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[12:32] blahrus: let's take this to #ubuntu [12:32] alright not a problem, just wanted to check here first === stuNNed [~stuNNed@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === redissexy [~redissexy@201009184119.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netdur [~adel@adsl-217-43-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] in case you don't know, very interesting "My first 48 hours enduring Ubuntu 5.04" to read http://mpt.net.nz [12:38] hehe [12:38] thanks for Ubuntu [12:38] yeah [12:38] the blogging community agrees that the most interesting difference between Ubuntu and FC3 is the default theme [12:41] yuck [12:41] Clicking once in the address field does not do what people want 99 percent of the time, which is selecting the address so it can be replaced by typing a new one. [12:41] (firefox) [12:41] mdz: or a hugely noticable speed increase [12:41] i despise that behavior [12:41] mdz: or a lack of poor branding [12:42] fc3 is a bit painful [12:42] omg [12:42] dilinger: you can turn on that damage if you want it [12:42] gotta love tiger woods [12:42] how is tiger woods on topic? [12:42] c'mon man [12:43] sorry to have taken up your bandwidth [12:43] firefox still has native UI and not GNOMEish icons and stuff, right? [12:44] or did I miss installing a package? [12:44] nope [12:44] its the native theme [12:44] I suggest installing the industrial firefox theme anyway [12:44] its much nicer. [12:45] what happend with the gnome firefox theme, i liked it :p === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] I wonder why he just picked on the Home icon and not flamed for inconsistent UI === blahrus [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] the deafault gnome icons have nothing to do in an app like firefox [12:51] minus an a [12:52] an app like firefox has nothing to do in a default gnome desktop, rather :P === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blahrus [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spiv [~andrew@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] mozilla developers confurmed to me, that mozilla suite (seamonkey next) will uses icons theme as any other gtk/gnome app, moving to gtk+, actually mozilla 1.8 already uses native gtk+ 2.6 file dialogs... sadly mozilla suite die, still better than firefox === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-38-225.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kro [~user@krovich.dsl2.d-mgtn.labyrinth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] netdur: why do you say that? [01:11] I'm just a bit sad that Composer development has been limited to Nvu === blahrus [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] robertj, friefox still freeze few seconds here [01:13] mdz: that did fix the bug issue of 8696 [01:14] blahrus: thanks, please mark it as a duplicate then [01:15] mdz: done [01:16] thanks [01:17] crimsun: you around? sorry I was jumping off and on === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] er... sorry to ask!!! is there any plan to do ubunu with bsd kernel!? [01:29] nope. [01:30] feel free to start one. === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] netdur: there are some projects to do debian with a bsd kernel. you might want to check those out === mkde [~matt@81-178-79-63.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] are the security repositories working or not yet? [01:33] LOL, I feel that would a clear message to you-know-who "killing linux doesn't kill open source" ;) [01:39] and feed the bsd rox, linux sux-trolls === redissexy [~redissexy@201009184119.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] oh happy day [02:04] Linksys has added QOS to my Wireless Router === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === redissexy [~redissexy@201009184119.