[12:08] <froud> good night all
[12:08] <mdke> night froud :)
[12:10] <mdke> 189 wiki edits in the last 24 hours or so
[12:22] <sm> see you
[12:22] <mdke> bye sm
[12:22] <mdke> see ya again soon
[04:46] <jsgotangco> halooooo
[05:18] <jsgotangco> hi Burgundavia
[05:18] <Burgundavia> salut
[06:04] <jsgotangco> hmmm im getting confused at kvio's interface..it seems to want to be visio but it cant
 KDE is just trying to imitate Windows anyway </troll>
[06:05] <jsgotangco> bah at least it works most of the time
[07:35] <froud> African Greetings
[07:36] <jsgotangco> hi froud!
[07:51] <Burgundavia> salut
[08:26] <jsgotangco> hi dave!
[08:26] <dave> hiya
[08:26] <Burgundavia> salut daven 
[08:26] <daven> morning
[08:27] <Burgundavia> evening still here
[08:27] <Burgundavia> for another 33 minutes
[08:27] <daven> hehe
[08:27] <daven> 07:30 here :)
[08:28] <daven> jsgotangco: i'll have to change it so it doesn't try to log me on as dave - dave is *always* gonna be someone else's ;-)
[08:28] <Burgundavia> that is why you choose something like mine
[08:28] <Burgundavia> I have never had a nick conflict and never will
[08:29] <daven> i lack the imagination :)
[08:29] <Burgundavia> you only need to be imaginative once
[08:29] <jsgotangco> ahh its only 2:30pm here
[08:30] <daven> i quite like a short nick - trying to type jsgotangco correctly at this time of the morning...
[08:30] <daven> ah - although i *have* just discovered tab-completion ;)
[08:31] <jsgotangco> haha
[08:31] <jsgotangco> daven, yes that is corrrecgt
[08:31] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, 
[08:31] <jsgotangco> Kinnison, 
[08:31] <jsgotangco> hehhe
[08:31] <Burgundavia> halo?
[08:31] <jsgotangco> mvirkkil, 
[08:31] <jsgotangco> no just tabbing crazy
[08:32] <Burgundavia> there is an annoying bug with my notifier
[08:32] <Burgundavia> it only pops up if i am on another tab
[08:32] <Burgundavia> even if I am at another workspace
[08:32] <jsgotangco> i am reading the svn book
[08:34] <daven> burgundavia :)
[08:43] <jsgotangco> froud: is it advisable to do stuff in trunk at the moment? I want to try something out in translating some stuff
[08:43] <froud> You can work on your working copy and test stuff
[08:44] <froud> if you commit I will merge it into branch. If we need it in branch, that is.
[08:44] <froud> remember while testing things you can always revert
[08:44] <jsgotangco> yah
[08:45] <jsgotangco> ok gotcha
[09:18] <jsgotangco> but there hasnt been much activity in trunk but i understand that
[09:30] <froud> not much, but people are welcome to work in trunk
[10:22] <mdke> morning all
[10:22] <froud_> morn
[10:22] <mdke> /afternoon/evening
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:23] <mdke> so are we getting cracking on the guides yet?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> well i am experimenting stuff on trunk at the moment
[10:25] <mdke> what sort of stuff?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> oh just some il8n stuff that i might pass to some team
[10:26] <mdke> oh right
[10:27] <mdke> you mean i18n ;)
[10:27] <jsgotangco> i was having a word war with someone from debian-tl on il8n stuff he thinks im diverting and doing something that is going against debian tl
[10:27] <jsgotangco> what did i say?
[10:27] <jsgotangco> i said il8n
[10:28] <mdke> with a 1 (one) not an l (ell)
[10:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, what have you been diverting?
[10:28] <jsgotangco> none
[10:29] <jsgotangco> its just trash talking bleah
[10:29] <mdke> lol
[10:29] <mdke> tl war
[10:29] <mdke> so when do we get to work on the guides?
