so much better. I had problems with xpallete on bootup, kb not working, sound etc, but after a clean install of it everything appears to be working correctly
[02:02] <incubii> even the keyboards special keys work
[02:02] <gdh> hm, that's a useful feature. everything is listed twice in konq's 'detail view'
[02:02] <incubii> :D
[02:02] <gdh> just in case I missed it the first time...
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[02:02] <incubii> incase you missed it the first time gdh
[02:02] <incubii> yay lag
[02:02] <gdh> woo echo :D
[02:02] <gdh> haha
[02:03] <spikeb> incubii very good
[02:03] <spikeb> incubii how bout the number pad?
[02:03] <incubii> dont blame me im on 28.8kb dialup  :P
[02:03] <gdh> wow even better it only does it in my homedir
[02:03] <incubii> yes even that works
[02:03] <spikeb> very good
[02:03] <incubii> except for the fact my clear button is now numlock
[02:03] <spikeb> incubii then the issues are gone :)
[02:04] <incubii> lol
[02:04] <gdh> mm rox is very good and *FAST*
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> how to crash konversation 101. disconnect from all servers, press reconnect
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> rox isnt exactly konqueror
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> it's better than 98% of the shite out there tho.
[02:05] <gdh> for basic file navigation it, er, rox :)
[02:05] <_ReDRuM_> i used it before KDE owned me
[02:07] <incubii> all i need to test now spikeb is if DVDs will crash konq or not
[02:07] <gdh> I dunno... GTK looks altogether much more clean as a pure widget set. but KDE as a whole environment has far more choice...
[02:07] <andrewski> wow, kynaptic leaves much to be desired...
[02:07] <gdh> andrewski: Yes, it's rather early :)
[02:07] <andrewski> gdh: oh, it's only recently being developed?
[02:07] <gdh> update, search and dist-upgrade.. that's about it :)
[02:07] <incubii> yeah kynaptic would be better if it at least showed the description not in a tool tip
[02:08] <andrewski> heh
[02:08] <andrewski> makes more sense then.
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> kynaptec is a joke
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> install kpackage
[02:08] <andrewski> kpackage?  is that another apt frontend?
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[02:08] <incubii> everyone keeps telling me kpackage is a nice replacement but i prefer synaptic, or the konsole with apt
[02:09] <_ReDRuM_> you only prefer synaptic cause your use to it :)
[02:09] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: I like breathing =)
[02:09] <incubii> im use to kpackage also
[02:09] <gdh> It works well for me .. can't see any need to switch :)
[02:09] <incubii> on everything but debian
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: heh bad memories? :P
[02:10] <andrewski> well shoot, GTK apps are colored with kde.  that's crap.
[02:10] <incubii> we use vi on windows at work _ReDRuM_ 
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: respect.
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> a minor butchering but hey if you cant fix it a vi-shaped band-aid is all good.
[02:10] <incubii> hehe
[02:10] <incubii> it works nicely
[02:11] <_ReDRuM_> until it crashes your hd
[02:11] <incubii> never had that problem
[02:12] <loren> anyone used Yoper?
[02:12] <_ReDRuM_> the problem ive had with windows... it works fine, flawlessly, i wonder why everyone complains... i think "must be configd wrong, n00bs" sit around in my microsoft castle enjoying the microsoft total dominion thing going on... then out of the blue, b00m, microsoft hotfix crashes my hd
[02:12] <_ReDRuM_> thats a true story
[02:12] <loren> rofl
[02:12] <loren> indeed
[02:12] <incubii> heh
[02:12] <incubii> i havent hotfixed my boxes yet
[02:13] <andrewski> LOL
[02:13] <incubii> :D
[02:13] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: IPs? :D
[02:13] <incubii> its more stable without them
[02:13] <andrewski> but not *at* you, _ReDRuM_ :)
[02:13] <gdh> Our cheapo HP ScanJet worked until a recent IE 'fix' managed to kill its stupid IE+Javascript based interface
[02:13] <incubii> and i still have yet to get malware or viruses
[02:13] <incubii> heh gdh
[02:13] <incubii> get in line
[02:13] <incubii> :P
[02:13] <gdh> haha
[02:13] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: if you run a windows user account not admin like most of the n00bs its reasonably safe from malware..
[02:13] <gdh> true....
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> still trashed my hd tho
[02:14] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Unfortunately, most Windows software hasn't a fucking clue about that.
[02:14] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: NOT ADMIN PRIVS?!?!???! WTF?!?!?!???!!?!?!
[02:14] <incubii> yeah thats true gdh
[02:14] <gdh> so you need to piss about with cacls.exe or other shit just to 'make it work'
[02:14] <andrewski> that's one of the big things i try to tell my computer-savvy windows friends.
[02:15] <incubii> they usually chuck a hissy fit cause they cant write to a regkey
[02:15] <gdh> incubii: Yes :(
[02:15] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt help that most windows apps are coded crapply and expect admin privs
[02:15] <gdh> and hey there's no cacls.exe for HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE....
[02:15] <gdh> lame lame lame
[02:15] <incubii> i work for a tradin company and all the software requires users to write to regkeys they shouldnt touch. its such a security hole 
[02:15] <gdh> what UNIX app would get away with needing to write to /usr ?
[02:15] <incubii> gdh, regedt32
[02:16] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: whats it worth? ill write you a wrapper that remaps them elsewhre :)
[02:16] <incubii> allows you to set privs on regkeys
[02:16] <gdh> incubii: you're shitting me? really?
[02:16] <gdh> Will have to investigate that 'next time' :)
[02:16] <incubii> regedit doesnt, but regedt32 does
[02:16] <gdh> cheers
[02:16] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: that just exasperate the problem allowing them to write to barred locations
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> and removes my possible paycheck :)
[02:17] <incubii> lol
[02:17] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: I agree, but if the source is closed, and it's already been purchased, and it 'has to work' .. what are you going to do? :/
[02:17] <incubii> we have 20 devs :P
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i know windows well - i can make those processes do anything.
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> me is very familiar with API hijacking
[02:17] <gdh> :)
[02:17] <andrewski> how do i switch from gdm to kdm?
[02:17] <gdh> andrewski: hm, deja vu :)
[02:17] <gdh> update-alternatives ?
[02:18] <andrewski> gdh: ooh, you can use that?  nice.
[02:18] <gdh> or be nasty and hack the symlinks youtself?
[02:19] <incubii> lol i removed both and added one
[02:19] <incubii> :D
[02:19] <gdh> incubii: you're using xdm? :)
[02:20] <incubii> nah, kdm
[02:20] <incubii> when i had the xpallete problems i had to put gdm on to make it go away
[02:21] <incubii> now that its all fixed i can use kdm again
[02:21] <incubii> :D
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> anyone recommend a good kde theme that isnt baghira and doesnt look like someone pressed the fill button in gimp then went "AH! MINIMALIST!" ?
[02:21] <incubii> do encrypted DVDs say they are encypted on the case or shoudl i just assume they all are?
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: if its commercial and its not porn its crypted
[02:22] <gdh> incubii: If they have a region code on the outside
[02:22] <gdh> it's crypted
[02:22] <incubii> ah ok
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: never even noticed dvds had region codes
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> i know they do on the discs but not on the cases
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> madness.
[02:22] <gdh> =)
[02:23] <incubii> yesh all mine show the region code on the case
[02:23] <incubii> though sometimes its hard to find
[02:23] <_ReDRuM_> ever found anything commercial and not porn that wasnt crypted?
[02:23] <gdh> little icon of a globe with a number in it
[02:23] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Yeh things liek cartoons and some sports DVDs are regionless
[02:24] <alex> is there a p2p programme i can get from kynaptic?
[02:24] <incubii> some documentries arent region encoded
[02:24] <_ReDRuM_> gdh - where you from again?
[02:24] <_ReDRuM_> alex: mldonkey
[02:25] <alex> merci: _ReDRuM
[02:25] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: I'm originally from Belfast in NI but now live in the Grim North in Chorley, Lancs.
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> np, if the interface is stupid and doesnt work just goto console and type mlnet& then it will
[02:25] <gdh> I see you're in Brighton-ish ...
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: ah! a paddy :D
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> yep
[02:25] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Let's not go there, eh? :)
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> born and bread
[02:26] <spikeb> hrm
[02:26] <incubii> lol
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> gdh - suits me fine its full of drunken guinesses monkeys :)
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[02:27] <gdh> It's amazing the number of ignorant cunts out there, mostly English it must be said =)
[02:27] <incubii> lol
[02:27] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: we just don't have the time to learn about potato farms :)
[02:27] <gdh> spikeb: heh, I already have hotline numbers on my mobile ;)
[02:27] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: True, pasta is a much better alternative
[02:28] <gdh> and much faster to cook
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> at least you admit it
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> who said the micks were thick :P
[02:28] <incubii> better be careful or ill make a dingo take your baby
[02:28] <spikeb> heh gdh
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> i hear southern irelands actually a pretty sweet place if you got the money
[02:29] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: By the same logic, living in Brighton you'll obviously be a rampant homosexual =)
[02:29] <incubii> touche, gdh
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: heh... yeh... touche... same old same old :)
[02:29] <gdh> :))
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> u know what they wanted to do here?
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> they put bloody pink flood lights on the pavilion
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> and made it pink
[02:30] <gdh> fantastic :)
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> poiffter pink
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> goddam wankers
[02:30] <gdh> I'd vote for that =)
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> you bastard.
[02:30] <gdh> hahaha :)
[02:30] <gdh> 'Vote early and vote often'
[02:30] <incubii> LOL
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> how dare they desecrate the local landmarks
[02:30] <incubii> pink floodlights, sounds like a gay ray
[02:31] <_ReDRuM_> they've ruined this city
[02:31] <incubii> well go complain to your local council member ?
[02:31] <_ReDRuM_> the rumors are true brighton really is overrun by the gayer than fay mafia
[02:32] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: heh. i bet they're noofters too.
[02:32] <gdh> incubii: Yes, find your nearest member and start to stimulate interest in yourself.
[02:32] <incubii> lol
[02:32] <incubii> they might listen then
[02:33] <_ReDRuM_> look what you made me do.
[02:33] <gdh> 'A woman walks in to a bar and asks for a double-entendre, so the bloke behing the bar gave her one.'
[02:33] <gdh> That's the level of mu humour :)
[02:33] <gdh> my
[02:33] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: my jokes would get me k-lined :)
[02:34] <gdh> To recap on the one from earlier - what's brown and half eaten?
[02:34] <gdh> the pope's easter egg.
[02:34] <gdh> whoops :)
[02:34] <gdh> I'll, uh, get me coat :)
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> and the level of refinement came toumbling down... and stopped off in gdbs local for a guiness
[02:35] <Brazmetal> Does someone here stream radio?
[02:35] <gdh> I live round the corner from a pub I've never been in
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> im barred from the pub round the corner :)
[02:35] <gdh> I find tiny local pubs are a bit intimidating, tbh
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[02:35] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of :)
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> i bet theres a hogshead or somethin in town
[02:36] <alex> i'm having problem with the ml donkey core, where is it?
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> the guy was going on all night like he was a kung-fu expert or something then goes hit me
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> ...
[02:36] <gdh> I guess I mostly can't stand the constant sport on TV pubs show
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> he asked me to
[02:36] <gdh> sport bores me to tears
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> literally
[02:36] <gdh> nice :)
[02:36] <gdh> so you did... 
[02:36] <gdh> and since /he/ was a regular...
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> guess his kung-fu was beer talk :)
[02:37] <coreymon77> can somebody help me here
[02:37] <incubii> lol he hasnt done kungfu for very long if he creates violence
[02:37] <gdh> coreymon77: we can try.
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: i genuinely expected him to do some mad shit and stop me did
[02:37] <coreymon77> k thanks
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> he had me hook line and sinker.
[02:37] <coreymon77> okay
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> did/dead/
[02:37] <coreymon77> so
[02:37] <coreymon77> heres my problem
[02:38] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: LOL so you smacked him one straigh tin the face and won friends :D
[02:38] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: yeh, then slapped him about for giggles
[02:38] <gdh> LOL
[02:38] <_andrewski> hmm... using konversation.  hmm...
[02:39] <coreymon77> i just upgraded from the kubuntu preview release to the newest final kubuntu through apt
[02:39] <_ReDRuM_> _andrewski: english cultutre, the ocassional bar fight is par the course :)
[02:39] <coreymon77> using the command apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:39] <coreymon77> so after its done
[02:39] <_andrewski> _ReDRuM_: huh?  you want to fight me because i'm using konversation?
[02:39] <gdh> _andrewski: Konv is nice - I'm very fond of it
[02:39] <coreymon77> i restart my computer and try to load kde
[02:40] <_ReDRuM_> _andrewski: yeh... i said that.
[02:40] <gdh> coreymon77: we're still listening....
[02:40] <coreymon77> it does its whole first run time wizard
[02:40] <coreymon77> and i go through it
[02:40] <_andrewski> _ReDRuM_: heh.  well, you're in kde.  what do you use?
[02:40] <coreymon77> but after that
[02:40] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Are you lookin' at my client? are ya? eh? EH?
[02:40] <_ReDRuM_> _andrewski: konversation
[02:40] <coreymon77> im not in kde right now
[02:40] <coreymon77> im in windows
[02:40] <coreymon77> kde wont work
[02:40] <alex> does anyone know where to find the kml donkey core?
[02:40] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: it's a bit shy
[02:40] <coreymon77> let me finish here
[02:40] <_ReDRuM_> CTCP]  Received CTCP-VERSION reply from gdh: 
[02:40] <gdh> :)
[02:41] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: we're looking
[02:41] <coreymon77> so once the wizard thing is done
[02:41] <coreymon77> a blue line appears on my screen that says
[02:41] <coreymon77> starting interprocess communications
[02:41] <coreymon77> and then it just stays there
[02:42] <_andrewski> any way for konversation to color users' nicks like xchat?
[02:42] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: dumb question - but have you rebooted?
[02:42] <coreymon77> yes
[02:42] <coreymon77> i tried that
[02:42] <incubii> coreymon77: did you upgrade use KDE or kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:42] <coreymon77> a few times
[02:42] <coreymon77> ?
[02:43] <coreymon77> i went into the konsole
[02:43] <coreymon77> and typed sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:43] <gdh> _andrewski: yes. configure konv -> appearence > colors -> color nicks
[02:43] <gdh>  ?
[02:43] <coreymon77> and then i let it do its thing
[02:44] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: handy.
[02:44] <coreymon77> why does it stay at the start communications thing
[02:44] <coreymon77> when it show that
[02:44] <coreymon77> my computers activity light isnt even flashing
[02:45] <incubii> i must admit _ReDRuM_ after seeing my virtual desktops up like you said yesterday its much easier
[02:45] <coreymon77> whats the problem here
[02:45] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: they're good stuff :)
[02:45] <incubii> settin*
[02:45] <incubii> it would be nice how ever if i could configure sysstray to obey virtual desktops though
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> systray? different icons in the bottom right for diff desktops?
[02:46] <coreymon77> y does it just stay there not moving
[02:46] <incubii> yes
[02:46] <incubii> amarok is in desktop 2
[02:46] <incubii> im on desktop1
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> you can make the windows from the desktops only appear on their own taskbar
[02:46] <incubii> i dont want its icon there
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> hmm.
[02:46] <incubii> yea i got that
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> file a feature request to kde
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> cant be hard
[02:47] <spikeb> the notification area isn't supposed to be desktop specific
[02:47] <_andrewski> that doesn't seem like the point of the systray though....
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> i agreee but it would be so simple to add they might od it anyway
[02:47] <incubii> y
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> all you need is a seperate table of tray icons for each desktop
[02:48] <spikeb> one feature we definately won't see in gnome for a logn time heh
[02:48] <_ReDRuM_> gnomes belong with hobbits on my bookshelf
[02:48] <_andrewski> spikeb: perhaps not, but for the (good) reason you mentioned above.
[02:48] <incubii> i do like how amarok draws the OSD on all desktops though :D
[02:49] <psn> incubii: why not just disable the systray icon for amarok?
[02:49] <incubii> cause i still use it
[02:49] <coreymon77> is anyone know what the problem is
[02:50] <gdh> coreymon77: No idea, sorry :/
[02:50] <incubii> only i only want it on the desktop the application is on
[02:50] <incubii> its just a niggly thing :P
[02:50] <coreymon77> damn it
[02:50] <coreymon77> :-(
[02:50] <psn> incubii: don't see a point to it in that case... but that's just me
[02:50] <_ReDRuM_> #gnome: 01:49]  <_ReDRuM_> there's a bug in my konquerer! it's been renamed nautilus! heeelp!
[02:50] <incubii> so KDE is just sitting there doing nothign while it loads up coreymon77  ?
[02:51] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: bloody troll :)
[02:51] <coreymon77> it just sits there
[02:51] <_ReDRuM_> trolls vs gnomes :)
[02:51] <gdh> haha
[02:51] <incubii> yeah my KDE use to do that too, but it would start up after 15 mins
[02:51] <incubii> the release fixed it for me though
[02:51] <coreymon77> on the kubuntu logon screen (after ive logged on of course) with a blue line that say starting interprocess comunications
[02:52] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: goto a console , kill x and kdm etc and try running startkde
[02:52] <_ReDRuM_> see if it gives you usefukl error messages
[02:52] <incubii> all i can suggest is downloading the release and doing a fresh install
[02:52] <incubii> thats how mine was fixed
[02:52] <coreymon77> so what exactly do i do
[02:52] <gdh> and learn to fear the dist-upgrade demon :)
[02:53] <incubii> if only PCs came with a decent pc speaker like this G4
[02:53] <coreymon77> type kilall [whatever] 
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> ctrl+alt+f1, ps -A f, *look for processes beginning with X or kdm*, kill -9 <process number>, when all dead run startkde on its own see if it gives you any clues
[02:53] <coreymon77> which things do i kill
[02:53] <incubii> i have no problems with dist-upgrade at work. only when they were going through all the testing, sometimes it would break KDE but then i knew that would happ[en
[02:53] <coreymon77> and is this before i log in or after
[02:54] <incubii> brb xchat time
[02:55] <coreymon77> i have to restart my computer to get into kubuntu so i need to know what to kill, how to kill it and when i go into the console (before/after i log in)
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> ps -A f will make it quite obvious
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> and if you get stuck
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> install irssi
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> then come on irc from console :)
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> [01:54]  * _ReDRuM_ tosses bright blue K at a group of nearby gnomes
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> their channel is too quiet :)
[02:57] <coreymon77> can u just give me instructions
[02:57] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: They've all gone back to sleep beside their pond.
[02:57] <Riddell> coreymon77: why do you need to restart?
[02:57] <incubii> ;)
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> [01:57]  <_ReDRuM_> plz make gnome more like kde :P your licensing and ethos rules but the integration drools... one day you gnomes can be a modern desktop too <3
[02:58] <incubii> ah this is much better
[02:58] <Riddell> _ReDRuM_: #kubuntu is a troll free zone
[02:58] <incubii> lol _ReDRuM_ 
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> just as well i was trolling in the gnome room then :P
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> only a little fun :)
[02:59] <incubii> :P
[02:59] <coreymon77> cause i have a dual boot computer
[02:59] <coreymon77> in order to do this
[02:59] <coreymon77> (to talk to u people)
[03:00] <coreymon77> i have to be in window
[03:00] <coreymon77> s
[03:00] <incubii> only dual boot?
[03:00] <coreymon77> which i am now
[03:00] <coreymon77> in ordder to get into kubuntu
[03:00] <coreymon77> yes
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> there is no need for windows :D goto a console and type apt-get install irssi
[03:00] <coreymon77> oinly dual boot
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> when its done type irssi
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> and then you can irc from console until you get it working
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> alt+number switches windows in irssi (i think)
[03:00] <coreymon77> whatever
[03:00] <coreymon77> i need windows for a few things
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> like what?
[03:01] <gdh> needs it for evil
[03:01] <coreymon77> certain programs that wine cant open
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> to dual boot into and slow down the flow of information... for your CCE encoder to pirate dvds? :P
[03:01] <coreymon77> and my internet doesn work until kde boots up
[03:01] <gdh> my guess is for Flash MX2004 :)
[03:01] <coreymon77> so i cant do that
[03:01] <loren> *whistles*
[03:02] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: he woulda said straight away if it was
[03:02] <coreymon77> thats one of them
[03:02] <gdh> hah :)
[03:02] <coreymon77> but there are others
[03:02] <gdh> I've tried many ways of running that shit in Wine and failed.
[03:02] <Riddell> coreymon77: when at the kubuntu login screen press control-alt-F1 to get to a console.  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop to kill the login  then startx to  start kde from the command line and see if it gives any error messages
[03:02] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: lost cause.
[03:02] <coreymon77> so can i have some instructions so i can try this out
[03:02] <smouche> I've got a 220 gig hd to partition; I think I'm gonna have a Suse-kubuntu-mandrake shootout on there... 
[03:02] <loren> gdh: wine has been imporved lately ;) it doesn't run everything but it's deffinatly getting better
[03:03] <coreymon77> ya no kidding
[03:03] <gdh> loren: I've noticed.. and wine-tools helps immensely
[03:03] <smouche> (i know kubuntu will win, but what the hell...)
[03:03] <loren> gdh: tell me about it phew god i love wine-tools XD
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> i think windows will win and he will remove the linuxes :)
[03:03] <coreymon77> what do wine-tools do
[03:03] <incubii> i cant use wine
[03:03] <incubii> im on PPC
[03:03] <incubii> :D
[03:03] <loren> coreymon77: configures wine for you
[03:03] <loren> ppc? nice
[03:03] <loren> i didn't think mac people would be able to let go of mac for linux
[03:03] <coreymon77> although thats a bit of a pain
[03:03] <gdh> coreymon77: http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/hoary/
[03:04] <coreymon77> since my windows drive is ntfs
[03:04] <gdh> coreymon77: sets up a sensible fake_windows dir
[03:04] <loren> lol
[03:04] <gdh> with MS DLL's IE6 MDAC DCOM, etc.
[03:04] <loren> hey im curious
[03:04] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: butchery :)
[03:04] <loren> i have my my NTFS computer hooked up to my linux computer
[03:04] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Yep, but works like a charm
[03:05] <loren> under ~/.wine/ there is a fake_windows and drive_c how do i copy DLLS and stuff to make wine work better?
[03:05] <incubii> Captive NTFS
[03:05] <gdh> 'Hello good butcher, I'll have half a pound of your finest warez, please'
[03:05] <_ReDRuM_> i would never subject my linux to native 9x junk :P
[03:05] <coreymon77> captive ntfs
[03:05] <coreymon77> is buggy
[03:05] <gdh> jeez so it does exist?
[03:05] <loren> anyone?
[03:05] <gdh> a wrapper around NTFS.SYS ?
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> captive ntfs causes some lufis driver to munch all my RAM
[03:06] <coreymon77> and my windows/linux computer is the same one
[03:06] <loren> true, at least linux reboots though when they do happen. true, at least linux reboots though when they do happen
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> funny cause when i used it 3 years ago on BSD it worked fine, now they added all that crap to it its buggy as hell
[03:06] <loren> i have my my NTFS computer hooked up to my linux computer. under ~/.wine/ there is a fake_windows and drive_c how do i copy DLLS and stuff to make wine work better?
[03:06] <incubii> ive had not problems with Captive NTFS on my knoppix remasters
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: admittedly, havent tried it on knoppix, id also wager knoppix isnt the most recent (buggy) incarntation...
[03:07] <smouche> wine is still so bleeding edge it should just be called blood.  
[03:07] <loren> XD
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> how can you call wine bleeding edge it only emulates a 9x API :)
[03:07] <coreymon77> knoppix is quite good actually
[03:07] <incubii> i use winex
[03:07] <coreymon77> whats that
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: nobody said it wasn't.
[03:07] <incubii> well i did
[03:07] <incubii> till i moved to PPC
[03:07] <incubii> :D
[03:07] <loren> don't you mean cedega?
[03:08] <loren> if i moved to PPC i'd try BeOS
[03:08] <smouche> I mean as in being in perpetual "development" stage only.  L-users like me need not apply.  
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> BeOS sucks
[03:08] <coreymon77> what is winex 
[03:08] <incubii> i dont acknowledge that name
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> it is another OS/2
[03:08] <loren> lol
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> should have been, but wasn't
[03:09] <loren> BeOS, is being developed as HaikuOS
[03:09] <loren> and it boots in 10 seconds
[03:09] <smouche> ReDRuM -- omg, you just dissed my favorite os of all time!! 
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> and OS/2 :)
[03:09] <loren> like 2 years ago
[03:09] <incubii> winex is wine with heaps of directx support
[03:09] <loren> so wonder how it boots now?
[03:09] <coreymon77> okay
[03:09] <incubii> ZetaOS
[03:09] <coreymon77> i try what you told me to do
[03:09] <loren> ZetaOS?
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: it's not the OS fault its stupid people not recognising quality, now its left abandoned by the lay-by to rot, hense its suckiness
[03:09] <loren> coreymon77: whatis ZetaOS?
[03:10] <incubii> is Beos 5 pro code + yellowtab code + haiku code
[03:10] <coreymon77> if it doesnt work (eg gives me an error message) i come back
[03:10] <_ReDRuM_> brb
[03:10] <coreymon77> if i dont come back
[03:10] <coreymon77> that means it works
[03:10] <incubii> loren, ZetaOS is BeOS but they got a license to the source code before palm acquired it
[03:10] <coreymon77> (or if i come back and say im in linux)
[03:10] <incubii> then they added their own code and code from HaikuOS
[03:10] <loren> yea? hmmh mwhaha nice
[03:10] <coreymon77> if i dont come back
[03:11] <loren> Palm acquied it? hmmh damn they beat me rofl
[03:11] <incubii> unfortunatly it sells for $100 US
[03:11] <coreymon77> thank you very much for your help everyone
[03:11] <incubii> which sucks cause i want to try it out
[03:11] <loren> owch crap
[03:11] <incubii> :D
[03:11] <loren> i want to try it too
[03:11] <loren> try**
[03:11] <smouche> but what do I know, I roll over easy for an os that boots in ten seconds, from a windows directory (not partition, directory!) if you want it too, has great hardware recognition, and is a breeze for newbies while being apparently easy for hackers to write plug-ins for...
[03:11] <loren> not use
[03:12] <loren> rofl XD
[03:12] <loren> nice
[03:12] <incubii> Dr Dos 7.03 boots in 10 seconds on my Cyrix 75 8mb edo
[03:12] <incubii> i use it to play divxs, and music
[03:12] <incubii> :D
[03:12] <smouche> PalmOne bought the orig. BeOs.  Guess they're just sitting on it, to keep it out of the hands of competitors.
[03:12] <loren> right now im watching SkyOS
[03:12] <loren> that's about it for me thou
[03:12] <incubii> mind you it can only play them in mono 640x480
[03:12] <smouche> I haven't tried the open source BeOs projects
[03:12] <_ReDRuM_> windows restarts from hibernation in about 10 seconds on one of my machines )
[03:12] <incubii> else it chugs
[03:12] <incubii> lol
[03:12] <loren> rofl
[03:13] <loren> Windows sucks
[03:13] <coreymon77> bye every one (for now?)
[03:13] <_ReDRuM_> yup
[03:13] <_ReDRuM_> but im not the only person using it
[03:13] <gdh> With sales of Palm handhelds falling through the floor, I think they have bigger issues on their plate =)
[03:13] <_ReDRuM_> so windows it has...
[03:13] <coreymon77> thanks for your help
[03:13] <loren> win = "crash happy virus magnent" ~ I'll always remember that quote
[03:13] <incubii> win2k3 is a nice OS
[03:13] <incubii> but nothing compared to kubuntu
[03:13] <incubii> :D
[03:13] <loren> yea? hmmh
[03:13] <_ReDRuM_> win2k3 is crap, ever tried exchange?
[03:13] <coreymon77> its still windows though
[03:13] <_ReDRuM_> its  a memory hungry whore
[03:13] <coreymon77> bye everyome
[03:13] <loren> rofl XD
[03:14] <loren> cya
[03:14] <_ReDRuM_> seriously it uses like 500mb just to do nothing with
[03:14] <incubii> we use openexchange
[03:14] <smouche> if they could put BeOs on their  palmtops, "Palm desktop" could become a major competitor
[03:14] <coreymon77> i may be back
[03:14] <incubii> :P
[03:14] <loren> XD
[03:14] <coreymon77> but if im not thanks for your help
[03:14] <loren> OpenExchange? is that a linux server platform?
[03:14] <gdh> coreymon77: OK no worries- bye :)
[03:14] <gdh> loren: SuSE sold that...
[03:14] <loren> oh rofl XD
[03:14] <gdh> loren: Hardly open, cost nearly as much as MS Exchange :)
[03:15] <loren> rofl
[03:15] <_ReDRuM_> win2k3 has a fast network stack, an integrated interface, support for some semi-popular proprietary m$ technologies and a wide range of device drivers
[03:15] <loren> XD im seeing a future scaryness Novell = Microsoft? lol
[03:15] <_ReDRuM_> leaving that aside, linux wins on practically everything else
[03:15] <_ReDRuM_> i think novell are all good
[03:15] <incubii> win2k3 rocks as a LiveCD
[03:15] <loren> Novel Linux 10
[03:15] <_ReDRuM_> and they are providing a viable alternative
[03:15] <gdh> Novell are doing Good Shit at the moment
[03:15] <loren> :P
[03:15] <loren> win2k3 is a liveCD?
[03:15] <gdh> Netware is nearly dead, but it's nice to see Novell are re-inventing themselves
[03:15] <incubii> Barts PE
[03:15] <incubii> ;)
[03:16] <_ReDRuM_> novell are providing a real viabile alternative to win2k3 for click-monkey college boys
[03:16] <loren> gdh: yeah? i havn't really tried them recently i gave up when 8.2 never installed well it installed but the only thing i saw on the screen was 1's and 0's
[03:16] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: its microsfts PE bart just popularised it :)
[03:16] <gdh> loren: I've never used SuSE....
[03:16] <incubii> Win PE is homosexual
[03:16] <loren> gdh: oh rofl XD
[03:16] <incubii> it cant do fuck all
[03:16] <loren> what the fuck is PE?
[03:16] <loren> Personal uhm Extravaganza?
[03:16] <_ReDRuM_> PE = pre-install windows
[03:16] <gdh> what's 'XD' ?
[03:17] <gdh> loren:  :)
[03:17] <loren> oh that crap
[03:17] <incubii> Preinstall Environment
[03:17] <_ReDRuM_> its a bit like a knoppix minus minus cd
[03:17] <loren> XD is like cross bread X_x and =D
[03:17] <_ReDRuM_> works nice for running things like acronis data recovery utils
[03:17] <gdh> half manga, half cute...
[03:17] <gdh> all shit =)
[03:17] <loren> haha
[03:17] <incubii> i use Barts PE to break passwords, recover hard disks etc
[03:17] <loren> how much is SuSE currently selling for?
[03:18] <gdh> loren: I think Novell dumped the commercial aspect of SuSE
[03:18] <gdh> loren: no longer 'free demo' ISO with full ISO of previous version
[03:18] <loren> 0_o you can't be serious
[03:18] <incubii> the price of one night with my mum
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> novell are pushing their own "modern groupware" package on linux
[03:18] <gdh> I could be very wrong... but that's what i've bene lead to believe
[03:18] <loren> well at least they're pushing linux
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> and tbh its probably good, novell have a reputation for this sort of thing from back in the day after all :)
[03:19] <loren> meh it's all good gdh
[03:19] <gdh> and suddenly things liek GroupWare have Evolution + Kontact plugins...
[03:19] <loren> what is GroupWare btw?
[03:19] <_ReDRuM_> i almost installed SuSE
[03:19] <gdh> alhtough their Client 32 for Win95 was a PITA
[03:19] <Riddell> gdh: GroupWise
[03:19] <gdh> Riddell: Sorry, oh great one :)
[03:19] <loren> what is GroupeWise?
[03:20] <_ReDRuM_> but uncommercial vers have no decent security support i read on novell site so i thought id try a few others and this and this stuck
[03:20] <gdh> Riddell: Do you sit 24/7 watching this crap? :)
[03:20] <Riddell> and last I heard the Kontact people were gloating that evolution didn't have a plugin despite the best efforts of the ximian side of novell
[03:20] <loren> yes
[03:20] <_ReDRuM_> riddell loves it
[03:20] <loren> yes i do
[03:20] <loren> hehe
[03:21] <gdh> I just wish KIOSlaves supported the server talking to the client so IMAP IDLE support was a possibility..
[03:21] <gdh> bit of an architecture faux pas that one :||
[03:21] <loren> hmmh
[03:21] <loren> ZetaOS looks weird
[03:21] <Riddell> gdh: all part of the service
[03:21] <loren> it has potential if they hire someone to upgrade the GUI
[03:21] <gdh> heh
[03:21] <loren> at least for users
[03:22] <incubii> heh
[03:22] <loren> what would be really cool
[03:22] <_ReDRuM_> one of my best pals is a GUI guru :)
[03:23] <loren> is a alt-tab like application thing, where you hold shift space and a menu comes up with tons of application icons grouped by what they do, that'd be a pimped out menu
[03:24] <ubuntu> I wonder.. is the live distro capable of actually mounting the osx partitions?
[03:24] <loren> dunno
[03:24] <incubii> no idea Artan 
[03:24] <loren> Kubuntu Live?
[03:24] <incubii> i blew away OS X for this
[03:24] <Artan> would prolly work, if just knew the fstype
[03:24] <incubii> :D
[03:24] <_ReDRuM_> wouldnt be hard to modify it
[03:24] <Artan> kubuntu live yeah
[03:24] <incubii> HPFS+
[03:25] <_ReDRuM_> HFS+?
[03:25] <gdh> heh, kernel modules are there for 'hfs' and 'hfsplus'
[03:25] <gdh> isn't hpfs an os/2 thing?
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> mount -t ufs -o ufstype=openstep /dev/darwin /mnt
[03:26] <gdh> OS/X uses Sun's UFS?
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> ufs is sun? :)
[03:26] <Artan> none of those work.. /:
[03:26] <gdh> I always thought so.
[03:26] <incubii> yes i typoed
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> Artan: whats the error from the one i gave you?
[03:26] <incubii> :)
[03:27] <Artan> _ReDRuM_: the usual wrongfs or superblock
[03:27] <_ReDRuM_> hmm.
[03:28] <Artan> fdisk claims HFS tho.. 
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> dunno :| sorry
[03:28] <Artan> Apple_HFS in the dsecr tho.. hmm
[03:29] <gdh> anything in dmesg ?
[03:29] <_ReDRuM_> Artan: same site i got that mount command from said it was HFS
[03:29] <gdh> like a 'version greater than supported' ?
[03:29] <loren> Apple_HFS? that apply filesystem?
[03:29] <Artan> oh well.. Ill debug it more tomorrow.. but feels a tad of an essential loss in a ppc live cd ..
[03:29] <loren> PPC Live Cd hmmh
[03:29] <loren> never really though about those existing
[03:30] <Artan> it doesnt know apple_hfs at all
[03:30] <Artan> loren: out with the new release.. 
[03:30] <loren> :P
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> build a different kernel and put it back on the disk?
[03:31] <Artan> heh
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> ive heard ubuntu kernels are quite strange tho
[03:31] <loren> i dislike em
[03:31] <incubii> yeah they actually work
[03:31] <loren> they have problems with jackd
[03:31] <Artan> oh well.. gnight people.. thanks for the effor.. (:
[03:31] <loren> not for me
[03:32] <loren> sure
[03:32] <loren> even though i did nothing
[03:32] <loren> :P
[03:32] <loren> >:P
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> hows ubuntu behave if you compile a vanlilla 2.6.11 yourself on it?
[03:33] <loren> no idea
[03:33] <loren> what is Vanilla?
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> unpatched
[03:33] <gdh> not patched :)
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> stock - standard
[03:34] <loren> ah
[03:34] <gdh> Debian used to /heavily/ patch the kernel until Herbert Xu stormed off over some 'disagreement' regarding translations :)
[03:34] <_ReDRuM_> fedora for instance behaves fine if you rip out its kernel and slot a stock one in
[03:34] <loren> really?
[03:34] <loren> hmmh
[03:34] <gdh> now they have a kernel team who keep a much more lean kernel
[03:34] <loren> never knew that one XD
[03:35] <loren> good
[03:35] <loren> good...
[03:35] <_ReDRuM_> they should stop messin with the kernel and make more gui admin tools
[03:35] <gdh> :)
[03:35] <loren> (my evil plans are almost complete...)
[03:35] <incubii> how do i repackage an rpm into a deb
[03:35] <gdh> loren: Ahh you have the white cat to stroke..
[03:35] <gdh> incubii: 'alien'
[03:35] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: alien  does it automatically
[03:35] <gdh> just be aware of the dependencies issues bla bla bla
[03:35] <loren> gdh: indeed
[03:35] <incubii> is it on kubuntu or do i have to get it
[03:36] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get install alien
[03:36] <loren> hows Kubuntu Final compared to Kubuntu RC1
[03:36] <gdh> alien is a dirty hack
[03:36] <incubii> well i cant find the source to libdvdcss2 on vlc website
[03:36] <_ReDRuM_> linux package managers are a dirty hack :)
[03:36] <incubii> and theres a rpm for ppc
[03:36] <loren> hows Kubuntu Final compared to Kubuntu RC1
[03:36] <Kortor> hi
[03:37] <gdh> loren: Ur, exactly the same?
[03:37] <gdh> loren: probably a few bugs fixed underneath- none that i'venoticed
[03:37] <loren> gdh: really? hmmh, i thought Final would be better
[03:37] <loren> ah
[03:37] <incubii> much better loren
[03:37] <gdh> certainly no major changes
[03:37] <incubii> fixes all my PPC problems
[03:37] <loren> incubii: what's fixed that you've personally noticed
[03:37] <loren> (im on RC1)
[03:37] <_ReDRuM_> nothing changed on my i386
[03:37] <gdh> well, incubii is a Mac weenie who'll we excuse :)
[03:37] <incubii> i use X86 too :P
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> updating the system from RC1 to final caused apt to download... nothing.
[03:38] <incubii> xpallete, keyboard, sound were all issues
[03:38] <gdh> yes yes, dear :)
[03:38] <loren> PPC isn't bad it's just not comon, well actually it is bad because it's more propriatary
[03:38] <Riddell> loren: few small changes and pmount is in
[03:38] <incubii> i was given this Dual 1.42ghz G4, so i thought i would put it to use :P
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> mind u i was a late RC adopter perhaps it was different
[03:38] <loren> ah god, i've been hating to mount my NTFS each time
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> loren: put it in fstab
[03:38] <loren> ftab sudo mount?
[03:39] <loren> oh
[03:39] <loren> the config file
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> sudo vi /etc/fstab
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> look at the other entries and copy them :)
[03:39] <_ReDRuM_> replace vi with your editor of choice
[03:39] <loren> ah XD
[03:39] <loren> k
[03:39] <loren> owner@ubuntu:~$ sudo kate /etc/fstab
[03:39] <loren> Password:
[03:39] <loren> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-owner" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[03:39] <loren> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[03:39] <loren> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[03:39] <loren> owner@ubuntu:~$
[03:40] <_ReDRuM_> chown -R root: /var/tmp/kdecache-owner
[03:40] <loren> what does that command do?
[03:40] <loren> btw
[03:40] <IceGuest_5> hi
[03:40] <_ReDRuM_> changes kdecache-owner to be owned by uid 0 :)
[03:40] <loren> ah XD
[03:40] <IceGuest_5> its me again
[03:41] <incubii> for anyone after a deb package for libdvdcss2 on PowerPC, http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-0.0_powerpc.deb
[03:41] <_ReDRuM_> but it corrects what its complaining about
[03:41] <smouche> loren - lol - that exact thing just happened to me!  using nano instead to check fstab...
[03:41] <smouche> kate does that a lot
[03:41] <loren> yea? hmmh
[03:41] <coreymon77> i had some problem
[03:41] <coreymon77> s
[03:42] <_ReDRuM_> kedit might work for you people with kate troubles
[03:42] <incubii> i always use vi
[03:42] <coreymon77> bbbbbbbiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggg long error message when i typed in startkde
[03:42] <_ReDRuM_> nedit is a gnome editor worth noting if kde misbehavies
[03:42] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: /whois _ReDRuM_
[03:42] <obe1> does kubuntu/ubuntu support DVD playing, out-of-the-box? like in kaffeine?
[03:42] <loren> no
[03:42] <smouche> yeah, kedit is pretty nice.  But why is kate so temperamental?
[03:42] <loren> apt-get install Xine
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: dunno... she behaves ok for me.... but a lot of KDE is tempremental
[03:43] <Riddell> obe1: only unencrypted DVDs
[03:43] <obe1> oh ok, but I wasn't sure if there was any political issues with DVD css and kubuntu...
[03:43] <smouche> oops, I don't even have kedit, just kwrite...
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> also i dotn use her much since shes not vi so maybe you just use enough to expose the bugs
[03:43] <coreymon77> redrum: can i have some istructions for connecting to this channel in konsole
[03:43] <incubii> oh my DVD play back works after 5 errors pop up
[03:43] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: apt-get install irssi
[03:44] <incubii> but it stutters badly
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_> irssi
[03:44] <smouche> well, anyone, for system files I use nano...
[03:44] <coreymon77> i got that
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_>  /server irc.freenode.net
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_> ... you get the idea
[03:44] <coreymon77> not really
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_> once connected to freenode
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_> type /join #kubuntu
[03:44] <_ReDRuM_> and then you will be here
[03:45] <_ReDRuM_> so 1) type irssi (preferably as non-root) - 2) type /server irc.freenode.net - 3) type /join #ubuntu
[03:45] <_ReDRuM_> if you get any errors about nicknames type /nick coreymon77
[03:45] <coreymon77> do i type irc /server irc.freenode.net
[03:45] <coreymon77> and it will automatically connect me to this channel?
[03:45] <_ReDRuM_> btw these are standard irc commands and will work on all irc clients
[03:46] <_ReDRuM_> no you need to type /join #kubuntu after
[03:46] <_ReDRuM_> on seperate lines
[03:46] <_ReDRuM_>  /server irc.freenode.net
[03:46] <_ReDRuM_>  /nick coreymon77
[03:46] <coreymon77> wait
[03:46] <_ReDRuM_>  /join #kubuntu
[03:46] <loren> i remember when i first learned IRC, i wondered why they didn't make it simplet
[03:46] <loren> and i realized it's easier to type than click lol
[03:46] <loren> least for me :P
[03:47] <_ReDRuM_> loren: as most things become with time... but that takes intimate knowledge of the system
[03:47] <coreymon77> i typed irssi in the konsole and it said bash irssi...
[03:47] <incubii> keyboard is quicker then the mouse if you know all the shortcuts
[03:47] <_ReDRuM_> it said what?
[03:47] <loren> yeah? hmmh
[03:47] <smouche> yeah, loren, that's true for stuff like apt-get vs synaptic too; trouble is, knowing what to type!
[03:47] <loren> yea
[03:47] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: apt-cache search "whatever ud type into kpackage"
[03:48] <smouche> yep yep _ReDRuM, I'm learning, bit by bit...
[03:49] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: you need to replicate error messages explicitly "bash irssi" doesnt help much :/
[03:49] <smouche> but I love kpackage!  That's a gui done right!  much better than synaptic, and - please, kubuntu devs -- drop kynaptic from default install -- it's pitiful
[03:49] <_ReDRuM_> it had other characters in there
[03:49] <coreymon77> doesnt matter
[03:49] <coreymon77> it will work
[03:49] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[03:50] <coreymon77> i think
[03:50] <incubii> kaffeine plays DVDs better then VLC
[03:50] <incubii> :D
[03:50] <incubii> no stutter
[03:50] <coreymon77> see you soon
[03:50] <_ReDRuM_> just write down what i said it should work, before doing all that type: apt-get install irssi
[03:50] <_ReDRuM_> and you should be all set.
[03:50] <coreymon77> i already installed the thing
[03:50] <coreymon77> ill see u soon
[03:50] <_ReDRuM_> ok :)
[03:51] <coreymon77> hopefully :-p
[03:51] <loren> yea
[03:51] <smouche> I've never been able to get vlc working right for me in linux, ironically.  The windows vlc client is awesome!
[03:51] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: .... mine works....
[03:51] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: idle curiosity... indulge me? open a console
[03:52] <incubii> oh now it lags
[03:52] <incubii> poo poo
[03:52] <_ReDRuM_> # md5sum `which vlc`
[03:52] <_ReDRuM_> type that (without the #)
[03:52] <smouche> ReDRuM, I don't have it installed now.  I last tried it a few ubuntu versions ago...
[03:52] <loren> there's a thousand people in #gentoo
[03:52] <_ReDRuM_> i was already to build vlc for ubuntu since ppl said it didnt work
[03:52] <_ReDRuM_> (and i love it)
[03:53] <_ReDRuM_> but it works fine for me
[03:53] <incubii> 2bb852dd8ef548d57a9d6d554fd2e9fc  /usr/bin/vlc
[03:53] <_ReDRuM_> your vlc is not the same one as mine
[03:53] <_ReDRuM_> update it
[03:53] <smouche> well, I'll try it again, _ReDRuM_ -- haven't used it on my current setup yet.
[03:54] <gdh> loren: That sounds like an almost irresistable invitation for trolling
[03:54] <incubii> lol it is
[03:54] <incubii> i use the PPC one
[03:54] <incubii> :P
[03:54] <gdh> a thousand lamers to scam
[03:54] <_ReDRuM_> oh :)
[03:54] <loren> trollin?
[03:54] <loren> XD
[03:54] <loren> ah rofl
[03:55] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: want to step forward as our representative?
[03:55] <_ReDRuM_> was always helping people in #gentoo
[03:55] <_ReDRuM_> but nobody could help my problems
[03:55] <_ReDRuM_> they are clueless
[03:55] <gdh> of course, all fucking 1337 wannabes
[03:55] <loren> really? ROFL
[03:55] <loren> XD
[03:55] <loren> i honestly know jack about linux myself
[03:56] <loren> so erm, im no one to say damn n00bs rofl
[03:56] <gdh> I gn0w UNIX l0l I can w4tch s0urc3 c0mp1l3 l0l0l0l0l
[03:56] <loren> but i at least know my stuff to some degree
[03:56] <loren> XD
[03:56] <incubii> they couldnt help me either
[03:56] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: some of them arent to be fair there is a hardcore of amd 64 geeks in there too
[03:56] <_ReDRuM_> they dont know jack about anything cept amd 64 tho.
[03:56] <loren> XD
[03:57] <loren> [18:57]  [Kick]  You have been kicked from channel ##slackware by . (banned: loren - debian spammer/flooder - phrag)
[03:57] <gdh> LD
[03:57] <loren> that sucks, i didn't do shit
[03:57] <gdh> :D
[03:57] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[03:57] <incubii> rofl
[03:57] <gdh> I'd be proud of that
[03:57] <loren> lol
[03:57] <_ReDRuM_> #slackwares alrite stop trolling one of my fave distros :P
[03:57] <gdh> banned from #slackware l0l
[03:57] <gdh> 0h gn0w!
[03:57] <loren> lol
[03:58] <loren> this is the first time i've joined that channel
[03:58] <loren> 0_o
[03:58] <incubii> yay vlc doesnt lag now
[03:58] <loren> and i dont even like debian
[03:58] <loren> aside from Ubuntu
[03:58] <smouche> and I don't like kde, aside from kubuntu
[03:58] <_ReDRuM_> loren: some of the opers are quite heavy handed and i think have a hefty mirror collection...
