[12:02] <ogra> hehe, hwdb.ubuntu.com submission stats:
[12:02] <ogra> 07.04 - 515
[12:02] <ogra> 08.04 - 839
[12:02] <ogra> 09.04 - 1696
[12:04] <Mithrandir> heh
[12:04] <Mithrandir> what's the arch ratio like?
[12:05] <ogra> arch ratio ?
[12:05] <ogra> wait, i have to run the scripts
[12:05] <Mithrandir> yeah, how many i386-vs-amd64-vs-ppc
[12:06] <ogra> they run quite long now.... will be a serious task to get a database instead of flatfiles....grep gets slow with more then 30000 200k files in a dir....
[12:07] <ogra> and i guess we hit 10000 on monday
[12:07] <Mithrandir> use a hashing so you don't have that many files
[12:09] <ogra> i think up to 30000 i'll be fine as it is... so i have until next weekend to get something basic in place there...
[12:10] <ogra> (hoping the rate goes below 1000 a day again after the release hype)
[12:10] <Mithrandir> just remember that ext2/3 is massively unhappy when you hit 65k.
[12:10] <ogra> yep...
[12:11] <ogra> amd64 691
[12:12] <ogra> ppc is running....
[12:12] <ogra> but i guess its below 250
[12:17] <ogra> ppc is 197
[12:18] <Mithrandir> jdub: we want zoomed images in the locations with overlap.
[12:25] <ogra> hmm, this rised from 10% to 11% ... http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/nullswap.html
[12:28] <blahrus> Mithrandir: still around?
[12:53] <trulux> I know I'm timed out...but.... the new look and feel of ubuntulinux.org rocks!
[01:04] <kivio> hi
[01:12] <Robot101> ogra: what are other processing plans other than getting worried at lack of swap?
[01:14] <ogra> Robot101, first of all i will writte something like a "online device manager" where you can lookup the data for your syste....i got basically all data from hal plus some X and boot data...
[01:14] <ogra> (for support and bugreports you will only have to attach your id then)
[01:15] <jdub> Mithrandir: yeah
[01:15] <jdub> tseng: pong
[01:15] <Robot101> hmm
[01:16] <Robot101> ogra: cool. what about some "everyone has $foodevice and it works/doesn't work?"
[01:16] <ogra> Robot101, next we could have a overview with ranking for best supported HW
[01:16] <ogra> exactly
[01:16] <Robot101> read it as soon as I pressed enter, hehe
[01:16] <Robot101> upgrading from warty to hoary leaves a lot of cruft on your system
[01:16] <ogra> the options are endless....
[01:16] <Robot101> python2.3* for a start
[01:17] <Robot101> could one provide upgrade metapackages which conflict with things obsoleted from main/universe?
[01:18] <ogra> ubuntu-cleanup ?
[01:18] <Robot101> ogra: does that exist, or was that a suggested name? :)
[01:18] <ogra> just a name :)
[01:19] <Robot101> ogra: something like ubuntu-upgrade-warty or something
[01:19] <Robot101> ogra: because they would necessarily be unique to the release you were upgrading from
[01:19] <Robot101> the release notes tell you to dist-upgrade (or equiv. with synaptic) and then install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <ogra> i think a simple apt-get purge `deborphan` after upgrade would be sufficient
[01:20] <Robot101> which isn't great - one downloads xfree86 from universe and them immediately you replace it with xorg
[01:21] <ogra> hmm, indeed, thats a bandwith waste...
[01:21] <Robot101> plus there are some automatable things in the release notes
[01:22] <Robot101> "post-upgrade" reads to me... postinstall script of the upgrade package :)
[01:22] <ogra> hmm, they are not written for devs ;)
[01:23] <Robot101> well
[01:24] <Robot101> I mean, as it stands the instructions aren't very easy to follow, and aren't optimal (downloads stuff then removes it, leaves stuff behind)
[01:24] <Robot101> my ideal upgrade would be... update sources list, update, install magical-update-package, reboot
[01:24] <Robot101> and if magical update package isn't possible, install magical-update-manager, run it, reboot
[01:25] <alp> Robot101: yeah. i'd buy that
[01:26] <ogra> Robot101, that will be the way hoary->breezy ... its already there
[01:26] <Robot101> Setting up libasound2 (1.0.8-1) ...
[01:26] <Robot101> ldconfig: /usr/lib/libgslcblas.so.0.0.0 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
[01:26] <ogra> all other ideas would have involved to develop something for warty which was not an option
[01:26] <Robot101> ldconfig: ow ow ow jesus christ
[01:26] <Robot101> Setting up libxkbfile1 (6.8.2-10) ...
[01:26] <Robot101> dpkg: error processing libxkbfile1 (--configure):
[01:26] <Robot101>  : Input/output error
[01:26] <Robot101> dpkg: failed to open `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for writing status information: Input/output error
[01:26] <Robot101> E: Segmentation fault
[01:27] <Robot101> robot101@phi:~ $ df -h
[01:27] <Robot101> bash: df: command not found
[01:27] <Robot101> me waves bye bye
[01:27] <alp> ogra: deborphan won't check to see if packages are available in the repository or not, only if something depends on them
[01:27] <Robot101> (I guess that would constitute a failed upgrade)
[01:27] <alp> whatever have you done, Robot101?
[01:27] <ogra> alp, he was talking about removing unused stuff from the system..... nothing in hoary main depends on py2.3
[01:28] <Robot101> at a guess, xfs ran out of disk space and "forgot" to report an error until dpkg had written lots of 0 byte libraries over all my real libraries
[01:28] <jdub> o/~ aaaaaaafternoon delight o/~
[01:28] <Robot101> then ldconfig died
[01:28] <Robot101> and hell broke loose
[01:28] <alp> yeah, but if you have a single program from warty that depends on python 2.3 and is still installed (say, because it was dropped in hoary or renamed), it all stays
[01:28] <Robot101> ogra: what does synaptic do to support upgrades from hoary to breezy?
[01:29] <Robot101> change sources.list for you, run dist-upgrade, install -base and -desktop?
[01:29] <ogra> update-manager does detect ubuntu CDs now...
[01:29] <tseng> it doesnt seem to work very nicely with a proxy
[01:29] <tseng> doesnt read http_proxy afaict
[01:30] <tseng> unless its because gksudo is purging env
[01:30] <ogra> tseng, update-manager ?
[01:30] <jdub> yo tseng 
[01:30] <tseng> yo jdub 
[01:30] <jdub> man
[01:30] <jdub> wtf
[01:30] <tseng> ogra: yes.
[01:30] <jdub> bbq!
[01:30] <tseng> omglol
[01:30] <ogra> tseng, i guess it uses the settings from synaptic
[01:30] <jdub> there are hardly any names on the UWW list!
[01:30] <tseng> :(
[01:30] <tseng> jdub: so
[01:30] <tseng> jdub: im running meebeys 1.1.6!
[01:30] <tseng> jdub: with beagle 0.9!
[01:30] <jdub> elite!
[01:30] <tseng> 3-fn-1337
[01:31] <tseng> BBQ4EVAH
[01:31] <mdke> mdz, ping
[01:31] <tseng> jdub: yeah dude, breezy
[01:38] <jdub> elmo: ping
[01:38] <jdub> elmo: flat thom says hi
[01:42] <ogra> thom lied about his actual location i think :)
[01:42] <Robot101> hmm
[01:42] <Robot101> is there a file in /proc that has the dmesg output in?
[01:44] <ogra> nope
[01:44] <thom> ogra: well, my usual actual location is probably right
[01:44] <ogra> /var/log/dmesg is the place
[01:44] <Robot101> er, I'm guessing my / filesystem is suspended
[01:44] <Robot101> so I can't read any files or use any binaries
[01:45] <Robot101> robot101@phi:~ $ while read i; do echo $i; done </var/log/dmesg
[01:45] <Robot101> bash: /var/log/dmesg: Input/output error
[01:45] <ogra> thom, what is usual nowadays...we just had a release....
[01:45] <ogra> :)
[01:46] <mx|gone> tseng: what's meebeys?
[02:27] <maswan> heh. still the most northly one on the map. :)
[02:28] <mdke> who has special access to the wiki?
[02:28] <mdke> need a couple of icons renamed
[02:28] <ogra> maskie, at least your name is readable.... mine is already hidden in the crowd
[02:29] <ogra> *maswan
[02:32] <maswan> ogra: well, if torkel, stric and a few others in this city register, I'll be hidden too
[02:32] <ogra> heh, by a handful of people, yeah ;)
[02:32] <maswan> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/random/GnomeWorldWideHuge.jpg
[02:32] <maswan> actually, it is just me and Stric on that one, so we both manage
[02:33] <ogra> jeah, but more southern it gets blurry
[02:34] <ogra> i always wondered about the big distance between nat and miguel on this map...
[02:35] <daniels> maswan: as far as I can tell, I'm still the southernmost :)
[02:35] <Pizbit> Heh, lost city of atlantis
[02:37] <Pizbit> Bah, South Islanders aren't worth the breath to say their names:)
[02:37] <mpt> haha
[02:37] <mpt> A fellow Paradise subscriber, eh
[02:38] <daniels> mpt: is that the first documented occurrence of a north islander doing that?
[02:38] <Pizbit> In Wellington.
[02:38] <mpt> daniels: If the North Islanders get too rowdy, we'll just cut the Cook Strait power cable
[02:39] <Pizbit> mpt: And if the south islanders get too rowdy, we just ignore them like we always do! :D
[02:39] <mdke> no one owns up to having edit permissions to the icons on the wiki?
[02:40] <schweeb> wow, that map is neat
[02:40] <mpt> Pizbit: What city are you in, anyway?
