[12:01] <dredg> tseng: argh, git. you noticed my promise to perlify your nowplaying script
[12:01] <dredg> now i'll have to do it :-/
[12:01] <ajmitch_> dredg: what's wrong with python?
[12:02] <tseng> dredg: caught you!
[12:02] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:02] <dredg> i prefer perl? i know perl already? i don't want to half learn another language and produce even tattier looking things?
[12:03] <dredg> and most importantly, perl is ideally suited to my brain. python looks far too logical and sane
[12:03] <ajmitch_> yeah, that is true
[12:04] <dredg> tseng: i cry :c
[12:04] <dredg> tseng: nah, only kidding. useful script
[12:04] <tseng> yeah i agree with your summaryh
[12:05] <tseng> echo "<br>" is the worst
[12:05] <tseng> but i do the same thing in php at times
[12:05] <tseng> when i need to expand a variable in with the html
[12:05] <tseng> echo "<td>$value</td>"
[12:05] <tseng> just did that today
[12:05] <tseng> 2 dimensional array :(
[12:05] <tseng> of snmpwalk output :(
[12:06] <dredg> ew
[12:08] <dredg> tseng: that said i'm a huge fan of being lazy :)
[12:08] <tseng> yeah dude
[12:09] <tseng> i think i wrote a function to do it
[12:09] <tseng> in bash
[12:09] <tseng> what would it look like in perl
[12:14] <HostingGeek> koke: you poor thing
[12:14] <HostingGeek> koke: you want me to show howto login?
[12:16] <dredg> tseng: i'd also like muine-shell if it gave a decent return value
[12:16] <tseng> dredg: yeah
[12:16] <tseng> see my gross hacks around that
[12:16] <dredg> i saw
[12:16] <dredg> i whimpered
[12:17] <tseng> hahahah
[12:17] <tseng> # wow this is gross. muine-shell doesnt seem to return 1 on failure, however.
[12:17] <tseng> ps aux | grep mono | grep muine > /dev/null
[12:17] <tseng> if [ $?  == "0" ] ; then
[12:17] <tseng>     is_playing
[12:17] <tseng> HostingGeek: could you not come back in here please?
[12:17] <tseng> HostingGeek: as in ever.
[12:19] <HostingGeek> what did i do?
[12:19] <tseng> you were an ass to a top contributor
[12:20] <tseng> beyond that, i could make you a list
[12:20] <HostingGeek> tseng: i was being sicastic over his blog...
[12:20] <tseng> using caps, ignoring repeatedly requests not to use caps, badgering motus, being off topic, claiming other peoples work as your own, and generally being counterproductive
[12:21] <tseng> when most people are poking fun at someone, they are a) friends with them, b) use emoticons to show that they are joking
[12:21] <HostingGeek> tseng: also i don't think he got what i said as he peered out to soon
[12:21] <tseng> get a clue
[12:21] <HostingGeek> when was the last time i used caps?
[12:21] <HostingGeek> besides for a nick?
[12:22] <tseng> ugh stupid thing
[12:22] <tseng> ...
[12:22] <HostingGeek> tseng: any ubuntu conbiruder is my best friend
[12:22] <tseng> my client sucks, freenode doesnt support that
[12:22] <tseng> oh well, play nice
[12:22] <HostingGeek> oh ok
[12:22] <fabbione> tseng: mind does...
[12:23] <tseng> fabbione: for some reason mode +b is ending up +q
[12:23] <HostingGeek> tseng: well as you are going to australia soon i might want to say its au not just a...
[12:23] <tseng> .au
[12:23] <HostingGeek> tseng: because it is +q
[12:37] <\sh> HostingGeek: i'm reading
[12:38] <HostingGeek> \sh: you saw koke comment...
[12:38] <\sh> HostingGeek: posted when?
[12:38] <HostingGeek> \sh: yestersay i think
[12:39] <\sh> http://koke.amedias.org/2005/04/11/ill-be-there-upside-down/ ?
[12:39] <HostingGeek> yes
[12:40] <\sh> yes I read it..nothing new ;)
[01:20] <ajmitch_> ogra: so what's the plan for universe maintenance for breezy? wait until the sync-from-sid deluge?
[01:21] <ogra> ajmitch, i think we'll make plans in UdU, we'll have to cope with the gcc4 transition for a hell of a lot of packages
[01:21] <ajmitch_> yep
[01:22] <ajmitch_> nothing as simple as the python transition, either
[01:22] <ogra> nope
[01:23] <ajmitch_> UdU isn't too far away, thankfully
[01:23] <ogra> yep...thats intentional :)
[01:24] <ajmitch_> yeah, I can't wait to get out of dunedin for a few days :)
[01:24] <ogra> i cant wait to see your side of the world ;)
[01:24] <dredg> will jdub be rigging up udutv! ?
[01:24] <ogra> hopefully
[01:25] <dredg> winner
[01:25] <schweeb> almost definitely
[01:25] <dredg> i predict it will be a ratings smash
[01:25] <schweeb> he brought it to lca
[01:25] <ogra> he did this in mataro too, but we had no access to the router, so there was no outbound connection
[01:25] <thom> hrm, talking to him yesterday it's not likely we'll have the infrastructure for it
[01:25] <thom> we shall see
[01:25] <ogra> thom, thats what i was fearing...
[01:26] <thom> if we can just get it all recorded and push it later that would still rock
[01:26] <ogra> would be nice to have a livestream and irc discussion at the bof :)
[01:26] <dredg> i dunno, that could lead to some editing....
