=== amu [~amu@dump.mediaways.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === tseng [~tseng@thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === coastGNU [~templin@dyndsl-085-016-004-184.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === schweeb [~chris@schweeb.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === coastGNU [~templin@dyndsl-085-016-004-184.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tritium [~mrimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Phython [ja2morri@perpugilliam.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dredg [niall@binky.blacknight.ie] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [~daniel@p54A6535E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:50] morning === ogra yawns [05:53] morning? I just put the kids to bed and my bed time is also coming up :) [05:53] 5:51am here :) === dholbach gives ogra the high five [05:54] 9 minutes until the meeting? just enough time to go smoke [05:54] Amaranth: depends on WHAT you're going to smoke [05:55] marlboro :) === coastGNU Ahh, sun is rising... === diamond [~diamond@194.46.72.1] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:02] i'm here [06:02] offs, wake the hell up! ;) [06:02] It's my first time at a ubuntu-meeting. Will anyone give a start signal?? === jdthood [~jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:03] hey jthood! [06:03] glad to see you're applying for maintainership :) [06:03] coastGNU: If you stay quiet you might not get notice [06:03] coastGNU: best idea would probably be just to sit back and go with the flow :) [06:03] d [06:03] Hello. I initially thought the meeting was on #ubuntu, but obviously not. [06:04] schweeb: I'm just fighting not to flow asleep. :-) === schweeb hands coastGNU one of his provigils [06:05] hmm, where's mako ? [06:05] maybe he forgot, heh [06:05] hrm.... [06:05] not so good! [06:06] should have started 5 minutes ago :) [06:06] may anyone ring Mako up? [06:06] i pinged him in -devel [06:06] er, relax. [06:07] dredg: at 5am, the real danger is of relaxing too much -) [06:07] dredg, i'd like to, yes.... [06:07] ogra: he's been idle for 3h, that's unlikely to have helped ;-) [06:08] smurfix, thats bad..... [06:09] hi smurfix [06:10] mako is on the bed yet.. [06:13] Alessio: Mako, which timezone, east coast USA? [06:13] so, does anyone have a way of reaching mako? [06:13] the meeting is postponed tomorrow night ;) [06:13] coastGNU: yes [06:13] mako's Eastern time [06:13] coastGNU, 0.00 am i think [06:13] it's midnight right now [06:13] so thats no reason not to attend :-) [06:14] indeed [06:14] he's usually awake this time of night... [06:15] awake in a pub? [06:15] Can anyone here call this meeting to order or shall we consider it cancelled? [06:16] mdz? Kamion? thom? lamont? fabbione? [06:17] sabfdl, where is he? [06:17] jdthood: kamion and elmo are fast asleep, as for sabdfl i don't know, those 3 + mako can chair the CC [06:18] jdthood: May be it might be a good idea to start with a topic which may be discussed. So we may be able to get prepared for a follow up meeting? === smurfix grumbles [06:19] First item on the agenda is a list of new membership candidates. We can skip that. [06:19] dredg is about to send mako an sms [06:19] Second item on the agenda is ' Need for IRC operators/moderators for #ubuntu? [06:19] speaking of that, bob2 should be here... [06:19] yep [06:20] 3rd item? LoCoTeams and Mailing list process [06:20] "At the next CC meeting, everyone on the channel will be invited and there will be a decision for operatorship by rough consensus." [06:20] sorry i am late [06:20] fabbione, nope [06:20] fabbione, mako is missing [06:20] fabbione: Others are even later :-/ [06:20] ah ok [06:21] Ref: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/cc-summary-20050322.html [06:21] fabbione, as well as the rest of CC [06:22] Third item on the agenda, as coastGNU pointed out, is: LoCoTeams and Mailing list process. We need a way to recognize when teams become teams and what the relationship should be between language lists, moderators, and LoCoTeams is -- if any. [06:22] How do you volunteer to be an operator? Just say something? :) [06:24] Amaranth: By the principle of doocracy? Cite of Knut Irvyn, Skolelinux, 'We are a doocracy' :) [06:25] coastGNU, how does that work with having a dictator ? === aj [aj-irc@azure.humbug.org.