[12:00] <dockane_> holycow, yes
[12:00] <thoreauputic> MikeA, holycow: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif
[12:00] <stpere> hey there
[12:00] <thoreauputic> membreya: you'll keep ;)
[12:00] <holycow> dockane_, you should be able to do chown user.group /media/floppy0 i think for your self? then copy over?
[12:00] <turkey_joe> Can someone give me some advice on how to mount an NTFS partition??
[12:00] <smouche> ah, dockane_  - that looks familiar... ;-)  (haven't used a floppy in months...) not sure if my floppy drive even works...
[12:00] <burgermann> does anyone know if its possible to save a desktop and restore it on another comp?
[12:00] <MikeA> thoreauputic: LOL
[12:01] <membreya> smouche: I don't even have a floppy drive installed :P
[12:01] <fallstorm> talash, you set that stuff up from system -> administration -> shared folders
[12:01] <MikeA> what is the "ubuntu-desktop" package?
[12:01] <stpere> turkey_joe: sure
[12:01] <packet> I've never used the floppy drive in my current pc. I have no clue. it may be totally useless
[12:01] <fallstorm> (if someone wasn't helping you already, not sure)
[12:01] <membreya> thoreauputic: I would be scared if I didn't know you would be exhausted after 2 steps :P
[12:01] <holycow> thoreauputic, rofl, i'm making a poster out of that
[12:01] <holycow> haha
[12:01] <dockane_> smouche, same here, need to make a DOS! bootdisk with firmware *argh*
[12:01] <individ> i am trying to install linux kernel-2.6.11.7 and just after it passes from grub and says Decompressing kernel ... done i get an error like , Kernel panic VFS unable to mount file system on (hd0,0) adress .. something , why?
[12:01] <thoreauputic> MikeA: I managed to convince membreya that I look like that ;)
[12:01] <fallstorm> talash, and make sure your workgroup names are the same on both machines or you'll never get it working
[12:01] <stpere> /dev/hdd1 /mnt/windows ntfs iocharset=iso8859-15,ro,umask=0 0 0
[12:01] <packet> the ubuntu-desktop package is the gnome libraries and associated files that allow you to see something besides the command line.
[12:01] <stpere> this is a sample line in the /etc/fstab
[12:01] <smouche> packet, it amazes me how many new pc's don't even have them!
[12:02] <packet> don't uninstall it
[12:02] <turkey_joe> thanks
[12:02] <membreya> packet: technically it's a meta-package :P
[12:02] <packet> yeah smouche
[12:02] <smouche> are usb keys the "new floppies?"  I keep hearing about people booting from them -- amazes me...
[12:02] <mcdonaldswes> individ: did you compile with --initrd?
[12:02] <individ> and i do have selected ext2 in kernel config
[12:02] <MikeA> packet: I'm trying to reduce diskspace, and am using XFCE not Gnome
[12:02] <whiskey_1> well synaptic does appear to have removed the menueditor program but when i search for it again it does not show up
[12:03] <packet> membreya - yeah, I suck with the semantics sometimes. ;P
[12:03] <individ> mcdonaldswes i think so
[12:03] <fallstorm> smouche, I haven't used a floppy in years, just bought a USB flash drive a week or so ago... I'm using it just like I used a floppy
[12:03] <mcdonaldswes> individ: usually when it does that it's because I forgot the --initrd kernel-package option...
[12:03] <bendebian> is it a problem to drive ubuntu on a via K7T800Pro with amd64?
[12:03] <individ> mcdonaldswes oh
[12:03] <fallstorm> But I'd rather use my network storage (either through my university or my own privately hosted space)
[12:03] <mcdonaldswes> individ: are you sure your root partition is ext2?
[12:03] <packet> I use my usb key just like a floppy. except that its 512 mb and actually can hold stuff by comarison
[12:04] <individ> mcdonaldswes yes
[12:04] <whiskey_1> does anybody think the journal in ext3 will interfere with e2defrag
[12:04] <smouche> fallstorm, I have an archos jukebox that is an utter piece of crap for music, but I'm thinking I might be able to hack it into something bootable...
[12:04] <fallstorm> Mine is only 128, but I wanted it small so I couldn't just load it up with stuff that might get lost
[12:04] <individ> mcdonaldswes now i remember i dont have a initrd line in grub menu.lst
[12:04] <St0n3-C0l> Can anybody help me here with Menu Editor ?
[12:04] <smouche> well, I probably can't, but I'm sure someone could...
[12:04] <fallstorm> That'd be cool
[12:04] <mcdonaldswes> individ: ah I see... try that
[12:04] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, i just deleted it
[12:04] <individ> mcdonaldswes thanks
[12:04] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: defrag is (almost) never needed on linux filesystems
[12:05] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, that thing screwed my system
[12:05] <mcdonaldswes> individ: otherwise, I'm out of ideas :(
[12:05] <fallstorm> I used to use a 200mhz Pentium 1 with a 4.6gb drive for that stuff... but I'm just using my university file storage and emailing stuff to myself using gmail these days
[12:05] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, i still can't get the menu entry out of my menu
[12:05] <talash> fallstorm: of course
[12:05] <St0n3-C0l> whiskey_1: When I installed it first it deleted those apps whch I wanted to but now when I re-added my user it's not working
[12:05] <St0n3-C0l> I wanna ask Amanranth if it requires any permission
[12:05] <membreya> see..that's why I like KDE, I can actually edit my menus :P
[12:05] <individ> mcdonaldswes i dont think it cud be something else , because it panics just at the verry beginning
[12:06] <talash> fallstorm: the administration--> shared folders seems to be setting up the server, not the client
[12:06] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: True...but kicker freezes sometimes :P
[12:06] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, well i added one program name verify for md5sum and it added it to the wrong place and it did not work so i tried to delete it and i never could so it screwed my system...i still have the verify menu entry that i don't want
[12:06] <membreya> St0n3-C0l: it doesn't freeze..it SIG's :P
[12:06] <fallstorm> Ah... hmm.. in that case I'm not much help because the only other way I've set up Samba is using it's config file (editing it manually) and I don't remember much about that since it was several years ago, sorry.
[12:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: well, you should try fluxbox then -menus are totally editable :)
[12:06] <membreya> bite me thoreauputic :P
[12:06] <St0n3-C0l> membreya eh
[12:07] <smouche> fallstorm, I do the same with gmail -- great, ain't it.  and now 2 gigs -- pity about the file attachment limit though
[12:07] <St0n3-C0l> whiskey_1: LOL I don't why GNOME removed the feature of menu editor, instead of enhancing their features...they're remove it :P
[12:07] <packet> I messed with fluxbox a little. it was a total pain
[12:07] <St0n3-C0l> removing it*
[12:07] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, and there does not seem to be a way to find the file associated with the menu entry to manually delete it
[12:07] <fallstorm> I've never hit the file attachment limit since mostly I just email myself things like word documents, but gmail is awfully nice for things like that... Yahoo Briefcase isn't too terribly bad either.
[12:07] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[12:07] <Twiggy> Anybody know which package has the command pdflatex?
[12:07] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, well it doesn't work
[12:07] <smouche> be nice if people could upload more than 10 megs at once on g-mail, heh heh
[12:07] <fallstorm> But I have to get going, need to get to my internship.
[12:07] <whiskey_1> St0n3-C0l, maybe later
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> hmm...
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> maybe in 2.11 :P
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> or 2.12
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> I installed Kubuntu then added ubuntu-desktop and then removed KDE :P
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[12:08] <membreya> foolish move St0n3-C0l :P
[12:08] <St0n3-C0l> I find gnome more stable but not in gdesklets :P
[12:08] <thoreauputic> packet: fluxbox is not a total pain at all - perhaps you read the wrong docs
[12:09] <packet> St0n3-C0l, that's just corny.
[12:09] <holycow> membreya, diehard kde user eh?
[12:09] <holycow> hehe
[12:09] <umarmung> Twiggy: do you know about apt-file? This little tool helps you find out what file is in what package.
[12:09] <smouche> is fluxbox the thing that keeps talking about "slits"?
[12:09] <membreya> am now holycow :)
[12:09] <mainer> whiskey_1:kde or gnome
[12:09] <membreya> it's just so much more eye candy :P
[12:09] <St0n3-C0l> eye candy effects your eyes :P
[12:09] <packet> probably did read the wrong docs. I can't see spending an afternoon editing files to get a menu though. call me lazy.
[12:09] <membreya> so does mastu....erm nevermind :)
[12:09] <whiskey_1> mainer, it really doesn't matter to me....there are pluses and minuses for both systems.....but i do like the menu scrolling feature in gnome that kde doesn't have
[12:09] <membreya> would anyone here recommend mythtv over tvtime?
[12:10] <smouche> my eyes glaze over when I try to figure out some of these window managers
[12:10] <packet> yeah smouche it has slit
[12:10] <umarmung> Twiggy: apt-file tells me its in tetex-bin
[12:10] <packet> which is really just the place where you can dock apps I think?
[12:10] <whiskey_1> mainer, you know when you get a menu with say 200 applications long list...it helps to be able to scroll down the list
[12:10] <ice_1963> thoreauputi what is fluxbox ?????
[12:10] <thoreauputic> packet: there's a script to generate menus for you in fluxbox :)
[12:11] <thoreauputic> ice_1963:  http://fluxbox.org
[12:11] <ice_1963> ok
[12:11] <smouche> I like xfce4, but I don't like that it gives me so few options in configuring my panels...
[12:11] <packet> that's cool. too bad I never found the script
[12:12] <mainer> in kde,go to kdecontolcenter or kmenu>system>settings>menu editor or menu-update tool
[12:12] <MikeA> smouche: I agree, if it was incredibly customisable it would be amazing
[12:12] <packet> I have gnome all set like I like it now though...
[12:12] <holycow> one thing that we can improve is synchronising the places in nautilus and the places menu in the panel ... right now places in panel doesnt have cd burner, and places in nautilus doesnt have desktop and home, that would really be usefull imho
[12:12] <St0n3-C0l> I think KDE is more towards eye candy than stability
[12:12] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[12:13] <St0n3-C0l> when you logout Konqueror crashes :P
[12:13] <holycow> kde is also more toward very much power users and or people that are huge on tweaks
[12:13] <fejaor> Mozilla firefox is frozen everytime I tried to download and Active-X or Macromedia Plugin needed for a page....anyidea?
[12:13] <membreya> not on my system St0n3-C0l :) and don't forget KDE4 is out shortly :)
[12:13] <holycow> konqueror is simply an amazingly powerfull tool for example, but it's not something i can hope to train any employee on
[12:13] <dockane> ubuntu and floppies are driving me crazy
[12:13] <St0n3-C0l> see faster versions :P
[12:14] <mcdonaldswes> St0n3-C0l: the fastest way to end any program is to seg fault :)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> fejaor: active-x is a windows-only excrescence
[12:14] <smouche> Konqueror is a mess, with the default settings anyway; I finally stopped it from crashing by losing the navigation pane altogether
[12:14] <membreya> speaking of St0n3-C0l, it's supposed to be 30% faster :P
[12:14] <ells> does this look right to anyone     dvdauthor -o TITLE -c `cat chapters.txt` decryp.vob
[12:14] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[12:14] <fejaor> so it is a macromedia application
[12:15] <fejaor> that's the one that is freezing firefox without installing the plug in
[12:15] <yoni> how can i view rm files under ubuntu ? any plugins for xine?
[12:15] <smouche> konqueror's simpler profiles are fine; and I love konqueror with the "midnight commander" mode
[12:15] <packet> kde is all about eye candy.
[12:15] <ells> anyone familiar with dvd author
[12:15] <dockane> i did a sudo cp to ~/Downloads/Matshita \* /media/floppy and now error occured .... may i belief that all files are correctly transferred ?
[12:15] <membreya> works for my packet :P
[12:15] <DagaZ> how do I make it possible for other computers to print on my printer??
[12:16] <fejaor> it recognize that there's plugins missing but when I click on installing plugins...It pops up a window searching for plugins but then there's no response on firefox and nothing happens
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> Two things I liked in KDE and that is amaroK and Karamba
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> Karamba is better than gdesklets eh..
[12:16] <smouche> packet, very untrue.  First thing I did with kde was turn off most of the (annoying) eye candy.  It's more configurable -- at least more easily for a newbie-- than gnome,
[12:16] <smouche> and not just in the "visuals"
[12:16] <St0n3-C0l> smouche: Thats true :)
[12:16] <thoreauputic> dockane, what's the backslash for ?
[12:17] <dockane> thoreauputic, dont know : tabcompletition did it for me
[12:17] <membreya> yay 10 mins to go on my kubuntu download..then I get the joy of reinstalling :|
[12:17] <St0n3-C0l> but Gnome is very clean and simple
[12:17] <alterim> hey, windows xp is much better than ubuntu!
[12:17] <holycow> dockane, no don't assume anything with floppies.  unmount floppy, remount and see if they are there
[12:17] <fejaor> it recognize that there's plugins missing but when I click on installing plugins...It pops up a window searching for plugins but then there's no response on firefox and nothing happens
[12:17] <fejaor> any idea?
[12:17] <smouche> you can make kde as "clean and simple" as you want.
[12:17] <holycow> nice try :)
[12:17] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: *beware* madcow will eat you :P
[12:18] <holycow> i've got the apetite to prove it
[12:18] <umarmung_> smouche: but with gnome i don't need to, it just works(tm) >:-)
[12:18] <membreya> umarmung: so ....edited your menus lately? :P
[12:18] <dockane> holycow, well thats not possible because ubuntu tells me its not mounted , so i cant umount. (that is what drives my crazy)
[12:19] <alterim> i installed ubuntu and messed about with it for a couple of weeks in which time had several rows with my girlfriend about neglecting her
[12:19] <membreya> alterim: learn your lesson..dump the gf
[12:19] <smouche> umarmung, so does windowsXP, for most folks.  I'm using linux because I wanted more choices.
[12:19] <alterim> i've now deleted ubuntu, and go out more again
[12:19] <alterim> it's great!
[12:19] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[12:19] <St0n3-C0l> alterim hah
[12:20] <alterim> all my applications work!
[12:20] <smouche> gnome's great, kde's great (newest version, anyway) -- what difference does it make?  I wish they'd steal ideas from each other, and both get better.
[12:20] <membreya> including viruses and spyware alterim ? :P
[12:20] <holycow> *oooo* firefox 1.0.2 uses gnome file dialogs!!!!!!
[12:20] <alterim> never had a virus or spyware in ten years of using windows
[12:20] <Edgan> smouche: they do steal ideas from each other
[12:20] <membreya> smouche: I think the main point here is..OSX makes people happy in their pants :P
[12:20] <alterim> not quite sure what they are all about
[12:21] <holycow> and the gnome print dialog!!!!
[12:21] <DagaZ> help with cups please.. anyone??
[12:21] <holycow> haha oh i have been waiting for that for a while
[12:21] <SirFunk> have there been no updates to hoary since release?
[12:21] <smouche> membreya, if I could afford a mac, I'd already be happy in my pants.
[12:21] <Edgan> alterim: getting a virus or spyware is a lot easier than it used to be
[12:21] <membreya> smouche: we have a G4 at work .. I just sit there and minimise and maximise the windows :P
[12:21] <alterim> the whole virus and spyware thing is a no brainer
[12:22] <Edgan> holycow: 1.0.3 will be out soon, and 1.1 isn't that far away :)
[12:22] <smouche> alterim, er, that computer was acutally on-line at some point??
[12:22] <alterim> if you go to the dodgy part of town, then you're gonna get trouble
[12:22] <Edgan> alterim: The problem is most users have no brain. :)
[12:22] <St0n3-C0l> smouche: I disagree, If GNOME was going to steal the ideas of KDE...in this version they should provided with a cool menu editor
[12:22] <smouche> membreya, to tell you the truth, I really don't like the mac gui at all.
[12:22] <alterim> nor me smouche.. it's horrible
[12:23] <Edgan> St0n3-C0l: Last I heard they are working on one, but ripped out all menu editing support in 2.10 till they finish it
[12:23] <membreya> you're a fool smouche ..OSX is so friggin pretty it's not funny
[12:23] <holycow> Edgan, really? sweeet, for me using native dialogs is important
[12:23] <smouche> St0n3-C0l -- that might violate basic GNOME philosophy:
[12:23] <alterim> osx is the ugliest os ever in my opinion
[12:23] <alterim> even jeff raskin admitted that
[12:23] <St0n3-C0l> Edgan: they worked and KDE stole it..poor GNOME developers :P
[12:23] <smouche> Gnome = GuiNotOfferingMenuEditor
[12:23] <holycow> StoneTable, there is a menu editor for gnome
[12:23] <membreya> yes but you like winxp alterim so your opinion doesn't count
[12:23] <fejaor> my plugin searcher for firefox is still frozen....what can I do in order to get the appropiate Macromedia Plugin???
[12:23] <alterim> i've been using mac and win for over 10 years
[12:23] <holycow> StoneTable, go the the ubuntu help site and get info on how to install it
[12:23] <membreya> lol smouche
[12:23] <alterim> and more recently linux
[12:23] <holycow> hi alterim :)
[12:24] <membreya> alterim: that's no great accomplishment
[12:24] <smouche> membreya, you must just love the bouncing cursors in kde!  first damn thing I turn off!
[12:24] <St0n3-C0l> StoneTable ?
[12:24] <holycow> alterim, haha, well you can change the theme right?
[12:24] <membreya> never smouche !!! they amuse me :P
[12:24] <alterim> nor is telling me my opinion doesn't count cos i use winxp
[12:24] <alterim> winxp is a great os
[12:24] <St0n3-C0l> holycow: I've it installed but not working for me
[12:24] <fejaor> my plugin searcher for firefox is still frozen....what can I do in order to get the appropiate Macromedia Plugin???
[12:24] <Edgan> smouche: I dislike all the sound effects more.
[12:24] <holycow> St0n3-C0l, even :)
[12:24] <Kenneth2> Is it posible to use .deb files from Debian Sarge in Ubuntu?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> alterim: wow, so experienced!
[12:24] <alterim> experience means?
[12:24] <membreya> lol thoreauputic :P
[12:25] <alterim> i use the computer to produce music, play films, download stuff, www, etc
[12:25] <alterim> winxp let's me do all that
[12:25] <alterim> :(
[12:25] <holycow> St0n3-C0l, yeah its brand new, gnome 2.10 switche to the open desktop standard for menus, so they had to ditch the old stuff ... now kde and gnome will be able to have interchangeable menus, as soon as the standardization is completed (not sure what kde is doing on that end, i heard they also are doing same)
[12:25] <smouche> Edgan, God you're right, kde is going to get sued for that "breaking glass" error notification when somebody's granny has a heartattack!
[12:25] <FR500> alterim, i can do all that
[12:25] <alterim> haha FR500
[12:25] <FR500> all
[12:25] <thoreauputic> alterim: as long as you're happy, go for it
[12:25] <alterim> you produce music on linux?
[12:25] <Edgan> alterim: how about a web rerver, ftp server, etc for free
[12:25] <alterim> what with, rosegarden?!
[12:25] <alterim> ardour?!
[12:26] <FR500> i'll give you an url
[12:26] <FR500> wait a sec
[12:26] <alterim> Edgan: i use apache on xp
[12:26] <FR500> for producing music you said right?
[12:26] <holycow> alterim, so use xp, i don't see a problem
[12:26] <membreya> holycow: when I crossed over to kubuntu, all my gnome menu items were in my menus :P
[12:26] <alterim> if i was running a server then i'd definitely use linux
[12:26] <holycow> alterim, no one is asking you to use linux, moreover its free
[12:26] <Edgan> smouche: haha, I was using k3b on my laptop the other day around a client when it's finished burning horn sound went off, it was annoying.
[12:26] <holycow> alterim, secondly, i bet you didn't pay for a single app on xp to boot
[12:26] <alterim> correct!
[12:27] <thoreauputic> :/
[12:27] <holycow> membreya, really? oh so they did standardize? nice
[12:27] <smouche> alterim, I like XP too.  but I don't like how much I have to let my system slow down to accomodate virus scanning, and how much work it takes XP to stay clean and not get sluggish
[12:27] <alterim> even xp pro is downloaded
[12:27] <doko> Kenneth2: yes and no, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and enable 'universe'. that's a sarge/sid snapshot
[12:27] <yoni> how can i set which application should open a file (under gnome)
[12:27] <St0n3-C0l> my personal feeling is this that when KDE runs for bout 4-5 hours it starts hanging a bit and gets a bit slower....is the same thing every KDE user is feeling ?
[12:27] <yoni> ?
[12:27] <cj> why would emacs be telling me 'Undefined color: "black"' when I try to run it?
[12:27] <cikilin> i am very confused
[12:27] <smouche> Edgan, I think kubuntu should just use the ubuntu sounds; those are really nice
[12:27] <thoreauputic> alterim: you feel the need to tell us this?
[12:27] <membreya> xp has far too much memory leakage for my liking
[12:27] <cikilin> what it's linux?
[12:28] <alterim> well, someone asked dude
[12:28] <alterim> so no, not really
[12:28] <Edgan> St0n3-C0l: My experience is I tweak it the best I can to do exactly what I want, and then it gets buggy. Like the K Menu no longer automatically closing when it is set to
[12:28] <membreya> ooo, didn't realise that k3b automatically verifies MD5's for an ISO :P
[12:28] <St0n3-C0l> yoni: Right click that file and go in Properties
[12:28] <mainer> thoreauputic: how about security or xp's lack thereof:))
[12:28] <alterim> just think sometimes linux is about kde vs gnome and that's it
[12:28] <Edgan> membreya: yeah, though now some people are moving to sha1 sums
[12:29] <smouche> St0n3-C0l, it's very hard for me to judge performance, 'cause I'm still getting used to cpu throttling on this amd64 laptop
[12:29] <alterim> i don't understand the security thing
[12:29] <membreya> smouche: so disable it :P
[12:29] <St0n3-C0l> yoni : and then open with
[12:29] <thoreauputic> alterim: not really - the kde vs gnome thing is pretty much in the past
[12:29] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[12:29] <cj> anyone?  emacs21 is dying with 'Undefined color: "black"'... anyone seen this?
[12:29] <cikilin> can anybody help me?
[12:29] <cikilin> in privat?
[12:29] <smouche> membreya, I'm not complaining about it-- I like the quiet!
[12:29] <whiskey_1> well in my opinion...kde really needs scrolling menus
[12:29] <cj> buhler?  buhler?
[12:29] <dockane> i am totally annoyed: all i want to do is dos boot disk with a firmware image and a firmware flasher on it. could someone please take me by the hand ?
[12:29] <yoni> St0n3-C0l, thanks
[12:29] <Edgan> smouche: yeah, cpu throttling can be very annoying. Some apps don't seem to respond well to being switched to 500mhz
[12:29] <alterim> well.. what's the point in this hobbyist os
[12:29] <jordanau> hey this mentioning of XP getting sluggish, will ubuntu get sluggish over time??? If so, what is good ubuntu maintenance?
[12:29] <alterim> surely a computer is about it's applications
[12:29] <alterim> and using it to do a task
[12:30] <whiskey_1> kde tends to splatter menus all over the screen instead of making one long list of programs you can scroll down
[12:30] <membreya> Edgan: lowest my CPU hits is 1ghz ;)
[12:30] <alterim> with linux it feels like it's there to mess about with and customise and that's all
[12:30] <mainer> linux manages mem better,is mor stable,and if you know how to configure is wyy more secure,you can run a system ,your way for free is what i like
[12:30] <Edgan> smouche: I set cpuspeed to make the cpu go full speed any time there is ac
[12:30] <smouche> e
[12:30] <Anarklov3r> Hey people
[12:30] <smouche> oops
[12:30] <whiskey_1> but gnome doesn't have a working menueditor and that is not so good either
[12:30] <St0n3-C0l> cikilin: In private only one person will help you and in here different peoples will help u
[12:31] <St0n3-C0l> Ask the question.
[12:31] <Anarklov3r> i was here about 7 hours ago dunoo if any1 is still here but i got ubuntu up n running (as in downloaded) im runing the live version now before i install it
[12:31] <holycow> alterim correct! <-- rofl
[12:31] <Anarklov3r> but i get no sound. any help ?? or ideas??? i got a SB Audigy LS
[12:31] <smouche> Edgan, currently I can't get my power settings out of "user space" -- can't change what it's doing at all-- don't care that much, cause I have the speed on demand
[12:31] <holycow> alterim, if you didn't pay for your windows software you have no right to complain
[12:31] <thoreauputic> alterim: hmm... setting up a small network of thin clients from od machines and letting it be used by a community group seems a fairly useful thing to do - and for nothing
[12:31] <Edgan> Anarklov3r: You got a much better feel of ubuntu after installing it
[12:31] <alterim> no right to complain?
[12:31] <alterim> it's code
[12:31] <Anarklov3r> but will that solve my problem of sound not working?
[12:31] <holycow> alterim, when you actually spend 20k on all the crap you use, then you can come in here and complain that actually FREE stuff sucks
[12:31] <alterim> why would i use gimp when i can download photoshop cs for nothing
[12:32] <holycow> alterim, then don't, go use windows, why are you here?
[12:32] <ells> anyone familiar with dvd author
[12:32] <smouche> it seems to take a lot to get the cpu up near 2 gigs; it's usually at 798...
[12:32] <Edgan> smouche: Not sure you can get them out of user space. Just use one of the many daemons to control cpu speed
[12:32] <alterim> not sure
[12:32] <St0n3-C0l> Edgan: It's my feeling KDE utilizes your RAM more :P
[12:32] <whiskey_1> alterim, well you know we don't care if you think winxp is better...it costs a lot more money
[12:32] <alterim> wanted a rant about linux
[12:32] <holycow> can we get a kick ban please?
[12:32] <Kenneth2> alterim, Because Gimp is better??
[12:32] <holycow> alterim, you won't get one
[12:32] <Edgan> St0n3-C0l: I always have at least 512mb if not 1gb, so I don't worry about ram.
[12:32] <holycow> alterim, we don't give a rats *bleeP* if you use it or not
[12:32] <thoreauputic> alterim: priced windows terminal server or citrix lately?
[12:32] <alterim> l33t 'we'
[12:32] <smouche> Edgan, I'll have to investigate that when I have a chance; not crucial right now.  Setting things through the gui isn't working...
[12:32] <dockane> i did a 'dd if=afdbd.ima of=/dev/fd0' and copied my firmware files to is. why do my firmware files do not appear after booting from this disk =
[12:32] <alterim> thor eh?
[12:33] <holycow> alterim, nor do we care if you like it or not
[12:33] <membreya> alterim: you know, if you were truly security concious, you wouldn't have your ip advertised..you do know that MS, Adobe and the like have software piracy reporting channels? :P
[12:33] <dockane> *?
[12:33] <Kenneth2> alterim, I would be delighted to pay twice the amount of money for Ubuntu.
[12:33] <St0n3-C0l> Edgan: Like now GNOME is using 162MB whereas KDE used above 200MB of my 256mb
[12:33] <jordanau> alterim, troll
[12:33] <Anarklov3r> will that solve my problem of sound not working? if i install it instead of running live? or do i need to get drivers?
[12:33] <holycow> can we just ban the troll please?
[12:33] <alterim> well i been using em for long enough and had no problems!
[12:33] <dockane> btw its a boot disk image from freedos.org
[12:33] <alterim> i didn't pay for winxp i downloaded it!
[12:33] <thoreauputic> alterim: you seem blissfully unaware of the socially useful applications of Linux
[12:33] <whiskey_1> alterim, don't let MS find out...they will come after you
[12:34] <alterim> thor, how is that?
[12:34] <smouche> issue with kde for me in a number of places:  the (buggy?) guis sometimes just don't let me do stuff they're meant to, while sudo in cli does...
[12:34] <holycow> guys, just stop talking to him please
[12:34] <alterim> when i just stated i'd use linux for a server
[12:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: I explained one of them above
[12:34] <holycow> he's clearly trolly, someone get an op to ban him
[12:34] <Anarklov3r> ur only encouraging him... stop talking to IT
[12:34] <ells> anyone familiar with dvd author
[12:34] <Anarklov3r> lol
[12:34] <alterim> and if i had no interest in music production i'd use it also
[12:34] <thoreauputic> alterim: it allows many people to have a workable computer system
[12:34] <holycow> no seriously please stop talking to him, this isn't a discussion, he just wans to get you guys going
[12:35] <jordanau> my favorite part about trolls is when they suddenly sign off
[12:35] <alterim> haha. very amusing the way you all gang up like kids
[12:35] <alterim> i don't wanna get anyone going man
[12:35] <alterim> i just wanted a rant about ubuntu and how 'it just doesn't work'
[12:35] <holycow> see there he goes, just dont respond if no op is around
[12:35] <Kenneth2> alterim, if you are happy with winxp, then why dont you /part #ubuntu?
[12:36] <alterim> well, i just think that you lot ought to get out more...
[12:36] <alterim> that's all
[12:36] <ells> any takers on a dvdauthor error
[12:36] <thoreauputic> alterim: the fact you didn't get it to work doesn't mean it doesn't work
[12:36] <jordanau> alterim, do you have a question? can we help you with something?
[12:36] <holycow> jordanau, c'mon, trolls are like advertising, you ignore them and they go away
[12:37] <expose_> hi guys.
[12:37] <expose_> which init system do you use?
[12:37] <Anarklov3r> Can any1 with experience with Ubuntu PM me. I need a bit of help
[12:37] <ells> any takers on a dvdauthor error
[12:37] <expose_> (you == ubuntu live cd)
[12:37] <jordanau> holycow, i know, but they entertain me :D
[12:37] <jordanau> Anarklov3r, whats up
[12:37] <holycow> jordanau, lol :)
[12:37] <alterim> alright i'm off
[12:38] <smouche> we noticed that a while ago
[12:38] <alterim> sorry my ubuntu experience wasn't particularly good. at least i tried linux
[12:38] <whiskey_1> alterim, there is no where to go...everywhere costs money
[12:38] <membreya> email sent to Microsoft :) hope they follow it up alterim :)
[12:38] <ells> any takers on a dvdauthor error
[12:38] <jordanau> alterim, try again in a little while
[12:39] <whiskey_1> alterim, we don't need to get out...because everywhere you go costs money...even if just for gasoline to get there
[12:39] <dockane> can somebody please help with my bootfloppy ?
[12:39] <ells> anyone here able to help me with my dvdauthor issue
[12:39] <alterim> alright well, so long
[12:40] <alterim> oh hang on here's a cocky linux-user smiley: ;)
[12:40] <smouche> linux almost didn't let me get out of the house this morning.  took me 45 minutes to fix something (with thoreauputic 's help) but it was educational...
[12:40] <Enkidu> hey everyone
[12:40] <jordanau> ells, sorry you aren't getting much help if i knew anything i would try :)
[12:40] <jordanau> Enkidu, hi
[12:40] <ells> joranau: yeap, just trying to be patient
[12:41] <jaku> hi, the calendar in thunderbird or firefox doesn't work.. do you know why?
[12:41] <alterim> cos it's open source!
[12:41] <ice_1963> fluxbox is ok would like to try
[12:41] <fando> is there an apt bot here?
[12:41] <Smee> hello, anyone got the time to answer some questions?
[12:41] <Amaranth> fando: No.
[12:41] <thoreauputic> no we just have an alterim bot
[12:41] <ells> anybody here have any knowledge using dvdauthor
[12:41] <talash> hello again
[12:42] <Amaranth> No one ever used the bot I had here, so I got rid of it.
[12:42] <smouche> hah, kaffeine is a funny media player -- freaks me out how it pauses when I switch desktops-- forgot a dvd was trying to run!
[12:42] <Enkidu> how do i register a username with a password on IRC?
[12:42] <holycow> lol what a retard
[12:42] <fando> oh, well I'd like to try ubuntu, will upgrade from current debian testing, but have to store ISO on HD (no CD writer)
[12:42] <holycow> there is nothing worse than a windows thief complaining about linux
[12:42] <Amaranth> Enkidu: /msg NickServ HELP
[12:42] <Ironfrost> Enkidu - type /msg nickserv help
[12:42] <fando> where can I find docs for that type of install?
[12:42] <Ironfrost> bah, I am defeated
[12:42] <talash> no luck with setting up printing to the printer attached to my windoze machine from ubuntu
[12:42] <Anarklov3r> */msg NickServ (pass) (email)
[12:42] <ice_1963> lol
[12:43] <ells> anyone here able to help me with my dvdauthor issue
[12:43] <talash> I can see the files now; printing setup seems to be pretty straightforward. but just doesn't work
[12:43] <thoreauputic> holycow: he was in here complaining for hours the other day
[12:43] <holycow> thoreauputic, about anything specific? or just too lazy to google?
[12:43] <talash> anyone who can help with that?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> holycow: he couldn't get mplayer and xine working
[12:44] <fando> oh duh, just use netboot
[12:44] <smouche> Why isn't dma turned on for dvd players by default?  is there a drawback to using it?
[12:44] <fando> hm... do i have to backup my system before installing ubuntu?
[12:44] <ells> thoreauputic: do you have any experience with dvdauthor
[12:44] <Anarklov3r> do bears piss in the woods?
[12:44] <Ironfrost> fando - I would recommend it
[12:44] <fando> i have a partition it can use
[12:44] <thoreauputic> holycow: and when we helped him to get it going he complained about not being able to join his videos
[12:44] <Ironfrost> back up to DVD (or CDR or whatever) as well
[12:45] <Ironfrost> just in case
[12:45] <Smee> is it possible to install ubuntu on the same hd as winXP without having to delete/format the whole partition? like, when I start up my computer I can decide on winxp/ubuntu?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> ells: sory, no
[12:45] <fando> gah... need CD writer :(
[12:45] <holycow> thoreauputic, heh, just so that you know my anti troll suggestion up there really are geared toward keeping certain individuals on windows
[12:45] <Ironfrost> Smee - yes, but you need a tool like PartitionMagic
[12:45] <fando> thanks, I'll head to fry's
[12:45] <holycow> thoreauputic, there are some people that we really don't want on linux, particularly the warez kids
[12:45] <ells> thoreauputic: no problem. just so close to making my dvd issue workable
[12:45] <smouche> Smee, it sounds like you would be a candidate for BeOs personal edition.   That's exactly what it does
[12:45] <holycow> thoreauputic, not surprisingly, yet he never paid for any of his commercial windows software, heh
[12:46] <thoreauputic> holycow: I asked him at one point if he was always so abrasive, and asked him if it made his life difficult - he didn't seem to see the point
[12:46] <smouche> unfortunately, BeOs is dead, though people still use it and are trying to open-source clone it
[12:46] <niran> Smee, Ironfrost, I thing parted supports resizing ntfs now, so if you apt-get install gparted on a live cd and partition the disk, it should work
[12:46] <niran> i'd definitely back up my data first.
[12:46] <holycow> thoreauputic, i can totally see that
[12:47] <Smee> hmmm
[12:47] <Ironfrost> niran - cool. I didn't think it could do that without losing all the data
[12:47] <Smee> I'll check it out later. thanks for answering guys. bye
[12:47] <freebug> hello, Does anybody made nForce audio driver work with 5.04 ?
[12:48] <kkathman> Question:  Logged in under my name, I move a file from one place to my public files...the permissions are -rwxr--r--, but if I open up Open office and write a word processing  document to that same directory, the permissions are rw-r--r--.  Why is there a difference?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> holycow: he expected and demanded total attentin to *his* problems, and panned the help he was getting
[12:48] <smouche> freeburg, I think that's what I'm using, anyway, it's an nVidia audio on my laptop - worked out of the box, beautifully
[12:49] <thoreauputic> holycow: anyway, that's enough - hopefully he'll stay away now
[12:49] <holycow> thoreauputic, haha ! really? k. thx was curious
[12:50] <thoreauputic> holycow: "this is the worst help channel...etc.etc  ad nauseam :)
[12:50] <stevenj> is anyone had this issue with xchat - (hoary clean install) I click on xchat in applications --> internet --> xchat then xchat automatically connects to the server without even clicking connect...then if I click connect it opens another freenode tab? thanks
[12:51] <smouche> stevenj, are you sure you didn't accidentally enable "skip server list at startup"?
[12:51] <kkathman> stevenj: havent had that problem no :)
[12:51] <MaxeyPad> what is needed to upgrade warty to hoary
[12:51] <stevenj> smouche, I made sure of that and I did not I will now go back and double check it
[12:52] <freebug> smouche, Did you modify modules.d ?
[12:52] <smouche> freebug, uh no, I don't know what that is, actually (eternal newbie here)
[12:54] <freebug> ok, thanks anyway. I just downloaded the driver from nvidia, and compile it, but the tutorial talk about distributions like Mandrake, and that's why I can't finish the work. Any body else can help me ?
[12:54] <stevenj> thanks...I did check the box you said; however, I did check the same box in the edit screen...strange two boxes do the same thing...well I'm learning thanks
[12:54] <ells> anyone here got any experience with dvdauthor
[12:56] <holycow> not me ells sorry :/
[12:56] <ells> holycow: cool, thanks anyway
[12:57] <ells> holycow: trying to merge my directory from a dvd with a compressed vob file
[12:57] <cbo> hello all! please someone could give some advice on enabling dma on the cdrom?
[12:57] <stevenj> the question I wanted to really ask someone (trivial actually)-I replaced the splash screen with my own; however, it displays some "ugly" icons...is this dependant on the theme or icons...I have changed both and its does not affect the icons  thanks if anyone has time
[12:57] <ells> cbo: it is dparm -d1 /media/cdrom0 (location)
[12:57] <] BreliC[> hey everyone.. is anyone here runnning a logitech quickcam with ubuntu 2.6.10?
[12:57] <anarklov3r> Hey ppl im back
[12:58] <cbo> ells: but it will survive a reboot?
[12:58] <] BreliC[> i was able to run it on 2.4.22, 2.6.4 (SUSE9) but not since then (Suse 9.1, 9,2, FC3, Ubuntu)
[12:58] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I do not but I plan to are you having issues?
[12:58] <ells> cbo: nope
[12:58] <xulin> how to select a sound card using hoary ?
[12:58] <cikilin> is anybody using dcgui-qt?
[12:58] <] BreliC[> stevenj, yup.. won't work
[12:58] <ells> cbo: there is a hdpar.conf file
[12:58] <ells> hdparm
[12:58] <] BreliC[> stevenj, the guy who was developing the drivers for it gave up and it is no longer included in the kernel because they are closed and proprietary
[12:59] <tolstoy-> anyone else have X freeze up every now and then?
[12:59] <cbo> ells: it has a commented cdrom config with dma, do i have to just uncomment it and reboot?
[12:59] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I was just about to say that...I love linux (little I know about it) but I have ran into that myself
[12:59] <Poprocks> hey -- does anyone here know why Yelp has switched to Gecko without even the option of building with GtkHtml??
[01:00] <tolstoy-> I can recover only via /etc/init.d/gdm restart, which of course kills all X apps currently running
[01:00] <ells> cbo: not sure of that exactly, but dma should be listed as on
[01:00] <freebug> Anybody can tell me, what file use ubuntu to load modules in the startup proces... I need to disable a couple.
[01:00] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I plan on playing around with later tonight-the cam..if I make it work I'll let you know
[01:00] <ells> cbo: that would make sense though
[01:00] <] BreliC[> stevenj, great, thanks.  here's the original maintainer of the driver and the current situation http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~tuukkat/quickcam/quickcam.html
[01:00] <lucychili> morning folks
[01:00] <tolstoy-> i don't even know what to search on at ubuntu bugzilla
[01:01] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, thanks....I'll check it out
[01:01] <cbo> ells: i'll try, thanks
[01:01] <ells> cbo: no problem
[01:01] <] BreliC[> stevenj, for some reason, it compiles fine on early 2.6.x releases, but not on the newer ones.  at least not for me
[01:01] <thoreauputic> morning lucychili
[01:02] <jcole> hi all
[01:02] <jcole> i'm trying to change the kernel on the ubuntu live cd
[01:02] <lucychili> greets thor. im just lurking and learning
[01:02] <jcole> and am having a bit of trouble
[01:02] <FR500> has anyone succeded on updating mono to 1.1.6?
[01:02] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-863.html  --- interesting thread
[01:03] <thoreauputic> lucychili: there was a guy in here a while ago who would have profited from learning about your project as an antidote to the "linux is for hobbyists" attitude
[01:03] <lucychili> i scrolled back
[01:03] <jcole> what is a .udeb file
[01:03] <chromate> hi all... i'm looking for flexible calendar/appointment managers besides evolution
[01:03] <lucychili> i dont think he was in the state of mind to take community benefuit on board
[01:04] <thotypous> hi
[01:04] <jcole> chromate: gedit
[01:04] <chromate> jcole :)
[01:04] <] BreliC[> stevenj, thanks.  reading it now
[01:04] <idn__> hey, does anyone know if there is a gnome menu editor in the hoary repositories?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> lucychili: I doubt he ever is, judging by his behaviour in this channel over the past few days :/
[01:05] <lucychili> chromate ive had a small look at this but we are just at the beginning of a similar search http://www.phprojekt.com/
[01:05] <stevenj> idn__, I think the unofficialubuntu hoary guide tells you how
[01:06] <lucychili> chromate that one is for team project calendar ness - not sure if youe just after an individual one
[01:06] <fallstorm> I've actually found yahoo calendar to not be too bad if you're looking for an individual calendar solution
[01:07] <fallstorm> Mozilla has something going as well
[01:07] <chromate> lucychili: yeah i'm taking a look at it, its kind of oriented at team works
[01:07] <lucychili> yep
[01:07] <chromate> fallstorm: i'll take a look at those, thanks. i don't use mozilla suite though
[01:07] <fallstorm> I think it works with firefox, not sure though.
[01:08] <fallstorm> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
[01:08] <fallstorm> works with firefox and tbird
[01:08] <fallstorm> and actually standalone as well
[01:08] <zxc> how do I downloaded the stuff which allows you to play .mp3 etc?
[01:08] <icebalm> read the wiki
[01:09] <whiteknight> zxc, does the modem work?
[01:09] <fallstorm> we need a bot that gives people the RestrictedFormats url whenever they say the word mp3
[01:09] <fallstorm> :P
[01:09] <zxc> yes! I queried you whitenight, can't have worked. Not used to x-chat
[01:09] <whiteknight> zxc, cool, that was easy
[01:09] <idn__> gnome menu editor anyone?
[01:10] <icebalm> idn__: huh?
[01:10] <idn__> just a bit annoyed i cant add or remove apps right now
[01:10] <zxc> heh, thanks a lot I couldn't have done it without you whitenight
[01:10] <icebalm> idn__: so dont use gnome
[01:10] <zxc> how do you query in x-chat whitenight?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> zxc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  << mp3s etc
[01:10] <whiteknight> zxc, no worries -> community :)
[01:10] <idn__> from the gnome panel
[01:10] <idn__> lol, thanks dude
[01:10] <smo> sshd doesn't appear to honor ~/.hushlogin anymore - where would I start looking to fix that?
[01:10] <stevenj> idn__, did you check the ubuntu guide?
[01:10] <whiteknight> zxc, i recommend you look at http://ubuntuguide.org/ now
[01:11] <whiteknight> zxc, has all the normal questions asked :), as for querying don't know
[01:11] <zxc> ah yes I forgot about that as it isn't relevant to installing. I'll read again, thanks again whitenight :c)
[01:11] <ells> what program out there burns iso images
[01:11] <ells> or makes them
[01:11] <whiteknight> zxc, just glad to get you off windows :)
[01:12] <idn__> yeah i had a look, couldnt see anything really, there is a thread about a .deb package you can get in the forums, but I was wondering if there is anything in the repositories
[01:12] <thoreauputic> ells: gnomebaker
[01:12] <thoreauputic> ells: there are others
[01:12] <ells> thanks
[01:12] <chromate> i wish gmail would add a calendar :)
[01:12] <jordanau> any any periodic maintanance i should do on my ubuntu box???
[01:13] <fallstorm> Hmm... gcal
[01:13] <fallstorm> That would be neat
[01:13] <icebalm> chromate: why?
[01:13] <ells> thoreauputic: does it make iso images, not only burn them
[01:13] <thoreauputic> jordanau: most stuff is handled automatically by cron daily
[01:13] <chromate> icebalm: because i just want a web interface to manage everything
[01:13] <] BreliC[> ells, k3b too if you have the kde portion of ubuntu installed
[01:14] <icebalm> chromate: odd, I want a GL interface to manage everything
[01:14] <thoreauputic> ells: not sure what you mean - mkisofs is the thing that makes ISOs
[01:14] <ells> trying to make an iso of a dvd file
[01:14] <jordanau> thoreauputic, wow nothing to do?? i guess i am still used to windows, i feel like i should be virus scanning or defragging or removing spyware
[01:14] <ells> thoerauputic, having an issue with syntax
[01:14] <thoreauputic> jordanau: defragging isn't necessary 99.9% of the time - the file system design is efficient
[01:14] <whiteknight> jordanau, soon you'll be able to update to the lastest version of ubuntu
[01:15] <icebalm> jordanau: spywhat?
[01:15] <whiteknight> jordanau, that keeps me interested
[01:15] <JStrike> What is the package called that themes QT apps to use the Gtk theme?
[01:15] <jordanau> iceaxe18, haha
[01:15] <jordanau> icebalm, haha
[01:15] <jordanau> whiteknight, you mean breezy?
[01:15] <holycow> jordanau, i remember that stage
[01:15] <whiteknight> jordanau, yup
[01:16] <holycow> the part where you feel 'naked' without symantec or something like that
[01:16] <jordanau> i also feel bad no turning off my computer
[01:16] <samuel> hello all
[01:16] <jordanau> yeah
[01:16] <stpere> hey sam
[01:16] <samuel> anyone know please how to print to pdf from mozilla?
[01:16] <] BreliC[> jordanau, but you have to add the cron.dailies to the root crontab, n'est-ce pas?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> jordanau: heh - I hate rebooting: i have this silly desire to break my uptime records :)
[01:17] <debrihmi> does anyone know know i can keep the cd drive spinning while in my ubuntu session so i can have quick access?
[01:17] <holycow> smauel i don't think you can do it directly thats a weird request anyway, save file, or print to file and use open office to generate the pdf
[01:17] <holycow> samuel, that would be the more correct way of doing that
[01:18] <zxc> any idea how to boot winxp by deafault whitenight?
[01:18] <zxc> *default
[01:18] <icebalm> debrihmi: that's a good way to destroy CDs
[01:18] <whiteknight> zxc, lilo or grub?
[01:18] <holycow> zxc, change the config settings for grub
[01:18] <whiteknight> zxc, i'm on ppc so its totally different
[01:18] <holycow> zxc, /etc/grub ... just change the order they come in
[01:18] <] BreliC[> zxc edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[01:18] <samuel> holycow, i know to do that, but its not for me, and believe me some ppl are thick - thats TOO hard
[01:18] <JStrike> Doesn't mozilla use the gnome-print dialog? If so, just print to pdf from there
[01:19] <zxc> thanks :c)
[01:19] <debrihmi> icebalm, i didn't know that could damage the drive / cd..
[01:19] <samuel> holycow, i found a cups-pdf package and xprint.org package but neither of them works
[01:19] <holycow> samuel, well, i don't think there is an auto way, unless someone wrote and extension and a plugin for that
[01:20] <icebalm> samuel: you can print to a postscript file, you should be able to convert a .ps to .pdf rather easily
[01:20] <zxc> ] brelic[, as a n00b how do I edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:20] <whiteknight> funny the way that internet access is so vital these days, i remember computers with out any access..
[01:20] <thoreauputic> holycow: konqeror can print to pdf (or rather, the kde system has an option to print to pdf)
[01:20] <holycow> samuel, i must say that it's a pretty cool idea tho
[01:20] <holycow> thoreauputic, really? nice! didn't know that
[01:20] <] BreliC[> zxc, use 'sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[01:20] <JStrike> There seems to be a package to theme Gtk apps to look like QT apps, but not vice-versa
[01:20] <JStrike> Odd
[01:21] <samuel> holycow, i used to do it on debian with xprint - it was really easy - files would be named by the time they were printed in
[01:21] <subterrific> JStrike: i agree that does seem very odd
[01:21] <icebalm> debrihmi: constantly spinning a CD at48x, 52x+ will eventually warp it, possibly cause the cd to lose physical integrity and shatter inside the drive, in which case you've just hosed both
[01:21] <holycow> samuel, really? not sure actually, i've never done that
[01:21] <samuel> icebalm, thanks, but i really am looking for a VERY easy solution
[01:21] <JStrike> holycow : All gnome apps cn print to pdf as well
[01:22] <holycow> samuel, i just noticed that firefox now uses gnome dialogs, maybe theres son integration issues there with whatever xprint was using to print out pdf's
[01:22] <icebalm> samuel: ok, here it is: print to the postscript file, then rename *.ps to *.pdf, DONE
[01:22] <holycow> JStrike, really? *hmmm* thats neat
[01:22] <debrihmi> icebalm, well so much for THAT tweak...  lol...
[01:22] <fallstorm> You could just mount the ISO and access it from your drive, if you really need every fraction of a second
[01:22] <imperfect-> Howdy
[01:22] <fallstorm> (And you have 600mb or so to spare on your hard drive)
[01:23] <samuel> icebalm, dude - i told you - thanks but they will have forgotten that in 2 days
[01:23] <JStrike> samuel : Epiphany will probably use the gnome print dialog, so that should print the web page to pdf
[01:23] <samuel> and im going to get complaints about how much harder it is now.....
[01:23] <samuel> etc etc etc
[01:23] <zxc> It's come up with a list of instructions ] brelic[ but I don't know how to edit it :/
[01:23] <icebalm> samuel: you can't get any easier than that
[01:23] <debrihmi> fallstorm, thanks..
[01:23] <] BreliC[> zxc near the top of the file, there should be a variable 'default=0'.  change the 0 to whichever number your windows booter is in the list (e.g. if you have three boot options, Ubuntu, Ubuntu-Recover, Win XP, then you would put 2)
[01:24] <] BreliC[> zxc, hit the 'a' key to enter edit mode... make your changes.  when you're done, hit ESC, then SHIFT+ZZ to exit and save changes
[01:24] <idn_1> hi i seem to be having trouble with my theme in applications that require me to log in as root, it just defaults to the normal gnome theme, any explanation?
[01:24] <samuel> icebalm, not much you cant... but if there is one thing that should never seize to amaze is the stupidity of some ppl
[01:25] <] BreliC[> zxc, so 0 is the first option in the list, 1 is the second, and so on
[01:25] <zxc> ] brelic[ anyway to display the boot options and their repsective numbers?
[01:25] <icebalm> samuel: I work tech support for a large multinational company you would instantly recognize, I know all about stupidity
[01:25] <icebalm> samuel: if it's really that much of a problem, go back to windows
[01:25] <holycow> I know all about stupidity  <-- rofl
[01:26] <] BreliC[> zxc, hmm, not their numbers.... all the boot configurations are way at the bottom of the file (use the up and down arrow keys)
[01:26] <stevenj> if there are some networking experts here-please advise.  I am using comcast cable and I have firestarter automat in my session-seems I am getting "pounded" with reds...someone advise me on setting up ICMP (if this will help) all I use my box for is simple internet browsing etc..school work, no games, gaim, xchat, email and thats it. thanks
[01:26] <thoreauputic> samuel: I wonder if you could script to pipe the ps output through ps2pdf?
[01:26] <holycow> samuel, maybe if its not possible now, it might be possible if you track down the dd's that made it work on debian?
[01:26] <holycow> samuel, it really is a good idea
[01:27] <] BreliC[> zxc, the boot options start after ## ## END DEFAULT OPTIONS ## ##
[01:27] <samuel> icebalm, fair enough
[01:27] <] BreliC[> zxc, and they are in order (the first one is 0, the next one is 1, etc)
[01:27] <icebalm> stevenj: I'm a networking expert, I don't know what firestarter is, nor what a "red" is, as for setting up ICMP, it's not something that you need, should or have to set up.
[01:27] <Aps> hey is there a source I can add to my apt-sources to apt-get fluxbox?
[01:27] <samuel> holycow, thanks
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Aps: universe I expect
[01:28] <] BreliC[> anyone here tried enlightenment e17?
[01:28] <] BreliC[> looks pretty sweet
[01:28] <imperfect-> I'm having one hell of a time getting xorg configured.
[01:28] <rbrt> ] BreliC[, it is :)
[01:28] <Mazaev> Anyone here using nforce2 SPDIF? For some reason I don't get any right channel output
[01:28] <imperfect-> Is there any other way besides dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[01:28] <rbrt> ] BreliC[, just tried it a short period of time, though.
[01:28] <] BreliC[> rbrt, oh yeah?  is it still quick, or become bogged down?
[01:29] <rbrt> it seemed pretty quick when I tried it
[01:29] <mainer> stevenj: if they're being logged,they're being blocked,and no even if tru-stealth people will still try to ping others,but in prefernces>icmp check the box thatenables icmp filtering at top=left,leave all others unchecked,o.k.
[01:29] <rbrt> a couple of weeks ago.
[01:29] <] BreliC[> nice
[01:29] <stevenj> icebalm, firestarter is a gui "front end" for iptables
[01:29] <] BreliC[> zxc, any luck?
[01:29] <icebalm> stevenj: I see
[01:29] <solarce> How can I regress the version of firefox I have installed?
[01:30] <ekwinix> hey guys. when i boot up i get sound. when i play an mp3 in xmms though, it hangs and no sound comes out. Anyone have any idea's?
[01:30] <imperfect-> I wonder if I should be using the linux-restricted-modules for my nvidia card
[01:30] <kangpeh> damn
[01:30] <kangpeh> legends is pretty fun
[01:30] <icebalm> stevenj: so what's a "red", inquiring minds want to know
[01:30] <goldfish> ekwinix: in settings somewhere u gotta change the output sound to alsa i think
[01:30] <Ironfrost> ekwinix - Ubuntu doesn't play MP3s out-of-the-box
[01:30] <JStrike> Seems I am going to have to deal with an ugly assed app
[01:31] <kangpeh> ubuntu rocks
[01:31] <Ironfrost> try running a WAV file and see what happens
[01:31] <stevenj> mainer, thanks I enabled ICMP---leave everything else alone you say?
[01:31] <cikilin> i cant install xp on a hard where i had installed ubuntu.why?
[01:31] <stevenj> icebalm, events that are "serious" are red and "not serious" are black
[01:32] <] BreliC[> so does that mean Microsoft has bought a MP3 licence to be able to play out of the box?
[01:32] <ekwinix> goldfish: i tried alsa. didnt work. gave error message.
[01:32] <MikeA> where do I get "make-kpkg" from?
[01:32] <ekwinix> currently using OSS driver - that hangs.
[01:32] <goldfish> ah
[01:33] <] BreliC[> i respect what Ubuntu is doing by leaving out yet making it easy for the user to get mp3 and video support.. but what suse has been doing since 9.1 and now supposedly really crippling the multimedia in 9.3, well, that's just annoying
[01:33] <ekwinix> mpeg layers 1/2/3 are installed - so mp3 should work
[01:33] <MikeA> found it, nm
[01:33] <icebalm> stevenj: looking at firestarters website it seems as if they flag a lot of crap as "serious" when it really shouldn't be
[01:33] <ekwinix> what do i do next?
[01:34] <] BreliC[> zxc??  Were you able to edit the file properly?
[01:34] <zxc_> no, it didn't work
[01:34] <zxc_> just came up with the same screen with ubuntu highlighted
[01:34] <zxc_> I must have done something wrong
[01:35] <ekwinix> bah. sa'll good. i can play it in xine. i have to trouble shoot xmms. thanks guys.
[01:35] <zxc_> was it vim /etc/grub/list.lrl?
[01:36] <] BreliC[> zxc_, no, it was 'sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[01:36] <] BreliC[> zxc_, how many options do you have in the boot menu, and which number is Windows?
[01:36] <MrNonchalant> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:36] <MrNonchalant> :P
[01:36] <stevenj> anyone have a faq or guide that explains what ports to block on ubuntu hoary install thanks
[01:37] <stevenj> url
[01:37] <] BreliC[> MrNonchalant, heh, yeah, sure that works too
[01:37] <zxc_> # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
[01:37] <zxc_> # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
[01:37] <zxc_> default         5
[01:37] <zxc_> that's what I changed
[01:37] <zxc_> ] brelic[
[01:37] <imperfect-> Has anyone setup a PCIexpress video card with xorg before?
[01:37] <imperfect-> Cuz I"m having one hell of a time getting it to work -- Nvidia
[01:37] <plagerism> I changed my ram configuration on my system to dual channel, and now when I do some things like ps -ef the process doesnt end correctly, just haults in the middle.  any ideas why this would happen??
[01:37] <CheeseBall> nope
[01:37] <pvh> gam_server is regularly going crazy and eating 100% of my CPU. what can I do to stop that?
[01:37] <chromate> does anybody know of a repository that includes mozilla sunbird?
[01:38] <CheeseBall> chromate, just DL it from their site
[01:38] <CheeseBall> it'll be the most up to date
[01:38] <CheeseBall> and both of em you dont even have to install anything
[01:39] <chromate> CheeseBall: tried that, their version segfaults
[01:39] <] BreliC[> zxc_, well, you can manually add it above the first Ubuntu entry in the boot options
[01:40] <] BreliC[> as MrNonchalant said, you can use 'sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst' which will be easier than vim to use
[01:41] <imperfect-> man this is really pissing me off
[01:41] <membreya> thoreauputic: I'm back online :P
[01:41] <MrNonchalant> *coughalotbettercoungh*
[01:42] <] BreliC[> zxc_, can you paste your menu.lst file in a private message to me?, or on pastebin.com?
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for this
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for is
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for really
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for pissing
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for me
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> No manual entry for off
[01:42] <MrNonchalant> nope, not there imperfect
[01:42] <] BreliC[> lol
[01:43] <imperfect-> MrNonchalant : I've got a system that I can't get configured for Xorg. It shouldn't be rocket science, yet it somehow is.
[01:43] <imperfect-> MrNonchalant : It's really pissing me off.
[01:43] <pvh> imperfect-: actually, rocket science is easy
[01:43] <MrNonchalant> ah, k
[01:43] <] BreliC[> anyone here know Marx's Theses on Feuerbach really well??
[01:43] <imperfect-> pvh: apparently.
[01:43] <anarklov3r> Hey ppl i just installed ubuntu but lilo took over my MBR and i cant get into windows!!! helpppp how do i uninstall it???
[01:44] <mainer> fdisk /mbr
[01:44] <Xappe> hmm, lilo? doesn't ubuntu use grub?
[01:44] <lucychili> anarklov3r: ubunto uses grub not lilo.
[01:44] <] BreliC[> thought so too
[01:44] <anarklov3r> well it installed lilo!!!
[01:44] <mainer> wipes the mbr for windows,grub is easy to configure
[01:44] <anarklov3r> it says it whike booting
[01:44] <mainer> haven't used lilo in years
[01:44] <Xappe> anarklov3r: you don't have to remove it, just add a line for the windows install
[01:44] <anarklov3r> well how would i instal "grub"
[01:45] <anarklov3r> how wouldi add that??? PM me please
[01:45] <lucychili> anarklov3r: that sounds a little weird but i'll take your word for it :-)
[01:45] <mainer> it should be installed
[01:45] <Xappe> anarklov3r: i don't know how in lilo
[01:45] <mainer> the grub menu is hidden by default
[01:45] <Xappe> but someone else probably does
[01:45] <wibo> hey all, i want to compile sometime, how i do that?
[01:46] <anarklov3r> well how would i uninstall liloo and install grub? can sum1 pm me
[01:46] <Jimbob> ] BreliC[: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/theses.htm
[01:46] <solarce> Does anyone know how I can revert firefox to an early version using apt-get?
[01:47] <] BreliC[> Jimbob, thanks ;)
[01:47] <wibo> hey all, i want to compile sometime, how i do that?
[01:47] <anarklov3r> any1? :(:(
[01:47] <stevenj> I guess I really to mean to ask how to "tweak" ubuntu startup services
[01:47] <] BreliC[> just writing on essay on it, and i'm at a loss
[01:47] <Jimbob> ] BreliC[: Ahh
[01:47] <anarklov3r>  with fdisk /mbr, wouldnt that mean i cant boot ubuntu anymore?
[01:48] <imperfect-> The goddamn nvidia driver is saying that my requested resolution of 1600x1200 is larger than the BIOS stored version
[01:48] <Xappe> anarklov3r: no, that reinstalls the windows boot loader
[01:48] <imperfect-> *this* is why the general public doesn't use linux -- cuz it's always broken and always a pain in the ass.
[01:48] <anarklov3r> then how would i get back into ubuntu?
[01:48] <Ironfrost> that's half the fun
[01:48] <pvh> imperfect-: have you been a computer user long?
[01:48] <anarklov3r> edit the boot loaded?
[01:48] <pvh> imperfect-: because it wasn't very long ago that windows was the same way
[01:48] <imperfect-> pvh: I've been using linux for 10 years ;)
[01:48] <stevenj> imperfect-, whats the advantage to loading the nvidia driver anyway...do you play games?
[01:48] <pvh> imperfect-: that would explain it
[01:48] <imperfect-> pvh: and im ready to throw this motherfucker out the window
[01:49] <Xappe> anarklov3r: as I said, you should add a line for your windows install in you lilo or grub menu
[01:49] <pvh> imperfect-: i know how you feel
[01:49] <imperfect-> stevenj: hell if I know, that's what's autodetected.
[01:49] <pvh> imperfect-: the worst thing is that you have no big company to direct abuse at
[01:49] <pvh> imperfect-: unless you count nvidia?
[01:49] <mainer> anarklov3r: www.ubuntuguide.org    http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[01:49] <anarklov3r> yes i know.. but how? when my pc boots all it says is lili x.x.x (version <<) and then LAODING LINUX
[01:49] <anarklov3r> nothing else
[01:49] <imperfect-> I even installed the restricted drivers
[01:49] <imperfect-> i just want it to work =)
[01:49] <imperfect-> I said to myself over the weekend
[01:49] <pvh> imperfect-: don't they provide linux support? i was amazed that when i called netgear the other day they gave me lnux support
[01:50] <imperfect-> I need to really support open source by using it at home
[01:50] <imperfect-> and now im suicidal
[01:50] <pvh> imperfect-: i'd say give nvidia a call
[01:50] <lucychili> imperfect-, Windows was a pain the ass before win95... even win95 wasn't fantastic either.
[01:50] <pvh> imperfect-: either that or one of those 24hr help hotlines
[01:50] <Jimbob> ] BreliC[: Skimming over it, it appears to be M saying (basically) "F is lame because his theories don't place enough importance on The Revolution(tm) to change things."
[01:50] <imperfect-> lucychili: win95 was the gay.
[01:50] <stevenj> imperfect-, I was just wondering I just use the driver that installed...but your saying that does'nt work...uhh
[01:50] <Ironfrost> I loved the things Win95 told you when it was installing
[01:50] <pvh> lucychili: nor was 95 or 98
[01:50] <imperfect-> I was using linux instead of 95
[01:50] <Ironfrost> "everything you do will be more fun" was the best one
[01:50] <imperfect-> one because 95 was still beta
[01:50] <pvh> lucychili: 2000 and XP are good operating systems
[01:50] <imperfect-> but 2 because by 386sx-16 wouldn't run it ;)
[01:51] <imperfect-> stevenj: yeah I can't get above 1024x768
[01:51] <imperfect-> stevenj: You know what's even weirder?
[01:51] <imperfect-> stevenj: I had a cat named Steven.
[01:51] <jordanau> its funny, i ran ME for years without a problem :-)
[01:51] <mainer> anarklov3r:  http://home.att.net/~lilo-boot/lilohome.htm
[01:51] <imperfect-> stevenj: And my roommate and I called him Steven J. Stevlemeir
[01:52] <] BreliC[> Jimbob, yes, i know that.. but i have to write 3000 words on those 11 theses :)  Didn't have this problem on Hegel.. even though Hegel was much harder to grasp I thought
[01:52] <imperfect-> stevenj: are you using the nv driver?
[01:52] <Jimbob> heh
[01:52] <imperfect-> stevenj: cuz that's what hoary says to use ;)
[01:52] <ritalin> Holy shit
[01:52] <ritalin> ubuntu is amazing!
[01:52] <holycow> lol, well dudes, i have one official debian workstation pilot project here at the company, now that i'm liking ubuntu, two more workstations will be going out in a day or so
[01:52] <imperfect-> ritalin : not so mcuh
[01:52] <pvh> jordanau: give microsoft a call...  you might be the only one. they'll want to know how you did it
[01:53] <ritalin> imperfect-: Its uber fast
[01:53] <holycow> :D i'm still amazed at ubuntu/gnome2.10
[01:53] <ritalin> Im running kde and its quick!
[01:53] <ritalin> on a 800mhz G4
[01:53] <imperfect-> I've got a 3.6ghz P4 w/ 10krpm SATA
[01:53] <imperfect-> everything's fast
[01:53] <imperfect-> I just want my 1600x1200 native LCD resolution
[01:53] <imperfect-> I spent 1k on a monitor
[01:53] <stevenj> imperfect-, I just installed hoary clean and I installed no extra nvidia driver for a nvidia 5200 (sucks I know) but I dont play games- I have had no issues
[01:53] <imperfect-> not to look at icons the size of my fist
[01:53] <imperfect-> no!
[01:53] <libben> how can i check the tempature of my cpu ?
[01:53] <libben> wich command
[01:54] <anarklov3r> screw you ppl n ur fancy computers.....
[01:54] <imperfect-> stevenj : I didn't install anything extra either..
[01:54] <imperfect-> stevenj: I was told to install glx stuff
[01:54] <rOss^32> cat /proc/apci/thermal_zone/temperature
[01:54] <Jimbob> ] BreliC[: Good luck (turning 500 words into 3000)
[01:54] <rOss^32> i think
[01:54] <Xappe> imperfect-: i guess you have to play with the refresh rates of your monitor
[01:54] <holycow> imperfect-, heh, do you mind me asking what model lcd? i'm not buying lcd's yet specifically because the one that can do 1600x1200 are way too expensive
[01:54] <lucychili> libben: try xmbmon.
[01:54] <libben> imperfect-, wich graphic card do u have ?
[01:54] <imperfect-> Xappe: I have over and over and over and over again
[01:54] <imperfect-> holycow: this is a viewsonci
[01:54] <imperfect-> holycow: it's a year old
[01:54] <libben> xbmtopbm?
[01:54] <] BreliC[> Jimbob, heh, thanks
[01:55] <stevenj> imperfect-, I learned my lesson the hard way too.  All I know is my resolution is where I want it on my lcd and I only need 2D - so I F* with it ;)
[01:55] <imperfect-> holycow: you can get it for like 700$ or less now
[01:55] <Phr3ak> h3llo
[01:55] <stevenj> dont
[01:55] <imperfect-> libben: PCIExpress Nvidia 6600GT
[01:55] <libben> imperfect-, wich values do u have on vertical line and horizontal line then?
[01:55] <anarklov3r> ...... 1600x1200?? how big is ur screen?
[01:55] <imperfect-> libben: The detected values that xorg gets is "STOCK" from the viewsonic manual, but it goes out of range
[01:56] <imperfect-> anarklov3r : 20inch
[01:56] <Phr3ak> can you add repos to ubuntu ?
[01:56] <Phr3ak> for kynaptic
[01:56] <anarklov3r> ouch nice ;) i want a 30" lcd :D:D
[01:56] <libben> imperfect-, so the values in there are from the installation program?
[01:56] <libben> u havent altered it?
[01:56] <Xappe> Phr3ak: yes, in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[01:56] <imperfect-> libben: no, I lowered them to get anything ont he screen
[01:56] <libben> tell me imperfect- wich model is ur lcd/tft
[01:56] <lucychili> imperfect- I have the same chipset nvidia (AGP version) the nv driver sucked.. upgraded to hoary and installed the nvidia driver package... easy as :-)
[01:56] <libben> viewsonic what?
[01:56] <imperfect-> libben: the default values cause it to go out of range, even though the detected values are identical to what's in the manual
[01:56] <libben> tell me the numbers
[01:57] <libben> ok..
[01:57] <libben> so u have looked in the manual even?
[01:57] <imperfect-> libben: nod
[01:57] <imperfect-> libben: feel free to look it up
[01:57] <imperfect-> libben: ViewSonic VX2000
[01:57] <libben> and its the right manual? happend me once before i got a wrong manual for another monitor =)
[01:57] <imperfect-> The nvidia driver is bitching about the BIOS size being 1280x1024
[01:57] <imperfect-> libben: I've looked it up on the internet repeatedly
[01:58] <libben> ok
[01:58] <imperfect-> I had this same problem with suse/fedora
[01:58] <imperfect-> anytime i've used X
[01:58] <anarklov3r> i need a new monitor.... this 7" CRT wont cut it no more...
[01:58] <anarklov3r> lol
[01:58] <libben> imperfect
[01:58] <imperfect-> There's a whole section of nv driver output about supported VESA modes
[01:59] <imperfect-> none of which are 1600x1200 and a section about future support
[01:59] <lucychili> imperfect-: the nv driver or the nvidia driver....the nv driver is broked for use with the latest nvidia chipsets; you must install the proprietry driver.
[01:59] <libben> can u type this in here for me... /exec -o cat /etc/X11/xorg.con | grep Driver
[01:59] <anarklov3r> *ogles* 1600x1200
[01:59] <anarklov3r> farrrkkkk
[01:59] <libben> it will spam like 4 lines into here
[01:59] <imperfect-> lucychill: dpkg-reconfigure selected nv
[01:59] <libben> its ok
[01:59] <imperfect-> lucychill: do tell!!!
[01:59] <holycow> imperfect-, really eh?  i want 3 of them actually, i like multiple desktops
[01:59] <anarklov3r> i only dream of that... im stuck at 1280x1024 lol
[01:59] <holycow> lucychili, ! hey
[01:59] <imperfect-> how bout
[01:59] <libben> can u type this in here for me... /exec -o cat /etc/X11/xorg.con | grep Driver
[01:59] <libben> imperfect-,
[01:59] <libben> can u type this in here for me... /exec -o cat /etc/X11/xorg.con | grep Driver
[01:59] <kain> libben, xorg.conf
[02:00] <holycow> lucychili, thanks for the email info, i'm gonna try that sometime this week, i can't for the life of me find the time
[02:00] <libben> yes
[02:00] <libben> i missed an f =)
[02:00] <libben> can u type this in here for me... /exec -o cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[02:00] <hidura> I got a problem with something with name HAL
[02:00] <mackid> Hardware Abstraction Layer
[02:00] <stuNNed> hidura: is it critical?
[02:00] <mackid> Dave, can you hear me?
[02:00] <mackid> :-P
[02:00] <hidura> nop
[02:01] <Phr3ak> anyone know ofa good repo for apt-get is to add
[02:01] <mackid> Phr3ak, www.ubuntuguide.org, it lists a few
[02:01] <Phr3ak> ty
[02:02] <stevenj> anyone fooled around with installing tahoma fonts. etc...or is better to just use linux fonts?
[02:02] <niran> stevenj, just drag and drop them into fonts://
[02:03] <niran> stevenj, they'll only be available for your user if you do this, but that's usually enough
[02:03] <Poprocks> does anyone here know why yelp would be opening the help files in KEdit??
[02:03] <Xappe> you get some windows fonts by installing the msttcorefonts package
[02:03] <stevenj> niran, well I just asked because I am reading an ubuntu thread about all these files you have edit
[02:03] <niran> stevenj, if you need the fonts for everyone, google is your friend
[02:04] <niran> stevenj, you don't have to edit any files if you do it the easy, one user way
[02:04] <CountDown> Hi.  Is there a text-to-speech program for Ubuntu?
[02:04] <Xappe> ;)
[02:04] <niran> stevenj, but yeah, you definitely want to "apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[02:04] <propagandhi> yes, u need festival and the kspeak package (KDE)
[02:05] <CountDown> Hmm.  Nothing for GNOME?
[02:05] <stevenj> niran, I see so editing files is for system wide change
[02:06] <stevenj> niran, when I used fedora I installed the mscorefonts and everything --- including firefox got screwed up
[02:06] <propagandhi> not sure for gnome, I dont use gnome
[02:06] <CountDown> I'll take a look at kspeak.  Thanks.
[02:06] <stevenj> niran, just did'nt want to screw my perfectly installed ubuntu up :)
[02:07] <membreya> since ubuntuguide.org has decided to go silly...where can I get JRE1.5?
[02:08] <SiRrUs> membreya silly??
[02:08] <propagandhi> sorry, not sure if the package is called kspeak, let me find it first
[02:08] <imperfect-> Dear god in heaven.
[02:08] <imperfect-> It's 1600x1200
[02:08] <membreya> SiRrUs: it's included a link to JRE 1.5...to wget..that's for i586
[02:09] <membreya> hmmm it appears that
[02:09] <membreya> s
[02:09] <Ra> any one know a program that opens txt documents but has numbers for all the lines
[02:09] <membreya> all there is
[02:09] <membreya> guess it's my bad :P
[02:09] <SiRrUs> the only difference is that its 1_5_0_02 instead of _01
[02:09] <membreya> Ra: gedit
[02:10] <Ra> is it small dl?
[02:10] <membreya> should be
[02:10] <St0n3-C0l> Ra: If you're using GNOME it should be there
[02:10] <membreya> but to me an ISO is a small dl
[02:10] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: yeah yeah :P
[02:10] <mainer> ra: it' comes with gnome,part of nautilus,i believe
[02:10] <MMond> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden  <-- :x
[02:11] <Ra> is there one that comes by self that i can download
[02:12] <mainer> many,too many to list:0
[02:12] <propagandhi> kSayit is the name of the program
[02:12] <imperfect-> sdfasdf
[02:12] <imperfect-> lll
[02:12] <imperfect-> damnit
[02:14] <membreya> so .... who here uses mythTV?
[02:14] <stevenj> niran, are clear type the same as mscorefonts..I have a LCD monitor I would like it to look clean like an XP box :) (my eyes are bad)
[02:14] <imperfect-> membreya : I've got a hauppage 250 card... i prolly iwll be soon
[02:14] <membreya> imperfect-: I'm just trying to decide if I should use mythTV or TVTime
[02:14] <imperfect-> I've never heard of TVTime
[02:14] <imperfect-> Myth seems purty cool
[02:15] <imperfect-> My video card does HDTV out
[02:15] <imperfect-> So I'm hoping to do an X session out of that to my HDTV
[02:15] <membreya> tvtime is a basic program :)
[02:16] <St0n3-C0l> Hey hey...
[02:16] <Ironfrost> to install fonts, do I just copy them to fonts:///
[02:17] <Ironfrost> or is there something else I need to do?
[02:17] <Markrian> Ironfrost, correct, though I prefer to copy font files to ~/.fonts, and then run "fc-cache"
[02:17] <Xira> Hm.. There's only one thing keeping me from leaving windows and going 100% ubuntu
[02:17] <Xira> :-/
[02:17] <^thehatsrule^> games!
[02:17] <Xira> No
[02:17] <] BreliC[> imperfect-, i use crontab as my TiVO... heh
[02:17] <^thehatsrule^> :/
[02:17] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:17] <^thehatsrule^> what then?
[02:17] <] BreliC[> nice and quick, no hiccups, reliable ;)
[02:18] <Xira> 3d accleration.. the ATI drivers give me a bug where if I log out / close X I just get a black screen
[02:18] <] BreliC[> haven't tried mythtv though
[02:18] <Xira> which makes them unusable
[02:18] <Xira> =(
[02:18] <Ironfrost> Markrian - what's the advantage of that method?
[02:18] <] BreliC[> Xira, yeah, ATI is not as good as nVIDIA on linux yet
[02:18] <Markrian> Ironfrost, I find it's more reliable... fonts: in nautilus doesn't seem to update immediately
[02:18] <mainer> ^thehatsrule^: longtime
[02:19] <Ironfrost> OK, I'll do that then
[02:19] <mjg59> Unless you want Free drivers, in which case ATI are some distance ahead
[02:19] <^thehatsrule^> if youre <8500 then youre screwed
[02:19] <propagandhi> Xira, cant u use the vesa drivers
[02:19] <mjg59> (Though still rubbish)
[02:19] <] BreliC[> mjg59, exactly
[02:19] <] BreliC[> don't get me started on this fu*^&d up world in which we live
[02:19] <] BreliC[> :)
[02:20] <mjg59> Any ATI below the 9200 has support way beyond any nvidia ever.
[02:20] <mjg59> Because we can actually fix the bugs in the code.
[02:20] <^thehatsrule^> says it supports R200 chipsets
[02:20] <Phr3ak> is there away to veiw the pkg avaible
[02:20] <Xira> propagandhi: I need 3d accel
[02:20] <Phr3ak> in apt-get
[02:20] <propagandhi> fair enough then
[02:20] <] BreliC[> mjg59, true, but i've never had a problem with nVIDIA cards, and have had nothing but problems with an ATI card
[02:20] <Xira> the 2d drivers work fine
[02:21] <Xira> but i need 3d accel
[02:21] <Xira> :\
[02:21] <mjg59> Xira: What card?
[02:21] <Xira> 9800 pro 256mb
[02:21] <] BreliC[> Xira, even then you'd need to buy Cedega to get the Win games to work (well, the good ones anyway)
[02:21] <Xira> dont care about games
[02:21] <Xira> want 3d accelration
[02:21] <Xira> have cedega
[02:21] <mjg59> Xira: Ok, things ought to be better by Breezy (with luck)
[02:21] <propagandhi> so what are u requiring 3D acceleration for
[02:21] <] BreliC[> Xira, for what then?
[02:21] <mjg59> There's semi-working Free drivers for the R300s
[02:22] <] BreliC[> and why do you have Cedega if you don't care for games?
[02:22] <^thehatsrule^> could be 3-d modelling apps like maya? ;p
[02:22] <Xira> propagandhi: a non lagging GUI? i watch large videos?
[02:22] <Xira> the few games i play play under cedega fine
[02:22] <carambol> is it not possible anymore to install mplayer + mzoilla-mplayer?
[02:22] <propagandhi> strange, I have ubuntu on a 32MB card, and i dont get lag in the GUI or problems with video
[02:22] <] BreliC[> true enough.. my friend didn't have 3d accel drivers on her setup, and SCROLLING was like molasses
[02:22] <mjg59> Xira: We currently don't use the 3D code for the GUI or video
[02:23] <mjg59> (though that'll probably start changing in the near future)
[02:23] <carambol> how i get mplayer?
[02:24] <SiRrUs> carambol checkfor it under synaptic
[02:24] <] BreliC[> carambol, you can get it through apt-get (with the universe repo I think)
[02:24] <] BreliC[> or compile it from source
[02:24] <carambol> i got a lot of depend-problems
[02:25] <carambol> which one i need...mpl-nogui or custom?
[02:25] <] BreliC[> carambol, then apt-get/synaptic should solve it
[02:25] <carambol> will try again
[02:27] <Phr3ak> anyone know of some good 3party repos for apt-get ?
[02:28] <^thehatsrule^> you really dont need 3rd party... ubuntu's is pretty fast
[02:28] <phoenixp3k> very quick question, what is the command to delete a folder?
[02:28] <Phr3ak> i just need some stuff for video
[02:28] <Phr3ak> vlc plgins
[02:28] <Phr3ak> mainly
[02:29] <propagandhi> phoenixp3k: rmdir
[02:29] <phoenixp3k> ohh. Thanks!
