[12:08] <Boogieman> n8
[12:16] <argoth> hey guys, could anyone help? I've got a problem configuring xorg. the problem is my radeon 9600
[12:17] <Tm_T> oh, what a surprise
[12:17] <Riddell> argoth: you might find more luck in #ubuntu since it's not KDE specific
[12:17] <argoth> ok, thx
[12:17] <Tm_T> problem with ati :p
[12:17] <Tm_T> not that new
[12:17] <argoth> well it worked all fine on gentoo .. but I got sick compiling everything :-)
[12:19] <argoth> well then, i'm on my way to the ubuntu channel. enjoy
[12:19] <Tm_T> :)
[12:46] <darkaudit> andrewski: rember the other night when you asked if I had duplicate menu entries in GNOME after running update-menus?
[12:46] <darkaudit> er remember
[12:47] <darkaudit> I've got the Debian menu now, and no duplicates :)
[12:47] <trans_err> hmm amarok segfaults, xmms segfaults, but I can run ESD and use mpg321
[12:48] <trans_err> mplayer segfaults too
[12:53] <_alex> hi everyone!
[12:53] <_alex> can someone please tell me how to install kdiskfree on kubuntu ?
[12:54] <RandomWhim> Hmmm
[12:56] <_alex> i cannot find kdiskfree in kynaptic
[01:00] <Riddell> _alex: kdf
[01:03] <CygnusX1> Good evening.  This is my second daily attempt at this.  I am trying to install, from CD, Kubuntu 5.04 on an Asus A7N8x DLX (nforce2), SATA drive.  I am receiving an error that indicated my CD-ROM is not an UBUNTU CD (the checksum is good.)  The problem appears to be that several IDE modules are not loading for whatever reason.  Does anyone have a clue for me?
[01:05] <membreya> what type of cdrom is it ?
[01:05] <CygnusX1> CDROM drive?
[01:05] <membreya> yes the cddrive
[01:05] <membreya> is it IDE, SCSI, SATA?
[01:06] <CygnusX1> I have a Sony DVD drive, Philips CDR-RW drive, and a Pioneer DVDR-RW....I tried all three...with all three failing, do you need model numbers?
[01:06] <CygnusX1> tIDE CD/DVD drives.
[01:06] <_alex> Riddell: thank you, that was what I was looking for !
[01:06] <Zugot> i really wish konq had that nifty find bar that firefox has
[01:06] <CygnusX1> I boot into the installer, then, the failure occurs when seraching for the package CD.
[01:07] <membreya> no CygnusX1 .....I'm not sure if it's failing and saying it's not a proper disk
[01:07] <membreya> your SATA drive would be taken care of with sata_nv
[01:07] <membreya> have you tried redownloading the ISO ?
[01:07] <CygnusX1> membreya, I could do that, but the md5sum is good.
[01:09] <CygnusX1> I am mounting the CD now and will run a checksum on all the files on the CD.
[01:12] <darkaudit> CygnusX1: md5 on the iso, or on the burned CD?
[01:13] <CygnusX1> darkaudit, the iso md5sum was fine...I am verifying the files on the burned CD now...
[01:13] <darkaudit> CygnusX1: ok... dounds to me like the download was good, but the burn had errors...
[01:13] <darkaudit> er sounds
[01:16] <CygnusX1> It is still running...my apologies for not checking that first.  I haven't burnt a bad CD in six years. :-)
[01:16] <CygnusX1> It is done...all files are fine...CD is good, ISO is good.
[01:19] <CygnusX1> I have found someone with the same issue on the forum: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25153
[01:32] <Zugot> i've noticed something...
[01:32] <Zugot> when i search for something in konq... i get different urls as for when i make the same search in firefox...
[01:32] <Zugot> weird
[01:32] <Zugot> i think they are tracking my use with an url
[01:32] <Zugot> anyone else noticed this?
[01:37] <sorin> Has anyone got a link to a deb for KWrite?
[01:38] <coreymon77> sorin: just use apt
[01:40] <sorin> it's not there
[01:42] <pv> install kate
[01:43] <SpookyET|Kubuntu> i got Kate. 
[01:48] <jsubl2> i wonder if it would work out okay to had debian source repos to make it easy to build the few missing things
[01:48] <jsubl2> s/had/add
[01:54] <jsubl2> course debian is behind so it probably would not matter anyway
[01:57] <cartel_> sorin: if you have kate you have kwrite
[01:57] <jsubl2> yeah about that.  it just is not in the menu
[01:58] <cartel_> reportbug
[02:01] <Loke> does anyone know where to find digikam debs? Ive only managed to find v0.7 and nowhere is kipiplugins packed
[02:01] <allee> Loke: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/ubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php
[02:02] <SpookyET|Kubuntu> Is it normal for KDE components to be crashing? kdesktop, konqueror, taskbar.... 
[02:02] <allee> Oh  s/ubu/kubu/:  http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php
[02:06] <EricColeman> Hello Everyone
[02:06] <Blissex> SpookyET|Kubuntu: thats quite unlikely, they tend to be pretty reliable.
[02:06] <EricColeman> is there something special I need to do to get USB to work in kubuntu?
[02:06] <treke> should "just work"
[02:06] <EricColeman> how do I "make" it work?
[02:06] <Blissex> SpookyET|Kubuntu: frequent crashes may have two causes: faulty hardware or some wrong/incompatible libraries installed.
[02:07] <SpookyET|Kubuntu> Maybe it's vmware's fault.
[02:07] <SpookyET|Kubuntu> But for example, if i try to play a di.fm link, amaroK crashes.
[02:19] <joseluis1mx> #torreon
[03:09] <CygnusX1> Would anyone know how to launch the Kubuntu installation from a Knoppix bootcd?
[03:15] <Leif-> CygnusX1: well, Kubuntu is a whole distribution based on Ubuntu, it's not related to Knoppix
[03:16] <Leif-> you need to get the Kubuntu ISO in order to install it
[03:16] <CygnusX1> Leif-, I understand, however, the Kubuntu bootcd will not work on my system.
[03:16] <propagandhi83> or just install the kde packages with the standard ubuntu install and synaptic
[03:17] <CygnusX1> I found a blog where some whiz had the same problem and used (I think) a Fedora bootcd to get started.
[03:18] <shad0w1e> question: I upgraded from warty to kubuntu and I no longer have a trash on the desktop. how do I get it back?
[03:19] <shad0w1e> from warty + KDE to kubuntu (is more like it)
[03:20] <\sh> shad0w1e: u have the trash in the panel
[03:31] <kkathman> good evening all (or whatever time of day it is where you are) :)
[03:35] <\sh> morning ;)
[03:36] <darkaudit> a week ago last Thursday ;D
[03:39] <sorin> What's the difference between "printer model" and "printer model gdi"?
[03:39] <sorin>  For example ML-1430 and ML-1430 gdi.
[03:44] <shad0w1e> how do I add trash to my desktop?
[03:45] <shad0w1e> ok never mind that. i got it figured..
[03:48] <shad0w1e> ok how do I add a live trash to my desktop that changes when its full / empty ?
[03:56] <_antonio> hi friends i just installed kubuntu on my computer, and the only available screen resolution is 640x480. I have an AOC 17" monitor
[03:57] <_antonio> could anyone help me to get 1024 resolution?
[03:58] <_hayden> what can i type in a terminal to see what samba network shares are available?
[03:59] <kkathman> _hayden:  goto konqueror and choose Network files
[03:59] <kkathman> -hayden: sorry Network Folders
[04:00] <kkathman> _hayden: Network Folders I mean
[04:00] <_antonio> kkathman could you help me the screen resolution?
[04:01] <BlackLabel> i just got told -> smbtree 
[04:01] <kkathman> _antonio what do you need?
[04:02] <_antonio> i just installed kubuntu 20 mins ago, and the screen resolution is only 640x480 resolution 
[04:02] <_antonio> i have an AOC 17" monitor
[04:03] <_antonio> two weeks ago i had installed ubuntu and the screen resolution was 1024, but now
[04:03] <_antonio> i do not know what happens on kubuntu
[04:03] <kkathman> _antonio: odd, you should have gotten an option to set the resolution during the install
[04:04] <coreymon77> antonio: right click on the desktop, click on "configure desktop" then on the side pannel click display and there you will have the option of changing the resolution
[04:05] <_antonio> i was watching the whole installation process, but i did not see anthing
[04:06] <_antonio> is there a way to fix that?
[04:06] <_antonio> please
[04:06] <coreymon77> antonio: right click on the desktop, click on "configure desktop" then on the side pannel of the window that pops up click display and there you will have the option of changing the resolution
[04:06] <kkathman> _antonio: you can change the parameters in your xorg.conf file
[04:07] <kkathman> in the monitor section
[04:07] <coreymon77> kkathman: my ways much easier
[04:08] <_antonio> Section "Monitor"
[04:08] <_antonio>         Identifier      "Monitor genrico"
[04:08] <_antonio>         Option          "DPMS"
[04:08] <_antonio>         HorizSync       28-49
[04:08] <_antonio>         VertRefresh     43-72
[04:08] <_antonio> EndSection
[04:08] <coreymon77> _antonio: listen to me
[04:08] <_antonio> Section "Screen"
[04:08] <kkathman> _antonio: try this thread it might help:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21984&highlight=change+screen+resolution
[04:08] <_antonio>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[04:08] <coreymon77> listen!
[04:08] <_antonio>         Device          "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video"
[04:08] <_antonio>         Monitor         "Monitor genrico"
[04:08] <_antonio>         DefaultDepth    24
[04:08] <_antonio>         SubSection "Display"
[04:08] <_antonio>                 Depth           1
[04:08] <_antonio>                 Modes           "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[04:08] <_antonio>         EndSubSection
[04:09] <_antonio>         SubSection "Display"
[04:09] <_antonio>                 Depth           4
[04:09] <coreymon77> ANTONIO!
[04:09] <_antonio> that is part of my xorg.conf
[04:09] <_antonio> excuse me is this :
[04:09] <kkathman> coreymon77: yah probably...I didnt know if he had kde up tho
[04:09] <_antonio> Section "Monitor"
[04:09] <_antonio>         Identifier      "CT720g"
[04:09] <_antonio>         Option          "DPMS"
[04:09] <_antonio> EndSection
[04:09] <_antonio> Section "Screen"
[04:09] <_antonio>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[04:09] <_antonio>         Device          "Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset
[04:09] <coreymon77> antonio: do you have kde running?
[04:09] <_antonio>  Integrated Graphics Device"
[04:09] <_antonio>         Monitor         "CT720g"
[04:09] <_antonio>         DefaultDepth    24
[04:10] <_antonio>         SubSection "Display"
[04:10] <_antonio>                 Depth           1
[04:10] <_antonio>                 Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:10] <_antonio>         EndSubSection
[04:10] <_antonio>         SubSection "Display"
[04:10] <kkathman> _antonio:  lol you can do it really simple like corey says if you have KDE running ok
[04:10] <_antonio>                 Depth           4
[04:10] <_antonio>                 Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:10] <_antonio>         EndSubSection
[04:10] <_antonio>         SubSection "Display"
[04:10] <_antonio> yes corey
[04:10] <_antonio> tell me
[04:10] <_antonio> yes
[04:10] <kkathman> lol
[04:10] <_antonio> in fact i am using kconversation
[04:10] <_antonio> but everything is TOO big
[04:10] <kkathman> ahhh ok then corey had the best approach
[04:10] <coreymon77> _antonio: right click on the desktop, click on "configure desktop" then on the side pannel of the window that pops up click display and there you will have the option of changing the resolution
[04:11] <kkathman> right click desktop -> Configure Desktop -> click Display
[04:11] <coreymon77> ya
[04:11] <_antonio> friends, i tried that but the only avavailable screen resolution is 640x480
[04:11] <smouche> I wish that panel, or anything in the gui, permitted changing color depth too
[04:12] <kkathman> coreymon77: what I was worried about was that he said it was ok before...so I didnt know if the xorg got corrupted somehow
[04:12] <smouche> I find it absurd that one has to edit xorg just to do that...
[04:12] <jsubl2> maybe he needs to cut the color depth back to 16 or lower depending on vid card
[04:12] <coreymon77> smouche: you generally dont
[04:12] <_antonio> friends my kubuntu installation is fresh
[04:12] <_antonio> it has only one hour age
[04:12] <smouche> coreymon77, ?
[04:12] <kkathman> smouche: normally you wouldnt, the new hoary install gives you the option on what resolutions you want to include
[04:12] <smouche> where do you change color depth settings then?
[04:13] <smouche> I'm not talking about resolution
[04:13] <kkathman> smouche: if you just rifle past that screen,  all you get is the lowest resolution
[04:13] <smouche> sorry, this is not clear to me.
[04:14] <coreymon77> kkathman: sorry but you are on your own for this
[04:14] <coreymon77> this is beyond my knowledge
[04:14] <smouche> to change 22 bit color to 16 (really, I wanted 32, but the system wouldn't accept it) I had to edit xorg.conf
[04:15] <smouche> 22 bits looked awful for some reason, 16 looks better, in windows I use 32 for this machine, go figure!
[04:15] <coreymon77> smouche: small price to pay for not having to use windoxe (*shudders in disgust and fear*) anymore ;)
[04:16] <shad0w1e> how come my package manager isnt picking up on kdebase3-extra ?
[04:16] <smouche> well, I woudn't care coreymon77 , but most of kde's wallpaper and background color effects use gradients, and gradients look horrible
[04:16] <smouche> on here without 32 bit color
[04:16] <kkathman> _antonio: im not sure what the prob is, what you might do is since you did install just recently, try installing the hoary release final, completely, THEN apt-get the kubuntu desktop...that way the hoary install will preset the valid configurations of your screen (i dont know that the kbuntu disk install does that
[04:16] <smouche> just this machine; other laptop and crt are fine with whatever
[04:16] <coreymon77> again, small price to pay
[04:17] <coreymon77> in my opinion
[04:17] <kkathman> I have heard a few probs with the kbuntu install disk
[04:18] <kkathman> but someone more experienced than me might could help more
[04:18] <kkathman> _antonio: you might try that thread link I gave you earlier too
[04:18] <smouche> coreymon77, really, I know I'm a mutant, but I don't care about linux over windows superiority - yawn- that war's won
[04:18] <kkathman> here it is again: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21984&highlight=change+screen+resolution
[04:19] <coreymon77> kkathman: my tip with kubuntu, install ubuntu with an install iso then install kubuntu via apt
[04:19] <shad0w1e> why can't I access devices or network in KDE sidebar ?
[04:19] <kkathman> coreymon77: thats what I said earlier and I agree :)
[04:20] <kkathman> shad0w1e: use Konqueror
[04:20] <coreymon77> kkathman: my kubuntu was really screwed up (in fact it wouldnt work i had to use windoze *shudders again*)
[04:21] <coreymon77> so thats what i did, and not only did it work, but my computer is also wwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy faster than it was before
[04:21] <kkathman> coreymon77: yep had the same experience
[04:21] <shad0w1e> kkathman: I meant that. it don't wor
[04:21] <shad0w1e> work*
[04:22] <smouche> I had the opposite situation, coreymon77 -- wasn't happy with ubuntu to kde upgrade; using kubuntu rc and upgrading from there worked best for me
[04:22] <coreymon77> okay
[04:22] <kkathman> shad0w1e: so you arent seeing your network from konqueror when you click on Network Folders?
[04:22] <coreymon77> well if thats better for you
[04:22] <coreymon77> thats fine
[04:22] <coreymon77> im not arguing
[04:23] <smouche> I thought shad0w1e was talking about the "universal sidebar" that you can add from the panel menu, kkathman
[04:24] <smouche> oops
[04:24] <shad0w1e> I get protocal not supported: devices
[04:24] <shad0w1e> same with network
[04:24] <smouche> I mean the sidebar in konq-- yeah, don't think you can get to network folders with that either.
[04:24] <kkathman> smouche:  Something new to me...I dont know about any universal sidebar :)
[04:24] <shad0w1e> grr.... kde 3.4 is really pissing me off
[04:25] <shad0w1e> my home is gone from on bottom. trash is missing from desktop
[04:25] <smouche> (I don't know, I don't let konq show that sidebar anyway-- it crashed konqueror on my system)
[04:25] <shad0w1e> its running a LOT faster though...
[04:25] <smouche> heh heh
[04:25] <stelt> anybody experience with multi-monitor?
[04:25] <smouche> something  I love about this distro is that there's no trash icon on desktop!
[04:25] <kkathman> shad0w1e: could be you chose a bad iconset :)  I did that once :)
[04:26] <shad0w1e> I want my trash on the desktop. how do i put it there?
[04:27] <smouche> shad0w1e, there is a "my home" icon nested in the "system menu" icon, which should be in your bottom taskbar, by default
[04:27] <shad0w1e> well its not
[04:27] <shad0w1e> its not in system either
[04:29] <smouche> how ya doing tonight, kkathman?
[04:29] <BlackLabel> how can i mount smb shares on startup without having to type in a password for each share it tries to mount
[04:29] <membreya> BlackLabel: edit your fstab
[04:29] <BlackLabel> yea i guessed that
[04:30] <membreya> BlackLabel: mine is set to //192.168.0.4/MP3s     /media/remotemp3s  smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,defaults       0       0
[04:31] <shad0w1e> theres no "home" icon anywhere....why?
[04:31] <coreymon77> shad0w1e: your home button is in the system folder (the computer icon thing) and you can just drag it from there and the trash button is on the kmenu
[04:31] <BlackLabel> it was the smbcredentials i didnt no about
[04:31] <BlackLabel> dw i found a site anyway
[04:31] <kkathman> is anyone having problems getting to kde-look.org ??
[04:31] <smouche> he claims he doesn't have a system icon on there, coreymon77 
[04:32] <shad0w1e> its not in system
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: yeah, can't connect.
[04:32] <coreymon77> well then
[04:32] <shad0w1e> I had ubuntu + kde, I put in kubuntu and all my stuff's disappeared!
[04:32] <kkathman> smouche:  I am well and how bout yerself?
[04:32] <coreymon77> is there a konqueror button there
[04:32] <kkathman> hey LeeJunFan  how are you?
[04:32] <shad0w1e> in system? no
[04:32] <shad0w1e> on bottom. yes
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> not too bad. I see ati finally has an update for fglrx! :) hoping I can compile for 2.6.11 now.
[04:33] <BlackLabel> membreya: do u know about ifplugd?
[04:33] <smouche> eh, can't complain, kkathman, a little groggy from too long a nap
[04:33] <membreya> nope, sorry
[04:33] <membreya> oh yeah ..hi kkathman :P
[04:34] <kkathman> hey membreya  how are you tonight?
[04:34] <kkathman> nap sounds good :)
[04:34] <kkathman> hehe
[04:34] <smouche> shad0w1e, what coreymon77 and I are trying to tell you by referring to "system" is the "system menu" icon, near the K icon , on the bottom panel
[04:34] <smouche> if it's not there, just right click the panel, and add it.
[04:35] <shad0w1e> I have a K, a "show desktop", a "settings", a terminal, and konq. thats it
[04:35] <BlackLabel> hm
[04:36] <shad0w1e> ohh
[04:36] <shad0w1e> I added system
[04:36] <shad0w1e> and home is in there. thank you
[04:36] <smouche> np
[04:36] <shad0w1e> where does system belong?
[04:37] <shad0w1e> right to the right of the K ?
[04:37] <shad0w1e> (dont ask, i care)
[04:37] <GenericQueen> yes
[04:38] <shad0w1e> man this is way different than 3.2
[04:38] <smouche> sure is, shad0w1e - a huge improvement, I think
[04:38] <smouche> faster, anyway, isn't it?
[04:38] <shad0w1e> well its running a LOT faster
[04:38] <shad0w1e> oh yea
[04:38] <smouche> lol
[04:39] <shad0w1e> I wont notice it on my 1800+ but it is def noticable on my p2 266
[04:39] <shad0w1e> konqueror also ripped off the firefox search bar
[04:39] <shad0w1e> thast new
[04:42] <shad0w1e> is there any way I can have the settings icon be on the "system places" icon, but to pop out like a menu (not click on)
[04:43] <Red_Tide> hey does /lib/modules/2.6.10/build/include/linux/version.h exist in kubuntu?
[04:50] <shad0w1e> thanks guys, I think I'm good
[04:53] <jsubl2> does kubuntu have a mail list
[04:56] <shad0w1e> by default when I click "home", or "trash" it opens as a new tab in an existing konq window. any way to make it open a new window?
[04:58] <shad0w1e> bah. i got it. 
[04:58] <lexhider> It seems I can't change kdm settings, KControl->SysAdmin->LoginMan->Administrator Mode, I can't get into admin mode.
[04:58] <shad0w1e> i had that prob. yesterday
[04:59] <shad0w1e> then it fixed itself
[04:59] <shad0w1e> what I did:
[04:59] <shad0w1e> I went into konsole and executed it from su
[05:02] <lexhider> does have the goal of being usable without a root user account via sudo, like ubuntu does?
[05:07] <CygnusX1> Anyone on Comcast
[05:09] <smouche> lexhider, I had the same problem with not getting into Admin Mode, from some tabs in SysAdmin -- annoying as hell.
[05:10] <_foobar> howdy all
[05:11] <smouche> and there are other programs too that I have to open via su in konsole, like shad0wle said, like kpackage, or it won't accept my password
[05:11] <smouche> also, kuser won' t let me add users; that gui is useless for me, have to adduser in konsole...
[05:12] <_foobar> how can you add an alias ip to your nic in kubuntu??
[05:13] <smouche> but the answer to your question, lexhider is - yes -- no root logins in (k)ubuntu, just sudo
[05:15] <lexhider> smouche: so kdm config issue is bug?
[05:18] <smouche> lexhider, it seems buggy to me, but it might be my inexperience...
