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=== Kamion suspects at least part of the latter [12:03] eas a change made to font renering between rc and final? [12:03] was* [12:03] i cant get bitstream vera sans to not look like crap since I upgraded yesterday === Goshawk [~Goshawk@82.49.113.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === clint [~clint@thumb.scru.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === clint is now known as Clint [12:10] good night everybody === pitti falls asleep === tritium [~mrimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === chris38 [~bayle@192.44.60.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] mdz: maybe we should post a call for awful hacks :-) [12:25] invite me :) === azeem_ [~mbanck@ppp-82-135-13-128.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] hi azeem_ [12:27] hi Andrew [12:35] Kamion: fine with me [12:35] Kamion: I think you produced awful hacks because you had a full schedule [12:36] in addition to any inclination to report them ;-) === desrt [~desrt@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee_ [~byte@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Benoni [~liblit@byrd.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m_tthew [matt@iorek.ice-nine.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === florent [~florent@pluton.sarcelle.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] mdz: probably accurate ... [12:42] casper has its share of awful hacks; I just haven't gotten around to adding them yet === florent [~florent@pluton.sarcelle.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:43] as does kickseed, for that matter [12:43] but they're not very urgent to undo === Arr0gance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] and in fact some of them may be further propagated ;) === Benoni [~liblit@byrd.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trukulo [~trukulo@176.red-62-57-69.user.auna.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [~jcole@palwebproxy1.core.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] ogra/seb128: is #8339 a GTK issue or an hwdb-client issue? [01:16] i need help with .udebs [01:17] for the live cd i'm trying to remaster wit ha different kernel [01:17] is there a way to convert a .deb to a .udeb? [01:17] doko: are you sure about #145430? it doesn't look like a gcc-3.4 bug [01:18] jcole: no, they are quite different things [01:18] jcole: to produce the udebs, build the linux-source-2.6.10 source package [01:18] mdz: i saw kernel-wedgefor kernels, but what about making udebs of other apps? [01:20] mdz: i'm guessing i have to apt-get debian-installer and build stuff from source === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] jcole: no, you don't need debian-installer [01:21] jcole: what is it that you want to accomplish? [01:21] if it is to use a different kernel on the live CD, you only need to build linux-source-2.6.10, and that will give you udebs === astharot- [~isager@host95-161.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] mdz: i'm trying to something unnatural [01:23] doko: also #6820? [01:24] mdz: installing an fc3 kernel on the ubuntu live cd (so a certain proprietary app will work)... works on a regular install of ubuntu just fine, believe it or not [01:25] jcole: that will be complicated for the live CD [01:25] doko: also #93991 [01:26] doko: also #253096. how did you generate this list? [01:28] mdz: but is it possible... :) [01:28] jcole: of course === disturbed1 [~disturbed@ip68-0-142-12.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] mdz: does the live cd actually use the kernel in /boot in to cloop? or does it get it from a udeb? ... does it boot the /boot/ cloop kernel and load the modules from the udebs? (during the probe for hardware) [01:35] jcole: it doesn't use the kernel in the cloop, only the modules [01:36] jcole: it does, however, use the modules === lamont re-reads what mdz wrote, sighs at self [01:36] ah [01:36] it boots using the kernel in /install, unpacks the modules from the udebs and uses those for hardware detection, then loads any remaining modules from the cloop while it's booting [01:37] the modules in the cloop must generally match those in the udebs [01:37] for sanity's sake [01:38] jcole: swapping in the CD kernel is easy, swapping in the cloop modules is also easy. the complicated bit is making udebs out of the modules; we don't have a tool to make udebs from an arbitrary kernel [01:38] they're built from our kernel source [01:39] our kernel source and kernel-wedge (together) contain the lists of which modules go in which udebs [01:40] if you build a .deb out of your kernel, you could possibly use kernel-wedge to slice it up into udebs [01:40] mdz: is there kernel-putter too ? [01:41] lifeless: no, but we have many kernel drivers [01:41] ) === goedson [~goedson@200.150.31.130] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] mdz: sounds like if i hack up install/initrd.gz just right i may get this to work === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] mdz: along with putting the right install/vmlinuz and boot/vmlinuz (cloop) [01:51] after this, it will prove that i am brave, crazy, and/or stupid [01:56] jcole: if you can fit all of the modules you need in the initrd, yes, that could work [01:56] there is a size limit, which varies per architecture [01:57] mdz: when linux boots and searches for modules to load.... how is that different than d-i searching for modules to load? [02:00] mdz: seems a bit redundant, doesn't it? [02:01] jcole: d-i loads the modules from external locations and unpacks them into the filesystem, where LInux can find them [02:04] when d-i boots, modules are loaded from the install/initrd.gz and the udebs? [02:06] after all that, when booting into the cloop, modules are then loaded from /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386? === jcole head explodes [02:08] jcole: the initrd contains a minimum set of modules needed to detect the CD [02:09] jcole: the remaining modules are loaded from the udebs once things are up and running [02:09] jcole: the udebs contain the minimum set of modules needed to detect the network, disks, etc. [02:09] jcole: the cloop has a complete set of modules (sound drivers, etc.) === knoppix__ [~knoppix@h-67-100-206-146.cmbrmaor.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] mdz: oh ok... this is a bit complicated [02:10] jcole: what did I tell you? ;-) [02:10] :) [02:10] jcole: if you want to do it quick and dirty, you can probably get what you need by adding your modules to the initrd and the cloop [02:11] the installer will still unpack the udebs of course, but they'll be ignored (assuming your kernel isn't version 2.6.10-5-386) [02:15] mdz: what would happen if i put *all* modules from /lib/modules/2.6.xxxx into the initrd.gz? [02:15] mdz: attempts to load them all? === stuNNed_ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] jcole: it will probably end up loading the hotpluggable ones [02:16] but that should be harmless [02:16] I'd be more worried about the size of the initrd [02:16] 55M /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7 === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] mdz: one last question ;) what does d-i use for hardware detection? [02:22] jcole: in Ubuntu 5.04, it uses hotplug === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] mdz: cool, that's good [02:23] mdz: thanks for your help [02:23] mdz: i will report here my progress tomorrow [02:23] jcole: good luck [02:23] like you guys care, but still [02:24] jcole: if you succeed, it would be nice to have a document in the wiki explaining the procedure [02:24] (hint) ;-) [02:24] gotcha [02:24] heh...yay! slashdot fud === zul has to stop reading slashdot [02:25] haha === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] mdz: PING? [02:32] ? [02:33] you closed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9048 but as a dupe but i still have no idea how to fix it :) [02:33] without manually editting /etc/environment === jba [~jba@210.185.67.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] Amaranth: you can reinstall, or you can edit /etc/environment [02:36] *sigh* [02:37] editing /etc/environment would be the better plan [02:37] hi guys, not sure if this is a developers question but not getting many useful answers in #ubunut. I can't seem to find the Schedule (i.e. timings) for the ubuntudownunder conference === Amaranth gets to guide a bunch of newbs through editting this file [02:37] what should it be set to? [02:37] I live in sydney and would love to attend, but I need to know if I can make it after work? [02:37] jba: that's because there isn't one yet [02:37] mdz thanks dude [02:37] i'll check in closer to the dates then? [02:38] jba: if your question is whether things will still be happening in the evening, the answer is yes [02:38] i'm a mono/pptpclient hacker so don't really have much to contribute, but i hafve been using/loving ubuntu for a while now [02:38] though we don't yet have a schedule showing what is happening when [02:39] well I'd still love to attend, it's just that I have a two month old son, with whom i tend to spend all of mytime [02:40] so if it's gonna be stuff like "kernel optimisation processes" in the evening, then I don't think I'll make it :) [02:42] there will be parallel tracks [02:42] one of them will be for Ubuntu development plans, and will be very technical [02:42] there will also be an Ubuntu community track, which will be less technical, happening at the same time [02:42] so there will always be something in which to participate === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] cool === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jba [~jba@210.185.67.18] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen hands jba a nine-of-diamonds === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] I suppose I'm not going to find disaster recovery utils on the live/install CD [03:12] should i submit a requesting that the LiveCD have tools added to it by default to detect and recover partitions incase