[12:02] <doko> hmm, dholbach not here?
[12:02] <tseng> nope
[12:02] <tseng> he finally passed out from the mad committe spree during hoary
[12:02] <tseng> and will sleep for the next week
[12:03] <doko> ok, that's better anyway
[12:05] <tseng> im joking of course
[12:14] <koke> maybe he is fixing another whole distro while breezy archive is set ;)
[12:16] <ajmitch_> dholbach was off travelling..
[12:16] <ajmitch_> he's probably having withdrawal symptoms
[12:17] <doko> koke, in the meantime you may want to start with http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCxxTransition
[12:17] <doko> ;)
[12:22] <ajmitch_> doko: but we don't know when the auotsyncs will start again..
[12:22] <ajmitch_> s/auot/auto/
[12:23] <ajmitch_> the first few weeks of breezy will be a fun ride
[12:23] <koke> err, but now there are no uploads, IIRC
[12:24] <ajmitch_> yep
[12:24] <koke> hoary is frozen, and there's no breezy atm, am I ok?
[12:24] <doko> sure, and before that happens, we should focus on main first.
[12:24] <ajmitch_> once breezy opens, we've all got to compete with dholbach for number of uploads ;)
[12:24] <koke> hehe
[12:24] <koke> ajmitch: first I'll need to be able to upload
[12:25] <ajmitch_> doko: so gcc-4.0 is going to be default for breezy?
[12:25] <doko> I wouldn't be surprised if yes
[12:25] <koke> I guess I'll be at UDU without my key on the ring
[12:25] <ajmitch_> koke: then you can harass elmo in person ;)
[12:25] <ajmitch_> and we can sign your key
[12:26] <koke> but then, I'll put my hand on elmo's shoulder and I'll say, "dude, I've just traveled half of the planet to see my key on the ring, would you do that for me?"
[12:26] <koke> :D
[12:26] <ajmitch_> haha
[12:31] <ajmitch_> there looks to be a good number of people going to UDU now
[12:33] <koke> err, how was the UniverseCXXTransition page generated?!?
[12:34] <siretart> how to check in pyhton if a strings starts with '__'?
[12:34] <koke> I'm wondering why debian-policy package is on that list :P
[12:34] <koke> siretart: IIRC , my_string.startswith("__")
[12:34] <koke> :D
[12:35] <JanC> that's what I thought too  :)
[12:35] <koke> In [2] : s.startswith("--")
[12:35] <koke> Out[2] : True
[12:35] <koke> s was "--ab"
[12:35] <siretart> koke: woah! thanks. pyhthon's impressing me more and more :)
[12:35] <koke> hehe
[12:36] <ajmitch_> koke: looks like a grep for 3.4 in bugs :)
[12:36] <koke> I see :D
[12:36] <ajmitch_> yeah, python is a nice language
[12:51] <schweeb> w00t. I got a new job.
[12:52] <JanC> nice
[12:52] <JanC> ( I hope ;) )
[01:03] <ajmitch_> congrats, schweeb
[01:04] <schweeb> I'm very excited
[01:05] <koke> that's great :D
[01:07] <schweeb> too bad I'm not of legal drinking age, I'd be at the bar half ini the bag now
[01:09] <ajmitch_> schweeb: how old are you?
[01:09] <schweeb> 20
[01:10] <schweeb> be 21 on May 22
[01:10] <ajmitch_> iirc the legal drinking age is 18 in .au, if you're going to UDU ;)
[01:10] <schweeb> I'm not ;_;
[01:10] <schweeb> what days is UDU?  I'll probably be starting during it... I start April 29
[01:11] <ajmitch_> april 25-30
[01:11] <koke> ajmitch: I hope that
[01:11] <koke> I'm 21
[01:12] <koke> hmmm, that's ok everywhere :D forget it
[01:12] <schweeb> I think the US is pretty much the only place where the age is 21... most everywhere else it's either if you're taller than the bar, if you're 16, if you're 18, or if you're 19 (in Canada)
[01:22] <jbailey> schweeb: 18 or 19 in Canada, depend son the province.
