[12:30] <blahrus> in beep-media-player in hoary amd64 was mp3 support taken out.
[12:31] <crimsun> absolutely not.
[12:31] <crimsun> why?
[12:31] <blahrus> crashes everytime I try to play one.
[12:32] <crimsun> blahrus: let's take this to #ubuntu
[12:32] <blahrus> alright not a problem, just wanted to check here first
[12:38] <netdur> in case you don't know, very interesting "My first 48 hours enduring Ubuntu 5.04" to read http://mpt.net.nz
[12:38] <mdz> hehe
[12:38] <netdur> thanks for Ubuntu
[12:38] <ogra> yeah
[12:38] <mdz> the blogging community agrees that the most interesting difference between Ubuntu and FC3 is the default theme
[12:41] <dilinger> yuck
[12:41] <dilinger> Clicking once in the address field does not do what people want 99 percent of the time, which is selecting the address so it can be replaced by typing a new one.
[12:41] <dilinger> (firefox)
[12:41] <tseng> mdz: or a hugely noticable speed increase
[12:41] <dilinger> i despise that behavior
[12:41] <tseng> mdz: or a lack of poor branding
[12:42] <tseng> fc3 is a bit painful
[12:42] <mkde> omg
[12:42] <mdz> dilinger: you can turn on that damage if you want it
[12:42] <mkde> gotta love tiger woods
[12:42] <tseng> how is tiger woods on topic?
[12:42] <mkde> c'mon man
[12:43] <mkde> sorry to have taken up your bandwidth
[12:43] <azeem> firefox still has native UI and not GNOMEish icons and stuff, right?
[12:44] <azeem> or did I miss installing a package?
[12:44] <ogra> nope
[12:44] <ogra> its the native theme
[12:44] <tseng> I suggest installing the industrial firefox theme anyway
[12:44] <tseng> its much nicer.
[12:45] <spacey> what happend with the gnome firefox theme, i liked it :p
[12:46] <azeem> I wonder why he just picked on the Home icon and not flamed for inconsistent UI
[12:51] <eruin> the deafault gnome icons have nothing to do in an app like firefox
[12:51] <eruin> minus an a
[12:52] <azeem> an app like firefox has nothing to do in a default gnome desktop, rather :P
[01:06] <netdur> mozilla developers confurmed to me, that mozilla suite (seamonkey next) will uses icons theme as any other gtk/gnome app, moving to gtk+, actually mozilla 1.8 already uses native gtk+ 2.6 file dialogs... sadly mozilla suite die, still better than firefox
[01:10] <robertj> netdur: why do you say that?
[01:11] <robertj> I'm just a bit sad that Composer development has been limited to Nvu
[01:12] <netdur> robertj, friefox still freeze few seconds here
[01:13] <blahrus> mdz: that did fix the bug issue of 8696
[01:14] <mdz> blahrus: thanks, please mark it as a duplicate then
[01:15] <blahrus> mdz: done
[01:16] <mdz> thanks
[01:17] <blahrus> crimsun: you around? sorry I was jumping off and on
[01:27] <netdur> er... sorry to ask!!! is there any plan to do ubunu with bsd kernel!?
[01:29] <tseng> nope.
[01:30] <tseng> feel free to start one.
[01:32] <robtaylor> netdur: there are some projects to do debian with a bsd kernel. you might want to check those out
[01:33] <mkde> are the security repositories working or not yet?
[01:33] <netdur> LOL, I feel that would a clear message to you-know-who "killing linux doesn't kill open source" ;)
[01:39] <eruin> and feed the bsd rox, linux sux-trolls
[02:04] <robertj> oh happy day
[02:04] <robertj> Linksys has added QOS to my Wireless Router
[02:44] <zul> hey..
[03:07] <zenwhen> :/ it seems sometime between RC and final Bistream Vera Sans started looking like crap.
[03:12] <mdz> I find that highly unlikely
[03:15] <dredg> zenwhen: more likely your fontconfig settings changed
[03:16] <daniels> fontconfig didn't change between rc and final
[03:16] <dredg> right, but the per-user settings might
[03:17] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:18] <kent> Sorry if this is OT. Im thinking of reporting a bug/enhancement to Gnome bugzilla about the trashcan in Nautilus. Bugzilla in gnome lets me specify not only version but target. Whats "target"? Version is 2.10.x, but I cant figure out what target to choose :(
[03:18] <kent> sorry, i think its my fault. I was on the wrong page ;(
[03:24] <shaya> anyone here running beagle?
[03:44] <toresbe> Why has the standard PDF reader changed from gpdf to xpdf?
[03:48] <melodie> bye all :)
[04:24] <thom> toresbe: it's always been xpdf
[04:25] <toresbe> thom: yeah, but it was scheduled to change in Hoary
[04:26] <thom> toresbe: only if gpdf started to not suck, which wasn't the case
[04:26] <toresbe> ah, I see..
[04:27] <toresbe> The site said they expected it to stop sucking, but... it didn't... *sigh*
[04:27] <mdz> thom: now, we'll probably go to evince instead
[04:27] <mdz> that's what seb128 recommends
[04:27] <mdz> it combines ggv and xpdf with a GNOMEish UI, which sounds nice.  I haven't tried it yet
[04:27] <jdub> yes, i find it highly unlikely that evince won't be doable for breezy
[04:28] <daniels> evince is very nice indeed
[04:28] <Burgundavia> I will second that
[04:28] <jdub> it will most likely be included in 2.12
[04:28] <thom> mdz: indeed
[04:28] <thom> evince is awesome
[04:28] <toresbe> wow, you guys make it sound so cool
[04:28] <toresbe> *tries*
[04:29] <toresbe> neat
[04:29] <toresbe> and fast, too!
[04:29] <toresbe> shit, that's fast
[04:29] <Burgundavia> jdub, you aren't a DD, are you?
[04:29] <maswan> jdub for DPL! ;)
[04:30] <jdub> Burgundavia: no
[04:31] <Burgundavia> jdub, didn't think so
[04:31] <toresbe> what was branden's view on platforms?
[04:32] <mdz> jdub: it is so not funny
[04:35] <infinity> jdub : You'll get yours.  Somehow. :)
[04:35] <shaya> evince needs continious mode
[04:36] <jdub> shaya: coming, i believe
[04:36] <sladen> shaya: file it and get it in, your've got 6 months ;-)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> evince is nice
[05:02] <Nigelenki> what the fuck keeps breaking me with damned bad dns settings
[05:03] <Nigelenki> there.  Bite that bitch.
[05:03] <fabbione> morning
[05:03] <jdub> Nigelenki: keep it nice here, please
[05:05] <Nigelenki> jdub:  I'm slightly annoyed.  I changed dhclient.conf or whatever to not ask for nameserver info, but every 2 hours I get my resolv.conf pointing at 192.168.0.1 which doesn't have a dns server on it.
[05:07] <jdub> Nigelenki: that's fine - but keep it nice here, please
[05:14] <nullaresnata> Hello, I was trying to use the utf8migration tool, but it gives me an error at the end, when it comes to rename the files in utf8.
[05:14] <nullaresnata> Anyone has an idea about this?
[05:14] <nullaresnata> The output error is:
[05:14] <nullaresnata> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:14] <nullaresnata>   File "/usr/bin/utf8migrationtool", line 92, in change_setup
[05:14] <nullaresnata>     os.rename(oldfile, newfile)
[05:14] <nullaresnata> OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory
[05:15] <mdz> nullaresnata: please file it in bugzilla (if it isn't there already)
[05:16] <nullaresnata> Ok.
[05:17] <nullaresnata> I do not know how to do it.
[05:17] <jsgotangco> just create an account in bugzilla
[05:17] <nullaresnata> Have to install bugzilla?
[05:17] <jsgotangco> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[05:18] <Pizbit> No, they never said that.
[05:18] <jsgotangco> its an online ticket/response tool for bugs, etc.
[05:18] <mdz> it is necessary to create an account in order to file bugs, yes
[05:19] <nullaresnata> Ok... found this, mdz. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BugzillaHowto/view?searchterm=bugzilla
[05:19] <nullaresnata> Why oh why do I do not RTFM???
[05:19] <nullaresnata> lol
[05:20] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[05:20] <jsgotangco> its alright we learn from mistakes
[05:33] <ajmitch> afternoon all
[05:39] <nullaresnata> Hello again.
[05:39] <nullaresnata> I found 2 bugs there for the same mistake.
[05:39] <nullaresnata> One of them has a patch.
[05:39] <nullaresnata> How do I use it?
[05:40] <nullaresnata> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7723
[05:45] <nullaresnata> Think I got it right.
[05:45] <nullaresnata> Thanks anyway.
[05:45] <nullaresnata> :)
[05:47] <nullaresnata> Yes, I got it right ;)
[05:52] <dholbach> hey
[05:54] <ajmitch> hi dholbach :)
[06:07] <hondje> Hi. I think I might have found some borkage in Nautilus.  Where is the Ubuntu bug-tracking thing?
[06:07] <crimsun> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <dholbach> bugzilla.ubuntu com    aaaaand     https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[06:08] <hondje> great, thanks :-)
[06:15] <hondje> I don't see this bug, but I'm convinced it's nautilus
[06:15] <hondje> Would #ubuntu be a more appropriate forum to get someone to test it?
[06:19] <mpt> Hmmm
[06:19] <daniels> mpt: so, are the tables not entirely javascript now?
[06:20] <daniels> mpt: the inability to open bug links in tabs renders it almost entirely useless to me
[06:20] <daniels> mpt: (on a typical morning with bugzilla, i'll look at my bug list and open ten or more bugs in new tabs)
[06:20] <mpt> I think someone else fixed that
[06:20] <mpt> lessee
[06:22] <mpt> daniels: Yes, that's fixed
[06:22] <mpt> It should be fixed on launchpad.ubuntu.com sometime today
[06:23] <daniels> awesome
[06:24] <maswan> daniels: I see you are no longer the most southern map inhabitant?
[06:26] <daniels> maswan: bugger.  bloody kiwis. ;)
[06:26] <daniels> heh!  'quannum'. :)
[06:26] <ajmitch> sorry daniels :)
[06:29] <maswan> I'm on top of the world!
[06:29] <maswan> ;)
[07:22] <womble> OK, what's going to have caused the version of a package in hoary to be months old compared to the version in Debian sarge?
[07:24] <schweeb> womble: no one requested a sync?
[07:24] <schweeb> what package are you talking about?
[07:25] <womble> schweeb: IRM.
[07:26] <womble> The version that's in hoary universe is crustirifically old.  There's been 3 uploads since the one that's in hoary, dating from January.
[07:26] <dholbach> we'll have it in breezy
[07:27] <womble> dholbach: I'm more interested in knowing why it didn't get updated in hoary.
[07:27] <dholbach> womble: i can't tell you when the last BIG SYNC was
[07:29] <dholbach> the big-syncs had to stop at some point to make the overall situation settle down
[07:29] <womble> dholbach: So in order to make sure that I don't get asked for support on horrendously out-of-date versions of stuff I maintain for debian, I need to poke someone in Ubuntu every time I make an upload in Debian?
[07:29] <schweeb> otherwise the MOTUs would have to work their butts off to stabilize universe :)
[07:30] <dholbach> womble: in the last weeks before release, yes, if nobody else complains about an out-of-date version
[07:30] <schweeb> womble: it's helpful, yes
[07:30] <womble> We're talking about code from January.  Over two months ago.
[07:31] <thom> womble: which is when we froze, yes
[07:31] <womble> Now, I know you've carried some traditions over from Debian, but I thought glacial freezes weren't one of them.  <grin>
[07:31] <schweeb> gotta freeze sometime man
[07:31] <maswan> two months seems resonable, even a bit on the short side for a freeze
[07:31] <schweeb> otherwise you end up having to fix all of your bugs AFTER release
[07:31] <dholbach> womble: if you have a better plan by the hand, start a discussion on ubuntu-devel@
[07:31] <schweeb> need some level of QA
[07:32] <womble> So can I request my packages don't get synced and just get removed instead?
[07:32] <Lathiat> there is the MOTU team
[07:32] <schweeb> no?
[07:32] <dholbach> i wonder if it's reasonable to remove a package in that case
[07:33] <Lathiat> you can overee pakages (specific packages) getting in after the syncs
[07:33] <schweeb> have there been major security holes in it or something?
[07:33] <thom> womble: if you're really that concerned about 2 month old code, i suspect you're going to be crying for some time after debian releases *shrug*
[07:33] <schweeb> I mean, when sarge releases (if it ever does) there will be a version freeze too...
[07:34] <womble> schweeb: Yes.  As well as a lot of major improvements to the functionality of the code and it's packaging.