[02:31] <amonkey> i downgraded my nvidia-glx package with synaptic so that my gl-dependent stuff would run (everythign with gl would seg fault) and when i restarted x won't start because it says that there is an api mismatch
[02:31] <phoenixp3k> second quick question, how to uninstall a program not listed in synaptic
[02:32] <] BreliC[> phoenixp3k, unless there's something in it, then it's 'rm -rf' which can be dangerous, but useful
[02:32] <phoenixp3k> ] BreliC[, can't I just delete the folder?
[02:33] <] BreliC[> phoenixp3k, not if there are files or other folders in it... the 'rm -rf' removes recursively and forces removal
[02:33] <] BreliC[> so it's nice to get rid of whole folders with stuff in them quickly
[02:33] <propagandhi> be careful with that command though - dont do rm -rf *
[02:34] <propagandhi> or /
[02:34] <] BreliC[> exactly.. that's what i was saying.. very useful, but dangerous if you don't know what you're doing or make a typo
[02:34] <] BreliC[> always double check before hitting enter
[02:34] <phoenixp3k> ] BreliC[, never mind there, I think I found and uninstall script
[02:34] <] BreliC[> heh, ok
[02:34] <amonkey> if noone responds to question, is it bad etiquette to ask again?
[02:34] <] BreliC[> ten times in a row, yes
[02:35] <] BreliC[> but not after a few minutes
[02:35] <jba> hey guys
[02:35] <jba> just read about ubuntudownunder on the wiki
[02:35] <] BreliC[> hey jba
[02:35] <jba> can anyone give me some idea of the timeframes for the conference?
[02:35] <jba> I would love to attend but it would have to be after work
[02:35] <] BreliC[> i just wish i were down under
[02:35] <GRedner> hey
[02:36] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: Please turn that off.
[02:36] <St0n3-C0l> okay :P
[02:36] <GRedner> newbie question:  how would I go about getting my wireless card to work?  It's a dell laptop and a US robotics card
[02:36] <jba> i live in sydney, so it sould be a hop skip and a jump for me
[02:36] <GRedner> the card worked on the same machine under debian way back when, but I recall several kenerl compiles to get it that way
[02:36] <amonkey> ok, repeating, x won't start because it says that there is an api mismatch, the nvidia driver is 7xxx and the x one is 6111. I used synaptic to downgrade my nvidia-glx package to get gl-dpeendent stuff to work.
[02:36] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: Done.
[02:36] <darkaudit> hmm... apt-build fixes a bug...
[02:37] <propagandhi> hang on, whats this conference
[02:37] <GRedner> is there a way to have it autodetected (or try)?
[02:37] <propagandhi> I'm in Oz too
[02:37] <holycow> uh oh
[02:37] <holycow> ubuntu is up on slasdot again
[02:37] <holycow> slashdot even
[02:37] <holycow> occasionally referred to as sloshdot
[02:37] <holycow> >_>
[02:37] <holycow> -_-
[02:37] <] BreliC[> lol
[02:37] <darkaudit> found out why juk, amarok and trm wouldn't get tag info...
[02:38] <phoenixp3k> how do I run an sh file?
[02:38] <GRedner> anybody have a pointer for me?
[02:38] <] BreliC[> amonkey, i had a similar problem with suse 9.1 and was never able to fix it... hence one of the reasons i ended up switching to ubuntu
[02:38] <AcidWolf> from a terminal usinf chown whats the syntax to change the owner of a directory and all files within it
[02:38] <phoenixp3k> isn't sh ./filname
[02:38] <AcidWolf> using*
[02:38] <] BreliC[> phoenixp3, just ./filename
[02:38] <phoenixp3k> ohh
[02:38] <AcidWolf> please thanks :)
[02:39] <phoenixp3k> thanks
[02:39] <Merlin615> hi all
[02:39] <darkaudit> libtunepimp-bin was packaged without mp3 support... did an apt-build --reinstall install libtunepimp-bin and it's fixed
[02:39] <] BreliC[> amonkey, it screwed up my entire display.. and that was from the official Yast online update!
[02:39] <] BreliC[> phoenixp3, if it doesn't work, it likely isn't executable
[02:40] <amonkey> brelic, i hope it's not that serious. i just need to figure out how to either downgrade nvidia or upgrade x
[02:40] <AcidWolf> i hate having to go through the entire dir and doing chmod for everything lol theres a hell of alot there
[02:40] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: I ditched SuSE ater they couldn't/wouldn't fix their GNOME 2.6 packages...
[02:40] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, oh yeah?  I was using KDE, but i
[02:40] <toresbe> AcidWolf: chmod -R 755 dir/
[02:40] <toresbe> AcidWolf: chown -R owner:group dir/
[02:40] <] BreliC[> i'm getting tired of their crippling multimedia that requires hours to fix
[02:40] <toresbe> AcidWolf: :)
[02:41] <AcidWolf> ty toresbe
[02:41] <phoenixp3k> trying to delete a folder but rmdir won't work, it says it's an invalid folder
[02:41] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, same guy?
[02:41] <AcidWolf> yes ^thehatsrule^  same guy
[02:41] <toresbe> AcidWolf: you could have gotten that information in much shorter time if you tried "man chmod" - that give s you a brief description of all the parameters of a command
[02:41] <^thehatsrule^> :D
[02:41] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, according to a preview of 9.3 on madpenguin, this version is the worst yet in terms of multimedia functionality because it's not easy to re-enable it
[02:41] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: With Hoary, I had to add *one* extra repository to have all the multimedia I need enabled :)
[02:41] <AcidWolf> ty ty
[02:41] <Merlin615> anyone try the new 5.04 live cd?
[02:42] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, exactly!
[02:42] <toresbe> AcidWolf: it brings up the manual and it works for all programs :)
[02:42] <MMond> I don't think anyone has yet gotten it, Merlin615?
[02:42] <^thehatsrule^> i just use chmod a=wrx blah
[02:42] <AcidWolf> lol i didnt even know chown or chmod had a man page lol
[02:42] <] BreliC[> it's my first time using debian, and i really like the apt-get idea.. i didn't know you could do a reinstall as someone mentioned above
[02:42] <AcidWolf> :)
[02:42] <Merlin615> ok, downloaded the iso
[02:42] <toresbe> AcidWolf: *all* commands do :)
[02:42] <^thehatsrule^> everything has a man page :P
[02:42] <MMond> Not everything :P
[02:42] <Merlin615> having trouble getting my wirelessnicallthe way up
[02:43] <] BreliC[> what about a woman page
[02:43] <] BreliC[> ?
[02:43] <] BreliC[> hehe, "woman grub"
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:43] <MMond> You can setup an alias :O
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> woman sex
[02:43] <Merlin615> and it won'tload beyond a certain point
[02:43] <] BreliC[> lol
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> i had to do that :P
[02:43] <MMond> If it makes you feel good
[02:43] <toresbe> MMond: In Debian, as probably in Ubuntu, being deb-derived, a binary without a man page is an instant "important" bug.
[02:43] <toresbe> MMond: alias man echo "If you really loved me, you would know how this command works."
[02:44] <toresbe> woman*
[02:44] <] BreliC[> LOL
[02:44] <MMond> How can I determine if an alias is already "taken?" Don't wanna mess things up :x
[02:44] <] BreliC[> MMond, type it :)
[02:44] <toresbe> MMond: just type it and see what happens :P
[02:45] <toresbe> MMond: and if you alias something, it's just unalias
[02:45] <MMond> <-- nub. But when I was compiling some things from source and installing . . . some man pages, I could not find my way to (I would imagine it's probably because I did something)
[02:45] <amonkey> anyone know how i can update x to version 7174?
[02:45] <toresbe> MMond: and an "alias" isn't permanent
[02:45] <MMond> I restart the terminal and it'll have it back to default, you mean to say?
[02:45] <] BreliC[> MMond, maybe you didn't do make install?
[02:45] <toresbe> amonkey: uh, things have gone fast, yesterday when I installed, X was at version 6.7
[02:46] <stevenj> last question the stupid power company "fliped" the power for about 30 secs for no apparent reason..and shut down my box....how do I check to see if anything is currupted or should I worry?
[02:46] <toresbe> stevenj: nah
[02:46] <tcwd> Hey guys
[02:46] <AcidWolf>  chown -R owner:group dir/ <------- what is group exactly just so that i know for future use
[02:46] <amonkey> toresbe: i meant x's nvidia api. my nvidia drivers are 7174, but my x is 6111
[02:46] <tcwd> can anyone help me with configuring my sound card?
[02:46] <] BreliC[> stevenj, you're online aren't you?  ;)
[02:46] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I am now...
[02:46] <tcwd> I'm quite a n00b to linux, in general.
[02:46] <tcwd> So I don't know much ;_;
[02:46] <toresbe> amonkey: ah, apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-glx should getch the newest
[02:46] <toresbe> tcwd: sure, we'll do what we can
[02:47] <stevenj> I have just always read that no shutting down properly in linux currupts things
[02:47] <tcwd> alright... what must I do first?
[02:47] <toresbe> AcidWolf: well, a group is a neat little thing if you run multi-user systems
[02:47] <toresbe> tcwd: usually, the sound card should work right out of the box
[02:47] <amonkey> toresbe: the problem is i rolled them back with synaptic, and now it thinks that they are the newest
[02:47] <amonkey> and they aren't
[02:47] <toresbe> stevenj: it might, but not if it didn't complain
[02:47] <] BreliC[> stevenj, that was certainly true with ext2 and sometimes ext3.. but i think it's much better now
[02:47] <tcwd> toresbe: Doesn't look like it.
[02:47] <euphoria> If I use Places -> Connect to Server... to connect to a Samba share, does it get mounted somewhere in the directory structure?
[02:47] <MMond> root@tosh:/home/khan # alias kekeke echo "this is it"  //  bash: alias: kekeke: not found  //  bash: alias: echo: not found  //  bash: alias: this is it: not found
[02:47] <Xeon3D> stevenj, on the next boot up it checks for the files...
[02:47] <toresbe> tcwd: what sound card you have?
[02:47] <tcwd> My friend told me Ubuntu comes with loads of drivers...
[02:47] <amonkey> does anyone know the package i'd need to update for x's nivida kerenel whatevers
[02:47] <tcwd> but I just need to get it configured
[02:47] <tcwd> toresbe: Avance Logic 2000
[02:47] <toresbe> stevenj: On next boot it just cleans up.
[02:47] <libben> hmm
[02:47] <Xeon3D> stevenj: so if you're typing from that box... your filesystem was already checked.
[02:48] <libben> i played a vob file... and it was all good.
[02:48] <toresbe> AcidWolf: getting back to your question
[02:48] <stevenj> Xeon3D, thanks...I guess this happened to you sometime :)
[02:48] <toresbe> AcidWolf: Say you have an mp3 directory
[02:48] <libben> then i closed it... and now when watching it again... it turns blue... anyone has this problem with totem?
[02:48] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and you run a multiuser machien
[02:48] <toresbe> ne*
[02:48] <darkaudit> amonkey: linux-restricted-modules
[02:48] <stevenj> damn power company sucks around here
[02:48] <amonkey> darkaudit: will try, thankyou
[02:48] <Ironfrost> amonkey - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[02:48] <Xeon3D> stevenj, np... it's like that since i've installed my first ext2(3?) filesystem
[02:48] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and you want two users, bob and dave, to be able to add or tag mp3s or whatever
[02:49] <PecK> any good ubuntu compatible strategy (red alert like, or dark omen better) game?
[02:49] <AcidWolf> yes toresbe  :) but i dont run a group
[02:49] <smouche> Does anybody happen to know how I can type a cedilla in linux?  The "us-intl" (deadkeys) layout I'm using doesn't seem to include that
[02:49] <toresbe> AcidWolf: you put them in the group "mp3" using adduser bob mp3; adduser dave mp3
[02:49] <Ironfrost> woah, Dark Omen
[02:49] <Ironfrost> now that was a helluvagood game
[02:49] <] BreliC[> does anyone have this setup: amarok running mysql on one machine pointing to a song database on another machine on the same lan (nfs mount point)?
[02:49] <AcidWolf> oh
[02:49] <amonkey> ironfrost: the problem is that the nvidia drivers are newer than the x ones.
[02:49] <Ironfrost> best pure-strategy game I've ever played, despite the age
[02:49] <PecK> Ironfrost, indeed!
[02:49] <toresbe> AcidWolf: (first you have to make the group)
[02:49] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and bertha, a third user likes to play music, but screws with everything she can get her hands on
[02:49] <AcidWolf> so if i dont run a group then id just leave that out or does it have to have something there to make the command complete
[02:49] <toresbe> AcidWolf: she isn't in the mp3 group.
[02:50] <] BreliC[> i have amarok, mysql working.  my nfs is mounted but each time i instruct amarok to build the collection it never actually does it
[02:50] <PecK> Ironfrost, think the same way. no building up, just run what you chose and win
[02:50] <Xappe> best rts ever is Dune2
[02:50] <toresbe> AcidWolf: yeah, sure, just chown -R username dir/
[02:50] <AcidWolf> aaaaaaah
[02:50] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: contemplating moving my mp3 collection completely off the xp box...
[02:50] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and usernames have their own group, so it
[02:50] <toresbe> AcidWolf: and usernames have their own group, so it's best to do username:username
[02:50] <Ironfrost> yeah, resource management is good sometimes, but I prefer to just have it out with the armies both of us have
[02:50] <Ironfrost> the AI was a bit pathetic though
[02:50] <Xappe> and Dune2 actually runs in dosbox :)
[02:50] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, well, mine is on another linux box...
[02:51] <PecK> indeed. but link play was incredible
[02:51] <PecK> spent nights with 2 friends playing tournaments
[02:51] <toresbe> AcidWolf: so you can chmod it 775, which lets the owner, and the members of the group (in this case mp3) edit and add files in the directory, but lets other users read it
[02:51] <AcidWolf> ty ty toresbe  it worked :)
[02:51] <] BreliC[> i'm not sure why it's not picking it up.. amarok help files seem to indicate that what i've done is correct, and that this is the way to get it to read from nfs mounts... but alas, that would be too simple ;)
[02:51] <PecK> Ironfrost :)
[02:51] <AcidWolf> yeah ill read into grouping ladtely
[02:51] <Ironfrost> because my parents wouldn't let me make a modem call
[02:51] <AcidWolf> later*
[02:51] <Ironfrost> for so long
[02:51] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: I just had to rebuild libtunepimp-bin because the release package was missing mp3 support... couldn't query the musicbrainz servers to get tag info
[02:51] <HoopyCat> well, this certainly seems to be an active distribution.  :-)
[02:52] <toresbe> AcidWolf: also, you can do stuff like 750, group secret, would let the owner edit, the members of the group "secret" edit, and everyone else stays the hell out
[02:52] <AcidWolf> well im off to work for a couple hours
[02:52] <PecK> Ironfrost, anything alike for ubuntu?
[02:52] <AcidWolf> oh
[02:52] <toresbe> tcwd: back to you
[02:52] <Ironfrost> not that I know of, but if you find something please let me know
[02:52] <Ironfrost> :)
[02:52] <tcwd> toresbe: Thanks.
[02:52] <Xappe> hmm, I wonder if I can get worms 2 to run in cedega
[02:52] <AcidWolf> ty toresbe  thats very useful
[02:52] <AcidWolf> :)
[02:52] <tcwd> anyways...
[02:52] <PecK> lol
[02:52] <AcidWolf> well bbl
 tcwd: what sound card you have?
 but I just need to get it configured
 toresbe: Avance Logic 2000
[02:52] <toresbe> AcidWolf: yeah, just started taking advantage of it while running multiuser systems, it sort of fun
[02:52] <AcidWolf> gotta go earn my next laptop lol
[02:52] <PecK> anyone would recommend a good strategy base for ubuntu?
[02:52] <toresbe> tcwd: yeah
[02:52] <tcwd> That's where we were ;)
[02:52] <toresbe> tcwd: hmmm
[02:52] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, that's not it for me.. it plays local and streaming mp3s...
[02:52] <AcidWolf> hehehe
[02:53] <Ironfrost> there's Freeciv, I guess
[02:53] <AcidWolf> GonE
[02:53] <imperfect-> http://www.boingboing.net/images/_images_comic_tot14.jpg
[02:53] <] BreliC[> what about the Battle for Wesnoth?
[02:53] <PecK> Ironfrost, yeah but you need to find servers or setup a game with a friend
[02:53] <toresbe> tcwd: is it a seriously new card?
[02:53] <imperfect-> Is there a package with more interesting themes and backgrounds for ubuntu?
[02:53] <tcwd> h wait, I typed it wrong
[02:53] <tcwd> it is Avance Logic ALS4000
[02:53] <toresbe> tcwd: mind if I /msg you?
[02:54] <tcwd> alright
[02:54] <darkaudit> ] BreliC[: Oh, it played fine, but if I tried to get tag info from the net, it would give errors... try running trm with no options. mp3 isn't listed as supported
[02:54] <] BreliC[> imperfect-, you can get some nice stuff at art.gnome.org and www.gnome-look.org
[02:54] <HoopyCat> does anyone use asterisk (with the zaptel modules, etc) under ubuntu?
[02:54] <amonkey> here is the (almost) error x gives me: API Mismatch: The nvidia kernel modules is version 7174, but this X modules is version 6111
[02:54] <] BreliC[> darkaudit, ahh.. haven't tried that yet
[02:54] <amonkey> how can i downgrade the nvidia kernel module, or upgrade the x nvidia module
[02:55] <darkaudit> amonkey: what kernel are you running?
[02:55] <infinito> does anybody know how to show volume icons on desktop???
[02:55] <Xappe> can't anyone make a good bugfree dark theme for gnome, something like leech or tenebrific but better
[02:55] <amonkey> darkaudit: the newest one that came with hoary. i have to run upstairs to be completly speicifc, do you want me to?
[02:55] <] BreliC[> Xappe, there's one called Orange which is predominantly black (on www.gnome-look.org)
[02:55] <] BreliC[> actually kinda nice
[02:55] <imperfect-> ] BreliC[ : Know of any just big background full package?
[02:56] <Xappe> ] BreliC[: oh, that one i've missed...i'll check it out
[02:56] <] BreliC[> imperfect-, what do you mean?
[02:56] <darkaudit> amonkey: if you get the linux-restricted-modules that matches that kernel, IMO you should be fine...
[02:56] <] BreliC[> Xappe, or it could be called Oranj
[02:56] <PecK> ] BreliC[, Ironfrost, googled it and you can apt-get it with debian. am gonna try with ubuntu :)
[02:56] <amonkey> i tried that
[02:56] <imperfect-> lot of times there is a pakcaged that's like "backgrounds-for-ubuntu-extras"
[02:56] <amonkey> darkaudit: i tried that, says newest version
[02:57] <imperfect-> sigh
[02:57] <] BreliC[> Peck, cool
[02:57] <imperfect-> so then gaim crashed for no reason
[02:57] <imperfect-> without a peep
[02:57] <imperfect-> just died
[02:57] <pvh> imperfect-: you seem to be having a lousy day
[02:57] <PecK> it's apt-get wesnoth, works :)
[02:57] <] BreliC[> imperfect-, ahh, not sure...
[02:57] <pvh> imperfect-: wish i could help
[02:57] <imperfect-> pvh: yeah no joke ;)
[02:57] <] BreliC[> PecK, yeah, it's a fun game!
[02:57] <darkaudit> amonkey: do you have nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common?
[02:57] <imperfect-> pvh: hey! I'm in 1600x1200 once someone told me the nv was broked!
[02:58] <PecK> :)
[02:58] <pvh> imperfect-: oh, great. did you have to switch to "nvidia"?
[02:58] <amonkey> darkaudit: nvidia-glx yes, apt-get claims newest version, i'll remove install kernel-common and see if that helps
[02:58] <whiskers> hey does anybody know if you ubuntu compiled those linmodems support in the kernel...i think it was that HSP chip stuff
[02:58] <imperfect-> pvh: yep and all is well
[02:58] <imperfect-> ;)
[02:58] <pvh> imperfect-: i seem to remember doing something like that, but i couldn't remember if it was a switch from nv to nvidia or vice versa
[02:58] <darkaudit> my ver of nvidia-kernel-common is 1.0.7174+
[02:58] <imperfect-> pvh: the closed driver works wonders ;)
[02:59] <joemo23> hello
[02:59] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[02:59] <pvh> imperfect-: they done good, yeah
[02:59] <joemo23> i need help setting up my monitor with ubuntu
[02:59] <joemo23> i have a hitachi superscan 753
[02:59] <joemo23> the refresh rates are all wrong
[02:59] <joemo23> how do i fix this with ubuntu?
[02:59] <^thehatsrule^> video prefs?
[03:00] <joemo23> where is that?
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> or manually in xfree config
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> or xorg, if youre using that
[03:00] <joemo23> the correct refreshrates do not show up
[03:00] <LiveCD1680x1050> greetings fellow Ubuntu'ers!
[03:00] <joemo23> thehatsrule how would i do this?
[03:00] <whiskers> there was a large discussion on slashdot that nobody around the world wants anything to do with US technology anymore...they say Redhat is going down the tubes....MS sales are going down....China and India are picking and lots of people are looking at the African Ubuntu stuff
[03:00] <] BreliC[> be back in a bit... watching 24 :D
[03:00] <LiveCD1680x1050> < just installed flash player, in live cd mode... how is this possible! lol
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> maybe update your vid drivers?
[03:01] <joemo23> thehatsrule:  Its an nvidia card
[03:01] <joemo23> im not sure which drivers its using
[03:01] <whiskers> China and India are picking up along with the Africans at Ubuntu
[03:01] <joemo23> its the default drivers
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> get the binary drivers then
[03:01] <joemo23> whiskerS:  We heard you the 1st time
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> could be restricting it
[03:01] <dts> every time i save a file in OO, I get an error "Error loading BASIC of document"
[03:01] <joemo23> thehatsrule:  From where?
[03:01] <whiskers> joemo23, not me...the discussion was a lengthy one on Slashdot
[03:01] <eyequeue> joemo23:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:01] <imperfect-> Is there a cool gnome app for handling digital photos?
[03:02] <^thehatsrule^> check the doc on the ubuntu website, its somewhere there
[03:02] <^thehatsrule^> xpaint?
[03:02] <Arnia> f-spot
[03:02] <Arnia> f-spot is great *hugs*
[03:02] <whiskers> joemo23, i simply don't know what to think about anything
[03:02] <^thehatsrule^> lol... or gimp i think
[03:02] <Arnia> Well... for editing, the Gimp
[03:02] <Arnia> For managing, f-spot
[03:03] <whiskers> does anybody know if ubuntu compiled kernel support for those Linmodems
[03:03] <propagandhi> whiskers: no it doesnt
[03:03] <stryderjzw> hey, i was wondering if the live cd can be used to install later on?
[03:03] <imperfect-> f-spot is on it's way
[03:03] <imperfect-> wonder if it'll know when i've plugged in my camera
[03:04] <whiskers> propagandhi, ok...that is what i needed to know before buying the hardware....since i don't really feel like compiling another kernel right now
[03:04] <whiskers> i suppose i can still use my old external faxmodem but it sure does consume extra power
[03:04] <romildo> Hello.
[03:05] <romildo> I have just installed ubuntu in my multiboot athlon64 system to try it.
[03:05] <amonkey> darkaudit: i apt-get removed nvidia-kernel-common, which pulled nvidia-glx and linux-restricted. i then installed nvidia-glx which put them all back in (at version 6111). Now i don't get a mismatch, i get a "NVidia module failed to initialize"
[03:05] <romildo> It seems that transcode is not available in the repositories for my arch.
[03:05] <joemo23> where do i run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:05] <joemo23> im going to try the nvidia glx drivers
[03:06] <Poprocks> does anyone here know why yelp would be opening the help files in a text editor?
[03:06] <joemo23> do i need to login as root? or just type that in terminal from regular account?
[03:06] <imperfect-> well
[03:06] <imperfect-> You'll be happy to know that plugging in my camera
[03:06] <imperfect-> and importing photos
[03:06] <imperfect-> caused gnome-terminal to crash
[03:06] <imperfect-> ;)
[03:06] <romildo> Is there a specific channel for ubuntu on amd64?
[03:06] <Coily> how do i switch which partition boots my comp? right now ive got 2 ubuntu installations, and i want to delete one of them which is currently the boot partition
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> joemo23, root acct is disabled by default, sudo gives you root access temporarily
[03:07] <joemo23> ok
[03:07] <joemo23> thehatsrule do i need to reboot after install of driver?
[03:07] <joemo23> or just run from terminal now?
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> no, just restart x
[03:07] <joemo23> the sudo i mean
[03:07] <Coily> anyone?
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> no
[03:07] <joemo23> thehatsrule how?
[03:07] <joemo23> just logout?
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> yea
[03:08] <darkaudit> amonkey: the latest hoary linux-restricted-modules uses the 7174 nvidia module. Which uneverse and multiverse repositories are you using?
[03:08] <^thehatsrule^> Coily, use fdisk? cfdisk? parted? qtparted?
[03:08] <darkaudit> er universe
[03:08] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, yes but i dont know what the process would be
[03:08] <imperfect-> hehe
[03:08] <imperfect-> and now nautilus just crashed.
[03:08] <imperfect-> This ubuntu is the shyt!
[03:08] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, exactly what would i modify
[03:09] <LiveCD1680x1050> < is having a great time in live ubuntu
[03:09] <kain> romildo, http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/
[03:09] <whiskers> imperfect-, strange...it doesn't seem too bad here
[03:09] <imperfect-> Well
[03:09] <kain> romildo, check it out this page http://hpisi.nerim.net/
[03:09] <whiskers> just that cupsys crap where you can't use cups
[03:09] <imperfect-> I plugged in a digital camera
[03:09] <whiskers> or foomatic
[03:09] <imperfect-> the world comes to a complete and utter stop when that happens
[03:09] <imperfect-> ;)
[03:10] <whiskers> imperfect-, well let me check...i have a camera i used to use on gentoo
[03:10] <whiskers> imperfect-, i will check it on ubuntu
[03:10] <amonkey> darkaudit: i have both hoary and warty ones so i could have more version options in synaptic, should i kill th e warty entries, apt-get update and then try again?
[03:10] <amonkey> darkaudit: if i locked a version (i don't think i did, but i might have) in synaptic will that affect apt-get from console? is there a lock version file i can delete?
[03:10] <imperfect-> It mounted perfectly
[03:10] <darkaudit> amonkey: yeah... it looks like you're getting the warty versions of nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
[03:10] <imperfect-> gthumb popped up
[03:10] <^thehatsrule^> Coily, there should be a bootable flag
[03:11] <imperfect-> then gnome-terminal crashed
[03:11] <imperfect-> then after I played with pics
[03:11] <imperfect-> nautilus died
[03:11] <Nigelenki> Alright
[03:11] <LaLoX> wazaaaa
[03:11] <Nigelenki> disaster recovery quiz
[03:11] <LaLoX> jo
[03:11] <Nigelenki> what on the live or install CD will detect my partitions and recreate my partition table
[03:11] <darkaudit> amonkey: since synaptic is a frontend, my best guess would to be to say yes
[03:11] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, ok so remove the bootable flag from one and enable the other? also, wont i need a root file system after i delete the partition?
[03:12] <LiveCD1680x1050> three cheers for Ubuntu live cd! I'm running in what screen rez? wow... widescreen is awesome
[03:12] <whiskers> now the only thing is that i can't figure out how to use the camera
[03:12] <LaLoX> anybody knows how to change the splash of the beginning
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> Coily, you there is only 1 boot flag allowed per hdd
[03:12] <Xappe> hmm, where can I get color schemes for xchat?
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> Xappe, #xchat
[03:12] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, ok, but what about the root fs? that will be deleted once i delete the partition
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> *shrug* i dont see what youre getting at
[03:13] <amonkey> darkaudit: know how to turn of the lock wihtout the synaptic gui?
[03:13] <whiskers> ok i plugged the camera in and it says importing pictures into something
[03:13] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, my system wont boot without a root fs ???
[03:13] <darkaudit> amonkey: don't know... sorry :(
[03:13] <romildo> kain, thanks for the link. I am visiting it now.
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> Coily, depends on how your system is set up
[03:14] <whiskers> still did not crash...i picked one picture and it imported to something that looks like gtkam
[03:14] <imperfect-> nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[03:14] <imperfect-> So
[03:14] <amonkey> darkaudit: i'll hope i didn't lock them and remove the warty refrences. be back when that's done\
[03:14] <imperfect-> When did the Linux become catholic?
[03:14] <imperfect-> And remind us we're sinners in dmesg?
[03:14] <Coily> ^thehatsrule^, well its setup in such a way that yes i will be having that problem
[03:14] <imperfect-> Closed drivers are like original sin
[03:14] <^thehatsrule^> then do a way to get around w/e problem youre having
[03:14] <LiveCD1680x1050> l8r all
[03:15] <whiskers> imperfect-, ok it save the picture in home folder and still did not crash so i will also try to print it
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> you can just as easily install grub/lilo
[03:16] <whiskers> imperfect-, ok it is printing and still not crashing ...so i think the problem is at your end not ubuntus
[03:17] <imperfect-> whiskers: Yeah you're right man
[03:17] <whiskers> imperfect-, ok it printed the picture perfect and i can even see the ubuntu terminal on the screen....so i don't see any problems here
[03:17] <imperfect-> whiskers: linux software is grade A. It's not buggy at all, I'm nuts.
[03:17] <whiskers> imperfect-, i think you are trying to create a problem where there is none....now maybe if you want to talk about a menueditor
[03:17] <imperfect-> whiskers: that and, we're not running the exact same hardware/software so yourr comparison is meaningless
[03:18] <whiskers> imperfect-, i am only telling you that it works...at least with this cheap HP430x camera
[03:18] <imperfect-> whiskers: I'm not creating a problem. The software is buggy shit. It's a fact of life.
[03:18] <whiskers> imperfect-, hey so what isn't in this world
[03:18] <imperfect-> whiskers: It's something you must accept if you want to use it ;)
[03:18] <whiskers> imperfect-, hey make the best of it and quit complaining...you did not pay anything
[03:18] <imperfect-> whiskers: NOthing, I was just commenting on my experiences with plugging in my camera.
[03:19] <imperfect-> whiskers: I have never bought software -- money has never been an issue.
[03:19] <whiskers> imperfect-, well Linux is picky on hardware...that has been a known fact for a long time
[03:19] <whiskers> imperfect-, you have to be careful
[03:20] <gunnyman> any helpers in the house tonight?
[03:21] <holycow> gunnyman, just ask
[03:21] <gunnyman> I have an oddball problem.  Running gnome in Hoary, I lost the ability to do much of anything with my home dir.
[03:21] <gunnyman> I can't browse it
[03:22] <gunnyman> I had to chown it for doem reason because I lost ice authority
[03:22] <gunnyman> er some reason
[03:22] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  ls -ld $HOME
[03:22] <gunnyman> I am logged in as root at the moment so I could get this far
[03:23] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  ls -ld /nome/yoursuername
[03:23] <gunnyman> k 1 sec
[03:23] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  ls -ld /nome/gunnyman for example
[03:23] <eyequeue> er home
[03:24] <gunnyman> drwxr-xr-x  34 gunny gunny 4096 2005-04-11 18:07 /home/gunny
[03:24] <eyequeue> okay, that is a good start
[03:24] <Hackmo> hey all, I haven't had any updated in a few days, is there a problem or has there just not been any?
[03:24] <gunnyman> wehn I would click on home in laces it would say starting home and just hang
[03:25] <eyequeue> now, tell me if there is anything in that directory you do NOT want owned by gunny
[03:25] <gunnyman> nope I am only user on this machine
[03:25] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  okay, then as root:  chown -R gunny:gunny /home/gunny
[03:26] <zoid> anyone use gdekslets?
[03:26] <crb> I've seen a web page or two about remastering the ubuntu installer cd (not the live CD) to include a different set of packages.  Anyone got it bookmarked or know where it is?
[03:26] <crb> zoid: yep
[03:26] <gunnyman> ok logging on my user acct to test brb
[03:26] <zoid> not many seemd to actually work, heh
[03:26] <darkaudit> zoid: I do... what's up?
[03:26] <eyequeue> gunnyman:  that should make everything under that point user and group gunny
[03:26] <amonkey> darkaudit: x loaded; switching to that comp\
[03:26] <crb> zoid: most are being rewritten to not use sensors any more
[03:26] <zoid> ahh
[03:26] <crb> you can check ~/.gdesklets/gdesklets.0:0.log
[03:27] <crb> and see why they fail
[03:27] <Xappe> the beauty of dark: http://www.deltaconnect.se/~jon/Screenshot2.png
[03:27] <zoid> i'll have to check that out when i get home
[03:27] <crb> you can also download the smartcandy ones from gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[03:27] <crb> they work.
[03:27] <zoid> crb: cool, thanks
[03:27] <crb> Xappe: very... dark.
[03:27] <joemo12> ok i installed nvidia glx, doesnt fix my issue
[03:27] <darkaudit> zoid: most of the gdesklets-data package is obsolete... I suggest using SideCandy from the gdesklets site
[03:27] <gratuit> Xappe: what irc client is that?
[03:28] <joemo12> how do i manually add refresh rates?
[03:28] <Xappe> gratuit, that's a dc client
[03:28] <gratuit> Xappe: ah
[03:28] <gunny> that did it thanks!
[03:28] <joemo12> hello?
[03:28] <gpled> 5.04 seems nice
[03:29] <crb> gpled: indeed
[03:29] <eyequeue> gunny:  my guess is you did something as root, but glad that fixed it
[03:29] <membreya> sooo ...who here is good with MySQL? :P
[03:29] <zoid> one last thing i must say to the ubuntu crew, nice work...just installed it last night and i'm liking what i'm seeing so far :)
[03:30] <amonkey> although win2k3 isn't bad, i definitly prefer good ol' linux
[03:30] <dc0e> membreya: mysql sucks if you want to do real sql -- can't do subqueries.  use postgresql instead.
[03:30] <eyequeue> gunny:  "man chown" should explain how the fix worked, in case it happens again you'll understand
[03:30] <membreya> dc0e: it's just to get mythtv up and running
[03:30] <Edgan> dc0e: with mysql 5.x there are many of the features everyone has been complaining it lacks about for years
[03:31] <gunny> eyeque the only thing I had done just prior to the problem was run kcontrol from my gnome session to fix the font ugliness in my kde apps
[03:31] <darkaudit> too bad they don't make a DirecTV TV card...
[03:31] <Gunblade> Is this where I would go for some help?
[03:31] <amonkey> anyone else having trouble with their icons? my folder icons look like files with the GNOME icons, and my computer icon is a file wiht a small red x in it
[03:31] <dc0e> Edgan: hmmm, i'll have to check that out.  does it support subqueries like select a fro be where not exists select a from c
[03:31] <gunny> what does that -R switch do to chown?
[03:31] <Edgan> amonkey: what version of gtk2 is installed?
[03:31] <crb> recursive
[03:31] <Edgan> dc0e: don't know
[03:31] <eyequeue> gunny:  recursive
[03:32] <dc0e> Edgan: thanks anyway
[03:32] <darkaudit> amonkey: are you on the other machine now?
[03:32] <eyequeue> gunny:  all the way down the tree, iow
[03:32] <amonkey> darkaudit: yup! thanks!
[03:32] <darkaudit> cool! :) glad to help
[03:32] <Edgan> dc0e: postgresql fixed it's need for vacuuming every day?
[03:32] <amonkey> edgan: wich package specificly?
[03:32] <dc0e> anyone know whether it's "ok" to install a warty package into hoary, if there's no corresponding package for hoary?
[03:32] <Edgan> amonkey: gtk2
[03:32] <gunny> excellent I'm not a linux newbie but some stuff about the commandline is still very foreign to me
[03:32] <eyequeue> gunny:  i was guessing you had some x-related dotfile or dotdir that was root owned
[03:33] <gunny> I imagine so
[03:33] <libben> how do i do ICS sharing onto two nicks? i have one that is connected to my xbox, the other one is a wlan card and i wanna surf with my pda wifiing it...
[03:33] <libben> any easy steps for that ?
[03:33] <amonkey> edgan: libgtk2.0-0 is version 2.6.4-0ubuntu3
[03:33] <gunny> now all I need to do is find a quicka nd dirty way to move my /home to my new 160 gig hd
[03:33] <libben> like gui, click on the both cards and choose share?
[03:33] <Gunblade> I am wondering is there anyway to change which workgroup I am on cause browsing through the network in Ubuntu this machine shows up on MSHOME and I want it on WORKGROUP
[03:33] <Edgan> amonkey: ok, because there is a bug like that in 2.6.5, but guess your's is a different problem
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Is the latest XFCE in the Hoary repositories?
[03:34] <nekrataal> hey
[03:34] <Quest-Master> I'm going to move to XFCE.. Gnome is turning my Linux into Windows bit by bit
[03:34] <gratuit> gunny: I've used cp before with no ill effects
[03:34] <amonkey> edgan: what's the fix for 2.6.5, perhaps it will help for this
[03:34] <Edgan> amonkey: 2.6.6 :)
[03:34] <nekrataal> hey, anyone knows how to get skype working on hoary???
[03:34] <amonkey> edgan: lol, 2.6.4 is the highest i see, should i see higher?
[03:34] <Edgan> nekrataal: What is the problem?
[03:34] <gunny> just change fstab to show the new loc?
[03:34] <eyequeue> gunny:  btw, consider making /home its own partition on the new drive
[03:34] <gpled> what is the trick to getting sound in 5.0.4?
[03:35] <gunny> that is what I want to do
[03:35] <Edgan> amonkey: probably not, as I said, your's is likely a different problem
[03:35] <dc0e> membreya: so, i don't know mythtv, what's the mysql problem?
[03:35] <nekrataal> it lock up, when i try to run it normally...
[03:35] <membreya> Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[03:35] <Edgan> nekrataal: try killing esd first
[03:35] <nekrataal> and i cant hear anything when i try to run it using esddsp...
[03:35] <membreya> that's what :(
[03:35] <gunny> I have totally purged mr. gate's software from my machine
[03:35] <libben> u cant..
[03:35] <nekrataal> yes, that works, but the idea is to get it working FINE
[03:35] <libben> how do i do ICS sharing onto two nicks? i have one that is connected to my xbox, the other one is a wlan card and i wanna surf with my pda wifiing it...
[03:35] <Edgan> nekrataal: What sound card are you using?
[03:35] <nekrataal> i mean, dont killing the esd sound daemon
[03:36] <amonkey> edgan: any keyword i can use for a starting point for this problem? wacko icons? dumb folder icons? i want to google it but can't come up with a good query
[03:36] <darkaudit> gunny: this is a brand new box... never *ever* had m$ software installed :)
[03:36] <nekrataal> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[03:36] <dc0e> membreya: iirc, mysql had a single very long document that (among many other things) explains how to set up security.  sorry, it'b been too long for me to give a better hint.  good luck.
[03:36] <gunny> awesome
[03:36] <Edgan> amonkey: I would search the ubuntu forums before google.
[03:36] <membreya> dc0e: would it be grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";
[03:36] <eyequeue> gunny:  i mounted /foo and then cp -aP /home /foo (then change fstab to mount the partition that was foo next time)
[03:36] <gunny> I even have hoary installed on my old lombard powerbook  to me mr jobs is just as bad as mr gates;)
[03:37] <Edgan> nekrataal: ok, so something that doesn't have hardware mixing. Hence esd being required
[03:37] <dc0e> membreya: could be, but i'm no mysql expert -- as i said, i don't like it (but didn't know it's been improved).
[03:37] <nekrataal> Edgan, yes..
[03:37] <eyequeue> gunny:  if you're not comfortable with that btw, mc can be nice
[03:38] <eyequeue> gunny:  (correction) i mounted /foo and then cp -aP /home/* /foo (then change fstab to mount the partition that was foo next time)
[03:38] <Edgan> nekrataal: try this, killall -9 esd ; esd -d /dev/dsp ; esddsp skype
[03:38] <Skiatookian> Anyone else having trouble with the apt repositories tonight?
[03:38] <nekrataal> Edgan, i tried that..
[03:38] <eyequeue> Skiatookian:  which mirror?
[03:38] <nekrataal> Edgan, ive read all over the internet, thats why im asking here..
[03:39] <joemo12> can someone help me correctly setup my hitachi 753 refresh rates, i need help step by step
[03:39] <Edgan> nekrataal: I don't know what you tried :P
[03:39] <gunny> ok so mkdir /foo then mound /dev/hdb1 /foo  the the cp command then change fstab to mount dev/hdb1  to /home ?
[03:39] <amonkey> anyone know how to reposition the enter password box on the screen saver? i'm twinviewing and it comes up between my monitors
[03:39] <nekrataal> Edgan, that, and even installing polypaudio cause it worked on warty...
[03:39] <Edgan> nekrataal: you could try setting up dmix in alsa and then drop esd
[03:40] <joemo12> so none if you know how to change refresh rates? :(
[03:40] <nekrataal> polypaudio works, but it doesnt les anything else play sounds wile skype is running..
[03:40] <Jimbob> joemo12: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[03:40] <eyequeue> gunny:  right, and then a reboot should bring you where you like (oh, and /mv /home /oldhome before the cp, so the cp will be from /oldhome/* to /foo/
[03:40] <Skiatookian> eyequeue, the error I get when I "apt-get update" is "Fetched 569B in 4s (121B/s) Reading package lists... Error! E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[03:40] <Skiatookian> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."
[03:40] <joemo12> jimbob:  no i mean the correct refresh rates are not listed there
[03:40] <eyequeue> gunny:  you can do this as root, so no user is using /home
[03:40] <gunny> ok gotcha
[03:40] <Edgan> nekrataal: You could also get a real sound card with hardware mixing and drop esd
[03:40] <joemo12> jimbob:  i have a hitachi 753 and i dont know how to add those?
[03:41] <toresbe> I did it
[03:41] <amonkey> edgan: i found a forum post describing my problem exactly, solution is too change theme (in case someone else wnaders in here with the same question)
[03:41] <toresbe> I can't believe I did it but I did it
[03:41] <nekrataal> Edgan, that would be perfect...to bad im just a student and have little money..
[03:41] <gunny> would there be a howto on this on the forum? I'll lose all thes instructions as soon as I log in a sroot lol
[03:41] <Jimbob> joemo12: Go find the specs (horizontal and vertical refresh rates) for the monitor, then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:41] <eyequeue> gunny:  the reason for an /oldhome is just so you can revert if somehow things break :)  sudo rm -rf /oldhome after you know the new home is behaving for you
[03:41] <Edgan> nekrataal: You can get a decent sound card for $30
[03:41] <etzerd> Hello room can anyone tell me which debian version should I download
[03:41] <jordanau> toresbe, what did you do?
[03:42] <Jimbob> joemo12: Then log out and hit "CTRL+ALT+Backspace" from the login screen.
[03:42] <toresbe> jordanau: I stole a pair of keys from my orphanage
[03:42] <Edgan> amonkey: so it worked to change the theme?
[03:42] <etzerd> I download the sage 3.1 version it seems that the kernel is 2.4
[03:42] <jordanau> etzerd, debian?? what are you trying to do>
[03:42] <eyequeue> gunny:  no, i was hoping you'd understand the concepts. 1-mount /foo, 2- cp everything to it, 3-set up fstab so a rebot will use it
[03:42] <nekrataal> Edgan, ok, ill check it out..
[03:42] <Jimbob> joemo12: When it asks you for the monitor config style, select 'advanced'
[03:42] <etzerd> install the os
[03:42] <jordanau> toresbe, way to go
[03:42] <toresbe> jordanau: I
[03:42] <gunny> I got it IQ
[03:43] <etzerd> Jordanau: I like Debian but I cannot install it
[03:43] <toresbe> jordanau: I'm preparing to make a quick escape if she finds out
[03:43] <amonkey> edgan: not completly, my computer icon is still phucked but my folder icons are back
[03:43] <Dr_Aevil> etzerd: erm, this is #ubuntu not #debian... :)
[03:43] <eyequeue> etzerd:  debian support is in #debian, not #ubuntu
[03:43] <jordanau> toresbe, :
[03:43] <jordanau> )
[03:43] <etzerd> I did install it last night all   I can have is 800 by 600 where I have an ATI graphic card with 128 meg of memory
[03:43] <jordanau> how do you screw up a smiley...
[03:44] <gunny> I can also for sake of simplicity, just mount /dev/hdb1 in /home and make a new user right? or am I missing something?
[03:44] <jordanau> etzerd, did you edit Xorg.conf?
[03:44] <etzerd> no
[03:44] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: if he's using debian 3.1 he will not have an xorg.conf
[03:44] <Dr_Aevil> etzerd: join #debian
[03:44] <eyequeue> gunny:  well, you will have the old user still in /etc/passwd and /etc/hadow (and /etc/group) but yes
[03:45] <eyequeue> shadow
[03:45] <jordanau> etzerd, i thought he was talking about ubuntu...
[03:45] <toresbe> etzerd: join #debian or install Ubuntu, your choice :)
[03:45] <Edgan> nekrataal: http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php/page_id=59/form_keyword=live%2521+5.1
[03:45] <gunny> excellent thank you for all the help :)
[03:45] <amonkey> edgan: might be worth noting, it's only the "go" menu of the file browser that has the messed icons now, everywhere else seems to work.
[03:45] <etzerd> I'm talking to you through Ubuntu
[03:45] <eyequeue> jordanau:  for some reason etzerd is expecting debian support in #ubuntu rather than in #debian
[03:45] <Edgan> amonkey: log out and back in, will probably fix that
[03:45] <etzerd> Ubuntu is so easy to install
[03:45] <jordanau> Off topic: does anyone watch arrested development?
[03:45] <toresbe> etzerd: then why not use it?
[03:45] <kdp> YES
[03:46] <Edgan> nekrataal: stay away from the live! 7.1, different driver that is still in development
[03:46] <kdp> last night was hilarious
[03:46] <amonkey> edgan: will try
[03:46] <jordanau> well www.getarrested.com
[03:46] <kdp> hahaha already done it
[03:46] <eyequeue> etzerd:  /part #ubuntu    /join #debian   if you want debian
[03:46] <etzerd> toresbe: I think you are right Ubuntu work fine. I was just trying Debian for fun because I heard people said it is hard to install
[03:47] <nekrataal> Edgan, thanks
[03:47] <nekrataal> hey, how can i send a mail from bash?
[03:47] <toresbe> etzerd: then why do it?! :)
[03:47] <toresbe> nekrataal: mutt
[03:47] <toresbe> nekrataal: or "mail", surprisingly :P
[03:47] <eyequeue> nekrataal:  man mail :)
[03:47] <nekrataal> eyequeue, ok
[03:47] <Dr_Aevil> debian install is fine, but you have to already know linux and what you're doing :P
[03:47] <gpled> amost sure this is my sound card:  isapnp: Card 'CS4235 CODEC'
[03:47] <gpled> how can i manualy mod load it?
[03:47] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: I don't have flash installed, is it worth installing flash for? :)
[03:48] <jordanau> yes cause you can sign a petition about keeping it on air
[03:48] <eyequeue> nekrataal:  mutt would be my MUA of choice there, if you meant that, but 'mail' is a one-line-send type app if you need it in a script
[03:48] <kdp> fox is stupid w/the website designs
[03:48] <Dr_Aevil> hmm, I best watch an episode first then :) I wonder if it shows in the UK
[03:48] <StR> hi there...
[03:48] <infinito> anybody know howto show volume icons on desktop using hoary????
[03:49] <kdp> Dr_Aevil: bittorrent?
[03:49] <jordanau> Dr_Aevil, if you gove me your name i will pledge for you
[03:49] <infinito> im getting mad!!
[03:49] <jordanau> gove/give
[03:49] <StR> I'm trying to compile my kernel... but I get: You must install ncurses-devel
[03:49] <eyequeue> infinito:  defaults to havibg a little speaker icon in the top right
[03:49] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: /whois dr_aevil :)
[03:49] <Dr_Aevil> this show best not suck :)
[03:49] <kdp> watch out! infinito is turning into the hulk
[03:49] <StR> anyone knows what pkg should I install?
[03:49] <jordanau> oh wait you have never seen it
[03:49] <jordanau> ?
[03:50] <Dr_Aevil> no, that's what I'm saying hehe, probably doesn't show in the UK
[03:50] <kdp> Dr_Aevil: oh, its the only good show on american TV nemore
[03:50] <eyequeue> StR:  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[03:50] <Dr_Aevil> kdp: hmm, maybe :P
[03:50] <Xappe> it's getting better: http://www.deltaconnect.se/~jon/Screenshot2.png
[03:50] <Dr_Aevil> but obviously we'd never condone that :)
[03:50] <StR> eyequeue: thanks
[03:50] <calc> does gnome bittorrent actually verify the file you are trying to resume is the same file you are trying to download?
[03:50] <eyequeue> StR:  np
[03:50] <toresbe> calc: yes
[03:50] <jordanau> Dr_Aevil, it is the closest we americans have to y'alls classic comedy
[03:50] <calc> ok
[03:51] <eyequeue> StR:  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev build-essential, to be sure you have everything else too
[03:51] <kdp> hehehehehhehe british comedy...silly are you being served
[03:51] <Dr_Aevil> Xappe: ! you took a picture of us, and our hair was messy :(
[03:51] <nekrataal> eyequeue, yes, i need it for a script, thanks
[03:51] <eleusis> hi
[03:51] <Xappe> Dr_Aevil: oh, yes
[03:52] <Dr_Aevil> sadly, all the good comedy is ancient now.  the only shows I find funny atm you prob won't get unless you know the contemporary british tv shows etc
[03:52] <Dr_Aevil> well, the new dr. who is pretty much comedy :)
[03:53] <eyequeue> red skelton jackie gleason and desi arnaz
[03:53] <kdp> Dr_Aevil: you mean the british house of commons isnt comedy?
[03:53] <kdp> :-)
[03:53] <eyequeue> cspan is still on-air i think too
[03:53] <smouche> "are you being served" I can't stand, but "the Office" -- genius!
[03:53] <Dr_Aevil> kdp: heheh, by that age their paper aeroplanes are very impressive.  Really accurate and pointy, hurt too I imagine :)
[03:54] <kdp> hahaha i just love how they actually make obscene hand gestures and boo while others are talking
[03:54] <Dr_Aevil> smouche: yes, the office is good :) set in slough for extra-horribleness and I actually cringe to watch it
[03:55] <kdp> the american version has its moments :-)
[03:55] <smouche> I didn't know there was an American version!
[03:55] <Dr_Aevil> I watched an episode of that, I thought it was pretty good
[03:55] <kdp> smouche: on NBC tuesdays
[03:55] <SirFunk> herm.. so there's currently no -dev version of ubuntu?
[03:55] <smouche> wow
[03:56] <eyequeue> SirFunk:  what are you looking for?
[03:56] <nurv> i have a problem with gnome-panel and xcompmgr. I use flag -C and still he draws a shadow in gnome panel. Can any one help me?
[03:56] <smouche> a Canadian show called "the Newsroom" was great satire too
[03:56] <eyequeue> SirFunk:  sudo apt-get install build-essential?
[03:56] <SirFunk> eyequeue: 2.6.11 kernel, newer hal, and mono for ubuntu64
[03:57] <etranger> hi, I am wondering if these are the correct procedures for adding language packs:
[03:57] <sal002> Anyone using a Unichrome graphics adaptor here (Via chipset)?
[03:57] <Dr_Aevil> kdp: heeh, the hand gestures aren't normally obscene, they're usually just calling each other names :)  Personally I quite enjoy it :) very adversarial.  The house or lords just isn't the same now the old hereditary peers are mostly gone
[03:57] <toresbe> SirFunk: Windey or whatever is coming out soon
[03:57] <eyequeue> SirFunk:  no idea what the latter two are, but sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11 is available in hoary
[03:58] <toresbe> Windy Winscreenwiper or something
[03:58] <kdp> lol
[03:58] <eyequeue> SirFunk:  breezy has not started yet, if you meant that
[03:58] <SirFunk> eyequeue: oh yeah, silly me.. just the ati drivers don't work with that.. heh i forgot about that... i think the problem i'm actually having though is with hal, not the kernel
[03:58] <etranger> apt-get install language-support <country code>
[03:58] <SirFunk> i had the same problem w/ a FC4t1
[03:58] <amonkey> edgan: worked
[03:58] <SirFunk> that problem being, my firewire drive doesn't show up
[03:58] <Edgan> amonkey: cool
[03:58] <toresbe> ah, breezy bartender... butthead...uh..hmm..
[03:58] <etranger> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:58] <eyequeue> breezy badger
[03:58] <etranger> is this all there is to it?
[03:59] <toresbe> breezy burlesque
[03:59] <kdp> breezy fo-feezy
[03:59] <toresbe> etranger: yep
[03:59] <Dr_Aevil> toresbe: was that an intentional play on words? I mean did you say windy knowing it was breezy? if not that's a great example of the way the memory works :)
[03:59] <eleusis> hmm
[03:59] <etranger> toresbe: hmm, so not many manpages have been translated then, yet?
[03:59] <toresbe> Dr_Aevil: I know :)
[03:59] <toresbe> etranger: no...  :\
[03:59] <alkirk> I am having concerns with configuring X
[03:59] <toresbe> etranger: what's votre sprache?
[03:59] <etranger> toresbe: mmm, french
[04:00] <etranger> but I have it set to german now
[04:00] <toresbe> etranger: ah, then, help translate! :)
[04:00] <etranger> because I am trying to learn german =)
[04:00] <KillerBee> hello. Could some one tell me how I can acces my windows partition from the live cd
[04:00] <toresbe> etranger: Mon dieu... Pour quoi? :)
[04:00] <Dr_Aevil> KillerBee: is it ntfs or fat?
[04:00] <KillerBee> fat
[04:01] <Epicenter713> Is there a good reason for VLC and Ogle to report no DVD Encryption support is available, when libdvdread3 is installed?
[04:01] <etranger> toresbe: it's the ubuntu spirit of multiculturalism in me :)
[04:01] <toresbe> etranger: hehe, at least learn a cool language...
[04:01] <toresbe> like japanese! :)
[04:01] <KillerBee> do i have to mount -t auto devive location?
[04:01] <toresbe> speaking of which, I'm testing that right now
[04:01] <kdp> Epicenter713: i think you may need libdvdcss2
[04:01] <KillerBee> or does it autodetect
[04:01] <Dr_Aevil> KillerBee: do you know the drive designation? as in a terminal you can type "mkdir /mnt/tmp;mount -t vfat /dev/<hd?? /mnt/tmp"
[04:01] <samuel> is there any way to use xprint in firefox?
[04:02] <samuel> shouldnt it "just work"
[04:02] <Epicenter713> kdp: Not found in normal ubuntu or universe :P
[04:02] <samuel> ?
[04:02] <KillerBee> ah so it has no autodetection
[04:02] <kdp> Epicenter713: marillat
[04:02] <etranger> hmm.
[04:02] <Epicenter713> marillat?
[04:02] <etranger> I have another question.
[04:02] <Epicenter713> another repository?
[04:02] <kdp> yes
[04:02] <whiskers> samuel, firefox already prints...there is a printer extension or you can select and paste to gedit and print there
[04:02] <eyequeue> Epicenter713:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:02] <Epicenter713> thx
[04:02] <etranger> us-intl as a keyboard layout is available only in iso-8891 or whatever codepage that is
[04:02] <KillerBee> im interested on giving ubuntu live cds to a few people that want to try linux
[04:02] <Dr_Aevil> KillerBee: not that I've noticed, or rather it doesn't react on that.  During an install you can configure mount points of course but hmm, no the default behaviour is not to automount partitions atm it seems
[04:02] <etranger> is there a way to get UTF-8 us-intl in console?
[04:03] <whiskers> samble, but the printer extension for firefox is not very useful since it wants to print a whole page instead of the selected text
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> KillerBee: cool... i do that
[04:03] <Epicenter713> where is this Marillat?
[04:03] <eyequeue> Epicenter713:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats tells how
[04:03] <whiskers> samble, but anyway it is already capable of doing that...you don't need xprint
[04:03] <wastrel> hello i'm upgrading from warty->hoary following the instructions here for apt-get:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[04:03] <eruin> print range - "selection"
[04:03] <kdp> whiskers: unless firefox crashes when you print
[04:03] <samuel> whiskers, im sorry... could you be a little clearer with me plz?
[04:03] <KillerBee> yea but without win partitions auto mount or at least fstab creation of win partitions it is quite hard unatractive for a first timer
[04:03] <etranger> it is difficult to IRC in anything other than UTF-8 these days in international channels and I can' t do accents in console without us-intl (deadkeys)
[04:04] <wastrel> i finished the dist-upgrade and am doing apt-get install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop and it wants to remove a ton of files
[04:04] <whiskers> kdp, hasn't crashed here yet...except for weird pages that have videos on them
[04:04] <kdp> well then! i guess it doesnt lik eme
[04:04] <whiskers> kdp, but you should not try to print those anyway
[04:04] <Dr_Aevil> Epicenter713: yeee seek the famed repository of knowledge? then add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:04] <wastrel> and additionally has a WARNING that a ton of files can't be authenticated
[04:04] <nekrataal> can the mail comand send mail to pop servers??
[04:04] <bob2> nekrataal: that's not how email works (no)
[04:04] <alkirk> I am trying to configutre X with a Nvidia driver.  Right now I get the Nvidia spashscreen but it seems like it's a framebuffer window that's locked at ^)hz.
[04:04] <bob2> wastrel: you mean packages, not files
[04:04] <eyequeue> nekrataal:  you send to smtp not to pop, pop is retrival protocol
[04:05] <wastrel> bob2 you are correct i mean packages not files
[04:05] <samuel> whiskers, i do need xprint for print to pdf and the like
[04:05] <KillerBee> if I do a install how will I have the choice of mount points? linux standard? will I at least get a list of mountable points
[04:05] <nekrataal> eyequeue, ok, can i send to smtp?
[04:05] <Dr_Aevil> KillerBee: I completely agree, I'm afraid I don't know why that isn't the default behaviour
[04:05] <samuel> whiskers, is there a way to use xprint in firefox?
[04:05] <eruin> KillerBee: you won't get a list
[04:05] <wastrel> bob2 i am concerned because some of the packages that are to be removed look important,
[04:05] <whiskers> samble, no you don't ....ggv or that gnome app prints pdf fine....but you have to configure it with a print command
[04:05] <eleusis> is it possible to install ubuntu using the livecd?
[04:05] <eyequeue> nekrataal: send to the email address, using mail -s subj, see man mail
[04:05] <wastrel>   fglrx-driver fglrx-driver-dev freeglut3-dev glutg3-dev host libglu1-mesa
[04:05] <wastrel>   libglu1-mesa-dev libglut3-dev mesa-common-dev mesag-dev mesag3
[04:05] <bob2> wastrel: ok...
[04:06] <mlambie> when's breezy getting forked? ie, when do I update my sources.list? :)
[04:06] <StR> ho has installed the closed driver for nvidia?
[04:06] <nekrataal> eyequeue, i readed the man mail...
[04:06] <bob2> eleusis: no
[04:06] <eruin> a decent fstab gui has been suggested on the ubuntu-devel list though
[04:06] <eleusis> no? :-\
[04:06] <imperfect-> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/comic_tot14.gif
[04:06] <eruin> and someone there was working on one
[04:06] <bob2> mlambie: it's been like 3 days, they're all still drink
[04:06] <alkirk> Look on the main screen of Marillat's site.  It tells you how to resolve the authentication issues.
[04:06] <bob2> er, drunk
[04:06] <nekrataal> but when i try to send a mail, it just stays there...
[04:06] <KillerBee> yes it is a very good ideea
[04:06] <Epicenter713> It says to add this ftp as a repository, but I see no option in synaptic to add such a thing, just to select one of the same 4 choices, hoary, universe, multiverse, security. Can't I just put this in my /apt/sources.list somehow?
[04:06] <Epicenter713> I like that more
[04:06] <mlambie> bob2: I thought as much. I'll wait until Sydney :)
[04:06] <bob2> nekrataal: you need to configure your local MTA if you want to use the mail command
[04:06] <Epicenter713> DR_Aevil: Thanks!
[04:06] <eyequeue> nekrataal:  mail -s "subject line here" nekrataal@example.com
[04:06] <bob2> Epicenter713: what says to add what?
[04:07] <wastrel> nekrataal:  if you want the mailx command to be able to sent internet email you need a functional smtp server on your machine to handle it.  mailx does not do SMTP
[04:07] <Epicenter713> bob2: nevermind
[04:07] <alkirk> I have
[04:07] <TobyK> What's the best way to make sure that everything in /var/www/ and it's subdirectories is at least chmod 644 at all times?
[04:07] <KillerBee> for the time being is there any nice fstab gui in portage
[04:07] <KillerBee> ops i mean...
[04:07] <alkirk> Using the Ubuntu packages
[04:07] <euphoria> if I connect to server in Nautilus and it shows up mounted on my desktop, does it actually get mounted anywhere in the filesystem?
[04:08] <eyequeue> TobyK:  sudo chmod -R 644 /var/www in a crontab
[04:08] <TobyK> Thanks.
[04:08] <nnonix> What kernel should I use with a P4 HT Processor? I can't find much on the web and what I have found conflicts.
[04:08] <whiskers> samble, i printed a 14 page cups pdf doc just to test that postscript viewer in gnome just to test ggv or whatever it is called and it printed perfect
[04:08] <whiskers> samble, but you have to configure it
[04:08] <wastrel> so is it ok to continue with my installation with these packages being removed?  and what does this warning mean that "The following packages cannot be authenticated!"
[04:08] <alkirk> StR
[04:08] <bob2> euphoria: no
[04:08] <Marble2> what browsers can I use besides firefox
[04:08] <eyequeue> TobyK:  but beware, some things are hidden by intent (.htpasswd for examplE?)
[04:08] <Dr_Aevil> nnonix: one with SMP enabled, so SMP in its name, and for 686.  You can always make your own.
[04:08] <Marble2> in ubuntu
[04:08] <bob2> nnonix: 686 or 386
[04:09] <wastrel> Marble2:  mozilla
[04:09] <wastrel> Marble2:  also galeon
[04:09] <bob2> wastrel: this is when going from warty to hoary?
[04:09] <euphoria> bob2: thanks
[04:09] <eyequeue> wastrel:  sounds like you have non-ubuntu repos
[04:09] <wastrel> bob2:  yes that is correct
[04:09] <bob2> Marble2: mozilla, epiphany, galeon...
[04:09] <whiskers> samble, configure it with the right print commands for whatever type of printer and driver you are using
[04:09] <wastrel> eyequeue ah yes i do have non-ubu repos.
[04:09] <eyequeue> wastrel:  man apt-key, but you need the key for them first
[04:09] <bob2> wastrel: is another firegl package being installed?
[04:10] <nekrataal> wastrel, wich smtp server whould you recomend??
[04:10] <bob2> nekrataal: you already have postfix installed
[04:10] <eyequeue> wastrel:  (hoary now authenticates, much safer)
[04:10] <wastrel> i see
[04:10] <Enkidu> hey guys, im still having problems with my sound not working, any ideas?
[04:10] <nnonix> bob2: I don't know, asking for a friend buying hardware ..... want to give the best advice I can.
[04:11] <nekrataal> ok...ill check it out
[04:11] <nnonix> Dr_Aevil: I read that ... but some say it slows down their performance. Anything to that?
[04:11] <bob2> nnonix: that was me saying "either will work fine"
[04:11] <alkirk> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:11] <eyequeue> wastrel:  btw, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base foo bar baz, if foo bar and baz are being removed, then see what errors it gives in explanation
[04:11] <etranger> hmm, is there a daemon running in the background that checks every so often for updates, or shall I have to run apt-get upgrade myself every so often?
[04:11] <emacsen> What is the default audio device in Ubuntu? Neither audacity nor glame work
[04:11] <etranger> on a vanilla install
[04:12] <nnonix> bob2: sorry .... I'm reading you, Dr_ and 4 others who pm'd me
[04:12] <niran> etranger, in hoary, it checks once a day to see if there are updates, and puts an icon in the notification area if there are
[04:12] <wastrel> eyequeue:  i don't understand why ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop would install packages from non-ubuntu repositories.
[04:12] <eyequeue> etranger:  you should sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade, (the update being necessary) to be sure it knows about any security upgrades (or use synpatic, in the gui)
[04:12] <niran> etranger, so no, you never really need to run apt-get upgrade manually
[04:12] <Dr_Aevil> nnonix: I have a p4 3.2ghz and I prefer it with SMP and HT on.  I just tend to multitask a lot so the parallel processing of threads helps.  If you're running one CPU intensive mono-threaded app it won't make a diff but of course few do that on a desktop.  even some games are multi-threaded, e.g. ut2k4 has a seperate thread for its sound.
[04:12] <bob2> wastrel: because they depend on package names, not locations
[04:13] <bob2> wastrel: I'd strongly discourage trying to update with non-ubuntu sources in your sources.list, tho
[04:13] <etranger> excellent.
[04:13] <] BreliC[> wow, that was a great 24
[04:13] <wastrel> bob2:  i wanted some software that wasn't packaged by ubuntu :] 
[04:13] <eyequeue> wastrel:  okay, try this for a sec.  comment out *all* non-ubuntu repos, then apt-get update, then apt-get install u-base and u-desk
[04:14] <TobyK> eyequeue: Wasn't the solution I was looking for, apparently.
[04:14] <Dr_Aevil> non-ubuntu repos are generally not a good idea. I noticed that the Marillat repo will break an apt-get isntall mplayer atm if multiverse is selected too as they both contain it.
[04:14] <eyequeue> wastrel:  get the upgrade of *ubuntu* done, then re-enable the other repos, apt-get update, and see what apt-get upgrade says it wants to do
[04:14] <bob2> wastrel: what eyequeue said
[04:14] <wastrel> it is a fine idea
[04:14] <sal002> No one else uses the Unichrome driver with xorg?
[04:15] <wastrel> yeah no more WARNING
[04:15] <Dr_Aevil> so long as there's binary compatibility yes, wastrel :)
[04:15] <wastrel> still wants to remove stuffs
[04:15] <nnonix> Dr_Aevil: Great ... I'll just have him apt linux-686-smp then. Thanks .... you too bob2
[04:15] <eyequeue> wastrel:  well, the warning was marillat :)  almost a guarantee :)
[04:15] <wastrel> yeah it was
[04:15] <Dr_Aevil> nnonix: np, there is also a specific HT option int he kernel config
[04:15] <TobyK> eyequeue: Basically, I want to ensure that anything that's in, or ever enters /var/www/ can be displayed in a web browser.
[04:15] <libben> http://www.ettklickforskogen.se/klicket.asp
[04:15] <bob2> wastrel: paste what apt wants to do to #flood
[04:16] <bob2> wastrel: (the whole thing, not just the removals)
[04:16] <wastrel> too late already accepted :] 
[04:16] <Dr_Aevil> nnonix: CONFIG_X86_HT=y I think
[04:16] <alkirk> Could anyone assist me with my X issue?
[04:16] <bob2> alkirk: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:17] <bob2> start over with  that
[04:17] <eyequeue> wastrel:  go here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[04:17] <serfurj_> is ubuntu good for non-X installations?
[04:17] <eleusis> yeah, why not :P
[04:18] <bob2> serfurj_: yes
[04:18] <eyequeue> serfurj_:  yes, select "server" i think it's called, from the install cd .... press the various F-keys to see
[04:18] <bob2> wastrel: you might need to redo the  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ati stuff
[04:18] <serfurj_> eleusis: just wondering.  all the reviews i've read rave about the desktop.
[04:18] <eleusis> :)
[04:18] <etranger> by the way, there seems to be some problem with sound on some applications.
[04:18] <etranger> is there a way to fix this on the system-level rather than having to tune every application?
[04:18] <bob2> serfurj_: it's a good server, too...6 monthly releases, a good selection of supported software, etc
[04:18] <etranger> xmms, for example, requires esd to be used.
[04:18] <eleusis> etranger, what's the problem?
[04:18] <bob2> etranger: they should all use esd
[04:19] <etranger> oh.
[04:19] <eleusis> umm
[04:19] <wastrel> <3 binarydriver
[04:19] <bob2> etranger: it has to be done per-application, but the defaults could be changed to that
[04:19] <eleusis> why is esd required?
[04:19] <bob2> or everything could use alsa with dmix
[04:19] <etranger> eleusis: not using esd freezes xmms
[04:19] <serfurj_> bob2: cool.  actually, i was thinking about installing it on my old laptop (133 mhz cpu, 32 mb ram)
[04:19] <daaku> i'm trying to figure out what the standard serial port driver is..
[04:19] <bob2> eleusis: because otherwise only one program can open the sounde device for output
[04:19] <bob2> serfurj_: ah, you will probably want to disable some startup stuff
[04:19] <eleusis> bob2, only if you have a sucky sound card ;)
[04:20] <bob2> eleusis: heh, my sblive is awesome, too ;)
[04:20] <etranger> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[04:20] <eleusis> sblive \o/
[04:20] <eleusis> :D
[04:20] <bob2> but IBM doesn't put emu10k1's in their laptops, sadly
[04:20] <etranger> well, certain applications don't work.
[04:20] <eleusis> i did try to get alsa's mixer thing workig
[04:20] <eleusis> +n
[04:20] <eleusis> but i gave up.. :P
[04:20] <bob2> etranger: 'esddsp application' might work
[04:21] <alkirk> bob2, Have installed. get spash screen. However I seem to still be getting the framebuffer window locked at 60 HZ.
[04:21] <eleusis> mhmm
[04:21] <bob2> alkirk: I don't know what you mean by "framebuffer window"
[04:22] <joemo12> where are the modlines for ubuntu stored?
[04:22] <joemo12> i checked xorg.conf but there are no modlines there
[04:22] <joemo12> is xorg.conf the right file??
[04:22] <GoneBoB> there is no modelines in the config file
[04:22] <GoneBoB> you don't need them
[04:22] <GoneBoB> you can add your own if you like though
[04:22] <alkirk> The window doesn't go full screen.
[04:22] <toresbe> anyone know how to get GNOME to speak Japanese?
[04:23] <alkirk> And changing the frequency from 60 HZ is not possible.
[04:24] <joemo12> gonebob:  Where do i add them too?
[04:24] <joemo12> gonebob:  I generated new modlines cause it detected the wrong refresh rate
[04:24] <joemo12> gonebob:  where do i add those so it will fix everything?
[04:25] <alkirk> I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg changing the driver from nv to nvidia.
[04:25] <Dr_Aevil> joemo12: you changed the monitor H and V sync to the correct values in the Monitor stanza in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:25] <alkirk> Several times.
[04:26] <joemo12> dr:  Nope
[04:26] <joemo12> dr:  those values are wrong tho
[04:26] <Dr_Aevil> joemo12: change them to the correct ones
[04:26] <joemo12> so by changing those it will fix everything instead?
[04:26] <joemo12> dr:  so this will fix it?
[04:26] <Dr_Aevil> joemo12: in the screen section you should have subsections describing the display resolututions, check they're ok too
[04:27] <Dr_Aevil> joemo12: check then the correct default depth is set
[04:27] <Dr_Aevil> joemo12: and that should be ok then
[04:27] <Dr_Aevil> same goes for you alkirk
[04:27] <wastrel> rebooting... here goes nothing :] 
[04:28] <rOss^32> quick question about synaptic resources .. im looking for kasablanca ftp program but i dont see it in the tree ?
[04:28] <joemo12> dr i changed the rates in the file
[04:28] <alkirk> I'll check them once more.
[04:28] <Dr_Aevil> when I did  a proper ubuntu install it didn't set up my file correctly unfortunately.  e.g. no monitor recognition and, as a result, a max res of 1280x1024 in all depths
[04:28] <joemo12> dr:  So now if i reboot it will show the higher refresh rates in screen resolutions?
[04:28] <whiskers> Marble2, there are a lot of browsers out there...just check gentoo...but which one do you want to use
[04:29] <joemo12> thank goodness i found a website for someone with my full monitor specs since they were selling em used (its an old one)
[04:29] <epicenter> VLC is for some reason, unable to play sound when I have KDE open (it says it cannot open /dev/dsp). When I am using Gnome it's fine. I tried killing ESD and it didn't help. What am I missing here? ...
[04:29] <Dr_Aevil> joemo12: if you set it correctly you won't need to use that app.  Just press your monitor's menu buttong to check the refresh rate it's actually using. Also, there's no need to reboot.  Log out of gnome and log back in to restart the x-server.
[04:29] <epicenter> other apps like Tuxracer, XMMS, all play sound
[04:29] <ShadowRage> okay
[04:29] <epicenter> it says it is using OSS output. Can I make it ALSA?
[04:30] <ShadowRage> so if I were to upgrade warty to hoary, I could do it via CD?
[04:30] <rOss^32> epicenter kill artds
[04:30] <epicenter> artsd?
[04:30] <ShadowRage> like insert hoary and do an apt-get upgrade?
[04:30] <whiskers> epicenter, kde uses arts not esd
[04:30] <epicenter> perfect
[04:30] <whiskers> epicenter, now you can configure kde to not use arts
[04:30] <epicenter> is there any point keeping it running at all?
[04:30] <whiskers> epicenter, and you won't have those problems
[04:31] <eleusis> KDE uses artsd for event sounds
[04:31] <epicenter> OK, so I can kiss those goodbye
[04:31] <Dr_Aevil> ShadowRage: yes, you could, using the CD as a source, though you can just change all refs to warty in your /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary and then type sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:31] <Dr_Aevil> ShadowRage: make sure you always dist-upgrade rather than upgrade as it handles dependencies better
[04:32] <eleusis> heh
[04:32] <serfurj_> i looked into ubuntu a while back.  but i went on my way as soon as i saw the big graphics with the naked people staring up at me.
[04:32] <eleusis> :-\
[04:32] <Dr_Aevil> they were hardly naked
[04:32] <serfurj_> the little cartoon is fine.
[04:32] <eleusis> speaking of..
[04:33] <eleusis> where do the photos come from? :P
[04:33] <Dr_Aevil> yeesh, what a bunch of prudes were shaken out by that picture :)
[04:33] <ShadowRage> Dr_Aevil: I know that frm debian
[04:33] <whiskers> serfurj_, hey what do you expect from Africans...they are so poor they can't afford any clothes
[04:33] <guadiana> my samba server is up, can i ping an ip of my land But in graphic mode don't rule. Any idea? Thanks
[04:33] <Dr_Aevil> O_o
[04:33] <wastrel> :] 
[04:33] <alkirk> possible problem:  HorizSync	28-51	VertRefresh	43-60
[04:33] <wastrel> <3 hoary
[04:33] <eleusis> :>
[04:33] <whiskers> serfurj_, we have some Americans like that here...they call them streakers
[04:33] <membreya> praise the lord..it's take me like 3 hours..but I have mythtv running :P
[04:33] <ShadowRage> ubuntu didnt like that old piece of shit computer I tested it on
[04:33] <Dr_Aevil> ShadowRage: cool :) yeah, though adding the Hoary CD as a source should do the trick :), though obviously you won't have the universe packages...which are quite a lot :)
[04:34] <ShadowRage> of course it was an old piece of shit I'm about to gut and throw away because the mobo has some serious issues.
[04:34] <guadiana> ?
[04:34] <epicenter> god, why is VLC running so slow? ... my CPU is an Athlon 64, it should not use 99% of my CPU and STILL be choppy playing a DVD.
[04:34] <whiskers> serfurj_, they run through the streets naked...like that Lady Gadiva stuff
[04:34] <eleusis> haha
[04:34] <ShadowRage> Dr_Aevil: I mean.. I knew about the dist upgrade thing
[04:34] <ShadowRage> :P
[04:34] <ShadowRage> the command
[04:34] <membreya> epicenter: DMA
[04:34] <Dr_Aevil> ShadowRage: I know what you meant :)
[04:34] <ShadowRage> I wasnt sure ubuntu could do that
[04:34] <epicenter> membreya: what about DMA?
[04:35] <eleusis> of course it can
[04:35] <membreya> is it enabled epicenter
[04:35] <eleusis> epicenter, make sure DMA is enabled on that drive
[04:35] <serfurj_> whiskers: that's fine.. but not on my linux
[04:35] <epicenter> How would I check?
[04:35] <Dr_Aevil> epicenter: hdparm /dev/<drive>
[04:35] <ShadowRage> now that leaves me to 2 486's one pmac.. one p100 and this comp
[04:35] <serfurj_> just not professional
[04:35] <Dr_Aevil> epicenter: hdparm -d1 /dev/<drive> to turn it on if it's off
[04:35] <epicenter> It isn't.
[04:35] <whiskers> serfurj_, just be glad you don't live in the US with these freaks and wierdos
[04:35] <membreya> hdparm -d /dev/(dvd drive)
[04:35] <serfurj_> whiskers: actually i do
[04:35] <whiskers> serfurj_, that is very sad
[04:35] <whiskers> serfurj_, i want out
[04:36] <membreya> on top of what Dr_Aevil said..you need to do hdparm -d1 as sudo :P
[04:36] <serfurj_> whiskers: and i'm about to move into the center of it all
[04:36] <epicenter> Thanks!
[04:36] <serfurj_> whiskers: los angeles
[04:36] <eleusis> :)
[04:36] <ShadowRage> cant you just do sudo bash if you want a root shell?
[04:36] <whiskers> serfurj_, hey i hear Los Angeles is as bad as Houston
[04:36] <whiskers> serfurj_, hey you will regret it
[04:36] <bob2> ShadowRage: or sudo -s
[04:36] <eleusis> ShadowRage, apparently..
[04:36] <ShadowRage> k
[04:36] <Dr_Aevil> it should be on by default though epicenter so I half-suspect there may be another problem
[04:36] <Dr_Aevil> hopefully not though :)
[04:36] <epicenter> It is a shitty drive :P
[04:37] <ShadowRage> whiskers: los angeles is a shithole.
[04:37] <ShadowRage> most of it anyway
[04:37] <serfurj_> ShadowRage: you live there?
[04:37] <membreya> ShadowRage: sudo bash = sudo -s :P
[04:37] <whiskers> ShadowRage, the whole US is a shithole...it only serves the richest capitalist pigs.
[04:37] <eleusis> hahaha
[04:37] <Dr_Aevil> ShadowRage: you could, or use the menu, system tools-->root terminal
[04:37] <epicenter> whiskers: Oh, thanks. At least wait till I leave the room. :P
[04:37] <ShadowRage> it got so bad they disowned south central LA and made it into its own city because they didnt want it associated with LA
[04:37] <serfurj_> whiskers: not true.
[04:37] <epicenter> It's very nice here.
[04:37] <epicenter> Extremely nice.
[04:37] <whiskers> serfurj_, yes it is true
[04:38] <joemo12> dr:  It does higher than before rates, but still doesnt do the full rates its capable of
[04:38] <whiskers> serfurj_, i know from experience
[04:38] <ShadowRage> whiskers: I live around 40 miles away from it
[04:38] <epicenter> You have more personal freedoms here in the US than anywhere I know, the standard of living is high.
[04:38] <joemo12> dr:  How do i fix this ?
[04:38] <ShadowRage> serfurj_: er.. I live 40 miles away from it
[04:38] <whiskers> serfurj_, i am surrounded by rich homosexuals and transvestites
[04:38] <whiskers> serfurj_, i want out
[04:38] <] BreliC[> epicenter, sure, for those who have money
[04:38] <serfurj_> whiskers: it might be in the future.. if things keep going in the direction they are
[04:38] <epicenter> You don't have to be rich to enjoy this country. :P
[04:38] <whiskers> epicenter, bullshit
[04:38] <epicenter> Countries which are poor require you to have less; it's a proportion
[04:38] <ShadowRage> whiskers: move to a poor african nation where the belief of getting rid of aids is raping virgins.