[01:25] <jbailey> schweeb: It practice about 30% of the population of Canada can drink at 18. =)
[01:30] <JanC> drinking age is 16 in Belgium for beer & wine, 18 for things like whisky
[01:31] <jbailey> Strange to differentiate like that.  I haven't met many 16 years olds who could stomach whiskey. =)
[01:31] <JanC> and when I was in the US when I was 19, we always found places that would sell us beer  :P
[01:32] <JanC> (well, beer, more like dishwashing water ;)
[01:39] <koke> anyway I'm already 21 and I keep drinking wine every weekend :D
[01:40] <koke> bye
[01:58] <JanC> hm, the new way to sell your hosting services: http://www.realroot.com/  :P
[03:04] <ajmitch> doko: should we be putting some of these lists into malone, since we're going to be using it heavily for breezy (I hope)?
[05:14] <ajmitch_> hi ogra
[05:49] <HostingGeek> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TimMorris
[05:49] <HostingGeek> Does anyone know who that guy is on IRC?
[06:03] <crimsun> I think it's high time we pushed monotone into universe.
[06:03] <crimsun> perhaps even main.
[06:03] <crimsun> for now, universe
[06:05] <spacey> whats special about monotone?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> linux likes it
[06:05] <Burgundavia> s/linux/linus
[06:06] <spacey> Linus Torvalds began working on an interim solution called "git" in the absence of BitKeeper
[06:06] <spacey> says kerneltrap.org
[06:06] <Burgundavia> http://lwn.net/Articles/130681/
[06:07] <crimsun> well, I just noticed that whole bk debacle (yes, I live under a rock)
[06:07] <Burgundavia> see the footnote
[06:07] <crimsun> and I noticed I have several monotone repos in ~
[06:07] <crimsun> (a python mp3 player I wrote, a branch of alsaplayer with wxwidgets ui, and my /etc as of mid last year)
[06:09] <JanC> heh, canonical is working on bazaar-ng to replace bitkeeper  ;-)
[06:10] <crimsun> sounds good to me :)
[06:10] <crimsun> it's used for the ubuntu kernels among many other things
[06:10] <Burgundavia> a bitkeeper killer is the description I have heard
[06:10] <JanC> bazaar-ng is only used for bazaar-ng at the moment
[06:10] <JanC> AFAIK
[06:10] <JanC> bazaar-ng != bazaar
[06:11] <crimsun> JanC: good point.
[06:11] <Burgundavia> when does breezy open. I need more crack of the day
[06:11] <JanC> the bazaar-ng developer said he wil have something more generally useable in about 3 months
[06:12] <HostingGeek> when will the merge be start/finished with debian sid?
[06:12] <JanC> HostingGeek  : you want his free beer ?
[06:13] <JanC> ;-)
[06:13] <HostingGeek> JanC: YES!
[06:13] <JanC> sorry, don't know the guy
[06:15] <JanC> hm, there is at least one Australian "Tim" on #ubuntu
[06:16] <JanC> (use /who #ubuntu )
[06:21] <HostingGeek> where is koke?
[06:21] <HostingGeek> I want to teach him howto login to udu
[06:21] <HostingGeek> poor guy had to add it to his blog...
[06:39] <crimsun> hmm.
[06:39] <crimsun> it appears 0.18 may make it into Debian quite soon
[06:39] <crimsun> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=208847)
[06:42] <ajmitch> hi all
[06:42] <crimsun> 'lo ajmitch
[06:43] <HostingGeek> when will the merge be start/finished with debian sid??????
[06:46] <HostingGeek> whats the diffrence in between the ubuntu kernel and the debian kernel?
[06:47] <ajmitch> grab it & take a look
[06:47] <HostingGeek> (i don't have anywhere else to ask)
[06:47] <HostingGeek> i am not that 1337
[06:52] <JanC> woah, another Ubuntu-Debian flame thread on /.   :P
[06:52] <JanC> they're going to do this every day or what?
[06:53] <spacey> what do they care that ubuntu packages don't work anyway :p arent we taking the package from debian in the first place
[06:53] <schweeb> schweeb = drunk
[06:53] <schweeb> I love ghetto bars.