[02:40] <schweeb> useful for telling you who should be awake in the ubuntu world :)
[02:40] <mpt> oh
[02:40] <schweeb> never noticed the nighttime shadow before
[02:41] <maswan> schweeb: by looking at that map, should I be awake now?
[02:41] <Pizbit> schweeb: What about nat and omiguel? They're in the night for long long periods of time, do they hibernate?:)
[02:41] <schweeb> maswan: heh, no
[02:41] <eruin> rupert looks lonely
[02:42] <schweeb> Pizbit: yes. whiprush hibernates, why shouldn't they
[02:51] <mdz> Kamion: let me know when your mirror is up to date so I can attempt that debzilla merge again
[02:54] <thom> mdz: so can i do that firefox-loc-en-gb upload to hoary-updates soonish? you saw another instance of the symptoms over the weekend on #8821
[02:55] <jdub> o/~ skyrockets in flight, afternoon delight... aaah-aah-aah afternoon delight! o/~
[02:56] <ogra> mdz, did you recognize my hwdb numbers before ?
[02:57] <jdub> UWW is looking better
[02:57] <mdz> thom: that guy seemed to say that the buttons were non-functional; I thought the problem was only that the text did not appear
[02:58] <mdz> ogra: no
[02:58] <thom> mdz: no, it totally kills the buttons
[02:58] <mdz> thom: oh, ugh
[02:58] <thom> (go firefox! it's your birthdya, etc)
[02:58] <mdz> thom: fix is simple and safe?
[02:58] <ogra> hwdb submissions: 06.04 - 520
[02:58] <ogra> 07.04 - 515
[02:58] <ogra> 08.04 - 839
[02:58] <ogra> 09.04 - 1696
[02:58] <mdz> ogra: nice!
[02:58] <thom> mdz: 4 line addition; yes, definitely safe
[02:58] <ogra> Total: 8119
[02:59] <mdz> thom: ok
[02:59] <mdz> thom: (if you break hoary, I know where you live)
[02:59] <thom> mdz: but i have cunningly changed continents in the mean time!
[02:59] <ogra> heh
[02:59] <mdz> I will lie in wait with the patience of the ages
[02:59] <mdz> and a shotgun
[03:00] <mdz> or perhaps I will follow you to australia
[03:00] <daniels> mdz: easy enough to do at heathrow
[03:00] <jdub> mdz: ha ha!
[03:00] <ogra> hehe
[03:00] <jdub> mdz: but you don't know thom's location!
[03:00] <jdub> ha ha!
[03:00] <jdub> (ah, shit... mdz knows where *i* live...)
[03:00] <mdz> he can't be hard to find
[03:01] <mdz> I'll ask in which direction the frightened englishman ran
[03:01] <jdub> with NO HAIR
[03:01] <mdz> taht reminds me, I need to cut my hair
[03:01] <maswan> he ran _that_ fast?
[03:01] <daniels> mdz: dude, it's *sydney*
[03:02] <mdz> daniels: they don't cut their hair in sydney?
[03:02] <mdke> jdub, you don't have permissions to rename icons uploaded to the wiki do you?
[03:02] <daniels> mdz: they'll likely point you to either scubar or bondi beach, at which point you will be confronted with forty thousand frightened englishmen ('OH MY GOD!! YOUR STAR BURNS! I DEMAND FROZEN TREATS! MY SKIN IS MELTING! etc')
[03:02] <daniels> mdz: that being said, the odds of thom being at either of those locations is good, you just have to spot him in amongst the other pale englishmen
[03:03] <mdz> and there's where I have aa clever plan
[03:03] <jdub> mdke: hrm, dunno
[03:03] <mdz> I *know what thom looks like*
[03:03] <thom> meh, i've not been to scubar for FOUR YEARS
[03:03] <mdke> jdub, or maybe know someone who does? normally sm does these things for us but he's not here
[03:03] <jdub> daniels: ha ha ha
[03:03] <jdub> ah
[03:03] <jdub> it's funny because it is true
[03:04] <mdz> thom: it might be wise to confirm with elmo that hoary-updates is vaguely functional/safe
[03:04] <thom> mdz: a plan so cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel!
[03:04] <mdke> heh
[03:04] <jdub> mdz: i've uploaded u-c-a there, but elmo hasn't turned it on yet (so it's safe in that it won't let us break anything yet)
[03:04] <lamont> jdub: how often is UbuntuWorldWide's picture updated?
[03:04] <jdub> thom: may a carrot fall on your head at an inappropriate moment
[03:05] <jdub> lamont: every three minutes atm
[03:05] <lamont> I see
[03:05] <mdz> there are 50,000 sparc packages in queue/unchecked
[03:05] <jdub> no, less than that
[03:05] <mdz> like, every package dholbach uploaded this past week
[03:05] <jdub> lamont: every half hour
[03:05] <thom> mdz: so i'll do the locale update tomorrow, when i'va had sleep in a horizontal position
[03:05] <lamont> mdz: I could provide a boatload of hppa packages to help fill up queue/unchecked... :0)
[03:05] <mdz> thom: I hope you can sleep upside-down
[03:06] <jdub> lamont: i was mistaking "time it takes to connect to the wiki and download the page source" and "how often it runs"
[03:06] <jdub> ;-)
[03:06] <thom> mdz: upside-down is fine compared to cattle class
[03:06] <mdz> I suppose you all hang upside-down like bats to sleep down there
[03:06] <lamont> jdub: heh
[03:07] <thom> mdz: you're provided with straps to attach yourself to the floor at immigration
[03:07] <Riddell> jdub: does UbuntuWorldWide update directly from the wiki?
[03:07] <jdub> Riddell: yes
[03:07] <Riddell> clever
[03:07] <jdub> mmm, waiting for the kde scripts to turn up
[03:07] <jdub> so i can spruce it up a bit
[03:08] <Riddell> jdub: apparantly he uses an old version of xplanet because it has better support for these things.  a european zoom would be cool
[03:08] <mdke> jdub, so that's a no?
[03:09] <jdub> mdke: i don't really grok attachments with zwiki, no
[03:09] <mdke> hmm ok
[03:09] <maswan> I want a mouse-tracked magnifying glass with variable zoom. :)
[03:09] <mdke> jdub, cheers anyway
[03:10] <jdub> Riddell: so i attempted a euro zoom for the gnome one, took a lot of fiddling
[03:10] <jdub> might have to roll back to old xplanet
[03:10] <maswan> jdub: you don't have a bigger planet so you can start out by making a huge and then scale it down for the global view?
[03:10] <jdub> maswan: *so* tempted to get one of the really high resolution maps and do a lame google maps style scroller ;)
[03:11] <jdub> maswan: hrm?
[03:11] <maswan> jdub: that would be neat. :)
[03:12] <maswan> jdub: make a high res globe, convert(1) it down to a resonable size for the global map, crop out the hotspots for separate maps?
[03:12] <mdz> jdub: isn't it possible to use google maps for this?
[03:12] <ogra> jdub, this releases MOTU target for me was to find some hula to drop in.... breezys target for my MOTUness is grass5 and a mapserver :)
[03:12] <mdz> (itself)
[03:12] <maswan> mdz: hmm.. the satelite images are global these days, right? otherwise the maps were north america only lst time I looked
[03:13] <jdub> mdz: you can't see other countries
[03:13] <jdub> mdz: you imperialist scum!
[03:13] <mdz> jdub: facts are boring
[03:13] <maswan> jdub: click the "Satellite" link in the right upper corner
[03:15] <jdub> maswan: yeah, but no love for most other countries
[03:16] <maswan> jdub: well, it goes 5 zoom-steps in
[03:16] <maswan> at least where I have looked :)
[03:17] <maswan> that's enough for a screenful of GB
[03:17] <mpt> Or use a fisheye map that magnifies places where people are currently present, pushing the isolated countries/continents out of the way
[03:18] <maswan> or a sweden that needs two screenfulls
[03:18] <maswan> mpt: yeah, that was the effect I was looking for. I doubt you can do that easily with a bit of javascript and some images though. :)
[03:19] <eruin> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=61.199341,4.932861&spn=2.642212,4.119873&t=k&hl=en
[03:19] <eruin> thats where you wanna live ;-)
[03:20] <sladen> jdub: you could actually improve on the Google Map scroller by smooth zooming---the browser will take care of scaling the map tiles for you up/down from the nearest mipmap
[03:20] <jdub> dudes, i am so sticking to cheap off the shelf parts
[03:21] <maswan> Cannonical should hire a full-time employee to make the best map ever! ;)
[03:21] <thom> eruin: no dude, you've gone up and right too far and missed angland
[03:21] <ogra> lol
[03:21] <jdub> ahar
[03:21] <jdub> thom raises a good point
[03:22] <jdub> in his addled, jet-lagged state
[03:22] <jdub> we need breezy-changes quick smart!
[03:22] <thom> i am addled?
[03:23] <mdz> if you have to ask, the answer is yes
[03:23] <jdub> *snicker*
[03:23] <thom> heh
[03:23] <daniels> thom: f-i-r-e-f-o-x
[03:23] <thom> this is possible yes
[03:24] <daniels> firefox is more crackful than X, almost
[03:25] <jdub> hrm, should i transfer the h-c subscribers over to b-c?
[03:25] <ogra> yeah
[03:25] <sladen> OMG.  Google maps have added europe
[03:25] <daniels> jdub: you should transfer me, 'cause I'm lazy
[03:26] <Riddell> sladen: ooh?
[03:26] <maswan> sladen: only in low-res satellite images, right?