[05:20] <smouche> anyway, it seems as if sometimes the gui really expects a root login, and hasn't been completely adapted to letting "regular user" with sudoer privileges use "Administrative mode" --
[05:21] <smouche> but I'm confused as hell about this; maybe the wiki has discussion.  I haven't checked the bug reports
[05:22] <membreya> hmmm, what's the kcore file for in /proc/ ?
[05:31] <membreya> nevermind, it's a virtual memory file :)
[05:38] <kkathman> back after a great dinner :)
[05:40] <stelt> why can i use my userpw as rootpw in gui?
[05:42] <wpyle> the root user is disabled by default, so its that way for convinience, I think.
[05:43] <kkathman> you can get to root if you really want to
[05:43] <kkathman> but not much reason...just precede with "sudo"  but watch permissions
[05:43] <wpyle> I'm about to install kubuntu again, did they fix the USB mounting problem since the preview release?
[05:44] <kkathman> wpyle: I would suggest that you install hoary 5.4 final, then apt-get the kubuntu-desktop
[05:45] <kkathman> I think they are still having a few issues with the kubuntu install disk
[05:45] <stelt> you're misunderstanding: in console, when i do "su" i need to type my rootpw as expected. However if i'm asked for my rootpw because of some action in GUI, my rootpw doesn't work, but when i type my userpw that DOES work
[05:46] <kkathman> stelt: just issue the command at the terminal...example   sudo gedit filename
[05:46] <kkathman> that launches gedit and gives you appropriate permissions
[05:47] <wpyle> ah, thanks I'll try that. I actually was able to get it to mount manually, but all the USB files were in DOS 8.3 format
[05:47] <smouche> stelt, sorry I missed beginning of this, but there is no "root password" unless you created one.
[05:47] <BlackLabel> anyone reccommend any cool apps to install
[05:47] <BlackLabel> im bored
[05:47] <wpyle> apt-get install frozen-bubble
[05:47] <kkathman> Lol
[05:47] <kkathman> frozen bubble eh?
[05:48] <wpyle> straightforward addictive arcade, good times
[05:49] <smouche> is there a sym city clone for linux?
[05:49] <smouche> or prince of persia, now there was a game!
[05:49] <chavo> frozen-bubble rocks!
[05:49] <stelt> smouche: i've been playing with Kuser (which keeps crashing by the way) and i DO need a rootpw when i do "su" in console, my userpw really doesn't work then as it should. I'd like it the same way in GUI, cause i don't want ordinary users to do root stuff
[05:49] <BlackLabel> is there a way i can see a bigger display picture of ppl in a chat window in kopete?
[05:50] <kkathman> BlackLabel: have you tried the new "Clear" theme thats available at kde-look.org?
[05:50] <smouche> stelt, i had the same problem with Kuser.  And with kpackage.  And with power settings in the gui.  Ad nauseum.  It's f^*5cked up!
[05:51] <BlackLabel> kkathman: nope, ill take a look
[05:51] <smouche> I'm just doing my best to learn the konsole commands for this stuff.
[05:51] <smouche> the gui is very defective in some areas.
[05:51] <kkathman> BlackLabel: I installed it today, and you get a bigger pic
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> BlackLabel: no you wont. kdelook is down.
[05:51] <wpyle> just "sudo passwd root" and type in your pw, and root user should become active
[05:52] <smouche> I'm lucky though stelt, 'cause I'm the only user, I can work around ok...
[05:52] <smouche> but I wasted too much time in kuser! damn it! 
[05:54] <kkathman> what does kuser supposed to do?
[05:54] <kkathman> I never used it
[05:55] <smouche> just a gui for adduser, or useradd, whatever, kkathman
[05:55] <stelt> kuser is for setting pw's and rights, etc. creating users, usergroups
[05:55] <smouche> useful for newbies, if it worked.
[05:55] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:56] <smouche> I'm sorry stelt was haaving problems with it, but I'm kind of glad that I can confirm that I'm not insane!
[05:56] <kkathman> smouche:  you are insane, but just agree with him :)
[05:56] <kkathman> j/k
[05:57] <smouche> frankly, sometimes I think the dev's , being command-line masters themselves, don't always check out the gui tools as thouroughly as they might.
[05:57] <smouche> The admin stuff is horrible.
[05:57] <wpyle> stelt, try "sudo passwd root", type in your passwd, and Kuser again
[05:58] <kkathman> well its possible...but alot of us learn (or should learn) the console early enough, that we dont use GUI to do alot of things other than major applications I guess
[05:58] <kkathman> I imagine that I do about 75% of everything from the terminal ... but run konversation and the browser stuff of course in the GUI
[05:58] <smouche> kkathman, which kind of begs the question -- why are the tools offered, and if offered, shouldn't they be as reliable as running from the console?
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> smouche: I know I don't. When someone asks me how to do something it usually starts with vi .....
[05:59] <smouche> at the very least, in every admin app like that, console command alternatives should be listed, if newbies want to try them
[05:59] <kkathman> smouche: Absolutely agree with that. If the tools are provided, they should be reliable. But I think the "mentality" is that alot of people dont use them, so they kinda get pushed to the back of the list of priorities
[05:59] <smouche> so they don't get stuck wrestling with buggy or confusing guis
[06:00] <smouche> exactly my point, kkathman.  
[06:00] <kkathman> I mean, I'd rather them get major apps right and debugged rather than ksuer for instance ..but I DO see your point
[06:00] <smouche> but kde is not as bad in this respect as gnome, in my opinion...
[06:01] <smouche> kkathman, kuser is a major app!  How else can someone add users if they don't already know linux commands?  It' s not just "major", it's essential!
[06:01] <kkathman> smouche: you are right there
[06:02] <kkathman> smouche: well its major of course if you dont know the commands, thats true
[06:02] <smouche> but like I said, if every gui had a little info panel, right on it's first screen, menttioning "konsole adduser"  or "man adduser" 
[06:02] <kkathman> smouche: a better example is allowing Konq to view samba shares...doing that in the terminal mode is a reall pain.
[06:03] <smouche> or giving some reference, instead of these oftern pitiful app help pages, people could more quickly learn command line stuff
[06:03] <kkathman> but I can create a user at a terminal faster than you can click open the Kuser and do it probably...but Im a geek too :)
[06:03] <kkathman> lol
[06:04] <kkathman> smouche: Im with you on the documentation...try reading man smbmount and see if you can figure out how to issue that command successfully :)
[06:04] <smouche> me too, kkathman, especially since, like I said, kuser sucks! at least on my system, and apparently some others' ;-)
[06:05] <smouche> man man man man man man -- I tried man info once, and info man, and then I got drunk and booted up windows.
[06:05] <kkathman> stelt: well, Ubuntu is the only distro I know that DOES get rid of root.  Thats one things Im not wild about, but its easy for me to acclimate to
[06:06] <smouche> thing is, I think they missed something there, kkathman-- I think there's lingering parts of kde that haven't bought into the whole sudo thing-- and that's where these "administration modes" in the gui tools fall apart
[06:07] <membreya> my administration made works fine *shrugs*
[06:07] <kkathman> smouche: absolutely. KDE is a global linux gui, and like I said Ubuntu is the only one that I have seen that disables the root account
[06:08] <kkathman> membreya: you do your stuff from the command line I imagine, like me :)
[06:08] <membreya> not at all
[06:08] <smouche> membreya, can you add users with kuser ? (please don't tell me you don't use it, i know, use konsole, I can do that-- just wondering if kuser is buggy on your system)
[06:08] <kkathman> really?
[06:08] <membreya> just load the control centre and click on admin mode
[06:08] <membreya> kuser ALWAYS crashes on me :|
[06:09] <smouche> kkathman, when I said "parts of kde", I meant the actual software on my box, not the kde project...
[06:09] <kkathman> membreya: by the way...do you happen to know the ins and outs of smbmount, cuz I cant for the life of me figure it out from the man page :)
[06:09] <membreya> whats wrong kkathman ?
[06:10] <membreya> by the way...how well does kcron work?
[06:10] <kkathman> membreya: just trying to see my samba shares from a terminal mode
[06:10] <smouche> control center admin modes only work in some parts of control center; to use it without errors and crashing, I have to do konsole- sudo kcontrol.  forget about the icon.
[06:11] <membreya> why not just do a mount -t smbfs? :P
[06:11] <kkathman> smouche: Just as a point of clarity...I dont use konsole, I use terminal...never had a prob
[06:11] <kkathman> membreya: I havent tried that command...one moment
[06:12] <membreya> kkathman: you'll need to make a .credentials file
[06:12] <smouche> heh heh, when I say konsole, I mean -- whatever - the cli.  E-term, xterm, I never know whether to say "shell" or terminal, or whatever..
[06:12] <smouche> kkathman, do you use anything starting with a k? ;-)
[06:13] <kkathman> membreya: ok well I issued that command...how do I see the shares now?
[06:13] <smouche> you mean -- gasp -- I bet you don't even use -- kynaptic!  or konversation!   mhahhahhahwah!
[06:13] <kkathman> smouche: well yes..alot...kopete, konversation, konqueror
[06:13] <kkathman> smouche: I dont use kynaptic..I do all my installs from the console
[06:13] <smouche> ok kk kk  kk
[06:14] <smouche> !
[06:14] <smouche> well, duh!
[06:14] <membreya> kkathman: you need to use a mountpoint (typically in /media) .....then just type sudo mount -a && mount
[06:14] <smouche> (I like kpackage, for the easy hyperlinked info)
[06:14] <kkathman> membreya: credentials?
[06:15] <kkathman> membreya: mountpoint...that means I need to create a directory ?
[06:15] <membreya> yes
[06:15] <membreya> sudo nano /root/.smbcredentials
[06:15] <membreya> then put username=yourusername followed by password=yourpassword
[06:16] <kkathman> membreya: so the username would be what I log into ubuntu with and the same for the password right?
[06:17] <membreya> yes
[06:17] <membreya> or the one that you use for the samba shares..but generally your ubuntu one
[06:17] <kkathman> membreya: ok I wrote two lines out
[06:18] <membreya> kkathman: save the file ;)
[06:18] <membreya> and then in your /etc/fstab file put:
[06:18] <membreya> /(ip of machine so 192.168.0.blah)        /media/(your new mountpoint your just created)  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials       0       0
[06:19] <smouche> I've never understood this business of "mounting" samba shares, as opposed to simply viewing them in konqueror ... when I use konqueror to see my windows ntfs folders via smb-client, am I "mounting them"?
[06:19] <membreya> essentially
[06:19] <membreya> but i have problems browsing my network :| (not the same workgroup screws it up AFAIK)
[06:19] <smouche> it never asks me for a password; well, once in a blue moon it does
[06:20] <smouche> then it won't accept anything I put in!
[06:20] <kkathman> membreya: where would I put that in the fstab?
[06:21] <kkathman> membreya: also, the ip of the machine that you say...Im assuming that is the ip of the machine that is the share, not the ip of the linux box right?
[06:23] <membreya> kkathman: you put it at the bottom of your fstab...and as for the question ..ok say there's a windows machine that you want to connect to with a sharename of linux ... you would put //192.168.0.4/linux
[06:24] <kkathman> membreya: well the sharename is the computer name on the windows box
[06:24] <kkathman> right?
[06:24] <membreya> no
[06:24] <membreya> the sharename is the name of the directory
[06:24] <membreya> or the "shared" directory
[06:24] <kkathman> ahhh
[06:24] <kkathman> hmm
[06:24] <membreya> hence "sharename" :P
[06:25] <kkathman> membreya: so if I wanted to see the W: directory on a winbox at 192.168.248.103, then it would be //192.168.248.103/W
[06:25] <membreya> if W is how the directory is shared..yes :)
[06:25] <kkathman> well W is the partition I guess
[06:26] <kkathman> I dont know what the "share" name is
[06:26] <smouche> if you want to share the root partition
[06:27] <kkathman> but I guess I can go to konq and see what that name is I bet
[06:27] <smouche> if you told windows to permit sharing the root of that drive , then that's it, yes
[06:27] <membreya> kkathman: do me a favour, in your terminal, type smbtree
[06:27] <kkathman> ok
[06:28] <kkathman> membreya: ok done
[06:28] <Zugot> have you noticed that the urls are different in google if you use konq as opposed to firefox?
[06:28] <kkathman> ahhh those are the shares :)
[06:28] <membreya> did it have the name of the computer you're wanting to connect to ? :)
[06:28] <membreya> including the shares
[06:28] <kkathman> membreya: yes several times with the share names hehe
[06:28] <kkathman> gotcha
[06:29] <kkathman> membreya: now back to this mountpoint... I have a share named \\ENTDYN\WebDevG  do I create a mountpoint somewhere specific for that now?
[06:30] <membreya> kkathman: best way is to create a directory in say /media/ and name it WebDevG
[06:31] <membreya> as far as the server is concerned
[06:31] <membreya> use the IP of entdyn
[06:31] <kkathman> membreya: should it have just regular priviledges?
[06:31] <membreya> so if it's 192.168.0.1 do //192.168.0.1/WebDevG
[06:31] <trans_err> how do I make it so I can build things against the default kernel-- I've installed the source but things like the nvidia installer, prism installer, et cetera still arent working
[06:31] <membreya> enough priviledges so that you can connect to it :P
[06:32] <kkathman> membreya: so literally its just a matter of doing a sudo mkdir /media/webdevg ?
[06:32] <membreya> ayup
[06:33] <membreya> you may need to do a chown on the directory so you can read it :P
[06:33] <kkathman> membreya: yeah I did a chmod 777
[06:33] <membreya> cool :)
[06:33] <smouche> heheh, I xkilled xchat.
[06:33] <membreya> friggin kcron...it's useless
[06:34] <membreya> oh well, webmin to the rescue ;)
[06:34] <smouche> what'd I miss? :-)
[06:34] <smouche> I gotta stop killing apps I'm actually using...
[06:35] <membreya> lol
[06:35] <membreya> how'd you go with that samba share kkathman ?
[06:35] <trans_err> no one has an answer?
[06:36] <membreya> hang on
[06:37] <kkathman> membreya: ok...Im at the point of adding the line to the fstab.... do I put in \\ENTDYN\WebDevG   or /192.168.248.103/WebDevG ??
[06:37] <membreya> trans_err: sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8 <-- replace 2.6-amd64-k8 with your kernel
[06:37] <membreya> kkathman: it's //192.168.248.103/WebDevG
[06:37] <kkathman> okies
[06:37] <membreya> don't forget the 2 forward slashes
[06:38] <kkathman> gotcha
[06:40] <kkathman> membreya: ok I added that to the fstab successfully 
[06:40] <membreya> kkathman: now do a sudo mount -a && mount
[06:40] <trans_err> why isnt there ones for the 2.6.10 kernel?
[06:41] <trans_err> am i missing a line?
[06:41] <membreya> just do 2.6
[06:41] <trans_err> but its going to take 2.6.7
[06:41] <membreya> just do it
[06:41] <trans_err> membreya: k
[06:42] <kkathman> membreya: ok well seems ok...no errors
[06:42] <membreya> and does mount say it's mounted kkathman ?
[06:42] <kkathman> yep
[06:42] <kkathman> sure does
[06:42] <membreya> there you go
[06:42] <kkathman> WebDevG is right there
[06:42] <membreya> that directory will automount every boot
[06:42] <kkathman> I can do a ls on that now right?
[06:42] <membreya> yup
[06:42] <membreya> so cd /media/WebDevG
[06:42] <membreya> ls
[06:43] <kkathman> oh man thats sweet
[06:43] <kkathman> membreya: you are a great help, thank you for being so patient :)
[06:43] <membreya> ok, click on the places icon next to your K start bar...and then go to storage media
[06:43] <membreya> it will be there :)
[06:43] <membreya> kkathman: no problem ... I'm only 2 months on ubuntu ..but it's fun :)
[06:44] <membreya> you can even have it on your desktop :P
[06:44] <kkathman> membreya: just create an icon and point it to /media/WebDevG right?
[06:44] <membreya> noooooooooo
[06:45] <kkathman> Link to Device?
[06:45] <membreya> right click on the desktop, go to Configure Desktop > Behavior > Device Icons
[06:45] <membreya> i believe :|
[06:45] <membreya> lol
[06:45] <kkathman> ahhh gotcha
[06:46] <kkathman> excellent!
[06:46] <membreya> wait
[06:46] <membreya> hang on
[06:46] <membreya> I'm a goose
[06:46] <kkathman> membreya: hmm I have mounted SMB Share checked but no icon :)
[06:46] <membreya> you were right kkathman ..link to device, NFS
[06:47] <membreya> then when you have the NFS dialogue open, go to Device and select your new share :)
[06:48] <smouche> nfs?  should I be using that instead of smb?
[06:48] <smouche> oops
[06:48] <membreya> smouche: it doesnt list samba :P
[06:48] <smouche> I was gonna scratch that question
[06:48] <smouche> !
[06:48] <membreya> :P
[06:48] <smouche> meant to say, is nfs pref to samba?
[06:48] <kkathman> smouche: I have read some conflicting things on that....I think samba is the preferred network selection
[06:48] <smouche> I don't have a server on the linux box, actually
[06:48] <membreya> no idea :P I just run samba :P
[06:49] <smouche> I just use the smb-client
[06:49] <membreya> back in an hour or so :)
[06:52] <smouche> see ya membreya
[06:52] <kkathman> membreya: thank you!!
[06:54] <smouche> that was nifty
[06:55] <kkathman> smouche you get all that?
[06:55] <smouche> yeah!
[06:55] <smouche> thanks!
[06:55] <kkathman> smouche: see thats the kind of stuff I put in my journal
[06:56] <smouche> yep!  I'll be able to use it once I dare to boot my windows box again -!
[06:57] <kkathman> lol
[06:57] <kkathman> I am a bit worried that I cant seem to see my wife's computer on the network now
[06:57] <kkathman> its odd
[06:57] <smouche> I yanked it from the network, viruses at work, mysterious hard drive meltdowns, it's a mess.
[06:58] <smouche> maybe she's hiding.
[06:58] <kkathman> I can see it on the windows network
[06:58] <kkathman> ah now its there :)
[06:58] <smouche> um, I thought you had only put one windows box in there, with membreya's instructions?
[06:59] <smouche> there you are
[07:00] <smouche> kkathman -
[07:00] <smouche> the command to kill a process with 
[07:00] <smouche> a cursor - xkill
[07:00] <kkathman> by the way, samba shares linux boxes too, not just windows
[07:00] <smouche> if I change my mind, can I escape that command?
[07:00] <smouche> get out of town?  samba shares linux?
[07:00] <smouche> kewl!
[07:01] <kkathman> yep I just did an smbtree and there was the other linux box
[07:01] <smouche> how come konqueror couldn't see mine, then-- eeerrrr, never mind, no linux server yet...
[07:01] <kkathman> quite a bit easier than NFS
[07:01] <kkathman> yeah you have to configure Samba....
[07:01] <smouche> (I have ubuntu on the windows box too -- wow, that needs upgrading , it's warthy, I think
[07:02] <kkathman> Im trying to see, if I mount point my music collection on my windows box, if I can play it from Linux...I bet I can
[07:02] <smouche> excellent excellent.
[07:03] <smouche> yep, that's what I do with konqueror - but I just browse through the file manager, with icons to particular folders.  I didn't need to configure any mount points--
[07:04] <trans_err> okay im trying to install the prism2 drivers and it still says i dont have my full linux sour
[07:04] <smouche> I'm still confused about the advantages of all that as opposed to just using smb-client, which worked out of th box
[07:04] <trans_err> *source
[07:05] <kkathman> smouche: if it works...stick with it :)
[07:06] <smouche> that's a big if, when we're talking about konqueror!
[07:07] <smouche> ;-)
[07:07] <kkathman> see there are some weird things that go on with Samba
[07:07] <kkathman> It has to do with naming
[07:08] <smouche> i noticed!
[07:08] <smouche> like what?
[07:09] <kkathman> well  ok....if you run Samba, and let it find your shared folders on your windows boxes. the windows system defaults the name of the shares to something like C$ and D$
[07:10] <smouche> kkathman, I found some media apps handle the network better than others; for some reason kaffeine may load your mp3 etc much faster than, say, totem or xmms.
[07:10] <kkathman> if you try to access them its like NO
[07:10] <smouche> don't know why.
[07:10] <smouche> weird...  
[07:11] <kkathman> hmm this is weird
[07:11] <smouche> that's not how smb-client does it-- everything looked exactly the same, either end
[07:11] <kkathman> I just restarted samba and now it doesnt see anything ......hmmmmmmmmmm
[07:12] <kkathman> ewwwww
[07:12] <kkathman> now Im baffled
[07:12] <smouche> it's flaky.
[07:13] <kkathman> but funny I can still go to that icon I made and see that windows folder ;)
[07:13] <kkathman> how weird
[07:14] <smouche> I'm completely baffled.  I just blame everything on my router!  and I have no idea how to reconfigure my router.  seems to have a mind of its own
[07:14] <kkathman> well ok...now its all back
[07:14] <kkathman> maybe it just takes time for the restart to initialize ??
[07:15] <smouche> I think it'll settle down; I had samba for a brief while in gnome
[07:15] <kkathman> I went over to my windows box and changed the share name...but thats not showing
[07:15] <smouche> it acted off and on like that at first; then I nixed it anyway
[07:15] <kkathman> oh wait yes it is
[07:15] <kkathman> lol
[07:15] <kkathman> I SEE IT!
[07:16] <kkathman> this is so kewl
[07:16] <smouche> anything interesting on your wife's computer, dude?
[07:16] <smouche> heh heh
[07:16] <smouche> does she knowing she's sharing?
[07:16] <smouche> oy, " does she knowing" ha hah
[07:16] <kkathman> smouche: just our finances and a few speadsheets
[07:17] <smouche> running linux, I hope!
