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jsgotangco | hello | 03:17 |
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jsgotangco | hi Burgundavia | 05:04 |
Burgundavia | salut | 05:05 |
jsgotangco | brb /reboot to test kubuntu | 05:35 |
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jsgotangco | im sorry i am now a Konvert | 05:57 |
Burgundavia | bah | 05:58 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 05:58 |
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froud | African Greetings | 07:50 |
Burgundavia | salut | 07:53 |
Burgundavia | froud, what is the longterm plan for the svn repo in terms of branches and trunk? | 07:58 |
Burgundavia | I am little confused | 07:58 |
froud | what's the problem | 07:58 |
Burgundavia | nothing, just looking for info | 07:58 |
froud | When I am finished in branch I will merge to trunk | 07:58 |
Burgundavia | ah | 07:58 |
Burgundavia | ok | 07:58 |
Burgundavia | that is what I thought | 07:59 |
froud | in the interim people can continue working on trunk | 07:59 |
Burgundavia | for new stuff, should I check into the branches? | 07:59 |
froud | you can work in either branch or trunk | 07:59 |
Burgundavia | ok | 07:59 |
froud | it's up to you | 07:59 |
froud | I did it in branches so as not to disrupt the trunk | 08:00 |
froud | it gets confusing when your document keeps moving around | 08:00 |
Burgundavia | oh crap | 08:04 |
Burgundavia | I think I just made a huge huge error | 08:04 |
froud | what error | 08:05 |
Burgundavia | my gpg key | 08:05 |
froud | what about it | 08:05 |
froud | hmmm, no just your public key | 08:14 |
jsgotangco | hail froud | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | i have been konquered | 08:38 |
Burgundavia | bah | 08:49 |
froud | jsgotangco: welcome | 08:50 |
froud | jsgotangco: isn't kde just a pleasure to work with after working with an arcain desktop like gnome? | 08:51 |
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jsgotangco | aye my desktop is much snappier now i noticed and the fonts are good | 08:58 |
jsgotangco | but where oh where is my esvn shortcut? | 08:58 |
froud | under development? | 08:59 |
jsgotangco | i only have bluefish | 08:59 |
jsgotangco | hrrmm | 08:59 |
jsgotangco | ill just add a manual link | 08:59 |
froud | can do | 08:59 |
froud | I normally add eSvn to th ekicker | 08:59 |
jsgotangco | jeezz kde 3.4 is just miles ahead | 09:00 |
froud | I know | 09:00 |
jsgotangco | riddell just did something that surpassed ubuntu gnome imo | 09:00 |
froud | btw did you know that in konqueror you can just do media:// | 09:01 |
froud | yeah Riddle is good, been with KDE for long | 09:01 |
froud | The HAL Layer integration is really cool | 09:02 |
jsgotangco | ill most likely keep this and help out with kubuntu | 09:02 |
jsgotangco | but the kicker says 5.4 | 09:03 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 09:03 |
jsgotangco | not 5.04 | 09:03 |
froud | Brilliant, I need doc members for kde docs | 09:03 |
froud | yeah seems we weren't the only ones who got it wrong :-) | 09:03 |
froud | but we fixed it | 09:03 |
jsgotangco | froud: when do we get action into branch when breezy opens i guess? | 09:12 |
froud | we dont action in branch | 09:13 |
jsgotangco | we still do trunk? | 09:13 |
froud | we are just making changes to our structure there | 09:13 |
froud | I will merge back into trunk | 09:13 |
froud | and then we work in trunk | 09:13 |
jsgotangco | hmmm so i guess theres no use in keeping my wc of branch here | 09:14 |
froud | well if you want to work on the branch you must keep it | 09:14 |
froud | if not then rm | 09:14 |
froud | if you did a checkout from repos/ then the restructure branch will disappear when I merge to trunk | 09:15 |
jsgotangco | i did make a checkout | 09:16 |
