[12:00] <penguin42> thoreauputic, Ah, I never did that - I always built my own from scratch - which is the canonical ubuntu kernel I should start with - I want to build something exactly the same as the standard install but which supports a critcial piece of hardware - my 2nd processor!
[12:00] <Misogynist> Gentoo turned me off for good on building kernels. Linux is kind of sloppy and lots of things tend not to work if they're built into the kernel instead of as modules.
[12:00] <Witigonen> Are there any partitioning tools on the livecd?
[12:00] <eruin> didn't seem quite as easy as for debian when I built my kernel
[12:00] <holycow> oh there is the menu editor
[12:00] <holycow> well holy f uck
[12:00] <eruin> Misogynist: I experience the opposite ;)
[12:00] <eruin> I _need_ stuff builtin to get, say, dma for my sata drives
[12:00] <niran> penguin42, there are smp kernels in the repositories
[12:01] <sataere> I'm trying rp-pppoe right now, and it doesn't work at all, but the pppoeconf that was included in Ubuntu set up without a hitch.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> penguin42: I don't know :) I just use the kernel images (lazy) ;)
[12:01] <sataere> What's pppoeconf from, or is it a homebrew script?
[12:01] <spikeb> yeah the installer really should do that
[12:01] <Misogynist> Gotta run :o
[12:01] <penguin42> niran, fair point
[12:01] <niran> penguin42, no, i
[12:02] <niran> penguin42, i'm not saying that it shouldnt be detected, i'm wondering why you need to build your own
[12:02] <eruin> didn't think people still used pppoe :P
[12:02] <willhig> ????????????????
[12:02] <holycow> oh installing nvidia drivers is even easier in ubuntu?
[12:02] <holycow> well this is nice i must say :)
[12:02] <penguin42> niran: Yeh I'll grab the image
[12:02] <eruin> sudo install nvidia-glx
[12:03] <JaZy84> can anyone help me install java when i login as root i get bash: /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin: is a directory
[12:03] <holycow> brb
[12:03] <thoreauputic> willhig: I think your "?" key has some chewing gum under it ;-)
[12:03] <stuNNed> willhig: lsmod|grep ath  -- any output to that?
[12:03] <willhig> haha...
[12:03] <willhig> stuNNed, I'll try that...
[12:04] <stuNNed> willhig: are you sure there aren't any other wireless driver modules loaded, i.e. with my dlink it loaded ath_pci native driver and ndiswrapper wouldn't work with it loaded
[12:04] <stuNNed> willhig: do i had to blacklist it, ath_pci along with it's associated modules
[12:04] <willhig> stuNNed, I'm looking for wlan0, right?
[12:04] <epicenter> I have an nForce 3 motherboard with onboard Ac97 audio, it registers as nVidia unknown device 00ea (rev a1). It doesn't seem to work in audio applications. What should I do?
[12:04] <willhig> stuNNed, >_<`` I don't know what I'm looking for...
[12:04] <stuNNed> willhig: you're looking for a module loaded that is for wireless, i know it can be tricky :)
[12:04] <stuNNed> willhig: /query ok?
[12:04] <whiskers> man this menu stuff is totally screwed in gnome...no wonder so many people are checking out kubuntu
[12:05] <willhig> stuNNed, that's fine
[12:05] <stuNNed> whiskers: is that your opinion or is that a fact? :)
[12:05] <whiskers> you can't even find the .desktop file for the menu entry
[12:06] <whiskers> stuNNed, well...i don't know..but menu-editor put something in the wrong place and i can't figure out how to delete it
[12:06] <whiskers> and sudo nor su helps at all
[12:06] <vessuvius81> where could I get the old source of ndiswrapper utils to compile myself?
[12:07] <tkz> stuNNed, interesting... the ./configure complains "configure: error: iwlib.h not found. Install wireless-tools" even though I have wireless-tools installed...
[12:07] <fab31> re
[12:07] <stuNNed> tkz: there is way to install source in debian but i have no clue :)
[12:07] <mwh_> After upgrading to hoary synaptic doesnt seem to be upgraded, like when I install new software it opens a terminal window for the installation .. instead of hiding it
[12:07] <fab31> Is it possible to prevent ubuntu from loading every module he finds in /lib/modules ?
[12:08] <epicenter> Is there any way to get this sound card working?
[12:08] <epicenter> Or rather onboard sound hardware
[12:08] <fab31> I have 71 modules loaded at startup, most of them are a nonsense, it causes conflicts with some module I'ld like to load...
[12:08] <jordanau> fab31, if ubuntu is a he is kubuntu a she?
[12:08] <HKSDU> does anyone know what Prelink is? cuz I see an article saying that prelink can make your Ubuntu running faster?
[12:08] <ice_1963> lol
[12:08] <fab31> jordanau: :) sorry...
[12:09] <devazion> jordanau nope they are both males, thats why they dont get along with eachother.. cuz kubuntu is more rusty^^
[12:09] <ice_1963> gnome/kde =)
[12:09] <penguin42> fab31: F*** yes - mine has 74 modules loaded
[12:09] <stuNNed> whiskers: i really don't know how to edit the menu myself, would be nice :)
[12:09] <fab31> :(
[12:09] <fab31> is it possible to have the only ~15 needed ?
[12:09] <jordanau> haha
[12:09] <shivy> hello
[12:09] <fab31> It loades even modules blacklisted...
[12:09] <ripgut> sup everyone
[12:09] <ripgut> i need some help
[12:09] <whiskers> stuNNed, i know this is a major pain in the ass
[12:10] <jordanau> HKSDU, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1971.html does that help any?
[12:10] <fab31> I had to rename those modules who were causing problems, very ugly solution
[12:10] <jordanau> HKSDU, just a google search
[12:10] <whiskers> stuNNed, and the only documentation is for all-users not one
[12:10] <mwh_> also when I add an archive to my repository list, I notice that there is something called Ubuntu 5.04 updates ... why is that?
[12:10] <whiskers> stuNNed, so you can't find where the  heck the menu entry file is on the harddrive
[12:10] <mwh_> or what is that?
[12:10] <ripgut> anyone here know how to get an Audigy 2 soundcard to work on Ubunut
[12:10] <stuNNed> whiskers: you can probly create in ~ no?
[12:10] <HKSDU> jordanau: that's the forum where I got the idea of having prelink will make your distro running faster, but why?
[12:10] <ripgut> im in gnome
[12:10] <stuNNed> whiskers: if it doesn't already exist
[12:10] <penguin42> fab31: Some are obviously not needed - I mean its got a sony_acpi one - my machine ain't a sony
[12:10] <stuNNed> whiskers: or some file in ~ ?
[12:10] <shivy> how annoying i cant get fglrx to work under ubunt
[12:10] <whiskers> stuNNed, i don't want to create...i want to delete
[12:11] <epicenter> What do I add to my /apt/sources.list for the 'universe' repository?
[12:11] <fab31> yep
[12:11] <ripgut> can anyone help?
[12:11] <fab31> but how can we prevent loading modules ?
[12:11] <fab31> I have conflicting ones
[12:12] <penguin42> right - lets see if this new image I installed will get me my 2nd processor
[12:12] <fab31> puting them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist don't change anything
[12:12] <ripgut> helooooooooooo
[12:12] <ripgut> anyone out there
[12:12] <ice_1963> yes
[12:12] <jordanau> HKSDU, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml <--- google again
[12:13] <mwh_> also opening a gnome-terminal seems to take longer time than in warty
[12:13] <mwh_> some seconds
[12:13] <ripgut> Hello?
[12:13] <jordanau> ripgut, have you searched the forums
[12:13] <ripgut> yes
[12:13] <ripgut> tons of em
[12:13] <jordanau> ripgut, spamming the irc doesn't help
[12:13] <jordanau> jordanau, woops
[12:13] <HKSDU> jordanau: ic!!  thank you very much!!
[12:14] <jordanau> hated to make him quit...
[12:14] <jordanau> HKSDU, no problem
[12:15] <JaZy15> can anyone help me install java when i login as root i get bash: /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin: is a directory
[12:15] <rvirani> How come rythmbox cant stream MPEG?
[12:15] <Krys^^> I can't seem to get sound working on my laptop. I can actually play the mp3 file now, but no sound's coming from the speakers. They're on, turned up, unmuted. Can anyone help me?
[12:16] <etzerd> hello all
[12:16] <penguin42> and we're back - 2 processors!
[12:16] <ice_1963> hello
[12:16] <holycow> anyone notice the latest gnome startup graphic that displays gnome component booting is different from the one a week ago?
[12:16] <jordanau> if you type in just /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin it tells you about the file, you need a command
[12:16] <jordanau> JaZy15, ^^^
[12:16] <holycow> this one is square, no nice rounded corners and such ... ?
[12:16] <ice_1963> i have
[12:17] <Jarret_> i tried using the ext3 filesystem over reiser this time... and now i get an error 18.. i updated to the most recent bios yesterday so there's really nothing i can do... how would i go about switching to and configuring lilo?
[12:17] <holycow> so i'm not the only one then? heh
[12:17] <JaZy15> yeah i know i followed the walk through and that's the error i get.
[12:17] <holycow> anyone know if its possible to swap the nicer rounded one in?
[12:17] <etzerd> Everytime I play video my system crash, either on the net or whatever
[12:17] <jordanau> JaZy15, can you link me to the walthrough and where you are?
[12:17] <Krys^^> you can change the greeter yes
[12:17] <rvirani> How does one get mp3 support for rythmbox
[12:18] <Krys^^> system>administration>loginscreenwndow
[12:18] <Krys^^> err login screen window*
[12:18] <etzerd> and also Mplayer doesn't work no matter how I tried to install it.
[12:18] <Krys^^> rvirani, gotta install a package
[12:18] <etzerd> can anyone help with that? Please
[12:18] <JaZy15> don't have link. on the ubuntu wiki page should i try method 1 or just go strait to method 2
[12:18] <Krys^^> called something like gstreamer-mad8
[12:18] <dureyes> can someone please give a good sources.list for hoary
[12:18] <jordanau> JaZy15, give me a sec and i will let you know
[12:18] <JaZy15> nice
[12:18] <JaZy15> ty
[12:18] <evan_d> if you've already ordered CDs of Warty can you order CDs of Hoary (using shipit)?
[12:19] <whiskers> i don't see anything relevant in /etc/gnome-vfs or anywhere
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: gstreamer0.8-mad  :)
[12:20] <jordanau> JaZy15, are you reading this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport ???
[12:20] <Krys^^> ooh.. well i was close!
[12:20] <Krys^^> lol
[12:20] <JaZy15> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:20] <thoreauputic> rvirani: see above ( to Krys^^)
[12:20] <Krys^^> thoreauputic, think you can help me with my lack of sound problem?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: computers are very pedantic ;)
[12:20] <Krys^^> lol
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: probably not:)
[12:21] <jordanau> JaZy15, which method are you using?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: what's the trouble?
[12:21] <andrewski> are there reported errors with the nvidia drivers in kde?
[12:21] <JaZy15> i'm thinking of trying 1
[12:21] <JaZy15> using the blackdown installer threw synaptic
[12:21] <Krys^^> i can *play* the mp3 ( or wave or whatever ) but..... no sound is coming out of my speakers
[12:22] <Krys^^> they're turned on.. unmuted and up as high as they can go
[12:22] <jordanau> i would try 0
[12:23] <penguin42> right - I think I have most of what I need - I wonder what I'm missing; I guess I'll just find out as I use it
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: maybe they don't like your music choice ;)
[12:23] <jordanau> JaZy15, i did mine different way so i am not sure though
[12:23] <Krys^^> lol
[12:23] <JaZy15> alright lemme give it a shot
[12:24] <rvirani> Anyone?
[12:24] <epicenter> I have an nForce 3 motherboard with onboard audio, and /dev/dsp was created by Ubuntu. But ,I cannot play sound. Did I do something wrong?
[12:24] <rvirani> mpeg support for rythmbox
[12:24] <whiskers> and nautilus says applications-all-users:/// is not a valid location
[12:24] <rvirani> Krys^, thanx I will take a look
[12:24] <penguin42> Epicenter, What happens if you try - you just don't hear anything?
[12:24] <Epicenter> penguin42: yes.
[12:25] <jordanau> JaZy15, i thkn i did this one http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport
[12:25] <Epicenter> I get a message that /dev/dsp cannot be opened
[12:25] <JaZy15> ty
[12:25] <Epicenter> Speakers and mixer are all the way up
[12:25] <AZ_AS> ok, anyone try the live cd for ppc?
[12:25] <penguin42> Epicenter, Ah - you mean more than you just can't hear anything....
[12:25] <Krys^^> think you can help me get it going thoreauputic ?
[12:25] <penguin42> Epicenter, Do you see anything in /proc/asound/cards ?
[12:25] <SpyD> anyone here knowledgeable about MySql and Postfix on Debian?
[12:25] <Epicenter> how do I check cards' contents?
[12:26] <Epicenter> vi ?
[12:26] <penguin42> Epicenter, cat
[12:26] <Epicenter> yes
[12:26] <penguin42> AZ_AS, Yes and it should
[12:26] <Epicenter> CK8S - Nforce nvidia CK8s
[12:26] <Epicenter> nvidia ck8s with cmi9761 at 0xfdffb000 irq 20
[12:26] <Epicenter> also my bt848 video capture device
[12:26] <AZ_AS> ty, penguin42
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Krys^^: the honest answer is no - I only just got my sound to work on warty after a mud wrestling bout with debian and alsa
[12:26] <whiskers> oh well...i guess just have to wait for a usable menueditor
[12:26] <Krys^^> hah aokay. I'm actually using hoarty..
[12:26] <whiskers> this is ridiculous
[12:26] <rvirani> where do I gets the qt libs to run skype?
[12:26] <Krys^^> Anyone else out there think they can help me?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> rvirani: use the static binary on the website is easiest
[12:28] <Krys^^> the sad thing: sound used to work
[12:28] <rvirani> it cant resolve the dependancies
[12:28] <rvirani> thoreauputic, k which static binary for what?
[12:28] <rvirani> I dont want to break apt
[12:28] <Epicenter> penguin42: any reason it wouldn't work?
[12:29] <whiskers> rvirani, i don't think you can run skype...someone said it is a restricted program
[12:29] <Epicenter> I know it's not a permission issue; I can't even run VLC with sound as root
[12:29] <Epicenter> or XMMS
[12:29] <raoul> can anyone help me mount a drive, i did it yesterday when i installed warthog but now i just put in hedgehob and i lost it... i'm reasonably new to linux
[12:29] <rvirani> whiskers, it needs qt libs
[12:29] <Epicenter> more errors and silence.
[12:29] <Marble2> How come my audio is always 2-3 seconds behind my video in Ubuntu, no matter what file or what player
[12:29] <Krys^^> you can run skype in ubuntu
[12:29] <thoreauputic> rvirani: well, you won't break apt if you install in /usr/local or your home dir
[12:29] <jordanau> raoul,
[12:29] <rvirani> thoreauputic, k so which binary
[12:29] <whiskers> rvirani, it is not that...the authors say they want to restrict it to only paying customers
[12:29] <jordanau> raoul, i can help
[12:29] <raoul> k
[12:29] <raoul> awesome
[12:29] <geneo93> Krys^ try alsamixer
[12:29] <Krys^^> my best buddy and I talk all the time on skype, however when I do ti i'm on windows, but he's in ubuntu....
[12:29] <rvirani> I got the download
[12:30] <jordanau> raoul, can i have specifics?
[12:30] <whiskers> rvirani, well i don't know but someone in here said it is a restricted program
[12:30] <thoreauputic> rvirani: I don't know - I just know there's a statically compiled one available on the skype site - look for that
[12:30] <raoul> should i try to figure out a PM or is talking on this channel ok
[12:31] <glass-eye> so how many people do you get in here asking about why the install didn't ask them for a root password?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I believe it's freeas in beer, but not Free as in speech
[12:31] <jordanau> raoul, is it a windows hard drive?
[12:31] <penguin42> is there a way to change the font size on the graphical login screen? Everything else about it seems changeable but it is rather small - I suspect it is based on resolution not a fixed font size
[12:31] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well i don't know...i only know what someone in here said
[12:31] <jordanau> raoul, wait you said you did it yesterday and you updated and today it is gone?
[12:31] <raoul> i'm running x86, AMD XP 3000+, and it was never a system drive it was just my music drive
[12:32] <raoul> yeah
[12:32] <raoul> a friend helped me do it though
[12:32] <thoreauputic> whiskers: it isn't "open source", that's for sure
[12:32] <raoul> bunch of console commands
[12:32] <jordanau> look in /media
[12:32] <whiskers> thoreauputic, ok...maybe that is what they were talking about
[12:32] <rvirani> thoreauputic, k
[12:32] <penguin42> glass-eye, It certainly through me at first!
[12:33] <holycow> yeah skype is restricted
[12:33] <thundrcleeze> I've got the problem many others have after a dist-upgrade to hoary. I've got a sb audigy. I've tried even compling my own drivers with the alsa-source, but I don't think I did it right.  Can anyone help?
[12:33] <holycow> definately not open source to begin with
[12:33] <rvirani> k cool
[12:33] <jordanau> raoul, what do you see in /media?
[12:33] <rvirani> so anyone know about ... getting rythmbox to stream MPeg?
[12:33] <rvirani> I just bought new speakers
[12:33] <glass-eye> penguin42: i was surpised, this is the first time i've tried ubuntu, thought i had missed a step :)
[12:33] <Antioch> Can one not play MP3s in Ubuntu using XMMS or BMP?
[12:34] <holycow> rvirani, lol i was just wondering that my self
[12:34] <eclipse> anyone is having problems when "RenderAccel" is enabled in xorg.conf file?
[12:34] <holycow> xmms is also borked
[12:34] <raoul> cdrom and cdrom(), one light blue, one dark
[12:34] <holycow> Antioch, i can't
[12:34] <jordanau> rvirani, yeah plus rhythmbox kida suck INHO
[12:34] <raoul> i only have one drive, my dvd burner
[12:34] <thoreauputic> wow, the mailing list is really heavy traffic the last few days... :/
[12:34] <b00gie> hi, does anyone know how do i set a size for desktop icons? Some icons seems not to scale well... :/
[12:34] <penguin42> glass-eye, Yeh - I think Macs might do the same trick - I don't think it is a bad idea really; the only gotcha would be on a networked system where everyone has remote directories; I guess then you would just create a local user anyway that would happen not to be called root
[12:34] <holycow> thoreauputic, *nod* well as per new release, it should be likethat
[12:34] <whiskers> thoreauputic, i just try to respect people's wishes and if they want to restrict it...well then we just won't use it
[12:35] <thoreauputic> holycow: yep
[12:35] <eclipse> anyone is having problems when "RenderAccel" is enabled in xorg.conf file?
[12:35] <jordanau> raoul, so the only thing in /media is a DVD drive?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I understand your position :)
[12:35] <looter> i'm trying to rdit xorg.conf but i got permission denied error when i'm trying to save it
[12:35] <raoul> yea, looks like. although last time it detected the drive as HDB i want to say...
[12:35] <jordanau> looter did you use sudo
[12:35] <glass-eye> i couldn't get hoary to boot into the kernel on the install cd, it was odd
[12:35] <penguin42> looter: You probably find you need to do it as root
[12:36] <holycow> xmms is supposed to be rewritten by their team i think i read that somewhere
[12:36] <jordanau> look in your /etc/fstab file and paste what you see on pastebin
[12:36] <Epicenter> penguin42: Any ideas?
[12:36] <glass-eye> i thought BMP _was_ the rewrite
[12:36] <nydust> where are the apache2 parameters?
[12:36] <penguin42> Epicenter, Nope
[12:36] <jordanau> raoul, ^^ and also go to www.ubuntuguide.org for some help
[12:36] <thoreauputic> xmms will work with mpg321 or mpg123 I believe (it does here anyway, on warty0
[12:36] <Antioch> BMP is XMMS just with extensions into GTK2
[12:37] <b00gie> any idea for icon size? :/
[12:37] <looter> i only have the root account
[12:37] <Antioch> Anyways, is there no way to get MP3s working in ubuntu with xmms or bmp?
[12:37] <looter> i'm using nano editor
[12:37] <Epicenter> Penguin42: I hear some burst of popping when I mute/unmute in aumix.
[12:37] <Epicenter> and one when X loads
[12:37] <flipo> I am having serious problems to get xawtv running  - anyone around to support a german guy?
[12:37] <rvirani> and wonders why it aint installed by default like every other distro
[12:37] <thoreauputic> glass-eye: bmp is pretty much xmms with prettier menus and a few usability improvements
[12:37] <raoul> jordanau update? or is ^^ a command or did i miss something and should look up
[12:37] <rvirani> xmms works it always has
[12:37] <jordanau> look up
[12:38] <holycow> actually no, xmms right now doesn't seem to work
[12:38] <holycow> not for me and a few other people
[12:38] <penguin42> Epicenter, Did you say you got an error accessing /dev/dsp? Its unusual that your mixer does do stuff but you can't get to /dev/dsp - normally its one or the other
[12:38] <jordanau> raoul, have you read the guide on adding a windows partition?
[12:38] <raoul> ahh i see, sorry the red text is so easy to read compared to the rest
[12:38] <Epicenter> penguin42: The exact error is:\
[12:39] <Antioch> "it just works" =\
[12:39] <penguin42> Please - someone quote those two lines
[12:39] <raoul> i've read parts, something like mount -t ntfs /media/music
[12:39] <raoul> that's where i put it last time
[12:39] <rvirani> holycow, k then how to get rythmbox workin?
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000261]  mpeg_audio packetizer: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:44100 bitrate:128
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000284]  mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:44100 bitrate:128
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000286]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000286]  main audio output error: couldn't find a filter for the conversion
[12:39] <Epicenter> [00000286]  main audio output error: couldn't set an output pipeline
[12:39] <tigren> can i install ubuntu from the live-cd?
[12:39] <tigren> i've got one blank cd, and want to try the live-cd out
[12:40] <holycow> rvirani, thats borked too
[12:40] <rvirani> GRRR
[12:40] <Antioch> rvirani because rythm box uses GSTREAMER codecs..
[12:40] <raoul> there was some command i ran where it let me enter the information and then load it past that
[12:40] <rvirani> and GSTREAMER is broked
[12:40] <penguin42> Epicenter, What exaclty were you running to do that?   Do you get the bleeps and blurps as you open windows and click on things and as ubuntu starts up?
[12:40] <rvirani> bleh
[12:40] <thundrcleeze> not AFAIK with warty at least, Tigren.
[12:41] <tigren> thundrcleeze: any idea about hoary?
[12:41] <Epicenter> penguin42: I was using VLC to open an Mp3. Same result with XMMS
[12:41] <Epicenter> penguin42: I don't hear anything from Ubuntu's GUI.
[12:41] <Epicenter> penguin42: I hear one loud pop right before X loads though.
[12:41] <penguin42> Epicenter, OK, here is a simple (but noisy!) test -   cat /bin/ls > /dev/dsp
[12:41] <thundrcleeze> tigren, I don't know, but unless it says on the wiki or docs, I don't think so.
[12:41] <tigren> ok
[12:41] <tigren> figured as much
[12:42] <thundrcleeze> It really should be able to, I think it's on their list of things to do.
[12:42] <Epicenter> penguin42: silence and a blinking cursor.
[12:42] <thundrcleeze> Can anyone else confirm or deny this?
[12:42] <penguin42> Epicenter, But no error?
[12:42] <Epicenter> penguin42: right.
[12:42] <penguin42> Epicenter, Hmm that's kind of promising
[12:42] <Epicenter> I know I should hear static
[12:42] <eclipse> damn ubuntu, it keeps freezing if i use nvidia driver with RenderAccel on....is there a patch for this?
[12:43] <Epicenter> Usually a drop a kernel on it
[12:43] <thundrcleeze> No install scripts on the hoary live cd, right?
[12:43] <jordanau> raoul, i am not sure about ntfs that will take me a little time
[12:43] <eclipse> please i need help
[12:43] <raoul> k, no worries
[12:43] <Epicenter> penguin42: Maybe something is wrong with my BIOS settings...?
[12:43] <raoul> at least i got the rest up and running
[12:43] <Epicenter> penguin42: I would check this chipset's compatibility with ubuntu but I don't know where to look./
[12:44] <penguin42> Epicenter, you'll probably want to look at ALSA documentation for that - open your mixer up and see what you've got - go to the preferences and turn every one of them on if some are hidden
[12:44] <thundrcleeze> Let me look, tigren.
[12:45] <SuperQ> Mmm
[12:45] <Epicenter> penguin42: which preferences?
[12:45] <eclipse> damn ubuntu, it keeps freezing if i use nvidia driver with RenderAccel on....is there a patch for this?
[12:45] <b00gie> ppl can i set a standar size for desktop icons?
[12:45] <penguin42> Epicenter, Bring the menu down off the volume control and do 'open volume control' - then go to its edit menu
[12:46] <housetier> I am a little confused here.. I have a user with a usb2 harddisk, its plugged in alright. fdisk -l /dev/sda reports "/dev/sda1               1       10011    80413326    7  HPFS/NTFS", yet "mount -tntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt" says: "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist" I am sure I am stuck somewhere...
[12:46] <thundrcleeze> you can order a couple cds through the ubuntu shipit page, tigren no cost, not even shipping.
[12:46] <housetier> how can this user mount the usb disk?
[12:46] <Epicenter> penguin42: the Main and PCM are way the hell up and unmuted as they should be
[12:47] <HKSDU> I have a question regarding GCC.  How does a compiler compile a file and how does OS execute programs? what is the process of converting files into a binary file and how they are saved? is there any tutorial or document on it, anyone?
[12:47] <penguin42> Epicenter, Yeh but check there aren't any weird other sliders - on mine (an Ensoniq) there is a weird setting that ocmpletely screws it up that isn't obvious at all - you might need to try alsamixer or the like to let you get to every tweakable
[12:47] <spikeb> is a JRE or JDK in multiverse yet?
[12:48] <penguin42> HKSDU, Wow that's a big question
[12:48] <jordanau> raoul, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs read that and follow directions perfectly
[12:49] <kh-rit> how to install ati driver?
[12:49] <HKSDU> penguin42: really? because I am really interested in that, I am wondering how they make your program from text into binary and how are they being saved and how does OS run it..
[12:49] <housetier> HKSDU basically its a translation process, with lots of table lookups
[12:49] <thoreauputic> spikeb: never likely to be as long as java isn't open source, I'd guess
[12:49] <Epicenter> penguin42: why is it finding a C-Media *and* an nVidia device I can adjust? There's just the onboard sound and nothing else.
[12:49] <raoul> k, checking it out now
[12:49] <HKSDU> housetier: what kind of table?
[12:49] <whiskers> ls
[12:49] <penguin42> Epicenter, Hehe - for me it sees two as well; and I only have one - does it list one as OSS and the other as ALSA ? If so go with the alsa one imho
[12:49] <twalls> hello everyone
[12:49] <whiskers> sorry wrong place
[12:50] <twalls> i'm trying to install ubuntu for the first time on my ibook g3
[12:50] <Epicenter> penguin42: yeah, the nvidia is ALSA
[12:50] <Epicenter> c-media is oss
[12:50] <twalls> it went right through the install and then failed when installing yaboot?
[12:50] <rOss^32> i know i asked this like 2 hours ago .. but does anyone have an ubuntu brown skin for xmms ?
[12:50] <housetier> HKSDU grossly simplyfied we have something like "add this to that" on the one side and a series of 0's and 1's on the other side
[12:50] <twalls> any suggestions as to what could have gone wrong?
[12:51] <Epicenter> penguin42: should I compile a new kernel with it, and screw ALSA? :P
[12:51] <housetier> HKSDU however there is more involved, especially with optimawhateverzations
[12:51] <HKSDU> housetier: that's my question, how does they know what's converted into series of 0 and 1? is there a standard table that is open source or something like that?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> rOss^32: I haven't seen one - the "Ana" skin is quite nice though (simple)
[12:51] <penguin42> HKSDU, There is a LOT to it - 1) Breaking down the input text 2) Converting it to an internal representation of the task your trying to do   3) Producing assembly language for the processor   4) Assembling that to machine code   5) Linking it into an executable file     6) then the OS loading that, mapping it into memory, initialising it and running it
[12:51] <penguin42> HKSDU, All quite complex problems in themselves
[12:52] <rOss^32> thanks thoreauputic
[12:52] <ch7> hello, has anyone seen problems burning the ISOs under Mac OS X (using Disk Utility)? I get crashes...
[12:52] <thoreauputic> rOss^32: it's kind of light and looks good with light themes
[12:52] <HKSDU> penguin42: is there any book that I can study or web site talks about it? I am especially interested in how they assemble those code into machine code make link it to executable
[12:52] <ch7> I'd blame it on Disk Utility, of course, but was wondering if there's another way to burn an ISO under Mac OS X...
[12:53] <rOss^32> nice i found one on forum but i dont like it
[12:53] <rOss^32> :)
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ch7: it's aknown issue with ubuntu ISOs in OS-X
[12:53] <penguin42> HKSDU, There is a book called the Dragon book ' Aho, Sethi, and Ullman, "Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools," Addison Wesley, 1986, ISBN 0-201-10088-6' - it is THE book on compiler stuff - its big though!
[12:53] <chazwurth> HKSDU: the wikipedia entry on compilers recommends some books, although I can't verify that they're any good. I've never studied compilers in depth.
[12:53] <txz> ok i was following some directions that said add a line to modules.conf I did but it is still not loading on boot. Is not modules.conf in the 2.6 kernel?
[12:54] <doubleplus> Why isn't sudo asking for any password?!
[12:54] <HKSDU> Thank you very much, I appreciate that.
[12:54] <thoreauputic> ch7: if you have fink installed you can get cdrecord I believe
[12:54] <penguin42> doubleplus, It got bored; you probably entered one a few seconds ago
[12:54] <rarn> can anyone help me get a evdo card going
[12:55] <rarn> it looks like the card is not recognized properly
[12:55] <doubleplus> penguin42, oh, you're right. thank god
[12:55] <thoreauputic> txz: /etc/modules in debian based distros like ubuntu
[12:55] <ch7> thoreauputic:  thanx!
[12:56] <rijad> hmm.. what the hell does this mean? Audio analogue processor (SiS 916B Sound Chip)
[12:56] <rarn> what is the device for a USB serial adapter?
[12:56] <txz> thoreauputic: i need to add a postinstall command to modules.conf i have the nessasry modules in /etc/modules
[12:56] <thoreauputic> txz: I see
[12:56] <sleepysentry> can someone tell me how to install the module assistant?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> rijad: that would be your sound card (I have si7012 for instance)
[12:57] <sleepysentry> no one knows what the apt-get command to install it is?
[12:58] <sleepysentry> i really need help with this
[12:58] <thoreauputic> sleepysentry: try apt-cache search module assistant?
[12:58] <sleepysentry> ok
[12:58] <sleepysentry> thanks
[12:58] <thoreauputic> or apt-cache search module | grep assistant
[12:58] <rem> hey all ...
[12:59] <rijad> ok, do you know where to find those drivers?
[12:59] <rem> has anyone aver been able to print on a network printer with ubuntu ??
[12:59] <kelk1> Hi. I am trying to use the 5.04 liveCD, but the WM does not start. The only thing I get is a brown background. When I press Ctrl-BS, I come back to (what I assume is) GDM, but that's all.
[12:59] <penguin42> thoreauputic, Interestingly apt-cache search "module assistant" doesn't find it which was I instinctively typesd
[12:59] <rem> i havent been able to with warty and same with hoary now ..
[12:59] <housetier> modconf?
[12:59] <slave> hello
[12:59] <andrewski> is it possible to load gnome/gtk settings in kde?
[12:59] <kelk1> What can prevent GNOME from starting?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> penguin42: did the grep one find it? I'm on warty and I didn't try it
[01:00] <AndyR> firefox crashes for me when i try to print from it
[01:00] <rem> brother hl1260 or 2400c or Samsung clp500N
[01:00] <rem> firfoy crashes on me when "set as wallpaper" ..
[01:00] <rem> firefox
[01:00] <penguin42> thoreauputic, Yes; the package is actually module-assistant and the word assistant doesn't appear in the single line description - just in the package name
[01:01] <dave_> does anyone here know what I have to do to enable different refresh rates for my monitor?
[01:01] <rarn> does anyone know how to get an airprime cdma wireless pc card working
[01:01] <penguin42> dave_, I ended up reconfiguring the X server using standard X tools - I've not found a pretty ubuntu button for it yet
[01:01] <rarn> i think i need to find the drivers
[01:02] <rem> refresh -> from menu, or xfree86 conf file ..
[01:02] <mohaham> if the graphics card is configured incorrectly; it cud prevent GNOME from starting
[01:02] <Marble2> what's a badass looking font?
[01:02] <rem> ive given up printing on ubuntu ... :(
[01:03] <thoreauputic> rijad: I'd try googling the chip name with the words linux and module
[01:03] <whiskers> ubuntu needs to recompile audacity to support ogg format exports so no one uses proprietary codecs
[01:03] <rem> ..afer 6 months trying ..
[01:03] <epicenter> penguin42: Could it be that everything is trying to use OSS when my device is on ALSA? I Checked and it only pops when ALSA loads and closes. All apps bitch about OSS.
[01:03] <twalls> lol penguin42
[01:03] <penguin42> epicenter, Not sure; I'm not sure how they interact - Alsa has an OSS compatibility module
[01:03] <twalls> how should i partition an ibook g3 so yaboot can install?
[01:03] <dave_> is there some command I run for the x configuration
[01:03] <rem> thanx..but i have another debian or mandrake where printing no problem ..
[01:04] <kdp> http://bancomicsans.com/home.html
[01:04] <kdp> for those font questions
[01:04] <slave> Help, I try to setup ubuntu linux to print from my XP system but have problem, any advice ?
[01:04] <epicenter> penguin42: How would I turn it on?
[01:04] <penguin42> epicenter, I doubt it is off
[01:04] <epicenter> :P
[01:04] <dc0e> slave: using samba?
[01:05] <fangorious> shouldn't there be a 'build' folder in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ for building drivers against your kernel?
[01:05] <epicenter> Damn it.
[01:05] <slave> i will try, thanks !
[01:05] <epicenter> penguin42: Should I just compile a kernel with the driver and skip OSS and ALSA? :P
[01:05] <penguin42> epicenter, Nah all sound drivers are one or the other - typically alsa these days
[01:06] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know hoe i can fnd out my dns ip?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> dave_: on hoary,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:06] <epicenter> UGGHHHHH
[01:06] <jinXKat> oris_wolfbane: host command
[01:06] <fangorious> to build drivers against my kernel, do I have to download the source, load the config from /boot, and actually build the whole kernel, then point the driver source at that?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> oris_wolfbane: ifconfig ?
[01:06] <kelk1> mohaham, but would I see the login in GDM if the graphic card was not configured correctly?
[01:06] <twalls> yaboot no work :)
[01:07] <thoreauputic> twalls: is it dual boot?
[01:07] <kelk1> And how can I change X config on the liveCD?
[01:07] <whiskers> i guess audacity is ok for windows since windows users have already paid for wav format...but ubuntu needs to recompile audacity for ogg or maybe flac if flac is free format
[01:07] <twalls> no
[01:07] <mohaham> kelk1, no u wudnt be able to start kdm
[01:07] <twalls> just trying to install on a blank drive
[01:07] <rem> has anyone installed network printer with ubuntu ? if yes how ? did it work ?
[01:07] <dave_> thanks thoreauputic
[01:07] <penguin42> rem: Sheesh - your going to force me to test mine now aren;t you?
[01:07] <rem> lol
[01:07] <thoreauputic> dave_: you're welcome :)
[01:08] <twalls> thoreauputic: if i accept the default options in Ubuntu PPC install, it fails when installing yaboot
[01:08] <twalls> i've chosen to erase HDA and accepted / on hda3 and swap on hda4
[01:09] <thoreauputic> twalls: I see - well I'm not much help since my iBook G4 install went without a hitch
[01:09] <twalls> im assuming hda1 is something internal to apple, and hda2 is the apple bootstrap
[01:09] <rem> ..i guess ill have to share the printers from a mandrake box ...
[01:09] <twalls> arg
[01:09] <penguin42> rem: Hmm it doesn't look promising
[01:09] <twalls> thoreauputic: how did you prepare your disk for ubuntu?
[01:09] <rem> only way it seems to work ..
[01:10] <Krys^^> apple's made me slightly mad
[01:10] <Krys^^> *sniff&*
[01:10] <twalls> i went into disk utility and told it to create 1 partition of free space and left os9 drivers on it (its worked fine for yellow dog)
[01:11] <fangorious> has anybody compiled any kernel drivers? (not for nvidia or ati)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> twalls: I used the os-x partition tool, made one partition and the rest free space, installed OS-X on hte partition and let the installer install in hte free space
[01:11] <twalls> hmm
[01:11] <Antioch> Is there a way to download an mp3 decoder plugin for xmms?
[01:11] <twalls> i might try that next if this fails... not with osx but just using the free space, not erasing
[01:11] <Okt> do I need to install drivers for my Ati Radeon video card using Ubuntu 5.04
[01:12] <thoreauputic> twalls: you don't need to format - linux will create a file syatem for you
[01:12] <whiskers> Antioch, is it legal in your area
[01:12] <thoreauputic> *system
[01:12] <thoreauputic> Antioch: try mpg123
[01:13] <fangorious> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:13] <Antioch> whiskers who knows, and who cares
[01:13] <fangorious> Antioch: look at that link
[01:13] <penguin42> rem: I'm going to agree with yo - it feels broken
[01:13] <Antioch> fangorious Ive seen it, and I dont like beat box.. or whatever it is called
[01:14] <fangorious> Antioch: is there not an xmms-mp3 package in the universe repo?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> Antioch: I have xmms running with mpg123 on warty - your mileage may vary
[01:14] <Jester> i need help with the fonts?
[01:14] <Antioch> fangorious no
[01:14] <Antioch> thoreauputic I'll check it out
[01:14] <rem> thanx for tryin ..
[01:15] <fangorious> Antioch: it might be in the marillot repo then, search the wiki at www.ubuntulinux.com for marillat
[01:15] <Jester> someone can help me?
[01:15] <kbrooks> can clients on a vnc server connect to another client who is serving the server?
[01:15] <ama> does ubuntu only use one cd?
[01:15] <whiskers> Antioch, well if you don't care and are willing to take a serious risk then what player are you trying to use to play mp3s
[01:15] <wdh> Jester, dont ask for help, ask a question, a specific one..
[01:15] <ama> from the download site i only see one cd?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> ama: yes
[01:15] <twalls> i'll try re-installing without anything plugged in, maybe my firewire drive is interfering... despite me not installing on there
[01:15] <wdh> ama, one cd is more then enough
[01:15] <ama> cool cool
[01:16] <Okt> Anyone? Video Card Drivers.... Do I need them?
[01:16] <ama> not for every other distribution ive used
[01:16] <devazion> aoeu htns
[01:16] <Antioch> whiskers xmms or bmp, like I do in every other distro Ive used
[01:16] <Albacker> guys, where can I put the http proxy ?
[01:16] <fangorious> Okt: for what card, what features?
[01:16] <twalls> ama: you install the rest from online
[01:16] <mjr> Okt, which radeon is that?
[01:16] <penguin42> Okt: Sometimes for fast 3D stuff - but unlikely for most other things
[01:16] <thoreauputic> ama: other programs can be installed from the repositories
[01:16] <Okt> Ati Radeon 6900 pro
[01:16] <Jester> my font its different of the normal
[01:16] <penguin42> Okt: You mean 9600?
[01:16] <Okt> yea
[01:16] <Okt> whoops
[01:16] <mjr> Okt, you'd need the proprietary drivers for 3d, yes
[01:17] <Antioch> fangorious I have marillat
[01:17] <Okt> redrawing windows and stuff is sluggish
[01:17] <fangorious> Antioch: and that doesn't have xmms-mp3?
[01:17] <Okt> mjr: where would I find these
[01:17] <Jester> http://img100.exs.cx/img100/2900/erro5nc.jpg the first is mine... the second its from my friend
[01:17] <Antioch> fangorious not that my apt-get found
[01:17] <whiskers> Antioch, well there are files like mpg123 and mpg321 but i don't know their legality
[01:17] <penguin42> Sorry? Was that an advert for our elections - bloody hell
[01:18] <fangorious> Antioch: what channels are you looking at in marillat (should be unstable, I believe)
[01:18] <Antioch> thanks all.. Ill give em a try.. gotta run
[01:18] <xvlun> is there an experimental kernel with inotify >0.21 available for hoary?
[01:18] <Albacker> can someone help me, on using a http proxy ?
[01:18] <wdh> Albacker, what part of using it?
[01:19] <Jester> =/ no one can help me?
[01:19] <fangorious> what do I need to compile a kernel driver (need to use CVS version of orinoco_cs for my card to scan)?
[01:19] <Jester> i made a specific question
[01:19] <Okt> anyone know how I can get the proprietary drivers for 3d
[01:19] <Albacker> wdh, I want to use the proxy, but I've never used one.
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Jester: be patient, please
[01:20] <wdh> Jester, its the same font.. only larger?
[01:20] <Albacker> wdh, is there any place where I can put it ?
[01:20] <fangorious> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:20] <wdh> albacker, if you are using hoary: System -> Preferences -> networkproxy
[01:20] <thoreauputic> Jester: just adjust your font size
[01:21] <thoreauputic> Jester: if it bothers you - I can't see why it would
[01:22] <whiskers> i don't know why these people want to bother with mp3
[01:22] <chazwurth> whiskers: what do you mean?
[01:22] <fangorious> whiskers: because I don't want to re-encode 3000 songs
[01:22] <penguin42> ah probably not
[01:22] <mohaham> Jester, u might want to read this- http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[01:23] <whiskers> fangorious, sounds lazy to me
[01:23] <Albacker> wdh, I'm not using hoary, is there any terminal way to do this ?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> whiskers: because a lot of them have gigabytes of the things in collections made over years
[01:23] <fangorious> whiskers, i don't se why you should care
[01:23] <xvlun> hardware support for other formats is poor...
[01:23] <wdh> fangorious, as long as it is automated, who cares about time..
[01:23] <whiskers> fangorious, well i guess you are right..it really is none of my business
[01:23] <chazwurth> whiskers: uuh...ogg may be nice, but re-ripping thousands of CDs? gimme a break
[01:23] <fangorious> wdh: how is ipping all my cds going to be automated?
[01:24] <wdh> well at least you could reencode your mp3 -> ogg :)
[01:24] <wdh> but that would be a matter of principle, and not very good for your quality
[01:24] <spikeb> i take it chazwurth wants mp3 support in <insert media player here>
[01:24] <puppeteer> does ubuntu 5.04 use xfree86 or xorg
[01:24] <wdh> s/your/the
[01:24] <chazwurth> wdh: indeed :)
[01:24] <spikeb> puppet xorg
[01:25] <tiredbones> What is totem? On many occasion while on the web I keep get messages that totem is not found.
[01:25] <puppeteer> thanks
[01:25] <fangorious> wdh, i could but i don't want to transcode from lossy to lossy. if my drive dies i might re-encode to something other than mp3, but otherwise there's no incentive at the moment
[01:25] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: it's a media player
[01:25] <difekta> what can I do to get gum out of something?
[01:25] <fangorious> difekta: floss?
[01:26] <spikeb> chazwurth another option is to transcode from mp3 to FLAC
[01:26] <spikeb> shouldn't be a loss in quality
[01:26] <epicenter> Could someone help me with my audio please? I installed Hoary and have nForce 3 onboard AC97 audio. It doesn't work at all. /dev/dsp is there but apps can't access it.
[01:26] <mohaham> puppeeteer,  xorg   i guess
[01:26] <epicenter> All I can get is a pop when ALSA loads or unloads.
[01:26] <tiredbones> What package is it in?
[01:26] <chazwurth> spikeb: even if I could do it with no loss of quality, I don't even want to think about how long it would take
[01:26] <Albacker> wdh, I added the proxy, how do I know that everything works fine ?
[01:26] <wdh> Albacker, switch to hoary then :)
[01:26] <fangorious> epicenter, try using esd instead
[01:26] <Aladdin> hi all
[01:26] <spikeb> chazwurth you could, and forever. heh
[01:26] <wdh> owh.. ok.. never mind..
[01:26] <yohannes> i am trying to remove my old kernel. i read in the forum, the command is "sudo apt-get remove kernelname". i am having trouble finding the kernelname, can any1 provide assistance?
[01:26] <chazwurth> :P
[01:26] <wdh> just try google.nl?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: there's totem-gstreamer and totem-xine
[01:27] <Aladdin> Somebody got a minute for samba configuration. shouldn't take long.
[01:27] <wdh> or 'traceroute google.com', if it passes through the proxy, it is working
[01:27] <mohaham> yahannes, look under /boot/
[01:27] <Albacker> wdh how ?
[01:27] <whiskers> epicenter, forget that esd sits on top of alsa....try using alsa-mixer to turn things on
[01:27] <jfk303> is it possible to apt-get for skype?
[01:27] <wdh> Albacker, 'sudo apt-get install traceroute && traceroute google.com'
[01:28] <wdh> jfk303, apt-cache search skype
[01:28] <fangorious> has anybody compiled a kernel driver?
[01:28] <chazwurth> jfk303: I don't believe so; I couldn't find a repository that has it at any rate. might be one out there.
[01:28] <epicenter> whiskers: Everything is on full volume in alsa-mixer
[01:28] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: What do you recommend ?
[01:28] <fangorious> epicenter: speakers turned on, with volume up?
[01:28] <whiskers> epicenter, are your outputs muted
[01:28] <mohaham> jfk303,  deb pkg is available on skype.com
[01:28] <epicenter> whiskers: no
[01:28] <whiskers> epicenter, did you unmute them
[01:29] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: totem-xine - but you need extra repositories to get it
[01:29] <epicenter> fangorious: yes.
[01:29] <epicenter> whiskers: They aren't muted
[01:29] <epicenter> whiskers: Sorry
[01:29] <epicenter> whiskers: worked fine in XP a minute ago, it's a software issue
[01:29] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: search the wiki for "restricted formats"
[01:29] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: I download uni yesterday.
[01:30] <whiskers> epicenter, what happens if you cat something.text /dev/dsp
[01:30] <whiskers> do you hear any wierd sounds at all
[01:30] <son> anyone here program python?
[01:30] <user-jon> hi.. is there anybody here i can ask about a kernel hang when i reboot my ubuntu?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: umm - you downloaded the university ? Or do you really mean you already have the repositories?
[01:30] <epicenter> whiskers: silence and no output to the terminal
[01:30] <wdh> son, /join #python :)
[01:30] <son> thankyou
[01:30] <Okt> how do I get rpm2tar, apt-get install rpm2tar does nothing
[01:30] <fangorious> anyone know why "Configuring network interfaces" takes at least a full minute during bootup, even though only "lo" is set to configure on boot?
[01:30] <whiskers> epicenter, no output to the terminal either...that is very strange
[01:30] <Albacker> wdh, I did traceroute google.com and the first ip was mine. i mean it wasnt hidden
[01:31] <wdh> Okt, search google?
[01:31] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: I think I got the repositories.
[01:31] <epicenter> whiskers: I'm getting that a lot :(
[01:31] <mohaham> user-jon , wht kernel r u using
[01:31] <wdh> Albacker, do you want it to be hidden from yourself? :P
[01:31] <Albacker> wdh, what do you mean.
[01:31] <Albacker> wdh, do you mean that if traceroute works it's working ?
[01:31] <wdh> what was the second  hop?? your proxy?
[01:31] <Marble2> how do I get ubuntu to recognize my usb device?
[01:31] <whiskers> epicenter, i wonder if you have lost stdin and stdout
[01:31] <fangorious> user-jon: can you boot in single user mode? (I think it's the recovery console from the grub menu)
[01:32] <fangorious> Marble2: plug it in?
[01:32] <wdh> Marble2, what kind of device?
[01:32] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: I had to download the repositories for menu-editor.
[01:32] <whiskers> epicenter, wow that is really wierd
[01:32] <user-jon> it's 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 (but happens, with other arcitechtures)
[01:32] <Albacker> wdh, 213.121.209.14:80
[01:32] <Albacker> crfnac03-ukgrivelocity.btignite.com
[01:32] <Marble2> fangorious: i did
[01:32] <wdh> Albacker, is that your proxy or not?
[01:32] <Marble2> wdh: digital camera
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Okt: why do you need rpm2tar?
[01:32] <wdh> Albacker, i do not care about the exact link
[01:32] <pere> Hi. I have been struggling for hours to get 3D to function on my ATI card. I have enabled fglrx, but still MESA GLX Indirect is being used. Any ideas?
[01:32] <wdh> Marble2, try gtkam
[01:32] <epicenter> I don't know .. :(
[01:32] <whiskers> epicenter, did you change the kernels
[01:32] <fangorious> Marble2: anything being written to /var/log/messages about the hotplug events?
[01:32] <epicenter> everything just configures itself on all my other hardware
[01:33] <epicenter> whiskers: No. :(
[01:33] <Okt> Actually can't I just use Alien?
[01:33] <whiskers> epicenter, and you just installed hoary
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Okt: yes
[01:33] <DooD> anyone here has trouble installing kdevelop?
[01:33] <Marble2> fangorious: It shows up in device manager
[01:33] <Okt> ok
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Okt: but what for?
[01:33] <Marble2> how do I navigate to it though?
[01:33] <Albacker> wdh, that is what I found online, and added network proxy. than I did traceroute google.com
[01:33] <mohaham> user-jon, r u using the right kernel
[01:33] <fangorious> Marble2: what kind of camera? (if you have access to xp or os x, do they automatically try to load it as a file system or import pictures?)
[01:33] <wdh> Marble2, but before that, you could try to mount /dev/sda
[01:33] <Marble2> yes they do
[01:33] <Albacker> wdh, now how do i know that everything's alright.
[01:33] <ogra> Okt, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:33] <Okt> thoreauputic: I have a rpm, and supposibly I need to convert it
[01:34] <ogra> Okt, dont do that
[01:34] <ogra> Okt, ubuntu has packages for the binary drivers
[01:34] <user-jon> yes.. my problem is (on more than one machine) that if i boot up with Neither keyboard Nor mouse.. then the kernel hangs when i reboot.
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Okt: I gathered that - I was hoping you'd tell me what the rpm eas for - there might be a better way
[01:34] <Okt> oh
[01:34] <Okt> ok
[01:34] <thoreauputic> *was
[01:34] <ogra> Okt, look at the wiki page i posted
[01:34] <wdh> Albacker, stop bothering, search google.. or check www.whatismyip.com << your ip, then its not hidden.. if else, its your proxy.. and you are hidden
[01:35] <wdh> Albacker, who cares about anonimity?
[01:35] <penguin42> user-jon, At what point does it hang?
[01:35] <wdh> what the heck is anyone going to do with your IP address?
[01:35] <Nermal> anyone else have a problem with nautilus not thumbnailing images or videos ?
[01:35] <penguin42> wdh: Feed your information to the CIA of course
[01:35] <jdub> GOOOOOOOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[01:35] <jdub> who loves ubuntu?
[01:35] <ogra> yay jdub
[01:35] <jdub> <- loves ubuntu
[01:35] <wdh> penguin42, :P
[01:35] <fangorious> howdy jdub
[01:35] <jdub> if you love ubuntu
[01:36] <jdub> you should be on the global map of ubuntu lovers!
[01:36] <jdub> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide
[01:36] <jdub> ^ LOVE!
[01:36] <ogra> YEAH
[01:36] <penguin42> jdub, Well its starting to feel kind of warm and definitely friendly - I wouldn't like to say love yet at such an early stage
[01:36] <ogra> GO THERE
[01:36] <Marble2> fangorious: where does it mount the files to?
[01:36] <Nermal> n00bs
[01:36] <Marble2> device manager shows it as a usb device
[01:36] <chazwurth> Nermal: not really. did you check the settings? the files you're looking at may be larger than it's set to preview.
[01:36] <user-jon> right at the very last step when it runs the reboot command from /etc/init.d
[01:36] <fangorious> Marble2: hotplug stuff like that should automount under /media, and put an icon on your desktop
[01:36] <Nermal> chazwurth, images as well.. I have few jpegs over 5mb
[01:37] <Marble2> fangorious: not there
[01:37] <DooD> guys do you recommend installing kde at all?
[01:37] <chazwurth> Nermal: dunno what to tell you. It's working for me. Maybe check bugzilla.
[01:37] <DooD> i read some articles about kde not being good
[01:37] <fangorious> Marble2: you need to have the HAL and DBUS stuff running, probably other stuff, but that's all default (so it should be running if you didn't turn it off)
[01:37] <chazwurth> DooD: If you're interested in it, I'd suggest installing it and playing around with it for a while. Form your own opinion.
[01:37] <Marble2> i didn't turn it off
[01:37] <thoreauputic> DooD: It's a matter of personal preference
[01:37] <penguin42> DooD, Some people like it a lot - certainly I'm using Gnome for the first day in a long time and there are some things that bug me - its your own choice
[01:37] <fangorious> Marble2: do you hav a USB thumbdrive, external drive, or firewire drive you could test?
[01:38] <peck_> hello all
[01:38] <chazwurth> DooD: I can't stand it personally, but I know a lot of people who love it.
[01:38] <fangorious> peck_: hi
[01:38] <pere> Hi. I have been struggling for hours to get 3D to function on my ATI card. I have enabled fglrx, but still MESA GLX Indirect is being used. Do anybody know what could be wrong?
[01:38] <EMan> Hmm, I am still getting unable to open /dev/dsp with ALSA, any ideas? I closed my volume applet from the tray....
[01:38] <tiredbones> thoreauputic: I'm on the wiki page and I can't see the topic "restricted format".
[01:38] <wdh> fangorious, that automount stuff stopped working a while ago..
[01:38] <DooD> well if i install kde can i remove it later if i didn't like it
[01:38] <Marble2> fangorious: well I have a usb mouse
[01:38] <Marble2> that's working fine
[01:38] <Marble2> printer too, that works
[01:38] <wdh> at least for usb-flash drives..
[01:38] <ogra> DooD, sure...
[01:38] <fangorious> Dood: don't tak other people's word for it. if you're curious, install kubuntu-desktop and it out
[01:38] <Marble2> but the camera, it shows up in device manager but I can't find where it puts the files
[01:39] <DooD> ok thanks
[01:39] <fangorious> Marble2: those aren't storage mediums
[01:39] <ogra> DooD, and you probably should ask in #kubuntu too ;)
[01:39] <Marble2> no I don't
[01:39] <mohaham> tiredbones,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:39] <|PecK|> don't know where to ask the question : should I go deep into php, or should I learn Python??
[01:39] <Nermal> fixed :)
[01:39] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:39] <DooD> thanks
[01:40] <jinXKat__> DooD: nice name
[01:40] <epicenter> whiskers; yeah, this is a fresh install
[01:40] <ogra> |PecK|, do the last, it has more opportunities
[01:40] <jinXKat__> american?
[01:40] <Riddell> |PecK|: both are good, PHP more popular for web stuff, python quite up-and-coming for GUI stuff
[01:40] <andrek> in grub, how do i know which disk is 0,0 and 0,1 and so on?
[01:40] <ogra> Riddell, hey
[01:40] <Riddell> evening ogra
[01:40] <fangorious> Marble2:  type 'mount' in a terminal if it's mounted you should see where in the output
[01:40] <ogra> Riddell, i'm just doing a lot web development in python ;)
[01:40] <wdh> Marble2, you  might have to mount it yourself, for me, the following did the job: mount /dev/sda /mnt/
[01:40] <EMan> aplay -l is showing my devices properly.... but what could be locking /dev/dsp?
[01:40] <penguin42> andrek, after installation there is a file /boot/grub/device.map
[01:40] <|PecK|> ogra, Riddell, thx. Can I query into mysql db with python ? is it good for web dev?
[01:40] <tiredbones> mohaham: thanks
[01:41] <wdh> Marble2, of course you could change /mnt with whatever folder you want it to be mounted
[01:41] <Marble2> fangorious: usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[01:41] <Adross> my firefox status has gone kinda...invisable
[01:41] <mohaham> andrek, 0,0- firstdisk,partition1;  0,1-firstdisk,partition2
[01:41] <Riddell> |PecK|: python seems to be good for just about anything
[01:41] <wdh> Marble2, thats something else
[01:41] <Riddell> |PecK|: just don't tell that to a ruby user
[01:41] <Marble2> /dev/sda does not show up
[01:41] <fangorious> Marble2: that's a meta thing, not reall a mounted device
[01:41] <ogra> Peck, as good as php or perl....but if you know .py you have the optio to do more later without learning an extra lang
[01:41] <andrek> mohaham, penguin42, ok.. and the second number answears to the sda number? 0,1 = sda1 and 0,5 = sda5?
[01:41] <whiskers> epicenter, well i have rebooted numerous times and i have not lost any devices....perhaps there is a lock on it.
[01:41] <mohaham> tiredbones, ur welcome
[01:41] <|PecK|> Riddell, :)))
[01:41] <epicenter> Ubuntu doesn't seem to like my desktop at all. Unknown Devices everywhere, nv didn't work with X and I had to use the ultra-slow VESA, now, no sound
[01:42] <penguin42> andrek: Yeh second number is partition
[01:42] <Marble2> mount: special device /dev/sda/ does not exist
[01:42] <epicenter> how would I un-lock it? :P
[01:42] <penguin42> andrek: Nice think in grub is it will let you tab complete on them
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Adross: I don't understand what you mean
[01:42] <linuxn00b> Hey, has anyone been able to get Enemy Territory to work on hoary?
[01:42] <jinXKat__> epicenter: with a key silly
[01:42] <fangorious> wdh: sda or sda1?
[01:42] <whiskers> epicenter, but even stranger is your loss of terminal output
[01:42] <Adross> in firefox, i have no status bar
[01:42] <Adross> updating to hoary anyway, so no biggy
[01:42] <penguin42> Marble2: Is that last / really there?
[01:42] <epicenter> why would I get terminal output dropping a file on /dev/dsp ?
[01:42] <|PecK|> Now, ogra and Riddell, for the million euro (dollar is gone) question : what do I need to start developping ? any website I should read?
[01:42] <fangorious> Adross: View->Status bar
[01:43] <DooD> umm anyone know where i can install netbeans or anjuta from?
[01:43] <wdh> Marble2, check gtkam then: 'sudo apt-get install gtkam'
[01:43] <Riddell> |PecK|: for php http://php.net/manual is all you need
[01:43] <Marble2> penguin42: doesn't work without the / either
[01:43] <Adross> ah, thanks
[01:43] <ogra> |PecK|, dive into python is a very good book (online, pdf or printed)
[01:43] <Adross> cya
[01:43] <whiskers> epicenter, what happens if you open a terminal and just cat something.txt
[01:43] <Riddell> |PecK|: for python http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html
[01:43] <Marble2> wdh: gtkam?
[01:43] <fangorious> anyone know if airo_cs supports scanning for an aironet 340 card?
[01:43] <wdh> a nice applet for cameras :)
[01:43] <enkidu> can someone tell me how to setup alsa? It looks like the driver is installed but it still wont work.  Also, OSS Mixer is installed beside it so should i disable one?
[01:43] <ogra> |PecK|, and what Riddell said
[01:43] <penguin42> DooD: Anjuta seems to be in the 'universe' install set
[01:44] <epicenter> whiskers: lots of garbage and a beeping pc speaker
[01:44] <DooD> ok found it
[01:44] <DooD> what about netbeans
[01:44] <|PecK|> ogra, Riddell, u've made my day for the moment. will kiss you when opportunity comes up :)))
[01:44] <|PecK|> thx !
[01:44] <whiskers> epicenter, ok so your terminal is working
[01:44] <whiskers> ok while in terminal go to /dev and type file dsp
[01:44] <enkidu> I've had a problem with alsa since I installed, no sound at all but both speakers click when something should play.
[01:44] <ogra> |PecK|, rather write good apps and donate them ;)
[01:44] <Marble2> wdh: gtkam found it
[01:45] <Marble2> how can i find out where gtkam is finding the pictures though?
[01:45] <fangorious> does anyone know what is needed to compile kernel drivers?
[01:45] <whiskers> what does it say
[01:45] <wdh> Marble2, show some initiative
[01:45] <super_dude2> i need help with my soundcard it will not make any sounds help me...
[01:45] <epicenter> whiskers: yes.Just ... not much else :(
[01:45] <|PecK|> ogra, Bill's not my type :)
[01:45] <Marble2> fiiine
[01:45] <whiskers> epicenter, what does it say
[01:45] <epicenter> maybe I should install warty? Would I have less compatibility issues?
[01:45] <epicenter> what does what say?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> fangorious: a start would be build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:46] <ogra> heh
[01:46] <DooD> anyone know a good java development environment?
[01:46] <epicenter> this isn't new hardware at all; nF3 came out about a year and a half ago. I have no idea why nothing is detecting properly
[01:46] <fangorious> thoreauputic: I shouldn't need to install the whole kernel source and prep the .config and all that though, right?
[01:46] <whiskers> epicenter, you are not answering the question...what does it say if you go to /dev and type file dsp
[01:46] <wdh> Marble2, my guess is that you can save al pics that are on the camera.. and it probably asks you where to do it
[01:47] <epicenter> whiskers: I didn't see you ASK the question
[01:47] <thoreauputic> fangorious: I doubt it - but some binary drivers are available using apt as well
[01:47] <whiskers> epicenter, i did several times
[01:47] <epicenter> Just you saying "what does it say" twice
[01:47] <mohaham> Dood, i wud suggest eclipse
[01:47] <super_dude2> can someone please help me with my sound card
[01:47] <epicenter> whiskers: it says :  dsp: character special (14/3)
[01:47] <fangorious> thoreauputic: yeah. I just need a CVS version of orinoco_cs (to override what the kernel ships with) for my linksys wpc_11 v3 to scan
[01:48] <DooD> i'd have to install j2se too?
[01:48] <fangorious> thoreauputic: thanks
[01:48] <whiskers> epicenter, now type ls -al dsp and read that to me
[01:48] <epicenter> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-04-09 18:59 dsp
[01:48] <penguin42> epicenter: snap
[01:49] <epicenter> ..?
[01:49] <ogra> epicenter, looks ok...
[01:49] <penguin42> epicenter: Looks same as mine
[01:49] <HelpMe> can someone please help me with my sound card i cant play any kind of music or souds
[01:49] <whiskers> epicenter, well the kernel and udev is setting up the device
[01:49] <DooD> mohaham: do i have to install another app to support eclipse?
[01:49] <hilz> Hi...I'm trying to install ubuntu, and it fails at the "Install the Base System" step with an error "No Installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources". any idea what this could be? i am installing from the 386 iso burned on a cd.(md5 of iso verified).
[01:49] <ogra> epicenter, are you in the audio group ?
[01:49] <jinXKat__> well tht was a retarded name change
[01:49] <hilz> please help
[01:49] <jinXKat__> kinda like shoot me
[01:49] <epicenter> ogra: yes
[01:49] <whiskers> uh...lets check your alsa.conf
[01:49] <epicenter> OK.
[01:49] <penguin42> hilz: What processor have you got?
[01:49] <epicenter> what dir?
[01:49] <epicenter> /etc/?
[01:50] <hilz> intel celeron
[01:50] <hilz> 333 i guess
[01:50] <penguin42> hilz: Hmm nothing odd about that
[01:50] <ogra> hilz, at what speed did you burn ?
[01:50] <hilz> no idea...probably the fastest
[01:50] <HelpMe> can someone please help me with my soundcard isues
[01:50] <ogra> bad
[01:50] <hilz> should i slow the burning down?
[01:50] <jfk303> I've got the skype.deb file and a trying to install it I've tried 'dkpg -i skype.deb' but it does'nt seem to work? Any ideas?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> hilz: yes
[01:51] <epicenter> whiskers: where is alsa.conf?
[01:51] <hilz> hmmmmmmmmm
[01:51] <ogra> hilz, not faster then 8x, safe is 4x
[01:51] <hilz> ok, i'll give that a try
[01:51] <hilz> thanks...
[01:51] <thoreauputic> hilz: did you do an md5sum check on the ISO ?
[01:51] <hilz> will be back if it didn't work!
[01:51] <hilz> yes i did md5
[01:51] <hilz> check
[01:51] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:51] <mohaham> DooD, u might want to check this out,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE
[01:51] <tiredbones> Can someone tell me why totem-xine is in the RestrictedFormat?
[01:51] <penguin42> Is there an ubuntu developer watching this channel and observing the set of common queries?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> hilz: try like 4X or something conservative like that
[01:52] <ogra> penguin42, some
[01:52] <epicenter> should I just reinstall and pray it works? :(
[01:52] <whiskers> epicenter, this is so different from gentoo.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> tiredbones: because it uses restricted codecs etc
[01:52] <epicenter> what about gentoo, now? :P
[01:52] <whiskers> epicenter, ok go to /etc/modules-init
[01:52] <epicenter> I've only used Debian and this, and BSD
[01:52] <penguin42> ogra: Ah good - its quite interesting seeing the repeated ones coming up - I've been on for probably ~4 hours now and I've lost count of the number of alsa queries!
[01:52] <whiskers> epicenter, i mean /etc/modutils
[01:52] <mohaham> jfk303, were u able to install skype
[01:52] <HelpMe> Why Wont anyone help me with my soundcard
[01:53] <epicenter> OK
[01:53] <penguin42> HelpMe: There seem to be lots of people with soundcard problems tonight
[01:53] <ogra> penguin42, thats the endless repetition....
[01:53] <jfk303> mohaham: no
[01:53] <whiskers> did you go to /etc/modutils and find an alsa file
[01:53] <epicenter> alsa-base only
[01:53] <HelpMe> well why not help me please :)
[01:53] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: probably because 1) they are busy or 2) they don't have an answer
[01:53] <ogra> penguin42, alsa will always be on the list, as binary drivers or restricted formats will
[01:53] <whiskers> epicenter, yes that one...ok nano that filename
[01:53] <epicenter> ok
[01:53] <epicenter> i'm in.
[01:54] <mohaham> jfk303, i mean was the dpkg successful
[01:54] <HelpMe> well another guy tryied to help me a wile ago and fixed it until i restarted
[01:54] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: also as far as I can see you haven't asked a question
[01:54] <mohaham> jfk303, dpkg -i skype.deb
[01:54] <penguin42> ogra: Yeh - I'm surprised alsa hasn't got better; I always just stick with creative cards and it seems safe!
[01:54] <chazwurth> HelpMe: what did he have you do that stopped working when you restarted?
[01:55] <jfk303> mohaham: it seemed so but I checked var/dkpg/lib where I though it was going to put it and nothing?
[01:55] <ogra> penguin42, the alsa problems are something we hope to sort out with the hardware database data
[01:55] <enkidu> um, what is suppose to be in the /etc/modutils/alsa-base file? because there is only one line in mine
[01:55] <mohaham> jfk303, pls look under internet menu
[01:55] <whiskers> enkidu, sudo nano filename...there should be lots of stuff
[01:56] <penguin42> ogra: ah ok
[01:56] <epicenter> whiskers: now what?
[01:56] <HelpMe> i did lots of command in terminal and thn played a sound thr it after i shutdown my computer and turned it on the next day it did not play that sound again some of the command i had to do extra stuff so i cant do them again cause im not being told what to press
[01:56] <ogra> penguin42, the trick with alsa in ubuntu is just to find the right module and load it...there is not much magic left :)
[01:56] <penguin42> ogra: Hey for me the autodetect worked
[01:56] <jfk303> mohaham: hey its there but does'nt work?
[01:57] <enkidu> there is only one line in alsa-base: above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss
[01:57] <whiskers> epicenter, ok what do you see
[01:57] <ogra> penguin42, for most people it works...but there are still enough where it doesnt
[01:57] <james_> jfk303: hi
[01:57] <epicenter> whiskers: a lot of post-installs, options, aliases ..
[01:57] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: it's kind of hard to help you when your description is so vague...
[01:57] <whiskers> epicenter, yes that is right
[01:57] <epicenter> Is my card just unsupported? It shows up as unknown (like almost everything) in device manager
[01:58] <HelpMe> ok LOOK I GET NO SOUND ITS THAT SIMPLE I CANT PLAY CDS I CANT DO THE DEFULT STARTUP SOUNDS I CANT DO ANYTHING
[01:58] <penguin42> ogra: and keeping upto date on those is a royal pain - its a pity that the kernel can't autogenerate a PCI-ID list for drivers
[01:58] <Fackamato> HelpMe: You're an idiot. Please fuck off and die.
[01:58] <RealKillaz> hello ubuntu...........
[01:58] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: shouting won't help
[01:58] <mohaham> jfk303, it worked for me though
[01:58] <penguin42> epicenter: Can you do an /sbin/lspci and find the sound card
[01:58] <ogra> penguin42, it actually hs one
[01:58] <HelpMe> well nither does talking i dont see the difrence
[01:58] <jfk303> mohaham: ilooked theer but missed it the first tie cause' it does not have the official skype icon, does yours?
[01:58] <epicenter> 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1)
[01:58] <RealKillaz> Oo
[01:58] <chazwurth> HelpMe: 1) turn off caps or be ignored. being frustrated isn't an excuse for being rude. 2) what sound card are you using?
[01:58] <mohaham> jfk303, it does..
[01:59] <ogra> epicenter, ouch...
[01:59] <kdp> HelpMe: to recreate what you did, look at your .bash_profile
[01:59] <kdp> er, .bash_history
[01:59] <HelpMe> its a built in one i dotnt know what it is
[01:59] <ogra> epicenter, looks like your HW is pretty new
[01:59] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[01:59] <jfk303> mohaham, ok, I'll try removing it and installing it again?
[01:59] <HelpMe> kdp: i cant it wasnt just commands i had to press buttons as well
[02:00] <RealKillaz> I'm very excited about ubuntu guys... I hope it will meet my expectations
[02:00] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: read the link I posted for you then come back
[02:00] <HelpMe> ok
[02:00] <whiskers> epicenter, ok in that file did you see it call the snd-pcm and snd-mixer etc
[02:00] <enkidu> Can anyone tell me why my /etc/modutils/alsa-base file only contains one line?
[02:00] <epicenter> eep..
[02:00] <carthik> RealKillaz, ubuntu gals are very exciting too ... lol
[02:00] <epicenter> I think so
[02:00] <penguin42> epicenter:  OK, it looks like nForce 3 is explicitly supported by the intel8x0 driver
[02:00] <whiskers> epicenter, ok...then do lsmod to see if those modules are loaded
[02:00] <ogra> enkidu, because it isnt used...
[02:01] <enkidu> what do you mean?
[02:01] <RealKillaz> carthik: oh yeah.... where are they?
[02:01] <kelk1> k. live starts on my laptop, but it picked a wrong resolution. Can I pass the resolution at boot time?
[02:02] <epicenter> snd_intel8x0 and snd_ac97_codec are loaded
[02:02] <epicenter> I do have ac97 codec and that is the right driver..
[02:02] <HelpMe> oi that dont help me
[02:02] <RealKillaz> carthik: show me .. so I can enjoy!
[02:02] <whiskers> epicenter, ok...keep going are the snd-pcm and other stuff loaded
[02:02] <|iSquared|> other people having sound problems too?
[02:02] <epicenter> snd-pcm is not
[02:02] <crimsun> enkidu: modutils is for 2.4 kernels
[02:03] <epicenter> snd_mixer_oss is
[02:03] <epicenter> but not snd-mixer
[02:03] <enkidu> ok, so where would i look for the settings to alsa?
[02:03] <epicenter> snd_pcm_oss is .. but not snd-pcm
[02:03] <crimsun> enkidu: "settings to alsa"?
[02:03] <whiskers> yes that is ok...but is snd-intel8x0 loaded
[02:03] <rr72> hi Grim76
[02:03] <enkidu> alsa is not working, and i was told on the message boards to edit that file, but theres nothing in it
[02:04] <whiskers> enkidu, you don't have the right permissions...there is stuff in it
[02:04] <enkidu> i su'ed to root and still nothing
[02:04] <crimsun> enkidu: ...don't edit /etc/*/alsa*
[02:04] <epicenter> whiskers: do I need to get snd-pcm and snd-mixer somehow running then?
[02:05] <whiskers> ok you su to root and nano /etc/modutils/alsa-bas
[02:05] <whiskers> base
[02:05] <crimsun> epicenter: what sound card do you have?
[02:05] <whiskers> epicenter, first is snd-intel8x0 loaded
[02:05] <Grim76> hello rr72
[02:05] <epicenter> crimsun: nForce 3 onboard ac97
[02:05] <whiskers> epicenter, you have to answer the questions
[02:05] <enkidu> yes, and there is still only one line in it
[02:05] <rr72> Grim76~ why don't u go to #suse any more?
[02:05] <epicenter> whiskers: yes it is.
[02:05] <ogra> crimsun, epicenter has an nforce it seems
[02:05] <crimsun> whiskers: scroll up, he answered that already
[02:05] <twalls> wow... ubuntu is like sex
[02:06] <whiskers> is snd-pcm loaded
[02:06] <crimsun> ogra: ok.
[02:06] <epicenter> yes
[02:06] <epicenter> now it is
[02:06] <epicenter> I loaded it
[02:06] <epicenter> twalls: When it works, it is :(
[02:06] <Grim76> rr72 not using it anylonger actually.  Moved to FC3 and Ubuntu
[02:06] <enkidu> yes, snd_pcm is loaded
[02:06] <whiskers> ok is snd_ac_97codec loaded
[02:06] <epicenter> arrrghhh
[02:06] <rr72> Grim76~ u don't like it ne more?
[02:06] <crimsun> epicenter: what's not working with it? Paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto http://pastebin.com
[02:06] <ogra> epicenter, listen to crimsun, he knows about audio....
[02:06] <epicenter> maybe I should just go steal a PCI sound card from some box
[02:07] <twalls> it likes my ibook very much :D
[02:07] <Grim76> It is ok...however these two distros solved a few problems I was having that I could not seem to get permanently resolved in suse
[02:07] <penguin42> epicenter: You know real absolutely bog standard bototm of the range creative cards just work
[02:07] <rr72> kool
[02:07] <twalls> video works, sound works, wifi works, keyboard works, touchpad works, cd/dvd works... network printing works
[02:07] <thoreauputic> twalls: you got it working then?
[02:07] <epicenter> http://pastebin.com/269459 ?
[02:07] <twalls> yup :)
[02:08] <|iSquared|> sounds like lots of people are having sound issues.... i am.. i get crackly sound
[02:08] <twalls> im guessing it was the firewire drive i had plugged in... not sure why, since i didnt touch it
[02:08] <sfo01> Might be a stupid question, but is there a way to copy the live cd on disk and boot from it?
[02:08] <twalls> oh for sound, try boosting your drc range in alsamixer
[02:08] <crimsun> epicenter: and you're using the line-out for speakers?
[02:08] <RealKillaz> do you have to download the CDs to be able to upgrade ubuntu?
[02:08] <epicenter> the green jack, yeah
[02:08] <epicenter> line-out.
[02:08] <epicenter> it's not a hardware issue; worked in XP an hour or two ago
[02:09] <thoreauputic> RealKillaz: no
[02:09] <chazwurth> sfo01: not that I know of, but isn't that just like installing?
[02:09] <RealKillaz> upgrade to 5.04
[02:09] <penguin42> iSquared: Which chipset?
[02:09] <twalls> what do you have to adjust in alsamixer epicenter?
[02:09] <penguin42> iSquared: Crackly but is audible?
[02:09] <crimsun> epicenter: are you using in-kernel ALSA or alsa-source?
[02:09] <epicenter> master, pcm, surround, center, lfe, line, line in,  cd
[02:09] <|iSquared|> penguin42, yes
[02:09] <epicenter> I have no idea, I just installed hoary
[02:09] <epicenter> It's SOMETHING Alsa-related
[02:09] <twalls> hmm
[02:09] <epicenter> yet every sound app I run bitches about OSS!
[02:09] <twalls> for me, it was the drc range that had to be bumped up
[02:10] <twalls> it was really poppy and inconsistent
[02:10] <thoreauputic> RealKillaz: edit your sources to replace "warty" with "hoary" , then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:10] <penguin42> iSquared: just do a cat /proc/asound/cards and tell me what card it is - I've seen it on an Ensoniq AudioPCI
[02:10] <crimsun> epicenter: cat /proc/asound/cards  lists only one card, correct?
[02:10] <twalls> but now it sounds fine
[02:10] <sfo01> chazwurth, not really. Just making a directory in an existing distro.
[02:10] <epicenter> Since I loaded those modules VLC stopped whinign about /dev/dsp
[02:10] <crimsun> epicenter: unmute the 'External Amplifier'
[02:10] <epicenter> but it still play silence
[02:10] <|iSquared|> it did this when i installed mandrake 9 a while back, it's my via1612A integrated on my shuttle ak32a board
[02:10] <epicenter> ok
[02:10] <epicenter> crimsun: still no sound.
[02:11] <epicenter> it became '00' instead of 'MM'
[02:11] <crimsun> epicenter: good.
[02:11] <enkidu> should i upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:11] <kdp> of course!
[02:11] <chazwurth> sfo01: aah. I have no idea how you'd make that bootable.
[02:11] <HelpMe> has anone decided to help me get my sound card going yet Why doesnt it work?
[02:11] <Vjaz> Yes.
[02:11] <ogra> enkidu, sure :)
[02:11] <|iSquared|> penguin42, did that help? the via1612a?
[02:11] <enkidu> is there an easy way to do that without redooing the whole install from cd?
[02:11] <penguin42> iSquared: Try playing around with any of the on/off mixer switches (e.g. external amp as crimsun just suggested, but also I've seen one marked IEC...)
[02:11] <epicenter> crimsun: I got:
[02:11] <RealKillaz> thoreaputic: ok I'll do that when I finished installing this one.
[02:11] <ogra> enkidu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:11] <epicenter> 0 [CK8S           ] : NFORCE - NVidia CK8S
[02:11] <epicenter>                      NVidia CK8S with CMI9761 at 0xfdffb000, irq 20
[02:11] <epicenter> 1 [Bt878          ] : Bt87x - Brooktree Bt878
[02:11] <epicenter>                      Brooktree Bt878 at 0xfddfd000, irq 16
[02:11] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: you didn't read that link, obviously
[02:12] <enkidu> ogra, thanks
[02:12] <epicenter> my video capture card's in there too O.o
[02:12] <crimsun> penguin42: iec958 is optical out, spdif
[02:12] <RealKillaz> cause I'm already installing a CD I got from a friend
[02:12] <sfo01> chazwurth, I was more thinking about using the existing lilo or grub.
[02:12] <|iSquared|> which mixer do i use to do that?
[02:12] <RealKillaz> and I think it has the old version warty
[02:12] <HelpMe> its not helpful its not going to fix my soundcard it will just rid of me for a few hours
[02:12] <whiskers> epicenter, well i am going to leave it to crimson but we have already been through that mixer jazz
[02:12] <sfo01> chazwurth, but don't bother. The live CD is fine.
[02:12] <mz2> whoa, Hoary is such a success. I love this thing :)
[02:13] <moeru> whee
[02:13] <epicenter> ok.
[02:13] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: it's extremely helpful, and will teach you how to get useful help
[02:13] <whiskers> epicenter, that is where we started
[02:13] <epicenter> yep :(
[02:13] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: until you ask good questions, you won't get good answers
[02:14] <crimsun> epicenter: mute Surround
[02:14] <flipy> how can i get gaim to blink when it gets a new message? :(
[02:14] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: "garbage in, garbage out"
[02:14] <DooD> guys do you know a good program for web development under gnome?
[02:14] <RealKillaz> where can I check the difference between two version?
[02:14] <epicenter> ok
[02:14] <HelpMe> look you guys are the worst helpers in the world you cant even try to help me
[02:14] <RealKillaz> DooD: bluefish?
[02:14] <ogra> RealKillaz, lsb_release -a
[02:15] <epicenter> HelpMe: Your questions make no sense.
[02:15] <crimsun> HelpMe: you're one impatient person
[02:15] <RealKillaz> ogra: thre is not a list on the website?
[02:15] <HelpMe> WHY doesnt my soundcard work?
[02:15] <epicenter> crimsun: Muted, no help
[02:15] <DooD> thanks
[02:15] <Arnia> flipy: The message notification plugin
[02:15] <thoreauputic> HelpMe: you don't want the help offered, and you insult us - what are you expecting then?
[02:15] <epicenter> HelpMe: WHAT IS the meaning of life?
[02:15] <chazwurth> HelpMe: let me translate. He's trying to say, "You're being rude, not looking for any information on your own, and acting like you're entitled to help, so no one wants to help you."
[02:15] <DooD> any uml designing programs?
[02:15] <flipy> Arnia, can you explain it a little bit more?
[02:15] <Arnia> flipy: Go to plugins in preferences
[02:15] <crimsun> HelpMe: can't you see there are only a FEW of us helping with sound? Wait patiently.
[02:16] <RealKillaz> DooD: np
[02:16] <ogra> RealKillaz, the old version is 4.10 (warty), the new version is 5.04 (hoary)
[02:16] <Arnia> DooD: ArgoUML (java) or Umbrello (KDE) or even Dia (GTk)
[02:16] <chazwurth> HelpMe: For example: you don't need one of us to figure out what sound card you have. Use google. Get a screwdriver and open your case up so you can look at the damn thing. Look at the vendor's documentation for the machine.
[02:16] <super_dude2> REMEMBER ME!
[02:16] <epicenter> crimsun: Do you think my video capture card is interfering? IT does show up as a sound card.
[02:16] <DooD> i already installed umbrello under gnome
[02:16] <RealKillaz> ogra: I know... but I mean a "What's new" list...
[02:16] <DooD> will it work?
[02:16] <mz2> DooD, don't know about any good gnome tools for that, but if you need a wysiwyg editor, install Nvu, and if you want a really good html/xml/whatnot editor, install jEdit
[02:16] <super_dude2> crimsun: hello again
[02:17] <Arnia> DooD: Yes, but it will look odd :)
[02:17] <ogra> RealKillaz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[02:17] <mz2> oh, uml :)
[02:17] <crimsun> epicenter: it shouldn't be interfering. aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav  gives you silence?
[02:17] <mz2> umbrello is crap
[02:17] <mz2> unstable as hell
[02:17] <DooD> nvu and jedit
[02:17] <DooD> ok
[02:17] <DooD> thanks
[02:17] <epicenter> crimsun: yes
[02:17] <RealKillaz> ogra: thnx
[02:18] <DooD> what category is nvu under?
[02:18] <epicenter> crimsun: Silence. and if I use XMMS I get "WARNING alsa_setup(): failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy"
[02:18] <DooD> i couldn't find either of those two
[02:18] <Riddell> mz2: I don't remember getting any bugzilla reports from you
[02:18] <crimsun> epicenter: well, did you change xmms's output to esound?
[02:18] <libben> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686-smp root=/dev/hdb3 ro quiet splash //// Do i just add the xpm.gz file here? and can i add vga=791?
[02:18] <epicenter> crimsun: No, it's on ALSA. Esound does the same
[02:18] <epicenter> crimsun: lsof /dev/dsp says vlc has it open but it doesn't
[02:19] <whiskers> epicenter, i can't resist but you may be running two sound cards and need a special alsaconfig
[02:19] <crimsun> epicenter: set it to esound.
[02:19] <DooD> mz2: what category are Vnu and jEdit under
[02:19] <crimsun> whiskers: he doesn't.
[02:19] <DooD> they're not under main or universe or multiverse i already searched
[02:19] <epicenter> "Can't open audio"
[02:19] <libben> anyone?
[02:19] <crimsun> whiskers: hw:0 is separate from hw:1; they don't conflict
[02:19] <ogra> whiskers, thats all kernel 2.4 ....
[02:19] <epicenter> unless it thinks my bt878 capture card is an audio card
[02:19] <epicenter> it shows up
[02:19] <mz2> Riddell, when i last tried it, it was below the point where i'd want to bother, as it was also rather unproductive to my taste (this sounds harsher than i wanted :). i've invested in MagicDraw to wait for a good free uml modeler :)
[02:19] <crimsun> epicenter: good, that's what you're supposed to get.
[02:20] <super_dude2> crimsun: you already helped me with my soundcard i remember you but you help too many ppl so you wont remember me i asked the same question and you answer but this time you guys wont  it quite silly my questions not bad you guy just wont it to be cuase it worked last time and the only thing thats difrent is everyone else
[02:20] <crimsun> epicenter: I'm matching your amixer output to mine, sec
[02:20] <whiskers> crimsun, no..not the hardware but the assignment of the modules
[02:20] <whiskers> crimsun, but i don't know i never tried 2 sound cards
[02:21] <crimsun> super_dude2: I'm not purposely ignoring you; if you'd like help, notice that there are very few people helping with sound. Please paste the relevant information onto http://pastebin.com and be patient.
[02:21] <whiskers> crimsun, it would be interesting to know if it can work
[02:21] <super_dude2> grr thats what you said last time
[02:21] <crimsun> whiskers: his /proc/asound/cards shows that his onboard chipset is the primary one, as expected.
[02:21] <Riddell> mz2: well if you don't report problems, it's kinday hard to fix them
[02:22] <crimsun> super_dude2: I am _one_ volunteer. Do not expect me to help you and you only.
[02:22] <ogra> super_dude2, so just do what he said... and give the pastebin url :)
[02:22] <Cicada> hey all, I'm having some trouble installing ubuntu... It is hanging on the Configuring APT section of the install... "testing network repository"
[02:22] <Cicada> any ideas
[02:22] <RealKillaz> hehehe lemme logout out of here and start playing with Ubuntu
[02:22] <whiskers> crimsun, oh...ok...well one module did not load and he did successfully load it...but there may be more
[02:23] <crimsun> super_dude2: there are about five people asking about sound, and it's very hectic. I'm sorry I can't answer your question immediately, but that's just how I function.
[02:23] <Cicada> eeek busy in here this morning
[02:24] <Cicada> you'll all be pleased... just dumped fedora for ubuntu
[02:24] <crimsun> whiskers: (right, but his amixer output is what I'm using to diagnose)
[02:24] <kdp> is it necessary to be sorry? not really
[02:24] <super_dude2> crimsun: maby if you had good memory you wuld already realise that you helped me a while ago and know what to do it didnt take you one hour last time for nothing
[02:24] <kdp> so...feel good about helping even 1 person!
[02:24] <spanglesontoast> where can i get sun-j2sdk1.5 as a package?
[02:24] <whiskers> crimsun, ok you go ahead...i am just curious
[02:25] <thoreauputic> super_dude2: you are acting, to be honest, like a spoiled child
[02:25] <mz2> Riddell, quite true. but also, you can't expect every user who tries Umbrello and finds it unsuitable for his uses, to file bugs. at the time I tried umbrello I just needed to get something done quickly, and Umbrello kept messing up in various ways (that was about six months ago, do you think i should reconsider? :)
[02:25] <KillazUbuntu> well...
[02:25] <sysrq> super_dude2: maybe you should just shutup and stop making an ass of yourself, you don't deserve the help you've already gotten with an attitude like that
[02:25] <crimsun> whiskers: feel free to help; by all means, there aren't enough helpers :)
[02:25] <ogra> spanglesontoast, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:25] <Grim76> Super:  Just wait...this is right after a release...there will be many people with questions.  Please be patient.  Many others are waiting on questions to be answered, and they are waiting patiently...so please wait as they are as well.
[02:26] <|PecK|>  anyone remember those telnet rpg games?
[02:26] <sysrq> |PecK|: MUDs?
[02:26] <epicenter> crimsun: Maybe I should pull my capture card and reboot?
[02:26] <epicenter> and see if it helps?
[02:26] <penguin42> anyway I'm out of here - my debian/sid conversion seems to be a happy ubuntu now - the only gotcha I have is remote printing
[02:26] <Riddell> mz2: there's been a lot of problems fixed in 1.4 (with KDE 3.4, in hoary)
[02:26] <whiskers> crimsun, it seems to me the easiest way to get it working is to use bios to shut off the mobo soundchip and play/record sound from his video/snd card
[02:27] <whiskers> crimsun, but you know if he can get two working that is interesting
[02:27] <Cicada> hey my install just got somewhere after hanging for 20 minutes =)
[02:27] <crimsun> epicenter: it really has nothing to do with your onboard sound not working, unfortunately. It's a mixer setting for your onboard.
[02:27] <epicenter> crimsun: shouldn't I get no errors if that's the case?
[02:27] <epicenter> things are bitching about /dev/dsp left and right
[02:27] <|PecK|> sysrq, yes :))
[02:28] <crimsun> epicenter: that's because an application has already grabbed /dev/dsp
[02:28] <|PecK|> sysrq, any still up?
[02:28] <chazwurth> crimsun: I dunno if this has anything to do with it, but I had a sound problem a while back that I think had similar errors, and I fixed it by turning off 'enable sound server startup' in the GNOME sound preferences
[02:28] <mz2> Riddell, cool! I'll give it a try :)
[02:28] <KillazUbuntu> I find Gnome difficult to work with I'm accostumed to KDE
[02:28] <crimsun> epicenter: did you say that vlc has already grabbed it?
[02:28] <epicenter> yeah
[02:28] <epicenter> it crashed :P\
[02:28] <sysrq> |PecK|: probably, this isn't the place for such queries and I'm sure google would be more than helpfull on the subject
[02:28] <crimsun> chazwurth: that would be correct if your sound applications are set to use alsa directly
[02:29] <SuperLag> Any of you guys have an Audigy2 sound card on your Ubuntu boxes?
[02:29] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, so lsof /dev/snd/* and lsof /dev/dsp* both return nothing?
[02:29] <chazwurth> crimsun: ah. sorry for butting in, just a thought
[02:29] <crimsun> chazwurth: no need to apologise
[02:29] <crimsun> super_dude2: have you pasted your info onto pastebin.com?
[02:29] <kelk1> bye evby and good luck to Ubuntu.
[02:29] <|PecK|> sysrq, i'm googling it, I wasn't querying it, sorry if you were bothered......................
[02:29] <epicenter> dev/dsp* returns vlc     9901 root    8w   CHR   14,3      7225 /dev/dsp
[02:29] <epicenter> VLC is very closed
[02:29] <super_dude2> no im still dong it it took US an hour last time its a lot of work
[02:30] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, but it appears you have a root session of vlc running still
[02:30] <crimsun> epicenter: sudo pkill vlc
[02:30] <epicenter> I didI did
[02:30] <epicenter> *I did
[02:30] <epicenter> it keeps coming up with vlc owning /dev/dsp :P
[02:30] <epicenter> even though it is not running
[02:31] <jesuel> *cheer*
[02:31] <crimsun> epicenter: you used sudo to pkill vlc, or you used pkill vlc?
[02:31] <epicenter> sudo -s, then killall vlc, then pkill vlc ..
[02:31] <epicenter> over and over
[02:31] <epicenter> nothing happens
[02:31] <thoreauputic> epicenter: maybe you need to kill -9 it ?
[02:31] <jesuel> Very happy with the hoary release. Think everything is actually gonna work this time :)
[02:32] <mz2> Riddell, do you get that a lot btw? people complaining randomly about something and not bothering with reporting it? personally I'd find it really annoying :)
[02:32] <epicenter> thoreauputic: "arguments must be proces or job IDs"
[02:32] <epicenter> with kill -9 vlc
[02:32] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, if that's the case, and since modules were re/unloaded, please start afresh from a reboot.
[02:32] <super_dude2> crimsun its in now see if you remember that!
[02:32] <epicenter> crimsun: ok.
[02:32] <thoreauputic> epicenter: you would need the process ID number
[02:32] <moeru> blah..samba's not my friend anymore
[02:33] <benplaut> where can i find an install guide for Hoary? i can't seem to find one anywhere
[02:33] <Brazmetal> hallo.
[02:33] <thoreauputic> super_dude2: you haven't posted the url
[02:33] <Brazmetal> does someone here streams radio ?
[02:33] <super_dude2> crimsun: i skipped the alsamixer cause i dont know what to do in there
[02:33] <super_dude2> http://pastebin.com/269464
[02:34] <crimsun> super_dude2: that's fine; the amixer output is most helpful
[02:35] <crimsun> super_dude2: ok, what about lspnp -v ?
[02:35] <mz2> Riddell, because you do have a point there. I did learn a lesson there, so apologies for a stupid comment :)
[02:35] <carthik> benplaut, something specific you need help with? popping in the install cd will work just fine...
[02:35] <crimsun> super_dude2: (your card isn't pci, so lspci doesn't help)
[02:35] <super_dude2> yes why do you think you told me to do that I dont know what any of that does so monkey see monkey do
[02:35] <penguin42> crimsun: Not pci?! What the hell is it?
[02:35] <benplaut> nothing specific... i just like a bit of documentation...
[02:35] <benplaut> peace of mind
[02:35] <epicenter> OK ... no sounds have played yet since boot
[02:35] <epicenter> bad sign?
[02:35] <crimsun> penguin42: eisa
[02:35] <penguin42> crimsun: Woh! WTF is he installing on?
[02:36] <crimsun> epicenter: that's precisely where you want to be. Confirm that lsof /dev/dsp*; lsof /dev/snd/*  return nothing
[02:36] <linuxfreak_> how do I add my other user on sudo ??
[02:36] <crimsun> linuxboy: use your original user to sudo visudo
[02:36] <crimsun> linuxboy: sorry
[02:36] <crimsun> St0n3-C0l: use your original user to sudo visudo
[02:37] <epicenter> crimsun: snd returns nothing
[02:37] <epicenter> dsp returns:
[02:37] <taishakutin> hey, I have 2 sound cards and unfortunately everything is trying to play through the wrong one. I'm trying to change the default alsa device but the documentation doesn't seem to apply to ubuntu's implementation of alsa - any ideas anyone?
[02:37] <epicenter> COMMAND  PID      USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[02:37] <epicenter> esd     7797 epicenter    5w   CHR   14,3      6845 /dev/dsp
[02:37] <Crane> hello
[02:37] <crimsun> taishakutin: cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:37] <Brazmetal> which is better? Amule or Xmule ?
[02:37] <crimsun> taishakutin: onto pastebin.com
[02:37] <ama> taishakutin can you disable via bios?
[02:38] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, good.
[02:38] <taishakutin> crimsun, can i just tell you? ;-)
[02:38] <epicenter> a friend thought esd got in the way and told me to kill it earlier, that never helped
[02:38] <whiskers> taishakutin, that is what i was saying earlier...you might need a special alsa config
[02:38] <crimsun> taishakutin: I prefer pastebin
[02:38] <carthik> benplaut, installation documentation is bsent since the installer guides you through the process. Pop in an install cd and you should be on your way :)
[02:38] <Flonne> crimsun, simple question: is Ubuntu so heavily dependent on ALSA that using a kernel with only OSS support would be difficult?
[02:38] <taishakutin> ama, tried, the bios must be buggy because it shows up none the less
[02:38] <St0n3-C0l> when I do "su" and when it asks for password
[02:38] <whiskers> crimsun, but i really don't know
[02:38] <St0n3-C0l> it says wrong password
[02:38] <epicenter> St0n3-C0l: sudo -s
[02:38] <epicenter> then password
[02:39] <crimsun> Flonne: no, ubuntu is not heavily dependent on alsa. It uses alsa's oss emulation for esd. oss->esd would be fine.
[02:39] <alex> does anyone know how to find the kml donkey core?
[02:39] <taishakutin> whiskers, if you were saying it earlier, it wasn't to me :)
[02:39] <whiskers> crimsun, it seems to me the easiest thing to do is shut off the mobo soundchip and use the other video/snd card for sound
[02:39] <Flonne> Thanks.
[02:39] <whiskers> taishakutin, no i said it to epicenter
[02:39] <St0n3-C0l> epicenter: linuxfreak is not in the sudoers file
[02:39] <super_dude2> crimsun: it says bash: lspnp: command not found
[02:39] <epicenter> what?
[02:39] <epicenter> linuxfreak?
[02:39] <Flonne> (The hardware isn't supported by ALSA.)
[02:39] <St0n3-C0l> and I am trying to add linuxfreak account on sudoers file
[02:39] <St0n3-C0l> my username :p
[02:39] <epicenter> I have no idea what you mena
[02:40] <mohaham> benplaut,  http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=1
[02:40] <crimsun> Flonne: there are a few cards like that, unfortunately.
[02:40] <St0n3-C0l> Installed ubuntu-desktop and to check Gnome I added linuxfreak
[02:40] <St0n3-C0l> but when I am doing 'sudo' it says you're not in the sudoers file and when I do 'su' and password it says password incorrect
[02:40] <Flonne> Yeah. I'm just having problems with Ubuntu and this system. Just another challenge. :)
[02:40] <epicenter> I have no idea what you are talking about.
[02:40] <taishakutin> crimsun, whiskers, ama: http://www.pastebin.com/269465
[02:40] <crimsun> super_dude2: sudo aptitude install pcmcia-cs
[02:41] <jesuel> St0n3-C0l, what was the username you originally added when you installed.
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> stonecol
[02:41] <crimsun> taishakutin: so you want to use the audigy by default?
[02:41] <jesuel> you will need to login as that
[02:41] <taishakutin> crimsun, yep
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> alright
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> brb
[02:41] <crimsun> taishakutin: echo "options snd-cmipci index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[02:41] <jesuel> Then add the new username to sudoer's via visudo
[02:41] <dazed||lap> does ubuntu have drivers for every video card or just nvidia ones?
[02:41] <crimsun> taishakutin: then reboot
[02:42] <taishakutin> crimsun, i could just edit the .asoundrc but i'd like it that way for all users, the /etc/asound.conf file doesn't exist
[02:42] <epicenter> epicenter: linuxfreak is not in the sudoers file
[02:42] <taishakutin> ok thanks crimsun
[02:42] <epicenter> who is linux freak and what did yo umean?
[02:42] <epicenter> I have no idea what is going on
[02:42] <super_dude2> crimsun half way tru it says  * Starting PCMCIA services...                                          [fail] 
[02:42] <jesuel> epicenter, That was supposed to be for St0n3-col
[02:42] <crimsun> super_dude2: no big deal, you want the /sbin/lspnp utility.
[02:42] <crimsun> super_dude2: now paste onto pastebin.com the output of lspnp -v
[02:42] <super_dude2> ok it works now
[02:43] <super_dude2> doing now
[02:43] <taishakutin> crimsun, thanks, rebooting
[02:43] <Fanglez> Guys, I just got the latest cd. Does ubuntu give you a choice during installation which drive to use? (I'm a bit worried after a few things I heard)
[02:43] <jesuel> Fanglez, absolutely.
[02:43] <Flonne> Fanglez, yes, it has an interactive partitioner.
[02:43] <st0necol> anyway to add linuxfreak into /etc/sudoers ?
[02:43] <super_dude2> its in there now at the bottom of the first post
[02:43] <jesuel> st0necol, use visudo
[02:43] <st0necol> i did
[02:43] <mohaham> Fanglez, u can specify the partition to use as root
[02:44] <jesuel> i.e. sudo visudo
[02:44] <|iSquared|> anyone else have ideas on how to get rid of static on a via 8233
[02:44] <st0necol> where to put the username jesuel
[02:44] <Flonne> Fanglez, you have complete control over where you want it, and you can abort before committing changes if you need to ask more questions.
[02:44] <KillazUbuntu> how can I chnage the sources of apt-get from warty to hoary?
[02:44] <jesuel> it will require  root privledges
[02:44] <thoreauputic> st0necol: you might need to use the safe mode terminal to get root privileges (requires reboot)
[02:44] <Fanglez> thanks, last silly quest..does this latest release support 3com onboard network cards? Last one didn't and I had no idea what to do:)
[02:44] <mohaham> KillazUbuntu,  /etc/apt/sources.list     is the file where u need to make the change
[02:45] <crimsun> Fanglez: depends on the network chipset
[02:45] <thoreauputic> st0necol: recovery mode
[02:45] <st0necol> yeah
[02:45] <Fanglez> crimsun it's a 3com chipset on an auss board. Previous ubuntu distro didn't detect it and being a beginner, I had no idea where to go from there and once in ubuntu, I could net out:):)
[02:46] <st0necol> I understand
[02:46] <KillazUbuntu> mohaham, ok
[02:46] <Fanglez> asus
[02:46] <Obsidians> How do I compute the md5 sum of something in Ubuntu?
[02:46] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, we'll try one more thing, which is to upgrade your version of alsa. Make sure you enable the universe repository, then sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential alsa-source
[02:46] <Lemonzest> how do i turn on the font hinting?
[02:46] <crimsun> Obsidians: md5sum foo
[02:46] <carthik> KillazUbuntu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504 has upgrade notes, which is what you might need
[02:47] <Obsidians> Ah, easy enough. I'd just tried "md5 foo" so far. Thanx.
[02:47] <alfaxin16> Hi
[02:47] <hondje> Hi. I was thinking about giving ubuntu a spin, but I was wondering if the installer is smart enough to let me leave /dev/hda6 and continue using that for /home?
[02:47] <kdp> Fanglez: morning? what....continent.......are you on?
[02:47] <Fanglez> kdp Australia. And it's hot enough to melt the fur off a dingo's ass:):)
[02:48] <alfaxin16> uh??
[02:48] <super_dude2> crimsun: u got that right is in pastbin ok?
[02:48] <kdp> hahahahahaha, continuouing the stereotypes :-)
[02:48] <crimsun> super_dude2: yes
[02:48] <Flonne> Lemonzest, System > Preferences > Font [Details...]  (note: names may not be accurate; I'm currently not on an Ubuntu system)
[02:48] <super_dude2> coolies
[02:48] <thundr> I don't think I've ever seen a dingo.
[02:48] <Fanglez> kdp it's expected of us:):)
[02:48] <crimsun> oh my, alfaxin16 is even more impatient
[02:48] <carthik> hondje, sure, ask ubuntu to "keep that data on the partition" and to use it as /home.
[02:48] <CheeseBall> does anyone know of any other IM prog other than gaim
[02:48] <CheeseBall> maybe a better one
[02:48] <Fanglez> thundr they are just dogs with bigger teeth and meaner attitudes:)
[02:48] <hondje> carthik: okay, thanks :-)
[02:48] <carthik> hondje, you will get there when you edit/change the partition table
[02:49] <crimsun> CheeseBall: bitlbee, centericq, naim, ...
[02:49] <Flonne> CheeseBall, Kopete exists if you're using Kubuntu/kde-desktop. Individual IM apps exist for other protocols.
[02:49] <thundr> I know what they jook like, just never seen one at the zoo.
[02:49] <hondje> carthik: the screenshots made it look similar to the sarge beta installer?
[02:49] <Fanglez> :)
[02:49] <thundr> :)
[02:49] <CheeseBall> anyone that does many protocols like gaim
[02:49] <crimsun> hondje: that's because it's based on the sarge installer
[02:49] <carthik> hondje, yes it does look similar... but is different, in its own small ways
[02:49] <CheeseBall> and anyone that you would particually reccommend
[02:49] <Fanglez> okay, burn nearly done. I guess I'll install and see what happenes. probably will end up back here though:)
[02:49] <Lemonzest> i installed all the codec/dvd stuff
[02:49] <hondje> okay, but it'll at least be familiar then :) Thanks a lot
[02:50] <Lemonzest> and now totum fails to open
[02:50] <carthik> hondje, anytime
[02:50] <eruin> what's so great about the hoary installer is that it asks so few questions :)
[02:50] <KillazUbuntu> carthik, great
[02:50] <hondje> oh, one last thing...where is a package list for it?
[02:50] <crimsun> epicenter: ping me when you've done that.
[02:50] <super_dude2> crimsun i jsut did somfing i went int sound prefs and go play for one of the sounds and it worked
[02:50] <Jet2k5> Hey is there one of those cool ubuntu help sites for hoary?
[02:50] <crimsun> hondje: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:50] <hondje> Good place, thanks a ton :-)
[02:50] <Jet2k5> there was one for warty, I forgot the name
[02:51] <crimsun> super_dude2: so it does in fact work fine?
[02:51] <super_dude2> no i still cant make anyother sounds
[02:51] <crimsun> super_dude2: what are you using to make other sounds?
[02:51] <crimsun> super_dude2: (what applications)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: probably www.ubuntuguide.com/temp or something similar
[02:52] <Jet2k5> yeah that's it, but is there one for hoary?
[02:52] <super_dude2> cd player
[02:52] <thundr> I just ran out of space on my machine, are there caches or something I can get rid of?
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: I think that's the one for hoary, hence the 'temp'
[02:52] <hilz> Hi all. I am installing ubuntu from a cd i burned form the iso (at 4x speed, and the iso md5 is checked). When it reaches the "Install the base System" step, it breaks with the following error: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources...."
[02:52] <Jet2k5> well it's not there
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: but I may have the url wrong
[02:52] <super_dude2> totem wont work it says faliled to open filenamehere unkown reson
[02:53] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:53] <carthik> Jet2k5, the author of the ubuntuguide "updated" the documentation, so go to ubuntuguide.org IIRC
[02:53] <Jet2k5> .org not .com :)
[02:53] <Jet2k5> or nvm
[02:53] <crimsun> super_dude2: unmute both of your Master Digitals
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: maybe it's been moved to the default site at www.ubuntuguide.com by now ?
[02:53] <trueprophet> hey, does anyone know a good audio recorder with vst plugin capabilities for ubuntu?
[02:53] <libben> wich grub is it ubuntu has ? and where can i find faq on making adding a nice image
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: oops yes .org
[02:53] <carthik> hilz, is that a hoary cd ?
[02:54] <libben> ii  grub           0.95+cvs200406 GRand Unified Bootloader
[02:54] <AlinuxOS> hello guys, can you tell me what kind of software can I use to 3gp videos? (mobile phone format)
[02:54] <hilz> i guess so
[02:54] <Rusty> hi!
[02:54] <Jet2k5> TheOneCaledor: what mirror do you recommend besides the stock ones?
[02:54] <crimsun> trueprophet: audacity. Also try ecasound and ardour.
[02:54] <super_dude2> still no sound in cd player
[02:54] <Jet2k5> I seem to want to download other stuff, but I don't want to hose my system
[02:54] <Jet2k5> and I know that ubuntu really doesn't support universe
[02:54] <hilz> it is the install cd i downloaded from the website....iso image of the i386 installer
[02:54] <crimsun> super_dude2: is this on Warty or Hoary?
[02:54] <crimsun> super_dude2: your kernel's from Warty
[02:55] <carthik> hilz, what computer are you trying to install it on (what cpu?)
[02:55] <super_dude2> oh and again the little sound control up top right corneer  if you pull it up it goes down warty
[02:55] <crimsun> super_dude2: have you tried dist-upgrading to Hoary?
[02:55] <super_dude2> nope
[02:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: I'm more comfortable with newer versions of ALSA. Warty's is fairly old.
[02:56] <thundr> Is there anything I can get rid of that isn't necessary on my machine? Caches or temporary files?
[02:56] <super_dude2> i realy dont wont to i just wanted to get this going cause i dont want to reinstall everything
[02:56] <iapx8088> thundr, apt-get clean
[02:56] <whiskers> epicenter, did you ever get your sound working
[02:56] <Fanglez> okay, burn done. Going to install. Wish me luck, I amay need it:):)
[02:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: there is absolutely no need to reinstall
[02:56] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: universe is very safe - everyone uses it
[02:56] <thundr> thanks iapx8088
[02:56] <whiskers> epicenter, after rebooting
[02:57] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: just universal it is then , thanks
[02:57] <crimsun> super_dude2: simply change your /etc/apt/sources.list, then update and dist-upgrade
[02:57] <whiskers> epicenter, yours is a very interesting case
[02:57] <super_dude2> what
[02:57] <crimsun> super_dude2: it helps immensely if you have a fast Internet connection
[02:57] <super_dude2> well lol i have the opisite
[02:57] <crimsun> epicenter: did you ever pull down alsa-source ?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: multiverse is "non-free" software (patent encumbered, restricted etc) but works fine as well
[02:58] <thundr> is there a program I can use to add space to the partition from an ntfs?  It's formatted as reiser.
[02:59] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: what about the debian-marillat?
[02:59] <Jet2k5> or the debian unstable and stuff
[02:59] <super_dude2> could you jsut try to get it on this one for me please
[03:00] <crimsun> super_dude2: your volumes are set extremely low for Master Digital 0 and 1
[03:00] <ubuntujin> where'd stuNNed go?
[03:00] <super_dude2> so i do what
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: I've used marillat - it's fine too  - but you might look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: ok I just put what ever is on that list :)
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: don't mix debian stuff in though
[03:00] <hilz> carthink thank you for your help
[03:01] <hilz> carthik :) thank you for your hlep!
[03:01] <carthik> hilz, sure thing!
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: ie don't use debian unstable repos
[03:01] <thoreauputic> ec
[03:01] <epicenter> whiskers: still not working
[03:01] <thoreauputic> bah
[03:01] <epicenter> crimsun: What is alsa-source?
[03:01] <epicenter> I didn't install it ..
[03:01] <kh-rit> hi,
[03:01] <epicenter> unless it came with hoary
[03:01] <kbrooks> and dont use backports
[03:02] <epicenter> the source code for alsa?
[03:02] <kh-rit> i installed gnucash, but the font is ulgy... how can i fix it?
[03:02] <crimsun> epicenter: enable universe, then sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential alsa-source
[03:02] <rwh> anybody know why my sound just comes out as clicks and scratches?
[03:02] <rwh> fresh hoary on Toshiba Tecra 8100
[03:02] <epicenter> crimsun: attempting
[03:02] <rwh> worked ok with sarge
[03:02] <kdp> anybody use xcompmgr w/nvidia card and notice that xorg takes up like 500+ MBs of RAM
[03:03] <kbrooks> backports BREAK
[03:03] <epicenter> crimsun: done, now what?
[03:03] <super_dude2> crimsun: what now?
