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apokryphosSpookyET: and keep just kubuntu-desktop stuff?12:01
SpookyETthen i'll install the base gtk and figure out to fix gtk-qt for firefox12:01
apokryphosshould note that it'll remove firefox etc.12:01
apokryphosok12:01
apokryphosThen you can use the debfoster command12:01
_ReDRuM_SpookyET: ubunto-desktop is just a metapackage - that means it doesnt contain anything except a couple of documents and it *depends* on all of the things you want to remove12:01
apokryphosPyre: tell SpookyET debfoster12:02
PyreSpookyET: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2440312:02
_ReDRuM_debfoster? woooo new command :)12:02
\sh_ReDRuM_: no..i need it for a package12:02
_ReDRuM_\sh: that is the right directory12:02
_ReDRuM_SCENARIO 5)You want to remove all of kde and kubuntu and go back to ubuntu-desktop <--- that's a bit backwards :P12:03
SpookyETisn't it a little late for debfoster?12:03
\sh_ReDRuM_: i can't install a .desktip for a global system wide kde package in $HOME12:03
_ReDRuM_debfoster also kills orphans like deborphan12:03
_ReDRuM_(so the docs say) so it should still be useful to you12:04
_ReDRuM_\sh: ..............12:04
_ReDRuM_what you said when you came in this room \sh - that is the right directory.12:04
\sh_ReDRuM_: ok...forget what I said 12:05
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_ReDRuM_22:57]  <\sh> ./usr/share/apps/kwin ?12:05
Tm_Twtf, I have 3 irssi running in different places :p12:05
\sh_ReDRuM_: ok..if this is the right location, why linitian is warning me, that it is the wrong place?12:06
_ReDRuM_i have no idea what linitian is but its lying12:06
\shi mean the test of lintian for desktop files is quite stupid12:06
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apokryphossorry, was d/c -- likely missed any comments addressed to me (if any were made)12:07
_ReDRuM_yeh your right that apropis guy he really is...12:07
_ReDRuM_... oh HI aprokyphos :)12:07
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Tm_Tah, I forgot, that xorg.conf ...12:07
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Tm_Tjust a second ->12:08
CloneyRight, I've got Kubuntu up to Xorg level in Virtual PC, but the screen's knackered.12:08
_ReDRuM_apokryphos: room was strangely silent :)12:08
apokryphoshehe12:08
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\shriddell: ping 12:11
andrewskiTm_T: lol, i just came back to check.  i didn't have to scroll up. :P12:11
Tm_Theh12:11
Tm_Tjust a moment, I put it on web12:12
_ReDRuM_Cloney: none of us have experience with virtual PC :)12:12
_ReDRuM_sorry12:12
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apokryphos_d/c *again*12:13
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CloneyNo problem. I'm trying to hotswitch resolutions with Ctrl+Alt+- on the login screen, but it's not working.12:14
_ReDRuM_Cloney: try editing xorg.conf and changing the Driver "whatever" bit where it says your display to vga12:14
CloneyA good idea, but it's never offered to let me set a root password. Time I read the manual, perhaps ^^12:16
_ReDRuM_sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:16
_ReDRuM_it doesnt want to let you set the root password because it assumes if you cant work it out you shouldnt be using root :)12:16
_ReDRuM_you can get around it by typing sudo passwd12:17
_ReDRuM_that lets you set a root pass12:17
CloneyAh, right. I'm used to setting it at install time.12:17
_ReDRuM_also - some people think root shouldn't have a password and should remain locked12:17
_ReDRuM_i think they get few if any real benefits from it but i understand their reasoning :)12:18
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CloneyHmm, I'm confused here - I need a root password to set the root password.12:18
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_ReDRuM_Cloney: sudo wants your user password not root password12:19
Tm_Tandrewski: http://xob.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/xorg.conf.temp12:20
andrewskiTm_T: thanks...12:20
Tm_Tandrewski: not yet fully configured but works fine in my box12:20
andrewskiTm_T: well, i'll compare modules/options with mine.12:21
Tm_Tdo that12:21
andrewskiTm_T: FWIW, how old is your card?12:21
_ReDRuM_fx 570012:21
Tm_Tyes12:21
Tm_Tquite new12:21
andrewskiTm_T: i wonder if that's the problem.12:21
Tm_Tuhm?12:21
_ReDRuM_andrewski: i got official drivers working on a geforce 440 MX12:21
andrewski_ReDRuM_: with compositing in kwin?12:22
andrewski_ReDRuM_: how old is that card?12:22
_ReDRuM_several years12:22
_ReDRuM_2001 ?12:22
Tm_Tyes, something like that12:22
Tm_Tgf2 :p12:22
andrewski_ReDRuM_: mine too.12:22
andrewski_ReDRuM_: so there's hope. :P12:22
andrewski_ReDRuM_: so you have compositing?12:23
_ReDRuM_i dont know what it is so i have no idea :)12:23
andrewski_ReDRuM_: hmm, because i can use kde with it disabled.12:23
_ReDRuM_i couldnt even get into X at all with the card at first12:23
_ReDRuM_had to mess around with it loads12:23
_ReDRuM_what is compositing12:24
_ReDRuM_i could find out later12:24
Riddell\sh: pong12:24
andrewski_ReDRuM_: real transparency and such.12:24
Tm_Tandrewski: "real"12:24
_ReDRuM_how do you know if its on and not being done by software12:24
\shRiddell: 5 minutes ?12:24
Tm_T_ReDRuM_: I bet you can tell when you try12:25
CloneyHmm. Looks like X just isn't happy in Virtual PC.12:25
andrewski_ReDRuM_: xorg.conf, section "Extensions"12:25
andrewskiTm_T: true. :P12:25
andrewskiTm_T: hmm, i thought you were supposed to disable dri?12:25
_ReDRuM_i dont even have it on on this system12:25
_ReDRuM_so undoutably - i didnt have it on on the other one :)12:26
andrewski_ReDRuM_: you should try.  maybe it'll work for you. :P12:26
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_ReDRuM_i will when its not busy12:26
_ReDRuM_im building disk images with it12:26
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andrewskiTm_T: maybe it's "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"12:27
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andrewskiTm_T: i had that on, but it is known to cause bugs. :P12:27
ubuntuhi12:27
andrewskiTm_T: oh, no... i had it commented out.12:27
andrewskibrb!12:28
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_ReDRuM_andrewski: perhaps this might be helpful? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769&page=112:30
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andrewski_ReDRuM_: perhaps.  theoretically, i know how to enable it, but it freezes.  likely nvidia's fault. ;P12:32
_ReDRuM_heh12:32
_ReDRuM_anything else i should know before i restart X to see what this looks like on me ATI?12:32
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Tm_T_ReDRuM_: pray hard and long12:33
_ReDRuM_lol12:33
andrewski_ReDRuM_: yeah.12:33
apokryphos_ReDRuM_: composite?12:33
Tm_Tand pay me ;)12:33
apokryphosIt's just really slow; unusable.12:33
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_ReDRuM_brb :)12:34
andrewskiapokryphos: well, on old systems....12:34
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g4m8i7Where does smbpasswd write the password flies to?12:35
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_ReDRuM_it says both of the extensions are unknown options :/12:37
_ReDRuM_any suggestions?12:37
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gabe123can someone tell me where icons are stored? for example, i'm looking for the icon for beep-media-player12:41
Tm_Tgabe123: start looking from /usr/share12:41
Tm_Toh come on, use find if you can ;p12:42
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seven_six_twoanyone know if ed2k or any donkey clc would be available in any of the ubuntu repositories?12:43
seven_six_twoor kubuntu?12:44
seven_six_twonot that i mind building it by hand. I thought i'd save time by asking before i add more repositories and search for it again12:45
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_andrewskiTm_T: hard freezing going on. :P12:46
_andrewskiTm_T: damn latest drivers.  i don't understand why the ubuntu devs updated to them.12:47
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Tm_Thaha12:53
Tm_Tnvidia working fine :p12:53
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neomI have a freaking strange problem here.01:06
neomFriend of mine installed redhat on his laptop.01:06
neomDidn't know how to use it, reinstalled windows.01:07
neomSystem starts, and GRUB sits and hangs.01:07
neomNo disk drive.01:07
neomUnable to boot from a bootable CD.01:07
neomSuggestions?01:07
tekstart over, boot into a knoppix disk (assuming you have one) and run this01:07
tekdd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/hda bs=51201:08
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tekthat will get rid of the partition table and then you can reinstall windows or wahtever your wanting01:08
neomI can't get it to read a bootable CD though.01:08
ownerhmmh, a good number of people in #kubuntu01:08
apokryphosowner: even more earlier ;-)01:09
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tekthen get a boot floppy, toms rootboot disk should do it01:09
loren:) apokryphos01:09
neomno floppy drive, laptop. :\01:09
apokryphoshi :)01:09
tekwill it boot from a usb key?01:09
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aprill2khow do i make a Desktop link that will run as root in KDE?01:09
lorenanyone in here do any music recording on Kubuntu?01:10
Riddellaprill2k: try adding this to it  X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true01:10
apokryphosaprill2k: add kdesu to the command01:10
tek<neom> can that system boot from a usbkey?01:11
aprill2kok, thanks01:11
infodroidneom: isn't there a parameter you can pass to the boot loader? like noxxx?01:11
neomI can't get it to boot from anything.01:11
neominfodroid - I was wondering about that, I didn't know what to tell it though.01:11
tekwhat is the bootloader on it, grub or lilo? and what is the laptop01:11
neomgrub01:12
neomtoshiba a40\01:12
aprill2kloren, try audacity01:12
tekwell you should be able to get it to boot then, hold on i have a grub tutorial on one of my websites that will walk you through it01:12
infodroidneom: one sec i can look it up for yuo01:12
neomtnx01:12
tekhttp://linuxdojo.net/index.php?option=news&task=viewarticle&sid=10301:13
tekarticle is called get your grub on01:13
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infodroidneom: have you tried adding pci=noacpi to the grub line?01:14
tekinfodroid beat me to it... lol01:14
neomI can't get to the drub config.01:14
infodroidhehe01:15
neomThe laptop starts, and then GRUB comes up, and it hangs.01:15
tekthere is also a hyperthreading issue on some systems don't remember the incantation01:15
neomAnd thats it.01:15
infodroidneom: its weird that grub itself hangs01:15
tekht=off or something like that01:15
neomHe fucked the second stage start when he installed windows over it, I suspect.01:15
tekwell that article i pointed out goes over how to repair grub as long as you boot to a grub prompt it will get you up and running01:16
tekas long as you didnt hose any of the linux partitions.01:16
neomI can't get a grub prompt.01:16
tekwindows is mutually hostile to every other OS out there.01:16
infodroidi haven't used the new versino of the livecd, i just installed kubuntu. in general, using grub, you press "e" and then you can edit the boot line.01:17
tekthen my friend you are truly ..... hosed.01:17
tekyou need to be able to boot from something or at least into a grub prompt01:17
tekhow can you not boot from a cd yet were able to install anything?01:18
teki would start by checking out your settings in the bios to make sure that is not what is preventing you from booting into the cd01:19
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neomI can't get to the bios either.01:19
DooDhi guys01:19
neomI'm tying to find a circuit diagram for it.01:19
DooDI installed kubuntu and my jedit doesn't work anymore neither on gnome nor kde01:19
neomSo I can find the cmos batt.01:19
DooDany idea how I could fix it01:19
tek<neom> you need to boot from a cd, if you were able to install windows or redhat or ....ANYTHING... you had to be able to boot from a cd to do that. check your cd on another system to make sure you have a bootable cd to begin with. 01:23
neomWhat happened is, he has some stupid toshiba password thing set on startup.01:24
neomAnd because of it, I can't select the device to boot from.01:24
tekmost laptops i have opened up do not have a bios reset pin that i have seen. only desktops or servers... which in thinking about it is kind of strange01:24
tekoh, LOL, i have a friend who did something as stupid as that, encrypted his HD then promptly forgot his password he incrypted it with.01:25
DooDnoem: press f1201:25
neomDooD dosn't work.01:25
neomTried it.01:25
tektop of the line crypto there.01:25
DooDnoem: did you try the customer support on toshiba01:25
DooDnoem: I'm sure there's a way to reset the password01:26
tektoshiba tech support. 01:26
DooDnoem: if i remember right they even have a software you can access their setup from01:26
teknot going to do you any good if you can not boot from a cd right?01:26
tekyou need to reset the bios which it sounds like he has knackered up really good and locked himself out for extra good measure01:27
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kkathmanLeeJunFan: welcome :)01:33
LeeJunFanhello.01:33
ithielhello lee01:37
Tm_TLee o/01:40
Tm_Thttp://xob.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/capture_kapsi.png01:41
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JaZy84can someone help me setup my soundcard?01:46
ithielFFS01:46
tekL8tr people,got to get back to the real world01:46
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darkauditahoy hoy01:48
Tm_Thullo01:48
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LWATCDRHello all I have a minnor problem. My audio seems to have stopped working.01:56
LWATCDRIt worked fine under Gnome but under KDY nothing is comming out the speakers?01:56
LWATCDRKDE that is01:57
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theandrewskiLWATCDR: do you have arts running?  and in which apps are you trying?02:02
LWATCDRNever mind I got it fixed. I went to the KDE Center and  manualy set the sound system to OSS.02:02
LWATCDRI had tried XMMS and Kconversations notifies.02:02
LWATCDRtheandrewski:  is there a way to move between KDE and GNOME?02:03
theandrewskiLWATCDR: logout?02:03
theandrewskiLWATCDR: what do you mean specifically?02:04
LWATCDRWhen I   log out It does not give me an option for GNOME anymore02:04
theandrewskiLWATCDR: in gdm?02:04
LWATCDRJust default, KDE, and failsafe.02:05
theandrewskioh yeah, this is #kubuntu02:05
theandrewskiLWATCDR: hmm, what's /usr/share/xsessions list?02:05
LWATCDRactually I installed Ubuntu and then did an upgrade to Hoary then did an apt-get kbuntu-desktop02:06
LWATCDRI use SuSE at work but thought I would give Ubuntu a try since I heard so much good stoff.02:06
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verden01HI02:08
LWATCDRall that is there is kde.desktop02:08
theandrewskiLWATCDR: hmm, h/o02:08
LWATCDRin usr/share/xsessions02:08
theandrewskiLWATCDR: is gnome-session installed?02:08
LWATCDRI never uninstalled gnome.02:10
LWATCDRBut it is not in the directory.02:10
theandrewskiLWATCDR: lol, well of course then!02:10
theandrewskiLWATCDR: install gnome!02:10
LWATCDROkay but I had nome.02:10
LWATCDRBut I had nome.02:10
theandrewskioh, sorry misread!02:10
LWATCDRGnomme02:10
theandrewskii read "i never installed gnome." :P02:10
LWATCDRIt is okay I can not type type today.02:10
LWATCDRNew keyboard.02:11
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theandrewskiLWATCDR: check on the status of gnome-session.  that's the package that 'owns' the gnome.desktop file.02:11
LWATCDRand now would I do that?02:11
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theandrewskiLWATCDR: which would you prefer: synaptic/kynaptic or the CLI?02:12
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LWATCDRcli02:17
LWATCDRI am used to the command line02:17
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theandrewskiLWATCDR: ok.  'apt-get install gnome-session'.02:17
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theandrewskiLWATCDR: install it if it's not already.02:18
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Tm_Tandrewski: thank you, now I know how I can add manually sessions into KDM session list =)02:27
andrewskiTm_T: well, that's also true. :P02:27
Tm_Tandrewski: 'cause I compiled fluxbox and now I can add it easily, just look hows kde is there :p02:28
Tm_Tandrewski: I almost done it that way but I thought it's not that way =)02:29
andrewskiTm_T: yup. ;)  i did that a while back with xfce 4.2 before it was in the reps.02:29
Tm_Tel stupido02:29
LWATCDRThanks it is there now02:29
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Tm_Tdarkaudit: you sure it's configured correctly?02:29
darkauditTm_T: I'm not sure. I haven't found anything in .xsession-errors that would suggest something was wrong02:30
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SpookyEThi02:38
SpookyETI modified xorg.conf to include 1600x1200; why doesn't kde's desktop config not show it in the dropdown?02:38
Tm_TSpookyET: oh, your display don't support such02:45
Tm_Tlook from errorlogs02:46
SpookyETmy display supports it02:46
SpookyETi'm typing this from 1600x1200 75Hz from windows02:46
Tm_TX thinks it doesn't02:46
SpookyETHow do I tell it that it does?02:46
Tm_Tlook from errorlogs02:46
Tm_Tthere you find the answer02:46
SpookyETwhere is it saved?02:47
Tm_Thmm, don't remember... try find xsessionlog etc02:47
Tm_Tsomewhere in /var I think02:48
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SpookyETxorg.0.log02:49
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SpookyETI wish there was a repository of xorg.conf files:-)02:51
SpookyETI have a KDS Visual Sensation 19sn02:51
mEESYlo folks. was wondering if anyone could help me out with a wee problem i've got here. Just installed kubuntu on a different computer to this one, and am no getting any sound. when i try to play a cd through kscd, it says 'error getting freedb entry' . i also tried going into control centre > sounds+multimedia>sound system .. and the sound system is definately enabled.02:52
crimsunSpookyET: kds has monitor specs on their web site02:52
mEESYi just ran kInfoCenter and it seems like the soundcard has been installed. its an onboard card btw. kinfocenter says ' Installed drivers : Type 10 : ALSA emulation'02:53
mEESYhowever lower down, it says 'synth devices : not enabled in config' and also 'midi devices : not enabled in config'.02:54
mEESYdoes any1 know how i can resolve this sound problem?02:55
Tm_TmEESY: maybe your volumes are down or muted?02:55
SpookyETKDS VS-19sn02:55
Tm_Tkds?02:56
Tm_Tah, yes02:56
Tm_TmEESY: and you propably don't need hardware midi/synth, so it's irrelevant02:57
mEESYlol.. i have thought of that. i turned up my volume02:57
mEESYon my speakers , and through kmix02:57
mEESYi think it has something to do with the error i get that says 'error getting freedb entry'02:58
Tm_TmEESY: nope02:58
mEESYtho i dont actually know what that means. lol02:58
SpookyETmax 1600x1200 76Hz02:58
Tm_TmEESY: it have nothing to do with playback, it's just trying to get tracknames from internet02:58
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mEESYoh right, lol.. that computer is not connected to the internet02:59
Tm_Tok, so irrelevant errormessage02:59
Tm_TmEESY: check cables02:59
Tm_Tensure that its in right jack03:00
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Tm_Thmm03:00
mEESYk.. will do03:00
Tm_TI learn to use english better with you =)03:01
darkauditany idea where I'd config the musicbrainz settings? Amarok is giving the same error.03:02
Tm_Tdarkaudit: maybe the service is offline?03:03
Tm_Tdarkaudit: I never use it so I don't know03:03
darkauditnope... the ppl in #musicbrainz say the service is up03:03
Tm_Tok then03:03
Tm_Tconfigs are broken03:03
Tm_Tsee amarok setup03:04
mEESYwell, all cables are fine, i have tested with my headphones in too, still get the same thing! no sound. have turned everything in kmix up to full too!03:05
Tm_Thmm03:05
Tm_TmEESY: try play some mp3 or other03:06
mEESYwell i just went into control center > sounds and multimedia > sound system and clicked on 'test sound' and got nothing. same when i click on test 'midi'03:07
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mEESYits a strange problem really, as before using kubuntu on that computer, i installed mepis, and the sound worked, but all of a sudden i got an error that said 'cpu overload, sound system shutting down'03:07
mEESYthen again, mepis ran VERY slowly for some reason, however this seems to run just fine03:08
darkaudithmm... libmusicbrainz2 *and* libmusicbrainz4 are installed...03:09
phxguyis it possible to make konversation have a semi-transparent background?03:09
Tm_Tphxguy: ah, don't use konversation, buggy and bloat03:11
Tm_Tphxguy: use irssi ;p03:11
phxguyworks fine for me Tm_T 03:12
phxguyat least for the moment03:12