froud | form where, the branches/ or the repos/ | 09:17 |
froud | when you do checkout from repos/ you get the tags/ branches/ trunk/ vendor/ directories | 09:17 |
jsgotangco | repos/branches/restructure | 09:18 |
jsgotangco | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/restructure | 09:18 |
froud | OK so that means if you are not going to work on branch that you will not need it | 09:18 |
jsgotangco | what work is there to do in branch anyway? | 09:19 |
froud | just the restructure stuff | 09:19 |
jsgotangco | ok ill just remove this then | 09:19 |
froud | sure | 09:19 |
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jsgotangco | you forgot your keys? | 09:41 |
Burgundavia | no, even stupider | 09:42 |
Burgundavia | I reinstalled, that is all you should need to know | 09:43 |
jsgotangco | arrgghhh | 09:49 |
Burgundavia | luckily, I have a revoking cert, and nobody has signed it yet | 09:51 |
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Kinnison | Morning all | 10:40 |
froud | morn | 10:40 |
Kinnison | Burgundavia: silly moo | 10:40 |
Burgundavia | salut Kinnison | 10:48 |
Burgundavia | better to learn now then later | 10:48 |
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Kinnison | Or rather, $60 so that you have one which won't die | 10:49 |
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jsgotangco | HI | 10:52 |
jsgotangco | i use the Buffalo brand made in japan | 10:53 |
jsgotangco | i once left it in the dash of my car on midday and i thought it was fried | 10:53 |
jsgotangco | but it still works | 10:53 |
Burgundavia | a had one that survived the washing machine long enough for me to raw dump the data off of it | 10:55 |
jsgotangco | jeezz im beginning to love KDE more | 10:57 |
jsgotangco | somebody slap me before i become one of them | 10:57 |
Burgundavia | resist the dark side my son | 10:57 |
froud | leave him alone before I set Kongi on you | 10:58 |
Burgundavia | 3 feet tall and all fight. My gnomes will take your dragon any day | 10:58 |
froud | breath of fire | 10:58 |
Burgundavia | evasion | 10:59 |
froud | dynamite comes in small packages | 10:59 |
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jsgotangco | why oh why Konqueror is more superior on browsing samba shares than nautilus | 11:01 |
Burgundavia | Nautilus is semi-crap | 11:01 |
jsgotangco | -1 | 11:01 |
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jsgotangco | hello | 11:55 |
mdke | hi all | 11:55 |
jsgotangco | hi mdke | 11:55 |
jsgotangco | i got Konquered | 11:55 |
froud | mdke: hello | 11:55 |
mdke | hi froud, jsgotangco | 11:55 |
froud | hope you are well after yesterdays teasing :-) | 11:56 |
mdke | good thanks :) | 11:56 |
jsgotangco | nyahaha | 11:56 |
mdke | you? | 11:56 |
froud | good | 11:56 |
jsgotangco | i should have saved the logs | 11:56 |
mdke | jsgotangco, i have em | 11:56 |
jsgotangco | woohooo proof of treason eh? | 11:56 |
mdke | i always log ;) | 11:56 |
mdke | plus boglot has em too | 11:57 |
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jsgotangco | ooohhh | 11:57 |
jsgotangco | i didnt know that | 11:57 |
mdke | heh | 11:57 |
mdke | he does lots of channels | 11:57 |
mdke | its a cool service | 11:58 |
jsgotangco | hmmm launchpad is borked? | 11:58 |
mdke | yes | 11:58 |
mdke | they are updating | 11:58 |
mdke | yay! | 11:58 |
jsgotangco | 502 Bad Gateway | 11:59 |
mdke | yeap | 12:02 |
jsgotangco | mdke i cant see you in the map did you add yourself? | 12:08 |
mdke | heh | 12:08 |
mdke | difficult to find us europeans on the map | 12:08 |
jsgotangco | yah | 12:09 |
mdke | you should be able to find me on the list tho | 12:09 |
jsgotangco | i have my dot for myself | 12:09 |
mdke | i reckon i've got to be the closest to 0 longtitude | 12:09 |
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jjesse | wow lots of updates over the weekend it seems | 03:22 |
