[12:00] <_edulix> Normally I can change cpu throttling doing an echo 0 > /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling, but when fan start to spin throttling raises 7 (75%) and it doesn't obbey me
[12:00] <libben> ill take it that gnome inherits the path from gdm and gdm gets it from somewhere,... cause i can execute my shellscript when im in gnometerminal everywhere... but if i try to launch it from xchat /exec -o myshell it wont start... i need to type the whole path... and a /exec -o echo $PATH in here shows me that it aint in my path... and ive started xchat from gnome menu.. doesnt xchat inherits the path as gnometerminal does ?
[12:01] <femv> People is there anyway i can disable somethings that ubuntu does when it is starting up the sys??
[12:01] <Lefungus> crimsun, thanks for the help
[12:02] <vessuvius81> taddeus, what architexture are you running on?  A regular intel-based pc?
[12:03] <camcorder> I need to reconnect cable to switch to make connection come back
[12:03] <camcorder> that really sucks, btw, it detected eth card at port 21, i doubt it used to be like that on fedora
[12:03] <z0mbix> anyone know how to remove postfix without removing ubuntu-base?
[12:04] <lamont> z0mbix: sure.  upgrade to breezy in a few weeks.
[12:04] <lamont> ubuntu-base is just a meta package to drag in all the base pacakges.
[12:04] <lamont> postfix is a base package (currently)
[12:04] <lamont> ergo, removing postfix will remove ubuntu-base
[12:04] <lamont> and have no other effect
[12:04] <vessuvius81> if so, download ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso from http://us.releases.ubuntu.com and burn it to a cd
[12:04] <z0mbix> i know, but i want to keep ubuntu-base for future upgrade reasons
[12:05] <_edulix> well, at least I would like to know how can I tell ubuntu to not load acpi_cpufreq kernel module at boot so that it just cannot change cpu throttling
[12:05] <_edulix> I've added it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist but it'ss till being loaded at boot
[12:05] <femv> cs : pcmia_socket0 unable to apply power.... anybody know what to do ??????
[12:08] <libben> anything better to use when u use msn? i only use msn
[12:08] <zenwhen> amsn is ok
[12:09] <ailleantsian> does anyone know a good pcimca card that has linux drivers that is compatible with ubuntu?
[12:09] <ailleantsian> wlan card
[12:11] <ray__> anyone got ideas how to fix these sounds probs?
[12:11] <femv> is it a good thing to do to edit xorg.conf and change via by vesa ???
[12:12] <FC-tooki> hello
[12:12] <FC-tooki> alguien habla espaol???
[12:13] <garrut_> nope
[12:13] <FC-tooki> 
[12:13] <FC-tooki> :P
[12:13] <FC-tooki> hola garut
[12:13] <FC-tooki> colaborame con unas cosillas sobre ubuntu
[12:13] <FC-tooki> o con una sola por ahora
[12:13] <FC-tooki> si???
[12:14] <femv> fc-tooki que buscas
[12:14] <camcorder> how can I make ubuntu to assing lower ip to eth0?
[12:14] <FC-tooki> es q hoy instale ubuntu
[12:14] <mike_> camcorder: is it DHCP or static IP?
[12:14] <FC-tooki> y yo uso dial up, como lo configuro en ubuntu???
[12:14] <FC-tooki> no se como le hago
[12:14] <camcorder> mike_: static ip
[12:15] <camcorder> mike_: but why matters?
[12:15] <FC-tooki> ni como creo un archivo para conectarme
[12:15] <femv> q tal si
[12:15] <avida> does ubuntu support dvd recording ?
[12:15] <mike_> camcorder: edit /etc/network/interfaces to have the IP you want.
[12:15] <mike_> camcorder: it matters because with DHCP, you're going to get what the DHCP server gives you, pretty much.
[12:17] <camcorder> mike_: ah sorry :P, i watned to ask, how can i make ubuntu to assign lower IRQ not ip ..
[12:17] <iocaste> anyone use blackbox 0.70?
[12:17] <mike___> camcorder: oh. That, I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's more a function of the BIOS than of the OS
[12:18] <camcorder> well i thiink problem is that, irq21 is too much and after some time my connection wents down, i have to hook down the cable from switch and hook up to make connectin com back
[12:18] <mike___> is this a USB network interface or something?
[12:18] <camcorder> mike_ : i couldn't find place to make bios non-pnp os compatible, but indeed kernel 2.4+ shoudl be pnp ready
[12:19] <mike___> yah, it should. what's /proc/interrupts say?
[12:19] <argoth> hey guys, could anyone help? I've got a problem configuring xorg. the problem is my radeon 9600
[12:19] <camcorder> it assigns at 21
[12:19] <camcorder> well dunno, my problem is my connection went down after some time
[12:20] <camcorder> and only wayt to bring it back is to hook down, and hook up from switch
[12:20] <femv> people how can i disable pcmia lookup on startup ??????
[12:20] <mike___> poke around in your BIOS some more... there might be something to do it.
[12:20] <mike___> whoops, gotta go
[12:20] <mike___> \quit
[12:21] <Reblended> how do I display two desktops at once and  have two users sharing the same computer (two mice and keyboards)
[12:21] <kdp> http://www3.state.id.us/oasis/HCR029.html
[12:21] <argoth> so, is there an ati pro on? :-)
[12:21] <kdp> for any napolean dynamite fans
[12:21] <hackeron> well, been using ubuntu for 4 days now: ftp://81.86.159.146/text/ubuntu-criticism - unfortunately I still consider it one of the worst distributions I ever tried with fedora a close second :'(
[12:22] <Reblended> why hackeron? works excellent for me
[12:22] <hackeron> Reblended: I gave a link with a text file explaining why
[12:22] <EricColeman> what does "Failed to load HAL" mean?
[12:22] <Reblended> hackeron, reading it now
[12:23] <hackeron> Reblended: there's 51 points there :)
[12:23] <Reblended> lol, I"m sorry dave, but I'm afraid I can't do that, EricColeman
[12:23] <jordanau> i am using sudo apt-get -d install <program> to download files to save to cd. where are they stored?
[12:23] <kdp> hackeron: you can take screenshots of only certain parts of the screen
[12:23] <argoth> so noone can help me with my radeon 9600 problem?
[12:23] <Reblended> hackeron, bummer, well, if you read more about ubuntu... the codes are downloaded with apt-get...
[12:23] <hackeron> kdp: yeah? how?
[12:23] <imperfect-> argoth: what's the issue?
[12:23] <kdp> hackeron: man import
[12:23] <_membreya> hmmm using an AC97 soundcard and some apps are complaining that /dev/snd/seq doesnt exist..whats the best way to go about this ?
[12:24] <EricColeman> Ubuntu installs on my Compaq Presario R3000, i used the linux noapic option that i found in the wiki
[12:24] <WiFi_Net_Guy> LInuxJones and njan, if you're still on, sorry for not responding back. Had to go to a meeting.
[12:24] <hackeron> kdp: no, from that gnome screenshot app. Ubuntu is a desktop oriented distribution, I shouldnt have to use the console.
[12:24] <EricColeman> but when gnome loads up, i get just 2 toolbars at the top (no icons what so ever) a blank bg, and a box that said "Failed to load HAL"
[12:24] <kdp> hackeron: then use the gimp
[12:24] <EricColeman> I -do- get the pretty login screen ;)
[12:24] <kdp> hackeron: Acquire -> Screenshot
[12:24] <hackeron> Reblended: I did read about ubuntu, the guide isnt accurate. Also, finish reading the point, I did get mpeg4 working, but no thanks to the ubuntuguide.
[12:25] <hackeron> kdp: there's no part of window, only single window, thats not what I want
[12:25] <hackeron> kdp: you can do single windows with alt+print-screen.
[12:26] <Reblended> hackeron, what's better than ubuntu for ease of use (for a beginner)
[12:26] <hackeron> Reblended: err, pretty much anything else out there, Xandros, Ark, Mepis, Mandrake, SuSE, etc are all far better in my opinion.
[12:26] <holycow> hackeron, thanks for the single window screenshot tip, i didn't know that
[12:26] <holycow> heh
[12:26] <hackeron> Reblended: my most favoured is Ark atm
[12:26] <smouche> hackeron, a better screenshot app comes with kubuntu -- ksnapshot
[12:26] <Reblended> ty hackeron
[12:26] <hackeron> holycow: np :)
[12:26] <membreya> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo <---will this guide work given that it's referring to OSS?
[12:26] <holycow> hackeron, your just bitter
[12:27] <hackeron> smouche: yeah, I know :)
[12:27] <holycow> hackeron, shutup and start coding :)
[12:27] <smouche> I imagine you could simply use that in gnome
[12:27] <holycow> hehe
[12:27] <hackeron> holycow: heh, I am actually, not for ubuntu though.
[12:27] <chavo> hackeron, most of those points are about gnome.
[12:27] <argoth> /tell imperfect- did you get my messages?
[12:27] <hackeron> smouche: hmm, lets see how easy it is to remap the key :)
[12:27] <holycow> hackeron, *nod* all cool, no single distro can make everyone happy
[12:27] <hackeron> chavo: yeah, well...
[12:27] <chavo> Which is godawful, thank God for kubuntu.
[12:27] <ploum> Hi
[12:28] <ploum> I think I 've a bug on hoary
[12:28] <ploum> Right Click > properties of any multimedia file on the desktop crash nautilus !
[12:28] <Reblended> hackeron, at arklinux.org right now... very compatible? I have a sony vaio and I've heard  they can be persnickety
[12:28] <kdp> plous: this has already been filed
[12:28] <kdp> *ploum
[12:28] <Reblended> hackeron, Ark is debian?
[12:28] <argoth> imperfect-: well i guess that means no :-)
[12:29] <kdp> ploum: its a problem w/totem-xine
[12:29] <ploum> kdp, thx !
[12:29] <hackeron> Reblended: well, they use apt4rpm and I think were based on redhat6 or something originally.
[12:29] <ploum> do you know the bug number ? (on ubuntu or gnome bugzilla ?)
[12:29] <csj> hi all, when I install a new package, I want it refresh the gnome-menu, so I `killall gnome-panel` but then gaim in the system-tray gone , is that normal?
[12:29] <lughdailh> hola
[12:29] <argoth> well, I didn't manage to make the 2D and 3D acceleration work.
[12:30] <jordanau> i am using sudo apt-get -d install <program> to download files to save to cd. where are they stored?
[12:30] <argoth> i tried different Drivers settings like ati, fglrx and radeon .. with no success
[12:30] <EricColeman> how do I tell why HAL won't load?
[12:30] <holycow> i love x, i love xdmcp, ubuntu rocks so hard
[12:30] <holycow> lol
[12:30] <hackeron> Reblended: they hacked the crap out of hotplug and added all binary drivers possible. I think they meet most of my requirements here: http://81.86.159.146/hackeron/index.php/What_makes_a_good_Linux_Distribution
[12:31] <kdp> ploum: its on both, see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8076
[12:31] <argoth> fglrxinfo says:
[12:31] <Reblended> hackeron, ty, got some reading to do
[12:31] <hackeron> Reblended: no pppoa, but they already added it to cvs and pppoe works great. Ndiswrapper is supported, but no auto dialog when you insert windows driver cd yet.
[12:31] <argoth> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:31] <argoth> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[12:31] <argoth> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[12:31] <argoth> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[12:31] <argoth> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[12:31] <argoth> argh, sorry
[12:32] <hackeron> Reblended: PS, that essay is a work in progress, I only started work on it a few days ago after a ubuntu dev angered me :)
[12:33] <kdp> ploum: just for my sake, what type of video card do you have?
[12:34] <argoth> *sigh* .. :-) well i guess i'll google a bit more ... *desperate*
[12:34] <boodle> Hiya, any "Brezzy Badger" feeds available yet?
[12:35] <holycow> hackeron, lol
[12:35] <holycow> dude your a world class moron
[12:35] <holycow> haha
[12:35] <holycow> you need to change your page title
[12:36] <hackeron> holycow: heh, thanks :)
[12:36] <Nigelenki> haha
[12:36] <Nigelenki> bank hax0red
[12:36] <holycow> What makes a good Linux Distribution ... change to --> What 'hackeron thinks' makes a good Linux Distribution
[12:36] <holycow> seriously, your an idiot :)
[12:36] <Nigelenki> loser 0, bank 1
[12:36] <hackeron> holycow: heh, sure :)
[12:36] <membreya> holycow: before you pick on someone, make sure you get it right yourself...in the context you used it .. the phrase should have been "dude, you're a world class moron" :P
[12:36] <jordanau> holycow, do you know where apt-get stores downloaded files?
[12:36] <kdp> more bugs in windows...http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=8160126&src=rss/technologyNews
[12:36] <Nigelenki> it looks like that web site I reported to Regions got taken over by regions, who subsequently put a big notice about not asking for your information in e-mail on the site
[12:37] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:37] <hackeron> holycow: also, you can ofcourse be a bit more specific like mention what you disagree with :)
[12:37] <jordanau> Dr_Aevil, gracias
[12:37] <holycow> membreya, to put up a page and consider your opinion to somehow be representative of 'the answer' 'for everyone' automatically qualifies the writer as such
[12:37] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: np :)
[12:37] <holycow> at the very least as arrogant
[12:37] <membreya> lol holycow ..that's why you don't read personal webpages? :P
[12:38] <Oliver> quick question, is there a package list somewhere for Ubuntu?
[12:38] <jordanau> Dr_Aevil, may i ask you how you know? i did whereis apt and apt-get and got nothing
[12:38] <tbird> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[12:38] <holycow> membreya, :) of course, it's the stink of 'holier than thou' that usually gets such postings categorised in the stinky column tho :)
[12:38] <trans_err> any programs which seem to use audio (ie. mplayer, xmms, amarok) seems to segfault
[12:38] <trans_err> any ideas why this would be happening?
[12:38] <Oliver> tbird: thanks, not so easy to find that link on the site :)
[12:38] <holycow> jordanau, somewhere in /usr/share
[12:38] <trans_err> could it be hardware related?
[12:38] <tbird> Oliver, np
[12:38] <membreya> trans_err: try #kubuntu ;)
[12:39] <trans_err> membreya: why because i mentioned amarok?
[12:39] <hackeron> holycow: lol, clever you. You didnt even read the first few paragraphs eh? :)
[12:39] <membreya> that's the one trans_err, and have you tried doing a trace on the program?
[12:39] <jordanau> holycow, thanks i found it in /var cause of Dr_Aevil , excuse the randomly pointed question
[12:39] <holycow> membreya, and and lol your post is correct an insults sucks when you misspell it
[12:39] <imperfect-> what were you looking for
[12:39] <trans_err> membreya: well forget i said amarok and just say xmms
[12:39] <imperfect-> and doesn't anyone believe in locate?
[12:40] <darkaudit> trans_err: I just stepped in... what's the prob?
[12:40] <camcorder> well
[12:40] <holycow> jordanau, oh! shoot my mistake sorry, that sounds right
[12:40] <camcorder> seems like when I auto-negotiate again, eth start workign again
[12:40] <membreya> trans_err:: see above
[12:40] <trans_err> darkaudit: segfaulting on audio
[12:40] <EricColeman> post-install on a compaq laptop HAL fails to load, where can I find out why?
[12:40] <trans_err> darkaudit: mplayer, xmms, et cetera
[12:40] <kdp> locate is good...very good
[12:40] <membreya> and it does make a bit of a difference since kubuntu uses ARTSD
[12:40] <hackeron> holycow: but yeah, I guess "Ability to get online" is a silly requirement. You're right.
[12:40] <trans_err> membreya: im using straight alsa
[12:40] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: I don't remember sorry :) something I found out somehow over the years but it's mentioned in the apt-get man page
[12:41] <jordanau> Dr_Aevil, np just wondering if there was a better method than whereis
[12:41] <holycow> hackeron, well you are entitled to your opinion :)  i don't generally spend time reading about 'absolute world views' however, i preffer a collaborative approach provided all parties like to play fairly
[12:41] <imperfect-> jordanau : locate.
[12:41] <imperfect-> jordanau: locate is your friend.
[12:42] <holycow> hackeron, *nod* why not start your own distro tho?  obviously you can do a better job right?
[12:42] <kdp> as is updatedb :-)
[12:42] <holycow> hackeron, maybe base it even off of ubuntu work so you don't haveto redo all their patching?
[12:42] <membreya> trans_err:: have you tried running a trace on the app to see where it's segfaulting at?
[12:42] <hackeron> holycow: heh, I already have large portions of the code ready, and several specifications ;)
[12:42] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: for packages you can also see where they stick their files by typing dpkg -L <package name>
[12:42] <trans_err> membreya: playing with that now
[12:43] <holycow> hackeron, cool, have fun :) let us know when you have an iso ready
[12:43] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: so for example, dpkg -L apt
[12:43] <membreya> damn the ubuntu mailing list is busy..just over a month and I have 5400 messages in the folder for it :P
[12:43] <hackeron> holycow: and I'm basing if off LFS, great "distribution".
[12:43] <imperfect-> anyone got a 7200rpm laptop drive theyw wanna sell
[12:43] <hackeron> holycow: it wont be an iso ;)
[12:43] <imperfect-> muh powerbook needs bigger balls
[12:43] <holycow> hackeron, rofl, hahaha
[12:44] <holycow> hackeron, i'm out, :) i won't even try it
[12:44] <holycow> heh
[12:44] <holycow> hackeron, thats a hell of a lot of work, wow
[12:44] <trans_err> membreya: nothing useful at all
[12:44] <hackeron> holycow: yeah, think of it as an apt-build with working watch files and auto version discovery.
[12:45] <holycow> hackeron, to be sure, don't let me discourage you at all, go for it, sounds cool
[12:45] <hackeron> holycow: its amazing that over 80% of packages on apt have a broken watch file
[12:45] <holycow> hackeron, so basically a debian / gentoo hybrid?
[12:45] <hackeron> err, on debian rather
[12:45] <imperfect-> hackeron : uhm, let me discourage you
[12:45] <imperfect-> hackeron : it's a pointless waste of time ;)
[12:45] <hackeron> holycow: not exactly, I'll reveal detail when I have more code to show for it :)
[12:45] <jordanau> Dr_Aevil, thanks again, BTW i just ran apt-get clean hope that didnt mess anything up
[12:45] <imperfect-> hackeron: please, for the love of god, take up violin or something
[12:45] <holycow> hackeron, allright, coolies
[12:46] <hackeron> imperfect-: I play the piano ;)
[12:46] <imperfect-> hackeron : play violin too!
[12:46] <imperfect-> hackeron: do what you have to do to not waste your life on such an endeavor
[12:46] <kdp> hackeron: but can you play both parts of "piano phase" at the same time?
[12:46] <hackeron> kdp: what?
[12:46] <kdp> if not, get to work! mwahahahaha...i wish i could play piano
[12:47] <imperfect-> dude
[12:47] <kdp> hackeron: its this piece by steve reich, very cool :-) you should check it out
[12:47] <imperfect-> i've got this piece of software for my powerbook
[12:47] <hackeron> kdp: I can play the second Hungarian Rhapsody by Liszt -- hard, hard piece :)
[12:47] <imperfect-> called blue phone elite
[12:47] <imperfect-> man it's neat
[12:47] <kenix> trk varm trk
[12:47] <imperfect-> it syncs with my addressbook
[12:47] <imperfect-> and when my phone rings
[12:47] <hackeron> kdp: hmm, ok, I will.
[12:47] <kdp> hackeron: bah, Liszt.  Banging on a piano.
[12:47] <imperfect-> the picture of the person and their phone number is superimposed on my laptop screen via bluetooth
[12:47] <imperfect-> it's the shit
[12:48] <kenix> selam
[12:48] <kenix> selam
[12:48] <kenix> selam
[12:48] <Dr_Aevil> jordanau: nah, it just wipes the debs in the local archive
[12:50] <busfahrer> Excuse me, can Ubuntu be used for a server system (as opposed to a desktop system)?
[12:51] <spades> busfahrer: yes it can
[12:51] <ricardo_> hi all
[12:51] <busfahrer> Thanks, I'll have to give it a try. :-)
[12:51] <Jet2k5> can someone help me?
[12:52] <imperfect-> Jet2k5 : you need #telepathic_ubuntu
[12:52] <Jet2k5> this is getting real annoying, ubuntu can't burn my cd's correctly
[12:52] <imperfect-> Jet2k5 : over there they can read your mind!
[12:52] <femv>          does anybode knows how to disable pcmia look up at startup ????????????????????
[12:52] <ricardo_> do nvidia driver make ubuntu 5.04 freeze atstartup?
[12:52] <Jet2k5> I can't update through a cd
[12:52] <hackeron> busfahrer: any linux distribution can, if you're going to run anything serious though (as in not a toy), consider something more server oriented like http://www.debian-hardened.org/
[12:52] <ricardo_> at startup
[12:52] <Jet2k5> I've already had to re-install because the other net update fucked up my computer pretty damn bad
[12:52] <Telep> hmm, I really need to get rid of my highlight for this channel :D
[12:52] <darkaudit> ricardo_: not on my box, it doesn't
[12:52] <dockane> is it possible that a dvdrom cant read any dvds but keeps on reading cds ?
[12:53] <Jet2k5> E: Prior errors apply to /cdrom//pool/main/u/util-linux/util-linux_2.12p-2ubuntu2_i386.deb
[12:53] <Jet2k5> Extracting templates from packages: 46%ad file descriptor
[12:53] <Jet2k5> that's the error from synaptics
[12:53] <Jet2k5> and the md5sum matched up, and the burning was successful, but it keeps on saying it's a bad burn or somethign
[12:53] <EricColeman> does anyone know why HAL wouldn't start in 5.0.4?
[12:53] <EricColeman> i get the login screen, but after login I get a blank bar at the top & bottom of the screen
[12:54] <EricColeman> and a message that says "Failed to load HAL"
[12:54] <ricardo_> darkaudit, my ubuntu box worked well until today. it freezes on nvidia spashscreen. should I reinstall?
[12:54] <Jet2k5> your not the only one with freaking problems
[12:54] <Reblended> hackeron, awesome thesis... great links...
[12:54] <imperfect-> I'm sorry EricColeman I can't let you do that.
[12:54] <Jet2k5> mine are getting to the point where I'm about to dump ubuntu down the trash with mdk and all the others
[12:54] <Jet2k5> :P
[12:54] <EricColeman> can't let me do what?
[12:54] <Jet2k5> do what I'ma bout to do
[12:55] <imperfect-> Jet2k5 ; Dude. I've been using linux for 10 years... and i feel like drop kicking it every 2 hours.. don't feel bad ;)
[12:55] <hackeron> Reblended: thanks :) -- you're the first person not to flame it :)
[12:55] <alexwillmer> looking at the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/.config for 5.04 it appears CONFIG_NET_RADIO was not set in the built kernel, am I interpreting this correctly?
[12:55] <imperfect-> alexwillmer : If it's in .config, yep prolly nod
[12:55] <imperfect-> er not
[12:55] <ny0> Sorry.what is ibernation in ubuntu?
[12:55] <imperfect-> alexwillmer : if it says CONFIG_NET_RADIO=n
[12:56] <EricColeman> why is it every time I ask about HAL I get some message saying "Sorry, I can't let you do that"
[12:56] <EricColeman> in this chat?
[12:56] <imperfect-> Jet2k5 : I downloaded a hoary iso and it worked fine the first time...
[12:56] <imperfect-> EricColeman : 2001, a space Oddessy.
[12:56] <imperfect-> (sp)
[12:56] <EricColeman> ok
[12:56] <imperfect-> it was a move
[12:56] <imperfect-> er movie
[12:56] <hackeron> Reblended: did you follow the link to the list of audio/video editing applications? -- took me a while to put that together :)
[12:56] <imperfect-> the computer was named HAL
[12:56] <imperfect-> nevermind ;)
[12:56] <EricColeman> ahh
[12:57] <EricColeman> i tried reinstalling
[12:57] <EricColeman> where can I find a log of why it wouldn't start?
[12:57] <alexwillmer> imperfect-, actually it says # CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not set, but if that's true surely no wifi would work in 5.04?
[12:57] <imperfect-> NET RADIO could be ham radio support for all I know
[12:57] <imperfect-> google that setting
[12:58] <imperfect-> or look at the kernel documentation directory
[12:58] <imperfect-> there's all kindms of cool info in there
[01:01] <qman> anyone know if you can put something other than a aiport card in ibook?
[01:02] <alexwillmer> ok, surprising but according to this http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0407.2/0561.html
[01:02] <goonie> is there anything one needs to know about post upgrade from warty to hoary? will it all be configged or is there something one needs to do right away?
[01:03] <kaouete> goonie: i think you can go with the eyes closed :> but maybe check the wiki
[01:04] <qman> goonie: I just let it rip, worked fine
[01:04] <jbailey> goonie: Read the release notes.
[01:05] <jbailey> goonie: They're packed full of goodness. =)
[01:06] <holycow> interesting, installing vsftpd generates in a similar startup message with the [ok]  at the end, i love that
[01:06] <membreya> vsftpd ? :|
[01:06] <imperfect-> vsftpd is an annoying piece of shit
[01:06] <imperfect-> everyone should know that
[01:06] <imperfect-> ;)
[01:06] <holycow> i'm trying it out, i read it was good :)
[01:06] <holycow> lol
[01:06] <holycow> i've used proftpd forever
[01:07] <holycow> imperfect-, just out of curiosity, what things don't you like about it?
[01:07] <imperfect-> holycow: one thing inparticular is lack of site-to-site copy
[01:07] <imperfect-> holycow: that's really my only beef.
[01:07] <imperfect-> holycow: and it's insanely restrictive default install config
[01:07] <imperfect-> holycow: but it wouldn't be very secure if it were useable ;)
[01:07] <bob2> to be fair, only warez people seem to use fxp
[01:08] <holycow> lol imperfect- considering it's ftp, insanely restrictive is appealing to me
[01:08] <pvoce> arrghhh...I have the /dev/lp0 permission denied...Ive added lpr to the lp group....any other ideas?
[01:08] <imperfect-> bob2: dunno why you gotta make me feel like a leper
[01:08] <busfahrer> I always say "If it's good enough for kernel.org, it's good enough for anybody."
[01:08] <yyc747__> I have a friend who recently got a free old iMac.  I want him to use linux, but he has been resistant. he's willing to try it on this iMac.  will hoary ppc be high enough quality to win him over?
[01:09] <bob2> depends what he wents in an OS
[01:09] <imperfect-> yyc747__: Have him use OS X Panther, it's BSD, it's just as good and it looks a hell of a lot nicer.
[01:10] <membreya> imperfect-: don't forget..Tiger's out soon :D
[01:10] <imperfect-> membreya: yeah but panther sucks on old iMacs
[01:10] <yyc747__> bob2: he's a fairly power-user... but he does want a certain amount of polish.  will it run at a usable speed with gnome?
[01:10] <membreya> panther is 10.2 right?
[01:10] <imperfect-> membreya : it's prolly a G3 w/o AltiVec and boy do it suck
[01:10] <imperfect-> panther 10.3
[01:10] <membreya> aah
[01:10] <imperfect-> jag was 10.2
[01:10] <imperfect-> yyc747__: PANTHER.
[01:10] <membreya> not a huge mac freak .. I just think OSX is pretty
[01:11] <imperfect-> yyc747__: I'm telling you.. it's the best of both worlds
[01:11] <dcahrakos> can anyone help me, I just started using ubuntu but im not sure how to install apps and stuff
[01:11] <imperfect-> dcahrakos : synaptic
[01:11] <membreya> dcahrakos: ask away dude
[01:11] <Jimbob> imperfect-: No, it's the best to date of both worlds.
[01:12] <imperfect-> Jimbob: best to date. Whatever ;)
[01:12] <membreya> freeBSD..how can you go wrong ;)
[01:12] <Jimbob> imperfect-: What I mean is, there's plenty of places where OSX could Suck Less(tm) but doesn't.
[01:12] <imperfect-> Jimbob: right now it's the coolest thing on the market for useability and unixellence
[01:12] <dcahrakos> synaptic says I need to be root user
[01:12] <Evaso> anybody knows why Wg511 "made in china" wireless card doesn't work on hoary?
[01:12] <imperfect-> Jimbob: I don't know... I use fink. and I'm happy as a lark
[01:13] <membreya> dcahrakos: just type in your password
[01:13] <imperfect-> Evaso: ubuntu is african.. hell
[01:13] <pvoce> nopers...Im not sure if its an lp or a foomatic issue
[01:13] <membreya> Evaso: nope..worked perfectly for me
[01:13] <dcahrakos> it says, you must run this program as root user
[01:13] <imperfect-> Jimbob: don't get me wrong I'm not trying to use it in an enterprise.. im just trying to use it for computer geekness ;)
[01:13] <Evaso> membreya: do u have a "made in china" version?
[01:14] <membreya> Evaso: nfi ..the card is around here SOMEWHERE I hate wireless..especially when I just have gB ethernet to the PC's around here
[01:15] <FC-tooki> como compilo mi modem en ubuntu??????
[01:15] <dcahrakos> ah, ok, I got synaptic open now
[01:15] <bob2> yyc747__: an old imac will probably not be much fun with gnome
[01:15] <bob2> yyc747__: depends how old and much ram, of course
[01:16] <Jimbob> God I hate the word "enterprise"
[01:16] <membreya> ...unless it's in reference to ncc-1701 Jimbob :P
[01:17] <Jimbob> membreya: Well, yeah, but *that* enterprise isn't going to touch OSX, Linux, or Windows :-)
[01:18] <membreya> god ..could you imagine if the enterprise ran on any of those OS's :P
[01:18] <Jimbob> Scotty really would be a miracle worker?
[01:19] <Jimbob> "Fire!" "Um..." "Damnit, Fire!" "I'm looking for the button now, sir..."
[01:19] <mebaran151> my xpdf segfaults on my amd64 setup
[01:19] <mebaran151> what do I do
[01:20] <mebaran151> the Enterprise ran old CPM DOS
[01:20] <mebaran151> everyone knows that
[01:20] <Quest-Master> lol
[01:21] <membreya> speaking of...did you see, Richard Branson is naming his first commercial space craft "Enterprise" ... and it will be deemed VSS (as in USS 1701) *rolls his eyes*
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Looks like Debian's founder isn't very happy with us
[01:21] <zxc> I'm read the wiki on restricted formats, but I still don't understand how to get them.
[01:21] <zxc> *I've
[01:21] <propagandhi83> Quest-Master, its not just the founder
[01:22] <Quest-Master> propagandhi83: I know
[01:22] <maddler> mebaran151... my xpdf works fine (amd64 too)
[01:22] <mebaran151> hmmm
[01:22] <Dr_Aevil> Quest-Master: what in particular are you reading?
[01:22] <mebaran151> mine is segging
[01:22] <mebaran151> I wonder what it could be
[01:22] <Quest-Master> propagandhi83: I'm very disappointed with most of Debian and it's community in general
[01:22] <propagandhi83> have a look at slashdot
[01:22] <mebaran151> should I try a purge and reinstall
[01:22] <Quest-Master> Slashdot, propagandhi83
[01:22] <propagandhi83> Quest-Master
[01:22] <maddler> mebaran151... try...
[01:22] <propagandhi83> me also
[01:23] <propagandhi83> but the way i see it if ubuntu developers can make debian what it lacks now, Ubuntu is a good thing
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Exactly
[01:23] <propagandhi83> debian is living in the stone-age in comparison
[01:23] <maddler> indeed
[01:23] <zxc> anyway to play .mpg...it says it's not supported
[01:23] <zxc> :/
[01:23] <mebaran151> maddler
[01:23] <membreya> maybe they will do a microsoft on ubuntu and claim it for infringements :P
[01:23] <mebaran151> does it matter that I messed up cups
[01:23] <linuzo> Hello I just installed kubuntu and I was wondering why my sound isnt working..
[01:23] <mebaran151> installing gimp print 5.0
[01:23] <maddler> mebaran151... I don't think so...
[01:24] <membreya> linuzo: elaborate
[01:24] <maddler> mebaran151... cups should only be needed when printing IMHO
[01:24] <mebaran151> because cups relies on it and vice versa
[01:24] <mebaran151> depends I should say
[01:24] <Dr_Aevil> yeah, I read the /. post Quest-Master.  Be interesting to see how it all turns out.
[01:25] <Thief> Hello, im having problems with ubuntu install. Its installs all teh way, but the GRUB loader refuses to go past "GRUB loading stage 1.5, Please Wait . . ."
[01:25] <linuzo> membreya, ok Mandrake my sound was working fine.. Now I install kubuntu and it isnt working..
[01:25] <propagandhi83> Thief - whats your architecture
[01:25] <membreya> linuzo: not working for somethings? or not working for everything?
[01:25] <membreya> Thief: does it give a grub error after that?
[01:25] <Thief> AMD-K6
[01:25] <linuzo> membreya, kmix says there is a sound driver but I get no sound
[01:25] <queuetue> Reading slashdot ... I wonder if Ubuntu's success is going to force debian to actually release something for a change.:)  (I kid, I kid!)
[01:25] <kanuha> Is there anything special I need to do to get a linksys wireless pci card to work?
[01:25] <membreya> also have you checked your DMA settings in your BIOS
[01:25] <Thief> Error 21
[01:26] <propagandhi83> linuzo, is the sound icon crossed out
[01:26] <linuzo> nope
[01:26] <membreya> linuzo: open kmix and make sure nothing is muted
[01:26] <ice_1963> i holp lol
[01:27] <goonie> linuzo~ unmute the mixer ?
[01:27] <linuzo> membreya, I opened and nothing is muted..
[01:27] <lixe> hi
[01:27] <DocUb> wow, mplayer takea awhile to install ;)
[01:27] <DocUb> takes*
[01:27] <propagandhi83> THIEF: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-02/msg00082.html
[01:27] <linuzo> let me check something
[01:27] <membreya> linuzo: what type of soundcard?
[01:28] <linuzo> its cmi9761 AC97
[01:28] <queuetue> How do I share printers?  I know cups does it, but I can't tell how to turn it on...
[01:28] <lixe> is this syntax ok for hosts.deny: ALL: 195.71.11.67/32, 194.64.249.207/32, 209.225.0.6/32 ?
[01:28] <Zugot> hi
[01:28] <linuzo> via82xx: Assuming DXS channels with 48k fixed sample rate.
[01:28] <linuzo>          Please try dxs_support=1 or dxs_support=4 option
[01:28] <linuzo>          and report if it works on your machine.
[01:28] <linuzo> thats in dmesg
[01:29] <zxc> I tried to mount my disk and it's appearing in computer but it says "mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda4 is already mounted on /share
[01:29] <zxc> mount failed"
[01:30] <zxc> what do I do?
[01:30] <queuetue> zxc, What are you trying to do?
[01:30] <zxc> mount my datashare drive which is fat32
[01:30] <zxc> so it appears in computer
[01:30] <propagandhi83> linuzo - check these steps (the'yre for mandrake, but i'd assume it'll work)
[01:30] <propagandhi83> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=805020
[01:30] <Thief> it worked, thanks
[01:31] <zxc> queuetue, I think I set it as /share when setting up but how do I mount this?
[01:31] <membreya> which one Thief ?
[01:31] <Thief> the error 21 link you gave me ( http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-02/msg00082.html)
[01:31] <queuetue> zxc, sounds like it's already mounted... do an ls /share .
[01:31] <kanuha> Help getting a linksys pci wireless card working
[01:31] <membreya> oh ok
[01:32] <linuzo> propagandhi83, ok I will try ty
[01:32] <zxc> queuetue: "Customising  Internet  Recycled  System Volume Information  Work
[01:32] <zxc> "
[01:32] <BackSlaSh83> hi all
[01:32] <zxc> queuetue, that's my stuff
[01:32] <propagandhi83> Thief - perhaps u can log that solution
[01:32] <queuetue> zxc, Sounds like it's mounted...
[01:32] <zxc> how do I get it in computer
[01:32] <zxc> so I can browse?
[01:33] <membreya> propagandhi83: common problem :P
[01:33] <queuetue> zxc, It's obviously on your computer.  just go to /share ...
[01:33] <decklin> zxc: it's under Filesystem
[01:33] <membreya> zxc: are you running ubuntu or kubuntu?
[01:33] <zxc> ah decklin thanks
[01:34] <lixe> is this syntax ok for hosts.deny: ALL: 195.71.11.67/32, 194.64.249.207/32, 209.225.0.6/32 ?
[01:34] <membreya> 9.30 am ...smoko time :D
[01:34] <pugio> hey how can I determine what kernel version I'm running? (hoary 5.04)
[01:34] <queuetue> It's ALL UNDER FILESYSTEM. The rest of those buttons are a sham.  (Nautilus really irritates me. :) )
[01:34] <queuetue> pugio, uname -a
[01:34] <decklin> queuetue, :-)
[01:34] <membreya> pugio: cat /proc/version
[01:35] <pugio> great thanks!
[01:35] <queuetue> pugio, less /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:35] <queuetue> membreya, Come on, gimme another one. :)
[01:35] <membreya> lol
[01:36] <odyssey> anyone know what acpi=ht in grub conf does?
[01:36] <membreya> ls /boot/
[01:36] <membreya> ha queuetue :P
[01:36] <queuetue> odyssey, hyperthreading
[01:36] <Quest-Master> Man, I must say
[01:37] <membreya> ht can bite my amd64 ass :P
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Nautilus is one of the worst designed programs I've ever seen
[01:37] <membreya> Quest-Master: it has nothing on konqueror :P
[01:37] <odyssey> queuetue, thanks
[01:37] <queuetue> Quest-Master, Yesh, almost as bad as every ther graphical file-broser ever invented.:)
[01:37] <queuetue> odyssey, Welcome.
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Well then, I guess I'll add an IMO to that
[01:38] <propagandhi83> I dont know why you'd use gnome as opposed to KDE
[01:38] <membreya> queuetue: give konqueror some credit, it's a file browser (has inbuilt archive tools) and is also a web browser :)
[01:38] <queuetue> "Explorers" are for eople who can't figure out how the tab key works. :)
[01:38] <benz240> question: how do i change the resolution before it boots fully?
[01:38] <] BreliC[> propagandhi83, well, i used kde for quite a while and just switched over to gnome because it's quicker, sleeker, and less cluttered
[01:38] <virtuald> what's the default web browser string in System/Settings/Prefered applications?
[01:39] <benz240> i just installed a clean install and as soon as it gets into desktop the resolution is fukked
[01:39] <membreya> benz240: you mean your startup ? with all your services starting?
[01:39] <queuetue> membreya, How is AMD-64 world?  I've got one showin gup on my doorstep day after tomorrow...
[01:39] <benz240> yeah my startup
[01:39] <benz240> no i cant even see the area to login
[01:39] <benz240> its all garbled
[01:39] <membreya> queuetue: I love my AMD64 :) there's a few problems with packages, but you just compile them yourself
[01:39] <queuetue> membreya, Actually, Athlon 64, which I think is the same thing...
[01:39] <benz240> i need to change something pre-boot
[01:39] <benz240> i think i need to reduce the colors
[01:39] <linuzo> propagandhi83, haha did you ever fool me..  How can I follow that url there is no lilo in kubuntu it uses grub..
[01:39] <propagandhi83> BreliC - gnome is quicker i'll give u that
[01:40] <membreya> queuetue: yup same thing...athlon XP, then Athlon 64 :)
[01:40] <propagandhi83> well, Grub has very similar parameters u can pass to it
[01:40] <membreya> opteron
[01:40] <membreya> gnome may be quicker, but that's because it's a more simple interface ;)
[01:40] <DocUb> anyone know how I can get my DVD's to work?
[01:40] <benz240> membreya - got any idea?
[01:40] <] BreliC[> membreya, exactly.. and really, who needs a complex interface? ;)
[01:40] <membreya> benz240: you need to press ctrl+alt+f1 ..login and then change your /etc/X11/xorg.conf I believe
[01:41] <imperfect-> DocUb: I heard tell of a problem with totem
[01:41] <queuetue> And thank goodness for simpler - get all that gooey UI junk out of the way. :)
[01:41] <linuzo> propagandhi83, ok well can you show me how then cause I have no idea how this is the first distro I used with grub..
[01:41] <benz240> ah
[01:41] <DocUb> I tried loading a DVD in my drive but it's not loading
[01:41] <membreya> ] BreliC[: people that want eye-candy and menu's that you can edit
[01:41] <] BreliC[> membreya, if i wanted a complex bloated one, i'd use windows :D
[01:41] <DocUb> I am using Helix as well
[01:41] <benz240> thanks, i was wondering what that command for text-based login
[01:41] <membreya> benz240: to edit the file, just go sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:41] <MrNonchalant> personally I'm a fan of the kind of warm feeling gnome gives me, kde always feels so impersonal
[01:41] <queuetue> DocUb, Try the Hoary After Install Helper. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860
[01:41] <imperfect-> benz240 : init 1 ;)
[01:42] <benz240> sudo?
[01:42] <DocUb> thx queuetue
[01:42] <DocUb> :)
[01:42] <membreya> benz240: super user
[01:42] <benz240> geez
[01:42] <benz240> you can tell im new to this
[01:42] <] BreliC[> hey, an application froze on me the other day and, being so used to CTRL-ATL-ESC to get the good ol skull and crossbones, it didn't work in Ubuntu... is there an equivalent?
[01:42] <] BreliC[> other than explicitly killing the app?
[01:43] <hawke> So, when does breezy start?
[01:43] <propagandhi83> linuzo - http://www.webservertalk.com/archive112-2004-6-262740.html
[01:43] <FC-tooki> volvi
[01:43] <FC-tooki> quien me puede ayudar a compilar mi modem???
[01:44] <queuetue> ] BreliC[, (most annoying name ever, btw) Alt-F2 xkill click... Bind it to Control-Alt_esc if you want.
[01:44] <propagandhi83> FC-tooki : speaky da englishy
[01:44] <FC-tooki> man
[01:44] <FC-tooki> I dont speak much english
[01:44] <] BreliC[> queuetue, just type ]  then the tab.. then you'll see it's the easiest name ever
[01:44] <queuetue> FC-tooki, What language do you speak?
[01:44] <FC-tooki> spanish
[01:44] <linuzo> propagandhi83, that has to do with ethernet cards not sound
[01:45] <] BreliC[> queuetue, thanks for the help... ;)
[01:45] <queuetue> ] BreliC[, I do, but it's a massive mind-jump for a developer to type the close-bracket *first*. :)
[01:45] <ferret_> has any one had a chance to try configuring dialup modem on Tecra 8100?
[01:45] <queuetue> FC-tooki, I think there is an #ubuntu-es
[01:46] <FC-tooki> [06:46]  <queuetue> FC-tooki, I think there is an #ubuntu-es---> i'm now here
[01:46] <propagandhi83> the apci switch is there
[01:46] <propagandhi83> u can do apci=ht
[01:46] <propagandhi83> in place
[01:46] <FC-tooki> but i dont find much help
[01:46] <queuetue> FC-tooki, You may also want to try #debian-es ... Sorry, but This is just  avery English channel. :(  (You could just give it a show, and we;ll try to interpret! :) )
[01:47] <FC-tooki> lol
[01:47] <ferret_> lol
[01:47] <FC-tooki> jeje :P
[01:47] <ferret_> what's that apci=ht for?
[01:47] <drasko>  I have problem -- php4 dont work with my apache
[01:48] <queuetue> FC-tooki, I have to admit though, it looks like you were asking about a car (volvi) and then something about compiling  a modem...)
[01:48] <ferret_> lol
[01:48] <propagandhi83> sorry, linuzo, for u it should be acpi=on
[01:48] <propagandhi83> or force
[01:48] <FC-tooki> [06:49]  <queuetue> FC-tooki, I have to admit though, it looks like you were asking about a car (volvi) and then something about compiling  a modem...)---> jajaja, "volvi" ins spanish means "return"
[01:48] <queuetue> babelfish says "who can help me to compile my modem"
[01:48] <imperfect-> huh?
[01:49] <claude> Hi guys. I got a major prob (for me anyway) and I would greatly appreciate assistance....
[01:49] <claude> Anyone got a minute?
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> what is the problem
[01:49] <hackeron> is there an rss feed reader in ubuntu?
[01:49] <queuetue> FC-tooki, Please don't repeat my entire sentence for no good reason.. I kknew what I said, and I hate to see my typos *again*.:)
[01:49] <MrNonchalant> firefox
[01:49] <njan> hackeron, apt-cache search rss
[01:49] <z0mbix> lol
[01:50] <imperfect-> hackron: firefox ;_
[01:50] <FC-tooki> [06:50]  <queuetue> FC-tooki, Please don't repeat my entire sentence for no good reason.. I kknew what I said, and I hate to see my typos *again*.:)---> are you angry???
[01:50] <claude> HrdwrBoB, hal gives me an error message and my machine is very slow on boot entering the session... desktop fails, gnome panel don't start...
[01:50] <queuetue> FC-tooki, No, no, no...  If I was angry, I'd call you every spanish swear I know.  (Like, two of them. :) )
[01:51] <queuetue> FC-tooki, Its just odd to repeat back what someone just said to you.
[01:51] <njan> queuetue, <queuetue> FC-tooki, Please don't repeat my entire sentence for no good reason.. I kknew what I said, and I hate to see my typos *again*.:) <= guess you'll be taking the annoying habit of quoting e-mails in replies up with the rest of the english-speaking e-mail-using world, then :p
[01:51] <hackeron> njan: ah, good point :)
[01:51] <drasko>  I have problem -- php4 dont work with my apache
[01:51] <njan> hackeron, give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day etc etc ;)
[01:51] <hackeron> njan: err, that was to imperfect-
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> claude: what is the error
[01:51] <queuetue> njan, I actually trim emails and only include the pertinent parts in the reply. :)
[01:52] <njan> queuetue, not me.
[01:52] <queuetue> drasko, What don't it do?
[01:53] <drasko> queuetue, index.php can not be openet, nor can any other php file in my Firefox...
[01:53] <claude> HrdwrBoB,  just says : HAL error :(   . Then I reboot in recovery mode, do a gdm gdm-restart and I still have the HAL error popup but gnome starts well (and fast!)...
[01:54] <XTC> anyone knows how to setup wine for running msn correctly.....
[01:54] <claude> HrdwrBoB,  ... then if I logout and log back in it works fine.... but when I reboot :o(  slowe again.
[01:56] <hackeron> XTC: hmm, just out of interest, why would you want that?
[01:56] <XTC> i dunno
[01:56] <astro76> XTC: have you tried gaim?
[01:56] <XTC> yeah...
[01:56] <maddler> XTC... wouldn't be easier gaim?
[01:56] <XTC> i miss the popups
[01:56] <XTC> i just moved onto ubuntu
[01:56] <XTC> cause my win dies
[01:56] <XTC> and wouldn't wake  up
[01:57] <membreya> what popups?
[01:57] <hackeron> XTC: yeah, that happens often :)
[01:57] <XTC> haha
[01:57] <hyphenated> XTC: gaim + guifications sounds like what you want
[01:57] <XTC> when somebody comes online....
[01:57] <membreya> XTC: use kopete in KDE :D
[01:57] <membreya> hyphenated: they never worked for me :'(
[01:57] <hackeron> XTC: use irssi with bitlbee and the active notify script - I use that combination to chat on MSN
[01:57] <imperfect-> Anyone else think the aim buddy window is way too big
[01:58] <XTC> i'm gonna try amsn
[01:58] <queuetue> OMG, you're running MSN under wine?  MS is totally going to rub you out. :)
[01:58] <hyphenated> membreya: you should have complained to grim about it. he wrote that plugin
[01:58] <XTC> you know that kopete is a chilean word (i'm from chile) and means alcohol beberage in chilean spanish
[01:58] <XTC> :p
[01:58] <membreya> hyphenated: I loaded the plugin ..but I never got any of the popups ..so I just moved to kopete :)
[01:58] <membreya> XTC: works for me :D
[01:59] <wrong> an odd thing happens if you drag the top menu bar to the right side of the screen in hoary live at 1024x768 - the three pulldown menus appear side by side at the top, then the icon launchers expand to the width of said menus (i.e. huge) and once that's happened there's no idle real estate on the panel to drag it back to the top again.
[01:59] <XTC> yuk
[01:59] <njan> XTC, you must have been indulging in a little offline kopete if you want to run msn under wine :p
[01:59] <XTC> amsn s0x
[01:59] <membreya> lol njan :P
[01:59] <XTC> :p
[01:59] <XTC> anybody would wanna answer a question about fbsd?
[01:59] <queuetue> njan, I was working on that same joke, but couldn;t get the words to come out without it sounding forced...
[01:59] <XTC> i wanna try that too
[02:00] <queuetue> njan, I see you couldn't either.:)
[02:00] <membreya> god damn..all the MSN messenger clone sites have those infringement notices on them :|
[02:00] <claude> HrdwrBoB,  still there?
[02:00] <hyphenated> XTC: you might be better off asking in the #freebsd channel for stuff about fbsd
[02:00] <imperfect-> XTC: what about it?
[02:00] <] BreliC[> hey, if you like simple msn clients, check out tmsnc or pebrot
[02:00] <] BreliC[> both command-line msn apps.. pretty nice
[02:01] <] BreliC[> especially for tunneling in to your own machine from outside and running it.. even though where you are have blocked the msn port *grin*
[02:02] <njan> queuetue, of course it was forced; it was a joke.
[02:02] <XTC> ur rught
[02:02] <queuetue> njan, I was trying to get a clever wine-kopete comparison thing going on.:)
[02:03] <XTC> has anybody tried the mac emulator on linux?
[02:03] <njan> queuetue, well, I did briefly ponder phrasing it '..under the influence of wine'
[02:03] <njan> queuetue, but I thought that would have been overdoing it :p
[02:03] <WW> queuetue: ...at least njan took a shot...
[02:03] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:03] <^thehatsrule^> heya njan ;p
[02:03] <njan> heya, ^thehatsrule^ :)
[02:04] <njan> queuetue, mess with the best.. or.. something.. ;)
[02:04] <membreya> class card? :P
[02:04] <queuetue> membreya, clowns scare me.
[02:04] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[02:04] <membreya> nice cover there queuetue :P
[02:05] <woodwizzle> In the network settings gnome app, what is Location for?
[02:05] <woodwizzle> I set up a home location and a school location and while in each one set my wireless connection to look for either my school or homes wifi
[02:05] <woodwizzle>  but apparently thats not what location is for because changing my location never changes what the wireless connection settings are.
[02:05] <corey> In the network settings gnome app, what is Location for?
[02:05] <queuetue> Intel is offering $10,000 for a copy of the April 19, 1965 issue of Electronics magazine...
[02:06] <corey> I set up a home location and a school location and while in each one set my wireless connection to look for either my school or homes wifi
[02:06] <corey>  but apparently thats not what location is for because changing my location never changes what the wireless connection settings are.
[02:07] <queuetue> How do I share printers?  I know cups does it, but I can't tell how to turn it on...
[02:08] <srbaker> anyone here install ubuntu ppc on a mini yet?
[02:10] <benz240> does anyone in here use MS Virtual PC???
[02:10] <Nekohayo> anyone messed up their UI because they upgraded nvidia-glx like me? :)
[02:11] <vasi> benz240, i use it on OS X
[02:11] <benz240> damn i had things working perfectly a min ago, ubuntu was running WITHIN windows XP
[02:11] <vasi> haven't had much luck installing linux on it
[02:11] <benz240> but i decided to kick it up a notch and go fullscreen
[02:11] <benz240> well now i cant get it back to windowed
[02:11] <vasi> corey, you have to manually change the "location"
[02:11] <^thehatsrule^> benz240, try alt-enter? ctrl+alt ?
[02:12] <corey> vasi: I DO but even when I change it, the settings don't get changed
[02:12] <vasi> it's just helpful to be able to store a whole bunch of settings as one location
[02:12] <vasi> oh really? hmm that's starnge
[02:12] <^thehatsrule^> benz240, if those dont work, use ctrl+alt+del
[02:12] <benz240> i can only go crtl+alt+del and switch back
[02:12] <benz240> but i cant get it back into windowed mode
[02:12] <^thehatsrule^> i use vmware, personally
[02:12] <benz240> every time i start it back up it defaults to fs
[02:12] <^thehatsrule^> preferences?
[02:12] <benz240> yeah i had vmware but my trial ran out
[02:12] <benz240> lol
[02:12] <^thehatsrule^> help?
[02:12] <benz240> yeah i looked in prefs
[02:12] <vasi> hmm, is there a gnome equivalent to kdirstat or xdiskusage?
[02:12] <WW> queuetue: There are some FAQs in the ubuntu wiki FrequentlyAskedQuestions page about sharing a printer.
[02:13] <benz240> its like my pref settings for that vpc are screwed
[02:13] <Seabook> Quick question: how do I upgrade from warty to the hoary hedgehog?
[02:13] <Seabook> Can I do it from synapse?
[02:14] <benz240> i dont get it
[02:14] <benz240> it wants to go fullscreen no matter what
[02:14] <^thehatsrule^> just read help, heres support for ubuntu :P
[02:15] <linuzo> propagandhi83, hey I figured it out..  dont ask me how this worked but I muted this IE9c58 on the mixer and the sound started working..  the reason Im telling you is so you know for maybe someone else..  since this can be a pretty common problem..
[02:15] <Seabook> nvm, just found the release note on ubuntu.com
[02:16] <XTC> has anyone had trouble booting hoary 5.04?
[02:16] <XTC> at least for me it seems  that if computer is cold i get mem errors
[02:16] <XTC> :(
[02:16] <XTC> thoug i can boot with other system......
[02:17] <XTC> anybody had that trouble?
[02:17] <propagandhi83> linuzo: crazy, but excellent too, glad its working (no thanks to my advice)
[02:18] <xthepic> can anyone help me with an openoffice.org2 problem really fast? i can't get spellcheck/thesaurus to work.
[02:18] <linuzo> propagandhi83, one last thing how do I fix this keyboard thing, when I hit the / button I get a 
[02:19] <Ironfrost> xthepic - thesaurus is a different package
[02:19] <Ironfrost> not sure about spellcheck
[02:20] <xthepic> Ironfrost: i have the package installed, but it is still greyed out in the Tools menu
[02:22] <Ironfrost> hmm - I just tried it myself, and mine is acting up too
[02:22] <Ironfrost> it's running the spellcheck, but not flagging anything as wrong
[02:22] <xthepic> exactly what mine is doing
[02:23] <nxot> yo
[02:23] <nxot> whys it say GRUB hard disk error
[02:24] -nxot:#ubuntu- hi kids do you like violence?
[02:25] <] BreliC[> linuzo, you are using the french keyboard
[02:25] <amonkey> any way to make xmms stop after the current track with a package or without compilign it myself?
[02:26] <linuzo> yeah but how do I change it
[02:26] <nxot> is there any way to make ubunut work?
[02:26] <linuzo> I cant even use a stupid question mark
[02:26] <bob2> nxot: have you pasted the grub error to #flood yet?
[02:27] <Arnia> linuzo: System > Preferences > Keyboard and the layout tab of that
[02:27] <nxot> :\
[02:27] <nxot> that is the grub error
[02:27] <nxot> i dunno about no #flood tho
[02:27] <linuzo> Arnia, Im using kubuntu do you know howto in this one
[02:27] <nxot> i just finished installing it and it told me to take out hte cd and shit and restart
[02:28] <nxot> and i did
[02:28] <nxot> and now it says grub hard disk error
[02:28] <Ironfrost> xthepic - got it
[02:28] <benz> awesome
[02:28] <Ironfrost> first you should install the myspell-* package (where * is your language)
[02:28] <] BreliC[> linuzo, ? is shift+6.  i'm going to look now on my other kde box .. one moment
[02:28] <benz240> i am typing this within Ubuntu
[02:28] <Ironfrost> then in OOo, go to options
[02:28] <lmurillo2> hello
[02:29] <lmurillo2> I'm having a bit of a problem doing $ sudo apt-get update
[02:29] <Arnia> linuzo: In KControl, Regional and Accessibility > Keyboard layout
[02:29] <Ironfrost> tools>options even
[02:29] <gnuts> hello
[02:29] <] BreliC[> yeah, what Arnia said ;)
[02:29] <lmurillo2> it apparently gets the packages but it then says: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[02:29] <linuzo> WhooooooHoooooo!
[02:29] <idn__> does anyone know if theres an easy way to select which programs should open which file extensions
[02:29] <Ironfrost> go to language settings > writing aids, and hit 'edit' on "OOo myspell spell checker"
[02:29] <linuzo> thanks Arnia
[02:29] <idn__> in gnome
[02:30] <lmurillo2> and it doesn't read any of the data it just downloaded, any idea?
[02:30] <Arnia> linuzo: No problem :)
[02:30] <linuzo> keyboard layouts was diabled so it wouldn;t work when I changed it on the clock I was really confused..
[02:30] <linuzo> lol
[02:30] <Arnia> idn__: Find a file of that MIME type (it works by MIME type *not* strictly extension) and right click and select properties
[02:30] <benz240> which one of you just helped me a few min ago
[02:31] <idn__> ok
[02:31] <linuzo> thanks for all your help..  Now I can still use kubuntu and no more Mandrake or Mandriva whatever they call themselves now-a-days..
[02:31] <Arnia> idn__: Click the Open With tab and you can change it from there
[02:31] <idn__> got it, thanks arnia
[02:31] <meff> where can i find some info on breezy and if the repositories are up and ready, etc..? all i see in the wiki is the plan list
[02:31] <Arnia> idn__: No problem :)
[02:32] <DazeD> sooo bored
[02:32] <kanuha> what plugin do I need to view mpg and wmv files in totem?
[02:32] <nydust> how is the easyest way to backup my ubuntu.. I am geting a new laptop and want to use this install cause it works so good?
[02:33] <xthepic> Ironfrost: that got it working. thanks!
[02:33] <DocUb> kanuha: goto Synaptic and type totem and check the plugins available.
[02:34] <DocUb> I am not sure the file plugin name, I'm doing some major upgrades myself on my Desktop
[02:34] <Ironfrost> xthepic - np, thanks for letting me know about the problem
[02:34] <gnuts> I'm trying to install mplayer-586 with synaptic (marillat and multiverse enabled) but it requires newer versions of libfontconfig1 and libvorbis than are available, is there a solution that isn't too complex?
[02:35] <Nekohayo> did someone get to use the 7174 drivers?
[02:35] <Nekohayo> (nvidia-glx)
[02:35] <kanuha> it shows totem, totem-gstreamer and totem-xine
[02:35] <nxot> WILL SOMEONE HELP ME?
[02:35] <DocUb> are both of those installed?
[02:35] <DocUb> if not they will be marked white boxes
[02:35] <kanuha> toem and totem-gstreamer are installed
[02:36] <DocUb> ok
[02:36] <kanuha> totem-xine is not installed
[02:36] <DocUb> when you load a music file and etc does it bring up a pop-up error?
[02:36] <DocUb> you'll need that as well
[02:36] <membreya> nxot: if you care not to shout
[02:36] <nxot> i have to shout
[02:36] <membreya> have you checked your DMA settings in your BIOS
[02:36] <nxot> because no one seems to listen
[02:36] <nxot> what the fuck is dma
[02:36] <kanuha> no, I installed the mad plugin to play mp3s
[02:37] <nxot> is it drugs?
[02:37] <DocUb> oh the gstreamer
[02:37] <membreya> nxot: stop swearing, stop shouting and deal with this like an adult
[02:37] <membreya> or at the very least a human being
[02:37] <nxot> :\
[02:37] <kanuha> yes
[02:37] <] BreliC[> it's the ubuntu way after all
[02:37] <DocUb> Membreya: do you have anything open to help Kanuha?
[02:37] <nxot> lol
[02:38] <nxot> see i'm being nice...
[02:38] <DocUb> I got Synatpic open doing upgrades
[02:38] <nxot> if you want i can be rude
[02:38] <membreya> you're already being arrogant.. I want to help but not until you decide to become more polite
[02:38] <nxot> :\
[02:39] <nxot> then help
[02:39] <nxot> talking about helping is only going to piss me off
[02:39] <merlin__> does anyone know why the syslinux config in the CD has "--" in the kernel append line?
[02:39] <membreya> nxot: give me a few minutes then
[02:39] <DocUb> Kanuha: type Mp3 in your Synaptic search tool and check the plugins availble for mp3's and MPEG's
[02:39] <kanuha> ok
[02:40] <camden> howdy folks.
[02:40] <camden> I have a quick question.
[02:40] <gnuts> hi
[02:40] <DocUb> when I get time here in a few mins I'll let you see the plugins I have for my totem to make it load the files
[02:40] <membreya> DocUb: sorry, I don't use totem :( and I only just reinstalled this morning
[02:40] <gnuts> this is the most active linux chat I've seen
[02:41] <gnuts> any chance you use mplayer?
[02:41] <benz240> yeah its pretty unbelieveable there are over 500 people in here
[02:41] <nxot> lol
[02:41] <DocUb> I just got it installed and needing a good reboot, brb
[02:41] <benz240> i thought firefox channel was big
[02:41] <nxot> how many of them you think are real people?
[02:41] <gnuts> DocUb uses mplayer?
[02:41] <benz240> 10
[02:41] <nxot> prolly about 1/4
[02:41] <DocUb> yea
[02:41] <membreya> no ...nxot, go here http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-02/msg00082.html
[02:41] <xthepic> ubuntu is the best distro i've used. i understand why it's popular.
[02:41] <gnuts> I'm trying to install mplayer-586 with synaptic (marillat and multiverse enabled) but it requires newer versions of libfontconfig1 and libvorbis than are available, is there a solution that isn't too complex?
[02:42] <odyssey> as apposed to non-real people?
[02:42] <benz240> what are you saying theres 300 bots?
[02:42] <benz240> or dupes?
[02:42] <benz240> what
[02:42] <nxot> room fillers
[02:42] <nxot> like on xdcc chans
[02:42] <camden> so... ut2004.... no sound... I think I have alsa installed.
[02:42] <benz240> oh really
[02:42] <odyssey> gnuts, remove the marillat repo
[02:42] <camden> any ideas?
[02:42] <Ironfrost> nxot - there's no point to that here
[02:42] <gnuts> ok, why?
[02:43] <EricNeon> morning all
[02:43] <idn__> gnuts: get VLC!!! that would make everything easy
[02:43] <Ironfrost> just people who came but didn't bother to log out
[02:43] <nxot> lol.
[02:43] <nxot> yeah
[02:43] <benz240> yeah thats what i thought
[02:43] <nxot> im sure
[02:43] <nxot> just like xdcc chans
[02:43] <nxot> :D
[02:43] <gnuts> what is vlc?
[02:43] <benz240> what would be the point of pumping up a linux help channel?
[02:43] <Ironfrost> gnuts - http://www.videolan.org/vlc
[02:43] <Ironfrost> it's a media player
[02:43] <idn__> its a media player that does everything out of the box
[02:43] <Ironfrost> a bloody good one too
[02:43] <idn__> its brilliant
[02:43] <idn__> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=81&original=1&c=newimages
[02:44] <jordanau> anyone using xfce? and are you happy with it?
[02:44] <idn__> theres a pic of it on my desktop
[02:44] <kbrooks> benz240, "pumping up"?
[02:44] <gnuts> ok, i don't suppose it is in synaptic?
[02:44] <idn__> apt-get install vlc should work
[02:44] <idn__> you may have to uncomment the extra repositries if you cant see it
[02:44] <benz240> well whats the point of having "room fillers"?
[02:44] <etranger> hi, I'm having trouble running LimeWire on a vanilla hoary installation.
[02:45] <etranger> I have followed the instructions from ubuntuguide.org
[02:45] <etranger> but limewire freezes
[02:45] <idn__> estranger, get gift, way better
[02:45] <nxot> benz240; higher user level
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> nxot: which is good.. how
[02:45] <benz240> ah
[02:45] <idn__> gnuts: any luck?
[02:46] <nxot> membreya; that link isn't any help
[02:46] <gnuts> it is in synaptic and downloading
[02:46] <nxot> i dont get a GRUB error 21
[02:46] <jordanau> idn__, that is a great looking desktop, are those the d3a icons
[02:46] <nxot> i get GRUB Hard Disk Error
[02:46] <nxot> and thats it
[02:46] <idn__> yeah, thanks dude
[02:46] <idn__> i wrote a playlist view for my desktop to integrate with vlc :)
[02:47] <gnuts> totem, after I got all the extras, didn't have a very good piture from DVD
[02:47] <idn__> its uses the d3a theme as well, that guys a genious
[02:47] <jordanau> idn__, mine would look like that if gdesklets wasn't so screwy on my comp
[02:47] <nxterra> I have a clean install of hoary-gnome is a bit laggy with default nvidia drivers or loading the glx drivers...any suggestions? anyone use fluxbox? (My system is P4 1.8 512 rambus) thanks
[02:47] <idn__> lol
[02:47] <idn__> it took me ages i tweaked lots of the code to get it all ooking the same
[02:47] <nxterra> opening a window in gnome requires ~70% resources
[02:48] <idn__> the last apt update i did messed them all tho
[02:48] <jordanau> idn__, that sucks
[02:48] <gnuts> ouch
[02:48] <membreya> nxot: do you have more than one harddrive?
[02:48] <nxot> no
[02:48] <idn__> yeah, got them kinda back to how they were, get some random error message everything i log in now, its probably the gdesklet i wrote tho :)
[02:48] <jordanau> idn__, as soon as planeshift finishes updating, i am going to get xfce and try it out i didn't like flux or icewm
[02:49] <stevenj> jordanau, is gnome laggy for you too?
[02:49] <Ironfrost> General question:
[02:49] <idn__> i tried xfce, not as eyecandy as gnome
[02:49] <jordanau> stevenj, not really laggy, the minimize animation is as ugly as hell
[02:49] <Ironfrost> someone was asking last night but never got a good answer - are there any decent RTS games that will run on Linux?
[02:49] <Ironfrost> (including commercial software)
[02:49] <jordanau> idn__, i like eyecandy
[02:49] <idn__> i know its not as resource hungry, but I have a pretty powerful PC, AMD64 etc etc so i may as well use it
[02:49] <Ironfrost> ?#
[02:50] <jordanau> Ironfrost, you can get cedega and run warcraft 3 and others
[02:50] <gnuts> wha t is RTS?
[02:50] <idn__> lol, me to, im in HCI so eye candy is everything, people are more productive in comfortable environments
[02:50] <idn__> thats why i reckon usplash is so important to get into the disto
[02:50] <odyssey> idn__, HCI?
[02:50] <gnuts> ahh, real time strategy?
[02:50] <jordanau> idn__, that is why i didn't like flux or icewm just ugly
[02:50] <stevenj> jordanau, I was looking at planeshift at work--how does compare with other mmorpgs? everq, etc.?
[02:50] <idn__> human computer interaction
[02:50] <bob2> er, eyecandy is orthogonal to HCI
[02:50] <idn__> deals with how people use computers
[02:50] <jordanau> stevenj, its free thats all i care
[02:51] <jordanau> stevenj, it is also in development not complete
[02:51] <daniels> idn__: surely incredibly shiny but unusable is worse than ugly but eminently usable?
[02:51] <Ironfrost> gnuts - yep, that's the one
[02:51] <idn__> eyecandy is about making people feel they are in a professional working environment
[02:51] <Ironfrost> how much does cedega cost?
[02:51] <bob2> daniels: like kde!
[02:51] <gnuts> just took me a second
[02:51] <stevenj> jordanau, I know I was just wondering...I would never pay for something like that
[02:51] <idn__> they work better like that
[02:51] <idn__> i agree tho, eyecandy shouldnt come at the expence or functionality, but why cant we have both?
[02:52] <kanuha> I got the plug in DocUB, thanks for the help
[02:52] <bob2> right
[02:52] <Yomic> Can anyone help me reinstall Win98?
[02:52] <bob2> and ponies for everyone, too
[02:52] <jordanau> enlightment looks promising but i dont think it is ready for someone like me
[02:52] <stevenj> Yomic, I have a windows ME guide
[02:52] <idn__> enlightment isnt great, tries it and hated it :)
[02:52] <stevenj> :o
[02:52] <idn__> but its whatever your comfortable with
[02:52] <darkaudit> jordanau: what's ugly about fluxbox?
[02:53] <jordanau> Ironfrost, 5 bucks a month although i hear you can get the CVS free, i may be wrong though
[02:53] <\sh> enlightenment looks good but it's not usable for daily work
[02:53] <stevenj> I just installed fluxbox a min ago...do I just log out and somehow choose it?
[02:53] <jordanau> darkaudit, all of the themes just don't look that good, if i really cared i guess i could make my own...
[02:53] <idn__> i didnt think enlightenment looked that great
[02:54] <jordanau> idn__, enlightenment takes eyecandy too far, animated flames on the bottom of your screen
[02:54] <darkaudit> jordanau: I'm guessing you looked at the sets on freshmeat as well? I've been using LintherBrushed for several months now
[02:54] <jr_G-man> can anybody help with my RAID setup?
[02:54] <jr_G-man> I get i/o errors on bootup....
[02:54] <jr_G-man> but, I've never configured the RAID as of yet
[02:55] <darkaudit> jr_G-man: such as check of filesystem failed?
[02:55] <jordanau> darkaudit, i will check it out couse i would be interested in using it if it looked good
[02:55] <merlin__> any info on how to re-build an ubuntu CD
[02:55] <jr_G-man> a search at ubuntuforums.org yields that i should use dmraid...
[02:55] <jr_G-man> put i don't appear to have it installed...
[02:55] <jr_G-man> and apt-get can't find it
[02:55] <merlin__> (i.e. Is there a wiki page somewhere or at least the necessary 1.44/2.88 boot image to modify somewhere?)
[02:55] <mathmatt> anyone know how to get tv out working properly?  I can see everything just fine while booting on the TV until x starts, then I get a completely distorted image.
[02:55] <knucks> so who wants to help me figure out why ipod's mounting as readonly?
[02:56] <jr_G-man> i get this in 'dmesg':
[02:56] <jr_G-man> hdk: task_in_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[02:56] <jr_G-man> hdk: task_in_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=234452422, sector=234452422
[02:56] <idn__> does anyone know what filesystem ipods use?
[02:56] <jordanau> knucks, i have noexperience with it but permissions come to mind
[02:56] <pepsi> idn__, either HFS or FAT32
[02:56] <vasi> idn__, i believe they use FAT
[02:56] <knucks> jordanau - how do i check..
[02:56] <acidhax> hey i have the hoary livecd, is there a way to install ubuntu through the livecd?
[02:56] <knucks> idn_ mine is the FAT one
[02:56] <pepsi> wel what did you use it on? a mac or a pc?
[02:56] <smo> HFS "out of the box", the windows installer converts to fat32
[02:56] <Reblended> Is it dangerous for me to set a 4gig partition on an xp machine to run ubuntu?
[02:56] <jordanau> knucks, i forgot :)
[02:56] <Reblended> (and can I expand that partition or add one?)
[02:57] <jordanau> knucks, wait and i will tell you
[02:57] <darkaudit> Reblended: maybe not dangerous, but that is *way* small :)
[02:57] <smo> idn__: sudo file -s /dev/foo   will tell you what filesystem
[02:57] <pepsi> are the breezy repos up yet?
[02:57] <pepsi> and why the change to "breezy"?
[02:57] <pepsi> i liked "grumpy"
[02:57] <nxot> so i guess you can't help me then?
[02:57] <bob2> breezy is accepting uploads
[02:57] <idn__> yeah i dont have one i was just interested :)
[02:58] <bob2> nxot: did you show us the error yet?
[02:58] <helio7> Since I've upgraded from Warty to Hoary, my system has crashed completely a couple of times, cursor frozen, keyboard inactive, have to hit 'reset' where should I look to see what might be causing this?
[02:58] <darkaudit> pepsi: 9~i think they're still recovering from the Hoary release parties :)
[02:58] <pepsi> ahhh, well then
[02:58] <gnuts> ok, vlc works straight away. Its a little choppy though, can I tweak it?
[02:58] <idn__> some guy on slashdot managed to raid a bunch of them togethor
[02:58] <jordanau> knucks, type mount
[02:58] <Reblended> darkaudit, great... so, if I install from the Ubuntu Hoary CD, will I have the option to partition? (of course I will defrag an such first)
[02:58] <bob2> Reblended: yes
[02:58] <jordanau> knucks, look for r or w
[02:58] <idn__> gnuts: tweak it in what way? what are you trying to play
[02:58] <acidhax> i have the hoary livecd, is there a way to install ubuntu through the livecd?
[02:58] <Reblended> bob2, ty
[02:58] <nxot> bob2; YES
[02:58] <vasi> acidhax, sorry no
[02:58] <nxot> it said
[02:58] <gnuts> shrek2 dvd, sound and video have little jerks
[02:59] <knucks> jordanau:
[02:59] <nxot> GRUB Hard Disk Error
[02:59] <nxot> thats it
[02:59] <acidhax> nooo
[02:59] <knucks> i get /dev/sda2 on /media/IPOD type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[02:59] <bob2> nxot: that's the entire text on the screen?
[02:59] <acidhax> r u serious
[02:59] <nxot> yes
[02:59] <nxot> thats all
[02:59] <Reblended> acidhax, I've installed programs using liveCD tho... (just for that session)
[02:59] <idn__> hmmm, i think there is a lib you need like libcss2dvd
[02:59] <idn__> or something like that
[02:59] <acidhax> damn so i have to download the other image
[02:59] <acidhax> gay.
[02:59] <idn__> should already be installed tho if you have VLC
[02:59] <darkaudit> Reblended: I'd suggest using something like qtparted or Partition Magic to set up the new partitions first... the install disc won't be able to resize existing partitions
[02:59] <membreya> nxot: I'm sorry I couldn't help, the only info I could find on that error was with multiple HDD's
[02:59] <bob2> acidhax: well, you could have just asked before downloading anything
[02:59] <jordanau> knucks, can you write as root?
[02:59] <acidhax> bob2, or not?
[02:59] <knucks> manually..yes
[03:00] <gnuts> got that one, so it decodes and plays. it just skips
[03:00] <knucks> but through GTKPOD i cannot
[03:00] <knucks> tells me it cannot open the certain file for writing
[03:00] <helio7> If i completely remove firefox from my system what should I backup besides my bookmarks?
[03:00] <Reblended> darkaudit, well, if the install cd is able to partition... I'd like to keep it basic
[03:00] <DocUb> who has realplayers lates version?
[03:00] <jordanau> knucks, that is as much as i can tell you then
[03:00] <nxot> so does ubunut just not work?
[03:00] <knucks> it used to work..and then i dont know what happened and it seems to be only readonly
[03:00] <acidhax> i read somewhere about a net install
[03:00] <nxot> ubuntu*
[03:00] <jordanau> knucks, run stkpod in terminal with sudo
[03:00] <nxot> i mean you can tell me
[03:00] <idn__> gnuts: bit wierd, the DVD ok?
[03:00] <propagandhi83> ubuntu works beautifully in the right hands
[03:00] <jordanau> knucks, gtkpod rather
[03:00] <knucks> k
[03:00] <kanuha> Merlin, I heard that the video resolution has to be set at 800X640 and also check the refresh rate
[03:00] <gnuts> yea, plays fine
[03:00] <DocUb> Who runs RealPlayer, and is showng version 8.0.11
[03:00] <Reblended> on my sony vaio laptop, the live CD hangs while ... vmlinuz is initializing....
