[12:01] <narg> nerp
[12:01] <narg> I cant see yours
[12:01] <narg> you seeing mine?
[12:01] <legion> yes
[12:01] <narg> I thought something was screwy...
[12:01] <peek> any one here uses kmobiletools?
[12:01] <legion> nod
[12:01] <narg> gah
[12:01] <legion> when was the last time you saw my msgs?
[12:02] <legion> that would explain a lot
[12:02] <legion> :P
[12:02] <narg> I thought you went by kortor? :p
[12:02] <narg> days ago...
[12:02] <legion> i do
[12:02] <legion> normally
[12:02] <legion> peer
[12:02] <Kortor> legion is my new account name
[12:02] <Kortor> so it auto set my name to legion
[12:02] <Kortor> when i joined
[12:02] <Kortor> We are called Legion, for we are many.
[12:02] <Kortor> :P
[12:02] <narg> hah
[12:02] <Kortor> so thats weird that youre not seeing my msgs
[12:03] <Kortor> its a cool quote
[12:03] <Kortor> !!!
[12:08] <peek> tttest
[12:08] <delphi> rrreply
[12:08] <peek> :P
[12:08] <peek> testing konversation
[12:08] <delphi> seems to work :)
[12:09] <peek> yeah very good
[12:10] <Kortor> When I try and add the aRts control applet to a panel, I get this error: 'The aRts Control applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation.' How do I find out what the problem is?
[12:11] <peek> k
[12:11] <kkathman> greetings
[12:12] <smouche> hi kkathman!
[12:12] <narg> gah, I installed amarok-engines package to amarok, and lo and behold, nothing plays at all anymore.
[12:12] <narg> who packaged this thing? :p
[12:13] <peek> narg, try killall -9 artsd
[12:13] <narg> ok
[12:14] <kkathman> what does Open office use, to assign permissions to files that it writes?
[12:14] <narg> still foobared peek.
[12:14] <peek> what is the error that is giving u
[12:15] <narg> nothing. It just doesnt play, and basicly acts like all tracks are 0 seconds long.
[12:15] <narg> it starts playing, and goes to the next track a second later
[12:15] <peek> narg, you have the sound working?
[12:15] <narg> all while playing nothing
[12:15] <narg> yes.
[12:15] <kkathman> hey smouche..how goes it today?
[12:15] <peek> is it a windows playlist?
[12:15] <narg> or not,
[12:15] <narg> sound just stopped working.
[12:16] <narg> sound recently stopped working, and the playlist is generated by amarok itself.
[12:19] <jose> ola
[12:19] <jose> ay alguien?
[12:19] <jose> hi all
[12:20] <narg> whee... restarted kde sound system hardcrashed x, but got it worked when I booted my computer ;p
[12:21] <narg> wow, I think I changed tenses no less than three times in that sentance.
[12:21] <narg> I love what irc does to grammar.
[12:21] <peek> lol
[12:21] <peek> don't tell me..
[12:22] <narg> Hrm, kde sound is working again, not sure I want to open amarok though...
[12:22] <Kortor> kicker: WARNING: cannot open applet: libartscontrolapplet because of Library files for "libartscontrolapplet.la" not found in paths.
[12:22] <Kortor> anyone know where to get that lib?
[12:23] <coreymon77> testdummy: i know what to do about your windos drive
[12:24] <TestDummy> What?
[12:26] <coreymon77> add to /etc/fstab
[12:26] <TestDummy> I tried that
[12:26] <coreymon77> add: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222,rw,user 0 0
[12:27] <coreymon77> do you have those 3 options?
[12:27] <coreymon77> umask=0222,rw,user
[12:27] <KaiL> rw for ntfs?
[12:27] <coreymon77> fine
[12:27] <KaiL> is that secure now?
[12:27] <coreymon77> ro
[12:27] <coreymon77> but user to mount as non-root
[12:27] <coreymon77> that's the important part
[12:28] <narg> heh, starting up bugged amarok. If I quit, it hardfroze x :P
[12:29] <KaiL> I'd say, that's a bug
[12:29] <narg> heh, its done it before.
[12:29] <narg> didnt this time though
[12:29] <narg> trying to fix it.
[12:31] <Kortor> So I was told in #kde that they think this is probably an issue with my distro instead of kde.
[12:31] <Kortor> kicker: WARNING: cannot open applet: libartscontrolapplet because of Library files for "libartscontrolapplet.la" not found in paths.
[12:31] <Kortor> when i try to add aRts control applet to my panel
[12:31] <Kortor> it doesnt seem to be anywhere on my hd, as far as i can tell
[12:31] <KaiL> package "arts" installed?
[12:31] <kkathman> smouche: I found out how to boot to command line now...very nice for a file server :)
[12:31] <narg> why kortor, just use the buildin volume manager :p
[12:34] <TestDummy> coreymon77: What do you mean by "add"
[12:34] <TestDummy> How?
[12:35] <Kortor> narg: shhhh... i want to stick it on a panel. :(
[12:35] <Kortor> KaiL: Yes
[12:57] <smouche> yeah, kkathman!
[12:57] <smouche> I learned how to rescue myself without rebooting, using irssi to connect to this channel from a command line!
[12:58] <RandomWhim> Very nice
[12:58] <Kortor> score
[12:58] <Kortor> i set my konsole up correctly again
[12:58] <glass-eye> irssi++
[12:58] <glass-eye> i hate konsole
[12:58] <Kortor> i love what i just did to it!
[12:59] <smouche> I like konsole, but I know nothing, nothing!
[12:59] <glass-eye> you killed it?
[12:59] <Kortor> no
[12:59] <Kortor> it stays shaded at the top of the screen, completely out of sight till i move my mouse up there
[12:59] <Kortor> then it pops out
[12:59] <glass-eye> the fonts in konsole are really hard for me to read...no matter what i change them to
[12:59] <glass-eye> Eterm fonts are nice though
[12:59] <Kortor> what file is it that is global bash profile?
[01:00] <smouche> Eterm is too tiny for me
[01:01] <KaiL> glass-eye: you can also make the fonts bigger :)
[01:01] <glass-eye> KaiL: its not the size
[01:01] <glass-eye> they just look fuzzy
[01:01] <RandomWhim> hmm
[01:02] <Kortor> so where do I get libartscontrolapplet.la
[01:03] <Kortor> i get this error trying to add aRts Control Applet to panel
[01:03] <Kortor> kicker: WARNING: cannot open applet: libartscontrolapplet because of Library files for "libartscontrolapplet.la" not found in paths.
[01:03] <Kortor> i have installed arts and kdemultimedea
[01:03] <smouche> have you tried "Bitstream Vera sans mono" for konsole, glass-eye?  only one that looks good for me...
[01:04] <glass-eye> smouche: i'll have to give it a try
[01:04] <Kortor> where is the sound change thingy
[01:04] <Kortor> i cant find it
[01:05] <Kortor> stare
[01:05] <Borg^Queen> hey  people
[01:05] <Kortor> why cant i remove kynaptic?
[01:05] <Kortor> when i try it tried to remove kubuntu-desktop
[01:05] <Kortor> O_o
[01:06] <cartel_> how annoying i cant have 3d and xinerama at same time :(
[01:07] <Riddell> Kortor: because it's part of kubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <KaiL> cartel_: which hardware?
[01:07] <Borg^Queen> Kortor: have you tried to remove it with a no deps option. I don't remember what it is.
[01:07] <Riddell> Kortor: does no harm to remove kubuntu-desktop, it's just a meta package
[01:07] <Borg^Queen> Oh
[01:07] <Borg^Queen> a meta package is a package containing a discription yes?
[01:07] <Borg^Queen> or instructions
[01:08] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: it's a package that doesn't contain any files itself, just depends on other packages, kubuntu-desktop and kde are examples
[01:08] <Borg^Queen> What do you mean by depends on
[01:08] <Borg^Queen> What function does it server?
[01:08] <Riddell> depends means it requires other packages to be installed
[01:09] <Riddell> it just means you can tell it to install kubuntu-desktop and it'll install all the kubuntu programmes
[01:09] <Kortor> riddel: nod
[01:09] <Borg^Queen> ohh ok
[01:09] <Kortor> Can anyone give me a copy of their libartscontrolapplet.la
[01:09] <Kortor> i seem to be missing it
[01:09] <Kortor> :(
[01:10] <Borg^Queen> `That's part of the kdemultimedia-devel package
[01:10] <Riddell> KaiL: search on packages.ubuntu.com
[01:10] <Riddell> or like Borg^Queen says 
[01:10] <Borg^Queen> lol
[01:10] <Borg^Queen> I've had to research soo much with RH
[01:10] <KaiL> that was Kortor :)
[01:10] <Borg^Queen> lol
[01:11] <Borg^Queen> So how does everyone like kubuntu?
[01:11] <Borg^Queen> I'm on a distro quest.
[01:11] <Kortor> I love Kubuntu
[01:11] <cartel_> its awesome
[01:11] <Kortor> Thanks, Borg^Queen
[01:11] <Kortor> everyone else was telling me it was kdemultimedia
[01:12] <Borg^Queen> Kortor: been there suffered that
[01:12] <Borg^Queen> They're sort of right.
[01:12] <smouche> I love kubuntu, but it doesn't always love me back. <sigh>  Story of my life...
[01:12] <Kortor> Borg^Queen: Heh.
[01:12] <smouche> konqueror hates me, but kaffeine gets me going, and keeps me up all night!
[01:12] <cartel_> kubuntu is debian, kde3.4 and xorg..
[01:12] <Borg^Queen> smouche: explain
[01:12] <cartel_> match made in heaven
[01:13] <Borg^Queen> Really
[01:13] <Borg^Queen> How is the community?
[01:13] <Borg^Queen> I'm an idealist, so the community is important.
[01:13] <cartel_> well the community is debian, so its great
[01:13] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: I love the community, they havn't flamed me once
[01:13] <smouche> I'm inexperienced with linux, Borg^Queen -- I've had my share of frustrations learning it.  and some apps seem buggy -- but on the whole
[01:13] <Kortor> This channel isn't as bitter as #debian
[01:13] <Borg^Queen> I've been to some debian channels and they were horrible.
[01:13] <smouche> great experience
[01:13] <Borg^Queen> lol Riddell 
[01:13] <cartel_> some of them
[01:14] <cartel_> smouche: i greatly prefer it to windows
[01:14] <KaiL> Kortor: will come with the time :)
[01:14] <Kortor> KaiL: Bother. :(
[01:14] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: what will come with time?
[01:14] <KaiL> #debian has problems with it immence size
[01:14] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: give you an example... i work in an office that is still using exchange and wintendo servers (we are planning to migrate away to kolab2)
[01:14] <KaiL> around 1000 users
[01:15] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: my windows xp hard disk died, i threw in a new one and installed kubuntu... full integration to all our network out of the box 
[01:15] <smouche> flamethrowers aren't available in the (k)ubuntu repositories, Riddell.  Licensing issues , I think... ;-)
[01:15] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: plus i no longer have to use wintendo ;)
[01:15] <KaiL> kubuntu is 2 or 3 days after the release and there are 80 in a european night......
[01:15] <Borg^Queen> cartel_: sweet
[01:15] <smouche> linux connects to my windows shares more easily than windows does!
[01:16] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: I hope it doesn't become like those debian channels
[01:16] <Borg^Queen> smouche: I found that to be true also
[01:16] <Borg^Queen> and to mac
[01:16] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: in which way?
[01:16] <cartel_> smouche: network folders rules! kde rules!
[01:16] <Borg^Queen> cartel_: I'm adding wintendo to my Linux Terminology Book
[01:16] <cartel_> amarok rules!
[01:16] <KaiL> kill-friendly-ops?
[01:16] <smouche> kaffeine rules!
[01:17] <cartel_> openoffice2 rules!
[01:17] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[01:17] <smouche> well, kaffeine works, anyway!
[01:17] <cartel_> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt rules!
[01:17] <Kortor> What program gives me Media Control applet?
[01:17] <Borg^Queen> Why did they start calling dir folders?
[01:17] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: more user friendly or something, there was a big discussion about it
[01:17] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: familiarity for wintendo droids?
[01:17] <Borg^Queen> Kortor: right click on your kicker taskbar
[01:17] <Borg^Queen> Got to add applet
[01:17] <Borg^Queen> You'll see it in there.
[01:17] <Kortor> Borg^Queen: I know how to add applets... it's not in there
[01:18] <Borg^Queen> Unless you're talking about kmix
[01:18] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: 'folder' is a good name. directory takes longer to type
[01:18] <KaiL> bad, that kicker-applets depends on gtk1.2
[01:18] <Riddell> KaiL: it does?
[01:18] <Borg^Queen> cartel_: wintendo driods, you made my book twice lol
[01:18] <smouche> and "folder" suits the icon -- what would a "directory" icon look like, a phone book?  ;-)
[01:18] <KaiL> it depends on xmms...
[01:18] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: kde needs an option for how stupid to treat its users
[01:18] <KaiL> which is gtk1.2
[01:18] <cartel_> ;)
[01:19] <Borg^Queen> cartel_: yes
[01:19] <cartel_> or perhaps, when you boot into kde for the first time, it gives an intelligence test.. and configures itself appropriately...
[01:19] <Borg^Queen> There should be two modes: I'm a win user and I have a brain.
[01:19] <cartel_> Error: you are too stupid to own a computer.
[01:19] <Borg^Queen> lol
[01:19] <Kortor> Borg^Queen: Ah, I needed the kicker-applets package.
[01:19] <Borg^Queen> rotfl
[01:20] <Borg^Queen> Oh yes Kortor that would help lol
[01:20] <smouche> there's a kicker applets package?  
[01:20] <KaiL> cartel_: ehy, don't make all supporters workless!
[01:20] <Kortor> Borg^Queen: :P
[01:20] <Borg^Queen> I just assumed you had it
[01:20] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: droid is a derogative term for a person with only one clearly defined job
[01:20] <Kortor> Borg^Queen: Nope. Didn't even know there was such thing till KaiL said something about it
[01:20] <Borg^Queen> Well thanks people. You've convinced me to give it a shot. Thank you very much for your kindness.
[01:21] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: below that is a drone, who has to be told all of what to do
[01:21] <debrihmi> does anyone know know i can keep the cd drive spinning while in my ubuntu session so i can have quick access?
[01:21] <Riddell> cartel_: does that make me the kubuntu droid? :)
[01:21] <cartel_> Riddell: you have other responsibilities?
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> hey my drones are very intelligent
[01:21] <Riddell> not really, I just look after kubuntu
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> add an s in there
[01:21] <cartel_> im sure hed like that
[01:21] <smouche> I saw that coming
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> lol
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> Riddell: you do what?
[01:22] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: make kubuntu
[01:22] <cartel_> Borg^Queen if you assimilate me can i see your tits
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> Excuse me?
[01:22] <smouche> Alice Krige can assimilate me anytime
[01:22] <cartel_> lololol
[01:22] <Riddell> cartel_: "not appropriate dude" as jdub would say
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> I should beat you within a inch of your life
[01:22] <cartel_> but you cant
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> Not yet. I'm homing in on your location as we speak
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> Next time the bell rings, beware.
[01:23] <cartel_> ring ring 
[01:23] <cartel_> bananaphone!
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> I take it cartel_ it the looney one here?
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> Riddell: you make kubuntu?
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> You're  devel?
[01:24] <cartel_> ok i need a kde app for doing network mapping like visio/dia
[01:24] <cartel_> such a thing exist?
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> Yes, http://kde-apps.org
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> Search there
[01:24] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: yes, they don't call me Elite Kubuntu Riddell for nothing
[01:24] <KaiL> lol
[01:24] <cartel_> Riddell: pff you arent elite, you're Mostly Harmless
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> I didn't know they called you that.
[01:25] <KaiL> cartel_: you cried about Xinerama and 3D - which hardware?
[01:25] <Borg^Queen> Well I must say I'm impressed. Not because you're a devel but because you're in here with the users
 look for cheops, it does network discover and will map your network out
[01:25] <cartel_> KaiL: ati
[01:25] <KaiL> uhm, ok
[01:25] <cartel_> tek: cheops! i havent heard that word for a while
[01:25] <cartel_> KaiL: 9200se 
[01:26] <cartel_> KaiL: with a pci card as the second monitor
[01:26] <Borg^Queen> aww how sweet
[01:26] <KaiL> ah, 2 different cards.... no dualhead...
[01:26] <Borg^Queen> Oh another question. Does kU include devel packages?
[01:26] <cartel_> Borg^Queen: kdesdk et al are included
[01:26] <Borg^Queen> And, is it hard to build a package for ku?
[01:26] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: it does.
[01:26] <Borg^Queen> Good
[01:27] <Borg^Queen> I like to compile and create my own packages
[01:27] <KaiL> not really, it's the same as for debian ;)
[01:27] <Borg^Queen> good
[01:27] <KaiL> I only don't see any use in it
[01:28] <Borg^Queen> pardon?
[01:29] <KaiL> or did I missunderstand you?
[01:30] <cartel_> tek: im looking for something i can prototype network layouts on
[01:30] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: what didn't you understand? I'm lost.
[01:31] <KaiL> do you want to build additional packages (good idea) or recompile existing ones (waste of cpu time)
[01:31] <KaiL> ?
[01:32] <Borg^Queen> Both, most existing ones. I do a lot of pro bono work with people that can't afford any net connections 
[01:32] <Borg^Queen> So I bring the sources with me when I update or give them a computer.
[01:32] <Borg^Queen> I do this until they can afford a connection.
[01:35] <Phr3ak> hello all
[01:36] <Borg^Queen> hello
[01:36] <Phr3ak> question just installed kubuntu and need to set a root passwd
[01:36] <Riddell> Phr3ak: why?
[01:36] <Riddell> why set a root password?  (not why install kubuntu :)
[01:36] <Phr3ak> so i can change things
[01:37] <Riddell> Phr3ak: sudo is your friend
[01:37] <Phr3ak> dunno been trying
[01:37] <Phr3ak> Hmmm
[01:37] <Phr3ak> sudo yea
[01:37] <Borg^Queen> I'd like to create a root account and not use sudo. How do I do that. Is there a URL?
[01:38] <Phr3ak> i guess single user mode ?
[01:38] <Phr3ak> for now sudo will work
[01:38] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: why?
[01:38] <Phr3ak> trying to set nvidia drivers
[01:38] <Borg^Queen> I'm going to have to look into it.
[01:39] <KaiL> "sudo su" for a rootshell and set a root-pw there (with 'passwd')?
[01:39] <Borg^Queen> Riddell: I'm just acustomed to working that way.
[01:39] <Phr3ak> me too
[01:39] <Borg^Queen> Perhaps I'll give it a shot.
[01:39] <Phr3ak> unix admin
[01:39] <Borg^Queen> Aye
[01:39] <Phr3ak> but will work on it bbl
[01:40] <Borg^Queen> Riddell: Is there a url on how to do this?
[01:40] <KaiL> the Idea above doesn't work?
[01:40] <Borg^Queen> I don't know, I wrote it down though
[01:41] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: sudo passwd  will do it
[01:41] <Riddell> but you should give sudo a chance
[01:41] <Borg^Queen> I will.
[01:41] <Borg^Queen> sudo passwd will create a usable root account?
[01:42] <Riddell> it'll set the root password
[01:42] <KaiL> hmm, how does the line for the user look in /etc/sudoers?
[01:42] <carambol> i cant install mplayer with apt and synaptic
[01:42] <KaiL> carambol: use xine :p
[01:42] <carambol> how i get mplayer-nogui?
[01:42] <carambol> xine-ui?
[01:43] <Borg^Queen> Riddell:  how to you log in as root?
[01:43] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: su (after that)? :)
[01:43] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: don't
[01:43] <Borg^Queen> You can't?
[01:43] <Riddell> not from kdm
[01:43] <\sh> riddell: i fixed the double configure 
[01:44] <Riddell> \sh: rocking, what did you do?
[01:44] <\sh> riddell: hehe..i checked your rules file from konversation....
[01:44] <Borg^Queen> Why was that done?
[01:44] <carambol> xine..no installation cadidate
[01:44] <Riddell> Borg^Queen: because logging in as root is wrong wrong wrong
[01:45] <\sh> ifeq (,$(TEST))
[01:45] <\sh>         # To circumvent: fakeroot debian/rules TEST=1 binary
[01:45] <\sh>         [ ! -d debian/.svn ] 
[01:45] <\sh>         [ ! -d ./CVS ] 
[01:45] <\sh> endif
[01:45] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[01:45] <Borg^Queen> Ah, so you've discovered people chatting as root and the like
[01:47] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: get a rootshell with 'su' (or sudo su)
[01:47] <Borg^Queen> yep
[01:47] <\sh> Riddell: so today i will upload the packages to my webserver, and everybody can review...in the moment i'm too tired to put my fingers on the touchpad...i have to sleep now....18 hours of work :(
[01:47] <Riddell> \sh: sweet dreams
[01:48] <Borg^Queen> Aye
[01:48] <Riddell> KaiL: sudo
[01:48] <\sh> Riddell: c u later this day :)
[01:48] <Borg^Queen> I had a long discussion with someone about his distro. you don't need to put in a pswd to become root
[01:49] <Borg^Queen> I tried to tell him it was a bad idea
[01:49] <KaiL> Riddell: hm, how to configure sudo to ask for a pw?
[01:50] <Riddell> KaiL: it does by default
[01:50] <KaiL> not here...
[01:50] <Riddell> KaiL: remove NOPASSWD from sudoers
[01:50] <KaiL> eigher I'm blind or there is none
[01:53] <Borg^Queen> Well thank you people, for your time and patience.
[01:53] <Borg^Queen> BBL
[01:53] <Borg^Queen> Riddell: thanks
[01:53] <Phr3ak> ok all fixed
[01:53] <Phr3ak> i must say im liking this distro
[01:53] <Borg^Queen> really
[01:54] <Phr3ak> can i add more media ? for kynaptic
[01:54] <Borg^Queen> bbl
[01:56] <Riddell> Phr3ak: you have to do it by hand in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:56] <Phr3ak> ok
[01:56] <Phr3ak> you know of some places i can get soome good repos ?
[01:57] <Phr3ak> to add to it
[01:57] <Phr3ak> i want like vlc
[01:57] <Phr3ak> and kmplayer
[01:57] <Phr3ak> and all the codecs
[01:57] <billytwowilly> are there grumpy groundhog repositories yet? is pykde updated in them?
[01:58] <cartel_> grumpy groundhog? you mean breezy badger?
[02:00] <cartel_> where do the names come from?
[02:00] <cartel_> where the wild things are?
[02:01] <billytwowilly> hmm.
[02:01] <billytwowilly> it is breezy badger
[02:02] <billytwowilly> anyway, are there repositories and is an updated pykde in them?
[02:03] <Riddell> billytwowilly: no and no
[02:03] <cartel_> eg debian naming is toy story characters
[02:03] <billytwowilly> darn and darn;)
[02:03] <cartel_> ubuntu naming comes from where
[02:03] <billytwowilly> pykde is kinda important;)
[02:03] <cartel_> billytwowilly: reportbug on the version thats in ubuntu now
[02:03] <billytwowilly> probably african crap..
[02:04] <cartel_> i think its from a childrens book
[02:04] <cartel_> and no its not african
[02:04] <cartel_> there are no badgers or hedgehogs in africa
[02:04] <billytwowilly> how about warthogs?
[02:04] <cartel_> there are warthogs
[02:04] <Kortor> how do I take the clock off 24hr time
[02:05] <billytwowilly> right click on it and select configure
[02:05] <Kortor> then what
[02:05] <cartel_> right click and say date and time
[02:05] <cartel_> then go to time & dates
[02:05] <cartel_> set time format to the other choice
[02:05] <cartel_> with ampm
[02:06] <cartel_> then logout and log back in
[02:06] <Kortor> k
[02:06] <Kortor> thanks
[02:08] <Kortor> what format do i use for singledigit time
[02:08] <Kortor> HH:MM:SS is double digit time
[02:08] <Kortor> i tried H:MM:SS
[02:08] <Kortor> but that didnt work
[02:09] <KaiL> Riddell: doesn't work :(
[02:09] <Riddell> KaiL: what doesn't?
[02:10] <KaiL> to get sudo to ask a pw
[02:11] <KaiL> I guess it's a problem related to my update from debian sarge...
[02:12] <Kortor> oh, got it
[02:15] <Kortor> when I end my session, Kopete closes with error SIGSEGV, and then it doesnt start up again when i log back in even though it is part of my saved session and kde is set to load my saved session
[02:16] <Kortor> meh
[02:16] <Kortor> afk
[02:22] <Phr3ak> is there away to veiw the pkg avaible in apt-get ?
[02:23] <Riddell> Phr3ak: apt-cache search foo
[02:23] <Phr3ak> sorry havent used it much foo
[02:31] <je4d> Phr3ak: try kynaptic
[02:32] <Phr3ak> well dont you need to add more repos 
[02:33] <tvangeste> hi
[02:33] <darkaudit> hmm... I found my problem with Juk and amaroK... couldn't retrieve tag info...
[02:34] <darkaudit> somehow libtunepimp-bin was compiled without mp3 support... did apt-build --reinstall install libtunepimp-bin and problem solved
[02:40] <jude> hiya
[02:40] <DF> Hi
[02:41] <jude> is there an smp kernel for kubuntu?
[02:42] <jude> all thses nicks and no-one awake? amazing
[02:45] <Riddell> jude: yes  apt-cache search linux smp
[02:45] <jude> Hi Riddell - thanks :)
[02:48] <Phr3ak> darn need more repos :}
[02:51] <smouche> anybody know how I can type a cedilla in linux?  Us-intl (dead keys) layout doesn't seem to include one...
[02:52] <jude> I don't even know what one is
[02:53] <jude> can you find a unicode number for it and use that?
[02:53] <jude> ah, I'm english so it's all good here
[02:54] <kkathman> smouche what do you want to change?
[02:54] <jude> what is a cedilla anyway?
[02:54] <smouche> I need to type a cedilla!
[02:54] <jude> what does it look like?
[02:54] <smouche> (the curly thing under the c, used in french)
[02:54] <kkathman> Ohhh....ahhhhh...pfffft :)
[02:54] <jude> ah right, thanks
[02:55] <kkathman> just kiddin smouche :)
[02:55] <smouche> in windows, the (wonderful) US-intl layout uses the apostrophe key for that, doesn't work with the incredibly crappy linux version
[02:55] <jude> you can't type those as sperate chars afaik - you need a font that has all the variants in it
[02:55] <kkathman> smouche: maybe you have to install a different language?
[02:55] <jude> ah, wait
[02:56] <smouche> jude, the problem isn't the font -- if it were, I'd be getting either question marks or little boxes in place of the characters
[02:56] <jude> unicode 00b8 here looks like one
[02:56] <smouche> the fonts can handle it, it -- dammit
[02:56] <smouche> it's the layout--
[02:56] <jude> sorry, I'll shut up - I don't understand enough to help :/
[02:57] <CygnusX1> Anyone got hoary doing myth yet?