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smouchephxguy, I don't think you can do that with konversation, but with x-chat you can.03:12
Tm_Tyuk03:12
Tm_T=)03:12
Tm_Tamarok <303:12
Tm_Tbut mplayer <3<303:13
phxguysmouche: yeah i know you can in X-chat but i have a problem getting the colors right in it03:13
Tm_Tit's ugly :/03:13
phxguyTm_T: if you have alink ill check it out03:13
Tm_Tphxguy: irssi.org03:13
Tm_TI bet he won't use irssi =)03:14
smoucheI know, phxguy, it's tricky.   Mostly white text with a dark semi-transparency over not too fancy wallpaper helps for me...03:14
Tm_Tsmouche: pic?03:15
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Ciushi03:16
smoucheTm_T, stop busting our chops.  why would you want a pic of something "ugly".  irssi rocks, yes, I know, but I have other stuff to learn on my plate first...03:16
CiusI have a question about running multiple WMs under kubuntu.03:16
phxguyirssi is funny it all these *themes* for it but they all look the same03:16
smoucheTm_T -- 'course irrssi with a sem-transparent konsole is very cool... ;-)03:17
Tm_Tphxguy: oh, war away from same03:17
CiusI used kynaptic to get icewm-common and related dependencies, now I'm thinking I have to edit an X11 file to tell kubuntu I wanna choose between kde and icewm on startup.  Could someone tell me which file it is I have to eit?03:17
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Tm_TCius: just add icewm.desktop in your /usr/share/xsessions03:18
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Tm_Tsmouche: I know, I have annoying habit, take it as a joke ;p03:19
CiusTm_T, do I have to put anything in the file or do I simply create a file called icewm.desktop?03:19
phxguywow theres a shit load of scripts for it though... might have to download it03:19
smoucheI do, Tm_T :P03:20
Tm_Tphxguy: it's already installed ;p03:20
phxguyin kubuntu?03:20
Tm_Tphxguy: kubuntu have it in normal install, with a good reason!03:20
phxguyhmm03:20
_jrki asked on here earlier but hoping someone entered who might know... anyone know of a reason why the screen savers would not work in kubuntu? mobility 9000/ati/ and h/w accel all work fine.03:20
smoucheyeah, but they don't tell us about it, phxguy -- they have Tm_T for that... ;p03:21
Tm_T_jrk: x-files stuff, ati sucks in linux03:21
phxguylol03:21
Tm_Tsmouche: thanks x)03:21
phxguyit wasn't in my kmenu..... whats the command for it03:21
smouchephxguy- just open konsole03:21
smoucheand type irrssi03:22
phxguyok then what03:22
smouchevoila03:22
phxguyo kewl03:22
smoucheset transparency in konsole "schemas" etc03:22
phxguyhow do i connect and stuff03:22
phxguywheres the manual :003:22
Ciusicewm.desktop is already in my /usr/shar/xsessions directory, yet when I rebooted a while ago, I got no option to load icewm rather than kde...03:23
Tm_Tphxguy: /server irc.whatever.com03:23
smoucheyou could also run it in konqueror, if you set the konqueror view profile to "midnight commander" -- 03:23
Tm_Tphxguy: irssi.org have good manual03:23
blacklabelwhat do i install if i wish to make java programs?03:23
Tm_TCius: uhm?03:24
phxguyTm_T: do i need a plugin to show the users list on the side or something03:24
Tm_Tblacklabel: java runtime environment and maybe sdk03:24
CiusTm_T, say again please?  I'm not sure what uhm is...03:24
Tm_Tphxguy: why you need that?03:24
blacklabelok03:24
phxguyTm_T: uh so i know who the hell is there :)03:25
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Tm_Tphxguy: /names (or shortly /n)03:25
Tm_Tyou don't need to konw who's just sit in here idling, do you?03:26
phxguyi suppose not but it woulld be nice03:26
Ciushmm, I'll try rebooting again, see if maybe I just missed something.03:27
Tm_Tuhm, why he reboot?03:27
Tm_Tok, some tweakin' & cryin' ->03:28
phxguythink ill stick with my bloated gui irc client03:30
smoucherofl03:30
smouchethat's what happened with me; too much homework involved in irssi... 03:30
phxguyi just wanna chat not have to remember a bunch of /set command and crap like that03:30
phxguygood software just works03:31
phxguywith minimal user intervention03:31
paulproteusphxguy: I use gaim for IRC.03:31
paulproteusIt's very easy for this.03:32
phxguyso is kopete03:32
paulproteusOh, right, I'm im #*K*ubuntu. :)03:32
smoucheI like xchat.  I ignore most of the confusing stuff; as long as I can easily log chats, I'm happy.03:32
phxguyi use to use gaim but you can't set yourself as invisible in yahoo or msn03:33
smouchebut I do want to learn irssii -- damn, that's a hard name to remember exactly -- when I have some time03:33
phxguyxchat for windows is good. transparency work real good03:33
phxguyand   you can see what you type03:34
phxguyunlike it linux partner03:34
phxguyoh well im outta here03:35
Tm_Theh03:40
Tm_Tirssi is easy to use03:40
Tm_Tand most of all, I don't need to run it on my own box03:41
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Tm_T=)03:43
Tm_Tbut if I like it doesn't mean you have to like it03:44
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Tm_Thmm03:48
Tm_TMussi: oh, nice domain =)03:48
Tm_Thostname I mean03:48
MussiTm_T: :)03:48
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darkauditaha... there are upstream bugs filed on musicbrainz... 03:50
andrewskianyone with both kde and gnome installed?03:50
darkauditandrewski: got that here03:50
andrewskidarkaudit: you have duplicate menu entries?03:51
darkauditnot at the moment... I haven't run update-menus on this system yet...03:51
darkaudithmm...03:52
darkauditjust ran it, and gnome-panel gobbled up resources03:52
darkauditat 78% cpu usage and 15% memory03:53
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Tm_T=)03:55
darkauditup to 85% cpu usage :(03:55
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darkauditandrewski: running update-menus in gnome crashes gnome-panel :(03:57
darkauditoops... it just recovered03:57
darkauditlemme go check something... brb03:58
Tm_T=)03:59
andrewskianyone know of a good flac/vorbis editor for kde?  i've been using easytag....04:01
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Tm_Tandrewski: you want edit what?04:02
andrewskiTm_T: flac/vorbis comments.04:02
Tm_Tah04:02
andrewskiyeah, whoops. :P04:02
Tm_Tkid?04:02
andrewskiTm_T: i'll look.04:02
Tm_Tkid3 to be precise04:02
andrewskiid3 doesn't sound promising...04:03
Tm_Tnope04:03
Tm_TI haven't tried it04:03
Tm_Tbut it was in my Kmenu =)04:03
andrewskiTm_T: ah.04:03
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Tm_Tswedish?04:04
andrewskiTm_T: huh?04:05
Tm_TencKe I mean04:05
encKe`lol...oh srry Tm_T , didnt see ya there04:07
encKe`no encKe is a small comet 04:07
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Tm_Tnice04:07
Tm_Tcan I eat you?04:08
Tm_T;p04:08
encKe`sure....what the hell04:09
andrewskiguys, there could be children here.04:10
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Tm_Thaha04:10
Tm_Tandrewski: I'm child(ish)04:10
encKe`k04:10
andrewskiTm_T: and you're talking like that?!  shame on you!04:10
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Tm_Tandrewski: I shame... I've been bad, so spank me please04:12
andrewskiaw geez.  LOL04:12
Tm_Tgotcha!04:12
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g4m8i7how do I add the universe to my source list? I tried the instructions on the kubuntu website, but they don't work04:15
crimsunUniversePackages04:16
g4m8i7eh?04:16
Tm_Tuhm04:16
crimsunwiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages04:16
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g4m8i7thanks04:17
Roeycrimsun: heya04:17
crimsunRoey: hi04:17
crimsun(again)04:17
Roeycrimsun: I'm havin04:17
Roeyer04:17
Roeywell I had trouble with kubuntu but since I installed kanotix at the moment, it's a moot point.04:18
Roeyand this debian/sid is also giving me problems04:18
Roeybut anwyay04:18
crimsunok.  *blinks*04:18
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crimsunsorry to hear. A friend's uncle passed away from leukemia yesterday as well.04:20
Roey:(04:21
Roeyone da04:21
Roeyone day04:21
RoeyI will make a machine that keeps people from dying04:22
Roeyand if they do die04:22
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Roeythen the machine will make them undie04:22
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Roeyand then everyone's grandparents and uncles will live forever.04:22
_jrkhow about making a person who keeps my machine from dying?04:22
Roey_jrk: crimsun and andrewski and the rest here are pretty much it04:23
regeyaRoey: make this eternal-life machine if it also makes people sterile.04:24
regeyatrue story: there are too many people on this planet.04:25
Roeyregeya: bah04:25
Roeyregeya: the planet's fine04:25
Roeyregeya: the planet is bigger than people04:25
regeyauh...yeah.04:25
regeyafunny thing04:25
Roeyregeya: the planet can brush us off in the blink of an eye04:25
Roeylike ants.04:25
regeyaprecisely04:25
_jrkwe'll be off the planet anyway if we can just live another 100 years :)04:25
Roeyregeya: ya know what?  "this planet" can hold a thousand times the people alive today.04:26
Roeyregeya: I say, change the governments04:26
Roeychangethe way people live04:26
regeyaand Im sure we'll be able to make blight-resistant food for all those people04:26
Roeychange the fucking mentalities that govern where we can live and how.04:26
Roeyregeya: there is enough food for everyone today.04:26
regeyasee, I had a subtle point there04:26
Roeyregeya: the problem is with the governments that don't make it available to people04:26
Roeyregeya: wtf do you think is going on in North Korea, eh?04:27
regeyago back, read again, think about the implications04:27
Roeyregeya: what do you think is going on in Ehtiopia? You've seen the kids that are stick-thin and have flies crawling on their eyeballs? it's bullshit.04:27
Roeyregeya: if they are like that, it's due to their governments.04:27
Roeyregeya: american farmers are *overproducing*.  The US Government has to bail them out.04:28
_jrkthere are also enough RAM chips for everyone in the world. when the hell is someone going to give me another gig for my server machine? da man is holding me down!04:28
Roeyregeya: where do you get off saying that we need more food?04:28
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RoeyNumPy: awesome nick04:28
Tm_Thm04:28
regeyahey, what's this /ignore thing to?04:28
regeyado even04:28
NumPyRoey: thanks =)04:29
Tm_Tregeya: it's obvious04:29
Roeyregeya: you can ignore by doing /ignore $hostmask04:29
Tm_TRoey: or nick04:29
Tm_Tdamn, it's morning again?04:30
RoeyTm_T: it never worked for me :(04:30
Tm_TRoey: depends what client04:30
regeyaTm_T: *mumble mutter grumble*04:30
Roeyfucking xchat fuck it04:30
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Tm_Tregeya: if you don't wan't to see what I'm saying, just /ignore *!*@*.fi for example04:31
Tm_Tthat ignores all finn hosts :p04:32
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Tm_T"those finns are only making trouble, ignore them!"04:33
Tm_T;)04:33
regeyaTm_T: I see you're from .fi, so English isn't your native language.  Sorry.  Guess sarcasm flies over the heads of most non-English-speakers04:34
Tm_Thaha04:34
regeyaI should have checked that04:34
regeya:-(04:34
Tm_Tsarcasm and selfirony, yes, that's me ;p04:35
regeyathe weird thing about Konversation is that they don't have an /unignore...I've not found a faster way than to pull up a dialog box04:37
Tm_Thmm04:38
Tm_Tmaybe I should try Konversation and look how it works04:38
blacklabelhow can i install windows fonts in kubuntu?04:38
pussfellerkde settled on an IRC client yet :)04:38
Tm_Tpussfeller: wha?04:39
pussfellerksirc / kinversation04:39
regeyakonversation > ksirc imho04:39
Tm_Thmm04:40
Tm_Tgaim is allright04:40
pussfellerah04:40
Tm_Tbut irssi <304:40
pussfelleri can never get the windows split the way i want em04:41
Tm_Tor chatzilla04:41
regeyablacklabel, slap 'em in a folder.  you can install them via the Control Center if you wish04:41
pussfellermirc on wine roolz04:41
pussfeller!04:41
Tm_Tmirc sucks04:41
Tm_TI hate mirc04:42
regeyaall preference04:42
Tm_T:)04:43
Tm_Tse on makuasia sanoi koira kun persettns nuoli04:43
regeyathough if you're a loyal gnomer you'd make it your patriotic duty to use whatever the official irc client would be...though to be fair, the average user doesn't irc (so told to me by a gnome and ubuntu dev, don't remember who tho)04:43
Tm_Thm04:44
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Tm_Tis there any gnome irc clients?04:45
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andrewskiTm_T: xchat roxors.04:47
Tm_Tnope04:47
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kkathmanGreetings Tm_T !04:47
Tm_Tkkathman: hullo04:47
andrewskiTm_T: what do you use in kde?04:47
Tm_Tandrewski: irssi04:48
andrewskiTm_T: so what's wrong with xchat?04:48
Tm_Tandrewski: hmm, I don't like it's appearance & functionality & it have to run locally04:49
andrewskiTm_T: dunno, search synaptic?04:49
andrewskiTm_T: i do like it's appearance and functionality.  that's why i found konversation easy to get used to.04:49
Tm_Tandrewski: oh, I need to search what?04:49
andrewskiTm_T: apt04:50
Tm_Term, why?04:50
Zugoti like konverstation04:50
andrewskiTm_T: look for other clients.  i don't know of any.04:50
andrewskiZugot: almost as good as xchat. :P04:50
Tm_Tandrewski: as I said, I use irssi04:50
Zugotyeah almost04:50
andrewskiTm_T: yes, but you were looking for a gnome client, no?04:50
Tm_Tandrewski: ah, just thinked, if there's any04:51
kkathmangee its like, ok irc is irc...what more do you need than either Konvo or Xchat :)04:51
Tm_Tkkathman: you know irssi?04:51
andrewskikkathman: an IRC daemon that connects on login and has various frontends--GTK/QT/CLI. :P04:51
kkathmanUnless you are an op or something04:51
andrewskikkathman: but maybe it's just me... ^_^04:51
kkathmanyeah Ive seen the blurbs on irssi :)04:52
Zugotits not like the old days04:52
Zugoti used to run an efnet server04:52
kkathmanno I know what it is04:52
Zugotabout 8 years ago..04:52
Tm_T=)04:52
SpookyETLinux startup is very slow.  Maybe we can cheat.  Start only a part of the processes, start X, then start the rest.04:52
kkathmanI used mIRC on windows for a long time and tweaked the hell out of that for years being an op04:52
kkathmannow Im just chattin :) hehe04:53
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kkathmanirssi is nice that it has its own skins and themes..thats kinda kewl tho04:53
darkauditandrewski: sorry I took so long... I have a Debian menu in KDE, but not in GNOME04:53
andrewskidarkaudit: no worries, i'll figure it out later. :P04:54
Tm_Tkkathman: I use it's default outfit04:54
kkathmanTm_T: how is it on memory...pretty efficient??  Compared to xchat or konvo?04:54
Tm_Tkkathman: well, irssi is shell app so it doesn't waste memory =)04:55
kkathmanthats kewl I guess04:55
Tm_Tlovely <304:55
kkathmanIve seen the web site, but is it something that you actually apt-get from a distro or not?04:55
Tm_Tkkathman: this irssi is running on p200/64Mt ram =)04:55
darkauditandrewski: as you saw earlier, it took about five minutes of gnome-panel maxing out system resources before it finally gave up.04:56
Tm_Tkkathman: it's in normal Kubuntu install04:56
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kkathmanahh ok04:56
darkauditdoesn't happen when I'm out of gnome04:56
kkathmanTm_T: I guess they just dont put irssi on a menu anywhere :)04:58
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Tm_Tkkathman: no because it's shell program04:58
glass-eyeubuntu is cool04:58
kkathmanyah04:58
Tm_Tjust say "irssi" in Konsole04:58
kkathmanright04:58
kkathmanI might finally break down and try it sometime :)04:59
Tm_Tbut I don't run irssi locally04:59
kkathmanTm_T: I did finally figure out my Samba problems :)04:59
Tm_Tah, good04:59
kkathmanso now I have a fully functional file server04:59
Tm_Tkkathman: what was it?04:59
kkathmanTm_T: I had forgotten to set up some parms in the smb.conf file04:59
kkathmanTm_T: once I did that...it was a breeze!05:00
Tm_Tkkathman: your file server is separate linux box ?05:00
kkathmanTm_T: yep05:00
Tm_Tkkathman: ok then, run irssi in there, just connect to it usin ssh ;p05:00
kkathmanhmmm not a bad idea :)05:00
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Tm_Tkkathman: and launch irssi inside screen05:01
Tm_Tyou know screen right?05:01
kkathmanthe file server is like a very bare bones machine now..and I am sharing a net cable :)05:01
kkathmanyep05:01
kkathmanbut I was amazed how easy it was finally05:01
kkathmanI had read somewhere that samba was going to "replace" nfs as the preferred file sharing mode05:02
kkathmanbut I cant see that on a pure linux network05:02
Tm_Tkkathman: my shell/file server is "very powerful" 200MHz pentium pro with 64Mb RAM :p05:03
SpookyETfinally05:03
Tm_Tkkathman: and this irssi is running on it05:03
SpookyETafter hacking xorg.conf for a while, it works05:03
kkathmanROFL...well I got this litte HP Pavillion with 96 mb on it...celeron05:03
SpookyETubuntu needs YaST05:03
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Tm_Thaha05:03
Tm_TYaST? muah05:04
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kkathmanTm_T: I need to reconfigure it tho...cuz its a warty machine and booting in to a desktop manager...I just want it to boot to the command line...not start X05:04
kkathmanTm_T: but I dont know how to tweak that yet05:04
SpookyETIt's just a pretty gui.  I'm sure that the package manager part of YaST  can be made to use apt-get 05:05
Tm_Tkkathman: hmm, there was instructions for that in debian site05:05
kkathmanahh ok I'll check that out05:06
kkathmanI need to get a new hoary DL anyway, last one I had was a pre05:06
blacklabelis there a mac os x like dock for kde / karamba ?05:06
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kkathmanheh just started an irssi session :)05:07
kkathman_Here it is from the irssi session :)05:07
Tm_T=)05:08
Tm_Tkkathman: you started irssi inside of screen ?05:09
kkathmannope just in a terminal05:09
kkathmanIve heard of screen but never run it05:09
Tm_Tkkathman: uhm, screen is shell app05:09
kkathmanyes05:09
Tm_Ttry it05:10
kkathmanjust never really run it05:10
Tm_Tjust "screen irssi"05:10
kkathmanok05:10
kkathmanone sec I'll try05:10
kkathmanhmmm doesnt really look any different05:11
Tm_Twhen you wan't to leave irssi, then hold ctrl down and press first a and then d 05:11
Tm_Tand release ctrl05:11
kkathmanI wonder if the newest irssi automatically starts screen?05:12
andrewskianyone use mpd?05:12
Tm_Tkkathman: screen and irssi is whole separatew thing05:12
Tm_Tkkathman: do what I said05:12
kkathmanwell irssi looks the same in terminal as it does in screen :)05:12
Tm_Tkkathman: it is the same, except ...05:13
Tm_Ttry it05:13
kkathmanok...so that brought me back to the term prompt :)05:13
Tm_Tyes05:13
Tm_Tand irssi is still running inside screen05:13
kkathmanoh?05:13
kkathmanhmm05:13
kkathmanand to get back to it?05:14
Tm_Tyou can go back in typing "screen -r"05:14
Tm_Twhoa05:14
kkathmanheh kewl "_05:14
Tm_Tso you can use same irssi where ever you are05:15
kkathmannice :)05:15
Tm_Tyou can shut down your workstation and irssi is still running :p05:15
kkathmanLOL05:15
Tm_Tthat's why I use irssi05:15
Tm_Tthat's why I don't run irssi in my workstation =)05:16
kkathmanYeah if I can find a way to not boot into X, then my file server will be complete05:16
kkathmanTm_T: Found out something interesting today about artsd05:16
Tm_Ttell me05:16
kkathmanYou can go to the control center, go to the sound and multimedia and uncheck the "enable sound"05:17
kkathmanand artsd stops05:17
kkathmanwhich is kewl if you dont use that engine05:17
Tm_Tso?05:17
Tm_Tah05:17
kkathmanor in my case, dont want sound05:17
kkathmanthat frees a good amount of memory... artsd is little pig 05:18
Tm_T=)05:18
kkathmanI think thats a change, because alot of people were saying that artsd was mandatory for Kubuntu...doesnt seem so now05:18
Tm_Twell, I have 1G ram in this workstation and half of it in my other Workstation05:18
kkathmanTm_T: what is "getty"  and why would I have like 6 instances running (they take no memory it seems)05:19
mdzkkathman: man getty05:20
kkathmanahh ok05:20
Tm_T=)05:21
kkathmanI also seem to have two things...ksysguard and ksysguardd running.05:21
Tm_Tkkathman: btw do you know why women are so complex?05:21
kkathmanTm_T: well I've been married to the same woman for 27 years...I would finally like to know :)05:22
Tm_Ttry man woman ;p05:23
kkathmanTm_T: maybe there is a way to make them UNcomplex? lol05:23
Tm_Tjust try "man woman" in your Konsole05:23
kkathmanno manual entry for woman hehe05:23
Tm_Toldie goldie05:24
kkathmanlove it :)05:24
Tm_Treally old joke =)05:24
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Tm_Tkkathman: but try "man man" ;p05:24
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Tm_Twhoa, there really is!05:24
kkathmanlol of course :)05:24
coreymon77hi everyone05:24
Tm_Thullo05:25
kkathmanhey corey :)05:25
coreymon77anyone here that i know from earlier05:25
coreymon77?05:25
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Tm_TBad =)05:25
Tm_Tcoreymon77: maybe me?05:25
Badlol. I was trying for Bad Religion05:25