[01:27] <ajmitch_> being .au, it'd probably break the bank for internet traffic
[01:32] <schweeb> oh crap
[01:32] <schweeb> is there a CC meeting tonight?
[01:33] <ajmitch_> apparantly
[01:33] <ajmitch_> 0400 UTC they say
[01:33] <schweeb> so midnight my time
[01:35] <schweeb> good thing I decided not to go to the bar tonight!
[01:35] <schweeb> still have more celebrating left in my system for gettin this new job, hehe
[01:36] <thom> (recorded stream plus annodex would be sweet)
[01:36] <thom> schweeb: congrats, where/what?
[01:37] <schweeb> thom: contracting to DaimlerChrysler doing Solaris Backup Admin
[01:37] <schweeb> so, a lot of perl coding and dealing with SANs and tape backup systems when they fail
[01:38] <schweeb> I'll be making a lot more $$$ than someone my age should be making ;)
[01:39] <thom> schweeb: well, commiserations on the perl thing, but otherwise, nice
[01:39] <thom> ;-)
[01:39] <schweeb> <3 perl
[01:40] <thom> i realised the other day i've entirely forgotten all the perl i used to knpw
[01:40] <schweeb> you a python convert?
[01:40] <thom> yep
[01:41] <schweeb> the python I've seen makes no sense to me, so I haven't even bothered trying to learn it
[01:41] <ajmitch_> schweeb: yeah, probably a lot more than I'm getting doign php coding :)
[01:41] <ogra> schweeb, beware, if you once started you cant stop anymore....
[01:42] <schweeb> heh
[01:42] <schweeb> ajmitch_: undoubtedly
[01:42] <ogra> and eventually python will slowly replace all your perl knowledge
[01:42] <schweeb> I quite enjoy perl
[01:42] <\sh> ogra: quite true
[01:42] <ogra> i did too...
[01:42] <schweeb> it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy
[01:43] <ajmitch_> we all know that python is the one true way, there is no other
[01:43] <ogra> yeah
[01:43] <ajmitch_> (cue other fanboy reponses) ;)
[01:43] <schweeb> ajmitch_: luckily I never got roped into PHP at my existing job... I did all the admin type stuff
[01:43] <schweeb> which worked out great, cause my resume is uber padded
[01:43] <ajmitch_> I'm doing mainly php, only a little bit of admin
[01:44] <schweeb> I like a good mix of coding and admin
[01:44] <schweeb> the one part of my current job I despise is helpdesk
[01:44] <ajmitch_> ah
[01:45] <zorglub> hello,
[01:45] <ajmitch_> for good reasons
[01:45] <schweeb> hi, zorglub
[01:45] <zorglub> the UniverseCandidates wikipage says that the package must build on warty main.
[01:45] <zorglub> Is it that it hasn't been updated ?
[01:45] <ogra> heh
[01:45] <ogra> seems like
[01:45] <schweeb> I would imagine so.
[01:46] <zorglub> but I guess it's for the currently unstable distrib, right ?
[01:46] <ajmitch_> one would assume so
[01:46] <zorglub> so not hoary anymore
[01:46] <zorglub> ok, just wanted to be sure :)
[01:46] <tseng> we dont really use the candidates page
[01:46] <tseng> now that we have motutodo
[01:46] <ajmitch_> build without relying on other crack that is dragged in from elsewhere :)
[01:46] <tseng> candidates was for stuff we wanted the canonical guys to do
[01:46] <tseng> pre-motu
[01:46] <ajmitch_> schweeb: lots would fail
[01:46] <ogra> tseng, nope
[01:46] <tseng> ogra, nope
[01:47] <schweeb> ajmitch_: I'd guess like 70% or higher would fail
[01:47] <ogra> tseng, it was also propagated to the ML for a long time during MOTU
[01:47] <ajmitch_> I thought the candidates page was originally intended for users to submit packages themselves?
[01:47] <tseng> dholbach and i direct everyone to MOTUTodo
[01:48] <ajmitch_> that is where those packages are put now
[01:48] <ogra> tseng, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTURecruitment
[01:48] <\sh> grmpf
[01:48] <ajmitch_> and now UniverseCandidates is used for package suggestions
[01:48] <\sh> 14 hours of ming compile only because of lintian
[01:48] <ogra> its a popular page we shouldnt loose
[01:48] <zorglub> ok, I guess the MOTUNewPackages is for when you have packages you think are ready, then
[01:48] <schweeb> any of you guys gonna be around for the CC meeting?  feel like saying "schweeb rocks" :)
[01:48] <ogra> (last edited 22 hours ago )
[01:49] <\sh> ogra: i think my laptop is melting
[01:49] <\sh> can call the hp service again ;)
[01:49] <ajmitch_> schweeb: I may be around - I'll be working in the lab @ uni when the meeting starts
[01:50] <ogra> tseng, its been propagated for a long time now, if you guys want to redirect to MOTUTodo, please do it there too
[01:50] <schweeb> ajmitch_: you a member (I can never keep track of all of them)
[01:50] <tseng> of course he is
[01:51] <schweeb> I assumed so :)
[01:51] <schweeb> I know he's DD
[01:52] <ajmitch_> schweeb: I'm a MOTU
[01:52] <ajmitch_> (and DD, but that doesn't matter much here)
[01:52] <zorglub> hum, another question. Which page is the proper one to ask for an update of a package (resynch on sid, in my case)
[01:53] <zorglub> (well, for when breezy is open)
[01:53] <schweeb> considering the DD process is more stringent than MOTU, it's not exactly a bad thing to have if you wanna be MOTU :)
[01:53] <ajmitch_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync
[01:53] <ogra> zorglub, universe will get synced completely once....
