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zuli take it the meeting is over12:43
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davidjWhere's a good place to find a comparison between Opterons and Xeons?01:55
qmandavidj: tomshardware.com or anandtech.com might be a start01:55
davidjqman: Thank you.01:56
qmanyup01:56
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zulwtf04:41
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fabbionemorning06:26
fabbionei guess zul didn't put up his archive yet07:13
fabbionelamont: i am going to parse bugzilla for external drivers requests and see how much we can include in the first shot09:02
lamontcool09:02
fabbionei am sure some of them are ok to go right away09:03
lamontbtw, the arch-hppa_pa1 patch (probably?) contains some newer-than-upstream driver changes, esp in the sym58xx driver, iirc.09:03
fabbionelamont: well the sym58xx is upstream.. isn't it?09:03
lamontsince willy likes to use the parisc tree as his personal testing ground before pushing them into linux (he's upstream for that driver)09:03
fabbioneah i see09:03
fabbionewell we can wait for willy to push it upstream09:03
lamontexactly09:03
fabbioneor otherwise you need to split the patch out of parisc09:04
lamontyeah, and I'm just not all that motivated to do that...09:04
fabbionei don't mind to coordinate with willy and use ubuntu as test bed09:04
fabbioneneither am i :)09:04
fabbionelet see if willy has it splitted already :)09:05
fabbionebaz commit -s'Update acpi_sony'09:07
fabbionessh: sftp: Name or service not known09:07
fabbionekernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90: not a valid archive name or url.09:07
fabbionebaz 1.4 is broken09:07
lamontthat's why I stick to what we ship our customers (aka hoary)09:12
fabbionelamont: yeah.. i know..09:12
lamonthehe09:12
fabbionebaz commit -s'Update atmel firmwarez'09:33
fabbionewhoops :)09:33
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T-Bone_booh09:48
=== fabbione larts T-Bone to start a good day
T-Bone_cool09:50
T-Bone_http://sloss.free.fr/gallerie/index.php?gal=5 <- have you been posing for that? ;}09:50
fabbioneehehe09:53
T-Bone_=)09:53
fabbionei did pose for warthogs :)09:53
T-Bone_lol09:54
fabbionethe warthogs suites me better in shape and size :P09:54
T-Bone_rotfl09:54
T-Bone_what an ugly person you must be 8)09:54
T-Bone_Teeheehee >:-)09:54
=== T-Bone_ contemplates UDU agenda, doesn't quite agree with all items, but heh
T-Bone_hu. Breezy uploads are open, heh10:02
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=== T-Bone_ contemplates uploading a bunch of hppa fixes
fabbioneyeah but there are no binaries10:19
fabbionenot until they will decide what to do with the ToolChain10:19
T-Bone_k10:20
=== T-Bone_ grumbles at kernel developers that return a bare struct allocated within the function :P
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T-Bone_Mithrandir : I think it's wouldn't be the first time RMS shows signs of mental disease ;P11:52
=== T-Bone_ ducks
MithrandirT-Bone_: -private?11:52
T-Bone_yeah11:52
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=== fabbione waits for the turtles to finish the kernel build
MithrandirT-Bone_: if you could test the ia32-libs from Debian and make sure I haven't broken anything, I'd appreciate01:47
T-Bone_Mithrandir : you mean testing Debian unstable's package on a Debian box, right?01:49
Mithrandirand on Ubuntu, yes01:49
T-Bone_the same package?01:49
Mithrandiryes01:49
Mithrandirplease01:49
T-Bone_ok01:49
MithrandirI want to sync it01:49
T-Bone_will do, though I can't tell you when yet (i'll be doing some handwork in my DC this evening, and I might be a bit tired when I'm done ;P01:50
fabbioneok01:53
fabbionetheoretically -1 is ready to go01:53
fabbioneall our arches builds/boots01:53