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jjesse | exit | 04:34 |
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carlos | hi | 07:13 |
Flonne | Hi. | 07:17 |
jjesse | hello | 07:24 |
mdke | hi carlos Flonne jjesse daven | 07:26 |
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mdke | hi sdoyle | 07:30 |
sdoyle | hey | 07:31 |
daven | hiya | 07:35 |
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mdke | hi Cturtle claude :) | 08:26 |
carlos | mdke: I will need some help with the FAQ format. I'm not too used to wiki (at least Ubuntu's wiki does not work as the one I usually work with) | 08:30 |
mdke | carlos, i'd be really happy to help finally | 08:30 |
carlos | mdke: how could I get some love from ubuntu-doc? | 08:30 |
carlos | mdke: thank you | 08:31 |
mdke | carlos, just dump it in plain text and i'll clear it up | 08:31 |
mdke | carlos, or if you prefer, just ask questions :) | 08:31 |
carlos | feel free to improve the English text also :-) | 08:31 |
mdke | mate your english is great | 08:31 |
carlos | mdke: I don't have time to fight with it now, if you can add some formatting to the current faq, I will learn from it | 08:32 |
mdke | carlos, be happy to | 08:32 |
carlos | mdke: thank you | 08:32 |
mdke | carlos, is it done already? | 08:34 |
carlos | yes | 08:34 |
carlos | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaFAQs | 08:34 |
mdke | ok | 08:34 |
claude | Rosetta FAQ ? great :) | 08:35 |
carlos | claude: I'm tired to answer always the same questions at rosetta-users :-) | 08:37 |
mdke | yeah its a good idea | 08:37 |
claude | +1 | 08:37 |
mdke | heh | 08:37 |
carlos | feel free to add anything there, if you don't know the answer, add the question and point me to it so I will try to answer it, ok? | 08:38 |
claude | carlos: what about the languages variations (French, French(France), ...) ? | 08:38 |
carlos | claude: yeah, I need to add it also there | 08:38 |
mdke | i'll add a link to RosettaWishList | 08:38 |
carlos | until we implement a way to restrict it in Rosetta | 08:38 |
carlos | mdke: perfect, thanks | 08:39 |
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mdke | carlos, ok i've done a bit, its not exactly beautiful but hopefully it'll do | 08:47 |
daven | wow - the formatting makes quite a difference! :) | 08:48 |
carlos | mdke: it looks better than mine :-). Thank you! | 08:49 |
daven | if only i knew what rosetta was i'd understand what a good FAQ it was :) | 08:49 |
daven | i think i need to read a different faq to find out what rosetta is ;-) | 08:49 |
mdke | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta? | 08:50 |
carlos | daven: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/+about | 08:50 |
daven | gah! very good :) i really do just need to sit down and read! | 08:50 |
daven | carlos, did you write your faq from scratch? | 08:51 |
carlos | daven: from an email I sent to rosetta-users about two hours ago, why? | 08:52 |
daven | carlos, i was just thinking that your english is good for a non-native | 08:53 |
carlos | daven: thanks | 08:53 |
mdke | :) | 08:53 |
carlos | mdke: is there any way to add a list of all questions on the top with links to the answers under that list? | 08:58 |
mdke | fraid not | 08:58 |
carlos | ok | 08:58 |
mdke | carlos, there is no anchoring in our wiki yet for Moin | 08:58 |
mdke | :/ | 08:58 |
carlos | don't worry, I suppose we should split the faq into different pages when they grow too much. | 09:02 |
carlos | mdke: any way to remove the "subtopics" links at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta ? | 09:11 |
carlos | those links are already integrated into that page | 09:11 |
mdke | no fraid not | 09:12 |
mdke | its just the parenting system | 09:12 |
carlos | ok | 09:12 |
