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jsgotangcohello03:17
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jsgotangcohi Burgundavia05:04
Burgundaviasalut05:05
jsgotangcobrb /reboot to test kubuntu05:35
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jsgotangcoim sorry i am now a Konvert05:57
Burgundaviabah05:58
jsgotangcohehe05:58
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froudAfrican Greetings07:50
Burgundaviasalut07:53
Burgundaviafroud, what is the longterm plan for the svn repo in terms of branches and trunk?07:58
BurgundaviaI  am little confused07:58
froudwhat's the problem07:58
Burgundavianothing, just looking for info07:58
froudWhen I am finished in branch I will merge to trunk07:58
Burgundaviaah07:58
Burgundaviaok07:58
Burgundaviathat is what I thought07:59
froudin the interim people can continue working on trunk07:59
Burgundaviafor new stuff, should I check into the branches?07:59
froudyou can work in either branch or trunk07:59
Burgundaviaok07:59
froudit's up to you07:59
froudI did it in branches so as not to disrupt the trunk08:00
froudit gets confusing when your document keeps moving around08:00
Burgundaviaoh crap08:04
BurgundaviaI think I just made a huge huge error08:04
froudwhat error08:05
Burgundaviamy gpg key08:05
froudwhat about it08:05
froudhmmm, no just your public key08:14
jsgotangcohail froud08:37
jsgotangcoi have been konquered08:38
Burgundaviabah08:49
froudjsgotangco: welcome08:50
froudjsgotangco: isn't kde just a pleasure to work with after working with an arcain desktop like gnome?08:51
=== Burgundavia spys something under the bridge
jsgotangcoaye my desktop is much snappier now i noticed and the fonts are good08:58
jsgotangcobut where oh where is my esvn shortcut?08:58
froudunder development?08:59
jsgotangcoi only have bluefish08:59
jsgotangcohrrmm08:59
jsgotangcoill just add a manual link08:59
froudcan do08:59
froudI normally add eSvn to th ekicker08:59
jsgotangcojeezz kde 3.4 is just miles ahead09:00
froudI know09:00
jsgotangcoriddell just did something that surpassed ubuntu gnome imo09:00
froudbtw did you know that in konqueror you can just do media://09:01
froudyeah Riddle is good, been with KDE for long09:01
froudThe HAL Layer integration is really cool09:02
jsgotangcoill most likely keep this and help out with kubuntu09:02
jsgotangcobut the kicker says 5.409:03
jsgotangcohehe09:03
jsgotangconot 5.0409:03
froudBrilliant, I need doc members for kde docs09:03
froudyeah seems we weren't the only ones who got it wrong :-)09:03
froudbut we fixed it09:03
jsgotangcofroud: when do we get action into branch when breezy opens i guess?09:12
froudwe dont action in branch09:13
jsgotangcowe still do trunk?09:13
froudwe are just making changes to our structure there09:13
froudI will merge back into trunk09:13
froudand then we work in trunk09:13
jsgotangcohmmm so i guess theres no use in keeping my wc of branch here09:14
froudwell if you want to work on the branch you must keep it09:14
froudif not then rm09:14
froudif you did a checkout from repos/ then the restructure branch will disappear when I merge to trunk09:15
jsgotangcoi did make a checkout09:16
froudform where, the branches/ or the repos/09:17
froudwhen you do checkout from repos/ you get the tags/ branches/ trunk/ vendor/ directories09:17
jsgotangcorepos/branches/restructure09:18
jsgotangcohttps://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/restructure09:18
froudOK so that means if you are not going to work on branch that you will not need it09:18
jsgotangcowhat work is there to do in branch anyway?09:19
froudjust the restructure stuff09:19
jsgotangcook ill just remove this then09:19
froudsure09:19
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jsgotangcoyou forgot your keys?09:41
Burgundaviano, even stupider09:42
BurgundaviaI reinstalled, that is all you should need to know09:43
jsgotangcoarrgghhh09:49
