[05:03] <fabbione> morning
[05:37] <jbailey> g'm Fabio!
[05:40] <fabbione> hey jeff
[10:02] <T-Bone> ola
[10:13] <fabbione> hey T-
[10:13] <T-Bone> ola fabbione!
[10:14] <T-Bone> fabbione : i like your mails: 45% text, 65% gpg key ;o] 
[10:14] <fabbione> it is still worth 100% of the data
[10:14] <T-Bone> not for me ;)
[10:15] <fabbione> you are special
[10:15] <fabbione> but that's not my fault
[10:15] <T-Bone> 1) because most of the time i don't read gpg signs, and 2) because i know how to fetch a gpg key ;)
[10:15] <fabbione> :)
[10:15] <fabbione> T-Bone: my MUA just tells me if the gpg sig is valid or not
[10:15] <T-Bone> well, it depends on which side you stand. from my PoV, *you* (damned Italian) are special ;o)
[10:15] <fabbione> i don't read all the gpg crap
[10:16] <fabbione> T-Bone: that works the otherway around with french
[10:16] <T-Bone> fabbione : when i use a MUA that can do gpg it does the same, yet it doesn't need to have the key in the message ;) And from work i'm bound to webmail, so gpg ain't much useful there ;)
[10:16] <T-Bone> fabbione : i knew you'd say that ;)
[10:17] <T-Bone> fabbione : so, how's the sparc port going? ;)
[10:17] <fabbione> T-Bone: fine.. hoary main is all built and installable
[10:17] <T-Bone> lucky bee ;)
[10:17] <T-Bone> lol
[10:18] <fabbione> no i am not kidding :)
[10:18] <T-Bone> that'd be fairly unfair, given the *very* reduced size of the patch
[10:18] <fabbione> i need to rediff the patches
[10:18] <T-Bone> ah, you mean the old bloated patch?
[10:18] <fabbione> yes.. but i got you anyway :P
[10:18] <fabbione> that was good enough for me
[10:18] <T-Bone> yeah sure that one can be ditched. The new one shouldn't be more than a few 10s KB
[10:18] <T-Bone> you are so nasty with me :^P
[10:19] <fabbione> no i still love you
[10:19] <T-Bone> no you don't
[10:19] <T-Bone> you hate me
[10:19] <T-Bone> i know you do
[10:19] <T-Bone> =)
[10:20] <T-Bone> and that's all my parents' fault. I didn't choose to be born french, you know 8)
[10:23] <fabbione> still not my problem :)
[10:25] <T-Bone> you insensitive fool! What would ya've said if ya were born french? 8))
[10:26] <T-Bone> (and don't tell me you'd commit suicide, i wouldn't believe that ;)
[10:27] <fabbione> i would probably be bashing other french :)
[10:29] <T-Bone> lol
[10:29] <T-Bone> you are sick in your head ;)
[10:33] <fabbione> no, really???
[11:03] <T-Bone> yeah, reeaaaaally 8)
[11:14] <dilinger> so are you guys not planning on turning on DMA for cdroms and dvds?
[11:14] <dilinger> (drives, that is)
[11:15] <fabbione> no way
[11:16] <dilinger> :/
[11:16] <fabbione> i rather prefer a user that complains about slow performance than people that can't use their CD/DVD at all
[11:16] <fabbione> dilinger: or do you have good arguments on how to do it in a sane way?
[11:16] <dilinger> but the number of people that can't use their cd/dvd at all due to dma is relatively small, and those devices should simply be blacklisted as not supporting DMA
[11:17] <dilinger> the kernel has the functionality to do that already; people w/ nonworking cdroms should report them, so that we can add more to the blacklist
[11:18] <fabbione> hmmm
[11:19] <fabbione> dilinger: i am afraid of landing in the a huge list to maintain outside the kernel
[11:19] <fabbione> + i always had the feeling that DMA is way too much binded by chipset/cdrom combo
[11:19] <fabbione> not just one or the other
[11:20] <dilinger> it should be fairly easy to get patches to add blacklisted devices accepted upstream
[11:22] <fabbione> we will take a look to it @ UDU
[11:22] <fabbione> i really don't want to take too many decisions right now
[11:22] <fabbione> specially when we are 2 weeks far from it
[11:22] <dilinger> i would recommend it as a breezy thing, certainly
[11:22] <fabbione> and we are still far away to have a kernel for breezy :)
[11:25] <fabbione> The God Father theme is amazing
[11:25] <T-Bone> hoho
[11:25] <T-Bone> a contract on my head? ;)
[11:27] <T-Bone> this isn't what scares me the most. What scares the hell out of me is that you've been living in sicily for so long and have moved to .dk. Yet, you're still alive. Means you've got strong connections ;o)
[11:27] <God_Father> T-Bone: picciriddu
[11:27] <T-Bone> lol
[11:27] <T-Bone> I knew you were nuts but i didn't figured out how much ;)
[11:29] <fabbione> T-Bone: you still don't know me enough...
[11:29] <T-Bone> fabbione : one of these i'll have you pay for treating me like a bambino ;)
[11:29] <fabbione> this is still all inside my standards
[11:29] <fabbione> T-Bone: you are a kid
[11:29] <T-Bone> if you say so ;)
[11:30] <T-Bone> you must be fsckin old geezer to "kid" me whilst i'm about a quarter century old ;)
[11:31] <fabbione> i 1/3 century old kid
[11:31] <T-Bone> wow. Talk about a difference ;)
[11:31] <fabbione> dude.. when i was turning on my first computer, you were still a dream in your father's testicles
[11:31] <fabbione> no offence to your father :)
[11:32] <Mithrandir> fabbione: you played with computers before you were eight?