carlos | and last question for today :-) | 09:12 |
mdke | shoot | 09:12 |
carlos | RosettaFAQs or RosettaFAQ? what's better ? | 09:12 |
mdke | heh | 09:13 |
mdke | good question | 09:13 |
mdke | my opinion is FAQ, but that is only my personal opinion | 09:13 |
mdke | i don't think it matters much tbh :) | 09:13 |
carlos | Then, if people complains will change it :-) | 09:14 |
mdke | ok | 09:14 |
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sm | hey mdke, all | 10:04 |
mdke | hey stranger :) | 10:06 |
mdke | nice to see ya | 10:06 |
mdke | sm, get my email about those icons? | 10:07 |
sm | I did.. I'll do that now | 10:10 |
mdke | yay | 10:10 |
sm | iirc I just rename these to UserConfigPic.png, UserConfigPic2.png ? | 10:14 |
sm | done | 10:14 |
mdke | sm, thanks | 10:14 |
mdke | sm, how you been? | 10:14 |
sm | very good thanks.. and yourself ? | 10:15 |
mdke | fine ty | 10:15 |
sm | have been away from ubuntu site for a bit | 10:15 |
sm | it's looking better now :) | 10:15 |
mdke | yeah its pretty | 10:16 |
mdke | still b0rked tho | 10:16 |
sm | in what ways | 10:16 |
mdke | well that redirect thing, and the cache stuff | 10:16 |
sm | yeah.. :/ | 10:16 |
sm | I have a lot of list traffic to catch up on.. do you happen to know the status of FrontPage ? | 10:16 |
sm | was the right one ever recovered ? | 10:17 |
mdke | yes | 10:17 |
mdke | it was rewritten | 10:17 |
mdke | by that nice lady at canonical | 10:17 |
mdke | i guess its not recoverable from recycle_bin because there is already an older one there? | 10:17 |
sm | it looks good | 10:18 |
sm | when a page is deleted more than once, multiple copies pile up in the recycle_bin.. FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage_2... | 10:18 |
mdke | hmm | 10:18 |
sm | I'm guessing all versions are in there | 10:19 |
mdke | does the lady at canonical know that? | 10:19 |
sm | I do not know | 10:19 |
sm | the current looks about the best I've seen it, organization wise | 10:19 |
mdke | still need to sort UserDocumentation | 10:20 |
mdke | but I didn't have any feedback on the reorganisation thread so I may try and bump it again | 10:20 |
sm | think I'll remove rename/reparent permission from FrontPage as well as delete | 10:21 |
mdke | oh cool good idea | 10:21 |
sm | sooner or later someone would rename, more time wasted | 10:21 |
mdke | whenever pages are lost its normally because they get renamed | 10:22 |
mdke | and turned into a userpage ;) | 10:22 |
sm | 3000 edits in the last two weeks | 10:24 |
mdke | yeah i had some trouble downloading too | 10:24 |
mdke | gmail pop access was aching and groaning | 10:25 |
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mdke | i don't know much about email | 10:26 |
mdke | i need to investigate further | 10:26 |
sm | you must be a moin markup expert by now, eh | 10:26 |
sm | did you know it when you started ? | 10:27 |
mdke | no but its quite simple right? | 10:28 |
sm | I guess so | 10:28 |
sm | what's your opinion of it now ? | 10:28 |
mdke | actually i don't do anything complicated | 10:28 |
sm | I've never really learned it | 10:28 |
mdke | its fine, pretty simple | 10:28 |
mdke | have there been any zwiki upgrades in our wiki? | 10:29 |
sm | I got one done a couple of weeks ago | 10:32 |
sm | http://zwiki.org/FrontPage/zwiki_version | 10:32 |
mdke | moin macros aren't supported are they? | 10:32 |
sm | no | 10:32 |
sm | http://zwiki.org/ReleaseNotes | 10:33 |
mdke | is that because you don't support it upstream or it just isn't activated? | 10:33 |
sm | I think we were running 0.34 | 10:33 |
mdke | *cliks* | 10:33 |
sm | it isn't supported in the code | 10:33 |
sm | ie work needed | 10:33 |
mdke | ok | 10:33 |
mdke | 0.39 here | 10:33 |
mdke | have you seen the UbuntuDownUnder breakaway wiki? | 10:33 |
sm | not yet | 10:34 |
