[12:43] <zul> i take it the meeting is over
[01:55] <davidj> Where's a good place to find a comparison between Opterons and Xeons?
[01:55] <qman> davidj: tomshardware.com or anandtech.com might be a start
[01:56] <davidj> qman: Thank you.
[01:56] <qman> yup
[04:41] <zul> wtf
[06:26] <fabbione> morning
[07:13] <fabbione> i guess zul didn't put up his archive yet
[09:02] <fabbione> lamont: i am going to parse bugzilla for external drivers requests and see how much we can include in the first shot
[09:02] <lamont> cool
[09:03] <fabbione> i am sure some of them are ok to go right away
[09:03] <lamont> btw, the arch-hppa_pa1 patch (probably?) contains some newer-than-upstream driver changes, esp in the sym58xx driver, iirc.
[09:03] <fabbione> lamont: well the sym58xx is upstream.. isn't it?
[09:03] <lamont> since willy likes to use the parisc tree as his personal testing ground before pushing them into linux (he's upstream for that driver)
[09:03] <fabbione> ah i see
[09:03] <fabbione> well we can wait for willy to push it upstream
[09:03] <lamont> exactly
[09:04] <fabbione> or otherwise you need to split the patch out of parisc
[09:04] <lamont> yeah, and I'm just not all that motivated to do that...
[09:04] <fabbione> i don't mind to coordinate with willy and use ubuntu as test bed
[09:04] <fabbione> neither am i :)
[09:05] <fabbione> let see if willy has it splitted already :)
[09:07] <fabbione> baz commit -s'Update acpi_sony'
[09:07] <fabbione> ssh: sftp: Name or service not known
[09:07] <fabbione> kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90: not a valid archive name or url.
[09:07] <fabbione> baz 1.4 is broken
[09:12] <lamont> that's why I stick to what we ship our customers (aka hoary)
[09:12] <fabbione> lamont: yeah.. i know..
[09:12] <lamont> hehe
[09:33] <fabbione> baz commit -s'Update atmel firmwarez'
[09:33] <fabbione> whoops :)
[09:48] <T-Bone_> booh
[09:50] <T-Bone_> cool
[09:50] <T-Bone_> http://sloss.free.fr/gallerie/index.php?gal=5 <- have you been posing for that? ;}
[09:53] <fabbione> ehehe
[09:53] <T-Bone_> =)
[09:53] <fabbione> i did pose for warthogs :)
[09:54] <T-Bone_> lol
[09:54] <fabbione> the warthogs suites me better in shape and size :P
[09:54] <T-Bone_> rotfl
[09:54] <T-Bone_> what an ugly person you must be 8)
[09:54] <T-Bone_> Teeheehee >:-)
[10:02] <T-Bone_> hu. Breezy uploads are open, heh
[10:19] <fabbione> yeah but there are no binaries
[10:19] <fabbione> not until they will decide what to do with the ToolChain
[10:20] <T-Bone_> k
[11:52] <T-Bone_> Mithrandir : I think it's wouldn't be the first time RMS shows signs of mental disease ;P
[11:52] <Mithrandir> T-Bone_: -private?
[11:52] <T-Bone_> yeah
[01:47] <Mithrandir> T-Bone_: if you could test the ia32-libs from Debian and make sure I haven't broken anything, I'd appreciate
[01:49] <T-Bone_> Mithrandir : you mean testing Debian unstable's package on a Debian box, right?
[01:49] <Mithrandir> and on Ubuntu, yes
[01:49] <T-Bone_> the same package?
[01:49] <Mithrandir> yes
[01:49] <Mithrandir> please
[01:49] <T-Bone_> ok
[01:49] <Mithrandir> I want to sync it
[01:50] <T-Bone_> will do, though I can't tell you when yet (i'll be doing some handwork in my DC this evening, and I might be a bit tired when I'm done ;P
[01:53] <fabbione> ok
[01:53] <fabbione> theoretically -1 is ready to go
[01:53] <fabbione> all our arches builds/boots
[01:53] <fabbione> at least.. to the best of my knowledge
[01:54] <T-Bone_> eww. That doesn't mean much then 8)
[01:56] <T-Bone_> bwahhaha
[01:57] <fabbione> sparc wins on i386 and ppc
[01:57] <fabbione> it took less time to build the kernel than the other 2 arches
[01:58] <T-Bone_> fabbione : let me guess: there's nothing enabled in that kernel, you're building half as much flavours as these archs have, or what? :)
[01:58] <fabbione> no.. you can just branch and maintain separate packages
[01:58] <fabbione> T-Bone: same configs as before...