[03:01] <DocUb> on Ubuntu
[03:01] <chavo> nxot, no we're all running BeOS.
[03:01] <darkaudit> Reblended: the install disc works more like fdisk... it cannot resize existing...
[03:01] <bob2> helio7: removing the package has no effect on your bookmarks
[03:01] <Reblended> should I turn off nodma?
[03:01] <bob2> nxot: it works for the vast majority of people
[03:01] <helio7> bob2: If I'm on hoary I should be showing firefox version 1.02 right?
[03:01] <bob2> nxot: I'm sorry you're having a problem, but there's no need to get pissed at people you don't even know
[03:01] <knucks> nope same errors
[03:01] <idn__> i dont know then, i havent tried to play a DVD yet on my machine, VLC works perfectly for all other formats tho, which is a blessing if your on an AMD54 platform
[03:01] <idn__> no win32 codecs
[03:01] <nxot> bob2; if i was pissed i'd burn your house down, now is there a fire?
[03:01] <bob2> helio7: yes
[03:01] <bob2> nxot: yay for teen angst
[03:02] <nxot> not even
[03:02] <nxot> do fuck with a sociopath
[03:02] <Reblended> darkaudit, got it... well, I have a systemrescueCD (linux boot cd) and it hangs at the point of recognizing the network or something
[03:02] <chavo> nxot, I'll PM you my address. Bring it on.
[03:02] <nxot> it'll get you along ways
[03:02] <idn__> sorry it didnt meet your expecations gnuts
[03:02] <bob2> nxot: anyway, death threats are kinda off-topic
[03:02] <nxot> chavo; 2229 Rando Lane Atlanta Ga 30309
[03:02] <idn__> maybe its something to do with your graphics card drivers slowing it down
[03:02] <nxot> u aint hard son
[03:03] <gnuts> hey, no problem, I've been trying so many things learning linux it's all valuable
[03:03] <Reblended> darkaudit, recommend some oss partition site? (partitioning won't mess with my current xp install, I hope)
[03:03] <chavo> nxot, nice knowing you.
[03:03] <DocUb> ACK! even Beep Media Player sucks
[03:03] <knucks> UGH
[03:03] <knucks> why doesnt my ipod work
[03:03] <knucks> impissed
[03:03] <gnuts> ok, so which media player is the best?
[03:03] <GRedner> what do I need to do to configure a wireless interface?  In the "network settings" pane, it says that my wireless connection is not configured, but the ubuntu wiki says nothing about how to configure it
[03:03] <darkaudit> Reblended: qtparted is standard on most distros... most live CDs include a copy, esp. Knoppix
[03:04] <tolar> can anyone point me in the direction of how to set up my netgear wg511 wireless card in ubuntu?  ndiswrapper says my driver's invalid...
[03:04] <membreya> DocUb: VLC for video files, amarok for mp3's and the like :P
[03:04] <holycow> knucks, what do you mean 'doesn't work'
[03:04] <idn__> well i still say VLC :)
[03:04] <knucks> only mounts as readonly
[03:04] <knucks> i cannot change rights on anything
[03:04] <jordanau> knucks, what does the error say?
[03:04] <Quest-Master> Yomic
[03:04] <Quest-Master> PM
[03:04] <knucks> its an error within gtkpod.
[03:04] <knucks> cannot open itunesdb for wrtingin
[03:04] <Reblended> darkaudit, ty... unfortunatly knoppix stops loading at the predicted point also...
[03:04] <helio7> bob2:  I had it installed originally inside my home dir (which I know was wrong), so I'm planning on uninstalling/reinstalling.  Do you think that firefox being installed wrong could be responsible for causing the whole system to crash?
[03:04] <bur[n] er> anyone know if Breezy repos are active yet?
[03:04] <bob2> helio7: no
[03:05] <dandesmet> i have a hard drive with windows xp installed, and i wanted to install ubuntu, so i got a second hard drive
[03:05] <idn__> search aptitude for a DVD player maybe
[03:05] <dandesmet> can i make it a slave of the current hard drive, and install ubuntu
[03:05] <bur[n] er> gnuts: amarok :)
[03:05] <bob2> bur[n] er: it's acceptign uploads, you can yourself check if it's on archive.u.c yet
[03:05] <dandesmet> and not mess up my windows xp at all?
[03:05] <Quest-Master> Try Ogle for DVDs
[03:05] <idn__> totem is ok, but werent you having problems with that?
[03:05] <Quest-Master> Gxine isn't bad either
[03:05] <holycow> neat i didn't know there was a gtkpod dealy
[03:05] <holycow> heh
[03:05] <DanglyBits> noobie question...how can i load adobe reader 7 for ubuntu?
[03:05] <bur[n] er> oh right... thanks bob2
[03:05] <idn__> i used Ogle under debian, worked fine for me
[03:05] <gnuts> yea, couldn't get ogle to play the dvd
[03:05] <idn__> supports chapters and things like that
[03:05] <holycow> dandesmet, don't do that
[03:05] <darkaudit> DanglyBits: IIRC the Marillat repo has it
[03:05] <dandesmet> why not?
[03:06] <holycow> dandesmet, if your a newb just install ubuntu on the new drive
[03:06] <gnuts> totem does, bad picture, vlc now does little bit skippy
[03:06] <holycow> dandesmet, learn to get comfy in it
[03:06] <dandesmet> that's my plan
[03:06] <gnuts> just  a sec
[03:06] <dandesmet> but can i install it on the second hard drive, if the second one is a slave to the first?
[03:06] <holycow> dandesmet, then y ou can can attach xp as slave and copy files over safely
[03:06] <bur[n] er> gnuts: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[03:06] <bob2> dandesmet: sure
[03:06] <holycow> dandesmet, sure
[03:06] <dandesmet> that's what i want to do
[03:06] <jordanau> knucks, do you think you should make IPOD lowercase?
[03:06] <helio7> bob2: where would you look if your system was crashing? a few times now I've had to use hard reset because everything froze.  Since firefox isn't updated like it should be, I figured I'd installed it wrong, and since it was one of the few apps running on crash, I thought it might be the culprit
[03:07] <bob2> helio7: if your machine hard locks, it's a kernel bug
[03:07] <knucks> jordanau - it used to work fine
[03:07] <membreya> gnuts: you're getting choppy playback in DVDs?
[03:07] <bob2> helio7: or maybe X, but that's pretty unlikely
[03:07] <holycow> dandesmet, if you have never done this, i wouldn't be doing that tho, i can foresee you hosing your xp install very nicely
[03:07] <knucks> last 2-3 weeks its been IPOD and has worked
[03:07] <bob2> helio7: it's not an nforce, is it?
[03:07] <knucks> its not a problem with the naming
[03:07] <knucks> its something with rights
[03:07] <gnuts> totem-xine
[03:07] <helio7> bob2 how can you fix a kernel bug?  nvidia yeah
[03:07] <knucks> or maybe the ipod
[03:07] <jordanau> knucks, it just quit out of nowhere?
[03:07] <knucks> or ubuntu mounting it
[03:07] <dandesmet> well, the installer gives you an option of which hard drive to install to, correct?
[03:07] <knucks> yeah
[03:07] <gnuts> membreya: yes
[03:07] <darkaudit> gnuts: you've already done hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd?
[03:07] <holycow> dandesmet, the only point i'm making is practice on something you can afford to loose, otherwise as bob2 says, it's doable
[03:07] <jordanau> knucks, since hoary upgrade?
[03:07] <dandesmet> well, i can ghost my xp drive
[03:08] <knucks> well
[03:08] <knucks> hmm
[03:08] <gnuts> no, little too nooby to know that one
[03:08] <knucks> it "worked" on the new hoary..
[03:08] <bob2> helio7: are you using the proprietar ynvidia drivers?
[03:08] <membreya> gnuts: enabled DMA on your drive?
[03:08] <knucks> but then quit
[03:08] <knucks> so yes
[03:08] <gnuts> yes,
[03:08] <holycow> dandesmet, i'm not answering any more questions, noobs have no business setting up dual boot systems, especially with 'real live working' windows machines
[03:08] <lmurillo2> I can't apt-get anything it gives me a bunch of errors :S
[03:08] <gnuts> on the dvd drive?
[03:08] <helio7> yes bob2 I am using the proprietary drivers
[03:08] <membreya> yes gnuts
[03:08] <darkaudit> gnuts: yeah... run this: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[03:09] <bob2> helio7: disable them and see if it helps
[03:09] <helio7> bob2: same ones that worked under warty, I heard I might have to unistall them, but everything has been *mostly* ok
[03:09] <gnuts> membreya: dont know
[03:09] <bob2> lmurillo2: then paste the errords to #flood
[03:09] <darkaudit> it'll turn on DMA for the drive
[03:09] <lmurillo2> bob2: ok, one sec
[03:09] <membreya> gnuts: look at darkaudit's comment :)
[03:09] <helio7> bob2: easiest way to disable the nvidia drivers? does that require an uninstall?
[03:09] <bob2> helio7: do the wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto thing backwards
[03:10] <bob2> helio7: no need to uninstal lthem as long as you don't load the module and tell X to use nv instead
[03:10] <helio7> ok
[03:10] <gnuts> ok DMA on
[03:10] <lmurillo2> bob2: that's one of the errors I get
[03:10] <lmurillo2> and I get a lot more that look just like it
[03:10] <bob2> that's very screwed
[03:10] <Reblended> can I get kde packages run on Ubuntu?
[03:10] <Quest-Master> Reblended: yes
[03:10] <gnuts> hey, that made ogle work
[03:10] <darkaudit> membreya: the first time I used Ubuntu to burn a DVD, it ran at 1x on my 16x drive... I was ready to throw the distro off a bridge until I saw that DMA was disabled by default
[03:10] <bob2> run 'sudo apt-get update' and paste the whole error to #flood
[03:11] <bob2> Reblended: #kubuntu
[03:11] <Reblended> Quest-Master, do I need kbuntu?
[03:11] <Reblended> ahhh
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Reblended: You don't need it
[03:11] <membreya> lol darkaudit at least you could enable it ..too me ages to figure out how :P
[03:11] <Reblended> Quest-Master, I don't need kubuntu?
[03:11] <propagandhi83> Reblended: u can get it with apt or synaptic
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Reblended: I run some KDE apps. on my Gnome
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Reblended: you don't.
[03:11] <Reblended> Quest-Master, great!
[03:11] <membreya> darkaudit: mainly because of modules that I needed to load
[03:11] <Reblended> Quest-Master, so, if it doesn't work.. then kbuntu is like a helper or something?
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Reblended: They will work. ;)
[03:12] <Reblended> Quest-Master, great!
[03:12] <calc> darkaudit: ubuntu also had a bug (i think its fixed now) that would cause dma not to able to be enabled
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Reblended: Kubuntu is just all of the packages AND KDE packaged into one
[03:12] <gnuts> ok - vlc no skippy! thanks! now, which player should I keep?
[03:12] <Reblended> Quest-Master, ahh, ty, I want as little running as possible
[03:13] <darkaudit> membreya: it took all day Fri. to figure out why my SATA drive was failing to initialize properly... items in the boot seq. were coming up before the drive was ready
[03:13] <gnuts> my first cd --> ogg took 20 minutes, is that why?
[03:13] <Reblended> any tips from sony vaio laptop Ubuntu users?
[03:13] <calc> gnuts: perhaps, cdparanoia is very good at ripping though so it runs slower on some drives/media
[03:13] <holycow> Reblended, none, if you got it working you are lucky
[03:14] <darkaudit> gnuts: yep... with DMA on you'll see a big speed increase w/ your drive :)
[03:14] <Reblended> holycow, lol thx
[03:14] <jordanau> darkaudit, i am downloading lintherbrushed now :)
[03:14] <calc> gnuts: i have had disks that itunes couldn't rip at all which were perfect with cdparanoia
[03:14] <Reblended> holycow, I checked out Ark... I don't want a windows clone =p
[03:14] <gnuts> is cdparanoia the default with Hoary?
[03:14] <Reblended> holycow, I love the mac-look of ubuntu
[03:14] <holycow> ark *shrug* whatever floats the boat i guess
[03:15] <holycow> Reblended, so do it, the windows metaphors are terrible, especially in xp
[03:15] <holycow> so do i even
[03:15] <dazed|> im bored n' need something to do ~!!!
[03:15] <darkaudit> jordanau: hint for LintherBrushed... the intended fonts need antialiasing turned on
[03:15] <holycow> dazed|, send me money
[03:15] <membreya> lol, my log for #ubuntu has just clocked past 15megabytes ;)
[03:15] <dazed|> thats always fun
[03:15] <holycow> dazed|, if you don't have any figure out how to make some so you can send it to me
[03:15] <Reblended> dazed|, come over and get my computer up and running on ubuntu
[03:15] <holycow> >_>
[03:15] <dazed|> Reblended, whats wrong wwith it?
[03:15] <gnuts> nope, sound juicer
[03:16] <Reblended> dazed|, or go to #blender and learn how to do 3D animation on your linux box
[03:16] <dazed|> i can do 3D ani on windows...never tried on nix
[03:16] <Reblended> dazed|, I'm trying to make a disk image of my HD and then load ubuntu
[03:16] <dazed|> but why cant u get ubu up?
[03:16] <dazed|> ahh
[03:16] <dazed|> ill leave that to u
[03:16] <jordanau> darkaudit, how do you do that?
[03:16] <darkaudit> dazed|: go over to #debian and make mwilson cry :)
[03:16] <holycow> maya happens to be the same on linux dazed| :)
[03:16] <Arnia> But Blender is open :)
[03:17] <Reblended> well, the live CD hangs right after vmlinuz tries to load, dazed|
[03:17] <dazed|> hey no one got #freenode cuz they all asses
[03:17] <holycow> Arnia, hehe and quite decent too infact
[03:17] <dazed|> Reblended, no good at all ...
[03:17] <daniels> dazed|: #ubuntu doesn't care about that
[03:17] <darkaudit> jordanau: when you right click to bring up the fluxbox menu, go to Configuration
[03:17] <dazed|> daniels, no one cares about u!
[03:17] <Reblended> dazed|, what I thought.. might have to type nodma, perhaps?
[03:17] <] BreliC[> what's the default CD burning app on Ubuntu?
[03:17] <Arnia> holycow: Its very very impressive now. I am more impressed with Inkscape though
[03:17] <dazed|> Reblended, perhaps...i really couldnt tell you i dont like live cd's too many unpacking mistaeks
[03:18] <gnuts> when I try to mark totem for removal it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop as well, does that mean more than I want to remove?
[03:18] <Reblended> UBurn2,  ] BreliC[ ?
[03:18] <lmurillo2> grr, ok, g2g
[03:18] <lmurillo2> bbiab
[03:18] <Reblended> ] BreliC[ j/k
[03:18] <] BreliC[> heh
[03:18] <fissy> the nautilus cd burner
[03:18] <holycow> Arnia, i still haven't managed to try the cvs version you told me about
[03:18] <jordanau> darkaudit, thanks
[03:18] <Reblended> dazed|, the liveCD FLEW on my sis's p4
[03:18] <jordanau> darkaudit, i am also getting xfce right now
[03:18] <membreya> k3b makes me happy :D
[03:18] <dazed|> Reblended, what are u running...and why you make ur sister run nix?
[03:18] <dazed|> lol
[03:18] <Reblended> Nautilus = UBurntu
[03:19] <Arnia> holycow: Its really really nice. They may be working up to a .42 release now cos they're really pushing hard on their release target of GTKmming the UI
[03:19] <Reblended> dazed|, I showed her programs that only ran on nix.. and she started drooling
[03:19] <jordanau> very soon i will have the most bloated ubuntu install ever BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
[03:19] <kbrooks> jordanau, and you are installing what
[03:19] <dazed|> Reblended, lol if my sister could figure out hwo to run XP i might show her nix...she knows how to click on aol and burn a CD
[03:19] <membreya> jordanau: less than 24 hours after install ..my kubuntu is 2.5gb :P
[03:20] <Reblended> dazed|, I'm gonna get a machine (I hope) like her's if mine won't do it...
[03:20] <helio7> Can anyone who's already fixed Firefox+Flash+Hoary+Audio*** let me know the easiest path?
[03:20] <holycow> Arnia, hows their move to gtkmm going?  i gotta visit their site i think and read up
[03:20] <jordanau> kbrooks, i just install anything that looks interesting and never remove anything
[03:20] <Reblended> dazed|, I forgive you for saying *OL
[03:20] <helio7> (audio being the key problem in that equation)
[03:20] <dazed|> Reblended, did i comit a crime? i say LOL all the TIME!
[03:20] <kbrooks> jordanau, anything that looks interesting?
[03:20] <Arnia> holycow: Bryce said in a recent email that they've got the core of the chrome done (barring status bar and context menus) and are trying to wrap the SVG renderer into it now
[03:20] <kbrooks> jordanau, tell me what loks interesting :D
[03:20] <Reblended> dazed|, none of my family has EVER used the wicked A*L, I got them hooked to plain-n-simple cable broadband
[03:21] <holycow> dazed|, i'm doing a pilot project with a regular user and hoary actually, hopefully in the next couple of weeks, going to be interesting in a non work environment
[03:21] <Reblended> dazed|, and all the free stuf on the net that AO* charges for
[03:21] <Arnia> holycow: Jon Cruz is building a general set of dialog/panel classes that will allow everything to be docked in and out
[03:21] <dandesmet> holycow: i'm back...what if i pull out my windows xp hard drive, put in the new one, install ubuntu on that, and then put the windows xp drive back in as the master, and copy over the boot sector from the new hard drive?
[03:21] <dazed|> Reblended, BECAUSE my family got hooked on the god forsake A*L i havent been on a better connection then 56k cuz they just can't change their email addressses...i go off to college and get stuck with THE ONLY DORM without access to campus internet...i cant get away from dreaded dial up
[03:22] <propagandhi83> dandesmet: that seems like a strange way of doing things
[03:22] <dazed|> holycow, need some help?
[03:22] <darkaudit> afk...
[03:22] <dandesmet> what would the best way be?
[03:22] <jordanau> kbrooks, xfce, cowsay, blender, armagatron, any others i think of i will let you know
[03:22] <holycow> dandesmet, what i would really suggest is you buy one more hd, install xp on that, add ubuntu hd as slave, and practice setting up dual boot
[03:22] <] BreliC[> what is uburntu?  can't find the default burning app (sorry, new to gnome)
[03:22] <jordanau> btw armagatron is the shit
[03:22] <kbrooks> jordanau, what is cowsay
[03:22] <holycow> dandesmet, if you succeed, copying your files over to new xp hd is easy, and you aren't taking any chances
[03:22] <jordanau> its is caw that says stuff in terminal
[03:22] <jordanau> caw/cow
[03:22] <kbrooks> ] BreliC[, and uburntu is a joke name
[03:22] <dazed|> ] BreliC[, try getting k3b much better for burning
[03:23] <knucks> whats a command to unmoun something
[03:23] <] BreliC[> kbrooks, ahh
[03:23] <jordanau> unmount?
[03:23] <dazed|> knucks, umount
[03:23] <DanglyBits> darkaudit...the marillat repo for acroread 7 is that for amd64 as well?
[03:23] <dazed|> u*mount
[03:23] <dandesmet> well, i don't want to chage the xp hd at all...i just want ubuntu on the slave, and nothing about the xp drive changed
[03:23] <knucks> umount?
[03:23] <knucks> k
[03:23] <Reblended> dazed|, well, sry for you, but I'm netless when I'm at home... (no powerlines, phonelines, can't afford satNET)
[03:23] <dazed|> welcome to linux
[03:23] <propagandhi83> dandesmet: doesnt the ubuntu install detect windows
[03:23] <] BreliC[> dazed|, thanks.  i already got it, i was just wonderng if gnome had a default one
[03:23] <dandesmet> i do not know
[03:23] <kbrooks> propagandhi83, yes
[03:23] <dazed|> Reblended, satnet has gone down to about 40 a month
[03:23] <holycow> DanglyBits, while you are trying acroread ... please consider tryin evince, it is nice, has search and copy functions and actually uses gnome file and print dialogs
[03:23] <kbrooks> dandesmet, yes
[03:24] <jordanau> brb i am gonna try xfce
[03:24] <holycow> DanglyBits, just a tip :)
[03:24] <propagandhi83> so whats the problem again??
[03:24] <dandesmet> i have a shiny new hd with nothing on it, and i want ubuntu on it as a slave to the current hd, with nothing on the current one changed
[03:24] <dazed|> Reblended, just very unstable espescially in bad weather
[03:24] <propagandhi83> okay, so have u tried to do the install yet??
[03:24] <kbrooks> meh
[03:24] <dazed|> real fast though
[03:24] <DanglyBits> thanks cow..
[03:24] <kbrooks> nothing
[03:24] <dandesmet> nope...hd should be here on thursday
[03:25] <holycow> propagandhi83, he has never done a dual boot install and is a linux noob, please don't help him hang him self :)
[03:25] <DanglyBits> noobie question...how can i load adobe reader 7 for ubuntu-amd64?
[03:25] <propagandhi83> that wasnt my intention, I was just enquiring as to the situation
[03:25] <dazed|> dualbooting dual HD's is much more confusing then dual booting a partioned hd
[03:25] <holycow> dandesmet, i don't mean to be negative at all, i'm just trying to make absolutely sure you don't hose your xp :)
[03:25] <holycow> propagandhi83, *nod* :)
[03:26] <dandesmet> well, i fugred the easiest possible thing would be a new hd
[03:26] <dandesmet> *figured
[03:26] <dandesmet> what makes a single hd easier?
[03:26] <holycow> dandesmet, it is you did the right thing but ...
[03:26] <kbrooks> dandesmet, partitions
[03:26] <kbrooks> holycow, but what? :O
[03:26] <membreya> holycow: hosing XP is no great loss
[03:26] <holycow> you still run the risk of hosing your xp hd, you have never setup dual boot before and are planing on learning on a live install with all your data
[03:27] <dazed|> dandesmet: is this ur first nix distro?
[03:27] <membreya> it's like stubbing your toe
[03:27] <dandesmet> i use suse in the cs lab here
[03:27] <kbrooks> membreya, CUT IT
[03:27] <dandesmet> i've never installed it myself
[03:27] <membreya> :P
[03:27] <holycow> membreya, hehe
[03:27] <Reblended> dazed|, awesome... thx for the encouragement.. I don't care about unstable
[03:27] <propagandhi83> dandesmet: if u want real help, there are plenty of guides on the web
[03:27] <Reblended> dazed|, what isp do you recommend?
[03:27] <kbrooks> propagandhi83, PLEASE
[03:27] <propagandhi83> its how i learnt that kind of stuff when i started out
[03:27] <dandesmet> can you point me in the right direction?
[03:27] <kbrooks> propagandhi83, he is a COMPLETE LINUX NEWBIE
[03:28] <Reblended> dazed|, I can't get an install tech when I live... any portable ones?
[03:28] <propagandhi83> kbrooks??
[03:28] <kbrooks> Do you expect him to RTFM, propagandhi83?
[03:28] <Reblended> dazed|, when- where
[03:28] <dazed|> dandesmet, i suggest using a live cd or try partitioning out a single hd before u go full blown into nix and lose ur windows hard drive cuz thats what happened to me (in the long run its been best) but i dont suggest that pain on anyone
[03:28] <dandesmet> i've used the livecd
[03:28] <Xeon3D> propagandhi83, check the Ubuntu code of conduct...
[03:28] <propagandhi83> kbrooks - if he's keen to learn, he will
[03:28] <jordanau> for some odd reason restarting x takes me to terminal log in, how do i get back to my splash screen?
[03:29] <kbrooks> propagandhi83, no. i mean
[03:29] <dazed|> Reblended, My friend has a good sat net provider id have to talk to him as for installation...im pretty sure u need sat tv to have it going, but that comes free with any satelite package
[03:29] <dazed|> s
[03:29] <kbrooks> *you*
[03:29] <Xeon3D> Telling people to read 200 pages of man pages is not really helpful.
[03:29] <GarySaved> How do I go about mounting a floppy, so my kid can use it at school?
[03:29] <propagandhi83> I didnt tell him to read 200 pages of man pages
[03:29] <holycow> jordanau, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:29] <propagandhi83> dont insinuate that i did
[03:29] <Xeon3D> propagandhi83, it was an example.
[03:29] <dazed|> Reblended, there are PORTABLE dsl modems that are completely wireless that are amazing about 80-100 a month
[03:29] <kbrooks> propagandhi83, are *you* capable of helping anyone?
[03:29] <propagandhi83> i merely told him the information is there
[03:29] <propagandhi83> kbrooks - yes, are you?
[03:29] <membreya> jordanau: you might want to check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:29] <Reblended> dazed|, remember I'm not in range to any towers, etc
[03:29] <membreya> if it's taking you to the login, then X isn't starting
[03:29] <kbrooks> yes.
[03:30] <propagandhi83> I would have offered him more help if u hadn't attempted to cut me down
[03:30] <kbrooks> propagandhi83, be helpful
[03:30] <dazed|> Reblended, the wireless dsl modems are GLOBAL and work anywhere
[03:30] <Reblended> dazed|, what's the speed?
[03:30] <holycow> GarySaved, places / computer / right click mount
[03:30] <jordanau> membreya, when i type startx is starts up though...
[03:30] <Xeon3D> propagandhi83, that's about the same as telling a starved one that there's a perfect meal waiting for him in the middle of the desert... he'll go but you didn't order him.
[03:30] <kbrooks> propagandhi83, read the ubuntu code of conduct and you'll understand
[03:30] <dazed|> Reblended, my friends dad had one for business and he goes round the world with it..its great...1.5 down .7 up i belive
[03:30] <holycow> GarySaved, the opposite is same but right click unmount
[03:30] <knucks> so how do i remove a directory?
[03:30] <Reblended> dazed|, I just saw, VOIP works on DirecWay's system now! I thought the lag was too bad
[03:30] <membreya> jordanau: press ctrl+alt+f7 then
[03:30] <Reblended> dazed|, very nice
[03:30] <Xeon3D> knucks, rm -rf directory
[03:31] <Reblended> dazed|, so the wireless dsl modems work off what system?
[03:31] <GarySaved> The light comes on, and nothing further happens.
[03:31] <dazed|> Reblended, yeah they are great but his company was paying near 250 a month for it...(for his millionaire ass it was nothing) but i believe they have gone down to about 100 now
[03:31] <jordanau> membreya, ne (EE)
[03:31] <dazed|> Reblended, i couldnt tell you
[03:31] <holycow> jordanau, x is a child process of gdm, it's best to restart gdm as gdm startsup x for you
[03:31] <darkaudit> er wonders why
[03:32] <dazed|> bloody amazing though
[03:32] <Xeon3D> darkaudit, mp3 is a restricted format... it has a problem with licenses...
[03:32] <Reblended> dazed|, lol... I'd need something that doesn't require a technicians license to set up..
[03:32] <jordanau> holycow, what does ctrl backspace do?
[03:32] <Reblended> dazed|, sounds like a wireless dsl modem would be it
[03:32] <dazed|> boggled my mind why it was called a DSL when it doesnt even have a line to digitally subscirbe :)
[03:32] <knucks> . /dev/sda2 on /media/IPOD type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[03:32] <knucks> how do i give that more rights?
[03:32] <gnuts> thanks membreya,  darkaudit
[03:32] <knucks> i want it to be 777
[03:32] <dazed|> Reblended, thats what id suggest
[03:32] <membreya> ctrl+backspace restarts X when you're in X itself
[03:32] <Reblended> dazed|,  ahh,, so digital subscriber L*
[03:32] <membreya> you're all fixed up now gnuts ?
[03:32] <holycow> jordanau, nothing ctrl / alt/ backspace just restarts x, not gdm
[03:33] <ethan> Hi all.  I'm trying out Ubuntu and DVD-playing applications seem to be freezing up.  I've tried both mplayer and xine (I'm installing kaffiene at the moment).  Ideas?
[03:33] <darkaudit> Xeon3D: but support had been enabled up to the release version...
[03:33] <jordanau> holycow, tell me a keyboard shortcut that involves and alt key
[03:33] <holycow> jordanau, why?
[03:33] <dazed|> Reblended, it stands for Digital subscribers line but i was just saying how it boggled my mind why theyd call it that when it has no line to digitally subscribe i would think they could come up with a better name ^-
[03:33] <gnuts> yea, dvd plays great. can I uninstall totem?
[03:33] <Xeon3D> darkaudit, really? I didn't know sorry I'm still running the RC (if it ain't broke don't fix it)
[03:33] <darkaudit> if it were licensing, then I'm not sure it would have enabled the support when I apt-built a new one
[03:33] <jordanau> holycow, i am wondering if it is working believe it or not
[03:34] <kbrooks> i need to know a solution to my question:
[03:34] <Reblended> dazed|, yah, strange
[03:34] <holycow> oh hold alt and right click and drag a window
[03:34] <holycow> that should move the window around
[03:34] <holycow> sorrly left click
[03:34] <holycow> gah
[03:34] <kbrooks> how can i backup FIVE gb of my ubuntu
[03:34] <holycow> always get them mixed up
[03:34] <darkaudit> Xeon3D: it wouldn't het a user query the musicbrainz servers for mp3 tag info...
[03:34] <kbrooks> how do i do so?
[03:34] <Reblended> dazed|, http://dsl.lifetips.com/  (search in page for the word talk)
[03:35] <darkaudit> s/let/het
[03:35] <jordanau> holycow, we're good thanks
[03:35] <holycow> kbrooks, tar it up, and ftp it to another machine or transfer to another hd
[03:35] <holycow> jordanau, k.
[03:35] <membreya> is there any way with rsync to backup say / but exclude certain directories?
[03:35] <nydust> where do i get mod_ssl.so?
[03:35] <GarySaved> A new box of floppies, and the one I put in the drive was bad ... Go Figure!
[03:35] <Arnia> membreya: I think you can do that with rsync-backup but I'm not sure. Worth checking though
[03:35] <kbrooks> holycow, tar? errrr. would i have to be concerned about file usage errors etc?
[03:36] <propagandhi83> kbrooks: if u are familiar with webmin, it has a good filesystem backup facility -thats one of the easiest ways
[03:36] <holycow> GarySaved, i once bought 4 computer cases, all 4 had powersupplies that ONLY were bad with the specific model of mobo i bought
[03:36] <propagandhi83> tar zips for u and all
[03:36] <holycow> :)
[03:36] <kbrooks> tar isnt a 'zip'
[03:36] <GarySaved> Thanks
[03:37] <holycow> kbrooks, depends what your needs are, i'm assuminb a simple backup?
[03:37] <Reblended> tar.gz is werid
[03:37] <Reblended> why compress 2x?
[03:37] <kbrooks> holycow, simple backup, yes
[03:37] <alek> i'm having problems with onboard sound and alsa...I have set a brand spanking new install of ubuntu up to use Intel ICHS alsa but am getting errors from sound apps
[03:37] <kbrooks> Reblended, it isnt weird
[03:37] <alek> and no sound
[03:37] <holycow> Reblended, tar doesn't compress actually, it kinda creates an 'archive' file that is suitable to be put to tape actually
[03:37] <Enkidu> how do you format a floppy disk?
[03:37] <Arnia> Reblended: It only compresses once
[03:37] <kbrooks> holycow, er
[03:37] <Reblended> < noob ty kbrooks , holycow , Arnald
[03:37] <Reblended> Arnia,
[03:37] <holycow> Reblended, that was its original usage, now people use tar and zip it up with gzip
[03:37] <kbrooks> Arnia,
[03:38] <dazed|> Reblended, see thats what i was saying...but i know for a fact he had it cuz we were in florida (in a house with no phone lines) and i have seen him use it all over the place ( he migh tnot have known what it was called cuz hes a newb with computers) but it looked like a wireless network card of todays time and it had an antenna and the inet conn was completely derrived from that card
[03:38] <holycow> kbrooks, then tar and gzip it ... you are worried about what exactly?
[03:38] <Reblended> holycow, weird... I had a tar.gz and ungz/ed it and I wasn't sure how to get the tar out
[03:38] <kbrooks> holycow, file permission errors
[03:38] <holycow> Reblended, untar ...
[03:38] <kbrooks> holycow, file access errors
[03:38] <alek> Reblended, tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
[03:38] <kbrooks> etc etc
[03:38] <holycow> kbrooks, ah ... *hmm* tar.gz preserves those i thought?
[03:39] <Reblended> alek, I did this in xp =p
[03:39] <niran> i want to make sure that i have the latest acpi scripts, but i don't think apt is overwriting my current one
[03:39] <kbrooks> holycow, will tar interfere with me accessing files
[03:39] <alek> Reblended, winrar will extract the tar from the gz, then the files from the tar...takes 2 steps
[03:39] <holycow> kbrooks, no
[03:39] <niran> can someone tell me what the last line of their /etc/acpi/prepare.sh file is?
[03:39] <Reblended> alek, ty...
[03:39] <kbrooks> alek, er
[03:39] <awb4422> anyone use bogofilter
[03:39] <kbrooks> alek: thats basic, but
[03:40] <kbrooks> alek: tar pipes
[03:40] <holycow> kbrooks, by default linux does not 'lock' files during use like windows, but it can be set to do so if you want that, so you can tar a working system sure
[03:40] <alek> kbrooks, he said he was using xp :o
[03:40] <holycow> kbrooks, you wont be able to tar some dir's tho
[03:40] <kbrooks> holycow, how can i exclude them
[03:41] <alek> so, anyone help with the onboard soundcard/alsa issues?
[03:41] <alek> or have any quickfixes?
[03:41] <holycow> . /dev and /tmp are pointless to backup /proc just cannot be backed up
[03:41] <jordanau> can someone look at my pstree and tell me if i am running to many background processes?
[03:41] <kbrooks> huh?
[03:41] <holycow> kbrooks, man tar and gzip :) sorry, i don't know offhand, hehe :)
[03:41] <jordanau> http://www.pastebin.com/270648
[03:41] <jordanau> its formated pretty crappy hope it is readable
[03:41] <gnuts> thanks again, bye ya'll.
[03:42] <propagandhi83> kbrooks: u should check out the webmin interface for that backup purpose
[03:42] <kbrooks> cant read it
[03:42] <kbrooks> propagandhi83, i dont wanna install it
[03:42] <windexh8er> Why would you use gzip or tar to backup a complete filesystem?  dd
[03:42] <holycow> windexh8er, dd will backup even empty sectors, no?
[03:43] <kanuha> Can anyone help with getting a linksys wireless pci card configured and working?
[03:43] <kbrooks> windexh8er, and why would you use dd if speed is important? tar/gzip
[03:43] <dcahrakos> whats the make command? like make install?
[03:43] <jordanau> kanuha, you need ndiswrapper
[03:43] <kanuha> is that on the cd?
[03:43] <propagandhi83> kbrooks: what was the reason u didnt want to install it?
[03:43] <holycow> or a known working and supported wireless card
[03:43] <kbrooks> dcahrakos, check the Makefile. if the rule is in this format
[03:43] <jordanau> kanuha, i am not sure look on synaptic
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[03:43] <windexh8er> Your backing up a complete partition?  Just doesn't make sense...
[03:44] <dayson> Hey how do I install a .tar.gz file?
[03:44] <kbrooks> and if the rule matches the rule in the command
[03:44] <kbrooks> then yes
[03:44] <kbrooks> make <rule>
[03:44] <holycow> dayson, you don't thats a zip file
[03:44] <kbrooks> i.e.
[03:44] <jordanau> tar <options> <file>
[03:44] <kbrooks> make install
[03:44] <holycow> dayson, it really depends therefore what is in the file
[03:44] <kkathman> good evening all (or whatever time it is where you are) :)
[03:44] <dayson> Cube source Gaming Engine
[03:45] <kanuha> holycow, is there a list of supported cards on the ubuntu site?
[03:45] <avida> ubuntu didn't configure my cd burners.  how do I configure them so cdrecord recognizes them ?
[03:45] <avida> ?
[03:45] <dayson> cube_2004_05_22.tar.gz
[03:45] <holycow> dayson, you will need to compile and install it, for that you will need to install gcc and relative libraries.  that should have an install readme in it to give you some idea of how to begin
[03:46] <dayson> holycow, it doesnt have a readme thats why I came here :(
[03:46] <dcahrakos> k, say, I needed to install an app, but you only get the source, is it just make install?
[03:46] <holycow> kanuha, not that i know of, but linux is linux, the answer is same for all distros, therefore google a few lists, there are a number of lists supporting tables of relatively recent cards you can get
[03:46] <neonlightning> is there a frontend for apt-get that is similar to the rpmdrake from mandrake
[03:46] <propagandhi83> neonlighting - synaptic
[03:46] <kbrooks>        --exclude=PATTERN
[03:46] <kbrooks>               exclude files matching PATTERN
[03:46] <borgista> neonlightning: synaptic package manager
[03:46] <kbrooks> ok. pattern?
[03:46] <kbrooks> wtf?
[03:46] <holycow>  dayson ah, thats a bit of a problem, to compile as i mentioned you basically need supporting libraries and a compiler.  you might get away with just trying to compile if its a self contained program then installing but ...
[03:47] <kanuha> holycow, thanks
[03:47] <kbrooks> holycow, you do kknow there is a meta package
[03:47] <kbrooks> ?
[03:47] <holycow> dayson, if you compile but DON'T PACKAGE it in a .deb, uninstalling can be a real bitch.
[03:47] <Enkidu> im still getting no sound, anyone want to assist me with it?
[03:47] <kbrooks> holycow, build-essential
[03:47] <holycow> kanuha, no prob
[03:48] <fissy> make  uninstall :D
[03:48] <holycow> dayson, what kbrooks said, building stuff is a skill in it self so ... :) not so easy
[03:48] <holycow> hehe
[03:48] <kbrooks> holycow, also, packaging in .debs is ADVANCED
[03:48] <Jet2k5> Who was hleping me earlier?
[03:48] <holycow> kbrooks, sure, as is doing make install or even make to begin with *nod*
[03:48] <kbrooks> not for the faint of heart
[03:48] <holycow> kbrooks, no kidding, tell me about it
[03:49] <kbrooks> about which ?
[03:49] <dayson> holycow, "*nix versions of cube clients and standalone servers.
[03:49] <dayson> The clients function identical to the win32 client, see config.html.
[03:49] <dayson> Run them from the root cube dir (chmod em as exe first).
[03:49] <dayson> Clients will need the following dynamic link libraries present:
[03:49] <dayson> opengl, glu, sdl, sdl_image, sdl_mixer, png, jpeg, zlib (1.2.1 for
[03:49] <dayson> all SDL libs, do a ldd for details).
[03:49] <dayson> The servers need NO libs, no external files, no sound or video,
[03:49] <dayson> just run it :) Server port is fixed at 28765, currently.
[03:49] <dayson> Make sure to chmod +x these binaries and the cube_unix script
[03:49] <dayson> before running them.
[03:50] <dayson> eihrul
[03:50] <dayson> eihrul@tunes.org"  thats the read me
[03:50] <neonlightning> is it just me or does this channel seem more chaotic than the mandrake one even since they changed to mandriva
[03:50] <kbrooks> holycow, (well, ok. it isnt reallly advanced, but it requires you to edit files and the like (.deb packaging))
[03:50] <stephen_> why can't i use apt servers that I used in debian, it seems to fail since it cannot find the amd64 directory (i had 32 bit debian)
[03:50] <borgista> neonlightning: wouldn't know, never  been in the mandrake room
[03:50] <holycow> kbrooks, and proper .deb packages require a lot of work, i tried to follow the debian instructions but damnit ... heh.  i wonder if there is a gui to automate some of that, as lame as that sounds
[03:50] <neonlightning> i was using mandrake untill my cd's got too scratched up
[03:51] <neonlightning> i had 10.1 powerpack
[03:51] <stephen_> does anyone know why I can't use the apt servers that I used to use?
[03:51] <borgista> oh, you're running Hoary now?
[03:51] <kbrooks> stratched up?
[03:51] <neonlightning> yea scratched up as in too many scratches on them
[03:51] <DocUb> How do you remove an application that won't remove it's self in Synaptic and by command?
[03:51] <stephen_> I'm running hoary on amd64 I used to have debian sarge
[03:52] <maxxist> hey folks.  dont laugh,  but is there a Service Management GUI in Hoary?
[03:52] <kbrooks> maxxist, no.
[03:52] <kbrooks> maxxist, update-rc.d
[03:52] <maxxist> anything I can read on how to manually do this?
[03:52] <maxxist> ahh
[03:52] <stephen_> why does my system have trouble installing 32bit hardware? I thought they were supposed to be compatible
[03:52] <fissy> not supposed to use update-rc.d
[03:53] <kbrooks> fissy, You can!
[03:53] <kbrooks> fissy, update-rc.d is teh 1337
[03:53] <fissy> no its the stupid
[03:54] <fissy> bah xchat :P
[03:54] <fissy> any changes you do with that are presumably wiped out by software upgrades, no?
[03:54] <kbrooks> te<space>h<go back><erase space>
[03:54] <kbrooks> teh
[03:54] <ricardo_> hi: how to set <my account> in the "sudoers' list?
[03:55] <kbrooks> add a space, too....
[03:55] <fissy> learn a new thing every day ;-)
[03:55] <kbrooks> ricardo_, EDITOR=gedit sudo visudo
[03:55] <kbrooks> ricardo_, h/o.
[03:56] <membreya> ricardo_: sudo nano /etc/sudoers
[03:56] <kbrooks> membreya, NO!!!!!!!!
[03:56] <ricardo_> thx
[03:56] <membreya> yesm kbrooks ?
[03:56] <kbrooks> ricardo_, do not run membreya's command
[03:56] <Zugot> the comcast nameservers are the worst
[03:57] <dazed|> ?
[03:57] <dazed|> whats wrong with membreyas command?
[03:57] <kbrooks> dazed|, hold on
[03:57] <stephen_> anyone want to be helpful?
[03:57] <Arnia> Only edit sudoers with visudo
[03:57] <stephen_> or do you not answer any questions?
[03:57] <dazed|> he just told him to open atext file?
[03:57] <membreya> why's that Arnia ?
[03:58] <kbrooks> "       visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits, pro-
[03:58] <kbrooks>        vides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors.  If the sudoers
[03:58] <kbrooks>        file is currently being edited you will receive a message to try again
[03:58] <kbrooks>        later.
[03:58] <kbrooks> "
[03:58] <membreya> kbrooks: unless someone else is editing it, why is my command a problem? :|
[03:58] <Arnia> Basically it stops you locking yourself out
[03:58] <dazed|> then dont run it it with visudo
[03:58] <dazed|> hes fine
[03:58] <_hayden> what can i type in a terminal to see what samba network shares are available?
[03:59] <membreya> _hayden: on your own computer?
[03:59] <dazed|> u on hoary _hayden
[03:59] <nydust> everytime i do an apt-get i get some errors on perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") why?
[03:59] <_hayden> on computers on the network, yea
[03:59] <DocUb> Got a quick question, how do I remove an application that won't uninstall even by command?
[03:59] <DocUb> or by Synaptic
[03:59] <dazed|> _hayden open nautilus type in network:///
[03:59] <DocUb> I get the following Error:
[03:59] <stephen_> WHY CANT I FRIKIN USE MY STUPID APT SERVERS THAT I USED TO USE AND WHY CANT I INSTALL 32-BIT SOFTWARE
[04:00] <dazed|> _hayden or goto Places from ur tool bar "Network"
[04:00] <Markrian> _hayden, smbtree
[04:00] <dazed|> stephen_ take off caps...and whats the problem...
[04:00] <membreya> wow..thanks for that one Markrian :)
[04:00] <_hayden> thanks Markrian
[04:00] <kbrooks> KEEP THE FUCKING CAPS DOWN STEPHEN. YOU WONT GET ANY HELP IF YOU CONTINUE USING THEM
[04:00] <membreya> family IRC room kbrooks :P
[04:01] <kbrooks> i know
[04:01] <daniels> eh, guys, let's try to avoid caps *and* swearing, please.
[04:01] <nickoli> alright'
[04:01] <membreya> see...now you've attracted an op :P
[04:01] <kbrooks> no no no
[04:01] <dazed|> lol
[04:01] <kbrooks> dont kick me :'(
[04:01] <dazed|> kick ban
[04:01] <dazed|> lol
[04:02] <membreya> apologies daniels, will try and keep em in line :)
[04:02] <libben> I can program C++, its the only thing ive learned to program and some java,.. but java is out of my head this time =) i wanna start with learning c++ again... wich one of the compilers should i install? cause i see there is alots of versions of g++ in synaptic
[04:02] <membreya> libben: do a sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:02] <nickoli> g++ how many ++'s are there
[04:02] <dazed|> libben: u dont think java is easier than C++?
[04:02] <kbrooks> nickoli, 2 duh
[04:03] <kbrooks> dazed|, it isnt
[04:03] <libben> i can see 5 versions of g++ in synaptic
[04:03] <jordanau> just got xfce and i love it already!
[04:03] <nickoli> i tried c++ but i gave up
[04:03] <kbrooks> libben, USE BUILD-ESSENTIAL
[04:03] <devscott> can I search repo's from the command line using apt-get, if so what's the parameter?
[04:03] <membreya> caps kbrooks :P
[04:03] <dazed|> kbrooks: maybe for you but i can code java like the back of my hand i dont even know where to begin c++
[04:03] <Red_Tide> hey can someone help me out with wireless
[04:03] <membreya> devscott: apt-cache search (package name/description)
[04:03] <dazed|> never tried c++
[04:03] <dazed|> but
[04:03] <dazed|> different story
[04:03] <kbrooks> i hate java
[04:03] <kbrooks> i hate c++
[04:03] <kbrooks> i like c
[04:03] <nickoli> i tried visual basic
[04:04] <devscott> membreya: thanks
[04:04] <kbrooks> i like perl
[04:04] <kbrooks> i like python
[04:04] <jordanau> i like quick basic :)
[04:04] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[04:04] <libben> kbrooks, but is that really needed? i dont wanna install alot of extras... just wanna install the compiler.. so i can make g++ file.cpp -o program
[04:04] <crimsun> libben: yes, build-essential is necessary.
[04:04] <etzerd> Hello all
[04:04] <nickoli> html a programming language
[04:04] <marcin_ant> kbrooks: I like polish
[04:04] <^thehatsrule^> guess you like easy stuff like me kbrooks, and no OO
[04:04] <crimsun> libben: (for that purpose)
[04:04] <kbrooks> libben, use the meta package god damn it.
[04:04] <etzerd> what is new today?
[04:04] <ricardo_> so ,what should I do?
[04:04] <b2s> heh, one of my friends just got so angry while installing ubuntu that he snapped the cd in half
[04:04] <membreya> only language I ever learnt was cobol :P
[04:04] <Red_Tide> anyone here running an acx100/111 based wireless card?
[04:04] <borgista> b2s: what happened that got him so mad?
[04:05] <nydust> how do i corect this perl: warning: Setting locale failed.?
[04:05] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, i like easy stuff and  i like OO. oo or no oo, i like perl
[04:05] <nickoli> i almost broke the ubuntu disc
[04:05] <smouche> b2s -- hope it wasn't still in the drive at the time...
[04:05] <b2s> borgista: I don't know, last time I asked what was wrong he just said "everything"
[04:05] <jordanau> back in jumior high i made so many 10 PRINT "you're an asshole"    20 GOTO 10 programs its not funny
[04:05] <membreya> Red_Tide: I used to use a netgear wireless card
[04:05] <borgista> is he a linux user?
[04:05] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, however, i dont like python.....
[04:05] <kbrooks> very much.
[04:05] <^thehatsrule^> lol k kbrooks, cause c++ is simply c with OO really
[04:05] <nickoli> anyone know how i can get my friend to go linux
[04:05] <jordanau> b2s, hw should have microwaved it, it looks cooler
[04:05] <borgista> nickoli: good luck
[04:05] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, i dont like c++
[04:05] <b2s> borgista: previous mandrake user
[04:05] <libben> nickoli, show him/her Ubuntu?
[04:05] <jordanau> hw/he
[04:06] <borgista> oh. b2s
[04:06] <^thehatsrule^> ya, but you said you like c... lol, oh well
[04:06] <nickoli> says that functionality is limited in linux
[04:06] <membreya> nickoli: do a format c:\ /q |y on their windows install :P then offer them the ubuntu disc
[04:06] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, i dont like c++.
[04:06] <nickoli> haha
[04:06] <^thehatsrule^> lol k
[04:06] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, too verbose
[04:06] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, i prefewr perl, php, python or ruby
[04:07] <smouche> b2s, he should be grateful it's a one cd install; if he'd had to break 7 cd's, eventually, he might have cut himself...
[04:07] <nickoli> haha
[04:07] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, i use python often.
[04:07] <b2s> smouche: haha
[04:07] <jordanau> membreya, better make a .bat file with the same line of code and name it "do not click"
[04:07] <kbrooks> perl, ruby and php less
[04:07] <borgista> i'm still wating for my shiny HOARY CD. (although I already have it installed)
[04:07] <nickoli> what
[04:07] <jordanau> membreya, another good one is deltree windows /y
[04:07] <membreya> jordanau: I used to have a d.bat in my windows days (it did a dir %1 /p/o/w) and my friends rewrote it with the code I gave..thank god for CTRL+C
[04:08] <kbrooks> jordanau, /y first
[04:08] <kbrooks> meh
[04:08] <nickoli> will rpms work with ubuntu
[04:08] <jordanau> kbrooks, its been a while :)
[04:08] <borgista> no nickoli
[04:08] <lmurillo2> ok, bakc
[04:08] <kbrooks> nickoli, maybe
[04:08] <lmurillo2> err
[04:08] <jordanau> nickoli, no
[04:08] <lmurillo2> back
[04:08] <lmurillo2> :)
[04:08] <kbrooks> jordanau, yes and no
[04:08] <kbrooks> ;)
[04:08] <nickoli> then i will have to manually compile jre
[04:08] <borgista> but you're better off not using .rpms
[04:09] <smouche> nickoli, change their windows wallpaper to a fullscreen screenshot of ubuntu, hide their icons, and their taskbar...
[04:09] <odyssey> nickoli, if you need to install an rpm convert it to a .deb with alien
[04:09] <jordanau> nickoli, what are you installing
[04:09] <borgista> good one smouche !!
[04:09] <stephen_> dazed|: I have recently switched from 32-bit debian sarge too amd64 ubuntu hoary, but I seem to be having trouble installing any 32-bit hardware and using my previous apt sources
[04:09] <kbrooks> nickoli, No you won't have to manually compile jre
[04:09] <nickoli> i need java runtime environment, they only distribute as an rpm
[04:09] <vdrab> Hi all, a question - with Ubuntu's famed multi-language support, can you have multiple language input? like, typing/editing japanese documents for instance, in an English OS?
[04:09] <libben> lol
[04:09] <kbrooks> nickoli, wrong
[04:09] <nickoli> i am
[04:09] <jordanau> isnt jre in apt-get
[04:09] <kbrooks> nickoli, let me show you
[04:09] <libben> bitching about iostream.h =)
[04:09] <nickoli> dont think so
[04:09] <libben> no .h in linux =) ?
[04:10] <kbrooks> nickoli, pm me pls
[04:10] <membreya> stephen_: if you truly want to install 32bit packages in a 64 bit environment, you will need to chroot it
[04:10] <libben> doing the old way i see it =)
[04:10] <RuKK> Hey guys, how would I make haory hedgehog boot to a command line instead of gdm?
[04:10] <RuKK> is there a command I could pass grub?
[04:10] <membreya> RuKK: change the runlevel?
[04:10] <stephen_> membreya: can u tell me how to do that?
[04:10] <lmurillo2> can anyone help me with the apt-get problem I'm getting, I'm posting the output of 'sudo apt-get update' in #flood
[04:11] <tolar> hey, my vpn software is asking for the dir containing linux kernel src code.  but i cant find it :(  i've tried getting the package for linux src, but it doesnt seem to work either
[04:11] <RuKK> membreya: ok, so boot with runlevel something?
[04:11] <jordanau> hey is my pstree to cluttered? http://www.pastebin.com/270648
[04:11] <jordanau> anything i can get rid of
[04:11] <membreya> stephen_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[04:11] <stephen_> membreya: thanks a million
[04:12] <tolar> i'd assume /usr/src/linux, but that doesnt exist
[04:12] <stephen_> membreya: how can I get my apt sources too work though?
[04:12] <membreya> stephen_: I only know how to use ubuntu repos
[04:13] <membreya> but have you tried doing a sudo apt-get update before you tried to install from them?
[04:13] <Red_Tide> stephen which sources do you want?
[04:13] <Red_Tide> universe and multiverse
[04:13] <stephen_> membreya: what is a sudo apt-get update?
[04:13] <jr_G-man> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[04:14] <membreya> stephen_: it updates you repo information with your new sources.list
[04:14] <wowzer> hello
[04:14] <membreya> anytime you add or remove from your sources.list you need to do a sudo apt-get update
[04:14] <dazed|> yeah sudo apt-get update
[04:14] <stephen_> membreya: of course i use apt-get update first, but thats when the problem starts   but what exactly does the "sudo" part do?
[04:14] <wowzer> I need some advice
[04:14] <dazed|> sudo is to make it run as root
[04:15] <dazed|> or owner
[04:15] <membreya> stephen_: it runs it as a super user
[04:15] <devscott> wowzer: yes?
[04:15] <Red_Tide> what do you need advice o wowzer?
[04:15] <wowzer> i want to get linux running on a P233MXX with 48MB of RAM, what is the best ditro for that
[04:15] <stephen_> membreya: the error that i get has something to do with that apt-get can't find the amd64 architecture files
[04:16] <membreya> stephen_: go to #flood and paste the errors
[04:16] <dazed|> stephen_, are u on a 64 bit arch?
[04:16] <stephen_> dazed|, membreya: yes im on amd64 bit arch
[04:16] <wowzer> distro*
[04:17] <wowzer> i was looking at delilinux
[04:17] <dazed|> and what are u trying to accomplish???
[04:17] <lmurillo2> wowzer: if I'm not mistaken you can install Ubuntu and pass the server parameter at boot
[04:17] <wowzer> or is their a better one?
[04:17] <lmurillo2> that way you'll get the minum and insta what's needed
[04:17] <nekohayoo> is somebody using the 7174 drivers? (sorry if I'm double posting, I'm not sure if I got disconnected before)
[04:17] <devscott> wowzer: any distro you use will just be commandline due to your ram amount
[04:17] <nekohayoo> [nvidia-glx drivers I mean] 
[04:17] <dazed|> i have forgotten
[04:17] <wowzer> deli has a gui
[04:18] <devscott> wowzer: yeah but X is a killer on ram
[04:18] <membreya> devscott: he could always try XFCE :)
[04:18] <NumPy> wowzer: look into onebase its minimal and still extremely functional
[04:18] <nekohayoo> XFCE powa.
[04:18] <devscott> membreya: or blackbox I suppose
[04:18] <wowzer> on the deli page it says it can run on a 16MB RAm system
[04:19] <dayson> how do I install ATI drivers?
[04:19] <nekohayoo> dayson, did you search the wiki?
[04:19] <lmurillo2> how do I fix the problem I have with apt-get?
[04:19] <nekohayoo> or ubuntuguide.org?
[04:19] <dazed|> dayson download the package
[04:19] <dayson> whats a wiki?
[04:19] <devscott> wowzer: try it out, if you don't like it try another one
[04:19] <nekohayoo> ubuntu.com/wiki
[04:19] <dazed|> ,wiki
[04:19] <membreya> stephen_: are you going to paste your errors?
[04:19] <dazed|> oh wait wrong room
[04:19] <dazed|> lol
[04:19] <nekohayoo> take a look (with the search) in ubuntu's website
[04:19] <lmurillo2> I've done the least I can do on myself, but ran out of ideas
[04:19] <nickoli> whats that command to run deb packages
[04:19] <nekohayoo> nickoli, dpkg -i
[04:20] <wowzer> try what out?
[04:20] <nickoli> ty
[04:20] <membreya> nickoli: sudo dpkg -i (debname)
[04:20] <dad> hi
[04:20] <devscott> wowzer: the distro you mention
[04:20] <dayson> dazed|, whats the package name?
[04:20] <dazed|> nickoli man dpkg
[04:20] <dad> ssfddddddddds
[04:20] <revelater> is there a program for small buisness mangement?
[04:20] <dazed|> dayson: read the wiki i use nvidia
[04:20] <membreya> stop RTFM'ing them dazed| :P
[04:20] <wowzer> deli linux?
[04:20] <dazed|> lol
[04:20] <wowzer> i will
[04:20] <revelater> that handles client lists and such
[04:20] <revelater> billing
[04:21] <revelater> sales tax
[04:21] <revelater> timing bowel movements
[04:21] <dazed|> dayson, i did see it earlier though under the x category of synaptic
[04:21] <dazed|> search x in synaptic
[04:21] <dazed|> and one of those has ati drive
[04:21] <dazed|> rs
[04:21] <revelater> anyone?
[04:21] <wowzer> thank you devscott
[04:22] <wowzer> :)
[04:22] <devscott> wowzer: no problem, just don't be afraid to experiment
[04:22] <df00z> Hey.  How do I know if PCMCIA is working?
[04:22] <nekohayoo> anybody can help me with nvidia drivers? the most I can tell is that it looks like the kernel sources are missing or something
[04:22] <revelater> at all?
[04:22] <df00z> None of my cards are working, yet they are on the supported card list
[04:22] <RuKK> I need to edit my xorg.conf file manually, and I cant start X in ubuntu.. just comes up with a black screen (which is why I need to edit), any ideas on how I can do this?
[04:22] <df00z> in windows they are detected as MTD-0002 cards
[04:22] <df00z> and i cant load drivers
[04:22] <nekohayoo> RuKK, you should sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:22] <nickoli> knoopix and copy the xf86config file
[04:22] <membreya> RuKK: do a sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:23] <df00z> how do I know if ubuntuo is detecting them? should something be in dmesg?
[04:23] <dazed|> rukk "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" didnt work?
[04:23] <RuKK> nekohayoo: how can I do that if I cant get a console?
[04:23] <RuKK> that doesnt help dude.. I cant get into X
[04:23] <nekohayoo> uhh
[04:23] <membreya> RuKK: press ctrl+alt+f1
[04:23] <RuKK> I cant even get a login screen
[04:23] <membreya> and login
[04:23] <nekohayoo> why can't you get that console
[04:23] <nekohayoo> ctrl alt f1 as membreya said
[04:23] <dazed|> u cant get a console?
[04:23] <nekohayoo> dazed|, let's buy him a PS2
[04:23] <dazed|> lol
[04:24] <nekohayoo> XD
[04:24] <dazed|> that made me giggle for real nekohayoo :)
[04:24] <membreya> dazed|: are you a chick? :P
[04:24] <nekohayoo> *looks at that blue nvidia screen* baka.
[04:24] <dazed|> membreya, only if u want me to be
[04:24] <membreya> ROFL!!!!
[04:24] <dazed|> JUST KIDDING!
[04:25] <dazed|> nah i just been sitting at my computer all day ...lack of speech makes me crazy
[04:25] <Null> hey everybody
[04:25] <Null> anybody want to help a noob?
[04:25] <devscott> Null: hi
[04:25] <devscott> Null: problem?
[04:25] <Null> sorta
[04:25] <dazed|> whats goin on Null?
[04:25] <Null> I have a laptop I installed ubuntu on
[04:26] <Null> and it was working fine, until i installed some updates, I think some PCMCIA updates screwed it up
[04:26] <nekohayooo> how do I "make sure I have installed the kernel source files for my kernel" ?
[04:26] <nekohayooo> dang connection.
[04:26] <dazed|> Null, whats the problem?
[04:26] <Null> and now it doesnt recognize the network card
[04:26] <tyrese> Ubuntu - is BRILLIANT!
[04:26] <devscott> dazed|: I'm guessing his laptop returned null
[04:26] <Null> or the PCMCIA bus
[04:26] <Null> lol
[04:26] <dazed|> lol
[04:26] <dazed|> hmmm
[04:26] <dazed|> let me think
[04:26] <Null> k
[04:27] <kbrooks> is there a marquee screensaver
[04:27] <tyrese> finally, i have UNIVERSAL desktops, for my macs and PC's!
[04:27] <holycow> tyrese, lol, i've been on ubntu a week, i still think that, and i can't tell you how many times i've seen people say that in here
[04:27] <devscott> Null: is the pcmica service starting on boot?
[04:27] <membreya> nekohayoo: do a sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8 <--replace the 2.6-amd64-k8 with your kernel name
[04:27] <Null> not sure
[04:27] <Null> how do i tell?
[04:27] <kbrooks> is there a marquee screensaver in ubuntu hoary?
[04:27] <holycow> tyrese, this is one remarkable achievement i think, we need to also acknowledge gnome2.10, that plays a huge role in the usability of the distro
[04:27] <nickoli> kbrooks: lets see if this does the trick
[04:27] <nekohayooo> tyrese, glad to know this :)
[04:27] <dazed|> it says OK or FAIL when it reads PCMIAA
[04:27] <Null> lemme check
[04:28] <tyrese> holycow, I've got it installed on my macs, my pcs, my laptops, now i'm just waiting for a PDA version!
[04:28] <stephen_> membreya: sorry had to go find out where my sources were stored from before, now im going to post it in flood
[04:28] <dazed|> nUll or it wont say anything at all if its completely not picking it up
[04:28] <dazed|> that means its prolly disconnected from ur computer
[04:28] <devscott> tyrese: I have it running on the gf.... it's nice I can finally turn now the volume
[04:28] <BlackLabel> how can i mount smb shares on startup without having to type in a password for each share it tries to mount
[04:28] <tyrese> gnome2.10 i thank you!!
[04:28] <df00z> hey
[04:28] <devscott> down*
[04:28] <holycow> tyrese, lol, i had a debian pilot project here at work, i'm upgrading that to ubuntu, i am converting a human resources to ubnuntu with vmware, 1 laptop, several desktops, it' sunrealy
[04:28] <holycow> haha
[04:28] <Null> it doesnt say anything
[04:28] <df00z> How do I know if PCMCIA is working
[04:28] <holycow> hr server anyway
[04:28] <df00z> dmesg shows nothing if importence
[04:29] <df00z> removing and inserting cards seemingly does nothing
[04:29] <Null> it says pcmcia not present when i reboot
[04:29] <holycow> god my spelling suck
[04:29] <holycow> s
[04:29] <membreya> ok stephen_ are you running the update as a sudo
[04:29] <Null> as it's halting
[04:29] <holycow> *gah*!!!!
[04:29] <Zugot> i just figured out how to upgrade my laptop to 2GB of memory
[04:29] <devscott> Null: open a console and type in lsmod
[04:29] <tyrese> devscott, I am amazed, I truly am!!
[04:29] <Zugot> i'm genuinely excited
[04:29] <Zugot> now i can run even more vmware sessions
[04:29] <Null> k, just a sec, it's starting up again
[04:29] <tolar> i followed the ubuntu directions to install the linux source code, but my vpn client says: Directory "/usr/src/linux" doesn't appear to contain kernel source.
[04:29] <Fast240Z> hey, can someone help me out with ubuntu?  I'm kind of new to linux, and totally new to ubuntu
[04:29] <stephen_> membreya: yes
[04:30] <PecK> hey all
[04:30] <tyrese> ever since I saw my first episode of Star Trek - I have longed for universal desktops for all PC architectures, and now, FINALY ubuntu is here!
[04:30] <devscott> tyrese: now she wants a hardware upgrade and wants me to purchase a license... it's getting scary
[04:30] <stephen_> membreya: it first does like 15 correct, then decides to fail the last few which are my debian sources
[04:30] <Fast240Z> I'm trying to figure out how to set up my package manager to handle restricted packages off of the net
[04:31] <cryptoknight> hello
[04:31] <nickoli> hello
[04:31] <Red_Tide> I have a driver that requires /lib/modules/2.6.10/build/include/linux/version.h which does not exits in ubuntu what can I do about it?
[04:31] <tolar> hello
[04:31] <cryptoknight> i have a question if anyone minds helping?
[04:31] <tolar> i followed the ubuntu directions to install the linux source code, but my vpn client says: Directory "/usr/src/linux" doesn't appear to contain kernel source.
[04:31] <stephen_> membreya: can you send me the debootstrap link again?
[04:31] <Fast240Z> good luck, it's madness in her
[04:31] <Fast240Z> *here
[04:32] <nickoli> haha tru dat
[04:32] <membreya> stephen_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[04:32] <Null> ok I did lsmod, but no pcmcia shows up
[04:32] <tyrese> devscott, My GF has a iMac G5 .. actually, that's my G5, came off my credit card, and I have a two G4s, and 10 PC's, and each one now looks the same, no more of this *My Computer is better than yours* crap!
[04:32] <cryptoknight> i am just trying to figure out the default mailman password in ubuntu
[04:32] <cryptoknight> i cant seem to find it anywhere
[04:32] <Red_Tide> just ask cryptoknight im sure ppl will try and answer
[04:32] <devscott> tyrese: lol
[04:32] <tyrese> Reason, I got 10 PC's is because i do LAN parties!
[04:32] <Fast240Z> lol, I just need help setting up my sources for my package manager
[04:32] <cryptoknight> i am used to the "normal" linux users heh
[04:32] <nickoli> with yourself
[04:32] <tyrese> and yes, my electic bill is DISGUSTING!
[04:32] <borgista> tyrese: and what does one do at a LAN party?
[04:32] <stephen_> membreya: any idea on why those sources are failing in apt?
[04:32] <nickoli> hang out
[04:32] <Red_Tide> sorry I have always used online mail services so I have no idea
[04:33] <membreya> no idea sorry stephen_ :(
[04:33] <Null> devscott: I did lsmod, but no PCMCIA shows up
[04:33] <Fast240Z> lol, I've used mandrake, but totally new to anything debian based
[04:33] <kkathman> anyone know how to access a samba share from the terminal?
[04:33] <devscott> Anyone know of any good howto's on LDAP servers under ubuntu... the wiki is lacking
[04:33] <cryptoknight> me to Fast240Z
[04:33] <tyrese> borgista, Unreal Tornament, Halo, Quake Arena !
[04:33] <cryptoknight> kkathman,  smbmount
[04:33] <kkathman> cryptoknight: thank you very much :)
[04:33] <cryptoknight> or mount -t smbfs //server/share \mount\point
[04:33] <tyrese> Fast240Z, debian based distros are the future!
[04:33] <nekohayooo> tyrese, why don't you start an ubuntu-internet-caf during the day? XD
[04:34] <Fast240Z> yeah, that's what my buddy said
[04:34] <devscott> Null: from the command line do a   sudo /etc/init.d/pcmica restart
[04:34] <tyrese> nekohayoo, I already have an internet cafe!
[04:34] <nickoli> whats a prog to try my jre on
[04:34] <nekohayooo> good! XD
[04:34] <Fast240Z> I wanted something that work would with my wireless card, and ubuntu happened to be the solution
[04:34] <cryptoknight> i got hooked on the bootable ver
[04:34] <cryptoknight> now i am switching everything over at work
[04:34] <cryptoknight> :)
[04:34] <cryptoknight> including desktops
[04:34] <tyrese> nekohayoo, and to be honest, I am SERIOUSLY considering it!
[04:35] <Fast240Z> lol, I wish I could do that, I could just imagine all of the computers at best buy running linux
[04:35] <cryptoknight> another 60 desktops :D
[04:35] <Null> devscott: it says pcmcia not present
[04:35] <tyrese> Is there anyway, that Ubuntu can be installed over a network?
[04:36] <nickoli> sure i just dont know how
[04:36] <devscott> tyrese: I saw away you can do it using the knoppix cd.
[04:36] <|PecK|> :)
[04:36] <tyrese> devscott, How would I achieve that?
[04:37] <devscott> tyrese: I'll try and dig up the link
[04:37] <tyrese> Also, I noticed that a few apps are not included, for example, nmapfe, the front end for nmap, isn't here.
[04:37] <Fast240Z> anyone know of any good documentation on ubuntu for noobs
[04:37] <lyy> test
[04:37] <membreya> Fast240Z: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:38] <Fast240Z> thanks, I'll check it out
[04:38] <nekohayooo> still having problems with the latest nvidia driver (7174) and xorg, is there an nvidia user around? it says that the nvidia kernel modile is version 7.1.0 but the x module is 1.0.7174 (which causes an API mismatch)
[04:38] <lyy> hello
[04:38] <tyrese> cryptoknight, How did you manage to convince everyone to change to ubuntu? Was you already on a debian based network?
[04:38] <holycow> tyrese, ubuntu uses debians d-i, which has facility for a quickstart like redhat, and a number of other cool features
[04:38] <devscott> tyrese: do you have a floppy on the computer?
[04:38] <tyrese> devscott, Yes, some of them
[04:39] <Null> devscott: it says pcmcia not present
[04:39] <holycow> tyrese, research d-i, and kickstart for ubuntu on the ubuntu and google sites
[04:39] <tyrese> devscott, But not on the apple macs
[04:39] <Fast240Z> anyone know about ati and ubuntu?
[04:39] <lyy> what's the java sdk package called in synaptic? i can't seem to find it. could it be that i don't have the right repository too? i've been trying to install with apt-get install j2sdk
[04:39] <devscott> tyrese: for floppy computers http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[04:39] <tyrese> I'm still trying to find how to make custom live CD's - I've seen a few articles that claim I can do that with ubuntu
[04:40] <a_peck> tyrese, if u find a site could you msg it to me plz?
[04:40] <smouche> what about a custom install CD, tyrese? that's what I'd like...
[04:40] <membreya> lyy: it's not in synaptic
[04:40] <odyssey> tyrese, isnt there something in the wiki?
[04:41] <devscott> null: one second
[04:41] <lyy> membreya: can you suggest a way to get it ? do i have to google for it?
[04:41] <Null> k
[04:41] <membreya> lyy, you need to go to www.sun.com to download it, and if you want install instructions, go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:41] <devscott> tyrese: here is the network install stuff
[04:41] <devscott> tyrese: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[04:42] <cryptoknight> for the record
[04:42] <cryptoknight> you have to run mmsitepass
[04:42] <cryptoknight> as ROOT
[04:42] <cryptoknight> oh well i am the IT manager
[04:42] <cryptoknight> :)
[04:42] <cryptoknight> my will is law at work
[04:42] <membreya> lyy: is it JRE or JDK you're after
[04:42] <cryptoknight> besides i put together a large presentation on the TCO of ubuntu vs windows
[04:43] <cryptoknight> and i gave everyone live cd's to play with
[04:43] <cryptoknight> which really made it nice. everyone played with them at work and took them home
[04:43] <tyrese> a_peck, of course I will! The last time I was this excited about something, I was 15 years ago, my first g/f parents where on holiday, I was drunk, she was butt naked, and it lasted only 10 minutes! lol
[04:43] <cryptoknight> but during it all i slowly started to migrate to opensource apps
[04:43] <devscott> Null: trying to find you a link
[04:43] <Null> ok thanks
[04:43] <cryptoknight> aka i moved them away from IE to firefox
[04:44] <cryptoknight> and from outlook to thunderbird
[04:44] <cryptoknight> then to open office
[04:44] <tyrese> devscott, Thanks, I'll bookmark those links right now!
[04:44] <cryptoknight> so they were very familiar with all the apps
[04:44] <a_peck> lol tyrese, make sure you don't post me the photos link! :)
[04:44] <cryptoknight> then the transition to ubuntu was........ easy
[04:44] <cryptoknight> since there was only a small learning curve to get used to the desktop
[04:44] <tyrese> a_peck, She took those photos with her!
[04:45] <a_peck> tyrese, I'm sure to get good information then :))
[04:45] <tyrese> I say BURN IE! Firefox is the way, I changed all the desktops at work to use FireFox, and no one noticed - until they asked me, where did all the popups go - that was a good day!
[04:45] <safrican> Hi I am wondering - what is the name of the next Ubuntu Release?
[04:45] <borgista> Breezy Badger
[04:45] <safrican> I've been told it was called, the "Grumpy Groundhog"
[04:45] <safrican> is that right ?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> that's the next one
[04:46] <dazed|> Breezy Badger
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> after the next one
[04:46] <dazed|> then Grumpy
[04:46] <daniels> no, it's Breezy Badger
[04:46] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: not really.  it will probably be sorta parallelish.
[04:46] <safrican> thank you VERY much
[04:46] <Red_Tide> is there a forum for ubuntu?\
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> daniels: ?
[04:46] <nickoli> will it be necesary to upgrade to the next ubuntu distro
[04:46] <dazed|> Red_Tide yes :)
[04:46] <borgista> Red_Tide: ubuntuforums.org
[04:46] <Red_Tide> ok thanx gonna post my problem
[04:47] <cryptoknight> how creative
[04:47] <cryptoknight> ya know thats another reason i love ubuntu
[04:47] <dazed|> Red_Tide, u can ask in here?
[04:47] <devscott> Null: do you get a sound when you plug in the card
[04:47] <cryptoknight> it seems the users and community involved with ubuntu dont have the holier than thou attitude
[04:47] <nickoli> tru dat
[04:47] <Null> devscott: no, because my sound doesn't work either
[04:47] <safrican> is there like a list of all these names for Ubuntu ?
[04:47] <dazed|> cryptoknight, we dont have it...but we are
[04:47] <dazed|> :)
[04:47] <safrican> or releases of Ubuntu ?
[04:48] <nickoli> tru
[04:48] <Red_Tide> I did i need to install a wireless driver that requires /lib/modules/2.6.10/build/include/linux/version.h which does not exist in ubuntu so im not sure what to do
[04:48] <jordanau> XFCE is beautiful
[04:48] <dazed|> safrican, they make em as they come up
[04:48] <dazed|> i think they only have the next 2
[04:48] <devscott> Null: this would be a system speaker beep
[04:48] <safrican> dazed|: ah ok - thanks! because i saw somewhere that a release "might" be called Bendy(?)
[04:48] <a_peck> safrican, why such an interest?
[04:48] <Null> devscott: no it doesnt beep
[04:48] <cryptoknight> lol dazed|
[04:48] <safrican> a_peck: just wondering
[04:49] <mathmatt> how do I connect to an OS X machine?  I used smb://x.x.x.x/servername before but it doesn't work now.
[04:49] <cryptoknight> places
[04:49] <cryptoknight> network servers
[04:49] <cryptoknight> or
[04:50] <cryptoknight> places -> connect to server
[04:50] <cryptoknight> and type in the ip address
[04:50] <tyrese> mathmatt, Have you enabled it on the mac?
[04:50] <tyrese> mathmatt, you have to enable it in the prefrences setting, I'm assuming your using Panther?
[04:52] <devscott> Null: do you have a /etc/pcmcia
[04:52] <tyrese> Are there any good CD burning/CD creation apps in the ubuntu repository?
[04:52] <linuxpoet> k3b
[04:52] <Null> devscott: yes
[04:52] <dazed|> tyreese k3b
[04:52] <devscott> what does that say?
