=== jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:03] morning [05:37] g'm Fabio! [05:40] hey jeff === T-Bone [~varenet@T-Bone.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:02] ola [10:13] hey T- [10:13] ola fabbione! [10:14] fabbione : i like your mails: 45% text, 65% gpg key ;o] === T-Bone ducks! [10:14] it is still worth 100% of the data [10:14] not for me ;) [10:15] you are special [10:15] but that's not my fault [10:15] 1) because most of the time i don't read gpg signs, and 2) because i know how to fetch a gpg key ;) [10:15] :) [10:15] T-Bone: my MUA just tells me if the gpg sig is valid or not [10:15] well, it depends on which side you stand. from my PoV, *you* (damned Italian) are special ;o) [10:15] i don't read all the gpg crap [10:16] T-Bone: that works the otherway around with french [10:16] fabbione : when i use a MUA that can do gpg it does the same, yet it doesn't need to have the key in the message ;) And from work i'm bound to webmail, so gpg ain't much useful there ;) [10:16] fabbione : i knew you'd say that ;) [10:17] fabbione : so, how's the sparc port going? ;) [10:17] T-Bone: fine.. hoary main is all built and installable [10:17] lucky bee ;) === fabbione starts dropping hppa from l-s-2.6.12 [10:17] lol [10:18] no i am not kidding :) [10:18] that'd be fairly unfair, given the *very* reduced size of the patch [10:18] i need to rediff the patches [10:18] ah, you mean the old bloated patch? [10:18] yes.. but i got you anyway :P [10:18] that was good enough for me [10:18] yeah sure that one can be ditched. The new one shouldn't be more than a few 10s KB [10:18] you are so nasty with me :^P === T-Bone sad [10:19] no i still love you [10:19] no you don't [10:19] you hate me [10:19] i know you do === T-Bone sighs [10:19] =) [10:20] and that's all my parents' fault. I didn't choose to be born french, you know 8) [10:23] still not my problem :) [10:25] you insensitive fool! What would ya've said if ya were born french? 8)) [10:26] (and don't tell me you'd commit suicide, i wouldn't believe that ;) === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-190.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:27] i would probably be bashing other french :) [10:29] lol [10:29] you are sick in your head ;) [10:33] no, really??? [11:03] yeah, reeaaaaally 8) [11:14] so are you guys not planning on turning on DMA for cdroms and dvds? [11:14] (drives, that is) [11:15] no way [11:16] :/ [11:16] i rather prefer a user that complains about slow performance than people that can't use their CD/DVD at all [11:16] dilinger: or do you have good arguments on how to do it in a sane way? [11:16] but the number of people that can't use their cd/dvd at all due to dma is relatively small, and those devices should simply be blacklisted as not supporting DMA [11:17] the kernel has the functionality to do that already; people w/ nonworking cdroms should report them, so that we can add more to the blacklist === T-Bone concurs [11:18] hmmm [11:19] dilinger: i am afraid of landing in the a huge list to maintain outside the kernel [11:19] + i always had the feeling that DMA is way too much binded by chipset/cdrom combo [11:19] not just one or the other [11:20] it should be fairly easy to get patches to add blacklisted devices accepted upstream [11:22] we will take a look to it @ UDU === dilinger nods [11:22] i really don't want to take too many decisions right now [11:22] specially when we are 2 weeks far from it [11:22] i would recommend it as a breezy thing, certainly [11:22] and we are still far away to have a kernel for breezy :) [11:25] The God Father theme is amazing === fabbione will make an offer to T-Bone he can't refuse [11:25] hoho === T-Bone gets scared [11:25] a contract on my head? ;) === T-Bone watches fabbione play Don Corleone === fabbione reminds T-Bone that he has been living in sicily for a bunch of years [11:27] this isn't what scares me the most. What scares the hell out of me is that you've been living in sicily for so long and have moved to .dk. Yet, you're still alive. Means you've got strong connections ;o) [11:27] T-Bone: picciriddu [11:27] lol [11:27] I knew you were nuts but i didn't figured out how much ;) [11:29] T-Bone: you still don't know me enough... [11:29] fabbione : one of these i'll have you pay for treating me like a bambino ;) [11:29] this is still