Burgundavialuckily, I have a revoking cert, and nobody has signed it yet09:51
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KinnisonMorning all10:40
froudmorn10:40
KinnisonBurgundavia: silly moo10:40
Burgundaviasalut Kinnison 10:48
Burgundaviabetter to learn now then later10:48
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KinnisonOr rather, $60 so that you have one which won't die10:49
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jsgotangcoHI10:52
jsgotangcoi use the Buffalo brand made in japan10:53
jsgotangcoi once left it in the dash of my car on midday and i thought it was fried10:53
jsgotangcobut it still works10:53
Burgundaviaa had one that survived the washing machine long enough for me to raw dump the data off of it10:55
jsgotangcojeezz im beginning to love KDE more10:57
jsgotangcosomebody slap me before i become one of them10:57
Burgundaviaresist the dark side my son10:57
froudleave him alone before I set Kongi on you10:58
Burgundavia3 feet tall and all fight. My gnomes will take your dragon any day10:58
froudbreath of fire10:58
Burgundaviaevasion10:59
frouddynamite comes in small packages10:59
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jsgotangcowhy oh why Konqueror is more superior on browsing samba shares than nautilus11:01
BurgundaviaNautilus is semi-crap11:01
jsgotangco-111:01
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jsgotangcohello11:55
mdkehi all11:55
jsgotangcohi mdke11:55
jsgotangcoi got Konquered11:55
froudmdke: hello11:55
mdkehi froud, jsgotangco 11:55
froudhope you are well after yesterdays teasing :-)11:56
mdkegood thanks :)11:56
jsgotangconyahaha11:56
mdkeyou?11:56
froudgood11:56
jsgotangcoi should have saved the logs11:56
mdkejsgotangco, i have em11:56
jsgotangcowoohooo proof of treason eh?11:56
mdkei always log ;)11:56
mdkeplus boglot has em too11:57
=== mdke points
jsgotangcoooohhh11:57
jsgotangcoi didnt know that11:57
mdkeheh11:57
mdkehe does lots of channels11:57
mdkeits a cool service11:58
jsgotangcohmmm launchpad is borked?11:58
mdkeyes11:58
mdkethey are updating11:58
mdkeyay!11:58
jsgotangco502 Bad Gateway11:59
mdkeyeap12:02
jsgotangcomdke i cant see you in the map did you add yourself?12:08
mdkeheh12:08
mdkedifficult to find us europeans on the map12:08
jsgotangcoyah12:09
mdkeyou should be able to find me on the list tho12:09
jsgotangcoi have my dot for myself12:09
mdkei reckon i've got to be the closest to 0 longtitude12:09
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jjessewow lots of updates over the weekend it seems03:22
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carloshi07:13
FlonneHi.07:17
jjessehello07:24
mdkehi carlos Flonne jjesse daven 07:26
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mdkehi sdoyle 07:30
sdoylehey07:31
davenhiya07:35
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mdkehi Cturtle claude :)08:26
carlosmdke: I will need some help with the FAQ format. I'm not too used to wiki (at least Ubuntu's wiki does not work as the one I usually work with)08:30
mdkecarlos, i'd be really happy to help finally08:30
carlosmdke: how could I get some love from ubuntu-doc?08:30
carlosmdke: thank you08:31
mdkecarlos, just dump it in plain text and i'll clear it up08:31
mdkecarlos, or if you prefer, just ask questions :)08:31
carlosfeel free to improve the English text also :-)08:31
mdkemate your english is great08:31
carlosmdke: I don't have time to fight with it now, if you can add some formatting to the current faq, I will learn from it 08:32
mdkecarlos, be happy to08:32
carlosmdke: thank you08:32
mdkecarlos, is it done already?08:34
carlosyes08:34
carloshttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaFAQs08:34
mdkeok08:34
claudeRosetta FAQ ? great :)08:35
carlosclaude: I'm tired to answer always the same questions at rosetta-users :-)08:37
mdkeyeah its a good idea08:37
claude+108:37
mdkeheh08:37
