[01:37] <lamont> fabbione: you around?
[02:29] <zul> mmmm....slurpee
[02:29] <lamont> hrm... tempting
[02:38] <kylem> zul, what part of the city are you in?
[02:38] <zul> kanata
[02:38] <kylem> oh. sorry.
[02:38] <kylem> :)
[02:39] <zul> ok..enough with the kanata jokes i get enough of those at work :)
[02:39] <kylem> hehe.
[02:39] <zul> we arent that psycho
[02:39] <kylem> i can understand why it's a desireable place to live, it's just far. ;-)
[02:40] <zul> well its close to the corel center so when they turn on their power full blast we get blackouts
[02:40] <kylem> do you work downtown?
[02:40] <kylem> yikes.
[02:40] <zul> yep albert at bank...
[02:41] <zul> i rather work downtown then in kanata
[02:41] <kylem> we should meet up for a keysigning sometime. i hear you and willy met up befoe.
[02:41] <zul> kylem: sure..
[02:41] <zul> i should be at the next oclug meeting as well though
[02:42] <kylem> cool. that works.
[02:42] <kylem> lamont, heh.
[02:42] <zul> freaking pinteric
[02:42] <kylem> i'm just relieved he didn't get elected.
[02:42] <lamont> kylem: mind you, it failed to apply :-(
[02:42] <kylem> lamont, ouch. i blame fabbione.
[02:42] <zul> heh
[02:43] <lamont> kylem: well, the fact that it applies on top of all the other patches, makes it really unsurprising
[02:43] <kylem> lamont, lol.
[02:46] <lamont> kylem: turns out this one belongs completely to the parisc crowd
[02:46] <lamont> EXTRAVERSION, specifically
[02:46] <kylem> how so?
[02:47] <lamont> well, the file says 'EXTRAVERSION = ' and the parisc patch says 'rc2' -> rc2-pa1
[02:47] <lamont> or rather tries to
[02:47] <lamont> E: linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.90-1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy
[02:47] <lamont> hrmpf
[02:58] <zul> miss usa is on tonight
[03:20] <lamont> building... time to wait for it to finish.
[04:42] <fabbione> morning
[04:43] <kylem> lamont, heh, not removing the extraversion hunk is your fault. ;-)
[04:44] <lamont> kylem: herh
[04:44] <lamont> morning fabbione 
[04:44] <lamont> hppa testbuild running, fwiw
[04:44] <fabbione> lamont: rocking.. the EXTRAVERSION needs to be set to =
[04:44] <fabbione> unfortunatly this is the 2nd hack required to build these version asymmetric kernels
[04:44] <lamont> fabbione: yeah
[04:45] <fabbione> and if you notice is the 2nd file modified in the .diff.gz
[04:45] <fabbione> because we can't patch it only at build time
[04:47] <fabbione> lamont: do you have the kernel-team admin passwd?
[04:47] <lamont> yes
[04:47] <fabbione> lamont: ok, are you administering it?
[04:48] <lamont> no worries here
[04:48] <fabbione> because i noticed a lot of subscription notifications
[04:48] <fabbione> but i can't do anything..
[04:48] <zul> hey fabbione 
[04:49] <fabbione> hey zul
[04:49] <zul> for external drivers that are not a patch i take i create the directory and all the config file goodiness
[04:50] <zul> er Kconfig
[04:50] <lamont> fabbione: I don't see that I have to actually _do_ anything with the subscriptions...
[04:50] <lamont> or is that not true, and I'm just clueless?
[04:52] <fabbione> lamont: no idea..
[04:54] <fabbione> lamont: you didn't commit anything for hppa, did you?
[04:55] <zul> fabbione: new arch for me is at http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch
[04:55] <fabbione> lamont: i did update the sparc buildd to handle hoary-security and hoary-updates
[04:55] <fabbione> lamont: would you mind to double check with me if i did something horribly stupid?
[04:55] <fabbione> zul: ah ok
[04:57] <fabbione> actually.. i can't find how to deregister the old archive
[04:57] <zul> couldnt you remove it from your ~/.arch-params?
[04:58] <fabbione> nah found it
[04:58] <zul> cool
[04:59] <fabbione> baz register-archive -d
[04:59] <fabbione> baz register-archive http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch
[04:59] <fabbione> it hangs there....
[05:00] <zul> frig..
[05:00] <zul> hmmm...maybe i should install apache
[05:00] <fabbione> maybe? :)
[05:01] <zul> perhaps
[05:03] <zul> are you running 2.6.11.90 now?
[05:04] <zul> hmmm....the domain is not resolving..
[05:05] <fabbione> yes.. on 2 machines
[05:05] <lamont> fabbione: you want me to check in the abi files for -1 as well? :-)
[05:05] <zul> and how is it running?
[05:05] <fabbione> lamont: keep them handy for -2 yes
[05:05] <fabbione> zul: i don'y really know.. i just installed it yesterday evening and it still didn't crash..
[05:05] <lamont> fabbione: I could just check them into -1, and then they'd be there, no?
[05:06] <fabbione> zul: have to test idiotify later
[05:06] <zul> heh good luck
[05:06] <fabbione> lamont: nope.. they will be wiped away at the first make clean
[05:12] <fabbione> amd64 building
[05:12] <fabbione> ppc and ia64 starting now
[05:13] <fabbione> guys i was thinking to add a precompiler for control.stub
[05:14] <zul> why?
[05:14] <lamont> fabbione: yeah
[05:14] <fabbione> if [ -e debian/experimental ] ; then add_very_long_experimental_note_in_description; fi
[05:15] <fabbione> zul: to be able to add or remove something from all the descriptions without having to manually edit it
[05:15] <zul> ah ok good idea
[05:15] <lamont> yeah - I guess it's forgivable
[05:21] <zul> right new version of cpad..ill put it my arch tomorrow...im off to bed
[05:22] <zul> later..
[05:23] <fabbione> lamont: anyway this is only a prebuild to see if the main kernel compiles
[05:24] <fabbione> abi files will be useless
[05:24] <fabbione> we still need to update all the drivers
[05:24] <fabbione> and add the new ones we want in
[05:24] <fabbione> like ipv6 statefull firewall
[05:24] <lamont> yes
[05:24] <fabbione> that will bring new config options and stuff like that
[05:26] <fabbione> go ppc it's your birthday!
[05:26] <fabbione> i hate that arch
[05:40] <fabbione> good night lamont
[05:40] <lamont> fabbione: btw, arch-hppa_pa1.dpatch sound good to you? (yeah, it's the megolith patch, but...)