[07:34] <Amaranth> schweeb: fix all your bugs after release? that sounds so microsoft ;)
[07:34] <womble> Yep, but I can handle that because I track Debian development.
[07:34] <womble> thom: I wouldn't be worried about it if I knew what was going on.
[07:34] <HiddenWolf> In dutch we have a saying for this kind of discussion. "a thunderstorm in a glass of water"
[07:34] <schweeb> Amaranth: I wasn't advocating that
[07:35] <thom> HiddenWolf: "a storm in a teacup" is the english :-)
[07:35] <Amaranth> schweeb: I know, I was trying to be funny. :)
[07:35] <schweeb> heh
[07:35] <HiddenWolf> thom, fair enough
[07:36] <thom> womble: there will  be stuff in the future that allows us to interact better with debian maintainers; but it ain't there yet
[07:36] <HiddenWolf> womble: it's easy, this is open source software. No-one is getting paid to do what he doesn't like. Importing packages after a freeze is quite high on the don't like list. If you want it to happen, you'll have to make the effort, or find someone to do it for you.
[07:37] <womble> thom: So, in the meantime, I should just prepare a form letter to send to everyone who asks me why IRM on Ubuntu sucks balls?
[07:37] <womble> HiddenWolf: Yes, but I've still got my name on it, and I still get all the flack for why it's screwing up.
[07:37] <HiddenWolf> womble, in that case, feel free to blame ubuntu, and tell people that for fast, accurate and utterly cool cutting-edge software, they should really really use debian.
[07:38] <thom> womble: so just say you don't support the ubuntu packages and direct them to us
[07:38] <aj> HiddenWolf: be nice
[07:38] <womble> HiddenWolf: Cute.
[07:38] <thom> womble: alternatively, don't suck packages that suck balls? ;P
[07:39] <Lathiat> aj: coming to LCA?
[07:39] <aj> yah
[07:39] <Lathiat> cool
[07:39] <thom> aj: so that's you and matthew to buy commiseratory drinks for; or possibly all of debian
[07:40] <aj> thom: gus should be there too
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> I wonder why anyone would review FC3 over Ubuntu. :/
[07:42] <womble> Is there something, somewhere that describes how random packages end up in Ubuntu from Debian?  Where they're sourced from, what the freeze dates are, criteria, requesting resyncing, that sort of thing?  If I'm going to do this, I'd at least like to do it properly.
[07:42] <schweeb> womble: not "random" packages
[07:42] <schweeb> we pretty much mirror debian completely
[07:42] <thom> aj: ah, good point
[07:42] <Lathiat> womble: If you like, you could become part of the MOTU team and ensure your packages are up to date in ubuntu.
[07:43] <schweeb> womble: IRM is in "universe" the more "unsupported" branch... the Masters Of The Universe are in charge of Universe
[07:43] <womble> Is there documentation or not?
[07:44] <schweeb> not really, at the moment
[07:44] <schweeb> but, join #ubuntu-motu to confer with the MOTUs any time you feel like
[07:45] <schweeb> womble: there usually is a schedule laid out of freeze dates and such, but there was just a release, so I don't think a new schedule has been laid out
[07:46] <schweeb> womble: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki has a lot of info
[07:49] <womble> schweeb: That's like saying "http://www.google.com/ has a lot of info" -- true, but unhelpful.
[07:50] <spiv> womble: as far as dates of freezes go, see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule.  I expect there will be a similiar page for Breezy shortly.l
[07:50] <schweeb> womble: I expect you can read the base topics and click links yourself *shrug*
[07:51] <schweeb> spiv: I suspect not until after UDU
[07:52] <womble> schweeb: One I clicked was termed "Ubuntu Code of Conduct"
[07:53] <schweeb> and?
[07:54] <jdub> womble: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[07:54] <jdub> womble: UVF is when syncing from sid is stopped
[07:55] <jdub> womble: after that it's done for bugfixes only (in main) and requested/tested updates for universe
[07:57] <womble> jdub: So you're syncing direct from sid?  Does any of the MOTUs actually check that what's in Universe is reasonable after that date?
[07:57] <dholbach> womble: there are lots of areas that haven't been covered by documentation yet, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToSync is the place where we note down syncs that are to be made
[07:58] <dholbach> womble: our team is still growing, so we mostly rely on information from users/developers
[07:59] <dholbach> womble: a team of 10-20 people cannot perfectly handle 12.000 packages
[07:59] <aj> oh, MOTU = Masters of the universe?!
[07:59] <dholbach> aj: yes :-)
[07:59] <schweeb> aj: yes!
[07:59] <jdub> whee -> http://150.203.164.99:8800/
[07:59] <aj> i'd been wondering for days, maybe weeks
[07:59] <womble> dholbach: Unlike Debian, though (which basically presents using testing as a fair accompli), Ubuntu releases often enough that there will be insufficient test coverage of Universe to pick up all the problems in Universe.
[08:00] <schweeb> more jdub tv!
[08:00] <womble> Before release, at least
[08:00] <dholbach> womble: i can only hope our team will grow and we will form subteams which are aware of upstream/debian package changes
[08:00] <schweeb> or maybe not
[08:00] <schweeb> jdub: what is this?
[08:01] <jdub> schweeb: room of hackers ;)
[08:01] <jdub> i'm behind the camera atm
[08:01] <jdub> stream testing for lca
[08:01] <schweeb> ahhh
[08:01] <schweeb> who is on cam?
[08:02] <womble> dholbach: I don't think it can be done with the number of people you've got, either, but I don't think that saying "oh well" and letting it all hang out is the optimum point.  You'd be better off not syncing all of Debian, in that case (or at least not Sid, which might stop a few of the problems)
[08:02] <jdub> schweeb: kfish and ozone
[08:03] <spiv> jdub: Awesome, it made xine segfault.
[08:03] <schweeb> womble: the point of the freeze is to hopefully find problems in universe and stabilize them
[08:03] <womble> schweeb: Which depends on having a large enough pool of testers with sufficient motivation to withstand the breakages of pre-release software
[08:03] <schweeb> while still providing a huge number of packages for people
[08:04] <dholbach> womble: as i said, i hope we grow soon, but before that we will have to take all the snide of people saying "you can't handle it"
[08:04] <womble> Debian provides that with a stable release that is so old as to be somewhat unusable, but Ubuntu releases frequently enough that many people will stick with the releases
[08:05] <dholbach> jdub: could you wave into the camera for us?
[08:05] <womble> dholbach: It's not a snide comment, it's something you yourself admitted.
[08:05] <zenrox> nice but
[08:05] <zenrox> butt
[08:05] <dholbach> womble: i said all i could say about it :-/
[08:05] <schweeb> womble: I still haven't heard of an actual major problem with the package in question, other than the fact that it's a few revisions behind the Debian one
[08:05] <schweeb> is there a major bug in it?
[08:06] <womble> schweeb: It's broken.  Badly.
[08:06] <schweeb> or is it just old?
[08:06] <zenrox> hi hand
[08:07] <zenrox> jdub,  whats with the green line
[08:08] <schweeb> womble: okay, elaborate on broken. and do you know the cause of the brokenness?
[08:08] <dholbach> womble: i believe the overall situation will improve
[08:08] <dholbach> a lot
[08:08] <dholbach> :-)
[08:08] <schweeb> basically, we're learning from our mistakes right now
[08:09] <schweeb> and refining proper procedures
[08:09] <womble> schweeb: Doesn't install on Hoary, doesn't uninstall on Hoary, probably has a pile of security bugs large enough to drive a truck through, bunch of usability and stability bugs.  Etc.
[08:10] <schweeb> dholbach: something I've wondered, do the buildds test for install problems with packages?
[08:10] <schweeb> or does anything
[08:11] <dholbach> schweeb: we had a list with the output of    apt-cache -i unmet     around
[08:11] <dholbach> but that doesnt cover all
[08:11] <schweeb> ah
[08:11] <dholbach> UniverseUnmetDeps
[08:12] <schweeb> dholbach: do we currently have any scripts in place to track ubuntu versions vs debian versions?
[08:13] <kent> womble, what is the package in question? I just connected to irc.
[08:13] <schweeb> kent: irm
[08:13] <dholbach> schweeb: not really
[08:13] <womble> kent: irm
[08:14] <schweeb> dholbach: perhaps I'll work on some... maybe with breezy I could generate a daily/weekly changelog or something
[08:15] <ajmitch> schweeb: not too hard since there's a changes list for unstable
[08:15] <schweeb> yea
[08:16] <dholbach> or some nice script using python-apt
[08:16] <schweeb> I was thinking more of comparing the versions in Packages.gz, but the emails might work too
[08:16] <dholbach> shouldnt be too hard either
[08:17] <dholbach> i used python-apt for the apt-get.org thing
[08:17] <ajmitch> or use the existing merge tools that ubuntu uses
[08:17] <schweeb> I'll be using perl if anything :)
[08:40] <jdub> whee -> http://150.203.164.99:8800/
[08:41] <dholbach> i'm off, bye
[08:44] <womble> jdub: You know, you strain your neck doing that.
[08:50] <pitti> Hi folks
[08:52] <mike_douglas> are there going to be theora streams at "Ubuntu Down Under" for those that cannot make it?
[08:55] <jdub> mike_douglas: no
[09:02] <Treenaks> ah
[09:02] <Treenaks> it's jdub TV with a twist!
[09:03] <Lathiat> jdub: what are we watching?
[09:03] <Lathiat> now im watching jdub :) haha
[09:04] <Lathiat> thats an unusual siting
[09:04] <Amaranth> URL?
[09:04] <Treenaks> 08:40 < jdub> whee -> http://150.203.164.99:8800/
[09:05] <Lathiat> too many powerbook
[09:05] <Lathiat> s
[09:05] <Amaranth> yay, neat bug :)
[09:06] <Amaranth> i switched here then back to totem and the gui is totally blank and so is the video window
[09:06] <Lathiat> i recognise those people
[09:06] <Treenaks> Lathiat: you do?
[09:06] <Lathiat> yeh from lca04
[09:07] <Lathiat> im not goign to guess but because i probably have it wrong :)
[09:07] <Amaranth> i'm assuming he is using flumotion
[09:07] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:07] <Treenaks> Amaranth: knowing jdub: yes.
[09:07] <Amaranth> talking on the phone :)
[09:07] <Lathiat> think i know what theyre doing too 
[09:07] <Lathiat> heh
[09:08] <Lathiat> i need to get a webcam that works in linux so i can play with this stuff
[09:08] <Amaranth> jdub: quit arguing with sabdfl and do something funny ;)
[09:09] <Treenaks> Lathiat: why a webcam if you can use a TV tuner card? :)
[09:09] <mike_douglas> Lathiat: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=cams <- there are some
[09:09] <Lathiat> Treenaks: laptop
[09:09] <Lathiat> and no camera to go into tv turen card
[09:09] <Treenaks> Lathiat: laptops with built-in tuners exist
[09:09] <Lathiat> but mine doesn't have one :)
[09:09] <Treenaks> [ok, who can read lips?] 
[09:09] <Lathiat> On the other hand, when it works and you are capturing your Firewire camera
[09:09] <Lathiat> on one machine, encoding to Theora on a second (with an overlay, of course),
[09:09] <Lathiat> encoding the audio to Vorbis on a third, muxing to Ogg on a fourth, and then
[09:09] <Lathiat> streaming both audio and video from a fifth, audio only from a sixth,
[09:09] <Lathiat> video only from a seventh, and capturing all three streams to disk from
[09:09] <Lathiat> an eigth, you feel very good about yourself.
[09:09] <daniels> jdub: where the hell are you?
[09:10] <Lathiat> And you also have too many computers.
[09:10] <Treenaks> daniels: he's on the phone
[09:10] <Treenaks> (if this stream is live)
[09:10] <Lathiat> daniels: he appears to be somewhere with lca04 people organising lca05 streaming, at a guess, no idea where that is :)
[09:10] <daniels> oh, right.  now it all clicks.
[09:11] <Treenaks> daniels: http://150.203.164.99:8800/
[09:11] <Lathiat> and the two people looked vaugely like aj and silvia but i have absolutely no idea the videos a bit hard to make out
[09:11] <thom> Lathiat: k and silvia
[09:11] <Lathiat> k?
[09:11] <daniels> Treenaks: yeah, I was watching the stream, just trying to work out where he was
[09:11] <daniels> Lathiat: conrad parker
[09:11] <thom> Lathiat: conrad parker
[09:11] <Lathiat> oh right
[09:11] <daniels> thom: jinx!
