[12:00] <elllisd_> ermo, no text virtual in config
[12:00] <ermo> elllisd_, check my pm
[12:00] <elllisd_> ermo, got the depth to 16, tho
[12:00] <blizah> ive found that games and mp3s etc.. will play in alsa or oss by killing esd
[12:00] <blizah> crimsun what does that entail?
[12:01] <RexM> OH NOES! MY SEGFAULTS ARE ACTING UP AGAIN :'( time to break out the medication... valtrex here i come
[12:01] <IceRogue> crimsun: i get an error when i try to use esound
[12:01] <Reblended> my sony laptop Intel video card has 32MB is this enough?
[12:01] <pune> does anyone know anything about SynCE
[12:01] <crimsun> IceRogue: what sort of error?
[12:01] <crimsun> blizah: read the man page for esd
[12:01] <blizah> k
[12:02] <Xgates> can someone look at my kernel .config and tell me what is making it crap, because I have the correct settings for my hardware but something is missing that is causing it to crap on reboot because of the way Ubuntu is setup
[12:02] <crimsun> Xgates: pivot_root erroR?
[12:02] <Xira> anyone get luminosicty working under ubuntu?
[12:02] <Reblended> Xira what's luminosity?
[12:02] <REWind>  k
[12:02] <REWind> ciao!
[12:02] <Xgates> crimsun, kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[12:02] <crimsun> Xgates: you should have read the cramfs section in the make-pkpg man page.
[12:02] <pune> Hello, does anyone know anything about SynCE?
[12:02] <apokryphos> gumpish: sorry for the delay! Didn't see your reponse... go for http://ubuntu.hands.com/releases/hoary/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent
[12:02] <HaRDaWaY> hi, i have one problem, when i insert my pendrive, ubuntu not mount it, and if i do: mount -t vfat /dev/sd* /mnt/pendrive, ubuntu tell me that /dev/sda or sdb no exists, can you help me please?
[12:02] <crimsun> Xgates: make-kpkg, rather
[12:03] <crimsun> HaRDaWaY: pmount /dev/sda1 foo
[12:03] <Xgates> crimsun, and last time I compiled it I did not remove but a few things that should not of caused this but it still craped
[12:03] <eleazar> anybody know how to set my resolution to something thats not in the 'set resolution' dialog? i went through and installed the nvidia drivers and specified 1600x1200 (which is native for my lcd) and the only thing that was available was 1024x768, but after installing the drivers only 800x600 is available :(
[12:03] <Xira> Reblended, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/seth/blog/xshots.html
[12:03] <HaRDaWaY> crimsun, not runs
[12:03] <HaRDaWaY> :S
[12:03] <crimsun> HaRDaWaY: huh?
[12:03] <Xgates> crimsun, I did make-kpkg already, and made the kernel-image.deb and also made a new initrd.img
[12:04] <majic> why does Gnome lock up hard when you install the 2.6.11 kernel from universe?
[12:04] <HaRDaWaY> pmount /dev/sda1
[12:04] <HaRDaWaY> Error: no se ha podido determinar la ruta real del dispositivo: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[12:04] <crimsun> Xgates: but did you read the section in the man page about the cramfs
[12:04] <IceRogue> crimsun: i get the error saying to check my config, the plugin or that there isnt a program blocking the soundcard
[12:04] <crimsun> HaRDaWaY: does dmesg report that the device was detected when you plugged it in?
[12:04] <Xgates> crimsun, nope where is this?
[12:04] <crimsun> Xgates: man make-kpkg
[12:04] <pune> hello, anyone ever used SynCE before?
[12:04] <Xgates> crimsun, what is cramfs?
[12:04] <crimsun> Xgates: man make-kpkg
[12:04] <Xgates> k
[12:05] <crimsun> IceRogue: and is esd running?
[12:05] <HaRDaWaY> crimsun, yes, dmesg tell me this:
[12:06] <eleazar> anybody know how to manually set the resolution, thats all i need to know :( i just installed ubuntu an hr ago, so everything is default really (other than the nvidia drivers)
[12:06] <adoyretsamon> i added a tvtuner to my ubuntu hoary system... how can I enable/configure it?
[12:06] <HaRDaWaY> crimsun,
[12:06] <HaRDaWaY> usb-storage: device found at 6
[12:06] <HaRDaWaY> usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[12:06] <HaRDaWaY>   Vendor:           Model: USB DRIVE         Rev: 1.13
[12:06] <HaRDaWaY>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
[12:06] <HaRDaWaY> Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
[12:06] <HaRDaWaY> usb-storage: device scan complete
[12:06] <HaRDaWaY> sorry for flood
[12:06] <IceRogue> crimsun: yeah i am hearing sound from gaim and i checked and i show it running
[12:06] <Dekkard> where do you find the mp3 support again?
[12:07] <gumpish> apokryphos: Now that I see there's a DVD iso I'd rather have that =)
[12:07] <crimsun> HaRDaWaY: what /dev/sd* devices are there?
[12:07] <crimsun> HaRDaWaY: (don't flood here)
[12:07] <tck> eleazar, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:08] <apokryphos> gumpish: IIRC that really only gives you Live & Full Install. Nice to have, but not necessary. If you've got a nice connection, go for it ;-)
[12:08] <apokryphos> gumpish: sorry, was d/c -- likely missed any comments made before (if you made any).
[12:08] <majic> apokryphos, I was under the umpression the dvd also had alot of extra packages, Is that correct?
[12:08] <Xgates> crimsun, ok have you done this before, what's the best way about this, I mean from what I see here do we run a cmd along with 'make-pkgk' or edit the /etc/mkinitrd
[12:08] <Xgates>   ?
[12:09] <EddieX> Does acroread work for you? I cant find the binary after i have installed it.
[12:10] <gumpish> Yeah, the DVD is over 2.5 GB...
[12:10] <mebaran151> my xpdf segfaults
[12:10] <crimsun> IceRogue: ok, now kill esd and choose the oss output.
[12:10] <Reblended> rofl, wobbly windows is hilarious!
[12:10] <goonie> isn't there a package in apt that serves as an unrar tool?
[12:10] <mebaran151> and apt has reported no updates
[12:10] <mebaran151> for like a week
[12:10] <crimsun> goonie: there's rar in multiverse
[12:10] <mebaran151> is my system fucked
[12:10] <eleazar> tck, ok thanks :D i'll try it now
[12:10] <crimsun> mebaran151: uh no. Remember Hoary is frozen.
[12:10] <mebaran151> oh
[12:11] <mebaran151> so they froze a dead xpdf
[12:11] <HaRDaWaY> crimsun,
[12:11] <IceRogue> crimsun: i forgot what is the command to list proccess again
[12:11] <HaRDaWaY> ls: /dev/sd*: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[12:11] <goonie> crimsun~ multiverse?
[12:11] <crimsun> mebaran151: xpdf works on my box.
[12:11] <WMCoolmon> icerogue: ps ax
[12:11] <crimsun> IceRogue: pgrep <process name>, or use ps
[12:11] <EddieX> xpdf works here too, but i prefer acroread wich i cant use :)
[12:11] <HaRDaWaY> crimsun, there are nothing /dev/sd*
[12:11] <HaRDaWaY> :(
[12:12] <mebaran151> I'm on  amd64
[12:12] <crimsun> HaRDaWaY: there's no /dev/sda3?
[12:12] <Reblended> xira this is awesome! have you gotten wobbly windows to work?
[12:12] <crimsun> HaRDaWaY: err, sorry, /dev/sdc
[12:12] <goonie> what is multiverse?
[12:12] <crimsun> goonie: a repository.
[12:12] <Xira> Reblended, that's luminoscity, and no, i ahvent attempted yet, im a linux nub
[12:12] <Reblended> gonnie get lots of software there
[12:13] <Reblended> xira me too
[12:13] <crimsun> Xgates: I use the standard Ubuntu sources.
[12:13] <goonie> how do i add multiverse to synaptics?
[12:13] <IceRogue> crimsun: ok that worked it now will play the song, but what does that mean as far as what is wrong?
[12:13] <HaRDaWaY> crimsun, no, there's no /dev/sdc, and /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, there's no with /dev/sd*
[12:13] <apokryphos_> majic: sorry, was disconnected. I think the DVD has Ubuntu/Kubuntu and LiveCDs all on one disk, plus a few packs perhaps. Will find out for sure...
[12:13] <crimsun> goonie: it's already present, you just need to enable it.
[12:13] <Xgates> crimsun, yes I did 'apt-get' linux-source
[12:13] <mebaran151> ok anyone else with a segfaulting xpdf
[12:13] <Xgates> crimsun, I compiled the Ubuntu src of 2.6.10
[12:13] <adoyretsamon> xpdf stinks for the most part... adobe acrobat 7 is very nice
[12:13] <EddieX> mebaran151, Is it only xpdf that segfaults?
[12:13] <crimsun> Xgates: using linux-tree-2.6.10 ?
[12:14] <Xgates> crimsun, yes
[12:14] <Xgates> I got 2.6.10
[12:14] <ElllisD> anyone wanna sell me a pci video card nice & cheap?
[12:14] <pune> can anyone help me configure multisync?
[12:14] <Xgates> crimsun, I then ran on it :
[12:14] <Xgates> # make-kpkg clean
[12:14] <Xgates> # make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
[12:14] <blizah> crimsun, sry to keep prying but cant find much useful on ubuntu on about alsa, oss and esd besides what i know...
[12:14] <mebaran151> EddieX, yeah
[12:14] <mebaran151> and anything based on it
[12:14] <Panquekas> hello
[12:14] <crimsun> Xgates: it's usually easier to pass it --initrd
[12:14] <mebaran151> like gpdf
[12:15] <ElllisD> ermo, how do i logout of the text side?
[12:15] <d> I can't seem to find the hoary bugs page on the ubuntu wiki- looks like I've found one and I want to check its been reported
[12:15] <crimsun> blizah: ok, what are you attempting to do?
[12:15] <Xgates> crimsun, then I ran :
[12:15] <Xgates> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-1-686 /lib/modules/2.6.10
[12:15] <Panquekas> anyone have problems with an nvidia go 5600 when upgraded to hoary?
[12:15] <crimsun> d: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:15] <d> thanks!
[12:15] <ermo> ElllisD, write 'exit' (or press ctrl+d)
[12:15] <WMCoolmon> does anyone know how to get Cedega working on AMD64?
[12:15] <blizah> crimsun well ive noticed you cant run things in oss or alsa without killing esd...any way to get around that?
[12:15] <crimsun> d: unless it's universe/multiverse. Those go to Malone @ https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/
[12:15] <Xgates> crimsun, actually this is what I ran on that 2nd make-kpkg: --> make-kpkg --revision 1 kernel_image
[12:15] <EddieX> mebaran151, Ok thats positive i guess :)
[12:15] <goonie> crimsun~ how do i enable it? I've checked all possible repositories in synaptics.. do I have to manually add the url for the multiverse one?
[12:15] <pune> hello, can anyone please help me
[12:15] <mebaran151> WMCoolmon, haha it might be difficult
[12:15] <blizah> crimsun have them all (3) working as one big happy family :D
[12:15] <ElllisD> ermo, just after i wrote that the restart killed it
[12:15] <ermo> ElllisD, you've just started a shell in text mode. It's like 'cmd.exe' (more advanced, but same idea)
[12:16] <Xgates> crimsun, so how should I of run it?
[12:16] <mebaran151> EddieX,yeah
[12:16] <mebaran151> because Windows is a 32 bit system
[12:16] <crimsun> blizah: personally I use polypaudio, but most of its functionality can be made to work in esd.
[12:16] <ElllisD> k
[12:16] <Reblended> I have a combodrive (cd-RW/DVD) is there any problem with Ubuntu?
[12:16] <ElllisD> <--- thinking of the potential of a text shell.......hmmmm
[12:17] <blizah> crimsun have to check with alsa and oss to see if they can work w/ esd?
[12:17] <shmoolik> hello can some one plz tellme whats the Gnome torrent name is ?
[12:17] <ermo> ElllisD, any luck?
[12:17] <d> reblended: this relates to my bug, DMA doesn't seem to get enabled for optical drives by the hoary installer
[12:17] <WMCoolmon> mebaran151: I'm pretty sure someone's gotten it working, I've seen people post about it in the A64 forums
[12:17] <Reblended> d: uh oh.. is there a workaround?
[12:17] <ElllisD> ermo, see in a sec- gotta logon yet
[12:17] <d> It stoped me playing DVDs smoothly and burning/reading discs at full speed
[12:18] <Xgates> crimsun: like this is good --> make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 kernel_image
[12:18] <Reblended> d: full speed is very slow as it is
[12:18] <crimsun> d: it's not supposed to for safety reasons. You can enable it manually afterward through hdparm (or its conffile).
[12:18] <Reblended> d: yer scaring me. =p
[12:18] <elllisd_> ermo, success!!!!!!!
[12:18] <crimsun> goonie: using Synaptic, Settings>Repositories
[12:19] <elllisd_> :D
[12:19] <d> yeah, you need to edit /etc/hdparm.conf- instructions are in that file how it works
[12:19] <crimsun> ...or you can just leave.
[12:19] <shmoolik> i m looking for Gnome torrent package ... and i don't find it can someone plz tell me what is it name plz
[12:19] <Reblended> d: thx. so I gotta go and tweak it manually... uh ok
[12:19] <d> just find out the device name of your CD/DVD drive and then turn on DMA for it
[12:19] <Reblended> d: ok. thx!
[12:19] <Xgates> crimsun: sorry to bug ya, hehe see my last?
[12:20] <elllisd_> <------- expected the desktop to be uglier but colors dont seem less yet
[12:20] <Xgates> damm this thing making me crazy
[12:20] <WMCoolmon> reblended: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[12:20] <Reblended> WMCoolmon: and d: ty
[12:20] <IceRogue> crimsun: ok so now i can listen to xmms but i now dont have any sounds from gaim, is there a happy medium?
[12:20] <crimsun> Xgates: it should be fine as long as you didn't alter any config options _and_ you're using Ubuntu's patches against Ubuntu's distributed kernel source.
[12:20] <ermo> elllisd_, I told you I could help you ;-)
[12:21] <crimsun> IceRogue: esd, usually, but you could use dmix.
[12:21] <Reblended> I'm bored with xp working flawlessly, I want a challenge... so I'm not gonna dual boot, I'm tossing XP and going to Linux, ohh yah
[12:21] <ermo> elllisd_, and, along the way, you learned a few things too.
[12:21] <nakee> there was an ubuntu education distribution
[12:21] <nakee> anyone remember its name?
[12:21] <nakee> and maybe hp
[12:21] <elllisd_> ermo,  believed you.... you have the confidence i have in windows in here--- thanks tremendously
[12:21] <crimsun> nakee: you mean a _Debian_ education distro?
[12:21] <nakee> I'm pretty sure I saw ubuntu one..
[12:22] <elllisd_> ermo, i know there's many more questions raised....
[12:22] <Xgates> crimsun: ok wait I need to patch the src too?
[12:22] <crimsun> nakee: ...I'm not aware of one
[12:22] <nakee> oferw: :)
[12:22] <ermo> elllisd_, now, go check out http://tldp.org
[12:22] <Reblended> with the apt-get codecs, I can encode quicktime?
[12:22] <crimsun> Xgates: not if you're using Ubuntu's distributed kernel source
[12:22] <oferw> nakee, hi
[12:22] <Xgates> crimsun: yes I am I got it from apt-get
[12:22] <ermo> elllisd_, specifically, go check out the HOWTOs relating to the X Window System
[12:22] <ElllisD> i was just about to ask for a site,,ty
[12:23] <nakee> http://linus.yorktown.arlington.k12.va.us/cs/docs/edubuntu/FrontPage
[12:23] <IceRogue> crimsun: where would i get dmix, it didnt come uip in a search on synaptic
[12:23] <nakee> for the next person asking about it:)
[12:23] <apokryphos> majic: ok. The DVD contains everything in main
[12:23] <Xgates> crimsun: so again, sorry this is all I need to run ---> make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 kernel_image
[12:23] <d> I've just checked out the Ubuntu wiki page on how to watch a DVD- it should say that if playback is jerky then you should enable DMA for the drive
[12:23] <blizah> crimsun does pollyaudio work with alsa and oss?...cause im using cedega and it only uses win and oss i believe
[12:24] <ElllisD> ermo, i've been dying for a cigarette forever---brb
[12:24] <d> fixed it for me!
[12:24] <Xgates> crimsun, after make-pkgk clean of course hehe
[12:24] <crimsun> blizah: it's configured to use alsa's oss emulation, just as esd is configured to do
[12:24] <Reblended> if you find it hard to remember the name,,, type BUNT and put U's on each end
[12:24] <phoenixp3k> Anyone here using GXINE ?
[12:24] <ermo> ElllisD, I have to hit the bunk. It's past midnight here and I need to get some sleep :). Good luck with ubunutu mate!
[12:24] <ElllisD> tyvm
[12:24] <ermo> phoenixp3k, yup
[12:25] <crimsun> nakee: that seems very specific to their area
[12:25] <fgx> ehm, how does text console work in ubuntu if /dev/fb* is disabled by default?
[12:25] <blizah> crimsun than why do you have to change xmms to output to esd if you want to play mp3s?..as opposed to alsa or oss
[12:25] <crimsun> fgx: because text console has nothing to do with /dev/fb* ?
[12:25] <WMCoolmon> hmm, new question: what's the best way to set a sound card up as the default, and force-resample sounds to it to 48000hz, under ubuntu? (I've got an Audigy 2 NX)
[12:25] <phoenixp3k> ermo, can you get it to play streaming files inside firefox?
[12:25] <ermo> phoenixp3k, haven't tried, so I wouldn't know :D
[12:25] <fgx> crimsun, isn't it displaied with the framebuffer? if no, how is it diplaied?
[12:26] <ermo> phoenixp3k, sorry.
[12:26] <phoenixp3k> ermo, using any other program to do that?
[12:26] <crimsun> blizah: because on a default install, esd runs, so you can't use oss (esd has the device) or alsa (esd has the oss emulation device)
[12:26] <crimsun> fgx: if you're interested, you may wish to check out the console code in the kernel source.
[12:26] <nakee> crimsun: they start small:)
[12:27] <phoenixp3k> Anyone can help me about a plugin in Mozilla firefox?
[12:27] <ermo> phoenixp3k, you might try mplayer
[12:27] <cameron_> hello
[12:27] <Reblended> cameron_ why the name change?
[12:27] <fgx> crimsun, mmm im not such an expert in C :D
[12:27] <phoenixp3k> ermo, never managed to open mplayer and get it running
[12:27] <IceRogue> phoenixp3k: what plugin?
[12:27] <ermo> phoenixp3k, I think mplayer has a plug-in that does what you want
[12:27] <crimsun> fgx: you don't need to be
[12:27] <phoenixp3k> IceRogue, gxine browser plugin won't work (file is not played in browser)
[12:27] <cameron_> I ws being warned.
[12:28] <WMCoolmon> phoenixp3k: isn't there a vlc plugin?
[12:28] <fgx> crimsun, ok let's tty :)
[12:28] <fgx> pardon try
[12:28] <cameron_> that my nick was already being used.
[12:28] <phoenixp3k> WMCoolmon, vlc I've heard that name, is it another player?
[12:28] <crimsun> vlc is another media player similar in goals to totem
[12:28] <Reblended> phoenix yes, it's very good
[12:28] <Reblended> on screen vol
[12:28] <WMCoolmon> phoenixp3k: yes, it's in the extended repositories tho
[12:29] <WMCoolmon> it's much more configurable than totem
[12:29] <Hell-Razor> does anybody here have 32bit emulation working? because i am not sure which packages i need
[12:29] <Reblended> VLC plays mpeg's that Winmedia player can't
[12:29] <Reblended> vlc lots of hotkeys too
[12:29] <cameron_> I'm having a heck of a time getting apache2 to change default web page directory. Where do I change that in kubuntu linux?
[12:30] <superted> cameron_: the config?
[12:30] <cameron_> I've edited the 000-default to point to the folder I want (i think)
[12:30] <blizah> crimsun sorry for all the questions. but is there a way to get oss and alsa to play in ubuntu w/ out killing esd?
[12:30] <phoenixp3k> WMCoolmon, I'll try to install it, thanks
[12:30] <bluerpk> hello.. can anyone please help me in getting my ati card's opengl drivers setup..
[12:30] <bluerpk> I tried the instructions given in the wiki.. but they dont work
[12:30] <elmaya> vlc  best media player ever
[12:30] <crimsun> blizah: the default /etc/esound/esd.conf should do that.
[12:30] <bluerpk> I have been trying this for a very long time now :(
[12:30] <crimsun> blizah: just make sure you wait 5 seconds.
[12:31] <cameron_> Ok. which apache2 config files are used by kubuntu?
[12:31] <superted> cameron_: look in /etc/apache2
[12:31] <blizah> crimsun hrm k ill go try once more
[12:31] <zoso_kubuntu> bluerpk: which card?
[12:31] <bluerpk> ati 9600 pro
[12:32] <Reblended> can I play and encode quicktime files?
[12:32] <WMCoolmon> anyone, setting a default sound card under linux? i'd rather not have to use my cheap onboard sound under ubuntu...
[12:32] <Hell-Razor> does anybody here have cedega or wine or p2p working in ubuntu?
[12:32] <crimsun> blahrus: what output is xmms configured to use?
[12:32] <crimsun> WMCoolmon: paste /proc/asound/cards onto http://pastebin.com
[12:32] <zoso_kubuntu> bluerpk: did you edit the xorg.con file and replace 'ati' with 'fglrx'?
[12:32] <blahrus> crimsun: let me check . . . xmms? I was talking about beep-media-player
[12:32] <bluerpk> zoso_kubuntu: yes
[12:32] <zoso_kubuntu> *xorg.conf
[12:32] <jldugger> wtf. how does upgrading to hoary wind up trashing my sata partition table?
[12:32] <KrAyhZe> xmms its so bad
[12:33] <crimsun> blahrus: sorry, b-m-p
[12:33] <KrAyhZe> winamp rocks
[12:33] <Zugot> what is the name of the gnome applet that does the apt updates?
[12:33] <zoso_kubuntu> what does fglrxinfo return? Mesa?
[12:33] <cameron_> zugot - I think it's synaptic
[12:33] <phoenixp3k> KrAyhZe, is there a winamp version for ubuntu? (not xmms of course)
[12:33] <blahrus> crimsun: thats why somereason its defualted to OSS
[12:33] <bluerpk> zoso_kubuntu: yes.. mesa.. also the glxgears gives me some 60 fps
[12:33] <crimsun> blahrus: so changing it to esound worked, I presume.
[12:33] <blahrus> phoenixp3k: use beep-media-player
[12:33] <bluerpk> zoso_kubuntu: even my windows is slow and my system feels slow
[12:33] <WMCoolmon> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/269762
[12:33] <blahrus> crimsun: yup
[12:34] <jldugger> I upgraded from warty to hoary, and now my 200g drive says the drive isn't partitioned =(
[12:34] <crimsun> blahrus: heh, I was about to say. I _did_ test it on amd64 before I uploaded it.
[12:34] <WMCoolmon> crimsun: i'd like the NX as default, V8237 as backup
[12:34] <zoso_kubuntu> bluerpk: Try here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[12:34] <blahrus> crimsun: I have two other issues with hoary amd64 got a sec?
[12:34] <phoenixp3k> blahrus there is like a thousand players out there :p
[12:34] <skreet> How do I recompile php --with-mysql instead of the apparently default --without-mysql?
[12:34] <crimsun> blahrus: I'm not sure I'll be able to help you with amd64.
[12:34] <crimsun> blahrus: but someone else may, so shoot
[12:34] <blahrus> phoenixp3k: i would suggest beep\
[12:34] <blahrus> its great
[12:35] <bluerpk> zoso_kubuntu: ok will check. Thanks for your help
[12:35] <blahrus> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8696
[12:35] <zoso_kubuntu> bluerpk: sure thing. Good luck.
[12:35] <crimsun> WMCoolmon: do this: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:35] <crimsun> WMCoolmon: then reboot.
[12:36] <skreet> How do I recompile php --with-mysql instead of the apparently default --without-mysql? Anyone?
[12:36] <crimsun> skreet: pull down the source, change debian/rules, then debuild binary
[12:36] <blahrus> skreet: is ther not a php-mysql?
[12:36] <phoenixp3k> blahrus, screenshot are nice... I'll take a closer look thanks for the tip
[12:36] <seven_six_two> jldugger, says it's not partitioned? as in you can only see the active partition, or it says you have 1  200gb partition?
[12:36] <bluerpk> zoso_kubuntu: Thanks. I think i need all the luck to make this work
[12:36] <skreet> blahrus, um, havent checked, will do.
[12:36] <WMCoolmon> crimsun: thanks, brb
[12:36] <blahrus> phoenixp3k: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage
[12:37] <crimsun> blahrus: huh, I'm CCed on that bug report.
[12:37] <crimsun> blahrus: gimme a few minutes to read it.
[12:37] <blahrus> crimsun: no idea
[12:37] <blahrus> crimsun: thanks!
[12:37] <crimsun> blahrus: (no, I know about the CC)
[12:37] <Jarrette> i get an error 18 from grub.. i updated my bios to the newest release but it's still not working... do i have any other options?
[12:37] <jldugger> seven_six_two, as in it says "200gb free"
[12:37] <jldugger> zero partitions
[12:37] <seven_six_two> ouch. thats not fun. did you have a lot of data on them?
[12:38] <jldugger> seven, not much, really
[12:38] <skreet> blahrus, php4-mysql  Thanks!
[12:38] <seven_six_two> well you can always create new ones
[12:38] <MMond> hi, I'm that noob again. I'm playing with the terminal... mostly compiling things from source . . . I've installed this thing.. (and it's not installed correctly, I don't think) but anyways . . . if I have installed everyone from source, how can I uninstall that? (as easiness, it is done something like "apt-get uninstall program") how and what can I do here.. any help will be greatly appreciated
[12:38] <blueyed> Jarrette, try (e)diting the grub entries and try other partitions
[12:38] <crimsun> blahrus: mute 'IEC958 Capture Monitor'
[12:38] <jldugger> still, how does a partition table up and dissapear
[12:39] <crimsun> jldugger: it was frightened?
[12:39] <seven_six_two> jldugger, not sure really
[12:39] <blahrus> crimsun: mute the capture card?
[12:39] <seven_six_two> crimsun, funny
[12:39] <Jarrette> how do i edit the grub entries? sorry..im completely new to all of this
[12:39] <crimsun> blahrus: no. That specifically.
[12:39] <crimsun> blahrus: amixer sset 'IEC958 Capture Monitor' off
[12:40] <phoenixp3k> VLC is an AUDIO player only??!
[12:40] <crimsun> phoenixp3k: no, it plays videos, too.
[12:40] <Reblended> I play videos, phoenix
[12:40] <cameron_> how does the sites-available and sites-enabled work with apache2.conf? I've got serverroot set to "/startfolder" but it when I got to the website, it's still the apache default siet.
[12:40] <blahrus> crimsun: alright . . . I guess I am just a bit lost because I don't change amixer and things work on wartys kernel
[12:40] <Reblended> it just doens't show the video window if you don't have a video loaded, phoenix
[12:41] <seven_six_two> Jarrette, grub uses  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:41] <crimsun> blahrus: the root cause of this issue has already been resolved in a newer version of ALSA not available in Hoary.
[12:41] <phoenixp3k> ohhh.
[12:41] <Reblended> =] 
[12:41] <kev0r> +D
[12:41] <crimsun> blahrus: I spent ~6 hours with epiccenter debugging this yesterday.
[12:41] <Hell-Razor> does anybody here run amd64?
[12:41] <blahrus> crimsun: sweet deal, still a bit lost, but i will take your word on it
[12:41] <blahrus> Hell-Razor: I do
[12:42] <crimsun> blahrus: tell me if muting that mixer element "fixes" the issue for you
[12:42] <seven_six_two> anyone know if ed2k or any donkey clc would be available in any of the ubuntu repositories?
[12:42] <phoenixp3k> gxine plugin is still taking over
[12:42] <Hell-Razor> blahrus: do you have wine, cedega, or p2p running correctly?
[12:42] <blahrus> Hell-Razor: no.
[12:42] <blahrus> Hell-Razor: I havn't tired, are you doing it in chroot?
[12:42] <Hell-Razor> blahrus: gah....do you know how to emulate 32bit stuff or where i can find a howto without a chroot?
[12:42] <Xgates> ok here we go again with the --initrd cmd added in --> kernel-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[12:42] <blahrus> without chroot I am unware of what to do
[12:42] <KrAyhZe> hi
[12:43] <KrAyhZe> the CDs that they send
[12:43] <KrAyhZe> its live-CDs ?
[12:43] <Hell-Razor> blahrus: chrooting is useless...its like having another computer
[12:43] <mebaran151> anyone having segfault problems with xpdf on AMD64
[12:43] <MMond> someone please help.. if I've installed something by compiling from source, how do I delete it?
[12:43] <blahrus> crimsun: let me reboot into the other kernel and try mutting
[12:44] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me out with getting mroe repos so i can use synaptic with better results
[12:44] <Xgates> crimsun,  when running dpkg -i on the kernel I got this:
[12:44] <Xgates> find: /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/acpi: No such file or directory
[12:44] <Xgates> crimsun, is that a problem or not?
[12:44] <Xgates> I've never used acpi before
[12:44] <KrAyhZe> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:45] <crimsun> Xgates: it could be.
[12:45] <WMCoolmon> Hell-Razor: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:45] <Xappe> MMond: if you're lucky a "sudo make uninstall" in the source dir will do it
[12:45] <bendebian> MMond: you can delete the directory that contains the files and maybe (if you do make install) you have to search for some binarys too, to delete it completely
[12:45] <Xgates> crimsun: ok let me boot this thing and see THANKS
[12:45] <crimsun> WMCoolmon: got it working?
[12:46] <seven_six_two> any p2p users here?
[12:46] <WMCoolmon> crimsun: yeah; is there some way to globally resample though? ALSA for NX only works at 48khz or 22050hz :-/
[12:46] <MMond> Got it . . . just that I was thinking if I delete the folder, then I'd be only ignorant - in Windows, deleting "folders" with programs in it didn't cut all strings. thanks
[12:46] <cameron_> how do I restart the apache service?
[12:46] <WMCoolmon> crimsun: otherwise, stuff cuts out rapidly
[12:46] <wellso> hi ppl
[12:46] <elllisd_> what does this "/dev/hda1" refer to? I'm trying to mount an ntfs drive containing one partition thats master on ide2.
[12:47] <wellso> how do i disable resolutions? anyone know?
[12:47] <WMCoolmon> ellisd_ "hda" means first hard drive, "hdb" would be second, etc
[12:47] <elllisd_> wellso  i just learned that
[12:47] <WMCoolmon> ellisd_ the 1 stands for partition 1
[12:47] <seven_six_two> elllisd_, the number is the partition
[12:47] <cameron_> ellisd: the drives in your system get numbered. hda = controller1 drive1
[12:47] <b-_-d> where can I buy a boxed version?
[12:47] <crimsun> WMCoolmon: you should be using plughw:0,0 for playback
[12:47] <cameron_> hdb - controller1 drive2 etc
[12:47] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me out with getting 32bit emulation working?
[12:48] <cameron_> hda1 = controller1 drive1 partition1
[12:48] <bendebian> wellso: look in the screen -section of you xorg.conf
[12:48] <elllisd_> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /x -t ntfs      gave me an error, tho
[12:48] <WMCoolmon> crimsun: what's that? :)
[12:48] <Dark_Kyo> menu editor for ubuntu hoary have a bug?
[12:48] <seven_six_two> elllisd_, hdc is third device
[12:48] <wellso> where can I find that file my friend?
[12:48] <crimsun> WMCoolmon: try killing esd and testing: aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav
[12:48] <bendebian> wellso: /etc/X11
[12:48] <wellso> thanksyou
[12:49] <IceRogue> crimsun: so if my esd is conflicting with oss what are my options to get it working?>
[12:49] <cameron_> ellis: How many drives are in your system?
[12:49] <Vjaz> Hm... what was the gconf entry I need to modify in order to make Nautilus spatioal again?
[12:49] <WMCoolmon> crimsun: still has the same problem
[12:50] <elllisd_> seven_six_two  so if i used hdb1 and got an error does that mean b's something else>?
[12:50] <blahrus> crimsun: that seemed to do it, how did you know to mute that?
[12:50] <elllisd_> cameron- 2 hdd's floppy & burner
[12:50] <bendebian> elllisd_: fdisk -l should give you a hint
[12:50] <crimsun> blahrus: reading bug reports and about 6 hours of reading cvs commits.
[12:50] <crimsun> blahrus: I'll go ahead and attach a note.
[12:50] <seven_six_two> elllisd_, what drives do you have?
[12:50] <blahrus> crimsun: well that sounds good :)
[12:50] <fgx> crimsun, do you know the *.c file in kernel-source that is related to CLI?
[12:50] <blahrus> crimsun: thanks!
[12:50] <elllisd_> bendebian    cool linux has fdisk
[12:51] <crimsun> fgx: there are quite a few
[12:51] <seven_six_two> elllisd_, careful with it
[12:51] <WMCoolmon> elllisd_, you may have to do sudo fdisk -l for anything to show up
[12:51] <elllisd_> 80g master on ide1 160g master on ide2 burner slave on ide2
[12:51] <elllisd_> k ty wmcoolmon
[12:51] <cameron_> how do I restart apache2? isn't it something in the init.d?
[12:51] <elllisd_> all i need is to know what theyre called i guess
[12:52] <wellso> do i delete the modes I dont want?
[12:52] <WMCoolmon> cameron: haven't installed apache but maybe /etc/init.d/apache restart?
[12:52] <cameron_> 160 is probably hdc
[12:52] <beh> can someone help me with repositories and synaptic
[12:52] <Vjaz> Found it.
[12:52] <seven_six_two> elllisd_, yes, and the partition. keep in mind it might not be hdb1 if you have extended partitions
[12:52] <fgx> crimsun, the one that tells me more on how CLI works?
[12:52] <bendebian> elllisd_ so your 80 gb is hda and your 160gb is hdc
[12:53] <WMCoolmon> beh: what about them?
[12:53] <seven_six_two> aah and i learn as well. i didn't know it skipped b
[12:53] <elllisd_> yup, ide2 master is c-
[12:53] <silke1967> test 1212
[12:53] <marcin_ant> hi all
[12:53] <marcin_ant> I got a problem with sound card
[12:53] <joelbryanster> hi, can someone help me mounting my ntfs partition with parameters user,noauto so I can view it in "Computer" in Gnome.
[12:53] <beh> well ive come to try out ubuntu i used to use gentoo and im used to portage
[12:53] <beh> what repositories do i need to add so i can install programs like mplayer and such
[12:53] <ben0ne> hellp
[12:53] <ben0ne> ops
[12:53] <ben0ne> hello
[12:53] <crimsun> fgx: look in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10/drivers/char
[12:53] <WMCoolmon> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:54] <elllisd_> fdisk doesnt show a b-   just out of curiosity why?
[12:54] <WMCoolmon> beh: that should get you started :)
[12:54] <beh> ok thanks
[12:54] <seven_six_two> elllisd_, because you have no slave on first ide channel
[12:54] <WMCoolmon> joelbryanster: have you tried editting /etc/fstab ?
[12:54] <MMond> cameron_: /etc/init.d/apache restart
[12:54] <ben0ne> ubuntu vs. kubuntu ? what is the best choice ?
[12:54] <bendebian> elllisd_ because you do not have a primary slave
[12:54] <elllisd_> aha! but the slave has a reservation
[12:55] <bendebian> ben0ne: it deends on you: do you prefer kde or gnome?
[12:55] <joelbryanster> I seems to have problems doing so, I edited fstab and mount /dev/hda5 to /media/stuff with options ntfs ro,noauto,umask=0222
[12:55] <marcin_ant> it works nice with gnome but on commandline when I try to play something with mpg321 I got an error "can't find a suitable libao driver"
[12:55] <cameron_> anyone have any idea why doing init.d/apache2 restart would tell me "httpd (pid 7297?) not running" ?
[12:55] <silke1967> test 1234
[12:55] <ben0ne> bendebian, gnome :)
[12:55] <MMond> cameron_: /etc/init.d/apache restart ?
[12:55] <marcin_ant> Could someone help me and tell why it doesn't work?
[12:55] <StR> hi there....
[12:55] <joelbryanster> and I get an error message about permission to the partition
[12:55] <whiskers> man i sure am glaad i don't work for IBM or Microsoft so i don't have to get in the middle or take sides on this serious debate.
[12:55] <MMond> oh
[12:55] <cameron_> I know that apache is running  MMond: Yes
[12:55] <ben0ne> bendebian, actualy, i prefer enlightenment. hehehe
[12:55] <theine> ben0ne, go for ubuntu then
[12:55] <bendebian> ben0ne then take ubuntu
[12:56] <StR> anyoen knows the problem about the apt-get update_
[12:56] <WMCoolmon> joelbryanster: try remounting it with umask of 022, that's what i use; the extra 2 might be giving you trouble
[12:56] <joelbryanster> WMCoolmon: I seems to have problems doing so, I edited fstab and mount /dev/hda5 to /media/stuff with options ntfs ro,noauto,umask=0222, but I get error messages about permission to that partition.
[12:56] <MMond> !google httpd (pid 7297
[12:56] <whiskers> i am really glad i am out of all this stuff
[12:56] <cameron_> i'll try it. thanks
[12:56] <MMond> cameron_: Sorry, can't really imagine what could be.. I'm a nub, try googling :o
[12:56] <elllisd_> im getting the feeling ubuntu cant write in ntfs, huh?
[12:56] <Arnia> elllisd_: Correct
[12:57] <cameron_> ellis: linux support for writing ntfs is iffy at best
[12:57] <Arnia> Not safely anyway
[12:57] <seven_six_two> joelbryanster, what is the error?
[12:57] <elllisd_> ugh
[12:57] <bendebian> elllisd_ you are right. but you can google for "captive" driver for ntfs
[12:57] <joelbryanster> The folder contents could not be displayed.
[12:57] <WMCoolmon> elllisd_: you need to install captive-ntfs, but it will read ntfs if you mount the partition
[12:57] <elllisd_> bendebian- whats captive?
[12:57] <Xappe> joelbryanster: change permissions of /media/stuff
[12:57] <whiskers> i think all you people and Microsoft should continue working on these serious debates where the consumer wants to save money and the producer wants to make money
[12:57] <whiskers> i am out of it
[12:57] <joelbryanster> seven_six_two: The folder contentes could not be displayed, You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "stuff".
[12:57] <cameron_> ellis: you should create a fat32 partition for moving stuff between linux and windows
[12:57] <bendebian> elllisd_ you can wirte ntfs with the help of the ms-files
[12:58] <elllisd_> joelbryanster  i just got the same error     lol
[12:58] <bendebian> elllisd_ but it is experimental afaik
[12:58] <Dark_Kyo> anyone have a bug with menu editor for gnome under ubuntu hoary 5.04 ?
[12:58] <elllisd_> bummer
[12:58] <seven_six_two> joelbryanster, so it mounts but you can't see it. you should try changing the owner of the dir to you
[12:58] <silke1967> *shortmessage*  i have kicked ms today, just installed ubuntu - and i'glad about this system - everything i want and free upgradeble!!!!   i love it...  a new linux fan :)
[12:59] <joelbryanster> seven_six_two: you mean chmod 777 -R stuff
[12:59] <seven_six_two> sudo chown yourloginname /media/stuff
[12:59] <whiskers> i don't even want a menu editor for gnome...i am deleting my hard drive...i don't want anything to do with this whole software business.
[12:59] <Xappe> Dark_Kyo: there is no menu editor in gnome 2.10 afaik
[12:59] <cameron_> ellis: be careful with partitions
[12:59] <hackeron> hmm, where's the equilizer in rhythmbox?
[12:59] <Dark_Kyo> i'v installed a menu editor is see this on www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:59] <whiskers> Xappe, you don't need a menu editor to cd / and type rm -rf
[12:59] <Hell-Razor> can soebody help me out please? im trying to get 32bit emulation working and im not sure what files i need
[12:59] <looter> i cant open a ntfs partition with kde.is this normal?
[01:00] <seven_six_two> whiskers, bad
[01:00] <joelbryanster> seven_six_two: chown: changing ownership of `stuff': Read-only file system
[01:00] <StR> anyne could help  me?   I cannot make a apt-get update
[01:00] <Arcane> USB modems, anyone? :\
[01:00] <bendebian> looter: you should be able to read it
[01:00] <blahrus> crimsun: ahhh sooo sweet!!! now I can use the nvidia drivers! one last thing if you got a sec
[01:00] <Ex-Cyber> is there an X app that is useful for adjusting a monitor properly (geometry, color, brightness/contrast, gamma)?
[01:00] <looter> it says could not mount device
[01:00] <WMCoolmon> StR: can you be a little more specific?
[01:00] <blizah> in synaptic whats the differance between removal and complete removal?
[01:01] <seven_six_two> joelbryanster, try the permissions then, and make is group readable
[01:01] <Xappe> whisker, so?
[01:01] <WMCoolmon> blizah: complete removal gets rid of config files and stuff if possible
[01:01] <Ex-Cyber> blizah: complete removal removes config files that you may have altered
[01:01] <blizah> ah
[01:01] <seven_six_two> If You're New  >>  http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[01:01] <looter> any ideas?
[01:01] <bendebian> looter: mountpoint exists? partition is right? if so, maybe tell it that it is ntfs: "mount -t ntfs ...."
[01:02] <britt_radiofree> any iriver owners?
[01:02] <joelbryanster> seven_six_two: finished downloading the captive ntfs driver (deb), i'll try this if this would fix it.
[01:02] <elllisd_> why dont i have permission to view the contents of a folder mounted to an ntfs drive?
[01:03] <StR> WMCoolmon: I get this http://channels.debian.net/paste/16.
[01:03] <WMCoolmon> joelbryanster: try remounting with this: "mount /dev/hdx# /media/stuff -o umask=022"
[01:03] <looter> it is a hard disk with windows xp installed
[01:03] <Arcane> Okay, I'll ask smartly.
[01:03] <fgx> crimsun, ok /dev/tty... but really cant understand how CLI can be printed on the screen. ok no matter
[01:03] <elllisd_> looter no os in there, mp3 & flac
[01:04] <Arcane> Ubuntu, Westell Wirespeed on USB doesn't connect with any amount of trying to get it to work, and Network isn't an option.
[01:04] <looter> i want to add some fonts
[01:04] <WMCoolmon> joelbryanster: replace hdx# as appropriate :p
[01:04] <joelbryanster> WMCoolmon: It's just I want my ntfs partition visible in "Computer" so I put user,noauto options in fstab
[01:04] <chauncey> I guess it aint cool if your pc shuts down spontaneously
[01:04] <looter> i think ubuntu support ttf from windows xp
[01:04] <elllisd_> does anyone know of docs that are a bit more in-depth than the ubuntu starter guide? http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[01:04] <StR> Could anyone help me with this "apt-get update"  error --> http://channels.debian.net/paste/16
[01:05] <beh> can someone help me install mplayer
[01:05] <chauncey> what do you need help with?
[01:05] <chauncey> like how?
[01:05] <chauncey> do you have synaptic installed?
[01:05] <beh> mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not going to be installed
[01:06] <beh> thats what synaptic tells me
[01:06] <joelbryanster> I also have spanned ntfs disk, can I access it in ubuntu?
[01:06] <Arcane> Woo, asking smartly didn't help.
[01:06] <marcin_ant> ok again - how to play sound with mpg321 on ubuntu? my sound card works ok - with gnome apps or with xmms but there is no sound on console
[01:06] <theine> beh: which cpu do you have?
[01:06] <beh> celeron
[01:06] <WMCoolmon> joelbryanster: ahh, to be honest i just use /mnt/w2kc and such. :p
[01:06] <theine> beh: try the mplayer-586 package
[01:06] <beh> i did it gives me things it can't install just like this did
[01:06] <WMCoolmon> StR: i took a look, you do have gzip installed and working properly?
[01:06] <beh> Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[01:06] <beh> Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[01:07] <Xgates> say for the kernel at boot up is there a way to have it boot up more BSD style just showing the hardware, detected and loading rather then system services, daemons startup?
[01:07] <StR> WMCoolmon: yes...
[01:07] <joelbryanster> WMCoolmon: try putting user,noauto on the options, and you'll see your mounted partition in "Computer"
[01:07] <britt_radiofree> does the default kernel have scsi emulation turned on?
[01:07] <z0mbix> has anyone got raid1 working from a server-expert installation?
[01:07] <z0mbix> i'm having trouble booting after what looked like a successful installation
[01:07] <Xgates> since I killed alot of services with rcconf it still shows it starting what is not there and I dont care to see daemon startups at all
[01:07] <Xgates> britt_radiofree, yes
[01:08] <beh> theine: is there some repository or something im missing
[01:08] <StR> WMCoolmon: it has been workin, I don't know wy it stopped
[01:08] <theine> beh: have you enabled any 3rd party repositories?
[01:08] <britt_radiofree> Xgates, hrm ...
[01:08] <beh> where do i enable that
[01:08] <beh> i edited sources.list
[01:08] <spiderworm> hey all how would i set up ubuntu to so an smbmount on boot?
[01:08] <beh> but im not sure if i did it correctly
[01:08] <chauncey> sounds like dependency hell
[01:08] <theine> beh: what did you try to do?
[01:09] <beh> i copied the example sources.list into mine
[01:09] <beh> and reloaded
[01:09] <MMond> uhm... help.. please.. uhh, I did "cat $SHELL" on my terminal . . . (as instructed in a tutorial site) ... and uhh, it's all messed up now.. the terminal . . . with no letters of english :x
[01:09] <theine> beh: what example config?
[01:09] <beh> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:09] <britt_radiofree> ok, just got it working on my desktop, but not my laptop ... odd something must be broken
[01:09] <iMeXdiAC> i tried just to set up a bridge .. though it didnt work used bridge-utls package (setup bridge add interfaces zero them up br0 interface) though no traffic went through :? ..
[01:09] <Arcane> ... Any chance anyone knows how to get a USB Westell Wirespeed working?
[01:10] <StR> WMCoolmon: any ideas_
[01:10] <theine> beh: comment out the three debian-marillat lines and try again
[01:10] <MMond> In essence, what _is_ $SHELL? I can "cat $SHELL" and I can also "ls $SHELL" any explanations, please? :s
[01:11] <WMCoolmon> StR: unfortunately no :( all I can suggest is disabling those repos and trying to get any packages you want from the others
[01:11] <blahrus> crimsun: you around?
[01:11] <joelbryanster> anyone here experienced in spanned ntfs disk to work with ubuntu?
[01:12] <iMeXdiAC> $var is a variable defined up in the text like var=/tmp
[01:12] <saik0> greetings
[01:12] <beh> theine: i get a warning message when synaptic starts
[01:12] <theine> MMond: SHELL is an environment variable that tells you which shell you are running, try "echo $SHELL"
[01:13] <WMCoolmon> MMond: by saying "cat $SHELL" you told linux to copy the contents of the file contained in $SHELL to the console
[01:13] <theine> beh: what does it say?
[01:13] <WMCoolmon> MMond: what you saw was the binary code that makes up your current shell (the thing that handles all the commands), probably /bin/bash
[01:13] <beh> theine: actually it was no big deal it was just saying it can't find the cdrom:// repository
[01:13] <beh> but now i think it will work
[01:14] <beh> its not giving me those dependency messages
[01:14] <saik0> I uninstalled OOo 1.3 to try the 1.9 milestone, decided it was'nt ready for daily use and upon installing 1.3 again the GUI is uglified, how do I make it look like the rest of my GTK apps (human)
[01:14] <chauncey> why would you need the cdrom repo?
[01:14] <theine> beh: you might want to remove the cdrom line as well from sources.list
[01:14] <beh> yeah
[01:14] <chauncey> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:15] <theine> beh: if you want to able to play all kinds of video codecs, I suggest to install the w32codecs package locally
[01:15] <WMCoolmon> beh:so mplayer installs fine now?
[01:15] <Arcane> ... Westell Wirespeed. Anyone. -_-
[01:15] <theine> beh: wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb
[01:16] <beh> ok
[01:16] <beh> thanks
[01:17] <theine> beh: that's one line in a terminal, you need to enter your user password when it asks for a password
[01:17] <superted> isn't gtk-sharp in hoary?
[01:17] <chauncey> yeah.
[01:18] <uphu> I win becuase no one can solve my problem! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25276
[01:18] <chase> does ubuntu install rpms?
[01:18] <uphu> no
[01:18] <vasi> is there any easy way to save the contents of gnome-terminal?
[01:18] <kdp> chase: use alien to convert from rpm to deb
[01:18] <vasi> chase, take a look at the 'alien' utility?
[01:18] <uphu> I think there is some program to turn rpms to debs
[01:18] <Arcane> ... uphu, nobody can solve mine either.
[01:18] <WMCoolmon> vasi: copy-paste (middle click)
[01:18] <superted> chauncey: is it the gtk-sharp-gapi package?
[01:18] <uphu> Well what's yours arcane?
[01:18] <chase> kdp, vasi, thanks ill do that now
[01:18] <vasi> WMCoolmon, there's no "Select All" however :-/
[01:18] <theine> vasi: is it the output of an command that you want to save?
[01:18] <Arcane> Can't get a Westell Wirespeed modem working.
[01:18] <Arcane> USB.
[01:18] <WMCoolmon> Arcane: never heard of it, are you sure it's supported by your kernel?
[01:19] <Arcane> ... I don't know if it is, honestly, though it's detected
[01:19] <uphu> Well at least you can acess a gui
[01:19] <chase> how about converting from source to deb? is there a how to for it?
[01:19] <Arcane> ... Chase, just build it. -_-
[01:19] <WMCoolmon> vasi: click and hold down the left mouse button, move it up, the window should auto-scroll and select stuff
[01:19] <Arcane> And yes, I can, but I can't INSTALL until I can get the modem working due to parents.
[01:19] <vasi> theine, i want to save the output of several commands....it's for a class, the prof wants a log of a series of executions of a program
[01:20] <blahrus> anyone having issues with totem and amd64?
[01:20] <chase> Arcane, fair enought. the easy option ye
[01:20] <vasi> WMCoolmon, i guess that's the best solution...not as easy as i'd like, but thanks anyhow
[01:20] <Arcane> The easy option ye?
[01:20] <uphu> Well I do say my problem is a bi---
[01:20] <vasi> i may just go back to konsole :-)
[01:20] <Xgates> ok I installed the 2.6.10 src from Ubuntu with apt-get then compiled it as: --> 'make-kpkg clean'  'make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 kernel_image' BUT the friggin thing keeps crapping on me: --> Kernel panic - not syncying: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[01:21] <theine> vasi: if you issue a command 'foo', run it as 'foo >> bar.log' to save the output in the file bar.log
[01:21] <Xgates> CRAP anyone know whats going on here
[01:21] <Xgates> errrrr
[01:21] <kdp> ok my friend is having trouble connecting to IRC
[01:21] <uphu> I tried gentoo, what a waste of time
[01:21] <WMCoolmon> vasi: ah, actually, you should be able to do what you want to do by "./program > output.txt", which will save all the standard output to 'output.txt'
[01:21] <chauncey> hey uphu, I have a question for ya
[01:21] <uphu> yea?
[01:21] <chauncey> you ran xorgconfig?
[01:21] <vasi> yes i know how to redirect...not quite what i wanted
[01:21] <vasi> thanks guys
[01:21] <WMCoolmon> vasi: theine is also correct; >> will concatenate, > will truncate
[01:21] <uphu> xorgconfig?
[01:21] <vasi> i'll google some more and see if i can find anything i like more
[01:21] <uphu> I guess not
[01:21] <Xgates> I have the kernel compiled correct for my hardware, but all I can think is I took out something that Ubuntu is configured for to use in the kernel
[01:21] <beh> how can i set up my sound card with alsa?
[01:21] <Arcane> ... How come some people keep posting their problem OVER AND OVER?
[01:21] <chauncey> yeah. you want to run that to fix xserver problems
[01:21] <Arcane> alsaconf, I believe, beh
[01:22] <uphu> I don't remember ever getting an option to run it chauncey
[01:22] <chauncey> are you able to boot up in ubuntu?
[01:22] <DooD> guys i installed kubuntu ont my system and my jedit doesn't work anymore any idea why?
[01:22] <uphu> Yea, I can use rescue mode
[01:22] <theine> vasi: what's wrong with redirecting? I'm just curious...
[01:22] <beh> Arcane: alsaconf in the terminal?
[01:22] <uphu> So I can use the good ol console and stuff
[01:22] <WMCoolmon> Xgates: first, make sure you've got the root= option in grub set up
[01:22] <uphu> uhm, that's it though
[01:22] <Arcane> I guess.
[01:23] <WMCoolmon> Xgates: then make sure you have all the needed partition types and filesystem types installed
[01:23] <uphu> So how to I run xorgconfig from the command line?
[01:23] <Arcane> If not, go to /bin and dir and run whichever program starts with alsa and seems to have something to do with config.
[01:23] <vasi> theine, it works well for a single command...but if you basically want to save "here's what i did this session", it's not great
[01:23] <chauncey> it's not an obvious option. the xserver tries to configure itself as best it can all on it's own but it may poop on itself occasionally
[01:23] <WMCoolmon> Xgate: installed = compiled into the kernel
[01:23] <vasi> you either have to 'tee' every command
[01:23] <saik0> I uninstalled OOo 1.3 to try the 1.9 milestone, decided it was'nt ready for daily use and upon installing 1.3 again the GUI is uglified, how do I make it look like the rest of my GTK apps (human)
[01:23] <Arcane> Westell Wirespeed. Anyone. -_-
[01:23] <vasi> or maybe tee the whole shell session? i dunno if that's doable
[01:23] <theine> vasi: ah ok, i see
[01:23] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, hmm maybe its the partition types I removed all of them I didnt know they where needed, I've never used them before
[01:23] <chauncey> so what you want to do is get to a terminal and run the configuration yourself
[01:23] <stoneguy3> vasi: if you want to concatenate outputs from multiple commands, best bet is to put the commands separated by ;s inside a pair of parens, and do the redirection after the closing paern. That way you set up a sub-shell.
[01:23] <uphu> Well it's the third time I tried to install this
[01:23] <Arnia> saik0: Ensure you have openoffice-gnome installed
[01:23] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, that must be it
[01:24] <blahrus> anyone having issues with totem and amd64?
[01:24] <uphu> Sorry, I got to go, but thanks for the insight, I'll try to research it more through google
[01:24] <chauncey> the xserver can be a bitch on any number of distros because of the vast variety of video options
[01:24] <Arcane> Oh, and I bugged Westell about the drivers, and they wouldn't say ANYTHING.
[01:24] <DooD> guya no one can help me?
[01:25] <libben> http://tinyurl.com/3ptfn
[01:25] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, thanks
[01:25] <WMCoolmon> Xgates: np :)
[01:25] <theine> vasi: the script command might be what you're looking for...
[01:25] <vasi> theine, Konsole has "Save history as...", OS X Terminal.app has "Save Terminal text" (or something like that)....
[01:25] <vasi> maybe i'll suggest to the gnome-terminal folks, or put together a patch
[01:25] <Arcane> ... DooD, trust me, if it's working at all, be happy. I kinda can't get internet to work at all.
[01:25] <vasi> yeah, once i'm sure the script works i guess i'll do that
[01:26] <Ubuntu-> hello, how can i install some .deb packages in ubuntu
[01:26] <theine> vasi: script works very well, i just tried it out
[01:26] <saik0> Arnia, indeed I do, oddly it looks as if I dont, and is'ny using the GNOMEish 'File Picker' so i'm guessing the OOo-gtk-gnome package is'nt working on my system right now
[01:27] <theOtherShoe> Ubuntu-: sudo dpkg install your-deb-package
[01:27] <Arnia> saik0: Try reinstalling it... it could be removing 1.9 messed it up
[01:27] <Ubuntu-> ok thanks a lot
[01:27] <Ubuntu-> :)
[01:27] <Ubuntu-> i'll try that
[01:27] <vasi> theine, i meant once i'm sure my commands in the script work...i know the technique works fine :-) thanks
[01:27] <DooD> Arcane: but why?
[01:27] <theine> vasi: ok :)
[01:27] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, you talking about ---->  Partition Types  --->
[01:27] <Arcane> ... I didn't even SEE your problem. But I can't use my internet -_-
[01:27] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, I thought that was if you partionted Linux under another OS
[01:27] <Xgates> hmm
[01:28] <Arcane> So I'm stuck with Windows 98.
[01:28] <DooD> Arcane: isn't it supposed to be mature enough before they release a final version
[01:28] <DooD> my problem is Jedit
[01:28] <Arcane> Oh, it's mature enough, I guess. I'm just saying you should be glad for what you have.
[01:28] <DooD> i doesn't work anymore
[01:28] <DooD> on neither desktops
[01:29] <WMCoolmon> Arcane: is this the problem you're having? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/305835
[01:29] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, I personally dont get that I would need any partition type in here, other then -->  [*]    PC BIOS (MSDOS partition tables) support (NEW)
[01:29] <chase> anyone know a list of good apt sources for hoary 64-bit?
[01:30] <saik0> Arnia, this makes no sense: I noticed my CPU usage was at 100% unexplainably, ran top and found out nano was taking up all my CPU, did killall nano, and ran OOo again, at look at that it works!
[01:30] <WMCoolmon> Xgates: I'd try checking the BIOS support, and also making sure that the right IDE driver is installed
[01:30] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, but then I dont see how that does anything since I have NTFS and I compiled that in under FS
[01:30] <Arcane> I'll reboot and try again.
[01:30] <mkde> hi there, are the security repositories working, or not yet? I get the following error: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/bina ry-i386/Packages.gz  Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.151) . - connect (111 Connection refused)
[01:30] <xulin> hi
[01:30] <Arcane> It won't connect at all, but I'll try the method there
[01:30] <Arnia> saik0: ... I'm a bit freaked out by that
[01:30] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, I have the right IDE support compiled in, and what do you mean about the BIOS ?
[01:31] <Arcane> Rebooty time.
[01:31] <benplaut> Xgates: are you on this channel 16 hours a day?!?
[01:31] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, thing is I've compiled kernels many years under Slack, and I have not changed anything here other then leaving in Ubuntu stuff that it might want, this seems to be more a Ubuntu issue
[01:31] <vasi> oh man, there's also no "find" in gnome-terminal? that's it, i'm definitely sticking to konsole
[01:31] <saik0> Arnia, As was I. As was I. But now it broke it being swallowed by mozplugger lol.
[01:32] <xulin> i have a bug installing hoary .. lilo hoes to hdd .. the is 2 hd with bootflags ..
[01:32] <WMCoolmon> Xgates: I've got that and LDM checked and have a kernel that gets to the init stage
[01:32] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, sorry what?
[01:32] <mrWoot> I get the error: "GLIB 2.0.0 or better is required. The latest version of GLIB is always available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/." I have GLIB installed, what am I doing wrong?
[01:32] <fgx>  crimsun maybe /dev/tty work with vesafb?
[01:32] <WMCoolmon> Xgates: you've definitely got more kernel compiling experience than me though :p
[01:33] <WMCoolmon> Xgates: I've compiled an Ubunto kernel that gets to init (actually, it gets to login but doesn't get much further than that); I checked those just to be on the safe side
[01:33] <qweqw> i can't figure out how to get a working custom-compiled kernel on ubuntu
[01:33] <Xgates> WMCoolmon, yea this is some Ubuntu crap that I'm having problems with, I have my hardware setup correct in the kernel
[01:33] <qweqw> (either)
[01:33] <DooD> mrWoot: did what are your repository sets
[01:34] <mrWoot> DooD, What?
[01:34] <qweqw> i have no need for init ramdisks, which seems to be required
[01:34] <saik0> On the up side I got mozplugger to swallow evince for all my online video and PDF viewing needs, it's sexy
[01:34] <saik0> evince and totem*
[01:34] <DooD> mrWoot do you have hoary working already?
[01:34] <theine> WMCoolmon, Xgates: why are you guys compiling your own kernels by the way?
[01:34] <mrWoot> yes
[01:34] <mrWoot> DooD, Yes i do
[01:35] <DooD> mrWoot can you bring up gnome?
[01:35] <qweqw> theine, it's ridiculous to have support for so much hardware you don't have
[01:35] <WMCoolmon> Xgates: *shrugs* could be
[01:35] <pvh> Is "ntfsresize" safe to use?
[01:35] <Xgates> because its to bloated and not setup for the correct cpu
[01:35] <mkde> qweqw, got a small hard disk?
[01:35] <Xgates> i386 isnt that great for a AMD
[01:35] <mrWoot> DooD, I am using gnome right now
[01:35] <mkde> recompiling won't give you much of a speed increase
[01:35] <qweqw> no, mkde
[01:35] <theine> qweqw, are you concerned about wasting hard disk space or what?
[01:35] <DooD> mrWoot bring up a terminal
[01:35] <mkde> qweqw, do what's wrong with having support for hardware?
[01:36] <mkde> *so
[01:36] <Xgates> 5mins is all it takes me to compile it in Slackware and I have been at this thing for friggin hours in Ubuntu
[01:36] <WMCoolmon> theine: I like to have small & fast kernels to keep the startup time down.
[01:36] <Xgates> damm this sucks
[01:36] <qweqw> it's unecessary
[01:36] <toresbe> pvh: yeah
[01:36] <DooD> mrWoot: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:36] <mkde> qweqw, in what way?
[01:36] <toresbe> pvh: ntfsresize is completely safe, and there have been no reported problems :)
[01:36] <mkde> qweqw, what is the disadvantage
[01:36] <Xgates> simple to use distros like these suck when it comes to trying to custom set them up
[01:36] <qweqw> kernel size
[01:36] <toresbe> Xgates: True with other easy-to-use distros
[01:36] <toresbe> Xgates: Most false with Ubuntu
[01:36] <pvh> toresbe: thanks. I've got a bunch more CDs to rip still and lots of empty space on the ol' windows partition.
[01:36] <mkde> qweqw, support for hardware is all built as modules in ubuntu
[01:37] <Arnia> qweqw: Most of the hardware is supported as modules I believe which aren't loaded until needed anyway
[01:37] <mrWoot> DooD, Okay, now what?
[01:37] <DooD> mrWoot: see what is unhashed
[01:37] <qweqw> that's the point, i don't need a modular kernel
[01:37] <qweqw> i can fit all my hardware in <2mb
[01:37] <qweqw> monolithic
[01:37] <toresbe> pvh: btw, ntfsresize on google, first hit:
[01:37] <mkde> qweqw, well if you build things in, your kernel won't be smaller after all
[01:37] <mrWoot> DooD, may I pm you?
[01:37] <theine> qweqw, you know that only the required modules are loaded into memory, right?
[01:37] <DooD> sure
[01:37] <toresbe> http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html, or the "NTFS Resize FAQ"
[01:37] <mkde> oh well
[01:37] <Xgates> toresbe: well then maybe you could be so kind if I email you my .config you could look at it to tell me if there is a option in it that Ubuntu needs, because I have my hardware setup correct and its not working
[01:37] <toresbe> pvh: GIYF :)
[01:38] <qweqw> yes, i know that
[01:38] <toresbe> Xgates: what is the problem?
[01:38] <pvh> toresbe: thanks.
[01:38] <vasi> btw, the new update manager is sooo pretty....whoever designed that has my eternal gratitude
[01:38] <qweqw> after booting, i am using 74mb of ram on ubuntu
[01:38] <DooD> mrWoot if you pmed i didn't get anything
[01:38] <mkde> qweqw, thats not your kernel
[01:38] <qweqw> yes, most of it is modules
[01:38] <mrWoot> DooD, I have not yet, i was asking permission
[01:38] <Arnia> Gnome + X.org mostly I'd imagine
[01:38] <mkde> qweqw, ok i give up
[01:38] <qweqw> running the same program on gentoo, i use 24mb
[01:38] <mkde> recompile your kernel
[01:38] <qweqw> programs
[01:38] <DooD> mrWoot permission granted
[01:38] <DooD> lol
[01:39] <theine> qweqw, /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 is 1.2M ...
[01:39] <Reblended> qweqw: so you are saying Ubuntu is a memory hog?
[01:39] <Arnia> qweqw: Run 'top' after start up and see what is using most of your RAM
[01:39] <zansky> hello folks, when I run the command "last -i" on my fresh install of Ubuntu I get a strange IP address 194.135.4.8 in my logs its the IP for "Samara City Bank" in Russia? is somebody having a practical joke?
[01:39] <qweqw> yes, Reblended
[01:39] <Xgates> toresbe: I installed the src kernel from Ubuntu, ran on it --> make-kpkg clean
[01:39] <Xgates>  && make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 kernel_image, at boot up I keep getting: -->     Kernel panic - not syncying: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[01:39] <mkde> gentoo has no speed increase over ubuntu on my laptop
[01:39] <mkde> or minimal
[01:39] <qweqw> no shit Arnia, i've been compiling linux kernels for 8 years
[01:40] <qweqw> you might notice if you had 64mb of ram, mkde
[01:40] <toresbe> Xgates: are you passing root= to it?
[01:40] <mkde> qweqw, dunno ubuntu is quite aggressively optimised
[01:40] <darkaudit> ahoy hoy
[01:40] <mkde> qweqw, and most gentoo users don't optimise that much
[01:41] <qweqw> true
[01:41] <qweqw> i'm not comparing distros, because ubuntu is the superior distro on my amd64 machine
[01:41] <qweqw> as far as the speed of the binaries is concerned
[01:41] <WMCoolmon> mkdeo: according to top, 450 MB used and 55 free of my 512 MB
[01:41] <Arnia> I'm just confused as to why a kernel would be using so much RAM
[01:41] <netdur> hey, it is ok to remove " deb-src" line from /apt/source.list?
[01:42] <uphu> Hi ubuntu, I hate your damn xorg xserver crap!
[01:42] <JaZy84> can anyone help me setup my sound?
[01:42] <uphu> woops
[01:42] <uphu> thats just kinda slipped
[01:42] <Xgates> toresbe, here is /boot/grub/menu.lst:  title   Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-1-686
[01:42] <Xgates> root  (hd0,6)
[01:42] <Xgates>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1-686 root=/dev/hda7 ro single    initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-1-686
[01:42] <Xgates> 
[01:42] <matt__> uphu - once you get the hang of setting up the xserver it's no big deal.
[01:42] <mkde> uphu, what do you prefer?
[01:42] <WMCoolmon> mkde: that's running gaim, a gaim window, xirc with just this room, two consoles, and firefox
[01:42] <Xgates> toresbe: its the same standard grub options that the default kernel image has
[01:42] <qweqw> Arnia, a modular kernel seems to use more ram.. kernel+modules
[01:42] <mkde> WMCoolmon, top can be misleading
[01:42] <matt__> you really need to know what your monitor values are and it's no big deal.
[01:43] <Arnia> qweqw: I didn't know you've been doing it that long. I apologise, but its hard to know who knows what around here :)
[01:43] <JaZy84> i have the module for the sound started, but i still dont' hear anything. and when i run xmms it says no device.
[01:43] <matt__> slackware was a bitch too until I learned what was up with setting up x
[01:43] <theine> qweqw, how much more?
[01:43] <MMond> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[01:43] <MMond>   <-- anyone else gettings lots of things on "apt-get update?" :s
[01:43] <Xgates> Slackware is eays
[01:43] <olorin> is there any way to configure xorg with the fglrx drivers and enabled COMPOSITE ?
[01:43] <Xgates> LOL
[01:43] <toresbe> Xgates: odd
[01:43] <WMCoolmon> mkde: i hope so :p
[01:43] <holycow> zansky has a point, thats interesting, when you do last -i, what are those weird ips?
[01:43] <toresbe> olorin: nope
[01:43] <Xgates> eays/easy ......
[01:43] <mkde> olorin, no
[01:43] <qweqw> Arnia, linux is becoming mainstream..
[01:43] <qweqw> which is fantastic
[01:44] <qweqw> but users aren't as expert as they used to be
[01:44] <olorin> mkde: ok, thx, i stop searching :(
[01:44] <qweqw> theine, 30mb more for me
[01:44] <qweqw> it's a moot point, though.. i'm arguing for no reason.. sorry ;)
[01:44] <uphu> unfortunatly linux is pumped out of programmers writing from their parents basements
[01:44] <Xgates> toresbe: I use to have a ftp site, but if I email ya my .config would you know if there was something in it that Ubuntu might need for this?
[01:44] <matt__> yeah, but unless you know how to setup x everydistro has the potential to suck if xfree or xorg craps on you
[01:44] <qweqw> fortunately, uphu !
[01:45] <holycow> uphu, i hardly call that unfortunate
[01:45] <uphu> jesus, you're weird :p
[01:45] <JaZy84> can anyone tell me were to look for help on my sound card?
[01:45] <qweqw> lack of burn-out is a great thing
[01:45] <Xgates> hey holycow NOW I'm dying on getting a kernel compiled LOL
[01:45] <mkde> uphu, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should be enough to configure X
[01:45] <Xgates> damm thing
[01:45] <matt__> look uphu - do you know your video settings like horizontal refresh and vertical refresh?
[01:45] <qweqw> programming for the love of programming equals better software ;)
[01:45] <matt__> you need thosed values
[01:45] <holycow> Xgates, why?
[01:45] <uphu> Well if I did I wouldn't be able to fix it
[01:46] <mkde> uphu, ?
[01:46] <uphu> and I don't think its my refresh rate... (well maybe it is)
[01:46] <holycow> Xgates, with debian that is pointless, the entire kernel is modular, there is no need for recompiles unless you are doing something really weird
[01:46] <theandrewski> is there any way to manually download/downgrade the nvidia driver to one that works?
[01:46] <uphu> mkde, ?
[01:46] <theine> qweqw, and you custom includes all the drivers that are loaded as modules when you use the stock Ubuntu kernel?
[01:46] <mkde> uphu, i guess you meant "would be able to fix it"?
[01:47] <theine> qweqw, 's/you custom/your custom kernel/'
[01:47] <qweqw> theine, i have hardware i don't use.. such as firewire, usb, RAID, etc..
[01:47] <uphu> hrm, do you know my probelm?
[01:47] <uphu> Is this about me bashing linux?  Because I was kidding...
[01:47] <matt__> no, listen uphu did you run  xorgconfig?
[01:47] <Xgates> holycow: I installed the src from apt-get then ran: 'make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 kernel_image, NOW the bloody thing keeps saying:  ---> Kernel panic - not syncying: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[01:47] <theine> qweqw, ah, ok, that makes the 30 mb easier to believe... :)
[01:47] <MMond> At installation of apache2.. I did something so mysql isn't working . . . what can I do now, I installed apache2 through "apt-get" . . . now I can't recompile it or something? (keep in mind.. I'm a nub, and most of my things I say don't work/make sense"
[01:47] <jldugger> Xgates, I always start by trying to rebuild the defualt kernel, and try and work my way towards the goal, ya know?
[01:47] <uphu> No one tells me how to
[01:47] <looter> ubuntu cant "see" a ntsf partition using places computer
[01:47] <matt__> yeah your xorg.config file is hosed
[01:47] <looter> ntfs
[01:47] <mkde> qweqw, you could try blacklisting those drivers
[01:47] <Xgates> holycow: I run AMD I dont want a kernel compiled for i386
[01:48] <mkde> so they don't get loaded
[01:48] <Xgates> LOL
[01:48] <matt__> I'm trying to tell you what will probably help you uphu but hey. whatever
[01:48] <qweqw> i have already..
[01:48] <uphu> so how can I fix my xorg.config?
[01:48] <jldugger> Xgates, there's 686 based kernel packages
[01:48] <looter> any ideas? (second day using ubuntu)
[01:48] <mkde> qweqw, but it still loads the modules?
[01:48] <uphu> Will I have to do this manually?] 
[01:48] <qweqw> nah, i just want to be able to compile the kernel myself
[01:48] <mkde> heh
[01:48] <mkde> well some people are just addicted
[01:48] <jldugger> Xgates, you might try apt-cache search linux-image
[01:48] <mkde> :p
[01:48] <Xgates> jldugger: yes I did that 6 years ago experience isnt the problem its Distro specific as in the case something Ubuntu needs that isnt the norm for compiling
[01:48] <qweqw> indeed
[01:49] <matt__> it's simple - get to a terminal and run "sudo xorgconfig"
[01:49] <WMCoolmon> qweqw: do you know if ubuntu needs PTY support?
[01:49] <qweqw> in general? no
[01:49] <qweqw> i need it, though
[01:49] <xmux> WMCoolmon: yes, it does
[01:49] <matt__> it will ask a bunch of detailed questions. you need to know the right answer for each one.
[01:49] <DonL> Hi folks
[01:49] <xmux> Unless you never want to open a terminal window
[01:49] <Xgates> jldugger: I build my own, just need to figure what the problem is with Ubuntu, and what it wants
[01:49] <jldugger> Xgates, i dont know if its "Distro Specific"
[01:49] <theandrewski> where can i download warty's nvidia driver?
[01:49] <WMCoolmon> so, yes. :)
[01:50] <uphu> "it's simple - get to a terminal and run "sudo xorgconfig"" That will fix my problem?
[01:50] <matt__> most important will be your monitors refresh rates
[01:50] <JaZy84> can anyone point me to installing my sound card. i got it running by using modprobe snd-via82xx but xmms and gnome vomlume control doesn't find card..
[01:50] <holycow> so anyone have an opinion on the weird ip address when you do last -i ?
[01:50] <qweqw> uphu, you might want to try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:50] <looter> ubuntu cant "see" a ntsf partition using places,computer
[01:50] <holycow> none of my debian machines show anything like t hat
[01:50] <looter> any ideas?
[01:50] <Xgates> jldugger: after running Slackware 5 years and been compiling them since 2.0x I can tell you it is
[01:50] <qweqw> you can choose the refresh rates based on the size of the monitor
[01:50] <jldugger> Xgates, that error is most frequently caused by not having the proper filesystems built in instead of kernel, but initrd is supposed to fix that.
[01:50] <uphu> ok
[01:50] <qweqw> choose "Simple"
[01:51] <GarySaved> I have been using the Hoary version for awhile.  How do I update the system so it is running the final version?
[01:51] <theandrewski> GarySaved: update as you would have before. :)
[01:51] <Xgates> jldugger: I have the FS compiled in
[01:51] <GarySaved> I went to do something, and it asked for the preview CD.
[01:51] <matt__> yes uphu that is another way too. but at any rate xorg.config needs to be straight.
[01:51] <qweqw> they won't reflect your monitor exactly, but the settings aren't extreme enough to damage it
[01:51] <jldugger> Xgates, where'd you get the source code from?
[01:51] <Xgates> jldugger: yes thats what I was thinking and I have been playing with it
[01:51] <uphu> thanks for the help, I'll try this out
[01:51] <Reblended> if the update doesn't work, can I roll back?
[01:51] <Xgates> jldugger: apt-get linux-source
[01:51] <theandrewski> GarySaved: which cd?
[01:51] <qweqw> good luck
[01:51] <Xirdneh> Hithere, anyone knows a good sound recorder?, i have google it but just came up a lot of death links :s
[01:52] <WMCoolmon> Xirdneh: apt-get install audacity
[01:52] <GarySaved> It wanted the preview version that was posted last week.
[01:52] <LinuxJones> Xgates, your getting kernel panic ?
[01:52] <WMCoolmon> Xirdneh: as su
[01:52] <theandrewski> GarySaved: disable the cd in your sources.list.
[01:52] <blizah> i have a 200gb drive w/ a fresh hoary on it and it says i have 169gb free..does that sound right?...when i highlight everything on filesystem and do properties it says its 2 gb's
[01:52] <looter> ubuntu cant "see" a ntfs partition using places,computer.Any ideas?
[01:52] <Xirdneh> WMCoolmon, let me try it, thnx :D
[01:52] <qweqw> Xirdneh, what do you need?
[01:52] <qweqw> basic microphone recording?
[01:52] <blizah> did it use the other 18 gbs for other partitions
[01:53] <blizah> ?
[01:53] <Xirdneh> qweqw, im trying to record all my cassetes to convert them in to ogg
[01:53] <WMCoolmon> blizah: hardware manufacturers have a different definition of 'megabyte'
[01:53] <Xirdneh> or mp3
[01:53] <qweqw> do you need specific formats(wav, aiff, etc)?
[01:53] <Xgates> LinuxJones: Kernel panic - not syncying: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[01:53] <holycow> so no one is weirded out by the strange ip addresses when you do last -i? i can't believe no one is even commenting on this
[01:53] <blizah> wmcoolmon so everything is cool?
[01:53] <WMCoolmon> blizah: hw MB = 1000 kbytes, software MB = 1024 kbytes
[01:53] <blizah> k
[01:53] <Arnia> holycow: What strange IP address?
[01:53] <qweqw> Xirdneh, er.. no clue how to do that, and preserve sound quality
[01:53] <JaZy84> can anyone point me to installing my sound card. i got it running by using modprobe snd-via82xx but xmms and gnome vomlume control doesn't find card..
[01:53] <blizah> looter you tring to see a windows hd right?
[01:53] <holycow> 242.135.4.8  and 194.135.4.8
[01:54] <MMond> At installation of apache2.. I did something so mysql isn't working . . . what can I do now, I installed apache2 through "apt-get" (along everything else.. like php4, library packages, etc.) . . . now I can't recompile it or something? (keep in mind.. I'm a nub, and most of my things I say don't work/make sense"  <-- help, please..
[01:54] <qweqw> seems like you'd need a specific device for that
[01:54] <blizah> looter i only found this for doing it with a sata raid maybe it will come in handy..but not sure
[01:54] <saik0> I'm still weired out by nano taking up 100% of a 2.8Ghz processor....man that was weird
[01:54] <Xirdneh> qweqw, i have succed in doing that with genome sound recorder, just that i sometimes need to do some specific arrangements to the sound, thats what im looking for
[01:54] <qweqw> did you try to open /dev/urandom, saik0 ;)
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Xgates, did you end up using a ramdisk or build everything in the kernel itself ?
[01:54] <holycow> Arnia, none of my debian boxes have anything other that my local ip
[01:54] <JaZy84> i've tried running esd
[01:54] <drspin> GnomeBaker takes FOREVER to convert audio to CD audio
[01:55] <Ex-Cyber> WMCoolmon: I think it's not so much a matter of hardware vs. software as silicon vs. non-silicon
[01:55] <JaZy84> but i get /dev/dsp no such file or directory
[01:55] <theandrewski> GarySaved: eh?
[01:55] <WMCoolmon> Ex-Cyber: from what I hear it's a marketing ploy
[01:55] <qweqw> ahh, sorry.. Xirdneh.. i am only aware of basic command line utilities for sound recording, sounds like you need something more advanced.. i'd check http://www.freshmeat.net if i was you
[01:55] <theine> saik0: I think there is a serious bug in nano, I witnessed the same thing on one of my university's servers where appearently one guy didn't shut nano down properly...
[01:55] <blizah> looter this if for getting ubuntu to see a windows sata raid...http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2557...not sure maybe it will hint to how to do it normally
[01:55] <MMond> At installation of apache2.. I did something so mysql isn't working . . . what can I do now, I installed apache2 through "apt-get" (along everything else.. like php4, library packages, etc.) . . . now I can't recompile it or something? (keep in mind.. I'm a nub, and most of my things I say don't work/make sense"  <-- yeah. so any hints? at all? please? :z
[01:55] <WMCoolmon> Ex-Cyber: it is better, mathematically, for a megabyte to be 1024 kbytes; but hardware manufacturers prefer 1000 kb because it makes the drives sound larger
[01:56] <jldugger> theine, doing nano over telnet can screw things up, im told
[01:56] <Arnia> holycow: Hmm... I see them now
[01:56] <holycow> Arnia, freaky?
[01:56] <holycow> do a whois on 194.135.4.8
[01:56] <theine> saik0: Actually I was wrong... he was running pico (and in fact still is -- at 99.7 per cent...)
[01:56] <Arnia> holycow: A bit... err
[01:56] <qweqw> pico is bad software
[01:57] <holycow> exactly
[01:57] <Arnia> Wtf has he done
[01:57] <Xirdneh> qweqw, ok let me give it a try, thnx
[01:57] <Xgates> LinuxJones: I leaft the ramdisk options alone
[01:57] <Xgates> left ...
[01:57] <holycow> Arnia, so how do we track down what that is first of all?
[01:57] <holycow> it looks quite serious to me?
[01:57] <qweqw> hope you find something good, Xirdneh
[01:57] <theine> qweqw, I just fell sorry for the nano and pico users who don't take advantage of the pleasures that vim offers... :-)
[01:57] <Arnia> Its an X Session
[01:57] <drspin> GnomeBaker also does not handle the "&" very well... or at all...
[01:57] <Arnia> I think anyway
[01:57] <darkaudit> holycow: what kind of output do you get if you're not connected to the internet?
[01:58] <LinuxJones> Xgates, check your ide support in your .config file >> cat config-2.6.10-4-k7 | grep CONFIG_IDE
[01:58] <matt__> that aint cool arnia
[01:58] <Ex-Cyber> WMCoolmon: I'd say it is to a limited extent on the part of HD manufacturers, in the sense that the only thing you're likely to do with a hard drive is load or store things from binary-addressed memories, but in other contexts (telcommunications, for example) it makes perfect sense to just use powers of ten because you're not necessarily confined to a binary address space
[01:58] <Arnia> No, esp since I use my computer for business
[01:58] <holycow> darkaudit, not sure ... my last entry is friday 8:54
[01:58] <LinuxJones> Xgates, it's probably configured as a module try building it in
[01:58] <Arnia> I need to block X
[01:58] <Arnia> My last entry is NOW
[01:58] <matt__> someone hacked you kid
[01:58] <xmux> Anybody that uses pico/nano probably wastes hundreds of hours of their lifetime
[01:58] <Arnia> Right... changing passwords
[01:59] <Ironfrost> I have a question that might seem a little bit strange
[01:59] <Ironfrost> to do with the package manager
[01:59] <GoneBoB> xmux: ugh pico
[01:59] <Arnia> Just slow things down a bit
[01:59] <Ironfrost> the CD I just installed ubuntu off was corrupt in the area of some of the fonts
[01:59] <drspin> xmux: I use nano every day ;) I prefer it... for quick edits to files
[01:59] <WMCoolmon> Ex-Cyber: ahh, I see what you mean
[01:59] <xmux> drspin: You're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about :-)
[01:59] <Ironfrost> (the files ttf-baekmuk to ttf-malayan-fonts all wouldn't copy)
[02:00] <holycow> oh sorry last weird ip appeared about half hour ago
[02:00] <drspin> xmux: Y??
[02:00] <theine> drspin, prefer it over what?
[02:00] <Ironfrost> I managed to get the thing installed, but ubuntu-desktop depends on them
[02:00] <drspin> xmux: gedit and vi
[02:00] <Arnia> matt__: Any idea how to block it (short of turning off my network)
[02:00] <Ironfrost> so - how do I grab those fonts and ubuntu-desktop from somewhere other than the CD?
[02:00] <xmux> drspin: because trying to edit with pico or nano is really slow and awkward
[02:00] <theine> drspin, I agree on the gedit part...
[02:00] <holycow> and the ip's are spread out randomly, it doesn't look like a regular service calling back at all on an evend out basis .. i was online on saturday and no connections
[02:01] <matt__> yeah, I know a few ways to "harden" your installation against this type of crap
[02:01] <Arcane> Okay, that didn't solve my problem.
[02:01] <Arnia> matt__: Any pages to point to?
[02:01] <matt__> you want to first make sure that remote logins are turned off.
[02:01] <Arnia> Ok... that is done how?
[02:02] <Arcane> I tried using 192.168.1.1 and it just refused my connection. Westell Wirespeeds are evil. :\
[02:02] <drspin> xmux: I started programming in Qbasic years and years and years ago on Dos 5 -- maybe I prefer it from all the hours using the qbasic editing tool
[02:02] <xMaximex> is there a way to install windows fonts under linux ?
[02:02] <drspin> xMaximex: yes -- just copy them into the fonts folder as root
[02:02] <Xgates> LinuxJones: it's compiled in already -->  <*> RAM disk support
[02:02] <darkaudit> looking at my output, it matches times I had the system up and I was logged in...
[02:02] <Arnia> holycow: You got any suggestions?
[02:03] <drspin> xMaximex: then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[02:03] <Xgates> LinuxJones: I changed some of the Ext3 and Ext2 stuff let me see if that helps
[02:03] <xMaximex> what is the font directory ?
[02:03] <drspin> xMaximex: not sure if that last step is necessary but I did it last time I installed fonts...
[02:03] <duncanm> anyone using the SMB mount feature in nautilus?
[02:03] <LinuxJones> Xgates, no your ide controller support
[02:03] <Arcane> Why IS USB so horrible?
[02:03] <holycow> Arnia, well, considering you can traceroute the fucker, i'm going back to debian until someone looks this on an official basis
[02:03] <Ironfrost> ah - ignore my question, I think I figured it out
[02:03] <Ironfrost> (I think!)
[02:03] <drspin> xMaximex: I can't remember a quick google for "Ubuntu installing fonts" might help
[02:03] <LinuxJones> Xgates, if your not using an initrd you need that compiled in the kernel unless your using scsi
[02:04] <holycow> Arnia, looks like someone is building a botnet, maybe ubuntu servers were compromised, i don't know at all to be frank
[02:04] <drspin> holycow: WTF are you talking about?
[02:04] <Xgates> what about initrd I'm using that?
[02:04] <Arnia> drspin: Our systems are hacked
[02:04] <darkaudit> sounds like FUD to me...
[02:05] <Xgates> LinuxJones: yea looking over the IDE stuff
[02:05] <Arnia> drspin: last -i
[02:05] <holycow> drspin, do a last -i on your ubuntu box, and explain the 194.135.4.8 ip address
[02:05] <holycow> do a whois on 194.135.4.8
[02:05] <holycow> i have another ip address
[02:05] <holycow> i bet everyone here does too
[02:05] <Arnia> holycow: Do you have SSHD running?
[02:05] <drspin> Arnia: that's definately not me...
[02:05] <WMCoolmon> i have no 194.135.4.8
[02:06] <holycow> 242.135.4.8  <-- i also have that
[02:06] <Arnia> Same
[02:06] <WMCoolmon> i don't have that either
[02:06] <holycow> all my debian boxes show my local ip, which is fine it doesn't mean they are not rooted, but this is just weird
[02:06] <Arnia> Well, they've got past my router's NAT so I'm going to secure that first
[02:06] <holycow> Arnia, same here
[02:06] <holycow> heh
[02:06] <duncanm> anyone using the SMB mount feature in nautilus? i can't open any of my remote files via nautilus
[02:06] <darkaudit> Arnia: try running the command on a box not connected to the internet... see what you get
[02:07] <Arnia> darkaudit: I don't have such a box
[02:07] <darkaudit> fine... I'll brb...
[02:07] <drspin> Arnia: I don't have a router...
[02:07] <deadcat> can i just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to go to hoary? or i need to download the cd?
[02:07] <drspin> Arnia: sigh...
[02:08] <Ironfrost> OK, I've figured out what my problem is
[02:08] <z0mbix> deadcat: just update
[02:08] <Ironfrost> I want to use the package manager to install some files that were corrupted on the CD
[02:08] <Xgates> LinuxJones: I have it compiled in -->  [*]    Initial RAM disk (initrd) support and I'm using a .img file in /boot when running --> make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 kernel_image
[02:08] <z0mbix> deadcat: make sure you update your /etc/apt/sources.list first
[02:08] <deadcat> z0mbix: so it works then?
[02:08] <Ironfrost> but when I say to install them, it wants to get them off the CD
[02:08] <z0mbix> deadcat: yes
[02:08] <holycow> Arnia, although quite frankly i dont see how they could of bypassed our firewall
[02:08] <_ominae> hi
[02:08] <holycow> the only way is to tunnel over port 80
[02:08] <Ironfrost> how do I make it so that the files will be installed from a different place?
[02:08] <Ex-Cyber> Host 8.4.135.194.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[02:08] <deadcat> z0mbix: cool
[02:09] <Arcane> Screw it, I'll wait a while for people to write actual new drivers.
[02:09] <_ominae> is xorg included in ubuntu or does it only use xfree86 by default
[02:09] <z0mbix> Ironfrost: sudo apt-setup
[02:09] <deadcat> _ominae: uses xorg
[02:09] <Ex-Cyber> _ominae: xorg is in hoary, xfree was in warty
[02:09] <_ominae> thanks
[02:10] <_ominae> hey is there dvd iso or do you have to download them with jigdo like debian
[02:10] <holycow> Arnia, if this actually is a hack i would say its quite sloppy, someone who really would want to get in would cover this up
[02:10] <Arnia> holycow: Yes... but it still worries me
[02:10] <drspin> 194.135.4.8 --- "Still Logged in "
[02:10] <Arnia> Yep... and its on display :0 I believe?
[02:10] <drspin> yep
[02:10] <Arnia> Does Ubuntu use these IP addresses internally?
[02:11] <Ex-Cyber> okay
[02:11] <Ex-Cyber> this is weird
[02:11] <Arnia> (even though they're public?)
[02:11] <Ex-Cyber> Mozilla just stopped redrawing
[02:11] <Ironfrost>  Zombix: I get this error:      Failed to access the Ubuntu archive                                       
[02:11] <Ironfrost>                                                                             
[02:11] <Ironfrost>   While trying to access the Ubuntu archive using the information you       
[02:11] <Ironfrost>   provided, the Ubuntu package management tool, apt, returned the           
[02:11] <Ironfrost>   following error. The questions will be asked again.                       
[02:11] <Ironfrost>                                                                             
[02:11] <Ironfrost>   E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily  
[02:11] <Ironfrost>   unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory               
[02:11] <Ironfrost>   (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:11] <Ex-Cyber> but when I go to close it, it still pops up the confirm window
[02:11] <Ironfrost> I'm very much a newbie (this is the first time I've installed Linux)
[02:11] <Ex-Cyber> and doesn't draw anything in it
[02:11] <andzto2905> Hi
[02:11] <drspin> Ironfrost: use sudo or kill the process that's using it
[02:12] <WMCoolmon> Ironfrost: make sure you aren't running synaptic at the same time you're using the console apt-get
[02:12] <jldugger> Ironfrost, are you using admin privledges?
[02:12] <Ironfrost> ah, I had synaptic open
[02:12] <Ironfrost> sorry
[02:12] <benplaut> why isn't Nvu in the repositories?
[02:12] <Loro> h
[02:13] <Ironfrost> fixed
[02:13] <Xgates> I think we need the Hog with attitude next as the SnootyHog
[02:13] <Arnia> holycow: its very weird
[02:13] <Xgates> LOL
[02:13] <Ironfrost> thanks a lot all of you!
[02:13] <Arnia> Why are we visible?
[02:13] <benplaut> it really should be... it is gaining popularity fast...
[02:13] <MMond> !ping
[02:13] <holycow> Arnia, i'm googling nothing even similar to this
[02:13] <saik0> lol @ some guy describing Ubuntu as having 'A single united goal of inter-project and inter-distribution collaboration and Total World Domination'
[02:13] <jldugger> holycow, what's wierder, i have 146.135.4.8 logged into :0 earlier. maybe its the vnc server or just an internal IP used before i get a dhcp lease
[02:14] <Xgates> holycow, and Arnia what about --> http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/
[02:14] <MMond> At installation of apache2.. I did something so mysql isn't working . . . what can I do now, I installed apache2 through "apt-get" (along everything else.. like php4, library packages, etc.) . . . now I can't recompile it or something? (keep in mind.. I'm a nub, and most of my things I say don't work/make sense"  <-- yeah. so any hints? at all? please? :z
[02:14] <Xgates> Bluefish
[02:14] <theandrewski> anyone using compositing?
[02:14] <holycow> jldugger, i'm suspecting something like that ... i don't see how anyone can possibly connect internally to my machine
[02:15] <holycow> the only way would be like a reverse ssh, where something from my machine ssh's out over port 80, then reverses the ssh to remote in
[02:15] <holycow> there is no other way
[02:15] <saik0> theandrewski, I tried for awhile but it had way too many bugs to for day to day use. For example I couldnt watch videos in fullscreen
[02:15] <Arnia> holycow: And that's impossible on a single user laptop :0
[02:15] <xMaximex> i want fixedsys fonts !!!! lol
[02:15] <Arnia> :p
[02:15] <theandrewski> should i enable damage and render options?
[02:16] <_ominae> ubuntu is one disk only to install? do you get the rest of the packages via apt?
[02:16] <Xgates> LOL I keep thinking ppl Arnia are saying like ---> holycow that's impossible on a single user laptop :0
[02:16] <jldugger> ominae, yes.
[02:16] <theandrewski> _ominae: yeah, across the internet.
[02:16] <Xgates> LMAO
[02:16] <holycow> Xgates, heh
[02:16] <Xgates> holycow: we cant use your nick as THE expression
[02:17] <Xgates> LOL
[02:17] <saik0> _ominae, what do you mean by 'the rest of the packages'?
[02:17] <] BreliC[> this may be a silly question (new to gnome), but can I get Nautilus to display a navigation pane on the left (similar to Konqueror)?
[02:17] <darkaudit> well now...
[02:17] <jldugger> ] BreliC[, see that panel that says information?
[02:17] <jldugger> click on the arrow
[02:18] <jldugger> and choose tree
[02:18] <holycow> Arnia, the only thing i can think of is to stick some layer 2 type firewall between machine and intraweb, and watch the traffic
[02:18] <] BreliC[> jldugger, hmm, ok, let me try
[02:18] <DooD> guys any idea why my jedit doesn't work after i installed kubuntu?
[02:18] <Arnia> holycow: Yeah... but I don't have a box to do that
[02:18] <darkaudit> I disconnected from the network and got the same ip address
[02:18] <saik0> ] BreliC[, are you using Nautilus in spatial or browser mode?
[02:18] <Xgates> holycow: crap I removed a few of the acpi and apmd apps now when I stick a cd it doesnt automount, hehe I didnt think they would kill that
[02:19] <Xgates> hmm
[02:19] <Arnia> darkaudit: Interesting... I wonder what is generating it
[02:19] <darkaudit> just as I thought... it's an internal ip address that has nothing to do with the Russian location
[02:19] <Arnia> Isn't that bad practice... to use a public IP as an internal IP?
[02:19] <holycow> darkaudit, how can it be internal?
[02:19] <blizah> how do i get to the cdrom in a terminal?
[02:19] <Xgates> holycow: I mean what the heck does scpi and apmd have to do with automounting a cd
[02:19] <holycow> its not on the whatever list of internal ips?
[02:19] <Xgates> hmm
[02:20] <Xgates> holycow: scpi/acpi .....
[02:20] <holycow> Xgates, that i donno :)
[02:20] <jldugger> holycow, if you care, why not sic one of the Ubuntu dev's on it by filing a bug report?
[02:20] <pajama> hi, how can I configure a Netgear WG511 WiFi card?
[02:20] <] BreliC[> saik0, not sure.  just from the command line typing Nautilus
[02:20] <darkaudit> holycow: I'm not sure, but my DSL modem was tuened off, and last -i reported the same address as before when I logged into a session
[02:20] <darkaudit> er turned
[02:20] <] BreliC[> jldugger, can't find that panel you're talking about
[02:20] <per02> blizah: have you tried /media/cdrom ?
[02:20] <blizah> per02 ill go try
[02:20] <holycow> jldugger, i plan to, but getting more info on the situation is just as important
[02:21] <saik0> ] BreliC[, well is every directory openeing in a new window, or are they all in 1 window with an adress bar?
[02:21] <blizah> k that worked tnx per02
[02:21] <per02> blizah: np
[02:21] <holycow> darkaudit, last -i just shows you the ip address of the last individual logged into your machine .... you are going to see the entries no matter what
[02:21] <] BreliC[> saik0, no address bar.  it opens a new window but closes the previous one
[02:21] <jldugger> ] BreliC[, nautiluis the gnome gui file browser, right? there should be an option in the view menu that says "location bar". and for the record, im working in browser mode
[02:22] <Arnia> darkaudit: Did you get an entry for the time you were offline in the log from that IP?
[02:22] <srbaker> yo
[02:22] <Arnia> darkaudit: I mean using the timestamps on the right
[02:22] <srbaker> when i start firefox, it won't use the default profile because it says it's in use (my computer just locked down hard)
[02:22] <darkaudit> holycow: I know... and the ip address reported for my session, with no net connection, was the same one as before. The time stamps match
[02:22] <srbaker> nevermind
[02:23] <holycow> Arnia, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/4/2004/09/2/226283 ... first link to a similar issue
[02:23] <holycow> darkaudit, *hmmmm*
[02:23] <WMCoolmon> since crimsun seems to have fallen silent, does anyone know how to globally resample sounds under alsa?