[03:03] <epicenter> .. hehehe
[03:03] <SeeRSea> hey craven.
[03:03] <crimsun> epicenter: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[03:03] <westyvw> can someone point me to a guide to setting up a dual boot with 1 disk
[03:04] <crimsun> super_dude2: the volumes are increased?
[03:04] <crimsun> or have been, rather
[03:04] <super_dude2> yes to the max
[03:04] <westyvw> why is ubunut suppsoed to be friendly to use, but really is a pain in the ass
[03:04] <epicenter> crimsun: Build with ISA PNP support?
[03:04] <carthik> westyvw, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[03:04] <az[a] zel> it's only their second release
[03:04] <epicenter> I doubt it needs that ..
[03:04] <crimsun> epicenter: no, yes, choose your sound driver (intel8x0)
[03:05] <shorty114> ubuntu hoary rocks
[03:05] <westyvw> thanbks
[03:05] <carthik> westyvw, it's just that getting used to a new system takes time...
[03:05] <epicenter> crimsun: I can pick ALL or DUMMY :P
[03:05] <super_dude2> but i still dont get why my little vol conrol wont go up?
[03:05] <westyvw> i dont care for it alot, but they have put in effort for the laptops, so I am into giving it a try. Replacing debian sid
[03:05] <crimsun> epicenter: then pick all
[03:05] <az[a] zel> I find that for what it provides, it's very user friendly.. it just doesn't have graphical tools for doing *everything* yet
[03:05] <crimsun> super_dude2: I'm searching, it takes a while.
[03:05] <super_dude2> ok sorry
[03:06] <carthik> westyvw, I use it on my laptop and it's great, you should like it :)
[03:06] <westyvw> it doesnt explain itsself very well, you have to dig deep. for that effort i usually go back to gentoo
[03:06] <benplaut> how would i dual boot with SuSE using LILO? i am a bit wary of the install not being able to finish because the reboot wouldn't work if it can't add itself to LILO
[03:06] <kkamrani> hey everyone, i've just installed ubuntu hoary on my laptop and got it all configured... however i need help using an external/secondary monitor. what do i need to do? i've done some research on the ubuntu wiki but i'm a bit lost still
[03:06] <crimsun> rwh: please paste amixer, lspci -v, lsmod, and dmesg output to http://pastebin.com
[03:06] <epicenter> crimsun: It just .. closes after it tells me to pick which one I want
[03:06] <rwh> crimsun: thanks, working on it
[03:06] <epicenter> crimsun: i never get a list of drivers
[03:06] <westyvw> second monitor on laptop...usually relies in support of vid card
[03:07] <crimsun> epicenter: were you able to tell it all, however?
[03:07] <epicenter> crimsun: I told it all, yes
[03:07] <whiskers> crimsun, he can't choose just one sound driver he has two sound cards
[03:07] <whiskers> crimsun, he may need all the drivers
[03:07] <epicenter> I only have one
[03:07] <epicenter> unless you count my video capture card
[03:07] <crimsun> whiskers: only intel8x0 needs to be updated
[03:07] <epicenter> which I can remove :P
[03:07] <kkamrani> westyvw, it is a Intel 82852/82855 video card
[03:07] <whiskers> epicenter, no you have two...you have one on your mobo and one on your video card
[03:07] <epicenter> ... what?!!
[03:08] <epicenter> Now I am confused.
[03:08] <crimsun> whiskers: cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:08] <crimsun> whiskers: sorry
[03:08] <crimsun> epicenter: cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:08] <blackout> where's a list of all ubuntu packages?
[03:08] <crimsun> blackout: packages.ubuntu.com, interestingly enough
[03:08] <blackout> crimsun, oh, like debian ;)
[03:09] <epicenter> crimsun: make'ing
[03:09] <crimsun> epicenter: afterward, ls ../*.deb, make sure there's 1 deb, then sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[03:09] <crimsun> epicenter: then reboot
[03:10] <whiskers> epicenter, apparently your video capture card has sound hardware as well
[03:10] <crimsun> super_dude2: ok, so what application are you using to successfully test sound?
[03:10] <blackout> are there any utilities to compare a dpkg -l list on a system to what's in hoary?
[03:10] <whiskers> epicenter, and so you have two sound cards
[03:10] <benplaut> anyone?
[03:10] <flyingmouseball> is ubuntu laptop friendly out of the box for penium m's, like having frequency scaling and the lie
[03:10] <whiskers> epicenter, that is why your case is very interesting
[03:11] <crimsun> benplaut: have you searched the wiki?
[03:11] <carthik> benplaut, i'm sorry but i use grub, and i shuold think that ubuntu should detect the other OS automatically when installing... but I am not sure, which is why I was silent
[03:11] <epicenter> whiskers: Oh, my video CAPTURE card. I thought yo umeant my VIDEO card
[03:11] <epicenter> whiskers: 6600GTs are revolutionary but not THAT revolutionary <g>
[03:11] <whiskers> epicenter, no your capture card
[03:11] <carthik> kkamrani, there is a XineramaHowTo at the wiki...did that help?
[03:12] <epicenter> whiskers: long-ass compile still ensuing
[03:12] <benplaut> i can't seem to find anyting in the wiki... I will retry GRUB... had problem with it in the first few tries 101
[03:12] <Cicada> after a clean ubuntu install what is the root pass?
[03:12] <epicenter> any kind of ETA? (this is an Athlon 64 2.2 GHz)
[03:12] <benplaut> Ci
[03:12] <crimsun> epicenter: a few minutes.
[03:12] <whiskers> epicenter, yes alsa takes a while to compile...but i am not sure where this is going...i am just curious
[03:12] <benplaut> Cicada: no root password... Sudo!
[03:12] <epicenter> "Shit, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good!"
[03:12] <crimsun> whiskers: alsa was designed to work with multiple cards
[03:12] <Cicada> ahh no root account?
[03:12] <epicenter> OK, done
[03:13] <crimsun> whiskers: I used to use usb, sblive, and delta 1010lt all in one box just fine
[03:13] <AlohaWolf> kkamrani, I can send you my config file for X, I use Xinerama
[03:13] <kkamrani> carthik, yes and no... i need to mirror the display with different resolutions (ideally i;d like my external monitor to show at 1280x1024) while my laptop lcd's max is 1024x768. the xineramahowto was to use dual displays with extended desktop
[03:13] <crimsun> epicenter: see instructions I gave you above
[03:13] <kkamrani> AlohaWolf, that would help a lot!
[03:13] <AlohaWolf> whats your email address?
[03:13] <cusco> does ubuntu have any sort of standby/sleep mode?
[03:14] <rwh> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/269478
[03:14] <Krys^^> I find ubuntu has a sucky standby/.sleep mode
[03:14] <epicenter> volume control crashed
[03:14] <cusco> where the hard discs spin down
[03:14] <epicenter> rebooting .....
[03:14] <elmaya> hello
[03:14] <cusco> screen goes off
[03:14] <elcu> cusco: i was about to ask that.
[03:14] <carthik> kkamrani..http://tinyurl.com/6l5zd is a guy's setup...
[03:14] <elmaya> i've just installed ubuntu as a samba server..and is slow as hell...
[03:15] <Krys^^> i couldn't get it to work on my system.. finally we just got it to turn off the monitor when I closed the lid, adn that was it
[03:15] <carthik> AlohaWolf, would you mind sending a copy to mail at carthik.net ?
[03:15] <kkamrani> carthik, okay i'll check it out too
[03:15] <kkamrani> carthik, thanks!
[03:15] <carthik> kkamrani, anytime
[03:15] <kkamrani> carthik, i think the tinurl is broken
[03:15] <kkamrani> carthik, lemme double check
[03:16] <crimsun> rwh: ok, are you using optical out (spdif) or analog line-out?
[03:16] <cusco> elcu: I was hopping that you were also about to get an answer
[03:16] <AlohaWolf> carthik, you wanr a copy of mine?
[03:16] <carthik> AlohaWolf, yes pleae
[03:17] <carthik> please
[03:17] <sig> what is a command to type in a terminal to have the output show what version of ubuntu your using?
[03:17] <epicenter> OK, done rebooting..
[03:17] <carthik> kkamrani /6l5zd is what it was...
[03:17] <crimsun> sig: lsb_release -a
[03:17] <rwh> crimsun: built in speakers. this is an oldish laptop; no whizzy optical stuff
[03:17] <crimsun> epicenter: confirm that /proc/asound/version lists 1.0.8
[03:18] <kkamrani> carthik, yeah i figured it out, i;m checking out his x config file
[03:18] <rwh> celeron coppermine 600
[03:18] <sig> crimsun: thatns
[03:18] <sig> thanks
[03:18] <crimsun> rwh: ok, and headphones are set to max?
[03:18] <epicenter> crimsun: it does, compiled arp 9 2005
[03:18] <epicenter> *apr
[03:18] <crimsun> rwh: (they don't appear to be)
[03:18] <dazed||lap> is there a way to get specific video card drivers for linux?
[03:18] <crimsun> rwh: and your pc speaker is muted
[03:18] <rwh> I've tried various settings of the volume control on hte front, if that's what you mean
[03:19] <doubleplus> How can I change my default sound device?
[03:19] <crimsun> doubleplus: cat /proc/asound/cards onto pastebin.com
[03:19] <AlohaWolf> carthik, kkamrani, sent
[03:19] <dazed||lap> how do i run an executable file?
[03:19] <kdp> doubleplus good!
[03:19] <epicenter> What's next?
[03:19] <carthik> AlohaWolf, gracias!
[03:20] <dazed||lap> not a .exe but its a purple diamond
[03:20] <carthik> dazed||lap, right click and select run...
[03:20] <crimsun> super_dude2: before you pinged out, I asked what application you used to obtain sound
[03:20] <crimsun> epicenter: have you tested the sound?
[03:20] <dazed||lap> carthik it doesnt do anything
[03:20] <carthik> dazed||lap, or from a terminal type > ./name-of-executable
[03:20] <super_dude2> ethier sound prefrs or termina
[03:20] <dazed||lap> thanks
[03:20] <elcu> cusco: have you tried googling?
[03:20] <epicenter> crimsun- no sound in VLC :(
[03:20] <crimsun> epicenter: don't use vlc
[03:20] <super_dude2> soory about that it was my lil brother disconecting the dialup
[03:20] <kkamrani> yeah AlohaWolf thanks!
[03:20] <crimsun> epicenter: close vlc
[03:21] <crimsun> epicenter: use aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav
[03:21] <rwh> crimsun: I've just turned up the gnome volume control and get slightly louder scratches
[03:21] <carthik> dazed||lap, if that fails , try sudo ./name-
[03:21] <dazed||lap> i got it
[03:21] <az[a] zel> dazed||lap, make sure it's executeable.. right click-> properties (I think, not using ubuntu atm), permissions -> check all the boxes for "executeable".. something like that.. then you should be able to just click on the file to run it
[03:21] <sig> here's my current screenshot  http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/ubuntuHoarycurrent.png
[03:21] <cusco> elcu: not really, have you?
[03:21] <rwh> crimsun: and it claims to be unmuted
[03:21] <doubleplus> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/269480
[03:21] <epicenter> crimsun: some wav of my own I assume?
[03:21] <crimsun> super_dude2: so esd work. Does xmms work after you set the output to esound?
[03:21] <crimsun> epicenter: yes.
[03:22] <AlohaWolf> kkamrani, carthik, that one is set up for ATI Cards, but if you use the configurator that comes with Ubuntu, you should be able to get the info for your card with ease
[03:22] <super_dude2> waht what?
[03:22] <crimsun> epicenter: /usr/share/ should have some
[03:22] <elcu> cusco: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Screensaver -> Advanced lets you put a timer to enter standby/suspend
[03:22] <crimsun> super_dude2: _does_ esd work?
[03:22] <super_dude2> whats esd?
[03:22] <crimsun> super_dude2: (I presume esd works, since your sound test works)
[03:22] <elcu> cusco: But I haven't found out how to force it.
[03:22] <Jet2k5> anybody here having issues with win-32 codecs?
[03:22] <Jet2k5> the are installed but they won't work
[03:22] <super_dude2> aplay -dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav thats how i play in terminal
[03:22] <Jet2k5> how do I re-install them or something?
[03:22] <nix000> is it possible to get the default desktop ? my kids played with my pc and lot of things are missing.
[03:23] <crimsun> super_dude2: that's good.
[03:23] <AlohaWolf> kkamrani, carthik, the hardest part is the BusID's
[03:23] <carthik> AlohaWolf, what configurator?
[03:23] <epicenter> crimsun: silence......
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: are you using hoary?
[03:23] <AlohaWolf> one moment
[03:23] <doubleplus> crimsun, is that what you wanted?
[03:23] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: yeah
[03:23] <cusco> elcu: lol... ok so now Im at the same point as you.. :P
[03:23] <az[a] zel> nix000, I think there's a package called "ubuntu-desktop", perhaps re-installing that would hepl
[03:23] <elcu> cusco: Ah, so you knew that, yeah?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: did you install mplayer?
[03:23] <epicenter> crimsun: BTW, the volume control is gone from my bar .....
[03:23] <crimsun> doubleplus: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[03:23] <cusco> elcu: I know now! :p
[03:23] <crimsun> doubleplus: then reboot
[03:23] <AlohaWolf> carthik, xorgconfig
[03:23] <bur[n] er> anyone know if breezy badger repos are up yet? :)
[03:24] <cusco> I would like to be able to close my laptop and it would SLEEP streight away
[03:24] <doubleplus> crimsun, thanks!
[03:24] <super_dude2> i did esd its in pastebin
[03:24] <nix000> az[a] zel, i just need it for myself !
[03:24] <carthik> AlohaWolf, I see... thanks.. curious, does that setup dual monitors if two are plugged in..?
[03:24] <crimsun> super_dude2: no worries, your sound works fine.
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: ?
[03:24] <super_dude2> not all of it?
[03:24] <AlohaWolf> carthik, xf86config didnt, I dont think it does either
[03:24] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: I'm using totem
[03:25] <carthik> AlohaWolf, alrighty - I would like to experiment with an extra monitor for my laptop...which is why I ask.
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[03:25] <crimsun> super_dude2: it does. Try googling to find which mixer setting you need to tweak for the cd control.
[03:25] <thoreauputic> (i'm guessing the latter)
[03:25] <epicenter> crimsun: XMMS tries damn hard to play, the VU meter moves in sync with the music, and there is no SOUND at all :P
[03:25] <elcu> cusco: maybe there isn't a way to force it.
[03:25] <epicenter> it says oss_open() failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp) device or resoruce busy
[03:25] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: didn't think of that
[03:25] <super_dude2> and my totem dont work
[03:25] <crimsun> epicenter: you're supposed to use esound if you enabled sound server startup
[03:25] <elcu> cusco: these guys are ignoring us. :-)
[03:25] <epicenter> I did
[03:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: well I install xine and it removes gstreamer :)
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: well, I suggest you install totem-xine
[03:26] <epicenter> Should I just turn off sound server startup? :P
[03:26] <whiskers> crimsun, if all else fails...i think the easiest thing to do for epicent.. is to disable his mobo sound chip and let him use his video/snd capture card for sound/recording/playback as well as video
[03:26] <Jet2k5> yeah
[03:26] <epicenter> I picked eSound and I still get this ........
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: hmm - it didn't here
[03:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: yepp that did it
[03:26] <whiskers> crimsun, this would avoid confusing the modules and the apps
[03:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: thanks
[03:26] <Jet2k5> bbl later, I'm sure I still have some problems to fix
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: no worries :)
[03:26] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: btw how do I check if I really really have hoary?
[03:27] <Jet2k5> what kernel I'm I suppose to have, and where is the release name thing?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5:  cat /etc/issue
[03:27] <difekta> i saw george lucas last night at a movie theater in san francisco.
[03:27] <Jet2k5> yeah it's official :)
[03:27] <Jet2k5> thanks guys
[03:27] <difekta> he was just standing in the lobby talking to some girl.
[03:27] <crimsun> epicenter: what's your primary card? cat /proc/asound/cards (don't paste)
[03:27] <cusco> elcu: hehehe
[03:27] <difekta> it was weird.
[03:27] <Jet2k5> bbl , thanks for the help
[03:27] <kdp> HAHAHAHA
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: and uname -a for the kernel
[03:27] <cusco> elcu: I think I will try again tomorrow :P
[03:27] <kdp> difekta: thats.......funny...considering on 60 min he was talking aobut not being w/anyone
[03:27] <pmai> my mouse does not work
[03:27] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: I knew that, but what's the kernel version for hoary?
[03:27] <elcu> cusco: righto, good luck.
[03:28] <Jet2k5> last time I remember hoary had 2.6.8 tooo
[03:28] <difekta> kdp he was talking to some teenage girl who must have been a fan.
[03:28] <crimsun> thoreauputic: (lsb_release -a is the canonical checker, thanks ogra)
[03:28] <epicenter> primary being, 0?
[03:28] <difekta> i didn't go up and bother him.
[03:28] <crimsun> epicenter: yes
[03:28] <kdp> ohlol
[03:28] <cusco> ty! you too elcu
[03:28] <super_dude2> crimsun: i stil cant have sound in the games or anything
[03:28] <epicenter> I'll paste, it's really short
[03:28] <epicenter> 0 [CK8S           ] : NFORCE - NVidia CK8S
[03:28] <epicenter>                      NVidia CK8S with CMI9761 at 0xfdffb000, irq 20
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: 2.10.5 I think (I'm on warty)
[03:28] <Jet2k5> 2.6.8.1-2-38
[03:28] <crimsun> epicenter: amixer output, please
[03:28] <Jet2k5> that's not good is it?
[03:29] <pmai> it is a serial mouse , how edit xorg.conf for it?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> crimsun: yes, I knew that, but I always remember /etc/issue :)
[03:29] <crimsun> thoreauputic: true.
[03:29] <carthik> Jet2k5, lsb_release -a should tell you what you are running
[03:29] <thoreauputic> crimsun: thanks for the reminder though :)
[03:29] <elcu> pmai: sudo fglrxconfig
[03:29] <elcu> pmai: make sure you back up your xorg.conf file first.
[03:29] <Jet2k5> carthik: yeah, I got that, but now I know the kernel is out of date
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: if you upgraded, you will need a reboot to load the new krnel
[03:30] <pmai> elcu only mouse is not working
[03:30] <elcu> pmai: mind, you need to have the fglrx driver installed.
[03:30] <pmai> other thing is very good
[03:30] <carthik> oh, i had just heard crimsun say that before... Jet2k5 and thought you hadnt heard that... oops
[03:30] <doubleplus> crimsun, I love you!
[03:30] <super_dude2> crimsun: its not right i cant play cds but if i shutdown my computer nothing works again
[03:30] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: I have, lol like 20 times
[03:31] <crimsun> super_dude2: and I can't really help with older versions of ALSA, because there are lots of bugs in them.
[03:31] <pmai> elcu: which name of serial port 1 under ubuntu ?
[03:31] <epicenter> did you get all of that?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: if you want to check, look at the kernels listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:31] <crimsun> epicenter: I presumed you would use pastebin, but yes
[03:31] <super_dude2> crimsun: so your just saying get used to it!
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: else you can easily apt-get a new kernel
[03:32] <crimsun> super_dude2: no, I'm saying upgrade to Hoary, then we'll troubleshoot again.
[03:32] <crimsun> super_dude2: it's like complaining that you can't lift heavy equipment when you have a broken arm
[03:32] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: yeah, but if it wasn't done in the update, then I'm not sure a lot of other apps where too
[03:32] <super_dude2> fine
[03:32] <elcu> pmai: Here's my mouse entry:
[03:32] <elcu> Section "InputDevice"
[03:32] <elcu>         Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
[03:32] <elcu>         Driver          "mouse"
[03:32] <elcu>         Option          "CorePointer"
[03:32] <elcu>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[03:32] <elcu>         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[03:32] <Jet2k5> I should of just installed from the cd instead of doing it from the internet
[03:32] <elcu>         Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[03:33] <elcu>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[03:33] <elcu> EndSection
[03:33] <crimsun> super_dude2: in the meantime I'll attempt to locate the control element
[03:33] <pmai> elcu, it is default config and was not working
[03:33] <libben> anyone installed the grub2 ?
[03:33] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: i just did apt-get ugrade, and a lot of packages are being held back
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: did you have a fairly standard  /etc/apt/sources.list ? No backports etc ?
[03:34] <crimsun> epicenter: you're not using any surround sound things, are you?
[03:34] <sebas_rhcp> hi
[03:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> how do I run a 32 bit GTK app in AMD64 ubuntu ? (e.g realplayer) ?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:34] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: well, I went to ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <epicenter> crimsun: no
[03:34] <epicenter> 2 speakers on line out
[03:34] <epicenter> should I Try all my crazy output ports?
[03:34] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: and I took the ones they recommened before adding the extra ones
[03:34] <crimsun> wait
[03:34] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: so pretty much I have the ones, that should of been there by defualt of the upgrade
[03:34] <crimsun> d'oh, I should have read more closely...9761
[03:34] <elcu> pmai: ah, not sure then. sorry
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: try   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   and cross your fingers ;)
[03:35] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: sure .. this one is almost done :)
[03:35] <Jet2k5> it's replaceing a lot of stuff
[03:36] <Jet2k5> seems like it's replacing the old stuff back?!?
[03:36] <Jet2k5> wtf
[03:36] <pmai> elcu, thank you
[03:36] <fgx> hi. i got a prob with suspend to disk
[03:36] <epicenter> one sec
[03:36] <elcu> pmai: Check this out:
[03:36] <elcu> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html
[03:36] <Jet2k5> went form gtkpod .88.0-41 to .88.0-40
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: it will replace stuff that depends on new packages etc
[03:36] <fgx> when i hibernate it freeze my laptop
[03:37] <Jet2k5> restart?
[03:37] <super_dude2> crimsun how do i tweak a cd control i dont have one!
[03:37] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: I'll restart hoping everything is back to normal :)
[03:37] <Jet2k5> brb
[03:37] <Fackamato> whatever gtk app (xchat/firefox) that tries to open a file dialouge crashes. how can I solve this?
[03:37] <crimsun> super_dude2: of course you don't, you're using a very old version of ALSA
[03:37] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: you do have all your sources as hoary, don't you?
[03:37] <pmai> elcu, what does that link about?
[03:37] <whiskers> super_dude2, he has already told you to upgrade so do that first
[03:37] <daniels> bluefoxicy: (regarding hash collisions) if md5 can be 'reversed', then you've found a way to compress an arbitrary (meaning, infinite) amount of data down to 20 or 32 or whatever bytes; nice work
[03:37] <elcu> pmai: HOWTO use a serial mouse.
[03:38] <fgx> someone else experincing probs with hibernation?
[03:38] <crimsun> epicenter: it looks like, unfortunately, your cmi9761 ac97 control is broken
[03:38] <elcu> pmai: OK, try this:
[03:38] <crimsun> epicenter: it wasn't fixed until feb 16th 2005
[03:38] <super_dude2> well 500mb is a lil to much for a 56k modem on a network being shard by to ppl
[03:38] <kdp> super_dude2: then order the cds
[03:38] <crimsun> epicenter: which means that you'll need even newer ALSA drivers than what are available in Hoary/universe
[03:38] <thoreauputic> super_dude2: order hoary from the shipit site
[03:38] <pmai> elcu, yes
[03:39] <willhig> how do I get a command to run at startup?
[03:39] <elcu> pmai: Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:39] <fgx> any dev here?
[03:39] <elcu> pmai: Make sure you back up first ...
[03:39] <super_dude2> and how do i stop it reseting after i shutdown all this stuff we have done today will be gone like last time
[03:39] <crimsun> fgx: hibernation bugs need to be checked in bugzilla.ubuntu.com first
[03:39] <elcu> pmai: Change this:  Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
[03:39] <elcu> Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
[03:39] <epicenter> crimsun: Christ. How the fuck do I get those..? :(
[03:39] <elcu> pmai: To this:
[03:39] <fgx> crimsun, doing it now
[03:39] <elcu>  Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
[03:39] <elcu> Option "Protocol" "Auto"
[03:40] <crimsun> epicenter: it's a matter of a few steps. Give me a sec to do this.
[03:40] <willhig> how do I get a command to run at startup?
[03:40] <crimsun> epicenter: first, erase /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver
[03:40] <carthik> willhig, system->preferences->sessions
[03:41] <crimsun> epicenter: then, wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2.tar.bz2
[03:41] <pmai> elcu, then  need logout or reboot?
[03:41] <crimsun> epicenter: then cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2  (again)
[03:41] <willhig> carthik, so I add the command to that list?
[03:41] <elcu> pmai: Are you in Gnome?
[03:41] <fgx> crimsun, only one bug relating to hibernation, different than mine
[03:41] <usual> congrats on the hoary release, what an amazing linux dist
[03:41] <carthik> willhig to startup programs - yes
[03:41] <willhig> carthik, all I'm running is dhclient ra0
[03:41] <pmai> elcu, yes
[03:42] <epicenter> wait, should this file be extracted in /usr/src/ or usr/src/modules ?
[03:42] <elcu> pmai: Try logging out and then back in again.
[03:42] <willhig> carthik, I just don't want to have to type it every time
[03:42] <crimsun> epicenter: /usr/src
[03:42] <carthik> willhig, will work
[03:42] <pmai> elcu, ok
[03:42] <pmai> elcu, brb
[03:42] <Jet2k5> well no new kernel
[03:42] <willhig> carthik, aweseome - thanks!
[03:42] <crimsun> epicenter: the tarball itself extracts to ./modules/alsa-driver/*
[03:42] <carthik> willhig, sure.
[03:43] <libben> i dont get this with hdparm.conf
[03:43] <epicenter> ok
[03:43] <crimsun> epicenter: have you downloaded 1.0.9rc2?
[03:43] <epicenter> yeah
[03:43] <epicenter> I need to untar the OLD one again though?
[03:43] <Jet2k5> wow
[03:44] <Jet2k5> I need to give that a try
[03:44] <crimsun> epicenter: you needed to untar the old one in /usr/src and the new one in /usr/src/modules
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: no new kernel?
[03:44] <epicenter> uh-oh, I Deleted the old one
[03:44] <epicenter> where do I get it again? :P\
[03:44] <libben> http://www.pastebin.com/269486 should i use the command line option instead and use my -d1 /dev/hdc stuff... or do this?
[03:44] <crimsun> epicenter: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[03:44] <epicenter> that's the file I am missing
[03:44] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: nope
[03:45] <epicenter> I have the rc2 one
[03:45] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: you are on warty?
[03:45] <crimsun> epicenter: apt-get --reinstall install alsa-source
[03:45] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: send me what you have, the current kervel v
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: apt-cache search linux-image and choose one for your processor
[03:46] <Jet2k5> 2.6?
[03:46] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: I'm on warty - 2.6.8.1-4-386
[03:46] <kangpeh> Ubuntu korean input is VERYeasy to setup :)
[03:46] <Jet2k5> darn
[03:46] <kangpeh> Ubuntu is so easy to setup - easier than winxp
[03:46] <Jet2k5> anyone here that is on warty
[03:46] <Jet2k5> for good, mind sending me your apt sources?
[03:46] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: you mean hoary
[03:46] <Jet2k5> yeah
[03:46] <Jet2k5> sorry
[03:46] <epicenter> extracted
[03:47] <epicenter> now what do I do with the rc2 one?
[03:47] <elcu> kangpeh: If you have a net connection, that is.
[03:47] <epicenter> tar xfj that too?
[03:47] <fgx> crimsun, do you think i have to submit a bug. what info do i have to paste in bug message?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: do you mind if I /msg you?
[03:47] <crimsun> fgx: as much as possible.
[03:47] <Jet2k5> thoreauputic: not at all
[03:47] <crimsun> fgx: hardware, dmesg, all that.
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Jet2k5: we can look at your sources
[03:47] <Jet2k5> k
[03:47] <kangpeh> elcu
[03:47] <kangpeh> you can just get the Ubuntu Korean CD huhu
[03:48] <Felesh> hi
[03:48] <Felesh> if ubuntu hoary is now stable, what is the name of the new "testing"
[03:48] <Felesh> ?
[03:48] <crimsun> epicenter: cd /usr/src/modules && sudo tar xfj /path/to/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2.tar.bz2
[03:48] <crimsun> Felesh: it will be Breezy.
[03:48] <fgx> crimsun, i have already submitted my hd spec to hd db? do i have to include id?
[03:48] <crimsun> fgx: it's helpful
[03:48] <elcu> kangpeh: Righto :-)  Sorry, I had to manually install packages until a while ago because I didn't have a working 'net connection.
[03:48] <Felesh> Breezy, i like it :)
[03:48] <fgx> crimsun, ok thanks
[03:49] <epicenter> is rc2 supposed to be in /usr/src or /usr/src/modules?
[03:49] <elcu> kangpeh: And I'm only on dial-up so I had to switch back and forth b/n Ubuntu and XP.
[03:49] <epicenter> or does it not matter?
[03:49] <crimsun> epicenter: extract it from within /usr/src/modules
[03:49] <crimsun> epicenter: the actual location of the tarball doesn't matter
[03:49] <elcu> kangpeh: But now I've got it working, so I'm 100% Ubuntu now. :-)
[03:49] <epicenter> OK
[03:49] <epicenter> It's extracted
[03:49] <fgx> crimsun, hem i never used suspend to disk before. do you conferm that a correct hibernation implies shutdown of my laptop. before i say stupid things in bugzilla.... :)
[03:49] <crimsun> epicenter: now cp -a alsa-driver/debian alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2/.
[03:50] <crimsun> epicenter: (with sudo)
[03:50] <epicenter> done
[03:50] <epicenter> you can skip the sudo's I am using sudo- s
[03:50] <epicenter> sudo -s
[03:50] <thundr> fgx, yes, hibernation will shutdown your laptop and write the contents of what's going on to disk
[03:50] <crimsun> epicenter: now cd alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2
[03:50] <crimsun> epicenter: then use the debian/rules command I gave you above
[03:51] <fgx> thundr, ok. what it is not doing now. so i'll file a bug.
[03:51] <thundr> fgx, is that a fresh install of hoary, or did you dist-upgrade?
[03:53] <epicenter> I see nothing about /debian/rules
[03:53] <fgx> thundr, dist-upgrade. but i had read release notes: i added RESUME=/dev/hda3 in mkinitrd.conf
[03:53] <crimsun> epicenter: not /debian/rules but debian/rules
[03:53] <thundr> okay, just making sure, fgx.
[03:54] <louis_> hi
[03:54] <epicenter> You haven't said anything with debian/rules in it
[03:54] <epicenter> I'm confused
[03:54] <libben> what do i type to see what has been executed by another command?
[03:54] <epicenter> I just did  cp -a alsa-driver/debian alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2/.
[03:54] <libben> cant remember it =)
[03:55] <Rusty> jhjk
[03:55] <Rusty> hello
[03:55] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, all that stuff to compile 1.0.8? I'm referring to that.
[03:55] <crimsun> epicenter: but because you've forgotten, I'll repeat it.
[03:56] <epicenter> thank you
[03:56] <crimsun> epicenter: cd /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2 && ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:56] <Azrael_-> hi
[03:56] <faxons> hi
[03:56] <Azrael_-> how can i check at what speed my centrino works atm? (i have just installed ubuntu on my laptop)
[03:57] <faxons> cat /etc/proc
[03:57] <faxons> wait
[03:57] <kkamrani> carthik, nay it did not work
[03:57] <epicenter> Compiling
[03:57] <kkamrani> carthik, i guess i will leave it for another day
[03:57] <faxons> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:58] <faxons> that show's my processor speed on PPC, I think it should work on centrino
[03:58] <epicenter> Centrino isn't a CPU type.
[03:58] <epicenter> Pentium-M is.
[03:58] <epicenter> Centrino = Pentium-M + Intel chipset + Wireless adapter certified by Intel
[03:59] <epicenter> usually broadcom or Intel pro/wireless 2200bg
[03:59] <Azrael_-> ofc, but i just want to know wether its throtteled now or not
[03:59] <faxons> epicenter: thanks for the clarification
[03:59] <epicenter> I'm just being an overly-precise ass :P
[04:00] <faxons> Azrael_: open a terminal and type "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[04:00] <carthik> kkamrani, will let you know if it works for me (should have your email addy)
[04:00] <faxons> epicenter: yes but it is important not to mislead
[04:01] <faxons> :)
[04:01] <epicenter> OK, compiled
[04:01] <epicenter> dpkg -i the deb?
[04:01] <faxons> Azrael: do you know what the full clock speed is?
[04:01] <crimsun> epicenter: yep
[04:02] <Azrael_-> yeah
[04:02] <epicenter> reboot?
[04:02] <crimsun> epicenter: yep
[04:02] <epicenter> brb
[04:03] <faxons> Azrael: so you can compare the current speed with full speed to know if it's throtled
[04:04] <fissy> crimsun, many thanks, you helped me under the name taishakutin earlier
[04:04] <crimsun> fissy: np
[04:04] <elcu> Is there an Linux version of Adblock for the Mozilla browser?
[04:04] <fissy> its all working nicely on my friends computer now, another convert :)
[04:04] <Azrael_-> godlike! cpufreqd works just fine
[04:04] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> elcu, firefox extensions are OS-independent
[04:04] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> elcu, generally
[04:05] <holy_cow> and adblock is one of them
[04:05] <elcu> az[a] zel_ubuntu: not firefox, mozilla
[04:05] <holy_cow> doh!
[04:05] <holy_cow> donno :/ email the author maybe?
[04:05] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ah, oops
[04:05] <Azrael_-> is there a nice program available which shows me the currently used power-sheme and cpu-frequence?
[04:05] <Bazzi> adblock also works for mozilla/seamonkey
[04:06] <SeeRSea> www.freshmeat.net
[04:06] <epicenter> what's next?
[04:06] <epicenter> that command to check version?
[04:06] <epicenter> (I forgot it)
[04:06] <epicenter> cat proc/something/version
[04:06] <cusco> what is that url of ubuntu that tells me what I have to install in order to whath movies in totem?
[04:06] <cusco> I can't open some avi files
[04:06] <goldee> hello
[04:06] <Bazzi> epicenter you mean something like uname -r?
[04:07] <epicenter> version of alsa
[04:07] <elcu> Adblock *is* OS independent
[04:07] <elcu> Sorry guys.
[04:07] <SeeRSea> The URL should be bookmarked as the home page
[04:07] <holy_cow> das ohkay elcu
[04:07] <Cicada> hey all
[04:07] <crimsun> epicenter: well, first check and see if it works.
[04:07] <SeeRSea> Do a google search:  ubuntu avi files or something
[04:07] <Coutsos> hi. has anybody managed to get rhythmbox-applet to run in warty?
[04:08] <crimsun> epicenter: if it doesn't, I'll be very sad, because that means an upstream bug needs to be filed
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Coutsos: yes, it ran by default
[04:08] <Coutsos> thoreauputic how'd you do it?
[04:08] <elcu> on another note, anyone know of a good cpu monitor?  something that shows cpu load, and preferably temperature. (i want something more advanced than the panel applet.)
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Coutsos: you mean the notification area thing?
[04:08] <SeeRSea> elcu:  www.freshmeat.net
[04:09] <epicenter> No sound.
[04:09] <Coutsos> thoreauputic: er, sorta
[04:09] <thoreauputic> system tray, whatever you want to call it...
[04:09] <Coutsos> http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~kuliniew/rhythmbox-applet/
[04:09] <thoreauputic> looks like a pair of notes?
[04:09] <Coutsos> no
[04:09] <thoreauputic> looking
[04:09] <elcu> SeeRSea: Thanks.  I'll check it out.
[04:09] <epicenter> MASTER has no bar in alsamixer now. Only PCM and Center and CD do
[04:09] <Coutsos> that's actually just one note btw
[04:09] <Coutsos> omg, nevermind i'm dumb
[04:10] <Coutsos> (about the "notes" thing... man i hated that music class)
[04:10] <libben> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686-smp root=/dev/hdb3 ro quiet vga=791 splashimage (hd1,2)/boot/grub/images/robin.xpm.gz
[04:10] <libben> why dident this work
[04:10] <faxons> does anyone know of a good site for booting from a USB thumb drive
[04:10] <Azrael_-> is there a nice program available which shows me the currently used power-sheme and cpu-frequence?
[04:10] <elcu> SeeRSea: But I was hoping for personal recommendations. :-)
[04:10] <whiskey_1> epicenter, did you reboot to load the new driver
[04:10] <libben> it said at boot up it would ignore the splashimage (hd1,2)/boot/grub/images/robin.xpm.gz part
[04:10] <epicenter> yes
[04:10] <faxons> I'm looking at building a picture frame
[04:10] <faxons> from an old laptop
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Coutsos: I see - no the applet isn't installed, sorry - and you're right about the note :)
[04:10] <libben> vga=791 worked perfect
[04:10] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, I'll need amixer output again
[04:11] <crimsun> epicenter: and /proc/asound/version should be 1.0.9rc2
[04:11] <thoreauputic> Coutsos: um...no I was right - it's a pair of quavers (eigth notes in US speak)
[04:11] <Coutsos> thoreauputic: i have the applet installed, i think. ./configure, make, sudo make all worked fine. i just can't seem to get it running
[04:12] <libben> thoreauputic, have u played any with grub/splashimages?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> actually semi-quavers...
[04:12] <thoreauputic> libben: no
[04:12] <epicenter> one moment
[04:12] <Coutsos> thoreauputic: canadians can call them eighth notes too...
[04:12] <thoreauputic> libben: oh, the gdm ones, yeah
[04:12] <illmonkey> hello everybody
[04:12] <epicenter> It still says 1.0.8
[04:12] <epicenter> even though I added the new .deb
[04:12] <Azrael_-> is it common for nessusd to take really long for configuring?
[04:12] <libben> thoreauputic, no... grub
[04:13] <libben> gdm part ive covered =)
[04:13] <Azrael_-> its now already over one minute
[04:13] <libben> im running tobaco theme on that
[04:13] <libben> greatest
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Coutsos: actually they are sixteenth notes, I didn't look carefully :)
[04:13] <illmonkey> I would like to know Gnome is too slow?
[04:13] <holy_cow> illmonkey, compared to what?] 
[04:13] <Coutsos> thoreauputic: *smacks head*, yeah you're right
[04:13] <crimsun> epicenter: then you're definitely using the old ones
[04:13] <illmonkey> compared to kde
[04:13] <epicenter> what do you suspect I did wrong?
[04:13] <holy_cow> as far as i can tell, its as fast anything o ut there
[04:13] <crimsun> epicenter: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'snd.ko'
[04:13] <illmonkey> I think gnome have a problem
[04:14] <Cicada> apparently a semi-demi-hemi-quaver is impossible to play even on a percussion instrument
[04:14] <holy_cow> your install is slow?
[04:14] <sig> gnome own3s you
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Coutsos: not that it matters *grin*
[04:14] <sig> Gnome is the only way to go
[04:14] <illmonkey> check this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18197&highlight=minimize
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Cicada: depends on the tempo :)
[04:14] <Coutsos> well, aside from that... does anybody know of a nice alternative to gdesklets?
[04:14] <whiskey_1> sig, heh...gnome needs a working menu editor
[04:14] <illmonkey> my driver are ok
[04:15] <epicenter> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko
[04:15] <epicenter> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/updates/alsa/acore/snd.ko
[04:15] <holy_cow> *shrug* not sure, mine works great
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Cicada: it would be hemi-demi-semi-quaver :)
[04:15] <kdp> illmonkey: that link only pertains to xorg
[04:15] <kdp> and the problem was fixed
[04:15] <LinuxJones> whiskey_1, search the wiki there are a few
[04:15] <sig> whiskey_1: ubuntuguide.org
[04:15] <ygnome> Hi. I have a successful base hoary install on a laptop, and I'm wondering if 1.9Gb is going to be enough for / or if I should go back and repartition before I continue..
[04:15] <illmonkey> have you the same problem? when you move a window cpu drop
[04:15] <rwh> crimsun: I just remembered the function-f4 method on my laptop for setting volume - but when I use it, the laptop now crashes. Possibly something to do with ACPI. Does that sound like it could be related?
[04:15] <elcu> I'd like to install totem-xine rather than totem-gstreamer, but If I mark the gstreamer version for removal, it says it will also remove ubuntu-desktop.  I'm a little scared.  It sounds important.
[04:15] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor  <--- whiskey_1
[04:16] <sig> google is your friend
[04:16] <whiskey_1> sig, which one works...i hope its not like the one i installed today and screwed things up
[04:16] <elcu> Can I safely remove it?
[04:16] <sig> everything is workaroundable
[04:16] <Cicada> thoreauputic: yeah thats what i saiud when told about it, but thought i would make the statement for the sake of conversation
[04:16] <crimsun> rwh: could be, but I don't know enough about laptop buttons.
[04:16] <whiskey_1> sig, the one i installed today will not delete a menu entry
[04:16] <deception_inuk> ygnome: id give it more than that, personally
[04:16] <whiskey_1> sig, and i am stuck with it
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Cicada: it worked for conversation :)
[04:16] <whiskey_1> sig, which one do you know that works
[04:16] <kdp> whiskey_1: hopefully an update will come soon that fixes the problem
[04:16] <ygnome> deception_inuk: what would be a reasonable amount? would 3Gb do it?
[04:17] <sig> whiskey_1: I just pasted you a link
[04:17] <illmonkey> 80% of CPU are required to move or minimize a window
[04:17] <epicenter> crimsun:
[04:17] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[04:17] <epicenter> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko
[04:17] <epicenter> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/updates/alsa/acore/snd.ko
[04:17] <illmonkey> its strange
[04:17] <geoffrian> Howdy
[04:17] <Fackamato> I love Ubuntu.
[04:17] <geoffrian> So THIS is IRC, aye?
[04:17] <crimsun> epicenter: yep
[04:17] <sig> illmonkey: that problem isn't gnome, it is an nvidia issue
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Fackamato, we all do :)
[04:17] <deception_inuk> ygnome: depends what you're going to install afterwards, or what you're going to download
[04:17] <kdp> illmonkey: you still have this problem? when was the last time you updated?
[04:17] <crimsun> epicenter: I was looking at something else.
[04:17] <sig> it isn't gnome's responsibility to keep up with 3rd party drivers
[04:17] <illmonkey> today
[04:17] <whiskey_1> sig, that is the one i installed that screwed everything up
[04:17] <sig> whiskey_1: then you did it wrong I'm sure because mine works flawlessly
[04:17] <illmonkey> i'm on hoary it isn't a nvidia problem
[04:18] <sig> don't know what to tell you bud
[04:18] <rwh> crimsun: um ... but now after a couple of times trying that and rebooting, sound seems to work ... wierd
[04:18] <thoreauputic> geoffrian: no, we set up a close facsimile and you got sucked into it ;)
[04:18] <illmonkey> I've ati card
[04:18] <crimsun> epicenter: this will take some kludging.
[04:18] <sig> illmonkey: yes it is
[04:18] <ygnome> deception_inuk: well, std ubuntu really. I might try xfce later if gnome is too heavy for it.
[04:18] <sig> xfree to xorg
[04:18] <illmonkey> check the site http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18197&highlight=minimize
[04:18] <deception_inuk> ygnome: i personally have 9gb to ubuntu, if you can spare it id leave around 4.5/5gb for ubuntu and 512mb for swap
[04:18] <kdp> sig: no, when you edit sound & video or system tools, it creats another menu
[04:18] <Cicada> or a quarter semitone apparently
[04:18] <rwh> Now I'll leave it alone ... :-)
[04:18] <dcraven> geoffrian, you like?
[04:18] <illmonkey> some guys with ati card have the same problem
[04:18] <kdp> which is not deleteable
[04:18] <crimsun> epicenter: remove everything in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/  _except_ for soundcore.ko
[04:18] <epicenter> should I just do it all over again? :P
[04:18] <sig> I'm using an ATI card
[04:18] <whiskey_1> sig, so how do you delete a menu entry in the wrong place
[04:18] <sig> Screen: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M Screen Resolution: 1024x768 (24 bpp)
[04:18] <ygnome> deception_inuk: it's a 500mhz/320Mb compaq
[04:19] <crimsun> epicenter: don't delete soundcore.ko. That would be bad.
[04:19] <Fackamato> What's the difference between "Mark for removal" and "Mark for complete removal" in Synaptic?
[04:19] <illmonkey> sig, have your problem?
[04:19] <thoreauputic> Cicada: a quarter semitone would require a fine ear for pitch :)
[04:19] <sig> illmonkey: ?
[04:19] <deception_inuk> ygnome: i see =) well yes, 3gigs should do you fine then
[04:19] <whiskey_1> sig, i can't figure it out for nothing
[04:19] <epicenter> rimsun: ok
[04:19] <epicenter> crimsun: ok
[04:19] <sig> whiskey_1: hmm
[04:19] <crimsun> Fackamato: the difference between apt-get remove and apt-get --purge remove
[04:19] <illmonkey> sig: with slowly of gnome
[04:19] <crimsun> Fackamato: in other words, the latter also removes unmodified conffiles
[04:19] <Fackamato> ah
[04:19] <whiskey_1> sig, i tried sudo..still won't delete
[04:19] <Fackamato> thanks crimsun
[04:20] <sig> illmonkey: no
[04:20] <sig> whiskey_1: odd
[04:20] <whiskey_1> sig, i tried su but root does not have the extra menu entry
[04:20] <sig> have you tried in #gnome ?
[04:20] <sig> and asked?
[04:20] <illmonkey> how ca i resolved my problem?
[04:20] <kdp> whiskey_1: this is a bug in the program, the guy said itll be fixe din .5
[04:20] <crimsun> epicenter: and then you'll need to reboot for the module dependencies to be resolved on boot
[04:20] <ygnome> deception_inuk: thks, I'll rerun the base install and repart it all. I might be able to get 4Gb / and 512 swap...
[04:20] <illmonkey> #gnome?
[04:20] <epicenter> ok, rebooting.
[04:20] <whiskey_1> kdp, yes ok...i just have to live with that erroneous menu entry
[04:20] <illmonkey> sig: #gnome?
[04:20] <kdp> whiskey_1: as well as me
[04:20] <Azrael_-> whenever i try to install "gnome-cpufreq-applet" it tells me, it first has to remove: gnome-applets gnome-applets-data and ubuntu-desktop   isnt this bad? isnt there an alternative program?
[04:20] <deception_inuk> ygnome: no problem, good luck :)
[04:21] <sig> channel illmonkey
[04:21] <sig>  /j #gnome
[04:21] <illmonkey> ok
[04:21] <illmonkey> you never heard about this problem?
[04:21] <ygnome> deception_inuk: thanks. the HD install instructions work a treat btw.
[04:21] <sig> no
[04:22] <illmonkey> arf .. :( how can i resolve it
[04:22] <sig> illmonkey: have you tried the forums?
[04:22] <illmonkey> yes
[04:22] <illmonkey> but lot talk about this problem
[04:23] <illmonkey> and there is no solution
[04:23] <sig> so when you edit a menu it adds another and you can't remove them?
[04:23] <compmanio36> is shipit going to automagically send out Hoary CDs if you are already registered, or do you have to go and do something to get them?  I just got my Warty CDs like, a month ago..........LOL
[04:23] <deception_inuk> ygnome: good good =) you wanna PM me your email and then ill give you mine, keep in touch about how it goes?
[04:23] <kdp> sig: only in sound & video and system tools
[04:24] <epicenter> OK.
[04:24] <sig> kdp: odd
[04:24] <sig> let me try to edit mine
[04:24] <illmonkey> how can i know if dma is enable?
[04:24] <libben> check it with hdparm
[04:24] <thoreauputic> compmanio36: I went again and reordered - I don't know if that was The Right Thing (tm)
[04:24] <crimsun> illmonkey: hdparm -d /dev/hdX
[04:24] <sig> kdp: did you mess with configuration editor?
[04:24] <libben> sudo hdparm /dev/hdx
[04:24] <kdp> sig: just changed an icon in those menus
[04:25] <kdp> the developer said hed fix it in the next release
[04:25] <kdp> so im just waiting til then
[04:25] <compmanio36> eh, probably a good idea.......now I have 50 Warty CDs to do something with :D
[04:25] <epicenter> crimsun: All rebooted'ed'ed'ed.
[04:25] <crimsun> epicenter: 1.0.9rc2 loaded?
[04:25] <thoreauputic> compmanio36: hand them out in the local shops :)
[04:25] <epicenter> let's find out
[04:26] <illmonkey> thank yous crismsum
[04:26] <crimsun> illmonkey: np
[04:26] <epicenter> cat proc/asound/version?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> compmanio36: not to shopkeepers, of course :)
[04:26] <illmonkey> dma is enable
[04:26] <crimsun> epicenter: cat /proc/asound/version
[04:26] <whiskey_1> Azrael_-, i would think twice before installing that
[04:26] <epicenter> 1.0.8
[04:26] <epicenter> arrrrghhhh
[04:26] <compmanio36> thoreauputic: I live by Microsoft.......think I should take a drive up to Redmond and scatter them on Billy's lawn?  :P
[04:26] <epicenter> can I download a .deb of 1.0.9rc2 somewhere? :P
[04:27] <whiskey_1> crimsun, i think i know what the problem is here
[04:27] <crimsun> epicenter: did you install the correct deb?
[04:28] <thoreauputic> compmanio36: heheh - good idea :) Or send them to Ballmer and Gates with a suggestion to upgrade their OS since Longhorn is clearly vapourware ;)
[04:28] <epicenter> crimsun, I think so
[04:28] <crimsun> epicenter: and first of all, did you compile _in the correct directory_?
[04:28] <epicenter> I compiled in /usr/src/
[04:28] <epicenter> like you said
[04:28] <libben> btw, earlier when i booted debian 2.4 and 2.6 i got a tux penguin in the right corner while booting up.. it looked nice and had good colors..
[04:28] <libben> why isnt this on in ubuntu?
[04:28] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> what a cool feature, "download all attachments" on gmail, zips up the attachments and sends it to you, heh
[04:28] <crimsun> libben: it's being developed.
[04:29] <epicenter> maybe we should just go through this one more time from scratch?
[04:29] <compmanio36> I could have a beta of Longhorn on my machine right now, but I wouldn't touch that crap with a 10 foot pole
[04:29] <crimsun> libben: unless you're referring to the graphical framebuffer
[04:29] <epicenter> and if it doesn't work, I'll ditch it and get a PCI soundblaster :P
[04:29] <thoreauputic> oh no, not the boot-up Penguin!
[04:29] <kdp> doesnt it require 1GB memory to work right?
[04:29] <jesuel> thoreauputic, Thats quite funny :)
[04:29] <whiskey_1> epicenter, that is funny
[04:29] <epicenter> It's just sad from here ;P
[04:29] <libben> i mean the penguin icon while ur booting up services... like hotplugging and networking bla bla... before the gdm comes up... or the text console... i could see that little fancy tux =)
[04:30] <crimsun> epicenter: make sure you compile in /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2
[04:30] <libben> crimsun, is it still being developed
[04:30] <crimsun> epicenter: heh, you think it's sad? Imagine my position.
[04:30] <epicenter> :P
[04:30] <jesuel> I think a better idea is to take a crate of ubuntu cd's to the ms distro center and slip them into the boxes of windows xp going out ;p
[04:30] <ryman> what codec do I need to play .avi files ?
[04:30] <ryman> totem can play the files but there is no sound
[04:30] <crimsun> libben: I was referring to usplash, not the framebuffer mode
[04:30] <epicenter> what was the command to compile again?
[04:30] <epicenter> (Sorry, I do not save IRC Logs)
[04:30] <epicenter> I am in that dir now
[04:30] <libben> aah =)
[04:31] <jesuel> compile what epi
[04:31] <crimsun> I need a break.
[04:31] <crimsun> ;p
[04:31] <epicenter> ALSA.
[04:31] <compmanio36> anyone use Privoxy?
[04:31] <libben> crimsun, u know anything on grub images? i am stucked on it... allthough i have vga=791 working good... but i want that grub image also
[04:31] <thoreauputic> jesuel: heheh - with a copy of the GPL as EULA , insisting that opening the package implies acceptance of the terms of the licence :)
[04:31] <jesuel> compmanio36, me
[04:31] <ryman> I dont have any sound in totem but I have sound in anything else
[04:31] <jesuel> lol yeah thoreauputic
[04:31] <crimsun> epicenter: ./debian/rules binary_modules KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:31] <compmanio36> still trying to figure out how to configure it
[04:32] <epicenter> Compiling.
[04:32] <jesuel> compmanio36, It was pretty easy for me to do. And im a noob ! :p
[04:32] <crimsun> libben: sorry, I use a very plain grub menu
[04:32] <crimsun> compmanio36: I do.
[04:32] <epicenter> I didn't make clean earlier
[04:32] <epicenter> I did that this time
[04:32] <crimsun> compmanio36: it was as simple as apt-getting it
[04:32] <jesuel> pvivoxy is a good tool
[04:32] <compmanio36> well, it WORKS, but I am now trying to do things, like use the user actions and filters
[04:32] <libben> me looking for someone that made a grub image working
[04:32] <Xgates> say on the install doesnt it ask to create a root password?
[04:32] <crimsun> compmanio36: if you use it with tor, there's one line you have to add
[04:32] <compmanio36> I use Tor and Privoxy
[04:33] <jesuel> tor?
[04:33] <compmanio36> to have it forward to port 9500
[04:33] <jesuel> what ia tor?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Xgates: no - no default root password - use sudo with your user pass
[04:33] <compmanio36> an onion-router based anonymous proxy bouncer
[04:33] <RastaMahata> arg! esd sucks, and alsa wont run more than one sound! :@
[04:33] <crimsun> jesuel: tor.eff.org
[04:33] <Xgates> thoreauputic, ok thanks
[04:33] <crimsun> RastaMahata: use dmix. alsa.opensrc.org/, look at AlsaSharing
[04:34] <crimsun> I'll be back in 10 minutes if you have dmix questions
[04:34] <kelk1> So I think I found out why Gnome does not start from the live CD on my desktop
[04:34] <difekta> I CAN'T ACCess TOR from work.
[04:34] <andrewski> X has been freezing for me for the last few weeks; is it possible to downgrade to an older version?
[04:34] <compmanio36> you use Tor with Privoxy and it does a darn good job of anonymizing you on the net
[04:34] <jesuel> oh
[04:34] <RastaMahata> crimsun, ok
[04:34] <Xgates> also on the install when setting up the pkgs it said the fontconfig or something to do with the fonts config failed, and it said that some of the pkgs failed
[04:34] <andrewski> sorry, i mean with nvidia. :P
[04:34] <dphase> andrewski, you using nvidia?
[04:34] <Xgates> so whats with this a bug on the install og 5.04?
[04:34] <andrewski> dphase: yeah.
[04:34] <Xgates> og/of ....
[04:34] <dphase> common problem :(
[04:34] <compmanio36> if I had a network at home I would put Privoxy on the server, it looks like something you would have on your gateway to the outside world
[04:34] <difekta> the TOR web site is dope.
[04:34] <kelk1> I think the problem comes from the onboard sound card and/or the fact that I have an additional PCI card
[04:34] <andrewski> dphase: yes, why'd they keep the later version for hoary?
[04:34] <dphase> dunno
[04:35] <jesuel> I see
[04:35] <jesuel> *shrug* no need to be anonymous
[04:35] <whiskey_1> all these people running two sound cards...incredible
[04:35] <jesuel> at least for me.
[04:35] <whiskey_1> what for?
[04:35] <andrewski> would the warty version of nvidia be usable?
[04:35] <compmanio36> all you do is install TOR and Privoxy, point your browsers and stuff to 127.0.0.1:8118
[04:36] <kelk1> If I stop alsa gdm, everything, remove the module for the onboard sound and restart gdm, gnome starts. I am writing this message from it.
[04:36] <Fackamato> Is anyone else having problems with high xorg cpu usage?
[04:36] <Fackamato> Using gnome?
[04:36] <compmanio36> goes to Privoxy which filters the requests for ads, popups, etc, then forwards it to Tor, port 9550, which forwards it to the proxy you are connected to
[04:36] <epicenter> rebooting
[04:36] <kangpeh> Anyone know which icon is used (name/etc.) for the "Menu" in Gnome Panel (not Custom Menu)? [I want to replace the foot...] 
[04:36] <andrewski> Fackamato: freezing?
[04:36] <jesuel> compmanio36, how ya forward?
[04:36] <Fackamato> andrewski:
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[04:36] <whiskey_1> kelk1, you are about the 5th person today with two sounds....why are you people doing this?
[04:36] <kelk1> whiskey_1, I fried the onboard with my bass amp
[04:36] <compmanio36> how do you forward?
[04:36] <jesuel> yeah
[04:36] <jesuel> the privoxy connect
[04:37] <kelk1> So I bought an Audigy
[04:37] <compmanio36> uh, hmm.......
[04:37] <jesuel> I might try it :)
[04:37] <rOss^32> Linux: Linus Drops Bitkeeper <-- linux is done for
[04:37] <whiskey_1> kelk1, oh..well then just disable it and get it out of the way
[04:37] <rOss^32> damn wrong window .. it was joke thou
[04:37] <compmanio36> sure it is something to do with the config files and your NAT, how you point it
[04:37] <yyc747> now that 5.04 is released, I want to try ubuntu.  I'm installing on a system with limited resources, so which should I choose: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:37] <Xgates> thoreauputic, I thought it would be run then as --> sudo -u username
[04:37] <Xgates> but thats not doing anything
[04:37] <Xgates> hmm
[04:37] <compmanio36> you can have privoxy listen to any port, any IP
[04:37] <andrewski> Fackamato: which vid card?
[04:37] <compmanio36> block other IPs, ports
[04:38] <jesuel> right
[04:38] <jesuel> I understand that
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Xgates: sudo <command>
[04:38] <compmanio36> then forward to any port and IP
[04:38] <compmanio36> or multiple ports and IPs
[04:38] <compmanio36> just lines in your config file
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Xgates: sudo -s to get a root shell (or sudo su)
[04:38] <jesuel> Think ill go study that ;p
[04:39] <compmanio36> they have good instructions and manuals on the privoxy website
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Xgates: it will ask for your user password
[04:39] <compmanio36> privoxy.org I think
[04:39] <Fackamato> andrewski: GeForce 3 Ti200
[04:39] <Fackamato> Using nvidia's 71.74 binary drivers.
[04:39] <compmanio36> nice thing is that you simply type in config.privoxy.org to edit your config, like a router
[04:39] <andrewski> Fackamato: from ubuntu?
[04:39] <Fackamato> I've got no composite or transparency stuff on
[04:39] <Fackamato> andrewski: yes
[04:39] <kelk1> Pretty impressive what can be squeezed on one CD. The only thing I would miss would be a compiler
[04:39] <Fackamato> I've tried from the nvdiia site to, same result
[04:40] <andrewski> Fackamato: hmm, dunno, sorry.
[04:40] <thoreauputic> kelk1: build-essential (it's on the CD)
[04:40] <kelk1> thoreauputic, on the live CD?
[04:40] <Xgates> thoreauputic, I just did sudo su
[04:40] <Xgates> that just switched it
[04:40] <Fackamato> andrewski: okay, thanks for your time
[04:40] <Xgates> brb
[04:41] <Xgates> thanks
[04:41] <andrewski> Fackamato: you're welcome.  at least yours isn't freezing like mine. :P
[04:41] <westyvw> any better sites then the wiki for an explanation  for dual boot install? why is that damn partitioner so confusing....
[04:41] <thoreauputic> kelk1: ah, sorry - thought you meant the install CD
[04:41] <Fackamato> andrewski: :p
[04:41] <epicenter> How awkard. I compiled where you said and like you said and it made a .deb called:
[04:41] <epicenter> alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[04:41] <epicenter> 1.0.8?!!!
[04:41] <Edgan> westyvw: post install configuration of grub, or install order and such?
[04:41] <epicenter> compiling from alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2.tar.bz2's source?!
[04:42] <yyc747> now that 5.04 is released, I want to try ubuntu.  I'm installing on a system with limited resources, so which will be faster: gnome or kde?
[04:42] <cusco> what do I need to install mplayer? I have the marilatt repository
[04:42] <cusco> altho:
[04:42] <epicenter> yyc747: gnome by far.
[04:42] <cusco> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:42] <cusco>   mplayer-586: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:42] <kelk1> thoreauputic, no I am playing with the live CD. That could prove a very handy tool, and I want to show it to some people what linux looks like.
[04:42] <cusco>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[04:42] <westyvw> edgan: yeah, i am looking at the partitioner and its a bit confusing, i also am unsure of what to set the boot to
[04:42] <libben> can someone explain to me why i wont see all programs in menu-editor?
[04:42] <LinuxJones> On an offtopic question : Is anybody watching the Ultimate Fighter Finale ??
[04:42] <andrewski> yyc747: xfce >:-D
[04:42] <compmanio36> I read about this script you can get after you install Hoary that will install everything you need to make all the missing bits work
[04:42] <Edgan> cusco: don't try to use marilatt unstable, and mplayer is in multiverse
[04:42] <cusco> oh
[04:42] <epicenter> it depends how Limited "limited" is
[04:42] <westyvw> i used qtpardted to get things set up first, that helped
[04:43] <libben> i just installed a program.. and it popped up in Applications/System tools/programname...
[04:43] <libben> but i cant see it with menueditor
[04:43] <Edgan> cusco: The problem with mplayer that comes up quickly is mplayer doesn't play with esd running
[04:43] <libben> restart x maybe... hmm
[04:43] <compmanio36> apt-get everything then install it so you will have DVD playback, MP3 playback, etc
[04:43] <Edgan> cusco: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:43] <cusco> Edgan: I was reading that
[04:43] <cusco> I dunnow what esd is
[04:43] <westyvw> esd = sound server
[04:43] <cusco> my totem doesn't start
[04:43] <cusco> under gnome
[04:44] <epicenter> .. horrible sound server clearly
[04:44] <westyvw> it needs to know when to let go of the card
[04:44] <Edgan> cusco: gnome sound mixer daemon
[04:44] <epicenter> it seems to break everything it touches
[04:44] <whiskey_1> cusco, vorbis is only a part of ogg
[04:44] <cusco> I don't know ehy... it starts under xfce tho
[04:44] <whiskey_1> ogg contains the metadata as well as the encoder
[04:44] <Edgan> epicenter: It is for people silly enought o use onboard sound or cheap sound cards
[04:44] <epicenter> I've never seen it work properly ever
[04:44] <westyvw> has nothing to do with it
[04:44] <epicenter> it just stops playback in anything until it's killed :P
[04:45] <epicenter> and I fail to see why getting an expensive ripoff sound card would make ESD work better
[04:45] <Edgan> epicenter: I have, but using a card with hardware mixing is so much nicer
[04:45] <cusco> Edgan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[04:45] <zombi> hi everybody
[04:45] <epicenter> I find onboard Ac97 audio is as nice as any $200 card.
[04:45] <Xgates> are the Nvidia drivers in apt-get are you install them from Nvidia.com?
[04:45] <Edgan> cusco:  404 Not Found
[04:45] <cef> epicenter: no other way round. for cheap cards, esd is about all you can do
[04:45] <epicenter> You just don't get 50 input jacks
[04:46] <cef> epicenter: newer, better sound cards let more than one app talk to the card at once
[04:46] <cusco> Edgan: the link on restricted formats, how to install multiverse redirects me to 404 utrl not found
[04:46] <epicenter> ah.
[04:46] <epicenter> crimsun: Any idea why compiling from the 1.0.9rc2 dir would make a 1.0.8 deb?
[04:46] <Edgan> epicenter: I have yet to see an onboard card that does hardware mixing. I did hear of a board with onboard SB, but then it was the worst chipset of SB I have seen
[04:46] <rOss^32> i find with all the onboard card you cant control the bass and treble .. unless its a Nforce board. nvmixer
[04:46] <cef> epicenter: which means that esd causes no issues. with cheaper cards, you need to tell all your sound based apps to talk to esd
[04:46] <rOss^32> i like my cheap SB Live Value 5.1
[04:47] <cef> the SB Live may seem a cheap card, but compared to some of the crap out there, it's not
[04:47] <Edgan> cusco: you add multiverse after universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:47] <rOss^32> i paid 29CDN for my card..
[04:47] <Edgan> cef: I am talking about the crap that is SB Live! 24bit 7.1. It doesn't use the emu10k1 driver and it's driver is still in development.
[04:48] <Edgan> cef: I love my Live! 5.1 and Audigy Value.
[04:48] <rOss^32> ouch ..  yeah emu10k1 is a must
[04:48] <cusco> Edgan: but I dunno the link
[04:48] <epicenter> I am baffled by how I can COMPILE version 1.0.9 of something and GET 1.0.8
[04:48] <epicenter> that makes no sense
[04:48] <elysecutie91> hello
[04:48] <cef> epicenter: which once again means that because all the apps talk to esd, and esd is the only app talking to the card, then "technically" multiple apps can talk to the card
[04:48] <cusco> is it just like universe? just chages to multiverse?
[04:48] <epicenter> ..
[04:49] <epicenter> ...... yeeeeeah.
[04:49] <compmanio36> lol
[04:49] <cef> epicenter: someone missed a version number change somewhere
[04:49] <Edgan> epicenter: maybe 1.0.9 still thinks of itself as 1.0.8. Programmers don't always bump versions. Or if you are using packaging, you didn't bump the version info in the package specification
[04:49] <cef> Edgan: yeah.. SB Live 7.1 is just a pain in the ass
[04:50] <epicenter> I dunno .. I'm recompiling ALSA 1.0.9rc2 as he said .. with a long commandline in the source dire
[04:50] <Edgan> cef: dmixer is a better solution than esd/artsd
[04:50] <epicenter> root@vortexqueen:/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2# ./debian/rules binary_modules KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:50] <epicenter> ... and I get 1.0.8
[04:50] <cef> Edgan: yeah, but it's a matter of getting the gnome people using it
[04:50] <epicenter> the .deb is named 1.0.8 and /proc/asound/version after installation says 1.0.8
[04:50] <Edgan> cef: is that required, or just getting the distro's to configure it out of the box
[04:50] <epicenter> and the problem 1.0.9rc2 is supposed to fix doesn't fix it
[04:51] <whiskey_1> epicenter, hey its not the first time
[04:51] <cef> Edgan: well either really.. but since many of the gnome guys are working on ubuntu.. it makes sense
[04:51] <compmanio36> i had a look at kubuntu, looked very clean for KDE
[04:51] <thoreauputic> epicenter: the tarball clearly said 1.0.9rc2 I assume?
[04:51] <epicenter> epicenter: I wish I didn't have to worry about it though when developers accidnetially do weird shit :P
[04:51] <epicenter> thoreauputic: yes
[04:51] <whiskey_1> epicenter, apparently that nvidia sound chip is just flaky hardware that they have trouble writing a decent driver for.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> epicenter: hmmm :/
[04:51] <epicenter> alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2.tar.bz2
[04:52] <epicenter> ac97 has worked for ages, it's a software sound device running on the CPU basically
[04:52] <thoreauputic> epicenter: sure looks like it....
[04:52] <cef> Edgan: if ubuntu adopted dmixer for both gnome/kde it'd be great imho.. one less app on either side to maintain
[04:52] <Edgan> soft-sound, bleh
[04:52] <epicenter> so how they managed to up and break it for no reason is beyond me
[04:52] <Edgan> cef: nod
[04:53] <whiskey_1> epicenter, does your video capture card have sound input jacks
[04:53] <epicenter> yes
[04:53] <epicenter> should I just remove the fucking thing?
[04:53] <epicenter> I keep getting told NO! NO! NO!
[04:53] <whiskey_1> epicenter, why don't you just disable the mobo sound chip and get your sound system from your capture card
[04:53] <epicenter> I don't think that'll go too hot
[04:53] <epicenter> it has no sound output :P
[04:54] <whiskey_1> epicenter, oh..that is trouble
[04:54] <cef> epicenter: ahh you're trying to fix sound with 2 sound devices?
[04:54] <epicenter> pretty much
[04:54] <Azrael_-> whenever i try to install "gnome-cpufreq-applet" it tells me, it first has to remove: gnome-applets gnome-applets-data and ubuntu-desktop   isnt this bad? isnt there an alternative program?
[04:54] <epicenter> it was never a sound device before today :P
[04:54] <epicenter> when ubuntu decided it was
[04:54] <Cicada> hi all I am trying to add the Java Runtimes to Hoary as per http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java?=return+to+page&currentRevision=4   ...   what exactly should I add to my sources list through synaptic
[04:54] <cef> epicenter: just add the device you want to be the first device to /etc/modules
[04:54] <epicenter> I never use it for sound input, I always patch it to Line in
[04:54] <sal002> Is there an easy way to configure which kernel modules are loaded?
[04:54] <Edgan> Azrael_-: I think that applet go replaced
[04:54] <Azrael_-> ?
[04:55] <sal002> I need all the firewall ones, plus TUN
[04:55] <epicenter> cef: with what syntax?
[04:55] <Edgan> Azrael_-: 2.8 has a new applet to replace that applet, I think
[04:55] <cef> epicenter: well what is your other sound device?
[04:55] <Edgan> Azrael_-: I mean 2.10
[04:55] <epicenter> there's an nvidia chip and a bt787
[04:55] <epicenter> only:
[04:55] <epicenter> ide-cd
[04:55] <epicenter> ide-disk
[04:55] <epicenter> ide-generic
[04:55] <epicenter> lp
[04:55] <epicenter> mousedev
[04:55] <Azrael_-> what do you mean with 2.10?
[04:55] <epicenter> psmouse
[04:55] <epicenter> are here
[04:55] <cef> epicenter: find the module for the nvidia chip, and put it at the start of /etc/modules
[04:56] <Edgan> Azrael_-: Gnome 2.10 in Ubuntu 5.04
[04:56] <Azrael_-> ah
[04:56] <epicenter> it's intel ix 10 something ..
[04:56] <Azrael_-> and how do i find the new one?
[04:56] <epicenter> can't remember exactly
[04:56] <cef> epicenter: anything found in /etc/modules is loaded BEFORE auto-detected stuff. if it's already loaded, it won't be loaded again
[04:56] <Edgan> Azrael_-: try right click on panel, add to panel, and look through the list
[04:56] <epicenter> I wish I remembered its exact name
[04:56] <Azrael_-> k
[04:57] <cef> epicenter: and because the module is loaded in /etc/modules, before the bt driver, it will be the first sound device
[04:57] <epicenter> lspci calls it:
[04:57] <epicenter> 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1)
[04:57] <epicenter> But I don't remember its module name
[04:57] <epicenter> intel something ..
[04:57] <Edgan> intel8x0?
[04:57] <cef> epicenter: 'lsmod|grep i8'
[04:57] <epicenter> that's it
[04:57] <cef> well there ya go
[04:57] <epicenter> nothing came out of lsmod
[04:57] <epicenter> with grep i8
[04:57] <Cicada> hi all I am trying to add the Java Runtimes to Hoary as per http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java?=return+to+page&currentRevision=4   ...   what exactly should I add to my sources list through synaptic
[04:58] <epicenter> trying this out,.
[04:58] <kelk1> snd-intel8x0
[04:58] <cef> well 'lsmod|grep 8x'
[04:58] <Antioch> Anyone know how to get mpg123 working with xmms/bmp?
[05:00] <cef> lo darmou
[05:01] <cusco> actually Edgan I don't really understand anything of it... but I can open totem now... altho I have no sound
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Antioch: in brief, select it in the preferences/plugins configuration
[05:01] <cusco> I just have some avi files that I would like to whatch
[05:01] <Edgan> cusco: preferences | Sound | Uncheck sound server
[05:02] <Antioch> thoreauputic I have it selected, but it still freezes
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Antioch: but I'm using warty so I don't know if it works that way in hoary
[05:02] <Antioch> it meaning bmp
[05:02] <Bicchi> how can i view a list of all the partitions installed
[05:02] <Azrael_-> ive just added the thingy for the weather. How do i enable the ewather-prediction again?
[05:02] <Edgan> cusco: then Run | killall -9 esd
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Antioch: I find bmp freezes quite often here, too :(
[05:02] <Antioch> xmms freezes as well...
[05:03] <Antioch> they behave the same as they did before I installed mpg123
[05:03] <Antioch> when I press play, they froze
[05:03] <epicenter> STILL FUCKING BROKEN!
[05:03] <epicenter> Should I just downgrade to Warty? Is everything screwed up in that too?! :P
[05:03] <Fackamato> hoary works flawless
[05:03] <epicenter> or should I just go back to Debian?
[05:03] <epicenter> All this EASE OF USE is making it HARDER TO USE
[05:03] <Fackamato> stop shouting.
[05:03] <epicenter> nv doesn't work! in debian it did
[05:03] <cef> epicenter: are you sure you added the right driver? did you add the alsa driver or the oss one?
[05:03] <epicenter> sound doesn't work, in debian it did
[05:04] <Fackamato> nv?
[05:04] <cusco> Edgan: ok.. it worked... is that a disavatage in any other case?
[05:04] <epicenter> nv, the nvidia x driver
[05:04] <Edgan> Fackamato: Depends on your hardware. I tried Hoary on my junk box eariler and ran into various problems related to certain hardware.
[05:04] <Fackamato> nv is not nvidia's x driver
[05:04] <cusco> am I gona be lacking that sound server
[05:04] <epicenter> cef: I added intel8x0
[05:04] <darmou> hi cef
[05:04] <Fackamato> it's a driver for nvidia cards
[05:04] <Edgan> cusco: what sound card do you have
[05:04] <epicenter> I know, but it worked fine in Debian
[05:04] <epicenter> I compiled nvidia later, but nv worked for 2d
[05:04] <Fackamato> Edgan: that's more of a kernel problem than a ubuntu problem if it's hardware imo
[05:04] <epicenter> I got Unbuntu as it's easy to setup and saves me a lot of hassle but this is harder than Debian was
[05:04] <xMaximex> epicenter, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:04] <Edgan> Fackamato: no, it was more like video driver, crappy onboard sound, etc
[05:04] <epicenter> that's not my concern right now
[05:05] <epicenter> I'm more worried about my total lack of sound
[05:05] <epicenter> AC97 was never broken in Debian when I compiled a kernel. can I do that now and cut ALSA and OSS which seem perpetually faulty, out of the loop?
[05:05] <xMaximex> epicenter, why dont you go back to debian if ubuntu is soooooo screwed up ?
[05:05] <cef> epicenter: I think that's an oss driver. try 'snd-intel8x0'
[05:05] <epicenter> because I know it isn't SUPPOSED to be like this
[05:05] <Edgan> epicenter: you can't cutt alsa and oss out, they are required
[05:05] <Fackamato> Edgan: I don't see how that is NOT kernel related
[05:06] <epicenter> I never used them in Debian....
[05:06] <epicenter> I just compiled in a driver and sound worked
[05:06] <cusco> Edgan: I don't quite remember.. its a laptop
[05:06] <SiRrUs> good evening
[05:06] <epicenter> cef: what am I editing again? :P
[05:06] <epicenter> I can barely think anymore.
[05:06] <cef> epicenter: /etc/modules
[05:07] <epicenter> rebooting again :(
[05:07] <cef> epicenter: snd-intel8x0 is the alsa version of the driver
[05:07] <epicenter> this seems hopeless. My volume applet is even gone now
[05:07] <epicenter> It just killed itself
[05:07] <epicenter> my whole sound subsystem is probably entirely shot now
[05:07] <Edgan> Fackamato: The video driver is an Xorg issue. The crappy onboard sound is a hardware limiation. With mplayer/totem I couldn't use xv or I would get a green screen instead of video. I also couldn't do 1600x1200 even though I should have been able to. The sound issue with mplayer was that it wouldn't bring up a video window unless I killed esd, because esd was holding the sound device open. With a good sound card with hardware mixing I wouldn't have had to worry
[05:07] <Edgan>  about esd.
[05:07] <cef> epicenter: well you jumped well before I'd finished talking to you
[05:07] <Xgates> well good ole 5.04 install has some issues with not configuring some fonts on install and it fails
[05:07] <crimsun> epicenter: the deb is named 1.0.8 because that's what is generated from the changelog
[05:08] <crimsun> epicenter: the actual version from the _source_ is different
[05:08] <Xgates> I cant do apt-get it says a font isnt configured, how can I go about fixing this
[05:08] <epicenter> and /proc/asound/version should still report 1.0.8?
[05:08] <crimsun> epicenter: no, _that_ would report 1.0.9rc2
[05:08] <Xgates> trying to remeber the ole debian days of doing this and cant remember
[05:08] <epicenter> it doens't :(
[05:08] <epicenter> *doesn't
[05:08] <Fackamato> Edgan: mplayer can use esd iirc
[05:09] <crimsun> epicenter: like this:
[05:09] <crimsun> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc2.
[05:09] <crimsun> Compiled on Mar 27 2005 for kernel 2.6.10-5-686-smp (SMP).
[05:09] <Fackamato> what video card was that?
[05:09] <Edgan> hehe, yeah, it probably doesn't, it is just either very outdated, or fairly up to date with no security updates in time
[05:09] <epicenter> mine religiously reads 1.0.8
[05:09] <Edgan> Fackamato: It isn't configured to out of the box
[05:09] <Fackamato> bah, you out-of-the-box people ;-)
[05:09] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, I'll walk through this (again) with you. Give me a sec to pull source.
[05:09] <epicenter> thanks. Sorry for how upset I'm getting.....
[05:09] <Xgates> anyone else install 5.04 and have some fonts not get configured on the install/setup?
[05:10] <epicenter> I'm just appalled by how hard this is when Ac97 was perfect in Debian
[05:10] <epicenter> I mean, this is supposed to be easier :(
[05:10] <epicenter> It was a cinch installing ubuntu on my laptop. Though I don't know if sound worked there because my speakers are shot and I can't use headphones on it for some reason
[05:10] <cef> epicenter: actually ac97 is horrible in debian.. been there, done that
[05:10] <Edgan> Fackamato: To a certain extent things should just work. The mplayer issues was a state where mplayer didn't work nearly well enough out of the box
[05:11] <epicenter> cef: It always worked well for me.
[05:11] <cef> epicenter: possibly what you're used to is using your own compiled kernels with ONLY your hardware supported
[05:11] <epicenter> I had to compile my chipset and ac97 and I could run with it right away
[05:11] <epicenter> I never used OSS or ALSA module sets.
[05:11] <Xgates> can someone please tell me how to fix fonts that where not configured, what the command is to fix this?
[05:11] <Xgates> apt?
[05:11] <epicenter> They just got in the way and never worked
[05:11] <Dreamer3> what's the easiest way to do video with someone running windows XP?  we're trying netmeeting, but we keep connecting for 30 seconds, no communication then it gets disconnected... i'm using gnomemeeting... is there something easier? i mean some other software they could get, since i think my end it working?
[05:11] <cef> epicenter: whereas in debian, if you install a default kernel, this still happens
[05:12] <epicenter> could I just compile a new kernel now and spare myself a lot of pain?
[05:12] <ygnome> Dreamer3: knoppix...
[05:12] <cef> epicenter: so basically what's happened is that you've side-stepped the issue by compiling your own kernels
[05:12] <alterim> hey all
[05:12] <Xgates> someone needs to tell the DEV TEAM that the 5.04 install is messed up
[05:12] <jesuel> how's it messed up?
[05:12] <Dreamer3> ygnome: i'm using gnomemeeting, it works... it's her end that's causing problems... someone else with gnomemeeting can connect to me just fine
[05:12] <crimsun> Xgates: um...
[05:12] <jesuel> 5.04 works fine for me
[05:12] <cef> epicenter: perhaps, but you wouldn't solve the problem, you'd just delay it
[05:12] <alterim> anyone help me sort out xvid on ubuntu?
[05:12] <epicenter> My sound is hosed but the installer isn't
[05:12] <alterim> i have tried everything
[05:12] <Xgates> it didnt configure some fonts for me
[05:13] <Antioch> 504 works fine, except NO mp3 =(
[05:13] <epicenter> cef: Delay it?
[05:13] <alterim> but i just can't watch xvids!
[05:13] <Xgates> not I cant run apt-get
[05:13] <crimsun> epicenter: ok. remove everything in /usr/src/modules
[05:13] <epicenter> Without anyone actively developing the drivers I am using it should be unbreakable really
[05:13] <jesuel> shrug, getting mp3 to work with hoary is quite simple
[05:13] <crimsun> epicenter: actually your ac97 mixer has been broken for a very long time
[05:13] <cef> epicenter: the kernel changes. you compile a new kernel, you get new features
[05:13] <epicenter> crimsun: removed.
[05:13] <crimsun> epicenter: it was only recently fixed (feb 2005)
[05:13] <Xgates> now when I go to do apt-get install it says that font ---> ttf-baekemu I think thats how its spelled is not configured
[05:13] <epicenter> It worked OK in 2.4.25.
[05:13] <alterim> anyone help me with xvid?
[05:13] <ygnome> Dreamer3: yea, I was suggesting the other end try knoppix or gnoppix to see if it works without that windows virus involved.
[05:14] <epicenter> I hadn't touched 2.6.x yet
[05:14] <crimsun> epicenter: in alsa?
[05:14] <Edgan> jesuel: not if you want it in xmms. The semi-offical way is rythmbox/amatok
[05:14] <epicenter> I compiled it without modules, monolitically
[05:14] <crimsun> epicenter: 2.4 with alsa, that is
[05:14] <epicenter> I don't like modules :P
[05:14] <jesuel> edgan, im using xmms
[05:14] <jesuel> with mp3
[05:14] <epicenter> they seem to like to just .. stop working. for no reason.
[05:14] <Edgan> jesuel: what repo?
[05:14] <jesuel> added the universe and multiverse rep's
[05:14] <libben> 3 times of 5 when i reboot my box, i will have to activate my eth0 that has my internetconnection... and it taking pisslong time to startup to gdm... should i disable this... why is this loaded at beginning? is it if i install a new nic?
[05:14] <Antioch> jesuel how did you get mp3s to work?
[05:14] <jesuel> installed xmms-mad
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Xgates: the fact that something doesn't work as you hoped doesn't mean 5.04 is "messed up"
[05:14] <Xgates> so if something on a install doesnt get configured then how do to redo it?
[05:14] <jesuel> works peachy
[05:14] <crimsun> epicenter: ok, cd /usr/src
[05:15] <Antioch> jesuel hmm, will try that now.
[05:15] <Edgan> jesuel: ahh, so the docs didn't tell the whole story
[05:15] <alterim> can someone PLEASE help me get xvids to play?
[05:15] <epicenter> OK
[05:15] <crimsun> epicenter: tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[05:15] <jesuel> Edgan,  didnt use the doc's
[05:15] <Edgan> alterim: mplayer or totem?
[05:15] <Xgates> thoreauputic: well this is what I would call a install with a bug
[05:15] <alterim> Egdan, tried both
[05:15] <whiskey_1> alterim, xvids use a proprietary codec
[05:15] <wuhr> jesuel: know of any good xmms skins?  some of them are butt-ugly.
[05:15] <epicenter> mind if I grab a fresh copy of the archives to play it safe?
[05:15] <Edgan> alterim: Which do you want to work though
[05:15] <jesuel> Edgan, just kinda figured out there wasnt a decoder installed and went and looked for it
[05:15] <alterim> hmm
[05:15] <jesuel> wuhr, i like uh...mgenie
[05:15] <epicenter> apt-get --reinstall install alsa-source I think?
[05:15] <Xgates> thoreauputic: the install did not work correct and said that fonts could not be configured when it was installing
[05:15] <jesuel> Its from winamp's site
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Xgates: do you know of any software that is bug free ?
[05:15] <shannon> hello - I have a long distance friend who I have convinced to switch from Windows to Ubuntu. There were some minor problems but he is happy with Ubuntu. He now wants to upgrade to Hoary. He has the Nvidia driver installed. I heard there was a problem with doing the upgrade with the Nvidia driver and XOrg, but can't find any resolving info on this. Does anyone know if the problem has been fixed? Can he get round th
[05:15] <shannon> e problem by uninstalling the Nvidia module before upgrading, then reinstalling it after?
[05:16] <wuhr> xmms can use winamp skins?!
[05:16] <epicenter> ...... yes.
[05:16] <epicenter> Now get new pants
[05:16] <crimsun> epicenter: no, no reinstalling
[05:16] <Xgates> thoreauputic: hehe I've been running Linux around 6 years and I have never had any install crap like this ever
[05:16] <ice_1963> ubuntu work's here =)
[05:16] <Xgates> thoreauputic: I'd say this was not exactly what I'd call good
[05:16] <wliu> hey guys, i finally got ndiswrapper + driver to recognize my buffalo usb wireless card.  im in the network settings and i see my essid but i can't connect to it.  any suggestions?  i tried turning off wep and still no go.
[05:16] <epicenter> well, it did get me the alsa-driver.tar.bz2 back .. :P
[05:16] <ygnome> just in case anyone asks, the install from hardisk instructions in the install guide are spot on. It's bulletproof! :)
[05:16] <epicenter> which I had removed by mistake.
[05:16] <whiskey_1> shannon, there are so many problems with so much hardware it is very hard to say.....there is only a select group of hardware known to work
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Xgates: yes well that's an entertaining anectdote ;)
[05:16] <epicenter> Misreading you as "remove /usr/src's contents"
[05:16] <cef> shannon: didn't know there was an issue myself, but it sounds like a good plan
[05:17] <whiskey_1> shannon, if you use Linux you have to be very careful on the hardware you buy
[05:17] <Xgates> thoreauputic: anyhow a font is not configured or a few of them I remember when running Deb that you did like a dpkg --configure thing to fix it, how mught I get ubuntu to fix this pack that was not configured?
[05:17] <epicenter>   I've got alsa-driver.tar.bz2 back, I guess now I just need that ftp'ed 1.0.9rc2 source tarball?
[05:17] <DazeD||laptop> whats the best way i can screw someones windows comp up thats on my network?
[05:17] <Antioch> jesuel bah, my xmms still freezes on play..
[05:17] <crimsun> epicenter: yes
[05:17] <jesuel> hrm..
[05:17] <epicenter> where was that again?
[05:17] <epicenter> (I'll save this log) :P
[05:17] <MacIver> DazeD||laptop: give them direct access to the web, no firewall
[05:17] <crimsun> Antioch: using esound output (if you've enabled sound server startup)
[05:17] <wuhr> Xgates: Tried this? sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[05:17] <thoreauputic> Xgates: something like sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig ?
[05:18] <DazeD||laptop> lol maciver
[05:18] <cef> whiskey_1: shannon only has one issue: nvidia video drivers on upgrade. don't confuse the issue *grin*
[05:18] <wuhr> thoreauputic, beat you to it. =)
[05:18] <Edgan> Antioch: ps ax | grep esd ; ps ax | grep artsd   and what output plugin is xmms set to
[05:18] <shannon> I don't think it's really a hardware problem, just a problem with the upgrade switching from XFree86 Nvifia driver to XOrg nvidia driver
[05:18] <jesuel> Antioch, Now im not suggesting it needs it. But after doing any major software installs. I do tend to reboot to let things settle. You may want to try that
[05:18] <wliu> DazeD||laptop: tell them to install linux- that'll really mess up their lives :)
[05:18] <Antioch> crimsun sound works fine, but xmms and bmp always freeze as soon as I press play
[05:18] <crimsun> epicenter: ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2.tar.bz2
[05:18] <Xgates> wuhr, thoreauputic ok thanks let me go try that
[05:18] <jesuel> Edgan, that as well
[05:18] <whiskey_1> cef, yes but there are many nvidia products...we don't even know which one
[05:18] <libben> thoreauputic, you just sit here all day and answerings q's? fulltime job? gets any paychecks?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> wuhr: you did indeed
[05:18] <crimsun> Antioch: but are they both using the esound output?
[05:18] <haley> um
[05:18] <crimsun> Antioch: or alsa directly?
[05:18] <haley> hi people
[05:18] <thoreauputic> libben: no , no paychecks :)
[05:18] <epicenter> I don't know someone could stand helping someone as dense I can be sometimes all day. ;)
[05:19] <cef> whiskey_1: the binary driver tends to treat them all the same, to an extent.
[05:19] <Antioch> crimsun, Edgan, jesuel thanks! =)
[05:19] <haley> how are you doin
[05:19] <crimsun> epicenter: welcome to my world.
[05:19] <libben> fire up support channel =) and start making some then =)
[05:19] <Xgates> brb
[05:19] <wliu> Anyone with ideas why I can't join my wireless network even though I can see it?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> libben: I have the time and interest, so why not contribute?
[05:19] <libben> true
[05:19] <Antioch> crimsun was set to OSS< just changed to esound, works
[05:19] <crimsun> Antioch: excellent. See? Simple resolution.
[05:19] <epicenter> crimsun: why do you do it? :P
[05:19] <Antioch> crimsun as opposed to messing around with tons of other settings =)
[05:19] <crimsun> epicenter: because I'm on irc anyhow, so I may as well.
[05:19] <libben> im between jobs right now =) thats why im learning this... otherwise i wouldent have the time to spend all days just lookin in this channel
[05:19] <haley> jackie chan
[05:20] <epicenter> crimsun: Well, I really do appreciate it. :) (Extraction done.)
[05:20] <libben> allready helped a few in here.. its nice to being able to help others indeed.
[05:20] <haley> hhihihihihihihiihihihihiihihihihihihihihihihiihihihihihihiihihihihihihihihihihihiihihihihihihihihiihhihiihihihihihi
[05:20] <epicenter> ......... hi
[05:20] <libben> 3 times of 5 when i reboot my box, i will have to activate my eth0 that has my internetconnection... and it taking pisslong time to startup to gdm... should i disable this... why is this loaded at beginning? is it if i install a new nic?
[05:20] <alterim_> Edgan: i'd like to play xvids in totem, but i have tried both totem-gstreamer with gst-ffmpeg, and totem-xine
[05:20] <cef> shannon: to remove the nvidia driver, just follow the docs for installing, backwards.. and makje sure that anything that says "enable" gets changed to "disable"
[05:20] <alterim_> Edgan: sorry d/c
[05:20] <epicenter> alterim_: I got xvid's to play in VLC, right out of the box .....
[05:21] <crimsun> epicenter: cp -a alsa-driver/debian/ alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2/.
[05:21] <epicenter> but I think I can be shot by the FBI for saying that
[05:21] <alterim_> Edgan: i also tried mplayer as a last resort, but mplayer freezes both on startup sometimes and when trying to play the .avi
[05:21] <jesuel> sigh...
[05:21] <Edgan> alterim: mplayer/totem from universe/multiverse or malsomething
[05:21] <shannon> cef: Yes, I know how to remove the driver, thanks. i was just wondering if anyone knew what happened with the upgrade issue. It was on the upgrad wiki page for a while but disappeared. I suppose removing the driver and restarting first must avoid it
[05:22] <alterim> Edgan: mplayer/totem?
[05:22] <epicenter> it can't find alsa-driver/debian/
[05:22] <epicenter> should that be modules/alsa-driver/debian ?
[05:22] <wuhr> jesuel: can't find the mgenie skin, did you mean mcgen?
[05:22] <cef> shannon: may have been an issue with the 7167 driver.. the current driver (recently replaced) is 7174
[05:22] <Edgan> alterim: What repo did you install them from?
[05:22] <epicenter> 1.0.8 went to /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver while 1.0.9rc2 went to /usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2/
[05:22] <cef> shannon: either way, it's a safe bet that removing it first before upgrading is safe
[05:23] <crimsun> epicenter: mv /usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2/ /usr/src/modules/.
[05:23] <XTC> :)
[05:23] <shannon> has anyone here tried kubuntu? How complete is it in comparison to Ubuntu? There doesn't seem to be any reviews yet
[05:23] <epicenter> Done and did the cp -a
[05:23] <XTC> hello... i have 2 NICs on my computer
[05:23] <epicenter> XTC: HOWDY!
[05:23] <XTC> ;D
[05:23] <epicenter> .. erhem
[05:23] <crimsun> epicenter: cd alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2
[05:23] <shannon> thanks cef, I think I'll just get him to do that, e safe. I don't want him seeing X fail to start
[05:23] <XTC> but i only have one configured
[05:23] <darmou> has anyone been able to use the mplayer quicktime plugin?
[05:23] <crimsun> epicenter: then use the debian/rules command
[05:23] <warty> after installing unbuntu on your computer is it expected to work as a desktop system straigh away?
[05:24] <XTC> the other one doesn't appear when i do ifconfig
[05:24] <darmou> I just get no sound with it
[05:24] <Antioch> Hmm, any idea why Totem doesnt work (on Hoary install). When I try to start it, I see the GUI initialize, but then it disappears and says resource busy or not available
[05:24] <shannon> warty: Yes
[05:24] <XTC> how do i config the other NIC
[05:24] <cef> XTC: what sort of NICs are they?
[05:24] <XTC> (i'm a n00b as you can read)
[05:24] <epicenter> Compiling
[05:24] <MacIver> Antioch: sound device conflict?
[05:24] <crimsun> epicenter: I've confirmed that it does generate 1.0.9rc2 modules. I just installed it myself.
[05:24] <epicenter> Let's hope Satan doesn't infest GCC
[05:24] <XTC> just two thernet cards
[05:24] <Edgan> Antioch: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[05:24] <epicenter> "Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[05:24] <epicenter> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[05:24] <epicenter> sources (default is /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build).
[05:24] <epicenter> "
[05:24] <XTC> one's connected to DSL and the other to another computer
[05:24] <Antioch> Edgan I dont know, whichever version was installed with Hoary defaultly
[05:24] <epicenter> uh.............
[05:24] <epicenter> what.
[05:24] <warty> shannon: so I just install it off the cd and it works properly? because it didn't do that for me, it started up in the consol..
[05:25] <Edgan> Antioch: totem-gstreamer, try totem-xine
[05:25] <crimsun> epicenter: the big long debian/rules command
[05:25] <epicenter> I'm pretty sure I had full kernel sources a minute ago. :P
[05:25] <epicenter> "./debian/rules binary_modules KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:25] <epicenter> " ?
[05:25] <m2cengine> does ubuntu have some sort of gui package-tree-browser / package-installer?
[05:25] <crimsun> epicenter: yes.
[05:25] <fallstorm> m2cengine, synaptic
[05:25] <wuhr> m2cengine: synaptic
[05:25] <cef> m2cengine: synaptic
[05:25] <epicenter> that's what generated the error
[05:25] <cef> snap!
[05:25] <crimsun> epicenter: you said you mistakenly removed everything in /usr/src
[05:25] <enkidu> I'm getting errors from 5 packages when i upgrade from warty to hoary
[05:25] <shannon> Warty: It shouldn't start up in the console. Are you talking about after youn installed it or the first time you put in the CD?
[05:25] <m2cengine> m2cengine: synaptic
[05:25] <m2cengine> =] 
[05:25] <Antioch> Edgan will give it a shot
[05:25] <epicenter> crimsun: My kernel sources were there. FUCK.
[05:25] <crimsun> epicenter: so you'll need to reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:25] <wuhr> m2cengine: computer, system config
[05:26] <libben> 3 times of 5 when i reboot my box, i will have to activate my eth0 that has my internetconnection... and it taking pisslong time to startup to gdm... should i disable this... why is this loaded at beginning? is it if i install a new nic?
[05:26] <m2cengine> was just wondering, i dont have ubuntu, considering trying it
[05:26] <epicenter> reinstalling sources
[05:26] <epicenter> Compiling.
[05:26] <shannon> Warty: the install is text-based, but very simple. After install, you'll see console text scroll past as it boots but it should leave you at a graphical login
[05:26] <XTC> :(
[05:26] <alterim_> Edgan: sorry d/c
[05:26] <XTC> cef can i qeury you?
[05:26] <wuhr> m2cengine: you can get a live CD you can boot off.
[05:26] <epicenter> make[2] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386'
[05:26] <epicenter> make[2] : Makefile: No such file or directory
[05:26] <epicenter> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `Makefile'.  Stop.
[05:26] <epicenter> make[2] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386'
[05:26] <epicenter> make[1] : *** [compile]  Error 2
[05:26] <epicenter> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2'
[05:26] <epicenter> make: *** [build-stamp]  Error 2
[05:26] <cef> XTC: sorry was busy for a sec
[05:26] <gabaug> my display, mouse, keyboard, and music all freeze up regularly..usually when opening a new program or new webpage, but randomly too....any idea why? (latest Hoary)
[05:26] <epicenter> what the christ.
[05:26] <m2cengine> wuhr: cool, i'll try it soon  =] 
[05:26] <crimsun> epicenter: please don't paste in here.
[05:26] <epicenter> I did apt-get --reinstall install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:27] <warty> shannon: ok thanks. I'll try again :) I'm running the live cd at the moment thanks
[05:27] <XTC> oh
[05:27] <epicenter> Sorry
[05:27] <alterim_> Edgan: i have the repos enabled that ubuntuguide.org recomends
[05:27] <crimsun> epicenter: did you apt-get --reinstall install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ?
[05:27] <alterim> i think it was the mplayer-586 from multiverse
[05:27] <Antioch> Edgan totem-xine works, thanks a ton!
[05:27] <epicenter> crimsun: yes.
[05:27] <Edgan> Antioch: you are welcome
[05:27] <XTC> cef. i have 2 eth cards one connected to DSL and the other to another computer (home lan)
[05:27] <crimsun> epicenter: and /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) exists?
[05:27] <Edgan> alterim: is esd running?
[05:27] <epicenter> yes.
[05:27] <cef> XTC: yeah, and only one seems to be detected
[05:27] <XTC> i have eth0 working (DSL one) but the other doesn't show up at ifconig
[05:28] <membreya> gah, is there any reason why a samba mount would be causing continuous traffic to my box?
[05:28] <epicenter> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:28] <shannon> Has anyone tried gdesklets from Hoary? Do the desklets work? Do the weather ones work out of the box?
[05:28] <epicenter> in /usr/src/
[05:28] <XTC> but on boot i can see them
[05:28] <thoreauputic> membreya: is it on port 139 ?
[05:28] <gabaug> shannon: I've used non-weather ones fine, not sure about the weather ones
[05:28] <cef> XTC: what does "lspci |grep Ethernet" tell you?
[05:28] <libben> shannon, plz try to install the gdesklet and gdesklets-data
[05:29] <epicenter> this is more than a little baffling
[05:29] <crimsun> epicenter: cd /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2 && rm -rf debian && cp -a ../alsa-driver/debian .
[05:29] <libben> i had some problems with some...  but tell me if u got them working properly
[05:29] <membreya> thoreauputic: tcpdump -lvv shows 192.168.0.4.microsoft-ds
[05:29] <epicenter> crimsun: "missing destination file."
[05:30] <XTC> cef there are the two cards
[05:30] <crimsun> epicenter: use the exact syntax I gave you.
[05:30] <shannon> yeah I wold but I don't have hoary right now, was just curious. I have hoary on my other machine but it's a mess because I installed gdesklets from source back when it was running Warty and don't really know how to completely clean the system of gdesklets to test a fresh binary install of the packages
[05:30] <whiskey_1> epicenter, now you see some of the problems we had with gentoo.....these things happen
[05:30] <XTC> priv msged them to you
[05:30] <epicenter> yes
[05:30] <epicenter> crimsun: That is the asme syntax
[05:30] <epicenter> executed from /
[05:30] <cef> XTC: yup cool.. hold a sec
[05:30] <thoreauputic> membreya: I was just thinking it might be "broadcasts"
[05:30] <crimsun> epicenter: that trailing '.' is significant
[05:31] <epicenter> there we go
[05:31] <membreya> thoreauputic: nope, it's definately samba, as soon as I umount the drive it takes my traf back to 1-2kB/s rather than the 50 - 90 it is mounted
[05:31] <epicenter> Somehow I failed to copy it ;D
[05:31] <epicenter> done.
[05:31] <epicenter> run debian/rules again?
[05:31] <crimsun> epicenter: now use ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[05:32] <epicenter> same error
[05:32] <epicenter> do I need to make clean?
[05:32] <crimsun> sigh.
[05:32] <epicenter> make[2] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386'
[05:32] <epicenter> make[2] : Makefile: No such file or directory, make[2] : *** No rule to make target `Makefile'.  Stop.
[05:32] <crimsun> blow away your alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2 directory
[05:32] <epicenter> I can't explain that. They are right there
[05:32] <m2cengine> is it possible to use ubuntu mostly without touching the cmdline?
[05:32] <epicenter> Done.
[05:33] <crimsun> untar alsa-driver-1.0.9rc2.tar.bz2, cp over debian from alsa-driver
[05:33] <fallstorm> m2cengine, depends on what you want to do (or not do)
[05:33] <crimsun> then rerun the long debian/rules command
[05:33] <shannon> m2cengine: Yes, more or less completely
[05:33] <thoreauputic> m2cengine: it probably depends on what you want to "use" it for
[05:33] <m2cengine> k  =] 
[05:33] <fallstorm> But some things are quite a bit easier from the command line, imho
[05:34] <Fackamato> anyone else having problems with harddrives and the 2.6.11 kernel?
[05:34] <fallstorm> but that's probably just the voice of habit
[05:34] <wuhr> m2cengine: You are a popular person today. =)
[05:34] <m2cengine> yerp, just considering recommending it to newbies - but i guess i should try ubuntu for myself soon =p
[05:34] <Fackamato> I get buffer errors on my P-ATA drive (hda, hda1) at boot, /sbin/getty error, suspended for 5 minutes etc.. so it can't boot
[05:35] <m2cengine> wuhr: i can mail autographs, paypal accepted =] 
[05:35] <alterim> so has anyone managed to play an xvid in ubuntu yet?
[05:35] <alterim> or is it all speculation?
[05:35] <alterim> i'm finding it so hard
[05:35] <wuhr> m2cengine: no thanks. =)
[05:35] <epicenter> Crimsun: Done
[05:36] <crimsun> epicenter: ls ../*.deb
[05:36] <epicenter> there aren't any present
[05:36] <whiskey_1> epicenter, you know ep...i ran into a problem with a via sound chip and i never could get it to work right
[05:36] <epicenter> whiskey_l: I had good luck with VIA on my old K7S5A
[05:36] <crimsun> epicenter: um, in the parent directory?
[05:36] <alterim> totem-gstreamer with gstreamer-ffmpeg worked but the video was jumpy, totem-xine worked but there was no sound, and mplayer doesn't work at all
[05:36] <crimsun> epicenter: that's where the generated deb is
[05:36] <alterim> any other ideas people?
[05:36] <epicenter> yeah, you didn't tell me to compile yet
[05:36] <epicenter> I'll do so now
[05:37] <Cicada> ok I have installed nvidia drivefrs for my fx5200...   and played with nvidia-settings... how do I configure my card to mirror image on both outputs (or even better to send the output of mplayer to the second monitor only)?
[05:37] <crimsun> epicenter: 23:33 < crimsun> then rerun the long debian/rules command
[05:37] <darmou> amazing just tried the mplayer plugin and it works now:)
[05:37] <epicenter> crimsun: it keeps stopping saying it can't find a makefile. Should I just reinstall Ubuntu and do this afterwards? :P
[05:38] <wuhr> m2cengine: You've chosen a good distro.  The support community is quite good.
[05:38] <alterim> apart from when it comes to supporting people when they are trying to get xvids to work...
[05:38] <whiskey_1> epicenter, and there are some scanners that i also never could get to work at all
[05:38] <whiskey_1> epicenter, many scanner chips like sound chips just don't work
[05:38] <Bicchi> i have an ati radeon 9800 pro video card and wish to install its drivers to get better performance? can i use apt-get for this?
[05:39] <membreya> Cicada: if you want it to do a mirror, just use Option   "TwinViewOrientation" "Clone" in  your xorg.conf
[05:39] <crimsun> epicenter: well, let's do this: what cpu do you have?
[05:39] <epicenter> Athlon 64
[05:39] <epicenter> Newcastle 2800+.
[05:39] <crimsun> epicenter: paste in #flood the output of ,,apt-cache search linux image 2.6.10''
[05:39] <epicenter> are the ,, or `` significant at all?
[05:40] <crimsun> no, they're just used to delimit
[05:40] <Cicada> membreya: cheers will do... any idea how i can format the video out of my dvi connector to be standard analogue xvga rather than dvi
[05:40] <Agrajag> alterim: totem-xine works perfectly for me, did you install w32codecs?
[05:40] <membreya> sorry Cicada I only use composite output
[05:40] <epicenter> done
[05:40] <epicenter> No a64 builds. *sob*
[05:40] <membreya> epicenter: for what?
[05:41] <epicenter> at least k7 is what k8 cores is based on.
[05:41] <Cicada> is there any other place i should be checking for configs for my video card
[05:41] <epicenter> the kernel.
[05:41] <libben> the best thing when sitting in this channel and typing... totem with 4 seaons of scrubs tv shows.. and clicking it ontop all time =)
[05:41] <crimsun> epicenter: wait a second. You installed the i386 version of Ubuntu?
[05:41] <epicenter> Yes.
[05:41] <crimsun> epicenter: why not the amd64 version of Ubuntu?
[05:41] <epicenter> From what I gathered, the AMD64 version is flaky as hell.
[05:41] <epicenter> And tons of software won't work.
[05:41] <membreya> bollocks epicenter
[05:41] <epicenter> also, that every driver had to be 64-bit and I would almost bet a 64-bit nVidia video driver\ doesn't exist
[05:41] <epicenter> for Linux.
[05:41] <epicenter> For Windows I know it does.
[05:41] <crimsun> bollocks again.
[05:41] <membreya> epicenter: yes it does
[05:42] <crimsun> membreya is running amd64 Ubuntu.
[05:42] <crimsun> and quite a few others
[05:42] <epicenter>  I kinda doubt the AMD64 build would fix my sound problem though.
[05:42] <membreya> I'm happily running 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 kernel
[05:42] <epicenter> but it may explain why tons of my shit is Unknown Device
[05:42] <epicenter> K8 chipsets are in AMD64 distribution only?
[05:43] <crimsun> yes
[05:43] <membreya> k8 IS amd64
[05:43] <epicenter> oy
[05:43] <epicenter> I know.
[05:43] <crimsun> because apt and dpkg use amd64 distribution tags
[05:43] <epicenter> I had assumed 32-bit and 64-bit linux were still separate
[05:43] <membreya> there's amd64-generic and amd64-k8 kernel
[05:43] <crimsun> since you're using i386, you only see the i386 portion
[05:43] <epicenter> where 32-bit was OK to use on 64-bit systems.
[05:43] <crimsun> well, it is ok
[05:43] <epicenter> I assume this would be unlikely to have any impact on my sound problem.
[05:43] <membreya> if an application truly doesn't work on amd64, you simply chroot it
[05:43] <membreya> epicenter: what's the sound problem ?
[05:44] <epicenter> "totally nonworking audio" due to what appears to be an old broken alsa module
[05:44] <membreya> what type of soundcard?
[05:44] <epicenter> ac97 nForce 3 onboard
[05:44] <shannon> Does anyone know if it's possible to do an upgrade from a 386 install to a 686 install?
[05:44] <epicenter> crimsun: Should I install AMD64 and then start this again?
[05:44] <membreya> epicenter: works out of the box..but if you're having problems, download and install the nforce drivers
[05:44] <crimsun> epicenter: I recommend you do so
[05:44] <epicenter> Mine doesn't work out of the box, membreya
[05:44] <Cicada> where is xorg.conf?
[05:45] <epicenter> and Crimsun tells me Ac97 is broken still
[05:45] <membreya> nforce drivers have both nvnet and nvaudio
[05:45] <epicenter> and is not fixed until 1.0.9rc2 of alsa
[05:45] <membreya> Cicada: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:45] <epicenter> so I don't see how it could work out of the box, even in theory
[05:45] <Cicada> tanx
[05:45] <crimsun> epicenter: all ac97s aren't broken. Your particular ac97 mixer has a broken toggle.
[05:45] <pmai> how Enable Universe? so i can to install msttcorefonts?
[05:45] <crimsun> epicenter: that was fixed
[05:45] <epicenter> crimsun: and this would still be broken in the AMD64 set?
[05:45] <epicenter> or is there a more up to date ALSA build in that?
[05:46] <crimsun> epicenter: yes, it would still be afaik.
[05:46] <shannon> pmai: search for 'enable universe' in the Ubuntu wiki, there are instructions. Are you using Hoary or Warty
[05:46] <membreya> ac97 works fine on my amd64
[05:46] <epicenter> what chipset?
[05:46] <membreya> nforce3
[05:46] <epicenter> hm.
[05:46] <epicenter> Well, I'll save this chat start on installing AMD64 ...
[05:47] <crimsun> membreya: which ac97 chipset do you have?
[05:47] <epicenter> if it'll still fucked I'll probably be back in an hour or so.
[05:47] <epicenter> back to the drudgerous land of Windows. :P
[05:47] <membreya> crimsun: tell me how to find out and I'll tell you :P
[05:47] <whiskey_1> epicenter, well at least ubuntu doesn't take very long to install...just fdisk it and reinstall
[05:47] <crimsun> membreya: cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:47] <epicenter> yeah
[05:47] <epicenter> well, in my case format the ext3 partition, I'm dualbooted
[05:47] <epicenter> back in a bit.
[05:48] <membreya> crimsun: I've updated to nforce drivers..so the only info I have is NFORCE - NVidia CK8S
[05:49] <XTC> anybody knows about networking?
[05:49] <XTC> dhcp service expicifically....
[05:49] <pauldaoust> AAAAAAAAAAA I'M GOING CRAZY!!! so, here's the deal. I upgraded to Hoary, and all of a sudden, my Applications menu is not editable! I've searched for a "make my stupid menu editable" GConf key, and I tried the 'applications:/' URI in Nautilus... any ideas, for Hoary literati?
[05:49] <pauldaoust> XTC: as in, dhcpd, or dhcpcd?
[05:49] <XTC> !!
[05:49] <XTC> i dunno
[05:49] <pauldaoust> !