[01:54] <ajmitch_> zorglub: when breezy opens, it'll sync again
[01:54] <zorglub> oh ok
[01:54] <thom> breezy is teh open
[01:54] <ajmitch_> and we'll have a mad job of merging patches, etc of things we've changed
[01:54] <ogra> zorglub, so MOTUToSync isnt really interesting at this stage
[01:54] <ajmitch_> 'open', but not syncing yet :)
[01:55] <zorglub> I couldn't find much doc on the universe processes
[01:55] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[01:55] <ogra> everything below this page....
[01:56] <ajmitch_> you'll see a lot of links from there
[01:56] <zorglub> yes, but it's mainly coordination stuff
[01:56] <ajmitch_> most from our resident WikiMaster
[01:57] <ogra> zorglub, there is the MOTUNewPackagesPolicy describiung the process for all NEW packages we include for example....
[01:58] <ogra> or MOTUPackages for packages that loosly have a own maintainer
[01:58] <zorglub> ok
[02:01] <ajmitch_> bbl
[02:07] <zorglub> ok, thanks for the pointers
[02:07] <zorglub> 'night
[02:34] <tseng> did i miss the meeting?
[02:34] <tseng> or some such
[02:35] <schweeb> tseng: midnight
[02:35] <tseng> uh
[02:35] <tseng> forget that, dude.
[02:35] <tseng> i need to go to philly tommorow
[03:04] <schweeb> tseng: what for?
[03:05] <tseng> to get a passport
[03:07] <ajmitch> ouch, that'll be expensive to get one so soon
[03:08] <schweeb> are you going to UdU or something, tseng?
[03:10] <ajmitch> yep :)
[03:12] <\sh> hmm
[03:12] <\sh> i'm getting crazy
[03:14] <\sh> shared lib package: libfoo_major.minor & libfoo-dev_major.minor ... lintian is bugging me: no shlibs control file usr/lib/libfoo.so.major.minor but i have a shlibs.local file
[03:21] <\sh> finally i have it
[03:30] <thom> *cough* first breezy universe upload to me! ;-) (it'll move to main soon)
[03:31] <schweeb> breezy's open
[03:31] <schweeb> ?
[03:31] <schweeb> what'd you upload?
[03:31] <thom> schweeb: yes
[03:31] <thom> readahead-list
[03:31] <ajmitch> great
[03:31] <thom> it's the new readahead package, just needs to be seeded into main
[03:32] <schweeb> ugh
[03:32] <schweeb> it's not in gmane yet
[03:32] <schweeb> :-/
[03:32] <ajmitch> it's a good excuse for me to use my gmail account
[03:35] <schweeb> I have a gmail account I've used only like 3 times, heh
[03:36] <desrt> yes!
[03:36] <desrt> breezy power!
[03:36] <schweeb> is that like desert power in dune? :p
[03:36] <ajmitch> schweeb: I hadn't used mine until I signed up to track the users & changes lists
[03:37] <desrt> i have a friend who named his livejournal "desrtpower" after me :)
[03:37] <schweeb> ajmitch: I <3 gmane
[03:37] <ajmitch> schweeb: yeah, it is great
[03:38] <schweeb> I used to subscribe to LKML
[03:38] <schweeb> *shudder*
[03:38] <ajmitch> ouch
[03:38] <schweeb> I neglected to check that folder for 3 months...
[03:38] <schweeb> big mistake.
[03:39] <desrt> ow.
[03:39] <desrt> run out of disk space?
[03:39] <schweeb> nah
[03:39] <schweeb> I got a decent bit of space on my colo
[03:39] <desrt> so uh
[03:39] <desrt> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:39] <desrt> :%s/hoary/breezy/
[03:39] <desrt> sudo apt-get update
[03:39] <desrt> this isn't sufficient :)
[03:40] <desrt> although, i do have a spiffy new version if lame
[04:06] <crimsun> oh jeez.
[04:06] <crimsun> breezy's open?
[04:06] <crimsun> better get my "oh sh*t" handle ready
[04:06] <thom> yup, game on
[04:07] <thom> mdz' announcing to -devel shortly
[04:07] <crimsun> (it's already announced)
[04:07] <thom> ah, just got here
[04:19] <ogra> hi sz_ :)
[04:19] <sz_> ;o))
[04:19] <dredg> ogra: pulling an allnighter?
[04:19] <ogra> dredg, she sits aside ;)
[04:20] <dredg> i see :)
[04:20] <crimsun> ok, pbuilder updated, time to start the updates!
[04:21] <ajmitch_> great :)
[04:22] <ajmitch_> reminds me to update my pbuilder..
[04:22] <Amaranth> breezy's open?!?
[04:22] <crimsun> yes.
[04:23] <Amaranth> yay
[04:23] <crimsun> better prep my script to autoload $package's Debian BTS page
[04:24] <bddebian> ajmitch_!!
[04:24] <crimsun> I have a feeling I'm going to be applying a lot of patches to make things compile with gcc-4.0
[04:24] <ajmitch_> hi bddebian
[04:24] <thom> crimsun: friad so
[04:25] <dredg> mmm sushi
[04:25] <bddebian> blech
[04:25] <ajmitch_> bddebian: what's up?