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Tm_Thaha05:26
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coreymon77tmt: where you here last night05:27
kkathmanIm going to have to upgrade to a G05:27
coreymon77when i had trouble following redrums instructions05:27
Tm_Tcoreymon77: I think I did05:27
kkathmancoreymon77: thats ok I have trouble following his instructions sometimes too05:27
coreymon77no05:27
coreymon77it was that i was in a konsole login05:28
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coreymon77because my kde didnt work05:28
Tm_Thm05:28
coreymon77and konsoles copy/paste thing is really termpermental05:28
Tm_Theh05:28
Seven_Six_Twowith gpm?05:28
Seven_Six_Twoor gdm?05:28
Seven_Six_Twosomething like that05:28
coreymon77ya05:28
coreymon77gpm05:28
coreymon77its REALLY termpermental05:29
Tm_Tgpm?05:29
Seven_Six_Twoi only use ctrl keys, so i've not had a prob with it05:29
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, the package for mouse use in console05:29
coreymon77when you do a konsole login05:29
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: oh, ofcourse05:30
coreymon77gpm allows you to use your mouse and to copy/paste things05:30
coreymon77but iit barely works05:30
Tm_Tthen don't use it05:30
Tm_T=)05:30
Seven_Six_Twocan you use the middle(wheel) button in kde like you can in gnome?05:30
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: what you mean?05:31
Seven_Six_Twoyes you can05:31
Tm_Taah, paste05:31
Seven_Six_Twoif you have a wheel mouse, push it down05:31
Tm_Tfocourse05:31
Seven_Six_Twothat will copy highlited text and also paste05:31
GilaMnstrhas anyone had a problem with kde starting and hoary?05:31
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: it's can be anything what happens on middlebutton05:32
Seven_Six_Twoby the sound of the question, id say you did, GilaMnstr 05:32
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: because it's configurable05:32
GilaMnstryep :-)05:32
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, I'm sorry, what do you mean?05:32
Seven_Six_Twooh i see05:32
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Tm_Thaha05:32
coreymon77gilaminstr: when starting kde, does a blue bar appear and it says starting interprocess comunication and then it just stays there?05:32
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Seven_Six_Twocoreymon77, let me know if it works better for you05:33
GilaMnstrno from the greeter I login then the screen goes blank then returns to the greeter05:33
GilaMnstrI can failsafer 05:33
Tm_Tcoreymon77: Is your xorg.conf ok?05:33
Seven_Six_TwoGilaMnstr, have you uninstalled anything, or had a crash recently?05:33
coreymon77sevensixtwo: thats what i was here for yesterday05:34
coreymon77but i just installed ubuntu and the atped kubuntu and now it works05:34
Seven_Six_Twooh cool05:35
Seven_Six_Twoi installed kubuntu-desktop yesterday too05:35
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GilaMnstrno I fresh  installed yesterday and installed gcc and a couple other other packages... it worked fine I'm trying to figure out what I installed to make it stop working.05:35
coreymon77does it do what i described05:35
Seven_Six_Twocan you get into failsafe and look over your logs?05:35
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GilaMnstryes... which logs are interesting05:36
Seven_Six_Twoerm...your x log, and any others really. there could be an error before the greeter that affects your X05:36
coreymon77gilamnstr: what you have to do is download a fresh ubuntu iso05:36
coreymon77install that05:36
coreymon77and the apt kubuntu05:37
coreymon77thats what i did05:37
Seven_Six_Twocoreymon77, a complete reinstall? that's why linux is nice. it's usually fixable05:37
Tm_Theh05:37
kkathmanSeven_Six_Two: Yeah...like NO registry to bloat and get messed up :)05:38
Seven_Six_Twokind of the whole point in having most settings in text format05:38
Seven_Six_Twokkathman, exactly05:38
coreymon77sevensixtwo: thats what i did, i just downloadded ubuntu 05:38
coreymon77and then  apted kubuntu05:38
coreymon77a bit of a pain05:38
coreymon77but it works05:39
Tm_Theh05:39
Seven_Six_Twome too, but it was to try it, not because i got an error05:39
kkathmanSeven_Six_Two: This weekend I had a client that had a system on the fritz...how easy it would have been to fix in Linux...but NNoooooooooo05:39
GilaMnstrtis what I'm hoping... the only thing I have found is kdm_greet: [XXXX]  Can't open default user face05:39
Seven_Six_Twolol. I won't even help my friends with windows anymore05:39
kkathmanYou cant just off load the files then load them back...because of that god-forsaken registry05:39
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Seven_Six_TwoGilaMnstr, word for word?05:40
Seven_Six_Twoerm... ver batim?05:40
GilaMnstrApr 10 13:12:58 localhost kdm_greet[7461] : Can't open default user face05:40
GilaMnstrI wonder if it is a network thing... I installed and was running on a wire... then switched to lan05:42
GilaMnstrer wireless05:42
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Seven_Six_TwoGilaMnstr, i think your passwd file is damaged. do you have a backup?05:44
Seven_Six_Twodo you get any PAM errors?05:45
GilaMnstrNo since it is  a fresh install, and no for the PAM errors 05:46
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GilaMnstrI think the pw is messed too05:46
GilaMnstrI  seem to have 2 root pw's that work05:46
Seven_Six_TwoGilaMnstr, so do I, but I authorized it in user config. i set second one so i can use su normally05:47
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andrewskianyone using kaudiocreator?05:49
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Seven_Six_TwoGilaMnstr, sorry i couldn't help. that isn't enough for me to go on. me personally, that is. most people know more though05:49
Seven_Six_Twoandrewski, i have used it05:50
andrewskiSeven_Six_Two: can you open the handbook for it?05:50
GilaMnstr I'm fairly seasoned with other distro's but this is new to me too05:50
andrewskiSeven_Six_Two: it doesn't work for me....05:50
GilaMnstrThanks tho05:50
Seven_Six_Twonp05:50
Seven_Six_Twoandrewski, seems i don't have it installed right now05:51
andrewskiSeven_Six_Two: the program, or the doc?05:51
Seven_Six_Twoeither05:51
andrewskiSeven_Six_Two: yeah, didn't notice a doc package, but i'll look closer....05:51
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coreymon77hello05:51
Seven_Six_Twooh i'm not sure there is. I thought it came with kde docs05:51
coreymon77can somebody tell me how to add backports to apt05:52
andrewskiSeven_Six_Two: me too...05:52
andrewski"The requested help file could not be found. Check that you have installed the documentation."05:52
haydenhow can i make my kde panel blend with the desktop background?05:52
Seven_Six_Twocoreymon77, there is a section about that on www.ubuntuguide.org05:53
coreymon77why dont you just tell me what to do?05:53
Seven_Six_Twohayden, yes. you can make it transparent and also translucent and tinted05:53
Seven_Six_Twocoreymon77, because i don't know, but i know where the info is05:53
Seven_Six_Twohttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html05:54
coreymon77and where can i find how to add the unstable backports?05:55
Seven_Six_Twosorry...i don't know05:56
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coreymon77does anyone else here know how?05:57
crimsunoh no05:58
crimsunplease don't add backports.05:58
Tm_Twhy anyone wan't to use unstable (unless it's debian)05:59
coreymon77kubuntu is bedian06:00
Tm_Tnonono06:00
Tm_Tubuntu is based on debian06:01
Tm_Tjust like knoppix is06:01
coreymon77and06:01
jsgotangcokubuntu rocks!06:02
Tm_Tcoreymon77: do you remember when last debian stable was announced?06:02
coreymon77every single linux ive tried (and believe me thats a lot) has been based off of debian06:02
Tm_T=)06:02
regeyahm.06:02
regeyahaven't tried slack, fedora, gentoo, suse, etc. then.06:03
Tm_Tyes, I use debian in my shell/file server06:03
coreymon77ive never actually sed the real debian though06:03
Tm_Tcoreymon77: debian itself is quite different =)06:03
Tm_Tespecially Stable06:03
coreymon77all i know is its more complicated06:03
Tm_Tno it's not06:03
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Seven_Six_Two2.206:04
Seven_Six_Twokernel for debian 3.0 r406:05
Tm_Thaha06:05
Tm_Tyes06:05
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Tm_Tbecause it must be _stable_ to be Debian Stable06:05
Seven_Six_TwoI found that out the hard way. try using agp on 2.206:06
Tm_Thaha06:06
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: err, you used Debian stable and needed agp?06:06
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, I didn't know what I was getting in to06:06
Tm_Theh06:07
Tm_TIt sucks then =)06:07
Seven_Six_Twomy fault for not reading the docs06:07
Tm_Thaha06:07
kkathmanWhat are the main differences, besides packaging, between Ubuntu and Debian. I just thought it was a debian -deviant with its own set of packages?06:09
Tm_Tuhm06:11
Seven_Six_Twoubuntu/kubuntu focus on gnome or kde06:11
Seven_Six_Twobut you can easily have both06:11
Seven_Six_Twosame installer06:11
Tm_Tkkathman: sorry, my english isn't well enough to let me explain06:11
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: well, you can install KDE or Gnome or whatever as easily on Debian06:12
kkathmanSeven_Six_Two: well I heard from someone yesterday that it wasnt possible just to take a debian package (from a debian repos) and expect it to run properly in Ubuntu06:12
kkathmanTm_T: your english is probably better than mine :)06:13
kkathmanand Im from Texas :)06:13
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, true, but doesn't debian default to having both?06:13
Tm_TSeven_Six_Two: debian have nothing default?06:13
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Tm_Tat least I never installed Debian without choosing every package by myself =)06:14
Seven_Six_TwoTm_T, haha it takes so long. i don't remember. maybe i selected both.06:14
Seven_Six_Twono none instead of one or the other.06:14
Tm_Tuh, uhm, what?06:15
Seven_Six_Twoubuntu/kubuntu are easier to install for sure06:15
Tm_Tmaybe06:15
Tm_Tmaybe not06:15
Seven_Six_Twowell it sure didn't take me hours to do06:16
Seven_Six_Twohas anyone used p2p yet? I didn't see anything in apt06:17
Tm_Thm, I installed debian into my shell/file server less than 1h and still got most of the packages form the net06:17
Seven_Six_Twowow. i got endless streams of questions from the installer06:17
Seven_Six_Twousing the dvd06:18
kkathmanI know when I was looking for a linux distro that worked on my hardware, debian installed, but there was a glitch somewhere but I forget what it was06:18
kkathmanFunny, Red Hat 9 couldnt even recognize my ethernet card...its a really basic one too :)06:18
Seven_Six_Twoheh. never used rh06:19
coreymon77sevensixtwo: do you mean amule or limewire06:19
Tm_Trh sucks06:19
Seven_Six_Twoyes like those06:19
Seven_Six_Twoor ed2k06:19
Tm_Tcommercial linux, what a laugh06:19
kkathmanI tried fedora core 3 and wow its heavy....it like tore up my little 96mb system06:20
Seven_Six_Twomy favourite so far is slack06:20
coreymon77amule is ed2k06:20
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kkathmanSeven_Six_Two: what do you think is the leanest?06:20
Seven_Six_Twosame network, different program06:20
coreymon77sevensixtwo: apt-get install amule06:20
Seven_Six_Twokkathman, from what i've used, slack.06:21
kkathmanthought so06:21
Seven_Six_Twoit's a little harder to use though06:21
kkathmanSeven_Six_Two: but its also the hardest to install for a novice too right?06:21
Seven_Six_Twoslack and debian06:21
kkathmanright06:21
Seven_Six_Twofrom my exp06:22
Seven_Six_Twobut i'm adventurous, not learned06:22
Tm_Tkkathman: yes, FC3 is heavy if you allow it to install all the crap :p06:22
kkathmanGentoo is supposed to be kinda difficult too06:23
kkathmanEver heard of Coyote Linux or Damn Small LInux?06:23
Seven_Six_Twotime consuming I'd think, but not super hard06:23
Tm_TDSL is old friend =)06:23
Seven_Six_Twodsl yes06:23
kkathmanI got a disk with a book that had those on it, Debian, Gentoo, DSL and Coyote06:24
Tm_TLFS \o/06:24
Seven_Six_Twointeresting choices06:24
kkathmanYeah I thought so too06:24
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Seven_Six_Twoi get some of mine from Linux:Format magazine06:25
Tm_Theh06:25
whiskersi finally got the doggone printer to work...it took several days06:25
Tm_Thaha06:25
Seven_Six_Twolol06:25
kkathmanSeven_Six_Two: I got this with the Linux Bible 2005 Edition I bought recently06:25
Seven_Six_Twowhiskers, back it up06:25
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blacklabelhow do i add a second panel?06:26
whiskersSeven_Six_Two, well i need to get a boot disk with pcopy06:26
whiskersthe epson finally printed a ubuntu test page with lots of colors06:26
whiskersi never though i was going to get this ubuntu to work06:27
whiskerscups changed so much06:27
Tm_Tblacklabel: uhm, right click on panel -> add to panel -> panel ->06:27
Tm_T=)06:27
whiskersand foomatic-configure is broken with the new cupsys06:28
whiskersthis was hell06:28
Seven_Six_Twoyou have knoppix?06:28
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GilaMnstrwow... it was my shell... I changed my default shell to tcsh... from bash06:30
blacklabelTm_T: is that the only way? because i want one panel to be transparent and the other one not06:31
blacklabeland if when i try to change the transparency they both chagne06:32
Tm_Thmm06:33
Tm_Tthat's the only way I know06:33
Tm_TIF you don't get some panel app06:33
blacklabelok thats alright06:33
kkathmanInstalling hoary on my little HP again...I think what I'll do is put XFCE on that one, since its lighter...I'd rather go just to a command line only, tho06:35
Tm_Tkkathman: WMaker! <306:35
kkathmansurely there is a command somewhere in the init stuff that keeps the system from going into X ?06:36
kkathmanTm_T: WMaker?06:36
Tm_TWindowmaker06:36
kkathmana light desktop?06:37
kkathmansee I'd rather not even call up X at all...since this computer will be 100% print server06:37
kkathmansorry FILE server06:37
Tm_Twell, http://www.windowmaker.org/06:37
Tm_Tkkathman: I check that boot thing for you, wait a second ...06:38
kkathmank06:38
kkathmanI can always just put a blurb in the forums and someone would probably answer it...no need to bother Tm_T 06:39
Tm_Tkkathman: just edit your /etc/inittab06:42
Tm_Tthat propably helps06:43
kkathmanahh ok...just remove the startx thing probably right?06:43
Tm_Tand if there's line  "id:5:initdefault" change number to be 2 or 306:44
Tm_TI think that's it06:44
whiskershah..printed 3 separate page...one from browser..one ubuntu test page and one cups test page....that is enough...i don't want to waste this expensive ink06:45
Tm_Theh06:45
Tm_Twhiskers: working fine then?06:45
whiskersTm_T, yes seems so..but i have to make some adjustments to get the scanner part of it working...i did it before on gentoo and i can do it again on ubuntu if they have libusb06:46
whiskersbut ink is too expensive to use it06:47
Tm_Tyeh06:47
kkathmanTm_T: Hmm interesting... my system which boots to KDE, has a default level of 2...id:2:initdefault :)06:47
Tm_Theh06:47
Tm_Tuhm06:47
Tm_Tso then just make sure it doesn't init KDM then =)06:48
Tm_Tor X 06:48
kkathmanTm_T: I dont see it in the inittab, so I wonder if thats in init.d ?06:49
Tm_Tmight be06:49
Tm_Tweird though, start shell login AND graphical login :p06:49
kkathmanyah06:50
kkathmanhmmm I dont even see where its starting GTK, KDE or even X06:51
Tm_TKDM ?06:51
Seven_Six_Twoi think level 506:52
kaplanfxis kompsoe part of the kubuntu install?06:52
Seven_Six_Twoor 606:52
kaplanfxkompose rather06:52
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Tm_Tkaplanfx: kompose? I think... no, not in mine07:00
kaplanfxhmm07:00
kaplanfxmaybe I should suggest it on the wiki07:00
Tm_Tdo that07:01
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Tm_Terr07:02
Tm_Twhat's that07:02
kaplanfxwhats what?07:02
kaplanfxheh07:02
Tm_Tkaplanfx: why you play with you nick, I ment =)07:03
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kaplanfxTm_T: oh, conversation in another channel07:04
Tm_T=)07:05
Tm_Tkids ;)07:05
kaplanfxhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuComments near the bottom, someone already suggested kompose :)07:05
Tm_Thaha07:05
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Tm_Tumm?07:05
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Tm_Tkaplanfx: you mean, you wait next kubuntu release?07:11
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kaplanfxTm_T: maybe, I've been playing with the live cd mostly07:15
kkathmanTm_T: ok its the menu.lst file under /boot/grub/menu.lst07:16
kaplanfxim not ready to give up my debian sid system yet, but kubuntu is showing much promise07:16
kkathmanTm_T: thats what you change to boot into command line...you put a 3 on the end of the splash line07:16
Tm_Tahaa07:16
Tm_Tkkathman: so the init 5 was in there?07:17
kkathmanTm_T: no07:17
Tm_Terr07:17
kkathmanI dunno the workings, but just talked to someone that just did it on his machine07:17
Tm_Tok07:17
Tm_TI think it do somethinw with init anyway07:18
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ownerwhat package do i need to downlaod to get WMA support07:19
Tm_Towner: haaa, ou use gstreamer?07:19
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lorenTM_T not yet does it support WMA?07:20
Tm_Tor perhaps mplayer?07:20
lorennot yet07:20
Tm_T=)07:20
Tm_Tloren: what "apt-cache search wma" tells ?07:20
Tm_Tgive any hits?07:20
whiskerswell that is just about it for ubuntu...we have dvd burners working without error and printing and i know i can get scanning working again with gimpshop...so that is all i can think of....i am not messing with dvd reading or any of that stuff...other than dvd backups and writes07:21
loren1 moment07:21
Tm_Twhiskers: no no no, don't install gimpshop!07:21
whiskersi already did07:21
lorenroot@ubuntu:/home/owner # apt-get cache wma07:21
lorenE: Invalid operation cache07:21
Tm_Tarrrr07:21
kkathmanugh07:21
kkathmanwhiskers...where did you get the pkg?07:21
Tm_Tloren: check my line07:21
Seven_Six_Twoloren, i think it's  w32codecs07:22
whiskerskkathman, i compiled it from source and it too was hell07:22
kkathmanyeah thats what I thought07:22
lorenSeven_Six_Two: is that a package or a project?07:22
kkathmanwhiskers: I traced a few links to someone that claimed to have had a deb pkg..but it didnt work07:22
whiskersbut anyway it is all basically working except for the proprietary stuff which i don't mess with07:22
Tm_Twhiskers: then it's allright, Ive been warned that apt-getting gimpshop overrides some libs :/07:22
kkathmanIm afraid Im still doing my graphics stuff in Windows07:23
Seven_Six_Twopackage07:23
whiskersTm_T, yes it does...but no real harm done...just don't update gimp after you compile it...it works ok07:23
Tm_Theh07:23
Seven_Six_Twoi's not in release i don't think. maybe multiverse07:23
whiskerswell if i knew how to make a deb package i would make it for you...but i don't07:24
whiskersso do it yourself...it is not impossible..just difficult07:24
Seven_Six_Twowith alien?07:24
kkathmanwhiskers: I tried to use just gimp but it just doesnt have the functionality that Photoshop does Im afraid :)07:24
Tm_Tkkathman: what?07:24
whiskerskkathman, no...gimpshop is not photoshop by any means since photoshop cost $700 and i can't afford to even see it07:24
Tm_Tkkathman: I installed gimp into my win2k when I got tired of photoshop :p07:25
whiskerskkathman, but it does scan and print perfectly so that is all i care about in order to get efax-gtk working07:25
freexhehehe07:25
kkathmanwhiskers: lol...well I was lucky, I knew a friend that was getting rid of his computer and he gave me his old 7.0 Photoshop for $5007:25
freexso you like GIMP than Photoshop07:25
Tm_Tfreex: yes07:25
whiskersfreex, gimp is ok with me...and i cannot afford photoshop07:25
kkathmanTm_T: your requirements must be quite rudimentary07:26
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Tm_Tkkathman: er, rudi.. what?07:26
kkathmanwhiskers: for a free prog gimp is okie dokie :)07:26
Tm_Tkkathman: its great =)07:26
kkathmanTm_T: Gimp isnt near the program Photoshop is07:26
kkathmanbut then its free :)07:26
whiskerskkathman, yes it is more than i will ever use...i just need it for efax-gtk07:26
kkathmanwhiskers: thats kewl :)07:26
Tm_Tkkathman: yes, but I don't like photoshop :/07:26
kkathmanwhiskers: Im a web designer...so I have a very high level of requirements...its mandatory for me :)07:27
kkathmanTm_T: it has a fairly long learning curve, but I ve used it alot and know it very well07:27
Tm_Tkkathman: so then photoshop is for you07:27
kkathmanTm_T: Yep :)  I used to use Paint Shop Pro....almost as good and less than $100...a much better low cost alternative07:28
Tm_Tkkathman: and if you really need new photoshop, "It's all in the internet" ;)07:28
Tm_Tkkathman: I like PSP very much07:28
kkathmanTm_T: yeah its great...has about 90% of what Photoshop has, but for 1/7th the price07:29