all inside my standards [11:29] T-Bone: you are a kid [11:29] if you say so ;) [11:30] you must be fsckin old geezer to "kid" me whilst i'm about a quarter century old ;) [11:31] i 1/3 century old kid [11:31] wow. Talk about a difference ;) [11:31] dude.. when i was turning on my first computer, you were still a dream in your father's testicles [11:31] no offence to your father :) [11:32] fabbione: you played with computers before you were eight? [11:32] i wonder [11:32] you've been turning on your first computer at the age of 5 or somethign? ;) [11:32] Mithrandir: i got my first zx81 when i was 6 [11:32] yes.. [11:32] i started learning basic at that time [11:32] fabbione: old man. I started playing with computers at the age of 1.5 :P [11:32] since it was almost impossible to find tapes with games :) [11:32] fabbione : pfff, spoiled child ;) [11:33] Mithrandir: ehehe === T-Bone is *glad* not to have fallen into computers too early [11:33] T-Bone: well yeah.. kinda [11:33] that's why i can enjoy *other* things in life ;) [11:34] T-Bone: so.. why are you spending time on hppa??? [11:34] fabbione : because i can [11:34] ;) [11:34] instead of going out scoring chicks? [11:34]

that's why i can enjoy *other* things in life ;) [11:34] i find difficult to consider hppa *other* things in life <- [11:35] fabbione : nonono, you don't get it. I'm the one being dated by chicks. I have little effort to do 8) [11:35] T-Bone: and do you wake up all swet in the morning after these dreams? [11:36] fabbione : lol; dude, you see, i may be a kid, yet i can enjoy some freedom you can no longer feel ;o) [11:36] (that was a proper lart! ;o) [11:37] T-Bone: are you so sure? :) [11:37] i do [11:37] ;) [11:38] and other things in life == guitar, sport (funboard, horse riding, ski, moutain climbing, etc), readings, do-it-yourself, parties, and girls dating ;) [11:38] (and that's only the major stuff) [11:39] actually you can s/guitar/music/ cause i'm diversifying in that area ;) [11:40] how can you be sure that i didn't elevated my way of pleasures to another level? [11:40] fabbione : i'm sorry, but i'm french. I have to live up to my country's expectation, wrt chicks. That may be the other point Italian and French are always arguing about: who are the most handsome?. My answer is "I am" ;o] ] [11:41] hmmm [11:41] i was actually talking to a more general level [11:41] not just chicks [11:41] i know [11:41] but still.. sometimes there is no need to score chicks to elevate your sexual pleasure [11:41] thinking of three-some.. orgies... === fabbione needs 5 minutes break [11:42] ewww [11:42] and you do that whilst married? ;) [11:42] what an surprising spouse you must have 8) === T-Bone contemplates good fortune material, btw =] [11:59] fabbione: are you a sopranos fan? [11:59] dilinger: nah.. just a mafia's fan :) [12:00] hehe [12:01] hmm 12rc2 is coming up nice and clean [12:02] specially now that i managed to track all the external drivers in details [12:03] it's kind of upsetting that linus is wasting his time working on yet another SCM instead of spending it on 2.6.12 [12:04] i read that thread.. but well i think he is only using it as PoC to see what he really wants/needs [12:05] i don't believe he will ever release a SCM === T-Bone wanders off for lunch, bbl === T-Bone is now known as T-Gone [12:08] food... it's almost a good idea [12:11] fabbione: i dunno, i'd still much rather see him pick a SCM that he likes the concept of, and help bring the code up to speed [12:34] dilinger: yes i agree... but still.... === T-Gone is now known as T-Bone [01:19] goodie goodies.... [01:19] all the non external-* patches are done (missing 2 to check that should be upstream) [01:20] all the external-* documentation is updated === wido [~wido@matrix.heim7.