[02:23] <saik0> ] BreliC[, if you're running it from the cooman line try nautilus --no-desktop --browser
[02:24] <] BreliC[> saik0, ahh yes. much better :)
[02:24] <Xgates> brb
[02:24] <holycow> Arnia, darkaudit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98659  <-- hmmm
[02:24] <looter> i give sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf but the file doesnt open
[02:24] <looter> any ideas?
[02:24] <kh-rit> anyone know any repositories for 64-bit?
[02:25] <monteiro> looter : sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:25] <] BreliC[> jldugger and saik0, thanks for the help.  i can't believe i've been using computers for about 15 years now and couldn't figure that out!  sheesh
[02:25] <pajama> hi, how can I configure a Netgear WG511 WiFi card???
[02:25] <Arnia> holycow: Interesting
[02:25] <xmux> You guys honestly didn't know that was a bug?  I thought you were fucking around and pretending that you got hacked
[02:25] <duncanm> i'm running the hoary release, but i think smb on gnome-vfs is broken
[02:25] <saik0> ] BreliC[, ya no problem
[02:26] <jldugger> ] BreliC[, its not your fault. gnome is just retarded. the only real way to switch nautilius into browser mode is to dig up some obscure hidden url
[02:26] <andrewski> xmux: what are you talking about?
[02:26] <] BreliC[> jldugger, yeah, i see that!
[02:26] <looter> it says "looter is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[02:26] <looter> "
[02:26] <daniels> jldugger: ease up on the venom, please
[02:26] <looter> any ideas?
[02:26] <xmux> andrewski: 'last -i'
[02:27] <xmux> Arnia and holycow have been ranting about it for the last half hour
[02:27] <jldugger> well i was gonna leave it at that, but if everyone wants to be all hurray for everybody about it, I've got more ranting in me about applications:///
[02:27] <Arnia> jldugger: You mean System > Preferences > File management?
[02:27] <neil> hi
[02:28] <benplaut> what is, IYO, the best WYSIWYG html editor?
[02:28] <neil> i need some help if anyone can
[02:28] <holycow> xmux, lol, yes of course, every morning i grab a starbucks and memorize the current bug list
[02:28] <holycow> *sigh*
[02:28] <synd> anyone use TunesBrowser??
[02:28] <Arnia> jldugger: Time based releases... needed to get rid of vfolders
[02:28] <neil> i have a prob with dvdrecord
[02:28] <neil> i get a error saying
[02:28] <neil> dvdrecord: Data will not fit on any disk.
[02:28] <neil> dvdrecord: Cannot write CD's >= 100 minutes.
[02:28] <Arnia> xmux: Until I *know* its a bug its only prudent to be cautious and try and find out who else is getting the same behaviour
[02:28] <DooD> guys anyone know how to make eclipse work in ubuntu?
[02:29] <jldugger> Arnia, well, something new in the upgrade!
[02:29] <dopp0> DooD: whats the problem?
[02:29] <drspin> Arnia: holycow: did you guys read that article? seems to be the bug that we speak of...
[02:29] <neil> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[02:29] <neil> Version        : 0
[02:29] <neil> Response Format: 2
[02:29] <neil> Capabilities   :
[02:29] <neil> Vendor_info    : 'LITE-ON '
[02:29] <neil> Identifikation : 'DVDRW LDW-851S  '
[02:29] <neil> Revision       : 'GS08'
[02:29] <dopp0> I run it here without problems
[02:29] <xmux> I thought you guys were trying to freak other people out :-)
[02:29] <DooD> it can't run the application
[02:29] <neil> Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM.
[02:29] <neil> resid: 104
[02:29] <virtuald> anyone else experience crashes when running screensavers with firegl drivers or is it a hardware problem?
[02:29] <Xgates> crap kernel-panic again
[02:29] <neil> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
[02:29] <neil> Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
[02:29] <neil> Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
[02:29] <holycow> drspin, i found the fucking article, what do you think?
[02:29] <DooD> dopp0 creates a log
[02:29] <neil> any ideas any one
[02:29] <dopp0> DooD: Do you have java installed correctly on your machine?
[02:29] <drspin> holycow: seems like there's a bug that needs to be fixed...
[02:29] <DooD> dopp0 i have netbeans working
[02:29] <Xgates> ok if I use a initrd.img should I have it compiled in the kernel and ramdisk as well?
[02:29] <neil> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
[02:30] <Xgates> this is all  can think now
[02:30] <Xgates> LinuxJones: you in still?
[02:30] <St0n3-C0l> do anybody uses gdesklets ?
[02:30] <Arnia> jldugger: That's been in Gnome since 2.8
[02:30] <neil> this is a problem i beleve this should be dvd not cd-r
[02:30] <neil> hello
[02:30] <drspin> even after "lockdown" I still get the same login ip's...
[02:30] <jldugger> as far as i know, with initrd, you should be able to leave filesystems as modules
[02:30] <holycow> drspin, as Arnia said, google and poke until we find a reasonable explanation to base further actions upon
[02:31] <Xgates> jldugger: well I have ext2 & ext3 compiled in <*>
[02:31] <holycow> drspin, oh your are right, it is a bug
[02:31] <St0n3-C0l> do anybody uses gdesklets ? if yes then which version 0.32, 0.33 or 0.34 ?
[02:32] <holycow> Arnia, i have a testcase for you
[02:32] <holycow> install xnest, and login to a second account with that
[02:32] <holycow> then do last -i
[02:32] <holycow> Arnia, you were right looks like x grabs that weird ip, then drops it, strange
[02:32] <holycow> at least its reproducable
[02:32] <neil> Hi can anyone c my writing and can anyone help me
[02:33] <moeru> anyone know why I'd be getting HUGE lag bursts with my net connection?
[02:33] <YonkeHyena> I would like to know if I can also run Windows 9x programs on Ubuntu.
[02:33] <holycow> YonkeHyena, two ways:
[02:33] <tjs> Ive noticed my ubuntu update applet has stopped finding new updates (Ive been running hoary for months) and after some investigation it seems that hoary it out, WTG canonical :) so where do I point my apt for bleeding edge ubuntu now?
[02:33] <holycow> a) wine for supported programs
[02:34] <holycow> b) buy vmware and install win98 on linux and run that way
[02:34] <toresbe> okies, rebooting for HOARY INSTALL!
[02:34] <Reblended> is Xandros a good step before ubuntu?
[02:34] <toresbe> Reblended: no
[02:34] <Reblended> k, toresbe
[02:34] <toresbe> Reblended: Ubuntu is a very good first distro
[02:34] <Reblended> ty
[02:34] <holycow> oh and c) there is another dealy like vmware, i forget what its called, but it also basically runs win98 on top of which you run  your proggies ... this is pay for just like vmware
[02:34] <toresbe> Reblended: it worked very nicely for both my grandmothers :)
[02:34] <St0n3-C0l> tjs: For a while..stick with your current apt sources
[02:34] <Reblended> LOL!
[02:34] <Reblended> I wanna get my grandma on ubuntu
[02:34] <Reblended> gonna try it on my tired 850 first
[02:35] <tjs> St0n3-C0l, there have been no updates for days?
[02:35] <toresbe> Reblended: and my mother's mother, age 73, first time she touched a computer
[02:35] <toresbe> Reblended: no Windows habits, she's really comfortable with it
[02:35] <St0n3-C0l> tjs: nope just updated and found nothing
[02:35] <Reblended> she's a windows vergin then? toresbe?
[02:35] <toresbe> Reblended: yep
[02:35] <holycow> lol
[02:35] <Reblended> good for her
[02:35] <toresbe> Reblended: it's literally her first computer
[02:35] <YonkeHyena> Holycow: Wine, eh? That's a Windows Emulator or something?
[02:35] <holycow> Arnia, *whew* at least it looks benign :)
[02:35] <toresbe> It's a bit on the slow side
[02:35] <tjs> St0n3-C0l, I figured that meant there was a new repo for unstable?
[02:35] <holycow> YonkeHyena, right
[02:35] <Reblended> Wine isn't an emulator = WINE
[02:35] <nez7165> hi
[02:35] <toresbe> YonkeHyena: it stands for Windows Is Not an Emulator :)
[02:36] <toresbe> Wine is not...*
[02:36] <holycow> or what Reblended said
[02:36] <holycow> lol
[02:36] <Reblended> =] 
[02:36] <St0n3-C0l> tjs: don't know I am in http://archive.ubuntu.com
[02:36] <Arnia> holycow: That's good :)
[02:36] <nez7165> can anyone help with a problem im having with a dvd writer
[02:36] <toresbe> YonkeHyena: it's a bit of a nitpick, though
[02:36] <toresbe> YonkeHyena: It's a ReImplementation (TM) of the Windows API
[02:36] <tjs> ah
[02:36] <tjs> ok
[02:36] <holycow> now to figure out why this fucking gateway wont install ubuntu :)
[02:36] <toresbe> YonkeHyena: it's gotten amazingly far
[02:36] <holycow> ehe
[02:36] <Xgates> anyone compiled their kernel, for the life of me I have all the correct settings for my hardware but this thing keeps doing a panic on install, I need someone to look at this .config I did and see if anyone can see the problem
[02:37] <nez7165> HELLO
[02:37] <toresbe> Xgates: why did you compile your own?
[02:37] <toresbe> nez7165: patience
[02:37] <YonkeHyena> Okay. And finally, can I actually undo the Ubunto installation and get back to Windows if it ain't....well, to my licking? Or do I have to reinstall my Windows? =\
[02:37] <toresbe> nez7165: don't ask to ask, ask the question
[02:37] <YonkeHyena> liking*
[02:37] <saik0> has anyone here succesfully gotten mozplugger to swallow OpenOffice.org windows in GNOME?
[02:37] <Xgates> toresbe: because I'm a Slacker and I have always ROLLED my own :-)
[02:37] <Xgates> lol
[02:37] <toresbe> nez7165: and what is your problem?
[02:37] <nez7165> dvdrecord
[02:37] <holycow> YonkeHyena, depends how you install, but generally you need to reinstall windows
[02:37] <nez7165> when i use it
[02:37] <Reblended> lol the Xan chat has only 10... here is 483!
[02:37] <YonkeHyena> Ooh.
[02:37] <virtuald> anyone here with a radeon card?
[02:37] <Ironfrost> YonkeHyena - did you try out the LiveCD already?
[02:38] <nez7165> dvdrecord -dao speed=4 dev=/dev/hdc man.img
[02:38] <Ironfrost> you can run it without having to install anything to your hard drive
[02:38] <YonkeHyena> LiveCD?
[02:38] <nez7165> dvdrecord: Data will not fit on any disk.
[02:38] <nez7165> dvdrecord: Cannot write CD's >= 100 minutes.
[02:38] <holycow> Reblended, its hard to get excited about something that you haveto pay for and cannot freely download and hack away at
[02:38] <nez7165> i get this error
[02:38] <toresbe> nez7165: that's not the dev format
[02:38] <Ironfrost> Yonke - LiveCD = ubuntu running directly from the CD
[02:38] <Reblended> holycow, agreed
[02:38] <toresbe> nez7165: do -scanbus
[02:38] <YonkeHyena> Wow.
[02:38] <Ironfrost> you can find it on the download page
[02:38] <nez7165> scsidev: '/dev/hdc'
[02:38] <nez7165> devname: '/dev/hdc'
[02:38] <nez7165> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[02:38] <nez7165> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[02:38] <nez7165> Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
[02:38] <nez7165> Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
[02:38] <toresbe> nez7165: it's in a SCSI "bus,device,LUN" format
[02:39] <nez7165> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[02:39] <Reblended> holycow, the only hackers of my soon-to-be-former os (xp) are adaware,etc
[02:39] <nez7165> Version        : 0
[02:39] <nez7165> Response Format: 2
[02:39] <nez7165> Capabilities   :
[02:39] <nez7165> Vendor_info    : 'LITE-ON '
[02:39] <nez7165> Identifikation : 'DVDRW LDW-851S  '
[02:39] <nez7165> Revision       : 'GS08'
[02:39] <nez7165> Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM.
[02:39] <nez7165> resid: 104
[02:39] <toresbe> nez7165: please don't flood the channel...
[02:39] <nez7165> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
[02:39] <nez7165> Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
[02:39] <holycow> Reblended, lol, i had the unfortunate experience last week of installing xp for some poor schmuck
[02:39] <nez7165> Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
[02:39] <nez7165> thats the info about it
[02:39] <toresbe> nez7165: but I didn't know it worked that way.
[02:39] <Reblended> nez, paste into your text editor first
[02:39] <nez7165> not sure i undersatnd i have only just started using linux recently
[02:39] <nez7165> sorry
[02:39] <holycow> Reblended, i cannot believe they actually call that an 'enterprise' product
[02:39] <Reblended> holycow, you prostitute!
[02:39] <toresbe> nez7165: no problem :)
[02:39] <Reblended> =p
[02:39] <toresbe> nez7165: what's the error?
[02:39] <Xgates> all I can think is that Ubuntu is setup that is needs [ ]  Power Management support  compiled in
[02:40] <Xgates> that is./it ....
[02:40] <nez7165> basicly think it thinks my dvd writer is a cd-r
[02:40] <Reblended> holycow, how dare you prostitute yourself for windows
[02:40] <Reblended> =p
[02:40] <JaZy84> hey guys when i try to modprobe snd-via686 i get not found
[02:40] <JaZy84> i have this card VIA686 Codec Sound Driver
[02:40] <nez7165> and it says it cant write cd >= 100mins
[02:40] <JaZy84> according to the manfcature website
[02:40] <holycow> Xgates, just out of curiosity, you are compiling your own kernel why again?
[02:40] <St0n3-C0l> nez7165: Which software u using ?
[02:40] <St0n3-C0l> k3b or gnomebaker ?
[02:40] <moeru> anyone know why I'd be getting HUGE lag bursts with my net connection?
[02:40] <nez7165> dvdrecord from command line
[02:40] <holycow> Reblended, lol, as soon as i get a bit more experience with ubuntu i think i will be installing that exclusively
[02:40] <Xgates> holycow: because I want it compiled my way with only the options I need
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> Try gnomebaker
[02:41] <holycow> Xgates, ah! :) oh right, mr. slackware :)
[02:41] <Reblended> holycow, good for you. =]  Ok... I'm gonna go test this liveCD, wish me luck
[02:41] <Xgates> YEs of course and SO I can learn how this distro is working
[02:41] <Xgates> I'm a hands on guy
[02:41] <Xgates> hehe
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> Reblended: Best Of Luck :P
[02:41] <Reblended> ty!
[02:41] <Xgates> but this is getting WAY out of hand here
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> going on war :P
[02:41] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[02:42] <holycow> Xgates, *nod* i have only done it once on debian, its usually quite painless except for the part you are stuck with, picking the right options
[02:42] <St0n3-C0l> don't forget to take bazooka
[02:42] <Xgates> no one in here has compiled their kernel?
[02:42] <Reblended> Xgates, with updating, you keep your settings, yes?
[02:42] <St0n3-C0l> Xgates: I did when I was using Slackware
[02:42] <Xgates> Reblended, huh?
[02:42] <holycow> well i think i compiled a couple of times but anywhoo ...
[02:42] <YonkeHyena> I hope that I can still run FINAL FANTASY XI and World of Warcraft from Linux. Can I?
[02:42] <Reblended> Xgates, when everyone updates ubuntu, the settings are saved?
[02:42] <saik0> Xgates, I used to run gentoo
[02:43] <nez7165> with gnomebaker how do i burn a img of a dvd that i mad with dvd backup
[02:43] <toresbe> nez7165: hmmm
[02:43] <nez7165> i have a img file
[02:43] <toresbe> nez7165: it doesn't
[02:43] <Xgates> I Just need someone to look at this .config to tell me if they see what it is Ubuntu needs, because as far as hardware goes on this box its correct
[02:43] <nez7165> oh
[02:43] <Reblended> Xgates, like, I don't have to re-do tweaks, etc
[02:43] <holycow> okay where is the ubuntu bug tracker? i'm not finding it off of ubuntu.com?
[02:43] <toresbe> nez7165: actually, it does!
[02:43] <Reblended> Xgates, or do I have to patch all over again?
[02:43] <toresbe> nez7165: it uses the CDR driver!
[02:43] <toresbe> nez7165: that's odd
[02:43] <crimsun> blahrus: pong
[02:43] <Xgates> Reblended, hard to say depending on what type of kernel support they build into the distro next
[02:43] <toresbe> nez7165: I have to go now, I'll be back later to help you, ok?
[02:43] <toresbe> nez7165: sorry
[02:44] <Reblended> Xgates, ic, yow
[02:44] <St0n3-C0l> saik0: gentoo is headache when it comes to installation
[02:44] <Xgates> Reblended, typically you shouldnt have to mess with it on a update
[02:44] <duncanm> the Human theme is getting more and more red in each release
[02:44] <nez7165> its ok i have been trying 2 sort it for a week or so its driving me mad now
[02:44] <St0n3-C0l> toresbe: till then he'll sort out the problem :P
[02:44] <nez7165> lol ok
[02:44] <nez7165> thanks tho
[02:44] <toresbe> St0n3-C0l: let's hope so
[02:44] <holycow> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580695  <-- rofl
[02:44] <Reblended> Xgates, like, I wouldn't have to reset my themes, etc
[02:44] <toresbe> *poof*
[02:44] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[02:44] <nez7165> anyone else help
[02:44] <Xgates> Reblended, no themes have nothing to do with kernel support
[02:44] <St0n3-C0l> i got CD - writer
[02:44] <Reblended> Xgates, ok
[02:45] <St0n3-C0l> try k3b if it solves the problem
[02:45] <St0n3-C0l> its more functional than gnomebaker
[02:45] <Xgates> Reblended, the kernel is more for hardware types of support
[02:45] <Reblended> Xga, got it
[02:45] <HermanDE> Anybody have a suggestion for turning off IPV6?
[02:45] <saik0> St0n3-C0l, one of the many reasons I've been using ubuntu
[02:45] <HermanDE> within the 'Hog?
[02:45] <St0n3-C0l> saik0 ehehe
[02:46] <blizah> anyone who upgraded from warty to hoary mind reading off there xhat cholors...i did a fresh install over warty from a cd and the new xchat colors are horrible for me..white background etc...
[02:46] <TobyK> I get an odd error when I try to 'sudo -s'. It says "sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0". Any ideas?
[02:46] <saik0> duncanm, I noticed that too, I also liked it better when it was flat, I'll have none of this vertical gradient nonsense!
[02:46] <St0n3-C0l> holycow: whats that :P
[02:46] <St0n3-C0l> thats for children or women
[02:47] <holycow> its one of the ubuntu branded items on that site, i just find it hillarious that a distro would have the gall to brand a 'thong'
[02:47] <holycow> lol
[02:47] <synd> how do i view what my IDE drives are labeled? ie hda..hdc..etc etc
[02:47] <synd> ?
[02:47] <holycow> here i am thinking 'wouldn't it beneat if we had ubuntu mugs, and they went ahead and branded a thong'
[02:47] <holycow> hehe :)
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> loool
[02:48] <synd> anyone?
[02:48] <HermanDE> synd ...  do a simple dmesg | less and search for the drives....
[02:48] <YonkeHyena> holycow, could I run Windows games like World of Warcraft and FFXI on Linux?
[02:48] <blizah> anyone read me off their color scheme?..if ya use a blackbackground?
[02:48] <HermanDE> synd ...  Or check /proc/partitions.
[02:48] <fsapo> hi :) anyone knows if there is an application like fraps that runs on linux? thanx
[02:48] <blizah> yonkehyena with cedega
[02:48] <duncanm> anyone using nautilus to do samba mounts?
[02:48] <saik0> holycow, there are ubuntu mugs =) also I want a list of all people who have bought one of the ubunthongs
[02:48] <holycow> YonkeHyena, for that you need to check out cedega
[02:48] <fsapo> i want to record a ut2k4 movie ;)
[02:49] <saik0> YonkeHyena, you can look into Cedega, http://transgaming.com
[02:49] <TobyK> Does anyone have any advice for me? ( <TobyK> I get an odd error when I try to 'sudo -s'. It says "sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0". Any ideas? )
[02:49] <holycow> cedega will have a list of officially supported games through their emu or not emu or whatever
[02:49] <Reblended> how do I capture the video buffer?
[02:49] <holycow> saik0, hahahaha
[02:49] <holycow> saik0, *nod* names, phone numbers and pictures
[02:49] <propagandhi> synd: u can also do fdisk -l
[02:49] <neighborlee> does anyone else here have Neverwinter nights game and not able to see games listed in gamespy Multiplayer listing ??
[02:49] <propagandhi> TobyK can u log in as root at all
[02:50] <TobyK> No.
[02:50] <saik0> holycow, and credit card numbers......I'm so broke
[02:50] <HermanDE> TobyK...Check who ownes the file ...   ls -l /etc/sudoers
[02:50] <TobyK> Root account is disabled.
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> visudo ?
[02:50] <TobyK> toby, root.
[02:50] <St0n3-C0l> TobyK: go in recovery mode and fix the problem
[02:51] <synd> propagandhi: thanks! now how do i mount a drive
[02:51] <TobyK> Recovery mode?
[02:51] <synd> propagandhi:
[02:51] <synd> : )
[02:51] <St0n3-C0l> synd: mount /dev/hdx /mnt/win*
[02:51] <HermanDE> TobyK...  Try and just look at the uid numbers by trying ls -ln /etc/sudoers
[02:51] <Reblended> lol synd
[02:51] <membreya> whats a good app for creating a mirror of your disk? ie I want to do a DVD backup of my current install
[02:51] <Reblended> dd
[02:52] <St0n3-C0l> TobyK: Yep on grub bootloader there are two options one "Ubuntu Linux, Kernel *" and other "ubuntu linux, kernel * recovery mode"
[02:52] <Reblended> dumb duplicator
[02:52] <St0n3-C0l> like this
[02:52] <TobyK> OK, Thanks, St0n3.
[02:52] <membreya> ta Reblended
[02:52] <Reblended> yw, membreya
[02:53] <propagandhi> synd - what type of filesystem is on the drive u wish to mount
[02:54] <tjs> anyone use acroread + firefox?
[02:54] <St0n3-C0l> I use firefox :P
[02:54] <tjs> Ive never been able to get acroread working, I get ERROR: Cannot find installation directory
[02:54] <ells> I hate to ask this, but how do I enable the dma in my dvd rom
[02:54] <ells> hdparm something
[02:55] <St0n3-C0l> tjs: acroread is available in hoary repos
[02:55] <tjs> Ive also installed acroread-plugin but it doesnt appear in the extensions list in firefox
[02:55] <holycow> tjs, try evince, its much nicer and uses native gnome widgets and print menu
[02:55] <HermanDE> Ok...  Second Try....  Anybody successfully remove IPV6 from Ubuntu...
[02:55] <blizzo> hi how do i install realplayer10? I downloaded the file, mv it to /opt did a chmod a+x and then ./Realplayer.bin everything looks good but realyplayer doesnt start!
[02:55] <holycow> and its very very fast, with a search function to boot
[02:55] <uphu> excuse me, some I've been having an issue starting.   xserver.  Some one earlier to me to to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  But when I do that it tell me the package xserver-xorg is not installed.  How can I install it off the disk?
[02:55] <ells> blizzo, I have the same issue
[02:56] <tjs> holycow, does it support PDF forms?
[02:56] <saik0> tjs, I just wrote a HOWTO on how to embed Evince in firefox if you want that
[02:56] <duncanm> is there an ubuntu theme for firefox?
[02:56] <blizzo> ells: hmmm ;)
[02:56] <tjs> saik0, woot, thanks :) url?
[02:56] <St0n3-C0l> blizzo: same eh
[02:56] <holycow> tjs, not sure, i refuse to use anything resembling a pdf 'form' as pdf is not meant for that imho, give it a try and let me know
[02:57] <saik0> tjs, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25685
[02:57] <uphu> excuse me!!
[02:57] <uphu> does no one know :(
[02:57] <membreya> Reblended: my root fs is on /dev/sda3, so for dd my correct syntax would be dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/dev/sda6 bs=8192
[02:57] <membreya> is that correct?
[02:57] <tjs> holycow, yeh I know ;) but Im writing this application for my employer that uses pdf forms and I have to test it somehow ;)
[02:57] <tjs> saik0, thanks :)
[02:57] <Reblended> help membreya out here guys...
[02:57] <ells> can anyone tell me how to enable the dma in my dvd player
[02:57] <propagandhi> uphu, is the cd still one of your apt sources??
[02:58] <membreya> ells: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/(your dvd)
[02:58] <uphu> propagandhi, I do not know
[02:58] <blizzo> is it s.th like a generell hoary prob that realplayer doesnt work?
[02:58] <holycow> tjs, adobe does have acroreader 7.0 for linux available in an rpm format, not sure if it supports form
[02:58] <propagandhi> have u tried apt-get??
[02:58] <uphu> this is the first time I've tried booting ubuntu
[02:58] <uphu> yes
[02:58] <tomcat> Hey all, I've got a question. I've got a box here I'm using to transfer stuff from an old windoze ntfs drive. I have already gotten stuff off 2 drives, and this is my 3rd, and the other 2 I used the shell, did CP and all that. I'd love to use file browser instead, but it says I can't access the drives... any advice?
[02:58] <saik0> well since we're on the subject I'll ask again...has anyone sucessfully gotten mozplugger to swallow OpenOffice? It always opens it in a new window (OOo window not firefox window)
[02:58] <ells> thanks membreya, I had that saved somewhere, cant find it
[02:58] <holycow> last adobe pdf reader for windows didn't support forms either
[02:58] <tjs> trying this evince thing :)
[02:58] <Reblended> uphu what's the verdict, do you like it?
[02:58] <membreya> ells: edit your /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:59] <ells> membreya: thanks
[02:59] <St0n3-C0l> blizzo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23045&highlight=realplayer
[02:59] <blizah> how do i display hidden files and directories in ubuntu?
[02:59] <St0n3-C0l> this will help u for RealPlayer
[02:59] <Reblended> I'd open the PDF into photoshop and write over it
[02:59] <propagandhi> did u type apt-get xserver-xorg??
[02:59] <holycow> saik0, never tried that... just thought to at least get you some answers :)
[02:59] <uphu> #apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:59] <uphu> E: COuldn't find package xserver-xorg
[03:00] <Arnia> blizah: In the File Management options in the System > Preferences menu
[03:00] <synd> what player do you guys recommend for mp3 playback
[03:00] <propagandhi> what ubutnu version is it
[03:00] <uphu> xmms
[03:00] <propagandhi> hoary or warty
[03:00] <synd> i know of xmms
[03:00] <uphu> warty
[03:00] <goldfish> mp3blaster!
[03:00] <synd> hoary
[03:00] <membreya> synd: amarok ;) or xmms
[03:00] <dambiguity> speaking of mp3's anyone got any tips on converting an mp3 back into a wav?
[03:01] <tomcat> I think I should be asking how to access an ntfs drive that I've mounted through the shell in gnome file browser?
[03:01] <uphu> I tried hoary before, but then the screen would be all gibber jabbered and random multi colored
[03:01] <Reblended> Can I install UBUNTU on an external firewire drive?
[03:01] <synd> uphu: its stable now : P
[03:01] <propagandhi> that would have been due to the video setting
[03:01] <saik0> I use rythmbox, winamp got me addicted to having a library
[03:01] <uphu> dambiguity, use audacity
[03:01] <synd> Reblended: im pretty certain
[03:01] <blizzo> St0n3-C0l: so you need to disable ESD? Args thats sucks ;)
[03:01] <propagandhi> u should go back to hoary, and then configure the Xserver
[03:01] <holycow> tomcat, well you mounted it, where did you mount it to? just open up the file folder you mounted the ntfs to in nautilus?
[03:01] <blizzo> St0n3-C0l: but thanks btw!
[03:01] <Reblended> synd: whoa!  Ok, I have files on it, does that mean I have to backup to DVD, else the install will wipe them?
[03:02] <uphu> but when I do hoary I can't even type in the promt
[03:02] <uphu> it's all blurred and crap
[03:02] <propagandhi> did u do CTRL+ALT+F6 and get a console
[03:02] <synd> UGH i wish apple would port iTunes to linux. i mean...they ported it to windows for christ sake. linux should be cake
[03:02] <saik0> synd, nobody has mentioned muine, you could look into that too and beep-media-player if you liked winamp (way better than XMMS IMO)
[03:02] <uphu> I know
[03:03] <uphu> I do the ctrl -alt (not a linux newb :) ) but the promt is all blurred too!
[03:03] <synd> Reblended: you could just partition it
[03:03] <holycow> synd, they haven't even ported quicktime
[03:03] <synd> holycow: i know, its sad : (
[03:03] <Reblended> synd: then can linux read the windows partition too?
[03:03] <Reblended> < noob
[03:03] <saik0> synd, why do you want iTunes ported, rythmbox works fine
[03:03] <blizah> arnia ive displayed hidden but .xhat2 still doesnt show up in my home directory
[03:03] <holycow> synd, they are just leeches imho, if it wasn't for the amazing work of the bsd folks they would be dead
[03:03] <synd> Reblended: i would imagine so
[03:03] <Reblended> ty synd
[03:03] <tomcat> Holycow: I can see it when I'm su in the shell, but not when I'm logged in as a user in gnome. I should mention that the test box I'm using is my gentoo installed box (what a nightmare, just haven't installed ubuntu over it yet )
[03:03] <holycow> synd, they gave some marginal crap back to khtml guys and a few other things, not much more
[03:03] <synd> Reblended: but make sure to backup just in case
[03:03] <echo> hey guys :) ubuntu rocks
[03:04] <propagandhi> what is the architecture, and what video card
[03:04] <uphu> should I really go back to hoary?  WHo says that will...
[03:04] <synd> holycow: i agree with you about the bsd
[03:04] <uphu> AMD 64 running 32 bit with an nvidia  geforce
[03:04] <Reblended> synd I'm thinking of just buying a new laptop harddrive =D then who cares? I can swap it out if needed
[03:04] <synd> true, then you ought to do that!
[03:04] <Fackamato> ,
[03:04] <propagandhi> well, theres no guarantees either way, but hoary has the later hardware support etc
[03:05] <uphu> hoary did not work
[03:05] <wjesusaxl> hey guys... I can't compile my kernel :(
[03:05] <propagandhi> also, have u got FTP apt-sources as well
[03:05] <wjesusaxl> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `drivers/net/tg3.c', needed by `driv ers/net/tg3.o'.  Stop.
[03:05] <wjesusaxl> make[1] : *** [drivers/net]  Error 2
[03:05] <wjesusaxl> make: *** [drivers]  Error 2
[03:05] <uphu> one sec, I'll show you a pic of it
[03:05] <wjesusaxl> have you seen something like that?
[03:05] <holycow> tomcat, well what i do is plug hd in, do fdisk -L to find the partitions and types, change fstab entry, create /mnt/folder, then mount /mnt/folder, then just go in with nautilus ... what are you doing?
[03:05] <synd> Reblended: but i know for a fact that 99% of USB externals do not support booting
[03:05] <echo> wow, totem is really nice, I don't think I need mplayer
[03:05] <synd> Reblended: so make sure its a firewire
[03:05] <Reblended> synd this is a firewire/usb2
[03:06] <ron> how can I install mplayer and mplayerplug-in in ubuntu hoary?
[03:06] <Reblended> synd one of those one touch
[03:06] <holycow> tomcat, although with gnome 2.10 i bought an external usb/firewire hd case, and now just plug the hd in and shows up automounted on the desktop and places menu
[03:06] <synd> Reblended: that should be fine
[03:06] <sono> hi again friends.  Anyone able to enable a USB MIDI keyboard?
[03:06] <synd> Reblended: just use the firewire cable : )
[03:06] <Reblended> synd really? hmm
[03:06] <holycow> echo, i haven't used mplayer in ages
[03:06] <tomcat> Holycow, I get a message that I dont have permission to access the directory where I've mounted it. I can su in the shell and see it though
[03:06] <Reblended> synd great! now I need a good online site for harddrives
[03:06] <HermanDE2> Let's try this again.....   I need to disable IPV6 from Hoary.  Any suggestios?
[03:07] <uphu> this only got half of my computer but this is what it looked like: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/-uphu/716dbf92.jpg
[03:07] <synd> Reblended: i strongly suggest lacie drives
[03:07] <echo> holycow, I guess I was under the impression that mplayer was the only thing that could play xvid, divx etc
[03:07] <Reblended> synd ty, googling
[03:07] <uphu> you get the idea....
[03:07] <ron> I have a lacie 80 gig driver
[03:07] <ron> drive
[03:07] <synd> they are oh so nice
[03:07] <holycow> tomcat, the do sudo chown user.user on that folder
[03:07] <propagandhi> yeah i can see what u mean
[03:07] <wjesusaxl> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `drivers/net/tg3.c', needed by `driv ers/net/tg3.o'.  Stop.
[03:07] <wjesusaxl> make[1] : *** [drivers/net]  Error 2
[03:07] <wjesusaxl> make: *** [drivers]  Error 2
[03:07] <holycow> then you should be able to get in
[03:08] <synd> theyre releasing a 2TB drive !!
[03:08] <blizzo> holycow: so you think totem is a good as mplayer and xine?
[03:08] <Reblended> synd I wonder if they have what I need... I know the HD I have now, but how would I know a good substitute for size, etc
[03:08] <synd> Reblended: what do you mean?
[03:08] <wjesusaxl> have you seen something like this while compiling the kernel?
[03:08] <JaZy84> can someone help me with xmms
[03:08] <wjesusaxl> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `drivers/net/tg3.c', needed by `driv ers/net/tg3.o'.  Stop.
[03:08] <wjesusaxl> make[1] : *** [drivers/net]  Error 2
[03:08] <wjesusaxl> make: *** [drivers]  Error 2
[03:08] <holycow> blizzo, totem is basically frontend for xine, mplayer is good i just found totem easier to use, wouldn't say better or worse
[03:08] <uphu> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/-uphu/716dbf92.jpg at least it's not gentoo :D
[03:08] <JaZy84> when i try to run an mp3 it will start xmms but when i click play it will freeze
[03:08] <Reblended> synd a laptop hd is a laptop hd? or are there different dimensions?
[03:08] <darkaudit> hmm... libmusicbrainz2 *and* libmusicbrainz4 are installed...
[03:08] <synd> Reblended: there 2.5 and 3.5
[03:09] <blizzo> holycow: oh realy frontend for xine? Great! ;9
[03:09] <synd> there's
[03:09] <JaZy84> i can force the application to shutdown, but then xmms will not load back up. any ideas?
[03:09] <synd> Reblended: 2.5 are laptop drives
[03:09] <uphu> ok, well I'll take your advie and try hoary
[03:09] <Reblended> synd Ok... I'll have to look mine up then... dunno if it's 2.5 or 3.5
[03:09] <propagandhi> so have u tried disabling the CD as a source, and using net based sources to get the X packages
[03:09] <tomcat> holycow: ah... I see... yeah, that's it. Linux newbie here... but strange how the more I learn, the more it all makes sense... should have made the switch a long time ago.
[03:09] <synd> Reblended: if you aint gonna be moving it around then theres no need for a 2.5
[03:09] <tomcat> su
[03:09] <synd> Reblended: they are generally more expensive
[03:09] <tomcat> oop, wrong keyboard
[03:10] <Reblended> synd moving it around? I'm wondering if a 3.5 will fit though
[03:10] <holycow> tomcat, after you are on linux for about a year, windows will seem like a fucking circus
[03:10] <Reblended> Inside now: IBM-DJSA-230
[03:10] <holycow> tomcat, nothing will make the least bit of sense when you try to admin a win box after awhile
[03:10] <son>  /
[03:10] <son> oops
[03:10] <holycow> you will think that the redmond folks are just making it up as they go along
[03:10] <synd> Reblended: what do you mean by fit?
[03:10] <blizzo> holycow: so mplayers essential pack will work for totem too?
[03:11] <Reblended> synd the physical dimensions =] 
[03:11] <echo> holycow, aren't they?
[03:11] <synd> Reblended: so you have an external case and youre looking for a bare harddrive?
[03:11] <echo> I got totem-xine
[03:11] <Reblended> synd I was talking about that originally, but I think I'll yank the one that's in the laptop
[03:11] <echo> and now my coaxial output on my SB-Live works :)
[03:11] <holycow> blizzo, no, you just need the win32 codecs package from marrilat or whatever ... look on the ubuntu website for a marrilat repository
[03:11] <JaZy84> laptop hdd's are normaly 3.5
[03:11] <drspin> is there a way to search for packages that haven't been used in a while??
[03:11] <echo> DD 5.1 for watching movies
[03:11] <JaZy84> no 2.5
[03:11] <JaZy84> i think
[03:11] <synd> JaZy84: 2.5
[03:11] <JaZy84> yeah.
[03:11] <JaZy84> sorry 2.3
[03:11] <JaZy84> 2.5*
[03:11] <crimsun> drspin: aptitude does that for you behind the scenes given you use it regularly :)
[03:11] <synd> echo: htpc?
[03:12] <saik0> echo, me too, w00t
[03:12] <echo> htpc = home theater PC
[03:12] <Reblended> synd LaCie looks like they don't carry laptop HD's?
[03:12] <drspin> crimsun - aptitude it is :)
[03:12] <JaZy84> anyone know why xmms would carash?
[03:12] <synd> Reblended: well i thought you wanted the whole external deal and not just a drive
[03:12] <Reblended> synd Oh! sry, I already have an external...
[03:12] <drspin> JaZy84: install libmikmod
[03:12] <synd> Reblended: check out www.pricewatch.com
[03:13] <Reblended> synd ty
[03:13] <HermanDE2> Let's try again... Anybody actually remove IPV6 fro Hoary?
[03:13] <JaZy84> drspin says invalid
[03:13] <blizzo> JaZy84: correct output plugin?
[03:13] <drspin> lol
[03:13] <propagandhi> Herman - whats the need?
[03:13] <JaZy84> invalid package
[03:13] <drspin> JaZy84: libmikmod2
[03:13] <JaZy84> i didn't mess with xmms's config
[03:13] <wjesusaxl> have you seen something like this...
[03:13] <wjesusaxl> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `drivers/net/tg3.c', needed by `driv ers/net/tg3.o'.  Stop.
[03:13] <wjesusaxl> make[1] : *** [drivers/net]  Error 2
[03:13] <wjesusaxl> make: *** [drivers]  Error 2
[03:13] <saik0> JaZy84 how about xmms-mp3
[03:14] <JaZy84> lemme try that
[03:14] <HermanDE2> propagandhi ... I need to remove IPV6 as a part of this sites policy....
[03:14] <drspin> I notice that since I've installed a firewall... my CPU actually gets to idle sometimes :)
[03:14] <JaZy84> xmms-mp3 isn't a package
[03:14] <drspin> JaZy84: libmikmod2
[03:14] <venkman> is there a way i can get this file: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2:
[03:15] <JaZy84> i installed it
[03:15] <JaZy84> drspin
[03:15] <dale_gribble> hey guys i have a quick question.  i had initially setup ubuntu on a spare hard drive, but then i installed xp and overwrote grub in the mbr.  what is the best way to re-access ubuntu without having to reinstall
[03:15] <tomcat> Holycow: ok, more general questions about what I'm trying to do here.  do I need to 'chown -r user /mnt/drive' to set the flag on all the directories? How do I tell what group this username is?
[03:15] <venkman> i don't see libstdc++-compat
[03:15] <JaZy84> i have to reboot the box so i can run xmms
[03:15] <synd> Reblended: hell you can get a 160GB firewire drive for 90$
[03:15] <propagandhi> okay, Herman - look here http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/009910.html
[03:15] <HermanDE2> propagandhi.  More to the point...  I am having troubles finding where IPV6 is getting loaded from....
[03:15] <Reblended> synd ouch, don't want to tell you what I did...
[03:15] <JaZy84> gnomp3 freezes also..
[03:15] <drspin> dale_gribble: make a boot-floppy -- but I'm not sure how
[03:16] <propagandhi> that article tells u
[03:16] <Reblended> synd I went out and bought a 200gig and dropped it in the airport... click of death
[03:16] <crimsun> JaZy84: you need to choose the esound output plugin
[03:16] <saik0> JaZy84 xmms-mad sorty, it was called xmms-mp3 in another distro
[03:16] <propagandhi> it in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[03:16] <synd> Reblended: so it got fucked up?
[03:16] <crimsun> drspin: he no longer needs to install libmikmod2. That was fixed in the last upload of libc6 for Hoary.
[03:16] <Reblended> synd that's not how i'd say it, but yes
[03:16] <JaZy84> crimsun how do i do that?
[03:16] <jdong> Can someone explain to me EXACTLY what hoary-updates is going to contain?
[03:16] <Reblended> synd KNow of any opensource data recovery people?
[03:17] <HermanDE2> propagandhi ...  Many thanks...  Geeze....
[03:17] <jdong> I understand "critical bug fixes"... but any examples?
[03:17] <Reblended> I need the whole manual I think, synd
[03:17] <synd> Reblended: i sure dont
[03:17] <synd> whatcha mean?
[03:17] <propagandhi> Herman: no worries
[03:17] <JaZy84> do i do that in alsamixer?
[03:17] <Reblended> that's a memory that will remain etched in my head, synd
[03:18] <blizzo> crismsun: yes thats strange isnt it ... the esound thing ... I had the same problem ;)
[03:18] <crimsun> JaZy84: options>preferences>plugins>output>esound
[03:18] <propagandhi> jdong - not just critical bug fixes, also enhancements (visual and performance) and other things like hardware support, security improvements and general bugs
[03:18] <propagandhi> being sorted out
[03:18] <jdong> ok, cool
[03:18] <JaZy84> crimsun options in what?
[03:18] <Reblended> biggest HD I've heard of for a laptop is 60? synd
[03:18] <drspin> crimsun: OH -- my bad :/ -- didn't mean to confuse you JaZy84
[03:18] <jdong> so can we expect Firefox 1.0.3?
[03:18] <tomcat> Holycow: ok, more general questions about what I'm trying to do here.  do I need to 'chown -r user /mnt/drive' to set the flag on all the directories? How do I tell what group this username is?
[03:18] <blizzo> JaZy84: xmms
[03:18] <propagandhi> well, u could, but u could just install it urself if ur over-eager
[03:18] <JaZy84> xmms will not start.
[03:19] <jdong> I was just wondering if I needed to get Backports ready for FF 1.0.3 ;)
[03:19] <synd> Reblended: ive seen 80s
[03:19] <JaZy84> lemme reboot and give it a try.
[03:19] <JaZy84> hold on
[03:19] <Reblended> $$ synd
[03:19] <saik0> JaZy84, I dont wanna start a flamewar over media players but have you tried beep-media-player
[03:19] <holycow> chown -R user.user /mnt/drive
[03:19] <propagandhi> besides, its only up to 1.02 isnt it
[03:19] <synd> Reblended: dont know
[03:19] <synd> Reblended: they make 100s too
[03:19] <Reblended> they've gotta be pricy, synd
[03:19] <JaZy84> no the only ones i used was xmms, and gnomp3 which both freeze
[03:19] <jdong> correct, but 1.0.3 is gonna be released within the next few days
[03:19] <Reblended> wow
[03:19] <synd> Reblended: oh im sure
[03:19] <jdong> with a Javascript security bug fix
[03:20] <holycow> tomcat sorry it should be chown -R user.group /mnt/drive
[03:20] <Reblended> synd yer right! http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_hdd.asp?CatId=1277
[03:20] <propagandhi> yeah, so just install it when its released
[03:20] <holycow> tomcat, normally you just set the user and group to the users group which is usually their login name for simplicity sake.   you are just copying stuff over once, its not a permanent configuration
[03:20] <saik0> JaZy84, beep-media-player is IMO what XMMS should be nowadays, XMMS is kind of depricated
[03:20] <jdong> I prefer Debianized versions of Firefox....
[03:20] <hile> and toshiba has 120GB drive, MK1231GAS
[03:21] <jdong> chrome registration integration, etc
[03:21] <JaZy84> nice i'll keep that in mind saik0
[03:21] <propagandhi> ok, well in that case, wait and it will arrive
[03:21] <paulproteus> deprecated, but yeah, saik0.
[03:21] <jdong> So do you think we'll see any Universe version bumps in -updates?
[03:21] <dazed|> cambles mmmmmm .... mmmmm ... goood ~
[03:21] <tomcat> Holycow: it's this #*&%*# gentoo install... how as root do I see what group a user is... can I use any group that user is a member of?
[03:21] <propagandhi> its most probable i suppose
[03:21] <saik0> paulproteus, yes, thats the one =)
[03:21] <jdong> ok, thanks for your time :)
[03:21] <jdong> back to moderating the forums
[03:21] <propagandhi> easy
[03:22] <tomcat> I keep getting 'invalid group'
[03:22] <holycow> tomcat, oh yoru in gentoo right now? try typing in users
[03:22] <blizzo> JaZy84: guess choosing the correct output plugin will help ... i mean I had the same prob
[03:22] <synd> Reblended: i sure am : ) why get a laptop drive though? why not a 3.5.. theyre faster (7200rpm) and cheaper
[03:22] <JaZy84> i gotta choose the output within whatever program i use?
[03:23] <Reblended> synd I'm not sure how I would interface it with my laptop?
[03:23] <tomcat> ok, I get 'tomcat tomcat tomcat' (tomcat being the username I'm logged in with)
[03:23] <Xgates> ok I give up Im installed --> Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on AMD K7. BUT I want to install nvidia-glx for nvidia drivers but that wants to reinstall the old kernel image, how can you work around this?
[03:23] <paulproteus> tomcat: grep {username} /etc/group
[03:23] <synd> Reblended: im completely lost
[03:23] <Reblended> synd I've heard of IDE to firewire cables... or maybe pcmcia...
[03:23] <Xgates> how can you install the K7 image and still use nvidia-glx without installing the old i386 image
[03:23] <Xgates> hmm
[03:23] <Xgates> this is crazy hehe
[03:23] <blizzo> JaZy84: I mean thats s.th like a feature ;)
[03:24] <synd> Reblended: i thoughtyou wanted a drive for you external case to boot from?
[03:24] <bigcx2> xgates why do you want to work around this
[03:24] <bigcx2> it's probably required
[03:24] <tomcat> holycow: I get nothing when I try that grep.
[03:24] <Reblended> synd Yes, that would be great! but over a firewire cable... not too fast?
[03:24] <_phate_> I just installed Ubuntu, but X server won't start. I have a Via Prosavage built onto my Mobo, and a Geforce2 Ultra connected to the AGP, how do I get Xorg to use the GF2?
[03:24] <saik0> Xgates, what 'restricted modules' are you using
[03:24] <drspin> who was having trouble with their USB todya?
[03:24] <drspin> *today?
[03:25] <Xgates> bigcx2: because I already have a kernel installed now why would someone need 2 just because the Nvidia drivers they built are for it, and not for other versions as well, my BAD I mean isn't there a nvidia driver for the other images?
[03:25] <holycow> tomcat, that was paulproteus' suggestion, your now out of my immediate skillset to debug :) *ummm*  not sure :-/
[03:25] <paulproteus> tomcat: Did you fill in the {username} thing I did?
[03:25] <paulproteus> e.g., grep root /etc/group ?
[03:25] <Reblended> synd I found some drives... http://www.drivesolutions.com/cgi-bin/shop/ug2store.cgi?command=listitems&kind=sol&pos=0&type=itemid&itemid=sol384
[03:26] <JaZy84> hey thanks man i got it working with the right output plugin
[03:26] <Reblended> synd I'm still not sure firewire is the best way to boot from an external... any other faster ways?
[03:26] <Xgates> saik0, ok I didnt install any so I need them for the k7 image?
[03:26] <bigcx2> Xgates: up above when you said kernel image, did you mean linux-image?
[03:26] <saik0> Xgates, I think you want this package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7
[03:26] <_phate_> I'm currently using bitchx to talk on IRC
[03:26] <Xgates> saik0, there wasnt any of them installed btw
[03:26] <blizzo> JazY84: ah great! ;)
[03:26] <tomcat> holycow: thaks for the help, much appreciated. I don't think gnome here will let me log in as root. Man, I had no idea how much under the hood friendlness ubuntu had going for it until now...
[03:27] <JaZy84> is there different skins that i can download?
[03:27] <_phate_> Anyone?
[03:27] <paulproteus> tomcat: Heh. :)
[03:27] <Ironfrost> in Ubuntu, I want to edit the contents of the Applications menu, but when I type applications:/// in the file browser, it tells me that it is not a valid location
[03:27] <Ironfrost> what am I doing wrong?
[03:27] <saik0> Xgates, actually linux-restricted-modules-k7 is a metapackage that will depend on the latest one
[03:27] <paulproteus> _phate_: Okay.
[03:27] <blizzo> www.xmms.org/skins
[03:27] <propagandhi> Ironfrost, use the menu editor
[03:27] <paulproteus> _phate_: Hold on ase.
[03:27] <paulproteus> a sec.
[03:27] <Reblended> synd thanks for all  your help
[03:28] <paulproteus> _phate_: Do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:28] <tomcat> I mean, I know where the option to get gnome to let you log in as root in ubuntu.. but not on the gentoo box...
[03:28] <JaZy84> nice the same skins work for BMP?
[03:28] <paulproteus> As root, do that.
[03:28] <_phate_> palproteus: k
[03:28] <Ironfrost> propagandhi - where is the menu editor?
[03:28] <paulproteus> _phate_: It'll ask you to pick a driver.
[03:29] <paulproteus> You want very much to pick the driver called "nv".
[03:29] <Xgates> saik0, all I see it say is linux-restricted-modules-k7 2.6.10-7
[03:29] <saik0> JaZy84, XMMS skins are basically winamp skins, which also work in beep
[03:29] <paulproteus> The list of drivers begins with "ati", just so you can recognize it.
[03:29] <propagandhi> right click on the launch button and choose menu editor
[03:29] <JaZy84> awesome
[03:29] <JaZy84> ty
[03:29] <Reblended> xmms.org 404
[03:29] <JaZy84> for all the help
[03:29] <_phate_> k
[03:29] <_phate_> one sec
[03:29] <JaZy84> yeah xmms.org 404 here too
[03:29] <Ironfrost> launch button?
[03:29] <Ironfrost> this is in Gnome?
[03:30] <Dekkard> ?
[03:30] <Dekkard> launch button?
[03:30] <frank> Anyone know how to get alsa working?   Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[03:30] <Xgates> saik0, I dont see any linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7
[03:30] <Xgates> hmm
[03:30] <crimsun> frank: is esd running?
[03:31] <frank> yeah
[03:31] <eruin> esd is evil.
[03:31] <frank> killing esd doesn't change anything
[03:31] <crimsun> frank: System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Sink>ESD>Test
[03:31] <propagandhi> Dekkard - the K Menu button, or whatever u wish to refer to it as
[03:31] <synd> Reblended: no problem
[03:31] <frank> crimsun the esd and oss tests work
[03:31] <darkaudit> hmph... filed a bug for libmusicbrainz4
[03:31] <epicenter> I have an app that won't work if compiled in 64-bit. How can I compile it 32-bit?
[03:31] <synd> Reblended: sorry i went afk
[03:32] <eruin> propagandhi: that's kde, not gnome o.O
[03:32] <epicenter> (or long story short is there a 32-bit only gcc I can run?)
[03:32] <epicenter> I am in AMD64-Hoary.
[03:32] <Reblended> synd np, do you have to type Reblended: in every time?
[03:32] <saik0> Xgates, do you have the restricted repo in your apt sources? I think it comes enabled by default. Updated from Warty or Hoary install
[03:32] <saik0> ;er the last part was a question
[03:32] <hyphenated> epicenter: which app is it?
[03:32] <propagandhi> well, i assumed he was using kde - i know i shouldnt have but i did
[03:32] <synd> Reblended: if you can swing a firewire 800 card and a firewire 800 drive, that would be nice
[03:32] <epicenter> hyphenated: darkplaces, a quake engine that uses GL
[03:32] <synd> no i type reb then press <tab> and it auto-completes it
[03:33] <synd> Reblended:
[03:33] <bet0x> Hello all
[03:33] <Xgates> saik0, I found it doing apt-cache search, just couldnt seem to find it in Synaptic
[03:33] <Reblended> synd oh, a firewire pcmcia card? I have the 1394 built in
[03:33] <bet0x> How i configure a old mouse "SERIAL" ?
[03:33] <Reblended> by morse code
[03:33] <frank> crimsun: do you know how I could fix this?
[03:33] <Reblended> =p
[03:33] <bet0x> is not on my /dev/psaux
[03:33] <synd> Reblended: firewire 800 is rather new
[03:34] <Reblended> synd sounds fast.. kinda like a firewire II?
[03:34] <synd> Reblended: the firewire you got is most likely firewire 400
[03:34] <Reblended> synd yup..
[03:34] <wjesusaxl> hey guys I got some problems compiling my kernel
[03:34] <bet0x> crimsum, are you there?
[03:34] <wjesusaxl> any help
[03:34] <venkman> how can i get this file in hoary? libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
[03:35] <Reblended> I don't know if I can boot to pcmcia, there is a removable media option in the boot order, however, synd
[03:35] <synd> Reblended: yes
[03:35] <epicenter> So, IS there a 32-bit only compiler in the repository?
[03:35] <epicenter> like 'gcc-32'?
[03:35] <bet0x> HOW i can configure a OLD SERIAL mouse ???
[03:35] <Xgates> saik0, ahh its under Misc Text based in Synaptic
[03:35] <Xgates> hehe
[03:35] <Xgates> ok thanks
[03:35] <Xgates> brb
[03:35] <Reblended> synd OUCH, firewire 800 HD 80gb,, hold on to your redHat, 292.30$
[03:36] <frank> epicenter: you probably have to set i386 as target architectuer somehow
[03:36] <synd> Reblended: oh yea, its quite expensive
[03:36] <Reblended> I'll go with 80.0 GB ATA/100 4200 RPM 9.5mm 12MS 8MB $130.00  synd
[03:36] <Reblended> synd laptop internal
[03:36] <Reblended> I need an enclosure for my current drive tho.
[03:36] <saik0> bet0x, crim comes and goes (like a karma chemeleon)
[03:36] <synd> Reblended: how about 5400?
[03:37] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[03:37] <Reblended> synd only 20$ more
[03:37] <Reblended> synd worth it
[03:37] <synd> Reblended: its worth it
[03:37] <FX|Laptop> I was wondering since I'm using VLC how can I stop totem from starting when I throw in a movie dvd?
[03:37] <Reblended> and twice the cache synd
[03:37] <blizzo> yeah but disabling esd helps. Realplayer is working now
[03:37] <epicenter> Frank: I was told I could just use a 32-bit only compiler?
[03:37] <Reblended> thx, synd
[03:37] <synd> yep
[03:37] <melodie> Hello, I look for info on modules for winmodems ?
[03:38] <synd> 7200's better but your battery life will suffe
[03:38] <synd> are
[03:38] <Reblended> melodie me too!
[03:38] <frank> epicenter: Are you compiling with gcc directly or make?
[03:38] <Reblended> synd > I have no battery.. it died long ago
[03:38] <blizzo> FX|Laptop .... apt-get remove totem ;) I mean your using VLC!
[03:38] <epicenter> frank: make
[03:38] <melodie> where did you look so far ?
[03:38] <epicenter> frank: he said run it with make gcc=gcc-32 releases or similar with gcc-32 replaced by whatever the 32-bit ocmpiler in ubuntu is. he has suse.
[03:39] <synd> Reblended: hell, get a 7200. it's hella faster than a 42 or 54
[03:39] <Reblended> synd I use my laptop like a portable desktop... I'm typing on a ps2-usb adaptor keyboard and a wacom mouse/tablet
[03:39] <FX|Laptop> I looked at that in synaptics and it also wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:39] <synd> Reblended: oh.. i see.
[03:39] <Reblended> synd the only 7200 is a 60 gig...
[03:39] <Reblended> synd, that's good enuf
[03:39] <synd> did you check pricewatch
[03:39] <Reblended> synd only 8mb cache instead of 16...
[03:39] <synd> hm
[03:39] <saik0> FX|Laptop, you can find it in the weirdest place using gconf
[03:40] <frank> epicenter: i don't really know about that
[03:40] <melodie> do you know if winmodem modules need compiling the kernel ?
[03:40] <Fob> How can I get hibernate to work on Hoary?  My desktop freezes when I try to hibernate.  I'm running a Compaq Evo 610! Help!!!
[03:40] <blizzo> saik0: ahh good to know thx
[03:40] <Reblended> saikO weirdest place? Yes I am using an FX190
[03:40] <epicenter> oy.
[03:40] <FX|Laptop> I was thinking that also. Kind of watching Super Volcano on the Discovery Channel and messing with this too. lol
[03:41] <frank> Any body know how to get alsa working? Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[03:41] <User_123> hey all im looking for Microsoft support chat  room can any one help me find one ??
[03:41] <saik0> FX|Laptop, it's the key called autoplay_dvd in /desktop/gnome/volume_manager
[03:41] <Reblended> what sort of support, user
[03:41] <saik0> FX|Laptop, you could also change autoplay_dvd_command to VLC, I'm not sure what that would look like though
[03:41] <xgates> saik0: I installed that restricted linux pack but then when I ran startxz said there was not nividia driver, hmm
[03:41] <xgates> startx ....
[03:42] <FX|Laptop> ty
[03:42] <epicenter> Does anyone know of a 32-bit GCC for Ubuntu? or any 32-bit only compiler? :P
[03:42] <saik0> xgates, no 'nividia' ay?
[03:42] <epicenter> I cannot get this app to run in 64-bit period.
[03:42] <Reblended> FX|Laptop : I use a FX190 sony... what are you on?
[03:42] <epicenter> The author insists I find an app like gcc-32.
[03:42] <xgates> saik0: yea cant run startx says no driver
[03:42] <xgates> hmm
[03:42] <synd> epicenter: is there not one in the apt?
[03:43] <sono> epicenter, I just joined the chat, I am using x64 as well... what's your problem?
[03:43] <melodie> apt-cache search gcc
[03:43] <saik0> xgates, uhh well I was joking before but are you sure you have xorg.conf configured with 'nvidia' and not 'nividia'?
[03:43] <frank> epicenter: is that info on a web page?
[03:43] <epicenter> No, the author's mouth
[03:43] <epicenter> sono: I have an app written by a friend and it will NOT work in 64-bit
[03:44] <xgates> saik0: yes I was just using it the last time I talked to you, but I uninstalled the default image and stuck in the k7 one
[03:44] <melodie> For the winmodem: is not for me, I don't have windows
[03:44] <epicenter> it must be compiled as a 32-bit binary
[03:44] <Ironfrost> My question wasn't answered before, so here goes again:
[03:44] <epicenter> but, he can't tell me what 32-bit GCC To use
[03:44] <epicenter> as he uses Suse. Not ubuntu
[03:44] <melodie> I look for the info specific to Ubuntu
[03:44] <saik0> xgates, after installing the modules did you install the nvidia-glx package?
[03:44] <Ironfrost> I can't add an item to the Gnome Applications menu in Ubuntu
[03:44] <calc> epicenter: if it wasn't buggy it wouldn't matter
[03:44] <sono> was it written for the x64 architecture,?
[03:44] <Ironfrost> when I go to applications:/// in the file browser it says it isn't a valid address
[03:44] <xgates> saik0: nvidia-glx is for the default image not for k7
[03:44] <goldfish> Ironfrost: hoary?
[03:44] <sono> is it a binary epicenter?
[03:45] <frank> Ironfrost: This is the most anoying thing about Ubuntu right now
[03:45] <Ironfrost> and when I right-click on the menus the "add launcher to menu" option isn't there
[03:45] <epicenter> sono: it's source.
[03:45] <Ironfrost> Goldfish - yes, the latest version
[03:45] <xgates> saik0: so Im trying to figure out where is the nvidia-glx for K7
[03:45] <goldfish> aye
[03:45] <goldfish> doesnt work in hoary
[03:45] <Ironfrost> it's just a bug then?
[03:45] <FX|Laptop> Reblended, I'm using a Toshiba Satallite
[03:45] <Ironfrost> bah
[03:45] <frank> Ironfrost: you can get a menu editor somewhere... wait a sec
[03:45] <Reblended> frank opensource means you can hack it, right? =p
[03:45] <sono> does it configures succesfully epicenter? is the problem at the make process?
[03:45] <synd> FX|Laptop: how old?
[03:45] <Reblended> FX|Laptop why is your name FX? I'm using a PCG-FX190 =] 
[03:45] <epicenter> sono: there is no configuration. it only has a make file.
[03:45] <Ironfrost> Frank - if it's just a bug, I'll wait for a patch
[03:46] <epicenter> sono: Author: "darkplaces still has to be built in 32bit
[03:46] <epicenter> LordHavoc because the quakec vm has 32bit sstring pointers. I haven't cured this yet"
[03:46] <Ironfrost> I don't need it now; I only have a couple of programs installed
[03:46] <FX|Laptop> P15 S409
[03:46] <FX|Laptop> Couple of years old
[03:46] <saik0> xgates, no the linux-restricted-modules-386 are the default ones
[03:46] <frank> Ironfrost http://myosc.org/ubuntuguide/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:46] <epicenter> sono: It MAKEs fine. But once you are in the app it can't find files it looks for. This is the problem LordHavoc Describes.
[03:46] <saik0> xgates, you will still need nvidia-glx
[03:46] <PecK> hey all
[03:46] <epicenter> sono: for this reason, he says it must be compiled to 32-bit
[03:47] <frank> Ironfrost its not a bug, its a missing feature in Gnome 2.10
[03:47] <sono> epicenter... oh I see... have you tried the linux32 emulation?
[03:47] <FX|Laptop> Oh yea in my gconfig I changed the key for "autoplay_dvd_command totem dvd:// to vlc dvd:// and it worked. :)
[03:47] <Ironfrost> ah, OK
[03:47] <Ironfrost> seems like a pretty glaring ommission to me
[03:47] <epicenter> sono: yes. I get a 64-bit binary.
[03:47] <Ironfrost> thanks for the link
[03:47] <FX|Laptop> vlc starts now automatically when I throw in a dvd
[03:47] <saik0> FX|Laptop, cool good to know
[03:47] <sono> epicenter: is tedious but it works; you have to install with a dpkg -X every needed library for the provided application
[03:47] <epicenter> dpkg -X?
[03:47] <xgates> saik0: then why when running nvidia-glx from Synaptic it wants to install the old 2.6.10-5-i386 linux image and modules?
[03:48] <xgates> saik0: I dont need the i386 one
[03:48] <FX|Laptop> Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated. :)
[03:48] <sono> epicenter, but you can still run the 32 bit binary, with its isolated 32bit libraries
[03:48] <Reblended> any problem recognizing pcmcia cards with ubuntu?
[03:48] <epicenter> sono: I don't know what its required libraries are
[03:48] <sono> by using this linux32 command line wrapper epicenter
[03:48] <saik0> xgates, do you have the linux-k7 package installed?
[03:49] <sono> I see epicenter... its a pity...
[03:49] <PecK> not my wifi card Reblended
[03:49] <frank> epicenter: You could also use a 32bit chroot... a whole 32bit linux inside linux
[03:49] <saik0> FX|Laptop, now I'm curious to know why that key is in the volume manager tho =)
[03:49] <xgates> saik0: I have linux-image and the restricted is all
[03:49] <epicenter> frank: How complex is that? :P
[03:49] <PecK> Reblended, what type of card and why do u ask?
[03:49] <Reblended> PecK ugg, oh no! I have a wifi pcmcia.. I sure hope it will work
[03:49] <Reblended> PecK it's a linksys b
[03:49] <FX|Laptop> saik0, you tell me and we will both know. :)
[03:49] <xgates> saik0: I'm stuck in console so for this k7 pack run --> apt-get install what?
[03:49] <frank> I can show you the instructions on a post
[03:49] <PecK> Reblended, got a netgear and worked with no need for conf
[03:50] <Reblended> PecK no configure? amazing
[03:50] <saik0> xgates, install linux-k7 and linux-restricted-modules-k7
[03:50] <JaZy84> is there anyways to change when your browseing 'computer or home' to have a back and an up arroe
[03:50] <frank> epicenter: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[03:50] <JaZy84> [08:49pm]  [JaZy84]  arrow it's a pain having to close the whole window if i overclick one dir.
[03:50] <Reblended> well, I should just get one, I can't find my linksys. =p
[03:50] <echo> Can someone point me in the right direction to get java working on hoary?
[03:50] <xgates> saik0: ok thanks
[03:50] <PecK> Reblended, yeah, only had to setup ip address, wep key, ssid, etc.
[03:50] <frank> epicenter: It might be hard if you just follow blindly
[03:50] <sono> anyone tried to plug a midi usb keyboard to any ubuntu version?
[03:50] <Reblended> PecK  ez
[03:51] <PecK> no drivers, no firmware, Reblended, but depends on your firmware in fact, and whether ubuntu has compatible drivers built-in
[03:51] <PecK> Reblended, but why do you ask?
[03:51] <xgates> saik0: ok I got them all let me try that thanks again
[03:51] <fallstorm> echo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:51] <frank> Any body know how to get alsa working? Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[03:51] <frank> anyone?
[03:51] <epicenter> frank: This seems like a great way to break the installation or package system.
[03:52] <crimsun> frank: sorry, I was busy
[03:52] <Reblended> PecK I'm trying to figure out how to yank out my laptop hd... gonna just get a new one, this one is loosing health...
[03:52] <crimsun> frank: ok, so did that test succeed?
[03:52] <blizzo> echo: download it from java.sun.com ... it has an installer
[03:52] <frank> crimsun! can you help me?
[03:52] <echo> Specifically I'm looking for this package : sun-j2sdk1.5debian
[03:52] <frank> crimsun: the esd and oss tests work
[03:52] <PecK> Reblended what strategy are you willing to adopt?
[03:52] <FX|Laptop> Welp bedtime. cya later
[03:52] <FX|Laptop> thanks again!!!!
[03:52] <crimsun> frank: ok, and was your problem with xmms originally?
[03:52] <sono> crimsun, hello.  A lil question: is there a ready implementation for m-audio's usb midi hardware @ ubuntu's kernel?
[03:52] <echo> Well, I have "java" installed... I just want to get that package so my mozilla plugins will work
[03:53] <frank> epicenter: actually the chroot dosent'see the outside package system at all
[03:53] <Reblended> PecK the strategy of opening the bottom of my laptop and poking around =] 
[03:53] <crimsun> sono: it relies on the standard ALSA midi, so it should work.
[03:53] <vincent> Hi all :)
[03:53] <vincent> I've two questions
[03:53] <saik0> echo, I dunno if you need sun's Java for some reason, but I added the blackdown debian repo to my sources and thats worked out beautfully
[03:53] <PecK> Reblended, and why do you need to know if pcmcia works fine with ubuntu?
[03:53] <vincent> one regarding Savage DRI
[03:53] <xgates> saik0: crap still no nvidia driver
[03:53] <xgates> hehe
[03:53] <xgates> damm
[03:53] <crimsun> sono: I haven't tested midi in quite some time, but I'm certainly interested in one's progress.
[03:53] <vincent> and the other involving a delay in my sounds.
[03:54] <Reblended> PecK I don't have wifi built in, so I'm gonna have to use pcmcia
[03:54] <vincent> Anybody up to hear me out?
[03:54] <PecK> Reblended, what does it have to do with ubuntu?
[03:54] <saik0> xgates, you have nvidia-glx installed now though?
[03:54] <sono> crimsun: out of the box? I made it work with a debian woody last year, by uploading the m-audio firmware image
[03:54] <frank> crimsun: I never used xmms. Its for getting a game to run and apparently it does if it uses alsa instead of oss
[03:54] <blizzo> echo: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#q2.2
[03:54] <Reblended> PecK ubuntu has to support it, right?
[03:54] <crimsun> sono: then it will work with Ubuntu Hoary.
[03:54] <frank> crimsun xmms works
[03:54] <xgates> saik0: no why would I install nvidia-glx it was compiled for /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-i386 path
[03:54] <echo> saik0, I've had this working on debian sid, so it should work in ubuntu, especially since there's a wiki page describing how to do it
[03:55] <blizah> what dvd/cd burning stuff does ubuntu come with?
[03:55] <crimsun> sono: for instance, my Transit USB works great with Warty and Hoary.
[03:55] <Reblended> PecK thanks for the anecdote
[03:55] <matt_> I'm using xmms right now
[03:55] <sono> crimsun: but that's the exact procedure I followed then to make my M-audio Duo interface work.  And now, warty and hoary support the duo out of the box.
[03:55] <PecK> Reblended, lol yeah, but I don't see it : you want to poke out your hd and replace it. seems fine. what's wifi and ubuntu got to do with it?
[03:55] <blizzo> echo: ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[03:55] <vincent> Anybody?  Savage DRI on Hoary?
[03:55] <echo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:55] <xgates> saik0: how can that help Nvidia drivers have to be compiled to a certain /lib/modules path
[03:55] <frank> blicah: Gnomebaker
[03:55] <blizzo> echo: in plugin directory
[03:55] <matt_> using k3b on it right now. lol
[03:55] <bet0x> quit
[03:55] <crimsun> vincent: I'm sorry, but I doubt it. Last I remember, 2D is supported but not 3D. I could be behind, however.
[03:56] <Reblended> PecK, I've never taken my laptop hd out b4... so that's why I asked. =] 
[03:56] <crimsun> frank: ok, so your game requires direct alsa access?
[03:56] <frank> I think so
[03:56] <PecK> still don't get it
[03:56] <xgates> saik0: if you do apt-get install nvidia-glx it also install linux-image-2.6.10-5-i386 and the modules for that
[03:56] <crimsun> frank: if so, simply killing esd before starting your game should suffice.
[03:56] <vincent> crimsun:  Yeah, unfortunately, that's what I gather.  According to freedesktop.org, I'd have to compile my own x.org
[03:57] <saik0> xgates, no, the stuff compiled for your kernel was in the restricted modules package, the nvidia-glx package contaims common stuff for any kernel
[03:57] <frank> crimsun: Isaw that posted elsewhere but it doesn't work. And I actually run the game inside a chroot.
[03:57] <blizah> frank does gnomebacker burn iso's?
[03:57] <matt_> it does blizah
[03:57] <saik0> xgates, have you tried apt-get install nvidia-glx after getting the right restricted modules?
[03:58] <blizah> k, tnx
[03:58] <vincent> crimsun: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't do much.  I configured it to run the DRI package, but I still only get ~140 FPS in glxgears
[03:58] <matt_> but you can also apt-get k3b. it's better
[03:58] <sono> crimsun: right crim, both comply with the usb audio kernel's module, but when I used my m-audio keystation, I was using the agnula kernel which today is pretty outdated.
[03:58] <xgates> saik0: let me try it ok thanks
[03:58] <xgates> brb
[03:58] <JaZy84> is there a way to set the domain. becuase when i look on my windows machine i see it on mshome, that's not my default.
[03:58] <sono> crimsun: and even with that kernel, I had to upload the firmware with a hotplug script.
[03:58] <frank> crimsun: shouldn't I be supposed to be able to select alsa in the multimedia switcher?
[03:59] <blizah> isnt there some new tool in hoary that checks for updates?
[03:59] <saik0> JaZy84, you eman workgroup?
[03:59] <vincent> crimsun: is there anything else I can check, that you know of?  And if not, the next release of ubuntu is supposed to have DRI support folded in.  Know when it's coming?
[03:59] <crimsun> sono: I still do use that same script
[03:59] <JaZy84> eman ?
[03:59] <crimsun> vincent: every 6 months - October 2005
[03:59] <saik0> JaZy84, mean*
[03:59] <JaZy84> hold on maybe i got it yes i ment
[03:59] <sono> crimsun: oh ok. So we are on the right track.  I will let you know if I succeed making this keystation work.
[03:59] <crimsun> frank: yes, does it not work?
[04:00] <vincent> crimsun: oh.  Right.  Sorry.  Thanks for your help :)
[04:00] <duncanm> jdub: hey
[04:00] <crimsun> sono: great
[04:00] <JaZy84> okay fixed that problem i can see it in my windows pc
[04:00] <crimsun> vincent: np
[04:00] <JaZy84> however i can't connect to it
[04:00] <frank> crimsun: no I get a Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[04:00] <JaZy84> it comes up with a u /p window and i type it in, (linux u/p) but nothing happens.
[04:00] <vincent> second problem--the delay in my sound
[04:00] <saik0> JaZy84, edit your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:00] <vincent> everything happens a second or two late
[04:00] <frank> and the game complains about a missing device that I think should be in /dev/snd
[04:00] <duncanm> saik0: hey, do you use nautilus to mount SMB mounts?
[04:01] <blizah> isnt there a new app in hoary that tells you when a package can be updated?
[04:01] <vincent> on my (according to lspci) VIA 8233
[04:01] <blizah> err a program?
[04:01] <amonkey> does anyone know how to get controls with either mozilla-mplayer or mozplugger(they both won't work for me)? relevant google searches turned up similar problems, but no solutions.
[04:01] <saik0> duncanm, I used to
[04:01] <fallstorm> blizah, synaptic can check for updates; there's also an automatic update manager.
[04:01] <saik0> duncanm, I have done away with windows now though, so I've done away with SMB
[04:01] <frank> blizah: its System->Administration->Ubuntu Update Manager
[04:01] <blizah> fallstorm k
[04:02] <frank> amonkey: for mozilla-mplayer I needed to compile the latest version from their website
[04:02] <adoyretsamon> how do i add hardware under ubuntu?
[04:03] <amonkey> frank: did you have the control problem too?
[04:03] <MyNameIsChris> adoyretsamon, What hardware?
[04:03] <fallstorm> adoyretsamon, insert hardware, hope it works generally. :P
[04:03] <adoyretsamon> tv tuner
[04:03] <Misogynist> If it's not detected at boot, file it as a bug.
[04:03] <frank> amonkey: and then I got controls with the latest version
[04:03] <saik0> amonkey, I went the route of using mozplugger with totem, if youre intrested
[04:03] <MyNameIsChris> adoyretsamon, Does lspci see it?
[04:03] <amonkey> saik0: is that embeded into the page?
[04:03] <Ex-Cyber> so... the sticker on the board says "Dragon KT333 Lite", but the BIOS string has "KT400" in it, and Linux detects a KT400/600 AGP bridge...
[04:04] <adoyretsamon> i put in a bt card and added the tvtime, etc... but not sure how to configure after that
[04:04] <saik0> amonkey, sure is, I love it
[04:04] <punkrockguy318> Does Ubuntu support French?
[04:04] <adoyretsamon> MyNameIsChris: lol... the card is in there
[04:04] <JaZy84> in the smb.conf were can i put user/password
[04:04] <amonkey> saik0: is there a nice guide anywhere to get mozplugger to use totem?
[04:04] <frank> punkrock: I think so
[04:04] <amonkey> frank: i compiled it myself, and it didn't work, do you have to sepcify a skin (i didn't)
[04:04] <punkrockguy318> frank, how can I change languages?
[04:05] <adoyretsamon> a control center would make adding such hardware easier
[04:05] <MyNameIsChris> adoyretsamon, Then it is added, getting it to work is the fun part
[04:05] <crimsun> frank: ah, interesting.
[04:05] <saik0> amonkey, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17727
[04:05] <frank> amonkey are you talking about mozzila-mplayer?
[04:05] <gyges> hello all. I am running warty. I hear i cna upgrade to hoary. can someone point me to the required apt lists for me to do the dist-upgrade?
[04:06] <crimsun> frank: ok, please paste the output of the following commands to http://pastebin.com: lsmod, lspci -v, lspnp, dmesg, cat /proc/asound/modules, cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:06] <JaZy84> i uncommeted the security-user part
[04:06] <adoyretsamon> MyNameIsChris: i would do better to reinstall ubuntu then
[04:06] <JaZy84> but still nothing
[04:06] <andrewski> gyges: same lists, replace warty with hoary.
[04:06] <gyges> andrewski, sweeeet
[04:06] <gyges> ok thanks
[04:06] <andrewski> yup.
[04:06] <crimsun> frank: (lspci if your sound card is pci, lspnp if it's isa)
[04:06] <amonkey> frank: i've tried mplayerplug-in,  mozplugger and mozilla-mplayer with exact same results
[04:06] <amonkey> saik: thanks will look at it
[04:07] <frank> crimsun: should I do all this only outside the chroot?
[04:07] <punkrockguy318> amonkey, i haven't found a media plugin for firefox that i've liked
[04:07] <punkrockguy318> amonkey, my firefox sometimes crashes, and I believe it may be due to some of my plugins
[04:07] <JaZy84> can i just allow everyone to connect to a share without getting the u/p
[04:07] <punkrockguy318> amonkey, and mozilla-mplayer looks really ugly X-(
[04:08] <dj28> is mozilla-mplayer in universe?
[04:08] <saik0> IMO mplayer is ugly in general....
[04:08] <crimsun> frank: wherever you're experiencing the problem
[04:08] <amonkey> punk: i'm not too concerned with looks, functionality is what i want first
[04:08] <frank> punkrockguy: the mplayer-plugin from the repository crashes firefox alot
[04:08] <punkrockguy318> saik0, true
[04:08] <frank> crimsun ok
[04:08] <punkrockguy318> frank, yeah, i've noticed
[04:08] <punkrockguy318> frank, what do you suggest?
[04:09] <Epileg> helo
[04:09] <frank> punkrock: Ill get back to you
[04:09] <punkrockguy318> frank, alright
[04:10] <dle> Hello. hoary seems to have disabled direct editing of gnome menus.  Has anyone else noticed this?  Also several of gnome's special URI locations are inaccesible, e.g. 'applications:///'.
[04:10] <niran> has anyone tried out meebey's mono packages?
[04:10] <Agrajag> dle: welcome to Gnome 2.10
[04:10] <ubuntu> hey
[04:10] <blizah> there any packages in ubuntu for converting movie files to something else (DVD)
[04:10] <dle> Agrajag: that's a Gnome thing?
[04:11] <Agrajag> yes
[04:11] <crimsun> niran: no, but I will be.
[04:11] <holycow> dle, aplications:/// was actually removed from gnome 2.10 it self
[04:11] <crimsun> niran: why, are there issues?
[04:11] <ubuntu> whas up?
[04:11] <holycow> dle, there are instructions on ubuntu website on how to install gnome menu editor
[04:11] <dle> holycow, Agrajag: what about --- ah.
[04:11] <niran> crimsun, no, i was just wondering if there was an easy way for me to install beagle
[04:11] <Epileg> yes, http://myosc.org/ubuntuguide/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[04:12] <crimsun> niran: there's a guide on the wiki for it that may be outdated.
[04:12] <niran> crimsun, plus, i don't want to risk installing them now, cause i'm assuming rolling back would be a pain
[04:12] <dle> holycow. Agrajag: It's a shame Gnome didn't also change their documentation too.
[04:12] <niran> crimsun, yeah i saw that, i'm just holding out till things are packaged in all their glory
[04:12] <vasi> the gamin server seems to be grabbing my mounts in /mnt....i don't think it should be doing that
[04:12] <holycow> dle, well you can always jump in and help if you have time, documentation guys are always looking for help
[04:12] <punkrockguy318> dle, i love how the docs still say GNOME 2.6...
[04:13] <niran> crimsun, which i appreciate by the way :)
[04:14] <Xgates> saik0, forgot if I said thanks but that worked :-)
[04:14] <PecK> what anti-virus app with you recommend with ubuntu?
[04:14] <Chaotic_Reality> my laptop has shut down twice after i've left it for a while, is there some setting in kubuntu that is shutting my computer down after inactivity or is it maybe over heating? i would think it's the prior but am not sure
[04:14] <saik0> Xgates, yep, glad I could help
[04:14] <holycow> PecK, hahaha
[04:14] <freex> what the version og gtk in Hoary?
[04:15] <Xgates> say besides 'rcconf' to shutdown services, those not listed in it, like LVM, ssh, RAID, etc.. how do you kill those at startup?
[04:15] <freex> *of
[04:15] <PecK> or do you think configuring the firewall might be enough?
[04:15] <amonkey> saik0: i didn't see the mplayer loading screen, but it looks exactly the same (black bar where the controls should be)
[04:15] <freex> whats the version of gtk in Hoary?
[04:15] <Xgates> do you have to edit the /etc/rc. files by hand # comment them?
[04:15] <holycow> PecK, seriously, what do you mean antivirus? are you using ubuntu as a smtp gateway to strip windows viruses?
[04:16] <saik0> amonkey, cant help you, like I said I dont use mplayer I use totem
[04:16] <PecK> holycow no, I meant client-side. You think it's ok not to have one? home desktop pc
[04:16] <punkrockguy318> freemymind, 2.6.4
[04:16] <kdp> did everyone see tonights episode of arrested development?
[04:16] <punkrockguy318> freex, 2.6.4
[04:16] <holycow> PecK, your serious?
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> PecK, it is ok
[04:16] <freex> tnx punk
[04:16] <amonkey> saik0: i switched it to totem with that page (many thanks) is what i meant
[04:16] <Xgates> anyone know how to shut down services that aren't listed in 'rcconf' ?
[04:16] <holycow> PecK, this is linux, there are a few viruses otu there, but the reality is none of them really exist
[04:16] <Epileg> have you seen a dvd movie in hoary?
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> not to have av on linux... only the user account would get hosed anyway
[04:16] <Burgundavia> PecK, there are no virii for Linux in the wild
[04:17] <holycow> PecK, any viruses that anyone has seen were lab tests ... so no, this isn't windows, antivirus solutions don't exist for linux
[04:17] <propagandhi> Xgates - do u use webmin - its a very handy tool
[04:17] <saik0> amonkey, ahh K, you should be able to right click the window now for some options, addidtionally you can hit H to show the controls
[04:17] <crimsun> frank: ping me when the url's up
[04:17] <PecK> holycow, Burgundavia, what about malicious stuff? can exist...
[04:17] <Burgundavia> holycow, technically not true. Solutions exist. There are just no defintions for any linux virii
[04:17] <Quest-Master> How do I create a symlink?
[04:17] <holycow> PecK, also no antispyware solutions exist either
[04:17] <punkrockguy318> Quest-Master, man ln
[04:17] <Agrajag> Quest-Master: man ln
[04:17] <PecK> lol Burgundavia ok i get the point
[04:17] <holycow> PecK, what Burgundavia said
[04:17] <geppy> Why doesn't a clipboard daemon ship with Ubuntu?
[04:17] <punkrockguy318> Quest-Master, basically: ln -s /link/object /link/name
[04:17] <Burgundavia> PecK, don't worry, virii and malware will come
[04:18] <PecK> holycow, then apt-get will do the trick and i can trust every script I find??
[04:18] <crimsun> geppy: a what?
[04:18] <punkrockguy318> geppy, i wish one would.. how can I install one?
[04:18] <holycow> PecK, don't listed to Burgundavia they won't
[04:18] <holycow> :)
[04:18] <PecK> Burgundavia, I don't doubt it
[04:18] <cb122> hello all
[04:18] <Burgundavia> PecK, they just wont be nearly as destructive as windows ones
[04:18] <Xgates> propagandhi: no, just thought there was a GUI FE in here to do it or trying to figure the norm for stopping services in this thing
[04:18] <geppy> crimsun: A daemon that would keep the clipboard, such that when you copy from a program and close it, you don't lose the copied data.
[04:18] <Xgates> LOL
[04:18] <frank> crimsun: I sent what you asked?
[04:18] <Chaotic_Reality> my laptop has shut down twice after i've left it for a while, is there some setting in kubuntu that is shutting my computer down after inactivity or is it maybe over heating? i would think it's the prior but am not sure. any ideas? the power is plugged in, it's not running off battery either...
[04:18] <crimsun> frank: sorry, I didn't see the url
[04:18] <holycow> Burgundavia, nor will they spread at all
[04:18] <punkrockguy318> geppy, is there one that exists?
[04:18] <propagandhi> with KDE u have ksysguard - i dont know about gnome
[04:18] <geppy> punkrockguy318: There was talk of one in the forums soon after Warty came out; you could probably google for one.
[04:19] <PecK> Burgundavia, probably not, but still you might want to avoid problems, even small
[04:19] <Burgundavia> holycow, some will spread, but the diversity will play against them
[04:19] <saik0> lol @ holycow
[04:19] <frank> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/269821
[04:19] <geppy> punkrockguy318: Yes.
[04:19] <propagandhi> webmin is good for all that thoug, u should check it out
[04:19] <PecK> Burgundavia, diversity?
[04:19] <cb122> anyone have success getting Mambo to install on Ubuntu?
[04:19] <Burgundavia> PecK, a virus that installs on Suse may not install on Ubuntu or RH
[04:19] <holycow> Burgundavia, :) yes the virus will haveto popup a menu that asks the user for their sudo password
[04:19] <crimsun> frank: thanks, sec
[04:19] <holycow> thats going to be one fast spreading virus
[04:20] <Burgundavia> PecK, a lot of window virii require certain things to be there. Such as OE
[04:20] <amonkey> saik0: i was stupid, i save a backup of the mozplugger config, and then saved over that with the totem one, instead of the main one.
[04:20] <PecK> Burgundavia, aren't the communitiesand the editors willing to standardize to a point, mostly on installations?
[04:20] <PecK> Burgundavia, if it wasn't like that, maybe we'd get less. but still....
[04:20] <frank> punkrockguy: what I did was compile the latest version of mplayer-plugin
[04:20] <dle> darn, the one thing I want rid of -- the Debian sub-menu -- menu-editor doesn't see.
[04:20] <saik0> holycow, it will change all manpages to say 'Please see sudo /usr/local/bin/virus for more details'
[04:20] <holycow> PecK, not to the extent windows is standardized, software is fragile, you change one single 0 to a 1 and you can fuck up an entire machine
[04:21] <holycow> saik0, exactly :)
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:21] <PecK> Burgundavia, ideally, I think that virus will stop only when talents will be recognized more easily
[04:21] <saik0> amonkey, heh. so it's working now, yes?
[04:21] <amonkey> saik0: config replaced, testing right now
[04:22] <holycow> PecK, how many viruses are on osx? or mac os?
[04:22] <PecK> Burgundavia, that means people won't necessarilly spy also. but that's not today
[04:22] <crimsun> frank: ok, and amixer output?
[04:22] <holycow> how long has apple been around?
[04:22] <punkrockguy318> geppy, mmm, works very nice!  This should definately be included in the next ubuntu release... you should add a bug report or add it to the idea pool
[04:22] <goldfish> holycow: none
[04:22] <holycow> and macs are as standardized as windows
[04:22] <amonkey> cow: i think there was a slashdot about a contest to make a mac virus, so maybe none?
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> Adobe Acrobat 7 has spyware built into it
[04:22] <Burgundavia> PecK, for today, if you are concerned install firestarter and configure a firewall
[04:22] <PecK> holycow, can't tell. there's no market for the mac virus, or the linux virus, maybe as yet. but tomorrow?
[04:22] <holycow> PecK, it has to do with proper attention to security ...
[04:22] <holycow> PecK, but there is
[04:22] <punkrockguy318> nomasteryoda, how so?
[04:22] <geppy> punkrockguy318: Put it on the BreezyGoals wikipage?
[04:22] <holycow> there are millions of macs out there
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> let me provide link
[04:23] <punkrockguy318> geppy, good idea, you should
[04:23] <dambiguity> the contest on /. got cancelled for legal reasons
[04:23] <libben> I need a FTP CLIENT with TLS support... anyone? ive tryed some and it lets me get in some times, but then i wont see the Listning, the folders etc etc ... anyone?
[04:23] <Ironfrost> Adobe Acrobat 7 has spyware built into it  <---  what sort of spyware?
[04:23] <Xgates> well I guess GOOD ole ---> sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/service_name
[04:23] <Xgates> lol
[04:23] <Ironfrost> (we just installed it on everything at work)
[04:23] <PecK> holycow, think of the end user. today. maybe tomorrow computer class at school won't be teaching how to use word and excel but a *computer*. but that's not today
[04:23] <frank> crimsun: amixer in there
[04:23] <Xgates> we need a nice Minimual X install for this Ubuntu
[04:24] <holycow> PecK, as long as we don't allow our users to rund as administrators, we are fine
[04:24] <RastaMahata> Xgates, what?
[04:24] <amonkey> saik0: very odd behavior. it chills for about 10 seconds (loading time most likely) at a totem screen that says no file, then all of a sudden the movie pops up, totem dissapears and it looks just like before(black bar, no controls)
[04:24] <PecK> Burgundavia, thx for the tip on the firewall
[04:24] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, you could debfoster ubuntu-desktop.. adn then install X
[04:24] <Burgundavia> PecK, firestarter configures iptables, the standard Linux/BSD firewall, if you are interested
[04:24] <PecK> holycow, yes, statistically that's for sure :)
[04:24] <crimsun> frank: thanks, sec
[04:25] <saik0> amonkey, very weird, sounds like it's not getting along with the 5 mplayer plugins you had installed before =P
[04:25] <holycow> bah, this stupid dell machine wont install any form of linux
[04:25] <holycow> *grrr*
[04:25] <PecK> Burgundavia, always like more information :) I'll finish downloading the 100 packages Ubuntu had for me today, and play with it for sure
[04:25] <holycow> ...errr gateway
[04:25] <Xgates> punkrockguy318, sorry what?
[04:25] <QMario> Why is the username box grayed out when I try to login into my Linux server from my Window client over the network?
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/
[04:25] <PecK> Burgundavia, at least try... lol, i'm still a rookie here :)
[04:25] <amonkey> saik0: those are uninstalled now (via synaptic and they aren't in the plugins directory) and about:plugins shows mozplugger
[04:26] <Burgundavia> PecK, hey, we were all rookies once. Some might say I never left there
[04:26] <Xgates> RastaMahata, I'm killing services I dont need in /etc/init.d
[04:26] <PecK> Burgundavia, I gave a thought to HBG VC. Good stuff indeed
[04:26] <RastaMahata> oh
[04:26] <PecK> Burgundavia, :))
[04:26] <crimsun> frank: interesting. Nothing in there leads me to believe ALSA _shouldn't_ be working. Does aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav work?
[04:26] <crimsun> frank: (after you kill esd)
[04:26] <saik0> amonkey which backend for totem are you using?
[04:27] <Xgates> punkrockguy318, what ya mean debfoster ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:27] <QMario> Why is the username box grayed out when I try to login into my Linux server from my Window client over the network?
[04:27] <amonkey> saik0 i'm not sure what you are asking, version number?
[04:28] <RastaMahata> amonkey, search in synaptic for totem, and check if you have totem-gstreamer isntalled, or totem-xine
[04:28] <epicenter> For AMD64 Hoary is it more advisable to compile or apt-get wine?
[04:28] <epicenter> (if you even CAN apt-get wine)
[04:28] <saik0> amonkey, what he said =)
[04:28] <RastaMahata> yey, I win
[04:28] <SuperQ> anyone have an easy solution for the NTLDR missing problem?
[04:29] <dle> I assume the Debian sub-menu under Applications is a hoary thing universally, yes?
[04:29] <difekta> anyone know what the minimum i have to do to get samba working is?
[04:29] <amonkey> saik0: totem-xine; both totem and totem-gstreamer are not installed
[04:29] <difekta> it keeps asking for a username and password on the windows machine.
[04:29] <frank> crimsun: it works
[04:29] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, if you use debfoster you can remove ubuntu-desktop (which will leave you with just a base)
[04:29] <punkrockguy318> geppy, hmm apprently the daemon breaks copy and pasting in some apps?
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> SuperQ, just format the windows partition
[04:29] <PecK> Burgundavia, meant HBD :))
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:29] <punkrockguy318> there was a gnome ml discussion on it
[04:29] <crimsun> frank: ok, so your issue is related to the chroot->alsa stuff, which I'm not terribly familiar with
[04:29] <Fackamato> HOI
[04:29] <geppy> punkrockguy318: I haven't tried it;  what daemon is it?
[04:30] <punkrockguy318> geppy, gnome-clipboard-daemon
[04:30] <frank> but why doesn't the multimedia selector thing work?
[04:30] <geppy> punkrockguy318: Did you build from source?
[04:30] <punkrockguy318> geppy, no, i took the binary and it works for me
[04:30] <punkrockguy318> geppy, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2003-September/msg00193.html
[04:30] <crimsun> frank: I believe it's related to the use of hw:0,0 directly
[04:30] <geppy> punkrockguy318: Thanks!
[04:30] <saik0> amonkey, wow I didnt know you could totem-xine installed without totem, you probably want to install that
[04:30] <punkrockguy318> geppy, http://members.chello.nl/~h.lai/gnome-clipboard-daemon/index.html
[04:30] <crimsun> frank: will have to investigate, I don't know offhand
[04:31] <yachar> I hope someday everyone will use gstreamer backends with ALSA's dmix
[04:31] <frank> crimsun: snd_seq_device  is what the game complains about
[04:31] <crimsun> frank: hmm, that the sequencer stuff
[04:31] <QMario> Why is the username box grayed out when I try to login into my Linux server from my Window client over the network?
[04:32] <cevans> I am trying to dist-upgrade and libdbh1.0 in hoary/universe is giving a size mismatch. Is there a fix for this or do I need to wait?
[04:32] <frank> crimsun: and I tried a Point2Play hardware test outside the chroot too with the same failure
[04:32] <QMario> Am I posting too much?
[04:32] <geppy> punkrockguy318: In what applications is copy/paste failing for you?
[04:33] <crimsun> frank: sudo modprobe snd-seq
[04:33] <punkrockguy318> geppy, it's working fine for me, but gnome rejected the patch because it broke rtf pasting and gnumeric pasting or something
[04:33] <QMario> No, I guess not. :-D
[04:33] <punkrockguy318> geppy, it says something about it on the ml discussion
[04:33] <cb122> QMario,  noone probably knows
[04:33] <geppy> punkrockguy318: Ah, alright.
[04:33] <frank> crimsun: then what?
[04:34] <Xgates> punkrockguy318, ok I installed it but I dont see any ubuntu-desktop that came up in it
[04:34] <QMario> Heh
[04:34] <crimsun> frank: try again
[04:34] <Xgates> punkrockguy318, how would you run debfoster, just type it is all then remove the ones you find is all?
[04:34] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, just run debfoster and then tell it to prune ubuntu-desktop
[04:34] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, just run debfoster, and then remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:34] <Xgates> punkrockguy318, how much stuff is in ubuntu-desktop?
[04:34] <Xgates> sounds scary
[04:35] <Xgates> LOL
[04:35] <amonkey> saik0: ok, now i can right click and pause, and when i goto show ocntrols it shows the top bar fine but the bottom seek bar remains black. i can see a bit of it off to the right off the bottom, maybe 15 pixels
[04:35] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, pretty much evertyhing except the base
[04:35] <Xgates> well I dont want to rip out the entire distro hehe
[04:35] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, lol true
[04:35] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, you'll end up with like a default debian install
[04:36] <amonkey> saik0: when i clicked show playlist, it jiggled and hte controls came up
[04:36] <Xgates> yea but how much of Gnome will I have killed?
[04:36] <amonkey> saik0: any way to make them smaller?
[04:36] <frank> crimsun: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:462:(snd_seq_hw_open) SNDRV_SEQ_IOCTL_PVERSION failed: Invalid argument is what cedega gives me
[04:36] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, all of it
[04:37] <FeJaOr> I'm having an error trying to install ubuntu on the GRUB that says "Unable to Install grub in(HD0)...Executing 'Grub_Install (Hd0)' Failed"
[04:37] <Xgates> punkrockguy318, oh I dont need to do that I just want to get rid of stuff like Raid, ssh, LVM, apm, atd, etc...
[04:37] <Xgates> crap like that I dont need
[04:37] <saik0> amonkey, sadly no, they are either huge or invisible
[04:37] <punkrockguy318> oh
[04:37] <FeJaOr> and can't get it installed because of that....anyone with any idea on what's wrong or how should I install grub in order to boot with either linux or windows??
[04:37] <amonkey> saik0: buggerall, but this is a huge step up from none at all. profuse thanks
[04:38] <Xgates> punkrockguy318: I'll just go through Synaptic and pick through it
[04:38] <Xgates> hehe
[04:38] <Xgates> thanks
[04:38] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, okay
[04:38] <spiderworm> is there a noatun mp3 plugin?
[04:38] <epicenter> Should I compile wine for AMD64 Hoary, or can I install it from a repository? ...
[04:38] <epicenter> will it even COMPILE?
[04:39] <saik0> amonkey, ya, I mostly use it for movie trailers so I dont mind
[04:39] <yachar> epicenter: I believe there's a wine version in the repository... and compiling it is a pain
[04:39] <amonkey> is it possible to run multiple video cards with hoary? i found some generic xorg instructions, but nothing ubuntu specific.
[04:39] <frank> epicenter: I think you need a chroot to run anything with wine
[04:39] <crimsun> frank: ok, I'm not familiar with that one, and nothing's turning up in mantis
[04:39] <epicenter> frank: what about the binaries?f
[04:39] <frank> epicenter: wine is not at all in the AMD 64 repository
[04:39] <epicenter> arggghhhh
[04:40] <Xgates> punkrockguy318, oh btw ubuntu-desktop isnt installed on my box I just saw it in Synaptic as not installed
[04:40] <frank> crimsun: what's mantis?