i.e. WinXP system managment console decides to erase my partition table when i ask it to add an extended logical drive in 37.4 gigs of unpartitioned space in my extended partition? [03:13] *cough* [03:13] or would this be an "enhancement"? [03:13] there is a tool to do that [03:13] it's an enhancement [03:13] oh sweet, which one [03:13] you can file a bug with priority enhancement [03:14] I can't remember offhand, but it saved me a few times :) [03:14] heh [03:17] http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html that looks like it will do it but it's not what I used [03:17] i'll try gparted and stuff [03:18] Nigelenki: it already contains parted [03:18] which is one of the best tools for that kind of work [03:18] mdz: I know it has parted, but I *cough* don't like the parted cli (rather, I like it but I don't yet know how to use it) [03:19] mdz: last time I checked parted wont recover a shagged table [03:19] damn. [03:19] I know a mandrake install cd will do it [03:19] "Rescue partition table" [03:19] GoneBoB: see the 'rescue' command in parted [03:19] mdz: :) [03:19] excellent :) [03:19] gpart is also good in such situations; that one is not on the live CD [03:20] yes, gpart was what I was talking about [03:20] mdz: 30 points to you. Gparted however would be ideal, as well. . . even sysadmins are spoiled these days (look at MS, doing away with CLI in favor of GUI utils o_o). [03:21] Nigelenki: knowing how to use the CLI means you generally understand how it works [03:21] which is much better [03:21] GoneBoB: I tend to like understanding how things work [03:21] it's easier for me to work with something when i know what I'm doing. [03:22] like when I code, I code thinking about what's going on with stuff in memory, how things are being moved, locking, what things are affected by what changes, and how the changes are done in terms of steps taken by the CPU (not 1:1 instructions but closer than high level code; helps to optimize C code) [03:22] because I love easy to use, intuitive interface; but I really REALLY want to know what it is I'm doing [03:23] anyway, too much white noise I guess, though this place was inactive when I got here :) === Nigelenki goes to the bugzilla; also, gpart is interesting [03:29] ok gparted doesn't have a rescue option [03:31] parted CAN'T find anything === herzi [~herzi@d006098.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] gpart is finding stuff. [03:32] 11.44TiB in 4 days on torrents, not bad [03:35] calc: your mirror? [03:35] the t.u.c [03:36] ah, yes [03:36] lamont: torrent.ubuntu.com:6969 [03:36] yea [03:38] are there md5sums for http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/release/dvd/ ? === stub [~stub@203-206-239-200.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] We really need a protocol as simple as windows file sharing. Just without the suck. === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] ok well didn't work :( [03:54] I didn't lose anything important [03:54] I'll jsut reinstall. [03:56] wasabi: windows file sharing is hardly simple :) [03:56] wasabi: webdav+mdns-sd = simple :) [03:57] and thats pushing it :) [03:57] webdav is missing a lot really. [03:57] It is simple from the user/config point of view. [03:57] in what way [03:57] Any machine can access any other (given auth constraints). [03:57] And have full control: ACLs, extended attributes. [03:57] Etc. [03:57] sure thats why you use authentication.... [03:57] I mean *SET* ACLs [03:58] you could do that with webdav [03:58] possibly not with apache [03:58] don't know anything about extended attributes [03:58] I suspect WebDAV isn't very good about locking. [03:58] Not as Just Worky as CIFS anyways. === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] wasabi: well, thats an entirely different concern [04:02] something that should be looked at i guess === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] wasabi: It depends on the server-side implementation. === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] morning [04:43] mornin2 [04:43] the new protocol. mornin2mornin [04:52] fabbione, in case you haven't noticed, bug 7078 has been re-opened today... I think it was an old favourite of yours [04:53] robitaille: none of the above [04:53] gamin is buggy [04:54] really badly buggy === stuNNed_ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] and on the sucketh meter its betwen 1 and 10 [05:01] do we have breezy love yet? [05:02] oohhh [05:02] not as far as i know === ogra [~ogra@p5089C8BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] ah, finally some stats: [05:08] http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/index.html.en === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] note that those lack the redirected install and live cds for i386 [05:10] 3.1 million files? [05:10] maswan: nice [05:10] oh thats - [05:10] so like 95000 kubuntu install cds [05:11] yowzas [05:11] and 90,000 - the redirected once [05:12] so is breezy not really setup for use yet? i see the dirs there but no Packages files [05:12] the redirected ones are 4.6TB by now [05:12] calc: i would say no [05:13] and does not turn up in that ftp stats page [05:13] i don't expect breezy to get into swing for another 3 weeks [05:13] altho i suspect breezy will open up sometime this week === Unfrgiven [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.134.