[10:29] <mdke> froud_?
[10:30] <froud_> mmmmHmmmm
[10:31] <froud_> mdke: feel free to work in trunk. No stopping you
[10:31] <jsgotangco> adminguide.xml looks yummy
[10:31] <froud_> dig in 
[10:31] <mdke> froud_, right. presumably it is desirable to use the more stable wiki pages?
[10:31] <jsgotangco> im kind excited on what i saw in branch
[10:32] <froud_> then work in branch
[10:32] <jsgotangco> but branch always changes heh
[10:32] <mdke> what is the difference?
[10:32] <mdke> i thought the branch was just for you to write scripts and stuff
[10:32] <jsgotangco> mdke, branch has some new stuff that will be merged into trunk
[10:32] <froud_> the dir structure is changed
[10:33] <mdke> ok so they will be merged? changes won't be lost?
[10:33] <froud_> no changes will be lost inside document content
[10:33] <jsgotangco> hmmm it shouldnt
[10:33] <froud_> I must go back to work
[10:34] <jsgotangco> but i would probably start working on branch when breezy truly opens
[10:34] <jsgotangco> but no stopping us from improving trunk
[10:34] <mdke> well i'm a bit more confident working on content than I am on structure of xml documents, so I am keen that the documents I work on have already agreed structures
[10:35] <mdke> and also I'd like to know whether to use the more stable wiki documents for content
[10:35] <jsgotangco> good idea
[10:35] <jsgotangco> we can always revert anyway
[10:36] <mdke> did we get our accounts yet?
[10:36] <jsgotangco> i have not received anything yet
[10:36] <mdke> the request probably was drowned in a million emails
[10:36] <jsgotangco> hmmm i'm thinking of doing a blog
[10:36] <mdke> anyway we can work without accounts
[10:37] <mdke> right i have to go to school
[10:37] <mdke> see ya
[10:37] <jsgotangco> ok see ya
[10:45] <jsgotangco> oh mr. sun, sun mr. golden sun, please shine down on me
[10:46] <Kinnison> Morning all
[10:47] <jsgotangco> Kinnison, hi
[10:49] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison 
[10:49] <Kinnison> salut
[11:52] <jsgotangco> arrgghh why cant gnome and kde apps get together
[11:53] <Kinnison> years of rivalry
[11:53] <Burgundavia> they are slowly
[11:53] <Burgundavia> see the cool things with pdf
[11:54] <Burgundavia> and the talks regarding gconf and kconfig
[11:55] <jsgotangco> yesshh is kinda cool knowing that is happening
[11:59] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, would it be advisable if i just use <quote> instead of &quot
[12:00] <Burgundavia> for what?
[12:01] <jsgotangco> for "" sign
[12:01] <jsgotangco> i am experimenting stuff on trunk
[12:01] <Burgundavia> no idea, ask froud
[12:03] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: You mentioned me?
[12:03] <Burgundavia> mvirkkil, he was goofing around
[12:03] <mvirkkil> ok.
[12:04] <jsgotangco> sorry bout that
[12:04] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: No problem.
[12:05] <jsgotangco> nice a usb disco dance floor in /.
[12:28] <jsgotangco> ok see you guys later
[04:19] <froud-work> whew, long day
[04:38] <brenx> Hi
[04:39] <froud-work> hi
[04:39] <brenx> first time here
[04:40] <brenx> and my english is not good
[04:40] <froud-work> welcome
[04:40] <brenx> but I am ubuntu user
[04:40] <brenx> :D
[04:40] <froud-work> cool, how long have you been using it
[04:40] <brenx> can I ask some questions
[04:40] <froud-work> sure
[04:40] <brenx> mot really long
[04:40] <froud-work> ok
[04:41] <brenx> but it is my only system on computer now
[04:42] <froud-work> where are you from?
[04:42] <brenx> Slovenia
[04:42] <froud-work> Ah, OK
[04:42] <froud-work> so what questions do you have?