[04:40] <punkrockguy318> Xgates, hmm.. interesting.. you must have removed something from it
[04:40] <andrewski> is there any way to get the GTK SVG engine in ubuntu i'm hearing so much about?
[04:40] <crimsun> frank: it's ALSA's bug tracking system
[04:40] <punkrockguy318> bedtime
[04:40] <epicenter> Would it be smarter for me to just go back to 32-bit? :P
[04:40] <Xgates> punkrockguy318, hmm I did remove some of apci and the apmd stuff
[04:40] <frank> crimsun ko
[04:40] <epicenter> 32-bit was a lot slower. But, I can at least know more stuff will run.
[04:41] <Xgates> sheesh just to remove the FTP CLI client it wants to uninstall ubuntu-base with it
[04:41] <Xgates> now thats a BIT extreme for one teenie tiny app
[04:41] <Xgates> LOL
[04:41] <holycow> *sigh* i hate decomissioning 1ghz types of systems, they are still awfully usefull
[04:41] <FeJaOr> anoyone that can help me with my grub problem??
[04:41] <epicenter> I can't run the game I Develop for in 64-bit and I can't run WINE to EMULATE it either!
[04:41] <dazed|> my computer has been locking up more and more frequently ever since i upgraded to warty ...i did memtest86+ and nothing...anyone have any ideas?
[04:41] <epicenter> Should I just go to 32-bit? :P
[04:41] <holycow> i hope i can find a mobo that works with a thunderbird cpu
[04:41] <andrewski> Xgates: it's just a dummy package.  [shrug] 
[04:42] <maxxist> Hey all.
[04:42] <crimsun> epicenter: fix your game to work in 64-bit :)
[04:42] <geneo93> ubuntu-base isn't needed
[04:42] <amonkey> since i upgraded to hoary (via apt-get) all my folders look like files (the icons). anyone know why?
[04:42] <frank> crimsun: would uninstalling alsa, esd, oss then installing alsa again help?
[04:42] <crimsun> frank: no
[04:42] <maxxist> I just moved from FC3 to ubuntu and have a quick question about my highpoint 370 raid 0 setup.
[04:42] <holycow> dazed|, i just ran into a gateway machine that would freeze on random portions of the install, turns out the ram is good but one of the capacitors seems to be leaking
[04:42] <epicenter> crimsun: You mean "Entirely rewrite the game"
[04:42] <Xgates> is D-BUS really needed?
[04:42] <crimsun> Xgates: yes.
[04:42] <holycow> so i had to ditch the mobo ... you might want to check too
[04:42] <Xgates> andrewski, ok
[04:42] <crimsun> epicenter: yes
[04:42] <Xgates> crimsun, ok
[04:43] <Ex-Cyber> are those of us who want 3D acceleration with free drivers going to have to miss the PCI Express train for a couple years or what?
[04:43] <dazed|> holycow: any way to fix?
[04:43] <epicenter> epicenter: the devleoper gave me a 32-bit build. But, it can't run. It doesn't find libsdl or libGL. They are there and were found by the 64-bit version......
[04:43] <epicenter> er
[04:43] <epicenter> crimsun:
[04:43] <maxxist> Hoary detected my EXT3 partitions from FC3 and I told it to add the mount points but I cant access them.
[04:43] <maxxist> for some reason they are owned by 500 and 501
[04:43] <holycow> dazed|, if it actually is a capacitor, there is nothing you can do but replace mobo... i'm just suggesting to check something that most of the time we forget to check when debugging, it may turn out that the capacitors are fine
[04:44] <crimsun> epicenter: I don't think libsdl1.2-dev is installed by default
[04:44] <epicenter> crimsun: Why wouldn't LibGL work?
[04:44] <crimsun> epicenter: nor xlibmesa-gl-dev
[04:44] <silikon> hey folks, i'm looking for an answer to an installation problem on two 120GB Maxtor's (SATA)...
[04:44] <epicenter> crimsun: All GL apps run great and the 64-bit version runs fine until it looks for a file and crashes due to 32-bit string pointers
[04:44] <crimsun> argh, </3 apps that aren't 64-bit safe
[04:44] <epicenter> So why wouldn't it find the files in the 32-bit app?
[04:45] <epicenter> </3 apps?
[04:45] <spiderworm> no response on the noatun mp3 plugin?  is there one?
[04:45] <crimsun> epicenter: (I don't love apps)
[04:45] <epicenter> broken heart. gotcha.
[04:45] <epicenter> Crimsun: Do I just need ot get it 32-bit library files?
[04:45] <epicenter> Like install nVidia's 32-bit driver package?
[04:45] <dazed|> holycow: how wouldi go about checking if its a capcitor
[04:45] <maxxist> I tried to chown the mount point but it doesnt change.
[04:46] <Xgates> I swithced over my linux-image to the one for K7 so if I remove the kernel-header-2.5.999.... and install --- linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7 will the system still be ok?
[04:46] <crimsun> epicenter: hmm, that's a good question. I don't know if our packages contain ia32 like the latest Debian Sid ones do.
[04:46] <Xgates> I know some distros can get touchy changing headers
[04:46] <silikon> the install just stops at partioning - it'll write the partition table and die and setting up the filesystem (ext3)... any ideas?
[04:46] <drspin> where can I put a series of commands I want to be run everytime the comp starts up?
[04:46] <epicenter> How nightmarish is it to compile Wine in AMD64? .... is this going to be a big enough nightmare that I should just scrap AMD64 and go back to i386 for a long while? :P
[04:47] <epicenter> I'd hate to lose the amazing performance I am getting.
[04:47] <epicenter> and I don't want to switch back to XP everytime I work on Quake.
[04:47] <maxxist> I think i have noticed a nice improvement in performance since switching.
[04:48] <frank> epicenter: a chroot is doable, that's what I have
[04:48] <holycow> epicenter, do you run any ogl stuff under wine? maybe try vmware and install a full xp if you don't?
[04:48] <silikon> is this the wrong channel for install help?
[04:48] <frank> epicenter: I have the 32bit nvidia driver in the chroot
[04:48] <epicenter> vmware seems painful.
[04:48] <epicenter> frank: is Chroot hard to set up?
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> epicenter, it works ok
[04:48] <epicenter> I just want to compile a working version of this Quake engine, that's all :(
[04:48] <drspin> holycow: vmware is very easy bt it doesn't support 3D Hardware.... didn't at least...
[04:48] <yachar> little gcc question... which version is the official Ubuntu supported one ? 3.0 ? 3.2 ? [snip]  ? 4.0 ?
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> installing is a biach
[04:48] <daniels> yachar: 3.4, i think
[04:49] <yachar> daniels: ok, thanks
[04:49] <frank> epicenter: it took me a while to figure everything out but you can pretty much follow the instructions
[04:49] <amonkey> all my folder icons look like the file icon now that i've upgraded to hoary, anyone know why?
[04:49] <epicenter> what is CHrooting actually DOING?
[04:49] <spiderworm> can i just ask, can anybody see what i type in here?  nobody has ever responded to anything i've ever typed in this channel when using this IRC client so I'm starting to wonder...
[04:49] <geppy> I can't edit breezygoals;  is there somewhere else that I could post about the clipboard daemon?
[04:50] <Seq> spiderworm: i can see
[04:50] <amonkey> spiderworm: no
[04:50] <SiRrUs> spiderworm yes so can I
[04:50] <frank> epicenter: it sets up a minimal 32bit ubuntu intstallation in a folder
[04:50] <spiderworm> lol ok good
[04:50] <holycow> spiderworm, no your invisible
[04:50] <holycow> >_>
[04:50] <holycow> hehe
[04:50] <spiderworm> heh well sometimes you just gotta know
[04:50] <frank> epicenter: programs run in the chroot think theyre on a 32 bit processor
[04:50] <epicenter> frank: What would I use it to do? Just compile stuff? Or do I have to run things there too?
[04:50] <frank> epicenter: you run programs there
[04:51] <silikon> spiderworm, I can see you as well...
[04:51] <silikon> sounds like you're getting as much out of this channel as me...
[04:51] <epicenter> frank: Wouldn't I need an obscene amount of stuff there? Like almost every lib on my machine? :P
[04:51] <frank> epicenter: I run World of Warcraft through cedega in the chroot
[04:51] <yachar> this ubuntu thing is really cool ^_^
[04:51] <spiderworm> ok thanx guys, i know my messages are seen...
[04:51] <spiderworm> silikon: lol
[04:51] <goldfish> :
[04:51] <goldfish> hehe
[04:51] <frank> epicenter: alot of libs yeah. maybe not an option if storage is an issue
[04:51] <EricNeon> what name the next ubuntu release is?
[04:52] <epicenter> frank: I have about 12 gb fre
[04:52] <epicenter> e
[04:52] <silikon> i've been running freebsd since 4.3 - but wanted to run linux on my latest computer and of course ATI doesn't support BSD...
[04:52] <spiderworm> freddy the goldfish i think
[04:52] <epicenter> frank: is there a good guide on doing it?
[04:52] <goldfish> REALLY?
[04:52] <goldfish> ubuntu is going to be named after me?
[04:52] <spiderworm> no not really calm down
[04:52] <spiderworm> im full of crap
[04:52] <goldfish> :)
[04:52] <silikon> so far every linux distro i've tried hangs on writing the filesystem @ partition time... yet windows (ech) and BSD had no problem with it...
[04:52] <goldfish> I know.
[04:52] <drspin> LOL spiderworm goldfish
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> hey, i don't remember that being in the Lion king
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:53] <frank> epicenter: yeah http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:53] <spiderworm> silikon: wow thats bad luck.  thats NEVER happened to me and i've been through redhat, mandrake, debian, fedora, and now ubuntu
[04:54] <Chaotic_Reality> Can anyone take a look at this?  http://www.pastebin.com/269833  my laptop randomly shuts down after inactivity and am not sure why. am not sure if it's something in the OS that's causing it, if it's over heating, etc. Not sure where to look - I copied parts of my /var/log/messages if someone wants to take a look and has any input.
[04:54] <silikon> is there a limit to partition sizes with ext3 or something?  it's got to be something fairly obvious...
[04:54] <EricNeon> jdub, what name the next ubuntu release is?
[04:54] <yachar> naming distros is a waste of time. You developpers should fix the huge number of bugs crippling your software. I mean, really.
[04:54] <niran> EricNeon, breezy badger
[04:54] <spiderworm> yachar: ouch.  how much time do you think they REALLY spend naming the next release, geez
[04:54] <WhiteRabbit> anyone had any trouble with ubuntu 5.04.i386 & a Audigy 2 snd card? (not playing any sound at all.)
[04:54] <spiderworm> how much debugging could you expect in 5 mins?
[04:54] <frank> silikon: I doubt thats the problem
[04:54] <yachar> spiderworm: just kidding ;)
[04:55] <crimsun> yachar: thanks, and what bugs did you help close for Warty and Hoary? ;)
[04:55] <spiderworm> oh lol
[04:55] <spiderworm> lol
[04:55] <EricNeon> niranwhere is the breezy badger apt sources?
[04:55] <amonkey> saik0: is there a way to be able to have totem be open and have it be open in mozilla as well? it trys to take over [reviously opened totem windows
[04:55] <crimsun> EricNeon: they are nonexistent for at least another couple weeks.
[04:55] <yachar> crimsun: actually, none. I've just switched to Ubuntu
[04:55] <crimsun> yachar: :)
[04:56] <flodine> next week suse is going rock the world
[04:56] <flodine> holla
[04:56] <silikon> i've tried manually setting the partitions as well as auto... same thing happens...
[04:56] <flodine> bill gates is going to be mad
[04:56] <silikon> is it a SATA issue with the installer?  the installer sees the drives as SCSI...
[04:56] <vessuvius81> Has anyone gotten wireless working with the dell truemobile 1180? The guide says ndiswrapper will work... but I'm looking for a guide that will walk me through
[04:57] <Fackamato> silikon: it's supposed to be like that
[04:57] <yachar> nah, bothering devs with bug reports... what a strange idea. They already have so much work
[04:57] <silikon> that's what a though...
[04:57] <FeJaOr> anyone that can help me with a GRUB Installation problem?? Please msg me
[04:57] <epicenter> frank: it'd be nice if this guide explained what any of the steps do. It just give me a list of shit for me to take blindly on faith.
[04:58] <silikon> it dies at "Creating ext file system for / in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)..."
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> look at my site.... it is pretty easy http://mgalug.org/book/view/133
[04:58] <silikon> the progress bar doesn't move, and there is no hd activity...
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> wireless that is
[04:59] <Fackamato> How do I add a shortcut to a gnome terminal, which does "ssh 192.x.x.x" ?
[04:59] <silikon> is there a debug or log screen somewhere in the installer i can access to see why it's dying?
[04:59] <FeJaOr> I'm having a problem with the installation of GRUB in the process of installing UBUNTU....anyone that can help me??
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius81, also look at this http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/04/pohletz_ndiswrapper.html
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> i know its not ubuntu, but the directions are well written
[05:00] <vessuvius81> thnx nomasteryoda, I'll check it out :)
[05:00] <QMario> Why is the username box grayed out when I try to login into my Linux server from my Window client over the network?
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> my Dell D505 had same prob
[05:00] <yachar> FeJaOr: I think the best way to get help is to explain your problem :)
[05:00] <hybrid> hello all
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius81, but... but... but you will need to turn off speedstep in the bios ... at least I had to
[05:00] <epicenter> frank: how long's it usually take to reinstall all these packages into /chroot/?
[05:00] <yachar> hi
[05:00] <FeJaOr> well let me explain my problem yachar
[05:00] <epicenter> It looks like it's duplicating my hwole install
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> otherwise you get strange lockups
[05:01] <FeJaOr> I start installing UBUNTU in a partition I created with partition magic
[05:01] <hybrid> hey nomasteryoda long time no see
[05:01] <FeJaOr> everything is normal until the point that I tried to install grub
[05:01] <FeJaOr> I select the partition where ubuntu is gonna be to be ext3
[05:01] <dazed|> i think i have narrowed down a possibility that only when my eth0 is being _abused_ then my comp seems to lock up to the point where i have to manually restart...any one see anything like this?
[05:01] <maxxist> fixed my raid issue.
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> hey hybrid
[05:01] <frank> epicenter: yeah its useful to figure out approximateley what it does to gain some trust in it
[05:02] <johnnybezak> hey guys a general non-ubuntu specific question
[05:02] <FeJaOr> once I get to the part of installing GRUB, this error shows: "Unable to install GRUB IN (HD0)...Executing 'GRUB_INSTALL(HD0)' Failed"
[05:02] <maxxist> ubuntu kicks.  I just made a complete switch from FC3 in less than an hour.
[05:02] <frank> epicenter: The install has to download everything all over again. So yits nice to have a fast connection
[05:02] <epicenter> frank: 5 megabit cable
[05:02] <maxxist> without loosing all my data
[05:02] <FeJaOr> anyidea on what's wrong??
[05:02] <hybrid> maxxist congrats
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> dazed|, what driver are you using?
[05:02] <epicenter> frank: I know it's a fake copy of all my libs and such, 32-bit equivalents, I'll install packages under
[05:03] <maxxist> thanks.
[05:03] <johnnybezak> ive got a dir full of subdirs full of photos, i want to find files based on name say "bob" so I type ls -R dir/ | grep bob
[05:03] <silikon> when i look @ the partitions using Ranish (ultimate boot cd) it looks like they are there...
[05:03] <epicenter> frank: i hope when  I compile something though, that it won't do something stupid and use 64-bit stuff anyway
[05:03] <johnnybezak> now i want to be able to view the images with bob in the title any ideas?
[05:03] <frank> The two are pretty damn independant
[05:03] <yachar> FeJaOr: it may be a MBR problem. Don't know if BIOS protection would do something like this...
[05:03] <dazed|> nomasteryoda, for my eth0? none i believe it was configed out of the box
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:03] <FeJaOr> what can I do to fix it?
[05:04] <etzerd> hello room
[05:04] <frank> When you 'go in the chroot'   the root directory becomes the /chroot or whatever from outside
[05:04] <crimsun> ok, off to break my muine install with mono 1.1.6 packages.
[05:04] <FeJaOr> I can't install GRUB in order to boot either Linux or Windows....
[05:04] <etzerd> Guys I took my hat off for Ubuntu.
[05:04] <yachar> FeJaOr: unfortunately I'm quite a newbie, but you could try to see if there's something in your BIOS such as Virus protection for the MBR
[05:05] <FeJaOr> all right
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> johnnybezak, look for nat freidman's site www.nat.org ... you need a good image thumbnailer like they are making
[05:05] <vessuvius81> nomasteryoda, do I use ndiswrapper-utils instead of ndiswrapper?
[05:05] <Reblended> gasp.. virus protection for linux? nooo
[05:05] <dazed|> nomasteryoda, is tehre a way to check?
[05:05] <FeJaOr> shall I unselect the virus protection?
[05:05] <yachar> etzerd: yes, everybody has a nude head here ;)
[05:05] <etzerd> I have been trying to install Debian since this morning by 10:AM, untill now I cannot install that stupid distro
[05:05] <vessuvius81> And should I use the latest sourceforge? or the old one in the debian repos
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius81, i just installed the ndiswrapper
[05:05] <yachar> FeJaOr: you should try. But don't trust me too hard ;)
[05:05] <FeJaOr> all right
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> and ran the command
[05:05] <FeJaOr> Ill try it
[05:06] <vessuvius81> nomasteryoda... from sourceforge?
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:06] <vessuvius81> or with apt
[05:06] <vessuvius81> ok
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> but it should be in apt
[05:06] <johnnybezak> nomasternyoda: but couldnt i just use something like feh to open the list of files that grep has sorted through?
[05:06] <etzerd> yachar: are you ever install that stupid debian?
[05:06] <FeJaOr> anyway, if I install LILO, i'm still not able to access windows...only ubuntu cause on the loading screen it reads "LILO (VERSION)...UBUNTU" without giving me any chance to select which OS I want to run
[05:06] <frank> epicenter: you have to deal with details sometimes though. For example I installed java in the chroot and a script checked the architecture and I had to fool that script
[05:06] <vessuvius81> doesn't show up for me in the repos... and I have marillat, etc added
[05:07] <yachar> etzerd: actually, I have installed a dozens since 5 or 6 years...
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> johnnybezak, sure
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> feh is nice
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius81, i don't see it either
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> just download, compile and install
[05:07] <imperfect-> Is it normal for me to be seeing kernel messages about my CPU running above the temperature threshold?
[05:07] <nullaresnata> Hello, I was trying to use the utf8migration tool, but it gives me an error at the end, when it comes to rename the files in utf8.
[05:07] <johnnybezak> now the million dollar question, how?
[05:07] <epicenter> frank: It keeps failing to configure the packages it's installing and I have to keep running it over and over again .. I think this will continue forever.
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> './figure make && make install
[05:07] <imperfect-> And does ubuntu take steps to deal with it?
[05:07] <nullaresnata> Anyone has an idea about this?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> ./configure
[05:07] <frank> what does?
[05:08] <epicenter> frank: same packages over and over...........
[05:08] <vessuvius81> ok I'll try that
[05:08] <etzerd> yachar: everytime I'm finish installing the OS it cannot load the X-window the system do not recognize my video card which is an ATI 128MG RAM
[05:08] <yachar> don't Ubuntu include the /proc/config.gz thing ?
[05:08] <FeJaOr> anyway, if I install LILO, i'm still not able to access windows...only ubuntu cause on the loading screen it reads "LILO (VERSION)...UBUNTU" without giving me any chance to select which OS I want to run
[05:08] <etzerd> Which Ubuntu recognize easily
[05:08] <FeJaOr> anyone that know about this issue??
[05:09] <etzerd> I have no problem at all installing Ubuntu, but Debian is so hard.
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> sounds like you need to manually tweak grub
[05:09] <etzerd> What is so good about Debian anyway. Can anybody tell me
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> freedom
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> packages
[05:09] <yachar> etzerd: I'm now ranking as XF86Config expert thanks to Debian :)
[05:09] <imperfect-> etzerd: apt-get is pretty straight forward ;)
[05:09] <silikon> fejaor, i can't even get it to write a filesystem to my drives...
[05:10] <propagandhi> FeJa0r - u need to set the LILO delay
[05:10] <holycow> etzerd, you are installing woody.  the problem isn't with debian its the woody installer that requires you to manually pick the drivers.
[05:10] <nullaresnata> Hello, I was trying to use the utf8migration tool, but it gives me an error at the end, when it comes to rename the files in utf8.
[05:10] <nullaresnata> Anyone has an idea about this?
[05:10] <FeJaOr> how do I set LILO delay??
[05:10] <holycow> etzerd, if you donload the d-i installer for sarge, its the exact same installer ubuntu uses
[05:10] <etzerd> I download the sarge 3.1
[05:10] <holycow> etzerd, therefore, you are basically using the wrong version, mostly as a result of debian being so huge and not really knowing what info to search for
[05:10] <etzerd> same garbage
[05:11] <holycow> lol etzerd
[05:11] <holycow> its the same installer
[05:11] <holycow> exact
[05:11] <holycow> nothing is different except the repository
[05:11] <holycow> what problem did you run into?
[05:11] <propagandhi> find lilo.conf
[05:11] <etzerd> I install Ubuntu easily with no problem what so ever
[05:11] <FeJaOr> ok
[05:11] <FeJaOr> once I got that....then what?
[05:11] <holycow> etzerd, what problem did you have on debian? it sounds like you don't actually know what you are doing, and blaming it on debian
[05:12] <propagandhi> and in that file there is a parameter for delay
[05:12] <etzerd> Debian can't even recognized my keyboad, which is a Microsoft wireless, which Ubuntu have no problem to recognize at all
[05:12] <crimsun> great, muine works on mono 1.1.6, but I can't tell because I'm running it over a ssh tunnel
[05:12] <propagandhi> just set it to 50 or so - its in tenths of seconds
[05:12] <maxxist> The only problem I had with Hoary install was my own dumbness.  Wow is all I can say.  I even have an SMP kernel running now.
[05:12] <holycow> etzerd, lol, *cough* bullshit *cough* no offense dude, it's the same installer and same drivers
[05:12] <etzerd> first. Keyboard not recongnize
[05:12] <propagandhi> so, its up to u how long u want the delay
[05:12] <FeJaOr> ok...that'll fix my problem of booting?? that'll give me the chance to select which OS I wanna run??
[05:12] <maxxist> synaptic is kick ass.
[05:13] <gumpish> Is there any GUI tool for configuring services?
[05:13] <etzerd> second, at end of installation it detect VESA as my Videocard which is an ATI
[05:13] <vessuvius81> nomasteryoda, should I use the debian package or the latest release?
[05:13] <propagandhi> it'll give u a chance to select it, as long as its configured right, u should be fine
[05:13] <vessuvius81> both are available
[05:13] <holycow> etzerd, so? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree and you select the right one
[05:13] <yachar> etzerd: in X or console ?
[05:13] <holycow> thats your fault not debians
[05:13] <FeJaOr> all right....ill tryit
[05:13] <etzerd> third when I selet ATI after the system boot up it give me error X-server cannot be loaded
[05:13] <FeJaOr> thanx
[05:13] <hybrid> i apt-get installed xfce but then when i went to login it was not a option under session. how do i start xcfe?
[05:13] <etzerd> which I do not have with ubuntu
[05:13] <propagandhi> no worries
[05:14] <imperfect-> Hrm
[05:14] <imperfect-> I didn't have any nvidia driver stuff installed
[05:14] <imperfect-> maybe that's why
[05:14] <holycow> etzerd, thats because there is a module that ends up being loaded up before your driver, you haveto add it to the driver blacklist
[05:14] <holycow> thats why it chose vesa by default
[05:14] <holycow> in other words its correct
[05:14] <holycow> please stop complaining about the tool, and learn how to use it first
[05:14] <holycow> you just look foolish
[05:14] <yachar> Debian is really great, it's just not made to be installed twice a week (actually, installing an OS twice a week is stupid)
[05:14] <etzerd> at the console when I type "Startx" it give me a fatal error occur
[05:15] <imperfect-> Hey
[05:15] <imperfect-> I've got a question
[05:15] <holycow> etzerd, just go away, and go use windows
[05:15] <imperfect-> How do I find the bus identifier for my video card if it's PCI Express?
[05:15] <holycow> people like you should be using linux
[05:15] <imperfect-> lspci?
[05:15] <etzerd> My problem is how come Ubuntu is loaded my xserver with no question ask
[05:15] <holycow> if you can't get debian working, you really should be using windows
[05:15] <imperfect-> holycow: debian is a pain in the ass.
[05:15] <imperfect-> holycow: and I"m pretty proficient.
[05:15] <holycow> imperfect-, it's not
[05:15] <etzerd> and Debian I have to specify every single thing manually?
[05:16] <holycow> i've installed debian now 500 times
[05:16] <holycow> its super easy
[05:16] <imperfect-> holycow: the key being 500 times, you don't even hear yourself speaking.
[05:16] <etzerd> be nich holycow
[05:16] <dave_infoseeker> problems with sound in horay .. . .no /dsp but all modules are loaded
[05:16] <hybrid> holycow: no super easy iss mandrake
[05:16] <holycow> etzerd, no, you just don't have a clue about what you are doing, and preffer to complain about it here instead of google
[05:16] <hybrid> ubuntu wasnt bad
[05:16] <Reblended> holycow you install it on school computers?
[05:16] <imperfect-> holycow: if you can't do it after 500 times you need a brain transplant.
[05:16] <yachar> holycow: everything is easy when you know how to do it. When you come to it the first time, that's not so easy
[05:16] <Reblended> yachar, I haven't done it, and it looks easy
[05:16] <holycow> imperfect-, did you even read what i wrote? go away until you learn to
[05:16] <dave_infoseeker> anyone know how to fix sound problems in hoary?
[05:17] <imperfect-> holycow: i read what you wrote, and it smacked of annyoing highschool kid.
[05:17] <etzerd> I complain about it here because I know some of you have used it before so it is easy for me to get help from you
[05:17] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: shoot.
[05:17] <Reblended> lol imperfect
[05:17] <imperfect-> holycow: So i was trying to impart some wisdom.
[05:17] <silikon> i'm just about out of ideas on this filesystem set-up...
[05:17] <yachar> Reblended: I've done it several times, it's doable, but not as easy as Ubuntu is. Some will find it hard, some not
[05:17] <dave_infoseeker> my sound worked great under 4.10
[05:17] <dave_infoseeker> using au8820 card
[05:17] <imperfect-> dave_infoseeker : it probably still does ;)
[05:17] <holycow> yachar, fine, at least come at it with an open mind and learn, users complaining about their lack of ability to google and blaming it on a toolset that is absolutely fantastic by any measure is poor form and is deserving of a roast
[05:17] <hybrid> i apt-get installed xfce but then when i went to login it was not a option under session. how do i start xcfe?
[05:17] <JaZy15> can someone help me with samba, on my linux machine everything works fine. however on my windows pc when i try to open my share (on linux pc) i get a u/p window. when i input a u/p that's on my linux machine nothing happens.
[05:17] <dave_infoseeker> but now I got no /dev/dsp
[05:18] <dave_infoseeker> or mixer
[05:18] <JaZy15> xfce4
[05:18] <crimsun> hybrid: bzzt. apt-get install xfce4
[05:18] <JaZy15> starts it
[05:18] <etzerd> Anyway guys I will hang with Ubuntu since it works fine for me. thanks
[05:18] <imperfect-> dave_infoseeker : hrm, what's DMESG say if you modprobe for it?
[05:18] <hybrid> crisun: thnx
[05:18] <dave_infoseeker> I hacked on it all day googleing  .. .
[05:18] <dave_infoseeker> modprobe au8820
[05:18] <dave_infoseeker> says nothing
[05:18] <holycow> etzerd, next time you complain about debian, be prepared for some nasty commentary if i'm around
[05:18] <holycow> etzerd, if you have critique about debian it ought to be well researched before comment
[05:18] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: paste the output of the following onto http://pastebin.com: lsmod, lspci -v, amixer, dmesg, cat /proc/asound/modules, cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:18] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: wrong module.
[05:19] <silikon> could it have something to do with SMART being enable in BIOS?
[05:19] <yachar> holycow: you're right, complainers are useless and irritating. There's no bad tool but only bad users... but some tools are easier than others
[05:19] <dave_infoseeker> au8820 card
[05:19] <dave_infoseeker> Im sure
[05:19] <dave_infoseeker> I tried building the driver directly into the kernel as well
[05:19] <etzerd> holycow: don't get me wrong, I did my research about Debian. I heard it is one of the best distro.
[05:19] <dave_infoseeker> but that didnt work
[05:19] <dave_infoseeker> posting now
[05:19] <etzerd> at the same time I learn it is not that easy to install
[05:19] <yachar> anyway, distro flames are totally useless, especially between Ubuntu and Debian brothers ;)
[05:19] <imperfect-> anyone know if i can get a PCI Express info from lspci ?
[05:20] <etzerd> I believe the Ubuntu installation is the same like Debian.
[05:20] <ells> tritium: MIke, what is up man
[05:20] <crimsun> imperfect-: I certainly hope so...
[05:20] <holycow> yachar, sorry mate i'm awfully protective of debian, they do hard work, any commentary on their work that is effectively wrong, and is the users fault shall be made clearly aware of their mistake
[05:20] <holycow> it's not acceptable, that team does amazing work
[05:20] <imperfect-> crimsun: I just didn't know if there was another command for the Express line..
[05:20] <tritium> ells, Hi Steve.  Not much.  You?
[05:20] <ells> does anyone know if ati cards work well in linux
[05:20] <ells> tritium: not alot man
[05:20] <geneo93> CHILDREN tired of being harrassed by your parents ACT NOW move out , get a job , pay all your own bills While you still know everything
[05:20] <etzerd> My question is? why after the end of the installation it drop to console first and when I type startx it give me an error
[05:20] <imperfect-> cimrsun: Trying to figure out how to convert it to what xord config wants..
[05:20] <ells> tritium: do you know much about video cards
[05:21] <holycow> etzerd, it couldn't load the driver
[05:21] <etzerd> that is all I'm tried to figure out not criticized Debian, holycow
[05:21] <tritium> ells, yes.  Well, nVidia, not ATI.
[05:21] <crimsun> imperfect-: Nvidia?
[05:21] <imperfect-> crimsun: Yes.
[05:21] <imperfect-> cimrsun: 6600GT
[05:21] <imperfect-> er crimsun
[05:21] <seven_six_two> ells, they work, but not all that well. blame ati for shoddy drivers
[05:21] <crimsun> imperfect-: shouldn't need to do anything extra. Just make sure you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:21] <holycow> etzerd, one thing i ran into with nvidia driver on this mobo is that there is a driver that gets loaded by default, and even if everythign is correct your driver won't load and throw that error
[05:21] <Reblended> geneo93 your order is a little messy
[05:21] <ells> tritium: yeah, just trying to see what I really should be looking for, the ram or clock speed
[05:21] <imperfect-> crimsun: I just apt-got everything that looked relevant
[05:21] <ells> tritium: that and the manufacturer
[05:22] <tritium> ells, you mean you're considering purchasing one?
[05:22] <etzerd> now By Default Debian select VESA as my VGA drive where I have an ATI
[05:22] <imperfect-> I just can't get it to native resolution for this monitor -- which has been an issue with other distro's
[05:22] <yachar> holycow: I totally agree with you, Debian guys are great, for their work and their philosophy. Let's celebrate Debian people.
[05:22] <Aps> hey will adding the debian repositories to my apt-sources and using the debian repositories cause any problems?
[05:22] <etzerd> should I select the default?
[05:22] <yachar> Let's dance guys !
[05:22] <etzerd> VESA instead of ATI?
[05:22] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun there is no /proc/asound/modules
[05:22] <holycow> etzerd, let me see if i have my old blacklist file, i might be able to point it out
[05:22] <crimsun> Aps: yes.
[05:22] <tritium> Aps, not advisable
[05:22] <imperfect-> For whatever reason the stock freq config as specified by ViewSonic goes out of range when X tries to use it
[05:22] <ells> tritium: yeah, I got the onboard video on my desktop I built
[05:22] <holycow> yachar, absolutely :)
[05:22] <imperfect-> I live 20 minutes from Ian
[05:22] <crimsun> Aps: I mean, feel free to stab both eyes out if you want, but don't say we didn't warn ya.
[05:22] <imperfect-> Should I go light a candle in his drive way?
[05:22] <geneo93> imperfect-:  all you need is nvidia-glx
[05:22] <yachar> Aps: it will cause unsolvable problems. Even if it's tentating, forget it
[05:23] <imperfect-> geneo93 : Yeah, That's installed
[05:23] <etzerd> I'm going to reinstall it again one more time for the day and see what happened
[05:23] <Aps> so what would be the best way of getting stuff that is not in the Ubuntu sources
[05:23] <propagandhi> there'd be no logical reason to add the debian sources anyway
[05:23] <etzerd> because this is the first distro that I run into problem
[05:23] <yachar> Aps: if you know what you're doing (IE no upgrade or dist-upgrade) you can use some packages from Debian repositories (i'm doing it for amule for example), but that's quite limited
[05:23] <tritium> Aps, be sure you include universe and multiverse - nearly all Debian packages will then be available
[05:24] <etzerd> holycow: one more thing what should I do for the Keyboard error I keep on getting
[05:24] <seven_six_two> Aps, you could go find the src and build it yourself
[05:24] <geneo93> imperfect-:  did you enable glx
[05:24] <etzerd> even I select the right keyboard?
[05:24] <propagandhi> download and build stuff urself if u want/need it
[05:24] <Aps> universe and multiverse?
[05:24] <seven_six_two> go punk rocker
[05:24] <chopper> why amsn doesn't work on ubuntu??? gui:gnome
[05:24] <Xgates> how can I disable the services in --> /etc/init.d/
[05:24] <Xgates> ?
[05:24] <seven_six_two> >>  propagandhi
[05:25] <imperfect-> geneo93 : I did when I reconfigured xorg
[05:25] <imperfect-> geneo93 : But it was enabled by default
[05:25] <silikon> i disabled SMART, and it didn't make any difference - still dies at creating the filesystem...
[05:25] <eyequeue> Xgates:  man update-rc.d
[05:25] <silikon> it's a asus p4p-800 mobo...
[05:25] <Xgates> eyequeue, ok thanks
[05:25] <imperfect-> geneo93 : Although I did notice that no xorg.conf exists in /etc/X11
[05:25] <goldfish> chmod -x ?
[05:25] <imperfect-> wonder what that means...
[05:25] <imperfect-> ;)
[05:25] <geneo93> imperfect-:  no its not
[05:25] <vessuvius81> When I try to modprobe ndiswrapper, I get "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"  Anyone have any ideas?
[05:25] <yachar> eyequeue: no high level (understand : GUI) tool for update-rc.d
[05:26] <yachar> ?
[05:26] <vessuvius81> I have ndiswrapper -l and my driver shows up ok
[05:26] <silikon> might have to stick with FreeBSD and live without ATI support...
[05:26] <imperfect-> geneo93 : It was for me..
[05:26] <vessuvius81> driver present, hardware present
[05:26] <eyequeue> yachar:  what need?
[05:26] <imperfect-> geneo93 : GLcore wasn't nor was v4l, but everything else was starred.
[05:26] <Xgates> eyequeue, is there a GUI FE to update-rc.d?
[05:26] <crimsun> Xgates: nope
[05:26] <yachar> eyequeue: the question is not if it's needed, but if it exists :)
[05:26] <eyequeue> Xgates:  i doubt it
[05:26] <Xgates> k
[05:26] <propagandhi> Xgates - Webmin
[05:26] <imperfect-> geneo93 : using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:26] <crimsun> vessuvius81: need sudo
[05:26] <Xgates> Mr Webmin again
[05:26] <Xgates> :p
[05:27] <eyequeue> yachar:  all it would add is confusion
[05:27] <vessuvius81> crimsun, I ran sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:27] <imperfect-> geneo93 : Do I need fb ?
[05:27] <holycow> etzerd, the blacklist is in /etc/hotplug  *hmmm* i don't have the module that is being loaded up unfortunately  i think its called rivafb ... google for that and xserver problems, that might help
[05:27] <geneo93> imperfect-:  what kernel you trying to use
[05:27] <crimsun> vessuvius81: lsmod|grep ^ndiswrapper
[05:27] <Xgates> propagandhi, webmin is in Ubuntu?
[05:27] <yachar> eyequeue: that's a point of view
[05:27] <propagandhi> no www.webmin.com
[05:27] <Xgates> yes the URL and app I know
[05:27] <Xgates> :-)
[05:27] <eyequeue> yachar:  okay, bloat then
[05:27] <geneo93> no
[05:27] <imperfect-> geneo93: 2.6.10 stock smp
[05:28] <imperfect-> geneo93 : nothing i've fooled w/
[05:28] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: ok, is the rest posted?
[05:28] <kevogod> I don't smell good. Can Ubuntu cure this?
[05:28] <crimsun> kevogod: yes. Use Ubuntu to Google for soap + shower.
[05:28] <holycow> etzerd, for the keyboard thing, the keyboard module isn't being loaded up, you are using a wired keyboard to complete the install i guess?   if so unfortunately i can only suggest to google for the right drive so you can modprobe module i guess?
[05:28] <yachar> lol
[05:28] <kevogod> crimsum: thanks
[05:28] <vessuvius81> nothin showed up, crimsun :-/
[05:28] <hmart> Hi, I have a *silly* question
[05:28] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun just about
[05:28] <geneo93> mine works just fine here imperfect-
[05:28] <propagandhi> yes, it will build ur brain cells enough to give u the insight to wash urself and use deoderant
[05:29] <imperfect-> geneo93 : with or without fb?
[05:29] <holycow> etzerd, i'm actually surprised ubuntu is loading it up by default to be honest
[05:29] <imperfect-> geneo93 : and i can get it to work just in 1280x1024
[05:29] <geneo93> smp also
[05:29] <imperfect-> I need 1600x1200
[05:29] <drspin> is there any way i can disable the output of the firewall(assuming iptables) from going to dmesg??
[05:29] <hmart> can i update ubuntu from debian repositories? say Woody
[05:29] <epicenter> Could someone please explain to me how I could chroot from a 64-bit Ubuntu partition to a 32-bit ubuntu partition to run 32-bit only software?
[05:29] <geneo93> without
[05:29] <yachar> that's a really silly question
[05:29] <hmart> im a newbie
[05:29] <RastaMahata> simple answer: no
[05:29] <yachar> epicenter: I bet suicide is an easier option
[05:30] <geneo93> hmart:  hehe
[05:30] <goldfish> yachar: LOL
[05:30] <chopper> how can i start as a root???
[05:30] <holycow> etzerd, there are a few other things that can bring you to command line if you don't select the right things during install
[05:30] <kevogod> Suicide has its downsides
[05:30] <imperfect-> geneo93 : Is yours PCI Express?
[05:30] <epicenter> yachar: That bad?
[05:30] <geneo93> woody is so old
[05:30] <kevogod> such as "you" die
[05:30] <vessuvius81> any ideas, crimsun?
[05:30] <drspin> chopper: for what purpose?
[05:30] <chopper> when i try to start from the gnome start panel i can't!
[05:30] <chopper> i need to install a few things as a root
[05:31] <crimsun> vessuvius81: sorry, I don't, not much in the way of ndiswrapper. Have you tried the wiki?
[05:31] <drspin> chopper -- use Synaptic
[05:31] <br33zy> hi
[05:31] <geneo93> no mine is 8x agp
[05:31] <drspin> or if you need to use sudo on the sommand line
[05:31] <yachar> epicenter: ask yourself... am I a sane person when I'm trying to chroot 32-bit apps in a 64-bit environment running over a 32/64-bit CPU ?
[05:31] <silikon> the filesystem creation process doesn't move an inch...
[05:31] <br33zy> anybody have big spaces between their lines in open office?
[05:31] <Xgates> man I suck with man pages always have at getting 100% how to do something
[05:31] <Xgates> LOL
[05:31] <chopper> but they'll install as the usr that i'm using
[05:31] <vessuvius81> yeah, its no help really... points me to sourceforge... whose instructions I followed up until I got this error
[05:31] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun ok its posted up there
[05:31] <Aps> what card are you trying to get to work with ndiswrapper?
[05:31] <vessuvius81> you say it looks like a permissions problem though?
[05:31] <odyssey> br33zy, maybe you have more than one line spacing?
[05:32] <imperfect-> Anyone know how I can convert the PCI address from lspci to what xorg.conf wants?
[05:32] <br33zy> odyssey, no
[05:32] <yachar> epicenter: sorry but as you may have noticed, I won't be of any help on this one...
[05:32] <br33zy> odyssey, it's single spaced but there ar ethese outrageous spaces between every single line
[05:32] <br33zy> odyssey, it's ridiculuous
[05:32] <chopper> whois drspin
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> what repositories should i have for hoary?
[05:33] <Xgates> so for like lvm -->  update-rc.d -n lvm stop NN runlevel runlevel  for runlevel I'm not sure exactly you'd use
[05:33] <Xgates> hmm
[05:33] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun you see it there?
[05:33] <br33zy> odyssey, nevermind, it was the paragraph spacing, i just solved in #openoffice.org
[05:33] <Xgates> I'm so use to just commenting out the scripts by hand in Slack I never got into the runlevel numbers
[05:33] <Xgates> hehe
[05:33] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: ouch. You really need a newer version of ALSA.
[05:33] <dave_infoseeker> hehe
[05:34] <dave_infoseeker> its just what came with hoary
[05:34] <Reblended> br33zy what's the solution?
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: is there a "update" hoary repository seperate from main and security?
[05:34] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: 1.0.6 includes an old version of the Vortex driver, which caused it to oops your kernel when you booted.
[05:34] <imperfect-> Has anyone seen OOo 2?
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: someone was saying so the other night
[05:34] <dave_infoseeker> ok so get the new one?
[05:34] <holycow> imperfect-, i have, its amazing
[05:34] <yachar> imperfect-: 1.9 something, yes
[05:34] <tritium> imperfect-, yes, it's available
[05:34] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: do you have the universe repo enabled?
[05:34] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: there's a hoary-updates, yes
[05:34] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun lemme see
[05:35] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: should i have that?
[05:35] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: because i don't
[05:35] <imperfect-> holycow: I heard simple things like a new icon theme make it look more professional
[05:35] <tritium> imperfect-, apt-cache search openoffice.org2
[05:35] <yachar> holycow: what is so amazing ?
[05:35] <imperfect-> tritium: im having other issues, but thanks once i get X working ;)
[05:35] <holycow> imperfect-, its a huge jump
[05:35] <imperfect-> OKay... Check this out
[05:35] <tritium> imperfect-, nvidia issues?
[05:35] <holycow> yachar, well for one, it starts up in reasonable amount of time
[05:35] <imperfect-> tritium : X issues..
[05:35] <imperfect-> tritium : It's saying i can't find the device at PCIBus ID 1:0:0
[05:35] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: it's not in the default sources.list for a reason :)
[05:35] <freeflying> #ubuntu-zh
[05:36] <drspin> I just got the oddest SPAM message in my GMAIL
[05:36] <holycow> secondly it has something like ms access for creating simple db, but can interface with any db like postgres, mysql, etc. lots of potential there
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ah, someone said it should be default :)
[05:36] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun yup got universe repo
[05:36] <imperfect-> But in the config file it's configured to look at PCI:0:1:0
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: are we talking "breezy backports" = updates or just more general updates?
[05:36] <drspin> It's from another GMAIL account...
[05:36] <imperfect-> So I don't even know where it's getting that info
[05:36] <yachar> holycow: that's really amazing for such a software
[05:36] <holycow> gui is improved, its very slick and "professional looking"
[05:36] <imperfect-> and it says it's using the config file I"m looking at
[05:36] <holycow> yachar, imho *nod*
[05:36] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: excellent, now sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[05:36] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: don't know at all.
[05:37] <holycow> yachar, the list of features implemented and bugs fixed is huge too
[05:37] <yachar> holycow: what about the Java everywhere thing ?
[05:37] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun I installed my own kernel will that be ok?
[05:37] <holycow> basically oo.o is so huge now i don't think most people will use 10% of it *shrug* lol :)
[05:37] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: err...that will complicate things...
[05:37] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: which version?
[05:37] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: thanks
[05:37] <dave_infoseeker> 2.6.11
[05:38] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: do you still have configured kernel source?
[05:38] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: (i.e., you didn't erase it)
[05:38] <holycow> yachar, i don't have any ethical problems with java,  yeah they use it extensively appearently but i understand its mostly for the oo database app to interface with various db's cleanely and universally
[05:38] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun you mean the .config for my running kernel?
[05:38] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: I mean the entire kernel source tree
[05:38] <imperfect-> great
[05:38] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: the one in which you compiled your kernel and modules
[05:38] <imperfect-> now it's telling me nvidia-glx is not found
[05:38] <dave_infoseeker> yes I got it for my running kernel
[05:39] <imperfect-> yet apt-get says it's installed and at the latest version..
[05:39] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: ok, good, as long as you didn't modify it after you compiled
[05:39] <yachar> holycow: is it possible to have it running (for the Impress, Writer, and Calc basic features) without Java installed ?
[05:39] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: in that case you need build-essential and alsa-source
[05:39] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun ya its all good
[05:39] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: done?
[05:40] <imperfect-> bah
[05:40] <imperfect-> okay
[05:40] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun getting it now
[05:40] <imperfect-> im done for tonight
[05:40] <yachar> holycow: I've just seen there's electronic signature for documents added... cool. And nested tables ! that's _really_ cool
[05:40] <imperfect-> goodnight all
[05:40] <Ironfrost> In Ubuntu/Gnome, how easy is it to add right-click menu options for files
[05:40] <crimsun> need to grab a drink, brb
[05:40] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun ok got it
[05:40] <Ironfrost> for example, onto an MP3 the option "play in XMMS"; "Queue in XMMS"?
[05:40] <holycow> yachar, yep, and tables now 'spill over' onto multiple pages if they are too large
[05:40] <yachar> goodnight imperfect-
[05:41] <Markrian> Ironfrost, as far as I know, not easy
[05:41] <yachar> holycow: hmm... ok. That's perhaps worth trying
[05:41] <adamZ> Ironfrost: hm, well I know you can add xmms to the applications that open the file, but that wouldn't help you with the "queue" bit
[05:41] <Markrian> as in you'd have to code your own plugin
[05:42] <hondje> I have samba 3 running on Sarge. When I try to connect using nautilus to my smb share, I get the error ""homes" couldn't be found. Perhaps it has recently been deleted." in Nautilus, but I can see the share and mount it with smbfs just fine. Any ideas?
[05:42] <yachar> holycow: and multi-panes view ? I'm beginning to understand what you call amazing :)
[05:42] <Ironfrost> bah
[05:42] <feldux> has anyone with a davicom (dmfe module) ethernet card had luck with hoary?
[05:43] <holycow> yachar, i gotta tell ya, it will revolutionize how we work
[05:43] <yachar> holycow: is there Ubuntu or Debian packages of 2.0 Beta somewhere ?
[05:43] <holycow> yachar, the drawing dealy is super powerfull too imho
[05:43] <pune> hey, does anyone know where I can find drivers for my pocket pc?
[05:43] <holycow> yachar, no, there is a debian instruction set for isntalling on debian, don't think anyone packaged it for ubuntu (if it actually needs ubuntu packaging)
[05:43] <yachar> holycow: do you mean the drawing app ? or drawing in general (in Writer or Impress)
[05:43] <Xgates> ok for --> /etc/rcS.d/S26lvm ---> update-rc.d lvm stop NN ??
[05:43] <Xgates> hmm
[05:44] <Xgates> to stop that service?
[05:44] <Krys^^> is there a program in ubuntu that resembles quicktime? so I can play quicktime files from websites?
[05:44] <holycow> yachar, oo.o has a drawing application geared toward office users to draw diagrams and charts and things like that
[05:44] <yachar> holycow: ok
[05:44] <feldux> Krys - xine or mplayer should play most of the files
[05:44] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun you there?
[05:44] <Xgates> holycow: you know how to run update-rc.d to stop a service?
[05:45] <Xgates> Im not sure the runlevels to pick
[05:45] <Krys^^> feldux, well, an example: on the apple.com website.. looking at the views of the ibook.. i gotta be able to play it within the browser..
[05:45] <holycow> Xgates, i just do /etc/ini.d/service stop
[05:45] <holycow> or restart or whatever
[05:45] <Krys^^> preferably firefox..
[05:45] <Xgates> holycow, ok let me try thanls
[05:45] <Xgates> thanks
[05:46] <feldux> firefox has a mplayer plugin that's supposed to allow that
[05:46] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: yep, had to grab a drink, but I'm back now
[05:46] <Krys^^> hmmmmm.. i wonder why it wouldn't work then
[05:46] <feldux> should be available in synaptic if you don't have it already
[05:46] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun ok im good to go got the source
[05:46] <chillywilly> I like the new look on the website
[05:46] <yachar> holycow: is the tar.gz package a RPM thing, like they did it for 1.9 ?
[05:46] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun already untarred it
[05:46] <dave_infoseeker> its in /usr/src
[05:46] <holycow> yachar, no i thought it was a deb thing, but cant remember
[05:46] <dave_infoseeker> made  a dir called modules
[05:47] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: yep, now sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[05:47] <holycow> yachar, i tried on a winders machine >_>
[05:47] <yachar> holycow: you didn't use alien to convert it ? don't remember ?
[05:47] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: say No to PnP, Yes to debug, and choose the au8820 driver
[05:47] <Krys^^> i'll try
[05:47] <yachar> holycow: :s
[05:47] <holycow> yachar, lol no i run winders under wine here so lol
[05:47] <holycow> heh, and another fine ubuntu install
[05:48] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun ok
[05:48] <holycow> this time on a dell 400 mhz system that i dread throwing away
[05:48] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun now what?
[05:48] <yachar> great, 900 kB/s downloading it with bittorrent
[05:48] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: cd modules/alsa-driver
[05:48] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun ok
[05:48] <hybrid> with xfce it says i can have kde campatability. does this mena i can run kde apps like for say konquer?
[05:49] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: sudo ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build KVERS=$(uname -r)
[05:49] <hybrid> ***mena=mean
[05:49] <yachar> does anyone know how to switch to the cfq scheduler for hda disk ? (default kernel)
[05:49] <feldux> Has anyone else had problems with Davicom ethernet cards and hoary?
[05:50] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun ok problem
[05:50] <yachar> holycow: still RPM crap... let's try alien
[05:50] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun you have build-in ALSA in the kernel
[05:51] <jordanau> just installed ubuntu on Dell inspiron 8100, perfect install
[05:51] <dave_infoseeker> I guess I need to switch it back to module?
[05:51] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun or should I pull it out all together?
[05:52] <holycow> jordanau, dell dimension v400
[05:52] <holycow> 83 megs of ram loaded up on default
[05:52] <holycow> really nice
[05:52] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: it's best if you compile alsa as modules
[05:52] <holycow> just need a faster hd and system should be fine and spiffy
[05:52] <yachar> holycow: it's not numbered 2.0 beta, but 1.9.79. And guess what ? There are 1.9.79.2 packages in the universe repository :)
[05:52] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: if you're using a newer kernel, I highly recommend you use 2.6.12-rc2 or newer
[05:52] <holycow> yachar, you are kidding?
[05:53] <holycow> lol!
[05:53] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun ok Ill recompile my kernel with alsa as modules only
[05:53] <yachar> holycow: not at all
[05:53] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun then rerun ./debian/rules . . .
[05:53] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: better to just grab 2.6.12-rc2 and do that
[05:53] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: then you can skip the whole alsa-source step
[05:53] <dave_infoseeker> humm
[05:53] <crimsun> since 2.6.12-rc2 contains the latest ALSA
[05:54] <yachar> holycow: you should apt-get --purge remove wine ;)
[05:54] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun rc???
[05:54] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: yep
[05:54] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: :) ok
[05:54] <yachar> kernel question : any way to get the .config used for the default Ubuntu kernel ?
[05:55] <dave_infoseeker> yarchar: try the boot directory
[05:55] <yachar> dave_infoseeker: indeed... it's in there :) thanks
[05:56] <yachar> I thought they would have enabled the config.gz option for /proc/config.gz
[05:56] <Seven_Six_Two> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[05:57] <nullaresnata> Hello, does anyone here knows something about utf8 character encoding?
[05:57] <blahrus> crimsun: you around nwo?
[05:57] <blahrus> now*
[05:57] <blahrus> crimsun: ping?
[05:58] <crimsun> blahrus: sup?
[05:58] <TommyKLG> hi. i still consider the hoary's boot process to be slow. how would you speed it up a bit?
[05:58] <Rene_S> Hmm, I dont get this, in fstab I set rw,exec,user,auto  when I boot up it says rw,noexec,nosuid .. and I cant run anything off my second hd even though I set the exec setting... I am confused .
[05:59] <yachar> TobyK: buy a faster CPU ?
[05:59] <TommyKLG> that's a solution i guess. can't be the only one though... :-)
[05:59] <holycow> TommyKLG, someone in another chan suggested switching out sysv boot stuff for runit
[05:59] <Dreamer3_> ok
[06:00] <Dreamer3_> what packages has msf fonts?
[06:00] <TommyKLG> holycow, i wish i knew what you meant!
[06:00] <blahrus> crimsun: I had 1 other issues with my box
[06:00] <blahrus> crimsun: ALL players that pay xvid and mp3 the sound gets off, and totem is just all around very laggy
[06:01] <blahrus> play*
[06:01] <frank> channel is quieter now...
[06:01] <yachar> TobyK: apt-cache show runit ?
[06:01] <holycow> TommyKLG, http://smarden.sunsite.dk/runit/
[06:01] <Dreamer3_> where are microsoft fonts at in hoary?
[06:01] <holycow> i've never tried it my self but will soon
[06:01] <holycow> my friend has his laptop booting in 7 seconds appearently
[06:01] <frank> crimsun: Thanks alot for your help a while ago. I hope I'll be able to figure out a solution
[06:01] <holycow> without even having linuxbios installed
[06:01] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: ok without getting the rc kernel I rebuilt my kernel and run the ./debian/rules . . .
[06:01] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: ok.
[06:02] <ells> holycow: how is that possible
[06:02] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: but you don't need to run debian/rules
[06:02] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: so now what?
[06:02] <Dreamer3_> holycow: how so?
[06:02] <TommyKLG> sounds good
[06:02] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: I dont?
[06:02] <Dreamer3_> holycow: oh, with diff init system?
[06:02] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: you told me to :)
[06:02] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: 2.6.11 includes the version of alsa you would have tried.
[06:02] <holycow> ells i don't know actually, thats what he claims, i'm gonna try and see my self, appearently runit exists in debian repos
[06:02] <Dreamer3_> holycow: a lot is possible if you switch to a diff init system
[06:02] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: that's why I suggested you try 2.6.12-rc2
[06:02] <pune> hello does anyone know where I can find linux drivers for my pocket pc?
[06:02] <yachar> I bet I won't lose this su habit very soon
[06:02] <WW> Dreamer3_: The package msttcorefonts  installs Micosoft fonts.
[06:03] <ells> holycow: doing this, he must not boot up some items
[06:03] <holycow> Dreamer3_, *nod* what i basically got was that runit is more modern than sysv in various ways but the biggest thing is it starts stuff simultaneously
[06:03] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: because 2.6.11.6 has the version that alsa-source in Hoary/universe has
[06:03] <Dreamer3_> WW: ah, it's in multiverse evidentaly
[06:03] <holycow> ells perhaps *nod*
[06:03] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: whereas 2.6.12-rc2's is newer
[06:03] <ells> holycow: the biggest lag in mine is when booting up the wifi
[06:03] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: ahh ok I thought that the alsa-source package was newer
[06:03] <Dreamer3_> holycow: yeah, makes errors a little harder to spot, but yep that's the concept
[06:04] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: so my only option is to go to 12rc2?
[06:04] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: it's newer than what's available in the default Hoary kernel, yes, but not newer than what you're running.
[06:04] <ells> tritium: MIke, how fast does your laptop boot up
[06:04] <holycow> ells, i haven't sat down and looked at my boot process, no time, but i'm sure a lot can be done
[06:04] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: no, that's just one option.
[06:04] <yachar> okay, let's try this runit thing. Hope I'll be back someday
[06:04] <crimsun> frank: np, g'luck
[06:04] <tritium> ells, I haven't timed it, but probably around 20 seconds into gdm
[06:04] <ells> holycow, yeap, would agree
[06:04] <holycow> Dreamer3_, hehe :) i've been paying attention to the linuxbios and open bios projects... i would love to have a mobo with a linux bios
[06:04] <blahrus> crimsun: sorry to bug you, any ideas? I have tired all things I can think of
[06:04] <ells> tritium: does yours lag on wifi
[06:04] <crimsun> blahrus: have you tried killing esd and using alsa directly?
[06:04] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i mean it's linux... there's no reason you can't popup a login almost IMMEDIATELY (on most boxes)
[06:04] <tritium> ells, no, works well
[06:05] <blahrus> crimsun: with totem?
[06:05] <ells> tritium: it lags when it comes to the network interfaces
[06:05] <crimsun> blahrus: mplayer, vlc, totem-xine, ...
[06:05] <Dreamer3_> holycow: couldn't you just flash over the regular bios for the right board?
[06:05] <holycow> Dreamer3_, linuxbios appearently is supposed to do just that, test quickly hardware profile and dump to kernel.  obviously some stuff will take time to get running tho
[06:05] <crimsun> blahrus: afaik totem uses gstreamer, which would be configured to use esd
[06:05] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: ok so my next step is to get 12rc2?
[06:05] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: yep.
[06:06] <holycow> Dreamer3_, support for various chipsets is obviously not equal so ... tyan is moving to all linux bios however
[06:06] <crimsun> blahrus: but not totem-xine
[06:06] <holycow> tyans president stated that last year in an interview i should have it in backups somewhere
[06:06] <dave_infoseeker> crimsun: something is wrong in 2.6.11.6 ALSO?
[06:06] <blahrus> crimsun: yea, but it does the same thing with mplayer for amd64 and vlc
[06:06] <dave_infoseeker> ALSA?
[06:06] <ells> tritium: any idea of how I can accelerate my boot up
[06:06] <holycow> oh this hardware data thingie is cool!
[06:06] <crimsun> dave_infoseeker: yes, that's the version you're running. And it exploded, if you look at your dmesg.
[06:06] <Dreamer3_> holycow: with linux you must start the kernel... then run init... at that point you can display a login (it'd have to be from ramdisk since we assume disks's aren't mounted if the login is the FIRST thing)
[06:07] <tritium> ells, not beyond what Hoary already does.  That's about the fastest booting distro.
[06:07] <holycow> ubuntu collects the info eh? i love that I'll try get as much data uploaded as i can
[06:07] <crimsun> holycow: yep, ogra did an excellent job.
[06:07] <Dreamer3_> holycow: but if you replace the init system seriously you can get to a login VERY fast
[06:07] <ells> tritium: cool
[06:07] <Rene_S> anyone happen to know why setting exec in fstab will not allow you to execute files from the hd you set it on ?
[06:08] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i have better things to do as i never reboot my boxes even my laptop hardly even
[06:08] <holycow> Dreamer3_, lol actually thats a problem they were having, the bloody hd's wouldn't spin up before they were ready to dump to kernel, i don't know what their solution was, boot kernel over network or flash as you said? something like that
[06:08] <Dreamer3_> holycow: 1 horu to start would be terrible, but a minute *shrugs*
[06:08] <holycow> crimsun, ogra did that? i shall haveto mention a few kudos to him/her :)
[06:08] <crimsun> blahrus: hmm!
[06:08] <crimsun> holycow: him, yes.
[06:08] <holycow> Dreamer3_, lol! hehe :)
[06:08] <Dreamer3_> holycow: now the kernel and base system should really be IN the bios ;-)
[06:09] <blahrus> crimsun: yea its been logic also
[06:09] <blahrus> hmm!
[06:09] <holycow> crimsun, sometimes you never know, i noticed a female name on the email thingy on the ubuntu bugtracker thingy so gotta be diplomatic :)
[06:09] <Dreamer3_> holycow: where is the microkernel when you need one? :)
[06:09] <holycow> Dreamer3_, lol haha now your dreaming :)
[06:09] <crimsun> holycow: yeah, but /whois ogra ;)  And he's one of our lead MOTUs.
[06:09] <holycow> Dreamer3_, actually funnyt you say that ... the hurd move to l4 or l3 or whatever it is ...
[06:10] <holycow> Dreamer3_, i think the hurd guys are finally on the right track, their kernel will eventually let us do exaclty that i think
[06:10] <Dreamer3_> holycow: yeah, that's the idea :)
[06:10] <Dreamer3_> holycow: why shouldn't i be able to boot to a login prompt and do something useful from the BIOS with NO disks even? :)
[06:10] <holycow> Dreamer3_, i agree absolutely
[06:11] <ells> does anyone know if they are ever going to make a program like dvd shrink for linux
[06:11] <Dreamer3_> holycow:  or with a crapped disk... why not use the bios as a recovery console? ;-)
[06:11] <holycow> Dreamer3_, lol well now you are talking about putting a whole bunch of stuff in the bios :) a few purists may object
[06:12] <dazed|> any run fluxbox with their ubuntu?
[06:12] <holycow> i get where you are going with it, hardware based os could be cool until its time to update the kernel
[06:12] <dazed|> anyone*
[06:12] <holycow> hehe :)
[06:12] <crimsun> dazed|: I have
[06:12] <geneo93> vidio-dvd rip does that fine
[06:12] <propagandhi> who was asking about AMSN before
[06:13] <goldfish> Chopper.
[06:13] <crimsun> 23:24 < chopper> why amsn doesn't work on ubuntu??? gui:gnome
[06:13] <yachar> well... this runit thing is just as slow as the SysV one
[06:13] <Dreamer3_> holycow: "hardware based os" *laughs* what do you think we have today?
[06:13] <dazed|> crimsun: well everytime i start flux...it starts off with gnomes default theme , and i have to goto the theme manager and it changes immediately any way to get it to start off with the theme i want?
[06:13] <holycow> i can't tell you how impressive gnome2.10 and ubntu are overall, still after having run the latest hoary for over a week
[06:13] <alkirk> evening
[06:14] <holycow> i am amazed how incredible a desktop you have when you take the unix way and polish the rought edges
[06:14] <goldfish> hmmmmm
[06:14] <crimsun> dazed|: hmm? I haven't had that problem...
[06:14] <blahrus> crimsun: is there a way in vlc to set to esd, looks like it set to OSS
[06:14] <yachar> morning
[06:14] <Dreamer3_> holycow: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Systems/IDE_CF_Mini_ITX_System
[06:14] <crimsun> dazed|: do you mean you want the theme you had under gnome?
[06:14] <holycow> Dreamer3_, lol
[06:14] <holycow> wanna see something beyond cool?
[06:14] <holycow> ...sec ...
[06:14] <dazed|> well under gnome it starts off with it
[06:14] <ells> does anyone know if they are ever going to make a program like dvd shrink for linux
[06:14] <dazed|> but under fluxbox i have to click theme manager and it changes immediately without me even selecting the theme i want
[06:14] <goldfish> hmmmmm
[06:15] <dazed|> crimsun: ** ^ whoops lol
[06:15] <crimsun> dazed|: hmm, nope, I haven't had that problem.
[06:15] <dazed|> damn
[06:15] <Ironfrost> is there any MSN client for Linux that will allow to use a webcam?
[06:15] <holycow> http://applieddata.net/products_bitsyX.asp  <-- the dev platform for this comes with either wince preinstalled on a microdrive or DEBIAN preinstalled ona microdrive
[06:15] <holycow> Dreamer3_, how flippin cool is that?
[06:15] <yachar> Ironfrost: I believe there's a gaim fork including webcam support, but I don't know if it's usable
[06:15] <Dreamer3_> holycow: microdrives have moving parts, overrated ;-)
[06:15] <goldfish> ells: http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/single/
[06:16] <holycow> at 500mhz xscale cpu, you should be able to run a decent deskto on there, my only requirement is minimum of 256 megs ram
[06:16] <Ironfrost> hmm
[06:16] <ells> goldfish, will check that out
[06:16] <Ironfrost> will the normal client run under Wine?
[06:16] <holycow> Dreamer3_, yes but it is DEBIAN afterall, you will eat 4 gigs in no time
[06:16] <holycow> hehe
[06:16] <jldugger> holycow, you talking about gumstix?
[06:16] <gumpish> Jesus. One might expect one of the results on the first page of a google search for "kernel arguments" to contain some manner of enumeration of valid kernel args. One would be incorrect.
[06:16] <crimsun> blahrus: I don't think you want that.
[06:16] <crimsun> blahrus: That will _add_ latency.
[06:16] <holycow> jldugger, i've not seen debian on that yet :)
[06:17] <ells> goldfish: I think I have seen it before. It wont let you use the copied dvds on your home player ,right?
[06:17] <jldugger> holycow, coure not, they've only got like 64M storage
[06:17] <WW> gumpish: "kernel arguments"... 2.4 vs. 2.6, etc?
[06:17] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i guess i like mini-itx because i'm familiar with the PC platform :)
[06:17] <goldfish> ells: dunno, that's a different thing alotogether
[06:17] <gumpish> either. the first result is some slideshow slide in some eastern bloc language.
[06:17] <_phate_> paulproteus, I figured out what the issue was: I can't use the kernel framebuffer for my GF2
[06:17] <jldugger> ive consdidered em, but without a reliable driver for LCD screens, seems pointless
[06:17] <gumpish> as bono would say, this is fucking brilliant.
[06:17] <goldfish> emmm
[06:17] <ells> goldfish: yeah, that is what dvd shrink allows you to do.
[06:18] <goldfish> ells: ah right, sorry.
[06:18] <ells> goldfish: you can shrink an iso
[06:18] <goldfish> gumpish: bono says that? :)
[06:18] <ells> goldfish: then copy it in k3b
[06:18] <goldfish> ells: ahhhh cool
[06:18] <holycow> Dreamer3_, yeah mini itx is a very specific niche, too small imho, i would maybe go somewhere in between that and the bitsyx and do something like this:
[06:18] <ells> goldfish: only issue is that dvdshrink does not work properly for  me in wine
[06:18] <goldfish> oh right
[06:19] <alkirk> Evening everyone ( in the western hemisphere)
[06:19] <saik0> so I've been checking out xfce4, and I think I like it, alot...
[06:19] <propagandhi> u can run dvdshrink under linux, but u have to do the final burn with k3b or similar
[06:19] <goldfish> xfce4 is sweet
[06:19] <Dreamer3_> holycow: see... the idea of a keyboard, mouse, 19" LCD, usable system and 0 noise is very appealing :)
[06:19] <holycow> http://www.tri-m.com/products/engineering/tmz104.html  -- something like that
[06:20] <holycow> Dreamer3_, hehe yeah *nod*
[06:20] <Dreamer3_> holycow: and i've since seem how terrible easy it is to run X applications remotely... so i don't know why i'd need a powerful desktop... i coudl connect out for "heavy lifting"
[06:20] <saik0> is there a way to make XFCE look more like my GNOME configuration. Mainly being able to move the xfce panel to the top, and making it stretch across
[06:20] <Dreamer3_> holycow: of course local storage is the only cavaet there
[06:20] <crimsun> saik0: yes, change the placement of it.
[06:20] <crimsun> saik0: in Settings
[06:21] <saik0> crimsun, there is no placement menu in the panel settings =\
[06:21] <crimsun> saik0: huh?
[06:21] <crimsun> saik0: have you tried just dragging the thing to the top?
[06:22] <crimsun> grasp an edge and drag
[06:22] <saik0> crimsun, wow I did'nt expect it to be that intuitive (however thats spelled) I like it
[06:22] <holycow> Dreamer3_, yeah it was an eye opener to me too
[06:22] <blahrus> crimsun: can I just PM you error I got from vlc/
[06:22] <blahrus> ?
[06:22] <holycow> Dreamer3_, you know, for something that is almost 30 years old, the x protocol REALLY was designed right
[06:23] <saik0> crimsun, now how does one make it stretch across the screen?
[06:23] <holycow> it just was not developed fast enough around
[06:23] <holycow> Dreamer3_, my idea right now is to use either a bitsyx or the tmz104 for a thick pda kinda dealy, and in the office or home or over net run remote x, exactly what you said
[06:23] <crimsun> blahrus: sure
[06:24] <crimsun> saik0: that I don't know offhand, because I'm in gnome atm
[06:25] <saik0> too bad, google is'nt helping
[06:26] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i'm trying to think of how to stop dragging my laptop back and forth to work
[06:26] <holycow> Dreamer3_, on a side note, i also love how you can just take a debian hd around and plug it into any machine and 9/10 times it basically works (except xfree/xorg doesn't reconfigure it self but thats easy enough)
[06:26] <holycow> Dreamer3_, you just need a semi powerfull pda with linux on it, unfortunately right now you haveto build your own, all the shit on the market is non customizeable, or if it is, the specs are all wrong
[06:26] <Dreamer3_> holycow: windows does that too x/10 times where x>5 but <10 in my experience :)
[06:27] <yachar> I just love this cpufreq thing
[06:27] <Dreamer3_> holycow: of course you need x reboots where x<20 and >3 :)
[06:27] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i'm not so sure
[06:27] <holycow> Dreamer3_, 98 requires 40 reboots for drivers, win2k will bluescreen indefinately and xp will ask for reregistration :)
[06:27] <holycow> in otherwords 1/10 imho
[06:27] <holycow> haha
[06:27] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i've had better luck than you :)
[06:27] <EvilIdler> Is reboot a bad-word?
[06:27] <geneo93> holycow:  zarus pda
[06:28] <holycow> not enough ram geneo93 :/
[06:28] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i'm a developer, i don' think i need a pda
[06:28] <yachar> is reboot a shoe word ?
[06:28] <smouche> saik0: in xfce, as far as I can tell, no, you can't put the panel at the top -- only two choices, at the bottom or vertically on the right.
[06:28] <holycow> geneo93, i mean for my tastes anyway
[06:29] <saik0> smouche, I got it, drag-n-drop works =) now if I could only make it stretch
[06:29] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i think a good memory stick (1gig maybe) to carry mail, apps, etc... and then equivalently setup boxes at home and at work, but it seems sucky that the memory stick couldn't run some services, like imap for instance...
[06:29] <yachar> saik0 and smouche: that's true, the panel can't be placed on top of the screen
[06:29] <holycow> Dreamer3_, you needa pda that can run your dev environment and basically act as a thin client
[06:29] <geneo93> holycow:  what about cf drive
[06:29] <mak> good evening, can someone help me get my syndaemon working?
[06:29] <smouche> really, saik0?
[06:29] <holycow> geneo93, don't you get only so many rewrites with those?
[06:29] <speedy2782> I am not able to play cd's through any audio player
[06:29] <saik0> smouche, heh, you want a screenshot?
[06:30] <holycow> Dreamer3_, i just started using those *nod* not sure what issues come up with them yet
[06:30] <yachar> speedy2782: maybe you should press the play button ?
[06:30] <speedy2782> thanks
[06:30] <speedy2782> worked like a charm
[06:30] <yachar> okay guys, good night (6:30 am here, really time to sleep ;)
[06:30] <geneo93> holycow: sl-5500 works good
[06:30] <speedy2782> anybody, have any real advice
[06:30] <Seven_Six_Two> geneo93, look for gumstix
[06:30] <smouche> that's ok, saik0, I see what you mean (I'm switching sessions between xfce and kde)
[06:31] <mak> good night yachar
[06:31] <Seven_Six_Two> that would be your best bet
[06:31] <smouche> I'm annoyed that the smallest panel size is a too big for me in xfce, saik0...
[06:31] <nebulasray> is there an ubuntu help channel?
[06:31] <saik0> smouche, what resolution?
[06:32] <Dreamer3_> holycow: here is why i carry my laptop to work (similar environment: ubuntu/debian, archived mail (imap), dev evn (ruby, rails, php, apache) and source code, and gaim, buddy list, etc)
[06:32] <speedy2782> When I open xmms it shuts down immediatly
[06:32] <smouche> uh, 1280 by 800 ? something like that...
[06:32] <dave_infoseeker> nebulasray: whacya need?
[06:32] <EvilIdler> nebulasray: This is it
[06:32] <speedy2782> why would xmms shut down
[06:32] <holycow> Dreamer3_, neat! your a ruby on rails dev eh?
[06:33] <holycow> hehe :)
[06:33] <Seven_Six_Two> speedy2782, try running it from console to see if you get an error
[06:33] <speedy2782> I have reinstallled it and updated it
[06:33] <EvilIdler> speedy2782: Start it from a terminal and see if it shows any error messages
[06:33] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i developt with it, i haven't develped IT though i have contributed a few small patches
[06:33] <speedy2782> what is the command
[06:33] <Seven_Six_Two> xmms
[06:33] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin # xmms
[06:33] <speedy2782> Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[06:33] <speedy2782>   serial 221 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
[06:33] <Dreamer3_> holycow:  if i could find something usable i'd leave the laptop at home and get an ubuntu machine at work
[06:33] <holycow> Dreamer3_, i really think a clamshell type of palmtop would be ideal for that kinda thing, where you carry a foldout keyboard and mouse with you so when you are next to a moni, you just plug in moni to vga connect plug in kb and mouse and go
[06:33] <geneo93> xmms
[06:34] <Dreamer3_> holycow: i think having mail on the stick would be too slow though, maybe i need to look at a microdrive
[06:34] <nebulasray> my screen appears to shake... i've messed with the refresh rates already and that's not it... it only does it under ubuntu, i have xp and mandrake also and neither of them have this problem
[06:34] <holycow> Dreamer3_, *nod* its a good question, let me know what you come up with eventually, it's an important question
[06:34] <holycow> lots of people want a similar solution
[06:34] <speedy2782> what am I supposed to do with that errrors?
[06:34] <alkirk> Hmm... it's not working
[06:35] <Dreamer3_> holycow: see, i'd settle for a BOOK size that i could plug in to ethernet...
[06:35] <Dreamer3_> holycow: but i'd want it to run of BATTERY
[06:35] <Seven_Six_Two> Dreamer3_, have you seen Gumstix?
[06:35] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: no
[06:35] <jordanau> anyone using gdesklets?
[06:35] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: url?
[06:35] <saik0> jordanauyea, I am
[06:35] <Seven_Six_Two> www.gumstix.com
[06:36] <jordanau> saik0, do you have them blend in with your background?
[06:36] <smouche> Dreamer3_ - speaking of ruby, have you used Instiki on linux by any chance?
[06:36] <Seven_Six_Two> they can do bluetooth, wifi, lan...run on linux
[06:36] <Dreamer3_> smouche: no
[06:36] <saik0> jordanau, nope, to do that you need to enable composite rendering
[06:36] <mak> please, anyone? anyone familiar with syndaemon? Its for the synaptics touchpad
[06:36] <Seven_Six_Two> boot in 8 seconds or so
[06:36] <jochs> Is there any way to add Red Hat's icons and Bluecurve theme to ubuntu?
[06:36] <calamari> nebulasray: try ctrl-alt-+/-.. does it still shake in the different modes?
[06:36] <jordanau> saik0, guess i'll get on it then
[06:37] <holycow> Dreamer3_, i havent figured out the battery part yet :)
[06:37] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: what are they?
[06:37] <holycow> lol
[06:37] <nebulasray> calamari: yes
[06:37] <saik0> jordanau, I tried it, it looked nice but I couldnt watch videos in fullscreen
[06:37] <Seven_Six_Two> very small computers
[06:37] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: i'm looking at the site, reading
[06:37] <saik0> jordanau, there were some other issues I had as well
[06:37] <nebulasray> calamari: it's not an x issue, it does it even when x isn't running
[06:37] <Seven_Six_Two> Dreamer3_, they are tiny linux computers
[06:38] <calamari> nebulasray: weird.. I have no idea.. which video card do you have?
[06:38] <jochs> Is the hardware support on the install CD the same as the LiveCD? The LiveCD didn't recognize my RAID adapter. :(
[06:38] <Dreamer3_> i don't like their website
[06:38] <Dreamer3_> it's making me think too much
[06:38] <nebulasray> gforcefx 5600
[06:39] <calamari> anyone else here using that card?
[06:39] <speedy2782> http://pastebin.com/269869  Here is my error message from xmms.
[06:39] <Seven_Six_Two> not sure. i've never had a problem, but i usually use SuSe live dvd
[06:39] <xi> hi guys
[06:39] <speedy2782> what can I do to fix that. I am unable to play .m4a or even cd's
[06:40] <crimsun> speedy2782: why are you trying to open xmms as root?
[06:40] <crimsun> speedy2782: do it as your normal user
[06:40] <calamari> nebulasray: I'm not for sure, but from what I understand the live cd does video a little differently.. does it happen with the live cd?
[06:40] <nebulasray> calamari: i haven't tried
[06:41] <speedy2782> Crimsun: Same error
[06:41] <crimsun> speedy2782: please obtain an strace
[06:41] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: i'm not getting it yet
[06:41] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: i think they have too many products
[06:41] <Seven_Six_Two> they are very small computers with linux installed.
[06:42] <Seven_Six_Two> there is no monitor, you access it from a network
[06:42] <WMCoolmon> hey, does anyone know how to get alsa to auto-resample all sounds to 48khz for a given card?
[06:42] <speedy2782> Crimsun: what am I looking for?
[06:42] <nebulasray> calamari: i'll do that thanks
[06:42] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: yeah, but i need the etherstix right?
[06:42] <diego> in a gnome-terminal, i accidentally just cat'ed binary data. how can i get the thing to display ascii again? heh
[06:43] <Seven_Six_Two> it plugs in, and there are little cards for bluetooth and wifi
[06:43] <holycow> Seven_Six_Two, what do people use gumstix for?
[06:43] <Reblended> Seven, so, they're like drone ocmputers
[06:43] <diego> ah, nevermind. reset in the menu did the trick
[06:43] <holycow> i'm on their mailing list but havent read much in last 6 months
[06:43] <SuperQ> woot!
[06:43] <holycow> i wouldn't mind checking them out again
[06:43] <WMCoolmon> it looks like asoundrc will do it, but i don't really understand the syntax :-/
[06:44] <SuperQ> We gave out 40 some ubuntu CDs at the installfest today
[06:44] <speedy2782> crimsun: I ran strace -o xmms
[06:44] <speedy2782> what now
[06:44] <holycow> SuperLag, right on :)
[06:44] <Seven_Six_Two> yeah. there's holycow things like carrying a computer that can be access from a nearby computer
[06:44] <phateHALO> I have a Geforce2 Ultra with 64MB RAM is there a way to either enable 3d rendering with it or speed 3d rendering up if its already enabled?
[06:44] <Seven_Six_Two> http://www.gumstix.com/spexwaysmalls.html
[06:45] <Seven_Six_Two> or robotics
[06:45] <Seven_Six_Two> they will do ethernet if you buy one, usb is standard tho
[06:45] <Dreamer3_> brb
[06:45] <tomcat> OMG... new linux user here, and right now I've got an old windows drive in my system and I'm copying files over the network to a windows box to back everything up... and I've just discovered the coolest feature of linux - it CHECKS the free space available BEFORE it starts copying! YES! Finally! I'm so happy I could cry!
[06:46] <steveO_Laptop> Ok were can I find a good souce list at for kubuntu? want to update a few packages that are not listed
[06:46] <holycow> tomcat, rofl
[06:46] <yojimbo-san> wheee ... upgraded warty to hoary from CD, no problems (of course)
[06:47] <yojimbo-san> installed hoary clean onto an iMac, no problems
[06:47] <holycow> yojimbo-san, nice :) i havent done that yet
[06:47] <tomcat> I really am impressed! Oh the tyrany I've been living under!
[06:48] <holycow> tomcat, *high five*
[06:48] <holycow> wait till you go 'shit i haven't used ms in 6 months'
[06:48] <yojimbo-san> also got Mac-on-Linux working to 80% first try :-)
[06:48] <gardio1> Anyone seen the following error.   "File Image creation failed Incorrectly encoded string" when tryining to write to a DVD?
[06:48] <holycow> thats another good one :)
[06:48] <yojimbo-san> 'shit, I haven't used ms in 6 years' :-)
[06:48] <PacoBCN> gardio1, yes, I did
[06:49] <holycow> yojimbo-san, hehe :) i'm not quite there yet
[06:49] <holycow> for me its been oh, about ayear now?
[06:49] <gardio1> PacoBCN: did you solve it?
[06:49] <speedy2782> other than xmms, what are my options for m4a playback and cd playback
[06:49] <yojimbo-san> holycow: I use so many different machines that I don't ever get locked into one way of doing things =one application
[06:49] <PacoBCN> gardio1, I think I used another burner
[06:50] <gardio1> Do you remember which one?
[06:50] <yojimbo-san> so I can change desktop/os/whatever without too much oevrhead
[06:50] <PacoBCN> gardio1, if the problem was with graveman I used gnomebaker, or viceversa
[06:50] <holycow> yojimbo-san, yeah, it's a mind expanding experience *nod*
[06:50] <PacoBCN> gardio1, I don't remember exactly
[06:50] <holycow> brb pizza time
[06:50] <yojimbo-san> usually takes about a solid day of hacking to get a machine totally useable (although weeks and weeks of fun to really get under the skin)
[06:50] <mak> so.. anyone about the syndaemon? its telling i dont have SHMConfig is not on, but in my xorg.conf it is 'on'
[06:50] <gardio1> I was using the one nautilus uses.  I'll try gnomebaker or graveman.
[06:51] <yojimbo-san> In order to "just work", all I need is a browser, an IMAP mail cilent, ssh, and for maximum goodness, a version of Unison
[06:51] <PacoBCN> gardio1, but probably it's dued to some name problem
[06:51] <PacoBCN> gardio1, like windows filenames, etc.
[06:51] <yojimbo-san> xorg/Hoary is *so much faster* than xfree86/warty :-)
[06:52] <gardio1> I think it actually has to do with the fact it wants to create a CD image rather than a DVD image.
[06:52] <Myrtti> hum. Is there a copy of the official /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere?
[06:52] <geneo93> nite all
[06:52] <PacoBCN> gardio1, that would be weird
[06:52] <Myrtti> oh, and good morning everyone
[06:52] <gardio1> It doesn't seem to complain if I try to write 400megs.
[06:52] <PacoBCN> gardio1, I also found out that it has problems recording in partitions that aren't ext2/3
[06:52] <steveO_Laptop> Ok were can I find a good souce list for kubuntu? want to update a few packages that are not listed
[06:53] <blahrus> anyone know how to make vlc go full screen and not have the gnome bars?
[06:53] <yojimbo-san> that's enough optimism from me, I'm off get things done now.
[06:53] <SuperLag> holycow: say what what?
[06:53] <kkathman> greetings :)
[06:53] <gardio1> well, I'm using ext3 so that shouldn't be a problem.
[06:53] <kkathman> Can anyone tell me what to do to get ubuntu to boot to the command line and not X/Gnome/KDE?
[06:54] <Myrtti> kkathman: remove gdm/kdm/xdm
[06:54] <kdp> kkathman: in the grub set up, but the init level
[06:54] <Seven_Six_Two> add the option to grub
[06:55] <Seven_Six_Two> kevel 5 or 6
[06:55] <speedy2782> how do I get the ipod to stop flashing do not disconnect?
[06:55] <kkathman> kdp: well I checked the inittab and my default level is 2, and my system boots into KDE right now.. Im doing another box that will default to gnome
[06:55] <yojimbo-san> speedy2782: disconnect it? :-)
[06:55] <Shufla> hello :)
[06:55] <kdp> kkathman: wait...by grub setup i meant menu.lst
[06:55] <speedy2782> the ipod says "do not disconnect"
[06:55] <_phate_> is there a driver for the Geforce2 Ultra?
[06:55] <kkathman> kdp: so, which file do I edit ?
[06:55] <speedy2782> on windows, you unmount the drive and that goes away
[06:56] <speedy2782> on linux you unmount the drive and it doesn't change
[06:56] <Myrtti> _phate_: nvidia ones, yes
[06:56] <yojimbo-san> speedy2782: have you unmounted the ipod successfully?
[06:56] <_phate_> Myrtti, how do I get it?
[06:56] <kkathman> kdp: where is menu.lst??
[06:56] <saik0> uh-oh! I broke the xfce panel, how do I restart it?
[06:56] <kdp> kkathman: locate menu.lst
[06:56] <Shufla> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:57] <speedy2782> I clicked on the folder and clicked unmount
[06:57] <speedy2782> there is no ipod folder on my desktop now
[06:57] <yojimbo-san> from a terminal, type "df"
[06:57] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: i'm trying to think if something like this would meet my need
[06:57] <kdp> kkathman: in the first entry (i.e. the kernel thats booted) add the init level to the "kernel" line
[06:57] <yojimbo-san> see what that says (I presume the iPod would show up in there)
[06:57] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: if there a battery pack on her esomewhere?
[06:57] <Seven_Six_Two> you want a tiny pc for mail and stuff to carry between computers?
[06:57] <speedy2782> it doesnt show up there
[06:58] <Seven_Six_Two> yes, but it runs on adapter too
[06:58] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: where is the battery pack?
[06:58] <yojimbo-san> then you should be safe to disconnect the ipod - you may have to switch it off/on again
[06:58] <Seven_Six_Two> in the case i would suspect
[06:58] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: did you catch why i carry my laptop back and forth when i wrote earlier?
[06:58] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: i mean where is it on their website, or do they not sell one?
[06:58] <Seven_Six_Two> no i missed that
[06:58] <alkirk> I have an X problem
[06:59] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: (repeat) here is why i carry my laptop to work (similar environment: ubuntu/debian, archived mail (imap), dev evn (ruby, rails, php, apache) and source code, and gaim, buddy list, etc)
[06:59] <Myrtti> DAMMIT
[06:59] <Myrtti> I hate it when they do that
[06:59] <Myrtti> leave before I get to answer
[06:59] <Seven_Six_Two> how much space to you need?
[06:59] <keffo> anyone got a Abit AN7 (uGuru) motherboard working will under linux? such as temperatures etc.. working 100% with MBM5 (windows)
[06:59] <keffo> just wanted to know if anyone got it working
[06:59] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: my mail is 80mb
[06:59] <kkathman> kdp: no mention of gdm/kdm/xdm in that file
[07:00] <yojimbo-san> Dreamer3: sounds like the reason I use unison to do bi-directrional rsync
[07:00] <Myrtti> dammit dammit dammit dammit.
[07:00] <Dreamer3> yojimbo-san: unison?
[07:00] <Dreamer3> yojimbo-san: i have no high-speed internet anywhere
[07:00] <yojimbo-san> I only send the changes up/down the line each time I sync (by default, every 15 mins)
[07:00] <alkirk> I have an X problem using the nvidia driver
[07:00] <Myrtti> alkirk: oh?
[07:00] <kdp> kkathman: thats correct
[07:00] <saik0> yep, killing X is one way of doing it
[07:00] <Seven_Six_Two> ok. it says it uses compact flash cards for storage, and gives 5 battery options. you'd get them at radio shack or something
[07:01] <stevenj> I have a question about using another splash - I moved the splash.png to /usr/share/pixmaps/splash and changed the settings in the config. editor and the splash works; however, right before I start the session (when I see the desktop) a flicker of brown appears---how do I get rid of that?  Clean install (hoary)
[07:01] <yojimbo-san> dreamer3: if you have enough bandwidth for the changes (unisoin uses rsync to be efficient) then you're OK, otherwise, well I guess you've already found the "bets" soution
[07:01] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: url?
[07:01] <yojimbo-san> s/bets/best/
[07:01] <kdp> kkathman: all it should be is like "kernel		/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash 3" where 3 is the init leve
[07:01] <Seven_Six_Two> http://www.gumstix.com/spexboards.html
[07:03] <JesusisLord> greetings friends
[07:03] <blahrus> Seven_Six_Two: those .gumstix.com rock!
[07:03] <steveO_Laptop> Ok were can I find a good souce list for 5.04? want to update a few packages that are not listed
[07:03] <blahrus> JesusisLord: hey
[07:03] <WMCoolmon> is anyone at all good with asoundrc?
[07:04] <Seven_Six_Two> blahrus, yeah i thought so too. they look really handy (and fun)
[07:04] <alkirk> I just installed Hoary and I have tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.  In spite of getting the nvidia splash screen the display looks like a framebuffer display which will only give me a 60 Hz sync.
[07:04] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: you know anyone who uses these?
[07:05] <Seven_Six_Two> nope. i read a long thread on distributed processing and these were mentioned a few times
[07:05] <holycow> alkirk, you installed the nvidia ddrivers using instructions from the website?
[07:06] <holycow> if so, lookup your monitor on the web for the right vert and horizontal refresh rates, and type those into your xorg configure file
[07:06] <crimsun> speedy2782: would you post that strace output somewhere?
[07:06] <holycow> its what determines max res and refresh rates
[07:06] <kkathman> kdp I saw several instances (stanzas) of that kind of thing in that file
[07:06] <catalin> hello
[07:06] <kdp> kkathman: yes, thats just for the different kernels youve installed/updated
[07:07] <Reblended> how is firewire 400 support in linux?
[07:07] <alkirk> I referenced the website, what did I overlook?
[07:07] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: hmmm, does the etherstix require an ADDITIONAL 4-5v?
[07:07] <holycow> Seven_Six_Two, thanks for the heads up on gumstix again
[07:07] <kdp> kkathman: you can put it in all, or just the one you boot into
[07:07] <holycow> that looks like an affordable way to play around with portable devices
[07:08] <difekta> tor.eff.org = awesome
[07:08] <Seven_Six_Two> it seems they do. i hadn't noticed that
[07:08] <catalin> is anybody using xine?
[07:08] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: that's useless :)
[07:08] <Seven_Six_Two> maybe they could share?
[07:08] <speedy2782> What is required to configure xmms to play music
[07:09] <stevenj> I can not remove a .png file from /usr/share using terminal   sudo rm -rf /path/file   right??
[07:09] <difekta> speedy2782 well you probably need to tell it whether to use, alsa, oss, /dev/dsp etc
[07:09] <catalin> seven_six_two:can u help me?
[07:09] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: darn, i saw a pick of the two connectors a minute ago but now i can't find it
[07:09] <Dreamer3> darn unusalbe website
[07:09] <kkathman> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[07:09] <difekta> stevenj did you check the permissions?
[07:09] <kkathman> kdp thats a line
[07:09] <steveO_Laptop> im looking for a good apt-get source.list anyone have a complete list here?
[07:09] <kkathman> kdp: no run level after the splash?
[07:09] <kdp> kkathman: yes, now add a "3" or whatever to the end of it
[07:10] <Reblended> anyone have any luck with systemrescueCD ?
[07:10] <kkathman> kdp: and what does that do exactly?
[07:10] <catalin> how make subtitles on xine bigger?
[07:10] <stevenj> difekta, owned by root...but I put it there by mistake
[07:10] <WMCoolmon> does anyone at least know how to reload asoundrc so i don't have to log in/out to test changes?
[07:10] <Seven_Six_Two> lol Dreamer3
[07:10] <kdp> kkathman: it makes it boot into non graphical mode? i dunno the specifics, exactly
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> stevenj and sudo is working but the file still doesn't get deleted?
[07:11] <stevenj> BROKEN_LADDER, that seems to be whats happening
[07:11] <Seven_Six_Two> catalin, I'm not sure how to do that. I don't usually use subtitles, except on tv for anime
[07:11] <catalin> help me!how make subtitles on xine bigger?step by step please!
[07:12] <kkathman> ok I'll give that a shot when the other box comes up
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> stevenj perhaps you should try to change the permissions and see whether that even works.
[07:12] <Seven_Six_Two> steveO_Laptop, i think there's a list on www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:12] <catalin> seven_six_two:another player except xine or xmms ?
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just "ubuntuguide.org"
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> no www
[07:12] <Seven_Six_Two> totem
[07:12] <catalin> totem does not take them
[07:13] <stevenj> BROKEN_LADDER, not sure how ;)
[07:13] <Seven_Six_Two> catalin, are you watching a dvd, or an avi?
[07:13] <catalin> avi
[07:13] <catalin> i have cdrom
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> stevenj chmod 777 filename
[07:13] <Seven_Six_Two> you can't change it. it's encoded into the file
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have keyboard.
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have computer.
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> me tarzan have nice stuff.
[07:13] <ubuntu> Hello
[07:13] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: i'm tryign to figure how the basic boards get power
[07:13] <Seven_Six_Two> battery
[07:14] <Seven_Six_Two> or 5v adapter
[07:14] <kdp> BROKEN_LADDER: do you have a mouse? :-)
[07:14] <batfree> Hello
[07:14] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: no, i mean WHERE on the board
[07:14] <speedy2782> BROKEN_LADDER: I am trying to run xmms on hoary. THat i really all I know about it at this point and that I get an error message
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> what error message?
[07:14] <batfree> Can anyone help me to install a input method?
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> kdp i was making fun of catalin
[07:14] <speedy2782> http://pastebin.com/269869
[07:14] <kdp> BROKEN_LADDER: i realize that :-)
[07:15] <kkathman> kdp: thank you by the way for your help :)
[07:15] <batfree> I can not input Chinese in Ubuntu
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> batfree type "locale charmap"
[07:15] <kdp> kkathman: no problem, i had the same question a month ago
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does it say?
[07:15] <stevenj> BROKEN_LADDER, that seemed to work although...i was using an extension (ie, .png) before...maybe thats where I went wrong
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> you need to make sure it's utf-8
[07:16] <Seven_Six_Two> Dreamer3, the plug for the adapter is on the edge of the mainboard
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> stevenj why not just use tab completion on the file path?
[07:16] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: seems you have to add a board to even get a power input, or perhaps i'm confused
[07:16] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: on the edge of the MAIN board?
[07:16] <catalin> kdp what did u do ?
[07:16] <Seven_Six_Two> there is a square hole in the case, shown here:    http://gumstix.com/oscommerce-2.2ms2/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=87
[07:16] <kdp> catalin: what?
[07:17] <catalin> you said had same pb a month ago
[07:17] <stevenj> BROKEN_LADDER, not sure what tab completion is either...sorry....can I ask you one more easy question
[07:17] <kdp> catalin: oh, thats for kkathmans question
[07:18] <catalin> do you know with subtitles?
[07:18] <kdp> nope
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> stevenj you start typing the file path, and press tab to complete it.
[07:18] <catalin> k
[07:18] <EvilIdler> Argh. Trying to get a USB printer working, and the "helpful" error message in the syslog is "usblp0 on fire" :/
[07:18] <Seven_Six_Two> stevenj, if you're at the console, hitting tab will finish your command or present you with your options for finishing what you need to type
[07:18] <CoffeMan> how do I enable the multiverse repository in Hoary?
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you were typing /etc/passwd you could just type /etc/pass and hit tab.
[07:18] <speedy2782> BROKEN_LADDER: Did you see my error message?
[07:18] <speedy2782> http://pastebin.com/269869
[07:19] <stevenj> BROKEN_LADDER, oh ok...thanks...I knew that...just not what it is called
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> batfree has quit ("") <-- cool.  mandarin
[07:19] <eyequeue> what does  mean?
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus speedy2782  i have no idea what that erro messag emeans.
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> eyequeue i don't know, but it looks cool.
[07:20] <Seven_Six_Two> lol
[07:20] <speedy2782> Yeah, Either do I
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> unicode rocks.
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> is ubuntu utf-8 by default?
[07:20] <holycow> BROKEN_LADDER, lol sure it does but ...
[07:20] <Kinsei> hoary is, warty isn't
[07:20] <holycow> ... i once had a friend who had a chinese tatoo
[07:20] <holycow> it looked great and everything
[07:20] <CoffeMan> anyone have mplayer working in Ubuntu?
[07:21] <holycow> except when we asked a mandaring speaking person to translate it, it said 'restaurant'
[07:21] <holycow> >_<
[07:21] <stevenj> BROKEN_LADDER, last thing before bed... :)  I put another spash .png in /pixmaps/spash and set the configuration editor key to the new spash...but I see this flicker of brown right before I see the desktop appear..any suggestions?
[07:21] <Meastapheles> man xfce4-battery-plugin doesn't work on an ibook, and wmbatppc and xpmumon only diplay battery level and no estimate on time left or charge
[07:21] <holycow> the moron still has the 'restaurant' tatoo
[07:21] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: i'm looking for any type of a display module :)
[07:21] <Meastapheles> does gnome have a battery power sensor utility that works with ibooks?
[07:22] <Seven_Six_Two> Dreamer3, i don't think there is one. None that I've seen. they seem to be a piece of network that you can carry easily
[07:22] <bubs> looking to buy a averatec.. anyone get ubuntu to work well on one (3200 series)
[07:23] <DooD> hey guys do you know how i can get the latest kernel installed on my machine?
[07:24] <DooD> I went to kernel.org and it says 2.6.11 is out
[07:24] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: i think this is for embedded people :)
[07:24] <Xolt> where can i resize the desktop icons in GNOME for ubuntu?