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === daniels [~daniels@202-44-183-17.nexnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:25] oh, .au wakes up :) [06:26] i've been awake for five hours [06:26] and already uploaded two packages to breezy :P [06:26] heh, i saw :) [06:26] daniels: you rock! we love you! :-) [06:26] daniels: yeah, not to keep score or anything... ;) [06:26] I've uploaded an updated xfdesktop4, too [06:27] I am considering the meeting cancelled. === jdthood goes back to bed === dholbach just notices that the Beatles had a song "Rocky Raccoon" - sounds like a release name, eh? [06:29] oh [06:29] actually, i think three today ... depends on whether i did nvidia-settings today or last night (i can't remember) [06:29] dholbach: oh man [06:29] daniels: you're right, we might run into trouble with that one :-) [06:30] can the CC start? [06:30] the thought of uploading stuff to rocky scares me [06:30] haha :-) [06:30] wake up 6 a.m. for nothing? [06:30] :( [06:31] so what's meant to be discussed, can't you just have an informal meeting, and thrust minutes on to the slacker chairs when they wake up? [06:31] aj: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [06:33] aj, there have to be approved a lot of members, which cant be made without their decision... [06:33] oh, all decision making things [06:33] jop [06:33] uhm.. [06:33] could work out a way to reco'nize when teams become teams [06:33] Doesn't everything need chair approval? [06:34] nearly... [06:34] If we figure out some arguments in a discussion it might be helpfull for a follow up meeting? [06:34] ogra, are we waiting only mako? [06:35] looks like... [06:35] Alessio: the other CC members should be sleeping (as for sabdfl i dont know) [06:35] i see no items that coud be handled without CC on the agenda [06:35] i think that #ubuntu needs some operator [06:35] call one of them? :) [06:36] bob2 did a survey among possible candidates, he is missing too [06:36] Amaranth: dredg sent an sms to mako [06:36] does a phone ring when it gets an sms? [06:36] a little light just starts blinking on mine [06:36] Amaranth: depends on the phone ;) [06:37] Amaranth, mine beeps... [06:37] elmo's phone rings louder and louder 'til he wakes up [06:37] poor elmo [06:37] but is there any problem in syncronization of CC members ;) ? [06:37] unfortunately he's coming to .au by next week and i value my life [06:37] Amaranth: depends on configuration, I would suggest to phone him directly. Should be the same number I would say. [06:37] aj: hahaha [06:37] heh [06:38] where is elmo located? i could get screamed at if he is in the US :) [06:38] Amaranth, UK [06:38] UK, where it's 4am or 5am or so [06:38] ah [06:39] 5:39am. [06:39] 5:38 [06:39] heh [06:39] bad time [06:39] Alessio: good time to get out of bed... [06:39] but why have they fixed that CC? [06:39] i get myself another coffee, call me, if i take too much time :-) [06:39] I don't think elmo abides by the most normal of sleeping hours anyways, heh [06:40] what, 3am to midday's not normal? :) [06:40] for rotate? [06:42] 41 minutes.. it's late === Amaranth pictures them all saying "I'm sure one of the others will be there" and doing something else [06:42] yea [06:42] well, mako's probably the best candidate for a phone call, if anyone has his number :) [06:42] bad wake up this morning [06:43] ;D [06:43] http://mako.yukidoke.org/contact.html [06:44] crimsun, you took a volovoguy background ? [06:44] I'd call, but my cell phone is uber-out-of-range at my house [06:44] I don't mind calling -- free long distance for me. [06:44] ogra: nope, for now I just followed upstream's request to change it to