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === St0n3-C0l [~stonecol@202.69.60.245] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC040E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] hey.. === kent [~kent@c-35c871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] :/ it seems sometime between RC and final Bistream Vera Sans started looking like crap. === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] I find that highly unlikely [03:15] zenwhen: more likely your fontconfig settings changed [03:16] fontconfig didn't change between rc and final [03:16] right, but the per-user settings might [03:17] hello [03:18] Sorry if this is OT. Im thinking of reporting a bug/enhancement to Gnome bugzilla about the trashcan in Nautilus. Bugzilla in gnome lets me specify not only version but target. Whats "target"? Version is 2.10.x, but I cant figure out what target to choose :( [03:18] sorry, i think its my fault. I was on the wrong page ;( === zerokarmaleft [~zerokarma@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] anyone here running beagle? === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] Why has the standard PDF reader changed from gpdf to xpdf? === mpt [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] bye all :) === melodie [~melodie@dyn-213-36-23-195.ppp.tiscali.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_douglas [~mike@70.70.204.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.134.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [~minghua@adsl-69-153-134-66.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [~minghua@adsl-69-153-134-66.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [04:24] toresbe: it's always been xpdf [04:25] thom: yeah, but it was scheduled to change in Hoary [04:26] toresbe: only if gpdf started to not suck, which wasn't the case [04:26] ah, I see.. [04:27] The site said they expected it to stop sucking, but... it didn't... *sigh* [04:27] thom: now, we'll probably go to evince instead [04:27] that's what seb128 recommends [04:27] it combines ggv and xpdf with a GNOMEish UI, which sounds nice. I haven't tried it yet [04:27] yes, i find it highly unlikely that evince won't be doable for breezy [04:28] evince is very nice indeed === toresbe tries [04:28] I will second that [04:28] it will most likely be included in 2.12 [04:28] mdz: indeed === stub [~stub@203-206-239-200.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] evince is awesome [04:28] wow, you guys make it sound so cool [04:28] *tries* [04:29] neat === jdub chuckles at DPL results [04:29] and fast, too! [04:29] shit, that's fast [04:29] jdub, you aren't a DD, are you? [04:29] jdub for DPL! ;) [04:30] Burgundavia: no [04:31] jdub, didn't think so [04:31] what was branden's view on platforms? [04:32] jdub: it is so not funny [04:35] jdub : You'll get yours. Somehow. :) [04:35] evince needs continious mode === sladen joins in the orgy and pimps evince [04:36] shaya: coming, i believe [04:36] shaya: file it and get it in, your've got 6 months ;-) === infinity realises he has to be at an immigration interview in under an hour and decides to leave. [04:42] evince is nice === jsgotangco goes back to lurker status === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] what the fuck keeps breaking me with damned bad dns settings === Nigelenki chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf [05:03] there. Bite that bitch. [05:03] morning [05:03] Nigelenki: keep it nice here, please [05:05] jdub: I'm slightly annoyed. I changed dhclient.conf or whatever to not ask for nameserver info, but every 2 hours I get my resolv.conf pointing at 192.168.0.1 which doesn't have a dns server on it. [05:07] Nigelenki: that's fine - but keep it nice here, please [05:14] Hello, I was trying to use the utf8migration tool, but it gives me an error at the end, when it comes to rename the files in utf8. [05:14] Anyone has an idea about this? === tritium [~mrimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] The output error is: [05:14] Traceback (most recent call last): [05:14] File "/usr/bin/utf8migrationtool", line 92, in change_setup [05:14] os.rename(oldfile, newfile) [05:14] OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory [05:15] nullaresnata: please file it in bugzilla (if it isn't there already) [05:16] Ok. [05:17] I do not know how to do it. [05:17] just create an account in bugzilla [05:17] Have to install bugzilla? [05:17] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ [05:18] No, they never said that. [05:18] its an online ticket/response tool for bugs, etc. [05:18] it is necessary to create an account in order to file bugs, yes [05:19] Ok... found this, mdz. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BugzillaHowto/view?searchterm=bugzilla [05:19] Why oh why do I do not RTFM??? [05:19] lol [05:20] *grin* [05:20] its alright we learn from mistakes [05:33] afternoon all === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] Hello again. [05:39] I found 2 bugs there for the same mistake. [05:39] One of them has a patch. [05:39] How do I use it? [05:40] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7723 [05:45] Think I got it right. [05:45] Thanks anyway. [05:45] :) [05:47] Yes, I got it right ;) === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.134.