[02:57] <smouche> I'd ask on a french channel, but they probably use a complete french keyboard, which is zerty -- oops "azerty" 
[02:57] <smouche> don't want that!
[02:57] <jude> where are you smouche?
[02:58] <smouche> NYC, jude
[02:58] <jude> smouche: hehe I'd assumed you were somewhere non-english
[02:58] <Kortor> Kopete doesn't open up when I login, even though KDE is set to load a manually saved session and I saved the session with Kopete open
[02:58] <smouche> well, like I said, jude -- NYC! so you assumed right -- ;-)
[02:59] <jude> hehe
[02:59] <smouche> I'm one of these mutant Americans who actually employs - badly - more than one language occasionally.
[03:00] <jude> keep it under your hat or they'll have you in guantanamo
[03:00] <smouche> at least I like to be able to spell people's names correctly!
[03:00] <Kortor> are you calling me a mutant?
[03:00] <pussfeller> heh, "the day my butt went psycho" audio cd come with flacs and oggs on it
[03:00] <smouche> Kortor -- can you type a cedilla?  And if so, could you send it to me by carrier pigeon please?
[03:00] <pussfeller> who would have thot
[03:01] <Kortor> smouche: i didnt mean online. :P
[03:01] <smouche> it's not like I'm asking for the moon, or a euro sign or one of those funky german beta sign thingies...
[03:02] <smouche> just a f&*)_%$ing cedilla!
[03:03] <jude> 
[03:03] <Kortor> smouche: you could always boot up a windows disk... :P
[03:03] <smouche> Kortor, that gets old---
[03:03] <smouche> ;-)
[03:03] <Kortor> smouche: eh?
[03:04] <smouche> linux should be embarrassed that windows has better support (apparently) for languages other than English
[03:04] <kkathman> Is this what you need smouche....or just I say smouhe ?
[03:04] <Kortor> oh, we have it to
[03:04] <smouche> kkathman!
[03:04] <Kortor> kcharselect
[03:04] <kkathman> yeah it was very hard
[03:04] <kkathman> lol
[03:04] <smouche> yeah, let me copy paste that sucker right there!
[03:04] <smouche> what you do, use a character picker?
[03:04] <smouche> that cheating!
[03:04] <kkathman> I just went to the Insert menu, clicked on "special character "
[03:04] <kkathman> no it ISNT cheating
[03:05] <smouche> yeah figured.  me, like just typing...
[03:05] <kkathman> its just using the resources :)
[03:05] <Kortor> theres also kcharselect
[03:05] <Kortor> :P
[03:05] <narg> !
[03:05] <kkathman> hehe
[03:05] <kkathman> well at least I could do it :)
[03:05] <smouche> what I want to know is which human language uses this :   ?  Kilingon?
[03:06] <narg> probably a romance language
[03:06] <smouche> I mean, an accent over the c?  who knew?
[03:06] <Kortor> Kryptonian
[03:06] <narg> or a germanic one
[03:06] <kkathman> I dont thing Klingon is human
[03:06] <smouche> it is now
[03:06] <kkathman> hehe
[03:06] <smouche> probably more Americans speak Klingon than French
[03:07] <kkathman> hmm... nah... I dont know one person that speaks Klingon...but several that speak French
[03:07] <narg> hey now, a good 3 peaple in my school take french class :p
[03:07] <kkathman> well I take that back..there was this woman I was with once...and she spoke something....but thats another story
[03:08] <kkathman> My daughter speaks French :)
[03:08] <smouche> I found that french class is often a good way to not learn french
[03:08] <CygnusX1> kkathman, For the record, a psychiatric hospital in Oregon was looking for a counselor that could speak Klingon. :-)
[03:08] <narg> hah
[03:08] <kkathman> CygnusX1: hmmm.... Well everything kinda is open in Oregon I think
[03:08] <smouche> I can't speak it for shit, but I learned to read it very well, and understand it from internet radio
[03:08] <kkathman> I think there is an underground movement to trade out Puerto Rico for Oregon as a state
[03:09] <CygnusX1> http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/05/13/offbeat.no.more.klingon.ap/ 
[03:09] <smouche> me, I'd trade Texas for Quebec anytime
[03:09] <CygnusX1> I could go for trading California for Puerto Rico.
[03:10] <kkathman> smouche hey watch it now....we might make that trade...we've always wanted to be independent again :)
[03:10] <smouche> vive la Quebec libre
[03:10] <smouche> !
[03:11] <smouche> hmm, I know, what I should be doing is googling the heck out of this question-- or find a french linux wiki or sumthin'
[03:11] <CygnusX1> is Evolution included with Kubuntu?
[03:12] <smouche> don't think so...
[03:12] <Riddell> CygnusX1: no
[03:12] <Riddell> kontact
[03:13] <kkathman> CygnusX1: yes
[03:13] <CygnusX1> heh heh
[03:13] <CygnusX1> Full circle
[03:13] <kkathman> both in Gnome and KDE
[03:13] <smouche> kkathman, your daughter speaks French-- good for her! and you!
[03:13] <kkathman> not me smouche, I cant speak a word of it...so when she gets mad I dont know what she's saying
[03:13] <smouche> I waited till I was pushing forty till I made any effort at other languages
[03:13] <kkathman> I just send her to her room
[03:14] <smouche> hmmm, you should google french profanity, just in case, kkathman ;-)
[03:15] <smouche> kkathman, you're in Texas?
[03:16] <smouche> didn't mean to knock Texas there, heh heh
[03:17] <kkathman> yeppers...all my life :)
[03:17] <kkathman> not a prob
[03:17] <jsubl2> i am in dallas
[03:18] <smouche> I have cousins in Texas.  They're rich, have a county named after them.  The bastards!  They don't know us poor folk from Adam...
[03:18] <kkathman> we are the brunt of many jokes, mainly because we are the only state that was given the actual option to secede at any time
[03:18] <smouche> so instead, you take over the whole country? ;-)
[03:19] <kkathman> well we could, but we are all too busy doing other things right now :)
[03:19] <kkathman> hehe
[03:21] <smouche> yeah, you red-staters do have your plates full!  
[03:22] <kkathman> LOL...yeah...like withholding the oil you yanks need during the winter :)
[03:22] <smouche> my great-grand uncle (or great-great -- ) was a Texas ranger. actually.
[03:24] <kkathman> wow...thats kewl :)
[03:24] <smouche> kkathman-- I have a feeling we might manage better without heat than you folks could without AC... :-)
[03:25] <smouche> weird coincidence:  I took a girl out to dinner once, her family was from Texas,
[03:25] <kkathman> hmm... I dunno smouche, as long as there are margaritas and a pool nearby, we can withstand the heat, but -15 is kinda hard :)
[03:25] <smouche> she mentioned she was descended from the outlaw (ie psychopath)
[03:25] <smouche> John Wesley Hardin
[03:25] <kkathman> ohh yeah
[03:25] <smouche> my great-whatever arrested that guy
[03:25] <kkathman> did she just wanna get that out in the open to see if you'd bolt?
[03:26] <kkathman> Like...ohh by the way psychopathia runs in my family
[03:26] <smouche> Bob Dylan added a g to Hardin's name and wrote a song about him
[03:27] <kkathman> yeah all my roots are from Germany I think...I was born in Dallas tho and still live here in the Metroplex
[03:28] <kkathman> jsubl2: You live in Dallas proper or the burbs?
[03:28] <smouche> sorry to be so off topic folks!
[03:28] <smouche> heh heh
[03:28] <kkathman> aint no big thang...no questions :)
[03:30] <jsubl2> burbs....
[03:30] <smouche> everything is kopacetic in kubuntuland
[03:31] <smouche> hmm, a dvd just finished playing a while ago, buy my cpu is still throttled all the way up, fan working hard...
[03:31] <jsubl2> kkathman: Little elm
[03:31] <smouche> kaffeine seems to do that
[03:32] <kkathman> jsubl2: Ahhh ok...Im in Coppell
[03:33] <smouche> I cannot get power applet to let me switch performance mode-- is there a way from the command line that I can force the cpu to chill out?
[03:33] <kkathman> smouche: my kaffeine does that too, even when Im done.  I have to go in and kill the process
[03:34] <smouche> which process?  kaffeine has exited alright-- let me check top...
[03:34] <kkathman> smouche: either do a ctrl-esc  or in term, do a top, check the top vote getter, and if its not critical, kill it
[03:34] <jsubl2> i put mplayer in the chroot and then build kmplayer on the 64 bit side.  that fixes up konqueror pretty good
[03:34] <smouche> oh wow, kaffeine is still in there, listed twice, hmm
[03:34] <smouche> killing it...
[03:34] <kkathman> yeah you need to kill the process
[03:34] <kkathman> that will release your CPU
[03:35] <smouche> wow, magic, kkathman, thanks!
[03:36] <smouche> kind of scary how fast the fan went off, and cpu back down to 798 Mhz, instantly!
[03:36] <cartel_> hehe
[03:36] <cartel_> comments on murdock's blog entry re sarge vs the hoary hedgehog
[03:36] <jsubl2> cartel_: url?
[03:36] <smouche> well, if I had any talent and knowledge, I'd try to write a script to do that automatically every time kaffeine finishes playing a dvd.
[03:36] <cartel_> http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000244.html
[03:38] <jsubl2> don't know but at least kubuntu keeps moving.. debian seems to be stuck in the mud for some time now
[03:38] <CygnusX1> I am getting a Non-ubuntu CD-ROM detected error while trying to install.
[03:39] <kkathman> smouche: np prob  :)
[03:39] <kkathman> CygnusX1: not sure I understand what you are saying there
[03:40] <CygnusX1> I am trying to install Kubuntu 5.04.  At the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" portion of the install, it is giving me the above error.  My MD5SUM was good.
[03:41] <kkathman> cartel_: interesting
[03:41] <smouche> folks, does anyone know how I can get streamripper to rip ogg streams?  it just shuts down if I try it with ogg (I can play them, just not rip them)
[03:41] <kkathman> cartel_: sounds a little like Ian is a bit jealous....they only wish their installs went as smooth as Ubuntu;s
[03:41] <kkathman> hehe
[03:42] <jsubl2> debian is getting farther and farther behind.
[03:42] <kkathman> smouche: yer one KDE right...why not try KaudioCreator?
[03:42] <smouche> ubuntu install is great, though a lot of people, me included, have had problems with CD's we've burned...
[03:42] <kkathman> jsubl2: absolutely....debian is like the "heathkit" of its day....
[03:43] <kkathman> Debian has tried to hold on to "purity" so to speak and everyone else is improving and making advanced
[03:43] <jsubl2> tis a shame.. i run kubuntu because i can not get kde3.4 in debian without going to unofficial repos
[03:43] <kkathman> advances I mean
[03:43] <CygnusX1> Anyone have any idea on this error?  Found someone with the same issue in the forum:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25153
[03:43] <kkathman> bbl - dinner time :)
[03:43] <smouche> I l check it out kkathman-- but streamripper works directly from streamtuner, very easy, but only for shoutcast streams...
[03:43] <cartel_> kkathman-away: yeah
[03:44] <cartel_> jsubl2: yeah sarge wont even get kde3.4 or xorg, thats for sarge+1
[03:44] <cartel_> jsubl2: hopefully branden can turn it around
[03:44] <jsubl2> but,  don't get me wrong... ubunutu and kubuntu have attracked some talented folks.  that are doing what debian should be doing
[03:44] <smouche> doh, didn't know I had kaudiocreator installed already! heh heh
[03:45] <smouche> one of these days I just have to look in these menus...
[03:45] <jsubl2> cartel_: i unsubscribed from my last debian mail list today.
[03:45] <cartel_> im hoping there will be some flowback from ubuntu up to debian
[03:46] <smouche> cartel_, I think I asked a devel that once, and I think he said yes, there was... or maybe he was referring to gnome... 
[03:49] <StR> hi there...
[03:49] <jsubl2> cartel_: the article referred to at the bottom is pretty interesting also... http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/5744/1/
[03:49] <StR> anyone knows what pkg shoyld I install to get ncurses-devel?
[03:50] <cartel_> libncurses5-dev
[03:50] <smouche> answering my own question, almost :
[03:50] <smouche> ".ogg streams - these are not yet fully supported. You can rip them to a single file, but you can't yet split them or relay them."
[03:51] <CygnusX1> I just tried in expert mode and it looks like the installer is having trouble loading IDE modules.
[03:52] <CygnusX1> ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, and ide-floppy
[04:03] <Kortor> score
[04:03] <Kortor> my nasty wmas successfully converted to ogg
[04:03] <Kortor> i had some wmas from when i use to use windows
[04:03] <cartel_> vom
[04:06] <smouche> could somebody do me a favor -- if anyone has streamtuner, could you check something for me in the preferences?
[04:06] <smouche> I messed up the syntax in a command string in there, wondering what the defaults were...
[04:07] <smouche> googling for it, but no luck so far
[04:08] <jsubl2> smouche: which item in prefs
[04:09] <smouche> "record a stream"
[04:09] <smouche> thanks jsub12
[04:09] <smouche> under applications
[04:10] <jsubl2> x-terminal-emulator -e streamripper %q
[04:10] <smouche> that's it!  thanks!
[04:10] <jsubl2> :)
[04:11] <smouche> damn fine kommunity in k-ville!
[04:11] <jsubl2> yeah
[04:14] <CygnusX1> Thank you for all of your help.  Good aye!
[04:47] <glass-eye> anyone know off the top of their heads what package the X header files are in?
[04:53] <DF> I just installed Kubuntu 5.04 hoary, and when I set the resolution to 1024x768, the text is really large and this is very annoying. How can I fix it?
[04:54] <Riddell> DF: kcontrol->look->fonts
[04:56] <DF> Riddell: Thanks. I'm a XFCE user at heart, but it's not in the repo's, and I'm too lazy to install it otherwise. Plus, I think KDE3.4 is nice. One more question, when I press Ctrl+Tab, it changes virtual desktops, but I use that key combination for some apps. How can I disable that key combo in KDE?
[04:57] <smouche> in Control Center, -> Regional and accessability
[04:57] <Riddell> DF: kcontrol  regional->keyboard shortcuts
[04:57] <DF> Thanks again :)
[04:57] <Riddell> /really/ need to get rid of kcontrol for breezy
[04:57] <smouche> keyboard shortcuts, DG
[04:57] <smouche> DF
[04:57] <smouche> oops
[04:58] <DF> :)
[04:58] <DF> Also, where do I set the font size for that bloody KDE clock
[04:59] <smouche> I love configuring shortcuts in kde; nice that the windows logo key, whatever it's called, is available , with no "prior commitments" !
[04:59] <DF> Found it, don't worry!
[04:59] <DF> I should rip out my Windows keys.
[04:59] <smouche> hey, that's a useful key!
[05:00] <DF> OK, I should scratch the Windows logo off it. :)
[05:00] <smouche> Well , yes, DF !
[05:00] <smouche> slap a k on it or something, or a penguin.. 
[05:00] <DF> Ooh, FreeSans is a nice font :)
[05:00] <DF> Ugh
[05:00] <smouche> They should sell decals
[05:00] <DF> I'll slap on an X :)
[05:00] <DF> Not a K
[05:01] <smouche> anything but "konqi"
[05:01] <DF> But I cannot live without KDE
[05:01] <smouche> I use XFCE to , when I want fewer distractions
[05:01] <DF> I need K3b and Ark
[05:01] <DF> Do you use Kubuntu?
[05:01] <smouche> me? yep
[05:01] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu rocks
[05:02] <DF> I have tried more distros than my friend, and he's been using Linux for > 10 years LOL
[05:02] <DF> smouche: Can you please help me install XFCE?
[05:02] <smouche> DF -- it's easy -- do you have universe enabled?
[05:02] <smouche> I think it's in there
[05:02] <DF> Oh damn, I forgot to check my repo's I AM AN IDIOT!
[05:03] <DF> I have tried a helluva lot of distros, and I liked Gentoo and Slackware the most, but Slackware wouldn't work with 2.6, and Gentoo wouldn't work with ati-fglrx
[05:03] <smouche> if you're using synaptic or kpackage it's easy anyway-- sorry, I'm not good with apt-get yet -- xfce has a LOT of packages...
[05:03] <DF> Synaptic :)
[05:03] <DF> My favourite is "emerge APPNAME" :P
[05:04] <DF> Can you possible send me your sources.list?
[05:04] <DF> s/possible/possibly
[05:04] <smouche> hmm -- DF- you'll laugh, but I'm not even sure where my sources list is! lol
[05:05] <DF> smouche: LOL /etc/apt/sources.list -- Have you been using a Deb-based distro for long?
[05:05] <smouche> nope!
[05:05] <smouche> just a sec
[05:05] <DF> smouche: Fair enough. I used to use Mepis and Debian in the oast.
[05:05] <DF> s/oast/past
[05:05] <kkathman> smouche you probably need to check that file for sure :)
[05:05] <DF> lol
[05:05] <DF> I'll check the Ubuntu guide :)
[05:06] <kkathman> I have a working hoary sources.list if you want it, smouche
[05:06] <smouche> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse 
[05:06] <DF> kkathman: Could I have that too please? :)
[05:06] <smouche> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted 
[05:06] <smouche> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[05:07] <DF> vim rocks
[05:07] <smouche> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main 
[05:07] <smouche> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main 
[05:07] <smouche> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[05:07] <DF> Don't worry
[05:07] <smouche> that's it
[05:07] <DF> I copied the sources.list from the Ubuntu guide.
[05:07] <DF> It seems suss that the root account was disabled. I enabled it manually. :)
[05:07] <smouche> hell, I edited it before -- just don't have a head for addresses!
[05:08] <DF> Fair enough :)
[05:08] <DF> Damn
[05:08] <DF> GPG error :(
[05:08] <kkathman> can you guys cut and paste from your irc?
[05:08] <smouche> so far, I haven't borked my sytem with those repos yet...
[05:08] <DF> kkathman: Yes, I use X-Chat 2.4.1
[05:08] <smouche> I just use klipper
[05:09] <DF> Ugh
[05:09] <smouche> highlight it, and it's in there
[05:09] <DF> I hate klipper :P
[05:09] <kkathman> ok smouche and DF go to #sourcelist
[05:09] <DF> OK
[05:09] <smouche> cool
[05:19] <Phr3ak> question how do i install a .deb
[05:19] <jsgotangco> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[05:19] <Phr3ak> ty
[05:33] <mrmanic> is it possible to retrofit kubuntu onto a debian sid install?
[05:34] <crimsun> not without essentially dist-upgrading to kubuntu, no
[05:34] <cartel_> crimsun: even then you cant really, you will need to use apt pinning to dselect all sid packages
[05:34] <cartel_> deselect*
[05:35] <crimsun> cartel_: nah, you can do it without pinning. I just did it this morning to test.
[05:35] <mrmanic> crimsun: what is dist-upgrade going to break?
[05:36] <crimsun> mrmanic: nothing that I experienced. You'll just end up more with Kubuntu than Sid.
[05:36] <mrmanic> I'd be ok with that
[05:37] <mrmanic> I think I want a total kubuntu system, but I don't want to do a clean install because I don't want any downtime.
[05:37] <crimsun> honestly, a clean install will be better
[05:38] <crimsun> I'm going to blow away my eight year-old Debian install for it, heh
[05:38] <mrmanic> wow
[05:38] <jsgotangco> what is the flowchart app for kde?
[05:38] <mrmanic> for kde?
[05:38] <mrmanic> not umbrello?
[05:38] <mrmanic> umbrello is a uml modeler
[05:38] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:39] <jsgotangco> i got it
[05:39] <jsgotangco> kvio
[05:39] <mrmanic> ah
[05:39] <mrmanic> cool
[05:39] <jsgotangco> i thought it was dia but it was a gnome app
[05:42] <flammenbringer> all those annoyed by archives shown in the konqueror sidebar/folder view, go to http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98070 and give it your maximum votes!
[05:43] <jsgotangco> thats not a bug they call it a feature hehehhe...*joke*
[05:45] <flammenbringer> yeah, reminded me of a so-called operating system
[05:46] <smouche> I had to turn off that sidebar panel anyway, with it showing konqueror was always crashing.  
[05:46] <flammenbringer> no stability problems here. what version did those crashes occur with?
[05:49] <smouche> hoary 
[05:49] <smouche> last release candidate
[05:49] <smouche> there's a bug report on it, can 't remember the number
[05:49] <flammenbringer> really strange that is, i have no problems here
[05:49] <jsubl2> i have the crashes too.. 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu18
[05:49] <smouche> happens to very few people it seems
[05:50] <smouche> mainly happened when opening konq from the system menu applet in the kicker
[05:50] <jsubl2> konqueror_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu18_amd64.deb
[05:51] <smouche> logo would spin endlessly; there were also random konq crashes when it wasn't even being used
[05:51] <smouche> anyway, turning off the navigation panel stopped the problem for me
[05:51] <smouche> and now I use krusader or rox-filer anyway
[05:51] <flammenbringer> maybe it's because the first thing i did was removing the logo
[05:52] <flammenbringer> ;) kde is sure on its way to be a complete substitute for windows
[05:53] <smouche> it's also becoming a complete substitute for sleep ... ;-)
[05:53] <smouche> too much fun
[05:53] <smouche> !
[05:53] <flammenbringer> well, for me the earlier mentioned bug earned that status
[05:54] <flammenbringer> i don't blame the complete de
[05:58] <xwings> hai
[05:59] <xwings> no one here ?
[05:59] <flammenbringer> yep
[05:59] <kkathman> smouche...sorry was on #ubuntu trying to get a compile answer
[06:04] <smouche> hey
[06:04] <smouche> yeah, kkathman, I saw -- any luck?
[06:06] <kkathman> well
[06:06] <kkathman> I dunno
[06:06] <kkathman> I wasnt sure what to do after the ./configure
[06:06] <kkathman> but that seemed to complete
[06:06] <kkathman> I typed "make"
[06:06] <kkathman> and that went off and did some stuff
[06:07] <kkathman> bu I launched gaim afterward, and its the same version as before...so Im not doing something right
[06:07] <smouche> how much disk space do you need for compiling a program like that?
[06:07] <kkathman> I dunno
[06:07] <kkathman> I got plenty
[06:07] <fallstorm> what's the problem?
[06:07] <kkathman> fallstorm: ahh I was trying to compile something
[06:08] <kkathman> and I dont know how ;)
[06:08] <kkathman> pretty basic
[06:08] <fallstorm> what are you trying to compile and what's it doing?
[06:08] <fallstorm> lol
[06:08] <kkathman> well at least Im honest :)
[06:08] <kkathman> fallstorm: its the latest gaim
[06:08] <fallstorm> generally ./configure, make, sudo make install
[06:08] <kkathman> I got the source...did the extract and the ./configure
[06:08] <smouche> kkathman, uh, maybe, since you had a previous version on there ...
[06:09] <kkathman> yep
[06:09] <smouche> this may be dumb , but
[06:09] <smouche> what if you logged out and back in?  or did you do that?
[06:09] <kkathman> fallstorm: I typed make
[06:09] <kkathman> now I do what?
[06:09] <kkathman> sudo make install ??
[06:09] <fallstorm> sudo make install
[06:09] <fallstorm> yeah.. that copies the executable file to somewhere else on your system, probably either /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
[06:10] <kkathman> ok thats running now
[06:10] <kkathman> done
[06:10] <fallstorm> try running it and see what happens
[06:10] <kkathman> does that put it in usr/bin??
[06:11] <kkathman> or do I need to transfer it
[06:11] <fallstorm> it should have put it there
[06:11] <kkathman> hmm
[06:11] <fallstorm> (sometimes they end up in other bin directories though)
[06:11] <StR> Kcontrol crashes the full system when I use the nvidia-glx driver....
[06:12] <kkathman> hmm well when I launch its still the previous version
[06:12] <fallstorm> ok, from the command prompt locate -u and then locate gaim
[06:12] <fallstorm> it's put it somewhere else
[06:12] <kkathman> cd /
[06:12] <kkathman> oops
[06:12] <kkathman> sorry
[06:12] <fallstorm> you'll see a lot of pixmap files
[06:12] <fallstorm> err, that should be sudo locate -u, sorry
[06:13] <kkathman> ok
[06:13] <DF> a
[06:13] <kkathman> yikes a ton of stuff :)
[06:14] <kkathman> welcome back DF
[06:14] <fallstorm> hehe... ignore all the pixmap stuff, what you're looking for is at the cop
[06:14] <fallstorm> one of them is /usr/bin/gaim, that's the ubuntu/kubuntu gaim
[06:14] <fallstorm> there's another one, might be /usr/local/bin/gaim
[06:14] <DF> kkathman: Can I add you to IM?
[06:14] <DF> smouche: Can I add you to IM?
[06:14] <kkathman> sure
[06:15] <kkathman> AIM: StarbuckKork
[06:16] <mrmanic> hmm
[06:17] <kkathman> fallstorm: 
[06:17] <kkathman> fallstorm: that was it
[06:17] <fallstorm> cool :)
[06:17] <kkathman> it was in usr/local.bin
[06:18] <kkathman> kewl I just did my first major compile..I've accomplished something new :)
[06:18] <smouche> DF -- hey!
[06:18] <smouche> I wondered away
[06:18] <kkathman> he left again smouche
[06:18] <smouche> congrats kkatman
[06:19] <kkathman> smouche did you get my IM info?
[06:19] <smouche> nope
[06:19] <kkathman> smouceh you use AIM or what?
[06:19] <kkathman> ahhh I cant type
[06:19] <fallstorm> hehe... Just wait until you attempt a kernel compile
[06:19] <fallstorm> :)
[06:19] <smouche> yeah, but I don;t haave it set up on here at the moment...
[06:19] <kkathman> smouche: you use AIM or what?
[06:19] <kkathman> fallstorm: not gonna happen I dont think :)
[06:19] <smouche> i can't type either!
[06:19] <fallstorm> lol
[06:20] <kkathman> fallstorm: maybe in a few months when I get to know Linux better
[06:20] <kkathman> but dang..I love this !!
[06:20] <kkathman> hehe
[06:20] <fallstorm> hehe :)
[06:20] <kkathman> feel like Im back in the ol hobbiest days
[06:20] <danikata> hello
[06:20] <danikata> how to use nmap ?
[06:21] <smouche> heh heh kkathman, now i have to piece together the logs on your compile experience from 3 or four different channels... lol
[06:21] <xwings> em ... i got a question. i just insta  ubuntu and found out about kubuntu. what is the fastest way to upgrade to kubuntu ? apt-get ?
[06:21] <kkathman> smouche...I'll give them to you
[06:21] <smouche> hard to look over your shoulder in several rooms at once!
[06:21] <smouche> (I got m-- np!)
[06:22] <kkathman> did you see the ones on #ubuntu with bob2 ?
[06:22] <smouche> kkathman, I think my yahoo instant messenger is bca_ny -- but I haven't used it in weeks-- so I m not sure..
