[03:17] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:04] <jsgotangco> hi Burgundavia
[05:05] <Burgundavia> salut
[05:35] <jsgotangco> brb /reboot to test kubuntu
[05:57] <jsgotangco> im sorry i am now a Konvert
[05:58] <Burgundavia> bah
[05:58] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:50] <froud> African Greetings
[07:53] <Burgundavia> salut
[07:58] <Burgundavia> froud, what is the longterm plan for the svn repo in terms of branches and trunk?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> I  am little confused
[07:58] <froud> what's the problem
[07:58] <Burgundavia> nothing, just looking for info
[07:58] <froud> When I am finished in branch I will merge to trunk
[07:58] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:58] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:59] <Burgundavia> that is what I thought
[07:59] <froud> in the interim people can continue working on trunk
[07:59] <Burgundavia> for new stuff, should I check into the branches?
[07:59] <froud> you can work in either branch or trunk
[07:59] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:59] <froud> it's up to you
[08:00] <froud> I did it in branches so as not to disrupt the trunk
[08:00] <froud> it gets confusing when your document keeps moving around
[08:04] <Burgundavia> oh crap
[08:04] <Burgundavia> I think I just made a huge huge error
[08:05] <froud> what error
[08:05] <Burgundavia> my gpg key
[08:05] <froud> what about it
[08:14] <froud> hmmm, no just your public key
[08:37] <jsgotangco> hail froud
[08:38] <jsgotangco> i have been konquered
[08:49] <Burgundavia> bah
[08:50] <froud> jsgotangco: welcome
[08:51] <froud> jsgotangco: isn't kde just a pleasure to work with after working with an arcain desktop like gnome?
[08:58] <jsgotangco> aye my desktop is much snappier now i noticed and the fonts are good
[08:58] <jsgotangco> but where oh where is my esvn shortcut?
[08:59] <froud> under development?
[08:59] <jsgotangco> i only have bluefish
[08:59] <jsgotangco> hrrmm
[08:59] <jsgotangco> ill just add a manual link
[08:59] <froud> can do
[08:59] <froud> I normally add eSvn to th ekicker
[09:00] <jsgotangco> jeezz kde 3.4 is just miles ahead
[09:00] <froud> I know
[09:00] <jsgotangco> riddell just did something that surpassed ubuntu gnome imo
[09:01] <froud> btw did you know that in konqueror you can just do media://
[09:01] <froud> yeah Riddle is good, been with KDE for long
[09:02] <froud> The HAL Layer integration is really cool
[09:02] <jsgotangco> ill most likely keep this and help out with kubuntu
[09:03] <jsgotangco> but the kicker says 5.4
[09:03] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:03] <jsgotangco> not 5.04
[09:03] <froud> Brilliant, I need doc members for kde docs
[09:03] <froud> yeah seems we weren't the only ones who got it wrong :-)
[09:03] <froud> but we fixed it
[09:12] <jsgotangco> froud: when do we get action into branch when breezy opens i guess?
[09:13] <froud> we dont action in branch
[09:13] <jsgotangco> we still do trunk?
[09:13] <froud> we are just making changes to our structure there
[09:13] <froud> I will merge back into trunk
[09:13] <froud> and then we work in trunk
[09:14] <jsgotangco> hmmm so i guess theres no use in keeping my wc of branch here
[09:14] <froud> well if you want to work on the branch you must keep it
[09:14] <froud> if not then rm
[09:15] <froud> if you did a checkout from repos/ then the restructure branch will disappear when I merge to trunk
[09:16] <jsgotangco> i did make a checkout
[09:17] <froud> form where, the branches/ or the repos/
[09:17] <froud> when you do checkout from repos/ you get the tags/ branches/ trunk/ vendor/ directories
[09:18] <jsgotangco> repos/branches/restructure
[09:18] <jsgotangco> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/restructure
[09:18] <froud> OK so that means if you are not going to work on branch that you will not need it
[09:19] <jsgotangco> what work is there to do in branch anyway?