fabbioneat least.. to the best of my knowledge01:53
T-Bone_eww. That doesn't mean much then 8)01:54
=== T-Bone_ ducks
=== fabbione kills hppa from the kernel.. forever
T-Bone_bwahhaha01:56
fabbionesparc wins on i386 and ppc01:57
fabbioneit took less time to build the kernel than the other 2 arches01:57
=== T-Bone_ watches lamont preparing plastic sticks to blow up fabbione's house 8)
T-Bone_fabbione : let me guess: there's nothing enabled in that kernel, you're building half as much flavours as these archs have, or what? :)01:58
fabbioneno.. you can just branch and maintain separate packages01:58
fabbioneT-Bone: same configs as before...01:58
T-Bone_fabbione so you've got your hands on some awesome hardware?01:58
fabbionebut when ccache hits, sparc I/O > (ppc | i386) I/O01:59
T-Bone_huhu01:59
fabbioneT-Bone: same as yesterday01:59
Mithrandirfabbione: I/O doesn't matter when you've all in RAM. ;)01:59
=== T-Bone_ ^5s Mithrandir ;)
fabbioneMithrandir: it matters when it goes to ccache01:59
fabbioneall the arches didn't have the kernel in RAM01:59
Mithrandirfabbione: then you have too little RAM. :P01:59
fabbioneMithrandir: ppc has 2GB.. davis01:59
fabbionei386 1GB02:00
Mithrandirand then memory bandwidth/latency wins, which means: AMD64!02:00
fabbionesparc 512Mb02:00
Mithrandir:)02:00
T-Bone_ewww02:00
fabbioneMithrandir: i didn't mention concordia dude!02:00
T-Bone_hppa has 4 to 8GB ;)02:00
fabbioneMithrandir: that one beats everything02:00
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T-Bone__gaah, fsckin laggy connX02:11
fabbioneRiktig gjetta, detta er en homsekanal!02:12
Mithrandirfabbione: er?02:13
fabbioneahaha02:13
fabbionej/K02:13
fabbionedoesn't that mean something like: "that's right, this is a gaysex channel!"02:13
Mithrandirdoes02:13
T-Bone__reminds me of that French teacher when i went in England during a student exchange program, who asked me the best insults he could teach his students. They were barely be able to ask for food, yet he thought swearing was more important ;P02:15
fabbioneOui, vous l'avez devin. c'est un cannal de sexe homosexuel.02:16
T-Bone__s/sexe//02:16
T-Bone__err, s/de sexe//02:16
fabbionewhatever.. i don't speak french anyway02:16
T-Bone__that's a chance for us ;)02:17
fabbioneSonotoori.. Koko wa geisekkusu suru channeru nandayo~02:17
T-Bone__LOL02:17
T-Bone__not that bad02:17
fabbionei know02:17
fabbionewe have a bot that has the same sentence translated in like 100 languages02:18
T-Bone__you're copy/pasting, aren't you? You don't know japanese? ;)02:18
T-Bone__you pityful l4m3 ;P02:18
fabbionewhen somebody joins it randomically send out that sentence in the proper language according to the connecting ip02:18
T-Bone__lol02:18
T-Bone__am i to assume you're running a gay chan? :)02:19
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fabbioneit's not my chan...02:19
fabbioneotherwise i would have written "in MY chan"02:19
T-Bone_yet you're hanging on it. I wonder what your wife has to say about that ;)02:19
T-Bone_you said "we". I could assume there are others like you (what a disgusting thought, though =] )02:20
fabbioneit's not a gaysex chan either...02:20
fabbioneor a sex chan :)02:20
T-Bone_lol02:20
T-Bone_i thought everychan was about sex somehow? :)02:20
fabbioneit's like somebody enters here and we say that this isn't a kernel chan02:20
fabbioneT-Bone_: no really.. you can't make me hot02:21
T-Bone_that's ok. I don't have the IQ of an oyster you know. No need to explain me things more than once ;P02:21
T-Bone_fabbione : i'm glad i can't, actually 8)02:21
fabbionetime for a nap02:22
fabbionebbl02:22
fabbioneall arches are greenlight, but no upload yet02:23
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zulhttp://zulinux.homelinux.net/Archives/zulcss@gmail.com--2005/03:18
zulof course the power has to go out again at home when im at work!03:28