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:20] from now on it will be almost a breezy [01:20] moin guys [01:21] is reiser4 supported by the current kernel? [01:21] nope [01:21] couldn't find any reference on the homepage [01:21] it's too unstable to be shipped with ubuntu [01:21] perhaps for breezy [01:22] reiser4 is still a mess atm, indeed [01:22] ah, ok. then i have to figure uot a way how to backup my mp3s in order to install ubuntu [01:23] btw, reiser4 worked without problems on my gentoo box [01:24] reiser4 will be included when it's included in Linus's kernel [01:24] The patch is likely to apply to the Ubuntu sources though, so you can probably build your own [01:24] mjg59 : sounds like a wise word ;) [01:25] wido: for my experience with reiserfs4... it will enter ubuntu when Linus will bless it upstream [01:26] currently i don't care which filesystem i use. the only question was, if i could reuse my existing partions, or if i have to convert them in order to install ubuntu [01:26] fabbione : that's yet another point i won't discuss, for i agree ;o) [01:27] T-Bone: ahhaha [01:27] fabbione : see, we can tag along! ;) [01:27] wido: well it depends how you system is partitioned, but that's more #ubuntu question [01:27] T-Bone: die young kid! :P [01:27] lol === fabbione needs more coffee [01:28] we are looking good for 12rc2 [01:28] you rotten old geezer, i'll watch you burn to ashes =] [01:28] at least.. up till now [01:28] T-Bone: sure.. remember to vacuum clean afterwards... [01:28] i hate cleaning :) [01:29] LOL [01:29] ok guys. thanks for your answers === wido [~wido@matrix.heim7.tu-clausthal.de] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["If] [01:29] i think we scared him 8) [01:34] he is not the first.. won't be the last :) [01:34] probably not ;) [01:38] lamont : ping whenever you're around... === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:49] hey jbailey! [01:50] Heya Thibaut! [01:52] hey jbailey [01:53] Fabio! [01:55] gaah. My work is sooooooo boring :P [02:01] jbailey : btw, you're late. We've been talking about chicks n' sex a bit earlier. I'm sure you'd have had something to say 8) === jbailey blinks innocently. [02:01] *moi*? [02:01] oui! [02:03] fabbione was expressing some unappeased sexual fantasy 8) [02:04] T-Bone: fortune this: ..|.. [02:04] given he's an old geezer, he can't do much nowadays 8-D [02:04] T-Bone: i have a big reserve of viagra [02:04] fabbione : that's the difference man: i don't need viagra =] === T-Bone larts and larts more ;) [02:05] T-Bone: you will.. one day.. [02:05] you can't escape.. as much as i did [02:05] fabbione : maybe, when i'm an old geezer as you are, but i expect this to happen far later than it did for you ;o) [02:05] T-Bone: that because i managed to burn myself faster and better [02:05] because, you see, i'm french. Genes are helping ;o) [02:05] lol [02:06] no [02:06] that's because you lacked the potential to last longer =) [02:06] i doubt... [02:06] anyway.. i need to go out for a while [02:06] keep your larting queued for later :) === T-Bone suggests fabbione turn the other cheek so that he can do symetrical slapping ;) [02:06] i haven't finished with you little french punk [02:07] fabbione : i have a huge *pile* in the larting queue. Everything will come in time, i promise ;o) [02:07] T-Bone: be carefull.. you are close to shit out of the toilet.. on no .. wait.. you still wear diapers... [02:07] fabbione : neither have i with you, you damned italian clown ;) [02:07] LOL [02:07] ,. [02:07] later [02:07] cya === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:22] hey [02:23] i been offline most weekend since my computer f'cked up [02:24] zul: Yeah yeah, admit it - you wanted to enjoy the weather. [02:24] lol [02:25] and that..but soccer season ended for me on saturday we won the play-offs [02:25] meaning...im not sure [02:34] so which scm is linus using now? [02:50] fabbione: this is a brand new tree with a base-0 and im getting this error ... 1 conflicted items in this tree [02:50] how the hell do i find out what is conflicted? [02:52] arg. sometimes hacking ugly code on buggy material is hell of a pain :P === zooko [~user@blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:07] fabbione: Ping for when you're back? [03:32] jbailey: pong [03:33] fabbione: Where's the place to babble about initrd-tools hooks in the kernel package? I'd like an option in kernel-mg.conf to be able to choose a different initrd handler. [03:34] jbailey: probably kernel-package [03:35] As in, you'd like an enh filed on bugzilla? [03:35] jbailey: no, i had like a tested patch [03:35] Right. But do you want discussion around it first? [03:36] jbailey: sure.. we can either do it here or on kernel-team.. up to you [03:36] first explain me the problem [03:36] and what we need to achive [03:37] The idea is that I want to test my initramfs replacement. I can hack around the package all I want for