[01:58] <T-Bone_> fabbione so you've got your hands on some awesome hardware?
[01:59] <fabbione> but when ccache hits, sparc I/O > (ppc | i386) I/O
[01:59] <T-Bone_> huhu
[01:59] <fabbione> T-Bone: same as yesterday
[01:59] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I/O doesn't matter when you've all in RAM. ;)
[01:59] <fabbione> Mithrandir: it matters when it goes to ccache
[01:59] <fabbione> all the arches didn't have the kernel in RAM
[01:59] <Mithrandir> fabbione: then you have too little RAM. :P
[01:59] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ppc has 2GB.. davis
[02:00] <fabbione> i386 1GB
[02:00] <Mithrandir> and then memory bandwidth/latency wins, which means: AMD64!
[02:00] <fabbione> sparc 512Mb
[02:00] <Mithrandir> :)
[02:00] <T-Bone_> ewww
[02:00] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i didn't mention concordia dude!
[02:00] <T-Bone_> hppa has 4 to 8GB ;)
[02:00] <fabbione> Mithrandir: that one beats everything
[02:11] <T-Bone__> gaah, fsckin laggy connX
[02:12] <fabbione> Riktig gjetta, detta er en homsekanal!
[02:13] <Mithrandir> fabbione: er?
[02:13] <fabbione> ahaha
[02:13] <fabbione> j/K
[02:13] <fabbione> doesn't that mean something like: "that's right, this is a gaysex channel!"
[02:13] <Mithrandir> does
[02:15] <T-Bone__> reminds me of that French teacher when i went in England during a student exchange program, who asked me the best insults he could teach his students. They were barely be able to ask for food, yet he thought swearing was more important ;P
[02:16] <fabbione> Oui, vous l'avez devin. c'est un cannal de sexe homosexuel.
[02:16] <T-Bone__> s/sexe//
[02:16] <T-Bone__> err, s/de sexe//
[02:16] <fabbione> whatever.. i don't speak french anyway
[02:17] <T-Bone__> that's a chance for us ;)
[02:17] <fabbione> Sonotoori.. Koko wa geisekkusu suru channeru nandayo~
[02:17] <T-Bone__> LOL
[02:17] <T-Bone__> not that bad
[02:17] <fabbione> i know
[02:18] <fabbione> we have a bot that has the same sentence translated in like 100 languages
[02:18] <T-Bone__> you're copy/pasting, aren't you? You don't know japanese? ;)
[02:18] <T-Bone__> you pityful l4m3 ;P
[02:18] <fabbione> when somebody joins it randomically send out that sentence in the proper language according to the connecting ip
[02:18] <T-Bone__> lol
[02:19] <T-Bone__> am i to assume you're running a gay chan? :)
[02:19] <fabbione> it's not my chan...
[02:19] <fabbione> otherwise i would have written "in MY chan"
[02:19] <T-Bone_> yet you're hanging on it. I wonder what your wife has to say about that ;)
[02:20] <T-Bone_> you said "we". I could assume there are others like you (what a disgusting thought, though =] )
[02:20] <fabbione> it's not a gaysex chan either...
[02:20] <fabbione> or a sex chan :)
[02:20] <T-Bone_> lol
[02:20] <T-Bone_> i thought everychan was about sex somehow? :)
[02:20] <fabbione> it's like somebody enters here and we say that this isn't a kernel chan
[02:21] <fabbione> T-Bone_: no really.. you can't make me hot
[02:21] <T-Bone_> that's ok. I don't have the IQ of an oyster you know. No need to explain me things more than once ;P
[02:21] <T-Bone_> fabbione : i'm glad i can't, actually 8)
[02:22] <fabbione> time for a nap
[02:22] <fabbione> bbl
[02:23] <fabbione> all arches are greenlight, but no upload yet
[03:18] <zul> http://zulinux.homelinux.net/Archives/zulcss@gmail.com--2005/
[03:28] <zul> of course the power has to go out again at home when im at work!
[03:31] <zul> kills even
[03:34] <zul> fuck im cursed this week
[03:35] <T-Bone_> as long as you're not coursed, everything's ok ;)
[03:35] <zul> well at least im going to a hockey game tonight
[03:36] <zul> heh
[03:37] <T-Bone_> sometimes hw designers should be brought together in a psychiatric hospital to get their brains fixed :P
[03:37] <zul> with a very large bat?