[07:17] <kkathman> but...she's got limited visibility to my windows machine..he he he
[07:17] <stelt> ok guys i figured it out. i can do sudo stuff cause i'm part of a "admin" group (which is of course a default setting for the only user).  so as long as i make sure other users are not part of that group they won't be able to do sudo things.
[07:17] <kkathman> nope hers is a win box right now
[07:17] <kkathman> stelt: great thats good info to know...thank you for sharing that :)
[07:18] <smouche> good to know, stelt!  I borked myself good once by accidentally having two users acting like root!
[07:18] <smouche> what a mess
[07:18] <smouche> lol
[07:18] <smouche> that was a few re-installs ago
[07:18] <kkathman> hey stelt how do you know what group you are in then?
[07:19] <kkathman> what you say makes sense, because the permissions are for owner, group, user I think
[07:19] <smouche> that's what kuser is for -- and anyway, there's a command for that info, isn't there?
[07:19] <stelt> "groups"
[07:20] <smouche> wait a minute, isn't there a "sudoers" file somewhere, where you can add users, independant of group?
[07:20] <kkathman> yeah there is...it escapes me at this time
[07:20] <stelt> yes /etc/sudoers
[07:21] <kkathman> I know you can create groups with newgrp and change them with chgrp
[07:21] <smouche> heh, I didn't something probably unwise, but no one else uses this machine -- I turned off asking for a password... 
[07:21] <kkathman> groups <user> shows what groups a user is in
[07:21] <smouche> so just sudo, no prompt for password
[07:22] <smouche> I should probably change that back...
[07:24] <Borg^Queen> Hey people
[07:24] <Borg^Queen> I have a problem. When I try to launch kynaptic, IU
[07:24] <Borg^Queen> I'm asked for the root password, right
[07:24] <Borg^Queen> When I enter it, and it is the correct one, it rejects it
[07:25] <smouche> this is a theme, tonight!
[07:25] <Borg^Queen> lol is it?
[07:25] <smouche> yep!
[07:25] <Borg^Queen> And what exactly is it?
[07:25] <smouche> try opening a terminal, and sudo kynaptic...
[07:26] <smouche> better yet, get synaptic, much better
[07:26] <Borg^Queen> Sorry try again is what I get
[07:26] <smouche> why some kde apps are rejecting passwords, I don't know.  I'm having problems with kpackage and kuser also
[07:26] <Borg^Queen> I agree synaptic is better
[07:26] <Borg^Queen> Hmm
[07:27] <Borg^Queen> It says I'm not on the sudo user file
[07:27] <smouche> wait a minute -- Borg^Queen, did you set a root password for yourself?
[07:27] <Borg^Queen> Yes
[07:27] <smouche> I see
[07:27] <smouche> don't use that password
[07:27] <stelt> Borg^Queen: try your userpw instead
[07:27] <smouche> use you regular user password
[07:27] <Borg^Queen> I have
[07:28] <Borg^Queen> I'm not on the list
[07:28] <smouche> check your sudoers file, and add yourself
[07:28] <smouche> ?
[07:28] <Borg^Queen> Where?
[07:29] <smouche> you know, I think I may know where I screwed up -- just for the hell of it, I set a root password... never use it
[07:29] <stelt> is there a log of this channel? then Borg^Queen can read back what we just talked about
[07:29] <Borg^Queen> So far I'm not really happy with it, it has a lot of trouble mounting a zip drive. It can't see simple usb stick
[07:29] <smouche> stelt, I think so, don't know where exactly, in x-chat you can set automatic logging
[07:29] <smouche> oh 
[07:30] <Borg^Queen> stelt: that would be cool
[07:30] <smouche> sorry, you mean, from before...
[07:30] <stelt> y
[07:30] <Borg^Queen> So how do I put myself on the sudo list?
[07:31] <smouche> hmm -- is it only kynaptic that's not giving you permission?
[07:31] <Borg^Queen> everything needing a root psw
[07:31] <smouche> try sudo something else in a terminal
[07:31] <smouche> damn, well
[07:32] <Borg^Queen> su returned an error
[07:32] <smouche> I guess you can't "sudo nano sudoers" or whatever it is
[07:32] <smouche> wait - "su"?
[07:32] <smouche> or sudo?
[07:32] <Borg^Queen> I can su - into root
[07:33] <smouche> try sudo nano nameofsudoerfiletoedit
[07:33] <Borg^Queen> I can actually su into root and trash the system, which kinda make the whole sudo thing useless
[07:33] <Borg^Queen> I have no idea what the name of th efile is
[07:33] <Borg^Queen> the file
[07:33] <smouche> just a sec
[07:34] <Borg^Queen> da_bon_bon: a LOTR fan?
[07:34] <smouche> /etc/sudoers
[07:34] <kkathman> smouche: well I wasnt successful to play music on a samba share locally on my linux box :(
[07:34] <smouche> aw, why not, kkathman?
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> why is the limit for primary partiton on a drive only 4 ?
[07:35] <kkathman> hmm amarok and kaffeine complain that it isnt a "local" file
[07:35] <smouche> it should work, if you can see the files, you can stream them
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> Borg^Queen: ? why ?1
[07:35] <smouche> that's weird, kkathman
[07:35] <kkathman> smouche: kaffeine complains "not a local file"
[07:35] <kkathman> amarok just sits there
[07:35] <kkathman> lol
[07:36] <smouche> kkathman, I hate to be a broken record but...
[07:36] <kkathman> this is what I get for trying to get sassy with a computer
[07:37] <Borg^Queen> ok I added my user.
[07:37] <Borg^Queen> It seems to be working
[07:37] <smouche> do me a favor and open konqueror kkathman, look in G0 -> Network Folders
[07:37] <smouche> and see what happens from there
[07:38] <kkathman> yep I see everything
[07:38] <smouche> try playing from there
[07:38] <kkathman> so like drag a song to amarok or kaffeine?
[07:38] <smouche> right click
[07:39] <smouche> play with
[07:39] <smouche> whatever works
[07:39] <smouche> use kaffeine
[07:39] <smouche> i mean, that should work
[07:40] <kkathman> yep worked in amarok, not kaffiene
[07:40] <smouche> I play divx movies, mp3 etc in there like that
[07:40] <kkathman> now let me try that on my mountpoint
[07:40] <Borg^Queen> Nah its not working
[07:41] <smouche> kkathman, same "not local file error" ?  or just no sound?
[07:41] <kkathman> ok that worked too
[07:41] <kkathman> just kaffeine is complaining
[07:41] <Borg^Queen> I can't get to network settings
[07:41] <smouche> funny, cause kaffeine is the only player I have that handles my network smoothly!
[07:41] <Borg^Queen> It keeps bringing me back to kcontrol welcome screen
[07:41] <kkathman> smouche: OH WAIT I KNOW WHY!!!
[07:41] <smouche> you might try video lan client too
[07:41] <kkathman> LOL
[07:41] <smouche> what???
[07:42] <kkathman> smouche:  hehe remember the other night we were talking about shutting down unneeded services....I shut down artsd :)
[07:42] <smouche> hA HHHAHHA HHHHAHHH  ROFL
[07:42] <kkathman> hmmm now I gotta figger out how to restart it
[07:42] <smouche> "allow networked sound!"
[07:42] <Borg^Queen> Ooh can I drop an anvil on him?
[07:42] <smouche> yes!
[07:42] <smouche> doh!
[07:42] <kkathman> PFFFFT
[07:43] <smouche> hah hah hah
[07:43] <smouche> that is good...
[07:43] <Borg^Queen> And kubuntu just crashed.
[07:43] <kkathman> Wiley Coyote Is my hero
[07:43] <smouche> kkathman, I'm just freakin glad I had my windows box off during this,
[07:44] <smouche> or I'd have been having the same problem
[07:44] <smouche> 'cause I turned that thing off too!
[07:44] <Borg^Queen> `and kuser just crashed on the other test computer
[07:44] <Borg^Queen> back to debian
[07:44] <kkathman> awww man
[07:45] <smouche> heh heh
[07:45] <Borg^Queen> what?
[07:45] <smouche> got tunes now, kkathman?
[07:45] <kkathman> wait
[07:45] <kkathman> command line time :)
[07:45] <smouche> heh, kkathman, that's one part of control center that does have a nice working gui, actually! ;-)
[07:46] <kkathman> well I thought I could just whereis artsd and execute it
[07:46] <kkathman> guess not
[07:46] <smouche> wait a minute -- no, kkathman, I don't think artsd or networked sound is the problem
[07:46] <smouche> !
[07:46] <smouche> sorry
[07:47] <kkathman> well I know artsd isnt running
[07:47] <kkathman> I checked
[07:47] <kkathman> but Im all ears
[07:47] <smouche> but I have run it without that -- that's for playing stuff WITH the other computer, not streaming from it--
[07:48] <smouche> if you want it to play throught the other 'puter's sound system, I think
[07:49] <smouche> never mind, dude
[07:49] <abinadid> good night all
[07:49] <smouche> sorry, I'm confusing the arts (?) stuff with networked sound
[07:49] <smouche> different issue
[07:49] <abinadid> a stupid question
[07:50] <abinadid> does anybody uses xlink kai???
[07:51] <kkathman> brb
[07:52] <trans_err> im trying to build linux-wlan-ng
[07:52] <trans_err> and running into some problems
[07:52] <trans_err> it doesnt see my src
[07:52] <trans_err> i remember this problem before but i never figured it out
[07:53] <abinadid> i tried to run this package on my computer but to be honest i don't know what to do
[07:54] <abinadid> anybody who has succesfully installed this app???  i need a little help
[07:55] <smouche> sorry abinadid, don't know the app
[07:55] <kkathman> back
[07:55] <smouche> kkathman, did you -- gadzooks -- reboot?
[07:55] <kkathman> I thought maybe rebooting would start artsd again...it didnt ;(
[07:56] <smouche> he heh
[07:56] <kkathman> sigh
[07:56] <smouche> sorry to hear that
[07:56] <abinadid> this is a tunneling software that let you play xbox or ps2 or other console onlinefor free
[07:56] <smouche> when a linux guy has to reboot, I know it's traumatic
[07:56] <smouche> sharing crap with windows, that's what you get ;-)
[07:57] <smouche> al right, kkatman, I'm gonna boot my windows box
[07:57] <kkathman> kewl
[07:57] <kkathman> yeah yeah
[07:57] <smouche> and see what happens, cause I know I don't have tht artsd stuff running --
[07:57] <smouche> (where the hell is the menu for that thing?  and what does it do?  )
[07:57] <smouche> back in a sec
[07:58] <abinadid> i was running that on windows but i'm tryng to move to linux but i want to be able to do everithing with linux so far so good 
[07:58] <kkathman> see there isnt a gui for everything :)
[07:58] <Borg^Queen> later people
[07:58] <smouche> kkathman, isn't that "arts" thing a midi application?
[07:59] <abinadid> i just need my printer configured and "xlink Kai"   http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/
[07:59] <smouche> man, kills me how much faster xp boots than linux. ouch
[07:59] <kkathman> its a sound engine
[07:59] <kkathman> like gstreamer and xine
[08:00] <smouche> ok
[08:01] <kkathman> hehe I faked it out
[08:01] <kkathman> smouche you are a genius :)
[08:02] <smouche> ?
[08:02] <smouche> que pasa?
[08:03] <abinadid> you speak espanol??
[08:03] <smouche> un poquito, abinadid
[08:03] <abinadid> cool
[08:03] <kkathman> works now perfectly
[08:04] <smouche> pero, cada norteamericano puede decir "que pasa" !
[08:04] <abinadid> you are right
[08:04] <kkathman> lol smouche :)
[08:04] <smouche> kkathman, I'm streaming Eric Clapton with kaffeine off my lan
[08:04] <smouche> kkathman!  what happened!
[08:04] <kkathman> yep I was doin Eagles Hotel California
[08:05] <kkathman> smouche: I just went into Amarok, changed the engine to Artsd...and let amarok start it up
[08:05] <smouche> heh heh
[08:05] <kkathman> then got out...and everything was kewl
[08:05] <smouche> didn't think it would be that easy, eh?
[08:05] <smouche> so, let me check top ...
[08:05] <kkathman> well they rarely aaare
[08:05] <membreya> back :)
[08:05] <abinadid> talking about audio players my amarok crashes when i selected other stream from the list with gstreamer
[08:06] <kkathman> but I'll shut it down again..cuz its a hog...and amarok can use another engine
[08:06] <kkathman> right now I dont even have any speakers on my linux box
[08:06] <smouche> weird,, kkatman, I still don't have Arstsd running... using something else
[08:06] <smouche> I guess
[08:07] <kkathman> Kaffeine is using another engine?? Probably "auto"
[08:07] <smouche> my problem is, only kaffeine loads these files files fast enough for me...
[08:08] <smouche> probably espresso
[08:08] <membreya> lol
[08:08] <smouche> heh heh
[08:08] <kkathman> lol
[08:08] <kkathman> welcome back membreya 
[08:08] <membreya> how'd ya go with all your samba stuff kkathman ? :)
[08:08] <smouche> lol
[08:08] <kkathman> membreya: perfectly kewl...even mounted a music directory and played it locally
[08:08] <kkathman> thank you again for your help :)
[08:09] <membreya> it's no problem..now you can pass on that knowledge to some other person when they need it :D
[08:09] <smouche> kkathman, what exactly was Amarok set on before?
[08:09] <kkathman> and I will :)
[08:10] <kkathman> I think it was xine
[08:10] <smouche> membreya, he already has...
[08:10] <membreya> :D
[08:10] <smouche> kkathman, xine works!
[08:10] <kkathman> yep it does
[08:10] <membreya> the power of open source ;)
[08:10] <smouche> I mean, it should have played off the network share
[08:10] <smouche> hell, as long as you have tunes!
[08:11] <kkathman> membreya: now all I need is a really top quality Photoshop for Linux and Flash for Linux :)
[08:11] <kkathman> I gots da tunes ;)
[08:11] <smouche> I want a better media player!  foobar2000 for music, Bsplayer for movies (both open source!)
[08:11] <smouche> I  miss that stuff
[08:12] <membreya> kkathman: flash is blah ..for photoshop use gimp :P
[08:13] <kkathman> membreya: yes, Ive dabbled a bit in gimp, its probably about 70% of Photoshop, but with a little more work...flash..I actually use SWISHmax on windows
[08:13] <smouche> I also need a better sound recorder than audacity; I miss cooledit
[08:14] <kkathman> smouche: I always used WaveLab
[08:15] <kkathman> it was an older version tho
[08:15] <kkathman> CoolEdit 2.0 was pretty nice
[08:15] <smouche> oh, the pain; I'm just starting to remember all the music and movies I lost in my hard drive disaster -- oy...
[08:15] <smouche> oh well
[08:15] <smouche> cooledit2000?
[08:15] <kkathman> smouche: and where will you go to get it all back??
[08:15] <smouche> heh heh, the public library?
[08:16] <kkathman> ok... heres a good question,  what app does your typical newsgroups reader?
[08:16] <smouche> er, syntax there, kkathman...
[08:17] <kkathman> not RSS but newsgroups like  alt.binaries.linux  blah blah
[08:17] <smouche> I haven't tried a newsreader in linux; I used to use Gravity in windows
[08:17] <kkathman> I use Newsbin Pro in Windows
[08:17] <kkathman> I think
[08:17] <smouche> I'm on roadrunner, newsgroup retention is horrible
[08:17] <kkathman> yea thats it
[08:18] <kkathman> but what Linux program is there for newsgroup retrieval?
[08:18] <smouche> what's a good one for linix
[08:18] <smouche> heh heh
[08:18] <kkathman> dunno
[08:18] <smouche> same question!
[08:18] <smouche> well, let me peruse kpackage...
[08:18] <kkathman> ok
[08:18] <kkathman> I'll search the forums
[08:19] <smouche> hmmm, knode?
[08:20] <kkathman> evolution apparently also
[08:20] <smouche> KNode is an easy-to-use, convenient newsreader. It is intended to be usable by inexperienced users, but also includes support for such features as MIME attachments, article scoring, and creating and verifying GnuPG signatures. . This package is part of the official KDE pim module.
[08:20] <kkathman> lemme do an apt-cache search
[08:20] <smouche> oh, it's installed
[08:21] <kkathman> knode, pan
[08:21] <kkathman> its installed?
[08:21] <kkathman> on the menus?
[08:21] <smouche> yep
[08:21] <smouche> I don;t know -- terminal
[08:21] <smouche> "knode"
[08:21] <smouche> brings up configure screen
[08:21] <kkathman> its in /usr/bin knode
[08:22] <smouche> hmm, pan looks good - I might try that...
[08:23] <kkathman> hehe has its own icon too .. when you create it on your desktop
[08:25] <smouche> ok, I'm off - three hours later than I should to bed, again!  
[08:25] <smouche> which really means just listening to the radio with my eyes closed... hell, who needs sleep?
[08:26] <kkathman> hey this is pretty good smouche
[08:26] <smouche> knode?
[08:26] <kkathman> yeah
[08:26] <smouche> cool-- I'll hook it up tomorrow!  
[08:26] <kkathman> have a good night sir :)
[08:26] <smouche> (just wish I had cable company)
[08:27] <smouche> g'night!
[08:27] <membreya> nite!
[08:27] <membreya> bastard!
[08:28] <kkathman> lol
[08:28] <kkathman> membreya: knode is pretty good for newsreading eh?
[08:33] <membreya> erm ...dunno I don't do NG's .. I'm too busy with the ubuntu mailing list ..lol just over a month and I have 5 1/2 thousand emails :P
[08:34] <kkathman> oh my gosh!!
[08:34] <kkathman> membreya: how do you get through all of those?
[08:35] <membreya> reading constantly :P most of them are OT anyway...but generally when I wake up there'll be 100+ new emails from the mailing list
[08:36] <kkathman> membreya: are they mostly people asking for help?
[08:36] <membreya> that's what it is :)
[08:38] <kkathman> membreya: I get frustrated when I cant find an answer...but I do try to research it... things like what you taught tonight, you cant get that in a book without days of trial and error :)
[08:38] <kkathman> but, alot of things are well documented
[08:40] <kkathman> well Im off to bed also...thanks again for taking time for us tonight membreya :)
[08:40] <membreya> kkathman: either use www.ubuntuguide.org www.ubuntuforums.org or http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[08:40] <membreya> nite kka:)
[08:48] <trans_err> okay im getting closer but the build script fails when it doesnt find a .tmp_versions in /usr/src/linux
[08:55] <imPULSIV> moin
[08:55] <imPULSIV> english or deutsch ?
[08:56] <duken> what your opinion about ubuntu or debian sarge as server ??
[08:56] <imPULSIV> got questions regarding DVD release of kubuntu
[08:56] <imPULSIV> great system btw.
[08:57] <imPULSIV> so the question is ... is there any
[08:57] <imPULSIV> cos i wanna download it but i would be greatful if i could download a DVD image innstead of just a CD ISo
[08:58] <imPULSIV> duken
[08:58] <membreya> imPULSIV: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[08:58] <imPULSIV> r u wit me
[08:58] <membreya> there ya go :)
[08:58] <imPULSIV> am on ma way
[08:59] <imPULSIV> membreya this is just a dual image like a mix of live CD plus install
[09:00] <membreya> what now?
[09:00] <membreya> ya, but it has all the packages on it
[09:00] <membreya> so no need for excessive updates
[09:01] <imPULSIV> of universe?
[09:01] <imPULSIV> and what about language support
[09:01] <membreya> nfi
[09:01] <membreya> you would need to talk to some of the developers
[09:02] <imPULSIV> k
[09:02] <imPULSIV> :)
[09:03] <imPULSIV> also what i found out just now is that these images wherre you sent me are all for torrent is there any http or ftp sites available?
[09:03] <markc> please ignore, I'm just testing kopete
[09:04] <imPULSIV> so keep on testing
[09:04] <imPULSIV> test test test
[09:04] <markc> heh
[09:04] <markc> konversation is much nicer, for irc
[09:06] <imPULSIV> membreya ? what about ftp or http ?
[09:06] <markc> oh well, I guess I'm all tested out... I can tell my grandchildren I once tried kopete :-)
[09:06] <imPULSIV> :) at least you can
[09:06] <membreya> imPULSIV: erm lol
[09:06] <membreya> click on the .iso file
[09:07] <membreya> it's http :P
[09:07] <imPULSIV> :)
[09:07] <imPULSIV> stupid german bloak is
[09:08] <Tm_T> o/
[09:08] <membreya> yes Tm_T ?
[09:10] <imPULSIV> i klicked on the image but it says its not downloadable
[09:10] <imPULSIV> tried to download it with netpumper on a windows system cos i dont have my ubuntu box near
[09:10] <membreya> what arch?
[09:11] <imPULSIV> i386
[09:11] <membreya> are you in linux now?
[09:11] <imPULSIV> no windows
[09:11] <membreya> dang
[09:11] <membreya> well it works fine for me
[09:11] <membreya> in linux just do a wget -c http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/hoary-dvd-i386.iso
[09:11] <imPULSIV> i know 
[09:16] <imPULSIV> i found  out that loging in to the server with your favourite ftp application enables you to download the image
[09:16] <membreya> :)
[09:18] <imPULSIV> so your from down under?
[09:18] <imPULSIV> isnt it really late down there?
[09:18] <membreya> no, I'm from Australia >:(
[09:18] <membreya> 5.15 pm :)
[09:18] <imPULSIV> huh?
[09:18] <membreya> but I've been awake since 11 last nite..so kinda tired ;)
[09:19] <imPULSIV> here in germany where holland is close you get yourself 5ltrs of beer one sportsfag and keep on idling
[09:21] <imPULSIV> sry gotta leave
[09:21] <imPULSIV> bye for now
[09:24] <Tm_T> membreya: hullo :)
[09:25] <membreya> :P
[09:27] <Tm_T> you know, o = head, / = arm, o/ = "hi, kids"
[09:30] <membreya> i thought that it meant you were putting your hand up to either ask for something or to volunteer :P
[09:32] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:32] <membreya> learn sumtin' new every day :D
[09:51] <jel_> hi guys :)  Thinking of switching from debian sid on PPC to kubuntu.  Can someone tell me how well supported (and how mainstream) kubuntu/ppc is?