[03:28] <jdub> Mithrandir: jdub_owes_tfheen_beer++;
[03:28] <sladen> maswan: yup, but it's one step on their way to recognising that the World consists of more than just North America and Puerto Rico
[03:29] <schweeb> jdub: you should automatically reconfigure my news reader too, since I'm using gmane :)
[03:30] <jdub> i've just subbed the regular subscribers
[03:31] <jdub> the others aren't dedicated enough
[03:31] <jdub>   ubuntu-devel:792
[03:31] <jdub>   ubuntu-users:1754
[03:32] <jdub>   ubuntu-announce:3808
[03:34] <ogra> jdub, i guess tollef wont do anything useful in UdU, everyone coming owes him beer++
[03:54] <ogra> night all
[03:54] <Riddell> I'm the most northerly Ubuntu person
[03:55] <Riddell> no wait, there's some norwegians way up there
[03:55] <ogra> Riddell, maswan and Mithrandir 
[03:55] <ogra> and there is somene on iceland it seems
[03:56] <ogra> ah, no...
[03:56] <sladen> Riddell: I think Troodheim (sp) is more northerly than Edinburgh
[03:59] <maswan> I'm further up north than Mithrandir
[03:59] <maswan> and Edinburgh is way down south :)
[04:02] <ogra> but it looks suspicious as if the script is confused by Byron Poland who has added no nickname....people below him dont show up
[04:03] <ogra> hmm, now they do...
[04:15] <sladen> ooh.  I've just found that   <script> while(1) { window.status="foobar"; } </script>    hangs Firefox
[04:16] <ogra> sladen, thats a mean script...
[04:17] <sladen> I was trying to debug something.  Turns out that updating  window.status  is disabled by default unless you toggle an option in about:config
[04:18] <ogra> oops, thats bad
[04:44] <tseng> hey dudes
[04:50] <jdub> pants off
[04:52] <tseng> pants way off
[04:54] <schweeb> from the ubuntu-calendar backgrounds, and the conduct of this channel, it appears as though Ubuntu is a pants free zone :)
[04:54] <daniels> pants are most certainly off
[05:00] <jdub> schweeb: ahr, just wait until you see april's!
[05:00] <jdub> (stuck in hoary-updates NEW)
[05:00] <Lathiat> jdub: get it through NEW already :)
[05:02] <schweeb> jdub: got a linky? :)
[05:03] <schweeb> if it's got the blonde chick in it, it's sure to be pleasing to the eyes
[05:03] <tseng> i dont like her face
[05:03] <jdub> no blondes :)
[05:03] <tseng> i hope its not the dude
[05:03] <schweeb> ^^^^
[05:03] <tseng> its his turn to show his pooper
[05:03] <tseng> can we skip him?
[05:03] <schweeb> hahahha
[05:04] <Lathiat> haha
[05:05] <Lathiat> maybe its sabdfl in some kind of evil trick :)
[05:17] <schweeb> jdub: whole lotta good the ubuntu-calendar for April is, if it's stuck in NEW... considering April is nearly 1/3 of the way over :P
[05:17] <jdub> uh huh
[05:17] <jdub> (it hasn't been in NEW for long though)
[05:22] <Lathiat> this is why you should upload it to p.u.c so we can get a sneak peak :)
[05:22] <jdub> special treats for #u-d?
[05:22] <Lathiat> yup
[05:22] <jdub> since when did we do that?! ;-)
[05:22] <Lathiat> bah
[05:22] <jdub> correct answer: SINCE ALWAYS!
[05:22] <Lathiat> haha
[05:23] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/hoary/
[05:24] <Lathiat> :)
[05:25] <Lathiat> bbl
[05:30] <schweeb> jdub: omg... it's so... not naked
[05:30] <gabaug> my display, mouse, keyboard, and sound freeze up often (since a couple weeks ago), usually when opening a new program or webpage (latest Hoary)
[05:31] <SuperQ> schweeb: naked?
[05:32] <schweeb> SuperQ: the ubuntu calendar artwork for april... no naked women or men
[05:33] <daniels> jdub: shit dude, that's awesome
[05:33] <daniels> jdub: i think the design people have a thing for sparkles though
[05:33] <schweeb> yea, it is pretty neat.  and sparkly
[05:36] <daniels> man, the weather applet says thunder/lightning and 33C
[05:36] <daniels> I SEE NO THUNDER
[05:37] <daniels> I SEE ONLY THE FRIGGING SUN
[05:43] <aj> i see no thunder / see only the frigging sun / frigging burning me!
[06:02] <ups> someone deleted the UbuntuWorldWide page?
[06:02] <jsgotangco> yeah its gone
[06:02] <jsgotangco> i was just checking today
[06:02] <jsgotangco> ill check the recycle_bin
[06:06] <jsgotangco> OMG even the recycle_bin is empty
[06:07] <ups> i hope jdub can restore it :(
[06:08] <jsgotangco> wait i think i can restore it now
[06:16] <jsgotangco> ok ive restored it but i dont know if it will work hmmm i think the last guy in the entry accidentally deleted it
[06:17] <ups> jsgotangco: i still get a blank page
[06:18] <Pizbit> Er, what's a "sit0" as seen in /proc/net/dev ?:)
[06:21] <sladen> jsgotangco: try, I got an edit conflict just as I pressed okay
[06:22] <smurfix> Pizbit: that's a question for #ubuntu
[06:25] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[06:25] <jsgotangco> the dots are not appearing
[06:32] <jsgotangco> sladen: try again
[06:33] <sladen> jsgotangco: no, I was just trying to fix the deletion
[06:33] <sladen> you beat me to it
[06:33] <jsgotangco> ouch
[06:34] <jsgotangco> but the jpeg doesnt reflect the coordinates
[06:34] <sladen> jdub only has it regenerated every 15minutes or so
[06:35] <jsgotangco> ok i hope i didnt miss something
[06:35] <sladen> there you are, it's been regenerate now
[06:35] <sladen> press refresh
[06:36] <ups> great, it's back :)
[06:36] <jsgotangco> yay its back
[07:31] <jdub> sladen: 30min
[07:39] <jsgotangco> ahh
[07:41] <jsgotangco> ooohhh the map is getting crowded
[07:45] <jdub> jsgotangco: see live.gnome.org/GnomeWorldWide for comparison ;)
[07:45] <desrt> fabbione; fam problems again :)
[07:45] <zenrox> whares ours??
[08:16] <Lathiat> jdub: well the blues are much less depressing than the browns :)
[08:16] <Lathiat> jdub: but where have the naked wimin gone :)
[09:47] <Mithrandir> blahrus: pong
[09:47] <Mithrandir> jdub: why do you owe me more beer?
[11:07] <trygvebw> Question: Is a XFCE version of Ubuntu being worked on or planned?
[11:07] <GoneBoB> trygvebw: no
[11:08] <trygvebw> GoneBoB, ok :)
[11:11] <HiddenWolf> And that's an utter shame, really. :)
[11:35] <brrrt> heya guys!
[11:35] <brrrt> i just want to say THANK YOU all! 
[11:35] <brrrt> you are the best!
[11:36] <brrrt> hoary is soooo great :)
[11:36] <brrrt> ubuntu is the distro many people were waiting for even if they do not know by now ;)
[11:38] <brrrt> congratulations !
[11:42] <HiddenWolf> Now _Any_ dev show up here and say thanks, pronto!
[11:43] <AstralJava> Guess they're all resting after partying :)
[11:48] <sladen> jdub: has somebody broken the page agin?
[11:49] <HiddenWolf> sladen, site still not up and running smooth?
[11:50] <ups> sladen: this time it has been deleted completely?
[11:55] <Lathiat> hmm hal died
[12:21] <mdke> where's that worldwide page
[12:23] <kent> mdke, this one? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide
[12:24] <mdke> yeah that one
[12:24] <mdke> its deleted
[12:24] <mdke> and not in the recycle bin either
[12:24] <mdke> oh yes it is
[12:25] <kent> Perhaps it took to much resources? If everyone tried to edit it, and it always showed that picture, then perhaps it was a bit to much?
[12:25] <mdke> nah someone just pressed delete by accident/on purpose
[12:26] <mdke> should let jdub know because when we restore it the map won't work no more
[12:27] <Kamion> elmo: ?
[12:30] <mdke> kent, ok i've restored it, maybe the map will restore itself automatically, dunno
[12:39] <Lathiat> its ctd
[12:41] <kent> mdke, thanks for restoring it. Now i'm on the list aswell.  :)
[12:41] <mdke> ;)
[12:41] <mdke> map isn't working tho
[12:41] <mdke> ooooh now it is
[12:42] <kent> mdke, Hopefully he can restore the xplanet-thing without deleting the list of people :)
[12:42] <ups> mdke: the map updates every 30 mins
[12:42] <mdke> right
[12:42] <mdke> kent, i think you may have got your coordinates wrong
[12:42] <mdke> doesn't look much like sweden
[12:44] <mdke> kent, you have the same lat as long
[12:44] <kent> mdke, oh, shit. Sorry :8
[12:45] <mdke> heh
[12:46] <brrrt> there will be a time called "before ubuntu" <---
[12:46] <trygvebw> AU
[12:46] <trygvebw> BU
[12:46] <trygvebw> woops
[12:46] <kent> mdke, updated :)
[12:46] <trygvebw> wrong channel
[12:47] <kent>  12 B.U  ;)   And A.U? (Aminus Ubuntus, haha, or something like that)
[12:48] <brrrt> hehe
[12:48] <brrrt> yes
[12:51] <kent> mdke, pretty few dots in Russia and Africa.
[12:51] <mdke> very true
[01:44] <Kamion> mdz: my debzilla--fv3 mirrors on chinstrap/rookery are up to date now
[02:18] <Micksa> hi
[02:18] <Micksa> is xvncviewer broken for anyone else?