[09:11] <Lathiat> the hat put me off :)
[09:12] <Lathiat> plus theres no sound :)
[09:12] <Treenaks> there's some weird musicish thing
[09:12] <Lathiat> oh i cant here that
[09:12] <Lathiat> weird
[09:12] <Lathiat> oh my internal speaker volume is off
[09:12] <Lathiat> there we go
[09:14] <Amaranth> heh
[09:16] <Treenaks> hm, if UDU will have stuff like this... :)
[09:17] <Treenaks> (too bad the timezone diff is hell)
[09:17] <Lathiat> hmm flumation-admin crashes for me :(
[09:17] <Lathiat> Treenaks: nah UDU wont
[09:17] <Treenaks> Lathiat: :(
[09:17] <Lathiat> apparently linux.conf.au will
[09:19] <Amaranth> haha
[09:20] <Amaranth> don't flip me off
[09:20] <Lathiat> i keep missing screencaps of all these funny images
[09:20] <Lathiat> i need to setup a gst pipeline to save the stream :)
[09:21] <Lathiat> that was far too easy
[09:21] <Lathiat> gstreamer rocks
[09:21] <maswan> heh. bandwidth usage seems to be going up again. you guys rock with your releases! :)
[09:21] <Lathiat> haha
[09:22] <Lathiat> whats the url for the ftp data 
[09:22] <Amaranth> then made the vlc window always on top
[09:22] <Lathiat> Amaranth: use totem...
[09:22] <Amaranth> so i miss nothing :)
[09:22] <Amaranth> Lathiat: It froze.
[09:22] <Lathiat> then just hide controls and set on top
[09:22] <Lathiat> or
[09:22] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[09:23] <maswan> plus this for the i386 install and live cds:
[09:23] <maswan> http://farbror.acc.umu.se/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[09:23] <Lathiat> haha fark
[09:24] <Lathiat> i can see we're goign to keep you busy :)
[09:24] <Amaranth> did he just kill the stream?
[09:24] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:24] <Amaranth> dang
[09:24] <desrt> Lathiat; wake up!
[09:24] <Lathiat> desrt: what?
[09:24] <Amaranth> oh well, back to system of a down
[09:24] <desrt> nothing :)
[09:25] <Lathiat> desrt: :P
[09:25] <desrt> Amaranth; they're trying to build a prison.
[09:25] <Amaranth> desrt: Nah, nothing that old.
[09:25] <Amaranth> desrt: dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine
[09:26] <desrt> boring.
[09:26] <Lathiat> gotta love PNG
[09:26] <Lathiat> i took a screencap
[09:26] <Amaranth> do you know what song it is?
[09:26] <Lathiat> over a 16K/s stream
[09:26] <Lathiat> and the image is 140K :)
[09:26] <desrt> byob
[09:26] <Amaranth> :)
[09:26] <Amaranth> damnit :/
[09:26] <Amaranth> i left my pepsi caps 100mi away
[09:29] <pitti> daniels: here?
[09:31] <fabbione> hey pitti
[09:32] <pitti> Hi fabbione, could you finally sleep again? :-)
[09:32] <Lathiat> man
[09:32] <Lathiat> the intel speedstep driver sucks
[09:32] <Lathiat> keeps getting stuck on 600mhz or 2ghz when scaling is off
[09:32] <fabbione> pitti: no :(
[09:33] <desrt> hey.  it's that gamin guy
[09:34] <pitti> Kamion: here?
[09:35] <Lathiat> hmm it takes a good 14 seconds to show up /usr/bin in the gnome file selector
[09:37] <desrt> ya.  that's particularly annoying when you're trying to convince firefox to not suck
[09:37] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:37] <Lathiat> thats exactly the use case :)
[09:37] <Lathiat> i wish it woudl show evince up
[09:37] <desrt> i'm about ready to be driven back to ephy
[09:38] <desrt> it's *so* much nicer in terms of integration
[09:38] <desrt> everything *everything* works properly
[09:38] <desrt> it just doesn't have all the features
[09:38] <Lathiat> i used to use ephy 
[09:39] <desrt> uh.  wtf
[09:39] <Lathiat> heh i just did the same ting :P
[09:39] <Lathiat> desrt: apt-get install epiphany-browser
[09:39] <desrt> lame.
[09:39] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:39] <Lathiat> epiphany has been around longer
[09:39] <Lathiat> the funny thing is
[09:39] <Lathiat> the epiphany package
[09:39] <Lathiat> installs the epiphany-game binary
[09:39] <Lathiat> and the epiphany-browser package
[09:39] <Lathiat> installs the epiphany binary
[09:39] <Lathiat> :)
[09:39] <desrt> is there a way to tell apt to remove dependancies from stuff i just removed?
[09:39] <Lathiat> desrt: you could look at deborphan
[09:39] <Lathiat> but not rally
[09:39] <Lathiat> *reall
[09:39] <Lathiat> y
[09:40] <Lathiat> eww default epiphany install is broken
[09:40] <Lathiat> doesnt shwo up the addres and statusbar
[09:40] <desrt> ugh
[09:40] <Lathiat> s
[09:40] <desrt> how bad?
[09:40] <desrt> oh.  that's so fixable
[09:40] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:40] <Lathiat> just wrong
[09:41] <Lathiat> i need to get the industrial firefox theme or the buttons and stuff
[09:41] <desrt> man.  running ephy fills me with a desire to switch back to bluecurve
[09:41] <Lathiat> desrt: whys that?
[09:41] <desrt> bluecurve has the best stock icons
[09:41] <Lathiat> oh ok
[09:42] <desrt> one thing i don't understand about web browsers is why they have like 12 different 'font' menus
[09:42] <desrt> western/eastern/unicode/whatever
[09:44] <desrt> oh yes.  a non-broken downloader.
[09:45] <Lathiat>  i must try it
[09:45] <Lathiat> firefoxes cant reven resume downlodas its stupid
[09:46] <desrt> hot.  find toolbar extension for ephy
[09:47] <daniels> pitti: hey dude.  should I SSH into chinstrap?
[09:47] <Lathiat> dear god, its so cool
[09:47] <Lathiat> im sold :)
[09:47] <pitti> daniels: :-)
[09:47] <desrt> smart bookmarks
[09:47] <pitti> daniels: usn-linux.txt waits for a thorough pair of eyes 
[09:47] <desrt> wow.  all it really needs now is half-decent gestures
[09:47] <Lathiat> i dont use gestures anyway
[09:48] <desrt> i do.. constantly
[09:48] <thom> pitti: dude, are you likely to look at hal 0.5 in the next few days? or shall i port what we have already and start testing?
[09:48] <desrt> it's infuriating to try to live without them
[09:48] <daniels> pitti: only few -> very few
[09:49] <pitti> thom: in fact I wanted to upload it ASAP
[09:49] <daniels> (or 'only a few')
[09:49] <pitti> thom: however, we need dbus 0.30 before --> daniels?
[09:49] <daniels> pitti: does it need dbus 0.3x?
[09:49] <daniels> yeah, i'll do that tonight
[09:49] <pitti> cool
[09:49] <daniels> pitti: the rest of usn-linux.txt is fine
[09:49] <pitti> daniels: corrected, thanks
[09:50] <thom> pitti: ok, great
[09:50] <thom> i was just about to prod daniel about dbus ;-)
[09:51] <pitti> thom: however, new hal/dbus will break some gnome stuff, but I have a pointer to patches, and gnome 2.11 will convert anyway
[09:51] <thom> gnome-power and NM shortly after hal goes in, then :-)
[09:51] <pitti> can we upload into breezy now?
[09:51] <thom> pitti: yep
[09:51] <pitti> cool
[09:51] <thom> pitti: (that was about gnome) dunno bout breezy
[09:52] <daniels> thom: i was too busy working on /usr/X11R6 -> /usr and modularisation
[09:52] <pitti> ah
[09:52] <pitti> -changes is sooo empty :-P
[09:52] <thom> daniels: seems fair
[09:53] <Lathiat> epiphany loads faster too
[09:55] <thom> pitti: nod
[09:55] <pitti> btw, wouldn't it make more sense to rename hoary-changes to ubuntu-changes?
[09:55] <pitti> jdub: ^
[09:56] <pitti> jdub: or is there a breezy-changes list now?
[09:56] <thom> i think per-distro feeds makes more sense, and yes there is breezy-changes and you should be subbed already
[09:56] <Amaranth> ooh, debian mono 1.1 packages
[09:56] <pitti> but neither warty-changes nor hoary-changes will see any mails any more now??
[09:57] <crimsun> Amaranth: they work well so far.
[09:57] <thom> pitti: arguably, hoary-updates/security should send mail there, IMO
[09:57] <pitti> hmm, yeah
[10:01] <bob2> I'd like to nominate update-apt as the funniest package in ubuntu
[10:01] <bob2> and give it some sort of special icon in synaptic
[10:01] <mantien1> Hi all
[10:02] <desrt> update-apt sounds vaguely useful
[10:02] <thom> so i'm automatically typing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade every few hours by reflex
[10:02] <desrt> my friend could use that.  he's on dialup.
[10:02] <thom> bon jour seb
[10:02] <seb128> lu thom :)
[10:03] <Lathiat> thom: i do the same thing heh
[10:03] <bob2> desrt: it's an entire package for 3-line shellscript
[10:03] <desrt> fair enough
[10:03] <bob2> desrt: the Packages entry is longer than the entire package contents
[10:03] <Lathiat> haha
[10:04] <desrt> wow.  the ubuntu-spatial-is-broken bug refuses to die
[10:04] <Lathiat> to be honest
[10:04] <desrt> hoary is released already
[10:04] <Lathiat> i kinda like it now.
[10:04] <Lathiat> rrequ
[10:04] <Lathiat> ires less thinking
[10:04] <desrt> i still despise it :)
[10:04] <Lathiat> i despise it on principal
[10:04] <Lathiat> but practically its kinda good...
[10:05] <desrt> maybe you should be using browser mode, then
[10:05] <Lathiat> reasoning being, i have to think less about when i want to keep a window open
[10:05] <Lathiat> and for some reason, its easier for me to think about that
[10:05] <Lathiat> than to constantly middle click stuff i don't want
[10:05] <Lathiat> and when i want to open a new window without closing behind, i think about it
[10:05] <desrt> i rarely middle click
[10:06] <desrt> metacity arranges the focus of the windows in a nice stack
[10:06] <Lathiat> problem is, i end up with 30 open nautilus windows far too often
[10:06] <desrt> so i can whack ^W a few times to go back to higher levels
[10:06] <desrt> it's nice
[10:06] <Lathiat> the only reason being because i was navigating around files
[10:06] <Lathiat> desrt: also, assumedly
[10:06] <Lathiat> they are stil whinging on the bug
[10:06] <Lathiat> in the hopes its reverted in breezy
[10:07] <desrt> ya.  that's true, i guess
[10:07] <desrt> although, the whole time my argument was to delay until breezy
[10:07] <Lathiat> mm browser mode
[10:07] <desrt> since at least by then it might half-way work properly
[10:07] <Lathiat> location bar is usefull
[10:07] <Lathiat> for getting into hidden folders and stuff
[10:07] <Lathiat> the places menu on nautilus windows needs sto be fixed
[10:07] <desrt> after they figure out all the weird corner cases and actually have time to fix them
[10:07] <Lathiat> to be the same as the one on the desktop
[10:08] <Lathiat> s/desktop/panel
[10:09] <desrt> hmm
[10:09] <desrt> the file browser is a lot less offensive than i remember
[10:09] <desrt> the tree is sort of extremely useful
[10:09] <jdub> pitti: there's breezy-changes now
[10:09] <jdub> hey so
[10:09] <jdub> http://150.203.164.99:8810/
[10:09] <jdub> http://150.203.164.99:8820/
[10:09] <pitti> jdub: okay, thanks. Are we already sub'ed?
[10:10] <seb128> hey jdub/pitti
[10:10] <jdub> pitti: yeah
[10:10] <jdub> yo seb128 
[10:10] <pitti> Hi seb128 
[10:10] <seb128> breezy open for uploads ?
[10:10] <jdub> ^ two angles ;)
[10:10] <jdub> seb128: don't think so
[10:11] <pitti> we want new crack!
[10:11] <pitti> :-)
[10:11] <Lathiat> jdub: whats with the green line
[10:11] <daniels> jdub: nice curtains
[10:12] <Lathiat> totem needs to be able to have two windwos open
[10:15] <Lathiat> hmm the seocnd stream keeps rebuffering
[10:16] <desrt> mm.  powerbook.
[10:18] <Amaranth> the second one won't play at all for me
[10:18] <Amaranth> never gets more than one frame out of buffering
[10:19] <Amaranth> no more music? :/
[10:22] <Lathiat> i need to get my ipaq to play them over bluetooth from my laptop :)
[10:23] <Amaranth> jordi: You had a nightmare about epochs?