[04:26] <bddebian> Nada.  You?
[04:26] <Amaranth> do i dare say something about breezy on #ubuntu?
[04:26] <schweeb> no
[04:26] <Amaranth> just to tease people of course, since there is nothing new in it :)
[04:27] <dredg> teasing fanboys is a dangerous practise
[04:27] <schweeb> don't say breezy, or you'll get the ricers all asking questions about it :p
[04:27] <Amaranth> HostingGeek might attack me :/
[04:27] <crimsun> let the official announcement reach them first.
[04:27] <Amaranth> I told him I wasn't working on my menu editor anymore and he filled my scrollback with "NOOOO..." :P
[04:28] <dredg> really?
[04:28] <Amaranth> yeah, it was scary
[04:28] <dredg> fuck
[04:28] <Amaranth> ?
[04:29] <dredg> that's just not right
[04:29] <Amaranth> I'm still working on it, if that's what you mean. :)
[04:29] <dredg> oh no, the hg reaction
[04:29] <Amaranth> ah, yeah
[04:29] <Amaranth> my scrollback is only about two screens though
[04:29] <dredg> even still
[04:30] <dredg> here's hoping that he doesn't ever breed
[04:46] <ajmitch_> dredg: now, be nice :)
[04:48] <schweeb> why can't I fast forward 65 minutes... I just want the damn CC meeting to start :p
[04:48] <ajmitch_> :)
[04:48] <ajmitch_> staying up late?
[04:49] <dredg> ajmitch: sorry, it's 4am, i'm tired, cranky and currently having a minor crisis in my head :)
[04:51] <schweeb> ajmitch_: it'll be midnight here
[04:51] <schweeb> but, I was a bit hung over all day today
[04:55] <ajmitch_> aha :)
[05:01] <bddebian> DIE SITH SCUM!
[05:03] <schweeb> someone watchin some star wars?
[05:05] <crimsun> heh, I just edited MOTU to add tritium's nick, too
[05:05] <crimsun> what a wacky sense of timing
[05:06] <tritium> Hey crimsun :)  I just got the email about the change.  Thanks!
[05:08] <crimsun> any NEW packages we agreed could be uploaded that haven't been (and didn't make it into Hoary due to time)?
[05:09] <tritium> crimsun, asking me?
[05:09] <crimsun> well, everyone, really.
[05:09] <crimsun> going to look at the relevant wiki pages, need to update MOTUXfce first
[05:09] <bddebian> schweeb: Actually playing KotOR II :-)
[05:10] <tritium> I didn't think we could add new packages at this point.  If that's the case, I can try to fix up the problems with my packages.
[05:10] <tritium> I figured I'd plan on getting them into Breezy
[05:11] <crimsun> tritium: can't blame you since you just joined. Breezy's now open.
[05:11] <tritium> oh, okay.  So that would be the plan then...
[05:12] <tritium> crimsun, thanks for the info ;)
[05:12] <ogra> crimsun, no rush, we'll see a big automated sync that might change all dependencys....
[05:12] <crimsun> np, though the honours aren't mine :)
[05:12] <crimsun> ogra: yep, I'm holding off touching packages that will be hit by the sync
[05:13] <tritium> ogra, that sure was a nice surprise for me this afternoon
[05:14] <ogra> :)
[05:14] <tritium> :-)
[05:40] <siretart> morning
[05:41] <crimsun> moin
[05:42] <tritium> morning
[05:43] <bddebian> moin moin
[05:47] <dredg> and to make sure i wake up at 9: at> muine-shell -l /home/niall/loud.m3u
[05:48] <crimsun> 12 mins to CC
[05:48] <schweeb> yay
[05:50] <schweeb> dholbach!!!!
[05:50] <dholbach> morning
[05:50] <dholbach> hey schweeb :-)
[05:50] <tritium> Hello dholbach :)
[05:50] <ajmitch_> hey dholbach!
[05:50] <siretart> moin dholbach
[05:51] <schweeb> dholbach: I got that job
[05:51] <dholbach> woohoo! PARTY!
[05:51] <dholbach> schweeb: ROCKING!
[05:51] <ajmitch_> you'll be glad to see you can upload again :)
[05:51] <tritium> Congrats schweeb :)
[05:51] <schweeb> :D
[05:51] <dredg> so.. will diamond arrive of his own accord or will i have to phone him? :)
[05:51] <siretart> schweeb: congratulations! :)
[05:51] <ogra> schweeb, nice :)
[05:52] <schweeb> makin enough money that I'll be puttin school on pause for a while ;)
[05:52] <ajmitch_> alright, time for me to go off & do some paid work
[05:52] <ajmitch_> might reconnect from the lab :)
[05:52] <dholbach> did my eyes deceive me or did breezy open?
[05:53] <schweeb> your eyes are fine
[05:53] <dredg> yes.
[05:53] <crimsun> it's open.
[05:53] <dholbach> ROCK
[05:53] <dholbach> hey diamond_
[05:53] <diamond_> dholbach: hey. what a horrible time of the morning -)
[05:53] <dredg> diamond_: and with 1.5mins before i started plaguing your phone
[05:53] <dredg> close
[05:53] <diamond_> dredg: i so win
[05:53] <dholbach> diamond_: did dredg call you?
[05:54] <diamond_> dholbach: nah, i managed to drag myself here just in time to avoid that
[05:54] <dholbach> even better :-)
[05:54] <diamond_> dredg: did you sleep?