[11:32] <T-Bone> i wonder
[11:32] <T-Bone> you've been turning on your first computer at the age of 5 or somethign? ;)
[11:32] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i got my first zx81 when i was 6
[11:32] <fabbione> yes..
[11:32] <fabbione> i started learning basic at that time
[11:32] <Mithrandir> fabbione: old man.  I started playing with computers at the age of 1.5 :P
[11:32] <fabbione> since it was almost impossible to find tapes with games :)
[11:32] <T-Bone> fabbione : pfff, spoiled child ;)
[11:33] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ehehe
[11:33] <fabbione> T-Bone: well yeah.. kinda
[11:33] <T-Bone> that's why i can enjoy *other* things in life ;)
[11:34] <fabbione> T-Bone: so.. why are you spending time on hppa???
[11:34] <T-Bone> fabbione : because i can
[11:34] <T-Bone> ;)
[11:34] <fabbione> instead of going out scoring chicks?
 that's why i can enjoy *other* things in life ;)
[11:34] <fabbione> i find difficult to consider hppa *other* things in life <-
[11:35] <T-Bone> fabbione : nonono, you don't get it. I'm the one being dated by chicks. I have little effort to do 8)
[11:35] <fabbione> T-Bone: and do you wake up all swet in the morning after these dreams?
[11:36] <T-Bone> fabbione : lol; dude, you see, i may be a kid, yet i can enjoy some freedom you can no longer feel ;o)
[11:36] <T-Bone> (that was a proper lart! ;o)
[11:37] <fabbione> T-Bone: are you so sure? :)
[11:37] <T-Bone> i do
[11:37] <T-Bone> ;)
[11:38] <T-Bone> and other things in life == guitar, sport (funboard, horse riding, ski, moutain climbing, etc), readings, do-it-yourself, parties, and girls dating ;)
[11:38] <T-Bone> (and that's only the major stuff)
[11:39] <T-Bone> actually you can s/guitar/music/ cause i'm diversifying in that area ;)
[11:40] <fabbione> how can you be sure that i didn't elevated my way of pleasures to another level?
[11:40] <T-Bone> fabbione : i'm sorry, but i'm french. I have to live up to my country's expectation, wrt chicks. That may be the other point Italian and French are always arguing about: who are the most handsome?. My answer is "I am" ;o] ] 
[11:41] <fabbione> hmmm
[11:41] <fabbione> i was actually talking to a more general level
[11:41] <fabbione> not just chicks
[11:41] <T-Bone> i know
[11:41] <fabbione> but still.. sometimes there is no need to score chicks to elevate your sexual pleasure
[11:41] <fabbione> thinking of three-some.. orgies...
[11:42] <T-Bone> ewww
[11:42] <T-Bone> and you do that whilst married? ;)
[11:42] <T-Bone> what an surprising spouse you must have 8)
[11:59] <dilinger> fabbione: are you a sopranos fan?
[11:59] <fabbione> dilinger: nah.. just a mafia's fan :)
[12:00] <dilinger> hehe
[12:01] <fabbione> hmm 12rc2 is coming up nice and clean
[12:02] <fabbione> specially now that i managed to track all the external drivers in details
[12:03] <dilinger> it's kind of upsetting that linus is wasting his time working on yet another SCM instead of spending it on 2.6.12
[12:04] <fabbione> i read that thread.. but well i think he is only using it as PoC to see what he really wants/needs
[12:05] <fabbione> i don't believe he will ever release a SCM
[12:08] <fabbione> food... it's almost a good idea
[12:11] <dilinger> fabbione: i dunno, i'd still much rather see him pick a SCM that he likes the concept of, and help bring the code up to speed
[12:34] <fabbione> dilinger: yes i agree... but still....
[01:19] <fabbione> goodie goodies....
[01:19] <fabbione> all the non external-* patches are done (missing 2 to check that should be upstream)
[01:20] <fabbione> all the external-* documentation is updated
[01:20] <fabbione> from now on it will be almost a breezy
[01:20] <wido> moin guys
[01:21] <wido> is reiser4 supported by the current kernel?
[01:21] <fabbione> nope
[01:21] <wido> couldn't find any reference on the homepage
[01:21] <fabbione> it's too unstable to be shipped with ubuntu
[01:21] <fabbione> perhaps for breezy
[01:22] <T-Bone> reiser4 is still a mess atm, indeed
[01:22] <wido> ah, ok. then i have to figure uot a way how to backup my mp3s in order to install ubuntu
[01:23] <wido> btw, reiser4 worked without problems on my gentoo box
[01:24] <mjg59> reiser4 will be included when it's included in Linus's kernel
[01:24] <mjg59> The patch is likely to apply to the Ubuntu sources though, so you can probably build your own
[01:24] <T-Bone> mjg59 : sounds like a wise word ;)
[01:25] <fabbione> wido: for my experience with reiserfs4... it will enter ubuntu when Linus will bless it upstream
[01:26] <wido> currently i don't care which filesystem i use. the only question was, if i could reuse my existing partions, or if i have to convert them in order to install ubuntu
[01:26] <T-Bone> fabbione : that's yet another point i won't discuss, for i agree ;o)
[01:27] <fabbione> T-Bone: ahhaha
[01:27] <T-Bone> fabbione : see, we can tag along! ;)
[01:27] <fabbione> wido: well it depends how you system is partitioned, but that's more #ubuntu question
[01:27] <fabbione> T-Bone: die young kid! :P
[01:27] <T-Bone> lol
[01:28] <fabbione> we are looking good for 12rc2
[01:28] <T-Bone> you rotten old geezer, i'll watch you burn to ashes =] 
[01:28] <fabbione> at least.. up till now
[01:28] <fabbione> T-Bone: sure.. remember to vacuum clean afterwards...
