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| lamont | fabbione: you around? | 01:37 |
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| zul | mmmm....slurpee | 02:29 |
| lamont | hrm... tempting | 02:29 |
| kylem | zul, what part of the city are you in? | 02:38 |
| zul | kanata | 02:38 |
| kylem | oh. sorry. | 02:38 |
| kylem | :) | 02:38 |
| zul | ok..enough with the kanata jokes i get enough of those at work :) | 02:39 |
| kylem | hehe. | 02:39 |
| zul | we arent that psycho | 02:39 |
| kylem | i can understand why it's a desireable place to live, it's just far. ;-) | 02:39 |
| zul | well its close to the corel center so when they turn on their power full blast we get blackouts | 02:40 |
| kylem | do you work downtown? | 02:40 |
| kylem | yikes. | 02:40 |
| zul | yep albert at bank... | 02:40 |
| zul | i rather work downtown then in kanata | 02:41 |
| kylem | we should meet up for a keysigning sometime. i hear you and willy met up befoe. | 02:41 |
| === lamont smacks the hppa rc2-pa1 patch into 2.6.12 | ||
| zul | kylem: sure.. | 02:41 |
| zul | i should be at the next oclug meeting as well though | 02:41 |
| kylem | cool. that works. | 02:42 |
| kylem | lamont, heh. | 02:42 |
| zul | freaking pinteric | 02:42 |
| kylem | i'm just relieved he didn't get elected. | 02:42 |
| lamont | kylem: mind you, it failed to apply :-( | 02:42 |
| kylem | lamont, ouch. i blame fabbione. | 02:42 |
| zul | heh | 02:42 |
| lamont | kylem: well, the fact that it applies on top of all the other patches, makes it really unsurprising | 02:43 |
| === lamont keeps the directory this time. :-) | ||
| kylem | lamont, lol. | 02:43 |
| lamont | kylem: turns out this one belongs completely to the parisc crowd | 02:46 |
| lamont | EXTRAVERSION, specifically | 02:46 |
| kylem | how so? | 02:46 |
| lamont | well, the file says 'EXTRAVERSION = ' and the parisc patch says 'rc2' -> rc2-pa1 | 02:47 |
| lamont | or rather tries to | 02:47 |
| lamont | E: linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.90-1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy | 02:47 |
| lamont | hrmpf | 02:47 |
| zul | miss usa is on tonight | 02:58 |
| lamont | building... time to wait for it to finish. | 03:20 |
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| fabbione | morning | 04:42 |
| kylem | lamont, heh, not removing the extraversion hunk is your fault. ;-) | 04:43 |
| lamont | kylem: herh | 04:44 |
| lamont | morning fabbione | 04:44 |
| lamont | hppa testbuild running, fwiw | 04:44 |
| fabbione | lamont: rocking.. the EXTRAVERSION needs to be set to = | 04:44 |
| fabbione | unfortunatly this is the 2nd hack required to build these version asymmetric kernels | 04:44 |
| lamont | fabbione: yeah | 04:44 |
| fabbione | and if you notice is the 2nd file modified in the .diff.gz | 04:45 |
| fabbione | because we can't patch it only at build time | 04:45 |
| fabbione | lamont: do you have the kernel-team admin passwd? | 04:47 |
| lamont | yes | 04:47 |
| fabbione | lamont: ok, are you administering it? | 04:47 |
| lamont | no worries here | 04:48 |
| fabbione | because i noticed a lot of subscription notifications | 04:48 |
| fabbione | but i can't do anything.. | 04:48 |
| zul | hey fabbione | 04:48 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 04:49 |
| zul | for external drivers that are not a patch i take i create the directory and all the config file goodiness | 04:49 |
| zul | er Kconfig | 04:50 |
| lamont | fabbione: I don't see that I have to actually _do_ anything with the subscriptions... | 04:50 |
| lamont | or is that not true, and I'm just clueless? | 04:50 |
| fabbione | lamont: no idea.. | 04:52 |
| fabbione | lamont: you didn't commit anything for hppa, did you? | 04:54 |
| zul | fabbione: new arch for me is at http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch | 04:55 |
| fabbione | lamont: i did update the sparc buildd to handle hoary-security and hoary-updates | 04:55 |
| fabbione | lamont: would you mind to double check with me if i did something horribly stupid? | 04:55 |
| fabbione | zul: ah ok | 04:55 |
| === zul applied for another job today.. | ||
| fabbione | actually.. i can't find how to deregister the old archive | 04:57 |
| zul | couldnt you remove it from your ~/.arch-params? | 04:57 |
| fabbione | nah found it | 04:58 |
| zul | cool | 04:58 |
| fabbione | baz register-archive -d | 04:59 |
| fabbione | baz register-archive http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch | 04:59 |
| fabbione | it hangs there.... | 04:59 |
| zul | frig.. | 05:00 |
| zul | hmmm...maybe i should install apache | 05:00 |
| fabbione | maybe? :) | 05:00 |
| zul | perhaps | 05:01 |
| zul | are you running 2.6.11.90 now? | 05:03 |
| zul | hmmm....the domain is not resolving.. | 05:04 |
| fabbione | yes.. on 2 machines | 05:05 |
| lamont | fabbione: you want me to check in the abi files for -1 as well? :-) | 05:05 |
| zul | and how is it running? | 05:05 |
| fabbione | lamont: keep them handy for -2 yes | 05:05 |
| fabbione | zul: i don'y really know.. i just installed it yesterday evening and it still didn't crash.. | 05:05 |
| lamont | fabbione: I could just check them into -1, and then they'd be there, no? | 05:05 |
| fabbione | zul: have to test idiotify later | 05:06 |
| zul | heh good luck | 05:06 |
| fabbione | lamont: nope.. they will be wiped away at the first make clean | 05:06 |
| fabbione | amd64 building | 05:12 |
| fabbione | ppc and ia64 starting now | 05:12 |
| fabbione | guys i was thinking to add a precompiler for control.stub | 05:13 |
| zul | why? | 05:14 |
| lamont | fabbione: yeah | 05:14 |
| fabbione | if [ -e debian/experimental ] ; then add_very_long_experimental_note_in_description; fi | 05:14 |
| fabbione | zul: to be able to add or remove something from all the descriptions without having to manually edit it | 05:15 |
| zul | ah ok good idea | 05:15 |
| lamont | yeah - I guess it's forgivable | 05:15 |
| zul | right new version of cpad..ill put it my arch tomorrow...im off to bed | 05:21 |
| zul | later.. | 05:22 |
| fabbione | lamont: anyway this is only a prebuild to see if the main kernel compiles | 05:23 |
| fabbione | abi files will be useless | 05:24 |
| fabbione | we still need to update all the drivers | 05:24 |
| fabbione | and add the new ones we want in | 05:24 |
| fabbione | like ipv6 statefull firewall | 05:24 |
| lamont | yes | 05:24 |
| fabbione | that will bring new config options and stuff like that | 05:24 |
| fabbione | go ppc it's your birthday! | 05:26 |
| fabbione | i hate that arch | 05:26 |
| === lamont decides to go to bed | ||
| fabbione | good night lamont | 05:40 |
| lamont | fabbione: btw, arch-hppa_pa1.dpatch sound good to you? (yeah, it's the megolith patch, but...) | 05:40 |
| fabbione | yeah sure :) | 05:40 |