[04:52] <devscott> null: do a cat on that
[04:53] <vasi> mathmatt, if you have SSH enabled on the Mac you can SFTP in
[04:53] <vasi> use gFTP
[04:53] <linuxpoet> O.k. I will say this, Ubuntu is a great desktop but still has a ways to go with some of the custom config and higher end stuff (dual opterons)
[04:53] <mathmatt> cryptoknight: i tried places->connect to server.  No dice
[04:53] <mathmatt> vasi: i'll try that
[04:54] <devscott> Null: read this... https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8575
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> linuxpoet, and the debian folks say it basically is forking debian and taking its own direction... i.e. hurting debian
[04:54] <devscott> Null: sounds like your suffering from that bug
[04:55] <scorpix> how can i change the settings of fonts for gtk applications(gaim)?
[04:55] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: one of the plans raised at matar was having grumpy as a 'crack of the day' suite, building from upstrema cvs and stuff
[04:55] <Null> devscott: thanks, I'll check that out and see if it helps
[04:55] <a_peck> nomasteryoda, Why should it? It will always be debian based. the community will never forget that. Ubuntu is its community too.
[04:55] <dandesmet> i have a comp with windows xp on it on one hard drive...if i have a second blank hard drive, how hard would it be for me to install it as a slave to the current one, and install ubuntu without touching my windows xp install?
[04:55] <ablyss> scorpix, font setting are controlled by the wm
[04:55] <devscott> Null: no problem. happy hacking
[04:56] <nickoli> dandesmet not that hard
[04:56] <scorpix> ablyss: i use gnome
[04:56] <ablyss> scorpix, gaim has some basic font settings but they work so well
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> daniels: oooh sounds cool
[04:56] <dandesmet> if i make ubuntu drive the slave, which bootloader would come up when i start my computer, ntldr or grub?
[04:56] <tyrese> a_peck, The debian comminuty are quite defensive of thier distro - for example, they wont even help people who have knoppix installs
[04:57] <nickoli> dandesmet grub prob
[04:57] <ablyss> scorpix, been awhile since i used gnome, but i would think the font settings are under the system preferences somewhere
[04:57] <chavo> dandesmet, It depends on where you install grub to.
[04:57] <nickoli> dandesmet if you used a floppy then grub would come up
[04:57] <dandesmet> what if i install grub to the second hard drive?
[04:57] <dandesmet> i want to touch the xp drive as little as possible
[04:57] <nickoli> dandesmet switch the drives
[04:57] <holycow> http://www.xgitech.com/about/about_press1.asp?CTID={C3FD7D03-6BE1-4BB9-9F34-1221E723B87F}  <-- wow
[04:58] <nickoli> dandesmet put the win drive as slave and ubuntu as master
[04:58] <cryptoknight> use a floppy
[04:58] <chavo> dandesmet, install grub to the mbr of the first drive.
[04:58] <cryptoknight> easiest most non intrusive away
[04:58] <nickoli> haha tru
[04:58] <ablyss> grub didn't detect my windows partitons
[04:58] <chavo> then he'll have to edit his boot.ini
[04:58] <cryptoknight> grub has fried my box alot of times
[04:58] <ells> has anyone been able to copy home dvds to play on their home players
[04:58] <cryptoknight> yes ells
[04:58] <a_peck> tyrese, oh. but it is positive that Ubuntu adds value over debian. debian can be top-notch forever if they want, if their work is recognized by companies that generate value and businesses
[04:59] <ablyss> i use lilo now, but off mdk to boot
[04:59] <ells> cryptoknight, what did you use
[04:59] <cryptoknight> vobcopy
[04:59] <cryptoknight> and k3b
[04:59] <a_peck> tyrese, or do they have other objectives?
[04:59] <nickoli> k3b
[04:59] <holycow> a_peck, it is important however to always remind everyone that ubuntu is a 'temporary' fork because it is based on 6 month snapshots with hopefully a lot of the work going back to debian
[04:59] <nickoli> too many apps that i like are for kde
[04:59] <cryptoknight> true
[04:59] <a_peck> holycow, plus that!
[05:00] <cryptoknight> i like gnombust as well
[05:00] <holycow> based on the recent slashbot postings, i don't think anyone has a clue what ubuntu is about, they think its just another xandros
[05:00] <ells> crytpoknight, vobcopy by itself
[05:00] <dandesmet> if i install grub on the new drive, can i create an entry in windows's boot.ini to boot to the second hard drive?
[05:00] <ells> crytpoknight, how bout compression
[05:00] <nickoli> dandesmet sure
[05:00] <membreya> in rsync, doing a sudo rsync -av --exclude "/media/" / /media/downloads/Linux, that will backup everything from my root (/) but exclude /media/ correct?
[05:00] <nickoli> i dont know, i hardly have used windows
[05:00] <cryptoknight> i cheated for that ells
[05:00] <a_peck> holycow, if they don't try, they're naysayers
[05:00] <revelater> is there a program for small buisness mangement?
[05:00] <ablyss> the preferred xfce4 for ubunto is sweet. A must try for any of you who have tried it
[05:00] <cryptoknight> wine and dvdshrink
[05:00] <ells> crytpoknight, how so
[05:00] <ablyss> have/haven't
[05:00] <ells> crytpoknight, dvdshrink wont work for me
[05:00] <cryptoknight> check alllinuxinfo.com
[05:00] <crimsun> heh, I just updated xfdesktop4
[05:01] <cryptoknight> or freshmeat.net
[05:01] <cryptoknight> i am sure someone has made a decent linux shrinker
[05:01] <ells> crytpoknight, I found a website, takes a while though
[05:01] <cryptoknight> how long is a while?
[05:01] <holycow> a_peck, true, i think it needs to be upfront and key in the 'marketing speak' though, ubuntus popularty is underpinned by holding true to debian and debian ideals within reason... this also explain partly why things like xandros are not very popular
[05:01] <tyrese> dandesmet, what I would recomend, is installing the second blank hard disk in your machine, to make sure that you get all the jumpers correct, and that XP will actually boot. After that, use the ubuntu install, and make sure that you select to install on the second disk, not the first. Then install Grub, then go make yourself a cup of coffee, or maybe a shot of whiskey depending on how much trouble you went through! and don't for
[05:01] <tyrese> get to send me my fee, via paypal!
[05:01] <ells> crytpoknight, 1 hour start to finish
[05:01] <cryptoknight> ya
[05:01] <cryptoknight> that sounds about right
[05:01] <cryptoknight> even in windows it takes a good 45 min
[05:02] <cryptoknight> and thats with a dual amd 3000
[05:02] <cryptoknight> with 1 gig o ram
[05:02] <ells> crytpoknight, I did it yesterday, work good
[05:02] <ablyss> xfce mousepad editor brought piece and happiness back into my life
[05:02] <dandesmet> all i've got in the fridge is bourbon...will that work?
[05:02] <cryptoknight> and a 16x dvdrom
[05:02] <ells> crytpoknight, I have a P4, 3 gig
[05:02] <membreya> anyone?
[05:02] <nickoli> anyone what
[05:02] <Null> devscott: that bug link you sent me keeps referring to /etc/modules/ but that folder doesn't even exist, is that a problem?
[05:02] <membreya> in rsync, doing a sudo rsync -av --exclude "/media/" / /media/downloads/Linux, that will backup everything from my root (/) but exclude /media/ correct?
[05:02] <cryptoknight> remember to always use dvd-r's
[05:02] <cryptoknight> :D
[05:02] <ells> crytpoknight, why
[05:03] <tyrese> a_peck, I don't think debian users have another objective, but everyone things that thier solution, is the best solution. It's like a slap to the face to have someone take what you did, and make it a little better - they just feel....... violated - I don't expect that type of attitude from the opensource community
[05:03] <a_peck> holycow, what's important is that Ubuntu gets credible for e-business consultants, IT consultants, etc. on the make may rely on it. South of the Equator the market is huge. And Ubuntu's meaning is part of life there.
[05:03] <membreya> Null: /etc/modules is a file
[05:03] <cryptoknight> dvd-r was the first standard
[05:03] <Null> oh...
[05:03] <cryptoknight> +r came on later so not all dvd players play +r
[05:03] <nickoli> when did the ubuntu project begin
[05:03] <ells> crytpoknight, they do seem more in use ,and are more expensive
[05:03] <tyrese> nickoli, From the press release, I think it's only 6 months old
[05:03] <a_peck> tyrese, if things are clearly said, we can only hope for the best. otherwise, we need to ask for official communication.
[05:03] <cryptoknight> i get mine on sale at walmart (evil empire)
[05:03] <cryptoknight> 30 for 13 bux
[05:03] <nickoli> haha
[05:04] <a_peck> tyrese, best we can hope for and hope doing
[05:04] <cryptoknight> yes walmart is evil but they are so cheap i cant resist
[05:04] <holycow> a_peck, i run i.t. here, it's very credible with me at least, it will ge there, as long as ubuntu keeps on rolling back into debian and working with dd's closely, it's smooth sailing.
[05:04] <membreya> noone knows rsync? :(
[05:04] <ells> crytpoknight, I buy some there
[05:04] <linuxpoet> What do you need to know about rsync?
[05:04] <cryptoknight> btw alllinuxinfo.com is my site
[05:04] <membreya> linuxpoet: in rsync, doing a sudo rsync -av --exclude "/media/" / /media/downloads/Linux, that will backup everything from my root (/) but exclude /media/ correct?
[05:04] <cryptoknight> i am trying to index as much linux software as possible
[05:05] <nickoli> why
[05:05] <cryptoknight> i already got linuxlinks beat
[05:05] <ells> crytpoknight,really
[05:05] <cryptoknight> ya
[05:05] <a_peck> holycow, that's cool feedback :) all the work we are asked for! this rules :)
[05:05] <linuxpoet> yes
[05:05] <ells> cryptoknight, will have to check it out
[05:05] <linuxpoet> I would do -auv though
[05:05] <membreya> thankyou linuxpoet, I can stop doing -avn now :P
[05:05] <cryptoknight> there are currently over 44452 linux links online
[05:05] <nickoli> haha
[05:05] <linuxpoet> I believe it is -auv --exclude=
[05:05] <ells> cryptoknight, windows days are numbered
[05:05] <holycow> on a side note, does anyone know where to specify a specific refresh rate for xorg?  i know about refresh rates and resolutions, but when you select 'refresh rate' in gui, where does that get stored in a text file?  i have a resolution thats not working under vmware and need to forcibly drop down to 60hz
[05:06] <cryptoknight> i got php robots i made that go out and spider things
[05:06] <cryptoknight> to get new links
[05:06] <cryptoknight> >:)
[05:06] <tyrese> a_peck, the way I see it, it's like buing a car, which the makers, ie Ford, have tailored to appeal to as many as possible. Ford like thier product as it is, but if I talk it to my local boy racer, and get him to lower it, swap out the air filter for a racing model, and get some nice bucket sets, Ford are gonna be pissed
[05:06] <membreya> thankyou so much linuxpoet :)
[05:06] <linuxpoet> holycow: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:06] <linuxpoet> welcome
[05:06] <cryptoknight> yes i am one of those freaks that thinks php can replace anything pretyt much
[05:06] <holycow> a_peck, i am converting a sarge pilot project desktop to ubuntu, and will do a usability study here, as well, i have agreed with someone here to pilot an ubuntu desktop at home and will be doing a usability study there as well
[05:06] <cryptoknight> i havnt made a perl shell script in over 2 years now
[05:06] <cryptoknight> heh
[05:06] <linuxpoet> hey crypto
[05:06] <a_peck> tyrese, sure. but the difference is Ford is not open source!
[05:06] <holycow> my way of sharing back
[05:06] <cryptoknight> hey linuxboy
[05:07] <tyrese> a_peck, LOL - Good point!
[05:07] <cryptoknight> err linuxpoet
[05:07] <linuxpoet> have you tried plphp
[05:07] <nickoli> they should start an open source car company
[05:07] <helio7> what's a good alternate browser to firefox (just to test something) (preferably with graphics, I've already tried lynx)
[05:07] <cryptoknight> dont belive i have
[05:07] <membreya> linuxpoet: now I just have to make it a daily cron job :D
[05:07] <cryptoknight> what is it?
[05:07] <linuxpoet> konqueror helio7
[05:07] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[05:07] <membreya> helio7: galleon
[05:07] <helio7> thanks
[05:07] <tyrese> nickoli, An opensource car company - That would be brilliant, imagine the number of forks!!
[05:07] <linuxpoet> The ability to write server side functions and procedures in php for PostgreSQL
[05:07] <linuxpoet> plphp.commandprompt.com
[05:07] <holycow> linuxpoet, i know, where exactly do you force a 1024x76 to either be 60hz or 75? i don't see the relationship between default/current refresh rate and default/current resolution?
[05:07] <a_peck> holycow, :) what will sarge pilot bring to your business ?
[05:07] <nickoli> tyrese imagine
[05:07] <cryptoknight> i dont use postgres
[05:07] <cryptoknight> normally sqlite or mysql
[05:08] <linuxpoet> you are missing out
[05:08] <cryptoknight> http://alllinuxinfo.com/links/show.php?26851
[05:08] <linuxpoet> one sec holycow
[05:08] <cryptoknight> i dont see a need for stored procedures though
[05:08] <cryptoknight> i would use firedb if i did
[05:08] <tritium> ells, Hi Steve.  Getting ready for my trip.
[05:08] <linuxpoet> I don't no holycow sorry
[05:08] <a_peck> nickoli, tyrese, why not?
[05:08] <ells> tritium: where ya headed
[05:08] <holycow> a_peck, it was installed before hoary, we are switching away from windows.  it already brings greater productivity, stability, no viruses, no spyware, users cannot messup their ssystems, no licencing fees to ms ... i can write a book on it
[05:08] <linuxpoet> Your missing out :)
[05:08] <nickoli> a_peck lets do it
[05:08] <holycow> linuxpoet, no worries :)
[05:09] <cryptoknight> give me 1 advantage of using a stored procedure
[05:09] <a_peck> you got linux, apache, php, mysql, dotproject, wikis, and everything you need
[05:09] <tritium> ells, Arizona :)
[05:09] <linuxpoet> Performance
[05:09] <tyrese> nickoli, An opensource car, would only be able to drive in certain countries, because of the encryption used, central locking wouldn't be allowed to be used in the US
[05:09] <linuxpoet> code management
[05:09] <ells> tritium: really, where
[05:09] <cryptoknight> isnt that what the UI is for?
[05:09] <goLonghorns> if I already have 4 primary partitions, (NTFS, swap, ext3, ext3), is there a way to put one more on without hosing the original 4?
[05:09] <tritium> ells, Tucson to visit my sister, and then head up to the U2 concert in Phoenix
[05:09] <linuxpoet> depends on what code you are trying to manage
[05:09] <a_peck> holycow, are the users happy?
[05:09] <linuxpoet> presentation code, sure that is what the UI is for
[05:09] <ells> tritium: remember, that is where I am from
[05:09] <nickoli> whats an aplay:main:507: audio open error
[05:09] <a_peck> nickoli, :))
[05:09] <tyrese> goLonghorns, I don't think you can
[05:10] <cryptoknight> no i mean shouldnt the ui format the data the proper way before it puts it into the db
[05:10] <tritium> ells, I know!
[05:10] <holycow> a_peck, so far it's amazing, they only had 5 minutes tutorial (1 person to teach the 10 others), and they are fine
[05:10] <ells> tritium: I hope you enjoy the weather
[05:10] <tritium> ells, yep
[05:10] <ells> tritium: You need to go and get an eegee
[05:10] <tyrese> goLonghorns, If I was you, I would move the swap and the two ext3 partitions into an extende partition. And then add another partition
[05:11] <nekohayooo> hey guys, just wanted to say I fixed the nvidia problem.. by rebooting >___<;; *runs away in shame*
[05:11] <linuxpoet> Yes but that doesn't mean it will, but that is more about constraints anyway... I was speaking more about functions for handling logic
[05:11] <ells> tritium: they have awesome sandwiches and fruit slushees
[05:11] <holycow> a_peck, two problems we haveto solve: some of our word docs don't convert fully in oo.o (small issue, not a problem), and i need to setup a 'shared' folder on a multiuser system with the right permissions so readers can also write to the files between users (i got info on this the other day)
[05:11] <tritium> ells, I've been there, dude :)
[05:11] <linuxpoet> For example with php5
[05:11] <linuxpoet> You could do
[05:11] <holycow> a_peck, we are also standardizing on devices that have known linux support so thats not an issue at all either
[05:11] <ells> tritium: I wish they would franchise out of Arizona
[05:11] <linuxpoet> (pseudo code)
[05:11] <linuxpoet> try:
[05:11] <linuxpoet> insert stuff
[05:11] <linuxpoet> except:
[05:11] <a_peck> holycow, write the book then, online, on a wiki. publish it as a best practice. expose it to ubuntu-lovers / consultants
[05:11] <holycow> a_peck, most mobos have linux support so upgrading wont be a problem
[05:11] <membreya> clever jordanau :P
[05:11] <goLonghorns> tyrese,  are there any rules one must follow about extended partitions? i.e. where it should start?
[05:11] <linuxpoet> I am sorry you didn't use a correct date format
[05:12] <linuxpoet> Since the database is going to throw an exception
[05:12] <holycow> a_peck, thats the goal :), the only problem is time
[05:12] <jordanau> membreya, sticky actually
[05:12] <tyrese> Does anyone else in here run ubuntu on a PowerPC aka *mac*-?
[05:12] <a_peck> holycow, it's a wiki...
[05:12] <linuxpoet> You don't have to worry about the client UI, you just have to catch the error and allow the user to re-enter
[05:12] <cryptoknight> but a simple if (preg_match(){ do code } else { error}
[05:12] <holycow> okay so does anyone here know the relationship between v / h refresh rates and resoultions in x?  how do i manually force x to go to a particular resolution and particular refresh rate for it?
[05:12] <cryptoknight> would do the exact same thing
[05:12] <jordanau> anyone here play planeshift?
[05:12] <goLonghorns> holycow,  xtimings.sf.net ?
[05:12] <linuxpoet> It isn't the "exact" same thing
[05:12] <nickoli> jordanau never heard of it
[05:13] <holycow> a_peck, are you an ubuntu dev?
[05:13] <] BreliC[> jordanau, not yet.. how is it?  i was checking it out today
[05:13] <linuxpoet> Try it sometime, push it against say 1000 transactions over 15 connections
[05:13] <a_peck> holycow, i don't dev at all. am rookie user
[05:13] <tyrese> goLonghorns, a hardisk can have 4 partitions 1-4 can be primary, but then thats the max. If you make partition 4 an Extended Partition, then you can create as many partitions in there as you like
[05:13] <goLonghorns> holycow,  err, xtiming*
[05:13] <jordanau> It is updating i will let you know when i finally can play it
[05:13] <linuxpoet> If you push it into the DB you are going to get better reliability
[05:13] <stryderjzw> hi, i was wondering if it's possible to install using live cd disk
[05:13] <cryptoknight> well see currently i manage a web app that has about 10,000 concurent connections
[05:13] <jordanau> nickoli, it is an openly develpoed free mmorpg
[05:13] <cryptoknight> php 4 and mysql
[05:13] <nickoli> wohh mmorpg no way
[05:13] <tyrese> goLonghorns, I would recommend using something like partition magic to walk yourself through it - it's pretty easy
[05:13] <goLonghorns> tyrese,  coolness.. I shall look into this further.. thanks :)
[05:13] <linuxpoet> and?
[05:13] <nickoli> jordanau fps for lif
[05:13] <holycow> goLonghorns, i know x does some of the caclulations automatically, but there has to be a text file that stipulates what the CURRENT default setings are? xorg.conf stipulates the possibilities only
[05:14] <cryptoknight> it all runs on a single pentium 4 box
[05:14] <cryptoknight> with 512 of ram
[05:14] <cryptoknight> n/p
[05:14] <jordanau> nickoli, i understand me too
[05:14] <holycow> a_peck, lol no worries, just curious, your questions are reather pointed
[05:14] <jordanau> nickoli, but it is free and i am bored
[05:14] <nickoli> jordanau thats why i got cedega, i need my cs
[05:14] <jordanau> nickoli, yeah i have it on my windows boot
[05:14] <membreya> pentium 4 ...*barfs*
[05:14] <nickoli> jordanau you kept a win boot
[05:14] <ells> nickoli, cedega is not free, right
[05:14] <nickoli> yea
[05:15] <jordanau> nickoli, mmmm dod source soon
[05:15] <cryptoknight> i agree i hate pentium as well but ya know i didnt buy the hardware
[05:15] <a_peck> holycow, i'm a big fan of open source. it will bring a fresh choice to people. a new hope. every tool is a jedi :) fed with the Force and all ;)
[05:15] <nickoli> jordanau i have source
[05:15] <cryptoknight> btw has anyone checked out fpdf
[05:15] <nickoli> no
[05:15] <ells> nickoli, I am not gonna pay for software for open source
[05:15] <jordanau> nickoli, yes i kept a winboot
[05:15] <nickoli> jordanau lol
[05:15] <cryptoknight> very nice alternative for pdflib
[05:15] <membreya> cryptoknight: but it's just cheap to buy an amd64 :P
[05:15] <jordanau> dod source?
[05:15] <nickoli> ells its worth it
[05:15] <cryptoknight> free and open source
[05:15] <nickoli> jordanau dod no
[05:15] <ells> nickoli, what all does it do
[05:15] <cryptoknight> i agree membreya
[05:15] <nickoli> ells cedega
[05:16] <ells> yeah
[05:16] <cryptoknight> but the box was given to me
[05:16] <a_peck> holycow, also I'm trying to find my way into e-business consulting in Brazil, freelance, so I've been reading and thinking
[05:16] <cryptoknight> so....... i use it
[05:16] <nickoli> ells the best stuff ever
[05:16] <holycow> a_peck, i'm fine with the commercial software industry, but you don't realize what blasted scam artists they are until you run a trully free system, for example, macromedia is packaging yahoo toolbar with their plugins now, can you believe that nonsense?
[05:16] <nickoli> ells its $15 come on
[05:16] <cryptoknight> time for flash to die!
[05:16] <ells> nickoli, really
[05:16] <holycow> symantec uses scare tactics with respect to osx to get sales up because no one needs antivirus on osx
[05:16] <] BreliC[> holycow, it becomes incestuous
[05:16] <a_peck> holycow, lol. call it freedom of choice :)
[05:16] <ells> nickoli, I thought it was more
[05:16] <nickoli> ells i just lost my pswd so i cant cancel my subscription
[05:16] <nickoli> ells no
[05:16] <ells> nickoli, it is a monthly fee?
[05:17] <nickoli> ells yea
[05:17] <nickoli> ells but you can cancel
[05:17] <holycow> ] BreliC[, absolutely, i just found a company selling 'installation tools' for linux, my god how i despise the ms mindset trying to move over to linux, they have no clue even when they actually do the work
[05:17] <nickoli> ells anyways its only 5 a month so w/e
[05:17] <ells> nickoli, 5 a month
[05:17] <nickoli> ells yes
[05:17] <Null> devscott: well I got the pcmcia_core and i82365 modules to load, but now it doesn't recognize the network card
[05:17] <odyssey> has anyone managed to compile cedega from cvs?
[05:17] <ells> nickoli, what all does it do
[05:17] <nickoli> ells plays any win game
[05:18] <cryptoknight> no odyssey
[05:18] <helio7> ok random question: what would you suspect if you were unable to load http://www.haloscan.com/ and any site using their "commenting" tool, but everything else on the web works fine, and they claim not to do any system-wide blocking of IP addresses?
[05:18] <jordanau> ells, get the CVS for free :)
[05:18] <nickoli> no way
[05:18] <ells> jordanau: where
[05:18] <nickoli> thats some hairy stuf
[05:18] <cryptoknight> helio7,  it could be one of your settings actually
[05:18] <jordanau> yeah i know but no cost :)
[05:18] <odyssey> jordanau, you managed to build it
[05:18] <jordanau> no
[05:18] <] BreliC[> holycow, how true!  unfortunately the capitalist mindset of the business world will overtake the communist (and i mean this in the pure sense of the word) mindset of open source
[05:18] <cryptoknight> a buddy of mine couldnt get to the sprint.com site for over a year
[05:18] <nickoli> dang kaffeine just bugged out
[05:18] <jordanau> just a suggestion
[05:18] <a_peck> holycow, you must hope it stops, but not likely until computer class isn't "Learn to use MS Excel, vol 1" anymore
[05:18] <helio7> cryptoknight: such as which setting crypto?
[05:18] <jordanau> have you seen the how to to do it with the script?
[05:18] <Forsakenblade41> Somebody please help me
[05:19] <ells> jordanau: the free one wont work
[05:19] <helio7> cryptoknight: it worked just fine for a long time
[05:19] <holycow> ] BreliC[, true, but as long as there is richard stallman and debian, we have an island of freedom to bank on
[05:19] <nickoli> Forsakenblade41 with what
[05:19] <cryptoknight> it had to do with a default high traffic flag set in the kernel
[05:19] <ells> jordanau: the free one wont work?
[05:19] <cryptoknight> ba
[05:19] <Xenguy> Forsakenblade41: question?
[05:19] <jordanau> ells, will it not?
[05:19] <nickoli> now my sound is not working
[05:19] <] BreliC[> amen ;)
[05:19] <ells> jordanau: just asking
[05:19] <Forsakenblade41> Im trying ot install ubantu and it wil get to "searching for php cards" and freeze
[05:19] <membreya> damn, rsyncing my entire drive takes a while :P
[05:19] <Forsakenblade41> to*
[05:19] <ells> jordanau: are you using it
[05:19] <jordanau> ells, i dont know it is a development release so it is not as easy check this page out
[05:19] <crimsun> nickoli: how so?
[05:19] <nickoli> membreya whats rsync for
[05:20] <helio7> cryptoknight: I can't even load it via Lynx... so what setting could it possibly be
[05:20] <nickoli> crimsun what my sound
[05:20] <ells> jordanau: where is it at
[05:20] <K-Rich> well i tried installing hoary and it let me know the CD was bad, of course, it waited until after it formated my drive
[05:20] <jordanau> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[05:20] <membreya> nickoli: on a local machine, pretty much an advanced CP :P
[05:20] <tyrese> Where can I find decoders for my AVI files? A lot of stuff I have won't play
[05:20] <helio7> nickoli: for synchronized backup tasks (rsync)
[05:20] <Null> devscott: and in ifconfig eth0 doesn't show up
[05:20] <crimsun> nickoli: right, I'm asking for more details. Simply saying "it's not working" is slim pickings to diagnose
[05:20] <ells> jordanau: cool
[05:20] <cryptoknight> i belive it was tcp_ecm
[05:20] <jordanau> odyssey, did you try the link above for the CVS??
[05:20] <nickoli> crimsun sorry but kaffeine force shutdown, and now my sound is not working
[05:21] <helio7> cryptoknight: tcp_em? that's directed at me?
[05:21] <a_peck> holycow, and as soon as it will be of interest to the public (through e-business), the community may become an asset for companies. debian can stay free if nobody corrupts it. hopefully, no one needs kings anymore...
[05:21] <crimsun> nickoli: kaffeine? so you're using kubuntu?
[05:21] <nickoli> crimsun negative
[05:21] <cryptoknight> yes helio7
[05:21] <jordanau> i am about to play planeshift i will tell y'all how it is
[05:21] <nickoli> crimsun kde angered me when i used mdk 10.1
[05:21] <membreya> hmmm, what's the kcore file for in /proc/ ?
[05:21] <crimsun> nickoli: what's kaffeine's sound backend configured as?
[05:21] <helio7> ok thanks; gives me something to google
[05:21] <DonL> thanks to everybody here and on the forum for the hints to get me from Warty to Hoary. Finally happened last night
[05:21] <cryptoknight> send an email to tuxthepenguin@secureirc.org
[05:21] <nickoli> crimsun let me try totem
[05:21] <cryptoknight> and ask him what setting it was for the sprint site
[05:22] <K-Rich> crimsun: dude, can i get your repository address again?
[05:22] <cryptoknight> it all evolved around a cisco bug
[05:22] <crimsun> K-Rich: it's deprecated now that Hoary has release.
[05:22] <crimsun> +d
[05:22] <cryptoknight> and only certin models got an upgrade
[05:22] <nickoli> crimsun ok its just kaffeine sound thats not working
[05:22] <nickoli> crimsun totem is running fine
[05:22] <cryptoknight> as a result it breaks a very specific QOS flag in tcp packets
[05:22] <K-Rich> crimsun: Hmmm... i'm still using Warty... can't seem to get Hoary installed to save my life :/
[05:23] <smouche> I thought kaffeine and totem both used xine
[05:23] <helio7> nickoli: try this hoary soundfix http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=audio%20flash
[05:23] <crimsun> K-Rich: deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[05:23] <DonL> K-Rich, me too. After a couple of failed attempts, I was ready to call it quits
[05:23] <cryptoknight> K-Rich,  what kinda errors u having?
[05:23] <nickoli> helio7 now totem is locking up
[05:24] <helio7> nickoli: that link I passed you fixed sound in firefox for me, and has a few other sound-fixes for hoary issues...
[05:24] <nickoli> alright let me try this
[05:24] <K-Rich> cryptoknight: from the CD is said the CD was bad and it can't get bsdutils, then i tried apt and got an error on it not being able to configure any of the opackages :/
[05:25] <cryptoknight> i had a similar issue with the freetype fonts
[05:25] <cryptoknight> i kept getting io errors
[05:25] <nickoli> well i guess i will fix my sound later
[05:26] <nickoli> just reboot
[05:26] <cryptoknight> i ended up having to force it to dl from one of the sites
[05:26] <mcrawfor> odd - uqm-content is in apt but not uqm itself
[05:26] <smouche> nickoli, kaffeine is buggy -- may still be running, even if you closed it -- check top -- is your cpu running hard?
[05:26] <mcrawfor> anyone know what's up with that?
[05:27] <nickoli> smouche 4% useage
[05:27] <chavo> mcrawfor, I see both here.
[05:27] <mcrawfor> really?
[05:27] <nickoli> if im not using ssh can i shut down the ssh process
[05:27] <mcrawfor> hoary?
[05:27] <chavo> yes
[05:27] <smouche> anyway, after I play a dvd in kaffeine, and close it, kaffeine keeps my cpu throttled up with fan blowing
[05:27] <mcrawfor> i have universe enabled
[05:28] <nickoli> haha
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> smouche, try using mplayer instead
[05:28] <cryptoknight> ooooooo
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> it seems to have a much lower resource need
[05:28] <nickoli> what does sleeping mean n the process list
[05:28] <DonL> no problems with mplayer in Hoary?
[05:28] <cryptoknight> no webmin package for horray?
[05:29] <smouche> yep, nomasteryoda, I'm putting 'em all through their paces
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> ah, ic
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i used xine, but found it lacking for some stuff
[05:29] <jr_G-man> anybody got dmraid to work?
[05:29] <jr_G-man> it doesn't appear to be on my system...
[05:29] <jr_G-man> and i can't apt-get it
[05:29] <jr_G-man> and i can't compile it because it can't find libdevmapper.h
[05:29] <DonL> I always liked mplayer better, but for some reason it stopped working in Warty for me
[05:29] <jr_G-man> even though libdevmapper is installed and up to date
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> and I keep a geexbox disk around for kicks... it is too cool to boot up with a miniCD and only have mplayer working
[05:30] <mcrawfor> hmm - so i see it in multiverse
[05:30] <mcrawfor> do people recommend enabling multiverse?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> and i can watch my encrypted dvds with it
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> ... dvds i got from the dumpster
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:30] <nickoli> sweet
[05:30] <smouche> lol
[05:30] <mcrawfor> i have no production stable needs, but i've made some very confused systems by using the unstable-est level in package managers before...
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> so free OS, free computer, free dvds and free player
[05:31] <nickoli> nice
[05:31] <nickoli> my comp wasnt free dam
[05:31] <nickoli> i spited dell with ubuntu
[05:31] <cryptoknight> lol
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> dumpster diving has its upside, the downside is all the extra crap you have lying around
[05:31] <smouche> my electricity is sort of free.  wish my broadband was...
[05:31] <cryptoknight> i got mine on sale at you guesed it walmart!
[05:31] <cryptoknight> well this 1 at least
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> nice
[05:32] <nickoli> i want one of those wal-mart linux lappys
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:32] <DonL> WalMart's selling Linux boxes, aren't they?
[05:32] <cryptoknight> yep
[05:32] <DonL> snap
[05:32] <nickoli> read it on lxer
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> DonL and laptops
[05:32] <BlackLabel> is there a way i can make a partition readable and writable on my ubuntu/winxp dual boot system?
[05:32] <cryptoknight> only on walmart.com though
[05:32] <ells> does anyone know if I have to have this file  /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> BlackLabel: which partition? NTFS?
[05:32] <nickoli> ells delete it and see what happens
[05:32] <cryptoknight> linux dont officially support writing to ntfs
[05:32] <crimsun> ells: if you want to compile OpenGL applications, yes
[05:32] <DonL> cryptoknight, not in the stores?
[05:33] <nickoli> no
[05:33] <ells> nickoli, ok, is that what I want
[05:33] <nickoli> ells yes
[05:33] <cryptoknight> DonL,  not that i have seen
[05:33] <ells> cool, what the hell
[05:33] <cryptoknight> there is also ext explorer for windows btw
[05:33] <nickoli> ells libgl you dont need that for gl
[05:33] <DonL> Hmmm. Wouldn't want those things on display. lol
[05:33] <cryptoknight> lets you see ext2/3 drives in windows and copy between the 2
[05:33] <BlackLabel> doesnt matter what fs, just as long as i can read and write with winxp and linux
[05:33] <ells> nickoli, we will see what happens
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> BlackLabel: if you value your data... make a shared parition that is fat32
[05:33] <nickoli> ells alright
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> linux will write to that fine
[05:33] <BlackLabel> ok
[05:33] <smouche> fat32
[05:34] <ells> nickoli, be right back
[05:34] <BlackLabel> winxp will read the fat32 partitoin?
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> it was my solution for a few years
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> then i told MS to take a hike
[05:34] <nickoli> ells alright
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> BlackLabel: yes
[05:34] <BlackLabel> ok
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> read, write
[05:34] <smouche> I like fat32 cause it's easy to remember which partition I'm sharing stuff on if I'm reformatting or repartitioning...;-)
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> you could even install XP on a fat32 if it was using the Upgrade mode
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> but then security would be the issue
[05:35] <nickoli> use fat16
[05:35] <cryptoknight> not really nomasteryoda
[05:35] <cryptoknight> the "Security" in ntfs is easily circumvented
[05:35] <nomasteryoda>  well, at least from the windows xp side
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> ic
[05:35] <nickoli> just dont use windows
[05:35] <DonL> That's right, nomasteryoda . My wife's XP is an upgrade from 98 and I think it's Fat 32
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:36] <smouche> winxp is fine with fat32; I have some drives on my xp box in fat32, some ntfs.  No problem
[05:36] <cryptoknight> seriously there are programs to crack the "encrypted" files on ntfs in under a minute
[05:36] <DonL> I don't use Windows on my machine, but my wife and son have windows boxes
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> i kept having permission issues with one windowsxp box at work... lo and behold - fat32
[05:36] <nickoli> DonL take it off
[05:36] <cryptoknight> lol
[05:36] <DonL> I have to retain some familiarity with them to fix the viruses
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> DonL, i don't support windows at home.
[05:36] <cryptoknight> bestcrypt is the best for security in any environment
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> i get paid to do that at work
[05:36] <cryptoknight> :D
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:37] <nickoli> DonL 12 at night go around and take win off their boxes
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:37] <DonL> nomasteryoda, they can use what they want.
[05:37] <DonL> lol
[05:37] <nickoli> DonL if not that put on knoppix
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:37] <cryptoknight> eek
[05:37] <DASC> hi
[05:37] <cryptoknight> knopix
[05:37] <a_peck> :)
[05:37] <DonL> Very sneaky! lol
[05:37] <nickoli> cryptoknight that has been a life saver for me
[05:37] <cryptoknight> i cant stand knoppix
[05:37] <nickoli> cryptoknight why
[05:37] <jordanau> yeah planehshift is boring
[05:37] <cowbud> ahh
[05:37] <cowbud> breezy is already aboot..
[05:37] <cryptoknight> it's just so....... toyish
[05:37] <DonL> The live Ubuntu is great
[05:37] <cowbud> excellent
[05:37] <cryptoknight> and i hate the desktop
[05:38] <nickoli> kde
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> DonL, have you tried the knoppix Cebit 3.8 qemu version? you can pop that sucker into a windows machine with windows running and it will load right up
[05:38] <cryptoknight> ya
[05:38] <cryptoknight> kde based
[05:38] <cryptoknight> *gag*
[05:38] <beh> does anyone here use comcast
[05:38] <DonL> Oh no, I haven't, nomasteryoda
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> it is very slick
[05:38] <membreya> back off of kde :P
[05:38] <nickoli> cryptoknight i loved kde till it kept crashing on mdk
[05:38] <cowbud> nomasteryoda: is that available for download yet?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:38] <cryptoknight> kde is just to bloated for me
[05:38] <nickoli> cryptoknight a bit
[05:38] <cowbud> sweet i'll have to grab it..
[05:38] <cryptoknight> i am an icewm / gnome person
[05:38] <jordanau> whats the new one, yellow dog?, where you can burn your settings on the cd?
[05:38] <nickoli> cryptoknight whats icewm
[05:38] <cryptoknight> icewm?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> jordanau: wow
[05:39] <bestadvocate> hey does anyone here use rox?
[05:39] <nickoli> whats that
[05:39] <jordanau> nickoli, it is a window manager
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> yellowdog is redhat
[05:39] <cryptoknight> REALLY light weight window manager
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> basically
[05:39] <DonL> I loved KDE till I got Gnome 2.8. Now with 2.10 it's even better
[05:39] <nickoli> cryptoknight sounds shifty
[05:39] <beh> does anyone here use comcast cable internet?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> i have it on my Dumpsterdove powerbook
[05:39] <cryptoknight> lol
[05:39] <nickoli> beh no
[05:39] <tritium> beh, yes
[05:39] <jordanau> nomasteryoda, maybe it is based off it then
[05:39] <cryptoknight> beh nope
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> DonL, yea... the new ubuntu is nice
[05:39] <smouche> I do, bestadvocate, in kubuntu.  Works great -- er, rox file manager you mean? or rox desktop?
[05:39] <nickoli> beh comcast makes to much off my cable tv
[05:40] <cryptoknight> what do you need assistance with beh ?
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> DonL and i started the build process for Beagle... in my ubuntu box
[05:40] <beh> tritium have you ever had it where it would not resolve domain names or it would take realllly long
[05:40] <nickoli> beh i broke the cable box remote hope they dont need it back
[05:40] <DonL> Maybe I'll have to install Kubuntu on my spare drive to try it
[05:40] <tritium> beh, no, can't say that I have
[05:40] <beh> well this is the second time its happened its pissing me off
[05:40] <cryptoknight> try diffrent dns servers
[05:40] <beh> how do i know what to switch em too
[05:40] <cryptoknight> in /etc/resolve
[05:40] <nickoli> beh verizon dsl
[05:40] <beh> i reset my modem but it gets the same dns servers
[05:40] <bestadvocate> rox the file manager smouche
[05:40] <DonL> What's Beagle, nomasteryoda
[05:40] <beh> nickoli i need real help
[05:40] <smouche> I hated kde before, with kubuntu I loved it.  Once I turned off the bouncing cursors!
[05:40] <cryptoknight> put 65.110.52.160 as your first dns server
[05:40] <nickoli> beh ohh sorry
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> DonL, here's the link http://tinyurl.com/563op for the knoppix qemu
[05:40] <beh> lol
[05:40] <jordanau> nomasteryoda, it is called puppy
[05:41] <bestadvocate> smouche do you know how to trun on regular spartal instead of ubuntu spartal?
[05:41] <smouche> rox-filer is fantastic, bestadvocate.
[05:41] <DonL> Thanks I'll take a look
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> DonL, the best search engine for your desktop
[05:41] <nickoli> i dont trust a linux named puppy
[05:41] <cryptoknight> *should* work
[05:41] <smouche> spartal?
[05:41] <smouche> spatial?
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> jordanau: no, go to www.nat.org
[05:41] <bestadvocate> lol yah
[05:41] <tugalone> is anyone on Comcast here?
[05:41] <beh> cryptoknight what is the line supposed to look like in resolv.conf
[05:41] <geneo93> hehe i just got booted from mandrake
[05:41] <smouche> you mean in nautilus?  sorry, I'm using kde now... and I've never been sure what spatial means...
[05:42] <beh> cryptoknight nvm
[05:42] <nickoli> beh eth0 iface inet dhcp isnt that it
[05:42] <bestadvocate> lol actually i ment from xfce
[05:42] <cryptoknight> sorry resolv.conf
[05:42] <DonL> nomasteryoda, does running linux under windows cause slowness?
[05:42] <cryptoknight> and nameserver 65.110.52.160
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> DonL, jordanau look at this site... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[05:42] <jeramy_> Anybody try qemu on ubuntu?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> DonL, you need plenty of ram
[05:42] <DonL> I would think
[05:42] <tugalone> cryptoknight: that a DNS public DNS server/
[05:42] <cryptoknight> yeppers tugalone
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> jeramy_: i have used ubuntu via qemu on my suse box
[05:42] <cryptoknight> ns1.secureirc.org
[05:42] <bestadvocate> smouche, the window hops around allot, is that the default?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> and my windows box at work
[05:43] <cryptoknight> and ns2.secureirc.org
[05:43] <nickoli> dam suse
[05:43] <cryptoknight> are public
[05:43] <cryptoknight> :)
[05:43] <jordanau> nomasteryoda, i know what beagle is i am talking about the live cd you can burn changes to
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> ic
[05:43] <jeramy_> How much RAM do you have, nomasteryoda?
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:43] <smouche> bestadvocate, - which window? Rox?
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> 1gb
[05:43] <tugalone> cryptoknight: but untrusted i suppose :0 Comcast just crapped their DNS servers i heard.
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> on this box
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> 512mb at work
[05:43] <bestadvocate> smouche yes the rox one
[05:43] <beh> cryptoknight just curious where did u get that dns server from
[05:43] <cryptoknight> yes tugalone
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> on my linux box and my windows xp box
[05:43] <cryptoknight> i own secureirc.org
[05:43] <calamari> hi
[05:43] <cryptoknight> thats one of my boxes
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:43] <DASC> anyone know. how i can recover archive?
[05:43] <beh> cryptoknight you have a dns server/
[05:43] <beh> ??
[05:43] <cryptoknight> secureirc-online.com
[05:43] <jeramy_> I tried running WinXP on qemu 0.5.5 with 256MB RAM
[05:43] <cryptoknight> yes beh
[05:43] <jeramy_> it was brutal
[05:44] <dayson> how do I make my default background bigger then 800x600 resolution?
[05:44] <cryptoknight> i got 6 of them
[05:44] <DonL> I bookmarked beagle and will check it out later, nomasteryoda
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> jeramy_: LOL
[05:44] <tugalone> cryptoknight: ever heard of dnssec? know of anyone supporting it?
[05:44] <beh> cryptoknight haha thanks much faster than the ones comcast assigns
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> DonL, cool
[05:44] <cryptoknight> np beh
[05:44] <smouche> hmmm- if you mean the automatic size changing, yeah, that seems weird at first, but now I like it; saves space on desktop, and usually saves scrolling
[05:44] <cryptoknight> should be wicked fast
[05:44] <jordanau> right now i am enjoying xfce is it the shit
[05:44] <cryptoknight> oc48
[05:44] <cryptoknight> :)
[05:44] <beh> cryptoknight do you know any other dns server for a secondary?
[05:44] <jeramy_> I also couldn't get the network to work either.
[05:44] <cryptoknight> sure
[05:44] <calamari> jeramy_: xp brutalizes you no matter what.. it's a horrible os
[05:44] <DASC> but i delete with the command for aberrancy
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> calamari: Amen
[05:44] <dayson> how do I make my default background bigger then 800x600 resolution?
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> xp sucks a system dry
[05:45] <cryptoknight> ns2.secureirc.org has address 207.150.170.80
[05:45] <smouche> but I don't know how well rox works out in gnome, nomasteryoda , if that's what you're using; in kubuntu it's great
[05:45] <jordanau> calamari, at least it is the best so far from them
[05:45] <cryptoknight> use that as secondary
[05:45] <beh> k thakns
[05:45] <jeramy_> calamari, I actually find it quite snappy.  I hate MS though, so I use XP as little as possible.
[05:45] <cryptoknight> i run a small hosting company
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> smouche: cool, i'll have to try
[05:45] <cryptoknight> secureirc-online.com
[05:45] <cryptoknight> in my spare time
[05:45] <holycow> okay i found how to manually force gnome to resize a session to a specific res/refresh: gnome obviously resizes x based on the session on login, the info for this is stored in gconf on a per user basis the file can be round in ~user/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/default/0
[05:45] <calamari> jordanau: I think 98 is still the best, but Ubuntu was good enough to switch to Linux, so I'm happy :)
[05:45] <jordanau> actually i take that back 98 SE was good
[05:45] <DonL> I think today is the last day MS will tolerate you not upgrading to SP2
[05:45] <cryptoknight> just a way for me to pay for all my toys basicly
[05:45] <jordanau> sgood timing :)
[05:46] <dazed> cryptoknight, i used to design web pages for small businesses when i was a few years younger
[05:46] <holycow> ms tolerate?
[05:46] <DonL> haha
[05:46] <holycow> i love the 1984'ish sound of that
[05:46] <holycow> they can bite me
[05:46] <DonL> holycow, exactly!
[05:46] <cryptoknight> i am an IT manager at a marketing company
[05:46] <cryptoknight> *gasp* for microsoft
[05:46] <jeramy_> Win98 crashes when you try and run newer GTK2 apps.  :(
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> holycow:  i discovered that my ubuntu box needed to have the monitor switched on to know the right mode for x... odd,
[05:46] <cryptoknight> well one of our clients is microsoft i should say
[05:46] <DASC> i delete with the command mc -R
[05:46] <odyssey> is anyone in here using seahorse?
[05:46] <DASC> help me please
[05:46] <beh> cryptoknight what kind of connection are your servrs on
[05:47] <DASC> is so important
[05:47] <cryptoknight> oc48
[05:47] <holycow> nomasteryoda, thats a hidden little piece of info i couldn't google for ages,someone was kind enough ina gnome channel to help, hoping to share
[05:47] <dazed> cryptoknight, time for you to leave NOW! :)
[05:47] <a_peck> cryptoknight, you shouldn't in fact
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:47] <cryptoknight> shouldnt?
[05:47] <dazed> lol
[05:47] <DonL> cryptoknight, I didn't hear you say anything bad about you know who
[05:47] <a_peck> cryptoknight, it's confi, right?
[05:47] <cryptoknight> well
[05:47] <cryptoknight> i am a strong linux supporter
[05:47] <K-Rich> so out of curiosity, how many are sticking to warty?
[05:47] <a_peck> lol DonL
[05:47] <cryptoknight> all my stuff is linux
[05:47] <cryptoknight> but i figure with me being where i am
[05:47] <calamari> weird wquestion for you guys.. I copied the Arial font from 98se, and firefox uses it, but I get no bold.  Bold is actually a different font file.. is there a way to combine them so I can have bold text?
[05:48] <cryptoknight> i can influance alot of ppl
[05:48] <cryptoknight> and i do
[05:48] <cryptoknight> i pursuade alot of our clients to move to linux
[05:48] <cryptoknight> we are a 100% ubuntu shop now
[05:48] <a_peck> did MS say yes?
[05:48] <membreya> i influence people when I fart in an elevator...
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> holycow: all i had to do was Ctrl+Alt+Bkspc and it fixed the res, but that should work too
[05:48] <dazed> cryptoknight, your right linux is not where the money is considering its 90% free
[05:48] <jeramy_> K-Rich, my parents are still using warty.  But they have a dial-up connection and I haven't been over there to upgrade yet.  ;)
[05:48] <cryptoknight> i would disagree dazed
[05:48] <Edgan> cryptoknight: you use ubuntu for servers?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> cryptoknight: congrats on that man
[05:48] <tugalone> a_peck: lol. that'll be the day when Microsoft turns into a Linux shop.
[05:48] <a_peck> lol membreya, the message is more important than the conveyr they say
[05:48] <dazed> cryptoknight, why so?
[05:48] <cryptoknight> Edgan,  trial run yes
[05:48] <geneo93> i was selling ubuntu on mandrake and got booted
[05:49] <K-Rich> calamari: just install the msttcorefonts package from universe
[05:49] <Edgan> cryptoknight: that sounds heart warming
[05:49] <dazed> i have heard a lot of talk about ubuntu use for servers
[05:49] <cryptoknight> why so why?
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> geneo93: L:OL
[05:49] <calamari> K-rich: those fonts are inferior to the real fonts
[05:49] <dazed> lot of *good* talk
[05:49] <cryptoknight> it takes a bit of getting used to actually
[05:49] <K-Rich> calamari: err those are the real fonts
[05:49] <DonL> I found out about Ubuntu on the Fedora irc
[05:49] <calamari> K-rich: and I think I did that anyways
[05:49] <calamari> the probalem is there are separate fonts for normal, italic, bold, etc
[05:49] <cryptoknight> for the server side
[05:49] <cryptoknight> i am so not used to using packages
[05:49] <cryptoknight> right now i am using it for one of our mail servers
[05:49] <cryptoknight> seems to be ok
[05:50] <cryptoknight> just needs more documentation on that side
[05:50] <Edgan> dazed: I have heard talk of it going there with a subproject something like Kubuntu, but not much more.
[05:50] <cryptoknight> i found out about it on distrowatch
[05:50] <DASC> how is possible recover archives with mc?
[05:50] <Edgan> DASC: only with ext2, pretty much useless with ext3
[05:51] <dazed> Edgan, when i was looking at new distros before i chose ubuntu i was asking about stable server distros and ubu was one suggested
[05:51] <cryptoknight> i used to like mandrake for desktop
[05:51] <cryptoknight> but they got evil
[05:51] <Edgan> dazed: Everything I have heard says Ubuntu isn't for servers yet.
[05:51] <cryptoknight> turning into another redhat
[05:51] <DonL> I was looking for an easy to install Debian system with Apt
[05:51] <cryptoknight> Edgan,  it seems to work great
[05:52] <tritium> Edgan, if that's the case, than neither is Debian
[05:52] <cryptoknight> although.......... alot of wierd stuff with default installs
[05:52] <Edgan> tritium: debian is a whole other story
[05:52] <cryptoknight> like apache
[05:52] <geneo93> cryptoknight:  i was a silver member till last week screw them
[05:52] <cryptoknight> the cgi-bin dir is put in /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[05:52] <tritium> Edgan, not that different
[05:52] <Edgan> tritium: it has a much larger package base and moves at a snail pace
[05:52] <cryptoknight> i was bronze geneo93
[05:52] <daniels> Edgan: i don't see anything that makes ubuntu not ready for servers
[05:52] <cryptoknight> it just needs more docs for the server side
[05:52] <jeramy_> The only downside that I can think of, for Ubuntu as a server, is if you're running stuff from universe
[05:52] <tritium> Edgan, not much larger when you consider universe and multiverse repos
[05:52] <cryptoknight> or a editor or something
[05:53] <cryptoknight> to find the config files
[05:53] <daniels> Edgan: put it this way -- the *.ubuntu.com machines that withered the utter storm of the warty and hoary releases have been running ubuntu since before it was announced to the public
[05:53] <cryptoknight> to setup mailman was sorta rough
[05:53] <Edgan> daniels: Are all of the avaliable packages in non-universe/non-metaverse yet?
[05:53] <jeramy_> daniels, heh, good point.  :)
[05:54] <cryptoknight> i should make a php+gtk app for this
[05:54] <daniels> Edgan: non-universe/non-metaverse?
[05:54] <daniels> Edgan: we recompiled the entirety of debian main into universe
[05:54] <daniels> Edgan: modulo, of course, anything that failed to build from source
[05:54] <Edgan> daniels: universe and metaverse are non-supported, right?
[05:54] <cryptoknight> daniels,  any word on webmin?
[05:54] <jeramy_> Edgan, do you mean stuff like apache-mod-php4?
[05:54] <helio7> I can't load a particular url for some reason, and am trying to troubleshoot it; if I can ping the domain successfully, does that conclusively mean they are NOT ip-banning my ip? (they have no reason to, but I can't figure out why I can't load their page)
[05:55] <daniels> Edgan: universe and multiverse are not supported by ubuntu, right.  but there's a masters of the universe team which takes care of universe, and it's not like it gets any *worse* on the way from debian to ubuntu.
[05:55] <daniels> cryptoknight: no idea, sorry
[05:55] <Edgan> jeramy_: That would be one good example if it isn't in non-universe/metaverse
[05:55] <daniels> jeramy_: libapache2-mod-php4 is in main
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> i just installed php 4.x and phpbb 2.0.13 on my iis server today... very nice
[05:55] <cryptoknight> k thanks dandesmet
[05:55] <cryptoknight> err daniels
[05:55] <dazed> helio7 maybe its down for maintenance
[05:55] <Edgan> daniels: what is universe based on, stable, testing, or unstable?
[05:55] <dphase> any workarounds for the random X lockups caused by the current nvidia drivers?
[05:56] <jeramy_> Edgan, I think that it used to be in universe for Warty, but now it's obviously in main.
[05:56] <daniels> Edgan: unstable
[05:56] <membreya> sweet, my rsync works..backs up my entire drive, excludes /sys/ /proc/ and /media/ :D
[05:56] <difeta> hey all! I'm running hoary and for the last week i noticed that i cannot resolve any dns names for about 30minutes after the network devices are enabled. I can connect anywhere inside my network or externally via the up address but not via domain name... any ideas?
[05:56] <daniels> Edgan: we snapshot sid at various points, but we'll do rolling resyncs if needed to get something more stable
[05:56] <Edgan> daniels: so it pretty much as the latest stuff, but how many bugs are in server packages in universe?
[05:56] <DonL> dphase, I've noticed a couple of those since I went to Hoary. Figure they'll work themselves out
[05:56] <daniels> Edgan: only as many are in server packages in debian
[05:57] <dazed> difeta did you add them to your hosts?
[05:57] <Edgan> daniels: yeah, but you just said debian unstable, you saying you make unstable debian packages into packages with roughly the same quality as debian stable?
[05:57] <difeta> dazed add who do my hosts?
[05:57] <daniels> Edgan: stable and unstable are names
[05:58] <daniels> Edgan: you do know that testing also draws from debian unstable, right?
[05:58] <Edgan> daniels: yes, but unstable in my experience is just that.
[05:58] <ells> nickoli: it is installed
[05:58] <membreya> hmmm and now with rsync, if I do a --delete, it will remove any files in the receiving directory that I don't have in the originating source?
[05:58] <Edgan> daniels: I understand universe != debian unstable
[05:58] <DonL> I can stand living a little bit on the edge myself, lol
[05:58] <daniels> Edgan: we are not unstable, as I've said.  we draw from unstable at a given point, and then intelligently (human-initiated) sync back specific packages to fix bugs as appropriate.
[05:58] <membreya> woah.
[05:58] <membreya> no bad..bad adam
[05:59] <Edgan> daniels: but is the quality really improved much?
[05:59] <membreya> that would delete from my partition :P
[05:59] <racter> i just upgraded to hoary and i have no idea how to get sound working!  i've looked on the forums but nothing suggested there seems to help (alsa is already installed and appears to be configured properly, and the volume settings are all up, but apps still say "your soundcard is not configured properly" and the 'speaker-test' command doesn't output any sound).
[05:59] <daniels> Edgan: sure.  we fix bugs, we make small additions where necessary.
[05:59] <DonL> racter, what is you card?
[05:59] <racter> it's an intel i810
[06:00] <tritium> Edgan, might I suggest you try out the LiveCD to get a first impression?
[06:00] <cryptoknight> good night everyone
[06:00] <Edgan> daniels: ok, well, sounds like ubuntu is farther along than I thought. You guys waiting on Debian still to do multiarch?
[06:00] <DonL> That may be a problem
[06:00] <racter> oh?
[06:00] <daniels> Edgan: we're working with Debian on multiarch stuff, yes (some of our developers are very deeply involved in multiarch)
[06:00] <Edgan> tritium: I have tried warty live cd, hoary preview live cd(fried my /home partition), hoary live cd, and hoary install cd
[06:00] <guille> Hola!!
[06:00] <tritium> Edgan, super!
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> racter, i have a way to make the i810 behave
[06:01] <racter> awesome
[06:01] <daniels> Edgan: live CDs do not touch partitions
[06:01] <DonL> there ya go
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> let me get link
[06:01] <a_peck> hola!
[06:01] <guille> a_peck de donde eres?
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> i have a dell D505 and it has the i810/855g card
[06:01] <Edgan> daniels: I told it to mount /home and fsck wasn't happy with the results afterward
[06:01] <DonL> LOVE this place
[06:01] <a_peck> guille de brasil, pero estoy en madrid
[06:01] <a_peck> guille tu?
[06:01] <guille> soy de chiule
[06:01] <guille> acabo de instalar ubuntu
[06:01] <guille> xD
[06:02] <a_peck> guille :) necesitas ayuda o vienes participar, mirar...?
[06:02] <denver> could someone please tell me how in the hell to set a root pass in ubuntu
[06:02] <Edgan> daniels: luckily it worked out via fsck, but it was scary there for a minute. It turned /home/user into /home/#23423
[06:02] <denver> it would be oh so greatly appreciated
[06:02] <guille> ajaj solo estoy revisando las aplicaciones
[06:02] <guille> peor mna me faltara ayuda.. xD
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> racter: minde you my site is heavily focused on SuSE, the same method will work for Ubuntu
[06:02] <a_peck> guille :) ya volveras
[06:02] <racter> ok
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> racter: http://mgalug.org/suse/9.2
[06:02] <guille> ajaj si
[06:02] <tritium> denver, you're actuall encouraged to use sudo instead: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:02] <a_peck> :)
[06:03] <guille> y tu pasas muxo tiempo aca?
[06:03] <denver> tritium, i dont want to use sudo
[06:03] <a_peck> guille siempre que tengo tiempo para pasar un rato
[06:03] <tritium> denver, nevertheless, see the URL for what you want
[06:03] <denver> thanks so much man
[06:03] <guille> akjaja  que bueno
[06:03] <tritium> denver, np
[06:03] <Edgan> daniels: Do you think Ubuntu will have support in the next release in six monthes?
[06:03] <guille> hey a_peck tienes msn?
[06:03] <a_peck> guille veras esto es increible
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> denver, you can also use the "root" terminal
[06:03] <a_peck> si tio
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> makes it simpler
[06:03] <Edgan> daniels: I mean multiarch support
[06:04] <guille> cual es?
[06:04] <geneo93> denver:  sudo passwd root
[06:04] <daniels> Edgan: i don't know, but I doubt it.  it's a staggeringly massive undertaking.
[06:04] <jeramy_> Edgan, which arch?  It already supports PPC, x86, and x86-64.  That what you mean?
[06:04] <calamari> where is fonts:/// ?
[06:04] <racter> nomasteryoda: i'm not sure i'm looking at the right thing here - where does this page talk about sound?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> racter: just a sec
[06:05] <Edgan> jeramy_: x86_64, in all packages? daniels and what I have read don't seem to agree
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> that link is for my video stuff
[06:05] <Edgan> jeramy_: with your statement
[06:05] <daniels> Edgan: we already support amd64, with a pure64 system
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> i installed the intel i915 package
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> from their site
[06:05] <Edgan> daniels: yeah, pure64 is not good enough yet
[06:05] <daniels> Edgan: you're asking about one system, multiple architectures, no? (e.g. amd64 supporting both pure64 and i386)
[06:05] <Edgan> daniels: I need 32bit stuff and chroot, bleh
[06:05] <daniels> Edgan: you can install i386 if it makes you feel better
[06:06] <Edgan> daniels: that sort of defeats the point
[06:06] <jeramy_> Edgan, yeah, bleh.  I don't have that problem, because I can't afford an AMD64.  :)
[06:06] <nickoli> 64bit is overated
[06:06] <jordanau> can someone take a look at my pstree and tll me if i can eliminate anything unneccessary?
[06:07] <Edgan> nickoli: Have you tried it?
[06:07] <nickoli> Edgan no my friend has 754 setup
[06:07] <nickoli> Edgan and hes a hardcore win fan
[06:07] <Edgan> nickoli: don't know about 754, but my 939 setup is nice
[06:07] <jeramy_> daniels, your name sounds familiar... You work for Canonical, right?
[06:07] <racter> nomasteryoda: i see this dri-I915 rpm on intel's site, is that the one?  what does that do for sound?  it seems to be a graphics package.
[06:07] <nickoli> Edgan 939 what are you spending on your stuff
[06:08] <a_peck> bye all
[06:08] <Edgan> I think multiarch will become less nesscary now that XP x64 is about to come out. Then all the stuff that is tied to 32bit will slowly become avaliable for 64bit
[06:08] <nickoli> Edgan i run everything fine on my P2 i dont think 939 is necesary
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> looking for right link
[06:08] <Edgan> nickoli: About $140 for the motherboard and $300 for the processor
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> racter, so your system is complaining that it has no sound card?
[06:08] <nickoli> Edgan 32bit for life
[06:08] <jeramy_> Edgan, unfortunately Windows is what drives the market atm.
[06:08] <Edgan> nickoli: haha
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> or no driver for it?
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> just to make sure I understand how it is failing
[06:09] <Edgan> jeramy_: yeah, and support. I need 64bit java, flash, and some media dlls
[06:09] <nickoli> Edgan why did you get a 939
[06:09] <Edgan> nickoli: because 754 is already heading toward EOL
[06:09] <Edgan> nickoli: 939 is supposed to be able to do dual core processors
[06:09] <racter> nomasteryoda: when i run xmms it says "your soundcard is not configured properly" no matter what i choose.  and speaker-test doesn't output any sound.
[06:10] <calc> s939 in US is about the same price as s754
[06:10] <nickoli> Edgan mehh 754 i sticking round
[06:10] <Edgan> jeramy_: people like nickoli don't help the 64bit either. Need more adopters
[06:10] <Edgan> nickoli: I think the 3700+ is the last 754
[06:10] <DonL> racter, can you put in another sound card?
[06:10] <nickoli> Edgan w.e i  find that to be overated for linux
[06:10] <racter> donl: it's a laptop, so i can't really do that.
[06:10] <Edgan> nickoli: I know your opinion already
[06:10] <DonL> Ahhh
[06:10] <nickoli> Edgan ok good
[06:11] <racter> donl: i have a usb sound device, but i'm not sure that will work any better.
[06:11] <jeramy_> Edgan, well I won't be adopting any time soon either.  :)  No upgrades for me for multiple years.  Or until something breaks.
[06:11] <racter> and i'd rather not rely on that exclusively
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> racter: did you see this link? http://tinyurl.com/3uzpj
[06:11] <nickoli> Edgan is there any difference in the setup between a 32 and 64
[06:11] <nickoli> like the kernel
[06:11] <Edgan> jeramy_: I probably won't do a major upgrade for a few years, unless I get the much better job I have applied for.
[06:11] <calc> jeramy_: or until xfce requires a 5ghz cpu? ;)
[06:12] <Edgan> nickoli: the kernel is compiled for 64bit, can support more memory
[06:12] <calc> nickoli: 64bit has more registers
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> racter: look at clsdaniel's posting here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1312.html
[06:12] <calc> and has 64bit pointers
[06:12] <Edgan> nickoli: Where it is really at is the registers as calc just mentioned
[06:12] <Stas> hello
[06:12] <DonL> racter, I heard a while ago that the i810 chip might not be supported by anybody for long. That's why I suggested something else. but a laptop, I don't know
[06:12] <Stas> I am running a livecd of ubuntu
[06:12] <Stas> how can I increase the refresh rate of the screen?
[06:12] <calc> the pointers slow it down a bit but the registers more than make up for it
[06:12] <Stas> this 75Hz is REALLY hurting my eyes
[06:12] <] BreliC[> any issues on installing ubuntu onto sata drives?
[06:12] <racter> hrm.  it worked effortlessly in warty.
[06:13] <nickoli> Edgan ehh... well if it works for you good deal, anyways im spending $500 on a mini mac in june
[06:13] <DonL> racter, so it should in Hoary then, I would think
[06:13] <calc> nickoli: yea mac mini looks nice :)
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> DonL, yes
[06:13] <jeramy_> calc, I'm getting by with GNOME ok.  It's a little bit slow to start programs, but otherwise ok.
[06:13] <nickoli> calc 40gb hd divide 20/20 one linux one mac
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> i can't wait to get my hands on one... and put Ubuntu on it
[06:13] <Edgan> nickoli: I spent $650 on my last upgrade to A64 3500+, 1gb PC3200, nforc3 ultra board
[06:14] <DonL> After doing the math, I found the mini mac lacking
[06:14] <nickoli> Edgan geeze
[06:14] <calc> nickoli: i want one since they are supposedly silent almost all the time
[06:14] <jeramy_> and because they're so tiny
[06:14] <nickoli> calc well they are small form factor lacking fans
[06:14] <calc> yea that too :)
[06:14] <jeramy_> They'd make a great PVR
[06:14] <Edgan> nickoli: I also got pata to sata convertors so I didn't have to switch to sata or user multiple pci pata controllers
[06:14] <DonL> ...and powerful pc's are so cheap now
[06:15] <propagandhi> is anybody running beagle on ubuntu
[06:15] <nickoli> Edgan your setup is embarassing me im ashamed of my dell 2400
[06:15] <DonL> Somebody here is, propagandhi
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> nickoli: but the cool factor is +++... when the thing dies in 3 years due to heat issues, people will go damn, why did i go with this pos
[06:15] <racter> brb
[06:15] <calc> jeramy_: just need a really good usb hardware encoder, and a usb spdif
[06:15] <Edgan> nickoli: hehe, my last upgrade was to two 250gb drives from two 120gb drives, I use linux software raid to do striping
[06:15] <nickoli> nomasteryoda i was going to water cool it
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> that works
[06:16] <jeramy_> calc, do usb hw encoders have drivers in Linux?
[06:16] <daniels> jeramy_: yeah
[06:16] <nickoli> nomasteryoda put it in my freezer since its so small
[06:16] <calc> jeramy_: no idea
[06:16] <nicedreams> I keep getting "mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server" and I'm logged in as mythtv.  How can I fix this by giving mythtv access to X?
[06:16] <calc> jeramy_: or perhaps encode on another box and stream it on the mini
[06:16] <nickoli> nomasteryoda mount an apple lcd on the fridge door
[06:16] <jeramy_> daniels, I looked you up.  :)  You're doing the x.org and l-r-m packaging?
[06:16] <Stas> hi could someone help me?
[06:16] <jordanau> nomasteryoda, what did you think of puppy?
[06:16] <daniels> jeramy_: yeah
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> nickoli: I just installed a no fan zalman heat sink on my nvidia card
[06:17] <Stas> does ubuntu support digital sound output?
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> jordanau: puppy is pretty cool
[06:17] <nickoli> nomasteryoda i dont trust passive cooling
[06:17] <calc> Stas: if the alsa drivers do
[06:17] <Stas> can I play music through my s/pdif port?
[06:17] <nickoli> nomasteryoda my p2 box is like a wind tunnel
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> this thing is way better than the crappy fan that came on it
[06:17] <crimsun> Stas: yes
[06:17] <DonL> daniels, I have to thank you. Couldn'
[06:17] <Edgan> nickoli: my old XP 2500+ with 1gb PC2700 went into my server. I also have a P4 2ghz and XP 1700+. Then there is my XP 2600+ laptop.
[06:17] <jeramy_> daniels, I'll refrain from barraging you with a bunch of dev questions.  :)
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> and i have 4 fans in the box already
[06:17] <Stas> how can I do it crimsun, calc?
[06:17] <DonL> Couldn't get Xorg to work on Mandrake
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> i want water cooling when i go to 64bit
[06:17] <nickoli> Edgan ill take the 2500 if your not using it since its so old
[06:18] <calc> Stas: open volume control and edit preferences, and enable the sliders for iec958 devices (spdif)
[06:18] <calc> crimsun: thats correct, right?
[06:18] <crimsun> essentially.
[06:18] <Edgan> nickoli: hehe, it is in my server, of course I am using it. I could spare the 1700+ though. That box is my experiment box, which is what currently has hoary installed.
[06:18] <daniels> jeramy_: sweet deal
[06:18] <crimsun> will probably want to send to -Dplug:iec958, too, through ALSA directly
[06:18] <daniels> DonL: rad, thanks
[06:18] <calc> crimsun: ah
[06:18] <nickoli> Edgan 1700 is comparable to my dual p2 server box
[06:19] <jeramy_> calc, that would always be an option.  I saw WinTV GO cards for $20US with free shipping (although I don't know if they ship to Canada)
[06:19] <Stas> oh, ok thanks!!
[06:19] <DonL> Keep doing it. That work is appreciated
[06:19] <Stas> I have windows installed on hda1
[06:19] <Stas> can I access that partition from the livecd?
[06:19] <daniels> DonL: it's how I afford food, so there's no danger of me stopping any time soon ;)
[06:19] <Edgan> nickoli: ah, dual, nice. I had dual P3 650s a few years ago. One of the voltage regulators smoked and took the board, cpus, and memory with it.
[06:19] <DonL> I'd like to be able to make my passion my work
[06:19] <jeramy_> I guess calc is off to investigate $20 WinTV GO cards?  ;)
[06:19] <tritium> bob2, you around?
[06:20] <DonL> or vise versa
[06:20] <nickoli> Edgan i cant boot mine up
[06:20] <The_bellman> *newbie alert* it broke my sound damnit. Im using a laptop, and the speaker on it was never recognised on my old debian setup, but when i moved to ubuntu, it found it, and it worked like a dream. then i tried to see if it would work with some apple USB speakers and it didnt, but now it doesnt work with my normal speakers either *cries*
[06:20] <calc> jeramy_: no about time for me to go to bed :)
[06:20] <calc> jeramy_: i have a conexant blackbird
[06:20] <calc> jeramy_: though i haven't had time to set it up under linux
[06:20] <nickoli> Edgan the p2s start and i get a vid signal but nothing else
[06:20] <jeramy_> calc, me too.  I'm in Eastern Daylight
[06:20] <Edgan> nickoli: you have dsl or cable?
[06:21] <dracflamloc> whats a good IDE for c/c++ on linux besides anjuta?
[06:21] <nickoli> dsl
[06:21] <jeramy_> Does that have linux drivers?
[06:21] <nickoli> Edgan why
[06:21] <propagandhi> does anyone here use apollon?
[06:21] <] BreliC[> is anyone here using OOo 2.0 beta?
[06:21] <calc> jeramy_: some of the blackbirds do, not sure if mine works
[06:21] <propagandhi> yes
[06:21] <Edgan> nickoli: Was curious how deprived you are. :) Dialup would be hell for me.
[06:21] <jeramy_> ] BreliC[, I am.
[06:21] <tritium> ] BreliC[, I tried it, but don't use it regularly
[06:21] <] BreliC[> I'm having problems reading/writing files over NFS here on my lan
[06:21] <nickoli> Edgan not that deprived
[06:21] <Edgan> ] BreliC[: yeah
[06:22] <] BreliC[> it works fine with the 1.1.3
[06:22] <calc> jeramy_: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/cx88.html
[06:22] <jeramy_> I don't use NFS.  ;)
[06:22] <] BreliC[> is it a known issue?
[06:22] <beh> is OO 2.0 beta stable?
[06:22] <propagandhi> its not stable but its working fine for me so far
[06:22] <tritium> ] BreliC[, it also has trouble with word docs with tables
[06:22] <jeramy_> calc, so it's a bttv driver?
[06:22] <Edgan> ] BreliC[: haven't had it crash, but have seen some annoyances/bugs
[06:22] <propagandhi> it is a beta after all
[06:22] <jordanau> dracflamloc, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6762&highlight=Integrated+Development+Environment
[06:22] <blizah> how would i queue up files in firefox?
[06:22] <nickoli> could i setup ubuntu to be a gateway server, doing a minimal install
[06:22] <blizah> possible?
[06:22] <] BreliC[> hmm thanks guys.. good to know
[06:22] <calc> jeramy_: its a newer version of the bttv chips
[06:23] <] BreliC[> not sure why it wouldn't read files off nfs though
[06:23] <racter> nomasteryoda: that link you sent has the solution!
[06:23] <Edgan> nickoli: should be able to, iptables will act as a gateway with a few commands
[06:23] <adoyretsamon> propagandhi, a guy over on #suse said he lost 1000 characters with a random crash of OpenOffice 2.0 beta
[06:23] <moyogo> i'm getting this really strange behaviour in X
[06:23] <adoyretsamon> racter, sweet
[06:23] <jeramy_> calc, it's probably an easy setup.  I have zero experience with it though.
[06:23] <Edgan> nickoli: would probably need to install a dhcp server package
[06:23] <nickoli> Edgan cause my zonet router is not working, and i want a router
[06:23] <adoyretsamon> i love google
[06:23] <Stas> "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" what does that mean
[06:23] <racter> it was because of a conflict between snd-intel8x0m.ko and snd-intel8x0.ko - i just removed one of them and now my sound works.
[06:23] <moyogo> it just freeze when I use firefox or epiphany
[06:23] <adoyretsamon> racter, it's me over on my ubuntu box
[06:23] <jeramy_> Anyway, I'm off to bed.  My wife will probably complain as it is.  :)
[06:24] <Edgan> Stas: lack of the mikmod library, you need to install the right package
[06:24] <crimsun> Stas: it means you should install libmikmod2
[06:24] <adoyretsamon> racter, even better
[06:24] <Stas> oh ok :)
[06:24] <Stas> apt-get install?
[06:24] <DonL> racter, Yay!
[06:24] <crimsun> aptitude install, sure
[06:24] <racter> thanks for your help
[06:25] <DonL> Night Jero2K
[06:25] <adoyretsamon> i love this channel!... i don't care how the critics admonish IRC, it truly rocks@@!!
[06:25] <DonL> woops. Damn auto complete
[06:25] <DonL> You're right, adoyretsamon
[06:25] <adoyretsamon> np racter
[06:25] <adoyretsamon> thks
[06:25] <Stas> :((( xmms still freezes as soon as I try to play any song :((
[06:26] <calamari> is there a gnome or x application that simply prints the given command line to the window?
[06:26] <adoyretsamon> Stas, try using OSS instead of alsa
[06:26] <Stas> blah
[06:26] <Stas> how do I do that
[06:26] <adoyretsamon> just sec
[06:26] <nickoli> Stas good question
[06:26] <adoyretsamon> easy
[06:26] <adoyretsamon> it should be in hoary by default
[06:27] <adoyretsamon> right click xmms, click Audio I/O Plugins
[06:27] <nickoli> cause im testing my sound in point 2 play and oss and alsa arent working
[06:27] <adoyretsamon> click Output Plugin button
[06:27] <adoyretsamon> change to OSS
[06:27] <adoyretsamon> yea, i know
[06:28] <virtuald> what do i use the compose key for other than compose, s, s = ?