[06:22] <kkathman> he gave me the right libs...and fallstorm was nice enough to give me the correct steps :)
[06:23] <kkathman> smouche, well when you get it up and running let me know
[06:23] <Riddell> xwings: kubuntu.org/faq.php  knows all
[06:23] <Tm_T> =)
[06:23] <smouche> (heh heh, maybe when I manage to compile my own gaim!)
[06:24] <Tm_T> Riddell: not all, like meaning of life ;p
[06:24] <Tm_T> smouche: err, use autoinstaller
[06:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: kubuntu is the meaning of life
[06:24] <Tm_T> haha
[06:24] <Tm_T> ah
[06:24] <Tm_T> Good morning folks
[06:24] <smouche> Tm_T, heh heh-- you had to be there...
[06:24] <kkathman> Tm_T: !!!
[06:24] <Tm_T> smouche: I tried it, works great
[06:24] <kkathman> Tm_T: Great to see you !! Good morning to you (evening here)
[06:25] <Tm_T> =)
[06:25] <kkathman> Tm_T: I just compiles my first source :)  
[06:25] <smouche> Tm_T rescued me this morning by being an irssi evangelist last night --;-)
[06:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: how's going?
[06:25] <Tm_T> haha
[06:25] <kkathman> Tm_T:  going well...learned something new today...and thats great!
[06:25] <Tm_T> uh
[06:25] <Tm_T> nice
[06:25] <Tm_T> I learned too (yesterday)
[06:26] <Tm_T> the most irritating problem
[06:26] <smouche> me too, a few things, only forgot half of them!
[06:26] <kkathman> I got the new gaim 1.2.1 and compiled it (first time for me)
[06:26] <kkathman> lol smouche
[06:26] <smouche> wrote 'em down, and eventually, I'll remember what I wrote 'em down on!
[06:26] <Tm_T> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim/gaim-1.2.1.x86.package?download
[06:26] <Tm_T> heh
[06:26] <Tm_T> that's too easy
[06:27] <kkathman> smouche: thats me...I want to remember to put that somewhere for safe keeping...then forget where that is
[06:27] <kkathman> Tm_T:  I got mine from gaim.sf.net
[06:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, used that autopackage&autoinstaller?
[06:28] <kkathman> nah I downloaded the source and did the whole thing from scratch
[06:28] <Tm_T> it was most unpainful upgrade =)
[06:28] <kkathman> autopackager and autoinstaller??
[06:28] <Tm_T> yes
[06:28] <kkathman> please explain
[06:29] <Tm_T> it installs and compiles it automagically
[06:29] <smouche> Tm_T, if you'd told him that before he would have missed out on all the fun
[06:30] <Tm_T> just answered yes twise and that's it =)
[06:30] <smouche> :-)
[06:30] <Tm_T> yes =)
[06:30] <Tm_T> um, freezing
[06:32] <kkathman> yeah 
[06:32] <kkathman> geez
[06:32] <kkathman> I mean anyone can do it THAT way :)
[06:32] <Tm_T> yep
[06:33] <Tm_T> well, compiling isn't that hard either
[06:33] <kkathman> Tm_T: where are you located anyway...Im in Texas
[06:33] <Tm_T> eh
[06:33] <Tm_T> North Carelia, Finland
[06:33] <kkathman> KEWL!
[06:34] <kkathman> I think you are the first person I've ever talked to from Finland :)
[06:34] <Tm_T> ah
[06:34] <kkathman> smouche: where are you at ?
[06:35] <smouche> Tm_T, heh, maybe I mentioned this already, but I lived in Helsinki for about a year, when I was a baby
[06:35] <Tm_T> smouche: you did? Uh, nice :)
[06:35] <smouche> kkathman, I'm in New York City
[06:35] <smouche> don't remember it though!
[06:35] <Tm_T> smouche: so, come to see your childtime home some time, yes? ;)
[06:36] <smouche> too bad
[06:36] <smouche> wish I did
[06:36] <smouche> I will
[06:36] <smouche> but only in the summer!
[06:36] <kkathman> smouche: Great..I made my first visit up to NYC February 2004
[06:37] <smouche> ain't the internet great?
[06:37] <kkathman> yep
[06:37] <smouche> I wonder where DF is from, not the us...
[06:37] <Tm_T> smouche: what's wrong in the other seasons?
[06:38] <kkathman> Tm_T: I got that wmaker installed..and I found out definitively how to boot to command line
[06:38] <smouche> nothing wrong, but I want to see that midnight sun!
[06:38] <Tm_T> smouche: aa, I see :)
[06:38] <kkathman> Tm_T:  you were close....change the inittab from run state 2 to 1
[06:38] <Tm_T> =)
[06:38] <smouche> I should have said, "especially in the summer..." ;-)
[06:39] <Tm_T> heh, bit different than debian then
[06:39] <smouche> I was in Anchorage, Alaska, for a couple hours waiting for a flight; in December -- at 10 in the morning it was still night!
[06:40] <cartel_> phew
[06:40] <Tm_T> smouche: I bet you would like to come at autumn when everything is dirty and dark etc :p
[06:40] <Tm_T> smouche: eh, normal
[06:40] <smouche> heh heh
[06:40] <Tm_T> smouche: in december, we have daylight just a few huors
[06:41] <smouche> I grew up in a very cold climate -- North country, New York State, but nothing like Finland, probably
[06:41] <Tm_T> heh
[06:41] <Tm_T> actually this is quite pleasant climate
[06:41] <Tm_T> we have a real winter, and we have a real summer
[06:42] <smouche> and real saunas!
[06:42] <Tm_T> yes!
[06:42] <smouche> I don't know which is the greater Finnish invention, Linux, or saunas!
[06:42] <Tm_T> and traditionally you get drunked and bunr the sauna down
[06:43] <smouche> and jump in a snow bank!
[06:43] <Tm_T> =)
[06:43] <Tm_T> snow bank?
[06:43] <smouche> That's what we did where I come from -- jump in the snow after a sauna
[06:43] <Tm_T> a yes
[06:44] <Tm_T> smouche: you ever swimmed in the lace when it have 1 feet thick ice on it?
[06:44] <smouche> kkathman lives in a large sauna.  It's called Texas.
[06:44] <Tm_T> lake
[06:44] <Tm_T> haha
[06:44] <smouche> nope, I haven't!
[06:44] <Tm_T> that's chilly :p
[06:44] <smouche> jesus, !
[06:45] <Tm_T> a normal finnish hobby
[06:45] <smouche> friends of mine used to get drunk and drive on it, but swimming?  no!
[06:45] <Tm_T> haha
[06:45] <Tm_T> actually it's quite healthy
[06:45] <smouche> hah hah; no wonder you guys kicked the Russians's ass!  tough bastards!
[06:45] <us> does anyone know where I can get info on getting my wifi going on kubuntu?
[06:46] <Tm_T> us: ubuntu.org/documents/ ?
[06:46] <us> I'll check that Tm_T 
[06:46] <us> thanks.
[06:46] <Tm_T> smouche: eh, not really kicked, but stopped them, yes
[06:47] <Tm_T> haha
[06:48] <smouche> heh, Stalin got the surprise of his life, there...
[06:48] <us> haha
[06:48] <us> she's already on ubuntu.  :)
[06:48] <smouche> lol
[06:50] <Tm_T> "she" :p
[06:50] <kkathman> smouche: its not that steamy...down near Houston it is tho
[06:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, sauna is not always steamy you know?
[06:50] <moj0rising> OK. she's inflatable but she's still a she!
[06:50] <kkathman> hey membreya !!
[06:51] <kkathman> lol
[06:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: we used to have sauna up to +100'c :p
[06:51] <moj0rising> Ubuntu's docs area does not seem to have anything about wireless.
[06:51] <Tm_T> just imagine that heat
[06:51] <kkathman> Tm_T: what sauna's do you have that arent steamy?
[06:51] <smouche> boiling point?  Madmen!
[06:52] <Tm_T> kkathman: hot!
[06:52] <smouche> sauna's are dry, one's I've been in
[06:52] <kkathman> 200+ thats like quite dangerous :)
[06:52] <Tm_T> hehe
[06:52] <kkathman> smouche:  you dont have the hot rocks and you pour the water over them?
[06:52] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, I've been in steamy sauna what was ~120'C and that was hot!
[06:53] <moj0rising> anyone got any idea on how to set up a new wireless card in ubuntu?
[06:53] <kkathman> 120C thats WAY over 200 F...thats cant be healthy
[06:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes but heat is the key
[06:53] <smouche> I sometimes have hot rocks, but I let nubile wood nymphs pour scotch over them.
[06:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: why not?
[06:53] <kkathman> moj0rising: is it a pcmcia?
[06:53] <moj0rising> yes
[06:53] <kkathman> hmm..does your system recognize it?
[06:54] <moj0rising> I have lights
[06:54] <moj0rising> ifconfig does not show it.
[06:54] <kkathman> moj0rising: no I mean does Linux see it?
[06:54] <moj0rising> that's about all I can tell thus far.
[06:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: just come visit and you'll know why people consider us as crazy nation :p
[06:54] <moj0rising> not sure.
[06:54] <moj0rising> how to ceck in ubuntu.
[06:54] <kkathman> lol Tm_T 
[06:55] <moj0rising> I have no graphical tools to make it easy for me. :)
[06:55] <kkathman> moj0rising:  I forget that file to check your hardware...but you could type dmesg at a terminal and see if your log file saw it at boot
[06:56] <kkathman> Tm_T: whats the file that has a list of all your hardware?
[06:56] <Tm_T> moj0rising: graphic tools don't always make it easier ;)
[06:56] <moj0rising> ah!
[06:56] <moj0rising> true
[06:56] <membreya> hiya kkathman 
[06:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, dunno
[06:56] <moj0rising> kkathman: it does see it.
[06:56] <kkathman> ahh thats good then
[06:56] <kkathman> if the system saw it :)
[06:56] <moj0rising> I know which file your talking about but can't remember the name either.
[06:57] <kkathman> membreya: what is that file that shows your hardware?
[06:57] <moj0rising> well, then.
[06:57] <moj0rising> how can I get it to show up in ifconfig.
[06:57] <membreya> dmesg? :P
[06:57] <moj0rising> yeah.
[06:57] <kkathman> thats the log file
[06:58] <kkathman> but isnt there some file somewhere that shows a list of your devices?
[06:58] <membreya> lspci ? :P
[06:58] <cartel_> lspci?
[06:58] <membreya> lol I had to reinstall today..so what did I do .. I downloaded the kubuntu ISO ... waited an hour for it ...just going through my files now, I already have it :P
[06:59] <cartel_> membreya: the new iso...
[06:59] <kkathman> ahhh lol
[06:59] <cartel_> kkathman: /proc/pci too
[06:59] <membreya> cartel_: yes
[07:00] <StR> anyone knows how to make cedega use arts to paly sound?
[07:00] <kkathman> moj0rising: try this:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14987&highlight=wireless+pcmcia
[07:00] <moj0rising> darn. I can't find that file either.
[07:00] <moj0rising> ok..
[07:00] <kkathman> cartel thats what I was remembering :)
[07:01] <membreya> kkathman: you could always use kinfocentre :P
[07:01] <moj0rising> haha
[07:01] <moj0rising> all right.
[07:01] <kkathman> moj0rising: heres something else for you;  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24538&highlight=wireless+pcmcia
[07:02] <moj0rising> I think it's OK.
[07:02] <kkathman> membreya: sure thats true...I was trying to be all geeky and stay command line focussed :)
[07:02] <moj0rising> I copied that url though.
[07:02] <Tm_T> bah, some idle ->
[07:02] <kkathman> moj0rising: those came from the forums...you can go there and search for entries that might help you :)
[07:02] <moj0rising> this is kind of silly -- I just did ifconfig eth1 up
[07:02] <moj0rising> and wala!
[07:02] <kkathman> ohh haha
[07:02] <kkathman> good!
[07:03] <moj0rising> I don't have an access point but that's all I really wanted.
[07:03] <moj0rising> I'm quite sure I'll be all right now.
[07:03] <moj0rising> Going on a trip tomorrow and I could use the wifi.
[07:03] <kkathman> moj0rising: great! good luck and enjoy!
[07:04] <moj0rising> hah
[07:04] <moj0rising> Thanks for your help, guys/ gals.
[07:04] <kkathman> np
[07:05] <moj0rising> I will. Going to vancouver. Can't wait!
[07:05] <moj0rising> Gonna go pack. Thanks again!!
[07:05] <kkathman> wow I just realized that I have a geForce2 nVidia in my machine 
[07:05] <kkathman> rofl
[07:06] <moj0rising> nice.
[07:06] <kkathman> When I bought the parts to put this one together I have a guy that I get all the stuff from and he put it all in a box and just gave it all to me
[07:06] <kkathman> I put it together...I didnt even take a look at the vid card
[07:07] <smouche> heh heh
[07:07] <kkathman> I thought he was just giving me a cheap card
[07:08] <smouche> good deal.
[07:08] <kkathman> amazing that you can build a system now for around $300
[07:08] <kkathman> all new parts
[07:10] <smouche> I want to resurrect my old pentium
[07:10] <kkathman> now I just need to watch the ads and get me a nice 100 - 250gb drive
[07:11] <smouche> uuuuuuuuggh - don't remind me, my 220 gig drive spontaneously lost its file system yesterday...
[07:12] <kkathman> oooooooooooo thats not good
[07:12] <smouche> I'm enjoying using my laptop instead of the desktop box -- much quieter!
[07:12] <smouche> freakin' desktop sounded like a twenty year old refrigerator
[07:13] <kkathman> lol
[07:14] <smouche> all right -- I'm off to bed, productive day in kubuntu-learning land, eh kkathman?
[07:14] <kkathman> yes sir!
[07:14] <kkathman> you have a good night :)
[07:14] <kkathman> cya tomorrow
[07:14] <smouche> you too!  'night
[07:25] <kkathman> Does anyone know how to set the default browser to something other than Konqueror?
[07:26] <loren> i think it's in control panel
[07:26] <loren> have you installed firefox?
[07:27] <kkathman> yes, but I prefer Opera, because its much faster for my system
[07:27] <kkathman> but yes I have ff
[07:27] <loren> ah hmmh, let me check
[07:29] <kkathman> I checked the Control Center and did not see a place to change the default, but I may have missed it
[07:30] <loren> hmmh im not sure kkathman, i could swear i've seen it in the control center somewhere, but it's like one of those options you can't find when you need it
[07:30] <loren> im actually searching myself
[07:30] <loren> it might also be under the file association manager
[07:32] <kkathman> loren: yes I know those ;)
[07:32] <kkathman> Im trying too
[07:32] <loren> sorry i can't find it off the top of my head, but since it's KDE related, you could probably get an answer in a bigger channel providing it's General for KDE
[07:32] <loren> ag
[07:32] <loren> ah
[07:32] <kkathman> thanks :)
[07:32] <loren> maby #kde or #gentoo would be more of a help, or #debian
[07:32] <loren> there's a lot of people in there
[07:32] <kkathman> "ill try there
[07:32] <chavo> It's in KDE Components -> Component Chooser
[07:33] <kkathman> thanks chavo :)
[07:33] <chavo> no problem
[07:35] <kkathman> chavo...problem tho
[07:35] <chavo> What's up?
[07:35] <kkathman> chavo.. it askes for the browser, but when I navigate to it...its in /usr/bin/opera and it doesnt like that
[07:36] <kkathman> says 'must be a local"
[07:36] <chavo> just type in opera, it's in your $PATH so it will find it.
[07:37] <kkathman> ok I'll try that
[07:39] <kkathman> yep that worked...excellent chavo, thank you!
[07:39] <loren> opera renders pages quicker?
[07:39] <chavo> Cool.
[07:39] <loren> coz i know konqi sucks
[07:39] <loren> (rendering pages)
[07:40] <kkathman> loren: well, I think so, others might disagree, but on my little 96mb memory box it did and on my 512 box it does too
[07:40] <kkathman> its faster than firefox for me
[07:40] <loren> ah :)
[07:40] <loren> very good
[07:40] <kkathman> Firefox seems to take a long time to load
[07:41] <loren> i remember always wondering why websites loaded incorrectly for me, but then i figured out for me it was just DNS issues
[07:41] <loren> and i needed to att 4.2.2.2 into my hosts file? something like that lol
[07:41] <kkathman> well for me, at least, Opera seems faster
[07:41] <loren> Konqui renders slow, Firefox is faster, and Opera i really never had/have the time to try
[07:42] <loren>  /yet lol, kindof sucks you have to pay
[07:42] <kkathman> under kubuntu, Konq was faster than firefox for me
[07:42] <loren> really? 0_o how strange that is
[07:43] <loren> Konqui is a snail for me 0_o
[07:43] <kkathman> yeah...I dunno, every box is different
[07:43] <loren> i could always Wine Internet Explorer rofl ;) ;)
[07:43] <loren> yea
[07:43] <kkathman> you got diff motherboards, diff FSBs etc
[07:43] <kkathman> Firefox sails on my Windows box though
[07:43] <loren> that's true, and different configurations as well
[07:43] <loren> wow, strange lol
[07:44] <loren> im proud to say that im on a ASUS board lol
[07:44] <loren> they sell them at my local computer store for like 100-300
[07:44] <kkathman> yep me too
[07:44] <loren> good board
[07:44] <kkathman> I just tried a new one for my Linux box Loren
[07:44] <loren> i especially like how they power off if there's a surge
[07:44] <loren> really? NICE kkathman!
[07:45] <kkathman> I got that A7V400-MX - its a micro ATX in an ATX case tho
[07:45] <loren> :O so is it fits in a smaller case? or erm
[07:45] <kkathman> it can
[07:45] <loren> very nice
[07:45] <kkathman> but I didnt need all the PCI slots
[07:45] <loren> yea
[07:45] <loren> well smaller sells better
[07:45] <kkathman> got an AMD 2500+ Semperon
[07:46] <loren> especially since girls think mac minis are cute? or something
[07:46] <loren> ah, i got a AMD 2600+ :P
[07:46] <loren> AthlonXP though
[07:46] <kkathman> board, processor and 512MB memory for 150
[07:46] <loren> on this computer though i think i have a P4 Hyperthreaded 2.4 GHz something, dunno
[07:46] <loren> wow, holy
[07:46] <loren> very nice deal
[07:46] <loren> VERY nice deal
[07:47] <crimsun> heh, I have a Pentium II/266. You all make me sick.
[07:47] <loren> haha
[07:47] <kkathman> yes very...the guy I do business with is so kewl
[07:47] <loren> i'll tell you the specs of this whitebox i got next to me lol
[07:47] <kkathman> I turn alot of business his way, so he reciprocates
[07:47] <loren> 2GB Ram, 2.8Ghz Asus board, only 8x DVD-RW though, and erm... complete with 3"12' floppy drive
[07:48] <loren> 3.4"
[07:48] <kkathman> crimsun...but you know, you probably are so far ahead of us in knowing how to tweak linux to get every drop of power out of it
[07:48] <loren> **
[07:48] <kkathman> 2gb RAM..wow are you dual booting with Windows or is that a standalone LInux?
[07:48] <loren> crimsun put linux on one of these boxes he'd totally kill it, i just stik a nice easy to use one because i'm not concerned about speed as long as it's not slow
[07:49] <loren> but this is a work computer im on so erm, "weeps"
[07:49] <kkathman> loren seriously you can build your own...goto newegg.com and get the components :)
[07:50] <loren> i bought my FlatPanel from them
[07:50] <loren> my OWN computer isn't nothing special but it gets the job done, it's good for me
[07:50] <kkathman> We have a Fry's down here...discount electronics with a very nice cpu components area
[07:50] <loren> 128mb Nvidia Geforce FX 5500, 512 Ram, Asus Deluxe something board, and erm AMD Athlon 2600+ processor
[07:50] <kkathman> I have 5 computers im my office here ... 2 linux 3 XP
[07:51] <loren> damn you! lol
[07:51] <loren> cool
[07:51] <kkathman> loren thats a nice computer tho :)
[07:51] <loren> yeah it's 2 years old ;) bought it for like 6-700
[07:51] <kkathman> loren I do alot of web graphics/design work on the side
[07:51] <loren> ah, same here
[07:51] <kkathman> I have this mega win box
[07:51] <loren> PHP/MYSQL/Photoshop/GIMP
[07:51] <loren> :P
[07:52] <kkathman> then another AMD 1800XP box for my wife
[07:52] <loren> you use GIMP at all?
[07:52] <loren> =D nice
[07:52] <kkathman> yeah I kinda do, but I have Photoshop 7 on my win box
[07:52] <kkathman> so Im spoiled
[07:52] <loren> HELL YEAH! really really nice
[07:52] <kkathman> heres the best part...I got it for $50
[07:52] <loren> i've got Photoshop7 from a friend
[07:52] <loren> he worked for HP
[07:53] <loren> i got mine free XD
[07:53] <kkathman> lucky dog
[07:53] <kkathman> but yanno once you use PS7 its hard to use anything else
[07:53] <loren> i honestly can't tell you how sad it is how many legal expensive cds we have, but none of them have CD Keys, it's really really sad actually
[07:53] <loren> yea, i dont even like Photoshop CS, i stick with 7
[07:53] <kkathman> so I do my graphics there, my flash in SWISHmax and then move those to my Linux box and do the rest of the development
[07:54] <loren> i think we have like 5 different legit versions of windows, maby more
[07:54] <loren> ah
[07:54] <kkathman> I have Dreamweaver MX 2004 on the Winbox too...its nice
[07:54] <loren> :)
[07:54] <loren> there's a flash project to develope program to use Flash on Linux
[07:54] <kkathman> there is??????
[07:54] <kkathman> kewl
[07:54] <loren> i dont think it's through WINE, i think the application is independent
[07:54] <kkathman> man that would be terrific!
[07:55] <loren> :)
[07:55] <kkathman> thats good
[07:55] <kkathman> Wine scares me...I dont run it
[07:55] <loren> im not sure the current progress, but i did take note of it and i think i read somewhere that they had Macromedia's support? 0_o maby that was something else
[07:55] <loren> lol, Internet Explorer + Wine
[07:56] <loren> They've been actually skeptical that wine can get viruses lol
[07:56] <kkathman> I locked onto SWISH a few years ago
[07:56] <loren> but they dont think the virus could have enough permisions to do any damage
[07:56] <loren> SWISH?
[07:56] <kkathman> began using that instead of Flash, then SWISHmax came out and it included ActionScripting
[07:56] <loren> ah
[07:56] <kkathman> yeah its like a super layer above Flash
[07:56] <loren> it can save in the Flash Format?
[07:57] <kkathman> yep
[07:57] <loren> and do you need FlashMX?
[07:57] <loren> or whatever
[07:57] <kkathman> nope
[07:57] <loren> ah no wonder, so it is LEGAL that someone develope their own product that can save flash formats, i was wondering lol
[07:57] <loren> wasn't sure if .flash was propriatary
[07:57] <kkathman> yep
[07:57] <kkathman> there are a couple of things out there....a product called Glanda does it too
[07:58] <loren> you know what i've been wondering
[07:58] <loren> why hasn't apply converted itunes and quicktime to linux?
[07:58] <loren> it'd KILL!
[07:58] <kkathman> what you cannot do, is create a Flash source and open the source in SWISH or vice versa
[07:58] <loren> ah
[07:58] <kkathman> in Swish its like an swi file..in Flash its an fla file
[07:59] <loren> :P
[07:59] <kkathman> you can check it out:   www.swishzone.com
[07:59] <loren> loading**
[08:00] <loren> i was thinking about buying flashmx actually
[08:00] <loren> i think i also might have gotten it from a friend, but never really taken interest so got rid of it
[08:00] <kkathman> loren..honestly, dont....get Swish instead...you can save alot of money
[08:00] <loren> yeah? heh
[08:00] <kkathman> I got Flash from that same guy I got Photoshop and Dreamweaver...I never got into either..but my oldest son is a guru
[08:01] <kkathman> How much is Flash now?
[08:01] <loren> no diea lol
[08:02] <loren> prolly a couple hundred
[08:02] <loren> 3-6
[08:02] <kkathman> its $500
[08:02] <loren> haha lol
[08:02] <loren> :P
[08:02] <kkathman> just check on the Macromedia site
[08:02] <loren> owch
[08:02] <kkathman> Swish is like 100
[08:03] <kkathman> get it and at least play with it a little, the tutorials are good on the site
[08:03] <loren> hmmmr
[08:03] <loren> it's only for windows?
[08:03] <kkathman> yep
[08:03] <loren> damn :(
[08:03] <loren> my other computer got the blue screen of death the other day
[08:03] <kkathman> I know of nothing out there in open source that creates flash stuff
[08:04] <loren> and i can't reinstall windows coz i have 6 years of work on the drive and dont have anywhere to move it to
[08:04] <kkathman> I used to see that screen alot under 98 and 98se
[08:04] <kkathman> loren...here's an idea on that in fact
[08:04] <kkathman> go to your local computer store...pay $40 and get a hard drive enclosure box
[08:05] <loren> haha :P
[08:05] <kkathman> then watch the sales...and get yourself a hard drive maybe a 100gb
[08:05] <loren> that is a good idea lol
[08:05] <loren> i was considering it, but at the moment i have a few things i need to buy first
[08:05] <kkathman> then hook that into that box...and USB it to your computer....goes at USB 2.0 and you can back it up!
[08:05] <loren> :P yeah!
[08:05] <kkathman> I think you can get a 100gb drive for around $60 now if you watch the sales
[08:06] <loren> 0_o
[08:06] <kkathman> sometimes you can get as low as 50c a gb
[08:06] <loren> other day i saw like 80gb for like 100 rofl
[08:06] <loren> i could prolly newegg it
[08:06] <kkathman> yeah thats not good
[08:06] <loren> compusa ;) rofl
[08:06] <kkathman> prices are below $1 a gig now
[08:06] <loren> high prices year round
[08:07] <loren> http://f4l.sourceforge.net/
[08:07] <loren> this might be it
[08:08] <kkathman> newegg has a 160gb EIDE drive for $87
[08:08] <kkathman> thats almost 50c/gig
[08:08] <PD_> Hi guys, so hows the all new Kubuntu
[08:08] <loren> 0_o
[08:08] <kkathman> hey PD...its good :)
[08:08] <loren> im still yet to install it im on RC1
[08:08] <PD_> kkathman: am gonna install it on my laptop now
[08:09] <kkathman> why not just do an apt-get update and then a dist-upgrade/
[08:09] <kkathman> ?
[08:09] <loren> PD_ yeah? cool, i like Kubuntu, it's great for home use, but i wish they'd have less problems with Jack :(
[08:09] <kkathman> jack?
[08:09] <PD_> loren: whats Jack
[08:10] <loren> it's the underlaying layer for music recording applications
[08:10] <PD_> ohh IC
[08:10] <loren> very long and drawn out answer ;) that's the simple answer lol
[08:10] <PD_> :)
[08:10] <kkathman> ahhh ok
[08:11] <loren> did you just Jumpship from windows?