[09:19] <froud> just the restructure stuff
[09:19] <jsgotangco> ok ill just remove this then
[09:19] <froud> sure
[09:41] <jsgotangco> you forgot your keys?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> no, even stupider
[09:43] <Burgundavia> I reinstalled, that is all you should need to know
[09:49] <jsgotangco> arrgghhh
[09:51] <Burgundavia> luckily, I have a revoking cert, and nobody has signed it yet
[10:40] <Kinnison> Morning all
[10:40] <froud> morn
[10:40] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: silly moo
[10:48] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison 
[10:48] <Burgundavia> better to learn now then later
[10:49] <Kinnison> Or rather, $60 so that you have one which won't die
[10:52] <jsgotangco> HI
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i use the Buffalo brand made in japan
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i once left it in the dash of my car on midday and i thought it was fried
[10:53] <jsgotangco> but it still works
[10:55] <Burgundavia> a had one that survived the washing machine long enough for me to raw dump the data off of it
[10:57] <jsgotangco> jeezz im beginning to love KDE more
[10:57] <jsgotangco> somebody slap me before i become one of them
[10:57] <Burgundavia> resist the dark side my son
[10:58] <froud> leave him alone before I set Kongi on you
[10:58] <Burgundavia> 3 feet tall and all fight. My gnomes will take your dragon any day
[10:58] <froud> breath of fire
[10:59] <Burgundavia> evasion
[10:59] <froud> dynamite comes in small packages
[11:01] <jsgotangco> why oh why Konqueror is more superior on browsing samba shares than nautilus
[11:01] <Burgundavia> Nautilus is semi-crap
[11:01] <jsgotangco> -1
[11:55] <jsgotangco> hello
[11:55] <mdke> hi all
[11:55] <jsgotangco> hi mdke
[11:55] <jsgotangco> i got Konquered
[11:55] <froud> mdke: hello
[11:55] <mdke> hi froud, jsgotangco 
[11:56] <froud> hope you are well after yesterdays teasing :-)
[11:56] <mdke> good thanks :)
[11:56] <jsgotangco> nyahaha
[11:56] <mdke> you?
[11:56] <froud> good
[11:56] <jsgotangco> i should have saved the logs
[11:56] <mdke> jsgotangco, i have em
[11:56] <jsgotangco> woohooo proof of treason eh?
[11:56] <mdke> i always log ;)
[11:57] <mdke> plus boglot has em too
[11:57] <jsgotangco> ooohhh
[11:57] <jsgotangco> i didnt know that
[11:57] <mdke> heh
[11:57] <mdke> he does lots of channels
[11:58] <mdke> its a cool service
[11:58] <jsgotangco> hmmm launchpad is borked?
[11:58] <mdke> yes
[11:58] <mdke> they are updating
[11:58] <mdke> yay!
[11:59] <jsgotangco> 502 Bad Gateway
[12:02] <mdke> yeap
[12:08] <jsgotangco> mdke i cant see you in the map did you add yourself?
[12:08] <mdke> heh
[12:08] <mdke> difficult to find us europeans on the map
[12:09] <jsgotangco> yah
[12:09] <mdke> you should be able to find me on the list tho
[12:09] <jsgotangco> i have my dot for myself
[12:09] <mdke> i reckon i've got to be the closest to 0 longtitude
[03:22] <jjesse> wow lots of updates over the weekend it seems
[04:34] <jjesse> exit
[07:13] <carlos> hi
[07:17] <Flonne> Hi.
[07:24] <jjesse> hello
[07:26] <mdke> hi carlos Flonne jjesse daven 
[07:30] <mdke> hi sdoyle 
[07:31] <sdoyle> hey
[07:35] <daven> hiya
[08:26] <mdke> hi Cturtle claude :)
[08:30] <carlos> mdke: I will need some help with the FAQ format. I'm not too used to wiki (at least Ubuntu's wiki does not work as the one I usually work with)
[08:30] <mdke> carlos, i'd be really happy to help finally
[08:30] <carlos> mdke: how could I get some love from ubuntu-doc?
[08:31] <carlos> mdke: thank you
[08:31] <mdke> carlos, just dump it in plain text and i'll clear it up
[08:31] <mdke> carlos, or if you prefer, just ask questions :)
[08:31] <carlos> feel free to improve the English text also :-)
[08:31] <mdke> mate your english is great
[08:32] <carlos> mdke: I don't have time to fight with it now, if you can add some formatting to the current faq, I will learn from it 
[08:32] <mdke> carlos, be happy to
[08:32] <carlos> mdke: thank you
[08:34] <mdke> carlos, is it done already?
[08:34] <carlos> yes
[08:34] <carlos> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaFAQs
[08:34] <mdke> ok
[08:35] <claude> Rosetta FAQ ? great :)
[08:37] <carlos> claude: I'm tired to answer always the same questions at rosetta-users :-)
[08:37] <mdke> yeah its a good idea
[08:37] <claude> +1
[08:37] <mdke> heh
[08:38] <carlos> feel free to add anything there, if you don't know the answer, add the question and point me to it so I will try to answer it, ok?