[02:18] <Micksa> latest hoary
[02:36] <ctd> Micksa: seems fine, here.
[02:58] <trulux> oops
[02:58] <trulux> neither doko or pitti are here
[03:00] <trulux> tseng: time to start the work on gcc-3.4 and gcc-3.3, and, as I haven't ported all to 4.0, by now we must keep in mind to contact the GCC folks
[03:00] <tseng> sure.
[03:00] <trulux> I can try to move some things and see what happens, but I can't give any guarentee for it
[03:01] <trulux> I'm going to send an email about our Breezy goals, CC'ed to -devel
[03:01] <trulux> also I need to announce the final revision of libssp packages
[03:01] <trulux> updated the PIC syscalls
[03:01] <trulux> a step further is to work on portability
[03:01] <trulux> I've done my homework reading on some specs. ;)
[03:01] <tseng> we dont need to worry about pic for breezy really
[03:02] <tseng> just try it on a few apps
[03:02] <tseng> not *
[03:02] <trulux> right, but we gain momentum by implementing it within libssp
[03:03] <trulux> pappy- broke it (even if he thought he rocked the house ...), I needed to fix the syscall callbacks and the macros for PIC syscalls, so, we don't need to worry about it
[03:03] <trulux> I'm using Kevin Q.'s fu, it was on the gentoo bugzilla time ago, he posted the bits
[03:03] <trulux> so
[03:03] <trulux> lorenzo@estila:~/kernel/selinux/01/execstack-regression $ ls ~/proyectos/hardened-toolchain-wrappers/
[03:03] <trulux> hardened-gcc-wrapper-1.4.2.c  hardened-ld-wrapper-1.4.2.c  Makefile  vuln-stack.c
[03:03] <trulux> lorenzo@estila:~/kernel/selinux/01/execstack-regression $
[03:04] <trulux> I worked that with pappy-, when he wasn't that mad (quite good work from him), those are the wrappers for gcc-X.Y-hardened
[03:04] <trulux> just lemme finish the physics paper I'm writing, mess a bit with povray and then I will be back to build it
[03:07] <trulux> I've been working on a new SELinux permission, execstack, I'm testing and studying it's impact with Stephen (not spb), it will provide stack executability control from SELinux, enforced by somewhat NX tech. (ie. PaX, Exec Shield)
[03:07] <trulux> also I've been studying ES, it's a good technology even if some people don't think so
[03:07] <tseng> ES could be on for breezy
[03:07] <tseng> and selinux targetted, as colin said
[03:07] <trulux> tseng: without a sabotaged paxtest (too weird the nested function and the other anti-ES trick...)
[03:08] <trulux> right
[03:08] <trulux> we have +90% done around SELinux, openssh package is left and pam is broken due to syntax changes, I'm going to fix it ASAP
[03:08] <tseng> targetted?
[03:08] <trulux> right
[03:08] <tseng> rock!
[03:08] <trulux> you missed a while on ubuntu-hardened...
[03:08] <trulux> look:
[03:09] <tseng> paste it there
[03:09] <tseng> please.
[03:09] <trulux> http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/selinux/ubuntu/selinux-policy-targeted/
[03:09] <tseng> oh.
[03:10] <trulux> I've testimonials on our work, a guy from an Australian GLUG was able to set up a SELinux box with our work
[03:10] <trulux> so
[03:10] <trulux> it's getting tested
[03:10] <trulux> bbl, lunch time
[03:10] <trulux> I will get the steroids for this afternoon session ;P
[03:18] <bob2> all the network stuff is resolved, right?
[03:19] <mdke> website is workin
[03:19] <ogra> looks like
[03:24] <HiddenWolf> What was the problem, besides the load?
[03:24] <ogra> the ISP broke the line apparently
[03:24] <ogra> the load wasnt a problem afaik
[03:25] <Lathiat> just not enough bandwidth
[03:26] <maswan> Lathiat: nah, it was actual breakage
[03:26] <Pizbit> ogra: No one warned the ISP eh?:)
[03:27] <ogra> Pizbit, according to our datacenter admin, the ISP was informed long ago, the line was ordered, it just broke...dont ask me why...
[03:27] <Pizbit> Ahh
[03:28] <ogra> (as i dont know more details) ;)
[03:30] <maswan> I'm hoping that this showed to our campus network admins that we weren't joking when we said that we want bandwidth. :)
[03:30] <ogra> heh
[03:31] <Pizbit> Hehe
[04:04] <chapeaurouge> thank you topic.
[04:05] <chapeaurouge> aaah
[04:05] <ogra> :) 
[04:06] <ogra> thanks for the hint :)
[04:06] <chapeaurouge> well..
[04:06] <chapeaurouge> im trying to get to bugzilla
[04:06] <chapeaurouge> but it wont get there
[04:06] <ogra> works fine here
[04:06] <chapeaurouge> hmm
[04:06] <chapeaurouge> kk
[04:06] <ogra> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:07] <chapeaurouge> Secure connection: fatal error (10) from server
[04:07] <chapeaurouge> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:07] <chapeaurouge> Transmission failure.
[04:07] <chapeaurouge> that's what i get
[04:07] <chapeaurouge> hmm
[04:07] <chapeaurouge> works with firefox..
[04:07] <chapeaurouge> but not opera...
[04:08] <chapeaurouge> anything weird with your certificate?
[04:08] <ogra> no idea, i never had probs with it....(but i never used opera, and dont know any peorson on this world using it...)
[04:09] <chapeaurouge> haha.. bc you haven't known the best yet ;)
[04:09] <ogra> hmm....
[04:18] <Robot101> where can I see how the livecd cloops are made?
[04:19] <Robot101> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDDesign seems old
[04:23] <tseng> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[04:23] <chapeaurouge> can't attach files to the LaunchPad ?
[04:24] <Robot101> tseng: no I want to know what the difference is between what's on the LiveCD and what's on the HDD after you do an install
[04:24] <tseng> oh
[04:24] <ogra> there is none afaik
[04:24] <tseng> there are different "seeds"
[04:24] <Robot101> so the livecd & cloop is just made by running debootstrap?
[04:25] <Robot101> there's no manual frobbing, just what casper does, which is similar to what base-config would do for you after the install?
[04:26] <Robot101> I'm thinking you can just use device mapper to move the blocks onto the HDD, install a bootloader, eject the CD -> zero reboot install, and no need to address any "installer/packages on liveCD" problems
[04:26] <ogra> Robot101, you'll have to wait for details until mdz shows up i guess
[04:26] <mdz> ?
[04:26] <Robot101> and you can just keep using it while your system installs...
[04:27] <tseng> you could probably do a debootstrap off the cd anyway
[04:27] <mdz> Robot101: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDevelopment/UbuntuExpress
[04:27] <Robot101> yes but that's lame, the CD is already a debootstrapped image that's running on the computer
[04:28] <Robot101> mdz: hmm... I wanted to do this with Debian about two years ago, but no sufficiently unmutilated Debian liveCDs existed for me to base it off
[04:29] <Robot101> mdz: the easiest method is just to relocate each block in the device-mapper thing onto the HDD (like what pvmove does with lvm)
[04:31] <mdz> Robot101: that copies a lot of unnecessary data, and requires resizing the filesystem afterward.  it's simpler to create a new filesystem on the disk and do a file-level copy
[04:31] <Robot101> hmm
[04:31] <Robot101> but it does have the benefit that you can keep using the system whilst and after the "install" takes place
[04:32] <mdz> of course it does
[04:32] <Robot101> which is cool... zero-reboot install :D
[04:32] <melodie> hello :)
[04:32] <Robot101> ext2 can do on-line resizing can't it?
[04:32] <mdz> zero reboot is possible, but it's not the same thing as running from the CD
[04:33] <Robot101> sure, you can pivot into the disk and then do the first boot tasks then
[04:33] <mdz> the same thing is possible with d-i; we've discussed it in the past and agreed that a reboot is a good idea
[04:33] <melodie> I'm looking for a link to read lists of packages in Live Hoary. Is there a list for that ?
[04:33] <mdz> melodie: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/SeedManagement
[04:34] <melodie> thanks! :)
[04:34] <mdz> Robot101: oh, I read "does" as "doesn't" in your earlier message
[04:35] <Robot101> mdz: possibly in the installer a reboot is neater, but in the liveCD you're using it and think it's cool... if it can move itself to your HDD in the background and then just eject the CD when it's done
[04:35] <mdz> file copy is both simpler and faster
[04:35] <Robot101> it doesn't matter it takes longer if you can use the system in the meantime
[04:35] <mdz> Robot101: the reboot is a good idea in order to test that the boot process works correctly
[04:35] <mdz> rather than, say, using the system for a week and then discovering that it doesn't boot
[04:35] <Robot101> if you have to sit and stare at a progress bar, it does matter
[04:35] <Robot101> ok, so it can tell the user to reboot at their nearest convenience :)
[04:35] <smurfix> Robot101: Suppose you work with the new Ubuntu for a weekn and then it doesn't boot up for some reason. I don't want to experience the frustration of *that* user.
[04:36] <mdz> you don't have to stare at a progress bar in any case
[04:36] <Robot101> but the file modifications you make might not be reflected in the installed system
[04:36] <smurfix> Much better to check that booting works, as soon as possible
[04:37] <Robot101> hmm
[04:37] <mdz> install-without-reboot is a neat gimmick, and I'm tempted to do it just because it can be done, but I don't think it's the right way to do a default install
[04:37] <Robot101> I like the "no-install-at-all" gimmick
[04:37] <Robot101> you boot the CD and just start using it :)
[04:38] <Robot101> (how long does it take to dd 2GB anyway? presumably cloop's good at compacting consecutive zeros)
[04:39] <tseng> so if beagle/mono goes into main for breezy, does the universe team loose control of that?