carlosfeel free to add anything there, if you don't know the answer, add the question and point me to it so I will try to answer it, ok?08:38
claudecarlos: what about the languages variations (French, French(France), ...) ?08:38
carlosclaude: yeah, I need to add it also there08:38
mdkei'll add a link to RosettaWishList08:38
carlosuntil we implement a way to restrict it in Rosetta08:38
carlosmdke: perfect, thanks08:39
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mdkecarlos, ok i've done a bit, its not exactly beautiful but hopefully it'll do08:47
davenwow - the formatting makes quite a difference! :)08:48
carlosmdke: it looks better than mine :-). Thank you!08:49
davenif only i knew what rosetta was i'd understand what a good FAQ it was :)08:49
daveni think i need to read a different faq to find out what rosetta is ;-)08:49
mdkehttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta?08:50
carlosdaven: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/+about08:50
davengah! very good :) i really do just need to sit down and read!08:50
davencarlos, did you write your faq from scratch?08:51
carlosdaven: from an email I sent to rosetta-users about two hours ago, why?08:52
davencarlos, i was just thinking that your english is good for a non-native08:53
carlosdaven: thanks08:53
mdke:)08:53
carlosmdke: is there any way to add a list of all questions on the top with links to the answers under that list?08:58
mdkefraid not08:58
carlosok08:58
mdkecarlos, there is no anchoring in our wiki yet for Moin08:58
mdke:/08:58
carlosdon't worry, I suppose we should split the faq into different pages when they grow too much.09:02
carlosmdke: any way to remove the "subtopics" links at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta ?09:11
carlosthose links are already integrated into that page09:11
mdkeno fraid not09:12
mdkeits just the parenting system09:12
carlosok09:12
carlosand last question for today :-)09:12
mdkeshoot09:12
carlosRosettaFAQs or RosettaFAQ? what's better ? 09:12
mdkeheh09:13
mdkegood question09:13
mdkemy opinion is FAQ, but that is only my personal opinion09:13
mdkei don't think it matters much tbh :)09:13
carlosThen, if people complains will change it  :-)09:14
mdkeok09:14
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smhey mdke, all10:04
mdkehey stranger :)10:06
mdkenice to see ya10:06
mdkesm, get my email about those icons?10:07
smI did.. I'll do that now10:10
mdkeyay10:10
smiirc I just rename these to UserConfigPic.png, UserConfigPic2.png ?10:14
smdone10:14
mdkesm, thanks10:14
mdkesm, how you been?10:14
smvery good thanks.. and yourself ?10:15
mdkefine ty10:15
smhave been away from ubuntu site for a bit10:15
smit's looking better now :)10:15
mdkeyeah its pretty10:16
mdkestill b0rked tho10:16
smin what ways10:16
mdkewell that redirect thing, and the cache stuff10:16
smyeah.. :/10:16
smI have a lot of list traffic to catch up on.. do you happen to know the status of FrontPage ?10:16
smwas the right one ever recovered ?10:17
mdkeyes10:17
mdkeit was rewritten10:17
mdkeby that nice lady at canonical10:17
mdkei guess its not recoverable from recycle_bin because there is already an older one there?10:17
smit looks good10:18
smwhen a page is deleted more than once, multiple copies pile up in the recycle_bin.. FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage_2...10:18
mdkehmm10:18
smI'm guessing all versions are in there10:19
mdkedoes the lady at canonical know that?10:19
smI do not know10:19
smthe current looks about the best I've seen it, organization wise10:19
mdkestill need to sort UserDocumentation10:20
mdkebut I didn't have any feedback on the reorganisation thread so I may try and bump it again10:20
smthink I'll remove rename/reparent permission from FrontPage as well as delete10:21
mdkeoh cool good idea10:21
smsooner or later someone would rename, more time wasted10:21
mdkewhenever pages are lost its normally because they get renamed10:22