[05:49] <membreya> pauldaoust: welcome to gnome 2.10
[05:49] <pauldaoust> heh
[05:49] <Agrajag> pauldaoust: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[05:49] <crimsun> pauldaoust: that's the way it is.
[05:49] <pauldaoust> membreya: you serious?!?
[05:49] <pauldaoust> wow
[05:49] <alterim> pauldaout i wouldn't recomend menueditor either, it doesn't work too well with hoary
[05:49] <pauldaoust> Agrajag: I'll check it out; thanks
[05:49] <pauldaoust> oh...
[05:49] <XTC> as in i wanna make this machine give ip's and shit to the rest computers in my house
[05:50] <XTC> ;D
[05:50] <Agrajag> oh
[05:50] <pauldaoust> so I just have to create new .desktop files?
[05:50] <alterim> hence why it wasn't included
[05:50] <archangel_X19> anybody know why my cd drive would just randomly eject?
[05:50] <pauldaoust> XTC: ahhhhh... is it functioning as a router?
[05:50] <alterim> that's the easiest way for now
[05:50] <shannon> pauldaoust: you can edit the menu by text files, someone wrote a Python UI for doing it and posted it on a forum, but I don't have the link
[05:50] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: yeah, it's bewitched.
[05:50] <XTC> it's supposed it's gonna work like one...
[05:50] <pauldaoust> shannon: wow, that's so archaic...
[05:50] <XTC> can you help me? i'm very very n00b
[05:50] <pauldaoust> XTC: have you considered trying a distro that's built to power a router?
[05:50] <alterim> you ain't the only one...
[05:51] <XTC> naa. it's just for a home net. nothing heavy duty
[05:51] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, do I need a priest or a manual?
[05:51] <XTC> i liked this distro cause it's light
[05:51] <pauldaoust> There are some distros out there... firewall, advanced (yet easy-to-use) routing... you could use it for something simple, or a business installation.
[05:51] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: try a priest ^_^
[05:51] <XTC> anyway...
[05:51] <shannon> pauldaoust: Gnome is going to have a new menu editor program, but it's not finished yet. In the meantime there IS one out there, somewhere. It is odd that they disabled in-line menu editing before they'd finished the stand-alome editor.
[05:51] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: unfortunately, I have no idea. what were you doing when it ejected?
[05:51] <XTC> my net is done and i think i configured well dhcpd settings
[05:51] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, I know a guy who knows a guy that knows Constantine.  I'll see whats up.
[05:52] <pauldaoust> heh heh
[05:52] <pauldaoust> :)
[05:52] <XTC> but i have an error i don't understand
[05:52] <pauldaoust> shannon: I getcha. any word on why they made this step? I noticed that it almost seems like a conscious decision to make menus non-editable...
[05:52] <pauldaoust> XTC: what sort of error?
[05:52] <XTC> subnet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 { << Apr  9 23:45:01 localhost dhcpd: /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf line 50: subnet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0: bad subnet number/mask combination.
[05:52] <membreya> pauldaoust: KDE lets me edit menu's :P
[05:52] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, cedega is running when it happens most but then it will just kind of pop out when I leave it idle
[05:52] <XTC> that thing
[05:52] <Epicenter> Downloading the AMD64 ISO in the dreaded WinDOS. :P
[05:52] <luke> hey, before ubuntu completely finished installing it said that some apps didn't install properly because of lack of space or errors in the programs, yet ubuntu works fine so far. is it all good?
[05:53] <pauldaoust> XTC: ah, that should be easy! subnet should be 192.168.0.0
[05:53] <XTC> oh
[05:53] <XTC> :p
[05:53] <membreya> hmmm noone on the mailing list has answered my grub/partitioning question :|
[05:53] <Epicenter> I was  told AMD64 Linux was still really flaky, you needed NOTHING but 64-bit drivers and a lot of 32-bit software fucked up.
[05:53] <XTC> thx
[05:53] <Epicenter> Is that true?
[05:53] <membreya> nobody loves me :(
[05:53] <XTC> as you see i'm really n00b
[05:53] <XTC> membreya nobody loves me :( << are you a chick..?
[05:53] <shannon> pauldoust: They did it on purpose, it' part of moving toward FreeDesktop (or whatever it's called) standards. A menu is a menu, a menu editor is something seperate, and menus should automatically build and unbuild themselves s you install and uninstall things. ie.: to add something to a menu in an organised fashion - install it!
[05:53] <pauldaoust> XTC: 192.168.0.1 should probably be reserved for the router address itself, as that's what most pre-made routers are configured like.
[05:53] <membreya> Epicenter: if a package doesn't come in amd64 ...compile it :P
[05:53] <alterim> i'm noob and i still can't play an xvid in ubuntu :(
[05:53] <membreya> XTC: nope, just seeking help :P
[05:53] <XTC> haha
[05:53] <membreya> alterim: install the codecs dude
[05:54] <pauldaoust> XTC: we were ALL n00bs one time or another :)
[05:54] <XTC> pauldaoust i know, but my machine is the router
[05:54] <XTC> so....
[05:54] <alterim> membreya: you make it sound easy!!
[05:54] <crimsun> membreya: have you checked the debian-user archive?
[05:54] <Epicenter> membreya: Are most i386 packages in AMD64?
[05:54] <Epicenter> I imagine the performance gain is quite stellar. Is this true?
[05:54] <pauldaoust> shannon: I gotcha... but what about all those non-standard programs we like to install... like LimeWire... I guess that's when we create a .desktop file... :(
[05:54] <memnips> i have a newb question.  i need some package updates from debian, and so i want to add the debian repositories to my sources.list file, but i dont know what they are.
[05:54] <han_> hi i just installed ubuntu hoary hedgehog and tried to get my mini ipod to work. I have read the howto in the wiki but ubuntu is not detecting it and /dev/sda2 does not exist. Any ideas?
[05:55] <pauldaoust> XTC: so keep that machine as 192.168.0.1 on the net, but the subnet shouldn't have the .1 at the end; that's all.
[05:55] <membreya> Epicenter: you mean can you get an i386 package in an amd64 flavour? most of the time :) the rest of the time you just compile it yourself..only major problem I've had IIRC is OO.o2
[05:55] <pauldaoust> (subnets should be fulla 0's
[05:55] <pauldaoust> )
[05:55] <archangel_X19> did you give up on me pauldaoust
[05:55] <Epicenter> OO.o2?
[05:55] <luke> hey, before ubuntu completely finished installing it said that some apps didn't install properly because of lack of space or errors in the programs, yet ubuntu works fine so far. is it all good?
[05:55] <membreya> Epicenter: Open Office.org2
[05:55] <Agrajag> openoffice.org 1.9
[05:55] <LoKoTe> Hi ... does anybody knows if the latest version of ubuntu supports a "generic" usb plug-in wireless adapter that provides Bellsouth ?? I've tried several Linux distributions and none of them seem to support it.
[05:55] <Epicenter> oh
[05:55] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: sorry, my brain is just friend from all the conversation wheeling by... what did you say most recently?
[05:55] <LoKoTe> Hi ... does anybody knows if the latest version of ubuntu supports a "generic" usb plug-in wireless adapter that provides Bellsouth ?? I've tried several Linux distributions and none of them seem to support it.
[05:55] <Epicenter> well .. great.
[05:55] <shannon> pauldaoust - that's when you're supposed to use the menu editor which is not finished yet. I suggest you try and find the python UI someone wrote, search the ubuntu forums, it was on there
[05:55] <pauldaoust> shannon: gotcha.
[05:55] <alterim> LoKoTe: good luck getting wireless to work...
[05:56] <Epicenter> if AMD64 runs significantly faster looks like I'll have one less thing to do in Windows. DVD um, archival backup into XVID.
[05:56] <pauldaoust> thansk for the help!
[05:56] <fallstorm> LoKoTe, if other distros won't support it, there's a good chance Ubuntu won't either
[05:56] <membreya> Epicenter: ...mmm transcoding..enjoy :D
[05:56] <Agrajag> alterim: wireless works out of the box on the right hardware
[05:56] <Epicenter> Running proper 64-bit software I should have even more ammo to blow away my P4 using buddy.
[05:56] <XTC> :( Apr  9 23:55:59 localhost dhcpd: unable to create icmp socket: Operation not permitted
[05:56] <han_> does HAL run automatically? or do i have to run it?
[05:56] <hybrid> hell all
[05:56] <Epicenter> *boo-hiss* Pentium 4 */hiss-boo*
[05:56] <alterim> not if you got an acx100/111 card
[05:56] <LoKoTe> what about an internal pci wireless card from belkin ??
[05:56] <fallstorm> My BroadCom card in my iBook won't work with any distro :(
[05:56] <hybrid> **hello
[05:56] <membreya> Epicenter: unless he has say a P4E 3.2
[05:56] <membreya> :P
[05:56] <pauldaoust> han_: unless you've been mucking around with your config, hald should start up automatically, yep
[05:56] <Epicenter> P4E 3.2's are outperformed by 3200+'es.
[05:56] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, cedega is running most of the time but sometimes when there is a cd in the first drive it will randomly eject after I wake up from a nap
[05:56] <memnips> i have a simple question...im trying to install mplayer and i need to update some packages from debian, and so i want to add the debian repositories to my sources.list file, but i dont know what they are.  Anyone?  =P
[05:56] <Epicenter> My 2800+ overclocked, beats a 320+
[05:57] <Epicenter> 3200+
[05:57] <Epicenter> so, I think I'm good ;)
[05:57] <Epicenter> that's in 32-bit apps btw.
[05:57] <whiskey_1> Epicenter, i really don't think you will see much difference but maybe you can tell me after you install
[05:57] <alterim> i installed mplayer today and it didn't work
[05:57] <membreya> I'm running amd64 3200+ non O/C
[05:57] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: so it's connected to the nap in some way... hmmmm... ^_^
[05:57] <Epicenter> Avery "Littlebit" Phelps
[05:57] <hybrid> what is the argument to untar a tbz? or tar.bz2?
[05:57] <membreya> memnips: why do you need the debian repos?
[05:57] <han_> pauldaoust, any ideas why and ipod would not be automatically detected and added to /dev?
[05:57] <Epicenter> membreya: Maybe we should benchmark against each other.
[05:57] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, lol why did that not come to me?
[05:57] <alterim> mplayer is in multiverse now
[05:57] <Epicenter> We both have a boost over the 3.2E though.
[05:57] <LoKoTe> well ... thank you all !!!  let's see when i'm done downloading it ;-)
[05:57] <Agrajag> tar -xjf
[05:57] <LoKoTe> c' ya guys !
[05:57] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: because it's a dumb idea ^_^
[05:57] <memnips> well i assume that's where the more up to date libs are that i require since they arent on any of the ubuntu repositories...
[05:57] <membreya> hybrid: for .tar.gz use  tar xvzf,   for tar.bz2 use tar xvjf
[05:57] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: I'm full of them...
[05:58] <pauldaoust> han_: no idea. are you running Warty, or Hoary, or a combination of both?
[05:58] <hybrid> membreya: thnx
[05:58] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, I just mean I never expect it and, suprise! my drive it open!
[05:58] <pauldaoust> heh
[05:58] <pe7er> memnips: in case you really do this, make sure you do it with synaptic and review the changes before you apply them. mixing 'real' debian with ubuntu can result in versioning hell
[05:58] <han_> hoary, just installed it.
[05:58] <whiskey_1> Epicenter, as far as i know the only real benefit of 64 bits is memory addressing for all that scientific computing jazz......but how many people need terrabytes of ram
[05:58] <Epicenter> whiskey_1: also provides a significant processing speed boost.
[05:58] <shannon> Anyone here tried KUbuntu?
[05:58] <Epicenter> whiskey_1: and it's exabytes :)
[05:58] <memnips> pe7er, yeah i was worried about that.
[05:58] <UsefulIdiot> I noticed when upgrading to hoary that when playing a video, it will start with the sound and video in sync but will go out of sync as the video plays. If I pause it and then play again it will start in sync again (and then slowly go out of sync). I disabled gnomes sound server startup in the sound options which fixed the problem, but now I can't play more than one sound at once...
[05:59] <fallstorm> shannon, the people in #kubuntu have :)
[05:59] <whiskey_1> Epicenter, well when you install it...let me know if you really notice a difference
[05:59] <Epicenter> whiskey_1: OK
[05:59] <shannon> ahh, thanks!
[05:59] <shannon> by everyone
[05:59] <memnips> all i really need are newer versions of libfontconfig1 and libvorbis0a or something to that effect, but they arent in any of the ubuntu repositories.
[05:59] <Epicenter> KDE is slow and laggy. We'll see if that stops when I go 64-bit. ;)
[05:59] <membreya> whiskey_1: you're forgetting boasting rights.
[05:59] <Epicenter> But I am most interested in speed in emulators and media transcoding
[05:59] <alterim> memnips
[05:59] <whiskey_1> membreya, yes that is true
[05:59] <membreya> plus apart from that the benchmarks show amd64 faster :P
[05:59] <Epicenter> Although technically, decompression and  recompression
[05:59] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, ever heard of anything like that?
[05:59] <alterim> try disabling the marillat repos temporarily
[06:00] <Epicenter> membreya: Yeah, even in 32-bit apps
[06:00] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, other than windows
[06:00] <Xgates> are any Ubuntu DEV here?
[06:00] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: never in my life :-/
[06:00] <Epicenter> The only thing P4s are really quicker at is media encoding; but not buy enough to justify a purchase  :P
[06:00] <pauldaoust> archangel_X19: could be a hardware thingy?
[06:00] <Epicenter> with the 2x higher heat emission and bigger price tag
[06:00] <whiskey_1> membreya, i am not talking about statistics....i just want to see if epi feels a difference
[06:00] <Xgates> man I tried to install it again, and it had more failures this time
[06:00] <memnips> ok alterim ill try that.
[06:00] <Epicenter> and lesser future proofing, Socket 939 is here for a coupla years. LGA775 is going out the window
[06:00] <membreya> and heck ..if 64bit wasn't faster..why would they release an am64 OS and games (ie UT2k4-64)
[06:00] <alterim> memnips that worked for me
[06:00] <Epicenter> you are correct sir
[06:00] <alterim> if you install mplayer from multiverse, it works
[06:00] <archangel_X19> pauldaoust, wow, technical........lol
[06:00] <Epicenter> I hear Hl2-64 is coming out soon. With all the physics it will run AMAZINGLY>
[06:00] <membreya> Epicenter: shhhh ... I bought my amd64 before I realised that 939 was the roadmap :|
[06:01] <whiskey_1> membreya, boasting rights
[06:01] <pauldaoust> han_: still there?
[06:01] <Epicenter> You have 754 too?
[06:01] <membreya> yup
[06:01] <Epicenter> I am moving to 939 in the fall.
[06:01] <Epicenter> Large cash stockpile opening up <g>
[06:01] <membreya> Epicenter: with a gigabyte cpu fan that does about 70dB :P
[06:01] <Epicenter> going to nF4-SLI for maximum upgradability.
[06:01] <Epicenter> eheheheheh
[06:01] <Epicenter> the ROcket 3D?
[06:01] <membreya> ahuh :D
[06:01] <Epicenter> I'm going with Thermaltake's BigWater set
[06:01] <Xgates> ok heres the deal it says some packs failured on install, and then it opened up a console app I forgot the name to have me install these apps, and how do you go about finding them or having it reinstall these?
[06:01] <Epicenter> and another 80mm radiator of my own
[06:01] <membreya> nf4-SLI ....that's just rude!
[06:02] <Epicenter> I want to do some of this glorious Venice overclocking I keep hearing about.
[06:02] <dreadycarpente1> anyone wanna help a total newb?
[06:02] <han_> pauldaoust, yes
[06:02] <pauldaoust> han_: Ubuntu Warty, I've noticed, doesn't work all the time with some USB mass storage devices... have you tried a flashdrive or digital camera or portable HD or MP3 player in it before?
[06:02] <Epicenter> A recently tested Venice 2.0 GHz 3200+ made it to *2800 MHz* on STOCK cooling at 1.4v!
[06:02] <dreadycarpente1> thanks
[06:02] <Epicenter> That's competing with an FX-55 at a mere $150!
[06:02] <pauldaoust> han_: when I upgraded to Hoary (I think it's mostly safe to by now), my MP3 flashdrive that didn't work before, magically started working.
[06:02] <Epicenter> pull an overclock like that on liquid and I can have the fastest CPU on the market for $750 less, and dead silence :)
[06:02] <archangel_X19> lol is calling it a hardware thingy and leaving alone going to make it better?
[06:03] <membreya> thats some sweet OC'ing..but I never OC ..never have, never will ..if I want a faster computer.. I'll buy it ;)
[06:03] <Epicenter> ....
[06:03] <Epicenter> blasphemy
[06:03] <han_> pauldaoust, did not work in either
[06:03] <pauldaoust> han_: wait... doesn't show up in /dev at all? you s hould find it by going "ls /dev/sd*"
[06:03] <Epicenter> jesus
[06:03] <pauldaoust> han_: USB drives work on the SCSI emulation layer
[06:03] <Epicenter> AIM's ads now have tits in them. Are they trying to stop DeadAIM users?
[06:03] <Epicenter> COME BACK to the dark side. We have braug!
[06:04] <Xgates> Ubuntu always fails configuring and installing apps for me on install then it opens a app to install these again, how does that work>
[06:04] <Xgates> man I'm having one hell of a time getting this thing installed
[06:04] <Agrajag> Xgates: check your CD's md5sum
[06:04] <Xgates> the DEV team really needs to get another version out
[06:04] <Agrajag> what?
[06:04] <Xgates> Agrajag: the md5 is fine
[06:05] <Agrajag> they just released 5.04
[06:05] <Agrajag> the next release is in 6 months
[06:05] <Xgates> Agrajag: and I get alot of failures on install
[06:05] <sig> Xgates: it works perfect, obviously user error on your part
[06:05] <han_> pauldaoust, no such file
[06:05] <Agrajag> or a hardware problem
[06:05] <dreadycarpente1> how do i instal mp3 codec?
[06:05] <hybrid> Agrajag: nope not for me :P i got to wait a couple more weeks
[06:05] <hybrid> but yea 6 months for final
[06:05] <Xgates> sig: thats funny since you dont have to do anything to install Ubuntu, and that it installs it by itself
[06:05] <Xgates> LOL
[06:05] <pauldaoust> han_: that's really weird; do you have any other sort of USB storage device yo ucan test out?
[06:06] <membreya> about 2 months time, I will install breezy :)
[06:06] <pauldaoust> dreadycarpente1: one sec, I'll get you the link
[06:06] <holy_cow> oh how i love gnome 2.10
[06:06] <sig> Xgates: I did a dist-upgrade
[06:06] <dreadycarpente1> thanks
[06:06] <holy_cow> autmounting of usb drives
[06:06] <holy_cow> lurv it
[06:06] <han_> pauldaoust, no
[06:06] <Xgates> sig: 5.04 the iso I got has problems even though the md5 checked out ok, so I dont know if a bad iso somehow or 5.04 has install issues
[06:07] <pauldaoust> han_: I dunno; iPod should work straight out of the box. you're plugging it in through USB, I suppose, not FireWire?
[06:07] <holy_cow> Xgates, what issues are you having? lets try to work through it step by step
[06:07] <sig> Xgates: you should just do a dist-upgrade
[06:07] <sig> if your using a previous release
[06:07] <han_> no usb
[06:07] <Amaranth> sig: Not until you edit your sources.list file
[06:07] <pepsi> how come i dont have /dev/parport0?
[06:07] <sig> Amaranth: ?
[06:08] <sig> I've already dist-upgraded dude
[06:08] <han_> pauldaoust, /var/log/messages doesnt get a new entry when its plugged in
[06:08] <Xgates> holy_cow: well last install I did one pack didnt configure said it had a broken pipe, just about all the gstreamer packs said --> segmentation fault, and Ooo Openoffice said it couldnt configure, and so did alot off the ttf's
[06:08] <Amaranth> sig: If you have warty you can't dist-upgrade to hoary.
[06:08] <Xgates> holy_cow: so all in all ALOT of packs are mucking up big time
[06:08] <sig> Amaranth: yes you can I did
[06:08] <sig> LSB Version:	n/a
[06:08] <sig> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[06:08] <sig> Description:	Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release)
[06:08] <sig> Release:	5.04
[06:08] <sig> Codename:	hoary
[06:08] <Amaranth> sig: Yes, and you had to change your sources.list file.
[06:08] <holy_cow> okay i'll download installer and try
[06:09] <sig> Amaranth: of course you dolt
[06:09] <whiskey_1> oh well i am glad i am sticking with a minimal system
[06:09] <Amaranth> sig: You seem to not be understanding me....
[06:09] <QMario> What does smbclient mean by NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME?
[06:09] <holy_cow> Xgates, that sounds like a hosed cd personally, but i gotta install this lappy so ... lets see
[06:09] <pauldaoust> han_: most definitely there's no driver there... unfortunately I don't have any experience with an iPod (except I played with the yummy scroll wheel on a friend's iPod the other day)... I wouldn't know how to get it going if it's not automatically detected.
[06:09] <sig> Amaranth: whats your point?
[06:09] <Xgates> holy_cow: it's been a absolute nightmare, and what really sucks is I've been running Slack 5 years, I'm a Slacker, and I can't see how some noobs are going to get this thing going at all
[06:10] <whiskey_1> i don't need to play dvds or mp3s or rip anything...and i like the simplicity
[06:10] <QMario> What does smbclient mean by NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME?
[06:10] <Amaranth> sig: Nothing, the converstation is already over.
[06:10] <Xgates> holy_cow: well let me see where I got it from
[06:10] <holy_cow> Xgates, i assure you thats an abberation
[06:10] <sig> Amaranth: of course if you want to do a dist-upgrade you need to update your sources.list to the new version
[06:10] <Xgates> holy_cow: this is the one I got --> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[06:10] <QMario> What does smbclient mean by NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME?
[06:10] <pauldaoust> dreadycarpente1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats -- that's the Ubuntu HOWTO
[06:10] <sig> you could have been running unstable and do a dist-upgrade to stable 5.04
[06:11] <sig> I can't believe some of the users in here
[06:11] <sig> embarassing
[06:11] <Xgates> sig: LOL
[06:11] <Amaranth> sig: Err, I don't think you know what you speak.
[06:11] <QMario> Who?
[06:11] <han_> pauldaoust, im thinking its the motherboard
[06:11] <holy_cow> i'll get this one --> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent
[06:11] <pauldaoust> han_: could be... hmmm
[06:11] <sig> Amaranth: you don't see me with issues
[06:11] <QMario> What does smbclient mean by NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME?
[06:12] <pauldaoust> han_: (hope it's not, for your sake)
[06:12] <holy_cow> Xgates, seriously, thats an aberration, tons of people installed it, thats the first time i've seen that question in the chan anyway
[06:12] <sig> man pages and google are your friend
[06:12] <QMario> Is my question not specific enough?
[06:12] <han_> pauldaoust, thanks for your help. bye
[06:12] <Amaranth> sig: Do you happen to use a GNOME Menu Editor you got off the ubuntu forums for hoary?
[06:12] <Epicenter> Burning AMD64 ;)
[06:12] <holy_cow> 380k/sec on torrent
[06:12] <holy_cow> lol
[06:12] <holy_cow> i haveto say thats the fastest torrent i've ever seen
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> nice...
[06:12] <Epicenter> I got 491 K/sec on the HTTP mirrors
[06:12] <holy_cow> so leeching sonsabitches :)
[06:12] <holy_cow> haha!
[06:12] <QMario> What does smbclient mean by NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME?
[06:13] <leichman> evening
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> i am sharing my torrented stuff with the ubuntu community of leechers
[06:13] <sig> Amaranth: are you specifically talking about the gnome menu editor on ubuntuguide.org ?
[06:13] <Xgates> holy_cow: well thing is I'm not a noob been running Linux 6 years, and have run alot of distros, and that iso I got from that dl either has a issue or something is going on with 5.04
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:13] <SuperQ> hehe, a friend of mine is running torrent seeding from an 8-processor Opteron
[06:13] <QMario> What does smbclient mean by "NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME"?
[06:13] <capi> I'm having trouble getting Ubuntu to run, I'm downloading the iso and no matter what I do It's crapping out on a Debootstrap Error. I've burned 5 cd's now, three different download on two computers, anyone have a clue whats going on, I've gotten this before but it was just a bad download. ???
[06:13] <dreadycarpente1> how do i instal mp3 codec?
[06:13] <Xenguy> QMario: bye
[06:13] <SuperQ> last he looked, he was doing 2.5 MegaBytes outbound
[06:13] <Epicenter> SuperQ: 1 400 MHz CPU is fast enough (more than enough) to torrent a Linux ISO
[06:13] <sig> dreadycarpente1: http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:13] <Xgates> holy_cow: but the md5 checked out ok on it and it burned just fine in K3b under Slackware-10.1
[06:13] <Epicenter> but it's the thought that counts
[06:13] <SuperQ> Epicenter: yea.. but he's bored
[06:13] <Epicenter> Opteron 1: torrenting at 10% CPU Load
[06:13] <Epicenter> Opterons 2-8: GO TORRENT! GO GO GO TORRENT! GO
[06:13] <fallstorm> Xgates, did you check the md5sum before burning?
[06:13] <holy_cow> Xgates, *nod* i am noobish, thats sorta why i really think its an aberration ... if all cd's were like that it would be all over slashdot
[06:14] <QMario> You finally answer me. >:o
[06:14] <Xgates> fallstorm: yes actually K3b does that before you can burn it
[06:14] <SuperQ> Epicenter: it's a neat box
[06:14] <holy_cow> 420k/sec dl, holy fuck
[06:14] <holy_cow> haha
[06:14] <Epicenter> I want 7 more CPUs to give my first CPU moral support :)
[06:14] <Epicenter> (I know, I want it too)
[06:14] <SuperQ> Epicenter: if you know anything about the iwill 8-way design
[06:14] <holy_cow> Epicenter, all cpus need friends, agreed
[06:14] <QMario> How do I get printer drivers from Windows clients on the network?
[06:14] <QMario> \
[06:14] <Epicenter> Hey, I get 587 KBps on my *cough* archival video backups on BT .. ;)
[06:14] <SuperQ> Epicenter: oh.. you want impressive?
[06:14] <Xgates> holy_cow: well might want to let ppl know that the main USA one is giving problems
[06:14] <Amaranth> sig: It's probably there too.
[06:14] <Epicenter> SuperQ: Plenty about it
[06:14] <Xgates> holy_cow: I'll try another mirror
[06:14] <Epicenter> it's glorious in all ways
[06:15] <Epicenter> Now I must reboot and install
[06:15] <Epicenter> back in a bit
[06:15] <SuperQ> oh.. damn
[06:15] <membreya> Epicenter: they're not archival ..they're used for testing purposes only for a period of 24 hours..after which they get burnt to CD :P
[06:15] <kisielk> hm, what are /dev/md* devices?
[06:15] <membreya> damn you!
[06:15] <holy_cow> Xgates, would be interesting to see *nod* i'll try this one as i need a good iso, will try your listed one and install via vmware
[06:15] <Amaranth> sig: Do you use it?
[06:15] <QMario> Is there a reason I am being ignored?
[06:15] <sig> the gnome menu editor?
[06:15] <Amaranth> yes
[06:15] <sig> no
[06:15] <membreya> be nice Amaranth :P
[06:15] <Xgates> fallstorm: where did you get your iso from?
[06:15] <fallstorm> bittorrent
[06:16] <Xgates> is that Europe one seem ok?
[06:16] <Amaranth> membreya: It pisses me off when people think I'm clueless. :P
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:16] <holy_cow> oh and my torrent is from the us site so ... lets see
[06:16] <archangel_X19> my processor has an imaginary friend that intel calls hyperthreading
[06:16] <Amaranth> sig: btw, the point i was trying to make is that i wrote it
[06:16] <holy_cow> :)
[06:16] <sanmarcos> In debian based systems, is there a way to regenerate my boot process (init), and before init when modules load, becuase rigtht now its verry messy, and has been since I updated to kernel 2.6, is there a way to regenerate it?
[06:16] <sig> Amaranth: and this relates to me how?
[06:16] <QMario> What does smbclient mean by "NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME"?
[06:16] <membreya> Amaranth: how dare they THINK you're clueless :P
[06:16] <Xgates> fallstorm: I dont see the bittorrent dl ?
[06:17] <fallstorm> Xgates, but I also installed from an RC and then upgraded to final
[06:17] <Xgates> hmm
[06:17] <fallstorm> Let me see if I can find it real quick
[06:17] <Xgates> k
[06:17] <sig> I never brought up "gnome menu editor"
[06:17] <Xgates> I remember it listed before on the HOME page of the old site
[06:17] <sig> I said "dist-upgrade"
[06:17] <Xgates> but dont see it now
[06:17] <Amaranth> sanmarcos: How did you update to 2.6? ubuntu has always had 2.6
[06:17] <Amaranth> sig: Nevermind.
[06:17] <sanmarcos> Amaranth: I said in debian based systems..
[06:17] <holy_cow> Amaranth, you wrote the gnome menu editor?
[06:18] <fallstorm> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[06:18] <fallstorm> there's a .torrent on there
[06:18] <Amaranth> holy_cow: Yeah.
[06:18] <whiskey_1> the shame of this is that the epson works and the old HP printers work but no way i can get the brother printer to work
[06:18] <Xgates> ahh sorry guess I didnt look hard enough
[06:18] <Xgates> LOL
[06:18] <holy_cow> right on dude!
[06:18] <westyvw> what brother?
[06:18] <holy_cow> that thing rox so hard :)
[06:18] <Amaranth> sanmarcos: This is a channel for Ubuntu help.
[06:18] <holy_cow> i just used it today, its brilliant
[06:18] <holy_cow> i really really appreciate it :)
[06:18] <Amaranth> holy_cow: Once I get back to my computer I should 0.5 within a couple days.
[06:18] <holy_cow> 25% of install iso downloaded via torrent, wow
[06:18] <Amaranth> holy_cow: You can add new menus. :)
[06:19] <holy_cow> what do you mean new menus?
[06:19] <sanmarcos> Amaranth: ubuntu is debian based, how can I regenerate the boot stuff in ubuntu then?
[06:19] <holy_cow> you mean like besides places and system????
[06:19] <blchalifax> does anyone have any experience with alsa on a powerbook TI?
[06:19] <capi> how do you check the md5sum?
[06:19] <Amaranth> holy_cow: No, submenus to Applications/
[06:19] <Xgates> fallstorm: ok I'm going to grab the torrent off of the Europe link
[06:19] <holy_cow> nice!!!!!! haha
[06:19] <Amaranth> sanmarcos: I dunno.
[06:19] <Xgates> OH boy HERE we go again
[06:19] <cef> sanmarcos: what do you mean by "regenerate" ?
[06:20] <sig> Xgates: your the first I've seen with these problems
[06:20] <holy_cow> Xgates, appearently i'm bittorenting the us one ... so i guess we'll find out shortly
[06:20] <fallstorm> Verify the md5sum from both the european and american sites, and verify your media
[06:20] <Amaranth> Xgates: All the torrents use the same trackers, it doesn't matter what mirror you get it from.
[06:20] <sig> go re-burn the iso and try again
[06:20] <fallstorm> Sounds like bad media to me.
[06:20] <holy_cow> Amaranth, really? oh. k.
[06:20] <sig> or install warty and do a dist-upgrade
[06:20] <sanmarcos> cef: yes, when I start my system it spits out the list of modules, loading some.. Debian based inits are messy
[06:20] <capi> Can you upgrade the dist from Hoary-RC?
[06:20] <Xgates> Amaranth: ok
[06:20] <fallstorm> capi, sure you can
[06:20] <sig> capi: yes
[06:20] <fallstorm> I did
[06:20] <Xgates> holy_cow: okm pulling 520 17mins to go
[06:20] <cef> sanmarcos: you mean hotplug?
[06:21] <Xgates> 520k .....
[06:21] <capi> how do I upgrade?
[06:21] <holy_cow> sanmarcos, yeah i love what ubuntu did, very redhatis, clean *nod*
[06:21] <sanmarcos> holy_cow: debian's is just unreadable
[06:21] <renato> alguem que fala portugues
[06:21] <sig> capi: let me get you the link for an easy howto
[06:21] <capi> thanks sig
[06:21] <fallstorm> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:21] <fallstorm> or listen to sig
[06:21] <Xgates> Woo 570k on a basic cable connection NOW thats what I call ---> Service
[06:21] <Xgates> WoOt
[06:21] <Xgates> hehe
[06:21] <Amaranth> holy_cow: Not redhatis, lsbis. :)
[06:21] <sanmarcos> cef: I probably should ask somewhere else
[06:21] <renato> alguem que fala portugues?
[06:22] <cef> sanmarcos: I just don't understand what you're trying to do
[06:22] <holy_cow> sanmarcos, oh i agree, do you have any idea if the ubuntu init stuff might make it back to debian? i really like it, it would be very usefull i think in debian
[06:22] <Amaranth> holy_cow: Those "Starting foo... [ok] " messages are an lsb standard, iirc.
[06:22] <holy_cow> Amaranth, haha :) okay *nod*
[06:22] <sanmarcos> renato: #ubuntu-br o #debian-br
[06:22] <holy_cow> oh oh, right *nod* awesome
[06:22] <sig> capi: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#upgradewartytohoary
[06:22] <sanmarcos> holy_cow: no, considering what the debian head devs are..
[06:22] <capi> got you, thanks man
[06:22] <Xgates> hey I'm use to the BSD style start scripts after running Slack, so now in Ubuntu I see this is not the case, SO is there a GUI FE to kill the startup services, or need to edit them by hand?
[06:22] <sanmarcos> holy_cow: they are going to be dealing with sarge until next decade
[06:22] <Xgates> Ubuntu starts way to much at run up for me
[06:23] <renato> #ubunto-br
[06:23] <Pizbit> Er, what's a "sit0" as seen in /proc/net/dev ?
[06:23] <holy_cow> sanmarcos, oh of course, i sorta think ubuntu changes wont really be seen until after next release really
[06:23] <membreya> Pizbit: ipv6
[06:23] <sig> Xgates: all the questions you are asking are in http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:23] <sanmarcos> renato: /join #ubuntu-br
[06:23] <Xgates> sig: thanks :-)
[06:23] <Pizbit> membreya: Argh, that explains why it broke stuff
[06:23] <sanmarcos> Xgates: apt-get install rcconf
[06:23] <holy_cow> not expecting sarge or even unstable to see most of the 'fixes' per se, yeah
[06:23] <sanmarcos> Xgates: welcome to debian
[06:23] <Pizbit> membreya: Cheers
[06:24] <cef> not much will go into debian till sarge ships
[06:24] <membreya> np Pizbit
[06:24] <Amaranth> did sarge freeze yet?
[06:24] <cef> too much to maintain
[06:24] <sig> Tips & Tricks section i believe Xgates
[06:24] <holy_cow> lol right Xgates yeah welcome to debian, don't be too taken aback by your issue, i really think its bad media like someone else said
[06:24] <westyvw> ok wishg me luck, here i go with an attempt at the dual boot install
[06:24] <holy_cow> *blink*
[06:25] <holy_cow> this can't be right
[06:25] <capi> anyone think Ubuntu would make a better server then debian?
[06:25] <holy_cow> i'm hitting 500k sec downloads
[06:25] <Xgates> what welcome to Debian?
[06:25] <Xgates> hehe
[06:25] <Bicchi> i just finished installing ubuntu and would like to know if i can install the ati radeon video drivers using apt-get?
[06:25] <Xgates> holy_cow: sorry you lost me on that welcome to Deb thing what ya mean?
[06:25] <sanmarcos> capi: Ubuntu is for the desktop
[06:25] <fallstorm> capi, personally I don't... the few servers I've set up were either debian or slack
[06:25] <Xgates> sanmarcos: ok thanks
[06:25] <westyvw> servers are for.....
[06:25] <sanmarcos> capi: but I am currently using it in a server and it works great.. I just think its more polished than debian
[06:25] <westyvw> BSD
[06:26] <SuperQ> capi: I'm planing to migrate my current server (Debian/sarge) to Ubuntu
[06:26] <holy_cow> just a welcome :), trying to downplay your frustration a bit so that you don't toss debian away too soon in frustration
[06:26] <westyvw> why is ubuntu harder to install then debian then??
[06:26] <virtuald> mjem
[06:26] <virtuald> mjew
[06:26] <thor|break> westyvw: erm....
[06:26] <holy_cow> capi, well ubuntu is unstable debian ...
[06:26] <SuperQ> capi: even with 6 month releases, (I'll probably just do yearly, if they keep their promise to do updates for 18 months)
[06:26] <holy_cow> ... so the answer is no
[06:26] <fallstorm> I've never installed a debian system from scratch correctly
[06:27] <holy_cow> it will never be as stable as debian proper
[06:27] <blchalifax> I need some help with a problem I'm having with alsa or maybe sound in general on a powerbook TI ? can anybody help at all?
[06:27] <fallstorm> Ubuntu installed no problem first time
[06:27] <SuperQ> capi: it's better than the uncertinty of Sarge never making it out the door
[06:27] <westyvw> its not hard, the partition section in ubuntu is confusing
[06:27] <diego> blchalifax: you'll have to be specific
[06:27] <thor|break> westyvw: I've installed both, and Ubuntu is by far the easier
[06:27] <holy_cow> SuperQ, just give them time
[06:27] <Xgates> holy_cow: Ihave 10mins to got for that iso
[06:27] <holy_cow> they know its an issue, they will work through it and fix it
[06:27] <Xgates> to got/go ....
[06:27] <SuperQ> holy_cow: I've been using Debian since Bo.. and this last round has just made me bitter
[06:28] <holy_cow> i've seen many di people post saying they see it as an issue too
[06:28] <membreya> Bicchi: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-987.html
[06:28] <capi> I found Ubuntu much easier as well, it found my driver, which is a must, since my card doesn't have a version for linux :P
[06:28] <holy_cow> *nod* i understand but shit happens
[06:28] <holy_cow> this is a community project afterall
[06:28] <Xgates> holy_cow:  so this is Sidbuntu
[06:28] <Xgates> LOL
[06:28] <holy_cow> look how far back longhorn is pushed back?
[06:28] <SuperQ> holy_cow: I almost switched my box to RHEL (CentOS)
[06:28] <holy_cow> fuck if i was on licence 6 right now iw would really be screaming on the phone
[06:29] <thor|break> Xgates: kind of Sidbuntu's brother ;)
[06:29] <holy_cow> SuperQ, lol, i would be comfy my self using sarge on a server
[06:29] <Xgates> hell right now I'm finding Slackware much easier then this, but I've run Slack for 5 years
[06:29] <Xgates> hehe
[06:29] <membreya> holy_cow: it's a community project..it's also a family IRC channel :P
[06:29] <blchalifax> well it's sort of hard to be specific sound will just cut out after a short while... it doesn't matter what program either... Rhythm box, xmms.. it's all the same... the strange thing is is that when I put the computer to sleep and bring it back up it will stutter a second then die again.
[06:29] <holy_cow> well infact i do, but it is only spam blocking and ftp server
[06:29] <SuperQ> holy_cow: I'm on a sarge box right now
[06:29] <capi> is WINE in the Universe?
[06:29] <thor|break> Xgates: the Debianisms take a bit of getting used to
[06:29] <blchalifax> it will also stop when opening firefox sometimes
[06:29] <SuperQ> holy_cow: it turns out, I was getting weekly crashes because of the Debian 2.6.8.1 kernel, I switched to Ubuntu 2.6.10-5 and everything is better now
[06:29] <holy_cow> membreya, lol good point ./me zips the potty mouth
[06:29] <holy_cow> haha
[06:29] <diego> blchalifax: that's a much better description. unfortunately, i have no idea.
[06:30] <Xgates> thor|break: well I did run Debian at one time when "Potato" was stable
[06:30] <Xgates> hehe
[06:30] <blchalifax> ha no worries
[06:30] <holy_cow> SuperQ, really? what were you running?
[06:30] <kaputt> Hey..
[06:30] <membreya> wb thoreauputic :)
[06:30] <SuperQ> holy_cow: I installed my new dual opteron last May, with sarge/2.6.7
[06:30] <blchalifax> just thought I'd try since I can't find anything on the forums or anywhere else for that matter
[06:30] <holy_cow> to me debian is way easier than windows, way way easier, donno i've had good luck even with a 'testing' release so far
[06:30] <SuperQ> holy_cow: I was fine for a while, I upgraded to 2.6.8 for production, and it was crashing weekly
[06:31] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - just realised I was talking on my "break" :)
[06:31] <SuperQ> holy_cow: I took it out of production, and put in a replacement dual athlon
[06:31] <holy_cow> its just that gnome2.10 and ubuntu just rock so hard i had to give it a try on the desktop
[06:31] <membreya> thoreauputic: you took the computer to the toilet with you ? :|
[06:31] <capi> Anyone get FlashMX and Photoshop working in Ubuntu?
[06:31] <membreya> holy_cow: use KDE :P
[06:31] <kaputt> bbl...
[06:31] <SuperQ> holy_cow: that crashed ever 2 weeks, I replaced the kernel with horay's about 2 months ago.. no more issues
[06:31] <thoreauputic> membreya: more like to the corner shop ;)
[06:31] <holy_cow> SuperQ, weird, well i guess i haveto admit it can happen even on debian :)
[06:31] <SuperQ> holy_cow: it's been crazy trying to debug the problem
[06:31] <thoreauputic> membreya: nah...
[06:32] <holy_cow> SuperQ, just curious what tasks was the server performing?
[06:32] <westyvw> with a dual boot wheres hould the bootable flag be? with the linux partition? i know not to write to the master boot record in ubuntu
[06:32] <SuperQ> holy_cow: the system doesn't produce any error logs, it simply stops sawning new procs
[06:32] <SuperQ> holy_cow: web/mail/irc
[06:32] <SuperQ> holy_cow: about 30 active shell accounts, and 80 virtual domains
[06:32] <westyvw> althoguh i always write the master boot with debian :)
[06:32] <holy_cow> membreya, lol i love kde, i seriously miss konqueror, but i'm starting to understand this spatial stuff so for the time being gnome2.10 it is
[06:32] <SuperQ> holy_cow: I could be loged in with ssh, and running irssi.. and I could chat
[06:32] <holy_cow> SuperQ, oh so pretty damned busy eh?
[06:32] <membreya> kde makes me happy
[06:32] <holy_cow> okay
[06:33] <SuperQ> holy_cow: but if I tried to open a new screen, bash would never load
[06:33] <SuperQ> holy_cow: it was WAY wierd
[06:33] <kro> Is there a file I could import into glabels to make Ubuntu cd labels?
[06:33] <cef> only issues I have with ubuntu as a server is packages that need security updates and are only available in universe
[06:33] <SuperQ> holy_cow: and frustrating, because the only thing I could do was drive down to the colo rack and sys-req the box down
[06:33] <SuperQ> holy_cow: and reboot it
[06:33] <holy_cow> that would completely suck
[06:33] <SuperQ> yep
[06:33] <SuperQ> 9 months of suck
[06:33] <adoyretsamon> i have torrented all the new ubuntus
[06:33] <holy_cow> oh iso is downloaded
[06:33] <Xgates> holy_cow: 3mins to go almost done :-)
[06:34] <Pizbit> holy_cow: Spatial is easy to disable if it gets too much:)
[06:34] <holy_cow> biatch!!!!
[06:34] <Xgates> holy_cow: hows your dl going?
[06:34] <holy_cow> lol :)
[06:34] <adoyretsamon> even though i'm not going to use most of them
[06:34] <SuperQ> I've got good hopes for 5.04
[06:34] <membreya> though this thunder storm is a little disconcerting
[06:34] <SuperQ> I just installed the dual opteron today
[06:34] <smouche> holy_cow, try rox-filer, it's better than either konqueror or nautilus in my opinion.  and very light and quick, beautifully organized
[06:34] <Chaotic_Reality> when i open firefox i get an alert that says the file /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found.  Please check the location and try again.  I'm not sure what it's looking for; how can I get rid of the alert so it doesn't happen every time?
[06:34] <holy_cow> Pizbit, i know, but what i mean is i'm starting to understand the 'why' of spatial, its a different way of looking at things, its kinda neat even
[06:34] <cef> membreya: it's wonderful! *grin*
[06:34] <SuperQ> and put my 3ware back in
[06:34] <holy_cow> smouche, i never heard of that, thx!
[06:34] <Pizbit> holy_cow: Gets annoying without a spatial fs I reckon
[06:34] <thoreauputic> membreya: it's a tyranny, the uptime thing :) I hate rebooting now...
[06:34] <kakalto> is there a package to automatically mount usb drives?
[06:34] <Pizbit> holy_cow: I tried it for a couple of weeks myself
[06:35] <cef> SuperQ: I've got a dual opteron with root on a 3ware..
[06:35] <membreya> though I really need to get more ram .. 512 doesn't seem to be enough :(
[06:35] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, who really cares about setting up servers....who in their right mind wants to pay $30/yr just for DNS registration fees.....p2p is a better way to go
[06:35] <benplaut> 512 is fine for most normal stuff... but for gaming or grafx...
[06:36] <kakalto> ?
[06:36] <cef> SuperQ: be warned: the install process detects the 3ware, but mkinitrd doesn't add the 3ware 9xxx module.. so if the root fs is on the 3ware, the machine failts to boot
[06:36] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have a stick of RAM that's been waiting for me to *have* to reboot - I think I have an illness....
[06:36] <smouche> it amazes me how much I can run on 512
[06:36] <membreya> benplaut: I have the CPU to back it up ;)
[06:36] <smouche> on linux, anyway!
[06:36] <membreya> thoreauputic: your refusal to reboot is the least of your concerns
[06:36] <holy_cow> benplaut, lol, i have 1ghz systems here, 1.5 gigs of ram each, ram really makes  your machine go A LOT farther
[06:36] <fallstorm> How are you going to serve web content over p2p?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> rofl @ membreya
[06:36] <kakalto> does anyone know if there is a package to automatically mount usb drives?
[06:37] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, easy...just put your html docs in your upload directory
[06:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: OK I'll pay that one ! *g*
[06:37] <fallstorm> That'll work, but what about when you update?
[06:37] <benplaut> i know... i have a 1.5GHz with a slight boost of 768RAM and it runs great!
[06:37] <holy_cow> kakalto, gnome 2.10 does it automatically i think?
[06:37] <Pizbit> kakalto: That should be happening automatically with any install
[06:37] <kakalto> grr
[06:37] <holy_cow> i just tried a usb hard drive my self
[06:37] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, you can serve anything on p2p and you don't have to pay DNS registration fees
[06:37] <benplaut> <<upgraded it from 256, big difference
[06:37] <kakalto> not with kde
[06:37] <SuperQ> cef: I have a 7xxx card
[06:37] <smouche> it's been very very hard for me to overcome the (windows) habit of rebooting on practically every software install!!
[06:37] <holy_cow> should be same, its just another volume no?
[06:37] <SuperQ> cef: it worked just fine
[06:37] <Pizbit> kakalto: Ask in #kubuntu then, this in #ubuntu
[06:37] <Pizbit> s/in/is
[06:37] <fallstorm> You'll have to track down or find some way to alert everyone that downloaded your files to redownload the stuff
[06:37] <SuperQ> cef: thanks for the warning tho
[06:37] <smouche> heh, most of the time on here I don't even need to log-out!
[06:37] <kakalto> Pizbit, will do
[06:37] <cef> SuperQ: ahh should be fine then. just thought I'd mention it though *grin*
[06:37] <westyvw> you can learn the linux way: service apache restart :P
[06:37] <membreya> smouche: only thing I reboot for is hardlocks (been solved now) and new kernels :)
[06:37] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, just treat your web pages as a htmldocfile
[06:37] <Debian-Newbie> Hi, I'm currently deciding between Debian and Ubuntu, can anyone point me to a page which has a comarison of both?
[06:38] <fallstorm> And you're certinaly not going to run ircd over p2p
[06:38] <SuperQ> cef: yea.. those are things that I can fix easily by hand
[06:38] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, how do you know...it just hasn't been invented yet
[06:38] <cef> SuperQ: yeah.. twasn't fun to trip over.. found it with warty.. supposed to be fixed in hoary, but appears not
[06:38] <Xgates> holy_cow: ok I got the iso, going to burn it now
[06:38] <Xgates> brb guys THANKS
[06:38] <westyvw> Debian_Newbie: id throw in kanotix and mepis too if i were you
[06:38] <SuperQ> cef: yea.. file a bugzilla
[06:38] <holy_cow> Xgates, me too, burnt and putting laptop
[06:38] <SuperQ> cef: that's the most important thing
[06:38] <Xgates> holy_cow: ok brb
[06:38] <holy_cow> ... into laptop ...
[06:39] <fallstorm> I can't even theorize how you could chat over a p2p network like we are here
[06:39] <cef> SuperQ: have done.... did it ages ago in warty.. reopened the bug
[06:39] <Debian-Newbie> westyw: Ok, I need to decide, where can I read a good article comparing the differences in an objective way?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: interesting question:  I don't think I've seen a direct comparison
[06:39] <westyvw> yeah i am going through all this extra work beacuse it appears ubuntu has the best out of the box laptop support
[06:39] <SuperQ> cef: cool
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> i like testing those ISOs with qemu prior to installing
[06:39] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, well that doesn't mean it can't be done
[06:39] <SuperQ> I need to open a bug to see if I can get them to add the needed kernel patch to make captive ntfs work out of the bo
[06:39] <westyvw> i dont care about pausing and resume, I care about my laptop running too hot
[06:39] <SuperQ> box
[06:39] <adoyretsamon> westyvw: it does seeem too
[06:39] <holy_cow> westyvw, thats sortof a debian legacy, and a result of the amazing work the di team is doing
[06:39] <fallstorm> Debian-Newbie, I'd say if you have to ask, try ubuntu ;) If you find you're customizing and changing ubuntu quite a bit from the base, debian might be better becuase it's more customizable out of the box
[06:40] <whiskey_1> before p2p was popular...well people used the web...but today there is a better choice than paying $30/yr
[06:40] <Debian-Newbie> What I don't understand is: aren't the packages supposed to be compatible, since Ubuntu takes stuff from Debian?
[06:40] <fallstorm> whiskey_1, that's true... but how will you confidentially transmit information from one party to another over p2p?
[06:40] <xMaximex> Debian-Newbie, .deb package are compatible with ubuntu
[06:40] <diego> Debian-Newbie: supposedly. there's really little reason to use both repos concurrently though in my experience
[06:41] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, easy...just encrypt it with say gpg and email the keys
[06:41] <fallstorm> Any encryption can be broken
[06:41] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, so what ....how many people are going to bother.
[06:41] <fallstorm> And you just said "email the keys", neccessating the use of a server.
[06:42] <fallstorm> unless you want to do it via carrier pigeon or something
[06:42] <Debian-Newbie> Some guy told me that you couldn't use XFCE with Ubuntu because Ubuntu only had Gnome and KDE(Kubuntu), is that true? Why can't I use the debian XFCE package for example?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: there ar library incompatibilities and such
[06:42] <diego> Debian-Newbie: that's bull. i have xfce4 installed
[06:42] <cef> email the keys? pfft.. email is in the clear
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: ubuntu has xfce4.2
[06:42] <fallstorm> And there are plenty of people that would try to crack any given crypto, depending on the content
[06:42] <Debian-Newbie> diego: so how did you install it? Did you use a debian(non-ubuntu) package?
[06:42] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, who is going to bother cracking gpg just to read a web page doc
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> man, ubuntu has some awesome screensavers
[06:43] <diego> Debian-Newbie: nope, it was in the ubuntu repos (probably the universe repository)
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: see my comment above
[06:43] <Debian-Newbie> OK,
[06:43] <membreya> nomasteryoda: ..all those screensavers and I still choose blank screen :P
[06:43] <fallstorm> But what if that HTML document contained damning evidence against someone or some other valuable information that could be harmful in the wrong hands?
[06:43] <Debian-Newbie> So, what is confusing for me is that I don't understand what is the difference? I mean, can't I just use all the Ubuntu packages in Debian an vice-versa?
[06:44] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, that is when you encrypt it.....but with millions of doc files floating around who is going to bother trying to crack them
[06:44] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: not a good idea
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> membreya, i do the same on my laptop
[06:44] <diego> Debian-Newbie: in general, there packages in debian have counterparts for ubuntu and vice-versa
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> but on desktop, i like the fluff
[06:44] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: you can, but you have to be very careful
[06:44] <cef> Debian-Newbie: ubuntu packages use the same format, but there are subtle differences
[06:44] <cef> Debian-Newbie: eg: compile time options, patches, etc.
[06:44] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: basicaly, don't try unless you're a developer
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: there are incompatibilities between some deb versions and ubuntu versions
[06:44] <westyvw> Debian-Newbie: the difference is that some packages are in ubuntu only, so the database for apt is different when using ubuntu packages
[06:45] <Debian-Newbie> Ok.
[06:45] <fallstorm> What if sometime in the near future, there's a technology to automatically decrypt and scan any document posed to it? What if a random document came up which would destroy some political leader's life?
[06:45] <Debian-Newbie> Now I start seeing the point.
[06:45] <westyvw> also the packages are built expressly for ubuntu in ubuntu
[06:45] <cef> and if a package depends on another package that you've replaced, but previously had a patch, you get bugs that normally wouldn't happen
[06:45] <membreya> nomasteryoda: look at it this way..you walk away from your computer, your screen saver comes on ..it's pretty and everything..but who's going to sit there and wait for their screensaver to come on ? :P
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> membreya, true
[06:45] <fallstorm> Well, maybe not near future, I'm thinking 20 years or so down the road
[06:45] <westyvw> you arent surrounded with computers????
[06:45] <capi> I do, I love my screensaver.
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> i like the bouncing cow
[06:46] <capi> I like the atoms one
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> westyvw, i have tons
[06:46] <SuperQ> nomasteryoda: yea.. bouncing cow is my default
[06:46] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, that is hardly like..it is an extremists argument and quite shallow.....with millions of docfiles transmitted who will bother trying to figure out which ones to even crack
[06:46] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, the idea is to have a commercial distro that is VERY close to debian in packages and philosophy, but work hard to 'polish' it and have the 'polish' filter back to debian over time thereby leveraging labour and resources
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> even an old Mac classic
[06:46] <Debian-Newbie> Is it true that Debian has more packages than ubuntu?
[06:46] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, obviously thats a one way filter, it doesn't work the other way, or when you start swapping packages around
[06:46] <fallstorm> What if computing power expands to the point that you won't have to figure out which documents to crack?
[06:46] <Xenguy> Debian-Newbie: AFAIK Debian has the most packaged software of any distribution
[06:46] <fallstorm> Just crack em all and see what comes out
[06:46] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, oh..like anyone is going to bother
[06:47] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, no, all debian packages are in ubuntu, ubuntu is just a testing debian snapshot every 6 months and patched and polished
[06:47] <diego> holy_cow: did you just say "commercial distro" referring to ubuntu?
[06:47] <fallstorm> Or, what if some flaw is found in the encryption method that could quickly allow someone to decode the contents?
[06:47] <Debian-Newbie> Holy_cow what do you mean one-way-filter, which would be the other way round?
[06:47] <cef> whiskey_1: quantum cryptography could change that
[06:47] <holy_cow> diego, yeah i consider ubuntu a commercial endeavour
[06:47] <diego> holy_cow: exp., not testing, i thought
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: debian has about 11 architectures going, so it has many more packages
[06:47] <diego> holy_cow: how is ubuntu commercial?
[06:47] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, it means nothing...and having a web site doesn't avoid this problem it only costs you extra money
[06:47] <capi> ARGH, 97% and now an error... new CD
[06:47] <Xenguy> holy_cow: is that true then?  Ubu has packaged all the software Debian has available?
[06:48] <diego> holy_cow: "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms.  Ubuntu includes the very best in translations and accessibility infrastructure"
[06:48] <crimsun> Xenguy: not all but nearly all.
[06:48] <holy_cow> diego, to my way of thinking, it's financed for starters, second, i'm certain shuttleworth wouldn't mind getting a return on his money, with an ethical business model based on providing support world wide
[06:48] <crimsun> Xenguy: and then a whole lot more.
[06:48] <fallstorm> whiskey_1, A server would though because the information could be kept in one central location, not blasted to every client on the internet. Plus, isn't it somewhat difficult to use more than one access control method over a p2p network?
[06:48] <Xenguy> crimsun: well that's damn impressive then :-)
[06:48] <thoreauputic> diego: canonicall want to make some ,oney on support :)
[06:49] <thoreauputic> *money
[06:49] <crimsun> Xenguy: both impressive and scary as $*@!
[06:49] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: Public schools are financed. That doesn't make them commercial endeavours.
[06:49] <diego> money on support does not mean that the distro is commercial. no one is making me pay canonical
[06:49] <libben> how can i install ubuntu without a monitor? is there any remote way of doing it... thinking of turning my xbox into a server.
[06:49] <kakalto> where is my usb device likely to be?
[06:49] <holy_cow> Xenguy, unless something has changed, ubuntu is a whole snapshot of unstable, only 2k worth of packages are 'officially' supported tho
[06:49] <jsgotangco> why not just buy a new PC and just keep the xbox?
[06:49] <kakalto> which /dev/ would it be?
[06:49] <whiskey_1> fallstorm, sorry but i just don't see the problem and there is no way in hell i am going to pay $30/yr for a website
[06:49] <westyvw> you have to manually set up the usb device
[06:49] <rdw200169> plugged into the usb port
[06:49] <libben> jsgotangco, i allready has an xbox that i barely use? =)
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, mine just opened right up
[06:49] <libben> with 80 gb hd
[06:50] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[06:50] <westyvw> $30 year? thats cheap
[06:50] <libben> alots of games thoug
[06:50] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, mine didn't :(
[06:50] <thoreauputic> diego: true - depends what is meant by commercial
[06:50] <fallstorm> whiskey_1, for personal use it depends on what you're hosting... p2p can work for some things
[06:50] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, they also arent for profit, i don't see why shuttleworth shouldn't see ubuntu for profit, from what i see on the site already support is offered officially for ubuntu
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, sometimes the fat32 paritions on those things get broken chains... might need to run a check on it
[06:50] <diego> thoreauputic, holy_cow: can we then conclude that calling ubuntu a 'commercial distro' should be avoided?
[06:50] <XTC> in what file should i putthe command for dhcp server to start on boot?
[06:50] <holy_cow> our company is interested in using something we can buy support for *shrug*
[06:51] <capi> is there an open-source version of Flash? Like Gimp is to Photoshop?
[06:51] <westyvw> notice when he gave the interview posted at slashdot, he evaded the question.....
[06:51] <Debian-Newbie> Holy_cow what do you mean one-way-filter, which would be the other way round?
[06:51] <holy_cow> diego, lol sure :)
[06:51] <diego> excellent
[06:51] <fallstorm> holy_cow, you can purchase support for ubuntu... that's Canocal's role, right?
[06:51] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, how the f** do I run a check on it if I don't know how to mount it!?!
[06:51] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, well the patches go from ubuntu to debian, not really the other way around?
[06:51] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: So? It's still not commercial. Support is separate from the product.
[06:51] <Debian-Newbie> Holy_cow: Ok I understand
[06:51] <westyvw> lol so redhat isnt either then?
[06:51] <westyvw> or suse or mandrake?
[06:51] <XTC> aanybody knw?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, lol
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[06:52] <EvilIdler> RedHat and SuSE have non-free components of their distro, too.
[06:52] <holy_cow> fallstorm, EvilIdler okay we're splitting hairs, good point, okay how about ubuntu is designed to support service based consultancy ecosystem then?
[06:52] <Debian-Newbie> So do you agree that Debian is more powerfull but Ubuntu is more polished? maybe that would be the difference in few words?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, try "dmesg" in a terminal
[06:52] <kakalto> thankyou
[06:52] <EvilIdler> Ubuntu is all open-source on the installation CD from what I've seen
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, look for the sda
[06:52] <cef> holy_cow: I know of at least 2 companies other than Canonical that pay Debian developers to work on Debian, and they provide support services for Debian. By your reasoning then, Debian is commerical
[06:53] <westyvw> no
[06:53] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, no, they are actually the same, ubuntu is just the latest bleeding edge (read unstable) snapshot WHICH happens to be polished
[06:53] <XTC> Ubuntu is totally a distro for your mom
[06:53] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, sda is my hard drive
[06:53] <holy_cow> remember debian unstable is purely an unstable platform, its only meant to be used by developers
[06:53] <westyvw> ubuntu isnt nearly as polished as the other debian based linux's
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> ok, then it would be sdb
[06:53] <membreya> westyvw: it's only 6 months old :P
[06:53] <westyvw> i kind of like that
[06:53] <SuperQ> heh
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> or sdc
[06:54] <westyvw> on 6 months?
[06:54] <dustin_> should i switch from fedora core 3 to ubuntu
[06:54] <holy_cow> cef, really? i wasn't aware of that, i kno ians company did something like ubuntu a while back but are they now doing debian support?
[06:54] <Debian-Newbie> Can I use debian testing and use packages from debian unstable(SID)?
[06:54] <leichman> I think what ubuntu really has going for it is it's community
[06:54] <holy_cow> user linux is supposed to do the same but they can only do their thing after sarge is released so that doesn't count
[06:54] <thoreauputic> dustin_:  of course ;-)
[06:54] <fallstorm> dustin_, Look at where you're asking that question ;) Do you like FC3? Are you having a lot of problems with it?
[06:54] <Xenguy> dustin_: Ubu is an FC killer =)
[06:54] <holy_cow> dustin_, just try it and see for your self
[06:54] <holy_cow> the work speaks for it self
[06:54] <EvilIdler> Debian-Newbie: You shouldn't. You could try building the source-packages, though.
[06:54] <XTC> how do i make dhcp server run on boot? or check if it's configured to do that....
[06:54] <dustin_> i like fc3, but id like to try something new
[06:55] <cef> holy_cow: there are a few companies that support debian commercially, and they all hire debian devs. I didnt say that they were hired by Ian
[06:55] <Bicchi> i am following the instructions in ubuntuguide to install java jre to be used as a plugin in firefox. but the folder /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ does not exists so i can not create the symbolic link. why?
[06:55] <yfir> dustin_: you won't go back to FC
[06:55] <dustin_> i like yum and rpms since im new
[06:55] <dustin_> to linux
[06:55] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: why would you need to use non-ubuntu packages anyway?
[06:55] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, thanks.
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> np
[06:55] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: everything in Sid plus some is in universe
[06:55] <Debian-Newbie> Why can't I use packages from debian unstable(SID) in debian-testing?
[06:55] <Xenguy> dustin_: apt-get shines brighter than yum IMO
[06:55] <bettse> does anyone know the name of the package that has a mouseover popup under kunbuntu showing the name and use of programs from the taskbar?  screenshot example: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=35
[06:55] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: libc changes
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, you might want to try fsckdos /dev/sdc
[06:55] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, yeah what EvilIdler said, you really want to stay within each debian stage, the various packages very RARELY work between stages, let the di's fix the problems unless you have amitions to do patching your self which is always welcome
[06:56] <dustin_> is apt graphical
[06:56] <Debian-Newbie> SuperQ: I'm worried that some packages I might need are only in Debian and not in Ubuntu.
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: pacakage dependancy changes
[06:56] <icebalm> Debian-Newbie: go to #debian for questions about debian
[06:56] <crimsun> dustin_: try Synaptic
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: don't worry about that
[06:56] <EvilIdler> dustin_: Synaptic is. It's a frontend to apt-
[06:56] <Pizbit> bettse: #kubuntu
[06:56] <dustin_> i have that, i didnt know if it would work with ubuntu
[06:56] <Xenguy> dustin_: 'synaptic' is the GUI
[06:56] <milli> Debian-Newbie: Ubuntu IS Debian sid
[06:56] <dustin_> i didnt kow they were the same
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: everything you need will be in ubuntu
[06:56] <crimsun> milli: not quite
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: enable universe and multiverse
[06:56] <SuperQ> Debian-Newbie: that's all it takes
[06:56] <milli> Debian-Newbie: once you enable universe and multiverse
[06:57] <milli> Debian-Newbie: it is
[06:57] <dustin_> i like the idea of less bulk with ubuntu
[06:57] <icebalm> dustin_: less bulk?
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> dustin_, yes... you bulk it up as you go
[06:57] <Debian-Newbie> What is this universe and multiverse? ARe those the debian packages?
[06:57] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, that wasn't it
[06:57] <fallstorm> One thing I really like about ubuntu is that the install is only 1 CD and you have a very functional, nice-looking system
[06:57] <dustin_> like, less crap i dont need
[06:57] <fallstorm> FC3 is 4 CDs
[06:57] <dustin_> iexactly
[06:57] <EvilIdler> The AMD64 version of Sid didn't install any hotplug system, so there are certainly differences from Debian to Ubuntu
[06:57] <milli> Debian-Newbie: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:57] <yfir> Debian-Newbie: they are the non-free Ubuntu repositories
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, try fsck /dev/sd
[06:57] <icebalm> dustin_: i dunno, ubuntu installs a whole bunch of crap I dont need
[06:58] <holy_cow> plus you have another 14 cd's worth of software available online
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> it should know which to run
[06:58] <holy_cow> no other distro comes even close
[06:58] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, it just mounts this thing with 5 directories, which is exactly the same as sdb, sdc, sdd, etc.
[06:58] <holy_cow> not even redhat
[06:58] <Xenguy> Debian-Newbie: why not check out the FAQ etc. -- there's a lot of good info on http://ubuntulinux.org/
[06:58] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, so I still haven't found usb
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> er, just sec
[06:58] <EvilIdler> icebalm: That means a micro-distro should ve doable :)
[06:59] <Debian-Newbie> Ok. I just see a contradiction: People claim that not all debian packages are in Ubuntu and at the same time they say that everything I will need is in Ubuntu. So isn't there a contradiction?
[06:59] <holy_cow> no all of debian is in ubuntu
[06:59] <holy_cow> first its debian unstable
[06:59] <holy_cow> second ubuntu only officially supports 2k worth of packages
[06:59] <Debian-Newbie> no, all OR not all?
[06:59] <holy_cow> the other packages are 'there' but you take your chance in using them
[06:59] <westyvw> Debian-Newbie: the horse is dead. Now is there a package you are looking for in particular?
[06:59] <holy_cow> it is impossible to support 15 000 packages
[06:59] <crimsun> not all.
[06:59] <holy_cow> debian is huge
[07:00] <crimsun> there's stuff in experimental that's not in ubuntu yet.
[07:00] <cef> all of debian's packages from about 6 months ago (plus a few additions and outside sources) are in ubuntu
[07:00] <icebalm> EvilIdler: evolution, gaim, xsane, terminal server client, gnome meeting, all the gnome games, I mean, wtf
[07:00] <Debian-Newbie> westyvw: Not now, but I don't want to discover it AFTER i have installed the system, I'm trying to figure out beforehand!
[07:00] <crimsun> conversely, there's stuff in ubuntu not in debian.
[07:00] <holy_cow> crimsun, don't confuse him with experimental :) lol i don't know anyone even trying that really
[07:00] <holy_cow> haha
[07:00] <dustin_> i wanted to try debian but the last stable is like 3 years old right?
[07:00] <EvilIdler> icebalm: I'd be real happy if it didn't install Evolution by default,  myself..takes friggin' 15 seconds to launch for some reason
[07:00] <cef> note: from 6 months ago.. hence, it's quite possible that stuff that came out in the last 6 months within debian isn't in ubuntu
[07:01] <holy_cow> dustin_, yes, but sarge is as close to stable as you get, it is probably more stable than latest fedora or whatever is out there
[07:01] <thoreauputic> dustin_: that's a half-truth - most people run srge or sid
[07:01] <westyvw> Debian_Newbie: well you will get NEWER versions of your desktop environment, and you will get xorg as the x server, which is nice and debian doesnt have.
[07:01] <ben_> the last "official" stable is from 2002, except Testing branch is also very stable
[07:01] <holy_cow> the only reason its not 'released' is because debian is 15k packages PLUS how many architectures? 11?
[07:01] <icebalm> EvilIdler: xsane for crying out loud, who has a scanner these days?  if they need it install it later
[07:01] <kakalto> nomasteryoda; ?
[07:01] <cef> holy_cow: nothing wrong with experimental.. I use packages from it occasionly on my machine *grin*
[07:01] <holy_cow> cef, your mad :)
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, hoary or warty?
[07:01] <EvilIdler> icebalm: I have a scanner..not that I could use it in Linux, though :/
[07:01] <archangel_X19> anybody here know why my cdrom drive would eject randomly?
[07:01] <dustin_> i have to force quit too many progs on FC3 and there are some compatability issues, like with ndiswrapper
[07:01] <yfir> icebalm: ubuntu is meant to be immediately useable as a desktop and small business OS
[07:01] <cef> holy_cow: I'm not denying that.. *grin*
[07:01] <EvilIdler> icebalm: But yes - if no scanner module loaded with success, don't install SANE
[07:02] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, hoary
[07:02] <Xenguy> dustin_: why don't you just do a test Ubu install, and see what you think? :-)
[07:02] <cef> holy_cow: however sometimes there are reasons to run packages from experimental.. eg: helping out the devs, particuarly if you trip over a bug or somesuch
[07:02] <icebalm> yfir: I know what it's meant to be, however I'm fairly confident less than 5% of people have a scanner
[07:02] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: someone is logging into your system and typing eject  lol  common prank
[07:02] <holy_cow> cef, *nod*
[07:02] <archangel_X19> linux_galore, seriously?
[07:02] <EvilIdler> icebalm: The installers still need to compare module loading results with packages it wants to install, and modules need to report properly whether there's a point to hanging around in the kernel
[07:03] <dustin_> maybe ill let it share my fc3 partition, just a matter of setting up a triple install
[07:03] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: type eject on the command line
[07:03] <ben_> linux_galore: somehow i don't think so...
[07:03] <yfir> icebalm: you are probably right, but if you think about the goals of ubuntu, it makes sense that basic offic software is installed by default
[07:03] <Debian-Newbie> Ok, I'm over at #debian, asking some questions there now :)
[07:03] <ben_> wait, never mind
[07:03] <crimsun> for instance, yesterday a new snapshot of xmms from experimental moved to sid
[07:03] <yfir> icebalm: anyway, i agree with you, there is a lot of stuff that i personally don't need
[07:03] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, just a heads up, #debian has a small number of true assholes, don't get upset if you get reamed
[07:03] <linux_galore> ben_ lol I do it all the time to users
[07:03] <holy_cow> just expect it
[07:03] <holy_cow> hehe ;)
[07:03] <icebalm> yfir: scanner drivers isn't basic office software, basic office software is openoffice
[07:04] <ben_> hmm
[07:04] <archangel_X19> linux_galore, lol wow um how would they get in?
[07:04] <ben_> yup, it does it...
[07:04] <holy_cow> also they don't answer ubuntu questions, never ever ask anything but deiban q's in "#debian
[07:04] <cef> crimsun: yup.. for ages the latest gq was in experimental.. and the old gq was buggy
[07:04] <dave_> anyone know how to get different refresh rates to be usable in hoary, I installed the nvidia-glx driver and I tried using the xorg configuration app and nothing has worked
[07:04] <yfir> icebalm: not sure i agree with you on that one, but whatever
[07:04] <geneo93> huh my xsane comes up with bt878
[07:04] <ben_> #debian is not the freindliest place in the world...
[07:04] <Debian-Newbie> I'm used to assholes, thanks for the advice :)
[07:04] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, any luck?
[07:04] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: could be a dippy driver or a bad eject button on the front or you have a pretty crappy password for ssh
[07:04] <EvilIdler> geneo93: That's an interesting new definition of 'scanner'
[07:04] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, lol *nod*
[07:05] <holy_cow> archangel_X19, or you are accidentally hitting it with your knee :)
[07:05] <icebalm> yfir: you don't agree that word processing and spreadsheets are basic office tools?
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, since i'm on hoary... the newest, the system is quite different
[07:05] <dustin_> has anyone successfully used ndiswrapper with ubuntu
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> ... but i'm looking
[07:05] <cef> geneo93: if it was, that'd make drivers a hell of a lot easier!
[07:05] <fallstorm> archangel_X19, have a terminal window open and next time it happens type "who"
[07:05] <yfir> icebalm: ofcourse i do, but i think a scanner prog is also pretty basic
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> dustin_, yes
[07:05] <fallstorm> that will show you if someone's in your system
[07:05] <holy_cow> archangel_X19, that reminds me of a laptop issue i have with a few users, that when they type their thumb accidentally touches the touch pad feather light
[07:05] <fallstorm> but I don't think that's what it is
[07:05] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, I'll just go googling
[07:05] <holy_cow> they swear they don't but they do, so random windows are always opening and closing
[07:05] <dustin_> because FC won't let me use the program even though I installed it
[07:05] <archangel_X19> lol its on the floor and I'm in a chair
[07:05] <holy_cow> hehe, haveto disable touchpad to resolve the issue
[07:06] <icebalm> yfir: basic is something you would find on the majority of systems, scanning software isn't that
[07:06] <archangel_X19> not touching it
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, look on the ubuntu wiki
[07:06] <sig> deb http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian ./
[07:06] <dustin_> how is ubuntu on laptops
[07:06] <XTC> anybody wanna help me setup traffic routing?
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> excellent
[07:06] <archangel_X19> my pw is a bitch too
[07:06] <yfir> icebalm: go find an argument elsewhere
[07:06] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, will do
[07:06] <XTC> just a very basic setup
[07:06] <ben_> dustin_: works great on IBMs, not sure on others...
[07:06] <holy_cow> dustin_, just installing my first ubuntu on lappy :) lets find out
[07:06] <holy_cow> heh
[07:06] <XTC> for a starter....
[07:06] <yfir> dustin_: great, autodetects most laptop devices
[07:06] <cef> dustin_: works fine on mine (Toshiba P20)
[07:06] <ben_> holy_cow, what brand?
[07:07] <holy_cow> well debian works great on laptops, so ubuntu should too
[07:07] <holy_cow> ben_, some no name pos, seanix
[07:07] <dustin_> so .deb packages work just fine with ubuntu?
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> i have a friend who has Ubuntu warty on an old Pentium 266mhz laptop... his kid loves it
[07:07] <archangel_X19> fallstorm, what does "who" do?
[07:07] <ben_> rgr
[07:07] <linux_galore> yeah but still wont sleep on my iBook
[07:07] <EvilIdler> Scanners are actually awfully common in my country. Both my dad AND grandpa got themselves scanners before me.
[07:07] <ben_> woops, wrong name
[07:07] <fallstorm> who shows you what users are logged in to your computer and how
[07:07] <holy_cow> dustin_, yes, provided they are compiled for 'testing' so to speak
[07:07] <dustin_> why would you install linux on a ppc
[07:07] <dustin_> i dont get it
[07:07] <fallstorm> You'll be logged in probably twice
[07:07] <holy_cow> dustin_, why run osx, its a bastard child of bsd :;)
[07:08] <dustin_> i wanted to try bsd too
[07:08] <fallstorm> I believe it shows you an IP address if someone's logged in remotely
[07:08] <ben_> oops... i thought i had closed Xchat, but it was just another desktop :embaressed:
[07:08] <linux_galore> yeah I find scanners thrown out on the street just because the resolution isnt high anymore
[07:08] <dustin_> but then id be completely lost
[07:08] <archangel_X19> archange :0           Apr  9 04:04
[07:08] <archangel_X19> archange pts/0        Apr 10 01:06 (:0.0)
[07:08] <archangel_X19> archange pts/1        Apr 10 01:08 (:0.0)
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie seems to be getting an unusually balanced and fair assessment in #debian
[07:08] <archangel_X19> that my who right now
[07:08] <XTC> :(
[07:08] <benplaut> ahhh... that's better...
[07:08] <fallstorm> I really doubt someone's in your system ejecting your drive...
[07:08] <fallstorm> What kind of drive do you have and how is it connected?
[07:08] <archangel_X19> and it just opened
[07:09] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: If he has his logging on, he's logging history!
[07:09] <archangel_X19> lol
[07:09] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, really? hehe :) they aren't too bad, as long as  you are aware of the 'asshole' variable and the 'no non debian talk' var
[07:09] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: suspect you have a dippy eject button might have moisture in it
[07:09] <benplaut> hmm, can't seem to get Xchat to autofinish nicks...
[07:09] <archangel_X19> well whoever it is if you're doing it at least close it back
[07:09] <thoreauputic> well, they aren't panning ubuntu, and they are being quite sensibel at the moment:)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> *sensible
[07:09] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, no luck
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> archangel_X19, or the try cover is not closing all the way
[07:10] <D-Train> 1 4M H4X1NG UR Cl) 12Om
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, looking still
[07:10] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: The gimps are asleep, then
[07:10] <holy_cow> archangel_X19, try another cdrom on the exact same machine/install before you try anything else
[07:10] <holy_cow> i also suspect its hardware related
[07:10] <thoreauputic> EvilIdler: :)
[07:10] <westyvw> isnt the way ubuntu sudo for root tasks make for a security risk?
[07:10] <archangel_X19> my main cdrom drive doesn't do it
[07:10] <linux_galore> archangel_X19: eject -t   sorry
[07:10] <linux_galore> heh heh
[07:10] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, hahah :) its like one of those fables where you walk into a dungeon and hope not to wake the lions eh?
[07:10] <holy_cow> hahaha
[07:11] <holy_cow> like that bugs bunny cartoon ^-^
[07:11] <holy_cow> ^_^ even
[07:11] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: Let the games begin! Throw the heathen ubuntians to the lions!
[07:11] <D-Train> ill toss in my fancy hat
[07:11] <holy_cow> rofl, man when i first got to #debian, i had flame wars for two weeks before i got that it was standard practice over there
[07:11] <linux_galore> wonder if there is a GimpShop debian package
[07:12] <holy_cow> linux_galore, oh god i hope not
[07:12] <microburn_> Ubuntu doesn't have XFCE?
[07:12] <D-Train> i tried gimpshop and it didnt work
[07:12] <microburn_> :\
[07:12] <D-Train> ubuntu has gnome
[07:12] <D-Train> and kde
[07:12] <linux_galore> GimpShops is basically gimp with some graphical hacks to make the menu's work like Photoshop
[07:12] <EvilIdler> #debian was decent about 2-3 years ago, but then certain people forgot their medication :/
[07:12] <holy_cow> i really wish ps users would just learn gimp, its far superior, and its ui is much better
[07:12] <microburn_> That's all well, and good.
[07:12] <microburn_> But it doesn'
[07:12] <microburn_> But it doesn't answer my question.
[07:12] <holy_cow> ps users complaining about gimp is like 3dsmax users complaining about maya
[07:12] <benplaut> they need a GimpCorel... Corel's interface is the best out there
[07:12] <holy_cow> its completely stupid, just learn the goddamned app
[07:12] <Xenguy> Debian-Newbie: I would use Ubuntu if this is for a desktop system (unless you like to mess around with customized/manual configuration a lot, for fun :-)
[07:12] <D-Train> im suere you can download it
[07:12] <yfir> microburn_: xfce is available in the universe/multiverse repos
[07:13] <yfir> at least, much of it is
[07:13] <microburn_> Okay. Thank you.
[07:13] <microburn_> Much of it?
[07:13] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: The big problem with Photoshop is that marketing has made so many people believe they need the new features and plugins og every new version (really just revision)
[07:13] <yfir> microburn_: there are some 'extras' missing
[07:13] <microburn_> Oh
[07:13] <geneo93> su
[07:13] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, i find ps users like cult members, they cannot comperehend that there can possibly be a better way
[07:13] <geneo93> opps
[07:14] <EvilIdler> holy_cow: Or even a different way..
[07:14] <Chaotic_Reality> microburn_, :o
[07:14] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, its the only group of users i've ever met that can't learn a new app, even microserf can learn to adapt
[07:14] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, yeah, its a very interesting psychological study imho
[07:14] <microburn_> Chaotic_Reality, :o
[07:14] <microburn_> :O!
[07:14] <D-Train> i havent really used the gimp
[07:14] <microburn_> :O!!
[07:14] <Chaotic_Reality> microburn_, :o!
[07:14] <Chaotic_Reality> =x
[07:14] <microburn_> Heh
[07:14] <holy_cow> D-Train, i had a medium sized commercial design project, i bit the bullet and learned it
[07:14] <Xgates> ahhh its still doing 5.04 iso has issuers
[07:14] <linux_galore> yeah cant wait for longhorn to come out with its strict file permissions setup and the UI it totally weird
[07:14] <microburn_> Little to far?
[07:14] <linux_galore> man I can hear them screaming now
[07:14] <holy_cow> it took 2 days to 'unlearn' ps
[07:15] <D-Train> lol
[07:15] <holy_cow> and another 2 days to get some speed up, but at the end with gnome, debian and gimp
[07:15] <Xgates> holy_cow:  I got this --> "fontconfig error cannot load default config file
[07:15] <holy_cow> with multiple desktops and amazing memory management of linux....
[07:15] <holy_cow> i was at least twice as fast
[07:15] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, I found out what device it is, but I can't seem to write to it
[07:15] <zenrox> holy_cow,  i agree
[07:15] <holy_cow> Xgates, mine is just setting up packages, lets see
[07:15] <Cicada> hi all....    where do apps like mplayer get installed when they are installed via apt
[07:16] <D-Train>  /
[07:16] <Xgates> holy_cow: it now says it will open "Aptitude" for me to reinstall
[07:16] <D-Train> =)
[07:16] <holy_cow> zenrox, i had 1 gig large files, 1.5 gigs of ram on a 1ghz machine, not a blip
[07:16] <yfir> Cicada: dpgk -L mplayer
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> kakalto, you try from a "root" terminal
[07:16] <MacIver> Cicada: /dev/null
[07:16] <yfir> Cicada: dpkg -L mplayer (sorry)
[07:16] <Xgates> holy_cow: how can I use Aptitude to correct this?
[07:16] <linux_galore> Cicada: usually under /usr
[07:16] <Cicada> cheers
[07:16] <D-Train> are most of you linux only
[07:16] <linux_galore> Cicada: type  whereis mplayer
[07:16] <holy_cow> aptitude is different from apt-get so if its asking you to reinstall aptitude, then no
[07:16] <XTC> can i do ipforwarding with ubuntu?
[07:17] <zenrox> holy_cow,  i have had linux gnome gimp rendering a file in gimp on a 450mhz 128mb sys in 20 mins
[07:17] <XTC> or do i have to install somehitng?
[07:17] <yfir> D-Train: i am, but there's a mac (osx) in the house too...
[07:17] <zenrox> at 1600x1200
[07:17] <fallstorm> D-Train, ubuntu and macos X here
[07:17] <holy_cow> apt-get remove --purge aptitute && apt-get clean && apt-get install aptitude ... ?
[07:17] <D-Train> i wanted an ibook
[07:17] <thechitowncubs> is there any way to get skype to work as good as it does in kde in gnome?
[07:17] <Chaotic_Reality> anyone get external speakers to work on their laptops using kubuntu?  sound comes out of my internal ones but not external
[07:17] <linux_galore> Cicada: the config file are under /etc/mplayer   or ~/.mplayer/
[07:17] <D-Train> gnome is superior to kde
[07:17] <D-Train> so yes
[07:18] <holy_cow> zenrox, heh, i find gimp an incredible piece of work, whenyou really get down to it, it is simply amazing, it stands up very well next to ps
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> well, i can't get it to work in gnome, but i can in skype
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> i mean kde
[07:18] <XTC> can i do ipforwarding with ubuntu? or do ui have to install somethign?
[07:18] <Xgates> holy_cow: no its going to open Aptitude for me to reinstall packsages that failed on this install BUT since I'm new with Ubunbtu I dont know how to use it, so how can I figure to use it to reinstall, or reconfigure the apps it had a problem with>
[07:18] <linux_galore> depends KDE still has the best kick ass CD burner front end around
[07:18] <holy_cow> you can use aptitude, but i hate it ... *ummm* donno any commands for it sorry
[07:18] <D-Train> thechitowncubs: what does it do
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> i also like how snappy the menus are in KDE, but that is IT
[07:18] <zenrox> holy_cow,  i todaly agree with the right hands (like a ps user) it can be very powerfull
[07:18] <Xgates> k
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> i would use gnome any day
[07:18] <yfir> linux_galore: gnome has grip, which kicks a bit of ass itself
[07:19] <holy_cow> dpkg-reconfigure appname used with apt-get is what works for me
[07:19] <thechitowncubs> The sound doesn't work and the fonts are huge because it uses KDE libraries
[07:19] <linux_galore> also try do a click and drop fonts install in nautilus like you can with konqueror......cant do it
[07:19] <zenrox> holy_cow,  specaly when thay start writing scripts for it
[07:19] <holy_cow> zenrox, oh god yes
[07:19] <EvilIdler> Gnome and KDE seem to do the same thing for me. I prefer to use a mix of programs from both, since none of them have a monopoly on likable programs
[07:19] <Xgates> say anyone KNOW how I use aptitude, on the install of 5.04 some stuff failed and now it wants to open Aptitude so I can correct this BUT I dont know how to use it?
[07:19] <linux_galore> yfir: I fint I use a mix of packages from both kde and gnome
[07:19] <linux_galore> find*
[07:19] <Bicchi> has anyone been able to install java jre with mozilla firefox?
[07:20] <D-Train> yes
[07:20] <yfir> linux_galore: the oly thing i really miss from kde is kaffein
[07:20] <adoyretsamon> time for some gaming
[07:20] <adoyretsamon> nite all
[07:20] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: fonts have nothing to do with KDE there part of X
[07:20] <Cicada> anyone tell me how to launch mplayer without X ... aka from a terminal
[07:20] <D-Train> Bicchi: ill try to find a tutorial
[07:20] <holy_cow> zenrox, i never realize how much i hate mdi until i used gimp, gimps non mdi ui is trully the right way to work, ESPECIALLY on a multimonitor, multidesktop setup
[07:20] <EvilIdler> You're speaking of Gnome and KDE programs as if they were mutually exclusive ;)
[07:20] <thoreauputic> wow.. people in #debian admitting they use ubuntu! This I haven't seen before...
[07:20] <thechitowncubs> well they are huge and the audio doesn't work as it does in gnome
[07:20] <thechitowncubs> i think it has something to do with ESD
[07:20] <yfir> EvilIdler: true... they're not
[07:20] <thechitowncubs> and that it is in use by other apps
[07:20] <Bicchi> D-Train: i was to install the jre but the plugin is not working.
[07:21] <Xgates> man this install SUCKS
[07:21] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, lol ubuntu is gaining huge traction
[07:21] <holy_cow> its amazing
[07:21] <Xgates> holy_cow:  not from me
[07:21] <D-Train> what install xgates
[07:21] <Xgates> LOL
[07:21] <Xgates> D-Train: 5.04
[07:21] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: type kcontrol you can adjust all your fonts sizes  ..loook under  look and feel>fonts
[07:21] <yfir> Xgates: you sure? i've installed it on two laptops and a very old desktop without any problems
[07:21] <fallstorm> Xgates, is it possible that you got a batch of bad CD-Rs? I haven't heard of these types of problems
[07:21] <holy_cow> Xgates, heh *sigh* what can i say? :)
[07:21] <Xgates> D-Train: it keeps haing problems with fontconfig
[07:21] <thoreauputic> holy_cow: this is the most civilized discussion I've seen in #debian for eons...
[07:21] <holy_cow> my install on this shitty laptop so far is okay
[07:22] <Bicchi> D-Train: i followed the steps list here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre but there is a problem creating one of the symbolic links.
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> kcontrol?
[07:22] <Cicada> anyone tell me how to launch mplayer without X ... aka from a terminal
[07:22] <zenrox> holy_cow,  yep its very nice and thare are just as good wallpapers made on linux for every other os out thare linux is even using .png as a pic format witch is a very powerfull format on any os
[07:22] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, i'm going to haveto scroll back, lol
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> I am using gnome, but i have to use KDE for skype to work
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> but i want it to work in gnome
[07:22] <holy_cow> zenrox, oh man absolutely
[07:22] <Xgates> fallstorm: no my cds are fine I burned the iso fine and the md5 was ok too
[07:22] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: same place for audio   kcontrol  and just edit your sound server defaults with your mouse.......takes like three clicks
[07:22] <Xgates> fallstorm: the install just has some issues is all
[07:22] <thoreauputic> holy_cow: I have to say I'm pleased to see it - I like and admire Debian
[07:22] <fallstorm> hmm.. I'm trying to think what could be causing fontconfig problems
[07:22] <fallstorm> but my brain doesn't want to cooperate, heh
[07:22] <zenrox> holy_cow,  this is a bit off topic lets take this to #ubuntuforums
[07:22] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, they are a great bunch when the 3 or 4 idiots arent there
[07:23] <yfir> thoreauputic: but obviously you don't admire #debian much :)
[07:23] <holy_cow> the 3 idiot amigos happen to be the loudest of the bunch and really spoil it for everyone
[07:23] <Xgates> fallstorm: this is what it said --> "fontconfig error cannnot load default config file
[07:23] <holy_cow> i wish they would ban them
[07:23] <thoreauputic> yfir: that's not strictly true - i learnt more in #debian than anywhere else
[07:23] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: the whole kde desktop is managed by a control center called  kcontrol....I mean everything is in there even a fstab manager and user account login manager
[07:23] <yfir> thoreauputic: me too actually. just a dumb joke
[07:23] <XTC> can i do ipforwarding with ubuntu? or do ui have to install somethign?
[07:23] <thoreauputic> yfir: I ysed to be a regular there, but I got sick of the arrogant few
[07:24] <Xgates> fallstorm: so now a window popped up saying it was going to open Aptitude so that I could correct this BUT I dont know how to use this app, OR what I need to do with it
[07:24] <fallstorm> I've never used Aptitude, sorry
[07:24] <yfir> thoreauputic: you think #debian is bad, you should try some of the various #freeBSD channels ! :)
[07:24] <Xgates> this sucks
[07:24] <Xgates> Ubuntu dont like me
[07:24] <holy_cow> can someone tell Xgates how to close aptitude?
[07:24] <Xgates> LOL
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> I am not trying to configure KDE!
[07:24] <thoreauputic> yfir: I'll pass on that one ;)
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> I'm trying to configure gnome
[07:24] <holy_cow> he should be able to fix it with apt-get imho
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> it works fine in KDE
[07:25] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: as of kde 3.4 there is next to nothing you cant change with your mouse in kcontrol......yep even change the mouse pointer
[07:25] <Xgates> holy_cow:  hehe Im not that dumb I can close it and move around in it, I'm just trying to figure out where the problem is with what I need to install for Ubuntu that its complaining about
[07:25] <thechitowncubs> what are you talking about?
[07:25] <holy_cow> Xgates, hehe didn't even imply such :)
[07:26] <R0bNyc> hello
[07:26] <R0bNyc> does ubuntu has a net-install,
[07:26] <Xgates> holy_cow: I was just kidding  ;)
[07:26] <R0bNyc> or something better like this i can install it while using another distro
[07:26] <R0bNyc> cuz i have no burner
[07:26] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: if your running kde apps under gnome you might have the same problem as running gnome apps under kde were you have l to load the settings daemon
[07:27] <fallstorm> Xgates, When does this error occur? At what stage of the install process?
[07:27] <Chaotic_Reality> R0bNyc, you can order a cd for free
[07:27] <Xgates> fallstorm: when its upacking and setting it up, yes it craps on the ttf's saying this
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> Is this going to help me get it working under gnome?
[07:28] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: run kcontrol edit the fonts from "within" gnome  bet the size problem is fixed
[07:28] <Xgates> ok ---> ? is the help section
[07:28] <R0bNyc> Chaotic_Reality: where
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> oh ok
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> i didn't know that was possible
[07:28] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: yes
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> what about audo?
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> audio?
[07:28] <Xgates> B is for broken so let me see if I can find a B in this thing
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> what is the differences in audio in KDE vs gNOME?
[07:28] <Bicchi> exit
[07:28] <Chaotic_Reality> R0bNyc, www.ubuntu.com
[07:28] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: not sure I usually default to kde not gnome
[07:29] <R0bNyc> thank u i bet they take long time
[07:29] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: worth a try
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> what is the differences in audio in KDE vs gNOME?
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> woops
[07:29] <holy_cow> Xgates, ubuntu is up and running on laptop
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> whats worth a try?
[07:29] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: kde has its own sound manager called artsd
[07:29] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: editing the sound settings in kcontrol
[07:30] <benplaut> what are the best (free) linux supported 3d games
[07:30] <benplaut> ?
[07:30] <kangpeh> http://www.aniport.com/public/1113110749.png <-- screenshot of my Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary w/ Gnome and nabi (korean support) hehehe
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> alright, i'll give it a try
[07:30] <linux_galore> benplaut: more your hardware than Linux distro i find
[07:31] <benplaut> radeon 7500 mobile (64mb)... it can handle quite a bit, for its age
[07:31] <zenrox> benplaut,  chackout ufo, planeshift
[07:31] <zenrox> check
[07:31] <linux_galore> benplaut: one problem the ATi drivers under Linux are a bit slow
[07:31] <benplaut> thanx
[07:31] <benplaut> i know...
[07:31] <benplaut> but they are decent
[07:31] <Bicchi> ubuntu did not install the gcc with the basic install. how do i install it including g++?
[07:31] <holy_cow> Xgates, sound is working ( i don't even know the hardware on the lappy ) and its mounting usb hd's
[07:32] <holy_cow> Xgates, sounds like you got some weird hardware?
[07:32] <linux_galore> <--- has Nvidia FX5900.....runs really well under Linux
[07:32] <linux_galore> benplaut: enemy territory is very good on Linux
[07:32] <zenrox> <-----nvidia gf ti 4800 dual monter enabled and still have 3d support
[07:32] <holy_cow> hey guys ... the gnome bootup image is now square instead of nice rounded polished like it was about a week ago ....
[07:32] <holy_cow> very ugly
[07:32] <linux_galore> benplaut: also free
[07:33] <holy_cow> anyone know if we can swap the old one back in?
[07:33] <holy_cow> also the background is dark when gnome is loading, it should be nice like the boot menu
[07:33] <holy_cow> i'll haveto dig in, that has to be fixed :)
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> PROBLEM??!?!?
[07:34] <linux_galore> holy_cow: look on www.google.com/linux  for editing the gdm theme
[07:34] <holy_cow> linux_galore, lol *nod*
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> after i installed kubuntu-desktop and when i try to login with gnome, my panels don't load
[07:34] <Xgates> holy_cow: you got it installed ok?
[07:34] <yfir> holy_cow: Configuration Editor -> apps -> gnome-session -> options
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> actually, nothing loads
[07:35] <linux_galore> holy_cow: just an image file/s
[07:35] <holy_cow> yfir!!
[07:35] <holy_cow> *hmmm* cool
[07:35] <holy_cow> Xgates, yeah no problem
[07:35] <Bicchi> how can install gcc?
[07:35] <holy_cow> Xgates, i have only run into one other person that couldn't get debian installed via d-i ... this dude from the netherlands
[07:35] <kakalto> Ubuntu isn't mounting my usb flash drive automatically, and I can't mount it manually. how do I get hotplug to ACTUALLY do its job???
[07:35] <holy_cow> redhat and win2k installed
[07:36] <libben> Bicchi, use synaptic and search gcc
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Bicchi: you need d-e
[07:36] <yfir> holy_cow: run Configuration editor as root though if you want to change the splash image for every user
[07:36] <holy_cow> gentoo and debian refuse to
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> bicchi: apt-get install build-essential
[07:36] <libben> or look at www.ubuntuguide.or
[07:36] <libben> or look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:36] <thoreauputic> bah You need to install build-essential
[07:36] <holy_cow> yfir ... that can be done? oh sweet :) thx!
[07:36] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> after i installed kubuntu-desktop, my gnome session won't load
[07:37] <XTC> how do I route all traffic from eth1 to eth0 ?
[07:37] <linux_galore> just left it the way it is ....its only there for like 5 seconds
[07:37] <kakalto> Ubuntu isn't mounting my usb flash drive automatically, and I can't mount it manually. how do I get hotplug to actually do its job? if I run lsusb, it shows up, but I can't mount it manually?
[07:37] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: kabuntu is kde not gnome
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> i know that
[07:37] <linux_galore> kubuntu *
[07:38] <holy_cow> yfir, haha holy fuck thats the image!
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> but i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:38] <holy_cow> thank you :)
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> after i installed hoary
[07:38] <holy_cow> oh thats cool, time to get gimp out
[07:38] <linux_galore> thechitowncubs: your going to have to load a whole heap of gnome packages
[07:38] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> i already had gnome working
[07:38] <kakalto> please!!?
[07:38] <Xgates> holy_cow: ok well I'm on the desktop let me see if I can get the Rez adjusted
[07:38] <Xgates> do we have to run --> xorg.config?
[07:39] <holy_cow> no
[07:39] <holy_cow> system ...
[07:39] <kakalto> ???????
[07:39] <holy_cow> preferences ... resolution
[07:39] <holy_cow> should be able to get you sensible possibilities for your hardware
[07:40] <|Gunther|> hii
[07:40] <holy_cow> if you want greater with proper refresh rates for your moni, you will need to config xorg.config yes, or you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i think
[07:40] <dem> http://zengarden.foo-projects.org/images/uglyfront.jpg
[07:41] <dem> anyone know why my fonts < 12 look ugly like that since i updated to hoary final
[07:41] <Xgates> holy_cow: ok looks like apt-get is working this time, BUT I'm running a Nvidia card so run ---> apt-get install nvidia-glx ?
[07:41] <whiskey_2> the web was yesterday's technology and people need to move on to cost savings
[07:41] <benplaut> is there an equivelent to "Program Files" in Ubuntu? i found it (in 3 places...) in SuSE, but i can't seem to locate it over here
[07:41] <dem> on my laptop, i updated it too, but the fonts didn't break
[07:41] <holy_cow> oh there it is! ubuntu polished metal! nice!!!!
[07:41] <holy_cow> oh no... check out the ubuntu website
[07:42] <holy_cow> they made it very simple, simpler than the debian way actually
[07:42] <holy_cow> they have detailed instructions on the wiki for nvidia, super cool infact
[07:42] <Xgates> k whats that URL for the userguide again?
[07:42] <Debian-Newbie> Can I uninstall Gnome if I don't like it?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Xgates: ^^^
[07:43] <Xgates> thx
[07:43] <holy_cow> thoreauputic, thanks, i don't know ubuntu urls well yet :)
[07:43] <MacIver> Debian-Newbie: no, it will suck you in, it's not possible that you won't like it
[07:43] <holy_cow> lol MacIver
[07:43] <deFrysk> 10 pts for MacIver
[07:43] <Debian-Newbie> MacIver LOL.
[07:43] <holy_cow> actually yes you can remove gnome and or kde
[07:44] <thoreauputic> holy_cow: there are too many to remember, but that one sticks for me :)
[07:44] <Debian-Newbie> I want a lightweight think like XFCE
[07:44] <Debian-Newbie> How do you set up the installer to give you(the user) more options to choose, like the debian way?
[07:44] <EvilIdler> Debian-Newbie: You'll still find that there are many little utilities only KDE or Gnome provides
[07:44] <Debian-Newbie> I mean instead of the installer choosing everything for you.
[07:45] <holy_cow> Debian-Newbie, just muck about with stuff for a while, uninstalling gnome and kde can be easy or hard, infact i don't know how as i've never tried it, but it is possible
[07:45] <Amaranth> Debian-Newbie: use the server boot option
[07:45] <Xgates> CRAP
[07:45] <deFrysk> Debian-Newbie, I beleive the crimsun repo has xfce4.2
[07:45] <Xgates> brb
[07:45] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: you came out of that rather well - I thought you would be burnt at the stake for the ops joke ;-)
[07:45] <|Gunther|> is the new Ubuntu a DVD edition thats going out to mail?
[07:45] <dem> any ideas as far as fonts go?
[07:45] <Amaranth> Debian-Newbie: It was "expert" in warty but I think it changed to "server", try expert first anyway.
[07:45] <Arnia> Ouch... just played with kcontrol to check if the 3.4 vaunted usability improvements filtered through
[07:46] <Debian-Newbie> thoreau :)
[07:46] <Arnia> Look at Security and Privacy > Crypto and make sense of *that*
[07:46] <Amaranth> |Gunther|: It has basically everything debian has plus a lot of stuff from apt-get.org
[07:46] <|Gunther|> oh ok
[07:47] <Xgates> ok
[07:47] <Amaranth> |Gunther|: That's not what's on the DVD though.
[07:47] <Xgates> apt-get install python2.4-samba is crapping on me
[07:47] <Xgates> so maybe need to change the mirror
[07:47] <Xgates> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-samba_3.0.10-1ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:47] <Amaranth> |Gunther|: The DVD is just everything from main, should still be enough to fill a good portion of a DVD.
[07:47] <Xgates>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:47] <Xgates> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:47] <Xgates> how do you change the mirrors for apt-get?
[07:47] <Quest-Master> I have a friend
[07:47] <EvilIdler> You shouldn't need 4.38 gigs worth of compressed packages, though
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Xgates: something is deeply wrong...
[07:47] <Quest-Master> And he needs to add Windows into GRUB
[07:47] <Quest-Master> But
[07:48] <Quest-Master> GRUB uses the (hd0,0) style for partitions
[07:48] <Xgates> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:48] <Quest-Master> His Windows is on hda1
[07:48] <Xgates> ok let me try
[07:48] <Quest-Master> And he's tried (hd0,0)
[07:48] <Quest-Master> (hd1,0)
[07:48] <Xgates> thoreauputic, LOL Ubuntu has been giving me nothing but problems for the past 5 hrs
[07:48] <EvilIdler> Quest-Master: You simply want (hd0)
[07:48] <Arnia> Quest-Master: You chainloading
[07:48] <Quest-Master> (hd0,1) and (hd0,2)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Xgates: so it appears - I don't know why
[07:49] <thoreauputic> Xgates: very unfortunate
[07:49] <Quest-Master> Arnia: Ues
[07:49] <EvilIdler> Quest-Master: If you add a comma, that implies saving Grub *on the partition*
[07:49] <Quest-Master> EvilIdler: I'll tell him that
[07:49] <Debian-Newbie> Ok thanks for the patience everyone. Bye :)
[07:49] <thoreauputic> Debian-Newbie: hope to see you again soon :)
[07:49] <EvilIdler> Quest-Master: Specifying hd0 makes it go on the master boot record
[07:49] <Quest-Master> Ok
[07:50] <Amaranth> EvilIdler: I don't think he is installing grub. Sounds like he is trying to make it boot windows.
[07:50] <EvilIdler> Amaranth: I've suppressed all chainloading knowledge :/
[07:50] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: You are right.
[07:50] <masa> Does anyone know if hoary should detect a Compaq Smart Array 2 controller and load the cpqarray module? It seems like it does not work when booting from the preview version of the install CD...?
[07:50] <whiskey_2> i mean really just google for the word cheap and look how many websites come up.....who is even going to bother to look at any of them.....they are wasting their money paying $30/yr.....people need to wisen up
[07:50] <Xgates> thoreauputic, oh well I uncommented the other mirrors now running apt-get update
[07:51] <Xgates> lets see how this goes
[07:51] <thoreauputic> Xgates: Maybe you should sacrifice a goat or two...
[07:51] <Xgates> thoreauputic, nope
[07:51] <Xgates> AHHH
[07:51] <Xgates> apt-get -f install
[07:51] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: Do you know the solution to this problem?
[07:51] <Xgates> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-samba_3.0.10-1ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:51] <Xgates>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:51] <whiskey_2> i see 54million sites for the word cheap....point made
[07:51] <Xgates> I cant run apt-get -f install
[07:52] <epicenter> CHRIST this is fast.
[07:52] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: Nope, I don't mess with grub. :P
[07:52] <whiskey_2> epicenter, hey that was fast...did you get 64bit installed
[07:52] <Quest-Master> EvilIdler: lol, he got this when he simply put in (hd0): Error 12: Invalid device requested.
[07:52] <Amaranth> Xgates: sudo apt-get clean <--does that work?
[07:52] <Quest-Master> EvilIdler: It also said something about a bad fs
[07:52] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: ack.
[07:52] <thoreauputic> Xgates:  corrupted filesystem tarfile  << haven't seen that one
[07:52] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[07:52] <epicenter> Sound is still foobar'ed
[07:52] <epicenter> I also ran out to the store for snacks
[07:52] <epicenter> yeah, it's installed
[07:52] <thoreauputic> Xgates: looks ominous
[07:52] <whiskey_2> epicenter, does it really feel that much faster
[07:52] <epicenter> and holy mother of GOD is it quick
[07:52] <Dethread|> snacks are good
[07:52] <EvilIdler> Quest-Master: That's why I don't dual-boot :/
[07:53] <Quest-Master> gah
[07:53] <whiskey_2> epicenter, hey no kidding....that is interesting
[07:53] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: I think it means either the md5's don't match up or it can't inflate the tar.
[07:53] <epicenter> Firefox renders smoothly on a page of all animated gifs, it lagged like mad before. The GUI is quick and response in VESA when it was choppy and unusable before
[07:53] <Xgates> thoreauputic, I cant get python2.4-samba which nvidia-glx needs
[07:53] <holy_cow> epicenter, so the 64 bit distro is all compiled for 64 cpus right?
[07:53] <thechitowncubs> I had gnome working with hoary and i wanted to try kubuntu so i installed kubuntu-desktop, but when i try to login to gnome it doesn't load the panels correctly or the background
[07:53] <epicenter> yep
[07:53] <kakalto> wtf is with this retarded thing
[07:53] <Xgates> man this is really sucking
[07:53] <epicenter> kernel and all apps in the repository, it would appear.
[07:53] <Amaranth> Xgates: Does sudo apt-get clean work?
[07:53] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone know what I screwed up?
[07:53] <epicenter> The repos. isn't as robust as the 32-bit one though, it seems
[07:53] <Xgates> Amaranth, let me try thanks
[07:53] <epicenter> but I want to compile more apps for my CPU on my own anyway
[07:53] <holy_cow> epicenter, oh okay
[07:54] <epicenter> now I just have to fix my sound card and I'm set
[07:54] <EvilIdler> Xgates: nvidia-glx requiring a python and samba related package?! That sounds very wrong
[07:54] <holy_cow> Xgates, thats just weird :-/
[07:54] <Xgates> yeah no kidding
[07:54] <Xgates> LOL
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: do you have any ideas why this seems to be inlicting itself on Xgates in particular and others are sailing through without problems?
[07:54] <holy_cow> EvilIdler, heh *nod*
[07:54] <Xgates> ok apt-get clean seems to have gotten it
[07:54] <Xgates> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[07:54] <Xgates>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[07:54] <dem> http://zengarden.foo-projects.org/images/two.png a wall paper i made for ubuntu, it's really nice with clearlooks-olive
[07:55] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Bad HD? Random bad download?
[07:55] <Xgates> damm this thing is killing me and they say Slack is hard
[07:55] <Xgates> LOL
[07:55] <westyvw> hey to get to a 686 kernel can i just apt-get it?
[07:55] <whiskey_2> epicenter, that is very interesting that you can feel a difference between 32bit and 64bit code
[07:55] <Amaranth> westyvw: Yep.
[07:55] <thechitowncubs> anyone have a clue?
[07:55] <holy_cow> Xgates, after you added the nvidia repositories to your sources.list you did apt-get update right?
[07:55] <westyvw> thanks
[07:55] <thechitowncubs> should i ask in #kubuntu?
[07:55] <Arnia> dem: The Ubuntu Chocolate wallpaper is nice with Clearlooks Olive too
[07:55] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I was thinking hard drive too - 5 hrs of downloads and none work
[07:55] <holy_cow> ubuntu should warn you that there is no signature for the repository
[07:55] <Arnia> thechitowncubs: Swap the KDE sound system to use ESD
[07:55] <epicenter> whiskey_2: But not unexpected :D
[07:56] <whiskey_2> epicenter, it is unexpected to me...and quite interesting
[07:56] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: It has it cached, apt-get'ing it again will use the one it downloaded the first time. apt-get clean should clean the cache.
[07:56] <Arnia> thechitowncubs: Just tested KDE sound in Gnome and that got it working
[07:56] <thechitowncubs> Arnia: are you referring to skype?
[07:56] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: aha - i follow you
[07:56] <Arnia> thechitowncubs: Yes. If its trying to use KDE's sound system you have to tell KDE to defer to Gnome's daemon (the Enlightened Sound Daemon)
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> Thanks, I'll try it once i get gnome back working again =(
[07:57] <Xgates> ok looks like I got Nvidia in
[07:57] <Xgates> need to reboot
[07:57] <Xgates> brb
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> im going to try to reboot
[07:57] <holy_cow> lol reboot
[07:57] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: See? Just needed a cleaning. :)
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> maybe that will help it out
[07:58] <holy_cow> you know i had the unfortunate experience of installing xp last week
[07:58] <Amaranth> holy_cow: Don't confuse the newbs with modprobe. :)
[07:58] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: yes - good thinking :)
[07:58] <epicenter> I saved most of Crimsun's messages. I hope I can get this shit compiled on my own
[07:58] <masa> anyone here running kde applications in gnome?
[07:58] <epicenter> I did lose the URL to the ALSA 1.0.9 rc 2 pack though :(
[07:58] <Arnia> holy_cow: did you survive?
[07:58] <holy_cow> i can't believe how such an 'enterprise' level product requires so many reboots
[07:58] <holy_cow> Arnia, haha
[07:58] <holy_cow> lol
[07:58] <epicenter> IS THERE ANYONE ALIVE OUT THERE
[07:58] <thoreauputic> wow.....
[07:58] <whiskey_2> epicenter, did you change the partition type or anything
[07:58] <holy_cow> Arnia, haha that was a good line :)
[07:58] <Amaranth> CAN ANYBODY HEAR ME?