[04:39] <whiskers> epicenter, everything in this country is based on money
[04:39] <eleusis> rofl
[04:39] <epicenter> Uh, welcome to Earth, whiskers
[04:39] <] BreliC[> epicenter, and certainly the least well off are better than, say, a third world country, but the lowest 40% income earners are worse off now than they were 20 years ago in absolute terms
[04:39] <epicenter> This world is all about money.
[04:39] <joemo12> epicenter nah
[04:39] <epicenter> Unfortunately, joemo12, yeah.
[04:39] <eleusis> and naked people
[04:39] <epicenter> ahahahahah
[04:39] <epicenter> sex and money rule this world.
[04:39] <mink> has anyone used Terminal Server Client, if so how do you exit it once remotely connected, in fullscreen ?
[04:39] <epicenter> Whether we want to admit it or not
[04:39] <ShadowRage> kubuntu = ubuntu  - gnome + kde ?
[04:39] <eleusis> :P
[04:40] <joemo12> epicenter:  dont worry we will have a common humanity
[04:40] <eleusis> ShadowRage, yep
[04:40] <joemo12> one day money will be irrelevant
[04:40] <jr_G-man> "ShadowRage, the whole US is a shithole...it only serves the richest capitalist pigs"....
[04:40] <epicenter> Everyone has their own preferences. But even though I am not wealthy, I love this country of mine. :)
[04:40] <Dr_Aevil> joemo12: ok, the values you set in the config file are lower and upper limits, the refresh rate it can do is determined by the res it's running in and the graphics card.  What's the vertical refresh rate now, and what was the upper limit you set?
[04:40] <ShadowRage> only KDE app that's good = kppp
[04:40] <jr_G-man> ...is that the attitude that Ubuntu portrays?
[04:40] <whiskers> epicenter, what gets me is PhDs can't find a job but transvestites and transexuals tell me they make $350 /hr.
[04:40] <eleusis> ShadowRage, and konqueror
[04:40] <whiskers> epicenter, that is ridiculous
[04:40] <joemo12> especially when we figure out how to self replicate and build homes via self replicating machines :)
[04:40] <eleusis> ShadowRage, and amarok
[04:40] <eleusis> :P
[04:40] <joemo12> and stuff like that
[04:40] <ShadowRage> and maybe k3b and kstarchart
[04:40] <epicenter> whiskers: Where do you live that no one around you is straight or dresses like their own gender?
[04:40] <joemo12> sounds far fetched but its not
[04:40] <epicenter> San Francisco?
[04:40] <joemo12> its within the realm of what humans can do
[04:40] <whiskers> epicenter, Houston,Texico
[04:40] <epicenter> I've not been there, I can't say what it's like
[04:40] <TobyK> Hahahahahahaa
[04:41] <] BreliC[> epicenter, funny but the US media today is more censored than it was in the late 1800s
[04:41] <eleusis> whiskers, what's ridiculous? that epicenter likes the country he lives in, despite its problems, and his financial situation? :P
[04:41] <wastrel> nothing wrong with transvestites making money
[04:41] <epicenter> Maybe you should sample other areas before saying the country is seething mass of rich gay people
[04:41] <joemo12> dr:  I set the limits for the monitor
[04:41] <joemo12> dr:  The specs
[04:41] <ShadowRage> whiskers: solution = move out of houston or texas/
[04:41] <] BreliC[> Karl Marx used to have a regular column in a New York daily... do you think that would *ever* happen today???
[04:41] <joemo12> dr:  It can do higher rates tho with my monitor + Video card in windows xp
[04:41] <whiskers> ShadowRage, yes i want to go back to the Holy Mountain
[04:41] <whiskers> ShadowRage, i want out of here
[04:41] <joemo12> dr:  Maybe its limited by x.org?
[04:41] <ShadowRage> lots of good areas of the US
[04:41] <epicenter> Every country has problems. Don't even try for a second to tell me Canada or England or Scotland or Japan or any of the other non-third world nations are ENTIRELY WITHOUT PROBLEMS.
[04:41] <ShadowRage> houston and texas both suck donkey dick
[04:41] <Dr_Aevil> joemo12: please use tab completion :) had to pick out the thigns you're saying otherwise :)
[04:42] <epicenter> Anyone who thinks that is more delusional than I can imagine
[04:42] <ShadowRage> well, not all of texas
[04:42] <eleusis> hey, you missed out Australia :P
[04:42] <ShadowRage> I liked amarillo
[04:42] <epicenter> I grabbed countries my friends live in :D
[04:42] <epicenter> Australia's nice too
[04:42] <eleusis> mm
[04:42] <ShadowRage> I have friends in australia
[04:42] <epicenter> I wouldn't want to live in England becaue of all the regulations there making it hard to breathe ;D
[04:42] <epicenter> But it's a nice place
[04:42] <epicenter> Japan .. too repressed and strict
[04:42] <Dr_Aevil> guys at the risk of saying this is turning into a flame war.... :) you're also at risk of offending most of the channel :)
[04:42] <epicenter> YAY!
[04:42] <eleusis> hah
[04:42] <epicenter> viva la offensiveness
[04:43] <eleusis> the japanese don't like ubuntu? :P
[04:43] <epicenter> THEN FUCK THEM
[04:43] <epicenter> j/k.
[04:43] <] BreliC[> i'm in canada and what i hate is how, when we criticize the US administration, it always comes out as criticizing americans...
[04:43] <eleusis> ubuntu-calendar, i mean..
[04:43] <epicenter> ] Brelic[- You're not kidding. :P
[04:43] <eleusis> heh
[04:43] <] BreliC[> i have plenty of american friends, and our own government makes us look anti-american
[04:43] <eleusis> haha
[04:43] <wastrel> i don't hate americans, some of my bestfriends are american
[04:43] <epicenter> "LOL BUSH SUKS YOU AMERIKKKANS CAN SUCK MY BALLS RITE RITE"
[04:43] <etranger> hmm
[04:43] <etranger> I am in Canada, too
[04:43] <daniels> guys, wildly offtopic.
[04:44] <epicenter> of course
[04:44] <] BreliC[> etranger, in quebec?
[04:44] <smouche> JBreliC[, I think your gov is doing just fine.  I'm speaking as an American.
[04:44] <hams> has anyone gotten macosx to mount a nfs share?
[04:44] <daniels> let's please get back on to ubuntu discussion.
[04:44] <eleusis> :)
[04:44] <ShadowRage> only good bits about california = jobs, lots of places to go.. the mountains, the beach, natural features.. etc downsides = yuppies, gangs, foriegn gangs hellbent on "taking back their land" illegal immigration, rights to illegal immigrants by taking away citizen rights, etc, yuppies, etc
[04:44] <epicenter> France's governemnt practices, international relations and some of its more radical citizens piss me off royally. yet I don't hate France or French people
[04:44] <smouche> I just wish Canadians were a little less polite!  we could use a kick in the ass
[04:44] <epicenter> that's my stance on situations like that
[04:44] <wastrel> no gnome email applet for the panel anymore?
[04:44] <ShadowRage> regulations up the shithole.
[04:44] <epicenter> Hate the problem, not the people dealing with it
[04:44] <icebalm> smouche: try to invade again
[04:44] <daniels> ShadowRage, epicenter, smouche, icebalm: guys, enough.
[04:45] <ShadowRage> k
[04:45] <epicenter> :(
[04:45] <] BreliC[> smouche, lol!
[04:45] <epicenter> don't try and keep me down, you CORPORATE PIG
[04:45] <epicenter> ;)
[04:45] <Dr_Aevil> wastrel: I think I heard something about it going
[04:45] <eruin> I swear, this discussion comes up every fourth hour
[04:45] <smouche> icebalm, I keep hoping the blue states will first, secede, and second, beg for annexation by Canada
[04:45] <etranger> does shuttleworth ever IRC here?
[04:45] <smouche> but you wouldn't want us
[04:45] <epicenter> it's hard to believe we all speak the same language and are using the same software in a communal fashion and still can't stop birching over each other's country of origin <g>
[04:45] <mlambie> daniels: in your circles have you heard anything about Ubuntu and SunRay thin clients? I might throw one in my bag for LCA/UbuntuDownUnder :)
[04:45] <wastrel> Dr_Aevil:  what do you use for email notification ?  :] 
[04:46] <jr_G-man> if it does...I don't think i would want to be a part of this distrubution for much longer
[04:46] <daniels> mlambie: not at all, but would love to see one there :)
[04:46] <Dr_Aevil> wastrel: hmm, I sortof just keep a copy of evolution open :P
[04:46] <wastrel> well that's no good
[04:46] <daniels> etranger: occasionally
[04:46] <icebalm> wow, that was harsh
[04:46] <mlambie> daniels: then it's settled ;) I'll pull the stand off it and it'll become a 15" tablet :)
[04:46] <epicenter> what did he do? :P
[04:46] <daniels> icebalm: i asked three times
[04:46] <Dr_Aevil> wastrel: why is it a problem? :)
[04:46] <epicenter> Well, I kept ranting too. :P
[04:46] <wastrel> Dr_Aevil:  i don't even use evolution
[04:46] <epicenter> You don't see me banned......
[04:46] <epicenter> give the guy a break
[04:47] <epicenter> that or ban us both ;P
[04:47] <Dr_Aevil> wastrel: well, your e-mail client of choice then :)
[04:47] <] BreliC[> epicenter, careful what you wish for :)
[04:47] <daniels> epicenter: it was just a ~60sec ban to get the point across
[04:47] <epicenter> I think you just banned his whole ISP though :P
[04:47] <epicenter> Oh, OK
[04:47] <epicenter> Keeping out all New York Roadrunner users is a lot of people ;)
[04:47] <etranger> I would like to talk to IRC with shuttleworth
[04:47] <etranger> he seems interesting.
[04:47] <bob2> heh
[04:47] <bob2> but very very busy
[04:47] <wastrel> it wasn't all of nyc rr.  it was bc@rr...
[04:48] <smouche> daniels, why, pray tell, did you ban me?
[04:48] <epicenter> smouche: he wanted you to stop talking about the international debate in here <g>
[04:48] <epicenter> to get back on topic
[04:48] <smouche> what, I wasn't rude enough for the flame war I happened into?
[04:48] <bob2> smouche: please try to stay on-topic and away from silly controversy
[04:48] <epicenter> Ah, my DVD framerate went through the roof. DMA did it.
[04:48] <TobyK> Aaaand on to my problem: How can I ensure that everything in /var/www/ and it's subfolders can always be accessible to all users? (Trying to get a small webserver set up. Need to make sure everything can be accessed over the web. Right now I have to manually chmod everything to be readable by all users.)
[04:48] <daniels> smouche: i asked you three times to stop the offtopic rambling.
[04:48] <smouche> I  made two comments that were nothing compared to what had been happening!
[04:48] <epicenter> I can't imagine why it was off. This is the last time I ever get a CompUSSR CD-ROM drive. NEC and Lite-On from now on.
[04:48] <etranger> ubuntu, in theory, has no competition, because it is being produced by someone who doesn't care about profits
[04:48] <smouche> daniels, you did not!
[04:48] <epicenter> smouche: i guess you were the example
[04:48] <cert> hei people
[04:48] <etranger> so there is no chance of it failing like most corporate ventures
[04:48] <epicenter> drop it or you'll be made the example again, I'm sure
[04:49] <nekrataal> good night every one, thanks for all the help
[04:49] <etranger> unless he loses interest
[04:49] <Dr_Aevil> wastrel: hmm, it can probably be installed seperately but it doesn't seem to be part of the default any more
[04:49] <smouche> I had complemented Canada, that was it.
[04:49] <cert> do you guys know how to get vpn client working under ubuntu
[04:49] <daaku> anyone using LCDproc here? i'm trying to get it to work with a CrystalFontz LCD, but it doesnt seem to work!
[04:49] <etranger> and then it needs to actually get a profit
[04:49] <smouche> you are a little quick on the trigger dude
[04:49] <epicenter> cert: should be configured for you out of the box
[04:49] <jdub> eleusis: hi
[04:49] <daniels> smouche: 12:44 < daniels> guys, wildly offtopic. 12:44 < daniels> let's please get back on to ubuntu discussion. 12:45 <@daniels> ShadowRage, epicenter, smouche, icebalm: guys, enough.
[04:49] <eleusis> jdub, hi :)
[04:49] <cert> i am new to linux
[04:49] <epicenter> I guess he's just annoyed that he's the only one who got kicked
[04:49] <daniels> in any case, let's all just get back to helping people with ubuntu problems and leave it at that
[04:49] <eleusis> jdub, i was wondering.. where do the ubuntu-calendar images come from?
[04:50] <etranger> is ubuntu-calendar still shipping erotic art?
[04:50] <Dr_Aevil> O_o
[04:50] <TobyK> Yes, let's get on to helping people with Ubuntu... Take me, for example. <<
[04:50] <eleusis> depends on your definition of 'erotic'..
[04:50] <Zotnix> It was never erotic...
[04:50] <raN_> hello, How could I upgrade using the CD?
[04:50] <cert> epicentre : are you talking about the universe package?
[04:50] <MrNonchalant> *runs to command line*
[04:50] <libben> http://www.m90.org/gallery/video/LionKilldm.wmv
[04:50] <sig> how do I view startup text to look at an error that I saw?
[04:50] <wastrel> Dr_Aevil:  mboxcheck-applet is the package name. ..  may want to make an FAQ question? dunno :] 
[04:50] <smouche> daniels, you're an ass.  kick me for that.
[04:50] <etranger> I never saw any, myself. Just heard about it.
[04:51] <beh> sig: see what dmesg gives you
[04:51] <Dr_Aevil> wastrel: yeah, def do, I remember someone else mentioning it wasn't in any more
[04:51] <beh> sig: dmesg in console
[04:51] <eleusis> etranger, apt-cache search ubuntu-calendar, and install to see for yourself :P
[04:51] <sig> beh: yeah, thats what I was looking for
[04:51] <smouche> you should have kicked the whole fucking channel
[04:51] <wastrel> Dr_Aevil:  where do i go to accomplish that?
[04:52] <jdub> eleusis: they come from a distant land of fairy floss and gingerbread houses
[04:52] <etranger> I think I shall try it out ...
[04:52] <raN_> Did anybody upgraded using the CD?
[04:52] <jdub> where men eat treacle
[04:52] <jdub> and women drink chocolate
[04:52] <eleusis> hahaha
[04:52] <eleusis> nice
[04:52] <bob2> smouche: please chill out
[04:52] <Dr_Aevil> sig: you can also look at /var/log which contains the dmesg file and also /var/log/messages.  what can be a handy trick if you're having trouble with a usb device for example is to tail -f /var/log/messages and watch as text is added
[04:52] <jdub> and children play in sandpits of boiled lollies
[04:52] <ysr11> hello, I am new and have a question: I've read a bunch of different faqs and have been trying to get startup scripts to run with no luck.  can anyone help me please?
[04:52] <etranger> man, language support is awful for german
[04:52] <jdub> and the streets are made of licorice
[04:52] <eleusis> :)
[04:52] <wastrel> nm i'll rtfm
[04:52] <etranger> at least in the console.
[04:52] <Dr_Aevil> wastrel: there's a faq ont he wiki I guess :)
[04:52] <eleusis> and gingerbread men run around?
[04:53] <ysr11> I put the scripts in /etc/init.d/ and linked to them in /etc/rc2.d
[04:53] <smouche> I was chilled out, bob2 -- it's you trigger happy guys who don't aim your "moderating" accurately that teed me off
[04:53] <wastrel> l8r ppl thanks for the help
[04:53] <bob2> smouche: awesome
[04:53] <etranger> hmm
[04:53] <sig> beh: at start up I got a modprobe module error on pciehp which I think is hotplug?
[04:53] <sig> it doesn't start it for some reason
[04:53] <sig> ?
[04:53] <eleusis> meh
[04:53] <Madeye> any good dynamic dns solution
[04:53] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: yes, place your script in /etc/init.d then add a symlink within /etc/rc.? for the runlevel you want the script to run at
[04:53] <DF> I just installed Kubuntu 5.04 hoary, and when I set the resolution to 1024x768, the text is really large and this is very annoying. How can I fix it?
[04:53] <beh> sig: well what does the error say
[04:53] <jr_G-man> anybody know where to find my bootlog?  it does not appear to be in /var/log/bootlog
[04:54] <sig> beh: dmesg doesn't show
[04:54] <whiskey_1> epicenter, you don't know how many homosexuals and transvestites and divorced people there are here...these people are nothing but shit
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> hey,
[04:54] <Dr_Aevil> Madeye: dyndns.org is free, clients are in ubuntu :)
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> here?
[04:54] <ysr11> Dr: I tried that but it still won't load when I log in.  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12071.html is one of the pages I have been getting info from
[04:54] <smouche> bob2, if you don't kick that crap off here, it -- ah thank you
[04:54] <Dr_Aevil> thanks daniels
[04:54] <beh> sig im not sure
[04:54] <daniels> seriously, there are places for discussions like this, and it's not here.
[04:54] <etranger> heh
[04:54] <ysr11> when I click on the script it runs just fine, but it won't load at login
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[04:54] <smouche> apologies to daniels, -;-)
[04:54] <TobyK> Whiskey_l: Clarify your last statement, please.
[04:54] <sig> beh: basically hotplug doesn't work
[04:54] <smouche> aim is better now
[04:55] <etranger> someone should write a book on the psychology of trolling
[04:55] <etranger> it's a massive phenomenon
[04:55] <Dr_Aevil> daniels: in his case that place is whatever far-right milita forum he usually frequents :)
[04:55] <beh> sig maybe google the dmesg line will hlep
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> beh, you mean grep
[04:56] <sig> hotplug worked in warty but now doesn't in hoary for me
[04:56] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: ok, what have you done so far? Can you show me? which dir is the symlink living in? have you tested the script to ensure it works first?
[04:57] <sig> can anyone help me with this hotplug issue?
[04:57] <Dr_Aevil> sig: you mean the error isn't showing in dmesg? look in /var/log/messages first
[04:58] <ysr11> Dr: i made the script, tested it (it worked), put it in /etc/init.d, linked to it in /etc/rc2.d, restarted the computer and nothing happened
[04:58] <MrNonchalant> where does ubuntu-calendar install to anyway?
[04:58] <etranger> I've installed ubuntu-calendar but I see nothing new ...
[04:58] <bob2> MrNonchalant: dpkg -L ubuntu-calendar
[04:58] <sig> Apr 11 20:55:54 localhost pci.agent[9160] :      pciehp: can't be loaded
[04:58] <sig> Apr 11 20:55:54 localhost pci.agent[9160] : missing kernel or user mode driver pciehp
[04:59] <TobyK> Does anyone have any advice for my issue? (Making sure files in /var/www/ are always readable by all users.)
[04:59] <sig> found that in /var/log/messages
[04:59] <etranger> do I need to relogin or?
[04:59] <TobyK> (Will repost original help request if necessary.)
[04:59] <ysr11> Dr: sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/mousescr, sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/mousescr /etc/rc2.d/S99mousescr
[04:59] <bob2> sig: that's fine unless you actually have PCIHP hardware3
[04:59] <eleusis> hmm
[04:59] <MrNonchalant> bob2: ty
[04:59] <sig> bob2: well I used to be able to plug my camera in and it would show up and not nothing
[04:59] <sig> it doesn't automount my usb stuff
[04:59] <Dr_Aevil> sig: looks like you're missing the driver now for it, since the kernel changed probably
[04:59] <ysr11> Dr: the script is just: #! /bin/sh, xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
[05:00] <sig> Dr_Acemaster: any idea how to fix it?
[05:00] <bob2> sig: I doubt very much it's related
[05:00] <sig> bob2: it is related 100%
[05:00] <sig> pciehp = hotplug
[05:00] <bob2> sig: no, sorry
[05:00] <eleusis> dataw0lf :)
[05:01] <bob2> sig: pcihp = the module for hotplugging pci devices, which your hardware doesn't support and thus doesn't matter
[05:01] <sig> bob2: it worked before in warty
[05:01] <bob2> sig: you can add the module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to stop it being attempted at all
[05:01] <sig> and that is the only thing that fails
[05:01] <bob2> sig: ok, but it's highly unlikely to be related
[05:01] <sig> bob2: it is
[05:01] <sig> just talked to another guy and said that is his exact problem
[05:02] <bob2> well, that's awesome, but it's not
[05:02] <bob2> 13:01:21           bob2 | sig: you can add the module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to stop it being attempted at all
[05:02] <ysr11> Dr: I've spent a number of hours tinkering with this and on google but i just cant get this dumb little script to run
[05:02] <bob2> do that, then notice it doesn't fix it for you
[05:02] <sig> bob2: then why does my hotplug with my camera and webcam not work now at all?
[05:02] <bob2> sig: I have no idea
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> ok guys, what is the method to configure a TVtuner on ubuntu? I reinstalled Ubuntu hoary thinking it would identify the card (BT848) and install it... not
[05:03] <bob2> sig: but its extremely unlikely to be related to pcihp
[05:03] <sig> pciehp
[05:03] <etranger> hmm
[05:03] <beh> I'm trying to install some drivers and the shell script shows this  cannot open /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/include/linux/version.h what apt package do i need to install?
[05:03] <etranger> so how do you configure ubuntu-calendar or what is it exactly?
[05:03] <bob2> etranger: there's nothing to configure, it's just some pictures
[05:03] <bob2> beh: linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:03] <sig> bob2: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/10/msg00162.html
[05:03] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: I think the script might be being run, but that its effect is not working on startup, possibly because something else is undoing it.  remmember that'll be run just before the x server is brought up probably.  Is what you're doing not best accomplished by getting the xserver to do it on startup? do you see what I mean?
[05:03] <beh> bob2 thanks
[05:04] <etranger> bob2: oh
[05:04] <alkirk> bob2 Dr_Aevil
[05:04] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: test this by making your script output to stdout, so add an echo "Setting xmodmap..."
[05:04] <sig> tail -f /var/log/messages
[05:04] <sig> bob2: yes it is an issue
[05:04] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: because what you've done should ensure that the thing runs on startup
[05:04] <beh> bob2: actually first im going to compile 2.6.11
[05:04] <sig> I run tail -f /var/log/messages and then plug the camera in
[05:05] <Dr_Aevil> yes alkirk ?
[05:05] <bob2> sig: dude
[05:05] <ysr11> by startup do you mean before or after it loads into gnome?
[05:05] <bob2> sig: you don't have to believe me if you don't want to
[05:05] <alkirk> It turns ou that the detected rates for my monitor were all wrong.
[05:05] <bob2> sig: but I did tell you how to get rid of that error anyway
[05:05] <bob2> (twice)
[05:05] <sig> bob2: I just proved to you that your wrong
[05:05] <sig> read that bug
[05:05] <eleusis> ?
[05:05] <sig> it shows the pciehp and pci_hotplug modules in both classes even shpchp
[05:05] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: what I think might be happening is your script is running just before the xserveris brought up, and then something in that might negate the effects of what you did...at a guess, because from what you've said it should definitely be running that script
[05:06] <alkirk> I looked up and manually edited in the correct figures and now it works properly
[05:06] <sig> rmmod usb-storage  and then I'll reatach
[05:06] <Dr_Aevil> alkirk: cool :) glad to hear it's working :)
[05:06] <etranger> ah, here we go
[05:06] <alkirk> Thanks for your help.
[05:06] <Dr_Aevil> sig: so it no longer auto-mounts your camera etc any more?
[05:07] <bob2> sig: I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with that report
[05:07] <Dr_Aevil> np
[05:07] <hilz> hi. is ther a cvs server in the default installation of ubuntu? i can't find it. (i did not choose the server installation). If there is, then is there a GUI setup interface to control the cvs server?
[05:07] <bob2> sig: you don't have pcihp hardware, which is why you get that error
[05:07] <sig> Dr_Aevil: yup
[05:07] <bob2> sig: where in the bug log does it say that it will cause problems mounting usb devices?
[05:07] <ysr11> Dr: thanks, ill try and look into it more.  i basically just need the script to run once i login with gnome but apparently ill have to try something different
[05:07] <beh> i know this probably is an obvious question but if Im using a desktop i dont need PCMCIA/CardBus support right?
[05:07] <Dr_Aevil> sig: a lot of software aside from just hotplug is involved in that, including dbus, hal, gnome-volume-manager, can you check hald is running please? and gnome-volume-manager
[05:07] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: yes, add it to gnome-startup
[05:07] <ysr11> beh: right
[05:08] <beh> k
[05:08] <beh> just making sure dont wanna recompile too much
[05:08] <bob2> beh: if you don't have pc card slots, right
[05:08] <ysr11> bob2: right, there are adapters you can get for desktop pcs so you can use pcmcias
[05:08] <alkirk> unless you have a PCMCIA/CardBus slot
[05:08] <beh> yeah
[05:08] <bob2> yup
[05:08] <beh> i dont
[05:08] <beh> its a desktop
[05:08] <ysr11> beh: so assuming you don't have these, then you are fine
[05:08] <bob2> but you'd know if you did ;)
[05:08] <beh> yeah
[05:08] <beh> i said it was probably an obvious Q
[05:09] <ysr11> np, glad to help
[05:09] <beh> so whats PCI hotplugging? plugging in PCI devices while the computer is on?
[05:09] <Dr_Aevil> sig: also go to system-->preferences-->removable drives and media, if it's having problems with hald then it should complain when you select that
[05:09] <calc> beh: yea
[05:09] <bob2> beh: yes
[05:09] <bob2> beh: you'd know if your hardware supported it
[05:09] <beh> who would use that
[05:09] <beh> i know mine doesnt
[05:09] <calc> beh: large servers
[05:09] <bob2> (by the fact you sold one of your lungs for it)
[05:10] <beh> hmm i see
[05:10] <Dr_Aevil> lol
[05:10] <calc> beh: your box probably can't support it
[05:10] <Dr_Aevil> and remortgaged
[05:10] <beh> yeah i know it cant
[05:10] <bob2> beh: people who don't want to take down their webserver to put in a NIC, etc
[05:10] <beh> thats neat
[05:10] <beh> never really thought that was done
[05:10] <ysr11> dr: i can't seem to locate gnome-startup on my computer
[05:11] <frank> can someone who doesn't have  Via integrated sound show me the result of   ls /dev/snd  ?
[05:11] <sig> Dr_Aevil: I'm having to do it by hand
[05:11] <sig> one sec
[05:11] <ysr11> frank: controlC0  midiC0D0  pcmC0D0p  pcmC0D2c  timer
[05:12] <ysr11> frank: hwC0D0     pcmC0D0c  pcmC0D1c  pcmC0D2p
[05:12] <sig> Dr_Aevil: I want it to autostart and automount like it did before
[05:12] <frank> ysr11: thanks
[05:12] <ysr11> np :)
[05:13] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: go to system-->preferences-->sessions :)
[05:13] <ysr11> Dr_ lol no wonder a search for files couldnt find it.  thanks!
[05:14] <crimsun> frank: what's the problem with via integrateD?
[05:14] <Dr_Aevil> sig: ok, but we need to work out why it's not working first.  from within gnome, are those programs running? Can you load the removable drives and media preferences?
[05:14] <Dr_Aevil> ysr11: hehe, yeah, it's not a very intuitive spot for startup programs...at least not when windows devotes a menu to it
[05:14] <sig> Dr_Aevil: will you msg me so we can do this in a /msg window
[05:14] <beh> is NTFS write support stable enough for me to enable? or will i run the risk of ruining data?
[05:15] <Dr_Aevil> I'd prefer not, better for others to help in here sig
[05:15] <Dr_Aevil> beh: nope is the short answer
[05:15] <sig> ok how do I do the above
[05:15] <sig> checking within gnome and hal
[05:15] <beh> Dr_Aevil good enough
[05:15] <bob2> beh: it's guaranteed to corrupt it
[05:15] <beh> why sint there an experimental tag beside it
[05:15] <Dr_Aevil> beh: the more detailed answer is "yes" with huge caveats :) you can write to files so long as you dont change their size :) and that will make no errors.
[05:15] <beh> to warn people
[05:15] <Dr_Aevil> beh: because it's safe
[05:15] <bob2> beh: it should be marked broken
[05:16] <frank> crimsun: you remember my problem last night? I think its via specific
[05:16] <Dr_Aevil> beh: it;s safe but extremely limited
[05:16] <sig> Dr_Aevil: ?
[05:16] <beh> oh so it wont let you ruin it
[05:16] <Dr_Aevil> nope
[05:16] <crimsun> frank: I'm sorry, but I don't. I haven't slept, and I have a horrid memory.
[05:16] <Dr_Aevil> it'll just refuse to work
[05:16] <crimsun> frank: refresh, please?
[05:16] <beh> k well imma leave it off anyways not too important for me
[05:16] <Dr_Aevil> in practice you can rarely edit a file and not change its size
[05:16] <frank> crimsun: see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6303  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8529
[05:16] <csj> hello, I try to get srart about docbook, and I DL fedora "documentation-guide" and make but faile:
[05:16] <csj>  unable to load /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets/html/manifest.xsl
[05:16] <Dr_Aevil> you can test it with a hex editor :)
[05:17] <sig> Dr_Aevil: are you going to help me?
[05:17] <bob2> Dr_Aevil: is the restriction that the size has to stay the same or that it can't allocate more space?
[05:17] <csj> does anyone know how to fix the problem?
[05:17] <frank> crimsun: My alsa is not working for a game through cedega
[05:17] <bob2> csj: did you install docbook?
[05:17] <Dr_Aevil> sig: I'm helping others too
[05:17] <csj> bob2, yes and I install docbook-xsl too
[05:17] <Dr_Aevil> sig: you can check that they're running by looking in system monitor or by opening a terminal and typing ps aux | grep hald
[05:18] <Dr_Aevil> sig: also, do as I said and go to preferences--> removable media in the gnome menu
[05:18] <frank> crimsun: aplay works however but I think I need a  /dev/snd/seq  which I dont have
[05:18] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $ ps aux | grep hald
[05:18] <sig> hal       7649  0.0  1.9  10244  8672 ?        Ss   20:48   0:01 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges
[05:18] <sig> sig      13157  0.0  0.1   2952   584 pts/2    S+   21:18   0:00 grep hald
[05:18] <sig> Dr_Aevil: I did the removable media , what is it you want me to see there?
[05:18] <mj2892> hey everyone, I need to reinstall xorg, but before I do the reinstall I have to make some changes in trident_dac.c Does anyone have any suggestions?
[05:18] <bob2> mj2892: why do you need to reinstall it?
[05:19] <Dr_Aevil> sig: I was checking hald was working and gnome-volume-manager - running that ensures that gvm starts up if it's not going. also it ensures that the system is talking to hald.
[05:19] <crimsun> frank: I'm not sure what the latter bug report has to do with sound...
[05:19] <MacIver> mj2892: #define COOLSHADOWS
[05:19] <sig> Dr_Aevil: ok so mine is
[05:19] <mj2892> I need to reinstall so I can make some changes to the one trident driver.  I have tecra 8200 and I would like to run it in 1400x1050 resolution
[05:19] <Dr_Aevil> sig: if you put a cd in now, with the option to automount selected, see what happens, also tail -f /var/log/messages at the same time
[05:19] <bob2> mj2892: so, you mean recompile, not reinstall?
[05:19] <crimsun> frank: the former has been resolved upstream; did you toggle the iec958 capture monitor?
[05:19] <sig> Dr_Aevil: I've already done that dude
[05:20] <sig> I had said that before
[05:20] <mj2892> yes, sorry about the terminology
[05:20] <Dr_Aevil> sig: please humour me :) I want to check
[05:20] <sig> hold
[05:20] <frank> crimsun:  could you tell a command to  reload alsa without rebooting to test changes to  /etc/modutils/alsa-base   ?
[05:20] <sig> Dr_Aevil: ok I plug my camera in
[05:21] <crimsun> frank: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload
[05:21] <sig> Apr 11 21:21:31 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10
[05:21] <sig> Apr 11 21:21:32 localhost kernel: scsi7 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[05:21] <sig> Apr 11 21:21:32 localhost usb.agent[13430] :      usb-storage: already loaded
[05:21] <bob2> csj: doxbook-xsl
[05:21] <crimsun> frank: changes should not be made to /etc/modutils/alsa-base but to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:21] <sig> and when I unplug it I get this:
[05:21] <frank> crimsun:  I don't have a iec958 capture monitor in alsamixer
[05:21] <Dr_Aevil> bob2: not entirely sure, basically it can't create anything new on the disk, it can only modify existing properties of a ode
[05:21] <sig> Apr 11 21:21:49 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 10
[05:21] <Dr_Aevil> node*
[05:22] <bob2> Dr_Aevil: yeah, that's what I thought
[05:22] <bob2> sig: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[05:22] <sig> 2.6.10-5-686
[05:22] <frank> crimsun: yeah I knew that
[05:23] <Dr_Aevil> bob2: there's scarily few people working on the linux ntfs driver, and few that understand ntfs! the poor guys had to reverse engineer the lot I gather
[05:23] <CB> has anyone here gotten gngeo to work in ubuntu?
[05:23] <sig> when I put a blank cd in though an icon does show up on my desktop like it should
[05:23] <Dr_Aevil> sig: ok, you've left the camera in long enough for the system to scan it yes?
[05:23] <sig> yes
[05:23] <sig> I pasted the output above
[05:23] <sig> you want it again?
[05:23] <Dr_Aevil> sig: no no, that output is normal
[05:23] <Burgundavia> sig, does dmesg see the camera?
[05:24] <frank> crimsun: And wasn't able to fix the problem and I think I don't have the exact same hardware  (bug is for rev 50 and I have rev 60)  The second bug is relevant because what  am missing is /dev/snd/seq
[05:24] <sig> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi8, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[05:24] <sig> usb-storage: device scan complete
[05:24] <JosephSpiros> Hmm
[05:24] <Enkidu> hey guys, my system is using 94% of memory, any idea why?
[05:24] <CB> has anyone here gotten gngeo to work in ubuntu?
[05:24] <sladen> Enkidu: disk caching
[05:24] <Burgundavia> Enkidu, not a major issue unless you are experiencing slowness
[05:24] <crimsun> frank: the bug affects all cmi9761s
[05:24] <crimsun> frank: regardless of revision
[05:24] <JosephSpiros> I've got a Dell Latitude C500/C600 and the Hoary live CD
[05:25] <Enkidu> ok cool
[05:25] <JosephSpiros> and it works fine with the built in display
[05:25] <sig> SCSI device sda: 251905 512-byte hdwr sectors (129 MB)
[05:25] <sig> sda: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
[05:25] <sig> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[05:25] <sig>  /dev/scsi/host8/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[05:25] <sig> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi8, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[05:25] <Burgundavia> Enkidu, your system will use the memory it has, the issue is letting it go when a program is done with it
[05:25] <sig> usb-storage: device scan complete
[05:25] <sladen> CB: 50 seconds isn't long to allow people to reply
[05:25] <crimsun> frank: the second bug takes me to a mozilla-firefox issue
[05:25] <hypno> the totem in the hoary livecd seems to be broken, generally
[05:25] <JosephSpiros> but if I try and use an external display, the external display stays blank, unless I open and close the laptop, and if I do that, the external display shows a blinking cursor
[05:25] <JosephSpiros> not X
[05:25] <sig> ?
[05:25] <sladen> CB: have you managed to get it to work?
[05:25] <CB> sladen: I know, but it's late and I'm tired
[05:26] <CB> sladen: no
[05:26] <Enkidu> Burgundavia: ok thanks, coming from windows if the memory is all in use theres something wrong ;)
[05:26] <bob2> sig: so, there you go.  pcihp was indeed completely unrelated.
[05:26] <bob2> sig: now you can mount /dev/sda1 wherever you want.  if that works, then the problem is narrowed down to gnome-volume-manager.
[05:26] <niran> hypno, it's not broken, it just needs more gstreamer plugins to read most files, i.e. gstreamer-ffmpeg
[05:26] <sig> ?
[05:26] <Burgundavia> Enkidu, I have only made my system come to a complete crawl once, and that was with a dvd ripping, a cp ripping and ff borking with a download
[05:26] <frank> crimsun:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8529
[05:27] <bob2> sig: do you know how to mount things?
[05:27] <niran> hypno, but the playback still has issues for me. it's choppy and the sound is out of sync
[05:27] <csj> bob2, It need /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets/html/chunk-code.xsl but I have the file in /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/chunk-code.xsl
[05:27] <sladen> CB: okay best thing to do is try  (sudo apt-get install ....)  and come back here if there are any problems.  In the Unix world people tend to believe that silence is good and only to alert people when something isn't working
[05:27] <sig> bob2: look way up, I said I could mount it
[05:27] <JosephSpiros> so, does anyone have a suggestion for how I can get the Live CD working with a Dell Latitude C500/C600 and an external display
[05:27] <sladen> CB: let us know your experiences!
[05:27] <sig> mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /blah
[05:27] <sladen> JosephSpiros: does it have a CD ROM?
[05:27] <JosephSpiros> the external display works fine also for the boot sequence, it's only when X finally loads that it just doesn't work
[05:27] <sig> I can do that
[05:27] <JosephSpiros> sladen: of course ;p
[05:27] <sig> so now that I can do that your saying it is the gnome-volume-manager?
[05:28] <sladen> JosephSpiros: ah okay, it's about enableing the external monitor
[05:28] <Dr_Aevil> sig: yes, I think it is
[05:28] <bob2> sig: yes
[05:28] <Dr_Aevil> sig: run gnome-volume-manager-gthumb %h
[05:28] <Enkidu> so, anyone want to help me with a sound issue?
[05:28] <CB> sladen: I've installed the program...I was wondering if anyone's run into the same problem I havr
[05:28] <Dr_Aevil> hmm, there may be a bug
[05:28] <JosephSpiros> sladen: yes, it works fine if I boot it without the external display
[05:28] <Burgundavia> Enkidu, what sort?
[05:28] <crimsun> frank: that issue seems to have been worked around...
[05:28] <Enkidu> Burgundavia, my speakers just click when they should make sounds
[05:29] <sig> I get a couple popups
[05:29] <Burgundavia> Enkidu, hoary? final? updated or fresh install?
[05:29] <Dr_Aevil> sig: what does it say about your camera?
[05:29] <sig> 1st: could not import photos, unknown model
[05:29] <Enkidu> Burgundavia, Hoary, upgraded from Warty
[05:29] <sig> and then the import photos part says: No camera detected
[05:29] <sig> but this is just a lexar cf card reader
[05:29] <Dr_Aevil> sig: yeah, I get that too, I just tested.  The problem prob isn't with hotplug as it's automouting your cds etc, I think hoary has broken somethiung with that app
[05:29] <CB> sladen: there's a file called sp-s2.sp1 that I can't find
[05:29] <Burgundavia> Enkidu, fun
[05:30] <sig> damn
[05:30] <Enkidu> Burgundavia, tho it didnt work for Warty either
[05:30] <Dr_Aevil> sig: I'm going to spend a while trying to see what has broken now
[05:30] <Burgundavia> Enkidu, what kind of sound car?
[05:30] <sig> Dr_Aevil: will you /msg me the info then please?
[05:30] <frank> crimsun: but the fix dosen't work for me
[05:30] <sladen> CB: what problems do you have?
[05:30] <crimsun> frank: that's because that's completely different from your issue
[05:30] <Dr_Aevil> sig: if I find out what's wrong, sure
[05:31] <Enkidu> Burgundavia, laptop sound card, yamaha YMF744
[05:31] <JosephSpiros> sladen: any suggestion?
[05:31] <crimsun> frank: your issue is that the wrong parameters are being passed, not that the node doesn't exist
[05:31] <frank> crimsun: I'm outa my league here
[05:31] <sig> Dr_Aevil: also the media I'm using is a Lexar compact flash card reader, I used to be able to insert the CF card and boom it would automount and put an icon on the desktop but now..... you already know.
[05:32] <sladen> JosephSpiros: it appears to be a ROM image.  Generally I think those are highly undistributable.  Try  http://www.google.com/search?q=sp-s2.sp1
[05:32] <crimsun> frank: if you have a _lot_ of RAM (i.e., >= 768 MB), try an i386 live cd
[05:32] <frank> crimsun: the module snd_seq_device is loaded but I don't have a /dev/snd/seq   device
[05:32] <JosephSpiros> sladen: ???
[05:32] <Enkidu> Burgundavia, Yamaha YMF744B
[05:32] <hypno> anyone know the package needed for mp3 audio support in xine?
[05:32] <frank> crimsun: I had thought of that... I'll try it
[05:33] <sig> bob2: I appologize, I'm just a bit irritated
[05:33] <smouche> hypno, try www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:33] <crimsun> hypno: should come with xine
[05:35] <etranger> hmm
[05:35] <etranger> I'm having trouble accessing my printer that is on the network via SAMBA
[05:35] <sladen> JosephSpiros: gngeo is an emulator for the NeoGeo game console.  It is a processor waiting for instructions.  sp-s2.sp1 contains the instrucstions used to boot the device (and therefore the emulator).  Those isntructions are copyright Nintendo and so cannot be redistributed by Ubuntu.
[05:35] <elcu> Hello, I'm having trouble using CD Player.
[05:35] <etranger> the other windows machines can access it and I can access files via the network browser of gnome here, but when I go to add a printer
[05:36] <etranger> I don't see any network machines in the list
[05:36] <JosephSpiros> sladen: What? I'm the guy with the problem regarding a Dell Latitude C600 and an external display :p
[05:36] <Enkidu> Burgundavia, Any luck?
[05:36] <elcu> The tracks will start for a plit second, but then I hear nothing.
[05:36] <elcu> I've tried both of my drives without any luck.
[05:36] <sladen> JosephSpiros: sorry.
[05:36] <elcu> s/plit/split
[05:36] <sladen> CB: it appears to be a ROM image.  Generally I think those are highly undistributable.  Try  http://www.google.com/search?q=sp-s2.sp1
[05:36] <ripgut> sup folks
[05:37] <sladen> CB: gngeo is an emulator for the NeoGeo game console.  It is a processor waiting for instructions.  sp-s2.sp1 contains the instrucstions used to boot the device (and therefore the emulator).  Those isntructions are copyright Nintendo and so cannot be redistributed by Ubuntu.
[05:37] <crimsun> elcu: test your sound with System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink>ESD>Test
[05:37] <bob2> (neogeo wasn't made by nintendo, but same deal;)
[05:37] <ripgut> neogeo is the bomb still
[05:37] <etranger> anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[05:38] <frank> crimsun: last question: do you think I should have a /dev/snd/seq  ?
[05:38] <elcu> crimsun: I don't have a system menu.
[05:38] <ysr11> nerdy fact: neo-geo  was made by SNK
[05:38] <crimsun> elcu: in Ubuntu Hoary?
[05:38] <ripgut> how can i set my resolution to 1152x864 taht res is already in my xorg.conf file and i stil cant set it at that?
[05:38] <elcu> crimsun: Warty.
[05:39] <crimsun> frank: if you sudo modprobe snd-seq, you should be fine.
[05:39] <crimsun> elcu: never mind, then
[05:39] <crimsun> elcu: that diagnostic is relevant for Hoary
[05:39] <cmug_> I run wpa_supplicant, i have configured everything correctly (afaik), but wpa_supplicant gives "Trying to associate with <wlan ap mac add> (SSID=... freq=...) and then the next line is "Authentication with 00:00:00... timed out" wtf?
[05:39] <elcu> ripgut: Remove all the other resolutions for that color level except for 1152x864.
[05:39] <ripgut> ok
[05:40] <ripgut> will my refresh rate stay above 60hz still?
[05:40] <elcu> crimsun: Righto.  I can play them with Totem.  But I'd prefer CD Player.
[05:40] <sladen> JosephSpiros: I've been Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.  Depending on the chipset and laptop, they're be a program (eg. 'i810_switch') to switch the video output.  Or you may need to add something to xorg.conf---Have a Google and you'll likely find it faster than me
[05:40] <elcu> ripgut: IIRC, it will set it at the default RR for that res.
[05:40] <ripgut> ok
[05:40] <ripgut> thanks  :)
[05:41] <elcu> np
[05:41] <sladen> JosephSpiros: after you've found the result, please add it to Bugzilla/etc so that other people can know aswell
[05:41] <ripgut> =)
[05:41] <elcu> ripgut: Thank me when it's fixed though.
[05:41] <ripgut> lol
[05:41] <ripgut> ok
[05:42] <ignatz1> ubuntu - hey bob2 you loser - long live ubuntu - debian will die a slow noisy ... http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/2335221&threshold=-1&tid=163&tid=90&tid=190&tid=106
[05:42] <sladen> ripgut: ther horz/vert refresh lines are probably restricting what your monitor is capable.  If you are absolutely sure that your monitor is capable of higher modes without blowing up, try deleting the lines
[05:44] <ekwinix> hopw do i get xmms to play mp3's in hoary?
[05:45] <boredofthesane> hello!
[05:45] <boredofthesane> amazing distro, keep it up!
[05:45] <bob2> ekwinix: install it. enjoy!
[05:45] <bob2> maybe you want to install xmms-mad, it depends
[05:45] <cmug_> I run wpa_supplicant, i have configured everything correctly (afaik), but wpa_supplicant gives "Trying to associate with <wlan ap mac add> (SSID=... freq=...) and then the next line is "Authentication with 00:00:00... timed out" wtf?
[05:45] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[05:45] <cmug_> the pcmcia card uses prism54 driver
[05:47] <ShadowRage> lol
[05:47] <ShadowRage> ubuntu causing problems for debian
[05:47] <ShadowRage> maybe if they'd update
[05:47] <^thehatsrule^> O.o
[05:47] <ShadowRage> slashdot
[05:47] <MrNonchalant> pfft, you read the +5 comments?
[05:47] <MrNonchalant> 70% of them were along the lines of "and this is bad, why?"
[05:48] <ripgut> deleted all other resolutions, now my only choices are:1024x768,1280x768,1280x800,1280x960,1280x1024 thats it
[05:48] <beh> who here has build a kernel in ubuntu?
[05:48] <ripgut> my monitor is listed as: "generic monitor"
[05:48] <bob2> beh: lots of people have
[05:48] <bob2> beh: there's usually no point, tho
[05:48] <ripgut> should i cahnge that or do i need monitor drivers?
[05:48] <beh> are you one fo them?
[05:48] <ShadowRage> MrNonchalant: exactly
[05:49] <bob2> beh: sure
[05:49] <ShadowRage> MrNonchalant: basically they're bitching because they expect everything debian to stay under their guidelines
[05:49] <beh> did u use the --initrd binary option
[05:49] <beh> when u ran make-kpkg
[05:49] <ShadowRage> they basically want ubuntu to pull back and stay backdated like them
[05:49] <bob2> beh: if you're building your own kernel, you basically don't want an initrd
[05:49] <MrNonchalant> ShadowRage: I mean a compatibility layer? don't make me laugh
[05:49] <bob2> ShadowRage: no one in Debian is saying that
[05:49] <elcu> ripgut: I should have warned you to backup the xorg.conf file, and like sladen said while you were gone, check if your monitor can go up to that res safely.
[05:49] <ShadowRage> this is why I'm trying to build a distro that has its own package format
[05:49] <beh> bob2 can u breifly explain to me what an initrd is
[05:50] <ShadowRage> bob2: except the founder
[05:50] <bob2> ShadowRage: that's a massive waste of time
[05:50] <ripgut> it can go to that res in windows, max res it can go to is 1280x1024
[05:50] <bob2> ShadowRage: ian murdock basically is not involved in Debian anymore
[05:50] <ripgut> its a sony trinitron
[05:50] <ShadowRage> thought so
[05:50] <bob2> ShadowRage: he is speaking as the owner of a company that makes a seperate linux distribution called progeny
[05:50] <elcu> ripgut: Right.  I hoped you backed up your xorg file.  what I meant for you to do was this:
[05:50] <elcu> Identifier      "Default Screen"
[05:50] <elcu>         Device          "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 (RV350 AP)"
[05:50] <elcu>         Monitor         "V770+"
[05:50] <elcu>         DefaultDepth    24
[05:50] <elcu> SubSection "Display"
[05:50] <elcu>                 Depth           24
[05:50] <elcu>                 Modes           "1152x864"
[05:50] <elcu>         EndSubSection
[05:51] <elcu> In section "Screen"
[05:51] <bob2> beh: it's a place to store modules so they can be loaded before / is mounted
[05:51] <ekwinix> bob2: even with xmms-mad it hangs on mp3's. is there a way to pipe the errors somewhere so i can troubleshoot? coz i end up having to 'kill process' tomake sure xmms properly quits.
[05:51] <elcu> See how there's only one resolution for tthe default bit depth?
[05:51] <ripgut> yea
[05:51] <bob2> beh: you only need it if you makde the modules for your IDE controller and root filesystem, well, modular
[05:51] <ripgut> i have that
[05:51] <ShadowRage> and its own internal package management system for system exclusive updates
[05:51] <kkathman> Im getting an error in configure that wants me to get Glib2.0...does anyone know the package name?
[05:51] <bob2> ekwinix: er, that has nothing to do with mp3s
[05:51] <beh> bob2 ohh i see, why is ubuntu like that by default
[05:51] <ripgut> shold i cahnge from generic montior to what my monitor is?
[05:51] <MrNonchalant> ShadowRage, bob2: one of the comments had a point about debian getting quagmired through package maintenance versus os building
[05:51] <bob2> kkathman: install build-essential and libglib2.0-dev
[05:51] <StR> is there an already compiled kernel with boot.splash ?
[05:51] <kkathman> thanks bob2
[05:51] <elcu> ripgut: You could try that, yes.
[05:52] <ekwinix> bob2: i'v tried multiple reinstallations of xmms. s
[05:52] <ripgut> ok
[05:52] <bob2> beh: because you can't build ide modules for every single possible computer into the kernel
[05:52] <bob2> beh: why are you building your own, btw?
[05:52] <bob2> ekwinix: yes, configure xmms to use esd (esound) for output
[05:52] <beh> no reason really
[05:52] <beh> upgrade
[05:52] <ripgut> my monitor is :sony trinitron multiscan 200sx
[05:52] <beh> ive build a gentoo kernel before
[05:52] <ripgut> should i put exactly that
[05:52] <beh> and i just wanted to try to build ubuntus
[05:53] <MrNonchalant> beh: you do know about apt, right?
[05:53] <ekwinix> ROCK ON!
[05:53] <MrNonchalant> ;)
[05:53] <beh> MrNonchalant yes why
[05:53] <bob2> beh: so, if you're building your own, configure your basic stuff IN the kernel, not as modules
[05:53] <bob2> beh: then don't use initrd at all, and you'll be fine
[05:54] <ripgut> brb
[05:54] <beh> bob2: yeah i know now make sure the basic stuff isnt modularized
[05:54] <ShadowRage> more or less it's gonna get rid of the centralized software idea
[05:54] <beh> so i don't need an initrd but i've decided i dont feel like doing it now
[05:54] <MrNonchalant> beh: I was mainly kidding, apt fulfills my kernel upgrade needs
[05:54] <ShadowRage> where if you have a distro and want supportm you have to wait for updates from the distro itself
[05:54] <beh> MrNonchalant ohhh i see
[05:54] <MrNonchalant> ShadowRage: agreed, though the zero install stuff look really cool
[05:54] <MrNonchalant> *looks
[05:55] <Burgundavia> ShadowRage, zeroinstall and autopackage are security and usablity nightmares
[05:55] <kkathman> bob I continue to get a message when I do a ./configure that says "GTK+2.0 is required to build Gaim. Please make sure you have the GTK+ development headers installed.
[05:55] <boredofthesane> anyone notice the installer for Hoary doesn't configure serial ata drives in grub correctly?
[05:55] <bob2> ShadowRage: MrNonchalant #autopackage might be a more appropriate places to continue this
[05:55] <bob2> Burgundavia: too
[05:55] <ShadowRage> true
[05:55] <Burgundavia> true
[05:55] <bob2> boredofthesane: it does for lots of people
[05:55] <bob2> boredofthesane: perhaps you found a bug
[05:55] <bob2> kkathman: you know gaim is in ubuntu, right?>
[05:55] <bob2> kkathman: and you need libgtk2.0-dev
[05:55] <kkathman> bob2: yes, but this is the latest release
[05:56] <bob2> kkathman: also, run 'sudo apt-get build-dep gaim'
[05:56] <boredofthesane> bob2: yeah I guess so, if it works for other people I don't know how to reproduce it then, I just assumed everyone had this problem
[05:56] <fangorious> i get no sound from flash animations in firefox (homestarrunner.com). sound works for everything else
[05:56] <bob2> boredofthesane: heh, lots of people do have sata nowadays
[05:56] <ShadowRage> Burgundavia: unless you build a distro with a central stable center (eg, base system stuff, where stability counts, can be maintained) and desktop apps can be handled through zero install and autopackage, and autopackage has a nice thing where it can do a local user install, so it isnt system wide.
[05:56] <MrNonchalant> fangorious: I have the same problem'
[05:56] <bob2> fangorious: try running firefox as 'esddsp mozilla-firefox' from a terminal and see if it works then
[05:56] <boredofthesane> bob2: yeah, more trouble than its worth if you ask me :-)
[05:57] <fangorious> bob2: i don't seem to have an esddsp executable installed
[05:58] <fangorious> bob2, I have a lib for it, though
[05:58] <bob2> fangorious: it's in the esound-clients package
[05:58] <ShadowRage> too bad the machines I could do that with are dead :/
[05:58] <bob2> I think
[05:58] <MaxeyPad> what is needed to upgrade from warty to hoary release?
[05:58] <bob2> this isn't in the FAQ?
[05:58] <_blue> im getting an error about my login session not lasting more than ten seconds and that i might have a supposed problem with .xsession
[05:58] <fangorious> MaxeyPad, I think there's a wiki entry on it
[05:59] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[05:59] <_blue> could it be b/c im using the /home partition from my mandrake install
[05:59] <_blue> ??
[05:59] <bob2> _blue: quite possibly
[05:59] <mchasard> hi
[05:59] <bob2> _blue: make a new user and see if they can login fine
[05:59] <PacoBCN> folks, one question, can only ISO images be mounted or also bin?
[05:59] <bob2> bin/cue? no.
[05:59] <_blue> bob2: my last attempt at an install left me with that error
[05:59] <bob2> use bchunk to make something sane out of them
[05:59] <_blue> unable to boot to access the sytem
[05:59] <mchasard> please no tools actually to save config on a usb key for a live cd use ...ubuntu or kubuntu  ?
[06:00] <fangorious> bob2, esound-clients is right, but still no sound
[06:00] <boredofthesane> bob2: question, when I try to use any of the administration tools under System in gnome, it always fails to authenticate after I put in my password, even though its correct
[06:00] <PacoBCN> bob2, yes, bin/cue. Got the answer, thanks
[06:00] <boredofthesane> bob2: is there a solution?
[06:00] <bob2> boredofthesane: you put in your user password, right?
[06:00] <bob2> fangorious: ok
[06:00] <boredofthesane> bob2: i put in my root password
[06:00] <bob2> fangorious: how about killing esd?
[06:00] <bob2> boredofthesane: that's wrong, put your user one in
[06:00] <mchasard> please is anything prevew for this feature ?
[06:01] <boredofthesane> bob2: nope doesn't work
[06:01] <eyequeue> how do i obtain 'order hosts,bind' behaviour from /etc/resolv.conf these days?
[06:01] <bob2> eyequeue: put that in /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[06:01] <bob2> boredofthesane: ok
[06:02] <mchasard> why kubuntu take so ressources ?
[06:02] <fangorious> bob2: that seems to have worked
[06:03] <fangorious> bob2, but now I don't get system sounds, or any sound from rhythmbox
[06:03] <eyequeue> bob2:  /etc/nsswitch.conf:hosts:          files dns
[06:03] <bob2> yeah
[06:03] <bob2> you'll need to make firefox use esd somehow
[06:03] <eyequeue> bob2:  it seems to ignore both that and the other line i mentioned
[06:03] <bob2> hm, ok, I've never actually changed that myself
[06:04] <eyequeue> bob2:  these days it seems /etc/hosts is completely ignored :(
[06:04] <bob2> hm, yeah
[06:04] <eyequeue> i'm trying to send remoteapproach.com to 127.0.0.3
[06:05] <fangorious> bob2: what does it use by default? oss?
[06:05] <eyequeue> i don't like spyware
[06:05] <bob2> fangorious: yeah
[06:05] <bob2> eyequeue: you could firewall them off
[06:05] <eyequeue> and i don't want my pdf reading habits tracked by anyone without my consent
[06:05] <bob2> I'd really avoid software that lets documents do that
[06:05] <bob2> (ie use xpdf)
[06:06] <fangorious> eyequeue, are you talking about acroread?
[06:06] <eyequeue> bob2:  yeah, but i've got other users on the lan, and they'll end up with the mozilla-acroread plugin
[06:06] <eleusis> hey
[06:06] <eyequeue> fangorious:  yes, and they'll want the js extention, i'm sure
[06:06] <niran> eyequeue, mozplugger + evince = bliss
[06:07] <fangorious> eyequeue, does standalone acroread call home, or just the plugin?
[06:07] <eleusis> what are the meanings of 'universe', 'multiverse' and 'restricted'?
[06:07] <niran> eyequeue, basically instant startup and it opens all pdf files
[06:07] <MrNonchalant> fangorious: javascript
[06:07] <bob2> fangorious: acroread doesn't, it's just that it lets documents do it via javascript
[06:07] <eyequeue> fangorious:  the spyware requires javascript, hence requires the plugin
[06:07] <fangorious> ah
[06:07] <eleusis> disable javascript in acroread 7 if you don't want the call home thing
[06:07] <eleusis> heh
[06:08] <MrNonchalant> eleusis: he already addressed that
[06:08] <eyequeue> or redirect remoteapproach.com to 127.0.0.3 if you can figure out how
[06:09] <eleusis> what are the meanings of 'universe', 'multiverse' and 'restricted'?
[06:09] <bob2> restricted = non-free drivers
[06:09] <bob2> multiverse = non-free software
[06:09] <fangorious> eleusis, universe is all the packages from sid which are not part of the ubuntu core, but are compiled on ubuntu
[06:09] <bob2> universe = free but unsupported software
[06:09] <eleusis> ah, cool
[06:09] <eleusis> thanks
[06:10] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> evening all
[06:10] <eleusis> afternoon :)
[06:10] <eyequeue> niran:  thanks btw
[06:11] <niran> eyequeue, you're welcome
[06:11] <fangorious> anyone know why the Configuring Network Interfaces bootup step takes a full minute with only the loopback interface set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:11] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> just installed ubuntu and am quite pleased by it so far
[06:11] <eleusis> :)
[06:11] <eyequeue> but now i'm concerned that i can't do in ubuntu what i've done in linux for years. anyone have any ideas on how to get /etc/hosts used?
[06:11] <fangorious> would the hotplug stuff having a
[06:11] <fangorious> 'map eth0' be the culprit?
[06:11] <cmug_> I run wpa_supplicant, i have configured everything correctly (afaik), but wpa_supplicant gives "Trying to associate with <wlan ap mac add> (SSID=... freq=...) and then the next line is "Authentication with 00:00:00... timed out" wtf?
[06:11] <MrNonchalant> blah, the new repository chooser on synaptic is a usability nightmare
[06:11] <mjc> greetings =)
[06:12] <MrNonchalant> I should really submit a bug for it
[06:12] <bob2> fangorious: no, it's almost certainly dhcp timeoutes
[06:12] <fangorious> bob2: but why is it trying dhcp for anything? I thought you had to have "auto ethN" to make ethN be configured during bootup
[06:13] <eyequeue> cmug_:  is 00:00:00... the key?
[06:13] <eyequeue> cmug_:  perhaps you need to feed it one?
[06:13] <cmug_> eyequeue, no, it refers to the mac address
[06:13] <cmug_> eyequeue, of the AP that timesout
[06:14] <MrNonchalant> in hoary does anyone know how to add a launcher to a menu? the right click funtionality is gone
[06:14] <fangorious> MrNonchalant, add a .desktop to /usr/share/applications is what I do
[06:14] <cmug_> eyequeue, the problem seems to be that first it sees the AP correctly (mac address) but the timeout comes from a nonexistant AP (00:00:00)
[06:15] <eyequeue> MrNonchalant:  search for Amaranth's menu-editor on the wiki (gnome 2.10 dropped that functionality)
[06:15] <Amaranth> MrNonchalant: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67
[06:15] <MrNonchalant> I wonder why. thanks all three of you.
[06:15] <eyequeue> yeah, or what Amaranth said, heheh
[06:16] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  btw, does that wiki page still show the old deb by explicit version number?
[06:16] <Amaranth> I'm running into bugs in PyXDG and gnome-menus left and right now, so 0.5 isn't going to be ready for awhile.
[06:16] <eyequeue> MrNonchalant:  if it doens't work, browse to te path mentioned
[06:16] <Amaranth> ubuntu guide shows the latest version, dunno about the wiki
[06:16] <bob2> fangorious: hrm, good point
[06:17] <fangorious> MrNonchalant, there's a command that can be used to manage them, desktop-file-install, but I'm not familiar with its usage
[06:17] <eyequeue> MrNonchalant:  as for "why" i've heard that a new method was planned, better for some reason or other, but that it wasn't ready for inclusion by gnome 2.10's release date
[06:17] <fangorious> them being the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[06:18] <JanC> hm, another one who found Ubuntu: http://www.postneo.com/2005/04/09/is-ubuntu-the-server-platform-ive-been-waiting-for  :)
[06:19] <MrNonchalant> k, ty again
[06:19] <PacoBCN> Just saw an amazing laptop... Anyone gives me 2000 to buy it?
[06:19] <Amaranth> eyequeue: GNOME 2.10 switched to the fd.o menu specification so the old methods didn't work anymore.
[06:20] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  ahh, that explains why they didn't just leave the old in, i was wondering that silently (get out of my mind you!) :)
[06:20] <fangorious> bob2, I don't see any mention of "Configuring" in /var/log/(messages|dmesg|syslog)
[06:20] <milqy> hey folks.  why is it that whenever i try and open a .css file (plain old unformatted text) in a fresh Ubuntu 5.04 installation, it doesn't recognize it.  Thus, I try to open it with gedit.  When I click "Ok", it says "Could not add application to the application database" ------ how do i get rid of this?
[06:20] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  any idea what the "new" would have been, that wasn't ready?
[06:20] <Fazer> Hello, does anyone think that Haory is good choice for a laptop ? ( its 366 MHz with 160 MB ram)
[06:20] <Amaranth> eyequeue: ?
[06:21] <milqy> its making it impossible for me to be halfway productive
[06:21] <eyequeue> Fazer:  both i and the laptop i'm typing this on think it is :)  i don't know about that particular one of course
[06:21] <fangorious> Fazer, depends on what hardware is in the laptop (graphics chip, bios, acpi/apm, etc)
[06:21] <Amaranth> eyequeue: They have a menu editor in cvs that might not even make GNOME 2.12, it's complicated.
[06:21] <fallstorm> Fazer, that's a pretty slow laptop and not much ram...
[06:21] <fallstorm> I'd recommend if you do that that you replace gnome and metacity
[06:21] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  well, the gnome team obviously had "something" in mind, even if it wasn't included in 2.10, right?
[06:21] <fangorious> fallstorm, 160 MB ram shouldn't be too bad. I'd run xfce though
[06:21] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:21] <Krys^^> is there a good keyboarding tutor for ubuntu?
[06:21] <Amaranth> eyequeue: gnome-menu-editor in cvs
[06:21] <Fazer> Bah
[06:21] <fallstorm> Yeah.. or blackbox
[06:22] <eclipxe> or xfce
[06:22] <eclipxe> there are new reositories of a new version
[06:22] <Fazer> xfce is newer than blackbox, right?
[06:22] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  i don't know if you're with the gnome team or not, forgive me if i should.  but ... you've managed it, why can't they? ;)
[06:22] <eclipxe> xfce4, yeap, so much fast than before
[06:22] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I like Fluxbox myself
[06:23] <milqy> I don't mean to be impatient, but did anyone see my question above?
[06:23] <eclipxe> im using it on a 128MB Ran Celeron 300Mhz
[06:23] <Fazer> eclipxe: And how is the responce speed?
[06:23] <eyequeue> milqy:  i'm not css fluent, sorry
[06:23] <Amaranth> eyequeue: I'm not a GNOME dev. Their editor is written in C so it takes longer.
[06:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> not I milqy
[06:23] <Fazer> is Ndiswrapper available with Ubuntu?
[06:24] <bob2> Fazer: yes, read the faq
[06:24] <eclipxe> milqy: about the css, i really dont know
[06:24] <jordanau> Fazer, yes it is in the repositiories i dont know if it is on the install cd
[06:24] <fangorious> milqy, I think you might ned to add a mime type, although i'm not sure which location to add it too
[06:24] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> brb
[06:24] <bob2> Fazer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[06:24] <eyequeue> Fazer:  ndiswrapper-utils - Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper
[06:24] <eyequeue> ndiswrapper-source - Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module
[06:24] <frank> eyequue there is a simple menu editor available
[06:24] <b2s> Fazer: yes, and I'm using it :D
[06:24] <Samfu> Does anyone know of an unofficial amd64 muine package, or are there plans for an official package any time soon?
[06:24] <jordanau> bob2, that link is 404
[06:24] <Samfu> For hoary that is
[06:24] <fangorious> you could right-click on the file in nautilus, got to Properties. In that there is an Open With tab
[06:24] <eyequeue> frank:  i've been happy with Amaranth's. but i was just rather surprised that gnome would release without one
[06:25] <milqy> fangorious: right, it gives me the same message,
[06:25] <Fazer> Damn I hate Windows
[06:25] <Fazer> sorry about that
[06:25] <Fazer> b2s: Yes to what?
[06:25] <bob2> jordanau: the website is fucked then, bah
[06:25] <fangorious> milqy, from the open with tab you can specify an application to open that file type with
[06:25] <PacoBCN> Fazer, Windows is still a good... gaming console
[06:25] <milqy> fangorious, eclipxe: its doing this with every file type
[06:25] <Fazer> screw gaming
[06:25] <milqy> fangorious: it won't let me add applications to the open with menu
[06:25] <frank> eyequeue you mean this one? menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:25] <Fazer> Can the person who gave me the link to Ubuntu's ndiswrappre-utls thing please snd it again?
[06:25] <milqy> gives me the same message
[06:25] <b2s> Fazer: you asked if ndiswrapper is available for ubuntu
[06:26] <MrNonchalant> PacoBCN: slash multimedia system
[06:26] <PacoBCN> Fazer, videogames make more money than hollywood!
[06:26] <eyequeue> /usr/games/atc works fine in ubuntu :)
[06:26] <fangorious> milqy, really?! hrm
[06:26] <Fazer> PacoBCN: Haha yeah, but I am not wealthy enough, and my parents hate me so I can't get a desk and get a gaming rig or something.  I don't know how long I can stay with my parents
[06:26] <eyequeue> Filename: pool/universe/b/bsdgames/bsdgames_2.16-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:26] <milqy> it is, for the most part, an untouched installation of Ubuntu Hoary
[06:26] <dazed|> whats everyone up to this night
[06:27] <milqy> all i've added is Apache, PHP, and MySQL
[06:27] <fangorious> milqy, all file types? as in you can't click on any file in nautilus and have it launch an application?
[06:27] <PacoBCN> Fazer, Switching to Ubuntu and moving by yourself are both mature decisions :D
[06:27] <Fazer> PacoBCN: Aye, going to University this fall.
[06:27] <milqy> it only does it in the "Open With" and its related menus
[06:27] <Fazer> And get a Powerbook hopefully before I do.
[06:27] <eyequeue> Fazer:  apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[06:27] <hams> need some help with nfs setup... showmount -e 10.0.1.2 fails
[06:27] <asdf_> what package can i use to take a screenshot?
[06:27] <Fazer> eyequeue: Ah, thanks.  I will do that if I can get Haory to be installed on my lappy.
[06:27] <hams> mount clntudp_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive
[06:27] <asdf_> (besides ksnapshot)
[06:28] <milqy> if an application is already in the Open With list, it works.  However, CSS files dont have any application assigned to them, so its extremely unhandy to open that kind of file.
[06:28] <PacoBCN> Fazer, forget powerbooks, I just saw an amazing laptop with nvidia geforce 256!
[06:28] <Fazer> PacoBCN: I am sick and tired of x86
[06:28] <hams> i've apt-get installed portmap nfs-common nfs-kernel-server
[06:28] <eyequeue> Fazer:  ah, you're new.  any time someone says a command that you need to be root for, prepend a sudo in front.  like:
[06:28] <milqy> i'd have to open up gedit and find the file that way.
[06:28] <fangorious> milqy, so ... the mime type is text/plain and the extension is .css. you double-click (or single, depending on your configuration) to open it and you get an error
[06:28] <eyequeue> Fazer:  sudo et install ndiswrapper-utils
[06:28] <MrNonchalant> asdf_: GIMP doesn't suite your needs?
[06:28] <eyequeue> Fazer:  sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[06:28] <milqy> sort of
[06:28] <Fazer> eyequeue: Ah yeah, thanks a lot dude.
[06:28] <asdf_> GIMP is perfect. i'll apt-get now
[06:29] <eyequeue> Fazer:  sure thing, and welcome
[06:29] <MrNonchalant> asdf_: you don't already have it?
[06:29] <milqy> fangorious: when i attempt to open it with double clicking and choosing "Display" i get "Couldn't Display blahblahblah"
[06:29] <Fazer> I requested the Hoary CDs to be mailed to me =/ Don't know how long that owuld take.
[06:29] <asdf_> i guess i do. after apt-get failed. :)
[06:30] <Fazer> I was asking about ndiswrapper so that I can try to get my Microsoft Wlan card configured with Ubuntu hopefully
[06:30] <eyequeue> Fazer:  have a cd burner?  mailing will probably take weeks, much less than fetching the iso even by dialup :)
[06:30] <MrNonchalant> asdf_: Applications -> Graphics -> GIMP then File -> Acquire -> Screenshot
[06:30] <Fazer> eyequeue: Haha yeah, I lack a CD burner =[
[06:30] <asdf_> Great thanks a lot.
[06:30] <eyequeue> Fazer:  gotcha
[06:30] <Fazer> I have Ubuntu 4.0 mailed to me.
[06:30] <Fazer> But the Live CD won't work on this laptop
[06:30] <eclipxe> Fazer: go to a cyber and ask for download and burn
[06:31] <Fazer> eclipxe: h yeah, good idea.
[06:31] <Fazer> I would get the splash screen but then it would just get a kernel panic
[06:31] <eyequeue> eleusis:  no, but you can probably create a nice broiken mess, if you like to tweak and fix things :)
[06:31] <eleusis> :D
[06:31] <eleusis> why would stuff break?
[06:31] <iso> hi all
[06:32] <eleusis> hi
[06:32] <eclipxe> ajjajajaja
[06:32] <fangorious> milqy, I made a .css file (`echo blah > test.css`) and it has type text/css. if I double-click I get an error "can't display location."
[06:32] <eclipxe> just joking...
[06:32] <eyequeue> eleusis:  just a tiny example, as you upgrade xserver-xfree86, it won't pull in xserver-xorg, i don't think
[06:32] <milqy> urgh
[06:32] <eleusis> ah, yes
[06:32] <milqy> i'm not a gnome guy.
[06:32] <eleusis> nothing really messy there :P
[06:32] <eyequeue> eleusis:  things like "ubuntu-base" aren't in srage or sid or whatever you have, so won't get pulled in
[06:32] <fangorious> milqy, are you using gnome?
[06:32] <eleusis> hmm
[06:33] <milqy> yeah
[06:33] <eleusis> what's in ubuntu-base?
[06:33] <i3dmaster> Noticed that most of livecd using cloop is using blocksize of 65536? Does it has to be this size? or any 512x would work?
[06:33] <milqy> ubuntu default.  i've tried kubuntu but it seems unpolished
[06:33] <epicenter_> Is GTK 2.4.x in Ubuntu's repositories yet?
[06:33] <fangorious> milqy, if I right-click on it and select "Open with Other Application" I get a list of apps. I can select "Text Editor" and it opens in gedit. after that double-clicking opens it in gedit
[06:33] <epicenter_> I can't seem to find it.
[06:33] <Amaranth> epicenter_: 2.4.x?
[06:33] <eyequeue> eleusis:  ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop are meta-pacakges (which pull in other meta-packages too, iirc) and thus contain guarantees you'll get an intact ubuntu
[06:33] <Amaranth> we're up to 2.6.x
[06:34] <milqy> fangorious: see, thats what gives me the error that the application can't be added to the application database.
[06:34] <eleusis> yeah, of course..
[06:34] <fangorious> milqy, is that the full text of the error?
[06:34] <milqy> fangorious: i can't even open it in gedit.
[06:34] <epicenter_> Amranth: This app requires 'GTK+ 2.4.0'.
[06:34] <epicenter_> I assume any 2.4 version would work and I am sure there are many
[06:35] <epicenter_> I know 2.4.1 existas.
[06:35] <epicenter_> *exists too
[06:35] <Amaranth> epicenter_: And it doesn't work now?
[06:35] <eyequeue> eleusis:  tooooo long to paste it all but: Depends: adduser, alsa-base, apt, apt-utils, aptitude, at, base-...ubuntu-keyring...
[06:35] <milqy> the error is titled "Could not add application" and it states "Could not add application to the application database"
[06:35] <fangorious> milqy, do you get the error after gedit opens, or after you hit the Open button in the "Open with" dialog?
[06:35] <dazed_> i have narrowed down my lockups to obsessive eth0 abuse...anyone seen anything like this...the computer locks up to the point of manual restart only started since i updated to hoary
[06:35] <Riddell> milqy: what's unpolished?
[06:35] <milqy> fangorious: after i hit the open button
[06:35] <fangorious> milqy, same error if you open gedit, and then use the Open button in gedit?
[06:35] <milqy> Riddell: i didn't spend a whole lot of time in it, and it was a while ago, but i do remember the login screen was rough looking :).
[06:36] <eleusis> mhmm
[06:36] <eyequeue> eleusis:  if you enjoy tinkering and want to do it, i'd suggest a "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop" before the dist-upgrade
[06:36] <eleusis> :)
[06:36] <milqy> fangorious: nope, i can open it then
[06:36] <epicenter_> Amaranth: Right.
[06:36] <epicenter_> Amaranth: The ./configure script insists it is not installed
[06:36] <milqy> fangorious: but it slows me down to a point where i would be better off using windows2000
[06:36] <dazed_> i have narrowed down my lockups to obsessive eth0 abuse...anyone seen anything like this...the computer locks up to the point of manual restart only started since i updated to hoary
[06:36] <fangorious> milqy, then what does " i can't even open it in gedit" mean?
[06:36] <Amaranth> epicenter_: You're SOL then, hoary depends on 2.6.x being there and 2.4.x would replace it
[06:37] <Amaranth> epicenter_: Have the ./configure to use 2.6.x
[06:37] <Amaranth> err, hack
[06:37] <Fazer> So, wow xfce will work fast on my old laptop (366 MHz with 160 MB ram) ?
[06:37] <milqy> fangorious:  that means that I can't get the "open with" dialogue to open up gedit to edit my file
[06:37] <eleusis> ?
[06:37] <Riddell> milqy: are you using a widescreen monitor?
[06:37] <eyequeue> Fazer:  xfce is much lighter weight, yes
[06:37] <eleusis> hmm
[06:37] <fangorious> Fazer, xfce4 is pretty fast. yes
[06:37] <Fazer> Nice.
[06:37] <milqy> fangorious: nor will it let me open it with abiword, openoffice, or anything else.
[06:38] <fangorious> i've used it quit nicely on a pIII 500 with 128 MB RAM
[06:38] <MrKrrtft> Hi Folks.
[06:38] <PacoBCN> MrKrrtft, hi
[06:38] <MrNonchalant> milqy: I'd imagine you'd just need to specify the file path as a command line parameter
[06:38] <MrNonchalant> for gedit, that is
[06:38] <milqy> Riddell: No, 19" crt
[06:38] <eclipxe> the new xfce (xfce repositiries for debian) has a better version
[06:39] <fangorious> milqy, so nautilus is having trouble writing the new mime type preference
[06:39] <milqy> fangorious: that sounds right.
[06:39] <MrKrrtft> I have a question about Joysticks and Ubuntu.  I have two, a game port MS Sidewinder Pro from 1996 and a USB Logitech.  How do I get them to work under Linux?
[06:39] <MrKrrtft> Ubuntu does recognize the USB one (tail -f /var/log/messages shows that), but not the sidewinder (the one I prefer).
[06:39] <hams> can someone help with nfs setup? showmount -e <server> gives the error: mount clntudp_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive
[06:39] <MrNonchalant> MrKrrtft: planning some serious tux racing? ;)
[06:40] <milqy> fangorious: i apologize, please forgive me for my seeming ignorant... i'm more of a KDE guy, and even then, I'm not by any means an expert.  I do appreciate you're helping me through this
[06:40] <MrKrrtft> MrNonchalant, hehe nope, I want to play my old Mechwarrior 2 games
[06:40] <MrKrrtft> :)
[06:40] <MrKrrtft> Windows XP isn't MW2 friendly.
[06:40] <fangorious> milqy, you don't sound ignorant. i jsut wanted to make sure i understood where the problem was
[06:40] <MrNonchalant> ahk
[06:41] <eyequeue> MrKrrtft:  someone else may know specifics.  i do know that when compiling a kernel, i saw a lot of different joystick options, but not owning one, didn't pay attention.  does ubuntu ship with modules for that device in their default kernel? that i don't know, but if you know the name, try modprobing it
[06:41] <JosephSpiros> OK, with the Hoary LiveCD... I looked up my machine on the Wiki, and it says I need to change a line in Xorg's conf file...
[06:41] <JosephSpiros> but it's a live CD...
[06:41] <eyequeue> MrKrrtft:  "sudo modprobe drivernamehere"
[06:41] <MrKrrtft> eyequeue, that's my problem. I can't seem to find what the modules needed for the gameport are.
[06:42] <JosephSpiros> any way I can pass parameters in on boot, or perhaps use a feature of live-expert to do the equivelant?
[06:42] <JosephSpiros> I need to tell Xorg to not use FBDev
[06:42] <ubuntu> no wifi tools in this release =[
[06:42] <hams>   #ubuntu
[06:42] <hams>   #ubuntu
[06:42] <MrNonchalant> MrKrrtft: if you can't get it to work there, try here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~vojtech/joystick/ it seems to list your kind of joysticks as supported
[06:42] <ubuntu> wanted to have a little linux wireless fun
[06:42] <ubuntu> but at least it found and worked with my wireless
[06:42] <ubuntu> great live cd
[06:43] <MrKrrtft> thanks :) Lemme look at it
[06:43] <eclipxe> modinfo tells you the descrition for the module
[06:43] <milqy> fangorious: if there was some way i could specify "open with" defaults outside of a GUI? is there some text file i can edit somewhere to declare the defaults?
[06:43] <hams> JosephSpiros, after you login you can ctrl-alt-f1 to go a terminal and then edit your configuration file.
[06:43] <fangorious> milqy, that's what i'm looking for. are there any other unrecognised file types you have that this works for?