[06:28] <Stas> oh
[06:28] <Stas> it's already OSS :((
[06:28] <DonL> I better go too. Have to get up early for work
[06:28] <nickoli> everyone is leaving
[06:28] <DonL> Thanks for the chat folks!
[06:28] <DonL> Not everyone, nickoli
[06:29] <DonL> lol
[06:29] <nickoli> what
[06:29] <DonL> Night
[06:29] <nickoli> aight
[06:29] <s_fresh> umm... hi. may i ask a question here?
[06:29] <nickoli> no
[06:29] <tritium> s_fresh, always
[06:29] <Stas> how do I kill frozen apps in this?
[06:29] <nickoli> run command type kill
[06:29] <Stas> ok :)
[06:29] <jldugger_> Stas: in gnome?
[06:29] <adoyretsamon> Stas, also xkill
[06:29] <] BreliC[> Alt-F2, type xkill, then click on nonresponsive app
[06:29] <Stas> I thought there might have been a more graphical way of doing it
[06:29] <Stas> ;p
[06:29] <nickoli> that too
[06:30] <Stas> ah ok
[06:30] <s_fresh> okay. i just installed warty and i don't have sound. how do i go about gettin the sound?
[06:30] <Stas> ;p
[06:30] <jldugger_> Gnome should detect stalled apps when you click the X
[06:30] <Stas> gotcha
[06:30] <eruin> is there any way to block incoming traffic from a specific ip address?
[06:31] <jldugger_> Stas, but if it isn't working, you can also bring up the System Monitor, and kill things that way
[06:31] <nickoli> eruin iptables
[06:31] <Stas> ah, cool
[06:31] <mainer> 4easy way is to right-click in firestaarter on the hit,list, or use ip-tables deny.config
[06:31] <Stas> hmmm
[06:31] <eruin> iptables sounds like alot of work :o
[06:32] <Stas> this is actually pretty good
[06:32] <maxxist> anyone know why hoary isnt displaying any OpenGL graphics?  according to Synaptic the nvidia drivers are installed.
[06:32] <nickoli> eruin it is too much work
[06:32] <Stas> I wish it'd support my monitor though
[06:32] <nickoli> maxxist you have to activate it
[06:32] <Stas> I think this 60Hz refresh rate is going to kill my eyes
[06:32] <maxxist> lol
[06:32] <crimsun> maxxist: did you follow the directions on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[06:32] <maxxist> edit xorg.conf?
[06:32] <nickoli> maxxist yea
[06:32] <eruin> someone is sending me a shitload of packets o.O
[06:32] <crimsun> maxxist: see that url
[06:32] <maxxist> k
[06:32] <maxxist> dumb ass me.
[06:33] <adoyretsamon> Stas, fix it man
[06:34] <adoyretsamon> Stas, did you try reconfiguring it..? do you have the right drivers loaded for xorg?
[06:34] <jldugger_> adoyretsamon, I think that was a passive agressive plea for help. I salute you for answering his call, and wish you good luck troubleshooting it.
[06:34] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:34] <mainer> eruin:  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-bridge-fw.en.html#sD.3
[06:34] <adoyretsamon> i thought so... thanks
[06:34] <Stas> hmm
[06:34] <Stas> I don't know how to do that :|
[06:34] <propagandhi> who uses webmin
[06:35] <ells> has anyone had issues with getting realplayer to work after it is installed
[06:35] <mainer> eruin:  http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/doc/www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/iptables-intro.htm
[06:35] <membreya> propagandhi: me
[06:35] <nickoli> membreya how is it
[06:35] <mainer> eruin:   www.fs-security.com
[06:35] <DracosX> eruin: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[06:35] <Stas> mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/Windows/
[06:35] <propagandhi> do u know if there are third-party modules for webmin other than those linked from the webmin site
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> Stas, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> follow along
[06:35] <nickoli> DracosX i cant find firestarter
[06:35] <Stas> I used that to try to mount my windows partition
[06:35] <membreya> nickoli: very good, makes my life so much easier :) especially with cron and squid :)
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> it will walk you thru it
[06:35] <Stas> and I can't access it
[06:35] <Stas> unless I'm root
[06:35] <nickoli> membreya can i use that for my gateway
[06:36] <membreya> if it's running on your gateway
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> Stas, you need to use r
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> not rw
[06:36] <Stas> oh
[06:36] <nickoli> membreya what exactly is webmin for
[06:36] <Stas> I can't write to it?
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> correct
[06:36] <Stas> :(
[06:36] <propagandhi> webmin is just a web browser based administrator desk
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> if you value the data, then do not eve try
[06:36] <DracosX> I believe firestarter is in universe
[06:36] <Stas> lol thanks for the warning!
[06:36] <propagandhi> lets u edit running services and a whole bunch of other stuff
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> yup
[06:36] <mainer> eruin:  http://www.netfilter.org/
[06:36] <Stas> is ntfs support not so good here?
[06:36] <Stas> ;p
[06:36] <jldugger_> nickoli, its a way of administering a server with only a stupid webbrowser
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> reading ntfs is fine
[06:37] <membreya> nickoli: web based interface to services
[06:37] <eruin> mainer, DracosX - cheers ;-)
[06:37] <DracosX> no prob
[06:37] <propagandhi> which is damned handy when ur not sitting at the computer
[06:37] <nickoli> jldugger_ i like this configuring my gateway just go easier
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> Stas, better off to make a fat32 drive for sharing between them
[06:37] <mainer> n.p.
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> drive/partition
[06:37] <DracosX> I'd prefer to use a custom iptables shell script, but firestarter is hella easier for the inexperienced
[06:37] <Stas> ok :))
[06:37] <nickoli> how do i access the webmin interface
[06:37] <Stas> gotcha
[06:37] <Stas> alright
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> guarddog works well for firewall config too
[06:38] <propagandhi> nickoli: install webmin first
[06:38] <jldugger_> Stas, I've been told by certain people that ntfs is doing fine these days, but they also consider ~x86 "doing fine"
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> http://localhost:10000
[06:38] <nickoli> propagandhi alright im just now install my gateway
[06:38] <Stas> so do I let dpkg-reconfigure autodetect my video settings
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> after installing
[06:38] <Stas> ?
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> webmin
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> Stas, it does a good job
[06:38] <nickoli> adoyretsamon ohh sorry im installing the ubuntu server pkgs
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> but you can change
[06:38] <nickoli> my p2 is slow
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> ic
[06:39] <mainer> dracosx: ipkungfu is one of the best,very well-commented config file and easy install
[06:39] <DracosX> thanks, will check it out - still though, I prefer to roll my own firewall ;)
[06:40] <laszlok> what is the kernel version for hoary (uname -r)?
[06:40] <neonlightning> how do i mount all my partitions i have 4 that arn't mounted
[06:40] <nickoli> yea
[06:40] <nickoli> neonlightning mount /dev
[06:40] <adoyretsamon> add them to /etc/fstab
[06:40] <adoyretsamon> then run
[06:40] <adoyretsamon> sudo mount -a
[06:40] <nickoli> that might help
[06:40] <mainer> dracosx: also check www.rootkit.nl     good security tool
[06:40] <Stas> crap
[06:40] <Stas> how do i go back a screen in dpkg-reconfigure?
[06:41] <nickoli> anyone here use amarok
[06:41] <adoyretsamon> amarok, it stinks
[06:41] <nickoli> adoyretsamon i was considering installing it to organize my list
[06:41] <laszlok> amarok is the best, i use it
[06:41] <DracosX> hehe, yeah, that one's been bookmarked for a while now
[06:42] <DracosX> thanks again though
[06:42] <helio1> If I simply change Driver to "nv" instead of nvidia will that disable the proprietary drivers?
[06:42] <nickoli> yes
[06:42] <helio1> (in xorg.conf)
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> i hear beep (bmp) is a good player
[06:42] <geneo91> to much clutter
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> helio1, the proprietary drivers will still be installed and have "hosed" your kernel modules
[06:42] <Stas> ok
[06:42] <wastrel> hello.  whereabouts would i go to find my grub config file for editation thereof?
[06:43] <geneo91> helio1:  yes
[06:43] <Stas> I still can't change my refresh rate
[06:43] <Stas> :((
[06:43] <Stas> above 60
[06:43] <nickoli> Stas you xorg that
[06:43] <DracosX> wastrel: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:43] <helio1> so adoyretsamon what do you recommend?
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> Stas, did you log out and back in>?
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> helio1, for sound?
[06:43] <sig> Dr_Aevil: you around?
[06:43] <wastrel> merci
[06:44] <helio1> adoyretsamon: no, for removing the NVIDIA proprietary drivers, considering I think that's why my system keeps Crashing
[06:44] <DracosX> quite welcome ;)
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> helio1, did you update them
[06:44] <nickoli> helio1 you properly config xorg
[06:44] <Stas> yeah
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> to the latest
[06:44] <Stas> I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:44] <Stas> and I still can't choose any higher refresh rate
[06:44] <Stas> s
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> helio1, there is an uninstall script for that...
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> Stas, ctrl-alt-bkspc?
[06:45] <Stas> and then?
[06:45] <nickoli> Stas backup the xorg file, then go crazy in it
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> so he now logged out
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> hehe
[06:45] <nickoli> does the timezone really matter
[06:46] <nickoli> every install ask for it
[06:46] <Stas> that just restarted
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> i know
[06:46] <Stas> and closed all the apps
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> but no res change?
[06:46] <Stas> and I am going to go blind
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> man, what card?
[06:46] <Stas> the card is recognized fine
[06:46] <Stas> geforce fx5600
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> ah, ok
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> same as mine on my suse box
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> with xorg
[06:47] <Stas> but I want to use 1280x1024 @ 85Hz
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> i have nice res there
[06:47] <Stas> or anything lower, at 100Hz
[06:47] <Stas> but I CANNOT
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> let me pastebin my settings
[06:47] <Stas> it's not in the lists!!
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> you will have to hack the xorg config file
[06:47] <DracosX> Stas: gtf 1280 1024 85
[06:47] <Stas> can I just add my own res/refresh
[06:47] <Stas> where is it
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> just sec
[06:47] <DracosX> that will give you the modeline
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> i have to go back to this box
[06:47] <DracosX> check to see if you monitor horizontal sync was detected correctly
[06:48] <Stas> ??
[06:48] <DracosX> I've had to edit xorg.conf several times on fresh installs due to monitor HSync
[06:48] <Stas> root@ubuntu:/mnt # ls -l
[06:48] <Stas> total 12
[06:48] <Stas> dr-x------  1 root root 12288 2005-04-13 02:45 Windows
[06:48] <MMond> short nub question: If I've installed apache 2 by practically doing "apt-get install apache2" and such.. with php4 the same way (and it's working, actually..) can I recompile it existing as it now is? (Main reason I'm doing it is because I need to get mysql working too, and keep in mind.. that I'm a nub, been using Linux for two weeks now-- haven't yet compiled anything by myself)
[06:48] <DracosX> in a terminal: gtf 1280 1024 85
[06:49] <Stas> I can't access my windows partition unless I'm root
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> Stas, what size monitor?
[06:49] <Stas> :|
[06:49] <Stas> 19"
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> Stas, you need to change permissions on the mount point
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:49] <jldugger_> mmond: you might investigate "apt-source"
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> i'll bet it is the same as mine
[06:50] <jldugger_> MMond, err, apt-get source
[06:50] <MMond> got it, thanks jldugger_
[06:50] <Stas> ok
[06:50] <Stas> gtf 1280 1024 85
[06:50] <DracosX> mmond: mysql support will work without recompiling if you're interested
[06:51] <Stas> and ctrlaltbackspace
[06:51] <Stas> didn't do much
[06:51] <DracosX> no, gtf will output a modeline
[06:51] <Stas> and then what
[06:51] <DracosX> paste that into your xorg.conf in the monitor section
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> just look at my file... using 19" dell crt
[06:51] <MMond> DracosX: Mmm? o.0 I've tried download the adequate module files . . . couldn't do it. How else might it be possible?
[06:51] <MMond> +ing*
[06:51] <Stas> ok
[06:51] <Stas> I can barely read
[06:51] <Stas> after 30 minutes of this
[06:51] <Stas> my eyes are red
[06:52] <DracosX> check your php.ini file to ensure the extension is uncommented - also be sure to sudo apt-get install php4-mysql
[06:52] <Stas> and Ihave a headache
[06:52] <Stas> can you please just tell me where I can put this modeline?
[06:52] <DracosX> sorry, heh... that was for mmond
[06:52] <DracosX> yeah, one sec
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> Stas, look at my suse file... http://www.pastbin.com
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> click nomasteryoda
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> http://pastebin.com/270679
[06:53] <DracosX> Stas: http://www.linux-core.net/xorg.conf
[06:53] <adoyretsamon> thanks
[06:54] <Stas> ok
[06:54] <Stas> so I saved it
[06:54] <Stas> now how do I apply? ;p
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> that is the fun part
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> you need to compare what is in ubuntu to the one i pasted
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> i hate this part of Linux, but at least it can be configured without getting some lame driver from a vendor
[06:56] <DracosX> MMond: sudo nano -w /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini - look for the extensions section and ensure you have 'extension=mysql.so' uncommented
[06:57] <Stas> ok guys
[06:57] <lan> Hi ppl
[06:57] <Stas> my eyes are ACTUALLY watering now
[06:57] <nickoli> Stas lol
[06:57] <Stas> the gtf modeline didn't do anythiny
[06:58] <Stas> when added to my xorg.conf
[06:58] <lan> Would anyone help me with a wireless network problem in ubuntu please?
[06:58] <DracosX> hmm... did you add the mode in the Screen section?
[06:58] <Stas> I am  snapping the ubuntu disc into bits I think
[06:58] <Stas> it's pretty much completely useless
[06:58] <Stas> it seems
[06:58] <Stas> because I can't stay at my computer
[06:58] <Stas> for longer than 10 minutes
[06:58] <Stas> no, I put it in Monitor...
[06:59] <DracosX> yeah... I'm not that good at explaining, but I'll do my best here:
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> Stas, let's give it a chance
[06:59] <Stas> Section "Monitor"
[06:59] <Stas> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[06:59] <Stas> 	Option		"DPMS"
[06:59] <Stas> 	HorizSync	30-65
[06:59] <Stas> 	VertRefresh	50-75
[06:59] <Stas> 	# 1280x1024 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 91.38 kHz; pclk: 159.36 MHz
[06:59] <Stas> 	Modeline "1280x1024_85.00"  159.36  1280 1376 1512 1744  1024 1025 1028 1075 -HSync +Vsync
[06:59] <Stas> EndSection
[06:59] <Stas> that's from my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:59] <jldugger_> heh
[07:00] <DracosX> yes, that's rught so far - you said that's a 19" monitor, correct?
[07:00] <Stas> yeah
[07:00] <Stas> I use 1280x1024@85 in windows
[07:00] <Stas> I'll settle for lower res
[07:00] <Stas> but high refresh
[07:00] <DracosX> the hsync rangs should be at least 91.38 kHz - you have a max hsync set to 65 kHz
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> nah, you can get higher
[07:01] <Stas> here's from screen
[07:01] <Stas> Section "Screen"
[07:01] <Stas> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[07:01] <Stas> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600] "
[07:01] <Stas> 	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
[07:01] <Stas> 	DefaultDepth	24
[07:01] <DracosX> change the HorizSync 30-65 line to 30-100
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> yikes
[07:01] <Stas> .
[07:01] <Stas> .
[07:01] <Stas> .
[07:01] <Stas> 	SubSection "Display"
[07:01] <Stas> 		Depth		24
[07:01] <Stas> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[07:01] <DracosX> and the VertRefresh to 50-90
[07:01] <Stas> 	EndSubSection
[07:01] <Stas> EndSection
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> Stas, pastebin.com is free and the best place for such
[07:02] <DracosX> after you've changed the HorizSync and VertRefresh
[07:02] <Stas> and then ctrl-alt-backspc?
[07:02] <DracosX> change your Modes to
[07:02] <neonlightning> how do i get jre installed so i can run azureus because i don't see jre anywhere in synaptic
[07:02] <DracosX> "1280x1024@85.00" "1280x1024" "1024x768" etc
[07:02] <DracosX> but the HorizSync and VertRefresh changes are 100% necessary
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> neonlightning: you using hoary?
[07:03] <neonlightning> warty
[07:03] <Stas> OH OK
[07:03] <tritium> neonlightning, Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> ah, then you need to manually edit your sources.list
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> read the wiki tritium posted
[07:03] <DracosX> I should probably write a how-to on this, I've dealt with it 5 times since saturday
[07:04] <MMond> DracosX: I don't see anything like 'extension=mysql.se' per se, but things such as 'mysql.allow_persistent = On' and such on are there?
[07:04] <Stas> ok
[07:04] <Stas> now \
[07:04] <Stas> after I did that
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> DracosX: LOL
[07:04] <jldugger_>  what's the deal? generic monitor?
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> then you could just point people to the URL
[07:04] <MMond> Not really familiar with nano, heh, I think I might have messed things up with that, I'll go ahead and try with leafpad, sec
[07:04] <DracosX> jldugger_: exactly
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> MMond: try vi
[07:04] <jldugger_> ive got a cheapo brand one, and it works fine =/
[07:05] <DracosX> Stas: after you've added the modeline, adjusted the HorizSync and VertRefresh, AND added the mode to your screen section
[07:05] <DracosX> then you should be able to ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:05] <Stas> phew
[07:05] <Stas> that KINDA worked
[07:05] <DracosX> man, I typed slow
[07:06] <Stas> the "1280x1024@85.0" is not a valid mode specification though
[07:06] <DracosX> sorry, had a comment for you while you were out
[07:06] <Stas> without that, it worked fine though
[07:06] <Stas> oh
[07:06] <DracosX> it should match your modeline
[07:06] <DracosX> "1280x1024@85.00"
[07:06] <Stas> well, I just left it at 1280x1024
[07:06] <DracosX> er
[07:06] <Stas> and then used the res picker
[07:06] <DracosX> my bad
[07:06] <DracosX> yeah
[07:06] <Stas> to choose the 85hz
[07:06] <Stas> and it worked
[07:06] <jldugger_> stas: there should be a res select
[07:06] <DracosX> sweet
[07:07] <Stas> and I don't want to touch it anymore ;p
[07:07] <MMond> nomasteryoda: not elite enough to use vi yet . . . gonna go with GUI for the time being (linux nub.. first time using it :x)
[07:07] <DracosX> the problem has to do with monitor detection
[07:07] <jldugger_> stas, have you installed nvidia drivers yet?
[07:07] <Stas> no?
[07:07] <DracosX> I haven't been able to sort it out yet, but at least I know how to work around it
[07:07] <Stas> I don't think I have
[07:07] <jldugger_> then ya aint done
[07:07] <jldugger_> ;)
[07:07] <Stas> this is actually a livecd
[07:07] <Stas> ;p
[07:07] <jldugger_> man.
[07:07] <DracosX> ouch
[07:07] <Stas> I TRIED installing the drivers actually
[07:07] <sig> savetoby.com
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> MMond, congrats man
[07:07] <jldugger_> you better remember what the man told you
[07:07] <Stas> I got pretty far
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[07:08] <Stas> I quit X, installed gcc
[07:08] <jldugger_> heh
[07:08] <jldugger_> why
[07:08] <Stas> but it couldn't find some tree
[07:08] <MMond> nomasteryoda: Yeah, you lost me, congrats -- for being a nub?
[07:08] <jldugger_> it needs the kernel
[07:08] <Stas> to install from
[07:08] <Stas> yeah
[07:08] <Stas> kernel sources
[07:08] <Stas> is what it wanted
[07:08] <Stas> and I don't think I have those
[07:08] <jldugger_> you should be fine with kernel-headers
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> MMond: for using Linux
[07:08] <jldugger_> but
[07:08] <DracosX> Stas: I'll work on a how-to over the next few days
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> or n00b
[07:08] <Stas> heh thanks :)
[07:08] <DracosX> as soon as it's done, I'll post it on the forums
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> on Linux
[07:09] <Stas> it's pretty straightforward actually
[07:09] <Stas> the gtf thing is nice
[07:09] <MMond> nomasteryoda: Oh . . . yeah . . . yeah, put it on a 266 mhz laptop . . . my big guns do deserve words of praise indeed
[07:09] <DracosX> yeah
[07:09] <DracosX> it is, actually
[07:09] <Stas> I just needed to know where to put the line I guess
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> wow
[07:09] <Stas> aotehu
[07:09] <MMond> 7 year old laptop
[07:09] <Stas> how do I mount my ntfs partition
[07:09] <MMond> If not older o.0
[07:09] <Stas> so I can read it non-root+
[07:09] <Stas> ?
[07:10] <jldugger_> stas, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:10] <DracosX> sudo mount /dev/NTFS /mnt/point -o users is one way
[07:10] <b2s> has anyone used captive-ntfs working under ubuntu?
[07:10] <DracosX> unless it's too late at night and my brain has gone to sleep already
[07:11] <MMond> Using it merely because I wanted to get to know php a little better . . . it's been pleasent . . . just got like 4 problems, and I'd then actually be ready to make the switch for it on my main desktop (4 problems, as of this are 1) floppy drive not working 2) battery problems.. as soon as I unhook the power cord, it goes off 3) sound card not detected 4) damn, I forgot number 4 5) yeah.. my 5th problem is that I forgot what my 4th problem w
[07:11] <MMond> as)
[07:12] <lan> my wireless problem: I can't  ping my router but I can see it from iwlist wlan0 scan. My route command takes 10 seconds to show the default gateway path. Any ideas you experts?
[07:12] <DracosX> Stas: Actually, after thinking a bit about it, I'll post a few howtos at www.linux-core.net (haven't built the site yet :P) - check it after a few days
[07:12] <Stas> ok got it thanks :)
[07:12] <Stas> good plan Dracos ;p
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> definitely
[07:13] <MMond> Definitely? Was that to me? Be more precise dammit!
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> about DracosX's comment
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> posting this info in a howto would be nice
[07:14] <Stas> hmm
[07:14] <Stas> mp3s don't play
[07:14] <Stas> ;p
[07:14] <Gunblade> Hey all I am having some trouble with connecting to the internet with Ubuntu with a wireless card
[07:15] <jldugger_> I've got a wierd problem with rebooting. with hoary, when I reboot, it locks on "detecting DMI channels" or something like that. doens't do it on a hard poweroff, though
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> let me guess, it is a broadcom chipset
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> that was for Gunblade
[07:15] <MMond> DracosX: I tried finding, literally "extension=mysql.so" .. only place found was in these: ; Example lines: // ; extension=mysql.so // ; extension=gd.so // - should I remove the ";" here? (Hesitated doing so before.. cuz it said "Example.." but I'm not familiar with linux, so I'm probably very likely wrong)
[07:15] <b2s> Stas: needs some extra package for mp3s.  its in one of the faqs
[07:15] <Gunblade> I don't know, it's a "CiscO Systems" whirelss card that came with teh laptop...
[07:16] <DracosX> that would be correct - either uncomment that line or add a line below that
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> er, cisco might be fine
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> sig: that dude made hel lottsa money, huh ? :(
[07:16] <DracosX> I'd suggest adding a new line
[07:16] <sig> lol
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> Gunblade: in terminal, type sudo -s
[07:16] <MMond> DracosX: Got it, I'll get right on it. thanks again
[07:16] <Gunblade> The OS detects and shows the signal connection but thats it...
[07:16] <DracosX> no problem
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> Gunblade: then lspci
[07:16] <DracosX> something else to go into the how-to collection, hehe
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> find out just what the model is
[07:17] <Gunblade> then what
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> you could grep it too, but the list should be pretty small
[07:17] <navreet> Ubuntu rules!
[07:17] <Gunblade> grep?
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> let us know what you have
[07:17] <MMond> DracosX: Anything else I would need to alter in php.ini? Or should this do it and get me rolling and coding php with mysql?
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> Gunblade: yea
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> sudo lspci | grep cisco
[07:17] <navreet> MMond, maximum file upload size
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> or something like that
[07:17] <tritium> Stas, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:17] <DracosX> that should do it - be sure to check the output of phpinfo(); after reloading the apache config
[07:17] <DracosX> to be sure the module is loaded
[07:18] <MMond> navreet: Hmm? o.0
[07:18] <Stas> thanks!
[07:18] <Gunblade> Ok first I should have told you I am very very very new to linux and Ubuntu is my favorite out of many I have tried these past months and I am reading a lot about it...but other wise no idea how anything works lol
[07:18] <MMond> It does say now "'--with-mysql=shared,/usr" in merely 'configure command' o.0
[07:18] <DracosX> grep, egrep, fgrep, rgrep - print lines matching a pattern
[07:19] <navreet> MMond, I don't know what you plan on doing with PHP and MySql, but if you ever want to allow uploading of files, I just want to remind you that there's a default limit [of a few megs] , sometimes people want to up that to somethingg else
[07:19] <DracosX> good point
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> Gunblade: ok
[07:19] <MMond> navreet: Not exactly sure where you're coming from at this . . . I will be working locally . . . (whole reason is just playing with mysql/php)
[07:20] <DracosX> in that case, you'll probably be fine with the defaults
[07:20] <holycow> Gunblade, it will take a while to learn
[07:20] <DracosX> in either case, I'll post a how-to on apache2/php configuration as well
[07:20] <DracosX> apache2/php/mysql that is
[07:21] <MMond> navreet: Nevertheless, thank you for pointing out, because one of the things that I'll be playing around with will involve creating uploading scripts - thanks :D
[07:21] <jldugger_> nomasteryoda, do you have to be root to do an lspci?
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> sudo lspci
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:21] <jldugger_> nomasteryoda, i dont think so
[07:21] <jldugger_> its working for me
[07:21] <DracosX> jldugger_: not on my machine
[07:21] <MMond> DracosX: Where exactly do you post these 'how-to's? I'd be interested in reading them :D
[07:21] <adoyretsamon> ok
[07:21] <adoyretsamon> maybe not
[07:21] <jldugger_> hmm.
[07:22] <adoyretsamon> yea, loandbehold it works as user
[07:22] <adoyretsamon> cool
[07:22] <vasi> hey, i found a bug in a multiverse package, and i figured out what's causing it....what do i do next? :-)
[07:22] <adoyretsamon> not on suse tho
[07:22] <DracosX> well, hehe - I haven't actually started yet, but I registered linux-core.net a few months ago for personal use, and this week, I'll be working on getting it up and running
[07:22] <DracosX> there should be something posted at ubuntuforums.org as soon as it's ready
[07:22] <DracosX> since the majority of content will be centered around my distro of choice
[07:23] <Stas> ok mp3s "play<
[07:23] <Stas> "
[07:23] <Stas> but I don't hear anything
[07:23] <Stas> (I use s/pdif)
[07:23] <DracosX> right now it's just a wordpress blog that I haven't done anything with
[07:23] <kishu> does anyone here have grub boot ubuntu and windows xp?
[07:24] <tritium> kishu, yes
[07:24] <winding_> I had
[07:24] <MMond> DracosX: I'm comparing the phpinfo files from the work that I'm working here to the a host that I own . . . the host that I bought, in which everything, including mysql, works perfectly.. has this in it, whereas mine doesn't ;\ mysql // MySQL Support	enabled // Active Persistent Links 	2 // Active Links 	2
[07:24] <winding_> i had
[07:24] <MMond> But now, as opposed to before, merely in the "configure command" at the very top of the phpinfo file, it has '--with-mysql=shared,/usr' on it
[07:24] <kishu> tritium, how did you do it? windows xp overwrites grub's mbr right? how do you avoid that
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> install xp first
[07:25] <tritium> kishu, I had WinXP installed first
[07:25] <winding_> kisshu , you coule install the grub for dos
[07:25] <winding_> or you can install grub again
[07:25] <DracosX> hmm
[07:26] <root> could anybody help me figure out why my grub is not installing
[07:26] <jldugger_> kishu, you can install xp first, or boot the ubuntu cd in rescue mode and reinstall grub
[07:26] <jldugger_> the 2nd method is a bit tricky for those not qualified to be systems administrators in a pinch
[07:28] <dr_willis> i justuse my pc's bios/boot menu feature :P it will ask what drive to boot off of. :P
[07:28] <eruin> anyone know of a nice gtk2 rss reader?
[07:28] <jldugger_> Dr_willis: wont help if you've got the, both on the same drive
[07:29] <dr_willis> jldugger_,  yep - that would suck. I found out this New MB can even boot off my USB drive.. and ubuntu saw it - and could even install to it. (havent tried that yet however)
[07:29] <wrlima> help, is msg: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?), play in xmms
[07:30] <wrlima> help, is msg: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?), play in xmms
[07:31] <kishu> does that mean that I have to have Win XP on the first partition??
[07:31] <cert> hello
[07:31] <cert> anyone knows how to activate ubuntu calendar
[07:31] <cert> i have installed
[07:31] <cert> but i don't see any change
[07:31] <cert> i have search on the desktop, login
[07:31] <eruin> select your background image
[07:31] <cert> still i don't see any new paper
[07:31] <cert> new wallpaper
[07:32] <ctd> cert: change the background image to 'ubuntu calendar'
[07:32] <kishu> jldugger_. do I have to have win xp on the first partition??
[07:32] <eruin> have you rightclicked your desktop and chosen change background?
[07:32] <cert> background image
[07:32] <cert> where
[07:32] <jldugger_> kishu, I don't think so, but it usually helps
[07:32] <holycow> if anyone is having sound problems in hoary with xmms or flash the solution is here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:32] <cert> i do not see any option
[07:32] <ctd> cert: right click the desktop and select 'change desktop background'
[07:33] <cert> yes
[07:33] <cert> all i see are
[07:33] <cert> No wall apper, ubuntu sparkle, ubuntu sparkle widescreen
[07:33] <navreet> is there an easy way to execute 32bit of firefox [so that I can use java and stuff]  on amd64 version of ubuntu?
[07:33] <cert> only these there
[07:33] <cert> whereas i have installed all the ubuntu calendar
[07:33] <blizah> how would i queue up files in firefox?
[07:34] <blizah> from a web page...
[07:34] <holycow> easy
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> blizah, extension called flashgot
[07:34] <holycow> gimme a sec lemme find the apps you need
[07:34] <holycow> oh right what noma said
[07:34] <blizah> k
[07:34] <holycow> and you need a download utility in linux
[07:34] <holycow> xdownload or something like that
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> why is the limit for primary partiton on a drive only 4 ?
[07:35] <cert> ctd : did i do something wrong
[07:35] <blizah> is that in the universe?
[07:35] <winding> anbody konws haw to install xfce and haw to confige it
[07:35] <cert> ctd : i have used synaptic
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> winding, apt-get install xfce
[07:35] <ctd> da_bon_bon: cross-compatibility with old stuff
[07:35] <ctd> cert: shouldn't have
[07:35] <cert> ctd: why didn't i see anything
[07:35] <blizah> nomasteryoda is taht in synaptic?
[07:35] <cert> ??
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> it should be
[07:36] <wrlima> help, is msg: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?), play in xmms
[07:36] <blizah> nomasteryoda hrm cant find it
[07:36] <cert> anyone could help me?
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> let me look again
[07:36] <winding> nomasteryoda, hao to configure  and set it be deauful x
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> in hoary, you need to add universe
[07:37] <ctd> cert: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8721
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> ctd: like ? i mean, old stuff like ?
[07:38] <cert> not
[07:38] <cert> sorry
[07:38] <ctd> da_bon_bon: dos and others
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> ctd: but why is dos such limited?
[07:39] <wrlima> please
[07:40] <ctd> da_bon_bon: "62kB of ram is all we'll ever need"
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> ctd: bloody bas***d bill gates and microsoft
[07:41] <Fazer> Hello, I bought a PCMCIA Ethernet card, the CD that it came with apparently has Linux drivers in it...will it autodetect it with Ubuntu by any chance?
[07:41] <ctd> da_bon_bon: remember, too, harddisks were rather small back then
[07:41] <dr_willis> Fazer,  most likely it should not need the drivers off that cd. :P
[07:41] <ctd> da_bon_bon: 100mb, anyone?
[07:41] <Fazer> dr_willis: Haha, awesome ;)
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> ctd: 100mb < required for gnome/kde :D
[07:41] <dr_willis> Fazer,  its amazeing really  that they can fit sooo many drivers onto a normal install.
[07:41] <aragorn2909> #ubuntu
[07:41] <MM2> what apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade really upgrades?
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> ctd:  actually i have partitioned my disk very badly. is it possible to now enclose some of primary partition in extended without data loss ?
[07:42] <Fazer> dr_willis: Yeah, that would be awesome.  Is PCMCIA also Plug and Play in Linux?
[07:42] <dr_willis> Fazer,  ive had very good luck with ubuntu and all my hardware..
[07:42] <dr_willis> Fazer,  linux has made great headway in this area over the last 2 years.
[07:42] <Fazer> dr_willis: Ah, how about old Thinkpads?
[07:42] <ctd> da_bon_bon: depends, you basically need to pull all the data off to another media, repartition those bits and restore it.
[07:43] <ctd> MM2: everything.
[07:43] <ctd> MM2: everything theres upgrades for
[07:43] <dr_willis> Fazer,  proberly should be fine. :P  but hoiw old is OLD.. :P
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> ctd: without writing to cds i have no other option ?
[07:43] <MM2> firefox stayed in version 0.9.3, desktop is same old...
[07:43] <Fazer> dr_willis: Its a Thinkpad 600E with 366 Mhz and 160 MB ram.
[07:43] <pvh> Where would I set my MP3 player to play out of the back speakers as well as the front ones?
[07:43] <ctd> da_bon_bon: i did something similar, and copied over a network.
[07:43] <pvh> Would it be in Alsa, Gstreamer or the player itself?
[07:44] <dr_willis> Fazer,  i had ubuntu and a pcmcia nic workin on my Pent100 Laptop. :P now thats an old one..
[07:44] <dr_willis> :P
[07:44] <dr_willis> Fazer,  took it like 2 hrs to install. Lol.. 1x cd drive I think.
[07:44] <Fazer> dr_willis: Woah, awesome!
[07:44] <Fazer> dr_willis: haha, figures
[07:45] <Fazer> dr_willis: So, do you think Ubuntu will run just as fine as Windows XP does? (speed-wise)
[07:45] <dr_willis> Fazer,  i find linux generally runs faster then xp.
[07:45] <ctd> ubuntu outperforms xp easily
[07:45] <dr_willis> expecially on thing as slow as a 366
[07:45] <dr_willis> even on high end stuff. Linux normally works better i find.
[07:46] <Fazer> dr_willis: How much tweaking you had to do?
[07:46] <cert> ctd : thanks
[07:47] <navreet> how can I get my "default" version of my Xorg config file?? [I want ubuntu to pretend that I never messed with it, etc.] 
[07:47] <dr_willis> Fazer,  with ubuntu - very little actually.
[07:47] <cert> Fazer : i am a new user to linux and ubuntu.. i think ubuntu looks and works so much better than windowns
[07:48] <rohandhruva_> sorry got disconnected, can u repost, if anything was said for me ?
[07:48] <cert> only pity is there is not much bluetooth and infra-red supports
[07:49] <cert> most of these is not supported in ubuntu official network
[07:49] <Fazer_> bah, sorry about htat.
[07:50] <Fazer_> cert: Ah, awesome.
[07:54] <Huey> is there a way to install ubuntu on a computer without a cd-rom drive?
[07:54] <Huey> well the computer i'm trying to install actually has 3 cd-rom drives, but the ubuntu install hangs when "auto-detecting hardware", and we think it's trying to find the cd-rom drive
[07:54] <winding> Huey , you can install on your hda
[07:55] <arkais> google knows everithing Huey
[07:56] <Fazer> Hrmm...wow, now I have a plethora of spyware on my XP laptop
[07:56] <Huey> winding: what do you mean?
[07:56] <Fazer> heh, no service or updates installed whatsoever
[07:56] <Huey> winding: the install CD is what's hanging trying to detect the cd-rom drive
[07:57] <kkathman> can anyone tell me how to restart artsd ?
[07:58] <arkais> Huey what kind of pc is?
[07:58] <arkais> Huey is a desktop or notebook or laptop?
[07:58] <holycow> hey check out google.com, weird new gui that totally sux
[07:59] <arkais> holycow jajjajajaaja
[07:59] <Fazer> hmm/
[07:59] <Huey> arkais, it's a desktop
[07:59] <holycow> arkais, its back to normal now
[07:59] <holycow> weeeird
[08:00] <Huey> arkais, some of the cd-rom drives are on a promise raid controller, which i don't think the stock kernel has drivers for
[08:01] <blizah> you guys know if flashget can be gotten through synaptic?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> blizah, none of the ff extensions can be
[08:02] <Burgundavia> blizah, but they can be installed just the same
[08:02] <holycow> blizah, no, its a firefox only thing
[08:02] <holycow> Burgundavia, bizatch you beat me :)
[08:02] <blizah> hehe
[08:02] <Burgundavia> blizah, you can get Aria though synatpic though
[08:02] <Burgundavia> blizah, which flashget need to tie into
[08:02] <blizah> aria let me queue up stuff on a webpage?
[08:02] <blizah> ah k
[08:02] <blizah> flashget = firefox plugin?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> blizah, extension is the term actually
[08:03] <blizah> ah ok
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> blizah: flashget = download accelerator for windows
[08:03] <holycow> blizah, open up your extension manager in ff, and click get more extensions
[08:03] <holycow> it will bring you to where you need to dl them
[08:03] <blizah> holycow, + install aria (because im guessing its a dependency?)
[08:04] <blizah> ?
[08:04] <holycow> say what? whats aria? extensions only install them selves
[08:04] <Burgundavia> blizah, aria is not a dependency
[08:04] <Burgundavia> blizah, but flashget needs an external program to actually send the links to
[08:04] <blizah> burg, so is it needed?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> blizah, aria is that external program
[08:05] <Burgundavia> blizah, yes
[08:05] <blizah> k
[08:06] <holycow> okay this is stupid i've spent all day mucking in ubuntu
[08:06] <holycow> heh now i gotta go home and find  my fav themes *sigh* damned computers, too much fun :)
[08:06] <holycow> later all
[08:06] <holycow> oh and ubuntu rox
[08:06] <holycow> heh
[08:09] <Xgates> say if install the Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 with Ubuntu patches, would I also need the Linux kernel tree for building prepackaged Ubuntu kernel images?
[08:09] <Xgates> I can't say I understand this tree, or else I'm no thinking clear here on what it is
[08:09] <Xgates> hmm
[08:09] <Xgates> I'm no/not ....
[08:09] <agnes> hey all!
[08:10] <agnes> is it possible to easily create a bootsplash in ubuntu?
[08:10] <Xgates> hello agnes
[08:10] <blizah> k tnx holy and burgundavia
[08:10] <membreya> agnes: for grub or for the boot of linux itself?
[08:10] <Xgates> sheesh this place is quiet
[08:10] <Burgundavia> blizah, hey np
[08:10] <agnes> membreya: for the linux boot itself..
[08:10] <agnes> membreya: though, to be honest, I hadn't made the distinction..
[08:11] <Xgates> bootsplash scare me, messing with the MBR, is just asking for problems
[08:11] <agnes> membreya: I can get grub to give me a splash.. but I thought that meant the linux boot would do it too..
[08:11] <membreya> AFAIK it's through recompiling the kernel only (but that was before the release of 5.04) I'm not sure if it easier now
[08:12] <Xgates> so can someone please explain to me this kernel tree for building prepackaged Ubuntu kernel images?
[08:12] <xiaogil> why gaim always tries to open my mails with Nvu ? How to change that ?
[08:12] <agnes> mem: Everyone says hoary supports it..
[08:13] <agnes> membreya: but how was it to be done before?
[08:13] <membreya> agnes: recompiling the kernel
[08:13] <membreya> but I haven't read up on it lately
[08:13] <blizah> burgundavia where in aria do i tell aria where to save things?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> blizah, hmm, you choose with flashget
[08:14] <blizah> ah ok
[08:14] <agnes> membreya: doesn't seem to me that I want to do that.. any idea where I can find some information about the current implementation
[08:14] <agnes> ?
[08:14] <blizah> temporary directory = destination for files?
[08:15] <blizah> ah does flashgot use firefox's place?
[08:15] <blizah> place for files...
[08:15] <mlh> daniels, have you seen the "the 100000MHz exceeds dcc(ddc?)" message in the xorg log?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> blizah, it should ask you when you grab stuff
[08:16] <blizah> k
[08:17] <kishu> if I add "(hd4)	/dev/hdb6" to /boot/grub/device.map does that mean that grub will see hdb6 as hd4?
[08:18] <navreet> what is the best way to get acroread7 in hoary?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> navreet, it is in the debian-marilliat repo
[08:19] <Burgundavia> navreet, I would recommend evince if you are in gnome
[08:19] <Burgundavia> navreet, acroread7 contains spyware
[08:19] <navreet> I am in gnome... but acroread7 is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than everything else I've tried out together combined
[08:20] <Burgundavia> navreet, if you can live with the spyware. I personally am deeply offended by it
[08:20] <navreet> what kind of spyware is it?
[08:20] <cowbud> evince is getting there..
[08:20] <Burgundavia> tells a central server when you read a pdf file
[08:20] <Burgundavia> http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> thanks Burgundavia
[08:21] <cowbud> hah not to mention acroread 7 with the mozilla plugin together is like 40 megs or something obscene..
[08:21] <Burgundavia> cowbud, evince is almost there, but not quite, but I will give up functionality for lack of spyware
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> i was wanting to tell people about that
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> hell, the install is 96mb
[08:21] <cowbud> Burgundavia: I find using gpdf and evince together works out for the time being :)
[08:21] <cowbud> nomasteryoda: ahh I just used the debs :) didn't bother with their install..
[08:21] <kishu> if I add "(hd4)	/dev/hdb6" to /boot/grub/device.map does that mean that grub will see hdb6 as hd4?
[08:21] <Burgundavia> cowbud, I have heard rumours that evince will be default for 2.12
[08:22] <Burgundavia> cowbud, and thus for breezy
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> cowbud: lol
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> yea
[08:22] <cowbud> Burgundavia: yah I wouldn't be surprised..
[08:22] <blizah> burgundavia, i right mouse click file in a folder and click flashgot all...should start downloading everything in aria right?...ps.  the web page is password protected if that matters
[08:22] <navreet> Burgundavia, I'll try evince... but if it sucks, I'll probably stick to acroread7, it doesn't really effect me much
[08:23] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:23] <navreet> since the only thing I read are papers and stuff
[08:23] <membreya> agnes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25144
[08:23] <membreya> it's called usplash
[08:23] <membreya> one of the developers feel free to correct me
[08:23] <daniels> mlh: how do you get 100000MHz?
[08:23] <holycow> navreet, evince is wonnerfull
[08:24] <Sp4rKy> where can i download w3?
[08:24] <Burgundavia> navreet, evince is still very new and not the most pretty, but it does work
[08:24] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy, w3?
[08:24] <membreya> usplash is correct for a boot splash screen right daniels ?
[08:24] <holycow> evince has select and find tools, its super fast and it uses gnome panels unlike acroread any version
[08:24] <Sp4rKy> Burgundavia, warcraft
[08:25] <navreet> holycow, we'll see... I find that a lot of linux people are usually baised towards free software [even if it's really shitty] 
[08:25] <holycow> membreya, i'm not a dev, but as i understand it, thats the latest thats happening with the bootsplash issue
[08:25] <mlh> daniels, good question.  simple dumb answer:  install ubuntu :-)
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy, that would be a proprietary app
[08:25] <holycow> usplash is all in userspace, no kernel patches, supposed to have dbus support, should be l33t
[08:25] <daniels> mlh: what sort of hardware?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy, so you would need to buy it
[08:25] <Sp4rKy> I think so :(
[08:25] <membreya> holycow: check out the link I gave then :P
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy, try out glest
[08:26] <mlh> i have a intel onboard card, lg flatron 795F monitor
[08:26] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy, is GPL
[08:26] <holycow> navreet, well try it and see for your self
[08:26] <Xgates> anyone using gcc3.4?
[08:26] <Xgates> hey holycow
[08:26] <Xgates> MoO
[08:26] <membreya> Xgates: just go with gcc4 :P
[08:26] <Xgates> LOL
[08:26] <holycow> navreet, it could be said that any set of 'personal preferences' are little more than bias :)
[08:26] <Xgates> thats SCARY
[08:26] <Sp4rKy> Burgundavia , what's glest ?
[08:26] <holycow> Xgates, hey dude, hows it goin?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy, www.glest.org  'deb http://apt.linex.org/ cl juegalinex' to install
[08:26] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy, 3D RTS ala W3
[08:27] <mlh> daniels, no hits on google for the same 100000MHz.  but "mhz exceeds ddc" gets quite a few
[08:27] <navreet> holycow, Burgundavia: just did..., it's lacks some important features, like form filling [and some of forms I use have to be typed] 
[08:27] <Burgundavia> navreet, forms are a hardone
[08:27] <daniels> mlh: that sounds crazy
[08:27] <Xgates> holycow: well back in action on compiling, the last one I did I just had a name resolution issue that the keyboard didnt go NOW the keyboard doesnt sounf bad but this name rez thing threw me
[08:27] <holycow> forms don't belong in pdf
[08:27] <Sp4rKy> Burgundavia , ok, i try it so, thx ...
[08:27] <Xgates> anyhow getting ready to go at it
[08:27] <membreya> lol holycow :P
[08:27] <mlh> daniels, yes.  chesty (#slug) got it too
[08:27] <Xgates> DAMM I feel like a noob with this thing
[08:27] <Xgates> LOL
[08:27] <holycow> putting forms in pdf is the most retarded thing i have ever heard of
[08:28] <holycow> its like all of a sudden pdf is a goddamned application platform instead of presentation format
[08:28] <adoymn> Gunblade, hey man
[08:28] <adoymn> this is from this qemu'd ubuntu warty
[08:28] <mjr> holycow, come now, how about the javascript stuff that's in there nowadays?
[08:28] <mlh> daniels, it spits that line out for every resolution in xorg.conf; gives up and does 640x480
[08:29] <holycow> mjr, i won't rest until we have vb and .net delivered via pdf format
[08:29] <mlh> daniels, I'll file a bug on it if you like.  (when i get home)
[08:29] <adoymn> i love qemu
[08:29] <Xgates> thats the Slacker in me speaking
[08:29] <Xgates> WoOt
[08:30] <holycow> Xgates, you noob you, hehehe :)
[08:30] <Xgates> Oh boy and do I feel like one with this friggin kernel here
[08:30] <holycow> hey didja figure out what it was?
[08:30] <Xgates> man I could of compiled 50 of them at this rate
[08:32] <Xgates> crap I have gcc3.3 and the gcc-base3.3 and I'm getting this --> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found
[08:32] <Xgates> errrr
[08:32] <Xgates> whats going on now
[08:32] <Amaranth> Xgates: apt-get install build-essential
[08:33] <Xgates> hey Amaranth ok thanks
[08:33] <membreya> Xgates: what happens when you do a gcc -v ? :P
[08:33] <membreya> or which gcc
[08:33] <membreya> or whereis gcc
[08:34] <jordanau> i have a bunch of images in seperate folders and i want to view a slide show of all of them, how is this done?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> jordanau, gthump can view a images in a slideshow
[08:34] <Burgundavia> jordanau, make that gThumb
[08:34] <adoymn> feh can too
[08:34] <jordanau> right but i want to view all images in a parent folder and sub directories at once
[08:35] <Xgates> membreya: no I needed that build-essential
[08:35] <Xgates> should be ok now
[08:35] <daniels> mlh: sounds good, thanks
[08:35] <Arnia> jordanau: You might want to look at f-spot
[08:35] <daniels> mlh: remember to include Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf
[08:36] <mlh> daniels, ok. thanks for listening
[08:36] <daniels> no worries :)
[08:36] <Xgates> you know what I found odd was that its not considerd good to make a FS a module when its on the / BUT I noticed in the K7 source was that ext2 & ext3 where both compiled as a <m> mod
[08:36] <membreya> daniels: you didn't comment about usplash :P
[08:36] <Xgates> hmm now that makes me wonder what are these DEV doing
[08:36] <Xgates> :/
[08:36] <daniels> membreya: oh, about usplash?  hm
[08:37] <daniels> Xgates: it's in an initrd
[08:37] <membreya> daniels: just wondering if its the "official" method of creating a splashscreen of ubuntu
[08:38] <ompaul> hile, very quick question - I am looking for a tux graphic black and white - I can't remember where to find it I want it for the linux.ie stand in the www.ictexpo.ie here in dublin, ireland today and guess what - its 7:38 am and I am late (ooch)
[08:38] <ompaul> s/hile/ hi /g
[08:38] <ompaul> this is the help a lug question of the day
[08:39] <Arnia> Woah... 7.38... been up all night again :/
[08:39] <Xgates> daniels: what?
[08:39] <adoymn> lol
[08:39] <adoymn> i told my wife i was going to bed hours ago
[08:39] <ompaul> no takers ?
[08:39] <adoymn> oh well
[08:40] <daniels> membreya: oh, the usplash code that's been posted so far?  not yet, no, but nothing's official yet.  i think a decision will get made in sydney.
[08:40] <daniels> Xgates: initial ramdisk.
[08:40] <Xgates> daniels: I know what it is, hehe what are you saying about it?
[08:40] <membreya> aah sweet
[08:41] <daniels> Xgates: that ext2 and ext3 modules will be put in the initrd
[08:42] <membreya> i miss daily updates with hoary :'(
[08:42] <Xgates> hmm ic
[08:42] <Xgates> daily updates, LOL sheesh sounds like a software,patch, bug junkie to me
[08:43] <Xgates> boy if ONLY ppl like this knew what it's like to compile everyday, as I did before for a Slackware support site
[08:43] <topyli> membreya: you want debian unstable. new system, new bugs every day :)
[08:43] <membreya> Xgates: .....but it makes me feel important when there's like 100+ megabytes of updates :D
[08:43] <Xgates> then I know IF membreya had to compile all that software BOY he certainly wouldn't miss it
[08:43] <Xgates> LOL
[08:43] <membreya> topyli: will wait till breezy starts trickling :)
[08:44] <membreya> Xgates: my system is happy to compile all day...just don't expect me to touch any source :P I hate it enough when I have to edit a ./configure :P
[08:44] <topyli> membreya: yeah, especially at the beginning it will probably be genuinely broken, you'll feel right at home :)
[08:45] <membreya> nah... I've got kubuntu just how I like it :)
[08:45] <Burgundavia> membreya, topyli, breezy just opened
[08:45] <membreya> ooooooo :D
[08:45] <Xgates> membreya: yeah thats what I mean and all those nice happy daily updates just think about all that compile madness
[08:45] <Xgates> hehe
[08:45] <membreya> dual boot hoary / breezy ;)
[08:46] <Xgates> where Power management options built in Ubuntu that it's expeting them in the kernel?
[08:46] <Arnia> I think I'm going to wait a few months before tracking Breezy ;) Well... until after exams at least
[08:46] <membreya> ..britney spears is pregnant...god help the world :|
[08:47] <Arnia> I may risk it whilst at BT
[08:47] <Xgates> I'm trying to figure out if Ubuntu has some quirks to it as I call it meaning it wants, is looking for things in the kernel that the Ubuntu team built into Ubuntu as in the services, etc.. but not really things that are needed, just extra added goodies to fill the need of more compatibility is all
[08:48] <Xgates> or I'm wondering if Ubuntu besides the patches can run a regular kernel based only on the boxes hardware, without additional things?
[08:51] <SeamusLP> Xgates the ubuntu kernel implements just about everything as a module I believe
[08:53] <IceDC571> does anyone here have an ipod working with ubuntu?
[08:53] <Xgates> SeamusLP: thats not my question  :-)
[08:53] <topyli> Burgundavia: i'll wait till it closes :)
[08:53] <SeamusLP> Xgates everything is compiled in for module support...
[08:53] <Burgundavia> topyli, I am going to track once the sync is finished
[08:54] <Burgundavia> topyli, it will probably be very rocky until then
[08:54] <Xgates> I'm saying does anyone know if Ubuntu DEV team built Ubuntu in a way that the default setup is going to look for things in the kernel that aren't really needed, like apm, acpi, etc...
[08:54] <topyli> Burgundavia: that is, i see no reason to track breezy until gnome releases again
[08:54] <Xgates> I know Hotplug is one of them, and this is not really needed but the default setup is to LOOK for it
[08:54] <Xgates> this is what I'm saying :-)
[08:54] <topyli> Burgundavia: unless you really want to help. i prefer being a user :)
[08:54] <Xgates> and IF somethings aren't there then its not going to even bootup as well
[08:55] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  All that I'm aware of is that the kernel has module support for everything and hotplug will check for hardware changes and change modules accordingly.
[08:56] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  If you want you can look at the kernel source and do a make menuconfig
[08:56] <duken> what your opinion about ubuntu or debian sarge as server ??
[08:56] <Xgates> SeamusLP: yes I know all this :-)
[08:57] <topyli> duken: sarge is not a server system. your security updates are not guaranteed (still, i guess)
[08:57] <Sp4rKy> duken, i think lfs such as ipcop as much better
[08:57] <Sp4rKy> oups is much better, sorry
[08:58] <mjr> I doubt that ubuntu requires anything exotic of the kernel, but my general practice is to take the distro config as a base anyway, and change only what I need
[08:58] <mjr> (which, with ubuntu, has been nothing, but before that ;)
[09:03] <duken> hi, why my installation process ubuntu hang on Configure apt ( testing network repository) ?
[09:03] <membreya> duken: give it about 10 minutes, I have the same problem
[09:03] <membreya> or you can go to your second console and do a ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500
[09:04] <duken> ok has running again
[09:05] <duken> thanks your help
[09:05] <membreya> duken: did you do the mtu 1500 or did you just leave it ?
[09:07] <rm6990> Hey everyone. OK Here goes. I am having many problems with Hoary (enough that I am considering downgrading back to Warty). First off, everytime I reboot, I have to log in, Gnome freezes, Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace, log in, Gnome fails to load saying panels are already running, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, and then it works....also, a lot of the time HAL fails to work properly, giving me error messages when...
[09:07] <rm6990> ...Gnome loads. CD's, Jumpdrives and cameras are not loading properly when plugged in like they did with Warty. And programs simply don't launch
[09:07] <halgeir> Hi. I am having problem with sound under hoary. Cant get Gnopernicus to speak (I dont get sounds from Firefox-flash either). I get system sounds, and I get Rythbox to play mp3s.
[09:08] <rm6990> An example of a program that doesn't launch is RealPlayer
[09:08] <rm6990> Plus, sound support is kind of sketchy on my fully-linux-supported sound card
[09:08] <Xgates> whats the pack name for kpkg?
[09:08] <Xgates> cant remember
[09:08] <Xgates> apt-get install ?
[09:08] <membreya> kpkg?
[09:09] <duken> how to change grub to lilo ??
[09:09] <duken> i'm use hoary
[09:09] <rm6990> Does anyone have any ideas or has anyone experienced the problems i speak of?
[09:09] <Xgates> membreya: now dont ya think I tried --> apt-get install kpkg?
[09:09] <xamdm> Xgates, kernel-package
[09:09] <Xgates> hehe
[09:10] <Xgates> xamdm: AHH there we go  :-)
[09:10] <Xgates> xamdm: thanks
[09:10] <membreya> duken: sudo apt-get install lilo
[09:10] <topyli> halgeir: rm6990 you both seem to have problems with esd. kill it and check if that's the case
[09:10] <membreya> wtf is kpkg?
[09:10] <xamdm> Xgates, np, apt-cache search kpkg :-)
[09:10] <halgeir> just killall esd?
[09:10] <xamdm> membreya, building a kernel the debian way :-)
[09:10] <topyli> rm6990: you may have old, conflicting gnome config files at $home
[09:10] <Xgates> xamdm: :-)
[09:11] <Xgates> sheesh I'm not thinking
[09:11] <Xgates> LOL
[09:11] <rm6990> topyli : i installed hoary fresh
[09:11] <membreya> xamdm: :|
[09:11] <rm6990> topyli : killed it and realplayer loaded :P
[09:11] <topyli> rm6990: no /home saved?
[09:11] <rm6990> topyli : yes, but i cleared out all of my config files (i find it works better that way)
[09:11] <topyli> rm6990: yeah, realplay doesn't support esd
[09:12] <xamdm> membreya, kpkg is great :-), it can apply patches etc autmatically
[09:12] <halgeir> killed esd. No system sounds, and no more mp3-playing in rythbox
[09:12] <rm6990> topyli : what about my other problems (Having to log in 3 times, HAL crashing, etc.)
[09:12] <halgeir> did not solve my problem..
[09:12] <halgeir> do I have to start another sound deamon?
[09:12] <rm6990> topyli : none of the other sound daemons work properly
[09:13] <topyli> rm6990: no idea about the gnome trouble :(
[09:13] <topyli> halgeir: i don't know how gnopernicus is supposed to work
[09:14] <rm6990> halgeir : go into system, preferences, Multimedia Systems Selector, and switch to ALSA
[09:14] <rm6990> ill bb in a few minutes
[09:14] <rm6990> btw, before i leave, why did the ubuntu team include Enlightenment Sound Daemon over ALSA....it gives me nothing but problems
[09:14] <rm6990> ?
[09:15] <topyli> rm6990: well, sound daemons would be good if one of them actually worked without tweaking the hell out of them
[09:15] <halgeir> rm6990: OK. The test seemed OK. Do I have to start that deamon manually?
[09:16] <topyli> halgeir: no! be sure no daemon is running
[09:16] <halgeir> ok. I killed asd, and swithed to alsa as rm6990 told me
[09:16] <halgeir> right now I dont get any sound at all
[09:16] <halgeir> not those that worked earlier either
[09:17] <halgeir> do I have to restart for it to take effect?
 duken: sudo apt-get install lilo <-- just this ?
[09:17] <membreya> duken: yes
[09:17] <topyli> halgeir: most of your apps are using esd right now. try those that were broken and we'll see if they work
[09:17] <membreya> halgeir: yes indeedy or at least start it :P
[09:17] <topyli> halgeir: we're only debugging here. fixing will come later
[09:17] <halgeir> how do I start it?
[09:18] <topyli> halgeir: esd&, but don't do it yet
[09:18] <FreezerX> Ubuntu doesn't request for username and password when leaving the hibernate state. Is it possible to active this request?
[09:18] <halgeir> thats OK, but I changed to alsa. Do I have to start alsa as well...? Sorry if Im slow here, dont really understand this
[09:18] <duken> membreya: how to activate the lilo ?
[09:19] <topyli> halgeir: alsa and oss don't need a daemon, they talk to your sound device directly
[09:19] <membreya> halgeir: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa start
[09:19] <mjr> FreezerX, hmh; all I know that if you hibernate from the gnome logout prompt, it locks the screen
[09:19] <topyli> halgeir: or membreya might be right too :)
[09:19] <duken> i was reboot but the bootloader still grub
[09:19] <membreya> duken: do a sudo apt-get install lilo-doc
[09:19] <membreya> and do a man on lilo ... I don't use lilo sorry
[09:19] <FreezerX> mjr, there seems to be no lock
[09:21] <halgeir> OK. thanks. It started without any errors, but I get exactly the same result (Rhythmbox and system is working, but Gnopernicus and Firefox/Flash is not)
[09:21] <topyli> halgeir: do: ps aux|grep esd (to make sure it's not there)
[09:22] <halgeir> ok. It is not
[09:22] <topyli> hrm
[09:22] <jirwin> hello...i just formatted a new hard drive...how would I mount it now...if i wanted to mount it to /data?
[09:22] <topyli> halgeir: i wonder what gnopernicus uses. broken flash is not a big surprise
[09:23] <pharaonic_anubis> What is the command to check if DMA mode is enabled on all of my IDE channels?
[09:23] <halgeir> I have no idea. But I had no problem setting it up under warty (different machine though)
[09:23] <adoyretsamon> hdparm
[09:23] <adoyretsamon> hdparm -Tt /dev/hda
[09:23] <adoyretsamon> or something like it
[09:24] <adoyretsamon> google it
[09:24] <adoyretsamon> i have it enabled on my suse boxes by default
[09:24] <FlimFlamMan> so, ubuntu is a commercial distro.  how does it plan to make money?
[09:24] <topyli> halgeir: one thing we know for sure is you have to report a bug :)
[09:24] <adoyretsamon> FlimFlamMan, support
[09:25] <topyli> halgeir: better to fix hoary than downgrade to warty. one day/year you'll have to upgrade anyway
[09:25] <Nula> pharaonic_anubis, hdparm /dev/hd*
[09:25] <halgeir> topily: yes. Unfortunately this computer is for a blind user, and he is really dependent on gnopernicus.
[09:25] <halgeir> he just have no use for the computer without it..:-(
[09:26] <topyli> yeah
[09:26] <membreya> the command to check if dma is enabled, you need to do a hdparm -d /dev/hdx
[09:26] <membreya> halgeir: you may need to do an asoundrc
[09:26] <halgeir> asoundrc?
[09:27] <Nula> halgeir, it's a script for software mixing
[09:27] <Nula> halgeir, so you can play audio from multiple apps at the same time with alsa
[09:27] <halgeir> OK. Is it a program I need to download?
[09:27] <halgeir> ahh..
[09:27] <FlimFlamMan> in what ways does canonical intend to make money supporting ubuntu?
[09:28] <membreya> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?module=Generic
[09:28] <jirwin> hello again...what could I use to make a image of a cd...in ISO format?
[09:28] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: companies will pay good money for support. that's how red hat, hp and novell make money. not software
[09:29] <mak_> jirwin, i think it is covered in the ubuntu starter guide
[09:29] <FlimFlamMan> topyli, right, what i'm wondering about specifically is if the repositories will become restricted in any way in the future
[09:29] <jirwin> i didn't see it there...but I will double check
[09:29] <membreya> halgeir: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/.asoundrc that's my .asoundrc
[09:29] <Nula> jirwin, gnomebaker is a nice application
[09:29] <jel_> umm... can someone tell me if/how I can switch from debian sid to ubuntu?
[09:30] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: that would ruin canonical's business
[09:30] <Nula> jirwin, you can get packages from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker/view?searchterm=gnomebaker
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> topyli, so that's a "no" ?
[09:30] <jirwin> Nula, will that allow me to create an ISO for storage?
[09:30] <mjr> jel_, well, you can try upgrading by changing the sources.list to point to ubuntu, but that'd be unsupported and you might have some quirks in it as well as manual labour to do
[09:31] <mjr> jel_, the recommended way would be to install ubuntu over it
[09:31] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: yes. companies have hoped for good professional debian support for years. now they have ubuntu
[09:31] <Nula> jirwin, yes. it's a fully featured media recording program
[09:31] <pharaonic_anubis> Next Q. How would I go about changing the name of cdrom1 in /media/ to dvdrom1
[09:31] <pharaonic_anubis> ?
[09:31] <mak_> does anyone know why i cant seem to be able to ssh into my box? i can ssh out, but not in, it says 'connection refused'
[09:31] <jel_> mjr: is any of ubuntu based on sid?
[09:31] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: progeny and others have done it too, with varying success
[09:31] <Agrajag> mak_: install openssh_server
[09:31] <membreya> why pharaonic_anubis ?
[09:31] <Agrajag> er
[09:31] <Agrajag> openssh-server
[09:31] <Agrajag> or something
[09:31] <mjr> jel_, well, much of it actually is
[09:31] <jel_> mjr: and... do I know you from FSFE?
[09:31] <mak_> Agrajag, I'll try
[09:31] <Agrajag> yeah, the second one
[09:32] <Agrajag> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[09:32] <pharaonic_anubis> Well, originally in /media it was named as dvdrom1... I just forget how I did that.
[09:32] <pharaonic_anubis> haha.
[09:32] <Agrajag> then, if you're behind NAT, you'll need to forward port 22
[09:32] <FlimFlamMan> is userlinux considering ubuntu, given that sarge is continuing the history of obsolete releases?
[09:32] <mjr> jel_, not that I know of, unless you were the guy I sent a link to my patent bribe to page at fsfe ;)
[09:32] <Agrajag> FlimFlamMan: I heard userlinux is considering merging with ubuntu
[09:33] <carthik> Help! my "r", "b" and "n" keys are not working in gnome... they are at tty1
[09:33] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: it's a consideration. so far they've concentrated on polisihing debian
[09:33] <mak_> Agrajag, thanks, that did the trick
[09:33] <Agrajag> mak_: cool
[09:34] <carthik> any clues as to why those keys arent working?
[09:34] <carthik> I was counting on getting work done tonight :(
[09:34] <carthik> I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and setting the preferences using gnome...
[09:34] <carthik> neither helps
[09:35] <pharaonic_anubis> Which repository is the libdvdcss2 located on?
[09:35] <jel_> mjr: so you are involved in fsfe, then?
[09:35] <individ_> new keyboard maybe ? :P
[09:35] <membreya> halgeir: how did you go with .asoundrc?
[09:35] <halgeir> membreya. OK. Think I am making progress here. After using your .asoundrc-file, and restarting ALSA. Firefox/Flash started working!! However no success with gnopernicus
[09:35] <carthik> when i had this problem earlier, i used to change the Keyboard Preferences to 105 key from 104 key and viceversa
[09:35] <membreya> hmmmm :|
[09:35] <carthik> individ_, no, this is a laptop that i have been using all these days
[09:35] <membreya> halgeir: do a tail -f .xsession_errors on in your home directory
[09:35] <carthik> pharaonic_anubis, the marillat debian repository is where i got it from
[09:35] <Nula> carthik, tried changing the layout under gnome prefrences?
[09:36] <membreya> and try using gnopernicus
[09:36] <mjr> jel_, no, I'm not involved really
[09:36] <carthik> Nula, yes
[09:36] <mjr> I just sent them a link
[09:36] <mak_> here's a tougher one that I havent been able to get an answer for in the last few days. Does anyone know why when I try to run syndaemon, it gives me an "SHMConfig disabled?" error, even though it is enable in my xorg.conf?
[09:36] <carthik> halgeir, the "r" key does not work....
[09:36] <jel_> mjr: ahh, ok :)
[09:36] <membreya> halgeir: .xsession-errors even
[09:36] <carthik> okay, i can do that at tty1
[09:36] <pharaonic_anubis> Is there a list of all the repositories somewhere?
[09:37] <pharaonic_anubis> I think I found the list.
[09:38] <halgeir> strange... it actually says "...Too much output, ignoring rest..."
[09:38] <carthik> membreya, three errors about gnome-panel g_key_file_add_group: assertions 'g_key_file_lookup_group_node (key_file, Group_name) == NULL' failed
[09:38] <topyli> mjr: how much money do you have behind your pribes program so far? :)
[09:38] <Xgates> OH CRAP ---> install: invalid group `root'
[09:38] <membreya> nothing about sound?
[09:38] <Xgates> now friggin WHAT
[09:38] <Xgates> ahhhhhhhhh
[09:38] <halgeir> ahhh.... there is stuff here. complaining about gnopernicus modules missing...:-)
[09:39] <carthik> membreya, sound? that was a keyboard problem...
[09:39] <halgeir> thanks mbraya... Ill look more on this.
[09:39] <topyli> halgeir: :D
[09:39] <membreya> carthik: no shit
[09:39] <carthik> membreya, d'oh sorry... i must be sleepy
[09:40] <flipy> hi!
[09:40] <carthik> sorry folks, this is the strangest thing.... just three alphabets. I wish the q, z and w keys had stopped working instead...
[09:40] <flipy> how can i connect a mobile phone using irDa?
[09:40] <mak_> so, another resounding no can do on the syndaemon problem ? :)
[09:40] <carthik> so i take it that i am quite on my own with this weird error... :(
[09:42] <duken> how to using raid ?
[09:42] <topyli> flipy: i've been trying and failing to setup irda too. not on hoary yet though.
[09:43] <topyli> flipy: theoretically, you could use either gnokii or openobex (depends on the phone) once your irda stack is sane
[09:44] <Arnia> topyli: Any ideas how to make an irda stack sane? :)
[09:44] <topyli> Arnia: i definitely have no idea :)
[09:44] <xamdm>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY qpc423hw
[09:45] <Fazer> Owned.
[09:45] <xamdm> shit
[09:45] <Fazer> Heh
[09:45] <topyli> Arnia: i've read everything on linux irda ever published on the internet. it looks like it's supposed to be pretty easy :)
[09:45] <carthik> looks like i have screwed up the laptop now...
[09:45] <xamdm> how do i change my password ??
[09:45] <xamdm> in irc
[09:45] <ubuntu_> Hello, I want Ubuntu to automatically mount a folder on the file server (samba) on startup. I'm in fstab now, and I've configured it, I just want to check what I've done is correct
[09:45] <Fazer> xamdm: /msg nickserv help
[09:46] <ubuntu_> For filesystem I have //192.168.2.254
[09:46] <ubuntu_> for mount point I have: /home/ubuntu/fileserver
[09:46] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# adduser xgates root
[09:46] <Xgates> adduser: The group `root' does not exist.
[09:46] <Xgates> does Ubuntu use the group 'root' or like wheel?
[09:46] <duken> how to using raid ?
[09:46] <jel_> anyone using kubuntu?  Does it cause troubles?  I'm already worried about switching from debian to a less mainstream distro, but kubuntu seems even LESS mainstream...
[09:47] <flipy> well, it seems pretty out of scene right now
[09:47] <elcu> Hello, how can I install new gnome themes? i've extracted the archive file to /usr/share/themes, but it doesn't show up in the theme selection dialog.
[09:47] <topyli> ubuntu_: paste the whole line here (with fake username and password of course)
[09:47] <Bazzi> jel_ ubuntu IS mainstream o_O
[09:47] <jel_> Bazzi: how many developers/users, compared to debian?
[09:47] <Bazzi> 400 paid ones I think
[09:48] <jel_> wow, really?
[09:48] <carthik> jel_ the committee is smaller, so work gets done faster
[09:48] <Bazzi> plus the debian ones, since its building upon debian
[09:48] <carthik> Bazzi.. more like 15, dude
[09:48] <Arnia> topyli: *looks* like ;)
[09:48] <flipy> topyli, does it worked with warty?
[09:48] <Bazzi> or was it 400 total?
[09:48] <topyli> flipy: no :)
[09:48] <carthik> Bazzi, paid is about 10-15, so says mako
[09:48] <carthik> or even less , perhaps
[09:48] <Bazzi> oh
[09:49] <flipy> uhm, and how is it supposed to work? does it detects a device and adds the access node?
[09:49] <jel_> anyone using ppc?  Does it get bug fixes etc. quickly?
[09:49] <topyli> flipy: do you have a serial dongle or a built-in laptop irda thingy?
[09:49] <carthik> canonical has other employees, besides ubuntu developers... like clerks, mail people, etc :)
[09:49] <Xgates> say something isnt right here I get --> The group `root' does not exist
[09:49] <flipy> built-in laptop irda
[09:49] <Bazzi> heh
[09:49] <Xgates> how is this setup in Ubuntu?
[09:49] <carthik> Xgates, you have to sudo to do things as root
[09:49] <topyli> flipy: that might be easier than my serial dongle
[09:49] <carthik> add the user to the sudoers file
[09:49] <flipy> i can't get it to work
[09:50] <Xgates> carthik: I am using sudo and I get that
[09:50] <flipy> since i don't know how to handle irda events (or how to setup irda interface)
[09:50] <elcu> Hello, how can I install new gnome themes? i've extracted the archive file to /usr/share/themes, but it doesn't show up in the theme selection dialog.
[09:50] <Xgates> carthik: the user is already in the sudoers file too
[09:50] <topyli> flipy: the laptops ir ports use weird, seekret modules. you'll need to find out which one you need. then worry about the client side
[09:50] <individ> carthik you keyboard map is the correct one?
[09:51] <Xgates> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:51] <Xgates> xgates  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:51] <Xgates> carthik: by accident dont ask how I was able to delete the root account when I did a expert install as --> deluser root
[09:51] <carthik> individ, i rebooted the laptop, xorg.conf has pc104, and the keys werent working
[09:51] <carthik> i changed it in keyboard prefs to 105 key (intl) and it works now
[09:52] <flipy> uhm weird... so more modules stuff to worry about
[09:52] <halgeir> membreya ++: still no luck withgnopernicus (had to restart... ). I am no longer able to play music in rhythbox. Get alsa device default in use by another program.
[09:52] <Xgates> carthik: so I added it back into /etc/passwd --> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[09:52] <carthik> next time I reboot, i will have to change from that to 104 (in gnome)
[09:52] <membreya> hrm :|
[09:52] <Xgates> carthik: thats all I did after running deluser
[09:52] <topyli> flipy: yes. google for your laptop and linux irda. then google for your phone and linux irda
[09:52] <individ> carthik that's quite a bitch
[09:52] <halgeir> the errors in xsession is related to libatk-bridge missing. I think the individual packages (like the terminal) is complaining.
[09:52] <carthik> Xgates, I am not an expert, I try to be helpful, is all...
[09:52] <topyli> flipy: and you should have all you need
[09:53] <Xgates> ;p
[09:53] <carthik> individ... earlier tonight was the first time the switching-trick failed, so i was scared....
[09:53] <Xgates> anyone know I killed root as in deluser root before when I did a expert install, and then I just added it back into the /etc/passwd is all --->     root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[09:53] <halgeir> This message is filling up my xsession-errors: "** (gnome-cups-icon:22646): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030", but I gess that is not related
[09:54] <Xgates> I cant remember is there something needed in /etc/group for root?
[09:54] <Xgates> errr
[09:54] <individ> carthik even so this is a pretty strange situation, changing keyboard settings all the time
[09:54] <membreya> nope halgeir
[09:55] <sataere> Hey everyone, I did a custom compile on my kernel today and everything is working perfect except for my usb mouse.  It writes to the default udev /dev/input/mouse, but it doesn't register the button clicks.  Any ideas?
[09:55] <carthik> individ, i have told gnome many times to just obey the xorg settings, whenever it has asked me through a popup question, but no, it will not obery me!
[09:55] <carthik> obey, even
[09:55] <halgeir> membreya: Any idea why alsa is not letting me play from rythmbox anymore?
[09:55] <membreya> im out of ideas sorry halgeir :| did you kill esd and start alsa?
[09:56] <halgeir> membreya. Of course esd is still starting automatically..:-)
[09:57] <elcu> Hello, how can I install new gnome themes? i've extracted the archive file to /usr/share/themes, but it doesn't show up in the theme selection dialog.
[09:57] <carthik> elcu - choose "install theme" and then the .tar.gz file
[09:58] <elcu> carthik: does it matter if it's bzipped?
[09:58] <jel_> elcu: did you look at the files you extracted? sometimes there's a file you have to read for instructions; sometimes you have to compile; sometimes you have to have certain engines installed before it'll work.  But yes, try carthik's way first.
[09:59] <Xgates> can someone PLEASE open up /etc/group and tell me what they see for root as in ---> root:x:1001:
[09:59] <Xgates> ??