[03:58] <incubii> whats the keyboard shortcut to switch virtual desktops
[03:58] <_ReDRuM_> we often had arguments :)
[03:59] <loren> no wonder, there are only 100 people in the channel ROFL
[03:59] <loren> Slackware got distro of the year
[03:59] <_ReDRuM_> loren: not many people would use slack this day and age you still have to put modprobes in your inti scripts
[03:59] <gdh> loren: Yes, 1996.
[03:59] <loren> the other hundreds got banned
[03:59] <smouche> hmm, incubii, I use Ctrl-tab for that, but maybe you mean something else ...
[03:59] <loren> XD rofl
[03:59] <loren> why did it get voted Distro of the year then
[03:59] <loren> im curious, coz i couldn't even install the damn thing
[04:00] <loren> it gave me setup errors
[04:00] <incubii> cool
[04:00] <_ReDRuM_> cause if you know your way around linux internals its flexible, easy to control and lightweight
[04:00] <smouche> Ctrl Alt left or right arrow also
[04:00] <loren> hmmh interesting
[04:00] <incubii> running DVD fullscreen on one desktop and chattin on another
[04:00] <incubii> thats so cool
[04:00] <gdh> slack is a nice base dist to learn a unix environment in
[04:00] <gdh> learn about compiling errors / linking / library issues
[04:00] <loren> i'll pass atm ;)
[04:01] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[04:01] <gdh> then once you learn that core, move to a real dist
[04:01] <loren> im still a user/game developer
[04:01] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: most of those errors are fixed in 4 commands :)
[04:01] <loren> and i cant get involved in OS development coz i'll get distracted
[04:01] <coreymon77> redrum: im in konsole
[04:01] <loren> lol
[04:01] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: hey I'm trying to be kind here :)
[04:01] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: ello
[04:01] <loren> redrum and gdh you know alot
[04:01] <_ReDRuM_> loren: its the booze.
[04:01] <gdh> I don't, but I bluff well.
[04:01] <loren> XD
[04:01] <gdh> oops ;)
[04:02] <coreymon77> redrum: so? now what?
[04:02] <loren> gdh: gdk_knowlege > loren_knowlege :P
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: flick to another console (alt+f2)
[04:02] <incubii> my OSD for volume change doesnt appear now
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> alt+f1 will get you back
[04:02] <incubii> :|
[04:02] <smouche> I just hooked my laptop up to my monsoon speakers, and stream tuner is freakin' awesome!
[04:02] <incubii> but still works
[04:02] <gdh> loren: It probably balances out. I can't code for shit.
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> in that console su - <user account name> (if your logged in as root not a user)
[04:02] <gdh> loren: I write some bad Perl and bad shell... that's about it.
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> otherwise just login as a user
[04:02] <_ReDRuM_> then run: startkde
[04:03] <_ReDRuM_> see what it says
[04:03] <loren> gdh: really? hmmh weird, i can code basic C++ PHP and MYSQL but know shit about linux aside from which of that many distros i like and dislike
[04:03] <_ReDRuM_> btw the - in the su is important if your not logged in as a user
[04:03] <loren> gdh: at least you're able to write pearl and shell ;) lol
[04:03] <incubii> im a perl nut
[04:03] <coreymon77> redrum: dont you mean sudo -s?
[04:03] <gdh> loren: I'm a systems / network person - programming bores the tits off me
[04:03] <incubii> but i dont do squat in linux
[04:03] <incubii> its all windows
[04:03] <incubii> :D
[04:03] <gdh> I will code when I need to.
[04:04] <loren> gdh: rofl, nice, :P that's why
[04:04] <incubii> lol im sys/net admin too gdh :d
[04:04] <coreymon77> redrum: dont you mean sudo -s?
[04:04] <gdh> cool =)
[04:04] <incubii> i code my own tools though cause the devs cant understand what i want
[04:04] <loren> im a uhm, sponge?
[04:04] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: no i meant what i typed :)
[04:04] <loren> rofl
[04:04] <loren> loren: im a learning computer encyclopedia
[04:05] <loren> 0_o i wrote my name )_o weird
[04:05] <loren> didn't even notice
[04:05] <gdh> incubii: heh, one of our junior codies managed to kill our main database the other day.. I got a panicked phone call "the website's stopped working!!!" 
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> (for once)
[04:05] <coreymon77> redrum: okay i typed in su coreymon and my root password
[04:05] <gdh> incubii: turns out they ran this....
[04:05] <coreymon77> redrum: now what
[04:05] <gdh> incubii: http://gdh.ca/query.txt
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: it's su - coreymoon
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> the '-' is important
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> better yet - just logout
[04:05] <coreymon77> okay
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> and login on that console
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> as coreymon
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> they have the same effect
[04:06] <loren> damnit konquer load the damn page faster
[04:06] <loren> taking forever
[04:06] <incubii> lol
[04:06] <incubii> ouch
[04:06] <gdh> incubii: Yes, 23 million rows queried... FFS !!
[04:06] <loren> OMG
[04:06] <loren> still loading
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> when your in as coreymon - type: startkde
[04:06] <loren> oh is that it? rofl
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> and see what errors it gives
[04:06] <gdh> We have a seriously diseased db structure.
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> btw
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> if you have X and kdm/kdm type processes running - kill them first
[04:07] <incubii> brb
[04:07] <coreymon77> redum: okay i typed in su - coreymon
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> ps -Aww | grep X
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> kill it all
[04:07] <loren> ima go look for dinner
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> ps -Aww | grep kdm
[04:07] <loren> brb
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> kil lthem all too
[04:07] <hussam> hi, I need help setting network connection in kubuntu
[04:07] <_ReDRuM_> kill -9 <process number>
[04:07] <coreymon77> hussam
[04:07] <coreymon77> hussam: what kind of network connection
[04:08] <loren|lookin4din> god fucking damnit
[04:08] <coreymon77> hussam:wireless?
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> do both grep commands again to check no X/kdm stuff is running
[04:08] <loren|lookin4din> oh finally it let me change my name
[04:08] <hussam> lan
[04:08] <loren|lookin4din> brb
[04:08] <coreymon77> hussam: not wireless?
[04:08] <hussam> I manually entered IP, gatway and netmask
[04:08] <hussam> no lan
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> hussam: for your ISP? dhcpd should sort that out for you...
[04:08] <hussam> but I can't seem to be able to add the dns ip
[04:09] <coreymon77> hussam: what typed of lan
[04:09] <coreymon77> :hpna wireless?
[04:09] <hussam> cable
[04:09] <coreymon77> any routers?
[04:09] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: ill brb when you done those command let me know
[04:09] <hussam> but I have to enter the settings myself
[04:09] <coreymon77> hussam: do you use a router?
[04:10] <hussam> nom I don't use router. i already entered ip, gateway and netmask, how do I enter dns?
[04:10] <coreymon77> well if you were using a router i would know
[04:10] <_ReDRuM_> back
[04:10] <_ReDRuM_> hussam: nano -w /etc/resolv.conf
[04:10] <coreymon77> but since you arent
[04:10] <coreymon77> im not sure
[04:11] <_ReDRuM_> in ther add lines consiting of: nameserver <ip>
[04:11] <_ReDRuM_> these are old school linux ways and probably not the debian/kubuntu ways but they will work for you
[04:11] <coreymon77> hussam: does anything happen when you type 192.168.1.1 into the adress bar of your web browser
[04:12] <_ReDRuM_> hussam: just add the lines to resolv.conf like i sad.
[04:12] <coreymon77> redrum
[04:12] <coreymon77> tell me those instructions again
[04:12] <hussam> _ReDRuM_, ok i'll be right back
[04:13] <coreymon77> redrum: on at a time though this time (wait for me to say okay before you tell me the next one)
[04:13] <_ReDRuM_> ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[04:13] <_ReDRuM_> type that
[04:13] <_ReDRuM_> you should get a list of processes to do with X servers
[04:13] <coreymon77> is it okay that i did the su - coreymon thing
[04:13] <_ReDRuM_> on the right will be their PID number (process identification number)
[04:13] <coreymon77> wait
[04:13] <_ReDRuM_> yeh the su - blah thing is all good.
[04:14] <coreymon77> whatever happened to waiting for me
[04:14] <_ReDRuM_> sorry :)
[04:14] <_ReDRuM_> im drinking beer too :)
[04:14] <_ReDRuM_> let me know when your ready ill chill.
[04:14] <gdh> :D
[04:15] <_ReDRuM_> rofl
[04:15] <Brazmetal> Is there another soulseek client? I can't install nicotine...
[04:15] <_ReDRuM_> Brazmetal: think mldonkey does soulseek
[04:16] <_ReDRuM_> its web-controllable too
[04:16] <Brazmetal> _ReDRuM_: mldonkey is a emule clone?
[04:16] <_ReDRuM_> Brazmetal: it does many protocols now.
[04:16] <Brazmetal> hum..
[04:16] <_ReDRuM_> emule is more like an mldonkey clone
[04:16] <_ReDRuM_> mldonkey is ancient
[04:16] <Brazmetal> hum
[04:17] <Brazmetal> is the project acitive?
[04:17] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[04:17] <coreymon77> redrum: problems
[04:17] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: whats up?
[04:17] <gdh> oh god I could live on cereal =)
[04:17] <gdh> 3am munchies =)
[04:18] <coreymon77> redrum: it says ERROR: garbage option and then gives me a whole list of options and crap
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: mmm
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: you got a web browser handy or no?
[04:18] <Brazmetal> _ReDRuM_: so why does people use amule or xmule?
[04:18] <coreymon77> redrum: im in konsole
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> Brazmetal: mldonkey is coomand line
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> needs UI or web interface
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: console :)
[04:18] <coreymon77> redrum: yes i do have a web browser
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> konsoe is KDE stuff
[04:18] <coreymon77> redrum: but how do i get to it?
[04:19] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: so your stuck in a "dos looking text thingie" yeh?
[04:19] <gdh> ( _ReDRuM_ goes back to first principles )
[04:19] <coreymon77> redrum yup
[04:19] <_ReDRuM_> alrite
[04:20] <coreymon77> dos looking text thingy with a shitload of options
[04:20] <coreymon77> wtf do i do?
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> type /join #flood and after that when your in there try holding in alt and pressing F1, F2 etc to switch windows, if that doesnt work type /window swap <enter key> to get back here
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> from irssi
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: is it alt+function key to switch windows in irssi
[04:20] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[04:20] <coreymon77> WHAT?
[04:21] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: I don't use irssi
[04:21] <andrewski> so is there a recommended flac encoder in kde?
[04:21] <coreymon77> redrum: english please :P
[04:21] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: brb ill fire up the console client so i can give you moe consice info
[04:21] <gdh> my only venture into console IRC has been the venerable BitchX :)
[04:21] <gdh> shit app, great name.
[04:21] <coreymon77> gdh: well this thing that im using works quite well
[04:23] <coreymon77> gdh: sure its a butt-uglu piece of shit looking dos text thingie
[04:23] <coreymon77> but it works
[04:23] <coreymon77> lol
[04:23] <gdh> =))
[04:23] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[04:23] <gdh> the best thing about any IRC client is the ability to 'screen' it
[04:23] <andrewski> it would use the same font i have set up in Xchat/Konversation, as far as my settings are concerned. :P
[04:24] <_ReDRuM_> get a pen
[04:24] <_ReDRuM_> dont do any of this until its straight
[04:24] <andrewski> gdh: i've longed for that a bit.
[04:24] <coreymon77> way ahead of u
[04:24] <_ReDRuM_> 1) /join #flood
[04:24] <gdh> andrewski: Otherwise, use 'muh' or any one of many other 'bnc' proxies
[04:24] <coreymon77> okay
[04:25] <coreymon77> go on
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> 2) press alt+f3, login and type ps -Aww -o cmd.uid  | grep X
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> 3) make a note of the numbers in there
[04:25] <coreymon77> how many spaces between uid and :
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> exactly as i typed
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> cmd,uid
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> not a . :)
[04:25] <coreymon77> how many is that
[04:25] <coreymon77> no
[04:25] <_ReDRuM_> all one space
[04:25] <gdh> woo only 50 mins til my RAID5 syncs itself
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> it's irrelevent
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> you can use how many you like
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> but it only needs one
[04:26] <coreymon77> in between cdm.uid and : grep x
[04:26] <coreymon77> how many spaces
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> it's cmd,uid (with a comma)
[04:26] <_ReDRuM_> and it's a | not a :
[04:26] <misagh> hi all, just installed my first linux distro (kubuntu) i think its great. don't know why i didnt think of using linux before! just one question for you! i was never asked to create a root account at setup, and i need root access, is there any way i can create a password for root?
[04:26] <andrewski> misagh: you can use sudo.
[04:27] <_ReDRuM_> i believe the | on an american keyboard occurs with pressing shift + <two keys to the right of the L key>
[04:27] <_ReDRuM_> but im not sure
[04:27] <_ReDRuM_> someone help me out
[04:27] <Riddell> congratulations misagh 
[04:27] <misagh> can i just use my user password for sudo?
[04:27] <andrewski> misagh: you'll be asked for your (regular user) password and ubuntu will 'give' you temporary root privileges.
[04:27] <_ReDRuM_> wheres the pipe key on a US keyboard
[04:27] <andrewski> misagh: yes.
[04:27] <misagh> oh, thats great
[04:27] <coreymon77> okay type that second instruction agaim
[04:27] <andrewski> misagh: and welcome to GNU/Linux!
[04:27] <misagh> just updating some packages.
[04:27] <andrewski> misagh: always a good time.  explore. :)
[04:27] <Riddell> welcome to KGX :)
[04:28] <misagh> thank you, very fond of it. have signed up to the forums too, so no doubt will be bugging people with questions!
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> 2) press alt+f3, login as root and type this: ps -Aww -o cmd,uid | grep X
[04:28] <gdh> (the acronym that never really took off :)
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> that | is NOT a colon
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> it's a pipe character
[04:28] <coreymon77> andrewski: we have on more person whos seen the ligy ;)
[04:28] <andrewski> misagh: bugging == learning :D
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know how to do it on a US keyboard
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> think it's shift and whatever key is two keys to the right of the L key
[04:28] <coreymon77> light*
[04:28] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: shift backslash
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> there you go
[04:28] <andrewski> on mine, anyway.
[04:28] <gdh> yeh, bloody 'ell we should have yanks on here .. it'll be 10pm at the latest for them
[04:29] <_ReDRuM_> it's shift backslash :)
[04:29] <misagh> andrewski : lol, well, i broke my leg last week at work, so got lots of spare time to learn it
[04:29] <andrewski> misagh: indeed. :)
[04:29] <andrewski> misagh: getting paid?
[04:29] <misagh> yup, its great! lol.
[04:29] <coreymon77> type the last part again
[04:29] <andrewski> misagh: a good gig, indeed.
[04:29] <_ReDRuM_> 2) press alt+f3, login as root and type this: ps -Aww -o cmd,uid <shift+backslash> grep X
[04:30] <coreymon77> cmd,uif A?
[04:30] <_ReDRuM_> alt+f1 will get you back here afterwards, take a note of the information it gives (it will be a list of X windows processes)
[04:31] <coreymon77> do you mean cmd,uif A
[04:31] <coreymon77> or not
[04:31] <misagh> i have to admit, am very impressed by kubuntu so far. i was told a debian based distro might not be the best thing for a newbie to use, but i havent found it too hard. still got no idea what all these terminal commands mean
[04:31] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: worth daring into gpm for console mouse copy-paste?
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: good call
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: put 
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> gpm
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> into a console window
[04:31] <coreymon77> wait
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> then you can use the mouse to copy and paste
[04:31] <coreymon77> o
[04:31] <coreymon77> okay
[04:31] <gdh> it's unlikely to be installed by default
[04:31] <coreymon77> gpm
[04:31] <misagh> and just kinda getting my head round the file system, but i'm very impressed at the fact that there are so many pieces of great softtware, and they are all free
[04:31] <_ReDRuM_> if it errors type: apt-get install gpm
[04:32] <_ReDRuM_> and then do it again
[04:32] <gdh> and cross your fingers that your mouse is what gpm's default config expects :)
[04:32] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[04:32] <gdh> mind, if X is already running, it won't be able to open the mouse device anyway :|
[04:32] <gdh> and lets face it
[04:32] <gdh> stopping X is the whole point of this little exercise? :)
[04:32] <incubii> hmm kubuntu ppc doesnt like cd/dvd media very much
[04:33] <gdh> ooh lovely catch 22
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> corey: think you can copy something down exactly if i type it in here? :)
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> cause i can prepare commands that will automate this
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> but they must be typed exactly
[04:33] <coreymon77> i dont know
[04:33] <_ReDRuM_> dont bother then we'll keep trying this way
[04:33] <coreymon77> theres no way on using page up
[04:34] <_ReDRuM_> what have you got so far
[04:34] <_ReDRuM_> ctrl+page up
[04:34] <_ReDRuM_> hold in shift too if that doesnt work
[04:34] <gdh> aye as soon as you change alt+F3 etc. you lose any history with shift-pageup
[04:35] <gdh> a really really annoying non-feature which has annoyed me for years :)
[04:35] <gdh> never known who to complain to about it
[04:35] <_ReDRuM_> ctrl+a then esc :)
[04:35] <incubii> complain to the people that make the shell
[04:35] <gdh> ah, I keep screen for, eh, usenet downloads :)
[04:35] <_ReDRuM_> screen is the daddy
[04:36] <gdh> nzbget++
[04:36] <andrewski> anyone else getting freezes in X with the hoary nvidia?
[04:36] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: the hatchet trick is only for wannabe posers :) 
[04:36] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: what is the hatchet trick?
[04:36] <incubii> always amusing though
[04:37] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: you don't know the hatchet trick? :)
[04:37] <gdh> Oh the shame!
[04:37] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: no
[04:37] <coreymon77> just give me the second instruction and ill copy it (cntrl+c i take it)
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> didn't we go over the hatchet trick last night?
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:38] <coreymon77> ubii> complain to the people that make the shell
 ah, I keep screen for, eh, usenet downloads :)
 screen is the daddy
 nzbget++
 anyone else getting freezes in X with the hoary nvidia?
 incubii: the hatchet trick is only for wannabe posers :)
[04:38] <coreymon77> *** ubuntu (~ubuntu@ti122110a080-5425.bb.online.no) has joined channel
[04:38] <coreymon77> +#kubuntu
 _ReDRuM_: what is the hatchet trick?
[04:38] <_ReDRuM_> kotor: `echo -e "\x65\x78\x70\x6f\x72\x74\x20\x50\x53\x31\x3d\x22\x6e\x30\x30\x62\x3e\x20\x22\x0a"`
[04:38] <gdh> well, something worked :)
[04:38] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: nothing interesting :)
[04:38] <coreymon77> redrum: second instruction
[04:38] <andrewski> i thought someone answered my question :P
[04:38] <_ReDRuM_> hey you got paste working :)
[04:38] <coreymon77> k is only for wannabe posers :)
[04:39] <incubii> sh: line 0: export: `"': not a valid identifier
[04:39] <_ReDRuM_> ok do you know how you just did that?
[04:39] <incubii> awww
[04:39] <Kortor> _ReDRuM_: What exactly does it do?
[04:39] <incubii> sh: line 0: export: `"': not a valid identifier
[04:39] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: yeh lameness but it still should have done what its supposed to :)
[04:39] <incubii> poo poo
[04:39] <incubii> yeah i know worked yesterday
[04:39] <incubii> :D
[04:39] <coreymon77> redrum: hwo di i cut/paste
[04:39] <Kortor> do I do it with the ` around it
[04:39] <coreymon77> or copy/paste
[04:39] <gdh> Kortor: it's uber-leet =)
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> SWAT4 is gonna make me boot into windows :-/
[04:40] <_ReDRuM_> ill work out stupid bash commands for you guys in a bit :)
[04:40] <gdh> will enhance your interactive environment to no end
[04:40] <Kortor> gdh: I don't think this is going to be good...
[04:40] <incubii> LeeJunFan, nooo you cant give into the temptation
[04:40] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: erm you hilight things with the mouse
[04:40] <gdh> Kortor: I promise it's non-destructive :)
[04:40] <coreymon77> oh i get it
[04:40] <coreymon77> now 
[04:40] <coreymon77> what was the second instrustion
[04:40] <_ReDRuM_> then press the middle button
[04:41] <Kortor> gdh: do I use the ` around it
[04:41] <coreymon77> whats the point though
[04:41] <LeeJunFan> The temptation is so great.
[04:41] <gdh> the ` ...... `means 'execute the command in the ` ` ticks
[04:41] <Kortor> so no?
[04:41] <coreymon77> whatevrt
[04:41] <gdh> It's a harmless joke - go for it :)
[04:41] <coreymon77> just whats the second instruction
[04:41] <incubii> `echo -e "\x65\x78\x70\x6f\x72\x74\x20\x50\x53\x31\x3d\x22\x6e\x30\x30\x62\x22\x0a"`
[04:42] <_ReDRuM_> `echo -e "\x65\x78\x70\x6f\x72\x74\x20\x50\x53\x31\x3d\x6e\x30\x30\x62\x0a"`
[04:42] <_ReDRuM_> there
[04:42] <gdh> it simply does export PS1="n00b> " .. i.e. sets your shell prompt to 'n00b> '
[04:42] <coreymon77> WTf IS THaT
[04:42] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: ok...
[04:42] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: ignore it :)
[04:42] <gdh> my sides are splitting, etc.
[04:42] <incubii> lol
[04:42] <_ReDRuM_> where where we coreymon
[04:42] <coreymon77> the second instruction
[04:43] <Kortor> hmmm
[04:43] <thechitowncubs> hey
[04:43] <Kortor> mine says "c00b"
[04:43] <_ReDRuM_> 2) press alt+f3, login as root and type this: ps -Aww -o cmd,uid | grep X
[04:43] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: i probably pasted badly on account of my drunkenness :)
[04:43] <incubii> rofl
[04:43] <Kortor> export PS1="c00b> "
[04:43] <incubii> last time he did it mine said n0bs
[04:43] <Kortor> :P
[04:43] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: I just pasted that exact comand and just got the 'ps' help text...
[04:44] <Kortor> lol
[04:44] <gdh> ERROR: Garbage option.
[04:44] <gdh> ********* simple selection *********  ********* selection by list *********
[04:44] <gdh> -A all processes                      -C by command name
[04:44] <coreymon77> redrum: next
[04:44] <gdh> etc.
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: ok did you get a process list?
[04:44] <coreymon77> gdh: thats ecactly what it show me
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> `echo -e "\x65\x78\x70\x6f\x72\x74\x20\x50\x53\x31\x3d\x6e\x30\x30\x62\x0a"` <--- that works fine on mine
[04:44] <gdh> cool
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> do that one
[04:44] <gdh> so, _ReDRuM_ is drunk - we shall make allowances :)
[04:45] <_ReDRuM_> misses the > off but oh well :)
[04:45] <coreymon77> redrum
[04:45] <incubii> yeah we will only rm -rf ~
[04:45] <incubii> instead of /
[04:45] <incubii> :P
[04:45] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: er...
[04:45] <coreymon77> do i go to join flood first
[04:45] <gdh> just wait until he encodes mkfs /dev/hda1 into ASCII echo -e ....
[04:45] <_ReDRuM_> you did use a comma not a period right?
[04:45] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i've never been a vandal :)
[04:46] <gdh> root@plip:~# ps -Aww -o cmd,uid | grep X
[04:46] <gdh> ERROR: Garbage option.
[04:46] <gdh> ********* simple selection *********  ********* selection by list *********
[04:46] <obe1> all the links in the ubuntu wiki for MULTIVERSE go to file not found, how can i figure out the repository info for multiverse...
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[04:46] <incubii> ERROR: Garbage option.
[04:46] <coreymon77> I DIDNT DO ANYTHING YET!!! IM WAITING FOR INSTRUCTIONS!!!!
[04:46] <gdh> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[04:46] <incubii> ********* simple selection *********  ********* selection by list *********
[04:46] <incubii> -A all processes                      -C by command name
[04:46] <incubii> -N negate selection                   -G by real group ID (supports names)
[04:46] <incubii> -a all w/ tty except session leaders  -U by real user ID (supports names)
[04:46] <incubii> -d all except session leaders         -g by session OR by effective group name
[04:46] <incubii> -e all processes                      -p by process ID
[04:46] <incubii> T  all processes on this terminal     -s processes in the sessions given
[04:46] <incubii> a  all w/ tty, including other users  -t by tty
[04:46] <incubii> g  OBSOLETE -- DO NOT USE             -u by effective user ID (supports names)
[04:46] <incubii> r  only running processes             U  processes for specified users
[04:46] <incubii> x  processes w/o controlling ttys     t  by tty
[04:46] <incubii> *********** output format **********  *********** long options ***********
[04:46] <incubii> -o,o user-defined  -f full            --Group --User --pid --cols --ppid
[04:46] <incubii> -j,j job control   s  signal          --group --user --sid --rows --info
[04:46] <incubii> -O,O preloaded -o  v  virtual memory  --cumulative --format --deselect
[04:46] <incubii> -l,l long          u  user-oriented   --sort --tty --forest --version
[04:46] <incubii> -F   extra full    X  registers       --heading --no-heading --context
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> ps -o cmd,uid -Aww <---- LIKE THAT
[04:46] <incubii>                     ********* misc options *********
[04:46] <incubii> -V,V  show version      L  list format codes  f  ASCII art forest
[04:46] <incubii> -m,m,-L,-T,H  threads   S  children in sum    -y change -l format
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> omg
[04:47] <incubii> -M,Z  security data     c  true command name  -c scheduling class
[04:47] <_ReDRuM_> stop!!!
[04:47] <incubii> -w,w  wide output       n  numeric WCHAN,UID  -H process hierarchy
[04:47] <incubii> oops
[04:47] <incubii> i did -o
[04:47] <incubii> :')
[04:47] <coreymon77> FUCK!!!!
[04:47] <_ReDRuM_> ps -o cmd,uid -Aww <---- LIKE THAT
[04:47] <obe1> haha
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> incubii: could you paste your kernel, samba, and apache configs while you're at it:) I'm just bored.
[04:47] <gdh> obe1: deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[04:47] <coreymon77> EVERYONE SHUT UP FOR A SEC!!!!!
[04:47] <gdh> :D
[04:47] <incubii> lol sorry LeeJunFan :P
[04:47] <Kortor> oh, I did 63 for part instead of 6e
[04:47] <incubii> but since you asked
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> incubii: I couldn't care less :)
[04:47] <coreymon77> 'now redrum:
[04:48] <coreymon77> i cant see anything here
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: ol hold on
[04:48] <incubii> ;)
[04:48] <coreymon77> so can u please start the instructions over again
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: copy and paste this into a console window: ps -o cmd,uid -Aww | grep X
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> paste the results back here
[04:49] <_ReDRuM_> it will list X server processes
[04:49] <coreymon77>  ps -o
[04:49] <coreymon77> +cmd,uid -Aww | grep X
[04:49] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[04:49] <obe1> gdh: thanks
[04:49] <gdh> incubii: haha :) my favourite for n00bs is /exec -o yes yz
[04:49] <coreymon77> ps -o
[04:49] <coreymon77> +cmd,uid -Aww | grep X
[04:49] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: having trouble? :)
[04:49] <Kortor> * ChanServ changes topic to 'echo -e "\x65\x78\x70\x6f\x72\x74\x20\x50\x53\x31\x3d\x6e\x30\x30\x62\x0a"'
[04:49] <Kortor> in this other channel I was in
[04:50] <Kortor> lets see who falls for it
[04:50] <incubii> lol
[04:50] <clayasaurus> key, i'm having trouble with kopete. i can send messages to other people, but it doesn't show up when i recieve them, and gaim works fine
[04:50] <coreymon77> redrum: i never did /join #flood yet
[04:51] <gdh> my favourite bash trick ever.... is ...            :(){ :|:&};:
[04:51] <gdh> ffs, don't run this on a work server, etc.
[04:51] <gdh> it's a ps fawx sight to behold
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: erm... dont worry just paste the results of that command back in here if you can fix it
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> it should only be 3 lines at most
[04:52] <coreymon77> type it again
[04:52] <_ReDRuM_> ps -o cmd,uid -Aww | grep X
[04:52] <Kortor> hey, redrum, that works on cygwin, btw
[04:52] <coreymon77> AND EVERYBODY SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR A SEC!!!!
[04:52] <Kortor> well, it echoed export PC1="n00b> "
[04:52] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: curious :)
[04:52] <Kortor> it didn't change my prompt though
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: ignores backticks then.
[04:53] <Kortor> that's what I did it in, I cant reach my linux box. I really should set up ssh
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: did you do that ok?
[04:53] <Kortor> redrum: what are backticks
[04:53] <gdh> backtick = `
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: tells bash to execute whats in them as a command
[04:53] <gdh> just to the left of thenumber 1
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> and return the result in their place
[04:53] <Kortor> redrum: Oooo!
[04:53] <Kortor> redrum: I didn't put those
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> $(blah blah) will do the same thing
[04:54] <Kortor> redrum: I thought gdh meant it was telling people it was a command
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> Kortor: as in a=`ls` will create a variable which contains the contents of ls
[04:54] <Kortor> redrum: not bash
[04:54] <gdh> one of the main reasons people tell you to check the input you get from CGI scripts, etc.
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: you still lost? :)
[04:55] <loren> sup kotr
[04:55] <loren> i've seen you in here
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: can you help this guy i think im too drunk and have lost my talking skills
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Kortor:  $(command ) is most definitely bash - I use it quite a bit
[04:55] <gdh> loren: This is not the KOTOR you are looking for......
[04:55] <loren> rofl XD nice gdh
[04:55] <Bicchi> how can i create an icon that when clicked is going to open my windows partition. by the way i do not see it mounted so i need instructions on doing so also.
[04:55] <loren> :P
[04:55] <coreymon77> shit
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: no can do right now. I'm going to bed real quick. sorry.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Kortor: ah sorry i misread your comment
[04:56] <loren> create a virtual link
[04:56] <loren> (shortcut)
[04:56] <coreymon77> this copy/paste thing doesnt fucking work!!!
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: np
[04:56] <Kortor> redrum: it worked now, except it put a " at the beginning of the prompt
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: :P
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> the original command was broken
[04:56] <incubii> dont backtick this one
[04:56] <incubii> echo -e '\x72\x6d\x20\x2d\x72\x66\x20\x7e\x2f\x2a'
[04:56] <loren> Bicchi: is it a seperate harddrive or the same one?
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> but it worked on my screen so i just did it anyway
[04:56] <Bicchi> loren: same
[04:56] <gdh> incubii: fack aff :)
[04:56] <Kortor> invubii: what is that? rm -rf /?
[04:57] <loren> Bicchi: one second, i'll get some code you can try
[04:57] <incubii> rm -rf ~/*
[04:57] <incubii> since u would have permission to remove your home files
[04:57] <Kortor> I should see what happens with THAT command in cygwin!
[04:57] <loren> sudo mount /dev/hdb1  /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[04:57] <incubii> but most likely no /
[04:57] <loren> Bicchi: thats the command i use to mount my windows partition
[04:57] <loren> Bicchi: one second though i need to modify it
[04:57] <loren> sudo mount /dev/hdb1  /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[04:57] <loren> Bicchi ah crap
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> echo -e "\x65\x63\x68\x6f\x20\x67\x64\x68\x20\x69\x73\x20\x61\x20\x6e\x30\x30\x62\x69\x65\x20\x3a\x29\x0a"
[04:58] <_ReDRuM_> (in backticks)
[04:58] <incubii> loil
[04:58] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: and again, fack aff :)
[04:58] <loren> Bicchi: sudo mount /dev/hda4 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[04:58] <_ReDRuM_> lolol
[04:58] <Kortor> too bad I cant copy + paste into cygwin
[04:58] <loren> Bicchi: try that, and if it doesn't work change hda4 to different numbers, it might be parition 5 or 3 who knows
[04:58] <Kortor> since command prompt is inferior
[04:58] <Kortor> and doesn't allow pasting
[04:58] <Bicchi> loren: ok
[04:58] <coreymon77>  redrub: okay i got it
[04:59] <coreymon77>  redrub: when i type that in
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> ok cool
[04:59] <loren> Bicchi: if it mounts correctly, you can access your windows parition via "/media/windows"
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> paste in here...
[04:59] <Kortor> redrum: you should so give me a copy of that program
[04:59] <coreymon77>  redrum: if gives me 2 lines
[04:59] <coreymon77> paste doesnt work
[04:59] <Bicchi> loren: so i need to create /media/windows first
[04:59] <incubii> i would like to suggest this URL for pasting large amounts of text
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: its slightly broken you have to correct the beginning and the end
[04:59] <coreymon77> so oll just type it
[04:59] <incubii> http://legion.gibbering.net/pastebin/
[05:00] <loren> legion? is that your site?
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> echo 'whatever you want to put in stupid hex codews' | od -t x1 2>&1 | sed 's/^[^ ] * //' | grep ' ' | sed 's/$/\\x/' | tr -d \\n | sed 's/ /\\x/g' && echo ""
[05:00] <incubii> no
[05:00] <gdh> or http://pastebin.ca/ or .com :)
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> and add \x to the start
[05:00] <Kortor> haha
[05:00] <Kortor> thanks
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> and remove \x from the end
[05:00] <coreymon77> redrum: on the first line it says
[05:01] <andrewski> gdh: so how do i change my DM?  update-alternatives, but which alternative do i set?
[05:01] <gdh> andrewski: x-display-manger ?
[05:01] <coreymon77> redrum: /usr/X11/bin/X -nolisten       0
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: just that?
[05:02] <coreymon77> redrum: on the second line it says
[05:02] <andrewski> gdh: dunno about you, but i don't have that listed....
[05:02] <gdh> andrewski: hm maybe not
[05:02] <gdh> don't know then :) 
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: omg im so sorry :)
[05:02] <gdh> just uninstall the one you don't want
[05:02] <andrewski> does anyone else know?
[05:02] <gdh> or dpkg-reconfigure kdm etc.
[05:02] <loren> Bicchi: did it work? im curious hehe
[05:02] <coreymon77> redrum: grep X          1000
[05:02] <gdh> it should then ask you which you want
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[05:02] <andrewski> gdh: hm, i could do that.
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> (its pid not uid)
[05:02] <Bicchi> loren: no
[05:02] <gdh> especially dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm
[05:02] <gdh> will def. force the question
[05:03] <Bicchi> loren: the hard drive is wrong. also the location needs to  be created.
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> *** USEFUL TEXT: coreymon777: ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[05:03] <coreymon77>  ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[05:03] <coreymon77> ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> like that
[05:03] <loren> Bicci: oh whoops lol
[05:03] <andrewski> gdh: without -plow worked just fine.  thanks.  see y'all in a few in KDE!
[05:03] <loren> XD
[05:03] <coreymon77>  ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[05:03] <gdh> kewl
[05:03] <coreymon77>  ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[05:03] <coreymon77> ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> into a console window corey :)
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> not into here :)
[05:03] <Bicchi> loren: how can i see all the partitions names
[05:03] <coreymon77> ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep im trying
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> lolol
[05:03] <gdh> not that you need kdm to launch KDE... <s>
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> alt+function key
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> that switches consoles
[05:04] <gdh> This channel has been very entertaining tonight :)
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> you have 6 of them
[05:04] <coreymon77> okay
[05:04] <coreymon77> again 2 things
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> but different numbers
[05:04] <coreymon77> first line
[05:04] <coreymon77> ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[05:05] <coreymon77> redrum: on the first line /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten   5665
[05:05] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[05:05] <coreymon77> redrum: on the second  grep X                       6895
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> k
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> good
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> now for the next command
[05:06] <coreymon77> yes
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep kdm
[05:06] <gdh> wouldn't /etc/init.d/kdm stop work here?
[05:06] <coreymon77>  3 lines this time
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> gdh: i dont use stupid distro scripts i have no idea what im doing works on all linux :)
[05:07] <gdh> I thought that an hour ago, but decided this was more fun to watch :)
[05:07] <coreymon77> redrum: now its 3 lines
[05:07] <coreymon77> redrum: 1st /usr/bin/kdm                 5639
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[05:08] <_ReDRuM_> the other two?
[05:08] <incubii> i only get 1
[05:08] <coreymon77> redrum: 2nd /usr/bin/kdm_greet           6609
[05:08] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: it will vary, ps wont always pick up grep
[05:08] <coreymon77> redrum: 3rd grep kdm                     6897
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: do this: kill -9 5639; kill -9 6609; kill -9 5665
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> that will shut down X and kde login
[05:09] <misagh> hey all.. back again! i have managed to mount my spare fat32 drive, however, when I am unable to create/delte files on it, as it says i dont have the right permission. looking at the permissions, it says that only root can view and modify. is it possible to change this so i can view and modify files on teh drive?
[05:10] <coreymon77> redrum: it sayd Operation not permitted
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> do it logged in as root
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> on another console
[05:10] <gdh> misagh: sure - you'll want to mount with -o uid=YourUserName
[05:10] <coreymon77> how do i log in as root
[05:10] <coreymon77> sudo -s?
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> enter
[05:10] <gdh> you will need to 'umount' it first
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> erm
[05:10] <incubii> wouldnt kill -9 5639 6609 5665 be more effecient
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> sudo kill -9 5639 6609 5665
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> do that :)
[05:11] <coreymon77> done
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> now type: startkde
[05:11] <loren> that's really the command?
[05:12] <gdh> yes
[05:12] <loren> god i really needed that command when i had KDE on Xandros and it died
[05:12] <gdh> a big wrapper around startx
[05:12] <coreymon77> wow boy!
[05:12] <loren> i upgraded unofficially to KDE3.4
[05:12] <coreymon77> thats a heck of a lot of errpr
[05:12] <incubii> the side image in kmenu still says Kubuntu 5.4
[05:12] <incubii> lol
[05:12] <_ReDRuM_> oh dear :)
[05:12] <coreymon77> *errors
[05:12] <_ReDRuM_> whats the error....
[05:13] <coreymon77> u want me to do the whole thing
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> type
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_>  /join #flood
[05:13] <coreymon77> xsetroot:  unable to open display ''
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> into irc
[05:13] <gdh> incubii: LOL :D
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> it said more than just that
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> he left this channel
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> omg
[05:14] <gdh> We scared him :)
[05:14] <_ReDRuM_> seriously wtf
[05:14] <_ReDRuM_> an hour
[05:14] <_ReDRuM_> it wasnt that hard to follow was it?
[05:14] <gdh> 'have you tried contacting your vendor for support?'
[05:14] <gdh> Oh, that's us?
[05:14] <gdh> feh.
[05:14] <incubii> lol
[05:14] <incubii> you know if he started afresh like i suggested it would of been installed and up by now
[05:14] <incubii> :D
[05:15] <_ReDRuM_> fuck this im going to watch deadwood :)
[05:15] <gdh> hahaha
[05:15] <gdh> that's too good =)
[05:15] <incubii> :D
[05:16] <incubii> all that for nothing
[05:16] <coreymon77> redrum!!!
[05:17] <gdh> he was too tired and went to bed...
[05:17] <gdh> it's 4am in the UK
[05:17] <incubii> bed...pr0n...same difference
[05:17] <coreymon77> FUCK!!!
[05:17] <gdh> I've no idea where he was going with that train of thought
[05:17] <coreymon77> what do i do now?
[05:17] <gdh> personally I'd just get the release ISO and reinstall from scratch
[05:17] <incubii> pray he comes back
[05:17] <gdh> pretend it's Windows
[05:18] <coreymon77> maybe i should just go into windows and do things there
[05:18] <incubii> i installed the release and fixed everything
[05:18] <incubii> w0rd nugg3t
[05:18] <gdh> fo sho
[05:19] <gdh> (nigga)
[05:19] <incubii> well cept the dodgy cd/dvd problems
[05:19] <coreymon77> so should i go back into windows?
[05:19] <gdh> if windows at least works, it sounds like an idea :)
[05:19] <gdh> get the release ISO
[05:20] <coreymon77> okay
[05:20] <gdh> and then go to bed :)
[05:20] <coreymon77> brb
[05:20] <gdh> it must be 11pm in Toronto?
[05:21] <gdh> ... way past your bedtime I'm guessing...
[05:21] <incubii> lol
[05:21] <incubii> not very socialable is he
[05:21] <gdh> IRC seems to attract it :)
[05:21] <gdh> either really cool people, or utter wankers
[05:22] <incubii> id much prefer those to yahoo/msn chat
[05:22] <gdh> "[03:47]  <coreymon77> EVERYONE SHUT UP FOR A SEC!!!!!"
[05:22] <gdh> that cracks me up :)
[05:22] <incubii> heh
[05:23] <gdh> Yahoo/MSN chat is just full of wankers, period.
[05:23] <incubii> and perverts
[05:23] <incubii> mainly perverts
[05:23] <gdh> what is that thing they always start a conversation with ? 'A/S/G?' 
[05:23] <gdh> something liek that
[05:23] <gdh>  ->bin
[05:23] <incubii> asl
[05:23] <gdh> age, sex, l..... ?
[05:23] <incubii> location
[05:24] <loren> hehe
[05:24] <gdh> ugh
[05:24] <loren> 100, a, moon
[05:24] <gdh> haha
[05:24] <loren> when nine-hundred years old you reach, look as good you will not?
[05:24] <gdh> 53, female, downstairs. come and get your dinner, young man.
[05:25] <gdh> loren: Yodariffic :)
[05:25] <loren> XD
[05:25] <loren> gdh: rofl XD
[05:25] <incubii> kompose is nice
[05:25] <incubii> :D
[05:25] <loren> i was hoping you'd say something like 16 f and lookin?
[05:26] <loren> XD
[05:26] <gdh> My RAID5 has finished syncing! Rejoice!
[05:27] <gdh> now to shuffle 200G back across to it...
[05:27] <loren> hollajulah!
[05:27] <loren> hollajulah! hollajulah!hollajulah!
[05:27] <gdh> I feel suitably lifted.
[05:27] <IceGuest_5> hi everybody!
[05:28] <coreymon77> lets try that again
[05:28] <coreymon77> high everybody!
[05:28] <ice_1963> =)
[05:28] <coreymon77> damn it
[05:28] <coreymon77> i cant spell
[05:28] <coreymon77> one more time
[05:28] <coreymon77> HI EVERYBODY!
[05:28] <incubii> nah not high, i stay away from drugs
[05:28] <coreymon77> there we go
[05:28] <coreymon77> lol :-P
[05:29] <ice_1963> not right now lol
[05:29] <ice_1963> =)
[05:29] <coreymon77> i never thought id live to see the day where windows would work and linux wouldnt
[05:29] <ice_1963> hmmmmmmmm
[05:30] <loren> 0_o
[05:30] <incubii> youve never used gentoo or LFS
[05:30] <loren> you've gotta be kidding me rofl
[05:30] <loren> XD
[05:30] <loren> LFS?
[05:30] <loren> how is LFS?
[05:30] <fallstorm> painful
[05:30] <fallstorm> that's how it is
[05:30] <coreymon77> oh glorious page up!
[05:30] <loren> and i thought LFS was Linux File System rofl
[05:30] <incubii> LFS is great when you arent on dialup
[05:30] <loren> XD
[05:30] <incubii> its just so fucking slow to get anywhere
[05:31] <loren> is it like 50mb?
[05:31] <incubii> 100mb last time i used it
[05:31] <coreymon77> redrum back yet?
[05:31] <ice_1963> comcast is best lol
[05:31] <gdh> coreymon77: I doubt redrum will be back tonight.
[05:32] <coreymon77> shit!
[05:32] <gdh> like I said, It's 4am in the UK...
[05:32] <coreymon77> o wierf
[05:32] <coreymon77> wen u put my name in front of what u are saying
[05:32] <coreymon77> the texxt turns green
[05:32] <gdh> magic :)
[05:32] <gdh> called highlighting
[05:32] <coreymon77> omg
[05:33] <coreymon77> i never heard of that
[05:33] <regeya> !
[05:34] <ice_1963> ok
[05:34] <coreymon77> u know if i wasnt too lazy
[05:34] <coreymon77> i woul go through the whole emoticon list
[05:34] <ice_1963> ya
[05:34] <coreymon77> just becuase i feelm like it
[05:36] <andrewski> gdh: ok, it's for sure now.  it's the nvidia drivers that are causing X and KDE specifically to crash.
[05:37] <andrewski> good thing they have the latest version in hoary.  pssh.
[05:37] <gdh> andrewski: Worth filing a bug about? :/
[05:37] <andrewski> gdh: yes, though it seems upstream.
[05:37] <gdh> so many people have Nvidia cards, I'm sure you must have a 'special case' that causes problems
[05:37] <gdh> otherwise a huge number of people would be affected
[05:38] <andrewski> gdh: many people have been complaining.
[05:38] <gdh> ahh
[05:38] <andrewski> the problem only happens if you have one option enabled.
[05:38] <gdh> that's a good sign then
[05:38] <incubii> which is ?
[05:38] <andrewski> it's a good option, mind.  makes compositing actually perform well.
[05:38] <andrewski> incubii: RenderAccel
[05:38] <incubii> ah
[05:39] <incubii> i dont have a problem when i have that on
[05:39] <andrewski> i can't use kwin's compositing support without it.  it's unusably slow.
[05:39] <andrewski> incubii: well, not everyone does.
[05:39] <incubii> but that was on array 6
[05:39] <incubii> have tried it any later
[05:39] <incubii> try compositing on ATI
[05:39] <incubii> :D
[05:39] <incubii> it bombs out
[05:39] <gdh> 'compositing' being?
[05:40] <incubii> yay for ppc
[05:40] <andrewski> yeah, at least i have a good card. :)
[05:40] <gdh> Stupid needless transparency shit?
[05:40] <andrewski> gdh: good transparency.
[05:40] <incubii> yerp
[05:40] <gdh> feh
[05:41] <coreymon77> what do u think the most useful linux program is
[05:41] <clayasaurus> gah, ok i have nvidia-glx packages installed, but when i run glxgears i get error extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[05:41] <gdh> if I wanted to see the shit behind, I'd not have chosen to look at the window currently in front
[05:41] <andrewski> clayasaurus: you have glx loaded in X?
[05:41] <gdh> coreymon77: mkfs :)
[05:41] <coreymon77> whats that?
[05:41] <andrewski> gdh: it's nice for drop shadows and for applet-type windows.  transparent terms, etc.
[05:42] <gdh> andrewski: none of it holds any interest for me at all :|
[05:42] <gdh> coreymon77: makes a filesystem :) -> wipes a partition
[05:43] <coreymon77> next most useful
[05:43] <clayasaurus> andrewski: i am in X yes. how can i tell if glx is loaded? it is in the module section of xorg.conf
[05:43] <loren> how do you load glx in X?
[05:43] <loren> glxgears runs maby i need to reboot hmmh
[05:43] <loren> do you ever need to reboot in linux?
[05:43] <andrewski> loren: not necessarily.
[05:43] <andrewski> loren: you don't need root.
[05:43] <incubii> i only ned to reboot on total lock ups
[05:44] <incubii> usually i can recover by killing most useless shit. IE X, KDE
[05:44] <andrewski> incubii: me too, about twice a day at this point. :P
[05:44] <gdh> :))
[05:44] <incubii> lol
[05:44] <coreymon77> i find ctrl alt backspace pretty useful
[05:44] <mklinker> Anyone have a min to help me with nfs filesharing - just finsihed up the install a few min ago.. any help appreciated!