[10:24] <jordi> Amaranth: I assure you I did.
[10:25] <Amaranth> just....wow
[10:26] <Lathiat> i dreamt in python once
[10:26] <Lathiat> it was weird i was like defining the world aroudn me in code
[10:26] <Lathiat> lets just say.. i hadn't slept in a good 48 hours
[10:27] <Amaranth> heh
[10:27] <Amaranth> worst i ever did was fix a bug in my sleep
[10:28] <Lathiat> haha
[10:28] <Lathiat> i dreamt about how to fix a bug in some bash script
[10:28] <Amaranth> woke up, created the patch, and went back to bed
[10:28] <Lathiat> haha
[10:28] <Lathiat> i have a mate who sleep walks
[10:28] <Lathiat> he like.. woke up in the shower
[10:28] <Lathiat> full on having a shower, with the right temperature
[10:28] <Amaranth> heh
[10:28] <Lathiat> was like, wtf?
[10:28] <Lathiat> heh
[10:29] <Amaranth> i've only done that once that i know of, just going to the bathroom
[10:29] <Lathiat> ive never sleep walked
[10:29] <Lathiat> well.. not that i woke up in
[10:29] <Lathiat> :)
[10:29] <Amaranth> oh, i didn't wake up, someone told me about it
[10:29] <Lathiat> haha
[10:29] <Lathiat> i fell asleep on top of my laptop once :\ haha, my mum took a picture
[10:30] <Amaranth> heh
[10:30] <Lathiat> ah dear
[10:30] <Lathiat> nothing else is usable for me
[10:30] <Lathiat> everytime i use kde or windows i just want to stab myself
[10:30] <Lathiat> macosx was kinda ok
[10:31] <Lathiat> maybe i'd be a mac user
[10:31] <Amaranth> i feel asleep working on a server through ssh, let's just say the server had to be reimaged
[10:31] <Lathiat> haha
[10:31] <Lathiat> oops
[10:31] <Lathiat> i had a mate who was drunk and tired
[10:31] <Lathiat> had to shut down a server
[10:31] <Lathiat> shut down another clients server isntead
[10:31] <Lathiat> on a friday night :)
[10:31] <Amaranth> ouch
[10:32] <Lathiat> they werent happy on monday 
[10:32] <Amaranth> i appearently chmod'ed / instead of ~/something
[10:32] <Lathiat> funnily enough :)
[10:32] <Lathiat> Amaranth: -R? :)
[10:32] <Amaranth> everything was non-executable
[10:32] <Amaranth> yeah :/
[10:32] <Lathiat> hahaha
[10:32] <Lathiat> oops
[10:32] <Lathiat> my school admin
[10:32] <Lathiat> accidentally chowned / -R
[10:32] <Lathiat> spent the next 2 days looking at a copy server
[10:32] <Lathiat> and chowning everything back
[10:33] <Amaranth> the server was completely lost, i couldn't run anything
[10:33] <Lathiat> im not surprised
[10:33] <Lathiat> :)
[10:35] <Amaranth> it cost $$$ to have them reimage it, i got root privledges taken away :)
[10:36] <Lathiat> haha
[10:45] <thom> muh?
[10:45] <thom> what am i getting smacked for?
[10:46] <infinity> Just for being you, mostly.
[10:46] <thom> oh, right
[10:46] <infinity> And for having "rm /some/conffile" in a postrm without a "-f".
[10:46] <infinity> (powermanagement-interface)
[10:47] <thom> oh, meh
[10:47] <infinity> (No, that's not the source of the bug on -devel, I just noticed your bug when investigating his)
[10:47] <thom> well, i was gonna say
[10:47] <thom> why debconf is getting invoked at all unless ucf does madness is confusing me
[10:47] <infinity> ucf uses debconf.
[10:48] <infinity> But I found your bug when deleting the conffile to see what ucf would do.
[10:48] <infinity> Of course, I deleted the conffile, the installation still went fine, then I tried to purge the package, and it broke. :)
[10:48] <thom> heh
[10:48] <infinity> So, yeah.  File a bug on yourself and remind yourself to fix it when breezy opens up.
[11:03] <pitti> Hi infinity 
[11:04] <thom> infinity: tested and uploaded
[11:06] <infinity> Hey pitti.
[11:08] <maswan> there, made arrangments for more than one Gbit/s uplink for our computer club. Hope everything works out. :)
[11:25] <astharot> ciao
[11:26] <Mithrandir> has breezy opened up yet?  /me wants new crack.
[11:28] <pitti> Mithrandir: I tried an upload, it just vanished
[11:29] <Lathiat> almo probably took to it with an axe :)
[11:29] <Lathiat> die updated software scum!
[11:32] <Amaranth> oh, does breezy at least not 404 now?
[11:34] <thom> pitti: it's prolly in NEW
[11:34] <pitti> thom: pmount???
[11:34] <thom> well, or whatver the state is for something uplaoded to a distro that doesn't exist :P
[11:34] <daniels> i uploaded l-r-m to breezy at 1000 UTC on friday, it still hasn't gone through
[11:36] <fabbione> daniels: guess what?
[11:36] <fabbione> daniels: there is no breezy yet in the archive
[11:36] <fabbione> and lucky you that elmo didn't goatse you with my proposed mail for rejection :)
[11:37] <Lathiat> haha
[11:38] <mantien1> daniels: could you tell me what to do when dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't not autodetect my video card ? I could tell you output of lspci -n :)
[11:38] <daniels> fabbione: i heard about your unaccept proposal
[11:38] <daniels> mantien1: output of lspci -n, /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf is good
[11:40] <mantien1> I modified xorg.conf, after autodetection I got vesa driver and manually replaced it with correct - nv driver, so it seems you don't need my manualy modified xorg.conf ;)
[11:40] <Amaranth> does anyone know where mark pilgrim went?
[11:41] <mantien1> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ lspci |grep VGA
[11:41] <mantien1> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0343 (rev a1)
[11:41] <mantien1> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ lspci -n |grep "01:00"
[11:41] <mantien1> 0000:01:00.0 0300: 10de:0343 (rev a1)
[11:41] <Amaranth> mantien1: I think he meant on bugzilla.
[11:41] <mantien1> Amaranth: ok
[11:41] <Amaranth> Please don't dump Xorg.o.log into this channel
[11:41] <mantien1> Amaranth: hehehe ;)
[11:42] <daniels> hm, what the hell is 0343?
[11:42] <daniels> hmmm
[11:42] <daniels> are you running warty or hoary?
[11:42] <mantien1> hoary
[11:43] <daniels> oh, right, duh
[11:43] <daniels> i'd be interested to see how it came up with vesa
[11:43] <daniels> what's the Idenfitier in the Device section?
[11:44] <mantien1> daniels: 0343 is NVIDIA Geforce  FX 5700LE
[11:44] <mantien1> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ grep "Chipset" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:44] <mantien1> (--) Chipset GeForce FX 5700LE found
[11:44] <mantien1> (--) NV(0): Chipset: "GeForce FX 5700LE"
[11:44] <daniels> mantien1: yeah, it's an nv36 (it's in discover1-data's list, not pciutils's list)
[11:45] <daniels> mantien1: so what's the Identifier in the Device section of xorg.conf?
[11:45] <mantien1> Section "Device"
[11:45] <mantien1>         Identifier      "Generic Video Card"
[11:45] <mantien1> but I'm not 100% if I don't changed this line manually
[11:45] <mantien1> s/not 100%/not 100% sure
[11:47] <daniels> generic video card?
[11:47] <daniels> you sure that came from xorg.conf?
[11:47] <mantien1> yea
[11:47] <daniels> does sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, give you something that works?
[11:48] <daniels> from xorg.conf -> from the xorg.conf that Ubuntu generated
[11:49] <mantien1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg gives me debconf window, which asks for X server driver
[11:49] <daniels> huh
[11:49] <daniels> are xresprobe, discover1 and discover1-data installed?
[11:49] <mantien1> of course :)
[11:50] <mantien1> root@ubuntu:~# dpkg -s discover1 |grep Ver
[11:50] <mantien1> Version: 1.7.7
[11:50] <mantien1> root@ubuntu:~# dpkg -s discover1-data |grep Ver
[11:50] <mantien1> Version: 1.2005.01.08
[11:51] <mantien1> other video cards are detected properly
[12:21] <thom> infinity: they're not booting you out of the country?
[12:21] <infinity> thom : They better not be.  I need to go back tomorrow. :/
[12:21] <thom> infinity: ouh :/
[12:22] <jsgotangco> jdub: u there?
[12:22] <daniels> infinity: eep.  good luck with it.
[12:23] <maswan> torkel: yes?
[12:23] <jdub> jsgotangco: yo, pretty busy, but what's up?
[12:24] <torkel> maswan: 02:32 #ubuntu-devel: (maswan) ogra: well, if torkel, stric and a few others in this city register, I'll be hidden too
[12:24] <Mithrandir> torkel: the ubuntuaroundtheworld thing
[12:24] <Mithrandir> jdub: why did you increase the number of beers you owe me (now-12ish hours)?
[12:25] <Mithrandir> (as in, what have I done?)
[12:25] <infinity> Mithrandir : Clearly, you're just an allround good guy.
[12:25] <Mithrandir> heh :)
[12:25] <torkel> ah
[12:26] <jsgotangco> jdub: filling up my visa application for UDU there's a contact person field who's our Sydney contact for UDU?
[12:26] <Mithrandir> "Battery is about to empty"  "42 hours 7 minutes (8%) is left".  Stupid.
[12:26] <torkel> pitty I left the GPS at home then... :-)
[12:26] <jdub> jsgotangco: me :)
[12:26] <thom> Mithrandir: giggle
[12:26] <pitti> Mithrandir: I want to have your battery :-)
[12:26] <jsgotangco> jdub: OK I add you then but i need yo numbah
[12:26] <Mithrandir> pitti: it's plugged in, acpi is just acting up and claiming that my battery is at 1/10th of the level it is.
[12:27] <Mithrandir> the battery applet should "don't notify unless < 8% and <30 minutes"
[12:27] <pitti> Mithrandir: oh, so your local power plant will go down in less than two days? :-P
[12:27] <maswan> torkel: you're currently at N6349'13.213", E2018'23.941", or at least within 30 m from that. :)
[12:28] <Mithrandir> pitti: :P
[12:28] <maswan> torkel: at least according to the robot guy. :)
[12:29] <torkel> maswan: :-)
[12:33] <Amaranth> Hmm, this is interesting. gnome-menus appears to be using en_GB even though I'm using en_US
[12:33] <Amaranth> So if I change Name[en_US]  it doesn't appear to do anything because the locale is wrong.
[12:49] <doko> jbailey: ping
[12:57] <ctd> I might aswell say now, bittornado in hoary appears to be broken.
[12:58] <Treenaks> ctd: it's not.
[12:59] <ctd> I must be missing something? I've had it running all day and it's not been connecting to other peers. Use btdownloadcurses.bittorrent and it's fine.
[01:00] <thom> bittornado works for me (TM)
[01:01] <Treenaks> same here
[01:01] <ctd> Treenaks: Don't think so, been working for ages.
[01:01] <ctd> Treenaks: till i updated today
[01:02] <fabbione> mjg59: ping?
[01:12] <Lathiat> ctd: i use bittornado all the time
[01:13] <Lathiat> all day today in fact
[01:13] <Lathiat> and yesterday and the day before
[01:13] <Lathiat> :)
[01:13] <ctd> Lathiat: I can imagine you doing that.
[01:13] <Lathiat> i put in an upgrade to 1.5
[01:13] <Lathiat> :)
[01:20] <fabbione> mjg59: unpong
[01:22] <mjg59> Aww. I'm not wanted.
[01:22] <fabbione> mjg59: nah.. i was just seeking info of the url for the sony acpi driver, but after a few hours of google i found it
[01:22] <Treenaks> Is there any news on the "smart battery" (acpi-sbs) front?
[01:22] <aj> anyone know offhand about how many TB of hoary have been served last couple of days?
[01:23] <fabbione> mjg59: given that breezy will open within the next days, i should be able to give you some real good crack
[01:23] <thom> aj: "lots"
[01:23] <mjg59> Haha
[01:23] <aj> thom: 1? 10? 100? 1000? petabytes?
[01:23] <mjg59> fabbione: I'm off to LCA on Friday, not sure how much time I'll have that week
[01:23] <Lathiat> aj: last count, at least 12
[01:23] <fabbione> mjg59: oh lucky you.. have fun :) linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.11.90
[01:23] <Lathiat> aj: would be far more by now
[01:24] <aj> mjg59: "none" is a safe bet, but the rest of ubuntu probably won't either :)
[01:24] <aj> Lathiat: so 20ish?