[10:00] <carthik> elcu, please try it. I am not sure...
[10:00] <elcu> jel_: no, there doesn't seem to be any instructions.  i'm trying these skins.
[10:00] <bris> salut all
[10:00] <carthik> elcu there is a whole bunch of themes in the ubuntu hoary universe repository, have you tried them?
[10:00] <elcu> http://www.users.monornet.hu/linux/index2.html
[10:00] <carthik> the theme you want might be there already
[10:00] <cavediver> Hi guys. Does anyone know what version number apache 1, php and mysql has in hoary ?
[10:00] <run|sony> Q: how can i turn off evolution starting up?  when i create a xfce its creating evolution processes
[10:01] <elcu> carthik: i tried the install method.  it won't show up still.
[10:01] <elcu> carthik: i'm still on warty
[10:01] <elcu> does that matter?
[10:01] <Bazzi> cavediver use synaptic to look it up
[10:01] <carthik> elcu, no that does not matter
[10:02] <carthik> elcu, which one are you trying to install, so i can try too?
[10:02] <Xgates> can someone PLEASE open up /etc/group and tell me what they see for root?
[10:02] <elcu> carthik: Aluminum Alloy - Smog
[10:02] <Xgates> I want to make sure its 1001
[10:03] <run|sony> Xgates: root is 0
[10:03] <Seveas> Xgates, root should not be 1001
[10:03] <Seveas> indeed
[10:03] <run|sony> always 0
[10:03] <Seveas> root is always 0
[10:03] <jel_> yep.
[10:03] <topyli> Xgates: root:x:0:
[10:04] <run|sony> any pointers to stop having evolution-exchange-storage start?
[10:04] <jel_> Xgates: yours says 1001?
[10:04] <Xgates> ok btw is root listed at the TOP of /etc/group?
[10:04] <Xgates> not that it really matters Im just picky
[10:05] <halgeir> membreya: This is definately related to alsa not being able to play from different sources at the same time. Beep/Rhythmbox/Fiorefox-Flash is working perfectly by themselves, but not when I try to play simultaneously (different error messages, but no sound).
[10:06] <topyli> halgeir: that's why we have them damn sound daemons in the first place. pity none of them work very well
[10:06] <carthik> elcu
[10:06] <elcu> carthik: did you install it?
[10:06] <carthik> elcu, i downloaded it, opened system-preferences->theme, selected "install theme"
[10:06] <Xgates> jel_: I mucked up my group by accident so just restoring it
[10:06] <carthik> elcu, then I clicked on theme details
[10:07] <carthik> since it is a theme for window decorations...
[10:07] <carthik> and sure enough, it was right there, in the list...
[10:07] <halgeir> ...Im sort of guessing: but might it be that gnopernicus actually depends on being able to play to different channels simoultaneously?
[10:07] <andreas_> Hi
[10:07] <flipy> topyli, that's what i'm doing without any success
[10:07] <Gunblade> Hey how do you takw a screenshot of your desktop?
[10:07] <flipy> topyli, anyway, thank you for your advice, i'll keep searching
[10:07] <elcu> carthik: under window borders?
[10:07] <carthik> elcu, look in "window border" tab, and you will find it
[10:07] <andreas_> Can anyone tell me how to take screenshots during the ubuntu installation?
[10:08] <carthik> elcu, yes
[10:08] <elcu> carthik: human is the 1st in the list.
[10:08] <Gunblade> Hey all how do you take a screenshot of your desktop?
[10:08] <elcu> carthik: what name does it go by? :)
[10:08] <andreas_> Press Prnt Screen
[10:09] <andreas_> Goto GIMP and paste
[10:09] <Gunblade> thank you
[10:09] <lz> i wanna change my grub settttings... is there a gui way?
[10:09] <carthik> eclu, Aluminiumalloy something
[10:10] <carthik> elcu, try installing it the way i described in detail above, perhaps :)
[10:10] <carthik> i did not unzip it..
[10:11] <elcu> carthik: so you just selected the .wal file?
[10:11] <Corai> heya all
[10:11] <Xgates> lz: --> http://grubconf.sourceforge.net/
[10:11] <Xgates> not sure if thats in Ubuntu or not
[10:11] <Corai> is it ok to ask questions in here?
[10:11] <lz> thanks Xgates
[10:12] <topyli> Corai: that's what we do
[10:12] <carthik> eclu, the .tar.bz2 file
[10:12] <carthik> Corai, yup
[10:12] <Corai> I was at efnet and got yelled at, so this was my next choice
[10:12] <carthik> the question you asked is the one that is not allowed here :)
[10:12] <carthik> only one, i mean
[10:12] <topyli> heh
[10:13] <individ> how can i get root on some mandrake linux when having a user account?
[10:13] <Corai> I'm trying to get a webserver running so I've apt-get apache2 and am trying to get php but it doesn't seem to work
[10:13] <topyli> individ: su
[10:13] <Seveas> individ, ask the owner of the box...
[10:13] <elcu> carthik: worked. thanks.
[10:13] <Seveas> individ, this is not #mandrake ;)
[10:13] <individ> Seveas ;)
[10:13] <carthik> elcu, cool
[10:14] <Seveas> individ, generally you use su or sudo, but you must be allowed to use them
[10:14] <individ> john the ripper does not work cause i cant copy from /etc the shadow file
[10:14] <carthik> Corai, doe ubuntuguide.org help at all?
[10:14] <Seveas> individ, isn't it jack the ripper?
[10:14] <Seveas> but eek, password cracking
[10:14] <Seveas> shoo, shoo :)
[10:15] <Corai> carthik, it has "sudo apt-get install php4" as the command but it comes up with package not found
[10:15] <scizzo> Seveas: that is the famous killer from way back...john is the program that looks for passwords
[10:15] <pharaonic_anubis> My DVD drive isn't mounting when I insert a disc, what should I do to fix this?
[10:15] <individ> Seveas  its a good thing , the traffic shaper is killing me
[10:15] <carthik> Corai, shortcut - sudo apt-get install some web-based php+apache app, and then uninstall it, the php mysql apache will all remain...
[10:15] <Seveas> Corai, the package isn't callep php4
[10:15] <carthik> Corai, try search using apt-cache search *php*
[10:16] <Corai> will try
[10:16] <Seveas> Corai, try libapache2-mod-php4
[10:16] <carthik> Corai, then you will know what you can find,
[10:16] <topyli> that will return about 1000 packages
[10:16] <Seveas> hmm, but php4 is a metapackge though...
[10:16] <carthik> topyli, maybe, but he gets the idea...
[10:16] <carthik> and can refine the search, too...
[10:16] <topyli> yeah, grep
[10:17] <carthik> then again, maybe i should just shutup and get back to work :)
[10:17] <topyli> carthik: thanks for the reminer :)
[10:17] <Corai> does libapache2-mod-php4 sound right?
[10:17] <topyli> reminder even
[10:17] <mjc> gaim crashes whe nI drag a link from firefox
[10:18] <carthik> no, topyli , I am sorry, i did not mean to offend you at all - i had a lot of work, and was idling here. that was not sarcastic, or cynical... sorry if it sounded so
[10:18] <carthik> Corai, if you have apache2 installed, then yes...
[10:18] <scizzo> individ: ummmm...so pretty much what you want to do is to crack up a machine....I think this is actually something you have to do on your own....don't think anyone wants to be responsible for something like that
[10:18] <saik0> greetings
[10:18] <topyli> carthik: nonono, genuinely i was idling illegally too :)
[10:19] <topyli> was/am
[10:19] <individ> scizzo like i said just want to get ridd of that traffic shaper
[10:19] <pharaonic_anubis> mwahaha. Got it fixed... had no moint point directory. Silly me.
[10:19] <|FAMAS|xbill> work !! :)
[10:19] <individ> scizzo guess it was a stupid question :)
[10:19] <carthik> Corai, is universe enabled?
[10:19] <halgeir> topyli: Im playing around with different asoundrc-files here. With no success. Is the problem with alsa only playing from one source always related to the right configuration here? Could it be hardware-related?
[10:20] <saik0> is anybody hereing using polyp in xfce?
[10:20] <mishof> is unbuntu running x.org server or xfree86, or something else ?
[10:20] <scizzo> individ: so...?
[10:20] <carthik> Corai, maybe they are not in the main or restricted repos (php4 that is...)
[10:20] <Seveas> mishof, ubuntu hoary (5.04) runs Xorg
[10:20] <saik0> mishof, xorg
[10:20] <individ> scizzo nothing nevermid
[10:20] <topyli> halgeir: i don't know alsa enough, but if the hardware worked with warty, you'd be pretty unlucky if it breaks right on upgrade day
[10:20] <scizzo> individ: hehe
[10:20] <Seveas> warty (4.10) runs xfree
[10:20] <carthik> later, folks
[10:21] <pharaonic_anubis> uhoh. New problem... the dvd is running horribly slow... looks like it is being rendered by software.
[10:21] <pharaonic_anubis> Hmm... how to fix that I'm not sure.
[10:21] <pharaonic_anubis> Any ideas?
[10:21] <Seveas> pharaonic_anubis, try enabling dma
[10:21] <scizzo> individ: "I just want to..." can mean a lot... ;)
[10:21] <topyli> halgeir: i'm beginning to suspect it's gnopernicus that is buggy here
[10:21] <Seveas> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[10:21] <halgeir> topily: No, that was on a different computer.
[10:21] <mishof> Seveas, then maybe you know how can i get xorg source or something like that ? im trying to compile a driver and it gives me tons of errors, i think its because i dont have xorg source or something
[10:21] <saik0> pharaonic_anubis, you probably need to enable DMA, do what Seveas said
[10:21] <topyli> halgeir: ah, then we don't know much :(
[10:21] <Corai> carthik, universe?
[10:21] <Seveas> mishof, you probably only need some -dev packages
[10:21] <pharaonic_anubis> Seveas, saik0, hdparm reports that "using_dma = 1 (on)"
[10:22] <pharaonic_anubis> So I've got dma mode running.
[10:22] <mishof> Seveas, yeah i guess so, but which ? :P
[10:22] <Seveas> mishof, can you paste the error somewhere>
[10:22] <Seveas> ?
[10:22] <pharaonic_anubis> The reason I think it is software rendering the dvd is cause when I do full screen it stretches the image really wierd.
[10:22] <mishof> Seveas, its tons of errors
[10:22] <halgeir> topily: Unfortunately.
[10:22] <Seveas> mishof, then start with the first dozen :)
[10:22] <duken> why installation base system failed ??
[10:22] <Seveas> and please tell me what you are compiling :)
[10:23] <mishof> Seveas, X11/Xosdefs.h: No such file or directory
[10:23] <saik0> pharaonic_anubis, do you have libdbdcss?
[10:23] <individ> scizzo lol
[10:23] <mishof> Seveas, compiling acecad (tablet) driver for xorg
[10:23] <daniels> mishof: apt-get install x-dev
[10:23] <duken> the bootstraps failed
[10:23] <saik0> pharaonic_anubis, libdvdcss, typo
[10:23] <daniels> mishof: you probably want xlibs-dev as well
[10:23] <mishof> daniels, thanks
[10:23] <pharaonic_anubis> saik0, I have libdvdcss2
[10:24] <BlackLabel> do i need to install something extra to be able to extract rar archives? (im using kubuntu)
[10:24] <Seveas> BlackLabel, unrar or unrar-nonfree
[10:24] <BlackLabel> ok
[10:24] <Seveas> pharaonic_anubis, what video hardware do you have?
[10:24] <topyli> BlackLabel: the nonfree works
[10:24] <BlackLabel> ok
[10:25] <pharaonic_anubis> ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x, 128mb, 400MHz DACs.
[10:25] <Corai> is there a quick way of checking your ip address?
[10:25] <Seveas> pharaonic_anubis, have you installed and enabled xorg-driver-fglrx?
[10:25] <Fazer> whatismyip.com
[10:25] <topyli> Corai: ifconfig
[10:25] <Fazer> :P
[10:25] <Corai> thanks
[10:25] <individ> scizzo dont tell me ya neved did it ;)
[10:25] <pharaonic_anubis> Seveas, yes. and it is running great. glxgears reports 1606.00 fps.
[10:26] <BlackLabel> topyli: does it work with Ark do u know?
[10:26] <scizzo> individ: never done it
[10:26] <topyli> BlackLabel: ark? probably. you may have to tell ark where the binary is. haven't seen kde in a good while
[10:26] <individ> scizzo anywayz its stupid cause the admin wud just verify the logs and kick my ars
[10:27] <halgeir> topily: still not giving up here. A last try...:-) In multimedia system selector, I changed "default sink" to alsa. The default source is OSS. However the "test" here does not produce any sound (neither does alsa). Is this normal?
[10:27] <BlackLabel> topyli: k
[10:27] <individ> scizzo i shud be stealth or something
[10:27] <topyli> halgeir: no, it's failing if there's no beep
[10:27] <mishof> daniels, I'm still getting errors, this time 1 error (acecad.h:44: error: redefinition of `struct input_id') any ideas?
[10:27] <saik0> I'm out of ideas and google offers me no answers, has anyone used polyp in xfce?
[10:27] <pharaonic_anubis> Is there anyway to make sure that fglx is using hardware instead of some software rendering?
[10:27] <freewoody> So
[10:27] <pharaonic_anubis> anyway to check that?
[10:28] <freewoody> Can I use Qmail to use it in a Private LAN
[10:28] <scizzo> freewoody: yes
[10:29] <freewoody> How do I go about creating a Qmail Mail Server in a private network of 20 computers
[10:29] <halgeir> topily: OK. Here there is definatly something wrong. Esd fails with error (probably since it is not running). OSS/ALSA does not produce any sound. Retestet alsa, and it actually crashed.. Had to force quit.
[10:29] <freewoody> By the way, the network is not connected to the Internet
[10:30] <mishof> Seveas, I'm getting this error now - acecad.h:44: error: redefinition of `struct input_id' - any ideas?
[10:30] <crax0r> DCC SEND "+ f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f + f +
[10:30] <halgeir> should sink and source be the same?
[10:30] <ac-id> i know this is off topic
[10:30] <Corai> woohoo its working :P
[10:30] <Seveas> crax0r, cut it out
[10:31] <pharaonic_anubis> Thought of an idea... I shall see if it works.
[10:31] <Seveas> mishof, no idea...
[10:31] <ac-id> but can anyone remember any names of those lsass (sasser) exploits?
[10:31] <Seveas> ac-id, we are no exploiters...
[10:31] <Corai> does anyone know a good ftp server?
[10:31] <Seveas> Corai, vsftpd
[10:31] <Corai> just apt-get it?
[10:32] <Seveas> yep
[10:32] <Corai> sweet thanks
[10:32] <freewoody> Has somebody here configure Qmail on Ubuntu ?
[10:32] <linuxboy> seb128: he also did that to me
[10:33] <Corai> seveas, does that use the local accounts as ftp accounts or do you need to specify?
[10:33] <linuxboy> i man, Seveas
[10:33] <Seveas> Corai, i believe it can do both, read the friendly manual :)
[10:34] <Corai> seveas, thanks for your help
[10:35] <scizzo> freewoody: I think that google might give you some good howtos about that
[10:37] <daniels> I've just banned tor because of repeated spambot and exploit abuse.  If you're on tor, legitimate, and can't speak because of this (but I can't see anyone on tor here), /msg me.
[10:38] <Burgundavia> ac-id, I would dig through the secunia updates if you want to know
[10:40] <mishof> whats the kernel version of hoary ?
[10:41] <Seveas> 2.6.10-5
[10:41] <freewoody> So what about Qmail in Ubuntu ?
[10:41] <mjg59> freewoody: It's non-free software
[10:42] <mjg59> freewoody: And the license forbids providing binaries from modified source code.
[10:42] <Seveas> so: no qmail in Ubuntu repositories
[10:42] <Seveas> try exim or courier instead
[10:47] <zxc> Can anyone help, I just changed my screen res in the xorg config file but now it's all screwy
[10:49] <zxc> ^ at all resoloutions I have to scroll the screen to see everything
[10:51] <saik0> I snooped around the boards and couldnt find anything....can you easily remove sound daemons and just use ALSA...I mean is'nt that part of why it was written?
[10:51] <alsbiha> Hi, is it posible to ad more packages to the portage, so that it is possible to add packages like mplayer, eclipse etc with apt-get install?
[10:54] <jamie_k> can anyone give me the command line to unrar a multipart archive?
[10:54] <Burgundavia> unrar e blah.rar
[10:54] <Burgundavia> it will get the rest
[10:54] <Burgundavia> where blah.rar is the 1st archive
[10:54] <Burgundavia> assuming you have unrar-nonfree installed
[10:54] <alsbiha> Hi, is it posible to ad more packages to the portage, so that it is possible to add packages like mplayer, eclipse etc with apt-get install? and to keep it updatete bei apt-get dist-update
[10:55] <Burgundavia> alsbiha, yep, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:55] <jamie_k> Burgundavia: should 1st archive be .001
[10:56] <jamie_k> Burgundavia: i thought usually there was a .00 but this time not.
[10:56] <Burgundavia> jamie_k, should be blah01.rar and blah02.rar
[10:56] <jamie_k> Burgundavia: thanks!
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> Extremely offtopic, but have y'all seen this? http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx
[10:56] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, funny, no?
[10:57] <lhb> Seveas: crax0r also tried something with you?
[10:57] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, MS explains leetspeek
[10:57] <pointwood> how do I get those nice ubuntu wallpapers they produce each month? I've installed ubuntu-artwork and ubuntu-calendar, but most of the wallpapers are missing :(
[10:58] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, sorry, funny, no? is slang for it is funny
[10:58] <alsbiha> hm it seems that i have to install them by myselve. and so they woudnt be updatet by apt-get update-install
[10:58] <Burgundavia> pointwood, there might be a bug related to that
[10:58] <Burgundavia> just a sec while I get it for you
[10:58] <nate> alshiba have you added universe and multiverse repositories?
[10:58] <carlos> pointwood: I think you only get last one, you need to install the old ones by hand
[10:59] <alsbiha> oh now
[10:59] <alsbiha> sorry
[10:59] <pointwood> carlos: I've done that
[10:59] <pointwood> got them all installed
[10:59] <pointwood> through synaptic
[10:59] <jfk303> What do people in here think about EU copyright laws (not patenting), and how they serve to *protect* software developers?
[11:00] <pointwood> ubuntu-calendar-october and forward
[11:00] <carlos> pointwood: if you installed all ubuntu-calendar-* packages, you should have them now
[11:00] <alsbiha> a other problem is that i have added kdm and kde and i got no sound is this a known problem?
[11:00] <alsbiha> the sound card is detected right
[11:00] <pointwood> jfk303: they are sadly on track to change that
[11:00] <Burgundavia> jfk303, might be a better topic for another channel
[11:00] <pointwood> and Burgundavia is prolly right
[11:01] <nate> alshiba if you want KDE wouldn't it be best to start from Kubuntu? Or do you need both KDE and GNOME?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> alsbiha, there are some issues I have heard about regarding sound on Kubuntu, you might want to try #kubuntu for more information
[11:02] <alsbiha> i only need kde
[11:03] <alsbiha> oki thanks
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> -MemoServ- You have no new memos <- :,( nobody loves me
[11:06] <pointwood> Burgundavia: found the bug I think: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8721
[11:06] <Burgundavia> pointwood, thanks
[11:07] <pointwood> looks like there's a quickfix
[11:08] <sydneyfong> apt_preferences
[11:08] <sydneyfong> whoops, wrong chan
[11:08] <Hmmmm> anyone home?
[11:08] <MyNameIsChris> Hmmmm, define home
[11:09] <ubuntu_> Hello, I'm confused about mounting network shares. On the fileserver, I have set nobody:nogroup, but when I mount it, from this ubuntu system, then the files are sets as root:root?
[11:09] <Acidflash> Hi, do some one get XPDE work?. It's start for me, but i can't use the Meny or klick on somting, then it close and go out to console..
[11:10] <ubuntu_> If I chown nobody:nogroup -R fileserver - Will this affect just this local system, or will it make it nobody:nogroup for everyone on the whole network?
[11:10] <pointwood> is the april calendar just 2 hands?
[11:10] <Hmmmm> MyNameIsChris, /home/wtf
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> Hmmmm, In that case, no
[11:11] <Hmmmm> Acidflash, xpde sucks
[11:12] <Acidflash> Hmmmm: That was not the qest.. I wont to get it to work so my girlfriend can run Linux to begin..
[11:14] <redundant_> hello, can i ask a question?
[11:14] <wezzer-> yes you can
[11:14] <redundant_> i have a laptop with no floppy, but have a modprobe error on boot looking for it.. how do i stop the modprobe boot list?
[11:14] <Acidflash> *quest
[11:15] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, where did you download xpde from?
[11:15] <Acidflash> Burgundavia, from xpde.com
[11:16] <Acidflash> redundant_, i think you shud take away "noauto" in fstab.... ;)
[11:16] <Acidflash> Burgundavia, i don't find any .deb version.
[11:17] <redundant_> ill try that,
[11:17] <mak_> anyone know how to find out if my my touch pad is detected, or what is the name of the device. it sort of works, but i cant seem to control it
[11:17] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, I am looking for it as well
[11:17] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, is there a reason you can't reskin gnome or kde?
[11:18] <redundant_> Acidflash - no auto is fstab.. no floppy lines at all.. it has something to do with the modules list loaded at boot.
[11:19] <Acidflash> redundant_, aaa.. *mybad* ;)
[11:19] <redundant_> np :)
[11:19] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, you might want to try #xpde
[11:20] <Acidflash> Burgundavia, i Run kde. But my girlfriend is new in Linux, and she shud feel good to look like windows to beg.. Then she will run KDE aswell.
[11:20] <Choubaka> KDE is a lot cuter than windows :|
[11:20] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, hmm, I would reskin KDE to look like windows myself
[11:21] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, xpde is very much beta software and kde is far more mature
[11:21] <Acidflash> Burgundavia, yes i know.
[11:21] <Choubaka> Acidflash: Just show her the different themes and let her pick one she likes. Then familiarise her with some of the differences.
[11:22] <Acidflash> Yes that's right.
[11:22] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, if there was a debian package, then I would point you there
[11:23] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, but as there isn't, and given the age/maturity of the software, I am hesitant to recommend installing it
[11:23] <Acidflash> Burgundavia, witch network are #xpde on? Not this..
[11:23] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, they claim it is here on their site
[11:24] <zxc> Is there a dock like program for gnome?
[11:24] <Acidflash> aa ;)
[11:24] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, xpde looks almost dead to me
[11:25] <Acidflash> Burgundavia, me too.
[11:25] <mojo_> Greetings
[11:26] <Acidflash> Aa. i will install KDE 3.4.. And she will run with it. ;)
[11:26] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, http://www.xpde.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=168
[11:26] <Burgundavia> Acidflash, kde is very nice for recovering windows users
[11:27] <Acidflash> The thing is i get it to start, but it crash when i try to push the START or some ICON.
[11:27] <zerokarmaleft> even after reading the FAQ, i don't understand why xpde exists
[11:27] <Acidflash> zerokarmaleft, for Windows user's ;)
[11:28] <Acidflash> I run KDE for my self so.. I don't wont to run "Windows lokki like"
[11:31] <mojo_> sry; i am having probs w/ burning. my drives are not being recognized, but they used to work. have pana dvr-105 dvd-rw and creative 52x cdrw
[11:32] <MyNameIsChris> mojo_, SATA HDD?
[11:32] <mojo_> cdrecord -scanbus is not showing anything with dev=ATAPI and with dev=ATA it keeps trying my /dev/hda
[11:32] <Burgundavia> mojo_, what are you using to burn?
[11:32] <freewoody> Does firefox support the online music stations like Yahoo Music ?
[11:32] <mojo_> MyNameIsChris: yes i do have a sata drive but not either of the burners.
[11:32] <MyNameIsChris> mojo_, I know what is wrong
[11:33] <MyNameIsChris> mojo_, turn off ide mapping in your BIOS
[11:33] <mojo_> Burgundavia: cdrecord or nautilus
[11:33] <MyNameIsChris> mojo_, or the equiv
[11:33] <mojo_> IDE mapping?
[11:33] <freewoody> I can't get to hear the music online
[11:33] <MyNameIsChris> mojo_, On mine I had to enable sata enhanced mode and change ide to raid
[11:33] <MyNameIsChris> mojo_, Works with a single drive
[11:33] <zxc> hmm, does nerim not work anymore? and does anyone know where I can get a working repository list?
[11:33] <mojo_> I have 2 IDE drives (hd), 2 burners (ide, 1 ea. dvd & cd), and 1 sata drive (hd)
[11:34] <MyNameIsChris> mojo_, There is something about it on the bugzilla, I had that exact problem
[11:36] <cert> hei guys..how do you database user
[11:36] <mojo_> MyNameIsChris: Okay I can go poke around in BIOS a bit and see. thanks
[11:36] <cert> i've installd prostgresql client
[11:36] <cert> from ubuntu
[11:36] <cert> trying to createdb test
[11:36] <MyNameIsChris> mojo_, No problem, it frustrated me for a while. By chance do you have an Abit mobo?
[11:36] <cert> but it says could not connect to database template1
[11:37] <cert> how do i start my prostgresql
[11:37] <cert> ?
[11:37] <cert> have i forgotten to install any package?
[11:39] <tayar> Hi
[11:39] <tayar> daniels, are you here?
[11:40] <tayar> daniels, when i run somethig using openGL to render x crashes
[11:40] <tayar> hoary
[11:41] <elcu> Any XMMS users?  Why is the menu font so big and ugly?
[11:42] <elcu> i.e. the menu you get when you right-click.
[11:42] <Acidflash> cert, if you run apt-get you can't forgotten any packg :)
[11:42] <daniels> tayar: sweet.  what sort of card, and which driver?
[11:42] <tayar> daniels, how to check
[11:43] <cert> Acidflash : do you know how to run postgresql ?
[11:43] <daniels> tayar: lspci | grep VGA
[11:43] <individ> how can i see a list of all the command a user did , like an log for bash ?
[11:43] <MyNameIsChris> individ, history
[11:43] <tayar> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
[11:44] <individ> MyNameIsChris okey
[11:44] <tayar> daniels, Well i think its opengl... because each time a screensaver starts it would crash and now i disabled it isn't...
[11:44] <Acidflash> cert, nicht.. I have't runt that.
[11:44] <snowblink> ooo new ubuntu calendar. Where did all the naked people go?
[11:45] <tayar> snowblink, i hope they are gone for good
[11:45] <daniels> tayar: ok, I'll check it out.  thanks.
[11:46] <tayar> daniels, you need anything? lke access to such hardware?
[11:46] <snowblink> tayar, that's mean. You're putting them out of jobs.
[11:47] <tayar> daniels, we live in bondi, sydney if you are going to be near enough to us we might put in with the laptop (but the laptops screen is broken so we do need a remote display)
[11:47] <siimo> everyone that wishes to see GTK2/Gnome style buttons, text areas drop downs etc  in Firefox please vote for this bug !! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232553   it seems to have been just sitting around for over a year :-(  i noticed the experimental Qt port of mozilla had this implemented already
[11:47] <procrastinator> How do i change the language of the system after the installation?
[11:48] <cert> hei guys do you nkow how to createdb?
[11:48] <cert> as in...
[11:48] <cert> i try to run this
[11:48] <cert> createdb test << on a console
[11:48] <cert> createdb: could not connect to database template1: FATAL:  user "cert" does not exist
[11:48] <pdr> does anyone know which package latex2e is in?
[11:48] <cert> this is my error
[11:49] <cert> did i miss anything?
[11:49] <elcu> tayar: are you running hoary?  i'm in Aus as well and am wondering how long the Shipit CD will take.
[11:49] <cert> or forgot to set anything
[11:49] <Acidflash> now i will reinstall my *pip* ATI driver.. I hate that installation
[11:49] <daniels> elcu: for hoary?  a little while
[11:49] <odiX> cert, make su - postgres before createdb
[11:49] <tayar> elbi, ask mako
[11:49] <magaltavor> hi can anybody help me please mandb: warning: isuue please
[11:49] <elcu> daniels: rough estimate?  i just ordered it today.
[11:50] <odiX> @cert, and make a user cert
[11:50] <tayar> siimo, how to 'vote'
[11:50] <daniels> elcu: weeks?  probably like ten
[11:50] <siimo> tayar, i think you have to register with bugzilla first and then click the link "Vote for this bug"
[11:50] <elcu> daniels: O_O
[11:51] <elcu> daniels: i was hoping for something like 3 :)
[11:51] <mishof> is there a software similiar to cedega that is free?
[11:51] <Choubaka> wine :p
[11:52] <individ> MyNameIsChris k, so if i delete the content of the bash_history the admin cant see the commands i did , right?
[11:52] <mishof> can wine play directx games?
[11:52] <Choubaka> some.
[11:52] <Choubaka> not nearly as many as cedega though.
[11:52] <mishof> hmm, cedega is better right ? :|
[11:52] <pharaonic_anubis> What is the dpkg command to run a .deb file?
[11:52] <mishof> ah
[11:52] <Choubaka> yeah.
[11:52] <mishof> :(
[11:52] <daniels> elcu: unfortunately not; we need to get the master list of addresses, send it to a company for expansion and verification, get it back, send that off to the pressing company, who will send it off to their smaller sites in .au (f.e.), who will then press, pack and ship it
[11:52] <Choubaka> pharaonic_anubis: install, you mean?
[11:52] <cert> odix, sorry i am new to linux and this.. could you guide me
[11:53] <Choubaka> dpkg -i .p
[11:53] <daniels> elcu: the whole process takes a very long time.  which sucks, because I'm busting to hand out hoary media, and I'm getting sick of burning stuff.
[11:53] <pharaonic_anubis> ahh man.. I'm stupid.
[11:53] <pharaonic_anubis> haha.
[11:53] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[11:54] <Choubaka> Do the CDs really ship worldwide? :|
[11:54] <mishof> Choubaka, they ship to israel, so probably yes
[11:54] <elcu> daniels: i see. ah well. i guess i can't complain when they aren't exactly charging me.  and warty's brilliant.
[11:54] <Choubaka> I want mine already :(
[11:55] <daniels> Choubaka: totally
[11:55] <MrNonchalant> daniels: agreed
[11:55] <queuetue> How do I downgrade a package?  I think playing repository bingo has some incompatible packages installed on me.
[11:55] <Choubaka> ohh.
[11:55] <Choubaka> that's bad.
[11:55] <Choubaka> you need to toy with apt_preferences now.
[11:56] <odiX> @cert, not at the moment, but I will search a link for you ..
[11:56] <queuetue> Is anyone who wants to actually give me instruction here? :)
[11:56] <tayar> daniels, ??
[11:57] <mishof> once i try to open a folder which is not readable by me, nautilus just closes itself ... is it a bug ? shouldnt it just stay in the directory i was in before ? :\
[11:58] <daniels> tayar: oh sorry, I totally missed your previous messages.  we're going to be in Rushcutter's Bay in a couple of weeks, but I should be pretty right.  my first port of call is poking the upstream sis author anyway.
[11:58] <tayar> When printing a pdf it comes out in black and white but when i print anything else its normal? (NOT PRINTING TO PDF! [if you thought this was what i asked READ again] )
[11:59] <queuetue> mishof, is it crashing?
[11:59] <mishof> queuetue, yup
[11:59] <MM2> I did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, but my ubuntu is not updateded... including old firefox (0.9.3) etc
[11:59] <queuetue> mishof, Ok, well, then .. are yu really asking if crashing is a bug?
[11:59] <MM2> what to do? Reinstall ubuntu?
[12:00] <magaltavor> i have a porblem winth man-db
[12:00] <Xgates> WoOt I just did my first CD rescue
[12:00] <Xgates> woo that was fun
[12:00] <Seveas> MM2, have you changed your sources.list?
[12:00] <MM2> Seveas: no, should I?
[12:00] <Seveas> mm2: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:00] <queuetue> MM2, There is almost never a situation -at all- which you will ever need to reinstall ubuntu to solve a problem.  That is a windows solution, not a unix one.
[12:01] <Seveas> queuetue, GNU! (GNU is Not Unix) :)
[12:01] <Xgates> Hey I just compiled 2.6.10 got the patched source from apt-get and I know I compiled it correct, it boots just fine and loads everything ok like the default kernel, BUT the keyboard doesn't work, and the login it there is nothing, and I can't figure this one , hmmm
[12:01] <Xgates> anyone?
[12:01] <mjr> (sometimes, of course, reinstalling may be easier for a non-expert to do)
[12:01] <procrastinator> How do i change the language of the system after the installation?
[12:01] <queuetue> Seveas, And LNG - Linux is not GNU!
[12:01] <Seveas> queuetue, Linux is just the kernel
[12:01] <queuetue> magaltavor, It it a personal problem?
[12:01] <Seveas> not the OS
[12:02] <MM2> ah, I see now...
[12:02] <queuetue> Seveas, And GNU is just a handful of utilities.
[12:02] <Seveas> procrastinator, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:02] <Seveas> queuetue, rofl
[12:02] <Seveas> read the gnu faq :)
[12:02] <procrastinator> Seveas: Thanks
[12:02] <Xgates> I don't know if it's because I had to run 'xorgconf' because X wasn't bringing up my resolution
[12:02] <queuetue> Seveas, Why?  I've been using the GNU toolchain for close to 15 years.
[12:02] <procrastinator> queuetue: It's utilities i'd like to see your system run without
[12:03] <mishof> My time is always set 2 hours earlier .. i set it to the right time, but then once i reboot it goes there again (synchronize isnt checked!) any ideas?
[12:03] <Xgates> ahh well actually thats for X, and the keyboard just crapped at the login in console
[12:03] <Xgates> hmm
[12:03] <queuetue> procrastinator, Agreed.  just like the kernel, or X.
[12:03] <Seveas> queuetue, then you should know GNU is not just a bunch of utilities
[12:03] <Seveas> and that is't more than the toolchain
[12:03] <bris> +++
[12:04] <queuetue> Seveas, ok, didnt know this was going to be a religious thing.  I step away from battle.
[12:04] <procrastinator> queuetue: And more importantly, it's the philosophy which your system would never have been created without
[12:04] <magaltavor> queuetue, i have to you the logs
[12:04] <magaltavor> queuetue, i hae to paste you the logs
[12:04] <magaltavor> queuetue, that i am having
[12:05] <snowblink> yikes! How do I unset nano as default text editor?
[12:05] <queuetue> procrastinator, No, Free Software is the philosophy. GNU is a set of utilities.  Don't preach Stallman to me - I've met the guy multiple times, and he's insulted me via email personally. :)
[12:05] <queuetue> magaltavor, Huh/.
[12:05] <queuetue> magaltavor, Huh?
[12:06] <queuetue> magaltavor, logs for what?
[12:07] <queuetue> magaltavor, unless you're proposing marriage, or my fly is unzipped, there's no need to private message me.
[12:07] <tayar> When printing a pdf it comes out in black and white but when i print anything else its normal? (NOT PRINTING TO PDF! [if you thought this was what i asked READ again] ) ????
[12:07] <tayar> anyone have any ideas?
[12:07] <queuetue> snowblink, what do you want instead?
[12:07] <tayar> if not i need to go
[12:08] <snowblink> queuetue, vim
[12:08] <snowblink> queuetue, I'm just curious as to where it got set to nano
[12:08] <tayar> and i'll ask on the forums later....
[12:09] <Seveas> snowblink, check /etc/bashrc or your .bashrc for the $EDITOR variable
[12:09] <Xgates> I take it no one compiled their own kernel?
[12:10] <lunitik> Xgates: whats wrong with your's?
[12:10] <queuetue> Xgates, I've compiled hundredsof kernels - but not for ubuntu.  Why?
[12:11] <Xgates> yeah Ubuntu is REAL fun
[12:11] <Xgates> lol
[12:11] <lunitik> queuetue: the process is simular across the board enless you use the 'debian way' (make-kpkg)
[12:11] <snowblink> Seveas, nope nothing set. When I tried to compose a message in mutt I was confronted by nano.
[12:11] <queuetue> Xgates, If you don't enjoy yourself, you could just switch to something else...
[12:11] <Xgates> I have everything running the bootup loads everything just like the default 2.6.10, BUT one problem, I removed GDM so I can see what's going on in console, but at the login prompt the keyboard isnt working
[12:12] <Xgates> this is all I need to figure
[12:12] <lunitik> Xgates: It is Debian without (the self) customization
[12:12] <Xgates> I have it all compiled correct but there is something odd here that Ubuntu seems to need more then the usual keyboard setup I compiled in
[12:12] <Seveas> snowblink, check the mutt config
[12:12] <lunitik> Xgates: I can get an Ubuntu install that is exactly the same as I configure a Debian install (minus sudo) in around 20 mins here
[12:12] <Xgates> queuetue: I didnt say I wasnt enjoying myself :-)
[12:13] <Seveas> (I don't use mutt, so can't shed any light on my conf)
[12:13] <queuetue> snowblink, or, just set EDITOR - mutt may obey it.
[12:13] <magaltavor> queuetue, did you got my logs please
[12:13] <Xgates> lunitik: I'm not talking about an install, I'm talking about compiling the kernel for Ubuntu
[12:14] <queuetue> magaltavor, No.  I'm not interested in private messages frm people I don't know.   Please state your problem and if anyone can help, they will.
[12:14] <snowblink> yes, if I export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim, but I'm curious as to why Ubuntu has configured nano as default somewhere (that I can't find).
[12:14] <lunitik> Xgates: compilation of Ubuntu kernels is exactly the same as else where (withouy make-dpkg) or the same as any Debian-based distro (with make-dpkg_
[12:14] <scizzo> snowblink: what should be used then?
[12:14] <lunitik> )*
[12:15] <scizzo> snowblink: you can change default editor easy
[12:15] <mishof> offtopic question: there is this site that lets you enter their email address in sites that requires email validation, and then you can access their inbox. anyone knows that site address?
[12:15] <snowblink> On all previous systems I have used it is usually vi(m). I am wondering why and where Ubuntu set it to nano.
[12:15] <queuetue> scizzo, I think he (and I actually) woud like to know what physicial mechanism is used to choose the curerent editor...
[12:16] <lunitik> mishof: you can sign up for any number of free e-mail accounts and use if for spam
[12:16] <scizzo> queuetue: nano is easy to use maybe?
[12:16] <scizzo> queuetue: its easy for beginners
[12:16] <scizzo> mishof: you mean anonymous addresses?
[12:16] <queuetue> scizzo, Please read the questions, or do not answer. :)
[12:16] <snowblink> scizzo, that's a fair enough reason to recommend it to newbies. Doesn't mean it should be the default editor.
[12:17] <Xgates> lunitik: no it is not
[12:17] <lunitik> queuetue: by default it is whatever you define... else 'export $EDITOR-'someeditor' where 'someeditor' = vi etc
[12:17] <lunitik> Xgates: it really is
[12:17] <scizzo> mishof: http://www.sneakemail.com/ <---- ?? maybe?
[12:18] <snowblink> lunitik, do you know why Ubuntu chose nano as the default editor? I'm sure it wasn't in Warty...
[12:18] <lunitik> queuetue: 'export #EDITOR=someedit'
[12:18] <Xgates> lunitik: I've been doing this 6 years, and the ONLY way it will be the same is ONCE you have stripped down Ubuntu from all that it has running for kernel support
[12:18] <queuetue> lunitik, yes, but *how* is is selected by default?  If EDITOR is unset, what is the physical mechanism that bash uses *PRESENTLY* to choose an editor?
[12:18] <lunitik> snowblink: probably because it is the easiest of the CLI editors to come to terms with..
[12:18] <magaltavor> i have a java related problem
[12:19] <magaltavor> anyone
[12:19] <Choubaka> Haha.
[12:19] <Seveas> queuetue, /etc/alternatives maybe?
[12:19] <snowblink> lunitik, well, not if I'm used to vim it's not
[12:19] <Xgates> and even then there is some quirk somewhere and I can't even get the keyboard to work here at the moment
[12:19] <theine> has breezy been launched?
[12:19] <Seveas> theine, yes
[12:19] <Xgates> trying to figure why it wont load
[12:19] <lunitik> queuetue: without defining $EDITOR bash doesn't define a default editor at all
[12:20] <snowblink> Seveas, perfect
[12:20] <theine> anybody upgraded already?
[12:20] <snowblink> Seveas, I always forget about /etc/alternatives
[12:20] <queuetue> lunitik, ok, then how does svn, cvs and mutt know to use nano, then?
[12:20] <scizzo> snowblink: vim /etc/profile
[12:20] <Seveas> theine, not possible iirc, afaik there are no binaries yet :)
[12:20] <Seveas> queuetue, /etc/alternatives :)
[12:20] <scizzo> snowblink: and then add the editor options in there to change the standard editor for every user....
[12:21] <Seveas> by default there is no $EDITOR set
[12:21] <snowblink> scizzo, queuetue, Seveas, lunitik : It's soft linked in /etc/alternatives/editor to nano
[12:21] <queuetue> Seveas, Ok, how does svn know to use /etc/alternatives ?
[12:21] <Seveas> type env in a shell and you'll see
[12:21] <lunitik> snowblink: not true, VIM is for advanced users... it is far too complex for the regular user... NANO has all the commands right there of the screen so (for lack of a better term) you'd have to be a moron to not understand nano
[12:21] <queuetue> snowblink, Ah, ok.
[12:21] <snowblink> lunitik, thanks for that.
[12:21] <Seveas> queuetue, read the manual :)
[12:22] <lunitik> queuetue: I don't know, but 'echo $EDITOR' here, returns nothing... must be something written into the program code
[12:22] <theine> lunitik, into which program's code?
[12:22] <lunitik> queuetue: ie, 'if [f-f $EDITOR]  else nano
[12:23] <queuetue> lunitik, I suspect it's a debian patch, and it's  'if [f-f $EDITOR]  else /etc/alternatives/editor'
[12:23] <Seveas> lunitik, it just launches the program called 'editor'
[12:23] <Seveas> which is symlinked to something
[12:23] <lunitik> snowblink: then you answer everyones question... the alternative system is one of the most popular Debian based machinisms
[12:24] <Xgates> well I'm going to make it a mod ---> <M>   AT keyboard support Ubuntu doesn't seem to like it compiled in for me
[12:24] <Xgates> hmm odd
[12:24] <lunitik> theine: Debian 'alternative'
[12:24] <queuetue> Yeah /usr/bin/editor is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/editor
[12:24] <snowblink> man update-alternatives for those who fancy something other than nano. ;)
[12:24] <queuetue> Kind of a mess, but not a bad solution...
[12:24] <Xgates> does Ubuntu not like removing --> RAM disk support?
[12:25] <Xgates> like as anything odd been built into it looking for and wanting it?
[12:25] <Xgates> like as/has ...
[12:25] <queuetue> Not as good asjust setting $EDITOR, but it doesn;t require a logout/login to take effect...
[12:25] <mjr> well, probably you can remove that if you don't use initrd
[12:25] <Seveas> queuetue, adjust $EDITOR neither requires logout/login...
[12:25] <Seveas> just source your bashrc again
[12:25] <Xgates> yeah I mean as well as initrd of course, they go hand in hand
[12:25] <Xgates> :=)
[12:26] <queuetue> Seveas, it does if it's made in /etc/profile.
[12:26] <lunitik> queuetue: no, likely a program will check /etc/alternatives/editor then $EDITOR... Debian 'alternatives' is the prefered mechanism is most cases (so much so, that it is one of the many things that orginate from Debian that went into Red Hat based systems
[12:26] <queuetue> (or a resurce,which newbiesd would not understand)
[12:26] <Seveas> queuetue, re-source /etc/profile then...
[12:26] <theine> queuetue, then you can source /etc/profile...
[12:26] <Seveas> there is almost nothing on linux that requires restart or logout
[12:27] <queuetue> Yes, *I* understand how to use source.  *you* understand how to use source.  Now, tell random newbie to use source, and get a blank stare.
[12:27] <lunitik> Seveas: man update-alternatives
[12:27] <Seveas> kernel or X upgrades are the most obvious exceptions :)
[12:27] <Seveas> lunitik, i konw about that....
[12:27] <Seveas> know*
[12:27] <Seveas> i didn't have the problem :)
[12:27] <lunitik> Seveas: then you don't have to read the man page  :P
[12:27] <queuetue> Seveas, What is whith this chip you have on your shoulder? If you just want to fight with someone, have it out.
[12:28] <Seveas> queuetue, hm?
[12:28] <queuetue> Seveas, otherwise, take it easy.
[12:28] <theine> queuetue, relax dood...
[12:28] <Seveas> i take it easy
[12:28] <Seveas> what's your problem?
[12:28] <snowblink> hehe - update-alternatives --config editor. I dare you to select (1)
[12:28] <queuetue> Seveas, None oher than what I just stated - stop jumping on peopel to prove your prowess - we're all here to help.
[12:28] <lunitik> Seveas: the prefered way of addressing someone is 'nickname: someshit'
[12:29] <Seveas> queuetue, i don;t jump on people...
[12:29] <theine> snowblink, good choice indeed... :)
[12:29] <Seveas> queuetue, what makes you think that?
[12:29] <queuetue> Seveas, Well, you may want to re-read your interactions with me.
[12:29] <lunitik> queuetue: Debian-centric people think Ubuntu people are morons... else why wouldn't they be running Debian itself?
[12:29] <lunitik> Common misconception
[12:30] <queuetue> lunitik, Because .. it hasn't released anything in living memory? :)
[12:30] <Seveas> queuetue, i see nothing wrong with that, sorry if i have offended you
[12:30] <BlackLabel> lunitik: how is ubuntu different?
[12:30] <lunitik> Most people run Ubuntu because it is a supported SID...
[12:30] <lunitik> queuetue: bah, I was around for woody's release
[12:30] <lunitik> queuetue: although that was a while ago  :P
[12:31] <queuetue> lunitik, I watched it happen, but RH had me by the short ones back then. :)
[12:31] <lunitik> BlackLabel: most Debian users use SID, Ubuntu is basically a supported SID without the politics and the need to support 20 architechtures
[12:32] <Xgates> say anyone know what the optimizations are on the .deb Ubuntu packs --> march=? mcpu=?
[12:32] <Seveas> lunitik, that is quite a rude statement (but carries some truth)
[12:32] <lunitik> queuetue: I went to Debian shortly after RH 7.3... never really got used to the RPM based system... which holds me back now  :(
[12:33] <queuetue> Poor people trying to run linux on a Timex Sincalair will be forced to pick up a 486 or a mac... :(
[12:33] <lunitik> Seveas: what is? I have made several statements since last you addressed me
[12:33] <odyssey> lunitik, rpm is holding you back?
[12:33] <queuetue> lunitik, I uset apt-rpm wherever I manage RH boxen now...
[12:33] <Seveas> lunitik, about ubuntu basically being a supported SID
[12:33] <St0n3-C0l> heY...change your apt sources.list
[12:33] <St0n3-C0l> from hoary to breezy
[12:33] <queuetue> breezy?
[12:34] <lunitik> odyssey: yes, many companies support RPM over DPKG because it is a part of the LSB specification, I am not terribly familier with RPM
[12:34] <theine> queuetue, development release
[12:34] <queuetue> theine, In repositories already?
[12:34] <theine> queuetue, yeah
[12:34] <St0n3-C0l> queuetue: Yep.
[12:34] <Xgates> anyone know the  march=? mcpu=?  on the packs?
[12:34] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, are there bins uploaded already?
[12:34] <theine> queuetue, although no updates yet
[12:34] <Seveas> ah
[12:34] <odyssey> rpm seems easier for me, but .deb is super
[12:34] <lunitik> Seveas: how is that a rude statement? Every 6 months, Ubuntu syncs with Sid, and customizes and stabilizes it
[12:34] <Seveas> figured that
[12:35] <odyssey> has anything major been put into breezy?
[12:35] <queuetue> Nice, beagle by default, graphical installer, selinux,
[12:35] <Seveas> indeed stabilizes, that goes a bit beyond support imho
[12:35] <Acidflash> Some one are good to get ATI card to work?
[12:35] <Acidflash> I do like the wizard say, but it's not work when i update to 5.04
[12:35] <lunitik> queuetue: I said familier with RPM, not APT, sure I can use APT, but that doesn't make me more familier with RPM, RPM is covered in most Linux certs
[12:35] <scizzo> queuetue: changed the default editor here now
[12:35] <Xgates> are these .deb packs from debian, or built on Ubuntu?
[12:35] <Seveas> Acidflash, in hoary install xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:35] <scizzo> queuetue: with using the alternatives
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> Seveas: haven't checked yet last time I saw http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/binary-i386 was empty but now they're with main universe multiverse restricted dirs.
[12:36] <queuetue> scizzo, Cool.  Glad we both got to learn that today. :)
[12:36] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, but the buildd's do not build breezy packages yet (according to a conversation overheard a few hours ago on #ubuntu-devel)
[12:36] <odiX> are there any news about freezing X with nv or nvidia in hoary ?
[12:37] <St0n3-C0l> Don't know I'll check :)
[12:37] <EricNeon> bye
[12:37] <scizzo> queuetue: I guess you changed it with: update-alternatives --config editor ?
[12:37] <lunitik> odiX: Ubuntu Hoary should support both Nvidia and ATI
[12:37] <queuetue> odiX, try #nvidia - I did hear something recently.
[12:37] <queuetue> scizzo, I have not changed mine, I wa sjust glad to get the information. :)
[12:38] <queuetue> scizzo, I won't behappy unless I can change my editor to emacs-nox. :)
[12:38] <scizzo> queuetue: well....if you read the manual and look at update-alternatives you will also see that the alternatives are being done with priorities also...
[12:39] <scizzo> queuetue: update-alternative --display editor
[12:39] <scizzo> queuetue: you should see a few editors available there
[12:39] <lunitik> odiX: ignore what queuetue just told you, Debian and Ubuntu pre-package such drivers... 'nvidia-glx' (installed by defualt via 'linux-restricted-modules'
[12:39] <lunitik> default*
[12:40] <vasi> any PPC users had any luck installing Beagle?
[12:40] <lunitik> vasi: it shouldn't matter architechture... C# is supported on many archs
[12:40] <goo> Hello. I had some terrible problems with ssh port forwarding in Ubuntu - ie. It just didn't work at all. So I got mad and booted into Gentoo. Anyone has any ideas about that?
[12:41] <goo> (not Gentoo, you trolls ;)
[12:41] <vasi> lunitik, well i had to bootstrap Mono 1.1.4
[12:41] <queuetue> lunitik, Huh?  What did I tell him?  To check with #nvidia?
[12:41] <lunitik> vasi: sounds like overkill, but ok
[12:41] <Seveas> goo, what were the problems?
[12:41] <Xgates> man if I get mad I'll boot SLACK
[12:41] <Xgates> LOL
[12:41] <vasi> lunitik, how else am i going to get Beagle 0.0.9 (most recent)?
[12:42] <odiX> @lunitik, but I think, I saw driver "nv" in my xorg.conf, maybe I'm wrong, I know this issues with the latest nvidia bins, but not with open source nv
[12:42] <lunitik> queuetue: yes... #nvidia would tell him to install the drivers from nvidia.com ... on Debian-based systems, this is not the prefered way
[12:42] <vasi> it doesn't work with the Mono in Hoary
[12:42] <Acidflash> Seveas, i have don that.. But it's not work.. I only get..
[12:42] <Acidflash> acidflash@home:~$ fglrxinfo
[12:42] <Acidflash> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[12:42] <Acidflash> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[12:42] <Acidflash> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[12:42] <Acidflash> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[12:42] <Seveas> vasi, wait for a month, beagle should be available from the repos then :)
[12:42] <lunitik> vasi: afaik, alll the dependencies are in Hoary
[12:42] <goo> Seveas: I set up a forwarding like so:  ssh -L 7777:anotherhost.tld:22 onehost.tld  .  Then I try to connect to anotherhost via that tunnel with  ssh -p 7777 localhost   - but that just doesn't work.
[12:42] <theine> Seveas, from the breezy repos I guess?
[12:42] <queuetue> lunitik, He was asking if there were any hanging issues.  #nvidia would know.  Telling people to not get all the facts so that your preferred solution gets used is irrisponsible.
[12:43] <Acidflash> i have try to write in Xorg.conf
[12:43] <Acidflash> Section "Device"
[12:43] <Acidflash>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 (R300 AP)"
[12:43] <Acidflash>         Driver          "fglrx"
[12:43] <Acidflash>         BusID           "PCI:2:0:0"
[12:43] <Acidflash>         Option           "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[12:43] <Acidflash> EndSection
[12:43] <Seveas> Acidflash, hmm, looks like mesa is putting up a fight there Acidflash, i believe there are documentations about that on the wiki
[12:43] <goo> Seveas: ssh -D <port>  doesn't work either.
[12:43] <Seveas> theine, yes
[12:43] <queuetue> Damn, why are there so many jerks active in here ths morning?
[12:43] <theine> vasi, have you checked http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall ?
[12:43] <goo> Seveas: Can you think of any config statements Ubuntu might have gotten wrong?
[12:43] <vasi> theine, there are no ppc debs in that repo :-(
[12:43] <Acidflash> Seveas, hehe yes i read about it.. I will try agen.. Not a fight :P
[12:43] <lunitik> queuetue: the "Debian-way" is far easier to support than nvidia's way on a Debian-based machine
[12:44] <queuetue> lunitik, I didn't tell him to change a thing - I told him where he could go for information.
[12:44] <theine> vasi, sorry, I overlooked the PPC part in your question...
[12:44] <lunitik> queuetue: in the future, tell people asking this question to look at 'wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:44] <vasi> lunitik, according to the Beagle site (which theine just linked to, Beagle 0.0.9 doesn't work with Mono 1.0.5)
[12:44] <Seveas> goo, i do not know much about ssh tunnels, but doesn;t this require an ssh server to be installed on localhost
[12:44] <queuetue> lunitik, If the "debian way" is causing hangs, then screw it, and use "the way that works."
[12:44] <vasi> theine, that's ok...i did manage to build Mono successfully anyhow, but beagle can't seem to talk to DBUS
[12:45] <goo> Seveas: I can tell you do not know much about ssh tunnels just from you asking that question :)
[12:45] <membreya> what is people's obsession with beagle? doesn't it cause your pc to slug down after a few days?
[12:45] <Seveas> goo, :)
[12:45] <lunitik> queuetue: the 'way that works' is the debian way, but with dpkg knowing about it.. and without having to go through 3rd party sites
[12:45] <julo> hi
[12:46] <theine> goo, why? you do need a local ssh server running for that...
[12:46] <lunitik> queuetue: Ubuntu supports the way listed on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto but does not support the way you stated
[12:46] <Seveas> theine, the manpages doesn't state that
[12:46] <queuetue> lunitik, I didn't send anyone to any alternative sites, you idiot.  A question was asked about Nvidia driver stability, and I sent him to one of  anumber of places he could get good information about it.
[12:46] <Seveas> queuetue, please watch your words
[12:46] <membreya> you go queuetue ..give em hell :P
[12:46] <Seveas> and dont yell at people
[12:47] <theine> goo, who do you think handles 'ssh -p 7777 localhost' if there's no ssh server running on localhost...?
[12:47] <queuetue> Seveas, I see them - what about them?
[12:47] <julo> I have a strange problem: my password is refused about 90% of the time. And I'm 100% sur I type it well (I type it very slowly).
[12:47] <Seveas> theine, ssh -L, which has been started before :)
[12:47] <lunitik> queuetue: refrain from calling me an idiot, thanks... I told you to advise the supported way... if you want to lead him down another path, do it in private...
[12:47] <theine> goo, sorry, that was meant for Seveas
[12:47] <theine> Seveas, are you very sure of that?
[12:48] <Seveas> no, but that's my interpretation of the manpage :)
[12:48] <goo> theine: ah, you just destroyed my perfectly good rant here ;)
[12:48] <lunitik> queuetue: I personally do things via a method that is unsupported, but this is #ubuntu, thus you must advise the way the Developers are prepared to support
[12:48] <theine> goo, again I'm very sorry :)
[12:49] <queuetue> lunitik, refrain from acting like an idiot, and no one will feel the need to call you one.  I dont' have an "ubuntu support contract" and I'm not required to follow any protocols that yu think are ap[propriate. The goal was to have as much information a spossible, not only yourpwn private brand of 'certified information.'
[12:49] <theine> Seveas, are we looking at line 326 in the ssh manpage?
[12:49] <Seveas> queuetue, but you have to follow the code of conduvt when being here
[12:49] <Seveas> otherwise, please leave
[12:49] <queuetue> I doubt he has an ubuntu support contract either, so stop hamemring "supported methods" into people's heads.
[12:49] <odiX> @lunitik, I've received queuetue's message the right way. It was about the stability issue, not how to install.
[12:49] <lunitik> queuetue: I can report you for abusing the community contract, and see how they feel on the matter if you'd like?
[12:49] <membreya> there's a code of conduct? :|
[12:49] <theine> queuetue, could you please get into a more pleasent mood?
[12:49] <Amaranth> Yes.
[12:50] <lunitik> membreya: yes, there is
[12:50] <Seveas> yes, there is a code of conduct and you have to follow it when chatting here
[12:50] <Amaranth> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[12:50] <membreya> *stares blankly*
[12:50] <queuetue> Seveas, if you have the need and th epower to censor me, go right ahead.  I'd rather get kicked than play stupid games.
[12:50] <membreya> should be in the topic..or at least given out by a bot when you join
[12:50] <Seveas> theine, i am looking at line 256, man ssh
[12:51] <lunitik> queuetue: he has the power, as does everyone via the community contract and those that inforce it
[12:51] <Amaranth> "The Ubuntu community and its members treat one another with respect."
[12:51] <jfk303> first line of coc "Ubuntu is an African concept of "humanity towards others"" you idiots
[12:52] <Seveas> queuetue, i do not have that power and would not use it if i had, but please act as a normal human being
[12:52] <theine> Seveas, hmmm, maybe goo did set up the port forwarding as root?
[12:52] <queuetue> jfk303, Damn straight - and we should act like humans, not politically correct zombies.
[12:52] <lunitik> queuetue: you're personally prefered methods, that are not supported, are irrelivant here... advise those based on the supported way, or don't offer help at all
[12:52] <theine> Seveas, 's/did/did not/'
[12:52] <lunitik> queuetue: s/you're/your
[12:52] <Seveas> theine, he doesn;t have to, 7777 is not a privileged port :)
[12:53] <theine> Seveas, right, ignore me...
[12:53] <Seveas> nah :)
[12:53] <Seveas> you're a good guy, at least trying to help :)
[12:53] <lunitik> queuetue: you are the one that looks like the idiot, because, especialy on this subject, the supported way is clearly defined
[12:53] <theine> Seveas, cheers
[12:53] <queuetue> lunitik, i will offer help based on ways that work, including those that the ubuntu wiki suggest and others.  If the wiki every contains every possible solution for every possible problem in every possible configuration for every possible combination, then maybe I will only point people there.  Until then, I'll point people wherever the info is good.
[12:54] <blizzo> hi im trying to install mplayer codecs for totem. https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo/ The Problem is the ln -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/* command doesnt work! So what do I have to do?
[12:54] <Seveas> lunitik, please stop it, you'll never convince him, so it's better to not waste your time :)
[12:54] <lunitik> queuetue: then you are suggesting things that are not supported... enless you want to be personally accountable for anything that goes wrong via that method... advise the Ubuntu way
[12:54] <queuetue> lunitik, He did not ask to change anything, and I did not suggest he change anything.  he asked if there were reports of hanging, and I showed him an additinal plave to ask.  Hammer this into your thick skull.
[12:55] <Amaranth> queuetue, lunitik: Drop it, please.
[12:55] <jfk303> ok all, chill out, I normally like reading what everyone writes...
[12:55] <membreya> how do I tell wget to download a file to a specific directory?
[12:55] <dj28> can someone here tell me how to use the ubuntu-calendar backgrounds when the package is installed?
[12:55] <queuetue> lunitik, are you under the impression that I have signed soem kind of cntract with the company that owns ubuntu?
[12:55] <lunitik> queuetue: hammer this into your thick skull... if its not supported, then YOU PERSONALLY are responsible... I don't have time for that, maybe you do?
[12:55] <Amaranth> membreya: Run if from the directory? :)
[12:56] <Seveas> blizzo, that is because it is impossible for that command to work...
[12:56] <membreya> Amaranth: I want to run it as a cron job (between 2 am and 9am my downloads don't count)
[12:56] <Amaranth> membreya: wget then move the file?
[12:57] <lunitik> queuetue: the supported method is known by most that are here helping, thus EVERYONE can help if something goes wrong... you can only hope your method is supported by others if you deviate from that
[12:57] <membreya> but if I cron job it as my user, will it download to ~/membreya?
[12:57] <Lobster> I am a refugee from Puppy Linux (using that now) but I also use the 2.10 Ubuntu on HD - I have a general question?
[12:57] <Peoples> exit
[12:57] <Seveas> membreya, cd in your cronjob
[12:57] <queuetue> lunitik, who put you on the hook, personally?  No one owes you anything and you dont owe them anything.  But you certainly dont have any power to control me or anyone else, and you have no right to assume that the information you choose to give out is any better than the informationI choose to give out.  It's surprising just how ccurate your name is...
[12:57] <membreya> Seveas: meeep!
[12:57] <Amaranth> membreya: use wget -O file http://example.com/foo.ext
[12:57] <Amaranth> -O /home/membreya/whatever
[12:57] <membreya> Amaranth: so it would be use wget -O /~membreya/file http://example.com/foo.ext?
[12:58] <membreya> aaah
[12:58] <membreya> you're a legend :D
[12:58] <Seveas>  /~membreya won't work
[12:58] <Amaranth> membreya: man pages are quite helpful :)
[12:58] <blizzo> Seveas: Yes I know ... last argument must be a directory, or am I wrong? Hmm thats what the HowTo tells ... so what do I have to do?
[12:58] <Seveas> try ~membreya
[12:58] <Seveas> or /home/membreya
[12:58] <queuetue> lunitik, *I* use unix and Linux because of the freedom and flexibility it provides for me, to use *the best* solution.  You should go and support Windows, where there really is only one solution.
[12:58] <Amaranth> ~ and /home/membreya are the same thing
[12:58] <membreya> Amaranth: have you read the man page for wget.. I've been up for 22 hours...that thing is huge!
[12:58] <Amaranth> membreya: heh, i just read it to get that answer
[12:58] <Amaranth> i've been up 23 hours ;)
[12:59] <Lobster> My question is to do with IRC?
[12:59] <lunitik> queuetue: I give out information based on the wiki... I have been corrected by developers, and thusly corrected the wiki... I pay attention to what is supported, and I pay attention to what I should say via a given situation... my words almost 100% of the time would come from a developer if they had time, but they are busy
[12:59] <membreya> Amaranth: ..damn you!
[12:59] <Seveas> membreya, Amaranth go get some sleep :p
[12:59] <kbrooks> 23 hours
[12:59] <kbrooks> meh
[12:59] <membreya> Amaranth: ..does it count that I have hypertension at the moment? :D
[01:00] <Amaranth> hypertension?
[01:00] <lunitik> queuetue: your personal freedom differs from what is recommended and supported... like I said, I differ greatly from "the supported way" in many situations, but that doesn't give me the right to advice others of this method, even if it does work
[01:00] <queuetue> lunitik, Again, that does not matter.  Any info that isn't froma developer isn't bad information.  Any info that conmes from an external source is not bad information.  Running my own flavor of ubuntu is not a sin.  Suggesting others learn something other than ubuntu's wiki s not a sin.
[01:00] <membreya> Amaranth: high blood pressure resulting in constant headaches :)
[01:00] <Lobster> How does one set up an IRC channel - is it a long process?
[01:00] <kbrooks> Lobster, no.
[01:00] <Seveas> Lobster, just type /join #channelname
[01:00] <Myrtti> Lobster: /join #yourveryownchannel
[01:00] <Amaranth> lunitik, queuetue: Seriously, drop it. If you don't agree with the Code of Conduct you are free to leave.
[01:00] <Seveas> and you're done :)
[01:00] <Amaranth> Lobster: Join the channel, /msg ChanServ HELP for info on registering it
[01:01] <kbrooks> echo
[01:01] <Amaranth> additional info :)
[01:01] <lunitik> queuetue: I never said it was bad information... in fact, your method was perfectly correct in the grand scheme of things... but advising this in #ubuntu is _NOT_ correct...
[01:01] <queuetue> Amaranth, As is lunitik, I'm sure - you must have someohow forgot to adress him with your little threat.
[01:01] <Amaranth> queuetue: Yes I did.
[01:02] <kbrooks> lunitik and queuetue: Want to create another channel and discuss this there with me? :)
[01:02] <lunitik> queuetue: he addressed me also... but I am more willing to be kicked out of the community than see others suffer because of your advise
[01:02] <queuetue> So, lunitik, are you the information minister?  Have you decided what information can and cannot be shared in #ubuntu ?
[01:02] <queuetue> kbrooks, I'd really prefer if the conversation just went away.
[01:03] <Amaranth> queuetue: Are you willing to support the help you're giving these people? If not, please don't make more work for us.
[01:03] <Lobster> Thanks guys - I will try and set up an IRC for some of our Pups - if any of you would like to try puppy (only a 60 meg download for braodband users) - here is the wiki - comming up
[01:03] <Seveas> queuetue, the stop it (lunitik, you too) ;)
[01:03] <Seveas> s/the/then/
[01:03] <lunitik> Amaranth, kbrooks: I have no specific issue with him right now, other than information he gave out regarding an unsupported method of doing something... he refuses to acknowledge that, and continues to address me on the matter, so I am responding
[01:03] <queuetue> "my adcvice" was to talk t another channel - a channel dedicated to the actual issue that the person was asking about.  This is going to damage him?
[01:03] <membreya> ok cron job is all setup kubuntu DVD..here I come :D
[01:03] <kbrooks> it's just a offer.
[01:03] <Seveas> lunitik, queuetue, obviously you will never agree, can you stop it please??
[01:04] <Amaranth> queuetue: Ok then, no problem. I didn't see that part. :)
[01:04] <lunitik> Seveas: bah, at this point, I just want him to acknowledge he understands my point
[01:04] <Seveas> lunitik, queuetue, you both have a good point and both are right...
[01:04] <Amaranth> queuetue: I thought lunitik was arguing because you were telling them to install from source or something.
[01:04] <Seveas> so now can we get back to being helpful...
[01:04] <queuetue> Seveas, The difference being that *I* didn't tell another person to ignore lunitik.
[01:04] <Lobster> http://www.goosee.com/puppy/wikka/PuppyLinuxMainPage  ;) is a Puppy
[01:04] <lunitik> Amaranth: he told someone to use the methods suggested in #nvidia to install said drivers on Ubuntu
[01:05] <Amaranth> lunitik: And we can point said user to #nvidia for additional help with the issue.
[01:05] <queuetue> Amaranth, No, he isn't.  hes arguing that it's innapropriate for me to suggest someone ask about an nvidia proprietary driver issue in #nvidia.
[01:05] <Lobster> OAUSAI
[01:05] <Amaranth> lunitik: As long as the user is aware of this there is no problem.
[01:05] <Seveas> Lobster, hm?
[01:05] <kbrooks> i'm willing to actually take this to another channel.......arguing here is pointless
[01:06] <Lobster> Onward ANd Upwards Sideways And Inwards
[01:06] <lunitik> Amaranth: thats where me and him disagree... the methods suggested in #nvidia are not supported, and thus should either be suggested in private, or not at all
[01:06] <kbrooks> also, it hinders the channel from helping
[01:06] <queuetue> kbrooks, looks solved, but if it flares back up, sure. :)
[01:06] <Lobster> BFN - thanks for IRC advice
[01:06] <nate> anyone getting Synaptic errors?
[01:06] <kbrooks> BFN?
[01:07] <nate> I'm getting this:
[01:07] <Seveas> nate, what kind of errors?
[01:07] <Seveas> ah :)
[01:07] <nate> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[01:07] <queuetue> kbrooks, Come on over to kbrooks where no namby pamby interpretation of ehat "for humans" means will hamper a good conversation.:)
[01:07] <membreya> what else is a nice big download that I can queue up? :)
[01:07] <kbrooks> heh
[01:07] <queuetue> kbrooks, I mean over to ##ubuntu
[01:08] <Amaranth> membreya: http://archive.ubuntu.com has a 300MB 'bigfile' that seems to be worthless, if you're bored. :)
[01:08] <Seveas> nate, interesting, looks like an error at the server side or you missing the key
[01:08] <lunitik> kbrooks: agreed... and I would be willing to take it elsewhere if you specify a channel... point is, if the majority of helpers in here can't assist users on a matter, then that method should not be suggested... people should limit there answeres to what is on the wiki, and if they disagree with that, they should change the wiki so others can oblige in assistance
[01:08] <kbrooks> ok
[01:08] <membreya> Amaranth: only 300mb? :|
[01:08] <Seveas> nate, does apt-key list say that you have this gpg key?
[01:08] <membreya> cmon, I've queued up the kubuntu DVD :P
[01:08] <Amaranth> heh
[01:08] <Amaranth> Seveas: I got your notice in another channel window. :)
[01:08] <nate> let me check...
[01:09] <Seveas> lol Amaranth :)
[01:09] <Seveas> that's quite odd
[01:09] <lunitik> kbrooks: everyone here can edit the wiki... but the wiki defines the consensus (mainly because everyone can edit it, thus direct this) ... suggesting something that goes against that should not be permitted
[01:09] <nate> pub  1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[01:09] <nate> guess so - nothing's changed since yesterday, when it was working fine
[01:10] <Seveas> nate, try apt-get update again
[01:10] <Seveas> or reload in synaptic
[01:10] <Fast240Z> hey, could someone help me out with boot loader issues? I took a look at ubuntuguide.org, and what it had there didn't help me out any
[01:10] <nate> hmm
[01:10] <nate> I just did a 'restore default keys' from Synaptic preferences. Now I get two key errors
[01:10] <nate> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[01:10] <nate> W: GPG error: http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[01:10] <Seveas> Fast240Z, what are the issues?
[01:10] <theine> Fast240Z, tell us about the issue
[01:11] <Fast240Z> well, I dual boot, and I can't figure out how to set windows as the default os to boot
[01:11] <zxc> how can I get codecs if the repository is down?
[01:11] <Amaranth> nate: File a bug.
[01:11] <Seveas> nate, that's odd, i get no errors at al with that
[01:11] <Amaranth> zxc: What repository?
[01:11] <zxc> fast240z, you using grub?
[01:11] <Fast240Z> yeah
[01:11] <zxc> amaranth, nelim or something?
[01:11] <theine> Fast240Z, Is windows listed as second or third in the boot menu?
[01:11] <nate> I seem to be using nz.archive.ubuntu.com for a lot of repositories
[01:11] <lunitik> zxc: what repository are you using for the codecs? (also, what codecs?)
[01:11] <Fast240Z> I followed what the tutorial said, and it didn't do anything for me
[01:11] <Fast240Z> it's at the very bottom, like 4th
[01:11] <nate> I presume it automatically selected my geographically closest mirror at install time
[01:12] <Amaranth> zxc: If it isn't an official Ubuntu repository there is nothing we can do.
[01:12] <nate> maybe the NZ mirror is dodgy
[01:12] <Seveas> Fast240Z, edit /boot/grub/menu.list as root and make sure 'default' points to your windows install
[01:12] <nate> well, I didn't change it, so I presume it's official
[01:12] <Fast240Z> (thanks for your help btw)
[01:12] <theine> Fast240Z, could you perhaps post /boot/grub/menu.lst at www.pastebin.org?
[01:12] <Seveas> nate, nz.archive is actually archive
[01:12] <Seveas> :)
[01:12] <theine> Fast240Z, sorry, that's pastebin.com
[01:12] <zxc> amaranth, oh ok so I can't play .mp3 and things like that?
[01:12] <lunitik> Seveas: you mean 'actually'... or?  :)
[01:13] <Fast240Z> would you mind giving me the command to read/edit /boot/grub/menu.lst?  I don't know all of the commands to edit
[01:13] <ubuntu_> hi
[01:13] <Fast240Z> and sure, I'll post that for you
[01:13] <Seveas> lunitik, hm?
[01:13] <lunitik> zxc: if you activate 'universe', then mp3's are playable
[01:13] <Amaranth> zxc: That's in universe
[01:13] <theine> Fast240Z, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:13] <zxc> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst fast240z
[01:13] <Fast240Z> thanks
[01:13] <lunitik> Seveas: you stated 'actually archive' ... wondering if you meant active?
[01:13] <Seveas> no
[01:13] <lunitik> Seveas: oh
[01:14] <zxc> lunitik, how do I activate universe?
[01:14] <Fast240Z> give me a sec, and I'll post that for you
[01:14] <Seveas> i meant: nz.archive.ubuntu.com is actually archive.ubuntu.com :)
[01:14] <Amaranth> zxc: Enable universe and install the gstreamer-plugins package, after that if totem or rhythmbox won't play something they aren't going to
[01:14] <lunitik> Seveas: I'll shut up then  :P
[01:14] <e2e> Hi, i've downloaded boot live and install iso, but when i try to boot from live-cd as soon as computer boot, it restarts, and when try to boot from installation cd it gives image checksum error. I've checked md5sums and isos seems ok. What could be the problem?
[01:14] <Seveas> lunitik, neh, you'd better help people than shut up :)
[01:14] <zxc> amaranth, how do I "enable" it
[01:14] <lunitik> zxc: there is a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that starts 'deb http://....
[01:14] <theine> Fast240Z, you need to put the entry listed after "END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" above " BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"
[01:14] <nate> any procedure I need to follow to file a bug, or is it just go to bugzilla.ubuntu.com and create a new one?
[01:15] <nate> should I be searching to see if it's on the forums or anything first?
[01:15] <lunitik> zxc: it is commented out, you want to remove the '#' from the start of that line... and 'apt-get upgdate'
[01:15] <Seveas> nate, please check if the bg has been filed before you file it
[01:15] <Amaranth> zxc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:15] <lunitik> Seveas: I'll do what I can  :P
[01:15] <Fast240Z> http://pastebin.com/270718
[01:15] <zxc> lunitik, I already have done all that but when I run the command to get the codecs it can't get them off the server
[01:15] <Fast240Z> there's my grub list
[01:16] <theine> Fast240Z, thanks
[01:16] <nate> searching under 'Archive Automatic Signing Key' gave me lots of irrelevant hits
[01:16] <Seveas> nate, i think your error is not a bug but a misconfiguration
[01:16] <Amaranth> zxc: You enabled universe and nothing else?
[01:16] <Fast240Z> oh, no, thank you
[01:16] <Amaranth> zxc: ie, no non-ubuntu repositories
[01:16] <Seveas> nate, can you paste the output of apt-key list on a pastebin please
[01:16] <nate> pastebin?
[01:16] <zxc> amaranth, no how do I disable the others?