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] maswan: 9 petabytes ? === Unfrgiven [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] terabyte even [05:25] sladen: 14 terabytes if you include those additional 4.6 and the smaller ubuntu directories of a few hundred gigs === stuNNed_ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed__ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crb [~crb@hermitage.hs.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] Hi all. [05:51] I'm trying to remaster an ubuntu installer cd with specific packages/preseed. Started with a copy off the CD, but the installer is complaining that it's not an Ubuntu CD. [05:51] Any ideas why? === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] (well, it's obvious why; any word on how d-i knows :) === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76_ [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee_ is now known as bytee [06:25] crb: Missing the .info directory (or whatever it's called) in the root of the CD? === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === s1 [~simon@pool-71-106-30-248.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] womble: think thats it. *slaps rsync* Cheers for that! [06:39] mdz: ping? === stuNNed [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth heads for bed === Boenne [~b@cpe.atm2-0-1101155.0x503f8eca.bynxx8.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonathaN [jonathan@4-16-ftth.onsnet.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nohar [~nohar@je.suis.t1r.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] Good morning [07:48] hey pitti === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] Hey pittithom. [07:57] Hi infinity! How's mozilla going? [08:00] Well enough. Right now, I'm booking flights to Sydney, though. [08:01] infinity: you definitely UDUing then? [08:01] fabbione: pong [08:01] And my visa expires in two days. Immigration and I have another apointment tomorrow to fix that. [08:01] i drank a lava lamp [08:01] it wasn't lava [08:01] thom : Apparently I am, yes. :) [08:01] infinity: ouch. [08:01] not good [08:02] Could be worse, I guess. [08:02] worse as in already expired? [08:03] Yeah. :) === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:03] When I go in tomorrow and give them 1800+ AUD, they should give me a bridging visa while we sort out my de facto spousal visa thing. [08:03] Or something. === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] I've been told not to worry. So, I'm worrying. [08:04] heh [08:04] Which seemed a resonable thing to do. [08:04] yeah, seems fair [08:07] flatmate only got his visa renewed on the day it expired [08:07] hey pitti [08:07] Hey pinh^Wfabbione === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] thom : What time/day do you arrive in Sydney? === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] sydney? sunday i guess === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] thom: are you still working on the readhead stuff? [08:12] and boot speed optimization? [08:13] elmo: ping [08:14] fabbione: oui === spo0nman [~pankaj@spo0nman.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] thom: you are going to have some extra fun with 2.6.12 [08:15] oh? [08:15] thom: they added support for timestamps on printk [08:15] so you can see exactly how long it takes to boot the kernel [08:15] oh lordy [08:15] and how long certain operations take [08:17] Well, that was a necessary feature to add in a stable branch. === fabbione needs more coffee [08:17] infinity: 2.6.x is not stable any more :-/ [08:17] Annodex talk coming up soon: http://150.203.247.2:8810/ (theatre), http://150.203.247.2:8811/ (screen) -> discuss in #annodex on freenode === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] pitti : Was it ever? [08:17] infinity: no, 2.4 was [08:17] pitti : I was using the term "stable" lightly. [08:18] infinity: I think it's a shame that they don't have a stable branch any more ... :-( [08:18] Well, they do. 2.4 still is. Heck, so is 2.2. [08:18] But 2.6's patch acceptance policy does seem a bit 'out there'. [08:18] infinity, stable and useful was what I think they were looking for [08:18] this reminds me of stable woody vs. unstable sid... [08:18] a _bit_? === infinity still uses 2.4 on a large number of systems. [08:19] certainly not on a desktop? [08:19] The only really desktopish desktop I have is the laptop here, which is running a stock ubuntu 2.6 kernel right now, but probably shouldn't be. [08:20] noooooo! a OO.o vulnerability *sigh* [08:20] Or, at least, it needs some talking to. It really doesn't get a long with the ATA drivers in the current hoary kernels. It's happy with old 2.4 stuff. [08:20] pitti: nooooooooooo! [08:20] :(( [08:20] pitti: aaaaiiiieee [08:21] http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/395516 [08:23] At least it's an easy bug to fix. [08:23] infinity: yeah, it's trivial, but it still requires the users to download shitloads of MB [08:24] And there, my flights are confirmed. [08:24] a friend of mine (modem user) suggested "patch" debs, just like the rpm counterpart [08:24] infinity: cool [08:24] pitti : Mail then new CDs. :) [08:24] s/then/them/ [08:25] Too late for patches to work, you would have had to have the openoffice deb depend on an empty "openoffice-security-patches" metapackage or something. [08:25] At least, to get automatic updates to work. [08:26] no, I mean patch debs in general [08:26] not oo.o specific [08:26] In general, it's quite a shift. === jonathaN [jonathan@4-16-ftth.onsnet.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] do you guys manage your own packages? or just re-package stuff you get from gnome/other places ? === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix [~smurf@run.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] spo0nman, most of Universe is built out of debian sid [08:36] ubuntu is about to sync to debian sid [08:36] there is also some packages for the stuff at apt-get.org repos [08:37] hmm ok, [08:37] but the stuff in main is mostly Ubuntu specific stuff, though Ubuntu tries to pass stuff back upstream as much as possible [08:37] (And we also have many ubuntu-specific packages, and we often have newer versions of the Debian packages than Debian has...) [08:37] spo0nman : To answer your original question: "Yes, both". [08:38] hmm ok. [08:38] infinity: how's the PHP5 work going? [08:38] and goodmorning :-) [08:38] to intorduce myself, Iv been a debian user since the last 8 years and have done some level of gtk programmin to be at bug fixing level. [08:39] rubenv : It's currently a "spare time" thing, but someone sent me some pretty comprehensive patches, so it's not much work for me to polish it up. [08:39] In warty thereis no software to burn cds? does nautilus burn:/// work well I havent tried it yet fund about it only today. [08:39] rubenv : When breezy opens up, I'll upload it at some point, and get php4 and php5 to swap seeds (putting php5 in main for breezy) [08:40] infinity: well, I've sent you 2 or 3 patches, I hope they still apply to 5.0.4 [08:40] infinity: uhm, you're going to remove php4 from main for breezy? [08:40] spo0nman : If you have "universe" in your sources.list, you should have access to pretty much everything you would have had on a Debian system. [08:40] Mithrandir : Well, that or leave php4 and php5 in. Whichever seems saner. === spo0nman does not understand universe. ddoc? [08:41] universe is all free software that is not supported by canonical [08:41] spo0nman: universe are basically packages done by the motu's, not the main supported packages [08:41] Mithrandir : Dropping php4 to unsupported seems more reasonable, from a "not causing Martin too muhc unwaranted pain" perspective. [08:41] universe is a polished pul in of debian sid [08:41] another question, can i make a mix match in the source-list of ubuntu and debian server .... BAD things will happen? [08:41] infinity: well, I'm going to hate you moderately for that, since that means we can't upgrade to breezy for a while. [08:42] rubenv: Where does the "polished" bit come into it? [08:42] spo0nman: wiki/UniversePackages [08:42] womble: motu [08:42] Mithrandir : "we"? [08:42] Annodex talk is on *now*: http://150.203.247.2:8810/ (theatre), http://150.203.247.2:8811/ (screen) -> discuss in #annodex on freenode [08:42] infinity: hardware.no === stuNNed [~stuNNed@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] infinity: being a medium-to-large PHP shop, it's not trivial to port to php5 [08:42] Mithrandir : Can't move to php5 at hardware.no, or don't trust the packaging to stabilise? [08:42] Mithrandir : The former, I see. [08:42] infinity: former, at least yet. === rubenv 'll backport any breezy php5 to hoary, I need to deploy them on a stable sys [08:43] Mithrandir : The last place I worked, I spent a large portion of last year porting their stuff to php5, so they could move "eventually". [08:43] Mithrandir : No one's stopping you from running universe packages at hardware.no, are they? I'm not going to petition to drop php4 completely, just demote it. [08:44] infinity: if the patches i've sent you don't apply anymore, don't mind poking me to fix them [08:44] infinity: yeah, sure. Eventually, after porting a few hundred thousand lines of code. [08:44] infinity: I'm not going to run an unsupported version of php4. [08:44] Mithrandir: have you tried running it on php5? [08:44] rubenv : Someone just sent me a mess of patches a day or two ago. If that wasn't you, then someone else is also just as interested. :) [08:44] infinity: there's just too many security holes. [08:44] turn on compat [08:44] rubenv: no, as there are no packages yet. :) [08:44] infinity: swell :-) [08:45] Mithrandir : Hrm. True dat. Well, argue with me about it when I actually