[01:24] <Lathiat> aj: 20/30 + -- and that was just bittorrent and se.releases
[01:24] <Lathiat> the primary site and us mirrors did similarly stupid amounts of traffic
[01:24] <aj> oh, so 100ish all up say?
[01:24] <Lathiat> perhaps
[01:25] <mjg59> aj: On Friday evening, the main mirror was shifting 540MBit
[01:25] <thom> aj: given how much traffic gb.archive was doing that may not be unreasonable
[01:25] <Lathiat> se.releases was doing 550mbit for a good day
[01:25] <Lathiat> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[01:25] <Lathiat> they went up to 110M/s at one point
[01:26] <Lathiat> including the second box on that sconnection
[01:26] <mjg59> The number of pre-ordered CDs is something ridiculous
[01:27] <Lathiat> http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/umea2.umea-srp,2005-04-08,raw,traffic-kbit
[01:27] <thom> mjg59: ~300000
[01:27] <Lathiat> http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/umea2.umea-srp,2005--14,hr,traffic-kbit <-- more usefull
[01:28] <aj> is that peaking at ~2Gb/s?
[01:28] <jdub> http://150.203.164.99:8811/
[01:28] <jdub> ^ heh :-)
[01:28] <pitti> smurfix: ping
[01:29] <smurfix> pitti: 
[01:29] <pitti> smurfix: I just added an UDU wiki page, and got a nice status message:
[01:29] <pitti> [en]  MatthiasUrlichs: Connection to mailserver 'localhost' failed: (111, 'Connection refused')
[01:29] <daniels> jdub: nice!
[01:29] <daniels> haha
[01:29] <daniels> works really well with the overlay
[01:29] <daniels> (hint: it's solid blue on the framebuffer)
[01:30] <jdub> yeah
[01:30] <jdub> that's i855switch in action :)
[01:30] <daniels> woah
[01:30] <jdub> i855crt
[01:30] <jdub> overlay probs
[01:30] <daniels> watching IRC in realtime gives you a good sense of the lag in play
[01:30] <smurfix> pitti: Tell that to whoever has set up the UDU machine
[01:30] <jdub> plus still don't get my mouse cursor
[01:30] <jdub> daniels: that's flumotion lag
[01:30] <smurfix> pitti: (and/or the wiki)
[01:31] <smurfix> pitti: should be mdz and/or mako
[01:31] <daniels> jdub: oh man, dude, that script is a terrible terrible terrible hack
[01:31] <jdub> haha
[01:31] <jdub> it's great
[01:32] <jdub> general stream delay
[01:34] <Kamion> pitti: pong?
[01:34] <aj> Lathiat: hrm, so that graph says ~72 TB per month, and then as much again in a few days post release?
[01:34] <pitti> Kamion: Hi! that was about a USN review, daniels already did it
[01:35] <Kamion> ok, cool
[01:35] <fabbione> morning Kamion 
[01:35] <fabbione> jdub: nice stream...
[01:55] <fabbione> jdub: they re-added the pwc driver upstream. i am going to drop the external one
[02:06] <Lathiat> aj: that ftp site does more than just ubuntu
[02:06] <Lathiat> aj: just you can see the fuck load of release traffic on top of normal
[02:07] <aj> Lathiat: how much stuff's mirrored? 500GB?
[02:07] <Lathiat> aj: nah wouldn't be anything like that
[02:07] <Lathiat> maybe 100?
[02:07] <aj> oh, not even a full debian mirror on it or anything?
[02:07] <Lathiat> maybe
[02:07] <Lathiat> oh you mean total
[02:08] <aj> yeah
[02:08] <Lathiat> i dunno they have a page with the ftp cluster machines and listing their disks
[02:08] <Lathiat> could add it up
[02:08] <Lathiat> or just ask maswan :)
[02:08] <aj> oh, it's one of maswan's, fair enough. maybe a TB then
[02:09] <Lathiat> ftp.acc.umu.se
[02:09] <Lathiat> cdimage.debian.org :)
[02:09] <Lathiat> but thats on another machine
[02:09] <Lathiat> aj: why you wondering?
[02:10] <aj> just curious at b/w : disk ratios
[02:10] <Lathiat> ah right
[02:11] <aj> hrm, okay, 500GBish sounds near enough
[02:14] <Amaranth> jdub: Don't you pay per GB for broadband?
[02:16] <Pizbit> Not always
[02:18] <bob2> I don't (in .au)
[02:20] <kent> Its not so common to pay per GB in sweden either. I dont.
[02:21] <Amaranth> oh
[02:21] <Amaranth> last time i talked to an aussie about broadband was 3 years ago, things have changed?
[02:22] <daniels> it's common to pay for it in .au
[02:22] <zul> hey
[02:31] <maswan> aj: se.releases did somewhere between 10-15TB
[02:31] <maswan> aj: hmm.. probably closer to 10.
[02:34] <thom> jbailey: dude?
[02:34] <jbailey> thom: 'sup?
[02:35] <seb128> he guys, there is a user on #ubuntu-fr with an some issues to get his soundcard working
[02:36] <seb128> it worked after the installation and not since he restarted the box
[02:36] <seb128> the lsmod output is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LL4YVp95.html
[02:36] <seb128> is that due to oss and alsa drivers loaded together or something like that ?
[02:37] <archster> can anyone point me to a change log please ..
[02:37] <daniels> jbailey: dude!  radeon_drv from hoary final should work fine on your machine
[02:37] <maswan> aj: the temporary host that have been handling the i386 install and live cds has delivered 3.8TB since the release. ftp.acc/se.releases proper has sent approc 12TB, out of which somewhere aroudn 6-8 woudl be normal "background" traffic of debian packages, gnome, etc.
[02:37] <maswan> aj: (looking at the weekly numbers)
[02:37] <jbailey> seb128: It could easily be.  Does the card show up at all in /proc/asound?
[02:37] <archster> I'm trying to find the difference between the mar 30 release and the april 7 one
[02:37] <jbailey> daniels: Nice, I'll do an update.
[02:37] <seb128> jbailey: he has no /dev/dsp, let me ask that
[02:38] <jbailey> seb128: If there's no /dev/dsp then I don't think it's an alsa/oss conflict.   I would've expected one of them to grab it and hold it against the other.
[02:38] <thom> jbailey: so checkfs.sh runs before hotplug during boot; but if one of the filesystems to be checked is on a disk that hasn't had a mdoule loaded yet the whole shooting wagon goes off the rails; is this known/fixable
[02:39] <seb128> jbailey: 
 Camera  card1  devices  oss  seq     V8235
 card0   cards  modules  pcm  timers  version
[02:40] <jbailey> thom: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5204
[02:40] <jbailey> thom: Best bet is /etc/modules right now, sorry.
[02:40] <thom> jbailey: nod; is what i figured
[02:41] <seb128> jbailey: do you know how to solve the issue of both alsa and oss modules loaded ?
[02:42] <jbailey> thom: There are two things that I see happening for breezy.  1) Running a first hotplug pass inside the initrd, 2) running a second hotplug pass as soon as possible. 
[02:42] <jbailey> seb128: hotplug blacklist.
[02:42] <jbailey> seb128: (Assuming that they're hotplug detected, on not just /etc/modules'd)
[02:43] <thom> jbailey: nod, cool
[02:43] <seb128> he has not changed anything
[02:43] <jbailey> seb128: Hmm.  via82cxxx_audio is already blacklisted.
[02:43] <jbailey> I guess via82cxxx isn't the OSS driver, then.
[02:44] <Treenaks> jbailey: it's the IDE driver, I think
[02:45] <jbailey> Treenaks: Makes sense.  Hard to keep it straight with all the integrated chipsets. =)
[02:46] <lunatik> hi there, is there a team for e17 in ubuntu like kubuntu ? 
[02:46] <jbailey> dict e17?
[02:46] <thom> jbailey: enlightenment
[02:46] <jbailey> Wow, isn't that a blast from the past. =)
[02:46] <aj> maswan: ta; interesting
[02:47] <jbailey> daniels: I have a fresh install on here right now without ubuntu-desktop.  Should it work well enough that just installing ubuntu-desktop will take care of all the autodetection?
[02:47] <Riddell> lunatik: no, but then e17 hasn't been released yet
[02:47] <daniels> jbailey: as long as that drags xresprobe in, yeah
[02:48] <lunatik> Riddell: not released but compilation and usage is ok for me :)
[02:48] <jbailey> daniels: Okay, it's only recommended, so I'll add it in.
[02:49] <lunatik> jbailey: not the past, the future ;)
[02:49] <Riddell> lunatik: well you can join MOTU to get packages in the repositories if they arn't there already
[02:49] <SlackShrike> I would like to help to the package language-support-pt and ubuntu-live.  How I make this?
[02:50] <lunatik> Riddell: ok, I would like to help
[02:50] <Riddell> SlackShrike: language-support is automatically generated
[02:50] <Riddell> lunatik: /join #ubuntu-motu
[02:50] <lunatik> ok
[02:51] <jbailey> daniels: Looks like I'll be able to let you know in about 30 minutes or so.
[02:51] <lunatik> thx :)
[02:53] <SlackShrike> i am like to help in the ubuntu-live-cd. 
[02:55] <trulux> heya folks
[02:55] <trulux> how's it going!
[02:55] <SlackShrike> I would like to help in the LiveCd of ubuntu and I would like to know where I am all the process of creation of live to study.  Thanks!
[02:58] <Kamion> you mean contents of the live CD, or the process of starting the live CD up?
[02:58] <SlackShrike> Riddell: why it did not separate pt of pt-br?
[02:59] <Kamion> not separating those makes the installer's life easier
[02:59] <Kamion> it's possible that it may change in the future but there were good reasons for it the way it is now
[03:02] <Mithrandir> jbailey: moo.
[03:02] <SlackShrike> Kamion: The two
[03:02] <Mithrandir> jbailey: can we schedule some time to look at my mkinitrd problem (the i2o controller)
[03:03] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Yup.  During what times and in what timezone is the box available?
[03:03] <Kamion> SlackShrike: the contents are just the same as in normal Ubuntu; if you want to work on some component, just work on it; you don't need to work on it in the context of the live CD
[03:03] <Mithrandir> jbailey: preferably day, CET.
[03:03] <Kamion> SlackShrike: the startup process is in the casper source package
[03:04] <SlackShrike> The reason is the difference between pt and pt-br and goes to install two packages of lingua of the openoffice without necessity
[03:04] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Can we do Wednesday morning then?  I need a couple days to catch up from the weekend before I try to get up earlier than my usual time. =)
[03:04] <Mithrandir> jbailey: your morning or my morning? :)
[03:04] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Yours. =)
[03:04] <jbailey> Thinking like 11 or so.
[03:05] <SlackShrike> Kamion: the Ubuntu use the morphix for make the live cd, ok ?
[03:05] <Mithrandir> jbailey: 11 CEST is fine with me.  Let me check with the people who are local too.
[03:05] <Kamion> SlackShrike: no
[03:05] <Kamion> we used Morphix in Warty, but it was too broken
[03:05] <Kamion> and too difficult to autobuild in the context of our normal build framework
[03:05] <jbailey> Oh wait, did you go through DST recently?  Is that still 09h00 GMT? or is that now 8?  I'll do it either way, just want to make sure we're there at the same time.
[03:05] <Kamion> so we wrote casper, which unified the live CD hardware detection with that of our normal installer
[03:06] <Mithrandir> jbailey: we're at UTC+2 now, so that's 0900 UTC.
[03:06] <jbailey> Luvly.
[03:06] <mantien1> SlackShrike: ubuntu live cd technology has better hardware detection than Morphix/Knoppix
[03:06] <Mithrandir> jbailey: that's fine with us, we'll make sure the serial console and such is working then so you can hack around to your heart's pleaseure. :)
[03:06] <SlackShrike> How it is the creation of the installation compact disc?
[03:07] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Cool, this'll be a fun adventure. =)
[03:07] <Mithrandir> jbailey: absolutely. :)
[03:08] <Kamion> SlackShrike: I can't understand that sentence, sorry
[03:09] <daniels> Kamion: how does the install CD get created?
[03:09] <SlackShrike> Yes
[03:09] <daniels> SlackShrike: we use a system called debian-cd to create all our installer CDs
[03:09] <daniels> SlackShrike: also our live CDs
[03:09] <Kamion> SlackShrike: a long process involving debian-cd which I'm afraid we haven't yet packaged up in such a way that anyone can run it easily
[03:10] <SlackShrike> daniels: The difference of live for install is alone casper ?