| fabbione | since it touches a lot everywhere you can keep calling it pariscpa :) | 05:41 |
| fabbione | or whatever you prefer | 05:41 |
| fabbione | i really don't minf | 05:41 |
| fabbione | mind | 05:41 |
| fabbione | i want to keep a strict naming for the generic patches | 05:41 |
| lamont | is already committed as arch-hppa_pa1 | 05:41 |
| fabbione | ok fine for me | 05:41 |
| lamont | lamont@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90 | 05:42 |
| lamont | and currently mirroring | 05:42 |
| lamont | done | 05:42 |
| lamont | will commit back to the main branch in the morning after I verify that the builds succeeded, and maybe even boots | 05:42 |
| fabbione | sure | 05:43 |
| fabbione | works for me | 05:43 |
| fabbione | we are not going to release this kernel anytime soon anyway | 05:44 |
| fabbione | good night dude | 05:44 |
| fabbione | cya later | 05:44 |
| fabbione | Specialix DTR/RTS pin is RTS (SPECIALIX_RTSCTS) [N/y/?] (NEW) | 05:44 |
| fabbione | AH GREAT | 05:44 |
| fabbione | one of this options that can be object of endless fights | 05:44 |
| fabbione | i guess we will have to modify the driver to accept a boot option | 05:45 |
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| T-Bone | oy! | 01:06 |
| fabbione | hey T-Bone | 01:12 |
| T-Bone | hi fabbione | 01:12 |
| === T-Bone builds conserver on his ubuntu box, wishes it was in the archive :P | ||
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| === lamont boots 2.6.11.90-1 on hppa | ||
| fabbione | hey lamont | 02:29 |
| lamont | morning fabbione | 02:30 |
| fabbione | is it booting? | 02:30 |
| lamont | is booting | 02:34 |
| lamont | s/ing/ed/ | 02:35 |
| fabbione | neat | 02:35 |
| === lamont merges back to the trunk | ||
| lamont | fabbione: dch changed it to my changelog entry - I'm assuming you'll change it back before upload or some such | 02:37 |
| lamont | actually, looks like I'll get a conflict out of the merge, you busy boy you | 02:37 |
| fabbione | lamont: it depends a lot what you changed :) | 02:38 |
| fabbione | i am committing a lot | 02:38 |
| lamont | no conflict.. very odd | 02:38 |
| fabbione | nah.. it's not odd | 02:38 |
| fabbione | i didn't touch anything in hppa | 02:39 |
| === lamont was thinknig debian/changelog | ||
| fabbione | did you do a baz update? | 02:39 |
| lamont | si | 02:39 |
| fabbione | ok | 02:39 |
| === fabbione updates too | ||
| lamont | but I did the work on my branch several hours ago | 02:39 |
| fabbione | baz update | 02:40 |
| fabbione | * tree is already up to date | 02:40 |
| fabbione | it's not on main yet.. is it? | 02:40 |
| lamont | commit is _now_ finished | 02:40 |
| fabbione | ok | 02:40 |
| fabbione | it's grabbing | 02:40 |
| fabbione | yup | 02:41 |
| fabbione | no conflicts at all | 02:41 |
| fabbione | but we will have to rebuild other times | 02:42 |
| fabbione | at least after i finish to update all the external drivers | 02:42 |
| lamont | fabbione: sure | 02:43 |
| fabbione | i suggest that while we work on 2.6.11.9X we just ignore all the abi stuff | 02:44 |
| fabbione | it is enough not to upload l-r-m | 02:44 |
| fabbione | do we want to allign the configs across arch before this release or after? | 02:45 |
| fabbione | we have time for breezy anyway | 02:45 |
| T-Bone_ | lamont : have you fetched all of archive.slashdirt.org btw? | 02:52 |
| T-Bone_ | lamont : was considering that i could rebuild (parts of) main if needed. The autobuilder is idle | 02:52 |
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| zul | hey | 02:58 |
| lamont | T-Bone_: not recently, so I assume the answer is probably no | 02:59 |
| lamont | fetching now | 02:59 |
| T-Bone_ | lamont : ok. I've built everything that could be relatively easily built. 94.77% up to date | 03:00 |
| T-Bone_ | there's the kde mystery though | 03:01 |
| fabbione | YAY for ipw2200 and ipw2100! | 03:01 |
| fabbione | they are out of sync at upstream! | 03:01 |
| T-Bone_ | lamont : in any case, if you want me to build whatever's missing in main with a builder that has only main in sources.list, i can do that. In anycase, i'll be finishing rackmounting the new machines tomorrow at school, and I'll wait for your input to set them up | 03:02 |
| fabbione | T-Bone_: ah you didn't use the ogre model? | 03:05 |
| T-Bone_ | fabbione : given the *very* limited input i had, i used what i could setup by myself, mostly | 03:06 |
| === fabbione sends T-Bone_ back to debootstrapping phase | ||
| T-Bone_ | fabbione : you see, i'm not a buildd guru and that thing is not so well documented, so to speak | 03:06 |
| T-Bone_ | fabbione : ..|.. | 03:06 |
| T-Bone_ | ;) | 03:06 |
| fabbione | uhuhuh | 03:06 |
| zul | oh behave | 03:06 |
| fabbione | hppa is d00m3d | 03:07 |
| T-Bone_ | fabbione : it doesn't matter for universe | 03:07 |
| fabbione | it does for main | 03:07 |
| T-Bone_ | that's why lamont is only letting his 'main' packages in | 03:07 |
| T-Bone_ | and that's why there's my 'unofficial' (ugly) archive that has everything in it | 03:07 |
| zul | holy crap fabbione you been busy | 03:07 |
| T-Bone_ | fabbione : truth told, given we are now 3 people having hppa ubuntu running, we don't care much that our build-deps are not what they should be | 03:08 |
| fabbione | zul: i haven't finished yet... | 03:08 |
| fabbione | i am in the middle of ieeee ipw2100 and ipw2200 updates | 03:08 |
| fabbione | that are almost like circular build-deps | 03:08 |
| === T-Bone_ is now known as T-Bone | ||
| T-Bone | fabbione : now if you wanna write docs for the ogre model, i'd gladly read and use it :P | 03:10 |
| zul | i updated cpad last night and a ppp-mppe | 03:11 |
| fabbione | zul: ok | 03:11 |
| fabbione | good.. do they compile+ | 03:11 |
| fabbione | ? | 03:11 |
| zul | was going to try this morning | 03:11 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: it's way too easy to get you.. it's not even funny | 03:11 |
| T-Bone | if you say so | 03:12 |
| fabbione | zul: anyway right now the build will fail on ipw2200 | 03:12 |
| zul | and afs | 03:12 |
| zul | how come? | 03:12 |
| fabbione | afs ? | 03:12 |
| zul | amiga fs | 03:12 |
| fabbione | zul: because ieeee ipw2100 and ipw2200 depends on each other and i just finished ipw2100 | 03:13 |
| fabbione | i need to ipdate ipw2200 | 03:13 |
| zul | ah | 03:13 |
| fabbione | asfs <- | 03:13 |
| zul | thats what i meant | 03:13 |
| T-Bone | fabbione : truth is there are a couple of things that are *really* pissing me off. ia64 is one of them, wasting time because of lack of info is another, and being slapped because I haven't done something right *because of said lack of doc* is probably the biggest one ;P | 03:14 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: the latter is the funniest :P | 03:15 |