[08:11] <PD_> well will let you guys know hows it doing on my laptop as soon as i finish transferring some data
[08:11] <loren> =D
[08:11] <loren> Ubuntu's gonna plague
[08:11] <loren> epsecially with those free cds
[08:13] <loren> HOLY SHI,...hmmh
[08:13] <loren> 250GB HD for 130
[08:13] <loren> NewEgg, Western Digital
[08:13] <loren> :P
[08:14] <kkathman> yeah saw the one I want:  160gb, 8.9ns seek, 8mb buffer, 7200rpm...$90
[08:14] <kkathman> $0.56/gb
[08:14] <loren> ah 
[08:14] <kkathman> thats almost a crime its so cheap :)
[08:14] <loren> very good deal
[08:14] <loren> :P
[08:15] <kkathman> so loren...for $100 you could have a full backup
[08:15] <kkathman> you could offload everything (using Win backup) .. reinstall a new OS, then restore back
[08:15] <loren> kkathman: very good :P yeah
[08:19] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:27] <shad0w1e> what's better: kdm or gdm ??
[08:28] <Riddell> kdm
[08:28] <shad0w1e> im migrating from ubuntu to kubuntu...
[08:28] <Riddell> kdm kdm kdm
[08:28] <shad0w1e> k thanks
[08:28] <PD_> shad0w1e: dosent matter as long as you log into kde :)
[08:28] <shad0w1e> originally I had ubuntu + kde
[08:29] <shad0w1e> now im adding in kubuntu-desktop
[08:29] <shad0w1e> are there any real advantages?
[08:29] <PD_> kde gives you everything I guess
[08:29] <shad0w1e> damn so im wasting my time..
[08:29] <shad0w1e> will kde automount network drives and flash drives now?
[08:30] <PD_> I find it easier to work around, so many tools
[08:30] <PD_> have to see that, in kubuntu
[08:30] <shad0w1e> gnome automatically finds samba shares
[08:30] <shad0w1e> kde does as well, in SUSE
[08:30] <PD_> but one distro doing all that, I have seen is mdk
[08:30] <Riddell> smb:/
[08:30] <shad0w1e> i know how to mount
[08:30] <shad0w1e> but I want automounting
[08:31] <PD_> just make entries in /etc/fstab and start automounter
[08:31] <shad0w1e> of course, if its possible
[08:31] <Riddell> well smb:/ for smb shared, media:/ for removable media and remote:/ for network drives
[08:31] <shad0w1e>  i need to make an entry for every windows shared folder on every computer, yes ?
[08:32] <Riddell> shad0w1e: you can browse with smb:/  or make entries with remote:/
[08:32] <shad0w1e> raelly.
[08:32] <shad0w1e> i didnt know that. thanks
[08:33] <shad0w1e> bye guys, thanks a bunch!
[08:39] <PD_> the installations just gets easier and easier
[08:40] <PD_> whats the difference between xorg and xfree86
[08:41] <Riddell> xorg is good while xfree86 are evil
[08:41] <PD_> I didn't get the whole point Riddell
[08:42] <Riddell> xfree86 use a closed development model and changed their licence to a restrictive one, xorg are very open to all contributors and have an unrestricted licence
[08:42] <PD_> cool
[08:43] <Riddell> there's not much development that happens on xfree86 these days
[08:50] <tim_h_> how do I make gimp and other gtk apps start in my prefered language?
[08:57] <_pilot> who am i?
[08:59] <linkin> hmm
[08:59] <pilot_> i am meself! yay!
[09:00] <PD_> I just finished instlling kubuntu on my nx7010 laptop, everythings working fine
[09:00] <PD_> kubuntu gave me a default resolution of 1280x800 too
[09:01] <PD_> its great
[09:47] <shad0w1e> help: how do i set kdm to autologon to kde ?
[09:50] <jsgotangco> whats a good vpn client for kde?
[09:51] <nldk> To all that did the hard work: Well done!!
[09:51] <nldk> Great result
[09:52] <nldk> jsgotangco: I use OpenVPN both on the server and client side
[09:52] <nldk> Works fine for me
[09:52] <nldk> easy to configure
[09:52] <jsgotangco> does it have a kde gui?
[09:52] <nldk> nope
[09:52] <jsgotangco> ok ill check it out first
[09:52] <jsgotangco> it shouldnt be that hard
[09:53] <nldk> it's easier than FreeSwan
[09:53] <nldk> based on SSL
[09:54] <nldk> jsgotangco: Just found KVpn - http://home.gna.org/kvpnc/en/index.html
[09:55] <jsgotangco> nldk, thanks ill check it out
[09:56] <nldk> Is there anyone that has problems with the Kubuntu KDE session starting up slow?
[09:57] <nldk> My KDE session hangs on "Initializing System Services" each time I log in after a reboot
[10:13] <nldk> Anyone there?
[10:13] <Tm_T> hullo
[10:13] <PD_> nope nldk
[10:13] <PD_> it was slow for the first time
[10:14] <nldk> Are there any log files that can help - I tried .xsession-errors and syslog
[10:14] <PD_> nldk: do you have enough free space on your disk
[10:15] <cartel_> smoke it up ubuntu d00ds!
[10:15] <PD_> my kde had got stuck once when my free spce was zero
[10:15] <nldk> Yep - I have about 100 GB free space
[10:15] <PD_> ok
[10:15] <nldk> I also tried log in with root - same problem
[10:15] <PD_> nldk: was it fast before, or is this like this from the first time itself
[10:16] <nldk> the very first time after installing Kubuntu it was fast
[10:16] <nldk> after that it started slow
[10:16] <PD_> try making a new user from the command line and try logging in aith that user
[10:17] <PD_> *with
[10:17] <nldk> I thought it was the NIC I installed - but I tried it after I removed the module and this didn't help 
[10:17] <nldk> I already tried that :-)
[10:18] <nldk> while it's hangning, my floppy led lights up shortly after appr. 1 minute
[10:18] <nldk> then after 1 minute more, KDE starts.
[10:20] <PD_> hmm, its out of my hands
[10:20] <nldk> mine too... ;-)
[10:32] <mrmanic> thanks a lot, crimsun 
[11:18] <_-InMa-_> buenos dias
[11:18] <_-InMa-_> good morning
[11:52] <Nino> i have installed kubuntu. Whatever my screen refresh is maybe 60 Hz. how can i configure this? why does it not allowe 85 Hz in the Control Center in KDE?
[11:56] <\sh> nino: crt or tft?
[11:56] <KaiL> I guess your monitor sends no ddc or sends nonsence
[11:56] <_hayden> i installed ndiswr,apper and to get it to connect to a wireless network i have to type sudo dhclient wlan0, is it possible to do this on startup, if so how?
[11:57] <Nino> \sh: crt
[11:57] <Nino> KaiL: so what? how to configure it?
[11:58] <KaiL> BlackLabel:  "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and "auto wlan0" (2 lines) in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:58] <BlackLabel> ok thanks
[11:58] <\sh> Nino: xorgconfig and set it by hand
[11:59] <\sh> ok...last build for qinx...and then i need to get hands on my reviewers
[11:59] <KaiL> Nino: as \sh said. Which graphics card?
[11:59] <Nino> KaiL: some nividia, geforce 2 mx ?
[11:59] <KaiL> afair there was a problem with ATI fire gl "eating" the info...
[11:59] <Nino> hm
[11:59] <KaiL> gf2mx should work, so it's the monitor, which sucks...
[12:00] <Nino> i thought ubuntu wants to be a dummy user linux?
[12:00] <\sh> Nino: u can't expect a software to workaround errors in the hardware..sorry
[12:00] <KaiL> ah, or is your screen resolution extrem high?
[12:00] <Nino> KaiL: yes, how to setup the monitor? it is a iiyama VM 450 pro 19" flatscreen
[12:00] <KaiL> is that something very old?
[12:01] <Nino> KaiL: i tried a lower resolution, did not help...
[12:01] <\sh> hmmm...last time i used a crt...it was 85hz for 1280x1024
[12:01] <Nino> windows detects the monitor i think
[12:01] <Tm_T> :)
[12:01] <Nino> KaiL: 5 years old :/
[12:01] <\sh> and I hat to set it in the XFree86config
[12:01] <KaiL> there's a problem, that crts often report their highest working resolution, not the "normal" one...
[12:02] <\sh> Nino: take the data of your monitor manual and set it by hand
[12:02] <Nino> but it is x.org i thought?
[12:02] <Tm_T> xorg.config
[12:02] <KaiL> x.org 6.8.2-10 :)
[12:02] <Nino> hm
[12:02] <KaiL> xorg.conf, without ig ;)
[12:02] <KaiL> ...afair
[12:02] <Nino> well, yes... hmmm
[12:02] <Tm_T> KaiL: yes :p
[12:03] <Nino> so we are back in editing config files?
[12:03] <KaiL> Nino: tried to set a lower res in kde controlcenter?
[12:03] <Nino> :~(
[12:03] <Nino> KaiL: yes
[12:04] <\sh> KaiL: it's not changing the frequencies if the monitor doesn't support it....
[12:05] <KaiL> \sh: maybe allow a better res after a x restart with the better prefs?
[12:06] <KaiL> Nino: try to lower the resolution in xorg.conf
[12:06] <\sh> KaiL: if the frequencies are supported...i'n not quite sure, but my old sony monitor had to be tied on the frequencies
[12:06] <_ReDRuM_> what he's looking for his v/hsync or something?
[12:06] <Nino> windows detects the correct monitor, the monitor is a very common one... (was a very good one 5 years ago)
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> you can make linux detect it too
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> open up a console
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> type ddcprobe
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> tell you all you need to know about it
[12:07] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: kubuntu does that
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> oh right :)
[12:07] <KaiL> but that doesn't always help
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> well it bloody should do! :P
[12:07] <KaiL> for example my 15" CRT get's 1280x1024 @56Hz with ddc.....
[12:08] <Nino> i can look the sync up in my handbook but i hoped kubuntu will detect it itselfe
[12:08] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: too much for it
[12:08] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[12:08] <\sh> Nino: it has nothing todo with kubuntu
[12:08] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: it works
[12:08] <_ReDRuM_> sounds like it should be capable even tho its crappy
[12:08] <KaiL> but it flickers like hell
[12:08] <Nino> ok, wait, i will boot to kubuntu...
[12:08] <KaiL> and Nino has the same problem. many others like this are reported at pro-linux.de...
[12:08] <_ReDRuM_> thats just cause xorg always chooses the highest res it can
[12:09] <\sh> it has something to do with your monitor :) 
[12:09] <_ReDRuM_> the autodetect from it which personally i dislike about it too
[12:09] <_ReDRuM_> you can always delete the mode lines from xorg.conf :P
[12:09] <_ReDRuM_> sed -i 's/"1028x1024"//' xorg.conf
[12:10] <Nino> just to mentione it again : i would like linux more then windows. whatever only if there is not need for console usage anymore AND it is not a quasi commercial windows like SuSE or RedHat
[12:11] <Tm_T> Nino: actually I like linux because it's powerful console :p
[12:11] <malte> Nino, what's wrong with SuSE or RedHat (fedora?)
[12:12] <Tm_T> malte: commercial shit
[12:12] <Tm_T> fedora is allright, almost
[12:12] <Nino> i like console, too. but i like mouse and big buttons, too. the perfect OS would simply be and ask me with voice what i want .... like the enterprise ship computer ;)
[12:13] <Tm_T> hell no
[12:13] <KaiL> Nino: the screen requests a res, it get's this.
[12:13] <Tm_T> far away from perfect
[12:13] <Nino> Tm_T: it must read your mind?
[12:13] <\sh> Nino: u have more console work to do on suse or redhat than on ubuntu
[12:13] <Tm_T> Nino: hell no
[12:14] <Tm_T> Nino: my fingers are more reliable and faster than my mouth
[12:14] <KaiL> brb
[12:14] <\sh> Nino: and my opinion is, whenever u do work on the console, u know more about your system. that's the reason why, windows users are being punished with viruses, trojans and stuff like that...they don't know anything about their system
[12:14] <Nino> \sh: yes :/ but i want to spend my time programing c++ and not configuring the OS all the day
[12:14] <\sh> Nino: then do it :)
[12:14] <Tm_T> haha
[12:15] <\sh> Nino: code c++ :) 
[12:15] <malte> Tm_T, wtf are you talking about? is it bad because it's commercial?
[12:15] <\sh> Nino: u don't have to configure your system...buy a tft be happy use kdevelop and start coding :)
[12:15] <Tm_T> malte: yes!
[12:15] <Tm_T> malte: don't take it too serious ;)
[12:15] <malte> Tm_T, right :)
[12:16] <malte> it's an awfully stupid opinion nevertheless ;)
[12:16] <Tm_T> thank you =)
[12:16] <\sh> but my opinion isn't worth it to think about...i'm using now for 9 years linux on the desktop
[12:16] <Nino> brb
[12:17] <Tm_T> \sh: One year behind, and still hate windows
[12:17] <Tm_T> \sh: the problem with windows is, even if you know how it works, there's not much you can do about it
[12:17] <Nino> back
[12:18] <\sh> Tm_T: i'm not hating windows...:) i can't use it...too stupid to work with it..i see it every day in the office...
[12:18] <Tm_T> \sh: I've been using windows 2, 3.0, 3,11(wfw), both 95, both 98, ME, NT4, 2K and that fucking XP
[12:19] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_ <3
[12:19] <_ReDRuM_> tho kde is pretty sweet too :)
[12:19] <Tm_T> yes =)
[12:19] <_ReDRuM_> btw i spent 12 hours yesterday coding
[12:19] <_ReDRuM_> and the system CRASHED
[12:19] <Tm_T> haha
[12:19] <_ReDRuM_> because of reiserfs
[12:19] <Nino> well, the problem is clear, you want an OS to configure for hobby. i want one that is most simple to use :/ 
[12:19] <_ReDRuM_> trashed all my work
[12:19] <_ReDRuM_> had to salvage would i could with a hex editor
[12:19] <_ReDRuM_> from the raw disk
[12:20] <Tm_T> Nino: no, you can do all your work in console
[12:20] <Nino> KDE is nice :) but installation and configuration of linux...
[12:20] <Tm_T> Nino: console isn't only for configuring
[12:20] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: he is correct, it's not to do with a hobby (tho it is fun) it's simply more productive when you know it.
[12:20] <Nino> Tm_T: so why did MS move from DOS to Windows?
[12:20] <Tm_T> yes
[12:21] <_ReDRuM_> you cant compare DOS to linux console
[12:21] <\sh> Nino: wait for kde4windows :)
[12:21] <Tm_T> haha
[12:21] <_ReDRuM_> DOS is an out of date crappy backwards OS from the 80s
[12:21] <Tm_T> yes
[12:21] <_ReDRuM_> linux is a powerful modern distrubtion that lets you do powerful things
[12:21] <Tm_T> and windows wasn't really any better
[12:22] <jpcl> Hi people. I just installed kubuntu.... Ok, it's very nice... However, how can I get into root? 
[12:22] <KaiL> reh
[12:22] <Nino> ddcprobe says VESA BIOS extension not detected
[12:22] <jpcl> I am not able to "su"
[12:22] <\sh> jpcl: sudo su -
[12:22] <Tm_T> actually I spen't more time tweaking and fixing my windows than my linux ever =)
[12:22] <_ReDRuM_> for instance like editing the xorg.conf file i mentioned earlier, i wanted to remove the occurances of mode lines from it such as "1024x760" so what do i do? howd i do that in dos? in linux console i just type: sed -i s'/"1024x768"//' xorg.conf
[12:22] <_ReDRuM_> and its done
[12:22] <_ReDRuM_> thats just a minor example
[12:22] <\sh> jpcl: but finally u should read the manual :) 
[12:22] <_ReDRuM_> the two are nothing alike - the only similarity between them is you type at them
[12:22] <Nino> ddcprobe says VESA BIOS extension not detected
[12:23] <Tm_T> \sh: "manual? where's that?" ;p
[12:23] <Nino> \sh?
[12:23] <jpcl> sudo su - ?!? Lol... ok..... and the password is the same as I entered into my created user, is that it? 
[12:23] <Nino> \sh: ddcprobe says VESA BIOS extension not detected
[12:23] <\sh> jpcl: man sudo
[12:23] <\sh> Tm_T: i don't know ;) 
[12:23] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[12:23] <Tm_T> =)
[12:23] <_ReDRuM_> jpcl sudo -s
[12:23] <_ReDRuM_> use that.
[12:23] <Nino> help!
[12:23] <KaiL> hmm, dualscreen + overlay doesn't work?
[12:23] <Nino> what is this?
[12:23] <Tm_T> \sh: maybe it's eatable ;)
[12:23] <Nino> \sh: ddcprobe says VESA BIOS extension not detected
[12:24] <\sh> Tm_T: sure about that ;)
[12:24] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: ... what make/model of minitor is it?
[12:24] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: it is an IIyama 19" 
[12:24] <KaiL> what's the package name for ddcclient?
[12:24] <Nino> from 1999
[12:24] <\sh> Nino: hmmmm.....i'm not a good guy for your help...I'm not using crts sind 2 years? and 2 years before, xfree was state of art and i changed modelines
[12:25] <KaiL> ah, xresprobe
[12:25] <_ReDRuM_> nino is that the exact error?
[12:25] <Nino> yes
[12:26] <KaiL> ddcprobe only tests the primary display?
[12:26] <_ReDRuM_> cause i just googled for it and seeing as ddcprobe source code is opensource you'd think it would come up with the ddcprobe source code at least as a hit :/ nobody in the world seems to have your problem with that error
[12:26] <KaiL> ..or just plain fails, as here...
[12:26] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: i should think so
[12:27] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: do you know anymore about your monitor model name than illyama 19 inch?
[12:27] <_ReDRuM_> i.e like e485s or whatever
[12:27] <_ReDRuM_> should say on the label on the back of it
[12:28] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: sorry, it required a sudo
[12:28] <_ReDRuM_> ... :P
[12:29] <jpcl> \sh: Ok, but which manual do you refer to? The kubuntu documentation seems to be a "turn ubuntu into kubuntu"
[12:29] <KaiL> grr, for my CRT I can lower the refeshrate, but not the resolution
[12:29] <\sh> jpcl: ubuntu is the basement..so think about it .
[12:29] <KaiL> opposite for the TFT ;)
[12:29] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: http://pastebin.ca
[12:29] <_ReDRuM_> dump your xorg.conf in it
[12:30] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: ddc for the TFT (on screen 0), manually set for the CRT on #1
[12:30] <\sh> anybody there who has time to test a package?
[12:30] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: well it says 1600x1200@85 :/ for 1280x1024@75 (it should support 100Hz here :/)
[12:30] <jpcl> \sh: Well, I gess it was stupid to duplicate efforts.... of course...... I'm still sleeping today, I'm sorry for asking stupid questions...
[12:31] <jpcl> \sh: blood level in my cofee is still very high today
[12:31] <_ReDRuM_> it's probably the default level
[12:31] <\sh> jpcl: well...i was working 18 hours yesterday...so forgive my sarcasm ;)
[12:31] <_ReDRuM_> scroll up a bit it should say the max somewhere else in the output
[12:31] <_ReDRuM_> alternately just do sudo dexconf
[12:31] <_ReDRuM_> and let it be done automatically
[12:31] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: anyway, the screen is at 60 Hz :///
[12:32] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: you in X now?
[12:32] <\sh> argl
[12:32] <\sh> i forgot the preview picture ;) all again fck
[12:33] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: yes
[12:34] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: open the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and paste it into http://pastebin.ca
[12:34] <_ReDRuM_> or dcc me it
[12:35] <_ReDRuM_> also paste the entire output of ddcprobe
[12:35] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: ever tried ddc + dualhead playing?
[12:35] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: i've got dualhead but only use the primary display
[12:35] <_ReDRuM_> so not really.
[12:35] <KaiL> I've just tried
[12:36] <KaiL> as far as I can see, this has several had sideeffects:
[12:36] <KaiL> - ddcprobe gets confused
[12:36] <_ReDRuM_> so just use the first heads config
[12:36] <_ReDRuM_> ill try it here
[12:36] <_ReDRuM_> since i do have two heads...
[12:36] <KaiL> - you can't change the res on #1
[12:37] <KaiL> - overlay (as in xawtv) is broken
[12:37] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: http://pastebin.ca/9389
[12:37] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: ... works for me
[12:37] <_ReDRuM_> turn the second head off and duplicate its config
[12:37] <_ReDRuM_> from the first one
[12:38] <KaiL> what works?
[12:39] <KaiL> ddcprobe: http://pastebin.ca/9390
[12:40] <KaiL> both Monitors can send valid ddc
[12:41] <_ReDRuM_> edidfail <---- it ended with that/
[12:41] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[12:41] <KaiL> yes
[12:41] <_ReDRuM_> odd
[12:41] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: did you paste your ddcprobe output yet?
[12:41] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: tried googling for edidfail ?
[12:41] <KaiL> not jet
[12:42] <_ReDRuM_> nino: i need it to check your xorg.conf is in order
[12:43] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: http://pastebin.ca/9389
[12:43] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: http://pastebin.ca/9389
[12:43] <CellarDoor> evening all
[12:43] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: thats your xorg.conf url....
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> i want your ddcprobe output too
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> hi cellar
[12:44] <KaiL> why is the mouse 'ImPS/2', not 'auto'?
[12:44] <CellarDoor> folks Im a n00b, I just installed kubuntu last night and was wondering how I set up a root password as its not in the install
[12:44] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: maybe cause its imps/2? :P
[12:44] <KaiL> Nino: there are timings set and there's a res of 1600x1200 set
[12:44] <CellarDoor> howdy ReDRuM
[12:45] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: "auto" always work, no matter what it is
[12:45] <KaiL> is used on knoppix
[12:45] <_ReDRuM_> oh right.... heh
[12:45] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: it looks weird to me cause his h/vsync dont look high enough for 100mhz
[12:45] <_ReDRuM_> im wondering if it was an interlace res
[12:45] <Nino> KaiL: the resolution is ok, but the Hz is 60 !!!
[12:46] <KaiL> imho the package should stop asking for the mouse and always use auto :)
[12:46] <KaiL> VertRefresh 50-85
[12:46] <KaiL> ...so never above 85 Hz
[12:46] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: blame dexconf not xorg :P
[12:46] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt ask
[12:46] <_ReDRuM_> just does it auto
[12:47] <_ReDRuM_> or do you mean xorg should autodetect and not have an option for it?
[12:47] <CellarDoor> I was hoping to install libdvdcss, jre etc, set up kynaptic... but I'm not gonna get far without a root password
[12:47] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: we heard you before... but you dont seem to be able to read properly and have failed to paste the output of your ddcprobe into pastebin.ca so we cant do much else until you do
[12:47] <KaiL> if you install the package, it askes for some values (at least does on stock debian)
[12:47] <KaiL> there is asked for way to much rubbish imho
[12:48] <_ReDRuM_> instead you just kept repeating your first url at me like i am hard of reading :/
[12:48] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[12:48] <KaiL> CellarDoor: enter your user pw in that dialog ;)
[12:48] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: stock debian is ghay
[12:48] <_ReDRuM_> too out of date
[12:48] <_ReDRuM_> sorry.
[12:48] <_ReDRuM_> sarge/sid yeh sure but not very stable are they...
[12:49] <KaiL> woody = software museum
[12:49] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[12:49] <KaiL> sarge = a release, which had been nice in summer 2004
[12:49] <KaiL> sid = not much better
[12:49] <_ReDRuM_> debian thinks stable is somewhere  you keep your horses cause thats how old woody is
[12:50] <CellarDoor> Debian hurties my brain, installs old stuff pfft
[12:50] <KaiL> gnome 2.8, kde 3.3.2, xfree 4.3? nice - if you are in 2004
[12:50] <Nino> hey, scrollto iiyama at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21984.html
[12:51] <KaiL> VertRefresh 43-60 must result in <=60Hz
[12:51] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: why dont you paste your ddcprobe output into pastebin too...
[12:51] <_ReDRuM_> .......
[12:52] <_ReDRuM_> cause im wondering
[12:52] <_ReDRuM_> if it just chooses default settings lower than what it should
[12:52] <_ReDRuM_> or if it really is being dumb
[12:52] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: http://pastebin.ca/9391
[12:52] <_ReDRuM_> i dont recommend just throwing random numbers into those boxes
[12:52] <_ReDRuM_> it can blow up your monitor
[12:52] <_ReDRuM_> but its your monitor :)
[12:53] <_ReDRuM_> tbh most modern monitors are sensible and turn themselves off if you set them too high
[12:53] <KaiL> interesting...
[12:53] <KaiL> 050 ctiming: 1600x1200@60
[12:53] <KaiL> 053 ctiming: 1600x1200@85
[12:53] <KaiL> ...ubuntu grabs the first..? :)
[12:54] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: i could look correct values up in my monitor handbook (as i did for several other linux distros in the past years) but i do not want to :/ ubuntu should do this itself!
[12:55] <KaiL> Nino: and it selects 1600x1200@60?
[12:55] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: unfortunately kubuntu is free software and unlike microsoft couldn't afford to pay the huge fees to use VESA DDC so the work that makes use of it is reverse engineering
[12:55] <Nino> KaiL: yes
[12:55] <_root> i don't find the pakage to install kdevelop, what it?
[12:55] <KaiL> ok
[12:55] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: ah :/
[12:55] <KaiL> could somebody with a WORKING CRT+ddc paste his results?
[12:55] <\sh> apt-get install kdevelop3
[12:56] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: it works for 99% of people - but not everyone :(
[12:56] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: i could but my monitor is shite
[12:56] <_ReDRuM_> unless you want 1024x768@85 as your res :)
[12:56] <Nino> unfortunately it does not work for my desktop nor for my sony vaio 
[12:57] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: if you have the book look up the hsymc and vsync values if theyre in there
[12:57] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: I only want to see, why ubuntu uses the first ctiming, not the last
[12:57] <SuperCatFrog> hi - does kubuntu come with the fuse patchset?
[12:58] <_ReDRuM_> Kail hold in ill paste
[12:58] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: i am already doing this. what means otion DPMS ?
[12:58] <KaiL> maybe we have a way to make this at least a bit better
[12:58] <_ReDRuM_> http://pastebin.ca/9392
[12:58] <Nino> is this energy saving=
[12:58] <Nino> ?
[12:58] <KaiL> Nino: yes
[12:58] <Nino> ok
[12:58] <_ReDRuM_> yeh dpms is power savings
[12:59] <CellarDoor> ok folks Im dumb but could I mebbe get a hint ?
[12:59] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: uhm.. uses is 1024?
[12:59] <KaiL> without any manuall work..?!?
[12:59] <_ReDRuM_> naw it defaulted to ctiming: 1280x1024@60
[12:59] <_ReDRuM_> 60mhz hurts my eyes
[12:59] <KaiL> aha..
[12:59] <CellarDoor> I don't have a root password
[12:59] <SuperCatFrog> cellardoor - sudo is your friend
[01:00] <KaiL> CellarDoor: use sudo
[01:00] <CellarDoor> yeh but it always asks me for a password
[01:00] <_ReDRuM_> CellarDoor: if you dont know how to set a root pass you shouldnt have one - use sudo :P
[01:00] <Nino> ok, how to restart X ?