[04:42] <brenx> do U know where is that
[04:42] <brenx> lots
[04:42] <froud-work> Yes
[04:42] <brenx> :D
[04:43] <brenx> but just cheking how does this work
[04:43] <brenx> don't have a lot of time now
[04:43] <brenx> must go back to work
[04:44] <froud-work> how does what work
[04:44] <froud-work> irc
[04:44] <froud-work> or ubuntu?
[04:44] <brenx> x-chat ubuntu comunity, ...
[04:45] <froud-work> Ah ok, I see. No problem. We do documentation etc. when we feel like it. So this is the Docteam Channel
[04:45] <brenx> sorry 4 bugging
[04:45] <brenx> must go now
[04:45] <brenx> bye
[04:46] <froud-work> not bugging anyone you are welcome, c ya
[04:46] <brenx> c ya
[06:07] <mdke> hi all
[06:08] <froud> hi
[06:09] <mdke> hows doing?
[06:10] <froud> good
[06:23] <jjesse> good
[06:46] <Burgundavia> hey sm
[06:46] <jjesse> slow day today in the channel?
[06:47] <froud> shhh, we're busy
[06:47] <sm> hey all
[06:47] <jjesse> grin
[06:47] <sm> mdke: yes, just rename that page with the problematic <-> 
[06:48] <mdke> how?
[06:48] <sm> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WebBrowsingSlowIVP6IVP4 -> rename form at bottom, or edit form
[06:48] <mdke> oh i c
[06:48] <mdke> doh
[06:48] <sm> :)
[06:49] <mdke> will do
[06:50] <sm> and do paste that bug report.. thanks
[06:50] <mdke> have done
[06:51] <mdke> #1083
[07:05] <Burgundavia> he leader to particpape
[07:05] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:05] <Burgundavia> anyboyd else see just raw unicode?
[07:05] <jjesse> on wht?
[07:06] <jjesse> on what?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> he leader to particpape
[07:06] <Burgundavia> that
[07:06] <jjesse> i see he leader to particp a pe
[07:06] <jjesse> he leader to particp
[07:06] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:06] <jjesse> and then characters
[07:06] <Burgundavia> wierd
[07:06] <mdke> i see some crazy stuff
[07:06] <Burgundavia> |00| something like that, both with four chars?
[07:07] <jjesse> so do you know you've in the linux world for a while when you start typing thier commands on a windows box
[07:07] <mdke> Burgundavia, yeah
[07:07] <jjesse> what do you mean ls is not a validcommand
[07:07] <Burgundavia> that is raw unicode
[07:07] <Burgundavia> your font has no way of displaying it
[07:07] <mdke> specifically, 00,08
[07:07] <mdke> yeah
[07:07] <mdke> i haven't got many fonts installed tho
[07:08] <Burgundavia> that seems to be bksp
[07:08] <Burgundavia> oe huats: your IRC client is really broken
[07:08] <Burgundavia> joe huats: we're seeing all your backspaces
[07:08] <Burgundavia> that is from #dashboard on gimpnet
[07:08] <Burgundavia> where I pasted it from
[07:08] <mdke> Burgundavia, are you making the technical board meet later?
[07:08] <Burgundavia> today, technical board?
[07:09] <mdke> yus
[07:09] <Burgundavia> err forgot about it
[07:09] <mdke> in 3 hours circa
[07:09] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:10] <Burgundavia> maybe I will grap some sleep and them come to the meeting
[07:10] <mdke> heh
[07:10] <jjesse> brb
[07:10] <mdke> body clock not following the crowd eh?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> whatever
[07:11] <mdke> :)
[07:13] <mdke> ok maybe see you later Burgundavia
[08:46] <froud> group question
[08:46] <froud> the moving of files in now over in branch
[08:46] <froud> the make system is not finished
[08:46] <froud> but we dont need the make system to write
[08:47] <froud> anyone think it a good idea for me to merge the branch back to trunk?