mdke | i'm not entirely sure what the reason behind trying a new one out is, or what the intention is for the future | 10:34 |
sm | is anyone ever.. :) | 10:37 |
claude | maybe zwiki too sluggish | 10:37 |
sm | is the new plone skin any better speedwise ? | 10:38 |
mdke | i thought it was the same | 10:39 |
mdke | oh the new skin | 10:39 |
mdke | a bit better | 10:39 |
mdke | but its not that slow, and the effort involved in migrating might not justify it | 10:40 |
mdke | i think the site is just quite slow in general | 10:40 |
claude | zope based :( | 10:40 |
claude | good app server when apache in front | 10:41 |
claude | but slow when many edits | 10:41 |
sm | claude, have you tried alt = ? | 10:42 |
claude | alt = ?? do you mean other app servers ? | 10:43 |
mdke | try pressing alt and = | 10:43 |
sm | it's a faster skin | 10:43 |
claude | oh... | 10:44 |
sm | to change back, you'll need to use http://www.ubuntulinux.org/personalize_form | 10:44 |
claude | k | 10:45 |
sm | and you'll need to reload pages if you don't see it, etc.. described at WikiTips | 10:45 |
mdke | sm, the other day I was having issues with zopeedit, same as before | 10:45 |
mdke | seems like its not with all pages tho | 10:45 |
sm | I'd like to see it | 10:45 |
mdke | i'll install it on this box and give it a try, see if I can find some pages that don't work | 10:46 |
mdke | actually no i'll brb on my lappy | 10:49 |
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sm | the site does seem very sluggish right now | 10:51 |
sm | well.. intermittently | 10:52 |
mdke | yeah i think its a hangover from the ISP issues they've had after release | 10:53 |
sm | seems ok now | 10:53 |
sm | after a zope restart, things are slow until you visit a few pages and warm up the cache | 10:53 |
mdke | still slow here | 10:56 |
mdke | sm, ok getting that error with zopeedit now | 10:58 |
mdke | currently editing http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocaleConf | 10:58 |
sm | let me know when to try.. it's locked right now | 11:00 |
mdke | i'll exit | 11:00 |
sm | also see if you edit again, do you still get it | 11:01 |
mdke | yes | 11:02 |
mdke | just tried now | 11:02 |
sm | what's the error.. popup when you try to save ? | 11:02 |
mdke | http://mdke.mine.nu/images/zopeedit.png | 11:03 |
mdke | yeah | 11:03 |
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sm | site is sloow | 11:10 |
sm | my edit worked fine | 11:10 |
sm | can you try another | 11:10 |
mdke | same page? | 11:10 |
sm | yup | 11:10 |
sm | I added test at the bottom.. try removing that | 11:10 |
mdke | still fails | 11:12 |
mdke | lemme reload the page and try | 11:12 |
mdke | sm, now when I open it, i don't see your "test" in gedit, even though i see it on the page | 11:14 |
sm | bah, caching trouble | 11:14 |
sm | what if you shift reload in your browser.. then ext edit again ? | 11:14 |
mdke | yeah that's what I did | 11:14 |
mdke | fine on the page, not on the editor | 11:14 |
sm | what if you remove the temporary extedit file(s) in /tm | 11:15 |
sm | /tmp | 11:15 |
mdke | matt@kallisto:~$ rm /tmp/tmp | 11:15 |
mdke | tmp0cEyPx-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html | 11:15 |
mdke | tmp_aq0_i-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~ | 11:15 |
mdke | tmpjsDfMS-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~ | 11:15 |
mdke | tmpsQJSiR-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~ | 11:15 |
mdke | deleting and trying again | 11:15 |
mdke | lol still don't see your "test" at the bottom | 11:16 |
sm | I don't know why your external edit script doesn't see the latest and mine does | 11:18 |
sm | any stray ext edit processes running ? | 11:18 |
sm | quit & restart browser ? | 11:19 |
mdke | that's done it | 11:22 |
sm | firefox not downloading a fresh copy for extedit ? | 11:22 |