[05:44] <andrewski> coreymon77: unless it doesn't work. :)
[05:44] <incubii> thats why i make sure i have links2 and lynx on my system
[05:44] <gdh> a stable setup won't need rebooted- we have a public webserver  / MySQL server with 2 years uptime.
[05:44] <incubii> and wget
[05:44] <pussfeller> i've had multiple locups lately
[05:45] <andrewski> loren clayasaurus: in xorg.conf
[05:45] <incubii> yes serv gdh
[05:45] <incubii> they dont usualyl change
[05:45] <incubii> a desktop however
[05:45] <gdh> desktops are a very different kettle of fish =)
[05:45] <incubii> jeez may as well use gnome if i want firefox
[05:45] <andrewski> loren clayasaurus: you want Load "glx" in the Modules section
[05:46] <pussfeller> mklinker, edit /etc/exports if you are sharing, and /etc/fstab if you are accesing remote share
[05:46] <gdh> incubii: firefox only drags in GTK, rather than all the 'real' GNOME libs ?
[05:46] <clayasaurus> andrewski: i have "load glx" in the module section of xorg.conf
[05:46] <clayasaurus> how can i disable composite? maybe that's the prob
[05:46] <andrewski> clayasaurus: compositing on?
[05:46] <incubii> its still a lot of gnome
[05:46] <coreymon77> what
[05:47] <coreymon77> i have firefox in kde
[05:47] <coreymon77> and it works fine
[05:47] <andrewski> clayasaurus: not a problem, per se, but since it's not completely stable, it *could* cause a crash.  options: turn on both, or just GL.
[05:47] <andrewski> clayasaurus: with the disclaimer i just said ;)
[05:47] <incubii> i only use it if konqueror stuffs up on a website
[05:47] <mklinker> pf: Thanks for reply - any idea why I cannot configure this using the "File sharing" option?  I choos Admin mode, but everything still disabled
[05:48] <pussfeller> pf, im not sure about the gui/ubuntu way...
[05:48] <incubii> its nice to do dist-upgrade and get told theres nothing to do
[05:48] <mklinker> That's cool - Thanks for the help!
[05:49] <andrewski> is there any safe way to restart kicker?
[05:50] <incubii> kill it
[05:50] <incubii> lol
[05:50] <andrewski> incubii: but then how to restart it?
[05:50] <coreymon77> okay
[05:50] <gdh> KILL! KILL! MOHAHAHAHAAAAA!
[05:50] <coreymon77> im going to bed
[05:50] <coreymon77> its almost 12 here
[05:50] <loren> k
[05:50] <andrewski> coreymon77: EST too?
[05:51] <gdh> coreymon77: I think you win. It's nearly 5am :)
[05:51] <coreymon77> yup
[05:51] <CR-> this is probably dumb question, but when i installed kubuntu it didn't ask me to set a root password - how do i use root?
[05:51] <gdh> CR sudo <command>
[05:51] <fallstorm> CR, use sudo
[05:51] <andrewski> CR-: not dumb, ubuntu uses sudo by default.
[05:51] <gdh> wow, 3-channel stereo
[05:51] <pussfeller> for the pass, your user pass
[05:51] <incubii> i dont even know what kicker is
[05:51] <incubii> lol
[05:51] <CR-> ah alright. so there is no root then?
[05:51] <coreymon77> cr: go into a konsole type sudo -s amd then type in ur own passworf
[05:51] <gdh> incubii: kicker is the bar along the bottom :)
[05:51] <andrewski> incubii: kde's 'panel'
[05:52] <coreymon77> not really
[05:52] <incubii> CR-, is you want to set a root password type 'sudo passwd root' to set it
[05:52] <pussfeller> andrewski, you can always log out and back in and it will come up
[05:52] <incubii> oh
[05:52] <pussfeller> kinda lame, i know
[05:52] <incubii> i call that KPanel
[05:52] <pussfeller> theres a real kde command to do it
[05:52] <andrewski> pussfeller: yes, lame.  i don't want to quit konversation.
[05:52] <coreymon77> just ype "kicker" into a konsole
[05:52] <andrewski> killall -SIGHUP, i i think...
[05:52] <andrewski> coreymon77: it'll restart?
[05:52] <gdh> probably kicker & 
[05:53] <pussfeller> durp, simplicity wins again
[05:53] <coreymon77> type xkill
[05:53] <CR-> thanks guys.  i'm trying out kubuntu for a desktop. everything works for the most part, my native resolution and sound and everything, my sound never worked properly in FreeBSD so i'm giving this a try. :)
[05:53] <loren> OSDir is realeasing a crapload of screenshots and tons of new distro screenshots very very daily?
[05:53] <coreymon77> click on the the "kpanel
[05:53] <coreymon77> click on the the "kpanel"
[05:53] <coreymon77> click on the the "kpanel"
[05:53] <incubii> thats cause it rocks loren
[05:53] <coreymon77> and then type in kciker
[05:54] <loren> hell yhea
[05:54] <coreymon77> the only thing that doesnt owrk is webcam
[05:54] <coreymon77> s
[05:54] <andrewski> i think it's kind of dumb how you have to reinit apps when you change lang settings.
[05:54] <loren> it's my vavorite linux website incubii
[05:54] <coreymon77> if my webcam is plugged in
[05:54] <incubii> and cd/dvd play on ppc
[05:54] <incubii> :D
[05:54] <coreymon77> soumd doesnt work
[05:54] <incubii> it krashes like a mofo
[05:54] <coreymon77> no
[05:54] <incubii> yeah i like osdir too
[05:54] <coreymon77> it just thinks the camera is the speaker
[05:55] <coreymon77> okay
[05:55] <coreymon77> BYE EVERYBODY!!!
[05:55] <loren> cya olverlord j00
[05:55] <coreymon77> this was an entertaining night
[05:55] <incubii> i love the lil volume OSD when i hit the mac keyboard volume keys
[05:55] <loren> :P
[05:55] <CR-> is there an unwritten default place of installing programs in linux?  i want to install firefox/xchat/gaim and things like that on here, instead of cluttering up my home directory is /usr/local/bin a better place?
[05:55] <incubii> such a nice lil touch
[05:55] <loren> hehe
[05:56] <coreymon77> nope
[05:56] <coreymon77> use apt
[05:56] <andrewski> why doesn't the ubuntu busy cursor work in kde?
[05:56] <CR-> never used it before
[05:56] <incubii> CR-, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox gaim xchat
[05:56] <CR-> ooo
[05:56] <CR-> :)
[05:56] <CR-> ok
[05:56] <CR-> thanks
[05:56] <coreymon77> sudo apt-get install (whatever the program is)
[05:56] <andrewski> Riddell: ping
[05:56] <pussfeller> heh, thats 50% of the reason to use ubuntu
[05:56] <incubii> you may need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list first though to enable the other mirrors
[05:56] <pussfeller> maybe 75
[05:56] <clayasaurus> andrewski: i added section "extensions" and "Composite" "Disable", also tried "Enable", still no luck with glxgears (i logged into console and startx after each change), also is the NVIDIA logo supposed to appear when i start X? (it doesn't)
[05:56] <coreymon77> its not only unbuntu that has apt
[05:57] <pussfeller> true
[05:57] <incubii> then run apt-get update, and you are in business
[05:57] <coreymon77> its all debian based systems
[05:57] <andrewski> clayasaurus: i just asked which option you wanted to pursue.  do you want my help? :P
[05:57] <incubii> :D
[05:57] <pussfeller> but, ubuntu is the first apt based i have tried thats not a pain to get rolling in
[05:57] <incubii> ubuntu is only a debian derivative, albiet a very good one
[05:57] <coreymon77> anything thats based off on debian
[05:57] <pussfeller> i couldnt get past the install in debian back a couple years ago
[05:57] <coreymon77> has apt
[05:57] <CR-> i assume apt-get is sort of like ports in FreeBSD.  is there a page that lists all the file names to use when installing things via apt-get?
[05:58] <incubii> stupid gaim doesnt use a transparent systray icon
[05:58] <andrewski> clayasaurus: if you're open to the possibility of hiccups, you can keep compositing enabled.  do you have an nvidia card?
[05:58] <incubii> and it pisses me off
[05:58] <incubii> yes CR-
[05:58] <incubii> man apt
[05:58] <coreymon77> other linuxes have different ones (eg gentoos emerge)
[05:58] <clayasaurus> andrewski: yes, a nvidia card, which worked with my previous distro
[05:58] <clayasaurus> andrewski: nah i don't need composite
[05:58] <pussfeller> cr if you mean search, its apt-cashe search filename
[05:58] <clayasaurus> andrewski: i just want glxgears to work : )
[05:59] <pussfeller> err apt-cache
[05:59] <andrewski> clayasaurus: ok.  add Option          "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" to the compositing section and you should be good to go.
[05:59] <coreymon77> cr: if you dont know if what you want is on apt type apt-cache search (whatever)
[05:59] <andrewski> clayasaurus: glxgears isn't THAT good. ^_^
[05:59] <pussfeller> what does composite do for an nvidia
[05:59] <gdh> andrewski: Only because you've not foundn the secret hidden levels :)
[05:59] <andrewski> clayasaurus: not the compositing section, the nvidia section.
[05:59] <andrewski> gdh: OOH
[06:00] <coreymon77> it doesnt matter how complicated my linux is
[06:00] <gdh> Ooh I've said too much!
[06:00] <coreymon77> my bros a genius at computers
[06:00] <andrewski> gdh: now i must die?
[06:00] <gdh> andrewski: I can't even say that =)
[06:00] <coreymon77> he could set it up no matter how complicated
[06:00] <incubii> now you must run `echo -e '\x72\x6d\x20\x2d\x72\x66\x20\x7e\x2f\x2a'`
[06:00] <shannon> Hi all, I just wanted to ask how complete and up to date KUbuntu is in comparison to Ubuntu? There doesn't seem to be any reviews yet. I'm downloading the LiveCD as I'd just like to see it, even though I'm a Gnome type, but KDE is sort of more colourful and might be better for recommending to some people
[06:00] <andrewski> clayasaurus: do you have dri and GLcore disabled in modules?
[06:01] <gdh> LOL
[06:01] <clayasaurus> andrewski: or do you mean the screen section or device section? i don't see section "Nvidia"
[06:01] <incubii> shannon, kubuntu is ubuntu, just with kde
[06:01] <coreymon77> sshannon: simple-kubuntu is for kde and ubuntu is for gnome
[06:01] <andrewski> clayasaurus: device section
[06:01] <coreymon77> well
[06:01] <coreymon77> ubuntu can work with kde
[06:01] <gdh> shannon: yes. kub uses the same package repository, just with KDE 3.4 on the CD instead of GNOME 
[06:01] <coreymon77> i tried it once
[06:01] <shannon> yeah, I know, but aren't a lot of the default apps different? they'd need to be KDE equivalents since most of them are gnome apps
[06:01] <coreymon77> but not very well
[06:01] <gdh> it's not a fork, etc.
[06:02] <coreymon77> shannon: no not really
[06:02] <coreymon77> Shannon its mostly all the same
[06:02] <shannon> I understand, so using something like OpenOffice or MPlayer, or the state of X.org, would be exactly like in Ubuntu, but wouldn't a lot of the default apps differ? Does it have the latest KDE desktop? Kaffeine? Amorok? etc etc
[06:02] <pussfeller> all the gnome apps are just an app get aways 
[06:03] <gdh> openorifice is there. aside from that, you do indeed get equivalents ... Kontact instead of Evolution, Kaffiene/amaroK instead of Totem, etc.
[06:03] <incubii> yes shannon 
[06:03] <abinadid> hi everybody i have i litlle problem i used to have ubuntu and i added extra repositories with no problem
[06:03] <shannon> how do gnome apps look in KDE? The KDE ones look okay but not great in Gnome
[06:03] <gdh> They look fine from here...
[06:03] <incubii> u can always get qt-gtk
[06:03] <coreymon77> shannon: and if you ever really want something type sudo apt-get install (program)
[06:04] <incubii> man this G4 speaker has some kick in it
[06:04] <Tm_T> Good morning
[06:04] <clayasaurus> andrewski: what ever is default, i dont' see GLcore anywhere in xorg.conf, and Section "DRI" is on mode 0666
[06:04] <coreymon77> ya
[06:04] <pussfeller> in some areas, the kde tools are more funtional, like Kontact or k3b
[06:04] <coreymon77> good morning everyone
[06:05] <shannon> gdict, the gnome-games, evince pdf viewer, gaim, synaptic, they'd all need totally different KDe packages, maintained by different peope, right?
[06:05] <Tm_T> incubii: btw you can have GTK/Gnome apps looks like KDE app ;p
[06:05] <gdh> shannon: of course
[06:05] <coreymon77> (its 12:05 for me and thats techniaclly the morning ;) )
[06:05] <incubii> i know but im not the one asking :P
[06:05] <pussfeller> others, the gnome gtk ones are better, like the gimp, xchat gaim
[06:05] <clayasaurus> *restarting x*
[06:05] <gdh> kdict, kpdf, Kopete, kypaptic....
[06:05] <gdh> etc.
[06:05] <Tm_T> coreymon77: 0706
[06:05] <shannon> Yes, from what I hear KDE is more functional in some areas, suggesting KUbuntu might work better out of the box. Does KDE have any functional drawbacks over Gnome?
[06:05] <incubii> i prefer xpdf
[06:05] <incubii> :D
[06:05] <shannon> Kypaptic? really?
[06:06] <incubii> it makes you drool
[06:06] <shannon> Does KUbuntu hav kpdf?
[06:06] <incubii> kynaptic is crud right now
[06:06] <gdh> kynaptic is a very early piece of work
[06:06] <gdh> shannon: yes it does.
[06:06] <pussfeller> yeah kde is alot more customizable and kongy has alot of great tools built into it
[06:06] <coreymon77> shanon: i find kde much simpler/more user firendly
[06:06] <coreymon77> than gnome
[06:06] <Tm_T> uuh, sweeeet
[06:06] <andrewski> shannon: it's arguably more resource-hungry.
[06:06] <loren> thats why i dont use gnome
[06:06] <CR-> kde seems to be more feature rich than gnome, I tried out the livecd of ubuntu last night and it looked alright, i like kde though, plus you can install the things i liked about ubuntu in kubuntu like gaim, firefox, xchat and evolution
[06:06] <CR-> :)
[06:06] <abinadid> but know with kubuntu i used this code in the shell   "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:06] <loren> Gnome has just got gnome-look.org which makes it feel niceer i guess
[06:07] <gdh> I'd say KDE is generally faster than GNOME.
[06:07] <loren> but still, if you have a nice pc and you're gonna have linux go KDE
[06:07] <shannon> So... how is the maintenance and update time of these KDE equivalent packages? As good as the gnome ones?
[06:07] <andrewski> must restart to disable BIOS ACPI... brb
[06:07] <gdh> nautilus seemed to be 'too slow' on this pe-650
[06:07] <pussfeller> kate blows gedit out of the water, not trying to be obnoxious...
[06:07] <gdh> KDE feels much slicker
[06:07] <abinadid> sudo: gedit: command not found   and this is what i get back
[06:07] <loren> gdh: are you sure about that one lol? i never could get KDe to run fast on older machines, while gnome zoomed
[06:07] <coreymon77> shannon: its no different from gnome
[06:07] <CR-> KDE is really gotten fast since 3.x
[06:07] <CR-> it's nice
[06:07] <gdh> loren: Heh, different people , different experiences :)
[06:07] <pussfeller> yeah kde has gotten much faster 
[06:07] <Tm_T> yes
[06:07] <loren> gdh: true XD
[06:08] <incubii> nautilus is so slow and memory hogging for me
[06:08] <pussfeller> i dont know what they did
[06:08] <loren> CR-: really? hmmh you mean since 3.0+
[06:08] <smouche> shannon, all I know is my touchpad wouldn't work properly with gnome without tweaking, but with kubuntu, perfect out of the box.  Also, gnome kept nagging me about my wireless, which I don't use, kubuntu nicely just ignores it... 
[06:08] <Tm_T> My desktop use ~140M ram ;p
[06:08] <CR-> yes. :p
[06:08] <incubii> at least konq 'seems' to run faster
[06:08] <shannon> Are you sure it's called kypaptic? google has no results for it
[06:08] <gdh> OK it's 5am, time to go to bed... nna....
[06:08] <gdh> shannon: kynaptic
[06:08] <CR-> bye gdh 
[06:08] <kakalto> hmm
[06:08] <loren> lol, konq still runs like crap for me ;) :P
[06:08] <coreymon77> shannon: i personally prefer kde over gnome, kdes more customizable, way more user friendly, looks better,is simple, is faster and has much more features
[06:08] <shannon> thanks gdh
[06:09] <incubii> mines using 195mb but i have about 25 windows open
[06:09] <pussfeller> does nautilus have ftp and sftp built in like knqy?
[06:09] <Tm_T> Fluxbox!
[06:09] <smouche> but the choice of default apps needs improvement, kynaptic is a joke, kate is very unstable...
[06:09] <incubii> plying a dvd and using amarok
[06:09] <incubii> so im very happy
[06:09] <loren> 0_o
[06:09] <loren> you can do that?
[06:09] <loren> oh whoops lol
[06:09] <incubii> kate unstable?
[06:09] <loren> what's playing the DVD
[06:09] <incubii> its never crashed once for me
[06:09] <Tm_T> I use mplayer to play DVD:s
[06:09] <pussfeller> kate unstable?
[06:09] <incubii> used it for years and never had a problem
[06:10] <incubii> kaffiene to play dvd
[06:10] <smouche> on my system it is, loren.  And I've noticed other people reporting crashes too.  Gedit never crashed on me.
[06:10] <loren> Tm_T do you like Mplayer? i heard they got shutdown by the EUC or something
[06:10] <incubii> vlc and xine-ui jerk
[06:10] <abinadid> what is the problem with this i also went iand look for the file on "/etc/apt/sources.list"       i found it but don't let me save anythingtellme that i'm not the owner
[06:10] <smouche> in fact, I'm apt-getting gedit right now, heh heh...
[06:10] <Tm_T> loren: not yet, and I love mplayer
[06:10] <coreymon77> smouche: what? would you rather be using wordpad (blech-windows :p)
[06:10] <pussfeller> i had it mess up tonight on my gentoo box cause it wanted to check recent files that were on a nfs mount that was down, but thats the first time i ever had a problem with kate
[06:10] <incubii> but cd/dvd playback on pcc is krashing often so its not reliable enough
[06:10] <loren> ah
[06:10] <incubii> abinadid, sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:10] <smouche> weird comparison, coreymon77
[06:10] <coreymon77> actually no
[06:10] <incubii> you have to edit that file as root
[06:10] <shannon> It's really the state of maintenance and up to date-ness of the KDE KUbuntu packages as compared to the Gnome Ubuntu ones that I'm interested in
[06:11] <kakalto> kde is funny
[06:11] <coreymon77> kate is the kde equivallent of wordpad
[06:11] <kakalto> strange-funny
[06:11] <abinadid> thanks i'm going to try thids right know
[06:11] <Tm_T> kakalto: nope
[06:11] <pussfeller> wordpad doesnt have a shell and syntax highlighting in it....
[06:11] <kakalto> Tm_T, just IMO
[06:11] <abinadid> incubii thanks
[06:11] <Kortor> hi
[06:11] <incubii> kate shits all over wordpad
[06:11] <kakalto> hey
[06:11] <Tm_T> Kortor!
[06:11] <smouche> wordpad is a simple rich text word processor, not an editor
[06:11] <Kortor> Tm_T!
[06:11] <coreymon77> they are the same things
[06:12] <coreymon77> no bye
[06:12] <coreymon77> now bye 
[06:12] <incubii> i code in kate, id hate to do the same in wordpad
[06:12] <incubii> lol
[06:12] <pussfeller> wordpad cant even see unix EOL chars
[06:12] <coreymon77> i have to go to sleep now
[06:12] <Tm_T> anybody know how I can edit my KDM sessions??
[06:12] <coreymon77> im tired
[06:12] <CR-> hoping into xchat. brb
[06:12] <pussfeller> notepad++ is good for win tho
[06:12] <Tm_T> pussfeller: plah
[06:12] <Kortor> TurboPad is a good program for coding in win
[06:12] <coreymon77> bye guys
[06:12] <Tm_T> =)
[06:12] <smouche> in windows, I loved metapad.  Really miss that thing
[06:12] <pussfeller> i tried jedit but that was beyond me
[06:12] <Tm_T> smouche: nano ;p
[06:13] <incubii> i use textpad on windows
[06:13] <incubii> or vi
[06:13] <clayasaurus> andrewski: when i add... Option    "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" under the xorg.conf device section, the x server fails to start, saying it couldn't find the screen
[06:13] <pussfeller> theres a nice gui vim too for win
[06:13] <incubii> depends which one i remember at the time
[06:13] <shannon> Well, I look forward to when this LiveCd downloads
[06:13] <Kortor> smouche: what is metapad? and why do you miss it? is it gone?
[06:13] <incubii> i use Jedit on OS X
[06:13] <smouche> metapad is only for windows, Kortor.
[06:13] <pussfeller> clayasaurus, do you want a copy of a working xfree config for nvidia
[06:14] <Kortor> smouche: ah
[06:14] <Tm_T> umh, how I can edit my KDM sessions??
[06:14] <clayasaurus> pussfeller, yes plz : )
[06:14] <abinadid> and knok incubus how i edit the file
[06:14] <smouche> wish someone would port it; it's not being developed any longer
[06:14] <incubii> you are using vi to edit?
[06:14] <pussfeller> lets see if i can dcc thru this networking mess i have
[06:15] <Tm_T> =)
[06:15] <smouche> kate crashes if I try to use it with sudo.  annoying.  So I only use nano for system file editing.
[06:15] <abinadid> yes just how you told me to
[06:15] <abinadid> vi
[06:16] <incubii> push the letter i for insert mode
[06:16] <Tm_T> smouche: I use only nano ;p
[06:16] <incubii> then go, delte type what you want
[06:16] <incubii> push escape to leave it
[06:16] <incubii> then type
[06:16] <incubii> :wq! to write your changes and quit
[06:16] <abinadid> ok the just paste the repositories from the ubuntu guide???
[06:17] <incubii> yes
[06:17] <incubii> using your mouse
[06:17] <smouche> I'm not a programmer, so a lot of editors are overkill for me; I liked metapad for the one stupid little thing: you could have http:// urls highlighted automatically, and clickable, like with Word or Open Office (I think) but much better.
[06:17] <smouche> metapad is great for organizing bookmarks, etc
[06:19] <Tm_T> muahhahahah
[06:19] <pussfeller> hmm xchat freexes upon trying to dcc a file
[06:19] <Tm_T> You're not gonna believe this
[06:19] <smouche> Kate is cool, though!   there must be some sort of tweaking I can do somewhere to keep it (and konqueror) from krashing...
[06:19] <Tm_T> my FF uses KDE candy <3
[06:20] <andrewski> any way to have kwin 'remember' apps' locations?
[06:20] <incubii> ?
[06:20] <Tm_T> muah, way too nice
[06:21] <Kortor_> hi
[06:21] <Kortor_> stupid windows
[06:21] <Kortor_> I HATE using windows
[06:21] <smouche> why does the window manager need to remember apps' locations?
[06:21] <smouche> andrewski?
[06:21] <andrewski> smouche: because i like to have my apps start up in the same place every time.
[06:22] <smouche> oh i see
[06:22] <smouche> Yeah, you can do that--
[06:22] <smouche> right click on title bar
[06:22] <andrewski> uh-huh...
[06:22] <incubii> save session
[06:22] <smouche> hang on
[06:22] <smouche> click on "advanced"
[06:23] <andrewski> incubii: i do that automatically on logout, but it doesn't save the position.
[06:23] <smouche> and "special window settings"
[06:23] <incubii> rightclickt title->advanced window->position_>remember
[06:23] <Tm_T> incubii: just look: http://xob.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture_FF.png
[06:24] <smouche> andrewski, it's very cool once you figure out the settings and experiment
[06:24] <abinadid> incubii"  "/etc/apt/sources.list" E212: Can't open file for writing        thi is what i got
[06:24] <andrewski> smouche: so under Position, it says 0,491.  is that where it is now?
[06:25] <Tm_T> andrewski: yes
[06:25] <incubii> ooo purty
[06:25] <smouche> andrewski, I think you can click something to analyze what the current settings are for the given window...
[06:25] <Kortor_> Ooo... I found what channel ChanServ is in!
[06:25] <Kortor_> heh
[06:25] <incubii> did you use 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list' ?
[06:25] <smouche> yeah, "detect window properties" in the "window" tab
[06:26] <Tm_T> incubii: all gtk apps follows qt/KDE theme :p
[06:26] <andrewski> smouche: well, i had gotten to that section in control center before, but didn't know if that was it.  they way you sent me, all the properties are already there. :)
[06:26] <abinadid> yes sir
[06:26] <andrewski> Tm_T: even pseudo-gtk ones like ff
[06:26] <Tm_T> andrewski: yes!
[06:26] <incubii> whats your stats script ?
[06:26] <incubii> hmm well its saying you dont have permission to write
[06:26] <Tm_T> andrewski: just look that pic
[06:27] <abinadid> yes 
[06:27] <andrewski> Tm_T: that wasn't a question.
[06:27] <incubii> either that or its already in use
[06:27] <Tm_T> andrewski: ah, I see
[06:27] <smouche> kde does seem to make one run hither and yon to configure stuff -- I always have to go on a tedious hunt just to change the color of my desktop font!
[06:27] <abinadid> shoul i check to see if wrote the changes???
[06:28] <incubii> go for it
[06:28] <Tm_T> But now I start conf my FluxBox =)
[06:28] <incubii> if it hasnt make sure you used sudo and nothing else has it open
[06:28] <Tm_T> so see ya ->
[06:28] <abinadid> i use sudo
[06:28] <abinadid> and i type my password
[06:29] <pussfeller> dang it, no wonder that things slow, aptget overwrote my XFConfig
[06:32] <abinadid> how i get permission to write on /etc folder
[06:33] <membreya> abinadid: use sudo ? :P
[06:33] <abinadid> yes
[06:34] <incubii> are you just enabling the other repositories ?
[06:34] <abinadid> i'm tryng to add more
[06:34] <abinadid> you know the ones from the guide
[06:34] <incubii> never read it
[06:34] <incubii> lol
[06:35] <abinadid> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:36] <abinadid> check it out everithyng worked on ubuntu but last night i change to kubuntu and i can't  even change the repositories
[06:37] <incubii> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[06:37] <incubii>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[06:37] <incubii>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[06:37] <abinadid> that guide is good for newbies like me
[06:37] <incubii> you want to add those?
[06:37] <abinadid> there is other multiverse
[06:37] <kakalto> is there a package to make kde automagically mount my usb drive?
[06:38] <abinadid> whatever you think is the best you the extpert
[06:39] <incubii> sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:39] <incubii> try that
[06:41] <andrewski> are there 'rocker gestures' available for konqueror?
[06:41] <smouche> andrewski, I think so...
[06:42] <smouche> check Control Center, in the accessibility section, I think
[06:43] <abinadid> kedit command does not exist is what i got
[06:44] <andrewski> so after an afternoon of configuring kde (and i am slightly sorry it takes that long), i think i'll use it another day.  coming from xfce, it's a bit heavier than i'm used to (and reminds me of past days with windows), but it performs quite well and has a full-featured desktop with many options that remind me of GTK programs i'm comfortable with. :)
[06:44] <smouche> would anyone know how I might get the special application buttons working on my laptop, like volume controls, etc?  I mean the extra buttons, not on the keyboard
[06:46] <smouche> andrewski, I understand your weariness!  I felt the same way ;-)
[06:46] <andrewski> smouche: and i didn't find any rocker gestures.  i'll hit the web.
[06:46] <kakalto> anyone?
[06:46] <andrewski> kakalto: hotplug?
[06:46] <kakalto> it didn't mount when I put it in
[06:47] <andrewski> kakalto: are you running hotplug?
[06:47] <kakalto> uhh
[06:47] <smouche> abinadid, substitute the name of whatever text editor you have for "kedit" in incubii's instructions...
[06:47] <andrewski> kakalto: and does it work when you mount it manually?
[06:47] <kakalto> I haven't tried yet
[06:47] <incubii> kedit ?
[06:47] <kakalto> does it matter which port it's in?
[06:47] <incubii> you have to install that
[06:47] <incubii> :P
[06:47] <abinadid> let me see
[06:47] <smouche> incubii, you told him to "sudo kedit" !
[06:48] <andrewski> kakalto: dunno.  you need to be running hotplug and it has to work when you mount it manually.
[06:48] <incubii> oops
[06:48] <incubii> i meant to say kwrite
[06:48] <incubii> :D
[06:48] <kakalto> how do I find out where my usb thing is?
[06:48] <kakalto> which device it is?
[06:48] <smouche> sudo "whatever the hell works" 
[06:48] <abinadid> you are right i don't think i have it install
[06:48] <loren> im not sure, i know tons of people have had those kinds of problems
[06:48] <loren> XD
[06:48] <loren> nice
[06:49] <smouche> abinadid, try "sudo nano"
[06:49] <abinadid> ok 
[06:49] <smouche> loren, what is XD?  I keep seeing that on here...
[06:49] <andrewski> smouche: X-D
[06:50] <andrewski> a smiley :)
[06:50] <andrewski> :) == happy
[06:50] <andrewski> XD == I've had way too much sugar!
[06:50] <abinadid> i got it thank you guys 
[06:50] <abinadid> you guys kick ass
[06:50] <smouche> god you geeks even have smileys that require translation ;-)
[06:51] <crimsun> "you geeks"?
[06:51] <crimsun> you're the one commenting on it on irc :P
[06:51] <smouche> then what's XP, "nah nah nah nah!"
[06:51] <smouche> ?
[06:51] <andrewski> smouche: yeah, please.  i've just picked up on that from seeing people use it.
[06:51] <ithiel> hi guys
[06:52] <incubii> we try abinadid 
[06:52] <incubii> lol
[06:52] <smouche> ouch, sorry, please translate "you geeks" as all you folks who know 8000 times more than me about computers - !
[06:52] <ithiel> smouche, you aren't the flattering type of person are you?
[06:52] <smouche> how about, "techies" ?, "computer literates"? 
[06:53] <ithiel> techie works with me
[06:53] <andrewski> hey, come on.  smouche meant no ill.
[06:53] <smouche> ithiel, I was trying to be complementary, believe it or not!
[06:53] <ithiel>  ;)
[06:54] <ithiel> lol
[06:54] <incubii> id rather be called sex machine
[06:54] <incubii> :P
[06:55] <smouche> isn't "incubii" plural?  you sex machines, you
[06:56] <incubii> lol shhh ;)
[06:58] <bettse> does anyone know the name of the package that has a mouseover popup under kunbuntu showing the name and use of programs from the taskbar?  screenshot example: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=35
[06:58] <ubuntu> hi all
[06:58] <ithiel> hi
[06:58] <__lEo__> Hi Ithiel
[06:59] <__lEo__>  am testing kubuntu live
[06:59] <andrewski> bettse: AFAIK, that's just part of kicker.
[06:59] <__lEo__> really, really cool
[07:00] <kakalto> how do I mount a usb drive?
[07:00] <smouche> bettse, I think that's "enable mouseover effects"
[07:00] <kakalto> I don't know where it is
[07:00] <__lEo__> I am a long time mandrake user (ex redhat, ex ex slackware)
[07:00] <smouche> you can access that in the panel configuration screens
[07:01] <__lEo__> I'll probably switch to kubuntu, mandrake is still stake with kde 3.2 ... and next release will use 3.3 :-(
[07:01] <smouche> "enable icon mouseover effects" in the appearance tab
[07:01] <smouche> bettse, I hated that effect after a  while, so I turned it off.
[07:02] <__lEo__> stuck I meant so say, it's pretty late over here
[07:02] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:02] <andrewski> kakalto: man mount
[07:03] <kakalto> andrewski, I doubt that tells me where my usb drive is eg. /dev/blahblah
[07:03] <andrewski> kakalto: yes, but i don't know where it is. :P
[07:03] <kakalto> how do I find out?
[07:04] <bettse> smouche, do you know if its a 3.4 new feature?
[07:04] <andrewski> kakalto: look through /dev ?
[07:04] <smouche> bettse, I think so.
[07:04] <kakalto> I highly doubt I will just spot it in the middle of 700+ devices
[07:04] <smouche> it's a pretty effect, but distracting after a while.
[07:04] <smouche> did you find it, bettse?  
[07:07] <cooler> howhow! i just installed kubuntu!
[07:08] <__lEo__> allright, gotta go, this is lovely, cheers!
[07:08] <andrewski> smouche: were you asking about multimedia keys?
[07:08] <smouche> yes, andrewski, for an hp laptop...
[07:08] <andrewski> smouche: did you see kmilo?
[07:09] <smouche> no, I haven't -- 
[07:09] <kakalto> grr
[07:09] <kakalto> !1
[07:10] <smouche> oh, kmilo is installed -- how do I check that?  "kmilo" in console didn't work...
[07:10] <andrewski> smouche: dunno, just found it myself. :)
[07:11] <smouche> hmmm, seems mainly for thinkpads and vaios, and a few others...
[07:12] <smouche> I'm thinking there's a file somewhere where I can add hardware controls; I have a vague memory of tweaking my touchpad somewhere...
[07:13] <smouche> it amazes me that kde doesn't seem to have a global key binding option for mute and volume control, or does it?
[07:13] <andrewski> smouche: i think the issue is X, but i'm not sure.
[07:13] <loren> whis is the normal volue control for KDE?
[07:13] <smouche> maybe in xorg.conf
[07:13] <ithiel> KMix
[07:13] <ithiel> its in multimedia
[07:14] <ithiel> you can execute it from console as well
[07:14] <ithiel> alsamixer is a little more specific
[07:14] <ithiel> alsamixer is CLI only
[07:14] <ithiel> want some more volume controls?
[07:14] <ithiel>  :P
[07:14] <smouche> ithiel, that's not what I'm looking for, but thank you.
[07:14] <smouche> kmix I know about.
[07:15] <kakalto> why does kubuntu not automatically mount my usb flash drive?
[07:15] <andrewski> smouche: i think that was in response to loren's question. :)
[07:15] <andrewski> kakalto: hotplug!
[07:15] <smouche> oops, sorry ithiel, you were replying to someone else...
[07:15] <smouche> my bad
[07:15] <kakalto> andrewski, how do I make it run automatically?
[07:16] <kapbuntu> kubuntu is very nice
[07:16] <kapbuntu> im on the live cd now :)
[07:16] <andrewski> kakalto: dunno, but there are probably more people that could help you in #ubuntu.  if there's a file called hotplug in /etc/init.d, then you could use update-rc.d to set it to start on boot.
[07:17] <smouche> yeah, ithiel, loren.  kmix is handy when it's in the tray too as a quick main volume slider or mute button; I use a mixer in my bottom panel
[07:18] <kapbuntu> I wonder though, is lipstik really preferable to plastik?
[07:18] <andrewski> kapbuntu: i just switched about 10 minutes ago.  i like it.
[07:18] <kapbuntu> to lipstik or to plastik?
[07:19] <andrewski> kapbuntu: from plastik to lipstik.
[07:19] <kapbuntu> ah
[07:19] <kapbuntu> my next install will be kubuntu probably
[07:20] <kapbuntu> but hopefully that won't be for a while
[07:20] <kapbuntu> my debian system is setup pretty nice, I dunno if I want to change just for x org and a bit of consistency
[07:20] <kapbuntu> its really very nice, and the livecd seems amazingly fast
[07:21] <andrewski> kapbuntu: maybe you could upgrade nicely, since ubuntu is debian-based?
[07:21] <kapbuntu> from what I've heard its not such a good idea
[07:21] <kapbuntu> horror stores abound
[07:21] <andrewski> ah, ok.
[07:21] <kapbuntu> stories
[07:22] <smouche> can anyone recommend a good but reasonably cheap tv tuner card that they know works with linux?  since I imagine my ati all in wonder card will never be supported...
[07:22] <smouche> and my desktop pc is my only tv!
[07:24] <smouche> yeah, you're right kapbuntu, I borked myself good just by upgrading from warty to hoary when I had a lot of backported stuff on warty.  Spectacular mess resulted.
[07:24] <kapbuntu> smouche: the happague is always a good choice
[07:25] <smouche> i imagine installing kubuntu-desktop on top of a lot of debian stuff might be tricky, but I don't know...
[07:25] <kapbuntu> although the models with hardware mpeg encoding are not cheap
[07:25] <smouche> thanks, kapbuntu!
[07:25] <kapbuntu> smouche: I know they are well supported, but I don't use one myself, so make sure you do some reasearch
[07:26] <kapbuntu> the wintv pvr are cheap but no hardware encoding, but for watchin tv I think they are fine and supported by most linux tv apps
[07:26] <smouche> I will, kapbuntu.  My main consideration is, would an external tuner, usb2 be an option... then I could move the thing from desktop to laptop...
[07:28] <kapbuntu> smouche: this thing? http://www.hauppauge.com/html/usb_data.htm
[07:28] <andrewski> heh, you have to install libgtk-1.2 to install (super)karamba.  stupid piece of crap xmms.
[07:28] <smouche> thanks dude!
[07:29] <kapbuntu> smouche: but I dunno about linux support
[07:29] <kapbuntu> there is a page for an experimental 2.4 kernel driver but I don't see 2.6 anywhere
[07:30] <smouche> excellent pages there, kapbuntu -- thanks!  I'll google around
[07:30] <abinadid> wich is better kaffeine or m player
[07:31] <smouche> I think I should be able to find something easily; it seems mainly ati that's a bastard for incompatibility...
[07:31] <kapbuntu> abinadid: imho kaffeine
[07:31] <kapbuntu> smouche: ati basically sucks under linux
[07:31] <kapbuntu> I only buy nvidia cards
[07:32] <kapbuntu> dunno about their tv tuners though
[07:32] <smouche> I have nvidia on my laptop... nice if it had a tuner!
[07:32] <abinadid> thanks i don't want to have two or tree different media players doing the same thing
[07:33] <Bicchi> how can install the gcc.
[07:33] <smouche> abinadid, I've got about a dozen media players, 'cause none of them manage to do everything I want! (yet)
[07:33] <abinadid> what about xine
[07:33] <kapbuntu> abinadid: mplayer is good for some of the other tools that come with it, specifically mencoder which is something you don't get with the xine engine
[07:33] <kapbuntu> smouche: what do you want?
[07:34] <abinadid> shoul i get all of them??
[07:34] <kapbuntu> I find for playback amarok + kaffeine does what I want
[07:34] <smouche> xine is typically what kaffeine and totem and other players run on top of, abinadid; and you can get xine-ui as a really nice gui for xine
[07:34] <abinadid> talking a bout amarok how do you enable the equalizer
[07:35] <kapbuntu> abinadid: you'll want to build mplayer yourself, it can take advantage of SIMD instructions, and you build xvmc for accelerated mpeg decoding if you have an nvidia or certain via graphics chips
[07:35] <andrewski> smouche: isn't kaffeine a gui for xine?  xine-ui is ugly IMO
[07:35] <kapbuntu> yes
[07:35] <abinadid> i have an ati all in wonder
[07:35] <kapbuntu> kaffeine uses xine engine for playback
[07:35] <smouche> too much to go into kapbuntu; but some players handle streamtuner better than others, kaffeine loads videos off my lan much much faster than other players, xmms doesn't seem to have all the plug-ins it needs,
[07:36] <smouche> blah blah  blah
[07:36] <kapbuntu> its not a gui per-se, it does other things like has its own playlist handling and its own osd and such I believe
[07:36] <smouche> I need to weed out this stuff and settle on just a couple things I like
[07:36] <kapbuntu> xmms sucks compared with amarok
[07:36] <kapbuntu> amaroK handles streams very well
[07:36] <smouche> zinf or beep for audio, xine-ui for video, maybe kaffeine cause it's quick and useful for previews...
[07:37] <kapbuntu> why not use kaffeine over xine-ui
[07:37] <kapbuntu> its supperior in my opinion
[07:37] <smouche> andrewski, you can get nicer skins for xine-ui
[07:38] <Bicchi> where is synaptic, how do i use it. i am new here
[07:38] <andrewski> smouche: even still, i like the standard widgets of the DE. :)
[07:38] <andrewski> Bicchi: you in kde?
[07:38] <Bicchi> yes
[07:38] <andrewski> Bicchi: system -> synaptic
[07:38] <smouche> lol andrewski
[07:39] <Bicchi> andrewski: i only have kynaptic. is it the same
[07:39] <ice_1963> knaptik  lol
[07:39] <andrewski> Bicchi: synaptic is much more functional, but uses GTK.  use synaptic for now.
[07:39] <smouche> Bicchi, kynaptic is only good for one thing:  downloading synaptic or kpackage!
[07:39] <Bicchi> i do not have synaptic installed
[07:40] <Tm_T> hi
[07:40] <smouche> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> hey
[07:41] <Tm_T> hullo
[07:41] <Bicchi> smouche: now i do :) thanks
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> I installed kubuntu like this apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <Tm_T> uh
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> and then when i try to login with gnome it won't load
[07:41] <Tm_T> uh?
[07:42] <Tm_T> uh uh!
[07:42] <Tm_T> maybe I really should sleep
[07:42] <thechitowncubs> what?
[07:42] <Tm_T> nah
[07:42] <kapbuntu> cool
[07:42] <kapbuntu> just remote desktoped in from my debian box
[07:43] <Tm_T> hm
[07:43] <Tm_T> I'm pissed off
[07:43] <thechitowncubs> anyone know what happened?
[07:43] <andrewski> thechitowncubs: is it available in Sessions?
[07:44] <smouche> Bicchi, no problem.  I like synaptic a lot, just for reading the info on the packages; I'm not an apt-get wizard yet like most of the folks on here!
[07:44] <thechitowncubs> yes
[07:44] <smouche> kynaptic seems really pointless to me.
[07:44] <andrewski> smouche: eventually, it'd be nice to use in KDE so that you don't need to run GTK
[07:45] <thechitowncubs> andrewski: yes
[07:45] <smouche> well yeah, but what's wrong with having gtk?  there are other gtk apps I like too...
[07:45] <kapbuntu> synaptic is good for that
[07:46] <ice_1963> you can run synaptic in kde ?????
[07:46] <kapbuntu> er
[07:46] <kapbuntu> I mean aptitude is good
[07:46] <kapbuntu> for viewing package descriptions
[07:46] <smouche> I like kpackage!
[07:46] <kapbuntu> if you aren't afraid of curses
[07:47] <thechitowncubs> here is the symptoms: when i try to login w/ gnome, it seems to work, but my background doesn't show and the panels remain white
[07:47] <thechitowncubs> with nothing on them
[07:47] <andrewski> smouche: yes, but not everyone.  plus, if that's the first gtk app you run, it takes longer to load the other libs.
[07:48] <smouche> I'm sure you're right, andrewski; I'm a total ignoramus on the points of divergence between these systems
[07:48] <thechitowncubs> Is anyone capable of helping me
[07:49] <andrewski> smouche: i'm kind of a nitpick. :P
[07:49] <andrewski> thechitowncubs: did you enable the gtk-qt engine?
[07:50] <thechitowncubs> I
[07:50] <thechitowncubs> I don't think so
[07:50] <smouche> I have noticed, andrewski, that the terminal output in synaptic is always complaining about not finding gnome this or gnome that! and "falling back" on something else... I don't care, as long as I get my packages!
[07:51] <thechitowncubs> How would I go about doing that
[07:51] <smouche> thechitowncubs, you might have more luck in #ubuntu, or hang here for a while, someone might log in anytime who can help you with that
[07:51] <thechitowncubs> i tried #ubuntu
[07:53] <Tm_T> thechitowncubs: did you tried apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[07:53] <andrewski> how do i move applets around kicker?
[07:54] <smouche> kapbuntu, it looks like hauppauge supports RedHat and Suse, anyway...
[07:55] <smouche> so in principle I should be able to find one of their cards that'll work for me... cool
[07:55] <andrewski> how do i move applets around kicker?
[07:55] <Tm_T> andrewski: right-click next of applet ;)
[07:56] <smouche> andrewski, most of them you can just drag, some of them you have to -- yeah, what Tm_T said...
[07:56] <andrewski> hmm, i'll have to turn on the little handle. :)
[07:56] <Tm_T> yes
[07:56] <Tm_T> hah, this just looks grazy
[07:57] <andrewski> ok, thanks.  goodnight!
[07:57] <Tm_T> It's morning!
[07:57] <kapbuntu> cool, got composite extension running
[07:57] <kapbuntu> does the nv driver support RenderAccel or only the nvidia driver?
[07:58] <smouche> kapbuntu, I haven't upgraded my -- whoa, what happened?  mass "quit" ? that was weird...
[07:59] <kapbuntu> smouche: its called a netsplit
[07:59] <kapbuntu> your new to irc huh?
[07:59] <kapbuntu> freenode is made up of a group of servers, thats what happens when one server loses its connection to the pool
[08:00] <smouche> ah...
[08:01] <kapbuntu> and now they are back :)
[08:01] <smouche> jesus, it's 2:00 am here-- hah hah, !
[08:01] <kapbuntu> hehe
[08:01] <smouche> welcome back, ya'll
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> where do you change the sound system kde uses
[08:04] <kapbuntu> anyone running breezybadger already?
[08:04] <Tm_T_> wtf
[08:04] <Tm_T_> thechitowncubs: Control Centre
[08:04] <smouche> dont' tempt me kapbuntu ;-)
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> Where in the Control Centre?
[08:04] <Tm_T_> badgerbadger ] ;=
[08:04] <kapbuntu> thechitowncubs: Control Center -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> i don't see any option to change it
[08:05] <Tm_T_> :o
[08:05] <kapbuntu> I usually just turn off arts
[08:05] <kapbuntu> thechitowncubs: try killall artsd, that should do it
[08:05] <thechitowncubs> I am trying to change it so it uses ESD
[08:05] <kapbuntu> oh
[08:05] <kapbuntu> its on the second tab
[08:05] <kapbuntu> its called Hardware I think
[08:05] <kapbuntu> where it says select audio device
[08:06] <kapbuntu> there is a dropdown and you can select esd fromt here
[08:06] <thechitowncubs> got it
[08:06] <thechitowncubs> thanks
[08:06] <thechitowncubs> im trying to get Skype to work in gnome
[08:06] <kapbuntu> you're welcome
[08:06] <kapbuntu> heh
[08:06] <smouche> one thing I'm grateful for, sound on my laptop just works! no tweaking required.  amazing; before linux was always a bastard to configure sound
[08:06] <kapbuntu> thats trouble, full-duplex has been a problem with my board
[08:06] <kapbuntu> smouche: what kind of laptop?
[08:06] <kapbuntu> er what model I mean
[08:07] <smouche> hp pavilion, amd64, nvidia sound card
[08:07] <kapbuntu> uses intel8x0 right?
[08:07] <kapbuntu> for sound I mean
[08:07] <smouche> don't know, kapbuntu
[08:07] <kapbuntu> hmm
[08:07] <kapbuntu> lsmod?
[08:08] <smouche> I only used soundblaster cards before
[08:08] <kapbuntu> lsmod | grep snd
[08:08] <kapbuntu> smouche: you know how to use the konsole?
[08:08] <smouche> yeah, hang on!