[04:40] <smurfix> Robot101: It takes quite a while when you also try to do some actual work on the system at the same time
[04:40] <smurfix> Robot101: Seeking on a CD is expensive because the rev speed changes
[04:41] <smurfix> Robot101: plus the copy flushes stuff out of your memory unless you're extra careful
[04:42] <ogra> smurfix, you should correct your data on the worldmap ;) or did i miss that nuernberg is an island :)
[04:42] <smurfix> ogra: *sigh*
[04:42] <ogra> *g*
[04:42] <melodie> mdz: didn't find the list of apps I seek for yet but I found sthg that can interest developpers of Live branch: where should I report ?
[04:42] <zul> there is a world map now?
[04:45] <smurfix> zul: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide
[04:45] <Nigelenki> where do I go if #ubuntu and ubuntu-users@ doesn't get me any help
[04:45] <zul> cool...,miss a day...miss alot
[04:46] <tseng> Nigelenki: google?
[04:46] <melodie> Nigelenki: what level user ?
[04:46] <Nigelenki> I have a laptop I can't make work, a zv5405us
[04:46] <azeem> file a bug
[04:46] <Nigelenki> according to google -->  http://words.haddons.net/archives/000041.html USB works out of box, nvidia needs tweaking, wifi needs ndiswrapper for a driver.
[04:47] <Nigelenki> however, usb 1.1 isn't working, the given tweaking to get nvidia working doesn't work, and the mailing list and #ubuntu are giving me no help.  I'm about to crawl the forums but . . . :/
[04:47] <Nigelenki> azeem:  I'll consider that, once i determine all of the things not working and what "should" work :)
[04:48] <melodie> and here ?
[04:48] <melodie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[04:49] <Nigelenki> I think I saw that, my model is in there.
[04:49] <Nigelenki> huh, no it's not.  There was another wikipage though that also mentioned the 5405 specifically though
[04:53] <smurfix> Wow, the Wiki notices edit conflicts now
[04:55] <Robot101> hmm
[04:55] <Robot101> the livecd has hibernate
[04:55] <Robot101> if I hibernate, will it resume? :)
[04:57] <Nigelenki> do you have a swap partition?  :)
[04:57] <Robot101> yes
[04:57] <Nigelenki> then it might ;)
[04:57] <Robot101> but there's no way for the isolinux to know what that is, so it won't pass resume=/xxx to the kernel
[04:58] <ogra> then it could work
[04:58] <Robot101> ie, livecds shouldn't have a hibernate unless the bootloader can be made to do that
[04:58] <Nigelenki> boot: live resume=/dev/hdc99
[04:58] <alp> it's a bit worrying that both the livecd and installer enable powernowd by default, even if the laptop is plugged in. it slows things down a lot, particularly the livecd
[05:01] <Robot101> well, there are 209 updates available... to my livecd...
[05:03] <melodie> I just read a line about the Error 2  Grub reports on Live CD's :)
[05:03] <melodie> Error 21
[05:04] <Robot101> that's outdated, the livecd uses isolinux
[05:04] <melodie> then no more 21 Error Grubs ?
[05:05] <toresbe> /usr/local/lib64/libX11.so.6: undefined reference to `XauGetBestAuthByAddr'
[05:05] <toresbe> /usr/local/lib64/libX11.so.6: undefined reference to `XauDisposeAuth'
[05:05] <toresbe> oops, wrong #ubuntu
[05:36] <trulux> Nigelenki: mine is zv5045eu, and I needed to do a lot of tweaking to get all working with Gentoo, the MMC/Flash card reader doesn't work yet
[05:38] <Nigelenki> trulux:  heh, card reader is known to not work, what about usb1.1 with an x86 base
[05:38] <Nigelenki> trulux:  http://words.haddons.net/archives/000041.html  I can't get these results
[05:39] <trulux> hey pitti 
[05:40] <pitti> Hi guys
[05:40] <trulux> pitti: I was talking to tseng on the Breezy toolchain work
[05:40] <trulux> Nigelenki: no idea, it just worked well for me, the ATI card was the asspain
[05:40] <trulux> pitti: :D
[05:41] <zul> pitti: the things you do for love
[05:41] <zul> or if you are a masochist
[05:41] <ogra> hey pitti
[05:42] <pitti> zul: hey, she liked it :-)
[05:42] <pitti> and grokked it after 10 minutes
[05:42] <zul> i bet :)
[05:42] <pitti> she uses it now to write heir diploma thesis
[05:42] <zul> cool
[05:42] <dilinger> pitti: have you branched off that and forked your own thesis? :)
[05:43] <Nigelenki> trulux:  you using an amd64 base?
[05:43] <Nigelenki> or x86?
[05:43] <trulux> Nigelenki: x86
[05:43] <pitti> dilinger: too late, I already defended mine in July 04 :-)
[05:43] <Nigelenki> trulux:  usb1.1 works with ubuntu?  or you don't have it installed?
[05:43] <trulux> Nigelenki: I still have gentoo in the laptop
[05:43] <Nigelenki> trulux:  it's an 80 gig hard drive dude :D  you can do more than one OS
[05:44] <trulux> Nigelenki: that's stupid for a laptop ;)
[05:44] <Nigelenki> heh
[05:45] <trulux> Nigelenki: I was running FreeBSD 5.3 before Gentoo
[05:45] <trulux> and it worked well too
[05:45] <trulux> nvu is shit
[05:45] <trulux> ;)
[05:45] <pitti> dilinger: 1.3.foo?
[05:45] <Nigelenki> oh wow
[05:45] <trulux> test Amaya or just bluefish
[05:45] <Nigelenki> I was gonna burn ros 0.2.5 yesterday
[05:45] <Nigelenki> 0.2.6 is out.
[05:45] <dilinger> pitti: yea, lifeless just fixed a bug for me, so it's usable again
[05:46] <pitti> ah, cool
[05:46] <Nigelenki> " NVIDIA OpenGL hardware acceleration works (Gregor Anich)"  :D
[05:48] <ogra> Nigelenki, we will have nvu in universe in breezy...
[05:48] <zul> bbl...going to re-install
[05:48] <ogra> Nigelenki, there is already a package waiting for reviews....
[05:49] <Nigelenki> cool
[05:49] <Nigelenki> ogra:  when does breezy open btw
[05:49] <ogra> no idea
[05:49] <Nigelenki> I want snort 2.3(.2) so that I can do some tests with the new ids
[05:49] <Nigelenki> it has IPS functionality -- snort-inline merged :D
[05:50] <Nigelenki> (in 2.3 rc1 or something)
[06:17] <tseng> ogra: after the backports are up!
[06:17] <bob2> ew, backports
[06:17] <ogra> tseng, i held back on that one ;) i'm fearing it could become a running gag ;)
[06:18] <bob2> if people insist on making them, they should really get help so they can work properly
[06:18] <tseng> bob2: its our inside joke.
[06:18] <tseng> breezy can start after someone has a breezy-backports
[06:18] <ogra> ;)
[06:19] <tseng> im almost certain someone is going to backport our mono stuff as soon as I put it in breezy
[06:19] <ogra> tseng, yop
[06:19] <tseng> at least its better than the current situation
[06:19] <Nigelenki> tseng:  You've had enough for now, this isn't hollywood :)
[06:20] <tseng> people doing their own horrible mono packaging
[06:20] <tseng> Nigelenki: huh?
[06:20] <trulux> lol
[06:20] <bob2> tseng: hah, right
[06:20] <Nigelenki> tseng: <tseng> breezy can start after someone has a breezy-backports * Nigelenki puts a plate of crack in front of the Snort logo
[06:20] <trulux> Nigelenki: :)
[06:20] <tseng> ENOBRAIN?
[06:21] <Nigelenki> anyway.  I tend to wait like, a month or two; then add the next repo to the current sources.lst
[06:21] <Nigelenki> so like hoary + breezy in june maybe
[06:21] <tseng> good call.
[06:21] <tseng> it will be pretty broken at the start
[06:21] <Nigelenki> because setting just hoary last time was like "OMGWTF HALF OF PYTHON IS MISSING!!!!!!" and it wouldn't work :)
[06:21] <tseng> yeah we spent most of the cycle fixing python stuff
[06:22] <Nigelenki> yeah well :>
[06:22] <Nigelenki> tseng:  what we need is a "current"
[06:22] <tseng> why do we need that..
[06:22] <Nigelenki> or something, some way to let users elect to automatically upgrade on release day (I know it sounds insane but people do it!)
[06:22] <tseng> no way
[06:23] <Pizbit> Nigelenki: As you said, it's insane.
[06:23] <tseng> we talked about that for update-manager, its crack
[06:23] <Nigelenki> tseng:  well, maybe a modification to update manager would work instead.
[06:23] <tseng> and only in the context of "tell me when there is a new stable dist"
[06:23] <Akrame> what does insane mean ?!
[06:23] <Pizbit> Akrame: Worse than crazy.
[06:23] <Nigelenki> on release day it can be configured to say, "Hey, a new version of Ubuntu is out, want to upgrade?  It will take like a gig of bandwidth and probably a couple hours"
[06:23] <Akrame> ok Ty Pizbit
[06:24] <Nigelenki> and I can be like
[06:24] <Nigelenki> "Yes"
[06:24] <tseng> yes, we talked about that.
[06:24] <Pizbit> Nigelenki: If people want debian they can go get that.
[06:24] <Nigelenki> k, cause I know most of the people I'd pitch Ubuntu at are too dumb to modify their repo every six months
[06:24] <liran> hmm
[06:24] <liran> does the new ubuntu using bleeding egde ?