mdke | weird | 11:22 |
mdke | do you use firefox? | 11:22 |
sm | I've seen that in other circumstances, rarely | 11:22 |
sm | yes | 11:22 |
mdke | removing the edit has worked | 11:23 |
mdke | is it possible that taking a certain amount of time might cause it not to work, or maybe making a certain amount of changes? | 11:23 |
sm | I don't think so | 11:23 |
mdke | lemme try again | 11:23 |
sm | I think we must chalk that up to the caching setup | 11:23 |
mdke | i just changed it to moin and it worked | 11:24 |
mdke | i reckon its the time taken | 11:24 |
sm | I think you just got a stale copy from one of the alternate ubuntu zeo clients, squid hosts or whatever it is | 11:25 |
sm | and firefox lost track of which was latest | 11:25 |
mdke | but that's the first time I tried to edit that page | 11:25 |
sm | doesn't matter | 11:26 |
mdke | ok now it seems like all the edits are working | 11:26 |
sm | you can visit a page for the first time and get a slightly stale copy | 11:26 |
sm | it's just the way they have things set up there | 11:26 |
mdke | can we do anything about it? | 11:26 |
mdke | is it worth filing a bug? | 11:26 |
sm | I think it's in bugzilla | 11:26 |
sm | getting anything done about it in the near future seems unlikely | 11:27 |
mdke | i have to say I'm not impressed at all with the speed of dealing with website bugs in bugzilla | 11:27 |
sm | I would try to get the single-consistent-url issue resolved first | 11:27 |
mdke | the bugs don't get assigned and no one responds | 11:27 |
sm | yup | 11:27 |
sm | I think there's noone assigned to such work | 11:28 |
sm | and they're hard | 11:28 |
mdke | hmm | 11:28 |
mdke | shame | 11:28 |
mdke | because now our website looks good, it is a shame that it is unprofessional | 11:28 |
sm | also the people with access and the people with know-how are different | 11:29 |
sm | yes, it is a shame | 11:29 |
mdke | meh | 11:29 |
mdke | is the technical board a reasonable place to raise such an issue do you think? | 11:30 |
sm | I think as long as there's doubt about the continued use of plone, noone's going to spend further time on that particular issue | 11:30 |
sm | I can imagine some would rather dump plone than spend further time on it :) | 11:30 |
mdke | meh | 11:33 |
mdke | ever thought about applying for a fulltime job with canonical? | 11:34 |
sm | it crossed my mind | 11:35 |
sm | not sure I'd be much help with that caching issue though | 11:36 |
sm | I think if they do less caching, the site will not scale so well | 11:36 |
mdke | i bet they need good webmasters tho | 11:37 |
sm | afaik canonical has good plone/zope/squid people.. one anyway.. but they're being used for other things | 11:37 |
mdke | oh right | 11:37 |
mdke | so its just a question of manpower | 11:37 |
sm | priorites, I guess | 11:37 |
sm | I imagine it's hard to take people off hoary to optimise the website | 11:38 |
mdke | well surely they keep OS developers and webmasters separate? | 11:38 |
mdke | they are working a lot on launchpad right now i think | 11:38 |
sm | what's launchpad ? | 11:42 |
mdke | http://launchpad.ubuntu.com | 11:43 |
mdke | it has a new bug reporting interface, and "Rosetta", a translating interface, and some other stuff | 11:44 |
mdke | i wonder where to parent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/QuantumLogicCorporation | 11:46 |
sm | I see | 11:46 |
claude | cya | 11:47 |
sm | see you | 11:47 |
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sm | mdke: doesn't seem ubuntu-specific.. probably would fit under a consultants/support page | 11:48 |
mdke | its not ubuntu specific but its being built by ubuntu peeps i believe | 11:48 |
sm | only an hour old though | 11:48 |
mdke | oh sorry i thought you were talking about launchpad | 11:49 |
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