[01:16] <Seveas> http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net nate
[01:16] <Amaranth> nate: http://rafb.net/paste/
[01:17] <Amaranth> zxc: See the instructions I have you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:17] <lunitik> Amaranth: remind me to correct that... that line doesn't actually exist (the lines are seperated into supported and non-supported... with Universe being in it's own line)
[01:17] <Amaranth> zxc: You can use the synaptic method to disable repositories too.
[01:17] <theine> Fast240Z, I'll edit your menu.lst and post it in a minute
[01:17] <lunitik> zxc: you have added the nerim repository? (and are typing 'apt-get install w32codecs'?)
[01:17] <Fast240Z> oh, cool, thanks!
[01:18] <Fast240Z> theine: thanks!
[01:18] <Fast240Z> fast240Z: ...
[01:18] <Amaranth> lunitik: Yeah, it should be multiverse and universe on one line, not main, restricted, and universe
[01:18] <Fast240Z> oops, nm
[01:18] <Amaranth> lunitik: Want me to change it?
[01:18] <nate> ok
[01:18] <nate> http://rafb.net/paste/results/CwlFWx44.html
[01:18] <lunitik> zxc: you can find this repository at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ... although, what you want is available (via Rhythmbox) with the command 'apt-get isntall gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:19] <lunitik> zxc: after enabling universe correctly
[01:19] <Shufla> hello :)
[01:19] <Seveas> nate, that looks perfectly fine to me...
[01:19] <nate> mm-hmm
[01:19] <theine> Fast240Z, http://pastebin.com/270719
[01:19] <nate> I haven't changed any configuration since it was working
[01:19] <lunitik> Amaranth: sure, I'm too drunk to be changing official info... the should be the same other than 'main restricted' ...
[01:19] <Seveas> odd
[01:19] <nate> just installed a DVD-RW drive and rebooted
[01:20] <Fast240Z> theine: thanks a whole hell of a lot, that just settled a huge ass problem I was having
[01:20] <Seveas> nate, can you apt-get update again?
[01:20] <theine> Fast240Z, I suggest you don't copy and paste that but rather edit /boot/grub/menu.lst in place and do the modifications according to what i pasted
[01:20] <Fast240Z> ah, I see, okay
[01:20] <nate> same error
[01:20] <lunitik> Amaranth: I'm not sure 'multiverse' is official as it is not there by default... at least specify the line as defined by default, and tell people to change it to 'universe multiverse'
[01:21] <fsapo> morning :)
[01:21] <BSDNoob> what have i to do, to get more packages in the portage? I want to add software like eclipse with apt-get install and keep it update with apt-get upt-dist
[01:21] <Amaranth> lunitik: Oh, I don't know what is there by default.
[01:21] <fsapo> i m with no sound in my firefox flash plugin.. any tips to make it work?
[01:21] <Amaranth> my changes didn't go through anyway, for some reasn
[01:21] <lunitik> Amaranth: by default, it states '# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe' for that line
[01:21] <Fast240Z> my buddy was telling me about making synaptic package manager display some restricted files, so I added the other repositories as listed in the ubuntuguide tutorial, and it gave me multiverse and universe packages, is that what he was referring to?
[01:21] <kbrooks> lunitik, multivrse is official. end of story
[01:22] <kbrooks> multiverse
[01:22] <lunitik> Amaranth: specify that where it says 'change this:
[01:22] <niskin> how to configure Grub to have windows the default OS
[01:22] <Seveas> nate, and if you change nz.arche to just archive?
[01:22] <theine> Fast240Z, probably
[01:22] <Amaranth> lunitik: I can't, I just tried editting and it ignored my edits.
[01:22] <tle> heyhey ppl
[01:22] <lunitik> kbrooks: my point is, after installation, it is not there, it only specifies 'universe' in said line... so they are changing that to what Amaranth is going to advice they change it to
[01:23] <tle> does anyone here remember the link
[01:23] <Fast240Z> that's what I had thought, it allowed me to access some things that weren't on there before
[01:23] <kbrooks> Amaranth, apt-get update
[01:23] <lunitik> Amaranth: bah... hold on
[01:23] <tle> to grab the J2SDK debian??
[01:23] <Fast240Z> now just to tackle this grub issue
[01:23] <tle> to grab the J2SDK debian version??
[01:23] <Amaranth> kbrooks: I'm not a newb. :P I'm talking about the wiki.
[01:23] <fsapo> please anyone could help me with my firefox flash plugin?
[01:23] <tle> anyone remember the website to grab the J2SDK DEB version??
[01:23] <zxc> lunitik, when totem gets the codecs does it do it from a preselected server or the ones in your repository?
[01:23] <Seveas> tle, stop repeating please
[01:23] <lunitik> Amaranth: I forget the exact page.. what was it?
[01:23] <Amaranth> tle: I know the website that shows you how to build one.
[01:23] <tle> na
[01:23] <tle> nah
[01:23] <Amaranth> lunitik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:24] <kbrooks> :|
[01:24] <Amaranth> tle: Distributing a deb for java is illegal, afaik.
[01:24] <Seveas> tle, and i followed these instructions for java: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[01:24] <lunitik> zxc: Totem looks in /usr/lib/win32 for codecs... w32codecs installs codecs to there
[01:24] <tle> I remember there is a guy who work on Debian project
[01:24] <tle> make Java DEB
[01:24] <Seveas> Amaranth, it is for sun j2sdk
[01:24] <Seveas> there are blackdown debs
[01:24] <nate> it's happy now
[01:24] <nate> hmmmmmmm
[01:24] <Amaranth> Seveas: Those are old. :P
[01:24] <tle> nah
[01:24] <lunitik> Seveas: look on www.apt-get.org
[01:24] <Seveas> nate, that is too odd to be true but i believe you :)
[01:25] <tle> it must be Sun
[01:25] <Seveas> lunitik, why should i, i am not looking for anything :)
[01:25] <zxc> lunitik, anyway I can add this file manually from a site because my repositories can't find it?
[01:25] <Seveas> tle, and i followed these instructions for SUN java: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[01:25] <fsapo> :(
[01:25] <zxc> (as the non official ones are down)
[01:25] <Seveas> tle, these work like a charm
[01:26] <Amaranth> oh, that's right... i installed mplayer's w32codecs by hand...
[01:26] <pixelfairy> whats the script that adds restricted and installs codecs etc?
[01:26] <tle> Seveas: u know what? BIN way is not good way, b/c when u want to remove it, it takes many steps to do
[01:26] <pixelfairy> tring to search on the wiki for it
[01:26] <Seveas> tle, not in this case
[01:26] <Choubaka> you can just install sun-j2re1.5 from multiverse too, right?
[01:26] <nate> woohoo, applied Firefox update
[01:27] <Seveas> you can simple remove the /usr/local/j2sdk something tree
[01:27] <Amaranth> Seveas: Talking about generating a deb from the bin?
[01:27] <Nino> hello
[01:27] <nate> I am really liking this distro
[01:27] <Seveas> and apt-get remove the dummy packages
[01:27] <Nino> what advantages does ubuntu have in comparition to a normal debian?
[01:27] <Amaranth> Seveas: That's horrible.
[01:27] <Seveas> Amaranth, no, using equivs and dummy packages with sun j2sdk.bin
[01:27] <lunitik> Amaranth: looked to me like it took your changed... anyway, I changed what I specified (only universe in "Change this:") to be correct...
[01:27] <Choubaka> why do things the hard way? :/
[01:27] <Amaranth> Nino: up-to-date software and a good community
[01:28] <nate> I'd agree with that
[01:28] <Choubaka> make-jpkg can convert sun .bins to .deb
[01:28] <Fast240Z> now it's time to test my grub menu
[01:28] <pixelfairy> and a nicer installer for end users
[01:28] <lunitik> Choubaka: Java is not in Universe... only sun-j2re1.5-debianfiles
[01:28] <Nino> Amaranth: isn't debian testing up to date?
[01:28] <Fast240Z> thanks for the help guys
[01:28] <Seveas> nino and 18 months support and a 6-month release cycle :)
[01:28] <nate> I've never really been friends with Debian but Ubuntu is drawing me in
[01:28] <Amaranth> tle, Seveas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:28] <Choubaka> lunitik: it's in multiverse.
[01:28] <fsapo> anyone could help me please?
[01:28] <theine> Fast240Z, be sure to double check your modifications to menu.lst
[01:28] <Amaranth> Nino: Not compared to hoary, no. :)
[01:28] <Choubaka> :)
[01:28] <theine> oh well...
[01:28] <Amaranth> Nino: Ubuntu has GNOME 2.10, xorg, KDE 3.4, and everything that does with them.
[01:28] <Nino> Amaranth: but maybe a few weeks later?
[01:29] <lunitik> Choubaka: the Debian files just defines where to actually place things like the mozilla plugin... nothing useful considering we use firefox
[01:29] <Amaranth> s/does/goes/
[01:29] <lunitik> Choubaka: that is what I meant
[01:29] <Choubaka> Nino: plus, Ubuntu just works.
[01:29] <Amaranth> aye, that too
[01:29] <nate> also a lot of things seem to be configured 'just right' out of the box with Ubuntu
[01:29] <nate> heh
[01:29] <Seveas> :)
[01:29] <Choubaka> lunitik: sun-j2re1.5 - Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsystems(TM)
[01:29] <Amaranth> As in put in the install CD, spend 5 minutes choosing options, wait 20 minutes, you have a completely usable desktop.
[01:29] <Choubaka> that's  there.
[01:30] <Choubaka> just install it?
[01:30] <rod> hi
[01:30] <Seveas> Amaranth, 5 minutes???
[01:30] <rod> im here to help you
[01:30] <Seveas> that much??
[01:30] <Seveas> ;)
[01:30] <zxc> can anyone pastbin there working repository file as I can't get the codecs from the servers I've found (and the one at ubuntuguide).
[01:30] <Amaranth> Seveas: If you read everything and customize your partition setup, sure.
[01:30] <Choubaka> AND ubuntu has XFCE 4.2
[01:30] <nate> hmm
[01:30] <Choubaka> Which sarge doesn't
[01:30] <Amaranth> zxc: I don't know of any repository with w32codecs.
[01:30] <Seveas> Amaranth, ok, with partiotioning included it takes that
[01:31] <Choubaka> w32codecs is in multiverse as well :|
[01:31] <nate> does XFCE work with D-BUS?
[01:31] <theine> Amaranth, marillat's repository
[01:31] <Seveas> zxc, marillat has them
[01:31] <rod> zxc, check the mplayer website, you can download the codec pack there
[01:31] <theine> Choubaka, is it???
[01:31] <Choubaka> yes?
[01:31] <Amaranth> Choubaka: Are you sure? It's not showing up here.
[01:31] <Nino> Amaranth: doesn't just work for me ;) anyway, what x and kde comes with debian?
[01:31] <fsapo> so... anyone could help me here please? i got no sound with flash player :(
[01:31] <lunitik> Choubaka: umm... yeah... thats not the full Java package... thats just Debian specific stuff
[01:31] <rod> neither here Amaranth
[01:31] <Choubaka> ahh
[01:31] <lunitik> Choubaka: it is illegal to distribute Java yourself
[01:31] <Choubaka> waits
[01:31] <Seveas> neither here :)
[01:31] <Amaranth> Nino: X in Debian is still XFree86 from before the fork and KDE 3.3, iirc. Might be 3.2
[01:31] <Choubaka> it's in hoary extras after all
[01:32] <Choubaka> sorry, got mixed
[01:32] <nate> what versions are in Sid?
[01:32] <Seveas> Choubaka, that's backports
[01:32] <lunitik> Choubaka: Ubuntu provides the packages to make a java .deb, but nothing else
[01:32] <Choubaka> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[01:32] <Amaranth> nate: Same, afaik.
[01:32] <Seveas> backports are icky imho :)
[01:32] <rod> can u use that w32codecs pack together with gstreamer for totem? i always install totem -xine first
[01:32] <Choubaka> Seveas: they're better than using marillats repo
[01:32] <rOss^32> akito@tinman:~$ glxgears
[01:32] <rOss^32> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:32] <rOss^32> 835 frames in 5.0 seconds = 167.000 FPS
[01:32] <rOss^32>  <-- what did i do ? it was working fine till i added ati drivers
[01:32] <Amaranth> nate: Big things like that can't get into sid because they will eventually move to testing and break everything.
[01:32] <Choubaka> marillat's*
[01:32] <Seveas> rod, if you want mp3's in totem with gstreamer, install gstreamer0.9-ma
[01:32] <Seveas> rod, if you want mp3's in totem with gstreamer, install gstreamer0.9-mad
[01:33] <lunitik> Seveas: seriously... they are packages that are build against things they don't recommend... what could be clean about that?   :p
[01:33] <rod> Seveas, yeah i know that
[01:33] <Nino> Amaranth: yesterday I had the problem that xorg did not detect my monitor (had to edit by hand) now it doesn't offer an option in KDE Control Center to switch sound to my second soundcard... :/
[01:33] <jdub> rod: gstreamer doesn't have a dll loader
[01:33] <Amaranth> rod: If you want every gstreamer plugin under the sun so you know you can play things, get gstreamer-plugins. :)
[01:33] <rod> jdub, ah alright
[01:33] <Amaranth> Nino: Was your monitor on when X started?
[01:34] <nate> now, if I could only get my case front USB port working.... pity that doesn't seem to be a software problem
[01:34] <Nino> Amaranth: sure... i posted the bug to bugzilla...
[01:34] <zxc> rod, once I've downloaded the "essential codecs" from the mplayer website how do I install them?
[01:34] <Fast240Z> theine: thanks, that fixed my grub bootloader
[01:34] <lunitik> rod: no...no, gstreamer knows nothing about w32codecs ... if you install 'totem-xine' it works like a charm though, and doesn't effect anything else on your system
[01:34] <Amaranth> Nino: Ah, nothing I can do there then. :)
[01:34] <Choubaka> zxc: you should get the w32codecs package
[01:34] <nate> btw, is the wine in universe any good at playing games?
[01:34] <Amaranth> nate: It doesn't have directx support.
[01:34] <nate> ah
[01:34] <Choubaka> It does.
[01:34] <nate> so Cedega it is
[01:35] <zxc> choubaka, it doesn't say that on the mplayer download section :/
[01:35] <Amaranth> nate: Well, it has almost passable support for some old version. :)
[01:35] <Choubaka> But not perfect.
[01:35] <Nino> Amaranth: and with this sound card selection?
[01:35] <Choubaka> zxc: use the repo I pasted
[01:35] <Choubaka> it has java and w32codecs and goodies.
[01:35] <Amaranth> Someone is working on WINE DX 9 support, I saw it on sourceforge, I think.
[01:35] <Amaranth> Nino: No clue.
[01:35] <Amaranth> Nino: Get rid of the other soundcard. :P
[01:35] <lunitik> rod: gstreamer supports ffmpeg, which is an incomplete set of reverse engineered codecs (worse performance etc)
[01:35] <jfk303> can anyone point me in the direction of a nice network setup tutorial? Ie connecting to a windows workgroup / sharing files etc. Something maybe distribution unconnected, steps you can take on any distro??
[01:35] <Seveas> nate, if you want WINE, use debs from winehq.org
[01:36] <zxc> choubaka, where did you paste it
[01:36] <Nino> (K)ubuntu get's it's package only from harddisk. where can i enter a mirror in internet to look for updates and receive them???
[01:36] <Amaranth> Seveas: Bad idea.
[01:36] <Seveas> Amaranth, why?
[01:36] <Nino> Amaranth: it's onboard
[01:36] <zxc> choubaka, is " deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" it?
[01:36] <Seveas> wine in debian/ubuntu is hopelessly old
[01:36] <Seveas> (last time i checked)
[01:36] <Amaranth> Nino: Disable it in the BIOS or blacklist it in hotplug.
[01:36] <nate> Seveas: they're fresher than universe I presume?
[01:37] <Seveas> nate, last time i checked they were much newer
[01:37] <lunitik> Seveas: actaully, the person that is listed on winehq.org for .debs is a Debian Developer... during development, the Ubuntu archives are as up to date as is listed there
[01:37] <Amaranth> Seveas: 20050310 is too old?
[01:37] <Nino> Amaranth: both are detected. i want ubuntu to let me choose the soundcard
[01:37] <Seveas> Amaranth, hmmm
[01:37] <Seveas> then last time i checked is too long ago
[01:37] <Nino> Amaranth: both are detected. i want ubuntu to let me choose the soundcard
[01:37] <Nino> (K)ubuntu get's it's package only from harddisk. where can i enter a mirror in internet to look for updates and receive them???
[01:37] <Amaranth> Seveas: Last time you checked must have been warty. :P
[01:37] <Seveas> nate, forget my advisw please
[01:37] <lunitik> Amaranth: there has been at least two 'releases' since march that I know of
[01:37] <Amaranth> Nino: I saw and I told you I don't know.
[01:38] <Seveas> Amaranth, could very well be possible
[01:38] <Choubaka> http://www.oliverthered.f2s.com/projects/wine/index.html
[01:38] <Amaranth> Nino: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, just like in Debian.
[01:38] <Nino> Amaranth: sorry, wrong time ENTER
[01:38] <Nino> Amaranth: and enter what ?
[01:39] <Amaranth> Nino: Oh, you've never actually used Debian?
[01:39] <Fast240Z> hey all, one more lame question: does anyone know how to change the look and feel of the gnome taskbar?  I don't like the way it looks, and would like to edit it by installing different themes and such
[01:39] <nate> looks like it's not getting past the Installshield load screen
[01:39] <Amaranth> nate: If it uses DX 8 or 9 you're already SOL.
[01:39] <Nino> Amaranth: i have. but i need the source
[01:39] <nate> not terribly surprising
[01:39] <nate> mm
[01:39] <Nino> Amaranth: you know, it will ask me for the mirror
[01:39] <Choubaka> it runs HL2 o_O
[01:39] <thenuke> My p133 lags like hell, the cpu is running sllllloooower than it should, first it is OK and after sometime starts to sllloooow down.. hummh, I wonder if hoary has something to do with this or my bios or something..
[01:39] <Amaranth> Nino: PM?
[01:41] <Nino> yet another question, can I install ubuntu from a debian businesscard CD image installer?
[01:41] <Amaranth> No, you'll get Debian.
[01:42] <Choubaka> Yes you can.
[01:42] <Choubaka> But it takes some tricks.
[01:42] <Amaranth> Choubaka: Non-supported by anyone sane. :P
[01:42] <Choubaka> I know.
[01:42] <Choubaka> But I've done it.
[01:42] <Choubaka> First, you install Debian Woody _BASE_ system only.
[01:42] <Amaranth> If you do it right it'll completely wipe the Debian system and replace it while it's running. :)
[01:42] <Choubaka> you interrupt base-install.
[01:43] <Choubaka> then, you change sources to hoary, and do a dist-upgrade
[01:43] <Nino> Choubaka: in fact it already fails to install debian testing :/ it is a 1 year old beta of sarge... but i have no cds left i could burn an iso on :/ and teh shop isthat far away :/
[01:43] <Choubaka> then you install aptitude
[01:43] <zxc> choubaka, http://www.pastebin.com/270726 is what happens when I try to get w32codecs from your link
[01:43] <Choubaka> then you run base-install
[01:43] <aqualuk> hi
[01:43] <rod> hi aqualuk
[01:43] <aqualuk> is hier nen deutscher der mir beim mounten helfen kann (will)
[01:43] <Choubaka> and it'll install ubuntu
[01:44] <rod> hallo olli aqualuk
[01:44] <aqualuk> bin ein totaler noob in sachen linux
[01:44] <Choubaka> English, please.
[01:44] <rod> google aqualuk
[01:44] <Amaranth> rod: What language is that?
[01:44] <rod> german
[01:44] <aqualuk> bei google find ich nichts
[01:44] <Amaranth> rod, aqualuk: #ubuntu-de, please
[01:44] <rod> im NOT a german btw, i repeat IM NOT A GERMAN GUYS
[01:44] <aqualuk> ok
[01:44] <rod> (lol)
[01:44] <Choubaka> It's german :p
[01:44] <Seveas> aqualuk, man spricht hier englisch, #ubuntu-de ist fuer deutschsprachiger hilfe
[01:44] <aqualuk> jo habs gemerkt
[01:44] <rod> jaja sehr gut Seveas  :)
[01:44] <aqualuk> bye
[01:45] <Choubaka> And I even understand what they're saying. :p
[01:45] <rod> geldern ist toll
[01:45] <Choubaka> Even though I can't speak a word of german myself.
[01:45] <Seveas> rod, please, stick to english :)
[01:45] <Fast240Z> god, I can't stand the way that gnome's taskbar looks, anyone know how to change the system fonts and such?
[01:45] <Burgundavia> rod, you might want to try #ubuntu-nl
[01:45] <rod> jawohl!! : )
[01:45] <Amaranth> One thing I like about German, they don't overuse spaces. :)
[01:45] <Nino> Oachkatzlschwoaf
[01:45] <zxc> choubaka, how do I get the w32 codecs from your website :'(
[01:45] <Amaranth> It's like spaces are money, can't waste them on useless things.
[01:45] <theine> Fast240Z, did it work out?
[01:45] <Seveas> Burgundavia, nl != german
[01:45] <Choubaka> zxc: did you run apt-get update? :p
[01:45] <Seveas> nl = dutch
[01:45] <Amaranth> "deutschsprachiger", for example :)
[01:45] <theine> Fast240Z, the boot menu stuff i mean...
[01:46] <Burgundavia> Seveas, (~rod@cp233117-a.venlo1.lb.home.nl):
[01:46] <Choubaka> Amaranth: that's not even bad.
[01:46] <Fast240Z> theine: worked just fine, I didn't boot into windows, but it was the default os, thanks a whole hell of a lot, that was confusing me like no tomorrow
[01:46] <Seveas> Burgundavia, ah :)
[01:46] <rod> c'est moi Burgundavia
[01:46] <Amaranth> Choubaka: Yeah, I've seen worse.
[01:46] <plitex> hi
[01:46] <rod> heya plitex
[01:46] <Seveas> rod, tu parles francais aussi?
[01:46] <theine> Fast240Z, glad i could help you out
[01:46] <Amaranth> Guys, please.
[01:46] <zxc> choubaka, what's the command to run apt-get update?
[01:46] <Choubaka> Amaranth: Get this: Kumarreksituleskenteleentuvaisehkollaismaisekkuudellisenneskenleluttelemattomammuuksissansakaankopahan
[01:46] <rod> Seveas, lol of course
[01:46] <Amaranth> Choubaka: You made that up.
[01:46] <Choubaka> zxc: apt-get update
[01:46] <Fast240Z> theine: yeah, I'm glad you did too, got rid of my questions, thanks again!
[01:47] <Seveas> Choubaka, is that finnish?
[01:47] <Choubaka> Yes
[01:47] <Seveas> :)
[01:47] <Seveas> wtf does it mean??
[01:47] <Choubaka> It's the longest _non-compound_ word possible in Finnish
[01:47] <rod> yo soy rodi, como te llamas ?:)
[01:47] <Choubaka> Seveas: I don't really know.
[01:47] <Amaranth> Choubaka: yikes
[01:47] <Seveas> haha
[01:47] <Amaranth> antidisestablishmentarism
[01:47] <Amaranth> That's the only long word I know in English.
[01:47] <zxc> choubaka, Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:47] <zxc> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:47] <zxc> is only available from another source
[01:47] <zxc> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[01:48] <Choubaka> something to do with not  having the quality of being made to bow
[01:48] <gaio> anyone with ati radeon 9100 ?
[01:48] <Seveas> hottentottensoldatententententoonstelling
[01:48] <thenuke> Choubaka: A bit hard to translate that sentence in to english
[01:48] <Fast240Z> I have a radeon 9000
[01:48] <rod> burp
[01:48] <Fast240Z> don't know if that helps
[01:48] <rod> 'xuse me
[01:48] <Seveas> that's a famous long dutch one
[01:48] <gaio> Fast240Z, i think it's quite similar
[01:48] <rod> a famous dutch one?
[01:48] <Choubaka> isn't that a compound?
[01:48] <Fast240Z> probably is
[01:48] <Seveas> Choubaka, quite
[01:48] <gaio> Fast240Z, can u help me to install drivers?
[01:49] <rod> ah, didnt see that one Seveas
[01:49] <Amaranth> gaio: Ubuntu comes with drivers for it.
[01:49] <Choubaka> Well, if compounds are allowed, I can give you some real-world examples: lentokoneapumekaanikko-oppilas.
[01:49] <rod> what does that mean?
[01:49] <Fast240Z> gaio: I probably couldn't help you, I'm a n00b myself, but I do know that ubuntu comes with drivers for it, I didn't have to do shit to set my card up, and all other distros of linux I've tried hated my ati card
[01:49] <Amaranth> gaio: There are open source drivers for radeon cards below the 9250, if you're seeing a GUI you should be using it.
[01:50] <Choubaka> rod: assistant aeroplane mechanic student.
[01:50] <Fast240Z> excuse my language
[01:50] <Choubaka> or something.
[01:50] <rod> heh alright Choubaka
[01:50] <zxc> choubaka, it can't find w32 on the website you gave me
[01:50] <Choubaka> zxc: weird.
[01:50] <zxc> I've run apt-get
[01:50] <rod> zxc, on the mplayer website?
[01:50] <Amaranth> zxc: What file are you trying to play?
[01:50] <gaio> Amaranth, Fast240Z , tnx ;)
[01:50] <zxc> mpeg, .mp3....normal stuff
[01:50] <rod> zxc, apt-get install totem-xine
[01:50] <Choubaka> are you sure it's correctly in the sources list?
[01:50] <Amaranth> zxc: You don't nee w32codecs for that.
[01:51] <rod> true
[01:51] <Choubaka> and did you run apt-get update with sudo?
[01:51] <zxc> I'm pretty sure because it updated it
[01:51] <zxc> yes
[01:51] <theine> zxc, could you paste your sources.list in #flood
[01:51] <Amaranth> zxc: Enable universe, install gstreamer-plugins, use totem-gstreamer (the default totem) to play movies and rhythmbox to listen to mp3s
[01:51] <Fast240Z> gaio: ati does offer binary files for our cards, but if your gui is working, I wouldn't mess with perfection
[01:52] <Fast240Z> thanks again for all of your help guys, I'm out
[01:53] <zxc> theine, posted in flood
[01:54] <zxc> amaranth, when I play the mpeg it just black and plays, so I'm assuming this is the codec?
[01:54] <Amaranth> zxc: Did you install gstreamer-plugins?
[01:54] <zxc> amarant, yes
[01:54] <theine> zxc, looks good
[01:54] <Amaranth> Ok, screw all this BS with inferior players, get vlc.
[01:55] <zxc> how? :/
[01:55] <Amaranth> If vlc won't play it it won't play on Linux. :)
[01:55] <theine> zxc, and after apt-get update you're still not able to install w32codecs?
[01:55] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install vlc
[01:55] <Hmmmm> Amaranth, vlc is truly a great player
[01:55] <Choubaka> vlc is ugly.
[01:55] <Choubaka> :(
[01:55] <Hmmmm> but I've had issues with it too
[01:55] <nate> actually, it's here I guess. What I actually want is videos in Theora format
[01:55] <Hmmmm> Choubaka, vlc might be ugly, but it serves the purpose
[01:55] <zxc> ok installing vlc
[01:55] <Amaranth> Choubaka: Now that WxWidgets uses GTK2 it looks pretty nice.
[01:56] <zxc|afk> gonna eat
[01:56] <Hmmmm> best thing about vlc is u dont need to install any codecs
[01:56] <Hmmmm> "apt-get install vlc"
[01:56] <theine> Hmmmm, is that so?
[01:56] <Hmmmm> and that it
[01:56] <fatalblu_> vlc mozilla plugin?
[01:56] <Hmmmm> theine, yes it is so
[01:56] <Amaranth> besides, if you're watching a movie you're watching the movie, not looking at the controls
[01:56] <Hmmmm> theine, have you tried vlc?
[01:56] <Choubaka> I can't believe I'm actually installing Windows on qemu to run one app :p
[01:56] <theine> Hmmmm, yes, but i figured it also uses w32codecs that were already installed...
[01:57] <Hmmmm> Choubaka, what dyu wana install?
[01:57] <theine> Hmmmm, guess I was wrong...
[01:57] <fatalblu_> (since yall are on a vlc kick)
[01:57] <Choubaka> Winny.
[01:57] <Hmmmm> theine, u were
[01:57] <Hmmmm> i couldnt install the codecs on my box coz my repository was down
[01:57] <Hmmmm> so i installed vlc
[01:57] <Hmmmm> and what dyu know
[01:57] <Hmmmm> she works like a charm
[01:57] <Amaranth> :D
[01:57] <theine> Hmmmm, nice
[01:57] <Hmmmm> :)
[01:57] <Hmmmm> Choubaka, what app dyu need to install for which u need windoze?
[01:58] <Amaranth> So I was kinda forced to use vlc, now I like it. :)
[01:58] <Choubaka> Hmmmm: Winny :p
[01:58] <Amaranth> Hmmmm: Could you repeat that in English? :)
[01:58] <Choubaka> I could probably make it work on Wine.
[01:59] <Choubaka> But that's huge work, and I can't read the japanese tutorials. p
[01:59] <Choubaka> Not very well, at least.
[01:59] <theine> Hmmmm, you don't happen to know how to get fullscreen without the gnome panels in vlc, do you?
[01:59] <Amaranth> theine: um, fullscreen?
[01:59] <Hmmmm> Amaranth, what in english?
[02:00] <Hmmmm> Choubaka, try codeweaver crossover office if wine dont work
[02:00] <Hmmmm> theine, "f"
[02:00] <Amaranth> Choubaka: You're install qemu to run what is probably a pirated version of Windows to run a Japanese P2P program so you can illegally download things? :)
[02:00] <Hmmmm> and i mean hit the key "f" for full screen
[02:00] <kbrooks> is there a java jre packge in ubuntu
[02:01] <Hmmmm> kbrooks, no there isnt
[02:01] <theine> Hmmm, yes, i know, but the gnome panels still appear on top of the video if i do that
[02:01] <Choubaka> Amaranth: it's a legal Win XP Home.
[02:01] <Amaranth> kbrooks: You can build your own.
[02:01] <Hmmmm> kbrooks, go to ubuntuguide.org and se how its done
[02:01] <kbrooks> how?
[02:01] <Choubaka> and I want my anime non-translated. :/
[02:01] <Hmmmm> ubuntuguide.org/#java might be more accurate
[02:02] <Amaranth> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java <--see method 2
[02:02] <Choubaka> And downloading anime isn't illegal anyway.
[02:02] <Choubaka> Not where I live.
[02:02] <theine> Hmmmm, you don't have that problem I guess?
[02:02] <Amaranth> Choubaka: Where is that?
[02:02] <Hmmmm> i dont have that problem, no
[02:03] <Seveas> finland i guess
[02:03] <Choubaka> Yeah. :p
[02:03] <Seveas> :)
[02:03] <Choubaka> It's not illegal yet, at least.
[02:03] <Choubaka> nor is downloading music.
[02:03] <theine> Hmmmm, hmmm
[02:03] <Hmmmm> i like finland
[02:03] <Hmmmm> i like india better
[02:04] <Amaranth> Choubaka: finland isn't a part of the EU?
[02:04] <Hmmmm> out here we get legal ocmputer books for 10% that it costs in the US/EU
[02:04] <jacopo_> hi, is it possible to integrate the thunderbird calendar with the ubuntu applet?
[02:04] <Amaranth> Hmmmm: The US dollar is so screwed right now that doesn't surprise me.
[02:04] <Choubaka> Amaranth: it is.
[02:04] <Seveas> jacopo_, the ubuntu applet is the evolution calendar
[02:05] <Amaranth> Choubaka: I thought they all had a unified law on that kind of stuff.
[02:05] <Hmmmm> its not the dollar
[02:05] <Choubaka> it's a directive.
[02:05] <Hmmmm> its the Easter Economy Edition
[02:05] <Hmmmm> EEE
[02:05] <Choubaka> Finland hasn't yet ratified a law based on the directive.
[02:05] <Hmmmm> btw guys, i just got my new amd64 box
[02:05] <Hmmmm> and i tried installing hoary RC on it
[02:05] <Hmmmm> but it wont detect the network card
[02:06] <Choubaka> Besides, no-one minds if people download anime. )
[02:06] <Hmmmm> its an onboard NIC:- Realtek rtl 8201CL
[02:06] <Hmmmm> the board is an ASUS K8S MX
[02:06] <engie> Should I have python2.3 installed with hoary?
[02:06] <Hmmmm> anyone got any idea how i can get it working?
[02:06] <Amaranth> Choubaka: Ah, just like jlj's work is legal in Norway because they don't have the EUCD yet.
[02:07] <jacopo_> Seveas, i link the calendar of thunderbird with the calendar of evo.. but i have to restart all evo to see the chages in the clock applet.. is it possible to do it autmaticaly?
[02:07] <Seveas> jacopo_, no idea, sorry
[02:07] <queuetue> Any American in here who have done consulting in India
[02:07] <queuetue> ?
[02:07] <queuetue> I'm curious what the experience is like (just got an offer.)
[02:08] <linuxg0d> queuetue, u from usa
[02:08] <linuxg0d> ?
[02:08] <queuetue> linuxboy, I am, yes.
[02:08] <queuetue> linuxg0d, That was meant for you.
[02:08] <linuxboy> queuetue: :)
[02:08] <linuxg0d> :)
[02:08] <queuetue> linuxboy, You go back to sleep! :)
[02:09] <linuxg0d> so u cannot set in india or such countries
[02:09] <queuetue> linuxg0d, What do you mean, 'cannot'?
[02:09] <linuxg0d> ok bro
[02:09] <linuxg0d> sorry for eng
[02:09] <linuxg0d> i mean way of living in india
[02:11] <Hmmmm> wat about way of living in india?
[02:11] <queuetue> linuxg0d, I'm sorry; are you saying I could not live the way you do in India?  I'm not trying to live there - just do a 4-day job. :)  I was wondering how much tim to plan for travel. acclimation, etc.
[02:11] <jakob> h<allo
[02:11] <queuetue> And how prevalent english is, snce I certainly don't speak a dialect of hindi or anything similar.
[02:12] <jakob> i come from sweden
[02:12] <Hmmmm> queuetue, when u coming to india?
[02:12] <kbrooks> here i come, jython!
[02:12] <rOss^32> hej! jakob
[02:12] <rOss^32> thats all the swedish i know :|
[02:12] <queuetue> Hmmmm, It will be in a few months, at the earliest...  is thre a "good time" and a "bad time"? ;)
[02:13] <Hmmmm> drop me a line when u come
[02:13] <Seveas> queuetue, monsoon[sic?]  season might not be the best time depending on where in india you stay
[02:14] <jakob> never
[02:14] <jakob> oobsa.
[02:14] <jakob> noobs.
[02:14] <queuetue> Hmmmm, Well, if we're still both hanging around in here, possibly, but ... how do you know you will be in the same part of the country as me :)
[02:15] <engie> Hi. The ubuntuguide sais there are some codecs available in w32codecs, but I can't apt-get install this (with universe, multiverse enabled) - is this an error on the guide, or my machine?
[02:15] <Seveas> engie, w32codecs is only in marillat
[02:15] <Hmmmm> i know my way around this country
[02:15] <jacquesmerde> anyone here have a usb midi controller?
[02:15] <jakob> your all nobbs.
[02:15] <engie> Ahh, thanks Seveas
[02:15] <Seveas> engie: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main (use testing main for Warty)
[02:15] <Hmmmm> i can advice u on what do to do where
[02:15] <Hmmmm> and stuff like that
[02:15] <jakob> how big is the size of you\r Dick
[02:15] <Seveas> jakob, cut it out or leave
[02:15] <Hmmmm> coz i had some german and finnish friends who came over last week
[02:16] <engie> Seveas: Is it safe to add that to hoary's sources.list?
[02:16] <Hmmmm> i showed them around and arranged for them to see much of my beautiful cuontry
[02:16] <Seveas> jakob, read the code of conduct before chatting here please
[02:16] <Hmmmm> * country
[02:16] <jakob> How Big.!
[02:16] <Seveas> engie, it is
[02:17] <linuxg0d> who win
[02:17] <linuxg0d> ?
[02:17] <queuetue> Hmmmm, I don't want to drag the channel too far offtopic (again), I was just asking. :)
[02:18] <linuxg0d> :)
[02:18] <Seveas> :)
[02:18] <Hmmmm> queuetue, thats why i opened a P2P chat with u to talk about it directly
[02:18] <zxc> what do I need to put in options to make a partition writable?
[02:18] <zxc> in fstab
[02:18] <Seveas> zxc, nothing special
[02:18] <Seveas> just don't put ro in it
[02:18] <scizzo> zxc: what filesystem?
[02:19] <zxc> fat32
[02:19] <scizzo> Seveas: ro = read only
[02:19] <Seveas> and don't use NTFS, that'll never be writable (on current ubuntu systems)
[02:19] <Seveas> scizzo, that's why i said: don't put ro in it
[02:19] <zxc> seveas, yeah that's why I created a fat32 /share partition
[02:19] <scizzo> zxc: change the umask
[02:19] <Seveas> zxc, this works for me:
[02:19] <scizzo> zxc: or something
[02:20] <Seveas> /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0033 0 0
[02:20] <zxc> dennis, is that a linux thing?
[02:20] <Seveas> that way user 'dennis' will own all files and all files are writeable only by that user
[02:20] <Seveas> no, dennis is my username
[02:20] <zxc> lol, so I'll change it to mine
[02:20] <Seveas> substitute that with yours ofcourse :)
[02:20] <zxc> heh
[02:22] <Seveas> zxc, i just noticed an error in that line
[02:22] <Seveas> it should say dmask=0022 instead of 0033
[02:22] <Seveas> that way other users can traverse the directries on that disk
[02:24] <CyberSDF> Salut les gens !
[02:24] <cens0red> lo
[02:24] <CyberSDF> Dites, je n'arrive pas  lire les srteam de F3, quelqu'un les a ou c'est ma config qui merdoie ?
[02:24] <cens0red> is there a page anywhere, describing the install process for Hoary in detail?
[02:24] <Seveas> CyberSDF, pleae, use english!
[02:25] <Seveas> CyberSDF, #ubuntu-fr is for french
[02:25] <BlackLabel> whats java programming like on linux (command line programs only)
[02:25] <cens0red> I've looked on both ubuntulinux.org and ubuntuguide.org.
[02:25] <CyberSDF> Seveas, sorry, i thin i was on ubuntu-fr :)
[02:25] <queuetue> CyberSDF, You may have better luck in #ubuntu-fr - my translation skills are terrible. :)
[02:25] <queuetue> And my lag appears to be atrocious.
[02:26] <QU> whats the meaning of that audit: messages in dmesg output?
[02:26] <cens0red> can I just tell the installer to install on hda2? And leave every other partition alone?
[02:27] <Seveas> cens0red, sure
[02:27] <cens0red> Seveas cool.
[02:27] <cens0red> nothing to worry about then.
[02:28] <cens0red> cool bananas infact.
[02:29] <QU> whats the meaning of that audit: messages in dmesg output?
[02:34] <engie> Are there any prominant desktop changing applets / apps for gnome? If there's nothing to big out there I'm planning to try and write an applet which cycles through wallpapers: either from a list or from an rss feed of images.
[02:35] <rj_> I have a small problem, whenever i'am asked to enter a password (ie: logging into gdm) where it would normally mask my entry with astriks ( ***** ) instead there are white blocks
[02:35] <rj_> i'am still able to log in, but the white blocks just look funky
[02:35] <cikilin> hello
[02:35] <Seveas> rj_, looks like a locale/font problem to me
[02:35] <rj_> its not only GDM, it appears throughout gnome on all gtk interfaces.
[02:36] <Seveas> have you recently switched locale?
[02:36] <rj_> Seveas: no, i belive i'am using UTF-8
[02:36] <Seveas> hmm, than /me shuts up again
[02:36] <cikilin> is any way,tweak to make mozilla be faster ?
[02:36] <zxc> and how do remount everything after applying the mount changes seveas?
[02:36] <kev0r> how do I quit VI with save?
[02:37] <zxc> cikilin, firefox?
[02:37] <queuetue> keffo, esc :wq
[02:37] <Seveas> zxc, just sudo umount/dev/your_fat_drive
[02:37] <queuetue> kev0r, That was for you.
[02:37] <Seveas> and then sudo mount -a
[02:37] <keffo> oh
[02:37] <cens0red> I've got the hoary iso. Does it come with all the documentation?
[02:37] <keffo> ;P
[02:37] <queuetue> keffo, Now, you go back to sleep.:)
[02:37] <keffo> thanks
[02:37] <keffo> ;P
[02:37] <keffo> *zzz*
[02:38] <cikilin> zxc: if i put a proxy it does not work at all
[02:39] <djp> anyone here use bashpodder?
[02:39] <userr> quick questions... I have a laptop with a 400mhz p2 and 48mb ram, what gui linux release would you suggest?
[02:40] <Seveas> ubuntu with xfce or icewm (the latter is not out yet)
[02:40] <userr> does xfce support icons?
[02:40] <Jesterace> fluxbox or blackbox would be another alternative
[02:40] <Jesterace> i used to run blackbox on a p133 with 32mb ram heh
[02:43] <userr> sorry.. isn't there a program to run to give you deskop icons in xfce
[02:43] <housetier> "rox -p default"
[02:43] <Jesterace> idesk would give you icons
[02:44] <userr> sweet... thanks a lot
[02:45] <mishof> in ubuntuguide.org they write "how to make firefox load sites faster" - what is the causes of doing the changes they describe there?
[02:46] <BlackLabel> what
[02:46] <mishof> BlackLabel, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefaster
[02:46] <BlackLabel> what about it
[02:47] <mishof> what are the effects of doing these changes?
[02:47] <rj_> d
[02:47] <keffo> hm. the "jpeg library" - whats the package name for that?
[02:48] <BlackLabel> instead of having just one pipe between the webserver, multiple pipes are opened so in theory you can download the web sites faster
[02:49] <Echylo> hm is it normal that I hadn't any updates since hoary was released?
[02:49] <BlackLabel> yep its normal
[02:50] <Echylo> btw why doesn't it mounts ntfs & fat32 disks automatic?
[02:50] <Echylo> it did in warty
[02:51] <tle> grr
[02:51] <kbrooks> Echylo, /etc/init.d/dbus start
[02:51] <tle> can some one here help me out?
[02:51] <kbrooks> erm restart
[02:51] <tle> my screen keeps at low 640x480
[02:51] <kbrooks> Echylo, -1
[02:51] <tle> and dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg won't help
[02:51] <kbrooks> add -1
[02:52] <kbrooks> /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[02:52] <Echylo> hmm, then it will auto mount them at restart too?
[02:53] <cmg_> any Python programmers here?
[02:54] <cmg_> any Python programmers here?
[02:54] <zxc> how do you check what kernel you are running?
[02:54] <Echylo> kbrooks is it a bug that it doesn't mounts them automaticaly?
[02:55] <Echylo> cmg_ #python
[02:55] <Echylo> uname -a zxc
[02:55] <Boogieman> hello
[02:55] <rOss^32> /exec -o uname -a will do it for you
[02:55] <rOss^32> Linux tinman 2.6.10-5-k7 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:56:05 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:56] <rOss^32> lag ..
[02:56] <Echylo> uname -a is enough in terminal ;)
[02:57] <zxc> how would I do this " sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 linux-headers-2.6.10" for an amd64 running the same kernel, or doesn't it matter?
[02:58] <Xeon3D> someone knows a CAD like program for Linux?
[02:58] <rOss^32> http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html <--
[02:59] <rOss^32> if you have cad it runs thru wine .. i believe
[02:59] <\sh> http://www.arcad.de/lxcad/products/arcad/index.html
[02:59] <\sh> i worked with this guy from arcad
[03:03] <kbrooks> ?
[03:05] <bwlang> Xeon3D: qcad
[03:06] <Nino> Is it possible to us the Ubuntu install CD and directly get all packages from network instead of geting data from CD?
[03:07] <jacquesmerde> hey, is it possible to apt-get a couple of smallish packages when running the live cd? how much ram would i need?
[03:12] <kbrooks> http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu
[03:14] <frank> jacquesmerde: you can install packages in the live cd
[03:14] <kbrooks> "A lot of technical gibberish is displayed when the computer starts up, and when it shuts down."
[03:14] <kbrooks> no, not a lot of technical gibberish is displayed
[03:14] <kbrooks> "A lot of technical gibberish is displayed when the computer starts up, and when it shuts down."
[03:14] <kbrooks> er
[03:15] <kbrooks> "The dialog for choosing a session similarly includes ?Last? without telling me which that was, and ?Default System Session? without telling me which that is. It also offers ?GNOME? and ?Failsafe Gnome?; failsafe behavior, apparently, is achieved partly by not SHOUTING."
[03:15] <kbrooks> So?
[03:15] <jacquesmerde> frank, i mean packages off the net, not off the cd itself...
[03:15] <kbrooks> GNOME <<< Is that shouting?
[03:15] <kbrooks> "Every day when I log in, I am presented not with the documents and Web pages that I had open when I logged out the day before, but with the documents and Web pages that I had open when I logged out on Monday March 7th."
[03:15] <kbrooks> Gr.
[03:16] <kbrooks> "When returning after locking the screen, the interface for logging in again is completely different from that for logging in normally, for no apparent reason."
[03:18] <zxc> when using " sudo nano /etc/modules"
[03:18] <zxc> how do you save what you add to /etc/modules
[03:18] <darkaudit> kbrooks: I read that last night... guy who gave me the link wanted to give a 5-minute talk about it at our next lug meeting...
[03:18] <Phagocytor> bonjour
[03:19] <darkaudit> I told him 5 minutes only if everyone else had to reserve comment until it was over... otherwise it could take an hour or more :)
[03:23] <Boogieman> bye
[03:24] <frank> jacquesmerede I know. I've installed stuff from the net while in the live cd
[03:25] <Dark3Lite> hey guys..
[03:25] <Dark3Lite> using a livecd on my nx5000 laptop
[03:26] <Dark3Lite> and it's not detecting the network card..
[03:26] <Dark3Lite> any assistance or advice..
[03:28] <Kimiko> I just added the breezy repositories. Does anyone know when development will continue there?
[03:28] <snowblink> kbrooks, darkaudit: He works for Canonical. I think it's a good thing he doesn't like things
[03:29] <kbrooks> ?
[03:29] <GarySaved> Kimiko, Did anything change?  I was thinking it would be better to switch now, before I have to do a massive download.
[03:29] <Kimiko> no, nothing new was found
[03:29] <kbrooks> darkaudit, guess what?
[03:30] <GarySaved> Has anyone else switched?
[03:30] <kbrooks> i'm officially pissed off with the review
[03:30] <kbrooks> i'm gonna write a review criticising it
[03:30] <Kimiko> which review?
[03:30] <snowblink> kbrooks, it isn't a review
[03:30] <malte`> that review is 80% right
[03:31] <kbrooks> snowblink, i know
[03:31] <kbrooks> malte`, irt's 20% wrong
[03:31] <kbrooks> its*
[03:31] <malte`> :D
[03:33] <Dr_Aevil> sig: yep
[03:34] <frank> what review are you talking about?
[03:35] <zxc_> anyone know how to setup a shortcut to a folder, when I try a launcher it doesn't work :/
[03:35] <dmouritsendk> da_bon_bon, can't u get some mate (who has more bandwidth) to download it for u?
[03:36] <\sh> da_bon_bon: order it from ubuntu ;)
[03:36] <Sp4rKy> anybody could say me how can i use many server with xchat
[03:36] <da_bon_bon> dmouritsendk: ya, i can, but if i tell him its linux, he will kick me on da ass ;)
[03:36] <da_bon_bon> \sh: and get it in june? :(
[03:36] <\sh> da_bon_bon: last time for warty i got my 2 weeks later
[03:36] <zxc_> sp4rky, click x-chat, new server tab
[03:37] <cens0red> I've got the hoary iso. Does it come with all the documentation?
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> \sh: i got mine warty on 29 december
[03:37] <\sh> da_bon_bon: uh..
[03:37] <cens0red> that is, if I install it ... will the all the documentation be installed with it?
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> \sh: ?
[03:38] <Sp4rKy> zxc_ thx
[03:38] <\sh> da_bon_bon: i got mine later ;)
[03:38] <Dr_Aevil> da_bon_bon: 2kbps?! :)
[03:38] <da_bon_bon> Dr_Aevil: yes. and it is "cable" net
[03:39] <Dr_Aevil> da_bon_bon: I suggest you move to carrier pigeon, it'd be much faster :)
[03:39] <da_bon_bon> Dr_Aevil: faster speed = more money which i wont have ;)
[03:39] <da_bon_bon> :(
[03:39] <cens0red> da_bon_bon try dealing crack.
[03:39] <Dr_Aevil> are you sure you mean 2kbps? I mean who would sell that?
[03:40] <maswan> Dr_Aevil: most dialup providers?
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> cens0red: try that in india. here, they prefer "desi daaru" ;)
[03:40] <cens0red> desi daaru?
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> Dr_Aevil: its supposed to be 32kbps, but download speed is only 2kbps
[03:41] <mishof> how can i install emacs?
[03:41] <krism> mishof : apt-get install emacs21
[03:41] <zxc_> anyone know how I can make icon shortcuts on the desktop?
[03:41] <fatalblu_> apt-get install clue
[03:41] <fatalblu_> erm
[03:41] <fatalblu_> nm
[03:42] <mishof> krism, thanks
[03:42] <Dr_Aevil> maswan: dialup of 2kbps? 56kbps would be the norm for the last 8 years or so
[03:42] <cens0red> fatalblu_ heh.
[03:42] <krism> np
[03:42] <Shufla> hello :D
[03:42] <krism> Dr_Aevil : difference between KBps and Kbps
[03:42] <krism> bits vs. bytes.
[03:42] <maswan> Dr_Aevil: oh. you count b as bits?
[03:43] <Dr_Aevil> maswan: yeah
[03:43] <Shufla> i've got little problem
[03:43] <Dr_Aevil> maswan: i'd say B for bytes normally
[03:43] <Shufla> hdc: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW TS-H552B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[03:43] <Dr_Aevil> krism: surely not? :P
[03:43] <maswan> Dr_Aevil: I'd spell out "bit" if I meant that.
[03:43] <Shufla> root@hardin:~ # hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc > /dev/null -> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[03:43] <Dr_Aevil> maswan: well kbps is pretty standard anywhere you look
[03:44] <cens0red> so I have the hoary iso.
[03:44] <maswan> Dr_Aevil: yes, but applications report that as bytes
[03:44] <cens0red> what should I read before slapping it in?
[03:44] <cens0red> will it write over my existing mandrake partition, like I want it to?
[03:44] <Dr_Aevil> maswan: we're not talking about what some applications might report, we're talking about what an ISP would sell it to him as
[03:45] <Xeon3D> is there another word (synonym) for Coffin?
[03:45] <Xeon3D> (totally offtopic)
[03:45] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: hmph, DMA support might not be on - are any of your drives in DMA mode?
[03:45] <Dr_Aevil> Xeon3D: casket?
[03:45] <zxc_> somebody must have figured out how to put shortcuts on the desktop >_<
[03:45] <GarySaved> That is weird.  When I switched to the breezy repositories, the listed repositories did not expand.
[03:45] <cens0red> Dr_Aevil well done! It was on the tip of my fingers.
[03:45] <Xeon3D> Dr_Aevil, not sure if that'll work.. I'm trying to find coffin pics on the net...
[03:46] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: huh. I've got SATA harddisk here, running on /dev/sda. :(
[03:46] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x9F0 ctl 0xBF2 bmdma 0xDC00 irq 22 , NFORCE3-250
[03:46] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: I have that trouble too.  I don't know what the stock default hoary kernel has turned on is the trouble.
[03:47] <Dr_Aevil> Xeon3D: http://images.google.com/images?q=casket&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
[03:47] <Dr_Aevil> lot of coffins there :)
[03:47] <GarySaved> Caskit ? (Another word)
[03:47] <Shufla> ok. i'm digging in into forums. well, my f*g work network is only 16kB/s :(
[03:47] <jmhodges> silly question, whats the name of the application that traces the network connections of a specific program (kind of like strace)
[03:47] <GarySaved> Oops ... Did not see someone had that.
[03:48] <mainer> jmhodges: you mean netstat --help
[03:48] <cens0red> can anybody direct me to an installation guide for hoary?
[03:48] <Dr_Aevil> jmhodges: you mean the route? traceroute or the open network connections? you can lsof -i | grep <program name> for that?
[03:48] <jmhodges> mainer really? netstat?
[03:49] <jmhodges> lsof -i | grep might be it
[03:49] <jmhodges> ill look into netstat again though
[03:49] <linuzo> Does anyone why menueditor is kubuntu doesn't work I click it does nothing
[03:49] <mainer> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:49] <jmhodges> netstat -p | grep <program pid> would do it..
[03:50] <mainer> oe /var/log/syslog parsing:)
[03:50] <mainer> or
[03:51] <sparkling> sera
[03:51] <Dr_Aevil> jmhodges: the diff would be that lsof -i shows the open network connections, netstat -p shows all open sockets, including local file access
[03:51] <GarySaved> Am I correct in assuming that if I switch to the breezy repositories, they will include any security fixes posted to hoary?
[03:53] <\sh> GarySaved: there will be security fixes for hoary..
[03:53] <sparkling> esistono temi per gnome simili a macosx?
[03:53] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: do you have AMd64 with SATA/PATA mb?
[03:53] <sparkling> o cmq ins tile mac osx?
[03:53] <\sh> GarySaved: and they will go into breezy...normal way
[03:53] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: nope, P4 with SATA/PATA :)
[03:53] <sparkling> ops sorry for language
[03:53] <Dr_Aevil> sparkling: yeah, don't use foul words like "mac osx"!
[03:54] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: did you put module for your SATA/PATA cntrl in top of /etc/modules?
[03:54] <sparkling> ehehehe i know :P
[03:54] <vulcanoo> BRAVO les gars
[03:54] <vulcanoo> gniam ;-)))
[03:54] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: I'm testing it right now, reboot, brb
[03:54] <vulcanoo> gnial
[03:54] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: I running my own kernel so it's not applicable I'm afraid
[03:55] <Xeon3D> damn... not single page that teaches you on how to build a casket.
[03:55] <mishof> you guys should try the HumanXmms skin (ubuntu-like skin for xmms)
[03:57] <Shufla> re
[03:57] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: hehe. it works!! :D
[03:59] <TinoM> problem: after upgrading to Hoary, i have no keyboard in gdm (mouse works). i connect with ssh, /etc/init.d/gdm restart and then the keyboard works again...
[03:59] <windi> ehm.. why doesn't even sudo work with a default ubuntu install? it says in the documents it should work. it keeps asking for a password it has never asked
[04:00] <TinoM> sudo asks for the user-pw
[04:00] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: cool :)
[04:00] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: try trick with your module :D
[04:00] <windi> TinoM: oh, thanks:)
[04:00] <TinoM> no prob. the pw will be cached for some time...
[04:03] <BlackLabel> is it possible to install a boot splash?
[04:05] <funkyhat> have the CDs for hoary started yet?
[04:05] <camcorder> BlackLabel: i wonder that too, i miss my old colorful grub list. and don't want to compile grub myself
[04:05] <BlackLabel> yea
[04:05] <peh> the sonud is not crystal clear...
[04:06] <BlackLabel> SuperCatFrog from #kubuntu sent me this ->http://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/
[04:06] <felix01> hi guys i just installed xfce but unlike fluxbox its not auto added to my session choices, does anyone know what file i need to edit and what to place in it to add it?
[04:07] <windi> funkyhat: I just installed it from a cd :)
[04:07] <funkyhat> cool
[04:07] <mishof> emacs question - how can i set the langauge highlights ? (i want it to be prolog)
[04:07] <windi> oh.. I burned it myself
[04:07] <Deviad> Hello guys, can anyone tell me how to export a different host type from the owning one?
[04:08] <Deviad> That's in GCC
[04:08] <Deviad> I need to compile an x86 program on a amd64 machine with amd64 kernel
[04:08] <funkyhat> oh i could do that..... but as i'm on the list it would be silly to burn one
[04:08] <Shufla> Deviad: cross-compile.
[04:08] <Dark3Lite> hmm
[04:09] <Dark3Lite> what is the ubuntu default password for the livecd?
[04:09] <Deviad> Shufla, some time a go for a matter alike I used the command EXPORT I guess
[04:09] <Deviad> I guess I can use it to modify the gcc host type
[04:09] <Deviad> isn'it it so?
[04:09] <windi> its fun that ubunty comes with ati fglrx driver and x.org in real .deb packages:)
[04:09] <Shufla> Deviad: AFAIR it could be tricky. cos there are some libs 32bit and some 64bit and I heard about linking issues.
[04:09] <zookoworks> Greetings, People of #ubuntu!  Am I asking for trouble to compile my kernel with gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-3.3?
[04:10] <zookoworks> What are you guys talking about?  I'm running 64-bit hoary here and can run 32-bit executables as well.
[04:10] <Deviad> Yeah, that's a good question, that's something I was wondering myself too
[04:10] <Shufla> Greetings, Trouble Asker :)
[04:10] <windi> do you know if it's a good idea to use some debian pacakges in ubunty, like, joe (my fav. text editor) doesn't seem to have one, but it does have a debian package
[04:10] <zookoworks> Hrm...
[04:10] <zookoworks> Okay, I guess I'll revert to gcc-3.3.
[04:10] <Deviad> zookoworks, no wait
[04:10] <Shufla> windi: did you added universe & multiverse repos?
[04:10] <Deviad> it isn't necessary to do so
[04:11] <Deviad> you can just create a symbolic link
[04:11] <windi> Shufla: no.. do those make it possible?
[04:11] <Deviad> in /usr/lib
[04:11] <olu> is breezy the development branch now??
[04:11] <Deviad> for example ln -s /blablablabla/gcc-3.4 gcc
[04:11] <Deviad> for example ln -s /blablablabla/gcc-3.4 /usr/lib/gcc
[04:11] <Deviad> this way you make gcc-3.4 or whatever the version you want the default one
[04:11] <Shufla> windi: indeed. try sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove # from lines with universe. then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install joe
[04:12] <windi> Shufla: ok, thanks :)
[04:12] <zookoworks> especially since my kernel compile just errored out...
[04:12] <Deviad> gcc-4.0 is getting out
[04:12] <zookoworks> Deviad: Yes, I know about the symlinks.  Thanks!
[04:12] <Deviad> too :P
[04:12] <Shufla> windi: BTW. http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ - you'll spend 20 minutes and you'll recive answers for many questions.
[04:12] <Deviad> Well, I have used many distro so far, so I learned something from every distro and sometimes things I learned on Slackware for instance come useful here as well
[04:12] <Deviad> :P
[04:13] <Deviad> distros*
[04:13] <Shufla> Deviad: I'm happy that I do not have to use all of thew knowledge which I gained using gentoo, slack, and so on to accomplish "simple tasks". simple tasks in ubuntu are just...simple. :D
[04:14] <Deviad> I prefear ubuntu cos it's very portable... and fast detects the hardware... very useful when you have a new machine and don't want to google all night long. You just pick up the config file and you save it on a medium so that you can use it for a later compiling on the distro you fancy using...
[04:14] <felix01> hi guys i just installed xfce but unlike fluxbox its not auto added to my session choices, does anyone know what file i need to edit and what to place in it to add it?
[04:14] <Deviad> Shufla, we said the same thing. :D
[04:15] <Shufla> Deviad: indeed :D
[04:16] <Deviad> Can anyone tell me something more about cross-compile?
[04:16] <Deviad> Is it a package I have to download or just a technique?
[04:16] <sig> Dr_Aevil:
[04:17] <sig> I was curious about your errors with gnome-volume-manager, were you using your own kernel with those errors or a stock Hoary kernel ?
[04:17] <vasi> hi, has anybody been able to print from Evince?
[04:17] <azad> mm hi! since some time i don't get any updates with apt.. is there a new release and the old one isn't updated anymore?
[04:17] <Echylo> is it possible to have a non verbose boot process?
[04:19] <vasi> azad, now that hoary is release there will not be many updates
[04:19] <vasi> just for security issues and other major bugs
[04:19] <vasi> if you want some important updates, use Ubuntu Backports
[04:19] <azad> hmm..
[04:19] <Shufla> hm. it is possible in gnome to attach <win-k>+L for lock screen?
[04:19] <vasi> if you want updates all the time, and can deal with occasional breakage, use Breezy (the next ubuntu)
[04:20] <azad> is breezy something like testing/unstable?
[04:20] <Echylo> read: very unstable
[04:20] <vasi> Shufla, look at System -> Preferences -> Shortcuts
[04:20] <vasi> azad: it's currently just starting, so it's gonna break a lot
[04:20] <vasi> once Breezy is a few months in it will stabilize more
[04:20] <azad> well.. okay, i still want it! :)
[04:21] <Echylo> lel
[04:21] <Echylo> wait until may
[04:21] <frank> Is there a way to get synaptic to show different versions of the same package that are available on different repositories instead of just the latest one?
[04:21] <azad> just replace "hoary" with "breezy" ina apt list there?
[04:21] <Shufla> vasi: yes i know. but when I use <win-k>+l it do not treat <win-k> special...
[04:21] <azad> "in sources.list" i mean..
[04:21] <vasi> frank, i'm not sure if synaptic can do it....but if you're willing to use the command line, you can do 'apt-cache show somepackage'
[04:22] <vasi> Shufla, i must have misunderstood...what's win-k?
[04:22] <Shufla> vasi: windows-K.
[04:22] <Deviad> mmmm
[04:23] <Deviad> can anyone tell me about cross-compile pls?
[04:23] <Deviad> plz*
[04:23] <frank> vasi will that show multiple versions if thats the case?
[04:23] <vasi> yes frank
[04:23] <krism> hmm.. anybody looking for a laptop that runs ubuntu smoothly? :) wanting to buy a powerbook, so i put my laptop on ebay
[04:23] <azad> thanks vasi :)
[04:24] <krism> sorry for the OT.. /msg me if u want the link
[04:24] <frank> vasi then you do   dpkg -i package_name/unstable   or whatever?
[04:24] <GarySaved> I wonder if ubuntu will switch to gnome-apt ?  It is becoming more stable.
[04:24] <vasi> krism, welcome in advance to Ubuntu PPC :-)
[04:24] <krism> vasi :)
[04:25] <vasi> frank, no...then you do 'apt-get install somepackage=1.2.3-1'
[04:25] <krism> i just like the ppc hardware better.. it's like someone actually sat down and thought about it. ;)
[04:25] <Shufla> ouch. i bited myself :(
[04:25] <frank> vasi: I didn't know about that but mine works too to select from which distribution a package comes from
[04:26] <vasi> umm...dpkg -i  only works for local debs
[04:26] <vasi> it doesn't download anything over the network
[04:26] <Deviad> Shufla, I was looking on google but I found nothing worth reading
[04:27] <frank> vasi: your'e right. I dont remember what I did the other time!
[04:27] <frank> vasi: you can also do a   apt-get install somepackage/unstable
[04:28] <vasi> frank, perhaps that works, i've never tried :-)  thanks for the info
[04:28] <azad> vasi: i can apt-get update, seems to work, but apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't bring anything new, that's usual?
[04:28] <vasi> krism, are you already on PPC?
[04:28] <vasi> azad, there is almost nothing in breezy at this moment
[04:28] <vasi> it's brand new, first new package was yesterday
[04:28] <vasi> (i think)
[04:29] <thoreauputic> frank: apt-get -t unstable install blah  (of course onlt in debian)
[04:29] <thoreauputic> *only
[04:29] <azad> oh, i see, heh.. well still okay, if hoary isn't updated a lot anyways.. thank you
[04:29] <krism> vasi : was previously
[04:29] <vasi> so....pretty please could someone try printing from Evince?
[04:30] <vasi> cuz it's still not working for me...and everything else is....and i'd like to know if it's my personal force field that's making this happen, or if i should file a bug :-)
[04:30] <krism> vasi: an ancient ibook. then upgraded to this laptop.. now i'd like to go to a powerbook. indecisive as hell :)
[04:30] <vasi> gonna run OS X or linux? (or both?)
[04:30] <krism> vasi: linux..
[04:30] <krism> vasi: i might be something of a nazi ;)
[04:30] <frank> thoreauputic: or if you want to try the debian package for some reason.   My problem is that if I put debian repositories in my sources, synaptic treats them as 'better' than the ubuntu sources if they have a higher cversion
[04:31] <vasi> i recommend you keep a small OS X partition around....just for things like Flash that are totally not working on Linux PPC
[04:31] <vasi> you don't even have to ever boot it
[04:31] <vasi> just use Mac on Linux :-)
[04:31] <krism> vasi: eh, if there's no OSS for file $x, i don't use file $x.
[04:31] <chazwurth> is anyone here good with hotplug-related issues? I'm having some strange trouble.
[04:31] <krism> vasi: gets kind of annoying and inconvient at times, but... ;)
[04:32] <krism> chazwurth : what kind of trouble?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> frank: yeah, tricky to do - I think you'd have to pin them : using debian packages can be a good way to mess the system up
[04:32] <] BreliC[> hey guys... what are the odds that an rpm for my printer driver converted to a deb would *not* screw up my install?
[04:32] <chazwurth> krism: every now and then, when I boot my laptop, it won't automount my usb pen drive
[04:32] <vasi> krism, yeah....i sometimes really need to use a flash demo or some windows software for school, what can i do about it?
[04:32] <chazwurth> krism: it's sort of random; doesn't happen every time, but when it does happen, a reboot is required to fix
[04:32] <krism> chazwurth : do you see anything in the output of 'dmesg'?
[04:32] <frank> thoreauputic:   what does apt pining mean? I heard about but I don't know what it means
[04:33] <chazwurth> krism: I looked at that a few days ago, but forgot to save it :P
[04:33] <krism> vasi: yeah, my desktop at work runs windows.. "unix-ized" windows, but windows nonetheless. :(
[04:33] <vasi> pinning confuses me horribly :-/
[04:33] <thoreauputic> frank: briefly, it allows you to alter priorities - see the apt howto
[04:33] <frank> ok
[04:33] <krism> chazwurth : nex time it happens, make sure to save the output (dmesg > file.txt) - hotplug might be assigning a different /dev/sd? node to it
[04:33] <thoreauputic> or apt-get install apt-howto
[04:33] <chazwurth> krism: there are two other odd things about it: 1) when this happens, and I mount it by hand, I get strange behavior; for example, the drive will mount, but won't unmount
[04:33] <chazwurth> krism: it's definitely not doing that
[04:33] <krism> chazwurth : for which there's a simple fix involving writing a rule for the device in /etc/udev/udev.rules
[04:34] <chazwurth> krism: it's always /dev/sda1
[04:34] <krism> chazwurth : whoops ;)
[04:34] <krism> chazwurth : i'm not sure then, sorry :)
[04:34] <vasi> chazwurth, when it doesn't unmount, what error does it give?
[04:34] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: that's "apt pinning"... "apt *pining*" is when another distro really wishes it uses apt
[04:34] <Deviad> Can anyone tell me how to temporary turn off gcc version checking?
[04:34] <vasi> mcdonaldswes, *groan*
[04:34] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: heheh :)
[04:34] <chazwurth> vasi: gimme a couple minutes, I'll try to reproduce it. sorry for not saving the errors, I've been stupid about this
[04:34] <Deviad> I was reading about this, it could be the solution to my problems...
[04:35] <chazwurth> there's one other strange thing that happens, dunno if it'll help diagnose
[04:36] <vasi> Deviad, does this solve your problem? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg00143.html
[04:36] <chazwurth> I have a hard drive partition that I mount as /home/myuser/documents on boot; I've made an fstab entry for it; when this problem occurs and my pen drive won't auto-mount, that drive shows up as an icon on the desktop in GNOME
[04:36] <chazwurth> when everything is normal, the icon isn't there
[04:36] <vasi> you probably want to see the output of 'mount' when things are 'normal' and 'broken'
[04:36] <vasi> the differences are likely to be informative :-)
[04:37] <chazwurth> vasi: I'm rebooting the machine a few times; it's pretty hard to reproduce, it only happens every once and a while
[04:37] <chazwurth> seemingly at random
[04:37] <vasi> hey, what command do i use to try to suspend my computer?
[04:37] <Deviad> vasi, yes, thx a lot.
[04:38] <zxc_> any ideas how to reload the desktop if it's frozen
[04:38] <chazwurth> vasi: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh I think, for suspend to ram
[04:38] <LISP> where's the smart alick that told me yesterday that mplayer has gmplayer as a deb on ubu?
[04:38] <michael123> hi all
[04:38] <LISP> mplayer, at least my package has been compiled without gui
[04:38] <LISP> ps: hello eveybody
[04:38] <LISP> does anyone a ubu package with a mplayer gui?
[04:38] <chazwurth> vasi: hibernate.sh for suspend to disk
[04:39] <LISP> i'll look up gui mplayer right now, in synaptic
[04:39] <tyrese> Does anyone know how to get XINE on Ubuntu?
[04:39] <michael123> is have a sound-problem, every application says that /dev/dsp is busy but the system-klicksound work :/
[04:39] <vasi> zxc, maybe kill nautilus?
[04:39] <vasi> michael123, google for 'ubuntu dmix'
[04:39] <ctrler> hi, i keep having regular writes to the disk even after i set noatime
[04:40] <vasi> LISP, what about gmplayer?
[04:40] <LISP> ITS NOT THERE
[04:40] <michael123> what is dmix?
[04:40] <LISP> I'VE LOOKED IT UP
[04:40] <zxc_> ah brilliant vasi worked like charm
[04:40] <Shufla> :D
[04:40] <irbdavid> does ubuntu include mp3 playback now in the default install?
[04:40] <vasi> michael123, it lets multiple programs play sound
[04:40] <vasi> LISP, enough with the caps eh?
[04:40] <Steel3> nope, no mp3 playback in default install
[04:40] <LISP> of course
[04:40] <vasi> chazwurth, thanks for the sleep info
[04:40] <chazwurth> vasi: ok, well, I have an 'abnormal' boot to work with. I saved the dmesg output. haven't tried to mount the drive yet.
[04:40] <michael123> ok, thank u very much :)
[04:41] <LISP> but i had to :D
[04:41] <thoreauputic> LISP: i realise this doesn't directly answer the question, but I have both mplayer and xine-ui installed, and xine-ui is much better, at least here
[04:41] <LISP> somebody else told me about gmplayer
[04:41] <chazwurth> vasi: no prob
[04:41] <Steel3> vlc's my favorite
[04:41] <irbdavid> what was the package to get playback Steel3?
[04:41] <Steel3> i'll PM you
[04:41] <vasi> chaz, i may die right now if suspend doesn't work :-)
[04:41] <LISP> i prefer mplayer, though i've installed vlc too, and xine, and totem :P
[04:41] <ctrler> hi, i keep having regular writes to the disk even after i set noatime
[04:41] <chazwurth> heh
[04:41] <irbdavid> np
[04:42] <LISP> thore: do you have gmplayer? or mplayer?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> LISP: why do you prefer mplayer? Just curious, as it seems many people like it
[04:42] <Steel3> vlc's my favorite, but only mplayer can play some stuff -- i hate compiling stuff, but i found a decent deb package for mplayer/gmplayer that works out nicely
[04:42] <jintxo> LISP, I have gmplayer, I got it from the marillat site though, not ubuntu's repositories... I don't know if tha't the "good" way of installing, but it works for me
[04:42] <thoreauputic> LISP; if I type gmplayer it starts mplayer - but no GUI :/
[04:42] <LISP> i think i'll compile :(
[04:43] <LISP> there are some things that are worth compiling :P
[04:43] <Dark3Lite> anyone knows the unbutun livecd default password?
[04:44] <Steel3> irbdavid, check your PMs
[04:44] <ingolf> moin
[04:44] <thoreauputic> LISP: i think there's an --enable-gui option for ./configure
[04:44] <housetier> Steel3 the mplayer sources provide a debian/rules script. so its "fairly" easy to build a .deb yourself. personally I use this script: http://housetier.kicks-ass.net/~housetier/downloads/mplayerconfigure.txt you might want to edit the configure options, and you will need to install a few libs
[04:44] <LISP> i'm just curious: out of the people here, how many are here through the debian route, and how many are through rh, mandrake?
[04:44] <Steel3> problem with compiling is that its tough to get rid of it / upgrade, right?
[04:44] <LISP> thore: thx >:P
[04:44] <LISP> thore: didn't know that, when i installer my first mplayer a year ago :D
[04:45] <thoreauputic> LISP: debian, but I used mandrake before that (couple of years ago)
[04:45] <JinxColor> hello room, I got a question suddently my 5.04 hoary installation takes like 45 minutes to start up, X11 won't start either - any ideas - noob
[04:45] <ctrler> hi, i keep having regular writes to the disk even after i set noatime, does anyone know a solution? please... :)
[04:45] <housetier> Steel3 wrong, since you install a .deb you can remove/update the package easily
[04:46] <LISP> ctrler: do not mount it :P
[04:46] <chazwurth> LISP: Gentoo, Debian; I've used Red Hat but it's been some time and I haven't used it much.
[04:46] <ctrler> LISP, lol, i can allways stop using de computer... :)
[04:46] <LISP> does anyone know another distri with a good gmplayer package?
[04:46] <LISP> i'll use alien
[04:46] <jfk303> is there an.mpc to .mp3 converter I can quickely ap-get for?
[04:46] <LISP> chazwurth: my kind of man :P
[04:47] <chazwurth> :P
[04:47] <Steel3> ahhh
[04:47] <rototom> i got a problem with my DVB-t card under Ubuntu linux (technisat Airrstar2)
[04:47] <rototom> anyone experience with that things?
[04:48] <LISP> chazwurth: what happened with gentoo?
[04:48] <Steel3> started on Solaris a looong time ago (like middle school), then Red Hat, used Windows for a while, and within the last year got into linux again with Gentoo, then mandrake, then Ubuntu
[04:48] <chazwurth> LISP: I use it on my server. I tend not to use it on my laptop.
[04:48] <Steel3> i doubt i'll be moving from ubuntu for a looooong time
[04:48] <LISP> ubuntu is good, but there's a major shortcoming:
[04:49] <chazwurth> LISP: I like it, but for my laptop I prefer that more things be done for me. I don't really have too much time to spend getting things working on the laptop since I use it all the time.
[04:49] <LISP> they stick a lot of things down your throat
 ubuntu is good, but there's a major shortcoming:  ???
[04:49] <LISP> can i break gnome?
[04:49] <LISP> does anyone how to break dependencies?
[04:49] <LISP> it's risky, but i could do without postfix & co
[04:50] <chazwurth> LISP: sure, but it's excellent if you like GNOME and you want something that runs easily and smoothly
[04:50] <jovian> I like the new site layout good work guys
[04:50] <agnes> hey all!
[04:50] <Steel3> I like Ubuntu just 'cause i'm too lazy to maintain more complicated distros
[04:50] <Shufla> i've got only one complaint about layout - there's no search box on main site :(
[04:50] <LISP> chazwurth: c'mon - did you play any movies from the beginning?