[01:28] <fabbione> i hate cleaning :)
[01:29] <T-Bone> LOL
[01:29] <wido> ok guys. thanks for your answers
[01:29] <T-Bone> i think we scared him 8)
[01:34] <fabbione> he is not the first.. won't be the last :)
[01:34] <T-Bone> probably not ;)
[01:38] <T-Bone> lamont : ping whenever you're around...
[01:49] <T-Bone> hey jbailey!
[01:50] <jbailey> Heya Thibaut!
[01:52] <fabbione> hey jbailey 
[01:53] <jbailey> Fabio!
[01:55] <T-Bone> gaah. My work is sooooooo boring :P
[02:01] <T-Bone> jbailey : btw, you're late. We've been talking about chicks n' sex a bit earlier. I'm sure you'd have had something to say 8)
[02:01] <jbailey> *moi*?
[02:01] <T-Bone> oui!
[02:03] <T-Bone> fabbione was expressing some unappeased sexual fantasy 8)
[02:04] <fabbione> T-Bone: fortune this: ..|..
[02:04] <T-Bone> given he's an old geezer, he can't do much nowadays 8-D
[02:04] <fabbione> T-Bone: i have a big reserve of viagra
[02:04] <T-Bone> fabbione : that's the difference man: i don't need viagra =] 
[02:05] <fabbione> T-Bone: you will.. one day..
[02:05] <fabbione> you can't escape.. as much as i did
[02:05] <T-Bone> fabbione : maybe, when i'm an old geezer as you are, but i expect this to happen far later than it did for you ;o)
[02:05] <fabbione> T-Bone: that because i managed to burn myself faster and better
[02:05] <T-Bone> because, you see, i'm french. Genes are helping ;o)
[02:05] <T-Bone> lol
[02:06] <T-Bone> no
[02:06] <T-Bone> that's because you lacked the potential to last longer =)
[02:06] <fabbione> i doubt...
[02:06] <fabbione> anyway.. i need to go out for a while
[02:06] <fabbione> keep your larting queued for later :)
[02:06] <fabbione> i haven't finished with you little french punk
[02:07] <T-Bone> fabbione : i have a huge *pile* in the larting queue. Everything will come in time, i promise ;o)
[02:07] <fabbione> T-Bone: be carefull.. you are close to shit out of the toilet.. on no .. wait.. you still wear diapers...
[02:07] <T-Bone> fabbione : neither have i with you, you damned italian clown ;)
[02:07] <T-Bone> LOL
[02:07] <fabbione> ,.
[02:07] <fabbione> later
[02:07] <T-Bone> cya
[02:22] <zul> hey
[02:23] <zul> i been offline most weekend since my computer f'cked up
[02:24] <jbailey> zul: Yeah yeah, admit it - you wanted to enjoy the weather.
[02:24] <T-Bone> lol
[02:25] <zul> and that..but soccer season ended for me on saturday we won the play-offs
[02:25] <zul> meaning...im not sure
[02:34] <zul> so which scm is linus using now?
[02:50] <zul> fabbione: this is a brand new tree with a base-0 and im getting this error ... 1 conflicted items in this tree
[02:50] <zul> how the hell do i find out what is conflicted?
[02:52] <T-Bone> arg. sometimes hacking ugly code on buggy material is hell of a pain :P
[03:07] <jbailey> fabbione: Ping for when you're back?
[03:32] <fabbione> jbailey: pong
[03:33] <jbailey> fabbione: Where's the place to babble about initrd-tools hooks in the kernel package?  I'd like an option in kernel-mg.conf to be able to choose a different initrd handler.
[03:34] <fabbione> jbailey: probably kernel-package
[03:35] <jbailey> As in, you'd like an enh filed on bugzilla?
[03:35] <fabbione> jbailey: no, i had like a tested patch
[03:35] <jbailey> Right.  But do you want discussion around it first?
[03:36] <fabbione> jbailey: sure.. we can either do it here or on kernel-team.. up to you
[03:36] <fabbione> first explain me the problem
[03:36] <fabbione> and what we need to achive
[03:37] <jbailey> The idea is that I want to test my initramfs replacement.  I can hack around the package all I want for now, but when it comes time to do a call for testing, I'd like to be able to give people 2 lines to add to their kernel-img file to hook to the initramfs generation stuff.
[03:38] <jbailey> Same way as we do for grub and friends.
[03:38] <fabbione> works for me....
[03:38] <fabbione> i don't see any problem with that
[03:39] <fabbione> "break it early" works perfectly fine for me
[03:39] <fabbione> + we can help testing it, if you can explain what this initramfs hack should do
[03:40] <jbailey> fabbione: It's a complete rework of the initrd system that uses udev instead of devfs, and uses hotplug to detect the modules that need to be loaded rather than having all the ugly magic of trying to detect it at install time.
[03:40] <jbailey> fabbione: There are some other clever bits, but those are the particularily important ones.
[03:41] <fabbione> jbailey: hmm interesting...
[03:41] <fabbione> jbailey: i think you want to look at kernel-package
[03:41] <fabbione> it has the postinst files that gets smashed in the final linux-image
[03:41] <fabbione> and that generates the initrd
[03:41] <fabbione> now
[03:42] <fabbione> the best way would be to modify such a best in a way that "if [ -e /etc/breakmehard ] ; then generate_initramfs; fi
[03:42] <fabbione> so that you can add the changes even now
[03:42] <fabbione> but they will be enabled only on demand
[03:43] <jbailey> Hmm.  I had been thinking of doing it the same way grub is handled:  do_bootloader = no , posthook = update-grub
[03:43] <jbailey> Rather than hardcode another constant idea in.