[08:38] <claude> carlos: what about the languages variations (French, French(France), ...) ?
[08:38] <carlos> claude: yeah, I need to add it also there
[08:38] <mdke> i'll add a link to RosettaWishList
[08:38] <carlos> until we implement a way to restrict it in Rosetta
[08:39] <carlos> mdke: perfect, thanks
[08:47] <mdke> carlos, ok i've done a bit, its not exactly beautiful but hopefully it'll do
[08:48] <daven> wow - the formatting makes quite a difference! :)
[08:49] <carlos> mdke: it looks better than mine :-). Thank you!
[08:49] <daven> if only i knew what rosetta was i'd understand what a good FAQ it was :)
[08:49] <daven> i think i need to read a different faq to find out what rosetta is ;-)
[08:50] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta?
[08:50] <carlos> daven: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/+about
[08:50] <daven> gah! very good :) i really do just need to sit down and read!
[08:51] <daven> carlos, did you write your faq from scratch?
[08:52] <carlos> daven: from an email I sent to rosetta-users about two hours ago, why?
[08:53] <daven> carlos, i was just thinking that your english is good for a non-native
[08:53] <carlos> daven: thanks
[08:53] <mdke> :)
[08:58] <carlos> mdke: is there any way to add a list of all questions on the top with links to the answers under that list?
[08:58] <mdke> fraid not
[08:58] <carlos> ok
[08:58] <mdke> carlos, there is no anchoring in our wiki yet for Moin
[08:58] <mdke> :/
[09:02] <carlos> don't worry, I suppose we should split the faq into different pages when they grow too much.
[09:11] <carlos> mdke: any way to remove the "subtopics" links at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta ?
[09:11] <carlos> those links are already integrated into that page
[09:12] <mdke> no fraid not
[09:12] <mdke> its just the parenting system
[09:12] <carlos> ok
[09:12] <carlos> and last question for today :-)
[09:12] <mdke> shoot
[09:12] <carlos> RosettaFAQs or RosettaFAQ? what's better ? 
[09:13] <mdke> heh
[09:13] <mdke> good question
[09:13] <mdke> my opinion is FAQ, but that is only my personal opinion
[09:13] <mdke> i don't think it matters much tbh :)
[09:14] <carlos> Then, if people complains will change it  :-)
[09:14] <mdke> ok
[10:04] <sm> hey mdke, all
[10:06] <mdke> hey stranger :)
[10:06] <mdke> nice to see ya
[10:07] <mdke> sm, get my email about those icons?
[10:10] <sm> I did.. I'll do that now
[10:10] <mdke> yay
[10:14] <sm> iirc I just rename these to UserConfigPic.png, UserConfigPic2.png ?
[10:14] <sm> done
[10:14] <mdke> sm, thanks
[10:14] <mdke> sm, how you been?
[10:15] <sm> very good thanks.. and yourself ?
[10:15] <mdke> fine ty
[10:15] <sm> have been away from ubuntu site for a bit
[10:15] <sm> it's looking better now :)
[10:16] <mdke> yeah its pretty
[10:16] <mdke> still b0rked tho
[10:16] <sm> in what ways
[10:16] <mdke> well that redirect thing, and the cache stuff
[10:16] <sm> yeah.. :/
[10:16] <sm> I have a lot of list traffic to catch up on.. do you happen to know the status of FrontPage ?
[10:17] <sm> was the right one ever recovered ?
[10:17] <mdke> yes
[10:17] <mdke> it was rewritten
[10:17] <mdke> by that nice lady at canonical
[10:17] <mdke> i guess its not recoverable from recycle_bin because there is already an older one there?
[10:18] <sm> it looks good
[10:18] <sm> when a page is deleted more than once, multiple copies pile up in the recycle_bin.. FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage_2...
[10:18] <mdke> hmm
[10:19] <sm> I'm guessing all versions are in there
[10:19] <mdke> does the lady at canonical know that?
[10:19] <sm> I do not know
[10:19] <sm> the current looks about the best I've seen it, organization wise
[10:20] <mdke> still need to sort UserDocumentation
[10:20] <mdke> but I didn't have any feedback on the reorganisation thread so I may try and bump it again
[10:21] <sm> think I'll remove rename/reparent permission from FrontPage as well as delete
[10:21] <mdke> oh cool good idea
[10:21] <sm> sooner or later someone would rename, more time wasted
[10:22] <mdke> whenever pages are lost its normally because they get renamed
[10:22] <mdke> and turned into a userpage ;)
[10:24] <sm> 3000 edits in the last two weeks
[10:24] <mdke> yeah i had some trouble downloading too
[10:25] <mdke> gmail pop access was aching and groaning
[10:26] <mdke> i don't know much about email
[10:26] <mdke> i need to investigate further
[10:26] <sm> you must be a moin markup expert by now, eh
[10:27] <sm> did you know it when you started ?