[04:51] <LISP> chazwurth: all the"illegal" codecs, like mpeg were out :(
[04:51] <agnes> I was wondering.. how can I get the "KDE" version of openoffice.org to work? do I have to type something? i.e., oowriter --kde ? or something?
[04:51] <vasi> chazwurth, nothing happened...just told me hibernate support isn't in my kernel
[04:51] <chazwurth> LISP: fair enough. although the unofficial guide got me started pretty quickly.
[04:51] <rototom> anyone dvb-t experience with ubuntu?
[04:51] <Steel3> i think you just apt-get the plugin and run openoffice... could be wrong though
[04:51] <agnes> Steel3: well, the package is installed..
[04:51] <Shufla> agnes: try apt-cache search kde openoffice
[04:51] <LISP> chazwurth: yes, but without the net connection?
[04:51] <vasi> dunno if i really want to recompile my kernel just for that
[04:52] <LISP> chazwurth: or on dialup? wanna get 20megs or so of progs for a movie, or xmms?
[04:52] <vasi> chazwurth, got any new data re: your mounting problem?
[04:52] <Steel3> anybody else running breezy?
[04:52] <chazwurth> vasi: hrm. the only problem I've run into with hibernate is that I can't get it working with the binary nvidia drivers. I'm using the stock hoary kernel and it's been working.
[04:52] <vasi> hmm, maybe it's not there on PPC?
[04:52] <agnes> Shufla: what does this mean: oooqs-kde - OpenOffice.org QuickStarter applet for KDE
[04:52] <Steel3> i'm not sure if i edited my sources.list right 'cause nothing's changed so far
[04:52] <chazwurth> LISP: thankfully, network connectivity isn't a problem for me, but yeah, I can see where it would be a huge pain.
[04:53] <rototom> ok, bye
[04:53] <housetier> chazwurth maybe you need to unload the nvidia drivers prior to hibernating
[04:53] <Shufla> agnes: it's KDEs preloader for openoffice.
[04:53] <agnes> Shufla: I still don't understand... preloader? i.e., so that it opens faster?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> agnes: yes
[04:53] <chazwurth> housetier: at that point it isn't worth my time. I'm just using the nv drivers and I'll restart X if I absolutely need the proprietary drivers for something, which isn't often.
[04:53] <agnes> Shufla: regardless, none of those seem to really help me figure out how to start the kde UI for ooo.
[04:53] <Shufla> agnes: indeed. oooqs-kde starts openoffice core while your KDE session is starting
[04:53] <LISP> i wanna buy a new video card
[04:53] <zAo^> agnes, like Windows preloads Explorer at boot
[04:54] <LISP> nvidia or ati? for linux i mean
[04:54] <agnes> Shufla: they are all installed, I believe..
[04:54] <zAo^> LISP, Nvidea
[04:54] <agnes> Shufla, zAo^: Will it work for ooo 2?
[04:54] <Shufla> agnes: ah. AFAIR OOo KDE look&feel integration isn't complete.
[04:54] <chazwurth> LISP: the only bad thing I can say about the nvidia drivers is that I can't suspend my laptop when using them :)
[04:54] <zAo^> agabus, I dont think so. OOo2 is beta only. What does the plugin say?
[04:54] <agnes> Shufla: OK : ) i.e., it doesn't work?
[04:54] <Shufla> huh. how do I search for exact filename for package which is not installed?
[04:55] <petemc> Shufla: apt-file
[04:55] <agnes> zAo^: I'll have to look at the "detailed" comments.. but I don't know how to do that : )
[04:55] <chazwurth> vasi: dunno about ppc. what laptop is it?
[04:55] <Shufla> agnes: what do you need exactly?
[04:55] <zAo^> agabus, in Synaptic?
[04:55] <Shinaku> ooh
[04:55] <Shinaku> lucky guess
[04:55] <zAo^> agabus, sorry
[04:55] <zAo^> agnes, in Synaptic?
[04:55] <Shinaku> Right, little question before I decide to install Ubuntu
[04:55] <LISP> as for linux games, ati drivers are better?
[04:55] <Shufla> petemc: thanks.
[04:55] <Shinaku> Will it resize an NTFS partiton with Windows installed?
[04:55] <agnes> Shufla: There are two kde OO packs: openoffice.org2-kde  and openoffice.org-kde . I want to "initiate" either (1.1.x or 2.0b)
[04:55] <zAo^> LISP, NO!
[04:56] <chazwurth> LISP: not that I've heard, but I'm not a gamer
[04:56] <agnes> because my ooo 1.1.x sure doesn't look or feel kdeish
[04:56] <Shufla> agnes: initiate - install it?
[04:56] <Shinaku> nVidia drivers are better
[04:56] <agnes> Shufla: start. have ooo start.
[04:56] <linuzo> Why does Menu Editor not work in kubuntu?
[04:56] <Shufla> agnes: type oowriter in terminal.
[04:56] <Shinaku> Will Ubuntu 5.04 resize an NTFS partiton with Windows installed?
[04:57] <Shinaku> during the installation
[04:57] <Shufla> linuzo: cos it's for Gnome.
[04:57] <agnes> Shufla: yep. but that's not kde-ish.
[04:57] <Shufla> agnes: huh. you've got full kubuntu?
[04:57] <agnes> Shufla: yes.
[04:57] <zAo^> Shinaku, let me search
[04:57] <LISP> i'm not a gamer, but still, a bit of 3d shooter doesn't hurt :P
[04:57] <LISP> or mmorpg
[04:57] <Shufla> agnes: try for help on #kubuntu then. but there should be openoffice in KDEs menu.
[04:58] <zAo^> LISP, buy Nvidia; ATI s*x on Linux
[04:58] <agnes> Shufla: there is, but it don't load up as kde-ish.. however, ooo2 does! just tried now.. without anything extra.. yay!
[04:58] <agnes> any word on when the ooo2 packages will be updated to the latest beta?
[04:58] <agnes> or a later beta?
[04:58] <Shufla> agnes: huh. ok. you wanted kdeish look&feel?
[04:58] <LISP> i'll probe around, but nvidia has one vote already :P
[04:58] <zAo^> Shinaku, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24888&highlight=resize+ntfs
[04:58] <agnes> Shufla: yes : )
[04:59] <Shinaku> thanks zAo^
[04:59] <zAo^> np
[04:59] <vasi> chazwurth, it's not a laptop, it's a desktop....but it CAN suspend in OS X
[04:59] <Shufla> agnes: sorry, i misunderstooded you. can't help.
[04:59] <agnes> Shufla: ok, thanks.
[04:59] <Shufla> agnes: http://kde.openoffice.org/ it's fresh one. not avaiable in hoary i think.
[05:00] <chazwurth> vasi: don't think I'll be much help, I haven't had a mac since before OS X :P
[05:00] <zAo^> no that one is not in Hoary (yet)
[05:01] <vasi> chazwurth, it appears that the suspend mechanisms on PPC and x86 are completely different
[05:01] <vasi> dang
[05:01] <Shufla> i persume, that win32-codes won't apply to amd64 ubuntu? :(
[05:02] <AlfonsVH> I've got a problem; I'm trying to install Wine in Kubuntu, but I don't know how to change the repositories in Kynaptic. When I try to install it with apt-get, it says: "E: malformed line 28 in source list", while I don't find any errors.
[05:03] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: put 28th line here.
[05:03] <sig> AlfonsVH: did you do: apt-get install wine ?
[05:03] <sig> paste line 28
[05:03] <frank> Shufla: you need a chroot to get them to work
[05:03] <zAo^> AlfonsVH, tried to edit /etc/apt/source.lst?
[05:04] <Shufla> frank: chroot and ldd to find all needed libs? and then use 32bit mplayer there? i haven't done it before :/
[05:04] <AlfonsVH> sig, yes, I did that. My line 28 is : deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/source/
[05:04] <idn__> hi has anyone updated their apt sources to the new breezy ones?
[05:04] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: hm. try to put `./' on the end.
[05:04] <AlfonsVH> ok
[05:05] <Shufla> without `'
[05:05] <frank> Shufla: This is what I did http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[05:05] <Shufla> frank: thanks, bookmarking it.
[05:05] <AlfonsVH> Shufla, do you mean to put it after the last slash, or underneath?
[05:05] <idn__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26555 ?
[05:05] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: make it look like: deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/source/ ./
[05:05] <AlfonsVH> ok
[05:06] <randy> Hey all.
[05:06] <thoreauputic> AlfonsVH: why are yo using the sourceforge repo? wine is in ubuntu already ...
[05:07] <AlfonsVH> Shufla, it works now. Thanks for the information!!!
[05:07] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: n/p
[05:08] <agnes> hmmm. in other news, how can I install .rpm files? it seems the ooo beta only comes in .rpm
[05:08] <randy> I'm trying to add screen resolutions to xorg by editing xorg.conf but anything I add still doesn't show as an option when selecting "screen resolution" in gnome.  I added "1152x864".
[05:08] <thoreauputic> agnes: try alien ( makes a deb from an rpm)
[05:08] <housetier> agnes there was a howto around the internet about installing the OOo rpms on debian. I am sure you will find it
[05:09] <Shufla> randy: why do not try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ??
[05:09] <mikl> is there a way to change install-CD without having to check CD-rom integrity?
[05:09] <hawke_> isn't the ooo2 beta in Ubuntu anyway?
[05:09] <chazwurth> hawke_: yes
[05:09] <randy> Shufla: I tried that but I didn't see anywhere to select my resolutions.  Did I just miss that part??
[05:10] <AlfonsVH> oops, the wine thing, still doesn't work... It says " Couldn't stat source package list "
[05:10] <chazwurth> agnes: are you having problems with the ubuntu openoffice2 packages?
[05:10] <Shufla> randy: huh. then try with -p low switch to dpkg-reconfigure
[05:10] <agnes> chazwurth: well, less the packages and more the program version selected..
[05:10] <mainer> agnes use alien --help for mdk rpms
[05:10] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: synaptic? refresh it.
[05:10] <thoreauputic> AlfonsVH: wine is in universe - wipe that source out and try with universe enabled
[05:11] <agnes> chazwurth: it seems to have an older beta, which doesn't seem complete.
[05:11] <chazwurth> agnes: ah, didn't know that
[05:11] <AlfonsVH> Shufla, nope, I'm using atp-get; not synaptic, since that isn't included in Kubuntu
[05:11] <AlfonsVH> and in Kynaptic it's not possible to change repositories as far as I know
[05:11] <AlfonsVH> ah ok
[05:11] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: apt-get update.
[05:12] <AlfonsVH> Shufla, it gives that error when I try to do the update
[05:12] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: type that line here...
[05:12] <Shufla> aaaa
[05:12] <thoreauputic> AlfonsVH: erm.. did you read what I said above?
[05:12] <Shufla> stop!
[05:12] <chazwurth> agnes: well, if that's the case, google around a bit, I'm certain someone did unofficial debian packages for them; I installed it on a debian machine some weeks ago. can't remember where I got the .debs, but it might be easier than messing with the rpms
[05:12] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: change deb-src to deb.
[05:12] <deadviet> someone of you speak italian?
[05:12] <srid> I have one doubt
[05:12] <srid> Is galeon still being maintained?
[05:13] <srid> I mean, is features being added to it?
[05:13] <srid> I feel epiphany sucks
[05:13] <srid> still a simple 'focus-on-new-tab' feature is not implemented
[05:13] <exalted> hi there, Hoary is out now, that means it won't be updated anymore (except important security issues)??
[05:13] <thoreauputic> exalted: correct
[05:13] <Shufla> srid: read on http://galeon.sourceforge.net/ about galeon.
[05:13] <thoreauputic> or data-loss issues
[05:14] <Shufla> exalted: not exactly. there's hoary-updates repository.
[05:14] <srid> btw, should I switch to grumpy(or what?) now?
[05:14] <srid> in my apt-sources
[05:14] <agnes> wow! alien actually *converts* the pack to .deb??
[05:14] <exalted> thoreauputic: so, to obtain the very updated sofware what's the version name?
[05:14] <AlfonsVH> thoreautic, I changed it to universe and wiped the wine-lines, but when I do apt-update it gives the same error (...blahblahblah... no such file or directory)
[05:14] <thoreauputic> exalted: breezy
[05:15] <exalted> thoreauputic: is it available via mirrors?
[05:15] <mainer> agnes: yes,i use it extensively as needed and mdk rpms seem most compatable as compared to redhat,etc.
[05:15] <randy> Shufla:  hmmm.  It goes from video card to keyboard.  No monitor to select or nothing.  This is 5.04 Hoary.
[05:15] <mcdonaldswes> srid: I'd wait a little before switching to hoary if it's an important system
[05:15] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed a bootsplash using debian packages from bootsplash.de?
[05:15] <thoreauputic> exalted: it's only started today or yesterday
[05:15] <exalted> thoreauputic: maybe it's a good idea to wait for some days?
[05:15] <srid> mcdonaldswes, it's desktop system here . and I am already in hoary (right after installing warty)
[05:16] <Shufla> randy: hm. i think that you modified /etc/x11/org.conf. read some lines at top of that file.
[05:16] <srid> now, I feel grumpy apt-sources should be available
[05:16] <srid> is it?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> exalted: I think so , yes :)
[05:16] <exalted> thoreauputic: thx so much
[05:16] <mcdonaldswes> srid: oh sorry, read that wrong... you mean switch to breezy?
[05:16] <srid> oh i see
[05:16] <zAo^> when can we update to http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_6_8_0-8.12.10-1.i386.rpm ?
[05:16] <randy> Shufla:  Thanks.  I'll try again.
[05:16] <AlfonsVH> thoreauptic, I changed the lines to universe, but it's the belgian mirror, I think, since it begins with be.ubuntulinux.org... Could that be the problem?
[05:16] <srid> mcdonaldswes, so replace hoary with breezy in my sources.list?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> AlfonsVH: I don't know - could be I guess
[05:17] <Shufla> srid: I think that using breezy right now is risky.
[05:17] <mcdonaldswes> srid: my preference is to stick with hoary, but if you don't mind occasional breaking, then breezy is fine
[05:17] <srid> Shufla, I was switching to hoary, in warty days
[05:17] <AlfonsVH> thoreauptic, what is the address of the US universe mirror (if you know)
[05:17] <srid> Shufla, do you think, i will face new troubles?
[05:17] <mcdonaldswes> srid: hoary is pretty up to date right now... is there a reason you need breezy?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> AlfonsVH: heh - not off the top of my head, no :)
[05:17] <srid> mcdonaldswes, yes .. i need bleeding edge
[05:17] <Shufla> srid: i think that it'll be easier for you to backport packages from breezy...
[05:17] <srid> mcdonaldswes, that's why i switched to hoary months back
[05:17] <stpere> srid ;-)
[05:18] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: no need :)
[05:18] <srid> breezy .. is like hoary in warty days, right?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> AlfonsVH: there's a list of mirrors somewher on the ubuntu site I think
[05:18] <AlfonsVH> ok
[05:18] <mcdonaldswes> srid: you could always backport, or maybe selectively upgrade packages to breezy
[05:18] <Dr_Aevil> sig: if you're read the bug report you surely know :)
[05:18] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: huh?
[05:18] <mcdonaldswes> srid: yes, breezy is the hoary equivalent when warty was the only release
[05:18] <Dr_Aevil> sig: they must have changed something as that option was never needed in earlier versions
[05:18] <hawke_> is breezy actually started now?
[05:19] <srid> yep
[05:19] <RuKK> when, in the install, does ubuntu 5.04 generate its xorg.conf file? when you first run X?
[05:19] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: no need to use the modules as it's compiled into the kernel I'm using
[05:19] <srid> i don't see any improvements in boot speed
[05:19] <srid> as stated in hoary release
[05:20] <hawke_> srid: didn't you say you were using hoary already?
[05:20] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: well. but do you have dma *avaiable* for cdrom?
[05:20] <srid> hawke, yes .. before last minute ;)
[05:20] <srid> now in 'breezy'
[05:20] <zzyber> do i need to tweak anything on my hd 120Gb in ubuntu or is it OK by default? And i want to enable dma on my dvd and on my cdrw but where do i enable this so its on during boot?
[05:20] <hawke_> srid: Then why would you have noticed bootspeed improvements?
[05:20] <srid> what is next? .. next to breezy?
[05:21] <Shufla> zzyber: /etc/hdparm.conf and look for dma cdrom on www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:21] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: yes
[05:21] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: I hadn't without that trick.
[05:21] <srid> hawke, they stated in hoary release announcements (or in slashdot post)
[05:21] <Ins|de> hi there
[05:21] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: as I just said I don't need to load a module as it's compiled into the kernel I'm using.
[05:21] <Ins|de> i got a problem on my laptop
[05:21] <hawke_> srid: right...but that wasn't hoary release versus hoary pre-release.  It was hoary vs. warty.
[05:22] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: ok. sorry. i'm to tired. 9th hour @ work.
[05:22] <AlfonsVH> the apt-get update still doesn't work ("unable to resolve url ...."); I tried several mirrors; could it be because I use a non-standard proxy??
[05:22] <Shufla> huh
[05:22] <Shufla> 10th :(
[05:22] <Ins|de> when i installed binaries from nvidia drivers, reslution get low
[05:22] <srid> hawke, ok
[05:22] <Dr_Aevil> yuk
[05:23] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: hm... your hosts should look like: <2_char_country_code>.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: but for now be.archive.ubuntu.com points to same as archive.ubuntu.com (or my DNS tells me lies)
[05:25] <AlfonsVH> Shufla, I tried us.archive.ubuntu.com and be.archive.ubuntu.com; they all work fine in my browser, but for some reason the apt-get can't connect to them
[05:26] <jintxo> hey guys, would youupgrade a serer running warty (apache mysql php dns smtp pop3) to hoary or just leave as-is and track security.ubuntu.com warty?
[05:26] <AlfonsVH> by the way; is it possible to configure Kynaptic's settings?
[05:26] <AlfonsVH> huh?
[05:26] <AlfonsVH> no sorry
[05:27] <Shufla> jintxo: huh. if you've got stuff from universe there might be upgrade problems. i would leave that, cos warthy should be supported for 18 months from 2004.10 to 2006.04
[05:27] <mcdonaldswes> jintxo: I figure, leave it on warty until it's either unsupported, or you need a newer version of one of the major programs you run
[05:27] <thoreauputic> is ubuntu-calendar-april out? It doesn't appear so for warty at least...
[05:27] <jintxo> mcdonaldswes, shock that's kind of what I thought. no universe or anything :-) just looking for opinions, thanks
[05:28] <jintxo> Shufla, ^
[05:28] <srid> where can I find 'Human' theme for IceWM (as like in GNOME)
[05:29] <zAo^> who can help me with the new ATI drivers?
[05:29] <zAo^> my module is loaded, but DRI is off
[05:29] <srid> I have this bug with my current ubuntu system .. when I middle-click, the effect is twice. I mean middle-clicking links, open 2 tabs in firefox
[05:29] <sig> Dr_Aevil: so how long do you think until they put out a fix for gnome-volume-manager ?
[05:30] <srid> i suspect, this is a bug with x.org build
[05:30] <Shufla> it's very hard to trying to be Ubuntu rookie developer with such slow connection :(:(
[05:31] <Dr_Aevil> sig: I don't know if it's broken.  They've changed something as that option wasn't needed but it should work with the stock ubuntu hoary kernel.
[05:32] <sig> Dr_Aevil: it doesn't work with the stock kernel as thats what I'm using
[05:33] <AlfonsVH> I tried some stuff with apt-config; but it says "Temporary failure resolving <URL>". Could it be the proxy thing? My proxy server is just my other PC running Win2k and the program Proxy (by AnalogX); at IP address 10.0.0.1 with http port 6588
[05:33] <Dr_Aevil> sig: that doesn't mean the kernel is the issue in your case
[05:33] <Dr_Aevil> sig: I fixed mine by compiing NLS_UTF8
[05:34] <sig> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23896
[05:34] <NixerX> AlfonsVH can you ping an external IP?
[05:34] <sig> Dr_Aevil: what is NLS_UTF* ?
[05:35] <Dr_Aevil> sig: that's not the same issue.  That guy is wrong, there's no need for fstab-sync to be going for it to mount/unmount drives
[05:35] <sig> Dr_Aevil: it does on the warty system
[05:35] <Shufla> 10:35 hours @ work :( just 25 to go :)
[05:36] <Dr_Aevil> sig: it does what in the warty release?
[05:36] <sig> it temporarily alters the fstab so the icon shows up on the desktop and it mounts the media
[05:36] <sig> yes warty
[05:36] <Dr_Aevil> it doesn't need to do that
[05:36] <sig> so what do I need to do to fix it?
[05:37] <Dr_Aevil> gnome-volume-manager gets the device node from hal, and mounts it under /media I believe
[05:37] <sig> yes /media is correct
[05:37] <Dr_Aevil> sig: well, that depends on what's wrong on your system.
[05:37] <sig> Dr_Aevil: it is stock, nothing is wrong with it
[05:37] <Dr_Aevil> so that guys assertion that it *must* sync with fstab to unmount is wrong basically
[05:37] <zzyber> Shufla, thx, now i have dma = on and it works like a charm,. Mostly i do a search on google and forget about ubuntu forum :-)
[05:38] <AlfonsVH> by the way; my sound card doesn't work. I've got both a Creative (type unknown) and a Compaq Premier Sound card and none wok
[05:38] <AlfonsVH> work
[05:38] <Shufla> zzyber: great :)
[05:38] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: what lsmod | grep snd says?
[05:39] <Dr_Aevil> sig: if there was nothing wrong, it would work :) why don't you open a bug report if you're absolutely positve this is an unmodified install and it doesn't work.  Include the full /var/log/message output for when you plug the device in and the output of gnome-volume-manager 2>&1
[05:39] <CarlK> apt-cache show whiptail - Whiptail is a "dialog" replacement.  but it does not provide "dialog"?  the LIRC setup.sh needs dailog, and I can't figure out what to apt-get
[05:40] <sig> Dr_Aevil: there is something wrong, all users get this.... I was on irc.gimp.org in #gnome and the developers said they were aware of this in ubuntu and that was all I got out of them
[05:40] <Dr_Aevil> sig: no, all users do not get this.  As I say, open a bug report.
[05:41] <sig> Dr_Aevil: there is an open bug report
[05:41] <randy> Other than my screen res problem I'm quite impressed with Ubuntu.  I alsao have it on my laptop.  Fedora Core would not give me sound that's why I tried Ubuntu.
[05:41] <sig> and yes all users get this not automounting
[05:41] <Dr_Aevil> sig: oh? show me.
[05:41] <sig> one sec
[05:42] <quigi> what do you people think of apple's os x vs ubuntu
[05:42] <thoreauputic> CarlK: this could be a case where a debian .deb is needed - I don't see dialog in my repos either
[05:42] <quigi> i just switched my powerbook to ubuntu from os x
[05:42] <lucas_> hi
[05:42] <mvirkkil> WOW! http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WhyYouShouldntUseUbuntu
[05:42] <lucas_> apt-show-versions doesn't work for me in hoary
[05:43] <mvirkkil> And a link to that on the front page
[05:43] <SuperCatFrog> hi - does anybody have any experience with dvb cards in ubuntu? ive loaded the modules but hotplug isn't creating the device node
[05:43] <Shufla> mvirkkil: what a f*k. shuttleworth is white../.
[05:43] <SeamusLP> mvirkkil:  What the fuck?
[05:43] <CarlK> thoreauputic - I haven't enabled universe yet - did you check there too?
[05:44] <Shufla> and he's not afro-american...
[05:44] <mvirkkil> SeamusLP: It's called trolling or spamming.
[05:44] <mvirkkil> Shufla: I was lol:ing about that too
[05:44] <thoreauputic> CarlK: I'm on warty with universe and multiverse enabled - but it appears dialog isn't there
[05:44] <randy> mvirkkil: Is that a joke?
[05:44] <quigi> that link is a bunch of shit
[05:44] <mvirkkil> randy: No, someone is spamming the wiki
[05:45] <thoreauputic> CarlK: xdialog is, but it doesn't depend on dialog it seems
[05:45] <Shufla> but April 1st was some time ago...
[05:45] <SeamusLP> mvirkkil: oh yeah.  A wiki.  Anyone can add to it.
[05:45] <quigi> does not matter to me cause i am not even white :)
[05:45] <quigi> so who gives a crap - just use the os that you like
[05:45] <randy> mvirkkil: Ugly.  Just plain U*G*L*Y.
[05:45] <CarlK> thoreauputic - is this bugzilla worthy?
[05:46] <dazed|> mornin' all
[05:46] <Guy-> hi
[05:46] <devscott> quigi: unless you like windows, than you should be committed
[05:46] <mvirkkil> Someone should fix that and BLOCK the IP.
[05:46] <SeamusLP> mvirkkil:  How'd you find that link?
[05:46] <sig> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&resolution=DUPLICATE&resolution=---&bugidtype=include&cmdtype=doit&component=gnome-volume-manager
[05:46] <mvirkkil> SeamusLP: I read the "recent changes" very regularly
[05:46] <thoreauputic> CarlK: it seems strange, certainly - I personally would file a bug
[05:46] <mvirkkil> SeamusLP: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/recentchanges
[05:46] <Guy-> all: what's up with the amd64 archive? lots of packages have size mismatches but are otherwise OK, and this has been the case for months now
[05:46] <sig> Dr_Aevil: and yes I'm talking to the devleoper now
[05:46] <quigi> i hate windows
[05:46] <quigi> i wont use windows
[05:47] <dmouritsendk> who ever wrote that wikipage is quite insane :D
[05:47] <thoreauputic> CarlK: you could try symlinking whiptail to dialog, but I have no idea if that would work ;)
[05:47] <CarlK> thoreauputic- ill try...
[05:47] <SeamusLP> Mvirkkil: ah
[05:47] <Dr_Aevil> sig: which one of those bugs is your issue exactly? how can you say *everyone* has that issue when a) I don't and b) others didn't when you first asked about it
[05:48] <sig> Dr_Aevil: your input is no longer needed as I am talking to the developer now and he is aware of this with usb media
[05:49] <SeamusLP> Mvirkkil:  Know of any way to delete it?
[05:49] <CarlK> thoreauputic - seems to work, but now my LIRC setup needs autogen or something, so I can't really tell yet
[05:49] <mvirkkil> SeamusLP: I can remove the text, but I'm hoping someone with admin rights will delete it and block the IP in the process.
[05:50] <Dr_Aevil> sig: but you can't answer those questions?
[05:50] <AlfonsVH> shufla, sorry; I didn't see your post; lsmod doesn't say a thing about sound and Grep freezes
[05:50] <mvirkkil> SeamusLP: dholbach removed it.
[05:51] <sig> Dr_Aevil: he's answering them for me
[05:51] <Shufla> AlfonsVH: ah. ok
[05:51] <Shufla> ok. i'm going home. next package ported to ubuntu. good work :D
[05:51] <Shufla> bye bye
[05:52] <AlfonsVH> does anyone else (but shufla) knows how to fix the sound card problem I mentioned aboveN
[05:52] <SeamusLP> mvirkkil:  Well that was quick.  Hopefully he'll take care of the front page link too
[05:52] <Guy-> all: what's up with the amd64 archive? lots of packages have size mismatches but are otherwise OK, and this has been the case for months now
[05:53] <thompsbm_> how do you scan for wireless
[05:53] <randy> I love Synaptic and apt.  I could update forever.  :)
[05:53] <thompsbm_> networks
[05:53] <Dr_Aevil> sig: gah, well I don't see why he should resolve the logical contradictions in your statements for you :P 'tis hard to assist when you assert that *everyone* has a problem when they don't all have it and that there is a bug report when there isn't one for that issue.  As I say, I resolved my problem when I realised that gnome-volume-manager in hoary depends on there being NLS_UTF8 support from the kernel.  That wasn't needed in debian/sid.
[05:53] <Guy-> thompsbm_: man iwspy
[05:54] <sig> Dr_Aevil: we are going through all the steps now, don't know what to tell you bud
[05:54] <sig> I'm telling him now that you are saying adding NLS_UTF8 support worked
[05:54] <zAo^> can anyone help me with this error?
[05:54] <zAo^> zao@amd:~$ fgl_glxgears
[05:54] <zAo^> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[05:54] <zAo^>   Major opcode of failed request:  143 (GLX)
[05:54] <zAo^>   Minor opcode of failed request:  5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent)
[05:54] <zAo^>   Serial number of failed request:  32
[05:54] <zAo^>   Current serial number in output stream:  32
[05:54] <sig> but now he is saying that it should be in the stock kernel
[05:54] <sig> heh
[05:54] <dcell> what is the debian (ubuntu) way of configuring things to execute at certain runlevels (similar to chkconfig)?
[05:54] <sig> so there goes your theory
[05:56] <Dr_Aevil> sig: you really are dumb aren't you? I already told you several dozen times that it was in the stock kernel and so it wasn't your issue.
[05:56] <thompsbm_> Guy-, it says use iwlist int scan but says interface doesn't support scanning...i did iwlist eth0 scan
[05:56] <Dr_Aevil> sig: all I am saying is that you were saying things that patently weren't true.
[05:57] <Guy-> thompsbm_: ah, yes, sorry, it was iwlist - but if it says that, then scanning apparently isn't supported (by the driver) and there's little you can do
[05:58] <Guy-> thompsbm_: you might try ndiswrapper if you're using the native driver and vice versa
[05:58] <sig> Dr_Aevil: not sure but there are bugs so somilar to each other that one could figure this out that there is a problem...
[05:59] <sig> why would you say that the uls_utf8 fix did it for you when a stock kernel has that?
[05:59] <sig> that is truely dumb
[05:59] <sig> don't go trying to insult people over the internet
[05:59] <Dr_Aevil> sig: maybe...wait for this one..because I'm not using a stock kernel?
[05:59] <sig> lol
[05:59] <sig> it gets deeper doesn't it
[05:59] <Somebody_> Hello
[06:00] <thompsbm_> Guy-, well the card i am using is supposed to be completely supported by ubuntu?
[06:00] <AlfonsVH> hey guys is it possible to install Wine from Kynaptic? I don't see it listed and I updated my sources.list file to search in the Universe directory
[06:00] <Dr_Aevil> sig: also, those bugs are not a match for your issue.  You said "there is a bug report for this issue" and all you can produce is a list of all the bugs filed against the package.
[06:00] <Somebody_> I'm really having trouble with sane, I'm reading the tldp howto, but it seems to jump a whole section! I have a parallel port printer, the N640P
[06:00] <Dr_Aevil> sig: so the primary similarity I see in those bugs witn the issue you described is that...err, they all relate to gnome-volume-manager
[06:00] <sig> Dr_Aevil: look deeper, there is one "EXACTLY" like mine, same hardware etc.
[06:00] <sig> anyways got my answer
[06:01] <Dr_Aevil> sig: what's the bug id?
[06:02] <Guy-> thompsbm_: I don't know about that - there are several kinds of wifi cards from a linux perspective
[06:02] <FC> Can anyone help me with my resolution, there are 4 in my xorg.conf but in gnome only 1
[06:02] <Guy-> thompsbm_: those that have good native drivers; those that have good ndiswrapper support; and those that have neither (the first two groups might overlap)
[06:02] <Somebody_> Is parallel-port support enabled into the default ubuntu kernel?
[06:03] <Guy-> thompsbm_: but this is distribution independent - if it's "supported" by ubuntu, it's just as well supported by, say, Gentoo
[06:03] <thoreauputic> Somebody_: of course
[06:03] <Guy-> thompsbm_: with the possible exception that some new drivers may be merged into some distribution kernels as patches
[06:03] <graabein> hi... anyone installed alexandria 0.5?
[06:04] <thompsbm_> Guy-, ok....so i guess i just better know the name of the access point then
[06:04] <SeamusLP> Hey anyone know why it is that hoary hedgehog doesn't enable dma by default?
[06:04] <Guy-> thompsbm_: for now, yes
[06:04] <Guy-> thompsbm_: (or, like I said, you might try the other driver branch)
[06:05] <FC> Can anyone help me with my resolution, there are 4 in my xorg.conf but in gnome only 1
[06:05] <thompsbm_> Guy-, so i can't go to the local coffee shop and use it...hehehe
[06:05] <Guy-> thompsbm_: you might with the other driver, or if they tell you their ssid
[06:06] <SeamusLP> FC:  Got anywhere you can post your xorg.conf?
[06:06] <FC> uhm
[06:06] <FC> brb
[06:06] <thompsbm_> Guy-, well im going to try ndis see what i can come up with..
[06:06] <dcell> Running netstat -atnp shows master is listening on port 25.  How do I stop master?
[06:07] <DutchFish> dcell kill PID
[06:07] <AlfonsVH> doesn't anyone know anything about the Kynaptic-thing?
[06:07] <SuperCatFrog> hi - anybody use a dvb card on ubuntu? im having problems with udev not registering the device node
[06:07] <thoreauputic> AlfonsVH: have you asked in #kubuntu ?
[06:08] <Guy-> dcell: or fuser -k -n tcp 25
[06:08] <dcell> DutchFish, thanks, is master the same as inetd?  If so why does /etc/init.d/inetd stop not kill it?
[06:08] <DutchFish> how to enable universe (right) in Hoary?
[06:08] <Guy-> all: still no one with any info on why the amd64 archive is b0rken?
[06:08] <dcell> Guy-, fuser <-that is a new command for me
[06:09] <Dr_Aevil> sig: what's the resolution? is there an open bug ID for this issue?
[06:09] <Guy-> dcell: it's useful, check it in man
[06:09] <AlfonsVH> thoreauptic, no; I'll try that
[06:09] <AlfonsVH> bye everyone
[06:09] <SeamusLP> Guy:  Have you checked the forums?
[06:09] <dcell> man fuser...that's cool.
[06:09] <Guy-> SeamusLP: yes, but only found questions, no answers
[06:09] <dcell> another command to add to the toolbox...fuser that is.
[06:09] <FC> SeamusLP, http://parabol.nl/xorg.txt
[06:10] <DutchFish> dcell read man inet.d ;) gl
[06:10] <SeamusLP> FC:  xorg.txt????
[06:10] <mainer> dcell: rc0_d thru rc_6d,s=start,k=kill
[06:10] <Guy-> SeamusLP: is there a specific forum I should be looking at? all I did was google
[06:10] <mainer> dcell in /etc
[06:11] <DutchFish> mainer: (to enable/disable on boot) but thats not his q :)
[06:11] <SeamusLP> Guy-:  Yes, http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:11] <dcell> mainer, I suppose you are referring to update-rc.d
[06:11] <FC> SeamusLP, I renamed it
[06:11] <UnDeR[g] RoUnD> ciao a tutti
[06:11] <mainer> no,maually edit runlevels,in kde use KSysV,not sure what to use in gnome
[06:11] <Guy-> SeamusLP: any place to search the ubuntu-users archive? the mailman interface doesn't do searches, so I'm downloading the full archive, but this is kind of awkward :)
[06:12] <fgx> Gussoh, gmane
[06:12] <DutchFish> anyone has a link on how to config universe in hoary?
[06:12] <fgx> Guy-, gmane
[06:12] <fgx> sorry Gussoh
[06:12] <SeamusLP> Guy-: umm, why not just go to that site and click "search"?
[06:12] <mainer> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:12] <dazed> alright
[06:12] <dazed> this is really starting to piss me off
[06:12] <FC> but SeamusLP, do you know whats wrong?
[06:12] <dazed> im about to go back to warty
[06:13] <Guy-> SeamusLP: the forums? I did, but it just comes up with http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13203&highlight=size+mismatch - the thread I found before with google
[06:13] <SeamusLP> FC: Hold on I'm looking at it.  What resolution are you running currently, and what resolution can you choose in gnome?
[06:13] <dazed> this shit is ridiculous...lock ups constantly...with no explination, and no its not nvidia drivesr
[06:13] <FC> 800x600
[06:13] <DutchFish> mainer thx :)
[06:13] <FC> its the only resolution i can choose from
[06:14] <DutchFish> dazed aptience is the key to wisdom :)
[06:14] <DutchFish> dazed patience*
[06:14] <brad-> Anyone here using a prism USB wifi adapter with Ubuntu Hoary?
[06:14] <DutchFish> brad yes
[06:15] <Tux-Rox> brad-, I have tried a usb adapter and got it to see networks.
[06:15] <dazed> DutchFish, u try having patience when ur computer locks up RANDOMLY about 4 -5 times a day...and u have to reboot manually everytime...cant even get in throug ssh
[06:15] <DutchFish> brad prims2 drivers compiled from source
[06:15] <brad-> DutchFish: Did you have to do anything special?
[06:15] <brad-> Tux-Rox: ^ ;)
[06:15] <DutchFish> dazed try noapic ... gl :)
[06:16] <akk> dazed: Do you still have your old kernel?  Maybe boot from that, but on the new system?
[06:16] <Guy-> fgx: no relevant hits on gmane either, but thanks anyway
[06:16] <dazed> akk i might try that
[06:16] <akk> dazed: I've found that newer 2.6 kernels are really unstable on some machines (though fine on others).
[06:16] <CarlK> I have enabled universe and multiverse, but can't figoure out what I need to satify  "You need at least libtool-1.3.3, automake-1.5 and autoconf-2.13" http://www.lirc.org/cvs.html
[06:16] <akk> dazed: If you have time, you might even try building your own kernel.
[06:16] <SeamusLP> FC:  I don't see any problems so far.  What type of graphics are you using?
[06:16] <FC> what do you mean?
[06:16] <dazed> i could try but isnt everything on new system built around 2.6....and i think i only have kernels that came with hoary...i wouldnt know where to start in building my own
[06:17] <DutchFish> dazed it all depends on a yes/no broken bios
[06:17] <Tux-Rox> brad-, It seems that wireless tools are a bit lacking in 5.04 though...... I can't get the adaptor to be seen if I disconnect it and reconnect it, at least in the Network Settings app. The network applet reacts though.....
[06:17] <SeamusLP> FC:  Like what type of manufacturer...
[06:17] <FC> oh
[06:17] <brad-> Tux-Rox: hrm - I can't even get the network settings app to see it ..
[06:17] <FC> S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV
[06:17] <FC> thats whats in the xorg.conf
[06:18] <DutchFish> dazed some (borken vendors) mess around with apic things not complient way
[06:18] <FC> and that is correct
[06:18] <dazed> so boot with noapic u suggst ?
[06:18] <Xappe> FC: have you added the refresh rates for your monitor?
[06:18] <DutchFish> dazed yep
[06:18] <danix> hi =P can one can tel me why the sticks notes of ubuntu be always on top?
[06:18] <Somebody_> Can I check whether a device is attaced to a parallel port via command line?
[06:18] <FC> Xappe, i dont think so
[06:18] <dazed> DutchFish, i just add that to my grub bootlist correct?
[06:19] <mikl> hmm, how do you start the Xorg-config-tool?
[06:19] <Xappe> FC: do you have the manual for the monitor? the refresh rates should be mentioned there
[06:19] <DutchFish> dazed first try it mannually on boot, if it works... you know the drill
[06:19] <FC> Xappe, no, its an old laptop
[06:19] <Xappe> FC: ah
[06:19] <dazed> alright well how do i do it manually since it boots from grub automatically
[06:19] <CarlK> FC - what does lspci show?
[06:19] <MaxeyPad> I recently upgraded from warty to hoary, however the OS is acting a bit unstable.  When I go to my home directory nautilus just sits and "spins".  Some of the desktop management components like change background picture crash immedialy when opened.  Any ideas?  Yes, i've rebooted since the upgrade.
[06:19] <MaxeyPad> In general things seem slower also
[06:20] <akk> brad-: Old prism, or prism54?  I finally gave up on my old prism card and got a newer prism54 based one.
[06:20] <mikl> MaxeyPad: try "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" ;)
[06:20] <Tux-Rox> brad-, I had to do some kind of dinking around in the /etc/network/interface config file, and still it is not detected after modifying that. I am not sure why these are such an issue...
[06:20] <DutchFish> akk my prism2 chipset works fine now
[06:20] <MaxeyPad> negative sir :)
[06:20] <brad-> akk: Old prism
[06:20] <akk> DutchFish: My problems with prism2 were lack of range, and inability to list access points (it just picks one)
[06:21] <dazed> DutchFish, alright well how do i do it manually since it boots from grub automatically
[06:21] <akk> DutchFish: It worked fine as long as I was sitting next to the AP I wanted to connect to.
[06:21] <DutchFish> akk i edited that manualy for sit0
[06:21] <FC> CarlK, the vga controller part? S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV
[06:21] <MaxeyPad> What is a good pcmcia wireless card for Linux, one that natively supports connection to an external antenna
[06:21] <DutchFish> akk you could do it with a script if you want for dif APs
[06:22] <Guy-> MaxeyPad: orinoco
[06:22] <akk> DutchFish: I got tired of hearing people talk about scanning, or listing available APs, or getting good signals when I was getting "out of range" messages.
[06:22] <akk> DutchFish: Maybe it's just that the places I go, signals are always really weak.
[06:22] <DutchFish> dazed on grup prompt you can give extra parameters
[06:22] <DutchFish> dazed when booting
[06:23] <DutchFish> akk possible
[06:23] <dazed> DutchFish, i have never noticed...it says "press esc to load grub boot menu" or it just boots up if i dont hit esc in 3 seconds
[06:23] <DutchFish> akk choosing your speed a bit lower sometimes helps a lot
[06:23] <idn__> breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! breezy! - just updated sources.list to the breezy repositories :)
[06:23] <FC> SeamusLP?
[06:23] <akk> DutchFish: Interesting ...  how do I set the speed lower?
[06:23] <DutchFish> in the wlan config
[06:24] <SeamusLP> FC:  I'm thinking we need to have a look at the xorg log
[06:24] <Somebody_> Hm... I can't seem to find parport in /dev or /proc, where would it be located? I've tried whereis parport
[06:24] <FC> SeamusLP, where can I find that?
[06:24] <akk> Cool, DutchFish, I'll look.  I still keep the prism2 cards around just in case.
[06:25] <SeamusLP> FC:  it's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:25] <SeamusLP> FC:  If there's some error on the server startup it'd be in there
[06:25] <thoreauputic_> Somebody_: try " locate parport "
[06:25] <dazed> akk is 2.6.8 the warty kernel or is that just a dif kernel from hoary?
[06:25] <thoreauputic_> Somebody_: should be a fair bit there...
[06:26] <FC> SeamusLP, there are no errors
[06:26] <akk> dazed: Good question ... I don't have a warty machine handy.  Anyone else know what kernel warty used?
[06:26] <FC> I just cant choose all the resolutions
[06:27] <Somebody_> thoreauputic, I only get /lib modules, and /usr/inlcude :(
[06:27] <thoreauputic_> Somebody_: you might be looking for /dev/lp0  I think/
[06:27] <dazed> thoreauputic, u still on warty?
[06:27] <dcahrakos> anyone know a good C++ ide for ubuntu?
[06:27] <thoreauputic_> dazed, yes indeed
[06:27] <SeamusLP> FC: There aren't any errors near the bottom of the log?
[06:27] <niskin> how can I put an icon on my desktop for Pan - I have just installed it - but i dosnt show up ?
[06:27] <FC> SeamusLP, ill check
[06:28] <dazed> thoreauputic, figured as much :) could u tell me what kernel it uses?
[06:28] <akk> dazed: If you don't have the modules in /lib/modules, you won't get full functionality, but you can probably still boot from it.
[06:28] <thoreauputic_> 2.6.8.1-4-386
[06:28] <thoreauputic_> dazed, ^^^
[06:28] <dazed> i have 8.1-3 and 8.1-5 in my modules lol
[06:28] <dazed> thanks thoreauputic
[06:29] <thoreauputic_> actually I'm one kernel behind, the newest is 2.6.8.1-5 I think
[06:29] <dazed> ok so ill boot from 1-5 and see if that does anything special
[06:29] <RuKK> Hey guys. I've just installed ubuntu 5.04 on my system and I get a blinking underscore in the upper left hand corner of my screen when it gets to the point where its trying to load gdm. I can turn on caps lock numlock etc just fine, left it this way for 4+ hours, doesnt do anything, but I cant ctrl+alt+backspace, ctrl+alt+del or ctrl+alt+f1 f2 f3 etc etc
[06:30] <RuKK> any ideas?
[06:32] <reagleBRKLN> did anyone see 'veronica mars' last night? (my SO watches it ;) the culprit was a nerd getting back at a bully who was also extolling the virtues of Ubuntu!!
[06:32] <FC> SeamusLP, http://parabol.nl/Xorg.0.log
[06:33] <LaurenceRowe> Hi, anyone else seeing problems with gaim and aol IM?
[06:33] <akk> reagleBRKLN: The nerd liked ubuntu, or the bully did?
[06:33] <SeamusLP> FC: Alright digging through that now...
[06:33] <jintxo> RuKK, can you boot it to a console with "single" as a boot parameter?
[06:33] <Heinz> de casualidad hablan espaol
[06:34] <Heinz> alguien que hable espaol
[06:34] <] BreliC[> is Beagle not in the repos for ubuntu?
[06:34] <RuKK> jintxo: to do that, I'll bring up the grub menu and add single to the end of the boot commands for normally loading ubuntu?
[06:34] <jintxo> Heinz, en #ubuntu-es hay mas gente que habla espaol
[06:34] <Heinz> :D
[06:34] <Heinz> gracias
[06:34] <jintxo> RuKK, ya, see what happens
[06:34] <FC> SeamusLP, ill be back in half an hour or something, could you say everything in query please? thanks.
[06:34] <RuKK> jintxo: thanks man, I'll try it right now.
[06:34] <jintxo> de nada :-9
[06:34] <SeamusLP> FC: Sure
[06:35] <tle> argh...
[06:35] <tle> hey ppl
[06:36] <tle> I just found a big bug of RealPlayer on Ubuntu
[06:36] <tle> RealPlayer 10.0.3 will not run on Hoary
[06:36] <tle> UNLESS u remove 2 files swf***.so in RealPlayer plugins folder
[06:36] <sig> mine plays fine
[06:36] <RuKK> jintxo: should I put single AFTER the boot command or before?
[06:37] <tle> sig: ya?
[06:37] <jintxo> RuKK, at the end. It's an option that you're passing to the kernel
[06:37] <RuKK> mmk, thanks
[06:37] <akk> I found that both mozilla and firefox on hoary crashed a lot, apparently a flash problem.
[06:39] <RuKK> jintxo: doenst work. still boots into runlevel 2 and starts GDM, which leaves me hanging in the same spot with the blinking underscore
[06:39] <RuKK> should I try booting into recovery mode? will not let me not load GDM?
[06:39] <sig> tle: how did you install it?
[06:40] <tritium> RuKK, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[06:40] <reagleBRKLN> the nrd did, who got back at the bully by framing him
[06:40] <topyli> tle: realplayer doesn't support esd, that's all
[06:40] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#realplayer <-- this was a howto from warty
[06:41] <jintxo> RuKK, try it
[06:41] <sig> tle: I did a dist-upgrade from warty to hoary and realplayer still works great
[06:41] <topyli> tle: which is strange, since rp8 sid support it, but rp10 does not while they tried to make it into a nice gnome app
[06:41] <sig> I'd follow that howto tle
[06:41] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#realplayer
[06:41] <drspin> Why do I have "Debian" showing up in my Application menu
[06:41] <drspin> ?
[06:41] <dazed|> the older kernel couldnt reboot cuz it couldnt config xorg ...i think i need to switch back to xfree and that should stop the lockups anyone know what to do for this?
[06:41] <topyli> drspin: the debian menu has all your apps, the gnome menu doesn't
[06:42] <drspin> topyli: great -- how do I get rid of it...
[06:42] <drspin> ?? LOL
[06:42] <tritium> drspin, sounds like you installed "menu"
[06:42] <topyli> drspin: uninstall menu
[06:43] <drspin> tritium: topyli: Thanks guys all better :)
[06:43] <akk> dazed|: That sounds weird, that xorg would require a particular kernel.  What was the message?
[06:43] <tritium> drspin, :)
[06:44] <dazed|> it said "i cant configure x something or other would u like to see a message" i looked at the message about build dates and stuff
[06:44] <topyli> drspin: i think you'll be worse off, but what the hell if that's how you like it :)
[06:44] <dazed|> then it said restart gdm when u have x correctly configured
[06:44] <drspin> I only use the menu for the System menu and the ocassional System Tools
[06:44] <dazed|> i think going back to xfree then going up to xorg might stop these lockups
[06:44] <dazed|> just doing it all right
[06:45] <akk> Sounds a bit extreme.  Switching X servers is harder than switching kernels, usually. :-)
[06:46] <moon> hi room
[06:46] <dazed|> akk, really?? cant just swithch lol
[06:46] <dazed|> cant remove old packages and put new ones in
[06:46] <akk> Well, maybe they can coexist.  I know upgrading from one version of xfree to another was a big deal.
[06:46] <tle> and it'd be nice if someone here know how to fix 640x480 unchanged resolution issue
[06:47] <tle> does any1 know?
[06:47] <Frafra> hi
[06:47] <dazed|> ill give it a try
[06:47] <dazed|> lol prolly fuck something up
[06:47] <dazed|>  :)
[06:47] <SeamusLP> tle:  Check your horizontal sync and your vertical refresh in your xorg.conf.  If it's not set to anything, that could be the problem.
[06:48] <drspin> tle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:48] <drspin> may also help
[06:48] <RuKK> jintxo: actualy, the single thing might work for all I know. grub isnt saving the command in the boot sequence. I hit edit, add a line at the end, make it single, and hit b to boot, it boots but no single command is executed. If I reboot, its not saved there. I was just playing with it and if I add single and then hit esc to go back tot he main grub menu, then hit e to view the commands for booting ubuntu again, its not there
[06:48] <RuKK> so.. how do I make grub save? it doesnt mention anything about saving in the little instruction menu at the bottom?
[06:48] <dazed|> i think that was easy enough?? i think im done
[06:49] <drspin> RuKK: make grub save what
[06:49] <drspin> ?>
[06:49] <RuKK> changes to the boot sequence
[06:50] <jintxo> you don't add a separate line to the command, you just appen " single" to the line that boots your kernel
[06:50] <jintxo> RuKK, ^
[06:50] <drspin> RuKK: so you edited menu.lst right?
[06:50] <RuKK> oh ok
[06:50] <RuKK> yes
[06:50] <drspin> RuKK: update-grub
[06:50] <RuKK> drspin: I wish
[06:50] <Frafra> can I go from ubuntu hoary amd64 to hoary 386? (*no format*)
[06:50] <drspin> RuKK are you wanting to rewrite to the MBR?
[06:50] <jintxo> drspin, he menas from a grub boot prompt
[06:50] <keffo> anyone tried 2.6.11 and it freeze at gnomestartyup?
[06:51] <dazed|> is tehre a command to chekc wich xserver im using to make sure i made the switch right?
[06:51] <RuKK> no. I want ubuntu to start. at all :(
[06:51] <tritium> keffo, 2.6.11 does not have linux-restricted-modules yet
[06:51] <Shinaku> Ok, I know this is a real stupid question
[06:51] <saik0> oing #xfce
[06:51] <fabbione> and never will
[06:51] <fabbione> 2.6.11 is not supported
[06:51] <fabbione> it's an old test snapshot
[06:51] <saik0> yep thats sure not /join
[06:51] <Shinaku> but does Ubuntu have a root password?
[06:52] <tritium> Shinaku, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:52] <topyli> Shinaku: no
[06:52] <Shinaku> 'cause I need to mount a drive
[06:52] <topyli> Shinaku: we all do
[06:53] <zAo^> Shinaku, $sudo mount .. ..
[06:53] <drspin> Shinaku: sudo mount -t type /dev/hdxY /mnt/point
[06:53] <drspin> Shinaku: then use your password
[06:53] <tritium> Shinaku, please read the URL I sent you.
[06:53] <Shinaku> ahh
[06:53] <Shinaku> alright, thats cool
[06:54] <DazeD||laptop> akk iim booting up in the older kernel now and ill tell u the message exactly if i get it again
[06:54] <RuKK> jintxo: beautiful. ok sorry about my stupidity. I've got a root command line :)
[06:54] <RuKK> now, lets see what I can do about xorg.conf :)
[06:54] <Shinaku> ok, I have just mounted it
[06:54] <jintxo> RuKK, now fix your x server :-p
[06:54] <Shinaku> but I dont have permission to look at it
[06:54] <drspin> anyone know how to keep iptables from polluting my dmesg?
[06:55] <Fackamato> when is the restricted modules for 2.6.11 going to be released?
[06:55] <Benjamin_L> is it just my box or haven't there been any updates for hoary or breezy the last few days ?
[06:55] <jintxo> RuKK, maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:55] <topyli> Shinaku: use options to set uid and gid
[06:55] <keffo> ;p
[06:56] <RuKK> found the problem :)
[06:56] <RuKK> its pointing at some weird video card that doenst exist.
[06:56] <RuKK> now, with a combination of lspci -X and vim, hopefully success shall be mine ;D
[06:56] <DazeD||laptop> akk says "i cannot start X server. It is likely it is not setup correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?"
[06:56] <keffo> when teh hell will the restricted modules for 2.6.11 be released :<
[06:57] <thoreauputic> keffo: they won't - get another kernel
[06:57] <drspin> keffo: it won't 2.6.11 is a development kernel...
[06:57] <tritium> keffo, fabbione already said that 2.6.11 won't be supported
[06:57] <akk> DazeD||laptop: Is there anything in the logs?  /var/log/something-related-to-xorg, maybe?
[06:57] <keffo> ok then
[06:58] <DazeD||laptop> nope
[06:58] <RuKK> any idea what driver I would use for a sis 6326 card? :\
[06:58] <RuKK> "sis"?
[06:58] <DazeD||laptop> is there an easy way to revert back to warty...cuz i think thats the only thing that will fix my prob
[07:00] <envel> does anybody installed freetype-2.1.9 in ubuntu hoary?
[07:00] <envel> why it has just freetype 2.1.7?
[07:01] <RuKK> w00t! got it running with vesa driver :)
[07:01] <dcahrakos> where can I get java for ubuntu?
[07:01] <dj_> orale
[07:01] <karltk> have a sec?
[07:02] <dj_> orale carnal
[07:02] <tritium> dcahrakos, Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:02] <dcahrakos> ok, thanks
[07:03] <DazeD||laptop> how do i config xorg?
[07:03] <tritium> DazeD||laptop, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:03] <DazeD||laptop> thanks trans_err
[07:03] <DazeD||laptop> tritium, *
[07:04] <tritium> DazeD||laptop, np.
[07:05] <saik0> I'm stumpted, would anybody happen to know how to change XFCE's default directory for startup scripts from ~/Desktop/Autostart
[07:05] <infinito> does anyone know hot so show volumes on desktop, like warty did??
[07:05] <saik0> to say ~/Desktop/.autostart so that it plays nice with my GNOME Desktop
[07:07] <Hannes_> umm
[07:08] <Hannes_> any knowledge how I could make subtitles larger in totem?
[07:08] <greg> Hey there, i cant get any audio working in VLC Player, any ideas?
[07:08] <Hannes_> greg: sudo apt-get install vlc-plugin-esound
[07:08] <greg> thanks a lot!
[07:08] <Hannes_> and put that as the default sound output plugin
[07:09] <Hannes_> that worked atleast for me
[07:09] <saik0> hey, is it possible to remove sound deamons and just use ALSA?
[07:11] <greg> Hannes_:  Couldn't find package vlc-plugin-esound
[07:11] <cens0red> !ping
[07:11] <cens0red> hi
[07:11] <greg> what repositeory?
[07:11] <gaio> anyone has glossyp theme for gnome, it seems to be no more on gnomedesktop..
[07:11] <cens0red> is there a way I can get kppp on ubuntu?
[07:11] <akk> apt-get?
[07:11] <iGN> Hi! Any simple way to turn off ctrl-alt-backspace-zapping of X in Hoary?
[07:12] <saik0> iGN, why would you want to...?
[07:12] <iGN> I zap X on average 3 times an evening because I'm too lazy to lift the fingers from ctrl-alt.
[07:12] <iGN> My right hand is much faster than my left.
[07:12] <cens0red> akk google for the apt-get howto then?
[07:12] <cens0red> or is there some other package management system I should know the ins and outs of first?
[07:13] <akk> cens0red: man apt-get, or just type apt-get install kppp
[07:13] <akk> (as root)
[07:13] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[07:13] <Hannes_> *vlc-plugin-esd
[07:13] <akk> cens0red: You can probably choose it in synaptic too
[07:13] <cens0red> akk what's my root password? Same as my user password?
[07:14] <drspin> does anyone know how to make firestarter NOT log to syslog??
[07:14] <greg> sudo passwd root
[07:14] <akk> cens0red: Have you looked in synaptic?  If you've never done console stuff, I'd start there.
[07:14] <jnoon> can someone tell me how i get all the normal "encodings" installed?  i keep getting a bunch of funny looking characters in stuff
[07:14] <bwlang> cens0red: it's not set... don't do sudo passwd root... use sudo when you need to do something as root
[07:14] <cens0red> bwlang and the super user is the user I created during the install process?
[07:15] <kbrooks> cens0red, no
[07:15] <guru3> what's the standard sources.list look like?
[07:15] <cens0red> no?
[07:15] <kbrooks> bwlang, anyone can do that
[07:15] <bwlang> cens0red: the user you created during the setup is allowed to do things as root (the superuser) by using sudo
[07:15] <kbrooks> anyone can sudo passwd
[07:15] <drspin> kbrooks: they have to be in the sudoers file
[07:16] <bwlang> kbrooks:
[07:16] <cens0red> bwlang so I should set another passwd for root then?
[07:16] <topyli> cens0red: no. you don't need root at all
[07:16] <bwlang> cens0red: NO - despite bad advice to the contrary .... you should not set a root password
[07:16] <cens0red> ok. So I don't need root.
[07:17] <cens0red> nifty system.
[07:17] <cens0red> just sudo.
[07:17] <kbrooks> no.....
[07:17] <cens0red> I getcha.
[07:17] <bwlang> cens0red: right... it's asfer that way
[07:17] <guru3> anyone, can i please see your sources.list file?
[07:17] <bwlang> cens0red: s/asfer/safer/
[07:17] <bwlang> kbrooks: yes... there is no good reason to set the root password
[07:18] <cens0red> can anybody recommend a small, light, easy to install equivelant to kppp for gnome?
[07:18] <cens0red> I only appear to have about 1ks of bandwidth available for apt-get right now.
[07:18] <greg> anyone know how to get audio in VLC? I instatlled the esd plugin, and nothing!
[07:18] <bwlang> cens0red: uh... wvdial?
[07:18] <bwlang> cens0red: or you could just use the pon poff stuff
[07:19] <cens0red> bwlang is it installed as default, or do I need to apt-get install ?
[07:19] <dcahrakos> what about using the root terminal instead of using sudo?
[07:19] <bwlang> cens0red: not sure about wvdial ... pon is probably there by default
[07:19] <bwlang> dcahrakos: what is a "root terminal"
[07:19] <cens0red> bbiab.
[07:20] <crazyhorsetwo25> how can i set up a vpn???
[07:20] <topyli> guru3: join #flood. but beware, there's "unofficial" stuff. you just want the ubuntu sources
[07:20] <no0tic> hello
[07:20] <kent> guerby, http://leviatan.kicks-ass.org/sources.list
[07:20] <Sauron21> could any tell me the command to run BitTorrent ???
[07:20] <bwlang> crazyhorsetwo25: openswan.org - and be prepared for an adventure
[07:20] <lizdeika> heh. most of the things are so true here: http://mpt.net.nz. Just a pitty most of them belong to gnome
[07:20] <bwlang> Sauron21: btdownload
[07:20] <dcahrakos> it says it opens a terminal as the root user, using gksu to ask for the password, thats Ive been using, since it just asks for the password one time, and it lets you do root stuff without sudo I think...not sure, since im new to ubuntu also...
[07:21] <Sauron21> no....
[07:21] <greg> Sauron21, download azureues
[07:21] <guru3> topyli: ok
[07:21] <ctrler_> can someone tell me how to disable the update monitor?
[07:21] <greg> Azureus
[07:21] <Sauron21> I hate azureus.....(I know that might get some peopleangre...but thats just how things are!!)
[07:22] <bwlang> dcahrakos: oh ... that does sudo gterm  if you're going to do a lot of maintenance work then that can be handy
[07:22] <kbrooks> gterm?
[07:22] <dcahrakos> I just use it to do stuff like make, or stuff like that
[07:22] <bwlang> Sauron21: why does btdownload* not work for you?
[07:22] <dcahrakos> same with using alien, so that way I can still keep it open and not have to use sudo again
[07:23] <bwlang> dcahrakos: make is very dangerous to run as root...  you should be building stuff as a normal user - only install as root
[07:23] <dcahrakos> ah, I see....
[07:23] <thoreauputic> dcahrakos: actually you don't need root for "make" , only for "make install " :)
[07:23] <kent> guru3, you probably already have the sources.list from some one else,  but any way, i saw that i sent my last message to the wrong person. I was for you: leviatan.kicks-ass.org/sources.list
[07:23] <dcahrakos> thats what I meant actually
[07:23] <Sauron21> ~/Programs/Downloads$ btdownload
[07:23] <Sauron21> bash: btdownload: command not found
[07:23] <cowbud> if I am making a union of something that does not exist have anything in one of my columns how can I tell union to make that column NULL?
[07:23] <guru3> kent: thnx
[07:24] <bwlang> dcahrakos: you should spend as little time as possible with root priv.
[07:24] <crazyhorsetwo25> what do i need to do to set up a vpn ubuntu????
[07:24] <Sauron21> I dont know....:'(
[07:24] <dcahrakos> yeah, I only use it when I need to
[07:24] <cowbud> crazyhorsetwo25: pptp worked well for me..
[07:24] <kbrooks> btdownload<tab>
[07:24] <bwlang> Sauron21:oh.. it's btdownloadgui, btdownloadcurses, btdownload...
[07:24] <no0tic> does a dvd containing a snapshot of universe & multiverse repositories for i386 exist?
[07:24] <crazyhorsetwo25> i'm new to ubuntu/linux... more help please...
[07:25] <kbrooks> with?
[07:25] <cens0red> back. neither wvdial nor pon will work, because apparantly I have no such device as "/dev/modem". What do I need to set up?
[07:25] <bwlang> crazyhorsetwo25: i just answered your question... it's out of scope here.  go to www.openswan.org
[07:25] <crazyhorsetwo25> setting up a vpn'
[07:25] <dcahrakos> so, do I use synaptic to install deb packages?
[07:25] <guru3> this should be interesting now... apt-get dist-upgrading from debian 3.0_r4 to hoary...
[07:25] <bwlang> dcahrakos: you can... i prefer aptitude or apt-get myself... but synaptic works just fine
[07:25] <crazyhorsetwo25> i did...not sure what to search for in openswan.org
[07:26] <kbrooks> guru3, IT IS NOT SUPPORTED
[07:26] <bwlang> guru3: i did that a while ago... worked pretty well - but did require some tweakage of apt
[07:26] <Sauron21> btdownloadgui doesnt work....but "btdownloadcurses" works....(but I cant work with that now cant I)
[07:26] <guru3> kbrooks: it's fine, im working on a clean install in an emulator
[07:26] <dcahrakos> ill try apt-get
[07:26] <guru3> bwlang: good to hear
[07:26] <gaio> anyone has glossyp theme for gnome, it seems to be no more on gnomedesktop..
[07:26] <thoreauputic> cens0red: make a link from /dec/ttyS0 or whichever serial port you use to /dev/modem
[07:26] <bwlang> Sauron21: if you don't like the curses mode you won't like the gui either... it's minimalist.... you can get it running by installing the wx libs i think
[07:27] <thoreauputic> cens0red:  ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
[07:27] <thoreauputic> cens0red: that requires sudo, of course
[07:27] <Sauron21> apt-get wxlib(s) ??
[07:27] <cens0red> thoreauputic  aah. Thankyou. That's all I need to do? *is wasting 25cents every time he reconnects*
[07:27] <kbrooks> Sauron21, no
[07:28] <guru3> does ubuntu use tasksel / dselect ?
[07:28] <kbrooks> guru3, does it!
[07:28] <Sauron21> .....then what?
[07:28] <guru3> kbrooks: ?
[07:28] <mxpxpod> is there a reason I can't get the live cd to a higher resolution than 800x600?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> cens0red: should work - make sure it *is* ttyS0 and not, say, ttyS1
[07:29] <spiral> hi
[07:29] <topyli> guru3: if you like, it will
[07:29] <cens0red> thoreauputic according to the "network settings" utility in the System menu, my modem is on /dev/ttyS1. Substitute accordingly?
[07:29] <kbrooks> Sauron21, apt-cache search wx  | grep lib
[07:29] <guru3> topyli: thnx
[07:29] <graabein> i need help configuring my nvidia card...
[07:29] <bwlang> mxpxpod: your hardware may not support it... you could try some of the command line magic
[07:29] <thoreauputic> cens0red: yes
[07:29] <mxpxpod> bwlang: such as...
[07:30] <thoreauputic> cens0red: sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/modem
[07:30] <bwlang> mxpxpod: sorry - i don't know off hand.. but you'll find it in the help at the grub screen F1 i think.
[07:31] <dcahrakos> I tried to install the j2re but now when I open synaptic it cant show any packages and says The package sun-j2re1.5.0 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[07:31] <Sauron21> The only reason I am trying to get BitTorrent to work is that the native bittorrent client is givin' me a hard time with a blacklisted server....(gives my "port 6881 is blacklisted").....if some could tell me what the hell to do with that.....I would have to worrie about BitTorrent.....
[07:31] <thoreauputic> cens0red: also make sure the user is in dialout and dip groups
[07:31] <ctrler_> can someone tell me how to disable the update monitor?
[07:31] <graabein> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:31] <graabein> anyone??
[07:31] <thoreauputic> cens0red: and I would suggest using the pppconfig utility to set up the connection
[07:31] <apple_> yes good question
[07:32] <bwlang> dcahrakos: you'll have to build that package yourself using the script  make-jpkg from java-package and sun's tgz file that you download manually
[07:32] <apple_> graabein,  GLX is a module for server x
[07:32] <ReleaseX> hello all
[07:32] <topyli> hrm. guinness in a can is not quite the real thing :(
[07:32] <apple_> it is not required
[07:33] <bwlang> ctrler_: i dont' know what that means...
[07:33] <xukun> I need to burn an iso image which is about 702mb but it says: Please replace the disc in the drive with a blank disc, with at least 702 MiB free. I,m using 700mb blank cd-r
[07:33] <graabein> apple_: yes, i've followed the unofficial guide and i try to run neverball... it ran reeeaaal slow
[07:33] <xukun> normaly this should work even if the cd is only 700
[07:33] <bwlang> xukun: sounds like you need different media... or your iso file is corrupted
[07:33] <apple_> glx make my computer crash when i launch xmame if activated
[07:34] <ctrler_> bwlang, the update icon that appears in the notification area
[07:34] <ctrler_> it keeps says two updates available
[07:34] <xukun> bwlang, no and no, any other idea?
[07:34] <topyli> xukun: maybe nautilus thinks it's impossible
[07:34] <bwlang> xukun: nope... i don't know why you think 702M will fit into 700M...
[07:35] <topyli> if that's what you're using
[07:35] <apple_> lol
[07:35] <bwlang> ctrler_: i understand what you mean... but i'm not sure how to disable it... you could try removing it?
[07:35] <dcahrakos> bwlang, well, what I did, was download sun-j2re1.5.0_01-2_i386.deb from a website, but it wouldnt install or something, and it messed up
[07:35] <xukun> is there other good burning software that I can use?
[07:35] <xukun> topyli, hmm
[07:36] <thoreauputic> xukun: gnomebaker
[07:36] <bwlang> dcahrakos: you don't want to go downloading debs from random places... make-jpkg is pretty easy
[07:36] <xukun> thoreauputic, thanks
[07:36] <ctrler_> bwlang, i dont even know whats the name of the app
[07:36] <dcahrakos> it was from a place in the ubuntu wiki
[07:36] <dr_willis> i just installed java by following the instructions at the ubuntuguide.org.
[07:36] <dcahrakos> ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/binary/ thats where I got it from
[07:37] <topyli> xukun: if you're in a hurry, just write a cdrecord command line
[07:37] <graabein> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" / neverball: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[07:37] <bwlang> ctrler_: dpkg -l update -> ii  update-manager      0.37.1+svn20050404. GNOME application that manages apt updates
[07:37] <graabein> what do i do??
[07:37] <bwlang> ii  update-notifier     0.38.11             Daemon which notifies about package updates
[07:37] <mindmedic> graabein, did you edit your xorg to use nvidia driver?
[07:38] <bwlang> dcahrakos: it's not that hard to build it yourself... - then you know it's correct
[07:38] <xukun> topyli, cdrecord he? than I need to read  the man pages
[07:38] <apple_> Load "GLX" in module section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:38] <dcahrakos> alright...
[07:38] <graabein> i've got glx as a module... do i have to put "nv" in modules as well?
[07:38] <topyli> xukun: heh. just go straight to the examples in the end. then find the allow-overburn option
[07:38] <ctrler_> thank u
[07:39] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[07:39] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody here know where the x.org buildroot is on the filesystem?
[07:39] <pmjdebruijn> i'm trying to compile the VIA ProSavage DDR 2D/3D driver
[07:40] <dr_willis> graabein,  nv is normally replaced by 'nvidia' in the 'drivers' section - to get nvidia 3d support going. not loaded in the modules section.
[07:40] <apple_> no graabein
[07:40] <topyli> xukun: any man page, press / and search for EXAMPLES
[07:41] <graabein> dr_willis: i've got no "drivers" section in xorg.conf!
[07:41] <topyli> xukun: advice i learned from the lazy masters
[07:41] <goldfish> ffs
[07:41] <goldfish> What is it with these dcc sends on this network?
[07:41] <linux|fly> when ubuntu shipped
[07:41] <linux|fly> ?
[07:41] <xukun> topyli, thanks topyli
[07:41] <apple_> need an open port for each dcc send
[07:42] <cnes0red> ok I'm back.
[07:42] <cnes0red> next, how do I get some decent fonts? The ones I see in xchat are utterly sucky.
[07:43] <graabein> my xorg.conf sections are: Files, Module, InputDevice, Device, Monitor, Screen, ServerLayout, DRI
[07:43] <cnes0red> I honestly can't distinguish , from .
[07:43] <bwlang> cnes0red: msttcorefonts, ttf-freefont
[07:43] <cnes0red> bwlang apt-get them?
[07:43] <bwlang> cnes0red: yup
[07:43] <dcahrakos> im looking at the wiki, and it says to use
[07:43] <dcahrakos> sudo apt-get install java-package java-common fakeroot
[07:43] <dcahrakos> but that says the java-package doesnt exist unless there is a name for it...
[07:44] <cnes0red> bwlang I should $apt-get install msttcorefonts
[07:44] <goldfish> apple_: I mean, I keep getting dcc sends requests of "f + f + f ..... " [0.0.0.0]  port 0
[07:44] <cnes0red> then $apt-get install ttf-freefont
[07:44] <cnes0red> ?
[07:44] <CarlK> how do I fugre out what to apt-get to get autoconf, libtool and automake? (apt-cache show didn;t show anything helpful)
[07:44] <thoreauputic> cnes0red: have you looked in xchat preferences >>s ettings >> textbox  >> fonts
[07:45] <cnes0red> thoreauputic *nod nod* don't see anything I like. Mind u I did set the dpi to 80 in gnome fonts. Bad move?
[07:45] <topyli> dcahrakos: java-pagage is there all right, origin: ubuntu
[07:45] <cnes0red> the fonts all seemed so biiig and blocky on my 1024x768 resolution.
[07:45] <thoreauputic> cnes0red: don't know - I haven't messed with dpi settings
[07:45] <apple_> me too, it why im in 1280*1024
[07:46] <Blissex> cnes0red: the DPI should be set to the real DPI of your screen.
[07:46] <dcahrakos> grr, now I keep getting the
[07:46] <dcahrakos> The package sun-j2re1.5.0 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[07:46] <dcahrakos> and doesnt even tell me it doesnt exist now
[07:46] <akk> cnes0red: Where's that dpi set for gnome fonts?
[07:46] <thoreauputic> cnes0red: did you ppp configuration work?
[07:46] <cnes0red> Blissex how can I determine the dpi of my screen ?
[07:46] <thoreauputic> xdpyinfo ?
[07:46] <cnes0red> thoreauputic seems to thanx. set up an /etc/wvdial.conf file. And it's much better now than it was before.
[07:47] <Blissex> cnes0red: measure the width of your screen in inches, divide the numbers of pixels by that.
[07:47] <cnes0red> akk currently I have it set to 82dpi. not good?
[07:47] <graabein> hmmm... maybe i found it... Section "Device" Driver "nv"
[07:47] <Blissex> cnes0red: depends on what is the real DPI of your screen.
[07:47] <Nigelenki> Jesus.
[07:47] <Nigelenki> Sphere crystal is quite possibly the ugliest theme ever
[07:47] <Blissex> cnes0red: and a little annoying misfeature in X.
[07:47] <thoreauputic> cnes0red: mine is 78 it seems
[07:47] <dr_willis> graabein,  the 'ubuntuguide.org' site has some info on getting the nvidia driver working.
[07:47] <akk> cnes0red: No, I was just asking where it was set.  Though if your fonts are the wrong size, then yeah, it's probably not the best setting.
[07:48] <graabein> dr_willis: i've followed the steps there and rebooted, but i still got the error starting neverball
[07:48] <mxpxpod> are there going to be _any_ updates to hoary besides security?  like metacity 2.10.1 or other gnome updates?
[07:48] <cnes0red> blissex 1024 pix/ 12 inches = 85.333
[07:48] <graabein> dr_willis: it ran real slow before i did the guide-steps and now it won't start at all
[07:48] <topyli> dcahrakos: well, i have sun-j2re1.5, not 1.5.0. but then again, it depends which java you build :)
[07:49] <dr_willis> graabein,  what does 'glxinfo' do for you? the other day i had a working setup. and would get the nvidia logo.. then after some update/somthing - some how it broke.
[07:49] <graabein> dr_willis: i've got nvidia geforce 6600gt
[07:49] <denver> when i apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[07:49] <mijenix> how can I update my 4.10 to the new 5 one?
[07:49] <bwlang> mxpxpod: that's what the next release is for...
[07:49] <Blissex> cnes0red: so it should be OK, but there is a terrible little misfeature; if you are using standard bitmaps X fonts, the X server forces the DPI to be either 100 or 75, even if the screen is 85DPI.
 cnes0red: No, I was just asking where it was set.  Though if your fonts are the wrong size, then yeah, it's probably not the best setting.// it was set on 100dpi
[07:49] <denver> i still get an error about there being no ncurses when i try to make menuconfig
[07:49] <mxpxpod> bwlang: breezy?
[07:49] <pmjdebruijn> Package kernel-source is not available, but is reffered to by another package... does anybody here know how to fix that?