[03:43] <fabbione> i know that make-kpkg has a bunch of hooks that can be installed at kernel build time
[03:44] <fabbione> so perhaps you want to explore that option too
[03:44] <fabbione> the most important thing for me are:
[03:44] <fabbione> a) don't fork kernel-package
[03:44] <fabbione> b) keep compatibility with the old stuff during development
[03:44] <fabbione> if you can't respect b) you will block us on working/testing the kernel
[03:45] <fabbione> a) it's a bit less important, but if you fork, you will also maintain in the future :)
[03:45] <fabbione> so it's up to you :)
[03:46] <zul> crappers..
[03:47] <fabbione> hi zul
[03:47] <zul> hey fabbione, good weekend?
[03:47] <fabbione> zul: yeah great
[03:48] <fabbione> had big fun in London :)
[03:48] <zul> good to hear...i hardly  touched a computer this weekend
[03:48] <zul> so im ready to get back to the grind ;)
[03:49] <fabbione> zul: just gimme another 10/15 minutes
[03:49] <zul> sure
[03:49] <fabbione> i have a couple of interesting commits pending :)
[03:49] <fabbione> we are almost ready to start the build orgy :P
[03:49] <zul> like what?
[03:49] <fabbione> all the patches are cleandup
[03:49] <fabbione> missing a few bits here and there
[03:49] <fabbione> all the external-drivers have been documented
[03:50] <fabbione> but they still need updates
[03:50] <zul> cool...i can update the drivers tonight once i get baz working again
[03:50] <zul> shiney new hard drive this weekend :)
[03:52] <fabbione> zul: that's an option
[03:52] <fabbione> right now the only external that doesn't apply is inotify
[03:52] <fabbione> so i was thinking to update inotify
[03:52] <fabbione> and start the build orgy on i386
[03:52] <zul> yeah 0.22 is supposedly suppose to work
[03:52] <fabbione> and update the drivers after we know that the core kernel can atleast compile
[03:52] <zul> but that is what they said about 0.21
[03:53] <fabbione> zul: yes. they talk by revision numbers
[03:53] <zul> are you going to try compiling it with gcc 4.0
[03:53] <fabbione> but i can reproduce the problem here so it will be easy to check
[03:53] <fabbione> no.. we need to wait the greenlight from doko
[03:53] <zul> ok..
[03:53] <fabbione> he said that the actual gcc-4.0 pre6 in ubuntu cannot compile the kernel
[03:53] <zul> heh
[03:53] <fabbione> so he was asking us to wait for pre7 or a ping from him
[03:54] <fabbione> both ways work fine with me
[03:54] <fabbione> we need to do much work before we can really switch to gcc-4
[03:54] <fabbione> like getting the new upstream working with the actual gcc
[03:54] <zul> there are alot of warnings when compiling with gcc-4
[03:54] <zul> i think most of them have been cleaned up upstream
[03:55] <fabbione> yeah well.. we are tracking upstream now :)
[03:55] <zul> heh...we were always were...i was trying to at least ;)
[03:57] <fabbione> ehehe
[03:57] <fabbione> we are more bleeding edge now :)
[03:57] <zul> just have to wait for linus to get his ass in gear ;)
[03:58] <fabbione> yeah
[04:01] <zul> heh..http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
[04:03] <fabbione> old news
[04:04] <fabbione> zul: do a baz update now
[04:04] <fabbione> and tell how sexy 00list-1 looks like :)
[04:05] <fabbione> zul: btw that article was posted on an ubuntu ml :)
[04:06] <zul> heh so shoot me..i been stuck outside all weekend ;)
[04:06] <zul> not literally
[04:09] <zul> fabbione: not bad ;)
[04:10] <fabbione> zul: sexy eh?
[04:10] <zul> yeah i think you are missing a patch for inotify though
[04:11] <fabbione> the first one that will break the name convention will be pubblically cross burned on top of the eiffel tower
[04:11] <fabbione> zul: nope
[04:11] <zul> so it will be t-bone since he is the closest to the eifel tower
[04:11] <fabbione> zul: all the patches are there
[04:12] <fabbione> inotiify = external + alpha sort = last one
[04:12] <fabbione> but i am updating it right now to 0.22
[04:12] <zul> the disable inotify patch by default?
[04:12] <fabbione> zul: i will drop it for now
[04:13] <zul> ok
[04:13] <fabbione> i will keep the source around, but we will not apply it
[04:13] <fabbione> also because it will need rediff anyway
[04:13] <fabbione> let see how my tests go
[04:13] <zul> true...
[04:13] <fabbione> and we can still stick it back
[04:14] <zul> fsck...it says i have a conflict but its a pristine copy
[04:14] <fabbione> zul: ?
[04:15] <fabbione> is that baz?
[04:15] <zul> 1 conflicted items in this tree. Please resolve each conflict with baz 
[04:15] <zul> yeah
[04:16] <fabbione> WEIRD
[04:16] <fabbione> let me check out
[04:16] <zul> i should only need 2.6.11.90 in my arch should i?
[04:16] <fabbione> zul: are you using baz from ubuntu or from the daily baz build?
[04:17] <zul> baz from ubuntu
[04:17] <zul> Bazaar version 1.2 (thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.2[bazaar--devo.cfg] )
[04:17] <fabbione> i am testing
[04:17] <fabbione> deb http://bazaar.canonical.com/packages/debs/ ./
[04:17] <fabbione> i use this one
[04:18] <fabbione> but let me check
[04:18] <zul> 1.3?
[04:18] <fabbione> yeah
[04:18] <fabbione> works fine here
[04:18] <fabbione> try to get the tree again...