non-Xfld [06:45] bah [06:45] tritium: same [06:45] crimsun, ah, because you wrote oliver.... [06:45] I live in an area devoid of cellular signal [06:45] ogra: jani and I will work on getting/making some Ubuntu-specific Xfce artwork [06:45] I'll call... [06:45] oh, mako is in US [06:45] crimsun, yeah, that sounds great.... [06:45] crimsun: rock :-) [06:45] cell phone gets free long distance after 9pm, i can call [06:45] That's a Seattle area code, but I think he's in N.Y. [06:46] dholbach: that number is where i sent the sms to. either he's not checking his phone at all or my provider is silently dropping intl. messages [06:46] or tritium can [06:46] if someone wants to call him, fire ahead [06:46] a call might be best [06:46] cool [06:46] dredg: sms to us providers is a... gamble [06:47] who call him? should i call? [06:47] diamond: yeah, it's gsm though so i'm counting on it being sane(ish) [06:47] I can if Mike doesn't [06:47] or perhaps we both will [06:48] tritium: are you calling? [06:48] yes [06:48] chatting [06:48] k, thanks. [06:48] he can be here in about 30 mints [06:48] minutes [06:48] works for me === ogra yawns [06:49] who needs sleep anyways [06:49] ok, so we will postpone for 30 mins === dholbach takes the dog for a walk then [06:49] thanks tritium [06:50] 0530 UTC then? [06:50] tritium: yay. cheers for making getting up at 5am not a complete waste of time -) [06:50] I suppose I should eat dinner === dholbach high fives tritium, soon-to-be-made-MOTU [06:50] 30 minutes? [06:50] oh.. [06:50] 0515 would be closer to 30 mins, but 0530 is more considerate ;) [06:51] unless ubuntu isn't updating my time 30 minutes is 0521 :) [06:51] Okay, just got off the phone. [06:51] He'll be here in roughly 30 minutes. [06:51] great, thanks. === crimsun preps lecture notes [06:52] however, without the rest of the council, he thinks we'll push the meeting to Thursday === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.121.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:52] sounds reasonable to me [06:53] yeah, doesn't it take 2 to approve new members? [06:53] So he'll post to #ubuntu-news with the meeting reschedule details. [06:53] dredg, afaik yes... [06:53] or is my sleep-deprived brain making things up? [06:53] ubuntu-news@ rather, hm? [06:54] or -devel? [06:54] dholbach, heh, yes :) [06:54] ah [06:54] he specifically said "news" [06:54] right [06:54] anway... i'm taking the dog out... bbl [06:54] But he'll still be back online soon, even if the meeting is canceled [06:56] can the meeting cancelled? [06:56] the i can come bacj to bed.. [06:56] rescheduled [06:56] who can decide it? === ogra grumbles... [06:57] night all [06:57] night ogra [06:59] i come back [06:59] to the bed === ups [~ups@203.200.160.36] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:00] i hope that the meeting'll be reschedule.. [07:00] in the next days-- [07:00] Alessio, plan on Thursday, according to mako [07:00] same time? [07:01] tritium: our Thursday or UTC thursday [07:01] tritium, smae time? [07:01] *same [07:01] schweeb, I guess either wait 30 minutes or so and talk to mako, or watch for his post to ubuntu-news [07:01] yea [07:02] night all [07:02] night [07:02] 1 hour [07:02] too late.. [07:02] 4*mumbles something about daylight saving* [07:03] yeah, it would be 11pm right now and i wouldn't be forcing myself to stay up :) [07:04] the old time (1600 UTC) was not good for me (at 17:00 I'm in the bus home) [07:04] this time is bad as well: I'm going to work in 5 minutes 8) [07:05] well, hopefully the meetings won't go over an hour :) [07:05] hard to pick a time that people around the world can make [07:05] Amaranth: yeah, rotating schedule would probably be best [07:06] Amaranth: May be we should use stardate time? ;-) [07:06] (sometimes 4:00 UTC, sometimes 8:00 UTC, sometimes 12:00 UTC, etc [07:11] Treenaks: it currently is on a 6 hour incrementing rotation [07:11] the next at 8:00 UTC i think [07:11] night all [07:12] diamond: naturally. the next meeting won't be held last