[06:25] <Nigelenki> root@icebox:/mnt# apt-get install bleeding-edge
[06:25] <Nigelenki> E: Couldn't find package bleeding-edge
[06:25] <crimsun> liran: in what sense?
[06:25] <liran> |:
[06:25] <tseng> the what now?
[06:25] <liran> i mean it has all the newest packages
[06:25] <tseng> it has the newest packages deemed stable by us at the point of freeze
[06:25] <Nigelenki> I know that's a 'no' for universe
[06:26] <liran> bah stable
[06:26] <liran> |:
[06:26] <Nigelenki> liran:  gnome 2.10.1 and firefox 1.0. (was it 1 or 2?)
[06:26] <crimsun> .2
[06:26] <crimsun> liran: if you want bleeding edge, track Breezy when it opens
[06:27] <Nigelenki> tseng:  Just installed ubuntu amd64 fresh (I had i386), I have 5 menu entries in grub by default
[06:27] <Pizbit> liran: And don't be suprised when things break, every hour.
[06:27] <liran> so what
[06:27] <liran> what KDE version?
[06:27] <liran> 3.4 ?
[06:27] <crimsun> Kubuntu has 3.4.0, yes
[06:28] <Nigelenki> Pizbit:  Is it possible to not break during development?
[06:28] <liran> wtf kubuntu ?
[06:28] <Pizbit> Nigelenki: Yep
[06:28] <liran> crimsun im talking about ubuntu.
[06:28] <Nigelenki> Pizbit:  during the last 2-3 months of hoary it seemed rock solid the whole way despite RABID UNENDING 200 PACKAGE PER DAY UPDATES
[06:28] <Pizbit> Nigelenki: The last few seconds before release and you're changing the version number and updating the changelog;)
[06:28] <crimsun> liran: these are questions more targetted to #ubuntu or #kubuntu, not #ubuntu-devel
[06:28] <crimsun> liran: yes, Ubuntu has 3.4.0
[06:29] <liran> but i came here to ask why the devs didnt worked with the bleeding egde system
[06:29] <crimsun> because our developers aren't insane?
[06:29] <Nigelenki> Pizbit:  I don't much like the break-fix-cleanup-release development model, whatever it's called; not that it matters.
[06:29] <Nigelenki> everyone uses it though
[06:30] <liran> crimsun so gentoo and archlinux devs are insane?
[06:30] <tseng> many of them
[06:30] <tseng> and by that token
[06:30] <tseng> we have gnome 2.10, gentoo doesnt
[06:30] <crimsun> liran: since when were we speaking about Gentoo? This is _Ubuntu_.
[06:30] <Nigelenki> tseng:  breakmygentoo.net
[06:30] <tseng> lets not make a flamewar out of this please
[06:30] <tseng> Nigelenki: .....
[06:30] <liran> I know
[06:30] <liran> its just an example
[06:30] <crimsun> this is _extremely_ offtopic for #ubuntu-devel
[06:30] <tseng> its a poor one
[06:30] <tseng> so, please drop it.
[06:31] <tseng> its not valid, you should look at the versions if you are so concerned
[06:31] <liran> what's the xchat version?
[06:31] <liran> 2.4.3?
[06:31] <Nigelenki> 2.4.1 nearest I can tell.
[06:32] <Pizbit> 2.4.2 and 2.4.3 break perl scripts, or have in my experience.
[06:32] <Pizbit> s/have/do
[06:32] <crimsun> liran: package version information is available on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:32] <liran> thanks
[06:32] <liran> didnt knew it
[06:33] <liran> hmm
[06:34] <liran> the latest kernel version is 2.6.7 ?
[06:34] <crimsun> no, the latest supported is 2.6.10
[06:34] <liran> its good
[06:34] <liran> i had 2.6.11.3 too many bugs,and it didnt do well with my ACPI motherboard
[06:35] <liran> crimsun i dont mind if its not bleeding egde,i dont need much from linux,i just like to config my fvwm all the time :-)
[06:35] <liran> but bleeding egde is nice,unstable but nice
[07:06] <usual> I don't know who is in charge of the new Ubuntu Device Database Wizard, but I have a suggestion. When the dialog screen says press ok to send data, and the transfer begins and finishes, it just disappears. There is no confirmation of thank you. It would be nice to see something say Data sent! Thank you for your support yada yada yada
[07:06] <ogra> usual, i'll put it on my todo for breezy, thanks
[07:08] <usual> ogra, Thank you. I just ran the wizard for the first time and it stuck out
[07:08] <usual> ogra, Terrific job on the wizard as a whole though
[07:08] <ogra> stuck out ?
[07:08] <ogra> thanks :)
[07:08] <usual> ogra, the fact that it didn't confirm or thank
[07:08] <ogra> open it a second time :)
[07:08] <usual> ohh cool
[07:09] <usual> I started too, but my gf was talking to me
[07:09] <Pizbit> ogra: Ever the optimist.
[07:09] <ogra> heh
[07:12] <usual> ogra, this is a first for linux dists as far as I can tell
[07:14] <ogra> hmm, suse once had something in that direction....
[07:14] <ogra> (ages ago)
[07:15] <dholbach> hey!
[07:15] <ogra> but regarding the growth rate i see on the server it will be unique very soon, just through the community...
[07:16] <usual> I remember Debian using some package to collect what packages were installed or something, popularitycontest or something
[07:16] <usual> that was interesting
[07:16] <dholbach> usual: popcon.ubuntu.com
[07:16] <ogra> usual, you have it installed already ;)
[07:16] <usual> ahh
[07:16] <ogra> usual, just not enabled ...
[07:16] <usual> didn't know if you guys brought that over
[07:17] <ogra> hi dholbach btw
[07:17] <dholbach> hey ogra :-)
[07:17] <usual> does the project have any interest in using the anaconda port that progeny ported?
[07:18] <ogra> unlikely
[07:19] <usual> ok, I can't help but wonder why not though
[07:19] <azeem> heh, which reminds me, Ian shouldn't be speaking so loud against Ubuntu, if Progeny had rather helped on d-i back then, maybe sarge would be out by now?
[07:19] <usual> they plan on releasing sarge?
[07:19] <aj> ian's speaking against ubuntu?
[07:20] <ogra> oh ?
[07:20] <Pizbit> Yep
[07:20] <azeem> hang on, I'll dig up the link
[07:20] <azeem> aj: not /so/ bad
[07:20] <azeem> http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
[07:22] <usual> "In that respect, Ubuntu's popularity is more harmful than helpful."
[07:25] <aj> i kinda think there's some truth to that, but dissin' both ubuntu and debian simultaneously in the press hardly seems helpful
[07:26] <usual> I agree
[07:27] <spacey> i don't think he is right at all :p
[07:28] <spacey> like debian is some "Greater Good" or something
[07:29] <ogra> spacey, it is...and sarge will suffer from ubuntu if they dont release it this year, but both is not ubuntus fault....
[07:29] <usual> it almost sounds like jealousy
[07:29] <azeem> well, he's basing his product pretty tightly on Sarge I think (though I don't know how important that product is for his company and maybe they released it already, haven't followed)
[07:29] <spacey> funny how they are so good, and distro for many years, and they complain about ubuntu, and they can't get a release out of the door
[07:29] <azeem> spacey: who is "they"?
[07:29] <spacey> debian :p
[07:30] <spacey> or ian whatever
[07:30] <dholbach> debian needs a DPL who makes strict changes, which are obvious
[07:30] <azeem> Ian is part of Debian
[07:30] <spacey> yeah 50%
[07:30] <spacey> :D
[07:30] <usual> Debian is notorious for very late outdated stable releases
[07:30] <azeem> eh, Ian is not part of Debian
[07:31] <usual> he's the ian in debian
[07:31] <usual> heh
[07:31] <spacey> yeah
[07:31] <azeem> I know.
[07:31] <aj> azeem: he's in the last stages of n-m, he'll be part of debian soon :)
[07:31] <azeem> yeah
[07:31] <kent> 8900 posts in hwdb.ubuntu.com.  Perhaps soon 10.000? Thats not so bad. Since i guess not all people posts..
[07:32] <usual> 900 something today
[07:32] <ogra> kent, its running 12 days now, yesterday i had more then 1600 submissions....
[07:32] <spacey> yeah pretty cool
[07:32] <spacey> Submissions Total: 8927 Today: 1000
[07:32] <ogra> so i guess it will pass 10000 tomorrow
[07:34] <usual> I have always wondered why so many dists use RPM, I want to know from a technical aspect, why? I know why I think dpkg/apt is superior, but what reasoning do these dists have for deciding to base on rpm
[07:34] <kent> Its kind of strange that Fedora and Suse has not done something like hwdb (or have they?). It must be very nice to get a brief look of what hardware people run..
[07:35] <usual> m$ does it I think
[07:35] <ogra> kent, suse once had such a db, but no client app, it was derived from their support forum...
[07:35] <kent> usual, perhaps they copied redhat linux once, and  i guess its a pain to change? But im no expert.. 
[07:36] <kent> ogra, I guess its far better to have a client to collect information from hal rather than having user submitting in a forum.. :)
[07:36] <usual> kent, yes, I understand that. But all these new dists, I mean there are new ones every day. Why still choose to start there
[07:36] <ogra> and i remember the early days of redhats kudzu, there you had such an app...but it was only used internal and for kudzu development
[07:38] <usual> is gnome still doing some sort of bounty to free up bloat?