[08:08] <smouche> snd_intel8x0   -- ep
[08:09] <smouche> yep
[08:09] <kapbuntu> yeah my main machine has an intel8x0 soundcard
[08:09] <kapbuntu> this one has an old emu10k card
[08:09] <kapbuntu> er emu10k1 rather
[08:10] <kaplanfx> this machine is much faster than my test machine though
[08:10] <smouche> what is ac97, btw?  I've got it, apparently, but enabling volume for it in kmix doesn't seem to change anything
[08:10] <kaplanfx> even though the sound card is onboard POS
[08:10] <kaplanfx> smouche: its an audio codec
[08:11] <kaplanfx> for standards compliant audio
[08:11] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone use skype?
[08:11] <kaplanfx> I don't know in detail
[08:11] <kaplanfx> thechitowncubs: I have it installed but I don't have a mic
[08:11] <thechitowncubs> Ahh
[08:11] <smouche> ah, yeah, I think some xvid or divx or ogm or whatever video files use that ...?
[08:11] <kaplanfx> are you trying to test?
[08:12] <smouche> no, kaplanfx, just wondering what all the info in lsmod | grep snd meant...
[08:12] <thechitowncubs> Because i want to use it with gnome, but i can't seem to get it to work correctly
[08:12] <thechitowncubs> here is what i can do: if i do sudo killall -9 esd
[08:12] <thechitowncubs> then run skype
[08:12] <kaplanfx> smouche: nope, its a hardware codec, soundcards use it to be standards compliant, and it can also be programmed onto a chipset so you don't need a special board for sound
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> it works, but it has extremely bad echo for the person i am talking to and no other sounds work while talking to him
[08:13] <kaplanfx> smouche: its basically soft-audio
[08:13] <kaplanfx> its uses cpu or chipset time, instead of having an audio processor
[08:13] <smouche> thanks for the info, kaplanfx -- that was going to be my next question -- why would a codec appear in a hardware profile! ;-)
[08:13] <kaplanfx> smouche: and when I said trying to test I mean thechitowncubs 
[08:14] <smouche> heh heh, sorry
[08:14] <kaplanfx> thechitowncubs: skype uses oss I believe, it needs /dev/dsp all to itself
[08:14] <kaplanfx> so other things that use the audio output (i.e. esd) take control and won't let skype use it
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> kap: it works perfectly under KDE
[08:15] <kaplanfx> thechitowncubs: hmm
[08:15] <bur[n] er> I have Ubuntu right now, but would like to try Kubuntu.  Could it be as simple as 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' and then relogging into KDE from gdm?
[08:15] <kaplanfx> must work with arts as well or something
[08:16] <kaplanfx> bur[n] er: you need kubuntu-settings or something too
[08:16] <bur[n] er> the default-settings... i saw that too, thanks kaplanfx 
[08:16] <kapbuntu> peas
[08:16] <thechitowncubs> hmmm
[08:16] <bur[n] er> nothing deeper is different in kubuntu than ubuntu right?
[08:16] <thechitowncubs> =(
[08:16] <thechitowncubs> i'm sad
[08:17] <kaplanfx> bur[n] er: you may end up with kdm instead of gdm
[08:17] <kaplanfx> I've never done it myself, so I don't know if it asks
[08:17] <kaplanfx> it may also mess with your gtk theme
[08:18] <kaplanfx> I think it installs and sets up the qt-gtk theme from freedesktop
[08:18] <bur[n] er> hrm... worth exploring though :)
[08:18] <bur[n] er> thanks kaplanfx 
[08:18] <kaplanfx> no prob
[08:18] <bur[n] er> qt-gtk used to break my gnome in debian
[08:18] <bur[n] er> we'll see if it's fixed here :)
[08:18] <kaplanfx> there is some info on the wiki somewhere, and I think on kubuntu.org in the documentation section
[08:20] <bur[n] er> kaplanfx: thanks for the feedback
[08:20] <kaplanfx> bur[n] er: no prob
[08:31] <smouche> this is strange, linux gazette is available via apt-get?  it came up in a search for something else in synaptic--
[08:31] <Tm_T> heh
[08:31] <Tm_T> smouche: you didn't knew?
[08:31] <smouche> it wants to install a bunch of perl stuff along with it... 
[08:31] <Tm_T> so? ;)
[08:32] <smouche> worthwhile to download?  isn't that available on the web?
[08:32] <Tm_T> =)
[08:32] <Tm_T> who said you _should_ download it
[08:33] <smouche> that's what I'm asking, dude
[08:33] <smouche> just wondering why it needs all that perl stuff; what, does it have it's own reader application or something?
[08:36] <smouche> cool; I had no idea-- checking it out in kpackage; surprised I didn't have those protocols installed already...
[08:36] <smouche> looks more fun to read than man pages anyway ;-
[08:37] <Tm_T> =)
[08:37] <Tm_T> smouche: man man ;p
[08:38] <martinjh99> Hey guys!
[08:39] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:39] <martinjh99> A question - How would I go about installing Kubuntu without the Kubuntu default tweaks?  I don't like the way Konq opens up folders in new tabs instead of a new window.
[08:40] <martinjh99> It seems to also ignore the setting for opening up in a new window too.
[08:41] <smouche> dammit, hell, I thought I liked kpackage; it was fine for info, but it won't let me install without asking for a "root password" and it's not accepting my usual password.  Back to apt-get install...
[08:41] <ataxic> smouche: i had the same issues
[08:41] <ataxic> you'll need to use your user passwd
[08:42] <martinjh99> SMouche> try synaptic.. Works under KDE too you know!
[08:42] <ataxic> kynaptic looks better with the rest
[08:42] <ataxic> and does the same thing for me
[08:42] <martinjh99> Also you can install gtk2-engines-qt-gtk to make Gnome apps look more like the rest of KDE...
[08:43] <ataxic> indeed
[08:43] <smouche> yeah, I know, thanks martinjh99, I use synaptic.  I like the way kpackage presents the info on dependecies etc.
[08:45] <smouche> kynaptic is next to useless for me.  anyway, I'm getting used to the command line ...
[08:46] <ataxic> weird i dont miss anything compared to synaptic
[08:46] <ataxic> in my world
[08:46] <smouche> ataxic, it's weird, buy kpackage wouldn't accept my user password, nothing...
[08:46] <smouche> heh, let me try something...
[08:46] <ataxic> try it with synaptic, or does that work for you?
[08:46] <ataxic> just to test the password issue
[08:47] <ataxic> anyway, gtg, i have to go to work
[08:47] <ataxic> doing some overtime 
[08:48] <smouche> I got it!  ataxic -- if I open kpackage with "sudo kpackage" I can avoid that error.
[08:48] <ataxic> cool
[08:48] <ataxic> i thought you were already doing that
[08:48] <martinjh99> Anyone got an answer for installing Kubuntu without the Kubuntu settings?  
[08:48] <ataxic> laters, i'm off
[08:48] <smouche> synaptic I have no problem with, nor with installing with apt-get on the cli, it's just convenient to browse info in kpackage, and be able to install from there if I feel inclined.
[09:19] <incubii> w0rd nugg3t
[09:21] <incubii> hmm it appears the SMP kernel does not allow the additional keys to work on my mac keyboard
[09:21] <Tm_T> oh, kernel?
[09:23] <incubii> yes
[09:23] <incubii> it works on uni processor
[09:23] <incubii> but nopt in smp
[09:23] <incubii> but it could be something else that is preventing it
[09:23] <incubii> im trying to figure that out
[09:39] <loren> i've gotta go to sleep, cya all later
[09:39] <TestDummy> Anybody up that could answer a question? (I know it's late, at least it is here) 
[09:40] <shogouki> maybe (i've answered a question)
[09:40] <incubii> whats the question
[09:41] <TestDummy> ha..
[09:41] <TestDummy> Okay, well.
[09:41] <ztonzy> morning all :)
[09:41] <TestDummy> I screwed up. I went to download Kubuntu, and got the download started, left the room, came back about 20 minutes later, noticed I was downloading the the LiveCD version and not the install one.
[09:41] <TestDummy> But...
[09:41] <incubii> thats debatable ztonzy 
[09:41] <incubii> :P
[09:42] <TestDummy> I was intending to download the installer one, so my question is..
[09:42] <shogouki> 10am in my beautyfull country :)
[09:42] <TestDummy> Can I still install it with the LiveCD version?
[09:42] <ztonzy> incubii, I know, but here it is (sweden)
[09:42] <incubii> i honestly dont know TestDummy , the general consensus is no you cant install from the livecd
[09:42] <TestDummy> =(
[09:42] <TestDummy> Bummer.
[09:42] <incubii> although it would be a nice feature they should consider
[09:42] <incubii> infact
[09:43] <ztonzy> yah
[09:43] <incubii> i could modify my knoppix installer scripts
[09:43] <ztonzy> a button in the menus ;) ?
[09:43] <incubii> lol when knoppix first started off Fabian and i were coding installers for knoppix
[09:43] <incubii> could just mod the knoppix one
[09:43] <incubii> its very good
[09:44] <TestDummy> And that would work?
[09:44] <incubii> well iom not saying you should do it
[09:44] <incubii> im just saying its not hard to do
[09:44] <incubii> lol
[09:44] <shogouki> it would reduce the number of cd sent :)
[09:45] <incubii> it would mean id need lots of help setting up qemu
[09:45] <incubii> :D
[09:45] <TestDummy> ?
[09:45] <shogouki> :)
[09:45] <incubii> TestDummy, you will have to get the installer cd
[09:45] <TestDummy> Hmm..
[09:46] <TestDummy> I don't know if I really have the bandwidth left to do that..
[09:46] <shogouki> ~600mo is nothing
[09:46] <shogouki> ho
[09:46] <TestDummy> Hah.
[09:47] <incubii> it is on 28.8kb dialup
[09:47] <incubii> ;)
[09:47] <TestDummy> I'm on cable
[09:47] <incubii> im on the above
[09:47] <incubii> :D
[09:47] <shogouki> you have quotas ?
[09:47] <jibrael> dialup?
[09:47] <TestDummy> I think so..
[09:47] <jibrael> damn
[09:47] <jibrael> :/
[09:47] <TestDummy> Well
[09:47] <TestDummy> They say I do
[09:47] <incubii> i still download ISOs on dialup
[09:47] <incubii> ;)
[09:47] <TestDummy> But I've gone over them
[09:47] <TestDummy> And they haven't done much
[09:48] <jibrael> why incubii why?
[09:48] <TestDummy> So theoretically, yes. But I guess no in a way
[09:48] <incubii> i cant afford the installation of ADSL
[09:48] <jibrael> imo dialup should be illegal and adsl should be free, basic human rights and all u know?
[09:49] <shogouki> or dialup could be a sort a justice sanction
[09:49] <ztonzy> yay
[09:49] <TestDummy> My old dial-up provider sucked >_<
[09:50] <ztonzy> downloading the ISO is good speed again since release ;)
[09:50] <jibrael> i mean even here in south africa most sane ppl have dsl
[09:50] <jibrael> and its expensive and kinda shitty, with a 3gig cap...
[09:50] <jibrael> but they only cap international once u hit it so I just vpn into work and use works dedicated line
[09:51] <shogouki> i wonder how many countrys are represented in this chan
[09:51] <jibrael> prolly alot
[09:51] <jibrael> definitely alot in ubuntu chan
[09:52] <jibrael> cos i mean its a great os
[09:52] <dimmak> anybody in here use kontact? i decided to play around with it and am already annoyed by an apparent default resource error that duplicates everything... anybody get the same thing when they use it?
[09:52] <jibrael> its actually half pulled me from gentoo
[09:52] <jibrael> all i can say is
[09:52] <jibrael> gam 1.1.4 for the win
[09:52] <jibrael> *gaim
[09:52] <shogouki> i switched from mandrake/mandriva two days ago
[09:52] <shogouki> kubuntu is evil :)
[09:52] <ztonzy> shogouki, hehe feel the power :P ?
[09:53] <jibrael> heh
[09:53] <dimmak> i am using the autopackage for gaim
[09:54] <dimmak> so i am at 1.2.1 with no problems
[09:54] <shogouki> i think (k)ubuntu lacks a general control center like yast or drakconf
[09:54] <jibrael> well i left kubuntu downloading at work on friday
[09:54] <jibrael> thats why it rocks shogouki 
[09:54] <jibrael> hehe
[09:54] <jibrael> suse = lets open yast to change the time
[09:54] <jibrael> then rebuild all ur config files after u changed the time
[09:55] <jibrael> bit of an overkill for a gui'fied date command?
[09:55] <jibrael> any apt
[09:55] <jibrael> is ur central control
[09:55] <dimmak> i have problems with time... it likes being utc
[09:55] <jibrael> its all u need
[09:56] <ztonzy> fast download here for the iso --> 700 kB7s :)
[09:56] <jibrael> blah ztonzy 
[09:56] <ztonzy> too bad my connection is way faster...but it never reaches the top
[09:56] <ztonzy> kB/s
[09:56] <ztonzy> sorry
[09:56] <jibrael> so yeah i'll look at the kde'fied ubuntu at work next week
[09:56] <shogouki> donwload via the torrent
[09:57] <ztonzy> shogouki, hm would it be faster ?  hmm 700 kB/s is pretty ok for me
[09:57] <jibrael> but i never been a kde fan so :/
[09:57] <jibrael> but maybe thats cos i only used it on rpm distros where everything sucks anyway
[09:57] <ztonzy> 355 MB since couple of minutes :)
[09:57] <ztonzy> or 365
[09:57] <shogouki> ztonzy: i dont know but torrent is the best way to spread the iso :)
[09:57] <ztonzy> shogouki, true
[09:59] <jibrael> all i can say is thank some higher being for ubuntu, i dunno why this all didn't happen years ago?
[09:59] <jibrael> but i do know why commerical distos don't use deb packages
[10:00] <jibrael> cos they don't have a packaging community
[10:01] <jibrael> and my work insists on using suse whereever possible :/
[10:02] <shogouki> thats not so bad
[10:03] <jibrael> i guess?
[10:03] <dimmak> better than insisting on windows
[10:03] <jibrael> hah
[10:03] <dimmak> or handfuls of poop
[10:03] <jibrael> they like debian but we can't use it
[10:05] <ztonzy> aaah
[10:05] <jibrael> cos of oracle
[10:05] <ztonzy> iso finished downloaded
[10:05] <jibrael> :/
[10:05] <incubii> ugh oracle
[10:05] <jibrael> i know
[10:05] <jibrael> heh
[10:05] <jibrael> well its oracle or db2
[10:06] <jibrael> so like
[10:06] <jibrael> worse or hell no worse
[10:06] <jibrael> i am just like
[10:06] <jibrael> "why don't we use postgres?"
[10:07] <jibrael> heh
[10:07] <incubii> we are switching from MySQL to Oracle
[10:07] <incubii> :|
[10:07] <jibrael> unfortunately oracle has accountability
[10:07] <jibrael> summin opensource db's lack
[10:07] <jibrael> at worst u can just sue oracle
[10:09] <jibrael> tho i would run anything on postgres
[10:09] <jibrael> i mean google is just highly modified postgres at the core of it
[10:10] <incubii> yeah i suggested postgres and they just looked at me weird
[10:10] <incubii> :)
[10:10] <jibrael> lol
[10:10] <jibrael> didn't know what it was?
[10:10] <incubii> yep
[10:11] <incubii> gonn apay though the nose to use oracle
[10:11] <jibrael> postgres needs some serious awareness
[10:11] <jibrael> i mean its prolly better than oracle
[10:11] <jibrael> u can write function is almost any language
[10:11] <jibrael> *functions
[10:11] <_manuel> Join #ubuntu-es
[10:11] <jibrael> its got kickass replication
[10:12] <incubii> what is #ubuntu-es ?
[10:12] <jibrael> its damn fast
[10:12] <jibrael> and its easy to setup
[10:12] <jibrael> while we're at it its secure aswell
[10:12] <shogouki> think its ubuntu for spanish
[10:12] <jibrael> and NO one knows about it :/
[10:12] <_manuel> channel from spanish users
[10:12] <jibrael> thanks _manuel but i don't speak spanish hehe
[10:13] <_manuel> How play mp3?
[10:13] <_manuel> with amarok
[10:13] <jibrael> apt-get install xmms
[10:13] <jibrael> :)
[10:13] <ztonzy> _manuel, from? you mean for ?
[10:14] <incubii> sudo apt-get install amarok-engines
[10:14] <jibrael> or that :P
[10:14] <incubii> its your best choice
[10:15] <_manuel> and usu gstreamer
[10:15] <_manuel> and use gstreamer
[10:22] <Tm_T> heh
[10:22] <Tm_T> my tweaks made gtk unstable :p
[10:23] <Tm_T> gaim crashes quite easily
[10:27] <eckhart> hi
[10:27] <Tm_T> hullo
[10:27] <eckhart> i have a problem with a kubuntu installation (not mine)
[10:28] <eckhart> it does not detect any portable devices
[10:28] <eckhart> (usb sticks, camera in mass storage mode, card reader etc.)
[10:29] <Jefis> I found bug :)
[10:30] <Jefis> install kde-edu, and try to run kmplot :)
[10:31] <jibrael> what happens?
[10:32] <Tm_T> haha
[10:32] <Jefis> it shows that kmparts is missing part :)
[10:33] <Jefis> tfu
[10:33] <Tm_T> "could not find KmPlot's part"
[10:33] <Jefis> kmplot's missing part :)
[10:33] <Tm_T> very useful app
[10:33] <jibrael> thats a bit of a problem :P
[10:34] <Jefis> any ideas how to fix it?;)
[10:36] <eckhart> anyone an idea to my problem?
[10:37] <jibrael> mmm
[10:37] <jibrael> eckhart: i remember reading summin about that
[10:37] <jibrael> eckhart: i'll try remember where heh
[10:40] <jibrael> eckhart: u tried booting with the usb stick plugged in?
[10:40] <eckhart> no, not yet
[10:41] <eckhart> just hotplug
[10:42] <jibrael> mmm
[10:42] <jibrael> u ever booted with a usb stick in?
[10:42] <jibrael> the device might not have ever been created
[10:43] <jibrael> try booting with it plugged in so that /dev/sda1 or whatever it is gets created
[10:45] <kakalto> :(
[10:45] <eckhart> jibrael: well, did that
[10:45] <eckhart> jibrael: seems to work now
[10:46] <vinsee> does nayone how to input/read chinese?
[10:46] <jibrael> great eckhart :)
[10:46] <jibrael> u shouldn't need to boot with it plugged in again
[10:47] <jibrael> the device should remain there
[10:47] <_dave> hi
[10:48] <carambol> vinsee, http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:49] <shmoolik> hello i have just installed Kubuntu and i don't have Kedit... how can i edit file ?
[10:50] <vinsee> no carambol.
[10:50] <vinsee> not on there.
[10:51] <Oorworm> Hi, are all the codec to watch divx, xvid, ... already installed with Kubuntu or do you have to get them somewhere?
[10:51] <Oorworm> got my mp3's to work
[10:52] <Oorworm> I think Kate is an editor
[10:52] <carambol> try wiki,vinsee
[10:52] <Oorworm> Shmoolik
[10:52] <vinsee> wiki.. where?
[10:52] <shmoolik> thanks Oorworm 
[10:53] <carambol> on the (k)ubuntu site there is a link to the wiki
[10:53] <carambol> or try google it
[10:53] <Oorworm> otherwise try 'nano' in console
[10:54] <Oorworm> with 'nano' u can also edit
[10:54] <Oorworm> I'm new to Kubuntu & Linux to
[10:54] <Oorworm> :-)
[10:54] <carambol> http://cls.admin.yzu.edu.tw/cview/ViewChinese.html
[10:54] <shmoolik> y all the GTK apss loook so bad =\
[10:54] <eckhart> jibrael: what's the reason for that
[10:55] <carambol> vinsee
[10:55] <eckhart> jibrael: i'm always interested in reasons ;-)
[10:55] <jibrael> eckhart: its just that the kernel never creates a device node for usb sticks until it finds one on boot
[10:55] <jibrael> its pretty stupid if u ask me
[10:56] <Oorworm> Where can i get the codecs to watch everything? xvid, wmv, divx, ....?
[10:56] <jibrael> but then there are lots of stupid things about the linux kernel heh
[10:56] <jibrael> lots of good thinsg too mind u
[10:56] <Oorworm> it's very confusion when u come from XP
[10:56] <Oorworm> :-)
[10:56] <Oorworm> like me
[10:56] <Oorworm> i use a dual boot now
[10:58] <jibrael> Oorworm: sudo -s apt-get install gnome-vlc
[10:58] <jibrael> that'll install videolan
[10:58] <Oorworm> Gnome? but i use KDE
[11:00] <jibrael> hrm
[11:00] <jibrael> whoops
[11:00] <jibrael> Oorworm: sudo -s apt-get install vlc-kde
[11:00] <jibrael> that should do the trick :)
[11:00] <Oorworm> thanks dude
[11:00] <jibrael> np
[11:01] <Oorworm> i also keep on getting an SIGSEGV error in Kaffeine player
[11:01] <Oorworm> any solvation to that?
[11:01] <jibrael> use amarok?
[11:01] <jibrael> dunno my kde knowledge is sparse
[11:02] <jibrael> my knowledge of kaffine even sparser
[11:02] <dimmak> just update everything and pray
[11:02] <Oorworm> hehe
[11:02] <Oorworm> vlc-kde doesnt work: /usr/bin/apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file
[11:02] <dimmak> run kaffeine -w... and make sure you have everything they way it wants stuff
[11:02] <jibrael> dimmak has the right idea
[11:07] <Oorworm> which is the best movie player in KDE?
[11:07] <Oorworm> amorok is for audio i think
[11:08] <Oorworm> amarok
[11:08] <jibrael> Oorworm: vlc plays movies well
[11:10] <dimmak> i get audio issues with vlc and i like having multiple applications that reqire sound going... so i prefer kaffeine and amarok since i have no problems running them simultaneously... i use vlc a lot too... fantastic player. anything cross platform is a plus
[11:10] <jibrael> yeah
[11:11] <incubii> lets see if the new kernel hates my cd/dvds
[11:11] <incubii> :D
[11:13] <incubii> awesome KDE is grinding to a halt
[11:17] <jibrael> lol incubii 
[11:17] <incubii> seriously
[11:18] <incubii> i put a cd/dvd in the drive
[11:18] <jibrael> i heard kubuntu is a bit sluggish?
[11:18] <incubii> and kioslaves brings KDE to a grinding halt
[11:18] <incubii> only does it on PPC kubuntu though :|
[11:18] <dimmak> i haven't had sluggish problems but i also haven't compared it to ubuntu
[11:18] <incubii> gnome prevents me from using linux
[11:19] <dimmak> and i am sure there is a lot more potential for better performance on a ppc machine
[11:19] <incubii> well yeah im looking forward to the next release
[11:19] <incubii> this already shits all over Yellow Dog Linux
[11:20] <dimmak> i do find that i take a lot fewer steps backwards when climbing forwards with this distro
[11:21] <dimmak> of course the climb can be steep with people shooting at me... but at least their aim is lousy
[11:22] <jibrael> dimmak: k/ubuntu shits over any other desktop distro
[11:22] <incubii> brb being spa,,ed
[11:23] <dimmak> yeah... i am happy i found it
[11:30] <incubii> well my cd/dvd troubles are definatly a KDE thing
[11:30] <incubii> failsafe has no troubles playing them
[11:30] <incubii> :D
[11:31] <shmoolik> hello how can i add back all the DT icons? ( e.g. trash ,my machine,...)
[11:33] <incubii> i had to make them all again :)
[11:33] <cliva> Good morning to all!
[11:33] <shmoolik> good morning man cliva 
[11:33] <cliva> can i ask a question about languages in kde ?
[11:34] <cliva> How can I add Italian language in KDE?
[11:34] <shmoolik> sure !
[11:34] <shmoolik> keybord layout or just some support ?
[11:34] <incubii> fuck it work snow
[11:35] <incubii> i think not having DMA on crashes it badly
[11:35] <incubii> where would i enter hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc to in the startup scripts ?
[11:35] <cliva> Not the keyboard layout, the programs and menus language
[11:37] <kakalto> cliva, try sudo apt-get install language-pack-it
[11:38] <shmoolik> start kynaptic go to KDE  DT enviroment
[11:38] <cliva> ok I'll try it, thank you
[11:38] <kakalto> but you'll have to get special versions of OpenOffice & Firefox if you have it
[11:38] <kakalto> and go "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[11:38] <kakalto> to add your language
[11:38] <shogouki> cliva: apt-get install kde-i18n-it
[11:38] <kakalto> that too
[11:40] <verden01> kakalto, have you done a clean install of kubuntu?
[11:40] <kakalto> verden01, yup
[11:40] <kakalto> works good now
[11:40] <kakalto> although I can't use the nvidia drivers without screwing up X
[11:41] <robin__> hi
[11:41] <kakalto> Xorg doesn't seem to like the nvidia drivers with my card
[11:41] <verden01> k
[11:41] <kakalto> robin__, hi.
[11:41] <verden01> i have an ati card
[11:41] <robin__> is there already another development tree, so I can change my apt sources.list to that ?
[11:41] <kakalto> I don't think it's out yet
[11:41] <verden01> kakalto, so what do you think?
[11:41] <kakalto> hello ubuntu
[11:42] <robin__> ok
[11:42] <kakalto> verden01, kde is actually quite nice after customising it :D
[11:42] <verden01> :-)
[11:42] <verden01> its great
[11:42] <ubuntu> hi
[11:42] <verden01> hi ubuntu 
[11:42] <danonlinedotnet> According to the kubuntu faq page. mp3 support requires installing akode-mpeg from universe. I have universe selected for Hoary Hedgehog, Updates, and Security Updates, but I can't find that package. What am I doing wrong?
[11:43] <robin__> is there work going on a synaptics with kde GUI ?
[11:43] <robin__> and the update manager
[11:43] <verden01> synaptic will run on kde just sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:43] <incubii> danonlinedotnet, sudo apt-get install amarok-engines
[11:43] <kakalto> danonlinedotnet, check your sources.list and make sure universe is in there
[11:43] <ubuntu> how are you ?
[11:44] <danonlinedotnet> Thanks.
[11:44] <kakalto> incubii, that wouldn't make akode-mpeg show up, would it?
[11:44] <robin__> verden01 I know that, but I would like a synaptic wich uses kdelibs
[11:44] <kakalto> kynaptic?
[11:44] <verden01> k
[11:45] <incubii> amarok plays mp3s
[11:45] <kakalto> it's not as good as synaptic, but it's getting there
[11:45] <incubii> so im assuming something it installs does
[11:45] <incubii> lol
[11:45] <robin__> kakalto that is not really the same
[11:45] <kakalto> incubii, not without the mp3 thing, does it?
[11:45] <incubii> well it doesnt play anything unless i install that package
[11:45] <kakalto> robin__, it isn't?
[11:45] <robin__> kakalto is does the same job :) but anyway I like synaptic better for some reason
[11:46] <verden01> hey i use synaptic with kde and think its great
[11:46] <kakalto> it's 'cause synaptic is better at the moment
[11:46] <kakalto> but by next release, kynaptic should be much better
[11:46] <incubii> i hope so
[11:46] <kakalto> so do I
[11:47] <kakalto> considering I like kde now
[11:47] <kakalto> :P
[11:47] <robin__> kakalto: hehe ok :)
[11:47] <kakalto> it's set up the way my xfce was before :D
[11:47] <robin__> one other question, How do I install kubuntu, and remove all ubuntu stuff (meaning all gnome like applications)
[11:48] <danonlinedotnet> Any problem with synaptic under kde other than looking a little wierd?
[11:48] <robin__> because I don't like gnome application shown up in my kde and vice versa
[11:48] <kakalto> danonlinedotnet, nope
[11:48] <kakalto> robin__, just use kmenuedit and tailor it to your tastes :D
[11:49] <robin__> it there a simple way, or should I remove everthing with synaptic / apt
[11:49] <robin__> kakalto: I want it off my disk :)
[11:49] <kakalto> synaptic isn't the easy way?
[11:49] <kakalto> that's news
[11:49] <robin__> well so there is no one magic command like switch_to_kubuntu_and_removes_ugly_gnome_stuff ?
[11:51] <robin__> I guess not...
[11:51] <kakalto> robin__, yeah, it's called downloading kubuntu iso and burning, and wiping hard disk, and installing kubuntu from the start :P
[11:51] <kakalto> which I, obviously, couldn't be bothered doing
[11:51] <kakalto> even though gnome crashes on my com
[11:51] <kakalto> *comp
[11:52] <incubii> i did it
[11:52] <jibrael> um u don't need to reinstall to switch to kubuntu?
[11:53] <incubii> worked perfectly
[11:53] <kakalto> jibrael, no, you don't
[11:53] <kakalto> jibrael, only if you want to COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY remove GNOME & co.
[11:53] <jibrael> kakalto: but thats silly ur gonna need gnome libs eventually
[11:54] <robin__> oh one thing, does kubuntu still got a dependancy on xserver-xorg ?
[11:54] <robin__> because i;m using xserver-xfree86
[11:54] <incubii> well its better to have the libs then the entire thing
[11:54] <buz> xorg is default
[11:54] <jibrael> heh
[11:54] <buz> not sure if xfree works
[11:54] <jibrael> xorg > xfree
[11:54] <buz> but i wouldnt be using xfree anway
[11:55] <buz> too outdated
[11:55] <robin__> buz I know, but I switched to xorg because of videocard
[11:55] <robin__> ehm
[11:55] <robin__> xfree
[11:55] <buz> weird
[11:55] <robin__> xorg doesn't support my i845 good
[11:55] <buz> i thought xorg had better support far and by large
[11:56] <robin__> onboard intel thing, it won't get higher res than 800x600, so probing goes wrong I think, xfree works perfectly
[11:56] <robin__> excepts whan I last wanted to install kubuntu is want to remove xfree 
[11:56] <robin__> so that was a problem for me
[11:56] <robin__> * -typo's
[11:57] <jibrael> robin__: it'll be rough but basicly remove xorg and install xfree it should be ok
[11:58] <robin__> ok I think i will try it
[11:58] <jibrael> it will give dependancy crap but just do it anyway
[11:59] <robin__> what is the status fo the amd64 port ? Is it stable ?
[11:59] <robin__> cause last time I tried it (months ago) it crashed like hell
[11:59] <robin__> :)
[12:00] <kakalto> what's the package kde needs to burn mp3's as audio?
[12:00] <kakalto> as cdr, I mean
[12:00] <kakalto> in k3b, I mean
[12:01] <robin__> dunno
[12:02] <kakalto> never mind
[12:02] <kakalto> I found the article
[12:04] <incubii> any of you use pre-linking ?
[12:05] <kakalto> nope
[12:07] <robin__> incubii well I have used it 
[12:07] <incubii> was there any noticeable speed increase ?
[12:08] <[fab] > Riddell: I added the QtGTK thing
[12:08] <[fab] > to wiki
[12:09] <robin__> incubii: well I don't know anymore, didn't think so
[12:09] <verden01> robin__, i have kubuntu AMD64 and it works great
[12:09] <robin__> incubii: tryout 
[12:09] <kakalto> can k3b write ogg files to cdr by default?
[12:09] <robin__> verden01: cool, i'm running debian64 which runs okay, i could try an upgrade to ubuntu
[12:10] <EvilIdler> I have a slight problem with automounting on one computer here. USB storage automounts, but CDs don't on the kubuntu-desktop..
[12:10] <verden01> if yu install kubuntu they have a seperate iso for AMD64
[12:11] <Silensius> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/hoary-dvd-i386.iso   why i can't get it whith wget ?
[12:13] <uniq> too big for wget i guess..
[12:14] <EvilIdler> wget isn't able to handle larger than 32-bit sizes, perhaps?
[12:14] <jibrael> Silensius: what does it say?
[12:14] <jibrael> EvilIdler: i downloaded it with wget on friday
[12:15] <jibrael> oh wait
[12:15] <jibrael> dvd
[12:15] <jibrael> heh
[12:15] <jibrael> whoops
[12:16] <EvilIdler> Is there a torrent for that DVD?
[12:16] <jibrael> must be?
[12:16] <jibrael> whats on the dvd lots of packages?
[12:16] <EvilIdler> I'd very much like the DVD edition for my growing local network :)
[12:17] <jibrael> EvilIdler: even better solution, setup NFS on a machine and mount every machines /var/apt/cache/archives there?
[12:17] <EvilIdler> No idea why CDs wouldn't be automounting, while USB storage is?
[12:18] <EvilIdler> jibrael: I've also got "satellite sites", i.e. computers for my relatives :/
[12:18] <jibrael> :/
[12:18] <EvilIdler> jibrael: None of them have broadband, so a DVD is handier
[12:18] <jibrael> yeah
[12:20] <EvilIdler> I'll get the DVD later, copy to local disks, and keep it synced with Uninett.
[12:21] <Silensius> jibrael : ok it work nox thanks
[12:32] <incubii> ah now its just kaffeine that crashes every time i quit it
[12:32] <Verwilst> yeah i have that too :)
[12:34] <incubii> KDE use to mass lock up when i put cd/dvds in the drive
[12:34] <incubii> fixed that by turning dma on
[12:35] <incubii> now its just kaffiene
[12:35] <incubii> luckily i have vlc
[12:35] <incubii> :D
[12:36] <incubii> matrix looks nice
[12:36] <incubii> :D
[12:40] <DiThi> hi!
[12:40] <incubii> thats not good
[12:40] <incubii> someone needs to topic lock
[12:41] <DiThi> an 's' is missing
[12:42] <markc> just installed 5.04, how do I get a root shell... sudo anything still asksf ro a pw ?
[12:43] <DiThi> sudo su
[12:44] <DiThi> I put an alias su='sudo su' on /etc/bash.bashrc
[12:44] <DiThi> or change root password
[12:44] <incubii> sudo passwd root
[12:45] <DiThi> better
[12:45] <DiThi> and more secure lol
[12:45] <markc> that still asks me for a password
[12:46] <DiThi> the same as the user pass
[12:46] <jibrael> what u need root for that sudo -s can't do?
[12:46] <markc> that's why I am here asking, because I thought sudo anything was meant to be "the way" ?
[12:46] <markc> because I have a lot of configuration to do and I have always teaditionally done it as root in a root shell
[12:47] <DiThi> markc: I think there is no root password, it works by using sudo and your user pass
[12:47] <markc> what might the default root password be anyway ?
[12:47] <DiThi> markc: so all you need is changing pass with sudo passwd root
[12:47] <_guMuTpoB> using expert install you can set a root passwd
[12:48] <markc> YES!... doh, use the users pw for root!!!... oh well
[12:49] <markc> me happy now, thank you DiThi -)
[12:50] <_guMuTpoB> could any1 tell me whats minimum size of partition to install kubuntu ?
[12:50] <DiThi> kubuntu with kde or only the base system?
[12:51] <_guMuTpoB> kubuntu-desktop
[12:52] <markc> whoa... my install just totally froze trying to ifconfig an interface... root access sure is jinxed with kubuntu!
[12:52] <DiThi> my fresh installed kubuntu needs 1,5 gb
[12:52] <_guMuTpoB> im trying to install it on a 2.4gb part but it fails, though for ubuntu its fine
[12:52] <DiThi> so 2 gb is ok
[12:52] <verden01> has anyone got kubuntu and then insatlled ubuntu-desktop?
[12:53] <_guMuTpoB> but it refuses, says not enough space in /var when there's at least 1.8g available at the same time
[12:53] <DiThi> oh
[12:53] <DiThi> maybe it needs to copy .debs
[12:54] <_guMuTpoB> but those packages are only ~ 500mb , space should not be a problem
[12:55] <DiThi> hm
[12:57] <_guMuTpoB> i tried server minimum install ~300mb then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:57] <_guMuTpoB> but then had problems with X complaining about some authority stuff
[12:58] <uniq> try to do: apt-get clean, first.
[12:58] <uniq> for the space issue.
[12:59] <uniq> did x complain when kdm should start or what? 
[12:59] <_guMuTpoB> nope, I dont remember exactly but it wasnt kdm involved
[12:59] <uniq> ok.. so kdm started? 
[01:00] <_guMuTpoB> unfortunately not
[01:00] <uniq> oh..
[01:00] <uniq> ok.
[01:00] <_guMuTpoB> X itself refused to start :)
[01:01] <uniq> when started by kdm ? 
[01:01] <uniq> or when you started x manually?
[01:01] <_guMuTpoB> i use startx
[01:01] <DiThi> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:02] <uniq> _gumutpob: with 'exec startkde' in ~/.xinitrc ?
[01:02] <_guMuTpoB> im pretty new to linux and I use just startx :)
[01:02] <uniq> _gumutpob: I'd suggest installing kdm, and make it start :)
[01:03] <DiThi>  /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:04] <_guMuTpoB> thx will try that
[01:06] <dvoid> why ...why why do i type my own user password when using kdesu   ?  wtf hapend to root?
[01:06] <_guMuTpoB> somewhere I read using archive-copier/copy=false as boot option to avoid copying the additional packages in kubuntu
[01:06] <incubii> its called security
[01:06] <dvoid> is it secure to let my normal useres start synaptic?
[01:07] <incubii> well you could remove yourself from the sudoers file
[01:07] <_guMuTpoB> but it didnt work either
[01:07] <incubii> and enable root
[01:07] <DiThi> dvoid: root has no password now, use 'sudo passwd root' for setting one
[01:07] <dvoid> crazy
[01:08] <dvoid> how do i remove users from sudoers?
[01:08] <uniq> visudo
[01:08] <uniq> remove the lines.. (iirc)
[01:10] <dvoid> now thats nice, kuser crashes when i try to remove a user from admin group
[01:14] <dvoid> now i cant even run kdesu
[01:16] <_ReDRuM_> morning
[01:16] <uniq> hello.
[01:17] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: whats the command to set package dependencies to being "ok" again on apt? :)
[01:17] <dithi> when i removed a user from admin group from kuser, entire sistem hanged up O_o
[01:17] <DiThi> hi _ReDRuM_ 
[01:17] <_ReDRuM_> i think its something piped to dpkg --set-selected or similar
[01:17] <uniq> _redrum_: like remove hold? 
[01:17] <mikl> How do I add myself to the mysql group?
[01:17] <uniq> echo package install|dpkg --set-selections
[01:17] <_ReDRuM_> er i dunno, i just want it to stop complaining about a missing dependency that shouldnt be a dependency :)
[01:17] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[01:18] <uniq> hum.
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> miki: usermod -G mysql <username>
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> or just go vipw
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> et vi /etc/group
[01:18] <uniq> ouch.. don't recommend stuff like that :)
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> and add your self to the end of the list of names
[01:18] <uniq> it's evil.
[01:18] <DiThi> mikl: or use kuser
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> yeh dont listen to me theres proper ways to do these things :)
[01:19] <_ReDRuM_> only listen to my dirty hackery if nobody sane's around to help you :)
[01:19] <uniq> _redrum_: you can edit the depends in /var/lib/dpkg/status or something.. 
[01:19] <uniq> that's an evil hack too..
[01:19] <_ReDRuM_> right up my street then :)
[01:19] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: someone was complaining the other day about not having enough primiary partitions free so i told him to backup his bootsector with dd and create another partition table with just a primary in the free space :)
[01:20] <_ReDRuM_> then switch back and forth
[01:20] <_ReDRuM_> how's that for a horrid kludge? :P
[01:20] <DiThi> woow
[01:21] <DiThi> hey
[01:21] <uniq> hehe.. nice one.
[01:22] <DiThi> how do you get boot sector?
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> dd
[01:24] <DiThi> dd if=/dev/hda copies my entire disk!!
[01:24] <DiThi> what do you do? copy some mb and use it?
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=bootsector
[01:25] <DiThi> ah
[01:25] <DiThi> the boot sector is 512b long?
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> yup
[01:25] <DiThi> i didn't knew it
[01:26] <incubii> how do i stop services
[01:26] <incubii> permantly
[01:26] <_ReDRuM_> theres more program code in there than that, i dont know exactly how lilo/grub/etc put their code on the disk (they will have to locate it then jump to it from the boot sector cause MBR always = 512 bytes)
[01:26] <incubii> ive forgotten how to, lol
[01:26] <DiThi> how do you edit that boot sector? setting it as loopback?
[01:26] <uniq> incubii: update-rc.d -f service remove
[01:26] <_ReDRuM_> DiThi: use fdisk :P
[01:26] <uniq> with sudo
[01:26] <spiral> hi
[01:26] <incubii> ok
[01:26] <incubii> thanks
[01:27] <DiThi> fdisk fails
[01:27] <uniq> hello spiral.
[01:27] <DiThi> cannot read file
[01:27] <_ReDRuM_> ok then dd it off with that command i give before
[01:27] <_ReDRuM_> and open in whatever you feel like
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> be careful tho diti :)
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> bootsectors have the disk geometary information in
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> as well as bootstrap code
[01:28] <uniq> doesn't matter when it's just the backup file.
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> you can edit the file to your hearts content
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> but dont write it back to the disk :)
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> not unless you know it's safe to
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> and you will know that just cause you know - if you dont know its not safe :)
[01:30] <incubii> brb
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> never did get rid of slack :)
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> its still there
[01:31] <DiThi> grrrrrr
[01:32] <DiThi> my entire system hanged up ONE MORE TIME!!
[01:32] <_ReDRuM_> DiThi: driver problem? 
[01:32] <DiThi> could i use xfree86 instead xorg?
[01:32] <DiThi> don't know
[01:32] <_ReDRuM_> what video driver you using?
[01:33] <DiThi> nv
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> is that the one from nvidia or the opensource attempt?
[01:33] <incubii> yeehaw
[01:33] <DiThi> the open one
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> use the official one
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> its in restricted
[01:33] <DiThi> should I use the official one?
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[01:33] <incubii> now thats a good OS
[01:33] <incubii> not one open port
[01:33] <incubii> :D
[01:34] <DiThi> :O
[01:34] <DiThi> $ nmap localhost
[01:34] <DiThi> bash: nmap: command not found
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: set default incoming iptables policy to reject - no more open port :)
[01:34] <DiThi> how can we live without nmap?!
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> DiThi: apt-get install nmap
[01:34] <incubii> i just removed the two services listening
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> root@delta:~ # nmap
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> -su: nmap: command not foun
[01:34] <incubii> postfix and cupsys
[01:34] <DiThi> i know lol
[01:34] <incubii> sudo apt-get install nmap
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> i dont want it on my kubuntu
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> im sure most newbies dont either
[01:36] <incubii> i was proposing a security ubuntu but why bother it would take a lot to topple Auditor
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> wtf is auditor?
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> sounds interesting
[01:36] <incubii> do you know knoppi-std ?
[01:36] <incubii> knoppix*
[01:36] <dvoid> anyone else that get constant crashes when trying to set a password trough kuser?
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> nope
[01:36] <incubii> ok think 300+ security tools
[01:37] <incubii> all designed for breaking, testing, etc
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> Dsniff, nessus?
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> nessues
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> argh
[01:37] <incubii> hangon
[01:37] <dvoid> kuser krashes all the time..cant do anything
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> nessus
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> was right the first time
[01:37] <incubii> i will get you the list
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> dvoid: set it with the console...
[01:38] <incubii> http://new.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_tools
[01:38] <dvoid> hehe yesss..but the kuser version included seems to be a bad one
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> oh my god it has queso on
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> that program is ancient
[01:39] <incubii> lol
[01:39] <_ReDRuM_> thats not much of a security kit
[01:39] <_ReDRuM_> more like a 1998 script kiddies home dir
[01:39] <dithi> >_<
[01:39] <incubii> nah if you want that get whoppix
[01:39] <_ReDRuM_> oh wait
[01:39] <DiThi> whoppix?
[01:39] <_ReDRuM_> theres mre than the first table :)
[01:40] <incubii> lol
[01:40] <incubii> whoppix uses metasploit
[01:40] <incubii> its just a database of exploits
[01:40] <incubii> if more useless
[01:40] <incubii> :D
[01:41] <_ReDRuM_> those arent exploits....
[01:41] <_ReDRuM_> they're tools
[01:41] <DiThi> oh
[01:41] <DiThi> nice tools page
[01:42] <incubii> doesnt metasploit do a lot of the work for you ?
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> i think metasploit is just some handy program libraries for writing sploits with
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> http://www.frsirt.com/exploits/
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> theres some exploits
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> prepare to be shocked at host how horribly insecure linux is :)
[01:45] <incubii> yeah in know its not secure but its a damn sight better then windows
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> most of the linux problems are local
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> windows has more remote holes
[01:45] <incubii> i got banned from Univeristy networks for escalating my windows account to have SYSTEM privledges
[01:45] <incubii> lol
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> shatter attack?
[01:45] <incubii> shceduler
[01:45] <incubii> :D
[01:46] <incubii> scheduler
[01:46] <incubii> the schedule program runs with SYSTEM privs
[01:46] <incubii> so i just made it run task manager, kill explorer and launch explorer again with system privs
[01:46] <incubii> like 1 mins work
[01:46] <incubii> lol
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: if you worked in a shop you could use windows escalation to install a keylogger, grab the supervisors passwords, change the price of selected items to rediculously low, have someone from out the area come in and buy them all, and sell them on ebay for a profit :)
[01:47] <incubii> hehe
[01:48] <incubii> supervisor password?
[01:48] <incubii> whats a password
[01:48] <incubii> :D
[01:49] <blacklabel> lol
[01:50] <incubii> im no hacker but i already know too much to be trusted by the average user
[01:50] <incubii> i have to shutup about what i can do so i can make money freelancing
[01:50] <incubii> lol
[01:51] <_ReDRuM_> having knowledge doesnt make everyone untrustworthy incubii :)
[01:52] <_ReDRuM_> besides if you wanted to be mischevious then its better if your victims dont know you at all and failing that they shouldnt know you know anything about technology
[01:52] <incubii> ya
[01:53] <jibrael> in highschool we wrote a dos emulation, back then (netware 2) if u stuck in an incorrect password there was like a 1 min timeout on that pc, so we filled up every space in the computer center cept for 1 running our emulation, the sys admin would come in try login and get an wrong password situation then one of us would graciously offer up our pc for him to use, mean while we grabbed his password
[01:53] <incubii> i just found it odd that as soon as someone found out i could break their password they were hesitant to talk to me
[01:53] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: crude but effective :)
[01:53] <incubii> hehe
[01:53] <jibrael> after we did that we created a user is netware who's username was the alt + 255 ascii char looks like a blank space and gave it supervisor privs
[01:54] <incubii> yeah who cares if its a dirty job, as long as it does the task at hand
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: why are you telling random people you can crack their passwords? how would you feel if someone said "dude i can pick your front door - look check this out woo im in your house!"
[01:54] <jibrael> the user also happened to sit at the very bottom of the list in netware so it never got noticed
[01:54] <jibrael> then we loaded games onto the file server
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: high school hacks are always about the games :)
[01:55] <jibrael> of course :)
[01:55] <incubii> i wasnt telling random people i was having a discussion about password security with other admins
[01:55] <jibrael> we finished doom 1 espisode 1 in 4 player co op on a daily basis
[01:55] <incubii> we played 11 player rott at school
[01:55] <incubii> that was fun
[01:56] <jibrael> we used to play warcraft 1
[01:56] <jibrael> and c & c 1 aswell
[01:56] <jibrael> was good stuff
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> rott heh
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> i remember that
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> that game was awesome
[01:57] <incubii> yeah
[01:57] <incubii> WinRott is great
[01:57] <incubii> brings back great memories
[01:57] <jibrael> hehe
[01:57] <jibrael> gl quake thnx
[01:57] <jibrael> :P
[01:58] <incubii> yeah i play quake and quake 2 still
[01:58] <incubii> Quake 1 Painkeep
[01:58] <incubii> :D
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> duke nukem that was cool too
[01:59] <incubii> lol we played 4 player diablo 1 over daisychain
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> there was a room you went in and he'd go "aha! i aint afraid of no quake"
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> quake did kill him tho
[02:00] <incubii> its a shame DNF is really DNTF
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> diablo was great
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> dnf?