| fabbione | well right.. it was a long time i didn't bitch about ia64 | 03:15 |
| zul | T-Bone: do you want the new S.O.A.D mp3? | 03:16 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: mind to update the config for 2.6.12? | 03:16 |
| fabbione | :P | 03:16 |
| T-Bone | for you maybe. It's really getting on my nerves, given the *huge* amount of time i've spent/wasted in the process | 03:16 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: nah.. i already did it | 03:16 |
| fabbione | ia64 is up and runnign with 2.6.12 | 03:16 |
| fabbione | i would be more glad to get the installer working on it | 03:16 |
| fabbione | but there is nothing i can do for it | 03:16 |
| T-Bone | since last time i tried ia64 it was b0rken, i don't care much | 03:16 |
| fabbione | since i don't have racks and racks of ia64 | 03:16 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: that's the point.. you need to fix it as ia64 porter... | 03:17 |
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| fabbione | not expecting that everybody will fix it for you | 03:17 |
| fabbione | but anyway it is not my arch / not my choise.. | 03:17 |
| T-Bone | i don't have racks and racks, i have a rack, that's different. I can provide access. But I won't do anything without community backup, that i've been unable to get so far | 03:17 |
| === T-Bone contemplates bashing a few instutions on public m-ls btw | ||
| fabbione | instutions ? | 03:18 |
| T-Bone | fabbione : let me enlight you: I'm *NOT* an ia64 porter | 03:18 |
| T-Bone | if there are evidences that I am, they should be fixed | 03:18 |
| T-Bone | oh yeah, like Gelato for instance | 03:18 |
| T-Bone | aka "the guys that say 'yeah go for it we'll follow' and then watch you do the job" | 03:19 |
| fabbione | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/ia64/view?searchterm=ia64 | 03:20 |
| T-Bone | ic | 03:20 |
| fabbione | and no... | 03:20 |
| T-Bone | well, if i'm to fix it, my 'fix' will be deletion | 03:20 |
| fabbione | i didn't write that page it overnight :) | 03:21 |
| T-Bone | (of said page) | 03:21 |
| T-Bone | i know you didn't. It's remnant of some glorious past era | 03:21 |
| T-Bone | (being cynical) | 03:21 |
| T-Bone | this is quite a sensitive subject for me, since I didn't cover my ass, I'm the one in frontline | 03:22 |
| fabbione | zul: updating the ipw2200 now.. | 03:22 |
| fabbione | ipw2100 is done | 03:23 |
| zul | cool..im just trying to compile my stuff from last night | 03:23 |
| fabbione | so i am at 66.666666666666666666666666666666666666% | 03:23 |
| T-Bone | this has told me the hard way that one should cover his ass before doing anything, and has drastically reduced my faith in the "process" | 03:23 |
| zul | fabbione: have you fixed debian dir from being deleted? | 03:25 |
| fabbione | zul: of course.... | 03:27 |
| fabbione | that's the first thing i do on each major upstream | 03:27 |
| fabbione | zul: but i guess you still have to understand where the fix is :P | 03:27 |
| zul | :P | 03:27 |
| === fabbione grins | ||
| fabbione | zul: you will notice that in all our kernel releases there is one file in the kernel tree that is patches from outside debian/patches | 03:28 |
| fabbione | there is a reason for that :P | 03:28 |
| fabbione | and that's the same reason why i told you need to get all the stuff from people AND only after to replace the debian dir from baz | 03:29 |
| fabbione | lamont said that i was evil not telling you | 03:29 |
| fabbione | but you have been warned the day before ;) | 03:29 |
| fabbione | i couldn't spoil the fun | 03:29 |
| zul | figgers.. | 03:29 |
| fabbione | brb | 03:31 |
| zul | must...kill... | 03:31 |
| === T-Bone hands zul his pocket-sized bazooka | ||
| lamont | hrm... could kernel-team use USD 275M?... | 03:31 |
| lamont | nah - I'll drop that email | 03:31 |
| zul | kernel-versions? | 03:33 |
| === T-Bone reads some very interesting article quoted on ubuntu-devel ml | ||
| fabbione | lamont, T-Bone: does hppa have some kind of HT? | 03:37 |
| T-Bone | no | 03:37 |
| T-Bone | all SMPness | 03:37 |
| fabbione | HT like in HyperThreading | 03:37 |
| fabbione | ok | 03:37 |
| zul | i still suck | 03:37 |
| T-Bone | (ie: dual core CPUs are seen as 2 CPUs) | 03:38 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: never mind how the OS looks at them | 03:38 |
| T-Bone | (assuming you're talking about CONFIG_HT) | 03:38 |
| fabbione | i am talking if it has HT in hardware | 03:38 |
| fabbione | with dual core and so on | 03:38 |
| T-Bone | it has dual cores yeah | 03:38 |
| fabbione | ok thanks | 03:38 |
| T-Bone | in pa8800 | 03:38 |
| T-Bone | (latest CPUs) | 03:38 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: ok thanks | 03:40 |
| T-Bone | fabbione : where comes that sudden interest for PA-RISC features? ;) | 03:41 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: curiosity mainly | 03:41 |
| fabbione | i don't know much about hppa hw | 03:41 |
| fabbione | other than the 9100 is a huge empty piece of crap | 03:42 |
| zul | ok...i give up | 03:42 |
| T-Bone | fabbione : hehe. Well, just to reassure you: yeah, SparcSucks4 sucks, as the name suggest ;) | 03:42 |
| fabbione | zul: ? | 03:42 |
| === zul bows at the mercy of fabbione | ||
| fabbione | zul: can you explain me the problem? | 03:42 |
| T-Bone | SparcsSuxtyFour, even | 03:42 |
| zul | the debian deleting | 03:42 |
| zul | there is kernel-versions and package-list outside the debian directory | 03:43 |
| fabbione | zul: did you grab the .diff .dsc from people.u.c when i published it? | 03:43 |
| zul | yep | 03:43 |
| fabbione | did you unpack it with dpkg-source -x .dsc ? | 03:43 |
| fabbione | no | 03:43 |
| zul | uh.. | 03:43 |
| fabbione | you unpacked the orig | 03:44 |
| zul | yeah | 03:44 |
| fabbione | and sticked the debian dir in that | 03:44 |
| T-Bone | bwahahaha | 03:44 |
| === T-Bone larts zul 8) | ||
| fabbione | you know.. the diff.gz.. | 03:44 |
| fabbione | ok just for the sake of simplicity | 03:44 |
| fabbione | kill everything | 03:44 |
| fabbione | if you don't have the .diff.gz .dsc do the following: | 03:44 |
| fabbione | unpack the orig | 03:44 |
| T-Bone | as in 'rm -rf /' ? ;) | 03:44 |
| === zul smacks T-Bone | ||
| fabbione | cd whatever dir | 03:45 |
| fabbione | vi Makefile | 03:45 |
| === T-Bone dodges, points zul and laughs ;) | ||
| fabbione | and set the EXTRAVERSION = | 03:45 |
| fabbione | instead of rc2 | 03:45 |
| fabbione | the next is scripts/packaging/Makefile | 03:45 |
| fabbione | or packages | 03:45 |
| fabbione | search for the only instance of debian | 03:45 |
| fabbione | and comment it out | 03:45 |
| zul | ok.. | 03:46 |
| fabbione | you MIGHT notice that the instance of debian is inside a clean target rule | 03:46 |
| zul | frigging christ.. | 03:46 |