[06:55] <jaldhar> spacey: if there must be a fork there must but gratuitous divergence should be avoided.  What Ian is saying that got lost in the flames is that Debian should pull its socks up and release sarge already
[06:55] <spacey> and binary compatible seems quite crappy to me, if debian only releases once every 5 years or something
[06:55] <jaldhar> spacey: where he is wrong is thinking that not working on ubuntu would make that happen faster
[06:55] <spacey> jaldhar, yeah
[06:56] <ajmitch> now it's only been ~3 years since woody released, not 5 ;)
[06:56] <jaldhar> actually the latest point release of woody was only a few weeks ago :)
[06:57] <HostingGeek> I belive debian should be a package system and that all
[06:57] <HostingGeek> always moving
[06:57] <HostingGeek> then distros like ubuntu take a snapshot and make something out of it
[06:58] <spacey> i don't understand why they are referring to rpm world and stuff, wasnt the beauty that all software was available in the repo's anyway. especially for debian itself
[06:58] <jaldhar> HostingGeek: I've made that argument in the Debian lists before
[06:58] <HostingGeek> so stable would have apache 2.0.53 by now
[06:58] <HostingGeek> debian should just be a source distro muwhahahaha (Please don't ever do this!)
[06:59] <HostingGeek> (unless everything gets writen in python)
[07:00] <JanC> well, if everything should be written in Python, you'd better install "Cleese OS"  :)
[07:00] <jaldhar> spacey: just throwing it all into a repository is easy.  The QA is the value add over RPM distros
[07:01] <JanC> the QA is also their problem I guess  :)
[07:03] <JanC> there being so many packages for so many architectures that there are always some things broken that hinder release...
[07:06] <spacey> funny comments in ian's blog
[07:13] <schweeb> jbailey: in practice, I've been drinking since I was 16 :P
[07:14] <ajmitch> 16 is probably quite late to start drinking in NZ ;)
[07:16] <spacey> ive been practicing since 14 or 15 :p
[07:18] <schweeb> new job celebrations rule
[07:18] <schweeb> :)
[08:09] <desrt> greetings, masters
[08:09] <desrt> how is the universe?
[08:10] <ajmitch> frozen :)
[08:10] <ajmitch> we can't work on it until breezy opens
[08:10] <desrt> i guess that disproves heat death
[08:39] <doko> ajmitch: sure, you can put these into malone, but AFAIK this cannot be done automatically
[08:45] <Usiu> Hi
[08:45] <Usiu> Anybody here >
[10:34] <tseng> morning dudes
[10:35] <Treenaks> hey tseng
[10:35] <tseng> how goes?
[10:37] <Treenaks> brain is fried from implementing some weird internal stuff here
[10:38] <Treenaks> (mail-related address lookup stuff... major case of NIH)
[10:39] <tseng> hm
[10:39] <tseng> i just suck it up and use outlook at work right now
[10:39] <tseng> they have exchange 5.5, evolution is no love
[10:40] <Treenaks> tseng: oh, that's not the problem, that part is nice and POP3
[10:40] <Treenaks> tseng: the problem is that we forward mail for our customers... and those addresses need looking-up
[10:42] <tseng> hm
[10:45] <tseng> hula will be cool for that stuff, but its way off =/
[10:45] <tseng> right now it wont even send me mail because i dont have an MX record or some such
[10:46] <tseng> works from every other mta
[10:46] <dredg> yeah, sendmail legacy feature
[10:46] <dredg> if you can't find the mx, send to the A
[10:46] <tseng> i dont think it sends to the A
[10:46] <Treenaks> tseng: we're using powermail, but with a custom oracle backend
[10:46] <tseng> it just fails to deliver anything
[10:46] <dredg> sendmail does. hula clearly does not
[10:47] <tseng> thats pretty crap
[10:47] <tseng> i wonder if its a setting in that horrid admin thing
[10:48] <Mithrandir> it should send to A, if not it's severly broken
[10:48] <Mithrandir> anyhow, including a MTA in a calendar server is so broken
[10:48] <dredg> it's groupware. nuf said :)
[10:48] <Treenaks> GrOuPWaReZ
[10:49] <Mithrandir> I want a good calendar app, dammit
[10:49] <Mithrandir> :)
; originally to brandon@smarterits.com (unrecoverable error)
[10:49] <tseng> The host 'smarterits.com' is unknown or could not be looked up
[10:49] <tseng>  ----- transcript of session follows -----
[10:49] <tseng> >>> MX Lookup
[10:49] <tseng> <<< DNS Host unknown
[10:49] <tseng> it must mean the MX, because their is certainly a working record
[10:49] <Treenaks> not having an MX should be an offence punishable by death
[10:49] <dredg> but you should have an MX
[10:49] <tseng> why would I make an MX pointing at the same box?