[06:43] <gcc6> hi
[06:44] <eyequeue> MrKrrtft:  google says this, no idea if it's helpful: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~vojtech/joystick/
[06:44] <gcc6> ubuntu has support ntfs file system ?
[06:44] <dazed_> i have narrowed down my lockups to obsessive eth0 abuse...anyone seen anything like this...the computer locks up to the point of manual restart only started since i updated to hoary
[06:44] <milqy> the "open with" dialog doesn't work at all for anything
[06:44] <MrNonchalant> eyequeue: one step ahead of you
[06:44] <PacoBCN> gcc6, yes, it does
[06:44] <Amaranth> gcc6: Read only support.
[06:44] <eyequeue> gcc6:  linux supports ntfs read-only
[06:44] <MrNonchalant> MrKrrtft: though that says it is included in the 2.3 and 2.2 kernel
[06:44] <PacoBCN> gcc6, writing is very dangerous though
[06:44] <eyequeue> MrNonchalant:  yep, i was off with google, lol
[06:44] <gcc6> ic
[06:45] <eclipxe> gcc6: dangerous and unusefull
[06:45] <milqy> fangorious: I can't use the "Open With" dialog for known file types if I want to open the file with a different app
[06:45] <fangorious> milqy, you might consider submitting a bug against nautilus. I'm not sure of how it handles user mime settings off the top of my head, and I'm not finding an obvious file
[06:45] <gcc6> how the syntax to mount ?
[06:45] <eyequeue> gcc6:  if you would like better write support, petition the authors of ntfs to open their specifications ;)
[06:45] <eclipxe> man mount
[06:45] <milqy> fangorious: Alright, I appreciate your help.  Thanks!
[06:45] <MrKrrtft> eyequeue and MrNonchalant: Yeah thanks.  I've seen that one, but I"m working off the LiveCD so I haven't tried it.  I didn't know if anyone had any first hand experience.  Well if I get it to work I'll blog it fer ya :)
[06:45] <PacoBCN> gcc6, /dev/hda1	/mnt/Windows	ntfs	user,ro,umask=000 0 0
[06:45] <PacoBCN> gcc6, this is for fstab
[06:45] <JosephSpiros> hams: I wasn't sure if it'd be writable...
[06:45] <fangorious> milqy, sorry I couldn't solve it
[06:46] <milqy> fangorious: its alright
[06:46] <JosephSpiros> hams: also, I'm doing this over the phone for a friend that's actually doing it... so I was hoping for something a bit more straightforward
[06:46] <hams> it's writable
[06:46] <JosephSpiros> hams: :)
[06:46] <MrNonchalant> MrKrrtft: thanks, I have a sidewinder myself that I haven't bothered to install  in linux yet
[06:46] <gcc6> ok thx
[06:46] <JosephSpiros> hams: you think that's the only way to do it?
[06:46] <milqy> fangorious: I tend to find myself strange and obscure bugs that no one knows about anyway. :)
[06:46] <fangorious> milqy, wait, I think it might be ~/.local/share/applications
[06:46] <hams> i don't know what's available via kernel boot params
[06:47] <JosephSpiros> hams: well, the "live-expert" image is confusing, wasn't sure if there was perhaps something I could do from there
[06:47] <milqy> fangorious: Any reason why my account doesn't have permissions to access that file?
[06:47] <fangorious> milqy, check the permissions to that folder, make sure you can write files to it
[06:47] <milqy> fangorious: its in my home folder yet i dont have sufficient permissions
[06:47] <griffith> USB problem. Ubuntu wont start
[06:47] <eyequeue> ls -l name-of-the-file
[06:47] <hams> JosephSpiros, are you using 4.10 or 5.04?
[06:48] <fangorious> milqy, no idea why, but i would guess giving yourself write permission will fix it
[06:48] <JosephSpiros> hams: 5.04
[06:48] <fangorious> i would definitely submit a bug for that
[06:48] <eyequeue> milqy:   ls -l name-of-the-file
[06:48] <griffith> after installing new mb I can't run or reinstall ubuntu. there seems to be a IRQ conflict or something with ACPI
[06:48] <milqy> fangorious:  here I am VERY ignorant.  I know very little of file permissions.  If I went to that folder with nautilus running as root and made the permissions "777", would that fix it?
[06:48] <gcc6> whats mean bootstraps error when installing hoary
[06:49] <hams> i'm not familar with the "live-expert" then..
[06:49] <gcc6> the messges read-only filesystem
[06:49] <eyequeue> milqy:  777 is almost always a very bad move, bad security
[06:49] <gcc6> :(
[06:49] <milqy> okay
[06:49] <fangorious> milqy, can you write to ~/.local/
[06:49] <fangorious> ?
[06:49] <milqy> no
[06:49] <knudsen_> Hello. Aften upgrading to the final Hoary, sound in totem (with xine) has disappeared. It still works in xmms and other applications. What can be wrong?
[06:49] <eyequeue> milqy:  for a directory, 775 perhaps
[06:49] <milqy> can't access it.
[06:50] <fangorious> milqy, mine is set to 700
[06:50] <eyequeue> milqy:  for a non-executable file, 664 perhaps
[06:50] <milqy> ok. well, in that folder, i have like 10 icons for "Text Editor"
[06:50] <fangorious> milqy, lol
[06:50] <kh-rit> hi,
[06:50] <MrKrrtft> milqy:  755 means everyone can read it but not write or execute to it
[06:50] <Fazer> hmm, everytime I try to use the LiveCD on my thinkpad, I get kernel panic errors
[06:50] <fangorious> the .local, .local/share, and .local/share/applications folders are all set to 700 for me
[06:50] <milqy> whats a good setting for /var/www ?
[06:51] <milqy> (on a sidenote)
[06:51] <eyequeue> 644
[06:51] <eyequeue> oops
[06:51] <eyequeue> 775
[06:51] <eyequeue> 755
[06:51] <eyequeue> sheesh
[06:51] <hyphenated> MrKrrtft: it means only the owner can write to it, but anyone can read and execute
[06:51] <MrKrrtft> "chmod --help? or "man chmod" give you both the numerical syntax (777) and the letter kind (a+rw)
[06:51] <fangorious> milqy, every file in .local/share/applications is 644
[06:51] <MrKrrtft> hyphenated, thanks :) it's been a while since i've been in linux full time.
[06:52] <eyequeue> MrKrrtft:  btw, "execute" on a file translate to "transversal" if it's on a directory
[06:52] <MrKrrtft> I've been running off the LiveCD since Friday night.  it's interesting not running from a hard disk install :)
[06:52] <milqy> fangorious:  i have the same permissions on my machine. why then is it not behaving the same?
[06:53] <fangorious> milqy, not sure. maybe all the gedit*.desktop files are conflicting with each other and creating the problem
[06:53] <eyequeue> MrKrrtft:  it makes linux slow, and you don't have a home directory to write configs to or files, but are there any other problems i hadn't thought of?
[06:53] <fangorious> anyone know why the system would be trying to configure a network interface at boot when it's not specified as an auto interface in /etc/network/interfac?
[06:54] <fangorious> typos notwithstanding
[06:54] <milqy> fangorious: quick question on the side: is it safe to have it permissible to write to /usr/var?
[06:54] <eclipxe> maybe is set the otion in the kernel
[06:54] <milqy> errrr, /var/www ?
[06:54] <MrNonchalant> eyequeue: at least in warty there were some random errors on the livecd that dissappeared the second I got a install disk
[06:54] <MrNonchalant> *an
[06:54] <fangorious> milqy, i would only allow owner write permissions on that
[06:55] <eyequeue> milqy:  i wouldn't allow "other" write permission, but "user" and "group" should be safe
[06:55] <kh-rit> hi, when I print something, there's an extra paper come out?
[06:55] <kh-rit> just blank
[06:55] <milqy> okay, thanks!
[06:55] <kh-rit> after the printing
[06:56] <MrKrrtft> eyequeue:  the only issue I've come across is wanting to install software and the saving of files.  however, I've been able to save to my Windows share on my wife's computer.  I don't have NVidia drivers so my video is a bit slow, but it's functional :)
[06:56] <dazed|> hey my computer completely locks up to the point of manual restart...its getting more often and it started with the upgrade from warty to hoary...and if im correct i think its only when eth0 is abused anyone know about this?
[06:56] <ubuntu> this is pretty sweet
[06:56] <milqy> well i gotta run, but thanks a ton guys for your help. much obliged
[06:56] <fangorious> milqy, np
[06:56] <eyequeue> dazed_:  what is "abused" there?
[06:56] <ubuntu> i just burned the live cd and im up and running in less than 10min
[06:56] <milqy> i'm just gonna reinstall ubuntu and see if a truly default installation works, then i'll try not to break it
[06:57] <dazed|> the network connection
[06:57] <ubuntu> if it works this well when i install for real.....
[06:57] <eyequeue> dazed_:  um, define "abused" i mean
[06:57] <dazed|> eyequeue, well its only when im transfering files between two computers or when im loading maybe 6 web sites at one time...when its working and transferring a lot of data
[06:58] <dazed|> other times its completely random
[06:58] <dazed|> but more often then not its when its "abused"
[06:58] <eyequeue> dazed_:  i've never had a problem even when i completely saturate the connection here.  is it wired or wireless?
[06:58] <kh-rit> I have more than one scanner, how can I choose the one i want?
[06:58] <MrKrrtft> gotta go thx 4 help :)
[06:58] <kh-rit> with xsane..... anyone know?
[07:00] <dazed|> eyequeue, wired...and its really wierd...im really not sure if it has any connection with the lan...but its getting more frequent and im just trying to narrow this down
[07:00] <cmug_> is
[07:00] <cmug_> Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]  (rev 01)
[07:00] <cmug_> supported?
[07:01] <eyequeue> dazed_:  i'm at a loss as to what to suggest
[07:01] <mjc> think there's a driver for it in linux dunno if ubuntu supports it specifically
[07:01] <cmug_> eth0: Caught WPA supplicant wpa init request
[07:01] <cmug_> eth0: Enabling WPA
[07:01] <cmug_> prism54_hostapd - len=48
[07:01] <cmug_> eth0: Caught WPA drop unencrypted request
[07:01] <cmug_> eth0: islpci_close ()
[07:01] <cmug_> Does that tell you people something?
[07:02] <beh> does anyone know how to remove window decorations in metacity
[07:02] <epicenter_> What version of GTK+ Comes with Ubuntu? Every time I tell this Configure script what version it look for (it wants >2.4.x and I know I have newer than that) ... it just spits it back in my face and says that version's not there. :P
[07:02] <eyequeue> looks to me like wpa encoding (wpa_supplicant?) is misbehaving
[07:02] <cmug_> eyequeue, righty
[07:02] <cmug_> ill look at it even some more
[07:03] <luke_> hey I'm running ubuntu and the applet that has the icon for gaim dissappared. any idea how to get the applet back? or is it a gaim thing?
[07:03] <cmug_> i would like to see a example config
[07:03] <beh> does anyone know how to remove window decorations in metacity or whatever WM ubuntu uses by default
[07:05] <eyequeue> perhaps ii  gaim-data      1.1.4-1ubuntu4 multi-protocol instant messaging client - data
[07:05] <ubuntu> what the heck is gnomemeeting
[07:05] <ubuntu> and why is it frozen up
[07:05] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  an h323 client, i think
[07:05] <eyequeue> ubuntu: teleconferencing
[07:06] <kriebly> ubentu
[07:06] <benz240> oh ok
[07:06] <benz240> are there any IBM Thinkpad users out there?
[07:06] <Fazer> benz240: Yo!
[07:06] <Fazer> I have a 600E, yo?
[07:06] <Fazer> *You
[07:07] <benz240> awesome
[07:07] <elcu> beh: window decorations?
[07:07] <benz240> T42p
[07:07] <Fazer> Oh =(
[07:07] <Fazer> I think my dad has that
[07:07] <Fazer> which makes me hate him more
[07:07] <benz240> hey, those 600E's are tough
[07:07] <benz240> ithey dont make em like that anymore
[07:07] <Fazer> No =(
[07:07] <benz240> the T42 might be faster, but its brittle
[07:07] <Fazer> I am getting an ibook or powerbook before fall.
[07:07] <benz240> cool
[07:07] <nickoli> sweet
[07:08] <nickoli> im getting a mac mini
[07:08] <benz240> except youre getting an apple
[07:08] <benz240> thats the only mistake
[07:08] <benz240> :P
[07:08] <nickoli> mac is good
[07:08] <Fazer> benz240: Shaddap :P IBM Makes proccessors for Apple's G5.
[07:08] <benz240> lol i know
[07:08] <Fazer> benz240: i am getting it mostly for the software.
[07:08] <benz240> i understand
[07:08] <benz240> different strokes
[07:08] <Fazer> But the hardward isn't that bad :P
[07:09] <Fazer> Man, I have the LiveCD for Ubuntu 4.0, but I get kernel panic when I try it out on my thinkpad.
[07:09] <benz240> actually, i like the apple hardware/design more than the software
[07:09] <benz240> im running from the liveCD right now
[07:09] <nickoli> ppc
[07:09] <benz240> it runs great
[07:09] <Fazer> benz240: Nice =(
[07:09] <benz240> i might install it in full if i can get a few things working
[07:09] <nickoli> i prefer the knoppix live
[07:09] <Fazer> I soo want to experience Linux on my laptop right now
[07:09] <Fazer> nickoli: Ah..how does it differ from Ubuntu Live?
[07:09] <eyequeue> Fazer:  4.10?  is it the ppc version?
[07:10] <benz240> wireless, and battery/cpu optomization
[07:10] <Fazer> eyequeue: Oh no no, its for my Thinkpad 600E.
[07:10] <benz240> those are the only two things not working so far
[07:10] <Fazer> benz240: Same here.  I think we need nfidwrapper thingy
[07:10] <Fazer> Thats if you can find the driver for your wifi card.
[07:10] <benz240> yeah...im sure i can
[07:11] <benz240> but i need to get some sleep for now
[07:11] <Fazer> eyequeue: I basically get kernel panic error after the Live CD splashscreen appears.
[07:11] <benz240> maybe ill get it all setup after this semester
[07:11] <Fazer> benz240: Ah, g'night.
[07:11] <Fazer> benz240: Exams coming up?
[07:11] <benz240> later
[07:11] <benz240> haha the end of my life is coming up
[07:11] <Fazer> heh
[07:11] <benz240> exams, projects, exams, presentations, did i mention exams?
[07:12] <benz240> anyway later
[07:12] <Fazer> Yes :p thats tought
[07:12] <Fazer> laters
[07:12] <b2s> :( xine seems to think it can set the region for dvd playing, but I still can't play region 2 dvds
[07:12] <eyequeue> hrm, xine still has no audio here
[07:12] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! How do I activate DMA acceleration on my CD drives? (that is what nero is asking me to do) thanks
[07:13] <eyequeue> yet totem does, and it's totem-xine, go figure
[07:13] <b2s> eyequeue: my xine had no audio until I installed something like liba52
[07:13] <K_Dallas> (can i use hdparm or there is somethign else there for CD drives?)
[07:13] <eyequeue> b2s:  cool, i'll check that
[07:13] <b2s> K_Dallas: yes, that should work I think
[07:13] <K_Dallas> ok, i will try that. thanks
[07:14] <Chipzz> I recently installed hoary on a friends pc (AMD K6 700Mhz, 384MB ram, GeForce 2, HPT 370 ide controller) and it feels horribly slow, both in booting as in starting applications; this system is within specs to run ubuntu reasonably I think, and it runs debian much faster; any ideas what could be wrong?
[07:14] <eyequeue> b2s:  liba52-0.7.4[-dev]  is installed here :/
[07:15] <jeezmos> hey, I seem to remember there being a wireless connection icon being at the top-right by the clock in 4.10, but I don't see it in 5.04.  Can anyone tell me what the name of the program is that I'm looking for (and maybe how I can get that up in that panel again)?
[07:15] <K_Dallas> Chipzz, i am running hoary on a very similar system and it is darn fast :)
[07:15] <b2s> eyequeue: hum, well, worked for me.  I installed practically every codec for ffmpeg, xine, gstreamer, etc, so it could have started working from something else too
[07:16] <epicenter_>  Why can't I seem to find a version of libgtk-dev newer than 2.0 when the 2.6 libraries is installed?
[07:16] <epicenter_> *are installed?
[07:16] <Chipzz> yes that's why I'm wondering - it should be able to run just fine but is *horribly* slow
[07:16] <bob2> epicenter_: you should look at the package version, dude
[07:16] <K_Dallas> too many daemons?
[07:16] <Chipzz> DMA is enabled on the IDE controller btw
[07:16] <epicenter_> bob2: Well, I know 2.0 < 2.6. Isn't that what I am looking at? The version? :P
[07:17] <bob2> epicenter_: huh?
[07:17] <bob2> epicenter_: apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0|grep ^Version
[07:17] <epicenter_> reports nothing
[07:17] <bob2> Version: 2.6.4-0ubuntu3
[07:17] <bob2> Version: 2.6.4-0ubuntu2
[07:17] <eyequeue> epicenter:  Version: 2.6.4-0ubuntu3
[07:17] <bob2> that's what it should print
[07:17] <epicenter_> why the hell is it labelled 2.0 then?
[07:18] <bob2> epicenter_: it's not
[07:18] <epicenter_> 2.0 would indicate 2.0, 2.0.1, 2.0.2, things like that
[07:18] <bob2> epicenter_: the package name contains the SONAME, which is indeed 2.0
[07:18] <epicenter_> not 2.6 ..
[07:18] <eyequeue> epicenter:  2.0-series, i'd guess
[07:18] <epicenter_> wow, that's messed up.
[07:18] <bob2> the version is in the Version
[07:18] <spo0nman> lo bob2
[07:18] <bob2> epicenter_: no, it's not
[07:18] <Chipzz> epicenter_: because 2.6 is backwards compatible with the gtk+ 2.0 series
[07:18] <epicenter_> OK, it's counterintuitive.
[07:18] <bob2> that's true
[07:18] <bob2> spo0nman: hi
[07:19] <edgeoc> anyone know how I can add divx playback on Ubuntu 5.04 on an amd64 system? I tried ubuntuguide.com however, when I add the extra sources and do an apt-get update or apt-get install w32codecs it complains that it cant find a folder on the site that ends in 64.. Im assuming this means that repository doesnt have 64 bit apps... anyone know how I can play divx files?
[07:19] <Fazer> hmm
[07:19] <bob2> edgeoc: w32codecs won't help on amd64
[07:19] <epicenter_> edgeoc: VLC will play them. It has its own codecs.
[07:19] <Fazer> edgeoc: I am not really experienced on this but did you give VLC a try?
[07:19] <bob2> since they're 32-bit windows dlls
[07:19] <Fazer> or VideLAN
[07:19] <epicenter_> It'll handle XViD, MPEG-4, MPEG-2, WMV, etc.
[07:19] <epicenter_> about everything.
[07:19] <Fazer> even gg :P
[07:19] <epicenter_> .MOV and .RM
[07:19] <Fazer> *ogg
[07:19] <edgeoc> VLC?
[07:20] <Fazer> VideoLAN
[07:20] <epicenter_> also known as VideoLAN
[07:20] <Fazer> yes
[07:20] <Fazer> google for it.
[07:20] <epicenter_> apt-get install vlc once enabling Universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:20] <Chipzz> 2 other questions: when can I add breezy to my sources.list, and a couple of weeks ago someone posted a link here to a kernel with graphical boot, where can I find that?
[07:20] <pune> hey does anyone know what that program is called that keeps tabs on certain words as you're typing them in like Gaim
[07:20] <epicenter_> *once you've enabled
[07:20] <b2s> I think something I have installed (not vlc) can play divx, but I need to go find some divx to test
[07:20] <edgeoc> is it in the synaptic pakg manager?
[07:20] <b2s> (I'm an amd64 as well)
[07:20] <epicenter_> god, why am I typing like English isn't my first language tonight ..?
[07:20] <Fazer> edgeoc: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[07:20] <epicenter_> edgeoc: Synaptic just uses apt, so yeah.
[07:20] <Huey> is there a way to make it so that i can use alt+right_click to resize windows instead of alt+middle_click ?
[07:20] <edgeoc> k
[07:20] <edgeoc> Ill take a look
[07:21] <edgeoc> thanks
[07:21] <spo0nman> Is the ubuntu-devel common to ppc too?
[07:21] <epicenter_> I use Apt becaue I am a stubborn bitch who likes to babysit package installs
[07:21] <epicenter_> np
[07:21] <bob2> spo0nman: yes
[07:22] <Mr-Petah> No puede entrar #ubuntu-es (Est vetado). <--- some ops are crazy
[07:22] <dr_willis> Hmm.. dang it  - wife wants me to upload some files to her phone over bluetooth. :P got gnome-bluetooth installed..  but not sure how to use it lol.
[07:22] <pune> hey
[07:23] <pune> oh whatever
[07:23] <pune> I'll figure it out
[07:23] <kkathman> How can I change my default browser (Konqueror) to be something else?
[07:24] <Fazer> isn't export BROWSER="browser" or something?
[07:24] <kkathman> hmm I dunno
[07:25] <Fazer> brb
[07:27] <K_Dallas> well, hdparm set udma2 for my CD drives and nero is no more complaining :) thanks guys
[07:28] <oneovernone> hey I have a question....  When I type "applications:///" into the location bar of nautilus it says it's not a valid location
[07:28] <ice_1963> is fluxbox a desktop
[07:28] <eleusis> no
[07:29] <oneovernone> no it's gnome
[07:29] <eleusis> it's a window manager
[07:29] <dazed|> what about flux
[07:29] <dazed|> its my favorite :)
[07:29] <epicenter_> Does KDE have a process manager included?
[07:29] <epicenter_> or is there one I should install?
[07:29] <eleusis> epicenter_: 'process manager'?
[07:29] <astro76_> epicenter: ksysguard
[07:29] <chavo> epicenter, ksysguard or hit ctrl-esc
[07:30] <kriebly> like in Windows?
[07:30] <eleusis> ...
[07:30] <wilsoniya> yo anyone have any luck setting path vars?
[07:30] <eleusis> wilsoniya: yes
[07:30] <oneovernone> wilsoniya, what do you mean about path vars?
[07:30] <epicenter_> A list of running processes, their resource consumption.
[07:30] <epicenter_> that's the one I am thinking of. Thanks.
[07:31] <wilsoniya> well, just adding dir's to the PATH
[07:31] <wilsoniya> like in order to use java and javac w/o having to type the whole path
[07:31] <beh> yeah
[07:31] <kriebly> export PATH=$PATH:/new/dir:/other/dir
[07:31] <bur[n] er> anyone know if there's a way through the gui to tell a desktop to sleep?
[07:32] <nickoli_> mine does it automatically
[07:32] <wilsoniya> kriebly: did you do that in ~/.bash_profile
[07:32] <kriebly> I would have if I were a bash user
[07:32] <oneovernone> yeah kriebly that's that I do too, but I put it in .bashrc
[07:32] <wilsoniya> mkay
[07:32] <wilsoniya> hmm
[07:32] <wilsoniya> k thanks
[07:33] <kriebly> there may already be a PATH assignment in one of your config files. just change it
[07:33] <wilsoniya> yeah, i've done that in ~/.bash_profile, but w/o success
[07:33] <wilsoniya> i read in the ubuntu forums that the PATH in ubuntu is somewhat screwy
[07:33] <beh> shoulda worked
[07:33] <kriebly> bashrc is for any new shell, while profile is for "login" shells?
[07:33] <beh> type $PATH to check
[07:34] <kriebly> echo $PATH
[07:34] <b2s> :) vlc does a much better job of playing divx than totem-xine and gxine
[07:34] <kriebly> how does it compare to mplayer?
[07:35] <wilsoniya> thanks, i didnt realize you could simply $PATH from a term
[07:35] <kriebly> am used to Bourne
[07:35] <crimsun> kriebly: correct
[07:35] <kriebly> kids these days with their fancyschmancy bash
[07:35] <wilsoniya> she gits r done
[07:38] <thundrcleeze> Awful dead in here.  Kinda peaceful, actually.
[07:38] <goldfish> :)
[07:39] <dazed_> very unusual
[07:40] <kriebly> so, um
[07:40] <dazed_> like i have a  problem
[07:40] <dazed_> lol
[07:40] <cmug_> ioctl[SIOCGIWESSID] : Input/output error
[07:40] <thundrcleeze> does it involve your sound card not working after a dist-upgrade?
[07:40] <cmug_> thundrcleeze, lets stir it up a little then
[07:40] <thundrcleeze> :)
[07:41] <kriebly> if i were to find a package in a sarge repository that had no equivalent in hoary, could i basically assume that it would work installed in hoary?
[07:41] <crimsun> assuming is bad. Sometimes it will work; sometimes, won't.
[07:42] <epicenter_> is Cedega or whatever the hell WineX is called these days buildable in any form or do you basically HAVE to buy their goddamned binaries?
[07:42] <Echylo> you "legally" need to buy them
[07:42] <epicenter_> I hear their CVS is usable but almost alwys broken.
[07:42] <b2s> epicenter_: there has always been the free wine
[07:42] <thundrcleeze> hey crimsun, sleep much?
[07:42] <crimsun> epicenter_: there's cvs, but it lacks copy protection used in newer games.
[07:42] <epicenter_> b2s: Yes, but I doubt it'd run any games.
[07:42] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: not really.
[07:42] <thundrcleeze> insominiac?
[07:42] <epicenter_> Crimsun: Copy protection ,like .. Disc copy protection?
[07:42] <kriebly> does cedega offer rpms or debs?
[07:43] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: no, grading papers. End of term approaching.
[07:43] <epicenter_> Kriebly: Either way I'm not paying them a dime for things they didn't write.
[07:43] <cmug_> Trying to associate with 00:20:a6:52:0c:20 (SSID='armanh' freq=2427 MHz)
[07:43] <cmug_> Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.
[07:43] <cmug_> any ideas?
[07:43] <crimsun> epicenter_: yep.
[07:43] <epicenter_> crimsun: Well, I'd run games from my native Win32 partition, so that's not an issue
[07:43] <edgeoc> hey epicenter I got VLC working and it plays the divx
[07:43] <edgeoc> but no audio
[07:44] <edgeoc> heh
[07:44] <epicenter_> edgeoc: kill esd or artsd
[07:44] <edgeoc> whats up with thtat
[07:44] <toresbe> cmug_: Is the AP using a WEP key? Have you entered that key into your Ubuntu machine?
[07:44] <epicenter_> VLC never works with those running
[07:44] <edgeoc> Bah
[07:44] <epicenter_> crimsun: Where can I get the CVS?
[07:44] <cmug_> toresbe, WPA
[07:44] <b2s> epicenter_: doesn't vlc have esd and artsd plugins?
[07:44] <epicenter_> They seem to hide it
[07:44] <dazed_> bah is right6
[07:44] <epicenter_> b2s: Fucked if I know.
[07:44] <toresbe> cmug_: ah, dunno anything about that
[07:44] <cmug_> toresbe, i try use wpasupplicant
[07:44] <cmug_> +to
[07:44] <kriebly> i would pay cedega, if their product worked well for the games I cared about
[07:44] <cmug_> wep works
[07:44] <cmug_> i tested it yesterday
[07:44] <epicenter_> kriebly: and it probably doesn't
[07:44] <toresbe> cmug_: *apologetic shrug*
[07:44] <kriebly> then i would wipe my windows at home
[07:45] <cmug_> toresbe, heh
[07:45] <epicenter_> if it's the POS it looks like, it wouldn't even CONSIDER paying for it
[07:45] <crimsun> epicenter_: should be a link on their web page.
[07:45] <epicenter_> and they made it by stealing others' work.
[07:45] <kriebly> hmm?
[07:45] <epicenter_> crimsun: If it is, good luck finding it. All I see is propaganda about how wonderful it is and how it works with HL2, and an order form
[07:45] <thundrcleeze> Sounds fun, crimsun.
[07:45] <tommy> hi all
[07:45] <epicenter_> CEDEGA.COM: HALF-LIFE 2! YOU BUY!
[07:45] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: oh yeah.
[07:45] <oneovernone> hiya tommy
[07:46] <tommy> hi blue
[07:46] <tommy> do you play cod uo
[07:47] <tommy> oneovernone do you play cod uo?
[07:47] <eleusis> cod!
[07:47] <tommy> yeah!
[07:47] <eleusis> cod is playable via wine :P
[07:47] <cmug_> hl2 is so slow in cedega
[07:47] <cmug_> so slow...
[07:47] <cmug_> slow....
[07:47] <oneovernone> what's cod?
[07:47] <epicenter_> eleusis: Don't you NEED cedega to run most games?
[07:47] <elcu> Any Zsnes users?
[07:47] <epicenter_> cmug_: How slow and what hardware?
[07:47] <oneovernone> I wish, I never have time to play games
[07:47] <eleusis> epicenter_: i don't know about 'most' games
[07:47] <tommy> call of duty
[07:47] <chavo> cmug_, hl2 runs great here.
[07:47] <spo0nman> how do I make tottem play videos... it always gives no plugin avaliable.
[07:47] <cmug_> epicenter_, 3000+ AMD, 9600XT Radeon, and slow as in unplayable
[07:47] <oneovernone> yeah no
[07:48] <thundrcleeze> chavo, is that without steam, I'd assume?
[07:48] <cmug_> chavo, what hardware?
[07:48] <eleusis> direct3d games such as C&C Generals are unplayable via wine
[07:48] <epicenter_> cmug_: Marvelous. I wonder how they managed that shit.
[07:48] <cmug_> and I use steam
[07:48] <eleusis> but opengl games are mostly fine
[07:48] <oneovernone> my computer isn't up to the task anyway
[07:48] <chavo> cmug_, I just have an old geforce ti4200
[07:48] <eleusis> oi!
[07:48] <cmug_> chavo, Steam HL or normal?
[07:48] <cmug_> ->
[07:48] <eleusis> that's not very old
[07:48] <cmug_> brb
[07:48] <eleusis> i have one :(
[07:48] <epicenter_> eh, I think I can live with switching to Windows to run HL2. I don't play much anyway.
[07:48] <chavo> cmug_, steam
[07:49] <tommy> cya fellaz must on schoole
[07:49] <chavo> but I have a custom login script that runs only hl2.
[07:49] <cmug_> chavo, bizarre
[07:49] <oneovernone> does anybody know why the special addresses in nautilus like "applications:///" wouldn't work?
[07:49] <chavo> I log out and then log back in.
[07:49] <elcu> spo0nman: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#codecs
[07:49] <cmug_> oh well, i dont play games
[07:49] <cmug_> xept on my xbox
[07:49] <edgeoc> Gotta find a different solution from killing arts everytime I want to play a divx movie in vlc
[07:49] <chavo> If I try to run it while KDE is running it's a little slower.
[07:49] <thundrcleeze> can anyone get wine (the free kind) to play any new games?
[07:50] <beh> thundrcleeze probably not
[07:50] <epicenter_> Is there a means to change X resolution and refresh rate in KDE? Or do I have to edit my xorg.cfg for that?
[07:50] <epicenter_> *.conf
[07:51] <crimsun> edgeoc: configure artsd to release the sound device after 2 seconds of inactivity
[07:51] <cmug_> epicenter_, you can change reso with ctrl-alt-plus/minus after you have configured them in the .conf file.
[07:52] <cmug_> but it prolly needs a X restart after editing the conf
[07:52] <epicenter_> edit it in what way?
[07:52] <epicenter_> right now it zooms in and out.
[07:52] <chavo> You can also do it in Control Center -> Peripherals -> Display.
[07:53] <cmug_> epicenter_, add resolutions :)
[07:53] <epicenter_>  60hz is my only choice in the Control Center. Why's that?
[07:53] <elcu> Any Zsnes users?  It runs really slow with 2xSai enabled.  I'm on a P4 w/ 9600Pro.  I've got 3d support working.  Any ideas?
[07:53] <chavo> epicenter, you need to edit your xorg.conf
[07:53] <epicenter_> This display supports up to 100 Hz at 1024x768
[07:53] <dazed__> im starting to get extremely flustered with this locking up business
[07:53] <chavo> elcu, I installed it but haven't tried it out yet.
[07:53] <elcu> chavo: that helps. :)
[07:54] <toresbe> epicenter_: in your xorg.conf file there are two lines, horiz and vert something.
[07:54] <chavo> yeah, been busy lately.
[07:54] <toresbe> epicenter_: edit those to your monitors' specs
[07:54] <epicenter_> HorizSync and VertRefresh. But, VertRefresh goes up to 72 in the xorg.conf and it's only letting me to 60. :P
[07:55] <epicenter_> Doesn't that indicate it's not interpreting the xorg.conf correctly?
[07:55] <edgeoc> crimsun, How do I do that?
[07:56] <crimsun> edgeoc: in the a/v options of the control panel
[07:57] <edgeoc> av options of the control panel? what control panel?
[07:57] <edgeoc> this isnt window
[07:57] <edgeoc> windows
[07:57] <crimsun> edgeoc: go to the arts section of the kde control center or whatever
[07:57] <edgeoc> kde?
[07:57] <edgeoc> im in gnome
[07:57] <edgeoc> ubuntu
[07:57] <edgeoc> 5.04
[07:57] <edgeoc> not kubunt
[07:57] <crimsun> edgeoc: so why are you messing with artsd?
[07:58] <edgeoc> what do I know, I was told that is why vlc wont play audio
[07:58] <edgeoc> I dont know what Im using
[07:58] <edgeoc> whatver came with ubuntu
[07:58] <edgeoc> Its a fresh install from like 2 hours ago
[07:58] <crimsun> edgeoc: System>Preferences>Sounds
[07:58] <crimsun> edgeoc: uncheck "Enable sound server startup"
[07:58] <crimsun> Sound, rather
[07:58] <edgeoc> that wont mess stuf up?
[07:59] <crimsun> depends on when you plan to start vlc
[07:59] <ice_1963> i'm runing fluxbox right now it's cool =)
[07:59] <crimsun> esd is configured by default to release the sound device after 5 seconds of inactivity
[08:00] <ish> a bit off topic, but can anyone suggest a decent font for long hours of coding on a 17" LCD monitor, 1280x1024.
[08:00] <edgeoc> am i using esd?
[08:00] <deFrysk> comic sans
[08:00] <jldugger_> how can i log into the admin account of swat?
[08:00] <crimsun> edgeoc: if you're using Ubuntu, yes (not Kubuntu as you stated)
[08:00] <epicenter> What was the recommendation to stop having to kill esd/artsd when VLC is run? .. I missed it.
[08:00] <edgeoc> ok well if it releases it after 5 seconds how come I dont hear sound in vlc if i wait 5 seconds
[08:01] <epicenter> it'd be a niec thing to know
[08:01] <epicenter> oh, we're still discussing it .. :P
[08:01] <edgeoc> heh
[08:01] <edgeoc> yea
[08:01] <crimsun> just pkill esd whenever you have to run it
[08:01] <epicenter>  Or i guess I could add it to my shortcut to VLC.
[08:01] <crimsun> I use polypaudio, so I'll have to investigate in the morning
[08:01] <epicenter> Maybe I should just stop it from running. Event sounds aren't amazing
[08:01] <edgeoc> there isnt an easier way to just play divx in totem so I dont have to disable this thing every tiem I want to use vlc to watch a video?
[08:01] <epicenter> what's polypaudio?
[08:02] <edgeoc> does totem need esd?
[08:02] <scott> so is there going to be another branch now that hoary is out that will have the latest stuff? any guesses when it will be available?
[08:02] <crimsun> it's a drop-in replacement for esd that was removed from Hoary's default config for a number of reasons
[08:02] <epicenter> as edgeoc said; is there a plugin for VLC to make it support artsd or esd?
[08:02] <deFrysk> scott, about 6 weeks
[08:02] <jldugger_> Hey, I can't seem to edit any Samba settings over SWAT. Is there a special account for that?
[08:02] <b2s> edgeoc: search in synaptic for the vlc plugin
[08:02] <scott> deFrysk: it's called badger right?
[08:03] <deFrysk> scott, something like that yup
[08:03] <crimsun> epicenter: install vlc-plugin-esd
[08:03] <Fazer> Urgh! stupid kernel panic!
[08:03] <Fazer> I cant get the livecd to work
[08:03] <deFrysk> scott, probably will be announced here as soon as the repo wil be usable
[08:04] <epicenter> crimsun: I'm using KDE so I added vlc-plugin-arts
[08:04] <epicenter> but it didn't help. :P
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000270]  mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:128
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000274]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000274]  arts audio output error: arts_init failed (can't connect to aRts soundserver)
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000274]  main audio output error: couldn't find a filter for the conversion
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000274]  main audio output error: couldn't set an output pipeline
[08:05] <epicenter> 
[08:05] <Fazer> bah, can anyone help me ?
[08:05] <epicenter> can't connect to Arts? What the .....
[08:05] <deFrysk> hmmm #flood
[08:05] <Fazer> does anyone else get any Kernel Panic errors when booting from a LiveCD?
[08:05] <crimsun> Fazer: not I
[08:05] <Fazer> bah
[08:05] <Fazer> fucking peace of shit thinkpad
[08:05] <edgeoc> i installed the esd plugin for vlc form synaptic
[08:06] <edgeoc> Do i have to enable it or somehting somehow?
[08:06] <crimsun> Fazer: you might want to search the wiki for hardware support; there are some notes regarding thinkpad support
[08:06] <epicenter> edgeoc: You're in the same boat I am, but replace esd with arts and synaptic with apt
[08:06] <edgeoc> nmd
[08:06] <edgeoc> IT WORKS
[08:06] <edgeoc> YES!!!!!
[08:06] <epicenter> damn you
[08:06] <edgeoc> heh
[08:06] <cmug_> fix my wlan
[08:06] <Fazer> crimsun: But I don't think they are for LiveCD?
[08:06] <cmug_> anyone with PCMCIA & WPA wireless?
[08:07] <crimsun> Fazer: still worth reading
[08:07] <Fazer> crimsun: Alright, tanks
[08:07] <Fazer> *thanks
[08:07] <aru> I have an actiontec dsl modem hooked up USB which shows up, anyone know how to set up ubuntu with it so I can use the internet?
[08:08] <epicenter> aru: Support for USB attached modems is shitty. I'd buy a cheap router.
[08:08] <_blue> does ubuntu live come with xchat?
[08:08] <aru> so no
[08:08] <epicenter> Make the process totally transparent and odds are, Ubuntu will find the NIC you attach it to easily.
[08:08] <epicenter> Also, A NIC connection is faster than USB.
[08:09] <rj_> anyone know how to fix em8300 drivers?  Synaptic package is broken :(
[08:09] <epicenter> aru: They're maybe $30 at the store
[08:09] <crimsun> _blue: yes
[08:09] <_blue> nice :)
[08:09] <aru> epicenter: so thats a no, thanks
[08:09] <epicenter> np
[08:09] <_blue> got ubuntu installed tonight on test box
[08:09] <epicenter> I may be wrong
[08:10] <epicenter> but that's a more enjoyable alternative to setting up the usb modem :P
[08:10] <_blue> gonna run live on this box to test see about switching
[08:10] <epicenter> they're flaky in WINDOWS.
[08:10] <epicenter> What am I missing if VLC still cannot play audio with the ARTS plugin?
[08:10] <aru> you can't solve everyones problem by buying more stuff
[08:10] <edgeoc> hrm, after watching a vid for a while the audio looses sync with the vid
[08:10] <cmug_> usb modem >/dev/null
[08:10] <edgeoc> BAH
[08:10] <epicenter> cmug_: thought so ;)
[08:10] <crimsun> edgeoc: yes, a latency issue. Many people dislike esd for that reason.
[08:11] <epicenter> ESD seems to just be a piece of crap :P
[08:11] <edgeoc> heh
[08:11] <jirwin> hello
[08:11] <edgeoc> Maybe I should just stick to watching divx on my windows box
[08:11] <kriebly> does ubuntu standardize on one audio library?
[08:11] <epicenter> Do I have to ENABLE the plugin in VLC somehow?
[08:12] <aru> so my only solution is to buy some more crap?
[08:12] <jirwin> has anyone ripped dvds to divx on ubuntu in here?
[08:12] <crimsun> epicenter: / edgeoc: you could try the alsa plugin for it, but you'd still have to kill esd/artsd
[08:13] <ctd> jirwin: you should use theora for that. :)
[08:13] <edgeoc> hrm
[08:13] <epicenter> so what is the point of the alsa plugin? Having to kill artsd or esd is what we are trying to fix
[08:13] <edgeoc> yea
[08:13] <Burgundavia> jirwin, check out thoggen. Rips to theora with a pretty interface
[08:13] <crimsun> at least you won't have latency issues with alsa.
[08:13] <epicenter> I haven't had those
[08:14] <edgeoc> well I have
[08:14] <edgeoc> :-p
[08:14] <edgeoc> so no good
[08:14] <jirwin> just to be clear theora is a replacement for divx?
[08:14] <epicenter> I wouldn't mind stopping alsa or esd if it STARTED AGAIN when I closed the audio app.
[08:14] <edgeoc> yea
[08:14] <epicenter> would making a shortcut lead to killall artsd;vlc;artsd do it?
[08:14] <epicenter> Would artsd wait for VLC to die before it launched?
[08:14] <epicenter> or launch the instant VLC did?
[08:15] <crimsun> artsd continually polls the sound device if it can't successfully grab it
[08:15] <aru> does usb even work at all in ubuntu?
[08:15] <epicenter> aru: Uh, yes. :P
[08:15] <crimsun> you can tell esd to autospawn by changing /etc/esound/esd.conf
[08:15] <epicenter> very well
[08:16] <epicenter> crimsun: What's to stop it from spawning again when VLC is active?
[08:16] <aru> its just usb modems that dont work?
[08:16] <angelous> i need help with gtkpod?
[08:16] <epicenter> aru: most of them
[08:16] <crimsun> epicenter: vlc has the device
[08:16] <epicenter> ah.
[08:16] <epicenter> can I do this for artsd too?
[08:16] <epicenter> then launch vlc with a shortcut going to killall artsd;vlc ?
[08:16] <thundrcleeze> "nice" ubuntu article on /.
[08:16] <crimsun> epicenter: if you set the timeout for artsd to the lowest value, yes
[08:17] <crimsun> epicenter: in which case there shouldn't be any need to kill artsd
[08:17] <aru> most, so some do work
[08:17] <epicenter> crimsun: Where do I do this timeout setting?
[08:17] <edgeoc> to my suprise, It seems that a lot of the stuff on ubuntuguide.com wont even work on a 64 bit system because there arent 64 bit repositories on those extra repositories you need to add for many of their instructions to work
[08:17] <edgeoc> :(
[08:17] <epicenter> edgeoc: If the program is in AMD64 its libraries will be too
[08:17] <epicenter> but that it isn't a guarantee all the functionality is there
[08:18] <crimsun> epicenter: in the sound settings (arts?) for kde's control settings
[08:18] <epicenter> I'm sure the porters tested them with some degree of thoroughness though
[08:18] <epicenter> Set it to what, 1 second?
[08:18] <crimsun> edgeoc: sometimes there are separate amd64 repos for external
[08:18] <crimsun> epicenter: sure
[08:19] <aru> so lets say someone had a usb modem that was outside of the "most" category, how would they get theirs working, or would it just magicly work?
[08:20] <jirwin> is thoggen a package?
[08:20] <ubuntu> w00t, on ubuntu live
[08:22] <eleusis> heh
[08:22] <cikilin> hello
[08:23] <cikilin> is anybody usingdcgui-qt?
[08:23] <oneovernone> does anybody know why the special addresses in nautilus like "applications:///" wouldn't work?
[08:23] <crimsun> oneovernone: it was removed from gnome 2.10
[08:23] <jirwin> Burgundavia, hey
[08:23] <crimsun> oneovernone: (well, applications:/// was )
[08:23] <oneovernone> ooh...  that would explain things...
[08:23] <jirwin> Burgundavia, how would i install thoggen...
[08:24] <oneovernone> thanks, crimsun, I've been reading all sorts of documentation and help that said "do this..."
[08:24] <Burgundavia> jirwin, http://thoggen.net/
[08:24] <b2s> has anyone tried using xmms-crossfade?
[08:24] <oneovernone> In fact I think it said that in the Ubuntu help too...  oops
[08:24] <jirwin> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:25] <Burgundavia> jirwin, download and install from there. Breezy isn't open yet, so it hasn't been imported into Ubuntu
[08:25] <oneovernone> b2s, I use xmms-crossfade
[08:25] <Burgundavia> jirwin, I suspect that thoggen will make Gnome 2.12 or .14
[08:25] <epicenter> ugh. Now nothing can play sound.
[08:25] <epicenter> restarting
[08:25] <b2s> hmm, so I guess that means it isn't just the package that's broken. darn.
[08:25] <jirwin> Burgundavia, thanks...what is Breezy?
[08:25] <cikilin> is anybody using dcgui-qt please help!!1111
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jirwin, the next version of Ubuntu
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jirwin, Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10
[08:26] <jirwin> Burgundavia, ahh ok
[08:26] <oneovernone> crimsun, do you know how to edit launcher items in the applications list?
[08:26] <ells> I have done it, I can actually compress and copy a dvd natively in linux
[08:26] <jirwin> Burgundavia, well I guess I can wait 6 months then
[08:26] <jirwin> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jirwin, thoggen is good, use it now
[08:26] <thenuke> oh btw, why I was offered for about ~50 upgraded packets when I did apt-get upgrade on warty?
[08:26] <thenuke> this happened after release of hoary
[08:27] <thenuke> and I was not upgrading to hoary
[08:27] <cikilin> why if you start a program it doesnt remeber settings?
[08:27] <b2s> oneovernone: did you have to do anything unusual to get the crossfade output to work?
[08:27] <Burgundavia> thenuke, if that is fresh install, there have been about 50 security alerts
[08:28] <thenuke> Burgundavia: it was not fresh
[08:28] <oneovernone> Umm... once you install it go into xmms go to options-preferences, and change the output plugin
[08:28] <Burgundavia> thenuke, that is odd
[08:28] <cikilin> why nobody is helping me?
[08:28] <jirwin> in synaptic, is there anyway to use it to install .deb packages
[08:29] <Burgundavia> jirwin, nope, sorry
[08:29] <Burgundavia> jirwin, got to resort to command line
[08:29] <SeamusLP> cikilin: whats the problem?
[08:29] <epicenter> Success!
[08:29] <epicenter> Thanks for the help, Crimsun.
[08:29] <Burgundavia> jirwin, sudo dpkg -i thoggen.deb
[08:29] <jirwin> Burgundavia, oh no problem with command line...just would be a neat feature
[08:29] <keyvan__> hey there
[08:30] <Burgundavia> jirwin, there is talk, but generally the stuff just should be add to the repos
[08:30] <b2s> oneovernone: darn, I did that, but it just seems to crash.  I can still go into preferences, but songs don't play and the timer stays at 0
[08:30] <jirwin> Burgundavia, true that.
[08:30] <oneovernone> hmmm...
[08:31] <eleusis> hey, Burgundavia is here too :P
[08:31] <oneovernone> b2s, darn I dunno.. it worked right off the bat for me.  Try fiddling with the setting for the output plugin
[08:31] <ells> I have done it, I can actually compress and copy a dvd natively in linux
[08:31] <Burgundavia> eleusis, I am often here
[08:31] <Debian3x> hello
[08:31] <oneovernone> make sure sample rate is 44.1 kbps
[08:31] <aru> how would I setup a new adsl connection?
[08:31] <b2s> ok
[08:32] <keyvan__> hey folks i was hoping someone could lend a hand with burning an ISO in linux, apparently cdrecord is the key, and that only works with scsi devices (mine is ide), now it seems i need to add a line in the grub config file, but i dnot know where that is, as it is not the default path here in ubuntu, any help?
[08:32] <eleusis> :)
[08:32] <crimsun> keyvan__: it works fine with ATAPI drives
[08:32] <b2s> keyvan__: cdrecord should work fine with atapi these days
[08:32] <keyvan__> ah
[08:32] <crimsun> keyvan__: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX (replace X)
[08:33] <keyvan__> then perhaps i am using hte wrong command? i used this command and it yielded in a bad disk after 10 seconds of "Fixating"
[08:33] <Debian3x> hmm might try emulating your ide drive as a scsi by passing the command to the kernal
[08:33] <keyvan__> ah okay, and it does track at once
[08:33] <keyvan__> yeah debian3x, thats what i foudn while googling and thats why i asked about the grub config file path
[08:33] <Debian3x> but that is only if your cdrw is a adapti
[08:33] <crimsun> it should not be necessary to use ide-scsi
[08:33] <crimsun> cdrecord does support ATAPI natively
[08:34] <crimsun> you might want to ensure that your ATAPI drive has DMA enabled
[08:34] <b2s> oneovernone: aparently I must have broken the config somehow... deleting that section and using the default config works perfectly for me also
[08:34] <Debian3x> so who in here uses ubuntu
[08:35] <epicenter> ............
[08:35] <aru> guess i'll format it, thanks
[08:35] <Tomcat_> Bad question.
[08:35] <keyvan__> sheesh
[08:35] <epicenter> HI WELCOME TO GERMANY WHO'S GERMAN HERE
[08:35] <Tomcat_> Ask who doesn't use it.
[08:35] <jirwin> Burgundavia, is thoggen always this slow?
[08:35] <keyvan__> alrighty, and crimsun, how do i make it use disk at once instead of track at once?
[08:35] <keyvan__> there seems not to be a switch for that
[08:35] <helloyo> epicenter, welcome to germany? i'm not in germany
[08:35] <Debian3x> lol okies what im wondering is how is the instal/setup say compared to slackware
[08:35] <Burgundavia> jirwin, yes, it took my 30 hours to rip a 2 hours movie
[08:35] <Burgundavia> jirwin, that is one of the things they are working on
[08:36] <keyvan__> Debian3x, its very easy
[08:36] <jirwin> Burgundavia, I should hope so
[08:36] <crimsun> keyvan__: -dao
[08:36] <epicenter> helloyo: It's a Joke. Christ. He came into #ubuntu and asked who was using Ubuntu
[08:36] <Debian3x> i didnt have any problems installing slackware but  i want to set up a full version of linux for my finace and not spend hours conifguring it
[08:36] <keyvan__> yeah? it didnt work crimsun i tried... maybe my cdrecord is outdated or something.. it says defaulting to tao when i do that...
[08:36] <keyvan__> yeah
[08:36] <keyvan__> is it because its CDrecord Clone?
[08:36] <crimsun> keyvan__: if your burner supports BURNFREE or whatever, look at driveropts, too
[08:37] <eleusis> excellent.. ubuntu-calendar* work fine on Debian Unstable ;)
[08:37] <keyvan__> nah its an old burner
[08:37] <ubuntu> If I want to move the contents of a folder called "App" to /usr/loca/App, would I just mv App /usr/local/App
[08:37] <ubuntu> >
[08:37] <crimsun> ubuntu: or just, mv App /usr/local/
[08:37] <ubuntu> Thanks
[08:37] <beh> but ubuntu your first way works too
[08:37] <beh> just to let you knw
[08:37] <epicenter> what has to be done to chroot to my other partition? I have Ubuntu-i386 and Ubuntu-AMD64 on the other, I want to chroot to 32-bit to run 32-bit apps.
[08:37] <jirwin> Burgundavia, so is there anything that would just allow me to decrypt dvds?
[08:37] <crimsun> (though to be correct, you'd want mv App /usr/local/.
[08:37] <crimsun> )
[08:38] <ells> has anyone been able to copy dvds for use on their home player
[08:38] <keyvan__> yeah i give up
[08:38] <Debian3x> now ubuntu does it come bundle with a crossover office
[08:38] <keyvan__> im gonna use knoppix in one drive
[08:38] <keyvan__> and use k3b, thanks for the help
[08:38] <scott> anyone know what the xorg development files package is named?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> jirwin, hmm, no idea. I think you would have to transcode as well
[08:38] <beh> Debian3x no i beleive crossover office isnt free
[08:38] <ian> is APM better supported in Hoary?
[08:39] <Debian3x> its not but they have a free trial
[08:39] <beh> Debian3x ohh
[08:39] <ubuntu> What if I wanted to move all of the contents of a dir to another, but I don't actually want to move the dir?
[08:39] <beh> use a *
[08:39] <beh> mv /whatever/* /wherever/
[08:39] <ubuntu> Thanks
[08:39] <jirwin> Burgundavia, is transcode in Hoary?
[08:39] <ice_1963> it;s not free
[08:40] <Burgundavia> jirwin, it is, should be in universe or multiverse
[08:40] <Debian3x> bey you sure it isnt rm-rf heh j/k
[08:40] <fubz> anyone notice that gnome menu editor doesnt remove an item? but it can create one? anyone able to show me how to remove something im all ears!
[08:40] <Debian3x> beh even
[08:40] <beh> ?
[08:40] <Debian3x> ^^^^
[08:40] <jirwin> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:40] <Burgundavia> jirwin, hey np
[08:41] <epicenter> Is there a good reason for Wine to crash whenever I run anything in it (even as simple as MSPaint or Notepad.exe)?
[08:41] <epicenter> Or is the version of Wine on Universe really really old ...?
[08:41] <da_bon_bon> can someone tell me how is the hoary install process different from warty ? coz i dont have a hoary cd, and cant download it.
[08:41] <Burgundavia> epicenter, where is your wine from? Napa valley or France?
[08:41] <revelater> anyone here know how to program?
[08:41] <revelater> c++
[08:41] <beh> off topic but why would you want to run notepad.exe
[08:41] <epicenter> Burgunadvia: WINE.
[08:41] <epicenter> the Windows imitator.
[08:42] <Burgundavia> epicenter, lol. seriously, I would take the newer stuff from winehq
[08:42] <epicenter> fine
[08:42] <Burgundavia> epicenter, wine is such a moving target, it is hard to keep it up to date
[08:42] <epicenter> beh: Because running Quake 3 as my first test would be unscientific
[08:42] <epicenter> beh: I mean god damn :P
[08:42] <scott> anyone know what the xorg development files package is named?
[08:42] <beh> cedega would probably run games better
[08:43] <crimsun> scott: x-dev
[08:43] <beh> formerly known as winex
[08:43] <epicenter> beh: Yeah, but I hear Cedega's CVS is broken
[08:43] <beh> oh i have no idea
[08:43] <epicenter> and will always be :P
[08:43] <hondje> Anyone notice gimp crashing when trying to insert text into an image?
[08:43] <beh> google for a torrent
[08:43] <epicenter> I can't even FIND Cedega
[08:43] <beh> :-/
[08:43] <epicenter> They seem to hide it
[08:43] <kriebly> the commercial product...
[08:43] <hondje> epicenter: transgaming.org
[08:43] <epicenter> I know, where ON the site? It's clearly hidden
[08:43] <epicenter> the ORDER FORM is apparent :P
[08:43] <hondje> You have to pay to download
[08:43] <epicenter> oh and HOLY SHIT OH MY GOD HALF LIFE 2
[08:44] <epicenter> The CVS is free. But I can't find it.
[08:44] <jldugger_> it doenst matter much. the CVS doesn't have everything
[08:44] <epicenter> I hear all it is missing is copy protection, which I don't need
[08:44] <epicenter> I will run games from my mounted XP partition
[08:45] <jldugger_> as i understand it, its also missing most of the directX acceleration
[08:45] <epicenter> Then why would anyone use it? :P
[08:45] <hojo> sorry, just joined, are you talking about wine right now?
[08:45] <chavo> epicenter, that doesn't always work either. Especially if your XP is ntfs
[08:45] <jldugger_> but i'll find the cvs repository for ya ;)
[08:45] <epicenter> It's fat32
[08:45] <epicenter> and why would your CVS be missing its basic functionality?
[08:45] <beh> ive ran steam with counter strike in cedega
[08:45] <epicenter> Cedega is Wine + DirectX capability
[08:45] <jldugger_> epicenter, if they gave away the code, nobody'd pay for the binaries?
[08:45] <hondje> HL2 runs like crap in cedega though
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: + copy protection for the paid version
[08:45] <hondje> Some people have luck, but I couldn't get it working well
[08:45] <epicenter> jldugger_: If it's broken ... as CVS often is
[08:46] <chavo> hl2 runs great for me.
[08:46] <epicenter> jldugger: I more want to run Quake 3 and some basic emulators
[08:46] <Debian3x> anyone try to emulate FFXI
[08:46] <epicenter> Debian3x: Who would want to? :P
[08:46] <Debian3x> me
[08:46] <epicenter> .....
[08:46] <epicenter> I pity you
[08:46] <kriebly> why does cedega site have a Tron 2.0 banner?
[08:46] <jldugger_> you want quake 3
[08:46] <chavo> epicenter, doesn't quake 3 have linux binaries?
[08:46] <jldugger_> and emulators
[08:46] <epicenter> Quake 3 has no support for ALSA.
[08:46] <Debian3x> lol its the only thing that keeps me on a windows pc is support for my games
[08:46] <jldugger_> to run on cedega?
[08:46] <epicenter> You have to use SDL and it has no SDL build
[08:47] <epicenter> you don't
[08:47] <epicenter> need to space
[08:47] <epicenter> out your text
[08:47] <Arnia> Thank goodness I don't play games :)
[08:47] <da_bon_bon> kriebly: whats tron 2.0 ?
[08:47] <hondje> Is there a way to anonymously submit bugs? I hate registering
[08:47] <kriebly> this is what I'm asking?
[08:47] <kriebly> Tron was a movie
[08:47] <epicenter> tron 2.0 is a game
[08:47] <kriebly> there were some arcade game spinoffs of it
[08:47] <hojo> does anyone else here have the problem where they need to killall the esound daemon (esd) to use things like xmms, streamtuner, totem, enemy territory because hoary won't relinquish sound control?
[08:47] <TongMaster> Tron is a lifestyle
[08:47] <epicenter> a bad game
[08:48] <Debian3x> yes quake 3 does have a linux version, i actually own a version of quake 3 for linux
[08:48] <kriebly> "Disks of tron" was a cool arcade game
[08:48] <epicenter> Debian 3x: but it has NO ALSA SUPPORT
[08:48] <epicenter> so NO AUDIO.
[08:48] <epicenter> That is a small problem :P
[08:48] <da_bon_bon> can it use oss ?
[08:49] <epicenter> yes, but my card is in ALSA
[08:49] <ubuntu> When I try to move dir from one place to another, I can't overwrite, even when using -f?
[08:49] <Debian3x> hmm it been a while since i used the linux version dont think i used ALSA back then
[08:49] <beh> do you have write permisions
[08:49] <kriebly> what is the preferred sound lib these days?
[08:49] <ubuntu> beh, yes
[08:50] <beh> did u use -R
[08:50] <ubuntu> beh, what I'm trying to do is update a game (UT2k4)
[08:50] <ubuntu> Yes
[08:50] <beh> what does it say
[08:50] <ubuntu> mv: cannot overwrite directory `/usr/local/games/ut2004/Animations'
[08:51] <ubuntu> For several different dirs I try moving
[08:51] <Debian3x> Ubuntu at  85% done burning
[08:51] <epicenter> move the contents
[08:51] <epicenter> not the dirs
[08:51] <epicenter> mv animations/* whateverdir/animations/*
[08:51] <epicenter> let it replace the files inside.
[08:51] <epicenter> if you DID replace the dir you'd break UT2004
[08:51] <epicenter> by deleting anything not updated
[08:51] <ubuntu> epicenter, yeah I've done that, but there's so many files, I was hoping there'd be a quicker way for the next match
[08:52] <beh> well the * means everything inside
[08:52] <epicenter> see if an extraction tool will do it for you
[08:52] <jldugger_> man, he wasn't kidding, its like impossible to find the winex cvs
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: alsa has oss emulation... try this - "mpg321 -o oss FILE.MP3"
[08:53] <jirwin> would anyone know why synaptic is telling me transcode can't be found?
[08:53] <jldugger_> http://cvscedega.linux-gamers.net/WineCVS.sh    <-- maybe that will help?
[08:53] <beh> you dont have the right repositories enabled
[08:53] <ben_> hello
[08:54] <ben_> I just installed ubuntu today.. very impressive.. it's my first time installing linux and I have no reason to go back to windows now
[08:54] <beh> hi
[08:54] <beh> good to hear
[08:54] <epicenter> da_bon_bon: I assume Quake 3 does not have an oss parameter I can run
[08:54] <filip_> how can i log in as root?
[08:54] <epicenter> even if mpg321 does
[08:54] <epicenter> filip: you don't. sudo -s as a normal user
[08:55] <jldugger_> epicenter, pretty sure if q3 doesn't have alsa support, it runs oss native
[08:55] <jldugger_> so you dont need the option
[08:55] <epicenter> well it can't get audio
[08:55] <epicenter> it fails to open /dev/dsp
[08:55] <jldugger_> might have to kill esd
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: but alsa has oss emulation built in, so if someone calls for sound thro oss, alsa takes over and plays trough alsa
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> !
[08:55] <epicenter> I did
[08:55] <filip_> but i cant changes /etc/apt/sources.list..
[08:55] <filip_> how to do?
[08:55] <epicenter> da_bon_bon - Then why doesn't it happen?
[08:56] <epicenter> filip_ : sudo -s enter your password
[08:56] <epicenter> then edit the file, then exit
[08:56] <beh> filip_ type su root
[08:56] <jldugger_> epicenter, technically oss emulation is depricated
[08:56] <jdub> Annodex talk is on *now*: http://150.203.247.2:8810/ (theatre), http://150.203.247.2:8811/ (screen) -> discuss in #annodex on freenode
[08:56] <jdub> ^ theora/vorbis streams
[08:56] <jdub> :-)
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: did the mp321 command work ?
[08:56] <epicenter> didn't try it
[08:56] <epicenter> I don't need mpg321 to do it :P
[08:56] <epicenter> I need quake 3 to
[08:57] <jldugger_> he wants to know if OSS emulation works
[08:57] <epicenter> I'll see.
[08:57] <epicenter> one moment.
[08:58] <jirwin> filip_, type 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:58] <epicenter> that command worked
[08:58] <epicenter> but it worked without the option too
[08:58] <jldugger_> yea
[08:58] <epicenter> how would I go about getting q3 running with OSS emulation?
[08:58] <jldugger_> without the option it uses alsa, with it, it uses OSS.
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> jldugger_ is right, epicenter
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> lemme think
[08:59] <epicenter> When I run Quake 3, I just get painful silence. :(
[08:59] <epicenter> I'm sure he is
[08:59] <epicenter> I just need to know how to apply this to apps besides MPG321
[08:59] <ells> is anyone having issues getting transcode
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> try runnin quake3 in a console and see if it returns any error message about sound ?
[08:59] <epicenter> it does indeed
[08:59] <epicenter> can't mmap /dev/dsp.
[09:00] <ac-id> lol...i left my machine doing a dist-upgrade last night from warty to Hoary, came back this morning and booted into Sarge
[09:00] <ac-id> rofl
[09:00] <jldugger_> do you even have a /dev/dsp ?
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> it will be nmap not mmap
[09:00] <epicenter> According to my friend who knows the quake series source like the back of his hand, there is no support for memory mapping in ALSA or OSS
[09:00] <epicenter> mmap.
[09:00] <filip_> when i whant to edit a file how shuold i do:S?
[09:00] <epicenter> Memory map
[09:00] <epicenter> nmap is totally different
[09:00] <eleusis> ?
[09:00] <epicenter> I have /dev/dsp. :P I can use audio in any other program.
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: try this -- cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[09:00] <epicenter> I HAVE A WORKING /DEV/DSP :p
[09:00] <jldugger_> and cover your ears
[09:00] <epicenter> I can use VLC, XMMS, anything
[09:00] <epicenter> I know, I don't need to be dropping files on my audio device
[09:01] <epicenter> I had to recompile Quake 1 to use SDL, because ALSA has no support for memory mapping
[09:01] <epicenter> which is what Quake 1-3 use to avoid latency problems
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: OSS USES /DEV/MIXER NOT /DEV/DSP --  and stop using caps, we are helping, and u r not doing us any favor
[09:01] <epicenter> they write straight into RAM
[09:01] <eleusis> q3 works fine with oss emulation
[09:01] <epicenter> OK, you're just not listening to me :P
[09:01] <filip_> how can i do for play mp3 i the music player?
[09:01] <epicenter> I think /dev/dsp is fine when I can play sound from any other app through it
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: do u have /dev/mixer ?
[09:01] <epicenter> filip_: What player?
[09:01] <epicenter> yes
[09:02] <epicenter> yes I do
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> filip_: what is your native language ?
[09:02] <epicenter> I'd assume french
[09:02] <epicenter> The spelling looks french
[09:02] <jldugger_> im guessing sweedish
[09:02] <filip_> i dont now what the name is on english but if i translate it correct from swedish it called musicplayer
[09:02] <epicenter> mplayer ..?
[09:03] <claint> now that 5.04 is released, we need to activate the updates source right?
[09:03] <epicenter> The most common are XMMS, Mplayer, mpg321
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> mabe xmms
[09:03] <filip_> mplayer
[09:03] <jldugger_> xmms-mp3
[09:03] <ben_> i have the best luck with VLC
[09:03] <epicenter> You should just be able to open the file nad it should play
[09:03] <epicenter> *and
[09:03] <filip_> not xmms
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> thers no #ubuntu-SWEDISH ??
[09:04] <filip_> it doesent support mp3
[09:04] <ben_> what are you guys using for ipods? i've been using gnupod but it would faster if it had a GUI.. i tried gtkpod but it didn't work on my shuffle
[09:04] <jldugger_> its probably ubuntu-svennerr or whatever they call themselves
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> ben_: well, i supposr gtkpod is the best u can get. i heard that suse had some kde kioslave for ipods too
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> suse 9.3
[09:05] <ben_> anyone been able to get gtkpod to work with the shuffle?
[09:05] <Debian3x> suse sold out
[09:05] <ben_> it seems to transfer but it doesn't play right.. the ipod color cycles like its corrupt
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> ben_: what version of gtkpod ?
[09:06] <kriebly> where were you trying to buy suse?
[09:06] <Debian3x> ?
[09:06] <kriebly> you must be able to buy it somewhere
[09:06] <filip_> i want to install vlc but i cant edit /etc/apt/sources.list....how to do??
[09:06] <thenuke> why you cant edit it :I
[09:06] <thenuke> not your box?
[09:06] <jldugger_> filip_, use synaptic and look under "Repositories"
[09:06] <ben_> verion 0.88 of gtkpod
[09:07] <Debian3x> no i said they Sold out  ....kinda like Redhat
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> ben_: http://www.aplus.co.yu/ipod/ipod-shuffle-file-structure/
[09:07] <filip_> doesent have the rights..
[09:07] <kriebly> what do you mean? both suse and redhat are businesses
[09:07] <ben_> i understand the file structure fine
[09:07] <Debian3x> before they were Distros
[09:08] <kriebly> no
[09:08] <ben_> but gtkpod doesnt work for my shuffle..
[09:08] <thenuke> filip_: ask the admin to install vlc if you are not the admin of the box
[09:08] <kriebly> they were always businesses
[09:08] <kriebly> always
[09:08] <ben_> i have to use gnupod, which is the command line version that gtkpod is based on
[09:08] <scott> is there a log of what packages I've installed recently?
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> ben_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/280679
[09:08] <scott> like in the last hour..
[09:08] <Debian3x> lmao im not going to argue about
[09:08] <filip_> cant find Repositories
[09:08] <ian> kriebly: perhaps by "sold out" he means "got rich"
[09:08] <_blue> does ubuntu have supermount or magicdev
[09:08] <_blue> ?
[09:09] <kriebly> redhat contributeslotsof code, and you can get their commercial distro...taolinux
[09:09] <Debian3x> ian not only rich but "Greedy"
[09:09] <_blue> or when it doesnt mount my partitions, is that some sort of bug
[09:09] <filip_> but i am the only one how use ubuntu
[09:09] <kriebly> no...they got poor...at least Redhat did
[09:09] <ben_> yeah ive read that too.. been googling for a while now
[09:09] <kriebly> internet bubble burst and they had to downsize
[09:09] <epicenter> WELL Cedega seems amazing. :P I told it, 'cedega mspaint.exe'. WINE: UNHANDLED EXCEPTION starting debugger .. then went into an infinite loop
[09:09] <filip_> can i dont log in as root??
[09:09] <ben_> i found a few others that had the same problem.. i think i should try reformatting the ipod
[09:10] <epicenter> Not only does it crash immediately, they left Wine's name in
[09:10] <jldugger_> epicenter, you have a subscription?
[09:10] <epicenter> no
[09:10] <jldugger_> the cvs version of software that the owners plan to sell works poorly.
[09:10] <epicenter> a magical program called Bit Torrent ran itself and Cedega appared on my desktop
[09:10] <epicenter> I'm at a loss of words to explain it
[09:10] <jldugger_> Couldn't have seen that comin'.
[09:11] <jldugger_> heh
[09:11] <epicenter> ;)
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> cedega isn't built to run mspaint
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> if you want to run mspaint
[09:11] <epicenter> It's built on WINE.
[09:11] <epicenter> It should run any program wine did
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> better to.. go off and do something else
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: it's quite different in many ways
[09:11] <freewoody> How do I disable GDM at Startup ?
[09:11] <epicenter>  HrdwrBoB: that was a less than useful explanation
[09:11] <jldugger_> maybe it subscribes to the Kazaa movie theory
[09:11] <Adross> to anyone who still has doubts, Hoary hedgehog rocks
[09:12] <epicenter> haha.
[09:12] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: as is 'cedega won't run mspaint, omg it suxxxxx'
[09:12] <filip_> why the cant i edit etc/apt/sources.list:??
[09:12] <goldfish> filip_: using sudo ?
[09:12] <jirwin> has anyone installed transcode successfully?
[09:12] <epicenter> Well, that tells me it sucks in this realm: "This man cannot lift a basketball. He will suck at lifting this truck"
[09:12] <jldugger_> if you want the fight club, you have to download the matrix, and if you want the matrix, you download matrix 2
[09:12] <jirwin> in hoary?
[09:12] <filip_> how does i use sudo?
[09:12] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: a forklift cannot life a basketball
[09:12] <epicenter> jldugger_: And if you want 4 gigs of swedish scat porn you download anything
[09:12] <HrdwrBoB> it can however lift a car
[09:12] <goldfish> filip_: sudo command
[09:12] <Adross> just type sudo before the command
[09:12] <goldfish> filip_: prefix your command with sudo
[09:12] <duken> filip_: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:13] <epicenter> HrdwrBoB: touche
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> ben_: the simplest thing is to use itues if u have windows or mac - see it wont make u screligious to the linux world
[09:13] <filip_> shuold i write sudo in terminal?
[09:13] <eyequeue> does anyone know why polypaudio was drpped in favor of esound in hoary?
[09:13] <Debian3x> ? what do i do if i forget my root password
[09:13] <jldugger_> anyways, cedega implements just enough of windows to run games people want.
[09:13] <Adross> u don't have a root password
[09:13] <epicenter> well, either way. When I enter cedega quake3.exe it doesn't do anything. It jumps back to console.
[09:13] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: if you want to run games, use cedega, if you don't like it, don't use it
[09:13] <Adross> this is ubuntu
[09:13] <Adross> sudo uses your own password
[09:13] <eyequeue> Debian3x:  there is no root password in ubuntu
[09:13] <Debian3x> i do in slackware
[09:13] <HrdwrBoB> .. quake3 has a native version
[09:13] <jldugger_> Adross, you can make one.
[09:13] <epicenter> I do intend to run games but I wanted to test it on something lighter.
[09:13] <Adross> yes, i know
[09:13] <jldugger_> sudo passwd root
[09:13] <jldugger_> bam.
[09:13] <epicenter> HrdwrBoB: IT DOESN'T WORK WITH ALSA
[09:13] <jirwin> Debian3x....you could do single user mode in grub and change it
[09:13] <Adross> u can also cut your own arm off
[09:13] <epicenter> We went over this at length
[09:13] <eyequeue> Debian3x:  this is #ubuntu
[09:13] <Adross> fact is, most people don
[09:13] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: that's incorrect
[09:13] <Adross> 't
[09:14] <HrdwrBoB> it does not work out of the box with alsa
[09:14] <rparker_> hello
[09:14] <HrdwrBoB> however you can make it work
[09:14] <rparker_> just briefly popped in
[09:14] <epicenter> HrdwrBoB: Every person I speak to who has used Quake 3 tells me it can't work with ALSA
[09:14] <rparker_> just managed to get Ubuntu up for first time
[09:14] <epicenter> as it uses memory mapping and  that is unsupported
[09:14] <rparker_> on Virtual PC
[09:14] <Adross> liking it?
[09:14] <epicenter> did Ubuntu use viagra or wasit natural?
[09:14] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: they are (not to put to fine a point on it) talking out their bum
[09:14] <rparker_> lovign it
[09:14] <rparker_> I have been trying to move to Linux for ages
[09:14] <epicenter> HrdwrBoB: is there a resource I should read about using Q3 with Alsa then?
[09:15] <epicenter> and what of other programs?
[09:15] <epicenter> cedega seems quite the POS.
[09:15] <rparker_> But waiting until it looked this good
[09:15] <kriebly> the free cedega you mean...
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter:
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> echo "quake3.x86 0 0 disable" |sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[09:15] <epicenter> The commercial cedega
[09:15] <epicenter> the one that magically appeared on my desktop
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: cedega works for a reasonable amount of games and it works reasonably well
[09:15] <epicenter> well it doesn't even try to run now
[09:16] <HrdwrBoB> I use it to play warcraft 3 and world of warcraft
[09:16] <epicenter> it just spits me to the console with no messages
[09:16] <kriebly> the magical cedega may be magically hobbled
[09:16] <jldugger_> perhaps your magic has been bested by TransGaming
[09:16] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: you've probably got winesevrer still running
[09:16] <Debian3x> HrdwrBob do you know if someone has use cedega for FFXI
[09:16] <HrdwrBoB> Debian3x: no idea
[09:16] <epicenter> oh god
[09:16] <epicenter> it EXECUTED WINE 90 TIMES.
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ben_: http://www.webservertalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2331158#post2331158
[09:17] <jldugger_> Debian3x, If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: are u trying to run quake3 on wine ?
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> Debian3x: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[09:17] <kriebly> google groups search...
[09:17] <jldugger_> and if a geek runs ffxi successfully, does he ever emerge to tell others of it?
[09:17] <kriebly> heh...my private paradise...
[09:17] <epicenter> da_bon_bon: Quake 1 as a test
[09:17] <epicenter> a GL engine for Quake 1
[09:18] <kriebly> actually, i would expect a victories geek to tell everyone
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> jldugger_: ?
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: but is WINE ?
[09:18] <kriebly> victorious
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> jldugger_: that is incorrect
[09:18] <jldugger_> HrdwrBoB, it would be funny though. given the circumstances
[09:18] <epicenter> is WINE what?
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[09:18] <epicenter> trying to run Q3? No.
[09:18] <epicenter> jldugger_: It doesn't? :P
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: ok, u have the linux version of quake3, right ?
[09:19] <ben_> da_bon_bon: if only that worked for me.. i've got it mounted right.. it seems to copy right.. just doesnt play after i unmount and test
[09:19] <epicenter> da_bon_bon: yes
[09:19] <filip_> when i run..run as an diffrent user and i whant to run as root..i whant edit /etc/apt/sources.list...what program should i run?
[09:19] <epicenter> Once I killed all 400 of the Wine processes Cedega spawned, it ran Darkplaces Q1 properly. OK, I'm less pissed now
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: did u google ?! --- http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_sound_work_with_ALSA_and_Quake3/Enemy-Territory
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> ben_: ohok.. :(
[09:20] <Debian3x> of course it makes a sound psyics says so
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/33/2005/02/2/287435
[09:20] <epicenter> Thanks, I'll read them
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: please, in future, before asking, PLEASE use google
[09:21] <_blue> does ubuntu have supermount or magicdev, b/c its not automounting any of my partitions
[09:21] <_blue> ??
[09:21] <epicenter> I did.. :P
[09:21] <epicenter> this didn't come up.
[09:21] <epicenter> Oh well.
[09:22] <jldugger_>  epicenter to be fair, its the first hit for "linux quake 3 no sound"
[09:22] <epicenter> I Was too specific, I think.
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: how ? u put in your quake serial number and ur machine ip ! ? :P
[09:23] <jirwin> lol
[09:23] <jldugger_> pssh. no quake serial. it came magically on his desktop
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> or coutesy of www.torrentspy.com ?
[09:24] <jldugger_> something like that
[09:24] <fenglin> i want to install GCC........what shoud i do ?
[09:24] <bob2> fenglin: install build-essential
[09:25] <epicenter> that said .. it doesn't work
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> damn! now even i want it. but over a 2kbps connection, downloading will be hell :) ;)
[09:25] <epicenter> Same problem as before except, now I don't get get 'can't mmap /dev/dsp' I also get 'dev/dsp INPUT/OUTPUT error'?
[09:25] <epicenter> :P
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: the console wont come up ?
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: kde / gnome ?
[09:25] <epicenter> of course it will.
[09:26] <epicenter> KDE.
[09:26] <epicenter> I set the value it mentioned, to pick /dev/adsp
[09:26] <fenglin> bob2   what it mean "Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)"
[09:26] <epicenter> but, it still goes to /dsp
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: have u setup up software sound mixing ?
[09:26] <epicenter> I'll try editing it in my config file
[09:26] <epicenter> I have artsd going
[09:26] <epicenter> tried killing it
[09:27] <fenglin> when i running :"~$ sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[09:27] <bob2> fenglin: I don't know what you're talking about
[09:27] <goldfish> lol
[09:27] <epicenter> it wasn't a full thought
[09:27] <epicenter> finish your sentence, fenglin
[09:28] <kriebly> don't you sometimes wonder....?
[09:28] <fenglin> thanks for your help .  bob2
[09:28] <fenglin> thanks for your help .  epicenter
[09:30] <epicenter> I didn't do anything but OK
[09:30] <epicenter> no prob
[09:31] <ritalin> anyone here have a clue why ruby wont work on my rig?
[09:31] <epicenter> wow, I can give q3 this command all day and it still uses /dev/dsp
[09:31] <epicenter> how fungal
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: well, listen carefully. in kde control, sound, sound system, hardware, set audio device to "advanced ,...." check fulle duplex,  checke override device location, and put it to be "plug:dmix" ... then restart ... then do "artsdsp QUAKE_EXEC_FILE" .. then see if it works, ... if it wont, try the snddevecs /dev/adsp trick... then report back here
[09:31] <ritalin> it installed properly but irb,ruby etc give nothing
[09:32] <ritalin> i checked my path and it seems to be in it
[09:32] <epicenter> There, it looks for /dev/adsp
[09:32] <epicenter> it then can't find it
[09:32] <epicenter> alsa-oss IS installed, too.
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> alsa oss doesnt matter
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> did u do what i said
[09:33] <da_bon_bon>  ?
[09:33] <epicenter> plug:dmix cannot be opened for capture, invalid argument when I apply
[09:33] <epicenter> should that happen? :P
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> which sound card ?!
[09:34] <epicenter> ac97 onboard audio
[09:34] <epicenter> nforce3.
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: actually, just disregard the error message
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> and restart
[09:34] <epicenter> eesh
[09:34] <epicenter> ok
[09:34] <epicenter> brb.