[03:37] <T-Bone_> if nothing else's available... I was more thinking of an atomic bomb or the like...
[03:39] <zul> thats a bit too harsh
[03:39] <T-Bone_> i'm not quite sure it's enough, actually ;P
[04:25] <zul> fabbione: ping
[04:25] <T-Bone_> zul : he's having a nap ;)
[04:26] <zul> ooo..
[04:27] <T-Bone_> see yall
[04:41] <fabbione> re
[04:42] <zul> hey fabbione sorry about the arch stuff i had it working last night but a power outage knocked it out this morning and i have no way of rebooting
[04:42] <zul> but i see you updated it anyways
[04:43] <fabbione> zul: well i had to update anyway
[04:43] <zul> yeah i saw
[04:43] <fabbione> because i couldn't wait any longer
[04:43] <zul> yeah thats fine
[04:44] <zul> but there shouldnt be any more problems from me..
[04:46] <zul> but anyways how is it going?
[04:46] <fabbione> it's going good
[04:46] <zul> good
[04:48] <zul> im going out with my mother in law tonight ;)
[04:53] <zul> and i dont know why i said that
[04:57] <zul> so what drivers have you not updated?
[04:58] <fabbione> they are all updated
[04:58] <zul> ok
[04:58] <fabbione> we need to start to look at bugzilla and make a list of the ones we can import
[04:59] <zul> we should have a todo list and split it up amongst ourselves 
[05:04] <zul> ttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=bugs.resolution%2C+relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=driver
[05:15] <zul> this is a quicklist pass through of the drivers requested with the above url:
[05:15] <zul> sk98lin    - 8937
[05:15] <zul> spca5xx usb  - 2624
[05:15] <zul> Wacom - 2396
[05:15] <zul> acx_pci - 7160
[05:15] <zul> azx audio driver - 6629
[05:15] <zul> linksys wusb11 - 1534
[05:15] <zul> uli526x - 3618
[05:15] <zul> perc 4e - 8817
[05:15] <zul> qc-usb webcam - 6145
[05:15] <zul> ralink rt2500 -2570
[05:15] <zul> acer hotkeys - 8628
[05:15] <zul> pscax50x - 4500
[05:15] <zul> wlb2011pcm - 8152
[05:15] <zul> audigy 2 NX - 9068
[05:15] <fabbione> zul: kernel-team@
[05:15] <zul> ov511 - 8745
[05:15] <zul> belkin f5d6051 - 2652
[05:15] <zul> driver - bug #
[05:15] <zul> ok
[05:15] <kylem> spam spam spam.
[05:15] <kylem> spam spam eggs & spam.
[05:15] <zul> yeah so? :)
[05:16] <kylem> sorry, i've a final i'm going to fail in a couple hours.
[05:16] <kylem> so i'm kind of nutty. ;-)
[05:16] <fabbione> ov511 and 9068 are upstream.. probably only buggy
[05:19] <zul> send an email to kernel-team
[05:19] <zul> now i can go back to my regularily scheduled program
[05:21] <zul> holy crap its 11:30 already?
[05:22] <Lathiat> zul: where do you live?
[05:22] <zul> Canada
[05:22] <Lathiat> am or pm?
[05:22] <zul> am
[05:22] <Lathiat> ah
[05:22] <zul> almost time for lunch
[05:22] <Lathiat> heading towards midnight here :)
[05:23] <zul> signapore?
[05:32] <Lathiat> perth, western australia, australia
[05:33] <zul> ah
[06:06] <fabbione> zul: you are lazy
[06:06] <fabbione> the list is far to be completed
[06:06] <fabbione> we need to go trough buzgilla manually
[06:25] <zul> fabbione: it was a quick overview
[06:25] <zul> no way complete
[06:27] <fabbione> zul: i understand, but we need to go trough all of them :)
[06:28] <zul> duh :)
[06:31] <kylem> i wonder how divergent aacraid is...
[06:35] <zul> fabbione: do you have a todo list or something we can have a look at?
[06:36] <fabbione> zul: nope.. we need to go trough the list of all requested external/update drivers
[06:36] <fabbione> and evaluate which ones to include or not
[06:36] <fabbione> and get the ok once in before the first upload
[06:37] <fabbione> s/once/ones
[06:56] <zul> spam..