| fabbione | blame upstream | 03:46 |
| fabbione | AHAHHAHA | 03:46 |
| zul | i blame the french | 03:46 |
| === T-Bone takes back the pocket bazooka, aims at zul, fires | ||
| T-Bone | ah. That's a good thing done ;) | 03:47 |
| === fabbione powers up the sodomotron and inserts T-Bone's coordinates | ||
| === zul T-Bone in his lower colon | ||
| === T-Bone listens to "Arena di Verona / Verdi - Nabucco / Va Pensiero", has a thought for fabbione ;) | ||
| zul | back to work.. | 03:52 |
| T-Bone | fabbione : dude. You're so utterly scatological perv, to say the least... ;P | 03:52 |
| lamont | fabbione: switch to using the colostomizer | 03:55 |
| T-Bone | lamont : weird, i'd have thought you'd suggested some practical highly explosive matterial instead ;] | 03:56 |
| T-Bone | -t | 03:57 |
| lamont | T-Bone: I just love that word, taht's all | 03:58 |
| lamont | thank you simpsons | 03:58 |
| fabbione | ehhee | 03:58 |
| T-Bone | heh. you perv ;) | 03:58 |
| T-Bone | yeah. Simpsons perv, should i have said :) | 03:58 |
| T-Bone | OTOH, fabbione is stupid enough to blow himself with explosives, instead of blowing his target (me). That'd be nice though ;) | 03:59 |
| zul | hmmm...the compile fails with gcc 4 | 03:59 |
| === T-Bone figures a TexAvery-like blown-fabbione-face, has a laugh ;) | ||
| T-Bone | zul : heh, what a surprise, my dear :P | 03:59 |
| zul | its one of our patches | 04:00 |
| T-Bone | "And radio buttons look like they were drawn in the dark by a drunk with a broken pencil." | 04:15 |
| T-Bone | how cute ;) | 04:15 |
| zul | whats this? | 04:15 |
| T-Bone | http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu | 04:15 |
| T-Bone | (point 52. I *love* point 45, fwiw ;) | 04:15 |
| zul | holy crap.. | 04:16 |
| T-Bone | (and point 37 is unsurprising to me) | 04:17 |
| fabbione | ok update for the ipw2200 committed | 04:18 |
| fabbione | the kernel should be able to build again | 04:18 |
| fabbione | zul: what drivers did you update? | 04:19 |
| fabbione | i am planning to stop now.. | 04:19 |
| fabbione | if so.. are you also updating debian/external-drivers ? | 04:19 |
| zul | ppp-mppe and cpad so far | 04:20 |
| fabbione | zul: ok | 04:20 |
| fabbione | just use external-drivers to keep track | 04:20 |
| zul | and i have a couple of bugs about external drivers in bugzilla as well | 04:20 |
| zul | thats what i have been doing | 04:20 |
| fabbione | zul: yeah we have a bunch in bugzilla | 04:21 |
| zul | and fixing some gcc4 stuff.. | 04:21 |
| fabbione | but before dragging in 30984 external drivers we should decide if we want them or not first | 04:21 |
| fabbione | gcc4 is not a priority right now | 04:21 |
| fabbione | we need to get our tree updated first | 04:21 |
| zul | im running gcc4 at home | 04:21 |
| fabbione | otherwise it will keep failing somehere | 04:21 |
| fabbione | anyway i need a break | 04:22 |
| T-Bone | fabbione : i might have some time to toy around on my ppc later today, if that can help | 04:22 |
| fabbione | later guys | 04:22 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: boot the kernel :) | 04:22 |
| T-Bone | kay :) | 04:22 |
| === T-Bone baz get topic archive | ||
| zul | oh and dont do what i did | 04:25 |
| T-Bone | zul : i'm much smarter than you are ;) | 04:25 |
| T-Bone | Teeheeheehee | 04:25 |
| zul | T-Bone: if you could see the finger im showing you right now you wouldnt be impressed | 04:25 |
| T-Bone | no i wouldn't | 04:26 |
| T-Bone | ;) | 04:26 |
| T-Bone | hmm | 04:28 |
| T-Bone | zul : would you please point me at the place where fabbione's diff/orig live? :} | 04:29 |
| T-Bone | (you can use whatever finger for that, i don't care ;o) | 04:30 |
| zul | let me use my middle finger and i can point you to http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione | 04:35 |
| T-Bone | hmm | 04:35 |
| T-Bone | i must have looked at the wrong place there, can't find it :P | 04:35 |
| zul | hmmm..he must have deleted them | 04:35 |
| T-Bone | there's the orig | 04:35 |
| T-Bone | not the diff | 04:35 |
| T-Bone | fsck | 04:35 |
| zul | gimme a sec. | 04:36 |
| T-Bone | there's an ugly picture of his hacking area too ;) | 04:36 |
| zul | because i like you ill help you up | 04:36 |
| zul | http://zulinux.homelinux.net/ | 04:37 |
| T-Bone | zul : duuuuuuuude, you're so keen on me. Thaaaank you ssooooooo muuuuuuch (figure out the voice of Britney Spears playing hooker, as usual) ;) | 04:37 |
| zul | eww | 04:37 |
| === T-Bone fetches | ||
| T-Bone | zul : since i like you too, i'm fetching the orig from p.u.c, to avoid hogging your bw ;) | 04:38 |
| zul | thanks | 04:40 |
| T-Bone | it also saves me some time ;) | 04:40 |
| zul | bastard | 04:41 |
| T-Bone | thoug p.u.c is *slow* dog ;) | 04:41 |
| T-Bone | there it is. I have them all, thx | 04:42 |
| zul | no probs | 04:42 |
| T-Bone | ewww | 04:43 |
| T-Bone | i've just been looking at d-private mail. Damn, yet another GFDL flamewar ;P | 04:44 |
| zul | are you surprised? | 04:44 |
| T-Bone | hell no | 04:44 |
| zul | gfdl? | 04:44 |
| T-Bone | let them provide useless free tools with no doc at all :P | 04:44 |
| zul | lol | 04:44 |
| T-Bone | Gnu Free Doc License | 04:44 |
| zul | debian-devel is who has the biggest balls | 04:45 |
| T-Bone | afaik, Ubuntu won't go that way. Though i guess it'll be interestingly painful to merge back what debian will remove ;P | 04:45 |
| zul | heh.. | 04:46 |
| T-Bone | zul : not the biggest balls, far from it. The biggest mouth, at best | 04:46 |
| T-Bone | or the most time to spend replying | 04:46 |
| zul | gentoo is kind of the same way but people are trying to make money off it | 04:48 |
| T-Bone | huh? | 04:49 |
| zul | gentoo has it share of flame wars but there are alot of developers trying to make a profit from their work | 04:49 |
| === T-Bone tries to remember how to get a pristine (eg: without baz cruft) copy of a baz tree | ||
| zul | and that gentoo also sold their souls to the devil | 04:50 |
| T-Bone | zul : i don't fully understand what this is about. I guess i'm not involved enough in gentoo to figure out ;) | 04:50 |
| zul | T-Bone: good thing to :) | 04:51 |
| T-Bone | heh | 04:52 |
| kylem | sold their souls? | 04:52 |
| zul | working with sun | 04:56 |
| === T-Bone fires dpkg-buildpackage, just for fun | ||
| === zul kicks T-Bone | ||
| T-Bone | and we'd really need a way to build only a given flavour (better one than hacking rules) | 04:56 |
| zul | i totaly agree | 04:57 |
| T-Bone | zul : that's the first step to see what's wrong, mind you (dpkg-buildpackage) :) | 04:57 |
| T-Bone | and it builds so fast... | 04:57 |
| T-Bone | especially now that i have added some ram to the box | 04:57 |
| T-Bone | yet it doesn't use CONCURRENCY-LEVEL, sigh :( | 04:58 |
| zul | im debating to go to 64bit soon | 05:02 |