[07:24] <Seven_Six_Two> that too, but they aren't embedded, lust very small
[07:25] <Seven_Six_Two> i'm sure they could easily made into other products. they are small
[07:25] <DooD> Xolt: you should edit your themes
[07:25] <Xolt> What theme field usually has the definition for icon size?
[07:26] <Seven_Six_Two> but if you plug it in to your network and it boots and becomes a pc, you can keep stuff on it and have it do some work for you, like encryption
[07:26] <DooD> Xolt: don't ask silly questions
[07:26] <DooD> Xolt: it has an icon tray
[07:26] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: i'm trying to figure out what the thumbstix does
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> stevenj i believe that flicker of brown is a color that you can set.  i believe you set it either in gconf editor or gdm.conf
[07:27] <Xolt> well wait... would it be under the icon theme or the actual system theme?
[07:27] <DooD> icon theme
[07:27] <holycow> Seven_Six_Two, well they do use a 400mhz xscale processor
[07:27] <holycow> thats pretty powerfull
[07:27] <holycow> the only thing is the form factor allows them only 64 megs of ram
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> try editing backgroundcolor in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[07:28] <oneiFreak> Xolt: System > Preferences > File Management.  Look under Icon View Defaults, it will change it for all nautilus/file-manager views though.
[07:28] <Dreamer3> Seven_Six_Two: the wiki seems to imply it's more than power almost like net over usb, but the website doesn't say this at all
[07:29] <Seven_Six_Two> Dreamer3, it seems to get power from usb2
[07:29] <Seven_Six_Two> which i think is around 5v
[07:29] <Seven_Six_Two> it's just an add-on board though
[07:29] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: the wiki seems to imply it's more than power almost like net over usb, but the website doesn't say this at all
[07:30] <Seven_Six_Two> the pc has an adapter, battery OR add a board and get usb power
[07:30] <stevenj> BROKEN_LADDER, thanks....yes I figured so...just unable to find it :)
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: huh?
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: i was disconnected
[07:30] <mak> hey guys, i was happily watching videos with xine, and all of the sudden it stopped working. now it just says "segmentation fault"can anyone help?
[07:31] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: trying to figure out if the usb thing is more than JUST power
[07:31] <Seven_Six_Two> not that one.
[07:31] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: there is another one?
[07:31] <Seven_Six_Two> there are usb cards though
[07:31] <stevenj> BROKEN_LADDER, its not in the gnome-session option (when I set the splash) anyway ;)
[07:32] <dave_infoseeke1> Hi all, having troubles with alsa under horay
[07:32] <saik0> Conclusion: XFCE 4 is sweet, but I noticed I just cant config it exactly the way I want, and I find I'm less efficient doing day to day things
[07:32] <dave_infoseeke1> it was working well under 4.10
[07:32] <dave_infoseeke1> but now no sound
[07:32] <Seven_Six_Two> oh sorry no. there is regular usb on the mainboards
[07:33] <hab> hi
[07:33] <hab> have a question if i may ?
[07:33] <Dreamer3_> Seven_Six_Two: on the larger boards there is i think
[07:33] <Seven_Six_Two> yes
[07:33] <Dreamer3_> esher: client usb, whatever that is
[07:33] <Seven_Six_Two> looks interesting
[07:34] <Seven_Six_Two> i was thinking about one for a media server in the livingroom, playing off my pc
[07:34] <Seven_Six_Two> in the office
[07:34] <hab> ok i just found this linux site today does it suport sata pci express amd64???
[07:35] <Seven_Six_Two> hab,  what site?
[07:35] <hab> ati all in wonder with WORING REMOTE ??
[07:35] <hab> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[07:35] <hab> sorry
[07:37] <mak> hey guys, i was happily watching videos with xine, and all of the sudden it stopped working. now it just says "segmentation fault"can anyone help?
[07:37] <vessuvius81> I finally got ndiswrapper to install and modprobe without erroring out, but my wireless card doesn't show up in networking or with iwconfig... anyone have any ideas?
[07:37] <hab> what format is it in ?
[07:37] <hab> the xine ?
[07:37] <Seven_Six_Two> hab, i see. there is a pointer to here. you can get it working, but how long it takes depends on your experience
[07:38] <vasi> is there any way to get firefox to save sessions in gnome?
[07:38] <hab> i c
[07:38] <holycow> vasi, what exactly is there to save?
[07:38] <holycow> firefox deals with sessionless data
[07:38] <vasi> open tabs
[07:38] <hab> firefox should can save under xp
[07:38] <Reblended> save all tabs as favorite group?
[07:39] <holycow> vasi, that is a firefox specific thing, and its a feature that does not yet exist
[07:39] <holycow> check for extensions
[07:39] <holycow> or
[07:39] <holycow> write an extension your self
[07:39] <holycow> xul and javascript is not too hard
[07:39] <vasi> holycow, i know
[07:39] <vasi> i just wrote an extension do to recursive downloads
[07:39] <vasi> using wget
[07:39] <hab> how to wright a ext for fire fox?
[07:39] <holycow> cool!
[07:39] <vasi> jdpanda.sf.net
[07:39] <holycow> *high five*
[07:39] <holycow> haha :)
[07:40] <holycow> hey thats nice :)
[07:40] <vasi> JS+XUL is very frustrating though...sometimes things are soooo easy, but sometimes what should be really simple for any "normal" environment is nearly impossible
[07:40] <benplaut> are some of you guys online 16 hours a day?!?
[07:41] <yfir> 24
[07:41] <SuperQ> benplaut: basicaly, yea
[07:41] <vasi> thanks holycow :-)
[07:41] <Arnia> Yep :)
[07:41] <hab> 24 here] 
[07:41] <zoid> is a pentium3 considered -386 or -686?
[07:41] <DooD> is that guy who was looking for how to change the icon sizes on desktop gone?
[07:41] <SuperQ> zoid: -686
[07:41] <yfir> zoid: 686
[07:41] <zoid> that's what i thought, thanks
[07:41] <holycow> benplaut, i sleep while driving
[07:41] <holycow> >_>
[07:41] <holycow> if your in vancouver stay off the sidewalks around 8am weekdays
[07:41] <holycow> <_<
[07:42] <Reblended> what does this error mean: "you passed an undefined mode number"
[07:42] <yfir> yay, vancouver
[07:42] <regeya> Reblended: it means you passed an undefined mode number
[07:42] <regeya> HTH!
[07:42] <Seven_Six_Two> well, same country at least
[07:42] <Reblended> regeya, what I thought, thx
[07:42] <Reblended> how do I fix that problem, regeya
[07:42] <DooD> Reblended it means you gave a mode that isn't known
[07:42] <DooD> lol
[07:42] <Reblended> ah
[07:42] <Reblended> I'm about to pass something else
[07:43] <regeya> Reblended: that would probably depend on what gave that error
[07:43] <Reblended> lcd monitor
[07:43] <Reblended> didn't like it
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> is there any way, yet, to install to the hard disk using the live cd ?
[07:43] <Reblended> wouldn't that be nice, da_bon!
[07:43] <Seven_Six_Two> there is
[07:44] <Reblended> Seven?
[07:44] <Seven_Six_Two> but only with 1 distro that i know of, and can't remember which
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: i know..
[07:44] <yfir> da_bon_bon: usb drive is one possibility
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> yfir: ??
[07:44] <Echylo> damn, is it normal that there aren't any updates since 2-3 days ago?
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> Seven_Six_Two: knoppix
[07:44] <Seven_Six_Two> maybe this one
[07:44] <Reblended> I don't have a 700mb usb drive
[07:44] <Seven_Six_Two> hey ya that could be the one
[07:45] <regeya> you could copy the filesystem from the livecd to hd, perhaps, but I wouldn't recommend that
[07:45] <Reblended> so "burn"  the iso to a 1gig thumbdrive?
[07:45] <Reblended> why not, regeya?
[07:45] <vasi> i think gentoo can install from the live CD...but it's a very bare bones install
[07:45] <regeya> indeed it is
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> damn, wish i had a faster net connection than my 2kbps net and i wouldve tried both the live and install cd
[07:46] <Seven_Six_Two> da_bon_bon, haha i see your dilemma now
[07:46] <Reblended> they'll send you a free cd
[07:46] <Seven_Six_Two> theyre sending me 10
[07:46] <yfir> Echylo: since ubuntu was released on friday, you shouldn't expect the updates to come so fast and furious as they did last week
[07:46] <Reblended> I'm wondering what mode number my lcd monitor needs.
[07:47] <yfir> Echylo: in fact, you should only really expect security updates now, maybe a few major bug fixes
[07:47] <Echylo> yfir, ok thanks, it's because I have a irritating bug with firefox so I'm waiting for a fix
[07:47] <beh> can someone tell me what file i need to edit to change xterm colors
[07:47] <regeya> I wonder how little info you'd have to leak out before someone could help you with that lcd monitor
[07:47] <regeya> you could try for a record
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: i know. it will reach india, in what, maybe june end or july begin ... ?
[07:47] <yfir> Echylo: try submitting it?
[07:48] <regeya> see if someone could figure it out just by manufacturer
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> :P
[07:48] <regeya> it could be fun!
[07:48] <Echylo> yfir it is already submitted by someone else so :)
[07:48] <yfir> ok
[07:48] <Reblended> regeya I'm not sure what to ask. I was trying to boot with live cd and it just pauses forever at the first boot screen
[07:48] <oneiFreak> get a room!
[07:48] <beh> can someone tel me how to change xterm colors
[07:49] <regeya> then if someone can't get it from manufacturer, you could move on to model name, and then number.  but that pretty much gives it all away.
[07:49] <regeya> the game's no fun if you have that info
[07:49] <Reblended> regeya I'm supposed to guess? you can't give it all away?
[07:50] <regeya> Reblended: sorry, I was meaning that you're holding some information that the rest of us need.
[07:50] <Reblended> regeya ok, sony vaio PCG-FX190
[07:50] <regeya> whoo!
[07:50] <Reblended> 1400x1050
[07:50] <regeya> sorry, I've run out of time for the day, but I suppose someone else could help you. :-(
[07:50] <Reblended> LOL
[07:50] <Reblended> np
[07:50] <Reblended> I forgot to look at my timelimit
[07:51] <Reblended> =] 
[07:51] <Reblended> catch you tomorrow I hope
[07:51] <Seven_Six_Two> Reblended, what did google turn up for you?
[07:51] <Reblended> I"ve heard it's a pain, and also painless for vaio laptops... but nothing specifically for the FX-190
[07:53] <Seven_Six_Two> try hitting alt+ctrl+a number
[07:53] <Reblended> k
[07:53] <Seven_Six_Two> one of them sometimes has info on current process
[07:53] <Seven_Six_Two> maybe 2 or 9
[07:53] <Seven_Six_Two> or 3
[07:53] <Seven_Six_Two> could be 5 i suppose
[07:53] <Reblended> ok
[07:53] <per02> is there a shortcut to change workspaces in gnome?
[07:53] <holycow> there are a few boot parameters you can pass as well depending on model
[07:53] <Reblended> seven: this is at the boot menu for livecd.. yes?
[07:54] <holycow> someting like nodma helped in the past when live cd's wouldnt go
[07:54] <Reblended> holycow I tried the noapic and vga=771
[07:54] <Seven_Six_Two> i mean when it freezes
[07:54] <Reblended> still got hanged
[07:54] <holycow> Reblended, really? this is on a vaio right?
[07:54] <Seven_Six_Two> or just before
[07:54] <Reblended> holy yes
[07:54] <Reblended> I'll try nodma
[07:54] <holycow> well sony produces lots of proprietary stuff ... i basically give up at the slightest with anything sony, it's just not worth the fight
[07:55] <calamari> per02: yes, in Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:55] <per02> calamari: thx
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: try this - put three to four letters of someone's nick and press the tab key.
[07:55] <Reblended> da_bon_bon,  ahh NIce
[07:55] <Reblended> TYTYTYT
[07:55] <holycow> da_bon_bon, rofl :)
[07:55] <rmills> does anyone know what synaptic package Xlib.h ships in? i need it to compile Qt but it seems ubuntu doesn't come with x11-devel* style packages
[07:55] <Reblended> I"ve been wanting to know how to do this! da_bon_bon
[07:55] <calamari> per02: np.. scroll almost to the bottom of the list and you'll see 'em
[07:55] <per02> cool
[07:56] <per02> :)
[07:56] <Reblended> da_bon_bon, You've saved me, man
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: np.
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> holycow: :)
[07:56] <Dethread> rmills, maybe in x-window-system-dev
[07:56] <holycow> oh holy one have mercy on the noobs
[07:56] <ells> does anyone know which cd burning software is best to use
[07:56] <holycow> ^_^
[07:57] <per02> calamari: that's perfect!!! thx very much
[07:57] <Kinsei> what's gam_serve and why is it stopping me from unmounting anything?
[07:57] <rmills> i only have x-window-system-core listed?
[07:58] <holycow> Kinsei, google it first, then kill if safe
[07:58] <Kinsei> I've killed it, it just respawns
[07:59] <holycow> that must be some kind of watch daemon that looks for stuff to mount
[07:59] <holycow> gnome 2.8 had one named differently that would do the same to me
[08:00] <Kinsei> yeah it seems like it
[08:00] <Kinsei> but this is just a hard drive partition
[08:00] <holycow> oh its a file alteration monitor i remeber now
[08:00] <holycow> it was called something different, but it watches when files change to update nautilus
[08:00] <Dethread> rmills, it's probably in universe or multiverse...not sure
[08:00] <catalin> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade my ubuntu?
[08:00] <Kinsei> perhaps if I kill nautilus then
[08:00] <holycow> if it gets hosed it does things like that
[08:01] <holycow> try it, gnome 2.10 is new to me so i don't know how much has changed
[08:01] <oneiFreak> holycow: the old one was fam.. now its gam, though im sure its not the same thing exactly, but the 'use' is the same
[08:01] <holycow> oneiFreak, oh thats it!
[08:01] <Kinsei> killing nautilus, then killing gam_serve fixed it
[08:01] <Dethread> rmills, also...this is for hoary. Warty doesn't use xorg so it might be different
[08:01] <holycow> Kinsei, good to know, i'll remember that for the future, thx
[08:01] <catalin> what is hoaryu?
[08:02] <catalin> hoary?
[08:02] <Reblended> how do I get linux to recognize a firewire external drive?
[08:02] <holycow> Kinsei, http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/overview.html
[08:02] <Kinsei> cheers.
[08:02] <holycow> Reblended, plug it in?
[08:02] <Dethread> catalin, it's the name of the latest ubuntu release
[08:02] <Reblended> holycow no mounting?
[08:02] <catalin> aha
[08:02] <catalin> k
[08:02] <per02> .
[08:02] <holycow> Reblended, gnome should just autoumnt it
[08:02] <holycow> and place a link on your desktop and places menu
[08:02] <catalin> and for warty sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is good?
[08:03] <holycow> Reblended, it does the same for cameras and things like memory sticks
[08:03] <rmills> yeah i'm running hoary
[08:03] <rmills> i think i need to enable universe
[08:03] <Reblended> holycow, great! I just burned the systemrescueCD.iso and I'm gonna part-image my drive and do an Ubuntu
[08:03] <Dethread> rmills, that might be a good idea :)
[08:04] <holycow> Reblended, whatever floats your boat, BUT, i would strongly recommend just setting up a removable hd ...
[08:04] <Dethread> catalin, yes...it'd be good for your system :)
[08:04] <Reblended> holycow, not really sure how to do that... on a laptop
[08:04] <holycow> and installing ubuntu and other things on a completely separate hd, a bit more expensive but should save you all kinda headaches
[08:04] <holycow> oh laptop? ehe :)
[08:04] <Reblended> heh!
[08:04] <Reblended> sonly vaio
[08:04] <holycow> well most new lappies let you take the hd out easily, i donno about vaio tho
[08:05] <holycow> toshibas have just one panel underneath, you pull the hd out and done
[08:05] <Reblended> you wanna see where mine is located? holycow it's buried under the kb
[08:05] <holycow> Reblended, check your laptop bios if it boots from usb or firewire?
[08:05] <Reblended> bend a prong and bye bye hd
[08:05] <vasi> Kinsei, you can stop that from happening by making a .gaminrc
[08:05] <vasi> in your home directory
[08:05] <Reblended> good idea... I saw removable device, cd or hd
[08:05] <holycow> if it boots from usb or firewire, you can install on regular hd on a normal pc, then just plug it into usb to boot
[08:05] <vasi> and put 'notify /mnt/*' in it
[08:06] <vasi> i'm not sure why that works, it's the OPPOSITE from what should work...but it's been working for me
[08:06] <holycow> if you install ubuntu on a regular pc you can take your hd to almost any other machine, the only thing that wont autoconfig is xorg but thats easy to fix
[08:06] <Kinsei> vasi: strange, it should WORK by default
[08:07] <Reblended> holycow, my firewire drive is only 400mbps... really too slow for everyday booting, do you think?
[08:07] <Reblended> but I love the idea
[08:07] <Reblended> It does have USB2
[08:07] <Reblended> as well  holycow
[08:07] <holycow> no i don't think so, debian bootprocess isn't terribly optimised to begin with from what i can tell
[08:07] <Dreamer3> holycow: i think gumstix is pretty coo, but prolly too small for my purposes :)
[08:07] <ac-id> hello all
[08:07] <holycow> Dreamer3, i think way too small :)
[08:08] <ac-id> now to see if anything broke
[08:08] <Dreamer3> holycow: i mean i COULD see uses... bluetooth with a battery sounds like cool portable storage to me, but i'd have to build a case and do the battery thing all myself :)
[08:08] <holycow> Dreamer3, i can't see its uses beyond fancy remote control, mp3 player, or some device driver say like they have with the link for the epaper thingy
[08:08] <Reblended> holycow, I'm wondering if I can boot to floppy and point it to my external drive
[08:08] <ubuntu> Firstly Kudos to everyone involved in Hoary, the Ubuntu forums, and Ubuntu guide!
[08:08] <holycow> Reblended, yes, but that requries far more skill than i can even begin to think about right now :)
[08:08] <holycow> hehe
[08:09] <holycow> ha!
[08:09] <holycow> i can't believe that nick wasnt registered :)
[08:09] <ubuntu> Secondly, is there any way I can disable the system beep? I've disabled the terminal beep, but the system still beeps at random stuff.
[08:09] <Reblended> holycow, ROFL
[08:09] <Reblended> ubuntu, it just likes you
[08:10] <Kinsei> ubuntu: pull the wire out
[08:10] <Arnia> (to computer) Don't you like me too?
[08:11] <Dethread> ubuntu, System->Preferences->Sound->System Bell
[08:11] <Arnia> (computer) Of course I do! But as a friend...
[08:11] <Arnia> (to computer) But I thought that time meant something to both of us!
[08:11] <Arnia> ahem... I'll stop there
[08:11] <holycow> *whew*
[08:11] <holycow> thank you
[08:11] <holycow> -_-
[08:11] <Reblended> is there a program similar to offline explorer for linux?
[08:12] <ubuntu> Thanks Dethread
[08:12] <Dethread> :)
[08:12] <Arnia> holycow: Everyone should love their systems, right?
[08:12] <Dreamer3> Reblended: httrack, wget, etc
[08:12] <oneiFreak> Arnia: not everyone loves their like you do.
[08:13] <Reblended> Dreamer3, ty
[08:13] <Kinsei> Arnia: we don't all buy FUFMEs
[08:13] <holycow> Arnia, lol, i plead the fifth
[08:13] <holycow> Kinsei, hahaha! i was looking for the link
[08:13] <Arnia> holycow: that doesn't work in the UK ;0
[08:13] <Arnia> ;)
[08:13] <holycow> thats a classic from the dot bomb era
[08:13] <catalin> is any command to let warty working and be passworded?
[08:14] <Dethread> catalin, what?
[08:14] <catalin> like in xp windows+L
[08:14] <Arnia> catalin: System > Preferences > Keyboard shortcuts
[08:14] <Reblended> I want my pc to look like it's loading mac... not linux
[08:14] <Arnia> You're looking for lock screen
[08:15] <Reblended> Arnia, ?
[08:15] <Arnia> Reblended: Wait until Breezy
[08:15] <holycow> Reblended, that should be esily themable
[08:15] <catalin> yes
[08:15] <holycow> Arnia, *oooo*
[08:15] <holycow> do tell?
[08:15] <holycow> :)
[08:15] <Reblended> Arnia, wait?
[08:15] <Arnia> Reblended: That was for catalin
[08:15] <Reblended> holycow, ooh, yah
[08:15] <Reblended> Reblended, ok
[08:15] <holycow> Arnia, ah, i thought you had the scoop on sommin good
[08:15] <holycow> lol
[08:15] <Arnia> holycow: Userspace bootsplash
[08:15] <Arnia> Argh... this is confusing
[08:15] <holycow> Arnia, oh yeah, heard about that haha
[08:16] <catalin> arnia
[08:16] <Arnia> Right. The lock screen comment was for catalin. The bootsplash comment was for Reblended
[08:16] <Arnia> Two separate conversations :)
[08:16] <Reblended> Arnia, now I'm unconfused
[08:16] <Reblended> userspace bootsplash, right
[08:16] <catalin> arnia how i lock the screen?
[08:16] <Arnia> catalin: Set up a keyboard shortcut in the preferences panel I gave you the location of
[08:17] <Dreamer3> holycow: hmmm, seems if i add the etherstix i have no place left for storage...
[08:17] <Reblended> if I resume logging in xchat, will it overwrite my previous log?
[08:17] <Arnia> Reblended: Should be easily themed if you really want your system to look like its booting OSX ;)
[08:17] <Reblended> Arnia, ty! kde?
[08:17] <catalin> arnia i have warty
[08:18] <calamari> Reblended: no idea.. but copy the old log, then enable logging and see what happens :)
[08:18] <holycow> Arnia, i wonder if userspace bootsplash will allow for animation
[08:18] <jldugger> =/ upgrading to hoary destroyed the partition table on my sata drive
[08:18] <holycow> i'm thinking if it is in userspace you should be able to do anything, play streaming video even
[08:18] <Arnia> Reblended: Uhh... just the standard boot sequence. The DE loaded at the end will be irrelevant to it I imagine
[08:19] <catalin> arnia i am a very beginer
[08:19] <agris> Hi i have problem with openoffice autopilot - i am trying to make web page  and it sais that i need to reinstall oo
[08:19] <holycow> arnia i think he's mixing up the gdm/kdm boot thingie with a system bootsplash
[08:19] <Arnia> holycow: Yes, it should allow that. Hopefully anyway ;)
[08:19] <Dreamer3> holycow: so the question is what can one do with 64 of ram and 4mb of flash and ethernet? :)
[08:19] <Arnia> holycow: Ah... well KDM/GDM are easily themed too :)
[08:19] <holycow> Dreamer3, not a lot :) haha
[08:19] <Arnia> catalin: Ok... did you load the keyboard shortcuts window?
[08:20] <catalin> how?
[08:20] <holycow> Arnia, *nod* :) at least i managed to change the backgroudn image back to the shiny metalic one with rounded corners from the square one they have now
[08:20] <catalin> step by step pls
[08:20] <Arnia> catalin: In the menus... System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts
[08:20] <Arnia> holycow: Where did you find it?
[08:20] <Arnia> The image I mean
[08:21] <holycow> arnia the images are in actually the same dir, just search for the one there
[08:21] <john> Why is nobody in the grub-channel?
[08:21] <catalin> i dont have system
[08:21] <catalin> i am on warty
[08:21] <holycow> config editor -> apps -> gnome-session -> options
[08:21] <Arnia> holycow: Cool :)
[08:21] <holycow> splash/ubuntu-polished-metal.png  <-- thats the one i like, search for the pngs ..
[08:21] <AcidWolf> Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found). <-------- trying to install Mplayer from Source :(
[08:21] <Xgates> OH I found a real goodie for killing the scripts ---> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto
[08:22] <Xgates> Oh that is real easy now
[08:22] <holycow> Arnia, haha, you probably told me originally anyway :)
[08:22] <holycow> lol
[08:22] <jldugger> holycow, are you STILL going on about gumstix? I managed to watch School of Rock in this timeframe
[08:22] <holycow> Xgates, do tell?
[08:22] <holycow> jldugger, lol, dude wtf is your problem?
[08:22] <Xgates> is /etc/init.d/dns-clean just for PPP?
[08:22] <Arnia> catalin: Hmm... Computer > Settings > Keyboard shortcuts should be the location then... I think
[08:22] <holycow> if you don't like me put me on your ignore list
[08:22] <holycow> jesus
[08:22] <jldugger> im just saying, man.
[08:22] <Arnia> catalin: I haven't used Warty for a long time
[08:22] <holycow> just don't talk to me even :)
[08:22] <Reblended> ignore Reblended
[08:23] <Reblended> I can't hear myself now... ahh peace
[08:23] <Reblended> Arnia, ty, tyvm, but, you can't hear this
[08:23] <Dreamer3> lol
[08:23] <Xgates> holycow: oh man its a CHARM, just grab the diff and patch rc and rcS and then all you have to do to stop a service in /etc/init.d is just run --> chmod -x filename  :-)
[08:23] <Dreamer3> Xgates: what?
[08:23] <Xgates> holycow, then when ya want to start it again --> chmod +x file
[08:23] <Reblended> can I type live nodma fb1024x768 ?
[08:23] <Xgates> Dreamer3, --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto
[08:23] <holycow> Xgates, ah!
[08:24] <Sp4rKy> hello everybody
[08:24] <Xgates> Dreamer3, a real simple way to stop and start the services ;p
[08:24] <Reblended> sup Sp4rKy
[08:24] <Kinsei> hi Dr Nick!
[08:24] <Sp4rKy> hi Reblended
[08:24] <Dreamer3> Xgates: /etc/init.d/apache stop isn't good enough? :)
[08:24] <Arnia> Was there an echo here? :)
[08:24] <Arnia> A faint ghostly shriek?
[08:24] <Reblended> @echo off
[08:24] <catalin> found it
[08:24] <Xgates> Dreamer3, that will only kill it for THAT session when ya reboot the box it will restart
[08:24] <catalin> arnia are you greek?
[08:25] <Reblended> who wants dolmas!
[08:25] <Arnia> catalin: No... a limey ;)
[08:25] <Reblended> eh? irish? or Australian?
[08:25] <Arnia> Who mentioned dolmas?
[08:25] <Xgates> anyone know if /etc/init.d/dns-clean is just for PPP?
[08:25] <Kinsei> TongMaster: you're obviously an aussie
[08:25] <catalin> because arni=lamb in greek
[08:25] <Xgates> looks like in it the script
[08:25] <Dreamer3> Xgates: these patches don't start and start services DYNAMICALLY, do they?
[08:25] <Reblended> Arnia, My sis says a limey is aus...
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[08:25] <ac-id>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libedataserver3_1.0.4-1_i386.deb
[08:25] <ac-id>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libecal6_1.0.4-1_i386.deb
[08:25] <ac-id>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libebook8_1.0.4-1_i386.deb
[08:25] <ac-id> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:26] <TongMaster> Kinsei, how so?
[08:26] <Arnia> A limey is an Englishman
[08:26] <ac-id> is there a known problem with that?
[08:26] <Arnia> (not a Welshman or a Scot, an Englishman)
[08:26] <Xgates> Dreamer3, no you grab those .diff patches then when you want to stop something you got to --> /etc/init.d/ and run ---> chmod -x filename
[08:26] <Reblended> Reblended, tries to keep his head above the flood...
[08:26] <Kinsei> TongMaster: because the tongmaster video is a uniquely australian peice of comedy
[08:26] <Xgates> Dreamer3, then the file isnt executable is all
[08:26] <Dreamer3> Xgates: well, but if it's still running, it keeps running
[08:26] <Xgates> Dreamer3, then to start it you make the file executable again as ---> chmod +x filename
[08:26] <TongMaster> Hrm, has someone been taking video of me?
[08:27] <TongMaster> I've never seen it, Kinsei but yes, you're right.
[08:27] <Xgates> Dreamer3, dont know what you meant BUT when you run chmod -x filename its going to kill it for good
[08:27] <Kinsei> aha!
[08:27] <Dreamer3> Xgates: but the service will still be running unless you stop it :)
[08:27] <Dreamer3> i'm correct, very simple patch, but kinda useful
[08:27] <Dreamer3> should make it into mainline
[08:28] <Xgates> Dreamer3, 'chmod -x filename' WILL kill it for good it will NEVER run again BECAUSE the file is NOT executable  :-)
[08:28] <Dreamer3> Xgates: right, but it will have no effect until reboot :)
[08:28] <AcidWolf> Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found). i get this error while compiling Mplayer from source sofar ive gotten all other dependencies so now i just need this one however im not sure which package i need to satisfy this one
[08:28] <Sp4rKy> apt-get install gtk :/
[08:28] <Xgates> Dreamer3, yes then when you reboot all the services that you did that to will no longer start, sorry if that is what you meant
[08:29] <Arnia> libgtk-dev I think
[08:29] <Xgates> Dreamer3, or better yet then you can run --> /etc/init.d/apache stop --> THEN run --> chmod -x apache on it
[08:29] <Xgates> :-)
[08:29] <Xgates> so when ya finally reboot
[08:29] <Xgates> ;p
[08:29] <Dreamer3> Xgates: we really do need a new init system :)
[08:30] <Dreamer3> Xgates: in my humble estimation
[08:30] <Arnia> AcidWolf: libgtk2.0-dev
[08:30] <Xgates> Dreamer3, I like the simpilicity of BSD style
[08:30] <Dreamer3> Xgates: if i cared about bootup time i'd switch away from sysvinit
[08:30] <Dreamer3> but i really could care less :)
[08:30] <AcidWolf> ty Arnia
[08:30] <AcidWolf> :)
[08:30] <Kinsei> I never understood that expression "could care less"
[08:30] <Arnia> Dreamer3: RedHat are building one using DBUS notifications to speed up the process
[08:30] <Kinsei> it's like "I couldn't care less" except that it doesn't make any sense
[08:30] <Reblended> Kinsei, heh, I could not care less, is more like it
[08:30] <Arnia> Kinsei: Its 'couldn't care less' isn't it?
[08:30] <Xgates> Dreamer3, well I'd hope to think that they'll just make a nice GUI FE for init.d scripts to stop and start them real simple since this is the type of distro Ubuntu is more on the EASE of use
[08:31] <Dreamer3> Kinsei: i think it's just a shorter form
[08:31] <Kinsei> Arnia: yes
[08:31] <Dreamer3> Xgates: doesn't gnome have that?
[08:31] <Reblended> Kinsei, I could not care any more...
[08:31] <Kinsei> For a few years a lot of people having been saying "I could care less"
[08:31] <ac-id> DBUS?
[08:31] <AcidWolf> libgtk2.0-dev is already the newest version. <---- Arnia how bout now
[08:31] <AcidWolf> :(
[08:31] <Reblended> yep... and snucked
[08:31] <jldugger> i think people wind up abbreviating the meme, to the detriment of the actual phrase "i couldn't care less," or maybe they're just bad at faking the sarcasm behind the words
[08:31] <Xgates> Dreamer3, nope the only thing I have seen is the CLI --> update-rc.d
[08:31] <Dreamer3> Kinsei: i think no one thinks about it anymore and it's gotten into popular culture
[08:32] <Arnia> AcidWolf: PM me the error you get from the compile
[08:32] <Sp4rKy> please, anybody can explain to me how use cvs ?
[08:32] <Xgates> Dreamer3, so I figure some sort of FE to update-rc.d
[08:32] <Xgates>  would be nice
[08:32] <Dreamer3> Xgates: right, i thought there was some gnome tool
[08:32] <Arnia> Just the final error
[08:32] <Kinsei> Dreamer3: there are too many daft people around.
[08:32] <holycow> arnia, boot thingy using dbus?
[08:32] <holycow> ha!
[08:32] <Xgates> Dreamer3, yeah I was thinking so, but some ppl said there is not one
[08:32] <Dreamer3> Kinsei: *laughs*
[08:32] <holycow> oh thats a neat idea indeed
[08:32] <Reblended> what is the full size of the ubuntu dist?
[08:32] <Arnia> holycow: Yeah... which will glue with the uspace bootsplash well
[08:32] <Dreamer3> holycow: what?
[08:32] <Dreamer3> Reblended: 1.6g installed?
[08:32] <Reblended> oh cool.. type ubu and hit tab and it will spell ubuntu  FOR you
[08:32] <Arnia> holycow: It uses DBUS to start services when they're first needed and not before :)
[08:32] <holycow> Reblended, 12 cds same as debian , or 15k packages
[08:32] <Reblended> Dreamer3, ty
[08:32] <Xgates> Dreamer3, BUT that URL for patching rc and rcS and then doing chmod -x is pretty simple imo  :-)
[08:32] <AcidWolf> Check "configure.log" if you do not understand why it failed.
[08:32] <AcidWolf> root@ubuntuG4:/home/acidwolf/mplayer/MPlayer-1.0pre6a # apt-get install GTK
[08:32] <AcidWolf> Reading package lists... Done
[08:32] <AcidWolf> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:33] <AcidWolf> E: Couldn't find package GTK
[08:33] <Arnia> holycow: So the entire thing stays optimised :)
[08:33] <Reblended> holycow, ty
[08:33] <AcidWolf> root@ubuntuG4:/home/acidwolf/mplayer/MPlayer-1.0pre6a # apt-get install gtk
[08:33] <AcidWolf> Reading package lists... Done
[08:33] <AcidWolf> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:33] <AcidWolf> E: Couldn't find package gtk
[08:33] <AcidWolf> root@ubuntuG4:/home/acidwolf/mplayer/MPlayer-1.0pre6a # apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[08:33] <AcidWolf> Reading package lists... Done
[08:33] <AcidWolf> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:33] <AcidWolf> libgtk2.0-dev is already the newest version.
[08:33] <AcidWolf> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:33] <holycow> Arnia, wicked, i'm gonna try runit on a machine here, but that sounds even better
[08:33] <AcidWolf> root@ubuntuG4:/home/acidwolf/mplayer/MPlayer-1.0pre6a #
[08:33] <Dreamer3> Xgates: yeah, if i really cared i'd patch them :)
[08:33] <AcidWolf> sigh
[08:33] <Dreamer3> Xgates: i did download and read the patches... trivial
[08:33] <Dreamer3> Xgates: could change it by hand :)
[08:33] <dazed|> is gnome-conf the daemon thats responsible for gnome themes if not what is?
[08:34] <Arnia> holycow: It is indeed very cool
[08:34] <jack|h> Is there an easy way to make ubuntu use the alsa hardware mixer rather than esd?  With esd, I have to kill it before I can have sound in mozilla.  But then I have to start it back up to get sound for everything else.
[08:34] <Xgates> Dreamer3, yeah I did, and then I kill alot of them almost 75% of it has been killed from the default install so I have the box run a bit faster on boot up and not sucking up the mem from the services either
[08:34] <Dreamer3> Xgates: yeah, i wouldn't mind turning a few off myself, but i'd do it permanently :) i don't need powernow on a desktop :)
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Xgates: i'd prolly just change the executable bit and not apply the patch :)
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Xgates: or delete them
[08:35] <holycow> Dreamer3, Xgates is our local slackware convert, he will be optimizing down to the nanosecond :)
[08:35] <holycow> hehe
[08:35] <dazed|> does anyone know the daemon thats responsible for gnome themes?
[08:35] <Dreamer3> holycow: *laughs*
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Xgates: must suck not compiling stuff anymore, eh?
[08:35] <Arnia> holycow: I think the best bit will be just how much information can be accessed from services once this change has happened
[08:35] <holycow> Dreamer3, he jsut recompiled the kernle to his specs hehe
[08:35] <holycow> Xgates, you rock :)
[08:36] <Dreamer3> holycow: you know for the first time ever i haven't felt a need to build my own kernel...
[08:36] <Dreamer3> holycow: *Shrugs*
[08:36] <Arnia> holycow: The usability report on Ubuntu made mention of the fact that the NTP client didn't know whether the network was up. Now it will :)
[08:36] <Sp4rKy> how do i use cvs ?
[08:36] <Dreamer3> holycow: i was mildly annoyed that i had to rebuild the initrd to turn off vesafb though, even though it turned out not to matter :)
[08:36] <Arnia> Sp4rKy: There is the CVS book available online
[08:36] <holycow> Arnia, i'm just thinking about that, i'm really really starting to love linux, the usability tie in could really put us ahead of even osx
[08:36] <dazed|> does anyone know the daemon thats responsible for gnome themes?
[08:37] <Xgates> holycow, LOL
[08:37] <Arnia> Sp4rKy: But I'd say that arch is better ;)
[08:37] <Dreamer3> dazed|: i doni't think it's a daemon :)
[08:37] <ac-id> k my dist-upgrade didnt work
[08:37] <Dreamer3> dazed|: this isn't winXP :)
[08:37] <holycow> Arnia, haha, i actually uninstalled ntp, thats a very good point
[08:37] <ac-id> lots of unmet dependencies which wont install with an apt-get -f
[08:37] <Xgates> YEAH Im PISSED I still didnt get a kernel compiled and wimped out installing one in Synaptic
[08:37] <Arnia> holycow: Definitely. And I'm going to work towards that aim myself :)
[08:37] <dazed|> dreamer3: sorry but u know what im talking about ...is it gnome-conf? or what is it?
[08:37] <Xgates> its passed my better Slacker judgement
[08:37] <Xgates> LMAO
[08:37] <Reblended> is it ez to learn to program in ubuntu ?
[08:38] <Sp4rKy> arnia, i see the cvs ook, thx
[08:38] <Dreamer3> Reblended: yep, ubuntu programming is easy *laughs*
[08:38] <ac-id> is it recommended to dist-upgrade from a maintenance shell?
[08:38] <EvilIdler> Reblended: Exactly as easy as any form of Unix or Linux or..
[08:38] <Dreamer3> dazed|: i don't know what you're talking about
[08:38] <Dreamer3> ac-id: not a bad idea
[08:38] <Reblended> Dreamer3, I just wanna learn, EvilIdler how to program
[08:38] <Arnia> Reblended: Learn python :)
[08:38] <Dreamer3> Reblended: ruby :)
[08:38] <Arnia> Python! ;)
[08:38] <claint> lol
[08:39] <Amaranth> Screw Ruby. :)
[08:39] <EvilIdler> Reblended: Start with Python AND Ruby :)
[08:39] <Dreamer3> Reblended: though real men only write in assembler for sparc
[08:39] <Arnia> ;)
[08:39] <Amaranth> Python > *
[08:39] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[08:39] <Reblended> Arnia, I can compile python?
[08:39] <Amaranth> Nope.
[08:39] <Amaranth> You can't compile Ruby either.
[08:39] <Xgates> holycow, you know I took out a few things from the kernel that should of had nothing to do with the compile and it failed, SO something I'm not doing right, but from what I was told is that apt-get linux-source is patched and ready to go with that cramfs that seems to be the issue
[08:39] <Arnia> Amaranth: Doesn't psyco compile it?
[08:39] <Reblended> Dreamer3, EvilIdler I heard that a programmers keyboard has a 1, a 0 and a return key
[08:39] <Amaranth> Or Perl, or PHP, etc.
[08:39] <Amaranth> Arnia: Kind of, that's a tricky edge case.
[08:39] <Dreamer3> Xgates: yes, you need cramfs if you want to use ubuntu's initrd
[08:40] <EvilIdler> Reblended: It's true. We develop very good finger-muscles, and can type faster than on normal keyboards.
[08:40] <Dreamer3> Reblended: and ctrl-alt-del for those few windows programmers
[08:40] <Xgates> well I think its installed by default
[08:40] <Arnia> Don't need to compile anyway
[08:40] <claint> Reblended: no return key needed
[08:40] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# cramfsck
[08:40] <Xgates> usage: cramfsck [-hv]  [-x dir]  file
[08:40] <Xgates> yeah its in here
[08:40] <Reblended> claint, ah,, just wordwrap
[08:40] <Dreamer3> Xgates: you need the support in the kernel though
[08:41] <Dreamer3> Xgates: to use their initrd (which you may not need - not sure) haven't heard a lot of talk about building your own kernel :)
[08:41] <Dreamer3> i'd love to see a CK kernel nicely packaged :)
[08:41] <claint> Reblended: no, you just put in the binary for return.
[08:41] <Xgates> Dreamer3, ahh maybe thats it then, I dont recall seeing cramfs support in there, do you know where it is?
[08:41] <Reblended> how many levels is linux above machine code? windows is something like 13? claint, Dreamer3 , EvilIdler
[08:41] <claint> levels?
[08:41] <Reblended> claint, agreed
[08:41] <EvilIdler> Reblended: Err..what?
[08:41] <Dreamer3> assembler, C, linux?
[08:41] <Dreamer3> 1 level? *laughs*
[08:41] <Reblended> interpreters between machine language... there are levels, claint  EvilIdler
[08:41] <EvilIdler> Reblended: You program Windows in the same languages as Linux, generally
[08:41] <claint> Reblended: there are no levels. there are programming language levels.
[08:42] <Jerub> I have a choice of buying whatever wireless card I want. What's the best supported wireless pcmcia device under ubuntu?
[08:42] <Reblended> oh ok
[08:42] <Amaranth> Reblended: Those all get compiled down to machine code, no levels.
[08:42] <Reblended> I heard Netgear worked well?
[08:42] <Reblended> Amaranth, IC!
[08:42] <Reblended> Amaranth,  so why is windoze so slow?
[08:42] <Reblended> it's bulky
[08:43] <Amaranth> Reblended: Heh, featuritis.
[08:43] <Reblended> right, Amaranth
[08:43] <Arnia> Featuritis and lack of a coherent modularisation == lots of code duplication and messy call paths
[08:43] <Amaranth> The NT kernel is one of the best there is, it's just all that crap on top that makes it suck.
[08:43] <beserka> ello ello ello
[08:43] <holycow> Reblended, i've also followed ms and they want to be in every business associated with computers
[08:43] <Reblended> holycow, buy up or crush
[08:44] <holycow> they want windows in everything including toasters
[08:44] <claint> damn, especially toasters
[08:44] <holycow> and its just not going to work
[08:44] <Amaranth> The NT kernel had better be good, they hired the best of the best from the VMS devs to write it.
[08:44] <Reblended> windows in toasters? to see it cooking? holycow
[08:44] <holycow> claint, nothing worse than a bsod on a dark brown toasty setting
[08:44] <pussfeller> they want your neurohacks and implants to run windows
[08:44] <claint> i dont know what kinna sick obsession the microsoft got with toasters.
[08:44] <Xgates> ok this says its all patched --> linux-source-2.6.11 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.11 with Ubuntu patches
[08:44] <Amaranth> pussfeller: BSOD takes on a new meaning.
[08:44] <holycow> pussfeller, *shhh* thats supposed to be a secret
[08:44] <Xgates> maybe I should try 2.6.11
[08:44] <claint> they always come up with toasters somehow.
[08:45] <holycow> thats the last step before they convert us into borg drones
[08:45] <Xgates> what so there is a cramfs option in the kernel?
[08:45] <Amaranth> Xgates: You don't want 2.6.11
[08:45] <Xgates> cant say I remember seeing that
[08:45] <claint> once i had a phone interview with a microsoft guy.
[08:45] <Xgates> hmm
[08:45] <Arnia> Amaranth: the problem as I see it is that the kernel is buried very deep, and everything else kinda impinges. *looked at a layer diagram of the Windows OS stack and it scared me*
[08:45] <claint> he asked me if was in charge, how would i design a toaster.
[08:45] <Amaranth> Arnia: Linux is no better there.
[08:45] <holycow> claint, you interviewing them or vice versa?
[08:45] <holycow> ah
[08:45] <Xgates> Amaranth, yeah now that you mention it, hehe all the different versions 2.6.11.1 --- 2.6.11.7
[08:45] <holycow> haha really?
[08:45] <holycow> thats funny :)
[08:45] <Xgates> I mean talk about alot of updates on a kernel
[08:46] <holycow> http://www.caltechvsmit.com/  <-- this is really funny
[08:46] <Amaranth> Arnia: Kernel, <other stuff>, X, xlib, GTK, GNOME
[08:46] <Arnia> Amaranth: True... but at least the code seems more maintainable. (note: seems)
[08:46] <Xgates> Amaranth, is there a option for cramfs in the kernel thats patched from Ubuntu?
[08:46] <Jerub> ...
[08:46] <Xgates> maybe thats why I cant get this thing to work
[08:46] <Arnia> Amaranth: and they're distinct layers... in Windows you have some of the layers that jump lower layers
[08:46] <Amaranth> and that's just a general overview, not counting the project utopia stack or any of the layers in GNOME
[08:47] <claint> holycow : yeah. and couple days before that we were passing through a MS presentation, i think they were presenting their .net for the first time or womething. again, examples were all toasters.
[08:47] <Arnia> (DirectX being a great example of that... although there they have some reason)
[08:47] <Arnia> Well... reason I can see of course ;)
[08:47] <claint> toaster this, toaster that. i had enough of it.
[08:47] <Arnia> claint: I'll buy you a linux toaster
[08:47] <Amaranth> ok, no more MS bashing
[08:47] <AcidWolf> i crapped my pants one day i left my laptop on overnight and when i checked it the next morning i had BSOD until i realised i had screensaver set to random and the bloody thing decided to throw BSOD on ha ha ha vey funny O_o
[08:47] <Arnia> Or Symbian
[08:47] <Amaranth> The .NET Framework is really nice, though
[08:47] <Arnia> Amaranth: Agreed... very very well designed
[08:47] <pussfeller> all a toaster needs is a wifi interface and a web interface
[08:48] <holycow> claint, your kidding?  thats so quaint
[08:48] <holycow> rofl!
[08:48] <pussfeller> not a friggin windows os
[08:48] <claint> Arnia: that is what i said, so i never heard another job interview from MS again.
[08:48] <Arnia> Amaranth: Should be... it was conceived of by MS Research, who are cool
[08:48] <Amaranth> Arnia: Yeah, thank Sun for the design. ;)
[08:49] <Arnia> Amaranth: No... the design of the architecture is obviously heavily influenced by people like SPJ (the guy who created Haskell and maintains the open-source GHC)
[08:49] <Arnia> Its those bits I go mmm about :)
[08:49] <Amaranth> Arnia: I meant C#.
[08:49] <Dre> hello
[08:49] <claint> anyway gotta go.
[08:50] <Arnia> Amaranth: Well, that's just one language. I like the fact that they considered programming language semantic theory when designing the CLR
[08:50] <Arnia> Amaranth: It really shows... and its really cool :)
[08:50] <Reblended> Reblended,  has  PIII  I need i386.iso?
[08:50] <Amaranth> Arnia: It might really show in 2.0 but in 1.0 you basically had C# and things that worked like it.
[08:50] <holycow> Arnia, i agree, except for one tiny little fact they leave out of the brochures
[08:50] <Dreamer3> is the hoary live CD many levels above the warty live CD?
[08:50] <holycow> it ties you in to windows
[08:51] <Amaranth> holycow: mono
[08:51] <holycow> funny how they never mention that
[08:51] <Arnia> Amaranth: No... tailcalls are in 1.0
[08:51] <holycow> Amaranth, lol, watch that get bitchslapped around by their patent lawyers
[08:51] <ubuntu_> Hello again
[08:51] <Arnia> Amaranth: Look at the number of functional languages ending up in .Net
[08:51] <holycow> it will be a slapping like you've never seen before
[08:51] <holycow> hehe :)
[08:51] <Amaranth> holycow: Watch Novell fight until MS backs down.
[08:52] <ubuntu_> I've just run top and 490Mb of RAM is being used. Is all of this being used, or is some of it being used for "backup"?
[08:52] <Reblended> if I have a pentiUM threee, do I need the i386 distro?
[08:52] <Arnia> holycow: Actually I see something else. They need to diversify. Their primary market is being destroyed by lawyers. Its sound business sense to make sure you can develop in another market
[08:52] <holycow> Amaranth, i just think ms is patenting the 'right pieces' around .net to make it sufficiently difficult to be 100% compatible
[08:52] <EvilIdler> holycow: EU courts just decided MS couldn't keep their APIs secret. Mono is merely a reimplementation of the C# API, plus an alternate bytecode generator
[08:52] <Reblended> holycow, I have a pentium 3, do I need the i386 distro ?
[08:52] <Amaranth> EvilIdler: C# doesn't have an API.
[08:52] <holycow> mono will probable evolve into it's own thing, the whole .net compatability i think has a zero future
[08:53] <EvilIdler> Amaranth: Isn't that whole mess considered an API?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> holycow, Mono is several different pieces, of which .net compat is only one part. In other words, Beage/Muine/Tomboy is probably safe
[08:53] <holycow> good points *nod* it's going to be a dirty fight tho, Burgundavia yeah thats what i meant about doing their own thing
[08:53] <Arnia> holycow: Most of the System.* stuff is open and unpatented
[08:53] <whiskers> i don't know how to create a deb file but i did tar and gzip a full build of gimpshop if anybody wants it on their ubuntu.....all you have to is make a directory for it and type make install
[08:53] <Arnia> holycow: The bits which aren't mono has developed reimplementations of that work on Windows
[08:53] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:53] <holycow> .net really speaks to the developers needs, if mono could address that and get crosss platform support, novell could really be a huge player in the future in the dev tools market
[08:53] <EvilIdler> MS probably have a patent on bubble sort tucked away somewhere ;)
[08:54] <poningru> question: in kubuntu what is the default root password?
[08:54] <Dreamer3> is there anything you CAN'T run remotely over X?
[08:54] <Dreamer3> can i start gnome remotely?
[08:54] <whiskers> so if anybody wants gimpshop for ubuntu just let me know
[08:54] <poningru> I installed it just now with a user name
[08:54] <holycow> EvilIdler, right next to their "isnot' patent
[08:54] <darmou> has anyone know of any good howto's for creating deployment scripts?
[08:54] <holycow> lol
[08:54] <poningru> and pasword
[08:54] <Reblended> Dreamer3, what dist do I need, I have a pIII
[08:54] <Amaranth> poningru: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:54] <holycow> i can't they patented a boolean
[08:54] <holycow> thats hillarious
[08:54] <Dreamer3> Reblended: i386
[08:54] <poningru> thnk you
[08:54] <Reblended> Dreamer3, ty
[08:54] <poningru> reading
[08:54] <holycow> boolean operator even
[08:54] <whiskers> also i finally got printing working with the ubuntu test page....and a couple of other pages if anybody is interested
[08:55] <Dstalker> does ubuntu have support for conexant modems? i cant login to internet
[08:55] <whiskers> Dstalker, yes that is what i am working a cheap linfaxmodem
[08:55] <Reblended> Dstalker, you are logged into right now?
[08:55] <EvilIdler> CUPS won't let me print with black ink
[08:55] <Dstalker> nor can i use my epson c61 printer
[08:55] <whiskers> Dstalker, for efax-gtk to go with gimpshop
[08:55] <Dstalker> im on winxp ;P
[08:55] <Dstalker> right now
[08:55] <Reblended> Dstalker, diddo
[08:56] <EvilIdler> But my black ink is almost full; it's only the colour cartridge that's out of ink
[08:56] <EvilIdler> Note: WinXP actually lets me go on in greyscale
[08:57] <whiskers> EvilIdler, you keep forgetting that winxp costs money
[08:57] <EvilIdler> whiskers: Which is paid by various employers of mine
[08:57] <whiskers> EvilIdler,  we are not impressed by people who can afford to buy all the luxuries of this world
[08:57] <EvilIdler> whiskers: I am not impewaaws with your constant bad attitude
[08:58] <Dstalker> :)) id like to have everything working on ubuntu tho especially the net and the printer
[08:58] <EvilIdler> whiskers: Impressed even
[08:58] <holycow> whiskers, whats really funny about windows, is that YOU PAY them to give your 'freedom' away
[08:58] <hilz> hi. just got ubuntu up and running. (i am using it right now! :) ). can't figure out what is the root password...can anyone help?
[08:58] <Reblended> whiskers, I've sunk enuf money into BiGate's pockets
[08:58] <Xgates> OK back to KERNEL time
[08:58] <holycow> just consider the transaction on that level, never mind that xp has lotsa cool things on it or you gotta work on it
[08:58] <ubuntu_> hilz, there isn't one
[08:58] <holycow> you are paying ms to give away  your freedom
[08:58] <Xgates> I aint letting this whip my ASS
[08:58] <hilz> ubuntu_ hmmmmmmm
[08:58] <saik0> so does spamassassin 'just work' with evolution when smamd is running?
[08:58] <holycow> i find that intriguing to say the least
[08:58] <Xgates> I think maybe initrd could be the issue
[08:58] <ubuntu_> hilz, you just enter the passwd of the user you created during installation
[08:59] <Xgates> thinking maybe I shouldnt use it
[08:59] <Xgates> hmm
[08:59] <Dstalker> hilz, i dont remember putting in a pass except the one for my username
[08:59] <hilz> ubuntu_, ic lemme try!
[08:59] <Enkidu> hey guys, im still having problems with sound
[08:59] <Xgates> has anyone here compiled their own Kernel?
[08:59] <ubuntu_> hilz, go to ubuntuguide.org for more info, and ways around it
[08:59] <whiskers> ok well if anybody wants the free build of gimpshop just let me know
[08:59] <saik0> spamd*
[08:59] <Reblended> Azureus needs java? java works ok on ubuntu?
[08:59] <hilz> ubuntu_, thanks...it worked!
[08:59] <Amaranth> hilz: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:00] <Dstalker> whiskers, where can we get that gimpshop?
[09:00] <saik0> Reblended, yes and yes
[09:00] <Sp4rKy> pleasen i'm tring to synchronise my hour with ntp, but nothing do ...
[09:00] <Amaranth> whiskers: You have a gimpshop deb? :)
[09:00] <Enkidu> Does anyone know what would cause my speakers to click when they should play sound?
[09:00] <Reblended> saik0, ty
[09:00] <whiskers> Dstalker, i have it fully built and all you have to do is type make install
[09:00] <Amaranth> whiskers: Oh :/
[09:00] <whiskers> so it is very simple but i don't know how to make a deb and i don't care
[09:00] <hilz> Amaranth, thanks...i will check that out...
[09:01] <jldugger> anyone know how i can grab a "forward port" of the 2.6.8 kernel? im having ridiculus problems here
[09:01] <whiskers> Amaranth, but if you want the build i will email it to you
[09:01] <Amaranth> whiskers: Nah, that's ok.
[09:01] <Amaranth> whiskers: I might use checkinstall to make a build later.
[09:02] <Enkidu> Or maybe what I can do to find out what the problem with the sound is?
[09:02] <whiskers> Amaranth, ok that is fine...i just wondered if anybody in here wanted it
[09:02] <saik0> the GIMPshop source is here http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 I built it, it's nice
[09:02] <AcidWolf> if you have 2 reposotories and one of them has a few of the same packages in them as another will this produce problems
[09:03] <hondje> Hi. Is there a verbose or debug switch for nautilus?
[09:03] <AcidWolf> hmmmmm
[09:03] <hondje> None in the man page
[09:04] <Sp4rKy> what's GIMPshop ?
[09:04] <Enkidu> you could check the configuration editor
[09:04] <odyssey> hondje, nautilus --help
[09:04] <hondje> odyssey: ah, much nicer, thanks :-)
[09:04] <jldugger> anyone know how to get a .deb of an individual package?
[09:05] <dazed|> btw dreamer3 it is a daemon ... so maybe it is a lil more like XP than u think
[09:05] <saik0> Sp4rKy, a hacked GIMP that changes alot of the names and locations of the tools/menus to look/feel more like photoshop
[09:06] <prego> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a friend's computer, which has an eagle-usb dsl modem. The live-cd seems to recognize and even load the kernel modules for the dsl modem. The question is, how do I configure dsl dial now?
[09:06] <Sp4rKy> saik0 ok, thx
[09:07] <whiskers> the built file is about 256megs if anybody wants it
[09:07] <jldugger> hey, my computer locks up when i reboot, and it only happens on 2.6.10. any suggestions?
[09:07] <saik0> Alright so I installed spamassassin and spamc. Is it doing anything but taking up rescources now? Do I need to configure my mail app?
[09:07] <whiskers> Arnia, it is for efax-gtk
[09:07] <dazed|> Dreamer3, btw it is a daemon...so maybe its a lil more like XP than you think ^-
[09:07] <jldugger> Arnia, some people are very attached to photoshop
[09:07] <whiskers> Arnia, you can scan in your docs and send them with efax-gtk
[09:07] <Dreamer3> dazed|: what's it's name?
[09:08] <jldugger> Arnia, so rather than learn how vastly different gimp is, they'll learn how subtly different gimp is.
[09:08] <saik0> Arnia, when you're a photoshop user for years....
[09:08] <dazed|> /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon
[09:08] <dazed|> Dreamer3, ^
[09:08] <Dreamer3> dazed|: that's the settings daemon
[09:08] <Arnia> jldugger: I know... but it doesn't make the learning curve easier because there are mismatches in the Gimp and Photoshop's models
[09:08] <dazed|> thats what i asked for
[09:08] <johnnybezak> hey guys when will there be a beagle package?
[09:08] <jldugger> arnia, simple logic isnt enough to shut such people up, you know.
[09:08] <whiskers> Arnia, that way you don't have to buy an outrageous fax machine
[09:08] <Dreamer3> dazed|: without it nothing can know what theme it needs, or what font, or what the defautl gnome app for browsing is, etc... it's nto a theme daemon :)
[09:09] <Dreamer3> dazed|: it's an "evertyhing gnome" kinda daemon :)
[09:09] <AcidWolf> anyone here using Ubuntu on PPC and have Mplayer installed cause it doesnt seem to want to work for me :(
[09:09] <Arnia> jldugger: I know... but I can still feel perplexed and vexed :)
[09:09] <dazed|> Dreamer3: gotcha i understnad...just bad choice of words i guess
[09:09] <Arnia> whiskers: heh
[09:09] <johnnybezak> AcidWolf: its an a-grade pain in the arse
[09:09] <Arnia> Beagle will be in Breezy apparently
[09:09] <AcidWolf> johnnybezak yeah tell me about it
[09:09] <johnnybezak> AcidWolf: i had it working for a while, but i just gave up
[09:09] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[09:10] <johnnybezak> AcidWolf: installed the nonfree codecs for totem
[09:10] <AcidWolf> where did you get em from and are they available for PPC
[09:10] <jldugger> Arnia, they simply yern for a photoshop clone that's cheap and works exactly the same way. GIMP has often been promoted in such a manner, much to such adopter's chagrin. for these users, photoshop will always be the measuring stick. to them, fundamental model mismatches aren't answers but excuses
[09:11] <Arnia> jldugger: I've never understood the obsession of adobe users with the 'perfection' of adobe interfaces :)
[09:11] <jldugger> me either
[09:11] <hondje> If people want it, and someone wants to make it, what's the harm? :-)
[09:11] <jldugger> half the damn UI is hidden
[09:12] <jldugger> took me forever to figure out how to draw splines with that
[09:12] <hondje> That's OSS at its finest
[09:12] <jldugger> and im still not sure how they work exactly
[09:12] <whiskers> you know one nice thing about ubuntu is that i did not have to go modify all that libusb stuff like i had to on gentoo
[09:13] <saik0> Arnia, In photoshop it took me 5 seconds to sharpen something....with the GIMP it took me 20 minutes to figure it out. GIMPshop has conviently made it 15 =\
[09:13] <whiskers> the gimpshop automatically recognized the epson scanner
[09:13] <whiskers> and i did not have to set all the hex adresses
[09:13] <Arnia> whiskers: And Gimp would do that too... since Gimpshop is Gimp with the UI code hacked about
[09:14] <whiskers> Arnia, yes correct and it did on gentoo...but the buttons are easier
[09:14] <jldugger> If GIMPshop leads to a wider spread and use of GIMP with subsequent improvements to non-gui aspects of gimp, then i consider it a win
[09:14] <Arnia> And that's why I don't think its a good idea. Its a hack of the UI code, not a modularisation to allow interface rearrangement (for which the code already exists)
[09:14] <Xgates> AHHHH
[09:14] <Xgates> theres that BASTARd ---->  <*> Compressed ROM file system support (cramfs)
[09:14] <ekwinix> is it possible to update Warty to Hoary, or will the whole installation have to be done via CD?
[09:14] <Xgates> holycow, I think this should do it for the kernel now
[09:14] <Xgates> :-)
[09:14] <jldugger> ekwinix, yes, its possible to update from warty to hoary. i did it
[09:14] <ekwinix> jldugger: can i do it via synaptic?
[09:15] <ubuntu_> Is there a GTK vector drawing program? What does Inkscape use?
[09:15] <jldugger> ekwinix, sure. its not a single click though
[09:15] <ekwinix> via mark all updates -> install
[09:15] <ekwinix> oh ok.
[09:15] <jldugger> you basicallly need to change the repositories from warty to hoary
[09:15] <subterrific> ubuntu_: Inkscape is what you want
[09:15] <jldugger> ekwinix, after all, all hoary is, is another set of repositories with newer software
[09:16] <jldugger> ubuntuguide.org
[09:16] <Arnia> ubuntu_: Inkscape is GTk/Gnome(optionally) and it edits SVG files
[09:16] <hilz> is there an html editor in the default ubuntu installation?
[09:16] <ubuntu_> Alright, thanks for all the help
[09:16] <Arnia> ubuntu_: You probably would benefit from using the CVS version if you know how to compile stuff though simply because of the massive step up it is :)
[09:17] <jldugger> has a guide to it. they mostly use command line stuff. but if you can figure out the conversion from command line to where stuff is in synaptic, its no prob. if you can't, its a very well written guide on the command line
[09:17] <subterrific> hilz: OpenOffice can export to HTML and there are several text editors like vim that can edit HTML
[09:17] <ubuntu_> Just one more question. 490Mb of my 512Mb of RAM is being used (according to top), is all of this 490Mb being used, or just there for "backup"?
[09:17] <Sp4rKy_old> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/vfs.py:4: DeprecationWarning: Module gnome.vfs is deprecated; please import gnomevfs instead
[09:17] <Sp4rKy_old>   DeprecationWarning)
[09:17] <Sp4rKy_old> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:17] <Sp4rKy_old>   File "/usr/bin/foomatic-gui", line 68, in ?
[09:17] <Sp4rKy_old>     import gtkhtml2
[09:17] <Sp4rKy_old> ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2
[09:18] <jldugger> hilz, are you perhaps looking for a What you see is what you get (wyzwyg) HTML editor?
[09:18] <subterrific> ubuntu_: most of that is probably cache, its only being "used" because nothing else is using it
[09:18] <subterrific> ubuntu_: the kernel uses as much memory as it can
[09:18] <jldugger> ubuntu_, top should say how much is in "buffers" and how much is simply "used"
[09:18] <hilz> jldugger, i just need a simple one that speeds up writing a page, like for example automaticaly creating a table....
[09:19] <hilz> jldugger, not necessarily a wysiwyg
[09:19] <ubuntu_> Oh okay 220Mb cached, great *sigh*
[09:19] <jldugger> ubuntu_,  hey, unused ram is wasted ram
[09:19] <ubuntu_> Thanks for all the help, definitely recommending Ubuntu to everyone
[09:19] <vasi> this makes no sense...the debian source pkg 'mcs', which includes mono-assemblies-base, seems to be deciding that it requires its own version of mono-assemblies-base to build
[09:19] <vasi> how did the first person build it, if you need to have it installed to build it?
[09:20] <jldugger> hilz, im not a big fan of emacs, but you might consider it if you absolutely need something on the default install.
[09:20] <Arnia> vasi: The first versions were bootstrapped from .NET's compiler... now it selfhosts
[09:20] <jldugger> vasi: how do you compile a compiler?
[09:21] <vasi> well it should builddepend on whatever intermediate compiler it uses
[09:21] <vasi> it makes no sense to builddep on itself
[09:21] <vasi> at least use an earlier version of itself
[09:21] <jldugger> it does if you can install the previous version first, and the original compiler was non-free
[09:23] <Ycros> vasi: why use an earlier version?
[09:24] <whiskers> ok...the epson scanned in the document in gimpshop and printed perfectly...well about 10%darker but very reasonale
[09:25] <whiskers> reasonable
[09:25] <vasi> Ycros, so there's a way to actually get it all built
[09:25] <whiskers> hah this is perfect...now to find a cheap linmodem
[09:25] <Gagatan> moin
[09:26] <Sp4rKy> I've issue when i try to extract GIMPshop
[09:26] <techn0brain> Hi everyone...
[09:27] <whiskers> then...dvd burning works, get fax working, sound works, i have gentoo code for the Logitech Wingpad and it works, so that is just about all there is
[09:27] <Ycros> vasi: but you can just build it off the current version
[09:27] <techn0brain> I'm having a little trouble with ubuntu 4.10 (Warty)... I have 1Gb of ram but it only detects 512Mb... What can I do?
[09:28] <subterrific> techn0brain: why not use Ubuntu 5.04?
[09:28] <vasi> Ycros, how do i get the current version if i can't build it?
[09:29] <wza> can't get apache to recognise .php files; php's installed and httpd.conf has been edited to recognise the .php extention, anthing else i missed here?
[09:29] <techn0brain> I just switched the tree from warty to hoary and am downloading the updates...
[09:29] <Ycros> vasi: err, a precompiled one obviously
[09:29] <whiskers> vasi, i have it already built if you want it but it is 256megs so it will take  a little time to download
[09:29] <vasi> whiskers, i'm on PPC
[09:29] <whiskers> vasi, oh...won't work
[09:29] <johnnybezak> will there be a package for hula in breezy
[09:29] <whiskers> vasi, this is i386 only
[09:30] <vasi> maybe i can get it from debian, and then do a nasty switcheroo
[09:30] <johnnybezak> vasI; what do you want?
[09:30] <kenny> hi guys i was wondering if anyone can help me
[09:30] <Enkidu> does anyone know what would be causing sound issues?
[09:30] <hilz> jldugger, i found screem :)
[09:31] <techn0brain> subterrific, I'm currently doing the apt-get dist-upgrade... Hope that solves the problem...
[09:31] <kenny> i cant seem to add my hard drives to My COmputer
[09:31] <techn0brain> Enkidu, you could try updating alsa and alsa-tools...
[09:31] <techn0brain> Enkidu, Also, identify first wether your soundcard uses alsa or oss
[09:31] <Ycros> vasi: it doesn't matter which version you depend on, because eventually you need something precompiled anyway
[09:31] <kenny> when i click on places and then computer none of my HDD show up
[09:32] <Ycros> vasi: so you may as well depend on the latest
[09:32] <e_machinist> Hey, I got a window here that absolutely refuses to close... any way to force it?
[09:32] <Xgates> WoOt
[09:32] <Xgates> ok here we go AGAIN  ---> root@ubuntu:/usr/src# ls
[09:32] <Xgates> kernel-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[09:32] <techn0brain> kenny Try looking on the /mnt folders....
[09:32] <Xgates> this has to be it
[09:32] <Xgates> :-)
[09:32] <kenny> i have mounted my Hdd
[09:32] <daven> e_machinist: run xkill from the console
[09:32] <kenny> i can acces them
[09:32] <techn0brain> e_machinist open a terminal and write: xkill
[09:32] <kenny> but i cant get them to show up on computer://
[09:32] <saik0> kenny, did you add them to /etc/fstab?
[09:32] <Enkidu> techn0brain: alsa is up to date, but I dont know if it is using also or oss because they both keep showing up, tho currently its set to alsa
[09:32] <kenny> yes
[09:33] <techn0brain> e_machinist then click the window and it will disappear
[09:33] <techn0brain> Enkidu What kind of soundcard do you have?
[09:33] <kenny> in warty i mounted them in /media and they showed up in computer://
[09:33] <e_machinist> Thanks techn0brain
[09:33] <whiskers> ok...well i am tired because that printer was very hard to get working on ubuntu
[09:33] <Xgates> brb
[09:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know how to make jack use the esd?
[09:33] <whiskers> foomatic-configure is broken because of some stupid cupsys notation
[09:34] <kenny> it dosnt seem to be doing it in horay
[09:34] <whiskers> and caused a great deal of difficulty
[09:34] <saik0> kenny, from what I can tell they wont show up in the Computer unless your fstab entry has the users option
[09:34] <whiskers> so i am tired today
[09:34] <techn0brain> e_machinist you are welcome... :)
[09:34] <kenny> and what does the user option look like
[09:34] <Sp4rKy> "Control file couldn't be read! at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Deb.pm line 159.
[09:34] <Sp4rKy> "
[09:34] <techn0brain> e_machinist did it work?
[09:34] <vp0005> Does anyone know if there's a way to download ndiswrapper from amd64 repos or off the new hoary cd?  I can never find it and end up just compiling from source
[09:34] <saik0> kenny, thats user, not users
[09:35] <saik0> kenny, sorry sp error
[09:35] <Sp4rKy> I'v this error message when i tri to install GIMPshop from .deb ...
[09:35] <kenny> ok now im im confused
[09:35] <e_machinist> techn0brain: to an extent, yes.
[09:35] <whiskers> i don't know why ubuntu did not use CUPS users instead of that stupid cupsys notation
[09:35] <kenny> lol
[09:35] <e_machinist> Killed the window, the process is still goin' though.
[09:35] <whiskers> but anyway it does eventually work
[09:35] <Enkidu> techn0brain: its built into my laptop, but im fairly certain its a yamaha ds-xg??
[09:36] <saik0> kenny, can I msg you?
[09:36] <techn0brain> e_machinist on a terminal write: ps aux | grep PROCESSNAME
[09:36] <whiskers> bye for now
[09:36] <kenny> saik0 i have to go but thanks for trying.
[09:36] <kenny> will u be on later
[09:36] <techn0brain> e_machinist then write: sudo kill -9 PROCESSNUMBER
[09:36] <EvilIdler> Or use pgrep and pkill
[09:36] <saik0> kennynot likely but I'm sure someone else who can help will
[09:37] <kenny> thanks anyways
[09:37] <kenny> bye yall
[09:37] <saik0> kenny, theres always ubuntuforums.org too
[09:37] <kenny> iv looked there
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> please ...
[09:37] <kenny> bye
[09:37] <vp0005> Anybody here using an Asus a2k or z80k laptop?
[09:38] <MistaED> hey, would anyone happen to have an emu10k1-tools amd64 deb package on them? :P
[09:39] <MistaED> (soundblaster live/audigy configurator)
[09:39] <nessmuk> I don't have my hoary cd here, and would like to look at xfce. Can I use the mini.iso to connect and download specific packages from the ubuntu mirrors?
[09:39] <Enkidu> techn0brain: its a yamaha YMF-744B
[09:41] <techn0brain> Enkidu what does gmix tell you?
[09:41] <techn0brain> Enkidu Can I msg you?
[09:42] <Enkidu> yes
[09:42] <subterrific> anyone here using bazaar?
[09:42] <iMeXdiAC> could anyone help me set up a network bridge wlan/ethernet as i cant get it to work or do i have to compile a kernel as the default one doesnt support that ?? im on 2.6.10
[09:43] <john> hello?
[09:43] <Enkidu> techn0brain: I'm using a cgi client, i dont know if it has messaging
[09:44] <epicenter> Can anyone explain why my /dev/dsp works GREAT for things like vlc, xmms and esd, also the sound in KDE and GNOME .. but when I try to play sound in Quake 3 or Quake 1 I don't get any? it says it can't open /dev/dsp!
[09:44] <subterrific> epicenter: probably because you're running eSounD
[09:44] <epicenter> I killed it
[09:44] <epicenter> killall esd
[09:45] <crimsun> what error is it giving?
[09:45] <subterrific> epicenter: that doesn't always fix the problem :\
[09:45] <epicenter> couldn't open /dev/dsp in the console of q1 and q3
[09:45] <epicenter> subterrific: what would?
[09:45] <techn0brain> So... Anyone can help me with my ram problem?
[09:45] <epicenter> Don't let it start?
[09:46] <subterrific> epicenter: personally i uninstall esd and restart
[09:46] <epicenter> hrm.
[09:46] <epicenter> doesn't it serve some useful purpose
[09:46] <epicenter> ?
[09:46] <\\Neo> hi, i installed kubuntu for the first time and i wonder how to configure my network... knetworkmanager isn't working. when i try to use "admin-mode" it asks for my password and then does nothing. is this a known problem?
[09:47] <subterrific> epicenter: not that i can tell. i know what it is supposed to do, but i've heard of nothing but problems
[09:47] <\\Neo> where are the network files stored in kubuntu
[09:47] <epicenter> subterrific: lovely
[09:47] <flapjackboy> morning
[09:48] <subterrific> epicenter: if you really want a replacement for esd to do network transparent audio and multichannel mixing, i suggest polypaudio
[09:48] <Reblended> I'm torrenting the i386 install... 60(530) seeds  what's this mean?
[09:49] <\\Neo> that 530 have the file and you are in queue by 60
[09:49] <subterrific> epicenter: and if all you want is the multichannel mixing, ALSA's dmix works great if you've got the time to figure out how to set it up
[09:49] <epicenter> I see.
[09:49] <flapjackboy> can anyone gimme a hand?
[09:49] <epicenter> I'm not too worried about getting multichannel audio working
[09:49] <Reblended> \\Neo, hmm. thx
[09:49] <epicenter> if I need music in a game I can just use my ipod ;)
[09:49] <lunitik> flapjackboy: maybe if you tell us whats wrong  :/
[09:49] <techn0brain> Reblended There are currently 530 seeds and you are connected to 60 of them
[09:49] <\\Neo> np
[09:50] <Reblended> techn0brain, Now I udderstand... I wonder why I can't connect to more
[09:50] <Reblended> techn0brain, law of diminishing returns?
[09:50] <lunitik> flapjackboy: you want us to guess your issue?
[09:50] <flapjackboy> lol k :) im trying to ninstall ubuntu, but the installer hates my wifi card. it sees it, but it cant connect to my router (dhcp, no encryption). i try configging it manually & it still hates it - the installer then gets stuck. my wifi card is an atheros a/b/g card
[09:51] <epicenter> flapjackboy: chipset?
[09:51] <techn0brain> Reblended Yo don't need to connect to all the seeds...
[09:51] <Reblended> techn0brain, ic, got it
[09:51] <flapjackboy> atheros
[09:51] <flapjackboy> (not sure which model though)
[09:51] <lunitik> flapjackboy: ouch... wifi stalls installer? ie you can't get past the detecting network portion?
[09:51] <epicenter> that'd be useful information
[09:51] <flapjackboy> k
[09:52] <flapjackboy> any ideas?
[09:52] <Reblended> techn0brain, am I able to upload if I don't have the complete file?
[09:52] <AndyFitz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper  anybody know where this tutorial went ?  I need to setup ndiswrapper
[09:52] <epicenter> lspci and get the card type if you can
[09:52] <crimsun> AndyFitz: use Google's cache
[09:52] <flapjackboy> i cant lspci - its during the install
[09:52] <epicenter> ctrl-alt-f3
[09:52] <epicenter> get to another console.
[09:52] <flapjackboy> k :) thanks
[09:52] <epicenter> np
[09:52] <epicenter> worth a shot
[09:52] <AndyFitz> crimsun,  yay , thanks the idea just slipped my mind
[09:52] <techn0brain> Reblended Yes you are
[09:52] <Reblended> techn0brain, sry, I need a noob torren primer, such as how I can search torrents, etc
[09:54] <techn0brain> Reblended I think this is not the place to ask for that... ;) Sorry
[09:54] <Reblended> techn0brain, didn't think so, thx, (wasn't asking for the primer her... I said I need to get one. ) =] 
[09:55] <techn0brain> Reblended Are you downloading Hoary from the Torrent?
[09:55] <Reblended> techn0brain, yep
[09:55] <Arago> hello. I want to know if there is something like winiso or the way i can do the sme thing (modify iso image)
[09:56] <techn0brain> Reblended And do you have any problem with that download?
[09:57] <bob2> Arago: no, you need to recreate the image after you modify it
[09:57] <Gagatan> hmm.. what's the story about this: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" ... <snip list of 172 packages> (hoary)
[09:57] <Reblended> hmm dc
[09:58] <Arago> bob2: ok what's the step ? how open it and how recreate ?
[09:58] <Arago> (seems like an how-to ;) !)
[09:58] <ubuntu_> How can I make a folder "hidden"?
[09:59] <ubuntu_> I'm guessing add "." to the beginning of the folder?
[09:59] <ubuntu_> But is there another method? Because I have to keep the folder as "Incomplete"
[10:00] <EvilIdler> ubuntu_: There is no true way of hiding it from yourself; it's just conventional to not list .names by default.
[10:00] <Burgundavia> Gagatan, fresh install?
[10:00] <Gagatan> Burgundavia: upgrade from warty
[10:00] <techn0brain> ubuntu_ Yes, add a . at the beginneng of the folder
[10:00] <EvilIdler> ubuntu_: To really hide it from a user, stick it inside a directory he has no access to ;)
[10:00] <Burgundavia> Gagatan, hmm
[10:00] <Burgundavia> Gagatan, odd
[10:01] <crb> yo
[10:01] <techn0brain> ubuntu_ Even better, upload your "secret" thing to a gmail account... :P
[10:01] <ubuntu_> EvilIdler, hehe, yeah. But It's not the reason, I don't want the directory there because it clutters my home dir. But I can't move it, because a program requires it there
[10:01] <crb> having random issues with gdesklets in hoary.  f/ex the weather one displays the box, but no content.  Worked fine in the RC.  Any suggestions?
[10:01] <bob2> Arago: you copy the files off it.  you do whatever you want.  then you use 'mkisofs' to recreate the image.
[10:01] <bob2> Arago: or just use nautilus to burn the directory after you change it
[10:01] <Gagatan> Burgundavia: have to attend a meeting.. I'll check more later.. any tip is good though
[10:01] <Arago> bob2: also if it is a bootable image ?
[10:02] <EvilIdler> ubuntu_: There's no chattr +secret in most filesystems, I'm afraid ;)
[10:02] <bob2> Arago: then you'll need to read the mkisofs manpage carefully, I guess
[10:02] <z0mbix> any raid experts here? having problems with raid1 during bootup
[10:02] <bob2> Arago: you're not trying to modify an ubuntu cd, are you?
[10:02] <Arago> bob2, i guess too ...
[10:03] <Arago> not bob2
[10:04] <Arago> flying to read man page ... see you later
[10:07] <crb> Anyone using the sysinfo desklet?  It displays a small box and nothing else for me.
[10:07] <Xgates> AHHH it booted, BUT just one error ---> 'ror: Temporary failure in name resolution' what would cause this in the kernel, what would I be missing?
[10:07] <Xgates> hmmm
[10:08] <bob2> the kernel doesn't know or care about hostnames
[10:08] <techn0brain> I gotta go...
[10:08] <techn0brain> Good by everyone...
[10:08] <Xgates> bob2, yes so I thougth but after compiling and booting a new kernel I got that
[10:08] <Xgates> hmm
[10:08] <techn0brain> *bye
[10:09] <Xgates> well let me do this over I needed hotplug support
[10:09] <bob2> well, ok, but it's a sign of a deepere problem
[10:09] <bob2> I wouldn't bother compiling a new kernel, tho
[10:09] <Xgates> I dont use standard kernels in a distro never have
[10:09] <johnnybezak> hey guys is there anyway i can update gecko because firefox has been crashing like 10 times a day since i updated to hoary about a month ago and its starting to drive me mad
[10:10] <bob2> Xgates: why?
[10:10] <johnnybezak> and it happens in epiph. too thats why it hought it was a gecko problem
[10:10] <crb> They don't share a common gecko.
[10:10] <Xgates> <---- Slacker
[10:10] <bob2> johnnybezak: are you using any proprietary plugins?
[10:10] <johnnybezak> well i don't know what it is, but firefox just locks up and monopolizes the cpu
[10:10] <johnnybezak> bob2: i'm using the oss flash plugin
[10:11] <bob2> johnnybezak: does getting rid of it help?
[10:11] <johnnybezak> bob2: i haven't tried
[10:11] <bob2> that's be the first thing to check
[10:11] <johnnybezak> roger im on it
[10:11] <Xgates> bob2, because to me Linux means customization and I have been running Linux to long to have installed packs I dont need bloated kernels with options I dont use, etc...
[10:12] <ubuntu> Wow, just restart Ubuntu, and bootup is lightening fast!
[10:12] <bob2> Xgates: they're really not bloated
[10:12] <bob2> I've been using linux for years, and I love distro kernels, since it's one less thing to worry about
[10:12] <bob2> but anyway ;)
[10:13] <Xgates> bob2, well I just had a look through it, and to compile it as it is by default is around 45mins on my box to use a kernel I make takes 5mins, and after I get done with configuring this box it will run faster and more stable then the default install
[10:13] <Xgates> :-)
[10:13] <saik0> heres a bit of a n00b question, is there a symlinked dir somewhere that points to your current icon set?
[10:13] <bob2> it won't be more stable
[10:14] <bob2> it might be slightly faster, but I doubt it
[10:14] <bob2> boot time'll be a bit quicker if there aren't a million modules to depmod
[10:14] <Xgates> well I have /etc/init.d edited so alot of the services I dont use are running
[10:14] <crb> Xgates: 45 mins will compile all the modles
[10:14] <Xgates> so yes my bootup is alot faster
[10:14] <crb> if you never load them there is no slowdown
[10:15] <bob2> crb: there's depmod delay
[10:15] <bob2> and hotplug is slow
[10:17] <oscarh> hi! is thera anyone wha has problem with wlan activating itself for no reason?
[10:17] <bob2> 'activating itself'?
[10:17] <oscarh> yeah
[10:18] <oscarh> if i've been using it and then run ifdown ath0
[10:18] <oscarh> it goes something like ten minutes and then it's activated
[10:18] <bob2> activated = the interface is up?
[10:18] <Xgates> bob2, well its not so much about another thing not to worry about, it's more like knowing how to use Linux to its full extent and have a system that works and learning how to use it with not many problems
[10:19] <oscarh> yes
[10:19] <bob2> I like to think I know how to use linux to it's full extent ;)
[10:19] <Xgates> thats why all the ppl that are using Linux like M$ are having all the problems not learning how to use it, and configure it
[10:19] <bob2> sure, but configuring your kernel is not something you need to do
[10:19] <bob2> since the default should work in all circumstances
[10:20] <Xgates> bob2, no none of it is BUT it teaches you
[10:20] <AlohaWolf> Xgates, linux is only complex if you want it to be.
[10:20] <oscarh> bob2, did you have any idea?
[10:20] <bob2> hah, that's very true
[10:20] <bob2> oscarh: I'd check if dhclient's running the background
[10:21] <Xgates> AlohaWolf, yeah thats why you have 100's of guys in here all day with questions BECAUSE its not complex
[10:21] <Xgates> LMAO
[10:21] <Xgates> oh please
[10:21] <Xgates> hehe
[10:21] <bob2> Xgates: most of the stuff people ask about in here are mor or less bugs
[10:21] <AlohaWolf> most people in here are asking complicated questions
[10:21] <Xgates> yea bugs too
[10:21] <bob2> either in them for not reading the documentation, or in ubuntu not doing something automatically
[10:21] <Kinsei> how do you solve Euler's last theorem?
[10:22] <Xgates> but I know alot of them have to do with ppl that dont really know how to use a Linux system and configure it, compile, etc...
[10:22] <Xgates> Unix Sys Admin ....
[10:22] <lamer1> I have a problem with my NIC. I've just installet Ubuntu and it does not recognize my NIC. lspci outputs Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Ethernet Controller
[10:22] <Xgates> etc....
[10:22] <lamer1> sk98lin.ko <-- does not work
[10:22] <bob2> "does not work"?
[10:22] <resmo> hi
[10:23] <bob2> Xgates: you think anyone using linux should learn to become a sysadmin?
[10:23] <raghu> lamer1: it recognized so it is showing over thee?
[10:23] <raghu> lamer1: it recognized so it is showing over there
[10:23] <resmo> i've got a strange thing about realplayer,
[10:23] <lamer1> raghu, no it did not recognize :(
[10:23] <resmo> i isntalled realplayer, and everything went through
[10:23] <raghu> lamer1: yo are using static or dhcp
[10:23] <oscarh> bob2, thanx, stupid me have been using ifconfig and a poorlf configured ifdown :(
[10:23] <Xgates> bob2, sorry my bad I meant to type understanding some basic System administration is what I meant
[10:24] <resmo> but i can't start it, only if gnome meeting runs
[10:24] <resmo> ?
[10:24] <Xgates> learning your way around, cmds, etc....
[10:24] <lamer1> raghu, ifconfig does not display anything
[10:24] <resmo> any ideas what the problem could be?
[10:24] <Xgates> not a Sys Admin I mean
[10:24] <Xgates> hehe
[10:24] <Xgates> ok brb ---> kernel-image-2.6.10_1_i386.deb
[10:24] <Xgates> off to boot that
[10:24] <Xgates> :0
[10:25] <raghu> you have to edit /etc/network/interface or go to system>>administration>>networking
[10:25] <lamer1> raghu, the problem is at the drivers I think
[10:25] <Kinsei> is there an equivalent of debian unstable for ubuntu? or do I have to wait 6 months to get anything new?
[10:25] <lamer1> because I load sk98lin
[10:25] <raghu> can you cat /etc/network/interface
[10:25] <lamer1> /sbin/ifconfig eth0 cant fetch the device :(
[10:25] <raghu> what it shows
[10:25] <bob2> Kinsei: er, of course, the unstable branch of ubuntu.
[10:25] <bob2> Kinsei: breezy, when it's created sometime soon
[10:26] <Kinsei> so there isn't one at the moment?
[10:26] <lamer1> raghu, just a sec coz it is on other computer :( I have to go phsically there
[10:26] <bob2> Kinsei: hoary came out two days ago, the distro team is still hungover
[10:26] <wza> can anyone with a working LAMP setup post his httpd.conf pleez?
[10:26] <lamer1> raghu, /etc/network/interfaces has only iface loopback
[10:26] <Ubuntu> Hello. I booted up Ubuntu and found there's no graphical GRUB or Graphical bootup. Is this normal, or have I broken something?
[10:27] <wza> http://www.hashphp.org/pastebin
[10:27] <raghu> lamer1: is ifconfig showing loopback
[10:27] <bob2> wza: there's nothing to post
[10:27] <lamer1> raghu, jup
[10:27] <lamer1> loopback i fine
[10:27] <bob2> wza: just install linux, apache, mysql and perl
[10:27] <paulproteus> s/linux/Ubuntu/
[10:27] <raghu> lamer1: okay...
[10:27] <wza> all done, can't load php module, it's gvin me an error on startup apache
[10:28] <raghu> lamer1: vi /etc/network/interface
[10:28] <bob2> wza: paste the error to #flood
[10:28] <Seveas> wza: apt-get install php4-apache (oslt)
[10:28] <paulproteus> wza: What error does it give you?  You should find that error in the /var/log/apache/error.log
[10:28] <raghu> lamer1: add
[10:28] <whiskers> i do have two suggestions left...first finish the menu editor...and second gocr definitely needs some work
[10:28] <raghu> lamer1: auto th0
[10:28] <lamer1> auto eth0
[10:28] <lamer1> ???
[10:28] <wza> Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: unixd_config
[10:28] <lamer1> just that ...?
[10:28] <raghu> lamer1: iface eth0 inet static
[10:28] <raghu> lamer1: address IP
[10:28] <lamer1> raghu, thnx
[10:28] <whiskers> gocr does not translate too well
[10:29] <bob2> wza: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood, please
[10:29] <raghu> lamer1: netmask 255.....of you are network
[10:29] <bob2> wza: note #flood is not this channel
[10:29] <paulproteus> wza: Did you use the packages?
[10:29] <raghu> lamer1: then /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:29] <wza> i had apt-get do everything
[10:30] <raghu> lamer1: if not works we will see by looking at drivers
[10:30] <paulproteus> wza: What packages did you install?  dpkg -l | grep apache.
[10:30] <paulproteus> But paste the contents in #flood, not here.
[10:31] <bob2> wza: 18:28:59           bob2 | wza: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood, please
[10:32] <raghu> lamer1: any luck dude?
[10:33] <johnnybezak> hey guys im having a problem with snes9x, when i try and load a rom nothing pops up
[10:33] <johnnybezak> no video or sound
[10:34] <lamer1> raghu, nah
[10:34] <lamer1> raghu, I think the problem is sk98lin module
[10:34] <lamer1> the module is loaded but it does not bring eth0 up
[10:34] <lamer1> :(
[10:36] <raghu> lamer1: cat /etc/network/interface
[10:37] <lamer1> raghu,
[10:37] <lamer1> auto eth0
[10:37] <lamer1> iface eth0 inet static
[10:37] <lamer1> address 10.0.0.252
[10:37] <lamer1> netmask 255.255.255.0
[10:39] <Gavrila> Hi there, I've got a problem mounting a vfat partition (not a noob question) http://pastebin.com/269911   to see my problem
[10:40] <VladDrac> which kernel?
[10:40] <raghu> lamer1: /etc/init.d/networking restart what it says?
[10:40] <lamer1> raghu, restarting network interfaces [ ok ] 
[10:41] <raghu> lamer1: i thik it is fine
[10:41] <lamer1> raghu,  :(
[10:41] <raghu> lamer1: ifconfig what it says..?
[10:41] <lamer1> raghu, just lo
[10:42] <lamer1> I have to download new sk98lin drivers
[10:42] <venkman> xquery is a big nasty hack
[10:42] <venkman> just fyi
[10:42] <lamer1> is the kernel source distributed with the ubuntu install  cd ?
[10:43] <VladDrac> I guess gavrilla wants help without answering questions
[10:44] <raghu> lamer1: http://www.gpltarragona.org/node/view/335
[10:44] <raghu> lamer1: check this
[10:45] <venkman> i have become, comfortably numb
[10:46] <raghu> lamer1: dude u there?
[10:46] <raghu> lamer1: can you do this
[10:46] <raghu> lamer1: modprobe sk98lin
[10:46] <raghu> lamer1: http://techgoesboom.com/archives/2004/11/01/belkin_f5d5005_on_ubuntu.php
[10:46] <Gavrila> VladDrac: 2.6.11.7
[10:47] <whiskers> i think this system is almost as good as win98....but for much cheaper....the only thing really missing is dvd players, mp3 stuff, and ocr in win98 is better.
[10:47] <Gavrila> VladDrac: sorry pal I was afk
[10:47] <raghu> lamer1: ??
[10:47] <VladDrac> gavrilla ah ok, had the same problem with 2.6.11.6, it disappeared when I reverted to the ubuntu 2.6.10-5
[10:48] <VladDrac> (it's not fat related)
[10:48] <Gavrila> VladDrac: I can't revert since I need the updated tulip module
[10:48] <Gavrila> otherwise I couldn't use my eth
[10:48] <resmo> whiskers: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and delete the #
[10:48] <whiskers> resmo, no..i don't want to break the law
[10:48] <VladDrac> gavrilla well, it's a bug in 2.6.11 I think - perhaps there are patches or else at least report it so it gets fixed
[10:48] <resmo> whiskers: which law?
[10:49] <Gavrila> it's not a 2.6.11 bug since I used it in my previuos debian install flawlessly
[10:49] <whiskers> the DMCA and patents and copyrights
[10:49] <lamer1> raghu, srr dude because the pc is in the other office
[10:49] <lamer1> I have to go all the time physically
[10:49] <whiskers> and Patriot Act mess
[10:49] <Gavrila> so it's rather an ubuntu bug
[10:49] <whiskers> but i think it is very reasonable system for the price
[10:49] <lamer1> raghu, I think the problem is at the sk98lin driver that comes with ubuntu
[10:50] <lamer1> dmesg displays:
[10:50] <whiskers> and very usable
[10:50] <lamer1> sk98lin: SkGeInitAssignRamToQueues faild
[10:50] <resmo> whiskers: lol, who says you break the law when you add mp3-support, i think ubuntu breaks the law when they ship out ubunut whit mp3-support by default!
[10:50] <lamer1> and when I rmmod sk98lin I get a segfault
[10:50] <venkman> whiskers, do you lick?
[10:51] <bestadvocate> quick question: what folder does apt-get store the insalation files in?
[10:51] <whiskers> resmo, well mp3s don't work here...so i can't say they broke the law....of course audacity does break the law....and should be recompiled but maybe they did not know this
[10:51] <Gavrila> is mount anyway pathced by ubuntu?
[10:51] <wezzer-> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:52] <whiskers> resmo, i think audacity should be recompiled for ogg and flac
[10:52] <whiskers> resmo, instead of mp3 and wav
[10:52] <resmo> whiskers: if you edit the sources and install gstreamer-allmodules it works fine!
[10:52] <whiskers> resmo, i don't want to break the law....that is my choice...i don't impose it on others
[10:52] <bestadvocate> nm looks like var/cache
[10:53] <whiskers> resmo, i don't like the law...but i don't wish to violate it
[10:53] <bestadvocate> say anyone know how to mess with those defaults (max space usage for var/cache, and location for the folder)?
[10:53] <resmo> whiskers: i still think you won't break the law if you add mp3 support but do what you want :)
[10:54] <whiskers> resmo, well i don't need mp3 support...i have ogg support and there are some free musicians that host their ogg files around....so i  don't need to break the law
[10:54] <NeoSadist> thanks for ubuntu.  the live cd contains korean language, which makes giving it to koreans i meet here in south korea much easier to introduce them to linux.
[10:54] <raghu> lamer1: okay
[10:54] <bestadvocate> whiskers: I re-ripped my entire 300 plus cd collection to OGGs :-)
[10:55] <raghu> lamer1: but you read the two urls i pasted?
[10:55] <whiskers> bestadvocate, you are not the only one...this guy the other day ripped 2000 ogg files
[10:55] <lamer1> raghu, yup
[10:55] <lamer1> raghu, the ubuntu is loading the module fine
[10:55] <lamer1> but I think the module fails
[10:55] <lamer1> so I have to install new drivers
[10:56] <raghu> lamer1: okay
[10:56] <resmo> bestadvocate: there are also some tools, like mp3ogg which can do that
[10:56] <lamer1> raghu, does the kernel source comes with the install cd ?
[10:56] <bestadvocate> the worst is dealing with the stuff I dont have origional cds for anymore (lots of my cds are starting to fall apart)
[10:56] <lamer1> because I have to think of the way how to put kernel source on the PC ( no NIC :( )
[10:57] <whiskers> bestadvocate, well at least the wd usb hard drives work so you can always store them to an external hard drive and only power it up when you need to access them
[10:57] <bestadvocate> resmo:mp3ogg is a hasle unless you spend time figureing out how to combine commands to make the program usable easily
[10:57] <resmo> :)
[10:57] <bestadvocate> lol whiskers: i can cant afford that stuff.  its burn or kiss my crap goodbye
[10:57] <raghu> lamer1: you have hoary or warty?
[10:57] <whiskers> bestadvocate, it is cheaper than blank dvds
[10:58] <bestadvocate> whiskers: an external harddrive?
[10:58] <bestadvocate> whiskers: linky!!
[10:58] <whiskers> bestadvocate, yes...so you don't have to keep it on..that way it should last longer
[10:58] <lamer1> raghu, horay
[10:58] <lamer1> raghu, hoary
[10:58] <\sh> morning
[10:59] <bestadvocate> usually external harddrives run around 60-300 bucks right?
[10:59] <whiskers> bestadvocate, i have seen them for $60 and two packs of blank dvds also cost about $80
[10:59] <raghu> lamer1: i think it will have ...but for other images of kernel you should do apt-get
[11:00] <bestadvocate> i only pay like 10 cence per blank
[11:00] <whiskers> bestadvocate, so it is your choice
[11:00] <EvilIdler> An external firewire bay is relatively cheap around here. Just buy any regular 3.5" harddrive to go with it.
[11:00] <bestadvocate> welp time to do more hw
[11:02] <Dreamer3> ok
[11:02] <Dreamer3> don't debin come installed with some kinda of "thin" font for console use?
[11:02] <Dreamer3> ie, not the usual double, but rather single pixel font?
[11:09] <robin_> Why can't I edit documents which are on a samba share ? (e.g with openoffice.org) I have first to copy them to local space, and afterwards copy them back to the share
[11:11] <saik0> robin_, mounted with smbmount/cifs?
[11:13] <paulfox> should directories added to the "Shared folders" tool show up in my windows network?
[11:16] <saik0> paulfox, do you have samba installed?
[11:17] <paulfox> saik0, yeah. i've added the directory using smb
[11:19] <saik0> paulfox, then yes, it should
[11:19] <saik0> paulfox, as far as I know anyways, I dont use smb
[11:19] <paulfox> when i browse to the network place, then open my machine ("spotlight"), it's empty
[11:20] <paulfox> can people with windows boxes access my shared folder if it's using nfs?
[11:20] <saik0> paulfox, nope, not nfs
[11:20] <paulfox> saik0, right ok, thanks.