[03:10] <SlackShrike> thanks
[03:10] <SlackShrike> i will stude this now
[03:11] <daniels> SlackShrike: that's right -- the live cd uses debian-installer, and just starts a session with casper
[03:11] <theine> Is linux-image-2.6.11-1 rather safe to use?
[03:11] <Kamion> theine: no
[03:11] <daniels> theine: safe, yes.  good, no.
[03:11] <daniels> actually, no, a hojillion security bugs.
[03:12] <seb128> it "just hangs" due to inotify too
[03:13] <theine> I'd just like to have a stock Ubuntu kernel with the newest ipw2100 patch...
[03:13] <Kamion> wait for breezy to start up
[03:13] <theine> Kamion: approximately when will that be by the way?
[03:14] <Kamion> dunno
[03:14] <Kamion> soon
[03:14] <theine> ok
[03:14] <Kamion> the suite exists in the archive, but the cron jobs aren't running yet
[03:14] <daniels> Kamion: the otherusplash author -- 23:13 < Goshawk> is there Colin Watson here?
[03:14] <daniels> Kamion: (#ubuntu)
[03:14] <Kamion> daniels: he should reply on the mailing list
[03:14] <daniels> Kamion: too late, someone already sent him here
[03:14] <Goshawk> daniels, i started developing it when usplash was just a word
[03:15] <Goshawk> now there is a lot of confusion on that
[03:15] <Goshawk> Kamion, ok i'll reply there
[03:15] <Kamion> publish it as some other name if you want, you can rename it later
[03:15] <Kamion> or whatever
[03:15] <jnc> i think bug #6762 needs the title to be fixed, it does not accurately reflect what the problem is perhaps
[03:15] <Kamion> but this "I can't publish a newer version because you haven't given me permission to use the name" is just blah :)
[03:16] <bob2> I like the way gdmgreeter idles at 10% cpu time while there's no monitor plugged in
[03:16] <Goshawk> Kamion, it sounds not natural but it is like i said
[03:16] <Kamion> jnc: log in and change it, then
[03:16] <Kamion> Goshawk: if you published an older version, you can update that
[03:16] <daniels> bob2: cute
[03:16] <jnc> Kamion: i didn't submit it, you can change any bug's title?
[03:16] <Kamion> jnc: yes
[03:16] <jnc> ah okay.  i misunderstood
[03:16] <jnc> it is not so simple in gentoo'
[03:17] <Kamion> Goshawk: but you appear to be expecting us to make a decision about code you have not published
[03:17] <Goshawk> ok.. so i'll relase usplash-0.1 
[03:18] <Kamion> note for future reference that I did not say "usplash-0.1"
[03:18] <Goshawk> Kamion, i asked consensus since the usplash word appaired in the ubuntu wiki first
[03:18] <Kamion> I think some other name would probably be better for now, to avoid confusion as you say
[03:19] <Kamion> but the code needs to be published if you want us to make a decision on it at UDU
[03:19] <jnc> Kamion: done. thank you :)
[03:19] <Goshawk> Kamion, the code is in the svn right now
[03:19] <Goshawk> it's thre from the beginning
[03:19] <Kamion> is that linked to from the wiki?
[03:20] <Goshawk> Kamion, yes.. but i have not placed the link there
[03:20] <Kamion> Goshawk: in that case I don't understand why you don't direct users there, rather than saying "the version you're running is obsolete, but I can't release the new version"?
[03:20] <Goshawk> since it works different from the specification of the ubuntu wiki
[03:20] <Kamion> why?
[03:21] <Kamion> the specification there was written with a great deal of care
[03:21] <Goshawk> Kaloz, yes.. but really it's hard to implement and resource loseless
[03:21] <Goshawk> excuse.. not loseless
[03:21] <Kamion> ok, if it doesn't follow that specification or similar and you're not willing to work on the specification, then I think yours should be called something other than 'usplash'
[03:22] <Goshawk> but it uses a lot of cpu
[03:22] <lemsx1|atwork> Kamion, I have reviewed the code of the usplash project Goshawk is talking about and I can say is really clean and easy to include the features needed to match the specifications asked for in the Wiki
[03:22] <Kamion> guys, lots of code that is not called 'usplash' is clean
[03:22] <Goshawk> the ubuntu wiki talk of many programs that use intensively cpu
[03:23] <Kamion> I'm not saying *anything* about cleanliness, good code, or whatever
[03:23] <Kamion> but if you implement something totally different to an existing specification, I think you should call it something else
[03:23] <lemsx1|atwork> Kamion, don't get me wrong, there is nothing magical about the word "usplash" per se... so I see no reason why not to name this project differently
[03:23] <Kamion> that wouldn't mean that it couldn't be the version used in Ubuntu, if things turn out that way
[03:23] <Kamion> but it sounds like it's just not a good idea to call it usplash
[03:24] <Goshawk> Kamion, you are right
[03:24] <Kamion> names are cheap :)
[03:25] <lemsx1|atwork> indeed... 
[03:25] <lemsx1|atwork> Goshawk, I think we should go ahead and release the code as a different name. something original. and tell the KDE people and whoever is working on themes to use the new name
[03:25] <daniels> jbailey: word
[03:26] <daniels> jbailey: (my hacked radeon_drv only tied *one* line down, not both)
[03:26] <lemsx1|atwork> Kamion, thanks for your time
[03:26] <Goshawk> lemsx1|atwork, of course
[03:26] <Goshawk> Kamion, thanks
[03:28] <lemsx1|atwork> in general, if anybody wants to help, please join us at #debsplash. we are working on packaging the libraries (which is done, but we are working the details so that it works seamless with all distros)
[03:30] <jdub> fabbione: rad!
[03:31] <daniels> jdub: itym GREAT ODIN'S RAVEN
[03:32] <SlackShrike> thanks
[03:33] <fabbione> seb128: patches are welcome :)
[04:01] <zul> http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
[04:06] <mako> ~
[04:58] <mdz> smurfix,pitti: I already mailed admins about the UDU wiki mail issue
[04:58] <pitti> Morning mdz
[04:58] <mdz> morning
[04:58] <pitti> ah, thanks
[04:59] <seb128> hi mdz 
[04:59] <mvo> morning mdz 
[05:02] <fabbione> morning mdz
[05:03] <zul> hey mdz 
[05:11] <mdz> doko,jbailey: I'd like to speak with you two about the toolchain changes you plan for breezy, in order to set a schedule for opening breezy for general uploads
[05:12] <jbailey> mdz: Yup.  I have a glibc-2.3.5 package mostly finished.  I've been testing nptl stuff on ppc and trying solicit some opinions from folks on default threading libraries.
[05:12] <jbailey> mdz: Lemme find the wiki node where doko and I have been wokring.
[05:12] <jbailey> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[05:14] <mdz> ok, so the plan is to stay with current gcc until after UDU?
[05:15] <mdz> and presumably you would like to upload glibc before we sync+merge from Debian?
[05:15] <doko> we can maybe switch earlier, but let's decouple the new glibc and the gcc-4.0 uploads by some days or a week.
[05:15] <jbailey> mdz: Right, although a test rebuild of the entire archive might prove it just as well.
[05:16] <jbailey> mdz: lamont told me that's generally about 3 days of buildd time.
[05:16] <mdz> jbailey: yes, the builds are fast, but in the past it has taken some time to get the archive+buildd infrastructure set up
[05:16] <mdz> and that would need to be done again for breezy
[05:16] <doko> jbailey: did talk with lamont yesterday, we want to sort that out today
[05:16] <mdz> so there is significant benefit to getting the build tests "for free"
[05:16] <jbailey> gcc-4 just went prerelease, so it's getting close to the right space, too.
[05:17] <jbailey> We need to sort out the c++ transition and how to cope with it.
[05:18] <jbailey> At least none of our arch's require serious work beyond that.  Debian's bump won't be fun.
[05:20] <doko> jbailey: what about linuxthreads/nptl, which one do we want to make the default?
[05:21] <pitti> elmo: ping
[05:21] <Robot101> hmm
[05:21] <jbailey> doko: It varies per arch.  I'm testing an nptl-only ppc glibc right now.  amd64 is already nptl only.  i386 is the hard one.  FC4 still ship the linuxthread headers by default, and it's the place with the biggest risk of breakage.
[05:21] <Robot101> libmad0 is in hoary/main but gstreamer0.8-mad isn't? license problem?
[05:22] <jbailey> I'm least worried about i386 in its present config though.  It has the advantage that we're less likely to find out a month after a change that something's broken horribly. =(
[05:25] <fabbione> mjg59: crack is on the way soon :)
[05:26] <fabbione> mjg59: linux-image-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.11.90-1_i386.deb <-
[05:26] <fabbione> pitti: i think all the uploads are still manually approved
[05:27] <pitti> uh, ok
[05:27] <fabbione> pitti: i didn't get a single ack for days uploading sparc binaries
[05:27] <fabbione> anywa... cya tomorrow
[05:27] <pitti> bye, fabbione 
[05:31] <lamont> night fabbione 
[05:33] <mdz> Robot101: the only component whose category is based on licensing is multiverse
[05:34] <mdz> Robot101: main and universe are all free software
[05:34] <Kamion> oh, so breezy won't open until the toolchain is ready?
[05:34] <Kamion> do we expect to open before UDU?
[05:35] <mdz> Kamion: that's what we're trying to establish now
[05:35] <Kamion> 'k
[05:35] <mdz> the transition says upload by April 13th
[05:36] <mdz> (glibc)
[05:36] <mdz> I suppose we'll need to do a test rebuild in any case, really
[05:36] <bob2> NPTL on ppc?
[05:38] <Kamion> yeah, upstream has supported that for ages
[05:40] <jbailey> bob2: There are no testsuite failures.
[05:41] <jbailey> bob2: Most of Debian's arch's can't make that clain on linuxthreads ;)
[05:41] <bob2> hehehe
[05:41] <bob2> yay
[05:59] <maswan> aj: us.cdimage has "53,659 iso's", which is "a uniq count of host/iso name"
[05:59] <maswan> aj: ehm. us.releases, right, ubuntu, not debian here. :)
[06:02] <kent> http://poetry.rotten.com/weightlifter/   usch usch
[06:02] <kent> oh, sorry. wrong channel. sorry for the spam :(
[06:03] <GheRivero> res
[06:03] <aj> maswan: what's that mean? served that many isos?
[06:04] <maswan> aj: yeah
[06:05] <maswan> aj: some of those might be partial though
[06:07] <maswan> aj: his bytecounting stats stuff seems broken, it claimed ammounts of data that would require an average of 3.6Gbit/s during a whole day, that's the reason for the odd form of stats
[06:08] <pitti> Kamion: I was asked by a friend (modem only) to build a set of Hoary universe DVDs for him. You use debian-cd for this, right?
[06:08] <Robot101> mdz: so why is gstreamer0.8-mad not in main? that means rhythmbox can't play MP3s, but the actual mp3 decoder (libmad0) is shippped in main.
[06:09] <pitti> It looks like libmad0 should go to universe then
[06:09] <mdz> let's not discuss this here
[06:12] <lamont> pitti: sudo mkisofs -r -V 'Ubuntu 5.04 i386 Custom' -o hoary-custom-i386.iso -cache-inodes -J -l -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table dir/
[06:12] <lamont> after you unpack the existing dvd iso into dir/ and make edits...
[06:12] <Kamion> pitti: yes
[06:12] <lamont> with signed archives, it's easier to just drop a second repository with universe in it under say, universe/
[06:13] <Kamion> pitti: baz get colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0 cdimage && cd cdimage && baz build-config configs/devel
[06:13] <Kamion> I would not advocate doing it by hand, to be honest, not for something as big as adding universe; you'd end up reinventing half of debian-cd
[06:14] <pitti> Kamion: ah, thanks, I look into your repo then
[06:14] <pitti> I think universe DVDs could be of interest to other people as well
[06:15] <lamont> Kamion: the one I abused into place consisted only of adding {dists,pool} from a mirror into /extras in the tree...
[06:15] <lamont> pitti: of course they would.  Note that shipping universe debs puts them in the same category (support wise) as main, at least from the consumer view point...
[06:16] <pitti> lamont: well, at least my friend knows the difference, but he wants the DVDs before he actually switches from SuSE :-)
[06:16] <lamont> yeah
[06:16] <pitti> lamont: it's a pain for him to even download the apt lists
[06:17] <lamont> doesn't have all of universe, but does have everything in my mirror
[06:17] <Kamion> lamont: you can put them on DVDs but not enable those components by default - they'd go in pool/universe/ etc.