[05:40] <fabbione> yeah sure :)
[05:41] <fabbione> since it touches a lot everywhere you can keep calling it pariscpa :)
[05:41] <fabbione> or whatever you prefer
[05:41] <fabbione> i really don't minf
[05:41] <fabbione> mind
[05:41] <fabbione> i want to keep a strict naming for the generic patches
[05:41] <lamont> is already committed as arch-hppa_pa1
[05:41] <fabbione> ok fine for me
[05:42] <lamont> lamont@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90
[05:42] <lamont> and currently mirroring
[05:42] <lamont> done
[05:42] <lamont> will commit back to the main branch in the morning after I verify that the builds succeeded, and maybe even boots
[05:43] <fabbione> sure
[05:43] <fabbione> works for me
[05:44] <fabbione> we are not going to release this kernel anytime soon anyway
[05:44] <fabbione> good night dude
[05:44] <fabbione> cya later
[05:44] <fabbione>     Specialix DTR/RTS pin is RTS (SPECIALIX_RTSCTS) [N/y/?]  (NEW) 
[05:44] <fabbione> AH GREAT
[05:44] <fabbione> one of this options that can be object of endless fights
[05:45] <fabbione> i guess we will have to modify the driver to accept a boot option
[01:06] <T-Bone> oy!
[01:12] <fabbione> hey T-Bone 
[01:12] <T-Bone> hi fabbione 
[02:29] <fabbione> hey lamont 
[02:30] <lamont> morning fabbione 
[02:30] <fabbione> is it booting?
[02:34] <lamont> is booting
[02:35] <lamont> s/ing/ed/
[02:35] <fabbione> neat
[02:37] <lamont> fabbione: dch changed it to my changelog entry - I'm assuming you'll change it back before upload or some such
[02:37] <lamont> actually, looks like I'll get a conflict out of the merge, you busy boy you
[02:38] <fabbione> lamont: it depends a lot what you changed :)
[02:38] <fabbione> i am committing a lot
[02:38] <lamont> no conflict.. very odd
[02:38] <fabbione> nah.. it's not odd
[02:39] <fabbione> i didn't touch anything in hppa
[02:39] <fabbione> did you do a baz update?
[02:39] <lamont> si
[02:39] <fabbione> ok
[02:39] <lamont> but I did the work on my branch several hours ago
[02:40] <fabbione> baz update 
[02:40] <fabbione> * tree is already up to date
[02:40] <fabbione> it's not on main yet.. is it?
[02:40] <lamont> commit is _now_ finished
[02:40] <fabbione> ok
[02:40] <fabbione> it's grabbing
[02:41] <fabbione> yup
[02:41] <fabbione> no conflicts at all
[02:42] <fabbione> but we will have to rebuild other times
[02:42] <fabbione> at least after i finish to update all the external drivers
[02:43] <lamont> fabbione: sure
[02:44] <fabbione> i suggest that while we work on 2.6.11.9X we just ignore all the abi stuff
[02:44] <fabbione> it is enough not to upload l-r-m
[02:45] <fabbione> do we want to allign the configs across arch before this release or after?
[02:45] <fabbione> we have time for breezy anyway
[02:52] <T-Bone_> lamont : have you fetched all of archive.slashdirt.org btw?
[02:52] <T-Bone_> lamont : was considering that i could rebuild (parts of) main if needed. The autobuilder is idle
[02:58] <zul> hey
[02:59] <lamont> T-Bone_: not recently, so I assume the answer is probably no
[02:59] <lamont> fetching now
[03:00] <T-Bone_> lamont : ok. I've built everything that could be relatively easily built. 94.77% up to date
[03:01] <T-Bone_> there's the kde mystery though
[03:01] <fabbione> YAY for ipw2200 and ipw2100!
[03:01] <fabbione> they are out of sync at upstream!
[03:02] <T-Bone_> lamont : in any case, if you want me to build whatever's missing in main with a builder that has only main in sources.list, i can do that. In anycase, i'll be finishing rackmounting the new machines tomorrow at school, and I'll wait for your input to set them up
[03:05] <fabbione> T-Bone_: ah you didn't use the ogre model?
[03:06] <T-Bone_> fabbione : given the *very* limited input i had, i used what i could setup by myself, mostly
[03:06] <T-Bone_> fabbione : you see, i'm not a buildd guru and that thing is not so well documented, so to speak
[03:06] <T-Bone_> fabbione : ..|..
[03:06] <T-Bone_> ;)
[03:06] <fabbione> uhuhuh
[03:06] <zul> oh behave
[03:07] <fabbione> hppa is d00m3d
[03:07] <T-Bone_> fabbione : it doesn't matter for universe
[03:07] <fabbione> it does for main
[03:07] <T-Bone_> that's why lamont is only letting his 'main' packages in
[03:07] <T-Bone_> and that's why there's my 'unofficial' (ugly) archive that has everything in it
[03:07] <zul> holy crap fabbione you been busy
[03:08] <T-Bone_> fabbione : truth told, given we are now 3 people having hppa ubuntu running, we don't care much that our build-deps are not what they should be
[03:08] <fabbione> zul: i haven't finished yet...
[03:08] <fabbione> i am in the middle of ieeee ipw2100 and ipw2200 updates
[03:08] <fabbione> that are almost like circular build-deps
[03:10] <T-Bone> fabbione : now if you wanna write docs for the ogre model, i'd gladly read and use it :P
[03:11] <zul> i updated cpad last night and a ppp-mppe 
[03:11] <fabbione> zul: ok
[03:11] <fabbione> good.. do they compile+
[03:11] <fabbione> ?
[03:11] <zul> was going to try this morning
[03:11] <fabbione> T-Bone: it's way too easy to get you.. it's not even funny
[03:12] <T-Bone> if you say so
[03:12] <fabbione> zul: anyway right now the build will fail on ipw2200
[03:12] <zul> and afs
[03:12] <zul> how come?
[03:12] <fabbione> afs ?
[03:12] <zul> amiga fs
[03:13] <fabbione> zul: because ieeee ipw2100 and ipw2200 depends on each other and i just finished ipw2100
[03:13] <fabbione> i need to ipdate ipw2200
[03:13] <zul> ah
[03:13] <fabbione> asfs <-
[03:13] <zul> thats what i meant
[03:14] <T-Bone> fabbione : truth is there are a couple of things that are *really* pissing me off. ia64 is one of them, wasting time because of lack of info is another, and being slapped because I haven't done something right *because of said lack of doc* is probably the biggest one ;P
[03:15] <fabbione> T-Bone: the latter is the funniest :P
[03:15] <fabbione> well right.. it was a long time i didn't bitch about ia64
[03:16] <zul> T-Bone: do you want the new S.O.A.D mp3?