mdkeand turned into a userpage ;)10:22
sm3000 edits in the last two weeks10:24
mdkeyeah i had some trouble downloading too10:24
mdkegmail pop access was aching and groaning10:25
=== sm is a pretty happy fastmail imap user
mdkei don't know much about email10:26
mdkei need to investigate further10:26
smyou must be a moin markup expert by now, eh10:26
smdid you know it when you started ?10:27
mdkeno but its quite simple right?10:28
smI guess so10:28
smwhat's your opinion of it now ?10:28
mdkeactually i don't do anything complicated10:28
smI've never really learned it10:28
mdkeits fine, pretty simple10:28
mdkehave there been any zwiki upgrades in our wiki?10:29
smI got one done a couple of weeks ago10:32
smhttp://zwiki.org/FrontPage/zwiki_version 10:32
mdkemoin macros aren't supported are they?10:32
smno10:32
smhttp://zwiki.org/ReleaseNotes10:33
mdkeis that because you don't support it upstream or it just isn't activated?10:33
smI think we were running 0.3410:33
mdke*cliks*10:33
smit isn't supported in the code10:33
smie work needed10:33
mdkeok10:33
mdke0.39 here10:33
mdkehave you seen the UbuntuDownUnder breakaway wiki?10:33
smnot yet10:34
mdkei'm not entirely sure what the reason behind trying a new one out is, or what the intention is for the future10:34
smis anyone ever.. :)10:37
claudemaybe zwiki too sluggish10:37
smis the new plone skin any better speedwise  ?10:38
mdkei thought it was the same10:39
mdkeoh the new skin10:39
mdkea bit better10:39
mdkebut its not that slow, and the effort involved in migrating might not justify it10:40
mdkei think the site is just quite slow in general10:40
claudezope based :(10:40
claudegood app server when apache in front10:41
claudebut slow when many edits10:41
smclaude, have you tried alt = ?10:42
claudealt = ?? do you mean other app servers ?10:43
mdketry pressing alt and =10:43
smit's a faster skin10:43
claudeoh...10:44
smto change back, you'll need to use http://www.ubuntulinux.org/personalize_form10:44
claudek10:45
smand you'll need to reload pages if you don't see it, etc.. described at WikiTips10:45
mdkesm, the other day I was having issues with zopeedit, same as before10:45
mdkeseems like its not with all pages tho10:45
smI'd like to see it10:45
mdkei'll install it on this box and give it a try, see if I can find some pages that don't work10:46
mdkeactually no i'll brb on my lappy10:49
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smthe site does seem very sluggish right now10:51
smwell.. intermittently10:52
mdkeyeah i think its a hangover from the ISP issues they've had after release10:53
smseems ok now10:53
smafter a zope restart, things are slow until you visit a few pages and warm up the cache10:53
mdkestill slow here10:56
mdkesm, ok getting that error with zopeedit now10:58
mdkecurrently editing http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocaleConf10:58
smlet me know when to try.. it's locked right now11:00
mdkei'll exit11:00
smalso see if you edit again, do you still get it11:01
mdkeyes11:02
mdkejust tried now11:02
smwhat's the error.. popup when you try to save ?11:02
mdkehttp://mdke.mine.nu/images/zopeedit.png11:03
mdkeyeah11:03
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smsite is sloow11:10
smmy edit worked fine11:10
smcan you try another11:10
mdkesame page?11:10
smyup11:10
smI added test at the bottom.. try removing that11:10
mdkestill fails11:12
mdkelemme reload the page and try11:12
mdkesm, now when I open it, i don't see your "test" in gedit, even though i see it on the page11:14
smbah, caching trouble11:14
smwhat if you shift reload in your browser.. then ext edit again ?11:14
mdkeyeah that's what I did11:14
mdkefine on the page, not on the editor11:14
smwhat if you remove the temporary extedit file(s) in /tm11:15
sm /tmp11:15
mdkematt@kallisto:~$ rm /tmp/tmp11:15
mdketmp0cEyPx-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html11:15