[02:00] <incubii> duke nukem forever -> duke nukem taking forever
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> ah :)
[02:01] <smouche> lol incubii
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> i read there was only 10,000 web pages in 1995
[02:01] <incubii> i wish there were only 10000 now
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[02:02] <incubii> it would be easier to find things
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> it's too weird thinking my poxy home page (the only one i ever had) was one of the first 10000 sites on the web
[02:02] <smouche> i wish there were 100000 fewer with flash intros
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> one of the first people to pollute it than nonsense
[02:02] <incubii> hehe
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> s/than/with/
[02:03] <_ReDRuM_> flash is ghay
[02:03] <incubii> i hate going to teeny bopper sites
[02:03] <incubii> with their bright pink crap and system halting javascript effects
[02:03] <incubii> and then theres the java and flash menus
[02:03] <incubii> on top of the streaming audio and video
[02:03] <incubii> and all it says is "him im sexy mumma"
[02:03] <incubii> hi*
[02:03] <smouche> I used to use opera mainly for that reason, one keypress, and goodbye horrible design!
[02:04] <incubii> ":tee hee:"
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: find their guestbook and put stuff like ' admin_password=stopplayinghanson #
[02:04] <incubii> lol
[02:04] <incubii> o.O
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> why oh why...
[02:05] <incubii> yes you can imagine my dismay when they started touring australia
[02:05] <smouche> hanson's still around?  er, are still around?
[02:05] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: pelt em with tomatoes
[02:05] <incubii> LOL
[02:06] <smouche> pelt em with kango krap
[02:06] <incubii> hanson concerts have many many hot chicks taking their tops off
[02:06] <incubii> :D
[02:06] <incubii> that was the highlight of my torture
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: hmm. interesting
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> still
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> it's just not worth it.
[02:07] <smouche> seeing that with a gf could be a strain; forces you to keep eyes glued on the stage...
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> if i had to sit through hanson concert it would be, "ReDRuM, you are under arrest for ReDRuM.... you do not have to say anything..."
[02:07] <incubii> lol
[02:08] <incubii> they'll die soon
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> maybe if i took a catapult or something would be ok :)
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> pelt em with shot from a black widow
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> why they gunna die?
[02:09] <jibrael> i dunno about u guys
[02:09] <incubii> i dunno
[02:09] <spiral> hmmm... any new about the final DVD of kubuntu hoary ?
[02:09] <jibrael> but i low girls of low moral fibre
[02:09] <incubii> i wa sthinking of the real life version of rm -rf /
[02:09] <jibrael> *love
[02:09] <jibrael> easy drunk chicks are ++
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> of course
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: give them X they're even better
[02:10] <insanekane> kdesu doesnt work (it hangs when I press OK) ... is this a known problem ?
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> whats kdesu?
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> ah
[02:11] <_ReDRuM_> needs a command line
[02:11] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: its the window asking for the root password when doing admin stuff
[02:11] <jibrael> hehe
[02:11] <incubii> never had a problem with it insanekane 
[02:11] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: ah right...
[02:11] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: for e.g., run kypantic and you see kdesu
[02:11] <smouche> can anybody help me with this -- kuser won't let me create a new user -- I keep getting 
[02:11] <smouche> "cannot create home folder for <user> , it is null or empty"
[02:11] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: i can tell you how to add the user from the shell if that helps
[02:12] <insanekane> incubii: i installed the liveCD to harddisk ... do you think that could be the problem ?
[02:12] <smouche> yes please
[02:12] <incubii> it can do that?
[02:12] <smouche> thank you _ReDRuM_
[02:12] <_ReDRuM_> normal user normal group?
[02:12] <insanekane> smouche: adduser <username>
[02:12] <incubii> well its quite possible that is the reason why
[02:12] <incubii> they may have forgetton to change something
[02:12] <insanekane> incubii: what do u mean ?
[02:12] <smouche> _ReDRuM_ - I'd like new user to have same priv's as my default user
[02:12] <insanekane> incubii: are you talking to me ?
[02:13] <incubii> yes
[02:13] <linkin> i will now test kubunutu :D see you all later... bye
[02:13] <smouche> thanks insanekane
[02:13] <linkin> -u
[02:13] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: you can do what insanekane said since this distro apparantly has that adduser script
[02:13] <insanekane> incubii: ok ... well, this "install" method ... its not provided with the liveCD
[02:13] <incubii> prelinking has been going for 15 mins now :|
[02:13] <insanekane> incubii: i did it manually
[02:13] <incubii> oh ok
[02:13] <insanekane> incubii: but i dont see why kdesu should stop working as a result
[02:13] <smouche> ok, I'm doing man adduser for options -- thanks folks!
[02:14] <incubii> coudl you just renmove it add install it again
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: man useradd
[02:14] <jibrael> adduser script ++
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> thats better
[02:14] <smouche> but dammit I wish kuser worked...
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> doesnt ask you loads of stupid questions
[02:14] <insanekane> incubii: i doubt that is the issue ... since i havent touched anything really during the install ... cept for generating my own initrd image
[02:14] <jibrael> adding users on solaris is such a task tho :/
[02:14] <smouche> useradd vs adduser???
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: adduser is a script useradd is a normal unix command
[02:15] <jibrael> like useradd on solaris doesn't make the home dir for u
[02:15] <jibrael> doesn't make the group
[02:15] <jibrael> nothing
[02:15] <jibrael> heh
[02:15] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: you cant tell it to?
[02:15] <incubii> well i can say there is no issue from the install cd
[02:15] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt on linux unless you tell it to
[02:15] <smouche> cool, _ReDRuM_ thanks
[02:15] <incubii> that i am aware of
[02:15] <jibrael> nah like u know normal useradd -d /home/myuser -g myuser myuser
[02:15] <jibrael> for example
[02:15] <insanekane> incubii: hmm ..
[02:16] <jibrael> on solaris that will make the user but nothing else
[02:16] <jibrael> infact it would fail
[02:16] <jibrael> no such group
[02:16] <jibrael> heh
[02:16] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: heh ... you need to add -m on linux to make homedirs tho
[02:16] <insanekane> Riddell: i "installed" the liveCD to my hdd, and now kdesu doesnt work ... any idea why that could be happening ?
[02:16] <_ReDRuM_> otherwise it doesnt make them
[02:17] <smouche> if kde wanted to be very nice to newbies, every graphical front end to something like kuser would have basic cli commands spelled out on the first screen for reference--
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: the KDE help system is a good way to read man pages
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: it has all the unix man pages in it
[02:17] <smouche> something like, if kuser doesn't work for you, try cli - useradd blah blah blah
[02:18] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: i think it's supposed to work :)
[02:18] <smouche> _ReDRuM_, that's true.  It is more pleasant than in a terminal
[02:18] <jibrael> solaris commands are still back in the 70's
[02:18] <_ReDRuM_> i often use firefox to read man pages
[02:18] <jibrael> its a bit riduclous
[02:19] <Riddell> insanekane: what doesn't work about it?
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: slowlaris  sucks :)
[02:19] <smouche> _ReDRuM_, dumb question-- how do I use firefox for that --
[02:19] <incubii> i have run command applet in kpanel so i just type #whatever
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: by typing unix commands into google :P
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: you can also install a copy locally but i never bothered i just type them into google
[02:19] <incubii> i love web shortcuts
[02:19] <smouche> heh heh
[02:20] <_ReDRuM_> the whole perl documentation is on the web too
[02:20] <_ReDRuM_> which is very handy
[02:20] <_ReDRuM_> perl is the swiss army chainsaw of unix :)
[02:20] <incubii> and win32
[02:20] <incubii> :D
[02:20] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[02:20] <smouche> python documentation is great on the web too.
[02:21] <incubii> cause i only use it on win32
[02:21] <incubii> lol
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> python must die
[02:21] <smouche> well, I assume it is.  I can't program anything past "hello world"
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> python coders have comment phobia
[02:21] <smouche> hell of a lot of python installed with ubuntu, seems like...
[02:21] <incubii> yeah i noticed that too _ReDRuM_ 
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> a lot of people use python these days
[02:21] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: python coders dont need comments ... unlike perl :)
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> i just dislike it
[02:22] <insanekane> Riddell: after pressing "OK" it hangs :/
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> shit i comment bash scripts :)
[02:22] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: anyway ... im a python coder, and i do comment code
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> rofl
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: the exception proves the rule
[02:22] <_ReDRuM_> but good stuff :)
[02:22] <incubii> comments help when you come back to your scripts 6 months later and go, fucking hell what the fuck was i thinking?!
[02:22] <smouche> everything should be commented to death.
[02:23] <_ReDRuM_> keep it up teach your moronic peers how to be real programmers
[02:23] <insanekane> incubii: scripts ??? what scripts ??? you mean python *programs* ;)
[02:23] <jibrael> python rocks me
[02:23] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: don't bother with redundant comments like "setting iterator to zero"
[02:23] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: its the same in every language ..
[02:23] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: most code i download is well commended... except python
[02:24] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: some open source projects do that as a kind of ... closed-sourceness
[02:24] <smouche> actually, what I want is a kind of wiki-like system for man pages, where users and noobs like me could add notes right in the pages, add topics, bookmarks etc
[02:24] <jibrael> plone?
[02:24] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: possibly because python is well readable ...
[02:24] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: good for them, might as well add sed scripts to rename all their veriables XdfhDF84 while theyre at it
[02:24] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: only cause you know python
[02:25] <jibrael> well if u don't know python why u looking at code?
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> and its like "yeh well done guys wtf is this garbage supposed to do"
[02:25] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: well, i was able to read python very well after 4 days of learning Python
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: having need to modify python programs
[02:25] <dithi> woohoo
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: besides - that is the best way to learn code
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> read its source
[02:25] <_ReDRuM_> which is another reason why everything should be well commended
[02:25] <DiThi> finally installed nvidia official driver debian way :D
[02:25] <jibrael> i finding actually coding random crap is the best way to learn
[02:25] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: otoh, perl code .. even if commented is very sore on the eyes
[02:26] <jibrael> perl is just nasty :/
[02:26] <smouche> what about ruby?
[02:26] <insanekane> Riddell: could it be because I set a root password ?
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> perl is to programming what Windows is to operating systems.
[02:26] <incubii> i read stuff on ruby rail
[02:26] <incubii> looks nice
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> ruby is good
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> perl > *
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> ruby is good too.
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> python SUCKS.
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[02:26] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: plus, the fact that indentation is a part of the syntax makes it even better
[02:26] <jibrael> i'd rather write scipts in php before i wrote in perl
[02:27] <markc> php roolz... woops, wrong channel :-)
[02:27] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: possibly cause you don't know perl
[02:27] <jibrael> php has its place i guess
[02:27] <Riddell> insanekane: no.  what  are you trying to run?
[02:27] <_ReDRuM_> is pythons regex handling really equal to perls?
[02:27] <insanekane> Riddell: im trying to run kynaptic ..
[02:27] <smouche> best language for total non-programmer to start with (not counting html or java-script) ?
[02:27] <insanekane> Riddell: but that is not the issue ... it happens whenever i need kdesu
[02:27] <insanekane> smouche: python
[02:28] <jibrael> i dunno how much regex crap perl has but python has more than enough
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: perl is a regex monster - that is why it's handy...
[02:28] <smouche> thanks insanekane
[02:29] <insanekane> smouche: np
[02:29] <smouche> regex, that stuff I must learn...
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: obviously to learn code you need to write your own code too - but other peoples code should serve as a better reference than a man page
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> and so far no python programs i've seen do
[02:29] <incubii> interesting prelinking has stopped openoffice from loading
[02:29] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: i doubt you have seen much python code
[02:29] <jibrael> i just wish all other languages were as documented as php
[02:29] <jibrael> gotta give php that much
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: your right i just said a second ago i only looked at a few :P
[02:29] <jibrael> its documented to death
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: also - why's it seem so damn slow?
[02:30] <jibrael> python seemed slow?
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> things like portage and bittorent python clients seem to hog all the ram and resources and run like crap
[02:30] <jibrael> i dunno its always been pretty quick for me
[02:30] <insanekane> hmm ..
[02:30] <insanekane> jibrael: me too
[02:30] <jibrael> as far as higher languages go
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[02:30] <jibrael> its not c or anything :P
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> lets think of somthing
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> ill write it in perl and C
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> you write it in python
[02:30] <_ReDRuM_> and we can benchmark :P
[02:30] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: i do some complex GUI work with PyQt .. and its quite fast
[02:31] <jibrael> _ReDRuM_: i don't use python for speed
[02:31] <_ReDRuM_> GUI is always going to be fast its GUIs...
[02:31] <markc> can anyone think of the kde 3.4 program that sits in kicker and allows screen res changes ?
[02:31] <_ReDRuM_> they're just using a few API calls to draw windows
[02:31] <smouche> ok, gentlemen, write me a stand-alone personal wiki server
[02:31] <DiThi> krandrtray
[02:31] <jibrael> _ReDRuM_: i use it for productivity
[02:31] <_ReDRuM_> and the libraries they use will be written in C
[02:31] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: what about ruby?
[02:31] <smouche> to run with idiot-proof install on kubuntu
[02:31] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: i said complex work ... which includes sorting of 100k+ records on-demand
[02:31] <smouche> or something like Tomboy, without mono
[02:32] <ithiel> smouche
[02:32] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: the sorting/processing being done by python
[02:32] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: sorting records isnt complicated
[02:32] <ithiel> you're still here?
[02:32] <markc> ah... krandrtray
[02:32] <DiThi> yeah
[02:32] <smouche> still here from when? about five hours ago?  back from short sleep, yes
[02:33] <jibrael> where we gonna find a flat file with 100k records?
[02:33] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: take a look at portage and see if it's a well written python program cause that is one of the main things that put me off python
[02:33] <jibrael> and why is any program using a flat file db?
[02:33] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: could generate one with perl and/or python :)
[02:33] <DiThi> almost any word that starts with k could be a kde app 
[02:33] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: cause they dont want to link with gdbm or berkely, etc? :P
[02:33] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: i havent seen portage ... since i do not use gentoo
[02:33] <jibrael> hehe
[02:33] <incubii> kpr0nage
[02:33] <jibrael> sqlite is better than flat file
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> either way it's the wrong tool for the job. Take that flat file, insert into mysql , select with an order by, and be done with it faster than either perl or python can :)
[02:34] <DiThi> sqlite rocks for one file databases
[02:34] <insanekane> LeeJunFan: not when the sorting/processing is client-specific
[02:34] <incubii> amarok uses sqlite
[02:34] <insanekane> LeeJunFan: eg. Locale aware sort where clients can set their own locales
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> i guess its handy for something more complicated than a simple hash/key pair and not requiring a full RDBS
[02:35] <jibrael> sqlite has removed flat file forever
[02:35] <jibrael> i dunno can anyone think of a reason to use flat file over sqlite?
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: heh insert file is disabled on my mysql :P
[02:35] <incubii> ask the people that only know flat file
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> "massive security risk"
[02:35] <insanekane> jibrael: when the data you get is flat-file obviosly, you need to use flat file
[02:36] <jibrael> well yeah
[02:36] <insanekane> jibrael: most apps provide csv-files ... eg: CD/ISIS
[02:36] <smouche> does anyone use mono in kde?  I want to try tomboy and muine, but I had no luck getting mono apps to run, so I uninstalled it...
[02:36] <insanekane> jibrael: err .. CDS/ISIS
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> LeeJunFan: but on a dev system good idea
[02:36] <smouche> and the tomboy web site is no help...
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: no... looked at mono tho looks interesting
[02:36] <jibrael> reading csv is not hard tho
[02:37] <jibrael> every language has csv wrappers
[02:37] <smouche> seems like the gnome crowd is into mono... don't know what the issues are if any for using it in kde...
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> why insert file is a bad idea - someone gets sql injection then starts insert filing things like /etc/passwd
[02:37] <insanekane> Riddell: btw, this after I "installed" the LiveCD to disk ... do you think that could be the problem ?
[02:37] <jibrael> and it can be sorted prior to export
[02:37] <insanekane> jibrael: not always
[02:37] <smouche> I really want tomboy, and beagle (I think that's a mono app too) eventually...
[02:38] <insanekane> Riddell: basically, im trying to make an hdd-installer for the LiveCD with PyQt
[02:38] <linkin> hi
[02:39] <linkin> I've installed kubuntu 5.04, but... i can start x... but... i can't any picture on my screen :'(
[02:39] <linkin> +see
[02:40] <linkin> *I can't see any Picture on my Screen
[02:40] <incubii> awesome 
[02:40] <insanekane> linkin: if you can start x ... then ??
[02:40] <insanekane> linkin: what do u see after starting X ?
[02:40] <linkin> I've installed it some secounds before
[02:40] <linkin> ...
[02:41] <linkin> so it will come a ugly... colerfully screen with some black elemets
[02:41] <linkin> *colorfully
[02:42] <Riddell> insanekane: don't see why it should be the problem, it shouldn't need a password but it should still all work
[02:42] <linkin> but... i can't recognize something...
[02:42] <insanekane> Riddell: it just hangs after pressing "OK" ... the OK remains depressed and the action doesnt continue
[02:42] <insanekane> Riddell: is there a bug tracker for kubuntu ?
[02:43] <Riddell> insanekane: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <insanekane> Riddell: thanks
[02:43] <ithiel> mouthwash tastes good
[02:44] <linkin> has someone the same problem? :P
[02:46] <insanekane> Riddell: is there any way to get kdesu to work from commandline ? i tried eg "kdesu kynaptic" .. but no dialog comes up and nothing happens
[02:46] <insanekane> Riddell: i want to try and strace it
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> sudo kynaptic
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> better yet
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get install kpackage
[02:46] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: no :) i want to use kdesu :)
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> k
[02:46] <dithi> damn
[02:46] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: dude, the problem is not with kynaptic .. its with kdesu
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> if your using it for inclusin in your own program then theres likley an API call for it?
[02:47] <DiThi> still the same problem
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> i would imagine that it should be abstracted
[02:47] <DiThi> it must be kernel 2.6.11
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> so then they can remove kdesu in future and your programs wont break
[02:47] <Riddell> insanekane: command line works for me
[02:47] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: no im not using for including in my own program ... i just want to fix it (and figure out if it is something to do with the way I installed since that affects my livecd->hdd installer)
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: strace kdesu <blah>
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> might give you some clues
[02:48] <_ReDRuM_> strace -f -o logfile kdesue <blah>
[02:48] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: err
[02:48] <DiThi> wo
[02:48] <DiThi> 2.6.11.7
[02:48] <linkin> -.-
[02:48] <buz> why can't my custom kernel load my root fs? (i have XFS compiled statically, so that can't be it)
[02:48] <DiThi> the 2.6.11-1 in ubuntu is buggy
[02:48] <_ReDRuM_> im going to try installing 2.6.11
[02:49] <_ReDRuM_> and see if it screws up for me too
[02:49] <Jefis> why i cant edit menu anymore?
[02:49] <Jefis> :)
[02:49] <DiThi> i've heard that after the release of 2.6.11 there was several revisions
[02:49] <_ReDRuM_> oh crap, whats the right way to make apt forget about dependencies again? :)
[02:49] <insanekane> --force-all
[02:50] <Jefis> i cant edit my kmenu, cant save :)
[02:50] <Jefis> what to do?
[02:50] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: i want command to make it forget so i can go back to using apt...
[02:51] <_ReDRuM_> i dont want apt-get -f either cause i dont want them "fixed"
[02:51] <DiThi> woo
[02:51] <DiThi> found it
[02:51] <DiThi> http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.11.3
[02:51] <_ReDRuM_> its the dependencies that r broken not my system
[02:51] <DiThi> "[PATCH]  drm missing memset can crash X server.."
[02:51] <_ReDRuM_> DiThi: scarey
[02:51] <Jefis> :)
[02:51] <Jefis> help me :)
[02:51] <DiThi> i'm sure that's the problem
[02:52] <_ReDRuM_> DiThi: hmm
[02:52] <DiThi> i'll upgrade to 2.6.11.7
[02:52] <_ReDRuM_> could build the ubuntu kernel and apply the patch if its not too complicated
[02:52] <DiThi> i upgraded to 2.6.11-1 because it's the last precompiled kernel in ubuntu
[02:52] <incubii> any clues why openoffice appears to load then doesnt
[02:52] <_ReDRuM_> DiThi: i've heard ubuntu kernel is not stock kernel and misbehaves with other kernels...
[02:52] <ithiel> kynaptic is pretty nice
[02:52] <insanekane> Riddell: ok ... i get another error, which i think is related: unable to lookup terranova via gethostbyname()
[02:52] <_ReDRuM_> it's second hand info
[02:52] <_ReDRuM_> but thats what i heard
[02:52] <insanekane> Riddell: any idea how to fix that ?
[02:52] <ithiel> customized kernel?
[02:53] <DiThi> then i'll compile from source
[02:53] <ithiel> can you verify that redrum?
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> DiThi: yeh... and apply patch
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> ithiel: apt-get the source its in the repo :)
[02:53] <linkin> ....help :'(
[02:53] <ithiel> meh.
[02:53] <ithiel> I know where it is
[02:53] <linkin> please... help :(
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> ithiel: so get it then diff it to the vanilla  kernel :P
[02:53] <ithiel> I wonder what changes were made...
[02:53] <ithiel> diff.
[02:53] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: i get an error: unable to lookup terranova via gethostbyname()  - any idea how to fix that ?
[02:53] <linkin> no one want / can help me with my Graphiccard problem :((
[02:53] <Jefis> why i can't edit kmenu anymore?
[02:53] <_ReDRuM_> ithiel: i heard its the ways it accesses devices
[02:54] <Jefis> why i can't edit kmenu anymore?
[02:54] <Jefis> :)
[02:54] <ithiel> USB?
[02:54] <DiThi> and patch with swsusp2, supermount, bootsplash...
[02:54] <smouche> this is bizarre -- I just created a new user, and when I logged into it for the first time, it entered xfce!  I don't mind, but I'm surprised it didn't log into kde like my main user, by default...
[02:54] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: did you try using the official nvidia driver not the opensource one?
[02:54] <ithiel> I just came to kubuntu from Yoper, Gentoo, Slack personally
[02:54] <insanekane> DiThi: what is swsusp and supermount ?
[02:54] <Jefis> why i can't edit kmenu anymore? :)
[02:54] <DiThi> swsusp2->software suspend, like hibernating in win
[02:54] <linkin> _redrum_: I can't see something on my screen... so i can't install the driver :(
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> ithiel: my usb works fine...
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: do it from console...
[02:55] <ithiel> I meant along the lines of an improvement redrum
[02:55] <ithiel> maybe the manner in which it deals with external devices, HDD, USB?
[02:55] <insanekane> DiThi: and supermount ?
[02:55] <DiThi> supermount: a mount virtual filesystems, it's great for removable media, specially for cds
[02:55] <ithiel> I should grab my USB drive and test it actually
[02:55] <insanekane> DiThi: aha super :)
[02:55] <linkin> _redrum_: how? I come from Suse... so there is no need to use the console :P ... I havn't typed any Root password
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> ithiel: it was sound specifically the person who mentioned it had probs with
[02:55] <shogouki> Jefis: damn dont use bold or color
[02:56] <Jefis> :)
[02:56] <ithiel> ah I see
[02:56] <Jefis> damm help me :)
[02:56] <DiThi> instead of mounting /dev/something /something -t type
[02:56] <shogouki> Jefis: i dont think someone will help you after that
[02:56] <DiThi> mount none /something -t supermont fs=type,dev=/dev/something
[02:56] <linkin> _redrum_: is there any "default" root password?
[02:56] <Jefis> damm :(
[02:56] <DiThi> then you mount something once
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: no, just do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:56] <DiThi> and you can remove the media at any time
[02:56] <insanekane> DiThi: and it takes care of it afterwards ?
[02:57] <insanekane> DiThi: any clue how to get bootsplash working with kubuntu ?
[02:57] <DiThi> http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net/
[02:57] <linkin> _redrum_: i must install my usb-DSL-Modem first... but I can't install it... without X :(
[02:57] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: sec
[02:58] <linkin> _redrum_: ok :)
[02:58] <ithiel> g2g, cya latr
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: theres no guarantee this will work - but try this cd /etc/X11 ; cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.orig
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> then edit xorg.conf, find your video card section
[02:59] <DiThi> insanekane: http://bootsplash.de/
[02:59] <insanekane> what does it mean when it cant find my hostname via gethostbyname() ? does it mean that localhost isnt configured properly ?
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> and replace the driver "nv" bit with vga
[02:59] <jibrael> what hostname u getting?
[02:59] <insanekane> DiThi: are you working on these projects ?
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> so it looks like Driver "vga"
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> then try running x
[03:00] <DiThi> nope
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> if it doesnt work replace the file with the origina
[03:00] <insanekane> jibrael: i just get errors whenever i sudo ... i think thats why kdesu doesnt work for me
[03:00] <linkin> _redrum_: is the driver "fbdev" on the cd?
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: it's in apt if it's not
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> hmm i lie
[03:00] <jibrael> hrm
[03:00] <_ReDRuM_> no its not
[03:01] <Jefis> damm, i can't change my kmenu, something wrong with permisions
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: just use vga then install your DSL driver
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> then install the official nvidia drivers
[03:01] <linkin> oki :D
[03:01] <linkin> ^^
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> i had to go through similar crap on an nvidia machine running mephis
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> tho kubuntu worked ok
[03:01] <DiThi> insanekane: for bootsplash, you need to patch kernel, patch bootscripts and install themes
[03:01] <insanekane> DiThi: hmm ..
[03:01] <smouche> Jefis, next time be patient; people aren't always going to reply to you if they don't know how to help with your problem; it's silly to expect everyone to drop what they're doing just to tell you that..
[03:01] <_ReDRuM_> Cloney: i think there is a native PPC version of kubuntu?
[03:01] <insanekane> DiThi: are you doing it yourself for kubuntu ?
[03:01] <Jefis> ;)
[03:02] <linkin> _redrum_: ok,  i will be back soon :) Thanks ;)
[03:02] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: and i'm definately not going to do any research on his problem with that flooding he did
[03:02] <Cloney> There is, but I need an x86 Linux platform for testing. It also saves having to reboot, although obviously at the cost of a lot of speed.
[03:02] <DiThi> insanekane: i had done it with debian
[03:02] <Jefis> :D
[03:02] <Jefis> sorry :)
[03:02] <DiThi> insanekane: deb http://debian.bootsplash.de unstable main
[03:02] <insanekane> DiThi: and it worked ok ? you have a blog where you talked abt ur experience ?
[03:02] <Cloney> Besides, there's a certain element of just trying it to see if it works.
[03:03] <_ReDRuM_> Cloney: cool :)
[03:03] <insanekane> DiThi: that source provides prepatched kernels ?
[03:03] <smouche> It's like the NYC subway -- people bounce themselves off the doors, and bang and yell at the conductor to open them... 
[03:03] <DiThi> insanekane: no, it provides the patches
[03:03] <DiThi> insanekane: and themes
[03:03] <insanekane> DiThi: oh right ..
[03:03] <DiThi> and utilities
[03:03] <smouche> me, I just stand close enough to the doors, look plaintively toward the conductor, and stay ready to jump in IF he opens them
[03:04] <linkin> _redrum_: could i use mc for this? :D
[03:04] <linkin> "mc"
[03:05] <DiThi> insanekane:  apt-cache search bootsplash
[03:05] <linkin> _redrum: or can't i use it, because... there isn't any function for it :D
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> to do what ? change the X config file?
[03:06] <_ReDRuM_> just use nano
[03:06] <Jefis> hrrrrr
[03:06] <linkin> nano? :D
[03:06] <linkin> nice name :D
[03:07] <Rickdangerous> nano > pico
[03:07] <insanekane> hmm ..
[03:07] <Rickdangerous> even >=
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: vi >>>>>> :D
[03:07] <linkin> _redrum_: i think, i need to login as superuser
[03:07] <insanekane> Riddell: it works now ... basically it was because i didnt have a /ets/hosts file with my local hostname in it
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: use the sudo command
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: sudo nano <file>
[03:07] <jibrael> vim for teh win
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: if you want to login as super user do this - "sudo passwd"
[03:07] <_ReDRuM_> and you can set a root password
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> is there a bot in here you can do things like tell user> su
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[03:08] <Rickdangerous> no need to login as root since there's sudo -s...
[03:08] <linkin> _redrum_: thats a nice system :) it's completly new for me
[03:08] <jude> Rickdangerous: or sudo -i if you want the full root environment
[03:08] <_ReDRuM_> linkin: ah. well, kubuntu discourages using root account and thinks you should use sudo
[03:09] <Jefis> idiots...
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> it's your system, your call :)
[03:09] <Rickdangerous> jude, yes, right.
[03:09] <hayden> whats up
[03:09] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, but there's no need to *login* as root.
[03:09] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, it's just a (bad) habit.
[03:09] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: personally i set a root password and removed sudo
[03:10] <_ReDRuM_> sudo is a bad habit unless you make a seperate user account for it
[03:10] <Riddell> insanekane: oh interesting, well make sure you have that file created properly with your install scripts :)
[03:10] <_ReDRuM_> your every day account is far more likely to be compromised than your root account
[03:10] <_ReDRuM_> and if you have sudo for your every day account you just gave them root access
[03:10] <markc> ever tried remastering kubuntu using sudo... insanity
[03:10] <mdke> i've heard a few reports of dist-upgrade after relase leading to problems with timezones/hardware clocks. is this known?
[03:11] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, then you shouldn't su - on an x terminal.
[03:11] <Rickdangerous> ?
[03:11] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, key presse s can be caught.
[03:11] <Riddell> mdke: dist upgrade won't do anything wrong, people seem to be having issues changing their timezone
[03:11] <insanekane> Riddell: yes i will :) actually ... i am collecting all such info for the installer in a wiki page ... does wiki.ubuntu.com allow me to create my own wiki page ? or is there such a page already ?
[03:12] <jude> networking - can anyone tell me where to put my default gateway route so it is added at boot?
[03:12] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: it's still more complicated than just typing sudo bash as soon as they have your account :)
[03:12] <mdke> Riddell, problems I've heard are: dist-upgrade after release, timezone goes wrong and hardware clock gets set to UTC instead of local time
[03:12] <_ReDRuM_> id notice if strange keyloggers were in my process list
[03:12] <_ReDRuM_> im always looking at it
[03:12] <jibrael> fact is how on earth is anyone gonna catch keypresses on a linux box?
[03:12] <markc> jude: /etc/network/interfaces (on stock debian anyway)
[03:12] <jibrael> i mean
[03:12] <jude> markc: ta
[03:12] <jibrael> a)they get local access to teh box
[03:12] <SecDWizar> houdy
[03:12] <SecDWizar> HOUDY :)
[03:12] <jibrael> well if they got local access to ur box
[03:12] <Riddell> insanekane: yes you can create pages on the wiki, you just need to create an account for yourself first
[03:13] <jibrael> ur screwed
[03:13] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, I believe passworless sudo is ddangerous too, you should enter password everytime...
[03:13] <insanekane> Riddell: is such a page already exising ? ie, for creating an installer for kubuntu LiveCD ?
[03:13] <Rickdangerous> or find a better authentication way.
[03:13] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: but your only entering your local password 
[03:13] <SecDWizar> may  I ask a question  ?
[03:13] <Riddell> insanekane: no idea, search works well on the wiki though
[03:13] <Rickdangerous> SecDWizar, you don't have to ask :)
[03:13] <insanekane> Riddell: hehe :) sorry to bother you so :)
[03:14] <Riddell> no problem
[03:14] <SecDWizar> well It's only polite :)
[03:14] <mdke> Riddell, no?
[03:14] <linkin> will be back soon, bye
[03:14] <wellso> hi ppl
[03:14] <Riddell> that's what I'm here for :)
[03:14] <jude> off to reboot and see if routing survives...
[03:14] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: every system has its flaws, i just don't believe sudo is any safer than root account for the reasons i outlined above so i dont use it. i think its good to make default on a distro to make newbies in particular think about what they are doing with their root account - but personally for me - i dont see the benefit unless you make a seperate account just to sudo from - that would be more secure
[03:14] <markc> insanekane> is there an installer from the liveCD somewhere ?
[03:14] <Riddell> mdke: I havn't done a dist-upgrade, don't see why it would affect your timezone though
[03:14] <insanekane> Riddell: someone told me sometime back that amu was working on such an installer ??
[03:14] <_ReDRuM_> (minorly)
[03:14] <insanekane> markc: several places - morphix installer, knoppix installer etc
[03:14] <Riddell> insanekane: dunno, but he is the live CD dude so worth asking him
[03:15] <wellso> u all big KDE fans?
[03:15] <mdke> Riddell, i don't know, i'm just reporting some separate people have told me of this problem.
[03:15] <insanekane> Riddell: oh ok .. thanks :)
[03:15] <SecDWizar> I've accidantly installed gstreamer plugin, wich installed half of gnome, now I don't know what was installed, so how do I remove it ? 
[03:15] <insanekane> wellso: yeah me !!! :)
[03:15] <ataxic> wellso: i'm 85kg on 1.90
[03:15] <wellso> lol
[03:15] <ataxic> not that big
[03:15] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, true, especailly you are using closed MP source games, web browsers with holes etc.
[03:15] <Riddell> wellso: secretly we all like DOS, but that's not around any more so we had to convert to KDE
[03:15] <jibrael> well on gentoo i just run as normal user and just su to do stuff
[03:15] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, I seuup an untrustes account for i.e. playing a MP game.
[03:16] <Rickdangerous> untrusted*
[03:16] <insanekane> Riddell: what abt BASIC ? ;)
[03:16] <wellso> i moved from warty to kubuntu and its sweet, but confusing for nwebs like me
[03:16] <SecDWizar> well I guess you guys can't be disturbed...
[03:16] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: it would be nice if i didn't constantly need root but i'm a tinkerer so unfortunately i have an account that can su as my default :)
[03:17] <_ReDRuM_> SecDWizar: there is a command to do that i just dont remember it ill go loooking in the manpage if you cant be bothered.
[03:18] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, since you are power user you know how to use root login but for newbies; they should *never* login as root.
[03:18] <wellso> do I need an additional firewall for kubuntu?
[03:18] <jibrael> well i dunno
[03:18] <jibrael> newbs should login as root
[03:18] <jibrael> they'll learn what NOT to do pretty quick
[03:18] <Rickdangerous> heh
[03:19] <jibrael> i mean u only rm -rf / once
[03:19] <jibrael> heh
[03:19] <SecDWizar> _ReDRuM_: what manpage? apt-get? or what? I'll read it at once
[03:19] <_ReDRuM_> SecDWizar: apt-cache showpkg <gstreamer-plugin>
[03:19] <_ReDRuM_> it will show you all the dependencies
[03:19] <_ReDRuM_> so you can just remove them
[03:19] <jibrael> wellso: ur running linux hehe, firewall... not needed
[03:20] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: i'm inclined to agree
[03:20] <Rickdangerous> jibrael, > /-i ;)
[03:20] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: i think the default install with no root access is a good idea
[03:20] <jibrael> and k/ubuntu listens on no interfaces by default
[03:20] <incubii> Starting nmap 3.75 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-04-10 23:20 EST
[03:20] <incubii> All 1663 scanned ports on localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) are: closed
[03:20] <incubii> Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.161 seconds
[03:20] <_ReDRuM_> and if they dont know how to open up root they probably shouldnt :)
[03:20] <hayden> i installed kubuntu to my laptop and when i close the lid it goes to screen with a blinking "_", how do i get back to my kde desktop ?
[03:20] <incubii> kubuntu listens to SMTP and IPP
[03:20] <jibrael> incubii: only on localhost
[03:21] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, but caching password for sudo too long is open to some trojan/virus attack I suppose
[03:21] <incubii> still thats more then i needed
[03:21] <jibrael> incubii: so ur safe :P
[03:21] <wellso> why dont i need one, just because its more secure by nature?
[03:21] <incubii> i dont need them anyway
[03:21] <incubii> :D
[03:21] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: uhuh
[03:21] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, of course relatively open.
[03:21] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: just sit around and wait for them to sudo and viola :)
[03:21] <jibrael> wellso: firewalls block access to ports on an internal network that may be needed there but that u don't want outsiders to be able to connect to
[03:22] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, yeah same as the root login.
[03:22] <jibrael> since k/ubuntu listens on no external interfaces no one can connect to your computer in any manner
[03:22] <wellso> cool, thats great
[03:22] <_ReDRuM_> so the only function of sudo in my eyes is 1) give users limited root access 2) stop people doing stupid things with root
[03:22] <Rickdangerous> jibrael, web browsers can execute malicious code sometimes for example.
[03:22] <jibrael> yeah
[03:22] <jibrael> ie
[03:22] <jibrael> heh
[03:22] <wellso> lol
[03:22] <Rickdangerous> jibrael, nenevermind.
[03:23] <markc> and if linux does start a daemon on a port there is a good chance you do not want to block it :)
[03:23] <jibrael> since we don't use ie :P
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: dont believe for a second your linux box is safe
[03:23] <SecDWizar> _ReDRuM_: I'm not sure it's what I need, as probbly some dependencies are required for other apps. I thought that a log to show me what was installed (by me) was more like it.
[03:23] <jibrael> _ReDRuM_: i don't i got plenty of ports listening
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> there was a png exploit just like the microsuck jpeg one recently
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> installing linux does NOT automatically make your box more secure
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> its mostly because using it encourages better practices
[03:24] <_ReDRuM_> the way i use windows is almost as secure
[03:24] <acidmaxd> hello everyone
[03:24] <wellso> im running a smoothwall proxy for my LAN, its set up to block most ports as default
[03:24] <_ReDRuM_> without using an admin account for every day things
[03:24] <jibrael> i was saying a default ubuntu install listens on no outside interfaces thats all
[03:24] <_ReDRuM_> SecDWizar: apt wont let you remove things that are needed so try and remove all of it :)
[03:24] <incubii> stupid question, will dosemu run on ppc ?
[03:24] <acidmaxd> i have some troubles, and i was wondering if someone other has them: Konqueror (the file manager) crashes constantly
[03:24] <Rickdangerous> incubii, try qemu
[03:24] <SecDWizar> _ReDRuM_: OK will give it a try, thanks a buch
[03:24] <_ReDRuM_> np
[03:24] <smouche> acidmaxd, I have that problem!
[03:24] <acidmaxd> even if it is not started
[03:25] <smouche> but I don't have a solution!
[03:25] <jibrael> don't use kde so, and in gnome i don't use naut so file managers bother me not heh
[03:25] <incubii> yea i was going to, just curious :)
[03:25] <acidmaxd> the machine is sitting idle, and then - boom, Konqueror crashes
[03:25] <insanekane> hello all
[03:25] <jibrael> term > fm
[03:25] <smouche> acidmaxd, are you using amd64, by any chance?
[03:26] <acidmaxd> when i open the Home folder, the rotating logo doesn't stop rotating
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> jibrael: no outside interfaces are a good thing but they are just one chain in the link, it doesnt automatically make you safe either
[03:26] <acidmaxd> smouche: no, i386
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> i.e the recent png exploit...
[03:26] <wellso> another newb ques, how do I disable resolutions as the login is always 1600 X 1200 which is a bitch on my monitor. Once logged on tho it changes to me pref res.
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> so then graphic files become able to take over your pc
[03:26] <linkin_> _redrum_: i can't see something in the console..
[03:26] <acidmaxd> ... and when i close the window, after 2-3 minutes there is a crash
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> linkin_: you cant see anything in console?!?!
[03:26] <hayden> wheres the best place to mount samba shares?
[03:26] <_ReDRuM_> is that what you mean?
[03:27] <jibrael> _ReDRuM_: yeah but thats not a linux flaw and a firewall won't in most cases help against that
[03:27] <smouche> I mean your hardware -- not the kubuntu version -- I'm using i386 too, but on an amd64 laptop
[03:27] <acidmaxd> hayden: i use /mnt/samba
[03:27] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: any URLs on this recent PNG exploit ?
[03:27] <hayden> ok
[03:27] <_ReDRuM_> hayden: somewhere under /media
[03:27] <linkin_> _redrum_: only black and white cubs
[03:27] <jibrael> _ReDRuM_: he asked if he needed a firewall i said not really and explained why thats all
[03:27] <acidmaxd> smouche: i did not have this problem with the preview release
[03:28] <smouche> acidmaxd, the rotating logo thing, I have that too -- but only if I open konqueror from the "quick browser" in the panel
[03:28] <linkin_> -cubs +pixels
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: http://www.networksecurityarchive.org/html/Bugtraq/2004-10/msg00274.html
[03:28] <acidmaxd> smouche: exactly as i do
[03:28] <wellso> im runnin dual boot with XP and being a windows user by nature I thought I might need a third party firewall app
[03:28] <smouche> a bug report was filed on that -- somebody with very similar problem, but I don't know the status of it...
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> does anyone know if ubuntu boots a framebuffer by default
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[03:28] <acidmaxd> smouche: after i close the window=, `ps ax` shows konqueror still running
[03:29] <linkin_> _redrum_: do you noticed what problem i have? :D
[03:29] <acidmaxd> smouche: 2-3 minutes later this konqueror crashes
[03:29] <_ReDRuM_> linkin_: yes i noticed im trying to think why.
[03:29] <smouche> kate crashes on me too, acidmaxd -- I wonder if the problemm is related
[03:29] <hayden> how can i mount samba shares at startup using /etc/fstab without needing to type a password when the system starts up?
[03:29] <wellso> i have probs with kate running with sudo
[03:29] <linkin_> _redrum_: first boot... i see first: black and white pixels... and after it... nice colors :D
[03:29] <acidmaxd> smouche: reading the debugging dump i saw something like that: Konqueror::ListDirs:: ... bla-bla
[03:30] <linkin_> _redrum_: but i could change normaly to the console
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> linkin_: does it at any point give you readable text?
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> linkin_: so you can login in console right?
[03:30] <linkin_> _redrum_: no...
[03:30] <acidmaxd> smouche: where is the Bugzilla?
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> linkin_: press ctrl+alt+f1 to switch to console from X
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> linkin_: if it gives you readable text during the bootup you will be able to do that
[03:31] <smouche> ? acidmaxd
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> osrry guys ive got work to do
[03:31] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: ciao
[03:31] <smouche> don't remember exactly, acidmaxd, sorry
[03:31] <linkin_> _redrum_: thanks for everything, bye ;)
[03:32] <insanekane> acidmaxd: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:32] <acidmaxd> insanekane: yeah, i've figured that
[03:32] <smouche> I'm having fewer crashes now that I use rox to browse files, but I still get them sometimes, like you said, when konqueror isn't even (supposed to be) running
[03:32] <insanekane> acidmaxd: :)
[03:33] <acidmaxd> smouche: i've used some daily builds and the preview release - they were rock-solid
[03:34] <smouche> acidmaxd, I checked firefox history -- try somewhere in here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009
[03:34] <smouche> acidmaxd, I'm using an upgraded final release candidate
[03:35] <smouche> acidmaxd, what's your hardware?
[03:35] <acidmaxd> smouche: updated ?!
[03:35] <smouche> yeah
[03:36] <acidmaxd> smouche: do i need to re-download it
[03:36] <smouche> no, why, acidmaxd?
[03:36] <acidmaxd> < smouche> acidmaxd, I'm using an upgraded final release candidate
[03:37] <smouche> er, I don't know -- I have a feeling I'd have this bug even with a new fresh install
[03:37] <acidmaxd> smouche: mine is fresh
[03:37] <hayden> in konqueror when im looking at my home dir how can i get the window on the left like folder view in windows xp?
[03:37] <smouche> I think it's a hardware thing, maybe my video driver...?
[03:37] <Riddell> hayden: F9
[03:37] <acidmaxd> smouche: hardware: PIII Xeon 500 MHz, 256 MB SDRAM, Matrox G400 (mga)
[03:38] <hayden> thanks
[03:38] <smouche> acdmaxd, well -- that's way different from my hardware!  so that isn't the problem, I guess!
[03:39] <smouche> I haven't heard too many people screaming about this issue (except me) before, so it doesn't seem to affect too many folks -- weird
[03:39] <linkin__> _redrum_ (or someone else :P): i will get the same screen :'(
[03:39] <linkin__> I've made 2 pictures from it...
[03:40] <smouche> acidmaxd, does kate crash on you a lot too, or refuse to open?
[03:40] <acidmaxd> smouche: i don't use kate, sorry
[03:41] <acidmaxd> smouche: no, kate opens well
[03:42] <smouche> well, acidmaxd, kate has seemingly random problems too, like konqueror.
[03:42] <linkin__> here... http://linkin.mine.nu/kubuntu/pictures/
[03:42] <linkin__> (for the pictures from the console)
[03:43] <acidmaxd> i've deleted everything kde-related on my home directory, started from scratch, without effect
[03:43] <acidmaxd> damn, just switched to KDE after 4 years of GNOME :(
[03:43] <psn> acidmaxd: hmm which widget style do you use?
[03:44] <smouche> I feel your pain, acidmaxd. 
[03:44] <acidmaxd> psn: everything Plastik
[03:44] <acidmaxd> icons are Nuvola
[03:44] <psn> acidmaxd: hmm ok, I had some problems with lipstik
[03:45] <andrewski> why can't i install kvim and gvim at the same time?!
[03:46] <incubii> what sort of problems psn
[03:46] <insanekane> acidmaxd: do you now like KDE better ? ;)
[03:46] <smouche> I may give up on kde on this machine anyway, if the konqueror crashes don't stop.  I really like xfce4 anyway...
[03:47] <psn> incubii: random crashes... they disappeared when I switched to plastik
[03:47] <cliva> Good afternoon to all!!
[03:47] <cliva> I'm the only that today can't update apt-get?
[03:48] <cliva> Or there is a server owercrowding?
[03:48] <smouche> psn, what were you using before plastik?
[03:48] <psn> smouche: lipstik
[03:48] <incubii> i was runnin combo plastik/lipstik, think ill try all plastick to see what happens
[03:49] <smouche> I had "kde2" or whatever, trying plastik now, to see if it helps!
[03:49] <andrewski> hmm, me too with the crashes.  knew i shouldn't have worn lipstik.
[03:50] <incubii> lol
[03:50] <incubii> you coulda least worn a dress 
[03:50] <incubii> :P
[03:50] <acidmaxd> psn: so, should i switch to Liptik?
[03:50] <acidmaxd> Lipstik i mean
[03:51] <smouche> weird, I don't even have lipstik listed in window decorations...
[03:51] <acidmaxd> smouche: it's a Style
[03:51] <smouche> ah
[03:51] <incubii> stupid smp kernel preventing special keys
[03:52] <psn> acidmaxd: well lipstik didn't work for me, maybe it does for you...
[03:52] <smouche> ok, plastik it is then, goodbye lipstik -- crossing fingers.  
[03:53] <acidmaxd> what fonts are you using?
[03:53] <acidmaxd> i use microsofts'
[03:53] <incubii> i use what it comes with
[03:54] <acidmaxd> incubii: i hope that you have enabled autohinting
[03:54] <smouche> shit!!! konqueror also crashes about every other time I try to save a theme!!