[03:16] <fabbione> T-Bone: mind to update the config for 2.6.12?
[03:16] <fabbione> :P
[03:16] <T-Bone> for you maybe. It's really getting on my nerves, given the *huge* amount of time i've spent/wasted in the process
[03:16] <fabbione> T-Bone: nah.. i already did it
[03:16] <fabbione> ia64 is up and runnign with 2.6.12
[03:16] <fabbione> i would be more glad to get the installer working on it
[03:16] <fabbione> but there is nothing i can do for it
[03:16] <T-Bone> since last time i tried ia64 it was b0rken, i don't care much
[03:16] <fabbione> since i don't have racks and racks of ia64
[03:17] <fabbione> T-Bone: that's the point.. you need to fix it as ia64 porter...
[03:17] <fabbione> not expecting that everybody will fix it for you
[03:17] <fabbione> but anyway it is not my arch / not my choise..
[03:17] <T-Bone> i don't have racks and racks, i have a rack, that's different. I can provide access. But I won't do anything without community backup, that i've been unable to get so far
[03:18] <fabbione> instutions ?
[03:18] <T-Bone> fabbione : let me enlight you: I'm *NOT* an ia64 porter
[03:18] <T-Bone> if there are evidences that I am, they should be fixed
[03:18] <T-Bone> oh yeah, like Gelato for instance
[03:19] <T-Bone> aka "the guys that say 'yeah go for it we'll follow' and then watch you do the job"
[03:20] <fabbione> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/ia64/view?searchterm=ia64
[03:20] <T-Bone> ic
[03:20] <fabbione> and no...
[03:20] <T-Bone> well, if i'm to fix it, my 'fix' will be deletion
[03:21] <fabbione> i didn't write that page it overnight :)
[03:21] <T-Bone> (of said page)
[03:21] <T-Bone> i know you didn't. It's remnant of some glorious past era
[03:21] <T-Bone> (being cynical)
[03:22] <T-Bone> this is quite a sensitive subject for me, since I didn't cover my ass, I'm the one in frontline
[03:22] <fabbione> zul: updating the ipw2200 now..
[03:23] <fabbione> ipw2100 is done
[03:23] <zul> cool..im just trying to compile my stuff from last night
[03:23] <fabbione> so i am at 66.666666666666666666666666666666666666%
[03:23] <T-Bone> this has told me the hard way that one should cover his ass before doing anything, and has drastically reduced my faith in the "process"
[03:25] <zul> fabbione: have you fixed debian dir from being deleted?
[03:27] <fabbione> zul: of course....
[03:27] <fabbione> that's the first thing i do on each major upstream
[03:27] <fabbione> zul: but i guess you still have to understand where the fix is :P
[03:27] <zul> :P
[03:28] <fabbione> zul: you will notice that in all our kernel releases there is one file in the kernel tree that is patches from outside debian/patches
[03:28] <fabbione> there is a reason for that :P
[03:29] <fabbione> and that's the same reason why i told you need to get all the stuff from people AND only after to replace the debian dir from baz
[03:29] <fabbione> lamont said that i was evil not telling you
[03:29] <fabbione> but you have been warned the day before ;)
[03:29] <fabbione> i couldn't spoil the fun
[03:29] <zul> figgers..
[03:31] <fabbione> brb
[03:31] <zul> must...kill...
[03:31] <lamont> hrm... could kernel-team use USD 275M?...
[03:31] <lamont> nah - I'll drop that email
[03:33] <zul> kernel-versions?
[03:37] <fabbione> lamont, T-Bone: does hppa have some kind of HT?
[03:37] <T-Bone> no
[03:37] <T-Bone> all SMPness
[03:37] <fabbione> HT like in HyperThreading
[03:37] <fabbione> ok
[03:37] <zul> i still suck
[03:38] <T-Bone> (ie: dual core CPUs are seen as 2 CPUs)
[03:38] <fabbione> T-Bone: never mind how the OS looks at them
[03:38] <T-Bone> (assuming you're talking about CONFIG_HT)
[03:38] <fabbione> i am talking if it has HT in hardware
[03:38] <fabbione> with dual core and so on
[03:38] <T-Bone> it has dual cores yeah
[03:38] <fabbione> ok thanks
[03:38] <T-Bone> in pa8800
[03:38] <T-Bone> (latest CPUs)
[03:40] <fabbione> T-Bone: ok thanks
[03:41] <T-Bone> fabbione : where comes that sudden interest for PA-RISC features? ;)
[03:41] <fabbione> T-Bone: curiosity mainly
[03:41] <fabbione> i don't know much about hppa hw
[03:42] <fabbione> other than the 9100 is a huge empty piece of crap
[03:42] <zul> ok...i give up
[03:42] <T-Bone> fabbione : hehe. Well, just to reassure you: yeah, SparcSucks4 sucks, as the name suggest ;)
[03:42] <fabbione> zul: ?
[03:42] <fabbione> zul: can you explain me the problem?
[03:42] <T-Bone> SparcsSuxtyFour, even
[03:42] <zul> the debian deleting 
[03:43] <zul> there is kernel-versions and package-list outside the debian directory
[03:43] <fabbione> zul: did you grab the .diff .dsc from people.u.c when i published it?
[03:43] <zul> yep
[03:43] <fabbione> did you unpack it with dpkg-source -x .dsc ?
[03:43] <fabbione> no
[03:43] <zul> uh..
[03:44] <fabbione> you unpacked the orig
[03:44] <zul> yeah
[03:44] <fabbione> and sticked the debian dir in that
[03:44] <T-Bone> bwahahaha
[03:44] <fabbione> you know.. the diff.gz..
[03:44] <fabbione> ok just for the sake of simplicity
[03:44] <fabbione> kill everything
[03:44] <fabbione> if you don't have the .diff.gz .dsc do the following:
[03:44] <fabbione> unpack the orig
[03:44] <T-Bone> as in 'rm -rf /' ? ;)
[03:45] <fabbione> cd whatever dir
[03:45] <fabbione> vi Makefile
[03:45] <fabbione> and set the EXTRAVERSION =
[03:45] <fabbione> instead of rc2
[03:45] <fabbione> the next is scripts/packaging/Makefile
[03:45] <fabbione> or packages
[03:45] <fabbione> search for the only instance of debian
[03:45] <fabbione> and comment it out
[03:46] <zul> ok..