[01:00] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: and 1280x1024@60 is the first 1280-mode, it ignores the later ones....:)
[01:00] <_ReDRuM_> nino+ctrl+alt+backspace should do the trick
[01:00] <CellarDoor> :/
[01:00] <_ReDRuM_> Kail - there is only one later one and it says "dtiming" not "ctiming" so presumably its different
[01:01] <KaiL> hm, right..
[01:01] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: ah :) i remembered right :)
[01:01] <_ReDRuM_> cellardoor - think about it - sudo lets you run shit as root so if you ran passwd as root what would happen.
[01:01] <KaiL> but then, why it grabs the first for Nino ?!
[01:01] <_ReDRuM_> cellardoor - if u cant work that out your better off using sudo incase you do something to damage root :P
[01:02] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: ok, monitor remains black :/ ... rebooting
[01:02] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: i dont know, i assume its because neither of your ddcprobes had monitorrange: 30-72, 50-120 <------ that
[01:02] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: it will still remain black
[01:02] <BlackLabel> how can i make the fonts look better on my kubuntu laptop?
[01:02] <_ReDRuM_> what did you do through random values in for h/vsync?
[01:02] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: not random, correct values from my monitor handbook
[01:03] <SuperCatFrog> blacklabel - use a different font, anti-alaising? 
[01:03] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: very suspect...
[01:03] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: ah
[01:03] <CellarDoor> nevermind, i figured it out myself
[01:03] <KaiL> monitorrange are the 2 values for xorg.conf?
[01:03] <Nino> hm
[01:03] <_ReDRuM_> [12:01]  <_ReDRuM_> cellardoor - think about it - sudo lets you run shit as root so if you ran passwd as root what would happen. <--- yeh he figured it out himself...
[01:04] <KaiL> lol
[01:04] <Nino> damn, it does not switch to tty 7 !
[01:04] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: so you got a console login?
[01:04] <_ReDRuM_> or another black screen
[01:04] <Nino> consle login
[01:04] <Nino> :/
[01:04] <Nino> why!?
[01:04] <_ReDRuM_> login
[01:05] <_ReDRuM_> then press alt+f7
[01:05] <_ReDRuM_> see if it will switch
[01:05] <Nino> i did , doesn t help
[01:05] <KaiL> Nino: could you try to comment out the values for HorizSync and VertRefresh at all (with # in fornt of the line)?
[01:06] <KaiL> maybe Xorg own ddc is better :)
[01:06] <_ReDRuM_> ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep X
[01:06] <_ReDRuM_> check X is running
[01:07] <Nino> uhm, ok, wait, :/ resotred old file and rebooted :/ wait a second
[01:07] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: thats not necessarily the best idea, if you left the "broken one" in place then so long as X wasnt already running
[01:07] <_ReDRuM_> you could type "startkde"
[01:07] <_ReDRuM_> and see the errors it gave
[01:07] <_ReDRuM_> might have been helpful
[01:08] <KaiL> or sudo "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" :)
[01:08] <Nino> ok, i will repeate the stuff
[01:08] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: i have to admit im not that hot with kubuntus init scripts im still a slackware hack :P
[01:09] <KaiL> "/etc/init.d/<name> restart" is valid for all debian versions ;)
[01:09] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: i didnt know it had a seperate init script for kdm
[01:09] <KaiL> as it's a daemon...:)
[01:09] <_ReDRuM_> thats normal sysv stuff - the scripts
[01:09] <_ReDRuM_> some doesnt do it that way
[01:10] <_ReDRuM_> neither gentoo nor slack does iirc
[01:10] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: gentoo does it the other way...
[01:10] <_ReDRuM_> yeh with an rc.conf
[01:10] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: /etc/init.d/xdm start/stop/restart and has the login manager setting in rc.conf
[01:12] <_ReDRuM_> heh in mephis
[01:12] <_ReDRuM_> i had to ddcprobe myself for the right config
[01:12] <_ReDRuM_> how backwards is that not even trying to autodetect
[01:13] <_ReDRuM_> or maybe it did and it just failed miserably like you guys are having trouble now :/
[01:13] <KaiL> at least TFTs are easier for DDC
[01:13] <KaiL> WAY easier :)
[01:13] <_ReDRuM_> mephis fucked up on my tft :P
[01:13] <_ReDRuM_> it didnt even install ddcprobe
[01:14] <KaiL> well, xorg has it's own ddc...
[01:14] <_ReDRuM_> it didnt work on my tft :P
[01:14] <KaiL> so NORMALLY you don't need to set anything
[01:14] <KaiL> shit-TFT?
[01:14] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[01:14] <_ReDRuM_> old
[01:14] <_ReDRuM_> has high enough refresh tho
[01:14] <_ReDRuM_> 75mhz@1024
[01:14] <KaiL> TFT doesn't even flicher at 60Hz
[01:14] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: the init.d/KDM restart reports no error
[01:15] <haggai> Nino: sorry your monitor config didn't work out of the box.  Please make sure you file a bug report (bugzilla.ubuntu.com) to make sure we can fix this
[01:15] <_ReDRuM_> any multiple of 25 above 50 is ok
[01:15] <Nino> haggai: ok
[01:15] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: dont do it that way then do it this way... can you cut and paste into that window? if your familiar with process management kill X and kdm then type startkde to see the errors
[01:15] <_ReDRuM_> haggai: unless you have a better idea?
[01:16] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: (thats with your editied xorg.conf in place)
[01:16] <haggai> _ReDRuM_: not really, I'm not very used to solving X problems
[01:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:17] <Tm_T> I use 60Hz on my both crt
[01:17] <Tm_T> no flickerin
[01:17] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: some people cant see it
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> it depends on your eyes
[01:18] <Tm_T> yep
[01:18] <Tm_T> slow ones o/
[01:18] <Tm_T> :p
[01:18] <KaiL> to much alcohol? ;))
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> nino - if you can cut/paste this will do the trick: kill -9 `ps -o cmd,pid -eww | grep 'X ' | grep -v grep | sed 's/.* \(.*\)/\1/'` `ps -o cmd,pid -Aww | grep kdm | grep -v grep | sed 's/.* \(.*\)/\1/'`
[01:18] <_ReDRuM_> otherwise ill talk u through it :P
[01:18] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: nice code =)
[01:18] <KaiL> uhm, this X sucks... brb (with only TFT)
[01:19] <Tm_T> KaiL: too much wormwood
[01:19] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: heh
[01:19] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: you should see my code to auto-download the latest slackware for a mini embedded/vps slackware build :P
[01:19] <_ReDRuM_> if you like ugly regex :P
[01:19] <Tm_T> haha
[01:19] <Tm_T> maybe later ;p
[01:20] <Tm_T> I finish this novel first ;p
[01:20] <_ReDRuM_> for i in `cat ${chroot_list_file} | sed -n '/^{\//,/}$/{s/^{//;s/,.$//;/^\/'${category}'/!d;p}' | sed 's/^\(.*\.[ta] [sg] [cz] ,\)\?\/[^/] \{1,\}\/\(.\{1,\}\)-\([^-] \{1,\}-\)\{2\}[^-] \{1,\}/\2/' | sort | uniq`; do cat ${slack_list_file} | sed 's/^<[^>] \{1,\}> <[^>] \{1,\}>\([^<] \{1,\}\)<.*$/\1/' | grep 'tgz$' | grep $i; done | sort | uniq | sed "s;^;${mirror_site}/${category}/;;p;s/$/.asc/"
[01:20] <Tm_T> xD
[01:20] <Tm_T> and that's still short one :p
[01:20] <Tm_T> KaiL: hullo :p
[01:20] <_ReDRuM_> categories=`sed -n '/^{\//,/}$/{s/{\?\/\([^/] \{1,\}\).\{1,\}/\1/;G; s/\n/&&/; /^\([ -~] *\n\).*\n\1/d; s/\n//; h; P}' ${chroot_list_file}`
[01:21] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[01:21] <Tm_T> KaiL: I scared you or what?
[01:21] <KaiL> reh
[01:22] <\sh> I'm dancing on two weddings at the same time right now
[01:22] <\sh> learning debian packaging and sending new gentoo ebuilds in..I'm crazy
[01:22] <KaiL> grr, still no overlay..?!?
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> btw
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> none of you buy ATI
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> theyre shite for linux
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[01:23] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: why? it's working here :)
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> i cant have composite
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> you cant have composite
[01:23] <\sh> i mean, i can't change it ;)
[01:23] <KaiL> and ddcprobe works now..:)
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> \sh: do you have it setup with hardware opengl?
[01:23] <KaiL> monitorrange: 31-67, 59-61
[01:23] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: yeah
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: handy
[01:23] <_ReDRuM_> \sh: turn composite on and you wont :/
[01:24] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: oh this i did a couple of times...it's slow and buggy and I don't like it...if i want to have shadows underneath my windows, i'll by an apple ;)
[01:24] <_ReDRuM_> i spent 5 hours tryin to setup my xorg.conf before i finally learned enough that composite doesnt work with ATI drivers
[01:25] <KaiL> lol
[01:25] <Nino> is there no xorg config tool!?!?!?!
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> \sh: i installed KDE to solve my longing for an apple :/
[01:25] <BlackLabel> whats an alternate msn messenger app for kde ?
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> BlackLabel: amsn
[01:25] <KaiL> with nvidia composite is like russian roulette
[01:25] <nldk> Kopete
[01:25] <\sh> BlackLabel: kopete
[01:25] <ztonzy> hi
[01:25] <Nino> is there no xorg config tool!?!?!?!
[01:25] <BlackLabel> alternate to kopete
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> kopete isnt an msn alternative its more like gaim :P
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> BlackLabel: what i said.
[01:25] <BlackLabel> yea i know, just 2 ppl said kopete
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> BlackLabel: i also use kopete
[01:25] <Lord-Phoenix> where can i find a list of kubuntu hoary repositories?
[01:25] <_ReDRuM_> but you will like amsn.
[01:26] <BlackLabel> ok
[01:26] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: yeh its automatic and already done it for you....
[01:26] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: u scared the shit out of me now ... please tell the next time that it looks like a windows app ;)
[01:26] <_ReDRuM_> your not supposed to have to edit it
[01:27] <_ReDRuM_> \sh: it looks and acts a lot more apple like than windows like :)
[01:27] <_ReDRuM_> which is a good thing
[01:27] <_ReDRuM_> mac os x > *
[01:27] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: but it looks like msn messenger ... that was scaring
[01:28] <KaiL> Nino: once there was a kxconfig
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> \sh: oh haha
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> you mean amsn :p
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> yeh ...
[01:28] <BlackLabel> _ReDRuM_: yep
[01:28] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: yeah ;)
[01:28] <KaiL> where it has gone? noone knows..
[01:28] <BlackLabel> _ReDRuM_: til i get one ill be using this :)
[01:28] <\sh> ok...now it's time to prepare coffee and have a shower
[01:28] <Lord-Phoenix> excuse me, does anyone know where i can find kubuntu hoary repositories?
[01:28] <_ReDRuM_> BlackLabel: i've stopped wanting an apple since ive been using KDE cause it does some handy things apple doesnt like fish://
[01:29] <BlackLabel> fish;;//?
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> Lord-Phoenix: in your source.list file?
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> BlackLabel: using SSH servers like idrives
[01:29] <BlackLabel> ok
[01:29] <nldk> Lord-Phoenix: Use kynpatic or synaptic 
[01:29] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: the best is it's using ssh instead of sftp ;)
[01:29] <nldk> it will do the work
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> \sh: yeh its way cool.
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> it even works when the remote system doesnt have perl
[01:29] <_ReDRuM_> tho doesnt give pretty icons
[01:30] <\sh> _ReDRuM_: better than the nautilus implementation
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> nautiwhat
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> something about gnomes...
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> they belong in the garden.
[01:30] <Lord-Phoenix> _ReDRuM_: i want to add some more sources is what i mean
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> Lord-Phoenix: i dont know if there are a lot of different sources
[01:31] <nldk> Lord-Phoenix: Isn't Universe enough?
[01:31] <KaiL> hmm, kxconfig doesn't exist any more?
[01:31] <nldk> Lord-Phoenix: sources can be added to /etc/apt/sources.list by the way
[01:31] <Lord-Phoenix> nldk: which one is universe?
[01:32] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know where i can get the kde media control from?
[01:32] <_ReDRuM_> Lord-Phoenix: enable multiverse too
[01:32] <SuperCatFrog> *kde mediacontrol kicker applet
[01:32] <_ReDRuM_> it does still exist
[01:32] <nldk> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[01:32] <nldk> ## repository.
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> i could make a half-assed deb of it if you really want it
[01:33] <nldk> Lord-Phoenix: Check the file /etc/apt/sources.list and find the following: 
[01:33] <nldk> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[01:33] <nldk> ## repository.
[01:33] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - you talking to me?
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: nope
[01:33] <BlackLabel> _ReDRuM_: i just installed amsn, its alright, if i could integrate the pretty-ness of kopete with how amsn works it will be good
[01:33] <Lord-Phoenix> i can't resolve archive.ubuntu.com
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> BlackLabel: install qt-gtk engine
[01:33] <BlackLabel> ok
[01:34] <BlackLabel> gtk?
[01:34] <SuperCatFrog> blacklabel - kopete is more integrated than amsn
[01:34] <ztonzy> does anyone have problems with write-access now and then in Kubuntu (KDE) ?? to their /home dir ?
[01:34] <BlackLabel> yea i know
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> BlackLabel: gtk is gnome tech
[01:34] <SuperCatFrog> blacklabel - ignore that last comment, i didn't read what you said properly
[01:34] <nldk> use kynaptic or synaptic
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> use neither use kpackage
[01:34] <nldk> or kpackage
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> kpackage is much better
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> annoyed me that removing it also removed kubuntu-desktop
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> (kynaptic)
[01:35] <nldk> kynaptic is not very good. However, it's installed ny default
[01:35] <KaiL> kpackage only eats RAM like hell
[01:36] <nldk> synaptic does the trick for me
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: i never noticed
[01:37] <KaiL> I use apt too
[01:38] <nldk> Anyone having problems with KDE session hang ups at "Initializing system services"
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> handy - theres an expert here :P
[01:38] <nldk> not very long... :-)
[01:39] <nldk> noone?
[01:39] <KaiL> do you want 89 "me not" now, or just silence? :)
[01:40] <nldk> lol
[01:40] <nldk> I guess the silence is enough...
[01:42] <Tm_T> UAAAAH!
[01:42] <Tm_T> damn I'm tired
[01:42] <_ReDRuM_> goto bed :P
[01:43] <nldk> what time is it?
[01:43] <Tm_T> 1444
[01:43] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: ok, i forgot to add the *new* name of the monitor to the screen section. now the new config file works. i also updated the md5sum as it is described in the beginning of the config file... is this a good idea`
[01:43] <Nino> ?
[01:43] <KaiL> 43 more :)
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> md5sum for an xorg.conf?
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> it wont hurt but sounds redundant to me
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> mine doesnt mention md5sums...
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> Nino: perhaps you could post in your bug report to ubuntu what settings you used and the output of your ddcprobe/what monitor you got
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> maybe help someone else coming in from having the same bad expeirnece you did
[01:45] <Nino> ok
[01:46] <Nino> what is the urle
[01:46] <Nino> ?
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> [12:15]  <haggai> Nino: sorry your monitor config didn't work out of the box. Please make sure you file a bug report (bugzilla.ubuntu.com) to make sure we can fix this
[01:46] <SuperCatFrog> ive installed amarok-xine but amarok still lists only <no engine> under the output engine
[01:46] <Nino> hm :/ still no 100 Hz in 1280x1024 :/ only 85 :/
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> turn it down to 75
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> see if its better
[01:47] <incubii> is there a way to make middle mouse button close a tab in konq, like you can in firefox ?
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> it might be depends on your eyes
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> multiples of 25 work better for a lot of people
[01:47] <Nino> 85 is ok :/ whatever i would prefere 100 ;)
[01:47] <incubii> SuperCatFrog, amarok-engines
[01:47] <SuperCatFrog> ta
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> cause your eyes see in about 25
[01:47] <incubii> i had the same problem but i installed all of them and xine showed up :)
[01:47] <sorin> How do you launch some of the komponents of KDE.  Sometimes the taskbar crashes.  Now, my desktop crashed.  I can't see icons.
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> sorin kicker launches the "taskbar"
[01:48] <SuperCatFrog> incubii - still no
[01:48] <sorin> what about the deskop
[01:48] <incubii> i know this is a stupid question but have you quite amarok and reloaded it ?
[01:49] <incubii> quit*
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know my desktop never crashed
[01:49] <SuperCatFrog> sorin - alt+f2 i think for krun, kdesktop is the desktop, kicker is the taskbar
[01:49] <SuperCatFrog> incubii - yes
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> ltos of people have trouble with amorak
[01:49] <incubii> its great when it works
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> yeh heh
[01:50] <incubii> but ive never had a problem with installing all engines
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> amorak/nicotine
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> good combination :)
[01:50] <SuperCatFrog> i'l try removing everything and installing it again
[01:50] <incubii> whats nicotine
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> soulseek client
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> good one
[01:50] <incubii> ah
[01:50] <incubii> no good on my dialup
[01:51] <_ReDRuM_> heh nope they are nazis and will ban you constantly
[01:51] <sorin> supercatfrog tanks
[01:51] <SuperCatFrog> s'ok
[01:51] <SuperCatFrog> now ive just got arts
[01:51] <sorin> for some reason though ctr+alt+f1-7 don't work.  Neither does crl+alt+backspace
[01:52] <SuperCatFrog> brb
[01:53] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: ok, next problem: my pc has two soundcards, where can i switch the default soundcard?
[01:53] <nldk> nino - try your BIOS, that's the easiest way
[01:53] <nldk> (that's what I did..)
[01:53] <Nino> one is onboard, one is PCI.
[01:53] <Nino> cant turn it of
[01:54] <incubii> hmm doesnt virtual desktops support pasting between each other ?
[01:54] <Nino> where to set up what sound card is used by KDE?
[01:54] <KaiL> onboard is also PCI :)
[01:54] <nldk> Strange bios - normally you should be able to disable it
[01:54] <_ubuntu> hey. how i can open up a file browser?
[01:55] <nldk> Control Center - Sound & Multimedia - Sound System - Hardware
[01:55] <nldk> Here you choose what card to use
[01:56] <Lord-Phoenix> i've got a problem: kde doesn't recognise my root password whenever i try to access any configuration stuff
[01:57] <SuperCatFrog> back
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> Lord-Phoenix: bug in kde
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> use sudo to run kcontrol
[01:58] <Lord-Phoenix> ahh...its working now that i installed sux....
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> sux?
[01:58] <Lord-Phoenix> sux - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> handy
[01:58] <nldk> wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials
[01:59] <SuperCatFrog> whats the tool used in ubuntu to handle packages
[01:59] <Lord-Phoenix> before that it wouldn't give me access to the display....sux created an Xauthority file for me so i don't think i need it now
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> so now it works automatically?
[01:59] <Lord-Phoenix> i believe so
[01:59] <_P_> i use  sux 
[01:59] <nldk> synaptic
[01:59] <_P_> and  i  love it
[01:59] <SuperCatFrog> ta
[01:59] <_P_> :)
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> doesnt work for me
[02:00] <_P_> i am  still  no gay :D
[02:00] <_P_> why  not _ReDRuM_ ?
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> how should i know wtf not
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> it just doesnt work :)
[02:00] <_P_> did  you  create  a  root passwd?
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> err... 
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> yeh :)
[02:01] <Lord-Phoenix> _ReDRuM_: why doesn't it work?
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> Lord-Phoenix: you tell me you said it would :P
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> i installed sux
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> fired up kcontrol from the menu
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> clicked on font admin
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> entered root pass
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> "invalid password"
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> same as always
[02:01] <Lord-Phoenix> _ReDRuM_: no i mean i could just 'su' and be able to run things now
[02:01] <_P_> _ReDRuM_:   sux  is  only  a  replace with X  of  su 
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> whats the difference between that and su -p
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[02:02] <Lord-Phoenix> _ReDRuM_: before when i did a 'su' and ran something it would say something like cannot connect to screen :0:0
[02:02] <SuperCatFrog> in synaptic, only amarok and amarok-arts have the ubuntu logo next to them, the rest of the engines dont, even though they are installed
[02:02] <Lord-Phoenix> ok, when i close my laptop screen it turns off the display to the monitor i have hooked up.....is there any way to stop this?
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> Lord-Phoenix: try doing su -p
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> works for me...
[02:04] <KaiL> "sux"? nice app name....
[02:04] <_P_> KaiL:  :D
[02:04] <nldk> well, obviously it sux
[02:04] <_ReDRuM_> nldk: hehe
[02:04] <nldk> bit corny
[02:04] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well liked the distro just not ready with enough repos :[
[02:05] <KaiL> sux sux, because it is sux? ;)
[02:05] <_ReDRuM_> nldk: but corny in a disparaging fashion which makes it that much more funny :)
[02:05] <nldk> btw, I have no problems with the sudo stuff in KDE (my root is disabled)
[02:05] <nldk> exactly
[02:05] <_ReDRuM_> nldk: su normally wipes out the environment thats why they had probs with it
[02:05] <_ReDRuM_> but if you su -p it doesnt
[02:06] <Lord-Phoenix> the kubuntu install was a bit random....so good yet so broken
[02:06] <cdickman> anyone had problems with qemu/tapdevices on kubuntu?
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> Lord-Phoenix: it's still better than any other distro apart from maybe slack :)
[02:06] <nldk> ok - I wasn't following the whole conversation. I'll stop barging in...
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> and slack is an administrative nightmare
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> too manual
[02:07] <Lord-Phoenix> _ReDRuM_: yes and no...the fact that all the repository urls had a . in front of them 
[02:07] <Lord-Phoenix> was pretty annoying
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> Lord-Phoenix: erm... mine worked out the box... that is random
[02:07] <Lord-Phoenix> amarok was installed, but no engines were
[02:07] <nldk> both (k)ubuntu are fantastic!
[02:07] <Lord-Phoenix> on first boot, network didn't work at all
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> my armorak came able to play mp3, wma, etc
[02:07] <Lord-Phoenix> neither did my usb keyboard
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> scam :/
[02:07] <nldk> package management has never been easier
[02:07] <SuperCatFrog> is there anyway to tell amarok where to find the xine plugin?
[02:07] <Lord-Phoenix> 2nd boot, pretty much everything worked tho
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> guess i was just lucky
[02:08] <Lord-Phoenix> mind you, this IS an HP laptop which makes things a bit funky anyway....but it played fairly nicely with mandrake
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> rpm
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> really poor manager :)
[02:08] <nldk> I installed ubuntu on appr. 10 different machines and had only few problems
[02:09] <Lord-Phoenix> RPM is GOD
[02:09] <_ReDRuM_> rpm sucks horribly :P
[02:09] <_ReDRuM_> apt owns it
[02:09] <Lord-Phoenix> it can't be the devil, because if RPM was the devil, it would be terribly addictive ;P
[02:09] <_ReDRuM_> rofl
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> aye there's truth in that.
[02:11] <GoD-vs-SaTaN> fear me.
[02:13] <Nino> _ReDRuM_: thx for all your help, bye :)
[02:13] <_ReDRuM_> you pretty much did it on your own
[02:13] <_ReDRuM_> cya
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> kail: by typing /nick <nickname>
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[02:14] <KaiL> falling on their keyboard? :)
[02:15] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[02:15] <nldk> lol
[02:15] <incubii> hmm can you have more then on python class in the same file ?
[02:15] <_ReDRuM_> cat /dev/urandom </nick
[02:15] <nldk> spilling their coke, i guess
[02:15] <SuperCatFrog> kail - my nick comes from a short story i thought up and told my gf as a bedtime story, for a joke
[02:16] <nldk> well, "nl" stands for the Netherlands and "dk" for Denmark
[02:17] <nldk> but who cares?
[02:17] <KaiL> ..and you sit somewhere between? :)
[02:17] <nldk> really?
[02:17] <nldk> ;-)
[02:17] <nldk> No I was born in one and live in the other
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> Qt: 3.3.3
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> KDE: 3.4.0
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> kde-config: 1.0
[02:17] <SuperCatFrog> once upon a time, there was a cat. it was walking through the park and it walked under a tree. as it was passing the tree there was a strong gust of wind, and a frog fell out of the tree and landed on the cats back. the frog grew a small cape and the two were bound together. the (now) supercatfrog flew off into the sky. They were flying round and they saw a dog who the cat new, called tara. somebody was being mean to tar
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> sorry... playing with konversation :)
[02:18] <SuperCatFrog> thats the story behind my name
[02:18] <SuperCatFrog> *who the cat knew
[02:19] <nldk> I'd rather use my first name but that one's already used
[02:19] <nldk> in use that us
[02:19] <SuperCatFrog> i used to use mBob (my name is bob) but that sounded too much like m-bop - the hanson 'song'
[02:20] <KaiL> yes, chances for unused nicks are small on freenode...
[02:20] <KaiL> esp. on common names
[02:20] <incubii> yes i use to call myself Mephisto since the days of bbc, except it became way to common :)
[02:21] <nldk> incubii - the deamon (not daemon...)
[02:21] <nldk> is there a succubii too?
[02:21] <incubii> only if i play a female character in a game
[02:21] <incubii> unles syou are refering to my GF
[02:21] <incubii> :P
[02:22] <KaiL> *g*
[02:22] <incubii> incubi , is the correct plural but incubii looks better
[02:22] <incubii> :)
[02:22] <nldk> i didn't know there were more than one...
[02:22] <nldk> besides the being the deamon - it's a good rockband too
[02:23] <incubii> well there must be if they needed a plural of the word, lol
[02:23] <nldk> that's the start of a nice discussion - which probably doesn't belong here
[02:23] <nldk> ;-)
[02:24] <incubii> heh
[02:24] <incubii> i have a name for the next ubuntu
[02:24] <jenton> hey y'all just installed kubuntu 5.04 - very nice - everything "just works" - right down to the printer
[02:24] <incubii> "Winnie the Pooh"
[02:24] <incubii> :))
[02:24] <jenton> kudos to all involved
[02:25] <KaiL> jenton: additional mouse buttons?
[02:25] <incubii> glad yours worked out of the box(cd)
[02:25] <incubii> :P
[02:25] <KaiL> (ok, bad joke, they can't be autodetected..)
[02:25] <jenton> only two buttons - but scroll wheel does work
[02:26] <nldk> so, how can we help you jenton?
[02:26] <ftugrul> anyone using ATI Radeon with fglrx drivers with Kubuntu please?
[02:26] <KaiL> nldk: the mouse? ;)
[02:27] <nldk> what mouse?
[02:27] <Lord-Phoenix> shit...now i gotta redownload java :(
[02:27] <KaiL> nldk: his buttons :)
 jenton: additional mouse buttons? <jenton> only two buttons - but scroll wheel does work
[02:27] <nldk> errr... huh,huh
[02:28] <nldk> well, I only have 2 buttons too
[02:28] <KaiL> it is possible
[02:28] <nldk> and a wheel!