[08:48] <Burgundavia> do we need the make system until say Aug?
[08:50] <Burgundavia> my argument would be merge so we can start writing
[08:52] <froud> Yeah that is what I am thinking. People seem scared to write in trunk while I am in branch :-) dunno why, guess not clearly understanding merging and branching
[09:00] <mdke> for what its worth, i agree
[09:01] <froud> mdke: cool
[09:01] <mdke> although that's not the reason we're not writing in trunk
[09:01] <froud> doing a dry run now
[09:01] <mdke> cool
[09:01] <mdke> Burgundavia, get any sleep?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> nope
[09:02] <mdke> :/
[09:09] <froud> anyone else agree that I merge now
[09:48] <claude> froud: in the restructure branch, you didn't provide language folders for images
[09:48] <froud> I was wondering about that. do you think we should
[09:49] <claude> yes, for localized screenshots
[09:50] <froud> you sure we gonna do i18n screenshots
[09:50] <claude> of course :)
[09:50] <froud> whew that will be hectic
[09:50] <froud> who is gonna do them
[09:50] <froud> for each language
[09:51] <claude> translators...
[09:51] <claude> but we should find a system to default to english when there isn't localized ones
[09:52] <claude> i'm sure you'll find a way to script that ;-)
[09:53] <froud> I have the way, if you have the people to do the captures
[09:54] <claude> sure...
[09:55] <froud> well I will do it and default to C unless nn
[09:57] <mdke> surely the capturing won't be hard
[09:57] <mdke> we can do it ourselves ;)
[09:58] <froud> I see mdke and claude are volunteering themselves
[09:58] <claude> especially mdke
[09:58] <mdke> i'm happy to do some bulk screenshots
[09:58] <mdke> :)
[09:59] <claude> i'm confident with French team
[09:59] <claude> we are the champions
[09:59] <claude> :)
[10:00] <sm> go FRANCE :)
[10:00] <sm> or whichever french-speaking country you are in 
[10:00] <claude> Switzerland
[10:01] <claude> Hop Schwiiz
[10:01] <mdke> whos gonna stick up for us at the meeting?
[10:02] <mdke> bah
[10:03] <mdke> go england
[10:03] <froud> This svn server is gonna pop
[10:03] <sm> ENNNGLAND
[10:04] <mdke> heh
[10:04] <sm> see that's not fair either
[10:04] <froud> howoo cum to soud afrika
[10:05] <claude> do i have to do something special to join ubuntu-meeting ?
[10:05] <mdke> /j #ubuntu-meeting
[10:06] <mdke> there you go :)
[10:06] <claude> thx
[10:06] <claude> still not very familiar with xchat
[10:29] <mvirkkil> Is this BOF about restricted formats? http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDevelopment/MultiMedia
[10:29] <mdke> BOF?
[10:30] <mvirkkil> mdke: General brainstorming (Birds Of a Feather [flock together] ) meaning people with similar interests coming together. 
[10:30] <mdke> not sure about that page
[10:31] <mdke> if you want information on how to use restricted formats in Ubuntu there is a page on the main wiki
[10:31] <mvirkkil> mdke: No, I know all that. 
[10:32] <mdke> so what is it you would like to do?
[10:33] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'd like to add some suggestions about how to go about integrating restricted formats in to ubuntu, if that BOF is about it.
[10:33] <mdke> possibly: its for the meeting in Australia
[10:33] <mvirkkil> mdke: I've been working on the gnome-app-install stuff.
[10:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: Yeah, I know.
[10:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: But if it's about generally improving the legal multimedia stuff I really don't want to spam them about restricted formats.
[10:34] <mdke> not sure
[10:34] <mvirkkil> Yes, I figured as much ;-)
[10:35] <mdke> try #ubuntu-devel
[10:35] <mvirkkil> Well, another question: Why is there a separate wiki for UDU?
[10:35] <mdke> mvirkkil, its being tested
[10:35] <mdke> not sure why