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> make sure it is plug:dmix
[09:35] <jldugger_> heh
[09:36] <ailleantsian> i was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out with a bit of a problem ... im completely new to linux
[09:36] <ritalin> :)
[09:37] <ritalin> Just ask man
[09:37] <ritalin> altough if its about ruby 1.8 you're fucked
[09:37] <ice_1963> how do i chang background in fluxbox ??? =)
[09:37] <eyequeue> ritalin:  ruby with no arguments awaits input
[09:37] <ice_1963> pl
[09:38] <ritalin> ice_1963: you need an externel app
[09:38] <ritalin> I always liked feh
[09:38] <eyequeue>  $ ruby --version
[09:38] <eyequeue> ruby 1.8.2 (2004-12-23) [i386-linux] 
[09:38] <ritalin> eyequeue: you on ppc?
[09:38] <eyequeue> Riddell:  no i386 it says :)
[09:38] <ritalin> doh
[09:38] <ritalin> sorry
[09:38] <ritalin> just woke up
[09:38] <eyequeue> np
[09:38] <epicenter> Well, now artsd bitches at boot that there is no plug:dmix
[09:38] <epicenter> I think this isn't gonna work too well
[09:39] <ailleantsian> okies i have a wireless broadcom ( belkin brand) and in ndiswrapper it says its supports it ... went to the broadcom site and it has drivers  for redhat, fedora and suse ... i downloaded what they asked me to with the ndiswrapper but the system sees my wifi as a blockvolume
[09:39] <ailleantsian> and drivers seem to not work
[09:39] <epicenter> you use ndiswrapper to load WINDOWS drivers
[09:39] <epicenter> if you have Linux ones .. just install them :P
[09:39] <ritalin> ice_1963: feh is a kick ass image viewer/background setter, you can do all kinds of neat shit with it
[09:40] <ailleantsian> i have had to use windows drivers and have do it as instructed
[09:40] <ice_1963> ok
[09:40] <epicenter> ndiswrapper is a mess. USe the linux drivers provided
[09:40] <b2s> ailleantsian: afaik, broadcom only supplies *ethernet* drivers for linux
[09:40] <geneo93> ey
[09:41] <b2s> that being said, my broadcom wireless works flawlessly so far under linux with ndiswrapper-1.1 :)
[09:41] <ritalin> b2s: I know i sadly have my ibook plugged into my wi-fi router as we speak :'(
[09:41] <ailleantsian> that is how i am connected at the moment pluged into router ...but i really need the wifi to work :(
[09:41] <eyequeue> b2s:  btw, the solution here was to dump esound for polypaudio
[09:42] <b2s> I couldn't get the ubuntu version of ndiswrapper working at all, but the one from the ndiswrapper site worked great once I figured out how to make amd64 debs from the tarball
[09:42] <ailleantsian> could the problem be that u justed usedthendiswrappers that came with ubuntu?
[09:42] <ritalin> ou guys read the slashdot post by debian founder?
[09:42] <ritalin> he doesnt seem to happy with ubuntu
[09:43] <Bazzi> why should he?
[09:43] <b2s> ritalin: why wouldn't he be happy with ubuntu?  they've been contributing back
[09:43] <Bazzi> ubuntu is stealing all his fame ;D
[09:43] <ritalin> he said major compatiabily issues
[09:43] <Arnia> He wants Ubuntu to be compatible with Sarge rather than Sid from what I can make out
[09:43] <ritalin> hoary .debs wont build on sarge
[09:43] <Bazzi> ritalin well maybe its just me but debian sid debs worked for me so far
[09:44] <eyequeue> like sid packages won't run on woody, lol
[09:44] <Arnia> That's cos Hoary tracks Sid
[09:44] <ritalin> I think its a good thing, maybe debian will get off their ass and have regular releases
[09:45] <eyequeue> b2s:  woody is their current stable, sid is their unstable, and sarge is something vague in between the two, which ubuntu doesn't have
[09:45] <ritalin> woody is also from 1994 pretty much
[09:45] <ritalin> worthless
[09:46] <b2s> I never really got the point of having both unstable and testing.
[09:46] <epicenter> Debian's a good idea and it works well, and apt like a ray of light from the heavens
[09:46] <epicenter> but Debian has software in UNSTABLE that is 2 years old
[09:46] <epicenter> and Stable could run a life support machine
[09:46] <epicenter> that's a bit TOO stable
[09:46] <eyequeue> b2s:  that was a concession to their hideouly long release cycles
[09:46] <b2s> but they don't have security updates for either of them do they?
[09:46] <eleusis> you do realise that there's a lot of packages from Sid in Ubuntu, yes? :P
[09:47] <eyequeue> b2s:  sarge has no security, correct
[09:47] <eyequeue> b2s:  sid theoretically doesn't need it
[09:47] <b2s> eleusis: there's nothing wrong with using the packages that work from sid, the question is which ones do? ;P
[09:47] <bob2> trolling about Debian is off-topic here, sorry
[09:47] <b2s> heh
[09:47] <bob2> especially such misinformed trolling
[09:48] <jfk303> Does anyone know if there are any codecs or anything to get Music Player working with .mpc?
[09:48] <eleusis> ian murdock's point was that package compatibility issues between ubuntu and Debian may eventually lead the DEB packaging format to what RPM is like
[09:48] <b2s> yeah, what were we talking about before anyway? ;)
[09:48] <ailleantsian> how do you log on ubuntu as admin ?
[09:48] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  no such thing
[09:48] <eleusis> i.e. DEB packages built for one distro don't work for another distro
[09:48] <b2s> ailleantsian: if you want to for some reason, you can always sudo bash
[09:48] <ritalin> yeah it has OS X like root
[09:48] <bob2> ailleantsian: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:48] <ritalin> sudo
[09:48] <bob2> eleusis: that's already the case
[09:49] <epicenter> If Debian didn't progress so slowly there'd be no problem
[09:49] <ailleantsian> but i cant get permission to move anything to folders or anything ?
[09:49] <eleusis> epicenter: why is that?
[09:49] <ritalin> just sudo su when you log in to work unrestricted
[09:49] <epicenter> I see ubuntu's autoconfiguration as its trongest suit, not its modern package set
[09:49] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  sudo
[09:49] <epicenter> The whole issue is that Debian's SARGE is "unstable" and still OLD.
[09:49] <ritalin> and by work i mean look at pron and chat on irc
[09:49] <epicenter> So is Sid!
[09:49] <bob2> epicenter: please stop it
[09:49] <eleusis> i often hear that "if debian released stuff more often, ubuntu would not have been needed"
[09:49] <epicenter> and people using Ubuntu, based on Debian, are getting packages that are modern
[09:50] <b2s> eleusis: I don't see what's the big deal.  the only problem I have is that rebuilding debs is hard, where as rebuilding rpms is just "rpmbuild --rebuild http://server/path/to/somethin.src.rpm"
[09:50] <epicenter> bob2: I imagine you're saying that because you hang out in #debian all the time?
[09:50] <ailleantsian> i hate to sound completely daft but what is sudo
[09:50] <epicenter> I like Debian, don't get me wrong.
[09:50] <bob2> epicenter: no, because you're trolling and wrong
[09:50] <eyequeue> ritalin:  i think pron as user would be wiser than pron as root
[09:50] <bob2> epicenter: enough
[09:50] <epicenter> For machines I don't want KDE and Gnome and 5 gigs of stuff installed once I finish the installer, I'll use Debian in a heartbeatr
[09:50] <epicenter> *beat
[09:50] <eleusis> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[09:50] <Bazzi> ohnoes
[09:51] <egibbs2> ailleantsian command to allow you to run as root a program
[09:51] <eyequeue> ritalin:  pron sites typically have a reputation as infection-spreaders, spyware,etc
[09:51] <epicenter> except the ones you sign up for ;)
[09:51] <eyequeue> epicenter:  ubuntu instaler supports "server" option
[09:51] <epicenter> Then they get your money WITHOUT malicious software
[09:51] <epicenter> eyequeue: True, but sometimes you do want to do it the Debian Way and configure it yourself
[09:52] <epicenter> I love how much control Debian gives you without all the mess
[09:52] <epicenter> I'm not bashing Debian at all. I'm just saying the Package Fiasco would not have occurred if the repositories were updated more often
[09:52] <egibbs2> ailleantsian  better to use sudo -  then your root p/w
[09:52] <bob2> there is no package fiasco
[09:52] <epicenter> Debian's creator seems to think there is
[09:52] <bob2> sid is almost always very up to date
[09:52] <bob2> debian's creator is completely uninvolved in Debian
[09:53] <xiaogil> How to set the default brower in Ubuntu ?
[09:53] <epicenter> Its installer was still broken last i Used it, and when I got it installed, nothing was very modern
[09:53] <bob2> and has been for many many years
[09:53] <bob2> epicenter: enough
[09:53] <eleusis> package fiasco?
[09:53] <epicenter> Uh, you made your point, am I allowed to reply? :P
[09:53] <bob2> no
[09:53] <ailleantsian> thankyou i have just found that.... with my wifi card would it be better to used the ndiswrapper version fromthe site or the one that comes with ubuntu?
[09:53] <bob2> we're both done
[09:53] <epicenter> You can continue as long as you want but I can't respond?
[09:53] <epicenter> fine
[09:53] <bob2> thanks
[09:53] <eyequeue> eleusis:  see ian murdock's comments on slashdot
[09:53] <b2s> xiaogil: system menu -> preferences -> preferred applications
[09:53] <bob2> #ubuntu-offtopic if you really want to continue this
[09:54] <eleusis> what's his slashdot username?
[09:54] <epicenter> I just have one comment to make then, I'll do so there
[09:54] <zemantic> anyone know how to temp suspend my sound daemon so I can run mplayer?  the framerate with totem is really bad
[09:54] <eyequeue> eleusis:  a story there links to his blog, i don't know that he posted to /. himself, it's in the articale
[09:55] <eleusis> yes, i've read the blog post
[09:55] <eyequeue> eleusis:  that was the trigger for the aboive conversation
[09:55] <b2s> xiaogil: did that solve your problem?
[09:56] <xiaogil> b2s: i found it, but it is set to :sensible-browser %s
[09:56] <fubz> howcome if i take icons from gnome-look.org and apply them in gnome they don't work? ubuntu only uses the default gnome icons?
[09:57] <xiaogil> b2s: the problemn is that each time i open my mail from Gaim, it uses Nvu instead of Firefox
[09:58] <b2s> mine is set to "mozilla-firefox %s"... but I haven't tested gaim I don't think
[09:58] <ailleantsian> what is the password for root as it doesnt seem to be the same one i have for my login ?
[09:58] <jirwin> I was curious if anyone has mapped extra buttons on the mouse...I used to have the side buttons work as back and forward in firefox
[09:58] <jirwin> ailleantsian, are you using sudo?
[09:58] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  there is none
[09:58] <jirwin> ailleantsian, use 'sudo command'
[09:58] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  root is disabled for safety reasons
[09:58] <ailleantsian> i think so .. its the run as another user
[09:58] <jirwin> ailleantsian, and then enter your user password
[09:59] <freex> hi
[09:59] <jirwin> hi
[09:59] <ailleantsian> where do i find or run the sudo command?
[09:59] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  in your terminal
[10:00] <freex> you can actually change that
[10:00] <freex> with this "sudo passwd"
[10:00] <xiaogil> b2s: i wrote mozilla-firefox %s like you, but still, the problem persist, anyway, that's not a big problem
[10:00] <freex> then your account password
[10:00] <freex> then u enter the new password
[10:01] <freex> i just want to get a feedback?
[10:01] <freex> wat apps good for CD Burning?
[10:01] <b2s> xiaogil: oh well, I looked to see if I could see a gaim setting that might be weird, but I don't see any
[10:01] <freex> am open for suggestions
[10:02] <eyequeue> gnomebaker is in hoary universe
[10:02] <b2s> freex: I've heard k3b is the best thing for burning, but it is a kde app I believe
[10:02] <freex> yah but that will be in KDE right
[10:02] <pepsi> presumable, the release of hoary is why i am no longer receiving updates?
[10:03] <jirwin> freex, cdrecord :)
[10:03] <freex> and i dont want to end up installing KDE core in ubuntu
[10:03] <pepsi> presumably, that is
[10:03] <fubz> can anyone answer me?
[10:03] <fubz> dont tell me ur all using a stock gnome desktop
[10:03] <geneo91> you can install it ok
[10:03] <jirwin> pepsi, i believe that they are suppose to support warty for 18 months or so
[10:03] <freex> hehehe
[10:03] <freex> am sticking to gnome stuff
[10:03] <pepsi> naw im running hoary, but miss my daily updates
[10:03] <freex> :)
[10:03] <b2s> fubz: I installed yesterday, so yes, I am still using the default :)
[10:04] <eyequeue> pepsi:  then change to breezy once it is out
[10:04] <jirwin> what is good for customizing gnome?
[10:04] <ailleantsian> thankyou all for your help and patience :)
[10:04] <Hedgehog> it feels weird to be using linux and not having to fix something.. everything is actually working and i'm a total moron.. i need a new challenge
[10:04] <goldfish> Hedgehog: debian unstable
[10:04] <b2s> Hedgehog: get a broadcom wireless adapter and install it
[10:04] <Hedgehog> hehe
[10:04] <jirwin> heh
[10:04] <jbmigel> i thought ubuntu was debian unstable
[10:04] <geneo91> i'd wait a while before i change
[10:05] <eyequeue> Hedgehog:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:05] <pepsi> oh they changed grumpy to breezy?
[10:05] <goldfish> Write quicksort algorithm in assembly.
[10:05] <pepsi> i rather liked the qualities-of-a-bad-date naming scheme
[10:05] <geneo91> jbmigel:  it is
[10:05] <goldfish> That's a challenge.
[10:05] <pepsi> warty, hoary, and grumpy ;)
[10:05] <eyequeue> Hedgehog:  write some app, it will be buggy, lather repeat rinse
[10:06] <b2s> pepsi: except its breezy not grumpy... though I suppose a breezy date would be pretty unfortunate
[10:06] <xukun> I'm trying to configure an LDAP contact list in Evolution but the LDAP option
[10:06] <xukun> remains shaded out. Do specific packages need to be installed to add
[10:06] <xukun> LDAP support?
[10:06] <jirwin> i may sound stupid...but what did fubz mean by standard gnome desktop?
[10:06] <fubz> jirwin, if i install any icon sets from gnome-look.org they dont work
[10:06] <fubz> the gtk themes work
[10:07] <fubz> but i cannot get rid of the ugly gnome icon theme
[10:07] <teratorn> I'm got a really messed up problem with cups... some fantom program is connecting the IPP server on 127.0.0.1 many times per second.... i can see the traffic flying by using ethereal listing on the lo interface.
[10:07] <teratorn> *I've
[10:07] <jirwin> fubz, ahh I see
[10:07] <teratorn> can't figure out what the program is
[10:07] <Hedgehog> eyequeue: I don't know how to write apps yet. I'm a total newbie. Still wondering how I got this far
[10:07] <geneo91> jirwin:  no extra repositories
[10:07] <fubz> afaik u extract a set into ~/.icons and open ur theme manager to select them
[10:07] <teratorn> netstat --program only shows a - for the pid/process column
[10:07] <fubz> which i can do however the theme doesnt change
[10:07] <jirwin> geneo91, ??
[10:08] <jirwin> is gdesklets any good?
[10:08] <xukun> is there a irc for evolution?
[10:08] <geneo91> you need to add things to get full impact of what you have
[10:09] <teratorn> anyone know how once is supposed to track down the program responsible for sockets under linux?
[10:09] <teratorn> s/once/one/
[10:09] <geneo91> evolution is mail man
[10:09] <jirwin> geneo91, i don't understand what you are talking about
[10:09] <ailleantsian> when you type in ndiswrapper -l is it supposedto say like driver present only or ment to list the device as well ?
[10:10] <geneo91> have you added universe and multiuniverse and up dated
[10:10] <jirwin> geneo91, yes...what would give you the idea i didn't?
[10:11] <Morten_> How much do I gain, if i upgrade from 5.04-rc to 5.04 finale?
[10:11] <geneo91> like kde 3.4 and the like
[10:11] <Morten_> any major things?
[10:11] <eyequeue> Morten_:  just dist-upgrade, you're online
[10:12] <Morten_> ohh
[10:12] <Morten_> okay, thx
[10:12] <Morten_> :)
[10:12] <odyssey> anyone know why usb devices would not automount under hal?
[10:12] <eyequeue> Morten_:  sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:12] <Morten_> ill do that, thank you :)
[10:12] <eyequeue> np
[10:14] <Hedgehog> is there a way to change the color sceme in ubuntu? i want dark blue instead of brown
[10:14] <jirwin> Hedgehog, check prefrences
[10:15] <St0n3-C0l> Hedgehog: Right click on the desktop -> Desktop Background
[10:15] <eyequeue> Hedgehog:  right click on the desktop
[10:15] <Hedgehog> that was too easy
[10:16] <Morten_> :D
[10:16] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[10:18] <duken> how to take screenshot instalation proses ubuntu ?
[10:19] <geneo91> print screen works for me
[10:21] <epicenter> I have a Ubuntu-AMD64 and a ubuntu-i386 partition, if I want to run 32-bit programs that won't run in AMD64 ... how do I chroot over to the 32-bit one?
[10:22] <snowblink> has ubuntu calendar stopped?
[10:23] <pointwood> anyone knows what I need to do to get sound working in VLC?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> use eds as sound daemon
[10:24] <pointwood> how do I do that because I don't seem to be able to find that
[10:24] <jsgotangco> hold on
[10:24] <epicenter> pointwood: Usually, kill esd or artsd when you run it :P
[10:25] <jsgotangco> settings->preferences->audio
[10:25] <epicenter> there are also workarounds
[10:25] <jsgotangco> click on advnaced options in audio and select ESound audio output
[10:25] <pointwood> I don't have ESound there :(
[10:26] <teratorn> so I think I figured out that gnome-cups-icon is responsible for spamming the cups service on localhost (port 631). But I don't know how to get rid of gnome-cups-icon.
[10:26] <pointwood> wait
[10:26] <teratorn> I can kill the process, but it gets respawned by something...
[10:26] <teratorn> and i have no cups icon...
[10:26] <teratorn> it's just running in the background connecting to port 631 over, and over, and over again
[10:27] <pointwood> thx for the help
[10:27] <pointwood> needed that plugin of course
[10:28] <mishof> I have a dvd on which I've burned a folder which was "hidden" under windows, and couple of other files. Now i can see the other files but not the hidden folder .. i tried ctrl+h but it doesnt help
[10:28] <ailleantsian> im trying to find a post online where someone has sucessfully installed and got working y wifi pcimca card !
[10:29] <teratorn> mishof: eh. are you sure it actually got burned?
[10:29] <joshuaati> is ubuntu fast
[10:29] <teratorn> joshuaati: yeah double plus fast
[10:30] <camcorder> joshuaati: well it's faster than any OS that uses Gnome 2.8. I think sayign that is fair ;P
[10:30] <camcorder> joshuaati: but it's almost same speed w/ any os having Gnome 2.10, if you find anything else though
[10:31] <b2s> epicenter: did anyone answer the chroot thing? you'd probably do something like sudo chroot /path/to/mounted/32bit/part/ or something..
[10:31] <mishof> teratorn, yeah ... i know its weird.. but i see that folder while using windose. and i  saw it using mandrake too
[10:31] <mishof> maybe something wrong in my fstab is causing that o.o
[10:32] <pont> whats a jre I can install on ubuntu
[10:32] <pont> ?
[10:32] <mishof> pont, there's a guide over here ubuntuguide.org
[10:32] <iso-away> java runtime env
[10:33] <topyli> pont: get the java-package package and build a deb from sun's official java
[10:33] <pont> don't have blackdown jre ?
[10:34] <topyli> pont: sure but i'd get java from sun. they should know how it works best
[10:34] <pont> one sec
[10:34] <pont> thats not going to work
[10:35] <topyli> no?
[10:35] <pont> I need to get it from ibm or blackdown
[10:35] <pont> IBM's jre is quite nice too :)
[10:35] <topyli> pont: well if you really want ibm or blackdown java for some reason, then of course it's different
[10:36] <pont> topyli, powerpc here
[10:36] <topyli> ah
[10:37] <topyli> and sun doesn't make java for that? dogs :)
[10:37] <pont> I don't think so
[10:37] <geneo91> you want sun
[10:37] <pont> IBM does since its there product :P
[10:38] <topyli> i'd guess they would :)
[10:38] <epicenter> b2s: Then I can successfully run 32-bit apps without incident?
[10:39] <fenglin> "Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)"   <------- what is this?
[10:40] <topyli> fenglin: it's a linux distro :)
[10:40] <teratorn> fenglin: looks like sekret alien technology
[10:40] <teratorn> fenglin: WHERE DID YO UGET IT!!
[10:40] <susanne1729> is there a problem with the hoary-security repository?
[10:40] <susanne1729> I cant connect
[10:41] <daleboRt> I've got a bit of an upgrade problem. I did an upgrade from the cd, and it broke my x-server. I can't seem to install the fglrx video drivers again. Says my x-server is too old.
[10:41] <fenglin> when i am run "sudo apt-get install gcc"
[10:42] <helloyo> are there no updates for hoary yet?
[10:42] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:43] <fenglin> yes
[10:43] <susanne1729> I got a lot of: Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[10:43] <susanne1729>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.138). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[10:43] <susanne1729>  when doing apt-get upgrade
[10:43] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[10:44] <maswan> susanne1729: works fine for me now
[10:44] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg [189B] 
[10:44] <djp> hi all. does anyone know how to get .pls files to play using rhythmbox just by clicking on a link using firefox? at present i am manually setting up radio stations in rhythmbox...
[10:45] <bluefire> Is anyone proficient in mplayer?
[10:45] <joshuaati> what is sudo?
[10:45] <pont> JDK 5.0 is supported on i586 Intel and 100% compatible platforms running Linux.  Definatly cant get suns JRE
[10:45] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  ping security.ubuntu.com
[10:46] <topyli> djp: that's what i would like to know too
[10:46] <susanne1729> eyequeue, pinging works
[10:46] <bluefire> or rather, is there any particular folder to put downloaded apps in, to be installed?
[10:46] <epicenter> is there a way to MAKE apt get wine from the winehq source I added? It keeps trying to get an old version from a ubuntu repository.
[10:46] <susanne1729> eyequeue, opening the website with firefox works too
[10:46] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  ummmmmm
[10:47] <djp> topyli: i was sure it was working with the version of rhythmbox under warty, but i may be mistaken.
[10:47] <eyequeue> susanne1729: PING security.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.151) 56(84) bytes of data.  <susanne1729>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.138). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[10:47] <pont> LOL ibm has a broken link on there page :P
[10:47] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  two different ip addresses
[10:47] <pont> htps:// insted of https://
[10:47] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root and chang it to what you wont ok
[10:47] <topyli> djp: that's possible. i'm so used to copy/pasting urls into rb that i might not have even tried cllicking in warty :)
[10:48] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  apparently .151 is behaving and .138 is not?
[10:48] <ice_1963> =)
[10:48] <bluefire> :(
[10:49] <ice_1963> why
[10:49] <susanne1729> eyequeue, ah ok, and why does apt-get resolves security.ubuntu.com to a non-working IP?
[10:49] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  random, round-robin dns
[10:49] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  try re-running the command
[10:50] <susanne1729> eyequeue, still fails
[10:50] <ice_1963> gnome is very good but i like fluxbox to =)
[10:50] <mishof> problem- I have no sound in games ... but I hear sound fine on xmms,xine and other desktop programs ..
[10:51] <ubuntu> I've just installed glade, but I'm unable to generate code in Python. I also have python-glade2 installed, any ideas why this might be?
[10:51] <topyli> ice_1963: well, they're two completely different things. you either have a desktop environment or you don't :)
[10:51] <topyli> ice_1963: sometimes of course you don't want one
[10:52] <geneo91> mishof:  your being punished by the game goddess
[10:52] <mishof> =(
[10:52] <topyli> susanne1729: if you want to check for updates, a workaround is to put the correct ip in sources.list i guess
[10:52] <mishof> geneo91, any help ?
[10:53] <geneo91> well i'm cheating right now so i cant
[10:53] <topyli> mishof: i bet it's esd blocking the sound device
[10:53] <geneo91> mishof:  try kill esd
[10:53] <susanne1729> topyli, I made following entry in sources.list: deb http://82.211.81.151/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[10:53] <eyequeue> mishof:  i changed from esound to polypaudio with success
[10:53] <smhar> anybody checked the story in slashdot about the relationshipdebian and Ubuntu
[10:53] <mishof> ill try
[10:54] <topyli> susanne1729: does apt-get update work then?
[10:54] <Choubaka> Slashdot is late as always :p
[10:54] <ice_1963> topyli you are right i have gnome fluxbox installed need a desktop use gnome
[10:54] <susanne1729> topyli and got following error: Err http://82.211.81.151 hoary-security Release.gpg
[10:54] <susanne1729>   Could not connect to 82.211.81.151:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[10:54] <mishof> yay kill esd works ! but now i guess i cant hear other sounds ... how can i combine ? :\
[10:55] <topyli> susanne1729: hrm
[10:55] <topyli> mishof: edit /etc/esound/esd.conf
[10:56] <topyli> mishof: auto_spawn=1, and spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[10:56] <topyli> at least :)
[10:56] <mishof> topyli, ill try - what will it do?
[10:56] <geneo91> susanne1729:  it could be server is full
[10:57] <topyli> mishof: esd will die when nothing requests for it, freeing the sound device. when something wants esd, it will respawn
[10:57] <Hedgehog> what is the best mediaplayer for ubuntu? so far vlc is the *only* one that can play everything i have.. xine has a better ui but it studders on some avi and crashes on some mpeg
[10:57] <susanne1729> geneo91, hm... maybe.. but I have been trying it for 2 days
[10:59] <geneo91>  well this was time of final i might be
[10:59] <drspin> I just got a message "cannot initialize HAL" when I logged in... not sure what to do...
[10:59] <geneo91> friday hoary was final
[10:59] <mishof> topyli - thanks!
[10:59] <Bazzi> install HAL9000
[10:59] <topyli> mishof: IIRC you need to at least logout, maybe more. i don't think mine worked before a reboot (i don't know what needs resetting)
[10:59] <odyssey> has anyone had any success with running skype under ubuntu?
[11:00] <drspin> Bazzi: it hasn't given me this before -- I upgraded to Hoary last week and login/logout all the time
[11:00] <eyequeue> odyssey:  i did under warty
[11:01] <hagman> odyssey: yes, i have skype running.
[11:01] <Bazzi> drspin weird shit, man.
[11:02] <drspin> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:02] <drspin> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[11:02] <drspin>  field name `#' must be followed by colon
[11:02] <drspin> ???
[11:02] <drspin> WTF
[11:02] <drspin> I think my HD is going... :(
[11:03] <eyequeue> odyssey:  sudo apt-get install libxft1
[11:04] <topyli> smhar: i don't get why ubuntu binary packages should work on sarge. unstable packages don't work either. isn't it enough if the sources work? hrm.
[11:05] <drspin> I just read that... WOW -- but Ubuntu is so much closer to the DESKTOP than Debian...
[11:05] <drspin> ;
[11:05] <drspin> 0
[11:05] <geneo91> maybe debian has only one part time developer
[11:06] <sucho> hello, since ubuntu 5.04 was released i get no new updates, when i 5.04rc i get some every day, is it normal?
[11:06] <eyequeue> sucho:  yes
[11:06] <eyequeue> sucho:  it is now stable, meaning unchanging
[11:06] <geneo91> sucho:  hoary is final
[11:07] <drspin> hmmm -- so if I use 5.04rc I'll continue to get improvements to hoary?
[11:07] <ziabice> re all
[11:07] <sucho> so how to get new versions?
[11:07] <topyli> drspin: no, you get hoary final
[11:07] <sucho> only way is to migrate to 5.10?
[11:07] <eyequeue> sucho:  there are none
[11:07] <topyli> sucho: you'll get them all in six months when the next ubuntu is released
[11:08] <drspin> so many people are having problems with Hoary... they're not going to update anything?
[11:08] <sucho> and what about security fixes?
[11:08] <geneo91> unless he's brave
[11:08] <ac-id> really?
[11:08] <eyequeue> sucho:  there are none yet
[11:08] <ac-id> what sort of problems?
[11:08] <topyli> sucho: those will be there of course
[11:08] <ziabice> topyli: so if I want to upgrade to gimp 2.2.6 I need to download the deb source and play with it?
[11:08] <ac-id> and i thought hoary would have partition resizer
[11:09] <sucho> and what about 5.10? is some RC available?
[11:09] <topyli> ziabice: i'd get the debian unstable source package and build a binary on ubuntu
[11:09] <ziabice> topyli: good to know ;)
[11:09] <sucho> i prefer unstable but not outdated system...
[11:09] <eyequeue> sucho:  not for 5.5 months
[11:09] <ac-id> i upgraded my warty to Sarge last night
[11:09] <ziabice> topyli: thank you
[11:10] <topyli> ziabice: not too difficult. apt-get build-depend gimp; apt-get --source -b gimp
[11:10] <sucho> ok, thank u guys for usefull info :)
[11:10] <b2s> darn, epicenter left before I noticed he wrote and told him to apt-get install linux32 ... oh well :)
[11:10] <ubuntu> I run my simply python program and I get the following error: ImportError: No module named libglade, yet I have libglade2-0 installed. Are they talking about something else?
[11:10] <ubuntu> *simple
[11:11] <ziabice> topyli: I was a debian user a lot of year ago (before apt!), then a slackware user... now ubuntu on amd64... I must relearn a lot of things...
[11:11] <jerichau> quick question, I'm trying to use a kickstart (ks.cfg) file with a cdrom, but when I boot from the cdrom it can't find the floppy drive and only lists the SATA drives. I've tried dding Debian's boot.img to the stiffy and using that, but it looks for a root floppy
[11:11] <topyli> ziabice: well, debian and friends are easy to maintain
[11:11] <jerichau> this is in hoary hedgehog
[11:12] <jerichau> there's no boot.img available on the ubuntu website or install cdrom either
[11:12] <wezzer> help
[11:12] <wezzer> I upgraded to hoary and now enemy terroritory won't work
[11:12] <wezzer> is it because xfree86 changed to xorg ?
[11:13] <epicenter> What is the most advisable tool to use for video re-encoding?
[11:13] <epicenter> Or for trimming bits of video out, and encoding those, etc.
[11:13] <epicenter> similar to say, VirtualDub in the win32 realm
[11:15] <topyli> jerichau: yeah, i'm afraid there's only the full install cd
[11:16] <GreedKiller> anyone have a solution for accounting pakages on uBuntu? i.e. South African standards, like Pastel or Quickbooks
[11:16] <jerichau> topyli: so why does the kickstart documentation refer to a non-existent boot.img file? or is it just half-baked?
[11:17] <paulfox> GreedKiller, i think you can run quickbooks through cedega.
[11:17] <geneo91> gnumeric
[11:17] <RixiM> does ubuntu have most of the debian packages?
[11:17] <topyli> jerichau: hoary kickstart docs? either a bug in ubuntu kickstart or in the the documentation i guess
[11:17] <eyequeue> RixiM:  if you enable universe
[11:18] <topyli> jerichau: i know next to nothing about the kickstart support though, except that it was planned for hoary
[11:18] <_-InMa-_> buenos dias, good morning
[11:18] <RixiM> eyequeue: thx.
[11:18] <smhar> I just finished installing sarge recently and I am already thinking of swithing to ubuntu.. is somthing wrong with me?
[11:18] <jerichau> topyli: great, guess ubuntu isn't ready for a business environment. I'll try to get hold of the kickstart maintainer, maybe he knows what's up
[11:18] <GreedKiller> paulfox, well I know you can run it on crossover office 4.2 but what about Pastel?
[11:18] <pvh> I'm running wine, and every time I try to run it, it says "libwine.so.1" is missing... why?
[11:19] <geneo91> no
[11:19] <pvh> I'm going insane here. :(
[11:19] <paulfox> GreedKiller, not sure. i only know qbooks works after i read about it last week, sorry.
[11:19] <GreedKiller> kk, thanks anyway
[11:19] <RixiM> so universe is a snap shot of debian unstable?
[11:20] <drspin> anyone know how I can make firestarter (IP TABLES) not pollute my dmesg but still log hits ??
[11:20] <tle> ehmm
[11:20] <eyequeue> RixiM:  no
[11:20] <tle> hi every1
[11:21] <tle> sorry to intterupt ppl here
[11:21] <eyequeue> RixiM:  MotU ports
[11:21] <topyli> jerichau: yeah, and check bugzilla too. someone must have noticed if something is that much wrong :)
[11:21] <tapia> hi
[11:21] <tle> can some1 tell me which value to switch to text mode in inittab??
[11:21] <tapia> what's the sources.list line for breezy?
[11:21] <eyequeue> RixiM:  see #motu i think
[11:21] <tle> is it 3?
[11:21] <daleboRt> I've just ugpraded to hoary, and am trying to get my video working properly. When I try to install fglrx, it tells me this... xfree86-driver-fglrx: Depends: xserver-xfree86 (>= 4.3) but it is not installable
[11:21] <drspin> tle: 1
[11:21] <eyequeue> tapia:  not yet
[11:21] <tle> drspin: thx
[11:21] <topyli> RixiM: it's more or less a frozen unstable, rebuildt on/for ubuntu
[11:21] <drspin> tle: that's single user mode...
[11:21] <tapia> eyequeue: ok, thanks
[11:22] <epicenter> What is the most advisable tool to use for video re-encoding?
[11:22] <epicenter> Or for trimming bits of video out, and encoding those, etc.
[11:22] <epicenter> similar to say, VirtualDub in the win32 realm
[11:22] <drspin> tle: if you want to just not start GDM turn off the script
[11:22] <tle> drspin: text mode rite?
[11:22] <tle> drspin: eh? they change the way!!
[11:22] <topyli> RixiM: plus packages that are not in unstable, ie apt-get.org and other stuff
[11:22] <GNAM> i cannot add universe repository!
[11:23] <tle> drspin: can u tell me which startup config file so I can turn off GDM?
[11:23] <GNAM> ubuntuguide doesn't work
[11:23] <topyli> GNAM: sure you can :)
[11:23] <eyequeue> GNAM:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <drspin> tle: go to TTY([CTRL] +[ALT] +[F1] ) and type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:23] <GNAM> i've tried
[11:23] <drspin> tle: this will end your X session and just give you a command prompt
[11:23] <tle> okay
[11:23] <tle> thx
[11:23] <GNAM> i've uncommented universe lines
[11:23] <tle> thx
[11:23] <tle> ur legend\
[11:24] <drspin> tle: to restart sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:24] <RixiM> topyli: thanks, i figured universe has stuff unstable doesn't, i was just trying to figure out how it got packages from debian, i'm thinking of switching...
[11:24] <topyli> GNAM: and what happens/doesn't happen?
[11:24] <eyequeue> GNAM:  first, which ubuntu are you running?
[11:24] <tle> drspin: ya I understand from now
[11:24] <drspin> tle: K have fun
[11:24] <GNAM> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:25] <GNAM> ubuntu candidate
[11:25] <topyli> GNAM: run apt-get update first :)
[11:25] <tle> drspin: btw, u know any other way to change the monitor config? (not using xorgconfig)
[11:25] <drspin> tle: from what to what?
[11:25] <tle> drspin: ah
[11:25] <GNAM> uhm
[11:25] <GNAM> apt-get update seems interesting
[11:25] <drspin> tle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-base
[11:25] <tle> drspin: I want to change the resolution and sync
[11:25] <drspin> tle: ??
[11:25] <Choubaka> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg also .p
[11:26] <eyequeue> GNAM:  any time you change sources.list at all, sudo apt-get update
[11:26] <drspin> tle:  Choubaka: is correct on this
[11:26] <topyli> GNAM: no other apt command will work before running update
[11:26] <jonathan_> quit
[11:26] <Choubaka> topyli: Well, they might.
[11:26] <daleboRt> How do I get my radeon card working with ubuntu hoary? what packages do I need?
[11:26] <GNAM> NOW IT WORKS thanks!
[11:26] <Choubaka> But they might break. :)
[11:26] <GNAM> I was missing apt-get update ;)
[11:27] <topyli> Choubaka: basically yes, if nothing's changed after last update
[11:27] <toresbe> GNAM: that's an important part of a complete breakfast, yeah
[11:27] <eyequeue> toresbe:  :)
[11:27] <Choubaka> I prefer to use feta though
[11:27] <topyli> wajig here
[11:28] <Choubaka> I can feta install/update/whatever stuff, and it uses sudo automatically :p
[11:29] <topyli> yeah. wajig adds restart <service>, edit-sources and stuff
[11:29] <smhar_> I really like debian, its philosophy.. apt and stability.. I spend morethan a decade with dos/windows and around 2-3 years with linux from redhat, suse, mandrake and slackware which by the way I liked morethan the others.. until I decided that debian is destro I was searching for all this time.. but
[11:30] <topyli> there's always a but isn't there :)
[11:30] <eyequeue> but ubuntu rox?
[11:30] <topyli> hehe
[11:30] <toresbe> smhar_: your line is too long, you were cut off at "time... but"
[11:31] <Myrtti> I was stunned yesterday when I realized that I make a samba-shared directory faster on Linux Ubuntu than on Windwos 2000
[11:31] <Myrtti> and with less pain
[11:31] <Myrtti> to tell you the truth, I never managed to make a windows file share on W2K
[11:32] <SeamusLP> Myrtti, benchmarks show that samba is much faster than w2k filesharing under load
[11:32] <Emmanuel> yo
[11:32] <topyli> samba servers are actually reliable too, unlike windows ones
[11:33] <Myrtti> SeamusLP: f**k benchmarking, I'm talking about mouse clicks and buttons and windows
[11:33] <Myrtti> too much hassle
[11:33] <Myrtti> I don't have a single day in the week that I don't have something good to say about Ubuntu
[11:33] <Myrtti> I could start a weblog to praise Ubuntu
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> on XP making a file share is simplicity itself
[11:34] <SeamusLP> Yeah, Ubuntu is probably the best desktop distribution
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> in fact, you'd be hard pressed not to make them
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> but I agree, I luff0r Ubuntu
[11:35] <Myrtti> and on Windows 2K I'd rather shoot my own kneecaps with a .9 before trying to make a file share
[11:35] <daleboRt> What does this mean? No candidate version found for xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:36] <SeamusLP> Myrtti: What's the method on linux?  Never tried before.
[11:36] <Myrtti> SeamusLP: if I were on my Ubuntu now, I'd tell you in a heartbeat
[11:37] <Myrtti> but now I trapped inside one of my schools several computer classes, this one running XP
[11:37] <Myrtti> hmmm, lunch lures me to the cafeteria...
[11:37] <topyli> SeamusLP: making shares? install samba, edit smb.conf
[11:37] <Myrtti> topyli: I managed to do it with the graphical thingie
[11:38] <Myrtti> in Gnome
[11:38] <topyli> oh yeah, that too
[11:38] <Myrtti> I'm off
[11:38] <Myrtti> me hungry
[11:38] <Myrtti> -->
[11:38] <topyli> Myrtti: i just have an old smb.conf that i've had around for years
[11:38] <MrNonchalant> System -> Administration -> Shared folders
[11:39] <MrNonchalant> I should really install samba, for what purpose I have not the foggiest of clue
[11:39] <MrNonchalant> seeing as I almost never use shares
[11:39] <topyli> MrNonchalant: hmm. the dialog doesn't display the shares i currently have
[11:40] <daleboRt> What does this mean? No candidate version found for xorg-driver-fglrx? I ran an update from warty to hoary using the cd as a source.
[11:40] <SeamusLP> I think you can use NFS with that tool as well
[11:40] <topyli> daleboRt: the package is not on the cd. you need an online repository for evil proprietary stuff
[11:41] <MrNonchalant> hmm *shrugs*
[11:41] <MrNonchalant> yeah
[11:41] <MrNonchalant> it always tell me I don't have samba or nfs with a dialog, then closes
[11:41] <peh> how do i change resolution on gdm in hoary?
[11:42] <tle> T_T some1 help me
[11:42] <daleboRt> thank you, topyli
[11:43] <tle> I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change my montor res to 1024x768 16bit
[11:43] <tle> but when get into GNOME
[11:43] <topyli> daleboRt: take a look at ubuntuguide.org and see how to add repositories
[11:43] <tle> it's still 640x840
[11:43] <peh> tle, i changed in /etc/X11/corg.conf
[11:43] <peh> works fine
[11:43] <tle> T_T, I use Screen Resolution program but none 1024x768 there
[11:43] <tle> peh: can u be more specific? I am not good
[11:44] <Huwge> Anyone here have any info bout becoming an ubuntu mirror?
[11:44] <SeamusLP> tle:  I think there's a screen section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf that lets you add more resolutions
[11:44] <MrNonchalant> Huwge: here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view
[11:44] <daleboRt> topyli, I got it. I thought I had them, but I only had universe and multiverse. Needed the restricted.
[11:44] <peh> tle, "sudo vi /etx/X11/xorg.conf" in a terminal window, then just change at the bottom
[11:44] <Choubaka> x.org should autodetect :|
[11:45] <Huwge> MrNonchalant: ta :)
[11:45] <MrNonchalant> k
[11:45] <eyequeue> Huwge:  #ubuntu-devel might
[11:45] <topyli> daleboRt: ok. i guess the driver is there too
[11:45] <SeamusLP> Choubaka: Unfortunately doesn't always happen.
[11:45] <tle> peh: I 'vi' xorg.conf, I saw that ScreenSection, here is already 1024x768
[11:45] <SeamusLP> Choubaka:  My particular widescreen monitor for example doesn't broadcast all of it's available resolutions
[11:45] <Choubaka> hmm
[11:46] <Choubaka> tle: what display driver are you using?
[11:46] <tle> Choubaka: for the sake of Jedi, can u help me out on monitor config?
[11:46] <tle> Choubaka: I use i810 (intel onboard gfx)
[11:46] <Choubaka> I only ever did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :|
[11:46] <tle> Choubaka: I did that already, none changec
[11:46] <SeamusLP> tle you tried putting a comment after "1024x768"?  Maybe it will force it to do that res.
[11:47] <tle> SeamusLP: it's already had ""
[11:47] <Choubaka> tle: it's difficult to help without knowing more.
[11:47] <tle> T_T
[11:48] <Nino> hi
[11:48] <Choubaka> What did you do while reconfiguring?
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: do u have any other ideas? (I dun want to be defeated by the Sith, lol)
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: okay, autodetect vido
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: okay, autodetect video
[11:48] <Choubaka> :p
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: show i810
[11:48] <gaio> anyone with realplayer on hoary?
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: chose it, then type 32000 for MB RAM
[11:48] <Choubaka> hm
[11:48] <Choubaka> why?
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: then Keyboard, mouse
[11:49] <hagman> gaio: yes. rp10
[11:49] <Nino> i have installed kubuntu. Whatever my screen refresh is maybe 60 Hz. how can i configure this? why does it not allowe 85 Hz in the Control Center in KDE?
[11:49] <Choubaka> does it require that?
[11:49] <tle> Choubaka: i810 shares memory with RAM
[11:49] <Choubaka> right.
[11:49] <tle> Nino: I have same prob!!!
[11:49] <tle> Nino: same prob here!
[11:49] <gaio> hagman, it doesn't start...any idea?
[11:49] <Nino> tle: solution?
[11:49] <tle> Choubaka: then I do monitor
[11:50] <eyequeue> Nino:  #kubuntu
[11:50] <tle> Nino: asking the Light (Choubaka)
[11:50] <Nino> tle: is there some grafical tool to configure x.org ?
[11:50] <tle> Choubaka: next
[11:50] <hagman> gaio: i had no problems with that. what version did you install?
[11:50] <gaio> hagman, 10
[11:50] <tle> Nino: not that I know, try sudo dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg in 'xterm'
[11:50] <tle> Choubaka: next
[11:50] <tle> Choubaka: next I choose HP D8235s
[11:50] <hagman> gaio: any error messages?
[11:50] <djp> anyone aware of how to get shoutcast playlists to play using firefox with the mozplugger plugin?
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: they show up list of res
[11:51] <Nino> tle: did it help you?
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: i choose 1024, 800, 600
[11:51] <tle> Nino: no
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: then I said Simple. Medium or Advanced
[11:51] <Nino> thus it wont help me...
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: i choose Medium
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: i choose 85hz 1024
[11:51] <SeamusLP> djp:  I think there are some mozplugger guides on the forums.  I've only experimented with embedding totem, though.
[11:51] <xukun> I tried everything but my dell inspiron 8200 laptop's screen is still no good: please look how my screen looks afrer I installed the new nvidia driver: http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~ahassan/photo/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=0
[11:51] <Nino> tle: i guess it did not autodetect my 19" IIyama Monitor
[11:52] <tle> Nino: T_T same here
[11:52] <Nino> even same monitor?
[11:52] <tle> Nino: I only rely on Choubaka (the Republic hero in starwar) to give me a hand
[11:52] <tle> Nino: ya
[11:52] <Choubaka> :p
[11:52] <gaio> hagman, nothing, but in ps there's realplayer but i cant see it
[11:52] <Choubaka> I'm not Chewbacca :p
[11:52] <tle> Choubaka: ...any idea?
[11:53] <kyle> has anyone set up mac-on-linux using ubuntu's xorg? :-)
[11:53] <SeamusLP> xukun:  Damn, that's some whacked out looking mess
[11:53] <Choubaka> It should work... Maybe let x.org try to autodetect the video ram?
[11:53] <hagman> gaio: did you install the latest rp from the rp website?
[11:53] <djp> SeamusLP: thanks, will take a look...
[11:53] <gaio> hagman, sure as in wiki
[11:53] <SeamusLP> xukun: you using the proprietary nvidia drivers or the open source ones?
[11:54] <Choubaka> and besides, 32000 kB isn't 32 MB :/
[11:54] <crb> Anyone care to hazard a guess at the font in this screenshot?  http://www.macewan.org/screenshots/HoaryBeagle0.0.9-1.png
[11:54] <Nino> Choubaka: well, how to make xorg to offer more then 60 Hz ?
[11:54] <Choubaka> It should do that already. :|
[11:55] <volcom> Im having a problem w/ ndiswrapper.  Im running amd64 hoary and I installed 2.6.11 from apt then compiled ndiswrapper from source.  wlan0 came up fine but then once I rebooted it wont insert the module, says invalid format.
[11:55] <drspin> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[11:55] <drspin>  field name `#' must be followed by colon
[11:55] <Choubaka> drspin: hm.
[11:55] <drspin> volcom: did you compile against the right src?
[11:56] <hagman> gaio: strange... i've downloaded rp10gold.bin from the rp website and just followed the instructions.
[11:56] <Choubaka> That sounds evil.
[11:56] <volcom> ya
[11:56] <kyle> crb: bitstream vera something, with some font aliasing
[11:56] <xukun> SeamusLP, I tried both the one from ubuntu and from the one from nvidia.com
[11:56] <volcom> I forgot 2 install wireless tools so Ill try that real quick
[11:56] <volcom> nm its installed
[11:56] <notos> hi, how can i resize my hard dirve whitow lossing my data ? i have ubuntu partition and Swap partition
[11:57] <Choubaka> tle: I don't know of any tricks. X is weird :/
[11:57] <crb> kyle: cheers, but i've tried all the bitstream veras, and it seems to not be any.  too narrow
[11:57] <kyle> notos: use qtparted
[11:57] <notos> and tried gparted
[11:57] <xukun> SeamusLP, I dont know what to do anymore, I,m lost
[11:57] <notos> but dont let me change anything
[11:57] <notos> :(
[11:57] <kyle> crb: i'll check my fonts.conf ; let's see
[11:57] <SeamusLP> xukun:  Open up your xorg.conf file and change all instances of nvidia to nv.  This will switch it to the open source driver.  then restart x and see if it fixes it
[11:57] <volcom> also, does anyone know why theres no ndiswrapper in amd64 repos?
[11:57] <Choubaka> maybe find out the horizontal and vertical refresh ranges for your monitor and use the "advanced" setting?
[11:57] <volcom> or do I need to add a special repo?
[11:57] <kyle> notos: are you running it as root?
[11:58] <xukun> SeamusLP, that works just fine, but I need the 3D
[11:58] <notos> i think so it ask me my password i am loged as a sudoer i have disiabled root as ubuntu's default
[11:58] <chesty> Hello, I installed hoary for the first time on a pc with a 15in lcd, and it only runs in 640x480, the other modes get removed with a message like "mode clock 100000mhz exceeds ddc maximum 80mhz". Where's this 100000mhz coming from?
[11:58] <crb> LCD's don't have refresh rates.,
[11:59] <crb> I guess the auto detct stuff gets confused
[11:59] <notos> Chesty Look at your monitor manual
[11:59] <tle> T_T
[11:59] <chesty> crb, thanks
[11:59] <tle> HELP!
[11:59] <SeamusLP> xukun well if the newest nvidia drivers are giving you trouble my only further recommendation can be to downgrade them...
[11:59] <drspin> anyone know what up with dpkg?
[11:59] <tle> HELP ME on montior config!!
[11:59] <notos> foud how many HZ do you need to use
[11:59] <crb> drspin: what about dpkg?
[11:59] <notos> then edit the  xorg.cof
[12:00] <notos> and then ctrl-alt-back
[12:00] <fenglin> bob2    how to run gcc
[12:00] <chesty> notos: thanks, haven't done that for a while
[12:00] <xukun> bbl
[12:00] <volcom> its been a while since Ive used linux, where do you autoload modules again?
[12:00] <crb> . /etc/modules
[12:00] <volcom> thanx
[12:00] <kyle> tle: stop shouting
[12:01] <kyle> tle: you aren't the only freaking one who needs help :P
[12:01] <fenglin> bob2    how to run gcc     and    how to install the gcc
[12:01] <volcom> thanx guys...
[12:01] <crb> fenglin: you have no idea how stupid a question that looks. :)
[12:01] <bob2> fenglin: you need to find some support group that speaks your language
[12:01] <notos> apt-get install build-essentials ?
[12:01] <bob2> fenglin: try #ubuntu-zh or one of the lists
[12:01] <mz2> hmm, how'd i make mounting parameters stay for usb disks? (ones that just appear in /etc/mtab )
[12:01] <SeamusLP> tle:  If you can find some place to post your xorg.conf file it would help.
[12:01] <bob2> mz2: what do you want to set?
[12:02] <kyle> tle: use pastebin.com
[12:02] <Xgates> say I just redid up Ubuntu with a expert install and now I have a root account, BUT when I click on apps needing root password such as Synaptic, it seems like it's wanting the SUDO thing, and it tells me the wrongpassword
[12:02] <fenglin> bob2    @$%#^%$^*%*(&^(&
[12:02] <crb> kyle: any luck with guesses on my font, btw?
[12:02] <mz2> user_xattrs so my mp3s on an external hd would get indexed by beagle
[12:02] <bob2> fenglin: I can't render that, much less read it
[12:02] <crb> (Thanks for looking.  no one else did.  sob, you're supposed to love screnshots!)
[12:03] <crb> fenglin: what is your native language?
[12:03] <kyle> crb: not really; my fonts.conf points to bitstream, and that shot looks like that anyway...
[12:03] <fenglin> chinese
[12:03] <bob2> mandarin, afaict
[12:03] <fenglin> crb chinese
[12:03] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  Yeah you'll have to modify your xauth stuff
[12:03] <bob2> mz2: pitti is the person to ask
[12:03] <bob2> (he wrote pmount)
[12:03] <kyle> crb: I can paste my fonts.conf so you can check if you feel like it :)
[12:04] <crb> to get gcc, type 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[12:04] <mz2> hmm, maybe i should read the man page first so i know what pmount even is :)
[12:04] <crb> kyle: nm, it's none of the ones I've got installed
[12:04] <crb> hoary even kindly installs arabic true type fonts
[12:04] <bob2> I've told fenglin that a few times over the past couple of days
[12:04] <Choubaka> Hmm
[12:04] <drspin> crb: sorry so late
[12:04] <drspin> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[12:04] <drspin>  field name `#' must be followed by colon
[12:04] <Choubaka> What's Ubuntu's defaul sudo configuration?
[12:05] <Choubaka> I had none, so I don't know.
[12:05] <bob2> mz2: the kernel notices the device being plugged in and tells hotplug ( a user program).  hotplug tells udevd who telss hald who tells gnome-volume-manager who calls pmount to mount it
[12:05] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, almost everything is set up to use it
[12:05] <crb> drspin: paste me the output of head -1 /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
[12:05] <kyle> Choubaka: youruser    ALL=(ALL)  ALL
[12:05] <Choubaka> right.
[12:05] <kyle> Choubaka: in /etc/sudoers
[12:05] <Choubaka> That's what I put there, too.
[12:05] <drspin> # DO NOT EDIT OR REMOVE
[12:05] <Choubaka> not very secure, but does the job. .)
[12:06] <crb> That shouldn't be there.
[12:06] <kyle> Choubaka: have you changed it using visudo ?
[12:06] <bob2> drspin: just run 'sudo dselect update'
[12:06] <Choubaka> kyle: yes... there was only root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:06] <drspin> bob2: what does this do?? for future reference;)
[12:06] <Choubaka> so I added a line for my user too
[12:06] <kyle> Choubaka: btw I do prefer using no pass at all for my user ;)
[12:07] <mz2> ok, i was only aware of how that cascade works up to hotplugd :) would it not work if i just put an entry to /etc/fstab for that device, though? because I'm fine with having it in there, as I never take that hd out and never switch the usb port i use for it
[12:07] <Choubaka> that's even more insecure. :|
[12:07] <agabus> could anyone point me in the direction of a GUI administratable ftp server software?
[12:07] <kyle> Choubaka: youruser  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[12:07] <Xgates> SeamusLP: I've never done that, how?
[12:07] <Choubaka> I'd make at least rm and visudo require passwd :p
[12:07] <kyle> Choubaka: not at all, 'cause my account won't log authomatically
[12:07] <crb> agabus: I don't know of one.  you could use webmin to manage proftpd or something?
[12:07] <Choubaka> and EDITOR
[12:07] <bob2> mz2: that will work
[12:08] <Choubaka> kyle: Well, you may forget yourself logged in.
[12:08] <mz2> bob2, cheers
[12:08] <Choubaka> and then it's essentially the same as using your computer as root
[12:08] <john__> Hi everyone I just installed ubuntu on my g4 quicksilver tonight.....how do I install programs properly. I don't think I am extracting them correctly
[12:08] <kyle> Choubaka: it's a laptop :-)
[12:08] <crb> agabus: proftpd is better than wuftpd
[12:08] <kyle> john__: _extracting_ ?
[12:09] <mz2> hmm, or actually. shouldn't beagle also index my rhythmbox library? maybe i don't even need to do it, but instead make sure my beagle installation is working as it should
[12:09] <crb> kyle: I think we've tracked that font down to being Trebuchet MS
[12:09] <kyle> john__: you should be using synaptic :)
[12:09] <agabus> crb - ok i'll check that out.
[12:09] <drspin> bob2: it worked -- what did it do?
[12:09] <SeamusLP> Xgates: I really don't know either
[12:09] <drspin> john__: aptitude is kind of nice -- a little primitive in appearance but nice
[12:09] <Choubaka> I could make apt work without password though
[12:10] <Xgates> hmm ok
[12:11] <Xgates> this is stupid that you run the expert install, but the system isn't setup for it when you login to it, and then you have to hack it for this
[12:11] <Xgates> errr
[12:11] <Choubaka> Hmm
[12:11] <Choubaka> Maybe that's why it's called the "expert" install
[12:13] <volcom> I found my problem... say theres 2 coppies of ndiswrapper.ko in /lib/modules/kernel.... both in different subdir's, how do you tell /etc/modules to choose one over the other?
[12:13] <volcom> can I enter the module as etc/ndiswrapper or would I need the full path?
[12:13] <no0tic> has evolution an integrated antispam system?
[12:13] <drspin> volcom: you *should* be able to enter it as ndiswrapper
[12:14] <volcom> drspin, when I enter ndiswrapper, it tries the wrong module
[12:15] <volcom> drspin, and I want it to use misc/ndiswrapper from now on w/ out me havin to move or delete one of the modules every time I compile against a new kernel
[12:15] <drspin> volcom: try backing up the one in the /lib/modules/kernel... dir and copying the one from /etc to /lib/modules/kernel...
[12:15] <drspin> volcom: that it won't work... My idea I mean...
[12:15] <volcom> o
[12:16] <drspin> or something like that
[12:16] <volcom> Ill just see if etc/ndiswrapper works, if not Ill delete the one I dont need
[12:16] <volcom> thanx... reboot time
[12:16] <drspin> I was going to suggest man modules.conf
[12:18] <Xgates> SeamusLP: can you please do me a favor and open up  --->  /etc/sudoers
[12:18] <Xgates>  and show me how your username is added into it?
[12:19] <SeamusLP> con gusto.
[12:19] <SeamusLP> What exactly am I looking for in this file?
[12:19] <Xgates> nothing after it?
[12:20] <Xgates> mine is like this for now since I set up a root account
[12:20] <Xgates> # User privilege specification
[12:20] <Xgates> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:20] <Xgates> doesnt yours says like ---> con gusto  ALL=(ALL) ALL  ??
[12:20] <drspin> anyone know how to keep iptables from polluting my dmesg :/
[12:21] <SeamusLP> huh? con gusto is spanish for with pleasure
[12:21] <Xgates> LOL whats wrong here I'm typing english
[12:21] <Xgates> :-)
[12:21] <SeamusLP> mine says root ALL=(ALL)ALL the same as yours
[12:21] <Xgates> what your login username is not in there?
[12:21] <SeamusLP> also I have another line
[12:21] <SeamusLP> Nope
[12:22] <SeamusLP> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:22] <SeamusLP> where admin is the group a user is put in
[12:22] <Xgates> ahh ok
[12:22] <Xgates> so just those 2 lines?
[12:22] <Xgates> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL is below the root one?
[12:23] <SeamusLP> yep
[12:23] <Xgates> ok
[12:23] <SeamusLP> well there's one above all that
[12:23] <SeamusLP> you have the Defaults line right?
[12:23] <Xgates> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[12:23] <Xgates> same?
[12:23] <SeamusLP> yep
[12:23] <Xgates> k
[12:24] <SeamusLP> However I think what you're looking for has more to do with X settings
[12:24] <Xgates> and ONE last one please, in /etc/group your nick is in the sudo?
[12:24] <Xgates> sudo:x:27:xgates
[12:24] <ankar> Hi everyone, anyone with Airport Express? I am trying to figure out how I could print to the USB printer which is connetcetd to the Airport express
[12:24] <Xgates> well right now I'm gonig to give myself sudo access and work on this later to figure it out
[12:25] <aNiMe_FrEaK> hi
[12:25] <SeamusLP> admin:x:109:seamus
[12:25] <Xgates> nothing in the 'sudo' one?
[12:26] <SeamusLP> Nope, it's all about the admin group.
[12:26] <Xgates> k
[12:26] <Xgates> and for this one again --> %admin ALL= the % percentage is in the file?
[12:26] <SeamusLP> Indeed
[12:26] <Xgates> ok
[12:27] <bene_> hi
[12:27] <SeamusLP> You trying to get your sudo account back or something?
[12:27] <bene_> I changed from debian to ubuntu but could someone tell me how I could set a root pw
[12:27] <bene_> ?
[12:27] <bene_> I use ubuntu 5.04
[12:27] <SeamusLP> bene_: sudo passwd
[12:27] <Xgates> xgates is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:27] <Hannes_> bene_: use sudo
[12:28] <Xgates> hmm this sucks
[12:28] <bene_> SeamusLP, if I type sudo passwd he wants a password
[12:28] <Xgates> I keep going from one issue to another one in this distro
[12:28] <Hannes_> SeamusLP: your own pass
[12:28] <Hannes_> *bene_
[12:28] <Hannes_> we should put it in the topic
[12:29] <Arnia> Xgates: you seem to have some very bad luck :/
[12:29] <Hannes_> atleast 50ppl asking it daily
[12:29] <Xgates> anyone know I setup Ubuntu in expert with a root password, I don't use sudo, BUT now when I like click on Synaptic in the menu and it asks for the password and I put the root one in, it says password incorrect
[12:29] <plagerism> Xgates: why not just add yourself to the sudoers file??
[12:29] <Xgates> Arnia: no just some Distro developer stupidity here is all
[12:29] <zenwhen> Xgates, you cam to Ubuntu too?
[12:30] <zenwhen> come*
[12:30] <Xgates> HEY zenwhen LOL
[12:30] <zenwhen> Xgates, your issue isnt common at all.
[12:30] <Xgates> yeah Im checking it out :-)
[12:30] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  I just did the default install.  It's a bit less secure than what you're doing.
[12:30] <zenwhen> bHmmmm
[12:30] <haritz> holla i can't apt-get update yet
[12:30] <zenwhen> so your sudo pasword doesnt work at all for anything
[12:30] <Xgates> SeamusLP: yeah
[12:31] <Xgates> plagerism: well I thought I did until I figure this out but that doesnt seem to be working unless I missed something
[12:31] <zenwhen> use the livecd or the install cd to get to a root term and chrot in and add yourself to the sudoers file
[12:31] <zenwhen> the install SHOULD have added you.
[12:31] <Xgates> plagerism: BUT how can I click on the menu of Synaptic and make this thing work for the real root password?
[12:31] <zenwhen> I havent seen it fail before.
[12:31] <Xgates> not this setup sudo crap
[12:31] <Xgates> ;p
[12:32] <zenwhen> well if sudo worked you would run "sudo passwd root"
[12:32] <SeamusLP> The purpose of sudo is to give someone root priviledges on only a few programs...
[12:32] <zao__> anyone experienced crashing installer on amd64 ?
[12:32] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ sudo passwd root
[12:32] <Xgates> xgates is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:32] <Xgates> ok well
[12:32] <aNiMe_FrEaK> ubuntu rock XD
[12:32] <aNiMe_FrEaK> *rocks
[12:32] <zenwhen> then chroot in from a cd and add yourself
[12:33] <Xgates> I'd like to just stick to using the root password to run things not sudo
[12:33] <zenwhen> as a slackware user i bet you can manage that ;P
[12:33] <m0rphx> hi
[12:33] <SeamusLP> Xgates I take it there's not a wiki guide on that?
[12:33] <zenwhen> Xgates, you currently dont have one
[12:33] <Choubaka> Xgates: You should have not gone with an expert install.
[12:33] <Choubaka> not have even
[12:33] <Choubaka> read man sudoers and fix the file
[12:33] <Xgates> Choubaka: why I'd think after 5 years in Slackware I'm qualified LOL
[12:33] <Xgates> :-)
[12:33] <Choubaka> to your liking.
[12:33] <zenwhen> Choubaka, unless things have changed even with an expert install the user should have been added to sudoers
[12:34] <m0rphx> how are shipped ubuntu cds packed? all together or is there a unit with like 4 cds pro packet?
[12:34] <Xgates> sudo is for the noobs so the dont login to the box as root is all its good for
[12:34] <Choubaka> -_-
[12:34] <zenwhen> Xgates, while I certainly understand your frustration, the chroot with the cd and adding your name to sudoers path is probably the one of least resistance.
[12:34] <Choubaka> sudo pwns
[12:34] <Xgates> I dont need SUDO I need Ubuntu to act like a normal Linux distro
[12:34] <Xgates> LOL
[12:34] <zenwhen> You all have a great day.
[12:34] <Burgundavia> Xgates, first of all, please don't use the world 'noobs' around here
[12:34] <zenwhen> Im off to work.
[12:35] <Choubaka> a root account is insecure.
[12:35] <Choubaka> sudo pwns
[12:35] <Burgundavia> Xgates, second of all, sudo is very useful for its logging features
[12:35] <Choubaka> That's all I can say, and it's true.
[12:35] <Xgates> Choubaka a root account is insecure, LOL and how is it insecure, and sudo more secure
[12:35] <odyssey> Xgates, read the wiki about sudo =
[12:35] <plagerism> Xgates, why do you need a root account??
[12:35] <SeamusLP> Choubaka user exploits are more common than root exploits
[12:35] <SeamusLP> if someone gets your user account your system is finished
[12:36] <zenwhen> Xgates, I wouldnt push this line of conversation to far but thats your own decision. ;) Bye. You had an install failure somehow or another. You can either fix it or whine. :)
[12:36] <Choubaka> Xgates: well, if you login as root, you can do everything
[12:36] <Choubaka> with sudo, you can specify what the user can do
[12:36] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but root exploits can cause more damage
[12:37] <kyle> kbrooks: :-P
[12:37] <Choubaka> SeamusLP: take this for example: with sudo, you can have your regular user be able to install software with apt or dpkg using his own password; then, you can require him to use another password for changing system setting or removing programs.
[12:37] <plagerism> Anyone else find that gdesklets is a memory hog??
[12:37] <Xgates> so how can I add in my nick to sudo
[12:37] <Choubaka> read man sudoers
[12:37] <SeamusLP> Choubaka:  That's the purpose of sudo.  But by default in ubuntu you have access to every program.
[12:37] <plagerism> edit /etc/sudoers
[12:37] <Choubaka> SeamusLP: yes.
[12:38] <Choubaka> and that's not the most secure practise.
[12:38] <Choubaka> but I believe it's more secure than a root account.
[12:38] <Choubaka> or rather, more convenient.
[12:38] <SeamusLP> Yeah more convenient but I highly doubt it's more secure
[12:38] <kbrooks> kyle: Yes?
[12:39] <Choubaka> when a user has to login as root to do weird things, he'll opt to use the computer as root all the time.
[12:39] <Burgundavia> observe windows
[12:39] <SeamusLP> Well there is that aspect, but I'm thinking more along the lines of remote attacks.
[12:39] <Xgates> can someone msg me or join #flood and show me their /etc/sudoers file
[12:39] <Choubaka> and you'll still have to write "sudo rm -rf /" _AND_ your password. :D
[12:39] <ankar> Does anynone knows how to setup a USB printer connected to Airport Express?
[12:40] <Xgates> rm -rf ?
[12:40] <Xgates> removing what?
[12:40] <Choubaka> root :p
[12:40] <kbrooks> /
[12:40] <Choubaka> with sudo, you can't make that mistake.
[12:40] <kbrooks> Xgates, recursive force
[12:40] <Choubaka> as root, it's very much a possibility.
[12:40] <Xgates> kbrooks: no I know what rm -rf is
[12:40] <Xgates> LOL
[12:41] <Xgates> I mean what am I suppose to remove
[12:41] <kyle> kbrooks: nuthing... your ident caused some woofwoof here ;)
[12:41] <Choubaka> mine looks like this: jarkko    ALL=(ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: APT
[12:41] <SeamusLP> Choubaka, for example wouldn't a user exploit turn into a root exploit if that user had sudo access on passwd?
[12:41] <kbrooks> root is effectively DISABLED
[12:41] <odyssey> LOL?
[12:41] <Choubaka> and APT is defined as Cmnd_Alias APT=/usr/bin/apt-get
[12:41] <kbrooks> and root has no password
[12:41] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but the virii/exploit would need to know that and change itself to accom.
[12:42] <Xgates> Choubaka: can you please PM me and paste the contents of /etc/sudoers or join #flood
[12:42] <Xgates> I want to see the entire thing
[12:42] <Choubaka> Xgates: that was it :p
[12:42] <Choubaka> or well
[12:42] <Anark> Hey ppl
[12:42] <zao__> my install freezes, most of the time after some messages concerning "APIC"
[12:43] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia:  That's true.  But it's by default on an ubuntu system, so an exploit targeting ubuntu may take that into account.
[12:43] <Skid> hi, i've an intel ac 97 soundcard, trying to get it to support software mixing.  I've followed various tutorials, but now my sound is all crackly can anyone help please?
[12:43] <Anark> im glad you even get sound!!! i cant even get  a crack from mine!!!
[12:43] <Skid> well it was working
[12:43] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but the very diverse nature of the linux distro seen means that it wouldn't be worth it to develop an exploit for one distro
[12:43] <Skid> then I broke it :)
[12:43] <kbrooks> Anark, meh
[12:44] <Anark> lol kbrooks if you can help me...
[12:44] <Anark> would be great
[12:44] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia Not a script, no.  But what about an individual?
[12:45] <cfa> plz, how can I ignore de GPG test in APT???
[12:45] <SeamusLP> For example the libpng vulnerabilities awhile back that allowed arbitrary code execution....
[12:45] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, so you can root one box. anybody can root any box if they want to
[12:46] <SeamusLP> All I'm saying is that it vastly opens up the possibilities for rooting someone.
[12:49] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but a root can be broken just as easily
[12:51] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia:  Don't you see more non-root vulnerabilities than otherwise?
[12:51] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, yes sort of
[12:51] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but the reality is that any box can be cracked
[12:52] <Burgundavia> and what linux really needs to guard against is mass-spread crap
[12:52] <SeamusLP> Yeah no sense in making it easy though.
[12:52] <Burgundavia> I don't think sudo makes it easy, and I think it is far and away better than root
[12:52] <Burgundavia> people WILL NOT log in and out to install new software
[12:53] <SeamusLP> Yeah but then we're talking about two different things.
[12:53] <Burgundavia> not really
[12:53] <Burgundavia> security is holistic
[12:53] <SeamusLP> I agree it's better for clueless users.  You don't want them running as root all the time ala windows users.
[12:53] <Burgundavia> and usablity and security are tied together
[12:54] <Burgundavia> ie, a windows box is not usable because it is so vunerable
[12:57] <madduck> could someone with a standard 5.04 install please report the output of 'apt-cache dump|grep Package|wc -l' to me?
[12:58] <Bnonn> is there a hardware support list for ubuntu hoary anywhere around?
[12:59] <darksatanic> hrm@selene:~ $ apt-cache dump | grep Package | wc -l
[12:59] <darksatanic> 35376
[12:59] <darksatanic> That's on AMD64.
[12:59] <Bnonn> nm found it
[12:59] <petemc> apt-cache stats
[12:59] <Bnonn> madduck, when I've finished using apt I will do that for you if you wish
[01:00] <petemc> oops
[01:00] <ForgottenSin> Ok, this is probably childs play to you guys and i should probably be looking for answers elsewhere, but i couldn't find it in the support section at ubuntulinux.org... Am i missing something with .deb files or do i just unzip them and put it all in manually
[01:00] <madduck> Bnonn: #ubuntu-devel is already helpful...
[01:00] <madduck> thanks
[01:01] <petemc> ForgottenSin: dpkg -i package.deb
[01:01] <Bnonn> root@jade:~ # apt-cache dump|grep Package|wc -l
[01:01] <Bnonn> 35844
[01:01] <Bnonn>  on i386
[01:01] <Bnonn> too late
[01:03] <Bnonn> Audigy ES not supported in 5.04?
[01:03] <thenuke> :o I dont have IPV6 enabled in hoary by default?
[01:03] <bob2> thenuke: what does "enabled" mean?
[01:03] <bob2> thenuke: you should have link-local addresses
[01:04] <bob2> but that won't help you unless your network has ipv6
[01:04] <thenuke> "No support for INET6 on this system."
[01:04] <thenuke> I tried to start ipv6 tunneling
[01:04] <bob2> ... what sayas that?
[01:04] <bob2> ipv6 tunneling requires some other stuff
[01:05] <thenuke> script, which I have used on some other ubuntus
[01:05] <bob2> what does 'uname -r' print out?
[01:05] <thenuke> 2.6.8.1-5-386
[01:06] <thenuke> kernel&initrd which came with hoary did not work on this machine
[01:06] <Skid> doh
[01:06] <thenuke> I took those from warty running machine, maybe that is why this now does not work
[01:06] <Skid> anyone a sound guru? :) having intel AC97 problems
[01:06] <thenuke> But I have no idea how to debug this :)
[01:07] <thenuke> 14:06 [fi]  DCC can't connect to 82.103.202.62 port 12500
[01:07] <thenuke> 14:06 [fi]  DCC can't connect to 82.103.202.62 port 12482
[01:07] <thenuke> oops
[01:07] <thenuke> sorry, wrong channel
[01:08] <no0tic> How can I integrate spamassassin into evolution?
[01:08] <SeamusLP> Skid:  What's happening?
[01:09] <sid77> hi
[01:09] <thenuke> bob2: do you happen to know how I should begin to debug this
[01:11] <LaurenceRowe> Hi, I need a prog that converts mac to unix line endings. dos2unix does this, but the dos2unix in the sysutils package is just symlink to tofrodos, which seems to have no effect on my mac line endings file. Anyone know a package that works?
[01:12] <Skid> SeamusLP: my sound is all crackly
[01:12] <SeamusLP> In all applications?
[01:12] <Skid> mixing works, but it's basically unhearable, due to crackling. I followed a tutorial about installed libstd1.2debian-alsa
[01:12] <Skid> yep
[01:12] <Skid> everything
[01:13] <Skid> I've set my sound output to esd too
[01:13] <Skid> even tried alsa, blah blah
[01:13] <Skid> annoying
[01:13] <Skid> I was just about to re-format and reinstall
[01:13] <SeamusLP> Hmmm.  Even tried cating a wav to /dev/dsp?
[01:13] <Skid> nope
[01:14] <SeamusLP> Well in any case it sounds like a driver problem
[01:14] <thenuke> where can I download modules for 2.6.8.1-5 kernel?
[01:14] <jbailey> thenuke: You cannot move an initrd from one machine to another and expect it to work.
[01:15] <thenuke> jbailey: :)
[01:15] <thenuke> jbailey: It was only way to get this machine to boot
[01:15] <thenuke> this will work ok if I just found those modules what I need
[01:17] <Choubaka> Grhhah
[01:17] <Choubaka> I deleted my root account.
[01:18] <Choubaka> managed to retrieve it though
[01:18] <Choubaka> now, when trying to login as root, it says "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info."
[01:18] <Hedgehog> whats the next best distro next to ubuntu for a "just works" desktop environment?
[01:19] <snowblink> Hedgehog, kubuntu
[01:19] <Choubaka> :)
[01:19] <Hedgehog> other than that :P
[01:19] <Choubaka> Ah-ha!
[01:19] <SeamusLP> thenuke:  Why not just grab another kernel and its modules in apt?
[01:19] <jbailey> thenuke: To do that, you need to generate a new initrd.  You'd have to add the modules to /etc/mkinitrd/modules, and build a new one.
[01:19] <Choubaka> Hedgehog: there is none!
[01:19] <Hedgehog> cause its just ubuntu w/ kde
[01:19] <jbailey> thenuke: Breezy should do better at that.
[01:19] <Hedgehog> theres always 2nd best
[01:19] <thenuke> jbailey: :o
[01:20] <Hedgehog> i know its not debian.. more of a server distro..
[01:20] <Choubaka> had to just copy /etc/shadow- over to /etc/shadow :p
[01:20] <thenuke> jbailey: I guess I dont need to do new initrd if I just use the modules too from that machine where I got that initrd already
[01:20] <SeamusLP> Hedgehog:  I hear SuSE is good...
[01:20] <Choubaka> I hope Xgates manages that as well
[01:20] <Hedgehog> ok then suse is my next project
[01:21] <SeamusLP> SuSE's package management isn't as good as ubuntu's.
[01:21] <pmai> how solve this error?
[01:21] <thenuke> blah, now I found linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5-386 with apt but I guess that ipv6 is not a restricted thing :I
[01:21] <topyli> Hedgehog: the commercial debians are probably nice desktop distros. libranet, xandros etc.
[01:21] <tle> dammn
[01:21] <pmai> did cfdisk /dev/hdb "FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 7: enlarged logical partitions overlap
[01:21] <pmai>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk"
[01:21] <tle> I get so annoyed with Ubuntu Monitor Setting
[01:21] <pmai> ?
[01:22] <tle> even I get my monitor display 1024x768 now
[01:22] <CarlK> if I do a server install on a P2, the put the drive in a 486, what are the chances of it booting up?
[01:22] <tle> it ALWAYS use 85hz!!! even I DID change to 70Hz!!
[01:22] <Hedgehog> i had monitor problems too.. but editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf fixed it for me
[01:22] <Hedgehog> i had to change the horiz and vert parts
[01:22] <SeamusLP> tle:  Complaining about a better refresh rate?
[01:22] <topyli> CarlK: pretty good if you enable discover and install a i386 kernel
[01:23] <kiwidoc> Hi, anyone installed  ubuntu on a Sony Vaio PCG-795P? Hangs when detecting pcmcia cards. Used expert mode to get somewhere but then the boot hangs.
[01:23] <CarlK> topyli - "enable discover" ?
[01:23] <kiwidoc> Sorry, At the boot line?
[01:24] <tle> SeamusLP: 85hz messup with screen
[01:24] <topyli> CarlK: well it's probably installed by default. it looks up and configures new hardware
[01:24] <CarlK> topyli - thanks
[01:24] <Hedgehog> other than ubuntuguide.org ubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.com are there any other useful websites?
[01:25] <SeamusLP> tle:  Might want to play with a few lines in your xorg.conf
[01:25] <topyli> CarlK: but it doesn't seem to be installed so you might be wise do do so
[01:25] <topyli> to do
[01:25] <tle> SeamusLP: T_T. I may try,
[01:25] <topyli> Hedgehog: the marxists archive is pretty useful. and the w3c html validator is good
[01:26] <pmai> hi?
[01:26] <CarlK> topyli - apt-get install discover?
[01:26] <topyli> yes
[01:26] <SeamusLP> tle you trying to use gnome to change your refresh rate?  I don't like it, doesn't work with some setups
[01:26] <tle> what is DPMS in Monitor section??
[01:26] <tle> in the xorg.conf
[01:26] <SeamusLP> Display Power Management Signaling
[01:27] <CarlK> does that (install on P2, install discover, put drive in 486) seem like the best way to deal with a 486 laptop with just floppy and pcmcia (no CD)
[01:28] <topyli> CarlK: minimal install, yes. don't forget the praying part, and the dead chicken trickery!
[01:28] <Sp4rKy> hi
[01:29] <topyli> CarlK: or a minimal debian woody install, then upgrade to hoary. dunno
[01:29] <CarlK> topyli - yup.  the plan is to install a picture viewer and run some slide show software 24/7
[01:29] <Sp4rKy> somebody perfectly know cups ?
[01:29] <tle> can someone tell me about RefreshRate Option in xorg.conf?
[01:30] <Beredon> i'm a fan
[01:30] <Sp4rKy> Beredon, a fan of cups ?
[01:30] <topyli> CarlK: should work as long as you can get on the internet and fetch your software and the pictures
[01:31] <CarlK> or... are there pcmcia scsi cards that will boot from an external CD?
[01:31] <Xgates> I did deleted my root user account by mistake, is there a way to get it back?
[01:32] <Xgates> I tried to see if init1 would work OR I could use the Ubuntu cd to restore it but no luck
[01:32] <Sp4rKy> How did you can do this ?
[01:32] <Hedgehog> topyli: i googled marxists archive and all i get is karl marx stuff.. (you silly commie)
[01:33] <Sp4rKy> and for cups ?
[01:33] <CarlK> Xgates - I doubt you really did what you think you did
[01:34] <djp> anyone know if it is possible to use totem-gstreamer with mozplugger to listen to shoutcast streams? i have checked out the forums but that only seems to have answers that use totem-xine which i do not want to use.
[01:34] <Xgates> CarlK: yes as root I deleted the root user account by mistake I was thinking about something for just wanting to remove the password was all but removed the account instead
[01:34] <Xgates> I wasnt thinking
[01:34] <Xgates> LOL
[01:34] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ sudo -s
[01:34] <Xgates> sudo: no passwd entry for root!