[11:20] <paulfox> hmmm, i wonder why i can't see my files over the network. it's definately added with smb
[11:21] <saik0> paulfox, check your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[11:22] <paulfox> saik0, anything in particular i'm looking for in there? i've never dealt with samba before
[11:25] <saik0> Well for one make sure the share is in there...I've never used the "Shared Folders" GUI, but maybe the samba server needs to be restarted
[11:25] <\sh> hmmm
[11:25] <paulfox> saik0, yeah it's there, and i've restarted. i don't see any reason why it wouldn't work now. weird
[11:25] <\sh> can't login onto ubuntulinux website...
[11:25] <\sh> strange
[11:25] <paulfox> saik0, whats the command line for listing samba shares?
[11:26] <paulfox> saik0, is it smbclient?
[11:26] <saik0> paulfox, no thats the client, we're dealing with the server
[11:26] <saik0> paulfox, the shares are in /etc/smb.conf
[11:26] <paulfox> saik0, right. heh, i need to brush up on this :)
[11:27] <kzm> Is it possible to run Hoary with kernel 2.4?
[11:27] <paulfox> it's definately in the smb.conf, but nautilus can't see it. how would the client access it from a command line?
[11:27] <MyNameIsChris> kzm, No
[11:28] <MyNameIsChris> kzm, I understand things like udev would mess it up
[11:28] <saik0> paulfox, confused. the client being the rmote machine?
[11:28] <kzm> Okay, thanks.
[11:28] <kzm> Anybody else using Reiserfs?
[11:28] <xcsd> me
[11:29] <kzm> Works okay?  smooth response?
[11:29] <paulfox> saik0, on the same machine. i've added it on my laptop, and i want other machines to access it through our router - but i'm just trying to see if i can see it first
[11:29] <_cowboy> here also reiserfs
[11:29] <erich> anyone using "flumotion"?
[11:29] <paulfox> saik0, or can't i see it /because/ i'm on the same machine/
[11:29] <paulfox> ?
[11:29] <kzm> Response is jumpy/laggy for me, and I can't figure out why.
[11:30] <kzm> Non-standard stuff is reiser on devmapper...seems far-fetched, though.
[11:30] <saik0> paulfox, dont think thats the case, try doing sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[11:30] <paulfox> saik0, yeah done that. no errors or anything
[11:31] <ruffian> Hi
[11:31] <paulfox> the samba log for my machine says "unable to open printcap file in /etc/printcap for read. but would that stop the share from operating properly?
[11:31] <saik0> paulfox ::shrug:: Like I said, I dont use SMB, I'm kinda just guessing
[11:32] <ruffian> Could someone please tell me what are the following respo. are for:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[11:32] <ruffian> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[11:32] <ruffian> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main ?
[11:32] <paulfox> saik0, ahh yeah. sorry. thanks for helping anyway, much appreciated
[11:32] <saik0> well, back to painfully creating a firefox theme
[11:33] <thenuke> ruffian: surf in there and you shall see
[11:33] <saik0> there should definetly be an easier way to do this >_<
[11:34] <Burgundavia> ruffian, things that Ubuntu cannot legally distribute. Such as libdvdcss2
[11:34] <Burgundavia> ruffian, for hoary, all you need is unstable
[11:34] <ruffian> Just wondering because apt-get update is saying The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:34] <ruffian> i see
[11:35] <ruffian> I wan'ted to make sure, it wouldn't break my system or something
[11:35] <ruffian> Thanks
[11:37] <ruffian> The following packages have been kept back:
[11:37] <ruffian>   libavcodec2
[11:37] <ruffian> why would that be?
[11:38] <ruffian> i tried dist-upgrade still same message
[11:38] <thenuke> ruffian: try apt-get install libacodec2 and you will dig more deeper into the cause of it being not installed
[11:39] <ruffian> ok
[11:40] <ruffian> Ah right, Thank you
[11:40] <ruffian> :)
[11:40] <thenuke> you're welcome
[11:41] <mercurus> whee ! only 50 MB to go and I will have apt-get'ted my way to Hoary
[11:41] <saik0> hmm, when I import an svg into GIMP thats being resized into a tiny version it wont do it in any way that looks nice =(
[11:41] <robin_> saik0 just though nautilus
[11:42] <Seveas> mercurus, and then it has to install all the packages
[11:42] <Seveas> takes a lot of time too :)
[11:42] <ruffian> bbl
[11:42] <mercurus> Seveas, indeed ... but its still a lot closer than I was this time yesterday :)
[11:43] <beserka> Hey question from a Linux N00b: I just installed Bittorrent how do I get it to work?
[11:43] <amsaarel> Hi..Awesome distro, only complaint is that NTFS filesystems don't seem to work by default..Could you add eg "Captive NTFS" to Ubuntu default install..? It's a wrapper for using the Windows NTFS driver on Linux, apparently pretty stable
[11:43] <mercurus> I'm on 128 kbps ISDN ... but I got a mate to download the install ISO for me, and I'm just updating all the packages I've installed that aren't part of the main distribution
[11:44] <mjg59> amsaarel: We don't have permission to distribute the code it requires
[11:45] <Choubaka> gmm
[11:45] <Choubaka> hmm*
[11:45] <amsaarel> hmm..You mean the code in Windows or something else..? Couldn't you just autodetect it from the hard drive or something..
[11:46] <amsaarel> or is the Captive system itself on some weird license?
[11:46] <Guerin> amsaarel: the reason ntfs writes don't work by default is a windows issue, not an ubuntu issue
[11:46] <fsapo> morning :) anyone here knows how to install a parallel port scanner on ubuntu? its an old one =/
[11:46] <Guerin> you're complaining that your new hybrid car doesn't run on kerosene
[11:46] <amsaarel> yeah, but even ntfs mount seems to crash my computer the first time I tried it..
[11:46] <amsaarel> I'm not _complaining_ really, I'm just suggesting :)
[11:47] <beserka> Hey question from a Linux N00b: I just installed Bittorrent how do I get it to work?
[11:47] <amsaarel> It really is a great Linux distro
[11:47] <mjg59> amsaarel: There's all sorts of really awkward legal questions about automatically copying stuff from the Windows partition
[11:47] <xcsd> yes, but the root account just sux
[11:48] <fsapo> please any ideas to how install a scanner? :(
[11:48] <amsaarel> Maybe..but if you just somehow bootstrap a _read_ of NTFS.SYS you don't even need to copy it..Well ok, I haven't looked into the new copyright laws in USA, maybe those could really be problematic .. :/
[11:49] <mjg59> amsaarel: The Windows EULA forbids you from using Windows code under anything other than Windows, so an installer that violates your agreement with Microsoft would be legally... interesting
[11:49] <amsaarel> hmm ok I see..
[11:49] <Choubaka> hmm.
[11:50] <amsaarel> I guess then we'll need to wait until someone reverse engineers it..
[11:50] <saik0> mercurus. this might help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21195&highlight=captive+ntfs
[11:50] <Choubaka> is that kind of a restriction enforceable in court?
[11:51] <Choubaka> MS' EULA has a lot of weird shit one can safely just ignore.
[11:51] <Choubaka> IANAL though. :p
[11:51] <mjg59> Choubaka: It may well not be. I'd rather not be sued over it in order to find out.
[11:54] <Choubaka> mjg59: heh :p
[11:58] <sir_latin> hey, what are the recommended comp specs for hoardy hedgegog?
[11:58] <HiddenWolf> pentium one 50mhz :)
[11:59] <HiddenWolf> fyi: joke
[11:59] <mercurus> a question ... when you apt-get dist-upgrade and packages are removed, are they simply removed or purged ?
[11:59] <HiddenWolf> they are removed
[11:59] <Guerin> is the hoary i386 livecd known-faulty? I've burned two and they both fail to boot at the same point (load installer components from cd)
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> after a dist upgrade autoclean is a good idea
[12:00] <Guerin> the md5 of my image is correct, no problems with the burn
[12:00] <saik0> HiddenWolf, my roomate was wondering why his mac was so slow, I looked into it for him. Turns out it's cuz it's the 700 Mhz processor
[12:00] <mercurus> HiddenWolf, that'll clean out cruft ?
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> Guerin, It should work great
[12:00] <EddieX> Why cant i go to applications:/// ?
[12:00] <Guerin> hrm, well, it doesn't
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> mercurus, at the very least your package cache, which is likely to be considerable. You can also check for residual configs in synaptic
[12:01] <HiddenWolf> saik0, 256mb+ of ram helps. gnome is a memory hog.
[12:01] <mercurus> it is more the residual configs I'm worried about
[12:01] <ubuntu> Hello, is there a single dir where all logs are kept?
[12:01] <HiddenWolf> mercurus, check with the status tab in synaptic, have to go now.
[12:01] <HiddenWolf> ubuntu, /var/logs
[12:01] <saik0> HiddenWolf, he's running OS X lol
[12:02] <saik0> on a 700 Mhz eMac with 128 MB of RAM
[12:02] <webtoe> saik0: try using ICEWm and see if it runs sharpish on that
[12:02] <Amaranth> EddieX: Trying to edit your menus?
[12:02] <webtoe> then you'll know its just GNOME being a hog (it is on my 128mb laptop)
[12:03] <Guerin> bah
[12:03] <Xappe> saik0: i totally removed osx on my ibook g3 700 with 256 ram. it was just too slow...
[12:03] <mercurus> saik0, I run Ubuntu on a Duron 700 with 368 odd
[12:03] <fsapo> please anybody could help me with a scanner? :(
[12:04] <Xappe> saik0: but ubuntu runs fine on it
[12:04] <webtoe> fsapo: ask and see if we can
[12:04] <mercurus> fsapo, I don't, and never have owned a scanner ... but I would if I could
[12:04] <fsapo> mercurus, ok.. thanx
[12:04] <saik0> Xappe, with xorg/GNOME?
[12:04] <fsapo> webtoe, i dont know how to find or install it
[12:04] <fsapo> webtoe, i tryied sane but it didnt detect my scanner
[12:04] <webtoe> how to install the scanner?
[12:04] <webtoe> what make and model scanner is it?
[12:05] <fsapo> webtoe, my scanner is a genius that uses parallel port and scsi emulation
[12:05] <fsapo> lol... i m wondering what makes people use this amoung of swap http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=4dd3cdd7847c5324edf897ec49d1f5dd
[12:05] <Xappe> saik0: yes
[12:05] <fsapo> amount*
[12:05] <saik0> I'd install ubuntu with XFCE4 on it and see if I get reasonable results
[12:06] <Xappe> saik0: you would probably get stunning results :)
[12:06] <saik0> he probabaly would'nt let me though, he loves mac for it's 'just works'ness
[12:06] <fsapo> 1.5gb of swap O.o
[12:06] <xcsd> 1.8 for me
[12:06] <Xappe> saik0: beg on you knees for a dual boot :)
[12:06] <mjr> fsapo, probably it's not so much "used" as it is in reserve
[12:06] <fsapo> omfg
[12:06] <mjr> I do have generous swap partitions too
[12:06] <webtoe> fsapo: alot of people have large swaps for video editing or something
[12:06] <thenuke> fsapo: :) If you have huge amounts of free HD-space, then it does not really matter how much swap you have
[12:06] <fsapo> i have 256MB of swap -_-
[12:06] <mjr> on the off chance something needs it
[12:07] <fsapo> if i had 1gb of ram i would turn it off :)
[12:07] <mjr> besides, software suspend needs enough swap to store the state into swap :)
[12:07] <saik0> Xappe, i'll ask nicely, if he says no I'll continue to laugh at him for running OSX on a processor with the same clock speed as my PDA
[12:07] <Guerin> bah
[12:07] <thenuke> hm, how can I submit my ubuntu PC's into that hwdb?
[12:07] <mercurus> I've been very lucky with swsup
[12:07] <fsapo> webtoe, hum.. nerver tried video editing here :)
[12:07] <webtoe> now now, I'll not hear bad things said about Mac OS X!
[12:07] <Guerin> 700MHZ ain't slow
[12:07] <webtoe> :P
[12:08] <Xappe> saik0: hehe. is it an old osx version? i had 10.1.4, and it was a hell
[12:08] <mercurus> I've only got 1:1 ratio, swap to RAM ... and it works nicely
[12:08] <saik0> Xappe it's 10.2x ,he keeps it as updated as possible
[12:08] <fsapo> this is mine :) http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=e54b25a4182ff9a52a272ee754c5c8a5
[12:09] <fsapo> my little overclocked duron hehe
[12:09] <ubuntu> Hm... Totem player won't play many of the files correctly, whilst Xine will. Doesn't Totem player use Xine as it's backend?
[12:09] <SeamusLP> saik0: 10.3 and 4 is supposed to be faster.  How much though I'm not sure
[12:09] <ubuntu> *its
[12:09] <cmug> Any1 wanna help me setup WPA wireless on ubuntu 5.04 livecd?
[12:09] <ubuntu> cmug, what's the problem
[12:09] <saik0> ubuntu, by defaunt it's using gstreamer, you can have it use xine by installing totem-xine
[12:09] <webtoe> fsapo:  just found a table which points out a lot of genius scanners are supported by plustek ones
[12:09] <SeamusLP> ubuntu: By default it uses gstreamer, which will not play many movie files
[12:09] <whiskers> well this is quite nice and if they ever get that e2defrag working the choice of ext3 may well be best
[12:10] <cmug> ubuntu, i dont know where to input the WPA PSK
[12:10] <ac-id> my dist-upgrade didnt work
[12:10] <ubuntu> Oh, also. What can play DivX/xVid?
[12:10] <fsapo> webtoe, plustek?
[12:10] <SeamusLP> Anything w/ a xine backend works fine.
[12:10] <Xappe> ubuntu: vlc, mplayer
[12:10] <webtoe> hang on a sec and I'll post the link
[12:10] <ac-id> mplayer
[12:11] <saik0> SeamusLP, you said it =)
[12:11] <ubuntu> Is there any way to make Xine play DivX?
[12:11] <fsapo> ubuntu, i play with totem -_- u just have to install the codecs
[12:11] <fsapo> webtoe, thanx
[12:11] <SeamusLP> ubuntu:  I have a good option for you.  Install totem-xine from synaptic and then use the codecs on the mplayer site.
[12:11] <webtoe> oh actually its only one scanner that is
[12:11] <SeamusLP> ubuntu: I haven't encountered a movie that totem wouldn't play using this method.
[12:11] <webtoe> Colorpage Vivid III
[12:12] <webtoe> what model scanner is it that you have fsapo?
[12:12] <flodine> anyone install engage yet
[12:12] <fsapo> webtoe, mine is a colorpage EP but any ideas are welcome :P
[12:12] <ubuntu> Thanks SeamusLP, is there any way I can check whether the current Totem I'm using is Totem-xine or Totem-gstreamer (I just install Totem-xine), but I'm unsure which one I'm using
[12:13] <xgates> this thing is TESTING my paitence
[12:13] <xgates> dammm
[12:13] <fsapo> xgates, wtf?
[12:13] <saik0> ubuntu, they conflict eachother, very likely installing totem-xine uninstalled totem-gstreamer
[12:13] <ubuntu> Oh okay
[12:13] <Xappe> is the codec path the same for mplayer and xine?
[12:13] <ubuntu> Well thanks for all the help
[12:13] <Tomcat_> saik0: I'm not sure about that...
[12:13] <SeamusLP> ubuntu:  Simple. load up synaptic from the System menu and search for totem
[12:14] <Tomcat_> saik0: iirc after installing totem-xine, totem-gstreamer turned up in deborphan, so I uninstalled it.
[12:14] <gaio> anyone with realplayer problems on hoary?
[12:14] <xgates> I just cleaned out /tmp cleaned out some old logs in /var/log and installed gxine and now when I type --> startx as soon as the Nvidia screen comes up it craps and goes back to console no errors nothing
[12:14] <xgates> ahhhhhhhhh
[12:14] <Tomcat_> saik0: But I'm not sure, that might have happened in the haih script...
[12:14] <SeamusLP> Xappe:  I downloaded the codecs from the mplayer site and then moved them into the totem plugins directory.  You can load it up from the preferences in totem.
[12:14] <fsapo> xgates, O_O
[12:14] <Xappe> SeamusLP: ok
[12:14] <Tomcat_> xgates: Errors are in /var/log/X....log :)
[12:14] <saik0> Tomcat_, well currently in the repos the definetly conflict eachother.
[12:15] <thoreauputic> xgates: gxine has issues - I had more luck with totem-xine
[12:15] <Tomcat_> saik0: Okay, then I guess it happened before... wasn't sure. :)
[12:15] <SeamusLP> Xappe:  The directory the plugins are put into is /home/matt/.gnome2/totem-addons
[12:15] <thoreauputic> xgates: actually xine-ui seems to be the most stable for me
[12:15] <gaio> anyone with realplayer problems on hoary?
[12:15] <Xappe> SeamusLP: is that doable with totem-gstreamer as well?
[12:16] <SeamusLP> Xappe: /home/<user> that is ;)
[12:16] <saik0> Tomcat_: I was surprised to see how little the totem package actually contains
[12:16] <SeamusLP> Xappe: I doubt it highly
[12:16] <thoreauputic> saik0: it's just a front end
[12:16] <xgates> Tomcat_: I know where the logs are at I said there is no errors
[12:17] <saik0> Tomcat_, documentations...changelog....some images....thats about it
[12:17] <xgates> and Im really stuck now as to how gxine could kill this
[12:17] <xgates> errrrrrrrr
[12:17] <fsapo> lol.. if anyone wants to laugh a little just take a look at this pictures :) http://forum.hardmob.uol.com.br/showthread.php?s=&threadid=357555
[12:17] <Tomcat_> saik0: Still more than metapackages :)
[12:18] <SeamusLP> Xappe: I don't think that the gstreamer backend has support for proprietary plugins
[12:18] <saik0> Tomcat_, ha, out of curiosity i removed the totem package, and it still runs normally
[12:18] <xgates> I have no bloody idea to get X going with no errors in the log or nothing when trying to run statrx
[12:18] <Guerin> gah
[12:18] <xgates> damm I have never seen anything like this one
[12:18] <xgates> errrrrrr
[12:18] <xgates> :/
[12:18] <Guerin> !eviscerate win98 networking
[12:18] <Guerin> ~eviscerate win98 networking
[12:18] <Guerin> oh ffs
[12:18] <Tomcat_> saik0: It's not upwards dependent by some other package? o_O
[12:18] <Guerin> someone just kill it dead
[12:19] <Guerin> i can ping any random tld name
[12:19] <ZyV> hi everyone !!
[12:19] <Guerin> but internet exposer can't find anything
[12:19] <saik0> Tomcat_ nope, not totem-gstreamer or totem-xine anyhow
[12:19] <xgates> isnt it apt-get clean if anything is borked?
[12:19] <saik0> Tomcat_, like I said....the contents are really...almost nothing
[12:21] <ZyV> i'm trying to install ubuntu with usb keyboard 'n' mouse ('cause my ps/2 ports are out of order) but i get errors during booting the install wizard, did anybody tried it ???
[12:21] <SeamusLP> ZyV: I'm using both, no issues here.
[12:21] <Gavrila> can anyone help to find a patch for 2.6.10 kernel for tulip module to include ali 5236 ethernet support? I'm not able to find it
[12:21] <ZyV> SeamusLP, but do you installed it with those usb key/mouse?
[12:21] <SeamusLP> ZyV: Yes I did
[12:22] <SeamusLP> ZyV, what kinds of errors did you get?
[12:22] <saik0> aha! it's a dummy package. the description says it depends totem-xine but it in fact does not at the current version
[12:22] <ZyV> well SeamusLP, but i.e. while booting you get the grub saying: "Press F1 for help, ENTER to continue"
[12:22] <ZyV> i can't press ENTER !!
[12:23] <saik0> ZyV, using a usb keyboard?
[12:23] <SeamusLP> ZyV: ... Wow.  But you could use your keyboard during the install?
[12:23] <ZyV> i think maybe it recognizes keyboard during hotplug daemon boot
[12:23] <mishof> Hi, I've got mandrake installed and i kinda messed it up, so i cant use it anymore. now, i want to install ubuntu instead - but there are some files that i wanna keep from mandrake. i know my /home directory was on hda9, and the other directories on hda7, is it possible while installing ubuntu to keep hda9?
[12:23] <ZyV> yes saik0
[12:23] <saik0> ZyV, enable usb legacy for keyboards in your BIOS
[12:23] <petemc> mishof: yes
[12:23] <ZyV> no SeamusLP i cant get working keymoard even in the live cd distrib
[12:23] <webtoe> fsapo: think i've found the scanner back end for your scanner
[12:23] <paulfox> mishof, yeah, you can tell the intstaller to keep hda9's data, and mount it as /home
[12:23] <SeamusLP> ZyV yeah it sounds like a BIOS option, I concur with saik0
[12:24] <webtoe> fsapo
[12:24] <mishof> paulfox: cool :)
[12:24] <webtoe> fsapo: and its supposed to work well
[12:24] <SeamusLP> ZyV Ubuntu is doing nothing about device drivers before it boots, obviously ;)
[12:24] <saik0> mishof, should keep your gnome config and app settings and whatnot. theres no place like /home
[12:24] <ZyV> wow ... did you say maybe in my bios i can specify the usb keyboard by default or something SeamusLP and saik0 ???
[12:25] <SeamusLP> ZyV: I'd definitely poke around in there.
[12:25] <ZyV> ok
[12:25] <ZyV> lets try !!! thanx SeamusLP and saik0  !!
[12:25] <saik0> glad to see some enthusiasm these days
[12:26] <SeamusLP> heh yeah
[12:26] <jfk303> Asked this earlier but connection died b4 I got a response: I did an apt-get install rar but still can not use rar archives, what other packages do I need?
[12:26] <saik0> better than the usual 'It's broke and I cant read manpages. Fix it you @^%#ers'
[12:26] <SeamusLP> I wonder how he's going to get in his BIOS...
[12:26] <xgates> well I ran xorgconf let me see if I can start this thing again
[12:26] <SeamusLP> hope he has another keyboard laying around
[12:27] <xgates> DAMMMM this friggin thing
[12:27] <xgates> gxine hosed this thing
[12:27] <webtoe> SeamusLP: I once had a BIOS like that and they seem to pick up the keyboard fine initially.
[12:27] <xgates> any idea how I can get X going I have no errors so I dont know what is stopping it from starting
[12:28] <webtoe> xgates: where abouts does it stop working, The log should say loading this that etc.
[12:28] <webtoe> and what verbosity level you using? it all the way to maximum?
[12:28] <xgates> webtoe: I see the Nvidia screen then it dies
[12:28] <saik0> Heck on my server box it picks up the usb keyboard if I need to enter the BIOS with Legacy disabled...not sure how that works
[12:28] <mishof> another question before installing: i read somewhere that ubuntu has no multimedia support.. does it mean i wont be able to watch my avi(divx/xvid) or realmedia files ?
[12:28] <SeamusLP> webtoe: Interesting.  Never had one like that.
[12:28] <rOss^32> mishof it comes with totem
[12:29] <rOss^32> but i added amarok and vlc
[12:29] <webtoe> xgates: so you using the NVidia binary drivers?
[12:29] <waxhead> hey everyone
[12:29] <yhonatan> Hey all
[12:29] <yhonatan> :)
[12:29] <mishof> :O
[12:29] <xgates> webtoe: nvidia-glx yes and it was all working fine before I emptied out /tmp and installed gxine then it crapped
[12:29] <saik0> jfk303, the simple answer: you need the package called 'unrar' OR 'unrar-nonfree' if you need to extract files from rar 3.0 format
[12:30] <jfk303> mishof: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ details installation of all comon packages
[12:30] <MM2> will apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade do the trick?
[12:30] <webtoe> xgates: did you say earlier that you've reinstalled the X? what about the nvidia drivers? No idea why anything important is being kept in /tmp
[12:30] <yhonatan> amm... there is a new unstable version?
[12:30] <yhonatan> cuse the stable of Hoary is out..
[12:30] <mishof> yhonatan: israeli? ;)
[12:31] <xgates> webtoe: no I changed over to the K7 linux image but it was working fine on that
[12:31] <saik0> ooh, when did ubuntuguide get updated for hoary?
[12:31] <SeamusLP> saik0:  As a side note, I'm using the nonfree rar package in the multiverse and it plays really well with file-roller.
[12:31] <xgates> I didnt touch C
[12:31] <xgates> X
[12:31] <xgates> ....
[12:31] <mishof> jfk303: thanks
[12:31] <Ben2004uk> hey, just a quick question - for ubuntu and gnome whats the min spec??
[12:31] <yhonatan> Yep:)
[12:31] <SeamusLP> Ben2004uk:  If you have less than 256 megs of ram I wouldn't recommend gnome.  XFCE is a good option there.
[12:31] <mjr> Ben2004uk, I'd recommend a 3-figure amount of RAM, though you might do with less if you're patient
[12:32] <saik0> SeamusLP, yea, I noticed that as well especially those odd incremental rars like file01.rar and file02.rar
[12:32] <xgates> webtoe: ok now I found a error says no APM found
[12:32] <xgates> err what the hell does APM have to do with getting X to start
[12:32] <xgates> lol
[12:32] <mjg59> That's not an error, it's a warning
[12:32] <yhonatan> so,there is a new unstable version?
[12:32] <mjg59> It won't stop X starting
[12:32] <yhonatan> that i can use right now?
[12:32] <Nabiki> Does anyone here use a USR Wireless Gaming Bridge to get online?
[12:32] <xgates> yes
[12:32] <Ben2004uk> SeamusLP:  mjr cheers
[12:33] <jfk303> Ben2004uk, I'm using on 196ram, 500processor, no graphics card, vold and is ok
[12:33] <jfk303> Ben2004uk, very old that is
[12:33] <waxhead> is there any "trick" to get the menus to update?
[12:33] <superted> waxhead: killall gnome-panel might do it
[12:33] <yhonatan> someone?:\
[12:34] <waxhead> superted, that seems a bit extreme...
[12:34] <Nabiki> Unstable is always changing.
[12:34] <Nabiki> ^^
[12:34] <waxhead> mandrake used a 'rebuild-menu' script to do it
[12:34] <SeamusLP> saik0: After I installed "rar" I'm able to extract those files you just described using fileroller.  right-click and select "extract here" on just one of them and it takes care of it.
[12:34] <yhonatan> but there is one
[12:34] <yhonatan> that i can use right now?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: erm - it's only a few days since release - give the guys a bit of a rest before looking for a new developmant version
[12:34] <ac-id> someone mentioned there was a 'thin-client' version of ubuntu
[12:34] <superted> waxhead: well it won't do any harm
[12:34] <ac-id> that could run off a server
[12:35] <ac-id> anyone know what that is?
[12:35] <yhonatan> :\
[12:35] <membreya> looking at using dd to create a backup of my rootFS, my root fs is on /dev/sda3, so for dd my correct syntax would be dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/dev/sda6 bs=8192???
[12:35] <waxhead> superted, so it will restart it?
[12:35] <kbrooks> yhonatan,
[12:35] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: breezy will be the new dev version, when it gets in gear
[12:36] <yhonatan> ok:)
[12:36] <SeamusLP> yhonatan: Give them a chance to relax and have a few beers first.  They just released hoary :)
[12:36] <yhonatan> there is a table with the names of the next versions?
[12:37] <xgates> OK I found something: --> Failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-0
[12:37] <xgates> hmmm
[12:37] <ac-id> so anyone know about this Thin client version?
[12:37] <xgates> cant say seen that one before
[12:37] <saik0> SeamusLP, no dammit I want Breezy with Beagle and stable somposite rendering and I want it now =P
[12:37] <SeamusLP> saik0 heh you can have all that just not through apt-get ;)
[12:38] <membreya> saik0: write it yourself? :P
[12:38] <kbrooks> whats beagle
[12:38] <saik0> I kid, I kid. I joke for you.
[12:38] <Arnia> beagle-wiki.org
[12:38] <xgates> what are EDID parameters for the CRT?
[12:38] <xgates> errr
[12:39] <kenny> hi guys
[12:39] <SeamusLP> kbrooks:  A good search feature that the people at Novell have been touting.  Something that OSS could really use.
[12:39] <thoreauputic> xgates: apt-cache show read-edid
[12:39] <kenny> i was wondering if anyone can help me please
[12:39] <saik0> actually, it's http://beaglewiki.org/ no hyphen
[12:40] <webtoe> xgates: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/E/EDID.html
[12:40] <yhonatan> someone?
[12:40] <melodie> hello all :)
[12:40] <yhonatan> Hey
[12:40] <mishof> Q: is there support for alsa sound mixing - meaning you can play 2 sounds at the same time (a feature that was just added to mandrake at 10.2) ?
[12:40] <xgates> webtoe: Im in CONSOLE
[12:40] <xgates> hehe
[12:40] <kenny> I can seem to get my Windows HDD drives to show, i can mount them and access them but when i click on places and computer they are not there
[12:40] <melodie> hello yhonatan
[12:40] <kenny> *i cant
[12:40] <rOss^32> what plays windows media files ?
[12:40] <webtoe> links http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/E/EDID.html
[12:40] <webtoe> :P
[12:40] <xgates> webtoe: whats it saY?
[12:41] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: breezy = next release  , grumpy = dangerously nasty eperimental version
[12:41] <webtoe> its got information about monitor
[12:41] <webtoe> refresh rates etc.
[12:41] <xgates> thoreauputic: whats that cmd you just gave me I just missed it, cant scroll up for it either here in console
[12:41] <yhonatan> breezy?
[12:41] <xgates> ;/
[12:41] <melodie> how get Tb ask for import old profile after upgrade plse ?
[12:41] <webtoe> does you X.orgconf file have them stated there?
[12:41] <SeamusLP> kenny:  This is a common problem
[12:41] <thoreauputic> xgates: apt-cache show read-edid
[12:41] <SeamusLP> kenny:  I try restarting nautilus...
[12:41] <melodie> do I have to reboot first ?
[12:42] <kenny> hi seamusLP, im warty i was able to do it just by mounting the partitions  in /media but when i do it in horay they dont show
[12:42] <melodie> do someone here use Thnderbird ?
[12:42] <Sauron21> does anyone know about a front ended respiratory management program??
[12:42] <thoreauputic> xgates: read-edid is the app for finding info on monitors - that will give you a bit of info on it
[12:42] <webtoe> xgates: try what thoreauputic says, If it still doesn't work then your monitor musn't support EDID and you'll need to specify the data in the conf file
[12:42] <kenny> *in warty
[12:42] <kzm> Suddenly xmms and mplayer segfaults!  And I can't bring up X with nvidia drivers.  All I've done is rebooted.
[12:43] <webtoe> Sauron21: Have you tried www.google.co.uk/linux ?
[12:43] <kzm> Any *possible* explanation?
[12:43] <kenny> I have restart, three or four times, still they dont show
[12:43] <SeamusLP> kenny: When you insert a CD rom into the drive, does it automatically show it in places-computer?
[12:43] <webtoe> kzm: what were you doing before you rebooted?
[12:43] <kenny> yes it shows
[12:44] <beerockxs> i just updated to hoary, and now have weird problems in some apps
[12:44] <xgates> webtoe: I've been using the monitor just fine in X for the past 2 days, so then is it going to just not work
[12:44] <kenny> but my windows partitions dont show
[12:44] <kzm> playing music?  Nothing in particular - I wanted to test out disabling acpi -- if there was an IRQ problem.
[12:44] <xgates> thoreauputic: what are you suggesting?
[12:44] <Sauron21> I have....but there is nothing spec....so I though maybe someone here might know of one....
[12:44] <Sauron21> maybe something like YaST
[12:44] <beerockxs> in a few java applications, i get lots of "Warning:
[12:44] <beerockxs>     Name: textfield
[12:44] <beerockxs>     Class: XmTextField
[12:44] <beerockxs>     Character '\66' not supported in font.  Discarded.
[12:44] <beerockxs> "
[12:44] <kzm> So I switched acpi off, and back on again, and nothing works.
[12:44] <SeamusLP> kenny: Try this.  right click on your desktop, click open terminal
[12:44] <beerockxs> and textfields are no longer prefilled
[12:44] <smouche> echoing mishof's question:  is there no way to play (and hear) two or more audio applications at the same time in linux?  Only in mandrake, mishof?
[12:44] <xgates> webtoe: I cleaned out /tmp and installed gxine then this happened
[12:44] <kenny> k
[12:44] <thoreauputic> xgates: I thought that app might help you with edid
[12:44] <SeamusLP> kenny: killall nautilus
[12:45] <beerockxs> smouche: google for alsa and software mixing
[12:45] <xgates> thoreauputic: ok just install it, or I need to do something with it?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> xgates: run it?
[12:45] <kenny> nope still aint showing
[12:45] <mishof> smouche: not with my audio card ...
[12:45] <SeamusLP> kenny: Did it restart the desktop?
[12:45] <kenny> yes
[12:45] <saik0> smouche, there is using a sound daemon, ubuntu comes installed with ESD
[12:45] <kenny> but my three windows partitions still aint showing
[12:45] <xgates> thoreauputic: 'read-edid' do I just install it is all?
[12:45] <waxhead> how do I edit the menus?
[12:46] <kenny> is there something that i need to add to fstab, i am using the one i use on warty
[12:46] <SeamusLP> kenny: alright, looks like you're having the same trouble that I am...  This is all a relatively new feature in gnome, one being embraced by ubuntu.
[12:46] <xgates> thoreauputic: or sorry I mean 'edid'
[12:46] <smouche> thank you beerockxs.  I had sort of assumed that sort of thing would just work out of the box, given right hardware...
[12:46] <SeamusLP> kenny:  My temporary fix was to restart dbus-1
[12:46] <kenny> well that just a b*tch
[12:46] <smouche> another thing I take for granted, coming from windows
[12:46] <kenny> why can they leave things alone lol
[12:46] <saik0> kenny, you need your FSes to show in the GNOME "Computer'?
[12:46] <kenny> yip
[12:47] <kenny> hi saik0
[12:47] <SeamusLP> kenny: heh they're getting better...  But try this for me.  /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[12:47] <SeamusLP> kenny: then killall nautilus.  See if it shows up
[12:47] <saik0> hello kenny =)
[12:47] <xgates> thoreauputic: ok I isntalled read-edid
[12:48] <kenny> YIPPY AYE YEA
[12:48] <kenny> thank u so much
[12:48] <kenny> XXXX
[12:48] <nicu> #ubuntu-r0
[12:48] <kenny> would i have to do that everytime i start up
[12:48] <xgates> oh HELL I guess Im going to have to reinstall Ubuntu I dont know why its acting all goofy now
[12:48] <SeamusLP> kenny:  I just tried that today :) I reboot like once a month, so I wouldn't know lol
[12:48] <alterim> can someone tell me how to join 2 x avi files?
[12:49] <kenny> lol
[12:49] <paulfox> alterim, join file1 file2
[12:49] <webtoe> alterim: you'll need to take at transcode
[12:49] <alterim> paulfox: you are joking?
[12:49] <paulfox> nah
[12:49] <kenny> Why dosnt ubuntu just auto mount NTFS, i dont see the point of having the ntfs driver and not using it
[12:49] <paulfox> :)
[12:49] <SeamusLP> kenny: Chances are it wouldn't.  Not everyone has the problem, just a few people...  What hardware are you running?
[12:49] <alterim> webtoe: transcode?
[12:49] <alterim> webtoe: i need to 'take at transcode' ?
[12:49] <webtoe> alterim: though see if paulfox is right, his way is easy
[12:49] <kenny> What do you want a list of all my hardware
[12:49] <webtoe> sorry, take a look at transcode
[12:49] <webtoe> its a program
[12:50] <alterim> paulfox: join.. this is a wind up
[12:50] <Xappe> kenny: mount with the user option, and they should show up at least in "computer"
[12:50] <thoreauputic> xgates: I think you run sudo get-edid
[12:50] <SeamusLP> kenny: I'm curious to see if you have a similar setup to mine.
[12:50] <xgates> how the hell does cleaning out /tmp and installing gxine kill X
[12:50] <xgates> damm this sucks
[12:50] <kenny> Athlon XP
[12:50] <xgates> thoreauputic: ok
[12:50] <SeamusLP> two harddrives, or one?
[12:50] <kenny> 512mb ram DDR PC 2700
[12:50] <kenny> I have to harddrives but one is split into 2
[12:50] <webtoe> alterim: http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode
[12:51] <paulfox> alterim, man join
[12:51] <kbrooks> kenny, partitions dornt matter
[12:51] <kenny> and the other is slit between Linux and windows
[12:51] <xgates> thoreauputic: ok I ran get-edid
[12:51] <SeamusLP> Well we have very different hardware, so I can't even begin to speculate as to why it works for some people but not for others...
[12:51] <saik0> SeamusLP, maybe you could tell your rc.d to run the dbus init later?
[12:51] <webtoe> alterim: honestly look at paulfox's suggestion first. Not sure whether it will work since header information etc for the avi files will need to be changed. but its worth a shot
[12:51] <alterim> i'm trying
[12:51] <thoreauputic> xgates: all it should do is give you some info - whether that helps I don't know
[12:52] <SeamusLP> saik0:  That idea has been proposed in the forums.
[12:52] <kenny> Why cant Ubuntu auto mount all the drives for you
[12:52] <xgates> thoreauputic: ahh now I dont know
[12:52] <alterim> ok pualfox: i have joined them but there is still 2 files in the folder
[12:52] <kenny> everyone is can
[12:52] <xgates> brb
[12:52] <paulfox> hmm, let me look up the syntax
[12:52] <SeamusLP> kenny, what do you mean?  It should do it automatically.  The problem lies in the hardware abstraction layer telling nautilus that it is mounted...
[12:52] <saik0> SeamusLP, my temp fix was adding user to the options and viola it works
[12:52] <SeamusLP> if it isn't doing so automatically, try modifying your /etc/fstab file
[12:53] <kenny> It dosnt auto mount my NTFS drives or FAT drives
[12:53] <thoreauputic> xgates: as I said some time ago, I find gxine has issues - xine-ui or totem-xine seem to work much better here
[12:53] <kenny> both horay and warty
[12:53] <alterim> paulfox: i have run the command but there is still 2 files there
[12:53] <SeamusLP> yeah you need to modify your /etc/fstab
[12:53] <kenny> not that im complaining i can easly mount my fat32 drive and copy over my fstabs
[12:53] <SeamusLP> saik0: that fixed what now?
[12:54] <kenny> but i shouldnt have to
[12:54] <paulfox> alterim, i've just joined two mp3s with "join song1.mp3 song2.mp3 > JoinedSong3.mp3
[12:54] <webtoe> alterim: is there a new file though?
[12:54] <saik0> SeamusLP, having nautilus 'Computer' finding wayward partitions
[12:54] <alterim> webtoe:  i can't find a new file
[12:54] <paulfox> so join foo bar > foobar, will take foo and bar, and redirect it (>) to foobar
[12:54] <SeamusLP> saik0:  That wasn't my problem.  It's apparently a problem with the boot order in some configurations
[12:55] <Choubaka> I know a way to hard crash my computer.
[12:55] <alterim> hmm ok i'll try that
[12:55] <Choubaka> 100% of the time
[12:55] <kenny> Ubuntu is near enoug perfect, a few bits and bobs that i dont like but hell of a lot better than suse and fedora
[12:55] <alterim> do i have to do the full path f the file in the argument
[12:55] <darmou_> does anyone know which package has libtoolize?
[12:55] <alterim> or just cd to the directory and then use just the filenames?
[12:55] <Choubaka> and it seems whenever I try to run Ubuntu Hardware database, X restarts after the second question. :p
[12:55] <webtoe> alterim: no you shouldn't need to, though you need to specify the filename to write too
[12:55] <darmou_> I wish gplflash did not crash firefox sigh
[12:56] <amsaarel> BTW, has anybody that uses the Wine emulator ever been sued..? You'd think that if not, then it'd be safe to include Captive NTFS..
[12:56] <Choubaka> I wish firefox was as snappy as konqueror :(
[12:57] <kenny> firefox is better than konqueror
[12:57] <mjg59> amsaarel: wine works without any Microsoft code
[12:57] <saik0> kenny, I agree, Ubuntu does all the things my other favorite distros do combined, buit not _quite_ as well as they did. ALMOST...and so far I'm loving it
[12:57] <Choubaka> kenny: I disagree.
[12:57] <SeamusLP> kenny:  I don't know what you meant about ubuntu not mounting at startup...
[12:57] <Choubaka> Konqueror is a _lot_ more responsive on sites where there's a lot of CSS and/or javascript.
[12:57] <amsaarel> Umh..hm..ok..But there are some emulators that use only MS code, even commercial emulators, aren't there
[12:57] <kenny> with fire fox i can use on any pc with my profile, and its easier to back up
[12:58] <SeamusLP> kenny: it should be a matter of adding a line in your /etc/fstab
[12:58] <Choubaka> kenny: that may be possible. But FF is slower than konqi.
[12:58] <Choubaka> And it drives me insane :(
[12:58] <webtoe> amsaarel: since wine has been written from scratch it doesn't infringe (i don't think though IANAL). No copying of code
[12:58] <kenny> Not auto mount isnt a big problem really just a little pain when u want to access files quickly
[12:58] <kenny> what line shoul di add
[12:59] <kenny> i remember reading somewere about adding a line in horay fstab
[12:59] <amsaarel> But under Wine you'll still be running Microsoft code under Linux if you use any MS apps
[12:59] <saik0> Choubaka, you probably have, but did you do all those nify ff tweaks all over the web?
[12:59] <Choubaka> saik0: Not really.
[12:59] <webtoe> asmaarel: You mean like MS Word? well you own that copy of word and its license (well, you should) and it doesn't matter how you use it
[12:59] <kenny> I dont like it, it reminds of IE
[01:00] <SeamusLP> kenny: Under options I just have user for that partition...
[01:00] <Choubaka> Well, I don't use konqi either.
[01:00] <amsaarel> webtoe: The reason I'm wondering about this is that MS EULA prohibits running parts of Windows under Linux, so this could be relevant to an NTFS emulator that uses Windows code
[01:00] <Choubaka> Because it's a KDE app
[01:00] <kenny> yea
[01:00] <kenny> I hate KDE
[01:00] <Choubaka> and it doesn't have AdBlock
[01:00] <kenny> or foxy tunes
[01:00] <Choubaka> but it's better than firefox in terms of speed and responsiveness.
[01:00] <xiaogil> What is the difference between Ubuntu "Hoary" and "5.04" (I ask because when downloading, there are those two choices pointing on those two different ISO)
[01:00] <kenny> not by much
[01:00] <saik0> mmmmm Adblock
[01:00] <Choubaka> kenny: hell yes it is.
[01:01] <kenny> oh no its not lol
[01:01] <Choubaka> Have you tried opening 13 tabs at a time with Firefox?
[01:01] <SeamusLP> xiaogil:  Hoary is just a different name for 5.04.  Same thing.
[01:01] <MistaED> hey looking in system monitor, why is every program using like 100mb ram?
[01:01] <Choubaka> it goes just unresponsive
[01:01] <flodine> can helix play mp3s
[01:01] <kenny> hey chubaka who cares i like firefox and you like that krap
[01:01] <Guerin> Choubaka: yeah, all the time
[01:01] <webtoe> amsaarel: true but there are legal problems with EULA's and certain rights are protected regardless. the problem with NTFS is the right to reverse engineer a driver.
[01:01] <Guerin> on a p2-233 with 256 ram
[01:01] <kenny> lol
[01:01] <MistaED> i have 1gb, and it's entirely full, wtf?
[01:01] <kenny> only joking
[01:01] <webtoe> though i'm not all knowledgeable
[01:01] <kenny> its ok i guess
[01:01] <xiaogil> SeamusLP: so why making two directories ?
[01:01] <Choubaka> MistaED: Linux uses all the ram it can get.
[01:01] <Choubaka> for cache
[01:02] <saik0> Choubaka, It's possible that you're talking about a common problem while using xorg/GNOME in ubuntu. same problem with other distros?
[01:02] <SeamusLP> xiaogil: could you send me a link?  I want to see what you're talking about...
[01:02] <xiaogil> SeamusLP: It makes the confusion for beginners
[01:02] <kenny> tbut i wouldnt like to get attached to it
[01:02] <deFrysk> MistaED, you got one gig , so better use it linux sais ;)
[01:02] <xiaogil> SeamusLP: sure...
[01:02] <Choubaka> saik0: debian had the problem as well.
[01:02] <MistaED> i thought linux was more efficient than bloaty windows
[01:02] <Choubaka> Sarge.
[01:02] <amsaarel> webtoe: Well, there's an NTFS emulator that doesn't need reverse engineering, because it really just glues the NTFS code into the Linux kernel..Works well, but not compatible with the EULA, though not sure if it can be enforced
[01:02] <Choubaka> MistaED: it is...
[01:02] <webtoe> MistaED: It is. that why your RAM is filled up
[01:02] <deFrysk> MistaED, using ram is efficient , not using it insnt
[01:03] <Guerin> MistaED: free ram is wasted ram. ram used for cache speeds things up
[01:03] <Choubaka> small flood:
[01:03] <amsaarel> webtoe: I guess reverse engineering would be legal if you don't use the NTFS source code ..
[01:03] <Choubaka> Mem:    516344k total,   456568k used,    59776k free,    41196k buffers
[01:03] <Choubaka> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   309768k cached
[01:03] <Choubaka> see, the "cached" is what matters.
[01:03] <webtoe> amsaarel: Ah i see. It is difficult ground that. in Europe it probavly ok
[01:03] <MistaED> doesn't that mean i'll run out and programs which i run won't work well?
[01:03] <Choubaka> MistaED: no
[01:03] <MistaED> oh
[01:03] <MistaED> i get you
[01:03] <Guerin> MistaED: no, the kernelw ill free up cache and buffers as needed for real apps
[01:03] <SeamusLP> It's a bit misleading looking at the system monitor, MistaED
[01:03] <webtoe> amsaarel: as there are different laws on reverse engineering, though there is a new directive being pushed through that will change all that and make things worsee
[01:03] <MistaED> fair enough
[01:04] <Choubaka> no swap = good
[01:04] <deFrysk> MistaED, it means linux is perfectly capable of optimal usage of your ram
[01:04] <MistaED> cool
[01:04] <xiaogil> SeamusLP: I copy-pasted it in a private window
[01:04] <Choubaka> MistaED: how much cache do you have now?
[01:04] <Choubaka> you can see by running "top" in a terminal.
[01:04] <Ironfrost> how do I change the screen resolution of the login screen?
[01:04] <MistaED> 53%
[01:05] <MistaED> in system monitor
[01:05] <Choubaka> Hmm, weird.
[01:05] <Choubaka> not you, btw.
[01:05] <Choubaka> me
[01:05] <Choubaka> I have 60 MB of free ram
[01:05] <venkman> man
[01:05] <MistaED> so 513mb cache
[01:05] <MistaED> *531
[01:06] <Choubaka> that's nice.
[01:06] <amsaarel> webtoe: That's interesting, I guess I should read more about the EU copyright laws since I live here..
[01:06] <MistaED> ironfrost: the startu will just use the max res from your xorg.conf
[01:06] <MistaED> *login screen
[01:07] <waxhead> gee... how does one edit the menu in hoary these days?
[01:07] <webtoe> amsaarel: There was an interesting article on reverse engineering in Linux Format, an English linux magazine. its sold quite a number of places
[01:07] <Choubaka> waxhead: one can't
[01:07] <Choubaka> well
[01:07] <Choubaka> not with gnome's own tools
[01:07] <webtoe> i can find the issue number if you like
[01:07] <Arnia> waxhead: Amaranth's menu editor until upstream Gnome 2.12
[01:07] <SeamusLP> MistaED: I find that gnome and windows xp use about the same amount of RAM depending on what you're doing.  However, I don't think that windows xp has a caching system like Linux.
[01:07] <webtoe> otherwise a good google should turn up some stuff
[01:07] <waxhead> Choubaka, that sucks, I want to add PSI to the menu
[01:07] <MistaED> yea
[01:07] <ZyV> hi everyone again !!
[01:07] <waxhead> SeamusLP, nor is XP as useful as gnome
[01:08] <webtoe> ZyV: did it work?
[01:08] <Choubaka> XP is a usability nightmare.
[01:08] <waxhead> although I'm about to change that view given I can't edit the menu!!!
[01:08] <Choubaka> or maybe I just don't know how.
[01:08] <Choubaka> waxhead: you could in xfce4 though ;P
[01:08] <MistaED> winxp still is easier to use than gnome, for me anyway
[01:08] <ZyV> SeamusLP, I installed ubuntu at last  but during first boot on "starting hotplug susbsystem" it stop with no error
[01:08] <Choubaka> xfce4 = best.
[01:08] <det> Is it possible to just use "unstable" which would now be breezy, instead of changing the dist on each release?
[01:09] <waxhead> Choubaka, but I don't want to use it.. ;P
[01:09] <jfk303> waxhead, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[01:09] <amsaarel> webtoe: Thanks but I guess I wouldn't bother getting hold of that issue of the magazine anyway
[01:09] <Choubaka> waxhead: your loss ;)
[01:09] <ZyV> webtoe, I installed ubuntu at last  but during first boot on "starting hotplug susbsystem" it stop with no error
[01:09] <waxhead> jfk303, thanks.. I'll check it out
[01:09] <webtoe> ZxV: try rebooting, and on the first page which asks you to choose a kernel
[01:09] <webtoe> ZxV: type nohotplug as an option
[01:09] <ZyV> i've tried the recovery mode with same result webtoe
[01:10] <paulfox> ZyV, boot with linux=noacpi, try that
[01:10] <webtoe> ZxV: so the line should look like linux nohotplug
[01:10] <ZyV> oh ! ok webtoe but if i boot with nohotplug option i can't use my usb mouse and keyboard
[01:10] <webtoe> hmmmm, possibly
[01:11] <mishof> ZyV: israeli?
[01:11] <ZyV> noacpi paulfox ?? why ??
[01:11] <SeamusLP> I'd try noacpi possibly
[01:11] <paulfox> ZyV, er, that should be linux acpi=off.
[01:11] <ZyV> mishof, no .. spanish
[01:11] <ZyV> why acpi ??
[01:11] <paulfox> ZyV, i had similar problem with warty, but booting with acpi=off would be fine. what dist is it? warty or hoary?
[01:11] <webtoe> ZyV: coz acpi is started with the hotplug system and usually is a troublemaker
[01:11] <ZyV> warty
[01:12] <paulfox> ZyV, that problem is fixed with hoary
[01:12] <ZyV> ok
[01:12] <webtoe> does ubuntu have a nousb option? like with knoppix?
[01:12] <ZyV> then run with "linux acpi=off" istn ??
[01:13] <ZyV> well ill try it
[01:13] <waxhead> jfk303, hmmm seems a little too much just to add the one icon...
[01:13] <ZyV> thanx all !!
[01:13] <paulfox> ZyV, you should be able to boot then, yeah. but i'd get hoary installed, which fixes this.
[01:14] <jfk303> waxhead, copy and paste two commands, thats it really
[01:15] <SeamusLP> waxhead:  I'm using Amaranth's menu-editor for gnome.  Apparently the official one isn't ready yet.
[01:15] <SeamusLP> Search the forums for it, I believe he posted a location to the source somewhere
[01:16] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I have my own subforum for it. :)
[01:16] <goo> hello :)
[01:17] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  That was quite creepy :) Hey, I think you know my roommate, g01dfish?
[01:17] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: haha, yeah
[01:17] <Amaranth> he works on my other project
[01:17] <SeamusLP> He's a tad bit zealous, isn't he?
[01:17] <Amaranth> go kick him and wake him up ;)
[01:17] <Amaranth> nothing compared to me
[01:17] <SeamusLP> Heh you can't wake him up
[01:17] <SeamusLP> he needs his twelve hours.
[01:17] <Amaranth> oh, one of those
[01:18] <goo> I am fresh to ubuntu, installed it on saturday. Every time I try to play something with totem i get the error "gstreamer failed to create a gstreamer play object" - I tried googling for an answer, but no cigar. Anyone has a clue?
[01:18] <goo> wido: heh, there you are ;)
[01:18] <pmai> how totem to play mpg, avi, ...?
[01:18] <wido> hi. is reiser4 supported by the ubuntu kernel?
[01:19] <darmou_> Is anyone using ubuntu ppc?
[01:19] <Amaranth> pmai: Enable universe and multiverse then install the gstreamer-plugins package.
[01:19] <Tomcat_> pmai: Install totem-xine, or have a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860
[01:19] <tremor_> does somebody know a repository with libsqlite 2.8.16 and libsqlite 3.2.1 ?
[01:20] <saik0> pmai, if going the gstreamer route you'll want gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg as well
[01:20] <SeamusLP> Hey goo, you need a new video player
[01:20] <webtoe> darmou: i have the live PPC running on an ibook G4
[01:20] <SeamusLP> I use totem-xine with the proprietary plugins at the mplayer site
[01:21] <darmou_> webtoe what do you use for flash?
[01:21] <goo> SeamusLP: ah, good tip - thanks :)
[01:21] <alterim> anyone know how to join 2 avi files?
[01:21] <alterim> the easiest way possible?
[01:21] <SeamusLP> Just enable the universe and do a search for it in synaptic.
[01:21] <webtoe> darmou_ : sorry, i don't really use flash ever. If its not on ubuntu, and you can't find a free/open sourve product which does flash then there's not much hope i'm afraid
[01:22] <webtoe> since things need to be recompiled for PPC
[01:22] <goo> SeamusLP: yeah, I've seen it there before :)
[01:22] <ac-id> ANYONE: where can i find information on the THIN CLIENT?
[01:22] <alterim> whats the best soulseek client for linux?
[01:22] <darmou_> webtoe iv'e got gplflash but it crashes firefox:(
[01:22] <darmou_> and the swfplayer is not much good
[01:23] <goo> SeamusLP: heh. worked like a charm. Thanks a lot :) (i apt'ed w32codecs from nerim.net )
[01:23] <pmai> Amaranth, Tomcat_ , saik0 thanhk, i have more choices , now  totem-xine 's installing
[01:24] <SeamusLP> goo: Yeah no sweat.  The guys at Ubuntu are worried about legal troubles involved in distributing certain video players, apparently.
[01:24] <ZyV> hi again !!!!
[01:24] <webtoe> darmou_: if you're feeling adventurous you could try an rpm file from yellowdog. It should work but not sure. Might coflict
[01:24] <Ironfrost> is it really a legal thing?
[01:24] <webtoe> look here http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/yellowdog/extras/yellowdog-2.0/ppc/flash-0.4.10-1.ppc.html
[01:24] <Ironfrost> or just a Free Software thing?
[01:24] <saik0> so after installing spamassassin and having spamd running is my evolution mailbox being filtered??
[01:24] <SeamusLP> Both really.
[01:24] <darmou_> thanks webtoe, time for alien:)
[01:25] <lunatik> is there a team like kubuntu for e17 please ? :)
[01:25] <SeamusLP> ZyV: disabling acpi work for you?
[01:25] <Guerin> saik0: have you told evolution to pipe mail through spamassassin
[01:25] <ZyV> webtoe, i did it but get this to errors on hotplug starting: "modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/......../pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permited".  And the same for the shpchp.ko module, What happens ???
[01:25] <webtoe> saik0: is evolution set to use spam assassin. you might need to set a rule for it
[01:25] <alterim> how do i find out my local ip?
[01:25] <Guerin> alterim: /sbin/ifconfig
[01:25] <alterim> thanks
[01:25] <goo> SeamusLP: luckily not as wild as the Debian guys *shudder*
[01:25] <saik0> Guerin, nope I was assuming it was'nt going to be that easy. How does one do that
[01:26] <paulfox> ZyV, thats no problem. you can put pciehp and shpchp in /etc/hotplug/blacklist to not get those errors anymore
[01:26] <ZyV> but its supposed to boot with this 2 errors ??
[01:26] <paulfox> ZyV, yeah you can ignore them
[01:26] <SeamusLP> goo:  Never used straight debian.  Ubuntu basically takes debian and fixes it.  That's why I'm using ubuntu now.
[01:26] <Guerin> saik0: make a rule for every message smaller than 250k, and choose pipe through /usr/bin/spamc
[01:27] <Guerin> saik0: 250k is the biggest message spamc/d will defaultly process
[01:27] <Guerin> SeamusLP: haha
[01:27] <ZyV> well paulfox one of two: it hangs with this 2 errors, i'm so impatient while running hotplug subsystem cause it got  a lot of time and i reboot
[01:27] <goo> SeamusLP: yeah, me too - I used Gentoo for 8 months recently butgot tired of all the compiling.. I just need a puter that works out of the box.
[01:28] <SeamusLP> ZyV: You're using warty warthog, correct?
[01:28] <ZyV> yeah !
[01:28] <SeamusLP> They supposedly fixed a lot of that in the newest release
[01:28] <Guerin> well, ubuntu live failed to finish booting on my machine; despite the md5 checking out
[01:29] <lunatik> :) np
[01:29] <saik0> Guerin, am I doing this through a terminal, or the GUI somewhere
[01:29] <Guerin> so I'm not horrendously impressed, I must say
[01:29] <ZyV> well but i'f no time and no bandwith to download new brand ubuntu SeamusLP
[01:29] <Guerin> saik0: you do this in the evolution gui
[01:29] <SeamusLP> goo:  Damn, same here.  My roommate talked me into using gentoo for awhile, and that had good package management despite the compile time
[01:29] <saik0> SeamusLP, I was also using gentoo before Ubuntu
[01:29] <ZyV> what do you think SeamusLP, it hangs or i'm so impatient ?
[01:30] <SeamusLP> Wait, it didn't boot last time?
[01:30] <goo> SeamusLP: yeah, the package management is the most perfect package manager I ever encountered, but the binary packages are rearly updated, and all the compiles just killed me. And I misset checkinstall :))
[01:30] <goo> s/misset/missed/
[01:30] <ZyV> it boot but get 2 errors on hotplug starting SeamusLP
[01:30] <ZyV> exactly:
[01:30] <SeamusLP> ZyV:  That's normal in warty warthog.
[01:30] <ZyV> this to errors on hotplug starting: "modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/......../pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permited".  And the same for the shpchp.ko module, What happens ???
[01:31] <ZyV> so i try to boot again and wait to hotplug starting finish ?
[01:31] <sean_> hello everyone
[01:31] <ZyV> sorry, remake question:
[01:31] <mjg59> ZyV: Those errors are harmless
[01:32] <ZyV> so may i try to boot again and wait to hotplug starting finish ?
[01:32] <SeamusLP> goo, saik0:  I find ubuntu to simply be more stable.  Cutting edge and stable...  It's hard to beat that.
[01:32] <paulfox> ZyV, without acpi=off warty will NOT boot. the errors are not important
[01:32] <ZyV> hi SeamusLP
[01:32] <sean_> how you all doing
[01:32] <darmou_> damn yellowdog flash did not work
[01:32] <SeamusLP> yeah ZyV just wait for hotplug to finish...
[01:32] <ZyV> well then i try to boot again and wait for hotplug stating finish
[01:32] <saik0> SeamusLP, :nod::
[01:32] <ZyV> ok ok
[01:32] <ZyV> lets try
[01:32] <ZyV> thanx again !!
[01:32] <sean_> ls
[01:32] <ger2> hi, anyone has experience with synce synchronization?
[01:33] <goo> ger2: yeah.
[01:33] <Guerin> goo: huh, I know a guy who has ubuntu working perfectly on a t40
[01:33] <mjg59> goo: Uh. acpi ought to work fine with a T40.
[01:33] <Guerin> out of the box, apparently
[01:33] <saik0> SeamusLP, add a bazillion pacakges, and easy to install, and works out of the box on alot of systems
[01:33] <SeamusLP> But you know gentoo teaches you a lot.  Not a bad distro in that regard.
[01:33] <Vorik> goo: Great, I really cant get it to sync with Kontact.
[01:33] <sean_> lol
[01:33] <goo> mjg59, guerby: suspend works so much better when you use apm and throw out apmd.
[01:34] <mjg59> goo: Suspend should work fine with ACPI on a T40
[01:34] <sean_> asd
[01:34] <goo> Vorik: well, neither can I - since I don't use that. <3 Evolution + multisync <3
[01:34] <Xappe> SeamusLP: well, using Hoary five months before release teached me some things too :)
[01:34] <mjg59> You need to enable it in /etc/default/acpi-support and reboot, then it should just work
[01:34] <goo> mjg59: well, I think it works _better_ with apm.
[01:34] <Vorik> oh.. too bad :(
[01:34] <Vorik> thanks anyway
[01:34] <saik0> Guerin, seems I'm blind. Could you offer something a bit more point-here anc click-there cuz I'm not seeing how to pipe anything through anyting in evolution
[01:34] <mjg59> goo: acpi gives better battery life
[01:34] <NeoCicak> hello
[01:35] <mjg59> But sure, there's no harm in using apm if it works
[01:35] <NeoCicak> could anyone tell me how can i turn on the DMA for my cd rom?
[01:35] <goo> mjg59: My battery lasts 5 hours anyway, I don't really care about that as long as suspend is really fast and stable.
[01:35] <SeamusLP> Xappe: heh you should see how crazy gentoo users can be.  Read the GCC 4.0 thread in the gentoo forums
[01:35] <goo> mjg59: I have the BIG battery... :] 
[01:35] <Guerin> saik0: tools -> filters ; add
[01:35] <saik0> NeoCicak, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX
[01:35] <NeoCicak> saik0 : thx
[01:36] <MistaED> would anyone be making an emu-tools deb package for ubuntu for the emu10k1 sound chipset? the source won't compile for me
[01:36] <kbrooks> Can someone kindly send me a test message at webmaster@linux-pub.org? :)
[01:36] <NeoCicak> hmmm i got this error message while performing hdparm:  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[01:36] <NeoCicak> has nayone ever got that message?
[01:36] <saik0> Guerin, all I see is Pilot Settings and Manage Plugins in the Tools menu
[01:37] <PtitOurs> hi does someone try to put enlightenment on hoary ?
[01:37] <paulfox> NeoCicak, do "sudo hdparm...."
[01:37] <goo> NeoCicak: are you trying to set that on a cdrom/dvd device?
[01:37] <NeoCicak>  i did already
[01:37] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak: Indeed I have
[01:37] <NeoCicak> dvd
[01:37] <goo> NeoCicak: exactly.
[01:37] <PtitOurs> does it look cool ?
[01:37] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: did you solve the problem?
[01:37] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak:  The problem lies in the order your modules are loading.
[01:37] <Guerin> saik0: what version?
[01:37] <MistaED> PtitOurs: is enlightenment better than the luminosity thing?
[01:37] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: how can i know the order of modules i'm loading?
[01:38] <saik0> 2.2.1.1
[01:38] <MistaED> i saw enlightenment has a cool opengl renderer for the window manager
[01:38] <PtitOurs> MistaED, i dont know what's the luminosity thing
[01:38] <SeamusLP> try /etc/modules
[01:38] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak:  Using intel or amd?
[01:38] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: intel
[01:38] <Guerin> saik0: woah, I'm way behind, then
[01:38] <Guerin> saik0: 2.0.3
[01:38] <saik0> Guerin, it would be nice to send it through clamd too
[01:39] <MistaED> luminosity is some opengl-accelerated window manager which will eventually go into metacity
[01:39] <Guerin> saik0: that's possible, too; using the same principle
[01:39] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak is piix and ide-core at the top?
[01:39] <Guerin> saik0: just try to find the "filters" section
[01:39] <PtitOurs> i am trying to replace matacity by enlightenment, and i'm wondering if it's not better to kill gnome and take all enlightenment
[01:39] <saik0> Guerin, though spam is definetly more of a problem then virii in linux (for now anyways)
[01:39] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak of /etc/modules I mean
[01:39] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: where can i paste my /etc/modules?
[01:40] <Guerin> saik0: spamassassin will get most virus-laden mails as collateral damage
[01:40] <SeamusLP> What do you mean?
[01:40] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: it's in http://rafb.net/paste/results/CzpnRd86.html
[01:40] <NeoCicak> my /etc/module  ...
[01:40] <NeoCicak> modules... sorry
[01:41] <goo> Why isn't NOPASSWD: in the sudoers file as default in Ubuntu? It's bloody annoying to have to write ones password all the time :)
[01:41] <Xappe> anyone knows when the next gnomebaker with bin/cue support is to be released?
[01:41] <SeamusLP> Okay try this first, modprobe piix ; modprobe ide-core
[01:42] <Guerin> goo: there's this pesky thing called 'security'
[01:42] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: ok.. then?
[01:42] <saik0> Guerin, I've been annoyed with Evolution adn gpilot as of late. I am | this | close to removing it and installing JPilot and Thunderbird or Sylpheed
[01:42] <Guerin> goo: anyone who uses NMOPASSWD in sudoers needs to be hung from the highest trees
[01:42] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak:  No errors or anything?  Try setting your dma now...
[01:42] <Guerin> saik0: i just use mutt... i only know because I set it up for my wife
[01:42] <vniki> nas
[01:42] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: still the same error message...HDIO_SET_DMA failed...
[01:42] <vniki> hay alguien?
[01:42] <goo> Guerin: what, security? It needs to be userfriendly! (I know, I'm stupid :)
[01:42] <ZyV> hi again ..
[01:43] <Guerin> goo: ...
[01:43] <ZyV> definitly it hangs on starting hotplug subsystem SeamusLP and paulfox
[01:43] <goo> Guerin: but it could be an option during install: "Get windows-compatible security  [  ] " :)
[01:43] <ZyV> i've waited about 3 minutes
[01:43] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak:  Try adding piix and ide-core at the very top of your /etc/modules and then reload them
[01:43] <saik0> lol @ goo
[01:44] <vniki> someone knows if hoary have gnome 2.10?
[01:44] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: do i have to restart my computer for that?
[01:44] <goo> vniki: yes, it certainly does.
[01:44] <Guerin> goo: hehe
[01:44] <deFrysk> vniki, yes
[01:44] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: also.. why is fglrx listed multiple times there... any idea?
[01:44] <Guerin> goo: NOPASSWD wouldn't go far enough
[01:44] <ZyV> SeamusLP, definitly it hangs on starting hotplug subsystem
[01:44] <vniki> deFrys you recomanate me hoary?
[01:44] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak: good question.
[01:44] <ZyV> paulfox,  definitly it hangs on starting hotplug subsystem
[01:44] <SeamusLP> ZyV: Didn't you disable acpi?
[01:44] <goo> Guerin: no, a chmod -R 1777 /  would be necessary as well
[01:44] <ZyV> yes SeamusLP
[01:44] <ZyV> sure !
[01:45] <saik0> you would need some kind of disable the terminal option
[01:45] <goo> no, wait, 1 is suid - i need +t
[01:45] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak:  It probably wouldn't hurt or help to delete three of them.
[01:45] <kent> Is there some one called David from Gothenburg here right now? I just saw on the ubuntu world wide map, the he most likely wrote -12 as the longitude and not +12 as it should be..
[01:46] <Guerin> goo: not to mention a few other things, notably inetd.conf ...
[01:46] <SeamusLP> ZyV:  I thought you said it was booting...
[01:46] <ZyV> yes SeamusLP
[01:46] <NeoCicak> ok... i'll reboot my comp now
[01:46] <SeamusLP> ZyV: But it never gets past hotplug, even with acpi=off?
[01:46] <ZyV> thats it SeamusLP !
[01:47] <goo> Guerin: one should probably "fix" (as in neuter) glib a bit so that buffer overruns occur more often.
[01:47] <Guerin> goo: heh
[01:47] <SeamusLP> ZyV:  did you try nohotplug?
[01:47] <Guerin> goo: windox
[01:47] <saik0> maybe if such an option exited we would have the ability to edit menus =P
[01:48] <Amaranth> saik0: We have the ability to edit menus.
[01:48] <goo> Anyway, what was the name of that gtk2 dict client again?
[01:48] <ZyV> i've not tried SeamusLP but if if boot with no hotplug then i get no usb then i cant type with my usb keyboard
[01:48] <ZyV> isnt it SeamusLP ?
[01:48] <EddieX|Study> Im planning on to test kde, will apt remove all kde stuff if i use apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop --purge ?
[01:48] <Guerin> goo: gnome-terminal -e dict foo ?
[01:48] <saik0> Amaranth, I know, cheeky Amaranth popping in here evry time he hears 'menu' and edit' =P
[01:48] <Amaranth> EddieX|Study: No, because that's just a metapackage. :)
[01:48] <goo> Guerin: :-P
[01:49] <Amaranth> saik0: I have xchat set to beep. :)
[01:49] <SeamusLP> ZyV:  Maybe, maybe not...  I think hotplug is mainly for detecting changes in hardware.  Changes that have occurred since you installed.
[01:49] <Guerin> oops
[01:49] <deFrysk> EddieX|Study, remeove qt
[01:49] <EddieX|Study> Amaranth, hehe i know ;)
[01:49] <Guerin> a little bit of #debian humour spilling over there
[01:49] <ZyV> ok SeamusLP lets try
[01:49] <ZyV> but SeamusLP
[01:49] <EddieX|Study> Then i will stick with gnome, it is great.
[01:49] <MistaED> ubuntu is pretty small, only using 2.5gb atm and i've been apt-getting all this stuff
[01:49] <ZyV> i try both acpi=off and nohotplug=true 
[01:49] <ZyV> or only nohotplug=true SeamusLP ?
[01:49] <saik0> lol at Amaranth! Thats hilarious.
[01:50] <SeamusLP> leave off acpi=off, and it's just nohotplug I believe
[01:50] <goo> Guerin: watch it so they don't complain about that as well... (http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3496541)
[01:50] <Amaranth> saik0: I don't really. ;)
[01:50] <schasi> MistaED: If you would delete all *.debs in /var/cache/apt/archive it would be even smaller
[01:50] <ZyV> i type nohotplug=on or only nohotplug SeamusLP ???
[01:50] <SeamusLP> just nohotplug
[01:50] <ZyV> o
[01:50] <saik0> Amaranth: should have let me in in my fantasy world where you did, it was more entertaining
[01:50] <ZyV> ok
[01:50] <ZyV> thanx
[01:50] <NeoCicak> SeamuSLP: works like a charm mate.. thx!
[01:51] <fenglin> i am chinese people
[01:51] <SeamusLP> NeoCicak:  I'm surprised they haven't fixed that one...  Are you still running the PR or the final?
[01:51] <Guerin> goo: it's all about person-hours
[01:51] <goo> btw, I finally found out how to make usb mice work consistently when not reading from /dev/input/mice ( http://kose.no/howto/usbmouse) - does the ubuntu wiki take RSS? (i hate copy/pasting doc)
[01:51] <NeoCicak> SeamusLP: final... well.. i did apt-get dist-upgrade from warty
[01:52] <nate> woohoo. Hoary installed
[01:52] <nate> First impressions: I *love* *love* *love* the new 'open only one window' option in Nautilus Spatial mode
[01:52] <nate> it's actually pleasant to use now
[01:52] <Guerin> eew
[01:52] <MistaED> 172mb in there, schasi
[01:52] <Guerin> spatial
[01:52] <MistaED> still, not bad
[01:53] <SeamusLP> Nate:  Really?  I hated that.  I hated spatial too.  I just changed it to browser only in the configuration editor.
[01:53] <nate> That's what I used to do
[01:53] <Arnia> I love spatial... I don't like the new mode
[01:53] <Unfrgiven> hey all. just logged in using the 5.04 Live CD. Excellent efforts by the developers. this looks like a VERY polished distro. Gonna give Sarge a run for its money I think.
[01:53] <nate> but I disliked having so much window real estate taken up with big button bars
[01:53] <NeoCicak> nautilus spatial?
[01:53] <NeoCicak> wha'ts that?
[01:53] <nate> The default mode
[01:53] <Unfrgiven> Got a question though. Can I install Ubuntu from the live cd?
[01:53] <goo> nate: I *hate* *hate* *hate* it - if you need to know. always_use_browser <3
[01:53] <nate> mmm
[01:53] <goo> ;)
[01:53] <saik0> I dunno much about making a desktop environment, but personally I'm glad nautilus has both and does them well
[01:54] <nate> funny thing, I tried that on Warty and it sorta worked, but some things seemed to always trigger spatial mode regardless
[01:54] <SeamusLP> nate:  Really?  Never had that happen with me...
[01:54] <nate> personally I think bits of spatial and browse mode should be configurable on a finer grain
[01:54] <NeoCicak> sjoerd: jemmy?
[01:54] <saik0> I love browser, some swear by spatial. It seems to me to depend on how the person thinks of their filesystem
[01:54] <goo> nate: I agree with you :)
[01:55] <nate> well, for instance, opening places from the Computer menu in Warty would always seem to open them in Spatial even if I had Always Use Browse Mode selected in gconf
[01:55] <nate> one thing I do miss
[01:55] <nate> and that's the ability to right-click a folder and go 'open this in a new window'. 'Browse this folder' isn't *quite* what I want because the button bar takes up too much room
[01:56] <nate> but at least now I don't get zillions of windows all over my desktop and have to close each one manually
[01:56] <saik0> So nobody knows how to configre evolution to pass messages through daemons, namely spamd and clamd
[01:56] <nate> I'm glad someone was listening, whoever it was who added that change
[01:56] <Guerin> saik0: can you not find any sort of filter config?
[01:56] <Guerin> once you find that it's self-explanatory
[01:56] <Unfrgiven> Can I install Ubuntu from the live cd?
[01:56] <SeamusLP> nate:  I just found it to be like spatial but without the benefits of spatial.  For example, easier drag and drop, easier to traverse backup the tree.
[01:57] <SeamusLP> *traverse back up
[01:57] <saik0> Guerin, noe to speak of in my version. I see 2 checkboxes and thats it
[01:57] <johns^> saik0: can't procmail handle it?
[01:57] <superted> Unfrgiven: no
[01:57] <Unfrgiven> superted: bummer :(
[01:58] <Guerin> johns^: procmial would require properly set-up local mail distribution
[01:58] <Guerin> ... which most desktop systems don't have
[01:59] <johns^> hm, never mind then
[02:01] <saik0> One of the checkboxes is 'Include remote tests' and I have no idea what that does
[02:03] <saik0> tiny flood(ish) incoming
[02:03] <rijad> Hmm can't linux handle many files in one dir?
[02:03] <saik0> This option uses tests that require a network connection, such as checking to see if a message is in a list of known junk messages, or if the sender or gateway are blacklisted by anti-spam organizations. Remote tests add to the amount of time it takes to check for junk mail, but increase accuracy.
[02:03] <bob2> rijad: sure it can
[02:03] <SeamusLP> rijad:  How do you mean?
[02:04] <saik0> so obviously not what I'm looking for
[02:04] <bob2> saik0: you can't use random programs, but you can use SA
[02:04] <rijad> Well i got about 1500pics in one dir, and now when i try to open it the system just "hangs", or i mean the browser hangs
[02:04] <saik0> bob2, random programs, it's evolution for crying out loud. and it's been supported in previous versions
[02:05] <archster> does either ubuntu or kubuntu have a change log anywhere ???
[02:05] <rijad> is there a better alternative to nutellus?
[02:05] <lunatik> hum, I rode that there is mayby plan to put e17 in ubuntu, is there an URL for that please ? :)
[02:05] <saik0> rijad, it might be the browser trying to create thumbnails for all of them...
[02:05] <johns^> gqview
[02:05] <SeamusLP> rijad: gqview is definitely what you want to view images
[02:06] <deFrysk> rijad, set nautilus to not open files as thumbnails
[02:06] <rijad> hmm I'll try it
[02:06] <fenglin> haha ................I am from china......................
[02:06] <fenglin> haha ................I am from china......................
[02:06] <fenglin> haha ................I am from china......................
[02:06] <fenglin> haha ................I am from china......................
[02:06] <rijad> where to do that?
[02:06] <deFrysk> rijad, somwhere in the settings
[02:06] <bob2> saik0: using any arbitrary program as a filter was supported in warty?
[02:06] <SeamusLP> rijad:  I've not had said problem with nautilus, though.  Is it doing it in icon view or list view?
[02:07] <rijad> well whats default?
[02:07] <bob2> icon
[02:07] <bob2> generating 1500 thumbnails will take forever
[02:07] <bob2> the kernel itself doesn't think 1500 is very many
[02:07] <deFrysk> bob2 thats what I thought yes
[02:08] <saik0> bob2, according to Guerin he configured it using evolution 2.03
[02:08] <bob2> saik0: spamassassin?  yes, that is supported fine.
[02:08] <rijad> so it's done now :)
[02:09] <closure> how do i upgrade the distro?
[02:09] <bob2> closure: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:09] <closure> apt-get upgrade-distro?
[02:09] <saik0> bob2, I cant seem to get evolution 2.2.1.1 to send messages to spamd or clamd
[02:09] <deFrysk> closure, almost right
[02:09] <closure> distro-upgrade?
[02:09] <deFrysk> closure, dist-upgrade
[02:10] <bob2> saik0: I think you're mixing up what I said
[02:10] <closure> thanks
[02:10] <SeamusLP> rijad:  go into your nautilus preferences and look in the preview tab
[02:10] <bob2> saik0: evolution can use spamassassin just fine, afaik, but you can't configure it to use any random program you like
[02:10] <rijad> Yeah i yust did that
[02:11] <SeamusLP> You might be better off only previewing images below 500kb in nautilus, or just disabling it altogether
[02:12] <saik0> bob2, Alright so right now with spamd running evolution is filtering messages without any addidional configuration?
[02:12] <MM2> Can I upgrade from debian woody to ubuntu hedgehoe? With apt-get even?
[02:12] <bob2> saik0: as far as I know, it doesn't use spamd at all
[02:12] <bob2> MM2: not easily
[02:12] <bob2> it might work
[02:12] <bob2> but it's not supported
[02:12] <gds> Hi everybody, How can I do for organize and listen my m4a files?
[02:12] <closure> WOOOHOOO the sources.list thing has been updated for the automated script!
[02:12] <SeamusLP> MM2:  What, you mean by changing your repositories to hoary hedgehog and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:12] <MM2> So I should reinstall os...
[02:12] <ac-id> my dist-upgrade fucked out
[02:13] <SeamusLP> MM2:  I think you'd be in dependency hell if you tried that
[02:13] <closure> ac-id, mine did that too
[02:13] <bob2> ac-id: language, please
[02:13] <fenglin> how do i upgrade the GCC
[02:13] <closure> and my sources just got screwed as well
[02:13] <ac-id> bob2, then how about some help or response
[02:13] <closure> i rebuilt them with this automated script
[02:13] <ac-id> the only time i get answered is when i swear
[02:13] <rijad> hmm, where do i find wwwroot.dir for Apache as default?
[02:13] <closure> ac-id, lol you are being answered now homie
[02:13] <MM2> ac-id: I get answered all the time, and I never swear...
[02:13] <rOss^32> are there ati drivers built into kernel i was looking in synaptic package manager and didnt see anything
[02:14] <thoreauputic> ac-id: umm. after one minute of waiting? Patience...
[02:14] <bob2> ac-id: that's an extremely bad attitude
[02:14] <MM2> So I format my server and install ubuntu on it :)
[02:14] <bob2> good luck with that
[02:14] <lifeless> bob2: ping
[02:14] <ac-id> MM2: you must be special
[02:14] <ac-id> not patience
[02:14] <ac-id> just bad luck perhaps
[02:14] <daniels> lifeless: i'm concerned
[02:14] <closure> rOss^32, i'm not sure but are you trying to work an ATI Rage Mobility by chance?
[02:14] <Arnia> ac-id: People answer when they know the answer / have time to answer. Be patient.
[02:14] <rOss^32> nope
[02:14] <rOss^32> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-5-686 |  AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1600+ 1406.162 MHz | Bogomips: 2785.28 | Mem: 347/504M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 32.73G | Procs: 67 | Uptime: 25 mins 21 secs  | Load: 0.04 0.15 0.25  | Vpenis: 33.5 cm | Screen: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]  @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 9.58M Out: 0.47M
[02:14] <daniels> lifeless: nice work with baz 1.3, btw
[02:14] <saik0> bob2, ::confused:: so evolution uses spamassassin without spamd?
[02:14] <rOss^32> 7000
[02:14] <SeamusLP> MM2:  Always thought of ubuntu as more of a desktop OS.  Go for it though, it will probably work alright.
[02:14] <Arnia> ac-id: Or would you rather have incomplete, bad answers delivered in a rush :)
[02:15] <fenglin> i want to upgrade the c++.how do i . who can help me?
[02:15] <lifeless> daniels: thanks. got the release ? should piss all over 1.2's speed.
[02:15] <MM2> SeamusLP: I have started to dislike debian, it's too OLD
[02:15] <rOss^32> i get like 200fps in glxgears
[02:15] <bob2> saik0: as far as I know, yes
[02:15] <daniels> lifeless: nope, been too busy with packaging xorg and dbus
[02:15] <MM2> I need never PHP etc
[02:15] <rOss^32> i cant even play tuxracer :|
[02:15] <rijad> lol
[02:15] <lifeless> daniels: well, when you do ;)... lemme know :)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> fenglin: You need to install build-essential probably
[02:15] <feedback> hi guys... it's ages since hoary repository had the last update ~ that's right though ~ any idea 'bout the date for the opening of the next bleeding edge one?
[02:16] <bob2> saik0: remember, spamassassin is also just a command line program
[02:16] <Markrian> feedback, 6 months
[02:16] <bob2> saik0: spamd is just an optimisation so perl doesn't have to start up all the time
[02:16] <feedback> Markrian: 6 months is the RELEASE DATE
[02:16] <daniels> lifeless: i will, as long as I can commit to debrix :P
[02:17] <feedback> that's not exactly what i asked for ;)
[02:17] <Markrian> feedback, so you wanna know whe the Breezy Badger opens its dev branch?
[02:17] <feedback> Markrian: yeah
[02:17] <lifeless> daniels: nah, you don't need to do that ;)
[02:17] <bob2> feedback: it's been < 72 hours
[02:17] <ac-id> did anyone get my paste?
[02:17] <bob2> feedback: let them sober up first
[02:17] <lifeless> bob2: we're never sober!
[02:17] <feedback> bob2: haha ok, well, i was just impatient
[02:17] <fenglin> i want to upgrade the c++.how do i . who can help me?
[02:17] <rijad> hmm it wasn't 1500pics but 29956 :S now i know why it hanged...
[02:18] <fenglin> what shoud i do ?
[02:18] <bob2> lifeless: that's why you're not on distro team!
[02:18] <bob2> fenglin: you mean upgrade g++? to what version? and why?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> fenglin: do you have build-essential installed ?
[02:18] <nate> I'm playing with Ruby
[02:18] <daniels> feedback: dude, 'ages' has included a weekend
[02:18] <nate> is there a preferred best practice method of installing Ruby libraries on Hoary?
[02:18] <thenuke> hmm, is it possible to get the older counter-strike working in ubuntu
[02:18] <saik0> bob2, right. thanks. I guess i'm justnot used to things 'just work'ing in linux yet =)
[02:18] <daniels> feedback: most of us went off to rediscover sleep
[02:18] <fenglin> bob2    i can't  speak english
[02:18] <SeamusLP> rijad: damn, I don't even want to imagine it trying to render that many thumbnails at once.  I Imagine if you let it go it would have eventually finished..
[02:19] <venkman> soylent green is made of people!
[02:19] <fenglin> bob2   i am from china
[02:19] <daniels> feedback: not all of us did it; some of us were too busy packaging new versions of fglrx, working on huge xorg changes and a new upstream branch of dbus
[02:19] <nate> I'm figuring I'll install Ruby Gems and let it do its own package thing, but should I be hunting for a Debianised repository somewhere?
[02:19] <fenglin> i want to upgrade c++
[02:19] <feedback> daniels: daniels well yeah, 'ages' means even 10 hours for me ;)
[02:19] <fenglin> no!
[02:20] <rijad> hmm where do i get a list of running preccesses on the system?
[02:20] <feedback> ps xau
[02:20] <SeamusLP> rijad:  I like to use gnome-system-monitor, under applications -> system tools
[02:20] <bob2> fenglin: try #ubuntu-zh or #ubuntu-ch or something
[02:20] <rijad> thx
[02:20] <queuetue> How well are SATA controllers/drives supported?
[02:21] <SeamusLP> I keep it running on a virtual desktop at all times
[02:21] <bob2> queuetue: well
[02:21] <queuetue> bob2, As well as IDE?  No concerns?
[02:21] <fenglin> bob2 thanks
[02:22] <bob2> queuetue: I don't know of any common chipsets that aren't supported
[02:22] <bob2> queuetue: they're newer, so tend to have more weird mobo-incompatibility things, I guess
[02:22] <rijad> how do i kill a process as root in terminal?
[02:22] <fenglin> bob2 where are you from
[02:23] <bob2> rijad: kill <pid>
[02:23] <bob2> rijad: where <pid> can be found from 'ps aux' and such
[02:23] <bob2> rijad: (use sudo as approriate)
[02:23] <bob2> fenglin: Australia
[02:24] <fenglin> i know ...it's very beautiful
[02:24] <Guerin> bob2: are you aware that they speak a dialect of english in australia called "Strine"?
[02:25] <fenglin> bob2 ...i know ...it's very beautiful.....i want  to go the!re
[02:25] <SeamusLP> rijad:  killall is also a nice program to know.  If you wanted to kill all instances of nautilus, it's killall nautilus :)
[02:25] <bob2> Guerin: but we can't marry sheep
[02:25] <Guerin> bob2: i'm not sure what that has to do with anything
[02:25] <bob2> SeamusLP: hah, better to use pkill which does the same thing
[02:25] <Guerin> bob2: I was just curious as to whether you knew
[02:25] <Guerin> since I found out only recently
[02:25] <bob2> SeamusLP: killall on solaris will literally kill everything
[02:25] <bob2> Guerin: er, yes, I did know that
[02:26] <Guerin> hrm
[02:26] <SeamusLP> bob2:  Heh I don't like solaris.
[02:26] <Guerin> curious
[02:26] <Amaranth> bob2: You can kill the solaris kernel? :)
[02:28] <rijad> bob2: got a real big prolem, i stripped my site with wget and know it seams that it wont stop :S
[02:28] <SeamusLP> control-c?
[02:28] <rijad> i did that :S
[02:29] <SeamusLP> ....killall wget?
[02:29] <rijad> did that to :S
[02:29] <SeamusLP> I'm sorry, pkill wget :P
[02:29] <Amaranth> o_O
[02:29] <rijad> ohh
[02:29] <rijad> ill try that
[02:29] <Amaranth> is wget defunct?
[02:30] <rijad> don't know what you mean... but it has eaten 1GB bandwidth...
[02:31] <rijad> ok it's fixed now :) thx guys
[02:31] <thenuke> hey how do I disable syslogd
[02:31] <SeamusLP> I would certainly hope killing the process fixed it
[02:31] <thenuke> and klogd
[02:32] <bob2> thenuke: why?
[02:32] <thenuke> bob2: They might cause my harddisk to wakeup from power saving mode, and I dont need them
[02:33] <bob2> I'd dispute that
[02:33] <bob2> but just stopping them should be enough
[02:34] <bob2> bear in mind that laptop-mode does stuff like that already
[02:34] <thenuke> I would like to stop them from loading at startup, rather than stopping them everytime manually if I boot that machine, hmm, never heard of laptop-mode
[02:34] <fenglin> bob2 ...where do i get the linux2.6.10.5     ....i want to download it
[02:35] <bob2> thenuke: then use rcconf to disable them, if you think it's wise
[02:35] <thenuke> ah, laptop-mode sounds like what I want
[02:35] <bob2> you already have it installed
[02:35] <bob2> and configured
[02:35] <bob2> (if you have ubuntu-desktop installeD)
[02:35] <thenuke> I dont
[02:36] <lunitik> bob2: on account of you have more say than I, any chance you could try to push for rcconf to be in ubuntu-base? handy tool, and many people ask about things it can do...
[02:36] <thenuke> did server install
[02:36] <thenuke> but does that need acpi, I dont think I have working acpi on this old machine
[02:36] <bob2> laptop-mode doesn't require acpi
[02:36] <cmug> I am trying to enable my wireless pcmcia card to use WPA-PSK. I manage to get WEP working. Where do I input WPA-PSK encryption key?
[02:36] <bob2> lunitik: hah, I have no more say than anyone else, but rcconf is pretty broken, apparently
[02:37] <bob2> lunitik:  Ithink sysv-rc-conf is supposed to replace it
[02:37] <lunitik> bob2: hmm... never used that
[02:37] <cmug> the AP is rejecting me
[02:37] <bob2> cmug: aiui you need to use wpa-supplicant manually
[02:37] <cmug> bob2, aha, what does that mean then
[02:37] <anarklov3r> Hey ppl
[02:38] <fenglin> bob2   kernel 2.6.10.5
[02:38] <anarklov3r> i need help badddddd
[02:38] <anarklov3r> can any1 help me?
[02:38] <lunitik> bob2: hmm, seems thats in universe too though... Ubuntu needs to install an easy Runlevel configuration tool   :(
[02:38] <bob2> anarklov3r: not until you ask a question
[02:38] <bob2> fenglin: why do you want it?
[02:38] <redduck666> talking about ubuntu live cd, can i write/delete files on a ntfs partition
[02:38] <bob2> cmug: that you need to install the wpa-supplicant package and read the manpage, I guess
[02:38] <bob2> that's all I know
[02:38] <bob2> redduck666: no
[02:38] <SeamusLP> lunitik:  I always liked rc-update in gentoo
[02:38] <bob2> lunitik: you can suggest that for breezy
[02:38] <bob2> lunitik: (I do agree)
[02:38] <lunitik> SeamusLP: I don't use Gentoo, never would
[02:39] <redduck666> bob2, no by default or no way to do it?
[02:39] <anarklov3r> ok well i downlaoded the ubuntu ISO big file lol i burnt it at ~30x speed just incase cuz its an os, restared and it wont boot off the cd!!! i tried exploring it in windows and it says its corrupt can any1 help me?
[02:39] <fenglin> bob2    it's bad ----- my via audio
[02:40] <SeamusLP> lunitik:  Who can blame you.  I get tired of being attacked by gentoo fanboys myself ;)
[02:40] <bob2> redduck666: you'd need to setup captive-ntfs for that, which is pretty non-trivial
[02:40] <bob2> redduck666: it's possible in the sense that anything is ;)
[02:40] <redduck666> bob2, is it difficult to set captiv-ntfs?
[02:40] <bob2> redduck666: not usually, but on a livecd it's not going to be trivial.  I don't know how hard it would be.
[02:41] <bob2> redduck666: probably a lot harder than just booting into windows
[02:41] <SeamusLP> anarklov3r:  Ummm... burn it slower?
[02:41] <bob2> fenglin: you can just download it from www.kernel.org, I guess
[02:41] <anarklov3r> i just tried mounting it in nero image drive and still says its corrupt :(:(
[02:41] <redduck666> bob2, that is my friends computer i'm asking for. hie windoze is fucked up
[02:41] <fenglin> redduck666:it's very easy
[02:41] <jetthe> anarklov3r: Then you got an corrupt ISO.
[02:41] <SeamusLP> anarklov3r looks like you burned a bad cd or got a corrupt iso
[02:41] <cmug> bob2, lol what is the wpa-supplicant? where do I get it?
[02:41] <jetthe> anarklov3r: Re-download and check md5
[02:41] <bob2> anarklov3r: burn it slower
[02:42] <corp> hello
[02:42] <bob2> cmug: as I said, it's a package in ubuntu
[02:42] <cmug> bob2, ok thanks
[02:42] <corp> i just tried to install ubuntu 5.04. i am behind a proxy
[02:42] <anarklov3r> GARRR another 600 mb of bandwidth down the wee hole lol
[02:42] <bob2> cmug: install it as you install any other package. (wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto)
[02:42] <bob2> anarklov3r: or use rsync
[02:42] <corp> i specified to download packages from the net
[02:42] <cmug> that I can manage
[02:42] <corp> but i cant specify proxy
[02:42] <cmug> even tho I use the livecd
[02:42] <anarklov3r> rsync?
[02:42] <corp> and it just sits there, waiting for the network
[02:42] <SeamusLP> anarklov3r I only burn at 8x for things I consider critical... so try that first...
[02:42] <fenglin> but , i don't  know which shoud i download....!
[02:43] <anarklov3r> what is rsync :D:D
[02:43] <anarklov3r> *:S:S
[02:43] <corp> isnt there a way to specify a proxy during installation?
[02:43] <bob2> anarklov3r: nevermind, just download it again
[02:43] <redduck666> fenglin, can you give me a link/tutorial
[02:44] <anarklov3r> well where did you download it frm?
[02:44] <anarklov3r> so i can get it frm there lol
[02:44] <bob2> anarklov3r: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <fenglin> my kernel:Linux linux 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:44] <bob2> 'lol' isn't puntuation, tho
[02:44] <fenglin> my kernel:Linux linux 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:44] <cmug> bob2, altho, there is no such package "wpa-supplicant" or wpa or supplicant
[02:45] <fenglin> what it mean:  link/tutorial
[02:45] <paulfox> does anyone know any good guides for using python for system stuff, like how to make tarballs from a certain dir using python?
[02:45] <bob2> cmug: er, wpasupplicant, oops
[02:45] <cmug> still nothing
[02:45] <bob2> paulfox: I wouldn't bother
[02:45] <bob2> cmug: that package is certainly in hoary
[02:45] <fenglin> ?
[02:45] <bob2> paulfox: you'll just end up shelling out to tar to do it
[02:45] <cmug> bob2, i run the 5.04 livecd
[02:46] <bob2> cmug: probably universe isn't enabled on the livecd
[02:46] <paulfox> bob2, so if i wanted to do a daily backup of a certain directory every day through cron, would i use a bash script?
[02:46] <cmug> bob2, how do I enable that
[02:46] <bob2> but doing it on the livecd seems a little pointless, since you'll need to redownload it everytime you boot
[02:46] <corp> okay so. IS IT possible to install ubuntu 5.04 without a network connection?
[02:46] <bob2> paulfox: yeah
[02:46] <bob2> corp: yes
[02:46] <bob2> corp: of course
[02:46] <paulfox> bob2, ok cheers, i'll look into that
[02:47] <corp> i just tried  it, and it's stuck at "trying networks connection"
[02:47] <fenglin> redduck666, i want to give you ...but my english is very bad.......
[02:47] <corp> it's sitting there doing nothing. i told it NOT to download any packages for my language.
[02:47] <mishof> can someone explain this command (DONT TRY THIS!!!): dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda bs=1M ?
[02:47] <cmug> bob2, yeah but I just want to see it works ;)
[02:48] <cmug> mishof, writes stuff from random to your hda
[02:48] <cmug> block size 1M
[02:48] <corp> bob: why is it trying to connect to the network if i specified no?
[02:48] <linuxboy> mishof: it fills your devic (hda) with random stuff
[02:48] <bluefire> Hey, is it possible to upgrade to Hoary from within Warty?
[02:48] <corp> this was also a problem in the release
[02:48] <SeamusLP> mishof:  You'd better call shenanigans on someone ;)
[02:48] <corp> candadite
[02:48] <mishof> lol thats cool
[02:48] <corp> candidate
[02:48] <bob2> corp: let dhcp time out
[02:48] <bob2> bluefire: of course, wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:48] <corp> well, it should have a dchp address
[02:49] <corp> it says "trying the network repository"
[02:49] <bluefire> thanks bob :)
[02:49] <corp> it's been there for around 10 minutes now
[02:49] <corp> i suspect this is a bug in the installer
[02:49] <anarklov3r> whic release is latest?
[02:49] <anarklov3r> 4.10/
[02:49] <anarklov3r> 5.04/
[02:49] <anarklov3r> hoary/
[02:49] <anarklov3r> warty/
[02:49] <mishof> 5.04 = hoary
[02:50] <corp> bah. can i stop the installation and do it manually somehow?
[02:50] <corp> this is my second time trying to install, and it stopped both times at the network access screen
[02:50] <anarklov3r> umm WHY is it a dvd? the onei got was a 600 mb cd iso :S:S
[02:50] <redduck666> is there any utility in ubuntu live cd that allows me to resize windoze partitions without data loose?
[02:50] <bob2> corp: so tell it to not use the network if your network is broken
[02:50] <SiRrUs> corp mine did as well a couple days ago. I waited for a longer then normal period and it worked
[02:51] <SeamusLP> redduck666:  I think you can do that on the install cd
[02:51] <fenglin> corp you can pass it:  network
[02:51] <redduck666> SeamusLP, without data lose?
[02:51] <SeamusLP> redduck666:  Not sure how far I'd trust GNU parted to resize NTFS partitions
[02:52] <anarklov3r> garrrr is there a HTTP or FTP link ?? torent is slow lol
[02:52] <corp> frng: sorry?
[02:52] <haritz> hi
[02:52] <haritz> hi all!
[02:53] <SeamusLP> redduck666: I think you'll be fine as long as your partition has enough free space on the end and isn't heavily fragmented
[02:53] <haritz> i'm a newbie for ubuntu
[02:53] <cmug> bob2, enabling universal? is this something related to Synaptic?