[03:55] <incubii> si have AA on
[03:56] <incubii> if thats what you mean
[03:56] <linkin__> bye
[03:57] <smouche> alright, I'm ending this kde session and switching to xfce just for some aggravation relief -- see you soon
[03:58] <hayden> whenever i am in the kde control center and i click administrator mode, it just sits there 
[03:59] <acidmaxd> incubii: no, if you edit /etc/fonts/local.conf and uncomment the section about autohinting, the fonts will be way better
[04:01] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: have you tried to disable kubuntu's KDM theme?
[04:01] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: and replace it with a more standart one
[04:01] <smoucheXF> acidmaxd, no I haven't
[04:03] <jude> how can i add more styles/window decs?
[04:03] <dejot> hi
[04:05] <acidmaxd> jude: you can get some styles from http://www.kde-look.org and install them via Control Center
[04:05] <jude> acidmaxd: ta
[04:06] <insanekane> Riddell: another problem: i get an error with kmix that is cannot use/connect/whatever to /dev/dsp ... so no sound ... any idea how to fix ?
[04:06] <andrewski> acidmaxd: "install them via Control Center"?
[04:06] <andrewski> acidmaxd: where do you have to download them to?
[04:06] <Riddell> insanekane: probably no sound driver installed
[04:06] <acidmaxd> (i haven't practiced my Engligh much, sorry) :)
[04:06] <insanekane> Riddell: hrmm ...
[04:07] <andrewski> acidmaxd: no, your english is fine, i just don't know how to do that. :P
[04:07] <acidmaxd> Riddell: are the Konquerors' random crashes a known issue?
[04:09] <acidmaxd> andrewski: Control Center -> Appearance and Themes -> Theme manager
[04:10] <andrewski> acidmaxd: where do i download them?
[04:10] <Riddell> acidmaxd: nope
[04:10] <acidmaxd> Riddell: can i explain, or just fill a bug report?
[04:10] <smoucheXF> Riddell, what's the definition of "known issue" ?  there are bug reports on it...
[04:11] <insanekane> Riddell: i hope you are not planning on removing kolourpaint .. and i hope you *do* remove kwrite/kate and use kedit instead (defaults)
[04:11] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: unfortunately, i can't browse Ubuntu's Bugzilla: Secure connection: fatal error (10) from server, transmission failure.
[04:12] <hunger> acidmaxd: I can not even register there...
[04:12] <shogouki> insanekane: kedit isnt useless now ?
[04:12] <acidmaxd> hunger: i cannot login :)
[04:12] <acidmaxd> hunger: probably cookies/proxy related
[04:12] <smoucheXF> hmm, did you try that direct page link I gave you before?  I can't find it now, 'cause I'm in a different user session, don't have my history list
[04:13] <acidmaxd> this one: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009
[04:13] <smoucheXF> Riddell, I agree with insanekane re kedit vs kate...
[04:13] <Riddell> insanekane: kolourpaint you'll notice is there but hopefully the next version will have Krita
[04:13] <Riddell> what advantage does kedit have over kate or kwrite?
[04:14] <insanekane> Riddell: kedit supports non-Latin very well ... but others dont
[04:14] <andrewski> Riddell: where did you want me to file that kubuntu.png bug?
[04:14] <Riddell> andrewski: which kubuntu.png bug?
[04:14] <smoucheXF> kedit doesn't crash, kate is great but overkill for non-programmers, kedit is quicker, kate can be easily installed by those who want it.
[04:14] <insanekane> Riddell: kolourpaint also supports non-Latin ... i dont know abt Krita though .... Karbon doesnt support non-Latin and should be removed (its not there now though)
[04:14] <andrewski> Riddell: the one we were talking about yesterday, with the grainy login/background picture.
[04:15] <insanekane> shogouki: no, kedit is very nice :)
[04:15] <acidmaxd> KGpg doesn'g support signing non-latin text either :(
[04:15] <Riddell> andrewski: on bugzilla.ubuntu.com  under kubuntu and against ksplash or kdebase
[04:15] <hunger> acidmaxd: Nope... I want to report that mail is broken for me... and I can not register because I keep loosing the mail with the login info.
[04:15] <insanekane> acidmaxd: it doesnt ?? it worked for me ...
[04:15] <smoucheXF> and Riddell, I'm not the only newbie to be presented with advice to "sudo kate" to edit a system file, only to have a message like this: "blah blah kate probably crashed"
[04:15] <andrewski> Riddell: ksplash/kdebase... got it, thanks.
[04:15] <smoucheXF> so I use nano instead, or kedit
[04:16] <underlord> why is the only bloody thing that can play music on my system now beep media player?? what makes it special??
[04:16] <andrewski> underlord: ever looked into mpd?
[04:16] <Riddell> insanekane: kate supports non-latin text fine here, but I'm not much of a user adminitadly, what's the issue?
[04:16] <insanekane> underlord: what abt juk/amarok ?
[04:16] <acidmaxd> underlord: did you install akode-mpeg?
[04:17] <andrewski> underlord: not to totally ignore your question. :P
[04:17] <underlord> juk/amarok skip ever since i installed a nic
[04:17] <insanekane> Riddell: oh many many issues ... beginning with wierd cursor handling ... and no, it doesnt support non-Latin very well
[04:17] <underlord> no, i didnt
[04:17] <andrewski> underlord: well, if you're interested: www.musicpd.org
[04:17] <underlord> i dont use mp3 though, so i wouldnt expect mpeg to be neccisary
[04:17] <insanekane> Riddell: selections not rendering well, non-logical cursor movements, etc etc
[04:17] <acidmaxd> insanekane: i am trying to sign some cyrillic text with KGpg... the result is: ???? ?? ???? ???
[04:17] <underlord> andrewski: i will have a look
[04:17] <insanekane> acidmaxd: change your encoding to utf-8
[04:18] <acidmaxd> insanekane: tried that
[04:18] <insanekane> acidmaxd: whenever you see "???" with unicode it means encoding is incorrect
[04:18] <jude> is there any way to browse or search the list of packages available?
[04:18] <andrewski> anyone have any tips on managing konqueror as brower and filemanager?  i want shortcuts for both in my custom menu, but i don't know how.
[04:18] <Riddell> jude: apt-cache search foo  or kynaptic
[04:18] <insanekane> jude: kynaptic
[04:19] <andrewski> jude: synaptic, if you want more features.
[04:19] <jude> thanks guys
[04:19] <underlord> andrewski: erm, im not trying to make my pc in to a jukebox, i just want the sound to work without skipping, i dont see why mpd would be good
[04:20] <andrewski> underlord: it's just an alternative.  works as a daemon, so when you restart X (or sit in the CLI), you don't have to stop your music.  that's all.
[04:20] <underlord> andrewski: i never sit in cli lol
[04:20] <underlord> im a gui person, konsole is as close as i come
[04:20] <andrewski> underlord: my computer's not a jukebox, but i use it.  very nice, keeps track of your library and updates much more quickly than amarok.
[04:21] <underlord> oh
[04:21] <underlord> can amarok use it? i like amarok's gui alot
[04:21] <andrewski> underlord: even still, if you restart your session, your music keeps on playing.
[04:21] <andrewski> underlord: no, amarok can't.  there are other kde clients though.
[04:21] <smoucheXF> Riddell, why is kynaptic installed by default, as opposed to kpackage?
[04:21] <andrewski> underlord: and gtk, php, CLI, ncurses, python, etc. :P
[04:22] <underlord> someone mentioned akode before - apt describes it as a library for arts - i dont have arts turned on, it makes skipping worse, sound goes straight to alsa
[04:22] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: maybe because kynaptic is debian-specific
[04:22] <insanekane> acidmaxd: before you type, try setting View->Unicode (utf-8) encoding
[04:22] <smoucheXF> isn't kpackage?
[04:22] <acidmaxd> insanekane: just tried that :)
[04:22] <andrewski> smoucheXF: no, can do RPMs and others too.
[04:22] <smoucheXF> ah, thank you
[04:23] <andrewski> so how does one manage konqueror to open as a web browser?
[04:23] <acidmaxd> insanekane: maybe the problem is in the way i use cyrillic on my computer
[04:23] <insanekane> acidmaxd: maybe
[04:23] <DiThi> kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing
[04:23] <acidmaxd> insanekane: directly from X, with Xkboptions
[04:23] <smoucheXF> andrewski, normally it opens in that mode if you "konqueror" in a konsole...
[04:24] <acidmaxd> insanekane: because i would like to switch between groups with Alt+Shift
[04:24] <andrewski> smoucheXF: huh, i just added it to my custom menu from that little picker...
[04:24] <DiThi> hm
[04:24] <DiThi> true
[04:24] <acidmaxd> insanekane: haven't managed to made it under KDE (under GNOME is OK)
[04:25] <smoucheXF> anyway, andrewski, why not just make a launcher to any page you want to start out with, associating konqueror with it?
[04:25] <andrewski> smoucheXF: that's a separate issue, i'd like it to save my sessions, but i don't know if it does that.
[04:27] <acidmaxd> these little annoyances may drive me back to gnome :(
[04:28] <andrewski> yeah, i hear that.  i've never liked the filemanager/browser combination....
[04:28] <andrewski> if it were easier to manage, sure, but O_o
[04:29] <smoucheXF> huh, annoying as hell that konqueror doesn't have a toolbar button for "show hidden files" or a default keybinding for that...
[04:29] <andrewski> well, wouldn't drive me back to gnome, but i'd switch browsers. :P
[04:29] <smoucheXF> I set up a keybinding in kde, but now I have to do it again for xfce
[04:29] <andrewski> DiThi: didn't even see your message. :P
[04:29] <smoucheXF> I wish the konq devs would steal some of rox-filer's great interface features...
[04:30] <apokryphos> err, why is the filemanager/browser combination annoying? 
[04:30] <andrewski> acidmaxd: what's the problem?  keyboard layouts?
[04:30] <andrewski> apokryphos: because i want to open a browser and it keeps opening ~
[04:31] <DiThi> andrewski: put an url
[04:31] <apokryphos> andrewski: that's because you've set "~" as your homepage
[04:31] <DiThi> then save the profile
[04:31] <hunger> andrewski: Put in a url and go and save the profile for webbrowsing.
[04:31] <andrewski> DiThi: i want a menu launcher and i don't want it to open a specific page.
[04:31] <acidmaxd> andrewski: can't switch them with Alt+Shift
[04:31] <andrewski> hunger: i saved it with no windows open; why does it open ~?
[04:31] <apokryphos> don't make it load a specific page then, put "about:konqueror" as the homepage
[04:31] <DiThi> help->konqueror intro
[04:32] <andrewski> acidmaxd: and you scoured the settings?
[04:32] <DiThi> preferences->save profile webbrowsing
[04:32] <acidmaxd> andrewski: or at least with Ctl+Shift
[04:32] <andrewski> DiThi: ok, i'll check it out.
[04:32] <hunger> andrewski: Dunno. It works fine for me.
[04:32] <acidmaxd> andrewski: yes, and searched google for this. other people are also annoyed because of this
[04:33] <andrewski> acidmaxd: dunno, but if you can h/o, i'll check it out.
[04:33] <hunger> andrewski: Maybe it needs some url? Have you tried giving about:konqueror or about:blank?
[04:34] <andrewski> hunger: well, i want it to start up with my last session (if it can save), or with an empty interface.
[04:34] <andrewski> hunger: i'll look into it, but i'm helping an ubuntu newb ATM. :P
[04:35] <apokryphos> Empty interface is do-able, last session page might be
[04:38] <andrewski> how can i manually edit the menu to see exactly what's being launched?
[04:39] <uniq> right-click - edit? 
[04:39] <acidmaxd> anyone managed to use gmail (the full interface, not the plain one) with konqueror?
[04:39] <andrewski> acidmaxd: h/o i'll try.
[04:39] <acidmaxd> andrewski: "h/o" ?
[04:39] <andrewski> uniq: right-click on what?
[04:39] <andrewski> acidmaxd: hold on
[04:40] <uniq> andrewski: the K-menu right? - right click on the menu entry you'd like to edit.
[04:40] <uniq> and edit.
[04:40] <smoucheXF> does anyone know how or if I can create a launcher in a panel that would work the way the calendar applet works, for example?
[04:40] <andrewski> uniq: nope, a custom desktop mesu.
[04:40] <andrewski> *menu
[04:40] <smoucheXF> what I mean is, click once, app appears
[04:40] <smoucheXF> click again, it goes away
[04:40] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: you need an applet for this
[04:41] <uniq> andrewski: ok.
[04:41] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: OR, you could place your programs in the tray
[04:41] <smoucheXF> I'd like to be able to do that with, say, a text file, for quick reference, without having to move the mouse...
[04:41] <andrewski> uniq: i guess i could try to open that in the menu editor, but i dunno which file it is. :)
[04:41] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: right-click on the launcher, Properties, Application, Advanced
[04:41] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: "Place in system tray"
[04:41] <uniq> andrewski: what menu is this?
[04:42] <uniq> or what is it.
[04:42] <smoucheXF> acidmaxd, the tray - yeah, that might work.... thanks
[04:42] <andrewski> uniq: i made a short menu (a la xfce) that activates on right-click on the desktop.  added launchers inside control center.
[04:43] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: create a launcher executing for example: "kate mytextfile.txt" and place it in the system tray
[04:43] <andrewski> uniq: added everything as if it were a menu entry, so i didn't actually see what's being launched beneath the surface.
[04:43] <andrewski> acidmaxd: what do you mean, full interface?
[04:44] <uniq> andrewski: ahh.. understand.. 
[04:44] <smoucheXF> andrewski, do you know how I can get xfce to swap the the left button for the middle button for accessing the window menu on the desktop?  
[04:44] <andrewski> smoucheXF: don't think you can... #xfce <--!
[04:44] <andrewski> :)
[04:44] <smoucheXF> thanks, acidmaxd !
[04:45] <acidmaxd> andrewski: gmail has two interfaces - a plain HTML one (working on Konqueror) and JavaScript-rich one, not working in Konqueror
[04:46] <smoucheXF> andrewski, I hate having to hit two mouse/touchpad buttons at once!
[04:46] <andrewski> acidmaxd: how do i switch?
[04:47] <acidmaxd> andrewski: http://gmail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser or http://gmail.google.com/gmail?nobrowsercheck
[04:47] <acidmaxd> andrewski: you can login to the full interface that way, and the result is that nothing is working
[04:47] <smoucheXF> hmmm, funny, I thought gmail automatically adjusted itself to the browser, with a nag -- anyway, it works fine with elinks, text only (except attachments...)
[04:47] <andrewski> acidmaxd: it loads for me
[04:48] <acidmaxd> andrewski: clicking on Inbox does nothing
[04:48] <andrewski> acidmaxd: ah, yes.  same here.
[04:49] <insanekane> Riddell: LOL
[04:49] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: yeah, plain old non-JS slow interface for Konqueror, rich, fast interface for MSIE/Opera/Mozilla
[04:49] <insanekane> Riddell: see KubuntuInternational on kubuntu main page
[04:51] <smoucheXF> acidmaxd, I love opera, but for some reason it just looks awful on kubuntu for me, don't know how to fix that.  Hideous.
[04:52] <andrewski> smoucheXF: yeah, same here.  you'd think it'd use kde styles or something. :/
[04:52] <andrewski> smoucheXF: and for you, are the fonts really small?
[04:52] <amiroff> andrewski, and kioslaves would be nice too :)
[04:52] <andrewski> amiroff: what are thosee?
[04:52] <andrewski> *those
[04:53] <smoucheXF> yes, andrewski, and ragged looking.  It was easy to get the fonts looking decent in firefox, but opera, yuck.  I gave up.
[04:53] <amiroff> well, to open diffrent stuff from different media or remote media
[04:53] <andrewski> amiroff: hmm.
[04:54] <amiroff> andrewski, so say, you could open a html file from a samba share
[04:54] <andrewski> amiroff: ah, i see.  frankly, if it would just theme correctly, at least that'd be a place to start.
[04:55] <amiroff> andrewski, don't you like konqueror?
[04:55] <smoucheXF> hmm, I think someone was explaining to me that the absence of a kioslave was the reason that rox-filer couldn't browse my samba shares... 
[04:55] <amiroff> it's really good these months
[04:55] <amiroff> smoucheXF, rox-filer does not have kioslaves support, that's natural
[04:55] <smoucheXF> amiroff, I would love konqueror, if it didn't freakin' crash on me all the time
[04:56] <amiroff> only kde apps have one
[04:56] <smoucheXF> that's what I meant, amiroff, just noting that I was beginning to understand the kioslave concept... ;-)
[04:56] <andrewski> amiroff: kinda.  i appreciate the configurability, but there are some things i miss.
[04:56] <amiroff> smoucheXF, interesting, it does not crash on me, maybe I did not stress test it enough :)
[04:57] <smoucheXF> it's a problem that only seems to happen to a select few...
[04:57] <amiroff> if only firefox was not so unresponsive and slow,
[04:57] <smoucheXF> acidmaxd, you still there?  
[04:57] <smoucheXF> ;-)
[04:57] <amiroff> it's much much faster and responsive on windows damn it :(
[04:57] <Tm_T> uffff
[04:57] <smoucheXF> amiroff, you're right about firefox! that's aggravating
[04:58] <Tm_T> what!?
[04:58] <Tm_T> FF is light and fast!
[04:58] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: yes
[04:59] <amiroff> Tm_T, are you OK budd?
[04:59] <andrewski> amiroff: opera is kinda the perfect browser for me, but its attempts to be OS-general makes it kinda hard to look consistent with any environment.
[04:59] <amiroff> Tm_T, what's so fast about firefox? it lags here like turtle
[04:59] <smoucheXF> amiroff, I think there's stuff on the wiki about changing some config stuff for firefox that perks it up a lot
[04:59] <andrewski> amiroff: but i'm using it. :P
[05:00] <acidmaxd> andrewski: Plastik + Freestyle on Opera looks good
[05:00] <amiroff> smoucheXF, I nkow, disabling ipv6 will make it load sites faster, but I am talking about interface slowness
[05:00] <acidmaxd> Opera 8 beta 3 crashes from time to time
[05:00] <andrewski> acidmaxd: i can't get it to look like plastik... how'd you do it?
[05:00] <acidmaxd> most notably when logging out from gmail
[05:00] <smoucheXF> andrewski, I much preferred earlier versions of opera, and the themers have gone insane.  horrible themes, I had to really dig for a skin that wouldn't make the freakin' scrollbar flash at me.  Hate that crap
[05:00] <Riddell> acidmaxd: freestyle?
[05:00] <acidmaxd> Riddell: freestyle the opera style :)
[05:00] <andrewski> smoucheXF: well, i just want it to look like KDE. :P
[05:01] <smoucheXF> I prefer non kde apps to not look like kde, myself, andrewski!  
[05:01] <andrewski> what i don't get is that the "Windows" skin (which really means 'native' == Qt) looks like crap.
[05:01] <acidmaxd> Kicker is silver-gray and Freestyle is like that
[05:01] <andrewski> smoucheXF: ok.
[05:02] <smoucheXF> heh heh, great thing about linux, to each their own --;-)
[05:02] <acidmaxd> smoucheXF: the most beautiful and simple Opera skin is Fresh
[05:02] <andrewski> smoucheXF: kinda, but opera can't show native qt well. :/
[05:03] <acidmaxd> andrewski: looks like Qt 1.x :)
[05:03] <andrewski> acidmaxd: ah, is that it?
[05:03] <smoucheXF> alright  guys, darn, now you're making me want to get opera again, what the hell, why not -- I love the keyboard shortcuts!
[05:03] <andrewski> acidmaxd: hmm, any way to get one that will use ubuntu's qt?
[05:03] <acidmaxd> Opera is good but i missed the integration of Konqueror with the rest of the KDE stuff (Kaffeine, AmaroK)
[05:04] <andrewski> smoucheXF: and rocker gestures, flexible interface, etc. :P
[05:04] <acidmaxd> andrewski: tried a couple of native themes, none managed to make it right
[05:04] <smoucheXF> and real full screen, and one touch enlargement !
[05:05] <smoucheXF> opera is great for reading long html docs, ebooks and so forth...
[05:06] <andrewski> smoucheXF: you can do that?!
[05:06] <smoucheXF> oops
[05:06] <smoucheXF> no, heh heh, you can't! 
[05:06] <smoucheXF> I forgot, need to get it from opera site... heh heh
[05:06] <andrewski> acidmaxd: well, where did you get yours?  i got mine from debian.
[05:07] <andrewski> no no, from opera's site. :P
[05:07] <acidmaxd> there are .debs on opera's site
[05:07] <acidmaxd> but please download Opera 8 beta 3
[05:07] <acidmaxd> 7.5 is a mess
[05:08] <andrewski> acidmaxd: well, do they use qt 1.2?  maybe that's the problem....
[05:09] <acidmaxd> andrewski: they use the available Qt if you choose shared version
[05:09] <andrewski> hmm, opera depends on libqt3c102... is that current?
[05:09] <shmoolik> hello i need a little help plz :) i want to get the trash back  to the DeskTOP how can i do that ?
[05:09] <insanekane> andrewski: it looks like it
[05:10] <andrewski> then why does it look like crap?
[05:10] <shmoolik> what looks like crap andrewski  ?
[05:10] <uniq> shmoolik: make a link to url trash:/
[05:11] <Beineri> uniq: wrong
[05:11] <andrewski> shmoolik: opera's native skin
[05:11] <uniq> beineri: ok, maybe not the proper way.. but it works.
[05:11] <Beineri> uniq: no, it doesn't
[05:11] <uniq> yes it does.
[05:11] <uniq> i've just tested.
[05:11] <shmoolik> =\ i dont'  use opera sorry can't help =\ andrewski 
[05:11] <uniq> you can empty it and all.
[05:11] <Beineri> uniq: it doesn't reflect the trash's state correctly
[05:11] <shmoolik> thanks uniq 
[05:11] <andrewski> shmoolik: that's ok, i didn't ask. :P
[05:12] <uniq> beineri: ahh.. correct.
[05:12] <uniq> shmoolik: did you get that? 
[05:12] <shmoolik> uniq, yeah but it does not work =\
[05:13] <acidmaxd> Beineri: so, which is the correct way?
[05:13] <Beineri> shmoolik: generally 'cp $KDEDIR/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash ~/Desktop/"
[05:14] <shmoolik> Beineri,  but i can just link it right ?
[05:15] <acidmaxd> Beineri: acidmax@dev:~/Desktop$ ls
[05:15] <acidmaxd> directory.autostart  directory.desktop  directory.templates  directory.trash
[05:15] <acidmaxd> but there is nothin on my Desktop :(
[05:15] <Beineri> shmoolik: why?
[05:15] <andrewski> acidmaxd: did you turn icons off?
[05:15] <acidmaxd> no
[05:15] <acidmaxd> "Show icons on desktop" is checked
[05:15] <Beineri> shmoolik: sorry, cp $KDEDIR/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash ~/Desktop/trash.desktop
[05:15] <shmoolik> i dont' want  to 
[05:16] <shmoolik> i don't want to "hurt" my orginal settings 
[05:16] <acidmaxd> ah...
[05:16] <shmoolik> cp: cannot stat `/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash': No such file or directory*
[05:17] <andrewski> does konqueror save sessions?
[05:17] <uniq> shmoolik: /usr/share.... and so on.
[05:17] <Beineri> shmoolik: cp /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash ~/Desktop/trash.desktop
[05:17] <acidmaxd> still nothing on the Desktop
[05:18] <joe_> are you just now talking about how to get the trashcan onto the desktop?
[05:18] <uniq> yes..
[05:18] <joe_> Because I am wondering about that too.
[05:18] <acidmaxd> i would like Home too
[05:18] <shmoolik> oh... DAMN me i thought that $KDEDIR takes me to kde folder =\
[05:19] <acidmaxd> cp /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash /home/acidmax/Desktop/trash.desktop
[05:19] <acidmaxd> acidmax@dev:~/Desktop$ ls
[05:19] <acidmaxd> trash.desktop
[05:19] <acidmaxd> sorry, nothing!
[05:19] <shmoolik> i have thanks  
[05:19] <uniq> then you'll have to enable icons on the desktop.. i guess.
[05:20] <acidmaxd> uniq: they are enabled
[05:20] <uniq> refresh your desktop? 
[05:20] <acidmaxd> another strange thing - the new on-mouse-over beauties dissapeared
[05:20] <shmoolik> may b u need to restart your X .......
[05:22] <Beineri> dunno then, maybe it caused by the way the Kubuntu packages are patched to not show the trash on the desktop initially...
[05:22] <acidmaxd> Riddell: is there any way to remove Kubuntu's KDM theme? I would like a standart one
[05:22] <shmoolik> one little thingy plz... does any one here knows whats the name of the package that fix the  gtk+ to qt ?
[05:22] <uniq> acidmaxd: control center.
[05:22] <Riddell> acidmaxd: edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[05:23] <Beineri> shmoolik: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt or alike
[05:23] <joe_> What I am doing so far is to make trash:/ a bookmark, so I can access it via konqueror
[05:23] <shmoolik> thanks Beineri 
[05:23] <shmoolik> :))
[05:23] <Riddell> shmoolik: you also need to remove the Hidden=true in trash.desktop
[05:24] <shmoolik> how can i do that Riddell ?
[05:24] <acidmaxd> Riddell: this one: Preloader=/usr/bin/preloadkde  ?
[05:24] <Riddell> shmoolik: open it in your favourite text editor
[05:24] <Riddell> acidmaxd: err no, the one about the Theme
[05:25] <joe_> this one:  Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu
[05:25] <Riddell> or just UseTheme
[05:25] <Beineri> joe_: bookmark? There is Go/Trash
[05:25] <joe_> there is?
[05:25] <joe_> doh
[05:25] <Cloney> Hmm, will 4.3Gb fit a relatively compact Ubuntu distribution nicely?
[05:26] <Riddell> hmm, Go->Wastebin needs in icon
[05:26] <joe_> I feel so stupid all of a sudden.
[05:26] <[fab] > joe_: no dude
[05:26] <acidmaxd> Riddell: thanks a lot
[05:26] <gdh> Cloney: Yes
[05:26] <Beineri> Riddell: what bastard added a Hidden=True there? ;-)
[05:27] <gdh> Cloney: normal install levels out at 1.5G, so you'l have plentyof space for data.
[05:27] <Riddell> Beineri: dunno, must have been someone desperatly trying to remove the desktop Wastebin icon :)
[05:27] <shmoolik> Riddell,  should i just commant the line?
[05:27] <Riddell> shmoolik: aye
[05:28] <Beineri> Riddell: damn Ubuntu-look-alike contest :-)
[05:28] <uniq> hehe :)
[05:28] <acidmaxd> Konqueror crashed when I changed Hidden=false to true
[05:28] <andrewski> so, i ask again: does anyone know any way to have my GTK settings (themes and fonts) loaded in KDE?
[05:28] <acidmaxd> #4  0xb7c736e9 in QMap<KIO::ListJob*, KDirLister::KDirListerPrivate::JobData>::detachInternal () and so on...
[05:28] <Cloney> gdh: ta, just sizing a Virtual PC disk.
[05:29] <Riddell> andrewski: not possible.  you're doing it the wrong way around, install gtk-qt theme and set gtk to use qt settings
[05:29] <andrewski> Riddell: sorry, i just want them loaded for GTK programs.  that's not too much to ask, is it? ;)
[05:29] <SpookyET> hi
[05:29] <andrewski> Riddell: i'd probably use gtk-qt if it didn't trash my theming in gnome/xfce. :)
[05:29] <SpookyET> I downloaded Kubuntu.  If I want to play with Gnome, is it easily installable over Kubuntu?
[05:30] <gdh> SpookyET: Yes.
[05:30] <Beineri> Riddell: maybe you can also read the "wastebin" mail on kde-artists? :-)
[05:30] <acidmaxd> SpookyET: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:30] <uniq> andrewski: you can always start gnome-settings-deamon or what it's called.. to get your gtk-apps look like in gnome.. 
[05:31] <andrewski> uniq: ok, i'll try that, thanks.
[05:31] <Riddell> Beineri: yes, it's there along with 916 other unprocessed e-mails.  I'll get back to icon administration someday
[05:32] <Riddell> [fab] : fancy taking over maintainership of Umbrello?
[05:32] <andrewski> uniq: hmm, it loads the background too.  blech.
[05:32] <[fab] > Riddell: go away Riddell 
[05:32] <[fab] > no!
[05:32] <[fab] > :)
[05:32] <Riddell> oh well, worth a shot :)
[05:33] <Beineri> Riddell: did you ask Oliver? :-)
[05:33] <shmoolik> thanks man u helpd me alot :)) 
[05:33] <uniq> andrewski: hum.. then i don't know.
[05:33] <andrewski> uniq: it's ok, i'll put up with the default widgets.
[05:33] <Riddell> Beineri: oliver wants to leave too :(  taking up too much of his time bless him
[05:34] <Riddell> also somebody has to keep an eye on the hundreds of lines of code he writes each week
[05:34] <acidmaxd> i will reinstall kubuntu, so konqueror might eventyally disappear. bye for now!
[05:34] <acidmaxd> :)
[05:35] <andrewski> crap, must restart to get settings back...
[05:42] <andrewski> why doesn't kubuntu human cursor theme work on all types of cursors (e.g. window resizing)?
[05:42] <Riddell> andrewski: tis a good question
[05:42] <andrewski> Riddell: should i file a bugreport about that too? :)
[05:43] <Riddell> the cursor theme was kinday last minute, I didn't do it very thoughly (e.g. kdm doesn't have it)
[05:43] <Riddell> andrewski: yes please
[05:43] <andrewski> Riddell: you're such a friendly dev. :)
[05:44] <jude> isn't it based on the jimmac theme?
[05:44] <jude> why not just use that?
[05:44] <andrewski> jude: industrial IIRC.
[05:44] <scotdb> Can kubuntu work like "Mandrake Move" (using a USB to store a /home) ?
[05:45] <test> Hi
[05:45] <andrewski> jude: i'm assuming that the kubuntu theme was made because there wasn't one that looked like this for kde.  fair assumption?
[05:45] <andrewski> test: hi
[05:45] <Riddell> jude: isn't what?
[05:45] <andrewski> scotdb: i don't see why not.
[05:46] <test> A question for org : how can you edit the start resolution of xorg ? It starts with 1024 75HZ and switches to 1024 60Hz as I chose it in KDE ...
[05:46] <mluser-home> Does anyone know what the root password is for the live cd version of Kubuntu?
[05:46] <test> hi andrewski
[05:46] <Riddell> mluser-home: there is none
[05:46] <jude> andrewski: ah right - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6550
[05:46] <jude> jimmac :)
[05:46] <test> hi jude
[05:46] <mluser-home> So how is one supposed to change system settings?
[05:46] <jude> hi test
[05:46] <mluser-home> Like changing the network settings
[05:46] <andrewski> jude: tell Riddell; maybe that'll help resolve it.
[05:47] <jude> okay - hey, Riddell...
[05:47] <Riddell> well I just stole it from Human, don't know where they stole it from
[05:47] <shogouki> :)
[05:47] <jude> hehe
[05:47] <mluser-home> Riddell: I'm trying to bring up eth0 using ifconfig, but I need root priviledges
[05:47] <andrewski> Riddell: i don't think it's stolen, just b0rked.
[05:47] <Riddell> mluser-home: sudo ifup eth0
[05:47] <scotdb> andrewski : I guess I need to work out how to make /home/ubuntu mount as a USB separately ?
[05:47] <mluser-home> Ahhh, ok.. thanks :D
[05:47] <andrewski> scotdb: yes, AFAIK.
[05:48] <andrewski> scotdb: except i think you mean /home/username?
[05:48] <scotdb> andrewski : I've just booted off the live CD and it seems to boot into a user called ubuntu 
[05:49] <andrewski> scotdb: oh, i see.  i thought you meant on an ubuntu installation.
[05:49] <scotdb> No, I'm talking live CD : so I can go to any machine anywhere and still have all my settings and files !!!
[05:49] <andrewski> scotdb: oh, so you want an entire ubuntu installation on a usb drive?
[05:50] <gdh> andrewski: no, jsut his homedir :)
[05:50] <smouche> dammit, I'm beginning to miss nautilus, konqueror hates me so much...
[05:50] <shogouki> juste the home
[05:50] <scotdb> gdh : exactly
[05:50] <gdh> that's been a KNOPPIX feature for years
[05:50] <scotdb> So I can carry my environment with me as a CD and a USB key !!!
[05:50] <andrewski> ah, i see!
[05:50] <shogouki> that would be great
[05:50] <andrewski> i think it'd be great to have it all on just a usb key. :P
[05:51] <gdh> scotdb: That isn't difficult to do - just needs a couple of symlinks..
[05:52] <scotdb> andrewski : I guess that would be possible with the latest 1 gig keys (of course I'd need to know how to boot from a USB key too)
[05:52] <smouche> why does konqueror segfault so much?
[05:52] <andrewski> scotdb: yeah, i think you need a floppy/cd to do that, unless you have a really new computer. ;P
[05:52] <andrewski> smouche: you getting backtraces and reporting them?
[05:52] <Rumo> Hi, is there someone who can help me with a kaffeine related problem?
[05:52] <andrewski> Rumo: ask away.
[05:53] <Rumo> Kaffeine crashes when I try to open a second file
[05:53] <scotdb> andrewski : I have a really new computer <G> : but lack the knowledge
[05:54] <andrewski> scotdb: mine's four years old and i lack the knowledge too.  you beat me. :P
[05:54] <mth`MAW> Hi Folks
[05:54] <hayden> whats the a good program to edit c programs with?
[05:54] <smouche> it's already reported as bug 8009, with some dupes.  Should I report anyway, andrewski?
[05:55] <andrewski> smouche: no, i don't think so.
[05:55] <scotdb> andrewski : I have one of those too : I now call it my home server : just thinking that I can't be guaranteed that the out-of-town locations would have that "new computer"
[05:55] <shogouki> scotdb: just change the boot sequence in bios, i think
[05:55] <Rumo> Has someone here problems with kaffeine in hoary, too?
[05:55] <andrewski> hayden: kvim?
[05:55] <hayden> gui?
[05:55] <MAWSpitau> K-vim has a gui
[05:55] <andrewski> Rumo: it crashes for me too.
[05:55] <shogouki> kdevelop ?
[05:56] <hayden> ok
[05:56] <andrewski> Rumo: seems like we should report this. :)
[05:56] <smouche> I don't think bug 8009 is getting much attention; it seems to occur to very few people...
[05:56] <andrewski> smouche: well, if that's your problem, it's only going to irritate the devs to post another.
[05:56] <smouche> yep
[05:56] <Rumo> probably
[05:57] <andrewski> Rumo: you want to?
[05:57] <Beineri> kvim is dead
[05:57] <andrewski> Beineri: huh?
[05:57] <andrewski> smouche: but if you have more information to add, that's always a good way to poke the devs/CCers.
[05:57] <Beineri> andrewski: let me try to remember its "new" name ;-)
[05:57] <Rumo> I've never done that before, so - ok I'll do it
[05:57] <jude> i have just connected a compact flash card reader - it popped up an icon, i clicked on it to get at the files, no worries. Now I can't see how to unmount it - there's nothing in the right-click menu that offers me the option...
[05:57] <shogouki> kvim has problems with accents (french version) :/
[05:58] <jude> how do I unmount the CF?
[05:58] <smouche> yeah, I'll add some comments to the thread, just confirming the other guys stuff, with variations...
[05:58] <andrewski> Rumo: well, i'm reporting two currently. :)  bugzilla.ubuntu.com, make sure you paste the backtrace.  let me know if you need help.
[05:58] <andrewski> Rumo: (it's good to learn how to report bugs.)
[05:58] <Rumo> ok, thank you
[05:58] <Beineri> andrewski: http://www.yzis.org/ , http://dot.kde.org/1109040670/
[05:58] <andrewski> shogouki: unicode?
[05:58] <shogouki> andrewski: pb append in kvum menus
[05:59] <Rumo> first question: should I report it to kde.org or to ubuntu.com?
[05:59] <andrewski> Rumo: good question.  Riddell?
[05:59] <smouche> thank god I turned off that awful breaking glass error alert sound; I'd be batty by now...
[05:59] <andrewski> smouche: yeah, no kidding.
[06:00] <smouche> that  thing could induce a heart attack.
[06:00] <andrewski> Beineri: meh.  vim's not dead.
[06:00] <Beineri> andrewski: i talked about kvim
[06:00] <smouche> heh, vim and vigor, eh.  not vim and, er, rigor...
[06:00] <andrewski> Beineri: hmm, so yzis is just another 'frontend' for vim?
[06:00] <andrewski> Beineri: albeit a better one?
[06:01] <Beineri> andrewski: no frontend, new editor I believe
[06:01] <jude> how do I unmount a cf card?
[06:01] <shogouki> it provides kparts iirc
[06:01] <Rumo> andrewski - someone else reported the bug at kaffeine.sourceforge.net already
[06:01] <andrewski> Rumo: add yourself to the CC and call it a day. :)
[06:01] <andrewski> (if you want to, that is.)
[06:03] <smouche> sorry, not to sound ungrateful to the wonderful developers, and I'm not a techie, but, how can a distro be declared "stable" when a major component segfaults constantly, even if for only some users?
[06:03] <andrewski> smouche: it's hard to uncover all bugs for all users.
[06:04] <andrewski> smouche: perhaps the problem is a unique combination of configuration options, the theme you're using, the files you're trying to view, etc.
[06:04] <smouche> It didn't need to be uncovered, the bug was reported, andrewski! and if it couldn't be solved, then how is it a "stable" version?
[06:05] <andrewski> smouche: i'm not commenting on the stability of (k)ubuntu.... ;)
[06:05] <smouche> if the file browser is vulnerable to all that, andrewski, it doesn't speak well of the file manager...
[06:05] <andrewski> smouche: well, you conclude from that what you will. :P
[06:05] <andrewski> smouche: and i don't know about that bug, could you post a link?
[06:06] <smouche> I'm just pissed cause all this konqueror angst reminds me too much of windows
[06:06] <andrewski> Riddell: ping?  which package has the kubuntu cursors?
[06:06] <smouche> just a sec, andrewski
[06:06] <jude> konqueror is sorting files before dirs - can I reverse that? (I use text view)
[06:06] <andrewski> smouche: understood.  sorry you're having trouble; konq (when working) is quite nice.
[06:06] <smouche> andrewski:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-March/000145.html
[06:08] <andrewski> smouche: vid card/driver?
[06:08] <smouche> There are workarounds and possible leads in that thread, but I wish it would just work out of the box!  ok, I'm done whining now.
[06:08] <Rumo> anyone out there who uses lirc?
[06:08] <smouche> andrewski, nvidia, default driver -- I don't think it's my hardware, someone with a completely different configuration had exactly the same issues
[06:08] <andrewski> smouche: did you have the problems mentioned about previews?
[06:09] <andrewski> smouche: ok, i've just had lots of problems with apps crashing with the nvidia drivers.
[06:09] <smouche> yep
[06:09] <andrewski> smouche: what about https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009#c8 ?
[06:10] <smouche> ok, thanks for sympathizing, andrewski -- I'll try a new driver, hope for the best ...
[06:10] <andrewski> smouche: well, try other things first.
[06:10] <andrewski> smouche: i just turned off RenderAccel and i'm good.
[06:10] <smouche> is that in xorg.conf, andrewski?
[06:11] <andrewski> smouche: yeah, but you should know if you have it enabled.  it's part of the compositing support.
[06:11] <smouche> hmm, that page doesn't want to load, andrewski...
[06:11] <andrewski> smouche: it's just the 8th comment of that bug you gave me.
[06:11] <martx> hi there how can i get the ATI 3d drivers?
[06:11] <smouche> thanks andrewski!
[06:12] <andrewski> smouche: check it out, it's possibly a way to hone in on the problem.
[06:12] <smouche> andrewski:  will do.
[06:12] <Rumo> andrewski - you're not talking about kaffeine right now, are you? I installed the new nvidia drivers yesterday...
[06:12] <andrewski> Rumo: well, that could be it.  you and/or i could try restarting X with the nv driver....
[06:13] <andrewski> Rumo: not a bad idea. :)
[06:13] <Rumo> hmm, ok Ill do it
[06:13] <Rumo> see you in a few minutes
[06:14] <andrewski> Rumo: ok.
[06:15] <andrewski> apokryphos: but if bob2 wants us to talk in here, we may as well.
[06:16] <apokryphos> If it's not kubuntu-specific, then it doesn't really need to be in here, but it could be. Either is fine.
[06:17] <crimsun> andrewski: find the name of a cursor file, then dpkg -S it
[06:18] <andrewski> crimsun: ah, good point.
[06:18] <\sh> guys...is there a metapackage for kde development in the hoary repos?
[06:18] <andrewski> crimsun: you're everywhere! :P
[06:18] <\sh> i need to install all kde-headers etc.
[06:18] <smouche> andrewski, I don't have any entries in xorg.conf for "RenderAccel" ...
[06:19] <Beineri> \sh: kde-devel
[06:19] <hayden> how do i get a graphical grub menu?
[06:19] <andrewski> smouche: ok.  that's not it then. :P
[06:19] <Rumo> andrewski - still same problems with kaffeine
[06:19] <andrewski> Rumo: ok, that's not it then. :P
[06:19] <\sh> Beineri: for kde 3.4 and kubuntu?
[06:20] <andrewski> crimsun: still getting used to package management in ubuntu; i found it much easier in gentoo.
[06:20] <crimsun> it's definitely different.
[06:20] <andrewski> crimsun: yeah, apt-cache, dpkg, and apt-get.  all that stuff was combined into gentoo's emerge.
[06:20] <andrewski> *most* of that stuff, to be fair.
[06:21] <Beineri> \sh: sure
[06:21] <crimsun> the deity guys prefer separating things
[06:22] <andrewski> crimsun: deity ~ debian?
[06:22] <crimsun> while it's nice to have a single entry point for package management, I tend to agree that separating them out is preferable
[06:22] <andrewski> \sh: kde or kde-base
[06:22] <crimsun> andrewski: deity is the dpkg list, also includes apt
[06:22] <andrewski> crimsun: i suppose, it just makes the learning curve look a little different.
[06:22] <andrewski> crimsun: ah.
[06:22] <andrewski> where are kde cursors installed?
[06:23] <crimsun> if I had kubuntu-desktop installed, it would be easier ;)
[06:23] <\sh> Beineri: have it...if i install kdevelop3 i will get at least the things i need :)
[06:23] <apokryphos> andrewski: you're overexaggerating the issue. If you put the wrong package it's not the end of the world, they'll change it. 
[06:24] <andrewski> apokryphos: ok, i'll stop. :)
[06:24] <Bicchi> i am trying to delete a group of folders that are part of root, but i can not login as root. how can i do so
[06:24] <_ReDRuM_> kpdf wont view pdfs i make with ghostscript but acroread (which is broken in the repo) will :/
[06:24] <_ReDRuM_> any non-acrobat alternative available?
[06:24] <apokryphos> Bicchi: you can use sudo in terminal
[06:24] <_ReDRuM_> kpdf.... what else?
[06:25] <Bicchi> apokryphos: but i get the directory not empty message
[06:25] <apokryphos> Bicchi: so use the appropriate option with rm; i.e. -r (in this case)
[06:25] <apokryphos> be careful with it though ;-). It'll remove all the contents of that folder
[06:27] <Bicchi> apokryphos: yes, it work
[06:27] <jude> is there a way to make konqueror in file mode to show dirs before files?
[06:27] <apokryphos> :)
[06:27] <uniq> _redrum_: kghostview
[06:27] <Bicchi> apokryphos: thanks
[06:27] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[06:27] <_ReDRuM_> i think kpdf maybe doesnt like embedded fonts?
[06:27] <apokryphos> jude: View > Sort > Folders first
[06:27] <jude> apokryphos: terrific thanks
[06:28] <coreymon77> hello
[06:28] <coreymon77> does anyone remember me
[06:28] <apokryphos> should we? :P
[06:29] <coreymon77> does anyone remeber me from last night
[06:29] <coreymon77> i was the one talking with redrum about the kde problem
[06:29] <jude> apokryphos: that option isn't there when konq is in text view
[06:30] <apokryphos> jude: text view? Do you mean tree view?
[06:30] <coreymon77> is redrum here?
[06:30] <\sh> hmm...whats missing are the xorg development files...whats the name of the package?
[06:30] <jude> apokryphos: nope View > View Mode > Text View
[06:31] <apokryphos> jude: eek, that is ugly :P. It's not supported because it sorts things differently there. You can group all folders together, but I doubt youc an have folders first
[06:32] <jude> apokryphos: it's been my default mode since kde 3 and always had dirs first until kubuntu
[06:32] <apokryphos> \sh: libx11-dev
[06:33] <\sh> apokryphos: after searching x-window-system-dev ;)
[06:33] <apokryphos> the one I mentioned there is the x headers...
[06:33] <apokryphos> jude: odd. Trying to think how it would be done...
[06:33] <\sh> apokryphos: oh ok :)
[06:34] <apokryphos> Ah, the one mentioned there was the metapackage; it likely pulls in the one I mentioned anyhow.
[06:35] <_P_> apokryphos: no upgrade for  some  days  or  is  it  my  problem ?
[06:35] <apokryphos> jude: this is odd. It puts folders all together at the bottom, but seems to refuse to put 'em at the top
[06:35] <tim_h_> Hello All
[06:35] <tim_h_> I plan to switch 50+ Desktop PC from Debian testing to (k)ubuntu. Usually I deploy Debian with a refernce install copy it over using knoppix to the PCs HD. Will this work with kubuntu as well or are there any traps (Hardwaredetection)? The PCs have different Hardware.
[06:35] <jude> apokryphos: indeed - it's been bugging the hell out of me :)
[06:35] <apokryphos> _P_: nope. There was a small freeze period for hoary, and it's no longer "in developement" now, remember :P
[06:35] <uniq> jude: would be great if you post it on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:36] <_P_> thanks 
[06:36] <_P_> so  we ll wait  for new  name  and new  devel repository
[06:36] <uniq> :)
[06:37] <abbas> how can  setup java for ppc
[06:37] <Blissex> abbas: thats a good question... I doubt that Sun does PPC Java stuff. But I would guess that IBM has PPC Java VMs.
[06:38] <Blissex> abbas: and I think that BEA also has PPC Java VMs.
[06:38] <apokryphos> jude: have you tried 3.4 on anything other than Kubuntu? Was the problem there?
[06:38] <jude> this is my first 3.4
[06:38] <_ReDRuM_> is it possible to create sparse files on reiser?
[06:38] <membreya> hmmm what would people recommend...koffice or oo.o?
[06:38] <Blissex> tim_h_: have a look at Debian's FAI package, it probably works with Ubuntu too.
[06:39] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: oo personally...
[06:39] <apokryphos> jude: It might be worth asking in #kde whether others have that problem, so you know whether to post on bugzilla.ubuntu.com or bugs.kde.org
[06:39] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: AFAIK possible but not advisable
[06:39] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: how? the dd trick just made me a 4 gig file
[06:39] <membreya> dd trick ? :)
[06:40] <tim_h_> Blissex: Thanks. But FAI is for different reasons not an option for me.
[06:40] <_ReDRuM_> dd if=/dev/zero of=sparsefile bs=1M count=1 seek=1024
[06:40] <uniq> membreya: for real office work with windows cooperation i'd recommend oo.o.
[06:40] <_ReDRuM_> cept with 4gig not 1mb
[06:41] <_ReDRuM_> thats apparantly supposed to make a sparse file
[06:41] <coreymon77> redrum: hi again@
[06:41] <coreymon77> !