[04:18] <fabbione> baz get kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90 debian/
[04:19] <zul> hmm...no default archive set
[04:19] <fabbione> zul: sorry.. 
[04:19] <fabbione> i use the kernel archive as default
[04:19] <fabbione> baz get kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90 debian/
[04:20] <zul> getting it
[04:20] <fabbione>   Enable full-sized data structures for core (BASE_FULL) [Y/n/?]  (NEW) 
[04:20] <zul> hmm?
[04:21] <fabbione> Preemptible Kernel (PREEMPT) [Y/n/?]  y
[04:21] <fabbione>   Preempt The Big Kernel Lock (PREEMPT_BKL) [Y/n/?]  (NEW) ?
[04:21] <fabbione> This option reduces the latency of the kernel by making the
[04:21] <fabbione> big kernel lock preemptible.
[04:21] <fabbione> Say Y here if you are building a kernel for a desktop system.
[04:21] <fabbione> these are the new options for 2.6.12rc2...
[04:21] <zul> ah
[04:21] <fabbione> doesn't it ring a bell?
[04:21] <zul> okies...nope it doesnt
[04:23] <zul> fudge..PANIC: conflict applying patch in arch_build_revision
[04:24] <fabbione> hmmmm
[04:24] <fabbione> try to update baz and see if that fixes
[04:24] <zul> tree already up to date
[04:25] <zul> baz is really starting to get to me
[04:29] <fabbione> sorry.. i was busing updating the config
[04:29] <zul> not probs
[04:29] <fabbione> try to use baz from the archive i pasted before
[04:29] <fabbione> they might have broke compatibility or something
[04:30] <zul> ill update my baz tonight then
[04:30] <fabbione> zul: ok
[04:30] <fabbione> i am building here :)
[04:30] <fabbione> just for fun
[04:30] <zul> :P
[04:30] <T-Bone> lamont : ping...
[04:31] <fabbione> T-Bone: of the 3 hppa patches... 
[04:31] <T-Bone> ditch them all
[04:31] <fabbione> can i kill all of them and just grab the new one from cvs?
[04:31] <T-Bone> correct
[04:31] <fabbione> ok
[04:31] <fabbione> but only after i will have sparc kernels...
[04:31] <T-Bone> LOL
[04:31] <fabbione> right now i am owning hppa :)
[04:31] <fabbione> MUHA MUHA MUHA
[04:32] <T-Bone> i hate you, you silly little kernel caporal of my bollocks ;)
[04:33] <T-Bone> fabbione : in any case, this won't bring universe to sparc ;o)
[04:33] <T-Bone> jbailey : i'll have to bug you for hppa installer, btw ;)
[04:34] <zul> "i hate you, you silly little kernel caporal of my bollocks ;)" i thought you said buttocks
[04:34] <T-Bone> lol
[04:34] <T-Bone> you psycho-perv
[04:35] <jbailey> T-Bone: Erm, for Ubuntu or Grub2?
[04:35] <T-Bone> jbailey : for ubuntu. Grub2 is none of my concerns ;o)
[04:35] <T-Bone> we have palo... ;o)
[04:36] <jbailey> Right.  And I don't know enough about hppa stuff to port grub2 to that yet.  Perhaps that can be an autumn project.
[04:36] <jbailey> I'm more likely to do ia64 first.
[04:36] <T-Bone> you're the SM type, right? :)
[04:36] <jbailey> Sure.  Now decided if I'm a top or a bottom...
[04:36] <T-Bone> LOL
[04:37] <jbailey> ;)
[04:37] <T-Bone> given the palo hack, i doubt it'll be easy to port something else to hppa :)
[04:37] <T-Bone> s/the// s/hack/hackyness/
[04:38] <fabbione> i am impressed.. it's compiling the modules!
[04:38] <jbailey> Dude, can anything be uglier than booting on ia32?
[04:38] <T-Bone> hackery even. Call it whatever you like
[04:38] <fabbione> without any failure.. yet
[04:38] <T-Bone> jbailey : fair enough ;)
[04:39] <T-Bone> fabbione : that's sparc? :)
[04:39] <jbailey> fabbione: At some point I want to talk to you about sparc and glibc. =)
[04:40] <fabbione> T-Bone: not yet
[04:41] <fabbione> jbailey: anytime...
[04:41] <fabbione> even now.. if you want to
[04:42] <jbailey> In an hour would be better for me.
[04:42] <fabbione> hmm in one hour i might be off...
[04:43] <jbailey> Okay, now then makes as much sense as any other time. =)
[04:44] <fabbione> T-Bone: in anycase i would kid too much about sparc and universe.. because hoary it's building pretty fast and breezy isn't open yet
[04:44] <jbailey> I have 2.3.5 packages up here.  I haven't finished pushing all the Ubuntu modifications to it yet, but a question I have for each arch is which threading libraries to enable.
[04:44] <zul> is there a meeting this week?
[04:44] <fabbione> jbailey: well is it only question to try to build and test or to do something specific?
[04:44] <T-Bone> fabbione : yeah yeah. Thing is, we're about 95% up to date on hppa, and could get maybe 1 more point with KDE building ;)
[04:44] <fabbione> zul: 2
[04:45] <fabbione> T-Bone: see... i have kde builded :)
[04:45] <zul> 2?!
[04:45] <jbailey> I have a bias towards moving people to nptl online on as fast of a schedule as they can cope with, since: 1) LinuxThreads is considered deprecated by upstream.  2) The hacks to make both LT and NPTL are not supported by upstream and keep breaking in subtle ways. 3) It's far nicer to only have one threading library to support, especially considering that otherwise it automagically detects which one it should
[04:45] <jbailey>  use.