=== zul ottawa hydro
zulkills even03:31
=== T-Bone_ contemplates 450 days uptime on his home MTA machine, laughs at zul ;)
zulfuck im cursed this week03:34
T-Bone_as long as you're not coursed, everything's ok ;)03:35
zulwell at least im going to a hockey game tonight03:35
=== T-Bone_ is mostly doomed with buggy hardware to drive, lately. Fsckin PITA
zulheh03:36
T-Bone_sometimes hw designers should be brought together in a psychiatric hospital to get their brains fixed :P03:37
zulwith a very large bat?03:37
T-Bone_if nothing else's available... I was more thinking of an atomic bomb or the like...03:37
zulthats a bit too harsh03:39
T-Bone_i'm not quite sure it's enough, actually ;P03:39
zulfabbione: ping04:25
T-Bone_zul : he's having a nap ;)04:25
zulooo..04:26
=== T-Bone_ heads to uni's DC for racking-fu
T-Bone_see yall04:27
fabbionere04:41
zulhey fabbione sorry about the arch stuff i had it working last night but a power outage knocked it out this morning and i have no way of rebooting04:42
zulbut i see you updated it anyways04:42
fabbionezul: well i had to update anyway04:43
zulyeah i saw04:43
fabbionebecause i couldn't wait any longer04:43
zulyeah thats fine04:43
zulbut there shouldnt be any more problems from me..04:44
zulbut anyways how is it going?04:46
fabbioneit's going good04:46
zulgood04:46
zulim going out with my mother in law tonight ;)04:48
zuland i dont know why i said that04:53
zulso what drivers have you not updated?04:57
fabbionethey are all updated04:58
zulok04:58
fabbionewe need to start to look at bugzilla and make a list of the ones we can import04:58
zulwe should have a todo list and split it up amongst ourselves 04:59
zulttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=bugs.resolution%2C+relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=driver05:04
zulthis is a quicklist pass through of the drivers requested with the above url:05:15
zulsk98lin    - 893705:15
zulspca5xx usb  - 262405:15
zulWacom - 239605:15
zulacx_pci - 716005:15
zulazx audio driver - 662905:15
zullinksys wusb11 - 153405:15
zululi526x - 361805:15
zulperc 4e - 881705:15
zulqc-usb webcam - 614505:15
zulralink rt2500 -257005:15
zulacer hotkeys - 862805:15
zulpscax50x - 450005:15
zulwlb2011pcm - 815205:15
zulaudigy 2 NX - 906805:15
fabbionezul: kernel-team@05:15
zulov511 - 874505:15
zulbelkin f5d6051 - 265205:15
zuldriver - bug #05:15
zulok05:15
kylemspam spam spam.05:15
kylemspam spam eggs & spam.05:15
zulyeah so? :)05:15
kylemsorry, i've a final i'm going to fail in a couple hours.05:16
kylemso i'm kind of nutty. ;-)05:16
fabbioneov511 and 9068 are upstream.. probably only buggy05:16
zulsend an email to kernel-team05:19
zulnow i can go back to my regularily scheduled program05:19
zulholy crap its 11:30 already?05:21
Lathiatzul: where do you live?05:22
zulCanada05:22
Lathiatam or pm?05:22
zulam05:22
Lathiatah05:22
zulalmost time for lunch05:22
Lathiatheading towards midnight here :)05:22
zulsignapore?05:23
Lathiatperth, western australia, australia05:32
zulah05:33
fabbionezul: you are lazy06:06
fabbionethe list is far to be completed06:06
fabbionewe need to go trough buzgilla manually06:06
zulfabbione: it was a quick overview06:25
zulno way complete06:25
fabbionezul: i understand, but we need to go trough all of them :)06:27
zulduh :)06:28
kylemi wonder how divergent aacraid is...06:31
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zulfabbione: do you have a todo list or something we can have a look at?06:35
fabbionezul: nope.. we need to go trough the list of all requested external/update drivers06:36
fabbioneand evaluate which ones to include or not06:36
fabbioneand get the ok once in before the first upload06:36
fabbiones/once/ones06:37
zulspam..06:56
zulhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&component=linux&component=linux-kernel-headers&component=linux-meta&component=linux-wlan-ng&component=UNKNOWN&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&resolution=DUP06:56
zulLICATE&resolution=---&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=06:56
kylemholy crap.06:56
Lathiatzul: www.tinyurl.com dudde06:58
=== fabbione larts zul
zulheh...this is not a good week for me ;)07:01
zulhttp://tinyurl.com/4kn2e07:02
Lathiatmuch better :)07:03
zulvia has relased some drivers for their video cards as well07:07
fabbionedrm?07:10
zulthink so07:11
zulhttp://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/2005_archive/pr050412_driversource.jsp07:11
fabbioneENOCARE :)07:12
fabbionevia sucks anyway07:12
zulyeah but some users still use via07:12
fabbionetime for them to change to some sane hw07:13
fabbione:)07:13
zulheh07:15
Mithrandirhm07:25
Mithrandirwhat generates the pci maps?07:25
fabbionesomething at buildtime07:25
fabbioneit uses the pci_table thingy07:25
Mithrandirfabbione: damn, you're useful. ;P07:25
fabbioneif i knew it, i was not going to ask for a patch :)07:26
Mithrandiryou're supposed to be the kernel god07:26
fabbionei delegate some of my allmighy duties to the others07:27
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fabbionebrb07:27
zulgod my ass :)07:28
zulwhoops...said the quiet part outloud07:34
fabbionehhahaha07:34
Mithrandirbah, I need more memory for my amd64 box.07:35
Mithrandironly half a gig is useless for compiling shit.07:36
Mithrandira bit more than 100E for a gig more.. hmm07:36
fabbioneMithrandir: keep in mind you are going to be married.. buy as much hw as you can NOW!07:37
Mithrandirfabbione: nah, I don't buy hardware, I just end up with it.07:38
fabbioneehehe07:38
zulMithrandir: she wont let you buy hardware anymore you have to sneak it in07:39
Mithrandirzul: she's a geek too.  It's me stopping this place from overflowing ATM. :P07:40
zulhehe..wanna trade? :)07:41
=== fabbione starts to take a look at GFS
zulnfs v407:49
fabbionezul: that is already part of our kernel..07:51
fabbioneat least.. we build it07:51
zulbleah...nm07:51
fabbioneimpressive.. the patches did apply without any problem08:00
fabbionei wonder if it compiles :)08:00
Mithrandirwith the kerberos patches?08:02
fabbioneMithrandir: plain GFS from RH CVS08:02
Mithrandirnah, the kerberos 4 stuff08:02
fabbioneMithrandir: meh.. why?08:03
Mithrandirbecause kerberos and nfs4 is love.08:03
fabbionenah...08:04
fabbioneGFS > *08:04
fabbionenfs is boring08:04
Mithrandirnfs4 is interesting08:04
fabbionewell i heard some stuff about it.. but never got around to actually test it08:05
fabbione+ i don't think it supports clustering as GFS does08:05
fabbioneand i am looking at the latter08:05
MithrandirI though GFS was just a good way to deadlock your kernel?08:05
Mithrandirhave you gotten any further on the xen stuff, btw?08:06
fabbioneMithrandir: xen at the moment is no GO08:06
fabbioneand probably we won't be able to package images08:06
fabbionenot with 2.0.5 at least08:06
fabbionei was talking with mjg59 and another guy in london08:07
fabbionebasically 2.0.5 is way to sensitive to the hw08:07
fabbioneit uses a microkernel to boot the real kernel08:07
fabbioneand they realized that it is *BAD*08:07
fabbioneso now they are changing the implementation08:07
fabbionemaking the normal kernel to boot first08:08
fabbione(that it is know to work)08:08
fabbioneand taking over at a later stage08:08
Mithrandirok08:09
Mithrandirdo you have any idea on ETA for it?08:09
fabbionenope08:09
fabbionealso because they have their tree in bk :)08:09
fabbionehttp://xen.sf.net/08:09
fabbioneCONFIG_FS_GFS?08:11
fabbionem08:11
Mithrandirhmm, the map file is made by depmod08:15
fabbioneyeah and it uses infos from the modules08:17
