=== daven [~davesheep@83.148.133.161.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:17] hello === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.134.11] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:04] hi Burgundavia [05:05] salut [05:35] brb /reboot to test kubuntu === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.134.11] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:57] im sorry i am now a Konvert [05:58] bah [05:58] hehe === froud-away is now known as froud [07:50] African Greetings [07:53] salut [07:58] froud, what is the longterm plan for the svn repo in terms of branches and trunk? [07:58] I am little confused [07:58] what's the problem [07:58] nothing, just looking for info [07:58] When I am finished in branch I will merge to trunk [07:58] ah [07:58] ok [07:59] that is what I thought [07:59] in the interim people can continue working on trunk [07:59] for new stuff, should I check into the branches? [07:59] you can work in either branch or trunk [07:59] ok [07:59] it's up to you [08:00] I did it in branches so as not to disrupt the trunk [08:00] it gets confusing when your document keeps moving around [08:04] oh crap [08:04] I think I just made a huge huge error [08:05] what error [08:05] my gpg key [08:05] what about it [08:14] hmmm, no just your public key [08:37] hail froud [08:38] i have been konquered [08:49] bah [08:50] jsgotangco: welcome [08:51] jsgotangco: isn't kde just a pleasure to work with after working with an arcain desktop like gnome? === Burgundavia spys something under the bridge [08:58] aye my desktop is much snappier now i noticed and the fonts are good [08:58] but where oh where is my esvn shortcut? [08:59] under development? [08:59] i only have bluefish [08:59] hrrmm [08:59] ill just add a manual link [08:59] can do [08:59] I normally add eSvn to th ekicker [09:00] jeezz kde 3.4 is just miles ahead [09:00] I know [09:00] riddell just did something that surpassed ubuntu gnome imo [09:01] btw did you know that in konqueror you can just do media:// [09:01] yeah Riddle is good, been with KDE for long [09:02] The HAL Layer integration is really cool [09:02] ill most likely keep this and help out with kubuntu [09:03] but the kicker says 5.4 [09:03] hehe [09:03] not 5.04 [09:03] Brilliant, I need doc members for kde docs [09:03] yeah seems we weren't the only ones who got it wrong :-) [09:03] but we fixed it [09:12] froud: when do we get action into branch when breezy opens i guess? [09:13] we dont action in branch [09:13] we still do trunk? [09:13] we are just making changes to our structure there [09:13] I will merge back into trunk [09:13] and then we work in trunk [09:14] hmmm so i guess theres no use in keeping my wc of branch here [09:14] well if you want to work on the branch you must keep it [09:14] if not then rm [09:15] if you did a checkout from repos/ then the restructure branch will disappear when I merge to trunk [09:16] i did make a checkout [09:17] form where, the branches/ or the repos/ [09:17] when you do checkout from repos/ you get the tags/ branches/ trunk/ vendor/ directories [09:18] repos/branches/restructure [09:18] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/restructure [09:18] OK so that means if you are not going to work on branch that you will not need it [09:19] what work is there to do in branch anyway? [09:19] just the restructure stuff [09:19] ok ill just remove this then [09:19] sure === Burgundavia is steamed at himself about the gpg thing [09:41] you forgot your keys? [09:42] no, even stupider [09:43] I reinstalled, that is all you should need to know [09:49] arrgghhh [09:51] luckily, I have a revoking cert, and nobody has signed it yet === froud [~froud@ndn-165-157-144.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:40] Morning all [10:40] morn [10:40] Burgundavia: silly moo [10:48] salut Kinnison [10:48] better to learn now then later === Kinnison nods === Kinnison recommends you spend the $20 on a usb keyfob [10:49] Or rather, $60 so that you have one which won't die === Kinnison recommends you find a retailer of Netac ones. The U220 is pretty good and metal [10:52] HI [10:53] i use the Buffalo brand made in japan [10:53] i once left it in the dash of my car on midday and i thought it was fried [10:53] but it still works [10:55] a had one that survived the washing machine long enough for me to raw dump the data off of it [10:57] jeezz im beginning to love KDE more [10:57] somebody slap me before i become one of them [10:57] resist the dark side my son [10:58] leave him alone before I set Kongi on you [10:58] 3 feet tall and all fight. My gnomes will take your dragon any day [10:58] breath of fire [10:59] evasion [10:59] dynamite comes in small packages === Kinnison worries that we should rename this channel #ubuntu-larpg [11:01] why oh why Konqueror is more superior on browsing samba shares than nautilus [11:01] Nautilus is semi-crap [11:01] -1 === herert [~fhh@AP-203.167.31.177.