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~daniel@td9091cbf.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] hey [05:54] hi dholbach :) === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hondje [~hondje@c-67-174-186-96.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] Hi. I think I might have found some borkage in Nautilus. Where is the Ubuntu bug-tracking thing? [06:07] bugzilla.ubuntu.com [06:07] bugzilla.ubuntu com aaaaand https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs [06:08] great, thanks :-) [06:15] I don't see this bug, but I'm convinced it's nautilus [06:15] Would #ubuntu be a more appropriate forum to get someone to test it? [06:19] Hmmm === mpt decides to fix that bug listing, it's too damn wide [06:19] mpt: so, are the tables not entirely javascript now? [06:20] mpt: the inability to open bug links in tabs renders it almost entirely useless to me [06:20] mpt: (on a typical morning with bugzilla, i'll look at my bug list and open ten or more bugs in new tabs) [06:20] I think someone else fixed that [06:20] lessee [06:22] daniels: Yes, that's fixed [06:22] It should be fixed on launchpad.ubuntu.com sometime today [06:23] awesome === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] daniels: I see you are no longer the most southern map inhabitant? [06:26] maswan: bugger. bloody kiwis. ;) [06:26] heh! 'quannum'. :) [06:26] sorry daniels :) [06:29] I'm on top of the world! [06:29] ;) === hondje [~hondje@c-67-174-186-96.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Xoff [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~mrimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === xlogik [~knoppix@h-67-100-206-53.cmbrmaor.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] OK, what's going to have caused the version of a package in hoary to be months old compared to the version in Debian sarge? [07:24] womble: no one requested a sync? [07:24] what package are you talking about? [07:25] schweeb: IRM. === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.105.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] The version that's in hoary universe is crustirifically old. There's been 3 uploads since the one that's in hoary, dating from January. [07:26] we'll have it in breezy [07:27] dholbach: I'm more interested in knowing why it didn't get updated in hoary. [07:27] womble: i can't tell you when the last BIG SYNC was [07:29] the big-syncs had to stop at some point to make the overall situation settle down [07:29] dholbach: So in order to make sure that I don't get asked for support on horrendously out-of-date versions of stuff I maintain for debian, I need to poke someone in Ubuntu every time I make an upload in Debian? [07:29] otherwise the MOTUs would have to work their butts off to stabilize universe :) [07:30] womble: in the last weeks before release, yes, if nobody else complains about an out-of-date version [07:30] womble: it's helpful, yes [07:30] We're talking about code from January. Over two months ago. [07:31] womble: which is when we froze, yes [07:31] Now, I know you've carried some traditions over from Debian, but I thought glacial freezes weren't one of them. [07:31] gotta freeze sometime man [07:31] two months seems resonable, even a bit on the short side for a freeze [07:31] otherwise you end up having to fix all of your bugs AFTER release [07:31] womble: if you have a better plan by the hand, start a discussion on ubuntu-devel@ [07:31] need some level of QA [07:32] So can I request my packages don't get synced and just get removed instead? [07:32] there is the MOTU team [07:32] no? [07:32] i wonder if it's reasonable to remove a package in that case [07:33] you can overee pakages (specific packages) getting in after the syncs [07:33] have there been major security holes in it or something? [07:33] womble: if you're really that concerned about 2 month old code, i suspect you're going to be crying for some time after debian releases *shrug* [07:33] I mean, when sarge releases (if it ever does) there will be a version freeze too... [07:34] schweeb: Yes. As well as a lot of major improvements to the functionality of the code and it's