mdketmp_aq0_i-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~11:15
mdketmpjsDfMS-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~11:15
mdketmpsQJSiR-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~11:15
mdkedeleting and trying again11:15
mdkelol still don't see your "test" at the bottom11:16
smI don't know why your external edit script doesn't see the latest and mine does11:18
smany stray ext edit processes running ?11:18
smquit & restart browser ?11:19
mdkethat's done it11:22
smfirefox not downloading a fresh copy for extedit ?11:22
mdkeweird11:22
mdkedo you use firefox?11:22
smI've seen that in other circumstances, rarely11:22
smyes11:22
mdkeremoving the edit has worked11:23
mdkeis it possible that taking a certain amount of time might cause it not to work, or maybe making a certain amount of changes?11:23
smI don't think so11:23
mdkelemme try again11:23
smI think we must chalk that up to the caching setup11:23
mdkei just changed it to moin and it worked11:24
mdkei reckon its the time taken11:24
smI think you just got a stale copy from one of the alternate ubuntu zeo clients, squid hosts or whatever it is11:25
smand firefox lost track of which was latest11:25
mdkebut that's the first time I tried to edit that page11:25
smdoesn't matter11:26
mdkeok now it seems like all the edits are working11:26
smyou can visit a page for the first time and get a slightly stale copy11:26
smit's just the way they have things set up there11:26
mdkecan we do anything about it?11:26
mdkeis it worth filing a bug?11:26
smI think it's in bugzilla11:26
smgetting anything done about it in the near future seems unlikely11:27
mdkei have to say I'm not impressed at all with the speed of dealing with website bugs in bugzilla11:27
smI would try to get the single-consistent-url issue resolved first11:27
mdkethe bugs don't get assigned and no one responds11:27
smyup11:27
smI think there's noone assigned to such work11:28
smand they're hard11:28
mdkehmm11:28
mdkeshame11:28
mdkebecause now our website looks good, it is a shame that it is unprofessional11:28
smalso the people with access and the people with know-how are different11:29
smyes, it is a shame11:29
mdkemeh11:29
mdkeis the technical board a reasonable place to raise such an issue do you think?11:30
smI think as long as there's doubt about the continued use of plone, noone's going to spend further time on that particular issue11:30
smI can imagine some would rather dump plone than spend further time on it :)11:30
mdkemeh11:33
mdkeever thought about applying for a fulltime job with canonical?11:34
smit crossed my mind11:35
smnot sure I'd be much help with that caching issue though11:36
smI think if they do less caching, the site will not scale so well11:36
mdkei bet they need good webmasters tho11:37
smafaik canonical has good plone/zope/squid people.. one anyway.. but they're being used for other things11:37
mdkeoh right11:37
mdkeso its just a question of manpower11:37
smpriorites, I guess11:37
smI imagine it's hard to take people off hoary to optimise the website11:38
mdkewell surely they keep OS developers and webmasters separate?11:38
mdkethey are working a lot on launchpad right now i think11:38
smwhat's launchpad ?11:42
mdkehttp://launchpad.ubuntu.com11:43
mdkeit has a new bug reporting interface, and "Rosetta", a translating interface, and some other stuff11:44
mdkei wonder where to parent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/QuantumLogicCorporation11:46
smI see11:46
claudecya11:47
smsee you11:47
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smmdke: doesn't seem ubuntu-specific.. probably would fit under a consultants/support page11:48
mdkeits not ubuntu specific but its being built by ubuntu peeps i believe11:48
smonly an hour old though11:48
mdkeoh sorry i thought you were talking about launchpad11:49

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