[09:59] <Tm_T> jel_: eh, I bet it's ok
[10:02] <jel_> Tm_T: hmm, I wouldn't count on it.  It's hard enough to get things major things working on Debian/PPC, and they probably have more developers :)   But I guess I'll try an install on my x86 machine first, and then a live CD.  Thanks :)
[10:07] <KaiL> who asked about stability? kmail is rather crashy...
[10:08] <jel_> I did, I suppose.  Been like that for a long time, Kail?
[10:09] <KaiL> it dislikes, if I purge old mail manually
[10:09] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:09] <jel_> ahh.  As long as it's something I can avoid until it's fixed :)
[10:10] <Tm_T> many people complains about crashing... not a single crash here o/
[10:10] <Tm_T> jel_: use TB ;p
[10:10] <KaiL> "TB"?
[10:10] <Tm_T> ThunderBird
[10:11] <jel_> Tm_T: eek, no.  KDE is beautiful :)
[10:11] <Tm_T> eh
[10:11] <Tm_T> and thunderbird is not?
[10:11] <jel_> Tm_T: lol, "thunderbird is not".  You said it :D
[10:11] <Tm_T> err
[10:11] <KaiL> thunderbird is gtk
[10:12] <Tm_T> so?
[10:12] <jel_> But I mean beautiful in the sense of integration, elegance, etc. between apps.
[10:12] <KaiL> that's the opposize to being good :)
[10:12] <Tm_T> ...
[10:12] <Tm_T> KaiL: not
[10:12] <KaiL> I can't save my mail attachments directly to fish://server/folder :p
[10:13] <Tm_T> but this is matter of opinion so I'm not gonna argue
[10:13] <Tm_T> KaiL: you mean that KDE network thing?
[10:13] <jel_> Yea, ioslaves are nice.  So is dcop :)
[10:13] <KaiL> yes
[10:13] <Tm_T> KaiL: it sucks
[10:13] <KaiL> why that?
[10:14] <Tm_T> you can't use that network thing from command line
[10:14] <Tm_T> like, can't edit my website using local nano
[10:14] <Tm_T> that's not a good example
[10:14] <KaiL> I use kate for that :)
[10:14] <Tm_T> plah
[10:15] <Tm_T> KaiL: how bout just mounting that network place instead?
[10:15] <jel_> Like yesterday, I released I can get KDE to show random wallpapers by just adding a directory full of wallpapers to my background slideshow list.  But then I decided I wanted to be able to switch wallpapers easily, so I open a console, run dcop to see the desktop background API, and within a few seconds, I've created a new panel button that does something new, seemlessly.
[10:15] <KaiL> mounting over ssh?
[10:15] <Tm_T> KaiL: yes!
[10:16] <jel_> Admittedly, it would be best if IOSlaves were kernel VFS-level, rather than desktop level.
[10:16] <Tm_T> yes
[10:16] <Tm_T> nad it kan be
[10:16] <Tm_T> nad=and
[10:16] <Tm_T> can
[10:16] <Tm_T> err
[10:16] <Tm_T> fuck
[10:16] <jel_> Yes, fuse.
[10:17] <jel_> anyways.  I should be working, not talking :)  Bye guys :)
[10:17] <Tm_T> http://lufs.sourceforge.net/lufs/intro.html
[10:18] <Tm_T> I just going to test if that really work
[10:18] <Tm_T> it would be lovely if does =)
[10:20] <KaiL> bad, that there's no kernel-image...-586 for ubuntu
[10:20] <KaiL> or linux-image, as it's named now
[10:21] <BlackLabel> do i need to install something extra to extract rar archives
[10:25] <KaiL> maybe unrar, of not installed
[10:26] <BlackLabel> ok
[10:31] <BlackLabel> do the fglrx (ati drivers) work with an ATI Radeon IGP 320M  ?
[10:32] <Tm_T> 320M ?
[10:32] <KaiL> 2D only afair
[10:32] <BlackLabel> Tm_T: yes?
[10:33] <Tm_T> well, I use my ati r9200 with half-3d acceleration :p
[10:33] <BlackLabel> yep
[10:33] <Tm_T> ati drivers sucks
[10:33] <BlackLabel> yea i know
[10:33] <BlackLabel> i would get nvidia if this wasnt a laptop
[10:33] <Tm_T> I'm glad I have nvidia in this workstation =)
[10:34] <BlackLabel> yea
[10:34] <KaiL> hmm
[10:34] <KaiL> no "320M" listed there...
[10:35] <BlackLabel> im only getting 200 frames in glxgears
[10:35] <KaiL> that looks like 2D
[10:35] <KaiL> slow 2D..
[10:35] <BlackLabel> yep
[10:36] <KaiL> http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.12.10.html
[10:40] <BlackLabel> KaiL:  can i download them?
[10:40] <KaiL> as it looks for me, it doesn't help
[10:41] <BlackLabel> mm
[10:41] <KaiL> try asking in #ati :)
[10:43] <KaiL> the Xorg-driver at least lists some IGP330M and 340M, but no 320M....
[10:44] <KaiL> some very very new hardware?
[10:44] <BlackLabel> yea
[10:45] <BlackLabel> no not new hardware
[10:54] <KaiL> BlackLabel: does lspci give some Rxxx or rvxxx name for the chip?
[10:55] <Tm_T> BlackLabel: over 5k fps in glxgears ;p
[10:55] <KaiL> 388 frames in 6.0 seconds = 64.667 FPS
[10:55] <Tm_T> really slow
[10:55] <KaiL> Matrox G550 on a K6-2/500 with non-working DRI *g*
[10:56] <Tm_T> haha
[10:56] <KaiL> don't ask me, why dri doesn't want
[10:57] <Tm_T> eh, nv5700(256Mb) & 2800+ amd
[10:57] <KaiL> (EE) MGA(0): [agp]  Could not bind memory
[10:57] <Tm_T> heh
[10:57] <KaiL> hmm, maybe the reduced AGP apperture..
[10:57] <Tm_T> must be great =)
[10:57] <ice_1963> is there flashplayer for konqueror ???? =)
[10:58] <Tm_T> flash :/
[10:58] <Tm_T> mostly commercials
[10:58] <Tm_T> adds & such
[10:58] <KaiL> brb (reboot to get overlay and maybe dri back)
[10:58] <Tm_T> heh
[10:58] <BlackLabel> ATI Technologies Inc AGP Bridge [IGP 320M]  (rev 13)
[10:59] <BlackLabel> cant see and r- or rv-
[10:59] <ice_1963> ok
[11:08] <KaiL> reh
[11:10] <KaiL> 1418 frames in 5.0 seconds = 283.600 FPS
[11:10] <KaiL> better :)
[11:14] <KaiL> wtf overlay is still broken
[11:14] <KaiL> hmm
[11:15] <BlackLabel> 997 frames in 5.0 seconds = 199.400 FPS
[11:17] <KaiL> should be enough for a Laptop for now, or? :)
[11:17] <BlackLabel> wondering if i could get better
[11:19] <BlackLabel> why is urs so low?
[11:19] <KaiL> as I can see not for now, but there's a free driver for R300-based cards in the work, so it might get better with the time
[11:19] <KaiL> mine? Well, Matrox G550 and a K6-2/500 :)
[11:19] <BlackLabel> ok
[11:19] <KaiL> totally outdated processor
[11:22] <BlackLabel> how can i check my free space again (from console)
[11:22] <KaiL> df --si
[11:23] <BlackLabel> ok thanks
[11:29] <`TUX`> 
[11:29] <`TUX`> breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <`TUX`> breezy 
[11:29] <`TUX`> is  the  new ubuntu?
[11:29] <`TUX`> name
[11:58] <flux> hey, is there a way to create automount-symlinks (knoppix-style)?
[11:58] <flux> for windows-drives and cd-rom
[12:01] <jenton> is right-click-on-desktop -> create new -> link to device not what you want?
[12:03] <flux> no, it shows the mounted devices
[12:03] <flux> hmm
[12:03] <flux> i'll put my windows partitions in fstab
[12:03] <flux> thanks anyway
[12:07] <ice_1963> ok
[12:07] <jenton> ok, that works!
[12:08] <ice_1963> well yes 
[12:08] <jenton> anyone have any idea when kde-apps will be back up?
[12:08] <ice_1963> i have ben useing gnome
[12:09] <ice_1963> and i jest installed kde 3.4
[12:09] <jenton> and now you're using kde?? (kubuntu?)
[12:11] <jenton> I had the last ubuntu version installed (using gnome), but much happier with kubuntu and kde now.
[12:12] <ice_1963> i run kde in redhat but not debian 
[12:12] <jenton> although gnome's synaptic seems like it's had a lot more work done to it than kynaptic
[12:13] <ice_1963> it has
[12:16] <ice_1963> i have ben looking for flashplayer for konqueror by apt-cache srarch 
[12:16] <ice_1963> search lol
[12:33] <verden> Hi
[12:38] <verden> Hi
[12:39] <BlackLabel> how do u install x11 mouse themes with kde
[12:39] <BlackLabel> so they appear in the kde control center
[12:40] <verden> sorry i have no idea
[12:42] <membreya> BlackLabel: http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=36
[12:43] <verden> i had a RC of hoary installed and now have a fresh install of hoary final and more things don't work in the final release than the RC
[12:43] <membreya> BlackLabel: or else you can In KDE Control Centre - Peripherals - Mouse under cursor theme is an "Install New Theme" button - point it to your downloaded theme
[12:44] <BlackLabel> what file the archive or the .theme file
[12:44] <membreya> archive I believe
[12:44] <BlackLabel> doesnt matter coz i tried both
[12:44] <verden> i could custom size my panel but i now can't and i could set my power control to turn off mu monitor and now can't?
[12:50] <verden> hey BlackLabel 
[12:50] <verden> how long have you been using kubuntu?
[12:55] <BlackLabel> hey
[12:55] <BlackLabel> umm
[12:56] <BlackLabel> when the rc came out
[12:56] <verden> same here
[12:56] <verden> did you upgrade from the rc or install the final?
[12:57] <BlackLabel> nah
[12:57] <BlackLabel> i installed the final
[12:58] <verden> did you find it much different to the rc?
[12:59] <BlackLabel> umm not really
[12:59] <verden> k
[12:59] <verden> so what do youthink of kubuntu
[01:00] <BlackLabel> easy and quicker than winxp to install
[01:00] <verden> hey membreya 
[01:00] <verden> it sure is and more stable
[01:01] <verden> so are you new to linux
[01:01] <BlackLabel> umm yes and no
[01:02] <BlackLabel> i havent installed it before but i've used it on other peoples comps
[01:02] <verden> cool
[01:02] <verden> i see your another Aussie
[01:02] <jenton> Same here
[01:03] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:03] <verden> cool
[01:03] <Tm_T> yes, it's quite cool weather ;p
[01:03] <jenton> is it possible to add the debian testing repository to kynaptic's pkg list?
[01:03] <jenton> or not recommended
[01:04] <Tm_T> eh, I can't see any problem with it
[01:04] <verden> yeah but its best to do it by editing your sources.list
[01:04] <Tm_T> yep
[01:05] <verden> i don't think ubuntu recommend it but its still debian
[01:05] <jenton> in.... /etc/apt ? bit new to this.. synaptic was easier
[01:05] <verden> why don't youjust enable the universe repository?
[01:05] <verden> but debian testing is pretty stable
[01:06] <verden> /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:06] <verden> you can download synaptic
[01:06] <BlackLabel> my computer just reset, i think its overheating
[01:06] <verden> it works with kubuntu
[01:06] <verden> wow
[01:07] <verden> is it a new one
[01:07] <BlackLabel> kpackage
[01:07] <jenton> might try that first then...
[01:07] <verden> myu Abit AMD64 used to have similiar problems until i flashjed the bios
[01:08] <verden> ok jenton let me know how it goes
[01:09] <verden> i haven't got Kpackage does it install by default
[01:09] <BlackLabel> dont think so
[01:10] <jenton> I haven't seen it - this is a fresh install of 5.04
[01:10] <verden> no it isn't installed by default
[01:11] <Speedy2> I hvae a question -- is the KDE that's packaged with Kubuntu "default" or "stock" KDE or has it been modified?
[01:11] <verden> i think its been modified for kubuntu
[01:11] <Speedy2> verden: Do you know what the changes are?
[01:11] <verden> no sorry
[01:17] <Chameleon22> how can i pass an iso file to my dvd recorder via a comand line?
[01:17] <BlackLabel> verden: check out my kubuntu desktop... http://203.219.130.10:8001
[01:17] <Boogieman> hello
[01:17] <BlackLabel> then click on screenshot
[01:18] <verden> ok 
[01:23] <Boogieman> has kubuntu a grafikal user interface for the firewall?
[01:26] <Speedy2> Boogieman:  No
[01:33] <Nino> hello, i installed the kubuntu...
[01:33] <Nino> now it doesn't offer an option in KDE Control Center to switch sound to my second soundcard... :/
[01:37] <Nino> (K)ubuntu get's it's package only from harddisk. where can i enter a mirror in internet to look for updates and receive them???
[01:40] <BSDNoob> Hi i have set up kde but i got no sound, is this a known bug?
[01:41] <BSDNoob> i have tried it with xmms opend an mp3 file but i can't heare anything
[01:42] <Nino> BSDNoob: you have two soundcards?
[01:45] <BSDNoob> hm i have one soundcard and a tv card
[01:49] <BSDNoob> nino: the tv card so also appears as an sound card
[01:49] <BSDNoob> but i have selectet the sis in the kmixer
[01:49] <BSDNoob> but it hasen't work
[01:55] <BSDNoob> nino: aplay -l listes card 0 si7012
[02:04] <BlackLabel> when i try to copy files from my home dir to a mount smb share it says permission denied even though read/write is enabled on both sides, is there a way i can open konqueror as su?
[02:08] <freex> is there a bug fix for Konqueror crash?
[02:14] <flux> hey, i've got a sound problem
[02:15] <flux> i've got an onboard card and a sound blaster (pci)
[02:15] <flux> how can i configure kde which one to use?
[02:15] <flux> pardon my bad english ;)
[02:16] <BSDNoob> flux : i too i think you have an sis chip?
[02:16] <flux> no via
[02:16] <BSDNoob> aplay -l
[02:16] <BSDNoob> what apears?
[02:17] <flux> i'm going to paste the top lines here....
[02:17] <flux> :#
[02:17] <flux> card 0: rev20 [VIA 82C686A/B rev20] , device 0: VIA 82C686A/B rev20 [VIA 82C686A/B rev20] 
[02:17] <flux>   Subdevices: 1/1
[02:17] <flux>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[02:17] <flux> card 1: Live [Sound Blaster Live!] , device 0: emu10k1 [EMU10K1] 
[02:17] <flux>   Subdevices: 32/32
[02:18] <flux> o AND
[02:18] <flux> more to the bottom
[02:18] <flux> card 1: Live [Sound Blaster Live!] , device 2: emu10k1 efx [EMU10K1 EFX] 
[02:18] <flux>   Subdevices: 8/8
[02:18] <BSDNoob> hm have you turnd on the mixer?
[02:18] <BSDNoob> kmixer for eg 
[02:18] <flux> kmix?
[02:18] <BSDNoob> yes
[02:19] <flux> works
[02:19] <flux> it can open the sound blaster
[02:19] <R3bus> ciao a tutti -- hi all
[02:20] <BSDNoob> and are the devices unmunted?
[02:20] <flux> how can i check that?
[02:20] <flux> *linux noob alert!* ;)
[02:21] <BSDNoob> if the is a green light is is unmuted
[02:22] <flux> oh unmuted
[02:22] <flux> sb-master is unmuted
[02:22] <flux> sb-pcm as well
[02:22] <flux> i've muted everything on my onboard card
[02:22] <BSDNoob> hm, then i think you have the same problem as i
[02:22] <incubii> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[02:22] <incubii> card 0: Snapper [PowerMac Snapper] , device 0: PMac Snapper [PowerMac Snapper] 
[02:22] <incubii>   Subdevices: 0/1
[02:22] <incubii>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[02:22] <incubii> hehe
[02:22] <incubii> it likes to snap :P
[02:23] <flux> hahaha BSDNoob, thanks for your help ;)
[02:23] <flux> what do you mean, incubii ?
[02:23] <BSDNoob> i have a sis si7012 and it also didnt work, trying to figure it out, i hade run gentoo bevor and it works
[02:26] <incubii> PMac Snapper...it likes to snap, as in bite :P
[02:29] <BSDNoob> flux: are you here?
[02:29] <BSDNoob> flux : i have found the solution
[02:31] <flux> tell me!
[02:36] <Tm_T> hm
[02:41] <incubii> any of you code with python?
[02:41] <\sh> a bit
[02:43] <incubii> ok i have an array lines i want to access lines[0]  which has say 8 letters but i want letters 2-8 not 1-8. do i need to assign lines[0]  to a variable firsth then to temp[1:]  ?
[02:58] <pointwood> any Konversation gurus around? I would like to change the tabs to use a smaller font - is that possible?
[02:58] <pointwood> I would also like to change the userlist to only show the nicknames
[03:01] <Boogieman> the tabs in xchat?
[03:01] <Boogieman> that you can do in the options
[03:01] <pointwood> no, in Konversation, the kde irc client
[03:01] <pointwood> since I'm using KDE, I'm trying to use as many KDE apps as possible :)
[03:01] <Boogieman> then i dont know how it works
[03:01] <DexterF> hi
[03:02] <pointwood> Konversation is actually not bad, but I got a few things I would like to change as you can see :)
[03:02] <DexterF> the hoary live cd can act as an installer just as the install cd, right?
[03:05] <psn> pointwood: no the tabs uses the kde font
[03:05] <pointwood> ahh...so I have to change that font
[03:06] <psn> pointwood: that's a solution :)
[03:06] <psn> pointwood: feel free to stop by #konversation if you got more questions
[03:07] <pointwood> was wondering whether there was such a # :)
[03:07] <Nino> Is it possible to us the Ubuntu install CD and directly get all packages from network instead of geting data from CD? 
[03:10] <_bernd> is anybody using transcode?
[03:11] <_bernd> I cannot get it installed becaus of dependency problems
[03:12] <\sh> _bernd: it's not in the repository
[03:13] <\sh> the debian package u can forget
[03:14] <_bernd> so I have to compile it 
[03:14] <darkaudit> _bernd: have you tried the marillat repo?
[03:15] <_bernd> Yes, but there are unresolved dependecies
[03:16] <darkaudit> _bernd: hmm... the cerkinfo repo has it too, but the dependencies there are even worse... he repackaged a lot more of the codecs
[03:19] <SuperCatFrog> hi - does anybody know how to make irssi run a command when it starts up (i'd like to put /msg nickserv identify <mypassword>) since i can do everything else like -c <server>for connect
[03:19] <_bernd> I'll give it a try
[03:23] <Boogieman> bye
[03:33] <DexterF> can Kubuntu be installed from the live CD or do I need the install CD by all means?
[03:34] <haggai> SuperCatFrog: /ircnet add -autosendcmd "/msg nickserv ident PASSWORD; wait -NAME 2000" NAME
[03:34] <haggai> SuperCatFrog: replace NAME with the irc network name (e.g. freenode) and PASSWORD with your password
[03:34] <SuperCatFrog> kaggai - where do i do that?
[03:34] <haggai> SuperCatFrog: then use "/server add" to add the server
[03:35] <haggai> SuperCatFrog: enter the commands in irssi, then use /save
[03:35] <SuperCatFrog> ok ta
[03:35] <pointwood> what package is it that gives gtk apps a kde look?
[03:36] <SuperCatFrog> brb
[03:36] <haggai> DexterF: there isn't enough room on the live CD for installation packages too, so you do need the install CD.  But the DVD has both live and install modes
[03:37] <SuperCatFrog> hi - it remembered my name but didn't send the password
[03:37] <DexterF> haggai: k
[03:38] <haggai> SuperCatFrog: did you also do the server bit?
[03:38] <SuperCatFrog> i think so, what was it?
[03:38] <haggai> SuperCatFrog: /server add ...
[03:38] <SuperCatFrog> yes - /server add irc.freenode.org
[03:38] <SuperCatFrog> then /save
[03:39] <haggai> SuperCatFrog: /server add -ircnet ... ?
[03:40] <SuperCatFrog> i just did that and it said 'not enough paramaters given'
[03:40] <haggai>  /server help :P
[03:40] <haggai> uh, /help server
[03:40] <SuperCatFrog> ta
[03:41] <SuperCatFrog> well im on freenode (which is wehere i want my password saved) and i did /server freenode before
[03:41] <SuperCatFrog> actually - i realised my mistake, can you send the commands again (i put irc.freenode.org in the long command instead of freenode)
[03:41] <SuperCatFrog> sorry
[03:42] <eggy> yay for kubuntu :)
[03:47] <linuzo> I was wondering why menueditor in kde doesn't work?
[03:47] <linuzo> and hjow do I fix it
[03:48] <linuzo> hey mikl 
[03:50] <SuperCatFrog> one more problem im having, what do i put in /etc/networking/interfaces to give eth0 a static ip? 
[03:50] <SuperCatFrog> ive tried replacing dhcp on the bottom line with the ip, but that failed
[03:51] <SuperCatFrog> hi, sorry about that, i tried giving my eth0 a static ip and broke it
[03:51] <linuzo> Menu Editor doesn't work for me.........  there is no binary
[03:51] <haggai> SuperCatFrog: which commands did you want?