now, but when it comes time to do a call for testing, I'd like to be able to give people 2 lines to add to their kernel-img file to hook to the initramfs generation stuff. [03:38] Same way as we do for grub and friends. [03:38] works for me.... [03:38] i don't see any problem with that [03:39] "break it early" works perfectly fine for me [03:39] + we can help testing it, if you can explain what this initramfs hack should do [03:40] fabbione: It's a complete rework of the initrd system that uses udev instead of devfs, and uses hotplug to detect the modules that need to be loaded rather than having all the ugly magic of trying to detect it at install time. [03:40] fabbione: There are some other clever bits, but those are the particularily important ones. [03:41] jbailey: hmm interesting... [03:41] jbailey: i think you want to look at kernel-package [03:41] it has the postinst files that gets smashed in the final linux-image [03:41] and that generates the initrd [03:41] now [03:42] the best way would be to modify such a best in a way that "if [ -e /etc/breakmehard ] ; then generate_initramfs; fi [03:42] so that you can add the changes even now [03:42] but they will be enabled only on demand [03:43] Hmm. I had been thinking of doing it the same way grub is handled: do_bootloader = no , posthook = update-grub [03:43] Rather than hardcode another constant idea in. [03:43] i know that make-kpkg has a bunch of hooks that can be installed at kernel build time [03:44] so perhaps you want to explore that option too [03:44] the most important thing for me are: [03:44] a) don't fork kernel-package [03:44] b) keep compatibility with the old stuff during development [03:44] if you can't respect b) you will block us on working/testing the kernel [03:45] a) it's a bit less important, but if you fork, you will also maintain in the future :) [03:45] so it's up to you :) === zooko [~user@blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["bye] [03:46] crappers.. [03:47] hi zul [03:47] hey fabbione, good weekend? [03:47] zul: yeah great [03:48] had big fun in London :) [03:48] good to hear...i hardly touched a computer this weekend [03:48] so im ready to get back to the grind ;) [03:49] zul: just gimme another 10/15 minutes [03:49] sure [03:49] i have a couple of interesting commits pending :) [03:49] we are almost ready to start the build orgy :P [03:49] like what? [03:49] all the patches are cleandup [03:49] missing a few bits here and there [03:49] all the external-drivers have been documented [03:50] but they still need updates [03:50] cool...i can update the drivers tonight once i get baz working again [03:50] shiney new hard drive this weekend :) [03:52] zul: that's an option [03:52] right now the only external that doesn't apply is inotify [03:52] so i was thinking to update inotify [03:52] and start the build orgy on i386 [03:52] yeah 0.22 is supposedly suppose to work [03:52] and update the drivers after we know that the core kernel can atleast compile [03:52] but that is what they said about 0.21 [03:53] zul: yes. they talk by revision numbers [03:53] are you going to try compiling it with gcc 4.0 [03:53] but i can reproduce the problem here so it will be easy to check [03:53] no.. we need to wait the greenlight from doko [03:53] ok.. [03:53] he said that the actual gcc-4.0 pre6 in ubuntu cannot compile the kernel [03:53] heh [03:53] so he was asking us to wait for pre7 or a ping from him [03:54] both ways work fine with me [03:54] we need to do much work before we can really switch to gcc-4 [03:54] like getting the new upstream working with the actual gcc [03:54] there are alot of warnings when compiling with gcc-4 [03:54] i think most of them have been cleaned up upstream [03:55] yeah well.. we are tracking upstream now :) [03:55] heh...we were always were...i was trying to at least ;) [03:57] ehehe [03:57] we are more bleeding edge now :) [03:57] just have to wait for linus to get his ass in gear ;) [03:58] yeah [04:01] heh..http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541 [04:03] old news [04:04] zul: do a baz update now [04:04] and tell how sexy 00list-1 looks like :) [04:05] zul: btw that article was posted on an ubuntu ml :) [04:06] heh so shoot me..i been stuck outside all weekend ;) === fabbione shoots zul [04:06] not literally [04:09] fabbione: not bad ;) [04:10] zul: sexy