[12:01] tseng: argh, git. you noticed my promise to perlify your nowplaying script [12:01] now i'll have to do it :-/ [12:01] dredg: what's wrong with python? [12:02] dredg: caught you! [12:02] heh [12:02] i prefer perl? i know perl already? i don't want to half learn another language and produce even tattier looking things? [12:03] and most importantly, perl is ideally suited to my brain. python looks far too logical and sane [12:03] yeah, that is true [12:04] tseng: i cry :c [12:04] tseng: nah, only kidding. useful script === herzi [~herzi@d006098.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:04] yeah i agree with your summaryh [12:05] echo "
" is the worst [12:05] but i do the same thing in php at times [12:05] when i need to expand a variable in with the html === dredg nodnods [12:05] echo "$value" [12:05] just did that today [12:05] 2 dimensional array :( [12:05] of snmpwalk output :( [12:06] ew [12:08] tseng: that said i'm a huge fan of being lazy :) [12:08] yeah dude [12:09] i think i wrote a function to do it [12:09] in bash [12:09] what would it look like in perl === koke [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] koke: you poor thing [12:14] koke: you want me to show howto login? [12:16] tseng: i'd also like muine-shell if it gave a decent return value [12:16] dredg: yeah [12:16] see my gross hacks around that [12:16] i saw [12:16] i whimpered [12:17] hahahah [12:17] # wow this is gross. muine-shell doesnt seem to return 1 on failure, however. [12:17] ps aux | grep mono | grep muine > /dev/null [12:17] if [ $? == "0" ] ; then [12:17] is_playing === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tseng] by ChanServ [12:17] HostingGeek: could you not come back in here please? [12:17] HostingGeek: as in ever. [12:19] what did i do? [12:19] you were an ass to a top contributor [12:20] beyond that, i could make you a list [12:20] tseng: i was being sicastic over his blog... [12:20] using caps, ignoring repeatedly requests not to use caps, badgering motus, being off topic, claiming other peoples work as your own, and generally being counterproductive [12:21] when most people are poking fun at someone, they are a) friends with them, b) use emoticons to show that they are joking [12:21] tseng: also i don't think he got what i said as he peered out to soon [12:21] get a clue === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+q *!*HostingGe@*.exetel.com.a] by tseng [12:21] when was the last time i used caps? [12:21] besides for a nick? [12:22] ugh stupid thing === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+q *!*HostingGe@*.exetel.com.a] by tseng [12:22] ... [12:22] tseng: any ubuntu conbiruder is my best friend [12:22] my client sucks, freenode doesnt support that [12:22] oh well, play nice [12:22] oh ok [12:22] tseng: mind does... [12:23] fabbione: for some reason mode +b is ending up +q [12:23] tseng: well as you are going to australia soon i might want to say its au not just a... [12:23] .au [12:23] tseng: because it is +q === HostingGeek wonders if anyone else besides me reads Planet Ubuntu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o tseng] by tseng [12:37] <\sh> HostingGeek: i'm reading [12:38] \sh: you saw koke comment... [12:38] <\sh> HostingGeek: posted when? [12:38] \sh: yestersay i think [12:39] <\sh> http://koke.amedias.org/2005/04/11/ill-be-there-upside-down/ ? [12:39] yes [12:40] <\sh> yes I read it..nothing new ;) === D-FENZ [~dfenz@220-253-93-90.QLD.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === desplesda [~desplesda@144.139.77.181] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] ogra: so what's the plan for universe maintenance for breezy? wait until the sync-from-sid deluge? [01:21] ajmitch, i think we'll make plans in UdU, we'll have to cope with the gcc4 transition for a hell of a lot of packages [01:21] yep [01:22] nothing as simple as the python transition, either [01:22] nope [01:23] UdU isn't too far away, thankfully [01:23] yep...thats intentional :) [01:24] yeah, I can't wait to get out of dunedin for a few days :) [01:24] i cant wait to see your side of the world ;) [01:24] will jdub be