[01:34] <Xgates> well as sudo calls it, the account is there just no password
[01:35] <Sp4rKy> sudo passwd ?
[01:35] <CarlK> or sudo su -
[01:35] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ sudo passwd
[01:35] <Xgates> sudo: no passwd entry for root!
[01:35] <Xgates> sudo: no passwd entry for root!
[01:35] <Xgates> no all of them are the same
[01:36] <Sp4rKy> no
[01:36] <Xgates> the root user account was delted as I said
[01:36] <Xgates> hehe
[01:36] <Sp4rKy> cat /etc/passwd |grep "root" ?
[01:36] <Xgates> deleted ....
[01:36] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/passwd |grep root
[01:36] <DutchFish> cat /etc/sudoers
[01:36] <stuNNed> sudo -s takes your own password
[01:36] <Xgates> cat: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[01:36] <sydneyfong> lol
[01:37] <Xgates> I cant run sudo stuNNed
[01:37] <Xgates> hehe
[01:37] <CarlK> Xgates - reboot, at the boot prompt type ... um... linux init=1.. er... grub... um... do grub things...
[01:37] <Sp4rKy> boot from a live distrib
[01:37] <Xgates> CarlK: init 1 doesnt work since there is no root to boot it
[01:37] <DutchFish> boot from a rescue CD and change /etc/sudoers  .. list :D
[01:37] <Xgates> I tried already
[01:38] <Xgates> I just have the Ubuntu install cd
[01:38] <sydneyfong> [bootloader cmd:]  linux init=/bin/bash rw
[01:38] <Xgates> will this work?
[01:38] <CarlK> Xgates - then how do all the startup scrips that run as root run?
[01:38] <DutchFish> Xgates nope
[01:38] <Hedgehog> what are some fun free games for linux?
[01:39] <CarlK> Xgates - I don't think runlevel 1 knows about "users" yet
[01:39] <Xgates> what grub can boot --> init=/bin/bash rw
[01:39] <sydneyfong> Xgates: in your bootloader, type [image]  init=/bin/bash rw and then edit the /etc/passwd file
[01:39] <Xgates> sydneyfong:  [image]  ?
[01:39] <SeamusLP> Hedgehog:  Freeciv is one that I play a lot
[01:40] <SeamusLP> it's a remake of Sid Meier's civilization 2
[01:40] <Hedgehog> a strategy game"?
[01:40] <SeamusLP> Yep
[01:40] <sydneyfong> probably "linux"
[01:40] <Xgates> I've never messed with /etc/passwd before how do you add root into it?
[01:41] <mjr> Hedgehog, tuxracer, egoboo, frozen-bubble
[01:41] <sydneyfong> first line of /etc/passwd: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[01:41] <SeamusLP> Hedgehog:  It's not bad singleplayer, but it's the most fun multiplayer
[01:41] <sydneyfong> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[01:41] <Xgates> ok
[01:41] <paulfox> how are unix directories pronounced? is usr "user", and etc "etcetera"?
[01:41] <Xgates> paulfox: yes
[01:41] <paulfox> Xgates, cheers
[01:42] <Ycros> does ubuntu use the cfq scheduler by default?
[01:42] <sydneyfong> and then change your password using `passwd` (if your shadow file is damaged too)
[01:42] <mjr> Hedgehog, oh, and pingus, and supertux :)
[01:42] <Hedgehog> trying all these out now
[01:43] <Xgates> sydneyfong: when you install Ubuntu as default what does it do, take the user passwd and make it the same for root?
[01:44] <xmux> paulfox: a lot of people say 'et-see'
[01:44] <sydneyfong> Xgates, I've never installed ubuntu before ;-p (i'm a debian user...)
[01:44] <Xgates> k
[01:44] <Xgates> sydneyfong: thanks
[01:45] <mjr> Xgates, root account is disabled, and the first user is given full sudo rights
[01:45] <epicenter> What is a good video re-encoding program for Linux/Ubuntu? Preferably one I can cut out a bit of a video and re-encode, or do the whole thing, like VirtualDub for Windows.
[01:46] <epicenter> A good DVD ripping app would also really come in handy, although I guess I may have to do s tuff like manual decryption, demuxing, recompressing and remuxing, huh?
[01:46] <mjr> epicenter, dvdrip from marillat is good for the latter
[01:46] <Sp4rKy> please a distrib (based on debian if it can) for a server ?
[01:47] <mjr> kino might be for the former, but I don't really know
[01:47] <epicenter> I can try that
[01:47] <epicenter> last time I did kino crashed the second it started
[01:47] <mjr> then there's of course cinelerra, which might be overkill ;)
[01:48] <epicenter> What's the best de/compression tool with support for RAR and ZIP?
[01:48] <mjr> (and it's not packaged)
[01:48] <epicenter> (7z nice but not required)
[01:48] <azad> hi.. is there an alternative sources-list for hoary
[01:49] <ubuntu> Hello, is there a GTK/GNOME tool that allows me to edit MP3 ID3 tags?
[01:49] <epicenter> apt-cache search id3
[01:49] <epicenter> azad: you usually just add new soruces to your OWN list.
[01:49] <azad> mmja
[01:50] <Burgundavia> ubuntu, easytag
[01:50] <CarlK> for my install-swap-hd project, I figure it is a good idea to dump the ubuntu cd onto the drive - will /etc/apt/sources.list look to a local dir?
[01:50] <Arnia> ubuntu: cantus3 :)
[01:50] <SeamusLP> ubuntu:  I know amarok has an id3 editor in it
[01:50] <mjr> CarlK, yes, file:// uris should work
[01:50] <azad> epicenter: but i wonder why the old servers don't work anymore.. or there isn't an update since 3 days or sth
[01:50] <CarlK> mjr - thanks
[01:50] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, amarok != gtk app
[01:51] <no0tic> How can I integrate spamassassin into evolution?
[01:51] <SeamusLP> oh yeah, that's right
[01:51] <Sp4rKy> et enguarde secure linux ?
[01:51] <epicenter> What's the best archiving/dearchiving tool in your opinion, people?
[01:51] <Sp4rKy> sorry
[01:51] <epicenter> There are too many :P
[01:51] <SeamusLP> epicenter:  tar? heh
[01:51] <epicenter> GUI based
[01:52] <azad> epicenter: unpacking with unp
[01:52] <epicenter> there  a good tool that does compression and decompression?
[01:52] <corp> hello
[01:52] <SeamusLP> Well I use file-roller for unpacking
[01:52] <epicenter> ark has a tendency to fail to read my files
[01:52] <corp> how do i get packages remotely through a proxy?
[01:52] <SeamusLP> I installed the nonfree rar package and it takes care of it quite well
[01:52] <SeamusLP> Although it is shareware...
[01:53] <corp> i want to install wine.
[01:53] <SeamusLP> corp you can add a proxy to synaptic in the preferences menu
[01:53] <Burgundavia> corp, what are you looking to do with it?
[01:54] <nydust> is there any gui ssh client? that support cut and paste.. I use putty now, but cant paste teks.
[01:54] <corp> burg: with wine? well, run windows apps
[01:54] <corp> burg: mainly, IE for testing
[01:55] <bretzel>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY lus3br
[01:55] <Burgundavia> corp, IE should work with the wine package in the repos
[01:55] <EvilIdler> Hehe../msg nickserv with a ghost command now ;)
[01:55] <Burgundavia> corp, although the issue with IE you pretty much need a windows install
[01:55] <epicenter> I'm using the latest source of Wine, and only a few choice apps work. :(
[01:56] <epicenter> Even simple shit like Mspaint and Notepad crash
[01:56] <epicenter> Virtualdub's Open dialog box doesn't display right, you can't pick jack
[01:56] <epicenter> Photoshop crashes as it can't find my registry info
[01:56] <corp> all i really need is IE. i dont suppose there is some free alternative to vmware...
[01:56] <Burgundavia> corp, the issue with IE is that there is standalone install that really works
[01:57] <SeamusLP> corp:  Qemu
[01:57] <corp> hmm
[01:57] <queuetue> Somehow, polypaudio got ununstaleld, and I've reinstalled it - how does it actually get started?
[01:57] <bretzel> hi there, Question: Just wiped out Hoary array-cd #5 and then installed fresh Hoary release. I am unable to open a xvn4cviewer client to my other hoary server... it was working before...
[01:58] <corp> seam: ?
[01:58] <bob2> queuetue: hoary doesn't use polypaudio
[01:58] <SeamusLP> corp: not sure how well qemu works with windows xp, but I think it's proven with win98 and maybe you can install the latest IE in 98?
[01:58] <corp> ah i see
[01:58] <queuetue> bob2, What does it use?
[01:58] <corp> 98 is fine
[01:58] <mjr> nydust, don't know, would just recommend running the CLI ssh in a gnome-terminal
[01:59] <SeamusLP> There's also a kernel module for Qemu that speeds up emulating a PC OS on a PC
[01:59] <azad> are the ubuntu.com servers broken somehow?
[01:59] <corp> hmm. i will try qemu
[01:59] <mz2> is anyone in here running beagle 0.0.9 with hoary?
[01:59] <bretzel>  Question: Just wiped out Hoary array-cd #5 and then installed fresh Hoary release. I am unable to open a xvn4cviewer client to my other hoary server... it was working before.. - It maybe a wrong PORT# ?
[02:00] <queuetue> bob2, What does hoary use instead of polypaudio?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> queuetue, it uses esound
[02:02] <Jug_> can I install ubuntu from those livecds?
[02:02] <queuetue> Burgundavia, how does that get started?
[02:02] <Burgundavia> queuetue, they attempted to replace esound with polypaudio but there were too many bugs and corner cases that couldn't be worked out
[02:02] <Burgundavia> queuetue, it should start by default
[02:02] <Burgundavia> Jug_, unfortunately, current the answer is no
[02:02] <queuetue> Burgundavia, Any idea how it starts automatically?
[02:02] <topyli> Hedgehog: hey, vygotsky, leont'ev and luria should be there too!
[02:03] <topyli> heh
[02:03] <Burgundavia> queuetue, never dug to find out. I suspect the default gnome session
[02:03] <bob2> queuetue: gnome starts it
[02:03] <queuetue> bob2, Any way to restart without killing my gnome session?
[02:04] <queuetue> It does not appear to be working.
[02:04] <john__> What command do I use to find out if I have Warty or Hoary?
[02:05] <Arnia> queuetue: Terminal sudo esd -k && esd should do it
[02:05] <SeamusLP> John_:  If you're running gnome you can just click on System -> about ubuntu
[02:05] <azad> are some ubuntu.com servers down/not worky/outdated?
[02:05] <Arnia> well, sudo esd. Sorry
[02:05] <john__> SeamusLP: Thanks! But I want to know how I do it in the terminal.
[02:06] <Burgundavia> john_, cat /etc/issue
[02:06] <john__> ok. Thanks, Burgundavia
[02:08] <GhostFreeman> shit
[02:08] <GhostFreeman> I'm getting an error "I've detected a panel already running,
[02:08] <GhostFreeman> and will now exit."
[02:08] <GhostFreeman> what do I do here?
[02:09] <vasi> what did you just do?
[02:09] <bob2> azad: best if you just explain why you think that might be the case
[02:09] <GhostFreeman> I dont know
[02:09] <GhostFreeman> all the sudden it says gnome-panel has crashed and it asks me to terminate
[02:09] <GhostFreeman> I agree, and all the sudden, this message pops up
[02:10] <GhostFreeman> system monitor shows two active gnome-panel
[02:10] <vasi> weird
[02:10] <SeamusLP> GhostFreeman:  pkill gnome-panel
[02:10] <GhostFreeman> same
[02:10] <bretzel> xvnc4viewer probs: Please, the other computer that runs the vncserver doesn't respond at all: it was working before I re-installed hoary
[02:10] <GhostFreeman> it keeps doing it
[02:10] <azad> bob2: Fetched 2B in 0s (3B/s)
[02:11] <azad> there are no updates on apt it appears
[02:12] <GhostFreeman> Restart GNOME?
[02:12] <SeamusLP> GhostFreeman: killall gnome-panel, maybe?
[02:12] <bretzel> ?/ Am I read ????
[02:12] <GhostFreeman> tried killall
[02:12] <mishof> I've installed a game, now when i double click a file it opens up fine, but when i insert it to the gnome menu using menu editor and click it - it doesnt do anything :(
[02:12] <Burgundavia> GhostFreeman, have you restarted X?
[02:12] <GhostFreeman> how do I do that, killall X?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> mishof, which game?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> GhostFreeman, ctrl-alt-bksp
[02:13] <mishof> Burgundavia, eternal lands
[02:13] <GhostFreeman> I was going to do that if all else failed
[02:13] <GhostFreeman> but before I do, where would I report this bug? Ubuntu? GNOME?
[02:13] <SeamusLP> Gnome definitely
[02:13] <Burgundavia> mishof, is that from the repos?
[02:13] <GhostFreeman> and the link to their bugzilla?
[02:13] <vasi> seach bugzilla before adding a new bug!
[02:13] <vasi> search, rather
[02:13] <Xgates> my sources only lists my CD, and I wasnt paying attention in the expert install and left it for the CD, how can I change that so I can update it for the mirrors?
[02:14] <vasi> and it's either bugs.gnome.org or bugzilla.gnome.org, i forget which
[02:14] <mishof> Burgundavia, nope.. but when i double click the executable from nautilus it works ...
[02:14] <GhostFreeman> Thanks. Restarting X...
[02:14] <Burgundavia> mishof, what is the command you use to start this program?
[02:15] <mishof> Burgundavia, /opt/el_101/el.x86.linux
[02:16] <Burgundavia> mishof, are you running that command from terminal?
[02:16] <bretzel> Hey, I have solved my probs, thanks all for not ever talking to me :-(
[02:16] <mishof> Burgundavia, nope, as i said i enter it in the gnome menu editor
[02:17] <GhostFreeman> Restarting X did it
[02:17] <GhostFreeman> going to file a bug report
[02:17] <SeamusLP> GhostFreeman:  Search for the bug first
[02:19] <GhostFreeman> yeah, its taking me through that
[02:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> how hard is it to convert to kubuntu ?
[02:19] <Burgundavia> Pop_pa_FrEaK, not really
[02:19] <vasi> just 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[02:19] <Burgundavia> Pop_pa_FrEaK, install kubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <GhostFreeman> One thing I liked though is that the error didn't interfere with GNOME in general
[02:20] <djp> anyone know if it is possible to use totem-gstreamer with mozplugger to listen to shoutcast streams? i have checked out the forums but that only seems to have answers that use totem-xine which i do not want to use.
[02:20] <GhostFreeman> unlike Windows where you cant do anything if it shows up
[02:20] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> vasi and that's it ?
[02:20] <nydust> how do i enable dhcp?
[02:21] <vasi> basically it
[02:21] <vasi> nydust, just apt-get install it
[02:21] <nydust> vasi, the client?
[02:21] <vasi> er, do you mean server or client?
[02:21] <Xgates> OK I got it ---> apt-setup  :-)
[02:21] <Xgates> WoOt
[02:22] <cikilin> is anybody using valknut?
[02:22] <vasi> for the client, you're probably best off using the gnome networking app
[02:22] <GhostFreeman> How do I get rid of all these K-flavored apps Kubuntu installed
[02:22] <vasi> GhostFreeman, look into debfoster
[02:22] <Xappe> cikilin: have been, now i'm using linuxdcpp
[02:22] <nydust> vasi, client, i had it but i fucked opp the config file
[02:22] <SuperCatFrog> hi - im using kubuntu but im having problems with amarok. when i do apt-get install amarok-xine and/or apt-get install amarok-engines, they dont come up in amarok's availalbe output engines. at the moment, only arts is showing up - can anybody tell me what i can do?
[02:22] <vasi> is there a recommended GPG frontend?
[02:22] <Ede_K> hi all
[02:22] <Burgundavia> vasi, seahorse is nice, and might go into gnome for 2.12
[02:23] <Burgundavia> SuperCatFrog, you might want to try #kubuntu
[02:23] <topyli> GhostFreeman: remove kdelibs, kdebase and all that
[02:23] <nydust> vasi, in the /ect/network/interfaces <-- i added static but what is dhcp ?
[02:23] <Xappe> cikilin: lacks some functions yet, but I like the progress so far
[02:23] <Burgundavia> SuperCatFrog, they have more experience with kde stuff
[02:23] <GhostFreeman> ok
[02:23] <Ede_K> i have installed a lexmark z42 to ubuntu hoary
[02:23] <GhostFreeman> will that keep my copy of Kubuntu-Desktop
[02:23] <nydust> vasi, i dont have x
[02:23] <Ede_K> but the printer wont print
[02:23] <vasi> Burgundavia, thanks
[02:23] <SuperCatFrog> burgundavia - i have, then i tried #amarok but they said ask the package creators so i thought i'd come here as a last attempt before compiling from source (the reason i moved away from gentoo!)
[02:23] <topyli> GhostFreeman: no, it will be gone
[02:23] <Sp4rKy> Do you think i can install Dell imp 720 printer ???
[02:24] <Enspyron> how can I get totem to work with avi movies?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> SuperCatFrog, what did #kubuntu say?
[02:24] <GhostFreeman> and then, I could install just Kubuntu-desktop less the "krap"
[02:24] <vasi> nydust, man 5 interfaces
[02:24] <Ede_K> when i have sent the print job to the printer nothing  happened
[02:24] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, install gstreamer-plugins
[02:24] <topyli> GhostFreeman: kubuntu-desktop includes all the krap
[02:24] <Ede_K> ubuntu says that the job is sent
[02:24] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, assuming you have already enabled the other repos
[02:24] <SuperCatFrog> kubuntu suggested things like installing the amarok-engines package, that was it i think
[02:25] <aurax> hello dudes
[02:25] <topyli> GhostFreeman: you're trying to run kde but no kde applications?
[02:25] <vasi> SuperCatFrog, last i heard amarok was somewhat broken in kubuntu
[02:25] <aurax> anyone here knows how to install printer w/ print server?
[02:25] <GhostFreeman> yeah
[02:25] <hengx> Hey... I'm running Hoary, but after Hoary was released as final, I'm not getting any upgrades when doing sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:25] <Burgundavia> aurax, salut
[02:25] <CarlK> how can I tell what I have apt-get installed? (idealy not including what the installer installed)
[02:25] <aurax> salut?
[02:25] <topyli> GhostFreeman: that's a strange wish :)
[02:25] <Enspyron> Burgundavia, Install ALL the gstreamer packages?
[02:25] <Burgundavia> hengx, hoary is now frozen. New stuff will not be coming into hoary, only security updates, of which there have been none yet
[02:25] <Enspyron> There is alot of them at synaptic
[02:26] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, easier that way. Then you get everything
[02:26] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, gstreamer-plugins is a meta-package for them all
[02:26] <SuperCatFrog> burgundavia - is there anyway to be on a constant upgrade cycle like in gentoo?
[02:26] <vasi> is there any reason that mol-modules is not available as a .deb, but has to be built from mol-modules-source?
[02:26] <bretzel> is anybody see me here ?????
[02:26] <GhostFreeman> well I can only stand seeing my GNOME Applications window being bloated enough
[02:26] <Burgundavia> SuperCatFrog, when breezy opens, switch your repos to breezy
[02:26] <SuperCatFrog> vasi - so it can be built against your running kernel?
[02:26] <Garathor> Where are the packages i have installed stored locally? I want to burn out the packages to give it to a friend that doesn't have internet-access
[02:26] <SuperCatFrog> ok thanks burgundavia
[02:26] <Burgundavia> bretzel, what is your issue?
[02:26] <hengx> Burgundavia, uh.. ok. Because after upgrading, CrossOver fails to work... So I hoped for some update
[02:26] <GhostFreeman> ill try debfoster
[02:26] <aurax> i got trendnet usb print server that works fine on windows trying to make it work with ubuntu is pretty hard, any of you knows some guiding lines to start with .. ?
[02:27] <Burgundavia> hengx, hmm what sort of errors?
[02:27] <EvilIdler> Garathor: /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:27] <hengx> I doesn't start up anymore
[02:27] <bretzel> Burgundavia: I was crying to figure out whasy my xvnc4viwer wasn't connecting to my other computer running vncserver - but it is solved now\
[02:27] <Garathor> thankyou.
[02:27] <bretzel> No body talked to me :-(
[02:27] <hengx> I loads, but then everything just stops and nothing happens
[02:28] <Burgundavia> bretzel, is a busy channel, and sometimes there is nobody who has that experience. Any other issues?
[02:28] <vasi> SuperCatFrog, but shouldn't the version for the default kernel be available?
[02:28] <queuetue> Arnia, THanks, btw.
[02:28] <vasi> just so your average user can get MOL running out of the box rather than having to grab kernel source, etc
[02:28] <SuperCatFrog> vasi - no idea, just a suggestion
[02:28] <bretzel> Burgundavia: no :-) As usual, it was a silly question frm me :-) ( hostname resolution unconfigured ) duh! thanks :-)
[02:29] <vasi> SuperCatFrog, thanks anyhow
[02:29] <RainMoods> hi there
[02:29] <vasi> hmm....any way to enter a hidden (dot-file) directory in the gnome file chooser?
[02:30] <Burgundavia> vasi, ctrl-l brings up the type bar
[02:30] <Burgundavia> vasi, or right-click and choose show hidden
[02:30] <bretzel> By the way :L someone kind enough to teset incoming connection to my apache2 server from outside of my local network thus connecting to my http server if it works ... ???
[02:30] <RainMoods> Ubuntu used to see my scanner (with XSane) but now not anymore... Any thoughts on how to solve this?
[02:30] <aurax> anyone ?
[02:30] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# mount /media/cdrom0/
[02:30] <Xgates> mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660'
[02:30] <Burgundavia> RainMoods, does dmesg tell you anything?
[02:30] <Xgates> CRAP whats with this
[02:30] <Xgates> cant mount the cdrom
[02:30] <Xgates> errrr
[02:31] <topyli> bretzel: what's the hostname?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> Xgates, it should mount it by default
[02:31] <Xgates> Burgundavia: its not
[02:31] <RainMoods> Burgundavia: type dmesg in a terminal?
[02:31] <Xgates> boy Ubuntu just wont give me a break
[02:31] <cikilin> has anybody valknut intsalled?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> RainMoods, unplug and re plugin your scanner then type dmesg
[02:31] <garrut_> cikilin: i have
[02:31] <Burgundavia> RainMoods, read the last few lines
[02:31] <RainMoods> OK
[02:31] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  Aren't you running the expert install?
[02:32] <Burgundavia> RainMoods, assuming it is USB
[02:32] <Xgates> SeamusLP: yeah something must not of been installed
[02:32] <RainMoods> yes, it is USB
[02:32] <Xgates> sheesh expert install in Slackware and things work
[02:32] <Xgates> hehe
[02:32] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  Or your fstab is misconfigured?
[02:33] <Xgates> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[02:33] <Enspyron> Burgundavia, I installed all the packages, but it still doesn't work, and I was mistaken about the file format, it's not AVI but MPG
[02:33] <SeamusLP> That's mine exactly
[02:34] <RainMoods> whoo Burgundavia, the unplug - replug worked! Xsane now sees the scanner
[02:34] <RainMoods> thanks
[02:34] <goo> Hello. I am wondering where I might find the source to the program newsgate - I can't seem to be able to get it with apt-get source newsgate
[02:34] <Burgundavia> RainMoods, hmm, odd
[02:34] <Burgundavia> RainMoods, shouldn't have
[02:34] <Enspyron> Burgundavia, When I try to play a MPG or avi file, it says I need the plugins. Where can I get those?
[02:34] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, did you get gstreamer-plugins?
[02:34] <RainMoods> it shouldnt, but it works!
[02:34] <Enspyron> yeah
[02:34] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, then I would recommend changing to totem-xine
[02:35] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, you also need to install w32codecs
[02:35] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, totem-xine is far more stable, but gstreamer is more developer friendly
[02:35] <Enspyron> Ok, I will look for it on synaptic. Does it also support formats like xvid, divx and AC3?
[02:35] <Xgates> SeamusLP: all I can think is that some module for this was not installed
[02:35] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, w32codecs will get all that stuff
[02:35] <Enspyron> ok thanks
[02:36] <RainMoods> you know something else funny: when I boot into Linux by turning on my computer, the screen stays blank after a while .Then I boot into an older version of linux, and everything works. Then I restart into the latest version, and that works
[02:36] <bretzel> Thanks to topyli, I discovered that my apache2 server do not accept internet connections: I need pointer(s) on how-to expose apache to intrernet -- any clue ??
[02:37] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  Maybe the cd is using an odd filesystem type?
[02:39] <Xgates> SeamusLP: no its the install CD trying to install a package of it
[02:39] <Xgates> with Synaptic
[02:39] <indypende> Qualcuno pu aiutarmi per configurare samba???
[02:39] <Xgates> of/off ....
[02:39] <indypende> Qualcuno pu aiutarmi per configurare samba???
[02:40] <vasi> Burgundavia, thanks! i'm a mac user, i never think of right clicking :-)
[02:40] <Burgundavia> vasi, in Linux htere are 3 mouse buttons
[02:40] <Burgundavia> vasi, if you highlight something, then click the middle mouse button, it will paste it
[02:41] <Xgates> SeamusLP: where can I dl the default kernel I think I know what the problem is, I'm changing my kernel and I removed it while putting in a new one and I think thats it since its not here loaded and the cdrom cant load niow
[02:41] <Xgates> now
[02:41] <Xgates> boy Im not thinking here
[02:41] <Xgates> LOL
[02:42] <SeamusLP> You can get it in apt
[02:42] <cmug_> os x tiger came out
[02:42] <dags> how do i check to see if hibernating is working?
[02:43] <SeamusLP> I think the package is kernel-386
[02:43] <SeamusLP> or linux-386 actually
[02:43] <Xgates> I got it
[02:43] <Xgates> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/base/linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[02:43] <Burgundavia> dags, ou have to enable it
[02:43] <Burgundavia> dags, there is a wiki article on it, let it dig it up for you
[02:44] <Burgundavia> dags, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[02:44] <SiRrUs> good morning gentlemen
[02:44] <dags> Burgundavia, thank you
[02:45] <HeZiX> Hi
[02:45] <Burgundavia> salut HeZiX
[02:45] <HeZiX> salut :)
[02:46] <HeZiX> j'ai un probleme avec apache2 :x
[02:46] <Enspyron> Burgundavia, both synaptic and apt-get can
[02:46] <Enspyron> 't get w32codecs
[02:46] <Enspyron> sorry
[02:46] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:46] <dwa_> HeZiX : que?
[02:46] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, you need to add the debian-marilliat repo
[02:46] <skywire> HI?
[02:47] <bob2> very carefully
[02:47] <bob2> then remove it from your sources.list
[02:47] <HeZiX> j'ai supprimer apache2 de /etc/init.d par erreur et maintenant impossible de le rcuperer :s
[02:47] <skywire> Gibts irgendwo verfickte treiber fr radeon mobility 9200?
[02:47] <Burgundavia> skywire, you might want to try #ubuntu-de
[02:47] <skywire> HeZiX samma schwul oda wos
[02:47] <skywire> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[02:47] <epicenter>  ....:P
[02:48] <bob2> this is prety obviously an english channel, folks
[02:48] <HeZiX> lol
[02:48] <Dist> Can you install ubuntu from ubuntu live cd?? (Like you can install Knoppix..)
[02:48] <Burgundavia> Dist, not with hoary
[02:48] <bob2> Dist: no
[02:48] <Burgundavia> Dist, is on the roadmap for the next release
[02:48] <bob2> if you have the live + install dvd, you can
[02:49] <Dist> Ok. Thanks! =)
[02:50] <Xgates> SeamusLP: that was it
[02:51] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  I know you don't enjoy torturing yourself.  Do the default install.  But if you really do enjoy torture, go install gentoo ;)
[02:52] <freewoody> Hi all
[02:53] <freewoody> How do I install my local True Type fonts in Ubuntu ?
[02:53] <bob2> put them in /usr/local/share/fonts/
[02:54] <freewoody> Just copy and pastes the fonts in that directory
[02:54] <VladDrac> 'llo
[02:54] <VladDrac> anyone have any clue why my ps2 mouse works perfectly except for the scrollwheel?
[02:54] <VladDrac> on a very similar system at home (same mouse, cordless logitech), it works just fine
[02:55] <uggwar> VladDrac, Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" not in your xorg.conf?
[02:55] <VladDrac> ugg: it's there
[02:55] <epicenter> 0xdeadbeef (MIDIMAP.DRV..data+0x9bd67eef): *** Invalid address 0xdeadbeef (MIDIMAP.DRV..data+0x9bd67eef)
[02:55] <mishof> evolution (mail client) doesn't show images in emails that are hosted on another server, and i cant find the option to show images .. where is it ?
[02:55] <epicenter> what a coincidence
[02:55] <bob2> VladDrac: is the protocol imps/2?
[02:55] <epicenter> "Dead beef"?
[02:55] <VladDrac> bob it is
[02:55] <uggwar> VladDrac, yes, think so
[02:55] <bob2> mishof: that's a sanity feature
[02:55] <uggwar> mt
[02:56] <bob2> mishof: enabling it means spammers can verify your address just by you viewing it
[02:56] <freewoody> so how do I install local fonts in Ubuntu ?
[02:56] <uggwar> bob2, didn't see that you sent that one :-)
[02:56] <mishof> bob2, i know - i want to activate it in a certain email, not in all of them
[02:56] <brutuli> Hi all, its the first time for me in a chat
[02:57] <mishof> hi brutuli have fun :-)
[02:57] <freewoody> bob2, are you using Hoary right now ?
[02:57] <cikilin> i have pb with valknut  i dont have the columns headers!can anybody help me?
[02:57] <bob2> freewoody: yes
[02:58] <brutuli> My kde doesn't render correctly the fonts, anybody knows what is the problem?
[02:59] <SeamusLP> brutuli whats wrong? aliasing?
[03:00] <dwa_> nn GmanZZ
[03:00] <devazion> Hi, anybody here know what "crack" i need to use to get diablo 2 lod online? the d2loader tells me that battlenet is unable to identify my application... got any tips?
[03:01] <uggwar> devazion, find somewhere else to ask such questions? ;-)
[03:01] <SeamusLP> brutuli check out the #kubuntu channel, ask them how to mess with fonts
[03:01] <brutuli> SemausLP thanks
[03:01] <brutuli> Bye bye all
[03:01] <devazion> uggwar, honestly... i have :) its just that noone plays d2 in cedega channel ;) i just checked this channel... cuz many ubuntu users is sort of windows-gamers ;) hehe
[03:01] <aurax> i got trendnet usb print server that works fine on windows trying to make it work with ubuntu is pretty hard, any of you knows some guiding lines to start with .. ?
[03:02] <freewoody> Hello, I need help to install local true type fonts in Ubuntu
[03:02] <epicenter> How well does Virtual PC work to emulate an XP machine in Linux? Can it mount an existing Windows partition, and is it as horribly slow as it looks?
[03:02] <aurax> freewoody - msttcorefonts
[03:02] <aurax> "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[03:02] <bob2> epicenter: VPC runs on a linux host?
[03:03] <epicenter> I thought it did. ;P
[03:03] <mishof> anyone knows how can i import mail from evolution to thunderbird?
[03:03] <eruin> msttcorefonts arent as good as the ones in winXP
[03:03] <bob2> eruin: they're byte for byte the same fonts
[03:03] <epicenter> I'd like to be able to run a few Windows programs that don't work at all in Linux or Wine, one of them is a 2D game. I imagine that's way to slow to do over VNC. Right?
[03:03] <bob2> perhaps the rendering isn't as good, but the fonts are ;)
[03:04] <mishof> how come i dont have the arial font ? :(
[03:04] <eruin> last time I checked msttcorefonts was based on the webfonts ms released
[03:04] <devazion> epicenter, what game is it?
[03:04] <eruin> which aren't the same as the ones in XP
[03:04] <epicenter> Samidare, probably not heard of i t
[03:04] <eruin> the rendering on linux is far better though ;)
[03:04] <bob2> mishof: it's in the msttcorefonts package
[03:04] <epicenter> 2D topdown shooter
[03:04] <bob2> eruin: oh, hrm, I didn't know that
[03:04] <bob2> my apologies
[03:04] <epicenter> Wine can't run it, neither can Cedega :(
[03:04] <Xgates> say whoever did a default install and has the default USA http mirrors in your /etc/apt/sources.list please PM so I can have you paste it to me, because my 'Universe' section seems messed up, THANKS
[03:04] <epicenter> Neither runs almost anything though
[03:04] <eruin> bob2: that was a long time ago, I could be wrong now ;-)
[03:05] <Xgates> running apt-get update didnt help
[03:05] <Burgundavia> Xgates, you can use archive.ubuntu.com
[03:05] <bob2> Xgates: paste yours to #flood
[03:05] <Burgundavia> Xgates, I am in Canada and it fast for me
[03:05] <Burgundavia> s/it/it is
[03:05] <eruin> when's "down under" happening ?
[03:05] <bob2> eruin: monday week
[03:05] <bob2> 25th
[03:06] <Xgates> bob2: well I just want to see someones that has done the default install so I can see what the default URLS are in it
[03:06] <eruin> bah, that means breezy is coming in the middle of my exam period
[03:06] <epicenter> so, likely to work at playable framerate? yay? nay?
[03:06] <Xgates> Burgundavia: fast isnt the problem I'm getting a error in Synaptic
[03:06] <eruin> exam period means I need a stable system, which means I can't use breezy till summer.. crap ;D
[03:06] <bob2> Xgates: just paste it
[03:07] <trygvebw> Hi, what package do i need to install to get WMA-support in Ubuntu?
[03:07] <bob2> you can't, really
[03:07] <bob2> mplayer will play them
[03:07] <frank> epicenter: does Virtual PC have graphics acceleration? I know VMWare dosen't
[03:07] <Xgates> bob2: ok joining #flood
[03:07] <bretzel__> topily ?
[03:07] <vdrab> hello : is Ubuntu able to mount USB hard drives with an NTFS file system ? if not, i may have to dump it :-(
[03:07] <bob2> but there's no magic "make everything support random proprietary formats"
[03:07] <bob2> vdrab: of course
[03:08] <eruin> trygvebw: I've got a wma->mp3 converter here if you're interested
[03:08] <Burgundavia> Xgates, then change to archive.ubuntu.com
[03:08] <bob2> vdrab: read-only, though
[03:08] <vdrab> yay
[03:08] <eruin> trygvebw: it's in perl
[03:08] <vdrab> ouch
[03:08] <bob2> vdrab: that's the same for every linux-based system
[03:08] <trygvebw> eruin: Yeah, but is there no way to play it natively?
[03:08] <vdrab> yeah, thought so
[03:08] <eruin> trygvebw: not in a "music player"
[03:08] <eruin> I think
[03:08] <trygvebw> :(
[03:08] <VladDrac> okay
[03:08] <VladDrac> scrollproblem fixed - proto=imps to modprobe psmouse
[03:08] <Burgundavia> trygvebw, w32codecs and totem-xine will do it
[03:09] <eruin> yeh, totem, mplayer will do the job, but they're not exactly audio players.. :/
[03:09] <vdrab> bob2 : thanks
[03:09] <trygvebw> Burgundavia, i have those two, but i can still not play them. :|
[03:09] <frank> but what DRMed WMV ??????
[03:09] <frank> LOL
[03:09] <Burgundavia> trygvebw, there is some bugs with wmv support
[03:10] <Burgundavia> erg
[03:10] <bob2> frank: yeah, long-term, proprietary formats are huge issues
[03:10] <Xgates> oh well I think its ok now
[03:10] <Xgates> bbl
[03:10] <liran> Hmm
[03:10] <Burgundavia> hmm, I misread wmv as wmv
[03:10] <Burgundavia> wma
[03:10] <liran> if i ordered a CD from that shipit site
[03:10] <liran> it will cust me money?
[03:10] <Burgundavia> liran, nope
[03:11] <liran> i live in israel,how long till it will be here?
[03:11] <bob2> liran: not a cent
[03:11] <Burgundavia> liran, when it comes
[03:11] <bob2> liran: they'll be out in a month or so
[03:11] <theine> is there a chance that acroread 7.0 will be in hoary multiverse at some point?
[03:11] <Burgundavia> liran, they will email you
[03:11] <liran> oh ok Burgundavia
[03:11] <liran> thanks for the info:)
[03:11] <mercurus> greetings all, Hoary is very nice - thank you to all developers/testers etc :)
[03:11] <frank> theine you can get from snother repository
[03:11] <Burgundavia> theine, possibly, though evince is better and is free
[03:11] <aurax> anyone can help me installing a printer with ubuntu over a lan
[03:11] <bob2> theine: it could be if someone packaged it and the licenese allowed it to be distributed
[03:11] <freewoody> I am sorry but what was the command to apt-get install local fonts ?
[03:11] <deFrysk> theine, is it not in marillat ?
[03:11] <epicenter> when I said VPC before, I meant VMWare ;D
[03:11] <epicenter> let me rephrase
[03:12] <Burgundavia> theine, you are aware of the spyware in 7, eh?
[03:12] <epicenter> How well does VMWARE work to emulate an XP machine in Linux? Can it mount an existing Windows partition, and is it as horribly slow as it looks?
[03:12] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> can someone tell me how I can change grub to a more graphic version ?
[03:12] <epicenter> also if the only game I Run is 2D will that probably be OK?
[03:12] <theine> deFrysk:it is, but the for example the mozilla plugin doesn't work when installed from mrillat
[03:12] <theine> Burgundavia, I am...
[03:12] <devazion> epicenter, wtf is the problem? just mount the damn drive "#sudo mount /dev/yourdrive /yourtarget -t ntfs
[03:12] <freewoody> Can somebody retype the command:  apt-get install  <package> to install local fonts
[03:12] <deFrysk> theine, you instaled the wrong plugin then
[03:13] <SeamusLP> epicenter:  A friend of mine is using an existing partition for vmware, but he's doing some screwed up shit
[03:13] <epicenter> devazion: needing to run Windows applications, obviously
[03:13] <deFrysk> theine, in hoary mozplugger=the wrong plugin
[03:13] <frank> theine deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[03:13] <epicenter> WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM :P
[03:13] <epicenter> calm the goddamn down
[03:13] <theine> deFrysk, acroread-plugins-7.0 is the wrong package you say?
[03:13] <SeamusLP> epicenter:  He had to play with his harddrive geometry to get it working
[03:13] <deFrysk> theine, mozplugger
[03:13] <freewoody> So how do I install local fonts in Ubuntu ?
[03:13] <epicenter> SeamusLP: argh..
[03:13] <theine> frank, actually it's already in testing....
[03:14] <devazion> epicenter, just wine? it works fine for me... Doh
[03:14] <epicenter> FYI most apps don't run in wine :P
[03:14] <deFrysk> theine, sorry I misread your question
[03:14] <epicenter> and since WineX became Cedega .. most don't work in that either
[03:14] <theine> deFrysk, no worries...
[03:14] <topyli> freewoody: didn't bob2 tell you about half an hour ago? doesn't it work?
[03:15] <bob2> freewoody: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[03:15] <frank> epicenter: I ran some linux distributions in VMWare with a WInXP host and it was amazingly fast
[03:15] <liran> man i cant wait till it will be here:P
[03:15] <freewoody> thanks bob2
[03:15] <Burgundavia> liran, shipit is very cool
[03:15] <frank> epicenter: I never tried windows in linux
[03:16] <frank> epicenter: better have enough RAM
[03:16] <freewoody> apt-get install msttcorefonts does not give anything but errors
[03:16] <bob2> freewoody: then you need to paste the errors to #flood
[03:16] <frank> epicenter: But I know that VMWare has no video accleration
[03:16] <theine> deFrysk, when acroread is launched from within firefox there is some dynamical linking problem (libBIB.so can't be found). This can of course be fixed by setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but that's simply a sub-optimal solution as far as I'm concerned...
[03:16] <prahal> gee http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/bugreporting is a dead link
[03:17] <freewoody> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[03:17] <Burgundavia> prahal, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:17] <H0lyD4wg> what is the Proper Way to add ~/bin to the path for everything, including non-interactive shells?
[03:17] <Burgundavia> freemymind, have you enabled universe?
[03:17] <Burgundavia> freewoody, have you enabled universe?
[03:18] <mwh_> Hi, im trying to reconfigure my system, but in synaptic I get this error:
[03:18] <mwh_> etz: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle.
[03:18] <mwh_> anyone know how I can fix this?
[03:18] <bob2> H0lyD4wg: how could it be less ugly?
[03:18] <bob2> mwh_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:19] <bob2> freewoody: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, enable universe
[03:19] <mwh_> bob2: 3 lines
[03:20] <freewoody> OK bob2
[03:20] <bretzel__> At last one of my brothers will be available to test http connections outside 192.168.xxx.xxx --- I really don't know why my apache server does not repond to internet reqests ...
[03:20] <bob2> case of beer says you're behind a "router"
[03:20] <bob2> mwh_: odd
[03:20] <bob2> mwh_: what are yo udoing to get that error?
[03:20] <prahal> well it may be useless (to read the howto) , shoudl i report against the debian-installer for a bug in the new ubuntu keyboard selection method ?
[03:21] <bretzel__> my router redirects port 80 to 192.168.0.117 ( the server )
[03:21] <epicenter> your ISP may block port 80
[03:21] <epicenter> try port 90.
[03:21] <prahal> hey bob2, you never sleep :)
[03:21] <bob2> prahal: heh
[03:21] <andreizinca> hello. how to find out the size of a ftp directory ?
[03:21] <Burgundavia> bretzel__, 8080 is better
[03:21] <bob2> prahal: I just have a lot of time to fill while waiting for baz to compile ;)
[03:21] <bretzel__> nope! it worked before last hoary array-cd #5 installation on that server
[03:21] <mwh_> bob2: im reinstalling all my packages :o)
[03:22] <H0lyD4wg> bob2, it could be less ugly if i found a way to add ~/bin somewhere else (not in .bashrc). putting it in .bashrc isn't just ugly, it doesn't even work for certain things ("run program" dialogs)
[03:22] <bob2> mwh_: er, why?
[03:22] <bretzel__> btw: but only https was accessible from outside ...
[03:22] <mwh_> bob2: to fix some problems
[03:22] <bob2> bretzel__: then your ISP is probably blocking port 80
[03:22] <bob2> mwh_: e.g.?
[03:22] <mwh_> bob2: anyways just marking the two packages gives me the error
[03:22] <bob2> reinstalling everything with synaptic is unlikely to work
[03:22] <prahal> i take part in your pain (even if i don't have the slighest idea what baz is ...
[03:23] <mercurus> H0lyD4wg, what about /etc/bashrc ?
[03:23] <bretzel__> bob2: I wonder why they block for a time and unblock other times ...
[03:23] <mwh_> bob2: im having some troubles with my etc dir some of the files has diminished
[03:23] <bob2> H0lyD4wg: I don't know if run program respects any path variable at all
[03:23] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: create a shell script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[03:23] <bob2> mwh_: you mean you deleted files and you want them to come back?
[03:23] <bob2> mwh_: reinstalling won't help with that
[03:23] <mwh_> bob2: really
[03:24] <mwh_> bob2: what would then .. I think I had some problems with gnumeric and after reinstalling it it fixed the problems
[03:24] <mwh_> bob2: anyways my goal is to reinstall my packages
[03:24] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: Xsession is like profile for console/xterm envs
[03:24] <mercurus> bob2, it seems to work for /usr/bin and /usr/sbin ... I've not really tried it with others ...
[03:24] <andreizinca> is there a way to how to find out the size of a directory from a ftp ?
[03:24] <mwh_> bob2: and the first goal is to reinstall debianutils and coreutils
[03:24] <Enspyron> how can I copy files from a fat32 partition to ext3? it only lets me copy files from fat32 to fat32 and ext3 to ext3?
[03:24] <mwh_> bob2: are you able to reinstall debianutils and coreutils at the same time?
[03:24] <bretzel__> I am calling my ISP!!! --- stay tuned :-) ahahha
[03:25] <mwh_> bob2: oh I guess I should not have debianutils installed at all
[03:25] <mwh_> bob2: it seems that coreutils is replacing debian utils
[03:26] <bob2> yes
[03:26] <bob2> mwh_: but reinstalling packages won't help if you deleted their config files
[03:26] <mwh_> bob2: what will then?
[03:26] <bob2> deleting config files is a "DON'T DO THAT.  NO, REALLY, GO MAKE A CUP OF TEA AND THINK OF A BETTER SOLUTION"-thing
[03:27] <bob2> mwh_: first, promise you won't ever do it again
[03:27] <mwh_> sure I wont
[03:27] <Enspyron> how can I copy files from a fat32 partition to ext3? it only lets me copy files from fat32 to fat32 and ext3 to ext3?lol
[03:27] <freebug> hello, anybody have a mother with nForce auio onboard working (nvidia drivers)?
[03:27] <mwh_> bob2: maybe we should look at the concrete problem of debianutils and coreutils
[03:27] <Enspyron> oops.. oh well
[03:27] <bob2> then, for every package you destroyed, do 'sudo dpkg -P --force-depends blah bleh blah bloh ; sudo apt-get install blah bleh blah bloh "
[03:27] <bob2> mwh_: no, that's not an actual problem, ignore it
[03:27] <mwh_> bob2: it seems a bit dangerous to remove debianutils
[03:27] <freewoody> Does anybody here use Gmplayer ?
[03:28] <bob2> mwh_: it Pre-Depends on a version of coreutils
[03:28] <prahal> Enspyron: you mean using "cp" ?
[03:28] <bob2> mwh_: but there's no need to touch either of them, neither has useful config files that you could have deleted
[03:29] <Enspyron> cp? I just want to copy mp3 files from a fat32 partition to ext3
[03:29] <Enspyron> prahal, is that possible?
[03:29] <prahal> freebug: an nforce2 <= ?
[03:29] <mwh_> bob2: but it seems to me that only coreutils should be installed
[03:29] <mwh_> bob2: not debianutils
[03:29] <prahal> Enspyron: i wonder how the h*** it could not work ... do you ahve an error message ?
[03:29] <mwh_> bob2: like debianutils is replaced by coreutils
[03:29] <bob2> mwh_: debianutils' description looks very much like it should be installed
[03:30] <bob2> mwh_: coreutils is a gnu thing, anyway
[03:30] <freebug> prahal, yep, MSI k7n2 delta2
[03:30] <gnubie> is there a default root password for the liveCD?
[03:30] <mwh_> bob2: okay
[03:30] <mwh_> bob2: but then I would guess that it is a bug that the two packages are in conflict
[03:30] <bob2> gnubie: I imagine it uses sudo, like the normal cd
[03:30] <gnubie> k
[03:30] <Enspyron> prahal, No... When I copy something on the fat32 partition, the paste thing just wont show up when I try to paste at ext3
[03:30] <bob2> mwh_: it's not a package problem
[03:30] <freewoody> How do I disable the Ctrl + Alt + Del keys ?
[03:30] <bob2> mwh_: I suspect you just confused synaptic a lot
[03:30] <prahal> Enspyron: hum ... maybe you have characters not "supported"  by ext3 (windows does not support all char too but the range don't match)
[03:31] <bob2> freewoody: you modify /etc/X11/Xorg.conf manually
[03:31] <bob2> freewoody: man Xorg.conf, look for the DontZap option or so
[03:31] <mwh_> bob2: then how about you tried to see if you can reinstall debianutils and coreutils at the same time
[03:31] <mwh_> bob2: I guess that should be posible
[03:31] <prahal> Enspyron: you can rename file with "pattern" by using "rename" or krename (i have not tried the later)
[03:31] <freewoody> Well I am using still using Warty ?
[03:31] <bob2> freewoody: then the XFree86 config file
[03:31] <bob2> mwh_: that won't work
[03:32] <mwh_> bob2: no, but is that not a bug then?
[03:32] <Enspyron> prahal, I hardly think so, most files are music files and they have names like 1.ape 2.ape
[03:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> could someone direct me to where I can read up on installing ati drivers into ubuntu ?
[03:32] <bob2> mwh_: no, it's not
[03:32] <bob2> mwh_: both are critical packages the user should not be screwing with
[03:32] <mwh_> bob2: oh please explain why
[03:32] <bob2> mwh_: apt can handle installing and upgrading them just fine
[03:33] <bob2> mwh_: both are Essential: yes, and thus cannot be removed
[03:33] <bob2> mwh_: and debianutils Pre-Depends on coreutils
[03:33] <Enspyron> krename or pattern? does that automatically edit my filenames to supported filenames? I take it theres man pages or something on that?
[03:33] <prahal> Enspyron: a sec
[03:34] <theine> mwh_, so you can't reinstall both at the same time... is there a real issue here?
[03:34] <bob2> mwh_: if there was a massively pressing need to reinstall them, you could
[03:34] <bob2> but not with synaptic
[03:34] <mwh_> bob2: aha
[03:35] <mwh_> okay, I will just not mark them then
[03:35] <theine> mwh_, plus you can reinstall one after the other...
[03:35] <bretzel__> Oh my -- my ISP is blocking anything they detect as a server port on our residential connections!!!! I have my answers! The tech guy told me I could use another port but if they detect it they will block it!!
[03:35] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, can you point me to docs about Xsession.d ?
[03:36] <mwh_> bob2: but its just wird that synaptic would not do the thing itself, like reinstall first one of them then the other
[03:36] <thoreauputic> bretzel__: get another ISP :/
[03:37] <bob2> mwh_: meh
[03:37] <bob2> mwh_: it wont happen in practice
[03:37] <mwh_> bob2: anyways, is there a way to recreate /etc? like asking the packaging system to reconfigure its etc files ?
[03:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> found a tutorial for ati cards on the forums :)
[03:37] <GhostFreeman> amaroK backwards is Korama. is there some importance to this
[03:37] <bob2> no, it's not a case of reconfiguring anything
[03:38] <mwh_> bob2: okay, im open for suggestions
[03:38] <bob2> mwh_: how badly do you not want to reinstall?
[03:38] <lok> "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem.  File a bug. << does someone know that bug ?
[03:39] <prahal> Enspyron: which encoding do you use (ex fr_FR.UTF-8@euro ) ? (you can check with "locale")
[03:39] <mwh_> bob2: im reinstalling right now .. but besides the reinstalling bit?
[03:40] <Enspyron> prahal, en_US.UTF-8"
[03:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> is ubuntu using Xorg 6.8 ?
[03:41] <bob2> mwh_: no, as in formatting and reinstalling from cd
[03:41] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=65800#post65800 , i guess the ubuntu link is the best fitted there :)
[03:41] <bob2> mwh_: just reinstalling packages won't help
[03:42] <mwh_> bob2: no I wont do that
[03:42] <bob2> mwh_: ok then
[03:42] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: though if you want i have a load of unreadable docs about profile and unix (something liek the graal quest)
[03:42] <bob2> mwh_: seriously, remember this conversation next time you consider deleting something you don't fully understand
[03:42] <mwh_> bob2: I think ill wait for breeze before reinstalling
[03:43] <wastrel> hello i'm trying to set up my printer but it's not working :]   using the new printer dealy in gnome
[03:43] <bob2> mwh_: do you know exactly what you deleted?
[03:43] <wastrel> i go thru the wizard but no printer is set up
[03:43] <mwh_> bob2: no
[03:45] <bob2> mwh_: also, in future, when you ask for help, say what you really did instead of cryptically saying that "some of the files in /etc/ are diminished"
[03:45] <bob2> "hi, I deleted files out of /etc/ for no reason, how do I get them back?"
[03:46] <Enspyron> Is there a way to make dirs without SUDO because I'm getting tired of having to go into the console all the time to create dirs
[03:46] <Burgundavia> Enspyron, where are you creating the dirs?
[03:47] <wastrel> the printer isn't being autodetected by the printer wizard so i'm wondering if the usb hotplug stuff is working...
[03:47] <Enspyron> \mnt\hd1\...
[03:47] <mwh_> bob2: okay, I updated to hoary, and the bootup sequence was the same as in warty, so I had a fully installed hoary on another partition, I took the etc from it and put it in my updated hoary .. changed the few config files I had changed like passwd, shadow, profile and so on
[03:47] <mwh_> the bootup sequence was then fine .. nice
[03:47] <bob2> for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep install$ | awk '{print $1}') ; do sudo apt-get install --reinstall -o Dpkg::options=--force-confmiss $i ; done
[03:47] <bob2> that might work
[03:47] <prahal> Enspyron: one last thing you told the "paste thing does not show up" have you tried copying from the command line (i guess you use nautilus ? 2.10 ?)
[03:48] <Enspyron> burgundavia, it tells me I don't have permission to write when I try to copy dirs containing files
[03:48] <mwh_> but somethings are out of sync I think perticular /etc/gconf
[03:48] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, i'd want the unreadble docs too. the more info, the better :)
[03:49] <prahal> Enspyron: do you have user "uid=your_userid,gid=your_userid" in the /etc/fstab line reagrding /mnt/hd1 ? (else it is mounted as root and thus only root can create copy to it , though the fat32 to ext3 is another problem)
[03:50] <Enspyron> prahal, I haven't, but I think that I can't copy because I don't have permission to do so, I don't understand why I don't have permission... When I just drag them to the other window it says that I don't have permission
[03:50] <mwh_> bob2: ill try .. thanks a lot
[03:50] <Enspyron> prahal, I will look at it now...
[03:51] <prahal> Enspyron: about fat32 behing mount as root by default , the rationale is straightforward ... fat32 does not knwo about the concept of "user" (everything was root under win95/98
[03:52] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> when modifying xorg.conf each line seems to have a . in front of the line does that need to be there when i add new lines for getting dri working for an ati card ?
[03:52] <prahal> so by default distro configure it as root too ... but you can map it to your user with the uid and gid option (though only you will be able to access it then)
[03:53] <da_bon_bon> prahal: zipslack uses fat32 as default install partition
[03:53] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: still loading the 40 bookmarks ... i have not made a policy with those yet (i hope you will :)
[03:53] <tat> hello me and my friend have experienced a strange behavior on a ubuntu, it's whenn you login as the nowmal user and do a "sudo su" to get root, exit to the normal user back, when i now do a sudo su again it dont prombts me for a password, anybody aware of that ?
[03:53] <wastrel> Pop_pa_FrEaK:  what editor are you using?  my xorg.conf has no .'s
[03:53] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> kate
[03:54] <CarlK> tat - that is normal
[03:54] <wastrel> is that a KDE tool?  i don't know it...
[03:54] <H0lyD4wg> tat, sudo only asks for a password if it's been a while since you last typed it.
[03:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes its kde
[03:54] <wastrel> Pop_pa_FrEaK:  try opening it in a different editor maybe?
[03:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok will try
[03:54] <H0lyD4wg> tat, in the same shell, that is.
[03:54] <tat> well thank's, how do i turn it off?
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> Pop_pa_FrEaK: which editor ?
[03:54] <tat> yes it'd the same shell
[03:55] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> kate
[03:55] <da_bon_bon> Pop_pa_FrEaK: i recomend that u use pico or nano. anyway, no need to put the .
[03:55] <borner> hello
[03:55] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> but opened it in text editor and it seems fine now
[03:55] <borner> anyone from netherlands?
[03:55] <bob2> tat: sudo -k
[03:56] <Enspyron> prahal, the line is like this: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hd1        ext3    defaults        0       0
[03:56] <wastrel> so where should i look for documentation on setting up my printer?
[03:56] <Enspyron> prahal, where do I add the line?
[03:56] <Enspyron> prahal, just behind it?
[03:56] <bretzel__> I have set my apache to listen to another port - but the tech guy told me that wen they will detect it they will block that port!!!
[03:56] <wastrel> i recommend that everyone use vi
[03:56] <bretzel__> wastrel: VIM ?
[03:57] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: are you sure that's /mnt/hd1 and not /mnt/hda1 ?
[03:57] <wastrel> sure vim is ok
[03:57] <thomas> Pop_pa_FrEaK : with synaptic, you haven't to do any modification except replace radeon by fglrx in the xorg.conf
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> Enspyron: it has to be hdaX
[03:57] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: do you read french ?
[03:57] <bretzel__> wastrel: I use vim for ALL editing stuff in console :-) but for programming: KDevelop :-)
[03:57] <Enspyron> thoreauputic, I added the line myself, its just mounted at /mnt/
[03:58] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, no, only english and hebrew.
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: then the hd1 part is not needed
[03:58] <Enspyron> it is the name of the map??
[03:58] <wastrel> how do i make that stupid find bar go away in firefox
[03:58] <Enspyron> so I can go to /mnt/hd1 to access the hdd
[03:59] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: is there an "hd1" directory in /mnt ?
[03:59] <thoreauputic> if not, your line is wrong
[04:00] <Enspyron> yeah I did the mount following ubuntuguide.org 's instructions
[04:00] <Enspyron> it works
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: not quite :)
[04:00] <Enspyron> lol, it does work
[04:00] <Enspyron> :p
[04:00] <thoreauputic> no, i meant not quite the guide :)
[04:00] <H0lyD4wg> tat, you also disable it permanently and system-wide by setting timestamp_timeout in /etc/sudoers to 0
[04:01] <thoreauputic> hd1 is a very odd mount point
[04:01] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> how does one stop and start display manger in console ?
[04:01] <dieffel> hello everyone! I have a laptop with a wlan NIC with and an on/off button. I wont de enabled by Ubuntu, but in winXp it is enabled. How do i get this buttun to work??
[04:01] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> manager*
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start  || stop
[04:02] <thoreauputic> or restart
[04:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok need it to get my ati card working
[04:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thank you
[04:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> so it would be sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: to restart it
[04:04] <thoreauputic> yes
[04:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok
[04:04] <wastrel> Trying to get my USB printer set up.  The Gnome "Add a Printer" wizard doesn't seem to be working & doesn't autodetect my printer.  What should I do to get this working?
[04:04] <Enspyron> ok, so if I enter uid=user1,gid=user1 at the line in fstab, does that mean only user1 gets to access it? root can access everything always right?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: your user ID numbers start at 1000 so 1000 is likely
[04:05] <mjr> Enspyron, root can, yes
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: to check, type ` echo $UID ` as your user
[04:06] <mj2892> I am trying to recompile the latest xorg X11R6.8.2 but when i go to do make install I get the error xmakefile: No such file or directory *** No rule to make target `xmakefile'. Stop.  *** [install]  Error 2.
[04:07] <thoreauputic> why are you compiling xorg?
[04:07] <mj2892> i had to make some modifcations to the trident_dac.c so i can run my resolution at 1400x1050. I have a tecra 8200
[04:07] <Enspyron> thoreauputic, it returns nothing... but anyway, I get it, and this account is the only account on the box so that means its 1000
[04:08] <wastrel> why can i find no documentation about setting up a printer on ubuntu's web site?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: OK - odd that  echo $UID returns nothing
[04:08] <Enspyron> should I remove "defaults" under options at the line?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: it should return a number
[04:09] <vdrab> question : I need to be able to handle documents in Japanese, but I would want my OS to be plain English. does that work out of the box in Ubuntu, or does it take some tweaking with encodings?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: no, try defaults
[04:09] <wastrel> if you typo the variable name it'll return a null value
[04:09] <Enspyron> can I reset the file so that I don't have to reboot to reload the partitions?
[04:10] <scizzo> Enspyron: depends...
[04:10] <thoreauputic> type sudo mount -a
[04:10] <scizzo> Enspyron: what have you changed?
[04:10] <Enspyron> I have added a line for partitions and changed another
[04:11] <zratic> Enspyron, can you show it to us?
[04:12] <wastrel> Trying to set up my USB printer.  Any help appreciated.
[04:12] <scizzo> wastrel: whats the problem?
[04:12] <Enspyron> ok so, ill just reboot
[04:12] <Enspyron> will this work: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hdd1        ext3    defaults        0       0    uid=1000,gid=1000
[04:12] <wastrel> scizzo:  it's not being detected by the gnome "Add a Printer" dealy, and when i set it up manually it doesn't appear.
[04:13] <scizzo> wastrel: what printer?
[04:13] <zratic> Enspyron, thank you.
[04:13] <wastrel> epson stylus C86
[04:13] <Enspyron> huh? :p
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: erm... your syntax is wrong
[04:13] <wastrel>  bv  dfguu\\
[04:13] <scizzo> wastrel: I think you will need gimp-print
[04:14] <wastrel> cat on keyboard
[04:14] <kerskine> hah
[04:14] <kerskine> I hate that
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: compare it to a known ood partition in /etc/fstab and you'll see
[04:14] <Enspyron> I just did what the other guy said, I added the user things... for the rest, it is the same
[04:14] <thoreauputic> the uid and gid come bfore, not after
[04:14] <Enspyron> /dev/hda1       /mnt/hdd1        ext3    defaults        0       0 uid=1000  gid=1000
[04:14] <wastrel> scizzo:  the gimp-print driver yes that's what im setting up in the "Add a Printer" dialog.
[04:14] <thoreauputic> *before
[04:14] <Enspyron> this better? :p
[04:15] <thoreauputic> no the  0  0 part comes last
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: I think you need to look at the man page again
[04:15] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: sorry it will take too long , it is a mess there
[04:15] <Enspyron> /dev/hda1       /mnt/hdd1        ext3    defaults      uid=1000,gid=1000       0       0 ??
[04:16] <scizzo> Enspyron: ummm
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: as an example
[04:16] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda10      /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[04:16] <scizzo> Enspyron: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hdd1        ext3    defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000
[04:17] <scizzo> and then 0 0
[04:17] <thoreauputic> or  /dev/hda1       /mnt/winXP      ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=peter,gid=peter
[04:17] <thoreauputic>  0 0
[04:17] <scizzo> or something
[04:17] <thoreauputic> thats a win partition though
[04:17] <Enspyron> ok thx :p
[04:17] <thoreauputic> scizzo's looks about right
[04:17] <scizzo> defaults is a mode also... :P
[04:17] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, np.
[04:18] <scizzo> don't think the fstab will be happy if you place a tab between mode and other modes
[04:18] <scizzo> not sure though
[04:18] <superted> I haven't had any updats for like 3-4 days, isn't there something wrong?
[04:18] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: you can find some random data in m17n  ML and an implementation of an Xsession per user in m17n-env
[04:18] <scizzo> superted: warty?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> superted: no
[04:18] <superted> scizzo: hoary
[04:19] <scizzo> superted: hmm....make sure the sources are correct and so on....and then check for updates again...if not then there are no updates...
[04:19] <scizzo> superted: nothing wrong with it not having any updates....might just be that there are none...
[04:19] <OrionBerlin> hi, is there a german channel for ubuntu?
[04:20] <p88> hi all
[04:20] <zeedo> OrionBerlin: #ubuntu-de
[04:20] <p88> I get the following message when starting mc:
[04:20] <BlackLabel> file:///home/hayden/.icons/default/Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4/default
[04:20] <BlackLabel> file:///home/hayden/.icons/default/Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4/Silver
[04:20] <p88> *** err [lib/liblow.c(373)] :
[04:20] <BlackLabel> whoops
[04:20] <BlackLabel> when i close the lid of my laptop the screen goes blank, how do i make it go back to kde (or not make the screen blank in the first place)?
[04:21] <p88> I reinstalled mc
[04:21] <p88> now I get *** debug [lib/liblow.c(205)] :
[04:21] <nekohayo> anyone using an iRiver with ubuntu?
[04:22] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, thanks, i think i understand now why putting scripts in Xsession.d works: they're sourced, not executed.
[04:22] <Dreamer3> do vnc, or remote X or any of that stuff support LOCAL sound?
[04:22] <Nirk98> hello i have version warty 4.10 and i wont to have Hoary 5.04. how to update it?? (sorry for my english)
[04:23] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: yes but there is stil a problem , it is systm wide , m17n-env script take care of that (you can put scripts in ~/.xsession.d )
[04:23] <nekohayo> Nirk98, look in the wiki for upgrade instructions
[04:23] <scizzo> Nirk98: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:23] <Nirk98> nekohayo and scizoo thenks :) you save my live
[04:23] <Nirk98> :)
[04:24] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, that's ok, the systemwide script only sources the scripts in ~/.xsession.d :)
[04:24] <prahal> did ubuntu devels fixed the problem of opening a file with a kde app from nautilus ? (it open the kde app three time due to its mime file format)
[04:24] <sgarrity> anyone else getting frequent crashes in OpenOffice in 5.04?
[04:25] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: yes and it is also secure as at this stage the X server run with the user permissions (no problem with user gaining root permissions in a script)
[04:25] <kennix> anyone know why all search results are 404 at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support
[04:25] <Dreamer3> ok
[04:25] <Xebitx> Anyone know swiftfxp? ...should be a clone of flashfxp but for linux but there is no readme on how to install it
[04:25] <Dreamer3> what's the deal, upgrading woody to hoary, anyone?
[04:26] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, you mean those scripts once ran with root permissions?
[04:26] <wastrel> Dreamer3:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[04:26] <wastrel> Dreamer3:  i did it yesterday, went plenty smooth
[04:26] <wastrel> lot to download tho
[04:27] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: i mean it was not obvious (there are no official docs for the Xsession )
[04:27] <nickoli> would anyone mind helping me figure out why my boot up is so slow
[04:27] <Riddell> prahal: do you have a bugzilla number?
[04:27] <theine> wastrel: warty to hoary or woody to hoary?
[04:27] <Dreamer3> wastrel: i'm thinking of setting up some dumb terminals and upgrading our server here at work to hoary :)
[04:27] <prahal> nickoli: dma ? hdparm /dev/hda ?
[04:28] <wastrel> ohhhhh woody to hoary lol  no nevermind
[04:28] <nickoli> wohh lost me there im a bit new to ubuntu
[04:28] <wastrel> w???y
[04:28] <Dreamer3> wastrel: yes, WOODY :)
[04:28] <wastrel> :] 
[04:28] <crash9877> hi
[04:28] <mishof> Is there a combination of keys similiar to alt+F4 in windows, that will close a stuck application?
[04:29] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, why aren't there? i'm sure i'm not the first to want to set a $PATH that'll apply to X too..
[04:29] <keyhack> When running "gnome-cups-manager" from a terminal, when choosing a network printer -> Windows Share, this error message displays in ther terminal: "** (gnome-cups-add:13793): WARNING **: no smb browsing support", how can I  fix this?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> mishof: open a terminal and type  xkill  then zap it
[04:29] <thoreauputic> with the mouse
[04:29] <dockane> hi all ... is anybody here who is into ibm hardware (server mainboard) ? i need information about a dual p3 mainboard.
[04:29] <thoreauputic> mishof: there's also an applet you can add to your panel
[04:29] <thoreauputic> to do the same thing
[04:30] <Xebitx> xkill?
[04:30] <Xebitx> what does that do?
[04:30] <thoreauputic> yup
[04:30] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: it zaps the GUI of a running app
[04:30] <nickoli> kills an app
[04:30] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: because debian is the first to do it, if you want i have examples of the way aix, RH and a few others does ... i guess so few people understand X as a whole that the XSF was the first to think of Xsession
[04:30] <thoreauputic> not always totally though
[04:30] <kennix> why is modprobe ndiswrapper failing? 5.04 & all steps until now ok
[04:31] <Xebitx> so you just do xkill in a terminal and press the window to be killed
[04:31] <thoreauputic> sometimes leaves a few bits behind :)
[04:31] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: correct
[04:31] <Xebitx> nice I'll try that
[04:31] <p88> nobody any ideas?
[04:31] <thoreauputic> the mouse cursor turns into a sort of gunsight :)
[04:31] <mishof> thoreauputic, that doesnt help, since sometime the applications are full screen, or they stuck the entire system. the thing is, alt+ctrl+backspace works, so closing the app should be a problem ...
[04:31] <Xebitx> I used to do ps ux and then killall applicationname
[04:32] <thoreauputic> mishof: ctl-alt-bspce kills the X server though
[04:32] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, yes, i'd like to know how other systems do this.
[04:32] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: you can write one , maybe as a small wiki page on ubuntu site will give it the needed momentum
[04:32] <Xebitx> why are the ubuntuforums so slow sometimes?
[04:33] <kennix> Xebitx: overpopular?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: I think the whole site is under strain since the Hoary release
[04:33] <Da_MusH> Is there anyway to get ubuntu to connect to a WPA-encrypted wireless router ?
[04:34] <Da_MusH> It seems to work with WEP, but WPA is so much safer and what i normally use.
[04:35] <Xebitx> ok another question ...how come when I do apt-get remove gftp and it says its not installed, but then I type gftp and gftp loads?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: that sounds bizarre
[04:36] <petemc> Xebitx: dpkg -l|grep gftp
[04:36] <scizzo> Xebitx: might not be named just gftp
[04:36] <scizzo> :P
[04:37] <kennix> do i actually need to recompile kernal to use ndiswrapper?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> kennix: I don't think so - I think you need the linux-headers package for your kernel
[04:38] <keyhack> kennix: There is a HOWTO on the forums
[04:38] <thoreauputic> but I don't use ndiswrapper so...
[04:38] <prahal> a broken attempt at registering all of them : http://www.sun-microsystems.org/Tutorials/rosetta/rosetta.html (it miss the X case, well maybe one of those does handle it), the first debian attempt http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/12/msg00329.html (it is the one RH end up with and break the standard of environment behing shell agnostic , well it won't work on aix : http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg04114.html),
[04:38] <kennix> thanks but the forums are all down/slow
[04:38] <Xebitx> what does sudo apt-get remove gftp-gtk do exactly?
[04:38] <ikaro> hellas
[04:39] <prahal> kdm, gdm and al have their own scripts : http://www.jirka.org/gdm-documentation/x241.html
[04:39] <keyhack> How else can I configure my printers w/o using gnome-cups-manager?
[04:39] <kennix> thoreauputic: so i have to fetch that whole 65mb?
[04:39] <keyhack> I entered a username and password during the wizard, went back, and the username is blank and the password is the wrong length
[04:39] <keyhack> so something isnt right
[04:39] <thoreauputic> kennix: no, I think just the headers
[04:40] <H0lyD4wg> prahal, thanks.
[04:40] <prahal> http://www.interex.org/tech/9000/Tech/aix_hpux_interop_v2/chap03_login.html
[04:40] <keyhack> nm
[04:40] <prahal> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pseries/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.aix.doc/aixuser/usrosdev/sys_startup_files_overview.htm
[04:41] <thoreauputic> kennix: I'd wait until you can read the howto - I know nothing about ndiswrapper, sorry. But i doubt that you need the full kernel source
[04:41] <rod> heya
[04:42] <rod> i aint got no sound : ( It's a stock sb life platinum 2
[04:42] <kennix> thereauputic: i fetched ndiswrapper from ubuntu rpt not sf
[04:42] <rod> could you give me a clue to look in what directions to get the sound back on?
[04:42] <prahal> H0lyD4wg: that refreshed my memry, HP use ~/.vueprofile and aix ~/.dtprofile ...
[04:42] <sphere_> "Then, just log out and change your session to fluxbox before you log back in" how do i do that? what do they mean with change your session to fluxbox?
[04:42] <rod> on warty the sound was ok, im on hoary now
[04:43] <Xebitx> rod go to ubuntuforums and search for audigy and follow the steps
[04:43] <nickoli> how do i install .deb pkgs?
[04:43] <epicenter> dpkg -i whatever.deb
[04:43] <eleusis> dpkg -i
[04:43] <rod> ty Xebitx .... audigy
[04:43] <nickoli> cause it just keeps extracting the files, not running them
[04:43] <thoreauputic> sphere_: there should be a sessions entry at the bottom of the login screen - click that for a list
[04:44] <sphere_> oke thanks
[04:44] <eleusis> nickoli: running them?
[04:44] <kennix> thoreauputic: ok i have a google cache of a howto, but it mentions not the headers
[04:44] <nickoli> yes,
[04:44] <thoreauputic> nickoli: in a terminal, sudo dpkg -i <name of package>
[04:45] <nickoli> whats the sudo for
[04:45] <eleusis> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[04:45] <thenuke> nickoli: to use root-comands
[04:45] <thoreauputic> kennix: I can't really help, sorry - I have never installed ndiswrapper
[04:46] <thenuke> nickoli: no need for root account when you can use sudo, like sudo nano /etc/fstab ..  or then su root if you need the rootshell
[04:46] <nickoli> ok cause i was trying to install cedega using a deb pkg, cause isnt ubuntu pkg management deb files
[04:46] <thoreauputic> kennix: I'n just going on what I've heard/seen
[04:46] <rod> is the ubuntu forum down or is it just e?
[04:46] <kennix> ok. if i do modprobe ndiswrapper and then nothing happens, i dont even get back bash prompt, is that a kernal crash?
[04:47] <Xebitx> how do I find out where an application is installed ..say gftp
[04:47] <ari_> helou
[04:47] <thoreauputic> kennix: if the kernel crashed, you'd hear all about it ;)
[04:47] <thoreauputic> kennix: so, no
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: type the command  `  which gftp `
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Xebitx: it would be /usr/bin/gftp in this case
[04:48] <ari_> my synaptic package manager won't work. ubuntu says: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic:
[04:48] <ari_>  Child terminated with 1 status
[04:49] <ari_> what's wrong?
[04:49] <dbrodie> ari_: you are not in the /etc/sudoers file.
[04:49] <kennix> thoreauputic: good i thought not.
[04:49] <ari_> how can i get there?
[04:49] <dbrodie> ari_: this is not the user created on installation, right?
[04:50] <ari_> hmm.. i don't know
[04:50] <ari_> how can i check that?
[04:50] <dbrodie> ari_: were you the one that installed ubuntu?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> ari_:  what does the command  `   echo $UID `  output (notice capital letters)
[04:51] <membreya> lo there thoreauputic :)
[04:51] <raavi02> hai folks
[04:51] <thoreauputic> membreya: hi, man :)
[04:51] <Xebitx> does gftp not support ssl?
[04:52] <ari_> it says 1000
[04:52] <thoreauputic> ari_: then you should be in sudoers
[04:52] <membreya> system is all up and running again thor :P
[04:52] <thoreauputic> ari_: how did you launch synaptic?
[04:52] <membreya> well ..mostly :P
[04:52] <dockane> where do i find information about alternative ways of installation ? i.e. ubuntu on dvd but the dvdrom is only reachable through lan
[04:52] <thoreauputic> membreya: well done!
[04:52] <azad> are the ubuntu.com apt servers outdated/broken somehow? i don't get any update for apt-get since several days
[04:53] <ari_> system --> adminstration --> synaptic
[04:53] <raavi02> Question regarding codes, for playing different formats of video and audio
[04:53] <thoreauputic> ari_: did it ask for your password?
[04:53] <ari_> yes
[04:53] <thoreauputic> ari_: and you entered your user password in the dialogue?
[04:53] <kennix> how do i find the system log?
[04:53] <ari_> yes
[04:54] <ari_> then i get the message
[04:54] <thoreauputic> ari_: what happened then (after you did that) ?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> ari_: try this instead, and tell me what happens
[04:54] <ari_> nothing happens, sorry my english is bad because i'm finnish
[04:54] <membreya> thoreauputic: would you recommend doing an rsync daily to backup my system ?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> ari_: try   sudo synaptic from a terminal
[04:55] <membreya> formatting was kinda good for me .. I took my linux partition from 5gb to 20gb + 5gb home dir :P
[04:55] <thoreauputic> membreya: can't hurt I suppose
[04:55] <prahal> Riddell: a bugzilla number ?
[04:55] <kikiriki> Hi, i'm new in the "linux-world". i wounder if i can ask for support here?
[04:56] <ari_> ari is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[04:56] <ari_> damn
[04:56] <thoreauputic> ari_: hmmm
[04:56] <mishof> thoreauputic, regarding what u said about ctrl-alt-bspce killing the x server --- i know, but i'm saying, if the system still "lives" to kill the x server, why cant it terminate a program?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> ari_: this requires some tricky stuff
[04:57] <ari_> now it works
[04:57] <dbrodie> thoreauputic: how do you add a user to sudoers without a user in sudoers? :P
[04:57] <ari_> i changed to super user
[04:57] <Gussoh> eruin: ottd? =)
[04:57] <rod> Xebitx, thanks for the good search query (audigy), i got sound now  - you' re great :D
[04:57] <ari_> thanks!
[04:57] <DocUb> anyone sitting on a dead connection with ubuntulinux.org?
[04:57] <DocUb> or ubuntuforums
[04:57] <thoreauputic> mishof: you can do ctrl-alt-F1 or F2 and kill it with pkill or get the process ID
[04:57] <rod> DocUb, it was very slow to me, but it worked 1 minute ago.. had to wait 1 minute before the paged showed up
[04:57] <membreya> thoreauputic: only problem is, samba keeps asking for authentication :|
[04:57] <thoreauputic> ari_: you aren't supposed to *have* a superuser!
[04:58] <DocUb> yea, not sure what's it's doing, I'll sit until 10 mins to see what it does
[04:58] <thoreauputic> membreya: I use nfs, so i'm useless at samba
[04:58] <ari_> why?
[04:58] <membreya> nfs eh ....hmmm :P
[04:59] <thoreauputic> ari_: because ubuntu uses sudo by default
[04:59] <thoreauputic> ari_: so you have created a root user yourself
[04:59] <dbrodie> ari_: in ubuntu the superuser was removed in favor of sudo-ing. How did you get to the superuser?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> ari_ which is why you are having trouble
[04:59] <mastertet> Hello, is there a plan for a lite Ubuntu, maybe based on xfce4?
[05:00] <DocUb> rod: it has a 60 second ping time
[05:00] <mishof> thoreauputic, ah thats smart ! thanks :)
[05:00] <ari_> i wrote su in terminal
[05:00] <Anders1> i just used "sudo su -" then passwd, and now the root account works perfectly
[05:00] <thoreauputic> ari_: no, you must have vreated a root password - did you use the "expert" install?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> *created
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Anders1: that's different
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Anders1: and OK
[05:01] <DocUb> good deal, it just needed to be ping'd :)
[05:01] <ari_> hmm.. i don't remember
[05:01] <eruin> Gussoh: :D
[05:01] <thoreauputic> ari_:  ;/
[05:01] <Gussoh> eruin: was it in one hour or now? =)
[05:02] <eruin> 17
[05:02] <eruin> mojs is here on freenode
[05:02] <Gussoh> in one hour then
[05:02] <dbrodie> Can anybody help me with a little wifi? I have a card that is listed in the ubuntu wiki as working out of the box, I plug it in, and it looks and behaves like it should be working but it dosn't actually do anything.
[05:02] <eruin> I think his server went down ;)
[05:02] <ari_> my problem is that synaptic package manager won't start at system --> administration --> synaptics
[05:02] <ari_> it works fine from terminal
[05:02] <thoreauputic> ari_: as we Australians say, "You're on your own, mate"
[05:02] <dbrodie> ari_: as a superuser run visudo
[05:02] <ari_> sorry i don't understand.. :D
[05:03] <thoreauputic> ari_: never mind :)
[05:03] <bwlang> dbrodie: what is the output of iwconfig ?
[05:04] <ari_> i have another problem also: how can i change my resolution? graphic gard is GF 6600GT..
[05:04] <dbrodie> ari_: did you tun visudo from the superuser terminal
[05:04] <dbrodie> bwlang: here is the related parts:
[05:04] <dbrodie> eth1      IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"smcw1f1"
[05:04] <dbrodie>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.417 GHz  Access Point: 00:04:E2:7B:BE:1C
[05:04] <dbrodie>           Bit Rate:11 Mb/s
[05:04] <dbrodie>           Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[05:04] <dbrodie>           Encryption key:**********************   Security mode:restri
[05:05] <rhizod> Hmm... is the ubuntu website down?