[02:28] <SuperCatFrog> any last suggestions for my amarok-xine problem before i have to compile from source?
[02:28] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: what's wrong with it?
[02:29] <SuperCatFrog> kail - amarok doesn't let me use xine as an output plugin even after i installed amarok-engines (and restarted amarok)
[02:30] <nldk> nice program
[02:30] <incubii> cant think of anything else though SuperCatFrog 
[02:31] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know how it was compiled (im starting to miss gentoo where i knew everythings compile options)
[02:32] <KaiL> ....Dream Dance 1-34 (more or less..) on hd, so this might take a while...
[02:33] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> downloading kde for ubuntu through apt-get... is it easy to convert ubuntu to kubuntu ?
[02:33] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> or should I just download the iso ?
[02:34] <pointwood> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:34] <pointwood> http://kubuntu.org/documentation.php#d0e123
[02:34] <KaiL> hmm, at "engines" is only a blank one, which...
[02:34] <nldk> just keep in mind that you in that case will run both gnome and kde along side
[02:34] <KaiL> ...doesn't work
[02:35] <nldk> with all the programs in the menus
[02:35] <nldk> i mean - gnome progs in kde menu and vice versa
[02:37] <incubii> amarok-engines works fine for mine, installed all the engines available to amarok
[02:37] <KaiL> incubii: can you select xine?
[02:37] <incubii> yes
[02:38] <incubii> xine,arts and gstreamer is available
[02:38] <KaiL> uhm, lol
[02:39] <Lord-Phoenix> does kubuntu have gstreamer mp3 support? if so, what part of gstreamer do i need?
[02:39] <KaiL> amarok-arts installed. result: xine visible, arts not
[02:39] <incubii> lol
[02:39] <incubii> Lord-Phoenix, by installing amarok-engines you will get streamer support
[02:39] <incubii> of course you could just install the gstreamer bits
[02:40] <KaiL> ...and now I even see arts there
[02:40] <incubii> but a fresh install does not support mp3 playback from what ive gathered
[02:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I think slowly linux distros will be phazing mp3 support out as mp3 is not free 
[02:40] <Lord-Phoenix> incubii: i have gstreamer support, but in amarok it say s gstreamer can't play mp3s
[02:40] <incubii> well i can play mp3s off my ipod fine
[02:40] <KaiL> removing amarok-arts again (as it's unused..)
[02:41] <KaiL> now I can still select xine 
[02:41] <KaiL> ..which still doesn't work...
[02:42] <KaiL> reinstalling arts ;)
[02:42] <incubii> man im glad i didnt have that much trouble on my PPC this time
[02:42] <SuperCatFrog> all i see is arts and null
[02:43] <KaiL> "There was an error loading libamarokarts" hmm
[02:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> brb rebooting for kde to take effect
[02:45] <KaiL> no, amarok doesn't like me
[02:45] <SuperCatFrog> amarok in kubuntu doesn't like me either
[02:47] <KaiL> uhm, wrong
[02:47] <SuperCatFrog> whats wrong?
[02:47] <KaiL> Dream Dance 29 CD2 doesn't like me - some 0 byte files there
[02:47] <Lord-Phoenix> i wish i was in gentoo right now....that would mean that my motherboard wasn't broken :(
[02:48] <Silensius> abbas@cable-195-162-223-114:~$ sudo -s -H abbas
[02:48] <Silensius> abbas is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[02:49] <Silensius> sudo -s -H abbas
[02:49] <Silensius>   after this command i have the result what i send up
[02:49] <Tm_T> =)
[02:49] <Silensius> why :) ?
[02:49] <Tm_T> abbas is not the first uesr?
[02:50] <Silensius> yes it is
[02:50] <Tm_T> eh
[02:50] <KaiL> ha, now it works
[02:50] <SuperCatFrog> kail - you got xine output working?
[02:50] <Tm_T> KaiL: what?
[02:50] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: yes
[02:50] <Tm_T> xine yuk
[02:50] <SuperCatFrog> how?
[02:50] <Tm_T> mplayer <3
[02:50] <SuperCatFrog> tm_t - for amarok output, dont tell me you use arts or i'l shun you
[02:51] <SuperCatFrog> like this:
[02:51] <Tm_T> SuperCatFrog: no I'm not telling you that
[02:51] <KaiL> well, I've just selected xine (is that possible for you?), and tried a *non* 0Byte-file :)
[02:51] <SuperCatFrog> kail - its not in the list in amarok for me
[02:51] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: can you select xine?
[02:52] <SuperCatFrog> kail - if you mean from amarok's select an output engine window, no
[02:52] <SuperCatFrog> thats my problem - it doesn't show up in the list
[02:52] <Tm_T> Silensius: did you enabled root password ?
[02:52] <Silensius> yes
[02:52] <incubii> im playing through the xine engine right this minute
[02:52] <KaiL> if not: install amarok-arts, start amarok, select xine, try, remove tha arts-shit, wonder,
[02:52] <Tm_T> Silensius: then use it
[02:53] <incubii> i didnt do anything other then install amarok-engines from fresh kubuntu ppc install
[02:53] <Silensius> ok i try
[02:53] <Tm_T> =)
[02:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> followed the steps for integrating kde into ubuntu but I still get the gnome desktop but I do get kdm for login 
[02:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> think I'll just download kubuntu
[02:54] <SuperCatFrog> pop-pa-freak - from kdm click sessions > kde
[02:55] <nldk> Pop_pa: when you login - you should choose your session
[02:55] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ahhh ok that's what I did wrong 
[02:55] <Tm_T> =)
[02:55] <Tm_T> heh
[02:55] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thanx for the help 
[02:55] <Tm_T> "what, I can choose??!" ;p
[02:55] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I'm still going to grab kubuntu anyways for a backup
[02:55] <Tm_T> heh
[02:55] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Tm_T, :p
[02:55] <SuperCatFrog> xine still isn't in my outputs list
[02:55] <Tm_T> just joking ;p
[02:56] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol np 
[02:56] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> we're all a community here so joking is allowed
[02:56] <incubii> hmm i dont like that theres no updates to anything
[02:56] <incubii> just because theres a release shouldnt stop dev
[02:57] <SuperCatFrog> pop_pa_freak - as is shunning:
[02:58] <SuperCatFrog> incubii - apparently now its released we're only getting security updates, and you have to add the next distro to your sources list when its announced
[02:59] <incubii> fair enough
[02:59] <incubii> ill just switch 
[02:59] <incubii> :D
[02:59] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> man kubuntu loads kde faster then suse
[02:59] <incubii> on my work box that is
[02:59] <nldk> kubuntu rocks
[03:00] <incubii> kubuntu makes you its bitch
[03:00] <SuperCatFrog> suprisingly, kubuntu seems faster than my heavily optimised kde with prelinking
[03:00] <SuperCatFrog> but i might just be seeing through the "new shiney distro" rose glasses
[03:00] <SuperCatFrog> *heavily optimised gentoo with prelinking
[03:00] <incubii> prelinking killed my openoffice
[03:00] <SuperCatFrog> never given me any problems
[03:01] <incubii> lol i dont care though caus ei have office 2003 on my windows box
[03:01] <SuperCatFrog> incubii - there's an undo option to prelink- do man prelink
[03:02] <brutuli> Hi all
[03:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> how does one update grub loader ?
[03:03] <incubii> ok doin that now
[03:03] <incubii> hope it works
[03:03] <SuperCatFrog> use grub - im not sure of the commands, you'l have to google for those (there's good docs at gentoo.org though)
[03:03] <nldk> update-grub
[03:03] <nldk> sudo update-grub that is
[03:03] <brutuli> Kde doesn't render correctly the fonts, anybody knows what's the problem?
[03:04] <incubii> renders mine fine
[03:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> nldk, that's it ? no other configuration ?
[03:04] <incubii> got a screen shot ?
[03:04] <SuperCatFrog> brutuli - make the screenshot a high quality png, or the fonts will look crap anyway
[03:04] <nldk> Pop: it depends on what you want to do
[03:04] <incubii> yay that fixed the problem SuperCatFrog 
[03:05] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> just update it to a newer version but keep same settings 
[03:05] <incubii> well sort of
[03:05] <incubii> now it loads half way
[03:05] <incubii> lol
[03:05] <brutuli> SuperCatFrog OK, but how can I do it? 
[03:06] <nldk> even though you update grub, the settings don't have to change
[03:06] <nldk> what settings should change?
[03:06] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok kewl will try it out
[03:06] <SuperCatFrog> brutuli - ksnapshot or something like that, then press save and choose png
[03:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> nldk, have you seen the look of suse 9.2 grub ?
[03:08] <nldk> nope
[03:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> its more graphic 
[03:08] <nldk> ok - I've seen Mandrake's. I know what you mean
[03:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> like to get grub looking lke that
[03:09] <nldk> I haven't looked at changing grub to something graphical in ubuntu
[03:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok I'll look on the web
[03:09] <nldk> it's on my list - but very long down
[03:10] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thanx for the help that you have given 
[03:10] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> nldk, you got an ati card ?
[03:10] <nldk> nope
[03:11] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok i'll look in the forums 
[03:11] <nldk> goog luck
[03:11] <nldk> *good
[03:12] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thank you
[03:19] <fred> join /#velug
[03:19] <SuperCatFrog> argh! why would: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[03:20] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:21] <SuperCatFrog> ta
[03:21] <SuperCatFrog> x includes?
[03:22] <fred> hello, has anyone installed mplayer?
[03:22] <SuperCatFrog> me
[03:22] <fred> would you mind explaining how?
[03:23] <skaman> hi guys anyone experiencing the konqueror crashes?
[03:23] <skaman> i'm experiencing crashes on all system and alla apps
[03:23] <fred> konqueror has been rock solid stable on my box
[03:24] <SuperCatFrog> fred-  i added a repository, cant remember which one - search for mplayer on apt-get.org
[03:24] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - which package contains x includes?
[03:24] <fred> ok, thanks for the tip... will do
[03:24] <KaiL> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main << for mplayer (and other like that)
[03:24] <fred> oh there it is
[03:25] <fred> what about the gui for mplayer?
[03:25] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: I don't know - my guess is you need the x-window-system-dev package or similar (I'm not a coder)
[03:25] <KaiL> kplayer or kmplayer - should be there too
[03:25] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - neither am i, i just want amarok and mythtv cvs
[03:26] <fred> hmm never used kplayer... is it good? I like mplayer a lot
[03:26] <thoreauputic> x-window-system-dev - X Window System development components  << this helped me with building X related stuff
[03:26] <SuperCatFrog> ta
[03:26] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: for what amarok cvs?
[03:27] <SuperCatFrog> kail - i needed the xincludes (in x-window-system-dev) to build amarok from cvs
[03:27] <KaiL> yes.. but why from cvs?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: I suggest 2 things 1) see if you can get a list of needed libs from the web site or the README etc 2) Use apt-cache search <keyword from configure> or whatever spits an error out
[03:28] <SuperCatFrog> just thought i might as well try it out
[03:28] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - ok thanks
[03:28] <amadeus> apt-get install lame --> doesn't work what can I do?
[03:28] <SuperCatFrog> amadeus - apt-get.org - search for lame and add the repository
[03:28] <thoreauputic> amadeus: you need universe and multiverse repositories
[03:29] <amadeus> where can I get them
[03:29] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: that's rather bad advice - this isn't debian
[03:29] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - ok
[03:29] <SuperCatFrog> brb
[03:29] <thoreauputic> amadeus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:30] <amadeus> thanx and merci!
[03:30] <thoreauputic> amadeus: and www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:30] <thoreauputic> de rien :)
[03:31] <thoreauputic> tu sais qu'il y a un canal #ubuntu-fr ?
[03:32] <Riddell>  /list #ubuntu-fr
[03:32] <Riddell> #ubuntu-fr 61 Des questions ? http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/
[03:32] <Riddell> tres popular
[03:32] <thoreauputic> et aussi #ubuntu-de si tu n'est pas Suisse Romand
[03:33] <incubii> sweet go an amarok python display script for xchat
[03:33] <incubii> :D
[03:33] <Riddell> thoreauputic: qu'est ce c'est Suisse Romand?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> la Suisse Romande, c'est la Suisse Francophone
[03:34] <thoreauputic> Geneve , Neuchatel etc je crois
[03:37] <thoreauputic> Riddell: You're a Scot, are you not?
[03:39] <Riddell> thoreauputic: oui, c'est vrai
[03:39] <thoreauputic> ah, bon, je ne l'imaginais pas :)
[03:40] <thoreauputic> umm.. actually that's bad French, sorry 
[03:40] <thoreauputic> Franglais
[03:40] <thoreauputic> mine I mean :)
[03:41] <amadeus> und was isch mit schwizerdtsch?
[03:41] <incubii> chin chin o tabemuska?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> amadeus: sorry, i lived in Geneva so Swiss German isn't my strong point :)
[03:42] <amadeus> gonitschwa?
[03:42] <amadeus> gonitschiwa sorry
[03:43] <thoreauputic> heheh - I'm only semi-bilingual. except for a smattereing of simple Fijian ;)
[03:43] <incubii> i speak english, perl, pascal, batch
[03:43] <incubii> :P
[03:43] <_user> :)
[03:44] <thoreauputic> incubii: :)
[03:45] <incubii> booya
[03:45] <incubii> cool python script
[03:46] <fred> Kail: kynaptic shows me mplayer, but it does nothing when I tell it to install it
[03:47] <KaiL> try manually - maybe kynaptic sucks because of the gpg stuff
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> incubii: u mean bash not batch, huh ?
[03:47] <fred> I did, but it does not work either... it gives dependency errors
[03:48] <fred> mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[03:48] <fred> Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[03:49] <incubii> no batch
[03:49] <incubii> as in dos/windows
[03:49] <incubii> i can do bash also
[03:49] <thoreauputic> fred: looks like your sources are messed up
[03:50] <fred> ?
[03:50] <fred> how did they get messed up?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> fred: did you follow a howto on setting up repositories?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> do you have universe and multiverse ?
[03:51] <fred> I'm just using the ones that come by default in sourcers.apt, I have only added the one for mplayer
[03:51] <fred> yes, I did uncomment the lines for universe too
[03:52] <thoreauputic> fred: ah, well you need a bit more I think: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <fred> ok let me see
[03:52] <thoreauputic> and make sure you reload/ sudo apt-get update
[03:53] <fred> should I run that command now?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> not until you fix your repositories
[03:53] <fred> ok
[03:54] <thoreauputic> you will need multiverse for mplayer I think - read the wiki
[03:54] <fred> I'm going to read it carefully... thanks for your help!
[03:54] <fred> Kubuntu rocks! :)
[03:55] <thoreauputic> fred: :)
[03:55] <thoreauputic> www.ubuntuguide.org is another good resource
[03:56] <fred> yes, I am familiar with that one
[03:56] <amadeus> and witch do you use as a MULTIVERSE repository?
[03:57] <amadeus> bonjour?
[04:01] <SuperCatFrog> how do i install a .deb i have downloaded (opera from opera.com)
[04:01] <SuperCatFrog> unless somebody knows where i can apt-get opera from
[04:02] <fred> SuperCat: you have to use the dpkg command... (dont remember the exact syntax)
[04:02] <SuperCatFrog> thanks
[04:03] <SuperCatFrog> another question, does anybody know how to get xosd to work with kmix? or is it a compile time option?
[04:04] <Jefis> How to change KDE charset?
[04:07] <mdpolaris> I have gotten most of Kubuntu working great, but i'm having trouble with the wireless configuration editor in Control Center.  I can make all the changes I want, but it only uses the settings in /etc/network/interfaces  and it doesn't seem to update that as well.  Anyone else see that problem?
[04:09] <nldk> I have the same problem
[04:09] <nldk> I stopped using the WLAN setting in Control Center
[04:10] <nldk> and only use /etc/network
[04:10] <mdpolaris> cool...I wonder if it's an official bug
[04:10] <nldk> dunno
[04:11] <BlackLabel> when i close the lid of my laptop the screen goes blank... how do i back to kde?
[04:11] <nldk> mdpolaris, what wireless nic do you use?
[04:12] <mdpolaris> i have a broadcom g band (i forget the exact info), but i have to use ndiswrappers
[04:12] <mdpolaris> it's integrated into my presario 2175 laptop
[04:13] <nldk> ok
[04:13] <mdpolaris> are you using ndiswrappers for your drivers as well?
[04:14] <nldk> I have several machines running with wlan
[04:14] <nldk> on some I use ndiswrapper
[04:15] <nldk> some are autodetected
[04:15] <nldk> and on some i needed to get a driver from sourceforge
[04:16] <mdpolaris> and none of them work with the control center wireless?  Well i feel better it's not just me  hehehe
[04:16] <mdpolaris> i found the exact card BTW, BCM43pcg_DeviceDesc="Broadcom 54g MaxPerformance 802.11g PCMCIA"
[04:16] <nldk> none of them....
[04:17] <_hayden> when i close the lid of my laptop the screen goes blank, how do i make it go back to kde (or not make the screen blank in the first place)>
[04:19] <mdpolaris> hayden, i have had that happen before...somtimes it comes back right away other times a little longer and soimetimes doesn't seem to comeback at all
[04:20] <mdpolaris> what worked for me sometimes was to switch to a console  ctrl+alt+F2  and back to the xserver ctrl+alt+F7
[04:20] <BlackLabel> hmm ok
[04:23] <fred> the how-to for addidng MULTIUNIVERSE is not available... does anyone knows what I need to add to my sources.list ?
[04:24] <amadeus> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[04:24] <fred> thanks
[04:24] <amadeus> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[04:25] <fred> ok let me try it
[04:26] <amadeus> and apt-get update
[04:27] <leafw> Hi. Does anyone know how to add a "print" action to the konqueror contextual menu
[04:29] <fred> amadeus: look what I get
[04:30] <fred> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[04:30] <Tm_T> fred: so get the public key
[04:30] <fred> hmmm ok let me look into that
[04:31] <linkin> _reDRuM_: You has tell me, that I've to change my xorg.conf, right?
[04:31] <linkin> -has +have
[04:32] <edulix> hi !
[04:33] <Roey> hi
[04:38] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:38] <SuperCatFrog> hi - anybody know where i can get taglib-devel from? ive searched apt-get.org
[04:39] <Tm_T> try sourceforge.net, I think a taglib is a project there
[04:39] <SuperCatFrog> ta
[04:40] <fred> ok, I added marillat and multiuniverse, but keep getting the dependency problem
[04:40] <fred> mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:41] <fred> Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[04:43] <Tm_T> fred: so take older version of mplayer then
[04:44] <fred> hmmm it looks to me like mplayer is too old for the libs installed
[04:45] <fred> not the other way around
[04:55] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know where to get xine-config from?
[04:56] <azad> hi.. are the ubuntu.com apt servers outdated/broken somehow? i don't get any update for apt-get since several days
[04:58] <Tm_T> azad: hah, they don't update if there's nothing to update :p
[04:58] <azad> mm but that's quite unusual isn't it? i'm using hoary btw.
[04:58] <Tm_T> err
[04:59] <SuperCatFrog> azad - no more updates except security now
[04:59] <Tm_T> yes, and it sucks
[04:59] <StR> hi there!
[04:59] <SuperCatFrog> azad - wait until the next distro is announced (cant remember what its called) and add that to your sources
[04:59] <SuperCatFrog> hello
[04:59] <azad> hm.. hoary won't get any further updates?
[04:59] <Aruviel> Hello. Is  it "Breezy" the next development version?
[04:59] <Tm_T> nope
[04:59] <Tm_T> that's it :/
[05:00] <azad> i see
[05:00] <SuperCatFrog> yep - breezy
[05:00] <kkathman> thats why its called "stable" - its a pretty common concept
[05:00] <azad> thanks, where can i find out when it's new
[05:00] <azad> erm.. when there's something new
[05:00] <kkathman> that doesnt mean, tho, that programs arent being updated, such as gaim etc
[05:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: but it's already old version :p
[05:01] <kkathman> you just have to subscribe to various newsfeeds or whatever to know when those are available
[05:01] <SuperCatFrog> azad - i dunno, ive just added breezy now, but im not sure if its gonna work
[05:01] <SuperCatFrog> didn't work
[05:01] <azad> mhh okay, thanks
[05:01] <kkathman> Tm_T: the gaim in hoary is an older version, but stable
[05:01] <brutuli> Hi all, I'm here again, (with myne problems)
[05:01] <azad> I think i'll have a close look at the ubuntu page
[05:02] <Tm_T> kkathman: I rather use newest version, there's bugfixes etc :p
[05:02] <kkathman> Tm_T: The best thing to do, is use Kontact and subscribe to KDE news feeds and see whats being updated individually
[05:03] <kkathman> Tm_T: yep you can get gaim, for instance, from the sourceforge vault - I compiled the newest last night in fact
[05:03] <Tm_T> kkathman: I used that autopackage, really easy one =)
[05:04] <SuperCatFrog> tm_t - how do you use autopackage? ive heard a lot about it, but not how to use it
[05:05] <kkathman> Tm_T: yep thats a good one for sure..you got that from sourceforge too right?
[05:05] <Tm_T> SuperCatFrog: just try it ;p http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim/gaim-1.2.1.x86.package?download
[05:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes
[05:06] <kkathman> I did it the hard way...went to the gaim.sf.net home page and downloaded the source :)
[05:06] <kkathman> welll not that hard actually
[05:06] <Tm_T> not
[05:07] <Tm_T> compiling is normally quite easy
[05:07] <SuperCatFrog> anybody know how to install the kde media control?
[05:07] <Tm_T> you don't have it?
[05:07] <SuperCatFrog> no, its not listed under applets
[05:07] <SuperCatFrog> oh wait
[05:07] <Tm_T> I bet it is
[05:07] <SuperCatFrog> it is, i must have missed it this morning (not enough caffine)
[05:07] <Tm_T> heh
[05:08] <Tm_T> speaking of it, gotta buy some food ->
[05:08] <SuperCatFrog> foods for women - just lick the mould behind the fridge
[05:08] <SuperCatFrog> brb bru
[05:10] <azad> hm Tm_T: howto install that autopackage?
[05:10] <brutuli> Where kde takes the right DPI? In which configuration file? In gnome all is fine but in kde the fonts and icons dimensions are totally different
[05:11] <membreya> brutuli: go to your control center
[05:11] <membreya> and change the fonts
[05:11] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: On my first cup right now...partly unconcious so if I say something that doesnt make sense or repeat repeat myself, please disregard
[05:12] <brutuli> membreya ok here I am
[05:12] <membreya> personally, I took mine all down to about 10
[05:12] <Chameleon22> how would i go about manually (via a console)  burning a dvd iso?
[05:13] <brutuli> membreya I have changed the fonts, i took all down to 8, but in some application they are gigant
[05:13] <SuperCatFrog> back with bru
[05:14] <Tm_T> membreya: my all fonts are size 8 =) 
[05:14] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - my gf has to goto the hospital and have her blood taken first thing in the morning, before she's eaten or drunk anything, and she's making me not eat or drink too just to be mean
[05:14] <SuperCatFrog> *in a few days
[05:14] <Tm_T> cool
[05:14] <membreya> too small for me Tm_T, I'm running 1152x864 on a 17"
[05:15] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: Now thats not fair...maybe you can talk her into a huge breakfast after the blood letting :)
[05:16] <SuperCatFrog> well people having blood taken makes me feel funny at the best of times (im really realy scared of needles) so i might die, if im not in here next week, you know why
[05:16] <Tm_T> membreya: I run 1280x1024 in my 17" and sometimes want fonts even smaller
[05:16] <kkathman> Tm_T: wow thats small...Im with membreya Im at 1280 x 1024 so size 8 would be very small...10 is about right
[05:16] <Tm_T> nope
[05:16] <SuperCatFrog> mwhaha! i have the most up to date amarok build _in__the__world_
[05:17] <pussfeller> kaudiocreator is saying user no permission for /dev/cdrom
[05:17] <Tm_T> hah
[05:17] <SuperCatFrog> argh! still no xine plugin!
[05:17] <Tm_T> haha
[05:17] <Tm_T> pussfeller: check your fstab
[05:17] <Tm_T> but the foodstore ->
[05:18] <SuperCatFrog> brb
[05:18] <pussfeller> Tm_T, it should be looking in /media/cdrom?
[05:18] <azad> Tm_T: how did you install that via autopackage? how does that work?
[05:18] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: Funny story, my youngest son was about 6 yrs old and had an infection so they came in to prick his finger to get some blood. He was very calm throughout the whole thing..until after the guy was done. Then he hauled off and kicked the lab tech in the shin.. He limped away.
[05:18] <pussfeller> kadiou** that is
[05:18] <SuperCatFrog> lol
[05:19] <pussfeller> jeez,just think what he will do to the dentist
[05:20] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - i hate injections (hate having blood taken more), and at school a few years ago i had to have a meningitis jab, i was talking to my friend and i could feel it go in, but the pain went away. i was talking to my friend and moved to the side thinking the nurse had finished - that hurt
[05:21] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: YEOUCH!!!
[05:21] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - thats exactly what i said
[05:31] <membreya> SuperCatFrog: learn your lesson..stay away from needles!
[05:31] <membreya> I got a tattoo to try and get over my fear of needles..you think it worked? :P
[05:32] <kkathman> lol
[05:32] <kkathman> Anyone here use Kopete?  If so, do you like it?
[05:33] <SuperCatFrog> lol i bet not
[05:33] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - yes, its ace
[05:33] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - its by far the best IM client i  have ever used
[05:33] <membreya> better than gaim? :|
[05:33] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: someone has created a version that allows changing the default theme
[05:34] <kkathman> so I thought I might try it.
[05:34] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog:  here's the link:  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22271
[05:34] <kkathman> I get the newsfeeds from KDE Apps and KDE Look...tells me what things are new each day
[05:34] <SuperCatFrog> i use that style - its very nice
[05:35] <SuperCatFrog> so do i kkathman
[05:35] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: Ok..kewl I think I might test that out and see what its like. :)
[05:36] <SuperCatFrog> yep, there are about 10 styles built in too, just go configure kopete > appearance > chat window
[05:36] <membreya> kopete supports file transfers right ?
[05:36] <membreya> now I just need to find an IM that does webcam
[05:37] <kkathman> membreya: yeah I have a cheap cam, and still have to go to windoze to talk to my son at college using AIM
[05:38] <membreya> gaim-vv does it
[05:38] <membreya> but good luck compiling it
[05:39] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: you know of any other decent news feeds for Linux application release news?
[05:39] <membreya> god..it's so hard with kopete to find out if the person has you or not :P
[05:41] <LISP> oh my god, how many ubuntu non-believers there are :P
[05:42] <kkathman> LISP:  most are Debian users wondering why they arent the fastest growing distro :)
[05:42] <Tm_T> azad: autopackage?