[03:46] <fabbione> you MIGHT notice that the instance of debian is inside a clean target rule
[03:46] <zul> frigging christ..
[03:46] <fabbione> blame upstream
[03:46] <fabbione> AHAHHAHA
[03:46] <zul> i blame the french
[03:47] <T-Bone> ah. That's a good thing done ;)
[03:52] <zul> back to work..
[03:52] <T-Bone> fabbione : dude. You're so utterly scatological perv, to say the least... ;P
[03:55] <lamont> fabbione: switch to using the colostomizer
[03:56] <T-Bone> lamont : weird, i'd have thought you'd suggested some practical highly explosive matterial instead ;] 
[03:57] <T-Bone> -t
[03:58] <lamont> T-Bone: I just love that word, taht's all
[03:58] <lamont> thank you simpsons
[03:58] <fabbione> ehhee
[03:58] <T-Bone> heh. you perv ;)
[03:58] <T-Bone> yeah. Simpsons perv, should i have said :)
[03:59] <T-Bone> OTOH, fabbione is stupid enough to blow himself with explosives, instead of blowing his target (me). That'd be nice though ;)
[03:59] <zul> hmmm...the compile fails with gcc 4
[03:59] <T-Bone> zul : heh, what a surprise, my dear :P
[04:00] <zul> its one of our patches
[04:15] <T-Bone> "And radio buttons look like they were drawn in the dark by a drunk with a broken pencil."
[04:15] <T-Bone> how cute ;)
[04:15] <zul> whats this?
[04:15] <T-Bone> http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu
[04:15] <T-Bone> (point 52. I *love* point 45, fwiw ;)
[04:16] <zul> holy crap..
[04:17] <T-Bone> (and point 37 is unsurprising to me)
[04:18] <fabbione> ok update for the ipw2200 committed
[04:18] <fabbione> the kernel should be able to build again
[04:19] <fabbione> zul: what drivers did you update?
[04:19] <fabbione> i am planning to stop now..
[04:19] <fabbione> if so.. are you also updating debian/external-drivers ?
[04:20] <zul> ppp-mppe and cpad so far
[04:20] <fabbione> zul: ok
[04:20] <fabbione> just use external-drivers to keep track
[04:20] <zul> and i have a couple of bugs about external drivers in bugzilla as well
[04:20] <zul> thats what i have been doing
[04:21] <fabbione> zul: yeah we have a bunch in bugzilla
[04:21] <zul> and fixing some gcc4 stuff..
[04:21] <fabbione> but before dragging in 30984 external drivers we should decide if we want them or not first
[04:21] <fabbione> gcc4 is not a priority right now
[04:21] <fabbione> we need to get our tree updated first
[04:21] <zul> im running gcc4 at home
[04:21] <fabbione> otherwise it will keep failing somehere
[04:22] <fabbione> anyway i need a break
[04:22] <T-Bone> fabbione : i might have some time to toy around on my ppc later today, if that can help
[04:22] <fabbione> later guys
[04:22] <fabbione> T-Bone: boot the kernel :)
[04:22] <T-Bone> kay :)
[04:25] <zul> oh and dont do what i did
[04:25] <T-Bone> zul : i'm much smarter than you are ;)
[04:25] <T-Bone> Teeheeheehee
[04:25] <zul> T-Bone: if you could see the finger im showing you right now you wouldnt be impressed
[04:26] <T-Bone> no i wouldn't
[04:26] <T-Bone> ;)
[04:28] <T-Bone> hmm
[04:29] <T-Bone> zul : would you please point me at the place where fabbione's diff/orig live? :}
[04:30] <T-Bone> (you can use whatever finger for that, i don't care ;o)
[04:35] <zul> let me use my middle finger and i can point you to http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione
[04:35] <T-Bone> hmm
[04:35] <T-Bone> i must have looked at the wrong place there, can't find it :P
[04:35] <zul> hmmm..he must have deleted them
[04:35] <T-Bone> there's the orig
[04:35] <T-Bone> not the diff
[04:35] <T-Bone> fsck
[04:36] <zul> gimme a sec.
[04:36] <T-Bone> there's an ugly picture of his hacking area too ;)
[04:36] <zul> because i like you ill help you up
[04:37] <zul> http://zulinux.homelinux.net/
[04:37] <T-Bone> zul : duuuuuuuude, you're so keen on me. Thaaaank you ssooooooo muuuuuuch (figure out the voice of Britney Spears playing hooker, as usual) ;)
[04:37] <zul> eww
[04:38] <T-Bone> zul : since i like you too, i'm fetching the orig from p.u.c, to avoid hogging your bw ;)
[04:40] <zul> thanks
[04:40] <T-Bone> it also saves me some time ;)
[04:41] <zul> bastard
[04:41] <T-Bone> thoug p.u.c is *slow* dog ;)
[04:42] <T-Bone> there it is. I have them all, thx
[04:42] <zul> no probs
[04:43] <T-Bone> ewww
[04:44] <T-Bone> i've just been looking at d-private mail. Damn, yet another GFDL flamewar ;P
[04:44] <zul> are you surprised?
[04:44] <T-Bone> hell no
[04:44] <zul> gfdl?
[04:44] <T-Bone> let them provide useless free tools with no doc at all :P
[04:44] <zul> lol
[04:44] <T-Bone> Gnu Free Doc License
[04:45] <zul> debian-devel is who has the biggest balls 
[04:45] <T-Bone> afaik, Ubuntu won't go that way. Though i guess it'll be interestingly painful to merge back what debian will remove ;P
[04:46] <zul> heh..
[04:46] <T-Bone> zul : not the biggest balls, far from it. The biggest mouth, at best
[04:46] <T-Bone> or the most time to spend replying
[04:48] <zul> gentoo is kind of the same way but people are trying to make money off it
[04:49] <T-Bone> huh?
[04:49] <zul> gentoo has it share of flame wars but there are alot of developers trying to make a profit from their work
[04:50] <zul> and that gentoo also sold their souls to the devil
[04:50] <T-Bone> zul : i don't fully understand what this is about. I guess i'm not involved enough in gentoo to figure out ;)
[04:51] <zul> T-Bone: good thing to :)
[04:52] <T-Bone> heh
[04:52] <kylem> sold their souls?
[04:56] <zul> working with sun
[04:56] <T-Bone> and we'd really need a way to build only a given flavour (better one than hacking rules)
[04:57] <zul> i totaly agree
[04:57] <T-Bone> zul : that's the first step to see what's wrong, mind you (dpkg-buildpackage) :)
[04:57] <T-Bone> and it builds so fast...