[02:53] <redduck666> SeamusLP, thanks
[02:53] <bob2> cmug: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:54] <cmug> does not describe "Universal"
[02:54] <haritz> how do i get xmms ?
[02:54] <bob2> cmug: universe
[02:54] <haritz> who know tell me plz
[02:54] <SeamusLP> sudo apt-get install xmms
[02:54] <bob2> haritz: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:55] <bob2> haritz: it's in the universe repository
[02:55] <cmug> bob2, ooh my bad. is that a repository?
[02:55] <cmug> righty
[02:55] <anarklov3r> hmm i think i downloaded "warty" before not the new one :S:S
[02:55] <SeamusLP> Right, what bob said :)
[02:55] <haritz> oh i already typed it !
[02:55] <haritz> but it not work
[02:55] <deFrysk> slow here ? >:>
[02:55] <fenglin> hi all ......i want to sleep .....bye    good night   ....take notice : i am a chinese people....i usual come here~!
[02:55] <bzbb2> hmm, it takes all the fun out without the constant updates :P
[02:55] <SeamusLP> Yeah look in that wiki and add the universe repository
[02:56] <SeamusLP> You'll be cool when you do that
[02:56] <bob2> haritz: read the page I told you about
[02:56] <haritz> ok
[02:56] <haritz> i' ll try
[02:56] <anarklov3r> :O 2.7 GB!!! farkkkk
[02:57] <corp> well anyway. so you guys know, if you have a proxy, ubuntu will hang at the network download screen. so its better just to install without network
[02:57] <corp> on the install
[02:58] <anarklov3r> omg i never thought i would say this.. but... torrent is always slow.. BUT THIS IS FLYYYINNGGGG
[02:58] <SeamusLP> what are you trying to download anarklov3r?
[02:58] <anarklov3r> well now im downlaod ing the live/installation dvd
[02:58] <haritz> corp ; i have proxy too
[02:58] <anarklov3r> 2.7gb :S:S better be good ;)
[02:59] <SeamusLP> there's a dvd that is both live and installation?
[02:59] <anarklov3r> im using up all my monthly bandwidht on it hhahah i only got 12 gb monthly ahahah
[02:59] <bob2> anarklov3r: the tracker and seed is on gig ethernet
[02:59] <anarklov3r> yer thats what it says
[02:59] <bluefire> so when upgrading through the repository, you only change warty to hoary, not warty-security to hoary security as well?
[02:59] <Xappe> 12 GB monthly?!! that's almost nothing! poor you...
[02:59] <anarklov3r> Intel x86 install/live DVD
[02:59] <anarklov3r> thats what im getting
[02:59] <bob2> bluefire: you change the security lines, too
[02:59] <anarklov3r> Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog)
[02:59] <linuxboy> Xappe: in south africa, adsl has 3gigs...
[03:00] <bob2> anarklov3r: er, that's twice as much data as you need to get
[03:00] <bluefire> thats what I thought, thanks again bob2 :D
[03:00] <anarklov3r> well between 2 am and 8 am its not mettered hehe
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> linuxboy: 3gigs as in download limit or data transfer speed ?
[03:00] <Xappe> linuxboy: oh, guess i'm a lucky swede then
[03:00] <linuxboy> da_bon_bon: download limit speed is 512k... thats the fastest dsl we have
[03:01] <anarklov3r> i get 12 GB monthly downloads
[03:01] <haritz> ah guy ,how  do i change my grub menu ?
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> linuxboy: ohok
[03:01] <floater> Anyone know why I get wrong colors if I try use windows gens emulator thru vmware and win98 ?
[03:01] <linuxboy> da_bon_bon: sucks hey ?
[03:01] <floater> same with wine
[03:01] <bob2> haritz: what do you want to change?
[03:02] <haritz> bob2: i use dual boot
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> linuxboy: much better than my 2kbps "cable" modem connection. but then, money is why i cant buy a faster net connection :)
[03:02] <haritz> between WinXp and Ubuntu
[03:02] <bob2> haritz: and windows isn't listed already?
[03:02] <bob2> haritz: it should be there by default
[03:02] <anarklov3r> mmm i have a 32Mbit modem heheh
[03:02] <haritz> yep window is in the list
[03:02] <anarklov3r> (thats what the specs say :S:S )
[03:02] <linuxboy> da_bon_bon: at home im on a 33.6k :)
[03:03] <haritz> but i want to set the window is default
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> haritz: no you dont.
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> anarklov3r: really? 32 MEGA bytes per fuckin second ?!
[03:04] <haritz> y
[03:04] <anarklov3r> well once i was downloading at 14 mbp/s frm file planet
[03:04] <LeeJunFan> no
[03:04] <anarklov3r> clocked at 250mb file in 13 seconds
[03:04] <LeeJunFan> you dont.
[03:04] <SeamusLP> haritz: Not liking linux?
[03:04] <anarklov3r> :D:D
[03:04] <anarklov3r> but that was fluke hardcore
[03:04] <haritz> i'm a newbie sir
[03:05] <SeamusLP> haritz:  The best way to learn is to use it.  So if you want to learn, keep using it.
[03:05] <LeeJunFan> haritz: I know. but - setting windows as your default is like waking up with a pile of crap on a breakfast tray in front of you.
[03:05] <anarklov3r> lol
[03:05] <SeamusLP> haritz:  The wikipedia will answer most of your questions, as well as IRC and the forums.  Stick with it and you'll be 1337 in no time.
[03:05] <haritz> ^_^
[03:05] <haritz> thx
[03:06] <deFrysk> haritz, earth has been made in no time ;p
[03:06] <Xappe> now, let's see how long I can make myself stay away from the next development branch
[03:07] <Xappe> off@some walking in the sun
[03:08] <ac-id> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libebook8_1.0.4-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:08] <ac-id> how do i fix that
[03:08] <ac-id> im getting errors with apt-get
[03:08] <ac-id> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libebook.so.8', which is also in package evolution-data-server
[03:08] <ac-id> same thing all the time
[03:09] <Akrame> bye here
[03:09] <closure> I have a question i'm trying to reconfigure my spell check files i've been told to do "dpkg-reconfigure locales" if i change this to UK english will it change my currency and everything else to UK all i want is the spelling
[03:11] <paulfox> ac-id, dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/libebook8*.deb will overwrite old files left from old packages
[03:11] <thoreauputic> closure: changing it to Australian English for instance would give you $ curency and UK spelling (approximately)
[03:11] <floater> where can I disable ESD sound drivers from not starting up everytime I reboot ?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> closure: Canadian might be another possibility, not sure
[03:12] <closure> thoreauputic, wow i didn't even think of that
[03:12] <closure> thoreauputic, will i need to get a package for aussie settings?
[03:12] <ac-id> paulfox, THANK YOU!
[03:12] <SeamusLP> floater:  I think I did it by killall esd and then saving my session on logout
[03:12] <nxvl> hi, can someone tell my how do i upgrade my warty to hoary with apt?
[03:12] <paulfox> ac-id, done?
[03:12] <ac-id> not yet
[03:12] <ac-id> going to try now
[03:12] <ac-id> brb
[03:13] <thoreauputic> closure: not sure ( I chose it on install)
[03:13] <nez7165> Hi i need some help still i was on here last night and dident get the problem sorted when i try to write a .img with dvd recored i get a error
[03:13] <closure> yah probably should've done that too
[03:13] <Goshawk> is there Colin Watson here?
[03:13] <floater> SeamusLP: thanks! I'll try that
[03:14] <daniels> Goshawk: not in here, no ... you're the usplash author, right?
[03:14] <SeamusLP> Keep in mind that a lot of things like to use esd, and you'll have to reconfigure them for alsa
[03:14] <Goshawk> yes
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Goshawk: more likely in #ubuntu-devel
[03:14] <Goshawk> ok
[03:14] <ac-id> nah
[03:14] <ac-id> just more errors
[03:14] <ac-id> :/
[03:14] <paulfox> ac-id, try using synaptic to do it
[03:15] <ac-id> root@angusc:~ #  dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libebook8_1.0.4-1_i386.deb
[03:15] <ac-id> (Reading database ... 68001 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:15] <ac-id> Unpacking libebook8 (from .../libebook8_1.0.4-1_i386.deb) ...
[03:15] <ac-id> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
[03:15] <ac-id>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libebook.so.8', which is also in package evolution-data-server
[03:15] <ac-id> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libebook8:
[03:15] <ac-id> mkay
[03:15] <pussfeller> need a lowlevel deamon to watch sound and cap it and pipe it into one system wide doo dad
[03:15] <knudsen_> Hello. I am running one of the "pre-releases" of the new Ubuntu. Will a "apt-get dist-upgrade" give me the same as a new installation?
[03:16] <Sp4rKy> yes if you exec apt-get update before
[03:17] <knudsen_> Sp4rKy: Thanks (and I am running no risk?
[03:17] <knudsen_> )
[03:17] <Sp4rKy> i'd do it and it's perfect
[03:18] <DooD> hi
[03:18] <Sp4rKy> just modify your source.list (change warty with hoary)
[03:18] <DooD> does anyone use jedit here?
[03:18] <zooko> /part #ubuntu goodbye for now, people of #ubunut!
[03:18] <zooko> 
[03:18] <zooko> oops
[03:19] <Sp4rKy> knudsen_ but i think you had already do thos
[03:19] <DooD> anyone can help me on jedit?
[03:19] <knudsen_> Sp4rKy: I'll take a look
[03:19] <queuetue> Will an AGP card plug into a PCI-E slot?  Or are all of my AGP cards useless in the PCI-E world?
[03:19] <hojo> Hi everyone, I'm new to ubuntu and I was wondering if there are any advances with respect to having to killall esd for some applications
[03:19] <knudsen_> Sp4rKy: Where is that file located?
[03:20] <mjr> queuetue, they're useless
[03:20] <bob2> queuetue: aren't they physically different sizes?
[03:20] <bob2> hojo: configure those applications to use esd
[03:20] <chase> anyone made a ncie graphical app to play around with runlevels in gnome?
[03:20] <DooD> queuetue there might a later implementation to support those but as of now there's no support for agp on pci express
[03:20] <mjr> queuetue, I'm sure AGP slotted mbs will be available for a while yet, though
[03:20] <Sp4rKy> knudsen_ /etc/source.list, but you can modify this with synpatic
[03:20] <queuetue> bob2, No clue.  I was just lookiung at a mobo and seconds before clicking "order", I noticed it did not mention AGP speed...
[03:21] <jordanau> queuetue, sell them now on ebay!
[03:21] <jordanau> :)
[03:21] <Sp4rKy> does anybody use foomatic-gui here ?
[03:21] <wezzer-> hey
[03:21] <wezzer-> I have a cd, and I'd like to make an image of it
[03:21] <wezzer-> how do I do that?
[03:22] <closure> thoreauputic, aussies use the metric system as well though don't they
[03:22] <bob2> wezzer-: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=./foo
[03:22] <thoreauputic> closure: yes
[03:22] <wezzer-> bob2: that simple?
[03:22] <wezzer-> can my friend then open it and burn a cd?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> closure: we live in the 21st century ;)
[03:22] <corp> hello
[03:22] <jordanau> hi
[03:22] <corp> i have ubuntu installed now, without the network downloads
[03:23] <corp> but my screen resolution is 640x489
[03:23] <corp> 480
[03:23] <deFrysk> wezzer, hard way = open k3b copy cd -> make iso only
[03:23] <corp> and i can't change it
[03:23] <pont> Hey does anyone know howto install the monodoc for muine ?
[03:23] <corp> how can i have my video detected automatically?
[03:23] <jordanau> you have to edit you xorg.conf file i think
[03:23] <corp> heh
[03:23] <corp> thats not very automatic
[03:24] <jordanau> corp, linux isnt always automatic
[03:24] <pont> jordanau, remembing that ubuntu is spost to be linux for humans , shouldn't it be ?
[03:25] <bob2> wezzer-: yes
[03:25] <jordanau> pont, what do you mean?
[03:25] <corp> what is ubuntu default root password?
[03:25] <SeamusLP> No distribution is perfect.  That's why IRC channels exist, pont.
[03:25] <jordanau> corp, i will check this hang on
[03:25] <jure> corp: there is no
[03:25] <bob2> corp: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:25] <corp> when i try to login as root...
[03:25] <lunitik> bob2: you beat me, damnit
[03:25] <jure> corp: you have to type sudu passwd to set it
[03:25] <wezzer> bob2: ok, thanks
[03:25] <bob2> corp: it tried to automatically configure it(which works for the vast majority of people), but failed, sorry
[03:25] <lunitik> bob2: only got to 'R'  :(
[03:25] <pont> SeamusLP, Its an ok distrabution, but its hardly what its hyped upto be :)
[03:25] <bob2> there's no need to enable the root account
[03:25] <corp> bob: so where is the file i have to edit?
[03:26] <pont> now how can I add my user to the sudo list ?
[03:26] <SeamusLP> pont:  I think ubuntu has made very large strides in linux desktop usability.
[03:26] <bob2> corp: /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[03:26] <bob2> pont: visudo, I guess
[03:26] <thelight> i downloaded some packages from office to install at home
[03:26] <jjesse> just wanted to say great job on the final version of hoary hedgehog
[03:26] <pont> yea but how the heck do I use that
[03:26] <jordanau> bob2, is it xorg or Xorg?
[03:26] <thelight> how do i have aptitude or synaptice install from a folder?
[03:26] <jjesse> got my brother to run linux w/ it now :)
[03:27] <bob2> jordanau: capitals, afaik
[03:27] <lunitik> pont: The hype is: a Debian Desktop done right .... to this end, I think it fullfills its hype
[03:27] <Sp4rKy> please, i've an issue with foomatic-gui and pyhtion , if i post error message, anybody could help me ?
[03:27] <bob2> thelight: you can't, easily
[03:27] <bob2> pont: run it in a terminal
[03:27] <sladen> sudo passwd if you /really/ want to enable direct login to the root acount, but I don't recommend it.
[03:27] <jordanau> bob2, i have both so i wan't sure :)
[03:27] <jure> pont: what i do is open sudoers with vim, and then save it with w!, although visudo would be a better solution
[03:27] <ac-id> k my synaptic just dies on me
[03:27] <ac-id> when i try and fix the broken packages
[03:28] <bob2> thelight: if you put them in a dir, then run 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages' in that dir, then you point point synaptic/apt a tthat dir
[03:28] <ac-id> any way for me to do it from console?
[03:28] <corp> bob: it seems to have detechted my card. i have the intel video chipset, and its in xorg.conf
[03:28] <lunitik> bob2: psst, you told corp Xorg.conf  ;)
[03:28] <pont> see, i would think.. since ubuntu asked me what user account i would like to add, and i said pont, and since all the admin applications in the menus require sudo why whouldn't this be done by defult, thats not usable
[03:28] <corp> which is full of entries for all bit depths
[03:28] <corp> up to 1024x768
[03:28] <thoreauputic> jure: visudo checks syntax etc in case you get it wrong
[03:28] <corp> is there another way to choose resolution besides the administrative window?
[03:28] <closure> thoreauputic, yeah well i live in america and we're still retarded and don't even know how to use the metric system
[03:28] <jure> thoreauputic: i know that's why i said it's a better solution
[03:28] <thelight> bob2: okay, terminal it is then. so i should edit some config files of apt, this is correct?
[03:28] <bob2> ac-id: youd need to explain what you mean by 'broken'. ie paste the error from apt to #flood
[03:28] <jordanau> corp, have you tried to change it in system > preferences>screen resolution?
[03:29] <Sp4rKy> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnome/vfs.py:4: DeprecationWarning: Module gnome.vfs is deprecated; please import gnomevfs instead
[03:29] <Sp4rKy>   DeprecationWarning)
[03:29] <Sp4rKy> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:29] <Sp4rKy>   File "/usr/bin/foomatic-gui", line 68, in ?
[03:29] <Sp4rKy>     import gtkhtml2
[03:29] <thoreauputic> jure: fair enough :)
[03:29] <Sp4rKy> ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2
[03:29] <bob2> corp: the problem is rarely the card detection
[03:29] <lunitik> corp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can if you change priority of questions via dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[03:29] <pont> visudo dosn't seem to make a whole lot of sense
[03:29] <bob2> Sp4rKy: please don't do that again
[03:29] <pont> no examples
[03:29] <nebulasray> on a consistent basis, every time my computer goes into sleep mode, my network will disconnect itself, though not completely, i don't have to ifup it to get it working again, i just have to reconnect everything i was connected to... is there a fix for this?
[03:29] <bob2> thelight: yes
[03:29] <bob2> Sp4rKy: install python-gnome2-extras
[03:29] <lunitik> nebulasray: what kind of connection is it?
[03:29] <Sp4rKy> bob2, sorry , but when i can do that so ?
[03:30] <jure> pont: "man sudoers"
[03:30] <Sp4rKy> bob2, i'm trying install, thx
[03:30] <bob2> nebulasray: if sleep = suspend-to-ram, then network connections will always drop
[03:30] <nebulasray> lunitik: lan dhcp
[03:30] <thoreauputic> closure: if you just need it for openoffice, install the UK dictionary for myspell ( apt-cache search myspell)
[03:30] <Loki_VA> hi all
[03:30] <thelight> bob2: okay good. it's in /etc/ this is correct? i'll look in there.
[03:30] <jordanau> Loki_VA, hi
[03:30] <pont> hmm
[03:30] <closure> thoreauputic, i really want it in gaim honestly
[03:30] <lunitik> nebulasray: so.. umm... a NIC? bah... yeah, may want to check your network traffic ...
[03:30] <closure> i've got the UK dict set for open office
[03:30] <SeamusLP> nebulasray:  If it's dropping connections you can configure your programs to auto-connect.  E.G.  gaim
[03:31] <closure> but i want the rest of these programs to use the UK dict and nothing else
[03:31] <thoreauputic> closure: ah, well I don't know then
[03:31] <lunitik> nebulasray: on a small network (4 comps) I have been connected to messenger services for something like a week
[03:31] <floater> Hmm, anyone know why I do get "unpexpected end of stream" everytime a new song begins on my internet radio?
[03:31] <floater> and it stops playing
[03:31] <thoreauputic> closure: I assume Canadians also use the metric system
[03:31] <deFrysk> floater ogg stream ?
[03:31] <floater> yea
[03:32] <lunitik> floater: it means the server is overrun
[03:32] <lunitik> floater: choose a better station
[03:32] <deFrysk> from classic rock floater ?
[03:32] <deFrysk> virgin
[03:32] <floater> nah ... www.kohina.org stations
[03:32] <deFrysk> floater, there are some stations who do it
[03:32] <deFrysk> try another one
[03:33] <pont> geesh
[03:33] <nebulasray> lunitik: yes a nic... every time it does it, it goes out of sleep mode... i have configured my apps to reconnect, but get logs when i wake up saying it had to reconnect more than 15 times throughout the night
[03:33] <gaio> anyone use crossover with ubuntu?
[03:33] <deFrysk> gaio, to use explorer ?
[03:33] <deFrysk> ;p
[03:33] <closure> thoreauputic, apparently i have strange taste i would have figured other people also like UK english like UK imigrants for instance
[03:33] <lunitik> deFrysk, floater: it happens to most streams eventually... especially popular streams... just choose a different stream... or a different mirror of that stream
[03:33] <floater> I see.... it does not do that on foobar2000 player on windows at least
[03:33] <pont> "pont ALL = (ALL) ALL" should allow me to sudo shouldn't it ?
[03:33] <bob2> thelight: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:33] <bob2> pont: yes, without the quotes
[03:33] <gaio> deFrysk, to use flash
[03:34] <closure> thoreauputic, and yes everyone uses the metric as far as i know.
[03:34] <pont> bob2, Hmm, well its not working :P
[03:34] <deFrysk> gaio, it can be installed , should work fine
[03:34] <lunitik> closure: US uses standard / imperial system
[03:34] <anarklov3r> Hye ppl quick question with Ubuntu, to install, you put into drive, reboot, just like installing windows? just foloow the prompts? no very hard n fidly bits?
[03:34] <corp> hmm. reconfigure xerver-xorg is a no go
[03:35] <corp> suck!
[03:35] <lunitik> closure: afaik, its the only country that does.
[03:35] <thoreauputic> closure: which dictionary does gaim use? I guess there's some way to point it at your dictionary of choice...
[03:35] <daniels> corp: what's the problem?
[03:35] <deFrysk> gaio, I tried crossover in warty where it worked fine
[03:35] <jordanau> anarklov3r, exactly
[03:35] <bob2> pont: 'not working'?
[03:35] <jordanau> anarklov3r, you will have to partition though
[03:35] <lunitik> corp: dpkg-reconfigure
[03:35] <gaio> deFrysk, tnx
[03:35] <pont> bob2, Not at all
[03:35] <da_bon_bon> damn! i wan the new ubuntu! :((
[03:35] <deFrysk> gaio, not tried it in hoary though
[03:35] <thelight> bob2: okay, found it.
[03:35] <lunitik> daniels: he wants a higher resolution (1024x768)  -- at least last I followed
[03:36] <thelight> bob2: now the set of packages are in a usb drive
[03:36] <closure> thoreauputic, i'm not sure on the forums a guy said there are two major dicts that are used aspell and myspell
[03:36] <anarklov3r> i have 3 partitions so its kool :D 30 gb enough u reckon?
[03:36] <gaio> deFrysk, im in hoary now
[03:36] <anarklov3r> ps what is a .jidgo file???
[03:36] <thelight> bob2: syntax is deb /usbdrive/, this is correct?
[03:36] <corp> when XOrg loads, in the log file
[03:36] <corp> lun: did that
[03:36] <daniels> corp: are you using a desktop or a laptop?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> closure: there's ispell as well,, just to make life even more complicated ...
[03:37] <corp> in the log file, it says "built-in modes" *1024x768
[03:37] <corp> whats the star?
[03:37] <corp> dan: desktop
[03:37] <closure> thoreauputic, aspell in theory is suppose to have both UK & US eng in the same package but i can not find where to select it in Kontrol Center because there is no option for such
[03:37] <corp> it detects the card correctly
[03:37] <closure> thoreauputic, oh yeah forgot that one
[03:37] <corp> intel i810
[03:37] <jordanau> anarklov3r, yeah 30 is okay you will just make a ext3 partition and a swap partition out of that
[03:37] <daniels> corp: do you have Modes "1024x768" "..." in the logfile?
[03:37] <daniels> corp: oh, you have an i810.
[03:37] <daniels> corp: um.
[03:37] <corp> yes daniels
[03:37] <jordanau> anarklov3r, how much ram do you have
[03:37] <daniels> corp: that's known to be interesting in hoary
[03:37] <pont> I have a feeling i just made my computer really insecure
[03:37] <anarklov3r> 512
[03:37] <closure> thoreauputic, if i could figure out how to just select the dict file i'll change all of their defaults to that but i don't know how >8-/
[03:37] <pont> so does anyone know how one can install the muine monodoc's on this ?
[03:38] <anarklov3r> why do you ask?
[03:38] <jordanau> anarklov3r,  yeah just make your swap 512 mb and the ext3 / the rest
[03:38] <corp> daniel: you mean it won't work?
[03:38] <daniels> corp: probably not, no
[03:38] <anarklov3r> ext3 /???
[03:38] <corp> ah. bios change maynbe?
[03:39] <bob2> thelight: er, no
[03:39] <thoreauputic> closure: I take it you need inches, farenheit, rods poles and perches, acres and all the rest of the ridiculous Imperial stuff ?
[03:39] <bob2> thelight: did you make the Packages file?
[03:39] <bob2> thelight: if so, deb file:///usbdrive/ ./
[03:39] <daniels> corp: nah, it's to do with the driver ... it's broken for some desktop chipsets with some monitors in later revisions (and I can't for the life of me work out why)
[03:39] <jordanau> anarklov3r, i have to go, ask someone else they are real nice
[03:39] <closure> thoreauputic, *nods*
[03:39] <anarklov3r> ok kool
[03:40] <closure> thoreauputic, i have no idea what metric is outside of like kilometers and i normaly use a converter to get that lol
[03:40] <thelight> bob2: no, i did not. used the synaptic download option
[03:40] <lunitik> anarklov3r: ext3 is a file system, like NTFS .... '/' defines the root fs, simular to c:\  (this is only useful of course if you're coming from Windows, and are familier with its function)
[03:40] <closure> we are taught the metric system once in like middle school and then it is never used again
[03:40] <corp> daniel: that blows. i just wiped my machine
[03:40] <corp> guess it's back to windows xp...
[03:40] <anarklov3r> Hey ppl... how big is the ISO??
[03:40] <closure> thoreauputic, so needless to say i'm a bit rusty on that whole subject
[03:40] <daniels> corp: sorry.  i've been working with the upstream driver authors to get it fixed, but they're not the most communicative of folk.
[03:41] <floater> SeamusLP: The ESD was back up using my system after I rebooted and had tagged the "save current setup" ..any idea why?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> closure: well, maybe you just have to live with US spelling and add UK words as you go ... Although no doubt some guru would know how to do what you want...
[03:41] <lunitik> anarklov3r: depends on architechture
[03:41] <anarklov3r> i386 im using a P4
[03:41] <closure> thoreauputic, indeed i will just have to wait for the super geek of the world >8-P
[03:41] <lunitik> anarklov3r: 587MB
[03:41] <anarklov3r> ok ool thanks
[03:42] <anarklov3r> i was about to downlaod a 2.7 gb iso from torrent
[03:42] <SeamusLP> floater: wait I have an idea
[03:42] <anarklov3r> :S:S i dont know wat it is thoughj
[03:42] <SeamusLP> floater: I know there's some config menu where you can enable/disable the sound daemon, let me find it
[03:42] <anarklov3r> ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso  <<<< any ideas??
[03:42] <mishof> :O
[03:42] <lunitik> anarklov3r: umm... thats the DVD ISO... has all of main and restricted
[03:42] <blizzo> Hi I`m looking for a good backup software! Any suggestions? ;)
[03:42] <lunitik> anarklov3r: what I told you is the normal ISO
[03:43] <Ironfrost> what's a good CD ripper for Linux?
[03:43] <richard> Hi, I just added the game LBreakout via the Synaptic Package Manager. Once installed I did a reboot and I cannot locate an icon for the game anywhere. Is there a way to have GNOME find all known applications?
[03:43] <anarklov3r> well what would give me a better learning experience?? cd iso or dvd?
[03:43] <Guerin> Ironfrost: cdparanoia
[03:43] <lunitik> anarklov3r: you have a DVD burner?
[03:43] <anarklov3r> yes dual layer 16x :D:D
[03:43] <lunitik> anarklov3r: high speed connection?
[03:43] <anarklov3r> but bandwidth is an issue... 12 gb so if its not that good i wont get it
[03:44] <anarklov3r> hell yer my net kicks ass
[03:44] <anarklov3r> i was downlaoding the torrent at 400 kbs
[03:44] <reparks> is there any way to make nautilus open each folder within the last window, my desktop gets cluttered realy quick when im searching for stuff
[03:44] <lunitik> anarklov3r: might be an idea to burn the normal ISO, and just apt-get anything else you might want
[03:44] <reparks> ?
[03:44] <anarklov3r> but i got 12 gb monthly cap so yer... but 2am-8am is unmettered
[03:44] <rijad> SiS has anyone got this soundcard to work on ubuntu? "SiS 916B Sound Chip"
[03:44] <Ironfrost> Guerin - I want to get MP3s, rather than wav
[03:45] <lunitik> reparks: in Hoary, it closes parent by default with left click
[03:45] <dcraven> reparks, I thought it did that by default now.. Try middle clicking, or holding down shift when you click.
[03:45] <lunitik> reparks: also, there is Application > System Tools > File Browser
[03:45] <corp> daniel: so for which chipset exactly?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Ironfrost:  grip + lame
[03:45] <corp> i guess i can assumei have the bad chipset
[03:45] <Ironfrost> thoreauputic - OK
[03:46] <codemac> Anyone here have problems getting ubuntu to recognize their palm pilot?  I can only get it to detect the serial to usb convertor.  And when I press the hotsync button... nothing..
[03:46] <corp> thing thing is, i think i got a good resolution using the livecd!
[03:46] <richard> Yes codemac
[03:46] <richard> I have a Sony Clie and the best I have gotten is it to recognize the mem stick for storage of MP3 and DOC files.
[03:47] <codemac> hmm
[03:47] <blizzo> how do you remove esd? I have too many probs with this sound deamon eg. xmms, realyplayer etc or do I need esd ?
[03:47] <anarklov3r> Hey what is extra in the dvd compared to the cd iso? more apps?
[03:47] <codemac> richard, I am not even getting the device
[03:48] <Markrian> anarklov3r, the DVD contains all of main
[03:48] <SeamusLP> blizzo:  If you get rid of esd you'll not have gnome event sounds and you'll have to configure some programs to not use it.
[03:48] <thoreauputic> anarklov3r: since you have a very good connection, the DVD is a bit pointless - you can apt-get anything you need anyway
[03:48] <blizzo> SeamusLP: ok thx ... I dont need gnome event sounds though ;)
[03:49] <SeamusLP> blizzo: In that case, you can have the sound server not startup by unticking that option in system -> preferences -> sound
[03:50] <wim> hallo
[03:50] <blizzo> SeamusLP: oh great thx... that will work!
[03:50] <thelight> bob2: okay, good. i added the line in sources.list. next i run apt-get gnucash.
[03:50] <rijad> does anyone have a cloue on how to get this to work on linux : SiS 916B Sound Chip :(
[03:50] <mishof> is there a website for linux game developers (cant find anything good in google:'( )
[03:51] <kenny> hi guys and dolls
[03:52] <archer1974> i am looking for some help enabling mod_rewrite on apache
[03:52] <rijad> yawn..
[03:52] <Ironfrost> thoreauputic  -  thanks, it's working now
[03:52] <archer1974> has anyone been successful with it and would care to help me
[03:52] <thoreauputic> Ironfrost: you're welcome :)
[03:52] <corp> hey so
[03:53] <floater> VMware Workstation is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured for your running kernel.  To (re-)configure it, your system administrator must find and run "vmware-config.pl".  For more information, please read the VMware Workstation documentation.
[03:53] <Guerin> Ironfrost: did anyone mention lame yet?
[03:53] <corp> the hoary RC live CD detects the intel chipset and it works!
[03:53] <floater> this happens everytime I reboot my pc
[03:53] <corp> but the 5.04 release install doesn't
[03:53] <corp> what could this be??
[03:53] <thoreauputic> Guerin: yes
[03:53] <archer1974> i think i enabled it, but my websites don't seem to work as they did when i was using fedora
[03:53] <kenny> no one has mentioned lame yet?
[03:53] <Ironfrost> Guerin - yep, I just installed it
[03:53] <kenny> why
[03:53] <ICU> floater, : install the vmware any-any patch
[03:53] <Guerin> bonza mate
[03:53] <floater> mmmmmh ICU ,is that available on apt-get
[03:53] <anarklov3r> last question ppl, you said cuz i have great connection i can apt-get anyhtin gi want. what does that mean?
[03:54] <floater> or can you assist me the way :-) ICU
[03:54] <kenny> whats ICU
[03:54] <anarklov3r> i see you lol
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Guerin: heh- haven't heard "bonza" for years... ;)
[03:54] <rijad> you can stream down any package from the net on the fly
[03:55] <anarklov3r> and it installs it? mega so i can like download apps and games for linux on the fly from the browser
[03:55] <lunitik> kenny: International Components for Unicode (non locale data)
[03:55] <chase> how can i see what device a USB device is attached too? i mean is there a file i can tail? ive looked in dmesg but i cant see any change when i plugin the device?
[03:55] <kenny> has anyone got there nvidia drovers working on horay
[03:55] <kenny> *drivers
[03:55] <thoreauputic> Guerin: makes me think of guys from the fifties in blue singlets ...
[03:55] <blizzo> anarklov3r: use this syntax: apt-get install "package you want"
[03:55] <Guerin> thoreauputic: i worked in an indian restaurant, with this old guy who spoke no english at all - the first thing we taught him was "bonza mate"
[03:55] <thoreauputic> haha
[03:55] <ICU> floater, no its not
[03:56] <thoreauputic> Guerin: no flies on you, mate...
[03:56] <Guerin> we had our own little patois in that kitchen, it was fantastic
[03:56] <rijad> any1 got the answer for me?
[03:56] <kenny> ohh right, thanks lunitik
[03:56] <Guerin> thoreauputic: strewth no
[03:56] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:56] <corp> so i assume intel support was broken in the hoary release
[03:56] <corp> but the RC works
[03:56] <lunitik> wow @ over 500 people in here... highest I've seen yet
[03:56] <ICU> floater, google on vmware-any-any
[03:56] <ICU> floater, http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update90.tar.gz
[03:56] <ICU> thats the most recent
[03:56] <floater> and it is suitable on all versions ?
[03:57] <ICU> unpack and run the install file
[03:57] <ICU> 4.5.x
[03:57] <floater> ok, thanks!
[03:57] <rijad> where do i find sound card drivers for ubuntu?
[03:57] <lunitik> rijad: lspci | grep Audio
[03:57] <lunitik> rijad: tell me what that says
[03:58] <lunitik> rijad: bah... grep audio
[03:59] <rijad> "0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)2
[03:59] <gaio> crossover trouble on hoary...
[03:59] <netgrabber> the avidemux package from marillat ist broken on hoary. is there an alternative source?
[03:59] <tomek_> hi - any hint on why RealPlayer 10 stucks when staring on my Ubuntu 5.04 ?
[03:59] <Guerin> tomek_: because realplayer 10 sucks anytime, anywhere?
[04:00] <kenny> yea realplayer sucks, dont put it in
[04:00] <tomek_> Guerin: :) (very construvtive)
[04:00] <lunitik> rijad: haha... exactly the same as here... 'modprobe snd-intel8x0' then /etc/init.d/esd restart and try playing something
[04:00] <Guerin> tomek_: use mplayer or xine and the real codecs
[04:00] <pont> im getting the following compulation error, configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:00] <Guerin> it's better for you
[04:00] <bob2> pont: install build-essential
[04:00] <SeamusLP> Guerin: you installing it from synaptic?
[04:00] <lunitik> rijad: bah... /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[04:00] <pont> cheers
[04:00] <Guerin> SeamusLP: eew, synaptic
[04:00] <kenny> use totem-xnime with w32 codecs
[04:00] <richard> Is there any way to get the GNOME Taskbar to refresh itself and locate all the missing icons. I installed LBreakout and it didnt seem toget an icon for it.
[04:00] <tomek_> Gurein: finally somebody knows what is better for me ...
[04:01] <bob2> richard: it probably didn't include one
[04:01] <SeamusLP> Guerin apt-get, whatever you prefer :P
[04:01] <Guerin> SeamusLP: yeah, I got them from marillat
[04:01] <richard> ahh ok bob2. I had Mandrake 9.2 and it had one so I just assumed that Ubuntu would as well.
[04:02] <bob2> mandrake 9.2 is old
[04:02] <bob2> and doesn't use the .desktop menu system hoary does
[04:02] <bob2> (presumably)
[04:02] <richard> yes but it worked very very well for me.
[04:02] <lunitik> rijad: if that doesn't work... add 'snd-intel8x0' to /etc/modules and restart
[04:02] <kenny> hey guys i found a good site for java1.5.deb files any one want it
[04:03] <JoeX> Hey all.  What apt line do I need in my sources.list to get kernel-image-2.6.8?  The only kernel image I see is 2.6.7.
[04:03] <SeamusLP> Guerin:  Getting any error output when you try to load it?
[04:03] <rijad> here goes..
[04:03] <lunitik> JoeX: uhh... Warty defaulted to 2.6.8 ... how'd you manage that?
[04:03] <thoreauputic> JoeX: try linux-image
[04:03] <Guerin> SeamusLP: no
[04:04] <Guerin> SeamusLP: haven't updated in a while
[04:04] <JoeX> lunitik:  No clue, actually.
[04:04] <SeamusLP> Guerin:  I mean when you try to run it from the console
[04:04] <Guerin> SeamusLP: no, why?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> JoeX:  apt-cache search linux-image | less
[04:05] <JoeX> thoreauputic: Thanks, wasn't aware of linux-image :)
[04:05] <cor1> okay - i booted into the LiveCD, copied xorg.conf, then booted into my new 5.04 install and install xorg.conf
[04:05] <nubbe> is streamtuner a bit unstable?
[04:05] <adam_> hey guys
[04:05] <cor1> and now i have multiple resolutions
[04:05] <lunitik> JoeX: bah... kernel-image packages are Debian... Ubuntu uses linux-image to diferentiate
[04:05] <SeamusLP> Guerin: getting error output to the console helps for debugging... lol
[04:05] <JoeX> thoreauputic: Though it is odd that udev is asking for kernel-image
[04:05] <floater> ICU: when I run it, it wants to run the vmware-config.pl after that,do I need to change the path for "c header files" from that /usr/src/linux* to somewhere else?
[04:05] <Guerin> SeamusLP: i'm not having a problem
[04:05] <JoeX> thoreauputic: I must have installed a debian kernel somehow.
[04:05] <Guerin> not with mplayer, anyway
[04:06] <thoreauputic> JoeX: you don't have debian sources, I hope
[04:06] <SeamusLP> Guerin uhhh, I thought you were having a problem with realplayer
[04:06] <kenny> ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/binary/  <<for java deb files
[04:06] <kenny> its about 30mb
[04:06] <Guerin> SeamusLP: no, I was suggesting a sane alternative to mplayer
[04:06] <thoreauputic> JoeX: if so, get rid of them
[04:06] <Guerin> err
[04:06] <Guerin> realplayer
[04:06] <lunitik> JoeX: get rid of the Debian lines in your sources.list ... udev depends hotplug only
[04:06] <adam_> how do i find out of my fglrx install worked?
[04:07] <mod25> hello
[04:07] <kenny> hello mod25
[04:07] <lunitik> adam_: glxinfo
[04:07] <mod25> howto to get rhytmbox 0.8.8 with aac suport or m4p
[04:07] <mod25> s/m4p/m4a
[04:07] <wezzer-> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:07] <JoeX> thoreauputic: I did have a debian line in there.  I can't remember adding it, I must have added it for one specific package.  Sorry :)
[04:08] <bob2> wezzer-: that doesn't help for aac or m4a
[04:08] <bob2> it's really just better to avoid silly formats like them
[04:08] <adam_> lunitik, what do i look for to see if it installed right? i have a bunch of ati stuff in there...
[04:08] <JoeX> thanks lunatik.
[04:08] <bob2> and not buy audio in those formats, etc
[04:08] <thoreauputic> JoeX: heh - no need to apologise - just fix it to avoid problems ;)
[04:08] <Guerin> rarewares.org has a lot of packages
[04:08] <Guerin> they're built against debian sid, use at your own risk
[04:08] <mod25> wezzer, shure? thats all?
[04:08] <Guerin> for stupid media formats, I mean
[04:09] <lunitik> adam_: 'direct rendering' ... you want that to say yes if it worked
[04:09] <wezzer> ahum, as bob2 said, that won't hel
[04:09] <adam_> lunitik, it didnt
[04:09] <wezzer> +p
[04:09] <wezzer> mod25: try mplayer
[04:09] <adam_> lunitik, i did what it said
[04:09] <wezzer> it plays _everything_
[04:09] <adam_> on the wiki
[04:09] <Guerin> mplayer only plays what it has codecs for
[04:10] <mod25> wezzer no i wana have it in rthymbox
[04:10] <wezzer> but it has codecs for almost every format
[04:10] <adam_> lunitik, im using xorg... so what is the exact cmd i run for the driver?
[04:10] <adam_> ydo you know?
[04:10] <scizzo> does rhythmbox even support acc?
[04:10] <Guerin> mod25: there's a shell one-liner which will convert all your braindead formats to ogg vorbis
[04:11] <adam_> sudo apt-get install xorg-fglrx
[04:11] <adam_> ?
[04:11] <lunitik> scizzo: I don't believe so... ffmpeg may have it though?
[04:11] <rijad> lunitik: hmm don't think it worked :S
[04:11] <Xebitx> I get no sound in vlc player when playing movies...
[04:11] <SeamusLP> adam_ do you already have the driver?
[04:11] <scizzo> Guerin: that makes it even worse....acc removes some of the quality and then ogg tries to remove something else... :P
[04:11] <bob2> adam_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:11] <lunitik> rijad: what?
[04:11] <bob2> Xebitx: configure it to use esd
[04:11] <Xebitx> okay
[04:11] <adam_> i can get it, but it comes in as an rpm, i have never compiled from rpm on ubuntu
[04:11] <Xebitx> how bob2 ?
[04:12] <Guerin> scizzo: marginal loss in quality from aac -> ogg is better than leaving them in aac
[04:12] <bob2> Xebitx: no idea, I don't use it
[04:12] <bob2> adam_: dude, read that page
[04:12] <adam_> i have bob
[04:12] <adam_> i did what it said
[04:12] <rijad> still no damn sound
[04:12] <adam_> and rebooted, and it doesnt work
[04:12] <scizzo> Guerin: well that depends....what does aac remove and what does ogg remove?
[04:12] <adam_> ill read it again
[04:13] <scizzo> aac might not be good but converting them will still leave you with losing quality
[04:13] <Xebitx> bob2, what do you use then
[04:13] <Guerin> scizzo: i know what you're getting at; my point stands
[04:13] <lunitik> rijad: ahh... should have worked... its working here, but I did a clean install of hoary, you did an upgrade correct (usual reason for such issues)
[04:13] <rijad> nope. i have the old 4.10
[04:13] <mjt> so how to convert aac to ogg?  Which library/package handles aac anyway?
[04:13] <floater> ICU: www.ratol.fi/~vnaatane/vmwareanyanyconfig.txt
[04:13] <bob2> Xebitx: mplayer
[04:13] <scizzo> Guerin: hehe...its ok...but I was wondering if rhythmbox even supports aac that is my question
[04:14] <SeamusLP> Guerin:  I don't think it's wise to convert a lossy format to another lossy format if you care even slightly about quality.
[04:14] <lunitik> rijad: ahh... never had this box installed with warty (got it afterwards) ...
[04:15] <kent> scizzo, it ought to support every music format that gstreamer has a plugin for,  right? any other way would be kind of strange..
[04:15] <BockBilbo> hey
[04:15] <BockBilbo> :)
[04:15] <rijad> how do i upgrade then?
[04:15] <lunitik> rijad: that card should have been supported, but can't confirm....
[04:15] <Xebitx> bob2, when I do apt-get install mplayer-386 I get errors
[04:15] <lunitik> rijad: go get the latest release
[04:15] <adam_> bob2, im gonna reboot, i did what it said again... we will see
[04:15] <Xebitx> something about some packages that I have which are not compatible with mplayer
[04:15] <Guerin> SeamusLP: i think the tradeoff of getting a decently portable format is worth it
[04:15] <mod25> Guerin, wanna have support aac in rhytmbox no convertion
[04:15] <bob2> Xebitx: indeed, get rid of yhe marrilat line from your sources.list
[04:15] <ICU> floater, 403 Forbidden
[04:16] <rijad> can't i upgrade from synaptic?
[04:16] <Guerin> SeamusLP: though the other option is just living with the consequences of your bad decisions
[04:16] <bob2> rijad: sure...
[04:16] <rijad> how+
[04:16] <Guerin> SeamusLP: and failing all else, you can always convert to flac
[04:16] <ac-id> mitch hedberg is dead?
[04:16] <ac-id> :(
[04:16] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me if the hoary installation has full hybernation and suspend support?
[04:16] <bob2> mod25: silly formats like aac will always be omore trouble than free ones
[04:16] <Guerin> mod25: i know what you want
[04:16] <SeamusLP> Guerin: I don't see how it is damaging to leave it in AAC or mp3 or whatever
[04:16] <bob2> rijad: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeGuide
[04:16] <bob2> BockBilbo: suspend-to-disk should work everywhere, suspend-to-ram varies by hardware
[04:17] <Xebitx> bob2, I got 3 lines ..remove all?
[04:17] <mjt> bob2: fsvo "everywhere"... it does not work on any of my via-c3-based systems :)
[04:18] <Guerin> SeamusLP: mp3 is fine; aac doesn't play anywhere worth caring about.
[04:18] <lunitik> mod25: www.apt-get.org <-- search for ffmpeg there, look for a result with a URL that includes 'nerim' and 'marillat' ... add it to /etc/apt/sources.list, and 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg ffmpeg' (2 packages) ... see if it works then...
[04:18] <adam_> bob2, ok
[04:18] <adam_> i rebooted
[04:18] <BockBilbo> bob2, ok... so... see.. a month ago I installed hoary from an array and it enabled the suspend mode... which i dont have on my laptop... how do i enable it?
[04:18] <bob2> Xebitx: yeah
[04:18] <bob2> BockBilbo: I don't understand your question
[04:18] <Xebitx> whats the command for removing something again with apt?
[04:18] <bob2> BockBilbo: do you mean "How do I get my laptop to suspend when I close the lid?"?
[04:19] <lunitik> mod25: afaict, ffmpeg supports it, and gstreamer has a plugin that can use ffmpeg, so that should work
[04:19] <lunitik> mod25: either way, you get more codecs that might be useful  :)
[04:19] <bob2> mjt: suspend-to-disk doesn't?  that's weird...have you filed a bug?
[04:19] <floater> ICU now, http://www.ratol.fi/~vnaatane/vmwareanyanyconfig.txt
[04:19] <SeamusLP> Guerin:  Isn't AAC the apple format?
[04:19] <Listener> is there a C compiler somewhere in Ubuntu hoary? in synaptic?
[04:19] <adam_> bob2, maybe its because im running 64 bit and xorg, but it still says direct rendering no
[04:19] <Guerin> SeamusLP: i rest my case.
[04:19] <tritium> Listener, of course.
[04:19] <BockBilbo> nope, i mean how to enable suspend mode to be choosed in the log out window
[04:19] <Listener> what's the name of it?
[04:19] <tritium> Listener, you'll probably want to install build-essential
[04:19] <Ironfrost> Is AAC itself by Apple?
[04:20] <Ironfrost> I thought it was just the DRM that was theirs
[04:20] <Guerin> no
[04:20] <lunitik> bob2: I love your sarcastic trust  :)   (are you sure <restate what you said> doesn't work, blah blah)  :P
[04:20] <mjt> bob2: it's in upstream: swsusp requires some cpu feature (i don't remember which one) which is absent on via-c3 (winbloze suspends to disk and to ram on this cpu just fine)
[04:20] <tritium> Listener, build-essential depends on many packages yo'ull want, including gcc
[04:20] <Guerin> aac is mpeg4, I think
[04:20] <mod25> Guerin, i got an ipod so i wanna have that how to do so? please help me
[04:20] <lunitik> Guerin: yes
[04:20] <bob2> mjt: hmmm, ok, I didn't know that
[04:20] <Listener> tritium, thanks
[04:20] <bob2> or maybe I did and forgot
[04:20] <lunitik> Guerin: it is Apples proprietary wrapper for mpeg4
[04:20] <Guerin> mod25: I don't believe it's possible; I'm not the first person to tell you this
[04:20] <tritium> Listener, np
[04:20] <cavediver> How do i run separate resolutions on my tv from monitor using metamodes. It seems my tv has the same resolution i set my monitor to
[04:20] <Guerin> lunitik: ok, right.
[04:20] <adam_> anyone got some ati assistance they can give me?
[04:20] <SeamusLP> Guerin:  uh, won't that play in xmms, gstreamer, vlc etc?
[04:20] <adam_> i dont want to bother bob
[04:21] <adam_> hes busy lol
[04:21] <cavediver> I have metamodes "1280x1024,800x600" now
[04:21] <Guerin> SeamusLP: can you make it work in rhythmbox?
[04:21] <tritium> cavediver, are you using nvidia twinview?
[04:21] <Amaranth> whoa, i'm #2 in google for "gnome menu editor"
[04:21] <mjt> bob2: "Software suspend currently supports only x86 based hardware, and requires a CPU with pse or pse36 support. This excludes CPUs such as the VIA C3, but almost all other modern Intel and AMD CPUs should be supported."
[04:21] <cavediver> tritium: yes. with clone option
[04:22] <adam_> anyone want to help me with an ati driver prob?
[04:22] <adam_> bob is busy....
[04:22] <tritium> cavediver, I assume you've read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz ?
[04:22] <SeamusLP> Guerin:  Well actually I think I'm wrong about that.  Yeah, better ditch AAC.
[04:22] <cavediver> tritium: yes.
[04:22] <SeamusLP> Unless you're an ipod freak or something
[04:22] <[Spooky] > isnt there a command to install *.deb files in Ubuntu ?
[04:22] <cavediver> dpkg -i *.deb
[04:22] <bob2> mjt: ah, I did read that once, right
[04:22] <rijad> damn links broken...
[04:23] <BockBilbo> congrats Amaranth
[04:23] <[Spooky] > cavediver: ah thanks
[04:23] <adam_> bob2, since noone else has time, here is what my glxinfo says....
[04:23] <tritium> cavediver, I've only been able to run at the same resolution
[04:23] <adam_> bob2, direct rendering: No
[04:23] <Xebitx> after I installed mplayer do I need to reinstall w32codecs and gstreamer?
[04:23] <cavediver> tritium: really? hmm, strange
[04:23] <tritium> yep
[04:24] <Guerin> Xebitx: no
[04:24] <cavediver> will try some stuff now
[04:25] <Xebitx> it freezes when trying to play xvid movies
[04:25] <bob2> adam_: ok, that's a shame.  try asking on the user list.
[04:25] <adam_> user list?
[04:25] <adam_> oh
[04:25] <adam_> ok
[04:25] <Jefis> i started apache webserver(http://85.206.99.129/ ) everyone can connect to me, but i can't!
[04:26] <Amaranth> Jefis: It's possible your router is blocking this.
[04:27] <Jefis> nop
[04:27] <Jefis> imposible
[04:27] <Amaranth> Jefis: When you want to go to it from your own computer just go to http://localhost
[04:27] <kent> is the msn network down, or is my gaim client going nuts? I cant get on msn :(
[04:27] <Amaranth> msn is up here
[04:28] <kenny> im on msn right now
[04:28] <kenny> it must be ur gaim
[04:28] <adam_> this sucks
[04:28] <adam_> ati drivers suck
[04:28] <floater> ICU it patched it succesfully, but then when it ran the vmwareconfig.pl, it "enters a dir vmmon-only" at /tmp/  with the any-any patch there is a tar ball with a dir called "vmmon" , should I extract that to /tmp/ overwriting the default one?
[04:28] <tom_neo> lalelu
[04:28] <Ironfrost> kent - try http://webmessenger.msn.com
[04:29] <adam_> 64 bit, is that xorg or xfree?
[04:29] <SeamusLP> adam_:  Opengl not working?
[04:29] <tom_neo> msn is crap
[04:29] <adam_> fglrx is no
[04:29] <Jefis> Amaranth, no, still can't connect
[04:29] <adam_> after driver install
[04:29] <Jefis> :)
[04:29] <Ironfrost> tom_neo - but it's what everyone uses
[04:29] <adam_> SeamusLP, its weird
[04:29] <tom_neo> Ironfrost: is it?
[04:29] <bob2> adam_: what card do you have?
[04:29] <tom_neo> i know much more ppl using icq
[04:29] <adam_> SeamusLP, 9800 pro
[04:29] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, is this yours: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=867 ?
[04:29] <tom_neo> you are only supporting this crap by using it
[04:29] <adam_> SeamusLP, running 64 bit
[04:29] <Ironfrost> I guess it depends how old you are
[04:30] <Ironfrost> I don't know anyone under about 20 who uses ICQ
[04:30] <adam_> SeamusLP, is 64 bit xorg or xfree?
[04:30] <SeamusLP> adam_ tried modprobe fglrx?
[04:30] <adam_> i will
[04:30] <Ironfrost> and all of them have been on the internet for years
[04:30] <adam_> SeamusLP, yes i have
[04:30] <Ironfrost> all of my non-geek friends use MSN
[04:30] <adam_> SeamusLP, FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[04:30] <kenny> msn is ok, its free so u cant complain
[04:30] <Guerin> yeah, icq is old school
[04:31] <adam_> icq is junk
[04:31] <Guerin> freakishly
[04:31] <adam_> anyways
[04:31] <Xebitx> stupid mplayer
[04:31] <Guerin> all IM is junk
[04:31] <adam_> SeamusLP, i dont get it
[04:31] <tom_neo> Ironfrost: well non-geeks are easy told to use sth else - you just tell them this is crap and they believe ^^
[04:31] <Guerin> icq no more so than msn
[04:31] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: No, that's the editor that's supposedly going to be ready in time for GNOME 2.12
[04:31] <Ironfrost> in fact, the webcam function on MSN is the only reason I'm missing Windows
[04:31] <adam_> i wondering if i should be installing the xfree one
[04:31] <kenny> the only reason i have windows is halo
[04:31] <Ironfrost> tom_neo - the value of an IM protocol is in the people that use it
[04:31] <SeamusLP> adam_:  Looks like you don't have that module installed
[04:32] <floater> can someone tell briefly what this does: make mrproper cloneconfig prepare ?
[04:32] <adam_> SeamusLP, Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:32] <adam_> that means im running xfree right?
[04:32] <tom_neo> Ironfrost: maybe that's one reason more why i don't use M$N
[04:32] <Ironfrost> heh, maybe
[04:32] <aya> Hi, I got a pb with ldap authentication, using warty. I can login into my system with a normal or ldap user, so it works, but when I reboot, the system freeze on each chown 0:0, searching user in ldap, but not in local. I have "passwd: files ldap" in my /etc/nsswitch.conf
[04:32] <tom_neo> and where is the problem with a webcam feature in linux?
[04:32] <tom_neo> you just have to look which cam to buy, before you buy ^^
[04:32] <Ironfrost> tom_neo: there isn't one, that's what the problem is
[04:32] <SeamusLP> adam_:  Uhh... you running hoary or warty?
[04:33] <tom_neo> there is of course
[04:33] <Guerin> gnome-meeting is a far better webcam app than msn
[04:33] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, ohh so, which one is yours?
[04:33] <BockBilbo> the one written in python?
[04:33] <Ironfrost> only in the Gnome Meeting which is only for linux
[04:33] <adam_> SeamusLP, 64 bit, not sure which kernel
[04:33] <kenny> isnt there gnome meeting or something
[04:33] <adam_> SeamusLP, still learning alot
[04:33] <Ironfrost> kenny - you can't talk to Windows people on it
[04:33] <Guerin> gnome-meeting is more h.323 compatible than netmeeting
[04:33] <Guerin> and works fine with netmeeting on the windows end
[04:33] <adam_> SeamusLP, i know alot now, for being a noob, but not that much
[04:33] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Yeah, the one on the ubuntu forums.
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Ironfrost: you can, actually
[04:33] <Ironfrost> you can?
[04:33] <Guerin> and better yet, netmeeting is already present on all windows machines, and contains no evilware
[04:34] <Ironfrost> thanks a lot
[04:34] <Ironfrost> that's really good to know
[04:34] <Ironfrost> does it work through a router?
[04:34] <mjr> there's the little snag that you have to install some less-proprietary codec to netmeeting for it to use, but after that it should work, yes
[04:34] <Guerin> if you can configure it and the router properly, sure
[04:34] <Ironfrost> thanks a lot
[04:34] <BockBilbo> nice
[04:34] <Guerin> yeah, the codecs are a thing
[04:34] <BockBilbo> perhaps, yesterday I was thinking on making one
[04:34] <BockBilbo> lol
[04:34] <mjr> through a router, without a doubt, through a firewall, well, you may have to configure stuff
[04:35] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> with ubuntu is it easy to get apt-get repos for like mplayer, ogle, amd there deps
[04:35] <BockBilbo> i though of doing one in python or java
[04:35] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ?
[04:35] <bob2> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:35] <Xebitx> are there any skins for xmms?
[04:35] <Xebitx> cause the default one is really ugly
[04:35] <kenny> codecs are easy to get for ubuntu
[04:36] <kenny> and so is java
[04:36] <Amaranth> Xebitx: Winamp 2 skins work on xmms
[04:36] <kenny> ubuntu website rocks for support
[04:36] <tritium> Xebitx, apt-cache search xmms did find one called "xmms-skins"
[04:36] <Ironfrost> ubuntuguide.org is good as well
[04:36] <BockBilbo> cuz i dont know c either
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: there are heaps of skins for xmms
[04:37] <kenny> i bought suse linux 9.2 and trying to  get support for is a nightmare,  ill never go back to rpm based systems
[04:37] <Weems> how do i set the root pass on warty livecd?
[04:37] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, im gonna talk about your menu editor in my blog if you dont mind
[04:37] <BockBilbo> :)
[04:37] <Weems> kenny: fedora is alright
[04:37] <tritium> Weems, there is no root password: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:37] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Only if you link to my website. ;)
[04:37] <BockBilbo> oh
[04:37] <BockBilbo> ok
[04:38] <kenny> is there a menu editor
[04:38] <BockBilbo> you mean this website? :http://manny.cluecoder.org/packages/gnome-menu-editor/ ?
[04:38] <Amaranth> eek
[04:38] <Amaranth> no :P
[04:38] <BockBilbo> ...
[04:38] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, give the website so
[04:38] <BockBilbo> :)
[04:38] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com
[04:38] <Amaranth> would probably be better to link to the latest menu editor post
[04:39] <superted> is there something wrong with me/my install if there haven't been any updates for like 2 days?
[04:39] <floater> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.10) does not match your running
[04:39] <floater> kernel (version 2.6.10-5-k7).  Even if the module were to compile successfully,
[04:39] <floater> it would not load into the running kernel.
[04:39] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, ill made two links if you want to
[04:40] <floater> Why it says that, doesn't it match ?
[04:40] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: No, don't do that. :P Just http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/
[04:40] <BockBilbo> oks
[04:40] <Xebitx> where are xmms skins saved?
[04:41] <BockBilbo> ill tell you once the post is written
[04:41] <tritium> floater, you need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:41] <floater> I have
[04:41] <tritium> Xebitx, dpkg -L xmms-skins
[04:41] <floater> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[04:41] <netgrabber> how can I remove every package from marillat?
[04:41] <floater> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]  /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7/include/
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: ~/.xmms/Skins
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: I think from memory
[04:42] <floater> I chose that
[04:43] <floater> and that is the kernel that I am running
[04:43] <KoMpLoT> Hi
[04:44] <Xebitx> thoreauputic, what does that mean
[04:44] <Xebitx> thoreauputic, ~/.xmms/Skins
[04:44] <floater> tritium: any clues what might be the problem ?
[04:44] <tritium> floater, what is it you're trying to do?
[04:44] <haritz> excuse me all, Who know the url for xmms ?
[04:44] <haritz> i want to download it
[04:44] <floater> I am trying to install vmware. Had to rerun vmware-config.pl after I just patched the vmware with any-any patch
[04:44] <Xebitx> I get it
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: that's the hidden dir for xmms in you home directory (dot means hidden)
[04:45] <tritium> haritz, just use apt-get install xmms, or install from synaptic
[04:45] <haritz> tritium ; i try both sir
[04:45] <haritz> but can't work out
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: there's probably a system wide one as well
[04:45] <tritium> haritz, it's in Hoary main
[04:45] <wfx> hi, how to i configure soundbuffer size
[04:45] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, whats the best way to install it?
[04:45] <BockBilbo> via deb?
[04:45] <BockBilbo> epa haritz :) i guess you are from my area lol
[04:45] <BockBilbo> :)
[04:46] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Yep, that's the only way.
[04:46] <floater> Even if the module were to compile successfully,it would not load into the running kernel.  this is what it says also.. then it prompts me to give a new dir
[04:46] <haritz> BockBilbo : where?
[04:46] <BockBilbo> euskadi
[04:46] <BockBilbo> :P
[04:46] <BockBilbo> ok
[04:46] <sir_latin> Hey, I'm installing ubuntu and it didn't recognize my network card :( It's an old ISA network card.. what can I do? :(
[04:46] <bob2> floater: you paid hundreds of dollars for vmware, and they won't help you install it?
[04:46] <BockBilbo> so i guess ill write in the post to install it via the deb commented on one of the comments of your web
[04:47] <Xebitx> great it works
[04:47] <floater> bob, the evaluation period doesn't grant any help
[04:47] <sir_latin> I had Gentoo installed once, and it worked there. No probs with Windows 98 either :/
[04:47] <Xebitx> now i just need to find a really cool winamp 2 skin
[04:47] <haritz> bockbilbo : nope i don't know euskadi
[04:47] <tritium> haritz, you should be able to find xmms, as it's in the main repository.
[04:47] <BockBilbo> haritz, you dont? euskadi= basque country.... i was telling you that cause Haritz in the Basque Language is the name for "Oak"
[04:47] <floater> or I guess it could, but it would take longer time
[04:48] <wfx> Xebitx, take a look: http://www.skinz.org/
[04:48] <BockBilbo> perhaps, its a common name for boys
[04:48] <Ironfrost> probably a dumb question, but how do I search for a file?
[04:48] <BockBilbo> brb
[04:49] <BockBilbo> have to restart X
[04:49] <haritz> BockBilbo : i don't know :P
[04:49] <BockBilbo> hehe
[04:49] <BockBilbo> now you know ;)
[04:49] <BockBilbo> brb
[04:49] <haritz> tritium : i can't find it in synaptic
[04:50] <pmai> which tool do automatic burn 11G with these cd has 80MB?
[04:50] <tritium> haritz, the main repository is setup by default.  Did you disable it?
[04:50] <Xebitx> wfx, thx
[04:50] <KoMpLoT> Hi everyone, I'm having an issue with kernel 2.6.11, I've followed the KernelByHand Howto from Ubuntu's wiki
[04:50] <infornography> I have Xine installed and working. Is there any way to get embedded video in firefox without installing another media player?
[04:50] <wfx> Ironfrost, find [path...]  [expression]  example
[04:50] <Coily> could someone give me an example line from fstab which would mount an ext3 partition?
[04:50] <KoMpLoT> I've included support for the fs and the sata controller
[04:50] <Ironfrost> wfx - thanks
[04:51] <Coily> anyone?
[04:51] <KoMpLoT> but I'm getting this error: "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[04:51] <tritium> Coily, see ubuntuguide.org
[04:51] <haritz> tritium : i dunno how to disable it sir
[04:51] <Coily> tritium, they only cover fat32/ntfs
[04:51] <Coily> could someone give me an example line from fstab which would mount an ext3 partition?
[04:51] <wfx> Ironfrost, ups the example :) but here is : find / -name fstab or with gnome Places/Search Files
[04:52] <whiteknight> hi everyone
[04:52] <snowblink> Coily, set your type to ext3
[04:52] <KoMpLoT> Coily, "/dev/hda2    /mydata    ext3    defaults   0  2"
[04:52] <Sp4rKy> hi
[04:52] <Coily> thank you
[04:52] <Sp4rKy> we've any issue with divx
[04:53] <Sp4rKy> could you help us
[04:53] <BockBilbo> ....
[04:53] <BockBilbo> polypaudio doesnt work fine :(
[04:53] <scizzo> Sp4rKy: looked at restrictedformats?
[04:53] <BockBilbo> does the final release of hoary use polypaudio or esound?
[04:53] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, have you an url please ?
[04:54] <tritium> BockBilbo, esd
[04:54] <wfx> Xebitx, btw cools wallpapers are here :http://wfx.deviantart.com/gallery/ :-)
[04:54] <KoMpLoT> any clue about the kernel issue?
[04:54] <BockBilbo> tritium, why didnt they finally switch to polypaudio?
[04:54] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, we've a warning when we try to install mplayer
[04:54] <scizzo> Sp4rKy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:54] <tritium> BockBilbo, problems when they tried switching over to polypaudio
[04:54] <joneil> warning with the dependencies with mplayer
[04:55] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, thx
[04:55] <tritium> haritz, what is the output from "apt-cache policy xmms"?
[04:55] <BockBilbo> tritium, and will they include in the next stable release?
[04:55] <Sp4rKy> joneil, take a look at this
[04:55] <tritium> BockBilbo, I haven't heard, actually.  I assume so.
[04:55] <BockBilbo> oh
[04:55] <BockBilbo> ok
[04:55] <tom_neo> ko
[04:55] <tom_neo> ho
[04:55] <BockBilbo> so i guess i better dont try to mess with polypaudio
[04:55] <infornography> I have Xine installed and working. Is there any way to get embedded video in firefox without installing another media player?
[04:56] <BockBilbo> and what about the next unstable ubuntu?
[04:56] <tritium> infornography, gxine has a mozilla plugin
[04:56] <ikaro> hellas
[04:56] <BockBilbo> when will be the development started?
[04:56] <nijan> hello, can i upgrade from 4.x to 5.x?
[04:56] <BockBilbo> nijan,  you mean from warty to hoary?
[04:56] <nijan> yes.
[04:57] <tritium> BockBilbo, couple of weeks or so is when universe work should start.  That's all I know.
[04:57] <picochu> scizzo: One of the major gripe i have with ubuntu is, it damn troublesome to add packages for restricted formats
[04:57] <scizzo> nijan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:57] <nijan> tnx
[04:57] <haritz> tritium : It told "Installed: (none)
[04:57] <haritz>   Candidate: (none)
[04:57] <haritz>   Version table:
[04:57] <haritz> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:57] <haritz> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:57] <scizzo> picochu: have you read the wiki?
[04:57] <haritz>  "
[04:57] <tritium> picochu, that can't be helped, really.  It's the fault of the restricted formats, not ubuntu.
[04:58] <adam_> SeamusLP, still no
[04:58] <picochu> tritium: the work around is just to much work. I am not going to go thru all the steps for the desktops I'm going to install for non tech users
[04:58] <tritium> haritz, have you updated at all?  ("Reload" in syaptic, or apt-get update)?
[04:58] <haritz> how i do that
[04:59] <tritium> picochu, ubuntu has to stay legal, so they can't include restricted formats
[04:59] <BockBilbo> 4.10 --> 5.04 ?
[04:59] <BockBilbo> look at the wiki
[04:59] <BockBilbo> ok...
[04:59] <BockBilbo> and how will it be named?
[04:59] <BockBilbo> haritz, have you updated your lists?
[04:59] <BockBilbo> apt-get update
[05:00] <BockBilbo> *sudo apt-get update
[05:00] <mjr> picochu, hmh? You can pretty well make scripts to take care of the occasional install (just download and run)
[05:00] <BockBilbo> tritium, restricted formats are illegal?
[05:00] <infornography> tritium: Thanks
[05:00] <picochu> tritium: they don't have to include the binaries... there's always automated scripts to install "restricted formats"
[05:00] <tritium> infornography, sure
[05:00] <nijan> so hoary is unstable distro???
[05:00] <mjr> nijan, no
[05:00] <haritz> yep guy i already type apt-get update
[05:00] <tritium> BockBilbo, including them would be legallt problematic
[05:00] <picochu> nijan: nope
[05:00] <jamie_k> is the new distro shipping via mail yet? if we order it, will it come? thank you.
[05:00] <BockBilbo> ohh i see
[05:01] <mjr> nijan, hoary is currently stable, for many days now
[05:01] <zoso_kubuntu> Any ATI experts in the house?
[05:01] <BockBilbo> like libdvdcc
[05:01] <BockBilbo> right?
[05:01] <nijan> ah, ok, it doesn't seems from wiki.
[05:01] <scizzo> zoso_kubuntu: "I hurt!"
[05:01] <bob2> jamie_k: ~month ot so, as I understand it
[05:01] <bob2> BockBilbo: libdvdcss, yes
[05:01] <tritium> haritz, if you've updated, then you should be able to get xmms
[05:01] <scizzo> zoso_kubuntu: please...just ask the question
[05:01] <haritz> tritium , BockBilbo : it tell E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:01] <haritz> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[05:01] <jamie_k> bob2: thanks
[05:01] <BockBilbo> bob2,  thats what i meant
[05:01] <bob2> haritz: as root, of course
[05:02] <tritium> haritz, looks like you have synaptic running.  Close it if you're going to use apt-get
[05:02] <jasp> well this ubuntu thing looks pretty popular
[05:02] <BockBilbo> haritz, sudo apt-get update
[05:02] <BockBilbo> close synaptic as tritium says
[05:02] <haritz> ok ok i trying
[05:02] <occy> anyone know how to get nautilus to work like it did before Hoary?
[05:02] <Xebitx> Where should I install programs? im gonna install pftp and normally in windows I use C:\programmer\ ...how is it done in linux?
[05:02] <picochu> jasp: it's the distribution du jour... the hype will die down eventually
[05:02] <bob2> picochu: well, you can make your own "automatically-violate-patents" script if you want
[05:02] <tritium> occy, how was that?
[05:02] <jasp> picochu, okay :)
[05:02] <bob2> Xebitx: what do you want to install?
[05:02] <Xebitx> pftp
[05:03] <bob2> occy: the bug report talks about that
[05:03] <zoso_kubuntu> Allright, here goes. If the fglrx drivers is installed and appears to be loading correctly why would running fgl_glxgears cause the system to hang?
[05:03] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, sorry, but we'd just seen the restrictedformats and we'd already do that
[05:03] <Xebitx> pftp-mew
[05:03] <joneil> I have some problems when i want to install mplayer
[05:03] <bob2> Xebitx: why? sftp is in Ubuntu already.
[05:03] <wfx> solve my problem
[05:03] <scizzo> Sp4rKy: what is the problem then?
[05:03] <Xebitx> hmm
[05:03] <wfx>  echo 256 > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc does the trick
[05:03] <bob2> joneil: get rid of the marillat lines from your sources.list
[05:03] <wfx> it increase it to 256kbyte
[05:03] <Xebitx> I want to try pftp
[05:03] <joneil> I have already do that
[05:03] <Xebitx> bob2: I want to try pftp
[05:03] <wfx> thx by
[05:03] <occy> bob2: ahh, so it's "unfixable"
[05:03] <picochu> bob2: nah. it's okay. I know there are other distro i can use. without much trouble
[05:03] <bob2> Xebitx: ftp: /usr/bin/pftp
[05:03] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, when we try to install mplayer from marillat, we've warning about library
[05:04] <joneil> but when i want to install mplayer I have a problem
[05:04] <Xebitx> bob2: thx
[05:04] <bob2> occy: huh? no.
[05:04] <bob2> Xebitx: it's in the ftp package.
[05:04] <scizzo> Sp4rKy: what library?
[05:04] <joneil> i cant because it search somes dependences
[05:04] <bob2> joneil: so paste the error to #flood
[05:04] <bob2> picochu: until they get chased down
[05:04] <bob2> picochu: oh well, whatever you prefer
[05:04] <occy> anyhoo
[05:04] <joneil> ok
[05:04] <Ironfrost> All my desktop icons have vanished and I can't start the File Browser - is there any way to recover from this without having to log out then back in?
[05:04] <bob2> occy: because it's not nearly important enough to go in the topic
[05:04] <jasp> anyone here used the paid support from canonical? ... or any other paid support for ubuntu?
[05:04] <occy> bob2: heh
[05:04] <picochu> bob2: if that's the case, there's always other distros as well
[05:05] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, could you go to #flood plase
[05:05] <BockBilbo> i gotta go
[05:05] <bob2> picochu: ok!
[05:05] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, i put error here
[05:05] <bob2> people obsess over the tiniest things
[05:05] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, ill be back to tell you that ive posted that info on your program and to tell you the url
[05:05] <BockBilbo> bye
[05:05] <tritium> haritz, after updating, you should be able to get xmms.  I'll be away for a while.
[05:05] <picochu> bob2: your the kind that like to have the last word, don't you
[05:06] <haritz> tritium ,bob2 , buckbilbo it now connecting to achive.ubunto.com
[05:06] <bob2> is it possible to answer that without giving you the vindication you desire?
[05:06] <occy> picochu: hey... be nice to bob2.  He's quite helpful.
[05:06] <tritium> haritz, good :)
[05:06] <tritium> haritz, see you around.
[05:06] <thoreauputic> picochu: bob2 is like, one of the most knowledgeable people in the channel
[05:06] <haritz> tritium , but 0 % sir
[05:07] <scizzo> Sp4rKy: try to use mplayer-isomething
[05:07] <pont> bob2, is quite helpful
[05:07] <scizzo> Sp4rKy: depending on the architecture
[05:07] <occy> heck... bob2 is like a Freenode Icon.
[05:07] <occy> heh
[05:07] <scizzo> Sp4rKy: otherwise...you need to look for that library somewhere
[05:07] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, i'm on a x86 32bit
[05:07] <picochu> thoreauputic: regardless, there's no reason to brow beat me. just because I want to use mplayer without hassle
[05:07] <scizzo> Sp4rKy: uname -a
[05:07] <occy> ubuntu: cool nick.
[05:07] <occy> :)
[05:07] <pont> I don't think i will use ubuntu for developemnt
[05:07] <LISP> why not?
[05:08] <Sp4rKy> scizzo, please wait few sec
[05:08] <picochu> LISP: if you look at the available packages... for devel. it is still pretty much incomplete
[05:08] <ubuntu> Hi guys, I just installed UT2k4, and it doesn't want to work when I'm logged in as a normal user, but I can play it when I'm as root. I get the following error when I try running the game as a normal user:
[05:08] <bob2> picochu: for example?
[05:08] <ubuntu> Can't find 'ini:Engine.Engine.GameEngine' in configuration file
[05:08] <pont> LISP, because I have a gentoo box, and it seem much simpler ;)
[05:08] <joneil> uname -a result
[05:08] <picochu> pont: my point exactly ;)
[05:08] <pont> But i have to admin ubuntu works great on my iBook :)
[05:09] <Sp4rKy> no joneil, the result of "uname -a"  command
[05:09] <Sp4rKy> :)
[05:09] <joneil> looool
[05:09] <bob2> joneil: install mplayer-386
[05:09] <LISP> how long does it take to setup a stage one gentoo?
[05:09] <bob2> the output of uname is not useful here
[05:09] <LISP> i want to put it next to my ubu
[05:09] <picochu> LISP: you don't need to install from stage 1.
[05:09] <joneil> it's the same result with all the mplayer
[05:09] <pont> im doing C# at uni and was thinking about doing some muine development
[05:09] <joneil> uname -a apt-get install mplayer-custom
[05:09] <joneil> Reading package lists... Done
[05:09] <joneil> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:09] <joneil> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[05:09] <joneil> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[05:09] <joneil> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[05:09] <joneil> or been moved out of Incoming.
[05:10] <LISP> i want to, that's why i want gentoo, for speed
[05:10] <bob2> joneil: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:10] <joneil> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[05:10] <ctr> anyone know if it is possible to dual head a mac latop
[05:10] <joneil> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[05:10] <pont> somekinda lame xchat plugin thing would be good for a start i think
[05:10] <joneil> that package should be filed.
[05:10] <joneil> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[05:10] <joneil> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:10] <bob2> joneil: dude, don't do that again
[05:10] <occy> joneil: #flood please
[05:10] <joneil>   mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not going to be installed
[05:10] <joneil> E: Broken packages
[05:10] <scizzo> joneil: what are you doing!
[05:10] <joneil> ok
[05:10] <scizzo> joneil: I said uname -a
[05:10] <scizzo> joneil: nothing else
[05:10] <bob2> joneil: you've been told not to before
[05:10] <joneil> soory
[05:10] <bob2> joneil: now paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:10] <occy> joneil: or you can use pastebin.com
[05:10] <joneil> ok, really sorry
[05:10] <adam_> SeamusLP, hey bud
[05:10] <haritz> umm guys, connecting time out while i updating.
[05:10] <adam_> that didnt work out so well
[05:11] <picochu> LISP: install  gentoo from stage 1 won't guarantee you the fastest performance
[05:11] <occy> joneil: It happens to everyone, just don't do it again. :)
[05:11] <pont> although i don't think this dist achives its goals of being uber user frendly, I do like the fact that its simple and uses gnome :)
[05:11] <LISP> picochu: why not?...
[05:11] <bob2> LISP: meh, using gentoo for performance is pretty silly
[05:11] <bob2> pont: please file bugs if you find problems, so they can be fixed
[05:11] <thoreauputic> umm... /join #gentoo, guys?
[05:11] <pont> bob2, Where can i do that ?
[05:11] <bob2> pont: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:12] <pont> bob2, Theres some things I think could be better, can i post them there ?
[05:12] <mischa> which tree is unstable since hoary became stable?
[05:12] <bob2> joneil: so, you didn't get rid of the marillat line
[05:12] <bob2> mischa: breezy, which doesn't exist yet
[05:12] <Bazzi> mischa breezy
[05:12] <_phate_> is there away to play dvds in ubuntu?
[05:13] <LISP> bob2: pretty silly? i had another compile based distro, crux...why else should i use gentoo?
[05:13] <bob2> joneil: get rid of it, run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install mplayer-386'
[05:13] <bob2> _phate_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:13] <geronimo_> but no sound
[05:13] <perl1> how long will an dvd image stay online - i mean, will i be able to fetch it with 64k isdn or will it be gone before i finish
[05:13] <perl1> ?
[05:13] <mischa> Bazzi: because i don't get updates anymore:)
[05:13] <bob2> LISP: because it gives you a tiny boost, if anything.  some benhcmarks showed debian being faster than gentoo.
[05:13] <Bazzi> mischa give the devs a little rest
[05:13] <Bazzi> hoary will be updated,
[05:13] <bob2> pont: the release isos? months.
[05:13] <joneil> bob2. I have already do it
[05:13] <floater>  /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/include -> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.10-5) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.10-5-k7).  Even if the module were to compile successfully,it would not load into the running kernel. And then: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7/include/ --> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.10) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.10-5-k7).  Even if the module were to compile successfully
[05:13] <mischa> Bazzi: :)
[05:14] <LISP> hmmmm..strange
[05:14] <bob2> joneil: not according to what you showed us
[05:14] <joneil> so what can i do
[05:14] <joneil> just a update
[05:14] <floater> where does that my line end ?
[05:14] <bob2> floater: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:14] <picochu> LISP: bob2's right...
[05:14] <bob2> joneil: it's really frustrating when you ignore what people tell you
[05:14] <picochu> LISP: so it wall depends
[05:14] <mischa> Bazzi: now i know why there were so many updates every day. it had to become stable :)
[05:14] <bob2> joneil: I've told you twice how to fix your problem
[05:14] <bob2> joneil: 01:13:00           bob2 | joneil: get rid of it, run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install mplayer-386'
[05:14] <Bazzi> mischa true. withtin the last 3 weeks they updated each package like 10 times ;)
[05:15] <floater> bob2: I have done that, maybe if I reinstall them ?
[05:15] <LISP> than i still got a killer distro :D...the kiddie in me is happy
[05:15] <bob2> floater: you need to be running the same kernel version
[05:15] <pont> bob2, Before i post my bug report.. May i ask you a question ?
[05:15] <picochu> LISP: but the reason i use gentoo is that it makes devel a lot easier.. partially because the source is always there :)
[05:15] <bob2> floater: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[05:15] <joneil> bob2, sorry but i'm french and it's not easy do understand everything
[05:15] <bob2> pont: ok?
[05:16] <floater> 2.6.10-5-k7 prints out that
[05:16] <hdo781> What does it mean when people put an exclamation point in front of a word?  Like this: !faq
[05:16] <pont> bob2, Is ubuntu spost to add your user to the sudo list
[05:16] <_phate_> bob2, is that current for haory?
[05:16] <bob2> joneil: please ask for clarification then, or go to #ubuntu-fr
[05:16] <zAo^> can anyone send tell me where to get libCurl3 version <= 7.12-3? Thanks. I need it; the latest got a bug. TA!
[05:16] <pont> bob2, cause as i can tell it dosn't, and i think it should by default
[05:16] <bob2> hdo781: nothing in here.  in some other IRC channels it triggers a bot to spit out some piece of information.
[05:16] <bob2> pont: the initial user? yes.
[05:16] <bob2> pont: it doesn't add subsequent ones.
[05:17] <bob2> _phate_: is what current for hoary?
[05:17] <haritz> umm guys, 20 % for my updating ^_^
[05:17] <LISP> picochu: what kind devel?
[05:17] <pont> bob2, Hmm... didn't work for me
[05:17] <woody> hi everyone!
[05:17] <haritz> how long is it?
[05:17] <pont> bob2, Perhaps it dosn't do it on the PPC build ?
[05:17] <_phate_> bob2, that restricted wiki page
[05:17] <majic> If I add universe to the Ubuntu Update Manager it will promply forget my settings if I go to check again if that repository has been added.
[05:17] <picochu> LISP: what do you mean?
[05:17] <floater> this thing ain't working and I don't see any solution
[05:17] <bob2> pont: no, it's extremely unlikely that's the problem
[05:17] <floater> nor does anyone it seems... vmware sucks
[05:17] <pont> hmm
[05:17] <bob2> floater: it sounds very much like a vmware problem, sorry
[05:17] <thoreauputic> pont: it does - perhaps you used the "expert" install?
[05:17] <LISP> c? php?...
[05:17] <bob2> _phate_: it should be
[05:18] <pont> thoreauputic, that i did
[05:18] <floater> it doesn't understand that I am running the correct kernel
[05:18] <pont> thoreauputic, So it dosn't do it in the expert install ?
[05:18] <woody> who have some * ubuntu * wallpaper ?????
[05:18] <mercurus> well, I have to say Hoary is very smooth ...
[05:18] <mercurus> and I even have an nVidia card ...
[05:18] <Sp4rKy> bob2, please, we've tried all you said for codec install, we'd seen Restricted Format, we'd tried to install mplayer-386... But it's the same...
[05:18] <thoreauputic> pont: I know some people who used expert install didn't get the option, and got a root user
[05:18] <bob2> woody: everyone who has ubuntu installed
[05:19] <picochu> LISP: practically everything i guess. I do HPC stuffs. so, in my case it's C/C++ and fortran. Gentoo has quite an impressive range of devel software. PS: i think we should bring this conversation to private.
[05:19] <bob2> Sp4rKy: er?
[05:19] <pont> thoreauputic, I got an option to add another user, just didn't make it a sudoer
[05:19] <bob2> Sp4rKy: are you making the same mistake as joneil is?
[05:19] <Sp4rKy> yes, i'm "with" joneil
[05:19] <LISP> fortran? i thought it died a long, long, time ago (nirvana-the man who sold the world :P)
[05:19] <bob2> picochu: can you name one piece of free development software that isn't in ubuntu?
[05:19] <thoreauputic> pont: right - you get to add the user with visudo , since you are an "expert" *grin*
[05:19] <bob2> LISP: not in the scientific world
[05:20] <picochu> bob2: OGRE
[05:20] <bob2> Sp4rKy: then, someone needs to translate for joneil, since I've told him 3 times how to fix it
[05:20] <pont> thoreauputic, Dang, I thought it would just give me more options :p
[05:20] <picochu> bob2: OpenSceneGraph
[05:20] <picochu> bob2: i could go on and on
[05:20] <thoreauputic> pont: the default install makes the first user a member of sudoers
[05:20] <joneil> okey i can apt mplayer now thx
[05:20] <pont> thoreauputic, I see
[05:20] <Sp4rKy> bob2, i'm really sorry, could you repeat a last
[05:20] <bob2> Sp4rKy: no
[05:21] <pont> thoreauputic, well thats quite annoying
[05:21] <bob2> Sp4rKy: /lastlog bob2
[05:21] <woody> I want another wallpaper
[05:21] <LISP> joneil: don't apt mplayer
[05:21] <bob2> woody: I want a pony
[05:21] <picochu> LISP: fortran is pretty much still alive in scientific computing
[05:21] <LISP> joneil: compile it
[05:21] <aya> Hi, can anybody help me with an ldap authentication pb ?
[05:21] <Sp4rKy> bob2, thx, i don't know this command :)
[05:21] <bob2> LISP: please don't advise people to compile things for no reason
[05:21] <LISP> it's not for no reaseon
[05:21] <LISP> i didn't just say so
[05:21] <woody> ...............
[05:21] <bob2> LISP: unless it will a) actually help them (in this case it won't) and b) you will support them when they screw it up
[05:22] <bob2> LISP: what's the point of compiling mplayer?
[05:22] <LISP> ubuntu mplayer doesn', as far as i've seen have gui enabled, or i'm in a big mess :P
[05:22] <bob2> woody: install the ubuntu-artwork packages
[05:22] <bob2> LISP: gmplayer
[05:22] <aya> I'm using warty. I can login into my system with a normal or ldap user, so authentication works, but when I reboot, the system freeze on each "chown 0:0", searching user in ldap, but not in local. I have "passwd: files ldap" in my /etc/nsswitch.conf
[05:22] <pont> get vlc :)
[05:22] <LISP> and furthermore, i get all sorts of problems
[05:22] <woody> thanks!
[05:23] <floater> heh, does vmware.com work for you guys ?
[05:23] <bob2> LISP: for example?
[05:23] <LISP> problems with fullscreen
[05:23] <floater> like I wasn't already mad at them, their website is even down for me
[05:23] <jobezone> k
[05:23] <bob2> LISP: if you have problems with packages in ubuntu, please file bugs
[05:23] <LISP> i don't think it has all the codecs
[05:23] <pont> everyone should install 3ddesk, its the best fun since sliced bread
[05:23] <LISP> i'll post a bug report maybe
[05:23] <bob2> LISP: for example?
[05:24] <_phate_> how do I mount a NTFS partition so it mounts and is availible at boot up?
[05:24] <deception_inuk> pont: is 3ddesk in the repo's?
[05:24] <Sp4rKy> bye, thx for all
[05:24] <LISP> crappy fullscreen output
[05:24] <bob2> LISP: which means?
[05:24] <bob2> _phate_: that's not in the FAQ?
[05:24] <picochu> LISP:  they've removed some of the codes because of "patent" issues....
[05:24] <pont> deception_inuk, Sorry to sound ignorent but whats a repo
[05:24] <LISP> and that's my problem
[05:24] <woody> but It's only two wallpapers .
[05:24] <adam_> SeamusLP, ok im back
[05:24] <LISP> because you have to recompile the package :|
[05:25] <bob2> LISP: please name one that's removed
[05:25] <deception_inuk> pont: thats ok, i mean repositries, apt-get
[05:25] <imperfect-> _phate_: It's in fstab
[05:25] <_phate_> bob2, there is an FAQ? where?
[05:25] <imperfect-> _phate_: I dunno how good NTFS driver is though... might wanna do it ro
[05:25] <imperfect-> Can I ftp install hoary?
[05:26] <pont> deception_inuk, then yes :) it is
[05:26] <bob2> imperfect-: you mean install over the network? sure.
[05:26] <picochu> _phate_  AFIAK NFTS is still read only
[05:26] <imperfect-> bob2: Is there a ISO for net install?
[05:26] <deception_inuk> pont: but you need to use gnome by the looks of the description =(
[05:26] <picochu> _phate_ write at your own risk
[05:26] <LISP> bob2: i don't know the exact ones, but i suppose that't he problem, ask picochu for details :p
[05:26] <bob2> _phate_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/
[05:26] <imperfect-> picohu: it's rw -- it's just dangerous ;)
[05:26] <pont> deception_inuk, nah you don't
[05:27] <bob2> LISP: guessing doesn't help, please file bugs if you have well-defined complaints
[05:27] <pont> deception_inuk, Well you shouldn't anyway..
[05:27] <bob2> imperfect-: don't think so
[05:27] <imperfect-> I need a firewire cage that supports > 127G
[05:27] <imperfect-> bob2: dont think so?
[05:27] <imperfect-> bob2: ah, yeah
[05:27] <imperfect-> bob2: I guess I can just grab a hoary iso
[05:27] <deception_inuk> pont: ok, good stuff, ill install and get back to you
[05:27] <pont> deception_inuk, You will be having so much fun
[05:28] <LISP> is anyone here using kde default on ubu? or just using kubu?
[05:28] <plb> just installed hoary sound works in gnome but if i try to play a stream in say rhymbox i get errors
[05:28] <Riddell> LISP: same thing
[05:28] <bob2> LISP: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde installed
[05:28] <deception_inuk> pont: ok install, now what do i do =p ?
[05:28] <LISP> that's all? i hoped for more :)
[05:28] <deception_inuk> pont: *installed
[05:28] <pont> deception_inuk, run 3ddesk
[05:28] <bob2> LISP: I'm sure they'll take patches from you
[05:28] <pont> deception_inuk, on each workspace
[05:29] <LISP> maybe, when i get good enough at hacking...
[05:29] <pont> deception_inuk, bind it to a key combo :)
[05:29] <LISP> in about a decade or so =))
[05:29] <picochu> LISP: nah it won't take that long
[05:29] <deception_inuk> pont: such as? =P
[05:29] <wastrel> aloha where do i go for warty->hoary upgrade instructions?
[05:30] <LISP> to synaptic :D
[05:30] <LISP> wastrel - to synaptic :D
[05:30] <picochu> LSIP: synaptic is really cool tho
[05:30] <pont> dunno im using ctrl alt l
[05:30] <LISP> that's what i'm doing right now
[05:30] <pont> for some insane reson :P
[05:30] <bob2> wastrel: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[05:30] <imperfect-> Anyone know of a fast hoary iso site?
[05:30] <wastrel> thanks
[05:31] <bob2> imperfect-: cdimage.ubuntu.com has more bandwidth than jesus
[05:31] <deception_inuk> pont: ive loaded 3ddesk in each w/s but nothing happens when switchin..=(
[05:31] <pont> heh
[05:31] <imperfect-> bob2: I see.
[05:31] <pont> like nothing shows up ?
[05:31] <deception_inuk> nope nothing shows... ill try in gnome
[05:31] <LISP> wastrel: i'm not kidding, that's the deb philosphy..using twice a installer is not good
[05:31] <aya> I need help with a problem in nsswitch.conf
[05:31] <deception_inuk> pont: brb
[05:32] <pont> deception_inuk, might wanna look at /etc/3ddesktop
[05:32] <imperfect-> bob2: im just seeing torrents on the ftp.. am i looking in the wrong place?
[05:32] <pont> deception_inuk, might wanna look at /etc/3ddesktop/3ddesktop.conf even
[05:33] <bob2> imperfect-: yes
[05:33] <thoreauputic> pont: he might want to run 3ddesk --acquire first ( see 3ddesk --help)
[05:34] <LISP> does anyone know a good book about network security?
[05:34] <wastrel> mmm downloading 559 MB
[05:34] <paulfox> when you try to kill an app from the command line with killall appname, but the process still runs, whats a better way of killing it?
[05:34] <LISP> sorry for asking here
[05:34] <pont> thoreauputic, Oh ok, I didn't need to do that
[05:34] <LISP> or at least a good channel
[05:34] <wastrel> paulfox: kill -9 <processid>
[05:35] <bob2> paulfox: some processes are unkillable
[05:35] <paulfox> wastrel, cheers done
[05:35] <paulfox> it's just gnome-launch-box
[05:35] <bob2> imperfect-: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[05:35] <pont> does anyone know why gnome changed from sawmill to metacity
[05:35] <LISP> bob2: some processes are unkillable?
[05:35] <bob2> LISP: yes
[05:35] <wastrel> sawmill was too configurable ;] 
[05:35] <zico> hello. WHat is my default root password?
[05:35] <LISP> not even as root?
[05:35] <bob2> pont: they wanted something simpler
[05:35] <wastrel> zico: you don't have one
[05:35] <LISP> zico: there is no such
[05:35] <bob2> zico: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:36] <bob2> zico: this is in the faq...
[05:36] <LISP> zico: sudo passwd root
[05:36] <bob2> LISP: yes, even as root
[05:36] <LISP> bob2: have to stop trying then :p
[05:36] <paulfox> bob2, would they be kernel processes?
[05:36] <picochu> LISP: kernel processes
[05:36] <bob2> paulfox: no, user ones
[05:36] <pont> bob2, Oh ok, both are alot better then when they used to use Enlightenment :P~
[05:37] <paulfox> bob2, stressed out much?
[05:37] <bob2> paulfox: if they get stuck waiting for the kernel to do something, like access a broken network filesystem or something
[05:37] <bob2> paulfox: hrm?
[05:37] <paulfox> bob2, you said user processes are unkillable, i thought you were being sarcastic :)
[05:37] <bob2> oh, hah
[05:38] <john> Hello!
[05:38] <zico> then whats my default sudo password?
[05:38] <pont> does ubuntu work close with gnome devel?
[05:39] <paulfox> zico, your user password
[05:39] <zico> ok thx
[05:40] <john> I am updating to hoary now! I am very pleased!
[05:40] <john> As the newbie I am...
[05:40] <bob2> pont: yes
[05:40] <LISP> john: me not yet :p
[05:40] <wastrel> how do i check with apt whether a package is installed?
[05:40] <john> LISP: What do you mean?
[05:40] <LISP> i want firefox 1.03 rss
[05:40] <bob2> wastrel: dpkg -l blah
[05:41] <LISP> :)
[05:41] <thoreauputic> wastrel: apt-cache policy <package> wil tell you
[05:41] <wastrel> thanks
[05:41] <picochu> LISP: you are a tough customer to please
[05:41] <LISP> picochu: why not?
[05:41] <picochu> picochu: oops i left out ;)
[05:41] <wastrel> ok thanks guys
[05:41] <rijad> whats the best mediaplayer for linux?
[05:41] <LISP> picochu:after trying some distros, none is perfect :(
[05:41] <rijad> ubuntu i mean
[05:42] <LISP> rijad: mplayer
[05:42] <bob2> rijad: there's no "best"
[05:42] <bob2> mplayer tends to be the least hassle, tho
[05:42] <thoreauputic> rijad: some prefer xine-ui or totem-xine
[05:42] <jordanau> rijad, what do you want to do
[05:42] <rijad> well which works the best?
[05:42] <picochu> LISP: just like girlfriends, distro arent perfect
[05:42] <LISP> rijad: for me xine does not work, i have to work on it :p
[05:42] <LISP> picochu: and like girls, there's a lot of work involved =))
[05:42] <bob2> rijad: there's still no "best"
[05:42] <jordanau> rijad, i like gmplayer (is it the same as mplayer?)
[05:43] <thoreauputic> rijad: try them and decide which you prefer
[05:43] <prova> hello, i cannot connect using pppoe, the firts time i ran ubuntu it worked, now i tried using pppoeconf, plog etc, ppp0 seems to be up, i receive my ip address  but cannot ping anything outside the network.
[05:43] <rijad> hmm mplayer doesn't want to plat mp3's :S
[05:43] <jordanau> rijad, you have to download something special for mp3 playback
[05:43] <LISP> rijad: it's a movie player, as far as i now
[05:43] <LISP> rijad: xmms
[05:43] <prova> Network utilities tell me that ppp0 is down ..
[05:43] <picochu> LISP: mplayer plays EVERYTHING ;)
[05:43] <bob2> rijad: sure it will play mp3s
[05:43] <bob2> jordanau: not for mplayer
[05:44] <LISP> picochu: but why bother? ;)
[05:44] <jordanau> bob2, gotcha thanks
[05:44] <imperfect-> I've had good luck w/ vlc
[05:44] <jordanau> rijad, ignore what i said
[05:44] <picochu> LISP: it makes a rather good CLI mp3/ogg player
[05:44] <imperfect-> ampache is the shizzle.
[05:44] <rijad> hmm it needs a plugin, or atlist that ehat the error mess says
[05:44] <LISP> rijad: wanna a cli player? :P
[05:44] <imperfect-> mpg123!
[05:45] <prova> please help.
[05:45] <thoreauputic> imperfect-: or mpg321 :)
[05:45] <deFrysk> prova, with ?
[05:45] <prova> hello, i cannot connect using pppoe, the firts time i ran ubuntu it worked, now i tried using pppoeconf, plog etc, ppp0 seems to be up, i receive my ip address  but cannot ping anything outside the network.
[05:46] <lkjasdf> hello all!
[05:46] <LISP> is there a way i can tell synaptic to install all packages suggested?
[05:46] <LISP> other than hacking it
[05:46] <lkjasdf> is there a known way the installer of 5.04 not affect the mbr and install grub on a floppy?
[05:46] <imperfect-> I think I'm going to use hoary here at work on my main PC
[05:46] <imperfect-> wonde rhow it'll go
[05:47] <rijad> hmm ok, a nother question: can you usa a ntfs-partion on ubuntu? how?
[05:47] <yahalom> anyone here use xfce w/ ubuntu?
[05:47] <bob2> rijad: you can read it fine
[05:47] <jordanau> rijad, you cant write to it
[05:47] <LISP> yahalom: i used too
[05:47] <MrNonchalant> LISP: as in, treat suggestions as dependencies?
[05:47] <rijad> well i can't see it at all :S
[05:47] <jordanau> did you follow the ubuntuguide?
[05:47] <LISP> yes, and recomended too
[05:48] <jordanau> rijad, i thin kit is on there
[05:48] <prova> rijad, or try affeine, it work well for me
[05:48] <jordanau> thin kit /think it
[05:48] <yahalom> LISP, i seem to be missing plugins, any ideas
[05:48] <rijad> don't remember the adress :S
[05:48] <MrNonchalant> LISP: there's a setting in prefernces that say something to that effect
[05:48] <jordanau> rijad, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[05:48] <picochu> bob2: one major gripe i have with utunbu install: There's no way for me to get out of the automatic installation procedure unless something goes wrong.