bring up changing seeds. Maybe I'll change my mind, or come to my sense, or someone else will override me. [08:45] infinity: I'll just bribe you with beer at UDU [08:45] Mithrandir : I don't drink much. [08:45] Mithrandir: unfair advantage ;-) [08:45] Mithrandir : Bribe me with something better, and we'll talk. :) === rubenv gets breakfast, I gotta be on campus by 10 === infinity runs to find a bottle of Coke. [08:46] infinity: cocoa, then? [08:47] infinity: chocolate, glass beads, whatever it takes. :) === nullaresnata [~maia@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] Heh. [08:57] elmo :ping. === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] pitti: test.xml? [09:03] thom: sorry, I wanted to ask before [09:04] thom: I'm testing a jabber vulnerability (crash), can I test this with you? [09:04] sure [09:04] thom: I have no idea where gaim has an "XML console", but I'd like to play around with that [09:04] in any way it crashes if I stop a file transfer... [09:05] hrm [09:05] but actually I wanted to crash _your_ gaim... [09:05] my gaim was pretty uncrashed [09:05] i need to go now, sorry dude [09:05] I stopped the transfer [09:05] cause I wanted to warn you first [09:05] oh, ok [09:05] (have to get a coach back to sydney) === snaggen [~snaggen@c-ab7070d5.034-37-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] pitti : WOuld you consider this Win32-specific? http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/mfsa2005-25.html [09:11] infinity: hmm, it doesn't look particularly Win-specific === snaggen [~snaggen@c-ab7070d5.034-37-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] pitti : Well, except for the part where UNIX/Linux doesn't rely on file extensions to determine if a file is executable. [09:13] The BUG isn't Win32-specific, but the vulnerability might be seen as such. === pitti is @phone [09:17] back [09:17] infinity: no, but still you could download an ELF file which is named like a GIF, no? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-15-174.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] pitti : Erm, you can always do that. [09:19] chmod etc. [09:19] pitti : This bug is that I can make a file called "foo.gif.bat", which is both a valid GIF and a valid batch file, and it'll display as a GIF in the webpage, but if you DnD it to the desktop, you can run it as a batch file. [09:19] pitti : I don't see how this could affect UNIX. [09:20] phone again [09:20] pitti : With any web browser, I can feed you "foo.gif" which is an ELF executable. Nothing can "protect" against that. [09:20] unforgeable mime-types! [09:21] pitti : But, on UNIX, nothing you download will automatically be +x [09:21] (Or, it shouldn't be.. if it is, that's a different bug, though, not this one) [09:22] s/download/drag'n'drop/ === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] infinity: back, supporting my gf at the phone.. :-) === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] infinity: okay, I'm convinced about the +x thing :-) [09:36] pitti : Does your GF run Ubuntu? [09:36] infinity: no, a pre-woody [09:37] infinity: pentium 100, 48 MB RAM [09:37] infinity: I compiled bazaar for her [09:37] *insert obvious "woody" joke* [09:37] infinity: but she had some troubles installing it since e. g. libxml2 was not even woody-recent [09:38] infinity: I offered her to give here a more recent computer very often, but she just likes that old thing [09:40] Scary. === martink [~martin@pD955E0DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] I gave away my last machine that was that slow a few years back... [09:41] Several years, even. [09:41] Though I still have two P200 systems in service at the homes of my parents and brother, acting as firewall systems. [09:43] my slowest machine is an old unused 600MHz laptop [09:44] (but I still have 80% of a P100-era PC) [09:45] (Sony 2-speed CD player, anyone? QIC-80 tapedrive?) === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_douglas [~mike@70.70.204.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] "old unused 600MHz laptop"... I hate you. :) [09:48] The machine I've been working on for the last year is a 550MHz laptop. [09:48] infinity: it's falling apart [09:48] With no battery. [09:48] And a missing key. [09:49] infinity: I've only just bought a new one (2 weeks ago) [09:49] And X and the kernel both hate it in neat and interesting ways. [09:49] oh, mine works quite well.. one loose key, but lots of damage to the plastic "shell" === lionel_ [~lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] Oh, that too. I have a mess of glue on this thing. [09:50] The back sort of pries open when you close the lid. [09:50] I have 2 huge white spots where I rest my hands when typing [09:50] yay [09:50] inotify 0.22 works [09:50] fabbione: works or Works ? [09:50] Oh well, I'll be bringing this laptop to UDU, so everyone can make fun of it/me in person. [09:51] bah my laptop is much worse [09:51] infinity: don't worry, we've seen the stuff sladen and mako haul around :) [09:51] when you see it in UDU [09:51]