[04:57] <T-Bone> especially now that i have added some ram to the box
[04:58] <T-Bone> yet it doesn't use CONCURRENCY-LEVEL, sigh :(
[05:02] <zul> im debating to go to 64bit soon
[05:03] <T-Bone> heh
[05:03] <T-Bone> i find 64bit rather useless for my workflow
[05:04] <T-Bone> unless i need loads of RAM and I use scientific apps, which doesn't happen everyday ;)
[05:05] <T-Bone> maybe 3 isn't enough
[05:06] <T-Bone> huho
[05:06] <T-Bone> it uses it in modules and not in builtin
[05:15] <T-Bone> make[6] : *** [drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100/ipw2100.o]  Error 1
[05:16] <T-Bone> huhu. "Fixed" says he
[05:17] <T-Bone> and "ewww i don't like that one": include/acpi/platform/aclinux.h:59:22: asm/acpi.h: No such file or directory
[05:19] <lamont> T-Bone: building ppc?
[05:20] <T-Bone> yeah
[05:20] <T-Bone> forget it
[05:20] <T-Bone> looking at the code, this can't work
[05:20] <lamont> yeah
[05:21] <T-Bone> linux/acpi.h unconditionnaly includes asm/acpi.h
[05:21] <T-Bone> hmm
[05:22] <T-Bone> assuming this is right, i suppose the driver should only include linux/acpi.h if CONFIG_ACPI is enabled...
[05:23] <T-Bone> given only x86, X86_64 and ia64 have asm/acpi.h :P
[05:26] <T-Bone> i get it
[05:27] <T-Bone> looks like it should include <acpi/acpi.h> instead of <linux/acpi.h>
[05:28] <T-Bone> maybe not
[05:29] <T-Bone> duh
[05:29] <T-Bone> come to thinkof it
[05:29] <T-Bone> ipw2x00 familly should only be useful on x86 machines, right?
[05:30] <T-Bone> which makes it then normal it assumes acpi is available :P
[05:32] <kylem> the ipw driver depends on acpi?
[05:33] <T-Bone> kylem : my 2cents is that it doesn't build without it
[05:33] <kylem> groan.
[05:33] <T-Bone> either poorly designed conditionnal build, or poorly designed driver
[05:33] <kylem> i've a little `embedded' x86 board i need to build it on later.
[05:35] <T-Bone> given what i see in the code, i'd bet on the former
[05:38] <T-Bone> that works
[05:39] <T-Bone> i find it strange include/linux/acpi.h doesn't have a check for CONFIG_ACPI
[05:39] <T-Bone> yet i know *nothing* about ACPI
[05:41] <T-Bone> s/fix/way of fixing this/
[05:58] <T-Bone> zul : i'm about to leave. Can you check with fabbione/whoever what the proper way of "fixing" the ipw2100 driver is? Basically all it needs is "not to include <linux/acpi.h> on non ACPI enabled kernels"
[06:57] <fabbione> yeah i didn't check portability of the new code yet
[06:58] <fabbione> right now i am only updating it
[06:58] <fabbione> anyway dinner time
[06:58] <fabbione> cya later for the meeting
[07:04] <T-Bone> meeting?
[07:07] <zul> now?
[07:07] <zul> 20:00 utc
[07:07] <T-Bone> no i just figured out fabbione was talking about TB
[07:08] <zul> ah...sorry i just have a wicked headache
[07:08] <T-Bone> there are no kernel-related stuff on the agenda so i think i can safely ignore it
[07:08] <zul> dont worry ill be there
[07:08] <T-Bone> zul: and that's supposed to reassure me? :)
[07:09] <zul> if you dont want me to kick your ass
[07:09] <T-Bone> i'm not quite sure this makes a difference :)
[07:09] <zul> you right it doesnt
[07:09] <T-Bone> lol
[07:11] <T-Bone> but since i haven't built the initrd...
[08:34] <jbailey> Then you would probably have a sad experience. =)
[08:47] <T-Bone> my bet
[08:48] <T-Bone> hence not booting it :)
[08:48] <T-Bone> (and playing guitar instead ;)
[08:48] <T-Gone> bbl
[09:10] <fabbione> re
[09:10] <zul> hey fabbione 
[09:10] <fabbione> yo
[09:10] <zul> yoyo
[09:14] <fabbione> zul: did you merge any patch?
[09:15] <zul> nope still at work
[09:15] <fabbione> ok
[09:15] <zul> will do some work tonight though
[09:15] <fabbione> what was your archive again?
[09:15] <zul> http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch
[09:16] <fabbione> unable to access URL: /arch/.listing
[09:16] <fabbione> webdav error: 404 Not Found
[09:16] <zul> fuckers..
[09:17] <fabbione> i am going to update some more stuff in the meanwhile
[09:17] <zul> how do you create a listing file again?
[09:17] <fabbione> we need ask lamont.. i really don't know
[09:17] <zul> lemme check my logs
[09:17] <zul> doh..
[09:20] <fabbione> where is T-Gone when we need him
[09:21] <zul> fabbione: try now
[09:21] <zul> well i dont need him :)
[09:21] <fabbione> still 404
[09:22] <fabbione> ok.. time to update ndiswrapper :)
[09:22] <fabbione> i remember this one to be a bitch
[09:22] <zul> better you than me
[09:23] <fabbione> zul: die bitch
[09:23] <kylem> damn, you ubuntu guys are harsh.
[09:23] <kylem> ;-)
[09:23] <fabbione> kylem: ahaha
[09:23] <fabbione> kylem: see..
[09:23] <zul> fabbione: i know what you are but what am i 
[09:23] <kylem> don't you have a code of conduct? :)
[09:23] <fabbione> this is the only chan in which we can really express ourself
[09:23] <zul> not in this channel
[09:23] <fabbione> kylem: yes we do.. but we override it in this chan
[09:24] <fabbione> actually
[09:24] <kylem> haha.
[09:24] <fabbione> we should rename it
[09:24] <kylem> that's amusing. :)
[09:24] <fabbione> s/-kernel/-psycoslutskernelmaintainers
[09:28] <zul> -psychocrazykernelmaintainers
[09:28] <fabbione> whatver
[09:28] <fabbione> DIE DIE DIE MY DARLING!
[09:29] <zul> lay off the mafia movies :)
[09:30] <fabbione> that's from Metallica dude
[09:31] <zul> heh metatica sucks
[09:31] <zul> metalica even
[09:31] <fabbione> metaLLica
[09:31] <kylem> zul, third time the charm? :)
[09:31] <fabbione> i wonder who registered DonCorleone :)
[09:32] <fabbione> i swear i didn't
[09:35] <zul> shaddup im writing documentation
[09:36] <fabbione> to do what? print it on a 4 layers toilet paper for further use?