[10:50] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: no, it shouldn't.
[10:50] <dredg> because that's what mail exchanger records are for?
[10:50] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: yes, it should.
[10:50] <tseng> no, its not
[10:50] <Mithrandir> falling back to A is just fine.
[10:50] <tseng> its for pointing at a different box in cases where you need to
[10:51] <Treenaks> you can't register .nl domains if you don't have valid MX records for your domain..
[10:51] <Treenaks> they quote some RFC
[10:52] <Burgundavia> cool. I want one --> http://infralynx.nrl.navy.mil/photoGallery/ChicagoI.htm
[10:55] <Burgundavia> sorry, wrong channel
[10:55] <Burgundavia> just noticed
[11:18] <koke_> testing...
[11:18] <koke> great :D
[11:18] <koke> brb
[11:21] <fabbione> hey guys
[11:22] <dredg> hey fabbione :)
[11:23] <fabbione> hi dredg
[11:23] <koke> hi again
[11:23] <fabbione> i am seeking for a volunteer?
[11:24] <fabbione> to package 2 little applications
[11:24] <dredg> yup, sure
[11:24] <fabbione> dredg: are you up to it?
[11:24] <fabbione> i will review them personally, but they are pretty simple
[11:24] <dredg> not immediately as i have some work to do
[11:24] <dredg> is it urgent?
[11:25] <fabbione> http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoetools/
[11:25] <fabbione> dredg: not at all
[11:25] <fabbione> there are 2 sources.. aoetools and vblade
[11:26] <dredg> ok, i'll have a look at them later
[11:27] <fabbione> dredg: in 2/3 days would be fine...
[11:27] <fabbione> they are very simple.. it won't take you more than that to do them properly
[11:27] <fabbione> i want them in the archive as soon as breezy open
[11:28] <dredg> ok
[11:28] <fabbione> since they are the userland tools from some new kernel features
[11:29] <fabbione> but they are really cute and i would like to test them.. specially the vblade part :)
[11:29] <dredg> yeah, this looks pretty neat
[11:29] <Treenaks> fabbione: is there hardware that understands this?
[11:30] <fabbione> Treenaks: yes, there is a kernel driver for the generic protocol, developed by an hw manufacturer
[11:30] <Treenaks> fabbione: cool
[11:30] <fabbione> the vblade is a userland tool/daemon that can simulate the hardware :)
[11:30] <fabbione> that would solve a lot of my HD problems :)
[11:30] <fabbione> without using nfs
[11:30] <dredg> likewise
[11:30] <fabbione> in combination with GFS it would be the rock :)
[11:31] <Mithrandir> nice
[11:31] <Mithrandir> fabbione: looked into iSCSI?
[11:33] <ajmitch> looks quite useful
[11:34] <ajmitch> what kernels have the features needed?
[11:34] <fabbione> Mithrandir: doesn't that require a shared scsi chain?
[11:35] <Mithrandir> fabbione: scsi over IP?
[11:35] <Mithrandir> no, shouldn't
[11:35] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nope i didn't.. but i think it is the same concept, isn't it?
[11:35] <fabbione> as aoe
[11:35] <Mithrandir> more or less, yes
[11:42] <pvh> What package has libwine.so.1 in it? I can't find it anywhere and I've installed libwine*
[11:42] <pvh> I'm running, of course, the latest and greatest in Hoary technology.
[11:42] <Treenaks> pvh: what needs it?
[11:42] <pvh> Treenaks: wine
[11:42] <Treenaks> pvh: apt-get install wine
[11:43] <pvh> Of course I did that.
[11:43] <pvh> And I've googled on the topic as well.
[11:43] <Treenaks> I've apt-get installed wine.. and it works fine
[11:43] <pvh> Could you tell me if you see it when you type
[11:43] <pvh> dpkg -L libwine | grep libwine.so
[11:43] <pvh> ?
[11:43] <Treenaks> /usr/lib/libwine.so.1
[11:44] <pvh> Hmm. What version do you have?
[11:44] <Treenaks> ii  libwine        0.0.20050310-1 Windows Emulator (Library)
[11:44] <pvh> Aha.