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:55] hello [11:55] hi all [11:55] hi mdke [11:55] i got Konquered [11:55] mdke: hello [11:55] hi froud, jsgotangco [11:56] hope you are well after yesterdays teasing :-) [11:56] good thanks :) [11:56] nyahaha [11:56] you? [11:56] good [11:56] i should have saved the logs [11:56] jsgotangco, i have em [11:56] woohooo proof of treason eh? [11:56] i always log ;) [11:57] plus boglot has em too === mdke points [11:57] ooohhh [11:57] i didnt know that [11:57] heh [11:57] he does lots of channels [11:58] its a cool service [11:58] hmmm launchpad is borked? [11:58] yes [11:58] they are updating [11:58] yay! [11:59] 502 Bad Gateway [12:02] yeap [12:08] mdke i cant see you in the map did you add yourself? [12:08] heh [12:08] difficult to find us europeans on the map [12:09] yah [12:09] you should be able to find me on the list tho [12:09] i have my dot for myself [12:09] i reckon i've got to be the closest to 0 longtitude === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-129.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:22] wow lots of updates over the weekend it seems === Skywind [~Skywind@218.94.37.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:34] exit === matt_ [~mdke@81-178-79-63.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Flonne [~rhx@S0106000d61453c6a.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === daven [~davesheep@83.148.133.161.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:13] hi [07:17] Hi. [07:24] hello [07:26] hi carlos Flonne jjesse daven === sdoyle [~scot@cpe-66-25-156-178.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:30] hi sdoyle [07:31] hey [07:35] hiya === sdoyle [~scot@cpe-66-25-156-178.austin.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === claude [~claude@89.76.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:26] hi Cturtle claude :) [08:30] mdke: I will need some help with the FAQ format. I'm not too used to wiki (at least Ubuntu's wiki does not work as the one I usually work with) [08:30] carlos, i'd be really happy to help finally [08:30] mdke: how could I get some love from ubuntu-doc? [08:31] mdke: thank you [08:31] carlos, just dump it in plain text and i'll clear it up [08:31] carlos, or if you prefer, just ask questions :) [08:31] feel free to improve the English text also :-) [08:31] mate your english is great [08:32] mdke: I don't have time to fight with it now, if you can add some formatting to the current faq, I will learn from it [08:32] carlos, be happy to [08:32] mdke: thank you [08:34] carlos, is it done already? [08:34] yes [08:34] https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaFAQs [08:34] ok [08:35] Rosetta FAQ ? great :) [08:37] claude: I'm tired to answer always the same questions at rosetta-users :-) [08:37] yeah its a good idea [08:37] +1 [08:37] heh [08:38] feel free to add anything there, if you don't know the answer, add the question and point me to it so I will try to answer it, ok? [08:38] carlos: what about the languages variations (French, French(France), ...) ? [08:38] claude: yeah, I need to add it also there [08:38] i'll add a link to RosettaWishList [08:38] until we implement a way to restrict it in Rosetta [08:39] mdke: perfect, thanks === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-61.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:47] carlos, ok i've done a bit, its not exactly beautiful but hopefully it'll do [08:48] wow - the formatting makes quite a difference! :) [08:49] mdke: it looks better than mine :-). Thank you! [08:49] if only i knew what rosetta was i'd understand what a good FAQ it was :) [08:49] i think i need to read a different faq to find out what rosetta is ;-) [08:50] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta? [08:50] daven: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/+about [08:50] gah! very good :) i really do just need to sit down and read! [08:51] carlos, did you write your faq from scratch? [08:52] daven: from an email I sent to rosetta-users about two hours ago, why? [08:53] carlos, i was just thinking that your english is good for a non-native [08:53] daven: thanks [08:53] :) [08:58] mdke: is there any way to add a list of all questions on the top with links to the answers under that list? [08:58] fraid not [08:58] ok [08:58] carlos, there is no anchoring in our wiki yet for Moin [08:58] :/ [09:02] don't worry, I suppose we should split the faq into different pages when they grow too much. [09:11] mdke: any way to remove the "subtopics" links at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta ? [09:11] those links are already integrated into that page [09:12] no fraid not [09:12] its just the parenting system [09:12] ok [09:12] and last question for today :-) [09:12] shoot [09:12] RosettaFAQs or RosettaFAQ? what's better ? [09:13] heh [09:13] good question [09:13] my opinion is FAQ, but that is only my personal opinion [09:13] i don't think it matters much tbh :) [09:14] Then, if people complains will change it :-) [09:14] ok === sladen_ [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sm [~simon@pool-71-106-30-248.