[09:36] <zul> pretty close..
[09:36] <zul> how to install a windows app
[09:37] <zul> its not my fault!!
[09:39] <zul> stupid crown corporation
[09:39] <zul> fabbione: try now
[09:40] <kylem> zul, for whom do you work? NavCan? (trying to guess based on location)
[09:40] <zul> kylem: IDRC
[09:40] <kylem> ah.
[09:41] <fabbione> zul: still 404
[09:42] <zul> its a TB meeting tonight?
[09:42] <crimsun> yep
[09:42] <zul> heh everyone get their shots
[09:43] <fabbione> ah now i remember all the pile of crap behind ndis
[09:44] <fabbione> hmm
[09:44] <fabbione> we need to decide how deep we want to go with ndis for breezy
[09:45] <fabbione> because it supports amd64 now
[09:45] <fabbione> but there is an issue
[09:45] <fabbione> it generates a bunch of headers at build time
[09:45] <fabbione> that is not really someking kbuild likes
[09:45] <fabbione> let's stick with i386 for now
[09:45] <fabbione> we will see in future :)
[09:45] <dilinger> er
[09:46] <dilinger> what generates a bunch of headers?
[09:46] <fabbione> dilinger: ndiswrapper
[09:46] <fabbione> it has a target called make gen_exports
[09:46] <fabbione> without _exports file = FTBFS
[09:46] <fabbione> but they are generated dynamically according to the arch
[09:46] <zul> we could always split it out of the kernel
[09:46] <fabbione> and they are different between i386/amd64
[09:46] <fabbione> even if they have the same names
[09:47] <fabbione> zul: uh?
[09:47] <zul> actually what was i thinking
[09:47] <dilinger> fabbione: i'm so confused
[09:47] <dilinger> the headers are autogenerated during build
[09:47] <dilinger> and used during build
[09:47] <dilinger> and that's all
[09:47] <dilinger> i've gotten reports of the ndiswrapper in sid working for amd64
[09:47] <fabbione> dilinger: yes.. but that's ok when ndiswrapper is compiled outside the kernel tree
[09:48] <dilinger> ah
[09:48] <fabbione> when we apply it as patch inside the kernel
[09:48] <fabbione> ...
[09:48] <dilinger> right
[09:48] <fabbione> so I need to find a way to deal with that
[09:48] <fabbione> brb
[09:49] <dilinger> ndiswrapper needs to go away, and be replaced by something shipped in the kernel that's a bit cleaner..
[09:54] <T-Gone> fabbione: i'm digging in your ass ;] 
[09:54] <dilinger> oh my
[09:55] <T-Bone> dilinger: your what? ;o)
[09:55] <fabbione> T-Bone: hell...
[09:55] <fabbione> that's almost disgusting...
[09:55] <fabbione> that's probably why it was hitching
[09:56] <T-Bone> fabbione: yeah. Unless you were sitting on the sodomotron...
[09:56] <T-Bone> =] 
[09:57] <T-Bone> fabbione: let's cut the crap (where it is btw), why were you looking for me? :)
[09:57] <fabbione> T-Bone: you are really asking me.. aren't you?
[09:58] <fabbione> T-Bone: it was for a driver update on a what used to be a french only site, but they translated it in a sane language
[09:58] <T-Bone> fabbione: huh?
[09:58] <T-Bone> which one is that?
[09:59] <fabbione> T-Bone: the eagle-usb
[09:59] <fabbione> but they translated the site in english
[10:01] <T-Bone> ok
[10:03] <fabbione> it munged almost 300 pkgs
[10:03] <T-Bone> wow
[10:03] <fabbione> only 10 FTBFS
[10:03] <T-Bone> in how much time? :)
[10:03] <fabbione> from this morning at 5am
[10:04] <T-Bone> sweet
[10:04] <fabbione> yeps
[10:04] <fabbione> it won't manage to build universe before breezy
[10:04] <zul> hmmm...http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch/zulcss@gmail.com--2005
[10:04] <fabbione> but it might get pretty close
[10:04] <T-Bone> lol
[10:04] <fabbione> unable to access URL: /arch/zulcss@gmail.com--2005/.listing
[10:04] <fabbione> webdav error: 404 Not Found
[10:04] <fabbione> zul: does it work for you?
[10:05] <zul> im using sftp
[10:05] <fabbione> well.. hell.. try it in http to?
[10:05] <fabbione> T-Bone: universe has tons of small packages.. that's why
[10:05] <T-Bone> yeah i know
[10:06] <fabbione> all the big ones are in main anyway
[10:06] <T-Bone> at some point one of my autobuilders was processing 1000+ packages a day
[10:06] <fabbione> between kernel, glibc, gnome, gayde and ooo
[10:06] <fabbione> T-Bone: yeah i am not surprised
[10:07] <fabbione> oh.. hold on.. 300 + i had a parallel build running with the kernel
[10:07] <T-Bone> heh
[10:08] <fabbione> ndiswrapper updated
[10:18] <zul> im off...later psychocrazycocainecrazykernelpeople
[10:18] <T-Bone> that's twice crazy
[10:18] <T-Bone> you're screwd ;)
[10:18] <kylem> is it just me, or is that a system of a down lyric.
[10:18] <zul> maybe
[10:19] <zul> i was listening to them all day...well most of the day
[10:19] <zul> toodles
[10:21] <T-Bone> fucking X kill :P
[10:22] <lamont> fabbione: --listing when you create the archive
[10:23] <fabbione> lamont: ok :)
[10:23] <lamont> or create a non-empty file called ${archive}/=meta-info/http-blows
[10:23] <fabbione> ahah
[10:25] <fabbione> if elmo doesn't flush the incoming queue soon, it will be full of sparc changes
[10:26] <lamont> fabbione: you're assuming that he's still going to take hoary uploads...
[10:26] <lamont> (I'm just hoping he willl)(
[10:26] <fabbione> lamont: well they are sparc binaries
[10:26] <fabbione> nothing changes the source
[10:26] <fabbione> i see no reason for rejecting them
[10:28] <lamont> fabbione: exactly
[10:28] <fabbione> lamont: we need to send out that mail to kernel-team with mdz and sabdfl in CC
[10:28] <lamont> it's just a question on how one interprets "no more hoary uploads"
[10:28] <lamont> fabbione: right
[10:28] <lamont> will be working through that toady
[10:28] <fabbione> lamont: yes.. i see the point :)
[10:28] <lamont> today, even
[10:28] <fabbione> lamont: thanks.