[07:58] <EvilIdler> We only lost 60 people
[07:58] <epicenter> ext3 still
[07:58] <Amaranth> epicenter: :)
[07:58] <flodine> does ubuntu have a built in firewall
[07:58] <epicenter> I don't want to go to Reiser or anything
[07:58] <EvilIdler> Still 419 present
[07:58] <holy_cow> flodine, iptables
[07:59] <epicenter> have my CPU be used up 10% all the time indexing shit
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I'm drowning!!
[07:59] <whiskey_2> epicenter, did you change the partition type or anything to affect speed
[07:59] <Arnia> Yay... we were on the good side of the split?
[07:59] <Arnia> -?
[07:59] <Amaranth> damn, one of the pymusique devs got split right after i asked him a question
[07:59] <holy_cow> Arnia, looks like it
[07:59] <epicenter> whiskey_2: No
[07:59] <epicenter> still ext3
[07:59] <epicenter> no orther changes made
[07:59] <epicenter> only platform
[07:59] <whiskey_2> epicenter, what does /etc/fstab say on your hard drive.
[07:59] <Amaranth> !lilo! Added firewall to new main rotation server.  Results not all we had hoped.
[07:59] <Arnia> Its great... the semantics of the language are naturally left recursive :p
[07:59] <Amaranth> ^^ That's why. :)
[07:59] <epicenter> ext3. Which I explicitly picked.
[08:00] <whiskey_2> epicenter, this is very very surprising and quite interesting
[08:00] <epicenter> It is
[08:00] <whiskey_2> epicenter, ok...so no change there
[08:00] <epicenter> I'm really shocked myself
[08:00] <epicenter> I can't wait to get sound going and do some media encoding tests
[08:00] <whiskey_2> epicenter, are you using the same video driver
[08:01] <epicenter> and some emulation
[08:01] <epicenter> VESA.
[08:01] <epicenter> yep
[08:01] <thoreauputic> woah
[08:01] <epicenter> lag-fest VESA
[08:01] <whiskey_2> epicenter, are you using the same video driver
[08:01] <thoreauputic> we still have 470 survivors
[08:01] <jsgotangco> only the strong survive
[08:01] <jsgotangco> wahaha
[08:01] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[08:01] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: That was the lost ones coming back, not more splits. :)
[08:01] <whiskey_2> epicenter, well i am truly surprised
[08:02] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah yes, I see now !
[08:02] <Arnia> It just screwed up all my fonts :p
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> hey
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> Where do you change the sound system KDE uses?
[08:03] <lunitik> Arnia: uhh... its easy enough to change the fonts...
[08:03] <whiskey_2> epicenter, well i am glad it is faster for you...but i really am truly surprised to hear that
[08:03] <Arnia> lunitik: It was changing them to match the gnome ones that has screwed stuff up
[08:03] <lunitik> Arnia: so change them to something you like?
[08:03] <Arnia> lunitik: its done something to my subpixel rendering I didn't ask it to
[08:03] <flodine> i dont find reiser to be faster then ext3 true or not or am i crazy
[08:03] <Arnia> lunitik: So its very difficult for me to unpick
[08:04] <lunitik> Arnia: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and turn sub-pixel rendering back on?
[08:04] <Xgates> well Nvidia drivers running but the "screen rez" doesnt give me any options to change it
[08:04] <Arnia> That's what I think I have to do... but it irritates me
[08:04] <thoreauputic> flodine: you're quite sane and objective :)
[08:04] <Xgates> under screen rez I only have 640X480
[08:04] <flodine> so am i right
[08:04] <flodine> ext3 is faster
[08:04] <Amaranth> Xgates: Your monitor sucks. ;)
[08:04] <holy_cow> xgates thats because your monitor sucks
[08:04] <holy_cow> :)
[08:05] <holy_cow> Amaranth, haha
[08:05] <thoreauputic> flodine: depends on file size and stuff ,  afaik
[08:05] <Xgates> no it doesnt
[08:05] <lunitik> thechitowncubs: kcontrol > Sound > Sound System (I think)
[08:05] <Xgates> its a NEC and its DAMM good
[08:05] <Xgates> LOL
[08:05] <lunitik> Not in KDE right now
[08:05] <holy_cow> Xgates, find the correct refresh rates for your monitor and put them in the xorg config file :)
[08:05] <flodine> 30 gig drives
[08:05] <Amaranth> Xgates: How old is it?
[08:05] <Xgates> should I run -->  xorgconfig?
[08:05] <holy_cow> the refresh rates give you the possible resolutions
[08:05] <Xgates> Amaranth, maybe 6 mos is all
[08:05] <Amaranth> hrm
[08:05] <holy_cow> and then you can add resolutions you know it supports manually as well
[08:05] <Amaranth> then it sucks :P
[08:05] <lunitik> Xgates: no... never ever run that under Debian-based systems
[08:06] <holy_cow> Amaranth, probably install picked refresh rates his moni is not able to deal with well
[08:06] <Xgates> Amaranth, in Slackware the rez settting showed up just fine
[08:06] <Xgates> but in Slackware you do things by hand Im not use to doing this all the GUI way
[08:06] <Xgates> hehe
[08:06] <holy_cow>  Xgates  you can do everythign in debian by hand too
[08:06] <flodine> whats size drive is best for reiser
[08:06] <holy_cow> debian just makes gui easy
[08:06] <lunitik> Xgates: dpkg-reconfigure != the gui way
[08:06] <Xgates> lunitik, never run what?
[08:06] <oska> hey everyone - first time on - just installed - quick question if i can - how do i find the color depth my display is showing?
[08:06] <holy_cow> just config your xorg.config file
[08:07] <Xgates> holy_cow, yea
[08:07] <ben__> is there a "program files" equivelent for Ubuntu? i found it for SuSE (in 3 places...), but i can't seem to find it on Ubuntu...
[08:07] <EvilIdler> oska: xdpyinfo
[08:07] <lunitik> Xgates: never run xorgconfig on a Debian based system... it sucks
[08:07] <Amaranth> ben__: Program Files?
[08:07] <holy_cow> ben__, what do you mean program files?
[08:07] <oska> thanks a lot evil
[08:08] <masa> anyone here running kde applications in gnome?
[08:08] <ben__> a file where programs and their files are kept
[08:08] <holy_cow> masa,  i do all the time
[08:08] <flodine> whats size drive is best for ext3
[08:08] <holy_cow> k3b is my fav
[08:08] <ben__> in suse it was /usr/lib, etc...
[08:08] <Agrajag> ben__: a file where files are kept?
[08:08] <whiskey_2> epicenter, i guess those 64bit people really know what they are doing
[08:08] <masa> holy_cow, do you get the cofiguration for the applications correct?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> ben__: you probably mean /usr/bin , but a lot of files end up in /usr/lib and /etc
[08:08] <ben__> shouldn't have used a Windows term...
[08:08] <Agrajag> ben__: almost every unix-like OS does the same thing
[08:08] <holy_cow> masa, what do you mean?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> ben__ and sometimes other places
[08:08] <kangpeh> http://www.aniport.com/public/1113110749.png <-- did you guys see this - does it look OK?
[08:09] <ben__> thoreauputic: thanx
[08:09] <lunitik> Why the hell would anyone use K3B when GnomeBaker is so easy to get your hands on?
[08:09] <Agrajag>  /bin, /usr/bin, and /usr/local/bin hold most binaries
[08:09] <holy_cow> masa,when you install kde apps apt will pull in whatever kde libraries you need, it just works
[08:09] <westyvw> gnomebaker eh? does it handle dvd's?
[08:09] <thechitowncubs> hey, has anyone gotten skype to work in Gnome?
[08:09] <thechitowncubs> cause i haven't?
[08:09] <masa> holy_cow, my problem is that when I'm running konsole (my fav) it forgets which font it should use etc...
[08:09] <thechitowncubs> .
[08:09] <holy_cow> masa, the only thing i do is bring up kcontrol center and pick a theme that is sorta gnomish
[08:09] <thoreauputic> ben__: the functions are split between different directories
[08:09] <Amaranth> lunitik: Doesn't matter, they're just different frontends to the same shitty cdrecord. :)
[08:09] <Xgates> brb
[08:09] <holy_cow> you use konsole in gnome?
[08:09] <lunitik> westyvw: umm... yeah... just have to install dvd+rw-tools  :/
[08:09] <holy_cow> oh thats just wrong dude :)
[08:09] <lunitik> Amaranth: actually, no... both use cdrdao
[08:10] <masa> holy_cow, but do you need to bring up Control Center everytime you start up gnome?
[08:10] <kangpeh> What is GnomeBaker?
[08:10] <kangpeh> I use Graveman...
[08:10] <xi> guys I just install ubuntu ,, how can I use FTP???
[08:10] <lunitik> kangpeh: simular to K3B... only, for GNOME
[08:10] <holy_cow> masa, no just once ... but i don't know how to change konsole fonts and colours ... appologies :-/
[08:10] <kangpeh> lunitik: do u have a website about it
[08:10] <thechitowncubs> GnomeBaker > Graveman
[08:10] <Zotnix> Well... not really accurage.
[08:10] <lunitik> kangpeh: apt-cache show gnomebaker
[08:10] <Agrajag> thechitowncubs: I wouldn't say so, gnomebaker doesn't seem to work for a non-root account
[08:10] <EvilIdler> Since the software is free, just try them all and keep the one you like ;)
[08:10] <Zotnix> Gnomebaker and Graveman are both good but have different goals.
[08:10] <Amaranth> lunitik: Oh, I thought that was a fronend to cdrecord too. :P
[08:11] <thechitowncubs> Anywas, no luck with skype on gnome?
[08:11] <Amaranth> lunitik: Anyway, libburn > * ;)
[08:11] <ben__> any files that i shouldn't over-write transferring Firefox settings from WinXP?
[08:11] <lunitik> Amaranth: not so much
[08:11] <masa> holy_cow, konsole is just an example. Every kde application have strange settings by default. I'll try to start up Control Center and see if it helps when i load a theme.
[08:11] <holy_cow> ben... over write?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: gnomebaker works fine as user here
[08:11] <holy_cow> well just backup all the firefox stuff, but you only want to bring over your bookmarks
[08:12] <kangpeh> isn't NEROBURN available in linux now
[08:12] <kangpeh> heh
[08:12] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: for me, it starts up and then crashes
[08:12] <ben__> holy_cow, i want to transfer over all my settings...
[08:12] <lunitik> kangpeh: its a gtk1.2 app though...  :/
[08:12] <Agrajag> no segfault or anything
[08:12] <Amaranth> ben__: You want to keep /home/<yourusername>/.mozilla/
[08:12] <kangpeh> oh :(
[08:12] <Agrajag> nero is also not free
[08:12] <masa> holy_cow, do you know the difference in installing the kde stuff with apt-get / synaptic and installing kubuntu from the installation cd?
[08:12] <ben__> i know
[08:12] <Amaranth> ben__: You can ditch the rest.
[08:12] <kangpeh> ben
[08:12] <holy_cow> masa, ahh, kcontrol then, give it a try, i've had kde apps sometimes loose icons and things but i always thought it was becasuse i ran sarge so ... right now its all good
[08:12] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: interesting - graveman does that for me ;)
[08:12] <ben__> K
[08:12] <kangpeh> i just copied the entire thing
[08:12] <kangpeh> over from the windows to the linux lol
[08:13] <ben__> had some problems with it in SuSE... i'll see how it goes
[08:13] <holy_cow> masa, there are no differences, kubuntu just loads up a metapackage and ignores gnome
[08:13] <EvilIdler> Nero for Linux is pretty simplistic. It's got an OK interface, but no MD5 checking or any options beyond just recording CDs and DVDs
[08:13] <holy_cow> ben__, ah! well just make sure you have your .mozilla folder backed up ... try and overwrite everything, see what happens
[08:13] <masa> holy_cow, ah thanks, that was the answer I was hoping for ;)
[08:14] <lunitik> EvilIdler: the fact that its gtk1.x is enough to ensure most won't use it...
[08:14] <holy_cow> ben__, i've never actually tried to do 'all my settings' just bookmarks, all the other stuff is like 3 clicks and some of those plugins
[08:14] <epicenter> Crimsun: where do I get that accursed ALSA 1.0.9rc2 pack from again?
[08:14] <EvilIdler> lunitik: That sort of thing doesn't really affect me for a simple program
[08:14] <epicenter> That seems to have been trimmed off by my exceedingly small scrollback buffer
[08:14] <ben__> holy_cow, never done anything to any system without backing up online file storage and CD first ;^)
[08:15] <masa> holy_cow, I get this message: Package kcontrol has no available version, but exists in the database.   Has it been replaced with another package?
[08:15] <holy_cow> ben__, *high five* hehe :) i gotta say it, you never wanna make enemies by having people delete their files
[08:15] <lunitik> masa: still warty? without universe enabled? else that makes no sense...
[08:15] <masa> Installed hoary preview
[08:15] <holy_cow> do you know that some dude in louisiana got killed with an ipod when he deleted his girlfriends illegal mp3's from her ipod?
[08:16] <whiskey_2> epicenter, you should email AMD and tell them that you can really feel a difference between 32bit and 64bit....they will be glad to hear this
[08:16] <holy_cow> its a dangerous thing messing with peoples files :)
[08:16] <lunitik> masa: yeah... kcontrol is in main in hoary... there is no reason you'd get that message..
[08:16] <Amaranth> holy_cow, ben__: This is why you put /home on a different partition. You can wipe the distro without wiping your files and settings.
[08:16] <masa> lunitik, hm, what's going on then....??
[08:16] <lunitik> masa: no idea  :/
[08:16] <holy_cow> Amaranth, lol i learned the value of that last week infact, when i decided to try ubuntu on my office workstation
[08:16] <holy_cow> <-- moron
[08:16] <masa> lunitik, I just made an package database update
[08:17] <ben__> i learned all of that the hard way...
[08:17] <crimsun> epicenter: link on alsa-project.org
[08:17] <ben__> hence- paranoia
[08:17] <westyvw> ah linux
[08:17] <westyvw> ubuntu yet another bunch of work
[08:17] <Amaranth> ben__, holy_cow: Ubuntu does it by default if you let it use the whole drive (let it set things up for you)
[08:17] <westyvw> hotpluggy no see the usb drive, and whats the deal without /mnt
[08:18] <Amaranth> westyvw: We have /media
[08:18] <holy_cow> Amaranth, really?
[08:18] <ben__> westyvw: same problem
[08:18] <holy_cow> no shit!
[08:18] <crimsun> it's LSB compliance
[08:18] <holy_cow> Amaranth, thats awesome
[08:18] <Amaranth> lunitik: The devs got the weekend off, you can wait. :)
[08:18] <lunitik> crimsun: LSB defines FHS?
[08:18] <westyvw> allright, i will edit fstab accordingly and see if that works, is hotlplug included by default
[08:18] <holy_cow> hehehe :) yah man, last week was hard on em
[08:19] <holy_cow> give em 'till wednesday to get back into the swing of things on top of that :)
[08:19] <westyvw> and btw my laptop is no better off then it was in anything else, I will still have to run custom scripts to get the fans working right
[08:19] <luke> how can I restart the gnome-panel?
[08:19] <crimsun> lunitik: afaik, that's a portion, but I could be wrong
[08:19] <holy_cow> luke killall nautilus
[08:19] <Amaranth> luke: Log out and back in is the best way.
[08:19] <holy_cow> or was it killall panel ???
[08:19] <holy_cow> one ofthose two
[08:19] <Amaranth> holy_cow: That doesn't kill gnome-panel
[08:19] <lunitik> luke: pkill -HUP gnome-panel && gnome-panel &
[08:19] <kangpeh> killall gnome-panel
[08:19] <kangpeh> it will restart by itself
[08:19] <holy_cow> oh there you go :)
[08:19] <Amaranth> lunitik: gnome-panel will restart itself
[08:20] <Amaranth> oh, someone else said that
[08:20] <lunitik> Amaranth: not always... specially not with -HUP  :P
[08:20] <holy_cow> now thats what i call a help channel :)
[08:20] <Amaranth> killing gnome-panel is _not_ reccomended
[08:20] <luke> awesome thanks guys :D
[08:20] <westyvw> so if i move the auto config media up higher in the fstab it becomes static right?
[08:20] <kangpeh> nah its ok dont worry hehe
[08:20] <lunitik> Amaranth: cool... but it works
[08:20] <Amaranth> lunitik: It kills GAIM and messes up at least rhythmbox and blam
[08:20] <epicenter> whiskey_1: I think AMD knows :D
[08:21] <Amaranth> lunitik: And probably anything else that uses the notification area
[08:21] <luke> wow this is so much beter than xandros lol the help that is. theres like 6 guys in the channel :P
[08:21] <lunitik> crimsun: last I checked on LSB, it wasn't defining FHS
[08:21] <ben__> good greif... i just lost FF conpletely
[08:21] <lunitik> Amaranth: no it doesn't... they just aren't in the system tray anymore  :/
[08:21] <ben__> *completely
[08:22] <Amaranth> lunitik: blam isn't, rhythmbox is but it's tray icon doesn't work, gaim just dies completely (exits)
[08:22] <lunitik> Amaranth: the apps could care less about that... you don't even have to have a notification area...
[08:22] <Amaranth> oh, and some things on the panel come back weird
[08:22] <kpjones> does anyone how to get sound to play with mp3
[08:23] <lunitik> Amaranth: not here... it just opens up (ie, contact list shows up)
[08:23] <Amaranth> kpjones: enable universe, sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[08:23] <Amaranth> lunitik: You're lucky then.
[08:23] <lunitik> Amaranth: have you actually tried it? cuz little of what you say actually is correct...
[08:23] <Amaranth> lunitik: I do it several times a day, gamin blows.
[08:23] <kpjones> i ran that script
[08:24] <Amaranth> lunitik: So my menu editor changes don't come up until i kill it.
[08:25] <masa> lunitik, hmm... This is not good... Shouldn't it be possible to upgrade to hoary stable from the preview version?
[08:25] <Amaranth> lunitik: One time my clock came up on the other side of my notification area (not called a system tray, that's windows talk)
[08:25] <lunitik> masa: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and you're running hoary release
[08:25] <holy_cow>  that's windows talk  <-- lol and banned
[08:25] <holy_cow> *ahem*
[08:25] <masa> lunitik, do I have strange sources in the /etc/apt/sources-list file?
[08:25] <holy_cow> :)
[08:26] <holy_cow> Amaranth, i've had that in sarge a lot actually
[08:26] <lunitik> masa: umm... prolly not?
[08:26] <Amaranth> holy_cow: The clock applet moving?
[08:26] <whiskey_2> well it looks like there is a lot more to this than merely boasting rights
[08:26] <Amaranth> whiskey_2: ?
[08:26] <masa> lunitik, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:26] <holy_cow> Amaranth, yes, as well as my app shortcuts also
[08:26] <lunitik> Amaranth: blah... 'system tray' = less charactors than 'notification area'  *shrug* ... and you knew what I meant
[08:26] <holy_cow> and sometimes applets
[08:27] <rOss^32> any reason why my alsa sounds like its in SLOWMO ?
[08:27] <whiskey_2> Amaranth, epicenter says 64bits feels much faster than 32bits and this was totally unexpected
[08:27] <holy_cow> additional applets i mean
[08:27] <lunitik> masa: thats normal... they don't upgrade things after release
[08:27] <epicenter> damn right
[08:27] <masa> lunitik, It seems like I have the swedish mirror in my sources.list
[08:27] <crimsun> lunitik: LSB doesn't, no, but it may extend FHS. http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_2.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/execenvfhs.html
[08:27] <rOss^32> its a cool effect but not welcomed
[08:27] <Amaranth> whiskey_2: How could that be unexpected? :)
[08:27] <masa> lunitik, yeah, but it proves that I have successfully upgraded to the stable release, doesn't it?
[08:27] <whiskey_2> Amaranth, well i frankly don't see where the speed comes from...but apparently it is there
[08:28] <epicenter> 64-bit processing is quicker, it's not just higher memory ceilings.
[08:28] <whiskey_2> Amaranth, considering it takes twice as long to load the registers
[08:28] <ben__> OK, working now
[08:28] <ben__> had to manually remove all restrictions from each file
[08:28] <Amaranth> whiskey_2: It's not so much the 64-bit part as the new x86 tweaks (amd64 it just an x86 extension) and extra registers
[08:28] <lunitik> masa: uhh... yeah...
[08:28] <whiskey_2> Amaranth, i don't know...but those 64bit guys really know what they are doing
[08:29] <epicenter> Kind of like SSE or 3DNow but faster speed in integer and float processing
[08:29] <Amaranth> whiskey_2: Err, I don't know what that means.
[08:29] <epicenter> not just multimedia extensions
[08:29] <epicenter> Like an extended instruction set that isn't limited to say, vector processing.
[08:29] <Amaranth> epicenter: k8 should be better than k7, yeah :)
[08:29] <epicenter> yep
[08:29] <epicenter> though core wise they aren't much different
[08:29] <epicenter> K8 is based on K7.
[08:29] <epicenter> The biggest change is the on-die memory controller hub
[08:29] <masa> lunitik, how should a proper sources.list file look like to get kcontrol installed?
[08:30] <Amaranth> It's a k7 with optimizations for x86, the 64-bit extensions, more registers, etc
[08:30] <[ib] > whiskey_2: actually, instead of pushing/poping register values onto the stack all the time you can just keep them in the new registers = speed up
[08:30] <lunitik> masa: its in main... so its pretty unlikely you don't have it...
[08:30] <epicenter> Things will be quicker for apps WRITTEN for 64-bit CPUS
[08:30] <epicenter> rather than later recompiled for them
[08:30] <epicenter> especially apps written in low-level x64 ASM.
[08:30] <whiskey_2> [ib] , well however they did it...people seem to notice a difference and not arbitrarily concocted statistics
[08:31] <epicenter> I am an advocate of denying the validity of 'by the seat of your pants' testing
[08:31] <masa> lunitik, deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[08:31] <icebalm> whiskey_2: the speed increases for 64bit apps is real
[08:31] <Amaranth> epicenter: You aren't smarter than gcc. Most people aren't.
[08:31] <epicenter> but this is too appalling a speed increase to deny Even with an eye as skeptical as mine
[08:31] <whiskey_2> icebalm, apparently so
[08:31] <masa> lunitik, like that?
[08:31] <epicenter> yes, but GCC has no creativity.
[08:31] <crimsun> appalling or appealing?
[08:31] <Amaranth> epicenter: You'd be surprised.
[08:31] <Mischung> Need some password help--not the "where is my root" variety. Installed Hoary just fine but can't log in with username and password I entered during install. Suggestions?
[08:31] <lunitik> masa: you should have a listing like that ... but that just says 'hoary', not 'hoary-updates' :/
[08:32] <epicenter> An app coded for a 32-bit CPU will run faster rewritten for 64-bit ones, than just compiled for faster.
[08:32] <epicenter> There are optimizations GCC can't apply because they go beyond optimization
[08:32] <epicenter> and into total rewrites of key algorithms
[08:32] <epicenter> like those used for say, MPEG-4 encoding.
[08:32] <icebalm> Mischung: old init=/bin/sh trick and change your password
[08:32] <Amaranth> epicenter: Um, gcc doesn't write algorithms.
[08:32] <masa> lunitik, Ahhh now it works
[08:32] <JavaManiac> how can i connect to a adsl modem but for usb port??
[08:32] <Mischung> icebalm:  Thank you!
[08:32] <epicenter> Amaranth: That's my point :P
[08:32] <masa> lunitik, I didn't have hoary only hoary-updates
[08:32] <masa> lunitik, thnx
[08:33] <epicenter> the fact that GCC can't do that, means a person must. Meaning GCC 'being smarter' .. isn't all the difference in the world.
[08:33] <KoMpLoT> Hi, I've just installed ubuntu and would like to know if xfce4 is installed by default because it isn't shown in gdm's sessions options...
[08:33] <JavaManiac> how can i connect to a adsl modem but for usb port??
[08:33] <epicenter> And why we can expect 64-bit apps to be quicker when WRITTEN for 64-bit hardware.
[08:33] <lunitik> masa: that would do it... you still want the hoary-updates part though.
[08:33] <masa> lunitik, now I have kcontrol installed ;)
[08:33] <Amaranth> epicenter: But that has nothing to do with switching to 64-bit.
[08:33] <lunitik> masa: good job  :/
[08:33] <masa> lunitik, sure ;)
[08:33] <ygnome> well done ubuntu! Cleanest no-cd-drive install I've ever done!
[08:33] <martinjh99> komplot> apt-get install xfce4
[08:33] <epicenter> Right now it doesn't.
[08:33] <Amaranth> epicenter: gcc figures out how to use the registers, the algorithm is written in C
[08:33] <lunitik> ygnome: devels aren't around... so congratulations are useless right now  :(
[08:34] <Amaranth> epicenter: I don't know if I've said this enough yet but AMD64 is just an x86 with 64-bit extensions. :)
[08:34] <icebalm> epicenter: I think Amaranth means gcc is smarter than you at compiling C code into machine language and taking proper advantage of the new instruction/register set
[08:34] <Amaranth> icebalm: Exactly.
[08:34] <Amaranth> There is no need to writen x86-64 ASM for 99.99999999999999% of your applications.
[08:35] <Amaranth> Probably more than that, actually. :)
[08:35] <ygnome> lunitik: thanks for the cold water. Would you like ice with that?
[08:35] <icebalm> recompile should be fine
[08:35] <lunitik> ygnome: sure, if you're offering?
[08:35] <masa> lunitik, thanks for the help.
[08:35] <epicenter> There are a lot of people who would argue with you on that; I'm one of them. But I have to try and unfuck my audio ;D
[08:36] <Amaranth> epicenter: It all comes down to gcc being smarter than you are producing machine code for the AMD64. :)
[08:36] <crimsun> historically the trend has pushed toward more efficient compilers
[08:36] <epicenter> I'm saing if the code was written in x86-ASM already
[08:36] <epicenter> a lot of components in programs that need maximum speed are.
[08:36] <martinjh99> Guys anyone know how to change the default browser to Mozilla in KDE?
[08:36] <epicenter> e.g. the looped encoding functions in an MPEG encoder as I mentioned earlier
[08:36] <icebalm> who writes in straight ASM anymore unless you're doing seriously low level stuff?
[08:37] <epicenter> Speed fanatics
[08:37] <libben> whats the diffrence between mozilla and firefox?
[08:37] <Amaranth> epicenter: Let me know we you rewrite GNOME in asm
[08:37] <lunitik> martinjh99: set it in File Assosiations in kcontrol
[08:37] <deFrysk> martinjh99, /j #kubuntu
[08:37] <libben> i thought they were the same
[08:37] <epicenter> Firefox is a branch-off from Mozilla.
[08:37] <epicenter> Firefox stresses higher speed and usability
[08:37] <Amaranth> Mozilla suite is dead
[08:37] <epicenter> Mozilla stresses standards and practices :P
[08:37] <epicenter> and .. yes, is dead.
[08:37] <lunitik> martinjh99: I think its under KDE Components
[08:37] <martinjh99> Thanks guys... :)
[08:37] <Chaotic_Reality> anyone know if it's possible to specify an alternate port in evolution?
[08:37] <libben> anyone played flightgear?
[08:37] <Chaotic_Reality> for outgoing mail
[08:37] <lunitik> Amaranth: bah, not yet  :P
[08:38] <epicenter> Amaranth: if you read what I said, you'd see only bits and pieces of things are ASM Now. Like a looped encoding function. Never a whole program.
[08:38] <Amaranth> Firefox stresses speed, usability, and standards. Don't know what you mean by practices.
[08:38] <epicenter> Idealism :P
[08:38] <epicenter> See: Slow and old crap no one wants to use now
[08:38] <drspin> evenin all
[08:38] <epicenter> also see: Anything a user nowadays would find "cumbersome and no longer practical"
[08:38] <lunitik> And, Gecko supports many IE-ism's, so it doesn't stess standards very much  :/
[08:38] <epicenter> It's just easier to say 'old'.
[08:38] <Amaranth> epicenter: The only time ASM is used is when you're doing embedded stuff.
[08:39] <epicenter> There are some exceptions
[08:39] <Amaranth> epicenter: for 99.99999999999999999999999% of applications
[08:39] <epicenter> But most of the time you don't see it on desktop programs
[08:39] <epicenter> you love that number, you know that? ;)
[08:39] <Amaranth> Most of the time you don't see it at all, because people know gcc is smarter than them and that developer time is worth more than machine time.
[08:39] <lunitik> sufferer: don't irc as root
[08:39] <crimsun> In my research area, only kernels are hand-tuned, and even that's extremely niche. All of our scientific programs use a HLL.
[08:40] <drspin> I have a couple questions -- first of all shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[08:40] <drspin> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[08:40] <drspin> hw_random hardware driver 1.0.0 loaded
[08:40] <drspin> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: Unlink after no-IRQ?  Different ACPI or APIC settings may help.
[08:40] <drspin> usb 1-1: khubd timed out on ep0in
[08:40] <drspin> Those are errors that occur with hotplug...
[08:40] <deFrysk> ermmm #flood ?
[08:40] <crimsun> drspin: do you have PCI Express?
[08:41] <drspin> crimsun: no
[08:41] <sufferer> lunitik, yeah
[08:41] <crimsun> drspin: then disregard them.
[08:41] <sufferer> I don
[08:41] <sufferer> t care any more :-)
[08:41] <lunitik> drspin: add shpchp and pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklilst
[08:41] <sufferer> my system is hosed
[08:41] <lunitik> drspin: add shpchp and pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:41] <drspin> crimsun: ok -- thanks :)
[08:41] <drspin> sorry bout the flood BTW...
[08:42] <drspin> didn't think first...
[08:42] <drspin> lunitik: thanks man :)
[08:42] <lunitik> drspin: if you add those to blacklist, they won't come up as errors during boot...
[08:43] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  How can I determine on the command line if the WEP key I have set is correct (without waiting for dhclient to time out)?  Any ideas?
[08:43] <epicenter> I enabled universe and nothing that was before is coming up. WTF?
[08:43] <epicenter> I can't get VLC, alsa-source, any of the fun stuff.
[08:43] <epicenter> heads will roll for this blasphemy!
[08:43] <epicenter> ... or not
[08:43] <fallstorm> epicenter, did you apt-get update?
[08:43] <drspin> epicenter: apt-get update
[08:43] <epicenter> verily, I did.
[08:43] <luke> anyone heard of kde for ubuntu?
[08:43] <drspin> luke: #kubuntu
[08:43] <fallstorm> luke, #kubuntu
[08:43] <lunitik> luke: yes... #kubuntu
[08:43] <epicenter> forget it, simple problem
[08:43] <epicenter> bwahahahahah
[08:44] <deFrysk> err #kubuntu ?
[08:44] <luke> ok thanks
[08:44] <drspin> np
[08:44] <drspin> LOL "client quit"
[08:45] <libben> when will there be a update for flightgear... man ... love it....
[08:45] <Amaranth> lunitik: Pfft, I don't care. :)
[08:45] <Amaranth> Travis Watkins - Email: alleykat@gmail.com - MSN: amaranth@phphacking.com
[08:46] <Amaranth> spam away, i have spamassassin and thunderbird :)
[08:46] <lunitik> Amaranth: >:|
[08:46] <lunitik> Amaranth: "You have been added to our spam lists, thank you for your interest"
[08:46] <Amaranth> heh
[08:46] <drspin> lmao
[08:47] <Amaranth> i only accept IMs from people in my buddy list, gmail spam filtering has been 99% accurate for me in the 8 months i've had it, etc
[08:47] <epicenter> Is there a good reason my kernel sources would not be included in a fresh Hoary AMD64 install?
[08:47] <Jerub> Amaranth: I find mine quite innaccurate faced with that variety of python-list
[08:47] <epicenter> /usr/src/linux is nonexistant and alsa-source is whining.
[08:47] <Jerub> Amaranth: I get 5-6 false positves a week.
[08:47] <lunitik> epicenter: because users have no use for source
[08:48] <epicenter> well, it was there last time :P
[08:48] <dimatrod> ok, im a complete noob on linux, so ill get this over with:  how do you install .tgz files on ubuntu?
[08:48] <crimsun> epicenter: you don't use /usr/src/linux. Install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:48] <Amaranth> Jerub: I had a couple from pearpc-devel when I first got it, marked one as not spam and now they all work fine.
[08:48] <lunitik> epicenter: 'apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10'
[08:48] <Amaranth> Jerub: Thus 99 and not 100. :)
[08:48] <epicenter> I'll have to point it to a different dir, I assume.
[08:48] <epicenter> It defaults to /usr/src/linux.
[08:49] <fallstorm> dimatrod, what you downloaded is a source package
[08:49] <lunitik> epicenter: do as me and crimsun said
[08:49] <fallstorm> You can unpack it with tar -xzvf filename
[08:49] <crimsun> epicenter: are you using upstream source directly or debianized source?
[08:49] <epicenter> ah
[08:49] <dimatrod> and how do you do that
[08:49] <epicenter> I figured it would throw it somewhere else.
[08:49] <fallstorm> but "installing" it isn't easy and may be beyond your scope at this point, since you proclaimed you're a linux newbie
[08:49] <epicenter> more obscure.
[08:49] <fallstorm> What is it that you downloaded?
[08:49] <epicenter> I don't know how to answer that
[08:49] <epicenter> alsa 1.0.9 rc2's source
[08:50] <crimsun> epicenter: so you're running ./configure manually?
[08:50] <Amaranth> wait, a linux newbie is trying lecture me on asm and gcc? :)
[08:50] <dimatrod> i downloaded divx4linux
[08:50] <epicenter> nah, making a .dbe ...
[08:50] <epicenter> *deb.
[08:50] <cartman> any ETA on breezy development starting?
[08:50] <epicenter> Amaranth: I'm not lecturing you on anything
[08:50] <epicenter> and I've been using debian for 4 years
[08:50] <epicenter> and BSD for 6
[08:50] <dimatrod> yeah, i can't also open my nvidia drivers.deb
[08:50] <crimsun> epicenter: you'll still need KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[08:50] <fallstorm> dimatrod, you should try looking for a package file first. Are you trying to play dvds with ubuntu?
[08:50] <lunitik> cartman: apparently when they get back from break  :(
[08:50] <dimatrod> no, play avi files
[08:50] <cartman> lunitik: when would that be? :/
[08:50] <epicenter> I think that's what I was using
[08:50] <crimsun> cartman: 2-3 weeks
[08:50] <fallstorm> ah
[08:51] <icebalm> epicenter: 4 years of linux and you're a newbie?
[08:51] <cartman> crimsun: oh
[08:51] <cartman> bah
[08:51] <cartman> thats too long
[08:51] <lunitik> crimsun: gdi... thats a long time  :(
[08:51] <epicenter> I was using:
[08:51] <epicenter> ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[08:51] <dimatrod> i installed defilerpak for windows on my comp, and now i need something alike for linux
[08:51] <crimsun> lunitik: well, it was pretty rough going for a long time. I'd say 2 weeks is a nice break.
[08:51] <cartman> dimatrod: what does it do?
[08:51] <Amaranth> cartman: You could offer money to make them start sooner.
[08:51] <epicenter> icebalm: HE said I was, I didn't
[08:51] <dimatrod> defiler pak?
[08:51] <epicenter> it's a codec back
[08:51] <icebalm> epicenter: ahh
[08:51] <lunitik> crimsun: I heard they only got the weekend off?
[08:51] <epicenter> pack
[08:51] <Amaranth> cartman: Otherwise I'd say be happy with what you got. :)
[08:51] <dimatrod> contains almost all video codecds
[08:51] <dimatrod> yeah
[08:52] <dimatrod> pak
[08:52] <cartman> Amaranth: yeah and people could offer me money for fixing KDE bugs :P
[08:52] <epicenter> the sh/sc fave.
[08:52] <vincent> Hi everybody.
[08:52] <dimatrod> i use that
[08:52] <epicenter> hola.
[08:52] <dimatrod> sh/sc
[08:52] <cartman> dimatrod: search for marillat+debian
[08:52] <epicenter> crimsun: That look OK?
[08:52] <dimatrod> but didnt get that much of a help
[08:52] <crimsun> lunitik: I was referring to the uploading :)
[08:52] <Amaranth> cartman: I should start charging $$$ for my menu editor too. :)
[08:52] <vincent> I just signed in really quick because I need some help.  Should I go to a different channel?
[08:52] <cartman> Amaranth: yeah see ;)
[08:52] <KoMpLoT> Hi, I'm trying to 'apt-get install xfce4' and it says that xfce4 package wasn't found
[08:52] <crimsun> epicenter: looks good as long as build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) are installed
[08:52] <epicenter> Compiling now. Odd that I didn't change anything.
[08:52] <KoMpLoT> what can I do?
[08:52] <dimatrod> yeah, and i needed the menu editor for nvidia drivers
[08:52] <crimsun> KoMpLoT: enable universe.
[08:52] <Amaranth> cartman: I could charge $$$$ for PyMusique. :)
[08:52] <dimatrod> but couldnt work it
[08:52] <KoMpLoT> crimsun, how?
[08:52] <lunitik> crimsun: ;)   it only took a few days last time  :(
[08:53] <dimatrod> cause i needed to open a gz
[08:53] <cartman> Amaranth: you are one of PyFoo team?
[08:53] <lunitik> dimatrod: what did you download?
[08:53] <Amaranth> PyFoo team? wtf is that?
[08:53] <KoMpLoT> enable universe shows this error:
[08:53] <martinjh99> komplot> Try editing your /etc/apt/sources.list and enable universe repo
[08:53] <vincent> It's a quick problem--I just need help setting up my gamepad
[08:53] <crimsun> lunitik: I don't know about you, but I'm quite enjoying my weekend break from uploading to universe/multiverse
[08:53] <lunitik> dimatrod: chances are you don't want to install a .tgz
[08:53] <dimatrod> well, anyhow, what can i use to open my avis?
[08:53] <cartman> Amaranth: PyMusique :) lazy to write it :p
[08:53] <KoMpLoT> bash: enable: universe: not a shell builtin
[08:53] <Amaranth> heh
[08:53] <KoMpLoT> alright
[08:53] <epicenter> Dimatrod: VLC is nice
[08:53] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm one of them
[08:53] <dimatrod> k
[08:53] <epicenter> And you don't need drivers
[08:53] <epicenter> VLC has its own.
[08:53] <epicenter> *codecs
[08:53] <epicenter> not drivers
[08:53] <cartman> Amaranth: thumbs up! I am getting an iPod photo soon ;)
[08:54] <icebalm> Amaranth: menu editor did you say?
[08:54] <epicenter> have a lot of cash to throw around, cartman?
[08:54] <lunitik> crimsun: bah... I've been stuck with the same versions for too long... after 4 years with SID, I crave new software  :P
[08:54] <vincent> Anybody?  No?
[08:54] <cartman> epicenter: birthday present
[08:54] <crimsun> KoMpLoT: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[08:54] <Amaranth> icebalm: Yeah, it's in the menu editor forum under 3rd party projects on ubuntu forums
[08:54] <KoMpLoT> crimsun, thanks
[08:54] <Amaranth> cartman: Buy me one. :)
[08:54] <dimatrod> thanks epicenter, im downloading vlc now
[08:54] <cartman> Amaranth: bah go buy a mini :)
[08:54] <crimsun> lunitik: and we'll unleash them
[08:55] <Amaranth> cartman: No job, makes that a challenge. :)
[08:55] <cartman> Amaranth: Port PyMusique to PyKDE and I can see what can I do ;)
[08:56] <epicenter>      dpkg: error processing alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_amd64.deb (--install):
[08:56] <epicenter>  trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/modules.pcimap', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) .. Errors were encountered while processing: alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[08:56] <vincent> Gah.  I'm not trying to get flamed here.  Is there somewhere else I should go to get my gamepad working?
[08:56] <epicenter> is that worth worrying about?
[08:56] <crimsun> epicenter: --force-overwrite
[08:56] <vincent> To get help getting my gamepad to work anyway
[08:56] <dimatrod> which should i choose, a .deb, the tar.gz, or rpm?
[08:56] <drspin> vincent... what is the problem??
[08:56] <Amaranth> cartman: Hehe, I'll do it from $50. ;)
[08:56] <Amaranth> s/from/for/
[08:56] <epicenter> rebooting
[08:56] <crimsun> epicenter: expected problem and thus not critical or even serious.
[08:56] <cartman> Amaranth: lol thats cheap indeed :)
[08:56] <epicenter> Wish me luck.
[08:56] <lunitik> dimatrod: a .deb... ALWAYS a .deb on a Debian-based system
[08:57] <dimatrod> k, thanks
[08:57] <icebalm> drspin: $10 says he says "it doesn't work"
[08:57] <lunitik> dimatrod: you should check with apt-get though whether its already available
[08:57] <vincent> Well:
[08:57] <cartman> Amaranth: ewwww
[08:57] <cartman> :P
[08:57] <lunitik> dimatrod: you still didn't even tell me what you are trying to download
[08:57] <Xgates> boy this is getting OLD
[08:57] <Xgates> lol
[08:57] <drspin> icedid you already help him??
[08:57] <vincent> Im not sure which module to load in order to get gamepad support
[08:57] <dimatrod> lunitil: now im downloading vlc
[08:57] <drspin> icebalm: did you help him already??
[08:57] <vincent> it's an old Gravis gamepad
[08:58] <Xgates> I cant get the friggin Gnome desktop to let me change the resolution, and running xorgconfig then I cant get the gdm to start
[08:58] <icebalm> drspin: no
[08:58] <Xgates> hmmm
[08:58] <drspin> I have a gravis gamepad :)
[08:58] <vincent> heh
[08:58] <lunitik> dimatrod: 'apt-get install vlc' ... it is in universe
[08:58] <vincent> REALLY.  Didn't think anybody had these anymore.
[08:58] <drspin> vincent: mine works fine :)
[08:58] <vincent> I didn't install Ubuntu with it plugged in for some reason or another
[08:58] <drspin> vincent: I do a lot of SNES emulation -- it just happens to be set up with the same BTN configuration
[08:58] <Amaranth> Xgates: Did I mention your monitor sucks? :) It's a pain to explain what to do over IRC when I'm not in front of a linux system.
[08:58] <vincent> That's exactly what I want it for as a matter of fact
[08:59] <vincent> can't get ZSNES to recognize it.
[08:59] <dimatrod> lunitik:  i ran sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:59] <Xgates> Amaranth: it doesnt suck I ran it just fine in Slackware
[08:59] <dimatrod> but didnt get
[08:59] <dimatrod> i
[08:59] <cartman> yeah buy an LCD like me ;P
[08:59] <dimatrod> t
[08:59] <drspin> vincent: sudo ln -s /dev/input/js0 /dev/js0
[08:59] <drspin> vincent: at every boot like clockwork :)
[08:59] <benplaut> the first Hoary review!
[08:59] <benplaut> http://forevergeek.com/articles/ubuntu_504_hoary_hedgehog_review.php
[08:59] <lunitik> dimatrod: enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <Amaranth> Xgates: Did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:59] <lunitik> benplaut: bah... there have already been like 4 that I know of
[09:00] <Amaranth> benplaut: Bad review. I don't think he spent more than an hour using the distro.
[09:00] <cartman> Amaranth: you hate C++ or just KDE?
[09:00] <Xgates> Amaranth: ok let me try that
[09:00] <epicenter> Ah, sound!
[09:00] <epicenter> It's never sounded soundier.
[09:00] <lunitik> Amaranth: debconf is set to priority high ... useless for him
[09:00] <Amaranth> cartman: I don't hate C++ or C, I just prefer Python. :) I just don't like KDE.
[09:00] <cartman> Amaranth: ok good :)
[09:00] <vincent> drspin: I'm relatively new to linux--been using it off and on for a year or so now.
[09:00] <Amaranth> lunitik: d'oh, i thought reconfigure set it to low for that session
[09:00] <epicenter> Crimsun: Thanks a ton for all of your help. I can't thank you enough. :)
[09:00] <drspin> vincent: no worries -- are you using gsnes9x??
[09:00] <drspin> snes9x frontend?
[09:01] <lunitik> Amaranth: nah
[09:01] <dimatrod> lunitik:  it didnt let me, it appears as read only, so it wont let me edit
[09:01] <Amaranth> lunitik: The man pages make it sound like it does. :)
[09:01] <Xgates> brb
[09:01] <vincent> drspin: nope, just zsnes.  I couldn't get snes9x of any flavor to work with my machine
[09:01] <crimsun> epicenter: excellent.
[09:01] <lunitik> dimatrod: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  :/
[09:01] <dimatrod> lunitik:  is there a way to edit .lists through terminal?
[09:01] <drspin> vincent: bummer -- I've been using snes9x for YEARS...
[09:01] <drspin> LOL
[09:01] <drspin> always been the "better" IMHO
[09:02] <drspin> vincent: is your gamepad USB?
[09:02] <vincent> drspin: once i've linked those files, should I reboot to get it to work?  It's still a no go.
[09:02] <drspin> vincent: no reboot
[09:02] <drspin> they may be about the same... snes9x is no longer in development...
[09:02] <drspin> hasn't  been for about a year now...
[09:02] <lunitik> drspin: ahh
[09:02] <drspin> I think...
[09:02] <drspin> unless something changed again :/
[09:03] <vincent> drspin: nope, not USB.  I forget the acronym.  the 15-pin now.
[09:03] <drspin> LOL
[09:03] <dimatrod> lunitik:  error, could not save
[09:03] <drspin> what kind of soundcard?
[09:03] <mcrawfor> yo - installed hoary, it worked great.
[09:03] <lunitik> dimatrod: you typed what I said?
[09:03] <dimatrod> lunitik: yes
[09:03] <vincent> the the VIA crap card that came with the machine
[09:03] <drspin> vincent: what kind of soundcard?
[09:03] <mcrawfor> i was told, though, that a framebuffer bootscreen would come with that upgrade
[09:03] <vincent> 82xx
[09:03] <lunitik> dimatrod: you can't have  :/
[09:03] <mcrawfor> didn't seem to - how can I enable that?
[09:03] <dimatrod> lunitik: it opened the text editor on the sources.list, but was on blank
[09:04] <vincent> drspin: yeah, I use snes9x under Windows, but zsnes worked off the bat for me in Linux
[09:04] <drspin> vincent: ??? paste $lspci |grep audio
[09:04] <lunitik> dimatrod: 'gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'  <-- copy and paste this... sounds like you typed it wrong...
[09:04] <drspin> vincent: I didn't have any trouble with it...
[09:04] <drspin> that link is what I had to do to get my gamepad working...
[09:05] <drspin> that's it...
[09:05] <vincent> drspin: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 40)
[09:05] <dimatrod> lunitik thats on terminal, huh?
[09:05] <lunitik> dimatrod: yes
[09:05] <epicenter> It sounds better than windows ...
[09:05] <epicenter> less hiss.
[09:05] <epicenter> How odd.
[09:05] <dimatrod> lunitik: yeah, same as the last time
[09:05] <dimatrod> blank text editor
[09:05] <lunitik> dimatrod: or via 'Run application...'...
[09:06] <lunitik> dimatrod: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <sufferer> how do I get the ubuntu pgp key
[09:06] <sufferer> ... is there a way to import it into update-manager?
[09:06] <mcrawfor> does anyone have a framebuffer boot screen?
[09:06] <crimsun> sufferer: it's installed by default in Hoary
[09:06] <Xgates> what is 128mb in KB?
[09:06] <Xgates> forgot
[09:06] <Xgates> 130.. somthing
[09:06] <dimatrod> lunitik:  now it opened the original text on the terminal
[09:07] <mkerby> Hi everyone
[09:07] <epicenter> I suppose it's time to install the nVidia driver for my 6600GT. Too bad there's no automated way to do that ;)
[09:07] <sufferer> crimsun, I don't have it
[09:07] <crimsun> epicenter: sure there is, and they're already installed.
[09:07] <hondje> Hi.  I just installed Ubuntu, and I forgot to remember / save my keyboard layout. Google was unhelpful, sadly.  Where can I dig around to find which keyboard in Gnome's options matches mine?
[09:07] <dimatrod> epicenter: tell me how to do that, i need to that for mine too
[09:07] <Chaotic_Reality> does anyone know if you can specify a different outgoing server port inside of evolution?
[09:07] <epicenter> crimsun: the newest ones supporting GL and such?
[09:07] <crimsun> epicenter: all you have to do is enable them. See wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:07] <lunitik> dimatrod: cool... now delete '#' at the beginning of the line that states 'universe'
[09:07] <crimsun> epicenter: 7174
[09:07] <zenrox> epicenter,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for nvidia driver install
[09:07] <epicenter> christ
[09:07] <sufferer> crimsun, it's not there since I updated via apt-get
[09:07] <crimsun> sufferer: what's not there?
[09:07] <sufferer> pgp key
[09:07] <lunitik> dimatrod: save and exit  ... then sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install vlc  :/
[09:08] <drspin> WHOA -- this is new.....
[09:08] <sufferer> is it on the site?
[09:08] <drspin> cole@TheDesktop:~ $ gksudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:08] <drspin> (gedit:11498): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[09:08] <crimsun> sufferer: /etc/apt/, look at the gpg-related files
[09:08] <drspin> I had a bunch of screwed up files and had to run fsck when I booted up... possibly destroyed a part of gnome??
[09:09] <dimatrod> lunitik:  how do i save and quit?
[09:09] <hondje> drspin: I just got the same thing
[09:09] <hondje> But gedit ran
[09:09] <lunitik> dimatrod: follow what it says at the bottem of the screen
[09:09] <dimatrod> i feel like a bitch after feeling so usefull in windows
[09:09] <drspin> gedit ran but it hung and didn't open the specified file...
[09:09] <dimatrod> ^x to exit?
[09:09] <drspin> hung when I closed it at least
[09:09] <lunitik> dimatrod: ^ = ctrl
[09:10] <dimatrod> thanks
[09:10] <hondje> drspin: It didn't hang for me, but it didn't open the right file, either.
[09:10] <dimatrod> lunitik:  what was the comand again?
[09:11] <drspin> hondje: did you have to run fsck??
[09:11] <lunitik> dimatrod: sudo nano?
[09:11] <hondje> drspin: No, I just installed this about an hour ago
[09:11] <drspin> hondje: interesting...
[09:11] <enkidu> could someone tell me how to get tree view in nautilus?  This program doesnt look like it has many features so i have to be missing something
[09:11] <dimatrod> sudo nano apt get....
[09:11] <drspin> enkidu: View -> Side Pane
[09:12] <sufferer> crimsun, I know where it is supposed to be
[09:12] <drspin> enkidu: Change the drop-box to tree
[09:12] <sufferer> the key is not there
[09:12] <enkidu> drspin, there is no View -> Side Pane, its not in the menu
[09:12] <lunitik> dimatrod: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list or apt-get update && apt-get install vlc?
[09:12] <crimsun> sufferer: dpkg -l apt|grep ^ii
[09:13] <dimatrod> vlc
[09:13] <hondje> drspin: It does the same for all files, including ones in ~..and I see what you mean about hanging
[09:13] <lunitik> enkidu: Applications > System Tools > File Browser  .... its nautilus, but in a different mode...
[09:13] <sufferer> 0.6.35ubuntu2
[09:13] <sufferer> the key is not in my ring
[09:14] <drspin> hondje: interesting -- lemme reinstall some stuff
[09:14] <drspin> brb
[09:14] <enkidu> lunitik, thanks that works, but how do i get every other instance of nautilus to open like this?
[09:14] <lunitik> enkidu: then, on the side pane... you can change 'information' (the default) to 'tree'
[09:14] <hondje> drspin: I wonder if that would work..this is literally a fresh install, I just switched from debian today
[09:14] <dimatrod> lunitik:  Type 'universe' is not known on line 17 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:14] <sufferer> GPG error
[09:14] <lunitik> enkidu: you want me to show you the gconf key?
[09:14] <drspin> hondje: I'm going to try to reinstall a couple things and see if I can't figure out what it is...
[09:14] <enkidu> lunitik, whats that?
[09:14] <lunitik> dimatrod: what does that line say now?
[09:14] <hondje> Good luck :-)
[09:14] <dimatrod> ..that
[09:14] <sufferer> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF 437D05B5
[09:14] <sufferer> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$ apt-get update && apt-get install vlc
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Type 'universe' is not known on line 17 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$ apt-get install vlc
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$ apt-get install vlc
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:15] <lunitik> enkidu: Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$ sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: Type 'universe' is not known on line 17 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:15] <dimatrod> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[09:15] <dimatrod> diego@jarkorpc:~$
[09:15] <lunitik> dimatrod: gdi... I didn't ask for that... I asked what the line in sources.list says now!!!
[09:15] <crimsun> please use #flood for floods
[09:15] <enkidu> lunitik, wow, i didnt even know that existed, i need to look through more of these programs
[09:16] <dimatrod> same but i erased the universe ##
[09:16] <drspin> hondje: I think it's related to Gconf...
[09:16] <dimatrod> as u told me
[09:16] <vincent> drspin: disconnected accidentally.  sorry.  did i miss anything important?
[09:16] <lunitik> enkidu: /apps/nautilus/preferences  "always_use_browser" ... throw a check on that  :)
[09:17] <enkidu> linitik: sweet thanks
[09:17] <crimsun> sufferer: try using a mirror
[09:17] <hondje> drspin: I'd dig around, but I've never messed with gnome until now...been a e/xfce user :-/
[09:17] <lunitik> dimatrod: bah... paste your sources.list to www.pastebin.com
[09:17] <enkidu> one more question, is there a specific thing to do in irc so that the person you are talking to sees your name as bright yellow?
[09:18] <lunitik> enkidu: enclude there name  ;)
[09:18] <lunitik> their
[09:18] <enkidu> lunitik: just like that?
[09:18] <MistaED> hi
[09:18] <lunitik> enkidu: yup
[09:18] <enkidu> sweet, thanks
[09:18] <enkidu> this has been a big improvement over 3 days ago, when i went through like 5 linux distro's and couldnt get any to work
[09:19] <dimatrod> lunitik: done and done
[09:19] <Xgates> oh well Ubuntu wont behave and I guess I'm back to running Slack
[09:19] <MistaED> loving this ubuntu release guys ;D
[09:19] <jfk303> I get: 'mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed' how can i resolve
[09:19] <Xgates> 5.04 has some real serious issues
[09:19] <Xgates> later and thanks all
[09:19] <dimatrod> i know
[09:19] <flodine> someone tell me why my 10,000 sata are slow on 5.04
[09:19] <enkidu> did anyone ever figure out the sound issues?
[09:20] <flodine> im almost done with 5.04
[09:20] <flodine> to slow
[09:20] <lunitik> dimatrod: gdi dude... thats not what I told you... the line that lists universe and starts with 'deb'  >:|
[09:20] <Amaranth> flodine: is dma enabled?
[09:20] <MistaED> hey can anyone tell me why i can't set reat privelages to non-root accounts in ubuntu 5.04?
[09:20] <flodine> where do i do that
[09:20] <Amaranth> flodine: Do you know the name of the device?
[09:21] <dimatrod> lunitik:  dude, do u have aim or msn or something, id prefer talking there
[09:21] <Amaranth> I'm probably not the best person to get help from right now, I'm not on a linux machine.
[09:21] <MistaED> i've mounted it in fstab /dev/hdb1 to a dir setting it with ro,user
[09:21] <flodine> sil 3112
[09:21] <enkidu> oh real quick, can someone help me with a problem im having at school...they block IRC so i had to come home just to get help for ubuntu
[09:21] <MistaED> but can't read it as a normal user
[09:22] <MistaED> *read
[09:22] <Amaranth> enkidu: CGI::IRC? :)
[09:22] <libben> just ask ur question
[09:22] <flodine> amaranth sil 3112 controller
[09:22] <flodine> for my satas
[09:22] <kevogod> Where can I access the fglrx-control once installed?
[09:22] <enkidu> Amaranth: would i set that up on my own comp or what?
[09:22] <MistaED> this is with ntfs btw
[09:22] <lunitik> dimatrod: http://www.pastebin.com/269547 what it _should_ look like
[09:22] <Get> k, now I have installed ubuntu and got ndiswrapper working, but what swhould I add in wich file for get the wlan card to automatic works each time I start the computer?
[09:22] <kevogod> (Control panel for ATI)
[09:22] <Amaranth> enkidu: To make sure you have access to it, yes.
[09:22] <drspin> are there any known bugs in gksudo on Hoary??
[09:23] <enkidu> Amaranth: I dont have a clue how to go about doing that
[09:23] <Amaranth> drspin: Like what?
[09:23] <sufferer> how will a mirror help?
[09:23] <drspin> cole@TheDesktop:~ $ gksudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:23] <drspin> (gedit:8851): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[09:23] <agabus> where is my x.org config file located?
[09:23] <drspin> on a new install
[09:23] <sufferer> I am downloading everything fine
[09:23] <sufferer> I just continue to get this error W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[09:23] <MistaED> chmod 555 /mnt/ntfs doesn't work for some reason
[09:24] <lunitik> agabus: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:24] <flodine> amaranth how do i do the satas
[09:24] <drspin> MistaED: NTFS is read only on linux
[09:24] <Amaranth> enkidu: google CGI:IRC Login and start trying then. You're looking for one that lets you join your own channels and servers.
[09:24] <MistaED> yeah
[09:24] <Amaranth> flodine: I don't have SATA and I'm not even at a linux machine right now, I really can't help.
[09:24] <MistaED> i want to keep it read only, just normal users can't read it
[09:24] <vincent> drspin: I rebooted (windows habit) to make sure and still no go
[09:24] <enkidu> Amaranth: ok cool, is there any backup plan in case thats blocked to?
[09:25] <drspin> vincent... rebooting won't help ;)
[09:25] <drspin> LOL
[09:25] <Amaranth> enkidu: It won't be, unless they block all websites.
[09:25] <vincent> drspin: I'll check the zsnes channel
[09:25] <drspin> vincent: man zsnes
[09:25] <enkidu> Amaranth: cool, thanks
[09:25] <drspin> vincent: good call
[09:25] <flodine> can some tell me how to enable dma
[09:25] <drspin> flodine: man hdparm
[09:25] <vincent> drspin: haha I know rebooting doesn't help.  But it's a freakin' habit.  Been a windows user till recently.
[09:25] <drspin> vincent: no worries ;)
[09:25] <kevogod> I'm trying to install Unreal Tournament 2004 and for some reason, it is having trouble accessing the installer. Is there anything special I need to do to gain access?
[09:25] <vincent> drspin: thanks anyway though, I appreciate your effort :)
[09:26] <drspin> vincent: no worries
[09:26] <vincent> drspin: catch you later
[09:26] <MistaED> kevogod: sh linux-installer.sh doesn't work?
[09:27] <kevogod> Nope
[09:27] <kevogod> It gives an Input/output error
[09:27] <EvilIdler> kevogod:  Using the installer on the CD/DVD or the downloaded and updated one?
[09:27] <enkidu> does anyone know what would cause the speakers to click when there should be sound, but not do anything else
[09:27] <kevogod> The installer on the CD
[09:27] <MistaED> i just did it today, sudo sh linuxinstaller.sh worked fine under ubuntu
[09:28] <EvilIdler> kevogod: Google for an update, but I suspect your media is bad
[09:28] <MistaED> i have the dvd version
[09:28] <kevogod> Well, it works fine under a Windows installation
[09:28] <kevogod> I find it highly unlikely that just the linux installer is corrupted
[09:29] <EvilIdler> kevogod: I don't - I remember reading about a slightly broken Linux installer on some game..could have been just that
[09:29] <EvilIdler> kevogod: So try a downloaded installer, if you can find one
[09:29] <kevogod> Alright, thanks I'll look for an update
[09:29] <libben> how can i check if my gamepad is working or active? i just plugged it onto my soundcard
[09:30] <libben> gameport
[09:30] <MistaED> kevogod: the latest update isn't an installer unfortunately, it's a tar.bz2 designed to just be extracted over the top of ut2k4
[09:30] <EvilIdler> Kerrap :/
[09:31] <EvilIdler> Copying the installer might work
[09:31] <seven_six_two> wheee...installed kubuntu-desktop too
[09:32] <seven_six_two> not a fan of default menu layout, but whatever
[09:32] <MistaED> lol
[09:33] <MistaED> was someone already trying to send you the installer?
[09:33] <kevogod> How is it at 73% already?
[09:33] <kevogod> No?!?
[09:33] <MistaED> yeah, odd
[09:33] <seven_six_two> anyone know of issue with sound in totem? something about totem-xine
[09:33] <kevogod> Perhaps Ubuntu is psychic
[09:34] <dphase> seven_six_two, sound of sync with video?
[09:34] <MistaED> unless this is overwriting your own installer from the disc
[09:34] <seven_six_two> no sound
[09:34] <seven_six_two> i have system sounds and musix thru xmms
[09:34] <kevogod> Thanks for sending by the way.
[09:35] <seven_six_two> none with avi in totem
[09:36] <MistaED> anyway i'll ask again :) i've mounted ntfs in the fstab like "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs ro,user 0 0" so every normal user can read it
[09:36] <MistaED> and yet, it doesn't allow it oddly
[09:36] <MistaED> kevogod: no worries, the cd was already in the drive
[09:36] <kevogod> heh
[09:37] <benplaut> can't get my jumpdrive to hotplug...
[09:39] <MistaED> kevogod: you might need to put all the CD files in one clump because this is the installer from the dvd version, not sure if they're the same or not
[09:40] <kevogod> They appear to be the same size
[09:40] <seven_six_two> my totem error is "could not play file:///xxx/xxxx "  "Could not open file for writing"       the file plays fine in kaffiene and xine
[09:41] <waxhead> hey everyone
[09:41] <seven_six_two> sorry it was   "could not open resource for writing"
[09:42] <libben> how can i check or restart my gamepad.... i dont even know if its working
[09:42] <waxhead> where do I find out what sound driver the system sounds are using?
[09:42] <mcrawfor> anyone know how to get a nice, pretty framebuffer boot screen with ubuntu
[09:42] <thenuke_> How do I switch between locales if I have multiple installed?
[09:42] <waxhead> I can't get sound with gmplayer or xmms, but system sounds work
[09:42] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I was having trouble with NetworkManager in hoary and netapplet isn't quite stable or automatic, so I hacked up a little script to take care of wireless for me.  http://www.thecardinal1978.com/ubuntu/wireless-config-0.1.tar.gz  Hope it can be of help to somebody else.
[09:42] <holy_cow> mcrawfor, not yet
[09:42] <kevogod> Hmm. It never showed up
[09:42] <goonie> what is the best tool for connecting to a vpn network?
[09:42] <holy_cow> there is a project under way to have a bootsplash in user space
[09:42] <mcrawfor> holy_cow: hm. someone said that was a hoary feature
[09:42] <holy_cow> for now the only way is to have it as a patch for the kernel
[09:43] <holy_cow> the word is its not supposed to happen in the next releaase, but sometime after that
[09:43] <holy_cow> lots of work
[09:43] <holy_cow> mcrawfor, its not
[09:43] <seven_six_two> libben, >>   http://www.google.ca/linux?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=gamepad&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[09:43] <mcrawfor> wild - gentoo has a little howto that got it going for me
[09:43] <mcrawfor> surprised ubuntu has it so much harder
[09:43] <holy_cow> no, they are rewriting it from scratch
[09:43] <mcrawfor> wonder if the holdup is some snag or a desire to do it in a rigorous "right way"
[09:44] <holy_cow> for ubuntu you are patching kernel i believe
[09:44] <holy_cow> right way yes, they want it in user space
[09:44] <holy_cow> where frankly it belongs
[09:44] <holy_cow> that way debian can get it too
[09:44] <mcrawfor> well, it still has to go into the kernel or the initrd, no?
[09:44] <holy_cow> no not kernel
[09:44] <wezzer-> hey
[09:44] <holy_cow> all userspace
[09:44] <mcrawfor> hm.
[09:44] <wezzer-> mplayer doesn't play dvd's anymore
[09:44] <kevogod> MistaED: Strangely, it never showed up in my download location.
[09:45] <wezzer-> it says "no such device"
[09:45] <wezzer-> after upgrading to hoary
[09:45] <wezzer-> it worked fine in warty
[09:45] <mcrawfor> my understanding of "userspace" makes it hard to understand how a bootsplash could be all userspace
[09:45] <seven_six_two> wezzer, did you link your drive to /dev/dvd  ?\
[09:45] <holy_cow> google for ubuntu and bootsplash and userspace
[09:45] <holy_cow> theres stuff up there that explains how its supposed to work
[09:45] <holy_cow> from what i researched, the kernel doesn't get touched at all in any way
[09:46] <wezzer> seven_six_two: nope
[09:46] <wezzer> how do I do that?
[09:46] <benplaut> ARRGG!!! no matter what i do, this jumpdrive won't work!
[09:47] <benplaut> the light is on, but it isn't "there"
[09:47] <MistaED> that is odd
[09:47] <flodine> help i need more help for my satas anyone
[09:47] <seven_six_two> find out what drive it is   eg   hda2, hda3, hda4
[09:47] <holy_cow> ben_d, maybe it's dead ?
[09:47] <zenrox> mcrawfor,  if its todaly out of the kernel in "userspace" then than means you wont have to recompile a kernel to but in a differnt bootsplash like win2k
[09:47] <Cicada> anybody know where i would find my mplayer conf files
[09:47] <wezzer> seven_six_two: /dev/hdc
[09:47] <zenrox> but=put
[09:48] <libben> not sound like a assh*le... but i booted horay pre live cd... and everything worked out of that... usb, wifi, stealing neighbours wlan was even easier... bla bla.. list can go wrong... i feel for u all when u have so much troubles
[09:48] <mcrawfor> zenrox: i see, so the content is userspace, but isn't the framebuffer driver and code that pulls the splash content going to need to be in the kernel or initrd?
[09:48] <libben> wonders what would happend if i putted ubuntu onto xbox.
[09:48] <libben> hmm..
[09:48] <seven_six_two> then     sudo ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd
[09:48] <zenrox> mcrawfor,  yep
[09:49] <goonie> can anyone tell a newbie what is the best way to connect to a vpn network? the plan is to eliminate all need for a windows machine at home.
[09:49] <wezzer> seven_six_two: whipee, it works! Thanks :)
[09:49] <seven_six_two> np
[09:49] <Cicada> anybody know where i would find my mplayer conf files
[09:50] <zenrox> Cicada, ~/.mplayer/
[09:50] <seven_six_two> goonie, search for vpn in synaptic
[09:50] <Cicada> yay thanks
[09:51] <flodine> is there a easy way to activate my satas
[09:52] <flodine> ubuntu has been perfect till now
[09:52] <Smeve1> is there a amd64 ubuntu channel anywhere?
[09:52] <flodine> no one has sata here
[09:52] <seven_six_two> not me, sorry
[09:52] <Smeve1> nope :(
[09:52] <kevogod> I have an SATA hard drive.
[09:53] <kevogod> *a
[09:53] <flodine> fedora is calling me back shit
[09:53] <flodine> my satas suck
[09:53] <seven_six_two> lol. there is a way, i'm sure of it
[09:54] <seven_six_two> sata raid?
[09:54] <flodine> no
[09:54] <Smeven> flodine: ubuntu isnt perfect
[09:54] <flodine> i know
[09:54] <kevogod> Ubuntu is human
[09:54] <flodine> but my drivs are slow
[09:54] <seven_six_two> a chance to learn
[09:55] <flodine> i moved some muic files to a second drive it took a 1 hour
[09:55] <flodine> on fedora 1 min
[09:55] <Smeven> the ipod works so nice in linux
[09:55] <seven_six_two> i've had copies stall from one drive to another
[09:55] <flodine> what the f up with that
[09:55] <poningru> where is the install thing in hoary?
[09:55] <goonie> seven_six_two, thx.. nothing really jumped at me as a simple tool but I'll figure it out
[09:56] <kevogod> flodine: That is strange
[09:56] <seven_six_two> goonie, there was 2 clients in my list. is that what you want? or a vpn server?
[09:56] <fitheach> hi everybody
[09:56] <flodine> yeah
[09:56] <flodine> and didnt have to do nothing with fedora
[09:57] <goonie> client.. preferably a user friendly graphical one if possible
[09:58] <seven_six_two> poningru, add/remove programs is in one of your menus, and the advanced button should load synaptic
[10:01] <seven_six_two> goonie, openvpn looks like its worth a shot. or you can look on sourceforge for a better one
[10:02] <jibrael> openvpn is for the win
[10:06] <Get> What do "Hibernate the computer"?
[10:06] <seven_six_two> goonie, kvpn
[10:07] <seven_six_two> lol nevermind. it's pre-alpha
[10:07] <poningru> thats the thing
[10:07] <poningru> I cant find synaptic
[10:07] <poningru> its not under system->admin
[10:08] <seven_six_two> you're in gnome?
[10:08] <poningru> yeah
[10:08] <ice_1963> well yes
[10:08] <seven_six_two> its in a sub menu off the menu beside your main menu
[10:08] <guru3> does the powerpc install iso contain a 2.4 kernel?
[10:09] <seven_six_two> applications,  ***, system
[10:09] <seven_six_two> or whatever the name is
[10:10] <seven_six_two> poningru, or open console and    sudo synaptic
[10:11] <L3g3ndZ> im having a very weird problem with the bars panel
[10:11] <L3g3ndZ> they are all white and i cant seem to right click it
[10:11] <seven_six_two> L3g3ndZ, both panels?
[10:12] <L3g3ndZ> yes
[10:12] <poningru> wtf
[10:12] <L3g3ndZ> i mean, i had changed it
[10:12] <poningru> synaptic: command not found
[10:12] <L3g3ndZ> add some stuff to them and chaged their location
[10:12] <seven_six_two> ok use aptitude
[10:13] <L3g3ndZ> how can i remove a panel without right clicking on it?
[10:13] <L3g3ndZ> by the console
[10:14] <L3g3ndZ> the problem was that i killed some gnome process's in a previous session, and then after i rebooted everything had dissapeared
[10:14] <seven_six_two> you want to remove the whole panel? i don't know how.you may be able to kill it by finding the panel's PID in "top" and then killing it
[10:14] <seven_six_two> i don't know what it would be called though
[10:14] <L3g3ndZ> hmm, ok
[10:15] <L3g3ndZ> and you know how to create one in the console?
[10:15] <seven_six_two> no
[10:15] <goonie> seven_six_two, kvpn isn't in synaptic.. but i installed a vpn module for webmin so I'm on my way :) thx a million
[10:15] <seven_six_two> hey no prob. good luck
[10:15] <L3g3ndZ> this is really bad
[10:15] <L3g3ndZ> i cant seem to figure out what are the processes to kill
[10:15] <seven_six_two> goonie, i discovered after that kvpn is pre-alpha, so you wouldn't want it anyhow
[10:16] <L3g3ndZ> do you think they would be under root or my user?
[10:16] <seven_six_two> why did you kill processes before?
[10:16] <L3g3ndZ> because im stupid
[10:16] <L3g3ndZ> :(
[10:16] <L3g3ndZ> and i was trying to figure out something
[10:16] <seven_six_two> haha...well hopefully you have/will learn something from it
[10:17] <L3g3ndZ> yes! thats the positive side
[10:17] <L3g3ndZ> when this is over, i will be a desktop guru
[10:17] <seven_six_two> do you get errors when gnome starts?
[10:18] <L3g3ndZ> no
[10:18] <L3g3ndZ> it justs, simply, doesnt put anything in the panel, the clock, etc, everything is gone
[10:18] <seven_six_two> but both bars appear blank?
[10:18] <L3g3ndZ> just some white striped
[10:18] <L3g3ndZ> yes
[10:18] <Cspnico> hiiii
[10:18] <seven_six_two> what happens if you right click on the bottom panel?
[10:18] <L3g3ndZ> i think i killed the bars content..
[10:18] <Cspnico> root@ubuntu:/home/cspnico # sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:18] <Cspnico> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[10:18] <Cspnico> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[10:18] <Cspnico> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[10:18] <Cspnico> command:
[10:18] <Cspnico> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[10:18] <Cspnico> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[10:18] <L3g3ndZ> nothing happens
[10:18] <Cspnico> from nv to nvidia.
[10:19] <Cspnico> it s the error when i install nvidia driver
[10:19] <Cspnico> what i must do?
[10:19] <Cspnico> i hear that i must restartx but when?
[10:19] <Cspnico> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:19] <seven_six_two> try now
[10:20] <Cspnico> ad after to restart x
[10:20] <seven_six_two> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[10:20] <seven_six_two> Cspnico from nv to nvidia
[10:20] <Cspnico> i do what?
[10:20] <Cspnico> seven_six_two>i do that but then x dosn t starts
[10:20] <benplaut> ubuntu is human
[10:21] <benplaut> and human is prone to err
[10:21] <Cspnico> yes bad catch sentences :x
[10:21] <seven_six_two> have you tried md5sum?
[10:22] <Cspnico> seven_six_two>i dosn t understand this step
[10:22] <Cspnico> what un must to do?
[10:22] <Cspnico> i do what of the md?
[10:22] <Cspnico> i do what of the md5?
[10:22] <seven_six_two> enter this at the console:
[10:22] <Cspnico> i paste him in /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[10:22] <seven_six_two> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[10:23] <Cspnico> yes that works
[10:23] <Cspnico> i has do that before but on 2 lines
[10:23] <enkidu> Ok so i have a simi-large problem here, my /boot partition is too small, is there any way to increase its size without messing up data on other partitions?
[10:23] <AndyFitz> hi guys,  just wondering what the location of the 3rd party repos are.  for things like libavcodec etc
[10:24] <Cspnico> A backup of xorg.conf has been stored as:
[10:24] <Cspnico> /var/backups/xorg.conf.2005-04-10-10:23:14.
[10:24] <Cspnico> If the new configuration will not work you will be able to
[10:24] <Cspnico> revert the changes simply using this command:
[10:24] <Cspnico> cp /var/backups/xorg/xorg.conf.2005-04-10-10:23:14 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:24] <Cspnico> dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file;
[10:24] <Cspnico> xserver-xorg/config/monitor/identifier not set.  Aborting.  Reconfigure the X
[10:24] <Cspnico> server with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to correct this problem.
[10:24] <Cspnico> warf
[10:24] <Cspnico> what's this error is?
[10:24] <seven_six_two> run at console
[10:24] <Cspnico> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:25] <seven_six_two> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:25] <Cspnico> this?
[10:25] <seven_six_two> yes
[10:25] <Cspnico> and i chose nvidia?
[10:25] <seven_six_two> i don't know what the question is
[10:26] <seven_six_two> your error stated that your monitor identifier was not set
[10:26] <Cspnico> root@ubuntu:/home/cspnico # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:26] <Cspnico> /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[10:26] <Cspnico> cp: cannot stat `/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[10:26] <seven_six_two> use sudo
[10:26] <seven_six_two> sudo dpkg-reconfig................................
[10:27] <Cspnico> i m fool
[10:27] <Cspnico> really sorry
[10:27] <seven_six_two> lol. no worries. everyone is new sometime
[10:27] <Cspnico> root@ubuntu:/home/cspnico # sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:27] <Cspnico> /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[10:27] <Cspnico> cp: cannot stat `/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[10:27] <hondje> When I add Section "Extensions" to xorg.conf, vim doesn't recolor it yellow, and EndSection gets a big red block around it to show that it's unmatched....am I missing something?
[10:28] <visjes> nope
[10:28] <visjes> vim's highlight file just doesn't recognise Extensions
[10:28] <hondje> oh, whew :-)
[10:28] <onkarshinde> Please help me. Totem player doesn't show any video. Instead it shows visualisation when movie is played
[10:28] <sgtbash|`way|> hi all
[10:28] <visjes> try installing totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer
[10:28] <visjes> and also w32codecs
[10:29] <Cspnico> seven_six_two>xorg.conf is empty
[10:29] <sgtbash|`way|> pls someone could help me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25400
[10:29] <onkarshinde> visjes: was your instruction for me?
[10:29] <visjes> yes
[10:29] <seven_six_two> are there any other files with close to that name? in /etc or /etc/X11
[10:29] <visjes> sudo apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs
[10:30] <seven_six_two> Cspnico, i use xfree so i can't help you much more
[10:30] <Cspnico> xorg.conf~
[10:30] <Cspnico>                xorg.conf1
[10:30] <Cspnico>                  xorg.conf.md5sum
[10:31] <seven_six_two> i don't know why it won't create one if there isn't one
[10:31] <visjes> just copy the ~ file and have it use that?
[10:31] <visjes> or what happens if you just touch the file
[10:31] <sgtbash|`way|> i need help, does anybody know how to install linux on existing raid0 ?
[10:31] <seven_six_two> is that the backup?
[10:31] <Loki_VA> hi all
[10:31] <visjes> the ~ file is the backup yes
[10:31] <enkidu> is there any way to resize partitions without messing up data on them?
[10:32] <visjes> i think qtparted can do that
[10:32] <johnston> hi
[10:32] <seven_six_two> Cspnico, try mv xorg.conf~ xorg.conf
[10:32] <visjes> goto http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ and look for "installing additional applications".. in there is how to install qtparted
[10:33] <seven_six_two> and then startx
[10:33] <Cspnico>  seven_six_two<yes i do c
[10:33] <Cspnico> p
[10:33] <enkidu> visjes: it doesnt come up in the package manager
[10:33] <visjes> check the ubuntu guide, you probably have to add some additional repositories.. all the info is there
[10:33] <enkidu> ok
[10:33] <Cspnico> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[10:33] <Cspnico>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200504101033
[10:34] <Cspnico> it s okay now?
[10:34] <enkidu> i think its just called parted?
[10:34] <seven_six_two> ???????????????/
[10:34] <seven_six_two> yes
[10:34] <Cspnico> A backup of xorg.conf has been stored as:
[10:34] <Cspnico> /var/backups/xorg.conf.2005-04-10-10:34:25.
[10:34] <Cspnico> If the new configuration will not work you will be able to
[10:34] <Cspnico> revert the changes simply using this command:
[10:34] <Cspnico> cp /var/backups/xorg/xorg.conf.2005-04-10-10:34:25 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:34] <Cspnico> Warning: your X configuration has been succesfully changed.
[10:34] <Cspnico> In order to take full advantage of the changes, X needs to
[10:34] <Cspnico> be restarted.
[10:34] <Cspnico> perfect
[10:35] <onkarshinde> Has anyone faced problem with Modem Monitor applet? It says I need root privileges to use it.
[10:35] <rijad> hmm, where do the apps i install on ubuntu hide them selfs? can't find them on the "start-menu"
[10:35] <Cspnico> thanks a lots
[10:35] <seven_six_two> i doubt it, but it's my bedtime, so i'm going now
[10:35] <seven_six_two> Cspnico, did x start?
[10:35] <Cspnico> Option            "RenderAccel?"           "true" Option            "NvAGP?"                 "1"
[10:35] <seven_six_two> rijad, you will have to add some manually with   menu-edit
[10:35] <Cspnico> before i put aceel graph
[10:36] <visjes> NvAGP should be 3
[10:36] <Cspnico> this line i put in the end of file of of the section?
[10:36] <enkidu> um should i boot from an install cd before i used parted?
[10:36] <seven_six_two> if you say so. most options are good at default if you don't undersatnd
[10:36] <rijad> whee do i find menuedit? :S
[10:36] <visjes> if you don't specify the option it defaults to
[10:36] <visjes> 3
[10:36] <visjes> 3 means it will try its agp first, then fall back to agpgart or something like that
[10:37] <seven_six_two> rijad, it was in synaptic for me
[10:37] <ice_1963> for get chat get bzflag game =)
[10:37] <Cspnico> bu i put where this line?
[10:37] <visjes> below Driver "nvidia"
[10:37] <visjes> in that section
[10:38] <seven_six_two> isn't there an xorgconfig?
[10:38] <rijad> ok, i'll take a look
[10:38] <Cspnico> oki
[10:38] <Cspnico> i restart x
[10:38] <Cspnico> see ya
[10:38] <Cspnico> ++
[10:38] <Xeon3D> is there any bandwidth limiter for normal apps?
[10:38] <Cspnico> and thanks everybody
[10:38] <seven_six_two> cool
[10:39] <sgtbash|`way|> is anyone able to help me pls? i need my linux :
[10:39] <seven_six_two> maybe
[10:39] <ice_1963> i got my fix lol
[10:39] <onkarshinde> sgtbash|`way|: What is your problem?
[10:39] <sgtbash|`way|> ere any bandwidth limiter for normal apps?
 and thanks everybody
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[10:39] <sgtbash|`way|> * enkidu has quit IRC ("Leaving")
 i got my fix lol
[10:39] <sgtbash|`way|> oh my god sorry
[10:40] <catalin> what's the settings for subtitles on xine?
[10:40] <seven_six_two> lol
[10:40] <catalin> i cant get subtitles
[10:40] <cowbud> ror
[10:40] <meta> video playback on ubuntu = green "noise" for totem and xine playing various divxes after I installed codecs, something to do with my graphics card?
[10:40] <rijad> damn, can't find it
[10:40] <meta> intergrated prosavage8 or something, not nvidia (not main machine.. don't laugh)
[10:41] <ice_1963> i jest got don playing bzflag to fun =)
[10:41] <ice_1963> lol
[10:41] <sgtbash|`way|> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=57 i left the link here if someone want to take a look
[10:42] <catalin> what's the settings for subtitles on xine?
[10:42] <FreezerX> What happened to the documentations at ubuntulinux.org. Many docs like the helpcenterhowtos are not served anymore
[10:42] <visjes> ubuntuguide.org?
[10:43] <FrankK> hi gang
[10:44] <FrankK> can anybody help me install a wiki in ubuntu?
[10:44] <eliyahu> zdraveite!ima li nikoi ot BG?
[10:44] <jibrael> well FrankK what wiki is it?
[10:45] <FrankK> moinmoin is installed through synaptic - what do I do next?
[10:45] <kakalto> just my luck, to buy a faulty mp3 player
[10:45] <FreezerX> I want to install nvu but I dont know what source I have to add to the repository.
[10:45] <epicenter> I got a .sh / .run file for Quake 3's demo / linux binary, it's supposed to INSTALL but when I run it, it just tries to echo every line of the shell script to the console. What did I do wrong?
[10:45] <onkarshinde> Has anyone faced problem with Modem Monitor applet? It says I need root privileges to use it.
[10:45] <meta> hmm sound on movs plays though xine, but all video in the box is just green, strange
[10:45] <vinsee> does anybody know how to input chinese
[10:45] <vinsee> on ubuntu?
[10:46] <ice_1963> not me
[10:47] <vinsee> thanks ice
[10:47] <catalin> have a question
[10:47] <catalin> i download a movie
[10:47] <catalin> and to see it must extract archive
[10:47] <catalin> and then play
[10:47] <jibrael> what movie
[10:48] <jibrael> and what archive
[10:48] <jibrael> heh
[10:48] <catalin> after i seen it and want to see again must back extract from archive
[10:48] <FreezerX> jibrael, :-) "what movie"
[10:48] <jibrael> :P
[10:48] <catalin> can i save and just open with xine without extracting?
[10:48] <epicenter> I keep getting the error, "The setup program seems to have failed on x86_64/glibc-2.0
[10:48] <epicenter> " What the hell? I have glibc!
[10:48] <jibrael> well catalin piping is your friend
[10:48] <onkarshinde> Has anyone faced problem with Modem Monitor applet? It says I need root privileges to use it.
[10:49] <Cspnico> r
[10:49] <Cspnico> e
[10:49] <Cspnico> they doesnt work
[10:49] <L3g3ndZ> oh man,im really in trouble
[10:49] <jibrael> i would just extract the movie tho and leave it that way
[10:49] <catalin> what is piping jibrael?
[10:49] <jibrael> like so
[10:49] <Cspnico>  (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[10:49] <Cspnico> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
[10:49] <Cspnico> (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
[10:49] <Cspnico> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[10:49] <jibrael> tar -xvzf mymovie.tar.gz | mplayer
[10:50] <jibrael> hey Cspnico
[10:50] <jibrael> did u by chance upgrade from warty?
[10:50] <onkarshinde> Has anyone faced problem with Modem Monitor applet? It says I need root privileges to use it.
[10:50] <L3g3ndZ> does anyone know how to remove / add panels in the console?
[10:50] <catalin> jirael how can i read subtitles on movie?
[10:50] <L3g3ndZ> from the console i mean
[10:50] <Cspnico> i uprgrade warty >hoarty ys
[10:50] <Cspnico> why?
[10:50] <jibrael> Cspnico: i had the same problem
[10:51] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: right click on an empty space in a panel and select new panel
[10:51] <jibrael> Cspnico: u had nvidia drivers install on warty?
[10:51] <Cspnico> i chose the wrong kernel?
[10:51] <onkarshinde> Has anyone faced problem with Modem Monitor applet? It says I need root privileges to use it.
[10:51] <Cspnico> no
[10:51] <FreezerX> L3g3ndZ doesnt have a mouse :-)
[10:51] <Cspnico> i had nt install them
[10:51] <onkarshinde> HELP ME. Has anyone faced problem with Modem Monitor applet? It says I need root privileges to use it.
[10:51] <zanaga> ouch
[10:51] <L3g3ndZ> no man, i have my bars all screwed up
[10:51] <L3g3ndZ> i cant right clink on them
[10:51] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: one sec then..
[10:52] <L3g3ndZ> and they are all white, without anything
[10:52] <L3g3ndZ> they are nwo just some white stripes, and i tried to remove gnome panel, but when i reinstalled they stayed the same
[10:52] <jibrael> Cspnico: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[10:52] <onkarshinde> PLEASE HELP ME. :'( Has anyone faced problem with Modem Monitor applet? It says I need root privileges to use it.
[10:52] <Cspnico> jibrael:>he are installed
[10:52] <Cspnico> but if i want on them
[10:53] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: ah.. so they hung. i've seen that before.
[10:53] <L3g3ndZ> even with a complete removal, it stayed there after the fresh installation
[10:53] <Cspnico> its the drivers of my modem who dosn t work
[10:53] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: have you tried killing panels and letting them restart?
[10:53] <L3g3ndZ> yes, because i killed some gnome processes that i shouldnt , and now i have to take them from there, and put some new ones
[10:53] <jibrael> ur modem fails if u load with nivdia kernel?
[10:53] <Cspnico> and how i can do for that i do an startx i kan chosse kde?
[10:53] <L3g3ndZ> kill panels form the console?
[10:54] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: yeah
[10:54] <Cspnico> jibrael>no with 2.6.5 kernel
[10:54] <Cspnico> he is for 2.6.3
[10:54] <L3g3ndZ> i can't figure out what processes to kill
[10:54] <libben> why do i get alot of code errors when trying to pick the fancy gdesklets ?
[10:54] <libben> some works... but just a few.
[10:54] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: it should be just gnome-panel (killall gnome-panel)
[10:54] <L3g3ndZ> because some, need other gdesklets installed
[10:54] <jibrael> Cspnico: u need to install kubuntu packages then u can choose kde
[10:54] <L3g3ndZ> ok, ill try
[10:54] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: or if you want to be sneaky, try pkill panel
[10:55] <Cspnico> . jibrael:>i can chosse kde during a normal bottt
[10:55] <Cspnico> boot
[10:55] <libben> L3g3ndZ, u mena i need to run some desklets before... i run those?
[10:55] <Cspnico> but no when i do startx
[10:55] <libben> or are u talking bout installed
[10:55] <carambol> vinsee:http://cls.admin.yzu.edu.tw/cview/ViewChinese.html
[10:55] <L3g3ndZ> nop, didnt wokr!
[10:55] <L3g3ndZ> wokr!
[10:55] <L3g3ndZ> work!! god dammint
[10:55] <L3g3ndZ> they restart has white striped
[10:56] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: sigh..
[10:56] <L3g3ndZ> oh man...
[10:56] <L3g3ndZ> i dont want to install ubuntu from fresh, just because of this
[10:56] <L3g3ndZ> but ive been trying for days..
[10:56] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: i just can't remember how that got fixed
[10:56] <L3g3ndZ> basically, i want to kill the panels from the console
[10:56] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: have you tried removing all settings related to the panels?
[10:56] <L3g3ndZ> and do a fresh install
[10:57] <L3g3ndZ> well, no, i just did a complete removal
[10:57] <L3g3ndZ> where are the config files for the panels?
[10:57] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: ok, do this: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[10:57] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: but be careful, that will remove all settings under /apps/panel without questions
[10:58] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: if you mistype you will loose other settings.
[10:58] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: (mostly gnome settings, but still)
[10:58] <L3g3ndZ> it stayed the same
[10:58] <zanaga> now kill it again
[10:59] <L3g3ndZ> YUPI!
[10:59] <L3g3ndZ> you RULE dude!
[10:59] <zanaga> nice
[10:59] <L3g3ndZ> man, thanks a BUNCH!
[10:59] <zanaga> L3g3ndZ: no problem
[11:00] <L3g3ndZ> is*
[11:00] <zanaga> lol
[11:00] <L3g3ndZ> man, many thanks :)
[11:00] <L3g3ndZ> well, im off to config again :)
[11:00] <FreezerX> hm, there is no Menu Editor in Applications -> System Tools
[11:00] <zanaga> have fun ;)
[11:00] <L3g3ndZ> :D
[11:02] <Jishi> hi guyz
[11:05] <Jishi> hey guzy I am trying to install Ubuntu as a server or expert It keeps installing the GUI why is that? I also can;t see any place which lets me select the packages I want. Can anyone help
[11:05] <Jishi> I am installing Ubuntu on all my machines I have at home...
[11:05] <zanaga> you need to go with the expert setup from the CD
[11:05] <trygvebw> Jishi: Just uninstall all packages you don't want...
[11:05] <jibrael> Jishi: apt-get remove
[11:05] <Jishi> throuigh synaptic?
[11:06] <jibrael> Jishi: if u want to run it as a server without gui u need to use apt
[11:07] <Jishi> yeah thats what I am looking for
[11:07] <vincent> I was here earlier trying to get my gamepad to work in zsnes
[11:07] <vincent> the zsnes channel was no help--it was silent
[11:07] <Jishi> so how do I do it if I want to start over?
[11:07] <zanaga> Jishi: i think you should be able to setup a minimal configuration with the expert setup from the CD.
[11:07] <zanaga> i'm not sure though
[11:07] <vincent> I was told earlier to symlink two files, which I did, but to no avail
[11:07] <jibrael> Jishi: apt-get remove gnome
[11:08] <jibrael> then u have no more gui
[11:08] <vincent> i uninstalled the zsnes package that had been installed and compiled the latest version from source
[11:08] <vincent> still no joystick support
[11:08] <vincent> (it's a simple PCI Gravis PC GamePad)
[11:08] <vincent> any suggestions?
[11:08] <matthias> hello
[11:08] <matthias> question
[11:08] <matthias> xdtv: relocation error: xdtv: undefined symbol: ffvhuff_encoder
[11:09] <matthias> how do i solve this?
[11:09] <jibrael> looks like a library problem matthias
[11:09] <matthias> how do i correct
[11:09] <jibrael> u have the library but its the incorrect version maybe?
[11:09] <Jishi> jibrael thank you I mean this is the second try to install Ubuntu and this was just done... so it's still fresh... If i do a apt-get remove gnome will it be as good as from scratch w/o gnome?
[11:10] <matthias> i think it must have st to do with ffmpeg
[11:10] <jibrael> Jishi: yep
[11:10] <vincent> anybody know what I could do to get zsnes to recognize my joystick?
[11:10] <archangel_X19> hey guys I need a bit of help I'm in failsafe terminal because X-Session cannot read my IceAUTHORITY file
[11:10] <matthias> how do i get to reconfigure it
[11:10] <archangel_X19> and I'm very very lost
[11:10] <jibrael> matthias: yeah try apt-get remove ffmpeg
[11:10] <jibrael> matthias: then reinstall it
[11:10] <matthias> k
[11:10] <matthias> ill try now
[11:11] <Jishi> jibrael okay... thank you .... You help is really appreciated.... I will also be installing it as server for another PC i have... what is the boot command so it installs as a server?
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, that happened to me once. For some reason the permissions changed. You may want to check them
[11:11] <archangel_X19> MyNameIsChris, how do I do that
[11:11] <jibrael> Jishi: i am not sure heh
[11:11] <indypende> can someone help me?
[11:12] <indypende> c' qualche italiano?
[11:12] <archangel_X19> MyNameIsChris, from terminal I mean
[11:12] <Jishi> there were couple of commands in F1 but nonwork they all installed the gnome...
[11:12] <daven> Jishi: ubuntu is more of a desktop o/s, as far as i can see.  for your server, have you considered using debian?
[11:12] <Jishi> anyways thank you guyz
[11:12] <daven> Jishi: this installs quite happily without the gui
[11:12] <daven> Jishi: and without openoffice, evolution, etc, etc
[11:12] <HiddenWolf> daven; ubuntu is debian with improvements. Anything debian has, ubuntu has
[11:12] <indypende> italiani??
[11:12] <daven> Jishi: and you can still use apt-get, and aptitude to install
[11:12] <zanaga> aww.. don't convert people to debian.
[11:13] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, ls -la
[11:13] <matthias> jibrael its still the same
[11:13] <zanaga> i switched my servers from debian to ubuntu because i wanted a stable OS
[11:13] <daven> HiddenWolf, Jishi, it just strikes me that most of ubuntu's improvements are geared towards desktop users
[11:13] <vincent> Anybody at all?  GamePad?  Not working in zsnes/not working at all (any way to check that?)
[11:13] <zanaga> s/OS/dist/
[11:13] <archangel_X19> MyNameIsChris, what am I looking for exactly?
[11:13] <daven> HiddenWolf, Jishi: which is really great :)  because that's where i found debian a bit bare :)
[11:13] <MyNameIsChris> A +r
[11:13] <MyNameIsChris> r rather
[11:14] <eriksti> what's "kubuntu" ?
[11:14] <MyNameIsChris> ls -la Wherever the file is
[11:14] <razor_88> I need help, i can't burn any cd's every time i try it says the device is busy
[11:14] <HiddenWolf> daven, True, but we take all the security / patches / improvements from debian, then add our own to make it better. So it really has everything Debian has in the server arena, and possibly a bit more
[11:14] <flodine> how do i test my hard drive speed
[11:14] <Jishi> daven thank yoiu for the advice...I wanted to install ubuntu because I felt really compfy with it... and learned alot about tlinux from it.... But I guess debian will have similare command right?
[11:14] <HiddenWolf> eriksti, ubuntu minus gnome but with kde
[11:14] <eriksti> aah, thx
[11:14] <jibrael> matthias: remove ffmpeg and xdtv and apt-get install xdtv see if it pulls down a new ffmeg?
[11:14] <Jishi> yeah on all my pc ubuntu dtects all the hardware
[11:14] <Jishi> except my ATI bit got that figured out
[11:14] <archangel_X19> MyNameIsChris, should I "whereis IceAuthority"?
[11:14] <matthias> ill try now
[11:14] <daven> HiddenWolf, Jishi: fair enough :) yes, debian will have the same commands in general, but if hidden wolf knows how to install ubuntu without gui, you may as well stick with it.  debian is a large download
[11:14] <HiddenWolf> Jishi, There is really no advantage to installing debian over ubuntu on the server
[11:15] <flodine> how do i test my hard drive speed please
[11:15] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, Do you get a little popup when you try to start X?
[11:15] <archangel_X19> yea
[11:15] <HiddenWolf> daven, jishi, pop in a cd, then press enter to install with gnome, or type server then enter to install without gnome
[11:15] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, It'll tell you
[11:15] <daven> HiddenWolf, Jishi: ah right - "server" at the boot prompt.  that sounds perfect.
[11:15] <jibrael> HiddenWolf: thanks thats what he was looking for :)
[11:16] <Jishi> HiddenWolf thank you thats nice to hear....I am compy with ubuntu....
[11:16] <archangel_X19> so ls -la <wherever Iceauthority is>
[11:16] <Jishi> HiddenWolf i tried all those command and all installed the GUI
[11:16] <jibrael> i would say that ubuntu is better in most cases than debian, just due to the packages on offer
[11:16] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, That will tell you the permissions
[11:16] <HiddenWolf> daven, jibrael, you never read that? It's on the boot prompt, for gods sake. :)
[11:16] <Jishi> HiddenWolf I was also confused when it happened
[11:16] <jibrael> HiddenWolf: heh :P
[11:16] <flodine> help with hard drive test speed
[11:16] <daven> HiddenWolf: hehe - i've only ever tried installing it as a desktop, and then only twice :)
[11:16] <plod> there a nice tutorial/howto for settig up hoary as an ldap server?
[11:16] <archangel_X19> what do I need to change to get into X?
[11:16] <jibrael> i have actually only ever installed it once lol
[11:17] <jibrael> its been working fine since then
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> jishi, typing server should do just fine. :)
[11:17] <Jishi> yeah did that didn't work for me
[11:17] <Jishi> linux server
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> Just server
[11:18] <eriksti> I am going to upgrade to Hoary from Warty, and wondering if it's possible to get this done without burning a CD .. ? No problem downloading it I just got to run through hoops to get one burned..
[11:18] <Jishi> hmmm okay I think I might have done that can;t recall but I will try again tomorrow
[11:18] <EvilIdler> Is there any way to speed up ReiserFS mount times?
[11:18] <jibrael> eriksti: yes
[11:18] <eriksti> jibrael, how ?
[11:18] <HiddenWolf> eriksti, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list change all warty to hoary, save, update, dist-upgrade
[11:18] <jibrael> eriksti: update your apt repositories like so, open /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:18] <Epicenter713> When I run Quake 3 in Ubuntu (Hoary) AMD64 with the nVidia drivers installed, I get: "...loading opengl32: QGL_Init: Can't load opengl32 from /etc/ld.so.conf or current dir: /home/epicenter/quake3/opengl32: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory failed...loading libGL.so.1: Received signal 11, exiting..."
[11:19] <Epicenter713> Is there any good reason for this?
[11:19] <Epicenter713> GLXgears, Tuxracer and 3D screensavers run at hundreds of FPS
[11:19] <Epicenter713> glxgears, thousands
[11:19] <eriksti> oh .. thanks a lot I will check it out
[11:19] <jibrael> eriksti: replace warty with hoary in the repository location lines
[11:19] <eriksti> jibrael, thanks, will do
[11:19] <libben> when can we replace it with breezy =)
[11:19] <jibrael> eriksti: like so deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[11:19] <HiddenWolf> Epicenter, yeah, you're running 64b opengl, and doom is looking for 32, would be my buess
[11:19] <EvilIdler> Epicenter713: You need compatibility libs for OpenGL installed, since Quake3 is compiled as a 32-bit binary
[11:19] <HiddenWolf> guess, even
[11:19] <Epicenter713> EvilIdler: Where should I acquire those?
[11:19] <EvilIdler> Epicenter713: Try the +ref_gl flag
[11:19] <jibrael> eriksti: then run apt-get dist-upgrade after u have done that
[11:20] <EvilIdler> Epicenter713: You most likely have them, but need to point the game at them
[11:20] <eriksti> jibrael, thanks, notes taken :)
[11:20] <jibrael> eriksti: :)
[11:20] <daven> jibrael, eriksti: you'll need an apt-get update before the dist-upgrade, right?
[11:20] <EvilIdler> Epicenter713: Check /usr/lib32/*GL*
[11:20] <Epicenter713> EvilIlder: same error with ./quake3.x86 +ref_gl
[11:20] <Jishi> Package gnome is not installed, so not removed
[11:20] <Jishi> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 407 not upgraded.
[11:20] <Epicenter713> EvilIdler: I have quite a few GL files there
[11:21] <jibrael> daven: yes sorry thats right :)
[11:21] <Jishi> why do i get this? I see the login GUI infromt of me?
[11:21] <zanaga> jishi remove gdm
[11:21] <jibrael> Jishi: apt-get remove gdm
[11:21] <Epicenter713> libGLcore.so.1         libGL.la  libGL.so.1         libGLU.a   libGLU.so.1
[11:21] <daven> jibrael :)
[11:21] <Epicenter713> libGLcore.so.1.0.7174  libGL.so  libGL.so.1.0.7174  libGLU.so  libGLU.so.1.3
[11:21] <EvilIdler> Epicenter713: Copy the libGL.so.1 to your Quake3 directory, then start with ./quake3 +ref_gl ./libGL.so.1
[11:22] <Jishi> zanaga, jibrael, okay thank you ... it is working
[11:22] <Epicenter713> "...loading opengl32: QGL_Init: Can't load opengl32 from /etc/ld.so.conf or current dir: /home/epicenter/quake3/opengl32: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory failed...loading libGL.so.1: Received signal 11, exiting..."
[11:22] <Epicenter713> It's right the hell there! :P
[11:22] <matthias> jibrael
[11:23] <jibrael> matthias: ?
[11:23] <matthias> still says st like
[11:23] <Jishi> zanaga, jibrael, I am sure it will perform better.....
[11:23] <matthias> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[11:23] <matthias>   xdtv: Hngt ab: libavcodec1 (>= 1:0.4.8-0.0) ist aber nicht installierbar
[11:23] <matthias> E: Kaputte Pakete
[11:23] <matthias> i know its german
[11:23] <matthias> translate?
[11:23] <Epicenter713> EvilIdler: yet it is convinced it is not
[11:23] <jibrael> matthias: please :)
[11:23] <archangel_X19> MyNameIsChris, This is what came up -rw-------  1 root root 702 2005-04-10 03:28 .ICEauthority
[11:23] <matthias> not fullfilied dependencies
[11:23] <jibrael> matthias: ahh
[11:23] <EvilIdler> Epicenter713: Check linuxgames.com if there is a FAQ?
[11:23] <matthias> says that this libavcodec is not installable
[11:23] <Epicenter713> OK.
[11:24] <Jishi> anyone using Misterhouse
[11:24] <matthias> where do i get proper version?
[11:24] <MistaED> kaputte = broken
[11:24] <MistaED> that's all i know, lol
[11:24] <matthias> yep
[11:24] <jibrael> broken package?
[11:24] <matthias> says so
[11:24] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, So root can read and write but no one else can touch it
[11:24] <matthias> aand what now?
[11:25] <archangel_X19> MyNameIsChris, I guess so, how do I change it to get my original login working?
[11:25] <matthias> i mean what i findfunny is that i have tvtime installed
[11:25] <matthias> and it worksperfectly
[11:26] <jibrael> matthias: apt-get install libavcodec2
[11:26] <matthias> k
[11:26] <jibrael> see if that works
[11:26] <matthias> ill try
[11:26] <Jishi> alright thank you all take care...
[11:26] <Jishi> bye
[11:26] <EvilIdler> Huh. A reboot was all it took to get crystal clear images from my webcam. Yay.
[11:27] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, I am not a pro at this. But try chmod o+rw filename
[11:27] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, better confirm that with someone else here
[11:27] <matthias> Paket libavcodec2 ist nicht verfgbar, wird aber von einem anderen
[11:27] <matthias> Paket referenziert. Das kann heien, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet
[11:27] <matthias> ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfgbar ist.
[11:27] <matthias> E: Paket libavcodec2 hat keinen Installationskandidaten
[11:27] <jibrael> no install candidate?
[11:27] <trygvebw> matthias: you have added extra sources?
[11:27] <matthias> is not there
[11:27] <trygvebw> universe, multiverse etc
[11:27] <matthias> yep
[11:27] <jibrael> it is
[11:27] <jibrael> mmm
[11:28] <archangel_X19> MyNameIsChris, when you say filename its my IceAUTHORITY file right?
[11:28] <jibrael> do u have universe is in sources.list?
[11:28] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, yup
[11:28] <EvilIdler> matthias: libavcodec is referenced because you might have had a MArillat repository or similar, or had it installed previously
[11:28] <archangel_X19> can anyone here back chris up for me?
[11:28] <matthias> yes i have but it also says that another package is refrencing to it
[11:28] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, what's your problem?
[11:29] <matthias> so ill try that
[11:29] <jibrael> libavcodec2
[11:29] <matthias> evilidler
[11:29] <jibrael> Reverse Depends:
[11:29] <jibrael>   mplayer-custom
[11:29] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, I tweaked Hoary like a moron and I rebooted and my X-Session says that it can't read my iceauthority file so I'm in safe terminal right now
[11:29] <jibrael> matthias: apt-get install mplayer-custom
[11:29] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, i've had that problem too :)
[11:30] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, just remove the .ICEauthority file in your home directory
[11:30] <MyNameIsChris> archangel_X19, if my chmod sucks just chown it to yourself then
[11:30] <daven> hehe - even simpler than changing the permissions :)
[11:30] <matthias> is not installable cos of brokenpackage
[11:30] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, is that it?
[11:30] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, yes
[11:30] <MyNameIsChris> But it happened to me so spontaneously
[11:30] <jibrael> mplayer is not installable?
[11:30] <jibrael> urm
[11:31] <matthias> see
[11:31] <archangel_X19> lol brb then
[11:31] <jibrael> thats not right
[11:31] <matthias> thats what i mean
[11:31] <archangel_X19> exit
[11:31] <jibrael> matthias: do u have security repos in your sources.list?
[11:31] <matthias> yes
[11:32] <jibrael> comment them out
[11:32] <matthias> but wich should i have
[11:32] <jibrael> just have restricted and universe
[11:32] <jibrael> for hoary
[11:32] <jibrael> then apt-get update
[11:32] <matthias> k ill do
[11:32] <xxenon> what's the status of 2.6.11 atm ?
[11:32] <jibrael> don't run security repos unless u have to heh
[11:32] <pmai> how set number of cylinder for disk to 1024 ?
[11:33] <trygvebw> xxenon: it's included in hoary, i think
[11:33] <brrrt> good morning everybody :D
[11:33] <MistaED> anyone know where ut2k4 stores its cd key in the linux version?
[11:33] <nathan> hi all..... I've got a quick question. What I want to do is have my router control dhcp and have my hoary act as some sort of dns server so that another computer on my lan can browse to the hoary box by typing in something like hoarybox.net I want all other DNS requests to go through my ISP's nameservers. How difficult is this? and can anyone point me in the right direction? I already have apache2 installed and working ok.
[11:33] <xxenon> trygvebw - yes, but I heard it has several problems.
[11:33] <jibrael> nathan: apt-get install bind9
[11:33] <xxenon> MistaED - there is a text file cdkey.txt or something
[11:33] <EvilIdler> MistaED: Grep for yours in $HOME and wherever you installed it?
[11:33] <trygvebw> xxenon: That was a few inotify problems, but inotify is deactivated by default in Hoary.
[11:34] <xxenon> trygvebw - ok.-
[11:34] <trygvebw> xxenon: So 2.6.11 works perfectly in Hoary.
[11:34] <jibrael> nathan: thats the first step
[11:34] <nathan> bind9.... okies... ta. will have a look at that. back soon. :)
[11:34] <FreezerX> jibrael, "unless u have to heh?" I also have security repos enabled, but didnt get a problem when installing mplayer
[11:34] <MistaED> i just looked through the .ut2004 in my $home
[11:34] <xxenon> trygvebw - I had to append "noinotify" manually (hoary preview)
[11:34] <brrrt> where is the place to congratulate and thank all the ubuntu people?
[11:34] <MistaED> but i'll look for that cdkey.txt
[11:34] <jibrael> FreezerX: i dunno when i had security in my list nothing would install
[11:34] <trygvebw> xxenon: Well, it's not activated by default in Hoary stable
[11:34] <brrrt> hoary is superb !
[11:34] <trygvebw> brrrt: #ubuntu-devel :)
[11:35] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, did it work?
[11:35] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, let me put it this way
[11:35] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, you deserve a raise
[11:35] <jibrael> haha
[11:35] <trygvebw> :P
[11:35] <archangel_X19> and everyone else in this room
[11:35] <tsume_> hoary might be superb temporarily, but breezy will be better ;)
[11:35] <archangel_X19> MyNameIsChris, thanks man
[11:35] <matthias> jibrael now hes reading quite a bit
[11:36] <trygvebw> can't wait till the breezy repos are uploaded
[11:36] <tsume_> I can't wait either
[11:36] <jibrael> yeah matthias it will take a bit to update your repos
[11:36] <tsume_> I always use unstable as production
[11:36] <matthias> done
[11:36] <matthias> and now
[11:36] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, I did prelinking and enabled I/O 32 bit what would have made it do that?
[11:36] <tsume_> latest software is always better
[11:36] <matthias> custom mplayer
[11:36] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, no idea :)
[11:36] <MistaED> who decides on these release names? lol
[11:36] <jibrael> matthias: now try apt-get install libavcodec2
[11:36] <matthias> or what
[11:36] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, is it safe to turn prelinking on again you think?
[11:37] <incubii> howdy all
[11:37] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, i guess so
[11:37] <Fator_Dee> anyone knows how could I change the behaviour of "Exctract here" command in Nautilus? I don't want it to extract the package to "packagename"_FILES
[11:37] <incubii> any idea why i lose the functionality of the volume and eject keys on my mac keyboard when i switch from uni kernel to smp kernel ?
[11:37] <razor_88> Is there a app in Ubuntu to monitor the temp of the cpu
[11:37] <pmai> hi
[11:37] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, only one way to find out...... ^_^
[11:37] <trygvebw> :)
[11:37] <archangel_X19> later
[11:37] <carambol> kgrellm
[11:37] <archangel_X19> thanks again guys
[11:37] <FreezerX> jibrael, that's my actuall sources.list http://www.coffeechat.de/sources.list
[11:38] <carambol> razor_88
[11:38] <matthias> it is refrenced by another package thats what it says
[11:38] <jibrael> matthias: try apt-get install mplayer
[11:38] <matthias> Jibrael how do i find out wich package refrences to the codec
[11:38] <matthias> ill try
[11:39] <jibrael> matthias: apt-cache rdepends libavcodec2
[11:39] <nathan> jibrael: installed bin9 no probs.... what file do i need to edit to create the dns entry?