[11:44] <pvh> I have 1.1, which is in universe.
[11:44] <Treenaks> it is?
[11:44] <Treenaks> I have this from universe
[11:45] <Treenaks> oh wait
[11:45] <Treenaks> it's truncated
[11:45] <pvh> Oh.
[11:45] <Treenaks> it's really 1.1
[11:45] <Treenaks> but dpkg -l likes to break its own output
[11:45] <pvh> Well then, how on earth could I be missing those files?
[11:45] <pvh> Maybe I should remove it and reinstall.
[11:45] <Treenaks> you could try that
[11:48] <pvh> Victory!
[11:48] <Treenaks> pvh: what was the problem?
[11:49] <pvh> I haven't the froggiest. I can only assume the files got clobbered at some point by something else I did.
[11:50] <Treenaks> disk full?
[01:12] <jbailey> schweeb: Right.  I meant legally. =)
[01:31] <GheRivero> res
[01:35] <ajmitch> night all :)
[02:03] <tseng|work> hm dholbach really did crash
[02:07] <\sh> what?
[02:16] <tseng|work> hah i would have never thought of that
[02:16] <tseng|work> i need a power converter for australian plugs
[02:16] <thom> tseng|work: heh, yes
[05:19] <GheRivero> res
[05:35] <zooko> Is there an established protocol for me to say "Dear Ubuntu: Would you please consider supporting [My Pet Tool]  and moving it from universe to main?"?
[05:36] <ogra> zooko, the ubuntu-devel mailing list and the TechincalBoard
[05:37] <zooko> Thanks.
[07:28] <herve> hi
[07:29] <ogra> hey herve
[07:37] <dholbach> hey
[07:37] <herve> hi!
[07:37] <dholbach> hey herve
[07:39] <dholbach> bbl
[09:10] <ajmitch> morning all
[09:11] <crimsun> morning ajmitch
[09:20] <ogra> hi ajmitch
[09:20] <crimsun> evenin' ogra
[09:21] <ajmitch> what's up?
[09:31] <ogra> writing a long mail to u-devel
[09:32] <ogra> hum, not long, bit it took some time to express what i mean....
[09:32] <ogra> s/bit/but
[09:32] <ogra> hey koke
[09:33] <ogra> koke, so we actually meet in UdU ?
[09:33] <koke> ogra: yeah :D
[09:33] <ogra> yippie :)
[09:44] <diamond_> lo
[09:45] <ajmitch> good day
[09:50] <diamond> there we go
[09:55] <trulux> any thoughts on making an Ubuntu conference in Europe, like the one in Matar :)
[09:56] <trulux> Extremadura could rock
[09:56] <dredg> europe? who the hell lives in that place?
[09:56] <trulux> the local government in Andaluca has an agreement with Canonical for working on an Ubuntu derivated distribution
[09:56] <trulux> Guadalinex
[09:57] <diamond> dredg: no-one worth talking to
[09:57] <trulux> dredg: I live in that place, and I hope there were reasons to make the conf. in Matar
[09:57] <trulux> diamond: really?
[09:57] <herve> dredg, er... aren't you Irish? ;-)
[09:57] <dredg> diamond: yer.
[09:58] <dholbach> hellas
[09:58] <diamond> trulux: ,-)
[09:58] <diamond> dholbach: hey
[09:58] <dredg> dholbach: will you be around at 5am? :)
[09:58] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:58] <dredg> dholbach: feeling masochistic? :)
[09:58] <dholbach> dredg: think so :-)
[09:59] <dholbach> hey diamond, dredg, ajmitch :-)
[09:59] <ajmitch> just burning a hoary live cd to play with at work
[09:59] <herve> dholbach, remove the gloves ;-)
[10:00] <dholbach> dredg: hrmmmm cake
[10:00] <ajmitch> ok, burnt, time to run to work ;)
[10:00] <tritium> dholbach, using ogra's laptop, or did you get your own?
[10:00] <ogra> tritium, he already left :(
[10:00] <dholbach> tritium: my sister's :-)
[10:00] <dredg> sweet zombie jesus 5am
[10:01] <ogra> dredg, wrong timezone ;)
[10:01] <ogra> dredg, we can sleep 1h longer here
[10:01] <dredg> ogra: given my usual luck with sleep i'll probably be still awake
[10:01] <ogra> heh
[10:03] <dredg> heh, 5 new MS vulns. announced this evening
[10:10] <dredg> wb
[10:11] <ogra> hmm, koke, could you move your site from the MaintainerCandidates page ?