kkathmanTm_T: New Photoshop?07:29
kkathmanTm_T:  You mean Photoshop CS?07:30
Tm_Tkkathman: yes07:30
kkathmanTm_T:  Yeah, its got alot more "photo" stuff in it, but the basic graphics creation hasnt changed much07:30
whiskersnow i just have to get one of those cheap linfaxmodems working and efax-gtk should be ready to go07:30
kkathmanTm_T: Had I not gotten PS7 for $50 I'd still be using PSP07:30
whiskersi hope debian compiled support into the kernel07:31
Tm_Tkkathman: almost all my friends have newest photoshop, and I don't know even one who's paid for it :p07:31
whiskersor ubuntu07:31
Tm_Tkkathman: those criminals... thoh07:32
kkathmanTm_T: hmmm  I guess you can get bootleg copies I get emails everyday offering them07:33
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Tm_Tkkathman: =)07:34
Tm_Tkkathman: illegal copies07:34
kkathmanTm_T: Probably off of IRC channels I'd bet :)07:34
Tm_Tkkathman: nope07:34
kkathmanTm_T: I see the warez channels....I just figured they are the ones sending out ISOs07:35
Tm_T:)07:35
Tm_Timho warez is stealing :/07:35
kkathmanTm_T: it is07:35
kkathmanTm_T: But then lets say 10 of you get together, throw in $70 each and get Photoshop...you get a legit copy, burn the disk 7 times07:36
Tm_T:)07:37
kkathmanTm_T: then you go to cracks.am and get a keygen for PS7 and get your own serial...voilla  1 legit and 6 bootlegs07:37
Tm_Tyeah07:37
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Tm_Tbut still criminal afaik07:37
Tm_Tdon't like it07:37
kkathmanOr...you can install linux and get everything for free  basically07:38
whiskerskkathman, well not me...i don't like any of that commercial software except my one copy of win98 that i paid for so it is a sunk cost07:38
Tm_Tkkathman: yes, that what I do =)07:38
kkathmanTm_T: thats why Im disappointed I have to use Photoshop and Flash on my Win box...nothing like it in Linux07:38
whiskerskkathman, and i don't want to do it again07:38
whiskerskkathman, uh...yes there is but i am not going to get into that07:39
kkathmanwhiskers: maybe you can find someone in the forums to help you make a deb pkg or ubuntu pkg07:39
whiskerskkathman, i have no idea...but i still have my complete build directory and all they have to do is make install from there...the compilations have already been successfuly made07:40
kkathmanwhiskers: yes there is what?  I know about gimp..but Havent seen anything for Flash, and I doubt it runs under wine very well :)07:40
whiskerskkathman, well there is a lot of gnu dhtml out there and you can do similar things with it that you can do with flash07:41
Tm_Tkkathman: actually even my DOS6.22 is original, I have sertificate and all =)07:41
whiskerskkathman, i lost my dos but i did get a successful boot on a flat memory model 32bit version of freedos07:41
whiskerskkathman, it is exciting but only one app works..the bash shell07:42
kkathmanwhiskers: well I imagine I wont get rid of my win box anytime soon, but I've switched all my development over to Linux..I just do the graphics in Photoshop and Swishmax07:42
whiskerskkathman, well i am not into graphics....i can't even use blender or k3d07:42
kkathmanwhiskers: haha..might as well load linux on it ;)07:42
whiskerskkathman, no i like freedos32....it is exciting without all that multitasking stuff....great for embedded systems too07:43
kkathmanwhat console command would tell me how much space I have left on an disk?07:43
kkathmanwhiskers: oh absolutely it is :)07:43
regeyakkathman: df07:46
kkathmanregeya: thank you :)07:46
regeyadf -h for human-readable07:46
kkathmanexcellent :)07:47
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whiskerswell i am tired now ...see you later.07:57
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Tm_T08:59 < whiskers> well i am tired now ...see you later.07:58
Tm_T=)07:58
Tm_TIt's morning here =)07:58
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Tm_Tuh, some breakfast would be nice08:08
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linkin__it is <08:00> o'clock -.- 08:09
linkin__my head is ... does pain... 08:10
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Tm_Tlinkin__: you are from France/Germany?08:12
linkin__germany :D08:12
Tm_Tuh08:12
Tm_TGood morning from north :)08:13
linkin__hehe :D08:13
linkin__thanks :D you, too :)08:13
Tm_TI'm from Finland :)08:13
linkin__oh, nice country :)08:13
Tm_Tthanks08:14
linkin__i have to configurate my kubutu... -.-08:14
Tm_Thah08:14
linkin__this shit usb-Modem gets my to the hospital...08:14
Tm_Tdoing it a whole week =)08:14
Tm_Thaha08:14
Tm_Tusb-modem = shit08:15
linkin__first thing is... -.- i can't see something on my screen (until i start kubuntu... x don't want to show my something :D)08:15
linkin__after it... i have to press ctrl+alt+f1 to get to console... -.- i tell ya, nice pictures i get so see ;)08:16
Tm_Thaha08:16
linkin__http://linkin.mine.nu/kubuntu/pictures/08:17
linkin__^08:17
linkin__^^08:17
Tm_Thmm, so you're saying your xorg.conf id broken?08:17
linkin__there are two of them08:17
Tm_Thaha08:18
Tm_Tnice pics =)08:18
linkin__yes, something like that ;) but i've reinstalled it yesterday, so... i've changed my xorg.conf... -.- now i could start kubuntu with my console :D08:18
ztonzylinkin__, bad monitor ;) ?08:18
linkin__now i have to install my usb-driver... by console o.O!08:18
linkin__no08:19
linkin__^^08:19
linkin__not monitor :P it's the graphiccard ;)08:19
ztonzyhehe08:19
linkin__after installing, i could download the nvdia driver... and install it... 08:19
linkin__hope it will work perfectly :)...08:20
linkin__has someone else the geforce 6600gt? :D08:20
ztonzynope08:20
Tm_Tthere's something wrong in my desktop too: http://xob.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/08:21
Tm_T;p08:21
ztonzysoon 2 years old FX5600 , works flawless08:21
Tm_TI have 570008:21
linkin__you're all lucky -.-08:21
Tm_T=)08:21
linkin__(nice desktop tm_t :)08:22
ztonzyI also got a remade GeForce2pro ---> Quadro2Pro :)08:22
Tm_Tthanks08:22
ztonzybut I Dont use it right now08:22
Tm_Tlinkin__: still working on it08:22
ztonzywonder which one is best making 3D08:22
linkin__3d ... oh... this dream will never come true for me :(08:23
ztonzylinkin__, ah...start play with Blender !08:23
ztonzywww.blender3d.org08:23
ztonzyneed my morningshower...08:24
linkin__i hope, i could sometimes see something in 2D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!08:24
linkin__k ;)08:24
ztonzylol08:24
ztonzylinkin__, you in terminal now ?08:24
linkin__no, windows ;)08:24
ztonzyeeeeww08:24
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linkin__i've to download all drivers... -.-08:24
linkin__^^08:24
ztonzywell....bbl08:24
linkin__k08:24
linkin__cYa08:24
johnWhat kind of channel is this?08:25
linkin__kubuntu international :P08:25
kkathmanTm_T: Well, that little tidbit about the menu.lst, didnt do a dang thing :(08:25
kkathmanTm_T: still boots to gnome :)08:25
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Tm_Tbah08:26
Tm_Tkkathman: oh, theres must be a way to turn it off08:27
kkathmanTm_T: Yah  bah...stinks...with only 96mb on that system I dont want X and gnome running :)08:27
Tm_Theh08:27
Tm_Tkkathman: I use X and Wmaker in p200/64mb ram :p08:27
Tm_Tworks fine08:28
kkathmanwell I will try that window maker then08:29
kkathmanis that an apt-pkg?08:29
Tm_Tkkathman: try fluxbox too08:29
Tm_Tboth suppose to be08:29
kkathmanok08:29
Tm_Tyou might like flux more08:30
Tm_T3d desktop switcher =)08:32
Tm_Tmuah, really take some cpu :p08:32
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ger2hi08:33
ger2i've got a question about the new kubuntu release.. Anyone?08:33
kkathmanTm_T: do you remember if the wmaker install automatically put the choice on the sessions menu?08:33
kkathmanger go ahead and ask08:34
ger2okay, thanks! I've downloaded kubuntu a while ago, and done the (hundreds of) updates with Synaptic. Is there a point why I should download and install the new release or is that not nessesary?08:35
Tm_Tkkathman: if you use apt-get, then yes08:36
linkinONE question :D could someone tell me a way, to move folders from /boot to /opt ?08:37
ger2eh. I use apt-get through synaptic.. 08:37
Tm_Tger2: use apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, it keeps you uptodateC08:37
linkinmc doesn't work, i think :)08:37
Tm_Tlinkin: mv08:37
ger2okay thanks!08:37
linkinmv!08:37
linkinah08:37
Tm_Tmc?08:38
linkinis that the same like mc? :D08:38
Tm_Tmidnight commander :)08:38
linkinaha? :D08:38
linkin^^08:38
Tm_Tmv is just "move" command08:38
linkinmc is something like "Konquerer"08:38
Tm_Tyes =)08:38
kkathmanTm_T: Got it installed..no problems :)08:38
Tm_Tkkathman: good08:38
ger2Another question: With Mandrake, you get a startup menu with the users that can login so you dont have to type the username. Is this possible too with Kubuntu?08:39
Tm_Tger2: yes08:39
kkathmanTm_T: however, why is gnome-terminal running at the same time...I logged out of that session08:39
ger2Tm_T: how can I achieve this?08:39
linkinTM_T: is there a way to copy a folder AND move it anywhere?08:39
Tm_Tger2: trough Control Centre08:39
Tm_Tlinkin: cp as "copy" ;p08:40
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linkinafter it? :D08:40
Tm_Tkkathman: err, Wmaker is just windowmanager :)08:40
linkin???08:41
linkin^^08:41
Tm_Tlinkin: just copy to somewhere safe and then you can move it as you like08:41
linkinaha... he doen't copy it to the clipboard?08:41
Tm_Terr08:41
Tm_Tclip board is in X08:42
linkin^^08:42
linkink :D08:42
Tm_Tso console Ain't using it08:42
linkinthe command have to look like this: cp <from-folder> <to-Folder>08:42
linkinright? :D08:43
kkathmanTm_T: do you know if it depends on gnome?08:43
ger2Tm_T, I think i found it, going to reboot to check it :) Thanks!08:43
linkinI'm new, at this... system08:43
linkinAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!08:43
linkinOMG!!!!08:43
linkinhe makes a copy in the same folder!08:44
ger2Tm_T, just started a new session, but it doesnt seem to work..08:44
linkinah...08:44
linkin^^08:44
linkink, i've understand it ;) Thanks tm_t :)08:44
Tm_Tkkathman: no, wmaker is gnome-compatible, so apps running in both as well ;p08:45
Tm_Tlinkin: cp source destination ;p08:45
linkinyes08:45
linkin^^08:45
Tm_Tlinkin: man <command> if you have trouble08:46
linkinthat is something like a tutorial, i think ;)08:46
linkinor "help" :D08:46
Tm_Tman as manual08:46
Tm_Tman man is good way to start =)08:47
linkinah k :D (nearly) :D08:47
linkink08:47
Tm_Thmm, what is k stand for?08:47
linkini will now test it ;) cYa later :D08:48
linkink = okey08:48
Tm_Tah08:48
linkin-e+a08:48
linkin^^08:48
linkin*okay ;)08:48
Tm_Tbecause I read it "kyll"08:48
linkinaha08:48
Tm_Tmeans ok or yes =)08:48
kkathmanoff to bed...night all ...thanks Tm_T !!08:48
linkingood night ;)08:48
Tm_Tkkathman: sleep well08:48
linkin^^08:48
loren:)08:48
kkathmanthanks :)08:49
lorenwell GIMP's frozen rendering lol08:49
linkink, no it's time to go...08:49
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linkincYa08:49
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lorenbye08:49
Tm_Tloren: Gimp <3<308:49
lorenhehe08:49
lorenGIMP totally kills08:49
lorenit can do SOOO many things Photoshop cant08:49
Tm_Thaha08:49
lorenand it's freee XD08:49
lorenonly thing i really wish was that it was all in one window as having so many windows is a pain in the but08:50
Tm_Tloren: like, you can't lost paint tool in Photoshop?08:50
loren;) and more!08:50
Tm_Tloren: it's just good08:50
lorenyea08:50
Tm_Tto have all separate windows08:50
lorenyou think so? hmmh08:51
loreni wish there was a built in option08:51
Tm_Tyou can use multiple monitors more efficiently08:51
loreni was gonna try GIMPship but erm, it didn't like me when i tried to install lol08:51
lorenyea? hmmr08:51
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lorenright no im doing the mistake of rendering 16 animated frames 1280x1024 of some swirl?08:51
loreni did it by accident08:52
lorenoh there's a cancle button 0_O hmmh08:52
lorenwell only 6 to go why not see what it does08:52
Tm_Thaha08:52
lorenwhat REALLY is the difference between BSD and Linux?08:52
Tm_Tloren: there suppose to be cancel somewhere :)08:52
Tm_Tloren: err, different os08:53
ger2Hi, i'm back. TM_T: I found the option to show the userlist, but it didn't work. Perhaps it has something to do with the other 'theme' that kubuntu has on the frontpage? (With the 2 icons in the down-left corner)08:53
lorenTm_T: yeah but it's only 5 left of 16 might as well see what it does08:53
lorenTm_T: but is there any code_base difference? like BSD more efficient or something supposedly08:53
Tm_Tger2: hmm, I don't think so but try08:53
Tm_Tloren: err, in some cases BSD is more efficient, it depends08:53
lorenTm_T: ah, hmmh, very cool, hmmh lol can't think of what to say lol08:54
lorenmaby i should join #freebsd or somethign08:54
ger2TM_T: I did, but it didnt work08:55
Tm_Tger2: hmm, let's see...08:55
lorenwhat the hell, another channel is spamming me with porn linux08:55
Tm_Thaha08:55
loreni thought that was completly against the rules on freenode08:56
Tm_Tloren: it is, send abuse08:56
lorenhow do i do that?08:56
loren#please_register is the channel name08:56
Tm_Thaha08:56
Tm_Tloren: www.freenode.net ?08:56
loreni try to join a bsd channel and somehow get spammed with porn links hmmh, interesting08:57
Tm_Tgood place to start08:57
Tm_Tloren: there is spammer in that channel08:57
lorenah08:57
Tm_Tger2: you enabled "Enable passwordless logins" ?08:57
ger2nope08:58
ger2oh. tm_t: no, is that nessecary?08:59
lorenhow do you get someone's ip on irc?08:59
loreni can only ping em08:59
lorenor you cant to prevent DDOS08:59
Tm_Tger2: is it obvious? ;p08:59
ger2tm_t: with mandrake, you click the user after which you can enter the password09:00
Tm_Tger2: ah you mean that!09:00
Tm_Tsorry, I thought you want passwordless login09:01
ger2no :)09:01
Tm_Tloren: use /whois <nick>09:01
loreni think i might have tried that, thanks though ill try09:01
Tm_Tit gives to you a hostname =)09:01
ger2tm_t: Is it possible?09:03
Tm_Tger2: so you ticked users -> show list?09:03
Tm_Tin loginmanager settings09:03
ger2tm_t: Yes, that's what i did09:05
ger2tm_t: well, it already was ticked.. (?)09:05
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Tm_Tyes09:05
ger2tm_t: but it just didnt work09:05
Tm_Tger2: then pick the users you want into list09:05
lorendamn it's like im in the #admin channel but no one's there :( and no one in the freenode channel is really doing anything also :(09:05
ger2tm_t: I've done that09:06
Tm_Thmm09:06
Tm_Tuhm09:07
Tm_Twell, now it's tricky =)09:07
ger2tm_t: I see my stunned expression copied ;)09:07
Tm_Thaha09:07
ger2does kubuntu have its own loginmanager or something?09:07
lorenno idea09:07
loreni cant seem to theme the login manager very erm, easily?09:07
ger2because i've never seen the 2 icons in the lower corner09:07
ger2or that could be something for 3.409:08
Tm_Tger2: Kubuntu uses KDM09:09
ger2ok09:09
Tm_Tso all you see is from it09:09
Tm_Tafaik09:09
ger2afaik?09:10
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ger2what does that mean?09:11
Tm_Tas far as I know09:12
ger2oh :)09:12
ger2i've seen the process running on my box09:13
Tm_Tn00buntu: :)09:13
ger2so that's true09:13
n00buntuhow ya all going?09:13
pussfellerin the future, people will develop entire languages using only acronyms09:13
n00buntuwindows xp rules!!09:14
lorenbetter not say that here lol09:15
lorenyou'll get bashed09:15
lorenlol09:15
Tm_Tn00buntu: stop that or I'll kick your ass09:15
Tm_T] ;=09:15
Tm_Tpussfeller: I hope not09:16
Tm_Tloren: aergh09:16
n00buntuonly joking!09:16
lorenlol09:16
Tm_TI'm not09:16
Tm_Tloren: please stop09:16
Tm_TI really hate it09:16
lorenerm cough cough** back on subject lol09:16
Tm_Tx)09:16
loren:)09:16
n00buntuyou would not hit a man with glasses!09:17
Tm_T,,|,09:17
lorenim still yet to install 5.04 final09:17
pussfelleri like xp09:17
lorenhaha i have glasses09:17
Tm_Tn00buntu: wouldn't I ?09:17
lorenTm_T rofl09:17
Tm_T=)09:17
Tm_Tstop it!09:17
ger2haha i'm an MCSE :)09:17
Tm_TI'm not playing with you anymore :/09:18
Tm_Tger2: what?09:18
ger2:D09:18
pussfellerdoes samba work with that crippled network sharing in xp home?09:18
pussfellermr msce09:19
ger2haha, i dont have home, but it should work fine09:19
pussfelleri was a tad disappointed to discover that09:19
ger2You dont need a domain to share folders or printers09:19
pussfelleractually, thot it was very lame to cripple it09:19
ger2XP home just cant logon to a domain09:19
pussfellerno passwords09:19
pussfellermight have to see if samba works on cygwin09:20
Tm_TXP sucks09:20
Tm_Treally hate it09:20
pussfellercompared to...09:20
pussfellerits the best i have seen them come up with09:21
ger2Windows and Linux have both their good and bad sides09:21
Tm_Terr, linux, bsd, solaris ...09:21
Tm_Tger2: yes, but I still hate it09:21
pussfellermy mom can't even send an attatchemtn with out help and you want her to run anything linux?09:21
ger2why then?09:21
Tm_TI'm glad I don't have to use windows09:21
lorenTm_T i'm glad im no longer bound to using it09:22
pussfellerthe kids are a different story, im teaching them from youth, but the older folks are clueless09:22
Tm_Tpussfeller: err, my sister learned to use linux in one week =)09:22
pussfelleryes, my point09:22
pussfellerunless  yer really old :)09:22
Tm_Tpussfeller: she's 2709:22
pussfelleri put kubuntu on the boys box09:23
Tm_T=)09:23
Tm_Tger2: got it working?09:23
ger2no, nothing09:24
Tm_Tok, I try it on my box09:24
ger2i'm googling with "show list" kdm kubuntu09:24
Tm_T=)09:24
ger2but no results...09:24
pussfellerreally tho, old people just don't get computers at all09:24
pussfellerthey don't understand even simple things like, using the mouse wheel to scroll09:24
Tm_Tger2: check ubuntu support pages09:24
pussfellerwhat are you trying to do09:24
ger2yeah, thanks09:24
ger2I want to show a few users on the logon screen, so we dont have to type the names09:25
Tm_Tpussfeller: so where's the difference, if it's hard then linux isn't harder, right?09:25
pussfellertheres a login manager in kde control center or some such09:25
ger2i've configured it but it just doesnt listen :(09:25
Tm_Tand linux is not hard to use09:25
Tm_Tyes, I try if I get any luckier, wish me luck ->09:26
pussfellerits not as easy as windows, altho kubuntu comes a long way09:26
Tm_Tpussfeller: I think linux is easier =)09:26
pussfellerits easier to fix things thats for sure09:26
Tm_TI was going ;) ->09:26
pussfellerif windows burps on a core level, you are hosed09:27
ger2even if i change the background, it doesnt listen to the configchange09:27
pussfellerat least, I am09:27
ger2does anyone know where i can check if kdm is the loginmanager?09:27
pussfellerehen you installed kubunut, it runs a script that changes it09:27
loren0_o XPDE doesn't have a channel on here09:27
lorenstrange09:27
ger2ohh09:28
ger2where can i configure it?09:28
pussfellerand there has to be a setting in etc for itsomewhere09:28
lorenok gimp homework done, next webdesign, literature, math and biology :P09:29
loreni wonder if i should write a pros/cons about photoshop/GIMP09:30
lorenany suggestions for a anything-goes paper for homework?09:30
pussfellersudo grep -r  "kdm" /etc/ will provide some useful clues09:30
pussfellerthe libertarian/linux axis?09:31
lorenlibertarian?09:32
lorenlike the OSS Axis?09:32
Tm_Tger2: bah, I even rebooted, ain't helping09:32
ger2pussfeller: checking09:32
pussfelleranti-authoritarian idealists09:32
pussfellerps ax | grep kdm09:33
lorenhmmh, very good i think im gonna write about something like that09:33
ger2yes, it's running09:33
lorenpussfeller: something like, about the OSS structure, how it works, and erm,09:33
lorenpussfeller: why it's quickly growing to a dominate position09:33
pussfellerif its running it will be there09:34
pussfelleri think i heard some people talking about how some parts of kde were not working so well, maybe thats one of them09:34
pussfelleri know you have to be root to change login stuff09:34
pussfellerits a slow train coming :)09:34
lorenKDM? i had problems with KDM boot something09:35
lorenit killed my computer09:35
lorenKDM Greeter09:35
lorenthat's what it was09:35
ger2hmm09:35
ger2well, i'm giving up for now..  I'll be back ;)09:36
ger2Thanks for your help!09:37
Tm_Tnp09:37
Tm_Terr, what help?09:37
pussfelleralot of the old timers who were part of the early internet were libertarians and socialist anarchists09:38
lorenLinus Toveralds09:38
lorenhow do you spell that?09:38
Tm_TTorvalds09:38
lorenthanks TM_T09:38
pussfelleri think hes a commie tho09:38
Tm_Tloren: np09:38
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Tm_Tloren: I should know how to spell a local hero's name ;p09:39
Tm_Tover 40 different languages! ;p09:39
pussfelleris MEW from finland09:39
Tm_Twha?09:39
lorenTm_T: XD haha, :P i'm still getting there lol, i'm writing a paper though and couldn't find the spellcheck button lol09:40
pussfellersome band from around that part of europe09:40
lorenTm_T: if it were to be in any spell check it'd be in OpenOffice.org's09:40
pussfelleri can never remember where they are from09:40
Tm_Tpussfeller: MEW? I'll check09:41