[11:40] <jibrael> nathan: ok it gets a bit tricker here heh
[11:40] <matthias> root@imPULSIV:/ # apt-cache rdepends libavcodec2
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[11:40] <matthias> root@imPULSIV:/
[11:40] <robin__> Is there already a new developement tree for the next release, so I can change my apt sources ?
[11:40] <matthias> thats what it says
[11:40] <jibrael> errr
[11:40] <Epicenter713> How do I give a normal user access to an NTFS disk I mounted?
[11:40] <nathan> jibrael: hmmmmm bugger. i thought that might be the case
[11:40] <_TeRmInEt_> hi
[11:40] <jibrael> libavcodec2
[11:40] <jibrael> Reverse Depends:
[11:40] <jibrael>   mplayer-custom
[11:40] <jibrael> .
[11:40] <matthias> meaningwith errr
[11:41] <MistaED> epicenter713: i had this problem awhile ago
[11:41] <sono> Hello friends.  Anyone could succesfully run FGLRX Radeon drivers @ Hoary AMD64?
[11:41] <AstralJava> robin__: Not yet opened. I'm sure it'll be mentioned on the pages. Dev's are resting now, although many already have packages waiting for uploading.
[11:41] <Epicenter713> did you solve it?
[11:41] <jibrael> nathan: basicly ur gonna setup a zone for your local machine that u want to be mydomain.whatever
[11:41] <_TeRmInEt_> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/include/linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory
[11:41] <MistaED> what i did was in the fstab, made the options ro,users,umask=000
[11:41] <MistaED> and it fixed it up nice
[11:41] <_TeRmInEt_> where i can find this file?
[11:41] <Epicenter713> great
[11:41] <Epicenter713> thank you.
[11:41] <MistaED> no worries
[11:42] <nathan> jibrael: ok..... if you point me to the right files i should be able to get a start.... i THINK.....
[11:42] <jibrael> nathan: then all machines on ur network will use that as their dns server
[11:43] <nathan> jibrael: ok....
[11:43] <sono> anyone running hoary amd64?
[11:43] <jibrael> nathan: look in /etc/bind
[11:44] <jibrael> nathan: the file named.conf and db.local are good examples
[11:44] <exca> Anyone got problems running with DNS resolution using hoary?
[11:44] <Choubaka> Hm
[11:44] <nathan> jibrael: roger.... will go check it out.
[11:44] <Choubaka> what was the url to ubuntu repositories?
[11:44] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/include/linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory -> where can i find this file?
[11:44] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/include/linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory -> where can i find this file?
[11:44] <_TeRmInEt_> ops
[11:45] <Bazzi> _TeRmInEt_ apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-yourversion linux-source-yourversion
[11:46] <sono> so... last time: anyone running hoary amd64?
[11:46] <Bazzi> where yourversion is 2.6.10-5-386
[11:46] <_TeRmInEt_> i think that i already installed this packs
[11:46] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[11:46] <trygvebw> sono: what's your questions?
[11:46] <Choubaka> Hm
[11:46] <poningru> is xfce in the universe?
[11:46] <Choubaka> poningru: yes.
[11:46] <_TeRmInEt_> i've headers installed
[11:47] <poningru> thnk you
[11:47] <epicenter> Out of the blue, when I run X and log in it says My .ICE permissions file couldn't be read and crashes
[11:47] <epicenter> What do you think is wrong?
[11:47] <Choubaka> So, anyone know how I could pass a "hda=stroke" option to the ubuntu installer?
[11:47] <poningru> so apt-get install xfce    should work right?
[11:47] <Choubaka> xfce4
[11:47] <poningru> ah
[11:47] <poningru> thnx
[11:47] <sono> thx trygvebw, I installed the fglrx xorg drivers at Hoary AMD64, but my server just can't display the GDM... Screen blanks and processes halt
[11:47] <_TeRmInEt_> Bazzi, jibrael: i've this packs already installed
[11:47] <epicenter> well technically, 'unable to read ICE authority file /home/epicenter/.iceauthority" or similar
[11:47] <Choubaka> the ubuntu installer doesn't have /dev/hda, but instead some /dev/discs/disc weirdness...
[11:48] <Choubaka> so what should I pass the installer?
[11:48] <Bazzi> _TeRmInEt_ then those files should be there.
[11:48] <Choubaka> I need that option so it will see my entire HD.
[11:48] <sono> I was asking trygvebw, if anyone has run fglrx successfully at Hoary AMD64
[11:48] <trygvebw> sono: Have you installed both the kernel module and the driver?
[11:48] <sono> yes trygvebw, I have done this before @ 32 bits Warty and Hoary
[11:48] <trygvebw> hm
[11:49] <sono> but unfortunately the AMD64 version gets stucked right when loading th GDM
[11:49] <trygvebw> I _have_ heard of people running fglrx on AMD64 Ubuntu
[11:49] <sono> pretty strange
[11:49] <sono> hmmm ok
[11:49] <trygvebw> try modprobe fglrx
[11:49] <_TeRmInEt_> Bazzi: i don't look modversions.h, should I restart system?
[11:49] <Bazzi> dunno, usually you dont need to
[11:49] <epicenter> Anyone have any idea why I'd get this error? I can't get into X at all now ;(
[11:49] <sono> yep I can get that trygvebw
[11:50] <trygvebw> no errors?
[11:50] <MistaED> hey anyone tried that luminosity gl thing with hoary yet?
[11:50] <poningru> well off to test thnx guys
[11:50] <sono> no errors trygvebw
[11:50] <trygvebw> post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[11:50] <trygvebw> in the pastebin
[11:50] <sono> everything look pretty fine (lsmod)
[11:50] <MistaED> having a 3d-accelerated gnome with the windows morphing about like OSX
[11:50] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: from the /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/ directory try find . -iname "modversions.h"
[11:51] <vinsee> YA USED ME!
[11:51] <epicenter> :( No one? Uh-oh.
[11:51] <jibrael> mine sits under /include/config/modversions.h
[11:51] <trygvebw> epicenter: what is your problem?
[11:51] <epicenter> "Unable to read ICE authority file" and that's all I get when I run X
[11:51] <epicenter> Then it resets it.
[11:51] <epicenter> I can only see that by viewing the log
[11:51] <trygvebw> remove ~/.ICEauthority
[11:51] <epicenter> I get a message saying my session was <10 seconds
[11:51] <trygvebw> i had the same error
[11:52] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: goto /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/include/linux/ and run ln -s config/modversion.h
[11:52] <epicenter> thanks. :)
[11:52] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: it should be ok after that
[11:52] <rattboi> so you can't edit the gnome menus in 5.04?
[11:52] <epicenter> re-logging in in X.
[11:52] <trygvebw> :)
[11:52] <thenuke> "System -> Help -> Desktop -> System Administration Guide -> Improving Performance"  I dont have gnome, so where is that document located?
[11:52] <trygvebw> rattboi: moment...
[11:52] <MistaED> oh yeah, anyone know how to configure a sb live card so it uses all 5.1/6 speakers instead of just two?
[11:52] <Leon> where to change my login photo? it's not in the preference menu
[11:52] <trygvebw> rattboi, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67
[11:53] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: i try
[11:53] <Choubaka> Could someone answer my question please: what is the url to ubuntu hoary repositories?
[11:53] <Choubaka> I need this so I can install Ubuntu :p
[11:53] <trygvebw> Choubaka: What do you need it for?
[11:53] <trygvebw> O_o why?
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> you have warty installed already?
[11:54] <rattboi> trygvebw: so it's not part of gnome?
[11:54] <Choubaka> Fator_Dee: no
[11:54] <trygvebw> rattboi: No, they didn't finish the feature in time.
[11:54] <Choubaka> my computer fucked up again
[11:54] <trygvebw> Choubaka, what exactly do you need it for?
[11:54] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/ I haven't build dir
[11:54] <Choubaka> to install hoary.
[11:54] <lunitik> Choubaka: to the repositories? archives.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary
[11:54] <trygvebw> But WHY do you need it to install Hoary?
[11:54] <Choubaka> ok.
[11:54] <Choubaka> trygvebw: because my computer fucked up
[11:54] <EvilIdler> I've got a Hoary i386 box I just installed. with kubuntu-desktop, but CDs aren't auto-mounting on it :/
[11:55] <Choubaka> and the filesytem got corrupted
[11:55] <lunitik> Choubaka: cdimage.ubuntu.com is prolly what you want though
[11:55] <Fator_Dee> grab the iso-image by torrent and install it that way?
[11:55] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: then u have the wrong headers installed
[11:55] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: only boot, kernel, initrd directory
[11:55] <Choubaka> lunitik: I already have a cd imahr :p
[11:55] <trygvebw> Choubaka: Why don't you just install from the CD's?
[11:55] <Choubaka> image*
[11:55] <Choubaka> trygvebw: because it's a warty cd. :p
[11:55] <_TeRmInEt_> root@laptop: /usr/src # ls
[11:55] <_TeRmInEt_> linux linux-headers-2.6.10-5 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 linux-patches linux source-2.6.10 rpm
[11:55] <Choubaka> and
[11:55] <lunitik> Choubaka: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:55] <lunitik> for sources.list
[11:55] <Choubaka> the default repo does not work for some reason
[11:55] <trygvebw> Choubaka: Just install Ubuntu Warty and change the sources to hoary
[11:55] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: run apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[11:56] <trygvebw> and upgrade/update
[11:56] <Choubaka> I would if I could
[11:56] <Choubaka> but it doesn't accept the repo :|
[11:56] <Choubaka> says no valid Release file
[11:56] <trygvebw> Choubaka: Huh.
[11:56] <trygvebw> Choubaka: Can i see your sources.list file?
[11:57] <luke> if I have ubuntu warty, and I update everthing, does it turn into hoary? and who thought of those names?? :P
[11:57] <Leon> i want to try out xfce, should i install xfce4 at this moment?
[11:57] <trygvebw> luke: Yes
[11:57] <trygvebw> Leon: Yes
[11:57] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 is up to date
[11:57] <Choubaka> trygvebw: I don't have one
[11:57] <luke> coool :D
[11:57] <Choubaka> I am running the installer :p
[11:57] <trygvebw> Leon: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:57] <trygvebw> woops that was to Choubaka
[11:57] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: hehe i dunno lol
[11:57] <Choubaka> I don't have /etc/ :p
[11:58] <trygvebw> Choubaka: Huh? You have if you installed Warty!
[11:58] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: I haven't lucky ;(
[11:58] <Choubaka> trygvebw: I haven't :p
[11:58] <Choubaka> I am trying to.
[11:58] <trygvebw> Choubaka, install Warty, then!
[11:58] <trygvebw> ahh
[11:58] <daven> trygbevw, he said he's running the installer now
[11:58] <daven> hehe
[11:58] <trygvebw> ok
[11:58] <trygvebw> :)
[11:58] <daven> :)
[11:59] <pere> is it possible to install Eclipse from Synaptic?
[11:59] <Leon> will there be a xubuntu for xfce in the future?
[11:59] <rijad> hey, how/where do i find soundcard-drivers? (SiS 916B Sound Chip)
[11:59] <trygvebw> Leon: Only if someone creates one.
[11:59] <trygvebw> Leon: You want to volounteer?
[11:59] <trygvebw> :P
[12:00] <FreezerX> pere, what's the problem, just unpack eclipse and start it, if java is already on your system
[12:01] <kakalto> does anyone know what package I need so that k3b can burn mp3's as cdr?
[12:02] <pere> FreezerX: My experiences from RedHat was definately not just to unpack it and start it...;-). But you might be right, just thought I should try to find a repository that had it first..
[12:02] <kakalto> never mind
[12:02] <matthias> hey jibrael
[12:02] <jibrael> well on red hat nothing is simple
[12:02] <jibrael> yo matthias
[12:02] <matthias> now wehen searching in synapitc for libavcodec2
[12:02] <matthias> it doesnt even show up
[12:03] <kent> kakalto, k3b-mp3. Its in restricted i think.
[12:03] <Choubaka> Hm
[12:03] <pere> FreezerX: Found a package called eclipse-nls-sdk, trying to install it it says: Depends: Eclipse-platform. Not installable.
[12:03] <Choubaka> Ubuntu installer can't see my entire disc :(
[12:03] <matthias> may send you my sources.list?
[12:03] <Choubaka> it only sees first 32 Gb
[12:03] <trygvebw> Choubaka, you mean what?
[12:03] <trygvebw> O_o
[12:03] <Choubaka> I need to pass a DEV=stroke option to it
[12:04] <jibrael> matthias: did u try and install package mplayer?
[12:04] <Choubaka> but since I don't know what the DEV should be, I can't do anything
[12:04] <Choubaka> hda doesn't work. :p
[12:04] <matthias> no ill try again
[12:04] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: ok i've renstalled headers pack and now I've /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build directory, but in include/linux i've modversions.h!
[12:04] <kent> matthias, are you from sweden?
[12:04] <Choubaka> because the installer has some really weird device file structure
[12:04] <kakalto> kent, I can't find it
[12:05] <matthias> no germany
[12:05] <john> hello
[12:05] <trygvebw> Choubaka: If you have a SATA drive, it is sda, not hda
[12:05] <matthias> wait ill be back in15minutes
[12:05] <Leon> does humanity mean being kind or state of being human in "humanity towards others"?
[12:05] <kakalto> probably kindness
[12:05] <kent> kakalto, do you have the section restricted in synaptic? (well, or modified /etc/apt/sources.list - its the same thing). since its mp3, you need restricted becaus ubuntu cant ship it for legal reasons)
[12:05] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: check in build/include/linux/config/modversions.h u need to make a soft link to it buy going into build/include/linux and running ln -s config/modversions.h
[12:05] <trygvebw> kindness, i guess
[12:05] <incubii> is pre-linking worth setting up ?
[12:06] <kent> kakalto, hm, sorry, I cant find it either. Strange..  i thought that was the name of the package.
[12:07] <john> Can someone help me with a GRUB-problem?
[12:07] <trygvebw> kakalto, what are you trying to install?
[12:07] <jibrael> _TeRmInEt_: u come right?
[12:07] <EvilIdler> Any idea what's missing if CDs aren't automounting on a kubuntu desktop?
[12:07] <EvilIdler> Automounting works perfectly on my AMD64, but the i386 is only automounting USB devices
[12:07] <_TeRmInEt_> jibrael: :) tnx lot :*
[12:08] <devdude> wogwon
[12:08] <trygvebw> EvilIdler: System -> Preferences -> Removable Media
[12:08] <jibrael> EvilIdler: also try in #kubuntu
[12:08] <EvilIdler> trygvebw: No such thing as System-> or Preferences->
[12:08] <trygvebw> EvilIdler: Warty?
[12:08] <EvilIdler> jibrael: Cheers, I'll try that, then.
[12:09] <john> Can someone help me with my GRUB problem?
[12:09] <EvilIdler> trygvebw: Hoary release
[12:09] <carambol> in Gnome,
[12:09] <cusco> john: don't ask to ask, just ask
[12:09] <trygvebw> EvilIdler: The panel menu "System" in GNOME
[12:09] <john> ok.
[12:09] <deFrysk> john only if you ask a question
[12:09] <devdude> aight, so how do U automagically upgrade my firefox with the new one?  Its not in the list in aptitude. Do I have to add another deb source?
[12:09] <jibrael> john: whats the problem?
[12:09] <EvilIdler> trygvebw: KDE here
[12:09] <trygvebw> EvilIdler: Ahh... Try the #kubuntu channel
[12:09] <EvilIdler> trygvebw: Already there :)
[12:09] <trygvebw> ok
[12:09] <trygvebw> :)
[12:10] <jibrael> devdude: what version u running now?
[12:10] <devdude> still warty
[12:10] <john> When I turn on my computer, the GRUB loader boots fine. And when I choose Ubuntu, it boots fine. But when I pick Windows 2000/NT/XP it won't boot the Windows OS.
[12:11] <trygvebw> devdude: You can't upgrade to newer Firefox versions in Warty, without breaking your system.
[12:11] <devdude> awesome
[12:11] <jibrael> hehe
[12:11] <devdude> so I should go hoary ?
[12:11] <jibrael> devdude: upgrade to hoary
[12:11] <des_> yea :)
[12:11] <trygvebw> Yeah, it's just a small upgrade.
[12:11] <EvilIdler> Hoary is a good idea.
[12:11] <devdude> when is stable coming out?
[12:11] <trygvebw> devdude: It is out.
[12:11] <Xeon3D> shouldn't ubuntu correctly probe and detect my monitor? it's a SyncMaster 950p (> 4 years old)... I know it can do 1600x1200 @ more than 60hz... but that's the only option it gives me.
[12:11] <jibrael> devdude: it is stable
[12:11] <devdude> ah. sweet
[12:11] <des_> how i flush ram cache memory ?
[12:11] <des_> in hoary
[12:12] <devdude> so I just replace warty with hoary in the sources.list file right??
[12:12] <trygvebw> devdude: Yeah.
[12:12] <Xeon3D> devdude,  and do a apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:12] <jibrael> Xeon3D: u'll have to mosy likely edit your xorg.conf
[12:12] <devdude> sweet
[12:12] <des_> how i flush ram cache memory ? (hoary)
[12:12] <Xeon3D> jibrael,  I was expecting that, but I have no clue what resolutions\hertz this screen supports
[12:13] <deFrysk> des_, why flush it ?
[12:13] <des_> cause its eats 58% of ram
[12:13] <jibrael> Xeon3D: I know our syncmasters at work detect all wrong aswell and we gotta edit xorg.confs
[12:13] <des_> and its useless
[12:13] <deFrysk> des_, that is good
[12:13] <deFrysk> and handy when needed
[12:13] <john> The question has been asked.
[12:13] <deFrysk> not using ram is useless
[12:13] <Xeon3D> jibrael, ack. thanks.. I'll try to find out the modes for this screen.
[12:13] <trygvebw> Xeon3D: Try a high one, all screens just deactivate themselves if the refresh rate is to high.
[12:13] <jibrael> Xeon3D: i can be a bit more helpful tomorrow if u haven't found out
[12:14] <epicenter> IS there a way to make a shortcut on my gnome desktop to a dir like /mnt/Documents and Settings .. for my NTFS partition?
[12:14] <epicenter> Every time I try to make one it just tries to DUPLICATE the directory.
[12:14] <epicenter> and it seems a launcher cna
[12:14] <des_> anyway how i flush it ?
[12:14] <epicenter> can't point to one
[12:14] <Leon> can anyone tell me why "export http_proxy=host:port" never worked for me?
[12:14] <deFrysk> des_, the system takes care of that better than anyone can
[12:14] <trygvebw> epicenter: Right click -> Create launcher?
[12:14] <epicenter> It won't let me select /mnt
[12:14] <EvilIdler> Ugh. TuxPaint doesn't default to fullscreen!
[12:14] <epicenter> it wants me to pick a file
[12:15] <epicenter> what is the binary name of the gnome file manager?
[12:15] <epicenter> so I can just call it with a location parameter
[12:15] <trygvebw> epicenter: Go to / and select the mnt directory and click open
[12:16] <trygvebw> s/open/select
[12:16] <trygvebw> it works here
[12:16] <john> When I turn on my computer, the GRUB loader boots fine. And when I choose Ubuntu, it boots fine. But when I pick Windows 2000/NT/XP it won't boot the Windows OS. How can I fix that? Oops... I guess: If someone as much as metiones Windows, it's like swearing in church....
[12:16] <epicenter> trygvebw: It opens /mnt/ in the window
[12:16] <epicenter> it doesn't select it
[12:16] <trygvebw> Weird...
[12:16] <epicenter> uugghhhh
[12:16] <brrrt> is there a "howto customize" the application menu, after applications:/// does not work anymore?
[12:16] <deFrysk> john is has do do with a setting in your bios
[12:17] <kakalto> can k3b burn ogg to cdr by default?
[12:17] <deFrysk> john, something with hd setting , but forgot what option
[12:17] <john> ok
[12:17] <trygvebw> kakalto: Yes.
[12:17] <epicenter> I don't like the GNome file manager anyway ... what is anothe rgood one?
[12:17] <deFrysk> john, ask in #grub
[12:17] <john> okay.
[12:17] <trygvebw> epicenter: There is konqueror, but it is for KDE....
[12:17] <epicenter> I'll give it a shot
[12:18] <epicenter> it should run in Gnome, I don't think it has any kde-only restrictions
[12:18] <kakalto> trygvebw, thanks
[12:18] <epicenter> is there anything to stop me from switchign to KDE if I got ubuntu?
[12:18] <epicenter> or will things be freakish?
[12:18] <trygvebw> epicenter: No, just install kubuntu-desktop and everything will work fine.
[12:18] <epicenter> KDE's toolbar system and file manager irritate me
[12:18] <epicenter> ah, ok
[12:18] <jibrael> xfce for teh win
[12:18] <jibrael> :P
[12:19] <EvilIdler> Is there a package of kid's stuff I can get easily? Got TuxPaint, but need some other things
[12:19] <T6> epicenter, maybe you would like to try rox
[12:19] <epicenter> T6: rox?
[12:19] <epicenter> what's thata?
[12:19] <epicenter> *that?
[12:20] <brrrt> rox-filer - A simple graphical file manager for X11
[12:20] <Cspnico> re
[12:21] <epicenter> Once kubuntu-destkop is installed .... can I pick which one to use (kde or gnome) at boot?
[12:21] <epicenter> or is that not possible and gnome is replaced?
[12:21] <Cspnico> thanks nvidia work on the hoary kernel
[12:21] <daven> my bouncing cows are now fast and smooth :)
[12:21] <epicenter> nvidia support is GREAT
[12:21] <daven> following graphics card upgrade :)
[12:21] <Xeon3D> be back in a shile...
[12:21] <meta> where should I look to rectify ubuntu not playing videos after I installed the codecs? it just shows a green blur instead of the video
[12:21] <epicenter> totally seamless installation of the driver
[12:21] <ploum> Hello
[12:21] <ploum> I've no more swap !
[12:21] <Cspnico> but now linux-wln-ng divers dosnt t work on my kernel 2.6.10-5
[12:21] <ploum> swapon replies "invalid argument" but fdisk still list the partition as Swap
[12:21] <Cspnico> who have try this?
[12:22] <daven> cspnico: i haven't tried it, but i just followed the ubuntu tutorial on ati drivers
[12:22] <daven> cspnico: have you looked at the ubuntu tutorial?
[12:22] <Cspnico> daven:>for wlan-ng drivers ?
[12:23] <Cspnico> because me i
[12:23] <Cspnico> own an nvidia card
[12:23] <daven> cspnico: i've not heard of wlan-ng drivers :)
[12:23] <jesper> Why has UbuntuWorldWide been removed?
[12:23] <daven> cspnico: there's a tutorial for using the drivers in the nvidia-glx package
[12:24] <deFrysk> tnt2 cards dont work (in hoary)
[12:24] <deFrysk> with nvidiadrivers that is
[12:25] <Cspnico> daven>tthey works
[12:25] <wazza1234> hi all
[12:25] <Cspnico> V>now my mater is my modem
[12:25] <daven> cspnico: hehe, no idea on modems, i'm afraid
[12:25] <MistaED> does anyone know a mixer to end all mixers which can change speaker output for like 5.1 or 2 channel for alsa?
[12:25] <markuman> how to make screenshots? are there any fine tools?
[12:26] <wazza1234> does anyone know if ubuntu will be able to use the debian unstable repositories?  like can I apt-get install kde?
[12:26] <deFrysk> markuman, the print-screen button (in gnome)
[12:26] <Cspnico> well i tried with linux-wlan-ng-pre26
[12:26] <kent> markuman, either press "print screen", use the screendump-function under System in the panel, or start gimp and use the function for screendumps in gimp (its better, you can specify windows in gimp)
[12:26] <Cspnico> but if every kernel update i must reinstall my modem :s
[12:26] <trygvebw> wazza1234, KDE is in the Ubuntu repositories.
[12:26] <Riddell> wazza1234: no you can't use debian unstable repositories.  but everything in debain unstable is in ubuntu's repositories (like kde)
[12:26] <matthias> jibrael im back again
[12:27] <topyli> wazza1234: you can install most of unstable from the ubuntu servers. edit your sources.list to include "universe"
[12:27] <deFrysk> wazza1234, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (for kde)
[12:27] <jesper> What's the Danish language-pack called in Ubuntu?
[12:27] <markuman> the gimp screenmaker i know, but i don't like it...
[12:27] <markuman> any tools for xterm?
[12:27] <wazza1234> cool....thanks guys..
[12:27] <topyli> wazza1234: don't use debian packages, the ubuntu servers have packages built for ubuntu
[12:28] <deFrysk> debian unstable is almost outdated in hoary >:)
[12:28] <john> hello aain
[12:28] <wazza1234> so ubuntu's kernel has been modified in similar fashon to say mepis so some specific debian things will work but others wont?
[12:28] <matthias> may i send you my sources.list so that you see wich repos i have
[12:28] <matthias> jibrael
[12:28] <jibrael> matthias: sure
[12:29] <matthias> wait
[12:29] <matthias> there you go
[12:29] <topyli> wazza1234: it's not a kernel issue. it's just that ubuntu freezes unstable while unstable changes all the time. dependency hell might occur if you use debian repositories
[12:29] <matthias> as far as i know and see it should be okay
[12:30] <wazza1234> ok
[12:30] <cusco> I'm having this weird situation.... Im using irssi and some chars (like    ) I can't see them
[12:30] <cusco> they are like bullet points
[12:30] <cusco> this never happend before
[12:30] <wazza1234> one last question, how does the ubuntu team afford to send out free cds?!??!?!
[12:30] <Xeon3D> haha
[12:30] <matthias> and jibrael?
[12:30] <Fator_Dee> cusco: change the terminals character encoding perhaps?
[12:30] <Xeon3D> finally 1600x1200 @ 76Hz
[12:30] <Xeon3D> :D
[12:31] <cusco> boa
[12:31] <topyli> wazza1234: philantropic millionaires make all sort of weirdness possible :)
[12:31] <Xeon3D> look who he is... :P ol cusco
[12:31] <Xeon3D> :D
[12:31] <kent> cusco, I have heard that irssi dont support utf that good, and Hoary uses utf by default. Try a better irc-client ;)
[12:31] <deFrysk> Xeon3D, that rox
[12:31] <cusco> kent: this is a good client
[12:31] <deFrysk> X.org: 6.8.2 | Monitor: LS902U | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  | Res: 1600x1200, 24-bits | Audio: Avance Logic Inc. ALS4000 Audio Chipset | X-chat: 2.4.1
[12:32] <Xeon3D> deFrysk, where did you get that script ? :P
[12:32] <kakalto> deFrysk, do you use nvidia driver or nv?
[12:32] <martin> defrsyk> Thats the same montior I have... ;)
[12:32] <kakalto> hehe
[12:32] <deFrysk> Xeon3D, http://www.xs4all.nl/~masterpe/Perl/sinfo.pl
[12:32] <ploum> Nobody can help me to find why my Swap is no more available ?
[12:33] <cusco> Fator_Dee: where would I change the terminal character encoding?
[12:33] <kakalto> deFrysk, I have the same graphics card, but Xorg crashes if I use nvidia driver. Is it the same with you?
[12:33] <Fator_Dee> cusco: Terminal -> Character Encoding
[12:33] <cusco> oh yes lol
[12:33] <deFrysk> kakalto, nope runs fine here
[12:34] <kakalto> deFrysk, strange.
[12:34] <deFrysk> kakalto, I did it the "ubuntu" way
[12:34] <kakalto> the "ubuntu" way?
[12:34] <deFrysk> kakalto, and worked out great
[12:35] <kakalto> what's the "ubuntu" way?
[12:35] <deFrysk> kakalto, as described on the infopages of the ubuntu website
[12:35] <trygvebw> apt-get?
[12:35] <kakalto> deFrysk, infopages?
[12:35] <kakalto> which? where?
[12:35] <trygvebw> kakalto: The wiki, i guess
[12:35] <trygvebw> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[12:35] <scizzo> anyone having a digital camera that uses Mass storage and mounts it to a place on the harddrive without problems?
[12:35] <deFrysk> kakalto, yes like wiki , faq ect
[12:35] <jibrael> matthias: i changed one little thing, but i doubt that was the problem give it a go tho
[12:36] <deFrysk> kakalto, reading is your friend ;)
[12:36] <kakalto> deFrysk, :D
[12:36] <Xeon3D> deFrysk, haha it shows my temp as being 14C
[12:36] <Xeon3D> (cpu temp)
[12:36] <kakalto> System Information for    [ athlon ] 
[12:36] <kakalto> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-686
[12:36] <kakalto> CPU Info                  AMD Athlon(TM) XP 3000+ 2166.530 Mhz   4292.60 Bogomips
[12:36] <kakalto> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[12:36] <kakalto> Memory                    202.004/504.297MB
[12:36] <kakalto> Processes                 113
[12:36] <kakalto> Uptime                    1:55
[12:36] <kakalto> whey
[12:36] <kakalto> wrong channel
[12:36] <kakalto> sorry gus
[12:36] <deFrysk> kakalto, bad boy ;p
[12:37] <kakalto> :(
[12:37] <Xeon3D> kakalto, is that a xchat script as well?
[12:37] <kakalto> nope
[12:37] <kakalto> konversation
[12:37] <Bazzi> whats bogomips?
[12:37] <Xeon3D> konversation?
[12:37] <kakalto> apparently I have 0GB total storage capacity
[12:37] <Xeon3D> IRC Client?
[12:37] <blacklabel> Xeon3D for KDE
[12:37] <kakalto> Xeon3D, under kde, yeah
[12:37] <trygvebw> KDE's irc client
[12:37] <Bazzi> looks like kde
[12:38] <rrfsh> hi!
[12:38] <trygvebw> rrfsh, hello
[12:38] <rrfsh> i need help
[12:38] <trygvebw> rrfsh: Don't ask, just ask :)
[12:38] <matthias> jibrael:i apt-get update ted now
[12:38] <rrfsh> ok
[12:39] <rrfsh> thnk
[12:39] <matthias> and now shall try mplayer
[12:39] <matthias> ?
[12:39] <rrfsh> i have a nokia 6630
[12:39] <kakalto> g'night all, I'll stop leeching info off ya ;)
[12:39] <Bazzi> I'm still waiting for KDE to invent Kancer
[12:39] <Tomcat_> Bazzi: What would it do? :)
[12:39] <rrfsh> and i want to use it like a modem
[12:40] <Bazzi> Tomcat_ let you die slowly but surely
[12:40] <Tomcat_> :P
[12:40] <Tomcat_> Until Kure comes along :o
[12:40] <rrfsh> trygvebw
[12:40] <rrfsh> can u help me/
[12:41] <rrfsh> trygvebw can u help me
[12:41] <Bazzi> haha
[12:41] <Bazzi> Kure is good
[12:41] <trygvebw> yes
[12:41] <trygvebw> rrfsh: I'll google for it...
[12:41] <matthias> now synaptic doesnt even show mplayer when simplysearchin for it
[12:42] <matthias> jibrael
[12:42] <vinsee> hi
[12:42] <trygvebw> rrfsh: Is it connected via bluetooth
[12:42] <trygvebw> ?
[12:42] <tkz> stuNNed, didn't get NetworkManager to work but check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25398
[12:43] <rrfsh> no with
[12:43] <rrfsh> cable
[12:43] <trygvebw> ahh
[12:43] <tkz> stuNNed, ...atleast I got my wlan running with that. Had to a slight modification to the code though
[12:44] <brrrt> why doesnt gnome save my numlock status?
[12:44] <rrfsh> on windows i have pc suite but on ubuntu i don't know where to find the drivers/
[12:45] <b_e_n_z> damn hoary rocks hard
[12:45] <trygvebw> rrfsh: Run this from a terminal: "sudo apt-get install gnome-phone-manager"
[12:49] <matthias> i installed deborphan and exucuted it by typing deborphan on terminal
[12:49] <matthias> it says
[12:49] <matthias> libwine-arts
[12:49] <matthias> libpvm3
[12:49] <matthias> libcdaudio0
[12:49] <matthias> libmpeg3-1
[12:49] <matthias> python-gnupginterface
[12:49] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-mikmod
[12:49] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec
[12:49] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-hermes
[12:49] <matthias> libxcomposite1
[12:49] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-jpeg
[12:49] <matthias> libfaad2-0
[12:49] <matthias> libwmf0.2-7
[12:49] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-audiofile
[12:50] <matthias> libwine-alsa
[12:50] <matthias> libsvga1
[12:50] <matthias> freetype2
[12:50] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-a52dec
[12:50] <matthias> libfame-0.9
[12:50] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-speex
[12:50] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-theora
[12:50] <FreezerX> mathias, was machst du da?
[12:50] <matthias> libimlib2
[12:50] <matthias> libdivxencore0
[12:50] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-swfdec
[12:50] <matthias> libdivxdecore0
[12:50] <matthias> libxvidcore2
[12:50] <Bazzi> libspam-2.0
[12:50] <matthias> libxvidcore4
[12:50] <matthias> libwine-capi
[12:50] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:50] <Choubaka> Bazzi: :D
[12:50] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-sid
[12:50] <matthias> librasqal0
[12:50] <trygvebw> libpastebin-5.0
[12:50] <matthias> libfaac0
[12:50] <Choubaka> matthias: -_-
[12:50] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-festival
[12:50] <matthias> gstreamer0.8-gsm
[12:50] <matthias> problems with these packages are supposed i think
[12:50] <matthias> poste nur meine deborphan liste
[12:50] <matthias> will meine uuntu heile haben
[12:50] <trygvebw> libkick-3.0
[12:50] <Bazzi> matthias :x
[12:50] <FreezerX> etwas unverschmt, oder?
[12:51] <trygvebw> libkick-dev
[12:51] <Bazzi> matthias ein idiot bist du ;(
[12:51] <marques> anyone have any luck using captive-ntfs drivers?
[12:51] <trygvebw> marques, yes
[12:51] <marques> it's not wanting to finish for me.
[12:51] <trygvebw> hm
[12:51] <Choubaka> Hmm
[12:51] <matthias> also bitte mal nich so
[12:51] <marques> I guess I'm missing a package or something.
[12:51] <matthias> Bazzi
[12:51] <Choubaka> I had to install hoary using a debian install disc :p
[12:51] <carambol> mathias, #ubuntu-de
[12:51] <trygvebw> Choubaka, :P
[12:51] <Bazzi> matthias ist so, benutze pastebins fr sowas, wir knnen mit 100 zeilen im irc nix anfangen
[12:51] <trygvebw> Choubaka, did it work?
[12:51] <jibrael> lol Choubaka
[12:51] <matthias> nur weil einer hilfe brauch und sich nichauskennt sagt man nich er sei ein idiot
[12:51] <marques> Failed to prepare lufs.ko module for your Linux kernel 2.6.10-5-386.
[12:52] <marques> lame error
[12:52] <marques> when running /usr/share/lufs/prepmod
[12:52] <trygvebw> hm
[12:52] <Choubaka> trygvebw: well, I just installed debian base system, changed sources to hoary,  updated base-config and installed aptitude and did a dist-upgrade, and then ran base-config
[12:52] <Choubaka> now it's working :)
[12:53] <trygvebw> :P
[12:53] <carambol> mathias why u dont go to #ubuntu-de
[12:53] <trygvebw> nice :)
[12:53] <jibrael> Choubaka: impressive
[12:53] <marques> bbl. gonna reboot with new kernel.
[12:53] <matthias> k ill go there
[12:53] <Xgates> ok can any tell me why Ubuntu wont let me change my resolution, I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and that didnt help and on the desktop gnome only gives me 640x480
[12:53] <Xgates> I cant figure this thing
[12:54] <fsapo> Xgates, did u try editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[12:54] <trygvebw> Xgates: Run xorgconfig from the command line
[12:54] <Xgates> and that  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is a bit messed up with the graphics in it, I couldnt remove and change some of the resolutions in it
[12:54] <rrfsh> trygvebw i install pohne-.......
[12:54] <carambol> Xgates u have to change Horyz and VertiRefresh..look in the monitor manual for the values
[12:55] <Xgates> yeah I messed with xorg.conf and ran it too, and then I couldnt get the X server to start
[12:55] <trygvebw> rrfsh: install gnome-phone-manager
[12:55] <rrfsh> yes
[12:55] <trygvebw> Xgates: Run xorgconfig
[12:55] <rrfsh> i just did it
[12:55] <Xgates> carambol, I know how to do all this been running Linux 6 years I am Slacker
[12:55] <trygvebw> rrfsh: Start it, go to settings.
[12:55] <fsapo> Xgates, just try changin it: Depth		24
[12:55] <fsapo> 		Modes		"1152x864"
[12:55] <Xgates> BUT this thing is not working
[12:55] <carambol> ok :)
[12:55] <trygvebw> When you start X, which error do you get?
[12:55] <Xgates> fsapo, it is already on the default Depth of 24
[12:56] <carambol> i have had the smae...and change the values
[12:56] <carambol> changed
[12:56] <Xgates> no errors it just keeps trying to start when I run xorgconfig
[12:56] <Xgates> carambol, sorry what?
[12:56] <trygvebw> start X with "X" from the command line and post the errors
[12:56] <trygvebw> NOT with GDM! always start it with "X" when you're testing
[12:57] <epicenter> I mounted my NTFS partition with: /dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs ro,users,umask=000 .... I cannot write to it! Am I doing something wrong?
[12:57] <mjg59> epicenter: Writing to NTFS isn't supported
[12:57] <epicenter> I know by the book I should NOT write to it but I hear it is relatively safe now
[12:57] <carambol> look for the values in Monitor Manual
[12:57] <trygvebw> epicenter, you need special drivers
[12:57] <rrfsh> trygvebw what to do now?
[12:57] <carambol> Horyz and VertRefresh
[12:57] <trygvebw> epicenter, google for captiventfs
[12:57] <epicenter>  trygvebw: Is there a lot to do to install them? Do i need a new kernel? :P
[12:57] <carambol> and reboot
[12:57] <trygvebw> epicenter, no
[12:58] <epicenter> Has to be compiled?
[12:58] <catfox> hi all, whats the best (gtk) way of creating audio cd'd from mp3s? i'm trying gnomebaker, but i cant get it to work at all
[12:58] <rattboi>  epicenter, for one, it's not in the ntfs driver, but also, you have "ro" in your arguments, which would make it readonly anyways
[12:58] <rrfsh> trygvebw has left us, i am sory
[12:59] <epicenter> oy
[12:59] <epicenter> I can't seem to find a copy of this to download. Just threads about how to use it.
[12:59] <rattboi> yeah, I tried it
[12:59] <rattboi> didn't get it to work, either
[12:59] <rattboi> except as root
[12:59] <epicenter> great :P
[12:59] <rrfsh> epicenter
[01:00] <rrfsh> can u help me
[01:00] <rrfsh> ?
[01:00] <epicenter> I only made a 5gb partition for linux and 75gb still has my windows partition on it; I expected to be able to keep most things on it
[01:00] <epicenter> uh, probably not
[01:00] <epicenter> I guess I need to carve off another chunk of NTFS
[01:00] <epicenter> I will probably break XP this way
[01:00] <catfox> any suggestions for audio cd creation?
[01:00] <rattboi> epicenter, I'm using a FAT32 partition for shared space
[01:01] <epicenter> uh-huh
[01:01] <rattboi> catfox, just use k3b
[01:01] <Xgates> how the heck you kill GDM in here or just start this thing without
[01:01] <rattboi> it's kinda breaking the gnome-only thing, but it's a better program
[01:01] <catfox> rattboi, i don't really want to install all the kde stuff. are there no gnome apps that are reliable?
[01:01] <Xgates> I've always started X from console anyway
[01:01] <Xgates> but not sure how you do this in Ubuntu
[01:01] <epicenter> remove gdm
[01:01] <rattboi> gnomebaker is the best, I think
[01:01] <epicenter> apt-get remove gdm
[01:02] <Xgates> remove it lol
[01:02] <Xgates> ok
[01:02] <epicenter> if you don't use it ..
[01:02] <epicenter> why not? :P
[01:02] <rrfsh> Xgates can u help me?
[01:02] <catfox> it looks good, but it's not functional. oh well
[01:02] <rattboi> rrfsh: what are you doing?
[01:02] <fsapo> catfox, i m searching for a gnome phpeditor too.. just with a good highlight stuff like keditor =/
[01:02] <Xgates> rrfsh, busy at the moment
[01:02] <Xgates> ok thanks brb
[01:03] <rattboi> probably something I don't know about
[01:03] <epicenter> maybe I should give XP a 5-gig NTFS, make a 65 GB FAT32 partition and then a 10 GB ext3 for Ubuntu.
[01:03] <rrfsh> rattboi i'm fine :)
[01:03] <epicenter> Then let XP and Ubuntu share the fat32
[01:03] <epicenter> and if Windows doesn't like it, it can suck ext3's barls
[01:03] <rrfsh> rattboi i just
[01:04] <rattboi> epicenter: that's my setup, basically
[01:04] <fsapo> epicenter, i m stuck with a 45GB ntfs partition and i dont have XP anymore O_o
[01:04] <epicenter> I wish NTFS was convertible to FAT32.
[01:04] <epicenter> I'll have to back up, reinstall XP, restore it all
[01:04] <fsapo> epicenter, I wish i could write on ntfs :(
[01:04] <MrNonchalant> fsapo, then format it already :P
[01:04] <rrfsh> rattboi i want to conect my unbuntu to internet using my nokia 6630 like a modem
[01:04] <epicenter> he uh, might have data on it? :P
[01:04] <fsapo> MrNonchalant, i have 45GB of stuff in there O.o
[01:04] <fsapo> MrNonchalant, 30Gb of mp3 and a lot of stuff
[01:05] <rattboi> rrfsh: oh, way out of my league
[01:05] <MrNonchalant> ah, I see
[01:05] <epicenter> BOT THAETS ILLEGOL
[01:05] <epicenter> U SHOD ERAS.
[01:05] <Fator_Dee> lol
[01:05] <MrNonchalant> I'm betting that if there was some way to transfer, you would have
[01:05] <epicenter> and get rid of VLC!
[01:05] <epicenter> That's commie-ware!
[01:05] <rrfsh> who can help me? i want to conect my unbuntu to internet using my nokia 6630 like a modem
[01:06] <Choubaka> epicenter: partition magic can convert NTFS to FAT32
[01:06] <Choubaka> iirc.
[01:06] <rattboi> I think Choubaka is right
[01:06] <epicenter> Choubaka: I thought it was impossible
[01:06] <Choubaka> I recall having done it.
[01:06] <epicenter> Generic question. What is a good video editing/conversion util like VirtualDub for Lunix?
[01:06] <goldee> hello
[01:07] <epicenter> lunix intentional. ;)
[01:07] <carambol> kino?
[01:07] <Choubaka> epicenter: try lives
[01:07] <epicenter> *trying*
[01:07] <goldee> is there somebody who has a minute to explain few things to me
[01:07] <epicenter> goldee: probably
[01:07] <goldee> pm me please
[01:07] <Choubaka> there's no package for lives in universe, but there's a package on the homepage.
[01:07] <epicenter> Uh, discuss it here
[01:07] <epicenter> so more people can learn
[01:08] <goldee> you will laughg
[01:08] <epicenter> nah
[01:08] <epicenter> I've heard some really stupid shit
[01:08] <epicenter> I won't laugh
[01:08] <goldee> ys you will im newbie
[01:08] <Choubaka> I looked at it and it seemed to be quite able.
[01:08] <epicenter> SO AM I.
[01:08] <goldee> WELL
[01:08] <epicenter> I've used Debian for 4 or so years but I am a total newbie to Ubuntu
[01:08] <epicenter> with two 0's
[01:08] <fsapo> goldee, just ask it :P
[01:08] <goldee> i cant save anything to my computer
[01:08] <epicenter> Wow, Ubuntu ate up my 5 gb fast
[01:08] <Choubaka> I'm not! But I don't laugh at people :)
[01:08] <epicenter> it's just .. pow.
[01:08] <epicenter> where are you saving to?
[01:09] <goonie> goldee, I'm a n00b and ask silly questions and noone in here has even so much as snickered
[01:09] <epicenter> a lot of folders are owned by root. Usually, you can only save in your home dir.
[01:09] <epicenter> /home/username
[01:09] <goonie> nice ppl in this channel
[01:09] <goldee> i cant even make new folder in system
[01:09] <epicenter> until you change the ownership of the folder to your username
[01:09] <goldee> whats the root pass
[01:09] <epicenter> there is none
[01:09] <epicenter> sudo -s
[01:09] <epicenter> then enter your user password
[01:09] <epicenter> then use this to make a directory as root:
[01:09] <epicenter> mkdir dirnamehere
[01:09] <L3g3ndZ> hey guys, how can i add a logout button in the desktop ?
[01:09] <epicenter> chown yourusername dirname
[01:09] <drummer87> hey, are there any brands of wireless pci cards that don't work as well as others or not at all in ubuntu?
[01:09] <L3g3ndZ> anyone knows the command line for that?
[01:09] <epicenter> that will then be a folder your user owns
[01:09] <epicenter> and not root
[01:10] <epicenter> drummer87: yes, as with Linux in general
[01:10] <goldee> ok
[01:10] <epicenter> or any type of hardware
[01:10] <goldee> so i go to
[01:10] <fitheach> does anybody know a nice tool to strip attachments from emails? I just converted from Outlook to Evolution, but all my mails have an "winmail.dat" attached. I want to get rid of it.
[01:10] <epicenter> .. terminal first
[01:10] <Choubaka> epicenter: If you have used debian for 4 years you're not a noob. :p
[01:10] <epicenter> Choubaka: I'm a ubuntu n00b
[01:10] <_TeRmInEt_> hi
[01:10] <drummer87> any in particular?
[01:10] <epicenter> I need to learn how to let the OS do things for me. I keep almost building a new kernel on a whim
[01:10] <drummer87> what's belkin like?
[01:10] <epicenter> depends
[01:10] <epicenter> the brand is irrelevant
[01:11] <epicenter> the CHIPSET in the device matters
[01:11] <Choubaka> well, ubuntu is so similar to debian that if you know debian, you know ubuntu :)
[01:11] <drummer87> ah.. i see
[01:11] <epicenter> My friend has a Belkin PCMCIA adapter that works. But I don't know what chipset. it may be the same across their whole line.
[01:11] <_TeRmInEt_> insmod: error inserting 'acx_pci.o' -1 Invalid module format
[01:11] <epicenter> Stuff like RTL8190 ... Prism, Prism2 .. that's supported ...
[01:11] <goldee> ok
[01:11] <goldee> im at terminal
[01:11] <_TeRmInEt_> why it me give this error?
[01:11] <epicenter> I'm sure there is a compatible hardware list somewhere. I never bothered to lok
[01:11] <epicenter> look
[01:11] <epicenter> I just plug it in and wing it
[01:11] <rrfsh> TeRmInEt
[01:11] <epicenter> goldee: do: sudo -s
[01:11] <mjg59> _TeRmInEt_: acx_pci.o isn't a 2.6 kernel module
[01:11] <tkz> How do I get nautilus to open each folder in it's own window in Hoary?
[01:11] <epicenter> enter
[01:12] <rrfsh> hi
[01:12] <epicenter> goldee: put in your USER's password.
[01:12] <epicenter> then do mkdir thedirname wherever you want the folder to go
[01:12] <goldee> ok
[01:12] <drummer87> thanks
[01:12] <goldee> i did
[01:12] <epicenter> replace thedirname with the .. real name.
[01:12] <epicenter> then chown YOURUSERNAMEHERE thedirname
[01:12] <epicenter> and you'll own it
[01:12] <epicenter> exit to stop being root
[01:12] <goldee> i have this writen root@dhcp-212-235-227-211:~#
[01:12] <rattboi> epicenter, do you know how to change kernels without rebooting?
[01:13] <epicenter> It isn't possible.
[01:13] <rattboi> okie
[01:13] <epicenter> Your kernel is RAM-resident
[01:13] <rattboi> I thought I heard someone saying you could by using chroot
[01:13] <rattboi> I guess not
[01:13] <epicenter> Wow, going to File->open in kino crashes it, without fail
[01:13] <epicenter> doubtful ..
[01:13] <alitoch> hello
[01:13] <L3g3ndZ> What is the command line to logout the session ?
[01:13] <alitoch> I am about to install the Hoary Final
[01:13] <epicenter> l3g3ndZ - I just use ctrl-alt-backspace ;D
[01:13] <Choubaka> You could if you were using a microkernel architecture! :)
[01:13] <alitoch> I had a question...
[01:13] <epicenter> Choubaka: I wouldn't know much about that.
[01:13] <epicenter> but I still doubt it
[01:13] <Choubaka> epicenter: well
[01:14] <epicenter> It's still a kernel in RAM
[01:14] <L3g3ndZ> epicenter, is there a way to put that in shell command?
[01:14] <mjg59> _TeRmInEt_: Insmod only works on things that end in .ko
[01:14] <epicenter> and having a kernel move itself is a mes
[01:14] <epicenter> s
[01:14] <rattboi> L3g3ndZ, what's the point?
[01:14] <Choubaka> basically the microkernel provides the bare minimum.
[01:14] <epicenter> L3g3ndz: I dunno.
[01:14] <alitoch> When I was under Warty and Hoary RC, in the installation, when I mounted my windows partition on a mount point, GRUB did not detect it at the end of the installation
[01:14] <Choubaka> and everything else is done in userspace.
[01:14] <epicenter> There is a log out icon in your menu bar by default.
[01:14] <Xik0> after i install ubuntu i must install grub, or ubuntu install by itself?
[01:14] <rrfsh> hi, can you help me? i want to connect my unbuntu to internet using my nokia 6630 like a modem
[01:14] <alitoch> So I had to select "do not use this partition" to have it detected by Grub
[01:14] <goldee> epicenter _
[01:14] <L3g3ndZ> the point is that i dont want to have a button to log out in the panel, but in the desktop
[01:14] <Lightboy> hey all i hav some problems with installing the nvidia driver on ubuntu hoary amd64
[01:14] <alitoch> Is it still the case in the Hoary Final's installation ?
[01:14] <epicenter> Lightboy: have you read this?
[01:15] <epicenter> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:15] <Choubaka> the microkernel being so small makes it possible to make it stable and secure so it _very rarely_ needs to be touched.
[01:15] <rattboi> so drag the menu option to the desktop?
[01:15] <epicenter> Lightboy: went flawlessly for me.
[01:15] <_TeRmInEt_> mjg59: ok,but i've comiled this module for 2.6 kernel
[01:15] <alitoch> rrfsh > do you know if there is a linux driver for your nokia ?
[01:15] <epicenter> rattboi: yeah, go for it
[01:15] <Lightboy> yup.. well something similar
[01:15] <epicenter> follow that one.
[01:15] <eromb> Does anyone have experience with setting up a imap server in ubuntu?
[01:15] <epicenter> It's perfect.
[01:15] <goldee> epicenter help
[01:15] <L3g3ndZ> rattboi, can0t be done
[01:15] <epicenter> ?
[01:15] <goldee> :_
[01:15] <tkz> How do I get nautilus to open each folder in it's own window in Hoary?
[01:15] <Choubaka> and basically you could run a linux kernel in userspace over that microkernel :)
[01:15] <goldee> i still dont have the right
[01:16] <rattboi> L3g3ndZ, I thought I did that earlier today
[01:16] <epicenter> What's another good video reconversion app? I'd like to be able to pick out parts of videos, pick codecs, recompress.
[01:16] <rattboi> I'm at work, so I can't try it
[01:16] <epicenter> Kino crashes whenever I open a file.
[01:16] <Lightboy> epicenter: yeah.. right at the end the driver says that it failed because of some opengl library
[01:16] <L3g3ndZ> rattboi, well, im trying now and i can't do it
[01:16] <Choubaka> and when you're bored with linux, stop using it and replace it with a userspace freebsd kernel :)
[01:16] <rrfsh> alitoch i  know nothing because i installed ubuntu yesterday
[01:16] <Lightboy> but im running the driver now
[01:16] <epicenter> or rather .. it crashes when I get the OPEN FILE dialog
[01:16] <queuetue_> Hey, the wiki changed. :)
[01:16] <alitoch> can't anybody that have tested the final hoary answer me ?
[01:16] <epicenter> Lightboy: we'd really need the full error.
[01:16] <rattboi> but I think I right-clicked on the menu option, did "Add as launcher" or whatever
[01:16] <eromb> epicenter what about mencoder?
[01:16] <epicenter> or it's useless :(
[01:16] <Lightboy> epicenter: k gimme a sec
[01:16] <rattboi> and then dragged that launcher to the desktop
[01:16] <epicenter> eromb: trying it now
[01:16] <alitoch> rrfsh> ok, I'm gonna make a search for you on google, i'm in a good day
[01:16] <Choubaka> epicenter: try lives.
[01:16] <L3g3ndZ> rattboi, do you know how to emulate key strokes in a shell
[01:16] <epicenter> where can I get lives?
[01:16] <Choubaka> it's on gnomefiles.
[01:16] <L3g3ndZ> like CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[01:17] <Choubaka> and there you can find a link to its home page.
[01:17] <rrfsh> alitoch thnks
[01:17] <fsapo> tkz, applicantions -> system tools -> apps -> nautilus -> preferences -> aways use browser
[01:17] <queuetue_> Where do I set up printer sharing?
[01:17] <Choubaka> which has a debian package that installs fine on ubuntu :)
[01:17] <alitoch> welcome rrfsh, hope I'm gonna find something cool
[01:17] <tkz> fsapo:  thanks, will try that!
[01:17] <eromb> Does anyone know how to set up an imap server?
[01:18] <luke> hey how do you update from warty to hoary?
[01:18] <goldee> epicenter
[01:18] <alitoch> Please, I do need an answer before I begin the install... my question isn't very hard I think
[01:18] <alitoch> luke> change your repositories to hoary
[01:18] <epicenter> ?
[01:18] <fsapo> tkz, ;)
[01:18] <goldee> i typed sudo -s
[01:18] <L3g3ndZ> luke, go to the ubuntu forums, you have a FAQ there
[01:18] <alitoch> (modify /etc/apt/sources.list)
[01:18] <goldee> i typed pas
[01:18] <epicenter> Goldee- precede your messages with Epicenter:
[01:18] <epicenter> so they highlight in red on my screen
[01:18] <luke> ok thanks all :)
[01:18] <epicenter> and it is easier for me to follow you
[01:18] <L3g3ndZ> luke, and don't change directly
[01:18] <goldee> how do i do that
[01:19] <xgates> ok glad irssi is in here since I cant get X going
[01:19] <xgates> hehe
[01:19] <epicenter> just type EPicenter: before what yo sa )
[01:19] <epicenter> say :)
[01:19] <epicenter> or copy-paste it.
[01:19] <goldee> ok
[01:19] <rattboi> goldee: like this
[01:19] <fsapo> luke apt-get update && apt-get distro-upgrade
[01:19] <queuetue> How do I share printers between ubuntu systems?  Do I need to edit the cups config by hand?
[01:19] <xgates> ok I FOUND the problem its the incorrect /mouse path
[01:19] <epicenter> looks like I must compile LiVES
[01:19] <goldee> epicenter i tzped pass
[01:19] <xgates> not sure what the heck it wants
[01:19] <epicenter> goldee: and?
[01:19] <xgates>  /dev/mouse isnt working nor, /dev/input/mouse
[01:19] <goldee> epicenter what now dude
[01:19] <epicenter> mkdir thedirname
[01:20] <alitoch> hum... i'm gonna ask my question again
[01:20] <alitoch> When I was under Warty and Hoary RC, in the installation, when I mounted my windows partition on a mount point, GRUB did not detect it at the end of the installation
[01:20] <epicenter> Goldee: scroll up if you forget what I say.
[01:20] <alitoch> So I had to select "do not use this partition" to have it detected by Grub
[01:20] <alitoch> Is it still the case in the Hoary Final's installation ?
[01:20] <Lightboy> epicenter: ERROR: The runtime configuration check failed for library 'libGL.so.1.0.7167' (expected: '/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', found:
[01:20] <Lightboy>        '/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1').  The most likely reason for this is that conflicting OpenGL libraries are installed in a location not inspected by nvidia-installer.  Please be sure you have uninstalled any third-party OpenGL and third-party graphics driver packages
[01:20] <epicenter> I don't know what would cause that ....
[01:20] <epicenter> but I have never tried to use IA32
[01:20] <queuetue> Do I need to install samba to share printers between ubuntu systems?
[01:21] <Lightboy> epicenter: is that to me?
[01:21] <tkz> fsapo:  there was only "File Browser" in the menu, no Nautilus but I guess it's the same. The setting did't help though... strange
[01:21] <xgates> all I could find in /var/log/messages is this explorer mouse it says is at --> isa0060/serio1
[01:21] <epicenter> yes
[01:21] <xgates> hmm
[01:21] <Lightboy> hmm, can n e one else help
[01:21] <epicenter> Is there no .deb version of LiVES?
[01:21] <nmsa> how can I changhe the mirror when apt-get update ? I have always gzip: stdin: not in gzip format ...
[01:22] <GarySaved> Did they decide to not do a monthly calendar update this month?
[01:22] <xgates> shouldnt /dev/mouse work on a Ps2 scrollwheel?
[01:22] <rrfsh> alitoch what about me?
[01:22] <alitoch> I'm searching...
[01:22] <fsapo> tkz, is apps -> nautilus -> preferences -> always_use_browser
[01:22] <queuetue> Excuse me, does anyone know how to share printers between ubuntu systems?  I'm sure this has come up before.
[01:22] <goldee> epicenter something else
[01:23] <nmsa> queuetue: use CPUS
[01:23] <alitoch> I see nobody there is even enough polite to say "hello" or answer a question or even say "wait a while"
[01:23] <epicenter> goldee: yes?
[01:23] <goldee> epicenter whz i cant run execute file
[01:23] <alitoch> adios.
[01:23] <epicenter> goldee: what do you mean 'execute file'?
[01:23] <nmsa> CUPS, queuetue
[01:23] <queuetue> nmsa, I have cips installed, and the printer is workingonthe server - how do I share is so the second machine can see it?
[01:23] <xgates> anyone know what /mouse path Ubuntu uses for PS2?
[01:24] <goldee> epicenter it says couldn display file / but its exe file i want to run it not to view it
[01:24] <FlopsyPete> hi. is it possible to boot the Ubuntu 5.04 live cd without ACPI? I have an IBM ThinkPad R40e that doesn't have ACPI
[01:24] <epicenter> goldee: You may want to read some guides on linux basics, I can't really help you at this stage.
[01:24] <tkz> fsapo:  My Applications menu does not have Nautilus in it. It's straight from the Hoary CD and it's like that
[01:24] <goldee> i knopw
[01:24] <epicenter> Hrm, is there a good reason for a new Ubuntu installation with barely anything added to use 5.0 GB already? What are  some huge things installed by defualt that can be removed?
[01:24] <nmsa> queuetue, just search on the other pc the unix server and install from there the auto-shared printer
[01:24] <epicenter> *default
[01:24] <eromb> FlopsyPete: use -noacpi at boot
[01:24] <queuetue> nmsa, search how?
[01:24] <goldee> tnx anyway
[01:25] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: apt-get's cache maybe?
[01:25] <xgates> man I cant figure out what friggin /path Ubuntu wants to use for the moise
[01:25] <xgates> mouse ....
[01:25] <xgates> errrr
[01:25] <epicenter> Fator_Dee: What about it?
[01:25] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: that takes up space
[01:25] <epicenter> where's it located?
[01:25] <FlopsyPete> erpmb: how come it doesn't offer that in the list of boot options with the F keys at boot time?
[01:26] <queuetue> nmsa, when you say "search" what tool do I use to search with?
[01:26] <xgates> I've always used /dev/mouse with success in other distros just fine
[01:26] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: /var/apt/cache I think
[01:26] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: let me check
[01:26] <epicenter> found it
[01:26] <epicenter> thx
[01:26] <epicenter> var/cache/apt
[01:26] <nmsa> queuetue, what box is the second one ? win ? linux ?
[01:26] <spiral> hi
[01:26] <queuetue> nmsa, both ubuntu.
[01:27] <eromb> FlopsyPete: have you tried noapic?
[01:27] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: damn, wrong way around :-)
[01:27] <FlopsyPete> eromb: with 'live -noacpi' the laptop still hangs at 'ACPI: Processor [CPU]  (supports 8 throttling states)'
[01:27] <nmsa> queuetue, i c, let me check here
[01:27] <xgates> in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it detects it as /dev/input/mouse THEN when trying to run xorgconfig and putting that in, its not working
[01:28] <FlopsyPete> eromb: is apic not a different thing to ACPI? I tried noapic and no lapic, and -noacpi and noacpi and it still hangs at the same message
[01:29] <Cspnic1> re
[01:29] <eromb> FlopsyPete: Yea, they are different. Well, I don't know too much about boot options, too. But try google for your machine and the error that you get.
[01:29] <cavediver> Is there a way to create dvd-iso-images out of a video_ts directory ?
[01:29] <nmsa> queuetue, say new printer, network, LPD and add the hostname or IP and the queue
[01:29] <cavediver> tried  mkisofs -dvd-video -o
[01:29] <epicenter> LiVES absolutely must be compiled? No DEBs exist?
[01:29] <cavediver> but it didnt work
[01:30] <FlopsyPete> eromb: ok, thanks anyway
[01:30] <queuetue> nmsa, just the hostname, and nothing else?
[01:30] <tkz> cavediver:  search ubuntu forum for "lazy dvd guide"
[01:30] <cavediver> tkz: ok!
[01:30] <eromb> FlopsyPete: You're welcome
[01:30] <nmsa> queuetue, ad the queue, lpd
[01:31] <tkz> cavediver:  it explains how you can use dvd-shrink to make copy of dual layer dvd on a single layer.
[01:31] <epicenter> LiVES, when attempting to ./configure, says it needs "gtk+2.0". I have gtk 2.0. What the hell?
[01:31] <nmsa> queuetue, not sure about lpd
[01:31] <rrfsh> hello all
[01:31] <queuetue> nmsa, specifically, what am I supposed to type in the field?
[01:31] <Bazzi> epicenter you have those dev packages?
[01:31] <epicenter> which ones?
[01:31] <Bazzi> gtk2something-dev
[01:31] <rrfsh> can you help me ?
[01:31] <rrfsh> i want to conect my unbuntu to internet using my nokia 6630 like a modem
[01:31] <nmsa> queuetue, host: hostname, queue: lp
[01:32] <tkz> cavediver:  once you have the dvd ripped on your hard drive, you can use k3b to create an image if you want to or just burn it to dvd
[01:32] <queuetue> nmsa, There are not seperate fields for hostname and queue on my setup tool - there is a plce to type a url that I do not know  the format of.
[01:33] <nmsa> queuetue, ok, just put the mous over the field and you have a help after a few seconds
[01:33] <epicenter> I Deleted my apt cache and now I get, "E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing". How do I fix this? :P
[01:34] <nmsa> queuetue, something like: ipp://second_ubuntu_pc/ipp/
[01:34] <queuetue> nmsa, Yes, I see the help.  If gives amny sufggestions, and I have no idea what is right and what is not.  Can you please just tell me what to tppe?  Assume my host is named "X" and the printer is named "Y" ... what do I type?
[01:34] <nmsa> queuetue, ipp://X/ipp/
[01:34] <queuetue> Why does printing under Linux suck so bad?  54 years with linux as my primary desktop and the audio and the printing have always sucked.
[01:35] <queuetue> 4 years. :)
[01:36] <nmsa> queuetue, I have 12 years with linux, started with slackware, ubuntu, by far is the best and most user Friendly I ever saw ...
[01:36] <Arnia> queuetue: I plugged my printer in and it was detected and configured perfectly, automatically
[01:36] <Arnia> queuetue: I installed Ubuntu and my soundcard was configured perfectly and automatically :)
[01:36] <fsapo> queuetue, u talked about audio.. is there a way to make 2 applications use the audio at same time? i have having to close xmms to play ut2k4 :(
[01:36] <Arnia> fsapo: ESD
[01:37] <fsapo> Arnia, what is ESD?
[01:37] <Arnia> fsapo: Enlightened Sound Daemon
[01:37] <FlopsyPete> for the record, ACPI is disabled at live D boot time with 'acpi=off' :)
[01:37] <REWind> Hello, do I have a voice? If I do, I am to lazy to fill in one of those bug repports but still want to "report" check if my faults/bugs are not only experianced by me.. who can I talk to?
[01:37] <fsapo> Arnia, never heard about it =x
[01:38] <Xgates> yeah finally got this BASTARd
[01:38] <Xgates> lol
[01:38] <Xgates> ---> /dev/input/mice
[01:38] <Arnia> fsapo: It merges several sound streams into one to deliver to the soundcard
[01:38] <fsapo> Xgates, haha i had this problem here too.. i took a long time to find it out :)
[01:38] <Xgates> ok because I ran xorgconfig I have this popup window:
[01:38] <Xgates> The X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings.  Which set would you like to use?
[01:38] <fsapo> Arnia, i have to install a package or something to use it?
[01:38] <Xgates> use X settings: Use Gnome Settings?
[01:38] <cavediver> Can't find the lazy dvd guide. Does anyone have a link to that specific post ?
[01:39] <Xgates> which should I pick?
[01:39] <Arnia> fsapo: Yeah... search in synaptic for esd
[01:39] <Arnia> Xgates: Use Gnome settings I think
[01:39] <Xgates> fsapo, hehe 5.04 hasnt been a very smooth install for me
[01:39] <Arnia> Xgates: why was that? :)
[01:39] <nmsa> queuetue, got to go, hope your printer is ok, speak to you later
[01:39] <tkz> I would like to have nautilus to show different background in different folders. I had this working in Warty. Anyone else having problem with this in Hoary?
[01:39] <fsapo> Arnia, esound is intalled
[01:40] <fsapo> Arnia, how can i use it?
[01:40] <Xgates> Arnia, first some font config errors on the install saying it couldnt load the default font config
[01:40] <Arnia> fsapo: Make sure you have the ALSA driver for it
[01:41] <REWind> Xgates, don't know if that was a comment to me.. but I find the 5.04 quite okay. Missing a xine version of Rhythmbox, otherwise it's quite nice...
[01:41] <Arnia> REWind: Don't use rhythmbox ;)
[01:41] <fsapo> Arnia, here is saying that i have it installed for OSS
[01:41] <cavediver> Anyone doing xcompmgr and x,org ?
[01:42] <Arnia> fsapo: You probably want the ALSA driver too
[01:42] <REWind> Arnald, what would you recommend then?
[01:42] <cavediver> How do i get away from setting trasperancy manually with trasset ?
[01:42] <cavediver> transset
[01:42] <REWind> Arnia, was the name..
[01:42] <Arnia> REWind: well I use Muine :)
[01:42] <fsapo> Arnia, its saying that i have to remove this one to install the ALSA one O.o
[01:42] <cavediver> I want all new consoles to be set to transset 0.7 for instance.
[01:43] <Xgates> REWind, I spent 7 hours dorking with the install today, it was really screwy giving me install errors, seg faults etc..
[01:43] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: did you manually clean the cache?
[01:43] <Arnia> fsapo: Do it ALSA provides an OSS compatibility layer
[01:43] <Xgates> REWind, Slackware was a hell of alot simpler then this
[01:43] <Xgates> lol
[01:43] <fsapo> Arnia, ok
[01:43] <epicenter> Fator_Dee: yes.
[01:43] <Arnia> Xgates: for you :)
[01:43] <epicenter> I just erased the dir contents of /cache/apt/archives
[01:43] <REWind> Xgates, if that was your experiance I see what you mean!
[01:43] <Arnia> Xgates: I wish what caused such a complicated chain of failures
[01:44] <Xgates> oh its been fun, and I've been using Linux like 6 years I dont see how a noob would of got it done
[01:44] <Xgates> rofl
[01:44] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: apt-get clean/autoclean would have been the right way...
[01:44] <REWind> Xgates, for me my installation went by on a coffe break! No major issues!
[01:44] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: sorry for not mentioning that
[01:44] <epicenter> Fator_Dee: is this woeful fuckery of mine fixable?
[01:44] <epicenter> not your fault
[01:44] <DooD> guys i installed realplayer 10 but it's not running what should i do
[01:44] <fsapo> Arnia, done.. what now?
[01:44] <DooD> can anyone help me
[01:44] <Arnia> Xgates has had a very very atypical install... and I refuse to believe its a load of coincidences :)
[01:44] <Arnia> Some core issue... must be
[01:44] <Fator_Dee> epicenter: I think that it's not so dangerous, but I don't know what to do
[01:44] <Arnia> fsapo: That should be it...
[01:45] <Arnia> fsapo: Maybe tell gstreamer to use the ESD
[01:45] <epicenter> let me reboot, maybe that'd help.....
[01:45] <pont> what can I open MP3's with in ubuntu
[01:45] <Arnia> System > Preferences > Multimedia systems
[01:46] <fsapo> Arnia, it is already
[01:46] <Xgates> Arnia, oh there where no coincidences I assure you, hehe, I also had all the gstreamer packs on the 2nd install try say they had all done a segmentation fauly when they where getting configuerd and Openoffice also gave a configure errror too
[01:46] <Arnia> pont: Rhythmbox is installed by default. Muine, XMMS etc are available through apt
[01:46] <Xgates> try say err typos
[01:46] <fsapo> Arnia, but when i try changing the xmms plugin it gives me an error
[01:46] <Arnia> Xgates: Sounds like you have a bad disc
[01:46] <Xgates> said ......
[01:46] <Xgates> Arnia, nope md5 was ok
[01:47] <DooD> can anyone help me with realplayer?
[01:47] <Xgates> and I dl'd it a 2nd time off of bittorent and that one crapped tow
[01:47] <Arnia> Xgates: Not the download, the burn
[01:47] <Xgates> too.....
[01:47] <brrrt> does anyone know if its true that i will need a little program to run at every startup to set Numlock to on?
[01:47] <Arnia> Oh... hmm
[01:47] <Xgates> no the burns where fine
[01:47] <Arnia> In which case sounds like bad hardware
[01:47] <Xgates> the cds good too
[01:47] <Xgates> nope been running Slackware just fine for the past 2 years on this box
[01:47] <REWind> Arnia, I find Rhythmbox okay, been using a xine version imported from a rpm, but I think I need to search for it in the debian archives because ubuntu wont give the xine version on there own servers I recon...
[01:48] <Xgates> Ubuntu I see is just a bit buggy
[01:48] <Arnia> You're the only person I've heard of to have such a catastrophic failure
[01:48] <pont> Arnia, My rhythembox dosn't open mp3's
[01:48] <Xgates> I guess Im lucky then
[01:48] <pont> Arnia, Apparently
[01:48] <Xgates> LOL
[01:48] <Arnia> pont: Get gstreamer-mad
[01:48] <REWind> Arnia, as well, the Muine looks good, from the homepage... but I like to be able to listen to the radio and so on.. so a REAL and Windows multimediaplayer support have to be there..
[01:49] <pont> Arnald, Whats that ?
[01:49] <Arnia> Xgates: it still sounds like bad hardware that slack didn't happen to trip the regression on
[01:49] <Xgates> hardware is fine
[01:50] <rrfsh> hello
[01:50] <rrfsh> shrike
[01:50] <rrfsh> can u help me
[01:50] <pont> Arnald, useing apt-get ?, Is the package avalible on ppc ?
[01:50] <Arnia> Xgates: given the segmentation faults and fs corruption errors all I can suggest is either memory has problems (try memtest) or your hard-disk has begun to die
[01:51] <Arnia> pont: Yes. In the multiverse repository I believe
[01:51] <Arnia> REWind: Ubuntu has all the packages from Debian Sid
[01:51] <jamie_k> anyone help with a broken hoary upgrade? or with protocol for asking for help?!
[01:51] <REWind> pont, you need xine support to be able to play mp3.. you know mp3 is not totaly free as ogg e.g. but as Arnia said Muine supports that one amoung many doing that...
[01:51] <epicenter> WI Deleted my apt cache (foolishly) by emptying /var/cache/apt/archives. and now, I get this error when I use apt and it doesn't work: "E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.". What should I do?
[01:51] <Arnia> REWind: You don't need xine for MP3s
[01:51] <Arnia> REWind: You need gstreamer-mad
[01:52] <REWind> Arnia, -mad is that a extra package/plug in or something..
[01:52] <DooD> epicenter: use synaptic and reinstall it
[01:52] <AndyFitz> g'day,  a friend is asking me if the broadcom chipset for wireless stuff works with ubuntu
[01:52] <Arnia> REWind: Yes
[01:53] <AndyFitz> anybody familiar with it and know its support for hoary ?
[01:53] <brrrt> jamie_k: where is the problem what  did you do?
[01:53] <epicenter> fixed
[01:53] <Xgates> is there something in ubuntuguide.org that shows what all the start servicves are?
[01:53] <epicenter> had to mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/
[01:53] <epicenter> that's all :D
[01:53] <Xgates> like for instance --> mdadm
[01:53] <ozamosi> This is a very simple question. When i push "add repositories" in 5.04, it gives me a checkbox that says "limited copyright" (or something, it's in swedish on this computer). What does it mean/do?
[01:53] <ctd> AndyFitz: not natively, under an x86 you should be able to use ndiswrapper, though.
[01:53] <jamie_k> brrt: python won't dkpg
[01:54] <Tomcat_> AndyFitz: What model?
[01:54] <AndyFitz> ctd , what do you mean ?
[01:54] <Tomcat_> AndyFitz: One model seems to work out of the box, but usually broadcom needs ndiswrapper, which doesn't come with Ubuntu.
[01:54] <AndyFitz> 440cx
[01:54] <Xgates> ahh found it --> mdadm is a tool for managing Linux Software RAID arrays.
[01:54] <Tomcat_> Mh...
[01:54] <brrrt> jamie_k: urgh sounds bad, why dont do a fresh new install? (you can save/restore your home dir and /etc and package list)
[01:54] <queuetue_> Bah, got disconnected.  Sorry if I'm repeating myself.
[01:55] <pont> I can't open the Ubuntu Update mangager either, dosn't like my root password (although its correct)
[01:55] <Tomcat_> Wiki:HardwareSupport/Components/WiredNetworkCards says the Broadcom 4400 / 4401 works automatically.
[01:55] <Tomcat_> No idea about 440cx.
[01:55] <queuetue_> Now I have the mysterious cups "printer is busy, will retry in 30 seconds" - which means anything from "you got it to wrong" or "the network is down" or "The printer is on fire".
[01:55] <AndyFitz> tomcat,  440x not 440cx :P that was the model name of my old laptop
[01:55] <jamie_k> brrt: really? i don't have disks except for warty
[01:55] <AndyFitz> hrm  i'll have to install ndiswrapper then
[01:55] <epicenter> are there any DEBs for LiVES? It won't compile on AMD64.
[01:56] <Arnia> pont: entering your user password?
[01:56] <Xgates> hmm powernowd can't say I've ever used that one before
[01:56] <Xgates> controls CPU , etc....
[01:56] <Xgates> hmm
[01:56] <rrfsh> hey
[01:56] <AndyFitz> thanks tomcat & ctd !
[01:56] <Arnia> Xgates: powernowd is the power management daemon
[01:56] <ozamosi> noone?
[01:56] <rrfsh> somebody can help me PLEASE
[01:56] <Arnia> Xgates: On laptops it does an amazing job
[01:56] <pont> Arnia dosn't seem to work
[01:56] <jamie_k> brrrt: not exactly sure how that dcc works in x-chat now it's going!
[01:56] <DooD> any one can help me get realplayer to work?
[01:57] <queuetue> Is there a howto somewhere, on how to get network printing working?  (One that does not assume it all work slike magic) I've been looking for about 2 years, but expected ubuntu to have finally solved this problem...
[01:57] <Arnia> pont: sorry to be rude but is your caps lock on? ;)
[01:57] <REWind> Arnia, pont, that worked fine! Now my mp3's are playing fine in Rhythmbox.. not that I desperate needed it but it works.. so pont, you want your mp3 working with rhythmbox just install that gstream0.8-mad and your sorted!
[01:57] <pont> Arnia, LOL nah.. whats the command line for it
[01:58] <rattboi> is anyone here using Muine?
[01:58] <Arnia> sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:58] <epicenter> I am getting build errors on most things I compile in AMD64.....
[01:58] <Arnia> rattboi: I am
[01:58] <epicenter> like:
[01:58] <epicenter> "bit base/index expression
[01:58] <epicenter> /tmp/ccNj8l9d.s:1675: Error: `(%edi)' is not a valid 64 bit base/index expression
[01:58] <epicenter> "
[01:58] <pont> REWind, How do you install that ?
[01:58] <rattboi> Arnia, are you running 5.04?
[01:58] <rattboi> Mine is crashing
[01:58] <rattboi> it was working before, but at some time it started crashing
[01:58] <Xgates> Arnia, yeah cant say I need it on a desktop though hehe
[01:59] <Arnia> rattboi: 5.04, mono 1.05
[01:59] <rattboi> huh
[01:59] <rattboi> I'll have to look into it
[01:59] <rattboi> I think I'm running newest everything
[01:59] <Arnia> rattboi: Please start from the command line and pastebin your trace
[01:59] <rattboi> don't know about mono, whatever's newest in the repos
[01:59] <rattboi> Arnia, I'll have to do it later
[01:59] <rattboi> I'm at work, on Win32 atm
[01:59] <Arnia> http://pastebin.com
[02:00] <Arnia> Ok
[02:00] <REWind> pont, as Arnia told you, you enter the synaptic or enter that commandline he just broadcast here for a while ago.. have you used synaptic before?
[02:00] <pont> nope
[02:00] <rattboi> is there any VNC server for linux w/ java http server?
[02:00] <epicenter> A **LOT** of software won't compile under my AMD64 install. Why is that? .. I keep getting errors like "bit base/index expression
[02:00] <epicenter> /tmp/ccNj8l9d.s:1675: Error: `(%edi)' is not a valid 64 bit base/index expression". Is this a problem on my part or normal? :P
[02:00] <Arnia> rattboi: Gnome includes a VNC server called Vino
[02:00] <goldee> :(
[02:00] <Arnia> rattboi: System > Preferences > Remote desktop
[02:01] <rattboi> Arnia, I know that
[02:01] <rattboi> but does it have the http server?
[02:01] <Arnia> What HTTP server?
[02:01] <rattboi> w/ a java applet for client?
[02:01] <rattboi> I can't remember which VNC server I used on windows, but I could remotely access the VNC w/o installing anything on the client
[02:02] <rattboi> by using a java applet served from the server
[02:02] <rrfsh> rattboi
[02:02] <rattboi> rrfsh: what up?
[02:02] <REWind> pont, okay, you know where to find it? System-> Admin. -> Synaptic... enter your user password because your user is assoiated with the root, only you can do root actions..
[02:03] <rrfsh> sorry u sad that u can't help me
[02:03] <rattboi> that's right
[02:03] <Arnia> rattboi: Well the java applet can be reused ;)
[02:03] <fsapo> Arnia, i m getting errors when i try to use the esd with xmms or beep :(
[02:03] <rattboi> possibly...
[02:03] <Arnia> fsapo: Hmm...
[02:03] <rattboi> that'd be strange for me to set up
[02:03] <rattboi> I'll have to play with it
[02:04] <ghostfreeman_> I can't install MPlayer
[02:04] <ghostfreeman_> I get dependency errors for packages i've already installed
[02:05] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I, for the first time, have installed ubuntu (5.4 rc1) and am wondering which kind of Debian packages I could install under ubuntu without problem and if there are repositories already with more packages than the default repository. (for instance i have emacs right now but not xemacs) thanks
[02:05] <goldee> can anyone help me here??
[02:06] <goldee> plz
[02:06] <Bazzi> K_Dallas well at first enable universe and multiverse repositories
[02:06] <K_Dallas> so they are already in the there?
[02:06] <goldee> please help me
[02:07] <Bazzi> K_Dallas if theres something you dont find either, you can use also debian sid repositories, but they CAN break your install.
[02:07] <fsapo> Arnia, Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'
[02:07] <K_Dallas> (just uncomment them?) i am on windows right now so cannot check right away :(
[02:07] <Bazzi> K_Dallas 90%+ is already there, yes
[02:07] <K_Dallas> that is scary Bazzi ;)
[02:07] <Bazzi> yes, just uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:07] <K_Dallas> excellent, thanks
[02:07] <Arnia> fsapo: gstreamer-esd
[02:07] <fsapo> Arnia, got the problem
[02:07] <REWind> Arnia, do experiance the same as me.. when you have define some partitions as "user" you'll haveing them poping up on your desktop as harddrives... like the usb memorysticks do..  but even if my settings are the same all the time, those drives wont pop up each time I start.. they just randomly show up.. strange I would say...
[02:07] <fsapo> Arnia, esd wasnt running
[02:08] <Arnia> ah :)
[02:08] <pont> REWind, Cheers
[02:08] <Bazzi> K_Dallas I wouldnt be cared by breaking things, shit happens ;)
[02:08] <Bazzi> *scared
[02:08] <K_Dallas> Bazzi, i am master in breaking things so please do not encourage me more :):):)
[02:08] <fsapo> Arnia,  :D now its everything playing at same time ^^
[02:08] <fsapo> now how can i put esd to start at startup?
[02:09] <K_Dallas> (last night i tried freebsd and it messed up my boot :)
[02:09] <Bazzi> I managed to break every linux I tried so far (instantly)
[02:09] <Bazzi> except ubuntu
[02:09] <Arnia> REWind: I only have one partition bar swap
[02:09] <Arnia> fsapo: It should start automatically now
[02:09] <REWind> pont, your welcome...
[02:09] <rrfsh> rewind
[02:09] <fsapo> Arnia, ok thanx
[02:10] <Arnia> fsapo: np :)
[02:10] <rrfsh> can u help me?
[02:10] <REWind> rrfsh, yes?
[02:10] <K_Dallas> Bazzi, that is not a good advertisement for linux ;)
[02:10] <Bazzi> K_Dallas it is indeed not, and I was highly disappointed.
[02:10] <REWind> Arnia, that explains you don't experience it then... but thanks anyways!
[02:10] <louis_> hi
[02:11] <Bazzi> So I was very happy that ubuntu just worked from the start
[02:11] <K_Dallas> frankly, debian and then fedora are the only distro that i have loved to run, the rest have given me headaches
[02:11] <rrfsh> rewind i have a nokia 6630 and i want to use it like a modem
[02:11] <Bazzi> I needed to compile a kernel module to get wlan running but witht he help of this channel I succeeded
[02:11] <K_Dallas> and never tried gentoo ;) it took me once 3 days to get error messages in compilation
[02:11] <ErikHK> gentoo isnt a headache :)
[02:12] <K_Dallas> ok :)
[02:12] <REWind> rrfsh, how can you connect your phone with your computer?
[02:12] <rrfsh> with cable
[02:12] <REWind> rrfsh, bluetooth, irda, cable..
[02:12] <REWind> rrfsh, okay..
[02:12] <ErikHK> does it exist .deb-packages for alsa-drivers??
[02:12] <Adross> how do i edit the panel menu in hoary?
[02:12] <K_Dallas> anyhow, i appreciate the help Bazzi, i will try it next time i boot into linux
[02:13] <K_Dallas> (xandros is also a good distro that is why i installed it for my kid :)
[02:13] <REWind> rrfsh, I have a GSM modem in my pmcia slot and that one will be automaticly routed up in the system when I start my computer
[02:13] <hagman> #
[02:13] <hagman>     /msg nickserv set email helge.stahlmann@web.de
[02:14] <MrNonchalant> rofl
[02:14] <Bazzi> K_Dallas on what is xandros basing?
[02:14] <Fator_Dee> not like that :-)
[02:14] <REWind> rrfsh, don't Nokia talk anything about Linux support on their homepage? Nokia is very much anti Microsoft..
[02:14] <K_Dallas> debian
[02:14] <Bazzi> ah :)
[02:14] <ErikHK> REWind: why are they that?
[02:14] <MrNonchalant> http://press.nokia.com/PR/200502/980519_5.html
[02:15] <MrNonchalant> don't be too sure
[02:15] <REWind> rrfsh, do you have a standard modem installed on your computer?
[02:15] <Adross> its a trick
[02:15] <nathan_> jibrael: hi jibrael... you still on?
[02:15] <rrfsh> rewind i saw the homepage but they have only pc suite for windows
[02:15] <jibrael> yeah
[02:16] <rrfsh> rewind yes
[02:16] <pont> Yay, first time rythembox has ever worked for me
[02:16] <REWind> ErikHK, why Nokia is anti Microsoft.. the reason I say that is because I know they have been one of the major forces behind the SympianOS development on the moblie market...
[02:16] <Xgates> what /path shows the installed packages?
[02:16] <Arnia> Symbian is a lovely OS :)
[02:16] <MrNonchalant> pont: still doesn't play radio streams for me
[02:16] <rrfsh> rewind but my provider is my operator
[02:17] <pont> MrNonchalant, Hmm, thats all i could get it to do on my other computer (x86 gentoo)
[02:17] <jibrael> nathan_: send again
[02:18] <pont> In my experiance its exceedinly unstable
[02:18] <rrfsh> rewind my simcard is my provider
[02:19] <rrfsh> and used to connect my computer to the internet from windows
[02:19] <MrNonchalant> pont: is some sort of library required? because it tells me there's nothing to handle audio/mpeg
[02:19] <rrfsh> and now that i installed ubuntu i want to connect from it
[02:20] <Arnia> MrNonchalant: You need gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:20] <Arnia> rrfsh: Multisync might work here
[02:20] <MrNonchalant> Arnia: ooh, thanks
[02:20] <fsapo> how do i know wich apps are going to start in my startup?
[02:20] <andreizinca> is there a way to make printed fonts less thick ? a font printed with openoffice look a lot thicker than if printed from windows. thank you
[02:21] <Arnia> fsapo: You mean services or user apps?
[02:21] <Tomcat_> andreizinca: I doubt it... that problem is much worse: Documents in Linux have a different layout in Windows.
[02:21] <ricky_ubuntu> hi folks
[02:21] <fsapo> Arnia, everything ;)
[02:21] <Tomcat_> Congrats to the laptop team btw... hibernation RAWKS!
[02:21] <REWind> rrfsh, when I do " ls /dev/modem -l " on my system I'll get "/dev/modem -> /dev/ttyS1" this as a symbolic link to the dev /ttyS1 where my GSM modem is mounted.. To be honest, I've never done any kind of connection with a phone and a linuxsystem more then my own modem. My way of finding help was google and support hints from the manufacture. If your computer is able to configurate your Nokia as a modem automaticly you should be able to see
[02:21] <REWind> this operation your logs.. I say that my PMCIA modem was given the ttyS1 address during boot, in that way I was able to continue very quickly..
[02:21] <ricky_ubuntu> this is really amazing. I'm using ubuntu live and I have no words to express my satisfaction
[02:22] <fsapo> Arnia, since i ve installed ubuntu i didnt reboot.. 5 days till now.. and i dont know wtf is going to start in my startup :)
[02:22] <Xgates> whats using Pam in Ubuntu?
[02:22] <Arnia> fsapo: Services I wouldn't touch... they're installed when needed
[02:22] <Tomcat_> ricky_ubuntu: Install it. NOW! :-D
[02:23] <fsapo> Arnia, hum...
[02:23] <Tomcat_> ricky_ubuntu: The LiveCD is amazing, but the installed system is even more so.
[02:23] <ricky_ubuntu> Tomcat_, yeah, I'm thinking of it
[02:23] <cavediver> What tool can i use to create proper dvd iso images from a video_ts directory? I can't find how to do it.
[02:24] <ricky_ubuntu> I came to it because I've heard it topped on distrowatch, and yesterday a friend came by telling her computer (windows) is totally unusable because of a virus. That's why I burned her a live CD
[02:24] <ricky_ubuntu> live CD
[02:25] <AndyFitz> so has anyone here used ndiswrapper under hoary ?  I'm not sure how to compile the kernel module
[02:25] <REWind> rrfsh, I don't know what you mean with your provider is your operator and your sim is your provider. Basicly... the connection between your linux system and you phone have nothing to do with your simcard or your provider or your operator.. Your Network provider, that is the SIM card provider, will come into play later when you will do a dialup connection or whatever your intresst is for this connection. But then again connection with ppp o
[02:25] <REWind> ver GPRS or CSD is quite simular no matter network...
[02:25] <ricky_ubuntu> today she asked: is there a way I can write korean? I thought... hm let's try "apt-get install nabi" and hey, it worked, even on the live CD!!!! totally amazing. I think I made a convert to Linux this way... ...
[02:25] <tkz> The warty live cd didn't work too well on my machine but I tried installing anyway. And here I am now with 2 machines running Hoary :)
[02:26] <pont> MrNonchalant, Yea prolly, i just got gstreamer-mad to handle mp3s
[02:26] <fsapo> ricky_ubuntu, do ubuntu live work with pppoe conection? adsl..
[02:26] <Fator_Dee> fsapo: I think there's no live cd that doesn't
[02:26] <ricky_ubuntu> fsapo: I don't know. I have a working ethernet and it just worked. didn't have to do anything
[02:26] <rrfsh> rewind i sad that becasuse
[02:27] <ricky_ubuntu> does anyone know why xchat is eating the 2 last characters of what I'm typing? 12
[02:27] <St0n3-C0l> Is there anyway to play .wma and .rm files like amarok in Rhythmbox
[02:27] <fsapo> Fator_Dee, i have a conectiva live cd and it doesnt work with pppoe
[02:27] <cavediver> Why doesn't mkfsiso --dvd-video work in hoary ?
[02:28] <fsapo> Fator_Dee, here 99% of broadband users use pppoe connection
[02:28] <cavediver> mkisofs even
[02:28] <rrfsh> i need to find those  drivers for my nokia , if not i will not be able to connect to the internet
[02:28] <rrfsh> from ubuntu
[02:29] <REWind> St0n3-C0l, I know you can do that if you install a xine version of Rhythmbox.. but don't ask me for other solutions... an xine version of Rhythmbox can't be found in the ubuntu archives you need to find them elsewhere.. think debian archives should have them. I did just a converstion from an rpm package I found...
[02:29] <theine> fsapo: are you there isn't a tool called pppoeconf that you can launch from the terminal when running ther live-cd?
[02:29] <REWind> rrfsh, how are you surfing now?
[02:29] <St0n3-C0l> ReWind: Alright thanks :)
[02:30] <rrfsh> ok thank u
[02:30] <rrfsh> rewind
[02:30] <fsapo> theine, in the full ubuntu i do have... but i ve never tried the live cd
[02:30] <ricky_ubuntu> theine, let me check. I'm on a live
[02:30] <theine> fsapo: oh, you never tried, ok
[02:30] <fsapo> theine, if it has pppoeconf i think im gonna download it to show to some friends
[02:30] <smo> cavediver: I'm not sure how picky it is, but the option is listed as -dvd-video (not two hyphens).  try it and see if it makes a difference?
[02:30] <joh_> Have there been any problems with the installer CDs? The debian-installer cant recognize the ubuntu-hoary-i386 CD
[02:30] <fsapo> theine, i m using the full install disk
[02:31] <nachtwind> hi
[02:31] <cavediver> smo: oh... will try that
[02:31] <ricky_ubuntu> theine: /usr/sbin/pppoeconf is there
[02:31] <cavediver> smo: didn't work either
[02:31] <cavediver> mkisofs: Unable to make a DVD-Video image.
[02:32] <rrfsh> rewind i am a beginner and i don't know enought
[02:32] <tkz> cavediver:  did you try with k3b?
[02:32] <fsapo> anyone here is using the live cd?
[02:32] <cavediver> tkz: haven't tried it.
[02:32] <nachtwind> is there someone who might tell me how to logon into a domain with ubuntu?
[02:33] <brrrt> whats the upcoming ubuntus name?
[02:33] <cavediver> brrrt: breezy
[02:33] <brrrt> kewl
[02:35] <REWind> rrfsh, no worries, I know the frustration you have!
[02:35] <smo> cavediver: seems to work here (with the version included in hoary). best advice I could give is to try with -verbose and see if you can get a more detailed error out of it
[02:35] <theine> fsapo: do you know whether there is a graphical front-end for pppoeconf?
[02:36] <ricky_ubuntu> theine: it's in the shell, but it's kinda graphical...
[02:36] <REWind> rrfsh, I don't know exactly how I can help you... but I found this site "http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/daved/linux/gsm-modem.html" who is talking about a bit of your frustration and your problem. I didn't see your modell in that list but several Nokia phones are listed.
[02:36] <fsapo> theine, i think that there is one.. btw just the pppoeconf works for me.. didnt think about a front-end
[02:36] <fsapo> theine, i dont even remember that i have to connect the pc... i dont like rebooting it :)
[02:37] <queuetue> Is Arnia a op or a ubuntu project leader or something?  (s)he is beating up a little bit in provate because I appear to be snide, and I can't tell if it's a threat or not.
[02:37] <REWind> rrfsh, as I told you... if you can't find someone with more experaince about modems and Nokia phones you'll most likely need to do some resuch yourself. I know it is hard when you are a beginner, but it is very rewardable when you succed! And alonge the way you must ask for help! Have you tried google yet?
[02:38] <ricky_ubuntu> gotta go. have a wonderful ubuntu day...
[02:38] <rrfsh> rewind yes
[02:38] <ErikHK> is alsa compiled to the kernel in Ubuntu??
[02:38] <cavediver> ErikHK: yes.
[02:39] <REWind> rrfsh, did you get anything that helped?
[02:39] <bob2> ErikHK: no, it's modular
[02:39] <ErikHK> huh?
[02:39] <rrfsh> rewind i going to see
[02:39] <rrfsh> thanks
[02:40] <bob2> ErikHK: no, it's not compiled into the kernel
[02:40] <rrfsh> rewind and i will tell u after will see
[02:40] <bob2> ErikHK: it's included as modules with the default kernel, tho
[02:40] <theine> fsapo: so it seems that the live-cd includes pppoeconf
[02:40] <REWind> rrfsh, okay! I need to do some wash up now, and do some studies!
[02:40] <ErikHK> oh, ok
[02:40] <david> Sorry to bother anyone, and I know the chances of the awnser being no, but can you install ubuntu off the live cd like you can knoppix?
[02:40] <bob2> david: nope
[02:40] <david> Thanks, just asking.
[02:41] <david> Like that Iknow to get the install CD after the live that's downloading atm
[02:43] <catfox> hi all, i'm trying to add one of my home directories to sama, using the "Shared Folders" tool, but when i browse to "Windows Network" the folder doesn't show up.
[02:43] <Arnia> queuetue: I was talking to you in private conversation because I was being polite. I felt you were being more hostile than was warranted but I didn't want my comments to reflect unnecessarily badly on you here.
[02:43] <catfox> any other steps i need to take to accomplish this?
[02:44] <mlh> hoary is only giving me 640x480 @ 60Hz ... any ideas?  video card is onboard intel on a compaq/hp evo 2Ghz
[02:45] <tkz> mhy:  check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:46] <Sp4rKy> hi
[02:46] <satchmo> lo
[02:47] <catfox> no ideas, anyone?
[02:47] <GhostFreeman> is it possible to remove KDE after it's been installed using Synaptic?
[02:47] <mlh> tkz: yeah, i just thought there'd be some well-know prob ... i know how to config X.
[02:48] <Bazzi> GhostFreeman yes.
[02:48] <GhostFreeman> ok
[02:49] <queuetue> Does anyone know if Arnia ia an op or a ubuntu project leader?  The private discussion but my behavior continues...
[02:49] <catfox> GhostFreeman, just use synaptic to remove it again
[02:50] <GhostFreeman> ok
[02:50] <bob2> queuetue: arnia is not a channel op
[02:50] <Arnia> queuetue: I am neither
[02:50] <bob2> nor involved in ubuntu afaik
[02:50] <Arnia> Nor have I ever claimed otherwise
[02:51] <queuetue> Ok, just had to know so I knew how much I had to keep the kid gloves on. :)
[02:51] <tkz> mlh:  oh, ok... just installed hoary myself and was bit confused with this xorg-thing at first
[02:51] <bob2> if you guys want to argue, please keep it off-channel
[02:51] <bob2> and someone's op-ness should not be relevant to your opinion of their behaviour
[02:51] <Arnia> bob2: That was entirely why I didn't say anything on here to start with
[02:52] <bob2> thanks
[02:52] <Arnia> As I said... I don't want people to be unfairly judged for a minor transgression
[02:52] <Arnia> (in my opinion I hasten to add)
[02:52] <GhostFreeman> If you think someone's rank on the server matters more than their will to help you, get out
[02:53] <cavediver> I need someone to confirm it their mkisofs is broken in regards to create dvd-images.
[02:53] <negatory> Is anyone using ubuntu x86_64 for games with a PCI-Express card?Can you please tell your glxgears benchmark?Please private me
[02:53] <bob2> cavediver: you'd need to explain the potetental problem...
[02:54] <catfox> where's the right place to put system-wide environment vars? /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/profile?
[02:54] <Bazzi> "please cyber me" :(
[02:54] <bob2> catfox: depends what you're trying to do
[02:54] <bob2> catfox: /etc/environment might be more approriate
[02:54] <catfox> bob2, $java_home
[02:54] <catfox> and $PATH
[02:54] <bob2> the latter then
[02:54] <catfox> righto, cheers
[02:54] <cavediver> bob2: The -dvd-video option seems non-functional.
[02:55] <catfox> bob2, the latter meaning /etc/environment?
[02:55] <catfox> :)
[02:55] <bob2> catfox: yes
[02:55] <cavediver> bob2: When creating an iso image out of video_ts directory
[02:55] <bob2> but note you can't do things like PATH=/usr/blah:$PATH, iirc
[02:55] <ogra> cavediver, mkisofs doent create dvd images, you need to use growisofs for that (and have enough tmp space indeed)
[02:56] <smo> cavediver: I point it at the directory above video_ts, and it doesn't complain  (you point it at the directory which will become the root of the filesystem .. video_ts should appear below that)
[02:56] <CyberSDF> Hello !
[02:56] <catfox> bob2, how do you re-read the /etc/profile file, it's not as simple as source /etc...
[02:56] <Arnia> hello :)
[02:57] <ogra> cavediver, growisofs is in the dvd+rw-tools package
[02:57] <bob2> catfox: you mean /etc/environment? log out and in again
[02:57] <ErikHK> alsaconf doesnt give me anything in root terminal in latest ubuntu,why?
[02:57] <catfox> bob2, no way of doing it from the command line, like when editing the bash.bashrc? (source /etc/bash.bashrc)
[02:57] <CyberSDF> What is the diffrence with .../hoary and .../hoary-update ?
[02:58] <bob2> ErikHK: why do you want to run that?
[02:58] <bob2> CyberSDF: the latter gets updates, ie new versions of packages to fix bugs
[02:58] <ErikHK> to set up my soundcard that doesnt work
[02:58] <bob2> catfox: well, 'source /etc/environment' will update for the terminal you're in
[02:58] <black_Nightmare> hey :p
[02:59] <Jefis> why i can't edit my menu anymore, it doesn't save
[02:59] <catfox> right, cheers
[02:59] <Jefis> :)
[02:59] <bob2> catfox: but it's not possible to change it for all your running programs
[02:59] <CyberSDF> bob2, is better to have the 2 directory in the sources.list ?
[02:59] <l33rapod> hello folks!
[02:59] <bob2> CyberSDF: er, you want both if you want hoary and updates to it...
[03:00] <CyberSDF> right.
[03:00] <cavediver> Can one add breezy in the sources.list by the way ?
[03:00] <l33rapod> where could i find list of supported languages in ubuntu?
[03:00] <CyberSDF> And another question: what the name of ubuntu developpement version now ? :)
[03:01] <black_Nightmare> hoary I think :p
[03:01] <cavediver> CyberSDF: Breezy
[03:01] <smo> cavediver: it doesn't exist in archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ .. so I presume not (yet)
[03:01] <cavediver> ok
[03:01] <bob2> dudes
[03:01] <bob2> hoary came out < 48 hours ago
[03:01] <Bazzi> :)
[03:01] <bob2> just chill out for the weekend at least
[03:01] <CyberSDF> cavediver, thanks :)
[03:01] <Bazzi> the devs take their well deserved braks now
[03:01] <Bazzi> *breaks
[03:02] <penguin42> well hoary has survived on my machine for the night (gnome-terminal hasn't - konsole has taken over!)
[03:02] <cavediver> bob2: hey, that's 48 hours ago. We want the bleeding edge :=)
[03:02] <black_Nightmare> you're crazy cavediver
[03:02] <cavediver> Just kidding you know :=)
[03:02] <penguin42> Has anyone had problems during the install with an error about the partitioning program not having mounted anything on /target - I can't see any bug reports on it - but wanted to know what to report it against and what details would be useful
[03:03] <cavediver> Actually, they need a few days off...
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> that reminds me...
[03:03] <black_Nightmare> does ubuntu only have 'one installs all' or is there an installion customize option?
[03:04] <queuetue> Actually, it is mysteriously quiet on the apt-get front.  Maybe they are all taking a few days off. :)
[03:04] <smo> queuetue: That's pretty much the definition of a release.  It's meant to go quiet now :)
[03:04] <bob2> black_Nightmare: of course it's customisable
[03:04] <bob2> black_Nightmare: but there's usually no point, just change the defauls after the install is done
[03:05] <black_Nightmare> bob2 what if I was wanting to just like put a somewhat-bare installion on smaller hd?
[03:05] <black_Nightmare> thats why I was asking
[03:05] <penguin42> black_Nightmare: I seem to remember there was a minimal install option for servers and the like
[03:05] <queuetue> smo, I know, I know, but .. something feels wrong when I run an update and there's nothing waiting for me.  It makes my coffee taste funny or something. :)
[03:05] <bob2> black_Nightmare: sure, look at the help screens at the very first installer screen (ie the boot: promopt)
[03:05] <brrrt> please, how can i have gnome saving my numlock status or have it default to on when i logon
[03:05] <brrrt> ?
[03:06] <nachtwind> is there someone who might tell me how to logon into a domain with ubuntu?
[03:06] <black_Nightmare> bob2...hmm ty
[03:06] <penguin42> nachtwind: What type of domain - you mean windows domain, or NIS/yellow pages domain or .... ?
[03:07] <nachtwind> i have a Samba running the PDC - so i think it is a windows like domain.
[03:07] <nachtwind> Our windows clients can logon and have roaming profiles
[03:07] <nachtwind> but i dont know how to logon with linux
[03:07] <nachtwind> espeacially ubuntu
[03:07] <penguin42> nachtwind: I've never done it - but I think there is a thing to do it; I'd hunt down stuff about PAM that does the login/authentication stuff
[03:08] <black_Nightmare> its just that early powerbooks have either scsi or a small ide hd...anyway
[03:08] <penguin42> black_Nightmare: They had scsi internal laptop discs?! Wow - those got rare yonks ago
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> penguin...well...thats actually the 68k ones :p
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> ppc one were all ide as far as I know...might be wrong thou
[03:09] <ErikHK> but why doesnt the alsatools work, such as alsamixer and so on???
[03:09] <penguin42> black_Nightmare: Oh you meant **early** ones
[03:09] <nachtwind> penguin42, pam... any idead where to start?
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> several models had strange ide-hd-on-scsi-adapter setup thou
[03:10] <penguin42> nachtwind: Nope - you could try looking for a pam howto
[03:10] <penguin42> nachtwind: I wonder if the package 'libpam-smbpass    - pluggable authentication module for SMB password database' might be what you are looking for; but you probably want to ask a samba person
[03:10] <black_Nightmare> you know....
[03:11] <black_Nightmare> sometimes I wonder if linux is really even for older machines at all..considering how much hd space they always need
[03:11] <REWind> Can anyone tell why this message is poping up?
[03:11] <REWind> kernel: VFS: Can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev hda3.
[03:11] <black_Nightmare> system 7 = only uses several mb of hd space and 1mb of ram ... for that example :p
[03:11] <REWind> kernel: ReiserFS: hda3: found reiserfs format "3.6" with standard journal
[03:11] <REWind> in my startup sequence?
[03:11] <Rene_S> Interesting, Americas Army fails to install on Hoary now, something about glibc-2.1
[03:11] <REWind> I'm thinking of the VFS fault
[03:12] <bob2> REWind: it's nothing, ignore it
[03:12] <ErikHK> Debian can take round 70 MB :)
[03:12] <bob2> REWind: (it's the kernel trying to guess your root filesystem type)
[03:12] <black_Nightmare> erik...really?  where...how....hehe
[03:13] <ErikHK> but nothing works then :P
[03:13] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:13] <black_Nightmare> 68030/25 @ 80mb scsi @ 4mb ram
[03:13] <REWind> bob2, I know it's nothing iin the sense that the performance is the same. But why is this error only with kernel image Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.10-5-386 and not the 2.6.10-4 one?
[03:13] <ErikHK> hehe
[03:13] <black_Nightmare> thats my one powerbook here
[03:13] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:14] <REWind> bob2, is it because the compilation of the kernel is different?
[03:15] <ErikHK> why doesnt alsaconf work in latest Ubuntu?? :S
[03:15] <brrrt> Rene_S: what a luck!
[03:16] <penguin42> black_Nightmare: Its quite hard to put something on a machine that small - certainly I wouldn't try with a normal distro; your best bet is to look for things designed for embedded things like routers - they have similar specs to that machine :-)
[03:16] <Rene_S> brrrt, I am sure I'll figure out what happened
[03:16] <bob2> REWind: guess it's the random order the modules get loaded and tried
[03:16] <bob2> ErikHK: you don't need it
[03:16] <bob2> ErikHK: if your sound isn't working, something else is wrong
[03:17] <ErikHK> hmm...
[03:17] <brrrt> Rene_S: your machine now belongs to AA ;) thats what happened
[03:17] <xukun_> I,m trying to whatch some video online but al I see is a dark screen, what do I need to install so I can able to whacht this?
[03:17] <ErikHK> it doesnt show up in lspci
[03:17] <black_Nightmare> penguin..or just use the mac os :p
[03:17] <penguin42> black_Nightmare: Well yeh
[03:17] <black_Nightmare> system 7 installs with lot of space and some ram left here
[03:17] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:18] <bob2> ErikHK: if it's ISA, you'll have a lot more pain trying to get it to work
[03:18] <bob2> xukun_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:19] <REWind> bob2, you mean random in compiling, because it's no random in behaivor when you compare the 10-4 and 10-5 kernel in boot up. It's no major thing, just interesting to know why and perhapse to alert the guy missing that extra module ore whatever is missing/causing the behaivor.
[03:19] <ErikHK> bob2: it is ISA :D
[03:19] <the_grey_ghost> Yea I have never been able to get my isa card to work. Honestly it is next to impossible.
[03:19] <bob2> ErikHK: then you have to do a lot of playing around to get your sound card module to load
[03:19] <ErikHK> fuck
[03:20] <black_Nightmare> you'll wonder about this: 98se picks up the isa sound card just fine and shows it as PnP for some reason .. but ubuntu still has not even at LEAST detect the card
[03:20] <bob2> that should be all you have to do, tho
[03:20] <smo> black_Nightmare: off-topic, but I put slackware 3.3 onto a similar machine.  (16MHz, 3Mb, 37Mb hdd). main trick was to use two floppy drives for the install, so you don't need a ramdisk
[03:20] <black_Nightmare> strange isn't it??
[03:20] <xukun_> bob2, thanks
[03:20] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:20] <bob2> black_Nightmare: sure it can detect the card
[03:20] <bob2> black_Nightmare: run pnpdump
[03:20] <brrrt> the_grey_ghost: weren't the ISA problems 99% IRQ problems ?
[03:20] <black_Nightmare> smo....seriously? damn....hmmm....thats quite smaller than me :p
[03:20] <bob2> REWind: the kernel keeps throwing modules at the partition until one sticks, afaik the order it tries is random
[03:21] <Rene_S> Time to reinstall Warty
[03:21] <bob2> REWind: I don't think it's anything to worry about or report, unless something doesn't work
[03:21] <the_grey_ghost> brrrt I honestly do not think so. As I have no IRQ conflicts.
[03:21] <Enspyron> I have downloaded the menu editor. Is is also possible to add drop down menus next to applications, system and places?
[03:22] <Cspnic1> who have install ksirk?
[03:22] <brrrt> the_grey_ghost: sorry, just a thought, im no expert in ISA
[03:22] <bob2> do you mean "ksirc"?
[03:22] <Cspnic1> no
[03:22] <Cspnic1> a game for kde
[03:22] <RealKillaz> hello guys I just finished installing the basic configuration of ubuntu
[03:23] <RealKillaz> "server" option
[03:23] <RealKillaz> I would like to make this a web-server...
[03:23] <Enspyron> is it possible to add customized drop down menus next to applications, system and places?
[03:23] <RealKillaz> just type apt-get install apache... and it will install mysql etc too
[03:23] <lizardking> hello
[03:24] <lizardking> some help for me?
[03:24] <REWind> bob2, thanks! But may I bother you with another harmless behaivor thing. Told it to Arnia  before, but I have three partions. Witch one is a windows and the other is a linux partion. Both I've configurated as "user" and then it will get the behaivor that it will pop up as any other usb memory stick or Cdrom on my desktop, and that it will be mounted as a seperate disk in the "Computer" place. But the poping up part only happens now and the
[03:24] <REWind> n. how come?
[03:24] <lizardking> I have some problem wih hoary update
[03:24] <bob2> Enspyron: no
[03:24] <Enspyron> realkillaz, I installed apache, how do I activate it?
[03:24] <bob2> RealKillaz: so, install apache2 and mysql-server
[03:25] <black_Nightmare> one interesting question...
[03:25] <lizardking> I have some problem wih hoary update some help?
[03:25] <the_grey_ghost> bob2 pnpdump? is that a package?