[06:18] <lamont> Kamion: true
[06:18] <lamont> Kamion: I was just talking user perception - "it's on the CD --> supported"
[06:19] <Kamion> yeah
[06:19] <lamont> hence I'm always make sure that anyone getting one of my custom ones (a) is capable of understanding and (b) understands the difference... :0)
[06:27] <mdz> mjg59: a friend pointed out today that IBM has a semi-automatic update feed which includes BIOS upgrades, I wonder if we could hook into that
[06:36] <lamont> hrm...  time to actually reboot and run the current kernel, I think...  brb
[06:47] <mako> koke: dude...
[06:47] <koke> hi all!
[06:47] <mako> good timing.. i tried to message you like 10 seconds ago
[06:47] <koke> hehe :)
[06:47] <koke> tell me
[06:51] <seb128> mdz: I'm not sure to follow the discussion about gnome-cd on the list, it does use cdparanoia ... seems you saying it doesn't ?
[06:53] <mdz> seb128: it does?  I thought it played it with the CD player
[06:53] <mdz> is that new?
[06:53] <seb128> 2.8 was using the CD player
[06:53] <seb128> 2.10 uses cdparanoia
[06:54] <mdz> I see
[06:54] <mdz> it uses it unconditionally?
[06:54] <seb128> right
[06:54] <mdz> I don't think I've played a CD under 2.10 ;-)
[06:54] <mdz> seb128: please correct me on the list
[06:54] <seb128> k
[06:56] <seb128> mdz: about #8938, that's an hoary installation. Apparently the sound works just after the installation, but not on the next module ... could it be than the modules loaded are not the same ?
[06:56] <seb128> mdz: the guy has just restarted to get the dmesg output 
[06:56] <mdz> seb128: it doesn't make sense; the same modules would be loaded every boot (and I can see from lsmod that the right module is loaded)
[06:56] <Zomb> hi
[06:57] <Zomb> has anyone a hint why getpwent in Perl/adduser is so slow on Ubuntu?
[06:57] <seb128> mdz: the same modules are loaded every boot, the sound doesn't work ... it just worked after the installer boot apparently
[06:57] <Zomb> it seems to get ~5 entries/sec
[06:58] <Zomb> so I can wait till tomorrow for a normal adduser call
[07:01] <pitti> hehe
[07:01] <pitti> watch out world -- the derooter is back
[07:01] <Zomb> it seems to reread the password file for every getpwent call
[07:02] <lamont> pitti: go! go! go!!!!
[07:02] <pitti> lamont: dhcpd this time :-)
[07:02] <lamont> pitti: dhcpd3, you mean?
[07:02] <pitti> yeah, of course
[07:02] <pitti> dhcp3d, to be exact :-)
[07:03] <pitti> oh, no, dhcpd3
[07:07] <mdz> lamont: is #7937 still a problem?
[07:07] <mdz> Zomb: I know of no reason why that would be so
[07:07] <mdz> Zomb: unless it uses grep(1) internally perhaps
[07:10] <doko> lamont: proposal at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[07:11] <Zomb> mdz: it seems to be the libc, it rereads the shadow file again and again
[07:11] <Zomb> there is no such problem on Sid
[07:12] <Zomb> the order of users is not sorted (root is not first), this is the only suspicious thing. But it should not hit the performance that much.
[07:12] <koke> see you, leaving now
[07:13] <mdz> Zomb: you can read the diff between our libc and Debian's; I can't think of any reason for that to be different
[07:13] <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/glibc/
[07:14] <Zomb> ok
[07:14] <mdz> I don't think it's glibc itself; the cause is likely some other difference
[07:15] <lamont> doko: shouldn'
[07:15] <lamont> doko: shouldn't call it build-essential_11 - > version collision with debian
[07:18] <lamont> mdz: 7937: dunno, can't test
[07:18] <lamont> (ENOARCHIVE)
[07:19] <lamont> mdz: I do know that hppa has the same issue with final-hoary bits
[07:20] <Zomb> mdz: sorry, just tested, same crap on normal Debian system with a really large shadow file
[07:21] <doko> lamont: let's talk to the maintainer and propose a new major number for the transition. maybe it's possible to sync that version between etch and breezy
[07:21] <lamont> doko: that would be the way to go
[07:24] <lamont> doko: still, he should upload _11 to experimental or something... :-)
[07:25] <mako> carlos: actually, over here is better
[07:26] <carlos> ok
[07:26] <mako> can you give me a good translation the paragraph under my picture that compares me to the devil in person? :) http://sadistic-nature.blogspot.com/2005/04/manizales-en-75-tragos.html 
[07:26] <mako> i don't know what a duro is
[07:27] <carlos> mako: duro == hard
[07:27] <mako> ok, i knew that, but i can't understand it in that context
[07:28] <carlos> mako: ok, I just saw it, it's not that meaning there
[07:28] <mdke> must mean god surely
[07:29] <mako> is this colombian spanish? :)
[07:29] <carlos> mako: yes, it is :-)
[07:29] <mako> bacano.. 
[07:29] <carlos> let me think a bit the translation...
[07:29] <mako> i can go try to find a colombia :)
[07:31] <carlos> I think I get the meaning but I'm not able to find a good translation for it...
[07:34] <mdz> mako: I just added a blurb to mailman about the code of conduct for ubuntu-users, so that new subscribers are notified of it.  can you check that I did it properly, and improve the text if you think it could be better?
[07:34] <mako> mdz: actually, i don't have an account on the mailman machine
[07:35] <mako> mdz: i am only a web-moderator for the lists
[07:35] <mdz> mako: you're listed as a moderator in the web interfdace
[07:35] <mako> oh, just in the web interface
[07:35] <mako> right, sure
[07:35] <mdz> mako: I made the change through the web interface
[07:35] <mako> cool, i'll check
[07:36] <mdz> mako: we should probably do the same for the other lists, with standard text
[07:37] <mako> i agree
[07:38] <mdke> thats a cool idea
[07:46] <remi`> hi everyone
[07:47] <remi`> i'm having troubles with update-notifier on ia64
[07:47] <remi`> does anyone have a minute to spare?
[07:47] <mjg59> Oh, argh, bootsplash things using vesafb
[07:47] <mjg59> (NO NO NO)
[07:48] <mvo> remi`: I'm about to leave, can you talk to me about it later (in ~2h)
[07:48] <mvo> remi`: or send it by mail?
[07:48] <remi`> sure
[07:48] <remi`> what's your email?
[07:49] <Lathiat> mjg59: whats the alternative?
[07:52] <mxpxpod> mjg59: does usplash use vesa?
[07:56] <Lathiat> as far as im aware, usplash doesn't actually exist yet
[07:56] <Lathiat> someone pointed out a new project (debsplash i think) on u-d@lists.u.c as a possible project to use
[07:58] <mxpxpod> Lathiat: ah, ok
[07:58] <tritium> Lathiat, usplash exists: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[07:59] <kent> Lathiat, im using it on my Ubuntu Hoary and it works for me, but thats not the same as to say it will work for any one else..  :)  But its very nice with a graphical boot. :)
[07:59] <mxpxpod> kent: i386?
[08:02] <kent> mxpxpod, yes. But i guess i cant turn every one else into that platform overnight,  so it might not be a good id for other platforms,  right? Or do the vesa-thing work on other platforms?
[08:02] <mxpxpod> kent: vesa doesn't work on ppc
[08:03] <kent> mxpxpod, thats ok. Just tell them I'm willing to switch my i386 for a ppc if they complain ;)
[08:03] <mxpxpod> kent: haha
[08:03] <mxpxpod> kent: does usplash use vesa?
[08:04] <kent> mxpxpod, well, i cant tell realy. But some one hear said that before. It uses framebuffer of some sort.. i think. Since it depended on a fb-library.. (if i remember correctly)
[08:04] <mxpxpod> alright
[08:04] <mxpxpod> gotta get back to work
[08:05] <mx|gone> kent: where are the .debs for it?
[08:06] <kent> mx|gone, http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork
[08:06] <ogra> hey hey hey.....
[08:06] <mx|gone> dang... no source pkgs
[08:06] <ogra> hwdb Submissions Total: 10017
[08:06] <ogra> :-D
[08:06] <mdke> :)
[08:06] <mdke> nice
[08:06] <ogra> yeah
[08:09] <kent> wow, more than 10k reports. That cool.  Could the hwdb be used to, for example, filter which brand of graphicard is mostly used, etc? it would be interesting to get some statistic of what hardware people use..
[08:10] <ogra> kent, it will be used for this, yes...as soon as we have the data in a searchable DB
[08:11] <Lathiat> well look at that
[08:11] <Lathiat> it does work
[08:11] <Lathiat> my only complaint is that it takes far too long to bring up the splash
[08:11] <Lathiat> and i see a bit of text before X starts
[08:11] <Lathiat> but not bad, seems to work...
[08:12] <Lathiat> it'd be cool in future to make the progressbar animated like the clearlooks stuff, gives the user a better feeling of the system actually doing something
[08:13] <kent> Lathiat, he said (Goshawk) that there is a newer package somewhere (dont know why he didn't publish it) that also has animated progressbar (if i remember correctly) and aswell usplash working on shutdown-process..  The new version should use configuration from /etc/ and some other things.
[08:13] <Lathiat> hey cool
[08:13] <Lathiat> looking good
[08:14] <Lathiat> i love projects that work
[08:14] <Lathiat> the biggest thing is that X didn't cry when the nvidia binary drivers stated
[08:14] <Lathiat> i was so waiting for that to happen :)
[08:14] <Goshawk> kent, ?
[08:14] <Goshawk> kent, yes.. we are relasing it in another name
[08:14] <Goshawk> kent, it will be called splashy
[08:14] <Lathiat> nice :)
[08:15] <Lathiat> Goshawk: got a beta package i could try out?
[08:15] <Lathiat> im impressed...
[08:15] <wasabi_> i always wondered why we just didn't start X first thing.
[08:15] <kent> Goshawk, yes. Did i get it right? I meen, i thought i remember something about a new configuration in /etc/ etc, but your the expert :)
[08:15] <Goshawk> wasabi, i studied that
[08:15] <Goshawk> wasabi, and it can't be done
[08:15] <Lathiat> wasabi_: slow, migh tnot have various libraries or modules loaded ?
[08:15] <Lathiat> Goshawk: why, specifically ?
[08:15] <Lathiat> it could also be an issue with mounting filesystems
[08:16] <Lathiat> if its a network share or something
[08:16] <Goshawk> wasabi, X needs a lot of dependencies that are solved when the system boots and for now, X is the first daemon that is started
[08:16] <sladen> mx|gone: vesa is i386 only.  usplash (or similar packages written by other people) just want a framebuffer---on PPC that is always there and works out of the box
[08:16] <Lathiat> Goshawk: can't give me any beta love? :)
[08:16] <Goshawk> Lathiat, not yet
[08:17] <Lathiat> bah :P
[08:17] <Goshawk> Lathiat, we are moving t alioth and a relase will be relased soon
[08:17] <Lathiat> cool
[08:17] <wasabi_> what about, for instance, my nvidia card.
[08:17] <Goshawk> (less than a week)
[08:17] <wasabi_> When you turn on the framebuffer, it breaks X
[08:17] <Goshawk> phone
[08:17] <lemsx1|atwork> Lathiat, try my old packages http://www.kiskeyix.org/debian/downloads
[08:17] <Goshawk> wasabi, no... 
[08:17] <lemsx1|atwork> Lathiat, if your system breaks, you get to keep both pieces :-D
[08:17] <Lathiat> lemsx1|atwork: i just got one out of the phpwiki
[08:17] <Lathiat> that seems to work...
[08:17] <Lathiat> or is this one newer?
[08:17] <mjg59> Goshawk: The only framebuffer that's going to be usable on laptops is vga16fb
[08:18] <Goshawk> wasabi, try setting vga=792 on your grub configuration file at the "kernel" line
[08:18] <mjg59> At the moment, vga16fb seems to make the code very unhappy...
[08:18] <lemsx1|atwork> Lathiat, newer, but the same code
[08:18] <Lathiat> i passed video=795
[08:18] <Lathiat> and it just worked
[08:18] <Lathiat> fucked if i know what it did?
[08:18] <lemsx1|atwork> Lathiat, not much changes.. just compiled with gcc-3.4 (g++-3.4)
[08:18] <Goshawk> mjg59, my work uses every framebuffer
[08:18] <wasabi_> Goshawk, what's that do? I mean, when I enable the framebuffer, X works fine...
[08:18] <wasabi_> but I can never LEAVE X.
[08:18] <wasabi_> If I do, I get no video signal.
[08:18] <mjg59> Goshawk: The stuff in subversion? No, it doesn't work with vga16fb
[08:18] <Goshawk> wasabi, it's ok so
[08:19] <lemsx1|atwork> bbl
[08:19] <Lathiat> wasabi_: works fine here, depends on the laptop i guess...