| T-Bone | heh | 05:03 |
| T-Bone | i find 64bit rather useless for my workflow | 05:03 |
| T-Bone | unless i need loads of RAM and I use scientific apps, which doesn't happen everyday ;) | 05:04 |
| === T-Bone tries to figure out why his build doesn't use C_L := 3 | ||
| T-Bone | maybe 3 isn't enough | 05:05 |
| T-Bone | huho | 05:06 |
| T-Bone | it uses it in modules and not in builtin | 05:06 |
| === T-Bone larts fabbione, digs in rules | ||
| T-Bone | make[6] : *** [drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100/ipw2100.o] Error 1 | 05:15 |
| T-Bone | huhu. "Fixed" says he | 05:16 |
| T-Bone | and "ewww i don't like that one": include/acpi/platform/aclinux.h:59:22: asm/acpi.h: No such file or directory | 05:17 |
| lamont | T-Bone: building ppc? | 05:19 |
| T-Bone | yeah | 05:20 |
| === lamont considers building the kernel on his G3, shudders | ||
| T-Bone | forget it | 05:20 |
| T-Bone | looking at the code, this can't work | 05:20 |
| lamont | yeah | 05:20 |
| T-Bone | linux/acpi.h unconditionnaly includes asm/acpi.h | 05:21 |
| T-Bone | hmm | 05:21 |
| T-Bone | assuming this is right, i suppose the driver should only include linux/acpi.h if CONFIG_ACPI is enabled... | 05:22 |
| T-Bone | given only x86, X86_64 and ia64 have asm/acpi.h :P | 05:23 |
| T-Bone | i get it | 05:26 |
| T-Bone | looks like it should include <acpi/acpi.h> instead of <linux/acpi.h> | 05:27 |
| T-Bone | maybe not | 05:28 |
| T-Bone | duh | 05:29 |
| T-Bone | come to thinkof it | 05:29 |
| T-Bone | ipw2x00 familly should only be useful on x86 machines, right? | 05:29 |
| T-Bone | which makes it then normal it assumes acpi is available :P | 05:30 |
| kylem | the ipw driver depends on acpi? | 05:32 |
| T-Bone | kylem : my 2cents is that it doesn't build without it | 05:33 |
| kylem | groan. | 05:33 |
| T-Bone | either poorly designed conditionnal build, or poorly designed driver | 05:33 |
| kylem | i've a little `embedded' x86 board i need to build it on later. | 05:33 |
| T-Bone | given what i see in the code, i'd bet on the former | 05:35 |
| === T-Bone tries adding a couple #if 0 around #include <linux/acpi.h> to see whathappens | ||
| T-Bone | that works | 05:38 |
| T-Bone | i find it strange include/linux/acpi.h doesn't have a check for CONFIG_ACPI | 05:39 |
| T-Bone | yet i know *nothing* about ACPI | 05:39 |
| === T-Bone doesn't know what the proper fix is | ||
| T-Bone | s/fix/way of fixing this/ | 05:41 |
| === T-Bone rotfls at Gunnar Wolf's mail | ||
| T-Bone | zul : i'm about to leave. Can you check with fabbione/whoever what the proper way of "fixing" the ipw2100 driver is? Basically all it needs is "not to include <linux/acpi.h> on non ACPI enabled kernels" | 05:58 |
| === Mithrandir guesses #ifdef CONFIG_ACPI\n#include <linux/acpi.h>#endif | ||
| fabbione | yeah i didn't check portability of the new code yet | 06:57 |
| fabbione | right now i am only updating it | 06:58 |
| fabbione | anyway dinner time | 06:58 |
| fabbione | cya later for the meeting | 06:58 |
| === T-None is now known as T-Bone | ||
| T-Bone | meeting? | 07:04 |
| zul | now? | 07:07 |
| zul | 20:00 utc | 07:07 |
| T-Bone | no i just figured out fabbione was talking about TB | 07:07 |
| zul | ah...sorry i just have a wicked headache | 07:08 |
| T-Bone | there are no kernel-related stuff on the agenda so i think i can safely ignore it | 07:08 |
| zul | dont worry ill be there | 07:08 |
| T-Bone | zul: and that's supposed to reassure me? :) | 07:08 |
| zul | if you dont want me to kick your ass | 07:09 |
| T-Bone | i'm not quite sure this makes a difference :) | 07:09 |
| zul | you right it doesnt | 07:09 |
| T-Bone | lol | 07:09 |
| === T-Bone contemplates booting his newly built 2.6.12 kernel | ||
| T-Bone | but since i haven't built the initrd... | 07:11 |
| jbailey | Then you would probably have a sad experience. =) | 08:34 |
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| T-Bone | my bet | 08:47 |
| T-Bone | hence not booting it :) | 08:48 |
| T-Bone | (and playing guitar instead ;) | 08:48 |
| === T-Bone is now known as T-Gone | ||
| T-Gone | bbl | 08:48 |
| fabbione | re | 09:10 |
| zul | hey fabbione | 09:10 |
| fabbione | yo | 09:10 |
| zul | yoyo | 09:10 |
| fabbione | zul: did you merge any patch? | 09:14 |
| zul | nope still at work | 09:15 |
| fabbione | ok | 09:15 |
| zul | will do some work tonight though | 09:15 |
| fabbione | what was your archive again? | 09:15 |
| zul | http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch | 09:15 |
| fabbione | unable to access URL: /arch/.listing | 09:16 |
| fabbione | webdav error: 404 Not Found | 09:16 |
| zul | fuckers.. | 09:16 |
| fabbione | i am going to update some more stuff in the meanwhile | 09:17 |
| zul | how do you create a listing file again? | 09:17 |
| fabbione | we need ask lamont.. i really don't know | 09:17 |
| zul | lemme check my logs | 09:17 |
| zul | doh.. | 09:17 |
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| fabbione | where is T-Gone when we need him | 09:20 |
| zul | fabbione: try now | 09:21 |
| zul | well i dont need him :) | 09:21 |
| fabbione | still 404 | 09:21 |
| fabbione | ok.. time to update ndiswrapper :) | 09:22 |
| fabbione | i remember this one to be a bitch | 09:22 |
| zul | better you than me | 09:22 |
| fabbione | zul: die bitch | 09:23 |
| kylem | damn, you ubuntu guys are harsh. | 09:23 |
| kylem | ;-) | 09:23 |
| fabbione | kylem: ahaha | 09:23 |
| fabbione | kylem: see.. | 09:23 |
| zul | fabbione: i know what you are but what am i | 09:23 |
| kylem | don't you have a code of conduct? :) | 09:23 |
| fabbione | this is the only chan in which we can really express ourself | 09:23 |
| zul | not in this channel | 09:23 |
| fabbione | kylem: yes we do.. but we override it in this chan | 09:23 |
| fabbione | actually | 09:24 |
| kylem | haha. | 09:24 |
| fabbione | we should rename it | 09:24 |
| kylem | that's amusing. :) | 09:24 |
| fabbione | s/-kernel/-psycoslutskernelmaintainers | 09:24 |
| zul | -psychocrazykernelmaintainers | 09:28 |
| fabbione | whatver | 09:28 |
| fabbione | DIE DIE DIE MY DARLING! | 09:28 |
| zul | lay off the mafia movies :) | 09:29 |
| fabbione | that's from Metallica dude | 09:30 |
| === DonCorleone makes an offer to zul that he can't refuse | ||
| zul | heh metatica sucks | 09:31 |
| === kylem throws a horse head in fabbione's bed. | ||
| zul | metalica even | 09:31 |
| fabbione | metaLLica | 09:31 |
| kylem | zul, third time the charm? :) | 09:31 |
| fabbione | i wonder who registered DonCorleone :) | 09:31 |
| fabbione | i swear i didn't | 09:32 |
| zul | shaddup im writing documentation | 09:35 |
| fabbione | to do what? print it on a 4 layers toilet paper for further use? | 09:36 |
| zul | pretty close.. | 09:36 |
| zul | how to install a windows app | 09:36 |