[10:39] <fabbione> hmmm
[10:39] <fabbione> i didn't know that prism2 has pci and some firmware stuff...
[10:39] <fabbione> well nobody complained.. so i guess the usb driver is enough
[10:40] <T-Bone> prism2 is used with some pci wifi cards as well as some pcmcia/cf ones, iirc
[10:41] <fabbione> yeah but we ship only the usb driver
[10:41] <T-Bone> we suck ;)
[10:41] <fabbione> nah probably nobody uses it anymore
[10:41] <kylem> 0000:01:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)
[10:41] <T-Bone> i thought we enabled *EVERYFUCKINTHING* in our kernels? :)
[10:41] <fabbione> otherwise we would have get reports about it
[10:41] <T-Bone> kylem: ^5!
[10:41] <kylem> of course, i don't run your crappy kernels. ;-)
[10:41] <T-Bone> LOL
[10:41] <fabbione> kylem: ahhaa
[10:42] <kylem> or your os, for that matter. cough. why am i here again?
[10:42] <T-Bone> kylem: i love you! (in all platonic ways of course ;)
[10:42] <fabbione> kylem: do you know if the pci version requires firwmares?
[10:42] <kylem> fabbione, it doesn't.
[10:42] <fabbione> so which one does?
[10:42] <kylem> fabbione, the firmware is upgradeable.
[10:42] <fabbione> ah ok
[10:42] <fabbione> so it is only required for upgrades
[10:42] <kylem> fabbione, is this hostap you're talking about?
[10:42] <kylem> or some other prism2?
[10:43] <fabbione> kylem: nope.. linux-wlan
[10:43] <kylem> oh, puke.
[10:43] <fabbione> i will get to hostap later...
[10:43] <T-Bone> fabbione: some USB dongles need the fw iirc
[10:43] <kylem> don't bother shipping linux-wlan prism2 pci/pcmcia... hostap is way better.
[10:43] <fabbione> T-Bone: you are french... and i don't trust you... + they might sell crappy hw there
[10:43] <fabbione> kylem: it is already there.. i am only updating it
[10:43] <T-Bone> fabbione: may i show you the finger and point you at the linux-wlan website?
[10:43] <kylem> fabbione, then there's no problem.
[10:44] <T-Bone> they list which devices need the fw there
[10:44] <fabbione> kylem: ok + i don't ship pci/pcmcia.. only usb
[10:44] <T-Bone> fabbione: I know for sure since i've been working on supporting one of said supported USB device on an embedded arm board
[10:44] <fabbione> T-Bone: aren't you part of the kernel team?
[10:44] <kylem> fabbione, that makes sense, i don't think hostap supports usb
[10:44] <fabbione> T-Bone: send me patches :)
[10:44] <fabbione> kylem: ok
[10:44] <fabbione> thanks
[10:44] <T-Bone> sometimes i wonder
[10:45] <fabbione> i have my cisco airnoet
[10:45] <fabbione> aironet
[10:45] <fabbione> it's UPSTREAM
[10:45] <lamont> fabbione: X question for you...
[10:45] <kylem> prism2 is supported by orinoco too...
[10:45] <fabbione> you and your crappy hw
[10:45] <fabbione> lamont: go ahead..
[10:45] <kylem> fabbione, bet you can't run in master mode... ;-)
[10:45] <fabbione> (if i can answer
[10:45] <lamont> so I just swapped out my CRT for an LCD display....
[10:46] <lamont> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[10:46] <fabbione> kylem: i don't need to. i have a cisco AP :)
[10:46] <lamont> now how do I get X to get with the program?
[10:46] <lamont> or is it reset time?
[10:46] <kylem> fabbione, heh, fair enough, i guess.
[10:46] <fabbione> lamont: uh.. i think it needs a reset
[10:46] <lamont> bummer.
[10:46] <lamont> brb
[10:47] <fabbione> kylem: i really don't use wlan a lot
[10:47] <kylem> lol. i don't use anything but.
[10:47] <fabbione> i still like my pure 100Mb cisco switches
[10:48] <T-Bone> fabbione: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz <= PCMCIA/CF are listed as using proprietary fw. that's all i can tell so far
[10:48] <fabbione> T-Bone: as you can see.. the usb doesn't
[10:48] <fabbione> and we don't ship pcmcia/cf
[10:48] <fabbione> so i was right
[10:48] <fabbione> we do NOT need firmware
[10:49] <fabbione> =
[10:49] <fabbione> T-Bone sucks
[10:49] <fabbione> probably because we can't redistribute the firmware
[10:50] <T-Bone> that doesn't prevent us from enabling the driver and let the user load the firmware, does it?
[10:50] <T-Bone> not to mention all devices that work without the firmware
[10:50] <T-Bone> but heh
[10:50] <T-Bone> i don't care
[10:50] <T-Bone> i don't run silly kernels ;)
[10:50] <fabbione> neither do i
[10:50] <fabbione> i don't have crappy hardware
[10:50] <T-Bone> fabbione: oh, the kernel boss doesn't care about his baby?
[10:50] <T-Bone> *interesting*
[10:51] <fabbione> nobody asked for it = less code = the better
[10:51] <T-Bone> heh
[10:51] <T-Bone> i doubt anybody has asked for ipw2x00 support on ppc but i'm being nitpicking i suppose ;)
[10:52] <kylem> how could they?
[10:52] <kylem> unless you can get it on a full size pci card...
[10:52] <lamont> ew.  still pixlelated
[10:52] <T-Bone> kylem: exactly what i'm asking. Yet we build it on ppc ;)
[10:52] <kylem> none of the laptops have minipci slots (cause apple sucks and stuff...)
[10:52] <T-Bone> kylem: tssks. Don't be so bitter because the machines are beautiful but unaffordable 8)
[10:53] <kylem> T-Bone, they're plenty affordable.
[10:53] <kylem> T-Bone, cheaper than my thinkpad...
[10:53] <T-Bone> lol
[10:53] <kylem> T-Bone, only the >15" powerbooks have pcmcia, and none of them have minipci. Top Kwality.
[10:53] <fabbione> aren't there any ipw2x00 pcmcia cards?
[10:53] <kylem> fabbione, i've never seen one.
[10:54] <fabbione> well this is argument for config allignment between arches
[10:54] <fabbione> that reminds me so much of dilinger and zul
[10:55] <kylem> what about things that won't build on one arch?