[05:54] <dredg> nope
[05:54] <dholbach> argl
[05:55] <diamond_> dredg: aieee
[05:55] <dredg> diamond_: what are those sleeping tablets you mentioned before?
[05:55] <dholbach> so you guys are all set on CommunityCouncilAgenda?
[05:55] <diamond_> dredg: noctura
[05:56] <tritium> dholbach, I added myself
[05:56] <dredg> diamond_: must get some tomorrow
[05:56] <schweeb> I'm on
[05:56] <tritium> say, where do you see that breezy repos opened?
[05:56] <dredg> diamond_: and `/nickserv ghost' is probably what you want
[05:56] <schweeb> tritium: u-d mail list
[05:56] <tritium> ah, of course...
[05:56] <dholbach> what about AdamIsrael? StoneTable, you're here?
[05:56] <diamond_> dredg: 'set kill' is actually more use. don't want to have to do this manually everytime
[05:56] <dredg> diamond_: and you should probably set nick enforcement if the nickserv allows it
[05:57] <diamond_> dholbach: yup
[05:57] <diamond_> dredg: *nod*
[05:57] <schweeb> dholbach: he went ot bed actually
[05:57] <schweeb> lemme see if I can wake him up
[05:57] <dholbach> tritium: mail on ubuntu-devel
[05:57] <tritium> dholbach, si, gracias :)
[05:58] <dredg> diamond_: actually, i've been compiling sunbird and reading 'the confusion'
[05:58] <schweeb> dholbach: yea, think he's definitely in bed :-
[05:58] <schweeb> er :-/
[05:58] <dredg> mostly the latter, though the former is a highly involved process that i couldn't bring myself to watch
[05:58] <dredg> ors :)
[05:59] <diamond> dredg: did you read those 2 files i gave you? "i'll probably cringe when i read this later" and "i am legend"?
[05:59] <dredg> diamond: nope. i am lazy. plus i forgot
[05:59] <diamond> dredg: hah. you suck -)
[05:59] <dredg> i'm tending to forget a lot lately
[06:00] <dredg> i blame lack of sleep
[06:00] <diamond> right. i should join ubuntu-meeting, right?
[06:00] <dredg> yer
[06:00] <schweeb> my clock says midnight!
[06:01] <dredg> my clock says 0500. i cry :(
[06:01] <diamond> schweeb: my body says die -)
[06:01] <dholbach>  and you all have good wiki pages, rock
[06:01] <schweeb> diamond: hehe
[06:02] <diamond> hmm. i wonder if i die from tiredness could i get membership post-humously -)
[06:03] <dredg> diamond: no, but your corpse might.
[06:03] <diamond> dredg: that'd do just fine
[06:03] <dredg> diamond: the worms might disagree
[06:04] <diamond> dredg: i might disagree with them too ,-)
[06:04] <dredg> diamond: you'd be dead though, so you most likely wouldn't
[06:04] <diamond> dredg: i mean digestively
[06:05] <dredg> diamond: quite true
[06:06] <dredg> diamond: you see mail no.2 i sent to meteor?
[06:06] <diamond> dredg: no
[06:07] <dredg> diamond: http://niall.evil.ie/random/meteor2.txt
[06:07] <diamond> dredg: hah. nice
[08:26] <crimsun> night all
[08:26] <tritium> Good night crimsun :)
[08:26] <dholbach> bye crimsun
[08:27] <schweeb> night fellas
[08:27] <tritium> good night schweeb
[08:27] <diamond> nite all
[08:27] <tritium> night diamond
[08:28] <siretart> woah, I was delivered about 40 mails of ubuntu-devel mails
[08:28] <dholbach> bye schweeb, diamon :-)
[08:28] <thom> yeah, jdub just moderated a bunch of mail
[08:29] <siretart> ah, ubuntu-devel is moderated? this explains the good signal/noise ratio :)
[08:34] <tritium> I'm exhausted...
[08:34] <dholbach> bye tritium :-)
[08:35] <tritium> Good night, dholbach, and everyone else.
[08:35] <dholbach> i'm having breakfast now
[08:35] <tritium> yum...I can't wait for morning.  I'm hungry already.
[08:35] <tritium> I'll be traveling, but I'll be in touch.
[08:35] <siretart> excellent idea, breakfast..
[08:35] <tritium> night
[08:44] <fabbione> yo
[08:47] <fabbione> dredg: you around?
[08:49] <dholbach> fabbione: after 426246h without sleep, i think he wanted to read for another hour and drop into bed
[08:49] <fabbione> yeah well it's not like i am really fresh
[08:49] <fabbione> i slept barely 4 hours this night :)
[08:50] <dholbach> i slept 5... got up for CC meeting
[08:50] <fabbione> yeah
[09:21] <hsprang> good morning!
[09:23] <dholbach> hey hsprang
[09:42] <dholbach> bbl
[09:44] <GheRivero> res
[11:06] <\sh> morning
[11:07] <ajmitch> hi
[11:18] <\sh> guys...i slept only 3 hours :) and after yesterdays session I'm not a beginner to debian stuff anymore...now I'm a semi-pro ;)
[11:18] <d3vic3> already? O_o
[11:20] <\sh> d3vic3: i don't really know...I sat 14 hours on my laptop to get rid of one lintian message...read many documentations, set up apt repositories and stuff, read more documentation and more only to figure out that "dh_makeshlibs" is the solution...;)
[11:20] <\sh> well, ebuilds are much easier, even rpms ;)
[11:20] <\sh> the lintian checks are quite hard ;)
[11:22] <\sh>  and I see that breezy is open
[11:25] <Mithrandir> \sh: I don't know about how ebuilds work, but http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/03/31/packaging.html is fairly interesting in the context of dh_makeshlibs and debian packages.  Some of the problems he's describing there (hidden dependencies) can't show up in a Debian system.