| === fabbione kicks zul | ||
| zul | its not my fault!! | 09:37 |
| zul | stupid crown corporation | 09:39 |
| zul | fabbione: try now | 09:39 |
| kylem | zul, for whom do you work? NavCan? (trying to guess based on location) | 09:40 |
| zul | kylem: IDRC | 09:40 |
| kylem | ah. | 09:40 |
| fabbione | zul: still 404 | 09:41 |
| === zul kicks baz | ||
| zul | its a TB meeting tonight? | 09:42 |
| crimsun | yep | 09:42 |
| zul | heh everyone get their shots | 09:42 |
| fabbione | ah now i remember all the pile of crap behind ndis | 09:43 |
| fabbione | hmm | 09:44 |
| fabbione | we need to decide how deep we want to go with ndis for breezy | 09:44 |
| fabbione | because it supports amd64 now | 09:45 |
| fabbione | but there is an issue | 09:45 |
| fabbione | it generates a bunch of headers at build time | 09:45 |
| fabbione | that is not really someking kbuild likes | 09:45 |
| fabbione | let's stick with i386 for now | 09:45 |
| fabbione | we will see in future :) | 09:45 |
| dilinger | er | 09:45 |
| dilinger | what generates a bunch of headers? | 09:46 |
| fabbione | dilinger: ndiswrapper | 09:46 |
| fabbione | it has a target called make gen_exports | 09:46 |
| fabbione | without _exports file = FTBFS | 09:46 |
| fabbione | but they are generated dynamically according to the arch | 09:46 |
| zul | we could always split it out of the kernel | 09:46 |
| fabbione | and they are different between i386/amd64 | 09:46 |
| fabbione | even if they have the same names | 09:46 |
| fabbione | zul: uh? | 09:47 |
| zul | actually what was i thinking | 09:47 |
| dilinger | fabbione: i'm so confused | 09:47 |
| dilinger | the headers are autogenerated during build | 09:47 |
| dilinger | and used during build | 09:47 |
| dilinger | and that's all | 09:47 |
| dilinger | i've gotten reports of the ndiswrapper in sid working for amd64 | 09:47 |
| fabbione | dilinger: yes.. but that's ok when ndiswrapper is compiled outside the kernel tree | 09:47 |
| dilinger | ah | 09:48 |
| fabbione | when we apply it as patch inside the kernel | 09:48 |
| fabbione | ... | 09:48 |
| dilinger | right | 09:48 |
| fabbione | so I need to find a way to deal with that | 09:48 |
| fabbione | brb | 09:48 |
| dilinger | ndiswrapper needs to go away, and be replaced by something shipped in the kernel that's a bit cleaner.. | 09:49 |
| T-Gone | fabbione: i'm digging in your ass ;] | 09:54 |
| === T-Gone is now known as T-Bone | ||
| dilinger | oh my | 09:54 |
| T-Bone | dilinger: your what? ;o) | 09:55 |
| === T-Bone ducks | ||
| fabbione | T-Bone: hell... | 09:55 |
| fabbione | that's almost disgusting... | 09:55 |
| fabbione | that's probably why it was hitching | 09:55 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: yeah. Unless you were sitting on the sodomotron... | 09:56 |
| T-Bone | =] | 09:56 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: let's cut the crap (where it is btw), why were you looking for me? :) | 09:57 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: you are really asking me.. aren't you? | 09:57 |
| === T-Bone ponders answering affirmatively 8) | ||
| fabbione | T-Bone: it was for a driver update on a what used to be a french only site, but they translated it in a sane language | 09:58 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: huh? | 09:58 |
| T-Bone | which one is that? | 09:58 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: the eagle-usb | 09:59 |
| fabbione | but they translated the site in english | 09:59 |
| T-Bone | ok | 10:01 |
| === fabbione pats his sparc | ||
| fabbione | it munged almost 300 pkgs | 10:03 |
| T-Bone | wow | 10:03 |
| fabbione | only 10 FTBFS | 10:03 |
| T-Bone | in how much time? :) | 10:03 |
| fabbione | from this morning at 5am | 10:03 |
| T-Bone | sweet | 10:04 |
| fabbione | yeps | 10:04 |
| fabbione | it won't manage to build universe before breezy | 10:04 |
| zul | hmmm...http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch/zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 10:04 |
| fabbione | but it might get pretty close | 10:04 |
| T-Bone | lol | 10:04 |
| fabbione | unable to access URL: /arch/zulcss@gmail.com--2005/.listing | 10:04 |
| fabbione | webdav error: 404 Not Found | 10:04 |
| fabbione | zul: does it work for you? | 10:04 |
| zul | im using sftp | 10:05 |
| fabbione | well.. hell.. try it in http to? | 10:05 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: universe has tons of small packages.. that's why | 10:05 |
| T-Bone | yeah i know | 10:05 |
| fabbione | all the big ones are in main anyway | 10:06 |
| T-Bone | at some point one of my autobuilders was processing 1000+ packages a day | 10:06 |
| fabbione | between kernel, glibc, gnome, gayde and ooo | 10:06 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: yeah i am not surprised | 10:06 |
| fabbione | oh.. hold on.. 300 + i had a parallel build running with the kernel | 10:07 |
| T-Bone | heh | 10:07 |
| fabbione | ndiswrapper updated | 10:08 |
| zul | im off...later psychocrazycocainecrazykernelpeople | 10:18 |
| T-Bone | that's twice crazy | 10:18 |
| T-Bone | you're screwd ;) | 10:18 |
| kylem | is it just me, or is that a system of a down lyric. | 10:18 |
| zul | maybe | 10:18 |
| zul | i was listening to them all day...well most of the day | 10:19 |
| zul | toodles | 10:19 |
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| T-Bone | fucking X kill :P | 10:21 |
| lamont | fabbione: --listing when you create the archive | 10:22 |
| fabbione | lamont: ok :) | 10:23 |
| lamont | or create a non-empty file called ${archive}/=meta-info/http-blows | 10:23 |
| fabbione | ahah | 10:23 |
| fabbione | if elmo doesn't flush the incoming queue soon, it will be full of sparc changes | 10:25 |
| lamont | fabbione: you're assuming that he's still going to take hoary uploads... | 10:26 |
| lamont | (I'm just hoping he willl)( | 10:26 |
| fabbione | lamont: well they are sparc binaries | 10:26 |
| fabbione | nothing changes the source | 10:26 |
| fabbione | i see no reason for rejecting them | 10:26 |
| lamont | fabbione: exactly | 10:28 |
| fabbione | lamont: we need to send out that mail to kernel-team with mdz and sabdfl in CC | 10:28 |
| lamont | it's just a question on how one interprets "no more hoary uploads" | 10:28 |
| lamont | fabbione: right | 10:28 |
| lamont | will be working through that toady | 10:28 |
| fabbione | lamont: yes.. i see the point :) | 10:28 |
| lamont | today, even | 10:28 |
| fabbione | lamont: thanks. | 10:28 |
| === T-Bone wonders what mail this is about | ||
| fabbione | hmmm | 10:39 |
| fabbione | i didn't know that prism2 has pci and some firmware stuff... | 10:39 |
| fabbione | well nobody complained.. so i guess the usb driver is enough | 10:39 |
| T-Bone | prism2 is used with some pci wifi cards as well as some pcmcia/cf ones, iirc | 10:40 |