[06:41] <_ReDRuM_> seen it in several places saying it makes sparse files...
[06:41] <_ReDRuM_> coreymon77: where did you go last night? :)
[06:41] <coreymon77> where did you go?
[06:41] <membreya> ok uniq just that OO.o 2 doesn't work on amd64
[06:41] <coreymon77> they told me you went to sleep
[06:42] <_ReDRuM_> you left then i went and watched deadwood
[06:42] <_ReDRuM_> i did after watching deadwood
[06:42] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[06:42] <coreymon77> you told me to join #flood
[06:42] <coreymon77> so i did
[06:42] <_ReDRuM_> but not to leave here?
[06:42] <_ReDRuM_> ...
[06:42] <_ReDRuM_> anyway
[06:42] <coreymon77> and then you left
[06:42] <_ReDRuM_> did you get whatever was the problem fixed?
[06:42] <coreymon77> redrum: i was in konsole you idot
[06:43] <_ReDRuM_> your the idiot
[06:43] <coreymon77> i could only be in one channel at a time
[06:43] <_ReDRuM_> thats bs
[06:43] <_ReDRuM_> you can be in multiple channels at once
[06:43] <coreymon77> whatever
[06:43] <coreymon77> what ive decided to do
[06:43] <coreymon77> is get the ubuntu iso
[06:43] <coreymon77> make sure that works
[06:43] <coreymon77> and then install kubuntu via apt in ubuntu
[06:44] <lao_v> hi guys..how can i join kubuntupeople?
[06:44] <coreymon77> whenever i connected to one channel
[06:44] <coreymon77> i disconnected from the other
[06:45] <apokryphos> lao_v:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu
[06:45] <_ReDRuM_> oh wait
[06:45] <_ReDRuM_> the sparse file trick is working :)
[06:45] <_ReDRuM_> n/m
[06:46] <lao_v> yes..but how do i add my name there?
[06:47] <apokryphos> lao_v: oh, if you're helping out already, then you can just edit the wiki page
[06:47] <abbas> kubuntu recognise my usb camera and teh icone is on the deskop but i can't mount it
[06:47] <apokryphos> lao_v:  need to sign in with your account
[06:47] <coreymon77> redrum: so will that work?
[06:48] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know, must be my idiocy
[06:48] <lao_v> thanks apokryphos
[06:49] <abbas> kubuntu recognise my usb camera and teh icone is on the deskop but i can't mount it
[06:52] <andrewski> how do i turn off the menu shadows?
[06:53] <tim_h_> any idee why gwenview doesnt use my default language (German)?
[06:53] <jude> andrewski:  kcontrol > style
[06:54] <andrewski> jude: thanks!
[06:54] <smouche> hey, andrewski, as that bug report thread indicated, the culprit (one of them anyway) does indeed seem to be the navigation panel...
[06:54] <jude> andrewski: it's under effects
[06:54] <smouche> losing that pane does seem to help a lot...
[06:54] <andrewski> jude: yeah, i found it.  i expected it to be searchable. :P
[06:54] <andrewski> smouche: hey, great.
[06:55] <smouche> took me  a while to figure out how to get konqueror to open the way I want (or rather, the way I'll settle for) by default..
[06:55] <andrewski> smouche: yeah, i'm still getting there too.  where did you read about it?
[06:56] <smouche> andrewski, now I just hope that that change clears up the random konqi segfaults too...
[06:56] <smouche> andrewski, you mean setting default views for konqueror?
[06:57] <andrewski> smouche: yeah.  i'd want one for web browsing and one for filemanagement.
[06:57] <smouche> in the main toolbar, "Settings"
[06:58] <glass-eye> man, kubuntu rocks
[06:58] <smouche> if you set up the view the way you like, including I think url, then save the view profile, it'll open that way by default
[06:58] <andrewski> smouche: ok, but how do i make menu launchers for each?
[06:59] <smouche> you know, andrewski, I think there's already a panel applet for that
[06:59] <andrewski> smouche: i deleted them. :P
[07:00] <smouche> yeah, dude, there's a "konqueror profiles" applet button for the panel
[07:00] <smouche> deleted?
[07:00] <andrewski> smouche: oh, no, i see that.
[07:01] <hunger> Damn! This KDE stuff is so damn fragil!
[07:01] <andrewski> smouche: what i want is menu launchers.  konq-browser and konq-filer or something.
[07:01] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: heh
[07:01] <smouche> it's a "special button"  -- andrewski, this button does that!
[07:02] <andrewski> smouche: i got it, and it's a workaround, but how do i add *menu* launchers?
[07:02] <_P_> uff  i don't like  this  kubuntu 
[07:02] <Tm_T> haha
[07:02] <_P_> everithing  works  
[07:02] <smouche> oh, I see...
[07:02] <_P_> no problem  to  resolve 
[07:02] <apokryphos> :)
[07:02] <andrewski> _P_: heh
[07:02] <_P_> i am here  tryng  to  broke  something  just  to  stauy  here solving 
[07:03] <Tm_T> _P_: here's one: how I add fluxbox into my KDM session list?
[07:03] <andrewski> smouche: and why can't i delete profiles?
[07:03] <Tm_T> =)
[07:03] <hunger> apokryphos: So do I... maybe all those crashes will start to disappear then.
[07:04] <Tm_T> hunger: haha
[07:04] <hunger> Or maybe they will once I get myself a better laptop.
[07:04] <_P_> i just need  kmobiletools
[07:04] <_P_> :D
[07:04] <andrewski> hunger: did you file bugreports or investigate?
[07:04] <smouche> heh, trying midnight commander -- getting "window size is too small for nano"  well, that never stopped it before!  gosh, nano is cute. nano-nano
[07:04] <andrewski> smouche: you're loopy.
[07:04] <hunger> andrewski: I can not register with the bugtracker, so I did not.
[07:04] <gdh> or run memtest86 overnight as that's the knee-jerk developer reaction to crashing :)
[07:04] <lao_v> do i need special previlege to create my wiki page?
[07:04] <gdh> i.e. blame the hardware =)
[07:04] <andrewski> hunger: you could still search.
[07:05] <andrewski> hunger: and why couldn't you register?
[07:05] <hunger> gdh: My laptop will burn down the house if I ran memtest all night long.
[07:05] <hunger> andrewski: Because I have not yet managed to set up postfix to work properly in kubuntu, so it keeps loosing my mail.
[07:05] <gdh> hunger: sounds like a quality piece of kit :) Maybe Kubuntu is just too much for it to deal with? ;)
[07:06] <andrewski> hunger: you don't have mail via the internet?
[07:06] <hunger> gdh: My boss found an opportunity to save a few bucks:-(
[07:06] <gdh> hunger: Ah yeh I hear that :( 
[07:06] <hunger> andrewski: Of course the mail comes through the internet!
[07:06] <smouche> hmm, guess I don't know the true purpose of midnight commander... must investigate... can I get each pane to show a different folder or page...?
[07:07] <smouche> sorry, talking to myself, nano-nano-nano
[07:07] <hunger> gdh: I ordered myself a thinkpad... that one should be more stable:-)
[07:07] <andrewski> hunger: so why can't you just load up an internet mailer and register?
[07:07] <gdh> hunger: Yum :)
[07:07] <hunger> andrewski: Because I have no account with an internet mailer:-(
[07:08] <hunger> gdh: If only ibm was able to deliver... :-(
[07:08] <andrewski> hunger: well, that's what i meant.  so where does your mail go?  just sit in an unaccessible server until you download it?
[07:08] <hunger> andrewski: And I would like to grab my mails from my normal account...
[07:09] <hunger> andrewski: It still sits on my server, but postfix keeps loosing it once fetchmail collects it.
[07:09] <andrewski> hunger: well, why don't you set up a client that works? :P
[07:10] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: whats link view? something to do with symlinks?
[07:10] <hunger> andrewski: Fetchmail works fine... postfix messes it up:-(
[07:10] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: install qmail :P
[07:10] <gdh> hunger: Wietse would bite your head off if he heard you saying 'Postfix is losing my mail'
[07:10] <hunger> andrewski: I used to use exim, but ubuntu-something depends on postfix.
[07:10] <repete> Just started up the Kubuntu Live CD... very nice :-)
[07:10] <andrewski> hunger: you could use kmail/evolution.
[07:11] <hunger> andrewski: Yes, or I could just fix postfix:-)
[07:11] <smouche> no _ReDRum_, it's just the setting for linking the two views in midnight commander -- that's "link" the verb --  "link the views"
[07:11] <andrewski> hunger: either way...
[07:11] <grahamoz> hey how do i put ndiswrapper to load at boot up ?
[07:11] <hunger> andrewski: I don't want to rely too much on kmail since I keep switching mailers.
[07:11] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: linked views
[07:12] <hunger> grahamoz: Don't do it... use proper drivers!
[07:12] <andrewski> hunger: understood.  i wish that evolution and kmail could coexist. :/
[07:12] <smouche> man, midnight commander is awesome (well, the konqueror profile called that, anyway-- haven't tried the original)
[07:12] <hunger> andrewski: I hate evo, so I have no problem with that...
[07:12] <andrewski> hunger: ok.
[07:12] <grahamoz> hmm ok how do u get the  proper drivers to work
[07:13] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: im not sure what the lsb package does, anacron is obviously needed but would work just as well with any mailer as postfix, the rest is waffle and you could delete it without problem
[07:13] <grahamoz> its a net gear WG111
[07:13] <hunger> andrewski: But since I might end up using mutt I do all my filtering in procmail, fetching with fetchmail and delivery with proper sendmail.
[07:13] <smouche> I wish I could figure out a way to set konqueror to the midnight commander profile as default...
[07:13] <_ReDRuM_> you could remove postfix, use equivs to make a fake postfix and install qmail :)
[07:14] <_ReDRuM_> course you could always fix postfix :P
[07:14] <hunger> andrewski: So I only need to fix one place whenever my mailsetup changes.
[07:15] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Neither do I... Dunno why the ubuntu stuff does not simply depend on a "smtpd" or something and have postfix/etc. provide that.
[07:15] <hunger> grahamoz: No idea... I thought you were on a centrino.
[07:15] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: it has a number of silly dependencies :/
[07:15] <grahamoz> no hunger 
[07:16] <grahamoz> thats why i'm using ndiswrapper 
[07:16] <grahamoz> to use this device
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: i guess tho if you know what your doing it doesnt matter too much can just remove them and use equivs
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> and if you dont know what your doing it stops you breaking it :)
[07:16] <hunger> grahamoz: Maybe this terrible and illegal clutch of ndiswrapper is the way you need to go:-(
[07:17] <grahamoz> yeah
[07:17] <hunger> grahamoz: update-rc.d does not work for you? assuming ndiswrapper has a script in /etc/init.d
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[07:19] <grahamoz> well i don't know
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> dont use it then :P
[07:19] <grahamoz> i just want my wireless to work
[07:19] <grahamoz> and it sees my wireless adaptor
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> i guess you need it for your wifi eh
[07:19] <grahamoz> yep
[07:20] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: I don't... the stupidity is still annoying me.
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: i havent read the licence, but stupid licences can often be neutered with a single layer of abstraction
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> i.e write a wrapper round ndiswrapper
[07:20] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: What kind of idiot uses the GPL for a software that needs proprietary code to work?
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: oh what by depending on the microsoft binaries? :)
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> (windows bins)
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: make a small bin that does nothing
[07:21] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Using the MS binaries is perfectly legal here!
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> make ndiswrapdumblegalfix project
[07:21] <grahamoz> wat
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> and supply the source for your null driver
[07:22] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: But using them together with ndiswrapper is not because those idiots picked the wrong license.
[07:22] <_ReDRuM_> then it should be legal i think?
[07:22] <_ReDRuM_> since it no longer needs the windows binaries
[07:22] <_ReDRuM_> it can run with your null binary :)
[07:23] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: ndiswrapper is GPL... so it forces all code it is linked with to become GPL. Since they do not own the copyright to the MS stuff they can not do that, which makes it illegal for the user to use ndiswrapper.
[07:23] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Well, for all users but Microsoft of course... But I doubt that they will need that hack.
[07:23] <andrewski> is there any way to auto-refresh in konqueror while viewing files?
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> oh yeh i see what you mean should have been LGPL but there must be a way around it
[07:24] <kaleval> is anybody here using kubuntu on a powerbook?
[07:24] <smouche> yes andrewski, click on the gear logo
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> lgpl would have be ok i think?
[07:24] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: The only way is to change the license.
[07:24] <smouche> er, no sorry
[07:24] <smouche> that opens a new instance
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: can they even change the licence?
[07:24] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Anything BUT THE GPL should be OK!
[07:24] <andrewski> smouche: i can hit reload, but i'd rather not.
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> i didnt think you could revoke gpl
[07:24] <smouche> doh!  "auto refresh" you said...
[07:25] <jibrael> _ReDRuM_: the copy right owner can do whatever he/she pleases with the license
[07:25] <grahamoz> how do run a file as root
[07:25] <mikl> grahamoz: sudo file
[07:25] <jibrael> that is a major weakness of gpl
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: get their code, mangle it with sed/perl scripts so it's unrecognisable and say you made an equivilent :P
[07:25] <yoss> hi some non kde apps (firefox or streamtuner) are really ugly under kde what can i do to make it 'cleaner' ?
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> (not strictly legal but nobody could prove you didnt)
[07:25] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: That is what is so fucking stupid about the whole thing! There are hundreds of OSS licenses and these idiots end up picking the one that makes it illegal!
[07:25] <mikl> grahamoz: as in sudo /home/mikkel/bin/screendump.sh
[07:26] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: That is illegal as well;-)
[07:26] <grahamoz> did not work
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: nobody could prove you did it :)
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> obviously - you never did
[07:26] <smouche> well, I finally managed to fool the system menu into opening konq in midnight commander mode by default... wonderful!
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[07:26] <andrewski> smouche: how?
[07:26] <jibrael> scenario -> loser writes crappy half broken app releases it GPL, open source community likes its idea and gets together and fixes said app so it works awesome, however because of GPL flaws the original author still owns all rights on said software, he then revokes GPL license and makes it commercial, GPL exploits 101
[07:26] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Well, I don't need ndiswrapper. I just get upset by the stupidity of the whole enterprise.
[07:27] <grahamoz> graham@graham:~$ sudo /home/graham/dldrinstall.run
[07:27] <grahamoz> sudo: /home/graham/dldrinstall.run: command not found
[07:27] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: And of course can they change the license.
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: e-mail them :P
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> rave and rant
[07:27] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: I did:-(
[07:27] <mikl> jibrael: well, the code that's been released under GPL is still released under GPL
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: didnt they love it?
[07:28] <mikl> jibrael: he might release it under another license, but that doesn't take away your right to use the version released under GPL
[07:28] <jibrael> sure mikl
[07:28] <yoss> someone does know answer for this question ? :
[07:28] <yoss> hi some non kde apps (firefox or streamtuner) are really ugly under kde what can i do to make it 'cleaner' ?
[07:28] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: They say they do not care about what is legal for the users... the code is GPL and it is not their problem if users violate the license.
[07:28] <jibrael> but it still sucks imo
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: rofl
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> cocks :)
[07:28] <jibrael> my point is the lame idea that the original author owns all changes made to said software
[07:28] <smouche> andrewski, a lot of renaming and saving in the "configure view profiles" part of Settings in the konq menu
[07:29] <jibrael> and is aloud to do as he wishes with them
[07:29] <mikl> yoss: get gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ;)
[07:29] <jibrael> even re release them as opensource
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> mikl: that doesnt work for me for some reason
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> how do i activate it?
[07:29] <andrewski> smouche: do you know if it's possible to delete some of the 'standard' view profiles?
[07:29] <smouche> I basically renamed the midnight commander profile to "file management"
[07:29] <yoss> mikl: thanks :-)))
[07:29] <jibrael> err non opensource that is
[07:29] <mikl> _ReDRuM_: there should be a menu for figdgeting around with gtk-qt in the control-panel :)
[07:29] <deadcore> heit vunich belvont gpl, neis vit gojik horirt leinnin viom Haukknd, und strough.
[07:30] <mikl> _ReDRuM_: if it's installed, that is :)
[07:30] <smouche> nope, andrewski, I don't...
[07:30] <hunger> andrewski: Find them and use rm on the files?
[07:30] <smouche> I just wish there were a way to set global keybindings for those profiles...
[07:30] <andrewski> hunger: well, i think they're system defaults, so they're being 'inherited'....
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> miki i did install it, it has its files on disk... but its not on control panel where i can see it?
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> GTK styles and fonts?
[07:30] <deadcore> runstruff mousse bein
[07:30] <hunger> andrewski: So what? sudo rm them;-)
[07:30] <mikl> _ReDRuM_: yes, that's the one :)
[07:31] <andrewski> hunger: meh.
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> why does gaim still look like ugly junk then :P
[07:31] <grahamoz> why can't u login as root :(
[07:31] <apokryphos> because it's an ugly app? ;-)
[07:31] <jibrael> it may look junk
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> oh wait
[07:31] <jibrael> but gaim 1.1.4 rocks
[07:31] <hunger> grahamoz: sudo su -
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> i changed it to use Qt not KDE
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> and suddenly it works
[07:31] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: how do you change that?
[07:31] <mikl> _ReDRuM_: try changing the settings to "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" :)
[07:31] <hunger> grahamoz: Because logging in as root is a really BAD idea.
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: in the console under appearance -> gtk
[07:31] <_ReDer> err control panel
[07:32] <grahamoz> this os is made for n00bs rite ?
[07:32] <andrewski> _ReDer: hmm, ok.
[07:32] <andrewski> grahamoz: not necessarily. :P
[07:32] <mikl> grahamoz: not really
[07:32] <jibrael> no grahamoz its made for ppl tired of shitty rpm crap
[07:32] <_ReDRuM_> grahamoz: if you dont push it too hard its ok for noobs :)
[07:32] <mikl> grahamoz: but it's well suited for newbies :)
[07:32] <deadcore> fal hoit razi und schittenz 
[07:33] <grahamoz> brb reboot
[07:33] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: now changing back to KDE works too... perhaps it's cause i restarted KDE since installing now
[07:33] <linkin__> hio
[07:34] <deadcore> righten raziech figgekn linux, Helentokke finz bit c, und im unstrunhoff c++
[07:34] <mikl> gooood morning Germany ;)
[07:34] <Tm_T> oh fuck
[07:34] <linkin__> huihui... :D
[07:34] <linkin__> ^^
[07:34] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_ o/
[07:35] <andrewski> is qtparted the preferred app for kde?
[07:35] <deadcore> haha vindermaul constiuch trikkenfos undverich raizecroft
[07:35] <apokryphos> deadcore: #ubuntu-de ?
[07:35] <mikl> andrewski: well, it's good for what it does
[07:35] <smouche> andrewski, thanks for the moral support regarding my konqi crashes, my work around seems to be, um, working!  wish I could help you with your launcher issues -- ;-)
[07:35] <andrewski> apokryphos: that's not german. :P
[07:36] <apokryphos> what is it?
[07:36] <andrewski> smouche: s'all good.
[07:36] <mikl> looks like flemish
[07:36] <linkin__> hollndisch?
[07:36] <linkin__> ^^
[07:36] <andrewski> apokryphos: dutch?
[07:36] <_ReDRuM_> is there a switch i can throw to apt to tell it to overwrite existing files?
[07:36] <jude> I have to be off - I'm too hungry to concentrate - see you all later, and thanks for the help
[07:36] <trans_err> how can i get gstreamer to support ACC?
[07:37] <deadcore> ducroft mauch buen Halfax, Nedderhann
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> --force-overwrite i guess
[07:37] <mikl> ack, so many questions and so little time :)
[07:37] <Tm_T> trans_err: plugin
[07:37] <trans_err> Tm_T: right, but is it in the repository?
[07:37] <Tm_T> yes
[07:37] <Tm_T> at least in universe
[07:38] <Beineri> apokryphos: that doesn't look like German :-)
[07:38] <graham> damn it i need root
[07:38] <trans_err> what is it called?
[07:38] <Tm_T> trans_err: don't remember, try apt-cache search ;)
[07:38] <deadcore> linkin: froch menit aschn Nedderhann?
[07:38] <trans_err> Tm_T: i am-- i can't find it
[07:38] <apokryphos> Beineri: to my ignorant language ways it sure does :D
[07:39] <linkin__> Deadcore: Neine, leider nicht
[07:39] <Tm_T> trans_err: what? you enabled universe from you'r sources.list?
[07:39] <trans_err> Tm_T: of course
[07:39] <deadcore> nein #ubuntu-nl ? :(
[07:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:39] <Tm_T> interesting
[07:39] <linkin__> Deadcore: Yes :D
[07:39] <deadcore> :D
[07:39] <linkin__> Deadcore: geh in den raum, da bist du unter freunden :D
[07:39] <trans_err> unless its named something strange
[07:39] <deadcore> ty
[07:40] <apokryphos> damn, no #ubuntu-uk
[07:40] <deadcore> haha
[07:40] <linkin__> Deadcore: Viel spa da ;)
[07:40] <linkin__> Deadcore comes from netherland
[07:41] <abinadid> whats up
[07:41] <Tm_T> trans_err: hmm, just install _all_ gstreamer plugins ;)
[07:41] <deadcore> :)
[07:41] <Tm_T> trans_err: I bet it is there ;p
[07:41] <grahamoz> i must say this is better then mandrake
[07:41] <grahamoz> just one problem sb live 24bit is not working :(
[07:41] <grahamoz> *my
[07:42] <Tm_T> check mixer ;)
[07:42] <grahamoz> nothing 
[07:42] <trans_err> Tm_T: still no acc support :C
[07:43] <deadcore> hauk fitch, bad english :(
[07:43] <deadcore> <-- me bad english
[07:43] <trans_err> I'll just compile it in I guess
[07:44] <linkin__> Deadcore: Kannst du deutsch sprechen?
[07:44] <deadcore> badly
[07:44] <deadcore> :\
[07:44] <linkin__> Deadcore: sprichst du niederlndisch?
[07:44] <lancellor> i start using linux like two years ago i used a few diffrent distros but to be honest with you i don't know anything about commands and stuff 
[07:44] <deadcore> german connections class 1
[07:45] <mikl> Wir sprichst nicht so gut deutsch - or whatever 
[07:45] <deadcore> nederhann, niederlndisch dialiect
[07:45] <andrewski> ich spreche ein bisschen deutsch
[07:45] <Beineri> mikl: "wir sprechen..."
[07:46] <mikl> Beineri: if you say so, I was never good at german ;)
[07:46] <lancellor> but with kubuntu i almost do what i was doing with windows and i'm really excited about it i'm making more progress than with other distros
[07:46] <linkin__> Deadcore: welche sprache sprichst du den?
[07:46] <linkin__> Deadcore: Als muttersprache?
[07:46] <mikl> lancellor: Preaching to the choir? ;)
[07:46] <lancellor> and it is all thans to you guys just want to let you know
[07:47] <deadcore> Nederhann :\
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> is shipit shipping kubuntu cds in the default package ?
[07:47] <deadcore> Halfax, Netherlands
[07:47] <deadcore> all mi life ^^
[07:47] <Beineri> da_bon_bon: no
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> Beineri: atleast the packages of kde, then ?
[07:49] <deadcore> linkin_: und ihr location?
[07:49] <Beineri> da_bon_bon: no
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> Beineri: damn! btw, how do u know ?
[07:50] <Beineri> da_bon_bon: I read the FAQ :-)
[07:50] <andrewski> deadcore: brauchst du hilfe?
[07:51] <deadcore> eh?
[07:51] <deadcore> halvich mau tandle raich
[07:51] <apokryphos> Kubuntu is a "Community Project", so it doesn't really get money from dear Canonical. Only really support for archives etc. 
[07:51] <andrewski> deadcore: was?  sprichst du kein deutsch?
[07:51] <Beineri> deadcore: /join #ubuntu-nl
[07:52] <jibrael> canonical is sweet
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> Beineri: i need to login just to read the FAQ? ! :P
[07:52] <deadcore> nedderhann
[07:52] <deadcore> niederlndisch
[07:52] <Beineri> da_bon_bon: no
[07:52] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php
[07:52] <andrewski> deadcore: #ubuntu-nl, ja?
[07:53] <deadcore> ja
[07:53] <deadcore> ty
[07:53] <andrewski> deadcore: bitte
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> oh i was trying the shipit faq, apokryphos Beineri 
[07:53] <Beineri> da_bon_bon: if it doesn't mention Kubuntu, then it doesn't contain it.
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> hey, mark shuttleworth can fly to the space and back, but cant pay for two bit cd's that cost Rs. 7 !
[07:54] <Beineri> da_bon_bon: shipit does two CDs afaik, live and install
[07:54] <Beineri> +ship
[07:54] <Tm_T> =)
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> ah, right, Beineri 
[07:55] <Tm_T> Beineri: jep
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> i wouldnt need the cds in the first place. but i havent updated from DAYS and the backlog is ~350mb and over a 2kbps nett connection , its HELL!
[07:56] <apokryphos> well, more since they do PowerPC/AMD64 too
[07:56] <andrewski> smouche: so which panel was it that caused konq to crash?  i want to test it.
[07:58] <deadcore> smash multiperson sturff?
[08:00] <apokryphos> What do people think of the new site template?
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: its great. but its meant to be same like ubuntu.com site, right ?
[08:04] <apokryphos> da_bon_bon: talking about the ubuntu one here (not kubuntu), right?
[08:04] <grahamoz> hey why wont this work
[08:04] <grahamoz> apt-get install kwin-style-baghira
[08:04] <apokryphos> ubuntu.com and ubuntulinux.org are the same
[08:04] <andrewski> why are the scrollbars funny-colored in konversation?
[08:04] <apokryphos> grahamoz: is Universe enabled?
[08:04] <grahamoz> root@graham:/home/graham/baghira-0.6e # apt-get install kwin-baghira
[08:04] <grahamoz> Reading package lists... Done
[08:04] <grahamoz> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:04] <grahamoz> Package kwin-baghira is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:04] <grahamoz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:04] <grahamoz> is only available from another source
[08:04] <grahamoz> E: Package kwin-baghira has no installation candidate
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: no, i meant that if its meant to look like ubuntu.com , then it looks great and the colors are just - well -  cool!
[08:05] <grahamoz> how would i know
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> grahamoz: rafb.net/paste
[08:05] <grahamoz> what
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> grahamoz: dont paste in the channel, use the site i just gave you
[08:05] <grahamoz> oh ok
[08:05] <apokryphos> grahamoz: check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <apokryphos> see whether the line with "Universe" is commented out
[08:07] <apokryphos> 95 nicks.. we *are* getting popular. =)
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> apokryphos: 96
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> :)
[08:07] <apokryphos> heh
[08:07] <tek> hello again apokryphos
[08:08] <apokryphos> hi :)
[08:08] <grahamoz> yeah they are
[08:08] <grahamoz> up the top
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> grahamoz: then try tomorrow
[08:09] <tek> kcmshell bug is resolved on the latest system i just installed, very cool.
[08:09] <apokryphos> nice
[08:09] <sorin> Runnig Kubuntu under vmware
[08:10] <sorin> What's the defaul root password?
[08:10] <robin__> sorin same as first user
[08:10] <robin__> sorin btw there is no root
[08:10] <apokryphos> There is no root password -- ubuntu uses sudo
[08:10] <robin__> sorin only sudo
[08:10] <glass-eye> i am WAY impressed with kubuntu
[08:10] <apokryphos> :)
[08:11] <apokryphos> grahamoz: Ah, there's a problem with the package
[08:11] <sorin> sudo?
[08:11] <tek> also way impressed with kubuntu, working on getting one of my PR buddies to install it. that should also get kubuntu a little press, or at least more press
[08:11] <glass-eye> i started the install last night, it discovered all of my network cards, my soundcard (which no other distro has ever done) and KDE is up and running 
[08:11] <glass-eye> sweet stuff
[08:12] <apokryphos> grahamoz: I can give you a repository with it, though, if you want
[08:13] <Tm_T> glass-eye: and when you find nice style&deco ... uuh, sweet
[08:13] <sorin> Is there a command that kills x more gracefully than killX?
[08:14] <eXhumed> Hi. I have a centrino laptop, and I installed Kubuntu 5.04 on it. My wireless network interface was detected as eth1, but i can't connect to my wireless network, cause "iwlist eth1 scan" shows no avaliable networks. When i boot my laptop with windows, it connects fine. It looks all normal, except when I try to change the channel of eth1, it says "Operation not supported" 
[08:14] <sorin> damn, kde is pretty
[08:15] <insanekane> sorin: how about pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[08:15] <insanekane> sorin: it is, it is !! :)
[08:15] <sorin> i want to install vmware tools, and i can't do that with x started
[08:15] <glass-eye> anyone know the shortcut key for "fast user switching" off the top of their head?
[08:15] <insanekane> sorin: aha ..
[08:15] <apokryphos> sorin: you can logout with dcop.. not sure if there's a command for killing x
[08:16] <apokryphos> (with dcop)
[08:16] <insanekane> sorin: in that case, what u need to do is startup in console mode
[08:16] <tek> yeah, kde 3.4 is slick, im really interested to see what its gonna change into with kde4.0
[08:16] <sorin> i got apt-get install ubuntu-desktop running in a kde konsole window
[08:16] <insanekane> sorin: edit /etc/inittab
[08:16] <insanekane> sorin: and there you can change it to console mode on the next start
[08:17] <insanekane> sorin: also, you can do "init x" where x is a umber (i think 2, 3 or 4 should work)
[08:17] <sorin> I'll just killX, install that thing and startX
[08:18] <insanekane> sorin: hmm ... but that wont kill kdm ..
[08:18] <apokryphos> sorin: you can just logout and then press Ctrl + Alt + Backspace; more graceful.
[08:20] <sorin> I wonder how much server resources would be saved if all distros would supply only the minimum install with no apps and have a global AutoPackage repository from where all users of all distros can install their sofware.
[08:21] <insanekane> sorin: hehe ..
[08:21] <insanekane> sorin: that will start a flamewar ... be careful :)
[08:22] <insanekane> sorin: maybe a better way to save server resources is to use bittorrent :)
[08:22] <sorin> I know that Autopackage is like setup.exe on windows.  In theory that repository would be like download.com
[08:23] <insanekane> sorin: there many problems in having a windows like install mechanism ... the first of which is security :)
[08:24] <GhostFreeman> Anyone know how to setup an individual clock for GMT
[08:24] <GhostFreeman> erm...nevermind I figured it out
[08:24] <GhostFreeman> carry on with your business
[08:24] <insanekane> GhostFreeman: we havent stopped ;)
[08:25] <sorin> ubuntu-desktop installed.  no restart required:-)
[08:25] <insanekane> sorin: absolutely :)
[08:25] <GhostFreeman> hmm
[08:25] <sorin> do you know if that gtk-kde package works with all programs or only those that are aware of it???
[08:25] <GhostFreeman> it seems to be one hour ahead of GMT
[08:26] <insanekane> sorin: you mean gtk-qt-engine ?
[08:26] <sorin> yeaah
[08:26] <GhostFreeman> is GMT 19:26
[08:26] <insanekane> sorin: it works with all programs except those that make their own (bloody) L&F system (like OOo)
[08:27] <sorin> downliding it from autopackage
[08:28] <insanekane> sorin: is it for kde 3.4 ? (as in does it provide the kcontrol module for kde3.4 ?)
[08:29] <sorin> Actually, it looks better than .MSI. 
[08:30] <bobesponja> my kubuntu iso is on an external usb hd, is there a way to boot from it?
[08:30] <sorin> It would be cool if someone designed Qt-Gtk
[08:30] <insanekane> sorin: :)
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> sorin - i think it works with any gtk...
[08:31] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: i think he means the other way around ... using gtk themes in qt :)
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> why would you want to do that?
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> butchery
[08:32] <sorin> so kde programs look native while runnig in gnome
[08:32] <insanekane> hehe
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> just delete gnome
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> problem solved :)
[08:33] <glass-eye> :)
[08:33] <insanekane> hehe
[08:33] <sorin> create a winforms driver and i'll delete it
[08:33] <GhostFreeman> what country in Date/Time is GMT
[08:33] <insanekane> sorin: winforms ??
[08:33] <sorin> Windows Forms
[08:34] <insanekane> GhostFreeman: London ?
[08:34] <glass-eye> GhostFreeman: greenwich
[08:34] <glass-eye> greenwich mean time = gmt i believe
[08:34] <gdh> London isn't a country despite what Londoners would like you to think :)
[08:34] <insanekane> GhostFreeman: great britian
[08:34] <GhostFreeman> I dont see Greenwich on the list
[08:34] <insanekane> gdh: ;)
[08:34] <insanekane> GhostFreeman: united kingdom
[08:35] <lancellor> does anybody is into xbox???
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> can't find any decent window decor for kde :/
[08:35] <sorin> insanekane: mono's Windows Forms
[08:35] <GhostFreeman> I don't think you understand what I am trying to say here
[08:35] <GhostFreeman> In the Clock - Configure menu, I can't set it as GMT
[08:35] <sorin> I'd like DogmaX, GfxOasis, TriAX for KDE
[08:36] <lancellor> you know playing online modchips, linux o xbox etc
[08:36] <MAWSpitau> _ReDRuM_: What about knifty?!
[08:36] <gdh> GhostFreeman: Timezones -> Europe -> London ?
[08:36] <GhostFreeman> London's set to DST but ok
[08:36] <GhostFreeman> that works
[08:36] <GhostFreeman> I think that's how I have GMT set in GNOME...i'm not so sure. Who cares
[08:37] <gdh> there isn't a 'force GMT/UTC' setting since it doesn't make much sense...
[08:37] <kaleval> is anyone here using kubuntu on a PowerBook?
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> MAWSpitau: hmm ill see if thats one of the zillion i tried :)
[08:38] <MAWSpitau> I do like it.. It is simple AND looks quite goot.
[08:38] <MAWSpitau> good
[08:38] <MAWSpitau> ;)
 have thought of downloading it and trying to isntall it on my powerbook, havent had the time yet though
[08:38] <kaleval> i just want to know how well the hardware is supported
[08:38] <_ReDRuM_> id rather have "complex but stunning" than simple but quite good :P
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> ugh
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> blue
[08:39] <MAWSpitau> lol
[08:40] <MAWSpitau> I have it it orange..
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> you can recolor it?
[08:40] <MAWSpitau> so you do not have to take that  colot
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> hrn
[08:40] <MAWSpitau> r
[08:40] <MAWSpitau> of course
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> does the deb package work or shall i build it?
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> also: http://www.deviantart.com/view/12986265/
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> his background buttons of the taskbar are transparent
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> but my taskbar seems to ignore me when i tell it to be transparent :/
[08:41] <MAWSpitau> to be honest... until now I am not using kubuntu
[08:42] <SpookyET|Kubuntu> In what menu is KDM located?
[08:43] <phunky> I can only connect to a network when the cable is plugged in when I boot. Does anyone know why that would be? Is there a way to force it to register the  connection?
[08:43] <hunger> How do I fix up my email in the ubuntu wiki?
[08:46] <GhostFreeman> How do I take a screenshot in KDE
[08:46] <hunger> GhostFreeman: Printscreen?
[08:47] <GhostFreeman> and if that dosen't work?
[08:47] <hunger> GhostFreeman: ksnapshot (in Graphics submenu)
[08:47] <tek> you can also do a screenshot from inside of gimp
[08:47] <hunger> tek: There is no gimp in kubuntu.
[08:47] <tek> apt-get install gimp
[08:47] <hunger> tek: There is no gtk and I'd like to keep it that way;-)
[08:48] <tek> now you have gimp if you have uncommented your sources.list file in /etc/apt
[08:48] <tek> one of the very first things i installed was gimp and openoffice2
[08:48] <hunger> tek: One of the first things I removed was OO.o1 :-)
[08:49] <SpookyET> could anyone please tell me where rc0.d to rc6.d located?
[08:49] <SpookyET> ./etc?
[08:49] <hunger> SpookyET: /etc
[08:49] <Tm_T> oh
[08:49] <tek> openoffice2 is getting pretty slick, specially if you have setup java and can do the mysql stuff with base
[08:50] <Tm_T> sodipodi <3
[08:50] <hunger> tek: I don't want that pseudo-free stuff.
[08:50] <SpookyET> crap
[08:51] <tek> for me i have to, this is a work machine and i have to work to pay the bills for all the things in life that are not free.
[08:51] <tek> like BEER! 
[08:51] <hunger> tek: Sorry, I am a bit fanatic with the stuff I put on by private boxes.
[08:51] <GhostFreeman> here's the popular question -- How do I set alpha transparency
[08:51] <SpookyET> None of the pre-built vmhgfs modules for VMware Tools is suitabel for your running kernel.  Do you want this program to try to build them for your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)?
[08:51] <hunger> tek: I am not so picky about the stuff on the office compis.
[08:51] <SpookyET> Please tell me that Kubuntu comes with gcc
[08:52] <GhostFreeman> uh
[08:52] <tek> that is ok SpookyET, i understand
[08:52] <GhostFreeman> whats the point of Linux if it dosen't have gcc
[08:52] <SpookyET> no gcc
[08:52] <GhostFreeman> if it dosen
[08:52] <GhostFreeman> use sudo apt-get to install gcc
[08:52] <SpookyET> could you tell me the command please
[08:52] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:53] <Zugot> is there a kde apt applet?
[08:53] <Zugot> like the gnome one?
[08:53] <hunger> Zugot: There is, but it sucks.
[08:53] <Zugot> hunger: ah... i've been looking for a project to start up
[08:54] <GhostFreeman> I use Synaptic
[08:54] <hunger> Zugot: You are better of using apt directly. IMHO that is better and faster than all the frontends.
[08:54] <Zugot> hunger: that isn't the point
[08:54] <Zugot> i want an applet
[08:54] <Zugot> kubuntu needs an applet ... ubuntu has one
[08:54] <hunger> Zugot: What should that applet do?
[08:55] <Zugot> the same thing the gnome one does
[08:55] <hunger> Zugot: Which is?
[08:55] <Zugot> reminds you if you have updates and allows you to install them
[08:55] <GhostFreeman> here's an idea
[08:55] <hunger> Zugot: There is none of that.
[08:55] <Zugot> i can't easily run apt-get... 
[08:55] <Zugot> er i can easily run it
[08:55] <GhostFreeman> get the source and make your own frontend
[08:56] <Zugot> but that ain't the point
[08:56] <hunger> Zugot: IIRC the wiki states that one is needed.
[08:56] <SpookyET> crap tha wasn't enough
[08:56] <Zugot> well that'll give me a reason to start up kdevelop
[08:56] <hunger> Zugot: I think nobody would stop you writing one;-)
[08:56] <SpookyET> it wants /usr/src/linux/include
[08:56] <SpookyET> the header files for the kernel
[08:57] <hunger> SpookyET: Of course. You are building a module after all.
[08:57] <crimsun> vmware is a PITA to set up
[08:57] <Zugot> crimsun: yeah it is... trying running it on amd64
[08:57] <crimsun> you'll need both linux-source-2.6.10 and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:57] <hunger> SpookyET: there should be headers for the kernels in some deb...
[08:57] <SpookyET> are those files in a different dir or not available
[08:57] <Zugot> vmware and vpnc are the only things keeping me on 32bit linux
[08:57] <crimsun> and you'll need to hack the Makefile and make prepare
[08:57] <SpookyET> what's the command to get those?
[08:58] <crimsun> then try to build the vmware junk
[08:58] <hunger> SpookyET: But that reminds me: I still need to install qemu;-)
[08:58] <crimsun> SpookyET: sudo aptitude install linux-source-2.6.10 linux-headers-$(uname -r), of course
[08:59] <hunger> crimsun: Do you really need the linux-source deb? I thought the headers were enough.
[08:59] <Zugot> i use vmware everyday
[08:59] <Zugot> we are getting to buy 10 copies of GSX server at the job
[08:59] <Zugot> can't wait
[09:00] <SpookyET> i downloaded the new 5.0.13124 build of workstation
[09:00] <crimsun> hunger: you need the source because you need to change the top-level Makefile, then ,,make prepare''
[09:00] <lancellor> how do i open a folder with permission to write  like "usr/bin"
[09:00] <crimsun> hunger: vmware's build procedure is completely brain-dead
[09:00] <hunger> crimsun: Oh, didn't know that...
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> Where is vmware's phantom 64 bit support?
[09:01] <crimsun> in fact, you could probably get away with not installing linux-headers-$(uname -r) for vmware, but you'd need it to build regular/sane kernel modules
[09:01] <SpookyET> crimsun: damn.  I never done that stuff before.  The only make system I used is MSBuild
[09:01] <lancellor> i download kai for linux but i have to put a bin file i that folder but tellme i'm not the owner
[09:01] <SpookyET> do you have the modified makefile?
[09:02] <NeoEcoS> hello
[09:02] <crimsun> SpookyET: no, you can modify it manually
[09:02] <NeoEcoS> anyone can giveme the kubuntu cd repository source
[09:02] <crimsun> it wouldn't do me much good anyhow; I'm at work using a live cd
[09:02] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: meaning...?
[09:02] <NeoEcoS> something like deb iso:[etiqueta de tu kubuntu]  / unstable main restricted
[09:02] <SpookyET> I know.  I just don't know what to modify
[09:03] <NeoEcoS> i need the /etc/apt/sources.list line where say CD repository
[09:03] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: I have the old one: #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)] / unstable main restricted
[09:04] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: you'll have to dig around for the new one
[09:04] <SpookyET> what's the equivalent of startX in ubuntu
[09:04] <crimsun> SpookyET: the same startx
[09:04] <SpookyET> on some systems, it's startX
[09:05] <SpookyET> oh crap. it started gnome
[09:05] <crimsun> you shouldn't need to use startx. Instead, use ,,sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'' or ,,sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start''
[09:05] <crimsun> since you're in this channel, I venture you'll want the latter
[09:06] <NeoEcoS> crimsun do U know where is kde on the Kubuntu CD, i'm on ubuntu, but like to install kde
[09:07] <andrewski> so has anyone gotten compositing to work in KDE with nvidia?
[09:07] <Zugot> i run ubuntu on my laptop
[09:07] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: simply install kubuntu-desktop
[09:07] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: if you're using Ubuntu, that is. Kubuntu already includes KDE.
[09:07] <Zugot> i run ubuntu on my laptop.  is there a way to detect that i don't have a network cable plugged and and to try to bring up wlan0 on boot?
[09:09] <GhostFreeman> is there a panel for monitoring network use?
[09:10] <Zugot> GhostFreeman: yes there is
[09:10] <SpookyET> gnome is fast, but ugly as hell
[09:10] <GhostFreeman> name?
[09:10] <NeoEcoS> crimsun i think you don't understand what i want, i want to install kde from kubuntu cd
[09:10] <SpookyET> circa 1995
[09:10] <andrewski> Zugot: dunno, but you could ask also in #ubuntu
[09:11] <andrewski> SpookyET: are you talking about the default widget theme?
[09:11] <GhostFreeman> NeoEcoS: Try mounting the CD and use Synaptic
[09:11] <andrewski> SpookyET: because there are IMO better themes out there for GTK than for Qt.
[09:11] <SpookyET> the widgets are okay
[09:11] <SpookyET> but the icons
[09:11] <andrewski> SpookyET: the default ones again, i'm assuming?
[09:11] <SpookyET> yeah
[09:11] <GhostFreeman> I like the way GNOME looks
[09:12] <andrewski> SpookyET: you can change them just as you can in KDE. :P
[09:12] <GhostFreeman> it tries to avoid ripping off Windows, IMO
[09:12] <andrewski> GhostFreeman: yes, i appreciate that.
[09:12] <SpookyET> ClearLooks widgets are okay
[09:12] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: meaning you're currently running Ubuntu but would like to install KDE?
[09:12] <andrewski> SpookyET: yes, perhaps the most usable-and-elegant theme i've seen. :)
[09:13] <SpookyET> weird
[09:13] <SpookyET> after i installed vmware tools
[09:13] <SpookyET> no more 1600x1200
[09:13] <GhostFreeman> Zugot: What's the name of that panel/applet to monitor network use?
[09:13] <SpookyET> 1376x1032
[09:13] <SpookyET> is that even legal
[09:13] <NeoEcoS> crimsun, YES, GhostFreeman, there's a problem i got the iso, i have it mounted on /mnt/iso/ do you know how i can add it to repository sources ??
[09:13] <SpookyET> refresh rate 48
[09:13] <GhostFreeman> Uh
[09:13] <GhostFreeman> give me a second
[09:14] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: you just need to add a deb cdrom line similar to what I pasted above
[09:14] <GhostFreeman> yeah, that
[09:14] <andrewski> sweet friggin' mother.  konq has a file size view!
[09:15] <SpookyET> clear looks with Krystal would look super
[09:15] <andrewski> SpookyET: yes, indeed.  i think they should make a clearlooks style for KDE. :)
[09:15] <NeoEcoS> crimsun it' dosen't works
[09:15] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: did you update first?
[09:16] <SpookyET> i was talking about the other way around
[09:16] <GhostFreeman> One thing i'm already liking about KDE -- being able to edit the menus without any problems
[09:16] <NeoEcoS> yes, it said i got a error on line X of sources.list
[09:16] <GhostFreeman> GNOME 2.10 fails in that department
[09:16] <andrewski> GhostFreeman: yes, xfce has that, but not gnome.  what the heck is that? :P
[09:16] <GhostFreeman> either the GNOME devs think its real cute
[09:17] <GhostFreeman> or they need more donations
[09:17] <andrewski> sheesh.
[09:17] <GhostFreeman> I liked being able to edit my menus with Nautilus
[09:17] <SpookyET> is there a mode where you can hide gtk apps from the menus in KDE and KDE apps from te menus in gnome?
[09:18] <andrewski> SpookyET: hmm, that would be nice.
[09:18] <Zugot> in konq, is there a way to get to the google search bar by using a key press?
[09:18] <andrewski> Zugot: you can search google in the location bar.  not exactly what you asked, but maybe you'll find you like that better.
[09:18] <jerry> Zugot: I do two keypresses
[09:18] <andrewski> Zugot: gg: or google:
[09:18] <jerry> Zugot: CTRL+O and then tab
[09:19] <jerry> does anyone use Kontact against an LDAP address book ?
[09:19] <NeoEcoS> crimsun... any idea
[09:20] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: paste your sources.list onto http://pastebin.com
[09:21] <glass-eye> anyone recommend a USENET reader?
[09:21] <SpookyET> rafb.net/paste is better imho
[09:22] <andrewski> i agree with SpookyET
[09:22] <NeoEcoS> http://pastebin.com/269707
[09:22] <SpookyET> there was onther one even better, but can't remember it.
[09:22] <glass-eye> www.pastehere.com
[09:23] <andrewski> SpookyET: deadbeefbabe.org?
[09:23] <SpookyET> i like the login screen
[09:23] <SpookyET> is that from kde or ubuntu?
[09:24] <andrewski> SpookyET: what?
[09:24] <SpookyET> the login screen
[09:24] <SpookyET> those two icons on the buttom-left are really cool
[09:24] <andrewski> SpookyET: screen from what?
[09:25] <andrewski> SpookyET: kdm login screen?
[09:25] <jerry> yeah cheers to the artist
[09:25] <SpookyET> kdm
[09:25] <SpookyET> i suspect gdm isn't as cool
[09:26] <andrewski> SpookyET: ah, yeah, that's from kde.
[09:26] <SpookyET> not just that it looks good, it's functional in a fisher-price cool way
[09:26] <andrewski> SpookyET: gdm's ubuntu theme isn't as cool, but gdm itself is a bit better IMO.