rigging up udutv! ? [01:24] hopefully [01:25] winner [01:25] almost definitely [01:25] i predict it will be a ratings smash [01:25] he brought it to lca [01:25] he did this in mataro too, but we had no access to the router, so there was no outbound connection [01:25] hrm, talking to him yesterday it's not likely we'll have the infrastructure for it [01:25] we shall see [01:25] thom, thats what i was fearing... [01:26] if we can just get it all recorded and push it later that would still rock [01:26] would be nice to have a livestream and irc discussion at the bof :) [01:26] i dunno, that could lead to some editing.... [01:27] being .au, it'd probably break the bank for internet traffic [01:32] oh crap [01:32] is there a CC meeting tonight? [01:33] apparantly [01:33] 0400 UTC they say [01:33] so midnight my time === schweeb put himself on the list for membership === zerokarmaleft [~zerokarma@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] good thing I decided not to go to the bar tonight! [01:35] still have more celebrating left in my system for gettin this new job, hehe [01:36] (recorded stream plus annodex would be sweet) [01:36] schweeb: congrats, where/what? [01:37] thom: contracting to DaimlerChrysler doing Solaris Backup Admin [01:37] so, a lot of perl coding and dealing with SANs and tape backup systems when they fail [01:38] I'll be making a lot more $$$ than someone my age should be making ;) === schweeb is pretty hyped [01:39] schweeb: well, commiserations on the perl thing, but otherwise, nice [01:39] ;-) [01:39] <3 perl [01:40] i realised the other day i've entirely forgotten all the perl i used to knpw [01:40] you a python convert? [01:40] yep [01:41] the python I've seen makes no sense to me, so I haven't even bothered trying to learn it [01:41] schweeb: yeah, probably a lot more than I'm getting doign php coding :) [01:41] schweeb, beware, if you once started you cant stop anymore.... [01:42] heh [01:42] ajmitch_: undoubtedly [01:42] and eventually python will slowly replace all your perl knowledge [01:42] I quite enjoy perl [01:42] <\sh> ogra: quite true [01:42] i did too... [01:42] it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy [01:43] we all know that python is the one true way, there is no other [01:43] yeah [01:43] (cue other fanboy reponses) ;) [01:43] ajmitch_: luckily I never got roped into PHP at my existing job... I did all the admin type stuff [01:43] which worked out great, cause my resume is uber padded [01:43] I'm doing mainly php, only a little bit of admin [01:44] I like a good mix of coding and admin [01:44] the one part of my current job I despise is helpdesk [01:44] ah [01:45] hello, [01:45] for good reasons [01:45] hi, zorglub [01:45] the UniverseCandidates wikipage says that the package must build on warty main. [01:45] Is it that it hasn't been updated ? [01:45] heh [01:45] seems like [01:45] I would imagine so. [01:46] but I guess it's for the currently unstable distrib, right ? [01:46] one would assume so [01:46] so not hoary anymore [01:46] ok, just wanted to be sure :) === schweeb ponders how many Universe packages would ACTUALLY build on warty main right now from hoary [01:46] we dont really use the candidates page [01:46] now that we have motutodo [01:46] build without relying on other crack that is dragged in from elsewhere :) [01:46] candidates was for stuff we wanted the canonical guys to do [01:46] pre-motu [01:46] schweeb: lots would fail [01:46] tseng, nope [01:46] ogra, nope [01:47] ajmitch_: I'd guess like 70% or higher would fail [01:47] tseng, it was also propagated to the ML for a long time during MOTU [01:47] I thought the candidates page was originally intended for users to submit packages themselves? [01:47] dholbach and i direct everyone to MOTUTodo [01:48] that is where those packages are put now [01:48] tseng, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTURecruitment [01:48] <\sh> grmpf [01:48] and now UniverseCandidates is used for package suggestions [01:48] <\sh> 14 hours of ming compile only because of lintian [01:48] its a popular page we shouldnt loose [01:48] ok, I guess the MOTUNewPackages