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:04] hey mdke, all [10:06] hey stranger :) [10:06] nice to see ya [10:07] sm, get my email about those icons? [10:10] I did.. I'll do that now [10:10] yay [10:14] iirc I just rename these to UserConfigPic.png, UserConfigPic2.png ? [10:14] done [10:14] sm, thanks [10:14] sm, how you been? [10:15] very good thanks.. and yourself ? [10:15] fine ty [10:15] have been away from ubuntu site for a bit [10:15] it's looking better now :) [10:16] yeah its pretty [10:16] still b0rked tho [10:16] in what ways [10:16] well that redirect thing, and the cache stuff [10:16] yeah.. :/ [10:16] I have a lot of list traffic to catch up on.. do you happen to know the status of FrontPage ? [10:17] was the right one ever recovered ? [10:17] yes [10:17] it was rewritten [10:17] by that nice lady at canonical [10:17] i guess its not recoverable from recycle_bin because there is already an older one there? [10:18] it looks good [10:18] when a page is deleted more than once, multiple copies pile up in the recycle_bin.. FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage_2... [10:18] hmm [10:19] I'm guessing all versions are in there [10:19] does the lady at canonical know that? [10:19] I do not know [10:19] the current looks about the best I've seen it, organization wise [10:20] still need to sort UserDocumentation [10:20] but I didn't have any feedback on the reorganisation thread so I may try and bump it again [10:21] think I'll remove rename/reparent permission from FrontPage as well as delete [10:21] oh cool good idea [10:21] sooner or later someone would rename, more time wasted [10:22] whenever pages are lost its normally because they get renamed [10:22] and turned into a userpage ;) [10:24] 3000 edits in the last two weeks [10:24] yeah i had some trouble downloading too [10:25] gmail pop access was aching and groaning === sm is a pretty happy fastmail imap user [10:26] i don't know much about email [10:26] i need to investigate further [10:26] you must be a moin markup expert by now, eh [10:27] did you know it when you started ? [10:28] no but its quite simple right? [10:28] I guess so [10:28] what's your opinion of it now ? [10:28] actually i don't do anything complicated [10:28] I've never really learned it [10:28] its fine, pretty simple [10:29] have there been any zwiki upgrades in our wiki? [10:32] I got one done a couple of weeks ago [10:32] http://zwiki.org/FrontPage/zwiki_version [10:32] moin macros aren't supported are they? [10:32] no [10:33] http://zwiki.org/ReleaseNotes [10:33] is that because you don't support it upstream or it just isn't activated? [10:33] I think we were running 0.34 [10:33] *cliks* [10:33] it isn't supported in the code [10:33] ie work needed [10:33] ok [10:33] 0.39 here [10:33] have you seen the UbuntuDownUnder breakaway wiki? [10:34] not yet [10:34] i'm not entirely sure what the reason behind trying a new one out is, or what the intention is for the future [10:37] is anyone ever.. :) [10:37] maybe zwiki too sluggish [10:38] is the new plone skin any better speedwise ? [10:39] i thought it was the same [10:39] oh the new skin [10:39] a bit better [10:40] but its not that slow, and the effort involved in migrating might not justify it [10:40] i think the site is just quite slow in general [10:40] zope based :( [10:41] good app server when apache in front [10:41] but slow when many edits [10:42] claude, have you tried alt = ? [10:43] alt = ?? do you mean other app servers ? [10:43] try pressing alt and = [10:43] it's a faster skin [10:44] oh... [10:44] to change back, you'll need to use http://www.ubuntulinux.org/personalize_form [10:45] k [10:45] and you'll need to reload pages if you don't see it, etc.. described at WikiTips [10:45] sm, the other day I was having issues with zopeedit, same as before [10:45] seems like its not with all pages tho [10:45] I'd like to see it [10:46] i'll install it on this box and give it a try, see if I can find some pages that don't work [10:49] actually no i'll brb on my lappy === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:51] the site does seem very sluggish right now [10:52] well.. intermittently [10:53] yeah i think its a hangover from the ISP issues they've had after release [10:53] seems ok now [10:53] after a zope restart, things are slow until you visit a few pages and warm up the cache [10:56] still slow here [10:58] sm, ok getting that error with zopeedit now [10:58] currently editing http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocaleConf [11:00] let me know when to try.. it's locked right now [11:00] i'll exit [11:01] also see if you edit again, do you still get it [11:02] yes [11:02] just tried now [11:02] what's the error.. popup when you try to save ? [11:03] http://mdke.mine.nu/images/zopeedit.png [11:03] yeah === sm tries to ext-edit [11:10] site is sloow [11:10] my edit worked fine [11:10] can you try another [11:10] same page? [11:10] yup [11:10] I added test at the bottom.. try removing that [11:12] still fails [11:12] lemme reload the page and try [11:14] sm, now when I open it, i don't see your "test" in gedit, even though i see it on the page [11:14] bah, caching trouble [11:14] what if you shift reload in your browser.. then ext edit again ? [11:14] yeah that's what I did [11:14] fine on the page, not on the editor [11:15] what if you remove the temporary extedit file(s) in /tm [11:15] /tmp [11:15] matt@kallisto:~$ rm /tmp/tmp [11:15] tmp0cEyPx-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html [11:15] tmp_aq0_i-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~ [11:15] tmpjsDfMS-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~ [11:15] tmpsQJSiR-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~ [11:15] deleting and trying again [11:16] lol still don't see your "test" at the bottom [11:18] I don't know why your external edit script doesn't see the latest and mine does [11:18] any stray ext edit processes running ? [11:19] quit & restart browser ? [11:22] that's done it [11:22] firefox not downloading a fresh copy for extedit ? [11:22] weird [11:22] do you use firefox? [11:22] I've seen that in other circumstances, rarely [11:22] yes [11:23] removing the edit has worked [11:23] is it possible that taking a certain amount of time might cause it not to work, or maybe making a certain amount of changes? [11:23] I don't think so [11:23] lemme try again [11:23] I think we must chalk that up to the caching setup [11:24] i just changed it to moin and it worked [11:24] i reckon its the time taken [11:25] I think you just got a stale copy from one of the alternate ubuntu zeo clients, squid hosts or whatever it is [11:25] and firefox lost track of which was latest [11:25] but that's the first time I tried to edit that page [11:26] doesn't matter [11:26] ok now it seems like all the edits are working [11:26] you can visit a page for the first time and get a slightly stale copy [11:26] it's just the way they have things set up there [11:26] can we do anything about it? [11:26] is it worth filing a bug? [11:26] I think it's in bugzilla [11:27] getting anything done about it in the near future seems unlikely [11:27] i have to say I'm not impressed at all with the speed of dealing with website bugs in bugzilla [11:27] I would try to get the single-consistent-url issue resolved first [11:27] the bugs don't get assigned and no one responds [11:27] yup [11:28] I think there's noone assigned to such work [11:28] and they're hard [11:28] hmm [11:28] shame [11:28] because now our website looks good, it is a shame that it is unprofessional [11:29] also the people with access and the people with know-how are different [11:29] yes, it is a shame [11:29] meh [11:30] is the technical board a reasonable place to raise such an issue do you think? [11:30] I think as long as there's doubt about the continued use of plone, noone's going to spend further time on that particular issue [11:30] I can imagine some would rather dump plone than spend further time on it :) [11:33] meh [11:34] ever thought about applying for a fulltime job with canonical? [11:35] it crossed my mind [11:36] not sure I'd be much help with that caching issue though [11:36] I think if they do less caching, the site will not scale so well [11:37] i bet they need good webmasters tho [11:37] afaik canonical has good plone/zope/squid people.. one anyway.. but they're being used for other things [11:37] oh right [11:37] so its just a question of manpower [11:37] priorites, I guess [11:38] I imagine it's hard to take people off hoary to optimise the website [11:38] well surely they keep OS developers and webmasters separate? [11:38] they are working a lot on launchpad right now i think [11:42] what's launchpad ? [11:43] http://launchpad.ubuntu.com [11:44] it has a new bug reporting interface, and "Rosetta", a translating interface, and some other stuff [11:46] i wonder where to parent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/QuantumLogicCorporation [11:46] I see [11:47] cya [11:47] see you === claude [~claude@89.76.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [11:48] mdke: doesn't seem ubuntu-specific.. probably would fit under a consultants/support page [11:48] its not ubuntu specific but its being built by ubuntu peeps i believe [11:48]