[11:27] <\sh> Mithrandir: well..my problem was, packaging a sharedlib. everything was allright, but lintian bugged me about "there is no shlibs control file" and I tried to figure out, why
[11:27] <Mithrandir> ah
[11:27] <Mithrandir> shared libraries are hard.
[11:27] <Mithrandir> but then shared libraries are always hard.
[11:28] <Mithrandir> I've seen fairly core packages in gentoo get it wrong too (convert broken cause libjpeg or something bumped it soversion)
[11:29] <\sh> Mithrandir: yeah..but most of the time in gentoo the upstream is mistaken and the ebuild author has to create patched
[11:29] <\sh> -d+s
[11:30] <\sh> Mithrandir: but here was everything ok...only this bl
[11:30] <\sh> bl**dy shlibs.local was wrong..
[11:30] <Mithrandir> \sh: it's more a result of a broken dependency and the packaging system's inability to spot and track that.
[11:31] <\sh> other way: if i have a shared lib lets say libfoo.so.major.minor, it depends in libc.so.6 and ld-linux.so.2
[11:31] <\sh> what is the correct shlibs.local?
[11:34] <\sh> funny thing is, i checked some sample sources out of the ubuntu repos, but wherever i checked, i didn't found a shlibs.local file...libao2, xine-lib nowhere
[01:13] <Mithrandir> tseng: rock!
[01:17] <Treenaks> \sh: dh_makeshlibs
[01:18] <\sh> Treenaks: yeah ;)
[01:19] <\sh> Treenaks: after 14 hours I found it ;)
[01:20] <Shufla> hello
[01:20] <Treenaks> hu Shufla
[01:20] <Treenaks> hi, too
[02:00] <koke> hey, could someone help me with english jargon
[02:00] <koke> I don't understand the jcarnie's comment at http://koke.amedias.org/2005/04/11/ill-be-there-upside-down/#comments
[02:03] <ajmitch> haha
[02:03] <dredg> koke: that's not english. that's something else entirely
[02:03] <ajmitch> it's a joke..
[02:03] <koke> :D
[02:04] <ajmitch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_Bear
[02:04] <\sh> hehe
[02:31] <\sh> :)
[03:59] <bddebian> Good morning
[05:25] <dholbach> hi
[05:27] <StoneTable> hey dholbach
[05:27] <dholbach> hey StoneTable
[06:17] <dholbach> bbl
[06:33] <tritium> Hello.
[06:35] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[06:36] <tritium> What's up, bddebian ?
[06:36] <bddebian> "work"  :'-(
[06:36] <tritium> Ah, at least you're 1/2-way done with the day now...
[06:37] <bddebian> One would think :-)
[06:38] <tritium> working late?
[06:38] <bddebian> Usually these days.. :-)
[06:38] <tritium> ah...
[06:54] <tritium> Any news on the CC meeting time?
[07:35] <herve> hi!
[07:35] <herve> I see breezy is open
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya herve
[07:35] <Mithrandir> indeed it is
[07:36] <herve> but the changes are posted in changes.hoary... oO
[07:48] <Treenaks> does anyone have a clue on how I could get a dump of the 8k of memory one of my PCI devices has?
[07:48] <Treenaks> (        Memory at d0206000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K] )
[07:50] <herve> write a C program to access that mem area?
[07:50] <herve> but would the kernel allow it?
[07:50] <herve> being root, surely
[07:50] <Treenaks> herve: I'd probably have to use some weird /dev stuff
[07:50] <Treenaks> or /proc
[07:51] <herve> I don't think /proc allow that sort of introspection
[07:51] <herve> but some char device probably
[07:52] <Treenaks> I'm trying to figure out how to get my PCI7x21 to work
[07:52] <Treenaks> (flash card reader in my laptop)
[07:52] <Treenaks> (104c:8033, the datasheet claims it's "a Flash Media controller in ATA mode")
[07:53] <Treenaks> (but it's an "unknown mass-storage device")
[07:53] <herve> that makes me think I have a sd card reader not detected
[07:54] <herve> or the cards inserted are not detected
[07:54] <Treenaks> well, it's in my PCI list.. but no driver gets loaded to claim/use i t
[07:54] <Treenaks> so I'm actually thinking of creating a driver.. but for that I need specs
[07:54] <Treenaks> and time
[07:55] <herve> time...
[07:55] <Treenaks> time I can get
[07:55] <Treenaks> but the specs..
[07:56] <Treenaks> ti.com doesn't have them
[07:56] <Treenaks> and I don't really know how to contact companies like that
[07:56] <herve> "give me your specs or be doomed!"
[07:56] <herve> sure it doesn't help :-)
[07:57] <Treenaks> herve: I don't even know how to contact them.. calling seems like it'll be pointless
[07:57] <herve> ha! the sd card *is* detected but "cardmgr[8651] : unsupported card in socket 0"
[07:57] <Treenaks> I don't know enough about electronics to complete their "Mail customer support" form
[07:58] <Treenaks> so all I need is someone who's good at extracting info from TI persons
[07:58] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: /proc/kmem?