[10:11] <koke> ogra: ok, I'll do
[10:29] <ajmitch_> live cd not so great on work computer :(
[10:47] <herve> bye all!
[10:58] <tritium> Thank you dholbach and ogra :)
[10:58] <ogra> :)
[10:58] <dholbach> *waiting* :-)
[10:59] <ajmitch_> eek, didn't realise there was meeting now
[11:00] <dredg> hmm?
[11:00] <dredg> er? what have i missed?
[11:00] <tritium> Thanks for that ajmitch_ :)
[11:01] <ajmitch_> tritium: my humblest apologies for not getting reviews done :(
[11:01] <dholbach> new-package-for-hoary-universe and doc/devel-team-cooperationg
[11:01] <tritium> ajmitch_, no worries :)
[11:02] <ajmitch_> tritium: 1 beer voucher, redeemable at UdU? ;)
[11:02] <tritium> ajmitch_, I wish I could be there!
[11:02] <tritium> thanks crimsun :)
[11:04] <tritium> Thank you everyone.
[11:04] <dredg> shit, was completely unaware of a meeting
[11:04] <crimsun> np. CC will essentially be a rubber stamp.
[11:04] <tritium> That was a nice surprise :)
[11:04] <crimsun> welcome aboard, mike
[11:04] <ajmitch_> dredg: as was I
[11:04] <dholbach> congratulations michael :-)
[11:04] <ajmitch_> tritium: well done :)
[11:04] <dredg> tritium: congrats :)
[11:05] <tritium> :-)
[11:05] <ogra> :)
[11:05] <tritium> I am humbled by your support :)
[11:06] <ajmitch_> now this means you have to WORK! ;)
[11:06] <dholbach> hahaha :-)
[11:06] <tritium> ajmitch, I will :)
[11:06] <dholbach> tritium: you seemed to have quite a lot of followers :-)
[11:07] <tritium> dholbach, that was very nice
[11:07] <dholbach> ROCK :-)
[11:07] <ajmitch_> now all you need is the tshirt :)
[11:07] <tritium> Is there one?
[11:08] <tritium> I knew one was being talked about...
[11:08] <ajmitch_> not yet, afaik
[11:08] <tritium> ogra, regarding the CC, I was pursuing the universe maintainer exception: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[11:08] <tritium> That does not appear to require CC approval
[11:09] <dholbach> we should rework our docs :-)
[11:09] <ogra> tritium, MOTU requires membeship
[11:09] <ogra> +r
[11:09] <crimsun> yep, need to be a member to be a maintainer ;)
[11:09] <tritium> ogra, yes, but "Maintainership through this process implies membership...:
[11:09] <tritium> "
[11:10] <crimsun> tritium: yes, but you still need CC approval
[11:10] <Amaranth> "Temporary (Pre-Hoary) Universe Maintainer Exception"
[11:10] <dholbach> and have a motu-meeting deciding over t-shirt--logo :-)
[11:10] <ogra> which you onlygain through the CC
[11:10] <tritium> crimsun, okay, the wording is rather unclear than
[11:10] <tritium> then
[11:10] <crimsun> tritium: at this point, it will be a rubber stamp, since the TB has already approved you.
[11:10] <tritium> Cool :)
[11:10] <Amaranth> Wait, to be a maintainer in universe for my own software I have to do all this stuff?
[11:11] <tritium> Amaranth, I realize it was pre-hoary.  Nevertheless, that was what I was pursuing.
[11:11] <crimsun> Amaranth: that's correct if you meant for upload privileges.
[11:11] <dholbach> Amaranth: yes, such a process is completely inevitable
[11:11] <Amaranth> Oh, I meant just to make the packages and give them to one of you.
[11:12] <dredg> Amaranth: there's not a lot to it really.
[11:12] <dholbach> Amaranth: no, just for MOTU status and upload privileges
[11:13] <tritium> The CC meeting is in just under 7 hours, correct?