[03:52] <haggai>  /ircnet add -autosendcmd "/msg nickserv ident PASSWORD; wait -NAME 2000" NAME
[03:52] <haggai>  /help server
[03:52] <haggai>  /server add -ircnet freenode irc.freenode.org
[03:52] <SuperCatFrog> thanks, 
[03:52] <SuperCatFrog> *thanks
[03:52] <haggai> np
[03:53] <SuperCatFrog> so how do i make it use that? $irssi freenode
[03:55] <SuperCatFrog> brb
[03:58] <_bernd> backports are the solution for transcode
[03:58] <SuperCatFrog> back
[04:00] <SuperCatFrog> can anybody tell me the package for the commandline mysql client (the server is installed, but running sudo mysql said "command not found")
[04:02] <BlackLabel> is it possible to install a boot splash screen?
[04:04] <SuperCatFrog> blacklabel - http://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/
[04:04] <BlackLabel> thanks'
[04:07] <SuperCatFrog> better explanation here: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=22714
[04:07] <SuperCatFrog> youve just given me the idea to set this up for myself, thaks
[04:07] <SuperCatFrog> *thanks
[04:08] <BlackLabel> haha your welcome
[04:09] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know a good place to find grub splash themes?
[04:10] <BlackLabel> gonna try to top link
[04:15] <BlackLabel> SuperCatFrog: what was the link u sent me again?
[04:19] <`TUX`> haggai:  what s  about  breezy 
[04:19] <`TUX`> ?
[04:19] <haggai> what about it?
[04:19] <`TUX`> is the  next  ubuntu  devel distro?
[04:19] <haggai> yes, opened for uploads today
[04:19] <`TUX`> it is on the  new  ML breezy changelog
[04:19] <`TUX`> not  in the  mirrors
[04:20] <`TUX`> thanks
[04:20] <Tm_T> haggai: there's info about it in kubuntu website?
[04:22] <haggai> Tm_T: a little, search for breezy
[04:25] <Tm_T> ok then
[04:25] <Tm_T> thanks
[04:26] <Tm_T> idle ->
[04:32] <`TUX`> there  is  a way  with  apt  or  trough a  gui  like  kynaptic  synaptic  to  view  packages  divided by  repository ?
[04:35] <BlackLabel> have a look at kpackage 
[04:38] <uniq> tux: you can use 'apt-cache policy package' if that's what you're looking for.. 
[04:39] <BlackLabel> uniq: do u know about boot splash screens for kubuntu?
[04:40] <uniq> blacklabel: like, disable them? 
[04:40] <`TUX`> uniq:  it  give me only  for one  pack 
[04:40] <uniq> `tux`: you'd like to know which packages are in what repository? 
[04:40] <`TUX`> i was  searcing  how  view  all  packages  in  a  sources 
[04:40] <`TUX`> uhmm  if  i add  your  repositary  
[04:41] <`TUX`> i like to  see  all  your  pack  
[04:41] <uniq> ahh.. like that.
[04:41] <`TUX`> it  appear  in  "new"  on synaptic 
[04:41] <`TUX`> for  the  first  update 
[04:41] <`TUX`> but  on mandrake  with  rpmdrake  sources  like  plf  ( similar  to  nerim marillat ) 
[04:42] <BlackLabel> uniq: i mean how to get a graphical image replacing the text that appears when u boot
[04:44] <uniq> ahh.. bootsplash? 
[04:45] <uniq> blacklabel: take a look at http://bootsplash.de/
[04:48] <uniq> tux: I don't know if any package managers got an option to do that.. the easiest is probably to open the archive in your webbrowser..
[04:48] <uniq> not a very elegant solution.. but.. anyway.
[04:55] <linuzo> Hey all I was wondering why menu editor doesn't work on kde
[04:55] <linuzo> and how do I get it to work?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> linuzo: for kde, use kmenuedit
[04:58] <linuzo> thoreauputic, thank you..  One last thing do you know how to setup samba to print from a windows printer??  or have a howto on it?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> linuzo: there was a port on that on the mailing list - maybe search the archive: it was quite recent
[05:00] <thoreauputic> linuzo: I don't use windows, but I believe you set up a win printer share on the windows box
[05:00] <thoreauputic> I meant "post" of course, not "port"
[05:00] <Kamping_kaiser> whats up?
[05:02] <linuzo> ok thanks thoreauputic 
[05:11] <mikl> is there a way to change install-CD without having to check CD-rom
[05:11] <mikl> integrity?
[05:28] <dmpohlman> no one talking?
[05:29] <uniq> dmpohlman: seems not.
[05:30] <dreezard> hi everyone
[05:30] <dmpohlman> hello
[05:30] <dreezard> i got a little problem here
[05:31] <uniq> shoot.
[05:32] <dreezard> Sry if my english is not that well. Well, I just set my the new Kubuntu version. And it runs. The Motion resolution is right but it only runs at 55hz
[05:32] <dreezard> I edited the xorg.conf file and wrote the right HorizSync and VertRefresh there
[05:34] <dreezard> do you know how to fix this problem?
[05:35] <uniq> have you tried xrandr ? 
[05:35] <KaiL> get a monitor, which tells the system the right values :p
[05:35] <dreezard> what is that?
[05:36] <dreezard> But it worked well with Ubuntu@kail
[05:36] <uniq> dreezard: kmenu - control center - pheripherals - monitor.
[05:36] <uniq> or something.. 
[05:37] <dreezard> yea. I tried that. But the only choice is 55hz
[05:37] <uniq> ahh.. 
[05:37] <buz> apropos xorg, is there any way i can force it to use a mode? it keeps sending crap to my lcd when i try to run it on 1600*1200
[05:37] <buz> (it can do it perfectly well, both osx and win have no problem driving it  that way)
[05:37] <uniq> buz: like the good old xfree? Modes 1600x1200 or something? 
[05:37] <dreezard> may it help if I post my xorg.conf? Maybe there's a mistake in it
[05:38] <uniq> I use my old xfree config.. everything works.
[05:38] <buz> if i put "1600x1200" to the other modes, the lcd tells me it gets invalid output
[05:38] <uniq> dreezard: maybe.. wouldn't hurt anyway.. 
[05:38] <KaiL> dreezard: paste there: http://pastebin.ca/
[05:38] <dreezard> thx
[05:38] <KaiL> and the output from ddcprobe too
[05:39] <dreezard> http://pastebin.ca/9477
[05:39] <buz> ddcprobe finds correct values for both my screens
[05:39] <buz> but x itself fails to drive them correctly
[05:39] <SuperCatFrog> hi - does anybody have any experience with dvb cards in kubuntu? ive loaded the modules but hotplug isn't creating the device node
[05:39] <dreezard> ah yea
[05:39] <dreezard> I thee a mistake
[05:39] <KaiL> buz: do you get a "monitorrange: 31-67, 59-61" line?
[05:39] <dreezard> see
[05:39] <buz> monitorrange: 30-83, 50-75
[05:40] <KaiL> looks good
[05:40] <KaiL> strange
[05:40] <buz> the display probably goes all the way up to 108khz
[05:40] <dreezard> sth is wrote in german. seems wrong
[05:40] <KaiL> dreezard: who?!
[05:41] <buz> its kinda weird that ddcprobe only displays one screen though?
[05:41] <buz> not needed for dvi maybe?
[05:41] <KaiL> "one screen"?!
[05:41] <dreezard> in my corg.conf. But... no... it can't be that...
[05:41] <buz> well i got 17" (dvi) and 20"(analog) side by side
[05:41] <dreezard> I meaned the Identifier of the monitor
[05:42] <KaiL> buz: then be happy to get any ddcprobe-output at all - I get an error with 2 screens enabled
[05:42] <buz> interesting
[05:42] <buz> maybe i shouldn't be using DPMS with xinerama?
[05:42] <KaiL> why not?
[05:43] <buz> wait
[05:43] <buz> DPMS is for power saving
[05:43] <buz> i meant auto configuration
[05:43] <KaiL> ddc?
[05:43] <buz> yeah
[05:43] <buz> it seems to work for the 17" lcd
[05:43] <buz> not for the 20" one
[05:43] <buz> (the 17" is kinda crap which makes it even weirder )
[05:44] <KaiL> maybe the 20" one sends nonsence
[05:44] <buz> ddcprobe reports pretty sane stuff if you ask me
[05:44] <KaiL> from the 20"?
[05:44] <buz> yeah
[05:44] <buz> ctiming: 1600x1200@60
[05:44] <buz> that's sane enough 
[05:44] <KaiL> maybe you have to exchange them in xorg.conf?
[05:45] <buz> i tried
[05:45] <buz> it used to be that the 17" was on the analog port, didnt work either
[05:45] <buz> maybe i should just throw that ati crap out and get dual dvi nvidia
[05:45] <KaiL> strange, very strange
[05:45] <KaiL> get a Matrox G550 :)
[05:46] <buz> i want my new machine to be pci e
[05:46] <buz> no matrox for those afaik
[05:46] <KaiL> there's a matrox - but no LInux-driver for it :(
[05:46] <KaiL> but this doesn't help...
[05:46] <buz> not very useful then
[05:46] <bagi> 
[05:47] <KaiL> you get ddc infos for VGA or for DVI?
[05:49] <buz> vga
[05:50] <KaiL> try to set the values for that manually on the dvi-port, exchange the screens and restart :)
[05:50] <buz> i think i'll just wait till i get my new box in a few weeks
[05:50] <KaiL> why not try it? :)
[05:51] <buz> i tried
[05:51] <buz> didnt work last time
[05:51] <buz> probably wont this time either
[05:51] <KaiL> hmm
[05:51] <KaiL> that's interesting.....
[05:51] <KaiL> does it work with dvi disabled?
[05:51] <buz> mhh good question
[05:52] <KaiL> sounds like a bigger bug...
[05:52] <buz> probably not
[05:52] <buz> sounds like ddc weirdness to me
[05:52] <buz> mhh i might try with the dvi monitor shut off
[05:59] <KaiL> .o0(now he killed his X at all? ;)
[06:02] <ubuntu> hi all :)
[06:02] <CellarDoor> hi
[06:04] <KaiL> ..noone having problems?
[06:04] <KaiL> maybe NOT with X? :)
[06:06] <CellarDoor> I can't get onto ablazenet irc since I installed kubuntu tried with Konversation & Xchat but I keep getting banned by the server saying that Im infected with / using "StarWar" ???
[06:06] <CellarDoor> iyam a n00b
[06:07] <KaiL> what is the exact name of that irc server?
[06:08] <CellarDoor> dewdrops.ablazenet.com
[06:08] <CellarDoor> irc.ablazenet.org
[06:08] <KaiL> rehi bur[n] er 
[06:08] <KaiL> eh
[06:08] <KaiL> rehi buz 
[06:09] <buz> re
[06:09] <buz> i was messing around with it, no luck it seems.
[06:09] <buz> not even when the screen is there alone.
[06:09] <KaiL> strange... and the 17" works?
[06:10] <AlfonsVH> hi guys; I want to install Wine with kynaptic or apt-get, but for some reason the url I entered in the sources.list file can't be found
[06:10] <KaiL> CellarDoor: at least I don't get kicked...
[06:10] <buz> the following struck me, tho http://pastebin.ca/9478
[06:10] <AlfonsVH> I tried the wine mirror and the ubuntu universal mirrors
[06:10] <CellarDoor> KaiL, ah thats good... so its just me then
[06:10] <SuperCatFrog> hi - anybody got their dvb card working in kubuntu
[06:11] <KaiL> buz: hm, no values...
[06:11] <buz> maybe xorg can't do it, look at the last two lines
[06:11] <CellarDoor> I only installed kubuntu the other night, i don't see why their server shouldn't like me
[06:12] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: why not using the normal ubuntu server? There's a wine version :)
[06:12] <KaiL> Section: universe/otherosfs
[06:13] <KaiL> ...might be required to enable universe in sources.list
[06:13] <AlfonsVH> KaiL, I tried to enable universe, but it says that there was a temporary failure and that the url couldn't be resolved
[06:14] <AlfonsVH> I've got a proxy-connection, could it be because of that?
[06:14] <KaiL> might be...
[06:14] <AlfonsVH> and would that be fixeable?
[06:14] <KaiL> uhm... good question :)
[06:14] <AlfonsVH> or would it be possible to just download all the files in the Wine directory using Konqueror and than install them using dpkg?
[06:14] <buz> seems like a custom mode line could do it (read about a similar problem a guy had with a nec 20" on xfree), bbl
[06:15] <KaiL> http::Proxy http://[[user] [:pass] @] host[:port] /
[06:16] <KaiL> ...in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:16] <AlfonsVH> but I don't have a user name; just using my other computer as proxy server... could I leave that empty or just write whatever I want?
[06:16] <KaiL> then only http://] host[:port] /
[06:17] <KaiL> http://192.168.1.1:3168
[06:17] <KaiL> ...or whatever
[06:17] <AlfonsVH> so it has to be http::Proxy http://10.0.0.1:6588/ (in my case)
[06:18] <SuperCatFrog> hi - does anybody know howto stop a module from loading on boot, even if udev detects the device which requires the module?
[06:18] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: there's a blacklist....
[06:18] <AlfonsVH> KaiL, I only have a apt.conf.d file; is that ok too?
[06:18] <SuperCatFrog> kail - where?
[06:19] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: eh, yes.. the file is /etc/apt/aapt.conf.d/pt.conf
[06:19] <KaiL> grr
[06:19] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: eh, yes.. the file is /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/apt.conf
[06:19] <KaiL> create, if doesn't exist
[06:19] <AlfonsVH> k
[06:20] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:20] <SuperCatFrog> ta
[06:20] <buz> ok, with the custom modeline, i can drive the screen (commenting the other out from ScreenLayout) alone with 1600*1200
[06:21] <buz> but as soon as i go back to dual head, it only more uses 1280*1024
[06:21] <KaiL> eh, dualhead with or without xinerama?
[06:21] <buz> with
[06:21] <KaiL> maybe that's a hardware reglementation?
[06:21] <buz> no
[06:21] <AlfonsVH> doesn't work: "Temporary failure resolving 'be.archive.ubuntu.com'
[06:21] <buz> windows did it perfectly well
[06:22] <SuperCatFrog> thanks kail
[06:22] <SuperCatFrog> brb - got to reboot because that module is in use
[06:22] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: ah, wait.. the dns
[06:22] <buz> what exactly does xinerama do anyway
[06:22] <KaiL> do you have working dns on that system at all?
[06:22] <buz> dual head seems to somehow work without
[06:22] <AlfonsVH> I don't know to be honest
[06:22] <KaiL> buz: making them one big screen, not 2 independant ones
[06:22] <AlfonsVH> I'm using a Windows 2k computer running Proxy by AnalogX to define the proxy thing
[06:23] <buz> that is what i want
[06:23] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: try a 'ping www.heise.de' on that box..
[06:23] <buz> but maybe xinerama can't work with different resolutions...
[06:23] <KaiL> buz: afair you only miss some bottom pixels on the small one
[06:23] <AlfonsVH> ok
[06:23] <KaiL> ...even worse than changing the res
[06:24] <AlfonsVH> KaiL: "www.heise.de: unknown host
[06:24] <KaiL> ok, broken dns...
[06:24] <AlfonsVH> and how do I have to configure that?
[06:25] <buz> mhh lets see what happens without xinerama
[06:25] <KaiL> echo nameserver 217.237.150.225 >> /etc/resolv.conf
[06:26] <KaiL> ups
[06:26] <KaiL> eh, yes.. works
[06:26] <niskin> how can I put an icon on my desktop for Pan - I have just installed it - but i dosnt show up ?
[06:27] <rolandx> somebody can tellme why i can autentificate in the cups web admin interface? :s
[06:27] <KaiL> niskin: should be in the menu - in "internet"
[06:27] <rolandx> *i can't
[06:28] <AlfonsVH> KaiL, were you talking to me about the nameserver echo?
[06:28] <niskin> dosnt show - in the menu
[06:28] <KaiL> rolandx: good question - that one want's the root-pw :)
[06:28] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: yes
[06:29] <AlfonsVH> Kail: I did it and nothing happened; the resolv.conf file just lists "nameserver 217.237.150.225"
[06:29] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: any now try again to do the apt-get or the ping :)
[06:29] <rolandx> KaiL: i can't. i put the pass of root
[06:29] <rolandx> and nothing..
[06:29] <rolandx> :(
[06:29] <AlfonsVH> KaiL, www.heise.de is still an unknown host
[06:30] <KaiL> ...bah...
[06:30] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[06:30] <rolandx> somebody can sendme a cupsd.conf example?
[06:30] <KaiL> routing works? ;)
[06:30] <rolandx> or what could be a problem here :S
[06:30] <rolandx> :(
[06:30] <KaiL> niskin: usr/share/gnome/apps/Internet/pan.desktop
[06:31] <AlfonsVH> dunno if routing works
[06:31] <AlfonsVH> how to test it?
[06:31] <KaiL> niskin: copy that file to ~/Desktop
[06:31] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: ping 217.237.150.225
[06:32] <niskin> Kai: Thanks !!!L
[06:32] <niskin> KaiL: Thanks :-)
[06:32] <KaiL> :)
[06:32] <KaiL> and works, including icon?
[06:32] <rolandx> somebody? :( plz
[06:33] <AlfonsVH> KaiL: "connect: Network is unreacheable"
[06:33] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: can you even ping your router? ;)
[06:34] <AlfonsVH> I don't have a router; I'm just straightly connected to the other PC
[06:34] <KaiL> well, you need something for routing....
[06:34] <AlfonsVH> hmm
[06:34] <KaiL> set that other PC (thw one with the proxy I guess) as gateway
[06:35] <KaiL> kde controlcenter -> network & internet  -> configure network
[06:35] <KaiL> ..there :)
[06:36] <AlfonsVH> KaiL; how to do that? I can only configure the standard-gateway since I'm using windows 2000 on the proxy-pc
[06:36] <KaiL> gateway / router is the same (in this point)
[06:37] <AlfonsVH> yes I know but how to use the Win2k PC as gateway?
[06:37] <uniq> alfonsvh: configure Internet Connection sharing on the  win2000 machine.
[06:37] <KaiL> kde controlcenter -> network & internet  -> configure network
[06:37] <AlfonsVH> (I'm a newbie in networking AND linux, as you probably have figured out already)
[06:37] <uniq> then just enable dhcp on the linux machine.. 
[06:37] <AlfonsVH> OK I'll try
[06:37] <KaiL> uniq: ah, that's the way on the windows side
[06:38] <uniq> kail: it is :)
[06:38] <uniq> I've been forced too.
[06:38] <dreezard> hi again
[06:38] <KaiL> rehi dreezard 
[06:38] <KaiL> now somebody left, who needs help?
[06:39] <linuzo> I was wondering why everytime I send a file to trash can the browser crashes..
[06:39] <dreezard> my problem is fixed now
[06:39] <KaiL> .o0(I shouldn't ask, as there where 3 "here" last time)
[06:39] <uniq> dreezard: great. what did you do? 
[06:39] <KaiL> linuzo: not nice
[06:39] <uniq> linuzo: hard to tell.. if it just crashes.. 
[06:39] <linuzo> yeah I know
[06:40] <linuzo> and sometimes it shows 2 of everything
[06:40] <linuzo> in my home folder
[06:40] <AlfonsVH> now that I enabled DHCP, do I have to disable proxies in Konqueror?
[06:40] <AlfonsVH> because right now I don't have connection
[06:41] <dreezard> well. the resolution was a little wrog. I set it up with 1152x768. But I wanted to use 1152x864. I always confuse with those two
[06:41] <KaiL> AlfonsVH: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:41] <KaiL> ...should be enabled as default
[06:42] <KaiL> ..or did you set an ip on the client?
[06:42] <AlfonsVH> I did yes
[06:42] <KaiL> dreezard: all res are 32*n
[06:43] <KaiL> oh, that's 32*27 - forget my "help" :=)
[06:43] <dreezard> But i still have got a little question :-) It was easy to configure the nework with Ubuntu. But I couldn't find a tool for that in Kubuntu. Do you know how set it up then?
[06:43] <KaiL> kde controlcenter -> network & internet  -> configure network
[06:43] <KaiL> @ dreezard 
[06:43] <uniq> alfonsvh: no.. or.. if you'd like to use the proxy i'll save you some bandwidth.. for browsing.. but it's not needed.
[06:43] <KaiL> and there should also be the setting for AlfonsVH  :))
[06:43] <dreezard> many thx
[06:44] <AlfonsVH> right now I don't have internet connection
[06:44] <KaiL> <<brb
[06:44] <AlfonsVH> I enabled DHCP, shared the internet connection on the 2k machine etc...
[06:44] <uniq> and restarted networking on the linux machine?
[06:44] <AlfonsVH> nope I'll try that
[06:45] <dreezard> well, that was everything. thx again. bye
[06:45] <AlfonsVH> do I just have to disable internet and then enable it again?
[06:47] <AlfonsVH> When I try to open my internet settings in Admin mode, the Config panel hangs
[06:47] <AlfonsVH> should I just try to reboot Linux?
[06:48] <uniq> alfonsvh: start konsole, and write: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[06:48] <AlfonsVH> ok
[06:49] <AlfonsVH>  is it normal that it takes a quite long time?
[06:51] <AlfonsVH> OK the reconfiguring thing worked but I still don't have internet connection, uniq!
[06:52] <AlfonsVH> Oh; I see why; the ethernet device is disabled. I can't start in Admin mode since it hangs when i do that
[06:53] <AlfonsVH> wait a minute; I'm going to try to reboot and try everything over again
[06:55] <AVH> ok I'm back
[06:55] <AVH> I'm AlfonsVH
[06:55] <AVH> strange...