eh? [04:10] yeah i think you are missing a patch for inotify though [04:11] the first one that will break the name convention will be pubblically cross burned on top of the eiffel tower [04:11] zul: nope [04:11] so it will be t-bone since he is the closest to the eifel tower [04:11] zul: all the patches are there [04:12] inotiify = external + alpha sort = last one [04:12] but i am updating it right now to 0.22 [04:12] the disable inotify patch by default? [04:12] zul: i will drop it for now [04:13] ok [04:13] i will keep the source around, but we will not apply it [04:13] also because it will need rediff anyway [04:13] let see how my tests go [04:13] true... [04:13] and we can still stick it back [04:14] fsck...it says i have a conflict but its a pristine copy [04:14] zul: ? [04:15] is that baz? [04:15] 1 conflicted items in this tree. Please resolve each conflict with baz [04:15] yeah [04:16] WEIRD [04:16] let me check out [04:16] i should only need 2.6.11.90 in my arch should i? [04:16] zul: are you using baz from ubuntu or from the daily baz build? [04:17] baz from ubuntu [04:17] Bazaar version 1.2 (thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.2[bazaar--devo.cfg] ) [04:17] i am testing [04:17] deb http://bazaar.canonical.com/packages/debs/ ./ [04:17] i use this one [04:18] but let me check [04:18] 1.3? [04:18] yeah [04:18] works fine here [04:18] try to get the tree again... [04:18] baz get kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90 debian/ [04:19] hmm...no default archive set [04:19] zul: sorry.. [04:19] i use the kernel archive as default [04:19] baz get kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90 debian/ [04:20] getting it [04:20] Enable full-sized data structures for core (BASE_FULL) [Y/n/?] (NEW) === fabbione grins [04:20] hmm? [04:21] Preemptible Kernel (PREEMPT) [Y/n/?] y [04:21] Preempt The Big Kernel Lock (PREEMPT_BKL) [Y/n/?] (NEW) ? [04:21] This option reduces the latency of the kernel by making the [04:21] big kernel lock preemptible. [04:21] Say Y here if you are building a kernel for a desktop system. [04:21] these are the new options for 2.6.12rc2... [04:21] ah [04:21] doesn't it ring a bell? [04:21] okies...nope it doesnt [04:23] fudge..PANIC: conflict applying patch in arch_build_revision [04:24] hmmmm [04:24] try to update baz and see if that fixes [04:24] tree already up to date [04:25] baz is really starting to get to me [04:29] sorry.. i was busing updating the config [04:29] not probs [04:29] try to use baz from the archive i pasted before [04:29] they might have broke compatibility or something [04:30] ill update my baz tonight then [04:30] zul: ok [04:30] i am building here :) [04:30] just for fun [04:30] :P [04:30] lamont : ping... [04:31] T-Bone: of the 3 hppa patches... [04:31] ditch them all [04:31] can i kill all of them and just grab the new one from cvs? [04:31] correct [04:31] ok [04:31] but only after i will have sparc kernels... [04:31] LOL [04:31] right now i am owning hppa :) [04:31] MUHA MUHA MUHA [04:32] i hate you, you silly little kernel caporal of my bollocks ;) [04:33] fabbione : in any case, this won't bring universe to sparc ;o) [04:33] jbailey : i'll have to bug you for hppa installer, btw ;) [04:34] "i hate you, you silly little kernel caporal of my bollocks ;)" i thought you said buttocks [04:34] lol [04:34] you psycho-perv [04:35] T-Bone: Erm, for Ubuntu or Grub2? [04:35] jbailey : for ubuntu. Grub2 is none of my concerns ;o) [04:35] we have palo... ;o) [04:36] Right. And I don't know enough about hppa stuff to port grub2 to that yet. Perhaps that can be an autumn project. [04:36] I'm more likely to do ia64 first. [04:36] you're the SM type, right? :) [04:36] Sure. Now decided if I'm a top or a bottom... [04:36] LOL [04:37] ;) [04:37] given the palo hack, i doubt it'll be easy to port something else to hppa :) [04:37] s/the// s/hack/hackyness/ [04:38] i am impressed.. it's compiling the modules! [04:38] Dude, can anything be uglier than booting on ia32? [04:38] hackery even. Call it whatever you like [04:38] without any failure.. yet [04:38] jbailey : fair enough ;) [04:39] fabbione : that's sparc? :) [04:39] fabbione: At some point I want to talk to you about sparc and glibc. =) [04:40] T-Bone: not yet [04:41] jbailey: anytime... [04:41] even now.. if you want to [04:42] In an hour would be better for me. [04:42]