[11:13] <dredg> correct
[11:13] <tritium> thanks
[11:13] <crimsun> midnight, heh
[11:13] <crimsun> yeesh ;)
[11:13] <ajmitch_> dholbach: shall we begin the initiation? ;)
[11:13] <crimsun> back in a bit
[11:13] <dredg> bah, if i had known about the TB meeting i'd have poked diamond with the great stick of "get the hell in there" :)
[11:13] <dholbach> :-))
[11:14] <dredg> we need rdf feeds
[11:14] <dredg> dammit
[11:14] <dredg> :)
[11:14] <dholbach> YES
[11:14] <dholbach> dredg: :-)
[11:14] <tritium> You guys are the best.  I can't thank you enough for supporting me.
[11:14] <dredg> dholbach: and beer! and blackjack!
[11:14] <tritium> Working with you all has been a privelege.  I look forward to continuing it.
[11:15] <dholbach> blackjack? hrm...
[11:15] <dholbach> tritium: same goes out to you... good to have you here :-)
[11:15] <tritium> :-)
[11:15] <ogra> :)
[11:15] <ogra> yeah
[11:15] <tritium> Thanks!
[11:16] <tritium> Okay, I must excuse myself.  I have to meet with my advisor.
[11:16] <tritium> Take care all, and I'll see you later on.
[11:16] <dredg> hmm, so sleep now (if i can, i'm out of sleeping tablets) or stay awake til 5
[11:16] <dredg> night tritium
[11:16] <dholbach> bye tritium
[11:16] <tritium> see you
[11:16] <dholbach> i'll be off to bed soon too
[11:16] <ogra> bye tritium
[11:17] <siretart> evening, folks
[11:17] <dholbach> hey siretart
[11:17] <ogra> hi siretart
[11:18] <dholbach> everyone who wants to become member-> tomorrow 4 utc
[11:18] <dholbach> april 13th, 4 utc to be exact
[11:18] <siretart> hi dholbach, hello ogra
[11:18] <siretart> 4 utc is 6 in the morning in germany, yes?
[11:19] <dholbach> siretart: yes
[11:19] <siretart> awfully early ;)
[11:19] <dholbach> in summer times :-)
[11:19] <ajmitch_> 4pm here for me, not too hard :)
[11:19] <dredg> ajmitch_: bastard :)
[11:20] <siretart> hrhr
[11:31] <\sh> dholbach: prerequisite for a member? ,-)
[11:31] <dholbach> \sh: some kind of evidence for "working" in ubuntu
[11:31] <dholbach> ... any ... :-)
[11:32] <\sh> dholbach: a well :)
[11:32] <dholbach> and signing the CoC
[11:32] <\sh> yeah...what about "hating documentation"?
[11:32] <\sh> next time :) first of all i will send in some packages ;)
[11:32] <dholbach> \sh: beg your pardon?
[11:33] <Amaranth> 4 utc is 11pm here
[11:33] <\sh> dholbach: well...I'm fighting here with the debian packaging manual ;)
[11:34] <dholbach> \sh: i think this has nothing to do with the process of becoming member :-)
[11:34] <\sh> dholbach: nono ;) but i will apply for a membership the next time...not this time :)
[11:35] <dholbach> good one :-)
[11:35] <tseng> dholbach: !
[11:36] <dholbach> tseng: ? :-)
[11:36] <ogra> dholbach, looks like we can do  beachvolleyball game MOTU vs main ;)
[11:36] <dholbach> YES :-)
[11:37] <Amaranth> at ubu?
[11:37] <ogra> yeah
[11:37] <Amaranth> someone needs to setup a video stream
[11:37] <dholbach> Amaranth: jdub surely will
[11:38] <thom> heh, rocking
[11:38] <dholbach> i think, i'll be off to bed now... have a nice evening :-)
[11:39] <dholbach> bye siretart
[11:39] <dredg> night dholbach, siretart
[11:39] <crimsun> night dholbach
[11:40] <ogra> dholbach, will you attend CC ?
[11:40] <dholbach> bye dredg, jani
[11:40] <dholbach> ogra: yes
[11:40] <ogra> oh, great...