[06:58] <AVH> uniq, still  no connection
[06:59] <AVH> maybe good to know that I have a USB ADSL modem on the 2k computer
[06:59] <AVH> that's why I used a Proxy program in the first place
[06:59] <KaiL> AVH: doesn't matter - connection is connection :)
[06:59] <uniq> doesn't matter..
[06:59] <AVH> hmm
[06:59] <KaiL> oh, and re
[06:59] <AVH> but there isn't any connection KaiL ;)
[07:00] <KaiL> there is any on the windows box
[07:00] <KaiL> you have enabled the Internet Connection Sharing there?
[07:00] <AVH> yes; there is a LAN connection to the linux thing and a normal shared internet connection
[07:00] <AVH> using TCP/IP
[07:00] <KaiL> you've set the linux client to use dhcp?
[07:00] <AVH> yep
[07:01] <KaiL> you got an ip from the windows box?
[07:01] <KaiL> type ifconfig to find that out
[07:01] <uniq> in konsole as usual.
[07:01] <KaiL>           inet Adresse:192.168.1.7  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Maske:255.255.255.0
[07:01] <KaiL> such a like should be there...
[07:02] <KaiL> NOT the lo with 127.0.0.1, that isn't enough
[07:02] <AVH> ok I'll try
[07:03] <AVH> I find a eth0 device but with a hexadecimal inet6 address
[07:03] <KaiL> no ipv4 one?
[07:04] <AVH> nope
[07:04] <KaiL> did you reboot the linux box after enabling dhcp?
[07:04] <AVH> yep
[07:04] <KaiL> hmm...
[07:04] <AVH> strange eh
[07:04] <KaiL> could you paste /etc/network/interfaces to http://pastebin.ca/ ?
[07:05] <AVH> it will be quite difficult without connection I assume; right now I'm working on the 2k box; you see
[07:05] <KaiL> ah, yes...
[07:06] <AVH> but wait; I could put it on USB stick
[07:06] <KaiL> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:06] <KaiL> auto eth0
[07:06] <KaiL> those 2 should be there
[07:06] <KaiL> (and "auto lo")
[07:07] <AVH> I'll paste it in a second
[07:09] <uniq> you can always force dhclient on the interface.
[07:09] <uniq> sudo dhclient eth0
[07:10] <AVH> ok it's saved on the pastebin (network/interfac)
[07:10] <KaiL> that doesn't help after a reboot, if dhcp isn't enabled
[07:10] <KaiL> AVH: URL?
[07:10] <AVH> http://pastebin.ca/9483
[07:11] <KaiL> hmm
[07:11] <KaiL> that should work
[07:11] <KaiL> now as uniq said... can the dhcpserver be disabled on the windows box, uniq ?
[07:12] <AVH> I tried the sudo dhclient eth0 and it says "dhcdiscover on eth0 blahblahblah"
[07:12] <KaiL> anything aboult an error?
[07:13] <KaiL> or did you get an ip?
[07:13] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[07:13] <LeeJunFan> kkathman!
[07:13] <KaiL> welcome
[07:13] <kkathman> hey there LeeJunFan how are you today?
[07:14] <AVH> euhm... no errors, dhcdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval x"
[07:14] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: other than a headache not bad. Finally getting around to putting the kub to another one of my machines :)
[07:15] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: Great hope everything is running well.  Sorry to hear about your headache tho.
[07:15] <AVH> only thing is, KaiL, that my win2k ip is 10.0.0.1 and not the 255 thing
[07:15] <KaiL> AVH: 255... means it askes every possible IP
[07:15] <AVH> ooh
[07:16] <KaiL> broadcast
[07:16] <AVH> but is it ok that it displays that?
[07:16] <AVH> I assume it is
[07:16] <KaiL> and the dhcp-server *should* answer then....
[07:16] <KaiL> ...if it exists
[07:16] <AVH> and what does it display then?
[07:16] <KaiL> uhm, good question :)
[07:16] <SuperCatFrog> hi - ive been trying to setup a splashtheme for grub, but usplash isn't in the repositories - any idea's anybody?
[07:16] <AVH> right now it says "No DHCPOffers received"
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: so far I'm just clearing out windows. Figure I'm going to force linux on my family :) I'm going to disable networking on windows and setup an account that basically can only play games. hehe. I'm sick of fixing the windows.
[07:17] <AVH> so I don't think it answered :(
[07:17] <KaiL> there goes the problem to windows... uniq, your part
[07:17] <KaiL> if the cable is connected :_)
[07:17] <AVH> ok uniq.... tell me what to do!!!
[07:17] <AVH> of course the cable is connected ;)
[07:17] <KaiL> LeeJunFan: haha
[07:18] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I know how you feel..I go back over to my windows boxes and its non-performant, and just so many bugs even in XP!
[07:18] <kkathman> I wish I could replace All the WIndows systems in my family!!
[07:18] <KaiL> why not?
[07:18] <KaiL> Gamers?
[07:19] <KaiL> let them pay the energy bill and the'll stop gaming *fg*
[07:19] <AVH> ok KaiL and uniq; I'm going to surf using the proxy right now; I have to make my homework :(. I'll try the DHCP thing later (you will hear from it ;) )
[07:19] <AVH> bye
[07:19] <AVH> !!
[07:19] <AVH> thanks for the help so far
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> Even I have to venture to the dark side once in a while to play Longbow, or SWAT4, etc...
[07:20] <KaiL> wine :p
[07:21] <KaiL> Windows-Server + Linux-Client + anti-expert = ohje
[07:21] <SuperCatFrog> the first thing i think when i have to fix somebody elses windows machine is "ARGH! my eyes! luna is burning my eyes!"
[07:21] <SuperCatFrog> after that i notice how bloody annoying it is to configure without all the common linux cli utils (and some gui ones)
[07:22] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: the first I always miss is /var/log/*
[07:22] <SuperCatFrog> killall -9 and rm are my most missed utils
[07:22] <SuperCatFrog> bloody file locking
[07:22] <buz> ifconfig
[07:22] <KaiL> because I want to know, WHAT is wrong, not only THAT something is wrong...
[07:23] <SuperCatFrog> on the subject of themes (luna, burning my eyes), does anybody know of a debian repository that contains mandrake artwork (i like galaxy classic)
[07:23] <buz> i refuse to fix anymore windows boxes
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> buz: Fix them by putting ubuntu on them.
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> :)
[07:24] <KaiL> haha
[07:24] <buz> nah
[07:24] <KaiL> kubuntu :)
[07:24] <buz> people deserve no better
[07:24] <buz> if fix them by buying macs
[07:27] <SuperCatFrog> anybody know where to get galaxy-classic from? or would  i have to download the source
[07:28] <TestDummy> Er...
[07:28] <TestDummy> I still cannot access my Windows drive right
[07:29] <gdh> LeeJunFan: Better than that, 'Windows is now restarting' without any "OK" button =)
[07:29] <spiral> hi
[07:29] <TestDummy> I tried to add it like I was told, it shows up
[07:29] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: searched on apt-get.org ?
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> gdh: true.
[07:29] <TestDummy> But it tells me I don't have enough permissions
[07:29] <TestDummy> =|
[07:29] <SuperCatFrog> kail - yes
[07:30] <KaiL> then ask google or give up
[07:30] <KaiL> or use alien for the rpms :)
[07:30] <SuperCatFrog> kail - have done, found mandrake-cooker, got an srpm
[07:30] <TestDummy> Even if I try to open Konqueror with sudo and switch the permissions around, it doesn't work.
[07:31] <KaiL> TestDummy: who did help you last time?
[07:31] <TestDummy> Er... I forget actually
[07:31] <KaiL> bad, so what did you write to fstab?
[07:32] <TestDummy> Let's see..
[07:32] <TestDummy> This is the entry in there for the drive right now
[07:32] <TestDummy> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro              0       0
[07:33] <KaiL> there was something with umask...
[07:33] <TestDummy> I know
[07:33] <LeeJunFan> is /media/windows dir there?
[07:33] <TestDummy> It shows up
[07:33] <TestDummy> But it's locked
[07:34] <TestDummy> If I open Konqueror as root, it'll let me right in.
[07:34] <KaiL> ro,auto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=iso885
[07:34] <TestDummy> ???
[07:35] <KaiL> .o0(or without "users")
[07:35] <SuperCatFrog> woo! got mandrake galaxy (from ftp://ftp.sunsite.org.uk/package/mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/i586/media/main/ incase anybody is interested)
[07:35] <TestDummy> I'm confused
[07:35] <TestDummy> Can you clairify on that.
[07:35] <TestDummy> What do I do with that line?
[07:35] <LeeJunFan> SuperCatFrog: nope, no one is :)
[07:35] <LeeJunFan> SuperCatFrog: you mean Mandriva - btw.
[07:36] <SuperCatFrog> oh ye
[07:36] <TestDummy> KaiL: Do I add that to options?
[07:36] <KaiL> o,defaults,users,umask=0002
[07:36] <KaiL> that should be enough
[07:36] <KaiL> yes
[07:36] <KaiL> ro, defaults... should that be
[07:36] <TestDummy> I was about to say
[07:36] <SuperCatFrog> leejunfan - i just thought i'd point it out, because as crap as mandrake is as a distro, mandrake galaxy is pretty
[07:37] <SuperCatFrog> *mandrake galaxy classic
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> Mandriva has a lot of renaming to do, rpmdrake -> rpmdriva, diskdriva, drivaconf, XFdriva, etc. heheh
[07:37] <SuperCatFrog> heh
[07:37] <SuperCatFrog> bbl
[07:37] <TestDummy> I guess I'm gonna need to reboot to see if this works
[07:37] <TestDummy> Be back in a bit. Thanks though :P
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> SuperCatFrog: yeah it is - I have 1 use for mandrake at this point. diskdrake on their install disk to shrink windows partitions to make room for kubuntu :)
[07:37] <KaiL> not really
[07:37] <KaiL> hm, to late
[07:38] <malte> isn't libqt3c102-mt-dev the package i should install to compile qt-stuff from source? it doesn't exist in kubuntu :(
[07:38] <amu> libqt3-mt-dev
[07:38] <KaiL> malte: just libqt-dev
[07:39] <KaiL> mt required? ok ;)
[07:40] <malte> humm.. thanks :)
[07:40] <malte> i think there was a reason i didn't try that, but it seems to work :)
[07:41] <TestDummy> It works! :D
[07:41] <KaiL> bingo.
[07:42] <KaiL> who's next? :)
[07:42] <TestDummy> Hah, you deserve a cookie or something. I've been trying to figure that out for the past few days x_x
[07:42] <KaiL> google sometimes helps :)))
[07:43] <LeeJunFan> anyone have SIM (icq) working? I was going to compile CVS but our QT version is too old. hehe
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> I might just have to dl and compile QT.
[07:44] <KaiL> LeeJunFan: isn't that on the server?
[07:44] <KaiL> else get it from debian/unstable.
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> KaiL: you mean sim or qt?
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> I don't see sim.
[07:44] <mikl> how do you add yourself to a group (KUser keeps crashing on me :()
[07:44] <KaiL> sim
[07:45] <LeeJunFan> err, yes I do.
[07:45] <KaiL> mikl: adduser user group
[07:45] <LeeJunFan> KaiL: I had a sim/ dir which autocomplete was hitting on so I didn't notice sim in apt-get install . heheh
[07:45] <KaiL> lol
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> KaiL: sweet. Thanks for pointing out my ignorance. :)
[07:46] <KaiL> ...btw, is any kubuntu developer here?
[07:51] <Tm_T> hullo
[07:51] <KaiL> rehi Tm_T 
[07:52] <CoffeemanPuto> hello
[07:52] <KaiL> Tm_T: did you ever saw a developer here?
[07:53] <Tm_T> KaiL: o/
[07:54] <Tm_T> I am developing a brand new tv-shop product
[07:54] <Tm_T> ;p
[07:54] <KaiL> *g*
[07:57] <abinadid> help installing my printer  "lexmar z25"
[07:59] <kkathman> howdy there Tm_T   how are you today?
[08:00] <darkaudit> hey Tm_T... I found that Juk/amaroK problem...
[08:01] <KaiL> abinadid: uhm, doesn't look that nice.. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/05/msg03354.html
[08:01] <abinadid> is there any printer i can buy that will work with no problems???
[08:02] <darkaudit> abinadid: Epson Stylus C86
[08:02] <KaiL> abinadid: afair any HP, Epson
[08:02] <abinadid> i'm newbie i have seen lots of turotials but i could not make it work
[08:03] <darkaudit> or the C66(?) for a few $ less
[08:03] <abinadid> i just install my printer for contrl center 
[08:03] <darkaudit> I switched from a Lexmark Z65 to an Epson... much easier to set up
[08:03] <abinadid> i don't need anything fancy just something to print hoework etc..
[08:03] <KaiL> Lexmark is a total chaos
[08:03] <abinadid> not even pictures
[08:03] <buz> dont buy lexmark, stay away from brother
[08:04] <KaiL> it seams, that every printer needs it's own driver
[08:04] <buz> lexmark ink dries up in a few days, brother is just plain crap
[08:04] <LeeJunFan> KaiL: well looks as though libqt-mt is the problem compiling sim. It's not that it's too old, its that installing it didn't make a link in for libqt-mt.so :)
[08:04] <KaiL> and for many, there aren't any drivers at all
[08:04] <darkaudit> I bought this Epson for what I would have spent on ink for the lexmark :p
[08:05] <abinadid> so basically i hook my printer go to control center select my printer from the list and ready???
[08:07] <darkaudit> abinadid: close... for the C66 or C86 you may need to choose C64 or C84, but those will work fine...
[08:08] <abinadid> thank you i just checked on ebay a newi s going for $45.00
[08:17] <abinadid> thank you averybody i may come back later with more stupid questions by
[08:17] <abinadid> see ya
[08:43] <hinni> Hello! Is there anybody, who can help a newbie with an nvidia problem?
[08:43] <KaiL> tell us, what you want :)
[08:44] <eselmongo> anybody know why kopete can only use the "unsafe" wallet, and why this wallet is unsafe?
[08:44] <rijad> hey
[08:44] <treke> KaiL: Do you have it set to not use a password for the waller?
[08:44] <treke> wallet
[08:44] <bhna> hinni: what's the problem?
[08:45] <eselmongo> treke: that was my question
[08:45] <KaiL> trans_err: eh, what?
[08:45] <treke> eselmongo: Well that isn't something we can answer
[08:45] <rijad> i had ubuntu 4.10 and when i installed kubuntu horay, I can't download packages from the net
[08:46] <rijad> and my wlan doesn't work... 
[08:46] <rijad> can someone help me? :S
[08:46] <eselmongo> treke: i didn't change any settings, just installed kopete, added my acount, and then i get the "unsafe" wallet message
[08:46] <eselmongo> just after a clean install of kubuntu 5.0.4.
[08:47] <KaiL> rijad: let's try
[08:47] <treke> when you created the wallet did you give it a password?
[08:47] <hinni> @kaiL Thank you. ;-) 
[08:47] <hinni> Well I put this new card into my AMD K6 400. It's called Galaxxy Zeus 5200 powered by Geforce FX 5200 GPU and when I start Kubuntu the system freezes at login or shortly after. I installed the drivers according to the ubuntu forum with nvidia-glx
[08:47] <eselmongo> treke: didn't create a wallet, didn't know i had to
[08:47] <rijad> okej, how do i get synaptic to work?
[08:47] <treke> the first time kopete uses the wallet it will prompt you to create one
[08:47] <rijad> or was it kynaptic
[08:48] <KaiL> hinni: bang.. no good. Which chipset on the mainboard?
[08:48] <eselmongo> treke: so now it's just using some wallet that has no password?
[08:48] <treke> that would be my guess
[08:48] <KaiL> rijad: do you need the wlan for inet?
[08:49] <rijad> yeah, I used ndiswrapper behore on u4.10
[08:49] <KaiL> try ndiswrapper -l, if the driver is still there
[08:49] <Speedy2> Hey all.
[08:49] <hinni> @KaiL ?? how can I find that out ? 
[08:49] <eselmongo> treke: alright, thanks, guess I'll make a wallet then
[08:50] <KaiL> console -> sudo "ndiswrapper -l" :)
[08:50] <KaiL> hinni: lspci | grep AGP
[08:50] <rijad> sudo: ndiswrapper: command not found
[08:51] <treke> "kde is unable to save your password securely in your wallet; do you want to save the password in the unsafe configuration file instead?"
[08:51] <wnorrix> i have installed ubuntu
[08:51] <wnorrix> i want to move to k
[08:51] <rijad> Why doesn't kynaptic list packages other than from the cd?
[08:51] <wnorrix> gnome is killing me
[08:51] <treke> that's the error I get when kopete can't access a wallet
[08:51] <KaiL> rijad: hmm, somebody has stolen ndis...
[08:51] <Speedy2> wnorrix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[08:51] <treke> in this clase because I forced it closed
[08:52] <eselmongo> ah!
[08:52] <bhna> rijad: you have to edit your sources.list in /etc/apt
[08:53] <rijad> Kail: well this is a fresh install from a Kubuntu Install-CD so i don't think i have ndiswrapper
[08:53] <KaiL> hinni: if it tells something about VIA, you have some hope, if it's ALi, then be happy, if the 'nv'-driver works :)
[08:53] <KaiL> rijad: so you need to install it again - and configure again
[08:53] <KaiL> as you did once
[08:53] <Speedy2> rijad: So apt-get install it
[08:54] <CellarDoor> howdy
[08:54] <rijad> well i can't get anything from the net yust from the cd :(
[08:54] <hinni> @kail it s Via technologies
[08:54] <bhna> rijad: you have to edit your sources.list file in etc/apt
[08:54] <Speedy2> rijad: Why can you not get anything from the Net?  As kail said, you might have to edit your sources/list file
[08:54] <CellarDoor> could someone please CTCP me and tell me what reply you get ?
[08:54] <KaiL> hinni: hmm, ok
[08:55] <KaiL> did you ever try Windows with that combination? (GF FX5200 + K6-2)
[08:55] <Speedy2> [CellarDoor VERSION reply] 
[08:55] <Speedy2> -
[08:55] <Speedy2> [CellarDoor TIME reply] : Thu Apr 14 04:55:22 2005
[08:55] <CellarDoor> ty Speedy2
[08:55] <Speedy2> np
[08:55] <rijad> hmm how to get "write access" to the file?
[08:56] <rijad> (sorry i'm new to all this)
[08:56] <KaiL> rijad: prefix every root-command with 'sudo' :)
[08:56] <rijad> ok
[08:56] <CellarDoor> Im trying to sort out why some irc servers ban me for being infected with StarWar, it seems its something to do with Konversation's CTCP
[08:56] <CellarDoor> reply
[08:56] <bhna> rijad: type  sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list in the konsole
[08:57] <Speedy2> rijad: Typically you have to be "root" (superuser) to edit or do things system wise.  In Ubuntu / Kubuntu, instead of switching users, you can prefix anything that you might need to do as "root" with the "sudo" command
[08:57] <hinni> @kaiL Sorry, Im really a newcomer in linux "did you ever try Windows with that combination? (GF FX5200 + K6-2)" What do you mean?
[08:57] <Speedy2> hinni: He means, does this setup work on Windows...I think
[08:57] <rijad> i see
[08:57] <rijad> thx
[08:57] <KaiL> hinni: well, it could be some kind of hardware problem
[08:58] <hinni> a well wait a moment and i will try! ;-) 
[08:58] <bhna> rijad: dont forget universe and multiverse
[08:58] <Speedy2> CellarDoor: You might want to try a KDE channel, they might know more about it
[08:58] <CellarDoor> oh ok
[08:58] <CellarDoor> :P
[08:59] <rijad> hmm how to search in kynaptic :( can't se a search-func
[08:59] <Speedy2> CellarDoor: Heh.  (I mean, judging by the lack of response here...)
[08:59] <rijad> found it never mind :)
[09:00] <KaiL> there we have a problem..
[09:00] <KaiL> the VIA-Chipset is AGP1+2, the FX5200 4+8
[09:01] <KaiL> it can use 3,3V and 1,5V (and maybe 0,8V too...)
[09:02] <KaiL> so THAT shouldn't be the problem
[09:02] <KaiL> hmm, maybe too much power consumption?!
[09:04] <rijad> em... do i have to install gnome if i want to have firefox?
[09:04] <KaiL> just install mozilla-firefox
[09:04] <bhna> rijad: no
[09:04] <KaiL> you only need some gtk libs, not the whole gnome shit
[09:05] <bhna> rijad: look at gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:05] <bhna> rijad: without this engine firefox looks very ugly
[09:06] <rijad> so i'll uncheck anything with *gnome*
[09:06] <KaiL> well, it looks "gnomisch" ;)
[09:07] <sorin> openoffice does not look any better either
[09:07] <rijad> any other good browser out there? the standard one for kde is getting om my nerves...
[09:07] <sorin> i'd like a deb for KWrie
[09:07] <sorin> Kwrite
[09:07] <bhna> KaiL: like in german: komisch
[09:07] <CellarDoor> aah apparrently I need to upgrade Konversation from 0.16 to 0.17 and my server issue will go away
[09:08] <rijad> i must say that synaptic is much more slick then kynaptic :(
[09:08] <KaiL> hinni: still there?
[09:09] <sorin> i don't have synaptic installed
[09:10] <exciton> ...
[09:11] <rijad> bhna: can't find gtk2-engines-gtk-qt in kyn
[09:11] <sorin> www.autopackage.org
[09:11] <sorin> you'll find it there
[09:11] <rijad> thx
[09:12] <sorin> make sure you use "sudo gtk-qt...package"
[09:12] <bhna> rijad: it's in universe
[09:12] <je4d> rijad: it's on my system - do you have universe and multiverse?
[09:13] <rijad> don't think so
[09:15] <rijad> well i unmarked all the package-sources so i think i will have it all... hope it doesn't mess upp my system..