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Tm_Tloren: er, too many lol:s09:41
Tm_Tyou use lol as period or what?09:42
Tm_T:p09:42
lorenTm_T: something like that ;)              .09:42
lorenTm_T maby i can use period as lol haha09:42
pussfeller^-^09:42
lorenhaha          .         the paper almost caught on fire and i was ready to jump         . (example)09:43
pussfelleri always wondered, how the hell do japanese people type in japanese09:43
Tm_Thm09:43
pussfellerthey don't have words09:43
pussfellerjust a gazilion symbols09:44
lorengood question09:44
loreni think they type in english09:44
loreni've seen a japaneese keyboard09:44
lorenit's the same09:44
pussfelleri have seem em in movies typing japanese tho09:44
lorensymbols to describe a word?09:44
pussfelleryes they use a variety of chinese09:44
pussfellerno letters09:45
Tm_Tyes09:45
Tm_Tlike "television" is two "marks", a box and a moving picture or something09:46
Tm_Tdon't remember09:46
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ger2I've solved the puzzle, thanks to ubuntuforums10:07
ger2here it is: 10:07
ger2<div>There is an easy way to make <span class="highlight">KDM</span> follow the rules of kcontrol.<br>10:07
ger21. Open /etc/kde2/kdm/kdmrc in your favourite text editor (with root privilegies, preferably using sudo)<br>10:07
ger22. Scroll down until you see the section "[X-*-Greeter] " Scroll down some more, until you see the line "UseTheme=true".<br>10:07
ger23. Change the line you just found to "UseTheme=false"<br>10:07
ger24. <span class="highlight">KDM</span> will now follow the settings you set in kcontrol. The login box will be a window, though.</div>10:07
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ger2<!-- sig -->10:08
ger2<div>10:08
ger2__</div>10:08
ger2wh10:08
ger2never mind the html10:08
ger2didn't know it would paste that also10:08
Tm_Thmm10:09
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Gavrilahi there10:20
GavrilaI've got a problem mounting a vfat partition10:20
Tm_Tgo on10:20
Gavrilaroot@Punkov:/home/stefy # LANG="C" mount /dev/hda2 /musica10:20
Gavrilamount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or /musica busy10:20
Gavrilaobviously mtab doesn't show it as moutned10:21
Gavrilaotherwise I won't be here asking :)10:21
Tm_TGavrila: say "mount"10:21
Tm_Tis it listed there?10:21
Gavrilano, of course :)10:21
lorenok literature done, 3 pages XD10:22
Gavrilaroot@Punkov:/home/stefy # dmesg | grep hda10:22
Gavrila    ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio10:22
Tm_TGavrila: ok then, try force it10:22
Gavrilahda: Maxtor 6Y080L0, ATA DISK drive10:22
Gavrilahda: max request size: 128KiB10:22
Gavrilahda: 160086528 sectors (81964 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(133)10:22
Gavrilahda: cache flushes supported10:22
GavrilaTm_T: how can I force it?10:22
Tm_Tman mount10:22
pussfeller-f10:22
Tm_T=)10:23
Gavrilareally ?? I read it a lot of times... always missed it :P10:23
Tm_Theh10:23
pussfellerwhy would it not show up10:23
Tm_Thm10:23
Gavrilaactually -f stands for fake10:23
Gavrilanot force10:23
Tm_Thaha10:23
Gavrilaso I'm not the only one needing to read man mount :10:24
Gavrila:)10:24
Gavrilareading once more*10:24
pussfellermy wrieless is sooo slow10:25
Gavrilaso any hint about this issue^?10:25
Tm_TGavrila: ok, try -move otion10:25
Tm_Toption10:25
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Tm_TOR try first unmount it10:26
Tm_Tsometimes it helps10:26
pussfelleri have never had that happen10:26
pussfelleri have double mounted stuff10:26
Tm_Tpussfeller: it depend what filesystem you have10:27
Tm_T+s10:28
Gavrilaroot@Punkov:/ # LANG="C" mount -v --move -t vfat /dev/hda2 /musica10:28
Gavrilamount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,10:28
Gavrila       missing codepage or other error10:28
Gavrila       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try10:28
Gavrila       dmesg | tail  or so10:28
GavrilaI'm really clueless10:29
Tm_Tyou tried unmount it?10:30
Gavrilasure10:30
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Gavrilait says it's unmounted 10:30
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Tm_Teh10:31
Tm_Tso it's busy?10:31
Tm_Terr10:31
Tm_T"ok"10:31
Gavrilaroot@Punkov:/ # LANG="C" umount /dev/hda210:31
Gavrilaumount: /dev/hda2: not mounted10:31
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enver555hi10:32
enver555i have some problems10:32
GavrilaI repeat, it's not a common thing, otherwise I won't be asking for help... google didn't help and I really don't understand what's happening10:32
Tm_TGavrila: sorry can't think what's wrong10:32
enver555when i upgrade from my kubuntu hoary prerelease to kubuntu hoary release10:33
Tm_TGavrila: try force unmount, it might make difference10:33
GavrilaI'm beginning to think there's something wrong with the vfat module10:33
enver555the kdelibs-data package fails to install10:33
Tm_TGavrila: might be10:33
GavrilaTm_T: I don't know how to force anything with mount/umount10:33
enver555someone can help me to fix this?10:33
Tm_TGavrila: man umount10:33
Tm_Tenver555: you used apt-get distupgrade?10:34
Gavrilaroot@Punkov:/ # LANG="C" umount -fv /dev/hda210:35
GavrilaCould not find /dev/hda2 in mtab10:35
Gavrilaumount2: Invalid argument10:35
Gavrilaumount: /dev/hda2: not mounted10:35
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Tm_Thm10:36
Tm_TGavrila: so there's nothing I can help right now, sorry10:36
Gavrilathank you anyway for your time :)10:37
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Tm_Tnp10:38
linkin___I've problem too with mounting of my 7. Partition10:39
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_linkin_the partition is formated with FAT3210:40
Tm_Terr10:41
Tm_TGavrila: haha, you not believe this =)10:41
Tm_T_linkin_: so its vfat10:41
Tm_T_linkin_: same errors?10:41
_linkin_a bit different10:42
_linkin_i have written this:10:43
pussfelleris that a module or int he kernel10:43
_linkin_ /dev/hdd7       /media/windows/hdd7  vfat    umask=000       0       010:43
_linkin_in the fstab file10:43
_linkin_he tells me... that there is a error on line 11 in fstab (line 11 is the line, I've written here)10:44
Tm_T_linkin_: umask=000 ?10:45
Tm_Twhy10:45
_linkin_yes?...10:45
_linkin_http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat10:45
_linkin_^^10:45
pussfellerlsmod | grep fat10:45
Tm_TI never use such "umask" thing10:45
_linkin_i don't know, what the hell that thing is!10:46
_linkin_you though, that i must delete this "umask" from the line?10:46
enver555Tm_T : i can't use apt-get distupgrade10:46
enver555i use apt-get upgrade10:47
Tm_Tenver555: why can't?10:47
Tm_Thave you updated your repos?10:47
_linkin_(with =000)10:47
enver555yes daily10:47
enver555but apt-get says me that operation it's invalid10:47
Tm_Tenver555: and you use hoary repos?10:47
enver555yes10:48
Tm_Thmm10:48
Tm_Tenver555: I might missplelled it10:48
enver555yes 10:48
enver555apt-get dist-upgrade10:49
Tm_T_linkin_: I normally use ro,user,noauto10:49
Tm_Tenver555: eh, don't blame me, I haven't slept at all last night =)10:49
enver555fails the same that making apt-get upgrade10:49
enver555hehehe10:49
Tm_Tuhm10:49
enver555i don't blame you10:49
Tm_Twhat is the errormessage?10:50
enver555fails to install kdelibs-data10:51
enver555and this make fails kdelib10:52
_linkin_Tm_T: (like this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/sample/fstab_automountfat) ?10:52
enver555root@kropotkin:/home/enver555 # apt-get dist-upgrade10:52
enver555Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho10:52
enver555Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho10:52
enver555Tal vez quiera ejecutar `apt-get -f install' para corregirlo.10:52
enver555Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:10:52
enver555  kdelibs: Depende: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3) pero 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 est instalado10:52
enver555E: Dependencias incumplidas. Pruebe de nuevo usando -f.10:52
enver555this is the console output is in Spanish10:52
Tm_Tenver555: translate last line to me10:54
Tm_Tsomething "use -f to fix ?10:54
Tm_T"10:54
enver555yes 10:54
enver555i probe apt-get -f install10:54
enver555and fails also10:54
Gavrilaenver555: use LANG="C" before any command, before pasting the messages 10:54
Gavrilalike LANG="C" apt-get install10:54
Tm_T=)10:54
enver555OK10:55
enver555i don't know10:55
enver555this10:55
Tm_Tenver555: use "fi" please10:55
Tm_TGavrila: you don't have any "local guru" who might help?10:56
Gavrilahehe where? :)10:57
GavrilaI may shout loud at home.... wait10:58
Tm_Thaha10:58
Gavrilame shouting10:58
Gavrilano... nobody answered my call :D10:58
Tm_Tx)10:58
Tm_Tso you don't have any friend ho might help10:58
GavrilaI guess it's an Hal problem10:58
Tm_T+w10:58
Gavrilahal/dbus10:58
Tm_Tok then10:58
Gavrilano I haven't got any10:59
GavrilaI'm the guru... o-o10:59
Tm_Thaha11:00
Tm_Tbad luck11:00
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enver555root@kropotkin:/home/enver555 # LANG=fi apt-get -f install11:03
enver555Reading package lists... Done11:03
enver555Building dependency tree... Done11:03
enver555Correcting dependencies... Done11:03
enver555The following extra packages will be installed:11:03
enver555  kdelibs-data11:03
enver555The following packages will be upgraded:11:03
enver555  kdelibs-data11:03
enver5551 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.11:03
enver555212 not fully installed or removed.11:03
enver555Need to get 0B/8012kB of archives.11:03
enver555After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.11:03
enver555Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y11:03
enver555perl: warning: Setting locale failed.11:03
enver555perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:11:03
enver555        LANGUAGE = "es_ES:es:en_GB:en",11:03
enver555        LC_ALL = (unset),11:04
enver555        LANG = "fi"11:04
Tm_Terr11:04
enver555    are supported and installed on your system.11:04
enver555perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").11:04
enver555locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory11:04
enver555locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory11:04
enver555locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory11:04
Tm_Tcut it11:04
enver555Preconfiguring packages ...11:04
enver555(Reading database ... 101734 files and directories currently installed.)11:04
Tm_T:)11:04
enver555Preparing to replace kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (using .../kdelibs-data_4%3a3                                           .4.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb) ...11:04
enver555Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...11:04
enver555dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3_a                                           ll.deb (--unpack):11:04
enver555 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package kn                                           etworkconf11:04
enver555Errors were encountered while processing:11:04
enver555 /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb11:04
enver555E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)11:04
enver555sorry i don't have fi11:04
enver555;-)11:04
Tm_Tenver555: actually neither do I11:04
enver555?11:05
Tm_Tit's fi_FI.utf8 or something11:05
Tm_Tenver555: just move or rename that icon thing, that should fix it11:06
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enver555hehehe11:11
enver555the icon doesn't exists11:11
Tm_Terr11:12
Tm_Tthat's folder11:12
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enver555this maybe a package error11:13
cam__hi, i have a lcd monitor and in gnome it works fine but under kde the fonts look fluro11:13
cam__they dont look right and hurt my eyes11:13
enver555doesn't exist no folder or icon with that name11:13
Tm_Tcam__: check your desktop resolution11:13
cam__res is fine11:14
Tm_Tenver555: interesting11:14
enver555yes of course11:15
loren2am and more homework to do at 6am11:16
lorennight night11:16
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enver555i'm here11:19
enver555my xchat breaks11:20
cartel_oh yeah xchat11:20
enver555did you say something?11:20
Tm_Txchat :/11:20
cartel_is there a kdenative irc client supporting python scripting?>11:21
Tm_Thm11:21
cartel_xchat is to my knowlege the onl?11:21
cartel_only*11:21
Tm_Tcartel_: hm, tried irssi? ;)11:21
Tm_Tok, I'm going to shower ->11:22
_linkin_cYa ^^11:23
cartel_Tm_T: console irc client supporting python?11:23
Tm_Tcartel_: dunno, check irssi.org11:24
cartel_i want to move from using console irc client attatched thru ssh to using a gui11:24
Tm_T:)11:25
cartel_gah last update 200211:26
Pointwood_there's something really wrong with my system - X is taking up 2.7GB of mem :(11:26
_linkin_o.O!!! 2.7GB!!!!11:27
Pointwood_yup11:27
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_linkin_i think, it is normaly, that linux use all your mem for it self... if he needs some space, he cleans the mem and put the things into it... (sorry for my bad english :( )11:29
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_linkin_mem != HDD Space?11:30
_linkin_mem = the other thing... like "clipboard" ?11:30
_linkin_^^11:31
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Pointwood_well, I'm using ksysguard and Xorg have a VmSize of >2.7GB and a VmRss >650MB11:33
Pointwood_I'll restart X now11:35
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\shif anyone wants to test11:39
\shhttp://ubuntu.linux-server.org/qinx-1.4/11:40
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\shqnx photon insprired style,decoration,color-scheme...(C) by david johnson...11:40
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keugenesanhi all, can anyone tell me what is wrong with kubuntus soundsystem? I have to shut it down to have arts applications to work?11:47
enver555yes11:47
enver555maybe11:47
enver555i make this a lot11:47
enver555try to upgrade11:48
enver555i upgrade my system11:48
keugenesandid it help?11:48
enver555yes11:48
enver555i upgrade and i don't have problems with sound11:48
enver555system11:48
keugenesanthere is no new packages for 5.04 release11:48
enver555oh11:49
keugenesaneven not in universe11:49
enver555your upgrade11:49
enver555what sound card do you have?11:50
raphinoukmail is so slow (in imap ssl: 17000 mails in inbox and Maildir: 4000 mails in inbox) I had to install thunderbird. Do you also experience this?11:50
enver555i use kmail11:50
enver555and works well for me11:50
enver555but i use pop not imap11:51
keugenesanI use VIA8235, and amarok locks up on strartup and noatun plays a while and then die. While system sound manager works fine :-(11:52
enver555hmm11:52
enver555i don't have so much experience with sound system on mother board11:53
enver555but i don't like11:53
enver555it fails a lot 11:53
keugenesannever had a single problem. It uses standart AC97 codec. There is something in Kubuntu default sound config..11:54
keugenesanI think they made heavy changes to ARTS server. And there is no info on subject.11:55
keugenesanIs there and Develop Channel for Kubuntu?11:55
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enver555kubuntu-dev or kubuntu-devel11:56
enver555i forget the exactly name11:56
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keugenesanit's devel11:58
sparklinghi all11:58
sparklingi've downloaded the iso of kubuntu 5.04 final, i've tried to install so boot from cd, start the hardware recognization but when it arrives at "ide-cd: loaded successfully" then "ide         [success] " it freezes11:59
sparklingdo you know what is?11:59
keugenesansparkling: what type of IDE contrroller do u haVE?12:00
Tm_Tsparkling: cd is broken?12:00
sparklingthe cd is not broken12:00
sparklingthe ide is a normale eide hard disk12:00
sparklingno sata or scsi hard disk12:00
sparklingi've normally installed the ubuntu distro some days ago qithout problems12:01
sparklingwithout*12:01
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sparklingnow i'm trying to check the md5um of the cd12:02
keugenesansparkling: try to pass to kernel ide=nodma (or something) it may help.12:02
sparklingto do that do i have to write it on initial boot option?12:04
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sparklingthe checksum si correct12:06
sparklingnow i try the string12:06
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keugenesansparkling: yes u will have to press while it offers to tap Enter or type server, and see how called it's default kernel and add ide-nodma after default name.12:08
keugenesan(press TAB i ment)12:08
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sparklingok tnanks12:09
sparklingthanks12:09
sparklingi try :D12:09
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keugenesangood luck, google may help you with roght syntax12:10
sparklingok :D12:10
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_mikehi12:11
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Tm_Thm12:19
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smouchefolks, this is freaky:  suddenly I can't start any new processes, can't even use my panels to launch programs,12:57
smouchetask bar won't even work,12:58
Tm_Tsmouche: err, tried in konsole?12:58
smouchekonsole, and x-chat, and other processes already visible are working12:58
smoucheI got an error about "inter process communication authentication failed" or something like that12:59
stonedcoderyour dcop has died?12:59
smoucheyeah, dcop stonedcoder12:59
stonedcoderno more kde programs?12:59
smoucheexactly12:59
stonedcodergo to konsole and type: dcopserver ??12:59
smouchehow do I restart..12:59
stonedcoderwithout the ??01:00
stonedcoderso 01:00
smouchethanks...01:00
smouchelol01:00
stonedcoder# dcopserver01:00
stonedcodernp01:00
smoucheit's already running01:00
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stonedcodercool now try and launch something from kde01:01
smoucheI mean it was already running when I typed that command-- or so it told me01:01
stonedcodertry killall -hup dcopserver01:01
Tm_Tkillall <301:01
smoucheeverything's frozen, except konsole and xchat01:01
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smoucheok, done .01:02
Tm_T=)01:03
Tm_Thaha01:03
esherare there any nice ftp client for kde ?01:04
_linkin_kbear01:04
esherthx01:05
_linkin_np01:05
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Tm_Tgftp!01:06
_linkin_joa01:06
bchah hah hah Tm_T  -- you'll love this--01:06
_linkin_!01:06
_linkin_thats the better one ;)01:06
bc(this is smouche here, maybe with different name--)01:06
bcguess what irc client I'm using?01:06
Tm_Tbc: s ohit me then :)01:06
Tm_Tbc: IRSSI! <3<301:07
bcthis dcop business must be an evil plot of yours 01:07
Tm_T14:08 CTCP VERSION reply from bc: irssi v0.8.9 - running on Linux i68601:07
bcto get me to use irssi!01:07
Tm_Tmuahhaha01:07
bcfrom failsafe mode!01:07
bcbastard!  ;)01:07
Tm_Thihi01:08
bcum, who was helping me before?  sorry01:08
bcthat "killall -hud (?) dcopserver" or whatever worked-- sort of!01:08
Tm_Twasn't me ] ;=01:08
bcbut I think I could have ended that session less -- dramatically...01:09
esherconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check01:09
Tm_Tjust kill your X and restart it01:09
Tm_TI recommend to hit ctrl-alt-F1 end then kill X :p01:10
bcok -- will try - thanks 01:11
bc"arguments must be process or job id's"01:12
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widomoin01:12
bckill x and what else, Tm_T?01:12
widois reiser4 supported by the ubuntu kernel?01:13
Tm_Tbc: restart it01:14
bcTm_T it won't let me kill it!01:14
Tm_Tbc: saying what?01:14
Tm_Tgot root?01:14
bckill x -- I get "arguments must be process or job id's"01:14
thoreauputicbc: either  `killall X` or pkill or find the process ID number with ` ps aux | grep -i X `01:15
bcthnks thoreauputic -01:15
thoreauputicbc: kill needs a number, killall doesn't01:15
bctrying that --01:16
bckillall, no process killed01:16
Tm_Tkillall X ?01:16
thoreauputicbc: try it with sudo01:16
thoreauputicsudo killall X01:16
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bcok sudo first, then the other stuff...01:17
Tm_Thaha01:17
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Tm_Tincubiiiii01:17
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incubiiboooooogers...i mean Tm_T 01:18
incubii:P01:18
thoreauputic/usr/X11R6/bin/X runs as root, so root privileges are needed to kill it outright01:18
bcsudo isn't doing it-- trying ps aux etc...01:18
incubiiwhats up people01:19
thoreauputicbc ,  if gdm is running you can do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop01:19
raphinouI can't find kmail in the K menu. Shouldn't it be in the "internet" section?01:20
\shraphinou: kontact 01:21
\shstart it and u find kmail.01:21
raphinou\sh: actually, I wanted to set a shrtcut to kmail specifically01:22
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raphinoukmail seems much faster now. It was completely unuable this morning, but seems ok now.01:25
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=== bc was smouche, is in failsafe purgatory, irssi life-line, don't laugh Tm_T!