[06:56] <zul> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&component=linux&component=linux-kernel-headers&component=linux-meta&component=linux-wlan-ng&component=UNKNOWN&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&resolution=DUP
[06:56] <zul> LICATE&resolution=---&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
[06:56] <kylem> holy crap.
[06:58] <Lathiat> zul: www.tinyurl.com dudde
[07:01] <zul> heh...this is not a good week for me ;)
[07:02] <zul> http://tinyurl.com/4kn2e
[07:03] <Lathiat> much better :)
[07:07] <zul> via has relased some drivers for their video cards as well
[07:10] <fabbione> drm?
[07:11] <zul> think so
[07:11] <zul> http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/2005_archive/pr050412_driversource.jsp
[07:12] <fabbione> ENOCARE :)
[07:12] <fabbione> via sucks anyway
[07:12] <zul> yeah but some users still use via
[07:13] <fabbione> time for them to change to some sane hw
[07:13] <fabbione> :)
[07:15] <zul> heh
[07:25] <Mithrandir> hm
[07:25] <Mithrandir> what generates the pci maps?
[07:25] <fabbione> something at buildtime
[07:25] <fabbione> it uses the pci_table thingy
[07:25] <Mithrandir> fabbione: damn, you're useful. ;P
[07:26] <fabbione> if i knew it, i was not going to ask for a patch :)
[07:26] <Mithrandir> you're supposed to be the kernel god
[07:27] <fabbione> i delegate some of my allmighy duties to the others
[07:27] <fabbione> brb
[07:28] <zul> god my ass :)
[07:34] <zul> whoops...said the quiet part outloud
[07:34] <fabbione> hhahaha
[07:35] <Mithrandir> bah, I need more memory for my amd64 box.
[07:36] <Mithrandir> only half a gig is useless for compiling shit.
[07:36] <Mithrandir> a bit more than 100E for a gig more.. hmm
[07:37] <fabbione> Mithrandir: keep in mind you are going to be married.. buy as much hw as you can NOW!
[07:38] <Mithrandir> fabbione: nah, I don't buy hardware, I just end up with it.
[07:38] <fabbione> ehehe
[07:39] <zul> Mithrandir: she wont let you buy hardware anymore you have to sneak it in
[07:40] <Mithrandir> zul: she's a geek too.  It's me stopping this place from overflowing ATM. :P
[07:41] <zul> hehe..wanna trade? :)
[07:49] <zul> nfs v4
[07:51] <fabbione> zul: that is already part of our kernel..
[07:51] <fabbione> at least.. we build it
[07:51] <zul> bleah...nm
[08:00] <fabbione> impressive.. the patches did apply without any problem
[08:00] <fabbione> i wonder if it compiles :)
[08:02] <Mithrandir> with the kerberos patches?
[08:02] <fabbione> Mithrandir: plain GFS from RH CVS
[08:02] <Mithrandir> nah, the kerberos 4 stuff
[08:03] <fabbione> Mithrandir: meh.. why?
[08:03] <Mithrandir> because kerberos and nfs4 is love.
[08:04] <fabbione> nah...
[08:04] <fabbione> GFS > *
[08:04] <fabbione> nfs is boring
[08:04] <Mithrandir> nfs4 is interesting
[08:05] <fabbione> well i heard some stuff about it.. but never got around to actually test it
[08:05] <fabbione> + i don't think it supports clustering as GFS does
[08:05] <fabbione> and i am looking at the latter
[08:05] <Mithrandir> I though GFS was just a good way to deadlock your kernel?
[08:06] <Mithrandir> have you gotten any further on the xen stuff, btw?
[08:06] <fabbione> Mithrandir: xen at the moment is no GO
[08:06] <fabbione> and probably we won't be able to package images
[08:06] <fabbione> not with 2.0.5 at least
[08:07] <fabbione> i was talking with mjg59 and another guy in london
[08:07] <fabbione> basically 2.0.5 is way to sensitive to the hw
[08:07] <fabbione> it uses a microkernel to boot the real kernel
[08:07] <fabbione> and they realized that it is *BAD*
[08:07] <fabbione> so now they are changing the implementation
[08:08] <fabbione> making the normal kernel to boot first
[08:08] <fabbione> (that it is know to work)
[08:08] <fabbione> and taking over at a later stage
[08:09] <Mithrandir> ok
[08:09] <Mithrandir> do you have any idea on ETA for it?
[08:09] <fabbione> nope
[08:09] <fabbione> also because they have their tree in bk :)
[08:09] <fabbione> http://xen.sf.net/
[08:11] <fabbione> CONFIG_FS_GFS?