[09:15] <sorin> just install the autopackage 
[09:15] <sorin> it works
[09:15] <bhna> rijad: it's in there
[09:15] <sorin> just make sure you do it as root
[09:16] <hinni> @kaiL Yes, I'm trying to install the card under Win98 Pls be patient with me. :o)
[09:16] <KaiL> hinni: ah, ok
[09:17] <KaiL> I think it's some hardware issue
[09:19] <rijad> Well it seemed to work... hmm where do i get more themes for kde then?
[09:19] <KaiL> anybody left without help?
[09:19] <KaiL> rijad: kde-look.org
[09:19] <rijad> danke
[09:19] <KaiL> or in the kdeartwork package
[09:20] <bhna> KaiL: kde-look.org is down
[09:20] <KaiL> bah :(
[09:20] <rijad> heh my luck *shake-head*
[09:21] <KaiL> rijad: wlan and apt work now..?
[09:21] <rijad> wlan will work as soon as i find the guied i used before
[09:23] <KaiL> some google search like >>"Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)" debian<< normally gives nice results :)
[09:23] <rijad> heh oki
[09:23] <KaiL> or is there a precompiled ndiswrapper-modules for hoary.. 
[09:23] <rijad> i used the win2k driver before with ndiswrapper
[09:23] <KaiL> no :(
[09:24] <KaiL> baaaaad, Idea for the next version: prefompiled modules for the default kernels :)
[09:24] <rijad> it's a dlink dwl-624+ card
[09:24] <KaiL> ask lspci for the exact string
[09:26] <rijad> "Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface"
[09:26] <rijad> guess the casing lies
[09:27] <KaiL> casing?
[09:28] <rijad> On the Case/package (not to good @ english) it says that it's a d-link card
[09:29] <KaiL> d-link card, TI chip
[09:29] <KaiL> as when you get an Asus graphics card, the chip is from ATI or nVidia
[09:30] <rijad> hmm "kde-i18n-sv" means that it's the swedish language-package for kde?
[09:30] <rijad> ohh i se
[09:30] <rijad> e
[09:30] <KaiL> -sv is swedish, yes
[09:32] <rijad> :) nice
[09:35] <rijad> Kail: how do i install a package thats in source-format?
[09:35] <KaiL> the ndiswrapper-source?
[09:36] <rijad> yes
[09:36] <KaiL> 1 sec
[09:39] <KaiL> module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper
[09:40] <KaiL> nice tool btw.
[09:40] <hinni> @KaiL Well, I know it's hard to understand. But this card definitely works under Windows 98 . ;-) Win is on the same system. 
[09:41] <KaiL> hinni: even some 3D screensavers or such?
[09:41] <rijad> what the hell is module-assistant?
[09:41] <hinni> I will test...
[09:41] <KaiL> rijad: a tool to install those source packages
[09:43] <rijad> Linux is great... when you get it all to work...
[09:43] <KaiL> I'm already writing down some notes to make the ndiswrapper stuff easier
[09:44] <rijad> Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other kernel headers to use.
[09:44] <rijad> erh... help
[09:45] <kkathman> rijad: you are downloading the source to something?
[09:45] <KaiL> please paste your uname -a output..
[09:45] <KaiL> kkathman: ndiswrapper is a kernel-module
[09:45] <kkathman> ok
[09:45] <KaiL> and there's no precompiled package in kubuntu (bad!)
[09:46] <rijad> Linux enzon 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:46] <KaiL> rijad: so install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[09:46] <kkathman> yeah Im not a kernel hacker quite yet :)
[09:47] <kkathman> you might try going to one of the development channels
[09:47] <kkathman> they can tell you what to do
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> Hello humans.
[09:47] <kkathman> yo  Borg^Queen  how goes today :)
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> Did they remove kwikdisk from ku?
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> hey kkathman 
[09:48] <rijad> ndiswrapper uses WinDrivers to make networkcards work (my wlan works better with ndiswrapper+winxpdriver than on winxp it self)
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> Well thank you. And you?
[09:48] <kkathman> ditto here :)
[09:48] <KaiL> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` ...for the more general way
[09:49] <Borg^Queen> Was kwikdisk removed from KDE 3.4 in ku?
[09:49] <KaiL> my laptop's wlan card is a bit stupid in finding APs..
[09:49] <KaiL> btw. has anybody a working (!) link quality information with ndis?
[09:50] <rijad> i haaad...
[09:50] <rijad> and will have soon... i think
[09:51] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: does it still exist upstream?
[09:51] <KaiL> I also can't find it on debian
[09:51] <KaiL> strange
[09:51] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: what kwikdisk?
[09:51] <KaiL> yes
[09:51] <Borg^Queen> It's in DEbian sarge.
[09:52] <Borg^Queen> KDE had to be altered for win users
[09:52] <KaiL> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kwikdisk&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all
[09:52] <KaiL> .....?
[09:53] <KaiL> ah, kdf
[09:53] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: package kdf
[09:53] <Borg^Queen> Ah ok
[09:53] <Borg^Queen> I can't get the network up and running
[09:54] <KaiL> why not?
[09:54] <Borg^Queen> Don't know yet. I can't get into admin mode
[09:54] <KaiL> wlan or normal?
[09:54] <Borg^Queen> normal
[09:55] <rijad> hmm can someone find the cached version of this link? "www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndis wrapper"
[09:55] <rijad> i used it to get ndis to work on ubuntu
[09:55] <KaiL> kde controlcenter -> network & internet  -> configure network
[09:55] <Borg^Queen> Aye, but it doesn't let me in.
[09:56] <KaiL> it askes for a pw, if you klick on admin mode
[09:56] <KaiL> enter your user-pw there.
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> Aye I know. 
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> It s not letting me in
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> Do I enter the root psw or user?
[09:57] <KaiL> user as it looks for me
[09:57] <KaiL> because of the sudo-stuff
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> How do use sudo what?
[09:58] <KaiL> you've updated from some debian to (k)ubuntu? :)
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> Nope fresh install
[09:58] <Coffeeman> does kubuntu already have some sort of synaptics ?
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> yes
[09:58] <KaiL> then it's the user-pw
[09:58] <KaiL> Coffeeman: kynaptic, but it isn't really good
[09:59] <Borg^Queen> I'm in but I can't enable the adapters
[09:59] <KaiL> hmm
[09:59] <KaiL> sudo kcontrol
[10:00] <KaiL> in a console - there it should work
[10:00] <Borg^Queen> No no, I'm in. 
[10:00] <Borg^Queen> The netcard isn't enabling.
[10:00] <KaiL> why not?
[10:00] <KaiL> it is listed there?
[10:00] <KaiL> ...as being disabled?
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> Its disabled now
[10:02] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches, good night
[10:02] <Borg^Queen> GN
[10:02] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: the configure and afterwards enable it.
[10:02] <_-InMa-_> gn Borg^Queen
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: I did but run me through in case I've missed something
[10:03] <rijad> command to make a folder+
[10:03] <KaiL> dhcp or manual?
[10:03] <KaiL> rijad: nkdir
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> dhcp
[10:03] <KaiL> eh
[10:03] <KaiL> mkdir
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> mkdir
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> ooops
[10:03] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: so just set dhcp in the config-dialog
[10:04] <Borg^Queen> `I did
[10:04] <KaiL> and afterwards press "enable"
[10:04] <Borg^Queen> `I did
[10:04] <KaiL> and be happy (I hope)
[10:04] <Borg^Queen> Didn't work
[10:05] <KaiL> just doesn't get enabled?
[10:05] <Borg^Queen> Kubuntu doesn't like me
[10:05] <Borg^Queen> Nope enables for a moment and then disables again
[10:05] <rijad> lol anyone good at italian?
[10:06] <KaiL> interesting...
[10:06] <KaiL> let's go down to console level
[10:06] <KaiL> ifconfig in a console.
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> rijad:  Not really. Just the curses.
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> ok
[10:06] <rijad> "Esegui "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" per installare il modulo necessario."
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> ok
[10:07] <KaiL> uhm, what?
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> rijad: if I understood you. You need to enter your user password.
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> He's asking about a wrapper for  winware. I think.
[10:07] <KaiL> rijad: you installed it? so 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' now
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> Needs to install a module
[10:07] <KaiL> that's, what the like wants to tell you :))
[10:08] <KaiL> s/like/line/
[10:08] <rijad> auch...
[10:08] <rijad> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:08] <KaiL> and also do a 'echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules'
[10:08] <KaiL> Riddell: sudo?
[10:09] <KaiL> ..second with sudo too
[10:09] <KaiL> ops, rijad that was
[10:09] <Coffeeman> did kubuntu still buggy ?
[10:09] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: does ifconfig show an ip?
[10:10] <rijad> damn...
[10:10] <Borg^Queen> Yes
[10:10] <KaiL> ...an ipv4 IP for eth0 to be more exact
[10:10] <rijad> what the hell...
[10:10] <Borg^Queen> wait
[10:10] <Borg^Queen> nope
[10:10] <KaiL> but eth0 is there?
[10:10] <Borg^Queen> nope
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> Its all missint
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> missing even
[10:11] <KaiL> bad
[10:11] <KaiL> even deeper..
[10:11] <Coffeeman> can i installl separete packages like kfax or just the hoje kdegraphics ?
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> There are two cards in the board
[10:11] <KaiL> Coffeeman: can both
[10:11] <Coffeeman> really ? how ?
[10:12] <KaiL> apt-get install kfax or apt-get install kdegraphics 
[10:12] <KaiL> :)
[10:12] <KaiL> grr, sudo....
[10:12] <Coffeeman> KaiL, i cant find kfax on synaptic
[10:12] <KaiL> universe/graphics
[10:12] <rijad> damn, i think i'll jump back to gonme...
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> Coffeeman: I think its on kdenetwork or the like
[10:13] <KaiL> it's kdegraphics, but you need to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:13] <Coffeeman> Borg^Queen, i know.. and thats my question... if i can install single packages.. or only the hole kdenetwork for example...
[10:13] <KaiL> rijad: that doesn't help.
[10:13] <Borg^Queen> Coffeeman: the whole thing
[10:13] <rijad> well it worked there
[10:13] <KaiL> rijad: you did 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'?
[10:13] <Borg^Queen> Its not a single package. However you can hunt for it on kde-apps.org
[10:14] <KaiL> ...do not forget the sudo :))
[10:14] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: you have 2 nics?
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> Aye
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> 100mbp and a gigalan
[10:14] <Coffeeman> Borg^Queen, ok... is just because im comming from gentoo... and in gentoo you can select single pakages...
[10:14] <rijad> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> Coffeeman: Aye, I know
[10:14] <rijad> yes i did that: Here's the nice output
[10:14] <rijad> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:14] <KaiL> rijad: with sudo?!?
[10:15] <rijad> WITH SUDO
[10:15] <KaiL> wtf?
[10:15] <KaiL> well... version b:
[10:15] <Borg^Queen> It would seem kubuntu and ubuntu are suffering from problems associated to sudo
[10:15] <KaiL> echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
[10:15] <KaiL> and then reboot :)
[10:15] <KaiL> this sudo is really annoying
[10:16] <rijad> lol...
[10:16] <Borg^Queen> Which is why kubuntu and others using sudo will not last
[10:16] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: cat /proc/interrupts
[10:16] <rijad> rijad@enzon:~$ echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
[10:16] <rijad> bash: /etc/modules: tkomst nekas
[10:16] <rijad> rijad@enzon:~$ sudo echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
[10:16] <rijad> bash: /etc/modules: tkomst nekas
[10:16] <KaiL> rijad: means?
[10:16] <Gentix> any ex gentoo users here???
[10:16] <rijad> tkomst nekas : permission denied
[10:16] <Coffeeman> Gentix, im thinking :)
[10:17] <KaiL> somethink is wrong with your sudo.....
[10:17] <Gentix> Coffeeman: it aint the same as compilining right?
[10:17] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: is there any eth* in that list?
[10:17] <rijad> well your more than welcome to fix it
[10:17] <Gentix> hopefully not a -u world... I can go nuts over those ones
[10:17] <Coffeeman> Gentix, until now... pros and cons... :p
[10:18] <Borg^Queen> eth1 is the 100mbp port
[10:18] <rijad> i'll reboot and we will see if it helps
[10:18] <Gentix> Coffeeman: what are the biggest cons?
[10:18] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: hmm
[10:18] <Gentix> Coffeeman: maybe I can live with those
[10:18] <KaiL> try 'ifconfig eth0 up'
[10:18] <KaiL> and look at the ifconfig output afaik
[10:18] <Coffeeman> Gentix, im a kde user... and kunbutu it seems still little buggy... and you cant install single pakages...
[10:19] <Borg^Queen> I think I got it!
[10:19] <KaiL> and look, if the cable is on the right card *gg*
[10:19] <Borg^Queen> It is.
[10:19] <Gentix> Coffeeman: hmmm then maybe i should compile kde from cvs
[10:19] <Coffeeman> Gentix, only free software alowed.... so mplayer libs by hand and stuff...
[10:19] <Gentix> Coffeeman: Ah. Thats an important one ;)
[10:20] <KaiL> Coffeeman: enable universe (and maybe multiverse) in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <Coffeeman> KaiL, howto...
[10:20] <KaiL> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <KaiL> and hunt down some # 
[10:21] <Borg^Queen> I got it. It's odd but with each adjustment you need to hit apply and open it all up again.
[10:21] <zack> amu: hey; have you not seen my mail in your inbox?
[10:21] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: interesting
[10:21] <KaiL> let's hope, knetworkconf will get better
[10:21] <Coffeeman> just a second
[10:21] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: aye
[10:22] <KaiL> at least we know now about this :)
[10:22] <BorgQueen2> Hello its another me
[10:22] <Borg^Queen> Hello me
[10:22] <Coffeeman> KaiL, java on universe ?
[10:22] <BorgQueen2> Hello me
[10:22] <BorgQueen2> Don't we look wonderful
[10:22] <Borg^Queen> Yes we do
[10:23] <KaiL> Coffeeman: don't ask me about Java, else the answer isn't good for your children...
[10:23] <hinni> @kaiL: Back again! Well, everything works. only some Problems with some of the 3D screensavers. I suppose Win 98 FE doesn't really get this right.... 
[10:23] <KaiL> hinni: crash with them? :)
[10:23] <Coffeeman> KaiL, giveme the anser baby :)
[10:23] <hinni> Yepp! :o)
[10:24] <BorgQueen2> I thought this had synaptic
[10:24] <Coffeeman> Gentix, is seems Very fast...
[10:24] <KaiL> Coffeeman: in short: java has the most idiotic licence I've ever see or I could even imagine...
[10:24] <March-RX8> hello
[10:24] <Gentix> Coffeeman: i believe java is black down jre is the one you want
[10:24] <Coffeeman> KaiL, hell i need for work :)
[10:24] <KaiL> Coffeeman: I have the same problem
[10:24] <BorgQueen2> KaiL: kubuntu doesn't have synaptic?
[10:25] <KaiL> install it manually from java.sun.com
[10:25] <allee> KaiL: nothing wrong with sudo  (sudo echo ... >> /etc/modules).  you redirect sudo output not echo output ;)
[10:25] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: you still can install the gnome stuff (as synaptic)
[10:25] <Borg^Queen> but where?
[10:25] <Coffeeman> KaiL, couldint find mplayer 
[10:25] <KaiL> allee: so we need sudo "echo..."?
[10:25] <March-RX8> could someone help me,how can i update the list of packages?
[10:26] <KaiL> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:26] <KaiL> add that for mplayer
[10:26] <allee> KaiL:  maybe "sudo "echo ... > ...".  I to lazy to type my long passwords ;)
[10:26] <Gentix> Coffeeman: i believe it's not there
[10:26] <KaiL> ...or just use xine, which doesn't suck that much :p
[10:26] <allee> I prefer "kdesu -- konsole --workdir /root" ;)
[10:27] <Gentix> Coffeeman: I searched for mplayer for debian
[10:27] <Gentix> Coffeeman: I couldn't find it
[10:27] <Coffeeman> Gentix,  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main} resolv this problem
[10:27] <KaiL> allee: but then, why doesn't 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' work?
[10:28] <Gentix> Coffeeman: that's for unstable
[10:28] <Coffeeman> Gentix, yeah... :/
[10:28] <Gentix> Coffeeman: I'm never going back to unstable again! NEVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
[10:28] <KaiL> Gentix: and kubuntu is close to debian/unstable :)
[10:29] <allee> KaiL: because >> is interpreted by the current shell even before sudo is started.  "sudo modprobe .." is not shell special chars like > & ( ...
[10:29] <Coffeeman> Gentix,  hahahahahhaa
[10:29] <KaiL> Gentix: then set "testing" there
[10:29] <Gentix> KaiL: that's ll I needed to hear!
[10:29] <KaiL> or even "stable"
[10:29] <Gentix> THANKS ALOT!!!! ;)
[10:29] <KaiL> kubuntu is as fresh (if not fresher) as unstable, but without the bugs
[10:30] <KaiL> marillat has stable/testing/unstable for his stuff
[10:30] <Gentix> Oh lord! Where will I find a dist wich satisfies my needs!
[10:30] <allee> KaiL:  wait some months and lets task about fresh again ;)
[10:30] <KaiL> here :P
[10:30] <Coffeeman> Gentix, i dont know as well :(
[10:30] <Gentix> preferbly a dist wich doesn't use rpm's
[10:30] <Gentix> I hate rpm's
[10:30] <Coffeeman> Gentix, RPM neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
[10:31] <KaiL> allee: I bet there will be another kubuntu release, before sarge get released
[10:31] <KaiL> ...if that happenes ever
[10:31] <BorgQueen2> yeah
[10:31] <Coffeeman> Gentix, ubuntu is very inpresive.... but is gnome :p
[10:31] <KaiL> Coffeeman: that's why we have kubuntu
[10:31] <BorgQueen2> How do I get baghira with apt?
[10:31] <Gentix> Coffeeman: yes, and some info in my dna aint compatible with gtk
[10:31] <March-RX8> hey,could someone help me,how can i update the list of packages?
[10:32] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: search apt-get.org 
[10:32] <BorgQueen2> same here
[10:32] <Coffeeman> Gentix, hahaha lol
[10:32] <KaiL> oh, or just install "kwin-baghira"
[10:32] <thoreauputic> March-RX8: sudo apt-get update
[10:32] <KaiL> Riddell: wb
[10:32] <rijad> blaaah... nothing works...
[10:32] <March-RX8> then i can have the list in kynaptic up to date too?
[10:32] <KaiL> I found the way to get the echo working
[10:33] <Coffeeman> Gentix, im a QT lover... but ubunt wort a shot....  i hope kubuntu become stable very son, then i will swich...
[10:33] <KaiL> sudo "echo ndiswrapper >>/etc/modules"
[10:33] <KaiL> see the ""
[10:33] <thoreauputic> March-RX8: kynaptic is just a pretty front end for apt, so yes
[10:33] <Coffeeman> Gentix, i cannot handle compile times anymore...
[10:33] <Gentix> Coffeeman: neither can I
[10:33] <Gentix> I'll see what I can find
[10:33] <rijad> Kail: you mean me?
[10:33] <KaiL> rijad: yes
[10:34] <Gentix> gotta go
[10:34] <Borg^Queen> later
[10:34] <rijad> sudo: echo ndiswrapper >>/etc/modules: command not found
[10:34] <Gentix> thanx for everything!
[10:34] <Gentix> Later!
[10:34] <Coffeeman> Gentix, np
[10:34] <KaiL> uhm..
[10:34] <hinni> @kaiL Well, what shall I do? After reboot Kubuntu runs for a few minutes and after a while it freezes. Is there something wrong with xorg.conf?
[10:34] <KaiL> kdesu konsole
[10:34] <March-RX8> and can i mount a pen disk?
[10:34] <Borg^Queen> brb
[10:34] <KaiL> rijad: kdesu konsole 
[10:35] <KaiL> should ask for your user-pw
[10:35] <rijad> yeah
[10:35] <KaiL> and in that console everything *should* work without sudo-prefix
[10:35] <KaiL> March-RX8: USB-stick?
[10:35] <March-RX8> yes
[10:35] <KaiL> hinni: well, that's a big bug then...
[10:36] <thoreauputic> rijad: just do  sudo nano /etc/modules and add it on a line at the bottom
[10:36] <bhna> bad thing, if you give your first user the name admin kdesu does not work
[10:36] <KaiL> March-RX8: plug in, and point konqueror to "media:/"
[10:36] <thoreauputic> rijad: quick and easy
[10:36] <KaiL> bhna: does sudo?
[10:37] <bhna> yes
[10:37] <March-RX8> i double click it and  it says it'x not possible to mount the device
[10:37] <bhna> KaiL: yes it does
[10:37] <KaiL> March-RX8: hmm
[10:37] <rijad> ad what?
[10:37] <KaiL> hal and pmount installed?
[10:38] <KaiL> thoreauputic: he seams to have some sudo suckage..
[10:38] <Jefis> How to play midi files?
[10:38] <March-RX8> it says it's not in fstab
[10:38] <KaiL> rijad: add 'ndiswrapper', if that works..
[10:38] <rijad> it's added...
[10:38] <bhna> KaiL: after changing name of admin kdesu is my freind  ;-)
[10:38] <KaiL> bhna: that can be fixed later?
[10:39] <bhna> KaiL: yes with kuser
[10:39] <KaiL> rijad: save + close
[10:39] <rijad> no i mean it was there before
[10:40] <KaiL> oh
[10:40] <allee> rijad: sudo "..." not sudo: "..."
[10:40] <Jefis> is it possible to play midi files?
[10:40] <KaiL> so the module is loaded now :)
[10:40] <rijad> allee: i know
[10:40] <KaiL> ..as you rebootet since
[10:40] <KaiL> I hope :)
[10:40] <Coffeeman> KaiL, is the kubuntu team working hard to fix bugs ?