[05:06] <sri> congrats on hoary folks (belated)
[05:06] <Tina_r> Anyone got the "ES1988 Allegro" soundchip to work?
[05:07] <rhizod> I'm thinking about taking the plunge and switch from Debian to Ubuntu. Is it possible to upgrade my debian install without reinstalling?
[05:07] <kennix> i am now connected through ndiswrapper! thanks
[05:08] <kaouete> rhizod: i dont think it's a good idea to do so
[05:08] <rhizod> kaouete, It just ends in a mess?
[05:08] <kaouete> i will not try but i think it will be something like that
[05:08] <kaouete> or maybe not
[05:08] <kaouete> wait for someone who know :)
[05:09] <rhizod> kaouete, have you seen any guide on this somewhere?
[05:09] <kaouete> no
[05:09] <kennix> why can't linux restart my box? exotic acpi?
[05:09] <rhizod> I did a quick search on the Ubuntu page, but didn't see anything.
[05:11] <mastertet> Someone knows how to solve my problem? When I plug my usb key in, it 2 icons appear on the desktop
[05:11] <theturner> mastertet: what are the labels of these icons?
[05:12] <mastertet> theturner: usbdisk and usbdisk-1
[05:12] <mastertet> I get 2 windows also
[05:13] <dbrodie> mastertet: maybe you have two partitions on it? (is that even possible?)
[05:13] <theturner> mastertet: and both have content?
[05:13] <theturner> mastertet: i would say so too, it is possible
[05:13] <EvilIdler> mastertet: fdisk the stick?
[05:13] <theturner> mastertet:
[05:13] <theturner> oops
[05:14] <mastertet> mmm, it was working before
[05:14] <theturner> mastertet: if you don't need the contents, just fdisk it
[05:14] <mastertet> /dev/sda1               1        1015      125829    b  W95 FAT32
[05:14] <theturner> mastertet: just make sure to choose fat32 as fs
[05:15] <theturner> mastertet: looks goof
[05:15] <mastertet> it looks like it mount sda and sda1, but of course, sda is empty
[05:17] <sig> Dr_Aevil: did you find anything out on that gnome-volume-manager issue ?
[05:17] <membreya> is there any way to add a user without setting a password?
[05:18] <dbrodie> what the heck? dhclient says it can't find an AP for my wifi but except for that works, heck it even shows up in proc, but the AP says no card is accessing it! And I know the router works because there are other wireless machines here working perfectly.
[05:18] <scotth> hey, I noticed breezy was branched in the archive today, but there are no packages files, any word on when it will be completely branched?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> membreya: are you serious?
[05:18] <membreya> thoreauputic: network user :)
[05:18] <invictus> why is it that when I do apt-get install linux-source-2.6.11, unpack it, make oldconfig, and make I get an error? shouldnt default ubuntukernel compile out-of-the-box?
[05:18] <bwlang> drbodie: sorry about the delay... i was distracted... your  iwconfig says that your card is associated...  did eth1 get an ip address? (check ifconfig eth1)
[05:18] <scotth> membreya, man adduser specifically the sections about creating system users
[05:19] <thoreauputic> scotth: when the developers sober up ;)
[05:19] <dbrodie> bwlang: no problem I am just very annoyed with my card. Nope, it didn't get an ip address
[05:20] <bwlang> dbrodie: do you have access to your dhcp server ?
[05:20] <dbrodie> bwlang: yeah, its the wifi router
[05:20] <scotth> thoreauputic, its been 4 days... that must have been a pretty bad party
[05:20] <Tanja> Hey guys! i have this wierd problem with totem, it says that i need plugins but i cant find them in Synaptics :( Any1 of you have a magic Solution? =)
[05:20] <azad> how to use an autopackage?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> scotth: heheh :)
[05:21] <bwlang> dbrodie: is there anything in the log on there?... do you see the dhcp client running on your laptop?
[05:21] <thoreauputic> azad: you just click on it :)
[05:21] <mastertet> is it working for you in hoary when you put a usb-key in, are you getting only one window open or two?
[05:21] <azad> then kwrite is opening
[05:21] <dbrodie> bwlang: you mean if my MAC address shows up in the router logs? no. Which is the maddening part...
[05:21] <thoreauputic> azad: ah... I see
[05:22] <thoreauputic> azad: ir thinks it's a text file
[05:22] <thoreauputic> *it
[05:22] <azad> i don't
[05:22] <bwlang> dbrodie: looking back at your iwconfig output i don't see any signal quality line... do yo uhave it?  and the encryption stuff ... try turning that off while you're testing.
[05:22] <azad> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim/gaim-1.2.1.x86.package?download <- it's this
[05:22] <thoreauputic> azad: well, the mime type is set by KDE
[05:23] <thoreauputic> azad: I know what it is, - KDE doesn't
[05:23] <dbrodie> bwlang: Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
[05:23] <dbrodie> bwlang: I can't, since the router isn't really mine.
[05:23] <azad> so.. how to change it? or won't it work with KDE?
[05:23] <bwlang> dbrodie: ah.. so you're not actually associated - i bet it's a key problem
[05:23] <thoreauputic> azad: you will have to run it from konsole I guess
[05:23] <bwlang> dbrodie: how did you enter the key?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> azad: have you made it executable?
[05:23] <dbrodie> bwlang: you mean wrong WEP key? Ill check.
[05:24] <azad> i don't know how to.. got no clue really :(
[05:24] <thoreauputic> azad: the web site has instructions
[05:24] <dbrodie> bwlang: I tried both from the command line and the gui:
[05:24] <dbrodie> iwconfig eth1 enc on
[05:24] <dbrodie> iwconfig eth1 key a0b1c2d3e4f509867a9c7de450
[05:25] <azad> hmm
[05:25] <azad> kay.. thanks
[05:25] <thoreauputic> azad: is it on the Desktop?
[05:25] <dbrodie> bwlang: nope its the right wep key
[05:26] <LISP> hello
[05:26] <LISP> i need some help with nautilus: can i get it not to open a new window for every dbl-click?
[05:26] <bwlang> dbrodie: uh. dude... don't put your wep key into irc ;) - but i  think that's your trouble - try another format... maybe you can get the guy who owns the router to help you debug - i'm pretty sure that is your trouble
[05:27] <dbrodie> bwlang: crap I forgot to erase it
[05:27] <epicenter_> If I want to edit video, I know I can use Kino, but how do I get Codecs for it to use?
[05:27] <epicenter_> as it stands it doesn't understand anything but uncompressed AVI, it seems
[05:27] <bwlang> LISP: use the "file manager" instead
[05:28] <bwlang> LISP: sorry "file browser"
[05:28] <dbrodie> bwlang: well thanks. I'll see what I can do, The key should work because there are other machines using the exact same key...
[05:28] <membreya> don't use WEP ? :P
[05:29] <membreya> just use MAC filtering on the router
[05:29] <epicenter> that's bypassable ..
[05:29] <epicenter> spoof your MAC
[05:29] <bwlang> dbrodie: wep is pretty worthless... and there are vendor subtlties to it... you're better off with some kind of vpn or wpa and wpa_supplicant
[05:29] <membreya> epicenter: and WEP's easy to sniff and crack
[05:29] <thully> I'm booted off the Ubuntu DVD right now - looks pretty good - I like the concept of having a combined install/live DVD
[05:30] <epicenter> membreya: It still takes many hours of sitting in one place. You can't drive up and crack it. solution, use WPA.
[05:30] <dbrodie> OK, I'll try reconfiguring it with wpa
[05:30] <membreya> epicenter: yes but with the amount of people with wireless and the range on them ;)
[05:31] <Xebitx> killx no such command
[05:31] <epicenter> Argh!! Kino can't open anything!
[05:31] <thully> I wonder why they didn't advertise this more... I'm also burning Kubuntu DVD - these, combined, will give me all of main+both live images(KDE/Gnome)
[05:31] <epicenter> I even installed libxvidcore4 and it still can't read my XViD files
[05:31] <membreya> there's a kubuntu DVD? :|
[05:32] <kuffu> can anyone help me install/set up plone?
[05:32] <membreya> thoreauputic: ....you know how I was downloading kubuntu this morning after I had to reinstall?
[05:32] <thully> yes - cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current, I believe
[05:32] <LISP> bwlang: file browser you say? right now i'm having a go at it
[05:32] <membreya> god..ta for that thully :)
[05:33] <thully> I have to go - bye
[05:34] <imperfect-> How current is kunbuntu?
[05:34] <imperfect-> is it hoarific?
[05:35] <Riddell> imperfect-: it's got KDE 3.4 and is part of hoary
[05:36] <imperfect-> Riddell: I thought it was a seperate deal
[05:39] <Riddell> imperfect-: it's a separate CD
[05:39] <LISP> is anyone using kde with ubuntu?
[05:39] <astro76> LISP: plenty in #kubuntu are ;)
[05:40] <imperfect-> Riddell: Can I install it from an installed ubuntu hoary installation and choose a session at will?
[05:41] <LISP> astro76: didn't know about #kubu, sorry
[05:41] <astro76> LISP: no worries, it's not off-topic here or anything, but they are the experts
[05:43] <thux> Hi, I used hoary beta-5 and beta-7 installers succesfully, but now stable release installer hangs to timezone and apt-setup?
[05:44] <Riddell> imperfect-: yes, see kubuntu.org/faq.php
[05:48] <LISP> i don't remember: rc.d is for disabling startup scripts?
[05:48] <nydust> any good html editor like golive for linux?
[05:49] <LISP> nydust: maybe vim
[05:49] <LISP> nydust: maybe not ;)
[05:49] <malte`> nydust, i don't know golive but bluefish is a good one if you use GNOME
[05:50] <epicenter_> What other DVD ripping programs are there aside from dvdrip, if any?
[05:50] <epicenter_> The interface and options in dvdrip are a bit lacking
[05:51] <Cred> Hello. I get "could not open resource for writing" with Rhythmbox, running Hoary with nForce2 and SB Live.
[05:54] <faithless> Hey channel, can anybody help me out? I'm trying to playback MP3 files (on Ubuntu 5.04), but I can't get it to work.
[05:55] <epicenter_> dvdrip is alright, but it'd be nice if I could pick segments to rip in time, not in frames, if the preview window worked at all, if it didn't report progress like 767%.
[05:56] <thisfred> epicenter_, there's mencoder, but I don't know if that's further along than dvdrip
[05:56] <hawke_> epicenter_: I'm a fan of dvdrip, but acidrip might be worth a look as well.
[05:56] <epicenter_> Are mencoder or acidrip in apt?
[05:56] <hawke_> epicenter_: error.  "in apt"?
[05:57] <hawke_> epicenter_: There are apt repositories available, if that's what you mean.
[05:57] <epicenter_> Yes.
[05:58] <hawke_> epicenter_: It's in the marillat repository.
[05:58] <epicenter_> I have that added
[05:58] <trygvebw-brb> Does anyone know how big CD-labels should be? I'm designing a CD-label but i don't know how many pixels it should be.
[05:58] <epicenter_> but when I enter it ..
[05:58] <epicenter_> it wants mplayer, I have it
[05:58] <epicenter_> It wants mencoder-586 or k6 which it says have no candidate
[05:58] <epicenter_> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:58] <epicenter_>   acidrip: Depends: mplayer
[05:58] <epicenter_>            Depends: mencoder
[05:58] <epicenter_> E: Broken packages
[05:59] <trygvebw-brb> sudo apt-get -f install ?
[05:59] <hawke_> Which repo are you using?
[05:59] <hawke_> I've found that mencoder is uninstallable from the unstable one.
[05:59] <epicenter_> I have marillat, universe, multiverse and normal
[05:59] <epicenter_> let me see if i Have unstable
[05:59] <hawke_> what do you get if you try manually to install mencoder
[05:59] <hawke_> actually...
[05:59] <hawke_> mencoder is in ubuntu
[06:00] <epicenter_> I can only pick a k6 or k7 one
[06:00] <epicenter_> I have a k8
[06:00] <epicenter_> I hope k7 is oK.
[06:00] <hawke_> epicenter: it is.
[06:00] <epicenter_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:00] <epicenter_>   mencoder-k7: Depends: mencoder-k6 but it is not going to be installed
[06:00] <epicenter_> E: Broken packages
[06:00] <epicenter_> what ............
[06:00] <hawke_> mencoder-k7 is a dummy package
[06:00] <epicenter_> oh.
[06:00] <hawke_> mencoder-k6 is the "real thing"
[06:01] <meff> though, thats not the prob.. try doing apt-cache policy mencoder-k6 and see where its coming from
[06:01] <epicenter_> mencoder-k6 wants libfontconfig1 and libvorbis0a
[06:01] <epicenter_> I have both!
[06:01] <epicenter_>        500 ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages
[06:02] <nydust> how can i change the mysql  password?
[06:02] <hawke_> epicenter: double-check which version of mencoder you're trying to unstall...the marillat wants a newer version of those packages than is in ubuntu(hoary even)
[06:02] <meff> i solved probs with marillat by pinning it to 300 (default pin is 500 for ubuntu repos)
[06:02] <hawke_> unstall->install
[06:02] <meff> hawke_: the policy shows its preferring marillat, he needs to pin marillat at 300
[06:03] <meff> epicenter_: can i msg you a fix?
[06:03] <hawke_> meff: yes, I understand what's going on.  He could also explicitly choose to install from hoary.
[06:03] <epicenter_> I don't know what version
[06:03] <epicenter_> is there a downside to using hoary?
[06:04] <hawke_> meff: i.e. "sudo apt-get install mencoder-586/hoary"
[06:04] <hawke_> epicenter_: Nope.
[06:04] <meff> epicenter_: which marillat repos are you using on hoary?
[06:04] <meff> epicenter_: unstable or testing?
[06:04] <epicenter_> E: Release 'hoary' for 'mencoder-586' was not found
[06:04] <epicenter_> unstable
[06:04] <meff> epicenter_: change it to testing, then it'll work
[06:05] <epicenter_> hmm
[06:05] <meff> at least in my case.. i have testing in my sources and i pin it at 300 so its below the ubuntu repositories
[06:05] <epicenter_> same error doing apt-get install mencoder-k6
[06:05] <epicenter_>   mencoder-k6: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[06:05] <epicenter_>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[06:05] <epicenter_> E: Broken packages
[06:06] <meff> did you apt-get update?
[06:06] <epicenter_>    yes
[06:06] <epicenter_> I did get:
[06:06] <epicenter_> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[06:06] <epicenter_> I doubt it is fatal
[06:06] <deepsight> so marillat things are not signed? tries the things in the forum
[06:06] <meff> thats ok you can ignore that.. heh
[06:06] <deepsight> tries/tried
[06:06] <meff> they are you jsut have to add it manually deepsight
[06:06] <hawke_> deepsight: "apt-key add" needs to be used.
[06:07] <lamont> epicenter: any reason to pull mplayer from marillat instead of archive.ubuntu.com?
[06:07] <deepsight> so, i did it, maybe ill do it again
[06:07] <deepsight> i followed ubuntuguide.org instructions
[06:07] <deepsight> are they outdated?
[06:07] <hawke_> deepsight: not sure, depends on which instructions.
[06:08] <deepsight> adding extra repositories or something like that. when i use the update-manager it lists marillat
[06:08] <deepsight> so... ill try again
[06:08] <nydust> how do i stop mysql server?
[06:09] <deepsight> gpg --export 1f41B907 > /etc/apt/marillat.key
[06:09] <deepsight> bash: /etc/apt/marillat.key: Permission denied
[06:09] <hawke_> nydust: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[06:09] <deepsight> maybe something its using it...
[06:09] <hawke_> deepsight: you don't have permissions to write there.
[06:10] <hawke_> deepsight: export it to a file in a place that you can write to.
[06:10] <deepsight> even with sudo...
[06:10] <hawke_> deepsight: yeah, redirection uses your permissions
[06:11] <hawke_> deepsight: it's taking the output from sudo and redirecting it, not the output from your sudo'd command.
[06:11] <hawke_> (if that makes any sense)
[06:11] <deepsight> kindof
[06:11] <deepsight> so i put it in my home dir
[06:11] <hawke_> you need to write the file and then 'sudo apt-key add filename'
[06:12] <hawke_> and if you want to keep a copy in /etc/apt, copy the file over to /etc/apt after you've exported it.
[06:12] <deepsight> ok done
[06:12] <desrt> gpg --export 1f41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[06:12] <LISP>  i know it sounds silly, but removing the non-debian marked gnome package will result in the whole gnome desktop being removed?
[06:12] <LISP>  or is it just a dummy package?
[06:13] <LISP> and what about the ubuntu packages? base & co ?
[06:13] <desrt> LISP; it's a dummy package but it might prevent you from getting further updates if you remove it
[06:13] <desrt> that being said, if you're in hoary, it seems unlikely that anything will be added/removed at this point
[06:14] <sig> gnome-volume-manager is broke in hoary
[06:14] <desrt> sig; ?
[06:14] <deepsight> hawke, sooo i think it worked, thanks
[06:14] <sig> automount media
[06:14] <LISP> but it's not marked ubu in synaptic
[06:15] <libben> can u do /exec -o sudo and a command? cause it stalls on me when i try... it only works with no sudo commands?
[06:16] <hawke_> libben: correct...unless you're within the "no-password" time
[06:17] <RuffianSoldier> how is Hoary everyone?
[06:17] <CarlK> awesome.
[06:17] <CarlK> where does /usr/sbin/ddcprobe come from?  interested in the source, or help, or anything about it
[06:17] <RuffianSoldier> whats new with the final release of hoary?
[06:18] <libben> hawke, whats that? no-password. u mean if i allways are root?
[06:19] <hawke_> libben: I mean how sudo doesn't ask for a password within an amount of time (5 min?) after you entered your password previously.
[06:20] <sladen> hawke_: do  sudo -k  to cancel the auth and time it out immediately
[06:20] <borner> does anyone have some experience with printing over lan ?
[06:20] <libben> hawke, how can u change the time?
[06:21] <libben> well.. let me Man first=)
[06:21] <libben> then ill ask again
[06:21] <DocUb> I'm in a main window for the boot, can someone tell me what the package name is for X so I can reinstall it?
[06:21] <fissy> libben date
[06:22] <libben> fissy, for the sudo time =) not regular time
[06:22] <DocUb> anyone here know the package name of X in Synaptic so I can reinstall it?
[06:22] <DocUb> i'm in a black screen terminal on boot without X installed
[06:22] <libben> DocUb,  type dpkg -l | grep synapti
[06:22] <libben> and u will see the name
[06:22] <libben> then u do apt-get install the name
[06:22] <SpamHog> In 5.04, what are the pros and cons of the THREE kernels one can install?  Been looking for info, found none...
[06:23] <hawke_> DocUb: xserver-xorg
[06:23] <DocUb> thnx libben
[06:23] <DocUb> :-D
[06:23] <DocUb> brb
[06:23] <hawke_> DocUb: unless running "X" in a console works, in which case you should install gdm
[06:23] <libben> hawke, im lost with this sudo time thing... mind telling me?
[06:24] <hawke_> libben: I don't think you can change it.
[06:24] <post> hi there
[06:24] <epicenter_> yo
[06:24] <libben> ooh
[06:24] <hawke_> libben: oh wait you can
[06:24] <hawke_> libben: it's something with /etc/sudoers...
[06:24] <libben> hawke, would it work if i would open up a console and type sudo -s ?
[06:24] <libben> and being logged in that way
[06:25] <libben> and then type the exec -sudo in here?
[06:25] <hawke_> libben: probably not
[06:25] <libben> nope =) just tryed it
[06:25] <post> being a full noob of ubuntu and hading some littles experience with linux in general, im requiring your help ;-)
[06:25] <goldfish> heh
[06:26] <libben> post, just ask =) we're all friendly in here.. and well probly help u if we can =)
[06:26] <libben> soo shoot
[06:26] <hawke_> libben: read 'man sudoers'
[06:26] <hawke_> libben: search for timeout
[06:26] <libben> ok
[06:26] <post> nice ;-)
[06:26] <libben> man sudoers | grep time =)
[06:26] <SpamHog> In 5.04/i386 I see 3 kernels to choose from: linux-386 vs linux-inage-386 vs linux-image-2.6.10-5-386... Is there any explanation on how they differ?
[06:26] <post> do you know if packages for debian are compatibles with ubuntu?
[06:27] <hawke_> post: generally, yes.
[06:27] <libben> post, why not?
[06:27] <libben> ubuntu builds on debian
[06:27] <post> ok
[06:27] <post> and wich version?
[06:27] <libben> its build from?
[06:27] <post> i mean sid, woody or sarge?
[06:27] <libben> yeah... think its sid
[06:27] <libben> if not mistaking
[06:27] <libben> correct me if im wrong
[06:27] <post> ;-)
[06:27] <hawke_> post: sarge or sid, for the most part.
[06:28] <post> ok
[06:28] <ogra> SpamHog, linux-386 is the meatpackage, it depends on the ones with longer names, so if xou got linux-x86 installed your kernel updates work automatically
[06:28] <cikilin> my moziila is working like shit
[06:28] <cikilin> why?
[06:28] <post> and what is the text i have to put on my ressource list?
[06:28] <ogra> SpamHog, s/meat/meta
[06:28] <post> because, it doesn't work till now :-(
[06:29] <post> i mean to get an access to the debian pacakges server?
[06:29] <ogra> post, they are only source compatible
[06:29] <goldfish> post: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:29] <ogra> post, you shouldnt mix ubuntu weith debian
[06:29] <goldfish> eh
[06:29] <goldfish> lol
[06:29] <goldfish> ignore that
[06:29] <queuetue> I use a dual-headed, non-xinerama setup, and head 2 (or head 1, depending if you like the fenceposts of the space between them) display a panel, but does nto display notification icons, even though I have added a notification area...  Does anyone know why this might be?
[06:29] <ogra> post, it will break a lot and is not supported
[06:29] <cikilin> why mozilla is not working fast like before?
[06:30] <Choubaka> who knows :p
[06:30] <post> oh
[06:30] <post> really?
[06:30] <Choubaka> what did you do?
[06:30] <SpamHog> ogra: thank you...  but any idea why the others are included???
[06:30] <goldfish> cikilin: have you turned off the ipv6 thingy?
[06:30] <SpamHog> (am at install right now....)
[06:30] <hawke_> ogra: actually, a lot of it is binary-compatible too.
[06:30] <cikilin> i dont know much
[06:30] <Choubaka> hawke_: But it's still not sane
[06:30] <cikilin> how i check if...?
[06:30] <goldfish> cikilin: www.ubuntuguide.org <- it's in tricks section
[06:30] <Choubaka> as universe has ~everything sid has.
[06:31] <ogra> hawke, but not dependency compatible....which will break your system
[06:31] <hawke_> ogra: I agree that mixing should be kept to a minimum, but one package here and there isn't going to destroy anything.
[06:31] <SpamHog> ogra: meatpackage is a cool concept as well tho :)
[06:31] <pont> SpamHog, your just all about meat
[06:31] <ogra> SpamHog, you could also only install the image package, we dont force people to take the comfortable way ;)
[06:31] <carthik> SpamHog, linux-386 is a metapackage that includes a linux-image, which includes /uses the specific long-name kernel image package
[06:31] <LISP> i've just recently installed hoarty...
[06:32] <SpamHog> :)
[06:32] <cilkay> Is there some trick to creating a home directory in Ubuntu when a new user is added? I did: useradd -u 503 -s /bin/bash -d /home/theUser theUser and the home dir does not seem to be created, though I can change the user's passwd.
[06:32] <LISP> and x seems to be acting out, i keep getting noise when i move a window
[06:32] <hypno> cilkay use adduser
[06:32] <SpamHog> OK, ok, I'll take the metahandholding   tnx*10^6
[06:32] <cilkay> hypno, thanks
[06:33] <ogra> hawke_, every python related package in debian will likely break if used in ubuntu....(ubuntu doesnt use python2.3 anymore) same for X related packages....etc
[06:34] <ogra> SpamHog, you should also note that i386 is a very generic kernel.....its likely that i686 fits better for you
[06:34] <SpamHog> ogra: cept, you are not given the option....
[06:34] <pont> ubuntu-desktop requires wvdiler why
[06:34] <DocUb> >:-O!!
[06:34] <ogra> SpamHog, linux-686 should be available in synaptic...
[06:35] <SpamHog> orga: OK, so not at install time...  beginning 2c the light
[06:35] <Elyseum> how do i manually let ubuntu check for my printer?
[06:35] <hawke_> ogra: agree.  "core" packages and/or libraries are a bad idea to mix.  But I think that in *most* cases applications (the simpler the better) will be fine.  Certainly I haven't had any problems pulling in e.g. the new version of xscreensaver from debian.
[06:35] <DocUb> I installed a package that is keeping X from working
[06:36] <DocUb> but the package display manager is not listing any names for X
[06:36] <DocUb> So now I am not able to install X because I don't know the package name
[06:36] <ogra> hawke, you pulled the xscreensaver form debian :-O
[06:36] <hawke_> DocUb: xserver-xorg on hoary, xserver-xfree86 on warty.
[06:36] <hawke_> ogra: why is that?
[06:36] <DocUb> thnx hawke :-)
[06:37] <Skid> hi, are the forums down for anyone else?
[06:37] <ogra> hawke, i was the guy who patched in the new lock dialog...
[06:37] <ogra> hawke, so i'm a little sad you dont like my work ;)
[06:37] <hawke_> ogra: the ubuntu graphics you mean?
[06:37] <ogra> yep
[06:38] <hawke_> ogra: Actually, I love that dialog to tell you the truth
[06:38] <Dr_Aevil> sig: yeah...somewhat disturbing in fact.  Can you test something for me? Make sure your camera isn't connected.  Type killall -15 gnome-volume-manager. Then type gnome-volume-manager 2>&1 .  Then plug in your camera and see what it says.
[06:38] <post> annother question
[06:38] <ogra> hawke, dont worry, i'm just kidding...
[06:38] <hawke_> ogra: but I wanted the new screen hacks and the "new session" button. :-
[06:38] <hawke_> )
[06:38] <sig> Dr_Aevil: ok hold on
[06:38] <post> do you know if it's possible to install KDE with ubuntu
[06:38] <post> ?
[06:38] <ogra> hawke, we'll improve it a lot for breezy...
[06:38] <\sh> post: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <carthik> post, yeah, there is a distro called kubuntu...
[06:38] <ogra> \sh, heh, eaten me
[06:38] <ogra> beaten even
[06:38] <whiteknight> me too
[06:39] <libben> hawke, just reading along man sudoers,... and im in my folder /var/run/sudo/libben/0
[06:39] <libben> 0 is a file
[06:39] <\sh> ogra: i'm fast and I'm furious ;)
[06:39] <whiteknight> so is 777
[06:39] <hawke_> libben: what are you trying to do?
[06:39] <thomas> does anyone know how to make nautilus (by example) always start maximized ?
[06:39] <libben> change the time? =?)
[06:39] <libben> just rename file and i got new time?
[06:40] <ogra> libben, yeah
[06:40] <ogra> libben, but you could also touch it
[06:40] <ogra> libben, touch /path/to/file
[06:40] <libben> what does that mean?
[06:40] <sig> Dr_Aevil: http://pastebin.com/270466
[06:40] <libben> temp change?
[06:41] <ogra> libben, the command touch changes the access time of a file
[06:41] <hawke_> libben: I believe you need to run visudo and add 'Parameter ::= timestamp_timeout '=' minutes'
[06:41] <libben> yeah.,.. i was looking at that to
[06:41] <hawke_> libben: sudo -v will extend the timeout...by 15 min. default.
[06:41] <Dr_Aevil> sig: that's a bit different to what I was getting, but there def. seems to be a bug somewhere.  I was actually getting a "mount" command error!
[06:41] <sig> hmm
[06:42] <sig> I see another guy put something on ubuntuforums
[06:42] <JraNil> heya 1one here. I need to setup and run a cache server for 6:00 AM tomorrow, and I want to test this new distro now, any suggestion here?
[06:42] <sig> Dr_Aevil: regardless they need to fix the package and put it as an update
[06:43] <hypno> JraNil apt-get install squid ?
[06:43] <JraNil> ok, i know man, i wanna know any body have test it on Ubuntu or not
[06:44] <pont> How do i install IBM JAVA virtual Machine
[06:44] <libben> hmm... im failing =)
[06:44] <ogra> JraNil, all packages in main have been tested extensively
[06:44] <ogra> JraNil, (squid is in main)
[06:44] <libben> i just wanna be able to /exec -o hddtemp /dev/hdb
[06:45] <JraNil> orga, d u know is there Dansgardian or not to?
[06:45] <hawke_> libben: you could add yourself to the group 'disk'
[06:46] <hawke_> libben: that would be a security problem though, you'd be able to e.g. zero-write your disks accidently.
[06:46] <ogra> JraNil, yep, thats in universe
[06:46] <JraNil> umm, it seems all mail package is here http://ubuntuguide.org/dpkg.list
[06:46] <ogra> JraNil, apt-cache show dansguardian
[06:46] <JraNil> *main
[06:47] <MrPoke> pont: take a peek at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IBMJava it worked for me
[06:47] <libben> hawke u mean i could type wrong command for say like fdisk -and-fuck-it-up ?
[06:47] <pont> MrPoke, Your my hero
[06:47] <hawke_> libben: exactly.
[06:47] <rhizod> I have a question: does Ubuntu include all of the more excotic packages that Debian offer?
[06:47] <hawke_> libben: you could also add to /etc/sudoers:   libben root = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/hddtemp
[06:47] <libben> hawke, can i create a script? that i can /exec -o to? and script does a sudo with password and voila?
[06:48] <ogra> rhizod, debain ~ 15000 pkgs, ubuntu ~16000 pkgs, judge yourself ;)
[06:48] <MxBen9> mee to ! how can I install a winmodem called "HSP 56 micromodem" I can't find any packages
[06:48] <hawke_> libben: the above-suggested method seems the best to me.
[06:48] <ogra> MxBen9, look at the BinaryDirverHowto on the wiki
[06:48] <rhizod> ogra, he he, okay; I can do the math; but sure, I know Ubuntu provides some things debian don't (thats why I am intrested)
[06:48] <MxBen9> or some "free" conexant drivers...
[06:48] <thomas> rhizod : but you have to remove comments before the unsuported sources
[06:49] <libben> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL this is all in my sudoers file in etc
[06:49] <ogra> rhizod, a lot of apt-get.org packages are included, hula is there etc....
[06:49] <libben> and %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:49] <pont> hmm i cant find libjavaplugin.so
[06:49] <post> ogra: 16000??? there are not all entered in the list by defaukt? are they?
[06:49] <ogra> rhizod, all in universe/multiverse
[06:49] <ogra> post, about 16000
[06:49] <hawke_> libben: yep...
[06:49] <hawke_> libben: add the line above.
[06:49] <libben> hawke, so i just type in that line u said? in the file?
[06:49] <libben> with nano
[06:50] <hawke_> libben: assuming your user account is libben
[06:50] <ogra> post, in main/restricted/universe/multiverse together
[06:50] <libben> yeah
[06:50] <libben> =)
[06:50] <libben> ofcuz
[06:50] <hawke_> libben: use 'VISUAL=nano visudo'
[06:50] <rhizod> thomas, ogra, does the 16000 include like "ported" Debian packages, or are they Ubuntu tailored?
[06:50] <hawke_> libben: to make sure that you don't make a syntax-error that stops you from using sudo after you save the file. :-D
[06:50] <post> ogra: i test this
[06:50] <ulisse> Hi channel, I need help with ssh -X
[06:50] <imperfect-> what's the difference between universea nd multiverse?
[06:50] <libben> hmm
[06:50] <ogra> rhizod, the majority are rebuild debian packages
[06:50] <libben> no i lost u
[06:50] <libben> now i lost u
[06:51] <ogra> rhizod, rebuilt to match the ubuntu dependencys
[06:51] <rhizod> so basically, I should be able to find all stange packages I use right now if I swap to Ubuntu?
[06:51] <ogra> rhizod, say some names ;)
[06:51] <ulisse> someone can help me with "ssh -X" ?
[06:51] <rhizod> pari-gp
[06:51] <JraNil> thanks ogra, =;
[06:51] <hypno> has anyone here gotten Tomboy working on hoary?
[06:51] <MrPoke> ulisse: what is the problem with ssh -X?
[06:51] <resmo_> hi
[06:51] <ogra> rhizod, pari-gp - PARI/GP Computer Algebra System binaries
[06:52] <ogra> :)
[06:52] <Dr_Aevil> sig: here's my output https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9096
[06:52] <rhizod> ogra, great, how about kerberos4kth-clients
[06:52] <thomas> rhizod, you have to modify the file /etc/apt/sources.list to get all the packages
[06:52] <ulisse> MrPoke, I need to run an app from another pc, I think that ssh -X could be the way, but I get no connection with x
[06:52] <ogra> rhizod, kerberos4kth-clients - Clients for Kerberos4 From KTH
[06:52] <ogra> kerberos4kth-clients-x - X11 files for Kerberos4 From KTH
[06:52] <ogra> :)
[06:52] <MrPoke> ulisse: what does it say when you try and run the application?
[06:52] <rhizod> thomas, sure, okay, I know how to do that.
[06:53] <ells> my system checked itself after 30 times, found 5% noncontiguous or whatever and failed. It works, do I need to be overly concerned and if so, how can one fix it
[06:53] <rhizod> ogra, thanks!, if Ubunta has that package there are great hope :)
[06:53] <ulisse> MrPoke, wait just a second, I retry...
[06:54] <ulisse> MrPoke, X connection rejected because of wrong authentication
[06:54] <rhizod> ogra, do you know if these packages are continuisly rebuilt from the Debian packages, or if they are sort of "stuck" on one version?
[06:54] <ulisse> MrPoke, but if I try the reverse, from B machine to A, it works
[06:55] <MrPoke> ulisse: hmmm what does 'set | grep DISPLAY' give you?
[06:55] <ogra> rhizod, they are stable for 6 months until the next release updates them...
[06:55] <ogra> rhizod, if you look for moving targets, you need to use the development branch....
[06:55] <ulisse> MrPoke, on my machine: DISPLAY=:0.0
[06:56] <ogra> rhizod, ...the stable brach only recieves updates for serious bugs or security flaws
[06:56] <ells> my system checked itself after 30 times, found 5% noncontiguous or whatever and failed. It works, do I need to be overly concerned and if so, how can one fix it
[06:56] <ulisse> the same on the other, MrPoke
[06:56] <ogra> rhizod, ...for 18 months
[06:56] <rhizod> ogra, well, I kind of afraid that if I swap now and install, say, pari-gp; it will never be updated despite Debian unstable updating their package every other month...
[06:56] <MrPoke> ulisse: I wanted on the remote maching, that you are ssh -X ing into
[06:56] <ulisse> MrPoke, the same thing
[06:57] <ogra> rhizod, you will have to live with a 6 month cycle....
[06:57] <rhizod> ogra, but the development branch is not that bad, is it?
[06:57] <carthik> ogra, is evonotify inactive - cant find it in your repo anymore...
[06:57] <Shufla> hello :);)
[06:57] <MrPoke> ulisse: is the other system running X?
[06:57] <post> ogra: holy s***t ;-) very impressive thank you very much
[06:57] <ogra> rhizod, we make a bunch of transitions everytime the development starts...
[06:57] <carthik> ogra, my bad... sorry...rtfm-ed just now...
[06:57] <ogra> carthik, :)
[06:57] <ulisse> MrPoke, sure! Local is Hoary, remote is Warty
[06:58] <ogra> carthik, the current evonotify has a bug that prevents it to work with gnoem 2.10, i'll upload a new tgz before weekend...
[06:58] <MrPoke> ulisse: I don't think it is doing the port mapping correct
[06:58] <rhizod> ogra, so are you saying the development branch of Ubuntu is much less reliable than, say, Debian unstable?
[06:58] <gingermark> hey, trying to install a program called Celtx (script formatting software), which interacts with firefox. Have to launch the line " /path/to/firefox -chrome chrome://celtx/content/" - how does this translate in the Ubuntu launcher?
[06:59] <MrPoke> ulisse: It is trying to send the X command to the local X server not the remote i think
[06:59] <ogra> rhizod, in the first 2 or three months, yes
[06:59] <rhizod> ogra, I see, that was good to know
[06:59] <Choubaka> I like not having to upgrade all the time.
[06:59] <ulisse> MrPoke, if I open a normal ssh session and then export DISPLAY=:0.0, it works from hoary to warty but not the other way
[06:59] <MrPoke> ulisse: I would expect that DISPLAY=localhost:10.0 or some other number then 10
[06:59] <ogra> rhizod, i.e. for hoary we transitioned to: py2.4, xorg and ripped out all strings into language packages....
[07:00] <Choubaka> Though I still wish XFCE4 were in main!
[07:00] <rhizod> ogra, sure, I can very well understand why it is so
[07:00] <\sh> ogra: hdparm is started automatically via boottime or must it be in the rc2.d runlevel?
[07:00] <Choubaka> Hmm
[07:00] <ogra> rhizod, it looks like we'll transition breezy completely to gcc4
[07:00] <MrPoke> ulisse: I wonder if thay tightened the xauth
[07:00] <carthik> ogra, thank you. I'll wait, then
[07:00] <ogra> \sh, its automaticallythere
[07:00] <Choubaka> ogra: w00t?
[07:00] <\sh> ok
[07:00] <Choubaka> like, all packages compiled with gcc 4?
[07:00] <ulisse> MrPoke, if I run set from local in remote machine, I get exactly DISPLAY=localhost:10.0
[07:00] <Shufla> sweet :) after long time i've got hoary dvds for amd64 and i386 :D
[07:00] <rhizod> ogra, still, can you pull in packages into your stable version from the development branch if you like to?
[07:01] <Choubaka> yes.
[07:01] <ogra> rhizod, not supported, but you probably could...
[07:01] <Choubaka> Just be prepared to do some apt-pinning!
[07:01] <MrPoke> ulisse: ahh ok to it is sending x to display 10
[07:01] <Choubaka> man apt_preferences :)
[07:01] <MrPoke> ulisse: I bet there is an xhost problem then...
[07:01] <ogra> Choubaka, whats wrong with xfce4 in universe ?
[07:01] <Choubaka> ogra: nothing.
[07:01] <ulisse> MrPoke, on local machine or on remote?
[07:02] <Choubaka> It just should be in main because main is leet.
[07:02] <rhizod> ogra, Choubaka, I see, of course not "supported", and I can anticipate problems with libc and friends...
[07:02] <ogra> Choubaka, its the newest and greatest we could get ;)
[07:02] <MrPoke> ulisse: on the local
[07:02] <Choubaka> and XFCE4.2 is the best ever.
[07:02] <MrPoke> ulisse: on you local system trying running xhost
[07:02] <Choubaka> I'm a complete convers.
[07:02] <Choubaka> convert*
[07:02] <MrPoke> ulisse: it should list what IPs can connect
[07:02] <filip_> does ubuntu have an program like dc++?
[07:02] <filip_> or dc
[07:02] <ells> my system checked itself after 30 times, found 5% noncontiguous or whatever and failed. It works, do I need to be overly concerned and if so, how can one fix it
[07:02] <ulisse> MrPoke, access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect
[07:03] <rhizod> ogra, well, thanks a lot for the info. I will have to think about this for some time. I truly like to follow the moving target of Debian unstable...
[07:03] <MrPoke> ulisse: try 'xhost +127.0.0.1'
[07:03] <carthik> Choubaka, though I have noticed here that if I stay logged in to XFCE 4.2 for more than 2days, things get sluggish....
[07:04] <ogra> rhizod, 6 months are not vey long....
[07:04] <ogra> very
[07:04] <ulisse> MrPoke, 127.0.0.1 being added to access control list
[07:04] <Choubaka> carthik: Well, that sounds like a memory leak.
[07:04] <rhizod> ogra, 6 month are *forever* when you need a new feautre in say, you math calculator, for your research work...
[07:04] <MrPoke> ulisse: nt give the ssh -X a shot again
[07:04] <filip_> does ubuntu have dc??
[07:04] <ogra> rhizod, so complie from the debian source package ;)
[07:05] <ulisse> MrPoke, same thing
[07:05] <ogra> compile
[07:05] <Choubaka> rhizod: you may want to learn how to use apt-build
[07:05] <MrPoke> ulisse: hmmm
[07:05] <ulisse> MrPoke, should I try to add the other machine's IP?
[07:05] <borner> how do i enable root in ubuntu, i need it for my printer, it asks for root administrator etc..
[07:05] <libben> how can i reload the sudoers file?
[07:05] <libben> sudo borner
[07:05] <borner> no,
[07:05] <MrPoke> ulisse: you can, it will not hurt anything
[07:05] <\sh> borner: sudo passwd
[07:05] <borner> it asks for root password.
[07:05] <borner> will sudo passwd make root enabled?
[07:05] <rhizod> ogra, Choubaka, sure, that is a good idea. Still, I'm trying to convince myself to switch; but it is very convinient with the precompiled packages...
[07:05] <\sh> borner: cups?
[07:06] <borner> nope.
[07:06] <borner> well, too.
[07:06] <tritium> borner, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:06] <carthik> borner, that will prompt you to set the root users password...
[07:06] <borner> its xerox phaser 3116 over the net
[07:06] <linuxboy> I upgraded to hoary, and ran update-notifier (according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/) but nothing loads/happens....
[07:06] <MrPoke> ulisse: give me a monent, I am looking at some ssh docs
[07:06] <ogra> linuxboy, there are no updates ;)
[07:06] <tritium> linuxboy, there are not any updates for Hoary yet
[07:07] <rhizod> ogra, still, as I said, I can really se how the *working* desktop environment of Ubuntu would save me time :)
[07:07] <linuxboy> ogra, tritium will it only appear when there are updates? cause i cant see anything loaded...
[07:07] <tritium> linuxboy, yes.
[07:07] <linuxboy> thomas: aaah. thanx. i thought i would see an icon or something for it
[07:08] <gingermark> hey, trying to install a program called Celtx (script formatting software), which interacts with firefox. Have to launch the line " /path/to/firefox -chrome chrome://celtx/content/" - how does this translate in the Ubuntu launcher?
[07:08] <tritium> linuxboy, "ps ax | grep update" should show that it is in fact running
[07:08] <ulisse> MrPoke, now I get "/usr/bin/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/username/.Xauthority
[07:08] <linuxboy> tritium: yip, thanx
[07:08] <tritium> np
[07:08] <rhizod> ogra, but I will absolutley start push Ubuntu for my regular desktop users here.
[07:09] <ogra> YEAH
[07:09] <ogra> :-D
[07:09] <MrPoke> ulisse: hmmm
[07:09] <MrPoke> ulisse: I wonder if that file is messed up
[07:09] <vassie> hello, i am running 5.04 live cd, how do i get to my c:\ & d:\ drives?
[07:10] <djp> anyone know if it is possible to use totem-gstreamer with mozplugger to listen to shoutcast streams? i have checked out the forums but that only seems to have answers that use totem-xine which i do not want to use.
[07:10] <MrPoke> ulisse: lets try this...
[07:10] <MrPoke> ulisse: 'ssh -v -X host.name xterm'  xterm could be any simple x app
[07:10] <frank> Wow there is experimental support for Direct3D (DX8 only) in VMWare 5 and it works on top of linux
[07:11] <MrPoke> ulisse: in verbose mode we might get some better debugging output
[07:11] <luap> anyone tried to get evolution working with exchange
[07:11] <rhizod> Well, anyway, thanks for the help and info. And ogra; you have a truly impressive mulitasking ability in irc :)
[07:11] <ogra> rhizod, thanks :)
[07:12] <MrPoke> ulisse: use http://rafb.net/paste/ to put the output then send me the url
[07:13] <ulisse> MrPoke, Ok, just a minute
[07:13] <filip_> how can i do to run dc in ubuntu?
[07:13] <MrPoke> ulisse: no rush
[07:13] <Choubaka> filip_: hm.
[07:13] <Choubaka> have you searched for packages?
[07:14] <filip_> noo..how to do?
[07:14] <Choubaka> filip_: you can use synaptic for that.
[07:14] <Choubaka> or apt-cache search on command line
[07:15] <filip_> i have use synaptic..
[07:15] <filip_> doesent find any dc in the list?
[07:15] <Choubaka> dcgui and dcgui-qt seem to be alternatives.
[07:15] <ulisse> MrPoke, http://rafb.net/paste/results/NvqZmk51.html
[07:15] <filip_> how can i install them?
[07:16] <Choubaka> filip_: use synaptic :p
[07:16] <filip_> ok..
[07:16] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[07:16] <AlfonsVH> hi, I've got a problem with Ubuntu on my Compaq deskpro EP/SB series computer
[07:17] <filip_> in what category can i find them ?
[07:17] <AlfonsVH> the installation works fine, but when I reboot and the X-server should start up, all I see is a black screen!
[07:17] <ulisse> MrPoke, VERY SORRY! I forgot the username!
[07:17] <MrPoke> np
[07:17] <AlfonsVH> is the compaq-thing a known problem?
[07:18] <matthias> wanna see a new wallpapaper?
[07:18] <matthias> anyone here..
[07:19] <epicenter_> yo
[07:19] <epicenter_> yeah, why not
[07:19] <matthias> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22981
[07:19] <ulisse> MrPoke, http://rafb.net/paste/results/v25RWU59.html
[07:19] <matthias> here you go
[07:19] <epicenter_> uh
[07:19] <epicenter_> that's a long list of output from some program
[07:19] <epicenter_> not wallpaper
[07:19] <Servo888> Hello - your installer lies, you need more than 24mb to install ubuntu.
[07:20] <epicenter_> Servo888: I am sure it meant server mode
[07:20] <epicenter_> KDE alone is >24 mb
[07:20] <matthias> no epicenter look up
[07:20] <matthias> scroll plz
[07:20] <ulisse> epicenter_, You want a wallpaper? http://ulipo.altervista.org/ubuntu
[07:20] <MrPoke> ulisse: /usr/bin/X11/xauth:  /home/ulisse/.Xauthority not writable
[07:20] <MrPoke> ulisse: wonder why that is
[07:20] <Servo888> So I have a 120mhz, pentium, with 24mb of ram. It's a laptop. I want to install a base installation to it. But when doing either a server install or any install for that matter the kernel panics and the previous message says out of memory.
[07:20] <ulisse> MrPoke, should I chmod it?
[07:21] <epicenter_> I like
[07:21] <MrPoke> ulisse: yes I think so, being ssh is making mention of it
[07:21] <ulisse> MrPoke, it is -rw-------
[07:21] <MrPoke> ulisse: hmm well that is correct
[07:21] <the_CName> soir
[07:21] <CarlK> Servo888 - I was able to get it to install on a 24 meg box by enabeling swap 1/2 into the install
[07:21] <AlfonsVH> My computer is a Compaq Pentium III (Katmai) with 192MB RAM Deskpro EP/SB series. When ubuntu starts X-server, I can only see a black screen? How does it come?
[07:21] <crschmidt> I tried to install something that required the python2.4 package, but it refuses to install because it overwrites a file attached to python2.4-minimal. As a result, my apt now refuses to do anything useful: how can I force it to do something?
[07:21] <MrPoke> ulisse: do you own it?
[07:21] <matthias> thought st dark might be graet for the eyes
[07:21] <ulisse> MrPoke, no, root root
[07:22] <matthias> great
[07:22] <MrPoke> ulisse: that could be a problem
[07:22] <MrPoke> ulisse: I would expect it to be ulisse:ulisse
[07:22] <Servo888> Carlk, how would I enable swap? The harddrive is partitioned with I dont know what - and there is no way I can get the harddrive partitioned with swap.
[07:22] <ulisse> MrPoke, I could chown it, if necessary...
[07:22] <epicenter_> Alfons: Try changing drivers in your /etc/X11/xorg.cfg ("how come?" by the way)
[07:22] <CarlK> Servo888 - Alt-F2
[07:23] <MrPoke> ulisse: yes chown it, but you will need to be root
[07:23] <epicenter_> servo888, get my msg?
[07:24] <Servo888> CarlK, the kernel panics, so I can't get into the second console.
[07:24] <AlfonsVH> the installation works fine, but when I reboot and the X-server should start up, all I see is a black screen!
 MrPoke, VERY SORRY! I forgot the username!
[07:24] <AlfonsVH> sorry
[07:24] <AlfonsVH> mistake
[07:24] <Choubaka> Hm
[07:24] <AlfonsVH> does anyone here heard of the black-screen problem?
[07:25] <AlfonsVH> I mean if anyone HAS heard about it of course
[07:25] <epicenter_> AlfonsVH: no need to repeat yourself
[07:25] <epicenter_> what video carD?
[07:25] <Choubaka> Ubuntu... Or _any linux distro_ really needs a graphical new-user tutorial that details how things are done.
[07:25] <AlfonsVH> euhmmm... S3 Trio 64+
[07:25] <Choubaka> New users are hopelessly clueless. :|
[07:25] <Choubaka> Or well, many of the,
[07:25] <Servo888> Choubaka, yea but then to many people from the windows world would try to convert...
[07:25] <AlfonsVH> I know, nothing to do about it
[07:25] <epicenter_> AlfonsVH: open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and tell me what it says for: "Driver"
[07:25] <AlfonsVH> ok wait a minute
[07:26] <epicenter_> haha, Ubuntu calls my card "6600/6600 Ultra"
[07:26] <epicenter_> it's a 6600GT and there is no 6600 Ultra.
[07:26] <epicenter_> I pray Nvidia's driver didn't name it that :P
[07:26] <ulisse> MrPoke, http://rafb.net/paste/results/H3pWEj60.html
[07:26] <epicenter_> nVidia of all people should know their card names
[07:27] <CarlK> Servo888 - does the installer get past the drive partitioning step?
[07:27] <Kishu> hey... I kindof have a problem because I installed ubuntu, and now somehow I can
[07:27] <Kishu> oops
[07:27] <Kishu> 't boot windows anymore
[07:27] <elekrtolyytti> i have a multimedia keyboard, its nice because it works with xmms, but there are many buttons i want to use... how can i for example set them to run programs?
[07:27] <Kishu> there is no bootloader
[07:27] <epicenter_> :P
[07:27] <Kishu> how do I install one
[07:27] <Servo888> CarlK, it doesn't finish loading the kernel.
[07:27] <epicenter_> Kishu: try apt-get install grub ?
[07:28] <CarlK> Servo888 - the Installer kernel, or do you get the system isntalled and then when you reboot it panics?
[07:28] <Servo888> Carlk, the installer kernel.
[07:28] <ulisse> MrPoke, it works with root instead of ulisse. I've noticed there is another 2 Xauthority files, named Xauthority-l and -c...
[07:28] <ells> tritium: what is up Mike
[07:28] <CarlK> Servo888 - so you can't even boot the install CD?
[07:29] <ells> tritium: do I have something to show you
[07:29] <Servo888> CarlK, nope =-(
[07:29] <Kishu> epicenter: well it says it is already installed... so how can I configure it so I can also choose windows from the menu?
[07:29] <tritium> ells, hey :)  What is it?
[07:29] <ulisse> * there ARE, not IS, two files * (i have to improve my english)
[07:29] <elekrtolyytti> how can i use the multimedia keys of my keyboard in ubuntu (gnome)? they work nicely on kde..
[07:29] <AlfonsVH> epicenter_, driver says "s3"
[07:29] <MrPoke> ulisse: I am not sure what those do
[07:30] <CarlK> Servo888 - 24mb should be plenty for the kernel, so something else may be wrong
[07:30] <epicenter_> Sounds fine ....
[07:30] <epicenter_> AlfonsVH: change it to "vesa"
[07:30] <AlfonsVH> I thought so too
[07:30] <epicenter_> then startx
[07:30] <AlfonsVH> OK I'll try that
[07:30] <epicenter_> you won't have 2d acceleration but it should boot
[07:30] <ulisse> MrPoke, for this time, I'll ssh as root, then su to my user and then run the app... Thank you very much for the help!
[07:31] <filip_> i have try to install dcgui whit  sudo apt-get install dcgui but it cant find the package?
[07:31] <dr_willis> filip_,  perhaps you need to add the right repositories/sources
[07:31] <Kishu> epicenter_: how can I configure grub to activate at startup and let me boot windows? is there a graphical app that I can use to do this easily?
[07:31] <Elyseum> How do i add my printer with a console command?
[07:31] <MrPoke> ulisse: sounds good
[07:32] <lbj_> i have a question.  can i upgrade to hoary via apt
[07:32] <filip_> dr_willis..where can i find them?
[07:32] <ulisse> MrPoke, are you advertising for Heineken? :-)
[07:32] <Servo888> CarlK, I dont know - with the ramdisk created by the installer it's cutting it close.
[07:32] <ccelio> filip_, execute apt-cache search package
[07:32] <MrPoke> ulisse: no why do you ask? I think I missed something
[07:33] <dr_willis> filip_,  ubuntuguide.org is the place to start, if its a nonstandard package.
[07:33] <Servo888> CarlK, do you know if there is like a memtest packages with ubuntu?
[07:33] <thoreauputic> ccelio: that won't work until he gets universe :0
[07:33] <ccelio> lbj_, yes, see 5.04 release notes
[07:33] <ulisse> MrPoke, here in Italy there is an ad sayng "heineken, sounds good!"
[07:33] <MrPoke> ahh
[07:33] <lbj_> thanks ccelio
[07:33] <CarlK> Servo888 - yes, it gets installed as a boot option ;)
[07:34] <ccelio> lbj_, you are welcome
[07:34] <Tux-Rox> How do I reset alsamixer settings to the default? I've lost sound...... again......
[07:34] <ulisse> MrPoke, now I'm going to freeze my system with Blender, c u next time!
[07:34] <lbj_> one more thing --- if i keep running warty, how long are the packages supported, aka i receive updates?
[07:34] <Servo888> CarlK, I mean on the bootcd
[07:34] <AlfonsVH> epicenter_, when I change it to VESA, it says that there are no drivers available and then.. Fatal server error: no screen available; after which I return to the command prompt
[07:34] <thoreauputic> lbj_: another year
[07:34] <lbj_> thanks thoreau
[07:35] <CarlK> Servo888 - not that I know of.  you might want to do this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[07:35] <ccelio> lbj_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view
[07:35] <AlfonsVH> epicenter_, it displays also "Failed to load module "VESA"
[07:35] <lbj_> thx ccelio
[07:35] <CarlK> only because that is the easest way I can think of to trim down the ramdisk_size=12890
[07:35] <buz> any nforce4 users around?
[07:36] <CarlK> Servo888 - also, I can show you how to make a net boot memtest86+ option really easy
[07:37] <CarlK> Servo888 - but all of that assumes you A) have a 2nd box to setup the servers, and B) the 24meg box can do netboot, which if it is a laptop, i doubt
[07:38] <carthik> Does anyone know any tar.gz archives of desktop backgrounds/wallpapers? I remember downloading one such a few years ago, but can't find any now.
[07:38] <Servo888> CarlK, the only problem with that is that I'm at school right now. All I have is my good laptop (the one im typing this up), and the 24mb crummy laptop next to it... No access to cdr's (just wasted my last one...). And no crossover cable. So I guess I'll try to do something tonight when I get home.
[07:38] <Servo888> but thanks for the help so far.
[07:38] <filip_> where can i find an dc add repositeris
[07:38] <AlfonsVH> sorry; stupid windows shuts down without any reason; I'll be back soon
[07:39] <phoenixp3k> Any LimeWire users here?
[07:39] <Servo888> Damn if the laptop had USB I could use my usb drive to boot from it =\
[07:39] <carthik> filip_, you dont need any more repositories other than the ubuntu ones, for most applications...
[07:40] <carthik> filip_, you might want to add universe and multiverse to the default ubuntu repositories of main and restricted..
[07:40] <elekrtolyytti> phoenixp3k: me
[07:40] <carthik> filip_, /etc/apt/sources.list is the file with all the repos that you use on your computer..
[07:40] <mindmedic> SeamusLP, having usb is far away from being able to boot from usb
[07:41] <phoenixp3k> elekrtolyytti, is there a way to have a "system tray" icon a bit like gaim has?
[07:41] <ccelio> filip_, you can search at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:42] <elekrtolyytti> phoenixp3k: well it hasnt got it built in..
[07:42] <filip_> i have download dcgui, where should i place it?
[07:42] <ccelio> filip_, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=dcgui&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[07:42] <tritium> filip_, you should apt-get install it, rather than download the .deb
[07:43] <CarlK> Servo888 - hang on a sec... somewhere is a Low mem install notes
[07:43] <phoenixp3k> elekrtolyytti, well there are sevral programs I'd love to act like that, like XMMS for instence
[07:43] <Choubaka> Hm
[07:43] <Choubaka> What filip needs to do is add the universe repository and learn to install packages.
[07:43] <kyler> exit
[07:43] <dr_willis> Choubaka,  yep. :P
[07:43] <Choubaka> I am too tired to do anything now, so I delegate the task of helping him to you.
[07:44] <filip_> i have download it..now what?
[07:44] <dr_willis> ubuntuguide.org -- tells all about adding new soururces and installing stuff.
[07:44] <AlfonsVH> OK I'm back
[07:45] <tritium> filip_, you really don't have to manually download software you want to install since it's in the repositories
[07:45] <AlfonsVH> epicenter_, any idea 'bout the screen?
[07:45] <dr_willis> filip_,  we are all adviseing adding the corr3ect repositiroes - and installing it with 'apt-get install;
[07:45] <Koljonen> anyone wanna help a newbie out... is it possible to access the files on my hard drive (suse installation) with the ubuntu livecd?
[07:46] <dr_willis> Koljonen,  just mount the drives and have at it. :P
[07:46] <] BreliC[> Koljonen, yes, mount the drive
[07:46] <filip_> yes i now that but it cant find dcgui??
[07:46] <libben> where do i put my own shellscripts? so it can get executed everytime i type it? and i wanna make my own folder for them so i have control over them
[07:46] <Koljonen> i have no idea how to do that either.. =) sudo mount /dev/hdaX and some parameters? :/
[07:46] <neighborlee> has anyone seen any hoary updates at all since going fulll release ,just m aking sure because update notifier icon hasn't beenshowing up.....? ;)
[07:46] <dr_willis> filip_,  you add the new repositories to the  /etc/apt/sources.list yet?
[07:47] <dr_willis> Koljonen,  yep. :P
[07:47] <epicenter_> lowercase VESA
[07:47] <epicenter_> not uppercase.
[07:47] <libben> neighborlee, there is no new updates since the final relase
[07:47] <malte`> hi bandini great nick ;)
[07:47] <libben> release
[07:47] <neighborlee> libben, ok thx..
[07:47] <] BreliC[> Koljonen, create a directory in /mnt (say, "harddrive"), and then "sudo mount /dev/hdxx /mnt/harddrive -t <filesystemtype>"
[07:48] <Tux-Rox> How do I reset alsamixer settings to the default? I've lost sound...... again......
[07:48] <CarlK> isn't there a "low memry install" wiki topic?
[07:48] <bandini> malte`,  heh another John Fante admirer
[07:48] <malte`> I have both GNOME and XFCE installed, when I use XFCE the gnome-terminal fonts are smaller! Everything else is ok... anyone experienced the same problem?
[07:48] <AlfonsVH> oh I'll try that
[07:49] <dr_willis> malte`,  not really. :P
[07:49] <] BreliC[> libben, put them in /home/<username>/bin
[07:49] <queuetue> I use a dual-headed, non-xinerama setup, and head 2 (or head 1, depending if you like the fenceposts of the space between them) display a panel, but does not display notification icons, even though I have added a notification area...  Does anyone know why this might be?
[07:49] <CarlK> found it: MiniRam... cute...
[07:50] <b2s> hey epicenter_, did you get your 32bit environment working?
[07:50] <libben> does games that uses directx works under linux ?
[07:50] <epicenter_> b2s: I made a new i386 installation, I just need to install AMD64 and get the hang of chrooting over to it
[07:50] <mindmedic> libben, not without cedega
[07:50] <dr_willis> libben,  some can work with Cedega/wine
[07:50] <CarlK> bah... there idea of "low memory" is 23-256 - that is over 1/2 my systems http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[07:51] <dr_willis> libben,  but dont bet on it. :P
[07:51] <libben> quake3 works perfect. and it want to install directx when its installing
[07:51] <dr_willis> libben,  thats not needed
[07:51] <dr_willis> libben,  there is a linux port of Quake3
[07:51] <b2s> epicenter_: you should be able to chroot into the working x86 system as long as you install the linux32 package
[07:51] <libben> ooh... thats the thing
[07:51] <libben> =)
[07:52] <azad> how to restart the soundserver?
[07:52] <dr_willis> or so i hear.. never used it. :P
[07:52] <epicenter_> b2s: What steps would I follow?
[07:52] <libben> im thinking of lomac (flight sim) if its supported.
[07:52] <fbeyer> Hi everybody
[07:52] <mindmedic> azad, /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[07:52] <azad> thanks
[07:52] <mindmedic> as with all the other services
[07:52] <AlfonsVH> epicenter_, that worked, but now I see the cross-pointer and the dotted background, but the KDE (I installed Kubuntu) doesn't seem to load allright
[07:52] <Tux-Rox> How do I reset alsamixer settings to the default? I've lost sound...... again......
[07:53] <dr_willis> libben,  check cedega home page and Forums. -
[07:53] <libben> cedega is win emu? ill take it
[07:53] <b2s> epicenter_: run "linux32 chroot /path/to/32bit/area"
[07:53] <dr_willis> Tux-Rox,  a read of the gentoo-alsa install guide - has a lot of info that may come in handy.
[07:53] <fbeyer> Does anyone know a web site telling why i should use ubuntu instead of Debian?
[07:53] <dr_willis> libben,  its not free. :P you got to buy it
[07:53] <epicenter_> AlfonsVH: type kdm or gdm instead of startx now
[07:53] <dr_willis> libben,  and its not a Sure thing.
[07:53] <AlfonsVH> ok
[07:53] <epicenter_> b2s: Will this make all applications execute in 32-bit?
[07:54] <epicenter_> and is there a way to get back to normal AMD64?
[07:54] <AlfonsVH> just in the bash root, or should I set the folder to /usr/X11R6/bin?
[07:54] <Tux-Rox> dr_willis, Thanks.
[07:54] <epicenter_> your home dir
[07:54] <AlfonsVH> ok
[07:54] <dr_willis> Tux-Rox,  what sound card you have?
[07:54] <epicenter_> well it doens't really matter actually.
[07:54] <epicenter_> I was thinking of something else.
[07:54] <epicenter_> if you reboot now; gdm or kdm should run and you should get a graphical lolgin
[07:54] <epicenter_> *login
[07:55] <b2s> epicenter_: you'd just exit from the 32bit shell it puts you in.  or you could run linux64 (comes with the linux32 package) but that doesn't make much sense while you are still chrooted
[07:55] <epicenter_> ahh, OK
[07:55] <mxpxpod> where are updates for hoary put? I haven't gotten a hoary update for a few days
[07:55] <epicenter_> seems simple enough
[07:55] <buz> maybe its related to me using xinerama?
[07:55] <Tux-Rox> dr_willis, Audigy
[07:55] <buz> uuh wrong window
[07:55] <epicenter_> mxpxpod: they should automatically update the packages; not be saved somewhere
[07:55] <queuetue> mxpxpod, I heard they were resting after the release.
[07:55] <goldfish> is there like a minimal ubuntu installtion for like running a server on?
[07:55] <b2s> when you run linux32 whatever, it runs "whatever" as 32bit.  chroot starts up "bash" (or whatever), so when you are done, you exit bash and it exits chroot and it exits linux32 :)
[07:56] <Burgundavia> mxpxpod, hoary is now frozen. The only updates are going to security ones and there haven't been any yet
[07:56] <epicenter_> you're the 3rd person I've seen ask why there were no updates
[07:56] <epicenter_> I'd not sweat it
[07:56] <Tux-Rox> dr_willis, I was messing with the alsamixer the other evening and now I'm told via IM that the sound is not working at all...... :-(
[07:56] <Tux-Rox> Unfortunately, I'm not at the machine...
[07:57] <dr_willis> Tux-Rox,  i Got an Auduigy Z2 - theres SOO many mixer controlls its can be scary. :P
[07:57] <AlfonsVH> epicenter_, it works!!! Thanks for the great help!
[07:58] <djp> anyone know if it is possible to use totem-gstreamer with mozplugger to listen to shoutcast streams? i have checked out the forums but that only seems to have answers that use totem-xine which i do not want to use.
[07:58] <dr_willis> Tux-Rox,   i installed the gui-alsa mixers and very methodocly paid attention ti what slider did what. :P and read some info on the alsa homepage..
[07:58] <libben> ] BreliC[, ok. ive putted it there... and tryed to execute it.. now... i need to path it.. how?
[07:58] <AlfonsVH> bye everyone
[08:01] <epicenter_> AlfonsVH: welcome!
[08:01] <epicenter_> Look into getting a newer driver for your card so you can use it and get faster X performance.
[08:02] <epicenter_> also consider sending a bug report with your hardware info in.
[08:03] <Servo888> CarlK, lol, yah I found that lowmem install as well - never new 256MB was low ram =\
[08:04] <graabein> hi! rookie ubuntu/linux user here, my first time online!
[08:04] <Gladiak> hi :)
[08:04] <totalshredder> 256 Will always be a lot of ram
[08:04] <Gladiak> do you try hoary ?
[08:04] <elekrtolyytti> how can i add own commands to keybind of ubuntu?
[08:05] <graabein> i plan to upgrade later this week!
[08:05] <b2s> hi graabein, ubuntu is great isn't it :)
[08:05] <graabein> yeah, i like it. tried suse a couple years ago... used windows uptil now
[08:05] <totalshredder> I have 256 Ram and it is waayyyy enough
[08:05] <Servo888> graabein, I got 24MB of ram on my laptop... I would upgrade but I paid 10 bucks for the laptop... Upgrading the ram to 64 will cost more than the laptop :-)
[08:05] <goldfish> lol
[08:05] <totalshredder> I've never used my swap
[08:06] <mindmedic> totalshredder, play doom3 and you will see that it's not
[08:06] <graabein> hehe
[08:06] <Choubaka> elekrtolyytti: Is that typo in your nickname intentional? :)
[08:06] <totalshredder> Haha, so true, I'm not a gamer though
[08:06] <Reblend-for5mins> Choubaka, keyboard probably stuck
[08:06] <elekrtolyytti> Choubaka: its in finnish ;)
[08:06] <Servo888> totalshredder, what do you do?... Next to firefox and ndiswrapper memory leaks, even with my 1GB I sometimes end up using swap =\
[08:06] <mindmedic> totalshredder, then better say its enough for "you"
[08:06] <Choubaka> elekrtolyytti: It's elektrolyytti in Finnish :)
[08:06] <Reblend-for5mins>  I get the boot prompt for the LIVE CD and it hangs on loading VMLINUZ......
[08:06] <mindmedic> general statements are always tricky
[08:07] <elekrtolyytti> Choubaka: OH lol.. LOL!
[08:07] <totalshredder> mindmedic: good idea
[08:07] <drspin> "Failed to Initialize hal" when I login
[08:07] <drspin> ?/
[08:07] <Reblend-for6mins> ROFL
[08:07] <drspin> already tried reinstalling
[08:07] <filip_> someone hos talk swedish in here?
[08:07] <Reblend-for6mins> I'm sorry Dave, but I'm afraid you can't do that.
[08:08] <Reblend-for6mins> hal says no
[08:08] <totalshredder> Servo888: I use a heck of a lot at once, firefox, gaim, gimp, a few open offices, xmms, lampp no real problems with memory
[08:08] <Gladiak> ehy guys what do you think about new ubuntu hoary ?
[08:08] <graabein> i got a pretty good box... bought nvidia gfx-card just because of the linux support. screw ati!
[08:08] <Reblend-for6mins> Gladiak,  I LOV EIT
[08:08] <drspin> right but why?
[08:08] <Gladiak> acpi problems on laptops ?
[08:08] <Reblend-for6mins> Gladiak, but it's the only dist I've ever seen, except mepis
[08:09] <Gladiak> i have a pavilion and i've some acpi probs
[08:09] <Gladiak> :D
[08:09] <Gladiak> i guess if i could install it freely
[08:09] <Reblend-for6mins> Gladiak, tried LIVE CD Hoary on a P43.2HT laptop... flawless
[08:09] <drspin> Gladiak: what ACPI probs?
[08:09] <graabein> planning on trying online chess, monkeyball, maybe vega strike... freeciv...
[08:09] <Reblend-for6mins> Gladiak, the special buttons don't work, yet
[08:09] <ccelio> Gladiak, my laptop have problems with acpi, i am using apm.... but suspend dont work
[08:09] <Panzerboy> hey all
[08:10] <graabein> heya panzer
[08:10] <Gladiak> argh
[08:10] <ccelio> Gladiak, it is an old laptop, compaq armada 1700
[08:10] <Reblend-for6mins> with a 6 second Ubuntu bootup time.. who needs suspend? =p
[08:10] <Gladiak> drspin, acpi doesn't see if i plug or not ac
[08:10] <Gladiak> ops
[08:10] <Gladiak> gone
[08:10] <Gladiak> :/
[08:11] <graabein> 6 seconds... wow...
[08:11] <Reblend-for6mins> someone had to really tweak it to get that...
[08:11] <Gladiak> mmm i'll try live cd
[08:11] <graabein> listening to traffic... nice band...
[08:12] <darren> Anyone know of a new output plugin that I can download for xmms?
[08:12] <epicenter_> to do .. what?
[08:12] <epicenter_> graabein: I know of Trafik. Not the same?
[08:12] <Gladiak> ah sorry another question...ubuntu has already k3b installed by default ?
[08:12] <graabein> don't think so... english 60-70's
[08:12] <epicenter_> This is 2000's techno ambient
[08:13] <epicenter_> very different
[08:13] <graabein> okey! not the same then, hehe
[08:13] <epicenter_> No idea what country it's from
[08:13] <b2s> Gladiak: k3b is installed in kubuntu by default, but not ubuntu
[08:13] <epicenter_> the lyrics make no sense but that's typical of music from english speaking countries too
[08:13] <graabein> i like brian eno and a couple other ambients... hmmm...
[08:13] <Gladiak> ok tnx :)
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Gladiak: no - but kubuntu hhas it I think
[08:13] <epicenter_> yeah, check out Trafik's stuff
[08:13] <graabein> allright. ill look them up
[08:14] <epicenter_> my favorite is Echoes
[08:14] <epicenter_> graabein: if I can, I'll DCC you a track.
[08:14] <graabein> hmmm... havent gotten anything up yet... just got online for the very first time!
[08:14] <mindmedic> epicenter, n.e.w. output plugin.... nano enhanced wavelets
[08:15] <graabein> dcc is through irc??
[08:15] <Koljonen> ] BreliC[, thanks, but it just gets stuck :( even the mouse cursor doesn't move anymore, i've tried several times now
[08:15] <epicenter_> yep
[08:15] <Casco_Osc> only one question: why gaim install messenger package depends of a system metapackage?
[08:16] <Casco_Osc> i want to remove that package, but it totally depends of ubuntu-desktop, and i don't want to have Gaim installed
[08:16] <totalshredder> just curious, (for you people on ubuntu), are using xchat or gaim?
[08:17] <Casco_Osc> xchat and amsn
[08:17] <Jesterace> i'm using xchat
[08:17] <b2s> I'm using irssi
[08:17] <graabein> hmmm... how do i do this... accept-button doesnt react...
[08:17] <epicenter_> ouch
[08:17] <Casco_Osc> how can i remove Gaim without removing ubuntu-desktop package?
[08:17] <epicenter_> hrm well, IM me nad I can send it there. IRC is less cooperative.
[08:17] <epicenter_> "epicenter713"
[08:17] <Casco_Osc> that dependency really sux
[08:17] <epicenter_> on AIM
[08:18] <zanaga> Casco_Osc: why do you want to remove it?
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> Casco_Osc: apt-get remove gaim
[08:18] <Casco_Osc> zanaga, because i don't use it: it's only wasting disk space :)
[08:18] <Kishu> how can i configure grub so i can boot winxp?
[08:18] <b2s> Casco_Osc: its not that annoying.  what irritates me is that I can't remove lvm10 or lvm2 without removing ubuntu-base
[08:19] <Casco_Osc> da_bon_bon, i know about apt-get, the problem is that gai mdepends of ubuntu-desktop
[08:19] <zanaga> Casco_Osc: all 2 megs of it
[08:19] <graabein> hmmm... epicenter713 at hotmail not a valid passport...
[08:19] <totalshredder> Kish: There are some how-tos on the forums
[08:19] <_membreya> I need to allow port 6543 on my box...I've edited /etc/inetd.conf and /etc/services...what else do I need to do ?
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> ah, 5mb is soooo precious! :P
[08:19] <Servo888> Ok update - it looks like ubuntu is not using the 24mb secondary memory, but only the onboard 8mb. Which is why the kernel panics when loading the kernel on boot of the install cd.
[08:19] <groo> _membreya, did you restart the inetd server?
[08:19] <graabein> but epicenter, don't bother, ill check them out some other time!
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Casco_Osc: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage - removing it won't break your system
[08:20] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/Ubuntu-Screenshots/gnomebaker.png
[08:20] <libben> Casco_Osc, just remove the desktop package.. its just a meta package.. its safe to remove
[08:20] <b2s> unfortunately, ubuntu-base says that upgrades won't work right if it is removed :(
[08:20] <epicenter_> graabein: also get Step Lively, Systematic, Burma, 45 minutes and Pathfinder
[08:21] <Casco_Osc> thoreauputic, i thought that, but i think remove it could is a bit dangerous
[08:21] <Casco_Osc> thank you all
[08:21] <epicenter_> graabein: best mixes are by Petter, "pako and frederik"
[08:21] <_membreya> groo: yup, myth is still reporting "Failed to bind port: 6543"
[08:21] <Borg^Queen> Hi, I was just using ubuntu with KDE and I can't find kwikdisk. Is it gone from ubuntu?
[08:21] <epicenter_> Graabein: Oh, "your light" is great too
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Casco_Osc: you can reinstall it if it bothers you :)
[08:21] <da_bon_bon> Casco_Osc: try using synaptic
[08:21] <Casco_Osc> :)
[08:21] <graabein> is this all by traffik?
[08:22] <Casco_Osc> da_bon_bon, i prefer dpkg
[08:22] <Borg^Queen> kwikdisk anyone? Is it gone?
[08:22] <zxc> I've managed to mount my Fat32 datashare drive but I don't know how to access it, any ideas?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Borg^Queen: what does `which kwikdisk` say, if anything?
[08:22] <Casco_Osc> it's really curious, i prefer dpkg instead of apt-get in shell and synaptic
[08:22] <Casco_Osc> Borg^Queen, ask it in #kubuntu channel
[08:22] <Borg^Queen> which kwikdisk?
[08:23] <Casco_Osc> zxc, have you edited properly /etc/fstab?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Borg^Queen: it's a command :)
[08:23] <Borg^Queen> thoreauputic: I know, it the function gone?
[08:23] <da_bon_bon> Casco_Osc: ok. whatever. synaptic will help u do it, it helped me once!
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Borg^Queen: did you try typing what I said?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> which kwikdisk    <---- is a command
[08:24] <Borg^Queen> thoreauputic: ah, ok misread you. One sec
[08:24] <sig> apt-get install kwikdisk
[08:24] <Borg^Queen> thanks sig
[08:24] <sig> simple
[08:24] <thoreauputic> sig: I don't think it's a package
[08:24] <Borg^Queen> nor do I
[08:24] <sig> apt-file search kwikdisk
[08:25] <Borg^Queen> sig: thanks
[08:25] <freebug> hello everyone... I'm searching for help, about installing nForce2 onboard audio. I'm using ubuntu 5.04. Can anybody help me ?
[08:25] <epicenter_> freebug: I just had this issue with my NF3 most likely .What's wrong?
[08:25] <Borg^Queen> thoreauputic: returned nothing
[08:26] <sig> apt-file update
[08:26] <sig> then apt-file search kwikdisk
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Borg^Queen: it's a mounting applet, right?
[08:26] <Borg^Queen> thoreauputic: yes
[08:26] <freebug> epicenter, I don't know how to configure modules...
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Borg^Queen: maybe it's gone because of auto mounting stuff?
[08:26] <freebug> epicenter, I just compiled the driver, and I think the driver loads in startup
[08:26] <sig> Borg^Queen: one sec while my apt-file updates
[08:27] <Borg^Queen> thoreauputic: I think it's in kdeaddons
[08:27] <sig> this should tell you exactly what package it is contained in
[08:27] <Borg^Queen> Which isn't on a live cd
[08:27] <epicenter_> freebug: ..... what modules?
[08:27] <Borg^Queen> sig: thanks
[08:27] <sig> Borg^Queen: are you on liveCD?
[08:27] <freebug> epicenter, but I have the same problem. I can't hear anything, if I do not kill ESD, with XMMS
[08:27] <thoreauputic> Borg^Queen: ah, the live Cd
[08:27] <Borg^Queen> sig yes
[08:27] <neighborlee> is reiser 3.6 considerd stable ?..i've got some weird things going on and not sure if its related to that or the game files ( thus the games fault) itself..I'm referring to neverwinter ngihts..the game works fine in windows and for other linux users..but atm when I try to join the mujltiplayer areas via gamespy.,- the server 'list doesn't come up like its supposed to ..anyone seen this or have any idea whats causing it ?
[08:27] <Borg^Queen> Aye, that's what I said. A live cd.
[08:27] <doc_> how do you re-send your pw on nickserv?
[08:27] <freebug> epicenter, The modules ubuntu load by default, ac97 and intelxxx
[08:28] <Borg^Queen> Ok thanks people
[08:28] <doc_> my ID was stolen
[08:28] <epicenter_> freebug: Go to Control Center, sound, sound system, set auto-suspend if idle for .. to 1 second.
[08:28] <epicenter_> in KDE
[08:28] <epicenter_> I don't know in Gnome where it is ..
[08:29] <b2s> neighborlee: reiserfs has been stable for a while, but there are some weird problems associated with reiserfs+nwn
[08:29] <freebug> ok epicenter, I'll try it, thanks for your help !
[08:29] <neighborlee> b2s, oh reeeeeally
[08:29] <Montagh> i stuck a new board in, now i run into this kernal panic, something to do with ext3 corrupt blocks etc
[08:29] <epicenter_> freebug: Np, good luck!
[08:29] <neighborlee> b2s, interesting..i'm GLAD I asked ;-)
[08:30] <doc_> anyone know how to recover your password from nickserv
[08:30] <neighborlee> b2s, how did you discover this issue out of curiosity..forum search on ubuntu/nwn site ?
[08:30] <sig> doc_: /msg nickserv help
[08:30] <mishof> Hi, I've just installed a new hard disk drive, and made 30GB of it to an ext3 partition. how can i mount it - what should i write in /etc/fstab ?
[08:30] <b2s> I've been told nwn requires the mount option "nolargeio=1" to perform correctly on reiserfs
[08:30] <banshee_> What do you do, when you have extremely poor OpenGL-performance in Linux? I have the newest drivers, fairly up-to-date hardware (GeForece 5600 XT and an AMD64 3000+), but still I only get 9-10 fps in simple apps like glxgears... anyone?
[08:31] <MALAKY> ubuntu have modules for zyxel adsl modem?