[03:25] <black_Nightmare> anyone have a system with only xfree installed?  (no gui/etc yeah)
[03:25] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: it's a program
[03:25] <bob2> lizardking: you need to ask a question first...
[03:25] <lizardking> ok
[03:25] <bob2> REWind: I don't know, sorry
[03:25] <the_grey_ghost> where is it and how do I install it
[03:25] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: same way you install anything else
[03:25] <lizardking> yes I am now in hoary
[03:25] <lizardking> but...
[03:25] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: apt-cache search pnpdump
[03:26] <lizardking> i have some problem...
[03:26] <lizardking> I have follow the upgrade
[03:26] <lizardking> how to
[03:26] <RealKillaz> bob2, if I dont know the name of the package precisely.. how can I check with apt what the name is?
[03:26] <the_grey_ghost> I did a apt-get install pnpdump and no luck? Is it native to ubuntu?
[03:26] <brrrt> apt-get remove problem
[03:26] <lizardking> warty to hoary
[03:26] <bob2> RealKillaz: apt-cache search blah
[03:26] <brrrt> ;)
[03:26] <lizardking> hehe
[03:26] <the_grey_ghost> Real sudo aptitude search <package name>
[03:26] <RealKillaz> bob2, thnx
[03:26] <bob2> brrrt: you need to give a ton more detail
[03:26] <lizardking> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25474
[03:27] <brrrt> i am sorry jzust a joke
[03:27] <lizardking> i have this problems..
[03:27] <REWind> bob2, no worries! As I told you, it's no major thing. But should I report that or can I consider the "problem"/behaivor beeing noted by someone and worked with when time allows?
[03:27] <vio_> hi, i'm running ubuntu 5.04. what's the command to shut down X? i tried init 3 but i won't work
[03:27] <vio_> any ideas?
[03:27] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: no, it's not ubuntu-specific, but I have no idea what package it's in
[03:27] <bob2> vio_: "shut down X"?
[03:27] <lizardking> some idea?
[03:27] <bob2> REWind: if it's intermittently broken, yeah, file a bug
[03:27] <vio_> yeah i want to install the binary nvidia driver
[03:28] <brrrt> you should instal the nvidia driver from source
[03:28] <bob2> vio_: then, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:28] <bob2> brrrt: why should someone do that?
[03:28] <zenfoo> ubuntu-fr
[03:28] <HKSDU> I have a question.  If I have a tiny size of linux partition that has a tiny size of kernel and a firewall, I want it to install on a computer that has no disk, do I install this linux on a floppy, put Ramdisk in kernel parameter, set the Ramdisk mount partition to the linux partition?
[03:28] <vio_> ok bob2
[03:28] <vio_> but how can i shut down X?
[03:28] <lizardking> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25474
[03:28] <bob2> vio_: you don't need to
[03:28] <brrrt> bob2: sorry i shut up now
[03:28] <penguin42> HKSDU: There are special small installations designed for that type of thing
[03:28] <bob2> HKSDU: try asking in #leaf or something, that's complicated and not related to ubuntu
[03:28] <shivy> Im really having trouble with the ATI drivers ./.. Should I compile a new kernel first ?
[03:29] <brrrt> bob2: i do it and its very easy
[03:29] <shivy> And then install the drivers ?
[03:29] <queuetue> #leaf?
[03:29] <lizardking> thank you for help
[03:29] <bob2> shivy:  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:29] <HKSDU> thanks
[03:30] <HKSDU> is there any general linux channel on freenode that I can ask this question?
[03:30] <vio_> but bob2.. thats a general question
[03:30] <vio_> it should be possible to shut down X
[03:30] <bob2> vio_: sure
[03:30] <bob2> vio_: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[03:30] <vio_> ok
[03:30] <bob2> vio_: but it's not something  you're ever likely to need to dp
[03:30] <eugenesan> hi all, is there any mini-cd or netinst version of ubuntu install?
[03:31] <accuser> shivy, what seems to be the problem?
[03:32] <penguin42> (kind of related to eugenesan's question) can you install ubuntu with debootstrap or similar from another distro?
[03:32] <bob2> yes
[03:33] <penguin42> bob2: Ah cool - I've used that to get me out of holes on machines with Debian where the kernel wouldn't boot it
[03:33] <Shufla> hello :)
[03:33] <penguin42> hi
[03:35] <RealKillaz> is there some kind of howto where I can get help for installing/configuring network settings?
[03:35] <bob2> man 5 interfaces
[03:35] <bob2> edit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:35] <shivy> accuser its still on MESA
[03:36] <HappyPills> oooh... freebsd is tricky to configure... really makes me want to go back to ubuntu
[03:36] <penguin42> RealKillaz: System->Administration>Network settings seems to work for most basic things
[03:36] <shivy> i dont seem to have /proc/pci
[03:36] <shivy> where is it ?
[03:37] <penguin42> shivy: It is something you can configure in or out in the kernel
[03:37] <penguin42> shivy: Use lspci to get the same info
[03:37] <shivy> thanx
[03:37] <RealKillaz> bob2, sudo edit /etc/network/interfacs give me some mime thing error
[03:37] <ctd> pont: wonderful bug, isn't it.
[03:38] <pont> ctd, Dosn't work then ?
[03:39] <bob2> RealKillaz: then use nano or something
[03:39] <RealKillaz> no "edit" mailcap rules found for type
[03:39] <bob2> RealKillaz: whatever editor you normally use
[03:39] <ctd> pont: nope.
[03:39] <bob2> "edit" is a verb, not a program ;)
[03:39] <ctd> pont: you'll have to hold down the power button till it turns off
[03:39] <ctd> pont: and reboot it
[03:39] <pont> ctd, Hmm, does anyone know why ?
[03:39] <penguin42> bob2: Wrong, /usr/bin/edit
[03:40] <RealKillaz> bob2.. ah :D
[03:40] <RealKillaz> Im trying to install joe, but no luck
[03:40] <REWind> bob2, found the bug, called 7616 and they are working on it.. just need to wait then I suppose..
[03:40] <bob2> penguin42: "when I write edit, I mean it as a verb, not a program"
[03:40] <penguin42> RealKillaz: nano should be installed
[03:40] <penguin42> bob2: Ah....
[03:41] <pont> ctd, found this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2368.html
[03:41] <RealKillaz> never used nano.... but lemme try it
[03:41] <penguin42> RealKillaz: It's pretty easy to use
[03:41] <sdogi> where does gnome-panel store its settings? i have to reset it to default but i'm unable to do it
[03:41] <sdogi> i deleted all those .gnome dirs in my home folder
[03:42] <penguin42> sdogi: Try .gnome2/panel2.d
[03:42] <sdogi> deleted that
[03:42] <kbrooks> oh
[03:42] <sdogi> doesn't help
[03:42] <kbrooks> penguin42, *all*
[03:42] <andrewski> why the heck can't you have kvim and gvim installed at the same time?!
[03:42] <Smeven> is there a gtk-demos package?
[03:43] <penguin42> kbrooks: Pardon?
[03:43] <RealKillaz> penguin4, you're right.....
[03:43] <blacking> hello guys
[03:43] <andrewski> Smeven: what are you looking for?
[03:43] <blacking> small help..
[03:43] <sdogi> it is like, no matter what i do this panel still appears back like i set it
[03:43] <kbrooks> andrewski, because kvim is default. you need to setup vim gui to be gvim
[03:43] <sdogi> and there is like some applet that is crashing it
[03:43] <blacking> someone kno as install ubuntu inside a pen drive?
[03:43] <andrewski> kbrooks: yes, but why can't both coexist?
[03:43] <Smeven> andrewski: the gtk-demos package?
[03:43] <Smeven> ?=.
[03:44] <kbrooks> andrewski, hmmm, ask #kde
[03:44] <sdogi> i guess i'll have to reinstall gnome
[03:44] <kbrooks> sdogi, no
[03:44] <andrewski> kbrooks: no, don't think it's a kde problem.  i could do that in gentoo.
[03:44] <kbrooks> reinstall gnome-applets
[03:44] <andrewski> Smeven: yes, but why?
[03:44] <Shufla> are there any t-shirts with ubuntu logo and website address? i'm able to make some t-shirts, and i would happy to "authorize" them by Canonical. who should I ask? :D
[03:44] <Smeven> nevermind
[03:45] <Shufla> (we are already making some t-shirts for some friends to propagate ubuntu spirit)
[03:45] <blacking> i would like to make this, for my work..
[03:45] <Smeven> people are so unhelpful sometimes
[03:45] <sdogi> kbrooks: will try
[03:45] <andrewski> Smeven: yes, very sorry i responded.
[03:46] <Smeven> yeah, me too
[03:46] <andrewski> Smeven: if i knew what you were looking for, perhaps i could help.
[03:46] <Smeven> i told you
[03:46] <Enspyron> then tell again
[03:46] <Smeven> but, disregard my messages
[03:46] <sdogi> is the kubuntu thing usable already?
[03:47] <andrewski> Smeven: i didn't.  but obviously there's no gtk-demos package.  do gtk demos exist?
[03:47] <Fator_Dee> Shufla: you write too clearly, drink more
[03:47] <Riddell> sdogi: very much so
[03:47] <Smeven> yes
[03:47] <Smeven> they do
[03:47] <sdogi> that is nice
[03:47] <andrewski> Smeven: ok, can you give a website for reference?  something?
[03:47] <andrewski> Smeven: i can only help if i know what you're talking about. :P
[03:47] <penguin42> andrewski: Try installing the telepathy package
[03:47] <Unipal> can I install Fluxbox in stead of Gnome?
[03:48] <CyberSDF> Why most of package depend of ubuntu-desktop ? Is it *realy* safe to remove it ?
[03:48] <Fator_Dee> CyberSDF: it's just a meta-package
[03:48] <Shufla> Fator_Dee: :D that was very, very heart-painfull weekend :D
[03:48] <HiddenWolf> CyberSDF, as long as you don't dist-upgrade to a new version without it, it is safe
[03:48] <andrewski> penguin42: hmm, it says i'm missing some libraries... :/
[03:49] <Rod> hi
[03:49] <penguin42> andrewski: Ah well if you had it installed then you'd know where to get them
[03:49] <Rod> my internet connection doesnt work in hoary, and I dont know where to start
[03:49] <andrewski> penguin42: damn.
[03:49] <Rod> could you please point me in some directions?
[03:49] <penguin42> Rod: How is your computer connected to the intranet
[03:49] <penguin42> ^ra^er
[03:49] <Rod> penguin42, computer is behind a router
[03:49] <Rod> router is connected with cable internet
[03:49] <CyberSDF> HiddenWolf, Fator_Dee: Thanks
[03:50] <Shufla> i'm reading right now comments on /. about ubuntu 5.04 release. how nice there are :d
[03:50] <penguin42> Rod: And the router is connected to your computer by ethernet ?
[03:50] <Shufla> s/there/they/
[03:50] <Rod> yes penguin42
[03:50] <Unipal> can I install Fluxbox in stead of Gnome?
[03:50] <andrewski> Smeven: anything?
[03:50] <xthepic> Shufla: i just installed ubuntu last night. i switched from mandrake. so far i'm loving it.
[03:50] <Rod> penguin42, in ubuntu i cant see the router neither by typing it's ip in the browser
[03:51] <penguin42> Rod: If you go to System->Administration->Network settings does it show an ethernet connection?
[03:51] <Rod> penguin42, it should work with the forcedeth module
[03:51] <Unipal> Shufla: Why did you switch?
[03:51] <Rod> emm not sure penguin42 ; ill check that one out
[03:51] <Rod> brb, reboot
[03:51] <penguin42> Rod: Or ifconfig if you are more comfortable with that
[03:51] <Rod> ok, both will do, ill write them down
[03:52] <andrewski> Rod: but you can see the router in another distro/OS?
[03:52] <Rod> see you
[03:52] <Rod> andrewski, well im in windows now and it works just fine
[03:52] <Rod> and in gentoo it works ok
[03:52] <penguin42> Rod: The trick will be to compare what gentoo ifconfig says and ubuntu ifconfig says
[03:52] <andrewski> yeah
[03:52] <Shufla> Unipal: to ubuntu? hm. consitent. predictible. debian (which I know well) based. tweakable. supported. and last but least sponsored.
[03:52] <Rod> and during install it doesnt seem to have probs with setting up dhcp
[03:53] <Shufla> i've switched on some machines on 10.2004
[03:53] <linley> installed 5.0.4 today and cannot get sound working  c-media cm8738 ion i386 . Any ideas?
[03:53] <penguin42> linley: Quite a few people are having sound problems
[03:53] <Xgates> I'm trying to run "make menuconfig" to build a kernel, and it says:
[03:53] <Xgates> >> You must install ncurses-devel in order
[03:53] <Xgates> >> to use 'make menuconfig'
[03:54] <Xgates> but apt-get shows nothing for Ncurses
[03:54] <Shufla> linley: 5.04 not 5.0.4.
[03:54] <linley> Penguin- yeah , was working fine in  warty
[03:54] <Xgates> hmm what gives for that then?
[03:54] <blacking> guys does anyone know as installa a small snapshot of ubuntu inside a pen drive?
[03:54] <dos000> anyone knows how to restore a default desktop ?
[03:54] <penguin42> Xgates: Try installing libncurses5-dev
[03:54] <Xgates> penguin42, ok thanks
[03:54] <Shufla> Xgates: apt-cache search curses devel
[03:54] <Unipal> Shufla: I was just looking at Mandrake 10.1. Only for a try.
[03:54] <Xgates> Shufla, thx
[03:55] <andrewski> blacking: source-based distros are better for that as far as i've heard.
[03:55] <Unipal> can I install Fluxbox in stead of Gnome?
[03:55] <hybrid> yes
[03:55] <andrewski> Unipal: sure, just install it in synaptic.
[03:56] <Unipal> synaptic?
[03:56] <andrewski> Unipal: or apt-get
[03:56] <Shufla> Unipal: yes. Adminstration->Add/Remove Programs.
[03:56] <blacking> ok sure, but is it posssible?
[03:56] <penguin42> Unipal: The pretty graphical apt-get front end
[03:56] <Fator_Dee> Unipal: synaptic is a graphic package-manager
[03:57] <Unipal> Okay, I'll try synaptic
[03:57] <Shufla> fisrt time i used ubuntu it was on Pii 400Mhz with 64MBram - serving my dekstop @ work and some file on samba :D
[03:57] <Shufla> Unipal: try sudo synaptic
[03:57] <andrewski> speaking of, why is synaptic not in the gnome menu anymore?!
[03:57] <Unipal> Are there any things to configure much
[03:58] <Shufla> andrewski: it is.
[03:58] <ej> hey, anyone knows how to browse offline with firefox
[03:58] <andrewski> Unipal: well, you could turn on more repositories for more packages.  i don't know which rep it's in.
[03:58] <Shufla> andrewski: there're are more "Top level" menus
[03:59] <Unipal> Is there a wiki for Fluxbox or any instructions?
[03:59] <andrewski> Unipal: see flux's website.
[03:59] <blacking> the official site of ubuntu don't report info how to do..
[03:59] <andrewski> Shufla: hmm, well, the only .desktop file in /usr/share/applications is synaptic-kde.desktop
[04:00] <xthepic> fluxbox is in main, iirc. so it should be pretty stable on ubuntu.
[04:00] <andrewski> blacking: is it possible on any distro or with ubuntu?
[04:00] <blacking> ubuntu
[04:01] <andrewski> blacking: i would assume so.
[04:01] <xthepic> actually no, fluxbox is in universe.
[04:01] <andrewski> blacking: but the lack of a wikipage is kind of discouraging.
[04:01] <andrewski> Unipal: ^^^ you'll have to enable the universe rep.
[04:02] <blacking> why?
[04:02] <Unipal> when I install Fluxbox, is it possible to switch beteween Gnome and FB?
[04:02] <d> Is there a guide for setting up hdparm under Ubuntu anywhere?
[04:02] <andrewski> blacking: well, *i* don't know how to do it.  i'm assuming you don't either.  so you'll need some instructions. :P
[04:02] <andrewski> d: man hdparm.  maybe look at the wiki?
[04:02] <d> Why isn't DMA acceleration on by default?
[04:02] <blacking> oki
[04:03] <d> I've searched the wiki- nothing
[04:03] <andrewski> blacking: and no ubuntu instructions means not likely that you'll get it working with ubuntu. :/
[04:03] <d> ok, somebody mentioned they had to change hdparm.conf but that was it
[04:03] <andrewski> blacking: but, if you get that far, i'd suggest xfce as a DE to put on there.  it's small and awesome.
[04:04] <andrewski> d: yes, you can turn DMA on there.
[04:04] <blacking> probably you have reason..
[04:04] <andrewski> blacking: a reason for my suggestion?
[04:04] <blacking> i think so
[04:04] <d> andrewski: how do I know what setting are optimal for my drives?
[04:04] <rem> hey all ..
[04:05] <andrewski> d: you know, i've never figured that out. :(
[04:05] <rem> does anyone know the default password to access cups ?
[04:05] <rbrt> unipal: it is possible to add an entry to GDM for fluxbox, if that is what you mean.
[04:05] <andrewski> blacking: yes, i said my reason.  it's small and awesome.  and if you're used to gnome, it's right up your alley.
[04:05] <andrewski> blacking: i use xfce as default on my desktop, no less.
[04:05] <rem> its asking for a password and its not the root or any other account ..
[04:05] <rem> ..and i just installed clean hoary
[04:05] <andrewski> d: but at the very least, you could turn on DMA
[04:06] <blacking> gnome it's the best
[04:06] <EddieX> rbrt, Yes it is,
[04:06] <blacking> also xfce good
[04:06] <rbrt> blacking: <3 enlightenment :D
[04:07] <rbrt> dr17 looks very neat :)
[04:07] <EddieX> rbrt, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18626&highlight=blackbox+gdm Do like this for fluxbox :)
[04:07] <Rod> hi
[04:07] <andrewski> Smeven: and you wanted to complain about me being unhelpful?  sheesh.
[04:07] <madsen> Yo!
[04:07] <Rod> ifconfig gave me a lo device and a eth0 device
[04:08] <rbrt> eddiex: I am sorry, I cannot watch it now. I have only a console :P
[04:08] <rbrt> eddiex: I am waiting for my Ubuntu-CD to get down.
[04:08] <rbrt> 15 minutes remaining
[04:08] <Rod> under conncections tab (admin menu) i got this:
[04:08] <rbrt> and then burn it out
[04:08] <rbrt> etc
[04:08] <rbrt> :)
[04:08] <Rod> the interface eth0 is active
[04:08] <madsen> Is there some docs on upgrading from Warty to Hoary somewhere?
[04:08] <Shufla> re
[04:08] <rbrt> I will watch whenever I can :)
[04:08] <Smeven> andrewski: you need to find something more productive to do
[04:08] <d> I only use Linux on my machine, OSS supporter that I am, but I still find myself going to the command prompt and editing text files a lot. Ubuntu and Linux in general is still some way off the ease of use required to match OSX/ XP
[04:08] <Rod> under the dns tab there were 3 IP?
[04:08] <madsen> Or is it just replacing "warty" with "hoary" in sources.list?
[04:08] <Shufla> synaptic is in System->Administraton->Add/Remove programs
[04:08] <Rod> + search domains: venlo1.lb.home.nl (which is ok i guess since i live there)
[04:09] <andrewski> Smeven: like look for gtk demos?
[04:09] <EddieX> rbrt,  :) Ok, well check the ubuntu forums later on, search for "blackbox in gdm"
[04:09] <Shufla> or ->Synaptic package manager
[04:09] <Rod> hosts tab: this gives me a lot of IP6 stuff in it?
[04:09] <whiskers> did anybody get an updated menueditor yet
[04:09] <Rod> ....
[04:09] <andrewski> Rod: that seems ok.  could you see the router?
[04:09] <rem> has anyone ever been able to print on a network printer with ubuntu ?
[04:09] <Rod> no, i could not see it
[04:09] <Shufla> madsen: read update notes on ubuntulinux.org
[04:09] <rbrt> Ubuntu is based upon Debian, was it?
[04:10] <Jerub> rbrt: yes
[04:10] <Shufla> rem: i was. there sometimes problems with windows network administration.
[04:10] <madsen> Shufla: I'm tring to find something there, but I can't...
[04:10] <DanglyBits> ubuntu noobie question...How can i get NVu onto my system?
[04:10] <rbrt> :)
[04:10] <whiskers> well i sure don't see how gnome lasted all these years without a menu editor
[04:10] <Shufla> rbrt: indeed. it _is_ based on debvian.
[04:10] <penguin42> rem: Hey your still trying - I filed a bug against it last night!
[04:10] <andrewski> Rod: hmm.  and what did ifconfig say?
[04:10] <Shufla> madsen: funny... I've got it on RC
[04:10] <madsen> Shufla: RC?
[04:10] <whiskers> and a mime editor
[04:10] <rbrt> I have not tried ubuntu, so I am attempting to do so now :)
[04:10] <rem> apt-get install Nvu ..or from their site the debian one. i had the v0.90 working fine ..
[04:10] <Shufla> whiskers: distro deployers where responsible for nice menu.
[04:11] <Shufla> madsen: ReleaseCandidate
[04:11] <whiskers> Shufla, well i suppose
[04:11] <rem> nvu wasnt in warty..dunno if its hoary ..
[04:11] <Friczy> re
[04:11] <Rod> andrewski, is there a way to shut that IP6 stuff of and get back to ip4?
[04:11] <whiskers> Shufla, but uh...it would have made their job easier as well
[04:11] <andrewski> Rod: i think that stuff's ok.
[04:11] <Friczy> why can't download the dvd image via bittorrent?
[04:11] <rem> of course sudo apt-get if not in root ..
[04:12] <Shufla> whiskers: not excatly.
[04:12] <andrewski> Rod: i mean, i have it in mine too. :P
[04:12] <Friczy> rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker - why is this message?
[04:12] <whiskers> Shufla, why not exactly
[04:12] <Rod> andrewski, well, ifconfig said that there was a lo device with the ip 127.0.0.1 or so and the eth0 device didnt have a IP
[04:12] <Shufla> whiskers: it's harder to support customized distro. if you delete all menus corresponding for administration 4exmple.
[04:12] <madsen> Shufla: Where on the website should it be? Wiki? FAQ?
[04:12] <andrewski> Rod: can you be on ubuntu and here at the same time?
[04:12] <rem> does anyone know the syntax to print to a network printer .. ? ipp://192.168.x.x:9100 .. ??
[04:12] <Shufla> madsen: try them search tools. my connection is lagged with torrents :>
[04:12] <whiskers> Shufla, well not really because you can always use the launcher approach to get something you need
[04:13] <DanglyBits> rem: apt-get install NVu doesnt work..so go to the NVu website or is there a ubuntu respository that has it?
[04:13] <madsen> Shufla: Tried those as well...
[04:13] <whiskers> Shufla, but what bothers me is this nondelete stuff
[04:13] <Rod> andrewski, yeah; will do... got 5 minutes?
[04:13] <andrewski> Rod: yup.
[04:13] <SpaceNuts> hi, anyone know how to add the marilatt rep. in Synaptic, the wiki page is not up to date
[04:14] <rem> they have one for a debian flavor on their website, follow instructions, its pretty easy, v.090 worked for me in warty ..
[04:14] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: hoary or warthy?
[04:14] <DanglyBits> rem: thanks
[04:14] <SpaceNuts> Shufla: hoary
[04:14] <Shufla> ok... dist-upgrade :D
[04:14] <SpaceNuts> Shufla: ?
[04:14] <Hannes_> hmm
[04:14] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: there's advanced option in synaptic's repository "Adder"
[04:14] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: just put there full line for apt-get
[04:15] <SpaceNuts> Shufla: I did, but it gives an error
[04:15] <SpaceNuts> Shufla: wait I will post it
[04:15] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: as described in ubuntuguide.org
[04:15] <fsapo> my glx driver stopped working :(
[04:15] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: argh. i'm too drunk right now. :(
[04:15] <EddieX> Anyone installed the "server" setup?
[04:15] <SpaceNuts> Shufla: A ok, don't drink too much
[04:16] <EddieX> I did that on my laptop and i must say it works absolutely great :)
[04:16] <whiskers> EddieX, nobody is stupid to mess with servers...that was yesterday's technology
[04:16] <SpaceNuts> Shufla: I used the ubuntuguide.org manual
[04:16] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: just started.
[04:16] <SpaceNuts> Shufla: but I get this: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[04:16] <EddieX> whiskers, Hmm a "slim" installation should also be a correct name for that setup ? ;)
[04:16] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: did you used that for hoary? the "new" one?
[04:16] <whiskers> SpaceNuts, i see you are learning how to experiment with gpg
[04:17] <Rod> ill be right abco
[04:17] <SpaceNuts> whiskers: a what? just trying to add an repository
[04:17] <Rod> back\
[04:17] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: read carefully about adding new repos. there are command to install GPG keys for that repo.
[04:17] <SpaceNuts> Shufla: ah ok thx already
[04:17] <Shufla> SpaceNuts: n/p.
[04:18] <RealKillaz> how can I check which parts of a program is installed with apt-get?
[04:18] <whiskers> you see if everyone puts stuff on p2p and some use gpg for whatever reason nobody is going to know which file to decrypt because it would be like finding a needle in a haystack
[04:18] <fsapo> noob question: i m installing the linux-image-k7 is it going to be automaticaly added to the grub menu?
[04:18] <RealKillaz> I want to check if the module php-mysql is installed b'cause it look like it is not
[04:18] <penguin42> fsapo: It did for me
[04:18] <madsen> Was updating from Warty to Hoary pretty seamless to you folks?
[04:18] <fsapo> penguin42, ok.. thanx.. gonna reboot :)
[04:19] <Kinsei> madsen: for me it was
[04:19] <madsen> Kinsei: Cool!
[04:19] <penguin42> (non tech question) What is the relationship between unbuntu package maintainers and the debian ones for the same packages? Are they the same or is there a seperate set?
[04:19] <madsen> Kinsei: No problems with XFree -> X.org transition?
[04:19] <Shufla> RealKillaz: dpkg -l | grep -i php-mysql
[04:19] <Shufla> RealKillaz: or apt-get install php-mysql
[04:20] <Kinsei> madsen: no, it was fine. although I did have to reboot.
[04:20] <madsen> Kinsei: Ew! Reboot! :( :-p
[04:20] <madsen> Kinsei: Well, thanks!
[04:20] <Kinsei> Anytime
[04:20] <penguin42> my_master_cspnic: Oy! Stay still
[04:20] <libben> how do i burn audio cd? from mp3's ... wanna play it in my carstereo
[04:20] <madsen> Kinsei: A friend of mine runs Ubuntu, but he's _very_ non-techie, so I'd like to make sure that he can just upgrade himself.
[04:21] <madsen> libben: k3b
[04:21] <RealKillaz> Shufla: sudo apt-get install php-mysql doesnt exist
[04:21] <acidspoon> why are all my icons, frames and so on in ubuntu so big although i've 1280x1024?
[04:21] <madsen> RealKillaz: php4-mysql I think...
[04:21] <Shufla> libben: you've got to read about restriced formats in ubuntu. try on www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:21] <Shufla> RealKillaz: you've got to add universe AFAIR
[04:21] <RealKillaz> madsen: ok lemme test that
[04:22] <madsen> RealKillaz: Provided that you run php4 of course... Otherwise you might want php5-mysql or php5-mysqli (iirc).
[04:22] <Kinsei> I wish I could upgrade myself
[04:22] <madsen> Kinsei: ?
[04:22] <Enspyron> Is there something like photoshop for linux?
[04:22] <Myrtti> Gimp
[04:22] <penguin42> Enspyron: Gimp is pretty good
[04:22] <individ> how can i upgrade the whole distro to the newest release available?
[04:22] <Kinsei> "...I'd like to make sure that he can just upgrade himself."
[04:22] <madsen> Kinsei: Oh! Lol!
[04:22] <my_master_csp> the gimp
[04:22] <RealKillaz> madsen: no I'm running php4
[04:22] <\sh> guys...on the 5.04 release, all the kde dev libs for 3.4.0 are in the repository?
[04:22] <Myrtti> pixel32, but it's commercial
[04:22] <Myrtti> but good, too
[04:23] <libben> Shufla, i think i got it... i can play mp3s and all that... i think i have gnomebaker fixed up for it... i just noticed the audio tab in there.... and now it says my cd is 55 mins and 14 secs.. soo thats a good sign
[04:23] <madsen> Kinsei: Hehe, well... Ubuntu IS great, but it still can't upgrade neither me nor my friends.
[04:23] <Goessen> .
[04:23] <penguin42> \sh: KDE went in ok for me
[04:23] <RealKillaz> madsen: still the php4-mysql wont install, Shufla said something about the universe AFAIR
[04:23] <Rod> hi
[04:23] <DooD> hi guys
[04:23] <Kinsei> madsen: ...yet
[04:23] <madsen> Kinsei: hehe
[04:23] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[04:23] <DooD> anyone know how i can install quicktime on linux?
[04:23] <\sh> penguin42: i don't mean the kde itself, i mean the developer libs
[04:23] <Enspyron> is it possible to run windows video files like wmv or avi on linux
[04:23] <\sh> Riddell: thx :)
[04:23] <\sh> so its time to change distros :)
[04:24] <penguin42> \sh seems to be there: Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3
[04:24] <madsen> RealKillaz: Hmm, you may be right... Add the universe/multiverse to your sources.list, apt-get update and try again.
[04:24] <Rod> andrewski, ok... i got both computers running now... One is downstairs though, and the other one is 2 floors above hehe so don't play with me ok? : )
[04:24] <my_master_csp> Enspyron>of course
[04:24] <my_master_csp> Enspyron>gstreamer
[04:24] <Enspyron> cool
[04:24] <Enspyron> whatabout codec packs?
[04:24] <\sh> riddel: hehe thx man :) i was there the last time :) when 5.04 was beta ;)
[04:24] <DooD> no one knows how to install quicktime?
[04:24] <andrewski> Rod: deal.  open up networking again... (don't go yet)
[04:24] <RealKillaz> madsen: ok.. first lemme figure out how to add those sources... :)
[04:24] <Shufla> bye bye
[04:25] <Enspyron> for windows I used to install kazaa codec pack
[04:25] <madsen> RealKillaz: It's on ubuntulinux.org somewhere.
[04:25] <Enspyron> Is there something similar?
[04:25] <RealKillaz> madsen: yup I saw it y'day....
[04:25] <my_master_csp> Enspyron>win32codec
[04:25] <Turtlewind> hi - I have some dumb newbie questions to ask
[04:26] <Enspyron> does it work for divx, xvid, AC3 etc
[04:26] <andrewski> Rod: open up the eth0 properties and tell me everything it says in there.  (not yet)
[04:26] <Turtlewind> I have been using the Live CD for a while and liked it, and I want to install Ubuntu properly
[04:26] <Turtlewind> but I don't want to get rid of Windows
[04:26] <andrewski> Rod: and tell me which IPs you have for DNS
[04:26] <jfk303> http://ccc.domaindlx.com/jkennedy/Screenshot01.png Shows screenshot of Gaim IM buddy list and chat, Skype and XChat in #ubuntu channel. I like comunication in ubuntu...
[04:26] <fsapo> please somebody help :( my 3d acceleration stopped working.. i m gettin this: X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[04:26] <andrewski> Rod: and tell me the default gateway device.  ready... go! :P
[04:26] <penguin42> fsapo: Do a glxinfo   and tell me what it says for the line 'direct rendering'
[04:26] <RealKillaz> Turtlewind: dual-boot?
[04:26] <Turtlewind> can someone point me to a guide of how to install it onto a computer that already has Windows XP?
[04:27] <Kinsei> the default colours in ubuntu's xchat are burning holes in my retinas
[04:27] <Turtlewind> RealKillaz - yes please
[04:27] <Rod> andrewski, ty :)
[04:27] <\sh> jfk303: u got the gaim-e plugin running? i need for my jabber communications gpg :)
[04:27] <andrewski> Rod: let me know when you're back.
[04:27] <RealKillaz> Turtlewind: I have no manual....
[04:27] <RealKillaz> Turtlewind: sorry
[04:27] <madsen> Well, gotta go! See you later people! :)
[04:27] <Turtlewind> I tried searching the website but couldn't find anything obvious
[04:28] <fsapo> penguin42, dont have a direct rendering line O_O
[04:28] <individ> hey! i have the test (or dev whatever is called) release of Ubuntu Linux 5.04 and i see the final release of 5.04 is out! how can i upgrade to  this final one without downloading the cd and installing it?
[04:28] <padraig_> lo there, is there anything to be careful about before I buy a USB key/pen?
[04:28] <rtmdctr2> Turtlewind, have faith. Ubuntu installs seamlessly with an XP partition running. I know!
[04:28] <\sh> individ: sudo apt-get update
[04:28] <\sh> individ: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:28] <penguin42> fsapo: Near the top? About the 3rd line of output of glxinfo for me says 'direct rendering: Yes' - what does yours say ?
[04:28] <fsapo> penguin42, direct rendering: No
[04:28] <dj28> padlefot, not really. just don't get a really cheap one because it will fail after a lot of use
[04:28] <fsapo> penguin42, it was working :(
[04:29] <penguin42> fsapo: Which card?
[04:29] <individ> \sh, thanks :)
[04:29] <fsapo> penguin42, radeon 9800pro
[04:29] <penguin42> fsapo: So what have you done between it working and it not working?#
[04:29] <Turtlewind> rtmdctr2 - so I just partition the drive and run the installer normally?
[04:29] <fsapo> penguin42, installed mesa3
[04:29] <padraig_> thanks dj28
[04:29] <penguin42> fsapo: That was probably a bad thing to do
[04:29] <fsapo> penguin42, but i uninstalled it
[04:29] <fsapo> penguin42, and reinstalled the fglrx driver =/
[04:29] <rtmdctr2> Turtlewind, you're not just running one hard drive, are you?
[04:30] <Turtlewind> yes, I only have one hard drive
[04:30] <fsapo> penguin42, but it still doesnt work :( i have reinstalled the xorg-mesa too
[04:30] <hkais> hi
[04:30] <Kinsei> that's better
[04:30] <penguin42> fsapo: erk that is going to be messy to sort out - try an   dpkg -l *mesa* - what does it list?
[04:30] <Turtlewind> I understand that I will have to partition it (although I don't know how)
[04:31] <RealKillaz> Turtlewind: Did you already have the HD partitioned?
[04:31] <Turtlewind> and was just wondering if there was a guide anywhere
[04:31] <Turtlewind> RealKillaz - no
[04:31] <Rod> andrewski, alright:
[04:31] <RealKillaz> Turtlewind: do you have more then one partition
[04:31] <Rod> andrewski, eth0 properties says it is configured using dhcp
[04:31] <fsapo> penguin42, lists a lot of packages O.o
[04:31] <Enspyron> If I install ubuntu, will it automatically add Windows xp to the boot manager?
[04:31] <penguin42> Turtlewind: If you can get yourself  some free space under windows by using windows to get you space for a partition then the standard installer should do you ok
[04:31] <gintas> hi guys, I intend to install hoary on my Toshiba A15-S157 laptop (i810 audio), but I decided to try the live CD first. It hangs immediately after trying to start up X.Org (and emits a beep)
[04:31] <hkais> is there any list of all available packages in ubuntu, maybe something like the http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages with a search engine?
[04:31] <Kinsei> Enspyron: yep
[04:31] <Turtlewind> penguin42 - thanks
[04:31] <fsapo> penguin42, pn  xlibmesa3      <none>         (no description available)
[04:32] <Turtlewind> sencond dumb question: how do I make a partition?
[04:32] <penguin42> fsapo: It just lists xlibmesa-dri, xlibmesa-gl, xlibmesa-glu as installed (ii) for me - but mesag3, xlibmesa3,xlibmesa3-gl, xlibmesa3-glu as un for me
[04:32] <Rod>  , andrewski, DNS server gives 3 ip s, 213 51 129 37 213 51 144 37 213 51 129 169
[04:32] <Mischung_> Trying to install plugins for Firefox (acrobat, flash, java, etc.). I open a terminal window, type "sudo apt-get install [plugin] " but the file cannot be located. Do I have to specify a file path? I do have two plugins that are tarballs. Suggestions welcome and needed!
[04:32] <Turtlewind> (sorry if I'm coming across as stupid here)
[04:32] <fsapo> penguin42, un  mesag3         <none>         (no description available)
[04:32] <gintas> I'm currently running Debian unstable, so I know that my hardware is supported well in Linux
[04:32] <penguin42> Turtlewind: The installer has a pretty partitioning thing
[04:32] <andrewski> Rod: ok...
[04:32] <Rod> andrewski, default gateway: none, but eth0 is clickable
[04:32] <Turtlewind> oh, great
[04:32] <fsapo> penguin42, what does pn means?
[04:32] <Turtlewind> so I just run the install CD and it will be simple?
[04:32] <penguin42> fsapo: Not sure - possibly purged
[04:32] <andrewski> Rod: that may be your problem there.  eth0 should be the default gateway.
[04:32] <fsapo> penguin42, pn  xlibmesa3      <none>         (no description available)
[04:32] <Rod> andrewski, clicking it doesnt seem to affect anything though
[04:32] <andrewski> Rod: hmm.
[04:33] <Rod> and next reboot it
[04:33] <Rod>  s back to none
[04:33] <RealKillaz> penguin42: aint that a problem? making a partition with windows on a HD with no partitions?
[04:33] <gintas> I don't want to go on with the install until I get the live CD working.  Any suggestions?
[04:33] <penguin42> Turtlewind: Yeh, but 1) under windows make a partition (it will be easier for it to do it I guess)  2) Make sure you have a backup of anything important just in case
[04:33] <fsapo> penguin42, any ideas to fix it? :(
[04:33] <penguin42> RealKillaz: All hard drives have partitions (almost) - he'll have partitions but not necessarily any spare space
[04:33] <penguin42> fsapo: Nope
[04:34] <andrewski> Rod: eth0 properties?
[04:34] <hkais> is there any list of all available packages in ubuntu, maybe something like the http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages with a search engine?
[04:34] <Rod> andrewski, that said it is dhcp configured
[04:34] <RealKillaz> penguin42: didnt know that it's possible to partition a HD without starting from scratch
[04:34] <fsapo> penguin42, lsmod isnt returning the fglrx module
[04:34] <penguin42> fsapo: I don't know the ATI binary drivers I'm afraid
[04:34] <QMario> How do I run a shell script?
[04:34] <penguin42> QMario: sh  the nameofthescript
[04:34] <hkais> QMario: sh ./yourscript
[04:35] <andrewski> Rod: and dhcp is working on your router?
[04:35] <QMario> Thank You! :)
[04:35] <Rod> yes andrewski
[04:35] <Turtlewind> penguin42 - OK
[04:35] <penguin42> RealKillaz: You can always add more partitions as long as you have the space
[04:35] <Turtlewind> thanks a lot
[04:35] <andrewski> QMario: or make it executable
[04:35] <rtmdctr2> Turtlewind, I wouldn't run only one hard drive under any circumstances. I wish you could afford a second and a third. I run three, and am going to put in a fourth.
[04:35] <Rod> andrewski, this computer uses it as well, just like the windows on the ubuntu system... and gentoo for example can ping everything right after boot from cd
[04:35] <QMario> sh  the nameofthescriptsh ./yourscript
[04:36] <andrewski> Rod: hmm.  make eth0 the default gateway, and then type `/etc/init.d/networking restart`.  after that, give me the result of `ifconfig eth0`.
[04:36] <andrewski> Rod: yeah, i had trouble with ubuntu too when i started.  hopefully we'll get this worked out.
[04:37] <Turtlewind> rtmdctr2 - the hard drive is big enough for what I need, and I make regular backups anyway
[04:37] <Rod> andrewski, thanks; will do :)
[04:37] <hkais> is there any list of all available packages in ubuntu, maybe something like the http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages with a search engine?
[04:37] <usual> I am having some issues with resolutions and refresh rates in hoary
[04:38] <usual> I can not seem to get 1280x1024 to work
[04:38] <MrNonchalant> you're like the thousandth person
[04:38] <rtmdctr2> Turtlewind, if the hard drive crashes, you pull the connection, and the next hard drive takes control on boot up. A 2 minute downtime is acceptable.
[04:38] <usual> only 1600x1200 and 800x600
[04:38] <usual> MrNonchalant, me?
[04:39] <penguin42> hkais: You can type apt-cache search  searchterm
[04:39] <Coily> is there anything i should do before i update to hoary (to prevent any breaking)
[04:39] <MrNonchalant> yeah, unfortunately I wasn't paying attention to the 999 other resolutions so I'm no help
[04:39] <gintas> hkais, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ?
[04:39] <Nigelenki> anyone have an hp zv5402us pavilian
[04:39] <usual> k
[04:39] <Coily> anyone?
[04:39] <flodine> anyone running gtk-chtheme
[04:39] <amiroff> hey guys, I just installed hoary, how do I make hybernate actually work on my pc? it just wont get back to desktop :(
[04:39] <usual> anyone know how to fix the resolution issue in hoary
[04:39] <MrNonchalant> Coily, not really, no
[04:39] <Coily> MrNonchalant, alrighty ill just hope for the best
[04:40] <amiroff> usual, what kind of issue
[04:40] <Kinsei> amiroff: I am also interested in the answer to that
[04:40] <penguin42> usual: You can try the text based configurer - thats how I got my higher refresh rate on 1600x1200;   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:40] <RealKillaz> nice nice nice.... ubuntu is doing things nice
[04:40] <usual> amiroff, I can only get 1600x1200 and 800x600 I want 1280x1024
[04:40] <Nigelenki> damnit what theh ell.
[04:40] <amiroff> usual, I just fixed that on my newly installed box, let me tell you
[04:40] <usual> k
[04:40] <amiroff> usual, open /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[04:41] <usual> k
[04:41] <amiroff> where you see: 		Depth		24
[04:41] <amiroff> 		Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624"
[04:41] <usual> yes
[04:42] <Mischung_> Trying to install plugins for Firefox (acrobat, flash, java, etc.). I open a terminal window, type "sudo apt-get install [plugin] " but the file cannot be located. Do I have to specify a file path? I do have two plugins that are tarballs. Suggestions welcome and needed!
[04:42] <amiroff> remove "1600x1200" part and restart X
[04:42] <usual> amiroff, I just added 1600
[04:42] <amiroff> usual, why? you don't want it right?
[04:42] <usual> amiroff, cause when I plugged the proper refresh rate info into xorg.conf and restarted x it defaulted to 800
[04:42] <Nigelenki> usual:  change your refresh rates
[04:42] <usual> Nigelenki, these are the proper ones for my monitor
[04:43] <Nigelenki> heh
[04:43] <usual> Nigelenki, it's never had a problem in the past
[04:43] <Nigelenki> I odn't know my monitor's rates
[04:43] <usual> k
[04:43] <Xgates> I forgot does ext2 need to be in the kernel for ext3 support?
[04:43] <Nigelenki> I just set like 30-90 30-100
[04:43] <LinuxJones> Mischung_, www.ubuntuguide.org answers alot of new user questions.
[04:43] <Nigelenki> and IgnoreEDID
[04:43] <amiroff> usual, anyways, it must look like Modes  "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624"
[04:43] <MrNonchalant> Mischung_: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla Try there.
[04:43] <penguin42> usual: Have you got the horiz rate as well as the vert rate set?
[04:43] <Nigelenki> amiroff:  if he wants 16x12 support he can put it at the end too
[04:43] <Rod> ok andrewski
[04:43] <Rod> andrewski, restarting that service took about 2 minutes
[04:44] <hkais> gintas: do you know if all packages of debian, are proted to ubuntu?
[04:44] <usual> penguin42, yes
[04:44] <dj28> Xgates, i don't know the answer to that, but i would assume so since ext3 is merely ext2 with small modifications
[04:44] <amiroff> anyone on hybernate issue? help us... :(
[04:44] <Rod> andrewski, ifconfig eth0 gave me this
[04:44] <\sh> ok....brb installing ubuntu :)
[04:44] <andrewski> Rod: it's trying hard to work. :)
[04:44] <usual> brb
[04:44] <Xgates> hmm cant remember
[04:44] <penguin42> usual: Try looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log - oh
[04:44] <Mischung_> LinuxJones and MrNonchalant: checking........          Thank you!
[04:44] <Rod> andrewski, eth0   Link encap: Ethernet   HWadress 00 2f ba 43 fi
[04:44] <dos000> i never taught changing the default *window* will be this hard. is it even possible to set a default bacground for every app ?
[04:44] <Rod> andrewski, UP BROADCAST RUNNING     MULTICAST MTU:0 METRIC: 1
[04:45] <Rod> andrewski, rx packets:11 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frames 0
[04:45] <flodine> anyone running gtk-chtheme
[04:45] <Rod> andrewski, tx packets 2 errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0
[04:45] <pmai> gnome-baker to burn a iso?
[04:45] <Rod> andrewski, collisions 0 txqueuelen: 1000
[04:45] <LinuxJones> pmai, yeah or right click the .iso and write to disk
[04:46] <amiroff> Nigelenki, that's a good tip, I will use it
[04:46] <penguin42> Rod: You not got a 'inet addr' line ?
[04:46] <Rod> andrewski, rx bytes:2377 (2.3KiB) TX butes: 684  (684b)
[04:46] <andrewski> Rod: ok, open up networking again.
[04:46] <Rod> andrewski, interrupt: 21 base adress: 0x2000
[04:46] <dcraven> dos000, can you rephrase that question? I don't understand what you mean.
[04:46] <Rod> andrewski, thats allt he output...
[04:46] <andrewski> Rod: i don't use dhcp, so bear with me.
[04:46] <dcraven> dos000, when you say app, do you mean workspace?
[04:46] <Rod> alright
[04:47] <andrewski> Rod: go back to eth0 properties.
[04:47] <Rod> k
[04:47] <dos000> dcraven, i want to set a default background for ecery app i run. so that it is easier on my eyes thast all.
[04:48] <dcraven> dos000, I don't think that's doable. I still don't really know what that would look like though :).
[04:48] <andrewski> Rod: top box checked?
[04:48] <amiroff> I really have a speed problem with ubuntu, Gnome seems so slow on P4 1.7, 512 MB ram :(
[04:48] <Rod> andrewski, what's the top box?
[04:48] <dj28> dos000, i think you have to set the background on each app you use, like xchat and gnome-terminal.
[04:48] <darren_> How do I burn an ISO to disk using GNOME baker? I want it to be bootable
[04:48] <dos000> dcraven,  i am able to change nautilus background. is there not a way to edit the themes at all ?
[04:48] <andrewski> Rod: "This device is configured"
[04:48] <Rod> andrewski, ill check
[04:48] <pmai> LinuxJones, thanks
[04:49] <andrewski> Rod: don't go yet!
[04:49] <dcraven> dos000, well you can edit the themes, not easily though. And all applications will follow that theme. You can't do it individually.
[04:49] <Rod> andrewski, hehe too late... well, the top box was checked
[04:50] <dos000> dcraven, thats exactly what i want. one setting for all
[04:50] <dcraven> dos000, I'm very confused now. Is that not what you already have?
[04:50] <QMario> When using cupsaddsmb, I get this error message "WERR_ACCESS_DENIED." Why do I receive this message?
[04:50] <andrewski> Rod: ok.  tell me the information of the working computer: IP address, subnet mask, and gateway address.  we'll try to get your ubuntu box working with a static address.
[04:50] <dos000> dcraven, i have it white ! and its kiling my eyes.
[04:51] <darren_> How do I burn an ISO to disk using GNOME baker? I want it to be bootable
[04:51] <Turtlewind> OK, I have another silly question
[04:51] <Turtlewind> I found http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo and it tells me to make 4 partitions
[04:51] <Turtlewind> how big does each one have to be?
[04:51] <dos000> dcraven, i am able to change xchat and nautilus and firefox individually. but was wondering a default for all my apps.
[04:51] <whiskers> i would still like to know who in the world sat down and calculated all those ip numbers at blocklist.org
[04:52] <dcraven> dos000, oh.. Well I think I understand. You just want to dim the background a bit. Uhh.. Can you hold a sec? I think this rings a bell somewhere. I dunno if it's possible or not.
[04:52] <dos000> dcraven, not the desktop bacground tho. the window bacground
[04:52] <penguin42> Turtlewind: The Linux wants to be at least 3GB say, the swap about 2x your RAM is normal then datashare is enough to shuffle data between windows and linux
[04:52] <Turtlewind> OK, thanks a lot
[04:53] <dcraven> dos000, I think I understand. The desktop background would be trivial :).
[04:53] <Xgates> was anything built into Ubuntu that is going to use the "Cryptographic options" in the kernel?
[04:53] <penguin42> anyway - there are now more important things happening - Enterprise is on
[04:53] <dos000> dcraven, just makin sure :-)
[04:53] <Rod> andrewski, hmmm :D :D :D We're on on something
[04:54] <andrewski> Rod: ok. :)
[04:54] <hkais> anyone here, who uses IBM products under ubuntu?
[04:54] <hkais> e.g. IBM DB2 UDB 7.2 or Websphere 5 or WSAD 5.1?
[04:54] <Rod> andrewski, my lan her submask ends with 254.0 while ubuntu 'thought' it ended with 255.0
[04:54] <whiskers> darren_, it is easy with gnomebaker look for the menu option to burn an image
[04:54] <andrewski> Rod: hmm...
[04:55] <whiskers> darren_, as opposed to a datacd
[04:55] <dcraven> dos000, there is no way to do it through a GUI, but this is I think what you want --> http://tinyurl.com/6qvma
[04:55] <DocKane> is anybody here tried ubuntu on a via c3 or transmeta efficeon ?
[04:55] <Rod> andrewski, i dont have internet yet, but it says looking up....  With xchat, /server irc.freenode.net  .. it says connecting (finds ip adres and all) but doesnt quite connect yet.. Im rebooting that box now
[04:55] <dcraven> dos000, kinda ugly, but apparently it works :)
[04:55] <Rod> andrewski, that restart of service went rather quick this time, like in 5 seconds
[04:55] <hackeron> DocKane: what transmeta machine do you have?
[04:55] <whiskers> darren_, do you see how easy and clear it is
[04:55] <andrewski> Rod: well, make sure the configuration saves.  are you trying a static address?  if so, make sure you don't conflict with the DHCP range.
[04:57] <whiskers> darren_, and bittorrent works great ...i got several perfect hoary cd's  and perfect burns as well
[04:57] <dcraven> dos000, is that what you mean?
[04:57] <Rod> andrewski, yes.. it works flawless now :D
[04:57] <andrewski> Rod: with a static address?
[04:57] <Rod> andrewski, are you a developer / coder by the way?
[04:58] <Rod> andrewski, yeah; it;s all static now
[04:58] <justin> hey guys i just installed hoary 64 bit and i was wondering what packages do i need to install to get 32bit emulation?
[04:58] <DocKane> hackeron, no one yet. i am planing to build a silent system for daytoday work (maybe with a Ibase MB860). do you have ressources to this topic ?
[04:58] <andrewski> Rod: i'm learning python, but i don't dip my fingers in ubuntu at all. ;P
[04:58] <Rod> andrewski, ill be looking for a way to use the right submask but still using dhcp
[04:58] <andrewski> Rod: awesome that it's working!
[04:58] <Rod> andrewski, but im so glad now
[04:58] <andrewski> Rod: yeah, you have something to go on now. :)
[04:58] <QMario> When using cupsaddsmb, I get this error message "WERR_ACCESS_DENIED." Why do I receive this message?
[04:59] <dos000> dcraven, do i have to login/logout ?
[04:59] <Rod> it's kinda shitty though... During the first install it tries to connect to the internet... But it fails, it keeps seriously searchign for 6 minutes before it continues the installation
[04:59] <dcraven> dos000, I would think so. Either that or change the theme, then change it back or something.
[04:59] <Rod> but well, anyway... ill be right back... on my ubuntu box
[04:59] <justin> hey guys i just installed hoary 64 bit and i was wondering what packages do i need to install to get 32bit emulation?
[04:59] <fsapo> anyone knows a way to make ut2k4 work with the esd?? i ve installed esd and now i get this in ut2k4 open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[04:59] <dos000> dcraven, ah !
[05:00] <dcraven> dos000, did it work?
[05:00] <mjr> justin, look into a 32-bit chroot, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[05:00] <whiskers> but what i would like to know is who bothered to calculate all those ip numbers at blocklist.org and why if everybody is only downloading hoary cds
[05:00] <plagerism> What is the name of the next version of Ubuntu?? and is there repositories yet??
[05:00] <dcraven> plagerism, breezy, and no.
[05:01] <justin> mjr: a 32bit chroot is just like having another machine...which is pointless i know there are a couple of libs i need but i dont remember what...you can waste that hd space if you want but not for me =)
[05:01] <rod> so
[05:01] <rod> :)
[05:01] <Nigelenki> that was always a great line for a song
[05:02] <Nigelenki> just out of nowhere
[05:02] <KingArthur> hello all.  Well, I've got some problems.  The other day, I updated ubuntu through the update manager, after that, I was not able to connect to wireless networks, but I could see them (ones I know are active in the area), well I did a fresh install just for the hell of it, and now I can't see the wireless networks at all.
[05:02] <rod> andrewski, should i file a bugreport or so you think?
[05:02] <Nigelenki> "oooooooooh looks like it came back for more"
[05:02] <KingArthur> I'm wonderinf if anyone knows of this issue.  It is a dell inspiron 8600
[05:02] <Nigelenki> makes me think of doom 3 :P
[05:02] <toresbe> Does anyone else have a problem with building SDL programs?
[05:02] <whiskers> KingArthur, well maybe the kernel is not compiled to support wireless devices..who knows.
[05:02] <justin> hey guys i just installed hoary 64 bit and i was wondering what packages do i need to install to get 32bit emulation?
[05:03] <dos000> dcraven, nice !
[05:03] <dcraven> dos000, cool. Glad it worked. Some day that process might become simplified I suppose.
[05:03] <KingArthur> hmmmm....it was working great with the Horay! 3.04 RC, but now with the final candadate, it won't work.  driving me nuts.  lol.  I've tried everything I could find in the forums to no avail
[05:03] <dos000> dcraven, i have to undo all the changes i did to firefox,nautilus, xchat now :-(
[05:04] <dcraven> dos000, haha
[05:04] <ubuntoid> Can one play Quicktime movies on hoary?
[05:04] <dos000> dcraven, it looks really nice
[05:04] <dos000> dcraven, i am surprised there is no theme editors out there
[05:05] <dcraven> dos000, uhh.. I'm not sure xchat etc follow the theme background color... I think they set their own disobediently.
[05:05] <toresbe> I get this:
[05:05] <toresbe> /usr/local/lib64/libX11.so.6: undefined reference to `XauGetBestAuthByAddr'
[05:05] <toresbe> /usr/local/lib64/libX11.so.6: undefined reference to `XauDisposeAuth'
[05:05] <Pizbit> HRm, a bit off topic, but has anyone come across a "DON'T PANIC" GDM login theme?
[05:05] <justin> does anyb ody here run hoary 64bit?
[05:05] <toresbe> justin: *raises hand*
[05:05] <individ> i am trying to make xconfig and i get this  Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the
[05:05] <Unipa1> justin: yep, perfectly
[05:05] <individ> * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR
[05:05] <individ> * environment variable is set to the correct location.
[05:05] <toresbe> Pizbit: haha
[05:05] <justin> Unipa1, toresbe, do you have the ability to run cedega or point2play?
[05:05] <rbrt> uh
[05:05] <toresbe> Pizbit: can you please /msg me when it works?
[05:06] <Pizbit> toresbe: Do you get the refference?
[05:06] <rbrt> does Ubuntu set a root password for me? o_O
[05:06] <toresbe> justin: I should think so, dunno
[05:06] <Pizbit> rbrt: No, use sudo
[05:06] <toresbe> Pizbit: when you find it, sorry
[05:06] <toresbe> Pizbit: of course! :)
[05:06] <doobs> hi all
[05:06] <Unipa1> justin, I don't know these applications, I am a  newb
[05:06] <dcraven> dos000, well these tasks need to be prioritized when there are a limited number of developers... Implementing a background color switcher opens a can o' worms that would turn into a HUGE project. There are other more critical things first. But I agree it should be done at some point.
[05:06] <justin> Unipa1, ug alright
[05:06] <rbrt> Pizbit, ah, thanks :)
[05:06] <individ> what do i need to install libqt3-dev?
[05:06] <dcraven> dos000, at least it's doable.
[05:07] <individ> or libqt3-mt-dev ?
[05:07] <andrewski> rod: not a bad idea
[05:07] <flodine> anyonre know the command for ubuntu to see your hard drives
[05:07] <justin> were is the mouse located in hoary? is it /dev/mouse?
[05:08] <xamdm> justdave, waht kkind of mouse ??
[05:08] <justin> a usb mouse =)
[05:08] <individ> what's the difference?
[05:09] <xamdm> justdave, /dev/input/mouse
[05:09] <justin> ty
[05:09] <justin> xamdm, and its justin, not justdave
[05:09] <hackeron> DocKane: Well, I had the Fujitsu P2110 before it broke, linux support has been perfect for it ever since 2.4.20, it was 866mhz (benchmarked around 400mhz P3) so I didnt run a full DE to make sure it felt no slower than my 3200+: ftp://81.86.159.146/latest.png
[05:09] <xamdm> sry ;-)
[05:10] <hackeron> DocKane: had 15 hours battery life and a beautiful 10" wide screen on that bad boy :)
[05:10] <individ> oh i got it libqt3-dev
[05:10] <xamdm> bi spter ...., tsch
[05:11] <flodine> do you guy even know if you hard drive dma is on
[05:11] <flodine> or yall just didnt check
[05:11] <flodine> cause its off by default
[05:11] <flodine> heloo
[05:11] <flodine> hello
[05:12] <dcraven> flodine, hard drive dma is off?
[05:12] <KingArthur> :-P  I'm a newbie so I would have no idea how to set my DMA to on ;-)
[05:12] <dcraven> flodine, I thought it was just optical drives that were defaluted off.
[05:12] <flodine> did you turn yours on
[05:12] <dcraven> flodine, just my optical.
[05:12] <hackeron> DocKane: it is lightyears ahead of via. The 866mhz crusoe took around 1W and was passivly cooled on the laptop, a 1ghz via C3 takes about 10W and I already have a huge heatsync on it (the flower cooler) and its still piping hot.
[05:12] <steveO_Laptop> ? how do I remove a package? <driverloader>
[05:13] <dcraven> flodine, my hard drives were dma'd by default.
[05:13] <dcraven> flodine, I think you are thinking of opticals (ie. CDROMs).
[05:14] <steveO_Laptop> ? how do I remove a package? <driverloader>
[05:15] <dcraven> steveO_Laptop, isn't the Linuxant wireless driver thing?
[05:15] <whiskers> everybody is pointing the finger at someone else and nobody knows why they can't earn a living...look at this silly quote
[05:15] <whiskers> I can tell you that it is not P2P that kills my sales it's Fucking Wal-mart. I pay whole sale what wal-mart has on the retail price. I make all my money off Parental advisory Cd's if Wal-Mart would start selling unedited Cd's I'd have to go out of business. When is the U.S. Government gonna start to place the blame on the shoulders of major corporations instead of on the kids that want to here the music before they buy it?
[05:15] <hackeron> DocKane: heh: http://www.epiacenter.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=52&page=4
[05:16] <whiskers> everybody is pointing the finger at someone else in every direction
[05:17] <dcraven> steveO_Laptop, I mean, isn't *that* the Linuxant wireless driver thing? (Driverloader)
[05:17] <steveO_Laptop> dcraven yes I cant get the source kernel install because of it os I need it out whats the command to uninstall and remove a package
[05:17] <hackeron> DocKane: if only you could actually buy it somewhere in the UK I wouldnt be stuck with this pos epia :'(
[05:17] <fsapo> anyone knows if there's a way to make ut2k4 work with esd?
[05:18] <\sh> ok guys...ubuntu install in less then 15 minutes
[05:19] <dcraven> steveO_Laptop, well that depends on the vendor in this case. That is a closed application so there is no "typical way" to uninstall it. It's up to the vender. I'd check the Linuxant website. Unless of course someone in here has had experience with it and can help.
[05:19] <rbrt> \sh, did not take longer than that here too. :)
[05:19] <\sh> rbrt: well...15 minutes against 8 hours of gentoo stage 1 install ;)
[05:20] <dcraven> steveO_Laptop, I don't even know how it works... Is it a kernel module? If that is the case, then "modprobe -r modulename" will unplug it from the running kernel.
[05:20] <steveO_Laptop> so there's  no dpkg remove (package)
[05:20] <dcraven> steveO_Laptop, oh.. Was it a .deb file?
[05:20] <libben> purge
[05:20] <steveO_Laptop> yes
[05:21] <bbplayer5> Would anyone be able to help me figure out how to install video codecs in ubuntu x86_64?   Thanks :)
[05:21] <sig> steveO_Laptop: apt-get --purge remove packagename
[05:21] <imperfect-> Why oh why is ubuntu kickin my ass
[05:21] <rbrt> \sh, or <15 hours of sourcemage.
[05:21] <libben> if it was just a tarball. and u made the ./install thing
[05:21] <dcraven> steveO_Laptop, sorry, "apt-get --purge remove package" then.
[05:21] <Hav> hi, anyone use cryptoloop on ubuntu?
[05:21] <libben> how to remove it then
[05:21] <steveO_Laptop> ok
[05:22] <jay_> could somebody help out the newbiest of newbies?
[05:22] <dcraven> steveO_Laptop, I didn't realize it was a deb. Check "man apt-get" for more options and capabilities of that command if you are interested.
[05:22] <adam_> hey fellas
[05:22] <adam_> and ladies
[05:22] <imperfect-> xorg hates me
[05:22] <steveO_Laptop> k
[05:22] <imperfect-> for a while i could only get 1024x768, now i can only get 1280x1024
[05:22] <jay_> xorg hates me too
[05:22] <imperfect-> So eventually I'll have my native 1600x1200
[05:22] <DanglyBits> noobie question..trying to install some basic programs like k3b nvu and adobe reader 7...how do i do this..they are not avilable thru synatic?...i am runnung amd64 version ubuntu
[05:22] <imperfect-> its an evolution
[05:23] <MrNonchalant> imperfect-: lol
[05:23] <steveO_Laptop> its nuts not having all the compilling tools loaded by default or source kernel
[05:23] <bbplayer5> Would anyone be able to help me figure out how to install video codecs in ubuntu x86_64?   Thanks :)
[05:23] <\sh> ok..now for the i686 kernels...and then reboot
[05:23] <adam_> DanglyBits, try typing in terminal apt-get k3b
[05:23] <Rod> bbplayer5, nooo har har
[05:23] <bbplayer5> :(
[05:23] <adam_> DanglyBits, make sure you have all of the repos selected
[05:23] <Rod> bbplayer5, check the faq on the ubuntu website, there is an exelent howto
[05:24] <catfox> anybody here ever worked in linux tech support?
[05:24] <Hell-Razor> catfox i have for gentoo
[05:24] <adam_> bbplayer5, which codec do you want?
[05:24] <DanglyBits> adam_: what about nvu and reader 7?
[05:24] <darren_> How do I burn an iso via terminal?
[05:24] <catfox> Hell-Razor, did you have interviews and things to get the job?
[05:25] <adam_> nvu?
[05:25] <Hell-Razor> catfox: i was recruted
[05:25] <adam_> DanglyBits, nvu?
[05:25] <catfox> Hell-Razor, I want to apply for one, but would like to know what kind of questions would be asked
[05:25] <catfox> Hell-Razor, ahh, right
[05:25] <adam_> DanglyBits, what is that?
[05:25] <DanglyBits> adam_: linspire html editor
[05:25] <imperfect-> most linux tech support people kill themselves
[05:25] <Hell-Razor> catfox, dont worry yourself to death, thats alwayst he est way to prepair for anything
[05:25] <imperfect-> so they dont last long
[05:25] <adam_> DanglyBits, oh.... never used it...
[05:25] <ogra> adam_, mozilla composer with some extras
[05:25] <bbplayer5> will the mplayer codecs work with the 64 bit OS?  Anyone know?
[05:25] <DanglyBits> adam_: like dreamweaver
[05:25] <adam_> bbplayer5, they should
[05:26] <DanglyBits> adam_: what about nvu and reader 7?
[05:26] <adam_> DanglyBits, oh, i have never used it, but why not trying to use dreamweaver thru wine?
[05:26] <HKSDU> Can I make a ramdisk and mount it as swap?
[05:26] <catfox> Hell-Razor, hehe yeah i guess so. I'm reading up lots on certain command lines. They deal with things that I've not used before at home, would I be expected to know almost everything before an interview? (ie i've never used ssh)
[05:26] <ogra> DanglyBits, there is no usable package for nvu yet....we'll try to get it in universe for breezy if someone makes a sane package
[05:26] <DanglyBits> adam_: how do i get acroread (adobe reader 7)?
[05:26] <adam_> DanglyBits, as for reader... i have never met anyone that got that to work
[05:27] <ulisse> Hi channel!
[05:27] <Hell-Razor> catfox: ssh is pritty easy to learn/understand
[05:27] <Hell-Razor> catfox: i think they will look at what know know over what you dont know
[05:27] <catfox> Hell-Razor, ok cool, thanks :)
[05:27] <catfox> Hell-Razor, yeah, i hope so.
[05:27] <ulisse> How can I enable a ssh session to use X display?
[05:27] <ogra> DanglyBits, there is a long thread in the ubuntu-users mailing list about a7
[05:27] <Hell-Razor> catfox: hrm i types know twice...i meant what you know over what you dont know
[05:27] <ogra> ulisse, ssh -X user@host
[05:27] <kryme> Hey, I compiled myself the newest Gaim, but I don't remember what the sound command is so that I can hear sounds other than console beeps.  Anyone know what that is?
[05:28] <ogra> ulisse, this will redirect your X output to your current display
[05:28] <steveO_Laptop> ok what and how do you all upgrade your kernels and source ? my kernel is 2.10-5 and dont see the source for it
[05:28] <ulisse> ogra, yes, but if I issue "export DISPLAY=:0.0" and launch an app, i get "cannot open display 0.0"...
[05:28] <\sh> hey ogra
[05:28] <adam_> anyone got a good ati driver for a 9800 to work on 64 bit?
[05:28] <adam_> mine is a lil buggy
[05:29] <ogra> ulisse, thats because offering open TCP ports from X is evil, use the ssh -X method....
[05:29] <ogra> \sh, hey
[05:29] <ulisse> ok, thanks
[05:30] <bbplayer5> oops
[05:30] <HKSDU> in case you guys missed my question, it was that is it possible to make ramdisk and mount my swap partition on it? any clue?
[05:30] <adam_> haha
[05:30] <adam_> bbplayer5, you ok?
[05:30] <bbplayer5> Ok on the FAQ page, one of the directions to install the codecs is /path/to/tarball - wtf is tarball :p  Yes, im a complete noob
[05:30] <adam_> hahahaha tarball is like a zip file
[05:31] <bbplayer5> Im an evil windows user
[05:31] <DocKane> ot to anynody from us: how do you write the name "c ann" ?
[05:31] <bbplayer5> oh ok, so the compressed codecs file?
[05:31] <adam_> bbplayer5, yes
[05:31] <bbplayer5> thanks :)
[05:31] <whiskers> the people are funny....they don't know who to blame...p2p or Walmart
[05:31] <adam_> bbplayer5, no prob
[05:31] <ulisse> ogra, "connection rejected because of wrong authentication"...
[05:31] <ogra> HKSDU, that might be possible, but what do you expect through stealing main memory and reallocate it to a virtual swap partition
[05:31] <brrrt> hihi windows has zip linux has balls, tarballs!
[05:31] <adam_> did anyone read my question regarding an ati driver?
[05:32] <\sh> adam_, what about it?
[05:32] <HKSDU> ogra: ya...haha..just out of curiousity if that is possible...
[05:32] <ogra> ulisse, look in the ssh_config
[05:32] <adam_> \sh, just need to install a new one, since mine is buggy
[05:32] <DanglyBits> anyone here ever try gentoo?
[05:32] <ogra> ulisse, ForwardX11 must be set to yes
[05:32] <whiskers> DanglyBits, i had a lot of luck with gentoo
[05:32] <whiskers> DanglyBits, but it is a difficult and large system to work with
[05:32] <\sh> adam_, apt-get install fglrx-driver?
[05:33] <\sh> no
[05:33] <DanglyBits> i am getting fustrated with the lack of software in 5.04
[05:33] <adam_> DanglyBits, i would suggest you stay with ubuntu before you try gentoo, it takes alot more command knowledge
[05:33] <\sh> sorry
[05:33] <\sh> adam_, apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx?
[05:33] <DanglyBits> but it has the software
[05:33] <whiskers> DanglyBits, well you really don't need all that software....ubuntu focuses on the basics
[05:33] <\sh> DanglyBits, what are u missing
[05:33] <whiskers> DanglyBits, and if there is some strange piece you want...well there is a compiler in ubuntu
[05:34] <ogra> adam_, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto may help
[05:34] <zoso_kubuntu> evening folks
[05:34] <steveO_Laptop> HELP !!! lol you do I upgrade the kernel in kubuntu source doesnt match im running 10-5 and source is 10-6 :(
[05:34] <DanglyBits> \sh: k3b does not show...nvu and acroreader 7
[05:34] <steveO_Laptop> HELP !!! lol how do I upgrade the kernel in kubuntu source doesnt match im running 10-5 and source is 10-6 :(
[05:34] <\sh> DanglyBits, nvu is a nogo...because it sucks
[05:34] <steveO_Laptop> ok sorry double post
[05:34] <DanglyBits> what else is suggested
[05:34] <\sh> DanglyBits, acroreader should be in multiverse
[05:35] <\sh> DanglyBits, quanta or bluefish
[05:35] <DanglyBits> \sh: how do i access that?
[05:35] <\sh> DanglyBits, update your sources.list
[05:35] <ulisse> ogra, error in locking authority file [etc] 
[05:35] <bbplayer5> Ok i followed the directions and it still wont play the movies.  This is the problem i had before.  cant find plugin.  I verified they are in the codecs folder also
[05:35] <rbrt> I think I am going to reeeeaaally enjoy Ubuntu. :D
[05:35] <DocKane> hackeron, so you would prefer the transmeta system ?
[05:35] <\sh> DanglyBits, synaptic, add universe and multiverse
[05:35] <DanglyBits> \sh: take a look at nvu it is better than even bluefish...quanta is old news
[05:35] <\sh> DanglyBits, nvu is shit..i had it compiled on my gentoo
[05:36] <ogra> DanglyBits, acroread 7 isnt even released by adobe for linux ? you expect miracles where none are possible...
[05:36] <ogra> DanglyBits, afaik, there was only a beta preview available for a short time
[05:36] <\sh> ogra: not the truth...acroread7 is 6 with beta stuff in it ,)
[05:36] <individ> i'm trying to make a boot floppy , gub-floppy , and i get this : Can't find /lib/grub/*-*/stage1, aborting
[05:36] <ogra> \sh, yep, but why should we include software that wasnt even released by the vendor
[05:37] <\sh> ogra, this is something different...if he wants to have it, adobe is his source of investigation ;)
[05:37] <Fackamato> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25365
[05:37] <\sh> finally xpdf is enough
[05:37] <DanglyBits> ogra: its available for fc4 and gentoo
[05:37] <GenghisKhan> i want some help with revertin ubuntu's sudo system to the classic su system
[05:37] <dyno> hi does anyon have ever try to configure alsa under ubuntu?
[05:37] <\sh> DanglyBits, no
[05:37] <ogra> DanglyBits, and as i said, the nvu packages around dont match our QA standard, we looked at it and hope someone packs a sane package for breezy
[05:37] <\sh> DanglyBits, there is no acrobat reader 7
[05:38] <\sh> it will never be there
[05:38] <DanglyBits> ok
[05:38] <ogra> DanglyBits, feel free to join the MOTU to help packaging nvu ;)
[05:38] <bbplayer5> Adam:  I didnt work, still looking for plugins :(
[05:38] <\sh> gentoo took over only the version numbers...but finally its 6 with a bit beta stuff inside...no official release
[05:38] <\sh> ogra, nvu is also beta software ;)
[05:38] <\sh> same with mozilla-calendar
[05:39] <ogra> \sh, yup
[05:39] <\sh> tested it all on gentoo ;)
[05:39] <\sh> i'm a motherf*cking compilerslave ;)
[05:39] <ogra> \sh, but we will include it if there is a correct built package....
[05:39] <adam_> \sh, do you know the exact name of the ati driver or is it fglrx?
[05:39] <ogra> \sh, as long as its tagged in the version number (i.e. look at our wonderful hula package)
[05:40] <ogra> adam_, its all on the wiki page
[05:40] <\sh> ogra, well...if its finaly, you can include it...then its same packaging as firefox or thunderbird
[05:40] <adam_> ok
[05:40] <adam_> i will look, i got one... but its buggy
[05:40] <\sh> adam_, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:40] <dyno> does anyone kno if it's normal that alsaconf does not work?
[05:40] <\sh> adam_, everything is there...i'm following the rules ;)
[05:41] <\sh> ogra, package repos ready for new release? ,-)
[05:41] <adam_> \sh, thanks you and ogra helped me again...
[05:41] <efbie> Hello !
[05:41] <ogra> \sh, nope...still no breezy....but we all need a deserved rest....
[05:42] <efbie> I have a little problem. Can anyone tell me how to remove that alt-rmb mouse shortcut ?
[05:42] <bbplayer5> These codecs are the bane of my life :p
[05:42] <\sh> ogra, ok...then actual development and package building is only for hoary
[05:42] <efbie> because it makes blender unusable...
[05:42] <ogra> \sh, there is no actual development currently ;)
[05:43] <\sh> grmpf
[05:43] <\sh> i want to deinstall linux-386 and it doesn't give me all deps
[05:43] <\sh> argl...
[05:44] <\sh> ogra, meta packages should also be deinstalled with deps ;)
[05:44] <ogra> \sh, just uninstall the lowest level of the dependencys, thats how it works ;)
[05:45] <\sh> ogra, yeah..I'm on it ;)
[05:45] <ogra> \sh, that would cause a lot of probs...
[05:45] <bbplayer5> would anyone be able to chat with me about these video codecs?  I cant get them to work for the life of me. THanks.
[05:45] <\sh> ogra, why?
[05:45] <whiskers> bbplayer5, where are you located and are they legal in your area
[05:45] <ogra> \sh, imagine you want totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer (which uninstalls ubuntu-desktop) .....
[05:46] <whiskers> bbplayer5, perhaps you are not supposed to be using them
[05:46] <bbplayer5> Pennsylvania - yes
[05:46] <whiskers> bbplayer5, they are not legal in your area
[05:46] <bbplayer5> Really?
[05:46] <\sh> ogra, well....then u have to change to a much finer granulated dependency system ;)
[05:46] <bbplayer5> mpeg codecs are not legal?
[05:46] <\sh> ogra, u know...those ones with the glasballs ;)
[05:46] <whiskers> bbplayer5, in the US you are required to pay for them
[05:47] <Choubaka> patents :(
[05:47] <ogra> \sh, thats always possible....but it gets very complicated to manage all these deps if you build a new package
[05:47] <ogra> \sh, one that wasnt in the distro yet...
[05:47] <bbplayer5> Would that cause it not to work?
[05:47] <bbplayer5> I had them working on SuSE before.
[05:48] <whiskers> bbplayer5, well in the US they have patent and copyright laws and mpeg is proprietary and protected in the US
[05:48] <Choubaka> you can make them work, but it's not legal.
[05:49] <bbplayer5> Didnt know that.
[05:49] <whiskers> bbplayer5, well that is understandable...it is a very confusing issue
[05:49] <bbplayer5> Ok so if I bought the mpeg codec, it probably still wouldnt work since these dont :)
[05:49] <Choubaka> Also, As far as I know you are not allowed to watch DVDs either.
[05:50] <Choubaka> Someone correct me if I'm wrong
[05:50] <\sh> ogra, i see
[05:50] <\sh> ok..ati drivers are working
[05:50] <bbplayer5> Ok then to another problem.  Anyone gotten an x800xt to run hardware accelleration?
[05:50] <Xgates> for making a initrd.img you only need the "< > RAM disk support" in the kernel?
[05:51] <^thehatsrule^> bbplayer5, fglx
[05:51] <chase> hay im trying to load usbcore into the kernel but it doesnt seem installed? what package can i get it from?
[05:51] <hackeron> DocKane: ofcourse :) - better support, better performance, lower temprature and power consumption, whats not to prefer.
[05:51] <Xgates> and what options, how would you run -->  mkinitrd to make one?
[05:51] <whiskers> Choubaka, yes...you can't play DVDs either because even if they were in free formats which they are not...but even if they were...they are encrpyted and the DMCA prevents you from using libdvdcss2
[05:51] <Xgates> been friggin ages since I made one
[05:51] <ogra> Xgates, what for do you compile a kernel ?
[05:51] <Choubaka> whiskers: Not where I live though <3
[05:52] <Xgates> ogra, what?
[05:52] <ogra> Xgates, why do you compile a kernel ?
[05:52] <whiskers> Choubaka, well some of you people are very lucky
[05:52] <Choubaka> Yeah. To be born outside the US :p
[05:52] <Xgates> ogra, you dont know?
[05:53] <ogra> Xgates, why do _you_ compile a kernel right now, what is ubuntus kernel missing for you ?
[05:53] <Xgates> because I have been compiling them for over 6 years and I build my own is all :-)
[05:54] <Xgates> but I have not been using a Distro using initrd.img I've always run Slack
[05:54] <\sh> hell it's nice the kubuntu-desktop
[05:54] <ogra> Xgates, you know that its a bit different in debian based systems (you use make-kpkg etc)
[05:54] <Xgates> or I should say I meant havent needed it
[05:54] <ogra> ...which also builds the initrd....
[05:55] <Xgates> hmm well I'm use to doing somethings by hand
[05:55] <Bazzi> Xgates build lfs ;-)
[05:55] <Xgates> ahh lfs thats too much
[05:56] <Rumo> Xgates - you don't need initrd if you build your own kernel
[05:56] <ogra> Xgates, and dont forget there is a huge amount of patches in ubuntu kernels....compiling a vamnilla kernel and not one from a linux-source package from ubuntu may result in functionallity loss
[05:57] <kimjone> hi
[05:57] <kimjone> any news on when mono 1.0.6 or 1.1 will be out for ubuntu?
[05:57] <ogra> kimjone, with breezy
[05:57] <kimjone> that long?!
[05:58] <Xgates> ogra, how do you pull down the kernel src in Ubuntu?
[05:58] <kimjone> won't it be updated before then
[05:58] <batoms> breezy is the next release?
[05:58] <kimjone> in some sort of development version?
[05:58] <and1> hello!
[05:58] <superted> ogra: so the beagle packages for hoary went down the drain? :)
[05:58] <Pizbit> Xgates: apt-get / synaptic of course.
[05:58] <ZxC> Hello, anyone know good guides for dual booting Ubuntu, the best I've found is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view?searchterm=dual%20boot" but that still seems to have issues attached to it.
[05:58] <djtansey> ogra: can i start using breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list to follow development?
[05:58] <ogra> Xgates, sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[05:59] <and1> i need to get rhythmbox play mp3 can u help me?
[05:59] <kimjone> and
[05:59] <ningo> http://tinyurl.com/62e27
[05:59] <Pizbit> and1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:59] <superted> and1: install gstreamer8.0-plugins
[05:59] <santiago> hola
[05:59] <Pizbit> and1: And no I can't.
[05:59] <Xgates> ogra, thx
[05:59] <ogra> superted, they will surely enter breezy, hoary is stable and will only see security fixes
[06:00] <efbie> can someone using warty tell me if Alt + Right mouse button is doing something on their windows ?
[06:00] <ogra> djtansey, not yet :)
[06:00] <and1> superted i have done it
[06:00] <batoms> when would a "reasonable" time to start using breezy? about 3 months?
[06:00] <batoms> i.e halfway
[06:00] <superted> ogra: ok, but ~1 week ago you said there would be beagle stuff in universe within two weeks if i'm not mistaken?
[06:01] <ogra> batoms, probably....nobody can tell what will break when ...
[06:01] <and1> superted what else should i do?
[06:01] <bob2> it's waiting for new dbus and mono
[06:01] <djtansey> ogra: thanks. i'll keep my ears perked so i can know when
[06:01] <Aladdin> hi folks!
[06:01] <ogra> superted, i said if the packages get ready....
[06:01] <ZxC> Anyone know any definitive guides for Dual booting with Win Xp?
[06:01] <bob2> efbie: it will give you a window menu
[06:01] <ogra> djtansey, i guess next week, but dont quote me on that
[06:01] <bob2> ZxC: you shouldn't need to do anything at all
[06:01] <and1> superted what else should i do?
[06:02] <efbie> bob2: do you know how can i remove this behaviour ?
[06:02] <superted> ogra: ok
[06:02] <superted> and1: gstreamer0.8-mad should do the trick iirc
[06:02] <ZxC> Bob2: That's what I thought but after searching a lot I've seen loadsa problems with the MBR being erased and the Win Xp being deleted
[06:02] <bob2> efbie: probably in the keybindings config thing, system -> desktop preferences
[06:02] <djtansey> ogra: thanks!
[06:02] <ZxC> *I mean to say WinXp not booting
[06:02] <bob2> ZxC: that's usually user error
[06:03] <ogra> superted, the mono packages itself would have been ready on release day so we would have had no time to test or rebuild all other mono apps against the new base...
[06:03] <bob2> ZxC: grub will overwrite the MBR on an ubuntu system, but it will also automatically get an option to boot windows
[06:03] <guerby> hi, I'm running ubuntu 5.04 live, and I'd like to play a quicktime movie, is there a package with the codecs?
[06:03] <ogra> superted, it was simply to dangerous
[06:03] <and1> superted thnk
[06:03] <bob2> guerby: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:03] <ogra> guerby, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:04] <mark_> any1 know how i can play xvid movies//clips on ubuntu ?
[06:04] <ogra> heh...hey bob2
[06:04] <bob2> guerby: not all that useful on a livecd, tho
[06:04] <bob2> mark_:  wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:04] <ZxC> Bob2: I read that you have to say no against the default Grub settings and install the Grub boot loader to the Linux Partition otherwhise your Winxp drive in unbootable
[06:04] <\sh> ogra: u r using only chroot right for package building
[06:04] <\sh> ?
[06:04] <bob2> mark_: that is in the FAQ
[06:04] <guerby> bob2, yes I have the pages but it talks about .tar.gz not a package installable from synaptics
[06:04] <bob2> ZxC: no, that would be someone confused
[06:04] <bob2> \sh: a chroot is all you need
[06:04] <bob2> guerby: "the pages" = the URL I gave you above?
[06:04] <guerby> bob2 yes
[06:04] <ZxC> Bob2: are you sure? I read a whole wiki guide here "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view?searchterm=dual%20boot"
[06:05] <MrNonchalant> ZxC: I didn't and my WinXP is bootable.
[06:05] <ogra> \sh, the right way is to use it like described in the PbuilderHowto on the wiki
[06:05] <whiskers> guerby, i have heard of alternative quicktime players but i have never used one myself
[06:05] <ZxC> MrNonchalant: So you just followed all the defaults on the install?
[06:05] <ogra> \sh, BUT YOU PROBABLY SHOULD WAIT UNTIL ITS CONTENT IS UPGRADED FOR BREEZY
[06:05] <\sh> ogra: shit...where was it...wait
[06:05] <ogra> OOPS
[06:05] <guerby> whiskers, on SuSE 9.2 I use mplayer and the packman repo has a package w32-codecs with about everything
[06:05] <\sh> ogra: well...i want to have something...so i need to make a package for myself ;)
[06:05] <ogra> my keyboard goes mad...sorry
[06:06] <ubuntuphile> I'm a newbie.  Any advice for getting a UMAX Astra 3400 scanner to work with Ubuntu Hoary?  usbview shows the scanner, but I think that while it is recognized at the hardware level, there just isn't a software driver for it. I've also tried with other distros, even Knoppix which is supposed to be good with this sort of thing. Should I just scrap this scanner and get another?  If so, what sort of scanner works well with Ubuntu?
[06:06] <bob2> ZxC: I'm pretty damn sure the defaults are fine
[06:06] <efbie> bob2: I've already looked here but there is only keyboard shorcuts. it is really annoying because it conflicts with every graphic applications.
[06:06] <whiskers> guerby, there is something called quicktime alternative at freecodecs.com
[06:06] <whiskers> guerby, but i have never used it myself
[06:06] <guerby> whiskers, thanks for the URL
[06:06] <bob2> ubuntuphile: probably way better off asking on the list, lists.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <bob2> ogra: or sbuild
[06:07] <ogra> bob2, yeah
[06:07] <guerby> whiskers, ok mplayer from multiverse comes with quicktime codec
[06:07] <ubuntuphile> will try lists.ubuntu.com --thanks bob2
[06:08] <ubuntoid> I've tried installing mplayer, but get dependency errors
[06:08] <guerby> whiskers, missing sound
[06:08] <ogra> ubuntoid, form the one in multiverse ?
[06:08] <whiskers> i am not sure where the freecodecs.com server is located...must be in Hungary
[06:08] <njs12345> if my friend is on warty and he upgrades now, will he upgrade to hoary?
[06:08] <ubuntoid> ogra:  Not sure where it was coming from, I assume so
[06:09] <ogra> ubuntoid, that shouldnt happen, its well tested
[06:09] <ubuntoid> I have multiverse in my sources.list
[06:09] <ogra> ubuntoid, please dont use marillat with hoary for mplayer packages
[06:09] <zoso_kubuntu> Anyone have any success getting the ati drivers to work with hoary? I've followed the guides with 0 sucess.
[06:09] <ogra> that will break dependencys...
[06:09] <bob2> ubuntoid: get rid of your marillat lines
[06:09] <ubuntoid> Can I specify a version to apt-get?  apt-get --source or something?
[06:10] <bob2> ubuntoid: yes, the manpage explains it
[06:10] <bob2> ubuntoid: hint: apt-get install blah=1.2.3
[06:10] <ogra> ubuntoid, just leave the marillat lines out
[06:10] <bob2> zoso_kubuntu: ignore everything aside from wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:11] <RealKillaz> where is "make" in ubuntu?
[06:11] <Bazzi> RealKillaz everywhere.
[06:11] <njs12345> RealKillaz: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:11] <ogra> RealKillaz, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:11] <njs12345> ogra: :)
[06:12] <ogra> hmm, i'm getting old ;)
[06:13] <DocKane> hackeron: do you have an efficeon running ? what is you experience with it regarding perfomance ? (i will use it for scanning highres pictures with a nikon cool scan IV and an epson perfection 3200).
[06:13] <RealKillaz> guys my /cdrw disc is locked...
[06:13] <RealKillaz> how can I unlock it?
[06:13] <RealKillaz> cdrw drive*
[06:13] <andrewski> does anyone know which package controls the kubuntu cursors?
[06:13] <^thehatsrule^> umount?
[06:13] <cao30> tried eject?
[06:14] <bob2> andrewski: #kubuntu
[06:14] <ogra> RealKillaz, right click on the icon and eject it ?
[06:14] <DocKane> RealKillaz, umount -l /media/cdrom
[06:14] <DocKane> tried that ?
[06:14] <RealKillaz> ogra: nah I have the command line
[06:14] <andrewski> bob2: i'm there, but there are no devs around.  i seem to be one of the more savvy ones there. :P
[06:14] <RealKillaz> DocKane: lemme try that
[06:14] <ogra> RealKillaz, just: eject
[06:14] <andrewski> bob2: is it ubuntu-artwork?
[06:14] <RealKillaz> ogra: eject wont work
[06:14] <bob2> andrewski: no idea how kubuntu is doing it
[06:14] <cao30> hey RealKillaz, is there any 'fam' process running?
[06:14] <bob2> and I'm almost certain it will be kubuntu-specific
[06:14] <apokryphos> andrewski: why do you need to know?
[06:15] <apokryphos> bob2: it uses the same one as GNOME, so not sure whether that makes it unlikely.
[06:15] <andrewski> apokryphos: the cursors don't work well in KDE, so i'm reporting a bug and want to know which package to tick.
[06:15] <hackeron> DocKane: I never tried an efficion, but I owned a crusoe 866mhz for a few years, the performance was more than fast enough. If not running a full DE, I couldnt tell the difference between it and my 3200+, I didnt do scanning, but I did do a lot of gimping and designed several sites on it and edited photos from my Canon S45 camera.
[06:15] <bendebian> zoso_kubuntu: i have a t41p with an ati fire t2 and followed this guide and it works: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=22496&page=1&pp=10
[06:15] <bob2> erk
[06:15] <Nigelenki> you know
[06:15] <Nigelenki> the ubuntu installer
[06:15] <bob2> I wish people would stop using the forums like that
[06:16] <Nigelenki> looks great on a high definition flat panel WXGA
[06:16] <apokryphos> andrewski: since it's kubuntu settings (not KDE), you'd probably do best reporting it under kubuntu-default-settings. If that's wrong, they'll change it for you
[06:16] <bob2> if the BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki is broken, FIX IT
[06:16] <andrewski> ogra: could be.
[06:16] <Nigelenki> it's perfectly sharp and clear
[06:16] <cao30> has anybody gotten the X Compositing manager work with an ATI Radeon 9000?
[06:16] <DocKane> RealKillaz, any success ?
[06:16] <hackeron> DocKane: the efficeon benchmarks about 3-4 times faster than the crusoe, you shouldnt have any problems unless you are into 3d design or gaming.
[06:16] <bob2> don't spread the documentation out over thousands of "threads" on misc forums
[06:16] <andrewski> apokryphos: ok, sounds good.
[06:16] <RealKillaz> sudo mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom I did this and now... its locked
[06:17] <blight> hi all, having some jerky dvd playback in totem ... any suggestions?
[06:17] <RealKillaz> now I want to umount the /dev/cdrom it's telling me:
[06:17] <cao30> RealKillaz: try 'lsof /mnt/cdrom'
[06:17] <bob2> one of the big advantages of ubuntu is that the docs are centralised
[06:17] <RealKillaz> umount: /dev/hdc mount disagrees with the fstab
[06:17] <andrewski> bob2: can anyone edit the wiki docs?
[06:18] <apokryphos> andrewski: if you have an account, yes.
[06:18] <bob2> andrewski: of course (once you login)
[06:18] <DocKane> hackeron, no i am not going to use it for 3d stuff. buying silent systems for 3d stuff is somehow unaffordable for me (and if i could afford it i wouldnt pay the incredible prices)
[06:18] <mchasard> hi , is there a way to save config on a usb key or another device to retrieve it for a live cd use ?
[06:18] <bob2> RealKillaz: sudo umount /mnt/cdrom
[06:18] <andrewski> can anyone get an account?
[06:18] <apokryphos> yes
[06:18] <bob2> andrewski: yes
[06:18] <andrewski> sweet.
[06:18] <andrewski> because i've found the wikipages to be lacking, so it'd be nice to include.
[06:18] <bob2> every single page on the website has a link to the sign up page
[06:19] <penguin42> is there an ubuntu equivalent of the Debian tools to find which (uninstalled) package has a given file - I want to find the 'makeinfo' program - and apt-cache search found me a package but it doesn't have that in
[06:19] <mchasard> its reaally one thing its missing ...
[06:19] <bob2> penguin42: apt-file, same as in Debian
[06:19] <bob2> penguin42: apt-cache can never find files in packages
[06:19] <DocKane> hackeron, the waf is much more interesting (womens acceptance faktor) :P
[06:19] <penguin42> bob2: Oh - never used that on debian! I always used the dpkg bot on #debian and the package web pages
[06:20] <bob2> penguin42: someone made a contents search thing, it's linked from the front of the wiki
[06:20] <microo> s
[06:20] <penguin42> bob2: Damn - it doesn't find my file
[06:21] <bob2> texinfo: /usr/bin/makeinfo
[06:21] <RealKillaz> bob2: cool
[06:21] <TU2> Ok
[06:21] <liran> hmm
[06:21] <TU2> please help
[06:21] <liran> when ubuntu 5.04 ?
[06:21] <TU2> i can NOT get FGLRX drivers working for the life of me
[06:21] <TU2> i have no idea why
[06:21] <bob2> liran: www.ubuntu.com (it already came out)
[06:21] <nullgambit> how do i disable ipv6?
[06:21] <TU2> i tried the thing an it just dosnt' work
[06:21] <liran> i mean when ubuntu 5.08
[06:21] <bob2> TU2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriveRHowto
[06:21] <bob2> liran: um, in october
[06:21] <TU2> bob2 i read that
[06:21] <bob2> nullgambit: why?
[06:22] <TU2> and it just does not work.
[06:22] <penguin42> bob2: Ta - ah, I hadn't grok'd that apt-file has a seperate database and needed an update first
[06:22] <bob2> TU2: and you followed the instructions exactly?
[06:22] <TU2> 100%
[06:22] <bob2> command-for-command?
[06:22] <TU2> i tried it twice
[06:22] <TU2> yes.
[06:22] <nullgambit> cause i don't need it
[06:22] <TU2> THERES 3 fucking commands
[06:22] <TU2> i am not retarded
[06:22] <microo> s
[06:22] <darkersatanic> TU2: If it's any consolation, it doesn't work on my machine either. I just get a segfault.
[06:22] <bob2> TU2: dude, chill out
[06:22] <darkersatanic> I'm running on AMD64.
[06:22] <TU2> at least a segfault means something
[06:22] <TU2> mine just dosn't work.
[06:22] <bob2> "doesn't work" is not something anyone can help you debug
[06:22] <darkersatanic> Sorry, kernel oops, not segfault.
[06:23] <TU2> well we can start with this
[06:23] <liran> bob2 please check your pm for a sec
[06:23] <TU2> when i run glrxinfo i get
[06:23] <bob2> liran: no
[06:23] <microo> s
[06:23] <bob2> liran: if you have a question, ask it in the channel
[06:23] <flodine> does ubuntu 64 bit have gdeklets
[06:23] <bob2> microo: can you stop doing that please?
[06:23] <TU2> direct rendering: No
[06:23] <flodine> or muine
[06:23] <bob2> flodine: you mean the amd64 port? yes.
[06:23] <TU2> I don't know why dri would be off
[06:23] <bob2> flodine: indeed.
[06:23] <TU2> that should be turned on.
[06:23] <liran> bob2 please check it just this time
[06:23] <AndyR> glx works fine here on gf4 on i686
[06:23] <bob2> TU2: grep DRI /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[06:23] <EddieX> Is there some way to find out how an specifik application has been built ?
[06:23] <bob2> TU2: what does that print out?
[06:23] <and1> hej jena me bertin ketu
[06:23] <bob2> EddieX: you download the Ubuntu source package
[06:24] <bob2> and1: this is an English channel
[06:24] <TU2>         Load    "dri"
[06:24] <and1> inspektorin e krimeve
[06:24] <EddieX> bob2, Ok, thanks
[06:24] <microo> bob2 i'm trying to change the color of my text and i don't know how it is always gray
[06:24] <bob2> TU2: then please file a bug on the linux-restricted-modules package
[06:24] <TU2> Uhh.
[06:24] <darkersatanic> AndyR: I can't either. I bought an AMD64.
[06:24] <TU2> thats it?
[06:24] <TU2> there is nothing else?
[06:24] <TU2> it just dosn't work so there?
[06:24] <TU2> wtf.
[06:24] <penguin42> AndyR: They are getting cheaper; especially the older Itanium 1s
[06:24] <darkersatanic> AndyR: IA64 is Itanium.
[06:24] <bob2> TU2: dude, please chill out
[06:24] <TU2> there has to be something.
[06:24] <bob2> TU2: and stop being so goddamn rude
[06:24] <Rumo> anyone here using lirc?
[06:24] <AndyR> darkersatanic, i know
[06:25] <bob2> TU2: if you file a bug, then one of the X experts in ubuntu can look into it and fix it for you
[06:25] <whiskers> guerby, you say you are missing sound
[06:25] <TU2> you say this as if filing a bug report is simple.
[06:25] <whiskers> guerby, what player are you using
[06:25] <guerby> whiskers, now solved
[06:25] <bob2> TU2: how is it complicated?
[06:25] <samuel> sup all
[06:25] <guerby> took me a while to compute the exact marillat line to add to synaptic
[06:25] <whiskers> guerby, ha....you guys are very lucky
[06:25] <TU2> could this mean something
[06:25] <TU2> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  created "fglrx" driver at busid "PCI:3:0:0"
[06:25] <TU2> (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version matches driver.
[06:25] <TU2> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[06:25] <bob2> TU2: include your X log, the output of 'dmesg', 'lspci' and 'lspci -n'.
[06:25] <bob2> TU2: do not paste it in here
[06:26] <samuel> does anyone know how to put the CPU into low frequency mode when the laptop is on batteries?
[06:26] <bob2> samuel: powernowd should do that automatically
[06:26] <bob2> TU2: if you have a problem filing a bug, please ask for help
[06:26] <mindmedic> samuel, look for cpufreq or acpi throttling
[06:26] <TU2> Ok.
[06:26] <TU2> where is the bug subitting page.
[06:26] <samuel> bob2, mindmedic thanks
[06:26] <bob2> TU2: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:27] <bob2> TU2: you need to sign up, unfortunately
[06:27] <guerby> whiskers, the only thing would be to add to the wiki page the exact line for marillat
[06:27] <TU2> Because you know. i wanted to boot into windows to check my email.
[06:27] <guerby> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[06:27] <TU2> i wonder if thunderbird runs under Wine
[06:27] <TU2> hehe
[06:27] <mindmedic> in dont understand that sudo stuff.. i know how to get root now, but since root doesn't have a password how do i create mysql databases or log into phpmyadmin?
[06:27] <guerby> there are plenty of sentences but the exact line is nowhere to be found :)
[06:27] <KoMpLoT> Hi everyone!, would like to know if I can safely add some debian sources to ubuntu's apt sources.list
[06:28] <bob2> TU2: er, thunderbird runs fine on ubuntu
[06:28] <darkersatanic> KoMpLoT: It's not recommended, no.
[06:28] <guerby> since that was my first contact with debian...
[06:28] <TU2> bob2: True. but not with out messing things up on my NTFS drive :P
[06:28] <bob2> mindmedic: sudo mysql ...
[06:28] <KoMpLoT> darkersatanic, alright, thanks for the answer
[06:28] <Akrame> hi all , can someone tell me if it's possible to play wma files using Beep-Media-Player
[06:28] <bob2> Akrame: probably not
[06:28] <bob2> KoMpLoT: no, don't bother trying
[06:29] <mindmedic> bob2, and i set the mysql user password i like in the user manager?
[06:29] <michael_> hello all... I've got two MAJOR problems that I'm hoping someone could help me with
[06:29] <bob2> mindmedic: and I'd really really really hope you don't actually use your system root password with phpmysql
[06:29] <TU2> heres a real kicker. anyone know why XMMS would crash?
[06:29] <bob2> mindmedic: ok...
[06:29] <AndyR> michael_, we will try
[06:29] <bob2> TU2: if you're using proprietary graphics drivers, that can be enough
[06:29] <mindmedic> bob2, i don't run the server in public :)
[06:29] <TU2> I fucking despise ati.
[06:29] <michael_> the first is that flash has basically died... all I see in place of animations is a small yellow-brown rectangle
[06:29] <bob2> microo: please don't /msg people
[06:29] <michael_> it doesn't matter what browser i use
[06:30] <bob2> TU2: nvidia is worse
[06:30] <mindmedic> TU2, don't buy their cards
[06:30] <michael_> and the standalone player doesn't show anything either
[06:30] <TU2> They both suck under linux.
[06:30] <TU2> Random things break
[06:30] <darkersatanic> mindmedic: Bit late now that he's bought one.
[06:30] <penguin42> mindmedic: You don't have much choice on 3D
[06:30] <mindmedic> bob2, np with my 6600GT :)
[06:30] <TU2> i have heard nothing good from either.
[06:30] <TU2> and i like graphics cards.
[06:30] <TU2> i like to game.
[06:30] <bob2> TU2: if only they documented them properly, they coul both work great
[06:30] <bob2> TU2: you should email them with your thoughts
[06:30] <michael_> anyone else have problems with flash?
[06:30] <TU2> No... out of curiousity.
[06:30] <TU2> so*
[06:30] <darkersatanic> I must try the r300.sf.net drivers at some point. See if they're any good.
[06:31] <TU2> how would i go about listening to some mp3s
[06:31] <darkersatanic> They report being able to play Doom3 on them...
[06:31] <AndyR> i think we should be thankful they (ati & nvidia) are even producing xservers
[06:31] <crimsun> michael_: what sort?
[06:31] <Rumo> try amaroK - TU2
[06:31] <bob2> TU2: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:31] <bob2> encouraging ubuntu users to install amarok seems a bit silly
[06:31] <michael_> crimsun: no animations will display, either on webpages or using the standalone swf player
[06:32] <Rumo> i'm using kubuntu, bob2 *gg*
[06:32] <cavediver> Anyone knows how to mount or extract iso images ?
[06:32] <TU2> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:32] <bob2> AndyR: they aren't producing X servers, they're producing binary-only drivers
[06:32] <TU2> ogg sucks :P
[06:32] <crimsun> michael_: hmm, I don't know of that one; I know of the sound one
[06:32] <Rumo> and amaroK is really a great player
[06:32] <cavediver> Tried mount -o loop, but it don't work.
[06:32] <penguin42> cavediver: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /my/isoimage.iso /mnt/whereever
[06:32] <bob2> cavediver: did you forget to load the loop module?
[06:32] <tim_h_> I plan to switch 50+ Desktop PC from Debian testing to (k)ubuntu. Usually I deploy Debian with a refernce install copy it over using knoppix to the PCs HD. Will this work with kubuntu as well or are there any traps (Hardwaredetection)? The PCs have different Hardware.
[06:32] <bob2> cavediver: sudo modprobe loop
[06:32] <TU2> is there an APT log anywhere?
[06:32] <cavediver> bob2: i've tried that. Get this error
[06:32] <bob2> cavediver: something like kickstart might be a better option
[06:32] <AndyR> bob2, ok but at least they are in active development
[06:33] <TU2> that shows whats been installed and uninstalled?
[06:33] <michael_> crimsun: should i be using the macromedia version or the gpl version>
[06:33] <bob2> TU2: no
[06:33] <crimsun> TU2: no, try aptitude for that
[06:33] <cavediver> bob2: mount: Not a directory
[06:33] <bob2> TU2: aptitude does log it, tho
[06:33] <TU2> things like that make me a sad bear.
[06:33] <bob2> yet another reason to use it
[06:33] <crimsun> michael_: probably want the macromedia version
[06:33] <darksatanic> TU2: dpkg -l will show you the packages currently installed.
[06:33] <bob2> TU2: no, it should make you use aptitude
[06:33] <cavediver> Although the dir i try to mount it to is in fact a directory _?
[06:33] <TU2> fuck. i wanted to toally remove xmms
[06:33] <TU2> no chance no.w
[06:33] <bob2> cavediver: dide you load the loop module or not?
[06:33] <membreya> with the vga= option in grub, does anyone know if it's possible to go above 1024x768? I want 1152x864
[06:33] <bob2> TU2: sudo apt-get remove xmms
[06:33] <cavediver> bob2: yes it's loaded.
[06:33] <TU2> that dosn't remove the dependencies bob
[06:34] <bob2> playing games with the console are usually not worth it
[06:34] <bob2> just use X
[06:34] <michael_> crimsun: one last q regarding flash... should it show up (using firefox) in the plugins list?
[06:34] <bob2> TU2: yes, that's another thing aptitude would have handled for you (did I mention you should be using it instead of apt-get? ;0
[06:34] <ubuntu> i don't know
[06:34] <TU2> bob2,  is there an X interface?
[06:34] <andi_> join #ubuntu
[06:34] <FreezerX> When I came back home I noticed that ubuntu crashed in the meantime on my notebook. I saw a blank screen with a cursor blinking in the left upper corner. I dont know what that was. I had to reboot the system, content of some files, that I forget to save is gone...
[06:34] <cavediver> bob2: i do this. mount -o loop -t iso9660 /mnt/storage/file.iso /mnt/temp
[06:34] <TU2> i can't read the console version of it.
[06:34] <TU2> it's too small
[06:34] <bob2> TU2: er, so fix your terminal
[06:34] <cavediver> bob2: temps is an existing dir.
[06:35] <bob2> cavediver: what does 'lsmod | grep loop' print out?
[06:35] <mindmedic> bob2, i get "error: 'Access denied for user: 'mysql@localhost' (Using password: YES)'"
[06:35] <bob2> mindmedic: awesome
[06:35] <mindmedic> yep...
[06:35] <cavediver> bob2: will check
[06:35] <GarySaved> Does anyone know when work on the next version will start?
[06:35] <Rumo> Any lirc expertund?
[06:35] <bob2> mindmedic: did you read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian and note that the mysql password is not the same as the system root one?
[06:35] <bob2> GarySaved: um, after the weekend?
[06:35] <mindmedic> nope
[06:35] <mindmedic> shame
[06:35] <Rumo> sorry, try again; Any lirc expert around?
[06:36] <cavediver> bob2: loop                   15888  0
[06:36] <mindmedic> thank you very much
[06:36] <bob2> Rumo: I'd really just try the list
[06:36] <cavediver> it says
[06:36] <AndyR> GarySaved, it has started afaik
[06:36] <fab31> does someone have a tablet ?
[06:36] <fab31> where can I get the xorg-SDK ?
[06:36] <fab31> ( I suppose, include files)
[06:36] <bob2> cavediver: mkdir /tmp/foo ;  mount -o loop -t iso9660 /mnt/storage/file.iso /tmp/foo
[06:36] <bob2> fab31: xlibs-dev
[06:36] <fab31> oooh
[06:36] <fab31> thanks
[06:36] <FreezerX> mindmedic: grant all on yourdb.* to 'mysql'@'localhost' identified by 'yourpassword'
[06:36] <bob2> fab31: assuming you mean "Which package contains the X client headers?"
[06:36] <michael_> anyone here using an external hard drive experience unusual problems?
[06:37] <bob2> mindmedic: 2.6.10's usb stuff seems mildly broken for me
[06:37] <TU2> where is this amarok stuff
[06:37] <bob2> er, michael_
[06:37] <TU2> i won't to install it.
[06:37] <fab31> bob2: yep, must be that, I was searching "xorg..."
[06:37] <TU2> want
[06:37] <dj28> michael_, i use an external USB drive just fine
[06:37] <michael_> because both nautilus and Terminal lock up if I try and access any directory further than 2 folders down
[06:38] <michael_> it's fat32
[06:38] <bob2> michael_: 'lock up'?
[06:38] <T6> any dmesg output?
[06:38] <bob2> michael_: nothing in your kernel log?
[06:38] <cavediver> bob2: It's still mount: Not a directory
[06:38] <michael_> yeah... endlessly reading the directory
[06:38] <michael_> no dmesg output
[06:38] <membreya> hmmm what would people recommend...koffice or oo.o?
[06:39] <michael_> i checked the drive using fsck and a surface scan and it's good
[06:39] <cavediver> bob2: however it's a 2.3 GB isofile, if that would cause a problem.
[06:39] <michael_> bob2: i'm assuming the kernel log is in /var
[06:39] <steveO_Laptop> What is needed please help - >> You must install ncurses-devel in order
[06:39] <steveO_Laptop> >> to use 'make menuconfig'
[06:39] <michael_> bob2: but where exactly
[06:40] <penguin42> membreya: oo.o
[06:40] <felipe_> steveO_Laptop apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[06:40] <RealKillaz> what is the location of the C header files of ubuntu?
[06:40] <GarySaved> membreya, oo.o is compatible with anything.  K could not handle extensive footnotes properly.
[06:40] <penguin42> RealKillaz: /usr/include
[06:40] <TU2> linux is so fucking infuriating
[06:40] <TU2> EVERYTHING IS TOO SMALL
[06:40] <fab31> bob2: which packages owns xf86Version.h ? and where can I find it myself ? :P
[06:40] <TU2> i can't read
[06:40] <felipe_> or you can use synaptic to install it
[06:40] <TU2> it's like being blind.
[06:40] <steveO_Laptop> thanks
[06:40] <crimsun> fab31: please use the search feature on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <penguin42> TU2: That is why the preboxed commercial versions come with vallium
[06:40] <cavediver> bob2: isn't there like a program that can extract those iso files insted of mounting them ?
[06:40] <fab31> ok, thanks
[06:41] <RealKillaz> penguin: ok, but i think I need the header files of he kernel
[06:41] <flodine> 64 bit running cool on ubuntu guys
[06:41] <bob2> TU2: maybe your dpi setting is broken
[06:41] <penguin42> Anyone know how I can add a custom key-shortcut on gnome - the edit keyboard shortcut only lets me edit existing ones
[06:41] <TU2> No.
[06:41] <zenrox> cavediver, it be easer to mount iso's then extract files than it is the jsut extrack them
[06:41] <TU2> it is ME
[06:41] <bob2> TU2: or you just didn't configure it the way you want it
[06:41] <RealKillaz> so I should install the kernel files first using apt-get...
[06:41] <TU2> i am halgf friggen blind
[06:41] <TU2> i need glasses
[06:41] <michael_> penguin42: yes, you must use gconf
[06:41] <TU2> but in windows i had it setup so i could read it.
[06:41] <penguin42> michael_: Ah ok
[06:42] <cavediver> zenrox: yes but that doesn't work, so i'm looking for alternative ways
[06:42] <TU2> not to mention the Ubuntu Xchat looks awuful.
[06:42] <TU2> hehe
[06:42] <bob2> fab31: use the apt-file command
[06:42] <michael_> penguin42: i'll give you the keys
[06:42] <cavediver> bob2: I'm running 64 bit ubuntu alsoi
[06:42] <zenrox> cavediver,  you need to apt-get install loop
[06:42] <cavediver> hmm...