[07:58] <herve> Treenaks, contact a salesman and say you bring a partnership for linux support ;-)
[07:59] <bddebian> heh
[07:59] <Mithrandir> dd if=/dev/kmem skip=3491782656 count=8192 | od
[07:59] <Mithrandir> might work
[08:00] <Treenaks> dd: reading `/dev/kmem': Bad address
[08:00] <Treenaks> maybe /dev/mem
[08:00] <herve> Treenaks, isn't adding this device to some list of known mass-storage device enough?
[08:00] <Treenaks> same error :(
[08:00] <Treenaks> herve: some ATA driver probably..
[08:01] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: should be easy enough to write a kernel module to dump it, though
[08:03] <Treenaks> http://www-s.ti.com/sc/ds/pci6421.pdf -- page 19 for the definition of "ATA driver" and "Flash Media", and page 145 for all I've been able to find
[08:03] <Treenaks> (wow, evince is FAST)
[08:05] <Treenaks> anyway, this is just a description of the PCI config area.. which is very similar to most stuff I've seen
[08:08] <ogra> Treenaks, hal device manager should have more infor in the BIOS device
[08:08] <ogra> (its ripped off kmem)
[08:08] <Treenaks> ogra: I have the address.. just not the contents
[08:10] <Treenaks> I don't believe dmidecode:
[08:10] <Treenaks>         Portable Battery
[08:10] <Treenaks>                 SBDS Manufacture Date: 1985-08-25
[08:11] <ogra> hmm, i guess your bios chip reports only a 5 there....
[08:11] <Treenaks> probably :)
[08:11] <Treenaks> ogra: no. it puts a 4 there :)
[08:11] <ogra> heh
[08:11] <Treenaks> ogra: 2005-08-25 is in the future
[08:11] <ogra> true
[08:18] <Treenaks> anyway..
[08:18] <Treenaks> I think I need to poke TI.. but where
[08:19] <ogra> Treenaks, i guess you should wait and try 2.6.12 if it hits breezy....
[08:20] <Treenaks> ogra: there's no reference of the PCI id in google.. except for lspci -n listings
[08:20] <Treenaks> so I think there's no driver
[08:20] <ogra> on my machine even 2.6.11 recognizes 50% more of the devices
[08:21] <ogra> i think the driver will be quite generic, its just not known by the kernels pcimap yet
[08:21] <ogra> since you said its a pcmcia device....
[08:21] <herve> that's my guess too
[08:21] <Treenaks> ogra: it's not a pcicia device
[08:21] <Treenaks> pcmcia
[08:22] <ogra> didnt you talk about cardmgr above ?
[08:22] <Treenaks> no
[08:22] <Treenaks> that was herve
[08:22] <herve> that was me
[08:22] <herve> :-)
[08:22] <ogra> ah, yup, just scrolled up...
[08:22] <ogra> sorry ...
[08:23] <Treenaks> it's on the same PCI bus as the cardbus controller...
[08:23] <Treenaks> but that's a different bus than the card in the slot
[08:23] <herve> but I'm interested by how adding support for my card reader too ;-)
[08:25] <Treenaks> herve: is it visible using lspci?
[08:25] <herve> my pcmcia port yes
[08:25] <ogra> or in lshal/hal device manager
[08:25] <herve> but my guess about this laptod is that all the media base is a (collection of) usb device(s)
[08:26] <herve> (laptop...)
[08:26] <herve> er, wrong gues
[08:26] <herve> s
[08:26] <Treenaks> herve: does the card reader show up? :)
[08:26] <herve> the card reader is not on the media base
[08:26] <herve> Treenaks, yes
[08:26] <Treenaks> herve: could you paste?
[08:26] <herve> and inserting a card is detected
[08:26] <Treenaks> hm.. here I have this:
[08:26] <Treenaks> 0000:02:06.3 Unknown mass storage controller: Texas Instruments: Unknown device 8033
[08:26] <Treenaks> 0000:02:06.3 0180: 104c:8033
[08:27] <herve> Apr 13 19:56:59 localhost kernel: cs: memory probe 0xa0000000-0xa0ffffff: clean.Apr 13 19:56:59 localhost cardmgr[8651] : unsupported card in socket 0
[08:27] <herve> Apr 13 19:56:59 localhost cardmgr[8651] :   product info: "RICOH", "Bay1Controlle
[08:27] <herve> hmm
[08:27] <herve> there are two pcmcia ports declared...
[08:28] <herve> I bet the second one is a builtin card reader...
[08:28] <herve> because I only have a single external port
[08:28] <Treenaks> I've done my research.. my reader is weird :)
[08:39] <herve> by the way
[08:40] <herve> isn't kernel 2.6.11 slowly entering breezy?
[08:40] <ogra> 2.5.12
[08:40] <ogra> s/5/6
[08:40] <crimsun> and oh boy does it have crack
[08:40] <crimsun> lots of it.
[08:40] <herve> I saw 2.6.11 header upload
[08:40] <ogra> yup
[08:40] <herve> and since it was in universe previously...
[08:40] <ogra> only the headers....
[08:41] <herve> as a start?
[08:41] <ogra> i know fabio just prepared a highly experimental 2.6.12 image for upload...