[04:45] <fabbione> zul: one tomorrow for the CC/TB and one in 2 days TB/CC
[04:45] <T-Bone> fabbione : i'd be glad to ask a few questions about that then. What i'm facing looks mostly like a circdep issue
[04:45] <fabbione> can't remember the order :)
[04:45] <zul> bleah..
[04:46] <fabbione> jbailey: i see.. but what can i do to help?
[04:46] <zul> hmmm...im might not make them..oh well
[04:46] <zul> fabbione: yeah it was the baz verison i was using
[04:46] <jbailey> The biggest blocker against NPTL is usually commerical software.  Folks with precompiled binaries that either make assumptions about threading layout, or use extern int errno, which nptl can't support (#include <errno.h> good)
[04:46] <fabbione> T-Bone: well i kept kicking back the packages
[04:46] <jbailey> fabbione: Tell me what the right thing for your pet arch is. =)
[04:47] <fabbione> jbailey: well afaik there are not many binary only drivers for sparc
[04:47] <jbailey> Not drivers, applications.
[04:47] <fabbione> so i think it is pretty safe to move
[04:47] <fabbione> i mean applications sorry
[04:47] <fabbione> at least not that i am aware of
[04:47] <T-Bone> fabbione : that's waht i'm doing. Yet, it complains that kdelibs aren't installed (which they are), and looking at config.log, it seems that the culprit is some QT lib missing
[04:48] <fabbione> usually companies that produce applications for sparc, run on slowlaris
[04:48] <jbailey> 'kay.  I should receive a sparc box later this week, I can do some testing.
[04:48] <jbailey> I don't know how iBCS interacts with the threading system.
[04:48] <fabbione> T-Bone: /var/cache/apt/archives is your enimy
[04:48] <T-Bone> fabbione : it's being regularly cleaned by me and the autobuilder.
[04:48] <jbailey> I think it's just a syscall wrapper, isn't it?  In which case Solaris emulation shouldn't be affected.
[04:48] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: is nekkid up?
[04:48] <fabbione> jbailey: to be hounest, i love sparc, but i don't know enough to play with libc and stuff like that
[04:48] <fabbione> it's too deep for me
[04:49] <fabbione> T-Bone: well.. do you ever update the chroot?
[04:49] <jbailey> fabbione: It's more the how prevalent is commercial applications.  The Free software world has already figured out generally how to cope.
[04:49] <fabbione> T-Bone: and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade must be done regularly
[04:50] <fabbione> jbailey: tbh for ubuntu we can switch as test platform
[04:50] <fabbione> we are not even officially released with sparc
[04:50] <fabbione> go ahead and do your changes
[04:50] <jbailey> fabbione: That would be lovely.
[04:50] <fabbione> we can still be the drive arch for it
[04:50] <T-Bone> fabbione : i do that too :P
[04:50] <jbailey> Thanks.  I'll test it enough to make sure that you at least have bash and apt working ;)
[04:50] <fabbione> i really don't mind to kill proprietary applications
[04:50] <fabbione> jbailey: i can test in a chroot.. can't i?
[04:50] <jbailey> fabbione: Sure. =)
[04:51] <fabbione> jbailey: plus i have an extra partition where i can isntall and run "natively"
[04:51] <jbailey> But I mean before I hand it to you, I'll make sure of that.
[04:51] <zul> heh someone broke the naming scheme
[04:51] <zul> parisc-irq.dpatch
[04:51] <fabbione> zul: right!
[04:51] <T-Bone> fabbione : give me a few secs, i'll show you the error
[04:51] <fabbione> let's burn T-Bone !
[04:51] <fabbione> T-Bone: no no.. you are the hppa porter.. go figure it yourself :P
[04:52] <fabbione> T-Bone: or now is time to call the oracle because of the experience?
[04:52] <T-Bone> zul : that's an *old* patch, when there was no such a thing a a naming scheme. Besides, if you have issues with that patch name, i suggest you discuss it with lamont.
[04:52] <zul> heh...
[04:52] <fabbione> ahhaa
[04:52] <zul> maybe i will..frog :)
[04:52] <T-Bone> zul : bear in mind that lamont is an pyrotechnist and expert in all kinds of explosives ;)
[04:53] <T-Bone> fabbione : you're so overconfident ;o)
[04:53] <zul> yeah i have to wear my flap jacket around him
[04:53] <T-Bone> fabbione : i'll call you the oracle if you can *actually* help me ;)
[04:53] <fabbione> T-Bone: you talk like if you can convince lamont to bomb us....
[04:54] <T-Bone> fabbione : i think it's pretty easy to convince lamont to bomb anyone getting in the way of Ubuntu hppa ;o))
[04:54] <fabbione> T-Bone: well fire the error log somewhere
[04:54] <zul> T-Bone: is lamont in michigan?
[04:54] <T-Bone> fabbione : generating it as I speak :)
[04:54] <fabbione> T-Bone: i guess you don't want a kernel anymore.. do you?
[04:54] <T-Bone> zul : lamont is everywhere ;)
[04:54] <T-Bone> fabbione : you can't do that. I'll put a contract on your feet (your head ain't worth it) if you do that ;o)
[04:55] <fabbione> yes i can :)
[04:55] <T-Bone> (on the feet, one can always grab a pair of shoes, if anything ;)
[04:55] <fabbione> oh hell
[04:55] <fabbione> fTBFS
[04:55] <fabbione> and you know where?
[04:55] <fabbione> right on one of this retarted external drivers
[04:56] <T-Bone> lol
[04:56] <T-Bone> Mithrandir : lol don't tempt me too much ;o)
[04:57] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: 16:48 < Mithrandir> T-Bone: is nekkid up?