bcau secours!  hilfe ! help!01:29
ger2HI01:31
ger2anyone experience with synce?01:31
bcthoreauputic: following your instructions I managed to kill the x process...01:32
bcbut now I can't start "ksm server"01:32
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thoreauputicbc: I haven't followed what you were doing - I just suggested ways to kill X ;)01:33
bc"no write access to /home... .IceAuthority" blah blah01:33
bcmy dcop whatchamallit died01:33
thoreauputicbc: OK just do ` sudo rm ~/.ICEauthority01:34
thoreauputicit will regenerate01:34
bcthank you!  wish I knew how this happened -- kde just stopped working except for konsole and x-chat01:34
thoreauputicyou can change its ownership, but blowing it away is quicker and easier01:35
thoreauputicbc: .ICEauthority chages if you run X apps as root, for example (so don't)01:35
thoreauputic*changes01:35
\shraphinou: edit the k menu then :)01:35
raphinou\sh: already done, thx ;-)01:36
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bcok, I'm hitting ^alt f1 for this -- see you in a bit i hope...01:36
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bcok, I think I got a handle on this, thanks thoreauputic -- it's been educational01:39
bcunfortunately, now I have to go to work!01:40
thoreauputicbc: no worries: that .ICEauthority thing usually happens when you try to run X apps as another user - particularly root. You should avoid doing that01:40
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bcI didn't, as far as I know, thoreauputic -- but I don't know what you mean exactly by "X apps" ... lol Tm_T -- there are easier ways to make converts to irssii01:41
bcthan magically trashing my sessions! ha hahhh hhah!01:41
thoreauputicbc: graphical apps :) apps that run in pretty windows !01:42
bcthoreauputic: all I was doing before the ICEauthority warning was -- running in failsafe with blue wallpaper and a term window01:42
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Tm_T=)01:43
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bcbefore that, when dcop died, I don't know how that happened01:43
thoreauputicbc: failsafe mode runs as root, AFAIK - hence the issue01:43
bcwell, there I am then.  Pretty f*&&*8ing damn useless as a failsafe!01:44
Tm_Tbc: I commit nothing!01:44
bcaaargh -- I'll figure out these catch 22's another time-- yes, I know, Tm_T 01:44
thoreauputicbut I may be wrong, since I don't ever use "failsafe" mode, preferring to use a tty login instead01:44
bcI could have used a non graphical term for this !!01:44
Tm_T=)01:45
thoreauputicbc: sure01:45
bcI was kind of in a rush01:45
bcjesus01:45
Tm_Tyes?01:45
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Tm_Thaha01:45
thoreauputicbc: when troubleshooting, single user mode in a tty is better IMO01:46
thoreauputicie init 101:46
thoreauputicbut in level 1 you have no networking, of course01:46
bchmmm01:46
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bcthanks for your help guys-- gotta go 01:47
bcand boot windows, just to check my mail till I get this linux thing working !!! aaargh bye01:47
thoreauputicctrl-alt-F1 -- F6 are options01:47
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Tm_Tthoreauputic: when you are in tty already, only alt-F? is required :)01:49
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archstercan someone point me to a change log .. from kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso - 30-Mar-2005 00:22  584M ** to **  kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso - 07-Apr-2005 07:18  572M01:51
thoreauputicTm_T: thanks :) I actually *did* know that ;)01:52
thoreauputicTm_T: you can use alt + arrow to change, too :)01:53
Gavrilahas anyone manged to setup the java plugin in konqueror?01:55
incubiion x86, yes01:56
incubiion ppc, fuck no01:56
incubiilol01:56
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Gavrilau01:57
Gavrilaincubii: I can't do it on x86... how did u do that01:57
GavrilaI've installed of course the j2sdk (i need the sdk)01:57
incubiiits was a matter of installing the plguin and telling konq to rescan01:57
incubiinever did anything else01:57
GavrilaI did so but he doesnt' see01:57
Gavrilait doesn't see it*01:58
Gavrilasorry I was thinking in Italian :P01:58
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thoreauputicwb smouche :)01:58
Gavrilaincubii: which version of java plugin?01:59
smouchewow.  that was not fun.  But educational01:59
thoreauputicsmouche: working now?01:59
smouchethanks, thoreauputic -- heh heh, at least I managed to get back to normal (?) without rebooting!01:59
smouchewoo hoo!01:59
incubii1.4.201:59
thoreauputicsmouche: back on xchat in Linux - good man !02:00
smouchegood thing I wrote that stuff down...02:00
thoreauputicsmouche: ah, pencil and paper are the most useful texhnology of all *grin*02:01
thoreauputic*technology02:01
smouchewell, thoreauputic , I know I was an idiot -- I could have started x-chat in the "failsafe" mode -- but, hell, I had a term window running, 02:01
smouchethought I'd make Tm_T happy!02:01
smoucheusing irssi (sp?)02:01
thoreauputicsmouche: irssi is very useful if X takes a holiday :)02:01
archstercan someone point me to a change log for kubuntu02:02
smoucheyeah, good thing I wrote that stuff down -- since I don't know how to set automatic logging in irssi yet ;-)02:02
smouchewish I knew why I got that "interprocess communication" authentication error, whatever the hell it was, in the first place02:03
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thoreauputicsmouche:  http://irssi.org/  <-- plce to go to be thoroughly confused by the many options of irssi02:03
incubiiyou didnt stick you floppy in the drive02:03
smouchealright, really truly off to work now, just wanted to thank you again, thoreauputic , and Tim_T-- 02:04
smouchelol thoreauputic - I know, and there are like 8000 scripts02:04
thoreauputicsmouche: you're welcome02:04
smouchehave a good day, er night? er... anyway bye!02:04
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Gavrilawhen are packages in universe updated? how much often?02:15
freexjust install a fresh hoary, but Konqueror crash every now and then02:15
Gavrilahow often*02:15
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closurefreex, you've noticed02:16
freexis this a know bug?02:16
closurefreex, i'm not sure what the hell it is02:16
freexis there a patch for this one?02:16
closurefreex, no idea, i've just noticed people complaining about it02:16
closurefreex, mine crashes as well but i limit my complaints cause half the time i think it's my fault02:17
closurebut today alone i've had 3 crashes i think02:17
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freexyeah, thats might be also possible but its a fresh install hoary and i got it almost every time02:17
freexi feel like it wants to be part of my desktop02:18
freexis it the new wall paper or somethin?02:18
freexthis is really frustating02:18
Tm_Tthoreauputic: eh, irssi is powerful for everyday use =)02:20
thoreauputicTm_T: I don't disagree :)02:21
closurefreex i get it when i am exploring my file system02:23
closureit will crash when i put it in the background02:23
Tm_Tthoreauputic: just ctcp version me ;p02:25
thoreauputicTm_T: my ctcp version reply is more interesting :) try it !02:26
freexis there a patch for this one?02:27
freexi like KDE a lot but its sad to know this is happening02:28
thoreauputicTm_T: ctcp version me and check your msg buffer ;-)02:30
archstercan someone point me to a change log .. from kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso - 30-Mar-2005 00:22  584M ** to **  kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso - 07-Apr-2005 07:18  572M02:31
archsteror just tell me what was changed and if it requires another download02:31
thoreauputicarchster: just do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 02:32
archsterok ... what about for the live cd's there are the same 2 releases02:34
archsterI don't understand that there is no change log available for either ubuntu or kubuntu and the http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-April/date.html isn't exactly what I'm looking for02:35
thoreauputicarchster: april 7 is the final release I guess ( actually released on the 8th )02:35
archsterI just want a list .. like other distros have ..02:35
archsterok02:35
thoreauputicarchster: you might ask where the changelog is in #ubuntu-devel02:35
thoreauputicarchster: there must be one somewhere02:36
Riddellarchster: for format would you like it in?02:37
archsterhttp://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386  <-- something like that02:38
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Tm_Tthoreauputic: ok, I'll do that :)02:41
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Tm_Tthoreauputic: err02:42
Tm_Thaha02:42
Tm_Tincident :p02:43
thoreauputic_Tm_T: hehe02:45
closurelame02:46
closurei ran the automated script to install plugins and such to firefox and it did not support mp302:46
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archsterthought I might have figured out a work around by goint to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuHoaryReleaseKnownProblems ... but I can't get it to load ?? will it load for you thoreauputic ?02:49
archsterah finally02:49
archster.. as soon as I left the browser it loaded .. lol02:50
thoreauputicarchster: the site is under strain and slow the last few days02:50
archsterk02:50
Tm_Terr, test self-generated locale ->02:56
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Tm_Tok, this is great =)03:12
Tm_Tthose default utf-8 locales sucks03:12
Tm_T'cause I need ISO-8859-15 locale03:13
Tm_Tso I generated one =)03:13
RiddellTm_T: why do you need latin 15?03:15
Tm_TRiddell: I tell you, 99% of irc channels (and actually other systems too) is latin-903:17
Tm_TI mean what I use03:18
Tm_TRiddell: you use utf-8 then? you must love if whole screen looks like this: pp03:18
Tm_TIf that shows buggy03:19
Riddellall the kde irc channels are utf-8 zones, we have to be international03:19
Tm_Tyes03:21
Tm_TRiddell: BUT I mostly irc in finnish channels03:21
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RiddellTm_T: all the more reason why they should be utf-8 :)03:22
Tm_TRiddell: nope03:22
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gsuvegre03:22
Tm_TRiddell: how to tell all over 40 000 finnish irc users to set their clients to use utf-8 ?03:23
gsuvegwhere can i edit file type + default apps ?03:23
RiddellTm_T: get the coolest most elite ones to use utf-8 and the rest will have to follow03:23
Tm_TRiddell: bah, I'll kick your ass03:23
Riddellgsuveg: Konqueror  Settings -> Configure Konqueror03:23
gsuvegRiddell: thanks03:26
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gsuvegRiddell: works03:28
\shriddell: hey :)03:29
gsuvegRiddell: its funny: use quanta + cervisia, click to file to edit, and open bluefish ;)03:29
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Riddellglass-eye: that's plain sanity03:30
Riddellgsuveg: hmm, we should fix that03:31
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Riddell\sh: yo yo03:31
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Tm_Tglass-eye: noooooooo!!103:32
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Tm_Tglass-eye: at least leave debian into your web server okay?03:32
glass-eyeTm_T: i don't have a server...so its all good :)03:33
Tm_Thaha03:33
Riddellkubuntu makes good sense for a web server03:33
Tm_Tnah03:33
Tm_TDebian <303:33
glass-eyei installed kubuntu on my desktop at home on saturday, i played around with it and installed it in 15 minutes on my laptop...i'm liking this03:33
glass-eyethe debian desktop was always a little harsh in my opinion, i liked the distro but kubuntu makes that all better03:34
glass-eyeanyway...off to work03:34
\shRiddell: i resolved all the warnings from lintian...but not the .desktop warning...not myfault ;)03:34
Riddell\sh: the .desktop warning are a beastie in lintian03:34
Riddell\sh: and done the .orig.tar.gz thing?03:35
Tm_Tglass-eye: debian is not meant to be as in desktop ues :)03:36
Tm_Tuse03:36
Tm_Tbut it's the ultimate server distro =)03:36
Tm_Tunless you prefer BSD or Solaris or other03:36
Riddelldebian is just as good in either place, kubuntu is just as better in either place03:36
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\shRiddell: added everything also the kthememanager theme03:54
\shRiddell: http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/qinx-1.403:54
\shbut now i have a strange thing03:55
\shPSI + gnupg :)03:56
\shi select my key in the account options 03:56
\shtrying to connect to the jabber server03:56
\shnothing happens03:56
\shremove the key ... i can connect03:56
\shthe connection and authentication is ok03:56
Riddell\sh: it seems to run configure twice04:00
\shriddell: hmmm....the first one, it compiles04:01
\shthe secondone i don't know...i thought it was correct ;)04:01
Riddellit seems to run configure again before the install04:02
\shhmmm..wait a moment :) I'm using the cbds tools04:02
\shRiddell: he does it with another package as well..04:03
\shstrange04:03
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Riddell\sh: which package?04:05
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Riddell\sh: I think the kde.mk that comes with cdbs is out of date04:06
Skamanhi guys04:06
Skamancan anybody help me04:06
Skaman?04:06
Riddell\sh: try apt-get source kdelibs and using the kde.mk from there04:06
Skamani have 1/2 system in ITalian 1/2 in eng04:06
Skamankde is in US-eng04:07
RiddellSkaman: what's in italian and what's in english?04:07
Skamanall the rest in Italian04:07
RiddellSkaman: that'll be because the kde-i18n packages arn't on the CD04:07
RiddellSkaman: sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-it04:07
Skamani made the upgrade from ubuntu to kubuntu04:07
Skamanvia apt-get04:08
SkamanO_o04:08
Skamananyway let me try04:08
Skamani'm gettin the package04:08
Riddellyeah, we need to get language-support sorted for KDE04:08
Skamanthnx04:08
Skamankde rox04:08
Skaman^^04:08
Skamani tired to use gnome for a while but i can't04:09
Skamantried *oops*04:09
\shriddell: can u check the rules file? could it be that autotools.mk is one entry too many?04:09
Riddell\sh: looks fine to me, try using the kde.mk from a recent kde package04:10
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Skamanthnx rideel04:10
\shriddell: build starts now ;)04:10
Skamanand how can I remove all Gnome Stuff??04:11
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\shRiddell: the same with kde.mk from kdelibs04:16
Riddellbah04:16
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Riddelldon't ye just have autoconf04:17
Riddells/have/hate/04:17
Tm_Terr04:17
Tm_Tautoconf is ok04:17
\shriddell: i commented in the autotools04:17
\shnow04:17
\shrestart build04:17
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pimstop04:20
SkamanAfter updating from ubuntu to kubuntu how can i clean my system from gnome packages?04:23
RiddellSkaman: apt-get remove libgtk2.0-004:23
KaiL_--purge :)04:23
Skamanand this way i clean allll??????04:23
Skamanas if i installed kubuntu directly?04:23
KaiL_Skaman: that removes gtk and everything depending on it04:24
Skamanook04:24
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Skamanthnk u very very much04:26
Skamanremoving 410 mb of trashes04:26
Skaman^^04:26
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`TUX`hi04:31
`TUX`there is a  gui or applet of  powernowd?04:31
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Tm_T`TUX`: you tried apt-cache search it?04:33
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`TUX`yes 04:34
`TUX`i have powernowd running now 04:34
`TUX`but  i can't find any  applet 04:35
`TUX`for  the  systray04:35
Tm_Thm04:35
Tm_Tkde-look.org?04:35
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KaiL_klaptopdaemon might be able to do that, but it doesn't work, if you aren't on a laptop..:(04:36
Tm_T:)04:36
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\shriddell: the same without autotools.ml04:40
\sh-l+k04:40
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KaiL_kdetv in kubuntu?04:45
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Tm_TKaiL_: if not, install it04:46
KaiL_not even on the ubuntu servers :/04:46
closurek so this whol konq crashing thing needs to be fixed lol04:53
KaiL_isn't that a kde bug?04:54
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closureKaiL_, i'm not sure04:57
closurei've had hoary pretty much the whole time i've had ubuntu04:57
closuresomeone said they upgraded to hoary and it crashes more04:58
KaiL_what crashes there? khtml?04:58
closurewhat crashes? konqueror04:58
closurei only use Konq for browsing my file system04:58
closureand it crashes when i put it in the background or run another app04:58
Tm_Thmm05:00
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KaiL_WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! << how to get rid of this warning with apt 0.6?05:02
_roothello05:03
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buzany nforce 4 users here?05:08
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skamanhey guys do I have to use different sources.list in kubuntu?05:14
skamani upgraded from ubuntu05:14
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Riddellskaman: nope, same sources05:15
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RiddellKaiL_: install gnupg05:18
KaiL_uhm, is installed...05:19
miklI am teh bomb05:20
RiddellKaiL_: then you are probably using unauthenticated soures05:20
KaiL_deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse05:20
glass-eyeruh-roh05:21
RiddellKaiL_: should be fine05:21
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KaiL_Riddell: I've upgraded from debian/sarge, that might cause the problem?05:24
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\shriddell: i tried another alternative .. no change05:29
glass-eyeman, timeout on apt setup in the installer is crappy05:31
Riddell\sh: hmm, fooey.  put what you have on your webserver and I'll try and take a look at it sometime05:31
\shwell..i think i have it right now...i know where the mistake is05:31
Riddell\sh: oh?05:31
\shok...now I know...so i'll have to fix it...will tell u later what issue it was...stupid me05:32
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SuperCatFroghi - is it possible to get libdvdcss in kubuntu? 05:33
RiddellSuperCatFrog: from marillat05:33
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SuperCatFrogriddell - what's marillat?05:34
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RiddellSuperCatFrog: a repository, see apt-get.org05:35
SuperCatFrogok thanks05:35
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_davehello05:37
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SuperCatFroggday05:38
Oorwormhi05:38
OorwormGot Kubuntu installed?05:38
miklOorworm: sure do :)05:38
Oorwormhehe05:39
OorwormI'm new to linux and Kubuntu, but i like it...05:39
Oorwormjust a little strange with all the codes and stuff comparing to Windows05:39
RiddellOorworm: codes?05:40
Oorwormi tried to add repositories, but it dosn't seem to function correctly05:40
Oorwormi followed this guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories05:40
Oorwormeverything seemed ok, but when i did apt-get update afterwards i got an error05:41
Riddellwhat's the error?05:41
Oorworm99% [Packages gzip 0]                                                                                                                              97B/s 13s05:42
Oorwormgzip: stdin: unexpected end of file05:42
OorwormFout ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages05:42
Oorworm  Subproces gzip gaf de foutcode 1 terug05:42
Oorworm3780kB opgehaald in 2m2s (30,9kB/s)05:42
OorwormOphalen van ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/Release Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) is mislukt05:42
OorwormOphalen van ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz Subproces gzip gaf de foutcode 1 terug is mislukt05:42
OorwormPakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar05:42
OorwormE: Ophalen van sommige indexbestanden is mislukt, deze zijn of genegeerd, of er zijn oudere versies van gebruikt.05:42
Oorwormit's in dutch. Hope u can read it05:42
Oorwormdoenst seem to find some packages or so i think...05:43
Oorwormthe other ones update fine05:44
RiddellOorworm: chances are marillat doesn't have amd6405:44
Oorwormto i delete them from the sourceslist or do i have to find them from somewhere else?05:45
Oorwormdo i05:45
SuperCatFrogoorworm - delete that line and add a different  one (check it supports AMD64 first)05:45
SuperCatFrogapt-get.org allows you to search by package and by arch (x86-64)05:46
Oorwormhow do i know which ones i need or need to add and where do i find them?05:46
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SuperCatFrogoorworm - apt-get.org05:46
Oorwormk, i'll take a look05:46
Oorwormthx Frogmaster ;-)05:46
SuperCatFrogargh! arts is burning my ears05:47
SuperCatFrog.....must.....wait.....for.....xinelib.....to....download05:47
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SuperCatFrogdoes anybody else notice the appalling sound quality of arts, or is it just me?05:50
SuperCatFrogits like im listening to 32kbps wma files (slight exaggeration)05:51
Oorwormhey Supercat, which packages should i need to perfectly view divx, xvid,... ?05:52
SuperCatFrogooworm - just apt-get install mplayer should do the job05:52
SuperCatFrogalthough im new to all things debian - im a recent gentoo convert, so im not sure how mplayer is packaged05:53
Oorwormthx05:55
SuperCatFrogs'ok05:55
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gnumdkhello05:55
SuperCatFroghello05:56
gnumdki've got a problem with kubuntu, no way to set X default cursor, i want to set it as a global system settings, so i change /usr/lib/X11/icons/default/index.theme like in debian, but it doesn't work05:56
SuperCatFroggnumdk - possibly /etc/skel?05:57
gnumdk:)05:57
gnumdkyeah, but my problem it that knemo use system cursor, it doesn't use user one, don't know why05:57
SuperCatFroghmmm05:58
SuperCatFrogcould you symlink /usr/lib/X11/icons/default to the dir of your favourite cursor theme?05:59
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gnumdkSuperCatFrog: doesn't work06:00
SuperCatFrogoh06:00
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SuperCatFrogive no idea then06:00
gnumdkok, thanx06:00
ubuntuhello?06:00
Tm_Thullo06:00
SuperCatFroghello06:00
gnumdklooking for seb128 from ubuntu06:00
ubuntuthis is the first time I've used IRC sorry.06:00
Tm_Tubuntu: no problemo, so what's in your mind then?06:01
ubuntummm, just checking out ubuntu using a live cd.  want to see what all the fuss is about.06:01
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SuperCatFrogubuntu - which distro would you be potentially converting from?06:02
ubuntutentatively... MEPIS06:02
ubuntuMEPIS really impressed me with it's ease of use, but the lack of support is atrocious.06:03
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ubuntunot to mention various hardware issues.06:03
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SuperCatFrogubuntu - was there any particular tool in mepis that made the ease of use? (something like mandrakes *drake programs?)06:04
ubuntummm, not really.  more like good for a quick install and a good array of programs.06:04
ubuntuI'm happy enough using synaptic or kpackage for package management.  System management was OK overall.06:05
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SuperCatFrogubuntu - if you use real debian repositories, ubuntu has the same packages as mepis, kindof06:05
ubuntuhmmm, I understand they are both debian-based.06:06
ubuntuthing is MEPIS is all pre-configured for the most part.06:06
ubuntumost things work quite well without intervention.06:06