[06:42] <zenrox> then modprobe loop
[06:42] <membreya> ok GarySaved just that OO.o 2 doesn't work on amd64
[06:42] <penguin42> michael_: yeh?
[06:42] <fab31> huh.... no packages seems to own it :/
[06:42] <michael_> penguin42: the appropriate keys are in /apps/metacity
[06:42] <chunghau> hi peoples, anyone here using LVM with ubuntu? i'm trying to extend my lv
[06:42] <cavediver> zenrox: there is no loop package apt says.
[06:42] <bob2> zenrox: um, no, he/she does't have to install that package
[06:43] <bob2> that package doesn't exist
[06:43] <Zer0G> hey guys..how do i re-enable 3d support on my nvidia card .. somewher in the kernel upgrade it got disabled
[06:43] <bob2> the loop module is in the standard kernel package
[06:43] <zenrox> bob2,  but you know what i mean right
[06:43] <hunger> chunghau: lvresize does the trick.
[06:43] <michael_> penguin42: you need to edit "global_keybindings" to have a shortcut put to a custom command
[06:43] <bob2> Zer0G: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:43] <cavediver> zenrox: i've done the modprobe loop stuff.
[06:43] <bob2> zenrox: only the modprobe is neccessary
[06:43] <michael_> penguin42: then define that command in "keybinding_commands"
[06:43] <michael_> make sense?
[06:43] <Zer0G> bob2: thanks..i'll chaeck it out
[06:43] <penguin42> michael_: So I set one for run_command_5 say and then set keybinding_commands to the command - ah ok  - snap; hmm not exaclty obvious but I should be able to do it!
[06:44] <michael_> pengin42: that's it
[06:44] <bob2> cavediver: I don't know else might be wrong.  try asking on the list, I guess.
[06:44] <cavediver> This should be so simple, insted it is f*cking frustrating. I need to get the contents of this iso now :()
[06:44] <zenrox> now cavediver  do a mount -t iso9660 -o loop /the/location/of/the.iso /mnt/iso
[06:44] <per02> is there a way to remove laptop-detect without removing the entire system?
[06:44] <FreezerX> Is it possible to play FarCry on Ubuntu? :-)
[06:44] <cavediver> zenrox: well i have tried that a gazillion timed. It just doesn't work I'm afraid :=)
[06:44] <zenrox> hmm
[06:44] <stelt> install CD spins, getting a booting from CD message and then it just boots in Windows, which i want to get rid of. any idea?
[06:44] <cavediver> zenrox: mount: Not a directory
[06:45] <bob2> per02: why do you want to remove it?
[06:45] <chunghau> hunger: is it like lvextend? my problem is that according to /etc/mtab my lv is /dev/mapper/vg0-lv0, but when I try to point to it for lvextend, it doesn't exist (since the only thing under /dev/mapper is "control")
[06:45] <bob2> FreezerX: appdb.codeweavers.com
[06:45] <cavediver> Although my target IS a directory.
[06:45] <cavediver> Really strange i think
[06:45] <bob2> FreezerX: assuming you're refering to some windowssoftware
[06:45] <bob2> cavediver: did you really try /tmp/foo/?
[06:45] <per02> bob2: cuz i have no need for it... i was trimming down the system, removing stuff that i don't use
[06:45] <FreezerX> I mean with crossover or vmware
[06:45] <zenrox> cavediver,  you need to put a sudo in front of the command and you need to make a dir for you to mount a iso
[06:45] <cavediver> My iso files is not cd images but dvd images though
[06:45] <hunger> chunghau: Are you sure your LVM is properly set up and working?
[06:45] <cavediver> bob2: yes tried that one too.
[06:45] <bob2> cavediver: lord
[06:45] <bob2> cavediver: sure they're not UDF then?
[06:45] <hunger> chunghau: I have lots of blockdevs in /etc/mapper
[06:45] <TU2> bob2, I am trying to submit a bug report but it says i need to add a component. what does that mena?
[06:46] <per02> bob2: i know it's probably just a few kb in size, but that's not something the entire system should depend on
[06:46] <penguin42> michael_: And when does it get active?
[06:46] <cavediver> bob2: haven't got a clue on that one actually ?
[06:46] <bob2> TU2: presumably linux-restricted-modules
[06:46] <bob2> cavediver: bah
[06:46] <bob2> cavediver: then try that instead of iso9660
[06:46] <cavediver> bob2: i see.
[06:46] <michael_> penguin42: it ought to be active immediately
[06:46] <bob2> per02: the whole system doesn't depend on it
[06:46] <cavediver> bob2: will try it.
[06:46] <bob2> per02: just the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[06:46] <TU2> i don't see where it would want that
[06:46] <bob2> per02: you can remove that if yo uwant, but then you're on your own when it comes to upgrades
[06:47] <cavediver> bob2: no, that gave me wrong fs type.
[06:47] <cavediver> hmmm
[06:47] <zafar> hello, i've been trying to update my hoary preview to the final for the last 2 days using apt but i have been unable to
[06:47] <pont> Does the ubuntu installer allow me to use ReiserFS for my filesystem ?
[06:47] <penguin42> michael_: Ah yes that's done it - it doesn't balk at values it doesn't like - you have to dig them out of .xession-errors
[06:47] <bob2> zafar: "unable to do so"?
[06:47] <bob2> pont: yes
[06:47] <zafar> first the repos were down and now when it connects it only hits a 14b file and says there are no upgrades
[06:47] <TU2> ummm.
[06:47] <TU2> lame.
[06:47] <michael_> penguin42: that's right... it's very open-ended
[06:47] <per02> bob2, hmm... thx, i'll see what i can do then
[06:47] <bob2> zafar: nothing much has changed in the past few days
[06:47] <TU2> what if it is longer that 65535 chars
[06:47] <pont> bob2, Hmm, When does it prompt you, since I didn't notice it doing such
[06:47] <TU2> how do you err. add more
[06:48] <bob2> TU2: what if *what* is longer than that?
[06:48] <rrfsh> hello
[06:48] <TU2> the bug report
[06:48] <bob2> pont: in the partition section, don't chose the defaults
[06:48] <penguin42> michael_: Don't suppose you know what the magic for scrolllock is (on the basis it ain't used for anything else)
[06:48] <TU2> the description
[06:48] <pont> hmm
[06:48] <pont> ok
[06:48] <bob2> TU2: the description won't be longer than 65535
[06:48] <zafar> well there have been no upgrades at all when there use to be like 40 a day lol
[06:48] <jeepston> hi everyone
[06:48] <bob2> zafar: yes, it released
[06:48] <pont> bob2, does it have reiser4 ?
[06:48] <michael_> penguin42: one sec, i used to know the command to reveal the keyboard codes
[06:48] <bob2> pont: haha, no
[06:49] <pont> toobad :(
[06:49] <penguin42> michael_: I tried a xmodmap -pk | grep -i scroll    to no avail
[06:49] <TU2> bob2 it is.
[06:49] <RealKillaz> where is the README.Debian file for alien?
[06:49] <bob2> pont: you'd actually trust reiser4 with your root filesystem?
[06:49] <michael_> penguin42: got it, this is the reference site i used
[06:49] <michael_> penguin42: http://foolish.fedorausers.org/gnome_keyboard_shortcuts/
[06:49] <bob2> RealKillaz: there probably isn't one.  why?
[06:49] <bob2> TU2: no, add your logs as an attachment
[06:49] <zafar> were there new packages released on the 8th cause i stayed up til past midnight trying to upgrade and then on the afternoon of the 8th
[06:49] <TU2> You can attact?
[06:49] <TU2> where
[06:49] <elocal> is the ntfs resizing during install working or not?
[06:49] <RealKillaz> cause I'm trying to use rpm.. but I getthe message use alien instead of rpm
[06:49] <pont> bob2, There dosn't seem to be THAT many bugs :P
[06:49] <penguin42> michael_: Ah neat thanks!
[06:49] <bob2> TU2: bah, after you file it
[06:50] <bob2> pont: any bug is a problem
[06:50] <elocal> is it integrated in the installer, or does it has to be done manually?
[06:50] <whiskers> that is amazing...ubuntu is still ranking the #1 distro at distrowatch for many many days now
[06:50] <bob2> RealKillaz: read the manpage for it
[06:50] <crimsun> RealKillaz: there is no README.Debian because alien is a Debian-native package. Look at README instead.
[06:50] <michael_> penguin42: no problem, wouldn't want you to suffer looking for it like i did :-)
[06:50] <bob2> distrowatch doesn't seem to reflect reality very well
[06:50] <bob2> tho ubuntu is  very popular
[06:50] <TU2> ahh
[06:50] <TU2> i didn't know that page happened
[06:50] <RealKillaz> man alien gives me noting
[06:50] <bob2> RealKillaz: "noting"?  have you installed it yet?
[06:50] <crimsun> RealKillaz: then you need to install it.
[06:51] <guerby> hi, does ubuntu have the ability to manage multiple X session on the same screen? (like SuSE "switch user")
[06:51] <Zugot> is there a ubuntu dev channel?
[06:51] <penguin42> bob2: I think there are a lot of people jumping from (standard) debian
[06:51] <Zugot> nevermind
[06:51] <bob2> penguin42: yeah
[06:51] <Quest-Master> Zugot: #ubuntu-dev
[06:51] <whiskers> bob2, well maybe it doesn't...that is also a confusing issue
[06:51] <RealKillaz> I installed the rpm package and I thought I saw alien being installed too
[06:51] <cavediver> bob2: i found the problem. It's the xbox iso format, it uses a special file format.
[06:51] <TU2> How do you delete a report and start over?
[06:51] <TheOneCaledor> Zugot: #ubuntu-devel
[06:51] <TU2> i didn't know about this add file page
[06:51] <michael_> i'm still trying to deal with this external usb drive problem
[06:51] <H0lyD4wg> guerby, multiple sessions on one xserver or multiple xservers on one physical screen?
[06:51] <bob2> cavediver: hah
[06:51] <pont> Ok next question :), Any email client that allowes me to move things to different folders based on sender ?
[06:51] <Quest-Master> ah, that's it
[06:51] <michael_> i suspect that it may be the kernel
[06:51] <RealKillaz> oh no it suggested it
[06:52] <bob2> TU2: you can't.  just close it or follow up to it saying that you scrwed up.
[06:52] <guerby> H0lyD4wg, multiple X on one phys screen
[06:52] <RealKillaz> *shame*
[06:52] <pont> well reciver ?
[06:52] <cavediver> bob2: maybe they are un-mountable in linux i guess.
[06:52] <whiskers> cavediver, yes xbox uses a special format and as far as i know there is only one GNU program to crack it
[06:52] <TU2> bob2,  and restart it?
[06:52] <bob2> pont: if you're really serious, use procmail
[06:52] <bob2> TU2: why do you want to delete it?
[06:52] <michael_> has anyone had a problem listing directories two-deep with any hard drives before?
[06:52] <TU2> bob2,  it is all fucked up.
[06:52] <glass-eye> how do i install something that is marked as being in "
[06:52] <guerby> H0lyD4wg, it's alaways doable on command line, but SuSE has that integrated in the menus and screen lock
[06:52] <glass-eye> universe"?
[06:52] <cavediver> whiskers: ohh i see.
[06:52] <TU2> i didn't know you could attatch shit.
[06:52] <bob2> TU2: how so?
[06:52] <zafar> bob2: doesnt the final have gnome 2.10.1? mine still says 2.10.0
[06:52] <penguin42> michael_: Sounds odd - unless you are hitting something like maximum path length?
[06:52] <bob2> glass-eye: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:52] <TU2> bob2, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8902
[06:52] <H0lyD4wg> guerby, gdmflexiserver (Applications>System Tools>New Login)
[06:52] <glass-eye> bob2: thanks
[06:53] <TU2> i am going to get PHYSICALLY violent. this xchat layout hurts
[06:53] <bob2> TU2: it doesn't matter if you think it's wrong, just follow up with the correct information
[06:53] <cybo-mobile> I need a guide for sdk or jre for ubuntu64 (amd64 is what I have)
[06:53] <whiskers> cavediver, but we are not allowed to use that GNU program in the US
[06:53] <michael_> penguin42: i doubt that... this is the path currently (via Terminal)
[06:53] <bob2> TU2: please just calm down
[06:53] <REWind> do anyone know how do change my screen to have less coulors then maximum as default?
[06:53] <bob2> TU2: go read a book for a while or something
[06:53] <michael_> penguin42: root@ubuntu:/media/WD USB 2/Applications/Utilities # cd Cryptainer
[06:53] <bob2> REWind: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:53] <TU2> no
[06:53] <TU2> fuck that
[06:53] <michael_> penguine42: and it spins and spins
[06:53] <TU2> i am fixing this now.
[06:53] <guerby> H0lyD4wg, thanks I missed that in the menu
[06:53] <TU2> i just want to know who thought a gray backround was a good idea
[06:53] <crimsun> zafar: not all packages needed to be updated for 2.10.1
[06:53] <TU2> it's nto
[06:53] <michael_> penguin42: no worries if you don't have any hints
[06:54] <michael_> no one else does
[06:54] <bob2> TU2: you're free to disagree, but you're not objectively right, remember
[06:54] <TU2> i know.
[06:54] <zafar> crimsun: if i go into System > About Gnome it says 2.10.0 ..  is that normal?
[06:54] <TU2> grumble
[06:54] <TU2> i can't read MY text now
[06:54] <cybo-mobile> TU2 what are you talking about?
[06:54] <bob2> tho it certainly might be an accessibility issue
[06:54] <penguin42> michael_: dmesg say anything?
[06:54] <TU2> Xchat by default from source
[06:54] <TU2> has a BEATIFUL color scheme
[06:54] <crimsun> zafar: can't check atm, I'm not running the X Window System
[06:54] <michael_> zafar: as long as you keep ubuntu up-to-date using synaptic you'll always have the latest version of ubuntu
[06:54] <cybo-mobile> TU2, I hate it
[06:54] <TU2> the ubuntu one is blinding
[06:54] <michael_> penguin42: nothing
[06:55] <whiskers> what bothers me is that some of those xbox cracking programs have an internet upload feature....at least as far as i can tell from their screenshots
[06:55] <crimsun> zafar: but afaik, yes, that's correct
[06:55] <michael_> penguin42: eventually the drive spins down from inactivity
[06:55] <guerby> H0lyD4wg, what is the ubuntu password? I'm using the live CD and it now asks for a password :)
[06:55] <rrfsh> hi bob2 with wich application i can open the ram file/
[06:55] <penguin42> bob2: There are some small things - e.g. the graphical login text is very small on 1600x1200 and I can't see any obvious way to change it
[06:55] <bob2> rrfsh: "ram file"?
[06:55] <cybo-mobile> TU2, I miss the one from sid, the grey text for my posts are driving me mad
[06:55] <H0lyD4wg> when i run uxterm it says "Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C", how do i fix it?
[06:55] <rrfsh> y
[06:55] <TU2> cybo-mobile, i love the default
[06:55] <TU2> where can i get that one.
[06:55] <TU2> so easy to read
[06:55] <zafar> alright thanks for all the help
[06:55] <bob2> penguin42: the font size should be set in points, ie be physically the same size on any screen
[06:55] <H0lyD4wg> guerby, I don't know. try an empty one?
[06:56] <zafar> im out cya
[06:56] <michael_> guerby: that's YOUR password, meant for security
[06:56] <bob2> TU2: isn't it just the GTK theme?
[06:56] <zafar> ubuntu kicksass btw
[06:56] <zafar> :)
[06:56] <cybo-mobile> TU2, I like transparent xchat and with this one from ubuntu, it can not be done due to the grey text from myself
[06:56] <TU2> bob no it's xchat
[06:56] <guerby> H0lyD4wg, tried empty and ubuntu
[06:56] <penguin42> bob2: Indeed - although auto detecting DPI is pretty random
[06:56] <bob2> H0lyD4wg: how up to date are you?
[06:56] <TU2> god danm it
[06:56] <cybo-mobile> TU2, get the one from sid
[06:56] <TU2> now i can't read anything i type
[06:56] <TU2> it's too dark.
[06:56] <michael_> guerby: when you need to log in or do an administrative task it'll ask tyou for your password
[06:56] <bob2> penguin42: sure, the dpi probably requires a question
[06:56] <guerby> michael_, it's the liveCD, not my real system :)
[06:56] <H0lyD4wg> bob2, Hoary
[06:56] <bob2> TU2: please just stop ranting and file a bug
[06:56] <Fator_Dee> guerby: maybe it's "password"
[06:56] <rrfsh> bob2
[06:56] <TU2> I would love to
[06:56] <michael_> guerby: lol, right... does it ask you on boot?
[06:56] <TU2> BUT I CAN'T READ ANYTHING
[06:56] <delrone> Anyone had problems with sound not playing in Firefox, but working fine for OS sounds and Rhythmbox?
[06:56] <AnguS> hi there!
[06:57] <bob2> TU2: then stop whining and increase your font size
[06:57] <penguin42> bob2: Hehe - what we need is a dialog with a picture of known coins on them and asking how large they are :-)
[06:57] <guerby> michael_, I was using the livecd and did tools / new user
[06:57] <njs12345> delrone: yes, I'm fairly sure I know why
[06:57] <bob2> penguin42: haha
[06:57] <bob2> rrfsh: ?
[06:57] <cybo-mobile> some one give me a lead for howto jre/sdk on ubunto64?
[06:57] <guerby> michael_, I believe this is not really intended to work on livecd :)
[06:57] <TU2> i don't know how to globally.
[06:57] <delrone> njs12345: I broke my computer? :P
[06:57] <bob2> lord
[06:57] <njs12345> delrone: nope :P try this
[06:57] <njs12345> in a terminal
[06:57] <njs12345> killall esd
[06:57] <njs12345> that'll kill all your sound, but sound might work in Firefox :P
[06:57] <delrone> njs12345: lol
[06:57] <TU2> ok.
[06:57] <michael_> guerby: i'd tend to agree... some live-cds like Zen and now knoppix let you do major system changes
[06:57] <TU2> i have an idea.
[06:57] <rrfsh> bob2 with wich application i can open the ram file?
[06:58] <michael_> guerby: but not the ubuntu one as far as i know
[06:58] <H0lyD4wg> bob2, according to the update manager, i'm up to date.
[06:58] <TU2> how do you file/close or turn off a bugzilla report first
[06:58] <delrone> njs12345: pretty rough workaround, eh?
[06:58] <TU2> lemme unfuck that first
[06:58] <epicenter> I tried to resize my NTFS partition and Windows XP was entirely destroyed. The partition is also unmountable. Is there any way to FORCE linux to mount it and get at my data? I don't give two shits if Windows is recoverable.
[06:58] <TU2> thats most important.
[06:58] <njs12345> delrone: kinda
[06:58] <michael_> guerby: you could try sudo passwd in the terminal but it might kill sudo functionality
[06:58] <njs12345> which sounds are you talking about?
[06:58] <kbrooks> michael_, it did not
[06:58] <kbrooks> michael_, i used it
[06:58] <delrone> njs12345: well, anything out of a flash file
[06:58] <AnguS> i installed hoary, niiiiice :D best distro seen so far, for my taste... but i have two problems:
[06:58] <kbrooks> , and it didnt kill sudo
[06:59] <guerby> michael_, Ctrl-Alt-f1 doesnt work right on my laptop (not linked to ubuntu, same issues with other linux)
[06:59] <bob2> rrfsh: I have no idea what a "ram file
[06:59] <bob2> " is
[06:59] <penguin42> bob2: Is it realmedia ?
[06:59] <michael_> guerby: opena gnome terminal
[06:59] <bob2> H0lyD4wg: weird, dunno then
[06:59] <njs12345> delrone: email MM telling them to use gstreamer for the next Flash Player
[06:59] <DocKane> epicenter, i shortly had to recover a partition table of a ntfs partition. is that you problem ?
[06:59] <delrone> njs12345: i haven't tested a CD in the drive over analog yet, but internet radio works fine in Rhythmbox
[06:59] <bob2> penguin42: oh, .ram
[06:59] <michael_> kbrooks: thanks, that's useful info
[06:59] <bob2> rrfsh: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:59] <cybo-mobile> anybody here running ubuntu64?
[06:59] <FreezerX> epicenter, /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 is the entry in /etc/fstab to mount a winxp partition
[06:59] <delrone> njs12345: email address?
[06:59] <bob2> please do try to be more specific
[06:59] <kbrooks> michael_, TIAS yourself
[06:59] <AnguS> 1. i absolutelly need to set a proxy to apt, else i can't update the packages, nor get the vpnc client... how do i set the proxy to use for apt? in debian it is asked during installation, but ubuntu unfortunatelly didn't ask me for proxys :(
[06:59] <njs12345> delrone: hold on, I meant it figuratively anyway =P
[06:59] <FreezerX> assuming your moun point is /mnt/winxp
[06:59] <guerby> michael_, the session was locked when I did switch user
[07:00] <delrone> njs12345: :P
[07:00] <epicenter> FreezerX: I've just been usig mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[07:00] <delrone> njs12345: no worries then
[07:00] <AnguS> 2. screen refresh in x is limited to 60 Hz, how can i raise that in x.org?
[07:00] <guerby> michael_, saved for once ctrl-alt-F1 did work and sudo passwd ubuntu allowed me to add one
[07:00] <njs12345> delrone: test my workaround with this page: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
[07:00] <guerby> michael_, thanks for the help
[07:00] <michael_> guerby: clearly it isn't made to do that ;-)
[07:00] <[NeiL] > nas
[07:00] <njs12345> that is _THE_ _BEST_ _FLASH_ _ANIMATION_ _EVER_
[07:00] <njs12345> :D
[07:00] <guerby> michael_, should I open a bugzilla?
[07:00] <Fator_Dee> AnguS: you can set up a proxy through synaptic
[07:00] <Sargas> laz [NeiL] 
[07:01] <michael_> guerby: that'd be a good idea
[07:01] <[NeiL] > las Sargas
[07:01] <AnguS> Fator_Dee nice, i didn't think about that lol :D
[07:01] <FreezerX> add the line to your fstab, create the mountpoint and enter mount yourmountpoint
[07:01] <guerby> michael_, ok will do (obviously unimportant :)
[07:01] <michael_> guerby: probably not one of the top goals of the maintainers, but i would use it if it existed
[07:01] <AnguS> i'll reboot right into ubuntu again, thanks :D
[07:01] <guerby> michael_, I assume everything work fine for a normal install
[07:02] <FR500> hello
[07:02] <michael_> guerby: oh, yes it does :-)
[07:02] <pont> what should i burn software with while on ubuntu
[07:02] <michael_> pont: you can use gnomebaker or k3b
[07:02] <guerby> michael_, I'm going to install it, everything I wanted to check is ok :)
[07:02] <Sargas> ciao
[07:02] <michael_> guerby: good luck, it's a great distro
[07:03] <pont> michael_, Is gnomebacker anygood ?
[07:03] <guerby> michael_, one question, is it possible to mirror the packages locally? I have multiple machines and don't want to download many times
[07:03] <Fator_Dee> pont: or graveman
[07:03] <whiskers> epicenter, well....you can mount the partition if NTFS support was enabled in the kernel
[07:03] <pont> hmm, so whats good
[07:03] <michael_> pont: it's pretty good... i prefer k3b myself
[07:03] <whiskers> epicenter, but i did not compile the ubuntu kernel so i don't know
[07:03] <epicenter> whiskers: I think it is .. I've mounted NTFS before :P
[07:03] <michael_> pont: personal preference
[07:03] <epicenter> just never DAMAGED ntfs
[07:03] <pont> k3b uses kde tho
[07:03] <pont> ICK
[07:03] <pont> :P
[07:03] <michael_> guerby: hmm.... one sec
[07:04] <FreezerX> I also use a winxp partition
[07:04] <wezzer-> should gnomebaker work if I'm not root
[07:04] <whiskers> epicenter, well is it just a partition on the same hard drive
[07:04] <michael_> guerby: it may be possible to copy the package cache
[07:04] <FreezerX> but only for reading :-)
[07:04] <epicenter> Whiskers: yes
[07:04] <wezzer-> I mean, should I use sudo everytime I launch gnomebaker?
[07:04] <michael_> guerby: let me take a quick look
[07:04] <njs12345> delrone: there might be a workaround using something called esddsp as well, but it's not shipped with ubuntu and I don't know what package it's in
[07:04] <michael_> wezzer: nope
[07:04] <LinuxJones> wezzer-, you should use sudo for gnomebaker
[07:04] <michael_> wezzer: it'll work fine
[07:04] <epicenter> Here is what I get
[07:04] <whiskers> well try mount -t NTFS /dev/hdx /mnt/xp but mkdir /mnt/xp
[07:04] <Fator_Dee> LinuxJones: why?
[07:04] <epicenter> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[07:04] <epicenter>        missing codepage or other error
[07:04] <epicenter>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:04] <epicenter>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:04] <guerby> michael_, no hurry, I'm pretty sure via google I'll be able to find out in not that long :)
[07:04] <wezzer-> ahu
[07:04] <wezzer-> +m
[07:04] <wezzer-> ok
[07:04] <wezzer-> I must try it again then
[07:05] <delrone> njs12345: lol. it worked. and that is _the_ coolest thing since ... well, school house rock :P
[07:05] <LinuxJones> Fator_Dee, it crashes if you run as regular user
[07:05] <alterim> can someone help me play xvids in ubuntu?
[07:05] <penguin42> epicenter: cat /proc/filesystems and see if ntfs is in there
[07:05] <delrone> njs12345: what's esd, the sound daemon?
[07:05] <njs12345> delrone: yup, it rules! :D
[07:05] <alterim> i can't seem to get any xvid to play properly
[07:05] <njs12345> yes
[07:05] <TU> are there any plugins to make Music Player play MP3s?
[07:05] <Fator_Dee> LinuxJones: right away or when you start the burning process?
[07:05] <michael_> guerby: the folder seems to be /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:05] <FreezerX> epicenter, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:05] <njs12345> TU: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:05] <delrone> njs12345: hrm, odd. assuming it'll restart itself on a reboot, how do i restart it manually? ./esd?
[07:05] <LinuxJones> Fator_Dee, for me it needs root premissions
[07:06] <michael_> guerby: or simply /var/cache/apt
[07:06] <LinuxJones> Fator_Dee, on launch
[07:06] <njs12345> delrone: esd >& /dev/null &
[07:06] <TU> njs12345,  XMMS dosn't work and i don't want to install a bunch of bullshit for amarok
[07:06] <guerby> michael_, so I just rsync that between machines and it should avoid a download?
[07:06] <alterim> can someone help me play xvids in ubuntu?
[07:06] <Fator_Dee> LinuxJones: well, it seems you have something wrong, mine works properly
[07:06] <bob2> alterim: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:06] <njs12345> TU: you need to enable universe and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:06] <bob2> alterim: please read the FAQ
[07:06] <alterim> bob2 that doesn't help
[07:06] <bob2> alterim: yes, it does
[07:06] <alterim> please listen to me when i say that
[07:06] <alterim> no, it doesn't
[07:06] <bob2> we went through this already
[07:06] <bob2> install mplayer
[07:06] <bob2> enjoy
[07:06] <alterim> they recomend installing mplayer
[07:07] <njs12345> the instructions are in the restricted formats page
[07:07] <alterim> does not work
[07:07] <alterim> you think i haven't tried this
[07:07] <Coily> how 'safe' is it to resize an ext3 partition with (what i assume i should use) parted?
[07:07] <epicenter> Same error folllowing those instructions.
[07:07] <njs12345> oops
[07:07] <bob2> "does not work"
[07:07] <bob2> awesome
[07:07] <epicenter> I won't mount
[07:07] <wezzer-> add universe to your repositories
[07:07] <epicenter> tIt
[07:07] <epicenter> It
[07:07] <michael_> guerby: using synaptic, if you update and upgrade one machine, then copy that folder to all the other machines, run an update on each of those to update the package list, then run the upgrade, they'll use the locally cahced files to avoid downloading
[07:07] <alterim> bob2 mplayer loads and freezes
[07:07] <alterim> awesome
[07:07] <LinuxJones> alterim, gxine is quite nice
[07:07] <Coily> anyone?
[07:07] <TU> ok.
[07:07] <michael_> guerby: as long as they're the same version
[07:07] <whiskers> epicenter, well epi i don't know if NTFS should be capitalized or not because i have never mounted NTFS
[07:07] <TU> FINALLY. music.
[07:07] <guerby> michael_, ok thanks
[07:07] <TU> ahhh...
[07:07] <FR500> Coily, i just did no problems, but it may have been luck
[07:07] <delrone> njs12345: why /dev/null if i may ask?
[07:07] <michael_> guerby: best of luck
[07:07] <TU> wtf.
[07:07] <whiskers> epicenter, perhaps try ntfs
[07:07] <epicenter> it isn't capitalized
[07:08] <epicenter> and shouldn't be
[07:08] <njs12345> delrone: /dev/null just wipes things
[07:08] <TU> the pitch on this music is totally fucked.
[07:08] <Coily> FR500, hm ya id like to know the risks first
[07:08] <astro76> Coily: it's very safe and reliable, but as always you should have backups
[07:08] <whiskers> epicenter, well try both
[07:08] <njs12345> it's kind of hard to explain, but it like discards the output
[07:08] <FR500> Coily, but it wasnt my main partition, just an additional one so it wasnt really dangerous
[07:08] <FR500> altough i had some important data
[07:08] <michael_> Coily: i found I had to remove ext3's journal then readd it. Not too sure of the command, but google it to find out
[07:08] <guerby> michael_, I'm burning the install CD right now :)
[07:08] <delrone> njs12345: *nod* gotcha
[07:08] <michael_> maybe it was just me though
[07:08] <whiskers> epicenter, and also we don't know if ubuntu compiled NTFS support in the kernel
[07:08] <TU> Wow. any one ever have trouble with XMMS playing stuff too fast?
[07:08] <Coily> michael_, alright thanks
[07:08] <michael_> guerby: hope it's a flawless install
[07:09] <TU> and have it sounding like the artists are sucking down helium like crack
[07:09] <michael_> Coily: no problem
[07:09] <REWind> bob2, I changed the amount of coulors in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and that did it.. didn't want to ask thousend of questions in that reconfigure program you told me. But wasn't a possiblity in Warty to set the amount of coulors in the gui? Or did I change it manualy last time as well...
[07:09] <FR500> TU, some screwed mp3s had that one for me
[07:09] <guerby> michael_, well livecd did work after all :)
[07:09] <TU> it's all of myy Mp3s
[07:09] <pont> xmms is *&#6@
[07:09] <TU> and i know they are all good.
[07:09] <robin__> is there a way to install ubuntu with a netinstall ?
[07:09] <michael_> guerby: that's a good sign :)
[07:09] <TU> Pont xmms WORKS. nothing else does.
[07:09] <pont> so is everyother audio player for linux
[07:09] <cybo-mobile> anybody thought of splitting this channel?
[07:09] <guerby> michael_, and SuSE 9.2 was already running fine
[07:09] <crimsun> cybo-mobile: into...?
[07:09] <FR500> TU, tried beep-media-player?
[07:09] <cybo-mobile> other channels
[07:10] <cybo-mobile> like ##ubuntu
[07:10] <pont> TU, Beep-Media-Player is abit better then xmms :)
[07:10] <FR500> TU, altough it has the same base so it might not work
[07:10] <michael_> guerby: perfect
[07:10] <crimsun> cybo-mobile: uh, that ## mess is totally stupid for Ubuntu
[07:10] <LinuxJones> robin__, you can use a debian netinstall disk but it's not the recommended way.
[07:10] <cybo-mobile> right
[07:10] <FreezerX> cybo-mobile, why do want to split this dynamic channel? :-)
[07:10] <TU> What the good fuck
[07:10] <michael_> TU: if beep doesn't work, you could try muine, amarok, noatun, or zinf
[07:10] <robin__> LinuxJones: okay, that will do
[07:10] <pont> There really is a lack of good audioplayers for linux
[07:10] <FR500> TU, ???
[07:10] <TU> I am trying to play them off of an NTFS drive
[07:10] <michael_> pont: i disagree
[07:10] <cybo-mobile> just an idea, seems real real bushy
[07:10] <TU> could that cause this?
[07:10] <TU> it's ilke it is reading them too fast.
[07:10] <FR500> TU, works for me
[07:10] <cybo-mobile> busy=busy
[07:11] <michael_> pont: amarok and beep are amazing
[07:11] <pont> michael_, Whats a good one ?
[07:11] <LinuxJones> robin__, search the wiki someone has the steps listed
[07:11] <FreezerX> I like bushy channels :-)
[07:11] <TU> I KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THIS
[07:11] <robin__> LinuxJones: okay thx
[07:11] <michael_> pont: what do you dislike about them?
[07:11] <TU> FUCK LINUX, FUCK UBUNTU
[07:11] <FR500> TU try to copy first
[07:11] <TU> I WILL BOOT BACK INTO WINDOWS
[07:11] <michael_> TU: calm down
[07:11] <FR500> TU stfu
[07:11] <TU> FUCK LINUX, FUCK UBUNTU
[07:11] <TU> FUCK LINUX, FUCK UBUNTU
[07:11] <TU> FUCK LINUX, FUCK UBUNTU
[07:11] <cybo-mobile> well, I guess I like bushy channesl to
[07:11] <michael_> TU: that's not appropriate
[07:11] <LinuxJones> TU, get out
[07:11] <FreezerX> TU its hart I know
[07:11] <TU> ctrl-alt-delete dosn't even work.
[07:11] <njs12345> delrone: I've found a more elegant workaround :)
[07:11] <lrn> TU and FUCK THE ONE THAT FUCK YOUR MOTHER
[07:11] <lrn> :P
[07:11] <lrn> FUCKED*
[07:11] <michael_> TU: and if you don't want to try to learn. then go use windows
[07:12] <crimsun> TU: you seem to have forgotten your medication.
[07:12] <FreezerX> TU, try to enter shutdown ;-)
[07:12] <LinuxJones> GUYS STOP CURSING
[07:12] <njs12345> delrone: sudo apt-get install esound-clients
[07:12] <njs12345> esddsp firefox
[07:12] <delrone> njs12345: ahha
[07:12] <pont> michael_, I havent used amarok, but beep isn't THAT good... Inabilty to work (numorus), annoying gui, xmms, beep lack of gapless play, well tell me one with gapless
[07:12] <delrone> njs12345: giving it a whirl
[07:12] <crimsun> njs12345: no need for that. mozilla-firefox already uses a wrapper as necessary.
[07:12] <njs12345> crimsun: is that right?
[07:12] <michael_> pont: yeah, the lack of gapless play is a problem, but i think there's a plugin
[07:12] <whiskers> epicenter, did you ever get the sound working on that nvidia chip
[07:12] <michael_> let me look around
[07:13] <FR500> pont, what is numorus?
[07:13] <epicenter> whiskers: yes
[07:13] <delrone> njs12345: is there any danger to doing manual apt-get updates outside of using the synaptic package manager?
[07:13] <crimsun> njs12345: it's even documented in the README.Debian.gz
[07:13] <alterim> can someone please tell me why totem-xine and vlc are playing my xvids fine but with no sound?
[07:13] <whiskers> epicenter, well i will be ...what was it
[07:13] <michael_> delrone: none at all
[07:13] <epicenter> delrone: Not that I can see
[07:13] <cybo-mobile> followed this:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre and no java in ubuntu64. How do I get java?
[07:13] <pont> FR500, My inability to spell :P
[07:13] <epicenter> whiskers: had to compile and install ALSA 1.0.9RC2
[07:13] <FR500> delrone, they use the same database
[07:13] <njs12345> delrone: no, that's basically what synaptic does, without the fancy GUI :P
[07:13] <FR500> ok
[07:13] <epicenter> it had prior versions have a broken ac97 modue
[07:13] <epicenter> module
[07:13] <whiskers> epicenter, oh...ok...it was a driver problem then.
[07:13] <delrone> njs12345, FR500, epicenter: ah, thanks guys :)
[07:13] <bob2> TU: please go read the Code of Conduct
[07:14] <pont> I have have encounted alot of problems getting Rythembox and Muine to work
[07:14] <FR500> :p
[07:14] <FreezerX> cybo, download Java from java.sun.com and make your own java deb package
[07:14] <pont> need foobar2k for linux :P
[07:14] <zenrox> epicenter,  my ac97 ant broke
[07:14] <epicenter> ocuh
[07:14] <michael_> pont: yeah that'd be nice
[07:14] <epicenter> ouch
[07:14] <epicenter> well mine is ;P
[07:14] <pont> foobar2k in wine is good
[07:14] <epicenter> until I updated
[07:14] <crimsun> epicenter: there are many ac97 mixers
[07:14] <michael_> pont: amarok has gapless
[07:14] <whiskers> epicenter, well you are one of a very few that has a video/snd capture system along with a separate sound system
[07:14] <Feugan> hi all. I downloaded ubutu 5.04-preview, if i install will it be possible to upgade to 5.04 final ??
[07:14] <pont> michael_, Does it, hmm
[07:14] <whiskers> epicenter, nice to know it can work
[07:14] <michael_> pont: sort of like foobar/itunes
[07:14] <cybo-mobile> I cando that  FreezerX, but it is the links in lib32 lib64 and lib, I dont know what to do with it.
[07:15] <alterim> can someone please tell me why totem-xine and vlc are playing my xvids fine but with no sound?
[07:15] <LinuxJones> Feugan, yeah it's easy
[07:15] <crimsun> Feugan: yes, just update && dist-upgrade
[07:15] <epicenter> Yeah, now I just have this whole catastrophic data loss thing to deal with
[07:15] <michael_> pont: give it a few days, it might grow on you
[07:15] <epicenter> logging off to recover hdd from another machine.
[07:15] <cybo-mobile> I can install java sdk in deb32 no prob.
[07:15] <yfir> Feugan: yes, no problem
[07:15] <crimsun> alterim: have you killed esd?
[07:15] <TU2> !
[07:15] <njs12345> hmm, that's strange, I could have sworn it wasn't working before, but now it does :P
[07:15] <pont> michael_, Dunno, I hate kde :P
[07:15] <TU2> My sound, video, and MP3s work!
[07:15] <whiskers> epicenter, well the data is probably not lost....but you may have to compile a whole kernel to enable NTFS support...i don't know
[07:15] <Feugan> those are shell commands?
[07:15] <FreezerX> cybo-mobile, did you read this documentation? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:15] <tcwd> TU2: Maybe you need the drivers
[07:15] <tcwd> ?
[07:15] <TU2> Wonder why. Oh. wait. i know why. i booted into windows.
[07:16] <cybo-mobile> FreezerX, lookin now
[07:16] <michael_> pont: actually amarok has crossfading, but if disabled it'll do gapless (i think)
[07:16] <njs12345> thank god for that, what a tool
[07:16] <michael_> pont: you don't need kde, only the kdelibs
[07:16] <FR500> TU2 spyware works too?
[07:16] <alterim> crimsun: how do i tell that?
[07:16] <michael_> pont: it runs wonderfully in gnome, with a notification icon etc
[07:16] <alterim> i don't think i'm using ESD
[07:16] <njs12345> FR500: I think he left, but nice comeback :P
[07:16] <pont> Oh, michael_ newest beep does crossfading too
[07:16] <crimsun> alterim: pkill esd, then restart vlc
[07:16] <FR500> arggghhh
[07:16] <michael_> pont: nice!
[07:16] <FR500> well
[07:16] <FR500> though luck
[07:17] <alterim> crimsun: according to my sound mixer properties i'm using OSS
[07:17] <michael_> pont: what other problems were you having?
[07:17] <alterim> crimsun: the only other option is ALSA
[07:17] <crimsun> alterim: not relevant to mixer
[07:17] <alterim> hmm
[07:17] <crimsun> alterim: that's something unrelated.
[07:17] <FreezerX> alterim, you can change you sound device in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf. Replace alsa with esd
[07:17] <alterim> crimsun: ok i'll try that command
[07:17] <Choubaka> esd...
[07:17] <Choubaka> *brr*
[07:17] <delrone> njs12345: interesting. installed the esound-clients, and now firefox hangs whenever it tries to access flash content
[07:17] <alterim> FreezerX: what you are saying doesn't match what crimsun just said
[07:18] <Choubaka> Don't use esd.
[07:18] <Choubaka> if you must, use dmix.
[07:18] <pont> michael_, I don't really like the gui of beep as I was saying (amarok looks abit cluttered its self (but its kde)) but yea, Rhythembox and WxMusik seem to have a good interface
[07:18] <njs12345> pont: you might wanna try Muine
[07:18] <phoenixp3k> Is there a way to watch wmv files ?
[07:18] <FreezerX> Yesterday I had the problem like you. Someone told me to change the device and it works. mplayer doesnt freeze anymore and plays my avi files :-)
[07:19] <pont> njs12345, Had a little look at that, Looks good
[07:19] <njs12345> phoenixp3k: install vlc or mplayer
[07:19] <michael_> pont: very true.... amarok is a bit cluttered, but I'm a feature maven, and rythymbox didn't do it for mw
[07:19] <michael_> pont: i might take another look at wxmusik though
[07:19] <wezzer-> i suggest mplayer
[07:19] <phoenixp3k> njs12345, seems to crash before opening
[07:19] <mackid> hey all.. can anyone tell me how I might resize my root partition (ext3)?  I know GParted can do it, but not while booted from it :-P any ideas, folks?
[07:19] <pont> michael_, Yea im ganna have another look too
[07:19] <FR500> phoenixp3k, xine, mplayer and even totem works, all u need is the w32codecs package
[07:19] <astro76> mackid: http://www.sysresccd.org/
[07:19] <njs12345> mackid: use a LiveCD?
[07:20] <REWind> ciao!
[07:20] <mackid> is it possible to do it with a hoary *install* CD?
[07:20] <phoenixp3k> FR500, installed the package and still couldn't read those files
[07:20] <mackid> rather than a liveCD..
[07:20] <FR500> phoenixp3k, tried xine?
[07:20] <michael_> pont: i rememer now.. was going to try it out, but couldn't find a .deb anywheres
[07:20] <michael_> pont: didn't feel like compiling
[07:20] <njs12345> mackid: probably not
[07:20] <phoenixp3k> FR500, xine? an other player?
[07:21] <michael_> mackid: nope, no other way
[07:21] <pont> michael_, Is it easy compiling on ubuntu ?
[07:21] <njs12345> http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/
[07:21] <Feugan> mackid: a good live cd is systemrescuecd
[07:21] <njs12345> that one is only like 30mb
[07:21] <delrone> I'm assuming that when you install new applications with apt-get, they don't get linked to in the Applications menu with a pretty little icon and such, correct?
[07:21] <mackid> I'll use systemrescueCD.. it's smaller than I had expected.
[07:21] <FR500> phoenixp3k, yes, but it's a bit more than that
[07:21] <michael_> pont: all you need to do it get the "build-essential" meta-package from the repository
[07:21] <mackid> only 100MB.
[07:21] <astro76> mackid: indeed, very handy
[07:21] <FR500> phoenixp3k, most players use gstreamer as a backend i think
[07:21] <pont> michael_, Sound like fun :)
[07:21] <Feugan> mackid: yes
[07:21] <michael_> pont: and then compile normally
[07:21] <mackid> thanks guys
[07:22] <michael_> pont: but i like packages in case i ever want to remove the file
[07:22] <michael_> pont: i try to stay away from compiling if i can, which is why amarok is perfect for me
[07:22] <Feugan> mackid: if you try it, use the tool run_qtparted
[07:22] <pont> michael_, I completly understand that :)\
[07:22] <njs12345> michael_: try installing into a different prefix
[07:22] <fgx> hello. my thunderbird opens 5 tcp connection for a single imap session. is it the normal imap behavior?
[07:22] <mackid> Feugan, not GNU Parted?
[07:23] <michael_> njs12345: sorry, i'm afraid i don't understand what you mean
[07:23] <icebalm> how do I get ubuntu to not load certain modules on boot?
[07:23] <Feugan> mackid: up to you, i prefer qtparted, its like partition magic
[07:23] <njs12345> michael_: I do ./configure --prefix=/home/njs/.prefix/
[07:23] <njs12345> that way if I mess something up, simply rm -rf ~/.prefix/
[07:23] <phoenixp3k> FR500, do I have to re-install mplayer or the w32codecs ?
[07:23] <michael_> ah... not a bad idea
[07:24] <alterim> crimsun, i love you!!!!!
[07:24] <fser> hello
[07:24] <michael_> njs12345: i'll write that down... thanks for the tip
[07:24] <njs12345> michael_: yeah, it's pretty good
[07:24] <whiskers> alterim, check the preferences of your programs and is the pull from /dev/dsp or esd....if /dev/dsp try kill -9 esd
[07:24] <mackid> Feugan, ah, okay.  Well, I've never used Partition Magic.  I'm a Mac/Linux guy, never had much experience with windows.. i'm just going to install it to play some games on it.  couldn't get wine to work for me
[07:24] <njs12345> I have pretty much a whole CVS GNOME inside ~/.prefix/ :)
[07:24] <pont> michael_, I think xwmusic will be a good option
[07:24] <whiskers> alterim, if they pull
[07:24] <FreezerX> alterim, what did you do to get it work?
[07:25] <Feugan> mackid: try it, it's really easy
[07:25] <mackid> Feugan, okay
[07:26] <GhostFreeman> whoa
[07:26] <phoenixp3k> I have sound delay problems also, can someone help me out
[07:26] <michael_> pont: i agree... i might even make a deb sometime soon. OTOH, is there any way to request a package to be added to the universe repository from the MOTU?
[07:26] <GhostFreeman> that torrent died real fast
[07:26] <alterim> i did pkill esd
[07:26] <mackid> Feugan, i just went to the website of qtparted.. seems it's not being maintained anymore.
[07:26] <alterim> xivds now have sound.. maybe even with totem-xine.... about to try
[07:26] <AilleantSian> may i ask a question ?
[07:26] <whiskers> alterim, ok...glad to hear that
[07:27] <alterim> i have no idea how i killed esd though
[07:27] <alterim> it's odd because i have restarted a load of times since then
[07:27] <alterim> it must have been killed for days.. odd
[07:27] <whiskers> alterim, kill -9 esd.....and to restart esd &
[07:27] <icebalm> anyone know how to prevent ubuntu from loading certain modules at boot time?
[07:27] <JaZy15> can anyone help me, my sound module doesn't load when the machine starts up. however i know it's the via82xx module. so i load 'modprobe snd-via82xx'
[07:27] <alterim> whats this kill -9 esd all about?
[07:27] <JaZy15> but i still don't hear any sound.
[07:28] <phoenixp3k> I get modprobe FATAL ERROR when I boot!
[07:28] <whiskers> alterim, well i have found it useful on occassion
[07:28] <Friczy> JaZy15: check your volume control. alsa is muted by default
[07:28] <GhostFreeman> how do I install mp3 support for amaroK
[07:29] <JaZy15> in X or alsa-mixer
[07:29] <JaZy15> ?
[07:29] <Friczy> JaZy15: as you like:)
[07:29] <alterim> so what is the difference between OSS and ALSA mixers in the volume control prefs
[07:29] <AilleantSian> does ndiswrapper compatable with ubuntu
[07:29] <JaZy15> seems i don't have alsa-mixer
[07:29] <JaZy15> can i apt-get it?
[07:29] <Friczy> JaZy15: yes you can
[07:29] <Fator_Dee> AilleantSian: yes
[07:29] <JaZy15> do you know what the pkg name is
[07:29] <AilleantSian> thankyou
[07:30] <whiskers> alterim, but if you configure your inputs for esd in your applications you don't have to bother killing anything
[07:30] <Friczy> JaZy15: alsa-utils
[07:30] <whiskers> alterim, for example xmms can be configured for alsa, oss, arts,esd /etc
[07:30] <sproingie> are there apt repositories for breezy yet?
[07:30] <alterim> hmm
[07:31] <alterim> but crimsun said it was a different thing altogether
[07:31] <JaZy15> Friczy what's the cmd to run it?
[07:31] <alterim> he said esd was unrelated to oss/alsa etc
[07:31] <Friczy> JaZy15: apt-get install alsa-utils; alsamixer
[07:31] <whiskers> alterim, no crimsun is saying the same thing...but different wording...he knows what he is saying
[07:31] <AilleantSian> do i need the ndiswrapper for debian
[07:32] <JaZy15> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[07:32] <memnips> hey...through synaptic i nabbed a lot of gstreamer plugins / components, but now everything that relies on gstream isnt working.  totem-gstreamer says it's unable ti initialize a gstream object, and the music player also gives a gs error.
[07:32] <whiskers> alterim, esd sits on top of alsa/oss drivers...it is a sound server not a driver....crimsun is right
[07:32] <alterim> oh ok
[07:32] <phoenixp3k> modprobe problem here, anyone know what it is%
[07:33] <alterim> whiskers why doesn't my volume control bar in the menu change the volume of this xvid playing in vlc?
[07:34] <alterim> infact theres a little red x next to it and it won't move
[07:34] <trans_err> does gstreamer support mp4?
[07:34] <whiskers> alterim, well i can't comment on xvid...it is a protected codec here and we are not allowed to use it
[07:34] <trans_err> or rather acc
[07:35] <whiskers> alterim, unfortunately i am in the US where we are screwed
[07:35] <alterim> not allowed?
[07:35] <alterim> since when does that matter!
[07:35] <alterim> i'm in uk don't the same laws apply?
[07:35] <trans_err> i thought XviD was the open one?
[07:35] <whiskers> alterim, since the US became a police state for the large corporations
[07:35] <FreezerX> still one hour to sunset (waiting for playing farcry :-)
[07:35] <oly> hi, is there a way i can clear the keyring passwords or rest it
[07:35] <alterim> xvid is open source
[07:35] <oly> as i have no idea what the password is :p
[07:35] <fissy> open source implementation of a patented codec
[07:35] <alterim> ah ok
[07:36] <JaZy15> if i loaded a module while X was open, should i restart X to have gnome see the snd card in 'device manager'
[07:36] <fissy> theora is about the only free codec
[07:36] <whiskers> alterim, i heard xvid uses the divx codec which i heard was proprietary and based on mpeg
[07:36] <Tomcat_> whiskers: XviD doesn't "use" DivX... both are MPEG-4 codecs, DivX is a commercial one, XviD is a free one.
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> phoenixp3k: which module ?
[07:37] <FreezerX> and xvid is the reverse word of divx :-)
[07:37] <Tomcat_> FreezerX: Indeed! \o/
[07:37] <whiskers> Tomcat_, how can they make a free mpeg codec when mpeg is protected
[07:37] <Tomcat_> whiskers: afaik only the standard is protected... you can still write the code and open that.
[07:37] <astro76> whiskers: patent encumbered would be a better way to describe mpeg
[07:37] <phoenixp3k> da_bon_bon: of that I'm unsure...
[07:38] <memnips> im on a laptop with an intel pentium m 1.5ghz and radeon 9200 vid card, and the comp is having trouble playing dvds and xvid / divx files.  any thoughts?
[07:38] <Tomcat_> whiskers: And that's pretty much what XviD did... so their source code is open, but the standard they build on is still protected.
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> phoenixp3k: whats the exact error msg ?
[07:38] <Tomcat_> memnips: Trouble like jerky playback?
[07:38] <memnips> Tomcat_, yeah.  little jerky, sound is out of sync, etc.
[07:39] <mackid> memnips, enable DMA on your DVD drive.. that fixed me
[07:39] <Tomcat_> memnips: My DVD playback was a little jerky, but it's perfect now... the only thing I remember is rebooting. Nothing else.
[07:39] <memnips> im playing this from my hd, but, how do i do that too?  =)
[07:39] <Tomcat_> memnips: But yeah, DMA might help.
[07:39] <mackid> memnips, sudo hdparm /dev/dvd -d1 (i think)
[07:39] <Coily> whats the simplest method to create an ext3 partition, no os?
[07:39] <JaZy15> is there any walk throughs on soundcard install?
[07:40] <mackid> memnips, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[07:40] <michael_> Coily: download a livecd that has qtparted on it... one great tool that has a lot of partitioning software on it is the Ultimate Boot CD
[07:40] <phoenixp3k> modprobe: FATAL: error inserting shpchp (/lib/modules.2.6.8.1-3-386/rs/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko) Operation not permitted modprobe: FATAL: error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules.2.6.8.1-3-386/rs/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko) Operation not permitted
[07:40] <mackid> i had it mixed up :-P
[07:40] <michael_> Coily: www.ultimatebootcd.com i think
[07:40] <phoenixp3k> I think I found some info on the wikipage... sorry for bothering
[07:41] <mackid> Coily, I would suggest a more linuxfriendly one that a couple other people recommended to me a bit ago.. http://www.sysresccd.org/
[07:41] <phoenixp3k> But I still got audio and video problems, I tought this might be the bugger
[07:41] <whiskers> Tomcat_, well it is a very confusing issue to me
[07:41] <JaZy15> can you gimmie the link phoenixp3k to the wiki
[07:42] <Coily> so ill have to not be using my main partition while creating another?
[07:42] <kenalex> hello guys
[07:42] <Coily> why cant i just use qtparted from ubuntu?
[07:42] <michael_> Coily: because the hard drive you want to partion is mounted.... you could cause huge filesystem errors
[07:42] <wirwzd> Hello all
[07:43] <nullgambit> how do i adjust startup applications?
[07:43] <astro76> Coily: you can if you're not affecting mounted partitions
[07:43] <michael_> nullgambit: i.e. which ones?
[07:43] <Coily> err
[07:43] <nullgambit> i don't want email server
[07:43] <phoenixp3k> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#booterrors
[07:43] <memnips> so any thoughts on improving my xvid / divx playback?  jerky, out of sync, etc.
[07:43] <nullgambit> nor ntp
[07:43] <Coily> you seem to be saying the opposite things
[07:44] <grahamoz> hey how do i get my SB live 24bit working in ubuntu or kbuntu ?
[07:44] <SeeRSea> by email server do you mean "send mail"?
[07:44] <nullgambit> yes
[07:44] <astro76> Coily: it doesn't matter if there's other mounted partitions on the drive if you're not touching them
[07:44] <Choubaka> memnips: what player are you using?
[07:44] <nautica> hello
[07:44] <SeeRSea> sendmail is good to get rid of
[07:44] <memnips> Choubaka, totem-gstreamer
[07:44] <Choubaka> hm
[07:44] <Choubaka> I'd recommend totem-xine ;p
[07:44] <Coily> astro76, michael_  said that as long as the hd is in use bad things could happen ???
[07:44] <SeeRSea> I'm going to have to do that myself when I configure my firewall
[07:44] <Choubaka> but anyway...
[07:44] <michael_> nullgambit: take a look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto
[07:44] <memnips> what is the difference exactly?
[07:44] <kenalex> i am new to this distribution of linux
[07:44] <michael_> Coily: nah, just the partition
[07:45] <phoenixp3k> w32codecs won't work, how can I fix this anyone?
[07:45] <Coily> but lets nevermind mind that for the moment, once i get qtparted up and running what should i use (ive got the gui open now)
[07:45] <Choubaka> phoenixp3k: install totem-xine
[07:45] <michael_> Coily: but to be safe don't have ubuntu running, use a livecd
[07:45] <steveO_Laptop> were is grub /?
[07:45] <Choubaka> it seems to be gstreamer can't use w32codecs :|
[07:45] <kenalex> does it have a lot of multimedia tools
[07:45] <whiskers> Choubaka, well it may not have been compiled for them
[07:46] <Coily> ill play it safe. but qtparted confuses me a bit, and i dont want to break anything... how would i go about creating a new partition
[07:46] <whiskers> Choubaka, when you compile apps there are many options you can select to compile in or not
[07:46] <Choubaka> yeah.
[07:46] <Choubaka> but maybe he just shouls install totem-xine and be done with it .)
[07:47] <michael_> Coily: find empty space on the diagram, right click, and create a new partition
[07:47] <whiskers> Choubaka, well it is none of my business
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> when are the shipit cds burning ?
[07:47] <michael_> Coily: delete/resize a partition to make room if needed
[07:47] <michael_> kenalex: what tools were you looking for?
[07:47] <sighnal>   mplayer-586: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[07:47] <sighnal>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[07:47] <sighnal> E: Broken packages
[07:47] <sighnal> where can i find newer packages?
[07:48] <GNu_Joe> How do I get Skype to work with Ubuntu v5.0.4 (stuck in connecting)
[07:48] <Coily> michael_, thanks. i noticed there are some .03mb free partitions as well as the main block of free space, any idea what they are?
[07:48] <wirwzd> Is there a way to to stop apt-get upgrade from trying to reinstall the same version of an  package I rebuilt from source?
[07:48] <michael_> nope.... possibly manufacturer rescue partioins that are safe to remove
[07:48] <michael_> or are they just empty spcae
[07:48] <Choubaka> wirwzd: man apt_preferences
[07:48] <h> ,
[07:48] <chillywilly> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
[07:48] <chillywilly> did you guys read that?
[07:49] <wirwzd> Choubaka: thanks much
[07:49] <Coily> well i just noticed that the main free space partition has "create" blurred out
[07:49] <michael_> chillywilly: thanks, that was an interesting read
[07:50] <michael_> Coily: is there a partition present there or not?
[07:50] <GNu_Joe> How do I get Skype to work with Ubuntu v5.0.4? (stuck in connecting) I think it's not allowing the connection
[07:50] <Coily> oh wait nevermind i have to create a new partition under an extended
[07:50] <vpalle> no w32codec package in hoary?
[07:50] <hackeron> how do I add selected files in Nautilus to Rhythmbox?
[07:51] <phoenixp3k> Choubaka synaptic can't get all the files
[07:51] <whiskers> sighnal, that is the problem known as dependency hell....about all you can do is to go compile the apps with your newest libraries and hope they work
[07:51] <cybo-mobile> FreezerX, blackdown failed, I am running ubuntu64.  I need a amd64 howto.  Anyideas?  I think my firefox is 64bit
[07:51] <memnips> any tweaks i can do to improve my little 4200rpm hd performance?  its always  slow, but seems slower in ubuntu.
[07:51] <Choubaka> phoenixp3k: That sounds bad.
[07:51] <sighnal> whiskers: ok. totem dont play my divx movies. (and i installed w32codecs)
[07:52] <cybo-mobile> I picked ubuntu64 becuse I don't have the time to figure out 32chroot and 64chroot, I just need it to work.
[07:52] <michael_> memnips: there's a howto on the hoary forums... possibly damaging to your hard drive, but might help out
[07:52] <cybo-mobile> so far I am impressed overall with ubuntu.
[07:52] <memnips> lol thanks
[07:52] <carthik> vpalle, not pre-installed
[07:52] <whiskers> sighnal, you don't need w32codecs for divx....you need the highly compressive mpeg-4...divx codec
[07:52] <phoenixp3k> Choubaka, I get 403 Forbiden
[07:52] <cybo-mobile> Nothing I cant get sid to do, but much eaiser
[07:52] <michael_> memnips: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24416
[07:52] <memnips> me too.  i installed every other distro known to man on my laptop, and this is the first one that could actually work as a true desktop replacement for windows.
[07:52] <vpalle> carthik, cant find it in my repositories..
[07:52] <ciocanel> vpalle, it's on marillat's repository
[07:53] <whiskers> sighnal, but i stay out of this kind of stuff
[07:53] <nullgambit> how do i make my laptop fan quieter?
[07:53] <nullgambit> i have ibm t42
[07:53] <carthik> vpalle, have you added Universe and Multiverse to the repos?
[07:53] <Choubaka> Ubuntu is the best distro I've ever used.
[07:53] <SeeRSea> replace the fan
[07:53] <michael_> vpalle: look at http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:53] <sighnal> whiskers: and where can i find it? ;)
[07:53] <cybo-mobile> execpt for java/sdk for 64 and I have yet to get flgx working.
[07:53] <Choubaka> Though I've only ever used Mandrake, Red Hat and Debian :p
[07:53] <carthik> vpalle, you can do so by editing /etc/apt/sources.list or using synaptic...
[07:53] <nullgambit> will cpufreqd do a better job than powernowd?
[07:53] <michael_> nullgambit: poke around on the ubuntu forums on how to enable power management
[07:53] <xmux> Hi there, does anybody know what I need to do to configure a kernel with the exact same configuration as the default?
[07:53] <michael_> depends on the support
[07:54] <cybo-mobile> if I was using 32 bit, I can get a duplicate of ubuntu from bare metal in about 1 hour.
[07:54] <Choubaka> vpalle: w32codecs are in multiverse.
[07:54] <xmux> s/configure/compile
[07:54] <whiskers> sighnal, well i hear there is a free version at www.divx.com
[07:54] <vpalle> Choubaka, also in hoary?
[07:54] <Choubaka> yes.
[07:54] <whiskers> sighnal, but i don't get into that
[07:54] <Choubaka> w32codecs includes the divx codec :|
[07:55] <michael_> Choubaka: i've used suse, yoper, fedora, mandrake, and vanilla debian and I still think ubuntu's the best :)
[07:55] <Choubaka> ubuntu's default totem just can't use w32codecs
[07:55] <nullgambit> does w32codecs include support for wmv?
[07:55] <Choubaka> yes.
[07:55] <sighnal> Choubaka: hm.
[07:55] <GNu_Joe> How do you allow port connections in Ubuntu?
[07:55] <cybo-mobile> I do think that ubuntu is the average user ansewer for linux, install it and work.
[07:55] <Choubaka> sighnal: try apt-get install totem-xine
[07:56] <cybo-mobile> But who is working on the 64 bit stuff and where can I read about it?
[07:56] <michael_> there's a lot on the forums
[07:56] <SeeRSea> cybo- average users are lost and stupid.  They'd still be lost with Ubuntu.  Ubuntu is getting there.
[07:56] <sighnal> Choubaka: ok. :)
[07:56] <Choubaka> SeeRSea: The average user is lost with any operating system
[07:56] <Choubaka> even windows.
[07:56] <SeeRSea> True.  :)
[07:56] <michael_> SeeRSea: i agree... Ubuntu's strengths lie in hardware detection and "it works" functionality
[07:56] <SeeRSea> I deal with it everyday
[07:56] <Choubaka> In fact, I think Linux is more useable than windows :)
[07:57] <groo> i've been looking for java advanced imaging in the ports collection, can't find it.  is it even available?
[07:57] <GNu_Joe> I can't get Ubuntu to work
[07:57] <Pluk> hiya all
[07:57] <cybo-mobile> But what about 64 bit, the wave of the future?
[07:57] <akrame> what is better ? kde or gnome ?
[07:57] <SeeRSea> I'll be waiting awhile until upgrading to 64
[07:57] <michael_> akrame: personal preference
[07:57] <cybo-mobile> I mean it is over one year old, and nobody knows how to get java working with it?
[07:57] <michael_> akrame: try them both out
[07:57] <SeeRSea> 32 isn't about to die out yet
[07:57] <Choubaka> XFCE4 should become part of main! :(
[07:57] <akrame> ok
[07:57] <akrame> TY
[07:58] <cybo-mobile> SeeRSea, you can still use 286's also
[07:58] <sighnal> and i dont find where i can modify the "applications" menu
[07:58] <sighnal> %)
[07:58] <groo> cybo-mobile, what do you mean?
[07:58] <Choubaka> sighnal: you can't -_-
[07:58] <Coily> in order to create a logical partition under an extended partition will i have to resize the extended partition first?
[07:58] <michael_> sighnal: GNOME 2.10 lost that functionality
[07:58] <sighnal> lol?
[07:58] <sighnal> ok. it sucks
[07:58] <sighnal> ;)=
[07:58] <cybo-mobile> I have found nothing to tell me how to install sdk and get firefox to work with java apps
[07:58] <michael_> sighnal: thankfully, someone wrote a menu-editor
[07:58] <Choubaka> it'll be in sometime.
[07:58] <SeeRSea> Who uses a 286?  :)
[07:58] <michael_> sighnal: it's on the forums
[07:58] <Coily> cybo-mobile, ubuntuguide.org
[07:58] <cybo-mobile> SeeRSea, my point exactly
[07:58] <Coily> anyone?
[07:58] <Choubaka> this channel is overactivr :|
[07:58] <per02> sighnal: you can try menu-editor... look it up on synaptic
[07:58] <fissy> who uses anything less than a 686
[07:58] <michael_> Coily: yes
[07:59] <Coily> michael_, thanks again
[07:59] <icebalm> sighnal: the previous menu editing with applications:/// was severely bugged
[07:59] <michael_> Coily: the extended partition is an "umbrella" for logical partitions
[07:59] <sighnal> ok.
[07:59] <Coily> gotcha
[07:59] <sighnal> ;)
[07:59] <FreezerX> cybo-mobile, did you try the second method to get java running on your system?
[07:59] <SeeRSea> Cybo- 32 bit is here for awhile
[07:59] <groo> cybo-mobile, i have 1.5 working
[07:59] <groo> its in the ports collection
[07:59] <Choubaka> I take everyone here knows about haih? :p
[07:59] <cybo-mobile> Coily, that does not work for 64 bit, I have tried and followed theinstructions for blackdown
[07:59] <FreezerX> I would always use the original java from SUN
[07:59] <Coily> now since youre already here, how would you describe a primary partition in laman's terms
[07:59] <Coily> layman
[07:59] <michael_> cybo-mobile: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=60
[08:00] <FreezerX> My Eclipse always crashed with that blackdown stuff
[08:00] <michael_> Coily: the primary partition is the bootable partition
[08:00] <Choubaka> So hmm.
[08:00] <cybo-mobile> fwiw, I did use google:  java ubuntu
[08:00] <Coily> cybo-mobile, sorry bub im out of ideas
[08:00] <AnguS> hello!
[08:00] <cybo-mobile> FreezerX I will try that
[08:00] <Choubaka> what do the ubuntu devs have planned for the next release? :)
[08:01] <cybo-mobile> groo, ports collection, you running bsd?
[08:01] <GNu_Joe> can anyone help me with a simple ubuntu question?
[08:01] <Choubaka> shoot.
[08:01] <AnguS> i have tried to mount my winxp partition in ubuntu, but so far only root can read it... what is missing from this line? /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    ro,user         0       0
[08:01] <astro76> Coily: I wouldn't say that, any partition can be bootable (except to windows perhaps), IDE limited to 4 partitions
[08:01] <gfxstyler> hey there
[08:01] <gfxstyler> clear
[08:01] <groo> cybo-mobile, heh actually i am a freebsd man, that's what i'm used to calling it. sry.
[08:01] <Choubaka> AnguS: hmm.
[08:02] <GNu_Joe> trying to get Skype working but it just gives me "connecting"
[08:02] <michael_> astro76: better explanation :)
[08:02] <Choubaka> umask=something
[08:02] <cybo-mobile> :) groo
[08:02] <xmux> What package is the kernel source for hoary in?
[08:02] <Choubaka> man umask
[08:02] <astro76> Coily: an extended partition is used to bypass that restriction
[08:02] <AnguS> Choubaka: thanks, i remember now ;)
[08:02] <fissy> AnguS, /dev/hda1   /mnt/winxp   ntfs   ro,user,umask=000   0   0
[08:02] <cybo-mobile> groo, you got ubuntu64?
[08:02] <Choubaka> xmux: linux-image
[08:02] <GNu_Joe> how do I allow/enable the ports that it needs?
[08:02] <gfxstyler> anyone got logitech eyetoy or logitech quickcam messenger to work with ubuntu hoary?
[08:02] <Choubaka> xmux: search for that.
[08:03] <Coily> astro76, i see
[08:03] <xmux> Choubaka: ok but I don't see the source as a separate package
[08:03] <cybo-mobile> fwiw, the cpu freq scaling is pretty cool, I can run my laptop for about 2:45, I could only get 1 hour in pure64 sid
[08:03] <nullgambit> how come i don't have "computer" on my desktop?
[08:03] <Choubaka> xmux: ah
[08:03] <Coily> astro76, because i dont have any os on my primary partition and i was like 'wtf'
[08:03] <Choubaka> linux-source
[08:03] <michael_> xmux: you can get the headers
[08:03] <nullgambit> i don't have any desktop icons...
[08:03] <Choubaka> or linux-headers :)
[08:03] <michael_> :)
[08:03] <chaotic_linux> dose anyone know a site 4 me to download windows xp
[08:03] <carthik> nullgambit, that is the default behaviou
[08:04] <cybo-mobile> yes, compusa.com
[08:04] <astro76> Coily: when you're dealing with linux, for all intents and purposes primary and logical is the same
[08:04] <cybo-mobile> or bestbuy.com
[08:04] <carthik> nullgambit, you can add icons if you so desire
[08:04] <michael_> cybo-mobile nice ;)
[08:04] <Choubaka> chaotic_linux: That's a funky question to ask here. :)
[08:04] <nullgambit> how?
[08:04] <michael_> nullgambit... which ones do you need?
[08:04] <xmux> ok thanks, linux-source seems to work
[08:04] <carthik> nullgambit, right click on desktop and "create launcher"
[08:04] <chaotic_linux> what do u mean
[08:04] <cybo-mobile> chaotic_linux, opensource does not mean steal
[08:04] <chaotic_linux> im not talking a bout steelin
[08:05] <GNu_Joe> Can anyone help me with a simple ubuntu question?
[08:05] <cybo-mobile> windows is a system you must pay for
[08:05] <Choubaka> GNu_Joe: shoot. :p
[08:05] <michael_> chaotic... what else could you mean?
[08:05] <chaotic_linux> im talkin buying
[08:05] <SeeRSea> warez
[08:05] <michael_> you can only buy boxed versions
[08:05] <Choubaka> Why do you want Windows XP anyway? :p
[08:05] <michael_> no download versions
[08:05] <cybo-mobile> www.compusa.com chaotic_linux at least in the usa
[08:05] <FreezerX> and windows is a system you can play with
[08:05] <Choubaka> And why did you come to this channel to ask for it?
[08:05] <michael_> good question
[08:05] <FreezerX> I am using it just for playing
[08:05] <chaotic_linux> i want windows so i can play my games
[08:06] <FreezerX> the name of my windows system is wintendo
[08:06] <gfxstyler> chaotic_linux: wine & cedega?
[08:06] <Choubaka> Aha
[08:06] <michael_> well you could try cedega.... that's downloadable
[08:06] <cybo-mobile> anybod know where I can get gentoo from, I hear it is much better then this distro?
[08:06] <Choubaka> I'm completely windows free.
[08:06] <chaotic_linux> i lost my recovery disks
[08:06] <cikilin_> hello
[08:06] <michael_> cybo.... why's that>
[08:06] <Choubaka> chaotic_linux: plus cheaper than Windows.
[08:06] <gfxstyler> cybo-mobile: bullshit
[08:06] <cybo-mobile> michael_, sarcasim
[08:06] <Choubaka> cedega costs only $15 .)
[08:06] <cybo-mobile> gfxstyler, sarcasim
[08:06] <michael_> cybo-mobile: i had gentoo for amd64... was good but not that good
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: nothing if compiled from source, which is quite easy IMO
[08:07] <chaotic_linux> i know but all my games run on windows
[08:07] <cikilin_> question:i wnat to use a dc hub what i need to ps:i am a beginer in linux
[08:07] <michael_> cybo- do the research on the ubuntu forums
[08:07] <AnguS> i'm unable to unmount my ntfs volume, even umount -f doesn't work :( it says the device/resource is busy... what can i do?
[08:07] <cybo-mobile> lol chaotic_linux change games?
[08:07] <fissy> cikilin_, verlihub
[08:07] <cybo-mobile> michael_, I will
[08:07] <chaotic_linux> no i love diablo
[08:07] <fissy> cikilin_, www.verlihub.net
[08:07] <michael_> chaotic.... windows games can't run in linux unless you use cedega
[08:07] <chaotic_linux> ?
[08:07] <michael_> chaotic... why do you want to run linux?
[08:08] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: the cvs version just sucks
[08:08] <cybo-mobile> chaotic_linux, seriously, pick your os according to the apps you have to have, if it is games and they only run on windows, then......
[08:08] <FreezerX> Choubaka, Linux purists are so busy with the system itselft that they dont have time to play. Therefor there is no claim for it
[08:08] <Choubaka> It doesn't work :)
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: why ?
[08:08] <chaotic_linux> listen
[08:08] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: cedega has a lot more features.
[08:08] <michael_> we are :D
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: like ?
[08:08] <oly> argh, please is there any way to reset gnome-keyring there seems to be nothing on the net,
[08:08] <chaotic_linux> 1st i got windows then my freinds r bragin about lunix so i got it
[08:09] <FreezerX> theresa?
[08:09] <gfxstyler> da_bon_bon: better directx support i guess
[08:09] <oly> surely i aint screwed, just cuz i forgot or miss typed a password
[08:09] <chaotic_linux> 2ed my other friend stole my windows cds
[08:09] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: copy protection support, support for installshield installers, better directx support....
[08:09] <usual> I personally run linux for the chicks
[08:09] <theresa> FreezerX, yes?
[08:09] <chaotic_linux> 3rd he moved
[08:09] <cikilin_> fissy i have 27 th hubs on my network and i cant use them because i dont know to get there
[08:09] <michael_> chaotic: if you want to play games, either learn to use cedega or run windows
[08:09] <oly> its stores passwords, so you only need one
[08:09] <cybo-mobile> usual, you to!?
[08:09] <oly> but i dont know twhat the main one is
[08:09] <michael_> chaotic_linux: linux for "the heck of it" isn't a reason
[08:09] <cybo-mobile> chaotic_linux, seriously, pick your os according to the apps you have to have, if it is games and they only run on windows, then......
[08:09] <AnguS> i'm an idiot :)
[08:09] <oly> i can reenter them, but i need to clear it first
[08:09] <fissy> cikilin_, do you want to run the dc hub or connect to it?
[08:09] <SeeRSea> lol usual
[08:10] <cikilin_> can you show me in privat?
[08:10] <chaotic_linux> micheal i wanted to be a programer when i grow up
[08:10] <cikilin_> fissy
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: wine was much better than cedega when i tried playing CS on it, and it supports installshield too.
[08:10] <usual> I get so much @^#$ because of Ubuntu
[08:10] <xmux> Linux "for the heck of it" is the best reason of all :-)
[08:10] <DocKane> usual: what does linux make attractive for chicks =)
[08:10] <theresa> I have a little problem with my ubuntu installation. My network card doesn't start correct at startup. I have to disable it and reenable it to get it working (in the network card manager). can someone help me?
[08:10] <SeeRSea> "Linux did it for the chicks"  <---bumpersticker
[08:10] <michael_> chaotic: i'd reccommend learning within windows if thats what you know
[08:10] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: cedega runs a lot more games than wine
[08:10] <cybo-mobile> DocKane, high geek points
[08:10] <SeeRSea> Linus*
[08:10] <michael_> using linux will not teach you how to program
[08:11] <michael_> my advice? takea language, like java or C++ and learn it
[08:11] <usual> DocKane, they love intelligent men, and you have to be at least somewhat ....intelligent to run linux. well...there is gentoo...but..nm
[08:11] <^thehatsrule^> script, possibly
[08:11] <michael_> then use linux
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: right. for a die hard gamer, i'd recomend www.torrentspy.com :P
[08:11] <gfxstyler> LOL
[08:11] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: :p
[08:11] <cybo-mobile> http://hackersplayground.org/humor/linuxchicks/
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: or www.microsoft.com/store
[08:11] <Choubaka> I'm not a die hard gamer.
[08:11] <chaotic_linux> i know that but my friend has linux and runs all his things on it
[08:11] <Choubaka> I don't even have cedega :p
[08:11] <wulfy814> ok, so I'm loving Hoary ! :-), got my twinview issues resolved - mounted my remote samba shares - life is good
[08:11] <chaotic_linux> what is cedega
[08:11] <LinuxJones> theresa, sudo network-admin you can set it to boot automatically under properties for your network card
[08:11] <whiskers> chaotic_linux, what a question...you want to download windows for free.....this is not the place to ask that
[08:12] <wulfy814> except that when I browse the file system with nautilus it opens a new windows and closes the old one
[08:12] <DocKane> usual: so mac os it totally wrong to impressive with your iq ? :P
[08:12] <michael_> chaotic: you'll need to learn how to use it before you can run your apps on it.... if you really want to learn
[08:12] <wulfy814> shouldn't it just reuse the existing one?
[08:12] <wulfy814> this is annoying because the windows pop up different sizes
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> chaotic_linux: www.google.com/search_query=cedega
[08:12] <wulfy814> than the original
[08:12] <cybo-mobile> I had a coworker ask me if my "contacts" (irc) can find a free 64 bit unix server for hp
[08:12] <usual> DocKane, eh?
[08:12] <michael_> chaotic: try using it without games and learn how linux works, then move on to getting the games to work
[08:12] <chaotic_linux> whiskers all this time ive been saying i want to buy it not steal
[08:12] <usual> haha
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> anyway, bye, talk to u guys later
[08:13] <whiskers> chaotic_linux, well then...don't download it...just call Microsoft and order it
[08:13] <cybo-mobile> I had to explain open sources =not stealing
[08:13] <michael_> you can run windows side-by-side with linux
[08:13] <oly> wulfy814 look in nautilus prefs there an option there to change behavior
[08:13] <cybo-mobile> stupid MCSE
[08:13] <whiskers> chaotic_linux, they have some billing plan to take your money
[08:13] <michael_> go buy windows, install it, then install linux
[08:13] <slask3n> my synaptic is f*cked!! :s i cant refresh.. i get an error where the repositories has delivered an 111  connection refused :S what is wrong?
[08:13] <michael_> then you can run either windows or linux at boot
[08:13] <chaotic_linux> i did im under 18 and my parents wont sign 4 it
[08:13] <theresa> LinuxJones, this is what I did, but after I reboot it "starts" the networkcard, but I cannot even ping a computer in my local network. I have to disable the card with that tool and reenable it. only then it works. :-/
[08:13] <michael_> then go earn some money, walk to the store, and buy the boxed version
[08:14] <LinuxJones> theresa, do you know what network card driver your using ?
[08:14] <michael_> i believe MS even offers educational discounts
[08:14] <cybo-mobile> Thanks everybody, I will reasearch my java issue, got to go.
[08:14] <michael_> best of luck cybo-mobiloe
[08:14] <FreezerX> cu
[08:14] <fallstorm> There's always ebay.
[08:14] <DocKane> usual, mac os is the easiest operating system out there if you only want to work. in you words mac os is absolutely the wrong choice to impressive chicks or what ?
[08:14] <chaotic_linux> i have $387 and my parents wont bring me to the store
[08:14] <hybrid-> hello all
[08:14] <michael_> chaotic_linux: then either learn to use linux or ask one of your friends to help
[08:15] <roo9> is there a virtual package similar to build-depends? that i can use to install everything required to build packages?
[08:15] <gfxstyler> chaotic_linux: if u have so much money why dont take the bus ? :)
[08:15] <michael_> out of sheer curiosity, what grade are you in?
[08:15] <xmux> chaotic_linux: you should spend that on hookers and cocaine then install linux and/or download windows from bittorrent
[08:15] <Zugot> what package is dch in?   the dch that allows you to modify debian/changelog
[08:15] <roo9> i installed GCC but i still don't have basic requirements like ld
[08:15] <chaotic_linux> 7th grade
[08:15] <wulfy814> oly: so telling it to always open in browser window solves it I guess
[08:15] <EddieX> roo9, have you installed build-essential ?
[08:15] <moquist> anybody else here run several Ubuntu boxes and have a common NFS-mounted /var/cache/apt/archives?  or does anybody have a better idea about how to minimize external bandwidth usage in a similar way?
[08:15] <wulfy814> but does it really accomplish it
[08:15] <roo9> eddieX; that's what i wanted, tahnks
[08:15] <wulfy814> I don't need "file browser view"
[08:15] <michael_> i'd wait a few years to use linux.... for now get a freind to help get windows
[08:15] <theresa> LinuxJones, sundance
[08:15] <EddieX> roo9, :)
[08:16] <whiskers> xmux, that is not advice to give a young child
[08:16] <xmux> s/hookers/comicbooks s/cocaine/candy
[08:16] <chaotic_linux> fine fine l8r
[08:16] <hybrid-> anyone using Mac on Linux?
[08:16] <michael_> np, good luck
[08:16] <Zugot> moquist: i just rsync /var/cache/apt/archives between my boxes
[08:16] <oly> wulfy814, yes i think thats the option
[08:16] <eXhumed> Hi. I have a centrino laptop, and I installed ubuntu 5.04 on it. My wireless network interface was detected as eth1, but i can't connect to my wireless network, cause "iwlist eth1 scan" shows no avaliable networks. When i boot my laptop with windows, it connects fine. It looks all normal, except when I try to change the channel of eth1, it says "Operation not supported"
[08:16] <moquist> Zugot: via cron, or manually?
[08:16] <michael_> hybrid- pearpc is the way to go
[08:16] <oly> i am using the spatial browsing it has grown on me :)
[08:16] <Zugot> moquist: manually
[08:16] <oly> at least now it closes the old windows
[08:16] <Bazzi> eXhumed what laptop model?
[08:16] <AnguS> hmmm the built-in "totem movie player" doesn't seen to support divx... can you suggest me a nice video player for ubuntu?
[08:16] <xmux> whiskers: spending your money on Microsoft windows is even worse advice to give a young child
[08:17] <hybrid-> micheal_ : yea but mol doesnt do proccessor emulation
[08:17] <whiskers> xmux, well maybe so...it is a very confusing issue to me
[08:17] <michael_> exhumed: hoary had some problems with centrino
[08:17] <gfxstyler> eXhumed: wlan as eth1 ? shouldnt it be wlan0 or something like that? check with "iwconfig"
[08:17] <moquist> zyga: what I r[ua] n into is locking issues - as in, there is no locking.  so I just tried to get the 686 kernel for two machines at once, and they totally trashed the .deb file, of course.  (I just wasn't thinking.)
[08:17] <Mestapheles> hi, anyone here on a ibook or pb?
[08:17] <michael_> exhumed: i got it to workl
[08:17] <eXhumed> it's eth1, yes
[08:17] <michael_> eXHumed: try opening a root terminal
[08:17] <LinuxJones> theresa, ok add sundance to /etc/modules and it should hopefully solve your problem
[08:17] <no0tic> I all
[08:17] <hybrid-> Mestapheles: i do
[08:17] <eXhumed> michael_, it's open :P what about now ?
[08:18] <theresa> LinuxJones, thx. I'll try that. If I rejoin in a few minutes it didn't help ;-)
[08:18] <michael_> exhumed: do you have an 2200bg or 1100?
[08:18] <hybrid-> Mestapheles: i have a ibook
[08:18] <LinuxJones> theresa, ok
[08:18] <Mestapheles> hi, I just installed gtkpbbuttons and pbbuttonsd.  I pass gtkpbbuttons and I get no gui.
[08:18] <michael_> eXHumed: it makes a difference
[08:18] <eXhumed> michael_, "ipw2100" this is what you mean ?
[08:18] <michael_> yup
[08:18] <slask3n> i cant refresh my synaptic repositories... i get an error where the repositories has delivered an 111  connection refused :S what is wrong?
[08:19] <mackid> so i'm booted from systemrescuecd, and I wanted to shrink my root
[08:19] <mackid>           partition.. so i'm in qtparted, and it won't let me shrink it.. why
[08:19] <michael_> eXHumed: type (no quotes) "rmmod ipw2100" then "modprobe ipw2100"
[08:19] <mackid>           is this?  it's ext3.  any ideas?
[08:19] <michael_> eXHumed: then "dhclient eth1"
[08:19] <hybrid-> Mestapheles: the last time i had gui problems apt-get -f install worked
[08:19] <michael_> see if that works
[08:19] <hybrid-> miracles^
[08:19] <Mestapheles> how do I access the front?  Just to see if it was an issue with my ibook I instaalled the two programs onto my iMac and stil no go
[08:19] <roo9> i'm trying to compile nrpe, i get this, "undefined reference to `get_dh512'", am i missing some libraries?
[08:19] <eXhumed> michael_, done
[08:19] <Mestapheles> so just reinstall it  with -f ?
[08:19] <michael_> eXHumed: any good?
[08:19] <eXhumed> michael_, not working yet :(
[08:19] <eXhumed> no
[08:20] <Mestapheles> apt-get didn't give me errors or warning when I installed those
[08:20] <eXhumed> i think it's weird because the channel is set to 0
[08:20] <eXhumed> but 0 isn't a valid channel
[08:20] <hybrid-> Mestapheles : i believe
[08:20] <eXhumed> and i can't change it
[08:20] <eXhumed> "operation not supported"
[08:20] <hybrid-> not 100% tho
[08:20] <michael_> eXHumed: i'm out of ideas.... try ubuntuforums.com and do some research
[08:20] <Mestapheles> but do I have it right, running gtkpbbuttons in term should evoke the front?
[08:20] <michael_> eXHumed: there's a laptop subsection of Hoary Hardware help
[08:21] <theresa> LinuxJones, works like a charm! many thanks!!
[08:21] <qkslvrwolf> does vfat support changing ownership/group, etc?
[08:21] <michael_> eXHumed: they have a lot of info there
[08:21] <whiskers> but telling children about hookers, cocaine, etc...sounds like an advertisement for the extremely popular game Grand Theft Auto 4
[08:21] <hybrid-> Mestapheles : i believe
[08:21] <LinuxJones> theresa, great :)
[08:21] <xmux> That's a good game!
[08:22] <whiskers> xmux, i thought you might say that....what about the dead nun hanging in Duke Nukem
[08:22] <Mestapheles> ahh, yes I smell a problem that might be hard to solve.  Those under neath one's noise
[08:22] <Mestapheles> nose
[08:22] <Bicchi> can i use synaptic to install java sdk and java jre?
[08:23] <xmux> whiskers: have you even tried the GTA series games?  They're like the most addicting games ever
[08:23] <michael_> Bicchi: nope.. take a look at ubuntuguide.com
[08:23] <Mestapheles> It's too bad there is just pbbuttonsd right now pmud having ceased dev
[08:23] <whiskers> xmux, uh...no i only have an original nintendo with about 20 games....i quit after that....but i can see screenshots of stuff
[08:24] <xmux> whiskers: Anyways, my comment was an ironic joke (I didn't know he was like 13 years old), I thought my advice was less harmful than what other people were telling him to do (buy windows)
[08:24] <qkslvrwolf> does vfat support linux filepermissions?
[08:25] <michael_> xmux: i'd prefer he use windows than use ubuntu and then claim "linux is stupid" becuase he can't use it
[08:25] <whiskers> xmux, well perhaps you are right ...there certainly is a debate about this...so maybe i should have not advised him either
[08:25] <mjg59> qkslvrwolf: No
[08:25] <qkslvrwolf> ah, thats why it won't let me change ownership, then
[08:25] <qkslvrwolf> are there any filesystems that will read fat32 that will?
[08:25] <qkslvrwolf> or anyway I can write to a fat32 drive without having to be root?
[08:26] <michael_> qkslvrwolf: absolutely
[08:26] <michael_> qkslvrwolf: look on ubuntuguide.com
[08:26] <kzm> Hi,
[08:26] <gumpish> lol
[08:26] <guerby> michael_, hi again, install went fine, how do I activate incoming ssh?
[08:27] <gumpish> >> malte` has quit IRC ("IRC is just multiplayer notepad.")
[08:27] <kzm> I downloaded the 2.6.12-rc2 patch -- but it's been a while.  Anybody know the magic command line invocation to apply it?
[08:27] <michael_> guerby: glad to hear it... sadly i have no ssh experience :(
[08:27] <toffy> hi I well mount my windows part. but when I mount it I cant find files that aint in english. like Iam in norway and need some options
[08:27] <michael_> guerby: look on the ubuntu forums
[08:27] <qkslvrwolf> hows about I try looking on ubuntuguide.org?  ;-)
[08:27] <kzm> (And does it apply to pristine 2.6.11, or do I need rc1 first)
[08:27] <guerby> michael_, ok thanks
[08:27] <michael_> qkslvrwolf: lol that'd do it :0
[08:28] <michael_> guerby: sorry i can't help :(
[08:28] <xmux> guerby: if sshd is installed already you probably enable it with '/etc/init.d/sshd start'
[08:28] <guerby> xmux, sshd seems not be running
[08:29] <guerby> xmux, what is the equivalent of "rpm -q ssh"
[08:29] <xmux> I'm a debian package newbie
[08:29] <michael_> guerby, not familiar with rpm
[08:29] <guerby> xmux, me too :)
[08:29] <qkslvrwolf> how does one message someone particular?
[08:29] <michael_> what is rpm -q?
[08:29] <guerby> michael_, how to get the list of packages?
[08:29] <michael_> ah
[08:29] <michael_> lol
[08:29] <qkslvrwolf> michael_, ahhhh...never mind, got it, thats cool.
[08:29] <michael_> go to System->administration-<synaptic
[08:30] <guerby> rpm -q x gives version of package x
[08:30] <michael_> good to know
[08:30] <guerby> rpm -qa lists all packages
[08:30] <qkslvrwolf> michael_, can I use that umask=000 in fstab?
[08:30] <xmux> Yeah, if you use synaptic you can just search for 'ssh'
[08:30] <michael_> ah, man... let me take a look qkslvrwolf
[08:30] <qkslvrwolf> its ok, if you odn't know ottoyh, I'll check man pages
[08:30] <qkslvrwolf> brb
[08:30] <michael_> k
[08:30] <evilstoy> dpkg -l ssh
[08:31] <michael_> qkslvrwolf: i think so
[08:31] <michael_> qkslvrwolf: look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25190&highlight=umask%3D000+fstab
[08:32] <guerby> xmux, openssh-server is not installed by default, installing it...
[08:32] <michael_> guerby: could be part of the problem :)
[08:32] <slask3n> wehy is my synaptic gone crazy and printing "http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release.gpg: Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)" for every repository?? whats wrong?
[08:32] <xukun_> hmm what am I doing wrong here? sudo apt-get install mplayer-386 mplayer-fonts
[08:32] <xukun_>  mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[08:32] <xukun_>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:33] <fissy> slask3n, some thing is wrong with your networking
[08:33] <michael_> xukun_: there's a dependency hell problem with mplayer
[08:33] <KarlosII> mozilla-acroread has a depnedancy issue ppl
[08:33] <michael_> xukun_: either wait for it to be fixed
[08:33] <michael_> xukun_: or compilre youtr own
[08:33] <xukun_> michael_, hmm or?
[08:33] <xmux> slask3n: do you have a proxy configured in System-->Preferences-->Network Proxy?
[08:33] <xukun_> ha
[08:33] <michael_> xukun_: i'd wait for it to be fixed
[08:34] <mainer> xukun:if your comp is i586 or better,try that,worked for me
[08:34] <whiskers> xukun, mplayer needs to be recompiled for the library set in hoary...so i would wait
[08:34] <slask3n> fissy, xmux: i installed anon-proxy and uninstalled it before today, can this be the thing?
[08:34] <whiskers> xukun, unless you want to do it yourself
[08:34] <xmux> xukun: I had the same problem so I just installed 'vlc' instead of mplayer, you should try it, it's awesome
[08:35] <michael_> xmux, i agree
[08:35] <guerby> michael_, ok now incoming ssh work, next question: is there a graphical firewall manager for ubuntu? (or may be there's no software firewall by default)
[08:35] <xmux> slask3n: Yeah, it probably didn't reset the proxy settings
[08:35] <xukun_> xmux, just apt for vlc?
[08:35] <michael_> guerby: not too sure, but there is Firestarter if you like
[08:35] <fissy> slask3n, reset the proxy like xmux told you too, also reset the proxy in synaptic's own configuration
[08:36] <xmux> xukun: Yeah, I think there were some other related packages too
[08:36] <mainer> guerby:install firestarter from repository,it's the easiest gui front-end
[08:36] <naruto> hi i have problem
[08:37] <guerby> mainer, michael_ ok I'm installing firestarter
[08:37] <slask3n> xmux, fissy: how do i do that?
[08:37] <mainer> www.fs-security.com   read the doc's!
[08:37] <fissy> slask3n, which one?
[08:38] <xmux> slask3n: Look in System-->Preferences-->Network Proxy
[08:38] <naruto> jest tu jakis polak?
[08:39] <Unipa1> v
[08:39] <slask3n> xmux, fissy: snaptic says it connect directly to internet
[08:39] <xmux> xukun: I have vlc, vlc-esd, and vlc-plugin-esd
[08:39] <Mestapheles> For any ibook users:  Another thing on pbbuttons.  apt-get suggests apmd but AFAIK apmd is pc not ppc.  Or am I missing something?
[08:39] <stevenj> I know this sounds sad--but all I am trying to do is copy a custom gaim folder from my home to /user/share/pixmaps and I can't do it...can someone please tell me?
[08:39] <fissy> slask3n, in that case you just have to worry about the gnome proxy that xmum said about
[08:39] <slask3n> xmux, fissy: synaptic says it connect directly to internet, so does the network proxy... :s
[08:40] <AstralJava> Grr.... somebody tell me where to look for, my system just jammed, the only response the system seemed to be accepting was mouse movement, but nothing happened when clicking on objects. Also, processor was running 100%. Had to quit by pressing power, so file system was not clean and thus not synced. Any logs likely to have marks of what happened?
[08:40] <michael_> stevenj: open a root terminal and type "nautilus" to have access to anything outside of your home folder
[08:40] <slask3n> xmux, fissy: In Network Proxy: "Direct internet connection"
[08:40] <desnut> como va el madrid -bara?????
[08:41] <xmux> slask3n: Sorry, I'm out of ideas then :-(
[08:41] <fissy> slask3n, how about sudo iptables -L
[08:41] <fissy> in a terminal
[08:41] <stevenj> michael_, thank you...
[08:42] <hunger> How do I change my email address in the ubuntu wiki?
[08:42] <surfbum> how come it's so hard 2 install app in this o/s?
[08:42] <slask3n> xmux, fissy: i think its the http_proxy variable.. cause i think i checked the box in anon-installer
[08:42] <xmux> fissy: I'm sure it's some proxy settings somewhere because it gives an error message that says that it's trying to connect to localhost on port 4001
[08:42] <mainer> astraljava: /var/log/syslog
[08:42] <SeeRSea> sufbum- it's not windows.
[08:42] <slask3n> xmux, fissy: where can i change the http_proxy var?
[08:42] <surfbum> hehe
[08:42] <SeeRSea> Debian is one of the easiest to install with
[08:42] <delrone> So I installed the GCC compiler so I could build ruby for my box, but after installing (using Synaptic), running ./configure still complains that there's no GCC in the $PATH. Anyone lend a hand? :)
[08:42] <fissy> xmux, yeah i was just wondering if iptables was rerouting it back towards port 4001
[08:43] <surfbum> ok i get your point
[08:43] <xmux> slask3n: Yeah, that might be it, is it in your .bashrc or .bash_profile?
[08:43] <stevenj> michael_, however, I still have the problem that I do not have permission to modify /usr/share/pixmaps/gaim folder
[08:43] <RealKillaz> how can I restart mysqld in Ubuntu?
[08:43] <fissy> slask3n, ~/.bashrc
[08:43] <crimsun> RealKillaz: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[08:44] <fissy> slask3n, i said that like i knew its right, I have no idea really
[08:44] <fissy> xmux, damn you beat me
[08:44] <xmux> I'm not sure though, I don't know how the environment gets set up when you launch things from gnome
[08:44] <AilleantSian> does anyone know where i can get drivers to run a belkin 802.11g wireless pcimca card on ubunta or doesnt it support wireless?
[08:44] <humbraro> Anybody here running a Rage128 vid card?
[08:45] <crimsun> AilleantSian: should support it by default, but don't quote me on that - check the wiki
[08:45] <delrone> Anyone lend a land making the GCC compiler accessible from $PATH?
[08:45] <delrone> er, lend a _hand_
[08:45] <AstralJava> mainer: Thanks. Apparently it was something cron started. Sadly there are no more information that might hint on what caused CPU go 100%.
[08:45] <AilleantSian> it hasnt :(
[08:45] <whiskey_1> toffy, you mean they know about ubuntu all the way to Norway...I thought it was just a group of Africans
[08:46] <AilleantSian> and im new to linux all together
[08:46] <hybrid_> is there a linux ctrl alt del?
[08:46] <crimsun> hybrid_: to do what?
[08:46] <hybrid_> crisum: like a shortcut to killall
[08:46] <mainer> astraljava:i tryed the i-686 kernel and it caused my i-586 machine to run 100%,0%idle,re-booted using 2.6.10-i386 and it was normal
[08:46] <stevenj> how do I move /home/gaim to /usr/share/pixmaps ?? thanks
[08:47] <crimsun> hybrid_: there're, ps, pkill, killall... Try Applications>System Tools>System Monitor
[08:47] <hybrid_> ok
[08:47] <stevenj> ./pixmaps/gaim is owned by root and I do not know how to use sudo
[08:47] <crimsun> stevenj: err, why do you want to do that?
[08:47] <fallstorm> hybrid, you might also do a sudo init 5 from the command line
[08:47] <cikilin_> has anybody using dcgui-qt?
[08:47] <fallstorm> That'll kill everything and do a psuedo-restart
[08:47] <mainer> stevenj: sudo su
[08:48] <AstralJava> mainer: Well, this was perfect for man months, it was the first time it jammed this bad. Gotta investigate.
[08:48] <humbraro> hybrid_, check out /etc/inittab - you can set ctrl-alt-delete to anything you want
[08:48] <RealKillaz> oh ok....
[08:48] <stevenj> crimsun, I have custom gaim folder that has better looking icons
[08:48] <crimsun> fallstorm: no, runlevels 2-5 are identical. Dropping to single user and back to runlevel 2 is preferred.
[08:48] <mainer> astraljava: unless it repeats,wouldn't worry too much
[08:48] <SeeRSea> sudo mv /home/gaim* /usr/share/pixmapss
[08:48] <cikilin_> question: has anybody using dcgui-qt?
[08:48] <delrone> Anyone have a moment to help me (or point me to a resource) figure out how to add GCC to $PATH? (just download it with Synaptic)
[08:48] <crimsun> stevenj: I'm pretty sure you can just drop them in your $USER/.gaim
[08:48] <fallstorm> ah, k... still getting over fedora where 3 was multi-user/command prompt and 5 was multi-user/gui
[08:48] <xmux> btw, what's the proper way to edit runlevels on ubuntu?
[08:48] <stevenj> SeeRSea, thanks
[08:48] <crimsun> xmux: "edit runlevels"?
[08:49] <xmux> Is there some tool?
[08:49] <hybrid_> stevenj: do you want to copy it or completely move it
[08:49] <cikilin_> help me please
[08:49] <stevenj> crimsun, did not work...guess it only works for smilies
[08:49] <xmux> Well, all the run levels are identical, so it seems strange to only change the links for level 2
[08:49] <LinuxJones> xmux, there isn't a good way to do it atm in Ubuntu :(
[08:49] <crimsun> alterim: glad to hear it works.
[08:49] <AstralJava> mainer: I just need to see if it really is something cron started, cause it is likely to come back later then.
[08:49] <alterim> can someone tell me how to uncompress .rar files using file roller?
[08:49] <alterim> if it is possible?
[08:49] <crimsun> xmux: that's correct. Use update-rc.d
[08:49] <Bicchi> how do i install the latest ati video card drivers? can i use apt-get to do this.
[08:50] <LinuxJones> alterim, install unrar
[08:50] <synd> ok i downloaded a tar.bz2, how do i install it?
[08:50] <crimsun> xmux: of course you'll find its man page informative
[08:50] <alterim> LinuxJones, fileroller still says file unrecognised
[08:50] <fallstorm> synd, tar -xjvf (file)
[08:50] <cikilin_> anybody using dc++ on linux
[08:50] <LinuxJones> alterim, it must be a bad file
[08:50] <cikilin_> please
[08:50] <humbraro> synd tar.bz2 is a compressed folder
[08:50] <fallstorm> x = extract, j = bzip2 files, v = verbose (not needed, but it's nice), f = file
[08:50] <crimsun> cikilin_: what's the issue?
[08:50] <spacey> cikilin_, i don't think dc++ is avail for linux
[08:50] <spacey> is it?
[08:50] <LinuxJones> alterim, did you restart fileroller ?
[08:50] <alterim> LinuxJones: have you successfully opened .rar in fileroller?
[08:50] <alterim> LinuxJones: yes
[08:51] <xmux> crimsun: awesome thanks, I didn't know that existed.  It doesn't solve my problem exactly but it's still really good to know
[08:51] <LinuxJones> alterim, yeah
[08:51] <cikilin_> dcgui-qt
[08:51] <alterim> LinuxJones: hmm
[08:51] <synd> humbraro: yeah
[08:51] <spacey> cikilin_, yeah dcgui-qt has problems
[08:51] <spacey> i use it too
[08:51] <alterim> LinuxJones: do i install unrar on unrar-nonfree
[08:51] <spacey> but dcgui-qt != dc++
[08:51] <no0tic> I've added hoary backports, how can authenticate packages?
[08:51] <cikilin_> and i cant connect
[08:51] <spacey> cikilin_, does dcgui-qt work at all for you?
[08:51] <LinuxJones> alterim, that was about 4 months ago unless some other problem has arisen :D
[08:51] <Fator_Dee> spacey: there's a thread on the forums to install valknut, let me fetch it
[08:51] <humbraro> synd, then it depends on what you have after that
[08:52] <cikilin_> i ahve linux for 3 days
[08:52] <stevenj> steven@swj:~$ sudo mv /home/gaim* /usr/share/pixmaps
[08:52] <stevenj> Password:
[08:52] <stevenj> mv: cannot stat `/home/gaim*': No such file or directory
[08:52] <Fator_Dee> spacey, cikilin_ : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21570
[08:52] <stevenj> I even tried sudo su
[08:52] <SeeRSea> sorry steve, I'm a noob too
[08:52] <LinuxJones> alterim, use the one in the universe repo
[08:52] <spacey> Fator_Dee, ah ok, i filed a bug in malone for dcgui-qt but nothing is happening with it
[08:52] <synd> humbraro: so how do i install it?
[08:52] <skora> hey, stevie
[08:52] <Fator_Dee> follow those and you can get your up and running in no time
[08:52] <skora> the dir is hidden
[08:52] <Fator_Dee> +valknut
[08:52] <skora> its /home/thisname/.gaim
[08:53] <skora> thisname=username
[08:53] <SeeRSea> is gaim just a folder?
[08:53] <humbraro> synd i need to know what it is before i can help with that
[08:53] <skora> yep
[08:53] <stevenj> yes
[08:53] <SeeRSea> anything in that folder?
[08:53] <humbraro> synd, try "tar -jxvf file.tar.bz2 first
[08:53] <cikilin_> it means i cant use it anymore
[08:53] <stevenj> yes
[08:53] <spacey> Fator_Dee, yeah i used valknut before but i want it fixed in universe :P
[08:53] <ThankUbuntu> has anyone ever had a problem with ubuntu messing up the MBR?
[08:54] <mainer> stevenj:enter your user passwd at the prompt,read ubuntuguide,it'll help
[08:54] <synd> humbraro: tunesbrowser-0.2.0.tar.bz2
[08:54] <cikilin_> fator_dee:it means i cant use it anymore
[08:54] <Jamminpotato> i <3 ubuntu
[08:54] <skora> ThankUbuntu, for example ? [being a little more specific would help =) ] 
[08:54] <Jamminpotato> sorry had to get that out
[08:55] <LinuxJones> ThankUbuntu, some folks have had problems with grub while dual booting with windows
[08:55] <humbraro> synd, is it source code?, if it is, then you're probably going to have to install it by hand
[08:55] <Fator_Dee> cikilin_: sorry, but what are you trying to say?
[08:55] <humbraro> synd, ie. ./configure, make, make install
[08:55] <humbraro> synd, i'd look in apt first
[08:55] <ThankUbuntu> well whenever i use cfdisk or fdisk it cant open my MBR or write to it, only happened after installing ubuntu
[08:55] <cikilin_> i can not conect with dcgui-qt
[08:55] <cikilin_> why?
[08:56] <skora> ThankUbuntu, does it say permission denied ?
[08:56] <Tronic> ThankUbuntu: It is impossible to mess the MBR so that fdisk could not read it anymore.
[08:56] <skora> cikilin_, did you insert a hub address, to connect right ?
[08:56] <ThankUbuntu> no just says cannot open drive but i can write or completely to the FS
[08:56] <cikilin_> yes
[08:56] <ThankUbuntu> just not the boot sector
[08:56] <Tronic> ThankUbuntu: So, either the system where you are doing that fdisk is b0rked, or the hardware has died.
[08:56] <skora> and do you have the DC libraries ?
[08:56] <synd> humbraro: im not finding it in apt
[08:56] <LinuxJones> ThankUbuntu, your running fdisk using sudo fdisk ?
[08:56] <Fator_Dee> cikilin_: there's just too many possibilities on what could be wrong, so you would have to explain more for me to be able to help
[08:57] <ThankUbuntu> but ubuntu and redhat don't seem to have a problem trying to do this
[08:57] <skora> ThankUbuntu, you can also post about it in the forums and see if they can help
[08:57] <humbraro> synd ok, PM me
[08:57] <cikilin_> is connecting and disconecting because nothing shared
[08:57] <ThankUbuntu> im running fdisk under a slack install
[08:57] <cikilin_> but i shre
[08:57] <humbraro> synd, i'll try to walk ya through it
[08:58] <ThankUbuntu> i even tryed wiping out the HDD with disk wipe
[08:58] <stevenj> well I successfully moved the gaim folder into the gaim and now I can't get rid of it...you would think this could be done via a gui
[08:58] <mainer> thankubuntu: try cfdisk or qtparted
[08:58] <mainer> or parted
[08:58] <ThankUbuntu> tried fdisk and cfdisk they both din't work
[08:59] <drspin> I'm getting "lp" errors at boot anyone wanna take a look in #flood?
[08:59] <ThankUbuntu> what i was wondering if this what ubuntu does or just some horrible error
[08:59] <orangehaw> anyone inhere who knows howto get the 'frontpanel' with CF, SD, Firewire etc going? automount doesn't seem to work and with pmount i can find any devices. Output of lspci for this type of controller : Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
[08:59] <mainer> thankubuntu: if you have mandrake,use disk-drake
[08:59] <ThankUbuntu> im using knoppix now
[08:59] <SeeRSea> steven:  what did you want to remove?  Which file?
[09:00] <drspin> orangehaw: I have ICH4 and it works fine... don't know much about ICH 6
[09:00] <orangehaw> in suse it does automount...
[09:00] <orangehaw> how much is ich4 different from ich6 drspin
[09:00] <kent> Is there some way to make epiphany always open new pages in a new tab? X-chat lets me open links in new tabs (rightclick on links), but in evolution, i only get the oportunity to open the link in webbrowser, but that will open it on the current screen, and not on the screen where i have the other webbrowsers running. :(
[09:00] <skora> hey, im on warty right now, is there any specific guide to upgrade to hoary ?
[09:01] <drspin> orangehaw: not sure -- I was just about to note that my frontpanel is USB2.0 under LINUX and wasn't under windows :)
[09:01] <Jamminpotato> skora search the wiki
[09:01] <skora> or do i just reboot w/ the hoary CD in and go from there ?
[09:01] <SeeRSea> skora:  ubuntu forums.  search
[09:01] <orangehaw> i think it's the same here drspin
[09:01] <orangehaw> how did you get it working drspin
[09:01] <Jamminpotato> skora: it involves changing your repositories address (i think 2 lines) and then updateng its painless
[09:01] <pauldaoust> happy Sunday morning, everyone...
[09:01] <pauldaoust> does anyone use xcompmgr on a day-to-day basis?
[09:01] <LinuxJones> skora, it's pretty easy update /etc/apt/sources.lst to hoary, then sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:01] <drspin> orangehaw: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart then try to automount
[09:02] <mainer> thankubuntu: is the driveor partiton mounted??
[09:02] <orangehaw> hmm drspin, i'll give it a try
[09:02] <codyman> i just enable nvidia hardware acceleration but now i am having a problem with my screen... if i move the cursor over towards the right hand side of the screen it randomly stops about an inch from right side and also if i move it towards the bottom of the screen it stops about a quarter of an inch from the bottom although on both sides the desktop is projected there
[09:02] <ThankUbuntu> you should uncomment all lines repositroys, i had a problem with get some programs because i only uncommented 2
[09:02] <skora> wow, do i even then need to burn the cd ?
[09:02] <SeeRSea> It's around a 600 meg upgrade too, I think
[09:03] <drspin> anyone care to try and help me with my "lp" errors?
[09:03] <skora> [already downloaded the iso] 
[09:03] <SeeRSea> ah
[09:03] <chromate> hello... does anybody know a GUI scp client?
[09:03] <drspin> skora: I would suggest using the repos online... might cause less heartache for dependencies
[09:03] <xukun_> can anybody see this video? http://www.cbtnuggets.com/webapp/theater?op=view&id=19
[09:03] <Jamminpotato> i did the same thing skora, then i found out the easy way to do it and it took maybe an hour of downloading sutf on cable
[09:04] <mainer> chromate: openssh
[09:04] <ThankUbuntu> is it possible there are special permissions on the MBR that i hsould be aware of?
[09:04] <pauldaoust> xukun_: it asks for a username and password... is it free registration?
[09:04] <mainer> thankubuntu: not that i know of
[09:04] <drspin> xukun_: it wan't me to login... no way ;)
[09:04] <SeeRSea> I'm on dial up, and I don't dare dist-upgrade
[09:04] <pauldaoust> so... uh... nobody uses xcompmgr?
[09:04] <pauldaoust> say it ain't so
[09:04] <crimsun> no, I don't use xcompmgr.
[09:04] <chromate> mainer: there's a GUI interface?
[09:04] <LinuxJones> pauldaoust, it very buggy
[09:04] <pauldaoust> I thought people used Ubuntu primarily because they like pretty things!