[04:57] <T-Bone> Mithrandir : it'll be in 1h
[04:57] <Mithrandir> ok
[04:57] <Mithrandir> I need to trash her around a bit
[04:57] <T-Bone> (too bad i haven't hooked the serial cable, i could have powered it up now)
[04:57] <T-Bone> sure
[04:57] <Mithrandir> I'm doing a new ia32-libs, which is so horrible you can't imagine
[04:57] <T-Bone> i can
[04:57] <T-Bone> i've seen the old ones ;)
[04:58] <Mithrandir> this is worse
[04:58] <T-Bone> ewww
[04:58] <T-Bone> this must be *really* scary then ;}
[04:58] <Mithrandir> more ugly, actually
[04:58] <Mithrandir> since it supports both ubuntu and debian
[04:58] <Mithrandir> which puts libs in different places
[04:58] <T-Bone> yum!
[04:59] <T-Bone> aah. Iron Maiden is good to hear when hacking ;)
[05:00] <fabbione> T-Bone: iron maiden ++
[05:00] <T-Bone> fabbione : hehe ;)
[05:00] <fabbione> but right now i am in love with the God Father theme :)
[05:00] <T-Bone> lol
[05:00] <fabbione> * committed kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90--patch-21
[05:00] <fabbione> given this version.. you should be able to compile 2.6.12rc2
[05:00] <T-Bone> ain't "peachy" enough :)
[05:00] <fabbione> no config updates yet
[05:00] <fabbione> no hppa patches
[05:01] <T-Bone> (re GodFather theme)
[05:01] <fabbione> T-Bone: eeheh
[05:01] <fabbione> note: none of the external drivers (other than the one documented as | ok | are guarenteed to work)
[05:01] <fabbione> simply because they are obsoleted
[05:06] <zul> Maiden rocks..
[05:08] <T-Bone> heh. There ain't only Maiden in life. You'd be quite surprised at the range of music i enjoy. Eg, i'm now listening to "A Man Called Adam / Eastern Song", which could be classified as "ambient dub" probably ;)
[05:08] <T-Bone> s/Eastern/Easter/
[05:11] <zul> i listen to a vaiety as well: punk, metal, celtic, and classical 
[05:13] <zul> mostly system of a down right now though
[05:14] <T-Bone> fabbione : http://buildd.slashdirt.org/kde/ if you want to take a look
[05:14] <T-Bone> zul: I like Aerials quite much :)
[05:14] <zul> T-Bone: same..
[05:14] <T-Bone> and Boom does rock
[05:15] <zul> i been listening stuff from their new album ;)
[05:15] <T-Bone> hehe
[05:21] <fabbione> T-Bone: it looks to me like qt3-free-something has been miscompiled on hppa
[05:21] <fabbione> the UIC thing is not from kdelibs
[05:21] <fabbione> the error is bogus
[05:22] <fabbione> usr/share/qt3/bin/uic                                       devel/qt3-dev-tools
[05:22] <fabbione> qt3-dev-tools
[05:23] <T-Bone> fabbione : yeah the error is definitely bogus, that's what i think too
[05:23] <T-Bone> qt3-dev-tools-compat_3.3.3-7ubuntu3_hppa.deb
[05:23] <T-Bone> qt3-dev-tools-embedded_3.3.3-7ubuntu3_hppa.deb
[05:23] <T-Bone> qt3-dev-tools_3.3.3-7ubuntu3_hppa.deb
[05:23] <T-Bone> these are the packages i have available
[05:24] <fabbione> T-Bone: i would check the qt3-dev-tools build log and compare it with another arch
[05:24] <fabbione> T-Bone: yes.. same versions as the one used to build ia64
[05:24] <fabbione> but perhaps something in the log is different and worth checking
[05:24] <T-Bone> ok
[05:24] <fabbione> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.12-1-686' in `../linux-image-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.11.90-1_i386.deb'.
[05:24] <fabbione> YAY
[05:24] <T-Bone> thx for the hint, i'll look at that
[05:25] <fabbione> ok.. i am off
[05:25] <fabbione> cya tomorrow fellas
[05:25] <T-Bone> cya
[05:25] <zul> toodles
[05:42] <zul> lunch..
[05:50] <T-Bone> hey lamont!
[06:19] <fabbione> hey lamont 
[06:20] <fabbione> uname -a
[06:20] <fabbione> Linux gundam 2.6.12-1-686 #1 Mon Apr 11 16:35:21 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:20] <fabbione> impressive!
[06:20] <fabbione> it even boots!!!1
[06:20] <fabbione> lamont: if you can get around today to update the hppa patches, it would be very nice
[06:25] <lamont> fabbione: I'll make some time to work on that \
[06:26] <lamont> first I need to really do some mail to kernel-team for UDU, etc...
[06:26] <fabbione> lamont: sure.. don't worry.. if you don't get around it before i wake up tomorrow, i will do it
[06:27] <fabbione> mdz was also talking about setting goals for breezy
[06:27] <fabbione> and have a preliminary discussion done before
[06:27] <fabbione> including sabdfl 
[06:27] <fabbione> so perhaps you want to CC him?
[06:27] <fabbione> i don't think he is subbed to the mailing list
[06:27] <fabbione> there was also another thing.. who is actually moderating the mailing list?
[06:27] <fabbione> i keep receiving the mails about posts/subscription
[06:28] <fabbione> but i don't have the admini passwd
[06:36] <zul> me either
[06:44] <T-None> Mithrandir: nekkid is booting, all yours. Might want to update it...
[06:44] <Mithrandir> cool
[07:02] <lamont> fabbione: 2.6.11.90 is based on rc1 or rc2?