[05:48] <LISP> yahalom: plugins for?
[05:48] <LISP> yahalom: xfce? search xfce in synaptic
[05:49] <rijad> thxe1
[05:49] <MrNonchalant> LISP: Settings -> Preferences and it should be on the first tab
[05:49] <bob2> picochu: sure there is
[05:49] <thoreauputic> picochu: alt-F3
[05:49] <jordanau> rijad, That, the forum howtos, the introduction to linux, and manpages are your best friend
[05:49] <picochu> bob2: well it wasn't written on the screen
[05:49] <LISP> yahalom: try name and description
[05:49] <rijad> yeah
[05:49] <jordanau> rijad, and ubuntu wiki
[05:49] <LISP> yahalom: you should find all packages
[05:49] <jordanau> I just got four freaking shots in my arms
[05:49] <yahalom> LISP, i did
[05:49] <LISP> yahalom: xfce has goodies too
[05:49] <bob2> picochu: sure, because it's not something 95% of people care about
[05:50] <yahalom> LISP, how do i get goodies?
[05:50] <LISP> yahalom: what's missing?
[05:50] <picochu> bob2: still that's a poor excuse
[05:50] <imperfect-> rijad: mount -t ntfs ?
[05:50] <yahalom> LISP, there is no session plugin
[05:50] <thoreauputic> picochu: at the beginning, there's the option to see help
[05:50] <bob2> picochu: if you do for some reason (I'd be interested to know why), then boot with the expert option
[05:50] <bob2> picochu: it's not an excuse
[05:50] <yahalom> LISP, there is no workspaces plugin
[05:50] <picochu> bob2: in that case bob. why should people install linux.. after all that's not something 95% of people care about
[05:50] <bob2> picochu: it doesnt include my grandmother's chocolate pudding recipe on screen, either
[05:50] <bob2> picochu: that's a stupid argument
[05:50] <MrNonchalant> LISP: go to Settings -> Preferences and check "consider recommended packages as dependencies"
[05:51] <bob2> but meh
[05:51] <LISP> yahalom: i know it sounds lame, but right know i really can't help, you, i'm upgrading distro, cand i can't look it up in synaptic, but i promiss to check it
[05:51] <MrNonchalant> that might do it
[05:51] <LISP> mrnonchalant: thx
[05:51] <LISP> yahalom: they should be there
[05:51] <picochu> bob2: I consider that HCI design.
[05:51] <yahalom> LISP, not lame. its ok. thanx
[05:51] <LISP> yahalom: i used debian unstable, ubu's brother too
[05:52] <LISP> yahalom: and it had all of them
[05:52] <bob2> picochu: ok
[05:52] <LISP> yahalom: on ubu i haven't had the time yet
[05:52] <LISP> yahalom: to really install, and check out xfce, but i will, it's my favourite
[05:53] <yahalom> LISP, ok, i think some of the plugins might come with goodies
[05:53] <LISP> yahalom: i know they do
[05:53] <pont> what on linux takes advantage of 64bit ?
[05:53] <LISP> yahalom: do you have all repositories?
[05:53] <yahalom> LISP, ah ok, so i had to download the binary for that
[05:53] <pont> like athlon 64's
[05:53] <yahalom> LISP, yeah
[05:53] <bob2> pont: this isn't windows
[05:53] <picochu> pont larger memory address space
[05:53] <LISP> yahalom: then you should have all of xfce, it's impossible not too
[05:54] <pont> bob2, Really ?
[05:54] <yahalom> LISP, man i checked everything was xfce, maybe i need to look for workspace plugin?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> picochu: the startscreen of the installer has a number of options, with directions which keys to push...
[05:54] <bob2> pont: it's not as simple as 'what takes advantage of it'
[05:55] <picochu> thoreauputic: but once, I'm 1/2 way thru i can't backtrack
[05:55] <LISP> try it, though i doubt it, i remember as it being in another package, it's not named workspace plugin...
[05:55] <picochu> thoreauputic that's bad!
[05:55] <pont> bob2, well if it was windows the answer would be nothing :P~
[05:55] <_phate_> I have a Pentium III, will I get any benefit if I apt-get linux-686 over the default linux-i386?
[05:55] <LISP> yahalom: use name and description, that's what i always do
[05:55] <Xebitx> anyone know why mplayer freezes when I try to play an .avi file?
[05:55] <MrNonchalant> picochu: A graphical installer is on the list for the next release. Till then...
[05:56] <LISP> once i have everything on i'll try to give you full instructions
[05:56] <picochu> MrNonchalant: it is not a gui issue. Even debian installer gives me the option to backtrack
[05:56] <LISP> mrnonchalant: is that gui installer really necessary? ;)
[05:56] <yahalom> LISP, weird i installed everything, but then it deselected my xfce desktop environment, the pseudo package, should i get that?
[05:56] <reon> Question: I need to build a 32bit chroot, what repositories do I have to add or which ones are recommended by default ???
[05:57] <pont> picochu, How does  that help ? I can handle more pointers at once ?
[05:57] <shock_> I got a question dudes: hows the sleep support of the ubuntu kernel doing for the powerbook g4?
[05:57] <bob2> _phate_: some small amount, maybe
[05:57] <LISP> yahalom: if it doesn't uninstall everything else, probably :p
[05:57] <bob2> reon: it's not about repositores
[05:57] <reon> All I need is a URL/link pointing me in the right direction thanks!
[05:57] <shock_> i still got my custom debian kernel going but I'd be interested in some later improvements
[05:57] <_phate_> Xebitx, from what I understand .avi is a wrapper and not a specific file type
[05:58] <reon> bob2: I get a error when I follow the wiki/forum guide
[05:58] <LISP> _phate_: that's why i have avi :D
[06:00] <woody_> what's the best IRC client on ubuntu ??
[06:00] <ubuntu_> Is there something equivalent to kget in GNOME?
[06:00] <_phate_> woody, Xchat
[06:00] <ubuntu_> woody, x-chat is good.
[06:00] <LISP> kget is a frontend fo wget i supose?
[06:00] <_phate_> or BitchX
[06:00] <woody_> what's the version?  2.4.1 ?
[06:01] <ubuntu_> LISP, yep, looking for something like that but written with GNOME/GTK
[06:01] <_phate_> woody, yes
[06:01] <_phate_> thats what the current is
[06:01] <LISP> i'll look, though i still use wget
[06:01] <pont> ubuntu_, I have played around with one, cant remember the name tho sorry
[06:01] <pont> some exist tho :)
[06:02] <thoreauputic> d4l is "downloader for X" - not sure if it uses wget
[06:02] <woody_> thx
[06:02] <thoreauputic> oops --> d4x
[06:02] <LISP> tried d4x - nice
[06:02] <woody_> I like "proz"
[06:02] <_phate_> I have a Geforce2 Ultra (BladeRunner) is there a 3d driver for it? and how do I install it?
[06:02] <LISP> a download accelerator is what i'm missing
[06:03] <LISP> aget won't cut it for me
[06:03] <woody_> wget
[06:03] <ubuntu_> _phate_,  the nvidia drivers?
[06:03] <LISP> wget is just a non interactive downloader
[06:03] <woody_> It's powerful.
[06:03] <_phate_> ubuntu_, yes
[06:03] <thoreauputic> wget can fetch several streams - but it's nasty leech thing to do , really
[06:04] <yoni> Hi, I've just installed ubuntu and I have a few questions ..
[06:04] <ubuntu_> _phate_, http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[06:04] <ubuntu_> yoni, ask away
[06:04] <LISP> it can divide the package and retrieve them? as a down accel?
[06:04] <yahalom> anyone know the site for the new ubuntu guide?
[06:04] <yoni> Firstly, how can i access my windows folders (in mandrake it used to be /mnt/win_c)
[06:04] <pont> thoreauputic, do you if you can limit the amount of open connections using tc or somthing
[06:04] <LISP> have to look it up in man
[06:04] <yoni> yahalom: israeli ? :)
[06:04] <ubuntu_> yoni, is it ntfs/fat32?
[06:04] <pont> from one ip
[06:04] <yahalom> yoni, ken
[06:04] <thoreauputic> LISP: wget has so many options...
[06:05] <LISP> thorea: i know
[06:05] <yoni> ubuntu_, ntfs
[06:05] <LISP> thorea: but don't know them all :P
[06:05] <yoni> yahalom, do you mean ubuntuguide.org
[06:05] <thoreauputic> LISP: heh - does anyone?
[06:05] <ubuntu_> yoni, you can mount it (very simple), but I don't think ntfs write has been implemented yet
[06:05] <yahalom> yoni, yes thanx man
[06:05] <yoni> ubuntu_, no writing is needed, only reading ..
[06:05] <jordanau> yeah http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[06:05] <LISP> thorea: if anyone knows all the options for tar i'm willing to eat my monitor ;)
[06:05] <jordanau> yoni, ^^^
[06:06] <yoni> thanks jordanau O_
[06:06] <pont> you can use captive ntfs for writing so im told
[06:06] <LISP> thorea: EXCEPT THE DEVELOPER :d
[06:06] <LISP> :D
[06:06] <_phate_> ubuntu_, does that work for a geforce2?
[06:06] <SeamusLP> menu editor
[06:06] <thoreauputic> LISP: or screen ;) I gave up after 38 pages of the man "page"
[06:07] <LISP> thorea: bash is good too ;)
[06:07] <LISP> is it true that x uses max 24b of color?
[06:07] <ubuntu_> _phate_, not sure. It works for my gf2 mx. I'm fairly sure it'll work with the ultra. Check the nvidia website
[06:07] <LISP> i thought they were 24 plus the implicit 8 of transp
[06:08] <daniels> 34bpp is a crock
[06:08] <paulfox> any cdwriting pro's in here? :) i'm trying to write an audio cd with gnomebaker and graveman, but they both just eject the disk when it comes to writing
[06:08] <mjg59> LISP: Currently, yes. Once there's more hardware supporting stuff like 36 bit colour, that may change
[06:08] <devdude> wogwon
[06:08] <mjg59> LISP: There's up to 32 bits of data per pixel. Only 24 bits of that are colour.
[06:08] <devdude> what is kubuntu?
[06:08] <LISP> mgj59: i know the theory
[06:09] <LISP> mgj59: just wanted to know if x was using other terminology
[06:09] <mjg59> X supports 32 bits per pixel, but not 32 bits of colour per pixel
[06:09] <pont> weard
[06:09] <LISP> mgj59: because win includes the transparency
[06:09] <mjg59> So it'll be defined as 24 bit colour even if you're using 32 bits per pixel
[06:09] <LISP> mgj59: i knew that
[06:09] <LISP> was unsure if x was using 16 for color and 8 for transp
[06:10] <paulfox> here's the output from a filed gnomebaker burn. any ideas? http://www.pastebin.com/270023
[06:10] <LISP> mjg59: win says 32b for color, and i'm sure they're cheating :P
[06:11] <LISP> mjg59: txh for clearing it though
[06:11] <LISP> about cdwriting: which is the safest cd burning program? with gui i mean
[06:11] <LISP> xcdroast is any good?
[06:12] <jordanau> LISP, gnomebaker
[06:12] <thoreauputic> xcdroast works: gnomebaker is nice and works here
[06:12] <SeamusLP> LISP:  k3b is good if you're a kde guy
[06:13] <LISP> seamuslp: not kde...xfce, gnome if forced to :P
[06:13] <LISP> seamuslp: xcd says that thing about not having scsi
[06:13] <LISP> seamuslp: is it really so dangerous?
[06:14] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: goldfish woke up, save me!
[06:14] <Amaranth> LISP: Don't use xcdroast
[06:14] <thoreauputic> LISP: if you point it at /dev/hdc or whatever, it burns OK
[06:14] <Amaranth> LISP: gnomebaker and k3b are so much better it isn't even funny
[06:14] <SeamusLP> Amaranth: from what?  His gentoo fanboyism?
[06:14] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: hehe, he seems to be in this channel
[06:14] <LISP> seamuslp: amaranth: i'll try gnomebaker, but i don't want gnome just jor it
[06:15] <SeamusLP> Well oopse
[06:15] <LISP> amaranth: same for k3b
[06:15] <Amaranth> LISP: What wm are you using?
[06:15] <SeamusLP> LISP:  gnome goes nice with XFCE, they're both gtk based
[06:15] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:15] <LISP> amaranth: right noe gnome :D
[06:15] <yoni> ubuntuguide.org is the best help site ever O_O
[06:15] <LISP> amaranth: i know xfce is gtk based
[06:16] <LISP> amaranth: but getting 300megs of gnome, or so...
[06:16] <neighborlee> hi....I booted this am fresh to find my 'password' no longer working to login and i'm POSITIVE i'm typing it right...anyone else seeing this..if not how on earth do I get back in ??? (sigh) <
[06:16] <LISP> amaranth: xfce is small & fast
[06:16] <LISP> neigh: forget root, use sudo :P
[06:16] <neighborlee> LISP: no I mean 'login' as in I can't login to desktop
[06:17] <LISP> neigh: enter as your user
[06:17] <neighborlee> I can't
[06:17] <LISP> neigh: everybody had that shock
[06:17] <LISP> neigh: what????
[06:17] <neighborlee> it wont take my password <<
[06:17] <neighborlee> thats right
[06:17] <aurax> hello
[06:17] <SeamusLP> LISP:  XFCE is small and fast.  Using graveman will just mean it will take longer for it to load :P  Not going to bog down your whole system just by having gnome installed
[06:17] <thoreauputic> LISP:  type apt-cache depends gnomebaker to see what it needs
[06:17] <neighborlee> LISP: all of a sudden this am my password isn't working any longer and i'm positive im typing it right
[06:17] <LISP> thore: good one
[06:17] <SeamusLP> Take longer for graveman to load, I mean
[06:17] <cusco> Im listening to xmms, and when I stop, I hear all the noises from aMSN that where suposed to play
[06:18] <LISP> neigh: so you can't use your desktop?
[06:18] <LISP> neigh: at all?
[06:18] <LISP> neigh: user/root?
[06:19] <aurax> does anyone knows how to install a laser printer on ubuntu warty using print server
[06:19] <LISP> seamuslp: nasty one :>
[06:19] <neighborlee> LISP: root wont login either
[06:19] <MistaED> lousy doom 3 doesn't change the res back when exiting
[06:19] <nubbe> when I try to enter text into forum posts, typeaheadfind kicks in (really annoying) any way to get around? except disabling typeahad...?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> cusco: yeah, when xmms stops system sounds get played
[06:19] <LISP> neigh: so no you're in the console? or what?
[06:19] <MistaED> any reasons why?
[06:19] <nubbe> using firefox
[06:19] <neighborlee> LISP: something borked something really bad apparantly ..and I realy dont want to have to backup my stuff via ftp at the shell LOL
[06:19] <neighborlee> LISP: hahah
[06:19] <neighborlee> LISP: i'm in windows atm..I got frustrated and bailed
[06:20] <cusco> thoreauputic: can't they be played while xmms is playing?
[06:20] <cmug> n00b: what is the password for ubuntu on the livecd
[06:20] <neighborlee> LISP: although I can always go back and use that nasty irssi
[06:20] <LISP> neigh: i don't know how it could have did something, mayeb you messed up :(
[06:20] <cmug> i closed the lid of my laptop and now it asks for a password
[06:20] <Ben2004uk> i think its ubuntu
[06:20] <neighborlee> LISP: nope i'm positive..I typed it with one finger to be sure and its not taking it any longer ;(
[06:20] <cmug> nope
[06:20] <Ben2004uk> i did know it :)
[06:20] <cmug> ubuntu/ubuntu is denied
[06:21] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  You have a web site for your menu editor, right?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> cusco: it appears not ( at least here) I assume system sounds are using gstreamer or something, and xmms isn't (just guessing - I don't really know)
[06:21] <cn> someone knows where to get transcode + dvdrip package for hoary 64bit?
[06:21] <LISP> neigh: now, i meant you did something to the system
[06:21] <neighborlee> LISP: as I say..odd thing is I did not change it...
[06:21] <ubuntu_> cmug, wouldn't it just be your user password?
[06:21] <nubbe> cmug, what happens if u just hit enter?
[06:21] <cmug> ubuntu_, livecd
[06:21] <cmug> nubbe, it says "Login canceled"
[06:21] <LISP> neigh: enter in recovery mode
[06:21] <ubuntu_> Oh
[06:21] <LISP> neigh: as root
[06:21] <nubbe> k
[06:21] <LISP> neigh: then passwd user
[06:21] <thoreauputic> cusco: if I play mp3 with rhythmbox, system sounds remain unmuted
[06:21] <neighborlee> LISP: nope..i've been in windows lately due to this game I use for which has no game e ditor equivalent atm for linux...so nope i've done nothing..I wonder if using reiserfs was a BAD idea
[06:21] <cusco> rhythmbox is good?
[06:22] <cusco> gonna try that
[06:22] <cusco> thanks
[06:22] <LISP> neigh: not likely, reiser is GOOD
[06:22] <neighborlee> LISP: i'm afraid that is no possible..I can NOT  login cause my password isn't being taken ;(...not root or user
[06:22] <neighborlee> LISP: I hope your right ;-)
[06:22] <LISP> neigh: you can't login as root in gnome
[06:22] <thoreauputic> cusco: you'll need gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:22] <neighborlee> LISP: correct
[06:22] <cusco> thoreauputic: I do have it
[06:22] <LISP> neigh: but in console you can
[06:22] <aurax> so anyone got experience with print servers and stuff
[06:22] <thoreauputic> cusco: OK
[06:22] <dieffel> hi all! What newsreader would you recommend for ubuntu/gnome??
[06:22] <neighborlee> LISP: nope not in either console OR desktop
[06:22] <LISP> neigh: have you set a new root passwd?
[06:23] <neighborlee> LISP: nope..
[06:23] <yonil> problem: once i hit "play" on xmms it get stuck .... :(
[06:23] <cusco> THANKS lol
[06:23] <LISP> neigh: YOU'RE DOOMED :p
[06:23] <thoreauputic> dieffel: pan
[06:23] <neighborlee> LISP: thats what is so scary..i've reset nothing ;(
[06:23] <neighborlee> LISP: tell me about it
[06:23] <Ben2004uk> aurax: some, not much
[06:23] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: it's on the ubuntu forums
[06:23] <neighborlee> LISP: sigh
[06:23] <dieffel> thoreauputic, ok i'll try that
[06:23] <cusco> neighborlee: can't you go on recovery mode? why?
[06:23] <LISP> neigh: c'mon, a reinstall is quick
[06:23] <neighborlee> cusco: I tried that..NO GO  because it still needs password to do anything
[06:23] <yonil> where can i configure my sound ?
[06:24] <LISP> neigh: i did plenty a boo-boo,and got back on my feet again
[06:24] <neighborlee> LISP: yeah but all my emails and stuff...im' going to have to 'backup' somehow first
[06:24] <cusco> neighborlee: a root password?
[06:24] <queuetue> Does anyone know of a SFA (sales force automation) tool for linux? Tracks customers/prospects and includes a "tickler" system for workflow management?
[06:24] <aurax> Ben2004uk, i got trendet printserver and xerox phase 3116
[06:24] <cusco> shouldn't have set one...
[06:24] <neighborlee> cusco: no passwords are being taken
[06:24] <prova> hello, i cannot connect using pppoe http://tnet.no/paste/825112610886, could help?
[06:24] <neighborlee> cusco: i'm looking at a reinstall and it might not be ubuntu if I do
[06:24] <cusco> ok..
[06:24] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: use  init=/bin/bash
[06:24] <LISP> use a livecd or something
[06:24] <neighborlee> i'm sick of this
[06:24] <LISP> to backup the data as a whole
[06:25] <neighborlee> I can backup via ftp ,,its just a major pita ;-)...oh well
[06:25] <LISP> neigh: don't ditch ubu, next time set the root passwd, and let root login via gdm
[06:25] <neighborlee> thoreauputic: ?
[06:25] <krypt0s> "It will ask to install a bootloader called grub into the master boot record of the active hard drive. As several posts here have noted, there may be problems with XP after doing this." I read this. Is this an issues when dual booting?. If it is I kind of have to know as this is the only PC I have to hand and if I screw it up I can't get in touch with ubuntu support x_x
[06:25] <neighborlee> LISP: well I 'do' have a root password
[06:25] <yonil> you guys ? how can i configure my sound .. its not working :(
[06:25] <LISP> neigh: did you let root login via gdm?
[06:25] <neighborlee> LISP: thats the odd thing..its not taking it for some reason just like it wont take my regular user account passwd ;(..
[06:26] <neighborlee> LISP: I know it makes no sense but that is whats happening
[06:26] <neighborlee> LISP: I can't login with root OR user anywhere
[06:26] <neighborlee> LISP: and as I say im positive I changed nothing..something has happened during a update it had to have
[06:26] <cusco> yonil: try alsamixer
[06:26] <LISP> neigh: i don't know... it's a dead end
[06:27] <LISP> neigh: backup via boot/live cd, to another partition
[06:27] <prova> neighborlee, linux single?
[06:27] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: sounds obvious I know but - caps lock ?
[06:27] <neighborlee> LISP: sadly yes..I held out hope there was some unknown 'fix' I wasn't thinking of ;-))
[06:27] <neighborlee> thoreauputic: nope
[06:27] <neighborlee> thoreauputic: good idea though
[06:27] <prova> neighborlee, access from a live and change youur /etc/passwd
[06:27] <neighborlee> prova: hmm
[06:27] <mrjive> hi *
[06:27] <neighborlee> prova: are you sure this is possible ?
[06:28] <prova> why should not?
[06:28] <LISP> prova: made me look silly, i deserved it :P
[06:28] <prova> is a common file, you just need to add some line or modify the md5
[06:28] <prova> hehe
[06:28] <mrjive> does anyone know how can i enable postfix to listen to the local network and not only on the localhost?
[06:28] <mrjive> ciao prova
[06:29] <lamont> mrjive: warty or hoary>/
[06:29] <lamont> ?
[06:29] <neighborlee> prova: I dont think ill have 'access' to /etc/password unless I can provide my 'own' password for that file
[06:29] <mrjive> mmm now i'm on hoary but it happens also on warty
[06:29] <lamont> (warty: /etc/postfix/master.cf, search for 127.0.0.1; hoary: main.cf, final line)
[06:30] <LISP> neigh: not so - you'll look at it from another root
[06:30] <devdude> bye sucka
[06:30] <prova> neighborlee, what are you talinkg about? You just have to mount the partition -rw and then modify the file.
[06:30] <devdude> its been real
[06:30] <LISP> neigh: they'll be just other filer
[06:30] <lamont> mrjive: if you installed warty, then you need to do master.cf, you may also need to do main.cf
[06:30] <neighborlee> prova: modify a file that a specifici user 'owns' with a livecd ...your crazy
[06:31] <lamont> mrjive: comment out the inet_interfaces = .... line
[06:31] <neighborlee> prova: that would be secure for linux as a whole how ?LOL
[06:31] <prova> rotfl
[06:32] <yonil> cusco, in alsamixer how can i set something that's off - on ?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> yonil: m is the toggle for mute/unmute
[06:32] <yonil> i can hear sounds but in really really low volume (altough its set to 100%) - any ideas?
[06:32] <neighborlee> net split net split LOL
[06:32] <prova> yonil, alsamixer ?
[06:33] <cmug> ok i got it with sudo passwd ubuntu
[06:33] <mrjive> lamont: and on hoary? now i'm on a hoary machine
[06:33] <synd> xine engine failed to start.
[06:33] <synd> No demuxer found - stream format not recognised.
[06:33] <lamont> neighborlee: if you boot the livecd, open a root term window, mount the file systems, and chroot into the root partition, then you can change the password....
[06:33] <synd> ??
[06:33] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: fact is, anyone with access to the machine can do this anyway
[06:33] <lamont> mrjive: if you upgraded to hoary, then you probably need to edit master.cf
[06:33] <lamont> mrjive: for hoary, main.cf -> comment out inet_interfaces = ...
[06:34] <mrjive> lamont: thanks i'll go and try
[06:34] <lamont> thoreauputic: yep... phyisical access == 0wn3d./
[06:35] <prova> Until you crypt the entire fs
[06:36] <thoreauputic> prova: and make sure you don't talk in your sleep *grin*
[06:37] <yonil> xmms is crashing when i try to play a mp3 file ... any ideas?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> *snore...snore...must remember... root password is...5txP7z1lkdoPhs...*snore*
[06:38] <prova> yonil, any message?
[06:39] <synd> yonil: mine does as well.. it just sits there with the play button pressed in
[06:39] <synd> no message, nothing
[06:39] <yonil> yay fixed!
[06:39] <synd> ?
[06:40] <yonil> just needed to change audio plugin to eAudio
[06:40] <yonil> eSound?*
[06:40] <yonil> without ?
[06:40] <prova> yonil, System->Preference->Multimedia System Selector-><Audio Tab> Choose Output "ESD -Enlightment...."
[06:40] <yonil> prova, hehe just fixed it (found solution here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=105168#post105168)
[06:40] <prova> XMMS   -> Audio Plugin Tab-> Output Plugin Choose "eSound Output
[06:41] <yonil> yes thats what i did, thanks anyway ;)
[06:41] <prova> np.
[06:41] <synd> ahhh mine too !
[06:41] <synd> : )
[06:41] <yonil> :D
[06:42] <synd> are there skins for xmms?
[06:43] <cusco> yep
[06:43] <cusco> apt-cache search xmms
[06:43] <FR500> hello
[06:43] <cusco> apt-cache search xmms skins
[06:44] <FR500> i installed mono from synaptic, but  system.net is not available? any ideas on why?
[06:44] <yonil> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://il.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/il.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) --- ?
[06:45] <zane> i am having sound issues with ubuntu.. anyone knows an easy fix for this? if i play mp3 or mpg file, i can hear but cant hear the system sounds..
[06:45] <cusco> yonil: looks like to me that the il mirror is now working
[06:45] <cusco> yonil: try apt-get update
[06:45] <neighborlee> thoreauputic: can do what
[06:45] <cusco> zane: try alsamixer
[06:46] <prova> hello, i cannot connect using pppoe http://tnet.no/paste/825112610886, could help?
[06:46] <neighborlee> thoreauputic: you can't just hacjk into a linux machine without a password..and trust me mine is NOT going to be easy to crack..I used 'alpha/numeric' so forget it ;-)\
[06:46] <yonil> cusco, weird, few minutes ago apt-get update didnt work :O
[06:46] <yonil> now it worked
[06:46] <cusco> yonil: maybe it was a gap on the il mirror
[06:46] <neighborlee> thoreauputic: not unless the machine isn't 'up2date' ;-))..and mine is baby <G>
[06:47] <zane> cusco how do i switch to alsamixer?
[06:47] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: whatever you say - I told a guy on this chan the other day to start in single mode and reset his root pass and he did it  - your mileage may vary
[06:47] <Jefis> i started apache service, and can anyone tell me why i can't look at my web-pages, while everybody else does?
[06:48] <nxvl> i have just install Ubuntu Warty
[06:48] <nxvl> and i'm tring to update it to Hoary
[06:48] <Listener> does someone know what's the word to launch Adobe reader 7 in the "run application" window?
[06:48] <prova> Jefis, wich error? how are you trying to access your page.
[06:48] <nxvl> is there some way to do it
[06:48] <linuxboy> I upgraded to Hoary from Warty, but if i load synaptic, there are loads of packages under "Installed (local or obsolete)" Cani remove them?
[06:48] <nxvl> y have edit the sources.list
[06:48] <nxvl> and change warty to hoary
[06:48] <Jefis> prova, with firefox
[06:48] <Jefis> ;)
[06:48] <nxvl> but it doesnt work
[06:48] <prova> 127.0.0.1 ?
[06:48] <Jefis> jyes
[06:48] <Jefis> yes
[06:48] <Jefis> localhost
[06:48] <Jefis> and ip
[06:48] <Jefis> doesn't work
[06:48] <prova> 404?
[06:48] <Jefis> no
[06:49] <Jefis> can't connect
[06:49] <prova> error_log?
[06:49] <yonil> any recommender movie players?
[06:49] <Jefis> prova,  http://85.206.99.129/
[06:49] <Jefis> prova, what you see?
[06:49] <Listener> yonil, xine
[06:49] <prova> closed
[06:49] <cusco> zane: I don't really know... try Aplications - Sound & Viudeo - Volume Control
[06:49] <cusco> for your oss mixer
[06:49] <Jefis> prova, <? echo "Closed"; ?>
[06:50] <Jefis> but i can't view that
[06:50] <Jefis> [Mon Apr 11 17:27:43 2005]  [warn]  (101)Network is unreachable: connect to listener <-- what is this?
[06:50] <prova> If you write <? echo "Closed"; ?> i'll see just closed
[06:50] <zane> oh ok
[06:50] <Jefis> yes, but i can't see that :D
[06:50] <prova> iptables -l ?
[06:51] <Jefis> root@localhost:/etc/apache2 # iptables -L
[06:51] <Jefis> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[06:51] <Jefis> target     prot opt source               destination
[06:51] <Jefis> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[06:51] <Jefis> target     prot opt source               destination
[06:51] <Jefis> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[06:51] <Jefis> target     prot opt source               destination
[06:51] <jordanau> Jefis, pastebin.com
[06:51] <ubuntu> Hello once again
[06:51] <plouf> hello
[06:51] <Jefis> sorry :)
[06:51] <ubuntu> I've installed Gnome menu editor, but there's still certain entries I can't remove. Is there a way I can remove them?
[06:51] <plouf> how can i add more rerfesh rates to monitor ?
[06:52] <FR500> has anyone installed mono from repositories?
[06:52] <Listener> Jefis, what are u doing?
[06:52] <FR500> the system.net namespace is not available
[06:52] <jordanau> no sweat everyone wins, its is easier for us to read so you get your question answered faster and nobody gets annoted
[06:52] <jasp> hello ubuntu. i assume you aren't an official representative of canonical
[06:52] <Jefis> Listener, tring to find out what is wrong
[06:52] <ubuntu> jasp, nope, sorry, just have my username as "ubuntu", I should change my name
[06:53] <jasp> ubuntu: not a problem. just wondered
[06:53] <prova> Jefis, can you msg me with the error mozilla give you
[06:53] <Jefis> prova, maybe i use GET 127.0.0.1 ?
[06:53] <Jefis> ;)
[06:53] <Jefis> root@localhost:/etc/apache2 # GET 127.0.0.1
[06:53] <Jefis> 
[06:53] <Jefis> waiting
[06:53] <Jefis> ... :)
[06:54] <prova> k
[06:54] <thoreauputic> jasp: look for the nick sabdfl , he's da man :)
[06:55] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[06:55] <morphx> Hy all :)
[06:55] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody here whether there is a port of Mono for Ubuntu?
[06:55] <morphx> I just download ubuntu, and i find it very good :)
[06:55] <aurax> anyone can help me out in installing xerox phase printer with print server
[06:55] <aurax> please..
[06:55] <subterrific> pmjdebruijn: its in the universe repository, read the wiki
[06:55] <mainer> neighborlee: prova is right,do some reading
[06:55] <morphx> But i have a litle mather with the sound. Does anybody can help me please ? :)
[06:56] <pmjdebruijn> subterrific: ok thanks
[06:56] <dcaba> where ubuntu irc spanish
[06:56] <thoreauputic> dcaba: #ubuntu-es
[06:57] <squishedlizard> I'm new to it myself; I love it so far.
[06:57] <Jefis> why i can't ping myself, i have devices: eth0, and ppp0 ?
[06:57] <squishedlizard> Having some problems though w/ my browser.
[06:57] <dcaba> ok thank you
[06:57] <vessuvius81> I finally got my wireless card up, but it keeps connecting to another wlan in the building... even after I set sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid DOGWHISTLE (my essid)
[06:57] <vessuvius81> anyone know how I can force it to only go to the essid I specify
[06:58] <Jefis> why i can't ping myself, i have devices: eth0, and ppp0 ?
[06:59] <squishedlizard> One of my problems is that my browser, nor gaim, actually do much.
[06:59] <squishedlizard> I clearly have internet though, so...
[06:59] <squishedlizard> *frusterated*
[06:59] <cert> hi people
[06:59] <cert> i am new to ubuntu
[06:59] <vessuvius81> do much?
[06:59] <cert> just curios
[06:59] <dcaba> where irc spanish ubuntu
[07:00] <cert> do you guys know how to set the prefered mirror site to download the package?
[07:01] <Seveas> cert, set it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:01] <cert> thank you :)
[07:02] <squishedlizard> I have a question, and it'd be great if someone could possibly help me.
[07:02] <Echylo> shoot
[07:02] <morphx> Can somebody help me please ? I've no sound, no sound card recognized.Please
[07:02] <jordanau> squishedlizard, what exactly is wrong
[07:02] <blueyed> What do I have to do after putting in a new soundcard (SB Live)? alsamixer still shows only the onboard chip..
[07:02] <squishedlizard> I clearly have internet access, but my mozilla and gaim won't really do anything, they time out every time. Why would this be? It worked yesterday, and I can still ping things.
[07:03] <Seveas> squishedlizard, that is odd
[07:03] <jordanau> blueyed, i have heard something about haveing to disable the onboard first thats all i know though
[07:03] <thoreauputic> morphx: people might need to know what your sound card is and if you are using hoary or warty
[07:03] <Seveas> squishedlizard, are you now at the box that has these problems?
[07:03] <squishedlizard> Yes.
[07:03] <whiteknight> blueyed, turn the onboard off in your bios
[07:03] <pouf> hello ppl
[07:03] <blueyed> jordanau and whiteknight, ok, I'll try (though it should be deactivated automatically).
[07:04] <Seveas> squishedlizard, can you go to ant sites at all? (like google or the ubunt site)
[07:04] <Seveas> any sites, not ant sites :)
[07:04] <pouf> does anyone knows how can i add more refresh rates ?
[07:04] <squishedlizard> google takes me to developer.mozilla.org
[07:04] <squishedlizard> it didn't do that 2 minutes ago.
[07:04] <squishedlizard> This is highly frusterating.
[07:05] <Seveas> squishedlizard, do all sites redirect to dev.moz.org?
[07:06] <squishedlizard> No, just google. No other site will load; they time out.
[07:06] <Seveas> hmm, really odd
[07:06] <Seveas> can you type "dig google.com" in a terminal
[07:06] <Seveas> and see if that times out
[07:06] <medist> hi
[07:06] <dcaba> where irc ubuntu in spanish
[07:06] <thoreauputic> squishedlizard: do you have nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf?
[07:06] <squishedlizard> worked fine.
[07:07] <medist> salut
[07:07] <Jefis> general error: missing L0 device in ifconfig
[07:07] <morphx> thoreauputic, i don't know, i donwload it on ubuntu.com (v 5.04) :) For my sound card it's a : RealTek ALC650 8-channel audio with Intel High Definition Audio CODEC
[07:07] <morphx> Realtek audio CODEC ALC880
[07:07] <thoreauputic> dcaba: I told you,  #ubuntu-es
[07:07] <morphx> :)
[07:07] <medist> mon 1er jour avec linux:)
[07:07] <squishedlizard> lol told e permission denied.
[07:07] <squishedlizard> told me*
[07:07] <medist> un lecteur mp3 sous ubuntu
[07:07] <medist> ?
[07:07] <Seveas> squishedlizard, what does dig say?
[07:07] <dcaba> i cant go ubuntu es
[07:07] <morphx> medist enfin un franais ! :)
[07:07] <Seveas> can you paste the output in a private chat please
[07:08] <FR500> hello, would i brak my package database if i install mono from the .bin installer?
[07:08] <medist> ouf
[07:08] <medist> :)
[07:08] <morphx> lol
[07:08] <morphx> Tu parle pas anglais ?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> medist: #ubuntu-fr
[07:08] <squishedlizard> it got an answer.
[07:08] <dcaba> how conect ubuntu es
[07:08] <medist> non
[07:08] <medist> pas bien
[07:08] <morphx> Tu veut que je traduise ? Je suis pas hyper fort mais on me comprend
[07:08] <Seveas> FR500, not the database itself, but installing it in the normal location will break stuff
[07:08] <Bazzi> coimprende amigo
[07:08] <squishedlizard> 24 seconds.
[07:08] <medist> mon 1er jour sous linux et sous un mac en plus c le paradis:))
[07:08] <Seveas> squishedlizard, what haddens if you go to that IP with mozilla?
[07:09] <morphx> lol j'imagine !!
[07:09] <FR500> Seveas, what can i do?
[07:09] <medist> un lecteur mp3?
[07:09] <Seveas> FR500, i have no idea, never installed mono :)
[07:09] <medist> y'a t 'il?
[07:09] <morphx> Tu en a d'intgr normalement
[07:09] <Seveas> medist, on parle anglais ici!
[07:09] <morphx> Le probleme c'est le codec
[07:09] <cert> thanks!
[07:09] <FR500> what stuff can i break?
[07:09] <cert> see you
[07:09] <morphx> Comme il est pas open source il faut le tlcharger
[07:10] <squishedlizard> it loads google.
[07:10] <Seveas> si vouz voulez parler francais, allez a #ubuntu-fr
[07:10] <InitMass> i don't understand why the "Computer" button icon in nautilus is missing, no matter of which icon theme i'm using
[07:10] <medist> il s'apelle lecteur de musique mais veut pas ouvrir un fichier mp3
[07:10] <thoreauputic> morphx, medist,  #ubuntu-fr, s'il vous plait
[07:10] <morphx> ok merci je savai pas
[07:10] <medist> ah cool
[07:10] <Seveas> squishedlizard, sounds like a dns problem to me
[07:10] <Seveas> 24 seconds is painfully slow
[07:10] <squishedlizard> it is still the only site that it will load.
[07:11] <OC_Aux> seveas :D
[07:11] <Jefis> why i can't ping myself, i have devices: eth0, and ppp0 ? can't ping myself
[07:11] <FR500> Seveas, what stuff can i break?
[07:11] <squishedlizard> everything else will ping, but not load, and I am hoping it's a dns, but it's still annoying.
[07:11] <thoreauputic> squishedlizard:  cat /etc/resolv.conf
[07:12] <FR500> squishedlizard, u have a firewall?
[07:12] <Seveas> hmm, xchat borked...
[07:12] <squishedlizard> no firewall.
[07:12] <squishedlizard> I should have one, I know.
[07:12] <lizdeika> i wonder when breezy will be started ...
[07:12] <Seveas> squishedlizard, have you tried using other DNS servers?
[07:13] <Seveas> lizdeika, at UDU they will discuss Breezy, development will start after UDU iirc
[07:13] <squishedlizard> thor gave me the name server info.
[07:13] <Jefis> general error = can't ping myself :)
[07:13] <Jefis> what to do?
[07:13] <squishedlizard> no, I haven't, actually.
[07:13] <Seveas> Jefis, you mean ping 127.0.0.1 fails?
[07:14] <lizdeika> Seveas: and when that udu ends ? :)
[07:14] <St0n3-C0l> Strange.
[07:14] <Jefis> yes
[07:14] <Zotnix> No need for a firewall by default/.
[07:14] <synd> is there any way to get what song is currently playing in winamp and be able to put it in the gaim status, and have it update automatically?
[07:14] <Seveas> UDU = Ubuntu Down Under, the next conference
[07:14] <thoreauputic> squishedlizard: I just was suggesting you look at that file: you might want to add nameservers to it to test
[07:14] <Jefis> --- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics ---
[07:14] <Jefis> 6 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4998ms
[07:14] <Jefis> you see?
[07:14] <St0n3-C0l> :|
[07:14] <dcaba> i have thi error when install ndiswrapper
[07:14] <dcaba> make -C driver
[07:14] <dcaba> make[1] : Entering directory `/tmp/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[07:14] <dcaba> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/build;
[07:14] <dcaba>   give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[07:14] <dcaba> make[1] : *** [prereq_check]  Error 1
[07:14] <dcaba> make[1] : Leaving directory `/tmp/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[07:14] <dcaba> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[07:15] <Seveas> dcaba, STOP IT
[07:15] <Seveas> no pasting here!
[07:15] <FR500> Seveas, what stuff can i break?
[07:15] <synd> dcaba, no pasting, use #flood
[07:15] <FR500> Seveas, it says all linux distros
[07:15] <synd> is there any way to get what song is currently playing in winamp and be able to put it in the gaim status, and have it update automatically? anyone?
[07:15] <Seveas> squishedlizard: try this: dig @82.148.208.131 ubuntulinux.org
[07:15] <Seveas> it should answer within a few seconds
[07:15] <floater> hello, why can't I find linux-headers for my 2.6.10-2-386 from apt-get ??
[07:16] <Seveas> synd, winamp??
[07:16] <dcaba> how do i use flood
[07:16] <synd> Seveas: i mean xmms :p
[07:16] <Seveas> FR500, just make sure it installs to /usr/local/something
[07:16] <FR500> Seveas, thanks
[07:16] <squishedlizard> 68 msec
[07:16] <Jefis> Seveas, any ideas?
[07:16] <synd> is there any way to get what song is currently playing in *xmms* and be able to put it in the gaim status, and have it update automatically?
[07:16] <synd> :x
[07:16] <Seveas> squishedlizard, yeah, definitely a dns problem
[07:16] <floater> anyone?
[07:16] <Seveas> go kick your ISP
[07:17] <Seveas> :)
[07:17] <squishedlizard> crap
[07:17] <squishedlizard> k
[07:17] <squishedlizard> at least I know where to start.
[07:17] <floater> Why can't I find linux-headers for my 2.6.10-2-386 from apt-get ? Should they be there or what I am doing wrong ?
[07:17] <netgrabber> is there a fixed marillat repository for hoary?
[07:17] <thoreauputic> dcaba: I suggest you type    /join #ubuntu-es
[07:17] <FR500> synd, i think gaim has a plugin for that already in the default install
[07:17] <Seveas> floater, because it's too old
[07:17] <synd> FR500: im not seeing anything..
[07:17] <Seveas> floater, install a more recent kernel
[07:17] <floater> what's a newer version
[07:17] <FR500> hmmm
[07:17] <Seveas> floater, are you on pentium or amd?
[07:17] <floater> amd
[07:17] <synd> hmm
[07:18] <Nigelenki> http://rafb.net/paste/results/2N5zff48.html  :/
[07:18] <floater> but I want 386 rather than k7
[07:18] <Seveas> floater, apt-get install linux-k7
[07:18] <dcaba> don work ubuntu es
[07:18] <Seveas> why?
[07:18] <Nigelenki> hp pavilion zv5405us laptop
[07:18] <Seveas> floater well, then install linux-386
[07:18] <floater> because vmware is having problem to recognize some of it
[07:18] <floater> oh.. just linux-386 I see
[07:18] <dcaba> iwant install my wireless broadcon 4306
[07:19] <thoreauputic> dcaba: yes it does - you left out the  # , didn't you?
[07:19] <FR500> synd, true
[07:19] <orangehaw> same problem as of yesterday: still can't use the 'front panel' with CF, SD, Firewire and so on. I'm not even sure now if its a ich6 problem of some other thingy. Lspci says: 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03) and i think that's the problem...
[07:19] <floater> does that install linux-headers
[07:19] <Seveas> floater, installing the linux-386 package will keep your kernel up-to-date too
[07:19] <FR500> synd, there are on fc3
[07:19] <FR500> sorry for confussion
[07:19] <thoreauputic> dcaba:     --> #ubuntu-es
[07:19] <orangehaw> anyone in here knows how to get ich6 going?
[07:19] <floater> ok
[07:19] <Zotnix> Just a quick question, I'm getting a video card in two weeks... my current rate for my AGP slot is x2. What command (I can read the manpage from here) changes the rate?
[07:19] <synd> FR500: any idea what they are?
[07:19] <floater> thanks, I'll try
[07:19] <FR500> synd, google for gaim plugins or xmms plugins
[07:20] <St0n3-C0l> How Do i configure my samba server ?
[07:20] <Seveas> floater, and the kernel headers are in the packages named linux-headers-something
[07:20] <synd> FR500: thanks
[07:20] <Seveas> floater, that something must match your kernel version exactly
[07:20] <thoreauputic> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:20] <floater> hmm
[07:20] <yoni> how can i set the audio plugin for xine to eSound?
[07:20] <Seveas> thoreauputic, that is `uname -r`
[07:20] <Seveas> :)
[07:21] <thoreauputic> Seveas: no, either works
[07:21] <Seveas> yeah, but mine means less typing :D
[07:21] <thoreauputic> Seveas: in fact $(uname -r) is preferred
[07:21] <dcaba> thank thoreauputic
[07:21] <Seveas> thoreauputic, why's that?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> Seveas: also less chance of people missing the little ``
[07:21] <Jefis> is there smart enought people who can't say why i can't ping myself ???
[07:21] <dcaba> but dont connect
[07:21] <Seveas> he, true :)
[07:22] <thoreauputic> Seveas: easier to read :)
[07:22] <dcaba> ok ready
[07:22] <Seveas> Jefis, i must have missed your response to my question, do you mean ping 127.0.0.1 doesn't work?
[07:22] <Jefis> yes
[07:22] <Jefis> doesn't
[07:22] <Jefis> ping localhost too
[07:22] <Jefis> ping myip too
[07:22] <Seveas> Jefis, is interface lo up?
[07:22] <Jefis> no
[07:22] <Seveas> hmm
[07:23] <Seveas> then lots more should fail
[07:23] <Jefis> only: eth0, ppp0, lo missing
[07:23] <Jefis> he he he
[07:23] <Seveas> and what happens if you try sudo ifup lo
[07:23] <Jefis> ifconfig lo up
[07:23] <Seveas> ?
[07:23] <Jefis> ;D
[07:23] <Jefis> works :)
[07:23] <Seveas> Jefis, check /etc/network/interfaces
[07:24] <Seveas> it should contain a line that says 'auto lo'
[07:24] <Jefis> Seveas, not it works
[07:24] <Seveas> (without '')
[07:24] <dcaba> no body in spanish
[07:24] <Jefis> there is auto lo
[07:24] <cyklus> After upgrading to Hoary from "tpb" no longer works... I checked that the daemon is running and that I have permissions to /dev/nvram  ...anyone have any idea why it might not be working?
[07:24] <Jefis> ;)
[07:24] <Seveas> dcaba, #ubuntu-es?
[07:25] <Seveas> cyklus, what is tpb?
[07:25] <yoni> I think xine crush on me since i didnt set its audio plugin to eSound - how can i set it ?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> dcaba: there are 20 in #ubuntu-es
[07:28] <blueyed> Cool, the SB Live Card was detected and now I can have 2 users access /dev/dsp (STAC9708/11 chip).
[07:29] <banshee_> Err... got a kinda funny question... what is the default root password? There weren't any options to set it, in the installation?
[07:29] <Seveas> banshee_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:29] <_phate_> how do I get programs that don't use esd to produce sound?
[07:29] <Seveas> There Is No Root (tm)
[07:29] <_phate_> the doc here:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, doesn't make sence
[07:29] <_phate_> *sense
[07:29] <holycow> Seveas, lol, love that line
[07:29] <thoreauputic> _phate_: in what way? It made sense to me...
[07:30] <yoni> how can i view hidden windows files ?
[07:30] <banshee_> okay thanks :) That'll take a while to get used to...
[07:30] <Seveas> yoni, by mounting your windows partition?
[07:30] <Seveas> banshee_, you ven set a root password if you want to, but you'll appreciate sudo if you get used to it :)
[07:30] <thoreauputic> yoni: nothing can hide from Linux! *grin*
[07:31] <yoni> Seveas, actually its on a cd, but i cant see a hidden folder :(
[07:31] <ian> when I use the right alt+ctrl keys with arrow keys to move between workspaces the little popup window doesn't go away when I release alt+ctrl (the left ones work correctly)
[07:31] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/Ubuntu-Screenshots/UbuntuHoary-Stable.png
[07:31] <sig> my current shot
[07:31] <Seveas> yoni, hm?
[07:32] <thoreauputic> yoni: try hitting ctrl-h in nautilus (if that's how you are viewing it)
[07:32] <Seveas> cd's aren't fat32
[07:32] <Moof> hi
[07:32] <Seveas> so not windows files :)
[07:32] <thoreauputic> although I can't see why that would make any difference for win files...
[07:32] <Moof> how do I remotely install ubuntu onto a partition on a running linux box?
[07:32] <Seveas> Moof, you can't
[07:33] <langenberg> Moof: you can
[07:33] <langenberg> :P
[07:33] <Seveas> hm?
[07:33] <langenberg> sure
[07:33] <thoreauputic> debootstrap?
[07:33] <Seveas> ah, yeah, not using d-i :)
[07:33] <langenberg> yeah, since it's debian based it is certainly possible
[07:33] <_phate_> thoreauputic, what exactly do I change to get it to work?
[07:33] <Seveas> langenberg, care to share how? (never had to do it, but it's nice to know how)
[07:34] <thoreauputic> _phate_: umm - I just followed the directions
[07:34] <langenberg> Seveas: sorry, I just know that it is possible.
[07:34] <langenberg> I've done it only with gentoo, isn't that hard.
[07:34] <langenberg> create partitions -> move bootstrap files to it and apt -> chroot
[07:35] <langenberg> At least, that makes sense
[07:35] <Seveas> hmm, indeed
[07:35] <krypt0s> is it better to install the grub boot loader thingy to the windows partition or the linux?
[07:35] <_phate_> how do I restart esd?
[07:35] <Seveas> krypt0s, it's best to install it on (hd0)
[07:35] <krypt0s> ok, I've managed to get hold of a laptop so I can get on irc if anything goes wrong
[07:35] <krypt0s> ^^
[07:36] <Olliander> kryptOs: I would place it in the MBR!
[07:36] <cusco> can anyone tell me a light simple program to quick build webpages?
[07:36] <_phate_> cusco
[07:36] <krypt0s> ?? how do I do that Ollilander
[07:36] <zenrox> bluefish
[07:36] <_phate_> nvu
[07:36] <langenberg> Seveas, Moof: http://www.burgettsys.com/stories/59455/
[07:36] <krypt0s> hd0 right?
[07:36] <Olliander> Right.
[07:36] <queuetue> Can you buy an inline adapter to go from SATA to EIDE, or is it more complicated than that?
[07:36] <zenrox> cusco, bluefish
[07:36] <Seveas> langenberg, thnx
[07:36] <ian> cusco: are you named after the peruvian city?
[07:36] <cusco> ian: no :(
[07:36] <cyklus> Seveas: used for IBM thinkpads to do on screen display for volume buttons etc.
[07:36] <AcidWolf> how do i change the system language
[07:36] <thoreauputic> krypt0s: MBR is the default anyway
[07:36] <cusco> thanks zenrox, _phate_
[07:37] <AcidWolf> or can that only be done during the install
[07:37] <gds> Hi... How can I enable dma on cdrom during the boot?
[07:37] <langenberg> Seveas: tho that's debian, I know there's an unbuntu pkg
[07:37] <bretzel> hi all :-)
[07:38] <gds> If I edit /etc/hdparm.conf, it doen'n fint device file (hdb)
[07:38] <AcidWolf> gds nano /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:38] <AcidWolf> that cause hdb isnt the name of your cdrom
[07:38] <langenberg> mm I just got my printer working on ubuntu, now I want to share the printer with my other linux pc. Does anyone know a good way?
[07:38] <AcidWolf> go to system administration and then to device manager
[07:38] <gds> AcidWolf, It doesn't find hdb... but now hdb appears
[07:39] <AcidWolf> check the name of the Device and make sure you have the correct drive destination
[07:39] <AcidWolf> hmmmm odd
[07:39] <langenberg> Is CUPS able to do this?
[07:39] <krypt0s> can anyone point me to a guide on partitioning, I've seen one somewhere but I can't find it. Using partition magic
[07:39] <synd> checking for gaim >= 1.0.0... Package gaim was not found in the pkg-config search path. // Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gaim.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable // No package 'gaim' found // configure: error: Library requirements (gaim >= 1.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[07:39] <synd> anyone have any ideas why?
[07:39] <Olliander> away
[07:40] <seb128> synd: because you don't have gaim-dev
[07:40] <seb128> and that's the file with the pc file
[07:40] <seb128> package even
[07:40] <seb128> you need that to build something
[07:40] <thoreauputic> synd: why are you compiling gaim?
[07:40] <Seveas> AcidWolf, you can change the language after installing
[07:40] <AcidWolf> ok anyway anyone know if i can change my system language without having to reinstall
[07:40] <AcidWolf> :)
[07:40] <synd> seb128: oh, i see. is gaim-dev in the apt?
[07:40] <Seveas> AcidWolf, hang on :)
[07:40] <AcidWolf> how do i do it then
[07:41] <synd> thoreauputic: im not, im trying to install a plugin
[07:41] <seb128> synd: it is
[07:41] <AcidWolf> ok Seveas
[07:41] <AcidWolf> :)
[07:41] <synd> thoreauputic: http://zulutango.org:82/journal/entry/202
[07:41] <Seveas> AcidWolf, you can change /etc/environment
[07:41] <Seveas> set LANG to your language :)
[07:41] <Seveas> like en_US.UTF8
[07:41] <synd> seb: thanks bro
[07:41] <synd> seb128: *
[07:41] <AcidWolf> Seveas does that have to be dont through terminal
[07:42] <seb128> np
[07:42] <Seveas> AcidWolf, make sure you have that locale installed though!
[07:42] <AcidWolf> yeah
[07:42] <Seveas> AcidWolf, use dpkg --reconfigure locales for that
[07:42] <krypt0s> hmm, I have a recovery partition already
[07:42] <AcidWolf> i just installed it from apt now
[07:42] <krypt0s> will that be hd0?
[07:42] <Seveas> you can set the language with that too
[07:42] <Seveas> mut manually tweaking /etc/environment can do more :)
[07:42] <Seveas> s/mut/but
[07:42] <Xebitx> can anyone recommend me an irc client which supports blowfish?
[07:43] <AcidWolf> why would you want encryption for irc
[07:44] <AcidWolf> O_o
[07:44] <synd> Xebitx: xchat doesnt?
[07:44] <morphx> I have  probleme. My soundcard is not detected. I try many opration but the sound don't work anymore. Please help me :/
[07:44] <Seveas> AcidWolf, to be 1337 ;)
[07:44] <AcidWolf> lol
[07:44] <synd> fo sho
[07:44] <AcidWolf> if you leet then you good enough not to get sniffed
[07:44] <AcidWolf> niffty
[07:44] <Seveas> hopelessly much overhead :)
[07:45] <AcidWolf> morphx go to system preferances and then go to prefered media
[07:45] <cisa> is there hardware-raid support for a SIL0680 in the kernel, so that i can install ubuntu on a raid 1?
[07:45] <AcidWolf> check what the sound driver is that you are using
[07:45] <AcidWolf> it should be esd
[07:45] <Xebitx> synd: where do I set the key?
[07:45] <AcidWolf> :)
[07:45] <krypt0s> I have a recovery partition on my drive, will this be hd0 or will the windows partition be hd0?
[07:45] <Seveas> krypt0s, hd0 is the disk
[07:45] <Seveas> not the partition
[07:46] <Seveas> partitions are called hd0,0 and the like
[07:46] <AcidWolf> krypt0s open a terminal and type Cfdisk
[07:46] <AcidWolf> or Fdisk
[07:46] <AcidWolf> and print out the Partition table
[07:46] <krypt0s> haven't got terminal, I'm about to partition on winxp
[07:46] <AcidWolf> this with answer all your questions
[07:46] <AcidWolf> oh
[07:46] <Xebitx> synd: never mind
[07:46] <AcidWolf> well fdisk is a dos utility aswell
[07:46] <Seveas> krypt0s, what are you going to partition it with?
[07:46] <synd> great, new error
[07:46] <krypt0s> Partition Magic
[07:47] <Seveas> krypt0s, that shows the disk layout as well...
[07:47] <AcidWolf> indeed
[07:47] <rijad> how to make tootem play things?
[07:47] <nubbe> How do I limit the read-speed of cds in my dvd-reader?
[07:47] <AcidWolf> lol
[07:47] <Seveas> rijad, hit the play button?
[07:47] <AcidWolf> *giggle*
[07:47] <rijad> gettin errors...
[07:47] <Seveas> like...?
[07:47] <AcidWolf> tootem
[07:47] <rijad> plugin this plugin that
[07:48] <AcidWolf> tell me more about this tootem
[07:48] <krypt0s> hmm, I'm going to use 35gb for Linux, 5gb for swap file and 5gb for datashare
[07:48] <krypt0s> does that sound ok?
[07:48] <Seveas> rijad, the quick'n'dirty solution is installing w32codecs from marillat
[07:48] <Seveas> no
[07:48] <Seveas> 5gb swap is way too much
[07:48] <synd> checking for XMMS - version >= 1.2.8... no //  The xmms-config script installed by XMMS could not be found. // *** If XMMS was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in your path, or set the XMMS_CONFIG environment variable to the full path to xmms-config. // configure: error: *** XMMS >= 1.2.8 not installed - please install first
[07:48] <AcidWolf> very quick and very dirty
[07:48] <krypt0s> 3gb?
[07:48] <synd> i have xmms 1.2.10
[07:48] <rijad> where do i find them
[07:48] <AcidWolf> synd
[07:48] <Seveas> krypt0s, how much ram do you have?
[07:48] <synd> AcidWolf:
[07:49] <krypt0s> 1gb
[07:49] <AcidWolf> try expanding your repositories
[07:49] <AcidWolf> :p
[07:49] <synd> theyre expanded !
[07:49] <_phate_> NTFS in linux is read only right?
[07:49] <synd> how much more could they get
[07:49] <Seveas> krypt0s, then you almost dont need swap
[07:49] <rijad> do you need a swap that big if you have 1gb ram?
[07:49] <Seveas> but 512 mb to 1 gb is enough
[07:49] <synd> _phate_: i believe so
[07:49] <AcidWolf> well actually the amount of expanding is endless
[07:49] <_phate_> dang
[07:49] <AcidWolf> yes
[07:49] <_phate_> it'd be nice to able to copy stuff across
[07:49] <Seveas> _phate_, there are (expensive) commercial tools that can write too
[07:50] <synd> AcidWolf: well its bitching about not having 1.2.8, and i have 1.2.10 :p
[07:50] <Seveas> rijad, a swap file is always good to have
[07:50] <krypt0s> do I need to scan disk before partitioning?
[07:50] <AcidWolf> synd it doesnt matter
[07:50] <Seveas> krypt0s, recommended
[07:50] <Seveas> and defrag too
[07:50] <synd> well what repos do i need ?
[07:50] <AcidWolf> some developers choose to support certain packages
[07:50] <AcidWolf> and some they dont
[07:50] <_phate_> is there away to resize my windows partition so I can have a fat32 shared partition? or is there a ext2/3 driver for windows somewhere?
[07:50] <AcidWolf> so either live without or downgrade
[07:51] <Seveas> _phate_, partition magic can do both ;)
[07:51] <synd> checking for XMMS - version >= 1.2.8... no
[07:52] <yoni> what is the executable extension?
[07:52] <_phate_> umask=0222 means what?
[07:52] <synd> thats greater than or equal to right
[07:52] <synd> 1.2.10 is greater than
[07:52] <tritium> yoni, file types are not determined by extensions
[07:52] <paul__> is there something you have to do to get sound working for programs like rhythmbox or xmms, my sound works in gnome but no music players
[07:52] <synd> paul
[07:52] <yoni> tritium, well i just double clicked a .bin file and it said "rename this file to an executable extension"
[07:53] <paul__> synd ;] 
[07:53] <synd> look in the preferences in xmms
[07:53] <cikilin> hello
[07:53] <_phate_> paul__,  look here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:53] <paul__> ah mp3 i bet right
[07:53] <bur[n] er> anyone use amarok in gnome in ubuntu??
[07:53] <cikilin> can anybody help me to get dcgui-qt and install it please
[07:53] <tritium> yoni, do you have executable permissions on the file?
[07:54] <synd> paul__: audio I/O plugins, and make sure eSound is the Output plugin
[07:54] <paul__> ok
[07:54] <yoni> tritium, yes
[07:54] <queuetue> Any way an op can put RestrictedFormats in the /topic?
[07:54] <synd> paul__: but do what _phate_ suggested first, if you havent
[07:54] <paul__> ok
[07:54] <cikilin> hellooooooooooo
[07:54] <AcidWolf> LANGUAGE="en_AU:en"
[07:54] <AcidWolf> LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
[07:54] <AcidWolf> um
[07:54] <AcidWolf> ok i need to change that
[07:55] <AcidWolf> however im not sure what to do with the whole AU thing
[07:55] <AcidWolf> O_o
[07:55] <FR500> why is that mono-web is not on repos?
[07:55] <yeedl> hi, everytime i try to apt-get, i get this error msg, i was wondering how i could fix it:  Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:55] <yeedl> when i run apt-get update i get apt-get update
[07:55] <yeedl> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages [483kB] 
[07:55] <yeedl> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[07:55] <queuetue> FR500, If you find out, let me know, please. :)
[07:56] <yoni> tritium, nevermind, guess i didnt have :)
[07:56] <tritium> yoni, :)
[07:56] <FR500> queuetue, any place where i can suggest such stuff?
[07:56] <yeedl> is there a way i can get apt-get to work?
[07:56] <nebulasray> why might xmms not output any sound from a cd? i've tried different output plugins but none of them work... the gnome cd player works fine
[07:56] <rijad> is a 2.4GB swap good enough?
[07:56] <yoni> where will be a good location to install software to (realplayer) ?
[07:57] <queuetue> FR500, Mailing lists?  I don't know - I'm not very into the ubuntu community or process.
[07:58] <FR500> ok
[07:58] <cikilin> can anybody help me to get dcgui-qt and install it please
[07:58] <FR500> Seveas, may i install in /opt/mono?
[07:59] <seb__vdn> hi all !
[07:59] <xukun> ist possible to uninstall everything that has anything with nvidia and nvidia drivers?
[08:00] <AcidWolf> sudo dpkp-reconfigure locales <------ apparently im supposed to do this when trying to change laguage
[08:00] <AcidWolf> however i get an error message
[08:00] <queuetue> FR500, What were you responding to there? (I didn't see Seveas respond to you. :) )
[08:00] <tritium> xukun, apt-cache search nvidia, and then install all the packages you'd like that it lists
[08:00] <AcidWolf> anyone know why
[08:00] <Stonekeeper> hi. I'm trying to install ubuntu 5.04 on a Gateway box (GP6-400) with 128M of ram. After loading the initrd it hangs. Any ideas?
[08:00] <_blue> gonna go install ubuntu...w00t, wish me luck....
[08:00] <tritium> xukun, but not all of them will be of use to you
[08:00] <queuetue> _blue, Good luck, but I doubt you'l need it.
[08:01] <queuetue> _blue, Ubuntu is *very* well put together.
[08:01] <FR500> queuetue, from some time ago?
[08:01] <queuetue> FR500, Ah.
[08:02] <Seveas> FR500, /opt/mono should be fine
[08:02] <Seveas> /opt/mono is not used for standard installs
[08:02] <seb__vdn> i was compiled a new kernel on ubutnu for support my capturing device (a pinnacle dc 10) ,but when i want to use xawtv or lavrec command,they said no found signal,and xawtv said : This is xawtv-3.94, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.11.7)
[08:02] <seb__vdn> WARNING: v4l-conf is compiled without DGA support.
[08:02] <seb__vdn> WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual
[08:02] <seb__vdn>          configuration ("v4l-conf -a <addr>")
[08:02] <InitMass> is it possible to have support for both utf8 and iso...-1 so the filenames can be shown correctly no matter of the character set used when the file was created?
[08:03] <FR500> Seveas, even if i do at /usr/local it wont appear on synaptic right? so i may be better of compiling and checkinstall
[08:03] <krypt0s> Do I need to partition a swap file before, as I'm looking in a picture guide and the guy selects "Automatically partition the free space"
[08:03] <seb__vdn> anyone have a suggestion ?
[08:03] <InitMass> bob2, i believe you've got the answer to my questoin above about utf8
[08:04] <Seveas> FR500, i don't know mono, so i can't answer that
[08:05] <FR500> ok
[08:05] <Stonekeeper> so anyone installed ubuntu on systems with <= 128M RAM
[08:05] <Stonekeeper> ?
[08:06] <queuetue> Well, I bit the bullet.  I'm replacing my Duron 800MHZ/256MB system with an Athlon 64 2.2GHZ/2GB SLI system with dual GF 6800 cards...  Now I won't be able to sleep for a week.
[08:06] <Seveas> Stonekeeper, here are attempts documented on the wiki
[08:06] <Seveas> search for miniramhowto (oslt)
[08:06] <Bazzi> queuetue nuts :D
[08:06] <Shufla> hello :)
[08:07] <Seveas> queuetue, nice specs ;)
[08:07] <AcidWolf> locale-genbrb
[08:07] <beanimanius> quick question, has anyone been able to get an Audigy LS to work
[08:07] <Bazzi> well I'll buy some similar pc soon
[08:07] <St0n3-C0l> Shufla
[08:08] <krypt0s> anyone know where it tells you the disk partition like (hd0,0) on partition magic?
[08:08] <SeamusLP> beanimanius: got my Audigy 2 to work
[08:08] <membreya> hey guys, quick question..is it a biggy if I've lost my /var/ directory? :P
[08:08] <Seveas> krypt0s, hd0,0 is simply the first partition on your first disk
[08:08] <St0n3-C0l> ahh...nice name :P
[08:08] <tritium> membreya, yes
[08:08] <queuetue> Seveas, I hope it's impressive.  Well, I *know* it'l be impressive - I hope it's 1,000USD impressive. :)
[08:08] <beanimanius> SeamusLP, does the Audigy 2 have an on-board mixer?
[08:08] <pseudo> forums just go down?
[08:08] <membreya> tritium: how much of a biggy? :P
[08:08] <Seveas> krypt0s, so probalby it's C:\
[08:09] <Bazzi> queuetue more like $1500 isnt it?
[08:09] <cikilin> anybody home
[08:09] <Seveas> membreya, losing /var/ usually means reinstall
[08:09] <SeamusLP> beanimanius: I think so
[08:09] <membreya> crud!
[08:09] <Shufla> St0n3-C0l: yes?
[08:09] <membreya> i did a sudo rm -rf /var/local/tv_grab_au/
[08:09] <membreya> and it removed my var :|
[08:09] <Seveas> hmm
[08:09] <darkpeter> hi
[08:09] <krypt0s> but I've got a Recovery partition (15gb Fat32) and a Windows partition (NTFS) so I'm wondering which one is Hd(0,0) seveas
[08:09] <darkpeter> i need help :s
[08:10] <beanimanius> SeamusLP, the LS doesn't, it depends on the processor to do the work, linux has a problem with this
[08:10] <membreya> krypt0s: do a sudo fdisk -l
[08:10] <tritium> membreya, that wouldn't remove /var
[08:10] <Shufla> membreya: impossibile.
[08:10] <SeamusLP> pseudo: sacrifice three virgins on the first full moon of each year
[08:10] <krypt0s> membreya, don't have linux (yet ;p)
[08:10] <Anders1> membreya: that wouldnt remove /var
[08:10] <pseudo> SeamusLP, did that already, didn't work
[08:10] <Seveas> membreya, maybe you typed /var,local/something :)
[08:10] <Stonekeeper> Seveas, Thanks. Where is the wiki? :)
[08:10] <InitMass> seems like many people wont get the help they need here. i can recommend them to search in ubuntuforums.org
[08:10] <Seveas> Stonekeeper, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[08:11] <Seveas> InitMass, what?
[08:11] <neighborlee> while I can't prove it..I'm positive I was typing my password corrrectly but it wasn't letting me in..now I reboot..try again and boom it lets me in..what could cause this and is this indication I should reinstall ?LOL
[08:11] <SeamusLP> pseudo:  What problems are you having with it?  esd locking in the sound device?
[08:11] <Seveas> there's a lot of help here...
[08:11] <Seveas> neighborlee, get some coffee :o)
[08:11] <pseudo> basically, I can't get flash sound and others to work while esd is running
[08:11] <InitMass> Seveas, saw many people asking things that's why i pointed them to that url
[08:11] <neighborlee> Seveas, haha
[08:11] <pseudo> but I don't want to loose system souns and esd
[08:11] <neighborlee> Seveas, I know it sounds whack but its true
[08:11] <pseudo> seeming I use totem alot
[08:11] <SeamusLP> pseudo: Had that problem as well, tried to change firefox to esd and it failed miserably
[08:12] <pseudo> is there a way to link the output?
[08:12] <Grim76_Work> Question on Crontab:  I have an item that is set like the following * 2,4,6,8,10 * * * * /XXXXX  However, the entry seems to run every second vs. ever two hours.
[08:12] <membreya> Seveas, Anders1 ... I figured out what happened, I went back to kde to get the directory..when I went back to konsole I typed in the directory and it overwrote what I had..or so it seemed :| now what's happened is it's sudo rm -rf /var/local/tv_grab_au/udo rm -rf /var/
[08:12] <membreya> piss nuts!
[08:12] <SeamusLP> pseudo what do you mean by link the output?
[08:12] <Seveas> Grim76_Work, first of all, it should run every minute, not second
[08:13] <krypt0s> is it pretty safe to assume that the order of the list in partition magic is the order of the partitions (hd0,0) is the first one and (hd0,1) is the second one
[08:13] <stacey> whereis a good repos for "whois" for Warty?
[08:13] <membreya> krypt0s: that's right
[08:13] <krypt0s> because it doesn't say (hd0,0) it just lists them
[08:13] <pseudo> like get both soun systems to share the common dsp?
[08:13] <Grim76_Work> Seveas sorry it is every minute...misread the output in mail.
[08:13] <AcidWolf> well i guess i got my language working
[08:13] <AcidWolf> :)
[08:13] <membreya> krypt0s: hd0 = your first harddrive
[08:13] <Seveas> stacey, whois is in main
[08:13] <Seveas> and even installed by default
[08:13] <membreya> the number after it is the partition
[08:14] <Seveas> Grim76_Work, you shouldn't have the  first asterisk
[08:14] <Seveas> Grim76_Work, how often do you want it to run, every two minutes?
[08:14] <membreya> ok, well if I do a reinstall, and I backup /usr /bin /home /etc
[08:14] <membreya> will that put everything how it was?
[08:14] <SeamusLP> pseudo: I wish I knew of a way.  My solution was to ditch esd completely.  I configured totem to use alsa.  As far as getting your gnome sounds to go through alsa, I'm not so sure you can do that without some really dirty hacks.
[08:14] <Grim76_Work> Seveas I would like it to run every 2 hours
[08:15] <Seveas> Grim76_Work:
[08:15] <pseudo> SeamusLP, thanks
[08:15] <Seveas> * */2 * * * /your/command
[08:15] <pseudo> SeamusLP, also, with the latest updates, seen any breaking of stuff nike muine and rhythmbox?
[08:15] <SeamusLP> pseudo: I don't use rhythmbox...
[08:15] <zemantic> THANK YOU! To all the people who made hoary possible.  I've gotten that old time Linux religeon back again
[08:15] <krypt0s> I know hd0= my hard drive, it's just that I don't know whether hd0,0= my recovery partition or my windows partition membreya
[08:16] <Seveas> Grim76_Work, sorry, mistake
[08:16] <davix> If I apt-get install xqf (game server browser) where does it save its config files?
[08:16] <pseudo> will miune play mp3's? I've only gotten it to work with oggs
[08:16] <Grim76_Work> Seveas ok
[08:16] <Seveas> Grim76_Work, use 0 */2 * * *
[08:16] <Seveas> 0 for on minute 0
[08:16] <Seveas> */2 for every 2 hours
[08:16] <Grim76_Work> ok
[08:16] <krypt0s> ack, there must be an install guide somewhere?
[08:16] <Stonekeeper> cheers
[08:16] <Grim76_Work> Good thing I came here the entries that I found on the web were having me do it a different way.
[08:16] <SeamusLP> pseudo: well by default hoary comes with non-proprietary formats.  Maybe if you look around in universe and multiverse?
[08:17] <Choubaka> libmadsomething
[08:17] <Choubaka> that's needed for mp3s
[08:17] <Seveas> gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:17] <Seveas> (or w32codecs)
[08:17] <SeamusLP> Yeah that's it.
[08:17] <pseudo> SeamusLP, thanks
[08:18] <SeamusLP> pseudo if you want to keep using esd try to find a way to get firefox to use it
[08:18] <SeamusLP> if you can do that you'll be set
[08:18] <elekrtolyytti> What was the name of the gnome app what checks pop3 mail?
[08:18] <Seveas> elekrtolyytti, evolution?
[08:19] <paulfox> anyone know how to use the smbclient tool?
[08:19] <membreya> elekrtolyytti: thunderbird? evolution?
[08:19] <Seveas> elekrtolyytti, there is a gnome applet too
[08:19] <membreya> paulfox: what's wrong ?
[08:19] <dcraven> elekrtolyytti, you might be thinking of mail-notification
[08:20] <paulfox> membreya, i've added a samba share with the ubuntu tool, but can't see it via nautilus in my network place.
[08:20] <davix> If I apt-get install xqf (game server browser) where does it save its config files? again...
[08:20] <dcraven> or gbiff
[08:20] <membreya> paulfox: can people on the network see it ?
[08:20] <paulfox> membreya, i'm wondering if it's posible to see it with samba tools
[08:20] <Seveas> davix, ~/.xqf maybe?
[08:20] <paulfox> membreya, no. they can see my hostname, but not the shared folder
[08:21] <elekrtolyytti> dcraven: ty
[08:21] <cas> Hi everyone!
[08:21] <krypt0s> do I need to partition my swap file or does ubuntu do it automatically. Also do I just like the format as free for the linux and swapfile?
[08:21] <zAo^> anyone know where to get libCurl3 <7.13 thanks!
[08:21] <pseudo> SeamusLP, Actually fixed it ... I when to the multimedia selector in System preferences, and changed it to esd, now everyhting uses esd ...
[08:22] <dcraven> davix, it's in ~/.qf
[08:22] <dcraven> brb
[08:22] <davix> dcraven, it's not there
[08:22] <Ironfrost> krypt0s - the Ubuntu installer will partition the drive for you
[08:22] <cas> I've a problem with two of my hoary machines, the problem is simple: They wont upgrade. Is there a known bug like this, i'm searching for it but didn't find anything (yet).
[08:22] <davix> where can it be otherwise?
[08:22] <Ironfrost> but if you want to dual-boot, it's probably better to partition the drive before you start
[08:23] <Ironfrost> because apparently some people have had problems
[08:23] <SeamusLP> pseudo even firefox?
[08:23] <drspin> for some reason, since I upgraded to Hoary... Sound Recorder no longer works... the MIC is unmuted on both the OSS and ALSA mixers
[08:23] <pseudo> I'm testing now
[08:23] <krypt0s> Thanks Ironfrost, yeah I've read about lots of problems and am pretty anxious :/. Just gotta make 38gb partition along with a 2gb swapfile
[08:23] <pseudo> yep
[08:23] <pseudo> weird.
[08:23] <Choubaka> 2gb swap? :o
[08:24] <SeamusLP> huh, I always tried to change it in its config file
[08:24] <SeamusLP> in etc
[08:24] <Choubaka> Where do you need that much?
[08:24] <SeamusLP> never worked for me!
[08:24] <Choubaka> :)
[08:24] <Xebitx> I need a gui ftp client that supports ssl... which one is best?
[08:24] <membreya> gah, that freaked me out, my kde locked... so I just tried to restart kdm...then I had to mkdir /var/ /var/run/ /var/log/
[08:24] <membreya> sheesh!
[08:24] <jordanau> krypt0s, 2gb?? is that a normal size for a swap??
[08:24] <Choubaka> no. :p
[08:24] <krypt0s> Jordanau, nah but I'll just keep it a round number
[08:24] <Choubaka> krypt0s: how much ram do you have?
[08:24] <jordanau> krypt0s, how much ram do you have?
[08:24] <krypt0s> lol
[08:24] <Choubaka> :DD
[08:24] <jordanau> Choubaka, haha
[08:24] <krypt0s> 1gb...I know
[08:25] <krypt0s> a lot
[08:25] <Choubaka> hah
[08:25] <krypt0s> 1gb swap then?
[08:25] <Choubaka> Disable swap altogether
[08:25] <Choubaka> You don't need it.
[08:25] <jordanau> krypt0s, you dont need much
[08:25] <Listener> what's the command line to install a .deb package?
[08:25] <Choubaka> dpkg -i
[08:25] <membreya> Listener: sudo dpkg -i (debname)
[08:25] <krypt0s> ok, I'm going to partition, you just partition the section to "Free" right?
[08:25] <Listener> thanks membreya
[08:26] <Choubaka> jordanau: how much of that swap is in use? :p
[08:26] <stacey_> Seveas: Get:1 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main whois 4.7.1 [41.1kB] 
[08:26] <stacey_> Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main whois 4.7.1
[08:26] <stacey_>   Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP: 208.185.25.35 21] 
[08:26] <jordanau> Choubaka, no clue
[08:26] <jordanau> :D
[08:26] <Choubaka> run "top" in a terminal
[08:26] <jordanau> krypt0s, free means there is no partition i think
[08:26] <Choubaka> krypt0s: don't create a swap partition.
[08:26] <tritium> If you want to hibernate, be sure to have at least the same size swap as you have memory
[08:26] <Choubaka> If you need swap, you can always create a file to swap to
[08:27] <Choubaka> Ah, right, hibernation.
[08:27] <jordanau> krypt0s, make a ext 3 partition of /
[08:27] <drspin> so anyone know why I can't record fro my MIC anymore like I used to???
[08:27] <jordanau> krypt0s, and that should do it
[08:27] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:28] <krypt0s> so it partition magic I make a ext 3 partition?
[08:28] <krypt0s> I thought ubuntu did that jordanau
[08:28] <tritium> krypt0s, is this a laptop?
[08:28] <jordanau> it depends is the entire hard drive free?
[08:28] <pere> are there repositories where I can find OpenOffice 2.0 Beta?
[08:29] <tritium> pere, apt-get install openoffice.org2
[08:29] <krypt0s> no the entire hard drive isn't free
[08:29] <krypt0s> I'm going to run dual boot
[08:29] <jordanau> tritium, is oofice 2 stable enough to run?
[08:29] <tritium> pere, it's in universe
[08:29] <tritium> jordanau, don't know - I don't use it
[08:29] <jordanau> okay then you will have to do some partitioning on your own with the ubuntu install
[08:30] <jordanau> tritium, i think i am going to wait a while, i am a college student and pretty buttons isnt worth a crash
[08:30] <pere> im using oo2-beta under Windows and find it fantastic
[08:30] <Choubaka> oo uses a shitload of RAM though :(
[08:30] <tritium> pere, as long as you have the universe repo setup, you can grab it, then
[08:30] <Anders1> is universe like experimental in Debian?
[08:30] <jordanau> krypt0s, when you partition, make a partition that is ext3 and / you will understand when it comes time to install
[08:31] <tritium> jordanau, I opened up a word doc with a table in oo-2, and it didn't read the table correctly, whereas 1.1.3 did
[08:31] <_blue> ubuntu uses ext3 by default right?
[08:31] <jordanau> Somebody really should write a partitioning HOWTO
[08:31] <jordanau> yeah
[08:31] <Shufla> _blue: yes.
[08:31] <tritium> Anders1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[08:31] <_blue> good, ill try reiserfs when i move from the test box ubuntu install to the new box
[08:32] <fgx> anyboby here having probs with gdesklets in hoary?
[08:32] <tritium> reiserfs - my worst filesystem corruption experience ever
[08:32] <_blue> tritium: i hear good things about it....
[08:32] <jordanau> tritium, little advice, when you have a class presentation in front of a bunch of engineering students, don't make your slide show in oofice then convert to microsoft powerpoint without checking over it :D
[08:32] <Zotnix> I never had problems with reiserfs
[08:32] <Xeon3D> fgx: yup... we're on the same boat... but I'm still running RC.
[08:33] <tritium> jordanau, yeah, I use latex-beamer for that ;)
[08:33] <tritium> _blue, go for it, if you trust it... ;)
[08:33] <_blue> i TRUST ext3
[08:33] <fgx> Xeon3D, i cant load any gdesklet but daemon is on. is it the same for you?
[08:33] <krypt0s> jordanau, is there an Installing howto ??
[08:33] <akk> jordanau: That seems to be true even with powerpoint.  80% of PP presentations I see involve cursing over features that don't work in the expected way on the computer used for the presentation.
[08:33] <_blue> never had one problem with it...and never had one problem with mandrake for that matter
[08:33] <_blue> so if ubuntu gives me one problem :P
[08:34] <_blue> heh
[08:35] <Xeon3D> fgx, yup
[08:35] <dcaba> i have amd 64 bit and i wnat install ndiswrapper where find
[08:35] <Xeon3D> fgx, but I don't really care about gdesklets tho... it's just eyecandy and my ubuntu system is already preety as it is.
[08:36] <Xebitx> any use pftp-mew?
[08:36] <whiskers> ok...this is nice...i see today ubuntu made the helix player available with the free theora format
[08:36] <Xebitx> anyone*
[08:36] <membreya> lo thoreauputic :P
[08:37] <whiskers> so now we have ogg and theora implemented and don't have to step on anybodys toes
[08:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: hi :)
[08:37] <jordanau> akk, slideshow presentations should be more "tightly" created and converted better
[08:37] <whiskers> also there is flac and maybe jack (i am not sure about the jack stuff) but anyway the basics are covered.
[08:38] <jordanau> jordanau, less room for error
[08:38] <fgx> Xeon3D, that's true
[08:38] <jordanau> akk, there should me an html type language for slideshows
[08:38] <membreya> thoreauputic: see my recent post on the mailing list :P
[08:38] <GhostFreeman> why does KDE sideways look like a smiley
[08:38] <thoreauputic> membreya: you hosed your system *again* ? :P
[08:39] <membreya> :P
[08:39] <krypt0s> 4000mb=40gb right?
[08:39] <membreya> wasnt my fault
[08:39] <GhostFreeman> kryptos: metrically, yes
[08:39] <thoreauputic> membreya: that's what they all say .... ;P
[08:39] <akk> jordanau: There are several packages.  I use mozilla when I need a slideshow package.
[08:39] <membreya> technically krypt0s 4gb = 4096 mb
[08:39] <GhostFreeman> really, its 4096
[08:39] <jordanau> krischan, no 4000 = 4
[08:39] <GhostFreeman> In metrics
[08:39] <GhostFreeman> in*
[08:39] <krypt0s> I create all partitions primary right?
[08:40] <membreya> 4000 is if you believe harddrive manufacturers
[08:40] <tritium> krypt0s, if you have 4 or less
[08:40] <akk> jordanau: I don't know of any packages that do whizzy rotating effects from one slide to the next, like powerpoint people seem to love so much, but of course it's possible with css.
[08:40] <krypt0s> I will have 5 be the end?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> membreya: if you will insist on using bloated buggy terminal emulators .... ;-)
[08:40] <membreya> :P
[08:40] <jordanau> akk, effects are unprofessional anyway
[08:40] <membreya> hmmmm i think it's entirely possibly to recover from this error
[08:40] <tritium> jordanau, latex-beamer is the only thing for quality mathematical typesetting :)
[08:40] <membreya> just need to recreate the directories
[08:41] <krypt0s> tritium, I will have 5 by the end. 1) Windows Recovery 2) Linux 3) Linux Swap 4) Datashare between Linux and Windows (FAT32)
[08:41] <thoreauputic> membreya: apt-get install magic-wand
[08:41] <krypt0s> tritium, does that effect whether I make them all primary?
[08:41] <devscott> I'm having trouble with NFS in Hoary. Every time I try to write to the directory I get a permission denied error:
[08:41] <ells> tritium: what is up Mike
[08:41] <tritium> krypt0s, you can't have 5 primary partitions...You'll have to make 1 extended
[08:41] <GhostFreeman> oh crap
[08:41] <devscott> exports is     /stor 192.168.1.11(rw,sync)
[08:41] <ells> does anyone know how to compress and iso
[08:42] <tritium> ells, not much.  You?
[08:42] <ells> an iso
[08:42] <GhostFreeman> what package do I remove to get all this bloated shit KDE installed
[08:42] <devscott> but it won't let me write
[08:42] <ells> tritium: not alot
[08:42] <krypt0s> tritium, extended? which one do you reccomend I do this with?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: kdebase perhaps?
[08:42] <mainer> kryptos: good alternative is to dwnld and burn mandrake move just for disk-drake partitoner for emergencys,it's a live cd
[08:42] <devscott> any suggestions?
[08:43] <cas> krypt0s: 1+2:windows 3: datashare 4: secondary :5linux 6:swap
[08:43] <jordanau> devscott, what is nfs?
[08:43] <mainer> kryptos: i like cfdisk for qick,down n dirty
[08:43] <membreya> thoreauputic: personally I blame this channel, noone told me how to use DD yesterday when I wanted to do a backup :P
[08:43] <cas> jordanau: network file system
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> would removing kde-core work as well?
[08:43] <tritium> krypt0s, cas's suggestion looks fine
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> do I need that to run Kubuntu
[08:43] <thoreauputic> jordanau: network file system
[08:43] <jordanau> ahhh thanks
[08:43] <devscott> jordanau: Network File Systems
[08:44] <krypt0s> In Partition magic it doesn't have an option of secondary it has an option of "logical" is that ok?
[08:44] <knudsen_> Hello. After installing the final version of Hoary, sound in totem has disappeared. It still works fine in xmms. Any ideas about what could be wrong?
[08:44] <tritium> yes
[08:44] <mainer> ghostfreeman:yes kde-core is needed for kde
[08:44] <GhostFreeman> oh shit
[08:44] <devscott> I followed the wiki pages but just can't write to the folder
[08:44] <GhostFreeman> reinstalling
[08:44] <cas> krypt0s: i was wrong it's logical
[08:44] <drspin> ok searching the WIKI didn't turn up much -- GOOGLING didn't turn up much -- why won't Sound Recorder work on Hoary when it worked just fine on Warty?
[08:44] <krypt0s> actually save the fuss, I just won't use a swap
[08:44] <devscott> UID's match, Permissions match
[08:44] <tritium> krypt0s, is it a laptop?
[08:44] <krypt0s> tritium, no
[08:44] <cas> drspin: could be several things
[08:44] <thoreauputic> membreya: dd == damned dangerous
[08:45] <jordanau> drspin, did you check alsa mixer?
[08:45] <tritium> krypt0s, okay, without it you wouldn't be able to hibernate
[08:45] <root__> 5~
[08:45] <membreya> thoreauputic: noone can recommend a good mirroring software package
[08:45] <thoreauputic> membreya: but useful
[08:45] <root__> exit
[08:45] <drspin> cas jordanau yes... both alsa and oss have the microphone unmuted
[08:45] <GhostFreeman> anyways
[08:45] <thoreauputic> membreya: what;s wrong with rsync?
[08:45] <membreya> nfi how to use it
[08:45] <GhostFreeman> what do I remove to get all the K~ software off my Linux
[08:45] <membreya> I just wanted to burn a DVD backup of my install
[08:45] <thoreauputic> ah
[08:46] <cas> drspin: does your recorderlevelmonitors show anything?
[08:46] <dcraven> Holy crap.. I have three of everything in my menu all of a sudden.. lol
[08:46] <whiskers> membreya, well you need a live boot cd with pcopy or partimage on it
[08:46] <drspin> cas - nope
[08:46] <krypt0s> do I want linux ext2 or linux ext 3 for my linux partition?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> membreya: can't you tar and feather your stuff and burn it to the DVD ?
[08:46] <membreya> feather? :|
[08:46] <jordanau> krypt0s, 3
[08:46] <membreya> lol
[08:46] <drspin> cas: but I can hear the sound from the mic on my speaks...
[08:46] <thoreauputic> membreya: you know what I mean...
[08:46] <whiskers> membreya, now i have one with partimage but i don't have one with pcopy to compare
[08:47] <dockane> i am thinkin
[08:47] <membreya> i have partimage installed
[08:47] <cas> drspin: sorry to ask, but did you double check your cables/microphone?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> membreya: tar and feather it and run it out of town on a rail
[08:47] <membreya> lol
[08:47] <whiskers> membreya, no...you don't install it....there is no point trying to back up a live partition...you use a separate live boot cd with partimage and clone the inactive partitions
[08:47] <dcaba> someboby know install ndiswrapper en amd 64 bit
[08:47] <membreya> oooooh :)
[08:47] <membreya> again ..nobody told me :P
[08:48] <whiskers> membreya, but i would like to compare partimage with pcopy
[08:48] <cas> drspin: you can try to put your microphone in the audioout to hear if it works (unless your speakers aren't working too ;)
[08:48] <ogami1972> anythoughts on how to test a fresh install?
[08:48] <tritium> ells, what kind of data is in the .iso?
[08:48] <jordanau> ogami1972, test?
[08:48] <ogami1972> just general benchmarking
[08:48] <drspin> cas: no worries - as I said... everything works... I can hear my "test, test" coming into the headphones...
[08:49] <jordanau> fglrx gears but it isnt a real benchmark
[08:50] <dockane> i am thinking of building a new home server (old one is gone due to hd crash). is there a any package that makes a scanner and a printer attached to a server a copystation ?
[08:50] <drspin> cas -- I had no trouble in warty with recording... just since I updated to Hoary
[08:50] <holycow> dockane, lol, i love that idea
[08:50] <cas> drspin: and can you record from the PCM?
[08:50] <holycow> dockane, not that i know of, but, that IS the right way to do it
[08:50] <drspin> cas: ??
[08:50] <dcraven> Killing gnome-panel worked.
[08:50] <cas> drspin: e.g. record a playing wav/mp3 file
[08:51] <Ex-Cyber> dockane: what would the UI be?
[08:51] <ogami1972> p.s. don't ask in ubuntuforums- they think they're funny
[08:51] <drspin> cas: ??
[08:51] <socomm> Web forums are for lusers.
[08:51] <socomm> Which reminds me, I need to go post this goatse.cx link to linuxhelp.org.
[08:52] <cas> drspin: pls explain me what part you don't understand, "??" don't help me understanding you
[08:52] <SeamusLP> ogami1972: you can use hdparm to test your harddrive and cdrom transfer speeds
[08:52] <whiskers> well i may have spoken too soon...it looks like helix player is not working to well on this sample theora file
[08:52] <whiskers> but totem theora support does play it
[08:52] <drspin> cas: even if I could it would produce nothing but feedback... (assuming you mean putting the MIC up to the speakers and pressing record)
[08:52] <xukun> what is the version of ubuntu called? warty hoary and ?
[08:52] <schasi> thats it
[08:52] <dockane> EX-Cyber: perfectly it would be the only built-in button my scanner got (epson perfection 3200). pushed one time = one copy
[08:52] <socomm> whiskers: totem-xine
[08:52] <schasi> isnt it?
[08:52] <whiskers> socomm, no..just totem-ogg-theora
[08:52] <pere> tritium: oo2 installed perfectly. Thanks!
[08:53] <whiskers> socomm, the last i saw xine was for playing proprietary stuff
[08:53] <socomm> whiskers: totem is alot better with the xine backend.
[08:53] <socomm> gstreamer == poop
[08:53] <ogami1972> next question- has anyone found a player for .nsv streams?
[08:53] <cas> drspin: no i mean you record a wave file
[08:53] <whiskers> socomm, well i am sure...but we cannot use it in the US
[08:53] <drspin> gstreamer doesn't read about 90% of my mp3 files properly...
[08:54] <whiskers> socomm, of course elsewhere it may be legal..i don't know
[08:54] <dcaba> i want install a bcm 4306 broadcom wirless in amd 64 bit
[08:54] <socomm> whiskers: Only illegal if you get caught.
[08:54] <cas> drspin: play and record, if that works it means your recorder properly works and the problem would be in the volume
[08:54] <SeamusLP> drspin: Did you get gstreamer-mad from the universe/mltiverse repository?
[08:54] <dockane> EX-Cyber: are these device buttons known to work under linux ?
[08:54] <thoreauputic> whiskers: xine plays "Free" formats too, as far as I know
[08:54] <drspin> SeamusLP: yes...
[08:54] <meuserj|work> socomm, gstreamer works great if you have the right plugins.. particularly the ffmpeg plugin, then you can decode pretty much any mpeg4 movie
[08:55] <membreya> jesus life is hard without /var/ :P
[08:55] <membreya> slowly rebuilding it
[08:55] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well it probably does...but we can't install it in the US because of its proprietary stuff
[08:55] <drspin> cas: for some reason Sound Recorder will not "hear" anything... but I can hear it just fine thru the headphones...
[08:55] <whiskers> thoreauputic, but the totem theora player is playing a free sample theora file nicely with sound and video...ok maybe not as good as the proprietary stuff but still fun
[08:56] <batoms> when can we expect the repositories for the next version to open
[08:56] <whiskers> thoreauputic, now i don't know why helix player doesn't work
[08:56] <GhostFreeman> how do I defrag my HDD in Linux
[08:56] <cas> drspin: the new volume has a mute and a record mute
[08:57] <SeamusLP> GhostFreeman: linux does it for you in the background
[08:57] <drspin> cas: ifI tap on the mix I hear it in my headphones... both are unmuted and the VOL is all the way up...
[08:57] <GhostFreeman> oh, really?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I don't think there's anything proprietary about xine - the codecs are, some of them (w32codecs) I guess
[08:57] <drspin> cas: mix = mic
[08:57] <cas> drspin: maybe the record mute is off (in alsa OR OSS)
[08:57] <GhostFreeman> bitchin
[08:57] <drspin> cas: both are unmuted in both also and os
[08:57] <drspin> s
[08:57] <SeamusLP> Yep.  Seems like every OS has that now but windows.
[08:57] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well people who paid for windows can use it since they paid for the w32codecs....but uh ubuntu people don't pay for anything so they should not use it in the US
[08:58] <thoreauputic> whiskers: where did you get your theora sample? I haven't found any yet
[08:58] <GhostFreeman> here 100 bucks they put it in Longhorn
[08:58] <drspin> uh -- I paid for a windows license when I purchased my computer -- I have every right to use the codecs...
[08:58] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well i can email it to you if you would like to see it
[08:58] <cas> drspin: sorry i really dunno what is wrong then, maybe you can find another record tool in apt-get
[08:58] <thoreauputic> whiskers: well, quite a few ubuntu users have winXP or whatever
[08:58] <SeamusLP> GhostFreeman:  They'd better, they're way behind!
[08:58] <thoreauputic> whiskers: if it isn't large - I'm on dialup here
[08:58] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well if they paid...then the proprietary developers get their money and they are happy
[08:59] <whiskers> thoreauputic, not too large about 9 megs
[08:59] <stacey_> drspin: you want aRTs
[08:59] <whiskers> thoreauputic, but very useful for testing
[08:59] <drspin> stacey_: EW -- ??/
[08:59] <drspin> stacey_: I don't use KDE --
[08:59] <thoreauputic> whiskers: can you put it on a server? like your website?
[09:00] <whiskers> thoreauputic, i don't want a web site...i am sick of paying DNS registration fees of $30/yr....but i can email it to you or find some p2p app to make it available to you
[09:00] <membreya> hah...didn't see this one coming, is there any way to rebuild the information for apt on the packages installed? :P
[09:00] <meuserj|work> membreya, what do you mean?
[09:00] <thoreauputic> whiskers: or email it - I'll msg you my gmail address
[09:01] <whiskers> thoreauputic, ok give me your email addr in a PM and i will email it to you
[09:01] <membreya> meuserj|work: I trashed my /var/ directory..now apt has no recollection of what I have installed ;)
[09:01] <thoreauputic> whiskers: thanks
[09:01] <SeamusLP> How the hell did you "trash" your var directory?
[09:01] <membreya> SeamusLP: typo :P
[09:01] <SeamusLP> lol
[09:01] <meuserj|work> membreya, ouch... since the apt DB is in /var, I don't see any solution....
[09:02] <membreya> even sudo is too dangerous for me :(
[09:02] <drspin> is there a way to prevent iptabled from logging to dmesg?
[09:02] <drspin> *iptables?
[09:02] <SeamusLP> membreya: Had a friend do something similar once.  He recursively chmodded his system to read only on accident
[09:02] <membreya> owwie
[09:02] <membreya> someone wanna send me a du -h in a text file from their /var/ directory? :P
[09:03] <meuserj|work> drspin, yes.. there is a way to do it by modifying your syslog settings.. I don't know exactly how to do that, but that should get you started....
[09:04] <Anders1> membreya: you should do a new install
[09:04] <Anders1> ;|
[09:04] <membreya> Anders1: I don't wanna :'(
[09:04] <membreya> everything is how I want it
[09:04] <membreya> less the /var/ dir :P
[09:04] <Anders1> you have no choice really :p
[09:04] <Anders1> well, you can let it be, but how fun is that
[09:04] <drspin> meuserj|work: thanks :)
[09:04] <membreya> Anders1: I can refuse to reboot :P
[09:05] <SeamusLP> membreya:  Unless you like running without package management, I recommend a reinstall
[09:05] <meuserj|work> membreya, and never upgrade...