[08:19] <Goshawk> mjg59, you have to set a minor resolution and remember
[08:19] <Goshawk> it's only a 0.1 relase
[08:19] <wasabi_> Lathiat, it's not a laptop.
[08:19] <mjg59> Goshawk: No, vga16fb only works in one resolution
[08:19] <Goshawk> done in less than a month
[08:19] <Lathiat> wasabi_: interesting, what X driver?
[08:19] <wasabi_> Just my desktop. The nvidia binary drivers Really Suck.
[08:19] <Lathiat> wasabi_: tried the latest ones?
[08:19] <wasabi_> Yeah.
[08:19] <Lathiat> wasabi_: i had that problem after suspending
[08:19] <Lathiat> fixed in the last 2
[08:20] <wasabi_> It's like, when I hit Shut Down... I do it blind.
[08:20] <Goshawk> mjg59, i'll investigate
[08:20] <Lathiat> as is power management in general
[08:20] <wasabi_> Because I can never see the console.
[08:20] <Lathiat> wasabi_: weird
[08:20] <Lathiat> sux2bu, use the open sauce dirver :)
[08:20] <Lathiat> and don't play games, its bad for work :)
[08:20] <mjg59> Goshawk: For vga16fb to work, you need not to pass a vga= argument to the bootloader
[08:20] <wasabi_> haha
[08:20] <Goshawk> mjg59, it's exactly what i do with my program
[08:21] <Goshawk> at install time it matches the vesa modes with the xorg configuration
[08:21] <Goshawk> and set the proper vga=
[08:21] <mjg59> Goshawk: Right. That's not acceptable on laptops.
[08:21] <mjg59> Suspend and resume won't work otherwise.
[08:21] <Lathiat> mjg59: more correctly, thats not acceptable on *some* laptops
[08:21] <mjg59> Lathiat: Well, most
[08:21] <Lathiat> worked on the last 2 laptops i had *shrug*
[08:21] <Lathiat> but to the point
[08:21] <Lathiat> if it breaks on some
[08:21] <mjg59> The only framebuffer with decent suspend/resume support is atyfb
[08:21] <Lathiat> it might as well break on all
[08:21] <Goshawk> mjg59, ok.. we will think about that in the futer version
[08:22] <Goshawk> mjg59, and how do you enable the framebuffer in those laptops?
[08:22] <Lathiat> because the odds are, you can't detect if it does or doesn't work
[08:22] <mjg59> Goshawk: You load vga16fb on boot
[08:22] <Goshawk> mjg59, how?
[08:22] <Lathiat> Goshawk: also, my Xorg mode is 1680x1050
[08:22] <mjg59> Goshawk: That's the distribution's problem to solve :)
[08:22] <Lathiat> theres no fb mode for that :)
[08:23] <Lathiat> well, not as far as i know
[08:23] <Goshawk> Lathiat, no.. it matches resolution.. don't get the default
[08:23] <Lathiat> be nice if there was
[08:23] <mjg59> Goshawk: Your code should just deal with a framebuffer that has any resolution and colour depth, then let the distribution set up the framebuffer
[08:23] <Lathiat> Goshawk: eh?
[08:23] <Goshawk> Lathiat, if your card support upper to 1024*768 1024*768 is set
[08:23] <Lathiat> Goshawk: oh right
[08:23] <Lathiat> be nice if you could make a widescreen framebuffer
[08:23] <Lathiat> stretched screen looks crap
[08:24] <Goshawk> i've to go
[08:24] <mjg59> Lathiat: It ought to be possible with the accelerated framebuffers
[08:24] <Lathiat> Goshawk: vga=795 (1680x1050) works btw
[08:24] <Lathiat> mjg59: well i have an nvidia
[08:24] <Lathiat> mj	rivafb + binary drivers = bad :)
[08:24] <Lathiat> s/1680x1050/1280x1024
[08:24] <Goshawk> Lathiat, if a framebuffer is active, spashy will work
[08:25] <Lathiat> Goshawk: anyway, good work, keep it up and make it rock :)
[08:25] <Goshawk> ok.. see you guys.. and remember splashy can be installed on every linux system (not only ubuntu)
[08:25] <Goshawk> bye people
[08:26] <mdz> Kamion: ok, I have your debzilla changes available now
[08:26] <mjg59> Ok, DirectFB::Create() fails
[08:26] <mjg59> That's an impressively bad sign
[08:26] <mdz> Kamion: but why is it that the behaviour seems to change for version 2, while version 3 would behave the same as version 2 does today?
[08:30] <mjg59> Ah. vga16fb isn't currently supported by directfb, it seems
[08:30] <mjg59> Which is something of an issue
[08:31] <mdz> yes, I imagine it is
[08:32] <kent> Lathiat, i have a nvidia (tnt2) and it works for me even though i use the nvidia binary driver from Hoary,
[08:36] <Kamion> mdz: the previous *handling* of version 2 was broken, but the on-disk version 2 format remains the same
[08:36] <Kamion> mdz: so, two separate things:
[08:36] <mdz> Kamion: ok, if that much is correct, then it looks fine to me
[08:37] <Kamion> mdz: (1) fix the handling of RFC2047-encoded metadata
[08:37] <Kamion> mdz: (2) declare that metadata in format version 2 is encoded RFC2047-style, while, for efficiency, metadata in format version 3 will be decoded into UTF-8 once, and stored that way in the file
[08:40] <mdz> Kamion: I've branched the breezy seeds, if there's anything you're ready to change
[08:40] <Kamion> mdz: I already branched the breezy seeds?
[08:40] <mdz> in that case, "uh oh"
[08:41] <Kamion> cjwatson@chinstrap:/home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--breezy/seeds--breezy--0$ cat base-0/CONTINUATION; echo
[08:41] <Kamion> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--hoary--0--patch-220
[08:41] <Kamion> cjwatson@chinstrap:/home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--breezy/seeds--breezy--0$ cat patch-1/CONTINUATION; echo
[08:41] <Kamion> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--hoary--0--patch-219
[08:41] <Kamion> we are in weirdness territory
[08:41] <Kamion> should I just nuke that archive, start again, and run away from lifeless?
[08:42] <mdz> let's
[08:42] <mdz> I don't think baz should have let me do that
[08:43] <Mithrandir> baz also lets you branch a branch on top of itself
[08:43] <Mithrandir> which is kinda weird.
[08:46] <mdz> Kamion: I had to nuke my revision library, but otherwise it seems happy now
[08:46] <Kamion> mdz: right, I just nuked and rebranched, you should be able to commit now?
[08:47] <Kamion> though I got a weird 'Unable to connect to target archive ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com' - but I just upgraded to baz 1.3, and the archive seems fine
[08:48] <mdz> Kamion: as soon as it finishes downloading the 200 or so patches, I expect to be able to, yes
[08:48] <Kamion> mdz: I don't think I have any seed changes until we start the big merge
[08:48] <Kamion> baz 1.3 claims to be better in that regard
[09:01] <mdz> Kamion: hmm, spoke too soon
[09:01] <mdz> Kamion: I can't commit to it now
[09:01] <mdz> commit: tree is not up-to-date (missing latest revision is ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--breezy--0--base-0)
[09:01] <mdz> update says: * tree is already up to date
[09:01] <mdz> baz get said earlier:
[09:01] <mdz> * from revision library: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--breezy--0--base-0
[09:01] <mdz> * tree version set ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--breezy--0
[09:04] <mdz> I think we may be in a bad place
[09:05] <mdz> Kamion: did you by any chance backup the archive?
[09:06] <Mithrandir> can't you just delete the commits from the archive?
[09:06] <Mithrandir> as long as you two are the only ones who have it checked out, that should be fine
[09:06] <mdz> Mithrandir: not since the whole tree has been deleted
[09:10] <mdz> the patch log for base-0 is in my tree; I don't know what's wrong
[09:10] <mdz> Kamion: can you reproduce?
[09:17] <mdz> aha, baz created ~/.arch-cache behind my back
[09:17] <mdz> that was the problem
[09:17] <mdz> what is the difference between a cache and a revision library?
[09:34] <Treenaks> (hm, planet.ubuntulinux breaks on kinnison's blog)
[09:37] <mdz> Treenaks: tell keybuk/jdub
[10:41] <Mithrandir> where has all the ia64 debs gone?
[10:42] <pitti> mdz: I uploaded some warty-security updates for universe today, can you please approve them=
[10:42] <pitti> s/=/?/
[10:44] <mdz> pitti: warty-security shouldn't require approval; does it?
[10:44] <pitti> mdz: I don't know
[10:44] <pitti> mdz: all I can say is that I uploaded them and they just vanished
[10:44] <mdz> pitti: you ambered them, and they didn't go through?
[10:44] <pitti> mdz: no, they did not even appear in the accepted queue
[10:44] <pitti> mdz: and I did not get a REJECT mail either
[10:45] <mdz> pitti: you'll have to ask elmo about that
[10:45] <mdz> I have no idea
[10:45] <pitti> mdz: fabbione suggested that they might be subject to approval from you
[10:45] <mdz> things pending approval show up in accepted
[10:45] <pitti> mdz: okay, thanks
[10:45] <pitti> mdz: I pinged elmo today, is he away currently?
[10:45] <mdz> pitti: I haven't seen him today; I don't know
[10:45] <pitti> ok, I try to reach him
[10:46] <pitti> mdz: I have to do some main security updates, too
[10:46] <mdz> pitti: did you check accepted/REPORT?
[10:46] <mdz> pitti: what are the .changes that you uploaded?
[10:46] <pitti> mdz: yeah, no sign of anything
[10:47] <mdz> pitti: can you send me a list?
[10:47] <pitti> mdz: gbatnav_1.0.4-2ubuntu0.1, gtkhtml_1.0.4-5.1ubuntu1.1, mailreader_2.3.29-7ubuntu0.1, rxvt_2.6.4-6ubuntu0.1_source
[10:47] <pitti> pitti@jackass:/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/queue/accepted $ grep gtkhtml_1.0.4-5.1ubuntu1.1 REPORT
[10:47] <pitti> pitti@jackass:/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/queue/accepted $
[10:48] <pitti> pitti@jackass:/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/queue $ grep gtkhtml_1.0.4-5.1ubuntu1.1 REPORT
[10:48] <pitti> pitti@jackass:/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/queue $
[10:48] <mdz> pitti: it's waiting in queue/unchecked
[10:48] <mdz> possibly elmo disabled the cron job?
[10:49] <pitti> mdz: I don't have permission to look into unchecked, so I didn't see them there; thanks for cehcking
[11:03] <Kamion> mdz: the cron jobs are disabled, indeed
[11:03] <Kamion> mdz: glad you got the seeds thing sorted out; I was away
[11:03] <pitti> night mvo
[11:03] <Kamion> mdz: the cache is for ancestry calculation, AFAIK
[11:14] <Kamion> "Upgrading from older releases or other distributions is not supported"
[11:14] <Kamion> Upgrading from older releases or other distributions is not supported
[11:14] <Kamion> oops
[11:14] <Kamion> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[11:14] <Kamion> who wrote that upgrading from older releases is not supported? that's ridiculous
[11:15] <Kamion> and appallingly misleading
[11:24] <mdz> Kamion: there should be a referent there
[11:24] <mdz> as in, "older than Ubuntu 4.10"
[11:25] <mdz> not that there are any
[11:25] <pitti> did anybody try a woody->hoary upgrade?
[11:25] <pitti> this is the only additional path I can imagine
[11:25] <mdz> pitti: yes, it doesn't work
[11:25] <mdz> and we do not support it
[11:25] <pitti> makes sense
[11:25] <pitti> however, woody->warty->hoary should reasonably work
[11:25] <mdz> Zomb tried it and reported a bug
[11:26] <mdz> right
[11:26] <pitti> so it's just like with Debian, no upgrade with skipping releases
[11:26] <mdz> ah, the referent in that sentence is woody
[11:26] <mdz> I'll fix it up, at any rate
[11:27] <mdz> corrected
[11:28] <rubenv> goodevening everybody
[11:28] <pitti> Hi rubenv 
[11:28] <rubenv> I'm just looking over the breezy goals, any plans for async network on boot?
[11:28] <rubenv> or is that a too big structural change?
[11:29] <rubenv> (as we basically need to make the whole boot async then, or some hackish stuff)
[11:34] <mxpxpod> mjg59: ping
[11:55] <koke> hey, whois the webmaster for UDU wiki??
[11:55] <koke> InterWiki links for Ubuntu wiki would be great! :D
[12:00] <mdke> koke, i think mdz is in charge of it but not sure
[12:00] <Kamion> I wonder if I'm more inclined to produce awful hacks, or just more inclined to own up to the ones I do ;)