[07:38] <usual> or optimize code
[07:38] <kent> ogra, regarding kudzu, I kind of like how it tells when a user has put in a new hardware, like printers etc. Perhaps the configuration of those devices could be made automatic and not bather users with it, and perhaps it could be made in Gnome rather than in text on boot, but its still a nice feature. Some people for example change graphicscard, and thats not so easy to manage manually :(
[07:39] <ogra> kent, thats one of the endless usecases of our DB :)
[07:40] <kent> ogra, you meen it can be used to get those events, where for example some card has changed? that would be great! 
[07:41] <ogra> kent, if i have a local database on your pc that knows which kind of hw you have....sure...just tie it to hal and hotplug....et voila
[07:42] <usual> ogra, still working on mrburns?
[07:43] <kent> ogra, perhaps one solution might be that, if X dont start, then check against hal and the db..  That way it wont have to be checked on each boot?  Sounds like a fair solution :)
[07:43] <ogra> usual, not recently....and there is a better project (serpentine), so i'm considering to dump it
[07:43] <ogra> kent, yup, something like that
[07:43] <usual> ogra, what about gnomebaker, opinion?
[07:43] <ogra> usual, is in universe ;)
[07:44] <Pizbit> graveman is better, it actually lets you set a label for dvds:)
[07:45] <ogra> its there too :)
[07:45] <Pizbit> yep
[07:45] <ogra> coaster sadly didnt make it
[07:45] <ogra> but will be ready for breezy i guess
[07:45] <azeem> nautilus-cd-burner can now copy CDs, right?
[07:46] <usual> ogra, my experiences with coaster have been awful
[07:47] <ogra> caster is a great piece of software if its ready.... it can finally replace cdrecord which is a _huuuuge_ advantage
[07:47] <ogra> coaster even
[07:48] <usual> I would love to see a gnome port of amarok
[07:48] <usual> awseome software
[07:50] <Pizbit> Hrm, anyone got the home page of coaster handy? Not exactly high in the google.com/linux rankings for 'coaster' :)
[07:51] <ogra> coaster.sf.net ?
[07:51] <Pizbit> Just found it,hehe, cheers.
[07:51] <kent> coaster-burner.org 
[07:52] <zenrox> i like to see a good port of flashFXP from windows some of the fetuers thare are nice and i havent found a linux ftp to match that
[07:52] <kent> there is a debian/ubuntu hoary package for it aswell on that page.
[07:52] <Pizbit> kent: Yeah, got redirected there, but the page loading load anything
[07:52] <usual> same here
[07:53] <Pizbit> Hrm, sleep, cyas.
[08:14] <Zugot> what package is dch? in?  
[08:14] <Zugot> the dch that allows me to modify the debian/changelog file
[08:16] <dholbach> apt-file search usr/bin/dch
[08:17] <ogra> devscripts
[08:19] <moquist> I hope I'm not bringing up an old and contentious issue, but why doesn't apt have some more locking smarts?  I have an NFS-mounted /var/cache/apt/archives directory so that I can minimize my external bandwidth usage, and of course .deb files get clobbered whenever I forget and install the same thing in more than one place at a time.
[08:20] <Lathiat> it does have smarts
[08:20] <Lathiat> you cant run more than 1 apt at once
[08:20] <Lathiat> your not supposed to use a network share :)
[08:20] <Zugot> ogra: thanks
[08:20] <moquist> Lathiat: yeah, I figured so.  but why not?
[08:20] <Lathiat> moquist: look into apt-proxy/apt-cacher
[08:20] <moquist> Lathiat: k; thx.
[08:20] <Lathiat> better solution to said problem anyway
[08:21] <moquist> I figured I couldn't possibly be the first one to think of this or run into problems with it.  :)
[08:21] <Lathiat> heh
[08:21] <moquist> as long as I'm careful about concurrency and collision, the NFS share works very well.  (well, AFAICT)
[08:22] <Lathiat> :)
[08:22] <Lathiat> apt-proxy is good but
[08:22] <Lathiat> lets you fetch more than one time at once
[08:24] <moquist> Lathiat: apt-cacher looks perfect.  thx.
[08:24] <Lathiat> nps :)
[08:29] <fabbione> lamont: ping?
[08:29] <pitti> Hey fabbione 
[08:29] <fabbione> hey pitti
[08:29] <moquist> Zugot: you may wish to note the apt-cacher discussion...
[09:01] <abelli> ogra: have you thought about the nautilus thing (moving files with rootly power)?
[09:01] <ogra> abelli, nope, not yet
[09:02] <abelli> shall we open something on the wiki?
[09:02] <abelli> to collect ideas?
[09:03] <ogra> abelli, i'm currenty busy with hwdb...dunno if i have time to hack on nautilus before breezy, but a wiwki page would be good...
[09:04] <ogra> thats how stable works :)
[09:04] <abelli> ogra: doh. humour.
[09:04] <ogra> heh
[09:06] <desrt> ya.  stable is really boring!
[09:07] <desrt> so when someone says "we'll be moving to alsa 1.0.8 after hoary is released" does that mean:
[09:07] <desrt> a) hoary will upgrade to 1.0.8 some time after release
[09:07] <pitti> no
[09:07] <desrt> b) breezy will contain 1.0.8
[09:07] <pitti> hoary will not be changed any more
[09:07] <pitti> b) is true
[09:07] <desrt> crap.
[09:08] <desrt> i just bought an sblive for my family's computer
[09:08] <desrt> the alsa in hoary doesn't like it
[09:08] <crimsun> more than likely we'll see 1.0.9 if thomas can push it out the door.
[09:08] <desrt> although, i suppose now that hoary is stable, i don't have to worry about keeping up to date with the latest kernel releases
[09:08] <crimsun> 1.0.8 already is in alsa-source from Hoary/universe
[09:09] <desrt> ya.  it doesn't appear to work, though
[09:09] <crimsun> for which sblive card?
[09:09] <desrt> i say --enable-cards=ca0106 or whatever it is
[09:09] <crimsun> the 24-bit sblive/7.1?
[09:09] <desrt> and it tells me that ca0106 is an unsupported card
[09:09] <desrt> ya.  it's evil.
[09:09] <crimsun> ya, total piece.
[09:09] <desrt> i'd take it back
[09:09] <desrt> but an audigy is like 2.5x the price
[09:09] <crimsun> desrt: erm...ca0106 is available in 1.0.8...
[09:10] <desrt> crimsun; and i'd agree with you upon reading ./configure
[09:10] <desrt> but for some reason, it doesn't work
[09:10] <desrt> and i'm *guessing* it's because i need kernel source installed too, and the error reporting for that sort of thing is really bad
[09:10] <crimsun> desrt: no, you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:10] <desrt> hm.  sexy.
[09:11] <desrt> does that take care of the 686-5 or whatever business?
[09:11] <crimsun> pretty much what you need to do is grab build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), and alsa-source, then dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, then follow /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[09:12] <crimsun> yes, it takes care of the append-to-version stuff.
[09:12] <desrt> hot.
[09:12] <desrt> man
[09:12] <desrt> i should have come in here earlier
[09:12] <desrt> i found some stuff on a mailing list about this but it was defective
[09:13] <crimsun> on average, I probably walk two people daily through the whole alsa-source process
[09:13] <desrt> heh.
[09:14] <crimsun> I recommend using the last line of /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian and bypassing the kernel-package business
[09:15] <desrt> ah.  yes.  this looks a lot nicer.
[09:15] <desrt> this is gonna roll me a .deb isn't it?
[09:15] <desrt> what does the dpkg-reconfigure business do, exactly?
[09:16] <desrt> make the debian/rules script behave differently?
[09:16] <azeem> it restarts debconf for that package
[09:16] <crimsun> desrt: sets the parameters passed to ./configure
[09:16] <azeem> eh, I'm out of the loop obviously
[09:17] <desrt> crimsun; that's what i thought
[09:17] <crimsun> desrt: i.e., whether to enable PnP support, whether to enable debugging code, which drivers to pass
[09:17] <desrt> it's doing stuff now :)
[09:18] <desrt> slow box :)
[09:21] <desrt> just a point of curiosity
[09:21] <desrt> do you know if this card will play sound from multiple sources simultaneously?
[09:22] <crimsun> I believe it's severely crippled.
[09:22] <desrt> the first thing my sister did when i installed the box was kill off esound
[09:22] <crimsun> you'll need to use a sound daemon or dmix.
[09:22] <desrt> since it messes with flash's ability to work
[09:22] <desrt> and she's a flash kiddie in the worst sense
[09:22] <desrt> ugh.  if that's true, then the card has to go back
[09:22] <crimsun> actually flash works with esd, you just need to create the necessary symlink (ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1)
[09:23] <crimsun> blame macromedia
[09:23] <desrt> that's interesting.
[09:23] <desrt> so wait...
[09:23] <desrt> dmix will work with *any* card?
[09:23] <crimsun> yep
[09:23] <desrt> wtf did i even waste my money on this piece of junk?
[09:24] <crimsun> I dunno, I would have gotten a tried n' true sblive value
[09:24] <desrt> they didn't have it
[09:24] <desrt> my choice was 24bit live or audigy
[09:24] <crimsun> ouch, those were the only two sound card choices?
[09:24] <desrt> well
[09:25] <desrt> plus a bunch of other stuff i wouldn't have even considered
[09:25] <crimsun> the turtle beach santa cruz does multiplexing natively like the uncrippled sblives
[09:25] <desrt> and then a whole whack of retail boxes
[09:25] <desrt> i typically only buy OEM
[09:25] <crimsun> (uses the snd-cs46xx driver)
[09:25] <desrt> well, basically
[09:25] <desrt> i thought i was buying an emu10k1 for $34
[09:29] <desrt> does libesd-alsa0 do what i think?