| fabbione | yeah but we ship only the usb driver | 10:41 |
| T-Bone | we suck ;) | 10:41 |
| fabbione | nah probably nobody uses it anymore | 10:41 |
| kylem | 0000:01:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) | 10:41 |
| T-Bone | i thought we enabled *EVERYFUCKINTHING* in our kernels? :) | 10:41 |
| fabbione | otherwise we would have get reports about it | 10:41 |
| T-Bone | kylem: ^5! | 10:41 |
| kylem | of course, i don't run your crappy kernels. ;-) | 10:41 |
| T-Bone | LOL | 10:41 |
| fabbione | kylem: ahhaa | 10:41 |
| kylem | or your os, for that matter. cough. why am i here again? | 10:42 |
| T-Bone | kylem: i love you! (in all platonic ways of course ;) | 10:42 |
| fabbione | kylem: do you know if the pci version requires firwmares? | 10:42 |
| kylem | fabbione, it doesn't. | 10:42 |
| fabbione | so which one does? | 10:42 |
| kylem | fabbione, the firmware is upgradeable. | 10:42 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 10:42 |
| fabbione | so it is only required for upgrades | 10:42 |
| kylem | fabbione, is this hostap you're talking about? | 10:42 |
| kylem | or some other prism2? | 10:42 |
| fabbione | kylem: nope.. linux-wlan | 10:43 |
| kylem | oh, puke. | 10:43 |
| fabbione | i will get to hostap later... | 10:43 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: some USB dongles need the fw iirc | 10:43 |
| kylem | don't bother shipping linux-wlan prism2 pci/pcmcia... hostap is way better. | 10:43 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: you are french... and i don't trust you... + they might sell crappy hw there | 10:43 |
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| fabbione | kylem: it is already there.. i am only updating it | 10:43 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: may i show you the finger and point you at the linux-wlan website? | 10:43 |
| kylem | fabbione, then there's no problem. | 10:43 |
| T-Bone | they list which devices need the fw there | 10:44 |
| fabbione | kylem: ok + i don't ship pci/pcmcia.. only usb | 10:44 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: I know for sure since i've been working on supporting one of said supported USB device on an embedded arm board | 10:44 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: aren't you part of the kernel team? | 10:44 |
| kylem | fabbione, that makes sense, i don't think hostap supports usb | 10:44 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: send me patches :) | 10:44 |
| fabbione | kylem: ok | 10:44 |
| fabbione | thanks | 10:44 |
| T-Bone | sometimes i wonder | 10:44 |
| === kylem loves his prism2. :P | ||
| fabbione | i have my cisco airnoet | 10:45 |
| fabbione | aironet | 10:45 |
| fabbione | it's UPSTREAM | 10:45 |
| lamont | fabbione: X question for you... | 10:45 |
| kylem | prism2 is supported by orinoco too... | 10:45 |
| fabbione | you and your crappy hw | 10:45 |
| fabbione | lamont: go ahead.. | 10:45 |
| kylem | fabbione, bet you can't run in master mode... ;-) | 10:45 |
| fabbione | (if i can answer | 10:45 |
| lamont | so I just swapped out my CRT for an LCD display.... | 10:45 |
| lamont | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig | 10:46 |
| fabbione | kylem: i don't need to. i have a cisco AP :) | 10:46 |
| lamont | now how do I get X to get with the program? | 10:46 |
| lamont | or is it reset time? | 10:46 |
| kylem | fabbione, heh, fair enough, i guess. | 10:46 |
| fabbione | lamont: uh.. i think it needs a reset | 10:46 |
| lamont | bummer. | 10:46 |
| lamont | brb | 10:46 |
| fabbione | kylem: i really don't use wlan a lot | 10:47 |
| kylem | lol. i don't use anything but. | 10:47 |
| fabbione | i still like my pure 100Mb cisco switches | 10:47 |
| === fabbione hugs the fiber that cross the house | ||
| T-Bone | fabbione: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz <= PCMCIA/CF are listed as using proprietary fw. that's all i can tell so far | 10:48 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: as you can see.. the usb doesn't | 10:48 |
| fabbione | and we don't ship pcmcia/cf | 10:48 |
| fabbione | so i was right | 10:48 |
| fabbione | we do NOT need firmware | 10:48 |
| fabbione | = | 10:49 |
| fabbione | T-Bone sucks | 10:49 |
| === T-Bone wonders why we don't ship pcmcia/cf | ||
| fabbione | probably because we can't redistribute the firmware | 10:49 |
| T-Bone | that doesn't prevent us from enabling the driver and let the user load the firmware, does it? | 10:50 |
| T-Bone | not to mention all devices that work without the firmware | 10:50 |
| T-Bone | but heh | 10:50 |
| T-Bone | i don't care | 10:50 |
| T-Bone | i don't run silly kernels ;) | 10:50 |
| fabbione | neither do i | 10:50 |
| fabbione | i don't have crappy hardware | 10:50 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: oh, the kernel boss doesn't care about his baby? | 10:50 |
| T-Bone | *interesting* | 10:50 |
| fabbione | nobody asked for it = less code = the better | 10:51 |
| T-Bone | heh | 10:51 |
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| T-Bone | i doubt anybody has asked for ipw2x00 support on ppc but i'm being nitpicking i suppose ;) | 10:51 |
| kylem | how could they? | 10:52 |
| kylem | unless you can get it on a full size pci card... | 10:52 |
| lamont | ew. still pixlelated | 10:52 |
| T-Bone | kylem: exactly what i'm asking. Yet we build it on ppc ;) | 10:52 |
| kylem | none of the laptops have minipci slots (cause apple sucks and stuff...) | 10:52 |
| T-Bone | kylem: tssks. Don't be so bitter because the machines are beautiful but unaffordable 8) | 10:52 |
| kylem | T-Bone, they're plenty affordable. | 10:53 |
| kylem | T-Bone, cheaper than my thinkpad... | 10:53 |
| T-Bone | lol | 10:53 |
| kylem | T-Bone, only the >15" powerbooks have pcmcia, and none of them have minipci. Top Kwality. | 10:53 |
| fabbione | aren't there any ipw2x00 pcmcia cards? | 10:53 |
| kylem | fabbione, i've never seen one. | 10:53 |
| fabbione | well this is argument for config allignment between arches | 10:54 |
| fabbione | that reminds me so much of dilinger and zul | 10:54 |
| kylem | what about things that won't build on one arch? | 10:55 |
| kylem | like, lots of the isdn stuff is #error broken on big endian | 10:55 |
| fabbione | kylem: that's the whole point of it | 10:56 |
| fabbione | we need to allign the core config options | 10:56 |
| fabbione | across all arches | 10:56 |
| fabbione | and ban the shit that is not needed on arch foo | 10:56 |
| kylem | hmm. | 10:56 |
| fabbione | the point is that nobody really knows all the details for each arch/subarch | 10:56 |
| fabbione | there are simply too many | 10:56 |
| fabbione | so we need to team up and clean up as much as we can | 10:56 |