[11:40] <dredg> ajmitch can make breakfast
[11:40] <dholbach> woohoo, exactly, give ajmitch something todo :-)
[11:41] <ogra> heh
[11:41] <\sh> well...today was a nice day...laying in bed, laptop on the hips...and learning how to use dpatch, writing rules files, oracle lintian warnings, crashing firefox with 86 tabs opened
[11:41] <crimsun> just use cdbs's dpatch module ;)
[11:41] <\sh> crimsun: well...too late :)
[11:41] <\sh> funny thing is: if you want to package a library source
[11:43] <ogra> hehe
[11:43] <dholbach> bye :-)
[11:43] <\sh> you need to know, that all the debian stuff wants to have as destdir $(CURDIR)/debian/libfoo and $(CURDIR)/debian/libfoo-dev, if don't do this, u sit at your desk, just like me, and do 10 hours of rtfming
[11:44] <dredg> ajmitch_: just toast and coffee for me, thx ;)
[11:44] <ajmitch_> oh sure
[11:44] <ajmitch_> you want to come to NZ to collect it then?
[11:45] <dredg> yes, if you're paying for the flights ;)
[11:45] <ajmitch_> haha
[11:46] <ajmitch_> if I could do that, I'd be flying instead
[11:46] <ajmitch_> it's only the other side of the world :)
[11:46] <dredg> true
[11:46] <dredg> guess it'll be cold pizza for brekkie then :)
[11:47] <thom> 20 hours or so of flight just for brekkie seems a little OTT
[11:47] <dredg> thom: not if i can convince ajmitch to bring it here.
[11:48] <thom> dredg: true, true
[11:48] <ogra> dredg, at least the egg will be cold
[11:48] <thom> dredg: but if you came this way you could stay for UDU ;-)
[11:48] <ogra> yeah !
[11:49] <dredg> thom: dude, i wish
[11:49] <ajmitch_> more MOTUs at UDU, excellent :)
[11:49] <dredg> if someone wants to fund me... :)
[11:49] <ajmitch_> I think there's at least 5 or 6 of us there?
[11:49] <thom> more of you to get beat at volleyball ;-)
[11:50] <dredg> thom: yeah, we irish people don't get to see the sun that often so outdoors just doesn't happen :)
[11:50] <ogra> ajmitch_, yup
[11:50] <ajmitch_> ogra: so whose team will you be on?
[11:50] <ogra> hmm, good question *g*
[11:50] <thom> dredg: *g*
[11:51] <dredg> thom: but that's ok, it's a defeat i could gracefully accept
[11:52] <thom> ajmitch_: i think we all do, really
[11:53] <ogra> i always work in my armchair
[11:53] <dredg> far too much time at a desk
[11:53] <thom> ogra: work harder then, slacker ;-)
[11:53] <ogra> hehe
[11:53] <ogra> thom, i'll get you ..... on sunday
[11:54] <thom> ogra: you're here for LCA? rocking! :-)
[11:54] <ajmitch_> ah, I wish I could be there for LCA again
[11:54] <ajmitch_> adelaide was fun
[11:54] <ogra> thom, nope...i'll be there for a week sydney ;)
[11:54] <thom> ogra: ah, heheh :-)
[11:54] <thom> ajmitch_: yeah
[11:54] <ajmitch_> I hope to see you all here in Dunedin in 2006
[11:55] <thom> ajmitch_: too right, omnic would never speak to me again if i didn't ;-)
[11:55] <dredg> gah, 11pm again
[11:56] <dredg> and in this case, dinner will also be breakfast. yes! cold pizza! winner! ;)
[11:57] <\sh> grmpf
[11:57] <ajmitch_> yes, about time I got breakfast
[11:57] <\sh> i compiled this bloody lib with -Wl,-share -fPIC and it won't be recognized as shared lib and lintian is bugging me :(
[11:58] <fabbione> thom: is already morning there?
[11:58] <thom> fabbione: 8am
[11:59] <thom> (s/wait/wake/)
[11:59] <fabbione> thom: hmmm i need to wake up in 5 hours and 30..
[11:59] <fabbione> that's almost a call to bed
[11:59] <fabbione> but 2.6.12 is looking too good :)
[11:59] <dredg> fabbione: or you could just stay awake
[12:00] <tseng> hey dudes
[12:00] <Mithrandir> thom: so you're just 8 hours ahead.  That means I have to slack off eight hours or catch up 16.  Joy.
[12:00] <Mithrandir> heya dude
[12:00] <dredg> tseng: hey