[12:43] <cartel_> guys do we have kiosk admin tool packaged?
[12:46] <Riddell> cartel_: nope, maybe kalyxo do, it's definatly something we want
[12:48] <cartel_> hmm
[11:59] <keugenesan> hi all, who can help me with understanding kubuntus Sound Serevr scheme?
[01:41] <Riddell> keugenesan: it's just the same as standard KDE
[02:08] <archster> can someone point me to a change log .. from kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso - 30-Mar-2005 00:22  584M ** to **  kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso - 07-Apr-2005 07:18  572M
[02:13] <Riddell> archster: hoary-changes mailing list
[02:21] <archster> tnx
[02:30] <archster> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-April/date.html  <-- that isn't exactly the kind of change log I'm looking for
[02:31] <archster> I just need the diff between the 2 releases kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso and kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[02:34] <Riddell> well all the changes are sent to hoary-changes
[05:36] <Kamion> archster: there is no useful changelog other than package uploads
[05:37] <Kamion> I'm afraid that a lot does change in a week, even the final week leading up to a release
[06:18] <archster> Kamion: I was looking for something like http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 .. as I was looking for the changes to the live cd doing "just do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" as was one suggestion .. just won't do it
[06:19] <Kamion> archster: that changelog looks pretty much like what could be generated by catting all the hoary-changes mails together
[06:20] <Kamion> (ok, the latter is more verbose)
[06:21] <archster> maybe you could suggest *buntu create a web page with that info .. for the masses?
[06:21] <Kamion> I don't think the page you quote is remotely "for the masses" TBH
[06:22] <Kamion> the changelog entries are available in a friendly form via update-manager
[06:22] <Kamion> (in Ubuntu, probably not Kubuntu yet, dunno)
[06:22] <archster> it's a very evident click here link on their pages .. as opposed to joining a developers list is what I meant
[06:22] <Kamion> that's why update-manager exists
[06:23] <archster> if u have it installed yes? what about if ur using the live cd?
[06:23] <Kamion> the changelog entries for a whole distribution are just far too verbose for normal people to read in total
[06:23] <Kamion> the only thing it's sanely possible to do for normal people is to create a release-announcement-style summary
[06:23] <archster> ok I just wondered the diff in mar 30 to apr 8
[06:24] <Kamion> by running a preview release you're implicitly agreeing to act a bit like a developer ;)
[06:24] <archster> I already had the one burned when I find there is another version
[06:24] <archster> lol
[06:25] <archster> this is about like knoppix .. I burn it one day and they release a new one the next
[06:26] <Kamion> fast-moving development's like that - we only release *stable* versions every six months though
[06:26] <archster> yea but both releases I hve seen say 5.04  
[06:26] <archster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/current/
[06:26] <archster> kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso            30-Mar-2005 00:22  584M
[06:26] <archster> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[06:26] <archster> kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso            07-Apr-2005 07:18  572M
[06:27] <archster> same with the live ones ..
[06:27] <Kamion> only the -5.04- ones are final releases
[06:27] <Kamion> notice that the release candidate doesn't say that
[06:27] <archster> oh well no big deal I guess just get to the store and buy more cd's ;-\
[06:28] <Kamion> I've removed the 'current' symlink from /kubuntu/releases/hoary/
[06:28] <Kamion> it's still there as .../rc/
[06:28] <archster> might also tell distro watch the links
[06:29] <archster> I hd started there with all this 2 days ago
[06:31] <Kamion> distrowatch's link on the front page appears to be current
[06:31] <archster> the deal was I had part of this stuff downloaded when a power outage reset my box .. so I had to start again .. and then I got to digging and was totally confused as I has the march 30 stuff and then wanted to know if the diff was worth anothe 4 cd download (ubuntu and kubuntu)
[06:32] <Kamion> rsync
[06:32] <archster> to download the april 8 stuff
[06:32] <Kamion> yes, use rsync to just get the differences
[06:32] <Kamion> although for a week it might still take a while
[06:32] <archster> hmm the names are different would rsync work?
[06:33] <archster> there is only 12mb diff
[06:33] <Kamion> if you give the target name explicitly, yes
[06:33] <Kamion> that's the diff in *size*, plenty in the remaining 572MB changed though
[06:33] <Kamion> bit of a rash assumption to think that it's just 12MB tacked onto the end ;)
[06:34] <archster> lol my mind is getting more confused by the min .. I'll just redownload it all and go to store for more cd's .... this 5.04 is the last stable thing for a month or so isn't it?
[06:34] <archster> well I figured 12 mb of diff vs of something
[06:35] <Kamion> I've mailed distrowatch asking them to correct the link on http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu
[06:35] <archster> when do u anticipate the next release?
[06:35] <Kamion> releases are every six months like clockwork
[06:36] <archster> k so I got 6 mo to run the april 8 one .. that's worth it
[06:43] <archster> yea I got all 4 started and they are the april 6,7 or 8 releases
[06:43] <archster> tnx for clearing it up for me
[06:52] <Kamion> np
[08:06] <Riddell> Qerub: is Korundum partof kde bindings or out on its own?
[08:12] <Qerub> Riddell: kdebindings
[08:12] <Qerub> Riddell: i guess it was disabled to let kdebindings into main?
[08:13] <Qerub> i suppose a source package can't have binary packages in both main and universe?
[08:13] <Riddell> Qerub: it can
[08:13] <Qerub> then i can't see why it was disabled.
[08:15] <Qerub> can you? :)
[08:15] <Riddell> no idea I'm afraid, haggai made kdebindings
[08:16] <Qerub> yer...
[08:39] <Kamion> Qerub: Riddell's right, but: if one binary package is in main then its source package is in main; if a source package is in main then all its build-dependencies must be in main
[08:39] <Kamion> Qerub: so, if some *build*-dependency from universe was required for Korundum, then that may have been disabled for that reason
[08:42] <uniq> kdebindings source is in universe.. 
[08:44] <Qerub> Kamion: Mmkay. And that build-dependency was probably Ruby :-)
[09:20] <haggai> Qerub: that's right, I was asked not to pull ruby into main
[09:22] <Qerub> Mhmhm. What a pity.
[09:24] <haggai> Qerub: it was a bit close to release time.  I expect we could put it in for breezy
[09:43] <Beineri> How reliable are Torrent stats? :-)  22% of the Hoary downloads were Kubuntu
[11:10] <stonedcoder> Riddell you about?
[11:11] <Riddell> cartel_: a bit
[11:18] <AMIGrAve> hum I switched from gnome to KDE for many years now and I still uses xchat. Are you all using konversation ?
[11:19] <Riddell> secretly we use irssi but don't tell that to cartman
[11:19] <AMIGrAve> :)
[11:22] <AMIGrAve> i've used bitchx a long time ago and got so used to black bg that my eyes hurts when I fist opened konversation :) (I guess it takes 5 second to set up colors for black bg anyway)
[11:24] <cartel_> does konversation support python scripting?
[11:24] <cartel_> what about ksirc?
[11:25] <Riddell> ksirc is some weird c++ wrapper around a perl script, my first ever patch to KDE was to make it beep