[09:29] <desrt> ie: esd clients play straight to alsa instead of going through esd?
[09:30] <crimsun> err, that would be support for the alsa backend
[09:30] <desrt> ya.  i don't get it
[09:30] <desrt> this tutorial is telling me i need dmix *and* esd
[09:31] <crimsun> to do what? (let's take this to #ubuntu)
[09:31] <desrt> good call!
[09:53] <mwh_> hi, I have a quick question .. about gnome-applets .. im wondering why I cant set my clock to display weeknumbers
[09:53] <mwh_> I tried to find the clock applet in gconf-editor
[09:53] <mwh_> but it does not show up
[09:53] <mwh_> I have upgraded to ubuntu hoary
[09:54] <mwh_> and I was wondering if the gconf stuff got installed
[09:54] <mwh_> maybe its a bug
[09:56] <kent> mwh_, #ubuntu for those questions.
[09:57] <mwh_> noone there seems to know the answer :(
[09:57] <mwh_> anyways ill try to ask there again
[09:58] <seb128> mwh_: there is a gconf key
[09:58] <dholbach> seb210 is here! woohoo! :-)
[09:58] <seb128> hey dholbach 
[09:59] <seb128> ah ah :p
[09:59] <dholbach> you must be terribly bored, right? :-)
[09:59] <mwh_> seb128: but it does not seem to be installed for me
[09:59] <seb128> mwh_: use gconf-editor to search for a key with "week"
[09:59] <mwh_> seb128: how can I have it installed
[09:59] <seb128> what ?
[09:59] <mwh_> seb128: I did that but it is not installed the gconf schema
[09:59] <seb128> no
[09:59] <seb128> use the search feature
[10:00] <seb128> the key is a dynamic settings for the running panel
[10:00] <seb128> there is no static path
[10:00] <seb128> /apps/panel/applets/applet_<n>/prefs/show_week_numbers
[10:00] <seb128> where <n> is the applet number
[10:01] <mwh_> seb128: ahh sorry it is installed but it does not show up in gconf-editor for my user
[10:01] <mwh_> its installed here /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/default_setup/applets/clock/%gconf.xml
[10:01] <mwh_> so it should show up
[10:02] <mwh_> if I look in ~/.gconf/apps/panel/applets/ then there is no clock directory
[10:03] <seb128> have you read before ?
[10:03] <seb128> not sure of what is not clear
[10:03] <seb128> "search with gconf-editor" ?
[10:03] <tseng> http://mpt.net.nz/
[10:04] <tseng> why do people think this is acceptable, its an osnews-ism
[10:04] <mwh_> seb128: the key does not show up in gconf-editor
[10:04] <tseng> "lets post my complaints about gnome, and pass it around some websites"
[10:04] <tseng> thats not bugzilla.
[10:05] <mwh_> seb128: I have two boxes .. both upgraded to hoary .. on one of them the key exist and on the other it does not
[10:05] <ogra> tseng, but he is right in many places
[10:05] <ogra> s/places/points
[10:06] <seb128> mwh_: create it
[10:06] <mwh_> seb128: I should probably try to ask this question in a gnome channel ;)
[10:07] <seb128> you will not get an another reply
[10:07] <seb128> that's a runtime setting for the clock applet
[10:07] <mwh_> maybe I will 
[10:07] <seb128> and try to not just ignore people reply like you do here ....
[10:08] <mwh_> seb128: was that for me?
[10:08] <seb128> who else ?
[10:08] <mwh_> hopefully im not ignoring anyway, if I have done so .. im sorry
[10:08] <mwh_> I must have overlooked something
[10:09] <seb128> have you tried to create the key ?
[10:09] <mwh_> how to do that .. 
[10:09] <seb128> gconf-editor
[10:09] <azeem> tseng: did you read the end of that review?
[10:09] <seb128> right click
[10:09] <azeem> "My boss, by the way, is Mark Shuttleworth. I'm working for his company, Canonical, as an interface designer."
[10:10] <mwh_> seb128: it is all of the clock settings which is missing
[10:10] <mwh_> seb128: there is no folder named clock
[10:10] <mwh_> it goes like applet_0 ... applet_4 then mixer
[10:11] <mwh_> seb128: thats the really wird thing about it
[10:11] <ogra> mwh_, did you read what seb128 wrote above '?
[10:12] <mwh_> ogra: yes I think I have
 /apps/panel/applets/applet_<n>/prefs/show_week_numbers
 where <n> is the applet number
[10:12] <seb128> again
[10:12] <seb128> I've not spoken about clock
[10:12] <ogra> seb128, heh, youre to fast
[10:12] <seb128> why do you insist on it ?
[10:12] <mwh_> argh
[10:12] <mwh_> :(
[10:13] <mwh_> im so stupid
[10:13] <mwh_> seb128: sorry .. 
[10:13] <seb128> np
[10:13] <mwh_> here is the thing which really got me confused
[10:14] <mwh_> on box1 of mine I took an etc directory from a hoary development install and replaced it with the etc dir from my newly upgraded hoary
[10:14] <mwh_> and there the folder and key clock existed
[10:14] <mwh_> but the other box I did not change the etc dir at all
[10:14] <mwh_> and there it did not exist
[10:15] <dholbach> mwh_: never ever do that
[10:15] <mwh_> that did confuse me a bit :(
[10:15] <mwh_> I did it, because the bootup procedure did not change with my upgrade of warty to hoary
[10:15] <dholbach> you can replace single configuration-files, if you completely know what you're doing
[10:15] <mwh_> and I wanted the slick and fast bootup
[10:15] <ogra> mwh_, ubuntu-base should have taken care of that
[10:15] <dholbach> everything else will fuckup your system severly
[10:16] <mwh_> ogra: it did not for me :( 
[10:16] <mwh_> its working okay though 
[10:16] <mwh_> or that is its working, still some stuff which is not
[10:16] <mwh_> anyways im walking through the etc dir to check each file for differences
[10:17] <mwh_> btw do you guys know why the applet-configuration entries has changed from something like clock to applet_n?
[10:20] <seb128> mwh_: these are dynamic panel settings (again)
[10:20] <mwh_> ogra: I just did a search on ubuntu-base and it was not installed :( 
[10:20] <mwh_> seb128: ahh
[10:20] <seb128> mwh_: the panel don't know the difference between "clock" or "weather"
[10:20] <seb128> it just has applets
[10:20] <ogra> mwh_, thats why the upgrade notes state explicitily the importnce of ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base on upgrade :)
[10:21] <seb128> you can have 2 clock applets
[10:21] <seb128> 1 with and 1 without the week numbers
[10:21] <mwh_> aha
[10:21] <mwh_> nice
[10:22] <mwh_> ogra: argh .. I must stop upgrading in the middle of the night, I miss to much :(
[10:22] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[10:25] <mwh_> ogra and seb128 many thanks, I must stop bothering you guys ;)
[10:31] <melodie> beg your pardon, I am being upgrading from Hoary Array7 - I don't need nvidia pilots and the dl brings the nvidia-kernel-common
[10:31] <melodie> should I have deselected it at some time ?
[10:33] <mwh_> seb128: I have another wird problem .. its with synaptic .. when I install with it it displays the shell like the old synaptic in warty and I cant get it to not display the shell .. do you have a clue about what might be wrong?
[10:33] <kent> tseng, though i dont like the osnews-way of posting things on internet and refusing to help/listen,  that articel was kind of good.  Personly i think its needed, but it should be done in cooperation with Gnome development, and not on a homepage in fare distant from the developers.  :)
[10:33] <azeem> mwh_: this sounds more on-topic in #ubuntu
[10:33] <mwh_> azeem: yes
[10:35] <mwh_> azeem: found a solution it was the settings which was set to allways install in a terminal window :(
[10:35] <mwh_> better get out of this channel before I ask more questions :)
[10:35] <mwh_> happy hacking guys!
[10:52] <azeem> hmm, this is annoying. My mouse cursor has changed to the 'resize window' one and I cannot click anything anymore
[10:53] <trulux> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but
[10:53] <trulux> this library is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel
[10:53] <trulux> module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version.
[10:55] <kent> azeem, sometimes my mouse gets f*cked up, but thats becaus it has several buttons (actually 5 buttons), and once i dropped the mouse on the floor which damaged it so sometimes the button to the left get stucked, which the system dont like :(
[10:57] <azeem> heh
[10:57] <azeem> for some reason I do not comprehend, it now switched back after about 15 minutes
[11:09] <kent> azeem, well, its not relevant that it has several buttons, but since it has several, and i dropped it once,  it was doomed to damage one of them  *grr*
[11:10] <azeem> this is a Thinkpad. I'd rather not try to reproduce your experiment :)
[11:12] <kent> azeem, but you can buy one of those cheap mouse-bastards and drop it, if you got the time over.. ;)
[11:27] <ogra> Riddell ?
[11:33] <dholbach> i think i'll go to bed for now... bye
[11:41] <pitti> good night everybody!
[11:48] <mkde> mako, ping?
[11:51] <Riddell> ogra: hmm?
[11:52] <ogra> Riddell i just have testcompiled a kde package and was to lazy to clean up my broken chroot before... (i used debuild-pbuilder)....
[11:53] <ogra> Riddell, pbuilder pulled in a lot of KDE dependencys....
[11:54] <ogra> obviously konqueror is one of them..... when i clicked a url, it opened beside my 32 mozilla windows....(in gnome)
[11:55] <ogra> does konquereor automatically set x-www-browser ? without debconf question ?
[11:56] <azeem> x-www-browser is handled by alternatives, no? I guess this would be an issue of priority
[11:57] <ogra> it shouldnt set it silently....i really dont like if my browser changes during a session...without me requesting it :)