[09:26] <SpookyET> the only thing i don't like is the return button
[09:26] <andrewski> SpookyET: and the theme could be cool in GDM. :P
[09:26] <glass-eye> kdm is about 1000X better than what it used t obe
[09:26] <andrewski> SpookyET: yeah, me either.
[09:26] <glass-eye> can anyone recommend a good USENET reader for KDE?
[09:27] <NeoEcoS> crimsun now i do it
[09:27] <andrewski> glass-eye: just search synaptic for "news reader"
[09:27] <SpookyET> i can recommend the best one for windows
[09:27] <SpookyET> GrabIt
[09:27] <andrewski> glass-eye: akregator is one, but i don't use one.
[09:27] <glass-eye> yeah, grabit rocks
[09:27] <NeoEcoS> apt-cdrom
[09:27] <glass-eye> andrewski: isn't that for RSS feeds?
[09:27] <crimsun> NeoEcoS: excellent
[09:27] <andrewski> glass-eye: dunno. :)
[09:27] <NeoEcoS> yep, thanks
[09:27] <andrewski> glass-eye: search for usenet then.
[09:27] <glass-eye> :D
[09:28] <andrewski> the thing i'd like to see in a DM is the ability to switch users on-the-fly like (gasp) windows xp's fast user switching.
[09:28] <glass-eye> andrewski: kdm has it in 3.4 i believe
[09:28] <_buz> kdesu
[09:28] <tek> akregator is for rss and its pretty nice
[09:28] <andrewski> glass-eye: really?!  how?
[09:29] <glass-eye> i just know that in the Kmenu it shows "Switch Session"
[09:29] <SpookyET> is there a keyboard in kde like the one in windows accessories? my num button is fried, and linux does not enable num by default
[09:29] <glass-eye> errr..."Switch User"
[09:29] <andrewski> glass-eye: true.  i actually mean the functionality where the screensaver automatically 'detaches' from your session and allows you to relogin or another user to login.
[09:30] <andrewski> glass-eye: though what you point out is close. :)
[09:30] <hunger> andrewski: The screensaver has a "launch new session" button.
[09:30] <glass-eye> andrewski: ahh, gotcha
[09:30] <andrewski> hunger: ooh, nice.
[09:31] <SpookyET> KDE can't start anymore
[09:31] <andrewski> and SpookyET forgets... ;P
[09:31] <SpookyET> no write access to /home/sori/.ICEauthority
[09:31] <hunger> andrewski: And in K->Switch user is the same functionality as is in the KDM.
[09:31] <SpookyET> wft?
[09:31] <andrewski> * andrewski remembers why he used to like KDE.
 KDE can't start anymore
 and SpookyET forgets... ;P
[09:32] <SpookyET> i forget about what
[09:32] <SpookyET> i installed gnome
[09:32] <andrewski> SpookyET: why you like KDE... n/m, it was a joke.
[09:32] <andrewski> sheesh.
[09:32] <andrewski> ;)
[09:32] <SpookyET> now KDE won't start
[09:33] <insanekane> SpookyET: what do u mean KDE wont start ? do you mean that GNOME starts by default ?
[09:33] <SpookyET> no, i mean it won't start
[09:34] <SpookyET> it gives me errors that it acccess foo and bar
[09:34] <SpookyET> gnome won't start either
[09:34] <insanekane> umm
[09:34] <SpookyET> console works
[09:34] <SpookyET> or not
[09:34] <Zugot> what kernels are you using?
[09:35] <SpookyET> it's because of vmware
[09:35] <SpookyET> vmware is spiting errors
[09:36] <tek> i still haven't installed vmware since i installed kubuntu, need to though.
[09:36] <SpookyET> maybe you can help me to do it
[09:36] <SpookyET> i got 5.0.13124
[09:37] <tek> i am flipping back and forth between systems right now, i have a system im setting up for a customer. not sure which version i have, its not that old though and ran fine under debian-sarge
[09:37] <tek> what happens when you run the vmwareconfig thing
[09:37] <Zugot> how do i revert to a previous version of the nvidia driver?
[09:37] <gdh> SpookyET: all you should need is the linux-headers package to match your kernel, plus basic gcc / libc6-dev
[09:38] <gdh> that's all I've needed with VMWare 3.x and 4.x
[09:38] <SpookyET> i installed vmware
[09:38] <tek> you might need the full source, for some reason i recall having to do that last time but i also built my own kernel
[09:38] <tek> which might be why i remember it. 
[09:39] <tek> what are the error messages
[09:41] <tek> i do recall i broke it by setting up my kernel without loadable modules last time but that was a simple fix. 
[09:41] <GhostFreeman> is tea time really a useful application
[09:42] <gdh> GhostFreeman: Certainly if you're obsessive about tea :)
[09:42] <GhostFreeman> lol\
[09:42] <GhostFreeman> wish I had some earl grey right now
[09:43] <andrewski> GhostFreeman: all i have is peppermint; i could go for some echinacea.
[09:43] <GhostFreeman> Zugot, you there. I still can't figure out that network applet
[09:44] <tek> <--prefers eXsspresso  make mine a 32 ouncer
[09:44] <Zugot> GhostFreeman: i'm trying to find it
[09:44] <GhostFreeman> ok
[09:47] <bobesponja> does kubuntu comes with qemu?
[09:47] <gdh> bobesponja: Yes, I just installed it :)
[09:47] <bobesponja> gdh: it's on the install cd?
[09:48] <gdh> bobesponja: No it's in universe...
[09:48] <hunger> Damn, no new stuff for days in (k)ubuntu!
[09:48] <gdh> bobesponja: 3MB of download - tiny :)
[09:48] <bobesponja> gdh:  is there a way to install ubuntu from a floppy or from my /dev/hda1/kubuntu.iso? my cd drive is dead :(
[09:48] <gdh> bobesponja: Haven't a clue...
[09:49] <gdh> bobesponja: It'll certainly be possible, but I don't know how.
[09:49] <_phil> hey
[09:49] <bobesponja> gdh: some guy on #ubuntu told me to do it with qemu, therefore my auestion
[09:49] <GhostFreeman> it would be a lot of floppies
[09:49] <GhostFreeman> and/or internet access
[09:50] <andrewski> bobesponja: maybe a network install?
[09:50] <bobesponja> andrewski: like how?
[09:50] <_phil> question for anyone.... why does the kmenu not show all the menus?????
[09:50] <andrewski> bobesponja: theoretically, you could mount another computer's cdrom.
[09:50] <_phil> menu items I mean
[09:50] <gdh> GhostFreeman: I guess an old style 'slackware rescue disk' would be able to mount partitions aleady on the drive then mount an iso via loopback..
[09:50] <andrewski> _phil: which ones aren't showing?
[09:50] <gdh> GhostFreeman: I don't know how you'd then launche the Ubu installer
[09:51] <GhostFreeman> i guess you could fit a network install on a floppy
[09:51] <hunger> Why does almost every KDE app crash when I am closing them?!
[09:51] <_phil> games, etc.. they show up in kmenueditor thingie but not on the actual menu
[09:51] <andrewski> _phil: dunno.
[09:51] <_phil> yeah...menu editor has them all but only a handful are showing up
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> hmm konquerer just started opening all new folders into tabs within the same window
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> how can i stop that/
[09:52] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: conf ;)
[09:52] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: konqueror has been bugging me too.
[09:52] <_phil> missing games, toys, science and math
[09:52] <_phil> but all showing up in menu editor
[09:52] <_ReDRuM_> yeh where in conf tm
[09:52] <_ReDRuM_> do you know?
[09:52] <bobesponja> andrewski: maybe i could use the livecd (to ease the pain), mount a cdrom with nfs and install it from there
[09:53] <andrewski> bobesponja: livecd... remotely, you mean?
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: konquer my desktop? it's konquering me...
[09:53] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: lol, yeah.
[09:54] <bobesponja> andrewski: no local, I then mount a cdrom remotly and install it from there or maybe that's not the way it works :)
[09:55] <_phil> can anyone help me or have the same problem with the menu items?? should I reinstall? it was doing the same thing with the PR as well
[09:55] <andrewski> bobesponja: i thought your cd drive was messed up???
[09:56] <exek> hi all :)
[09:57] <_ReDRuM_> i got a file - Theme.rc that's suppsed to set up a new splash screen. how do i install it?
[09:57] <andrewski> _phil: and you have programs installed in those categories, yes?
[09:57] <bobesponja> andrewski: it is messed up, every time I try to install a linux distro it fails copying all files although the other cd are working good on all my other computers, I can run koppix and ubuntu livecd though
[09:58] <GhostFreeman> hey guys
[09:58] <_phil> Im assuming so ... I installed games like lbreakout and I'm assuming it wsa put under games
[09:58] <GhostFreeman> How can I get a different background than the Kubuntu one?
[09:58] <ataxic> kcontrol
[09:58] <_phil> right click on the desktop
[09:58] <ataxic> or right click
[09:58] <andrewski> bobesponja: oh.  then yes, i think you could do that.  especially since you'd have all of ubuntu's installation tools on the livecd.  better ask in #ubuntu or look on the wiki though.
[09:58] <bobesponja> andrewski: thx
[09:59] <_phil> is there a configuration file for the kmenu that I can manually edit?
[09:59] <_phil> instead of menu editor?
[09:59] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[10:00] <andrewski> _phil: i'm sure there is, but i don't know where. ;P
[10:00] <andrewski> GhostFreeman: control center -> appearance -> background
[10:02] <GhostFreeman> ty
[10:02] <fishi> i have one question : is this distro is easy to use ? im at all newbie i use linux only for 8months 
[10:02] <Beineri> _phil: there is no single file controlling the whole menu
[10:02] <GhostFreeman> Fishi: I've only been using Linux for two months
[10:02] <andrewski> fishi: yes, you should be good.  which other distros have you used?
[10:03] <fishi> i use suse and mandrake 
[10:03] <Beineri> _phil: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec
[10:03] <GhostFreeman> (K)ubuntu is the most accessible distro i'm aware off 
[10:03] <fishi> and i wanted to use sth new , better
[10:04] <fishi> i was wondering because its basicly maked on debian and i heard that debian isnt so easy to use so im asking
[10:04] <fishi> sorry for bad english
[10:04] <andrewski> fishi: yes, ubuntu would probably be for you.  it's easier than debian but takes advantage of its package management (much better than RPMs).
[10:04] <_ReDRuM_> now firefox isnt opening
[10:05] <andrewski> fishi: and which DE have you used?
[10:05] <_ReDRuM_> it all worked so well... now its falling apart
[10:05] <fishi> DE ?
[10:05] <andrewski> fishi: desktop environment... KDE/Gnome/Xfce...
[10:06] <fishi> kde and gnome
[10:06] <andrewski> fishi: then pick your poison (that's an idiom) and install away! :D
[10:06] <fishi> :D
[10:06] <fishi> im downloading it now :] 
[10:06] <andrewski> fishi: which one?
[10:06] <fishi> kubuntu
[10:06] <andrewski> fishi: (k)ubuntu?
[10:06] <fishi> yes
[10:06] <andrewski> fishi: nice, have fun.
[10:07] <kkathman> hey all :)
[10:07] <fishi> thx for info andrewski  :]  
[10:07] <fishi> bye
[10:07] <Pyre>  Hasta luego, amigo. 
[10:07] <andrewski> fishi: good luck!
[10:08] <huhmz_> Hi im trying to change locale in KDE to swedish but only english is available, what package should i install?
[10:09] <huhmz_> language-pack-sv is installed and i have swedish locales generated
[10:09] <insanekane> huhmz_: sudo apt-cache search kde-i18n
[10:09] <huhmz_> right
[10:09] <huhmz_> thanks
[10:10] <Zugot> i really wish kde would recognize my camera as a camera instead of removeable media
[10:10] <huhmz_> oh and whats the name of the repository with even more stuff than universe? i seem to recall like an "uber universe" ?
[10:10] <insanekane> hmm
[10:10] <insanekane> huhmz_: multiverse
[10:10] <huhmz_> thank you kind sir
[10:11] <insanekane> np
 your camera is removable media, it has a CF card of some form of memory and that is all it needs to access
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: ctrl+alt+backspace fixed it
[10:16] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: LOL
[10:16] <kkathman> hey _ReDRuM_ !
[10:16] <sebas> Hi, I'm trying a custom 2.6.11, and I'm getting the following error:
[10:16] <sebas>  * Starting Hardware abstraction layer:
[10:16] <sebas> 22:13:24.880 [W]  hald.c:302: Your kernel does not support capabilities; some features will not be avail
[10:16] <_ReDRuM_> hi
[10:16] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_:  Got Samba working like a champ now :)
[10:16] <sebas> Did I miss some feature or patch? 
[10:16] <_ReDRuM_> cool.
[10:17] <Zugot> tek: it could be smarter...  all sony cameras use the same  format... so when i plug my camera in, it detects the folder format and launches a photo app
[10:18] <Zugot> i realy like the firefox search
[10:18] <Zugot> i miss it when i use konq
[10:19] <bobesponja> Zugot: you mean the google search? there is that in konq too las time I checked
[10:19] <Cius> hi
[10:19] <Zugot> bobesponja: nah... the find command <ctrl-f>
[10:20] <Cius> I've recently updated to using kubuntu, but I have a question
[10:20] <\sh> ok...
[10:20] <bobesponja> Zugot: ah yeah, that's kool though I can live without it
[10:20] <\sh> just released my first package for ubuntu/kubuntu :)
[10:21] <chavo> Zugot, type ahead find is in konq also.
[10:21] <\sh> qinx-1.4 is spreading the (k)ubuntu world :)
[10:21] <Cius> I noticed that kubuntu eats a lot of ram, whereas ubuntu didn't.  I assume this is because of kde, is anyone else experiencing this?
[10:22] <smouche> not me, Cius.  
[10:23] <\sh> anybody who wants to test it qinx kwin style/decoration/color-scheme?
[10:23] <insanekane> \sh: screenshot ?
 and what are you using now to view the pics on your camera in linux?
[10:24] <Cius> I must have something going thats eating up ram then.  under ubuntu, I averaged about 80 megs or so of ram idling, but under kubuntu, its more like 220 megs idle.
[10:24] <kkathman> Cius: you have to understand that yes it will use memory, but its pretty efficient
[10:24] <\sh> http://www.usermode.org/code/qinx.png
[10:24] <luc> hallo
[10:25] <Cius> kkathman, thats cool, I was just wondering if it was normal.
[10:25] <luc> ik spreek dutch
[10:25] <kkathman> hi luc, sophie
[10:26] <insanekane> \sh: hmm ... nice ... but i wouldnt switch
[10:26] <\sh> insanekane: qnx photon style 
[10:26] <kkathman> Cius I wish I knew a few secrets on memory optimization, but right now Im using around 480mb of 512, but no swapping, and Im running alot of stuff :)
[10:26] <\sh> insanekane: but u could test it :)
[10:26] <\sh> i like it, thats the reason why I packaged it :)
[10:26] <insanekane> hmm
[10:26] <g4m8i7> what's the default root password for kubuntu?
[10:26] <\sh> insanekane: nice for laptops
[10:26] <\sh> g4m8i7: sudo
[10:27] <g4m8i7> w00t, thanks
[10:27] <chavo> g4m8i7, it's disabled
[10:27] <g4m8i7> kubuntu virgin ;)
[10:27] <\sh> sudo su -
[10:27] <\sh> and u r root
[10:27] <SpookyET> my xconfig went foobar
[10:27] <g4m8i7> mm ok
[10:27] <kkathman> Cius: you can do a Ctrl-Esc to see everything thats running ,  or from a terminal session run "top"
[10:27] <SpookyET> 1376x1032 48Hz
[10:27] <SpookyET> shite
[10:27] <tek> \sh you are not root the first user added to the system is setup in sudo as a sudo user
[10:27] <tek> the file is /etc/sudoer
[10:28] <sophie_msumu> hello
[10:28] <tek> to become root or do any admin type of stuff you type your password when you run sudo su
[10:28] <Cius> kkathman, I used KSysGuard to see how much ram it was taking up after I tried to open OO.o writer and it took longer than I'm used to.  I was looking at my processes and noticed that xorg apparently takes up a lot of memory.
[10:28] <tek> or if prompted by a box for the root password.
[10:28] <\sh> tek: well...it's just like windows xp...the first user has admin or superuser privs
[10:29] <kkathman> Cius: thats pretty normal, on my system it takes up about 6%
[10:29] <tek> YUCK!!! dont say that
[10:29] <tek> \sh it is nothing like xp.
[10:29] <tek> xp never asked your for a password
[10:30] <SpookyET> What's the commnad to make kubuntu scan the hardware again.  I don't know all the supported resolutions from the top of my head.
[10:30] <g4m8i7> thanks much, guys:)  I like kubuntu much more than Mandrake, and I just installed it
[10:30] <Cius> kkathman, the vmsize field is what indicates mem usage per process, right?
[10:30] <smouche> Cius, ditto what kkathman says -- I'm amazed how much I can run with 512 Mb, and it's even pretty ;-)
[10:30] <insanekane> SpookyET: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:30] <g4m8i7> everything just works... it's amazing
[10:30] <tek> unless you set it up to do so and with xp nothing prevents you from setting up 1000 users all on the same box with admin priviledges
[10:30] <tek> you can not do that with linux 
[10:30] <chavo> tek, you could do that if you wanted to.
[10:31] <kkathman> Cius: do a 'top' in a terminal and you'll see a column that says %MEM
[10:31] <tek> sure if you edited the /etc/sudoers file and set them all up in there
[10:31] <Cius> kkathman, I'll try that real quick, thanks
[10:31] <kkathman> Cius: I wouldnt be surprised that XORG is your top vote getter :)
[10:31] <chavo> well, you'd still have to use sudo though.
[10:31] <\sh> tek: well..the prof version of course
[10:31] <kkathman> smouche:  Howzit goin today?
[10:31] <tek> but each one would get prompted for their password each time they did something that required more permissions than that of a regular user, 
[10:31] <SpookyET> insanekane: do i have to killx before that?
[10:32] <chavo> you can set sudo up to not propmt for password also.
[10:32] <tek> i setup winblows all the time, xp home and pro and admin around 350 boxes 
[10:32] <insanekane> SpookyET: possibly
[10:32] <chavo> tek, sounds like fun :)
[10:32] <tek> trust me, nothing remotely similar in how its handled and personally while i do use sudo i prefer root has a real password
[10:32] <Cius> kkathman, yea, around 6 or so
[10:33] <kkathman> Cius: yep sounds about right
[10:33] <chavo> tek, I know it's different, but I was just stating that you could do the same in Linux.
[10:33] <kkathman> thats just to be expected I guess
[10:33] <tek> if you use sudo and i crack your account i have root on your box with only one password
[10:33] <edgar> hi everybody!!
[10:33] <Cius> kkathman, this might be a newb ?? but waht is artsd?  that one yanks up about 6 or so eery now and then
[10:33] <chavo> It's not smart, or easy, but it can be done.
[10:34] <\sh> tek: well...I'd been asked every single time
[10:34] <kkathman> Cius: artsd is a sound daemon for KDE
[10:34] <smouche> hey, kkathman -- I was off fiddling with streamtuner -- how ya doin'?
[10:34] <kkathman> smouche: doing good...thanks for asking :)
[10:34] <tek> well you can also pipe /dev/random into /boot/vmlinuz but there is not valid reason to do it.
[10:34] <chavo> During the Mandrake setup, there's an option to disable the root password.
[10:35] <smouche> doing good for all the noobs, heh heh
[10:35] <narg> Heh, I join in the middle of a sudo/su flamewar?
[10:35] <kkathman> Cius: when you set up your sound there are several engines you can use, artsd is just one of them
[10:35] <Cius> kkathman, I've got a soundcard in my comp, but I'm not using it right now.  I don't have any speakers.  Would it be okay to kill artsd?
[10:35] <SpookyET> what do you use to list process
[10:35] <SpookyET> i thought it was proc
[10:35] <insanekane> SpookyET: ps ax
[10:35] <insanekane> SpookyET: man ps
[10:36] <HiveMind> is it usual for more then one instance of a process to be running on kde? (like 6 instances of getty?)
[10:36] <kkathman> Cius: You can kill it I imagine
[10:36] <smouche> Cius, with no speakers you've been spared the single most stressful event in a new kubuntu installation, imho --
[10:36] <edgar> hi anyone have problems with skype? sounds problems or have solved?
[10:36] <smouche> the dreaded "sound of breaking glass" ;-)
[10:36] <kkathman> Cius: not sure why it started tho, but my system has it running also
[10:37] <Cius> llathman, I'll try it and see what happens.  Thanks for the answers though.
[10:37] <Cius> kkathman*
[10:37] <kkathman> Cius: let me know what happens ... glad to be of help
[10:37] <smouche> kde error message sound alerts took months off my life till I disabled them
[10:37] <chavo> HiveMind, getty's are your virtual terminals
[10:37] <kkathman> crimsun might be able to answer the artsd question tho
[10:38] <SpookyET> i heard that kubuntu supports hibernate
[10:38] <edgar> no i haven't got sound
[10:38] <edgar> for talking
[10:38] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: my stupid konquerer problem came back
[10:38] <_ReDRuM_> it hates me
[10:38] <andrewski> heh, sorry.
[10:39] <HiveMind> oh.. but theres other ones also
[10:39] <edgar> i made the changes from the forum and nothing happens
[10:39] <_ReDRuM_> any of you know how to shrink the size of the title bars for windows too? (minor niggle i cant seem to work it out with knifty)
[10:40] <chavo> _ReDRuM_, it depends on the window decoration
[10:40] <chavo> _ReDRuM_, Plastik for instance is stuck on Huge.
[10:40] <narg> Hrm, is it fairly painless to switch x to a diffrient video card? (Planning on getting of my integrated crap soon ;p)
[10:41] <insanekane> narg: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:41] <chavo> Others can be configured. I am working on a smaller version of plastik, along with a simpler version of the plastik qt style.
[10:41] <kkathman> chavo: you know anything about why artsd starts up even though Im not using it anywhere?
[10:41] <narg> nod, hoped dpkg could reconfigure it to a dif one.
[10:42] <chavo> kkathman, did you look in the sound and multimedia prefs?
[10:42] <edgar> anyone use skype?
[10:42] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: choose a smaller window title font :-)
[10:43] <chavo> Yeah plastik does get smaller with a smaller font, but then you can't read the titles.
[10:43] <g4m8i7> why does kuser crash when I try to enable the root account?  I'd feel better if the password were separate from my own
[10:43] <chavo> It's still got like 10 pixels between the text and the border.
[10:43] <kkathman> chavo:  well yes, the only thing that kind 1/2way applies is maybe disabling sound?
[10:44] <edgar> i'm having problems with skype and the sound
[10:44] <ataxic> edgar: does your sound work?
[10:44] <kkathman> what is it in Linux that controls what gets loaded on startup?
[10:44] <ataxic> can you hear kde sounds or hear a mp3 play etc
[10:44] <insanekane> kkathman: init ?
[10:45] <insanekane> kkathman: /etc/init.g
[10:45] <insanekane> kkathman: /etc/init.d
[10:45] <tek> audio working perfect on my system, been listening to di.fm for 3 days now
[10:45] <edgar> yes
[10:45] <sophie_msumu> "Elves and Dragons!" I says to him.  "Cabbages and potatoes are better
[10:45] <sophie_msumu> for you and me."
[10:45] <sophie_msumu> 		-- J. R. R. Tolkien
[10:45] <chavo> kkathman, it depends. there is a script called startkde that launches KDE. it's in $KDEDIR/bin/startkde
[10:45] <kkathman> insanekane: thanks :)
[10:46] <edgar> yeah sure
[10:46] <kaleval> is there any way to install the contents of the live cd onto a hard drive? (sort of like knoppix's install scripts?)
[10:46] <edgar> but not in my skype
[10:46] <insanekane> kaleval: yes
[10:46] <insanekane> kaleval: but u will have to do it manually for now
[10:46] <chavo> kaleval, there's a way, but it's not easy.
[10:46] <insanekane> kaleval: ie, no scripts/gui/etc
[10:46] <kkathman> I just wondered if artsd was in one of those files, and I could remove it or something
[10:47] <insanekane> kaleval: http://www.willmer.com/kb/2005/02/installing-ubuntu-hoary-from-livecd/
[10:47] <tek> only problem i have had with the k2hd script was the partitioning, it doesnt allow you to setup partitions other than the one partition
[10:47] <insanekane> kkathman: no, you need artsd for KDE to work (afaik)
[10:47] <kaleval> insanekane: thanks
[10:47] <chavo> kkathman, you can compile kde to not use arts, but I believe kubuntu's version depends on it.
[10:48] <kkathman> insanekane: well, I just went to the control center, and turned off network sound, and that apparently stopped artsd, and KDE is working fine
[10:48] <kaleval> er... on second thought, i'll just download the install cd. i'm not into mucking around right now
[10:48] <kaleval> thanks anyway guys
[10:48] <kkathman> at least I dont see artsd anymore when I do a ctrl-esc
[10:48] <insanekane> kkathman: hmm ... thanks for the info
[10:50] <kkathman> yeah and its not in "top" either :)
[10:50] <kkathman> hmm learn something new everyday
[10:53] <zabu> firefox keeps crashing on me :(
[10:54] <apokryphos> zabu: use Konqueror ;)
[10:54] <sophie_msumu> apokryphos, konqueror is dope
[10:54] <sophie_msumu> it looks like the pope
[10:54] <sophie_msumu> ;-)
[10:54] <apokryphos> erm..
[10:54] <apokryphos> Konqueror looks sexy as ever here :P
[10:55] <smouche> I like konqueror in "midnight commander" mode, but that's it!
[10:56] <abinadid> how do i install this software "kaid-7.0.0.4-linux_x86.tar.bz2"
[10:58] <tek> tar -xjvf kaid*
[10:58] <insanekane> abinadid: doesnt it come with installation instructions ?
[10:58] <apokryphos> it likely has an INSTALL file, or README.
[10:58] <tek> that will uncompress the file
[10:58] <_jrk> <--noob question here (can't find answer)  anyone know why screensavers would not run on 5.0.4?
[10:59] <tek> cause the desktop looks to damn good to waste time on a screensaver??? no i don't know
[10:59] <tek> sorry.
[10:59] <_jrk> lol
[11:00] <_jrk> x.org working fine, opengl working fine, can't get a single saver to run... clock stops and get entry in kdm.log but nothing appears on screen. it's weird
[11:00] <tek> what is the entry in the log file say specifically?
[11:00] <abinadid> there is two files one is the tar one supossed to go in the usr/bin
[11:00] <_jrk> SetGrabKeysState - disabled
[11:00] <abinadid> the other one on /etc
[11:00] <_jrk> SetGrabKeysState - enabled    when i click to bring it back to life
[11:01] <_jrk> that's in messages also
[11:01] <family> hi
[11:01] <smouche> I wish that fewer screensavers were installed; I got worn out disabling most of them, and finally just said, screw it, blank screen
[11:01] <abinadid> but when i tried to copy the file did not letme 
[11:01] <family> i have a question for kubuntu : the firefox font is somehow from gnome and very small ... where can I change it ?
[11:01] <tek> no idea, have to look into it and i don't have the time right now ..... sorry, perhaps someone else does though?
[11:02] <apokryphos> family: download the gtk2-engine-gtk-qt package
[11:02] <family> apokryphos : thanks :o)
[11:03] <smouche> I'm amazed at how efficient kde is with a lot of stuff running; I'm near maxed out on ram, and no apparent performance hit
[11:03] <apokryphos> family: then, from kcontrol you can alter GTK fonts/style
[11:03] <gdh> family: Just for completeness - the name is gtk2-engines-gtk-qt 
[11:03] <gdh> (engines rather than engine)
[11:03] <apokryphos> bah :P
[11:03] <_jrk> smouche... a lot of that "maxxed out" is probably just filesystem caching
[11:03] <gdh> apokryphos: :)
[11:04] <_jrk> so nobody has ever heard of a problem running the screensavers? I was afraid of that 
[11:04] <family> thank you, have a nice evening :o)
[11:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, evening :)
[11:05] <apokryphos> hey
[11:06] <ztonzy> been cleaning, doing laundries here most of the day *proud*
[11:06] <apokryphos> ztonzy: you can alter voice control from changing shortcuts in kmix
[11:06] <apokryphos> hehe. Congrats ;)
[11:06] <ztonzy> voice ?
[11:06] <ztonzy> thanks:)
[11:06] <apokryphos> *sound control
[11:06] <ztonzy> but we didnt talk about voice ?
[11:06] <ztonzy> hehe
[11:07] <apokryphos> you just have to Right_click and configure shortcuts
[11:07] <ztonzy> I tried...but my keyboard buttons didnt react
[11:08] <apokryphos> but you got the configure shortcuts dialogue up?
[11:08] <ztonzy> yes
[11:08] <apokryphos> Darn. You likely need drivers for your keyboard
[11:08] <ztonzy> hmm, I wonder if my keyboard isn't detected properly
[11:08] <ztonzy> there isn't any EX-100
[11:09] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[11:09] <_ReDRuM_> nobody disagreed with my emerge apt-get
[11:09] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[11:09] <ztonzy> but there's Logitech Cordless Desktop
[11:09] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: i would say more like apt-get portage.
[11:09] <_ReDRuM_> too many trolls on freenode must have rendered them immune :P
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: yeh i could do that if i wanted to end up with a bunch of broken gentoo ebuilds on my system that randomly misbehave on recompiles after synching :P
[11:11] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: it's just too bad apt doesn't do things as well as portage.  maintenance things.
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: it's not portage that i have anything against (apart from it being written in python and therefore slow) it's just bugs in the ebuilds...
[11:12] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: yeah.  although it's quite fast, if you ask me.
[11:12] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: compiling is not, though. :P
[11:12] <GhostFreeman> Hey, guys, how can I get default back in Firefox
[11:12] <andrewski> GhostFreeman: default configuration?
[11:12] <GhostFreeman> KDE crashed, and now I can't access default in GNOME
[11:13] <sebas> _ReDRuM_: I'm not sure if python is the reason why portage is slow, emerge -help does a stat() on _all_ ebuild files, it might also be just bad programming.
[11:13] <sebas> (Just an example)
[11:13] <sebas> s/the reason/the only reason
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: it's not, for instance using the support tools like equery or qpkg to search for a package.... wow... find /var/db/pkg -type d -name '*blah*' so much faster
[11:13] <GhostFreeman> yeah, default configuration
[11:13] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: hmm, true.
[11:14] <andrewski> GhostFreeman: i think you could rm the .mozilla/<something weird> dir... i *think*
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> sebas: compare eix (gentoo apt-cache written in C) to the python one (I forgot it's name) - and you will see a big difference in speed
[11:14] <GhostFreeman> would I haveta reinstall all my extensions
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> for rebuilding the database - not for searches (a tiny one for searches)
[11:14] <sebas> _ReDRuM_: Yeah, I know, but maybe eix is just written better (and also in another language) ... 
[11:14] <andrewski> any way to make the mouse wheel scrolling not change focus?
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> sebas: yeh, another language... that's what i said was my only niggle with portage itself - such a complex program should be written in C for speed reasons
[11:15] <GhostFreeman> I'll need to reinstall all my extensions -- that's the part I hate
[11:15] <sebas> Sure, python is slower than C, but that's no explanation for emerge --help doing that sort of things on so much files.
[11:15] <sebas> The truth might be somewhere in between there.
[11:16] <_ReDRuM_> it's unbeliveable how slow searching the package database is
[11:16] <_ReDRuM_> anyways - what do i care i've only got one gentoo system left and she will be retired soon :P
[11:16] <sebas> Nothing compared to compiling KDE :>
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> bugs that i reported that is
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> i used to sit down for an hour every few days fililing bug reports
[11:18] <_ReDRuM_> that shouldnt be necessary :P
[11:18] <sebas> OTOH, the Gentoo people are often the first who notice compiler problems (merely due to the variance of systems), so we should probably be thankful :D
[11:18] <sebas> People like you, _ReDRuM_, actually :-)
[11:18] <sebas> (no offence intended)
[11:19] <_ReDRuM_> people like me what?
[11:19] <andrewski> i must say, i dig kompos.
[11:19] <sebas> Who are filing all the bugs that are eventually ironed out before other distros use the packages
[11:19] <_ReDRuM_> oh right :)
  awesome thing to do, while it is a pain in the arse it is what makes linux improve at the speed it is. 
[11:19] <tek> never underestimate the power of bug reports
[11:20] <tek> or importance
[11:20] <sebas> What I tried to say is that Gentoo probably has positive side-effects for other distros.
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> well - heh had people been able to help me out with my problems like i spent countless hours helping the other gentoo users out then perhaps i would have stayed but my systems needed to work and they would break - nobody would or could help me so it had to go
[11:20] <andrewski> sebas: yes, it is perhaps the most bleeding-edge of any distro.
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: didn't you know it's cool to bash gentoo? :P
[11:20] <tek> ahh, break-my-gentoo.. almost as much fun as playing a game of control-panel
[11:21] <GhostFreeman> well
[11:21] <GhostFreeman> I was able to cp my old settings to a new FF profile
[11:21] <_ReDRuM_> ahh sweet.
[11:22] <_jrk> anyone know what could possibly cause the screensavers to not run? using 5.0.4, ati, x.org   everything works, including h/w accel
[11:22] <GhostFreeman> still, i'm not touching KDE again until some major bugfixes are done
[11:22] <cartel_> gooda morning all
[11:22] <GhostFreeman> I was looking at screensavers. screensavers
[11:22] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: i've had my days. ;P
[11:23] <GhostFreeman> and it just froze up -- had to hard boot
[11:25] <cartel_> GhostFreeman: what are you whining about?
[11:25] <GhostFreeman> system crash while looking at screensavers
[11:25] <cartel_> GhostFreeman: if you found a bug in kde, bugzilla.kde.org
[11:25] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: screenie? :P
[11:25] <_jrk> it doesn't crash when i run a screen saver. the screen just stops updating and nothing else shows. when i click, it comes back to  life as if i stopped running a saver
[11:25] <tek> my major problem with kubuntu so far has been konqueror locking up periodically. had to go back and start using firefox again. 
[11:25] <GhostFreeman> ok
[11:25] <cartel_> GhostFreeman: Xscreensaver?
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> woa - gimp with gtk-qt engine is sweet - now all they need to do is work the look of the kde file dialogs into gtk, and make the kde ones work more like the gnome ones, and we have one hell of an OS
[11:25] <GhostFreeman> no, the screensaver cp
[11:26] <cartel_> _ReDRuM_: we already have one hell of an os.
[11:26] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: oh, that's it? :P
[11:26] <cartel_> GhostFreeman: the screensaver part in kcontrol made you crash?
[11:26] <GhostFreeman> yeah
[11:26] <cartel_> GhostFreeman: previewing OpenGL screensaver?
[11:26] <GhostFreeman> its likely
[11:27] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: or maybe convert gnome/gtk file dialogs into KDE/Qt ones ... and we still have one hell of an OS :)
[11:27] <cartel_> GhostFreeman: and that hosed your .kde?
[11:27] <_ReDRuM_> cartel_: i'd say we have maybe 1/2 of a hell of an OS. satan isn't too worried just yet. there's still plenty of room for improvement :)
[11:27] <cartel_> _ReDRuM_: satan is very worried :p
[11:27] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: heh yeh thats what i was trying to say :P
[11:27] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: make the kde ones work more like the gnome ones <- ???
[11:27] <cartel_> _ReDRuM_: the balance of power has already shifted :)
[11:27] <cartel_> the gnome picker is SHIT
[11:27] <GhostFreeman> yeah.
[11:28] <andrewski> insanekane: that sounds like a better idea to me; the GTK one is better IMO.
[11:28] <cartel_> GhostFreeman: so it killed all your settings and kde wont even boot you say?
[11:28] <GhostFreeman> no, kde will boot
[11:28] <insanekane> andrewski: i rather like the KDE one ;)
[11:28] <andrewski> cartel_: you can't preview, it's too complicated, and it's hard to browse.
[11:28] <GhostFreeman> but that part freezes it up and I haveta hard boot
[11:28] <_ReDRuM_> insanekane: the gnomeish ones do handy things like allowing you to type "blah" to hilight file "blahhhh" - kde really needs that
[11:28] <andrewski> insanekane: oh, i misunderstood you. :P
[11:28] <GhostFreeman> I can boot back into KDE and GNOM
[11:28] <GhostFreeman> GNOME*
[11:28] <cartel_> _ReDRuM_: thats a wishlist bug :)
[11:29] <_ReDRuM_> it's my biggest gripe with kde.
[11:29] <cartel_> _REDRuM_: bugs.kde.org / launchpad.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <_ReDRuM_> bigger than the random sig 11's
[11:29] <chavo> _ReDRuM_, you can do that in kde also, just put the focus on the file list, and then type what you're looking for.
[11:30] <_ReDRuM_> chavo: it always keeps highlighting the beginning of files for be like typing "blah" higlightits "band, lamp, alpha and halo"
[11:30] <cartel_> GhostFreeman: you know that Xscreensaver has the most bleeding edge / hackerish X code there is right? its pretty much a free for all, and most importantly, jwz wont do shit if it caused a crash for you UNLESS you file a bug report
[11:30] <_ReDRuM_> if your one works differently... pfft. i want your one :P
[11:30] <chavo> _ReDRuM_, you just have to type quickly to get the second letter and so on.
[11:30] <insanekane> _ReDRuM_: yeah ur right ... KDE doesnt have that
[11:30] <insanekane> chavo: really ?
[11:31] <_ReDRuM_> chavo is insisting it does....
[11:31] <chavo> _ReDRuM_, you were talking about the file selector.
[11:31] <_ReDRuM_> he's right
[11:31] <_ReDRuM_> if you type it fast it works
[11:31] <cartel_> my biggest gripe about kde isnt really about kde, its about web pages
[11:31] <chavo> but konq does it also
[11:31] <cartel_> not displaying correctly in konq :)
[11:32] <cartel_> thats not konqs fault, its lazy web coders :)
[11:32] <chavo> cartel_, bugs.kde.org
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> it needs to be slowed down
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> thats way too fast
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> i have to put it in at fast enough to type at least 60-70wpm
[11:32] <motaboy> c'mon guys. let's start coding for kde :D
[11:32] <cartel_> _ReDRuM_: you mean... you need an option to be able to change its sensitivity
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> yes
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[11:32] <chavo> yeah, you have to type the next letter pretty quickly, but it works when you get used to it.
[11:32] <cartel_> _ReDRuM_: file a wishlist bug its pretty trivial :)
[11:33] <_ReDRuM_> it is now it has the feature...
[11:33] <chavo> Oh no, not another option in Control Center.
[11:33] <_ReDRuM_> it was major before it had it.
[11:33] <chavo> _ReDRuM_, I'll look into it.
[11:33] <chavo> Maybe not an option, but slowing it down a little bit.
[11:33] <_ReDRuM_> cool :)
[11:34] <_ReDRuM_> i could do it myself if i stopped being lazy it cant be harder than changing an integer :P
[11:34] <_ReDRuM_> she? he.
[11:34] <insanekane> oh yeah it works :)
[11:34] <cartel_> chavo: it can go in accessibility.
[11:35] <Tm_T> plah, why I'm not sleeping
[11:35] <_ReDRuM_> the default should be slower since chavo is the only person i've ever mentioned this to who realised KDE really does have that feature
[11:35] <_ReDRuM_> and i've been moaning about it for months :)
[11:35] <insanekane> ok .. 3am here .. time to sleep .. cya all
[11:36] <cartel_> _ReDRuM_: i agree its pretty useless :)
[11:36] <insanekane> cya _ReDRuM_, 
[11:36] <chavo> Either that or it should be documented.
[11:36] <cartel_> CRAP i forgot my headphones again
[11:36] <_ReDRuM_> bye kane
[11:38] <_ReDRuM_> i guess whoever put it in thought "eh power user feature" without realising they themselves must be a GUI filemanager power user ++ :P
[11:38] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:39] <_ReDRuM_> any suggestions for further improving the prettyness of kde: http://xs404.xs.to/pics/05140/snapshot4.jpg
[11:39] <_ReDRuM_> i know it's shallow but i like a sexy desktop :P
[11:40] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: dropshadow
[11:40] <_ReDRuM_> appearence -> style -> effects dropshadow?
[11:40] <_ReDRuM_> cause it's on... it just doesn't work on my system for some reason...
[11:41] <_ReDRuM_> nothing in that tab does except menu translucency
[11:41] <_ReDRuM_> probably for the same reason the baghira theme window titlebars dont work
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> eh im happy.
[11:42] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: what's the weather desklet?
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: liquid weather for superkarama
[11:43] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: ok.
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> superkaramba is in the repo
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> you have to download liquid weather but it doesnt need compiling
[11:43] <andrewski> anyone been able to get kwin's drop shadow with nvidia cards?
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: it's flakey with my ATI too
[11:43] <Tm_T> andrewski: yes
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: which driver you using? opensource or official?
[11:43] <Tm_T> easiluy
[11:44] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: official causes it to freeze.
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: sure easily, you just clicked the button and it worked for you.
[11:44] <andrewski> Tm_T: any freezing problems?
[11:45] <Tm_T> andrewski: no
[11:45] <_ReDRuM_> andrewski: i remember setting up nvidia official drivers on another system and having a headache with it but by fooling around with the nvidia specific options in xorg.conf it eventually behaved itself
[11:45] <andrewski> Tm_T: what instructions did you follow?  i haven't been able to get it to work.
[11:45] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I installed drivers and configured my xorg.conf
[11:45] <andrewski> _ReDRuM_: i couldn't get a good combination of those.
[11:45] <Tm_T> andrewski: done it my own way
[11:45] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: paste your settings?
[11:45] <andrewski> Tm_T: could you paste your xorg.conf?  i've tried a lot of stuff.
[11:46] <Tm_T> I'll do that
[11:46] <_ReDRuM_> http://pastebin.ca <--- good place to paste them to
[11:46] <andrewski> Tm_T: i'm assuming you're using the latest driver?
[11:46] <Tm_T> andrewski: I think so
[11:46] <andrewski> Tm_T: well, hoary, right?
[11:46] <Tm_T> what else =)
[11:46] <andrewski> Tm_T: then yes. ;P
[11:46] <cartel_> hmm
[11:46] <apokryphos> Who here knew about the /cmd with konversation? Prints output of a command in konvi. i.e.
[11:47] <apokryphos> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-k7 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:56:05 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:47] <cartel_> guys can you try running khotkeys from konsole
[11:47] <_ReDRuM_> cool :) /exec -o from bitchx :P
[11:47] <_ReDRuM_> Linux delta 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:47] <_ReDRuM_> sweet
[11:47] <apokryphos> cool eh?
[11:47] <_ReDRuM_> yeh... kinda useless but fun :P
[11:47] <cartel_> tom@shockwave:~/octopus$ khotkeys
[11:47] <cartel_> ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.
[11:47] <andrewski> Tm_T: just use my nick when you respond; i'll brb.
[11:47] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: why 386 kernel?
[11:47] <_ReDRuM_> should have the option to output it to just local also
[11:47] <apokryphos> Uptime: 9 hours and  minutes
[11:48] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: cause i heard there was problems with the 2.6.11 so i haven't bothered changing it until they fix the problems with 2.6.11
[11:48] <_ReDRuM_> my system is working adequately...
[11:48] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I Mean why 2.6.10-5- _386_ 
[11:48] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: lazyness.
[11:48] <Tm_T> bah
[11:48] <tek>  14:48:23 up 2 days, 6 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.36, 0.46
[11:49] <Tm_T> 00:50:09 up 40 days,  5:39, 10 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[11:49] <Tm_T> =)
[11:50] <_ReDRuM_> 10 users?
[11:50] <Tm_T> yes
[11:50] <_ReDRuM_> how many shells you need :P
[11:50] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I'm not the only user
[11:50] <_ReDRuM_> on your local system?
[11:50] <_ReDRuM_> what the other guys doing on your desktop?
[11:50] <apokryphos> cartel_: but that isn't the place for user support
[11:50] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: that's my irssi server :p
[11:51] <_ReDRuM_> oh :)
[11:51] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I use it trough ssh
[11:51] <Tm_T> and many others
[11:51] <_ReDRuM_> running an irc server... heh haven't done that since i was 15
[11:51] <Tm_T> 00:51:30 up 79 days,  4:38, 62 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.10, 0.09
[11:51] <_ReDRuM_> used to have one in new zealand and some script kiddie dos'd it so badly he took out ove 90% of new zealands connectivitiy for several minutes
[11:51] <Tm_T> other irssi box
[11:52] <_ReDRuM_> suffice to say we became friends after that heh
[11:52] <_ReDRuM_> easier than having that happen every few days
[11:52] <Tm_T> =)
[11:52] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: no, not irc server, thats different :p
[11:53] <_ReDRuM_> i thought irssi was an irc client? is it a file server?
[11:53] <Tm_T> just box where we run irssi
[11:53] <_ReDRuM_> oh to bounce from?
[11:53] <Tm_T> no
[11:53] <Tm_T> no bounce
[11:53] <_ReDRuM_> what purpose is it?
[11:53] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I connect to ti by ssh and use it like local :p
[11:54] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[11:54] <Tm_T> doesn't matter where you are, same irssi ;p
[11:54] <_ReDRuM_> like you say - doesnt matter - same irssi
[11:54] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[11:54] <Tm_T> yep
[11:55] <Tm_T> bouncing is way different
[11:55] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: i know the technical distinction, to me it is the same thing, ircing from a different host...
[11:55] <Tm_T> haa
[11:56] <Tm_T> hmm, our main server is down, so I only have 2 irssi running :/
[11:56] <_ReDRuM_> addict :P
[11:57] <\sh> guys...
[11:57] <_ReDRuM_> http://www.torrentspy.com/default.asp#Spammer%20sentenced%20to%20nine%20years
[11:57] <Tm_T> hm
[11:57] <Tm_T> hang him
[11:57] <_ReDRuM_> spammer gets 9 years jail :)
[11:57] <\sh> the right place for kwin-styles/decoration/color-schemes and .desktop files for those is?
[11:57] <\sh> ./usr/share/apps/kwin ?
[11:57] <Tm_T> \sh: there's place in your home dir
[11:57] <_ReDRuM_> \sh: you can put them in your own directory if its only for your use
[11:58] <SpookyET> i wish there was apt-get uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[11:58] <_ReDRuM_> debinstall? checkinstall
[11:58] <_ReDRuM_> SpookyET: you can't do that?
[11:58] <_ReDRuM_> why won't it let you?
[11:59] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: this is for me also the only correct place...but lintian is warning me ;)
[11:59] <SpookyET> ubuntu-desktop is not a known package
[11:59] <Tm_T> so you don't have it
[11:59] <_ReDRuM_> apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[11:59] <_ReDRuM_> you probably already removed it
[11:59] <_ReDRuM_> but what you want to do is remove those dependencies
[11:59] <SpookyET> it's there
[11:59] <SpookyET> i got gnome installed
[12:00] <_ReDRuM_> if you have kubuntu-desktop installed you should be able to remove them all just fine since kubuntu and your gnome apps will protect the needed bits...
[12:00] <SpookyET> i tried apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:00] <_ReDRuM_> \sh: you can put them in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwin
[12:00] <apokryphos> SpookyET: that won't do anything; it's a metapackage
[12:00] <SpookyET> how do you remove it?
[12:01] <apokryphos> SpookyET: you want to remove all gtk etc?
[12:01] <SpookyET> i want to remove all ubunto-desktop