packaging. [07:34] schweeb: fix all your bugs after release? that sounds so microsoft ;) [07:34] Yep, but I can handle that because I track Debian development. [07:34] thom: I wouldn't be worried about it if I knew what was going on. [07:34] In dutch we have a saying for this kind of discussion. "a thunderstorm in a glass of water" [07:34] Amaranth: I wasn't advocating that [07:35] HiddenWolf: "a storm in a teacup" is the english :-) [07:35] schweeb: I know, I was trying to be funny. :) [07:35] heh [07:35] thom, fair enough [07:36] womble: there will be stuff in the future that allows us to interact better with debian maintainers; but it ain't there yet [07:36] womble: it's easy, this is open source software. No-one is getting paid to do what he doesn't like. Importing packages after a freeze is quite high on the don't like list. If you want it to happen, you'll have to make the effort, or find someone to do it for you. [07:37] thom: So, in the meantime, I should just prepare a form letter to send to everyone who asks me why IRM on Ubuntu sucks balls? [07:37] HiddenWolf: Yes, but I've still got my name on it, and I still get all the flack for why it's screwing up. [07:37] womble, in that case, feel free to blame ubuntu, and tell people that for fast, accurate and utterly cool cutting-edge software, they should really really use debian. [07:38] womble: so just say you don't support the ubuntu packages and direct them to us [07:38] HiddenWolf: be nice [07:38] HiddenWolf: Cute. [07:38] womble: alternatively, don't suck packages that suck balls? ;P === HiddenWolf grins at thom [07:39] aj: coming to LCA? [07:39] yah [07:39] cool [07:39] aj: so that's you and matthew to buy commiseratory drinks for; or possibly all of debian === HiddenWolf has a tendency to be sarcastic before breakfast, sorry womble, aj [07:40] thom: gus should be there too [07:41] I wonder why anyone would review FC3 over Ubuntu. :/ [07:42] Is there something, somewhere that describes how random packages end up in Ubuntu from Debian? Where they're sourced from, what the freeze dates are, criteria, requesting resyncing, that sort of thing? If I'm going to do this, I'd at least like to do it properly. [07:42] womble: not "random" packages [07:42] we pretty much mirror debian completely [07:42] aj: ah, good point [07:42] womble: If you like, you could become part of the MOTU team and ensure your packages are up to date in ubuntu. [07:43] womble: IRM is in "universe" the more "unsupported" branch... the Masters Of The Universe are in charge of Universe [07:43] Is there documentation or not? [07:44] not really, at the moment [07:44] but, join #ubuntu-motu to confer with the MOTUs any time you feel like [07:45] womble: there usually is a schedule laid out of freeze dates and such, but there was just a release, so I don't think a new schedule has been laid out [07:46] womble: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki has a lot of info === stub [~stub@203-206-239-200.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] schweeb: That's like saying "http://www.google.com/ has a lot of info" -- true, but unhelpful. [07:50] womble: as far as dates of freezes go, see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule. I expect there will be a similiar page for Breezy shortly.l [07:50] womble: I expect you can read the base topics and click links yourself *shrug* [07:51] spiv: I suspect not until after UDU [07:52] schweeb: One I clicked was termed "Ubuntu Code of Conduct" [07:53] and? [07:54] womble: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule [07:54] womble: UVF is when syncing from sid is stopped === ups [~ups@203.200.160.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] womble: after that it's done for bugfixes only (in main) and requested/tested updates for universe [07:57] jdub: So you're syncing direct from sid? Does any of the MOTUs actually check that what's in Universe is reasonable after that date? [07:57] womble: there are lots of areas that haven't been covered by documentation yet, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToSync is the place where we note down syncs that are to be made [07:58] womble: our team is still growing, so we mostly rely on information from users/developers [07:59] womble: a team of 10-20 people cannot perfectly handle 12.000 packages [07:59] oh, MOTU = Masters of the universe?! === aj finally gets it [07:59] aj: yes :-) [07:59] aj: yes! [07:59] whee -> http://150.203.164.99:8800/ [07:59] i'd been wondering for days, maybe weeks === kent [~kent@c-39c871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] dholbach: Unlike Debian, though (which basically presents using testing as a fair accompli), Ubuntu releases often enough that there will be insufficient test coverage of Universe to pick up all the problems in Universe. [08:00] more jdub tv! [08:00] Before release, at least [08:00] womble: i can only hope our team will grow and we will form subteams which are aware of upstream/debian package changes [08:00] or maybe not [08:00] jdub: what is this? [08:01] schweeb: room of hackers ;) [08:01] i'm behind the camera atm [08:01] stream testing for lca [08:01] ahhh [08:01] who is on cam? [08:02] dholbach: I don't think it can be done with the number of people you've got, either, but I don't think that saying "oh well" and letting it all hang out is the optimum point. You'd be better off not syncing all of Debian, in that case (or at least not Sid, which might stop a few of the problems) [08:02] schweeb: kfish and ozone [08:03] jdub: Awesome, it made xine segfault. [08:03] womble: the point of the freeze is to hopefully find problems in universe and stabilize them [08:03] schweeb: Which depends on having a large enough pool of testers with sufficient motivation to withstand the breakages of pre-release software [08:03] while still providing a huge number of packages for people [08:04] womble: as i said, i hope we grow soon, but before that we will have to take all the snide of people saying "you can't handle it" [08:04] Debian provides that with a stable release that is so old as to be somewhat unusable, but Ubuntu releases frequently enough that many people will stick with the releases [08:05] jdub: could you wave into the camera for us? [08:05] dholbach: It's not a snide comment, it's something you yourself admitted. [08:05] nice but [08:05] butt [08:05] womble: i said all i could say about it :-/ [08:05] womble: I still haven't heard of an actual major problem with the package in question, other than the fact that it's a few revisions behind the Debian one [08:05] is there a major bug in it? [08:06] schweeb: It's broken. Badly. [08:06] or is it just old? [08:06] hi hand === SuperLag [aaron@SuperLag.developer.gentoo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] jdub, whats with the green line [08:08] womble: okay, elaborate on broken. and do you know the cause of the brokenness? [08:08] womble: i believe the overall situation will improve [08:08] a lot [08:08] :-) [08:08] basically, we're learning from our mistakes right now [08:09] and refining proper procedures [08:09] schweeb: Doesn't install on Hoary, doesn't uninstall on Hoary, probably has a pile of security bugs large enough to drive a truck through, bunch of usability and stability bugs. Etc. [08:10] dholbach: something I've wondered, do the buildds test for install problems with packages? [08:10] or does anything [08:11] schweeb: we had a list with the output of apt-cache -i unmet around [08:11] but that doesnt cover all [08:11] ah [08:11] UniverseUnmetDeps [08:12] dholbach: do we currently have any scripts in place to track ubuntu versions vs debian versions? [08:13] womble, what is the package in question? I just connected to irc. [08:13] kent: irm [08:13] schweeb: not really [08:13] kent: irm === mike_douglas [~mike@70.70.204.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] dholbach: perhaps I'll work on some... maybe with breezy I could generate a daily/weekly changelog or something [08:15] schweeb: not too hard since there's a changes list for unstable [08:15] yea [08:16] or some nice script using python-apt [08:16] I was thinking more of comparing the versions in Packages.gz, but the emails might work too [08:16] shouldnt be too hard either [08:17] i used python-apt for the apt-get.org thing [08:17] or use the existing merge tools that ubuntu uses [08:17] I'll be using perl if anything :) === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~janew@wbs-146-128-36.