[08:11] <fabbione> m
[08:15] <Mithrandir> hmm, the map file is made by depmod
[08:17] <fabbione> yeah and it uses infos from the modules
[08:22] <zul> you know what would be nice a arguement that will build only one kernel without removing the configs
[08:22] <fabbione> zul: uh?
[08:23] <zul> say that i only want to build a 386 kernel, so i would do something like 
[08:23] <zul> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b 386
[08:23] <fabbione> rm debian/config/{686,k7}*
[08:23] <zul> and then the rules file in the debian directory would only build 386
[08:24] <zul> i know but without removing debian/config/{686,k7}*
[08:24] <fabbione> i know :)
[08:24] <zul> something like export FLAVOUR="386" dpkg-buildpackage or something
[08:24] <fabbione> zul: patch debian/rules to support it
[08:25] <fabbione> i don't mind to add this stuff
[08:25] <zul> or even export IMPATIENT
[08:25] <fabbione> just be sure to use an ENVVAR that is not common
[08:25] <zul> oh i will
[08:25] <zul> i just have to figure it out
[08:30] <zul> wha...
[08:31] <fabbione> bah
[08:31] <zul> bla
[08:31] <fabbione> gfs requires another set of kernel modules just to build....
[08:31] <zul> hah hah
[08:31] <fabbione> at least it's all there
[08:31] <fabbione> just need more crack :)
[08:35] <dilinger> mm, crack
[08:37] <fabbione> dilinger: you got mail
[08:48] <Mithrandir> fabbione: seems like i2o_block needs to grow something like:
[08:48] <Mithrandir> static struct pci_device_id i2o_block_ids = {
[08:48] <Mithrandir>   { 0x1044 0xa511, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0x10400, 0, 0, 0, },
[08:48] <Mithrandir>   { 0, }
[08:48] <Mithrandir> }
[08:48] <Mithrandir> MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(pci, i2o_block_ids);
[08:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: cool.. send me the patch please :)
[08:49] <fabbione> or in an email
[08:49] <Mithrandir> that's a patch. :P
[08:49] <fabbione> and i will add it immediatly
[08:49] <Mithrandir> I'll put it in the bug report
[08:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: just an email please :)
[08:49] <fabbione> ok
[08:51] <Mithrandir> but my gf forces me to pack for LCA and UDU now, so I'm off
[09:48] <T-Bone_> fabbione, ping?
[09:49] <zul> hey T-Bone 
[09:49] <T-Bone_> hey zul
[09:55] <zul> too much perl can kill you
[10:00] <dilinger> perl made me sterile
[10:00] <zul> im pretty damn close
[10:01] <Mithrandir> perl is good for you
[10:02] <zul> i thought you were packing
[10:02] <Mithrandir> I am
[10:02] <Mithrandir> actually, I think I'm fairly done.
[10:02] <Mithrandir> son now I just need to think
[10:02] <Mithrandir> about what I've forgotten
[10:02] <Mithrandir> good thing I'm not leaving until saturday, my luggage is only half-full so far
[10:03] <zul> when is udu again?
[10:05] <zul> oh you wacky italians
[10:05] <fabbione> T-Bone: i doubt can be installed at the moment. we will have to wait for breezy
[10:05] <fabbione> you damn Short
[10:05] <fabbione> bbl
[10:05] <fabbione> gotta see some wedding pics with my wife
[10:06] <zul> cool...it will suck the life out of you though
[10:08] <fabbione> zul: you are asking for it, don't you?
[10:08] <zul> i was just reading about the juventus liverpool game
[10:09] <T-Bone_> fabbione, actually i was planning to install debian meanwhile
[10:12] <zul> right...im out of here
[10:12] <zul> c ya later
[10:22] <fabbione> cluster/cman/cnxman.c:1092: error: structure has no member named `sk_zapped'
[10:22] <fabbione> doh!
[10:25] <T-Bone_> could anyone tell me what i should put in my ia64 sources.list file; btw?
[10:25] <kylem> T-Bone_, http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian unstable main
[10:25] <kylem> ;-)
[10:25] <T-Bone_> lol
[10:26] <kylem> T-Bone_, let me grep my log to see if someone's mentioned it here.
[10:26] <T-Bone_> thx
[11:03] <fabbione> s *.ko
[11:03] <fabbione> gfs.ko
[11:03] <fabbione> crack!
[11:05] <T-Bone_> too bad i can't get that U30 to work ;)