[05:42] <azad> already got it, thanks
[05:42] <LISP> kkathman: debian may not be the fastest growing, but it's sure one hell of a monster
[05:42] <Tm_T> ok
[05:42] <LISP> kkathman: good one i mean
[05:43] <Tm_T> hah
[05:43] <LISP> kkathman: and that damned installer got to me too :P
[05:43] <kkathman> LISP:  oh sure, but its unfriendly...which is why Ubuntu has blossomed I think
[05:43] <Tm_T> kkathman: what?
[05:43] <Tm_T> unfriendly? doesn't say hello?
[05:43] <LISP> tm_t: c'mon man
[05:44] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:44] <LISP> tm_t: i had to dig up lots of stuff
[05:44] <LISP> tm_t: and my ac97 wasn't working even after dxs_support change :|
[05:44] <Tm_T> but to be serious, I love sarge:s installer
[05:45] <kkathman> Tm_T: you think the Ubuntu installer is bad?  hmm
[05:46] <Tm_T> there shoul be kkathman there is not enough choises
[05:46] <Tm_T> oh
[05:46] <Tm_T> sorry
[05:46] <LISP> kkhatman: it's right
[05:46] <LISP> kkhatman: and ubu doesn't come with xmms
[05:46] <kkathman> Tm_T: I installed debian on a machine, the installer isnt cryptic but it didnt pick up all my hardware, and didnt configure X very well either. 
[05:46] <LISP> kkhatman: or xine
[05:47] <membreya> cool, you can copy files to konsole with d n d :P
[05:47] <StR> membreya: d n d   <-- Dungeons and Dragons!!!
[05:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, that is a flaw
[05:48] <membreya> lol drag n drop ya goose :P
[05:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: but there should be an otion to "advanced user" to have more custom install
[05:49] <StR> Tm_T:  there is...   @ startup... there is "expert"
[05:49] <kkathman> Tm_T: I could give the Ubuntu installer to my wife and she could install it :)   Now my wife isnt stupid, but she's also not a computer expert either. LOL
[05:51] <Tm_T> StR: you can pick every separate package there?
[05:51] <StR> Tm_T: I think so...
[05:52] <Tm_T> StR: you can choose how your mouse is configured?
[05:52] <Tm_T> you can choose the installer get packages from the net?
[05:52] <kkathman> Does anyone know if Ubuntu has an RSS feed?  I notice that Debian DOES have a new application RSS feed.
[05:52] <StR> Tm_T: yes... I think  expert is the full  debian installer....
[05:52] <Tm_T> StR: it is?
[05:52] <Tm_T> uuh
[05:53] <Tm_T> damn
[05:53] <StR> Tm_T: I use the normal because it is faster, and then I configure all by hand  ;)    // slackware way to do things  ;)
[05:53] <Tm_T> so what am I complaining then :p
[05:53] <StR> Tm_T: LOL
[05:53] <kkathman> LOL
[05:53] <Tm_T> I gotta check that
[05:54] <Tm_T> hmm, no, I wont
[05:54] <LISP> kkhatman: rss mit firefox :D
[05:54] <membreya> how do I get my kopete to look like the clean theme? I've installed it ..but still no good 
[05:54] <kkathman> thanx :)
[05:54] <kkathman> membreya: you just dl'd from KDE apps?
[05:55] <membreya> yup
[05:55] <Tm_T> can't turn this off (my preciousss), can't turn my other workstation off (my jukebox atm), can't turn my server off either :/
[05:55] <membreya> like, their picture has the persons display picture as a big picture in the chat window..mine's a piddly little one
[05:56] <kkathman> I think SuperCatFrog was the one that is using that theme in fact
[05:56] <membreya> yo SuperCatFrog *slaps*
[05:56] <SuperCatFrog> hi - does anybody know where i can get cdrecord-prodvd from?
[05:57] <SuperCatFrog> ive tried apt-get.org and its not in multiverse or universe
[05:57] <SuperCatFrog> hello membreya - sorry, i was busy
[05:58] <Tm_T> SuperCatFrog: is it in debian repos ?
[05:58] <SuperCatFrog> membreya - open kopete, click configure kopete > appearance > chat window > import > select the xlst (iirc) file
[05:58] <SuperCatFrog> tm_t - dunno, its not in any of the default repos's
[05:58] <Tm_T> ok
[05:59] <Tm_T> google it then ;)
[05:59] <SuperCatFrog> oh ye, google
[05:59] <Tm_T> the almighty uncle-google
[06:06] <membreya> SuperCatFrog: still doesnt make mine look like the website's :(
[06:07] <kkathman> membreya: Mine does
[06:07] <membreya> maybe I just need to wait for someone to send me a message
[06:07] <kkathman> membreya: well, Im not connected to anyone yet tho
[06:08] <membreya> membreya@hotmail.com ...call me ..call me now :P
[06:08] <kkathman> membreya: whats your nick I'll connect
[06:12] <LISP> i know it sounds silly, but removing the non-debian marked gnome package will result in the whole gnome desktop being removed? 
[06:12] <LISP> or is it just a dummy package?
[06:12] <SuperCatFrog> membreya - its only for the chat window
[06:12] <SuperCatFrog> LISP - try it in synaptic and see what it tries to remove
[06:13] <LISP> nothing, just gnome
[06:13] <LISP> i forgot to say i installed some goodies
[06:13] <LISP> which are not essential anyway
[06:13] <LISP> maybe those installed gnome? not sure really
[06:17] <mr_clark> Hi guys. I'm having a blonde moment. I've just done my 3rd install of Kubuntu and for this install I can't seem to install synaptic. It doesn't appear in the list of packages I can install with kynaptic. Any idea why?
[06:18] <membreya> mr_clark: because it's part of ubuntu ? :P
[06:18] <mr_clark> But I could install it on the other two installs of ubuntu.
[06:18] <mr_clark> kubuntu.
[06:18] <mr_clark> aaghh.
[06:18] <membreya> works fine for me
[06:18] <membreya> check your repo
[06:18] <membreya> s
[06:23] <SuperCatFrog> argh! my global shortcuts for amark aren't global - any idea's why?
[06:42] <Nonphasis> Hmm, I suppose crash bugs are still fixed even if Kubuntu is released?
[06:44] <Nonphasis> (speaking of the crash on trying to play streaming music)
[06:55] <SuperCatFrog> back to gentoo to record homo+gay
[06:55] <SuperCatFrog> cya's
[06:55] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: Hey good morning to ya :)
[06:59] <Aruviel> Hello again. Have anyone else had problems with networking with their (k)ubuntu?
[07:00] <Aruviel> it's weird that I have to unplug my power-cable of my modem to get it working again
[07:08] <_linkin_> _REDRUM_!!!!
[07:08] <_linkin_> i want to say THANK YOU for you help :D
[07:08] <_linkin_> i could now use my geforce 6600 gt :D with 3d ;)
[07:08] <_linkin_> thank you :DDD
[07:08] <_linkin_> cYa
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[07:09] <_ReDRuM_> he seems happy.
[07:13] <spiral> hello
[07:13] <spiral> hmm, still any new of a kubuntu final dvd ?
[07:13] <Riddell> spiral: not heard any, try poking haggai to see if he's tested it
[07:14] <gdh> _ReDRuM_: Does that coreymon guy still hassle you from the weekend? :)
[07:15] <spiral> haggai: any new of a dvd for final kubuntu ?
[07:18] <membreya> Riddell, spiral: is this what you're looking for ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[07:22] <Riddell> membreya: we're looking for people to test them so we can release them as official hoary kubuntu dvds
[07:22] <membreya> there goes the value in this place ;)
[07:22] <membreya> Riddell: If i knew they were there this morning, I would have grabbed a copy :|
[07:22] <Riddell> ?
[07:22] <Riddell> you could grab one now?
[07:22] <membreya> Riddell: the value comment was aimed at thoreauputic :P
[07:23] <membreya> Riddell: why? I just did a fresh install ;)
[07:23] <Riddell> oh well, no harm in another
[07:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: kubuntu dvd? me me me 0/
[07:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[07:23] <Tm_T> wops, huge head
[07:23] <Riddell> testers welcome
[07:27] <spiral> Riddell: it's not a final ?
[07:29] <buz> now that the release is over, what repository do i need to use to keep the update goodness flowing? *G*
[07:32] <gdh> Riddell: DVD = live + install (main + universe) ?
[07:33] <Beineri> DVD = live + install + i18n/l10n + *-devel
[07:33] <Cloney> Well, I got Kubuntu working in Virtual PC. It moves like treacle, though.
[07:33] <gdh> Riddell: Ah cool
[07:34] <Cloney> Does Kubuntu contain the entirety of Ubuntu with some extra bits added in, or does it actually remove things like Synaptic?
[07:34] <gdh> Beineri: Ah cool :)
[07:36] <exciton> anyone know about iBooks and the airport extream? I know there is no dirver for it yet but have they got to 50% on it yet?
[07:36] <kkathman> Cloney: xfce might be an alternative as well as windowmaker (wmaker)
[07:37] <buz> exciton: i don't think so 
[07:37] <Cloney> Do Kubuntu/Ubuntu support WMs other than the defaults?
[07:37] <buz> what i'm wondering about wrt to airport extreme: why not use the osx drivers akin to ndiswrapper for linux?
[07:37] <buz> linux x86 i mean
[07:38] <Alvz> i have a problem i cant connect to internet is there a network config or something ?
[07:39] <exciton> buz: Thanks but for the osx drivers to work I belive is a problem with the hal but I could be wrong
[07:40] <exciton> The hal that BSD uses and Linux uses are rather different.
[07:40] <buz> they are probably still closer related than win and linux HAL
[07:40] <buz> but its probably not worth the bother for the few users that actually want to replace osx with linux
[07:41] <buz> most of the ones that care enough will probably simply get powerbooks and use pc cards..
[07:42] <exciton> buz: I'm sure thats true and I think thats sad I will grant exposa or whatever it is called makes you feel sexy using it but Ubuntu/Kubuntu is so much better over all 
[07:42] <buz> depends
[07:42] <buz> for the target audience, osx is far and away much better
[07:42] <buz> since my whole family is on osx, i never had to fix a box once
[07:43] <buz> (except my own ;-)
[07:43] <superkitty> Hey all
[07:43] <exciton> yeah they are hard to break and can be locked down but but a real user osx just does not cut it
[07:44] <buz> mhh i know quite a few hardcore users that use it
[07:44] <buz> it's essentially a bsd with a pretty gui (i don't particularly like the gui tho) after all
[07:44] <exciton> I do to but I just don't think it has the power as Linux or true BSD
[07:44] <superkitty> anyone using SMB4k?
[07:44] <exciton> buz: Yeah the gui is really bad
[07:44] <buz> the finder is just plain crap
[07:45] <buz> whomever wrote it surely didnt use it one second
[07:45] <exciton> yep and seems to lock up offten
[07:45] <edulix> hiII
[07:45] <exciton> I hate it's gui for the same reason I hate gnome
[07:46] <buz> i thin kgnome is ugly on top of that
[07:46] <exciton> I hate in not having a "FULL" address bar everywhere
[07:46] <buz> apple at least has a consistent look and feel (but i hate metal, fugly stuff)
[07:47] <exciton> the idea of this is where we think you will go so thats all we are going to make easy to get to is way to MS
[07:47] <buz> (k)ubuntu that is
[07:47] <buz> mhh windows gui ain't so bad
[07:47] <buz> until a few months ago, i still preferred it over kde 3.2
[07:47] <exciton> no I like the m$ gui
[07:47] <Tm_T> it's ugly
[07:47] <buz> it's ugly but it does the job
[07:47] <exciton> but I was talking more to the way they treat the users
[07:48] <buz> OSX is beautiful but gets in my way 
[07:48] <buz> KDE is well balanced there
[07:48] <Tm_T> eh
[07:48] <exciton> yep and a quick skin fixes everything lol
[07:48] <exciton> I will say gnome has something on kde on speed but nothing else
[07:48] <edulix> I'm hvng _big_ problems of sudden system slowness after working with my machine a while. sometimes even a reboot doesn't fix it (it needs two reboots)
[07:48] <Tm_T> exciton: I use "old style theme" IF I have to use xp
[07:49] <buz> yikes luna
[07:49] <exciton> Tm_T: I would just patch the uxtheme.dll and run something like the cha ninja skin or one of my own 
[07:49] <buz> worst theme ever
[07:49] <edulix> this seems a a 486 executing kde right now, and it started being slow some seconds ago, while I was not doing nothing in particular
[07:49] <buz> edulix: does top say anything at all?
[07:49] <buz> ran out of swap space?
[07:49] <buz> uuh i mean physical ram
[07:50] <buz> so it started to swap?
[07:50] <exciton> I hate the Red close button and Green start button thing they did what was just to playschool
[07:50] <Tm_T> exciton: I bet there's a way to change those colors
[07:50] <exciton> Tm_T: yeah it's called skinning
[07:50] <edulix> buz: I've alreeady hav been watching that. doesn't seem so, belive me; I have 256 mb of ram, and I have now 800 mb of swap
[07:51] <buz> 256mb ram is far too low
[07:51] <Tm_T> buz: not is not
[07:51] <Tm_T> buz: I run KDE in 64Mb ram just fine
[07:51] <exciton> Tm_T: I was one of the first GUI hackers on xp I was using reshack and putting my own bmp's into the files by hand long b4 there was apps to do it for you lol
[07:51] <buz> i won't even touch a sub 512 box
[07:51] <buz> for any real use, i wouldn't go below 1gb
[07:52] <edulix> buz: no it's not. and everything works like a charm normally, but suddently this happens
[07:52] <Tm_T> buz: hah, I hate if desktop use more than 150Mb ram =)
[07:52] <buz> are you running kaffeine? that starts to eat cpu at times
[07:52] <buz> right now top says xorg uses 150mb (incl. sharedlibs i guess) alone
[07:52] <Verwilst> lol kubuntu doesn't have many updates eh... :p
[07:52] <edulix> buz: II've been running multiple distros in my 256 mram rof ram boxes and trust me, 256 is good enough
[07:52] <Tm_T> haha
[07:52] <buz> and another 150mb for firefox
[07:53] <Tm_T> buz: wtf
[07:53] <Tm_T> buz: 140Mb total, apps in 4 desktops :p
[07:53] <exciton> my iBook has 256. KDE and gnome run just fine!
[07:53] <exciton> with like 800 in swap
[07:54] <buz> don't even get me started about osx in 256mb
[07:54] <superkitty> How do i add a home file to the desktop or panel?
[07:54] <buz> superkitty: add konqueror /path to your home
[07:54] <exciton> lol but buz I was just starting to like your rants lol
[07:54] <edulix> buz: even if I restart X everything slow 
[07:54] <buz> and chose a fitting icon
[07:55] <exciton> buz: you run kubuntu or ubuntu? being here I would guess K but just got to ask
[07:55] <edulix> buz: but if I restart kubuntu once or even sometimes it needs to be done twice, then everything returns to work in a normal and fast manner
[07:55] <buz> kubuntu
[07:55] <buz> i hate gnome
[07:55] <buz> but maybe its related to me using xinerama
[07:55] <Tm_T> buz: there is usually something wrong if FF take more than 20Mt ram =)
[07:56] <exciton> lol I wish I could dang powerful ati card with sad drivers lol
[07:56] <buz> not even under win i could get by with less than 60mb ram for it
[07:56] <Tm_T> buz: what? ehhh
[07:56] <buz> yeah ati isn't exactly what one wants for linux
[07:57] <buz> maybe i shouldn't be using all those extensions
[07:57] <exciton> but I like KDE much better I just feel gnmoe is to mac-ish
[07:57] <Tm_T> heh
[07:57] <buz> but then again i "neeeed" them
[07:57] <skaman> guys i have random apps crashes do u think that this could be related to be updating from ubuntu to  kubuntu?
[07:57] <exciton> I just can't give up DRI lol
[07:57] <Tm_T> skaman: nope
[07:57] <exciton> so I just have a black screen and one working one 
[07:58] <exciton> better then two that just don't work at all lopl
[07:58] <skaman> i haven't got only konqueror crashes as many other people
[07:58] <exciton> lol*
[07:58] <skaman> kopete kaffeine and many other apps too
[07:58] <Tm_T> skaman: not even once
[07:58] <skaman> :(
[07:58] <skaman> maybe a fresh install
[07:58] <Tm_T> no crashes, just wide smile :)
[07:58] <skaman> solves the problem?
[07:58] <superkitty> buz thanks
[07:58] <edulix> well I'm going to reboot, because typing is imposible (it freezes and thus it's difficult), cursor doesn't move smoothly, konversation updates message list like if it were rendering it (you know, _that's_ slowness..), etc
[07:58] <Tm_T> skaman: maybe, maybe not
[07:59] <skaman> :'(
[07:59] <skaman> under gnome all worked well
[07:59] <exciton> I just got a copy of ubuntu and spent the last few days updating and downloaded everything for kde, Over dial-up cuz I hate gnome
[08:00] <edulix> noone have had this problem yet ? maybe the people that had them just switched to other distro hehe. this never happennde to me in suse, in this same machine
[08:00] <exciton> edulix: How do you like suse?
[08:01] <Tm_T> suse :/
[08:01] <edulix> edulix: it at least have a very good configurator and akde by default
[08:01] <edulix> ups
[08:01] <edulix> talking to myself? lol. that was for exciton
[08:01] <Tm_T> haha
[08:01] <exciton> yeah I hate what the fedora crew did with making it a pain to change desktops from gnmoe
[08:02] <edulix> BTW, there's an ongoing effort to port yast to debian/kubuntu, called yast4debian. stay tunned ;)
[08:02] <superkitty> anyone know how to set up samba ?
[08:02] <exciton> but right now I'm running Mandrake on my main sys and am thinking about going to suse or deb
[08:02] <Tm_T> edulix: yast to deb? why?
[08:02] <Tm_T> exciton: deb
[08:02] <edulix> I think my problem might be related to ati driver, because II don't notce slowness in the ttys
[08:03] <Tm_T> so don't use those drivers
[08:03] <exciton> I am leaning more to deb but it's still in the air 
[08:04] <edulix> Tm_T: yast4debian, hahaha why not ? it's  avery powerful tool!
[08:04] <exciton> I may just do kubuntu on my main sys and just update that lol
[08:04] <edulix> Tm_T: there are no other drivers for my card...
[08:04] <Tm_T> edulix: err, and apt-get is not powerful?
[08:05] <exciton> so far I am love'n kubuntu but I just need to get apache php and mysql on it and I'll be happy
[08:05] <exciton> edulix: what ati card do you have?
[08:05] <edulix> Tm_T: what does have Yast have to do with Yast?? Yast  ControlCenter
[08:06] <Tm_T> hm
[08:06] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[08:07] <buz> yast is a deeply evil piece of code
[08:07] <exciton> really the only thing keeping me on Mandrake is the Mandrake control center is so useful for somethings
[08:07] <edulix> exciton: ATi Radeon 75000 mobility 7500
[08:07] <edulix> buz: you are also :-)
[08:08] <exciton> what driver are you using?
[08:08] <buz> evil? me? most definitely (the only person still not believing it is my gf)
[08:08] <exciton> buz: gf's are like that lol
[08:08] <buz> yeah
[08:08] <buz> they won't even believe if you tell them
[08:09] <edulix> exciton: they have already ported 4 modules of Yast Control Center, and they intend to port all of them. Yast is so powerful because it is also so featureful and useful. yeah, it's a bit slow and it's useer intrface is a nightmare, but..
[08:09] <exciton> buz: Yep. You just have to sure them by teaching them html/php and c/c++ thats what I do lol
[08:09] <buz> why?
[08:10] <exciton> edulix: lol
[08:10] <edulix> exciton: I'm using the only driver existing (AFAIK) for  it: "ati". the one shipped with (k9ubuntu.  ati propietary driveer dosn't doesn't work with my card, I belive
[08:10] <sorin> Does anyone knows if it is possible to move a VMware installation to the actual disk to boot normally?
[08:11] <buz> edulix: and of course it tends to overwrite everything you carefully did by hand
[08:11] <Tm_T> heh
[08:11] <exciton> lol
[08:11] <buz> drakconf is at least halfway sensible wrt to that
[08:11] <exciton> edulix: I ask cuz my roommate has the same card in his iBook G3
[08:12] <exciton> edulix: and is not having the problems like that
[08:12] <buz> edulix: what series of ibook are you using
[08:12] <edulix> exciton: I only suggested that it could be that becaouse if it's not ram nor swap, and cpu usage doesn't seems strange to me, then what else could be ?
[08:13] <exciton> lol there is 4 ati cards in this house a 7500m a 9200m a 8500pro and a 8600
[08:13] <exciton> so I have a little exp with ati and linux lol
[08:14] <buz> and none of them does composite grrr
[08:14] <edulix> BTW, I must tell you guys that watching konversation nearly "rendering" / slow updating the messages sent to the channel is a strange "experience" :P
[08:14] <buz> my next box will have nvidia, thats for sure
[08:14] <Borg^Queen> Hey people. Quick question. We're trying out kubuntu live on a ppc, we can't find kwikdisk. It is present under another command?
[08:14] <Borg^Queen> edulix: that happens to me when I'm editing film.
[08:14] <edulix> buz: this laptop have an ati only because I didn't buy it, ut my father gave me it :P
[08:15] <exciton> edulix: yeah I got my iBook the same way it was given to me
[08:15] <edulix> Borg^Queen: but with film or with konversation ? hehehe
[08:16] <Borg^Queen> Konversation renders in slow motion like its on drugs whilst editing film. The film work remains unaffected.
[08:16] <exciton> speaking of it anyone know about klaptop
[08:16] <Borg^Queen> About kwikdisk on a live cd?
[08:16] <Borg^Queen> Did kubuntu do away with kwikdisk?
[08:16] <exciton> my batt. tray icon is messed up
[08:17] <malte> Borg^Queen, i can't even find it in the repository
[08:17] <Borg^Queen> So it's gone?
[08:17] <edulix> so, any ideas what could be making my system go suddently so slow ?
[08:17] <Borg^Queen> edulix: a heavy background function.
[08:17] <exciton> edulix: do you have a cdrom in your tray?
[08:18] <Borg^Queen> use ctrl esc to call ksysguard and see what's up
[08:18] <exciton> like the ubuntu/kubuntu disks?
[08:18] <mkhan> hi i am new to kubuntu and linux itself
[08:18] <Borg^Queen> exciton: are you running a live CD on a MAC?
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> hello mkhan 
[08:19] <edulix> Borg^Queen: I prefer using top, it doesn't take much time to launch  it,and knowing that my system is now so slow...
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> TRue
[08:19] <exciton> because if I have (The only one I have had in this cdrom is ubuntu) ubuntu in the cdrom it lags up bad
[08:19] <mkhan> when i tried to do an update using the update manager, i got these messages W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[08:19] <leafw> Hi all! I'm chatting from a live cd on an ibook G3 ! Congratulations to whoever is responsible, this machine works really nice with kubuntu live!
[08:19] <mkhan> could anybody tell me what does it mean, and how to do the updates
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> leafw: congrats
[08:19] <exciton> Borg^Queen: no I'm running ubuntu ppc installed and downloaded KDE 
[08:20] <Borg^Queen> oddd
[08:20] <edulix> one thing I've noticed is that Xorg and gamin/gam_server usually  take more cpu cycles than normally when system becomes slow
[08:20] <bhna> anybody with a nvidia geforce 5500 card here?
[08:20] <Borg^Queen> mkhan: it means the package you wanted to download is corrupt maybe?
[08:20] <edulix> exciton: I have no cdrom in my tray
[08:20] <mkhan> how do i fix it ?
[08:20] <Borg^Queen> Try redownloading
[08:20] <exciton> edulix: okay it was just an idea because like I said it slowed my system down
[08:21] <mkhan> i am not downloading any specific package 
[08:21] <mkhan> even if i do a apt-get update
[08:21] <mkhan> i get the same message
[08:21] <edulix> bhna: I wish I had :P
[08:21] <exciton> lol
[08:21] <bhna> edulix: ;-)
[08:21] <exciton> yeah me too
[08:21] <Borg^Queen> mkhan: I don't know.
[08:21] <mkhan> thanks ...anybody else
[08:22] <Borg^Queen> mkhan: what app are you using?
[08:22] <mkhan> synaptic
[08:22] <Borg^Queen> Hmm odd
[08:22] <bhna> glxgears 1.300 is slow ofr an 5500 nvidia, isnt it?
[08:23] <Borg^Queen> mkhan: did you update your server repository?
[08:23] <mkhan> yeah i did that
[08:23] <Borg^Queen> hmm
[08:23] <mkhan> but even then i am getting these messages
[08:23] <mkhan> earlier it was fine...i started getting these messages for the past 2 days
[08:24] <edulix> I'm no watching top and I see that cpu usage is in fact at about 85-95 all the time
[08:24] <bhna> edulix: wich program eat 80 % of cpu
[08:25] <exciton> edulix: I'm not sure it's your vid card doing that
[08:25] <exciton> sound's more like a run away program all in all
[08:25] <edulix> bhna: noone ! it's not only one
[08:25] <exciton> lol on my system 3Dc pings my cpu at 100%
[08:26] <Borg^Queen> does anyone have kwikdisk?
[08:26] <bhna> Borg^Queen: look at kde-addons
[08:26] <Borg^Queen> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[08:26] <edulix> Xorg takes abot 40-50% (average) artsd 20-30, konqueror ~8, a lot of 1%, etc
[08:26] <Borg^Queen> bhna: you're a genius
[08:27] <edulix> I meant that a lot of programs take ~1%
[08:27] <bhna> Beineri: maybee ;-) but i'm not shure
[08:27] <Borg^Queen> bhna: this is a live cd
[08:28] <Borg^Queen> So it doesn't have it on a live cd.
[08:28] <edulix> it seems that everyone is busier than normal. artsd normally doesn't take more than 5%, and Xorg is usally not even shown,  Ibelive
[08:28] <bhna> Borg^Queen: oh? sorry
[08:28] <edulix> bhna: what's in kde-look  ?:P
[08:29] <Borg^Queen> bhna: sorry, you answered my question kiddo
[08:29] <buz> edulix: xorg gets serious cpu time at times on my box
[08:29] <leafw> question: default root pwd of live CD ?
[08:29] <Borg^Queen> root
[08:30] <leafw> ok
[08:30] <exciton> buz: xorg is taking no more then 6% on my sys
[08:30] <leafw> thnks
[08:30] <Borg^Queen> leafw: root for root
[08:30] <Borg^Queen> leafw: my pleasure
[08:30] <buz> try moving some apps around and watch at top
[08:30] <Borg^Queen> Thank you humans BBL
[08:30] <edulix> buz: don't move any window,  maiixmze konsole, and then watch at it. I don't think it takes more than 10% on average
[08:31] <buz> well on average, without moving stuff, it's probably below 10%
[08:31] <buz> somewhere around 5 or 7 i'd say
[08:31] <edulix> buz: moving apps ? that like crazy.  I barely can move the mouse man!