[10:55] <kylem> like, lots of the isdn stuff is #error broken on big endian
[10:56] <fabbione> kylem: that's the whole point of it
[10:56] <fabbione> we need to allign the core config options
[10:56] <fabbione> across all arches
[10:56] <fabbione> and ban the shit that is not needed on arch foo
[10:56] <kylem> hmm.
[10:56] <fabbione> the point is that nobody really knows all the details for each arch/subarch
[10:56] <fabbione> there are simply too many
[10:56] <fabbione> so we need to team up and clean up as much as we can
[10:57] <fabbione> possibly with a tool (dilinger?) to keep track of these kind of things
[10:57] <T-Bone> kylem: truth told i don't really see the point of minipci on a laptop. imho, laptop != desktop, but that's another topic ;)
[10:57] <kylem> T-Bone, you're kidding?
[10:57] <kylem> T-Bone, my minipci wireless hooks up to the internal antenna in my laptop.
[10:57] <kylem> can't do that nicely with pcmcia...
[10:58] <T-Bone> fair enough, but you see, we've got airport... ;)
[10:58] <kylem> only on ancient machines xor in Mac OS X...
[10:58] <T-Bone> fabbione: i don't understand what you're trying to do. Whaddya mean "core config options"?
[10:59] <T-Bone> kylem: huh?
[10:59] <kylem> airport is only on old machines, airport extreeme is only supported in mac os x.
[10:59] <T-Bone> err
[10:59] <T-Bone> can't airport extreme be driven like regular airport?
[11:00] <kylem> no.
[11:00] <kylem> it's a broadcom chip
[11:00] <T-Bone> ah
[11:00] <T-Bone> sweetness ;)
[11:00] <fabbione> T-Bone: stuff like HIGHMEM or PREEMPT
[11:00] <kylem> :)
[11:00] <T-Bone> kylem: let's rev-engineer that ;)
[11:00] <kylem> T-Bone, i started trying to.
[11:01] <T-Bone> fabbione: mostly what is to be found in 'General setup' i suppose then
[11:01] <kylem> same chip, but in the wrt54gs access points. (broadcom ships a binary wl.o)
[11:01] <T-Bone> fabbione: so we don't care about syncing drivers between archs no more?
[11:01] <kylem> T-Bone, reverse engineering a chunk of binary sucks arse.
[11:01] <T-Bone> kylem: huhu! I might want to help you doin that :)
[11:02] <fabbione> T-Bone: yes we do dude.. be elastic in your mind
[11:02] <kylem> T-Bone, heh. :)
[11:02] <kylem> we've all established i'm insane re-VisFX etc... :\
[11:02] <T-Bone> fabbione: then i don't see the point. "we do for some but not for all"?
[11:02] <fabbione> T-Bone: if arch foo supports USB we are going to buidl all the usb modules on it
[11:02] <fabbione> something that we do not do now
[11:02] <T-Bone> kylem: no, you're moderately wicked. Being insane would involve getting SuckyIO to work ;)
[11:03] <kylem> what's wrong with SuckyIO?
[11:03] <kylem> it's only slightly stupid.
[11:03] <T-Bone> fabbione: nice. What if a given module doesn't work/build on the arch?
[11:04] <T-Bone> kylem: everything?
[11:04] <T-Bone> 8)
[11:04] <fabbione> T-Bone: oh christ.. what is not clear about me writing: "<fabbione> and ban the shit that is not needed on arch foo"
[11:04] <kylem> i wish ad1889 would work
[11:05] <T-Bone> fabbione: not much. I'm just getting on you. Revenge, you see? :)
[11:05] <T-Bone> (because I can)
[11:06] <T-Bone> kylem: dreaming doesn't hurt. Until you wake up ;)
[11:06] <fabbione> T-Bone: do you realize that it is almost 20 hours that i am awake of which 17 here?
[11:06] <T-Bone> fabbione: not my problem 8)
[11:07] <T-Bone> fabbione: do you realize that you often get on me while i'm *hardly* awaken, or in the middle of a *very boring and idiotic work*? I guess that makes us quite equal ;o)
[11:07] <T-Bone> fabbione: besides, who said there were anything like *rules* between us? 8)
[11:08] <lamont> fabbione: we could kick-ban him for a few minutes... :)
[11:08] <T-Bone> Teeheehhee
[11:08] <T-Bone> lamont: too bad i passed the passwd over you, heh. That day i shot myself in the foot ;o)
[11:09] <lamont> hrhe
[11:09] <T-Bone> me notices that fabbione *is* anal, points him at http://spamusement.com/view.php?id=223
[11:25] <T-Bone> hmm
[11:25] <T-Bone> thinking of whic
[11:25] <T-Bone> h
[11:25] <T-Bone> lets warn everybody ;)
[11:37] <lamont> T-Bone: you do realize that the code-of-conduct applies here too, yes>
[11:37] <lamont> ?
[11:38] <T-Bone> ?
[11:41] <lamont> politeness and family-consumable type stuff, you know
[11:41] <T-Bone> ah
[11:42] <T-Bone> so i'm being moralized for merely behaving as the ops do on this chan?
[11:42] <T-Bone> i was mostly kidding but if it's unsuitable i'll shut up
[11:42] <T-Bone> not like i care
[11:44] <lamont> nah, was more referring to the PG13 comment.. :-)
[11:44] <T-Bone> well, since we're using *rough* words to say the least... :}
[11:44] <lamont> since that could tend to accellerate the kidding....
[11:45] <T-Bone> and given Ep III has been PG-13'd
[11:45] <T-Bone> i think we're a tad worse than Ep III ;}
[11:46] <fabbione> lamont: i am raelly not conviced at all about this gcc4 transition
[11:46] <fabbione> lamont: are you running any buildd test?
[11:46] <T-Bone> all hail the CoC
[11:47] <T-Bone> (i said "the") =] 
[11:47] <fabbione> baz commit -s'Update prism2 and wlan-ng'
[11:47] <fabbione> good.. this one is go to
[11:47] <lamont> fabbione: not yet - need to have a statement on what they want, and elmo needs to flush me a distro
[11:48] <T-Bone> lamont: lemme know if there's stuff that needs building in main
[11:48] <T-Bone> now that universe is built, getting back on some main packages ain't difficult
[11:58] <dilinger> fabbione: heh
[11:58] <dilinger> fabbione: right, i started that, just never finished
[11:58] <dilinger> and atm, i'm busy ebaying my possessions :)
[11:58] <fabbione> dilinger: well.. i think it's almost time to take away the dust from it :)