| fabbione | possibly with a tool (dilinger?) to keep track of these kind of things | 10:57 |
| T-Bone | kylem: truth told i don't really see the point of minipci on a laptop. imho, laptop != desktop, but that's another topic ;) | 10:57 |
| kylem | T-Bone, you're kidding? | 10:57 |
| kylem | T-Bone, my minipci wireless hooks up to the internal antenna in my laptop. | 10:57 |
| kylem | can't do that nicely with pcmcia... | 10:57 |
| T-Bone | fair enough, but you see, we've got airport... ;) | 10:58 |
| kylem | only on ancient machines xor in Mac OS X... | 10:58 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: i don't understand what you're trying to do. Whaddya mean "core config options"? | 10:58 |
| T-Bone | kylem: huh? | 10:59 |
| kylem | airport is only on old machines, airport extreeme is only supported in mac os x. | 10:59 |
| T-Bone | err | 10:59 |
| T-Bone | can't airport extreme be driven like regular airport? | 10:59 |
| kylem | no. | 11:00 |
| === T-Bone needs to check that out again on his g5 | ||
| kylem | it's a broadcom chip | 11:00 |
| T-Bone | ah | 11:00 |
| T-Bone | sweetness ;) | 11:00 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: stuff like HIGHMEM or PREEMPT | 11:00 |
| === kylem smacks T-Bone | ||
| kylem | :) | 11:00 |
| T-Bone | kylem: let's rev-engineer that ;) | 11:00 |
| kylem | T-Bone, i started trying to. | 11:00 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: mostly what is to be found in 'General setup' i suppose then | 11:01 |
| kylem | same chip, but in the wrt54gs access points. (broadcom ships a binary wl.o) | 11:01 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: so we don't care about syncing drivers between archs no more? | 11:01 |
| kylem | T-Bone, reverse engineering a chunk of binary sucks arse. | 11:01 |
| T-Bone | kylem: huhu! I might want to help you doin that :) | 11:01 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: yes we do dude.. be elastic in your mind | 11:02 |
| kylem | T-Bone, heh. :) | 11:02 |
| kylem | we've all established i'm insane re-VisFX etc... :\ | 11:02 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: then i don't see the point. "we do for some but not for all"? | 11:02 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: if arch foo supports USB we are going to buidl all the usb modules on it | 11:02 |
| fabbione | something that we do not do now | 11:02 |
| T-Bone | kylem: no, you're moderately wicked. Being insane would involve getting SuckyIO to work ;) | 11:02 |
| kylem | what's wrong with SuckyIO? | 11:03 |
| kylem | it's only slightly stupid. | 11:03 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: nice. What if a given module doesn't work/build on the arch? | 11:03 |
| T-Bone | kylem: everything? | 11:04 |
| T-Bone | 8) | 11:04 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: oh christ.. what is not clear about me writing: "<fabbione> and ban the shit that is not needed on arch foo" | 11:04 |
| kylem | i wish ad1889 would work | 11:04 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: not much. I'm just getting on you. Revenge, you see? :) | 11:05 |
| T-Bone | (because I can) | 11:05 |
| T-Bone | kylem: dreaming doesn't hurt. Until you wake up ;) | 11:06 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: do you realize that it is almost 20 hours that i am awake of which 17 here? | 11:06 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: not my problem 8) | 11:06 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: do you realize that you often get on me while i'm *hardly* awaken, or in the middle of a *very boring and idiotic work*? I guess that makes us quite equal ;o) | 11:07 |
| T-Bone | fabbione: besides, who said there were anything like *rules* between us? 8) | 11:07 |
| === T-Bone kicks fabbione between the legs, for good measure =] | ||
| lamont | fabbione: we could kick-ban him for a few minutes... :) | 11:08 |
| T-Bone | Teeheehhee | 11:08 |
| === fabbione lanches the sodomotron to T-Bone | ||
| T-Bone | lamont: too bad i passed the passwd over you, heh. That day i shot myself in the foot ;o) | 11:08 |
| lamont | hrhe | 11:09 |
| T-Bone | me notices that fabbione *is* anal, points him at http://spamusement.com/view.php?id=223 | 11:09 |
| === T-Bone runs!! | ||
| T-Bone | hmm | 11:25 |
| T-Bone | thinking of whic | 11:25 |
| T-Bone | h | 11:25 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:T-Bone] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion (rated PG-13) | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ stable: kernel-debian--pre35--2.6.10 playground: kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | bk is dead | ||
| T-Bone | lets warn everybody ;) | 11:25 |
| lamont | T-Bone: you do realize that the code-of-conduct applies here too, yes> | 11:37 |
| lamont | ? | 11:37 |
| T-Bone | ? | 11:38 |
| lamont | politeness and family-consumable type stuff, you know | 11:41 |
| T-Bone | ah | 11:41 |
| T-Bone | so i'm being moralized for merely behaving as the ops do on this chan? | 11:42 |
| T-Bone | i was mostly kidding but if it's unsuitable i'll shut up | 11:42 |
| T-Bone | not like i care | 11:42 |
| lamont | nah, was more referring to the PG13 comment.. :-) | 11:44 |
| T-Bone | well, since we're using *rough* words to say the least... :} | 11:44 |
| lamont | since that could tend to accellerate the kidding.... | 11:44 |
| T-Bone | and given Ep III has been PG-13'd | 11:45 |
| T-Bone | i think we're a tad worse than Ep III ;} | 11:45 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:T-Bone] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ stable: kernel-debian--pre35--2.6.10 playground: kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | bk is dead | ||
| fabbione | lamont: i am raelly not conviced at all about this gcc4 transition | 11:46 |
| fabbione | lamont: are you running any buildd test? | 11:46 |
| T-Bone | all hail the CoC | 11:46 |
| T-Bone | (i said "the") =] | 11:47 |
| fabbione | baz commit -s'Update prism2 and wlan-ng' | 11:47 |
| === T-Bone quickly hides | ||
| fabbione | good.. this one is go to | 11:47 |
| lamont | fabbione: not yet - need to have a statement on what they want, and elmo needs to flush me a distro | 11:47 |
| T-Bone | lamont: lemme know if there's stuff that needs building in main | 11:48 |
| T-Bone | now that universe is built, getting back on some main packages ain't difficult | 11:48 |
| === T-Bone calls it a night | ||
| === T-Bone is now known as T-None | ||
| dilinger | fabbione: heh | 11:58 |
| dilinger | fabbione: right, i started that, just never finished | 11:58 |
| dilinger | and atm, i'm busy ebaying my possessions :) | 11:58 |
| fabbione | dilinger: well.. i think it's almost time to take away the dust from it :) | 11:58 |
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