[10:28] <mdke> no but its quite simple right?
[10:28] <sm> I guess so
[10:28] <sm> what's your opinion of it now ?
[10:28] <mdke> actually i don't do anything complicated
[10:28] <sm> I've never really learned it
[10:28] <mdke> its fine, pretty simple
[10:29] <mdke> have there been any zwiki upgrades in our wiki?
[10:32] <sm> I got one done a couple of weeks ago
[10:32] <sm> http://zwiki.org/FrontPage/zwiki_version 
[10:32] <mdke> moin macros aren't supported are they?
[10:32] <sm> no
[10:33] <sm> http://zwiki.org/ReleaseNotes
[10:33] <mdke> is that because you don't support it upstream or it just isn't activated?
[10:33] <sm> I think we were running 0.34
[10:33] <mdke> *cliks*
[10:33] <sm> it isn't supported in the code
[10:33] <sm> ie work needed
[10:33] <mdke> ok
[10:33] <mdke> 0.39 here
[10:33] <mdke> have you seen the UbuntuDownUnder breakaway wiki?
[10:34] <sm> not yet
[10:34] <mdke> i'm not entirely sure what the reason behind trying a new one out is, or what the intention is for the future
[10:37] <sm> is anyone ever.. :)
[10:37] <claude> maybe zwiki too sluggish
[10:38] <sm> is the new plone skin any better speedwise  ?
[10:39] <mdke> i thought it was the same
[10:39] <mdke> oh the new skin
[10:39] <mdke> a bit better
[10:40] <mdke> but its not that slow, and the effort involved in migrating might not justify it
[10:40] <mdke> i think the site is just quite slow in general
[10:40] <claude> zope based :(
[10:41] <claude> good app server when apache in front
[10:41] <claude> but slow when many edits
[10:42] <sm> claude, have you tried alt = ?
[10:43] <claude> alt = ?? do you mean other app servers ?
[10:43] <mdke> try pressing alt and =
[10:43] <sm> it's a faster skin
[10:44] <claude> oh...
[10:44] <sm> to change back, you'll need to use http://www.ubuntulinux.org/personalize_form
[10:45] <claude> k
[10:45] <sm> and you'll need to reload pages if you don't see it, etc.. described at WikiTips
[10:45] <mdke> sm, the other day I was having issues with zopeedit, same as before
[10:45] <mdke> seems like its not with all pages tho
[10:45] <sm> I'd like to see it
[10:46] <mdke> i'll install it on this box and give it a try, see if I can find some pages that don't work
[10:49] <mdke> actually no i'll brb on my lappy
[10:51] <sm> the site does seem very sluggish right now
[10:52] <sm> well.. intermittently
[10:53] <mdke> yeah i think its a hangover from the ISP issues they've had after release
[10:53] <sm> seems ok now
[10:53] <sm> after a zope restart, things are slow until you visit a few pages and warm up the cache
[10:56] <mdke> still slow here
[10:58] <mdke> sm, ok getting that error with zopeedit now
[10:58] <mdke> currently editing http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocaleConf
[11:00] <sm> let me know when to try.. it's locked right now
[11:00] <mdke> i'll exit
[11:01] <sm> also see if you edit again, do you still get it
[11:02] <mdke> yes
[11:02] <mdke> just tried now
[11:02] <sm> what's the error.. popup when you try to save ?
[11:03] <mdke> http://mdke.mine.nu/images/zopeedit.png
[11:03] <mdke> yeah
[11:10] <sm> site is sloow
[11:10] <sm> my edit worked fine
[11:10] <sm> can you try another
[11:10] <mdke> same page?
[11:10] <sm> yup
[11:10] <sm> I added test at the bottom.. try removing that
[11:12] <mdke> still fails
[11:12] <mdke> lemme reload the page and try
[11:14] <mdke> sm, now when I open it, i don't see your "test" in gedit, even though i see it on the page
[11:14] <sm> bah, caching trouble
[11:14] <sm> what if you shift reload in your browser.. then ext edit again ?