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kosmoHowdy all, in 5.04 kubuntu have to issue xhost + each boot, didn't have to do this in preview release, why the change?06:07
SuperCatFrogubuntu - kubuntu seems to have preconfigured just about everything for me06:07
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SuperCatFrogkosmo - maybe a security enhancement. just put it in your ~/.xinitrc file06:07
ubuntuhmmm, ok fair enough then.  easy enough to add firefox + skype and other things?06:07
SuperCatFrogyou'l probably have to add other repositories, but apart from that, just apt-get06:08
SuperCatFrog(or kynaptic)06:08
kosmoSuperCatFrog - thanks06:08
closureubuntu, don't you have to buy mepis?06:08
closureubuntu, i hadn't even heard of that distro till someone mentioned it here06:08
closurei couldn't see any high points to it though personaly06:09
ubuntunono, It's free.06:09
closureoh i was understanding it to be like mandrake and such where you have to pay for parts of it06:09
ubuntuhmmm, well moving from suse to it was a big step in the right direction for me personally.  RPM's just get to me...06:09
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ubuntunot that I know of...06:09
SuperCatFrogubuntu - rpm's just get to everybody06:10
closure*shrugs* i was happily nested here in ubuntu when i read it06:10
ubuntualthough I did buy the book "Point and Click Linux" for a customer of mine.06:10
closurethis ubuntu + KDE is just bomb diggity though if you ask me06:10
ubuntusuper - lol, i have begun to notice that.06:10
closureonly complaint i have is there's no easy way to put video/audio into firefox06:10
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closurewell atleast mp3 support hasn't been added yet06:10
ubuntuclosure - yes i have preferred KDE for some time.  yeah that's the issue that worries me too.06:11
closurei'm unsure of wav06:11
closurei just got this script that auto installed a bunch of crap but i still can't hear mp3s and video like wmp will not play06:11
closurethough i don't believe there is a wmp codec for linux06:11
ubuntu ouch06:11
SuperCatFrogclosure - mp3 is working out the box in amarok06:11
closurehowever it did add serious java support06:12
closureSuperCatFrog, not on my box06:12
ubuntummm, well dvd jon supposedly produced one a while back.06:12
SuperCatFrogclosure - wma and wmv have mplayer plugins06:12
closureSuperCatFrog, i got xmms06:12
closureSuperCatFrog, but i can't use it for a plugin in firefox06:12
ubuntusuper - yeah but the wmv is buggy as hell.06:12
closurei got all my crap playing pretty much06:12
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closurei got xine for video and xmms for audio06:12
closurethat's all straight06:12
closurebut i can't get it to play inside of firefox06:12
closurei don't know how to set that up06:13
ubuntudamn it took me forever to get libcss running on Suse... so glad I can just apt-get it for debian based distros.06:13
Riddellubuntu: /nick something06:13
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closurelol06:13
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closuregood move Solaris444 06:14
Solaris444sorry about that!06:14
SuperCatFrogclosure  - in gentoo, i used a package called menplayer06:14
SuperCatFrogim not sure if its in debian or not though06:14
Solaris444never heard of it...06:14
closureSuperCatFrog, and that added video/audio to firefox?06:15
closurelike on web pages and such06:15
SuperCatFrogclosure yes, i think so06:15
closurehrm06:15
closurelet me see if it's in here06:15
SuperCatFrogit worked in opera, which uses netscape plugins (like firefox)06:15
Solaris444damn though there seems to be a serious lack of good media players for both Linux AND windows.06:15
Solaris444the base kubuntu live cd seems pretty bare.  does it support automounting?06:16
closurenope no plug in >8-/06:16
SuperCatFrogsolaris - amarok for music, mplayer or xine for video - you cant go wrong with those two06:17
SuperCatFrog*three, you cant go wrong with those _three_06:18
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Solaris444lol06:18
Solaris444well amorak seems pretty decent. just ran it now.06:18
SuperCatFrogthe reason i list two video players is mplayer is better than xine, except for dvd's. also the xine library as output for amarok is much nicer sounding than arts, and there isn't an mplayer out plugin06:19
Solaris444i assume it comes with the default kde libraries?06:19
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SuperCatFrogsolaris - you assume what comes with the default kde libs?06:19
Solaris444amorak.06:19
SuperCatFrogyes06:19
Solaris444cool.06:19
SuperCatFrogas of 3.4 iirc06:19
Solaris444i suspected as much.  i think kde 3.4 is easily a match for winxp...06:20
SuperCatFrogsolaris - i thought the same about kde 3.1.4 (the first version of kde i used)06:20
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closureSolaris444, xmms06:21
closureis the way06:21
closureor BMP06:21
Solaris444interesting.  my first version was 3.2 (rc1 i think).06:21
closurebeep media player or whatever but i think it's just a skinned xmms06:21
Solaris444closure - xmms has always been an issue for me.  the lag between playback and action is too high.06:22
closureSolaris444, try bmp06:23
SuperCatFrogi prefer the playlist style media players, like juk and amarok. i prefer amarok to juk because it supports xine-lib for audio out and because its so pretty (downloading album covers, downloading lyrics, etc)06:23
closureSuperCatFrog, there is a playlist in xmms/bmp06:23
closure>8-P06:23
Solaris444super - that gets brownie points in my book.06:23
closureyou click the thing that says "PLS" or something like that06:24
closureand an equalizer06:24
closureit's just like winamp06:24
SuperCatFrogi know, but i mean media players that have an interface based around the playlist, not with the playlist looking like an afterthough 06:24
Solaris444mmm, no i think i see what he means.06:24
SuperCatFrog*afterthought06:24
closureahh06:24
closurei don't like all my shit in one place and i definitely don't like it cached in the player06:24
closurei've got like 200+ gigs of shit though so it is kind of confusing when it's all in one place06:25
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Solaris444heh.06:25
Solaris444fair enough.06:25
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SuperCatFrogclosure - also amarok supports monitoring directories, so if you add a file to one of your audio dir's, amarok will add it. plus you can have smart playlists (when i use it long enough to have a score for the songs, i can select just the top 70 songs so i dont have to listen to my gf's crap)06:26
closureand botton line amarok does not play on my comp06:26
Solaris444can't say my collection is anywhere near that long.06:26
Solaris444what os you running?06:27
closureerr bottom06:27
closureSolaris444, hoary + kde06:27
closureon this computer06:27
closurei've got a few though06:27
SuperCatFrogclosure - why doesn't it run on your comp? is amarok a memory/processor hog? 06:27
closureSuperCatFrog, honestly i don't know06:28
SuperCatFrog(doesn't slow me down at all so ive not noticed, and its never near the top of `top`)06:28
closureit just doesn't open06:28
Solaris444closure - ok cool.  sounds like you got something decent there.06:28
SuperCatFrogoh rite, odd06:28
closureit says 'file type not supported' or something06:28
closure2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [i686/448.31MHz] 06:28
closureshe's a smoker lol06:28
SuperCatFroglol06:28
closurethis is just a little project laptop i got from a friend06:29
closureit had 98se on it06:29
closureand it drove me nuts constantly crashing and running like urine so i ordered ubuntu and i think it's great06:29
SuperCatFrogi dont know what i'd do without my athlon-xp-2000+ and gig of ram. i think i'd really suffer if i couldn't have those specs06:29
closuremy desktop is a 2.4ghz and 128+512 ram06:30
closurethat runs xp though06:30
SuperCatFrogi think i'd really suffer if i had to run XP too#06:30
closureit needs to be reworked though i haven't had anywhere to put my files06:30
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closureon that thing i don't think i'd run linux06:31
closurenot with all the issues with media06:31
closurei really just want a damn PPC06:32
Solaris444heh.06:32
Solaris444damn you must have that thing stuffed with HDD's and memory.06:32
Solaris444incidentally, anyone checked out the OOo 2.0 beta yet?06:32
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\shok..now it for sure...i have a long night in front of me...f*cking digital tv stuff06:32
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closureno i've got a couple other boxes running as file servers pretty much06:32
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Oorwormare there 64-bit flash, java players and acrobat reader?06:33
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Oorwormcan't seem to install them06:33
Solaris444ok nite all. it's 1am here.06:33
Solaris444thanks for the advice etc. :-)06:34
closurenight Solaris444 06:34
SuperCatFrogoorworm - there's gplflash - that might run on amd64, as might blackdown java06:34
SuperCatFrognite solaris06:34
SuperCatFrogor ibm-java might run on amd6406:34
SuperCatFrogno idea about acrobat06:34
SuperCatFrogcant you run them in 32bit mode?06:34
Oorwormdon't know. Surfing the web here and tried to install them but thet say that there is no package for my browser,...06:35
SuperCatFrogfor your browser?06:36
SuperCatFrogoic06:36
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puckmanHello06:36
puckmanI just re-installed kubuntu but the hardware clock of my machine was set to 190406:37
SuperCatFroghello06:37
puckmanso now all the files on my system think they were made in 190406:37
puckmanis there a way to correct this?06:37
SuperCatFrogpuckman  -as root, do this:06:37
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SuperCatFrogfind . | xargs touch06:38
SuperCatFrogthat should update all your files timestamps to the current date06:38
SuperCatFrogit'l take a while though06:38
SuperCatFrogerm06:39
SuperCatFrogset the clock properly first though, or you'l just be setting them to 1904 again06:39
puckmanI set the clock06:39
puckmanargh06:39
puckmanmy keyboard layout is differnt :P06:39
puckmandont know where the pipe is06:39
puckmaneek06:39
OorwormSupercat > Can you tell me where to get the w32codecs, cause "sudo apt-get install w32codecs" doesn't work06:39
SuperCatFrogif your in X, copy it06:39
puckmanI wish someone did a mac keyboard mapping06:39
SuperCatFrogooworm - mplayerhq.org has them06:40
Oorwormk thx06:40
bhnaOorworm: look at ubuntu wiki restricted formats marilat06:40
Oorwormi'll take a peep06:41
Oorwormthx06:41
SuperCatFrogive got to get back to gentoo so i can record homo+gay for my GF in mythtv06:41
SuperCatFrogcya's06:41
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SuperCatFrogactually, i'l be back in a minute, i'l come back from there06:42
jsubl2anybody else noticed problems with hald seem to make konqueror crash06:42
puckmansupercat, I did that06:44
puckmanbut it does not do anything06:44
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puckman"find . | xargs touch" right?06:44
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toastiethis is fun06:49
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Oorwormbhna> Marilat doens't have amd64 codecs06:51
bhnahi what is the diffrent between packeges linux-kernel-header and linux-headers-2.6.10-5 06:52
bhnaOorworm: sorry :-(06:52
OorwormSupercat> is it possible that mplayerhq.org doens't exist? can't find there website...06:52
OorwormNo probs bhna. Thx 4 trying to help06:52
jsubl2http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html06:53
Oorwormthx dude06:53
toastiecould someone version check me please?06:54
toastieand pm me06:54
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SuperCatFroghello again06:59
Oorwormok, i downloaded the codecs07:00
Oorwormhow can i install/use them?07:00
Oorwormhi07:00
SuperCatFrogoorworm - there's instructions on the mplayerhq site, although if there is a package available you should use that07:01
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SuperCatFrogbrb07:03
puckmanoorworm..... you dutch by any chance?07:03
Oorwormyep07:03
Oorwormbelg07:03
puckmanah, belg aint dutch07:03
Oorwormhehe07:03
Oorwormbut i speak dutch07:03
puckmanFlemish.07:04
puckmanDont say it is dutch, my pervious employer paid me 3000 quid extra a year because I spoke belgium07:04
puckman:P07:04
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Jefisgeneral error: missing L0 device in ifconfig07:08
SuperCatFrogback07:11
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nakataoi... my arts setup lacks the ability to decode mp3s, what do i have to do to rectify this?07:30
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Riddellnakata: akode-mpeg from universe07:32
nakataamazing07:33
nakataRiddell: <3 <-love07:33
nakatathat only took... one week to fix07:34
Riddellyou're welcome07:35
Riddellit is in the FAQ07:35
nakataforget the faq, it should be in suggested packages when you install arts or amarok ;/07:35
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Tm_Tnakata: no it should not, because of license issue07:36
KaiL_suggested, not depend!07:37
Tm_Twell, they can't even suggest it ;p07:37
Tm_Tit's unofficial, you know?07:38
KaiL_it's not allowed to say, that it exists?07:38
nakatalicense where?07:38
Tm_Tnakata: mpeg isn't a "free" format07:38
nakatasure it is.07:39
Tm_Teh07:39
nakatawhere isn't it free?07:39
Tm_Terr, sorry, I can explain it by finnish :p07:40
nakatathat's fine07:40
_buzanybody know how i can print from osx to a cups printer on kubuntu (osx uses cups and ipp, too)07:40
Tm_Tnakata: eli selitn suomeksi07:40
Riddellnakata: EPO countries, US and elsewhere07:40
Tm_TRiddell: thank you, my english is quite restricted07:41
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Tm_TRiddell: it was something to do 'bout patent issue right? can't remember exactly07:43
Tm_Thm, maybe I should doublecheck my lines =)07:44
KaiL_afair somebody might have some patents on mpeg, they are normally not allowed to use, as they worked on mpeg development...07:45
Tm_T:)07:45
KaiL_...whose are currently *not* valid in the EPO countries...07:46
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Tm_Teh, telia07:46
RiddellTm_T: yes07:47
RiddellKaiL_: they are approved by the EPO07:47
KaiL_Riddell: doesn't make them valid, as they are software patents07:48
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mr_clarkHi guys. Just wanna say thanks for a great distro!07:48
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bur[n] eranyone use amarok?  and can you tell me how to use gstreamer with amarok rather than arts?07:55
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bhnabur[n] er: change the engine07:56
bur[n] erhow?  gstreamer isn't there07:56
bhnabur[n] er: you have to intsall gstreamer first07:57
bur[n] eri have gstreamer0.8-mad and all gstreamer plugins07:57
bhnabur[n] er: install amarok-engines07:58
bur[n] erhrm... htat's not available07:59
nakataamarok-gstreamer08:00
bhnabur[n] er: its in the repo08:00
_candybanHi guys08:00
bhnabur[n] er: amarok-engines and amarok-gestreamer08:00
bur[n] erhrm.. i don't see it, but i'll check again08:01
_candybanCan anyone point me to some *good* documentation how to hook up some external device for input? (e.g. I want like 4 buttons to control my pc)08:01
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_candybanI don't want to buy expensive hardware ... and I don't want to study to become some phd in electricity and/or electronics ... I know (a bit) of high level programming08:02
bur[n] erbhna: in breezy maybe?08:03
bur[n] eri'm using hoary and it's not there08:03
_candybanAnyone?08:03
bhnabur[n] er: you need the universe repo08:03
bur[n] ernevermind :)08:03
bur[n] eri was using warty's universe :)08:04
bur[n] erthanks all08:04
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bhnabur[n] er: ;-)08:04
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lexNLhiya guys.08:06
lexNLtrying out the new kubuntu, I am finding that kaffeine crashes when playing a video file (a divx avi, as luck would have it)08:07
lexNLany ideas?08:07
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closurelexNL, did as well with me08:09
closurei got xine instead08:09
closureit works ok08:09
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lexNLclosure: but I don't think i can get lirc to controle xine via irkick :) good point though.08:10
lexNLi'll check out if xine is installed :)08:10
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skamanhi guys do anyone of u experienced konqueror crashes in the new version of kubuntu?08:11
closurewhat is lirc?08:11
skamani crash every minute :S08:12
skamanlirc is a infrared handler if i don't mistake08:12
lexNLclosure: my remote controle, driver lirc, kde program to make it control kde programs: irkick.08:12
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closurelike tv remote control?08:13
lexNLclosure: yeah, like that. Only I bougt it with my tv-card. But I could have used my tv remote I guess.08:14
lexNLeveryone: both xine and kaffeine crash when trying to play a video. any ideas?08:14
closurehrm not if xine doesn't work08:14
closureeverything else crashes for me08:14
closureincluding "totem-xine"08:14
lexNLow...08:14
lexNLhmm.08:15
closurenot sure how that works since it seems like it's just a different front end for the same program08:15
lexNLyeah, the xine-ui package also doesn't play.08:15
lexNLand kaffeine as front-end doesn't help.08:15
skamani have same problem with konqueror & kopete :S08:15
skamanalways crashin08:15
lexNLskaman: yeah, I read... just konqueror for browsing the web, or also browsing files08:16
closurelexNL, i use it for browsing files that's all08:17
closureand it still crashes occasionaly08:17
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lexNLow... hmm, more luck here. I haven't actually had konqueror crash08:17
closurei just reset my config for it though i've yet to reboot08:17
skamanhow can i fix it?08:17
sorinI don't want to install the enire gnome.  What libraries do I need to run Firefox in KDE?08:18
skamanjust use apt-get man08:18
lexNLsorin: usually kynaptic or synaptic figures that out automatically08:18
lexNLskaman: well, you could erase konqueror's config files and start it again.08:18
lexNLsee if that is better.08:18
skamansudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox08:18
lexNLskaman: does it crash on one directory, or just random?08:18
skamanrandom08:19
skaman& kopete too08:19
skamanwhere can i find config fles?08:19
lexNLyeah, never had much luck with kopete myself, so given up on that.08:19
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lexNLskaman: in /home/yourname/.kde/config08:19
lexNLkonquerorrc - just rename it and restart kde... log out / log in.08:19
lexNLnot sure if that is all there is to konq config files though.08:20
skamani dont have /home/yourname/.kde/config O_o08:21
lexNLeveryone: with a fresh install, when I open "storage media" and click on a partition without a green triangle, i get an error complaining about fstab.08:21
lexNLeveryone: so, how do I "mount" these partitions automatically?08:21
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skamanskaman@Ska-box:~$ ls /home/skaman/.kde08:21
skamanAutostart  cache-Ska-box  share  socket-Ska-box  tmp-Ska-box08:21
skamanskaman@Ska-box:~$08:21
lexNLkde/share/config08:22
lexNL:)08:22
lexNLmissed the share08:22
skamani rename it08:22
lexNLthere are a few konq files there.08:22
skaman& restart?08:22
lexNLyeah, log out, log in.08:22
lexNLdon't bother booting08:22
skamanok08:22
skamanstay there i can explain how to mount08:22
skamanthe hd08:22
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lexNLskaman: i know how to do it manually, but it'd like storage media to do it!08:23
lexNLthat's the whole point of that program!08:23
skamanjust add the devices in etc/fstab08:23
skamanwith option noauto08:23
lexNLyeah, but then I am doing it! it automatically mounts my thumbdrive!08:23
sorinI finally decided.  I'm going to buy an iPod.  I tried the free ipods way, but only got 2 referrals.08:23
skamani think that is a hotplug problem08:23
lexNLwell, hotplug works as my thumbdrive/memorystick whatever works perfectly and gets mounted and just works08:24
lexNLnow my other partition on my harddisk.08:24
lexNLI can't just click on them and see them!08:24
lexNLit works with the difficult memorystick, but not my normal partitions !? 08:25
skamanare they in /etc/fstab?08:25
lexNLnope.08:25
skamanu haveto add them08:25
lexNLneither is my thumbdrive I am guessing!08:25
lexNLany tool to do that for me?08:25
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lexNLlike kfstab-automate orso ?08:25
skamanyes but thumbdrive is an hotplug device08:25
candybanIs there some kind of serial device detection program?08:25
skamandunno08:25
lexNLhmm.08:26
lexNLgood one08:26
lexNLto detect for example what?08:26
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closurewho was it htat was talking aobut lirc?08:27
candybanlexNL: mouse 08:27
lexNLclosure: I was :)08:27
candybanlexNL: but I don't want to use it in X ... I already have a PS/2 mouse connected08:27
closurelexNL, so you say like a universal remote will work if i have an infared thing on my laptop?08:27
lexNLcandyban: you have a mouse, but you don't want x to use it?08:27
candybanlexNL: I just want to figure out how to use the serial port to control external devices08:28
lexNLclosure: hmm, no experience with infrared on laptops, but I am thinking yes... 08:28
candybanlexNL: I have a PS/2 mouse which is working fine ... I want to use the serial mouse just to capture input and output from the serial port08:28
lexNLlexnl: ah, ok. you'll have to edit the etc/x11/xorg.conf file for that...08:28
lexNLcandyban: ^08:29
uniqcandyban: like a serial sniffer /monitor ? 08:29
candybanlexNL: no, I don't want X ...08:29
lexNLcandyban: not sure if debian / (k)ubuntu has a tool for that.08:29
candybanlexNL: I just want to see (in a terminal) e.g. when I click button 108:29
lexNLoh! I get it.08:29
candybanlexNL: and I don't want it to interfere with my current mouse on PS/208:30
candybanlexNL: just think of it as a generic serial device which happens to be a mouse08:30
uniqhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/serialsniffer/08:30
uniqor something.08:30
lexNLhmm. you could just do something like cat /dev/ttyS0 orsomething... but I really aah, uniq has something08:30
skamanok worked!08:31
lexNLskaman: no more konq crashes?08:31
lexNLhmm. amazing, it actually worked :)08:31
uniqfirst promising hit on google :)08:31
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closurelexNL, how do i know what play is and such08:31
candybanlexNL: what worked?08:31
lexNLcandyban: the x not reacting to serial port is an x config issue. You should be able to make it ingore serial mouses...08:31
closureor does it recognize the remote control or something?08:31
skamanlet's see08:31
lexNLcandyban: hmm, skaman's thing.08:32
lexNLclosure: read up the lirc.org website.08:32
skamanno more crashes08:32
skamani hope08:33
skaman:P08:33
lexNLclosure: the idea is to setup the lirc deamon, then program that deamon with a script in which you say which thing is which button. Then you can set up things like irkick to make the key do something08:33
skamanlexNL:mount your hd with the option noauto08:33
skamanand whan cliking08:33
skamanthey will mount08:33
lexNLskaman: in the /etc/fstab?08:33
skamanyes08:33
lexNLok, will do that.08:33
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lexNLbye all! Thanks for helping.08:34
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closurehunger not sure i have noticed that though08:53