is for when you have packages you think are ready, then [01:48] any of you guys gonna be around for the CC meeting? feel like saying "schweeb rocks" :) [01:48] (last edited 22 hours ago ) [01:49] <\sh> ogra: i think my laptop is melting [01:49] <\sh> can call the hp service again ;) [01:49] schweeb: I may be around - I'll be working in the lab @ uni when the meeting starts [01:50] tseng, its been propagated for a long time now, if you guys want to redirect to MOTUTodo, please do it there too [01:50] ajmitch_: you a member (I can never keep track of all of them) [01:50] of course he is [01:51] I assumed so :) [01:51] I know he's DD [01:52] schweeb: I'm a MOTU [01:52] (and DD, but that doesn't matter much here) [01:52] hum, another question. Which page is the proper one to ask for an update of a package (resynch on sid, in my case) [01:53] (well, for when breezy is open) [01:53] considering the DD process is more stringent than MOTU, it's not exactly a bad thing to have if you wanna be MOTU :) [01:53] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync [01:53] zorglub, universe will get synced completely once.... [01:54] zorglub: when breezy opens, it'll sync again [01:54] oh ok [01:54] breezy is teh open [01:54] and we'll have a mad job of merging patches, etc of things we've changed [01:54] zorglub, so MOTUToSync isnt really interesting at this stage [01:54] 'open', but not syncing yet :) [01:55] I couldn't find much doc on the universe processes [01:55] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU [01:55] everything below this page.... [01:56] you'll see a lot of links from there [01:56] yes, but it's mainly coordination stuff [01:56] most from our resident WikiMaster [01:57] zorglub, there is the MOTUNewPackagesPolicy describiung the process for all NEW packages we include for example.... [01:58] or MOTUPackages for packages that loosly have a own maintainer [01:58] ok [02:01] bbl [02:07] ok, thanks for the pointers [02:07] 'night === dredg [niall@binky.blacknight.ie] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] did i miss the meeting? [02:34] or some such [02:35] tseng: midnight [02:35] uh [02:35] forget that, dude. [02:35] i need to go to philly tommorow === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] tseng: what for? [03:05] to get a passport [03:07] ouch, that'll be expensive to get one so soon [03:08] are you going to UdU or something, tseng? [03:10] yep :) === ajmitch thankfully got his passport for lca'04 [03:12] <\sh> hmm [03:12] <\sh> i'm getting crazy [03:14] <\sh> shared lib package: libfoo_major.minor & libfoo-dev_major.minor ... lintian is bugging me: no shlibs control file usr/lib/libfoo.so.major.minor but i have a shlibs.local file === kurros [~wade@92-14.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] <\sh> finally i have it === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] *cough* first breezy universe upload to me! ;-) (it'll move to main soon) [03:31] breezy's open [03:31] ? [03:31] what'd you upload? [03:31] schweeb: yes [03:31] readahead-list [03:31] great [03:31] it's the new readahead package, just needs to be seeded into main === schweeb changes his news reader to breezy-changes [03:32] ugh [03:32] it's not in gmane yet [03:32] :-/ [03:32] it's a good excuse for me to use my gmail account [03:35] I have a gmail account I've used only like 3 times, heh [03:36] yes! [03:36] breezy power! [03:36] is that like desert power in dune? :p [03:36] schweeb: I hadn't used mine until I signed up to track the users & changes lists [03:37] i have a friend who named his livejournal "desrtpower" after me :) [03:37] ajmitch: I <3 gmane [03:37] schweeb: yeah, it is great [03:38] I used to subscribe to LKML [03:38] *shudder* [03:38] ouch === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] I neglected to check that folder for 3 months... [03:38] big mistake. [03:39] ow. [03:39] run out of disk space? [03:39] nah [03:39] I got a decent bit of space on my colo [03:39] so uh [03:39] sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list [03:39] :%s/hoary/breezy/ [03:39] sudo apt-get update [03:39] this isn't sufficient :) [03:40] although, i do have a spiffy new version if lame [04:06] oh jeez. [04:06] breezy's open? [04:06] better get my "oh sh*t" handle ready [04:06] yup, game on [04:07] mdz' announcing to -devel shortly [04:07] (it's already announced) [04:07] ah, just got here === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717087pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sz_ [~sz@p5089DA77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] hi sz_ :) [04:19] ;o)) [04:19] ogra: pulling an allnighter? === ogra gives sz a big *smack* [04:19] dredg, she sits aside ;) [04:20] i see :) [04:20] ok, pbuilder updated, time to start the updates! [04:21] great :) [04:22] reminds me to update my pbuilder.. [04:22] breezy's open?!? [04:22] yes. [04:23] yay [04:23] better prep my script to autoload $package's Debian BTS page [04:24] ajmitch_!! [04:24] I have a feeling I'm going to be applying a lot of patches to make things compile with gcc-4.0 [04:24] hi bddebian [04:24] crimsun: friad so [04:25] mmm sushi [04:25] blech [04:25] bddebian: what's up? [04:26] Nada. You? === sushi [~sz@p5089DA77.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] [04:26] do i dare say something about breezy on #ubuntu? [04:26] no [04:26] just to tease people of course, since there is nothing new in it :) [04:27] teasing fanboys is a dangerous practise [04:27] don't say breezy, or you'll get the ricers all asking questions about it :p [04:27] HostingGeek might attack me :/ [04:27] let the official announcement reach them first. [04:27] I told him I wasn't working on my menu editor anymore and he filled my scrollback with "NOOOO..." :P [04:28] really? [04:28] yeah, it was scary [04:28] fuck [04:28] ? [04:29] that's just not right [04:29] I'm still working on it, if that's what you mean. :) [04:29] oh no, the hg reaction [04:29] ah, yeah [04:29] my scrollback is only about two screens though [04:29] even still [04:30] here's hoping that he doesn't ever breed === susus [~sz@p5089DA77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@216.017.dsl.nsw.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] dredg: now, be nice :) [04:48] why can't I fast forward 65 minutes... I just want the damn CC meeting to start :p [04:48] :) [04:48] staying up late? [04:49] ajmitch: sorry, it's 4am, i'm tired, cranky and currently having a minor crisis in my head :) [04:51] ajmitch_: it'll be midnight here [04:51] but, I was a bit hung over all day today [04:55] aha :) [05:01] DIE SITH SCUM! [05:03] someone watchin some star wars? === tritium [~mrimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] heh, I just edited MOTU to add tritium's nick, too [05:05] what a wacky sense of timing [05:06] Hey crimsun :) I just got the email about the change. Thanks! [05:08] any NEW packages we agreed could be uploaded that haven't been (and didn't make it into Hoary due to time)? [05:09] crimsun, asking me? [05:09] well, everyone, really. [05:09] going to look at the relevant wiki pages, need to update MOTUXfce first [05:09] schweeb: Actually playing KotOR II :-) [05:10] I didn't think we could add new packages at this point. If that's the case, I can try to fix up the problems with my packages. [05:10] I figured I'd plan on getting them into Breezy [05:11] tritium: can't blame you since you just joined. Breezy's now open. [05:11] oh, okay. So that would be the plan then... [05:12] crimsun, thanks for the info ;) [05:12] crimsun, no rush, we'll see a big automated sync that might change all dependencys.... [05:12] np, though the honours aren't mine :) [05:12] ogra: yep, I'm holding off touching packages that will be hit by the sync [05:13] ogra, that sure was a nice surprise for me this afternoon [05:14] :) [05:14] :-) [05:40] morning [05:41] moin [05:42] morning [05:43] moin moin [05:47] and to make sure i wake up at 9: at> muine-shell -l /home/niall/loud.m3u [05:48] 12 mins to CC [05:48] yay === dholbach [~daniel@p54A6535E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] dholbach!!!! [05:50] morning [05:50] hey schweeb :-) [05:50] Hello dholbach :) [05:50] hey dholbach! [05:50] moin dholbach [05:51] dholbach: I got