[07:03] <zul> rc2
[07:03] <zul> but im not fabbione :)
[07:03] <zul> you know those president bush masks we should make one a fabio mask
[07:20] <lamont> zul: hehe
[09:47] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: seems that nekkid is having issues
[09:47] <T-Bone> with hotplug, for a change
[09:48] <T-Bone> and since there ain't no kbd driver in the kernel, i'm fucked up
[09:49] <T-Bone> jbailey: wouldn't it be possible to have usb drivers loaded on the ramdisk? (that applies for ppc btw, and imho to any machine that has usb-only keyboards)
[09:51] <jbailey> T-Bone: Yup.  Just include them in /etc/mkinitrd/modules for now.
[09:52] <jbailey> T-Bone: I do that on my ppc64 box for testing initrd stuff.
[09:52] <T-Bone> jbailey: i don't understand why this has been changed again. I already had that problem, already pointed out how *stupid* it was not to have kbd working at that point, and IIRC the default was changed to something more coherent. I guess the change has been reverted at some point
[09:53] <T-Bone> jbailey: i'd love to include them, but for that to happen i'd need to have control over my machine, which i haven\t
[09:53] <jbailey> T-Bone: As far as I know, it's never been included in the initrd.
[09:53] <jbailey> T-Bone: It gives use insufficient sex.
[09:53] <jbailey> s/use/you/
[09:53] <T-Bone> jbailey: no. I think they were builtin
[09:53] <jbailey> Oh, I see.
[09:54] <jbailey> I can see not wanting them built-in when you're trying to get consistant configs.
[09:54] <T-Bone> (which wasn't very good, but at least much better than the present case, for i'll have to burn an ia64 cd, go into rescue mode and toy around
[09:54] <jbailey> But there's no reason to need them built-in.  The right thing is that your initrd should always include those bits.
[09:54] <T-Bone> of course it should
[09:54] <T-Bone> i'm glad i'm not the only one to think that way :P
[09:55] <T-Bone> this is so pissing me off: it's a simple matter of ctrl-C'ing the fucker, and i can't do that :(
[09:55] <T-Bone> i *hate* hotplug when used in stupid ways :P
[09:56] <T-Bone> btw that's a poorly designed script: it should have timeout mechanisms :P
[09:57] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: i'm sorry, you'll have to wait or find yourself another ia64. I don't plan to fix that tonight :P
[09:57] <jbailey> Mithrandir: What do you need?
[09:58] <Mithrandir> jbailey: root on a ia64 debian and ubuntu box.
[09:59] <jbailey> T-Bone: I will provide you with some initramfs love after UDU.  I told Fabio earlier that I would give him a tested patch to kernel-package to do the hooks I need.
[09:59] <jbailey> Mithrandir: my ia64 box is Debian running, although I think I have a hoary chroot.
[09:59] <Mithrandir> jbailey: would you mind lending me root and abusing your network connection?  (The source package is 250-ish MB)
[10:00] <jbailey> That's fine.  It's colo'd at a university, so you might even have a decent connection between you.
[10:00] <Mithrandir> yay.
[10:00] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Put your ssh key on chinstrap or something?
[10:01] <Mithrandir> jbailey:  chinstrap:tfheen-err.no.ssh.dsa.pub
[10:03] <T-Bone> jbailey: heh cool. BTW, i don't have sex with machines or borgs. I prefer chicks ;P
[10:04] <ogami1972> hello room- Q. whta is best kernel choice for an amdk6 (building is not an option at this stage)
[10:04] <ogami1972> ?
[10:04] <T-Bone> jbailey: and the day i'll consider ia64 for sex, i'll grant you full clearance to erase me from the surface of the Earth ;0)
[10:05] <ogami1972> oooooookkkkk......
[10:05] <T-Bone> ogami1972: that's a question for #ubuntu
[10:05] <ogami1972> ok - thanks
[10:33] <Mithrandir> uhm, what's a decent place to point apt to?  Seems like ia64 is removed from hoary?
[10:38] <zul> heading home...later
[10:40] <jbailey> Is it completely removed?  I thought that they were just not building CDs for it.
[10:41] <Mithrandir> I get 404s, at least.
[10:41] <Mithrandir> and http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openjade/ (random sample) doesn't show any ia64 debs.
[10:57] <Mithrandir> jbailey: yay, this seems to work.  I think it'll work for ia64 in Hoary too.
[10:58] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Cool.  Are you running i386 binaries?
[10:58] <Mithrandir> jbailey: ldd on libc worked. :P
[10:58] <jbailey> Wow, crazy.
[10:58] <jbailey> I didn't know that the kernel was setup to allow that to work. =)
[10:59] <Mithrandir> it's a kinda weird situation, since I want to get it working for {amd64,ia64} {Ubuntu,Debian} where amd64+Ubuntu and ia64+Debian is supported, but not amd64+Debian or ia64+Ubuntu
[11:00] <Mithrandir> oh, it doesn't work since I removed ia32-libs. :P
[11:00] <Mithrandir> yay:
[11:00] <Mithrandir> ia64:/# ~tfheen/ls  -d b*
[11:00] <Mithrandir> bin  boot
[11:00] <Mithrandir> ia64:/# file ~tfheen/ls
[11:00] <Mithrandir> /home/tfheen/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[11:09] <jbailey> Crazy.
[11:13] <Mithrandir> (unstable_tfheen)tfheen@ia64:~/ia32-libs$ du -sh .
[11:13] <Mithrandir> 207M    .
[11:13] <Mithrandir> this seems to work, so I'll upload
[11:15] <Mithrandir> I'm off to bed; I'll clean up tomorrow morning
[11:15] <jbailey> *lol*
[11:15] <jbailey> Run away from ther terminal so he can't find you? =)