[10:40] <allee> rijad: ;)
[10:40] <KaiL> Coffeeman: no idea
[10:41] <KaiL> I'm only doing support here and waiting for a developer I can send a 200MB-buglist *fg*
[10:41] <Borg^Queen> crap
[10:41] <Jefis> KaiL, give me support how to play midi files
[10:41] <rijad> Kail: hoe that list has ndiswrapper written all over it :P
[10:42] <bhna> Jefis: kmidi?
[10:42] <KaiL> Jefis: doesn't "just work"?
[10:42] <Jefis> not, it gives error
[10:42] <KaiL> rijad: ?!
[10:42] <Jefis> with /dev/sequincer
[10:42] <Jefis> or something like that
[10:42] <rijad> "200mb-buglist"
[10:42] <KaiL> rijad: was a joke
[10:43] <KaiL> I have 2 lines for now
[10:43] <Jefis> "open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory"
[10:43] <rijad> I didn't joke :P
[10:43] <KaiL> other is some "pebkac"
[10:43] <KaiL> rijad: lsmod | grep ndis
[10:43] <KaiL> is it there?
[10:44] <Jefis> no
[10:44] <Jefis> :)
[10:44] <Jefis> doup :)
[10:44] <Jefis> KaiL, help me :)
[10:44] <KaiL> Jefis: can you play any audio?
[10:44] <Jefis> yes
[10:44] <Jefis> exept midi files
[10:45] <rijad> is it nessecery to enter the root-pass on every page on "controlcenter" or can i chage it so it only askes for it once
[10:45] <KaiL> hmm, I also don't have /dev/sequencer
[10:46] <KaiL> but I don't know, if I can play midi....
[10:46] <Jefis> i can;t
[10:46] <Jefis> in kde control center
[10:46] <Jefis> in sound system
[10:46] <Jefis> do you
[10:46] <KaiL> rijad: "every"? there are only 2 or 3...
[10:46] <Jefis> have any devices on mid 
[10:46] <Jefis> i mean
[10:46] <Jefis> hardware -> midi device
[10:46] <Jefis> i have null
[10:47] <MindZEye> Is it me or have there been no updates in the last couple of days?
[10:47] <Jefis> maybe i should try to use midi mapper?
[10:47] <KaiL> hmm, same here
[10:47] <KaiL> empty list
[10:47] <KaiL> sucks
[10:47] <MindZEye> KaiL: Are you referring to my comment?
[10:48] <KaiL> MindZEye: no
[10:48] <KaiL> but a few days after the release...:)
[10:51] <KaiL> rijad: still there?
[10:51] <rijad> "lsmod | grep ndis" doesn't give a output
[10:51] <KaiL> bad
[10:51] <KaiL> rijad: you've set a root pw?
[10:52] <rijad> ofcourse
[10:52] <KaiL> so just do an 'su' in the console to get a real rootshell
[10:52] <KaiL> ...where we can do all the config
[10:54] <rijad> and
[10:54] <KaiL> modprobe ndiswrapper << loads the module
[10:54] <KaiL> then get the driver and install it's .inf with 'ndiswrapper -i file.inf'
[10:55] <KaiL> and finally check with 'ndiswrapper -l', if driver and hardware are "connected"
[10:55] <rijad> ehh wtf...
[10:55] <rijad> "su: Authentication failure"
[10:55] <KaiL> that 'su' want's your root-pw.....
[10:56] <KaiL> wants
[10:56] <rijad> yeah i know, 
[10:56] <KaiL> 'sudo' the user-pw btw.
[10:56] <allee> rijad: to get the 'right' environment setting: su -
[10:57] <rijad> well i got the same pass for both so it should work :S
[10:58] <Borg^Queen> wow kubuntu is missing a great deal
[10:58] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: ?
[10:59] <Borg^Queen> It doesn't have kget, it doesn't have kwikdisk, krecord, 
[10:59] <Borg^Queen> A whole lot of other stuff
[10:59] <rijad> i don't understand this... in ubuntu this worked flawlessly
[10:59] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: enable universe
[10:59] <Borg^Queen> How?
[11:00] <KaiL> rijad: didn't the module-assistant already need sudo?!?
[11:00] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:00] <Borg^Queen> thanks
[11:00] <allee> rijad: what works in ubuntu and not in kubuntu?  All I've see is desktop independent
[11:01] <rijad> ehh don't remember if it needed sudo :S
[11:01] <allee> KaiL: fakeroot in enough for module-assistent
[11:01] <rijad> well it wasent this hard to set it up :s
[11:01] <KaiL> allee: ndiswrapper did work for him with OLD ubuntu, but doesn't with NEW kubuntu
[11:01] <KaiL> rijad: anything is wrong with your su/sudo
[11:02] <rijad> lol
[11:02] <KaiL> to be more exact, every way to get root fails
[11:02] <rijad> well wtf should i do now?
[11:02] <allee> KaiL, rijad: who uptodate was ubuntu when it worked?  When was it?
[11:02] <KaiL> it'd be very easy, if that doesn't happen
[11:02] <Borg^Queen> There's not mention of universe
[11:03] <KaiL> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:03] <KaiL> the line should look like this :)
[11:03] <Borg^Queen> ah ok
[11:03] <rijad> Alle it worked on Ubuntu 4.10 Warty and Ubuntu horay
[11:04] <rijad> then i did a fresh install with kubuntu and now it doesn't work :(
[11:04] <Borg^Queen> I can't write to it
[11:04] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: sudo....:)
[11:04] <rijad> sudo...
[11:04] <Borg^Queen> nevermind I got it
[11:05] <KaiL> I guess, it's the most often used word in here
[11:05] <maxfx> Bonsoir  tous, es-ce que quelqu'un parle franais?
[11:05] <rijad> Kail: can i resten the userlist or something?
[11:05] <rijad> so i can get root
[11:05] <KaiL> rijad: no idea...
[11:05] <KaiL> allee: do you have any?
[11:06] <allee> KaiL: wait need to read back ...
[11:06] <Speedy2> Yes, you can get root
[11:06] <maxfx> how can i change kubuntu langage to french?
[11:06] <uniq> rijad: you need root to do that. but if it's a fresh install it really should work if you didn't type the password with caps lock on.. or something in that direction.
[11:06] <KaiL> MindZEye: ping?
[11:06] <KaiL> maxfx: yes
[11:06] <KaiL> install kde-i18n-fr
[11:06] <MindZEye> KaiL: What?
[11:07] <rijad> I know the pass :) but i still can't get in
[11:07] <KaiL> and set the lang in kde controlcenter -> region -> language
[11:07] <uniq> rijad: you can always start linux with init=/bin/bash and re-set the root password.. 
[11:07] <KaiL> MindZEye: if you still want updates, chance from "hoary" to "breezy"
[11:07] <uniq> rijad: edit the boot preferences in grub.. 
[11:07] <MindZEye> Kail:  Ah crap.
[11:07] <MindZEye> :)
[11:08] <KaiL> that's the next version and so the development stream
[11:08] <uniq> rijad: and use 'passwd root' to change the password.
[11:08] <maxfx> KaiL : Konsole said me "impossible to find the package"
[11:08] <MindZEye> KaiL: Cheers.
[11:09] <KaiL> maxfx: the kde-i18n-fr?
[11:09] <maxfx> yes but i have this message for anyone software i want to install :'(
[11:09] <KaiL> well, I see it here
[11:10] <KaiL> maxfx: ...apt-get update
[11:10] <maxfx> yes it's work
[11:10] <maxfx> sorry but i am newbie in linux ^^
[11:12] <Speedy2> rijad: sudo passwd root will let you activate the root account
[11:13] <Speedy2> rijad: Well, it will prompt you for a root password which you enter, at which point the root acount is now enabled
[11:13] <Speedy2> And you can switch to root by typing "su" at a terminal prompt, and then entering the root password
[11:14] <uniq> .. or just use sudo -s, in the first place.
[11:15] <uniq> but.. that wasn't the problem.
[11:15] <uniq> his password did not work.. 
[11:16] <allee> KaiL, rijad:  most urgent problem is to reset root password?  (Tried caps on&off when entering pw already I guess)
[11:17] <KaiL> allee: as I can see root-pw and sudo are broken..........
[11:17] <TayloR> Evening all
[11:18] <smouche> Kail -- broken how?  I wish I had seen the beginning of your and KaiL 's discussion...
[11:19] <KaiL> smouche: just plain doesn't work
[11:19] <smouche> because I've had problems with programs accepting neither sudo nor root password
[11:19] <TayloR> just out of curiosity, any news on this konqueror crash bug? i tried the 'way around it' by not displaying the side menu on the left but it still constantly crashes
[11:19] <KaiL> allee, smouche, Speedy2, uniq: anyone of you a kubuntu developer?
[11:20] <smouche> Taylor, you had that problem too?  Losing the side menu worked for me...
[11:20] <smouche> KaiL, no -- I'm not
[11:20] <maxfx> bye everybody
[11:20] <TayloR> smouche: doesnt seem to work for me 
[11:20] <allee> KaiL: no
[11:20] <TayloR> konqueror still crashes from time to time so now i browse my files via the terminal and internet via firefox instead, wonder why it wont work for me :\...
[11:21] <TayloR> there isnt a particular way you should disable the side menu is there?
[11:21] <smouche> sorry to hear that, Taylor-- how about this workaround -- try the "simple browser" profile for konqueror  see if you can set that as default...
[11:22] <smouche> TayloR, I installed Krusader -- terrific file browser; unfortunately, it crashes too, but nowhere near as often as konq...
[11:22] <allee> rijad: ALT-CTRL-F1 and try to login as root there?
[11:23] <TayloR> smouche: Oh? hmm, the way i disabled the side menu was simply going to, within my home folder, window >> hide navigation menu, is that how you disabled it? 
[11:23] <smouche> TayloR -- get this fantastic file browser - "rox-filer" -- it's in universe, I think.  Light, quick, a little strange seeming at first but very clever in the way it displays info..
[11:24] <TayloR> rox-filer? hows the stability with that?
[11:24] <smouche> Yes, Taylor, or pressing, hm, f9, I think -- but I'm just guessing that the simpler the configuration of konqueror, the fewer the crashes...
[11:24] <smouche> never crashed on my, rox-filer, Taylor
[11:24] <smouche> "on me"
[11:25] <TayloR> ok thanks alot smouche for the help & suggestions, ill be sure to give that rox-filer a try :)
[11:25] <smouche> the interface is very different from kde apps, but it works!
[11:25] <TayloR> any news on if that bugs going to be patched / fixed any time soon?
[11:25] <KaiL> TayloR: if anybody could reproduce them,,,
[11:25] <smouche> kewl, TahloR, I'm a big fan of rox -- 
[11:26] <smouche> downside, though, if you have windows shares you want to browse via smb-client, it won't work for that...
[11:26] <smouche> (rox)
[11:26] <TayloR> ah right
[11:27] <smouche> KaiL, Taylor -- I don't know what the status is on that bug, but it was filed, anyway, and I think a couple people confirmed reproducing it
[11:27] <TayloR> ah ok, well im just getting that rox-filer right this second so ill see how that one goes for now :)
[11:28] <smouche> one tell-tale of a problem-- crashes are most likely if you invoke konq from the "sytem menu -- home folder" icon.
[11:28] <smouche> the icon thingie in the upper right corner will spin endlessly...
[11:29] <smouche> cheers, TayloR!
[11:29] <Borg^Queen> Well I've had enough of kubuntu.
[11:30] <KaiL> why this?
[11:30] <TayloR> doesnt seem to have placed a shortcut within the menu for rox-filer, ran it via terminal anyhoo
[11:30] <Borg^Queen> Good luck people. I hope all of your fare better.
[11:30] <TayloR> so far so good, nice, abit basic but real fast in response time
[11:30] <Borg^Queen> kail, it doesn't conform to gnu-nix standards. It's more like windows in too many ways. And it crashed twice.
[11:31] <treke> what gnu-nix standards are these?
[11:31] <Borg^Queen> It's good if all you want to do it basic stuff.
[11:31] <Borg^Queen> but I guess that's what its for isn't it?
[11:31] <allee> Kail:  I installed kubuntu last night.  now set a root pw and su sodu, kdesu still works (before I made sure autologin via ssh key works ;)
[11:32] <Jet2k5> hello guys
[11:32] <Jet2k5> I want to install kubuntu, but I'm getting authentication errors
[11:32] <Jet2k5> is this a kubuntu problem or ubuntu problem?
[11:32] <KaiL> sudo is really a horror.......
[11:32] <treke> Borg^Queen: perhaps you should be more specific so that problems can be resolved.
[11:32] <Jet2k5> not sure where to as for help
[11:32] <Borg^Queen> treke: I wish I could but I'm on a time table to find a new company distro as well as a distro for the community center.
[11:33] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: I agree. it was a big mistake
[11:33] <smouche> TayloR -- the little details grab me with rox -- check out the context menus, and icons ,
[11:33] <allee> KaiL:  sudo is often great.   But using is always is a bit much ;)
[11:33] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: except (k)ubuntu is like debian.
[11:33] <Borg^Queen> Not anymore.
[11:33] <KaiL> allee: yes
[11:33] <smouche> and TayloR, to get an "address bar" you can type / 
[11:33] <smouche> er, location bar, whatever
[11:33] <SuperCatFrog> hi - ive just installed linux-headers, but it vmware tells me that they dont match the running kernel (i haven't recompiled my kernel, just using the one that came with kubuntu)
[11:33] <Borg^Queen> I use Debian and I can tell you I have ever encountered this problems
[11:33] <TayloR> smouche -- i see what you mean, and oooh thanks for that, i was wondering on how to get that up :)
[11:34] <treke> SuperCatFrog: you need the headers for your specific kernel
[11:34] <Borg^Queen> but they're important difff
[11:34] <allee> what's rijad doing?
[11:34] <treke> there are ther packages
[11:34] <treke> Borg^Queen: Like what?
[11:34] <treke> sudo is the big one I see
[11:34] <Borg^Queen> The lack of a real root account to aviod this sudo nonesense.
[11:34] <Borg^Queen> Exactly
[11:34] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: sudo passwd
[11:34] <smouche> TayloR: one quibble I have with rox!  There should at least be an icon for that!  or just have the location bar visible...
[11:34] <treke> all you have to do is set a root password
[11:34] <treke> and then your done
[11:34] <SuperCatFrog> treke - where can i get them from? will that mean compiling my own kernel (i installed kubuntu to avoid compiling stuff [from gentoo] )
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> That and it strips down KDE
[11:35] <KaiL> set a root-PW and you have it
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> I did
[11:35] <treke> not stripped down, just a different default install
[11:35] <KaiL> and enable universe
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> I caused more problems than it solved
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: I did enable universal
[11:35] <KaiL> universe :)
[11:35] <smouche> btw, TayloR, I don't know if you use xfce at all, but rox is wonderful in that -- much better than default xfce file manager
[11:35] <allee> Borg^Queen: real root account?  without remembering a second passwort? --> kdesu -- konsole --workdir /root
[11:35] <treke> there is even the kde meta package if you want all of kde installed
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> Aye universe
[11:36] <TayloR> smouche -- Yeah i agree 100%, would be nice if the address bar was on display all the time above the field names, e.g. above the name, type, permissions etc.. etc..
[11:36] <treke> how does setting a root password cause problems?
[11:36] <allee> Borg^Queen: works fine.  and a disabled root pw never hurts ;)
[11:36] <Borg^Queen> Give it time, you'll see.
[11:36] <Borg^Queen> Anyway thanks.
[11:36] <treke> just say it
[11:36] <Borg^Queen> Good luck and have fun.
[11:37] <treke> so basically he's just a troll
[11:37] <allee> treke: root pw worked on 'old' kubuntu and on a fresh kubuntu.  ==> there is no bug.  Just a user error ;)
[11:37] <thieum> hi there
[11:38] <smouche> TayloR- I love the easy toggling of views, especially the hidden files toggle icon, and the way windows snap - funky icons though!
[11:38] <thieum> question: usb key icon doesn't apper automatically on the desktop.... anyone knows howto to fix this ?
[11:38] <TayloR> smouche -- indeed, yeah its actually really nice and simple, thanks alot for suggesting it :)... hopefully that bug with konqueror is sorted sometime soon
[11:39] <KaiL> thieum: rightclick -> conf. desktop -> (second entry) -> tab device icons :)
[11:39] <TayloR> argh could someone refresh my memory on how i can check if dma is enabled on my cdrom?
[11:40] <SuperCatFrog> hdparm /dev/hdc -d
[11:40] <TayloR> ah hdc, thats where my mistake was at
[11:40] <TayloR> thanks :)
[11:40] <thieum> thanx KaiL, i'll try this tomorrow
[11:40] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: other way around
[11:40] <KaiL> hdparm -d /dev/hdc :)
[11:41] <treke> allee: Well I suspect he just wanted to make waves. If there was a real problem I'd expect he would say so rather than just say "just wait"
[11:41] <TayloR> ./dev/hdc: No such file or directory 
[11:41] <TayloR> i take it i need to manually create a mount point?
[11:41] <TayloR> and then mount it to that dir?
[11:42] <TayloR> or no?
[11:42] <KaiL> TayloR: go to media:/ and click :)
[11:42] <KaiL> treke: there are relay a lot of errors...
[11:42] <KaiL> and this channel misses a developer
[11:43] <TayloR> ah thanks KaiL
[11:43] <KaiL> would help a lot, if the bugs found could be solved fast......
[11:43] <thoreauputic> KaiL: Riddell is here sometimes - I expect a few developers grep through the logs as well :)
[11:44] <smouche> KaiL, they're stretched pretty thin, I think, and covering all the bases pretty well -- for support in these channels 
[11:44] <treke> KaiL: there may be bugs, but I tend to disregard people who point at vague statements instead of actually pointing out the problem so it can be fixed.
[11:44] <KaiL> treke: maybe he found to much problems
[11:44] <TayloR> thanks for the help people, bbl.. :)
[11:45] <KaiL> and if you grep the log, there are more than enogh sudo problems
[11:45] <treke> All I was asking for was the bug in something that most logic says could not cause problems at all
[11:45] <KaiL> not to mention the ndiswrapper-fun
[11:45] <treke> setting the root password logically should not cause any problems
[11:46] <smouche> I'm having hellish problems with various gui frontends to admin stuff, and I've been speculating that maybe it was because I (stupidly and needlessly) set myself a "root password" instead of learning sudo properly
[11:46] <smouche> now I have to use command line, which I know to little about in terms of commands -- would like to have those guis behaving
[11:49] <SuperCatFrog>  ive just installed linux-headers, but it vmware tells me that they dont match the running kernel (i haven't recompiled my kernel, just using the one that came with kubuntu). is there a particular package i need, or do i need to compile my own kernel?
[11:49] <smouche> kuser is unusable, several places in kcontrol won't work unless I open kcontrol with "sudo kcontrol" in a terminal, instead of opening it from a menu, and using "administration mode" - which won't work!
[11:49] <allee> KaiL: sudo or command line in general is tricky for 'newbies'.  ndiswrapper stuff is hardware and closed software --> two topics that cry for problems
[11:49] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - kuser broke my users on my gentoo box, use users-admin or something
[11:49] <KaiL> allee: yes
[11:50] <smouche> Thanks, SuperCatFrog -- yeah, I've been using adduser or useradd (forget which)...
[11:51] <SuperCatFrog> useradd
[11:53] <allee> SuperCatFrog: better use adduser  (useradd is 'low(er) level')
[11:53] <smouche> I'm happy to learn terminal commands -- but I kind of resent the time I've wasted with broken or confusing guis-- time I could have used for figuring out man pages instead!
[11:54] <allee> smouche: I like your attitude ;)
[11:54] <SuperCatFrog> o rite, ta
[11:55] <KaiL> allee: just fount out, that ndiswrapper.ko is in the linux-image package
[11:56] <KaiL> found....
[11:56] <smouche> heh heh, at first I thought you said, "aptitude" , allee... since kpackage doesn't like my sudo, aptitude is what I need next!
[11:56] <TayloR> Hmm, dma isnt enabled on my cdrom, how do i go about enabling that again lol?
[11:56] <allee> KaiL: yes but ndiswrapper-utils need to be installed 'by' hand :(
[11:56] <TayloR> its been a while since ive used the terminal, or any terminal :P
[11:57] <KaiL> allee: that's not *that* problem
[11:57] <allee> KaiL: we know but many don't ;)
[11:57] <smouche> hmmm, TayloR -- I enabled my DVD dma the other day, hmmm -- give me a couple minutes, I think it's the same file etc...
[11:57] <KaiL> installing a package is way easier then installing anything
[11:57] <TayloR> smouche -- ok thanks :)
[11:58] <allee> KaiL: .. if you know the package name and or how to search for it
[11:58] <smouche> ok, TayloR -- maybe you can adapt this to the CD rom --
[11:58] <KaiL> allee: if they ask here, we can help them fast
[11:59] <smouche> ~$ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[11:59] <smouche> /dev/dvd:
[11:59] <smouche>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[11:59] <smouche>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[11:59] <smouche> bc@suzy32:~$
[11:59] <KaiL> that should be enough for the first
[11:59] <TayloR> ok let me give it a shot
[11:59] <smouche> TayloR, I think there's something like that, but for CD -- 
[11:59] <TayloR> yep done it 
[11:59] <TayloR> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[11:59] <TayloR>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[11:59] <TayloR> Thanks alot :)
[11:59] <KaiL> in step 2, we can even remove this problem..
[12:00] <smouche> np, TayloR, hope it works!
[12:00] <KaiL> but I think, that'll go away alone with a *working* kynaptic
[12:00] <TayloR> smouche --  Yep it seems it did, thanks again for all your help ;)
[12:00] <smouche> I wish that had been enabled by default for my DVD; I couldn't understand why playback was so horrible!