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] whee -> http://150.203.164.99:8800/ [08:41] i'm off, bye [08:44] jdub: You know, you strain your neck doing that. === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] Hi folks [08:52] are there going to be theora streams at "Ubuntu Down Under" for those that cannot make it? [08:55] mike_douglas: no === Treenaks watches Ubuntu TV? [09:02] ah [09:02] it's jdub TV with a twist! === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] jdub: what are we watching? [09:03] now im watching jdub :) haha === Treenaks sees jdub's pants.. [09:04] thats an unusual siting [09:04] URL? [09:04] 08:40 < jdub> whee -> http://150.203.164.99:8800/ [09:05] too many powerbook [09:05] s [09:05] yay, neat bug :) [09:06] i switched here then back to totem and the gui is totally blank and so is the video window [09:06] i recognise those people [09:06] Lathiat: you do? [09:06] yeh from lca04 [09:07] im not goign to guess but because i probably have it wrong :) [09:07] i'm assuming he is using flumotion [09:07] yeh === sto_ is now known as sto [09:07] Amaranth: knowing jdub: yes. [09:07] talking on the phone :) [09:07] think i know what theyre doing too [09:07] heh [09:08] i need to get a webcam that works in linux so i can play with this stuff [09:08] jdub: quit arguing with sabdfl and do something funny ;) [09:09] Lathiat: why a webcam if you can use a TV tuner card? :) [09:09] Lathiat: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=cams <- there are some [09:09] Treenaks: laptop [09:09] and no camera to go into tv turen card [09:09] Lathiat: laptops with built-in tuners exist [09:09] but mine doesn't have one :) [09:09] [ok, who can read lips?] [09:09] On the other hand, when it works and you are capturing your Firewire camera [09:09] on one machine, encoding to Theora on a second (with an overlay, of course), [09:09] encoding the audio to Vorbis on a third, muxing to Ogg on a fourth, and then [09:09] streaming both audio and video from a fifth, audio only from a sixth, [09:09] video only from a seventh, and capturing all three streams to disk from [09:09] an eigth, you feel very good about yourself. [09:09] jdub: where the hell are you? === Lathiat laughs [09:10] And you also have too many computers. [09:10] daniels: he's on the phone [09:10] (if this stream is live) [09:10] daniels: he appears to be somewhere with lca04 people organising lca05 streaming, at a guess, no idea where that is :) [09:10] oh, right. now it all clicks. [09:11] daniels: http://150.203.164.99:8800/ [09:11] and the two people looked vaugely like aj and silvia but i have absolutely no idea the videos a bit hard to make out [09:11] Lathiat: k and silvia [09:11] k? [09:11] Treenaks: yeah, I was watching the stream, just trying to work out where he was [09:11] Lathiat: conrad parker [09:11] Lathiat: conrad parker [09:11] oh right [09:11] thom: jinx! [09:11] the hat put me off :) [09:12] plus theres no sound :) [09:12] there's some weird musicish thing [09:12] oh i cant here that [09:12] weird [09:12] oh my internal speaker volume is off [09:12] there we go === zerokarmaleft [~zerokarma@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] heh === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-206-239-200.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] hm, if UDU will have stuff like this... :) [09:17] (too bad the timezone diff is hell) [09:17] hmm flumation-admin crashes for me :( [09:17] Treenaks: nah UDU wont [09:17] Lathiat: :( [09:17] apparently linux.conf.au will [09:19] haha [09:20] don't flip me off [09:20] i keep missing screencaps of all these funny images [09:20] i need to setup a gst pipeline to save the stream :) [09:21] that was far too easy === fwiffo_ [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] gstreamer rocks [09:21] heh. bandwidth usage seems to be going up again. you guys rock with your releases! :) [09:21] haha [09:22] whats the url for the ftp data === Amaranth took the toolbars out of vlc and put them on another desktop [09:22] then made the vlc window always on top [09:22] Amaranth: use totem... [09:22] so i miss nothing :) [09:22] Lathiat: It froze. [09:22] then just hide controls and set on top [09:22] or [09:22] http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en [09:23] plus this for the i386 install and live cds: [09:23] http://farbror.acc.umu.se/stats/monitordata/index.shtml [09:23] haha fark [09:24] i can see we're goign to keep you busy :) [09:24] did he just kill the stream? [09:24] yeh [09:24] dang [09:24] Lathiat; wake up! [09:24] desrt: what? [09:24] oh well, back to system of a down [09:24] nothing :) [09:25] desrt: :P [09:25] Amaranth; they're trying to build a prison. [09:25] desrt: Nah, nothing that old. [09:25] desrt: dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine [09:26] boring. [09:26] gotta love PNG [09:26]