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zulyou know what would be nice a arguement that will build only one kernel without removing the configs08:22
fabbionezul: uh?08:22
zulsay that i only want to build a 386 kernel, so i would do something like 08:23
zuldpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b 38608:23
fabbionerm debian/config/{686,k7}*08:23
zuland then the rules file in the debian directory would only build 38608:23
zuli know but without removing debian/config/{686,k7}*08:24
fabbionei know :)08:24
zulsomething like export FLAVOUR="386" dpkg-buildpackage or something08:24
fabbionezul: patch debian/rules to support it08:24
fabbionei don't mind to add this stuff08:25
zulor even export IMPATIENT08:25
fabbionejust be sure to use an ENVVAR that is not common08:25
zuloh i will08:25
zuli just have to figure it out08:25
zulwha...08:30
fabbionebah08:31
zulbla08:31
fabbionegfs requires another set of kernel modules just to build....08:31
zulhah hah08:31
fabbioneat least it's all there08:31
fabbionejust need more crack :)08:31
dilingermm, crack08:35
fabbionedilinger: you got mail08:37
Mithrandirfabbione: seems like i2o_block needs to grow something like:08:48
Mithrandirstatic struct pci_device_id i2o_block_ids = {08:48
Mithrandir  { 0x1044 0xa511, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0x10400, 0, 0, 0, },08:48
Mithrandir  { 0, }08:48
Mithrandir}08:48
MithrandirMODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(pci, i2o_block_ids);08:48
fabbioneMithrandir: cool.. send me the patch please :)08:49
fabbioneor in an email08:49
Mithrandirthat's a patch. :P08:49
fabbioneand i will add it immediatly08:49
MithrandirI'll put it in the bug report08:49
fabbioneMithrandir: just an email please :)08:49
fabbioneok08:49
Mithrandirbut my gf forces me to pack for LCA and UDU now, so I'm off08:51
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T-Bone_fabbione, ping?09:48
zulhey T-Bone 09:49
=== T-Bone_ guesses it's too late. May Mithrandir could help, having trouble installing an U30 :]
T-Bone_hey zul09:49
zultoo much perl can kill you09:55
dilingerperl made me sterile10:00
zulim pretty damn close10:00
Mithrandirperl is good for you10:01
zuli thought you were packing10:02
MithrandirI am10:02
Mithrandiractually, I think I'm fairly done.10:02
Mithrandirson now I just need to think10:02
Mithrandirabout what I've forgotten10:02
Mithrandirgood thing I'm not leaving until saturday, my luggage is only half-full so far10:02
zulwhen is udu again?10:03
zuloh you wacky italians10:05
fabbioneT-Bone: i doubt can be installed at the moment. we will have to wait for breezy10:05
fabbioneyou damn Short10:05
fabbionebbl10:05
fabbionegotta see some wedding pics with my wife10:05
zulcool...it will suck the life out of you though10:06
=== T-Bone_ guesses he'll install the U30 another day, too much a pain. Maybe the box is b0rken, even
fabbionezul: you are asking for it, don't you?10:08
zuli was just reading about the juventus liverpool game10:08
T-Bone_fabbione, actually i was planning to install debian meanwhile10:09
zulright...im out of here10:12
zulc ya later10:12
fabbionecluster/cman/cnxman.c:1092: error: structure has no member named `sk_zapped'10:22
fabbionedoh!10:22
T-Bone_could anyone tell me what i should put in my ia64 sources.list file; btw?10:25
=== T-Bone_ is currently at uni; finishing racking some material
kylemT-Bone_, http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian unstable main10:25
kylem;-)10:25
T-Bone_lol10:25
kylemT-Bone_, let me grep my log to see if someone's mentioned it here.10:26
T-Bone_thx10:26
fabbiones *.ko11:03
fabbionegfs.ko11:03
fabbionecrack!11:03
=== T-Bone_ is almost done. machines are up, SCSI arrays are up, needs some cable cleansing love and it'll be done
T-Bone_too bad i can't get that U30 to work ;)11:05

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