[08:31] <Casco_Osc> banshee_, maybe you are rendering with mesagl
[08:31] <sig> banshee_: have you edited the xorg.conf after you installed the drivers ?
[08:31] <b2s> neighborlee: google :)  also when I was running nwn under mandrake I remember hearing about it (that was a while ago though)
[08:31] <freebug> epicenter, last question. Where is located control center, in the ubuntu's menues
[08:31] <Casco_Osc> you must install nvidia drivers
[08:31] <mjc> banshee_, install nvidia drivers and update xorg.conf
[08:31] <freebug> epicenter (sorry, I'm too newbie)
[08:31] <neighborlee> b2s, hmm...well as I say..the game works fine BUT atm the only 'werid' thing is that the gamespy server 'list' wont display....except for one consistent 'server' that eventually shows up..isn't that bizarre ?
[08:32] <neighborlee> b2s, oh ok..yeah Iknow..GIYF
[08:32] <banshee_> nVidia drivers are installed correctly (according to severeal guides/forums I've been to)
[08:32] <paulfox> what are the theories on what the business plan is for ubuntu? what is canonical gonna sell to make this distro pay off?
[08:32] <neighborlee> b2s, if all else fails..
[08:32] <neighborlee> b2s, k thx
[08:32] <sig> neighborlee: but how are you relating that to a file system ?
[08:32] <paulfox> don't get me wrong, i'm not complaining about the current price ;)
[08:32] <mishof> no1 here got 2 hard drives ??
[08:32] <sig> banshee_: have you edited the xorg.conf file ?
[08:32] <Cwiiis> Can anyone tell me what the name of the next Ubuntu release will be? I couldn't find it with wiki searches... Also, does anyone know if there's an apt archive with slightly older debs? I need the nvidia 6xxx series driver, but I can't find all old enough packages, the CD doesn't have the k7 packages and I'd rather not build it myself
[08:33] <banshee_> sig; Yeah, I have
[08:33] <thoreauputic> paulfox: I guess they sell expertise :)
[08:33] <mjg59> Cwiiis: morgue.ubuntu.com
[08:33] <Casco_Osc> in hoary, drivers are packaged and installation is very easy, you don't need to edit manually xorg.conf
[08:33] <Cwiiis> excellent, thanks mjg59 :)
[08:33] <b2s> Casco_Osc: speak for yourself!
[08:34] <b2s> I had to manually edit my xorg.conf when I installed ati binary drivers
[08:34] <mishof> can someone with 2 hard drives please paste his line regarding second hard drive from /etc/fstab over here?
[08:34] <Casco_Osc> don't remember the command, but, when you install the nvidia-module package, youonly need to run a script
[08:34] <Casco_Osc> sudo dontremember
[08:34] <_membreya> mythbackend     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /etc/init.d/myt$
[08:34] <_membreya> I need to allow port 6543 on my box...I've edited /etc/inetd.conf and /etc/services and restarted inetd...what else do I need to do ? fyi /etc/inetd.conf has
[08:34] <_membreya> erm ....
[08:34] <Casco_Osc> the command is in the package information
[08:34] <_membreya> mythbackend     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /etc/init.d/mythbackend
[08:35] <_membreya> is that the right format?
[08:35] <banshee_> Could it be that the apps somehow use the wrong lib?
[08:35] <Cwiiis> mjg59: Is there a way to search this morgue? I don't know what date these drivers were updated... And does this covere the restricted repo?
[08:37] <mishof> Can someone please help with my simple question ?
[08:37] <sig> mishof: what is it
[08:37] <mishof> sig, what should i add to /etc/fstab in order to mount a 2nd hard drive
[08:37] <mishof> sig, ive made an ext3 partition on it
[08:37] <sig> what is the name of the device (second hd)?
[08:37] <mishof> hdb1
[08:38] <Casco_Osc> well, bye all
[08:39] <sig> mishof: add that so it looks similar to the one already in there
[08:39] <sig> just make sure the fs is ext3 like you said and the correct device hdb1
[08:39] <sig> I'm getting you a reference now from google one sec
[08:39] <neighborlee> sig: well i'm not sure I 'am
[08:39] <sig> http://www.cae.wisc.edu/site/public/?title=linfstab
[08:39] <sig> neighborlee: ?
[08:40] <neighborlee> sig: I was just saying I 'suspect' that as faik ubuntu is now 'stable'..so it was a best guess from  hearing varoius things about reiserfs < 4?
[08:40] <Montagh> ive run into this problem with ext3 block corruption or something
[08:40] <Montagh> ends up in kernel panic
[08:41] <sig> neighborlee: well your problem wouldn't be from a filesystem type
[08:41] <sig> expecially that
[08:41] <neighborlee> sig neighborlee: but how are you relating that to a file system ? : so i was just answering..if however semi late ( I have company sorry )
[08:41] <neighborlee> gtg..bbl
[08:41] <neighborlee> sig: I meant as in possible 'corruption'
[08:42] <neighborlee> sig: what else would it be..no one else is seeing this issue in both linux or windows..only thing differnt is i'm running ubuntu with reiserfs...so you guess is what then ?
[08:42] <mishof> sig, I'm having a problem- it seems as if i cant write to that partition ..
[08:42] <neighborlee> anyway gtg..if you want to address this please PM me so ill be sure to get it when I get back okay??..thx ..bye <<<<<<<
[08:42] <Faw_> hello, I installed Ubuntu 5.04-i386 and Lilo is hanging with L 99. I have a SCSI CD, and the boot disk is an ATA in the secondary IDE.
[08:42] <sig> mishof: in fstab make sure it is writable by you
[08:42] <sig> neighborlee: that is "NOT" a fs problem
[08:43] <sig> bbl
[08:43] <LGius> is there any news aboout Ati IGP345M chipset support? on my HP Pavilion ze5630us fresh Ubuntu 5.04 install I'm getting only 319.800 FPS with glxgears
[08:43] <dr_willis> Hmm. I thought ubuntu used grub by default.
[08:44] <DocUb> what's the command to recover my password on this irc server?
[08:44] <groo> yeah
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Faw_: you have lilo on Hoary? Are you dual booting another distro?
[08:44] <DocUb> msg nickserv help is not useful
[08:44] <Faw_> I used XFS filesystem, the install told me there could be problems with GRUB
[08:44] <thoreauputic> ah, I see
[08:45] <Cred> Hello. I get "could not open resource for writing" with Rhythmbox, running Hoary with nForce2 and SB Live. Can someone here help me?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> didn't know that one...
[08:45] <groo> Faw_, what was wrong with ext3?
[08:45] <Faw_> i don't know I guess I trust XFS more
[08:45] <kent> Cred, can you get sound from other programs? like totem, xmms, beep media player etc?
[08:46] <Cred> kent, yes. Atleast from totem I can.
[08:46] <Cred> kent, I don't have XMMS or bmp.
[08:46] <thoreauputic> Faw_: interesting - why do you trust XFS over bog-standard ext3  ?
[08:47] <DocUb> .
[08:47] <Kishu> how do i make a linux boot disk
[08:47] <groo> has anyone successfully shared their printer using samba/cups?
[08:47] <groo> Kishu, i think there might be images for floppy and cd
[08:48] <Kishu> groo, any idea where they might be? :)
[08:48] <groo> Kishu, just google 'linux boot image' or something.
[08:49] <Faw_> i've seen some benchmarks that say it's faster
[08:49] <Cwiiis> I notice there have been no updated for hoary in the last few days... Is that a purposeful thing, or just coincidence?
[08:49] <Cwiiis> *updates
[08:49] <crimsun> Cwiiis: it's _frozen_
[08:49] <crimsun> Cwiiis: that's why we call it a "stable" release.
[08:49] <groo> no new updates for 6 months
[08:49] <Cwiiis> crimsun: ah, ok - for how long for? Is there another version I can dist-upgrade to that isn't frozen?
[08:49] <groo> well beta stuff
[08:50] <crimsun> Cwiiis: hoary will not receive package updates unless they are critical or security updates
[08:50] <Cred> kent, so any idea why sound doesn't work?
[08:50] <kent> Cred, do you have the default totem from ubuntu, or totem with xine?
[08:50] <crimsun> Cwiiis: breezy will be the next devel branch
[08:50] <Cwiiis> crimsun: I take it it isn't up yet though?
[08:50] <groo> just curious cwiiis but why do you need that?
[08:51] <crimsun> Cred: paste the output of lsmod, lspci -v, cat /proc/asound/cards, dmesg, and amixer to http://pastebin.com
[08:51] <groo> hoary was just released friday.
[08:51] <Cred> kent, it is totem with xine
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Cwiiis: it's only been 4 days
[08:51] <Cwiiis> groo: There's a new version of wesnoth out :) Will just compile myself it looks like
[08:51] <groo> ah
[08:53] <groo> cred what sound card are you using?
[08:53] <sig> who was asking about kwikdisk ?
[08:54] <kent> Cred, Ok.  From system menu in the panel. You can go to Preferences. In there, there is a program to choose the default output  for sound in gnome. Make sure its set to esd.  And from system->preferences,  there is a tool called something like "audio" (in swedish atleast), run it and make sure that the soundserver is running.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> crimsun: do you know if Hoary has improved Ogg Theora support for VLC ? I'm on Warty still...
[08:55] <sig> thoreauputic: root@idaho:~ # apt-cache search kdf
[08:55] <sig> kdeutils - KDE Utilities metapackage
[08:55] <sig> kdf - KDE disk free
[08:55] <crimsun> thoreauputic: that would depend on the versions of the theora libs it was compiled against; I haven't checked
[08:55] <sig> looks like kwikdisk is in KDE Utilities
[08:55] <Cred> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/270509 for lsmod, http://pastebin.com/270511 for lspci and http://pastebin.com/270513 for rest
[08:55] <sig> errr
[08:55] <Kishu> anyone know how to make a ubuntu boot disk?
[08:55] <Cred> groo, I'd like to use my SB live
[08:55] <sig> I mean kdf - KDE disk Free
[08:56] <sig> "kdf"
[08:56] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK - no big deal - xine works well anyway :)  Thanks!
[08:56] <kent> Cred, if this is a new install of ubuntu, I would also recomend you to file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:56] <kent> Cred, and follow crimsuns adwise since he knows more than me :)
[08:56] <Cred> kent, those are set (ESD and sound server)
[08:56] <Cred> This is not a new installation. Same since Warty..
[08:56] <] BreliC[> Cwiiis, have you played Planeshift yet?
[08:57] <sig> Dr_Aevil: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UPSTREAM&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=gnome-volume-manager&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=gnome-volume-manager&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=gnome-volume-manager&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=g
[08:57] <sig> nome-volume-manager  <-- a lot more turned up
[08:57] <Cwiiis> ] BreliC[: I tried it some time ago, I couldn't get it working properly and gave up pretty quickly... Online RPG, right?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> sig: was that really necesary?
[08:57] <Cred> crimsun, "usb-audio" set as default.. that seems odd. Correct?
[08:57] <Kishu> how can I make an ubuntu boot disk?
[08:57] <sig> thoreauputic: yes it was but I didn't realize how big that url was
[08:58] <sig> it is a bug that we are working on
[08:58] <] BreliC[> Cwiiis, yeah.  but i think it's come a long way since then.  i was just wondering if i should give it another shot.  website and screenshots look great
[08:58] <Cwiiis> ] BreliC[: Ah, no idea I'm afraid - If you've got the time, why not I s'pose :)
[08:58] <crimsun> Cred: that doesn't seem odd, it's that way for most motherboards
[08:58] <Cred> Oh ok :)
[08:58] <] BreliC[> heh, true enough.  free is good
[08:59] <crimsun> Cred: I presume you wish to use your sblive for most audio?
[08:59] <Cred> crimsun, yes please.
[08:59] <topyli> Kishu: you have a boot cd, no? dunno how to make a floppy
[08:59] <crimsun> Cred: then do this: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[08:59] <zAo^> does composite already work with ATI?
[09:00] <crimsun> Cred: then do: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload
[09:00] <Kishu> topyli, I have the installation cd, would that work?
[09:00] <mjr> zAo^, sure, just slowly at least with the xcompmgr
[09:00] <crimsun> Cred: you may have to log out and back in for the volume settings to take effect
[09:00] <CaPS_> Hey, on windows there's this feature where you type " and then press e to get e-umlaut.. Is there a way to get this going on ubuntu aswell ?
[09:01] <zAo^> mjc, can I keep my DRI?
[09:01] <topyli> Kishu: yes. there are boot options. install, rescue, boot existing
[09:01] <Kishu> tpyli, oh ok... thanks
[09:01] <Cred> crimsun, ok. Just a sec
[09:02] <agony> I'm new to Ubuntu (as of today) and I'm loving it so far. Should I follow www.ubuntuguide.org or is there a better "first document" to read? I don't wanna mess something up.
[09:03] <LGius> my notebook is not reacting when I'm swiching AC power :(  /usr/sbin/power nowd -q is running
[09:03] <Cred> crimsun, didn't work.
[09:03] <crimsun> Cred: meaning?
[09:03] <Koljonen> ] BreliC[, i got it working after all, i was trying to mount the wrong partition :-)
[09:03] <CaPS_> anyone?
[09:04] <Cred> crimsun, no sound from Rhythmbox. Same error. Totem works fine.
[09:04] <mjc> hey crimsun
[09:04] <crimsun> Cred: did you check to see that esd is running like Kent suggested?
[09:04] <crimsun> 'lo mjc
[09:04] <mjc> fancy finding you here =)
[09:05] <LGius> who could point me to the right answer about powernowd ?
[09:05] <Cred> crimsun, Multimedia Systems Selector does have ESD selected but "Test" gives an error.
[09:05] <zAo^> sorry CaPS_  donno
[09:05] <crimsun> Cred: pgrep esd
[09:06] <kishu> how do I activate GRUB??
[09:06] <Cred> crimsun, nothing.
[09:06] <kishu> I have everything installed, but it wont activate at boot?
[09:06] <topyli> kishu: better yet, get something like http://www.sysresccd.org/ so you'll never be in trouble (if you know linux)
[09:06] <djp> anyone use totem-gstreamer?
[09:06] <kent> crimsun, Cred that only changes the default output. You have to make sure the soundserver is running aswell. Its in another program in the system-preference-menu
[09:06] <crimsun> Cred: then you need to start it. Did you check System>Preferences>Sound and make sure that "Enable sound server startup" is enabled?
[09:07] <Ironfrost> I have a Microsoft Multimedia keyboard (with the extra keys to command various functions like sound etc), and have set it up, but XMMS doesn't want to listen to it
[09:07] <Cred> crimsun & kent, yes. The soundserver checkbox is checked.
[09:07] <Ironfrost> does anyone know how to set it up properly?
[09:07] <dockane> Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Ubuntu!
[09:07] <agony> Is there a better "first document" than ubuntuguide.org? I don't wanna mess something up.
[09:07] <Choubaka> :D
[09:08] <Choubaka> dockane: Yay.
[09:08] <dockane> :P
[09:08] <crimsun> Cred: did you log out and back in?
[09:08] <Cred> crimsun, I did. Should I reboot?
[09:08] <kishu> anyone, how can I activate GRUB so that it activates at boot? I have it installed, but it just boots ubuntu and no GRUB
[09:08] <topyli> kishu: first of all, if the installation doesn't install grub properly, you should file a bug
[09:08] <crimsun> Cred: no need. Just open a Terminal and execute esd
[09:09] <kishu> topyli, am I not supposed to activate GRUB or something?
[09:09] <Choubaka> esd still gives me the creeps
[09:09] <topyli> kishu: to fix, you need to run grub-install (i guess)
[09:09] <Choubaka> it's teh ew.
[09:09] <kent> crimsun, strange that pgrep esd dont show something, even though it should be running according to the Sound-program in the menu.
[09:09] <zAo^> kishu, what is the timeout? (/boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:09] <topyli> kishu: or reinstall grub
[09:09] <dockane> Choubaka, may i try this in #gentoo :)
[09:09] <crimsun> kent: state collision, happens from time to time
[09:09] <imcsk8> hello, i have a problem configuring xorg for hoary: the video card of my pc is a i810, that's how dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg detectes it, all the configuration process goes without problem but i can't get more than a 640x480 resoultion
[09:09] <Cred> crimsun, nothing seems to happen. pgrep esd doesn't list anything.
[09:09] <crimsun> kent: a reboot would fix it
[09:09] <edulix> hi !
[09:10] <blue-imac> is anyone here knowledgale with xfce?
[09:10] <crimsun> Cred: no, _execute_ (as in start) esd
[09:10] <kishu> Oh well, I just reinstalled grub, let me see if it works now.
[09:10] <Choubaka> dockane: Are you suicidal?
[09:10] <dockane> Choubaka, not yet. :)
[09:10] <Cred> crimsun, I did. I typed esd in terminal and tried sudo esd too
[09:10] <jeffmc> imcsk8, I found something that worked
[09:10] <edulix> t appears that system slowsdown just when my laptop fans start to spin vigorously. does it make sense ?
[09:10] <brenx> Hi
[09:10] <crimsun> Cred: typing esd should be enough. Did it spit out errors?
[09:11] <Cred> crimsun, nothing came out.
[09:11] <crimsun> Cred: did it return you to a prompt, or is it sitting there?
[09:11] <blue-imac> edulix: that sounds like processor throttling due to heat
[09:11] <jeffmc> use the livecd, and look at the /etc/x11/xorg.conf file
[09:11] <jeffmc> then make your non-live install match it
[09:11] <Cred> crimsun, it did return so it didn't hang.
[09:12] <crimsun> Cred: cat /proc/asound/cards -> pastebin.com
[09:13] <smhar> what are the main advantages of ubuntu over debian testing?
[09:13] <Choubaka> Predictability.
[09:13] <dockane> crimsun: is there something like pastebin for pictures ?
[09:13] <edulix> blue-imac: uhm, it could make sense, because when everything gets slow, I see that cpu usage averages 85-95%, and it's not 1 program but all of them
[09:14] <Cred> crimsun, the output is same as in http://pastebin.com/270513
[09:14] <edulix> but I belive that cpu usage is always at 1.2 Ghz: that's what cat /proc/cpuinfo tells me
[09:14] <smhar> I didn't understand
[09:14] <crimsun> smhar: 1) released, stable; 2) 18 months (at least) of support; 3) release every 6 months; 4) more software than you can shake a stick at
[09:14] <Choubaka> smhar: also, not having to download 200 MB of updates every other week :
[09:14] <crimsun> Cred: exactly the same? Then reboot.
[09:14] <blue-imac> edulix: yeah, that sounds like your processor is getting too hot and slowing down... is there a way, maybe in your BIOS, to enable the fan all the time? Maybe you can get it to stay cool, and fast.
[09:14] <Cred> crimsun, exactly. I'll reboot :)
[09:14] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[09:15] <Choubaka> I think my processor is partly fucked up.
[09:15] <delire> Xyrouz: hej
[09:15] <blue-imac> edulix: either that or see if you can tweak the fan to start spinning sooner, so that the cpu doesn't heat up so much.
[09:15] <smhar> crimsun, what software ubuntu has that is not available for debian testing?
[09:15] <ztonzy> delire, yo :)
[09:15] <delire> hehe hi
[09:16] <Choubaka> I get a hard lockup every time I do something intensive, like gimping. :p
[09:16] <delire> ztonzy: dropped out the other day, i was on a borrowed access point if you know what i mean ;)
[09:16] <Xyrouz> delire: do i know you ?
[09:16] <ztonzy> delire, got issues here...so I had to re-install system, running a fresh Ubuntu now
[09:16] <Choubaka> and running lives is a 100% sure way to kill my system.
[09:16] <smhar> Choubaka, aren't those 200mb newer than what ubuntu has atthe time
[09:16] <delire> Xyrouz: *.dk addr
[09:16] <crimsun> smhar: quite a few packages, namely latest stable gnome and kde in addition to many other packages. See packages.ubuntu.com
[09:16] <ztonzy> delire, heh...yes you just vanished like that
[09:16] <delire> ztonzy: so why the reinstall?
[09:16] <Xyrouz> delire: jep... du er s ogs fra DK eller hva :)
[09:16] <Choubaka> smhar: who cares about slightly newer software? and no.
[09:17] <Choubaka> Danish looks so much like Swedish
[09:17] <ztonzy> delire, long story...can take it PM then (if)
[09:17] <delire> Xyrouz: hehe in actuality i don't speak danish (yet), just visiting on work for a few months;)
[09:17] <Xyrouz> Choubake, kind of...
[09:17] <Cred> crimsun, yay! It works.
[09:17] <Xyrouz> delire, hehe okay :)
[09:17] <delire> ztonzy: sure pm
[09:17] <august> #eaL
[09:17] <_membreya> Choubaka: what type of video card do you have?
[09:17] <Cred> crimsun, now I had sounds at login. Thank you so much.
[09:17] <Choubaka> Xyrouz: You know, they're actually more alike than Mandarin and Cantonese. :p
[09:18] <InitMass> which module has to be loaded to get info about the CPU temp?
[09:18] <delire> Xyrouz: (just trying out my *.dk "Hi")
[09:18] <djpate_> can anyone help me - i need to find out how to pass the filename while creating a custom launch on gnome
[09:18] <Choubaka> _membreya: GeForce 4 MX
[09:18] <Xappe> Choubaka: yes, in text...not at all in speech. Danish is like Swedeish with porrage interference :)
[09:18] <blue-imac> anyone here know xfce?
[09:18] <Choubaka> Xappe: well, yeah.
[09:18] <_membreya> Choubaka: edit your xorg.conf and comment out the line for renderaccel ..then restart X and see if it makes a diff ;)
[09:18] <Xyrouz> blue-imac, yes
[09:18] <Choubaka> I don't have renderaccel.
[09:18] <Choubaka> :)
[09:19] <Xappe> <-- Swede
[09:19] <_membreya> >:(
[09:19] <Choubaka> If I used renderaccel, it'd lock up all the time.
[09:19] <Choubaka> also, using composite kills my comp
[09:19] <Choubaka> but this is a case of crappy hardware.
[09:19] <Choubaka> At least I can still surf the net and IRC and listen to music :)
[09:20] <blue-imac> Xyrouz: I need a little help... I installed from the 5.04 pre-release CD, and then updated to 5.04 latest, now the background in XFCE is simply brown... even though I have a picture (and colors) set in the control panel.
[09:20] <blue-imac> Choubaka: don't complain about crappy hardware intul you're running on less that a 266 imac!
[09:20] <blue-imac> intul == until
[09:21] <Choubaka> blue-imac: I don't mean crappy hardware as slow hardware.
[09:21] <Choubaka> I mean my hardware is utter CRAP
[09:21] <Xyrouz> had kind of the same problem once... in XFce there is 2 tabs with wallpapers, when you set it... Just choose the same in both of then, worked for me...
[09:21] <blue-imac> heh, i do!
[09:21] <Choubaka> and broken, too
[09:21] <blue-imac> Xyrouz: ok, will try that
[09:21] <Xyrouz> k
[09:21] <blue-imac> Choubaka: well, i consider 64mb of ram max "broken" don't you?   :-)
[09:22] <Choubaka> No.
[09:22] <crimsun> Cred: np
[09:22] <NiklasDoe> Isn't there an i686 release for Ubuntu?
[09:22] <Choubaka> I consider not workiness broken
[09:22] <Choubaka> NiklasDoe: err?
[09:22] <_membreya> i need a new PC ..amd64 3200 isn't fast enough :(
[09:22] <blue-imac> :-(
[09:22] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: there're i686-specific kernel and libc, yes
[09:22] <Choubaka> _membreya: Err? :D
[09:22] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: but no specific i686 release
[09:23] <Choubaka> a i686 specific release would be just stupid.
[09:23] <_membreya> Choubaka: it's not ..1 min to load kubuntu ...grrr
[09:23] <Choubaka> :)
[09:23] <LGius> my computer is not reacting on switching of AC power... It's showing that notebooks is still running on AC. powerdnow, p4_clockmod. Intel Pentium 4 Mobile.
[09:23] <Choubaka> _membreya: how many GHz was it again?
[09:23] <eyequeue> crimsun:  i've found polypaudio seems to work better for me here than esound.  is there anything of which i should be wary?
[09:23] <_membreya> amd64 3200 = 2.2GHz (but with powernow it throttles down to 1GHz once everything is loaded)
[09:23] <Choubaka> And I don't turn off my computer, ever, so I wouldn't know.
[09:24] <Choubaka> _membreya: Mine is 1.2 GHz :p
[09:24] <NiklasDoe> No but i meant, the one you can download now is named ubuntu-5.04-install-i386
[09:24] <crimsun> eyequeue: not that I know of. I use polypaudio myself at home, but at work, because I use the livecd, I don't seem to notice anything absurd.
[09:24] <_membreya> Choubaka: yes but "technically" mine beats the pants off a P4 3.2 ;)
[09:24] <blue-imac> Xyrouz: does the "enable gnome services" have anything to do with it? I'm using gdm -- what about esd? should it start automatically?
[09:24] <Choubaka> NiklasDoe: That doesn't matter.
[09:24] <Choubaka> NiklasDoe: It'll work just as fast on a i686
[09:24] <eyequeue> crimsun:  great, thanks
[09:25] <Choubaka> you gain _nothing_ by making a i686 -release
[09:25] <Choubaka> except less compatibility :)
[09:25] <delire> blue-imac: esd is a pain in the arse..
[09:25] <Choubaka> _membreya: :p
[09:25] <Xyrouz> blue-imac: dont think that gnome has anything to do with it... but i dont use ubuntu, so i dont know what kind of weird thing they have done :P using debian...
[09:25] <Choubaka> esd is the sound daemon gnome uses, right?
[09:25] <Choubaka> :p
[09:26] <delire> blue-imac: i use debian, so can't check for you right now, though would say disable esd and try again.
[09:26] <Choubaka> using sound daemons kills my comp as well
[09:26] <blue-imac> Xyrouz: should esd have to run for xfce? or should I be using something else?
[09:26] <delire> Choubaka: what do you mean 'kill'?
[09:26] <Choubaka> crash. murder. whatever.
[09:26] <Choubaka> my computer is really flaky
[09:26] <blue-imac> Choubaka: the line "daemons kills my comp" should be famous...  :-)
[09:26] <Xyrouz> if you have to use a sound daemon, esd would be the choise for xfce, i think...
[09:26] <blue-imac> Xyrouz: ok, cool
[09:26] <Choubaka> xfce is wonderful. :|
[09:27] <delire> Choubaka: what seems to be the problem? you've installed Ubuntu and you have poor performance?
[09:27] <Xyrouz> xfce IS nice...
[09:27] <Choubaka> delire: no. not just with ubuntu
[09:27] <no0tic> ptal-init setup doesn't recognize my HP officejet 1150
[09:27] <blue-imac> and very ... not sucky... {grin} on this computer.
[09:27] <delire> Choubaka: a recent install or a recent upgrade (to Hoary)?
[09:27] <Choubaka> This is not a software-specific problem.
[09:27] <NiklasDoe> Okey. My sound doesnt work, and some dude said something about it being cuz i used a kernel that was optimized for i386 i dunno
[09:28] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: erm, I don't think that's the root cause.
[09:28] <Choubaka> It would make no difference whether I had Ubuntu, Debian, FC, Gentoo or Windows.
[09:28] <LGius> less #ubuntu | grep "Pentium 4 Mobile" > no answer?
[09:28] <Choubaka> except windows would crash way more.
[09:28] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: what sound card do you have?
[09:28] <crimsun> delire: absolutely _not_
[09:28] <mjc> LGius, model name      : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.40GHz
[09:28] <crimsun> delire: it was ripped out of alsa-utils for very good reasons
[09:28] <NiklasDoe> Creative soundblaster Audigy 2
[09:29] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: please paste the output of cat /proc/asound/cards to http://pastebin.com
[09:29] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: and amixer, too
[09:29] <Choubaka> Anyway, the only thing that can fix this is getting a new computer. :)
[09:29] <NiklasDoe> Okey, I'll just have to boot into linux first
[09:29] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: the latter being more important.
[09:29] <LGius> mjc,  Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4     CPU 2.30GHz
[09:29] <Choubaka> I'll probably go with a mac if I can afford one someday.
[09:29] <NiklasDoe> k
[09:29] <LGius> mjc, problems with powermanagement
[09:29] <no0tic> I can't use my HP scanner
[09:29] <Choubaka> I'm tired of PC hardware :(
[09:30] <mjc> LGius, what specifically's wrong? only thing that doesn't work for me is suspend because of nvidia driver
[09:30] <delire> ..
[09:31] <LGius> mjc, after switching of AC, applet is still showing that comp running on AC
[09:34] <_-InMa-_> good night, buenas noches
[09:34] <zxc> what's the mount all command?
[09:34] <crimsun> mount -a ?
[09:35] <zxc> ah k, I didn't know but was told to do it
[09:35] <NiklasDoe> crimsun: It's pretty much to paste :P
[09:35] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: onto http://pastebin.com ?
[09:35] <zxc> when i mount -a it says "[mntent] : line 10 in /etc/fstab is bad
[09:35] <zxc> ", can anyone help?
[09:35] <crimsun> what's line 10 of it?
[09:36] <NiklasDoe> http://www.pastebin.com/270527 crimsun
[09:36] <crimsun> NiklasDoe: unmute the Analog/Digital Output Jack
[09:37] <_paul> hi, can someone tell me whats the story with libdvdcss2, i cant seem to find it at all, in the respitories or on the web!
[09:38] <crimsun> _paul: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:38] <crimsun> ^brk3
[09:38] <brk3> crimsun: thanks
[09:39] <edulix> now i my fan has just started to spin
[09:41] <libben> how can i check my path's ?
[09:41] <mvirkkil> Can I browse the hwdb info somewhere online?
[09:41] <brk3> crimsun: ok, i found the list of mirrors, but is there no ubuntu package for it anymore
[09:41] <mvirkkil> libben: What do you mean?
[09:41] <Boogieman> hello
[09:41] <libben> wanna see my paths... if its linked
[09:42] <petemc> libben: echo $PATH
[09:42] <mvirkkil> libben: What paths? The paths for executables?
[09:42] <crimsun> brk3: did you follow the directions on RestrictedFormats ?
[09:42] <mvirkkil> libben:  echo $PATH
[09:42] <ogra> mvirkkil, just open the client a second time
[09:42] <libben> i made a ~/bin/shellscriptfile and i cant get it to run unless i type ./script
[09:43] <mvirkkil> ogra: I'm not using ubuntu atm.
[09:43] <mvirkkil> ogra: What website are they sent to?
[09:43] <ogra> mvirkkil, you will need the id from the client to find the data.....
[09:43] <brk3> crimsun: wait i see what im doing wrong, sorry!
[09:43] <mvirkkil> libben: You need to add that path to the PATH variable
[09:43] <sIQ|Steboyuk> hello
[09:43] <Boogieman> at the moment i use mandrake 10.1 and have only a very small knowledge about linux. is it possible for me to install and run ubuntu? i read that it is based on debian and that scares me a little
[09:43] <mvirkkil> ogra: What's the site?
[09:43] <sIQ|Steboyuk> i have a problem
[09:43] <crimsun> Boogieman: it shouldn't frighten you.
[09:44] <sIQ|Steboyuk> i have install vncserver via apt-get but when i type vncserver all i get is blank x session
[09:44] <Anders1> Boogieman: why does that scare you?
[09:44] <libben> mvirkkil, i have it in my ~/.bash_profile
[09:44] <sIQ|Steboyuk> no programs, no xterm.. no nothing
[09:44] <libben> it says ~/bin there
[09:44] <virtuald> my gnome is broken :/ when i start it it says my session lasted less than 10 seconds, and that i should try safe mode, but that gives the same error :/ how do i check why it happens?
[09:44] <crimsun> virtuald: look in ~/.xsession-errors
[09:44] <mvirkkil> libben: Then logout and log in?
[09:44] <virtuald> ok
[09:44] <sIQ|Steboyuk> anyone know how i can set up a vncserver from commandline to look at my current desktop i have up?
[09:45] <sIQ|Steboyuk> my monitor is broken and its going to be a pain restarting :(
[09:45] <ailleantsian> does anyone have a belkin wireless card that has sucessfully installed it ?
[09:45] <Boogieman> because i tried to install debian once and the installer tells me strange things about the packets i need to install another. like sounds packets for system administration program
[09:45] <kingsley> I've found a way to reliably crash X and would appreciate some feedback on how I might diagnose, and ideally fix, it.
[09:45] <sIQ|Steboyuk> anyone know how i can set up a vncserver from commandline to look at my current desktop i have up????
[09:46] <sIQ|Steboyuk> Warning: ubuntu:0 is not taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock
[09:46] <sIQ|Steboyuk> Remove this file if there is no X server ubuntu:0
[09:47] <sIQ|Steboyuk> im desperate here:)
[09:48] <pooper> i have an adaptec raid 1/0 controller...i built an raid1 array from two disk...when i run the installer it still shows both disks as installalable targets...what gives
[09:48] <Boogieman> because i tried to install debian once and the installer tells me strange things about the packets i need to install another. like sounds packets for system administration program. Anders1 crimsun
[09:49] <crimsun> huh?
[09:49] <zxc> Anyone know how my Fat32 partition to show up in linux
[09:49] <zxc> *how to get
[09:49] <Anders1> Boogieman: um? what do you mean
[09:49] <virtuald> crimsun: thanks, it was a simple permission problem
[09:49] <tombs> hi ppl
[09:50] <djp> has anyone setup phpbb2 under hoary?
[09:50] <ailleantsian> this network problem is really getting to me now :(
[09:50] <Boogieman> Anders1 the installation program tells me i have to choose many other very strange packets when i choose one thing while the installation
[09:50] <libben> that dident help... to login and out....still cant execute my script...
[09:51] <Anders1> Boogieman: you mean tasksel is asking you for Desktop environment etc..?
[09:51] <libben> is really .bash_profile for X loggin in ? .bashrc instead maybe?
[09:51] <kishu> hey, this is a part of my partition table: (my question is, does GRUB see hdb6 as 1,1 or 1,2?)
[09:51] <kishu>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:51] <kishu> /dev/hdb1               2        9729    78140160    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[09:51] <kishu> /dev/hdb5               2        7817    62781988+   b  W95 FAT32
[09:51] <kishu> /dev/hdb6            7818        9729    15358108+   b  W95 FAT32
[09:51] <Anders1> kishu: #flood
[09:51] <mvirkkil> kishu: pastebin
[09:51] <Boogieman> could be. i dont remember. after that i switched to mandrake
[09:52] <thully> hi - does anyone here know how I would pin the entire marillat source to lowest priority?  Some of its packages conflict with Ubuntu packages, but others in marillat aren't in Ubuntu.
[09:52] <salvia> does anyone got laser printer working with ubuntu ?
[09:52] <pooper> i have an adaptec raid 1/0 controller...i built an raid1 array from two disk...when i run the installer it still shows both disks as installalable targets...what gives?
[09:52] <mvirkkil> thully: Google for apt pinning :)
[09:52] <Boogieman> i now want something that is easy like mandrake but have always new software to update it online
[09:53] <edulix> how to change cpu throttling from command line     ?Ineedtodo that desesperatly :P
[09:53] <mvirkkil> Is this BOF about restricted formats? http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDevelopment/MultiMedia
[09:53] <salvia> so anyone knows how to get laser printer to work ?
[09:54] <zxc> Does anyone know how to get my fat32 partition to show up. I might have actually done it I just don't know how to access the files?
[09:55] <Jet2k5> is hoary stable? :P
[09:55] <Goshawk> Jet2k5, yes it is
[09:55] <Jet2k5> Goshawk, lol I just had to re-install because something went very wrong when I updated
[09:55] <Jet2k5> if I want kde, what do I do sudo apt-get install kde?
[09:55] <Goshawk> Jet2k5, no problem here
[09:55] <ailleantsian> goshawk do you know much about trying to get wifi network cards working ?
[09:56] <Jet2k5> and that takes care of all of it?
[09:56] <ralf__> que paxa nenn
[09:56] <ralf__> xD
[09:56] <libben> how do i add to path manually?
[09:56] <Goshawk> ailleantsian, no sorry
[09:56] <libben> cause this aint working
[09:56] <Riddell> Jet2k5: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[09:56] <Jet2k5> looking at that
[09:56] <DocUb> libben you mean a directory?
[09:56] <Goshawk> Jet2k5, i've a updated hoary and no problems here
[09:57] <pooper> nobody uses raid 1?
[09:57] <pooper> comeon'
[09:57] <libben> i want to add my ~/bin manually... cause ~/.bash_profile aint doing the job its supposed to...
[09:57] <Delparnel> hey, i just rebooted my sys and got an "Error 18: Cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS" from Grub
[09:57] <DocUb> mkdir then the path
[09:58] <no0tic> libben: you have to start login terminal to get .bash_profile working
[09:58] <virtuald> libben: export PATH=~/bin:$PATH
[09:58] <crimsun> libben: ~/.bash_profile is parsed, so you should be fine as long as you uncommented that section in ~/.bash_profile
[09:58] <Jet2k5> so I take it that kubuntu is not in hoary?
[09:58] <Delparnel> any suggestions?
[09:58] <crimsun> Jet2k5: it is. aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[09:58] <Jet2k5> I mean in warty
[09:58] <crimsun> Jet2k5: that's correct, it isn't
[09:58] <Jet2k5> because I did not like the online update to hoary
[09:58] <libben> # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
[09:58] <libben> if [ -d ~/bin ]  ; then
[09:58] <libben>     PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
[09:58] <libben> fi
[09:59] <libben> it says this in my bas_profile
[09:59] <Jet2k5> what is a good burning app for gnome?
[09:59] <crimsun> libben: and you logged out and back in?
[09:59] <Jet2k5> gnomebake sucked for me ...
[09:59] <djp> anyone runinng phpbb2 here?
[09:59] <Jet2k5> 3 cd's all bad burns even at a writing speed of 1!
[09:59] <libben> i did a ctrl alt backspace even.
[09:59] <crimsun> libben: or sourced ~/.bash_profile ?
[09:59] <libben> crimsun, it works now thxs... the source thing made it
[10:00] <Jet2k5> what do you guys recommend to burn cd's?
[10:00] <libben> but why dident it work when i loaded it with logging in and out?
[10:01] <IceGuest5> hello?
[10:02] <Slipp3d_Str3am> hey is anyone really here?
[10:02] <morlenxus> hello vveird
[10:02] <VVeIrD> morlenxus: huch.. hier is aber voll ^^
[10:02] <morlenxus> VVeIrD: ;)
[10:02] <Slipp3d_Str3am> hello all...
[10:02] <DocUb> 'lo
[10:02] <VVeIrD> hi there
[10:03] <Slipp3d_Str3am> this may sound like a dumb question ... but is there a way to get into a windows domain.... I"m having tons of problems with getting into the domain
[10:03] <libben> one problem with my nice shellscript... why wont it get loaded when i try to do /exec -o scriptfile
[10:04] <IceGuest5> does anyone know a bootable settup that will read fat32 and do network connections?
[10:05] <Slipp3d_Str3am> can any one point me to a good faq site for getting a mail server set up in ubuntu?
[10:06] <rrfsh> Slipp3d_Str3am hello, can u help me? i want to connect my ubuntu to internet with my nokia 6630 via bluetoth. have
[10:07] <Slipp3d_Str3am> oh come on ... nobody knows?            sorry rrfsh i'm a n00b at this as well
[10:08] <rrfsh> libben hello
[10:08] <libben> ?
[10:08] <libben> ;P
[10:08] <rrfsh> can u help me
[10:09] <individ> :)
[10:09] <rrfsh> ?
[10:09] <libben> wich problem?
[10:09] <malte`> why if i set a terminal font of, let's say, Monospace 8 i get a much smaller font instead??
[10:10] <kengur> how do i add something to PATH for every session?
[10:10] <goonie> i need help.. unrar is not a recognized command and I can't find rar or unrar in synaptics... what should I do?
[10:11] <pvanhoof> you have a /etc/profile.d/ direcotry, kengur. Add a .sh file with export PATH=$PATH:/dir
[10:11] <Choubaka> goonie: add universe/multiverse to sources.
[10:11] <tck> kengur, edit your .bash_profile
[10:11] <kengur> tck, tried didn't work somehow
[10:12] <fissy> probably have to log out and in
[10:12] <tck> try .bashrc
[10:12] <tck> you have to then do, source .bash_profile OR . .bash_profile for it to work
[10:12] <kengur> i assume sh .bash_profile is ok too
[10:13] <tck> never used it that way
[10:13] <goonie> Choubaka~ how? I've checked every repository in synaptics.. Settings - repositories -  checked all there but none of them is called universe or multiverse... can I add the url?
[10:13] <Choubaka> goonie: yes.
[10:13] <Choubaka> though use ubuntu update manager for that.
[10:13] <libben> crimsun, to get my script working out here /exec -o ~/bin/./kollahds is what i need to type... why do i need to type the executing part when i dont need to do it in console.... aint the PATH loaded for non GUI?
[10:13] <Choubaka> oh what the hell.
[10:14] <Choubaka> goonie: if you open the sources.list file, you'll see lines which end with "main" or something
[10:14] <Choubaka> add "universe multiverse" after those. on the same line.
[10:14] <goonie> k, where is sources.list ?
[10:15] <libben> by exectuing part i ment the PATH =)
[10:15] <crashd_> hi
[10:15] <rbrt> goonie, /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:15] <goonie> thx
[10:15] <crashd_> why with menu-editor i can't remove the icons?
[10:16] <crashd_> and if i add some, it add in "other"?
[10:16] <kengur> tck, why doesn't things in .bash_profile don't show up in $PATH? means it doesn't import the stuff at all?
[10:16] <mvirkkil> Why is there a separate wiki for udu?
[10:17] <tck> kengur, i dont understand what you are saying
[10:17] <crashd_> what is utopia project?
[10:17] <libben> kengur, login and out
[10:17] <libben> or source ~/.bash_profile
[10:17] <ReleaseX> i'm having a problem setting my wireless card to my ap, iwconfig wlan0 essid <ap> , but iwconfig doesn't show that it's been assigned
[10:17] <tck> or . ~/.bash_profile
[10:17] <kengur> libben, well it was already there and it doesn't show up
[10:18] <mvirkkil> crashd_: Hotplug + HAL + DBUS to create a seamless experience. -> Integration of all the new toys
[10:18] <kengur> ~/bin should be in $PATH, i use hoary
[10:18] <St0n3-C0l> do anybody uses MSN Chat from Linux ?
[10:18] <kengur> shit, sorry
[10:18] <tck> ReleaseX, is the card active, does ubuntu recognise it
[10:18] <mvirkkil> kengur: Copy the files from /etc/skel
[10:18] <kengur> my mistake
[10:19] <tck> ReleaseX, try dhclient
[10:19] <libben> what is skel cat?
[10:19] <goonie> Choubaka~ I added universe multiverse at the end of those lines... and now I get an error when I start synaptic
[10:19] <ReleaseX> tck, the card is active, and ubuntu recognizes it
[10:19] <tck> skel is a back up of the default .bash_profile
[10:19] <Choubaka> goonie: what error?
[10:19] <DocUb> How do I get FireStart to load automatically? I read the HowToGuide but it's not giving me enough information
[10:19] <DocUb> FireStarter*
[10:19] <scorpix> anyone success on running paltalk on ubuntu?
[10:20] <pooper> i have an adaptec raid 1/0 controller...i built an raid1 array from two disk...when i run the installer it still shows both disks as installalable targets...what gives?
[10:20] <kengur> mvirkkil, it says if -d ~/bin and i add my path there, which obviously doesn't work =)
[10:20] <zhukov_> hello
[10:20] <zxc> I have a 17" sony monitor but it comes out as max 1024x768 on gnome. Do I need the ATI drivers?
[10:20] <tck> DocUb, it should be in /etc/rc2.d
[10:20] <DocUb> It loads automatically but it says I don't have root privilages to make it load
[10:20] <DocUb> sorry about that
[10:21] <ReleaseX> tck dhclient returns, no dhcpoffers received, no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[10:21] <tck> DocUb, run is was sudo
[10:21] <goonie> Choubaka~ this is what i get: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty-security_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:21] <zhukov_> I start Ubuntu, the login panel appears, i can log in, but sometimes it stops after the log in
[10:21] <kengur> zxc, i had the same problem with Mandrake, but ubuntu just works as expected
[10:21] <tck> ReleaseX, its ur AP
[10:21] <rrfsh> hello somebody know how to make the bluetooth work please?
[10:21] <tck> do dump_cis for me
[10:21] <Choubaka> hmm
[10:21] <zhukov_> Nothing appens...can anyone help me out? Ive googled but still no answer
[10:21] <Choubaka> does universe get security updates?
[10:22] <ReleaseX> tck, what am i looking for in dump_cis ?
[10:22] <tck> Choubaka, you tried updating the gnome-panel
[10:22] <Choubaka> what?
[10:22] <kengur> rrfsh, u have to run the daemon, there are plenty of tutorials out there
[10:22] <tisaak> hello everyone!
[10:22] <tck> ReleaseX, pm the results
[10:23] <Choubaka> goonie: launch ubuntu upgrade manager and use that to fix your sources list.
[10:23] <zhukov_> nobody? Help me out!!!
[10:23] <tisaak> i have a kernel-related question
[10:23] <mvirkkil> zhukov_: What's the problem?
[10:23] <tisaak> hoary comes with an i386-compiled kernel. would it be faster if i installed the linux-686 package with synaptic on my pentium iii?
[10:23] <pooper> lot of questions and few answers here
[10:23] <Choubaka> tisaak: possibly. :p
[10:23] <pooper> tisaak: a little
[10:23] <zxc> My monitor has come up generic and is awful :|
[10:23] <goonie> Choubaka~ what is the command for running the upgrade manager?
[10:24] <Choubaka> goonie: I wish I knew.
[10:24] <mvirkkil> tisaak: It might be (marginally) faster.
[10:24] <Choubaka> it should be in the menus
[10:24] <goonie> hehe
[10:24] <pooper> just type aptitude at the command line
[10:24] <pooper> its sinple
[10:24] <tisaak> if i install it with synaptic, is it also going to setup grub, etc?
[10:24] <Choubaka> duh.
[10:24] <pooper> simple
[10:24] <Choubaka> update-manager :p
[10:24] <mvirkkil> zhukov_: /msg me if you want help
[10:24] <tck> zhukov_, apt-get install gnome-panel
[10:24] <imperfect-> ubuntu still seems kinda slow on muh box
[10:25] <imperfect-> X takes a while to load and stuff
[10:25] <mvirkkil> imperfect-: Specs?
[10:25] <kengur> why doesn't visudo editing doesn't permit me to not enter password for sudo as in warty?
[10:25] <tisaak> if i install the 686-optimized kernel package with synaptic, is it also going to setup grub, etc?
[10:25] <goonie> update-manager doesn't do anything :(
[10:25] <pooper> tisaak: yes
[10:25] <Choubaka> goonie: run it with sudo
[10:25] <mvirkkil> tisaak: Yes
[10:25] <tisaak> ahhh... nice
[10:25] <imperfect-> mvirkkil : P4 3.6ghz, 10KRPM SATA drive, 1Gig of DDR400
[10:25] <Choubaka> Ok
[10:25] <tisaak> thnx pooper and mvirkkil
[10:25] <tck> kengur, try sudo -K and then try running visudo again
[10:25] <Choubaka> That should not have trouble.
[10:25] <pooper> i have an adaptec raid 1/0 controller...i built an raid1 array from two disk...when i run the installer it still shows both disks as installalable targets...what gives?
[10:25] <goonie> Choubaka~ I am
[10:26] <kengur> tch, thanks
[10:26] <mvirkkil> imperfect-: Heh.. Well, at least you should have enough horse power.
[10:26] <imperfect-> mvirkkil : nod
[10:26] <Choubaka> goonie: ah, does it open a window?
[10:26] <newbie> can I set a server with ubuntu?
[10:26] <imperfect-> mvirkkil : I've got the 686 SMP kernel installed so the hyper-thredding goodness should be going
[10:26] <Choubaka> goonie: see preferences
[10:26] <pooper> newbie: make sense
[10:26] <newbie> I mean, is solid enough?
[10:26] <imperfect-> newbie: it's serverific out tha box
[10:26] <Choubaka> goonie: And then remove all sources.
[10:26] <imperfect-> newbie: its as solid as debian ;)
[10:26] <pooper> linux is a server os
[10:26] <mvirkkil> imperfect-: Well, how exactly is it slow? After booting
[10:27] <Choubaka> goonie: then add
[10:27] <Choubaka> and tick all the sources :)
[10:27] <mz2> how'd i find out which version of inotify is currently in the hoary kernel?
[10:27] <imperfect-> mvirkkil : Uhm
[10:27] <imperfect-> mvirkkil : Dunno -- things don't pop ;)
[10:27] <imperfect-> mvirkkil : they need to pop!
[10:27] <imperfect-> THERE MUST BE POPPAGE
[10:27] <Dr_Aevil> newbie: yes, when you first boot off the isntall disk, press F1 to view the options.  One of the options is that if you enter "server" it will do a minimal install
[10:27] <tck> mz2, apt-cache search inotify
[10:27] <imperfect-> the updater thing broken dpkg
[10:28] <imperfect-> I had to run a fix
[10:28] <mvirkkil> imperfect-: Well, turning the volume up should crate more poppage ;-=
[10:28] <mz2> i hardly think that is going to work as it's just a kernel patch
[10:28] <imperfect-> cuz it just stopped udring the setup of update packaged
[10:28] <mvirkkil> imperfect-: :)
[10:28] <mz2> that's included in the defaul ubuntu kernel
[10:28] <imperfect-> mvirkkil : heh ;)
[10:28] <Choubaka> goonie: can you get it to work?
[10:29] <tck> mz2, well then why are you askin'
[10:29] <goonie> Choubaka~ no... kinda lost you there... did you mean preferences in synaptic?
[10:29] <imperfect-> ubuntu has issues with getting the default settings for xorg to work
[10:29] <Choubaka> no.
[10:29] <imperfect-> it was a pain in the ass to get my machine at home working
[10:29] <dockane> what do i need to add a dos bootdisk to grub ?
[10:29] <pooper> i have an adaptec raid 1/0 controller...i built an raid1 array from two disk...when i run the installer it still shows both disks as installalable targets...what gives?
[10:29] <imperfect-> and i installed it on a box here at work and it's stuck at 640x480
[10:30] <goonie> Choubaka~ preferences in what?
[10:30] <Choubaka> goonie: can you even start update-manager?
[10:30] <Dr_Aevil> mz2: I'm not sure if someone is making images with an updated inotify but it does tend to change regularly.  You're better off compiling your own if you want to play with development level stuff like beagle ('tis not really ready for general use yet imho)
[10:30] <goonie> Choubaka~ no
[10:30] <Choubaka> wtf.
[10:30] <goonie> Choubaka~ not even as root
[10:30] <Choubaka> what does it say?
[10:31] <goonie> the command isn't even there... update- (tab) lists a few commands but none of them is update-manager
[10:31] <kengur> what's the diff between graveman and gnome-baker?
[10:31] <Choubaka> goonie: weird.
[10:31] <dockane> i need to make a firmware update and the programm to do this requires dos, how do i get do booted ? floppy is not possible because i have to change the dvd for floppy
[10:31] <goonie> Choubaka~ I'll say
[10:31] <dockane> *dos
[10:31] <Choubaka> goonie: oh well
[10:31] <Choubaka> install it
[10:31] <Choubaka> apt-get install update-manager :)
[10:32] <dockane> btw the dvdrom firmware is what i want to flash
[10:34] <ailleantsian> what us the command line to install something ?
[10:34] <kengur> dpkg -i
[10:34] <goonie> Choubaka~ apt doesn't find update-manager
[10:35] <ailleantsian> thanks .. must be something wrong with something cause i was using that and it was erroring
[10:35] <Amaranth> goonie: Are you on hoary?
[10:35] <goonie> Amaranth~ no.. still on warty
[10:35] <Amaranth> goonie: That's why you don't have update-manager.
[10:35] <goonie> Amaranth~ lol.... don't I feel silly now
[10:35] <joshua__> Does gxine freeze up as soon as it goes fullscreen on any of you guys?
[10:36] <ailleantsian> will the dpkg -i work on tar.gz files?
[10:36] <goonie> I still don't understand why I can't add universe and multiverse in apt
[10:36] <kengur> ailleantsian, no it's .deb only
[10:37] <ailleantsian> how do i install something that comes  in the tar.gz files ... ?
[10:38] <Choubaka> goonie: gahh
[10:38] <Choubaka> OK.
[10:38] <kengur> ailleantsian, extract and possibly run make install
[10:38] <Choubaka> I'm going to give you a working sources.list.
[10:38] <Choubaka> Wait a bit :)
[10:38] <goonie> Choubaka~ thx a million
[10:39] <ailleantsian> ahhh i found the make install ... im sorry im new to this ... makefile what do i use to open it ?
[10:39] <LinuxJones> Hi everybody
[10:40] <Dr_Aevil> ailleantsian: you probably need to type ./configure first, if you're compiling, then make
[10:40] <rbrt> grr. I am about to kill everything looking like "J2RE".
[10:40] <Dr_Aevil> ailleantsian: depending on what it is, you may or may not want to run make install
[10:40] <tbird> rbrt, whats the prob ?
[10:40] <djp> can anybody tell me if the .mysql_history file is created when mysql is installed or is it created the first time you use the client?
[10:40] <rbrt> tbird, firefox crashes everytime I try to run a java applet.
[10:40] <kengur> ailleantsian, u better find out compiled .deb or .rpm (which you alien then)
[10:41] <ailleantsian> im trying to get my wlan card working and found a pcimca 2.6 pack to hopefully sort out the cardbus
[10:41] <rrfsh> somebody know how to make the bluetooth work please?
[10:42] <tbird> rbrt, do you have /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_02
[10:42] <b2s> djp: if there is a .mysql_history in /etc/skel, then it is created when a user is added, otherwise its probably when the client is run
[10:43] <Choubaka> hmm.
[10:43] <Choubaka> goonie: http://choubaka.no-ip.com/sources.list
[10:43] <rbrt> tbird, I have blackdown-j2re1.4
[10:43] <rbrt> as explained http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[10:43] <ailleantsian> im soooo confused !
[10:45] <ailleantsian> kengur,  do you mind if i pm you to get some assistance?
[10:45] <goonie> Choubaka~ thx... so all I should have to do is change hoary to warty and I'm done?
[10:45] <kengur> ailleantsian, if u don't mind asking a newbie =)
[10:45] <jordanau> ailleantsian, what is wrong
[10:45] <Choubaka> ah, right. you're using warty?
[10:45] <Choubaka> yeah.
[10:45] <jordanau> goonie, change them all
[10:45] <pooper> i have an adaptec raid 1/0 controller...i built an raid1 array from two disk...when i run the installer it still shows both disks as installalable targets...what gives?
[10:46] <Choubaka> hoary is nice though.
[10:46] <ailleantsian> kengur ... im a reallly really newborn im not even at the newbie stage lol
[10:46] <Choubaka> I see no reason to not upgrade :)
[10:46] <djp> b2s: it is located in the /home directory. i gather like you say though, it is probably created when the client is first run...
[10:46] <kengur> ailleantsian, i just use ubuntu to serf and watch movies, don't even do much programming except for py
[10:47] <goonie> Choubaka~ the problem is that i'm on a laptop that has dual boot.. and the windows part is for work and it's set up by the sysadmin and if the upgrade should mess anything up he'd be annoyed.... gonna clone the disk before I try to upgrade
[10:47] <Choubaka> goonie: ahh.
[10:48] <Choubaka> The Upgrade shouldn't mess with any settings though. :/
[10:48] <jordanau> the dist upgrade shouldn't effect a windows partition
[10:48] <ailleantsian> jordanau .. I have a pcimca wireless networkcard that isnt working .. its not picking it properly its picking it up as a block volume... i have looked on the net.. got the ndiswrapper and the drivers they say .. it says the drivers installed but doesnt say devise installed... so i looked to see if my cardbus was all working .. and found out there is a bit of a known problem so i downloaded this package .. and i am t
[10:48] <ailleantsian> rying to work out what to do with the file
[10:48] <nedim> well hello ppl
[10:48] <goonie> Choubaka~ in my experience.. what should work will definately fail... happens to me all the time hehe
[10:49] <Choubaka> Not with APT!
[10:49] <Choubaka> APT has super cow powers, you know
[10:49] <nedim> loving ubuntu
[10:49] <goonie> hehe
[10:49] <Choubaka> I don't know what they are, but they make it good!
[10:49] <zxc> I've mounted my fat32 partition, how do I access to files on it?
[10:49] <nedim> come on even I know that
[10:50] <shaya> is breezy started?
[10:50] <goonie> ok so I should just go for it... isn't there a how-to somewhere?
[10:50] <kengur> lol
[10:50] <shaya> i see empty dirs on archive.ubuntu.com
[10:50] <nedim> it should be automatic
[10:50] <tbird> zxc, you should be able to cd into the mounted dir
[10:50] <Choubaka> goonie: yeah.
[10:50] <jordanau> zxc, where did you mount it?
[10:50] <nedim> just do the mount automatically
[10:51] <Choubaka> all you should have to do is change warty to hoary in sources, and run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:51] <zxc> tbird, cd [what would I put here, I can change to suit me] 
[10:51] <Choubaka> then wait.
[10:51] <nedim> modify your /etc/fstab
[10:51] <Choubaka> and be done. :|
[10:51] <jordanau> it is probably somewhere is /media
[10:51] <tbird> zxc, do you have a mount point for the partition ?
[10:51] <jordanau> zxc, ^^
[10:51] <nedim> you can mount iy anwhere
[10:51] <zxc> jordanau, :D loving ubuntu
[10:51] <goonie> Choubaka I'll take your word for it, doing it now
[10:51] <rbrt> wtf is wrong with j2re? o_O
[10:52] <jordanau> zxc, did that do it?
[10:52] <zxc> tbird, what would a mount point look like roughly
[10:52] <nedim> check this page http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[10:52] <ailleantsian> jordanau : did what i say make sence?
[10:52] <tbird> zxc, when i mount i do something like mount /dev/hdx /mnt/somewhere
[10:52] <kengur> zxc, it's a dir
[10:52] <nedim> java works like a peach
[10:52] <jordanau> ailleantsian, yes that is beyond my knowledge, i just followed the original ndiswrapper wiki
[10:52] <graabein> ah yeah, just upgraded to hoary!
[10:52] <Choubaka> goonie: the worst it could do is overwrite your bootloader config, thus making you only able to boot ubuntu.
[10:52] <tbird> somewhere being the place you created for the partition to be mounted at
[10:52] <zxc> tbird, any command to check where it's mounted?
[10:53] <Choubaka> But that's easy to fix, and unlikely to happen in the first place :)
[10:53] <ailleantsian> jordan i downloaded something with the tar.gz ... and i dont know how to install it
[10:53] <tbird> zxc, chk in /etc/fstab
[10:53] <jordanau> zxc, whereis if you know what it is called
[10:53] <tbird> it should tell you
[10:53] <kishu> How can I disable grub without having to uninstall it?
[10:53] <Choubaka> overwrite the MBR? :p
[10:53] <Choubaka> or wherever grub is installed.
[10:54] <zxc> tbird, pastebin.com put it there
[10:54] <Choubaka> kishu: but you'll need a boot loader.
[10:54] <tbird> zxc, how did you mount it ?
[10:54] <kishu> yeah
[10:54] <kishu> I want to install bootmagic...
[10:54] <kishu> will it overwrite grub?
[10:54] <Choubaka> whazzat?
[10:54] <Choubaka> yeah.
[10:54] <Choubaka> probably
[10:55] <Choubaka> most likely.
[10:55] <Choubaka> etc.
[10:55] <kishu> lool
[10:55] <Piper2> 5.04 i386. Boots into console, startx blacks out screen. Can anyone tell me how to maybe start in a low resolution to get into the gui?
[10:55] <Choubaka> goonie: good luck with the upgrade in any case.
[10:55] <tbird> Piper2, did you try to reconfigure xorg
[10:55] <Choubaka> I'm going to sleep now. .)
[10:55] <kishu> is there a way to restore the mbr in case I fuck up other than reinstalling ubuntu?
[10:56] <jordanau> Piper2, www.pastebin.com you xorg.conf
[10:56] <dazed_> piper...did u install Gnome or KDE?
[10:56] <Piper2> tbird and jordanau: thanks, I'll read up on that up.
[10:57] <tbird> Piper2, ok good luck
[10:57] <jordanau> Piper2, i had something similar happen when i upgraded make sure your keyboard driver has a lowercase "k"
[10:57] <jordanau> Piper2, in xorg.conf
[10:57] <jordanau> Piper2, are you in linux now?
[10:57] <Piper2> jordanau: yeah, knoppix
[10:59] <jordanau> Piper2, you can use "irc" and "lynx" in terminal to find info without logging out of ubuntu
[10:59] <goonie> Choubaka~ how do i fix the bootloader config should things go wrong?
[10:59] <cowbud> is there a devel for ubuntu again yet? or are we still in freeze and that is why new packages are not coming down the pipelines?
[10:59] <Choubaka> goonie: back it up now.
[11:00] <xiaogil> When I run Terminal Server Client and try to connect to a distant computer, it always returns ERROR: mycomputername : unbale to resolve host. What does it mean, what should I do to make it work ?
[11:00] <Choubaka> it should be /etc/grub.conf or something if you're using grub
[11:00] <jmhodges> agh
[11:00] <tbird> Piper2, id try running xorgconfig again
[11:00] <jmhodges> somehow my /etc/cups/cupsd.conf got deleted
[11:00] <Choubaka> then, if it get overwritten, copy it back and run grub.
[11:00] <jmhodges> and now dpkg-reconfigure won't recreate it
[11:00] <jmhodges> it says that its been "edited"
[11:01] <cowbud> jmhodges: first remove it and reinstall it..
[11:01] <jmhodges> ok
[11:01] <cowbud> force remove rather..
[11:01] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/etiquette.png <--Ubuntu Desktop spam :)
[11:01] <jmhodges> cowbud: natch, can't believe i missed that easy of a solution
[11:02] <goonie> Choubaka~ it's /boot/grub/menu.lst right?
[11:02] <Choubaka> something like that.
[11:02] <jmhodges> thanks cowbud
[11:03] <goonie> Choubaka~ apt-get dist-upgrade says:The following packages will be upgraded:
[11:03] <goonie>   kdebase-bin kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-386
[11:03] <goonie> 5 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:03] <goonie> Need to get 31.0MB of archives.
[11:03] <goonie> is that normal?
[11:04] <Choubaka> goonie: hmm.
[11:04] <Choubaka> if you were upgrading from warty to hoary there'd have to be more packages to update :|
[11:04] <goonie> Choubaka~ I would have thougt so
[11:04] <Choubaka> did you change the sources to hoary? and did you run apt-get update? Are you sure you're running warty? :D
[11:05] <cuga> I need some help troubleshoot setting up my new Nvidia card, i had always had ATI's so im not quite sure where to check to make sure everything is ok, im on Hoary and whenever i run glxgears, after 5 secs the system locks up... running the latest nvidia drivers too... nobody answering me on #nvidia :(
[11:05] <goonie> Choubaka~ omg.. hang on :$
[11:07] <Striss> Hey all...I'm running Ubuntu on an older iMac and I was wondering if there's any way at all I can change the brightness/contrast of my screen?
[11:07] <pder> ubuntu kinda sucks
[11:07] <crimsun> help fix it.
[11:07] <goonie> pder~ why?
[11:07] <tbird> i have had no issues with Ubuntu
[11:07] <pder> goonie just kidding
[11:07] <Choubaka> me neither. .)
[11:08] <dazed> goonie what was ur command u used to upgrade?
[11:08] <Choubaka> ubuntu sucks all the goodness out of other distros
[11:08] <Choubaka> Well, not really.
[11:08] <dazed> and did u change ur repos?
[11:08] <goonie> Choubaka~ lol
[11:08] <delire> ..
[11:09] <goonie> dazed~ hang on.. made a clumsy mistake... trying again
[11:10] <kishu> how can I use a .diff diskette image?
[11:10] <Choubaka> diskette image? :|
[11:10] <goonie> right... upgrade on the way... now I have to remember how to config this wireless card using ndiswrapper... that'll take ages... again hehe
[11:11] <kishu> i downloaded a package that claims to have an image for a rescue diskette for grub
[11:11] <kishu> so i uncompress it
[11:11] <kishu> and there is a .diff file in it
[11:11] <libben> how does GDM starts gnome?
[11:11] <kishu> how can I use it to build a rescue diskette?
[11:12] <delire> pder: what aren't you liking
[11:12] <Choubaka> kishu: Hey. use the "file" utility on it
[11:12] <Choubaka> kishu: that'll tell you what it is
[11:13] <kishu> Where can I find this file utility
[11:13] <kishu> is it a console command
[11:13] <Choubaka> yes.
[11:15] <virtuald> does anyone know if it's possible to get flash to use esd?
[11:15] <DocUb> anyone using Irssi that has an auto identify command I can use?
[11:15] <dazed> goonie if its configed on warty it will be configed on hoary
[11:15] <goonie> dazed~ oh thank god hehe
[11:20] <kishu> Choubaka, the file tool just tells me that it's a "UTF-8 Unicode English with very long lines" file...
[11:20] <Choubaka> hmm.
[11:21] <Choubaka> then it's probably no disk image.
[11:21] <Choubaka> it may be a source patch.
[11:21] <Choubaka> open it in an editor.
[11:21] <kishu> I opened the file in an editor, and in the starting it says something about "make"
[11:22] <kishu> perhaps I need to make the file? I am new to linux and don't really know what it means
[11:22] <delire> virtuald: forget esd for anything other than system sounds. i would argue you should turn it off altogether.
[11:22] <tbird> kishu, what is it your trying to do ?
[11:23] <selinium> delire! how is it going? Are you on your Rosegarden pc?
[11:23] <goonie> Choubaka~ thx for all your help and patience.. I owe you one
[11:23] <kishu> I downloaded the package called grub-disk and it says it contains an image file for a rescue diskette
[11:23] <Choubaka> goonie: no problem.
[11:23] <delire> selinium: well, teaching alot. working on a sound server for an interactive project atm
[11:23] <Choubaka> Now I'm really going to go to sleep
[11:23] <kishu> The file is .diff
[11:23] <tbird> kishu, is there a README file?
[11:23] <Choubaka> it's 00:23 here :D
[11:23] <kishu> I don't know how to use it
[11:24] <kishu> Not really
[11:24] <kishu> It's just a .diff file
[11:24] <kishu> an image or something, I figure
[11:24] <virtuald> well my sound card can only play from one source and dmix only works for alsa enabled apps, aoss makes oss programs think my soundcard can only handle 8 kHz :/
[11:24] <selinium> delire: Cool, could you give me a hand sorting out my sound in a moment. I want to tinker with it again first?
[11:24] <delire> selinium: sadly not, it's midnight here and i need to hit the hay
[11:25] <tbird> thats a patch kishu
[11:25] <delire> selinium: i'll msg you with an email addr
[11:26] <delire> selinium: so mail me and i'll help you out tommorroq.
[11:26] <kishu> tbird, this is the description of the package: This package contains a GRUB rescue disk. It consists of a bootable
[11:26] <kishu> 1.44 floppy image you can use to grab a rescue disk or be run in an
[11:26] <kishu> i386 emulator, like Bochs.
[11:26] <selinium> delire, np I am going to catch some Z's soon myself! Cheers!
[11:26] <tbird> kishu, oh dunno then sorry
[11:27] <tbird> kishu, id imagine there should have been somesort of readme where you got it from to tell you how to run it
[11:27] <WiFi_Net_Guy> Hi, everyone. I'm using SuSE and considering moving to Ubuntu. I need wireless support...any luck?
[11:28] <kishu> tbird, it's from an official ubuntu server, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/admin/grub-disk
[11:28] <LinuxJones> WiFi_Net_Guy, you can have a look here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:28] <njan> WiFi_Net_Guy, wireless support is going to be pretty much the same in ubuntu as any linux distribution, if that's what you're asking
[11:29] <njan> WiFi_Net_Guy, although ubuntu are good enough to bundle ipw2100/2200 drivers, which some distros don't :)
[11:29] <WiFi_Net_Guy> Yeah. I am, njan. Thanks for the reply (you, too, LinuxJones). I'm pretty new to Linux and that's been a bear!
[11:30] <tbird> grub_0.95+cvs20040624.orig.tar.gz is wqhat you need i think
[11:30] <njan> WiFi_Net_Guy, :).. what sort of wireless card do you have?
[11:31] <tbird> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/grub-disk
[11:31] <WiFi_Net_Guy> njan, I've got a Toshiba Satellite notebook with the Atheros chipset.
[11:31] <njan> WiFi_Net_Guy, that will work with ubuntu out of the box afaik
[11:31] <njan> WiFi_Net_Guy, my wife's laptop has a (pcmcia) atheros card in it
[11:31] <xiaogil> How to log to a distant ubuntu in graphic mode ?
[11:31] <njan> WiFi_Net_Guy, and I've never had any problems *at all* with it
[11:32] <ailleantsian> i cant get my wlan card working :(
[11:32] <WiFi_Net_Guy> njan, great! Thanks for the information. Have you been happy with Ubuntu? It looks pretty good from the info I've read. Any comparison with SuSe?
[11:32] <zxc> when I'm doing stuff it keeps saying "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[11:32] <zxc> " how do I do this please?
[11:33] <dockane> sudo apt-get update maybe ?
[11:33] <kent> zxc, what "stuff" are you doing?  Do either as dockane says, or in synaptic, press the reload-button.
[11:34] <Koljonen> i just installed nullidentd, any ideas how to make it show my username instead of "foobar"? :o
[11:34] <zxc> I'm getting stuff listed of ubuntuguide
[11:34] <zxc> using terminal
[11:34] <LinuxJones> WiFi_Net_Guy, Ubuntu rocks you will notice a difference in speed and package managment is awesome
[11:35] <njan> WiFi_Net_Guy, SuSE is the only distribution I've never extensively used; I've only used it for servers, so I can't specifically comment re: desktop use
[11:35] <ailleantsian> if a chipset is made for redhat and suse is there any chance i can use it on dev?
[11:35] <WiFi_Net_Guy> LinuxJones, cool! Thanks. I'm using it in a dual-boot config with Winbloze but I never go there unless I HAVE TO!
[11:35] <kent> zxc, then you most likely forgot to run "sudo apt-get update" from the terminal AFTER you edited the sources.list file.  You need to update the list of packages which you can install..
[11:35] <ailleantsian> deb / ubuntu
[11:35] <njan> WiFi_Net_Guy, however, compared to every other desktop linux distribution I've used (most of them), it's spectacular. Quick, reliable, aesthetic.
[11:35] <LinuxJones> WiFi_Net_Guy, you should try the Live CD not as fast but you can test all of your hardware to see if it's compatable.
[11:35] <njan> yeah. What LinuxJones said :)
[11:36] <WiFi_Net_Guy> LinuxJones and njan, I'm downloading it as we speak.;)
[11:36] <LinuxJones> WiFi_Net_Guy, :)
[11:36] <kishu> tbird, I saw that one, but it's 3,5 MB, how can I get that on a floppy disk... I thought the diff was some kind of image or compressed thing
[11:36] <njan> Although technically the livecd is ~= knoppix, but that just demonstrates to what extent if something works with one new(ish) linux distro it'll work with another :p
[11:36] <zxc> kent, comes up with the same error again :/
[11:37] <rrfsh> hello  njan,
[11:37] <njan> hi, rrfsh
[11:37] <tbird> kishu, im sure theres some sort of extraction to a floppy
[11:37] <tbird> you just have to read the readme after you untar it
[11:38] <kent> zxc, then perhaps you have entered a server which dont respond/dont have files on them.  If some one wrote about a server which you can use, it might not be useable some time later. Could you paste your sources.list somewhere? it might be a spelling-error aswell (typo..)
[11:38] <rrfsh>  njan, i have a nokia 6630 and i want to connect it with my ubuntu via bluetoth
[11:38] <tbird> zxc, http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:XmNbmphb-KMJ:www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive+ubuntu+archive&hl=en
[11:39] <njan> rrfsh, I've never done it, sorry, don't know what it involves ;)
[11:39] <r0sk> we
[11:40] <r0sk> Anyone is with Xorg? howto set up click on touchpad?
[11:40] <femv> people i have a problem with ubuntu installed in my laptop
[11:40] <Sionide> femv, what is it? i got ubuntu on my laptop, bout to upgrade to hoary
[11:41] <Sionide> from the preview which i had on it
[11:41] <rrfsh> r0sk u have to install xserver-xorg-synaptics driver
[11:41] <femv> sionide , i did install hoary already... its giving a message at boot that sys unable to apply power .. psmia_socket0
[11:41] <r0sk> rrfsh, going to search :)
[11:41] <kevins> hi, i was just tryin to rip a cd into mp3 with grip but i don't know what encoder i need,any help please?
[11:42] <Sionide> hrm not seen that
[11:42] <femv> sionide, i read this is a known problem.... but havent found solution to it
[11:42] <zxc> kent, I put it at pastebin.com
[11:42] <kengur> kevins, lame
[11:42] <MMond> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden //  Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden  <-- happens when I "apt-get update" . . . any hints on how I should go about dealing with this?
[11:43] <elem3nt> Hi! when I try to bring my nas0 interface (which shows in ifconfig nas0), I get this output : ignoring interface nas0=nas0 doesnt exist or something. What could be the problem?
[11:43] <femv> sionide , i also have a problem with the screen im getting a lot of dirt and lines before starting up gnome and after closing
[11:43] <kdp> i made my own GAIM package in order to get backtrace data, but now the update-notifier tells me i should update gaim...will the settings be kept intact?
[11:44] <femv> How do i install a .deb file ?
[11:44] <dazed> elem3nt, have u set up ur nas0 conn yet?
[11:44] <dazed> femv you can use dpkg commands or use a program such as mc
[11:44] <kengur> femv, dpkg -i some.deb
[11:45] <kent> kdp, a new package wont change your personal configuration of gaim. Like acount info etc.
[11:45] <elem3nt> what do you mean by 'set up'? Ive run br2684ctl, and I get the output : ... "interface nas0 configured" is there more to it?
[11:45] <femv> kengur, -i is for install?
[11:45] <kdp> i.e. will the updated gaim have debugging enables
[11:46] <kdp> kent: when you say "personal configuration", do that include debugging information?
[11:46] <elem3nt> dazed, what do you mean by 'set up'? Ive run br2684ctl, and I get the output : ... "interface nas0 configured" is there more to it?
[11:47] <dazed> shouldnt be
[11:47] <kent> kdp, no.. i guess the debugging stuff is a feature of the package it  self (from the compilation). If you compiled your own gaim, then you can "fool" apt by giving it a newer version, perhaps..  ?
[11:47] <femv> dazed .... dpkg is giving me a dependency problem
[11:47] <femv> how can i find out what does it need
[11:47] <dazed> apt-get -f install
[11:47] <kengur> femv, yes
[11:48] <elem3nt> dazed got any suggestions ? where to seek or what to try..
[11:48] <kdp> kent: any ideas how to accomplish this?
[11:48] <dazed> elem3nt, that should be it but goto ur network admin tool from gnome and see if ur nas0 is on there
[11:48] <camden> howdy folks.
[11:49] <dazed> u might also need to restart ur network controllers
[11:49] <kdp> from texas, camden?
[11:49] <camden> nope, alaska.
[11:49] <kdp> wow, way off
[11:49] <elem3nt> dazed its not there, and Im talking about a usb-adsl modem. same procedure?
[11:49] <camden> why'd you ask?
[11:49] <kdp> b/c im from texas. and we always get the howdy thing.
[11:50] <Lefungus> hello
[11:50] <dazed> ahhh its a usb modem
[11:50] <camden> ahh
[11:50] <Lefungus> I have an issue with autotools and ubuntu
[11:50] <camden> we alaskans are like cold texans.
[11:50] <Lefungus> by default, ubuntu seems to use -g in the cflags
[11:50] <Lefungus> so my autotools script put -g in the compilation process
[11:50] <dazed> elem3nt, i really wouldnt know what to tell you cuz that deals with your hotplugs as well and using them like a network controller ... i really dont know how to help with that
[11:50] <Lefungus> I don't want it to build debug libraries
[11:51] <crimsun> Lefungus: that's the default for Debian and thus, Ubuntu.
[11:51] <Lefungus> but I'd like to allow the user to enter his own cflags if needed
[11:51] <elem3nt> ok, thanks anyway.
[11:51] <camden> so... I actually have a quick question. I've heard that hoary hedgehog has build in ati drivers... how do I set this up?
[11:51] <kent> kdp, learn how to use "apt-get source"  (apt-get source gaim". Then make a new .deb out of it, compiled with debugging enabled.. perhaps?  This should give you the same versionnumber as the one in the archive, and that way it might work.. but im no expert :)
[11:51] <crimsun> Lefungus: there's nothing stopping the user from entering his own CFLAGS
[11:52] <kdp> kent: i actually did this...and its still telling me im outdated...hm
[11:52] <Lefungus> how ? my script either hardcode the cflags or use the default ones
[11:52] <Lefungus> and if I use the defaults, -g is here
[11:52] <crimsun> Lefungus: then update your script to accept $(CFLAGS)
[11:52] <femv> how can i install this : tcltls ?? can apt look it up for me ?
[11:52] <crimsun> femv: packages.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <Lefungus> is it different from $(CFLAGS) ?
[11:52] <Lefungus> I mean $CFLAGS
[11:53] <crimsun> Lefungus: $(CFLAGS) is picked up from env
[11:53] <dazed> femv: apt-cache search tcltls
[11:53] <kent> kdp, that is strange. But why do you want debugging enabled? I meen, it can be a feauture some times, but if its fixed, or you dont know of any more bugs.. then it couldn't be needed could it?
[11:53] <Lefungus> crimsun, then it'll pick '-g' too
[11:53] <dazed> femv: then use apt-get install <app> to install the app it returns
[11:54] <crimsun> Lefungus: the correct way is to strip the binary after it's compiled
[11:54] <elem3nt> dazed one more thing, do you know someone who could know something about usb-adsl modems?
[11:54] <Lefungus> crimsun, that's interesting, i wasn't aware you could strip debug info after compilation
[11:54] <dazed> elem3nt, might try asking a few peeps in here...but most people i know use networking cards...never used a usb modem even on windows
[11:54] <vessuvius81> has anyone resorted to using linuxant driverloader to get their wireless card up?  I'm considering it as a last resort.
[11:55] <kdp> kent: i filed a bug report where gaim was crashing after aborted receiving files
[11:55] <dazed> elem3nt, i believe it gets setup through ur com ports though
[11:55] <kengur> elem3nt, yes, his name is Eithernet ADSL
[11:55] <crimsun> back later.
[11:55] <kdp> and they asked for a backtrace
[11:56] <_edulix> hi !
[11:58] <holycow> does anyone know how to change the refresh rate for the resolution at which gdm starts up in?
[11:58] <holycow> it would be great to switch to 75hz from 60hz
[11:59] <taddeus> hi all
[11:59] <camcorder> is there any problem w/ ubuntu, that link goes down after some time, and when i hook the switch connection comes back?
[11:59] <taddeus> i would like to install ubuntu: which version should i download ?
[11:59] <goldfish> hoary
[12:00] <_edulix> I have a laptop, and acpi activated. sometimes it gets heated, fans start to spin and in that moment cpu throttling raises to 75% and I cannot move it to 0% as I would like