[09:05] <thoreauputic> whiskers: you got the address?
[09:06] <membreya> I suppose, I'm taking the next two days off :P
[09:06] <membreya> hmmm where are the kde settings kept though ? :P
[09:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: ~/.kde  ?
[09:07] <Xebitx> How do I assign a key to a command in xchat?
[09:07] <membreya> i dont wannaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :(
[09:07] <membreya> ok, well what's the best way to archive my /home and /etc directory? doing a cp -a?
[09:07] <membreya> cp -Ra * ?
[09:08] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: settings -> lists -> keybindings ?
[09:08] <Xebitx> ok
[09:08] <SeamusLP> membreya: use tar
[09:08] <Anders1> membreya: tar cfvz /home /home.tar.gz maybe?
[09:08] <xukun> I,m going to ask this again hoping that one day something wonderfull will hapen and that somebody will see what the solution is: after Install the nvidia driver this what my screen looks like. Please take a look help me if you can: http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~ahassan/photo/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=0&pos=-14
[09:08] <ells> tritium: Mike, I finally found a website that addresses my dvd issue
[09:08] <meuserj|work> membreya, I prefer rsync -a
[09:08] <thoreauputic> or user defined commands or something...
[09:08] <meuserj|work> membreya, that way if you have to cancel it, you can resume it easily
[09:08] <ells> tritium: http://www.riskable.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=12
[09:08] <whiskers> thoreauputic, i don't know what is wrong with email...it has quit working today...it will not send
[09:09] <GhostFreeman> can I donate money to the project
[09:09] <membreya> meuserj|work: isn't rsync only for networks though?
[09:09] <whiskers> thoreauputic, i am not sure what is going on...but perhaps i can seed the file on bittorrent...i am just not sure how to do that
[09:09] <meuserj|work> nope.. it will work from hd to hd too
[09:09] <thoreauputic> whiskers: ah well - never mind : did you download the file from some URL you can give me?
[09:09] <whiskers> thoreauputic, i don't remember the url but i can give you the filename and maybe google can find it for you
[09:10] <SeamusLP> GhostFreeman:  MAybe there's a paypal link somewhere on http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[09:10] <thoreauputic> whiskers: OK
[09:10] <spiffy> hello, Ive used the gnome 2.10 livecd, which ive been told is based off of the ubuntu live cd. I was wondering what method was used so that apt-get etc all work?
[09:10] <whiskers> thoreauputic, it is called a_new_computer.ogg
[09:10] <thoreauputic> OK I'll google for it - thanks :)
[09:11] <whiskers> thoreauputic, if i can find a way to get this stuff working i will email it to you but i have not changed anything...so something else must be going on
[09:11] <mainer> spiffy:problu unionfs
[09:12] <thoreauputic> whiskers: this looks promising >> www.polycrystal.org/lego/movies/a_new_computer.ogg
[09:12] <membreya> meuserj|work: so I just need to rsync -av /src/foo /dest ?
[09:12] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> is there any diff othere than kde 3.4 in kubuntu vs unbuntu ?
[09:12] <spiffy> mainer: Thats what im thinking but i read a /. post that seemed to hint otherwise. Reliable source of information I know.
[09:13] <kdp> hahahaha /.
[09:13] <kdp> nice
[09:13] <spiffy> ;-)
[09:13] <kdp> never seen that b4
[09:13] <membreya> well meuserj|work rsync -av /home /media/downloads seems to have worked :)
[09:13] <thoreauputic> whiskers: file size looks right (9.3MB) but it firefox claims it's an audio file... seems unlikely
[09:14] <spiffy> haha you've been on the net for how long and have never seen slashdot written like that?
[09:14] <kdp> im not a big slashdot person
[09:14] <spiffy> I envy you
[09:14] <spiffy> lol
[09:15] <xukun> where can I write a bug report?
[09:15] <whiskers> thoreauputic, no it is a theora file
[09:15] <drspin> Is firestarter run as a daemon by default in ubuntu or do I need to have the application open?
[09:15] <yoni> how do i restart the x server?
[09:15] <membreya> ok /home and /etc are both backed up now :)
[09:15] <ogami1972> ctrl-alt-blspace
[09:16] <membreya> yoni: ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:16] <yoni> thanks
[09:16] <thoreauputic> whiskers: so .ogg is the wrapper ( as in ogg vorbis ) ?
[09:16] <membreya> thoreauputic: anything else you think that I should backup?
[09:16] <SeamusLP> xukun: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[09:16] <xukun> SeamusLP, thx
[09:16] <thoreauputic> membreya: I haven't been following the rescue operation, sorry
[09:17] <membreya> lol thoreauputic well I've rsync -av /etc & /home /media/downloads
[09:17] <thoreauputic> membreya: you are backing up /home and /etc I suppose?
[09:17] <membreya> that's the one's thoreauputic I hate not having my config files
[09:18] <membreya> and unlike last time..this time ALL my /home dir is backed up :P
[09:18] <thoreauputic> membreya: yeah :(
[09:18] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> test
[09:18] <thoreauputic> jolly good show
[09:18] <membreya> maybe that's what I should do this time, once I've reinstalled..establish a daily cron to rsyn my drive :P
[09:18] <kdp> man that lego movie mustve taken FOREVER TO MAKE
[09:18] <thoreauputic> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: yes, you exist
[09:19] <membreya> what the ..kubuntu doesn't have an install DVD >:(
[09:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> lol was starting to wonder if i did :}
[09:20] <mainer> membreya: i've tried both,and found(for me anyway) that ubuntu5.04 with kde3.4 as a post-install addition is much better,more complete out of box(so to speak)
[09:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> anyone using `kubuntu-5.04
[09:21] <thoreauputic> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: you can write a paper on the metaphysics and epistomology of IRC
[09:21] <membreya> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: I am
[09:21] <membreya> mainer: how so ? :|
[09:21] <deFrysk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, most of #kubuntu do
[09:21] <thoreauputic> *epistemology
[09:21] <holycow> *bink*
[09:21] <Kenneth2> Does a default installation of Ubuntu contain DVD support?
[09:21] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> deFrysk didnt ask for that
[09:21] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> just asked in gen
[09:21] <holycow> i think i just fused my pareital lobes
[09:22] <mainer> membreya:in layman's terms:).Knyaptic is a very lame pkg. manager and Kubuntu doesn't have all that many apps by default
[09:22] <holycow> thoreauputic, please stop using big words around here
[09:22] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> and didnt know there was a channel for it
[09:22] <holycow> its hard on those of us not as smartest as you
[09:22] <holycow> -_-
[09:22] <deFrysk> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, now you do ;)
[09:22] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> what ever
[09:22] <membreya> holycow: if you truly want to confuse thoreauputic and present him with a conundrum, use the word soap
[09:23] <thoreauputic> holycow: I fail to comprehend the difficulties you have with my bombastic phraseology ;-)
[09:23] <holycow> membreya, rofl
[09:23] <holycow> :D
[09:23] <thoreauputic> membreya: or " shower" ;-)
[09:23] <membreya> or shave
[09:23] <membreya> or haircut
[09:23] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> deFrysk i ahvent been in this channel long dont need you to be a ass about it
[09:23] <membreya> should I cessate? :P
[09:23] <mainer> thoreauputic: i find it rather "theraputic",:))
[09:24] <ncp> is mp3 support removed as default i ubuntu?
[09:24] <LinuxJones> ncp, yeah
[09:24] <thoreauputic> membreya: It's against my religion to kill the bacteria that live on my body ;-)
[09:24] <LinuxJones> ncp, it's easy to get support back tho
[09:24] <Bazzi> lets say its not added by default
[09:24] <membreya> pacifist thoreauputic :P
[09:24] <LinuxJones> ncp, www.ubuntuguide.org or you can search the website for restricted formats
[09:24] <membreya> you should know thoreauputic, that we're humans..we're the planet earth's greatest parasite :P
[09:25] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/
[09:25] <ncp> linuxboy, thnx
[09:25] <LinuxJones> ncp, have fun :)
[09:25] <ncp> :P
[09:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have an interest in all types of bug ....
[09:26] <thoreauputic> membreya: including humans ;-)
[09:26] <Bazzi> sig: :O!
[09:26] <sig> :)
[09:26] <Bazzi> looks...cool
[09:27] <linuxboy> i upgraded to hoary, but i now have python 2.3 and python 2.4.... can i remove python2.3?
[09:27] <membreya> where the hell are all install DVDs!
[09:28] <mainer> linuxboy: you can,but some apps might need backwards-compatibilty
[09:29] <cas> My ubuntu distributions won't upgrade anymore. One of my boxes stopped two weeks ago with it and now another has the same problem. No errors it just sais that everything is up2date :C
[09:29] <membreya> so ...there's NO install DVDs for hoary final? :|
[09:29] <linuxboy> mainer: there are alot of packages in the obsolete thing in synaptic.... what can I remove ?
[09:29] <PacoBCN> membreya, yes, I've seen the image to download
[09:30] <thoreauputic> kdp: cruel, cruel
[09:30] <cas> membreya: AFAIK there are only snapshots
[09:30] <kdp> mwahahahahahaha
[09:30] <mainer> linuxboy: it should be o.k. to delete,yes
[09:30] <PacoBCN> membreya, is this what you're looking for? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[09:30] <linuxboy> mainer: all of it?
[09:31] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[09:31] <membreya> ta PacoBCN ...no direct link = confused Adam
[09:31] <mainer> if it says obsolete,i would think so,but i'm just an intermediate user,no guru
[09:31] <kdp> hehehehehhehehe
[09:31] <PacoBCN> membreya, what do you mean by no direct link?
[09:31] <PacoBCN> membreya, I see 20 links :D
[09:32] <membreya> lol PacoBCN, I meant from the ubuntu page
[09:32] <Jefis> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match myunning kernel?
[09:32] <membreya> what...50kB/s
[09:32] <ells> tritium: Mike you there
[09:32] <membreya> no wait
[09:32] <r11r> How is 5.04 working on ppc, say, an ibook 500 mhz?
[09:32] <membreya> 100 now
[09:32] <membreya> :P
[09:32] <PacoBCN> membreya, because it's only for a selected elite :)
[09:32] <ogami1972> am looking for a way to play .nsv streams?
[09:32] <spiffy> hello, Ive used the gnome 2.10 livecd, which ive been told is based off of the ubuntu live cd. I was wondering what method was used so that apt-get etc all work? After booting the cd, I dont think its unionfs
[09:32] <PacoBCN> membreya, don't tell anyone about it!!!
[09:32] <PacoBCN> :D
[09:32] <mainer> jefis: synaptic search should tell you
[09:33] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: watch out - synaptic thinks things you installed separately are obsolete too (eg. compiled with checkinstall/ third party)
[09:33] <cas> what has the DVD version more to offer (exept the live edition)
[09:33] <_-InMa-_> hola!
[09:33] <membreya> I see there's breezy directories being created :D
[09:33] <membreya> cas: DVD has all the packages, so you don't need to spend 1/2 an hour updating your system
[09:33] <_-InMa-_> hola PacoBCN, yo soy Inma VLC
[09:33] <_-InMa-_> xD
[09:33] <holycow> Jefis, you installed the kernel headers correct?  should be /usr/src once installed
[09:33] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, encantado :)
[09:33] <Jefis> how to install then, give me apt-get cmd
[09:33] <cas> membreya: I see
[09:34] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: yeah, i wont uninstall those. I upgraded from warty to hoary... but i wondering if a re-install would be a better idea... what do you think?
[09:34] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, eres desarrolladora de VLC?
[09:34] <spanglesontoast> if I'm using apache2 are apache1 modules are backwards compatible?
[09:34] <Jefis> i found
[09:34] <_-InMa-_> PacoBCN, no. No tinc temps
[09:34] <_-InMa-_> sc de l'associaci de linux d'Albacete
[09:34] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, no parlo catal :(
[09:34] <holycow> Jefis, search first apt-get search kernel headers
[09:34] <weird_bird> quit
[09:34] <holycow> then apt-get install the right package
[09:35] <_-InMa-_> PacoBCN,oh lo siento:P. no, no tengo tiempo. Soy de la asociacin de linux Albacete.
[09:35] <_-InMa-_> yt?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: it depends how far you veered from the straight and narrow, and where those things were installed - eg /usr/local or /opt should be safe, backports aren't
[09:35] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, s, lo hablo pero no lo escribo, quiero decir
[09:35] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, mucho tiempo con Linux?
[09:36] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, con Ubuntu, quiero decir
[09:36] <thoreauputic> guys, English please or go to your own channel
[09:36] <_-InMa-_> ubuntu para 64bits desde navidad
[09:36] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: i havnt veered much, just wondering if a 'fresh start' would be any good?
[09:36] <_-InMa-_> t eres desarrollador?
[09:36] <imperfect-> Is there any performance increase w/ x86_64 ?
[09:36] <SpaceNuts> has anyone got any of those translations working?
[09:37] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, programador, pero de php, soy un simple usuario entusiasmado de Ubuntu que ya ha hecho que 10 personas se pasasen a Linux desde Win :D
[09:37] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: up to you - lots of people do a dist-upgrade to hoary without issues
[09:37] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, es mi pequea cruzada
[09:37] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, desde que warty era beta
[09:37] <SpaceNuts> I get an error when after login, and the System default (English) is loaded
[09:38] <_-InMa-_> PacoBCN, xDD yo estoy por cambiarme al nuevo ubuntu con entorno kde. El actual q tengo no me gusta mucho.
[09:39] <_-InMa-_> Cuando quieras, estas invitado a las jornadas de linux de Castilla la Mancha, son para diciembre.
[09:39] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, raro que prefieras kde a gnome
[09:39] <thoreauputic> please, people - speak your own language in your own channel: here it's a form of spamming for those who don't know your language
[09:39] <PacoBCN> _-InMa-_, gracias por la invitacin, pero poco tendra para aportar a las jornadas.
[09:39] <mainer> jefis:installing via synaptic is easiest way
[09:39] <mainer> from the repository,unless you compiled from source then use dpkg
[09:39] <mainer> dpkg --help
[09:39] <_-InMa-_> no importa, son gratuitas y puedes ir de participante slo para aprender
[09:39] <ogami1972> por favor, no espanol aqui- tu vas a #ubuntu-es
[09:40] <LinuxJones> #ubuntu-es please guys :D
[09:41] <_-InMa-_> lo siento ogami1972
[09:41] <_-InMa-_> sorry. ogami1972
[09:41] <SpaceNuts> anyone got the translations working?
[09:41] <ogami1972> :)
[09:41] <membreya> damnit thoreauputic I don't wanna reinstall.. I got 5 days of uptime :P
[09:41] <SpaceNuts> the packages distributed trough Synaptic don't seem to work
[09:42] <SpaceNuts> membreya: hehe, going for Guiness book?
[09:42] <knucks> anyone here use an ipod on ubuntu hoary?
[09:42] <raynaldinho> hello everybody
[09:42] <thoreauputic>  05:42:07 up 15 days, 22:11,  2 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.17, 0.20
[09:42] <membreya> SpaceNuts: ...on my computer..yes :P
[09:42] <knucks> ipod anyone?
[09:42] <SpaceNuts> membreya: hehe, what where you thinking?
[09:42] <SpaceNuts> knuck: sorry not me
[09:43] <membreya> thoreauputic: 05:43:03 up 4 days, 20:13,  0 users,  load average: 0.27, 0.59, 0.62   <---take that..0 users
[09:43] <knucks> :(
[09:43] <synd> ok, i installed the gaim-guifications plugin for gaim (thru synaptic) and its not showing up in gaim?
[09:43] <synd> any ida?
[09:43] <knucks> for somereason it loads as readonly
[09:43] <synd> idea
[09:43] <membreya> SpaceNuts: too many years of MS drilling into me to reboot daily :P
[09:43] <SpaceNuts> synd, not working, or not in plugin part in gaim settings?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, you don't count - a wise computer indeed ;)
[09:43] <ogami1972> i was going to ask if anyone had used any mp3 player- i assumed an ipoo would not work] 
[09:43] <SpaceNuts> membraya: haha, yeah I know what you mean
[09:43] <synd> SpaceNuts: it's not in the plugin part
[09:43] <knucks> ogami1972: mine worked for the past month
[09:44] <PacoBCN> ogami1972, sure, I use my Archos Gmini
[09:44] <SpaceNuts> synd: let me try it here
[09:44] <knucks> but just a couple of days ago something got screwed up
[09:44] <SpaceNuts> had anyone of you got translation working?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[09:44] <synd> SpaceNuts: its in the apt, just fyi
[09:44] <ogami1972> google "typing tutor" while you are at it
[09:45] <thoreauputic> ogami1972: yeah, i need one of those :)
[09:45] <knucks> ok so ipod mounts @ /media/IPOD
[09:45] <knucks> how do i make a link to that folder in /home?
[09:45] <SpaceNuts> synd: I am going to download guification right now
[09:46] <SpaceNuts> synd: gimme 5 mins
[09:46] <synd> SpaceNuts: ok
[09:47] <membreya> damn mirror for ubuntu in australia being down ....downloading an ISO @ 130kB/s should be illegal :(
[09:47] <ErikHK> :P
[09:47] <synd> membreya: you think thats too slow?
[09:47] <knucks> how do i give rights to user "knucks" on a folder "music" ?
[09:47] <membreya> synd: yes, if the aussie mirror was up I would be getting 700kB/s +
[09:48] <synd> membreya: christ
[09:48] <ErikHK> how do i compile the ISA-drivers cs423x included in the latest alsa-driver release?? Ive asked in #alsa, but no answer :(
[09:48] <knucks> anyone
[09:48] <SpaceNuts> membreya: University connection?
[09:48] <synd> membreya: what kind of network are you on?
[09:48] <knucks> ?
[09:48] <membreya> just cable
[09:48] <membreya> but it's speed is uncapped
[09:48] <crimsun> ErikHK: you don't need to, they're already there.
[09:48] <knucks> help
[09:48] <SpaceNuts> knucks: change ownership or change rights?
[09:48] <synd> damn
[09:48] <membreya> so there's potential for the full 35mbs
[09:48] <crimsun> ErikHK: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 isapnp=0
[09:48] <knucks> um
[09:48] <knucks> ownership
[09:48] <synd> i get around 170kbs
[09:48] <synd> but im in the states
[09:48] <synd> so :p
[09:49] <SpaceNuts> knucks: chown knucks.knucks /mnt/music -R
[09:49] <knucks> whats the /mnt for?
[09:49] <SpaceNuts> knucks: chown user.group yourmusicdir -R
[09:49] <ErikHK> crimsun, trying now
[09:49] <knucks> is
[09:49] <blackfeet> hi
[09:49] <knucks> root.roor a usergroup?
[09:49] <thoreauputic> hmm theora is nice quality....
[09:49] <knucks> root.root*
[09:49] <SpaceNuts> knucks: replace /mnt/music with the appropriate location for your music dir
[09:50] <ogami1972> is waiting
[09:50] <membreya> nite people
[09:50] <SpaceNuts> bye
[09:50] <membreya> friggin..reinstall kubuntu tomorrow
[09:50] <ogami1972> bye
[09:50] <membreya> when I wake up
[09:50] <ErikHK> crimsun; FATAL error, no such device :(
[09:50] <ogami1972> hahaha- sleep well
[09:50] <crimsun> ErikHK: it is enabled in bios?
[09:50] <SpaceNuts> knucks: is it working?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> nite membreyazZz
[09:50] <crimsun> ErikHK: is PnP _disabled_ in bios?
[09:50] <ErikHK> the soundcard?
[09:50] <falcon3> i need to reinstall my windowsXP, what should i need to do for ubuntu to still work ?
[09:50] <crimsun> ErikHK: yes
[09:51] <membreyazZz> falcon3: get rid of windows
[09:51] <blackfeet> can anybody tell me why since hoary is released no updates are available. Is there a new one with new mirrors?
[09:51] <knucks> i think so..
[09:51] <knucks> how do i create a sym link to /media/IPOD ?
[09:51] <ErikHK> hmm, don't really now, it's a lousy Dell bios
[09:51] <ErikHK> can check...
[09:51] <blackfeet> ln -s /media/IPOD mylinkname
[09:51] <falcon3> i need to reinstall my windowsXP, what should i need to do for ubuntu to still work ? what membreyazZz is not helping
[09:51] <SpaceNuts> knucks: ln -s /media/IPOD /mnt/whateveryoulike
[09:51] <synd> SpaceNuts: did you see if guifications worked? i might have missed if you said anything
[09:52] <SpaceNuts> knucks: heh too late, blackfeet already said it
[09:52] <SpaceNuts> synd: just entering my account settings
[09:52] <SpaceNuts> synd: 1 min
[09:52] <pseudo> My apt seems to be bjorked, I get the following when trying to install.uninstall anything: unable to open files list file for package `kdebase-data': Input/output error
[09:52] <pseudo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:52] <crimsun> ErikHK: please reboot using the acpi_irq_isa=7 boot parameter
[09:52] <pseudo> What does kdebase have to do with apt?
[09:52] <whiskey_1> thoreauputic, does xine play the file
[09:52] <ErikHK> crimsun, will you still be here if I reboot? :D:D
[09:52] <crimsun> ErikHK: I'll be here for a few more minutes
[09:53] <knucks> argh whys my ipod showing up as read only
[09:53] <ErikHK> why reboot with that?
[09:53] <crimsun> ErikHK: certain Dells have problematic bioses
[09:53] <ErikHK> oh
[09:53] <SpaceNuts> synd: I have it in the list
[09:53] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: yup - really well :)
[09:53] <n4cht> ok.. i'm getting pissed now.  has anyone had a problem with certain mp3 files playing, and others not?   i know it's not a problem with the files themselves, because they play fine in every other distro on my box..
[09:53] <ErikHK> bbl
[09:53] <falcon3> i need to reinstall my windowsXP, what should i need to do for ubuntu to still work ?
[09:53] <SpaceNuts> synd: I am using Hoary, when I click Plugins in the Preferences screen, I get the guification plugin
[09:54] <ogami1972> i have had that happen
[09:54] <crimsun> n4cht: in what application(s) are they not playing?
[09:54] <synd> SpaceNuts: hmm.
[09:54] <|QuaD-_> n4cht: can't say i have, you using gstreamer or xine
[09:54] <n4cht> crimsun, xmms
[09:54] <synd> SpaceNuts: what version game?
[09:54] <whiskey_1> thoreauputic, well that is nice to know.....so you are lucky your laws let you play commercial and free codecs....but we have to be happy with the free ones here...but they are not so bad
[09:54] <ogami1972> files that would play on winamp, but not on xmms
[09:54] <synd> SpaceNuts: gaim*
[09:54] <crimsun> n4cht: try totem or vlc
[09:54] <SpaceNuts> synd: ah 1.1.4, you got the newest I assume
[09:54] <SpaceNuts> synd: I just used the default isntalled with Hoary
[09:54] <n4cht> i can't stand totem.  :|
[09:55] <crimsun> n4cht: try it for debugging purposes.
[09:55] <n4cht> ik
[09:55] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: this is the first theora file I've seen - it's impressive: the quality is very good
[09:55] <blackfeet> nobody knows if there are new mirrors?
[09:55] <falcon3> Could anyone plz be helpful to tell me what actions i need to take before a windows installation to make sure my LINUX still works !
[09:56] <SpaceNuts> blackfeet: you need a mirror for what?
[09:56] <n4cht> crimsun, no decoders found to handle the stream.
[09:56] <n4cht> so sayeth totem.
[09:56] <camcorder> is there a way to make system sounds to use alsa, instead of damn esound?
[09:56] <crimsun> n4cht: install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[09:56] <crimsun> camcorder: select alsasink in System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector
[09:56] <mainer> falcon3: read the grub manual and ubuntuguide,ubuntu wiki resources
[09:56] <crimsun> camcorder: then uncheck the "Enable sound server startup" option in System>Preferences>Sound
[09:56] <blackfeet> SpaceNuts: i worried cause since the realease of hoary, no updates are available, so i wondered if there is a knew project running on, wich uses new mirrors
[09:57] <falcon3> mainer: in other words, you dont know
[09:57] <yoni> is there a way to view all the games available for ubuntu in the normal packages?
[09:57] <camcorder> crimson: but then it closes all sounds on events
[09:57] <crimsun> yoni: packages.ubuntu.com
[09:57] <crimsun> camcorder: come again?
[09:57] <camcorder> crimsun: come again?
[09:57] <sig> falcon3: one sec I will getg you the link
[09:57] <camcorder> crimsun:what does that mean?
[09:57] <crimsun> camcorder: rephrase it
[09:57] <blackfeet> falcon3: that's not that easy cause windows overrides the boot sector by default, and so you will not be able to boot your linux
[09:58] <jordanau> krypt0s, how is insatllation coming along
[09:58] <falcon3> blackfeet: that being my problem :)
[09:58] <camcorder> crimsun: well i have already have my gstreamer-properties to use Alsa, even though source part is not working, it's working for other apps, w/ my dmix setup
[09:58] <krypt0s> installed jordanau :D
[09:58] <blackfeet> falcon3: but after windows installation, you can boot up with the livecd and install grub
[09:58] <ogami1972> what is the best kernel for an amdk6?
[09:58] <n4cht> holy sheeeeeit.
[09:58] <n4cht> crimsun...
[09:58] <crimsun> camcorder: you can't use dmix for _source_
[09:58] <camcorder> crimsun: now i want application start sounds, or click sounds on web items to use
[09:58] <n4cht> i swear.. i'm going to hump you.
[09:58] <falcon3> blackfeet: dont have a live cd
[09:58] <camcorder> crimsun: for source?
[09:58] <crimsun> camcorder: you have to use dsnoop
[09:59] <camcorder> crimsun: nah i know that
[09:59] <etzerd> hello all you good people
[09:59] <etzerd> I need a hint
[09:59] <camcorder> crimsun: well it's not problem , i don't need source that bad
[09:59] <etzerd> how can I install Mplayer?
[09:59] <blackfeet> falcon3: mh, .. i don't know if its possible to say your windows installer not to override the bootsector
[09:59] <krypt0s> anyone had any experience setting up eagle usb??
[09:59] <camcorder> crimsun: but how can i make other sonds to work w/o esd?
[09:59] <crimsun> etzerd: enable the multiverse and universe repositories
[09:59] <membreya> ffs
[09:59] <n4cht> now, if i could just figure out how to get that same decoder working for xmms
[09:59] <membreya> can't sleep
[09:59] <membreya> want to reinstall NOW :P
[10:00] <blackfeet> falcon3: i havn't yet done, but you can try to find a manual for manupulating boot.ini
[10:00] <crimsun> camcorder: configure them all to use alsa
[10:00] <camcorder> crimsun: i made esd not to respawn, but then after any alsa sound, other event sounds goes
[10:00] <etzerd> I did
[10:00] <whiskey_1> thoreauputic, well it is just the beginning of a new computer system built on free software
[10:00] <camcorder> crimsun: well i'm wondering how i can do that ;P gstreamer-properties is enough?
[10:00] <ogami1972> rock membreya!!
[10:00] <n4cht> hm.  apparently i already have xmms-mad installed.  :|
[10:00] <crimsun> etzerd: then install the appropriate mplayer package for your arch. What cpu do you have?
[10:00] <jordanau> krypt0s, good feeling huh? i advise you read "introduction to linux"
[10:00] <whiskey_1> thoreauputic, not as nice as commecial but nevertheless very very useful
[10:00] <etzerd> intel P4
[10:00] <crimsun> camcorder: no, you need to configure each _app_
[10:00] <ells> tritium: Mike you there
[10:00] <crimsun> etzerd: install mplayer-586
[10:01] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: it would indeed be nice if everyone used ogg vorbis and ogg theora :)
[10:01] <camcorder> crimsun: each app? you mean gnome-panel, firefox etc. etc.?
[10:01] <krypt0s> yeah I think so too :p gotta link?
[10:01] <crimsun> camcorder: xmms, xine-based ones, etc. Yes.
[10:01] <camcorder> crimsun: every gnome app uses gstreamer as a sound backend though
[10:01] <whiskey_1> thoreauputic, well there are theora rippers so it is not inconceivable
[10:01] <etzerd> ok crimsun let me try that I'll brb
[10:01] <falcon3> sig ?
[10:01] <camcorder> crimsuN: no they are nto problem, i have already set them up
[10:01] <n4cht> ok, next question:  why is it that gstreamer-mad allows totem to play all mp3s, yet xmms-mad doesn't do the same for xmms?  they're both using mad.
[10:01] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: I think both compete very favourably with the proprietary formats I've seen so far
[10:01] <jordanau> krypt0s, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/
[10:01] <camcorder> crimsun: my problem w/ the menu open click soudn for example, or application start sound
[10:01] <krypt0s> I really want to set up my internet but I don't understand the instructions on installing the drivers :(
[10:01] <camcorder> crimsuN :i can't make the mwork w/ alsa
[10:02] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: and heard for that matter
[10:02] <crimsun> camcorder: not every gnome app. totem-xine is a gnome app but uses the xine backend that is independent of gst.
[10:02] <aliasd> heyas
[10:02] <camcorder> and really don't want to dig sources
[10:02] <jordanau> krypt0s, what is your connection type?
[10:02] <krypt0s> adsl
[10:02] <krypt0s> it's supported
[10:02] <aliasd> i installed ubuntu just then on a working wd hdd, an 80gb
[10:02] <krypt0s> by eagle-usb
[10:02] <aliasd> and immediately it stopped autodetecting
[10:02] <jordanau> krypt0s, is that the modem i guess?
[10:02] <SpaceNuts> anyone got other languages working?
[10:02] <crimsun> camcorder: did you redefine pcm.!default?
[10:02] <krypt0s> Yeah
[10:02] <falcon3> How do i make a boot disk ? on a fwoppy :)
[10:02] <etzerd> crimsum: I have this error " Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[10:02] <etzerd> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[10:02] <etzerd> "
[10:02] <camcorder> crimsun: of coures
[10:03] <SeamusLP> aliasd:  The BIOS doesn't recognize it?
[10:03] <n4cht> OOOOHN!  GOT IT!  In addition to the MAD problem, permissions weren't set on the mp3s.
[10:03] <n4cht> hotness.
[10:03] <jordanau> if you had a router, your work would be over...
[10:03] <crimsun> camcorder: then you should be fine.
[10:03] <aliasd> SeamusLP, correct
[10:03] <camcorder> crimsun: well i got 'every other app' work great. just that menu open, applicaiton start sounds
[10:03] <SeamusLP> That's far too low-level for ubuntu to have had any effect, I'm pretty sure
[10:03] <aliasd> you would think so... but it worked before, doesnt now
[10:03] <SeamusLP> You may want to check to see if your hard-drive is spinning up at all
[10:03] <thoreauputic> falcon3: mkboot is the command you want I think
[10:04] <aliasd> it is
[10:04] <camcorder> crimsun: well problem is kind of that. when i disable starting sound server (esd) from sound configuration, it does not play sounds, even though there's a sound backend
[10:04] <imperfect-> sometimes i lay my Hard drive on my lap
[10:04] <imperfect-> and let it vibrate on my peni...
[10:04] <imperfect-> you know what
[10:04] <imperfect-> nevermind
[10:04] <imperfect-> that's too personal
[10:04] <aliasd> umm...
[10:04] <imperfect-> ;)
[10:04] <aliasd> anyway...
[10:04] <camcorder> crimsun: that really seemsl ike a bug, or indeed, gnome should get rid of stupid esd dependency
[10:04] <SeamusLP> imperfect: attempting to help others with their ubuntu problems.  Stop.
[10:04] <imperfect-> SeamusLP : using ubuntu for sexual gratification is .... very human ;)
[10:04] <jordanau> krypt0s, have you downloaded the necessary files from synaptic?
[10:05] <wfx> hi
[10:05] <falcon3> thoreauputic: it says about LILO, but i believe i have GRUB
[10:05] <camcorder> i wish ubuntu has choosed alsa as default sound system, instead of oss
[10:05] <imperfect-> Anyone know why they moved to GRUB?
[10:05] <camcorder> and unfortunately esd for sound deamon, igghh
[10:05] <crimsun> camcorder: ubuntu _does_ use alsa.
[10:05] <SeamusLP> aliasd:  Can you access the drive in any other OS?
[10:05] <bigredradio>  Anyone know of a way to get the properties of a mounted reiser filesystem? Mainly the block size, journal device, journal size, etc?
[10:05] <camcorder> crimsun: i know it uses, but it also uses , oss emulation w/o any reason
[10:05] <crimsun> camcorder: alsa's oss emulation->esd->$app
[10:06] <thoreauputic> falcon3: as far as I know, it makes a boot disk : lilo should work OK for that
[10:06] <AilleantSian> i was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem i am having with installation of a device i have
[10:06] <membreya> what's the command to check the syslog?
[10:06] <crimsun> camcorder: no, there's a perfectly valid reason oss emulation is used. Certain sound cards have broken "default" definitions. Using oss emulation works around that.
[10:06] <thoreauputic> falcon3: I assume it writes lilo to the floppy
[10:06] <wfx> why does a "echo 256 > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc! not change the buffer to 256?
[10:06] <etzerd> can somebody help me here: when I try to install Mplayer I have this error. "Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[10:06] <etzerd>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed"
[10:06] <crimsun> etzerd: because you have to be root
[10:07] <thoreauputic> falcon3: you can also use grub to make a generic boot floppy, but I don't know the command
[10:07] <etzerd> I log as root
[10:07] <thoreauputic> falcon3: man grub would mention it
[10:07] <falcon3> thoreauputic: but lilo can work as well, right ?
[10:07] <crimsun> etzerd: um, which set of problems are you trying to resolve?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> falcon3: I don't see why not - try it and test it to see if it works
[10:08] <falcon3> k
[10:08] <etzerd> the error says" libfontconfig1  is to be installed
[10:08] <etzerd> but when I look at the Synaptic it is install
[10:08] <thoreauputic> falcon3: lilo is a pefectly good bootloader - I used it with debian and mandrake with good results
[10:08] <milli> bigredradio: debugreiserfs <dev>
[10:08] <AilleantSian> i have a belkin wireless network card and its picking it up as a block volume
[10:08] <thoreauputic> *perfectly
[10:11] <wfx> sound over network stumble a bit, i was think with upsize the soundbuffer it will gone but i dont know how do i do it?
[10:13] <kangpeh> ahah
[10:13] <kangpeh> tuxracer =)
[10:13] <kangpeh> is so fun
[10:13] <kangpeh> are there any other fun game
[10:13] <wfx> TEG
[10:13] <tortoise_> frozen bubble!
[10:14] <kangpeh> TEG, frozen bubble - are they in the normal sources
[10:14] <kangpeh> hehe
[10:14] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, openmortal is a very fun game
[10:14] <kangpeh> ahh
[10:14] <kangpeh> im loving my fglrx =)
[10:14] <kangpeh> everything finally works
[10:14] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, if you have room on your hard drive for that stuff
[10:14] <kangpeh> (minus xcompmgr -_-;;)
[10:14] <wfx> neverball is also great
[10:14] <kangpeh> are these all gl games
[10:14] <whiskey_1> yes neverball is nice too
[10:14] <whiskey_1> so is openglad
[10:15] <whiskey_1> and openquake and many many others
[10:15] <whiskey_1> but you have to have a big hard drive for a gentoo installation
[10:15] <wfx> teg is a risk like board game does not need gl and is in universe
[10:15] <zenrox> has any one had secess installing apc's powerchut software for batterybackup
[10:15] <kangpeh> ahh i wanna play gl games o.;; lol
[10:15] <kangpeh> to show off to people using windows
[10:15] <kangpeh> cuz they think linux has everything but gaming
[10:15] <kangpeh> but dang, this fglrx is not bad not bad
[10:16] <kangpeh> i want to get the source code for fglrx
[10:16] <kangpeh> so i can hack it a lil :(
[10:16] <zenrox> kangpeh,  look for et for linux
[10:16] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, linux has lots and lots of games but they are in gentoo
[10:16] <dockane> i would like to installl hoary on my desktop system. the available media is a dvd but the system has got no dvdrom, but my laptop has got one. is there a way to build, mount and share the dvd for the installation ?
[10:16] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, and it takes a large hard drive
[10:16] <dockane> *share via lan
[10:16] <kangpeh> :/
[10:16] <kangpeh> is there a counterstrike for linux
[10:16] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, check out Dave Gnukem
[10:16] <dockane> hopefully not
[10:17] <SeamusLP> kangpeh:  I think you can run counterstrike in wine
[10:17] <kangpeh> nerverball is cool
[10:18] <kangpeh> seamuslp: ahh
[10:18] <SeamusLP> I know you can run it in cedega.  You can run half-life 2, counterstrike source in cedega.
[10:18] <wfx> yes neveball is fun
[10:18] <SeamusLP> However cedega is a $5/month subscription
[10:18] <kangpeh> cedega o.o; is that just a wine hack
[10:18] <SeamusLP> its wine with vastly improved directx support
[10:19] <SeamusLP> basically they just hack the shit out of it until it works with the most popular games
[10:19] <krypt0s> anyone know how to set up eagle-usb?
[10:20] <kangpeh> hmm
[10:20] <kangpeh> i wonder if they have stepmania
[10:20] <kangpeh> or any emulator games
[10:20] <wfx> maybe this is also funny: http://soulride.com/products/jay_peak.html
[10:21] <SeamusLP> kangpeh: you mean in apt?
[10:22] <kangpeh> dang
[10:22] <kangpeh> chromium was fun
[10:22] <kangpeh> apt or anything
[10:22] <kangpeh> lol
[10:22] <mainer> falcon3: unless you install windows to another physical hdd,it will over-write your mbr,and you will need to-re-install grub or another bootloader after the windows install,then append grub to boot windows,o.k.,been there,done that
[10:22] <SeamusLP> You can get emulators from apt, but roms you'll have to find elsewhere.
[10:22] <SeamusLP> They being of questionable legality despite the fact they're not sold anywhere!
[10:23] <kangpeh> seamuslp:  what emulators
[10:23] <kangpeh> dang stepmania not in apt
[10:23] <SeamusLP> zsnes, snes9x, probably a gameboy advance emu
[10:23] <kangpeh> snes o.o;
[10:23] <kangpeh> i just wanna play mario
[10:23] <kangpeh> what joysticks can i use
[10:23] <kangpeh> i wanna get a mario controller
[10:23] <kangpeh> and play mario and fzero
[10:23] <kangpeh> hehe
[10:23] <kangpeh> i own those games anyway
[10:23] <kangpeh> so its all good
[10:24] <SeamusLP> heh I saw a peripheral for zsnes that lets you plug your SNES controller into some type of USB-joystick adapter
[10:24] <kangpeh> how do i make a .deb
[10:24] <kangpeh> ?
[10:25] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, there are lots and lots of linux games....i had hundreds compiled....but depends what you are looking for...there is also ET and some online games and maybe you could check out supertux....nice game
[10:25] <Xebitx> Hey Im trying to install pftp-mew and after I did ./configure and make I get this error: http://pastebin.com/270140 ...what is wrong?
[10:25] <kangpeh> supertux o_O
[10:25] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, supertux is a very nice game like openmortal
[10:25] <SeamusLP> dpkg I think
[10:25] <kbrooks> SeamusLP, not that simple
[10:25] <kbrooks> i'm serious
[10:25] <camcorder> Xebitx: you need to install ncurses
[10:26] <kangpeh> i want to make a .deb for stepmania
[10:26] <kangpeh> real quick
[10:26] <ells> tritium: Mike you there
[10:26] <camcorder> Xebitx: you need to install ncurses
[10:26] <MFen> is there a keyboard led applet for gnome in ubuntu? i can't find anything in apt-cache, except a gkrellm one and a kde one
[10:26] <SeamusLP> kangpeh I can't remember how to do that, maybe there's a wiki
[10:27] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, also there is a very nice flight game...very nicely done called gl-117 or something like that
[10:27] <MFen> kind of surprising if there isn't one for gnome, considering there used to be
[10:27] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, but that stuff is really for gentoo people
[10:27] <cusco> I finished supertux already
[10:28] <whiskey_1> cusco, you got through all the levels.
[10:28] <cusco> and I did not found the princess
[10:28] <cusco> or whoever
[10:28] <whiskey_1> cusco, how did you do that
[10:28] <cusco> lol
[10:28] <cusco> played like a maniak
[10:28] <SeamusLP> What are you talking about whiskey?  If a game is made for linux how do you make the distinction that it's for gentoo people :P
[10:28] <cusco> whiskey_1: :P
[10:28] <whiskey_1> SeamusLP, because those gentoo experts know how to get the right libraries and compile everything
[10:29] <whiskey_1> SeamusLP, but you have to have a very large hard drive
[10:29] <SeamusLP> Really?  As opposed to a non-gentoo expert who cannot read the instructions provided ona  website?
[10:29] <membreya> what's a good download program that enables resuming?
[10:29] <cusco> membreya: d4x
[10:29] <whiskey_1> membreya, bittorrent is working fine here for that
[10:29] <thoreauputic> membreya: wget as usual
[10:29] <cusco> oh
[10:29] <Xebitx> camcorder: I get errors on trying to install ncurses
[10:29] <whiskey_1> membreya, you can pause and restart
[10:29] <wfx> kangpeh, if you own q3a the take a look on this -> http://www.padworld.de/
[10:30] <camcorder> Xebitx: what errors/
[10:30] <Xebitx> camcorder: whats the package name?
[10:30] <SeamusLP> whiskey_1: also gl-117 is in apt :P
[10:30] <thoreauputic> membreya: I think the wget flag is -c from memory
[10:30] <membreya> dher thoreauputic ...thank :P
[10:31] <camcorder> libncurses5
[10:31] <Xebitx> libncurses5 is already the newest version.
[10:32] <camcorder> you need also devel package
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: for compiling, get the -dev versions
[10:32] <camcorder> well i'm not debian guy
[10:32] <camcorder> so it's -dev for rpkg :P
[10:32] <Harti> hi
[10:32] <Xebitx> thoreauputic: eh come again?
[10:33] <Xebitx> never mind
[10:33] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: usually when a build complains about missing libs, you need the -dev version
[10:34] <Xebitx> thoreauputic: btw ..when I install pftp-mew I get an error saying that it cant find openssl
[10:34] <Xebitx> thoreauputic: and I did apt-get install openssl
[10:35] <camcorder> Xebitx: -dev pack as well?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search openssl | grep dev
[10:35] <Xebitx> argh crap
[10:35] <camcorder> if you want i can send the binary of it though :P
[10:35] <Arcane> Anyone got any suggestions on how to get a Westell Wirespeed with USB to work under Ubuntu? :\
[10:35] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: apply the same to any other things it complains about
[10:35] <camcorder> it's really pity that there's not pfxp-mew package on universal
[10:36] <camcorder> universe even
[10:36] <Xebitx> thoreauputic: is it this one libssl-dev
[10:36] <baza> does anyone know a usb web cam that works ok with Hoary?
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: looks promising
[10:36] <Arcane> And that USB modem I'm talking about has its drivers for Windows and Mac publically available. Any way to emulate those, or something?
[10:37] <camcorder> Arcane: there's a way to do that through wine, but really tough way, instead go buy an compatible cam
[10:37] <Arcane> ... It's not a cam, I don't have any money, and I can't modify this computer in any way.
[10:38] <Arcane> And this is the only reason I'm not using Linux instead of Windows. :\
[10:38] <mainer> arcane: that's what i'm using on adsl,just enable dhcp or input static i.p. address,should have been configured at install
[10:38] <K-Rich> I'm currently downloading the 5.04 Install ISO, Will it allow for an upgrade or do i need to reinstall completely?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: compiling can be an exercise in searching and trying and searching again, unfortunately
[10:38] <camcorder> Arcane: well just try other drivers might work, but go complain to vendor about that
[10:38] <Arcane> ... mainer, do you have it on USB or Ethernet?
[10:38] <Arcane> And I've BEEN complaining, trust me.
[10:38] <camcorder> Arcane: ask the manufacture to support linux drivers
[10:39] <Arcane> ... I already did, haven't gotten a reply yet.
[10:39] <SeamusLP> Nobody has made a driver yet?
[10:39] <Arcane> Nope.
[10:39] <Xebitx> thoreauputic: but how did you know it was ncurses which was missing?
[10:39] <camcorder> Arcane: let me guess,  chinese or korean manufacture.  Those developers learn MS on their US or UK universities and think only os is that
[10:40] <Xebitx> ls
[10:40] <Arcane> ... Uh, no
[10:40] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: that was someone else
[10:40] <Xebitx> k
[10:40] <Arcane> It was made by Westell, and the software was from ANOTHER company, and ANOTHER company is using it as a modem.
[10:40] <K-Rich> anyone?
[10:40] <mainer> arcane: it's on my usb bus and it's an adsl modemconnected to usb adapter via cat5 cable,o.k.
[10:41] <Markrian> K-Rich, you don't need to download hoary!
[10:41] <Markrian> You can upgrade to it straight from warty
[10:41] <Arcane> Ooooh.
[10:41] <mainer> linksys usb200m
[10:41] <baza> I think if you burn to cd and put it in your drive it'll offer to upgrade u
[10:41] <Arcane> How exactly do I do that, again?
[10:41] <K-Rich> Markrian: well, i have 27 systems to upgrade so i figured a CD would be safer, can i just add the path to the CD to my sources.list ?
[10:42] <wfx> what command show me how the scripts in /etc/init.d are configured?
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: either the README in the tarball or the info on the website usually says which libs etc are needed to compile a particular program
[10:42] <Markrian> K-Rich, that might work, assuming you haven't added any packages from the network on those machines
[10:43] <mainer> arcane:i'm not in ubuntu,atm,but configure your network card (enable dhcp) and it should worh might have to ifup eth0  after
[10:43] <K-Rich> Markrian: the only "extra" package i have is mplayer from crimsun's repository
[10:43] <Arcane> ... 'kay
[10:44] <mainer> arcane:it's in the ubuntu-guide,i believe
[10:44] <dockane> has anybody got an idea why ubuntu says no media to every dvd i try with my slimline dvdrom ? cdroms work properly
[10:44] <Arcane> I -really- didn't see it there, sorry. Thanks, though, I'll try it when I find my Ubuntu CD XD
[10:44] <mainer> but mine worked out-of-box after install
[10:44] <Markrian> K-Rich, adding the CD should be fine then
[10:45] <enyc> urrrm, default package install for ubuntu 5.04 [hoary]  -- installs plugdev etc, account in plugdev group, etc by default,  kernel and ''device manager'' thing sees removeable ATA card [compactflash on pcmcia bus]  -- want to know how to get it to 'work' in plugdev/etc. !
[10:45] <mainer> arcane: ls usb will show if it's been detected
[10:45] <K-Rich> thanks
[10:45] <Markrian> K-Rich, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[10:45] <Arcane> Yeah, it shows.
[10:45] <enyc> [is uspported, can be mounted manually, etc. ] 
[10:45] <K-Rich> Markrian: there now :)
[10:45] <SeamusLP> K-Rich I'd apt-get all the necessary packages for one box and put them on an http server.  Use that to upgrade the rest :)
[10:45] <mainer> then should be good to go after enable dhcp
[10:45] <mainer> or set the static i.p. address
[10:46] <Arcane> Okay, yay.
[10:46] <Arcane> Can I set the static to anything?
[10:46] <Arcane> Like if I typed 127.0.0.2? :P
[10:47] <ailleantsian> does anyone else have the problem of the device manager seeing your wifi network card as a block volume?
[10:47] <krypt0s_> anyone got any idea how to install this: http://forum.eagle-usb.org/viewtopic.php?t=2080
[10:47] <enyc> not me ;-) but i have the problem of not understanding how to get block volumes on pcmcia to work ;-)
[10:47] <Arcane> Must... find.. CD
[10:48] <ailleantsian> its driving me mad .. i might have to uninstall this if i cant get it working
[10:49] <enyc> hrrrm.. does your wifi chipset manafacturer etc. submit the necessary information/driver to kernel developers etc. ?
[10:49] <Arcane> Well, crap. This is annoying. Missing Ubuntu CD! :O
[10:49] <enyc> you may have some card from some horridly unhelpful manafacturer...
[10:49] <ailleantsian> its on the ndiswrapper site
[10:49] <ailleantsian> its from belkin
[10:49] <enyc> hrrrm.... but the __chipset__
[10:50] <enyc> not the 'badge' name
[10:50] <ailleantsian> broadcom
[10:50] <ubll> is Alias planning on releasing a linux version of the Maya PLE
[10:50] <von_burger> hi, is here anyone fmiliar with acpi?
[10:50] <krypt0s_> anyone know any other linux support rooms?
[10:50] <Arcane> krypt0s - /list
[10:50] <enyc> heh.. dotn know about ll these things anyway, peopel talk abuot aironet, various others....
[10:51] <thenuke> krypt0s_: and these are called channels ;D
[10:51] <thenuke> webchats have "rooms"
[10:51] <krypt0s_> I know Irc I'm just an linux n00b :P
[10:51] <wfx> a lot of users but too many can help
[10:51] <enyc> remember: wlan using WEP [or no wep/encryption]  is rubbish protection that can be borken by automatic tools quickly ;-)
[10:51] <camcorder> why gaim packages still old on repos?
[10:51] <camcorder> it's been almost a week, and still there's 1.1.4
[10:52] <krypt0s_> yeah wfx, that's why I don't have a ubuntu specific question so i was wondering if there were any other reccomended
[10:52] <ailleantsian> sadly i need wifi to much :(
[10:52] <ubll> Has anyone gotten wings3d to work in ubuntu?
[10:52] <SeamusLP> camcorder: because you touch yourself at night?
[10:52] <Arcane> Can someone do me a favor?
[10:52] <enyc> and there are lots of crappy wlan cards/devices that need stupid drivers
[10:53] <enyc> for which no information is published ro no help given to kernel developers, etc.
[10:53] <Arcane> And tell me what command I need to mount hda and allow anyone to modify it? :P
[10:53] <camcorder> seamuslp:what kind of anaology is that
[10:53] <enyc> ndiswrapper is a funny thing, makes sesne though
[10:53] <holycow> heh
[10:53] <enyc> not played with it myself ;-)
[10:53] <holycow> btw, if anyone is installing ubuntu under vmware...
[10:53] <wfx> krypt0s, normaly you a right here for help/support
[10:53] <enyc> I still need help with getting the plugdev // whatever, for pcmcia-attached-compactflash
[10:54] <enyc> or whatever the gnome-plugger or whatever is called
[10:54] <holycow> make sure you change your virtual hard ddrive from scsi to ide, it won't be able to format the virtual hd space otherwise
[10:54] <SeamusLP> camcorder:  I don't know.  My point is that who the heck is going to know why gaim hasn't been updated.  Don't see why it matters.
[10:54] <enyc> how odd, shouldn't do, unless something wrong with the SCSI emulation driver [?] 
[10:54] <Arcane> Reboot. :D
[10:54] <ubll> Has anyone gotten wings3d to work in ubuntu?
[10:54] <SeamusLP> camcorder: If you want it that badly you can always just get the source and make a debian package out of it
[10:55] <enyc> hrrrm... SCSI is better command-queueable interface etc... multitasking and dma friendly sortof commandset
[10:55] <camcorder> SeamusLP: hmm don't know how to make it
[10:55] <ubll> i get this error "sh: line 0: exec: sdl_driver: not found" when I try to run wings3d
[10:55] <mello> Hey guys, when I'm importing CDs through Sound Juicer, it takes forever. It's running at 1.7X when it theoretically could run at 40X. Is there any command to fix this?
[10:55] <enyc> sounds like you dont' have the necessary SDL drivers etc...
[10:55] <wfx> ubll, sounds like you need to install sdl
[10:56] <SeamusLP> camcorder: Well there's the option of doing the classic ./configure ; make ; make install but if you want it to show up in synaptic you need to make a debian package out of it
[10:56] <ubll> wfx, apt-get it?
[10:56] <wfx> ups :)
[10:56] <wfx> sorry enyc didnt see that you post it
[10:56] <SeamusLP> camcorder maybe you should check the wiki
[10:56] <camcorder> SeamusLP: having actually be able to install it through synapthin would be better
[10:56] <enyc> I want to know who knows what is going on with the ''automounting'' sytem provided, what is going on ?? -- which program/daemon supports attached removeable devices ??
[10:57] <enyc> e.g. those flash-memory-with-usb-cntrlr-frontend-things
[10:57] <mjr> enyc, hal notifies gnome-volume-manager via dbus of the attached device, and g-v-m mounts it using pmount
[10:57] <SeamusLP> camcorder: it might not get updated until breezy badger repositories come up
[10:58] <wfx> ubll, hope it is the right :-) "apt-get install libsdl1.2debian"
[10:58] <mjr> (and hal notices this through hotplug)
[10:58] <ubll> wfx, thank you!
[10:58] <ailleantsian> i just looked on the broadcom site and they have drivers for redhat, fedora suse
[10:58] <wfx> ubll, test it first! :-)
[10:58] <enyc> mjr: dd, so where/how do I debug tis system to see which parts are seeing what ?
[10:59] <Shufla> hello :)
[10:59] <enyc> arrachign the device.. resules in kerenel messages noticing the extra ATA channel for the virtual-ata-device etc.. and notices '/dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0' [single partiton on the device] 
[10:59] <enyc> and the hald is running
[11:00] <enyc> but... cannot ''see'' the device in gnome-volume-manager
[11:00] <Delparnel> Will my toshiba wireless card work under Ubuntu?
[11:00] <enyc> something isn't working, somewhere.......
[11:00] <ubll> Hmm, didn't seem to work
[11:00] <mjr> enyc, hmm, might be that hal isn't exactly aware of pluggables like that
[11:00] <wfx> any other ide for : https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8269
[11:01] <enyc> delp: depends ont he chipset, etc. -- there are a lot of horrid cards where the manafacturers dont provide the necessary information or help to make working driver.....
[11:01] <wfx> idea not ide :-)
[11:01] <mjr> enyc, which, of course, would be a problem. But I don't know the internals. File a hal bug for starters with that info?
[11:01] <mello> Hey guys, when I'm importing CDs through Sound Juicer, it takes forever. It's running at 1.7X when it theoretically could run at 40X. Is there any command to fix this?
[11:01] <Shufla> huh. how to enable overlaing windows in gnome window control?
[11:01] <enyc> mello: not tired sound-juicer, not sure whats going on...  what happens if you rip the audio using cdparanoia?
[11:02] <mello> i haven't tried that
[11:02] <enyc> well try stuff..
[11:02] <Shufla> aka always on top
[11:02] <enyc> most stuff seems to use cdparanoia as the 'backend'
[11:02] <enyc> and OGGENC or something as the frontend
[11:02] <enyc> errrr
[11:02] <enyc> for the encoder backend, even
[11:02] <mjr> enyc, or; the kernel doesn't report that to the userspace as being a pluggable device
[11:03] <mjr> but that's guesswork
[11:03] <scizzo> Shufla: ?
[11:03] <enyc> mjr: hrrrrrm , well , how to do I found out that ?
[11:03] <thoreauputic> mello: I think it encodes at the same time, rather than ripping to wav then encoding
[11:03] <Shufla> scizzo: gnome got feature which allows put any window "on top" over others. it's disabled in ubuntu
[11:03] <Del_Parnel> anyone know about the toshiba card?
[11:03] <mrproper> I was on Horay when it was devel.  What do I need to change in apt.sources now that it's stable?
[11:04] <Enspyron> hey... does anyone know where I can get drivers for my audigy 2 sound card, so it can function in 5.1 virtual mode?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> mrproper: nothing
[11:04] <enyc> nb: oggenc isn't particuarly fast, but it does a really good job, definitely better than mp3, often better than AAC...
[11:04] <mrproper> thoreauputic, Oh cool.
[11:04] <Shufla> mrproper: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:04] <enyc> ensp: hrrm, is that supported in the linux kernel you are using ?
[11:04] <mrproper> Shufla, Well, I already have horay
[11:04] <mrproper> thoreauputic, Is there a new devel branch yet?
[11:05] <Enspyron> Don't know... I have the hoary release... I figure there should be drivers for 5.1 support or something
[11:05] <thoreauputic> mrproper: heh - when the devs recover from the celebrations, I guess ;-)
[11:05] <mrproper> thoreauputic, Oh okay.
[11:05] <thully> hi - does anyone know - if I burn the Ubuntu and Kubuntu DVD versions (the combined Live+install) and add them to my apt sources, will this give me all of main to install offline?
[11:05] <Enspyron> since audigy 2 is pretty popular
[11:05] <wfx> Enspyron, maybe this can help you: http://files.printf.dk/guides/audigy2.htm
[11:05] <Enspyron> thanks
[11:05] <mjr> enyc, cat /sys/block/[device] /removable
[11:05] <Shufla> thully: yes.
[11:05] <niran> thully, i think you only actually need one
[11:06] <niran> thully, the installs are different, but both have all of main
[11:06] <thully> Well, I want the KDE apps to use on GNOME (k3b for instance)
[11:06] <niran> thully, is all of kubuntu in main?
[11:06] <wfx> Enspyron, hmmm is not soo good a i was think.
[11:06] <enyc> mjr: /sys/block/hde/removable: "1"
[11:06] <thully> yes - at least what's in a standard Kubuntu install
[11:06] <mjr> enyc, well, at least that's ok then
[11:06] <niran> thully, yeah, i think one of the dvds alone should work
[11:06] <niran> thully, but both wont hurt
[11:07] <enyc> and that entry appears/disappears as device added/removed
[11:07] <thully> I mostly want to use GNOME, but would like to have the KDE apps at my disposal without having to download them if I want them
[11:07] <mjr> enyc, yep
[11:07] <enyc> and that entry appears/disappears as device added/removed [the whole hde appears/vanishes] 
[11:07] <enyc> but
[11:07] <enyc> how do I find out stuff about  hald // pmount to deal with it?
[11:07] <mjr> enyc, so, to my limited knowledge, the kernel side would seem to be ok; sorry, hal internals not for me, as said
[11:07] <louis_> hi
[11:08] <thully> Would I still need a main source (other than the DVDs) in my sources.list, or just the DVDs, security, updates, and universe/multiverse/etc if I want them
[11:09] <niran> thully, i don't think you'd need a main source, but apt prioritizes the DVD over the internet
[11:09] <niran> thully, as long as there aren't newer packages, it'll use the dvd
[11:10] <wfx> Enspyron, maybe this one is better: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18802&page=1&pp=10
[11:10] <thully> so, just have the DVDs, security, updates, (and universe/multiverse/marillat for MP3 and extra software)
[11:10] <niran> no, keep main
[11:11] <niran> it wont hurt to have
[11:11] <thully> why?  I thought all updates went into updates or security
[11:11] <niran> it wont be used much, but it's still good just in case
[11:11] <niran> right, but why take off main?
[11:11] <enyc> remember: mp3 has patent limitations
[11:11] <tritium> thully, you may decide to install something that's in main
[11:12] <thully> yes - but doesn't having both DVDs give you all of main?
[11:12] <Arcane> ... Okay, who was it who told me about dhcp? That didn't work. -_-
[11:12] <niran> thully, yeah, there's just no added utility in removing main
[11:12] <enyc> arca: ?what didnt' work how?
[11:12] <thully> (on MP3 - I don't think the patent holders care about end users, and I have an iPod, so OGG would be useless for me)
[11:13] <Arcane> It refused my connection.
[11:13] <Arcane> Any chance of a complere list of how to mount devices and such? :x Or at least USB ones.
[11:13] <enyc> hrrrm, you can get better players that support much more than those ipods ;-)
[11:13] <holycow> thully, well then just try to create an mp3 player and sell it ... watch how quickly you get sued to oblivion
[11:14] <tck> upgarded to hoary, orinoco pcmcia card not working now "no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices"
[11:14] <Meastapheles>  man I must say ubuntu-ppc really missed the mark by not having sleep support on 'new' G4s, mine has been around for almost a yr and still no sleep
[11:14] <mello> How on earth do I change the text colors in XChat?
[11:14] <holycow> mello, settings/preferences
[11:14] <enyc> tck: maybe you need necessary pcmcia package [?] 
[11:14] <holycow> -_-
[11:15] <mello> well yeah i got that far
[11:15] <tritium> mello, Settings->Preferences->Colors
[11:15] <thully> I don't plan on creating a physical MP3 player and selling it - I just want a decent, inexpensive player that stores about 1,000 songs - I found none of this variety that support OGGs
[11:15] <wfx> mello Settings/Preference/Colors
[11:15] <tck> cant get get net access
[11:15] <enyc> or kenrel package with pcmcia in it now [?] 
[11:15] <mello> My text is gray, how do I change it to orange?
[11:16] <kikiriki> hey, i wounder how to install my soundcard?
[11:16] <tck> was working fine with orinoco-cs before upgrade
[11:16] <Arcane> ... Newbie guide on mounting USB devices? Anyone?
[11:16] <enyc> nb: this working ubuntu-ohary with pcmcia modules has "pcmcia-cs" package instllaed and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386                        install
[11:16] <enyc> and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386           install
[11:16] <thully> they're all either 512-1GB flash players or behemoth 20GB players with clunky interfaces
[11:16] <Jet2k5> hello I'm trying to update to hoary, but it won't mark the upgrades after I click on add cd
[11:16] <holycow> ubuntu-ohar <-- rofl, best misspelling of hoary ever
[11:17] <dockane> it looks lilke i need to update the firmware of my dvdrom ... does anyone know a ressource for a dos boot disk ?
[11:17] <holycow> ubuntu o'hary, now with more leprachaun!
[11:17] <mainer> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:17] <Jet2k5> uh already did that buddy
[11:17] <holycow> ubuntu o'hary, hey gimme back my lucky charms!
[11:17] <whiskey_1> you know one game i never figured out on gentoo was that slashem-sdl   did anybody ever figure that out....if you type ? it tells you to type a for instructions but if you type a it tells you you can't apply anything
[11:17] <Jet2k5> and I oplogize for my attitude I'm really pissed off at this whole ordeal
[11:17] <holycow> thank you thank you, i'll be here all week
[11:17] <Arcane> ... Whiskey, learn the game already :P
[11:17] <fallstorm> dockane, bootdisk.net
[11:17] <mello> test
[11:18] <fallstorm> or www.bootdisk.net, one or the other
[11:18] <enyc> what, even the innopod etc. ?
[11:18] <thully> It does seem rather strange that no microdrive players support OGG... not even iriver's does
[11:18] <tritium> tck, I'm using orinoco_cs right now, and there is no listing in /proc/devices
[11:18] <dockane> fallstorm, thnx
[11:18] <mainer> (  ) Linux 3.1 : 2.6.11.6-jk, GNU/Linux | XFree86: 4.3.0.1 | : X-Chat v.2.4.1
[11:18] <mainer> (  ) [ : Celeron (Coppermine : 697.964 MHz Cache: 128 KB ]  | : 144/319M [|||||||||||]  ( 45.1% ) | [ : Maxtor 32049H2 : 18G  6G  ( 33.3% ) ]  | : 66
[11:18] <mainer> (  ) [ /: 2.20/4.80 GB  ]  [ /home: 490.00/5.90 GB  ]  [ /mnt/hda3: 3.40/7.30 GB  ]  [ : 6.20/17.90 GB  ] 
[11:19] <mainer> (  ) : [ : 1024x768  / 16 Bits | DRI: Yes ]  | | CD-Rom: LTN485S
[11:19] <enyc> in any case, theres a large list on http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers
[11:19] <tck> tritium, are u using hoary?
[11:19] <tritium> tck, yes, for months now
[11:19] <Jet2k5> anybody?
[11:19] <enyc> but I want gnome-volumen-manager / hald to work together -- the hald is SEEING my removeable disk appear/remove
[11:19] <thully> I want to get a player I've actually heard of before...I have all my music ripped to MP3 anyway
[11:19] <enyc> but.. not getting mounted anywhere
[11:19] <tck> tritium, didu have any problemwith the card?
[11:19] <enyc> thul: ha ha ;-)
[11:19] <tritium> tck, no problems at all
[11:19] <enyc> anyway
[11:19] <mainer> sorry guys,wrong channel,didn't mean to flood:((
[11:20] <tck> the card just died after the apt-get upgrade of hoary
[11:20] <membreya> don't worry mainer...it was worth it just for a laugh at your computer :P
[11:20] <enyc> I've got the hald working in no-daemon and it can see the pcmcia-ide thing appearing/removing
[11:20] <enyc> but...
[11:21] <enyc> not get mounted in gnome-volume-manager
[11:21] <tck> but the card is working on this windoe box
[11:21] <tck> so its not thecard
[11:21] <cikilin> hello
[11:21] <jordanau> cikilin, hi
[11:21] <tck> this keyboard isntmuch better :)
[11:21] <cikilin> how can i remove dcgui-qt?please
[11:22] <enyc> tck: ?the card?
[11:22] <cikilin> help!!how can i remove dcgui-qt?please
[11:22] <tritium> cikilin, apt-get remove
[11:22] <tck> tritium, what modules are loaded for the orinoco, is it just the orinoco_cs?
[11:22] <cikilin> i'm a beginer
[11:22] <Pluk> sudo apt-get remove dcgui-qt
[11:23] <holycow> or sudo apt-get remove --purge dcgui-qt
[11:23] <tritium> tck, orinoco_cs, orinoco, hermes, pcmcia, and pcmcia_core
[11:23] <jordanau> cikilin, sudo apt-get remove --purge dcgui-qt
[11:23] <Pluk> indeed purge is better
[11:23] <jordanau> holycow, you beat me
[11:23] <Pluk> cleans up
[11:23] <tritium> or dpkg --purge dcgui-qt
[11:23] <holycow> jordanau, -_-
[11:23] <Jet2k5> guys can anyone help me?
[11:23] <cikilin> k
[11:23] <cikilin> let me see
[11:23] <enyc> jet2k5: maybe ;-)
[11:24] <tck> on a  dump_cis says "no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices"
[11:24] <Jet2k5> uhhh please?
[11:24] <holycow> Jet2k5, just ask
[11:24] <Jet2k5> holycow: I already did
[11:24] <cikilin> 10x
[11:24] <holycow> oh right
[11:24] <Arcane> Does apt-get unarchive an application or try to download it?
[11:24] <Jet2k5> I"m trying to update but it won't
[11:24] <mainer> membreya:thanks,yes,it's 5yrs old,and will still be a while before i can afford something else,but,it does everything i need even running hoary
[11:24] <ny0> HI I've a problem with resolution and refresh on ubuntu 5.4
[11:24] <fallstorm> Arcane, both.
[11:24] <Jet2k5> I click on ADD CD and it doesn't work when I click on " mark all updates "
[11:25] <Jet2k5> just goes back to it's default state
[11:25] <wfx> is there are script to configure the runlevel
[11:25] <fallstorm> If you don't have it, it will download it. if you have it in a cache directory, it simply installs it.
[11:25] <holycow> Jet2k5, open up a terminal and do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:25] <cikilin> jorndanau:thank you
[11:25] <holycow> then read the prompts
[11:25] <Arcane> ... Great, 'cause I can't download anything. Is it on the Live CD?
[11:25] <joshua__> Does anyone else have problems with gxine at fullscreen?
[11:25] <fallstorm> An easier way to just install a package is using dpkg however.
[11:25] <joshua__> It freezes everytime I do it.
[11:25] <jordanau> cikilin, give holycow credit :)
[11:25] <Trixisity> Greetings from Holland
[11:25] <holycow> jordanau, all good, it's team work
[11:26] <fallstorm> Arcane, the live-cd isn't meant to install programs from the internet... it's meant to be run as-is from the CD
[11:26] <fallstorm> Are you trying to install ubuntu onto a hard drive?
[11:26] <holycow> Trixisity, greetings from mars
[11:26] <holycow> >_>
[11:26] <jordanau> cikilin, i dont quite understand the --purge thing i need to do some reading
[11:26] <cikilin> now is an icon yet
[11:26] <Arcane> ... fallstorm. I can't INSTALL it until I can prove it works to my parents. :D
[11:26] <Arcane> So, uh, it's a bit hard to prove it works when it doesn't.
[11:26] <Jet2k5> holycow: nothing
[11:26] <Trixisity> holycow: I come in peace
[11:26] <Jet2k5> but my kernel is still 2.6.8!!!
[11:26] <fallstorm> Is apt-get the only thing that's not working?
[11:26] <Jet2k5> wtf I thought it was 2.6.10 for default?!?!?!?
[11:26] <holycow> Jet2k5, what error message didja get?
[11:26] <cikilin> with dcgui-qt on applicatios>internet
[11:26] <holycow> error even
[11:26] <LinuxJones> fallstorm, it's not working ?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> jordanau: --purge gets rid of the configuration files unless you have changed them
[11:27] <Jet2k5> holycow: nothing, just said there is nothing to upgrade
[11:27] <enyc> I wonder if I should ask about the hald // gnome-volume-manager tomorrow... or something
[11:27] <Arcane> ... apt-get isn't even a problem.
[11:27] <holycow> Jet2k5, correct, you are u pgraded
[11:27] <Arcane> My MODEM isn't working.
[11:27] <tck> tritium ,i just modprobed orinoco_cs and all the modules loaded ,but pump fails again
[11:27] <fallstorm> Well, where did I get apt-get from then?
[11:27] <ny0> how I can change the resolution and the refresh of my monitor?
[11:27] <holycow> Jet2k5, that means you dont have your repositories configured correctly
[11:27] <fallstorm> What modem do you have Arcane?
[11:27] <enyc> arca: what type/model//chipset/connection modem ?
[11:27] <Arcane> ... Westell Wirespeed connected through USB.
[11:27] <enyc> arca: ISA card with com port jumper and USQ?
[11:27] <holycow> Jet2k5, do, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the right sections.  its nicely commented for you
[11:27] <enyc> arca: oh ;-( .. erm .. dialup modem (v34 v90 etc. ? )
[11:27] <holycow> Jet2k5, you should figure out which ones ...
[11:27] <wfx> how do i remove or add something to any runlevel?
[11:27] <[FiDO] > has anyone here managed to get lirc
[11:28] <[FiDO] > working properly
[11:28] <fallstorm> Have you checked ubuntuguide.com and the wiki?
[11:28] <Arcane> ... I didn't NEED the USB modem help.
[11:28] <jordanau> thoreauputic, ahh i see, i have gotten pretty good with linux, my next step will be starting to dig into what the filesystem is like and how things are organized. that helps thanks
[11:28] <tritium> wfx, with update-rc.d
[11:28] <holycow> Jet2k5, if you have the old sources.list file i can dcc you mine for hoary, that will work for sure
[11:28] <fallstorm> Well what the heck are you talking about?
[11:28] <Arcane> You started on that. I'm trying to figure out if apt-get'll work with no internet connection.
[11:28] <Jet2k5> holycow: they are the ones for hoary
[11:28] <holycow> Jet2k5, unless you are running debian sarge and conveniently forgetting to not mention that >_>
[11:28] <kaltsi> hi
[11:28] <fallstorm> If you have packages already downloaded it will.
[11:28] <wfx> tritium, does me this script also show what are configure?
[11:28] <Jet2k5> well why can't I juust do it form the damn cd?
[11:28] <holycow> Jet2k5, then uncomment the right lines
[11:28] <fallstorm> You need to set up a local repository.
[11:28] <enyc> arca: oh ;-( .. erm .. dialup modem (v34 v90 etc. ? )
[11:29] <holycow> Jet2k5, just uncomment the damned lines already and stop complaining, you can figure out the gui stuff later
[11:29] <fallstorm> Or, if you're just installing one or two packages, dpkg is a better bet.
[11:29] <Arcane> fallstorm.
[11:29] <Jet2k5> I did buddy
[11:29] <tritium> wfx, no.  take a look at the manual page
[11:29] <holycow> then update and dist upgrade, done
[11:29] <Arcane> I don't need advice on what you believe in. I'm trying to follow a guide, since I'm a complete newbie.
[11:29] <fallstorm> What guide are you trying to follow and where are you stuck?
[11:29] <Arcane> I'm not stuck.
[11:29] <enyc> arca: I'm trying to ask if you mean dialup modem (v34 v90 etc. ? )
[11:29] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, you there?
[11:30] <whiskey_1> well i see the gnome launcher works and you can move the icon to the trashbox to delete it...but i don't see how to put it in the menu or delete the menus or rearrange the menus
[11:30] <Arcane> I want to know if apt-get'll work.
[11:30] <Arcane> And I'm not using a dialup modem.
[11:30] <wfx> tritium, im search but i dont find the right manual (do you mean the man of update-rc.d).
[11:30] <tritium> wfx, yes
[11:30] <Jet2k5> holycow: so seems to be it's somewhat up to date
[11:30] <Jet2k5> holycow: not new kernel
[11:30] <Jet2k5> why don't know
[11:30] <holycow> Jet2k5, just install new kernel
[11:30] <cikilin> in witch way i can delete an icon from applicatios.internet?
[11:30] <holycow> Jet2k5, sudo apt-cache search kernel-image
[11:30] <enyc> arca: hrrm if this is modem for non-dialup then you are probably /much/ better off connecting to it over ethernet, much less trouble
[11:30] <fallstorm> If you have packages downloaded from the internet and have a local repository set up, apt-get will work. However, setting up a local repository can be difficult and isn't needed if you're only installing a few packages. dpkg is better then.
[11:30] <membreya> holycow: sudo's not required for that :P
[11:30] <holycow> Jet2k5, then apt-get install kernel-imate-...whatever ... pick the right kernel for your cpu
[11:31] <holycow> membreya, true :) habit by now
[11:31] <holycow> kernel-image even
[11:31] <enyc> USB interface whatnots .. silly driver needed, etc. -- just a problem.nuisance/needless-complexity...
[11:31] <tritium> holycow, linux-image
[11:31] <fallstorm> Since I don't know what you're doing that's about as much as I can help you.
[11:31] <holycow> Jet2k5, apt will update grub for you, and just reboot
[11:31] <Enspyron> is there an app in ubuntu that easily lets me mount (fat32) partitions? usermount & doesn't seem to work
[11:31] <holycow> tritium, *high five* hehe :)
[11:31] <tritium> :)
[11:31] <Jet2k5> what abotu if I just re-install
[11:31] <wfx> tritium, i read it now thx (before i only read the --help output)
[11:32] <holycow> Jet2k5, no need, there is no point
[11:32] <Jet2k5> if the kernel was not upgraded on it's own, who knows what other packages aren't
[11:32] <jordanau> Enspyron, www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:32] <tritium> wfx, cool.  I hope it helps.
[11:32] <Arcane> ... I really, really wish everyone in the world would quit complaining about USB sucking horribly, apparently.
[11:32] <holycow> Jet2k5, just install the kernel, there is absolutely no difference
[11:32] <holycow> Jet2k5, you can even remove the old one after you test the new one
[11:32] <holycow> Jet2k5, this isn't windows, once you install debian, there is no need to reinstall
[11:32] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, here you have my entry on your gnome menu editor: http://www.goikoetxeta.com/?p=31
[11:32] <tritium> Jet2k5, the kernel is upgraded on its own if you install the right meta-package
[11:32] <tritium> Jet2k5, which architecture do you have?
[11:32] <BockBilbo> I've added your link as you asked me so
[11:33] <fallstorm> It's not USB that sucks... it's the fact that manufacturers are so Windows-centric that they code their device drivers in a closed-source manner and won't release enough details to developers to allow those devices to work on other OS's.
[11:33] <Jet2k5> tritium: PIV
[11:33] <enyc> fall: well yes
[11:33] <Jet2k5> it's 686
[11:33] <Arcane> But if Linux is so godly, why isn't it no problem? :P
[11:33] <holycow> fallstorm, so true and sad
[11:33] <holycow> fallstorm, the thing is, they don't even haveto make linux drivers, just publish the spec we will write the drivers and software
[11:33] <fallstorm> Exactly.
[11:33] <tritium> Jet2k5, then you want linux-686.  That'll always depend on the latest linux-image and linux-restricted-modules
[11:33] <Arcane> Now I gotta reboot. -_-
[11:34] <holycow> fallstorm, they haven't clued in to how little work the actually haveto do
[11:34] <delerium> Hi there! It seems I cannot upgrade to the latest gnome (2.10.1) ... I have Hoary repository configure .. but yet.. it doesnt appears in the the upgrade... Any idea? (yeah.. im new to Ubuntu!)
[11:34] <Jet2k5> holycow: well I followed that Ubuntu Guide thingy, and I did every single step, but then everyone is talking about their hoary kernel is 2.6.10 and I check mine and it's 2.6.8! So I'm thinking something borked on the update and I didn't know what.  And if the kernel didn't upgrade ( on of the most important components ) then who knows what else didn't update sucessfully?
[11:34] <mjr> holycow, well, some are just shitting their pants when they think of releasing even a bit of their precious intellectual property
[11:35] <holycow> i remember one bsd email exchange between a bsd developer and some device manufacturer, the manufacturer for no appearent reason decided it was too hard to support multiple architectures and could not get it through their thick head that they had not do nothing to get bsd support, staggers the imagination
[11:35] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: I got the pingback on my website. :)
[11:35] <tritium> Jet2k5, did you see my message?
[11:35] <jordanau> Jet2k5, sont you have to reboot after a kernel update
[11:35] <niran> delerium, are you running hoary or what are you trying to do?
[11:35] <holycow> Jet2k5, your question makes sense, but don't worry about why right now
[11:35] <wfx> ok default runlevel is 2 so all scripts in /etc/rc2.d/S* start on boot (or a bit later) right?
[11:35] <BockBilbo> hehe
[11:35] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:35] <holycow> Jet2k5, just install the kernel as instructed, play with it, and ask that question later
[11:35] <cikilin> does anybody wants to show me step by step how to install dcgui-qt?
[11:35] <Jet2k5> jordanau: I'm not that dumb to forget that :)
[11:35] <Jet2k5> k
[11:35] <tritium> cikilin, didn't you just remove that?
[11:35] <cikilin> yes
[11:36] <niran> cikilin, apt-get install dcgui-qt? are you running kde?
[11:36] <cikilin> because it was a pb
[11:36] <jordanau> Jet2k5, i am so i have a tendency to assume everyone else is
[11:36] <jordanau> :)
[11:36] <delerium> niran: Im running hoary, installed it a few weeks before (it was in test or prerelease.. something like that), Saturday, I upgrade a whole lot of package (around 300) and still no gnome 2.10.1
[11:36] <holycow> mjr, hahaha 'precious ip' lol, as if such a thing exists in the first place
[11:36] <Jet2k5> ok well it's going
[11:36] <cikilin> every time i close it forgets the settings
[11:36] <Jet2k5> I think
[11:36] <mjr> holycow, it's a scarce good, you know. The laws say so.
[11:37] <holycow> mjr, the more i'm around opensource/free software world, the more i realize their self importance is little more than a delusion
[11:37] <whiskey_1> you know it really puzzles me where that menueditor put the file for the menu entry for verify...i can't find it to delete it from my menu even manually
[11:37] <holycow> mjr, hehe :)
[11:37] <cikilin> niran:are u using dcgui-qt?
[11:37] <LinuxJones> delerium, when you boot it just boots into a back login screen ?
[11:37] <holycow> mjr, someone in germany is supposed to be working on a low end 3d video card, all open source spec, i'm going to buy at least 4
[11:37] <niran> cikilin, no, but if you're using gnome you probably want the gtk dcgui, which is just dcgui i think
[11:37] <delerium> LinuxJones, Ill reboot right now and let you know! :)
[11:38] <tritium> Jet2k5, I gvae you a solution so that your kernel will always auto-upgrade
[11:38] <niran> delerium, "apt-cache show file-roller"
[11:38] <Jet2k5> how do I check version of packages?
[11:38] <niran> delerium, what version of the package do you have?
[11:38] <niran> bah.
[11:38] <Jet2k5> tritium: looking at the logs can't find it :)
[11:38] <cikilin> i am a beginer
[11:38] <mjr> holycow, I mean, what would they do if, due to their divulging some priceless register information, alternative OSes could use their devices too. They might have to up production!
[11:38] <Jet2k5> k
[11:38] <tritium> Jet2k5, you've got to be kidding...
[11:38] <Jet2k5> I got it
[11:38] <wfx> why /etc/rc2.d/S20mldonkey-server not up and running?
[11:38] <mainer> arcane:   http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[11:38] <Jet2k5> umm no I'm not
[11:38] <BockBilbo> well
[11:38] <Jet2k5> I'm in the process of downloading it right now
[11:38] <BockBilbo> i gotta go to sleep
[11:38] <BockBilbo> gnite
[11:39] <cubis> Hi all, i have a problem with my keyboard, i speak spanish so i need my keyboard in spanish, when i change the config to spanish the "" works but the "tildes" (small line above the letters like this: ) doesn't work.. and when i change to other languaje (or some with dead or not dead keys) tildes works but  doesn't.. what can i do??
[11:39] <Jet2k5> brb then
[11:39] <BockBilbo> bye
[11:39] <mjr> holycow, I heard that XGI, the manufacturers of the Volari 3d chips, were opening up some drivers. Still waiting to hear from someone in the know what exactly they released, but it might be good too.
[11:39] <Jet2k5> thanks for the help, sorry for the attitude, just really annoyed
[11:39] <mainer> arcane: or try knoppix 3.8 or Kanotix 2005-02 live-cd with unionfs
[11:40] <delerium> LinuxJones, Ok.. I just reboot... using kernel 2.6.10-5 ...
[11:40] <mainer> arcane: but 1st read whatever applicable docs,it'll save you a headache
[11:40] <LinuxJones> cubis, go Systems >> Preferences >> Keyboard check under layouts
[11:40] <ZxC> anyone know how I can get windows xp to load by default on grub?
[11:40] <mjr> holycow, of course, an open-specced hardware platform would be nice too, but I wouldn't exactly spit on proprietary hardware with free drivers
[11:40] <delerium> LinuxJones, Everything went well... no error... standard Ubuntu login I guess...
[11:40] <LinuxJones> delerium, ok your in Ubuntu right now ?
[11:41] <gds> ZxC, that's bad :-)
[11:41] <[FiDO] > ZxC why would you want to that lol
[11:41] <ZxC> Fido and gds, parents :P
[11:41] <delerium> LinuxJones, yep!
[11:41] <[FiDO] > yeah good reason i guess lol
[11:41] <ZxC> They find Windows Xp confusing ;P
[11:41] <gds> Everybody say that :-)
[11:41] <gds> ZxC, everybody says that
[11:41] <membreya> ZxC: read your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[11:41] <ZxC> heh
[11:41] <membreya> it explains it all
[11:42] <gds> ahahah ZxC :-)
[11:42] <holycow> mjr, you know what tho? every time i see a proprietary driver/app i cringe.  have you tried adobes acrobat reader 7 for linux? omfg what a disaster.  i can't wait until wireless card manufacturers decide to reinvent the wheel every time for selecting a wireless networks for example, oh the joy of shitty software
[11:42] <ZxC> ok I'll have a look, I have to switch to windows xp anytime i need to access irc anyway
[11:42] <holycow> mjr, nvidia so far has been a good citizen tho
[11:42] <cikilin> does anybody wants to show me step by step how to install dcgui-qt?i am beginer
[11:42] <membreya> why's that ZxC ?
[11:42] <ZxC> do I do /boot/grub/menu.lst in terminal?
[11:43] <gds> ZxC, why don't you use Linux?
[11:43] <ZxC> membreya, can't get (don't know how) to get the drivers working
[11:43] <ZxC> I'm not familiar with terminal at all
[11:43] <membreya> ZxC: just type in nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:43] <smouche> ZxC, windows xp IS confusing -- it just hides the confusion in the registry and dlls...
[11:43] <fallstorm> actually, sudo nano
[11:43] <whiteknight> ZxC, what driver?
[11:43] <membreya> drivers for what? your network? what type of network is it ?
[11:43] <ZxC> eagle-usb
[11:43] <fallstorm> that file (should be) owned by root
[11:43] <enyc> holy: hrrm , just use xpdf to display stuff?
[11:43] <ZxC> eagle-usb, whitenight
[11:43] <membreya> fallstorm: you want him to be sudo'ing before he understands what he's doing in that file ? :P
[11:43] <Jet2k5> k thanks guys that worked
[11:43] <cubis> LinuxJones i have tried with most of the layouts but now one works.. the better one is "Latin American" but tildes doesn't appear above the leader.. just at its side like this: a
[11:44] <tritium> cikilin, you can use "sudo apt-get install dcqui-qt", or "aptitude install dcgui-qt", or install it using the synaptic gui -- your choice
[11:44] <fallstorm> ah, that's true
[11:44] <fallstorm> :P
[11:44] <wfx> smouche, and linux cant be confusion? :-)
[11:44] <MikeA> how do I configure wireless?
[11:44] <enyc> anyway, where do I get help with gnome-volume-manager's linking with hald etc. ?
[11:44] <enyc> go to wherever ?
[11:44] <LinuxJones> cubis, have you tried dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[11:44] <enyc> channel somewhere ?
[11:44] <enyc> mike: no idea ;-)
[11:44] <ZxC> I don't mind the confusion it just sucks switching back and forth between winxp and linux every 5 seconds >_<
[11:44] <smouche> damn straight it can be, wfx! ;-)  God knows I'm confused...
[11:45] <sjoerd> enyc: you ask what you want to ask and hope somebody knows :) ?
[11:45] <cubis> Mmm. i'll try that.. thx
[11:45] <whiteknight> ZxC, what problems are you hai
[11:45] <whiteknight> ZxC, having with the driver?
[11:45] <enyc> hrrm, but I mean, where do I ask ;-)
[11:45] <Grim76_Work> Anyone know how to turn on DMA for a DVD-Rom drive.  I can't seem to find the directions I had at one point.
[11:45] <enyc> nobdoy here seems to be able to get me as far as the right places....
[11:45] <membreya> Grim76_Work: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/(dvd-rom)
[11:45] <wfx> i only want to add/remove/view runlevels and now i read system-v init -> it confused me ;-)
[11:45] <cikilin> tritium can you show me some steps in private
[11:45] <enyc> grim: well.. manually.. you can see with hdparm to see what is/isn't set... and turn it on/off
[11:45] <cikilin> ?
[11:46] <ZxC> whiteknight, I have no idea how to install it, I'm a linux n00b, the help is here: http://dev.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=EagleUsb211
[11:46] <Grim76_Work> Thankls Membreya
[11:46] <tritium> cikilin, it's just the one step
[11:46] <enyc> grim: check with "sudo hdparm -d [device] " first.. see what happens
[11:46] <membreya> Grim76_Work: if you want the setting to stick, change your /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:46] <delerium> Humm.. goes 2.10.1 is avaiable for amd64?
[11:46] <whiskey_1> does anybody know what username and password to enter on the http://localhost:631
[11:46] <whiteknight> ZxC, okay, do you want me to walk it though with you?
[11:46] <sjoerd> enyc: why isn't here the right place ?
[11:46] <whiteknight> ZxC, I understand that you have to switch to xp
[11:46] <Grim76_Work> will do thanks for the information.
[11:46] <delerium> ops err. does gnome 2.10.1 is avaible for amd64?
[11:46] <cikilin> ........../
[11:46] <tritium> whiskey_1, it's disabled
[11:46] <cikilin> ?
[11:46] <whiskey_1> it seems that it wants some members of a CUPS group or something
[11:46] <[FiDO] > ok I'm really getting upset .. I've been trying to get lirc to work forever to no avail I thought the latest package in synaptic might finally end my troubles but it doesn't
[11:46] <enyc> sjoe: pbecause nobody seems to be able to tell me about gnome-voumen-manager <> hald
[11:47] <ZxC> whiteknight, that would be great
[11:47] <cikilin> tritium what step?
[11:47] <kangpeh> linux gaming - any good free FUN games
[11:47] <enyc> fido: hrrm.. wha are you tryign to do with lirc EXACTLY ?
[11:47] <kangpeh> i.e., opengl
[11:47] <kangpeh> counterstrike fight-em-up
[11:47] <ZxC> whitenight, I'm switching to laptop so I can use linux at the same time brb
[11:47] <tritium> cikilin, see my message to you regarding apt-get or aptitude or synaptic
[11:47] <kangpeh> racing
[11:47] <kangpeh> etc.
[11:47] <whiskey_1> and also foomatic-config is broken....but lpadmin does provide a hard way to do this stuff
[11:47] <wfx> i give up maybe anytime later...
[11:47] <talash> good time of day
[11:47] <enyc> you need the kernel level part to work first, ?does that load // pappear in kernel messages?
[11:47] <tritium> whiskey_1, System->Administration->Printing
[11:47] <membreya> kangpeh: crack-attack, maelstrom, supertux, frozen-bubble, battle for wesnoth
[11:47] <talash> can anyone help a n00b set up samba client on hoary hedgehog to connect to a win2k share?
[11:48] <cikilin> tritium look whats hapening:E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:48] <cikilin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:48] <membreya> talash: what's the problem ?
[11:48] <whiskey_1> tritium, that was the first thing i tried...it was absolutely useless and it took days to get the printer working
[11:48] <holycow> talash, nothing to setup, its ready to go
[11:48] <sjoerd> enyc: i know somewhat about it
[11:48] <holycow> talash, places, network server, browse and input appropriate workgroups and passwords
[11:48] <enyc> well
[11:48] <membreya> holycow: that depends if you're using samba or gnomes built in version :P
[11:48] <holycow> talash, thats it, done ready to go
[11:48] <enyc> I have a working hald......
[11:48] <enyc> with working automounting /mnt/[other device volume labels] 
[11:49] <tritium> cikilin, do you have synaptic open?  If so, you need to close it to use apt-get or aptitude.  Also, you have to run those commands as root.
[11:49] <talash> holycow: and if i'm on kde (used apt-get install kubuntu-desktop)?
[11:49] <wfx> have a good time i left.
[11:49] <whiskey_1> kangpeh, there are so many games we don't have time to list them all....just google for stuff you like to compile and install if you have a large harddrive
[11:49] <enyc> e.g. those common-chepo usb-flashmemory-key-things
[11:49] <tritium> whiskey_1, it's not absolutely useless.  What's the problem?
[11:49] <holycow> talash, oh! i donno kde, i'm sorry, i think konqueror can browse network? not sure, i'm sorry
[11:49] <enyc> and.. hald says lots of things when a pcmcia-usb plugged in..
[11:49] <enyc> kernel / hald appears to work or at least recognize it etc.
[11:49] <enyc> but.....
[11:49] <whiskey_1> tritium, well i don't have a problem now.....but it was hell trying to get anything to configure the printer with
[11:49] <talash> let's switch to gnome then....
[11:50] <enyc> the gnome-volume-manager // whatever does /NOT/ mount the device
[11:50] <Meastapheles> this may seem like a athema, but is there a way to install yum on ubuntu
[11:50] <enyc> which is /dev/hde1 in this case
[11:50] <delerium> Gr.. no Flash plug-in for amd64? hummm
[11:50] <enyc> [flash, compactflash specifically, plugged via pcmcia] 
[11:50] <dockane_> no righs to copy to my floppy ? how do i change this ?
[11:50] <sjoerd> enyc: pcmcia ide stuff is too broken to have working automounting.. won't work untill the kernel is fixed
[11:50] <tritium> whiskey_1, that's not the normal user experience with it
[11:50] <membreya> talash: when you click on the K menu, do you have an option for network folders?
[11:51] <Enspyron> totem doesn't seem to play any of my avi files... can someone give me the name of a video player that does? or maybe codecs for totem?
[11:51] <holycow> delerium, you start to see why publishing to a proprietary format is bad ... even if swf is an open standard, macromedia refuses to do but the bare minimum to support even the player
[11:51] <enyc> that definitely works in this kernel etc. etc.  and can be mounted manually
[11:51] <delerium> holycow, I know that.. but alot of sites use it... I cannot do alot about it!
[11:52] <enyc> sjoe: oh, what part of kernel where/what needs fixing how/where/when etc. ?
[11:52] <enyc> the 'removeable' entry in device nodes appears to be there etc.
[11:52] <holycow> delerium, i know! terrible!
[11:52] <membreya> holycow: FYI konqueror can browse network folders, just as easy as gnome :)
[11:52] <membreya> I much prefer my kubuntu
[11:52] <delerium> holycow, yeah... well... maybe ill install the 32 bits version of Ubuntu then...
[11:53] <holycow> membreya, really? cool :) didn't know
[11:53] <Kenneth2> How can i add shotcuts to the "Application menu"?
[11:53] <holycow> Kenneth2, install the gnome menu editor ...
[11:53] <enyc> except, I can't rememebr where the deoce node is etc.
[11:53] <holycow> Kenneth2, instructions are on the ubuntu help site
[11:53] <talash> holycow: switched to gnome
[11:54] <membreya> friggin slow download of kubuntu ...160kB/s my a$$ ... I'm falling asleep here :(
[11:54] <talash> now i go to places-->network servers
[11:54] <Kenneth2> holycow, thanks :)
[11:54] <holycow> no worries
[11:54] <membreya> talash: I was about to tell you, that you CAN do it in KDE
[11:54] <holycow> Kenneth2, thank arnia, he wrote it i think
[11:54] <dockane_> WHY does ubuntu not let me write to floppy without sudo ?
[11:54] <gds> Can I register my nick in this server?
[11:54] <sjoerd> enyc: the kernel misbehaves if hald would probe the filesystem etc
[11:54] <talash> I'm sure I can, but for now i'll just get the bloody thing working any way I can
[11:54] <enyc> sjoe: what do you mean?
[11:54] <enyc> _would_ probe the filesystem ?
[11:55] <enyc> dont understand
[11:55] <talash> I need to see how I accesss the printer on my windoze machine too
[11:55] <dockane_> OR otherway round HOW do i sudo a drag and drop action *argh*
[11:55] <holycow> dockane_, depends, is the floppy mounted? usually it's because it either cannot mount floppy or it cannot understand the filesystem on the floppy
[11:55] <talash> in any case i get to places--> network servers
[11:55] <holycow> dockane_, you might want to quick format the floppy first using thefloppy formatter in apps / system tools
[11:55] <dockane_> holycow, had to mount it manually with vfat
[11:55] <talash> and i see something called "windoze network"
[11:55] <talash> however it's empty
[11:55] <Grim76_Work> Later all thanks for the help
[11:55] <mainer> membreya: i've tryed both,i decided to put kde on ubuntu hoary,but,w.e. works for me doesn't always please others,it's much less time consuming and you still have all the gnome apps
[11:56] <talash> where do I set up the windoze share settings?
[11:56] <dockane_> holycow, no i do not because its a freedos boot disk and i need to copy a firmware to it
[11:56] <holycow> dockane_, i've had intermittent issues with floppies going back and forth from winders ... i'm not sure what the issue is exactly, windows never has problems reading floppies, linux sometimes cannot going from windows to linux
[11:56] <holycow> dockane_, ah!
[11:56] <gds> How can I set mozilla thunderbird as default mail client?
[11:56] <dts> every time i save a file in OO, I get an error "Error loading BASIC of document"
[11:56] <enyc> how oddd. but then I tend to be putting floppies in linux//dos, not windoze
[11:57] <membreya> gds: preferred applications
[11:57] <membreya> what's a
[11:57] <membreya> "floppy" ?
[11:57] <packet> lol
[11:57] <gds> membreya, where's preferred applications?
[11:57] <enyc> memb: as in floppy_disk, storage medium
[11:57] <holycow> lol you know whats odd, most of the questions in here are quite easy to answer
[11:57] <membreya> system > administrative tasks
[11:57] <membreya> or somewhere
[11:57] <Edgan> membreya: a state of your member
[11:57] <packet> system, preferences
[11:57] <membreya> i hate gnome :P
[11:57] <membreya> oi Edgan :P
[11:57] <holycow> i was really expecting to see much deeper and complex questions like #debian
[11:57] <holycow> very interesting
[11:58] <talash> right... seems to be working
[11:58] <dockane_> holycow, so what should i do to get the files copied to floppy ?
[11:58] <MikeA> holycow: we don't have beards, so our questions are easier :D
[11:58] <membreya> holycow: the questions are there...they just get swamped by the easy ones :P
[11:58] <membreya> MikeA: tell that to thoreauputic :P
[11:58] <enyc> mike: I have a furrymonster_beard!
[11:58] <holycow> dockane_, open up nautilus drag file over, unmount the floppy maybe?  that question has a few possible answers, let me know where you get stuck
[11:58] <talash> now I need to see how I print to the windoze printer
[11:59] <talash> can anyone help me with that?
[11:59] <holycow> MikeA, haha!
[11:59] <burgermann> lo
[11:59] <dockane_> holycow, i ve got no rights to write to floppy
[11:59] <smouche> ok, this is probably a really dumb question, but with what file system are floppies formatted?
[11:59] <membreya> would anyone here recommend mythtv over tvtime?
[11:59] <holycow> membreya, *nod* :), its good to see so many newbs trying it out, and not having to deal with setting up custom mount points for example, and having to learn the ins and outs of fstab and such
[11:59] <dockane_> smouche,  try vfat
[11:59] <holycow> dockane_, you mounted as sudo?