[09:05] <pauldaoust> LinuxJones: yeah, I know :)
[09:05] <LinuxJones> ;)
[09:05] <pauldaoust> that's actually why I was gonna ask a question...
[09:05] <xukun_> hmm yes you need to register first,
[09:05] <SeeRSea> I use ubuntu because I like being tribal
[09:05] <Xebitx> anyone know how to turn on the sound support soundcore module?
[09:05] <drspin> I use Ubuntu because it's the best DESKTOP approach to linux :) IMHO
[09:05] <pauldaoust> yeah, that's why I did it too.
[09:05] <drspin> Xebitx: sudo modprobe snd-pcm
[09:05] <sono> Hello.  I can't start the X server with Hoary's AMD64 FGLRX drivers.  Screen gets blank and system halts apparently.  Anyone with this problem?
[09:06] <mainer> chromate,yes,but w.e. ssh client of choice is,can use putty,too
[09:06] <skora> so, should i go with the cd upgrade or the net upgrade ? [btw, i have cable] 
[09:06] <ThankUbuntu> even as i open cfdisk in knoppix it gives the same error: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[09:06] <ThankUbuntu>                          Press any key to exit cfdisk
[09:06] <pauldaoust> also because it's Debian-based, and I'd heard so many good things about Debian, and I'd killed my HD with Gentoo on it and didn't feel like re-emerging a whole bloody desktop environment from scratch ^_^
[09:06] <LinuxJones> pauldaoust, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DropShadows
[09:06] <Xebitx> drspin, no more than that?
[09:06] <xukun_> pauldaoust, drspin all I see is a dark screen, does not show the video, I dont know which application I need to install
[09:06] <gingermark> Hi guys. Does anyone have a recommendation for a fast PDF reader in Ubuntu? I've tried XPDF & GPDF and they both seem quite slow and don't support continuous scrolling. I'm just looking for one that does, and is otherwise reasonably lightweight. Thanks.
[09:06] <Xebitx> cause im trying to get my stupid soundcard to work
[09:06] <SeeRSea> You could always do a fresh install from the CD.
[09:06] <pauldaoust> LinuxJones: actually, it was working fine until I upgraded to GNOME 2.10, now xcompmgr eats the top panel sometimes
[09:06] <drspin> Xebitx: not if the kernel finds your sndcard
[09:06] <Xebitx> its an audigy LS and I dont understand why there is no support for it
[09:06] <pauldaoust> buuuuut... I'm stubborn, and I like pretty things, so I don't want to get rid of xcompmgr yet ^_^
[09:06] <drspin> xukun_ ??
[09:06] <xmux> gingermark: have you tried 'acroread'?
[09:07] <RexM> Does anyone in here play et?
[09:07] <pauldaoust> xukun_: if you give me a sec I'll try to set up an account and watch the vid
[09:07] <Xebitx> drspin, when I do sudo modprobe snd-pcm it returns nothing
[09:07] <gingermark> xmux, no I haven't
[09:07] <johns^> RexM: yep
[09:07] <LinuxJones> pauldaoust, yikes :D
[09:07] <gingermark> I'll have a ganders at that, thanks
[09:07] <xukun_> pauldaoust, sure
[09:07] <sono> anyone with AMD64 xorg problems?
[09:07] <pauldaoust> LinuxJones: yeah, it's somewhat of a show-stopper ^_^
[09:07] <xmux> gingermark: It's awesome, you shouldn't try to read pdf with anything else
[09:07] <ThankUbuntu> ill just go somewhere else this is obiviusly not a ubuntu problem or one that you guys know of
[09:07] <gingermark> thanks
[09:07] <RexM> johns^: are you interested in joining a new #ubuntu.et clan?
[09:07] <drspin> Xebitx: past $lsmod in #flood
[09:08] <Zugot> i run ubuntu on my laptop. is there a way to detect that i don't have a network cable plugged and and to try to bring up wlan0 on boot?
[09:08] <Xebitx> ?
[09:08] <orangehaw> drspin: it didn't work
[09:08] <johns^> Hm, RexM, I'm not a nOOb, but 'occasional fragmeat' is my middle name
[09:08] <RexM> haha, i haven't played in a good month and a half
[09:09] <pauldaoust> xukun_: sorry, didn't work: "Totem could not play 'mms://drm.cbtnuggets.com/freevideos/cisco/osi_model.wmv?embed'."
[09:09] <Xebitx> drspin I should paste what?
[09:09] <Xgates> say anyone used "make-kpkg"?
[09:09] <drspin> orangehaw: paste $lsmod and $dmesg|tail in #flood
[09:09] <drspin> Xebitx: the output
[09:09] <Xgates> trying to figure out a basic command to run on it?
[09:09] <pauldaoust> xukun_: I've never even heard of the MSS2 codec, and I've got pretty much every codec under the sun installed
[09:09] <xukun_> pauldaoust, thanks for trying
[09:09] <Xebitx> the output of what?
[09:09] <Xebitx> I didnt do any command yet
[09:09] <pauldaoust> xukun_: my guess is that it has some sort of DRM that Totem can't handle (hence the drm.cbtnuggets.com address)
[09:10] <Xebitx> sudo modprobe gives me nothing
[09:10] <drspin> Xebitx: lsmod
[09:10] <Xebitx> ok
[09:10] <sono> Zugot: try the ifplug and waproamd packages
[09:10] <pauldaoust> xukun_: you might wanna try mplayer
[09:10] <memnips> im t rying to install zend studio for linux (glibc) on ubuntu, and after i extract the tar.gz file im left with a in file...i thought it was java so i installed 1.4 but that doesnt wanna open the file.
[09:10] <memnips> er left with a bin file
[09:10] <sono> Zugot: try finding some related information at the Ubuntu site and forums.
[09:11] <xukun_> pauldaoust, it seems that is some problem installing mplayer, I have to wait untill its fixed
[09:11] <xukun_> there is
[09:11] <Unipa1> v
[09:12] <pauldaoust> xukun_: weird; didn't have that problem myself. don't bother though -- I just tried it in mplayer and it just sits there like a dead fish
[09:12] <pauldaoust> (oh, and freezes too)
[09:12] <sono> Zugot: after installing and configuring those, the method for turning your WiFi adapter on, depends on your specific hardware.  Which adapter  do you have?
[09:12] <hybrid_> xukun_ : i installed mplayer just a few hrs ago
[09:12] <goldfish> mp3blaster rocks!
[09:12] <Xgates> or does someone know how to run  mkinitrd
[09:12] <hybrid_> xukun_ : r u using a binary or source?
[09:12] <Xgates>  to create a .img?
[09:12] <pauldaoust> goldfish: nevah heard of it?
[09:12] <drspin> Xebitx: now past the output of lspci
[09:12] <Xebitx> drspin, done
[09:12] <xukun_> bytheway, just apt-get
[09:12] <goldfish> pauldaoust: mp3 terminal player
[09:12] <xukun_> pauldaoust, I see
[09:12] <pauldaoust> goldfish: ah, it's a console-mode one...
[09:13] <guerby> I've added emacs to ubuntu, is there a way to add it with a nice icon on the toolbar?
[09:13] <goldfish> yeah :)
[09:13] <pauldaoust> goldfish: I like those
[09:13] <goldfish> i love it
[09:13] <goldfish> me too :)
[09:13] <Xebitx> I cant install mplayer
[09:13] <Xebitx> gives me weird errors
[09:13] <Xebitx> when using apt-get
[09:13] <memnips> how do i open a linux binary file .bin un ubuntu?
[09:13] <drspin> Xebitx: then lspci|grep snd   --- I accidentally closed the window
[09:13] <orangehaw> hold on drspin
[09:14] <fallstorm> Hmm, has anyone ever noticed that trying to copy text in evolution by right-clicking doesn't work, but using the edit->copy meny does?
[09:14] <pauldaoust> menmips: you usually hae to be in the directory that contains the .bin and go ./whatevertheprogiscalled.bin
[09:14] <Xebitx> lspci|grep snd ?
[09:14] <Xebitx> gives me nothing
[09:14] <Zugot> sono, ifplugd was what i was looking for... thanks
[09:14] <drspin> Xebitx: I meant lsmod|grep snd    --- sorry
[09:14] <pauldaoust> menmips: Linux (and UNIX, for that matter) doesn't normally have the current working directory in the $PATH variable, for security reasons
[09:15] <LinuxJones> Xebitx, lsmod | grep snd (see the spaces)
[09:15] <Xgates> can someone please tell me how to run mkinitrd? thanks
[09:15] <pauldaoust> goldfish: I wonder why people like them... I mean, they're not attractive or anything... (console-baed progs, that is)... I guess they're just so responsive... and for me, it reminds me of the good ol' days ^_^
[09:15] <memnips> ah thanks pauldaoust
[09:15] <pauldaoust> memnips: no prob!
[09:16] <filip_> how can i play mp3 files in ubuntu?
[09:16] <hybrid_> pauldaoust: i love the command line sometimes i shutdown gnome and work only in the command line
[09:16] <goldfish> pauldaoust: hehe, i'm a n00b really to linux, i just really love terminals, and console based stuff for some reason :)
[09:16] <pauldaoust> goldfish: cool stuff :)
[09:16] <pauldaoust> hybrid_: wow, that's hardcore.
[09:16] <xukun_> pauldaoust, if you get that working please let me now
[09:16] <fallstorm> filip_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:16] <Xebitx> drspin, can you use that?
[09:17] <Dreamer3_> fallstorm: boy i see that quoted a lot, people still into MP3? :)
[09:17] <drspin> Xebitx: OK the module for your sndCard is not loading... try sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[09:17] <fallstorm> haha yeah, who knows why
[09:17] <drspin> Xebitx: this should work...
[09:17] <sono> Zugot. U r welcome.
[09:17] <pauldaoust> hybrid_: (mind you, I do have a headless server somewhere in my house, and I do feel quite comfortable SSHing into it and manipulating crap... took me a long time to get to this point, though. Gentoo was my 'school of hard knocks'.)
[09:17] <hybrid_> pauldaoust: i have 3 or 4 cli browsers 2 cli irc 1 cli email client so no loss
[09:17] <peh> how do i change resolution in gdm?
[09:18] <Xebitx> drspin, okay I did sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1x now
[09:18] <sono> friends, anyone able to use AMD64 xorg ?
[09:18] <NeoEcoS> hello
[09:18] <Xebitx> but it gives me nothing
[09:18] <sono> with fglrx drivers?
[09:18] <drspin> Xebitx: aplay -l
[09:18] <Xgates> this place is to busy
[09:18] <Xgates> hehe
[09:18] <pauldaoust> hybrid_: three or four CLI browsers? I didn't know there were that many :) there's lynx, links, and...?
[09:18] <Xebitx> aplay -l
[09:18] <Xebitx> device_list:200: no soundcards found...
[09:18] <NeoEcoS> i need to add a kubuntu iso cd mounted on /mnt/iso to apt sources
[09:18] <drspin> Xebitx: gimme a sec
[09:18] <orangehaw> drspin: check #flood
[09:19] <pauldaoust> xukun_: I'll see what I can do, but I'm pretty sure that file is DRM-restricted, and that's why it won't play
[09:19] <hybrid_> pauldaoust: ssh rules. w3m lynx elinks and links but links ~= elinks
[09:19] <peh> Does anybody know how to change the resolution in gdm? i want it to be 800x600
[09:19] <xukun_> pauldaoust, sorry I dont know what DRM-restricted means!
[09:19] <hybrid_> copyright
[09:19] <benplaut> (act-like-a-newbie) How do i switch which driver is being used for an ati graphics card?
[09:20] <hybrid_> pretty much
[09:20] <pauldaoust> hybrid_: ah, that's why; I thought elinks *was* links, in the same way vim *is* vi
[09:20] <hybrid_> xukun_ : it is a way to stop filesharing by resticting use of music files
[09:20] <pauldaoust> xukun_: means it's got copyright protection control crap on it.
[09:20] <sono> benplaut... are you planning to switch to fglrx instead of ati?
[09:20] <xukun_> I see
[09:21] <benplaut> no... the card was detected as a Radeon LW, but it works best with Radeon 7500 drivers
[09:21] <envel> 
[09:21] <hybrid_> pauldaoust: yea i think they are. like you said vi and vim links and elinks
[09:21] <will> peh: set the resolution etc in /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have hoary
[09:21] <Echylo> hello, I just downloaded the new hoary iso, when I right click it & tell it write to cd , it asks me for inserting blank disc, It recognizes the cd writer but it keeps telling that the cd is not blank, while I'm sure it is
[09:21] <LinuxJones> Xgates, you get mkinitrd ok ?
[09:21] <will> peh: or /etc/X11/XFree86.conf if you have warty
[09:21] <Xgates> LinuxJones, still farting
[09:21] <drspin>  snd-audigyls
[09:21] <peh> will, thx
[09:21] <envel> Echylo, have you try to clean your cd-rw disk?
[09:22] <hybrid_> pauldaoust: do you like irssi?
[09:22] <LinuxJones> Xgates,  mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.X.X 2.6.X.X
[09:22] <Xgates> LinuxJones, I guess something like this will do --> mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.10-686 2.6.8-10-686
[09:22] <drspin> Xebitx: sudo modprobe -r snd-emu10k1x
[09:22] <Echylo> I don't think that is the problem, cause a week ago I burned a cd perfectly
[09:22] <drspin> Xebitx: sudo modprobe snd-audigyls
[09:22] <LinuxJones> Xgates, you should be in /boot
[09:22] <Xgates> k
[09:22] <Xebitx> martin@ubuntu:~$ sudo modprobe snd-audigyls
[09:22] <Xebitx> FATAL: Module snd_audigyls not found.
[09:22] <pauldaoust> hybrid_: now that's a program I didn't like... mind you, the circumstances were that I *couldn't* get X to run, and it was driving me nuts, and my only lifeline to the world of people who could help was irssi and links... so I was in a foul mood the first time I used it ^_^
[09:23] <hybrid_> lol
[09:23] <xukun_> anybody know any good reason why I get "Segmentation fault" error after I run glxinfo or glxgears?
[09:23] <hybrid_> pauldaoust: i tried bitchx *once*
[09:23] <drspin> orangehaw: I know this isn't much help but I can;t help you... I believe that this is your problem... "hci_usb_intr_rx_submit: hci0 intr rx submit failed urb c1a05494 err -28"
[09:24] <pauldaoust> xukun_: no, sorry... it segfaults when you try to run it, or once you close the window?
[09:24] <filip_> how should i do for play mp3 in the musicplayer?
[09:24] <Xgates> LinuxJones, I ran this and nothing happened --> mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.10 2.6.10
[09:24] <drspin> Xebitx: that's the module that you need to load... it's the DRIVER for your soundcard...
[09:24] <LinuxJones> Xgates, it didn't creat the rdimage in /boot ?
[09:24] <LinuxJones> create*
[09:24] <Xgates> LinuxJones, nope
[09:24] <will> peh: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21719.html
[09:25] <pauldaoust> filip_: http://www..ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:25] <LinuxJones> Xgates, what errors did it spit out ?
[09:25] <sono> benplaut: all right, if you know exactly what's the name of the controller, change it at the "Device" section of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, providing you are @ Hoary.
[09:25] <sono> benplaut: replace "ati" for you preferred driver's name.
[09:25] <xukun_> pauldaoust, when I run it nothing happens, after 3 sec it just gives me that
[09:25] <Xebitx> drspin, but what am I supposed to load?
[09:25] <drspin> Xebitx: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
[09:25] <pauldaoust> xukun_: weird. do any of the OpenGL screensavers work? (e.g., AntSpotlight, Flurry, Atlantis)?
[09:25] <Xgates> LinuxJones, didnt say anything just went back to the cmd prompt was all
[09:25] <xukun_> pauldaoust, I will try that
[09:26] <Xebitx> drspin, autosave?
[09:26] <LinuxJones> Xgates, you sure your in /boot/ ?
[09:26] <Xgates> LinuxJones, yes
[09:26] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~ # cd /boot/
[09:26] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:/boot # ls
[09:26] <Xgates> bzImage              grub
[09:27] <Ephexis> hey, parted from ubuntu is not working with HFS+
[09:27] <xukun_> pauldaoust, no they dont
[09:27] <guerby> hi, I've just got a gnomemeeting crash but the backtrace has not much symbolic information in it, is there a way to install debug information for a package?
[09:27] <Xgates> LinuxJones, ok I got it
[09:27] <Xgates> my bad
[09:28] <filip_> what program need i when i whant to convert mp3 to vorbis?
[09:28] <Xgates> ahh no I didnt
[09:28] <Xgates> hmmm
[09:28] <pauldaoust> xukun_: looks like you don't have OpenGL working properly. Unfortunately I don't really use 3D much, so I never bothered to get it working... but check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make sure the GLX extension is enabled.
[09:28] <pauldaoust> (that's where I'd start.)
[09:29] <scooby0> Howdy I am having some trouble with dns settings with hoary.. can ping hostnames but using firefox it can't resolve the hosts itself.. anyone have anyideas..?
[09:30] <LinuxJones> Xgates, there is some info for you here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[09:30] <brosio> anyone could said to me an official ubuntu repository ?
[09:31] <gabe123> anyone know how to open kpackage? i installed it via kynaptic, but I can't find it's menu item. what's the terminal command for it?
[09:31] <xukun_> bbl
[09:31] <LinuxJones> brosio, this goes in /etc/apt-/sources.lst >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[09:31] <desrt> word.
[09:31] <Xebitx> Man how come ubuntu doesnt support a soundcard like Creative Audigy LS ..its a very used card
[09:31] <fishi> hi
[09:32] <desrt> Xebitx; are you playing sound but hearing nothing?
[09:32] <crimsun> Xebitx: it does. You need to use 'alsa-source' from universe.
[09:32] <Xebitx> I get nothing
[09:32] <Xebitx> no sound
[09:32] <desrt> but does the application seem to think that it's playing sound?
[09:32] <desrt> ie: no error messages.. just silence?
[09:32] <Xebitx> hmm
[09:32] <Xebitx> desrt, which application
[09:32] <desrt> any
[09:32] <crimsun> the snd-audigyls driver is broken
[09:32] <florent_> xebit: does the driver load ? if yes, lower up the volume, it's off by default
[09:33] <crimsun> you need to use snd-ca0106 available in 1.0.8+
[09:33] <Xebitx> I cant find the volume
[09:33] <desrt> ah.  crimsum would probably know better
[09:33] <Xebitx> its not there
[09:33] <brosio> i get
[09:33] <brosio> W: Impossibile controllare la lista dei pacchetti sorgente http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:33] <pauldaoust> hey, for all those who are using xcompmgr (or waiting for it to become stable), has anyone seen what the folks at GNOME are doing with compositing? some crazy stuff going on, that should match the coolness of OS X or Longhorn, or even blow them out of the water. http://www.gnome.org/~seth/
[09:33] <kondensaattori> is there any good video editting software for linux?
[09:33] <brosio> when i do apt-get upgrade
[09:33] <Xgates> LinuxJones, ok I'll play with doing this as --> make-kpkg
[09:33] <Xebitx> usually its up in the right corner
[09:33] <Xebitx> but its not there
[09:33] <crimsun> Xebitx: have you enabled the universe repository?
[09:33] <Xebitx> yes
[09:33] <LinuxJones> Xgates, yeah you'll be surprised how easy it is :)
[09:34] <T6> kondensaattori, what do you want to do exactly?
[09:34] <pauldaoust> kondensaattori: kino is supposed to be good (despite the 'k', it actually is a GTK+ app). Broadcast2000 is supposed to be good, too, but hard to use.
[09:34] <crimsun> Xebitx: then install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), and alsa-source
[09:34] <Xebitx> exact command?
[09:34] <Xebitx> build essential I already did
[09:34] <Xebitx> thats the compilers rights?
[09:34] <kondensaattori> pauldaoust: ty.. free?
[09:34] <xmux> kondensaattori: the real answer to your question is 'no there isn't'
[09:34] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[09:34] <pauldaoust> kondensaattori: both are free.
[09:34] <LinuxJones> kondensaattori, MainActor has a Linux version I don't know how well it works tho
[09:35] <crimsun> desrt: which tutorial?
[09:35] <Xebitx> ok just a sec
[09:35] <Xebitx> loading CD
[09:35] <florent_> hmm, why does flash player needs esd to play sound ? :(
[09:35] <Phr0stByte> Does anyone her now of a Palm OS app that will sync up with a linux accounting app? If so, what are they?
[09:35] <gteppel> is there a key combination to switch between desktops in ubuntu?
[09:35] <crimsun> florent_: blame macromedia
[09:36] <pauldaoust> kondensaattori: you can get kino through Ubuntu's package manager, but you'll probably have to download the Broadcast2000 source off their website http://heroinewarrior.com/
[09:36] <LinuxJones> brosio, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:36] <IRCGuest0> when will ubuntu be used instead of microsoft windows?
[09:36] <crimsun> IRCGuest0: meaning...?
[09:36] <IRCGuest0> for all windows pcs :P
[09:36] <xmux> IRCGuest0: not long now!
[09:36] <IRCGuest0> lol
[09:36] <Xebitx> crimsun, done
[09:36] <IRCGuest0> xmux nah,,,,,,, corps always win
[09:36] <crimsun> Xebitx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[09:36] <nuopus> congrats everyone on ubuntu being #1 on distrowatch
[09:36] <IRCGuest0> always
[09:37] <crimsun> Xebitx: say No to PnP, Yes to debug, and choose the ca0106 driver
[09:37] <Xebitx> ISA PNP support?
[09:37] <Xebitx> ok
[09:37] <Xebitx> done
[09:38] <crimsun> Xebitx: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[09:38] <Zugot> how do i revert to a previous version of the nvidia driver?  this one is flakey
[09:39] <Phr0stByte> Does anyone here now of a Palm OS app that will sync up with a linux accounting app? If so, what are they? Everything else is syncing quite nicely on this Ubuntu system and my new Treo PDA/phone!!!
[09:39] <nuopus> Phr0stByte: You need expense records?
[09:39] <zoso_kubuntu> I'm having a bizzarre problem with the ATI driver. It appears to be installed correctly and running, but when I attempt to run glxgears the system becomes unresponsive.
[09:39] <nuopus> or a full accounting program?
[09:40] <Phr0stByte> nuopus: ? What do you mean?
[09:40] <nuopus> mine is working perfectly. I did not use the one in the repos
[09:40] <nuopus> get the latest one from atitech.com
[09:40] <bretzel> Hi there (again ) -- I 've already asked a question about NFS mount taking several minutes to complete few weeks ago : I have same probs anyone kind to answer my question ?
[09:40] <kondensaattori> hmm just installed kino.. and.. well after clicking open crashed.. well have to try again or other..
[09:40] <Phr0stByte> nuopus: I see.... Just a running ballence and where it went or came from
[09:40] <Xebitx> crimsun, okay its running through some stuff now
[09:40] <Xebitx> taking a little while
[09:41] <nuopus> Phr0stByte: Well .. when some people say finance manager they really need a good program to manage expenses ... for like a trip or something
[09:41] <nuopus> ahhh
[09:41] <Phr0stByte> nuopus: I have used Grisbi for a long time and like it
[09:42] <nuopus> Phr0stByte: Lemme ask my friend. ... hold
[09:42] <Phr0stByte> nuopus: K
[09:42] <nuopus> didnt know about grisbi! I use moneydance
[09:42] <cyklus> what is the difference between the "ATI" driver and the "RADEON" driver? I have a Ati Radeon 7500 Mobile. Ubuntu default is using the ATI driver
[09:42] <Xebitx> crimsun, done
[09:42] <bretzel> Hints about my probs: nfs server is Ubuntu hoary official relase: as soon as I mount from other hoary in same local network, the server daemon log tell it is mounted successfully, but on my client hoary, log says that "warning - mount version older than kernel" ???
[09:42] <crimsun> Xebitx: ls ../*.deb
[09:42] <Xebitx> ls
[09:43] <Xebitx> and?
[09:43] <crimsun> Xebitx: was a deb created?
[09:43] <Xebitx> yes
[09:43] <crimsun> Xebitx: install it
[09:43] <Phr0stByte> nuopus: MoneyDance costs money...
[09:43] <zoso_kubuntu> cyklus: the ATI driver (AFAIK) has no 3D acceleration.
[09:43] <Xebitx> is it dpkg -i ?
[09:44] <bobesponja> is there a way to install ubuntu from a floppy or from my /dev/hda1/kubuntu.iso? my cd drive is dead :(
[09:44] <crimsun> Xebitx: yes
[09:44] <bobesponja> (I meant ubuntu.iso)
[09:44] <dj28> after installing ubuntu-calendar, how do i get it to update my wallpaper?
[09:44] <Xebitx> done
[09:44] <cyklus> zoso_kubuntu: So I want to use the Radeon driver instead?
[09:45] <crimsun> Xebitx: all right, you should be able to reboot now
[09:45] <sig> I have an ATI Radeon IGP 340M in this laptop and I can't get 3D support either
[09:45] <crimsun> Xebitx: err, scratch that
[09:45] <LinuxJones> bobesponja, you might be able to easily install it using qemu directly form the .iso on your hd
[09:45] <crimsun> Xebitx: sudo modprobe snd-ca0106
[09:45] <LinuxJones> from*
[09:45] <zoso_kubuntu> cyklus: Actually I think you want to use the fglrx driver.
[09:46] <Xebitx> ok done
[09:46] <tolle> Has anyone managed to get Anjuta2 from CVS to run on their system?
[09:46] <gingermark> Hey, asked about this a little before, just looking for a lightweight pdf reader for Ubuntu that allows continuous scrolling. I've tried X & GPDF, and accroread. Just need something that'll be reasonably fast on my 800MHz computer...
[09:46] <doubleplus> Has anyone gotten jack to work with gstreamer?
[09:46] <zoso_kubuntu> sig: I am struggling with 3D acceleration as well.
[09:46] <flodine> guys can i get a muine for 64bit
[09:46] <sig> ati sucks
[09:46] <bobesponja> LinuxJones: how does tthat work?
[09:46] <crimsun> flodine: not in Hoary
[09:46] <zoso_kubuntu> Came with the lappy though ...
[09:46] <flodine> where
[09:46] <Xebitx> crimsun, is that all?
[09:46] <sig> zoso_kubuntu: same
[09:46] <crimsun> Xebitx: paste amixer output onto http://pastebin.com
[09:46] <cyklus> zoso_kubuntu: I looked at it, however it doesnt suppport the 7500 Mobile... seems like they want people to buy their newer cards :(
[09:47] <zoso_kubuntu> drat
[09:47] <mwh_> Hi, Ive upgraded to hoary and I think something went wrong along the way :(
[09:47] <Anders1> mwh_: tell us
[09:47] <mwh_> im trying to configure the clock with gconf-editor
[09:47] <zoso_kubuntu> GLX and GLcore shouldn't both be loading, should they?
[09:47] <mwh_> but I cant find the clock entry
[09:47] <flodine> can you tell me where i can get the 64 muine from
[09:47] <flodine> holla
[09:48] <Xebitx> crimsun, done
[09:48] <mwh_> it should be in /apps/panel/applets/clock
[09:48] <mwh_> but it does not show up :(
[09:48] <flodine> crimsun 64bit muine
[09:48] <flodine> anyone know
[09:48] <cyklus> zoso_kubuntu: I tried the radeon driver, however every other time i boot the system freezes when loading X...
[09:48] <mwh_> anyone know how I can fix that?
[09:48] <mwh_> I tried to reinstall gnome-applets
[09:48] <mwh_> but that did not help
[09:49] <crimsun> flodine: you'll have to use upstream mono and muine, since support for mono on amd64 isn't in Hoary's packages
[09:49] <crimsun> flodine: (you'll need mono 1.1.x)
[09:49] <brosio> anyone use kismet on ubuntu64 ?
[09:49] <flodine> thxs
[09:49] <zoso_kubuntu> cyklus: infortunately I'm not sure what you should do at this point, I'm at a loss myself.
[09:49] <kangpeh> http://www.aniport.com/public/1113110749.png <-- Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary Screen Shot =)  (Theme/Window Borders/Icons modded)
[09:49] <crimsun> Xebitx: I need all the output
[09:49] <bthornton> How do you start/stop services on Ubuntu?  I come from Fedora, so I'm used to "/etc/rc.d/init.d/[servicename]  start", but Ubuntu has no such directory structure.
[09:49] <cyklus> zoso_kubuntu: no problem, thanks for trying to help :)
[09:49] <Xebitx> you didnt get it all?
[09:49] <crimsun> bthornton: remove the rc.d
[09:50] <crimsun> Xebitx: it's truncated
[09:50] <zoso_kubuntu> cyklus: sure thing, have you checked the forums?
[09:50] <LinuxJones> bobesponja, you would need a bunch fo hd space to use as a temporary buffer but it can be done.
[09:51] <LinuxJones> bobesponja, it would probably take alot longer as well but that's better than buying a new cdrom drive :)
[09:51] <sophie_msumu> hi
[09:51] <Xebitx> crimsun, better?
[09:51] <Manawyddan> hi there people!!
[09:51] <mwh_> hmm it doesnt seem like the packages gnome-applets and gnome-applets-data installs the gconf stuff to /etc/gconf
[09:51] <nuopus> cant get a hold of my friend
[09:51] <cikilin_> question: how i make subtitles bigers on xine;pls i am a beginer
[09:52] <sophie_msumu> Does some one know how to get rid of these horible default splash screens ?
[09:52] <Phr0stByte> Does anyone here now of a Palm OS app that will sync up with a linux accounting app? If so, what are they? Everything else is syncing quite nicely on this Ubuntu system and my new Treo PDA/phone!!!
[09:52] <crimsun> Xebitx: no. I still don't see Master, PCM, ...
[09:52] <Manawyddan> i' have a stupid question : can i mount an NTFS partion with Ubuntu?
[09:52] <Xebitx> hmm what command should I do?
[09:52] <gingermark> Manawyddan, yes you can
[09:52] <crimsun> Xebitx: but no need to repaste, I saw what I needed. Please use alsamixer to unmute the Master and PCM mixer elements.
[09:52] <crimsun> Xebitx: (press 'm')
[09:53] <groo> so has anyone found java advanced imager?
[09:53] <bretzel> Trying to register my nickname but " / msg nickserv register <your-password> " note on the help does't tell what the hell "nickserv" means ...
[09:53] <cyklus> zoso_kubuntu: yes... doing some more research thru google at the moment, hopefully something will come up
[09:53] <groo> Manawyddan, yes quite easily
[09:53] <doubleplus> Any ideas on getting jack and gstreamer to play nicely together?
[09:53] <doubleplus> I get 'jack element jacksink0 needs to be contained in a jack bin' when I use gst-launch-ext-0.8 after starting jack with 'jackd -d alsa'
[09:53] <cikilin_> question: how i make subtitles bigers on xine;pls i am a beginer;can anybody help me
[09:53] <Manawyddan> ...and i don't have to format it right?
[09:53] <groo> no
[09:53] <gingermark> there are details at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:53] <gingermark> (for mounting NTFS drives)
[09:53] <Xebitx> the master?
[09:53] <Manawyddan> ok, thanks.
[09:53] <zoso_kubuntu> cyklus: bob2 gave me some good advice earlier, got the driver running at least.
[09:53] <xmux> Manawyddan: you can mount it easily read-only only
[09:54] <Xebitx> I see AC97 Mic
[09:54] <Xebitx> and some other stuff
[09:54] <nuopus> hmmmm seems grisbi can sync with a zaurus ... although this will not help you
[09:54] <nuopus> hmmm
[09:54] <dj28> does anybody know how i can enable ubuntu-calendar after it is installed? i don't see it anywhere in the 'backgroun' or 'themes' section
[09:54] <groo> Manawyddan, http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html
[09:54] <cikilin_>  how i make subtitles bigers on xine;pls i am a beginer
[09:55] <groo> yeah read-only
[09:55] <crimsun> doubleplus: dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-jack|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[09:55] <Xebitx> crimsun, what should I unmute
[09:55] <crimsun> Xebitx: there's no Master or PCM?
[09:55] <beh> can someone tell me what i need to put in grub to boot ubuntu? I installed ubuntu on the second hard drive and chose not to install a bootloader becuase I have GRUB on hard disk 0 already that boots to windows and gentoo. What do i need to add so that it boots ubuntu
[09:55] <Xebitx> I dont see it no
[09:55] <mwh_> I have another problem with my upgraded hoary ... some apps wont play audio unless I have disabled esd
[09:55] <mwh_> how can I make them play audio
[09:55] <mwh_> with esd enabled
[09:56] <Xebitx> Ac97 Mic, Ac97 Mic, Analog C, Analog F, Analog U, CAPTURE, SPDIF ce, SPDIF FR, SPDIF Ou, SPDIF Re, SPDIF Un
[09:56] <Reblended> I very much want to install Ubuntu on my Sony Vaio laptop (PCG-FX190 (UC)),  when booting from CD I get theUb  splash and says "You passed an undefined mode number" I tried the boot line: live vga=771 and it still doesn't get past the loading vmlinuix......  (private msg welcome)
[09:56] <desrt> crimsun; sorry.  got busy :)
[09:56] <stevenj> nothing I have tried works...I just need to remove /usr/share/pixmaps/game directory and replace it with /home/steven/gaim   is this possible using sudo?
[09:56] <sophie_msumu> Does someone know how to get rid of these horible default splash screens ?
[09:56] <flyover> I have a drive that shows up but that I can't touch even if I'm root, says permission denied....a friend said that a config file had to be modified, any ideas?
[09:56] <Xebitx> and there is MM
[09:56] <gingermark> Can anyone please recommend a really light-weight pdf reader that supports continuous scrolling?
[09:57] <doubleplus> crimsun, 0.8.8-1ubuntu4
[09:57] <groo> stevenj, what are you trying to do?
[09:57] <crimsun> doubleplus: and you've told gst-launch to use the jack module?
[09:57] <cikilin_> please teach me how can i make subtitle on xine bigger
[09:57] <Xebitx> crimsun, I see no master
[09:57] <doubleplus> crimsun, oh yeah... I forgot about that part... woops
[09:58] <Xebitx> or PCM
[09:58] <crimsun> Xebitx: fun. You get to play the "which setting muted lets me have sound" game
[09:58] <cikilin_> anybody want to help me
[09:58] <cikilin_> please
[09:58] <FR500> hi
[09:58] <groo> gingermark, acroreader?  i dont know how lightweight it is
[09:58] <crimsun> Xebitx: or in your case, which unmuted setting.
[09:58] <stevenj> groo, I downloaded a gaim folder from gnome look (contains new gaim icons) - I want to replace the /usr/share/pixmaps/gaim with this new gaim folder I downloaded that is located in my home....whatever I do I do not have rights
[09:58] <cyklus> zoso_kubuntu: which one? Radeon?
[09:58] <cikilin_> hi fr500
[09:58] <cikilin_> can u help me
[09:58] <Xebitx> which means what?
[09:58] <FR500> i can try
[09:59] <cikilin_> i watch mocies with xine
[09:59] <crimsun> Xebitx: it means try unmuting each mixer element one at a time.
[09:59] <zoso_kubuntu> cyklus: No, he pointed me to this -> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:59] <cikilin_> and i dont know to make it bigger
[09:59] <Xebitx> and then do what?
[09:59] <crimsun> Xebitx: in other words, I don't know what setting you need, but you can find out.
[09:59] <gingermark> groo, I tried that and it was pretty slow (my comp is only 800Mhz)
[09:59] <desrt> crimsun; anyway.  it appears that the build succeeded.
[09:59] <bthornton> How do I change the owner on files/directories using the UID?
[09:59] <crimsun> Xebitx: um, test a sound?
[09:59] <desrt> crimsun; gonna check and see if the card works for multichannel without dmix now.
[09:59] <crimsun> Xebitx: play a sound file?
[09:59] <groo> stevenj, you could always delete the original directory sudo /path/to/dir
[09:59] <doubleplus> crimsun, I have 'AUDIOSINK = "jacksink";' in my ~/.gst file
[09:59] <sophie_msumu> Does someone know how to get rid of these horible default splash screens ?
[09:59] <Xebitx> in which player?
[09:59] <FR500> cikilin_, dunno what is moises
[09:59] <groo> stevenj, then move the directory into the old dir's spot.
[09:59] <crimsun> Xebitx: aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav
[10:00] <cyklus> zoso_kubuntu: what card you have?
[10:00] <bthornton> Or, in other words, how do I change the UID on files/directories?
[10:00] <crimsun> Xebitx: replace "foo.wav" with a real one, of course
[10:00] <cikilin_> ?
[10:00] <cikilin_> i am a beginr in linux
[10:00] <zoso_kubuntu> cyklus: Radeon 9000 Mobile
[10:00] <stevenj> groo, thats the problem I do not know the sudo commands...the only other linux distro I have ever used is fedora....I did this type of thing using a window not terminal
[10:01] <Reblended> what does it mean ""You passed an undefined mode number"?
[10:01] <cyklus> zoso_kubuntu: ic
[10:01] <groo> stevenj, it's just 'sudo' and then your password
[10:01] <cikilin_> fr500 easy
[10:01] <cikilin_> what is dunno
[10:01] <groo> bthornton, chown?
[10:01] <stevenj> groo, I got to that point and everything I try I can not delete this folder
[10:01] <xmux> stevenj: 'sudo -s' will give you a root shell
[10:01] <dukeku> hey crimsun :)
[10:02] <groo> stevenj, sudo rm -rf /path/to
[10:02] <bthornton> groo: Perhaps, although the man page doesn't say anything about it.
[10:02] <sophie_msumu> Does someone know how to get rid of these horible default splash screens ?
[10:02] <groo> bthornton, chown -R username [file/directory] 
[10:03] <bthornton> groo: I'm trying to do something similar to "chown joe joesfile"; except, I'm trying to use the UID instead of the username.
[10:03] <geppy> How can I build gstreamer CVS without uninstalling all of my gstreamer applications?
[10:03] <Reblended> lol sophie, I wish I had a horrible splash creen to see!
[10:03] <stevenj> groo, thanks - I think -rf is what I was missing
[10:03] <bthornton> groo: so definitely not chown -R username [file/directory] 
[10:03] <Xebitx> crimsun, I tried bringing them all up to max
[10:03] <Xebitx> no sound
[10:03] <groo> oh
[10:03] <sophie_msumu> Reblended, ?
[10:03] <Xebitx> where is the volume control?
[10:03] <crimsun> Xebitx: you can't unmute them ALL at once. Certain capture elements will prevent you from hearing sound.
[10:03] <Reblended> sophie I'm trying to boot to the live cd and I get "You passed an undefined mode number"
[10:04] <Reblended> Sophie, I think UB hates my LCD screen on my laptop
[10:04] <bthornton> Reason being, I'm on a system which is on an NIS domain, and the username "joe" is ambiguous (i.e. it points to one UID if it's on the domain, and another UID if it's local)
[10:04] <FR500> cyklus, no idea on what you need
[10:05] <xmux> bthornton: I think that if you just use uid numbers instead of names chown will do the right thing
[10:05] <stevenj> groo, how do I now copy the new folder into that path (new folder is in my home)
[10:05] <xmux> That happens to me by accident a lot when I confuse chown and chmod
[10:05] <Xebitx> crimsun, so I should try bring em all up to max?
[10:05] <FR500> is there a way to make linux use load balancing, there are 2 e1 links here in the office, and on weekend they are both free, i have filled 1 already, and i want to use the other one at the same time
[10:05] <Xebitx> wait there was sound
[10:06] <fievel_Boldey> hy
[10:06] <bthornton> xmux: hmm... I'll try it.
[10:06] <Xebitx> crimsun, alot of noice comming out when turning up Analog F
[10:07] <ElllisD> hi everyone- ubuntu's the first linux system ive gotten to install completely, and it just finished an hour or so ago. During the install, I checked the box to enable screen resolutions above 8x6, but 8x6 is the highest that shows up under system>prefs>screen resolution. How can I get 1024x768 to show up in there? I looked in system>administration>device manager and was unable to change anything in there.
[10:07] <bthornton> xmux: awesome; thanks!
[10:07] <kkathman> good day/evening :)
[10:07] <stevenj> groo, ok I got it...I used -rf /path /path thanks
[10:07] <stevenj> what does sudo -rf mean though?
[10:08] <kkathman> stevenj: try doing a man sudo and you'll find out :)
[10:08] <fievel_Boldey> sudo not mean a thing (sorry for my bad english I'm french)
[10:08] <fallstorm> What mail clients do you guys use (besides evolution and balsa)? I don't like evolution and balsa doesn't seem to work quite right
[10:09] <stevenj> kkathman, ohh thanks
[10:09] <fievel_Boldey> you can remove sudo with
[10:09] <xmux> fallstorm: I use thunderbird and mutt
[10:09] <desrt> ya ok
[10:09] <doubleplus> crimsun, okay, I'm definitely telling gst-launch-0.8 to use jacksink, but it's still giving me that warning and error
[10:09] <desrt> so sblive 24 is the biggest piece of crap ever
[10:09] <fallstorm> hmm.. nearly forgot about tbird
[10:09] <fievel_Boldey> sudo passwd root
[10:09] <desrt> it's basically like an sb16 that doesn't work properly
[10:09] <flyover> can't get permissions to use drive, drive shows up fine in file manager, how can I access it??
[10:10] <desrt> it will be going back to the store prompty
[10:10] <crimsun> desrt: good choice
[10:10] <crimsun> doubleplus: ok. I'm sorry I can't help more with it. I know the jack gst module is being rewritten.
[10:11] <doubleplus> crimsun, okay, thanks anyway. Do you know when I can expect the new version to be complete?
[10:11] <stevenj> last question....I somewhat followed the http://ubuntuguide.org/ and replace my respos -- Is this a good thing to do? I needed some extra apps; however, it did update a couple of file with the updater
[10:11] <flyover> oh well
[10:11] <crimsun> doubleplus: I have no idea, sorry.
[10:11] <doubleplus> okay
[10:11] <fievel_Boldey> i need help i haven't sound with Ubuntu 5.04
[10:11] <Xebitx> what does this mean when I try to play an mp3 file?: Could not open resource for writing.
[10:11] <desrt> man.  that was a bad day
[10:11] <geppy> I've installed 'debmake', but I don't seem to have the deb-make binary;  what should I do?
[10:11] <desrt> i bought a 512meg stick of ram there the same day
[10:11] <fievel_Boldey> for all sound
[10:11] <desrt> and it's bad
[10:11] <ElllisD> can someone help me with screen resoultions?
[10:11] <desrt> boot = kernel panic
[10:11] <geppy> fievel_Boldey: Try insuring that you have the sound channels unmuted.
[10:12] <Reblended> anyone running Ubuntu on a sony laptop?
[10:12] <desrt> crimsun; for the record, i couldn't even get the card working with the ca0106 module
[10:12] <crimsun> Xebitx: what application?
[10:12] <fievel_Boldey> it's my sound card
[10:12] <Xebitx> Music Player
[10:12] <xmux> Reblended: I am
[10:12] <Xebitx> and Totem Player
[10:12] <Xebitx> says the same
[10:12] <crimsun> Xebitx: make sure esd is running.
[10:12] <Xebitx> uhm
[10:12] <Reblended> xmux Oh great! I'm trying to see if it will work for me...
[10:12] <kkathman> stevenj: not sure I understand what you are trying to do....did you have warty installed before?
[10:12] <Xebitx> YYYYYYYYYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[10:13] <Xebitx> it freaking works
[10:13] <Reblended> xmux (feel free to /msg me if you have time) I'm getting a "You passed an undefined mode number" on the LIVE cd
[10:13] <xmux> Reblended: Well.....there are a lot of sony laptops  I have a PCG-FRV25
[10:13] <Xebitx> crimsun, I LOVE YOU MAN
[10:13] <crimsun> np
[10:13] <desrt> :)
[10:13] <kkathman> crimsun IS the man :)
[10:13] <desrt> crimsun gets lots of love
[10:13] <Reblended> xmux nice one... I have PCG-FX190
[10:13] <xmux> Reblended: Afraid I can't help you there, my CD player died so I did a netboot install
[10:13] <FirefoxKal-linux> anyone know how to fix the screen resolution?
[10:13] <Xebitx> now I can finally use linux more instead of windows
[10:13] <fievel_Boldey>  esd
[10:13] <fievel_Boldey> esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX socket
[10:13] <fievel_Boldey> /tmp/.esd/socket
[10:13] <fievel_Boldey> This socket already exists indicating esd is already running.
[10:13] <fievel_Boldey> Exiting...
[10:13] <stevenj> kkathman, hoary clean...then I followed the  http://ubuntuguide.org/ and replaced the repos file
[10:13] <Reblended> xmux very good... question on your LCD screen:
[10:14] <Reblended> xmux, bummer on th cd, but when you boot up .. is it full screen?
[10:14] <geppy> debmake, anyone?
[10:14] <kkathman> stevenj: ok and whats your question?
[10:14] <Reblended> xmux My lcd doesn't do digital scaling
[10:14] <crimsun> geppy: no, cdbs?
[10:14] <stevenj> kkathman, oh is that a good thing to do?
[10:14] <geppy> crimsun: cdbs?
[10:14] <LinuxJones> ElllisD, do you know what video card driver your using ?
[10:14] <fievel_Boldey> ?
[10:14] <xmux> Reblended: I don't think mine does either, I always just run it at the default resolution
[10:14] <geppy> crimsun: Ah, thanks. :)
[10:14] <xmux> which is 1024x768
[10:15] <Reblended> xmux ok... any glitches with your sony running Ubuntu?
[10:15] <fievel_Boldey> one person can help me
[10:15] <fievel_Boldey> ??
[10:15] <xmux> Reblended: No!  I can't fucking believe it
[10:15] <crimsun> fievel_Boldey: what issue?
[10:15] <kkathman> stevenj: steven what I did, was a hoary clean install also, and updated each day till the final release. Then I went into my sources.list and uncommented out the two lines at the top of the file that were indicated.
[10:15] <Reblended> xmux amazing... hmm I try to boot to live cd, and it hangs
[10:15] <xmux> If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.  My previous experience with linux on laptops (including this one) has not been positive at all
[10:15] <Reblended> xmux this is after I get past the first live splash...
[10:15] <FirefoxKal-linux> anyone know how to fix the screen resolution on login?
[10:16] <fievel_Boldey> ok bye
[10:16] <Xebitx> :P
[10:16] <crimsun> heh, right after I asked him what problems he's having...
[10:16] <Reblended> xmux what's your processor speed? do you notice an increase?
[10:16] <ElllisD> It's an onboard video controller- The motherboard's an Intel L440GX, I saw in Device Manager a cirrus logic device, & i think thats what it is-- where can i look to be sure- the linux device manager's way different than the one in windows im used to
[10:16] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[10:16] <abelli> crimsun: ciao
[10:16] <crimsun> abelli: ciao
[10:16] <stevenj> kkathman, however, if you want bluefish, gnomebaker, etc., you have uncomment the others at the bottom...but I don't know enough to know...if updating from there is wise
[10:16] <xmux> Reblended: I basically just dropped in the CD and after it was installed *everything* worked absolutely *perfectly* without tweaking
[10:16] <Xebitx> crimsun, in the future if I want to format and reinstall ubuntu ..Can I just save the .deb package I made and install it again?
[10:17] <abelli> anyone had problem with a sb extigy?
[10:17] <crimsun> Xebitx: if you use the _identical_ kernel, yes
[10:17] <XTC> hello, anybody can help me on openoffice?
[10:17] <Reblended> xmux that's awesome
[10:17] <geppy> crimsun: How is cdbs used?
[10:17] <Xebitx> okay I just save this log then
[10:17] <crimsun> Xebitx: otherwise you'll have to (and it's safer to) recompile it
[10:17] <xmux> Reblended: 2.66 GHz
[10:17] <LinuxJones> ElllisD, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver what does that command output ?
[10:17] <XTCboarder> i need to change the bg of the sheets....
[10:17] <Unipa1> v
[10:17] <Reblended> xmux I think my problem is a corrupted cd media... gonna burn a new disc
[10:17] <Reblended> xmux very nice
[10:17] <kkathman> stevenj: well, you just got to know the repository differences. And then just be careful what you install, and be sure you arent overwriting a previous version of something
[10:18] <crimsun> geppy: to make debs, which is what I presumed you meant by asking about debmake
[10:18] <ElllisD> LinuxJones, where do i type that?
[10:18] <stevenj> kkathman, hmm ok thanks
[10:18] <Xebitx> crimsun, btw ..I used to have the volume control sitting up in the right corner.. how to I get it back there
[10:18] <xmux> I seriously can't believe how well everything worked, my Radeon card, my touchpad, everything...
[10:18] <Reblended> xmux do you run wine as well?
[10:18] <LinuxJones> ElllisD, in a terminal window
[10:18] <xmux> Reblended: Nope
[10:18] <ElllisD> k, brb
[10:18] <kkathman> stevenj: in general you should be ok...the universe, is probably what you are referring to or possibly multiverse?
[10:18] <ElllisD> ty
[10:18] <geppy> crimsun: Right, but what are the commands for it?  I'm not finding anything 'cdbs'-related on the command-line, except for 'cdbs-edit-patch'
[10:18] <Reblended> xmux I would like to use some of my win softs as well, hmm
[10:18] <stevenj> kkathman, yes
[10:18] <crimsun> Xebitx: add it back by right-clicking on the panel, choosing Add to Panel, and choosing the Volume Control
[10:19] <stevenj> kkathman, have tried OpenOffice 2?
[10:19] <abelli> ok, no one :), so can someone please tell me what command should i use for modifying gnome's audio configuration?
[10:19] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[10:19] <crimsun> geppy: there are none. Read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/cdbs/, please
[10:19] <kkathman> stevenj: as long as the source is Ubuntu..you are fine.  but as usual, the licensing and support varies depending on what repos the package is in
[10:19] <wza> got a us robotics 1000mbps nic that ain't recognised, how do i install nic drivers on ubuntu? instructions in readme don't work
[10:19] <geppy> crimsun:  Thank you.
[10:19] <ozamosi> amblin, maybe alsamixer?
[10:19] <kkathman> stevenj: this will help you I think:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[10:19] <crimsun> abelli: the extigy is usb, correct?
[10:19] <abelli> crimsun: yes
[10:19] <ozamosi> Sorry! abelli that is
[10:19] <Reblended> xmux my videocard in my sony laptop is an intel... I wonder if that would cause problems
[10:20] <stevenj> kkathman, thanks
[10:20] <crimsun> abelli: does snd-usb-audio not function correctly with it?
[10:20] <kkathman> np, enjoy
[10:20] <abelli> ozamosi: mmm no  it's a
[10:20] <Xebitx> hmm when I press add nothing happens
[10:20] <abelli> crimsun: gimme a sec
[10:20] <crimsun> abelli: k
[10:20] <ElllisD> LinuxJones, which key is the vertical line between conf & grep?
[10:20] <abelli> crimsun: its not me, im just helping a friend.
[10:21] <LinuxJones> ElllisD, it's called the pipe symbol "shift + \"
[10:21] <abelli> ozamosi: mmm no it was something about gnome.
[10:21] <ElllisD> ty
[10:21] <bugz_> any Filipino here or from Chatsworth CA?
[10:21] <^thehatsrule^> dang
[10:21] <^thehatsrule^> i thought you said hatsworth
[10:21] <bugz_> :)
[10:21] <kengur> hi, does anyone use gstreamer-dvd plugin?
[10:22] <Xebitx> crimsun, did you have logging enabled cause I didnt :(
[10:22] <bthornton> I had to press [Ctrl]  + [Alt]  + [Backspace]  to kill X on my Ubuntu machine; however, it didn't respawn to GDM.  How can I get back to GDM (and why didn't it respawn automatically)?
[10:22] <crimsun> Xebitx: actually you can find the steps outlined on the wiki
[10:22] <Phr0stByte> Does anyone here now of a Palm OS app that will sync up with a linux accounting app? If so, what are they? Everything else is syncing quite nicely on this Ubuntu system and my new Treo PDA/phone!!!
[10:23] <crimsun> Xebitx: the forum, rather
[10:23] <crimsun> Xebitx: just search for ca0106
[10:23] <Xebitx> ok
[10:23] <ElllisD> LinuxJones, I typed (minus quotes) "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver" & got no such file or directory
[10:23] <FirefoxKal-linux> anyone know how to fix the screen resolution on login?
[10:23] <ElllisD> i used the root console
[10:23] <LinuxJones> ElllisD, drop the double quotes
[10:23] <ncp> why dont ubuntu load all NIC(eth0 eth1 eth2) when i reboot, i have to ifdown & ifup all of them to get them working?
[10:24] <ElllisD> no, i didnt use the quotes
[10:24] <crimsun> ncp: probably because "auto" is missing.
[10:24] <Xebitx> crimsun, this one? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=ca0106
[10:24] <crimsun> ncp: paste your /etc/network/interfaces onto http://pastebin.com
[10:24] <WeirdAl> Hi ... I'm having trouble booting. It stops when it gets to "Starting hotplug subsystem".
[10:24] <crimsun> Xebitx: yep
[10:24] <Xebitx> ok
[10:24] <Xebitx> thx
[10:24] <Munnu> kaljaa!
[10:24] <WeirdAl> It's a laptop
[10:25] <WeirdAl> I just rebooted because I was getting a massive list of "file system is read-only" errors.
[10:25] <WeirdAl> in the console
[10:25] <H0lyD4wg> is there a way to get a list of packages that no package depends on?
[10:25] <VladDrac> ok, I feel pretty lame asking this, but how do I install the mplayer from nerim.net under hoary?
[10:25] <LinuxJones> ElllisD, I have to go sorry dude someone else will have to give you a hand :(
[10:25] <crimsun> H0lyD4wg: that none? Use deborphan.
[10:26] <ncp> crimsun: http://www.pastebin.com/269726
[10:26] <ElllisD> LinuxJones, thanks anyway for tryin
[10:26] <WeirdAl> I can't boot the laptop now :-( It just stops.
[10:26] <LinuxJones> ElllisD, bye GL :)
[10:26] <ElllisD> ty] 
[10:26] <WeirdAl> oh
[10:26] <WeirdAl> It got past that stage.
[10:26] <WeirdAl> Took five minutes :-\
[10:26] <crimsun> ncp: just as I expected, your iface lines are missing "auto"
[10:26] <ncp> okay thnx
[10:27] <ElllisD> is anyone up to helping a total noob like me?
[10:27] <WeirdAl> I'll try!
[10:27] <WeirdAl> But I promise nothing!
[10:27] <crimsun> ncp: each interface block that you want automatically ifup'd needs to be preceded by "auto $iface"
[10:27] <H0lyD4wg> crimsun, thanks
[10:27] <ElllisD> righton wierdal ty
[10:27] <crimsun> ncp: e.g., auto eth0 ... auto eth1 ... auto eth2
[10:28] <WeirdAl> np. Go for it.
[10:28] <WeirdAl> You'll have to repeat your question cos I obv missed it.
[10:28] <VladDrac> ah never mind, got some working stuff for mplayer now
[10:28] <WeirdAl> Seeing as I can't see it :-)
[10:28] <bobesponja> can I install an ubuntu iso that is on my /dev/hda using the live cd?
[10:28] <Reblended> xmux any issues if you wanted your dialup-modem  to work?
[10:28] <ElllisD> so i just got ubuntu installed today & during the install i checked a few resolutions above 8x6, and they dont show up as choices under prefs
[10:29] <Xgates> not sure 100% on this command --> make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
[10:29] <ElllisD> WierdAl: highest i can choose is 8x6
[10:29] <Xgates> does that work running it like that?
[10:29] <WeirdAl> I assume your hardware supports it.
[10:29] <Xgates> or does kernel_image need to be replaced as something else?
[10:29] <ElllisD> WeirdAl: It did in XP
[10:29] <WeirdAl> OK
[10:29] <enkidu> hello everyone
[10:30] <WeirdAl> There's a file, but I'll have to find it.
[10:30] <mackid> ElllisD: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:30] <WeirdAl> ah well. :-)
[10:30] <ElllisD> mackid: type that into term?
[10:30] <desrt> crimsun; alsa apps can now share the card, but anything that goes through oss emulation requires exclusive access still
[10:30] <WeirdAl> Can someone tell me what's going on with my computer? Both the hotplug subsystems and Gnome take about five minutes to start.
[10:30] <WeirdAl> And most of my icons have vamooshed.
[10:30] <xmux> Reblended: I'm not sure, I've never used the modem on my notebook for anything
[10:30] <mackid> ElllisD: go through that and when you get to resolutions select the ones you want.. then ctrl-alt-bksp to restart X, go System > Preferences > Screen Resolution and your resolutions will be listed.
[10:31] <mackid> ElllisD: yes.
[10:31] <crimsun> desrt: right. You might try redefining adsp (see alsa.opensrc.org), but that usually doesn't work.
[10:31] <ElllisD> wow- k lemme try ty
[10:31] <enkidu> did anyone ever figure out what was with all the sound problems?
[10:31] <okt> Just My luck, Ubuntu is refusing to boot to the login screen. I could use some help please.
[10:31] <ElllisD> i wish kvms could see clipboards
[10:31] <Reblended> xmux thx, so no issues in the linux version of "device manager"?
[10:31] <Xgates> oh or since I'm compiling 2.6.10 run it as --->  make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 2.6.10  ?
[10:32] <enkidu> is there a way to see what kernel version is currently running?
[10:32] <xmux> Reblended: nope, it seems to be recognized perfectly
[10:32] <WeirdAl> Also my Gnome theme seems to have defaulted.
[10:32] <WeirdAl> It's now purple.
[10:32] <Reblended> xmux ty
[10:33] <ElllisD> mackid: do i want to choose not to autoconfigure since maybe during install autoconfig didnt get it right?
[10:33] <Reblended> xmux seems disconcerting to see so many asking for help... but you aren't.. that is encouraging. heh
[10:33] <kevogod> The same evilmegaman?
[10:33] <evilmegaman> yes :)
[10:33] <evilmegaman> kevogod!!!
[10:33] <evilmegaman> :D
[10:33] <mwh_> I have another wird problem .. its with synaptic .. when I install with it it displays the shell like the old synaptic in warty and I cant get it to not display the shell .. do you have a clue about what might be wrong?
[10:33] <xmux> Reblended: It was my turn to get lucky and have things 'just work'.  I've been waiting like 10 years for my turn :-)
[10:34] <evilmegaman> Wow. what a coincidence
[10:34] <kevogod> Yea
[10:34] <Reblended> xmux LOL thx for the encouragement
[10:34] <mwh_> found a solution
[10:35] <evilmegaman> Does anyone know if multiverse has the ati drivers?
[10:35] <Olliander> Hello! Any german Ubuntu-Users here?
[10:35] <T6> fglrxdrivers are in universe i think
[10:35] <mainer> re-blenede:yes,i know people want o try it immediately after install,so ask questins,but seems like most don't even try ubuntu wiki,or google,or anything except#ubuntu
[10:36] <evilmegaman> Oh Ok :) T6, do they work with the newer cards like 9600?
[10:36] <kevogod> search for "fglrx"
[10:36] <evilmegaman> ok thanks :)
[10:36] <kevogod> I'm using X300 and they work great.
[10:36] <T6> dont know, i think they should
[10:36] <evilmegaman> awesome
[10:36] <kevogod> Get the dev version as well.
[10:36] <Xgates> can somenoe please tell me would this be correct for compiling 2.6.10 -->  make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 2.6.10
[10:37] <kevogod> xorg-driver-fglrx and xorg-driver-fglrx-dev
[10:37] <Xgates> 2.6.10 I take it means the -> kernel_image
[10:37] <evilmegaman> Ok. Kevogod, Since when have you been a linux user? :P I don't seem to remember that
[10:37] <evilmegaman> thanks kevogod :)
[10:37] <mainer> xgates: you can avoid re-compiling by using synaptic to install available kernels
[10:37] <kevogod> Whenever I feel like it
[10:37] <evilmegaman> oh lol
[10:37] <Xgates> mainer, thanks I know that, that's not my question  :-)
[10:38] <desrt> wow.  this is beyond confusing.
[10:39] <_okt> Ok I really need some help, I am using Ubuntu 5.03, and I tried to boot this morning and it goes through the verbose and when the login screen is supposed to appear all that is there is a blank screen. I can't do anything. Now I have only been using Linux for a matter of days. Any help would be appreachated.
[10:39] <mainer> xgates: yes if you already did makeold_config,,menuconfigor xmenuconfig,should be,you als need a symbolic link to your build directory
[10:39] <evilmegaman> Do I get both the dev and the non dev fglrx drivers?
[10:39] <kevogod> Yes
[10:39] <sighnal> hrm. is there any deb source for mozilla-firebird?
[10:40] <evilmegaman> Thanks :)
[10:41] <Xgates> mainer, I know how to compile, BUT I'm a Slacker that has not been on a Deb system in ages, all I'm trying to figure out in this command --->  make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image   at --->  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto if "kernel_image" means to replace with the number I'm compiling which is 2.6.10 from apt-get
[10:41] <Xgates> :-)
[10:41] <Phr0stByte> Does anyone here now of a Palm OS app that will sync up with a linux accounting app? If so, what are they? Everything else is syncing quite nicely on this Ubuntu system and my new Treo PDA/phone!!!
[10:41] <ElllisD> how do i restart from the desktop?
[10:42] <melodie> hello :)
[10:42] <kevogod> System > Logout
[10:42] <WeirdAl> It's doing it again! Error message in the console is "EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Readonly filesystem
[10:42] <ElllisD> nevermind- i found it
[10:42] <WeirdAl> Heeeeeeeeelp
[10:42] <evilmegaman> after I installed the driver things, Do I need to do fglrx config?
[10:42] <Mestapheles> hey you guys hear Jeremy james got sentenced for 9 yrsfor spaming!
[10:42] <WeirdAl> I can't start a terminal or Nautilus and I can't use the console because this error is looping.
[10:43] <camcorder> I'm trying to make alsa dmix work on ubuntu
[10:43] <camcorder> but now my gnome sound events gone
[10:43] <desrt> this is beyond evil
[10:43] <mainer> xgates:  http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
[10:43] <camcorder> i made other audio apps working alright
[10:43] <kevogod> I edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:43] <kevogod> and then restarted
[10:43] <kevogod> changing ati to fglrx
[10:44] <ove> do I find the newest mozilla-firebird in any of the synaptic repositories?
[10:44] <evilmegaman> Ok kevogod :)
[10:44] <humbraro> ove, mozilla-firebird, or firefox, or thunderbird?
[10:44] <desrt> crimsun; i always thought that the oss emulation layer basically provided a /dev/dsp that went through alsa
[10:44] <humbraro> ove, they quit calling firebird long time ago iirc
[10:44] <ove> firebird
[10:45] <kevogod> Mozilla Firebird is extinct
[10:45] <ove> sorry firefox
[10:45] <Xgates> mainer, thanks I'm going to run it like this then --> make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image-2.6.10
[10:45] <melodie> does  _anyone_ here realize that 20 people ask sthg at same time while noone answers ?
[10:45] <Xgates> seems to be correct
[10:46] <zoso_kubuntu> kevogod: let me know if you have any luck, I've been struggling with my ATI card all day.
[10:46] <Xgates> melodie, LOL
[10:46] <skora> melodie, yeah
[10:46] <kevogod> I've been playing UT2004 with my ATI card. I'm pretty sure it's fine. :-)
[10:46] <melodie> ;)
[10:46] <zoso_kubuntu> kevogod: which card?
[10:46] <Xgates> yep big Linux IRC channels can be like this
[10:46] <kevogod> X300
[10:47] <skora> the general irc equiette is if you dont know the answer or not interested, dont respond.
[10:47] <zoso_kubuntu> hmmm
[10:47] <skora> so, there isn't tons of people saying
[10:47] <skora> i dunno
[10:47] <skora> nm
[10:47] <skora> no idea.
[10:47] <skora> sry, cant help
[10:47] <melodie> what's the clue with these ATI cards ? I've seen some pilots for them
[10:47] <ermo> or 'who cares?!?'
[10:47] <kevogod> What's the clue?
[10:47] <Xira> doing a dist-upgrade to final
[10:47] <Xira> wish me luck
[10:47] <Xira> ;O
[10:47] <mwh_> Hi, after upgrading to hoary I cant get my apps to use sound properly
[10:47] <Xgates> or lets see oh YEAH ----- . RFTM
[10:48] <Xgates> Lmao
[10:48] <Olliander> @mwh_ Which card?
[10:48] <kevogod> That'll teach you to stay up-to-date
[10:48] <Xgates> RTFM .....
[10:48] <mwh_> I need to disable esd for half the apps to play sounds
[10:48] <Xgates> hehe
[10:48] <mainer> xgates: then if you used 2.6.10 source from kernel.org,re-name the kenelto something like 2.6.10_custom1 or anything else besides 2.6.10.sorry,didn't understand initail question
[10:48] <mwh_> and I need to enable esd of the other half to play sound
[10:48] <mackid> rtfmp
[10:48] <evilmegaman> I changed xorg.conf where it the device was ati 9600 and driver "ati" I changed it to driver "fglrx"
[10:48] <mackid> i like that better
[10:48] <mwh_> Olliander: the card is working allright I guess
[10:48] <ElllisD> i just went through the screens that "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" brought up, restarted, and all it changed was that it added a higher refresh rate to my resolution choices, 8x6 is still the highest i can choose....... i know the card'll do 1024 in xp.  what do i try nexty?
[10:48] <evilmegaman> Is that all I need to do?
[10:48] <melodie> skora: I know about uses on chans, but better uses is to wait and let people get an answer : and not rush wildly  :))
[10:48] <kevogod> That's all I did
[10:48] <mwh_> Olliander: its just that some apps does not seem to work with esd
[10:48] <mackid> RTFMP (read the f****ing manpage)
[10:49] <mwh_> for example mplayer wont play if esound is enabled
[10:49] <evilmegaman> okydoky kevogod :) Is there a way to check what driver my gfx card is using?
[10:49] <Xgates> mainer, yeah what I wanted to know was the word ---> "kernel_image" in that command if you kept it, changed it or added onto it
[10:49] <kevogod> You'll have to reboot X or your computer for it to take effect
[10:49] <crimsun> desrt: yes, but some cards permit a separate /dev/*dsp1
[10:50] <Xgates> mainer, either way it seems at that location in the cmd it can be anything as that seems to me what will be the kernel name
[10:50] <crimsun> desrt: it can be fairly complicated
[10:50] <mainer> keep it as kernel-image,but has to be different than the source version # used,like 2.6.10-c1,etc.,etc.
[10:50] <evilmegaman> brb
[10:50] <brosio> how could i upgrande only xserver-xorg ?
[10:50] <Xgates> mainer, ok
[10:51] <_okt> anyone willing to lend a hand?
[10:51] <_okt> Ok I really need some help, I am using Ubuntu 5.03, and I tried to boot this morning and it goes through the verbose and when the login screen is supposed to appear all that is there is a blank screen. I can't do anything. Now I have only been using Linux for a matter of days. Any help would be appreachated.
[10:51] <epicenter> Is there something special about compiling software for AMD64 Hoary?
[10:51] <ermo> ElllisD, is your monitor detected correctly (or relatively modern)?
[10:51] <epicenter> I get a LOT of build errors
[10:51] <Xgates> mainer, ok so this looks cool then yeah -->  make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image-2.6.10-01
[10:51] <melodie> brosio: sudo apt-get install whatyouneed
[10:51] <crimsun> epicenter: not really. Granted, a lot of software isn't 64-bit safe.
[10:51] <desrt> crimsun; indeed.
[10:51] <elllisd_> ermo-  i dont know how to verify any of that? i've only used linux for an hour
[10:52] <mwh_> Olliander: I guess that mplayer, tuxtype and others are using the sound directly, what do I need to setup to make them use         esound?
[10:52] <brosio> melodie, i what to upgrade only a package not install
[10:52] <desrt> crimsun; the real solution would be for idiot software projects to smarten up and use alsa
[10:52] <ermo> ElllisD, oooh. Ok.
[10:52] <elllisd_> its a modern mon, tho
[10:52] <crimsun> desrt: unfortunately programming for ALSA directly can be a pita.
[10:52] <desrt> flash*cough*player
[10:52] <ermo> ElllisD, up for some editing in your favourite text editor?
[10:52] <ermo> ElllisD, and some googling?
[10:52] <Zugot> all of a sudden, i can't ping localhost
[10:52] <crimsun> desrt: frankly, I'd much rather people use JACK
[10:52] <memnips> i have a bizarre issue.  i have a quicktime .mov file (a bmw film if you know em), and I just tried watching it in totem-xine.  It plays fine, however, there is apparently multiple audio tracks, one a director's commentary and the other the audio to the film.  anyway i can control which audio track I here?
[10:52] <melodie> _okt: I try helping you if you want
[10:52] <memnips> i didnt even know that was possible, and on windows/mac it plays the other one by default i guess.
[10:53] <desrt> well
[10:53] <elllisd_> ermo, sure.... (i wouldnt be afraid in xp, why am i now?)
[10:53] <desrt> i guess i can run aoss firefox
[10:53] <ermo> ElllisD, there might be a better way that I happen to not know, but if you indulge me, I'm positive I can help you :D
[10:53] <desrt> i imagine it doesn't slow things down too severely
[10:53] <elllisd_> ermo- thats bold of you
[10:53] <ermo> ElllisD, hehe
[10:53] <ermo> elllisd_, anyhow: what monitor do you have?
[10:54] <elllisd_> <--- proud that i figured out how to get into chat from ubuntu
[10:54] <elllisd_> ermo, dell e770s
[10:54] <nullaresnata> Hello, I have weird subtitles on xine (they're big and half offscreen).
[10:54] <ermo> elllisd_, allright. I'll check the performance of that monitor. Just a sec.
[10:54] <nullaresnata> Any ideas how to solve this?
[10:55] <memnips> anyone have any idea on controlling multiple audio tracks in mov files?
[10:55] <Simian> Hi just installed ubuntu last night
[10:55] <mwh_> anyone know how to get apps which tries to access the sound device to use esd instead?
[10:55] <cu> what about breezy badger repos? are they to be set up any time soon?
[10:55] <Xgates> mainer, errr : --> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image-2.6.10-01
[10:55] <Xgates> Error: Unknown target kernel_image-2.6.10-01
[10:55] <Xgates> crap
[10:55] <mwh_> right now half the apps is trying to use the sound device directly instead of using esd
[10:55] <elllisd_> simian, me too, but today
[10:55] <crimsun> mwh_: lsof
[10:56] <ermo> elllisd_, back. What card do you have?
[10:56] <Simian> do you all stick with the sudo thing or do you open a root account?
[10:56] <mwh_> crimsun: lsof
[10:56] <cu> Simian: sudo is fine
[10:56] <ermo> elllisd_, your monitor should be able to do 1024x768285Hz
[10:56] <ermo> s/2/@/
[10:56] <Xgates> hmm maybe I need to remove the word "kernel_image" and just make it 2.6.10-01 instead
[10:56] <Simian> i'm getting used to it
[10:56] <elllisd_> ermo, i think its a cirrus logic- its onboard the intel l440bx mobo..... gimme a sec the specs are on my xp machine
[10:56] <bretzel> hi all
[10:56] <mainer> xgates: should be fine,yes
[10:56] <mwh_> hey bretzel
[10:57] <ermo> Xgates, like so: make-kpkg --revision 1 kernel_image <- in your kernel source directory
[10:57] <elllisd_> ermo, id be happy w/ that
[10:57] <ermo> Xgates, 'kernel_image' is your 'target' definition. It will build the kernel, the modules and package it for you in a .deb file in /usr/src
[10:57] <ploum> Hello
[10:57] <ploum> seb128, a new bug for you ;-)
[10:58] <ploum> #8926
[10:58] <bretzel> Anyone whoinstalled the official release of Ubuntu can tell me if is worth it to install from scratch my updated array-cd 5 ?
[10:58] <Xgates> ermo, I'm in the /usr/src/linux path
[10:58] <Xgates> mainer, not working
[10:58] <bretzel> oops "over my array-cd 5 "
[10:58] <seb128> ploum: a new package grabbed on an another repository breaking your setup ? :p
[10:58] <ermo> ElllisD, what computer do you have? (brand/make/model #)
[10:59] <Xgates> ermo, ok sorry 'kernel_image' is what I'm lost on here, do I change that to something?
[10:59] <ElllisD> Intel L440GX+ mobo, dual PIII 850's, 1G RAM, 80G & 160G HDD's in a Dell case
[10:59] <ploum> seb128, :p !!!
[10:59] <seb128> ploum: no bug with this number according to bugzilla
[10:59] <ploum> I've cleaned all thoses stuff
[10:59] <Xgates> ermo, this is what I ran in /usr/src/linux ---->  make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image-2.6.10-01
[10:59] <ploum> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8916
[10:59] <Krys^^> I can't seem to get sound working on my laptop. Can anyone help me? I can play a mp3 file, but no sound comes out!
[11:00] <ermo> Xgates, try writing 'make-kpkg --targets' <- that should give you an understanding of what kind of argument 'kernel_image' is
[11:00] <seb128> ploum: <ploum> #8926
[11:00] <Xgates> ermo, ok
[11:00] <ploum> sorry !
[11:00] <ermo> Xgates, drop the '=' (equals) sign
[11:00] <seb128> ploum: you gave me the wrong number on purpose ? :p
[11:00] <ermo> Xgates, replace it with a ' ' (blank)
[11:00] <ploum> seb128, no a package brokes my key "1"
[11:00] <ploum> from another repository
[11:00] <ElllisD> ermo, found what the vid controller is
[11:00] <seb128> ploum: that's a bugzilla.ubuntu.com bug
[11:00] <ermo> ElllisD, ok
[11:00] <seb128> ploum: that does that with firefox too
[11:01] <seb128> ploum: and I get the bug only on this website
[11:01] <Xgates> ermo, I was reading that from here --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[11:01] <ElllisD> ermo, Cirrus Logic CL-GD5480 64 bit VGA chip contains an SVGA controller
[11:01] <ElllisD> that is fully compatible with these video standards
[11:01] <ploum> seb128, I've this bug on ubuntuforums too
[11:01] <REWind> Have anyone noticed that the Sun Java JRE doesn't work anymore with Hoary 5.04, it worked for a few days ago, but not anymore.. been reinstalling and jabbing around with it now for a while!
[11:01] <ploum> but if you have it with firefox, it's maybe a gecko bug
[11:01] <crimsun> REWind: it works fine for me.
[11:01] <memnips> anyone know how i can improve video playback performance?  I have a 1.5ghz pentium M and yet divx/xvid/mpeg playback is jerk and the audio is out of sync.
[11:01] <seb128> ploum: I'm reassigning to them, let's see what he says :)
[11:02] <REWind> crimsun, what version do you use?
[11:02] <Euler> hello
[11:02] <seb128> s/them/thom/
[11:02] <crimsun> REWind: 1.4.1 from IBM
[11:02] <Euler> I just boot ubuntu live for the first time
[11:02] <Xgates> ermo, you mean run it as --> make-kpkg --revision''custom.1.0 2.6.10-01
[11:02] <Euler> marvellous
[11:02] <crimsun> memnips: try using alsa directly instead of esd
[11:02] <Euler> I am very very happy :)
[11:02] <wjesusaxl_> hey guys do you know where can I get the kernel-source-2.6.8
[11:02] <memnips> crimsun, how do i do that? =)
[11:02] <ploum> seb128, I just in the mood : "report every little bug you see if you want them fixed someday"
[11:02] <cusco> Hi all! Is anyone here using irssi?
[11:02] <wjesusaxl_> it's not at hoary's repository
[11:02] <cusco> does anyone has anyproblem whith the charset?
[11:02] <ermo> Xgates, make-kpkg --revision 1 kernel_image
[11:02] <Euler> yes
[11:03] <crimsun> memnips: pkill esd, then watch the movie
[11:03] <Xgates> ermo, ok
[11:03] <ghostfreeman__> ok guys
[11:03] <Euler> I know where u can get kernel-source-2.6.8
[11:03] <wjesusaxl_> where at?
[11:03] <ghostfreeman__> I had some sort of fatal crash in KDE
[11:03] <ermo> Xgates, or, rather, do a 'make-kpkg clean' first
[11:03] <ghostfreeman__> and now I can't access my default profile in Firefox
[11:03] <seb128> ploum: good, feedback is welcome (if you say than you have installed bogus libs from somewhere else :p)
[11:03] <crimsun> Euler: don't use kernel-source, that's Debian. Use linux-source.
[11:03] <ghostfreeman__> what can I do to correct this error
[11:03] <REWind> crimsun, even if I tried to figure out how to download the IBM one.. I never find a way, but I learned something, both of the two other java kits for Linux is just copies from Sun anyways.. so why choose them? and why can't the 1.5.0-02 work?
[11:03] <crimsun> Euler: e.g., linux-source-2.6.10
[11:03] <mainer> xgates:  dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -b,did you try it??
[11:03] <wjesusaxl_> yeah I'm on ubuntu
[11:04] <crimsun> REWind: I use IBM's because it's tuned for my applications.
[11:04] <ghostfreeman__> hello, I need some help urgently
[11:04] <mainer> xgates:have to do grocerys,b.b.l
[11:05] <ermo> ElllisD, ok. fire up a gnome-terminal
[11:05] <pvh> I was feeling masochistic so I called Netgear to ask for some linux support.
[11:05] <REWind> crimsun, something like that I learned aswell, IBM was talking alot of their java but in conjunction of their products.. but for rest of us there must be a way to get the SUN to work, especially now when it work for a few days ago!!
[11:05] <Euler> who is working on ubuntu here ?
[11:05] <pvh> The weird thing is that I seem to be getting acutal linux phone support.
[11:05] <REWind> Euler, most of us aren't we?
[11:05] <evilmegaman> ok here's a dumb question... how do I use .debs?
[11:05] <JaZy84> can anyone help me setup sound?
[11:05] <mrWoot> I want to transfer a file from my linux hdd to my windows (ntfs) hdd. I get "write permission" error. What can I do?
[11:05] <Euler> because I have a stupid question to ask
[11:06] <REWind> ask then!
[11:06] <Euler> I was use to work on Mandrake Linux 10.1
[11:06] <ermo> elllisd_, did you fire up a gnome-terminal yet?
[11:06] <elllisd_> ermo, ill try
[11:06] <frank> mrWoot you cant do that
[11:06] <Euler> first time I use ubuntu
[11:06] <JaZy84> mrWoot do you have premissions on windows drive
[11:06] <JaZy84> ?
[11:06] <zoso_kubuntu> mrWoot: NTFS writes are disabled by default, because they usually corrupt the target filesystem.
[11:06] <frank> Writing to ntfs is not supported
[11:06] <elllisd_> ermo, i found a root terminal will that work
[11:06] <wjesusaxl_> Euler: I'm on ubuntu
[11:06] <elllisd_> ?
[11:06] <crimsun> REWind: please explain what sort of issues you have.
[11:06] <wjesusaxl_> what should I donwload?
[11:06] <JaZy84> i thought it was supported threw the kernel. isn't it expermental?
[11:06] <REWind> evilmegaman, have you tried dpkg -i and your .deb file...
[11:06] <mrWoot> So how do i transfter from harddrive to harddrive?
[11:06] <zoso_kubuntu> Yeah, as in 'Use at your own risk'
[11:06] <Euler> have u install it, or are u using the live version ?
[11:07] <frank> mrWoot you need a FAT partition if you want something readable and writibale by linux and windows
[11:07] <evilmegaman> nope :P I have never used a deb file before
[11:07] <mrWoot> o.o
[11:07] <wjesusaxl_> I installed
[11:07] <ermo> ElllisD, i'd prefer if you did a 'Applications->System Tools->terminal'
[11:07] <wjesusaxl_> ot
[11:07] <wjesusaxl_> it
[11:07] <evilmegaman> thanks rewind
[11:07] <Xgates> ermo, I did the make-kpkg clean already :-)
[11:07] <Euler> my stupid question is : what is the root password when we load from live ubuntu ?
[11:07] <mrWoot> I can't do a 250gig harddrive as a FAT
[11:07] <Euler> root is disable
[11:07] <Euler> ?
[11:07] <elllisd_> ermo, i got a term up w/ a $ at the end- zat what u mean?
[11:07] <elllisd_> k- got that
[11:08] <frank> its the prompt
[11:08] <wjesusaxl_> Euler: Ubuntu is installed
[11:08] <ermo> elllisd_, yup
[11:08] <GhostFreeman> I need help here
[11:08] <Euler> ok so u cannot help me
[11:08] <Euler> wjesusaxl
[11:08] <GhostFreeman> I cant access default in Firefox anymore
[11:08] <wjesusaxl_> yeah
[11:08] <frank> is anyone here running cedega in a 32bit chroot?
[11:08] <ermo> elllisd_, there's a nice little notepad-like editor called 'gedit'. start it with super-user (root) privileges with 'sudo gedit'
[11:09] <Euler> I type su
[11:09] <elllisd_> <--- dislikes being back at the bottom of the learning curve
[11:09] <Euler> and after
[11:09] <Euler> what is the password ?
[11:09] <wjesusaxl_> kwrite is better
[11:09] <bobesponja> can I do a net install of ubuntu with a floppy?
[11:09] <cusco> Hi... I'm using irssi... Im having this little char encoding problem! I would like to have iso8859-15 ... has Im allways having this weird chars:    
[11:09] <elllisd_> ermo, i dunno what that means- can i find it in a apps menu?
[11:09] <IRCGuest0> how can i contribute to ubuntu?
[11:09] <chillywilly> emacs!
[11:09] <cusco> is enyone having the same problem with hoary?
[11:09] <IRCGuest0> Its up to us to build capital for the linux markets
[11:10] <IRCGuest0> to beat out microsoft
[11:10] <IRCGuest0> let a free os prevail, power to us! :)
[11:10] <Euler> I love ubuntu
[11:10] <IRCGuest0> euler me too
[11:10] <crimsun> IRCGuest0: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[11:10] <IRCGuest0> crimsun:  Thanks.........
[11:10] <GhostFreeman> I'm not getting any help here
[11:10] <REWind> crimsun, I downloaded the sun for a few the week before last, installed the rpm through alien, went fine and fast! made a symb.link to my home/.moz.. you know... my online banking started to work! Lovely, now for a few days ago my bank online stoped to work, I complained of course, but after the nasty email I noticed that the test on Sun's homepage didn't work aswell. .followed the instructions for troubleshooting the problem with Sun and
[11:10] <REWind> got nothing wiser about that... read this site "https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15" and learned that the latest version of Java doesn't work under Hoary, but I know it did for a few days ago, the problem that have accured must be able to be solved without downgrading my java that is my issue..
[11:10] <ermo> ElllisD, type 'sudo gedit' in the terminal you just opened
[11:10] <wjesusaxl_> does anybody know the repository which contains kernel-source 2.6.8
[11:11] <ubuntu__> what's the command to gzip a folder so i can ftp it
[11:11] <epicenter> Is there something special about compiling software for AMD64 Hoary?
[11:11] <epicenter> I get a LOT of build errors
[11:11] <ermo> Xgates, any luck?
[11:11] <crimsun> wjesusaxl_: why are you asking for kernel-source-2.6.8?
[11:11] <elllisd_> ermo, k- done
[11:11] <desrt> ubuntu__; tar czvf folder.tar.gz folder
[11:11] <ermo> ElllisD, now, you need to open the x.org configuration file. it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:11] <AilleantSian> I have just got the drivers on win into ndiswrapper and installed them in the ndiswrapper thing ... what do i have to do next to get my network card to be seen ?
[11:11] <desrt> will create folder.tar.gz out of the folder
[11:11] <wjesusaxl_> crimsun: because it's the one I'm using and I need the sources to compile it
[11:11] <crimsun> wjesusaxl_: Warty shipped with 2.6.8.1, the sources of which are available in linux-source-2.6.8.1
[11:11] <ubuntu__> thanks desrt
[11:12] <bretzel> Hey this is great to register a nickname! now no one can take mine ( I guess :-) )
[11:12] <crimsun> wjesusaxl_: Hoary shipped with 2.6.10, the sources of which are available in linux-source-2.6.10
[11:12] <elllisd_> ermo, how do i copy text from the scrolling chat in x-chat?
[11:12] <crimsun> wjesusaxl_: Ubuntu does not support any other version.
[11:12] <ermo> ElllisD, 'X' is the piece of software that handles drawing on linux/unix (usually)
[11:12] <sighnal> hm. can i use warty packages on hoary?
[11:12] <IceRogu1> hi all, how do i kill a frozen app in x?
[11:12] <frank> ellisd just select it and middle click in bar
[11:12] <melodie> elllisd_ elllisd_  elllisd_
[11:12] <sighnal> IceRogu1: xkill
[11:12] <desrt> IceRogu1; just press the close button
[11:12] <ermo> ElllisD, simple mark the text in xchat with the left mouse-button, move the pointer to your terminal window and then 'middle-click'
[11:13] <wjesusaxl_> which version is not supported by ubuntu? 2.6.8. or 2.6.10
[11:13] <desrt> IceRogu1; in a few seconds, it will prompt you if you want to close it
[11:13] <wjesusaxl_> ???
[11:13] <bretzel> And I've solved my nfs mount problem :-) -- none nfs common utilities was installed... thus now it takes no time to mount ...
[11:13] <elllisd_> melodie melodie melodie
[11:13] <REWind> Euler, did you get your issue solved or do you want some help on the way?
[11:13] <melodie> select+mouse wheel
[11:13] <elllisd_> ermo, etc, then where from there?
[11:13] <ermo> elllisd_, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:13] <memnips> hey crimsun, killing esd did fix the problem it seems.  what does that mean?  and how can I make esd automatically not start?
[11:13] <melodie>  select+mouse wheel : <- the answer :))
[11:13] <Euler> I haven't yet read the help of ubuntu, I guest I can find the answer, but if u can help me , I would be very glad
[11:14] <elllisd_> ermo, ty- got it to paste, but i cant paste it into the open document part so im in thet ree
[11:14] <frank> memnips what was the problem?
[11:14] <Mestapheles> what do I do with a ibook whose screen went black after going to sleep?  It's still on AFAIK because the caps lock light still lights up
[11:14] <memnips> frank, all my video playback was jumpy and the sound was somewhat outta sync.
[11:14] <Euler> wjesusaxl , where are u located ?
[11:14] <Euler> in USA
[11:14] <Euler> Europe or Africa ?
[11:14] <wjesusaxl_> South America
[11:14] <REWind> Euler, the main diffrent from Redhat (I suppose that Mandrake is simular) with ubuntu in the area where you are talking is that there is no root account how wierd it can sound..
[11:14] <elllisd_> ermo, i have a (giant) notepad doc open
[11:15] <nufan> Anyone help with editing the fstab file?
[11:15] <REWind> Euler, the thing is that nowone "may" use the root, you have do sudo everything and the sudo may only priviliged users do
[11:15] <frank> nufan what do you need?
[11:15] <nufan> I'm on an eMac
[11:15] <melodie> Euler : are you looking for your password ?
[11:15] <Euler> thanks REWind
[11:16] <Euler> no melodie
[11:16] <Mestapheles> it's still blc after comming uot of sleep.  kill X doesn't work or I cant tell if it worked
[11:16] <nufan> I just need to tell it to mount the Mac OS X partition every time it loads
[11:16] <ermo> elllisd_, does it look like a configuration file?
[11:16] <REWind> Euler, the first user you create will have thos priviliges so the only thing you need to do when you configure something and they as for superuser rights is to sudo and type your normal password.
[11:16] <REWind> Euler, your welcome!
[11:16] <memnips> so what is the ESD process exactly and how can I keep it from starting?
[11:16] <wjesusaxl_> Euler: is it ok to set up kernel 2.6.7? because that's the one I just downloaded
[11:16] <elllisd_> yup its x11 conf
[11:16] <elllisd_> xorg.conf rather
[11:16] <AilleantSian> i am so lost ! :(
[11:16] <ermo> search the file for the 'monitor' section
[11:16] <REWind> crimsun, what do you think about the java issue?
[11:16] <nufan> I was going to add this line in after the /dev/hda3 line
[11:16] <memnips> REWind, what java issue?
[11:17] <Reblended> Ok.. if the next live cd doesn't work on my vaio... I'm gonna shelve Ubuntu for 5 months
[11:17] <elllisd_> ermo, got it
[11:17] <nufan> /dev/hda5       /               hfsplus    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:17] <Xgates> ermo, ---> root@ubuntu:/usr/src# ls
[11:17] <Xgates> kernel-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[11:17] <Euler> ftp://ftp.efrei.fr/pub/mirrors/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.8/
[11:17] <Xgates> :-)
[11:17] <frank> nufan you probably should mount it somewhere else
[11:18] <melodie> Euler I type su Euler and after
[11:18] <nufan> Oh
[11:18] <melodie> Euler what is the password ?
[11:18] <Euler> :)
[11:18] <melodie> so what's your question ?
[11:18] <Euler> read REWind
[11:18] <memnips> anyone: so what is the ESD process exactly and how can I keep it from starting?  killing it improved my video playback.
[11:18] <ermo> Xgates, congrats!
[11:18] <nufan> Yeah, I just C+P'd the line above it, changing the hda and type
[11:18] <REWind> memnips, if you read a bit further up you will see my issue.. I wrote a novel so please read the text up there...
[11:18] <nufan> /dev/hda5       /mnt/macos               hfsplus    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:18] <ermo> elllisd_, ok. what does it say?
[11:18] <FR500> hello
[11:18] <ermo> elllisd_, is it about 4-5 lines?
[11:19] <nufan> Is that right?
[11:19] <melodie> ?
[11:19] <Xgates> ermo, NOW one more, LOL, I thought running make-kpkg was going to do -->  mkinitrd
[11:19] <elllisd_> ermo, Identifier	"Dell E770s"
[11:19] <elllisd_> 	Option		"DPMS"
[11:19] <elllisd_> 	HorizSync	28-64
[11:19] <elllisd_> 	VertRefresh	43-75
[11:19] <elllisd_> 	Modeline	"1280x800@60" 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841
[11:19] <elllisd_> EndSection
[11:19] <nufan> frank?
[11:19] <marcin_ant> hello people
[11:20] <marcin_ant> short question
[11:20] <REWind> Euler, did I miss something? It goes so fast so it's difficult if you don't get your name called! ;)
[11:20] <Xgates> ermo, but in /boot its still the same .img file, do you know how to run 'mkinitrd' I'm not sure of the cmds
[11:20] <Xgates> hmm
[11:20] <FR500> oss sound doesnt work
[11:20] <frank> nufan im not an expert but it looks good
[11:20] <FR500> how do i fix it?
[11:20] <nufan> I'll try it, thanks
[11:20] <marcin_ant> is there any software to view 3gp files?
[11:20] <Euler> no u miss nothing, melodie ask me what is the su password
[11:20] <marcin_ant> on ubuntu linux of course
[11:20] <nufan> FR500: What programs have you tried to run it with?
[11:20] <frank> nufan save it. mkdir /mnt/macos   then  mount -a
[11:20] <Reblended> < can I get the live CD to run at a higher resolution than 1280x? my laptop won't digital scale so I have a border... I need 1400x
[11:20] <FR500> quake2
[11:20] <Euler> so I told to read u answer
[11:21] <FR500> but the media systems selector test doesnt work either
[11:21] <Euler> sorry for my bad english by the way
[11:21] <ermo> elllisd_, HorizSync should be 30-70 and VertRefresh should be 50-160
[11:21] <elllisd_> k brb
[11:21] <wjesusaxl_> hey Euler...
[11:21] <nufan> frank already made /mnt/macos, no idea what mount -a means (sorry)
[11:21] <Euler> yes wjesusaxl, did u install the new kernel ?
[11:21] <wjesusaxl_> I'm downloading kernel-source-2.6.8.orig.tar.gz
[11:22] <elllisd_> ermo, just screwed up by not having numlock on- gotta reopen it now- brb
[11:22] <wjesusaxl_> what's that orig?
[11:22] <FR500> nufan, quake2, but the "Media systems selector" says error when i try with oss
[11:22] <FR500> only esd works
[11:22] <frank> nufan  in a console  type:     sudo mount -a      to see that partition
[11:22] <nufan> I've mounted /dev/hda5 a few times, but I want to make it automatic
[11:22] <melodie> Ok Euler I saw your question
[11:22] <majic> is there a dvd edition of 5.04?
[11:22] <Reblended> it fits on a cd?
[11:22] <frank> FR500 I have a similar problem
[11:22] <REWind> Euler, no worries about that! I suppose half of us is non natvie speakers! We have to see it from that perspective! :)
[11:23] <pvh> I installed a new wireless card because my old one didn't work properly. This one seems mucked up too!
[11:23] <FR500> frank, found how to fix it?
[11:23] <Euler> have a look here, for the origin http://www.efrei.fr/
[11:23] <majic> Reblended, yeah I know that. I have the cd but supposedly there is a DVD with alot more extra packages
[11:23] <pvh> It shows up in iwconfig as "NOT READY!" and it's called eth1 instead of wlan0...
[11:23] <Reblended> majic ah
[11:23] <majic> but I can only find 5.04 preview
[11:23] <Euler> :)
[11:23] <nufan> frank OK I did that, not sure where the partition is
[11:23] <elllisd_> ermo, changed values.... save?
[11:23] <nufan> Another question: When is the badger Array 1 going to be released?
[11:23] <frank> Fr500 no.   I run cedega in a 32bit chroot and the sound doesnt work well
[11:24] <ermo> elllisd_, definitely ;)
[11:24] <FR500> hmmm
[11:24] <elllisd_> sweet- that wasnt too hard
[11:24] <ermo> elllisd_, also, go check the 'screen' section.
[11:24] <frank> nufan    cd /mnt/macos    or browse there    you should see thoses files
[11:24] <St0n3-C0l> do anybody uses Gentoo here :P
[11:24] <elllisd_> ermo, oops, closed already
[11:24] <pvh> Can anyone help explain why it doesn't work?
[11:24] <Reblended> is there ubuntu support for someone without net access?
[11:25] <nufan> frank: those files were already there
[11:25] <gaio> anyone with sb extigy problem?
[11:25] <Xira> Wow
[11:25] <Xira> The new Ubuntu Hoary final theme rocks
[11:25] <Xira> :D
[11:25] <elllisd_> ermo, "Screen"
[11:25] <elllisd_> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[11:25] <elllisd_> 	Device		"Cirrus Logic GD 5480"
[11:25] <elllisd_> 	Monitor		"Dell E770s"
[11:25] <elllisd_> 	DefaultDepth	24
[11:25] <elllisd_> 	SubSection "Display"
[11:25] <wjesusaxl_> Euler:... yeah I saw that... so what that means?
[11:25] <elllisd_> 		Depth		1
[11:25] <elllisd_> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x854" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[11:25] <frank> nufan: then it works
[11:25] <elllisd_> 	EndSubSect
[11:26] <ermo> elllisd_, ah, stop pasting, please
 in a glade gnome application
 the toolbar -- how do i add things to it
[11:26] <kbrooks> Anyone?
[11:26] <elllisd_> sorry
[11:26] <memnips> What is ESD and how can I make it die forever?  Anyone? =P  Killing that process improved (fixed, really) my video playback.
[11:26] <nufan> frank: I know that doing it manually every time works :) I want to know if using fstab to do it automatically will screw up my system
[11:27] <ermo> elllisd_, ok. The point is that you have the prerequisite stanzas in your config file. Ok.
[11:27] <ermo> elllisd_, did you save already?
[11:27] <Xgates> does this look correct run in /boot ---> mkinitrd -o -k ./initrd.img-2.6.10 2.6.10 ?
[11:27] <elllisd_> ermo, i guess i really do have to reboot for it to work huh
[11:27] <ermo> elllisd_, (and do you have 16, 24 and 32 depth sections)
[11:27] <Reblended> elllisd_ rats... I need 1400x1050 (my vaio lcd won't scale)
[11:27] <elllisd_> yup- & the new values were there when i reopened it
[11:27] <frank> nufan: it will be done automatically at boot now. and it cant screw up the system. If you get no errors after   mount -a   then fstab is good
[11:27] <ermo> elllisd_, not really. Wanna learn a little something?
[11:27] <FR500> is there a way to make sdl use ESD?
[11:27] <elllisd_> reblended- i'll email you somma my unused resolutions
[11:28] <nufan> frank: OK thanks, to check will I need to restart or simply log in again?
[11:28] <elllisd_> ermo, absolutely
[11:28] <Reblended> elllisd LOL ?
[11:28] <frank> nufan you need to restart I think
[11:28] <melodie> Euler : http://www.framasoft.org
[11:29] <melodie> Ubuntu forum  :)
 in a glade gnome application
 the toolbar -- how do i add things to it
[11:29] <Reblended> is there a problem with Ubuntu running at 1400x1050?
[11:29] <kbrooks> Anyone
[11:29] <frank> FR500: I dont't know. Just to know, are you using AMD64 or not?
[11:29] <FR500> no
[11:29] <ermo> elllisd_, ok. You can switch consoles. X is on your console #7
[11:29] <Xgates> ok this worked -->  mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-1-686 /lib/modules/2.6.10
[11:29] <elllisd_> ermo, i have 4 desktops(?) by the clock- zat what u mean?
[11:30] <elllisd_> ermo, not clock, trash
[11:30] <ermo> elllisd_, to change TO a text-mode console from X, use the keys <CTRL>+<ALT>+F1 (that will take you to the first text console). To change back to X, press <ALT>+F7
[11:30] <ermo> elllisd_, try it a few times
[11:31] <elllisd_> alt f1 gets me the applications menu to drop & alt f7 turns the mouse cursor to an x
[11:31] <frank> ellisd  shift + alt
[11:32] <elllisd_> ...just tried ctrl alt f1&7 & see it
[11:32] <elllisd_> afraid to try shift alt f1
[11:32] <ermo> elllisd_, ok. Now, in the text console you reached with alt+f1, try to login
[11:32] <Euler> I know already this site http://www.framasoft.org, melodie, thx
[11:33] <elllisd_> ermo, i switched back to whatever this gui is w/ the x-chat window & theres still no change in resolution choices
[11:33] <elllisd_> k brb
[11:33] <Euler> wjesusaxl, for other kernel, have look here ftp://ftp.efrei.fr/pub/mirrors/linux/kernel/v2.6/
[11:33] <FR500> ElllisD, try ctrl alt backspace
[11:34] <elllisd_> ermo- $ tells me i have mail
[11:34] <spades> Reblended: running 1400x1050 just fine
[11:34] <elllisd_> fr500- whats that do?
[11:34] <FR500> restarts xserver
[11:34] <ermo> elllisd_, hehe.
[11:35] <elllisd_> ????
[11:35] <ermo> elllisd_, now, your graphical environment is a process, just like the console you just logged into
[11:35] <elllisd_> fr500 is xserver the shell?
[11:35] <T5> is there already an inotify enabled (>=0.21) kernel available for hoary?
[11:35] <elllisd_> ermo, right.
[11:35] <ermo> elllisd_, follow me, not FR500 - I'll walk you through it
[11:35] <FR500> ElllisD, remember windows 3.1? you could exit windows and then type win back to go to windows again
[11:35] <elllisd_> k
[11:35] <FR500> ermo, jealous?
[11:35] <FR500> p
[11:35] <FR500> lol
[11:36] <elllisd_> fr500- all the way up to 98se....yup
[11:36] <FR500> ElllisD, same basic idea
[11:36] <elllisd_> fr500- 31 did it w/o rebooting?
[11:36] <Xgates> brb
[11:36] <FR500> yes
[11:36] <elllisd_> cool
[11:36] <Reblended> spades oh whew.. ty.. I just read about installing linux on sony was a nightmare (http://paleo.amnh.org/bjburger/installing-vaio.html) I'm gonna take a leap of faith here and give Ubuntu a try, eventhough I really want to use my macromedia programs and I'm not sure how this is gonna all turn out
[11:36] <AndyR> can anyone help me with a rio600 using rioutil please?
[11:37] <ermo> elllisd_, now, in your console, you can restart your X (or, rather, your display manager)
[11:37] <elllisd_> ermo, what do i do with the $ prompt in the text
[11:37] <elllisd_> ermo, i can step aside into textland, and restart this gui from there?
[11:37] <ermo> elllisd_, you write 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' <- that will restart your X-session. Don't press enter yet, though
[11:37] <elllisd_> ermo, hope theres a clipboard there
[11:38] <memnips> anyone know how i configure xine to go through esd as opposed to directly through elsa?
[11:38] <ermo> elllisd_, precisely. But you need to log out of your graphical shell.
[11:38] <ermo> elllisd_, copy it to a piece of paper instead.
[11:38] <FR500> ermo, just a question, isnt crtl alt bksp same thing?
[11:38] <ermo> elllisd_, on a side not, restarting your other system services is done the same way 'sudo /etc/init.d/<servicename> restart'
[11:38] <steffen> could someone tell me what the hottest filesharing program is right now ?
[11:38] <ermo> FR500, not quite.
[11:38] <elllisd_> ermo, quotes?
[11:39] <ermo> elllisd_, no quotes
[11:39] <elllisd_> k
[11:39] <FR500> ermo, why??
[11:39] <ermo> FR500, because it doesn't clean up. It just kills the X server
[11:39] <FR500> ok
[11:39] <elllisd_> ermo, typed....
[11:39] <ermo> FR500, a list resort, if you will
[11:39] <FR500> kk
[11:40] <Fackamato> bah
[11:40] <ermo> elllisd_, all right. Log out of your X session, switch to text mode, press enter, go back to X, login ... and voila! you should be set :)
[11:40] <Fackamato> is there an archive for an .ace decompressor
[11:41] <elllisd_> ermo, so the logon screen is part of the shell called x?
[11:41] <Fackamato> unace!
[11:41] <ermo> elllisd_, actually, it's a process that connects to X
[11:42] <ElllisD> ermo, k i'll understand that later, then
[11:43] <robertj> my wife wants to sync her Documents folder with her usb disk when it is plugged in, any ideas on how to do that?
[11:43] <ElllisD> ermo, by connects, does it talk on ports or launch like a batchfile?
[11:43] <ElllisD> dunno what you mean
[11:44] <robertj> ie, it runs a two-way rsync whenever she hotplugs the device
[11:44] <ermo> ElllisD, don't worry about it now. When you get a nice 1024x768 display I'll throw you a link. First things first, ok?
[11:44] <elllisd_> ermo, dunno if im just used to it but screen looks larger
[11:45] <geppy> How can I get GDM to play with xfce?
[11:45] <elllisd_> ermo, nope still cant choose but 8x6
[11:45] <Reblended> where can I get the quicktime MOV codec?
[11:45] <qopi> hello :)
[11:45] <elllisd_> gedit's still huge..... bummer
[11:46] <Reblended> I need qtvr too
[11:46] <Xira> anyone get luminosicty working under ubuntu?
[11:46] <qopi> i've finally got annoyed enough with not having multimedia and followed the excellent intructions at http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt to get mplayer up and running
[11:46] <qopi> but now i have a problem
[11:46] <qopi> my sound card seems to have problems
[11:46] <ermo> elllisd_, hehe. try opening /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a gedit
[11:47] <elllisd_> ermo, opened
[11:47] <elllisd_> characters as big as my head
[11:47] <Euler> I jyst create a new account, with admin privilege
[11:47] <Euler> but I cannot mount
[11:47] <Euler> ?
[11:48] <ermo> elllisd_, search for 1024x768
[11:48] <floater> if I install kerne-source package, should I have kernel header files in /usr/src/kernel* and kernel-source files at /usr/src/linux?
[11:48] <Euler> only ROOT can mount
[11:48] <qopi> anyone know why my soundcard very occasionally works (and I hear the drums at log-in screen), but nearly always doesn't (i just hear clicks when I try to listen to sound - like I always do when during start up drums before login screen)
[11:48] <ermo> elllisd_, (we're checking what the X server says about your resolutions)
[11:48] <apokryphos> Euler: not true
[11:48] <crimsun> floater: you should be using linux-headers-$(uname -r) and linux-source-2.6.10 ...
[11:48] <qopi> >
[11:48] <qopi> ?
[11:48] <Euler> yes I don't know why
[11:49] <elllisd_> ermo under supported vesa modes
[11:49] <Euler> I have this answer
[11:49] <floater> hmm
[11:49] <Euler> in Ubuntu Live 5.04
[11:49] <Euler> I cannot mount anything
[11:49] <Euler> why ?
[11:50] <ermo> elllisd_, does it report using the cirrus logic driveR?
[11:50] <icebalm> because you didn't add "user" to the flags in fstab for the mount point
[11:50] <camcorder> my web fonts sucks, even htough i have MS true type fonts
[11:51] <icebalm> that's too bad
[11:52] <elllisd_> ermo, i dont know quite what that indication would look like, but there's the word cirrus at the front of each line in that area
[11:52] <Xgates> crap when I try to reboot the new kernel I'm getting:
[11:52] <Xgates> kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[11:52] <ermo> elllisd_, that's the indication you are looking for :)
[11:52] <elllisd_> ermo, good news.....
[11:52] <Xgates> I ran 'make-kpgk' and I have a .img file and I left the default options for the FS as they where
[11:52] <Xgates> so not sure what else is needed in the kernel to get past this
[11:53] <ermo> elllisd_, look for something that looks like this: (--) RADEON(0): Virtual size is 1152x864 (pitch 1152)
[11:53] <ermo> (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1152x864": 121.5 MHz, 77.5 kHz, 85.1 Hz
[11:53] <Xgates> man recompiling a kernel in Ubuntu sure is a pain
[11:53] <Xgates> err :/
[11:54] <Mike> can I install ubuntu, easily, without X, for example
[11:54] <gumpish> Is there a torrent for the release?
[11:54] <apokryphos> Mike: course
[11:54] <apokryphos> gumpish: yes. torrents.ubuntu.com for a full list
[11:54] <Mike> apokryphos: how?
[11:54] <gumpish> thnx
[11:54] <Reblended> apokryphos: the link is 404
[11:55] <gumpish> Hmmm, host not found
[11:55] <apokryphos> Mike: what is it you're trying to do? Just install Ubuntu?
[11:55] <Euler> ok i solve my problem
[11:55] <Mike> basically, want to make a headless server
[11:55] <apokryphos> Reblended, gumpish: torrent.ubuntu.com sorry
[11:55] <Reblended> ty
[11:55] <Mike> want to use ubuntu instead of debian
[11:55] <apokryphos> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ is best
[11:55] <Euler> I really love ubuntu
[11:55] <elllisd_> ermo, i dont see anything like virtual size, but i see a lot of modes it wont use due to insufficient memory & even more cuzza bad clock/interscan
[11:56] <apokryphos> Mike: dist-upgrading from there isn't really supported but there have been a few success stories
[11:56] <jabra> anyone used radmind?
[11:56] <Mike> nah, I'm gonna do a fresh install
[11:56] <elllisd_> ermo, not using default mode 1024x768 cuzza memory tho
[11:56] <apokryphos> Mike: ok
[11:56] <Mike> just wondering if I can unbloat ubuntu, because it's difficult with fedora
[11:56] <apokryphos> Mike: unbloat? It's hardly bloated.
[11:56] <apokryphos> and only one CD ;-)
[11:56] <ermo> elllisd_, ok. Change defaultdepth to 16 instead of 24/32
[11:56] <jabra> well I comes with xorg
[11:56] <elllisd_> ermo, virtual size is 8x6!!!!
[11:56] <ermo> elllisd_, in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:57] <elllisd_> k
[11:57] <ermo> elllisd_, well, there you have it then.
[11:57] <jabra> /s/I/it
[11:57] <Mike> apokryphos: I've been sold
[11:57] <ermo> elllisd_, try changing the virtual size to 1024x768. How much video memory does your card have?
[11:57] <gumpish> apokryphos: Why are there 2 of each iso, with one slightly smaller than the other?
[11:57] <Xgates> anyone recompile a kernel with success?
[11:57] <jabra> ya
[11:57] <apokryphos> Mike: just make sure you go for Kubuntu :P
[11:58] <Xgates> Im not sure what I removed that would effect Ubutun booting up, certainly what I have in the kernel.conf would work in Slackware
[11:58] <Euler> everything is working
[11:58] <Mike> apokryphos: if it's got no X surely it doesn't matter
[11:58] <pune> hey I'm having trouble configuring SynCE
[11:58] <elllisd_> ermo, i dont see where to change the virtual size- -you referring to in the log?
[11:58] <dj28> does anybody know if there is a way to change the font size in gedit
[11:58] <Xira> dj28, yes
[11:58] <spades> Mike: just run expert-custom or custom-expert as the boot option and it will install base system
[11:59] <IceRogue> Has anyone had issues with xmms under hoary?
[11:59] <ermo> elllisd_, no, the config file
[11:59] <dj28> Xira, oh i found it
[11:59] <Xgates> say anyone good with the kernel in Ubuntu can look at my .config that I redid to tell me what it is missing for Ubuntu?
[11:59] <dj28> right in front of my face
[11:59] <Xira> k
[11:59] <blizah> anyway to get alsa and esd working friendly together in hoary?
[11:59] <crimsun> IceRogue: I haven't. Make sure it's set to use esound.
[11:59] <apokryphos> gumpish: hm, good question; I really don't know. Which one are you looking to install i386?
[11:59] <gumpish> Yep.
[11:59] <elllisd_> ermo, video's onboard- id have to look at the mobo to tell what its got, i think it uses the sdram, & theres a G there
[11:59] <Euler> I will install ubuntu on my HD
[11:59] <Euler> :)
[11:59] <crimsun> blizah: sure. Set it to at least release the device after an idle period.
[11:59] <pune> does anyone know anything about SynCE?
[11:59] <Dekkard> nuffin like a fresh install..
[11:59] <jabra> it is a setting in the preferences
[12:00] <apokryphos> Mike: ohh, you want no X at all. Erm... well, you could uninstall I guess. :D
[12:00] <spanglesontoast> what do you lot know about amiga?