[08:41] <herve> I wonder about the point of this otherwise
[08:41] <herve> higly? *g*
[08:41] <ogra> he said so in -devel
[08:42] <ogra> but currently we'll have to wait until all the toolchains are in place
[08:45] <herve> hmm... saw mdz's post... I quite less tempted to update breezy now ;-)
[08:45] <ogra> i'm pretty sure it wont be very usable the first days.....
[08:46] <ogra> but at least you can update your hoary a bit :)
[08:46] <herve> I'll upgrade after UDU now
[08:46] <ogra> (with broken stuff indeed)
[08:46] <herve> yes, I'll selectively upgrade, thanks synaptic!
[08:46] <ogra> heh
[08:47] <crimsun> heh, I'm running off a livecd anyhow, so it really doesn't matter ;)
[08:47] <ogra> heh
[08:47] <herve> nice idea!
[08:59] <\sh> ok..guys of motu...if you don't review, i will spam your motunewpackages ;)
[08:59] <bddebian> heh
[09:01] <\sh> ok...i will perform now a (K)ubuntu session and put it as flash file on my blog
[09:22] <herve> someone knows about some certutil command shipped with mozilla?
[09:53] <\sh> I'm awake ;)
[09:53] <ajmitch> great :)
[09:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: you up & about? ;)
[09:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course!
[09:54] <ajmitch> hehe
[09:54] <ajmitch> so what's new?
[09:54] <bddebian> I want to kill myself.  You?
[09:54] <ajmitch> btw, you haven't happened to send any hardware yet, right?
[09:54] <ajmitch> ah, crawled out of bed
[09:54] <ajmitch> regretting getting up
[09:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, sorry.  When are you "leaving" again?
[09:55] <ajmitch> end of next week
[09:55] <bddebian> Doh
[09:55] <ajmitch> :)
[09:58] <bddebian> I guess I'm overnighting it then eh? :-)
[09:58] <ajmitch> for that cost, I shoul get a new laptop ;)
[09:58] <ajmitch> it's certainly not urgent
[10:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: so have you installed fresh ubuntu goodness yet?
[10:05] <dholbach> hey
[10:05] <ajmitch> dholbach!! :)
[10:05] <dholbach> :-))
[10:05] <dholbach> MOTU love: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCxxTransition
[10:06] <ajmitch> so what shall we work on today? ;0
[10:06] <ajmitch> wee!
[10:06] <dholbach> doko 's been DAMN busy
[10:06] <ogra> hey, we dnt transition c++ .... do we ?
[10:06] <ogra> +o
[10:06] <dholbach> ogra: you have a problem with c++?
[10:06] <ajmitch> ogra: breezy will have fresh gcc-4.0 crack
[10:07] <ogra> afaik g++ will stay 3.3
[10:07] <ajmitch> plenty of packages that'll need fixed in universe
[10:07] <ajmitch> are you sure?
[10:07] <ogra> pretty much
[10:07] <ajmitch> from what i heard it'll be a c++ transition as well
[10:07] <dholbach> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[10:07] <ogra> only gcc4.0
[10:07] <ajmitch> ABI goes 102->1002
[10:08] <ogra> at least thats what they were talkinmg about the last hrs
[10:08] <tseng|work> isnt gcc 4.0 supposed to have some hardcore code path optimizers
[10:08] <tseng|work> predictive stuff
[10:09] <doko> ogra: yes, but only for two or three weeks
[10:09] <dholbach> doko: i'm absolutely amazed... you're an absolute workhorse
[10:09] <tseng|work> i wonder if i should upload mono now
[10:09] <ogra> doko, oh, i thought for the whole breezy time... thanks for clearifying
[10:09] <ajmitch> tseng|work: it doesn't look like binaries are being built yet for breezy
[10:10] <ogra> tseng|work, there are no working buildds yet :) but you could queue it
[10:10] <ajmitch> ogra: so we were both right, in a way :)
[10:10] <tseng|work> yeah
[10:10] <ogra> heh
[10:11] <crimsun> hey, when you squash the table spacing on UniverseCxxTransition, it doesn't seem that bad!
[10:12] <ajmitch> heh
[10:12] <ajmitch> I'm glad none of my packages are on there
[10:12] <dholbach> some of mine are
[10:12] <ajmitch> like gtkmm
[10:12] <dholbach> :-)
[10:12] <ajmitch> you've got about 20x more packages that you've touched than anyone else ;)
[10:13] <dholbach> on that list?
[10:13] <ajmitch> no, in general
[10:13] <ajmitch> I can't tell from that list
[10:13] <dholbach> wow
[10:13] <ajmitch> 20x is a rough guess :)
[10:13] <dholbach> you must have misread something :-)
[10:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: Sorry.  Yes, it has a nice shiny new ubuntu install :-)
[10:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: I mean on your systems, that you use :)
[10:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, since there isn't an Ubuntu GNU/Hurd yet.. ;-)
[10:18] <ajmitch> well, get to work ;)
[10:19] <bddebian> Give me a build system :-)
[10:19] <ajmitch> don't you have spare hardware?
[10:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: Spare hardware?
[10:29] <crimsun> mm, excellent. monotone just hit sid today. :)
[10:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: a build system..
[10:30] <ajmitch> crimsun: excellent.. I might check that out one day
[10:34] <JanC> hm, a new educational project that has debian packages: http://edukalibre.org/software ?
[10:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: I have a build system, I need somewhere to host all the debs :-)
[10:37] <ajmitch> aha
[10:42] <dholbach> i'll be off for now... see you later
[11:30] <herve> night all!