that job [05:51] woohoo! PARTY! [05:51] schweeb: ROCKING! [05:51] you'll be glad to see you can upload again :) [05:51] Congrats schweeb :) [05:51] :D [05:51] so.. will diamond arrive of his own accord or will i have to phone him? :) === dholbach takes schweeb to the dance floor and does the crazy dance... again [05:51] schweeb: congratulations! :) [05:51] schweeb, nice :) [05:52] makin enough money that I'll be puttin school on pause for a while ;) [05:52] alright, time for me to go off & do some paid work [05:52] might reconnect from the lab :) [05:52] did my eyes deceive me or did breezy open? [05:53] your eyes are fine [05:53] yes. [05:53] it's open. [05:53] ROCK === dholbach starts uploading ;-) === diamond_ [~diamond@194.46.72.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] hey diamond_ [05:53] dholbach: hey. what a horrible time of the morning -) [05:53] diamond_: and with 1.5mins before i started plaguing your phone [05:53] close [05:53] dredg: i so win [05:53] diamond_: did dredg call you? [05:54] dholbach: nah, i managed to drag myself here just in time to avoid that [05:54] even better :-) === diamond_ pokes nickserv to claim his nick back === dredg is veh veh tired [05:54] dredg: did you sleep? [05:54] nope [05:54] argl [05:55] dredg: aieee [05:55] diamond_: what are those sleeping tablets you mentioned before? [05:55] so you guys are all set on CommunityCouncilAgenda? [05:55] dredg: noctura [05:56] dholbach, I added myself [05:56] diamond_: must get some tomorrow [05:56] I'm on [05:56] say, where do you see that breezy repos opened? [05:56] diamond_: and `/nickserv ghost' is probably what you want [05:56] tritium: u-d mail list [05:56] ah, of course... [05:56] what about AdamIsrael? StoneTable, you're here? [05:56] dredg: 'set kill' is actually more use. don't want to have to do this manually everytime [05:56] diamond_: and you should probably set nick enforcement if the nickserv allows it [05:57] dholbach: yup [05:57] dredg: *nod* [05:57] dholbach: he went ot bed actually [05:57] lemme see if I can wake him up [05:57] tritium: mail on ubuntu-devel [05:57] dholbach, si, gracias :) === dholbach just subscribed to breezy-changes [05:58] diamond_: actually, i've been compiling sunbird and reading 'the confusion' [05:58] dholbach: yea, think he's definitely in bed :- [05:58] er :-/ [05:58] mostly the latter, though the former is a highly involved process that i couldn't bring myself to watch [05:58] ors :) [05:59] dredg: did you read those 2 files i gave you? "i'll probably cringe when i read this later" and "i am legend"? [05:59] diamond: nope. i am lazy. plus i forgot [05:59] dredg: hah. you suck -) [05:59] i'm tending to forget a lot lately [06:00] i blame lack of sleep [06:00] right. i should join ubuntu-meeting, right? [06:00] yer [06:00] my clock says midnight! [06:01] my clock says 0500. i cry :( [06:01] schweeb: my body says die -) [06:01] and you all have good wiki pages, rock [06:01] diamond: hehe [06:02] hmm. i wonder if i die from tiredness could i get membership post-humously -) [06:03] diamond: no, but your corpse might. [06:03] dredg: that'd do just fine [06:03] diamond: the worms might disagree [06:04] dredg: i might disagree with them too ,-) [06:04] diamond: you'd be dead though, so you most likely wouldn't [06:04] dredg: i mean digestively [06:05] diamond: quite true [06:06] diamond: you see mail no.2 i sent to meteor? [06:06] dredg: no [06:07] diamond: http://niall.evil.ie/random/meteor2.txt [06:07] dredg: hah. nice === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === D-FENZ [~dfenz@220-253-93-90.QLD.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.121.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pe7er [~losof@pD95EBAA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.134.11] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pvh [~pvh@S010600121729b5b8.gv.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === zerokarmaleft [~zerokarma@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] night all [08:26] Good night crimsun :) [08:26] bye crimsun [08:27] night fellas [08:27] good night schweeb [08:27] nite all [08:27]