week [07:12] re [07:13] hi dholbach [07:13] dredg: ye..es [07:14] diamond: remember, half the world's population is water. the other 96% is wheat. [07:14] that's just not enough [07:15] lol === dredg loses the game === mako [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:38] tritium: greetings [07:39] hi mako :) [07:39] hi mako [07:39] hey everyone [07:39] mako: any chance of getting someone of the other CC members here? [07:40] dholbach: hmmmm [07:40] a couple of people that were on the agenda left already, didn't they? [07:40] mako, I hope you don't mind the phone call. Did you make the "acceptance face" out of surprise? [07:40] i think the chance of getting mark is very very low [07:40] tritium: no, i'm glad you called [07:41] i put the phone number up there for a reason [07:41] good deal [07:41] croatians calling me at 4am because their shipments are in customs.. less good :) [07:41] this, fine :) [07:41] lol [07:41] :) [07:41] so anyway [07:41] i thought the meetings were scheduled for the tuesdays always.. [07:42] in any case, there has been confusion on this one, and some, er selective memory i think [07:42] when the meeting is at 4am, your memory gets selective [07:42] so.. is there a log to speak of? [07:43] not really, nothing has happened [07:43] alright [07:43] well, i suspect tritium conveyed my message [07:43] I did [07:43] voice->irc :) [07:43] elmo and kamion have not been idle for too long [07:43] :) [07:44] greetings mako [07:44] long enough than they're are not about to wake up and too long that they will just come back [07:44] so... [07:44] if people have issues they want to bring up, we can do a sort of mock meeting [07:44] although we can't vote [07:44] since it would be the mako council then [07:44] which, as much as i would like, seems a bit off :) [07:45] and we'll reschedule for sometime in the next few days [07:45] for one thing, bob2 is not here to discuss ops for #ubuntu [07:45] mako: issues, shure I have :-) [07:45] so, are most people interested in the IRC stuff? [07:45] the #ubuntu operator stuff [07:45] mako: i'm here for the free sandwiches. oh, and membership ,-) [07:45] (which obviously is off the cards this morning) [07:45] diamond: i was just about to cook something [07:46] membership and irc === coastGNU would like to discuss the loco topic.. [07:47] who is here for membership? [07:47] mako, I, for one [07:47] me too [07:47] and me === siretart too === diamond raises a paw [07:47] mako: if you look at the agenda, there should be like 20 of us here for membership ;) [07:48] mako: sent you an sms (apologies if you got it more than once) [07:48] alright.. well i can go through the list of candidates and give you my impressions on the wiki pages [07:48] schweeb: 10 of them are here :-) [07:48] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda [07:48] it's all not-binding but if there is still to do, best to know before the real meeting [07:48] mako: if you got it at all... [07:49] mako: ah. that would be helpful, cheers. [07:49] alright [07:49] MartinEricRacine ? [07:49] Hiweed? [07:50] (both were on older agendas and were asked to fill out their wik pages) [07:50] schweeb: next, yes? [07:50] should be removed from the agenda, if they REALLY mean it, they can add themselves back to it... same should go for MaintainerCandidates (*mess*) [07:50] mako: yep [07:50] dholbach: i tend to agree [07:51] dholbach: ogra did some work on that. i thin kthe ball is in my court now [07:51] they will understand its no offense [07:51] schweeb: cool, you're doing motu stuff, and another detroit loco guy? [07:51] yep, done a few packages, got gsf-sharp added as NEW [07:51] detroit is ubuntu central [07:52] yep [07:52] dholbach: he worked with you? [07:52] yes, he did good work [07:52] schweeb: cool, i don't forsee any controversy :) [07:53] alrighty then [07:53] :) [07:53] schweeb: thanks for you work dude :) [07:53] yw [07:53] :) [07:53] ReinhardTartler? [07:53] :-) [07:53] siretart: ping [07:54] looks like you have a ton of motu packages [07:54] ah yes [07:54] I'm there, im here :) [07:54] yep, he's quite active in MOTU [07:54] yes, the list are the packages I had a look at and fixed the FTBFSes [07:55] mostly [07:55] wow, sounds good [07:55] siretart: nice wiki page also :) [07:55] makes your work on the project very clear [07:55] mako: thanks :) [07:55] siretart: cool, i don't forsee membership being controversial :) [07:55] hooray! :) [07:56] siretart: don't get too excited.. it's not official yet ;) [07:56] ThomasHood [07:56] ? [07:56] he fled [07:56] went to bed [07:56] jdthood of Debian fame, shouldn't have an issues becoming a member [07:56] any^ [07:57] i know thomas from debian [07:57] yep, his ALSA work speaks for itself === ajmitch_ supports schweeb for pres^Wmembership [07:57] LorenzoHernandezGarciaHierro ? [07:57] trulux - working on SELinux & other stuff [07:57] ajmitch_: lol [07:58] he is the one posting Hardened Ubuntu messages to the -devel list [07:58] he's done some good contributions for selinux that will hopefully get pushed for breezy - also libssp [07:58] right, i see he seems to be most of the energy behind hardened ubuntu [07:58] and debian for that matter [07:58] yep [07:58] do we know his nick? [07:58] trulux [07:59] that's trulux? [07:59] yes [07:59] ahh, ok [07:59] i know him [07:59] :) [07:59] i irc with him all the time :) [07:59] killer! [07:59] alright, we canm deal with that when he resurfaces [07:59] trulux is quite bright. I chat with him often [07:59] great [08:00] i'm mostly wanting to talk to the people who *are* here [08:00] meh, i irc with batman. he'd kick both your asses. ors... [08:00] to make a list of that [08:00] StephenShirley [08:00] ? [08:00] that's diamond [08:00] mako: yo [08:00] diamond: you are here [08:00] hot motu action, no? [08:00] he's a ROCKing MOTU candidate as well [08:01] mako: as best as i could in time for the release. i plan on being slightly saner in future, pick some packages, maintain them. etc [08:01] plenty of MOTU candidates around [08:01] ajmitch_: definitely, it's great to see [08:01] diamond: cool, well thanks for the late release push.. it's extremely appreciated [08:01] mako: thanks for the release -) === mako will take full credit for that ;) [08:02] lol [08:02] diamond: what other stuff are you interested in doing? [08:02] mako: i'm a c and python guy. i'm happy maintaining or devel, whatever needs to be done really [08:03] diamond: killer.. i guess you'll find your niche with time :) but thanks for helping out in general :) [08:03] diamond: python? I have something you may be able to help with :) [08:03] AlessioFattorini ? [08:03] Alessio ? [08:04] schweeb: i'm happy to help if i can [08:04] i certainly know alessio from his work on the italian loco [08:04] Alessio has been idle for an hour [08:04] I think he went to bed. [08:04] alright.. well.. i'll mark down that he showed up [08:05] diamond: Xen userspace tools... I was working on packaging them, but dropped cause of proximity to release... according to fabbione they may not work with python2.4, so may need some python reworkage [08:05] i'm already familiar with his work [08:05] he away message translates to "I am sleeping" :) === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:05] Simone Gotti ? [08:05] motaboy, brought some KDE love in === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:05] worked with him and his packages weren't bad at all === ups [~ups@203.200.160.36] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:05] schweeb: i'm not an expert, but that sounds very interesting [08:05] does anyone know simone's nick? [08:05] motaboy hasn't been online in 7 hours [08:06] motaboy, mako [08:06] right, i need a couple hourss sleep before i start work. nightol. [08:06] dredg: thanks for showing up [08:06] night, dredg [08:06] sleep tight, dredg [08:06] night, dredg [08:06] JohnDong ? [08:06] cheers folks. [08:07] yea, I'm actually tired at 2am for once, amazing [08:07] jdong... [08:07] spends 4 hours/day on the forums [08:07] heh [08:07] wow [08:07]