[11:14] <mdke> yeah that's what I did
[11:14] <mdke> fine on the page, not on the editor
[11:15] <sm> what if you remove the temporary extedit file(s) in /tm
[11:15] <sm>  /tmp
[11:15] <mdke> matt@kallisto:~$ rm /tmp/tmp
[11:15] <mdke> tmp0cEyPx-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html
[11:15] <mdke> tmp_aq0_i-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~
[11:15] <mdke> tmpjsDfMS-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~
[11:15] <mdke> tmpsQJSiR-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~
[11:15] <mdke> deleting and trying again
[11:16] <mdke> lol still don't see your "test" at the bottom
[11:18] <sm> I don't know why your external edit script doesn't see the latest and mine does
[11:18] <sm> any stray ext edit processes running ?
[11:19] <sm> quit & restart browser ?
[11:22] <mdke> that's done it
[11:22] <sm> firefox not downloading a fresh copy for extedit ?
[11:22] <mdke> weird
[11:22] <mdke> do you use firefox?
[11:22] <sm> I've seen that in other circumstances, rarely
[11:22] <sm> yes
[11:23] <mdke> removing the edit has worked
[11:23] <mdke> is it possible that taking a certain amount of time might cause it not to work, or maybe making a certain amount of changes?
[11:23] <sm> I don't think so
[11:23] <mdke> lemme try again
[11:23] <sm> I think we must chalk that up to the caching setup
[11:24] <mdke> i just changed it to moin and it worked
[11:24] <mdke> i reckon its the time taken
[11:25] <sm> I think you just got a stale copy from one of the alternate ubuntu zeo clients, squid hosts or whatever it is
[11:25] <sm> and firefox lost track of which was latest
[11:25] <mdke> but that's the first time I tried to edit that page
[11:26] <sm> doesn't matter
[11:26] <mdke> ok now it seems like all the edits are working
[11:26] <sm> you can visit a page for the first time and get a slightly stale copy
[11:26] <sm> it's just the way they have things set up there
[11:26] <mdke> can we do anything about it?
[11:26] <mdke> is it worth filing a bug?
[11:26] <sm> I think it's in bugzilla
[11:27] <sm> getting anything done about it in the near future seems unlikely
[11:27] <mdke> i have to say I'm not impressed at all with the speed of dealing with website bugs in bugzilla
[11:27] <sm> I would try to get the single-consistent-url issue resolved first
[11:27] <mdke> the bugs don't get assigned and no one responds
[11:27] <sm> yup
[11:28] <sm> I think there's noone assigned to such work
[11:28] <sm> and they're hard
[11:28] <mdke> hmm
[11:28] <mdke> shame
[11:28] <mdke> because now our website looks good, it is a shame that it is unprofessional
[11:29] <sm> also the people with access and the people with know-how are different
[11:29] <sm> yes, it is a shame
[11:29] <mdke> meh
[11:30] <mdke> is the technical board a reasonable place to raise such an issue do you think?
[11:30] <sm> I think as long as there's doubt about the continued use of plone, noone's going to spend further time on that particular issue
[11:30] <sm> I can imagine some would rather dump plone than spend further time on it :)
[11:33] <mdke> meh
[11:34] <mdke> ever thought about applying for a fulltime job with canonical?
[11:35] <sm> it crossed my mind
[11:36] <sm> not sure I'd be much help with that caching issue though
[11:36] <sm> I think if they do less caching, the site will not scale so well
[11:37] <mdke> i bet they need good webmasters tho
[11:37] <sm> afaik canonical has good plone/zope/squid people.. one anyway.. but they're being used for other things
[11:37] <mdke> oh right
[11:37] <mdke> so its just a question of manpower
[11:37] <sm> priorites, I guess
[11:38] <sm> I imagine it's hard to take people off hoary to optimise the website
[11:38] <mdke> well surely they keep OS developers and webmasters separate?
[11:38] <mdke> they are working a lot on launchpad right now i think
[11:42] <sm> what's launchpad ?
[11:43] <mdke> http://launchpad.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <mdke> it has a new bug reporting interface, and "Rosetta", a translating interface, and some other stuff
[11:46] <mdke> i wonder where to parent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/QuantumLogicCorporation
[11:46] <sm> I see
[11:47] <claude> cya
[11:47] <sm> see you
[11:48] <sm> mdke: doesn't seem ubuntu-specific.. probably would fit under a consultants/support page
[11:48] <mdke> its not ubuntu specific but its being built by ubuntu peeps i believe
[11:48] <sm> only an hour old though
[11:49] <mdke> oh sorry i thought you were talking about launchpad