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closurewhat should it be associated with? so i can set that?08:53
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sorinIs there a taskman in KDE?08:57
kmanTFMclosure: debs should be associated with ksynaptic or kpackage08:59
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uniqsorin: like 'ksysguard' ?09:02
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sorintask manager09:03
sorinthat lists all the taskts and you can kill them or change the ThreadPriority09:03
closurekmanTFM, thanks09:04
uniqsorin: that's what ksysguard does.09:05
sorinI seem some sensors09:05
uniqchange to the processor view, tabs.. 09:07
uniqover the sensor graphs.. 09:07
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sparklinghi all09:14
uniqhello.09:15
sparklingi've installed in this moment kubuntu but i can only set 640x48009:15
sparklingis it possible to set more?09:15
sparklingi've an ati 09:15
uniqok.. sure it's possible.09:16
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sparklinghow'09:16
uniqdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg09:16
sparklinghow?09:16
sparklingok tnx09:16
sparklingnow i try09:16
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uniqstart konsole, and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg09:16
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membreyadoes kubuntu have an install DVD at all ?09:20
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coreymon77hi everyone09:23
sparklingok all done uniq09:24
sparklinghow can i re-configure the kde language?09:24
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coreymon77hi guys09:24
coreymon77does anyone talk around here?09:26
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coreymon77why is it so quiet here?09:28
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coreymon77somebody say something!!!09:29
JuNkPhreak|UnIxhello09:29
sorinis there a way to browse the repository with apt-get like you can do with ports?09:30
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxwell some of us has jobs }09:30
sorinI'm trying to see if Beagle is there.09:30
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haggaisorin: you can use kynaptic or aptitude09:31
JuNkPhreak|UnIxso on kubuntu are there good apt-get repos09:31
JuNkPhreak|UnIxi just installed suse 9.2 for my wife and its a pain on apt-get for repos /deps09:32
TestDummyIt couldn't find half the stuff I wanted to install and one of the thing its found is an older version09:32
TestDummy=|09:32
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octave_octetHi,09:32
JuNkPhreak|UnIxgoing to try this distro see whats up09:32
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxif not back to mandriva  :[09:32
coreymon77testdummy: have you done apt-get update lately?09:32
TestDummyWhat do you mean?09:33
JuNkPhreak|UnIxive been having hell on apt-get repos09:33
msumucoreymon77: KDE is boring09:33
JuNkPhreak|UnIxthen when i get them  there are gpg sigs  problemxs09:33
msumuthat s why this channel is born dead09:33
JuNkPhreak|UnIxkde why is that09:33
bhnasorin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto09:33
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_-InMa-_hola!09:33
haggaimsumu: if you'd like to troll how about joining #ubuntu instead?09:33
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxlol09:34
JuNkPhreak|UnIxno kidding09:34
msumuJuNkPhreak|UnIx: don't go KUBUNTU 09:34
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haggaimsumu: #ubuntu is the place for gnome lovers09:34
octave_octetIf I understand correctly future upgrades of upstream softwares (like in Debian Unstable) will appear in universe ? Am I right ?09:34
JuNkPhreak|UnIxand why is that09:34
hungerclosure: Dunno... maybe kynaptic? Or just have it saved to disk?09:34
hungerclosure: Can kynaptic install debs?09:35
JuNkPhreak|UnIxmsumu  i used all kinds of  desktop managers i like kde so ....09:35
octave_octethunger: Yes09:35
msumuJuNkPhreak|UnIx: try UBUNTU the real09:35
JuNkPhreak|UnIxive dled them all09:35
octave_octethunger: It can do litttle beyond that but he can at least do that09:35
JuNkPhreak|UnIxfrom the site will try them all 09:35
JuNkPhreak|UnIxdling to my sparc box 09:36
msumuhaggai: I speak the truth that 's why you so....09:36
msumubut don't worry about it, you kubuntu dudes just smart enough to ...09:36
msumuhahahaaha09:36
hungeroctave_octet: Never used it:-)09:36
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msumuJuNkPhreak|UnIx: twice : please try UBUNTU09:37
bhnamsumu: go to #ubuntu09:37
msumuJuNkPhreak|UnIx: kde has to many things on it09:37
JuNkPhreak|UnIxlol msumu well thing is i can choose any distro i want to try at am09:37
JuNkPhreak|UnIxany time09:37
JuNkPhreak|UnIxthats all your pref09:37
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hungerAny new debs yet?09:38
JuNkPhreak|UnIxnot mine09:38
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxif i dont like i will go back to mandrake09:38
JuNkPhreak|UnIxno biggy09:38
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coreymon77testdummy: have you ever typed in apt-get update into a konsole09:40
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxmsumu why come in to this channel and flame it just dont get it 09:41
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TD|BlahAck! I hate lag =(09:42
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TD|BlahThis is absoultely hilarious09:43
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coreymon77testdummy: did you ever type that?09:43
TD|BlahThe server in Oregon does lag but the in Finland is fine09:43
TD|BlahThe irony..09:43
TD|BlahHuh?09:43
TD|BlahType what?09:44
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msumuJuNkPhreak|UnIx:don't get mad at me . y all know how pissy kde is.09:45
msumusa well as mandrake09:45
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TD|Blah...09:46
TD|BlahIf it makes msumu feel any better, I've used Ubuntu with Gnome before09:46
TD|BlahI couldn't get used to it09:46
msumuand09:46
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxlol please its just  a desktop get over it 09:47
TD|BlahYeah09:47
CloneyWhere's the 'real men use a framebuffered console and no X' contingent when you need them?09:47
msumuTD|Blah: the problem with kde is the fact that the menu kinda bitchy09:47
msumulike in windows09:48
TD|Blah?09:48
JuNkPhreak|UnIxlol09:48
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxomg dude stop im dieding lol09:48
JuNkPhreak|UnIxgnome isnt perfect ether lol09:48
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxjust be glad we use linux in gen09:49
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msumuJuNkPhreak|UnIx: pfff not especially gnome is better but kde is simply the worst09:49
JuNkPhreak|UnIxwell that your opinion now inst it09:50
_DAB_Hello :) How do I execute alsaconf in kubuntu?  I have alsa-utils  installed...09:50
Dinoflyhello09:50
CloneyKDE users are, on the whole, less prone to go into Gnome channels and start little fires.09:50
JuNkPhreak|UnIxalso not alot going on with gnaome last time i check on there sites looked pretty dead09:50
JuNkPhreak|UnIxgnome09:50
_DAB_sudo: alsaconf: command not found09:51
_DAB_is what I got09:51
_DAB_any idea?09:51
Dinoflyhello, i have a very little question09:51
TestDummyIs it even installed?09:51
Dinoflyi have a palm pilot and it is seen by dmesg09:51
msumuCloney: I am not a gnome user, just an anti-kde :)09:51
_DAB_TestDummy:  yeah09:51
Dinoflybut i don't know which device in /dev is associated with it09:51
CloneyWould you mind being anti-KDE somewhere else?09:51
Dinoflyhow can i know that ?09:51
_DAB_TestDummy:  well... alsa-utils is installad so alsaconf should be installed..09:52
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CloneyPerhaps an empty channel, or a vacuum jar, or the public library.09:52
JuNkPhreak|UnIxwell then why come in here and  pfft off kde ?  09:52
msumuCloney: you c@ck suck@09:53
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uniqjunkphreak|unix: /ignore him :)09:53
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CloneyThis is the wrong channel for cock sucking too. Try #irchelp if this is confusing you.09:53
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_DAB_does anybody know how to use alsaconf?09:53
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sparklinghi all again09:54
sparklingbut now from kubuntu :D09:54
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motaboyHi all!09:55
msumu_DAB_: alsamixer in terminal09:55
_DAB_msumu: thx! 09:55
_DAB_:)09:55
Dinoflyno09:55
msumuDinofly: what's up ?09:56
Dinoflydoes anyone knows how to find out what entry in /dev is associated with a device listed in dmesg ?09:56
Dinoflyjust some lag msumu ;)09:56
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msumuDinofly: is the device mounted ? if yes "mount" in terminal and you 'll have the information09:57
msumuDinofly: what's up ?09:59
Dinoflyit is not a hard drive09:59
Dinoflyit is a palm pilot10:00
Dinofly(and sorry for my english ;))10:00
msumuyou may have an icon on the desktop10:00
Dinoflyi don't have one10:00
msumuhow do you know that your palm is mounted then ?10:01
Dinoflykpilot doesn't detect my palm pilot because he is searching it in /dev/pilot10:01
msumuah ok10:01
Dinoflymsumu: i don't think that a palm must be mounted10:01
sparklinghow can i set "cd.." like "cd .." ? i remember that i have to modify a file like bashrc or something but i don't remeber well....10:01
Dinoflyit is not usb mass storage10:01
uniqdinofly: is it connected via usb or serial? 10:01
Dinoflysparkling: alias10:02
Dinoflyuniq: usb10:02
msumuDinofly: oui mais c synchronis pareil en fait10:02
sparklingDinofly: exactly where are alises?10:02
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Dinoflysparkling: i'm not an expert but i think you should edit your .bashrc or .bash_profile file10:03
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sparklingok tnx now i try10:04
Dinoflyand type man alias to know how to use this command10:04
Dinoflyit is simple but i don't know it :p10:04
uniqdinofly: I guess you've got it on /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1.. if that helps.. 10:05
uniqI don't have a palm.. so i'm just guessing.10:06
Dinoflyuniq: it seems you're right because dmesg said this:10:06
Dinoflyusb 1-1.2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 610:06
Dinoflyvisor 1-1.2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected10:06
Dinoflyusb 1-1.2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB010:06
Dinoflyusb 1-1.2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB110:06
Dinoflybut /dev/ttyUSB* doesn't exist !10:06
sparklingDinofly: sorry for my level but where are the bash file for alias?10:07
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Dinoflyin your home directory sparkling 10:07
Dinoflybut the files beginning with a dot are not shown by default10:08
sparklingok founded :P10:09
sparklingi'm searching bash but it is .bashrc10:09
sparklingtnx10:09
Dinoflyuniq: ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 are created when i push the hotsync button10:10
Dinoflybut kpilot doesn't see my palm10:10
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PolHello, what's the name of the kde default theme under kubuntu ?10:11
uniqdinofly: do you have access to the devices? ttyUSB* ? 10:11
uniq(I guess the devices have group-ownership dialout?)10:11
Dinoflyerfff you're right uniq i'm stupid10:12
Dinoflyi don't have read access10:12
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Dinoflythanks !!!10:12
uniqit works?10:12
coreymon77testdummy: one question for you10:12
TestDummyOkay.10:12
Dinoflynot tested but it should work now :)10:12
uniqlets hope so.10:12
DinoflyPol: i think it is plastik10:13
PolDinofly: and the color theme ?10:13
coreymon77testdumy: about your apt problem10:13
TestDummyWhat about it?10:13
bhnaPol: lipstik10:13
coreymon77testdummy: have you ever typed sudo apt-get update into a konsole window?10:13
Polbhna: do you know where to get it?10:14
TestDummyNah, I've just done sudo apt-get install =|10:14
Polhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1822310:14
Polok10:14
coreymon77testdummy: thats your problem10:14
bhnaPol: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1822310:14
sparklingafter i've modified the bash maybe i've to reboot?10:14
sparklingor is already done?10:14
coreymon77the reason you cant find anything in apt is because you never update it10:14
TestDummy=(10:14
TestDummySo how do I use that command?10:14
coreymon77testdummy: open up a konsole window10:15
TestDummyI'm gonna need to reboot :|10:15
coreymon77no you dont10:15
TestDummy(I didn't boot into Linux this morining x_x) 10:15
coreymon77oh10:15
TestDummyI run a dual-boot on here10:15
coreymon77that would make sense10:15
coreymon77okay10:15
uniqsparkling: re-login is enought.10:15
coreymon77reboot into linux10:15
sparklingok tnx10:16
uniqor just run the script from the console10:16
uniqcd;./.bashrc10:17
sparklingall done :D10:17
uniqwould do it.10:17
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coreymon77testdummy: okay you in linux?10:21
TestDummyYep10:22
coreymon77okay10:22
coreymon77so open up a konsole window10:22
TestDummyOkay10:22
coreymon77is it open?10:22
TestDummyUh huh10:22
coreymon77okay10:22
coreymon77so10:23
coreymon77in the console\10:23
coreymon77type in sudo -s10:24
coreymon77and then your password10:24
TestDummyOkay10:24
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coreymon77now type10:25
coreymon77apt-get update10:26
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TestDummyWhoa10:26
coreymon77what?10:26
TestDummyEr, let me guess10:26
TestDummyWhat does that do?10:26
coreymon77updates all of the repositories for apt with new files10:27
coreymon77tons of files are being added to apt every day10:27
TestDummyAh, I thought that's what it did10:27
coreymon77now just type in apt-get update a few more times (each time waiting for it to first before typing it again) and then your  all set10:28
TestDummy?10:28
TestDummyYou mean I'm suppossed to do that more than once?10:28
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coreymon77since you have never done it before10:29
coreymon77yes10:29
coreymon77normally10:29
coreymon77o10:29
coreymon77no10:29
TestDummyHm...10:29
delphicoreymon77: why would you need to type it more than once in one day?10:29
coreymon77delphi: testdummy has never done it before10:31
delphisure, i understand, but it only needs to be done once?10:32
coreymon77not if he hasnt donge it before ever10:32
TestDummyHm... okay, I did it like twice for now.10:33
TestDummyI still have another problem though10:33
coreymon77thats good for now10:33
TestDummyIt won't see my XP drive.. 10:33
coreymon77remeber to do that often from now on\10:33
lonnieyou should a only have to apt-get update once to be current on the repositories...10:33
TestDummyIt says "mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"10:33
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coreymon77testdummy: ttry getting back into root in a konsole window10:34
TestDummyOkay10:34
coreymon77then type konqueror (once you are in root)10:34
coreymon77and then try it10:34
coreymon77oh ya10:34
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TestDummySame thing10:34
delphicoreymon77: but doesn't it just update with all of the sources in the sources list  all at once?10:34
coreymon77and your windows drive is in media://windows10:34
TestDummyThere is a bunch of output though10:35
coreymon77doesnt matter10:35
TestDummyStill doesn't do anything10:35
coreymon77delphi: not fully if you havent done it before (as far as i know)10:35
TestDummyI do that, get the list of drives, click one, error message10:35
coreymon77testdummy: go to the top folder (/) in the root knoqueror10:36
delphicoreymon77: interesting, i didn't know that.10:36
TestDummyOkay10:36
coreymon77testdummy: do you see a folder called "media"10:37
TestDummyYes I do, theres "cdrom" and "cdrom0" in it10:38
TestDummyNo other drives10:38
coreymon77nothing called "windows"10:38
TestDummyNope10:38
TestDummyOr whatever else it'd be called (Last few one's I've used called disk0part1 and hda1)10:39
sparklingusually i use wvdial command to start internet connection and i tap ctrl+c in the same terminal to stop it...is it possible to make it with kron? to connect is simple..i only set sudo wvdial but how i can stop the connection with an automatic commando?10:39
uniqsparkling: try kppp10:40
coreymon77testdummy: wait a  sec10:40
coreymon77let me check10:40
sparklingi've tried but i don't know why but dont work10:40
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uniqfor a kde app.. and if you'd like a console-app.. try pppconfig, and use pon to connect.. and poff to disconnect.10:40
coreymon77testdummy: i got it10:41
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coreymon77in a konsole window10:41
coreymon77first type10:41
SpookyETDoes BitRock register with your package management?10:41
coreymon77sudo mkdir /media/windows10:41
coreymon77then type sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=022210:42
coreymon77then lastly type sudo umount /media/windows/10:42
sparklingtnx uniq i'll try it 10:42
coreymon77okay?10:43
TestDummyOkay10:43
TestDummyJust a second10:43
coreymon77okay10:43
coreymon77tell me when10:43
TestDummyOkay, there we go10:44
TestDummyMessed up the first time because I said "unmask=0222" instad of "umask=0222"10:44
TestDummy=|10:44
TestDummyBut, yeah, after I fixed that, did the rest no problem10:44
TestDummyNow what?10:44
uniq0222 ? 10:45
uniqI use 022..10:45
TestDummyI'm just going off what he said10:45
TestDummyI'm not sure10:45
uniqtry 022.10:45
sparklingcan i use another file manager instead of konqueror?10:45
coreymon77testdummy10:46
coreymon77did it work?10:46
sparklingbetter: is there another file explorer installed of default?10:46
TestDummyI get a folder but nothing in it10:46
uniqsparkling: like what? - konq is very powerful imho.10:46
uniqsparkling: but sure you can.. you can start which ever application you'd like.10:46
coreymon77you have to go into the folder as root10:46
coreymon77with the root knoqueror10:46
TestDummyOkay.10:47
TestDummyBlah10:47
TestDummyNothing10:47
sparklingat the moment i'm using konq to surf the web and to surf files...and is not so usefull :P10:48
sparklingbut probably is becouse i need to install firefox to wurf web10:48
coreymon77oh ya10:48
coreymon77testdummy: do this10:48
coreymon77type10:49
coreymon77sudo mount -a10:49
coreymon77into konsol10:49
coreymon77e10:49
TestDummyStill nothing10:49
coreymon77reestart x10:49
TestDummyOkay..10:50
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TestDummyStill nothing10:53
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uniqtestdummy: what is it you're trying to do? 10:54
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coreymon77testdummy: ill ask my bro when he gets home10:54
coreymon77he will know what to do10:54
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TestDummyuniq: Just mount a ntfs drive as read-only10:55
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uniqtestdummy: add something like: "/dev/hda3       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=022,dmask=022  0 0" to /etc/fstab11:08
uniqthat will mount /dev/hda3 to /media/windows.11:08
TestDummyhda3??11:08
TestDummyIt's hda1 last I checked11:08
uniqyou'll have to change that to fit your setup.11:08
TestDummyAnd how would I add that to whatever11:08
TestDummyI'm not sure11:09
uniqok.11:09
uniqstart konsole.11:09
TestDummyOkay11:09
uniqsudo -s11:09
TestDummyGot that11:09
uniqecho ""/dev/hda3 /media/windows ntfs ro,umask=022,dmask=022 0 0" >> /etc/fstab11:10
uniqmake sure you use two >'s11:10
TestDummyAlrighty11:10
uniqdone? 11:10
TestDummyYeah11:10
uniqnow.. did you change /dev/hda3 to /dev/hda1 or what? 11:10
TestDummyUh... whoops. I didn't =|11:11
uniqok.11:11
TestDummyJust a second11:11
uniqno problem.11:11
uniqdon't run the command once again.11:11
uniqjust edit the file.11:11
TestDummyHow?11:11
uniquse nano or something.11:11
uniqnano /etc/fstab11:11
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TestDummyOkay.11:11
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eckharthi, does a kubuntu default installation filter some outgoing connections?11:18
sparklingdoes exist a small and light pop3 client (like magic mail monitor if you know) that i can checkk all my accounts, it should download only the headers and i can delete directly the message from the server, then after that i can download the correct mail with TB for example...11:21
eckhartsorry, just forget my question11:23
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legionMy aRTs Control applet doesnt work11:27
legionwhen I add it to a panel11:27
legionill give you the error message11:27
legionit doesnt add11:27
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firashey11:28
legionThe aRts Control applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation.11:28
legionthats what I get when I try and add it to a panel, and it doesn11:28
legiondoesn't add11:28
firasin what folder can I find my kmail mails?11:28
firasanyone?11:29
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klaushallo11:30
klaushola11:31
klauseo11:31
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legionhow do I get firefox?11:40
legionsudo apt-get install firefox doesnt find it11:40
legiondo i have to compile it from source?11:40
_P_mozilla-firefox11:40
_P_sudo apt-cache search firefox11:40
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legionwhat is apt-cache11:41
coreymon77legion: type sudo apt-get update first11:41
coreymon77then to the install fiefox thing11:41
legioncoreymon: did already11:41
legioncoreymon77: mozilla-firefox did the trick11:41
legionWhen I try and add the aRts control applet to a panel, I get this error: 'The aRts Control applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation.' How do I find out what the problem is?11:45
delphianyone know why i keep getting an error complaing about /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/inex.html cannot be found when starting firefox?11:47
TestDummyIt doesn't exist?11:47
TestDummyJust try changing the homepage 11:47
TestDummyFixed it for me :|11:47
delphidid you have the same problem then?11:48
TestDummyBefore, yes. After, nope11:48
delphidone, and fixed. thanks :)11:48
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KaiLkdm from kubuntu looks cool.11:49
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RiddellKaiL: thanks :)11:52
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KaiLhm, where to enable kubuntu-kmenu-side.png?11:55
KaiLis there a UI pref for this?11:55
firasis it normal that amarok comes with no sound system?11:56
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peekkubuuntu rox :P11:57
peekfiras  i have xine engine11:58
RiddellKaiL: see SideName=kubuntu-kmenu-side.png  in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kickerrc11:58
narghrm, anyone else having trouble with amarok instability?11:58
Riddelland then see ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc11:58
Riddellnarg: try using the xine engine11:58
firasnarg: does your amarok comes with an engine?11:58
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firasah11:58
nargfiras: no.11:59
nargit came default with a blank wierd one :p11:59
firasnarg: sudo apt-get install amarok-engines11:59
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nargerr... how is amarok working if it doesnt come preloaded with an engine?11:59
KaiLah, thanks11:59
nargI assumed the blank one was a bug.11:59
firasnarg: yes i think so, what a shame12:00
firas:)12:00
legionnarg12:00
legioncheck aim12:00
nargok.12:01
legionare you even seeing my msgs?12:01

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