[08:31] <exciton> buz: wow moving a window around jumps it to 50%+
[08:31] <buz> i've even seen 80%+ when moving stuff
[08:31] <buz> try moving it for a few seconds
[08:31] <buz> until it doesn't quite keep up with repaints
[08:31] <exciton> that did not take long lol
[08:32] <buz> exactly
[08:32] <buz> easily tops 80% then
[08:32] <buz> (say what you want, but X11 is crap)
[08:32] <edulix> it's not if you activate composite and configure kwin to use it ..
[08:33] <exciton> I just can't wait for XGL or whatever they will be calling it
[08:33] <edulix> then moving windows becomes smooth and top doesn't notice it
[08:33] <leafw> Borg^Queen: can't login in to root nor run su. Any suggestions? All I want to do is to mount te hd
[08:33] <exciton> edulix: speaking of witch can you point me to a howto on composite?
[08:34] <exciton> leafw: sudo mount /foo/bar /foo/bar
[08:34] <leafw> exciton: thank you, let's see
[08:35] <edulix> exciton: if you have a nvidia card it's a matter of adding two lines to xorg.cconf and ativating somethhing in kcontrol
[08:35] <buz> exciton: no composite for ati
[08:35] <edulix> exciton: there must be something in the ubuntu's wiki
[08:36] <edulix> buz: I think that latest ati propietary driver  version have support for composite, but  I'mnot sure
[08:36] <buz> really
[08:36] <buz> where can i get those?
[08:36] <exciton> buz: there is composite for ati it's just a pain my roommate set it up on his iBook but he gets a starnge green hue on everything
[08:36] <buz> i'll probably still get gforce 6200 in my new box ;-)
[08:36] <buz> used to be ati fanboy (primarily because its hard to find fanless nvidia stuff)
[08:37] <exciton> ati is much better power for the money but because they suck at making linux drivers us linux users are outed
[08:38] <buz> i don't care much for power
[08:38] <edulix> well I'm going to post a message to the mailing list about my problem. apart from cpu usage, what else should I provide (any log info I haven't noticed yet ?)
[08:38] <buz> i want a dual dvi card without fan and proper linux support, that's all
[08:38] <buz> pci express would  be a plus but not ultimate requirement
[08:39] <exciton> lol well starting getting systems now cuz in a few years I'm sure they are going to make it really hard to run linux ;)
[08:39] <buz> na
[08:39] <buz> the chinese won't care for TCPA and other expensive, useless crap
[08:40] <buz> and i will start importing chinese hardware and get RIIIICH
[08:40] <edulix> BBr, I 'm rebooting !
[08:40] <exciton> lol
[08:40] <exciton> gl edulix 
[08:41] <buz> ROTFL http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145831&cid=12214809
[08:41] <buz> must be somewhat uncomfortable to do that in your office, no?
[08:44] <exciton> buz: LOL
[08:44] <leafw> any clue on how to mount an Apple hfs
[08:45] <leafw> mount -t hfs fails
[08:45] <buz> not really
[08:45] <buz> but i know that osx can use UFS which in turn should be supported by linux and is a much better FS than HFS anyway
[08:45] <leafw> well, I' just testing
[08:46] <leafw> is hfs supported in kubuntu live cd powerpc ?
[08:50] <sorin> hmm
[08:50] <sorin> apt-get install java?
[08:51] <buz> sorin: ubuntuguide.org
[08:51] <exciton> nope no java
[08:51] <_membreya> java is non-distributable..can't apt-get it :P
[08:51] <sorin> how do you find out which process locked a file, so i can kill it?
[08:52] <sorin> i downloaded the java bin
[08:52] <buz> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:52] <crimsun> sorin: lsof <the file>
[08:52] <sorin> i can see it in ksysguard, but i don't see an install window.  I have no idea what it is doing
[08:53] <bhna> sorin: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/
[08:53] <King_Brad> how would i go about upgrading my XFree86?
[08:54] <buz> uuhh kubuntu uses xorg
[08:54] <King_Brad> ok
[08:54] <sorin> crimsun: it displayed nothing
[08:54] <King_Brad> how would i upgrade it?
[08:54] <buz> and its pretty current right now
[08:54] <King_Brad> okay
[08:54] <buz> you can still do apt-get update && apt-get distupgrade if you like, of course
[08:54] <buz> got any specific trouble?
[08:54] <King_Brad> then how would i fix libxrender ?
[08:55] <King_Brad> my wife (GenericQueen) is getting some weird error with that file
[08:55] <King_Brad> Libxrender.so
[08:55] <buz> did you try removing it and readding it in synaptic?
[08:55] <GenericQueen> says its buggy
[08:55] <GenericQueen> no bu i will
[08:55] <GenericQueen> but*
[08:55] <GenericQueen> bbiab
[08:55] <buz> what card have you got?
[08:56] <GenericQueen> nvidia tnt 
[08:57] <sorin> bhna: thank you
[08:57] <freak_> hi !
[08:57] <shogouki> i've got a problem with my centrino
[08:57] <bhna> sorin: my pleasure ;-)
[08:58] <shogouki> ubuntu# ifup eth0
[08:58] <shogouki> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[08:58] <shogouki> anyone have seen this pb before ?
[08:58] <freak_> Who knows why don't have the possibilities to configure network ............. like drakconf under Mandrake
[08:58] <shogouki> eth0 is listed lile a wireless extension in iwconfig
[08:59] <shogouki> like*
[08:59] <bhna> freak_: look at knetworkconf
[09:00] <freak_> okay but drakconf is a global menu
[09:00] <freak_> Kubuntu has only kcontrol to configure ??
[09:00] <sorin> isn't kynaptic supposed to launch? It launches Ark
[09:03] <bhna> freak_: yes
[09:04] <sorin> bhna: To which app do I feed that deb file?  Kynaptic doesn't want it.
[09:05] <freak_> It's so poor 
[09:05] <freak_> However Kde 3.4 is very good
[09:05] <King_Brad> sorin: use dpkg -i <package name>
[09:06] <buz> use kpackage or synaptic
[09:06] <buz> kynaptic is next to useless
[09:06] <freak_> or apt-get install ... :)
[09:06] <edulix> hey ! I'm back
[09:07] <King_Brad> is Tridnet Blade 3d video card supported in Kubantu?
[09:07] <King_Brad> or Nvidia TNT?
[09:08] <King_Brad> either?
[09:08] <edulix> I think I've found the problem: it appears that everything slowdown just when my laptop fans start to spin vigorously
[09:08] <sorin> So, why is it included if it's next to useless???
[09:08] <edulix> does it make sense ? :P
[09:09] <bhna> open the konsole, dpkg install *.deb
[09:10] <bhna> open the konsole, dpkg --install *.deb
[09:10] <sorin> i installed it
[09:11] <buz> edulix: could be that your cpu throtthles at that point?
[09:11] <edulix> buz: my cpu is always at 1.2 Ghz
[09:12] <edulix> at least that's what cat /proc/cpuinfo tells me
[09:12] <buz> sorin: who knows. it looks pretty.
[09:12] <edulix> (even if it can reach 1.7 Ghz)
[09:12] <buz> synaptic is fugly
[09:12] <erhan> hey why kubuntu dont give firefox?
[09:13] <erhan> n the package
[09:13] <bhna> erhan: konqueror is the default browser
[09:13] <erhan> yea its 
[09:13] <bhna> erhan: apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:14] <erhan> :) i know it 
[09:14] <erhan> just i was thinkin it 
[09:15] <_ubuntu> hey people
[09:17] <UberNoob> Hello
[09:17] <freak_> Firefox powa ;)
[09:17] <UberNoob> ok this is interesting. 
[09:17] <UberNoob> Nice live cd
[09:18] <edulix> buz: actually, blue-imac: uhm, it could make sense the throutling thingie, because when everything gets slow, I see that cpu usage averages 85-95%, and it's not 1 program but all of them
[09:18] <UberNoob> There are some things I don't like but I think it's because I'm on a live cd
[09:18] <edulix> let's see where can I see what happens and how to modify my prefeerncies
[09:18] <freak_> I'd like to install opera web browser en kde to test pages to my web agency but it doesn't exist in sources list package !
[09:19] <UberNoob> konctrol
[09:19] <freak_> kcontrol
[09:19] <UberNoob> ok later people. Off to do an actual install
[09:20] <edulix> freak_: I've ben ther,e but didn't find anything related to heat or fans spinning :P
[09:21] <freak_> it'll be Wine + IE
[09:21] <buz> freak_: did you get IE to work in Wine?
[09:22] <buz> if so, how?
[09:22] <freak_> I gonna use Wine in order to obtain IE on Linux
[09:23] <freak_> If anyone knows how to obtain IE on linux, I' ll your suggestions
[09:24] <buz> there's a script out there, didn't work for me though
[09:24] <bhna> buz: http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html
[09:24] <freak_> It's just to test web pages before release
[09:24] <buz> bhna: didnt work for me.
[09:24] <freak_> ok 
[09:24] <buz> i tried it three times
[09:24] <freak_> :S
[09:25] <leafw> any ideas on mounting a macosx hfs+ partition
[09:25] <amu> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hdaX /mountpoint
[09:26] <leafw> amu: fails
[09:26] <amu> what's the error message? 
[09:26] <leafw> and -t ufs - o ufstype=openstep fails too
[09:26] <leafw> "HFS+-fs: unable to find HFS+ superblock"
[09:26] <amu> is it a mac partion with journal or a native ? 
[09:27] <leafw> which means it's not a hfs+, but I know it should be
[09:27] <leafw> it's a macosx home directory
[09:27] <leafw> native
[09:27] <buz> i think osx 10.3 uses journal by default
[09:27] <amu> what says less /proc/partitions
[09:27] <leafw> it's 10.2.8 by the way
[09:28] <leafw> I'm in kubuntu live cd on ibook G3
[09:28] <amu> yep 10.3 uses hfsplus 
[09:28] <leafw> with macosx 10.2.8 installedi n the hda
[09:28] <amu> leafw: try mount -t hfs 
[09:28] <leafw> fails
[09:29] <leafw> can't find hfs filesystem ..
[09:29] <amu> lsmod |grep hfs 
[09:29] <leafw> prints hfsplus, hfs and nls_base
[09:30] <leafw> I believe hda5 is the system and hda6 is the home dir, but can't mount it
[09:30] <amu> could you paste the last lines of dmesg, after running mount -t hfs 
[09:31] <amu> check it with less /proc/pationions ... it says the size and you problably remember how big is your home 
[09:31] <leafw> VFS: Can't find a HFS filesystem on dev hda6.
[09:32] <leafw> how odd:
[09:32] <freak_> do you use SUDO ,
[09:32] <freak_> ??
[09:32] <leafw> the /proc/partitions can be put by 'tab', but then says:
[09:32] <leafw> sudo: /proc/partitions: command not found
[09:33] <amu> leafw: you're sure hda6 is you home ? 
[09:33] <buz> i don't think osx uses split partitions by default
[09:33] <leafw> I've tried them all
[09:33] <leafw> hda1 to 6
[09:33] <amu> leafw: more /proc/partitions
[09:33] <buz> try launching qtparted to see what there exactly is
[09:33] <leafw> hda5 mounts, and shows only ln files.
[09:33] <freak_> no sudo is to be root on your system 
[09:34] <freak_> sudo mount -t hfs .............
[09:34] <leafw> freak_: doen't work
[09:34] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches, good night.
[09:34] <freak_> byeee
[09:34] <leafw> amu: qtparted not found, this is a livecd and may be limited
[09:35] <buz> yeah i think it's not in the default install
[09:35] <freak_> df -h 
[09:36] <amu> leafw: install it ... sudo apt-get install qtparted
[09:36] <leafw> in the livecd ?is it possible ?
[09:36] <leafw> trying
[09:36] <freak_> you'll know which partition is mounted
[09:36] <amu> sure 
[09:36] <amu> we have full read/write support on the live :)
[09:36] <leafw> shit apt-get may not be properly configured
[09:37] <freak_> edit /etc/apt/source.list
[09:37] <amu> sudo apt-setup ? 
[09:38] <leafw> the sources.list looks ok to me
[09:38] <freak_> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:38] <freak_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:39] <brk3> whats the story with kynaptic.. i cant seem to get a description of what package im installing like on synaptic..
[09:39] <buz> sudo apt-get moo
[09:39] <freak_> freak@freaklaptop:~ $ sudo apt-cache search qtparted
[09:39] <freak_> qtparted - A parted frontend using QT
[09:39] <leafw> done
[09:39] <leafw> then
[09:39] <leafw> no package qtparted
[09:40] <freak_> are you in multiverse universe ?
[09:40] <edulix> now i my fan has just started to spin
[09:41] <amu> leafw: you've to enable universe for qtparted
[09:41] <edulix> and yeah, the problem was with that: now everything is slow again. and you know what ? in klaptop system-tray I can see that my freq scaling is at 75%
[09:41] <edulix> and the bad when normally I put it in 0%
[09:42] <leafw> thanks for the efforts but this is not going in
[09:42] <edulix> *but* just clicking in 0% just doesn't do anything
[09:42] <edulix> it keeps being stubborn in 75%
[09:43] <edulix> and also, in klaptop the setting  "turncpufreq to 75% when fan start to spin" is hidden. where cann i cofigure it by hand ?
[09:45] <buz> are you root?
[09:45] <buz> maybe only root can change that
[09:45] <amu> leafw: i'm not sure about the live, on a "installation" hfs and hfsplus partions can be mounted, write access is bit difficult, but also works  
[09:46] <freak_> either change root passwd or use sudo
[09:46] <freak_> sudo passwd root
[09:46] <freak_> or sudo comand............ 
[09:47] <edulix> buz: well, klaptop is not being executed with root user of course
[09:47] <edulix> let's try
[09:47] <edulix> anyway, that's only a temporal solutionn: ext time the fan starts to spin I would need to do the same..!
[09:49] <leafw> I've neevr used apt-get to install from a .deb file
[09:49] <leafw> the man doesn't say anything
[09:49] <leafw> is it possible ?
[09:50] <edulix> dpkg -i <deb files>
[09:50] <leafw> xD
[09:50] <leafw> ok, thank you
[09:50] <edulix> :)
[09:51] <freak_> but you need to have the deb file with dpkg -i , contrary to apt-get 
[09:51] <leafw> true, I downloaded it.
[09:51] <amu> are there any germans here? 
[09:52] <buz> swiss, if that helps
[09:52] <leafw> how funny, qtparted lists hdb and not hda
[09:52] <leafw> hdb is the cdrom
[09:52] <freak_> French if that helps :D
[09:53] <freak_> no it's the slave disk
[09:53] <amu> sorry not, we need to translate kubuntu.de 
[09:53] <freak_> hda ( master )
[09:53] <freak_> hdb ( Slave )
[09:53] <freak_> is that true ?? :$
[09:53] <leafw> freak: live cd kubuntu is slightly odd in this respect
[09:54] <freak_> ok
[09:54] <amu> any volunteer 
[09:54] <buz> huh its not even related to kubuntu
[09:55] <leafw> ok NOW
[09:55] <leafw> sorry sudo qparted did it
[09:55] <amu> buz: ? 
[09:55] <buz> kubuntu.de talks about gnoppix
[09:55] <leafw> hda5 is not only the system but everything
[09:55] <leafw> and it's hf+
[09:55] <leafw> and it's hfs+
[09:55] <amu> buz: arg, www.kubuntu.de
[09:55] <buz> aah kubuntu.de != www.kubuntu.de
[09:56] <amu> buz: i've to fix that, sorry
[09:56] <buz> i could do the frontpage
[09:56] <buz> but i lack the time for docs or wiki
[09:57] <leafw> eureka
[09:57] <amu> that would be nice, hold on, i need a full upgrade and a server fix
[09:57] <leafw> excuse me for my stupidity, but sudo mount -t hfsplus -r /dev/hda5 /mnt/macosx5  finally did it
[09:57] <leafw> it fooled me that the mount -t hfs /dev/hd5 didn't fail and reported just 4 symlinks
[09:57] <buz> but it would have to wait until thursday
[09:58] <Loke> whats the image preview program which is embedded in konqueror in kubuntu called?
[09:58] <buz> gwenview
[09:58] <Loke> thx :-)
[09:59] <Loke> does anyone know if kubuntu will be offered through shipit?
[09:59] <tim_h_> btw. gwenview doesnt has my native language (german) in kubuntu
[10:00] <amu> buz: ok, server fixed
[10:00] <buz> i won't get round doing it until thursday
[10:00] <freak_> Loke : No i only take on ubuntu cause it's not possible on Kubuntu at the moment
[10:00] <buz> where could i send it to?
[10:01] <amu> buz: by mail, sendfile whatever you prever 
[10:01] <amu> buz: that's ok, we've to start the translations, every help is welcome 
[10:07] <treke> hrmm kate 3.4 doesnt come with a filtype for C++ code any more
[10:08] <freak_> bye and thanks everyone :)
[10:08] <freak_> ++
[10:11] <leafw> thank you all. Bye
[10:14] <_mole> exit
[10:19] <mikmak> hello
[10:19] <mikmak> is there a ubuntu pkg for the flashplugin-nonfree of debian ?
[10:19] <mikmak> (=> the real macromedia flash ;)
[10:21] <amu> libflash-mozplugin ? 
[10:21] <mikmak> Description: GPL Flash (SWF) Library - Mozilla-compatible plugin
[10:21] <mikmak> not the good one ;)
[10:22] <amu> GPL _is_ the good one ;)
[10:22] <malte> no, it sucks :)
[10:22] <mikmak> not for flash ;)
[10:22] <mikmak> (if you want to use real flash)
[10:22] <malte> it's easy to d/l and install it manually though mikmak 
[10:22] <mikmak> malte: yes, but I _hate_ doing so in debian
[10:23] <malte> why? which browser are you using?
[10:23] <mikmak> not a browser problem, but I prefer my apt to manage it
[10:23] <mikmak> so i get updates automatically etc
[10:23] <malte> it's one file :)
[10:23] <mikmak> yes but debian downloads it itself :)
[10:23] <malte> or two perhaps
[10:24] <malte> i bet there are unofficial repositories which have it though
[10:24] <mikmak> it really sucks to not have it in ubuntu imho
[10:24] <mikmak> there is no good GPL thing for flash
[10:24] <malte> i agree
[10:25] <mikmak> so basically it means ubuntu does not support flash at all ;)
[10:25] <mikmak> (which is bad :)
[10:25] <malte> they don't include proprietary stuff i reckon
[10:26] <coreymon77> hey redrum
[10:26] <coreymon77> guess where im talking from?
[10:26] <mikmak> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 - Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV <= nvidia ;)
[10:26] <Riddell> coreymon77: Kubuntu?
[10:26] <mikmak> (must be a joke to not include flash if they include nvidia ...)
[10:27] <coreymon77> redrum: you got it
[10:27] <coreymon77> i finally got it to work
[10:27] <coreymon77> and the funny part is
[10:27] <malte> mikmak, mkay :)
[10:27] <coreymon77> its works way better than before
[10:28] <amu> mikmak: why a joke, if the licnce forbit it, it can be redistributed, it's impossible to make legal packages
[10:29] <coreymon77> i wonder if it working better has anything to do with having ubuntu as its base?
[10:29] <mikmak> amu: debian does it fine ...
[10:29] <mikmak> amu: why not ubuntu ?
[10:32] <amu> mikmak: debian. who even didnt allow not to package non-gpl docu on their debs? you will say they offer a fucking nonfree sucking plugin like flash? 
[10:32] <amu> what's the packagename ? 
[10:32] <treke> mikmak: different projects have different opinions on the legality of doing things
[10:32] <mikmak> amu: flashplugin-nonfree :)
[10:33] <mikmak> treke: flashplugin-nonfree does not contain anything nonfree actually
[10:34] <mikmak> amu: i am thinking for end users, are you asking them to go to macromedia 's website , understand what they tell you, download the file, unpack it (if they ever understand what it tells), then (the best!) move this file to the plugin directory of your browser
[10:34] <mikmak> then
[10:34] <mikmak> you are not talking to an end user
[10:34] <mikmak> :)
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> Everything easy is not good.
[10:36] <amu> mikmak: right, there will be in feature something easier than intalling debs, you just click on the webpage and it installs all your soft
[10:36] <mikmak> LeeJunFan: ubuntu is not good then
[10:36] <mikmak> LeeJunFan: it's meant to be easy for end users
[10:36] <mikmak> amu: s/feature/future/ ?
[10:37] <LeeJunFan> If you give ability to install everything with a simple click you end up with windows. A system where it so easy to install spywware and viruses people don't even know they did it.
[10:37] <amu> mikmak: err right :)
[10:37] <mikmak> ;)
[10:37] <LeeJunFan> mikmak: it's meant to be easy in terms of linux, not computers.
[10:37] <mikmak> LeeJunFan: in terms of users
[10:38] <LeeJunFan> Again - if you make ubuntu stupid enough for joe dumbass then people with an IQ won't want to us it. And for the time being linux belongs to geeks. period.
[10:38] <amu> LeeJunFan: dude we have gpg sigs we can authenticate them, that's all no problem 
[10:38] <mikmak> LeeJunFan: use debian then, ubuntu has no more things
[10:39] <LeeJunFan> mikmak: ubuntu is pretty much debian with more up to date packages.
[10:39] <amu> LeeJunFan: it must be more easy as it is possible
[10:39] <mikmak> LeeJunFan: the goal of ubuntu is to make it (debian) easy for end users afaik
[10:39] <mikmak> else it's just stupid
[10:39] <mikmak> just add an apt source in debian, and we are done
[10:40] <mikmak> and if you have nvidia, I dont see any reason to provide an easy way to install flash (flash is way more important than nvidia on linux for end users)
[10:40] <mikmak> to +not provide
[10:41] <amu> 95% of all desktops are windows, probably 1% runs linux, fro those 1%, 0.01% know how to install a deb,packages 
[10:42] <mikmak> that's where synaptic/kynaptic are important
[10:43] <LeeJunFan> I'm not saying that linux won't eventually be desktop ready, but the fact is that it isn't now, either get over it or move on. Just quit bitchin'.
[10:43] <amu> mikmak: yep
[10:45] <amu> LeeJunFan: linux on a desktop is still too difficult, if you installed/run a Mac once a time, you know what i'm talking about   
[10:45] <mikmak> LeeJunFan: my point is that (k)ubuntu should have provided flashplugin-nonfree (since it's clear that they provide binary stuff -like nvidia-) , it's way more important for users to be able to surf on the web than 3d. (it's a GPL-oriented choice, and imho a bad one)
[10:46] <LeeJunFan> amu: right - it'll just take time.
[10:46] <mikmak> amu: Mac has the advantage to know what hardware it will find ;)
[10:46] <mikmak> that makes it a lot more easy
[10:46] <amu> mikmak: that's 1 point the other is the software, which you use
[10:46] <LeeJunFan> mikmak: You've got a point there. It doesn't make sense IF the reason is licensing.
[10:47] <amu> c&p, drag&drop 
[10:48] <treke> mikmak: the difference is that nvidia gives redistribution permission. The terms of the flash license may not allow that.
[10:48] <mikmak> treke: with flashplugin-nonfree, there is _no_ problem
[10:49] <mikmak> it's more free than the nvidia pkgs are ;)
[11:23] <_tom> hello!
[11:26] <_tom> any kubuntu experts present?
[11:28] <Riddell> _tom: deep down we're all experts
[11:28] <_tom> sure, we are :-)
[11:28] <Boogieman> except me. i'm the stupid questions guy
[11:29] <Riddell> _tom: did you have a question?
[11:29] <_tom> the mouse wheel will not work, not even an xev event :-(
[11:31] <Riddell> do you have         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"  in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:32] <_tom> i have, yes
[11:32] <_tom> PS/2 mouse, protocoll imps/2
[11:33] <Boogieman> my main question is, is kubuntu as easy as mandrake it is now.
[11:34] <gdh> does 'fuimps/2' exist as a proto in xorg?
[11:34] <gdh> I had to use that with one intellimouse I had...
[11:34] <Tm_T> Boogieman: easier?
[11:34] <gdh> although this was a few years ago
[11:35] <hunger> I have not seen updates to hoary for days. Is that intended? How can I upgrade to the development version?
[11:35] <_tom> who do i know whether it exists?
[11:35] <Boogieman> Tm_T i need a nearly fool proof linux. otherwise i cant use it
[11:35] <gdh> _tom: read the manpages :)
[11:35] <Tm_T> heh
[11:35] <Tm_T> Boogieman: try live-cd first ;)
[11:35] <owner> hm
[11:35] <glass-eye> C# will probably be a little faster in some circumstances because it makes you use explicit casting rather than late binding
[11:35] <glass-eye> damni
[11:35] <glass-eye> t
[11:35] <Boogieman> Tm_T that is what i download at the monent
[11:36] <_tom> gdh: won't help :-/
[11:36] <hunger> Boogieman: There is no foolproof linux!
[11:36] <Tm_T> there is no foolproof os at all!
[11:36] <hunger> Boogieman: Whenever someone makes linux foolproof some other idiot runs of to improve the fools!
[11:37] <Tm_T> =)
[11:37] <gdh> Tm_T: No, for fools are so ingenious :)
[11:37] <Tm_T> =)
[11:37] <kevins> hi, i was just tryin to rip a cd into mp3 with grip but i don't know what encoder i need,any help?
[11:38] <Tm_T> eh
[11:38] <Tm_T> kevins: kubuntu wiki ?
[11:38] <Boogieman> and a community that is willing to answer beginner questions is always good for everyone. because when you have low knowlegde how shall you find the information sources the "experts" want you that you had read before begging to ask them
[11:38] <hunger> kevins: Go to #ubuntu with the gnome problems!
[11:38] <hunger> kevins: Use konqui if you are in debian.
[11:38] <Boogieman> but when he does it under kunbuntu?
[11:38] <Tm_T> err
[11:38] <kevins> well i'm usin kubuntu i just have the same problem with kaudiocreator
[11:39] <Tm_T> hunger: no need to yell all the time?
[11:39] <hunger> Boogieman: He can't as there is no Gnome stuff in kubuntu.
[11:39] <hunger> Tm_T: I am yelling? I see my text in (mostly) lowercase.
[11:40] <hunger> Boogieman: At least not by default...
[11:40] <Boogieman> ok
[11:40] <kevins> ya i downloaded it through the respositories
[11:41] <hunger> kevins: You don't like audiocd:/ url in konqui?
[11:42] <_tom> anybody getting a wheel mouse to work with kubuntu?
[11:42] <kevins> it doesn't have mp3 encoding
[11:42] <hunger> kevins: That should be set up for you on the kubuntu install... although I have not tried that yet.
[11:42] <Tm_T> hunger: ! ;)
[11:43] <kevins> alls i need is the name of the encoder
[11:44] <gdh> lame ?
[11:44] <gdh> "lame - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder"
[11:44] <gdh> although of course.. it is :)
[11:45] <hunger> kevins: Looks like no mp3 encoder is installed...
[11:46] <kevins> gdh; thanks
[11:46] <gdh> kevins: you'll need multiverse for that, etc.
[11:47] <gdh> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[11:52] <hunger> kevins: Just installing lame does not include it in audiocd:/
[11:57] <kevins> gdh, thanks that worked