[07:49] <mijenix> apt-get update and apt-get upgrade doesn't work
[07:49] <graabein> dr_willis: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:49] <dr_willis> graabein,  i belive there was some mess up in the location of the various glx modules/libraries. at last theat what the X logs seemed to imply.
[07:50] <bwlang> denver: you need libncurses5-dev i think
[07:50] <cnes0red> Blissex so I should download some funkier fonts with apt-get ?
[07:50] <denver> bwlang, that is what i installed
[07:50] <bwlang> mxpxpod: yeah - i think so
[07:50] <denver> when i apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[07:50] <dr_willis> graabein,  check the x logs for more details then that. :P my glxinfo would spit out some errors then core-dump :P
[07:50] <Blissex> cnes0red: depends on which ones you are using.
[07:50] <pmjdebruijn> mijenix: apt-get update doesn't didn't try upgrade
[07:50] <bwlang> denver: try logging out and logging back in
[07:50] <cnes0red> Blissex how do I tell which font package I'm using?
[07:50] <denver> bwlang, done that
[07:50] <Sauron21> ..
[07:50] <denver> i even restarted
[07:50] <graabein> same happened here dr_willis. i'll see if i can find the x logs... uh, where do i look?
[07:50] <denver> just for the hell of it
[07:51] <dr_willis> graabein,  /var/log
[07:51] <Blissex> cnes0red: the bad news is that depends on which application you are using.
[07:51] <dr_willis> graabein,  i ended up just reinstalling. :P
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> mijenix: upgrade doesn't fix it either
[07:51] <Blissex> cnes0red: for GNOME applications, look at the control panel.
[07:51] <mijenix> pmjdebruijn: yo i did update and upgrade
[07:51] <bwlang> denver: did you try running ldconfig?
[07:51] <denver> yes
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> mijenix: oh right :s
[07:52] <bwlang> denver: ii  libncurses5    5.4-4          Shared libraries for terminal handling
[07:52] <bwlang> ii  libncurses5-de 5.4-4          Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses
[07:52] <cnes0red> Blissex where is the control panel?
[07:52] <bwlang> denver: do you have both?
[07:52] <denver> no
[07:53] <Coutsos> could anybody recommend a free and easy to use dns update client?
[07:53] <Blissex> cnes0red: in the main menu, may be called ''Settings'' or something similar.
[07:53] <CarlK> Coutsos - I just did that 5 days ago
[07:53] <graabein> dr_willis: i don't know what i'm looking for...
[07:53] <CarlK> Coutsos - apt-get install bind9, the nsupdate command is what you want
[07:53] <green_earz> denver: you have installed kernel-package ?
[07:53] <denver> green_earz, no sir i haven't
[07:53] <Coutsos> CarlK: did i already ask this??
[07:54] <CarlK> Coutsos - wait.. mightr not be bind9...
[07:54] <denver> i guess i could just compile this on another machine
[07:54] <apple_> what the hell with the ressource at 70% when moving a gnome window O.o ???
[07:54] <denver> that doesn't run this god awful distro
[07:54] <imPULSIV> kubuntu
[07:54] <imPULSIV> hurra
[07:54] <imPULSIV> :)
[07:54] <bwlang> denver: yea ... it's the distro's fault that you didn't install the dependencies...
[07:55] <CarlK> Coutsos -the nsupdate command is what you want - not sure what package it is in
[07:55] <denver> bwlang, exactly
[07:55] <ctrler_> Coutsos, try inadyn
[07:55] <dr_willis> graabein,  heh  - mine mentioned some .a files not found.. which lead me to belive that somthing dident get installed to the right places.. so i gave up and just reinstalled. :P
[07:55] <dr_willis> well bbl.
[07:55] <ubuntu_> hi
[07:55] <ctrler_> its a dyndns updater, dont know if thats what you want
[07:55] <imPULSIV> sry this is the english channel huh?
[07:55] <ubuntu_> question
[07:55] <imPULSIV> ask
[07:55] <Coutsos> will it run automatically, to update whenever my ip changes?
[07:55] <imPULSIV> :)
[07:55] <graabein> oh well... anyone else?
[07:55] <graabein> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[07:56] <ctrler_> Coutsos, yes, but for that u have to put it in rc2.d with a script
[07:56] <imPULSIV> started talking in german so sorry @ all here
[07:56] <ctrler_> if u want pvt me and ill tell you how
[07:56] <ctrler_> mine works perfectly
[07:56] <CarlK> Coutsos - http://linux.yyz.us/nsupdate
[07:56] <imPULSIV> leaving for german channel
[07:56] <kbrooks> -de
[07:56] <Arnia> +cy
[07:56] <graabein> computer liebe
[07:56] <kbrooks> #ubuntu-de
[07:57] <ubuntu_> I am moving a Hard disk with Ubuntu on it from one computer to another.  The previous one had WIndows Xp on it.  This one has windows ME on the first Hard drive.  What do I need to do to get it to load the second hard disk?
[07:57] <Arnia> cy is more fun ;)
[07:57] <ubuntu_> I am currently on a livecd
[07:58] <CarlK> ubuntu_ - what is "it" in "get it to load " ?
[07:58] <akk> ubuntu_: You need a boot loader that knows about linux on the disk you'll boot from; or else boot from a CD or floppy.
[07:58] <apple_> grub powa ^^
[07:58] <jd> my bootloader is on a floppy - works fine
[07:58] <denver> thank you green_earz i did overlook installing kernel-package
[07:58] <ubuntu_> I have 2 hard drives.
[07:58] <green_earz> np
[07:58] <ubuntu_> boot loader to load linux or windows
[07:59] <ErikHK> howcan i configure my soundcard?? alsaconf and alsamixer doesn't work :S
[07:59] <ubuntu_> thank you
[07:59] <dazed> these stupid lockups are gettin on my nerves
[08:00] <bwlang> ErikHK: doesn't work is not informative enough... are your sure your card is supported by alsa?
[08:01] <ErikHK> bwlang, it's a ISA soundcard and really hard to configure, but alsaconf just says, command not found
[08:01] <graabein> dr_willis, looks like i have the same problem you had... trying some stuff now, thanks for the var/log tip!
[08:02] <apple_> launch your isntall disk, and when you are in the window where you need to partition your disk, ALT+F2 and enter. mkdir /ubuntu, fdisk -l /dev/hdb, mount /dev/hdbX /ubuntu, chroot /ubuntu, cd /boot/grub, nano menu.lst and config it, CTRL+x save, grub, root(hdX) setup(hd0) reboot
[08:02] <CarlK> there is a web site that helps figure out what package contains what programs -, kinda like rpmfind.net but for ubuntu - anyone know it?
[08:03] <frank> How do the distributions work?  Hoary gets only security and bug fixes  while Breezy gets the newest and the unstablest?
[08:03] <dr_willis> actually i think i saw a similre thing at the debian site. but its not ubuntu specific. but it be close.
[08:03] <thoreauputic> packages.ubuntulinux.org ?
[08:04] <CarlK> packages.ubuntulinux.org - no such thing
[08:04] <tgist> set up a nfs server running hoary. Now I want to sync users IDs etc. on the other PCs to those o the server. WHat's the best way of doing it?
[08:04] <apple_> i think the team of ubuntu take some week of sleep lol
[08:04] <bwlang> ErikHK: are you sure it's not the shell saying that alsaconf is not found?
[08:05] <bwlang> frank: hoary gets security updates... breezy is under development.
[08:05] <CoffeemanPuto> theres no site that i can see ubuntu packages ???
[08:05] <thoreauputic> CarlK, yeah, so I see sorry - it's something like that though
[08:05] <kbrooks> who here is pming me
[08:06] <ErikHK> bwlang, what did I say? :P
[08:06] <thoreauputic> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:06] <ErikHK> oh, yeah :P
[08:06] <thoreauputic> CarlK: ^^^
[08:07] <CarlK> thats the one!
[08:07] <CarlK> thanks.
[08:07] <drspin> anyone good at creating rules for syslog,conf?
[08:07] <frank> bwlang: For example, will there be any new version changes for any packages in hoary?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> CoffeemanPuto: the url I just pasted might be what you want
[08:07] <CarlK> I got distracted at http://planet.ubuntulinux.org
[08:07] <ErikHK> does it exist a .deb package for alsa-drivers ??
[08:07] <CoffeemanPuto> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:08] <thoreauputic> no problem :)
[08:08] <guru3> seems like my apt-get dist-upgrade to hoary has worked
[08:08] <dazed> im so bored :(
[08:08] <CoffeemanPuto>  i have a big issue... I tested Ubuntu LiveCD and i can get 1920x1200 resolution... Using the same xorg.conf i have black holes on the side of the screen... any ideas ???
[08:08] <CoffeemanPuto> on gentoo :p
[08:08] <drspin> ctrler_: killall update-notifier
[08:09] <drspin> WOW -- that was old
[08:09] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: ??? u have on ubuntu xorg 1920x1200 and on Gentoo Linux not?
[08:09] <CoffeemanPuto> yeah... can you belive ?
[08:10] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: but than you're wrong here :)
[08:10] <CoffeemanPuto> i already ask on #gentoo :)
[08:10] <CoffeemanPuto> im just trying to ask for you guys ;)
[08:10] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: ok...gentoo has xorg-6.8.2-r1
[08:11] <CoffeemanPuto> \sh, xorg-x11 6.8.2-r1
[08:12] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: same version on ubuntu
[08:12] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: wrong screen detected?
[08:12] <CoffeemanPuto> gentoo giveme big black holes on the side of the screen... just like hmz mis configuration
[08:12] <CoffeemanPuto> \sh, well im using the same xorg.conf from ubuntu
[08:12] <SeamusLP> CoffeemanPuto:  The problem is that you're using gentoo ;)
[08:13] <CoffeemanPuto> SeamusLP, no flame :)
[08:13] <dazed> whats everyone up to today?
[08:13] <CoffeemanPuto> SeamusLP, maybe i will change for ubuntu, but first i need to some this problem :)
[08:13] <saik0> OK, I cant seem to get  a difinitive answer on this at all. How would I remove all sound daemons and just use ALSA?
[08:13] <dcaba> how install ndiswrapper to amd 64
[08:13] <CoffeemanPuto> SeamusLP, otherwise i will become mad
[08:14] <\sh> SeamusLP: no it's not :) it's something else
[08:14] <bendeniz> hi all.. how to stop my x server? thanks
[08:14] <guru3> what's the default package management tool in ubuntu for managing groups of packages?
[08:14] <SeamusLP> CoffeemanPuto:  Used gentoo myself a couple months ago.  By the way, are you using the same drivers as the LiveCD?
[08:14] <\sh> guru3: hu?
[08:14] <apple_> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[08:14] <CoffeemanPuto> SeamusLP, nv driver
[08:14] <guru3> what do you use besides apt to manage getting packages in ubuntu
[08:15] <CoffeemanPuto> SeamusLP, same xorg.conf
[08:15] <\sh> dpkg
[08:15] <SeamusLP> But the same version of the nv driver?
[08:15] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: ah u checked the version?
[08:15] <guru3> is there something like tasksel for debian?
[08:15] <CoffeemanPuto> \sh, ?
[08:15] <CoffeemanPuto> \sh, nv from the xorg-6.8.2
[08:16] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: so without nvidia driver only the nv driver from xorg...u sure?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> guru3: yes, it's called tasksel :)
[08:16] <CoffeemanPuto> \sh, yes...
[08:17] <guru3> well, i ran tasksel but it didn't do anything...
[08:17] <mainer> guru3: could use apt,aptitude,synaptic
[08:17] <thoreauputic> guru3: it's in the universe repo
[08:17] <guru3> what's synaptic?
[08:17] <SeamusLP> CoffeemanPuto:  If you're using the same exact version I'm hard pressed to find what the exact problem is.  Perhaps a solution would be to try the binary drivers?
[08:18] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: without trying out i can't say anything...thing is, i had both on my laptop and the two reacting the same
[08:18] <thoreauputic> guru3: universe also has a gnome-tasksel apparently
[08:18] <ctrler_> how can i stop diskwrites every 5 seconds?
[08:18] <CoffeemanPuto> SeamusLP, i already try binary drives... like nvidia itself.
[08:18] <CoffeemanPuto> \sh, yeah, this is so strange :(
[08:19] <SeamusLP> CoffeemanPuto:  You weren't having the same problem, were you?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> guru3: synaptic is the GUI frontend to apt
[08:19] <CoffeemanPuto> SeamusLP, my resolution become very LARGE :p
[08:20] <cowbud> what is the buzz with updates going in to breezy or hoary or what? There have been no updates for like two weeks I am going through withdrawals
[08:20] <guru3> hmmmm
[08:20] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: thats the reason xorg internal nv driver and nvidias running different DPIs
[08:20] <guru3> aptitude seems nice
[08:20] <cens0red> hmm,
[08:20] <CoffeemanPuto> \sh, and what can i do ?
[08:20] <nikos> hi
[08:21] <thoreauputic> cowbud: breezy is just starting, hoary is frozen/stable
[08:21] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: u r working with xdm/gdm/kdm?
[08:21] <graabein> hi. how do i quit x to the console without gdm starting
[08:21] <CoffeemanPuto> \sh, xinit > fluxbox
[08:21] <guru3> gee, i hope i don't run out of diskspace OO
[08:21] <graabein> i need to reinstall my nvidia drivers
[08:21] <dos000> anyone know why df -h reports 4.7g total for my mounted /opt partition but when i looked in cfdisk i see 35G total ? i did mkfs.reiserfs to format it.
[08:21] <dos000> i am using hoary.
[08:21] <thoreauputic> graabein: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:22] <abrasif_> hi guys
[08:22] <graabein> allright, ill give it a go
[08:22] <dazed> y0
[08:22] <dazed> god linux owns so much anu
[08:22] <dazed> s
[08:22] <\sh> then go to /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc and change the dpi
[08:23] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: so startx then startx -- -dpi <your dpi>
[08:23] <abrasif_> is there a place a can see the list of package for ubuntu 5.04?
[08:23] <\sh> CoffeemanPuto: the default for ubuntu is 100
[08:23] <CoffeemanPuto> ook...
[08:23] <\sh> abrasif_: packages.ubuntu.com and search ;)
[08:24] <thoreauputic> abrasif_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:24] <SeamusLP> abrasif_:  I like to use synaptic to browse packages, but packages.ubuntu.com is also nice
[08:24] <CoffeemanPuto> 5 minutes
[08:24] <abrasif_> \sh: thx, emmm... i could have guest =P
[08:24] <cikilin> wnat some help
[08:25] <Somebody_> Hello
[08:25] <Somebody_> I just got my scanner working!
[08:26] <Somebody_> Only 1 app away from not needing windows
[08:26] <cikilin> help!i put another hard and ubuntu does not start
[08:26] <Dr_Jekyll> hi
[08:26] <Somebody_> But I can only seem to scan with root, any ideas why?
[08:26] <SeamusLP> What would that be, Somebody_?
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Somebody_: which app is that?
[08:26] <guru3> Somebody_: device permissions?
[08:26] <AndyR> lo all
[08:26] <Somebody_> I can only scan with scanimage, and GIMP xscanimage when root
[08:27] <cikilin> why if i put another hard and ubuntu does not start
[08:27] <guru3> Somebody_: what device is the scanner in /dev ?
[08:27] <kbrooks> hard what?
[08:27] <Dr_Jekyll> i have problems with the 'nvidia' video-driver since upgrading to hoary
[08:28] <dazed> Dr_Jekyll theres a great forum post on it
[08:28] <Somebody_> guru3, I'm not quite sure :S. I don't have a parport0, and I'm guessing lp0?
[08:28] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, did you follow the instructions on the wiki ?
[08:28] <Dr_Jekyll> xorg doesn't even start with 'nvidia-glx', only way is to use the official nidia-installer
[08:28] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: indeed
[08:28] <guru3> Somebody_: lp0 sounds right
[08:28] <guru3> do an ls -l on it
[08:28] <kbrooks> cikilin, donnt pm me please
[08:28] <Amelaye> hi
[08:28] <cikilin> k
[08:28] <kbrooks> ls -l /dev/lp0
[08:28] <Amelaye> how can i find themes for ubuntu plz ?
[08:28] <blackfeet> hi
[08:28] <Dr_Jekyll> but with the installer, gl only works directly after installing, after rebooting i get a 'memory access error'
[08:28] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, you have to add the nvidia module to /etc/modules and modprobe nvidia before trying to restart xorg
[08:28] <dazed> Amelaye:  ubuntu uses gnome so try googling gnome themes
[08:29] <SeamusLP> cikilin:  Valknut been working out well for you?
[08:29] <Somebody_> crw-rw----  1 root lp 6, 0 2005-04-14 03:53 /dev/lp0
[08:29] <thoreauputic> Somebody_: ls -l /dev/lp0 will tell you access permissions
[08:29] <thoreauputic> oops
[08:29] <Amelaye> ok dazed
[08:29] <Amelaye> wich versions DazeD ?
[08:29] <cikilin> yes thank you
[08:29] <Dr_Jekyll> i added the nvidia-module LinuxJones, maybe the old module (or driver) wasn't uninstalled properly?
[08:29] <kbrooks> Somebody_, add yourself to the lp group
[08:29] <Somebody_> thoreauputic, and would I then just change the permissions?
[08:29] <cikilin> now i have another pb
[08:29] <Somebody_> kbrooks, sorry, how would I do that?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> Somebody_: what kbrooks just said
[08:29] <guru3> Somebody_: chmod 666 /dev/lp0
[08:30] <guru3> hmmm
[08:30] <guru3> that might work as well
[08:30] <kbrooks> guru3, NO NO NO NO NO
[08:30] <Dr_Jekyll> DazeD|: which forum? official?
[08:30] <guru3> what kbrooks said
[08:30] <thoreauputic> guru3: no
[08:30] <guru3> sorry, sorry, im used to old beatup distros
[08:30] <thoreauputic> Somebody_: adduser user lp
[08:30] <kbrooks> guru3, the permissions are volatile
[08:30] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, you just add nvidia to /etc/modules file. Try sudo modprobe nvidia in console and startx it should work
[08:30] <thoreauputic> where user is you
[08:30] <Somebody_> Thanks thoreauputic
[08:30] <blackfeet> i installed mail-notification, which was no proble, i was also able to configure it at first start, but than i get an error wich contains "failed to find module 'libatk-bridge'" i searched google about that problem and found out that i dont have liatk-bridge in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 does somebody know where to get it?
[08:31] <ubuntu_> hola
[08:31] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: i am using the 'nvidia' driver atm, but when running glxgears or other gl-prgrams, i get an memory access error (i don't get this error _directly_ after the install, when first running xorg with new driver)
[08:31] <nnonix> Anyone care to school me on how to get Mplayer working with esd where "mplayer -ao help" yields no esd option?
[08:32] <jovitu> :)
[08:32] <Somebody_> I still can only scan with root :(
[08:32] <Somebody_> Maybe I'll have to restart or something
[08:32] <Dr_Jekyll> 'nvidia' only runs with the installer, with nvidia-glx per apt-get it doesn't work at all
[08:32] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, you remembered to add glx and remove dri and glcore modules from loading ?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Somebody_: log out and in
[08:32] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: yep, before upgrading to hoary it worked perfectly
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Somebody_: the group will take effect when you log in
[08:33] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, what kernel are you running atm "uname -r"
[08:33] <bhna> Somebody_: scanner group
[08:33] <kbrooks> ok
[08:33] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: 2.6.10-5-386
[08:34] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: i heard the newest 2.6.10 doesn#t have restricted modules?! (but thats 2.6.10-8 afaik)
[08:34] <crimsun> -8 ? Where is this -8 coming from?
[08:35] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, I am running 2.6.10-5-k7 and everyting seems ok for me
[08:35] <Coffeeman> sh: now my X can see 1920 but my kdm cant... :)
[08:36] <sig> how can a person tell if a certain package is part of 'universe' component of Ubuntu
[08:36] <Fhigo> oh hell.. is this the official channel?
[08:36] <MrParker> AHHH can someone help me? :P
[08:36] <crimsun> sig: apt-cache policy package
[08:36] <topyli> LinuxJones: micosoft spel cheka vor sale. vorks grate!
[08:36] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: how to deinstall the nvidia-stuff completely? remove nvidia-glx, and delete the module in /lib/modules/, anything else?
[08:37] <Alinux> someone has gnomemeeting with a cam...I wnt to test
[08:37] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: maybe some pieces from the old, working warty driver are left somewhere
[08:37] <LinuxJones> sig, you can check in sypatic or use apt-cache show packagename | grep Filename
[08:37] <LinuxJones> topyli, :)
[08:37] <Lefungus> hello
[08:38] <Lefungus> is there a speedy terminal, not too low-tech, around for gnome ?
[08:38] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, in synaptic right click nvidia-glx and select mark for complete removal
[08:38] <crimsun> Lefungus: gnome-terminal doesn't suit you?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> sig: also try apt-cache policy <package>
[08:38] <topyli> Lefungus: aterm or xterm once you set it up
[08:38] <Dr_Jekyll> <  crimsun> -8 ? Where is this -8 coming from? <-- dunno if it's -8, but its >-5, and i read in ubuntu-forum that the newest kernel doesn't have the needed restricted-modules, but since i dont run that
[08:39] <Lefungus> refresh rate is slow with gnome terminal
[08:39] <topyli> yeah, it's a dog
[08:39] <crimsun> Lefungus: try rxvt-unicode
[08:39] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: i use apt-get, but that should not matter, should it?
[08:39] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[08:39] <Fl-i-nT> hi all
[08:39] <Lefungus> ok, i'll check all those
[08:39] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, then it would be apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx
[08:40] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: ah, thanks, --purge it the more forced version of normal removal?
[08:40] <nufan> Anyone here on Breezy yet?
[08:40] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, it will remove config files and associated packages jsut be sure to keep an eye on other packages that may be removed as well :)
[08:41] <nufan> No?
[08:42] <Dr_Jekyll> <--- afk, brb after another try of installing nvidia drv
[08:45] <LinuxJones> nufan, I don't think it's going to be released for a few weeks yet
[08:45] <LinuxJones> ugh
[08:45] <Kishu> hey
[08:46] <Kishu> How can I make it so that I can copy/rename files etc without having to go into console and do it with sudo?
[08:46] <sheeep> how can i enable direct rendering ?
[08:46] <sheeep> (i have ati)
[08:47] <dr_willis> thers an X config option I belive.  I recall the ubuntu wiki had a little section on getting ati going.
[08:47] <dr_willis> i was able to get my 9700pro working decently well. and easially.
[08:48] <topyli> sheeep: install driver, enable it in xorg.conf, restart X, pray
[08:48] <sheeep> ok, how do i install the driver .. ?
[08:48] <sheeep> (on gentoo it was emerge ati-drivers :) )
[08:48] <LinuxJones> Kishu, unless you own the files it's best to just use sudo for renaming/copying files
[08:49] <LinuxJones> sheeep, search the website for bianary drivers there's a howto
[08:49] <dr_willis> sheeep,  add the righs sources and its just about as simple. i cant recall the exact url/howto at the ubuntu docs pages however..
[08:49] <dr_willis> binary drivers - thats it. :P
[08:49] <topyli> sheeep: it's called something like xorg-driver-flgrxfgqrcm. or probably a little different, but you can apt-get it
[08:50] <sheeep> ah, ok
[08:50] <sheeep> 10x
[08:50] <sheeep> um, one more question
[08:50] <Alinux> hello someone who wants to test with me gnomemeeting... it's my firs time..???
[08:50] <Kishu> LinuxJones, it's just that I'm getting tired to have to do the sudo command each time I want to change anything on all my ext3 partitions...
[08:51] <sheeep> i have my net card set in windows on static IP, with the router's address as gateway, how come it only works as DHCP on linux ?
[08:51] <Kishu> LinuxJones, because of this I also can't copy files using the graphical thing, I have to open the terminal and type the command for it
[08:51] <topyli> Kishu: install mc so you can just do 'sudo mc' and you have a nice rooted file manager so you can screw up your filesystem :)
[08:51] <dr_willis> i would tguess the network card isent configured right. or dns server or somthing similer.
[08:51] <Lefungus> Kishu, sudo su
[08:51] <LinuxJones> Kishu, what types of files do you need to change ?
[08:52] <Alinux> hello someone who wants to test with me gnomemeeting... it's my firs time..???
[08:52] <geppy> Has anyone in here tried GCfilms? (it's like rhythmbox or f-spot for films)
[08:53] <Kishu> Well, last time I just wanted to copy a few maps with some music from my FAT32 partition to a EXT3 partition at /mnt/hd1
[08:53] <cens0red> hi again.
[08:53] <goonie> Help.. I upgraded from warty to hoary and now my keyboard layout wont work... chose icelandic but it is all borky.... and xmms hangs when i try to play mp3 files
[08:53] <Feugan> hi all. I'm looking for kernel sources for Ubuntu. Anyone able to point me in the right direction?
[08:53] <crimsun> goonie: change xmms to use the esound output
[08:53] <Kishu> Is there a way to make it so that I own all the files on a specific partition, so that I can just use the graphical interface to move/copy files etc?
[08:54] <crimsun> Feugan: hoary? aptitude install linux-tree-2.6.10
[08:54] <cens0red> I have a spare ext2 partition on another drive. Would these instructions work the same for ext2 as they would for vfat? http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[08:54] <Feugan> Also are kernel sources the same as kernel headers?
[08:54] <geppy> Kishu: sudo chown -R USERNAME /MOUNTPOINT
[08:54] <geppy> Feugan: No.
[08:54] <LinuxJones> Kishu, you just have to change the premissions on directory that your copying the files to.
[08:54] <crimsun> Feugan: no, kernel headers (linux-headers in ubuntu) are a subset of kernel sources (linux-source)
[08:54] <Coffeeman> sh: now my X is in 1920x1200 but my kde is too big... :p
[08:54] <Coffeeman> can you help ?
[08:54] <omni_lonnie> sheeep: I had the same problem.... my "broadcast" was wrong, so I added a "broadcast" eth0's section in the /etc/network/interfaces file and now it's all good :)
[08:54] <Coffeeman> . \sh: now my X is in 1920x1200 but my kde is too big... :p
[08:55] <cens0red> i.e, is this a good way to mount an ext2 partition in fstab? : /dev/hdb5       /mnt/storage  ext2    umask=000       0       0
[08:55] <sheeep> ok, 10x
[08:55] <\sh> Coffeeman: what dpi?
[08:55] <Coffeeman> . \sh i think after i fixit i will change to ubuntu :)
[08:55] <sheeep> omni_lonnie: bcast should be as router's address ?
[08:55] <Dark3Lite> hey..whenever I try to play and mp3 in ubuntu
[08:55] <mainer> feugan: kernel source is everything ,headers and kernel-image are part of source
[08:55] <Coffeeman> . \sh well i couldint find the file that you talk, i made some changes on my xorg.... the X is perfect, but not kdm
[08:56] <crimsun> (it's linux-image, linux-headers, and linux-source in ubuntu)
[08:56] <Dark3Lite> it says I need to install the correct plugin
[08:56] <Dark3Lite> what is that plugin I may neeD?
[08:56] <\sh> Coffeeman: check in /etc/X11
[08:56] <crimsun> Dark3Lite: enable the universe repository and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:56] <geppy> Dark3Lite: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:56] <\sh> Coffeeman: find . -type f -name "Xserver*"
[08:56] <LinuxJones> Dark3Lite, you should have a look @ www.ubuntuguide.org it's a great place to start with Ubuntu
[08:56] <crimsun> Dark3Lite: see wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:56] <\sh> Coffeeman: on gentoo
[08:56] <Dark3Lite> aiight col
[08:56] <Feugan> so I need linux-tree-2.6.10?
[08:56] <crimsun> Feugan: yes
[08:56] <Dark3Lite> I understand LinuxJones.
[08:56] <Dark3Lite> thanks
[08:56] <Feugan> Thanks!
[08:57] <LinuxJones> Dark3Lite, ;)
[08:57] <Coffeeman> . \sh i already change the /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers
[08:57] <\sh> Coffeeman: to what?
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> hmm
[08:57] <Coffeeman> . \sh :0 local /usr/bin/X -dpi 75 -nolisten tcp -br
[08:58] <omni_lonnie> sheep:  no, do an "ifconfig" at the command line under DHCP...  note the bcast number.  WHen I stopped using DHCP it changed to a different number...
[08:58] <\sh> Coffeeman: this is normaly find...now adjust the fonts in kde via kcontrol
[08:58] <Coffeeman> . \sh my Firefox is perfect... but my kde is huuuge
[08:59] <omni_lonnie> after I manually changed the bcast number back then my network functioned again :)
[08:59] <\sh> Coffeeman: yeah.normal
[08:59] <ErikHK> what should I add in /etc/apt/sources.list to get alsa-driver in apt??
[08:59] <cens0red> hey how do I set it so my spare ext2 partition automatically mounts on boot up?
[09:00] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: pure magic *g* - it works
[09:00] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, sweet :)
[09:00] <Dr_Jekyll> LinuxJones: i really think the --purge was what i left out
[09:00] <mindmedic> cens0red, set it up in /etc/fstab
[09:00] <crimsun> ErikHK: it's already available
[09:01] <crimsun> ErikHK: any specific version you're looking for?
[09:01] <cens0red> mindmedic would the instructions here work for ext2 the same as they would for FAT? http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[09:01] <ErikHK> nope, just alsa-drivers :S
[09:01] <Dr_Jekyll> next, i'll go for working DVDplayback. what do i need apart from xine? decss?
[09:01] <mindmedic> do you already have an ext2 partition?
[09:01] <Coffeeman> . \sh thanks reallllly.... you save my brains...
[09:01] <ErikHK> don't understand why alsaconf doesn't work crimsun =/
[09:01] <mindmedic> if so copy the line and change partition and mountpoint
[09:02] <sheeep> omni_lonnie: and will the config stay for next boot ?
[09:02] <LinuxJones> Dr_Jekyll, you will need mpeg2 playback install the w32codec package
[09:02] <saik0> while we're on the seubject, how can one strip away unnecessary sound daemons in ubuntu and just use alsa
[09:02] <cens0red> mindmedic yes I already have an ext2 partition. The "unmask=000" can you tell me what that refer to?
[09:02] <\sh> Coffeeman: write on my wiki page ;) write: "I'm a happy ubuntu user, \sh helped me so much" ;-)
[09:02] <cavediver> Is breezy repositorys out yewt ?
[09:03] <camcorder> how can I make kernel-* to be excempted from auto update list?
[09:03] <mindmedic> unmask has somthing to do with permissions...
[09:03] <mcdonaldswes> cavediver: I've heard it is, yes
[09:03] <Xappe> that should be umask
[09:03] <mindmedic> use "defaults" as settings
[09:03] <thoreauputic> it's "umask" actually :)
[09:04] <mindmedic> thoreauputic, thats the default permissions right?
[09:04] <cens0red> mindmedic ta.
[09:04] <cens0red> bbiab.
[09:04] <Coffeeman> . \sh HEHEHEHEHEHHE... did you already tryed gentoo ?
[09:04] <sheeep> gentoo rocks
[09:04] <cavediver> Yes it was. Breezy, here I come !!
[09:04] <sheeep> but long time to install new stuff
[09:04] <sheeep> (or update it)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> mindmedic: it's the kind of inverse of permissions ( a mask)
[09:04] <mcdonaldswes> cavediver: good luck with that :)
[09:04] <Cybo-Mobile> howdy, got java working in 64bit mode with firefox64.  How can I get video working with codecs?
[09:04] <cavediver> mcdonaldswes: thanks ! :)
[09:04] <goonie> crimsun~ thx... that did it, xmms running fine now
[09:05] <\sh> Coffeeman: well...I'm a member of the german gentoo community (gentoo e.v.)
[09:05] <crimsun> goonie: excellent
[09:05] <LinuxJones> camcorder, in synaptic select the packages you want then under Packages select Lock Version
[09:05] <mindmedic> thoreauputic, so you can limit permission settings?
[09:05] <Coffeeman> . \sh wow ? and what about Ubuntu ?
[09:05] <Dr_Jekyll> <-- away for a nice fragging in cube (with my new, working nvidia-drivers *bling bling* ;>)
[09:06] <\sh> Coffeeman: it's running on my laptop :)
[09:06] <\sh> Coffeeman: and gentoo is running on now 15 servers
[09:06] <goonie> how do i change it so that xmms plays mp3's by default and not totem? if I double click an mp3 file totem starts and I get an error
[09:06] <Coffeeman> . \sh whitch you prefer for developtment ?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> mindmedic: yes - for instance a user with umask=022 will have all files created in ~/   with permissions  644
[09:07] <LinuxJones> goonie, right click an mp3 file ans select open with
[09:07] <LinuxJones> and*
[09:07] <kurtie> wogwon
[09:07] <spug> I have an old monitor, and back when I installed warty i had to manually set the refresh rate used by x lower than the default to get x up. now i've installed hoary, and of course i now have to set the refresh rate down again, but how can i do that?
[09:07] <ErikHK> how do I enable my IR-port on COM2 in Linux??
[09:08] <\sh> Coffeeman: depends....I like gentoo on my servers because it can be bleeding edge if I want...and I can adjust whatever I want...important for gameservers and stuff
[09:08] <goonie> LinuxJones~ but that doesn't assign mp3's to xmms... totem is still the default player
[09:08] <kurtie> ubuntu 5.04 is the bizznizz yo
[09:08] <\sh> Coffeeman: but for working...I like ubuntu...well officially I'm running ubuntu only a couple of days...and now I'm packaging software for myself and I hope in the next couple of weeks for the community
[09:08] <LinuxJones> goonie, if you select open with other application, sorry I didn't give you enough information :D
[09:09] <goonie> LinuxJones~ ahh
[09:09] <BoneZ> Hello
[09:09] <spug> where do i set the refresh rate in x.org (which i think hoary is using, right?)
[09:09] <SeamusLP> \sh:  You're going to contribute to the universe?
[09:09] <kurtie> bonez!
[09:10] <\sh> SeamusLP: I'm trying to ...
[09:10] <GarySaved> I just noticed my 2nd CD-ROM is just at: /media/cdrom1
[09:10] <\sh> SeamusLP: I want to :)
[09:10] <BoneZ> How do you access to your NTFS partitions?
[09:10] <saik0> is there a way to make mplayer look less like crap
[09:10] <LinuxJones> spug, same place in xorg.conf as it was in XF86Config-4 under the Monitor Settings
[09:10] <SeamusLP> \sh:  We could use some updated universe packages :D
[09:10] <kurtie> lol
[09:10] <saik0> and by like crap I mean CDE
[09:10] <\sh> SeamusLP: if some of the motus are reviewing my packages
[09:10] <GarySaved> but my 1st CD-ROM is at /cdrom at /media/cdrom and at /media/cdrom0
[09:10] <BoneZ> BoneZ How do you access to your NTFS partitions?
[09:10] <thoreauputic> saik0: yeah, install xine ;)
[09:11] <saik0> thoreauputic, asin in xine-ui?
[09:11] <crimsun> \sh: we'll get around to them, but for now, nothing's happening until our toolchain's set.
[09:11] <LinuxJones> BoneZ, check www.ubuntuguide.org lots of great info there
[09:11] <GarySaved> Should I remove a couple of them links?
[09:11] <BoneZ> Which player looks best? xmms, xine or mplayer
[09:11] <thoreauputic> saik0: yes, or totem-xine if you want the gnome look
[09:11] <spug> LinuxJones: Wasn't there some automatical setup script i could run?
[09:11] <crimsun> SeamusLP: don't worry, we'll update universe shortly, but it will _rough_ for a while.
[09:11] <thoreauputic> saik0: xine-ui has lots of skins
[09:12] <\sh> crimsun: I have time...;) gcc4?
[09:12] <BoneZ> How do you access to your NTFS partitions?
[09:12] <masa> hi there
[09:12] <crimsun> \sh: yes
[09:12] <saik0> thoreauputic, been trying to get rid of gnome
[09:12] <BoneZ> How do you access to your NTFS partitions?
[09:12] <Feugan> I can't find linux-tree-2.6.10. Should I be looking in synaptic?
[09:12] <saik0> thoreauputic, I;ve fallen head over heels in love with xfce4
[09:12] <thoreauputic> saik0: well, go for xine-ui then
[09:12] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Eh?  You guys are using GCC4?
[09:12] <sheeep> BoneZ: you need to mount the partitions
[09:13] <crimsun> SeamusLP: it's in the Breezy transition.
[09:13] <sheeep> donno if there is a way around the fstab
[09:13] <sheeep> i'm new to ubuntu
[09:13] <sheeep> :-)
[09:13] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Is GCC4 almost stable?
[09:13] <crimsun> Feugan: you don't appear to have the main repository enabled
[09:14] <crimsun> SeamusLP: I'd say that upstream support is a very good indicator of it being at least somewhat trustable
[09:14] <Feugan> crimsun: what do you mean?
[09:14] <crimsun> SeamusLP: not to mention one other $big_distro moving to it
[09:14] <saik0> thoreauputic, well the question was wan one make mplayer look respectable, because I know I can embed it in mozilla well
[09:15] <GarySaved> Should I remove the root reference, and the one from /media ?
[09:15] <crimsun> Feugan: what does ,,apt-cache policy linux-tree-2.6.10'' give you?
[09:15] <crimsun> Feugan: (don't paste here)
[09:15] <spug_> What do I need to do after editing xorg.conf? Reboot? Kill gdm?
[09:15] <crimsun> spug_: just restart gdm. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:15] <sheeep> restart gdm
[09:15] <thoreauputic> saik0: hmm - I only use the mplayer plugin in firefox: I prefer xine-ui for other things personally
[09:15] <spug_> okay, thanks
[09:15] <sheeep> from console
[09:16] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  So you guys are going to compile new/updated universe packages in GCC4.0?  Sweet.
[09:16] <Feugan> crimsun: I'm in a catch 22 as I need to get the kernel source to build the driver for my wireless card so that I can access the net and enable the main repository
[09:16] <sheeep> (ctrl-alt-f1)
[09:16] <crimsun> SeamusLP: not just universe/multiverse but everything.
[09:16] <Feugan> :-) I'm now in mandrake
[09:16] <saik0> thoreauputic, ya, I guess I could go that route, was just trying to make the system a little leaner
[09:16] <\sh> crimsun: gentoo goes to gcc4 right now ;) think 2005.X will have it marked as stable
[09:16] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Awesome.  I hear GCC4 is a lot faster.
[09:17] <crimsun> Feugan: you only need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) to build a kernel module
[09:17] <cavediver> Is there a gtk program for coding mpg4, divx from vob-files?
[09:17] <crimsun> \sh: how are they handling the ABI breakage?
[09:17] <crimsun> \sh: I presume since it's source-based that they'll force their users to rebuild world?
[09:18] <Kishu> chown: changing ownership of `/etc/sudoers': Operation not permitted ... why can't I change the permissions back to root?
[09:19] <Feugan> crimsun: Ah Ok I'll go try again. Thanks
[09:19] <sheeep> Kishu: are you performing it as root ?
[09:20] <djp> anybody use bashpodder?
[09:21] <\sh> crimsun: everything will be rebuilded.
[09:21] <\sh> crimsun: right now there is a profile for 2005.0 for gcc4
[09:22] <Dark3Lite> can the state of your livecd be saved
[09:22] <Dark3Lite> or it resets everytime you restart?
[09:24] <CarlK> ubuntu livecd - how can i get glxgears to use the whole screen like it does when I do startx -e glxgears under gentoo?
[09:24] <MrParker> hey
[09:24] <MrParker> can anyone give me a hand with something?
[09:25] <MrParker> I go to 'screen resolution' under system
[09:25] <MrParker> and it only allows me to put it up to 1024x768
[09:26] <crimsun> \sh: right, much as I suspected
[09:26] <kkathman> MrParker: did you install from a kubuntu disk or a regular hoary 5.04 install disk?
[09:27] <MrParker> hoary
[09:28] <MrParker> I use ubuntu not kubuntu
[09:28] <kkathman> MrParker: ahh ok so your desktop is Gnome then?
[09:28] <kurtie> is kubuntu the same but just with kde ??
[09:28] <graabein> quick pop-quiz: how do i find what kernel i have? i need to install kernel headers (and nvidia driver)
[09:28] <kkathman> kurtie: yes
[09:28] <kurtie> khoo
[09:29] <thor|away> graabein: uname -r
[09:29] <graabein> thanks
[09:29] <MrParker> kkathman: yes it is gnome
[09:29] <CarlK> live CD - can I get to runlevel 3 without rebooting?
[09:29] <crimsun> CarlK: yes, but why would you want to? runlevels 2-5 are identical.
[09:29] <kkathman> MrParker: when you installed, there should have been a screen that came up and asked you to tick the resolutions that you wanted to utilize, do you remember that screen?
[09:29] <Xappe> is there a working totem-xine plugin for firefox?
[09:29] <MrParker> yeah
[09:29] <crimsun> CarlK: you gain nothing by teliniting to 3
[09:29] <MrParker> BUT I cant
[09:30] <MrParker> reinstall
[09:30] <CarlK> crimsun - 3 it won't dump X?
[09:30] <kkathman> MrParker: if you just went past that screen, it might have not gotten the higher resolutions
[09:30] <crimsun> CarlK: no, it won't. 2-5 are identical. We don't play runlevel games. Use sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:30] <MrParker> kkathman: yeah I did, but that was prior to me having an LCD monitor that requirse 1280x1024, and I was running it in 1024x768
[09:31] <kkathman> MrParker: no need to reinstall, but you probably will need to change your xorg.conf...if you are not comfy with this, then reinstall :)
[09:31] <MrParker> kkathman: is there no way to select resolutions past setup?
[09:31] <MrParker> kkathman: okay, where is xorg.conf
[09:31] <CarlK> crimsun - thanks
[09:31] <crimsun> CarlK: np
[09:31] <kkathman> MrParker: let me see if I can get you  a reference...one moment
[09:31] <MrParker> kkathman: thanks
[09:31] <kurtie> locate xorg.conf :)
[09:32] <kkathman> MrParker: try this thread, I think it might help you:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21984&highlight=screen+resolution
[09:32] <kurtie> limewire anygood??
[09:32] <sheeep> MrParker: its in /etc/X11/
[09:32] <zab_> kurtie: excellent :)
[09:33] <cens0red> help. My ext2 partition won't mount. I get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2"
[09:33] <MrParker> kkathman: I figured it out from the .conf file thanks :)
[09:33] <kkathman> MrParker: great....good luck :)
[09:33] <MrParker> kkathman: thanks :)
[09:35] <holger> Hi, where can I find a bcmwl5a.inf (not a exe)
[09:36] <Coffeeman> anywone know if graveman works whit DVD-R   ???
[09:36] <spug__> okay. so. 43-60 is apparently a too high VertRefresh for my monitor to handle. what should i set it to? i don't have my monitor's manual or anything.
[09:37] <green_earz> cens0red: mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb2 /somen-where   is this the format you are using ? and have a look in /etc/fstab  for your /dev/hdb2  monut point
[09:38] <CarlK> spug__ - try this: http://www.griffintechnology.com/archive/monitor.html
[09:39] <CarlK> but for me I have to pick "view sonic" and flip
[09:40] <cens0red> green_earz hey! It mounted. I think the problem must be how I've set it up in fstab.
[09:40] <spug__> CarlK: the search on that website is giving me "invalid search" when i try to search :/
[09:40] <Coffeeman> does Ubuntu have i686 ???
[09:40] <cens0red> green_earz is this the right way to mount an ext2 partition in fstab? "/dev/hdb2       /mnt/storage    ext2 umask=000       0       0"
[09:41] <kkathman> Coffeeman: you download the x86 install
[09:41] <CarlK> spug__ - yeah.. same here
[09:41] <kkathman> Coffeeman: they also have a 64-bit install also
[09:41] <spug__> so eh. there are no "standard" refresh rate settings i can set it to and test?
[09:41] <Coffeeman> kkathman: so i can select in synaptics i686 archtecture ?
[09:43] <kkathman> Coffeeman: if you have that architecture, yes...just saying that Ubuntu doesnt really make a distinguishment betwee x86 releases
[09:43] <BackSlaSh83> hi all
[09:44] <jinx``> hi! aone question: is there any gnome menu editor available yet? why is there any in ubuntu?
[09:44] <skora> jinx, yes, there is.
[09:45] <skora> it's being worked upon in the forums actually.
[09:45] <jinx``> searched fpr gmenu, but it's not available
[09:45] <skora> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67
[09:45] <green_earz> cens0red: /dev/hda7   /var  ext3    defaults     0    2   this the format for one of my ext3 partions
[09:45] <jinx``> can't you use gmenu?
[09:45] <skora> good question, not sure.
[09:46] <SpaceNuts> anyone know what the license for the default desktop wallpaper is?
[09:46] <cens0red> green_earz is there any danger of destroying the partition by fiddling with that last 0 in fstab?
[09:46] <jinx``> i have no idea why developers did not include a menu editor
[09:46] <SpaceNuts> I edited it to be blue, and better fit with the blue theme I use, and want to post it on gnome-look.org
[09:46] <cowbud> it is planned for gnome .12
[09:46] <cowbud> 2.12 that is..
[09:46] <flodine> ubuntu room im off work  im so happy
[09:46] <flodine> heehhe
[09:47] <jinx``> so is it a problem of gnome 2.10 ?
[09:47] <SpaceNuts> or does anyone know where to search for these licenses?
[09:48] <Coffeeman> anywone know if graveman works whit DVD-R   ???
[09:48] <cens0red> can anybody recommend a good font for xchat?
[09:48] <cowbud> jinx``: in a sense yes..\
[09:48] <SeamusLP> jinx``:  Amaranth is working on a nice menu editor.  Not perfect, but works in most cases.
[09:48] <imperfect-> menu editor?
[09:49] <imperfect-> You can't add things to the menu?
[09:49] <imperfect-> xit
[09:49] <SpaceNuts> there also is gnome menu or something doesnt that one work?
[09:49] <green_earz> cens0red: do you have just have a root partion and a swap in fstab ?
[09:49] <cowbud> and I am off to school
[09:49] <jinx``> school? its 21:49 here :D
[09:49] <SpaceNuts> GTM +1 that is
[09:49] <BackSlaSh83> there is a way to have something life favaourites on xchat?
[09:49] <BackSlaSh83> like
[09:49] <cens0red> green_earz originally yes, but now I've added 2 x FAT32 partitions, and tied to add an ext2 partition.
[09:51] <geppy> Why has a callback-based API using JACK _not_ become a standard for Linux?
[09:51] <Rambo> Hi
[09:51] <lizdeika> oh no ist Rambo
[09:51] <Rambo> I have a question
[09:51] <AppleSeed2010> ouille
[09:52] <Rambo> I am a powerpc user,
[09:52] <Rambo> but i must configure ubuntu on a x86 processor
[09:53] <Rambo> The monitor doesn't work very well
[09:53] <Rambo> it's full of colors, and so.
[09:53] <Rambo> I must configure the bios?
[09:53] <SpaceNuts> what vga card does it have?
[09:53] <Rambo> i don't now how.
[09:53] <Rambo> i don't know ...
[09:53] <SpaceNuts> it is probably a driver issue
[09:53] <SpaceNuts> or a xorg.conf setting
[09:53] <green_earz> cens0red: i have /var /home /  which where make on the install. the / as a different set of rules in fstab the /var and /home
[09:53] <SpaceNuts> find it out if it is possible
[09:54] <Rambo> but before it's start
[09:54] <Rambo> and also with a live.
[09:54] <cens0red> green_earz I don't follow.
[09:54] <green_earz> cens0red: /dev/hda7   /var   ext3  defaults   0   2
[09:55] <green_earz>  cens0red: /dev/hda5   /    ext3  defaults,errors=remount-ro 0   1
[09:56] <cens0red> green_earz u r suffesting I try that?
[09:56] <cikilin> SeamusLP:
[09:56] <cens0red> green_earz suggesting I try editing fstab thus?
[09:57] <Coffeeman> can i install Ubuntu whit the LiveCD ???
[09:57] <crimsun> Coffeeman: not presently. It's being worked on.
[09:57] <thor|away> Coffeeman: no
[09:57] <Coffeeman> mannnnn :/
[09:57] <Coffeeman> thks
[09:58] <CarlK> I am trying to use glxgears to compare my "tricked out gentoo/xorg" install against the ubntu-live-cd - when I ran glxgears under gentoo, I got 30fps (yeah yeah... its an i810)
[09:58] <Dark3Lite> crimsun can I save the present state of my LiveCd?
[09:58] <crimsun> Dark3Lite: not presently. It's being worked on.
[09:58] <Dark3Lite> heh
[09:58] <Dark3Lite> cool..
[09:58] <CarlK> but with ubuntu-live, I can't get the "same thing" and so the fps are all over the map, like 12 and 500
[09:59] <SpaceNuts> anyone know the licensing for the default desktop wallpaper?
[09:59] <crimsun> CarlK: well, the ubuntu livecd is designed for compatibility, not performance. It uses a generic i386 kernel with i386 libc6.
[09:59] <CarlK> when I ran it under gentoo, I think I sshed to the box, ran X (no WM) opend 2nd ssh, DISPLAY=0 glxgears and got a full screen of gears - doing the same thing (I think) under ubuntu-live gives me a 1/4 screen window
[10:00] <pestilence> so, i've upgraded from warty to hoary, and now all the icons are missing.  i've tried changing themes, as was suggested by a search of the forums.  does anybody know what else i should try?
[10:00] <Coffeeman> crimsun, and how can i especifc to use pentium 4 packages ????
[10:00] <pestilence> (icons in gnome)
[10:00] <CarlK> crimsun - im not complaining, just trying to get a similare test, cuz so far I ether get 12 or 500fps
[10:00] <crimsun> Coffeeman: with an install or the livecd?
[10:00] <Coffeeman> install
[10:01] <crimsun> Coffeeman: HT-enabled?
[10:01] <Coffeeman> crimsun, yes
[10:01] <crimsun> Coffeeman: aptitude install linux-686-smp
[10:01] <crimsun> Coffeeman: a rule of thumb is to use apt-cache search <some search terms>
[10:01] <Coffeeman> crimsun, can i compile my kernel as well...
[10:02] <Coffeeman> ?
[10:02] <crimsun> Coffeeman: yes
[10:02] <Coffeeman> crimsun, ok, thks.
[10:02] <crimsun> np
[10:02] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches, good night
[10:02] <holger> after modprobe ndiswrapper i got an error: Invalid module format. The actual ndiswrapper-source is installed.
[10:02] <thundrcleeze> bye
[10:02] <klaas> Coffeeman: aptitude search kernel-source
[10:02] <crimsun> klaas: no, linux-source
[10:03] <klaas> True, kernel-source as well, for older kernels.
[10:03] <delire> in vanilla debian it's 'kernel-source'
[10:03] <crimsun> kernel-* is unsupported and hence in universe.
[10:03] <Coffeeman> crimsun, but all the packages are compiled on i386 ???
[10:03] <klaas> Okay
[10:04] <Albacker> guys, how's the program called so I can type progname filename.tgz or prrogname filename.tar.gz etc no need for tar xvfj etc. . .
[10:04] <crimsun> Coffeeman: they are compiled on the base arch for whatever their cpu is.
[10:04] <crimsun> their cpus are^
[10:04] <pestilence> Albacker: file-roller?
[10:04] <Albacker> pestilence, hmmm no.
[10:05] <Coffeeman> crimsun, like, firefox... on apt-get i get one i386 firefox...
[10:05] <pestilence> Albacker: what do you want to do, exactly?
[10:05] <Albacker> pestilence, dont remember
[10:05] <Albacker> pestilence, I just want the name of it. I have installed it but I dont remember it's name.
[10:05] <WiFi_Net_Guy> Hi, everyone. Can anyone shed some light on something? I'm trying to run live CD testing out ubuntu on Toshiba A75 notebook. It boots to where it asks me to hit enter to boot. When I do that, some text runs through and then it goes blank with no activity.
[10:05] <pestilence> Albacker: and what does this program do :)
[10:05] <delire> Albacker: you can try 'guitar'
[10:06] <delire> Albacker: GUItar
[10:06] <Albacker> hmm no
[10:06] <delire> .. to make sense with emphasis
[10:06] <crimsun> Coffeeman: they are compiled for use on i386+, yes.
[10:06] <delire> Albacker: was it a gui application?
[10:06] <crimsun> Coffeeman: for the i386 arches.
[10:06] <Albacker> delire no
[10:06] <Coffeeman> crimsun, thks
[10:06] <crimsun> Coffeeman: obviously ppc will be built on ppc, amd64 on amd64, ...
[10:07] <pestilence> is this the linux version of "i spy..."
[10:07] <tsume_> I'm about to convert a company who uses windows to ubuntu :)
[10:07] <delire> Albacker: you aren't thinking of gunzip for *.gz archives?
[10:07] <tsume_> theres a version of iSpy for linux? :)
[10:07] <Albacker> delire NO.
[10:07] <pestilence> "i spy with my little eyes...a program that does something with tarballs"
[10:07] <tsume_> pestilence: oh, heh
[10:07] <Coffeeman> crimsun, i was thinking in some modern like i686
[10:07] <pestilence> "is it X?"  "no."
[10:08] <tsume_> tar zxvf archive.tar.gz ;)
[10:08] <WiFi_Net_Guy> Is there a way to set screen to VESA on Ubuntu boot prompt?
[10:08] <Albacker> delire, it unpacks everything, tgz tar.gz gz tar . .
[10:08] <thor|away> Albacker: can we all join the guessing game/
[10:08] <delire> Albacker: well can't help you, i use tar xvjf for *.tar.gz. i know KDE handles it in the file browser.
[10:08] <pestilence> tar zxvf unpacks everything
[10:08] <CarlK> I think the goal is to associate .gz with tar like Billy's OS
[10:08] <SpaceNuts> @"i spy with my little eyes, does me remind of BlackAdder
[10:08] <tsume_> delire: no, it doesn't
[10:08] <delire> s/xvjf/xvzf
[10:09] <pestilence> (right, everything that was zipped with gzip and packed with tar)
[10:09] <delire> tsume_: well on a KDE system recently i simply right clicked on an archive and extracted it. not that i prefer this method.
[10:09] <pestilence> is there a guide to upgrading from warty to hoary that goes over some of the common pitfalls?
[10:09] <pestilence> i found the wiki guide, but it wasn't much help
[10:10] <crimsun> Coffeeman: not everyone has an i686.
[10:10] <tsume_> delire: its called ark, not kde file browser
[10:10] <pestilence> i.e. this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[10:10] <tsume_> delire: get the facts right young one ;)
[10:10] <Coffeeman> crimsun, i know... just asking...
[10:10] <crimsun> Coffeeman: for instance, I'm currently hacking away on an i586
[10:10] <delire> tsume_: clearly you're on crack.
[10:10] <tsume_> delire: no
[10:11] <ztonzy> delire, evening
[10:11] <delire> tsume_: i simply recount an experience on a KDE system. ark or otherwise..
[10:11] <delire> ztonzy: hello ;)
[10:11] <Dark3Lite> lol
[10:11] <tsume_> delire: nautilus is much better ;)
[10:11] <ztonzy> delire, damn cold I caught :(
[10:12] <delire> ztonzy: i tried it some 5 years ago and haven't since.
[10:12] <ztonzy> delire, eeehh?
[10:12] <delire> tsume_: i tried it some 5 years ago and haven't since.
[10:12] <delire> ztonzy: wrong nick ;)
[10:12] <ztonzy> delire, lol
[10:12] <delire> ztonzy: sorry i dropped out last night. had to take my gf to the airport.
[10:12] <ztonzy> delire, aaah oh
[10:12] <pestilence> could somebody show me the /etc/apt/sources.list that comes with hoary?
[10:13] <pestilence> perhaps in #flood
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, installed Ubuntu yesterday ....(gnome)
[10:13] <ztonzy> after it...yeah you know
[10:13] <graabein> another stupid question (yes, i'm a newbie), where is grub.conf located again???
[10:13] <pestilence> usually in /boot/grub, graabein
[10:13] <geppy> graabein: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:14] <syn1> pestilence: goto http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:14] <graabein> is menu.lst the same as grub.conf?
[10:14] <geppy> graabein: It's grub.conf's replacement, as far as I know.
[10:14] <pestilence> synd: thanks
[10:14] <graabein> alright. thanks, that explains it!
[10:14] <synd> pestilence: the first one is whats in there be default, the 2nd one is what it should be
[10:14] <thor|away> graabein: I think grub.conf is a Redhat-ism
[10:14] <synd> pestilence: no problem.
[10:15] <cikilin> hello
[10:15] <delire> ztonzy: how are you finding it?
[10:15] <ztonzy> delire, instead of Kubuntu ?
[10:15] <delire> ztonzy: yep
[10:15] <ztonzy> hmm...cleaner....but slower interface
[10:16] <Panquekas> hello
[10:16] <ztonzy> delire, set the "draw while drag"  to false :)  so now I see this wire
[10:17] <pestilence> arrrgh.  as i suspected, there is  no difference between that and what i am using...and so now i'm back to my original question
[10:17] <pestilence> so, i've upgraded from warty to hoary, and now all the icons are missing.  i've tried changing themes, as was suggested by a search of the forums.  does anybody know what else i should try?
[10:17] <pestilence> is there a package which provides the icons that should be --reinstall'ed?
[10:18] <thor|away> pestilence: do you have ubuntu-desktop ?
[10:18] <dazed> pestilence: what do u mean by icons?
[10:18] <delire> ztonzy: hmm odd. well i don't use gnome or KDE here, so on the DE front i'm not very helpful. naturally #gnome could be a good place to resolve fiddly details.
[10:18] <pestilence> thor|away: yes
[10:18] <lizdeika> desktop icons or _all_ the icons ?
[10:18] <pestilence> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25227&highlight=icons+missing
[10:18] <ztonzy> delire, but I dunno...it feels kde in kubuntu have some glitches still, I might be wrong, but I rather run a stable system than more experiment (sorrry for that, but I feel it like that)
[10:18] <pestilence> i have the same problem as that guy
[10:18] <graabein> how do i turn on synching with internet clock when i boot... a service somewhere...
[10:18] <Panquekas> I need some help please, I installed warty and all as working fine, when I upgrade to hoarty, my nvidia gforce fx 5200 only works with 640*480 :\ but my nvidia suportes 1200 in windoze (and in warty suported 1024*800, I don't remember well) could anyone help men?
[10:18] <Panquekas> *me
[10:18] <ztonzy> delire, true...will do it ....but my nose is dripping so much.... ack...
[10:18] <kurtie> graabein, ntpd
[10:19] <pestilence> basically, all desktop icons...like the trash, the desktop in the taskbar, and also any icons for files in nautilus, the menus, etc
[10:19] <thoreauputic> graabein: it's /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[10:19] <delire> ztonzy: that's wise. as far as KDE distributions are concerned, there is nothing better than Mepis. i've just installed it on many machines and it is very solid.
[10:19] <dazed> pestilence:  you have tried changing ur theme?
[10:19] <delire> ztonzy: Ubuntu however really does pull off gnome very well.
[10:19] <pestilence> dazed: yes
[10:19] <ztonzy> delire, aha
[10:19] <ztonzy> delire, true
[10:20] <graabein> thoreauputic or kurtie, how do i add it to the boot?
[10:20] <delire> ztonzy: you have seen art.gnome.org?
[10:20] <ztonzy> delire, now and then yes, anything new ?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> graabein: AFAIK  ntpdate is enabled at boot by default
[10:20] <delire> graabein: use ntpdate. it will start automatically in /etc/init.d/
[10:21] <delire> ztonzy: ahah ;)
[10:21] <graabein> but it says it syncs with hardware clock...
[10:21] <thoreauputic> graabein: it syncs with ntp.ubuntulinux.org or something
[10:21] <ztonzy> delire, afterwards I knew who he is :D
[10:21] <pestilence> hmmm...it seems to be looking in ~/.icons and not /usr/share/icons
[10:21] <pestilence> or whereever it'
[10:21] <thoreauputic> graabein: it does both ( ntpdate syncs from the 'net )
[10:21] <pestilence> wherever it's supposed to look
[10:21] <ztonzy> delire, for some weird reason, Blender Conferences drawn some of the most interesting people ! :)
[10:22] <graabein> ok, how do i add it to the boot script?
[10:22] <delire> ztonzy: it's an interesting application ;)
[10:22] <ztonzy> delire, the year before...do you know who were there and who I by chance shook hands with :O ?
[10:22] <ztonzy> delire, ;)
[10:22] <delire> ztonzy: ..? ;)
[10:22] <thoreauputic> graabein: umm - it should already be there
[10:22] <ztonzy> delire, Mark Shuttleworth =O
[10:22] <delire> hah
[10:22] <AppleSeed2010> night all
[10:22] <delire> great. a nice chap i hear..
[10:23] <delire> AppleSeed2010: night
[10:23] <thoreauputic> graabein: try  sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart and it should sync
[10:23] <graabein> i think i turned it off when i had warty installed. i want it back on. i've got "internet" now!
[10:23] <ztonzy> delire, hehe...had a shot chat with him...he didnt even say he had been up to space!
[10:23] <ztonzy> short*
[10:23] <luridus> hey what would my default root password be set to?
[10:23] <Bazzi> luridus there is none.
[10:23] <kurtie> graabein... System > Administration > time and date
[10:23] <luridus> oo thanks
[10:23] <ztonzy> delire, whole blender coders jawdropped the week after
[10:23] <pestilence> luridus: it's set to something that is unuseable
[10:23] <pestilence> luridus: use sudo
[10:23] <luridus> alright
[10:23] <SpaceNuts> luridus: the same as the password for the account you set up during install
[10:24] <luridus> ookay. ill try all these
[10:24] <delire> ztonzy: and why was he at the blender conference?
[10:24] <SpaceNuts> luridus: but that is to log in with sudo, you cant login as root
[10:24] <Bazzi> luridus with sudo, you can also set one.
[10:24] <thoreauputic> graabein:  sudo update-rc.d ntpdate defaults
[10:25] <ztonzy> delire, he talked about Python and the work along with Blender
[10:25] <graabein> okay thanks guys... think i've got it working!
[10:25] <delire> ztonzy: so he works with blender does he?
[10:25] <ztonzy> delire, what I know is that he like that language
[10:25] <delire> ztonzy: the Python API for blender is excellent. i was revisiting it again today.
[10:25] <ztonzy> delire, maybe...dont remember...but I wouldnt be surprised
[10:26] <kurtie> Why would he be interested in a cartoon character from Futurama??
[10:26] <ztonzy> delire, aah...I dont know much about python, maybe I am lazy or just stupid artist
[10:26] <luridus> thanks
[10:26] <thenuke> kurtie: it's bender, not blender :)
[10:26] <delire> ztonzy: follow your interests ;)
[10:26] <graabein> now zoidberg is the most popular!
[10:27] <ztonzy> delire, true
[10:27] <ztonzy> ;)
[10:27] <ztonzy> delire, so when do you need 3d work help :P ?
[10:29] <kurtie> :P
[10:29] <delire> speaking of animated characters. i assume you've all seen **the new Ubuntu mascot*** http://www.openpuppets.com/fondos/7.html
[10:29] <ztonzy> delire, what aboyt art.gnome.org ?
[10:29] <kurtie> gnite all
[10:29] <ztonzy> delire, no I havent
[10:29] <SpaceNuts> gnite all, lol, would that be knite for a KDE addict?
[10:30] <kurtie> no.. it simply means Im going to bed now now
[10:30] <SpaceNuts> I know
[10:30] <Effie> nabend
[10:30] <kurtie> :P
[10:30] <SpaceNuts> it is an abbreviation for goodnight
[10:30] <Effie> is there on freenode a german ubuntu chan?
[10:30] <SpaceNuts> but it looks like a gnome thing with that g
[10:30] <SpaceNuts> ubuntu-de I think
[10:30] <kurtie> lol.. yeah
[10:30] <CarlK> Effie - yes...
[10:30] <CarlK> that.
[10:31] <Effie> thx SpaceNuts, CarlK
[10:31] <SpaceNuts> Kein problem
[10:31] <CarlK> Effie - bitte
[10:31] <Effie> danke ihr beiden rabauken :)
[10:31] <SpaceNuts> was, das verschteh ich nicht, bin NL
[10:32] <CarlK> swell.. thats what I get for being cute ;)
[10:32] <Effie> he he
[10:32] <Effie> SpaceNuts, was just a little joke
[10:32] <SpaceNuts> was sind denn rabauken
[10:32] <SpaceNuts> ah ok
[10:32] <Effie> mom, i search for a definition
[10:32] <SpaceNuts> morgen mahl fragen an meine Deutsche collega
[10:33] <SpaceNuts> -a +en
[10:33] <graabein> i've got gfx problems... nvidia 6600gt, just ran the driver... neverball and glxinfo gives me segmentation fault
[10:34] <cfh_dev> Is there somewhere I can search the packages available for Ubuntu?
[10:34] <Effie> Rabauke : altes Schimpfwort fr (lrmende, freche, Unfug treibende) Kinder. sagt dir das mehr SpaceNuts ?
[10:34] <Effie> http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rabauke <-- just look here SpaceNuts ;)
[10:34] <graabein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:34] <cfh_dev> graabein: thanks
[10:35] <sklp> yes, and if you dont find what you are looking for you can try apt-get.org :)
[10:35] <CarlK> crimsun - I am pretty sure the ubuntu-live-CD super compatable works with anything is blowing the doors of my tricked out gentoo install by 3:1
[10:35] <ztonzy> delire, leaving now
[10:35] <graabein> liverpool!
[10:35] <SpaceNuts> Effie: haha, lol, noch nieh gedacht an wikipedia
[10:35] <cfh_dev> I've been using Debian for a while and just got a new computer so I thought I'd try a different, more up to date distro.
[10:35] <Xappe> anyone tried this? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21405.html
[10:36] <tlepes> howdy.  i am having some probs w/ 5.04.  my /dev/sda1 (sata) won't mount during boot (says device not exist) but later I can mount it from a shell fine.   Second problem is with panasonic DVR-105.  /dev/hdc is missing.  ONCE IN A WHILE, if a disc is in it when I boot, it is there.  Mostly it isn't.  Any suggestions for these two problems?
[10:36] <Effie> SpaceNuts, wiktionary ist das btw :)
[10:36] <SpaceNuts> effie, ach ja, wieder was gelernt
[10:37] <Effie> das ist immer gut SpaceNuts
[10:38] <pvh> Today my /dev/sound directory is gone... and I haven't even rebooted since last night when it was there! What the heck could have happened?
[10:40] <Panquekas> I need some help please, I installed warty and all as working fine, when I upgrade to hoarty, my nvidia gforce fx 5200 only works with 640*480 :\ but my nvidia suportes 1200 in windoze (and in warty suported 1024*800, I don't remember well) could anyone help me?
[10:40] <turboliv> hi all
[10:40] <imperfect-> Panquekas: make sure you're using the nvidia driver and not the NV one
[10:40] <turboliv> i'm new noob user of linux
[10:41] <Panquekas> imcsk8-expo, yes I checked and it's ok
[10:41] <Bazzi> Panquekas yep, driver change/reconfig might be inevitable
[10:41] <turboliv> and chosen ubuntu for first try ^^
[10:41] <Bazzi> might as well be an X.org issue.
[10:42] <joeyh> Hey folks, congrats on the mention in Veronica Mars, which I assume you already know about? :-)
[10:43] <Bazzi> no?!
[10:43] <turboliv[FR] > re
[10:43] <turboliv[FR] > Some french user of ubuntu ?
[10:43] <joeyh> ok, here's the quote, which gets full camera time:
[10:44] <joeyh> "Wait, how can you even have an opinion on Ubuntu if you haven't tried it?
[10:44] <joeyh> 2.6 kernel, live CD, they even had Gnome 2.0 the day warty warthog came out!!"
[10:44] <joeyh> in a pretty much 100% accurate depiction of linux vs macos advocacy
[10:44] <turboliv[FR] > no french user ?
[10:44] <o-negative> turboliv[FR] : yes
[10:44] <turboliv[FR] > :'(
[10:44] <o-negative> je suis francophone
[10:45] <turboliv[FR] > ouf
[10:45] <turboliv[FR] > o-negative
[10:45] <turboliv[FR] > ca fait plaisir
[10:45] <o-negative> heeh
[10:45] <tlepes> QUESTION: when booting, auto mount of my sata drive fails (says /dev/sda1 does not exist), but after boot I can go to a shell and mount it fine.  Any ideas why or what to look for?  I would guess something out of order or a timing issue (not completely "up" before trying to mount in boot process).. ???  Any takers?
[10:45] <turboliv[FR] > ca fait 10 ans que j utilise windows et je viens de me decider a passer a linux
[10:46] <turboliv[FR] > et j ai donc choisi ubuntu en hd install
[10:46] <o-negative> tlepes: sata drivers loaded as modules?
[10:46] <pestilence> tlepes: did you recompile your kernel?
[10:46] <tlepes> nv_sata
[10:46] <tlepes> or sata_nv (i forget)
[10:46] <o-negative> tlepes: it should be hard coded in the kernel
[10:46] <o-negative> (*)
[10:46] <tlepes> mobo is an nvidia nf-250 chipset
[10:46] <turboliv[FR] > o-negative c'est bien sur ce chan que je pourrai avoir des reponses a mes lacunes ?
[10:47] <o-negative> turboliv[FR] : oui mais vrifie si il y a #ubuntu-fr
[10:47] <eni1> cya all
[10:47] <turboliv[FR] > ok
[10:47] <tlepes> o-negative, it is workable but it would be nice if i could have it mount in boot.  then i could move my /home there like i want to.
[10:47] <turboliv[FR] > ^^
[10:47] <turboliv[FR] > merci a plus tard
[10:47] <o-negative> tlepes: if you want if mounted at boot you have to put the driver in the kernel
[10:48] <pestilence> tlepes: are you using a ubuntu linux-image package?
[10:48] <tlepes> fresh hoary 5.04 install
[10:48] <pestilence> strange, i would have thought they'd have those drivers in the initrd
[10:48] <tlepes> freshity-fresh, like just done.  but having same problem on my old partition (also 5.04, but upgraded from warty).
[10:49] <pestilence> super fresh?
[10:49] <McScruff> hello ppl
[10:50] <McScruff> does any1 know how to get my card reader to work? i got my single card reader working but not my multione
[10:50] <tlepes> pestilence, it is there after i boot.  I mean, i can then mount my /share (which is /dev/sda1).  But during boot, when it automounts, it won't mount the /share because it says /dev/sda1 is missing.  Maybe it is not created yet at the time automount fires off?  hotplug comes next in messages as it boots, but i didn't think it was a part of hot plug system
[10:50] <McScruff> the SD part works but not the mmc
[10:51] <dazed> this is really gettin ridiculous
[10:51] <tlepes> oh well, i just thought maybe you folks might have some ideas for me.  I can crawl the ubuntu help and forums yet
[10:51] <pestilence> tlepes: i understand your problem, but i don't have any help...sorry
[10:51] <tlepes> pestilence, np
[10:51] <dazed> im getting HIGHLY upset over this
[10:51] <tlepes> ty n e way
[10:51] <andrei> hello. how do i install a gtk 1.x theme so xmms's settings would look nice ? thanks
[10:51] <McScruff> xmms default is nice :S
[10:52] <tlepes> i use winamp "classic" skins w/ xmms no prob
[10:52] <andrei> McScruff, i don't like the gtk skin actualy
[10:52] <mindmedic> my nautilus crashes when i view the properties of a flac file.. can someone repeat that?
[10:53] <tlepes> pest thanx - i gotta scoot.  ttfn
[10:53] <jordanau> andrei, are you wondering where to put the theme file?
[10:53] <pestilence> tlepes: np, later
[10:53] <andrei> jordanau, i apt-get some gtk 1.x industrial theme, but i don't know how to activate it
[10:54] <jordanau> and the theme is for xmms?
[10:54] <andrei> jordanau, gtk generaly..
[10:54] <jordanau> so it is an overall gnome theme?
[10:55] <andrei> jordanau, yes. i wonder if i can have installed both clearlooks for gtk 2.x and industrial for gtk 1.x
[10:55] <jordanau> and you want it to change xmms?
[10:55] <SpaceNuts> mindmedic, wait a minute gonna test it for you here
[10:56] <andrei> jordanau, just the looks of the settings panel of xmms.
[10:56] <jordanau> basically you just go to system > preferences > themes and change your theme
[10:56] <djp> how do you setup a cron job in ubuntu?
[10:56] <andrei> jordanau, also, every app which uses gtk 1.x libs should change the looks too
[10:56] <dieffel> anyone know a cool complete MacOSX Aqua clone Theme for Ubuntu??
[10:57] <jordanau> andrei, yeah i cant help you i thought you wanted to change xmms skins
[10:57] <mkuntic> hey there, men. is there a good firewall/QoS GUI frontend in ubuntu?
[10:57] <jordanau> dieffel, yeah there is one
[10:57] <jordanau> dieffel, i'll get the name in a sec
[10:57] <kangpeh> dieffel
[10:57] <kangpeh> yeah
[10:57] <kangpeh> dieffel:  Look at mine =)
[10:57] <kangpeh> dieffel:  I even have the Mac OS-X GDM (login screen)
[10:57] <kangpeh> heh
[10:58] <kangpeh> dieffel:  all my windows/icons/etc. are mac-osx ones
[10:58] <kangpeh> dieffel: =)
[10:58] <Huwge> djp: 'crontab -e' will edit your crontab, if you want it to run the job as another user either su to them or edit '/etc/crontab'
[10:58] <kangpeh> cronjob djp?  i dont know how to do it in a gui
[10:58] <kangpeh> but crontab -e will give u a vi editor
[10:58] <SpaceNuts> mindmedic: it doesn't do that here
[10:58] <dieffel> kangpeh, wow sounds nice ... u have an URL??
[10:58] <kangpeh> dieffel:  http://www.gnome-look.org/
[10:59] <kangpeh> you need to get hte MacOS-x themes/etc. and then the Icons too
[10:59] <kangpeh> and then u also should get hte Aqua Fake - login thing
[10:59] <dieffel> kangpeh, i'll take a look
[10:59] <jordanau> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/aosxinsp/
[10:59] <SpaceNuts> mindmedic: the FLAC file I have is on an SaMBa (windows share) server, and I can view the properties
[10:59] <kangpeh> i think gnome-look is down right now though dieffel
[10:59] <kangpeh> ;9
[10:59] <djp> Huwge: thanks
[10:59] <jordanau> dieffel,
[10:59] <Huwge> djp: np
[10:59] <Agrajag> kangpeh: if you want a gui editor for whatever reason, set the EDITOR variable
[10:59] <dieffel> jordanau, yes
[11:00] <dieffel> kangpeh, ok...
[11:00] <andrei> djp, maybe this tool will help you http://jodrell.net/projects/gnome-crontab
[11:00] <pvh> My /dev/sound is GONE, and I have no idea how to get it back.
[11:00] <pvh> I'd really love some help figuring out what happened....
[11:00] <pestilence> is there some way to check all of the installed packages to make sure they are from hoary?
[11:00] <SeamusLP> pvh:  You have a /dev/dsp?
[11:00] <pvh> SeamusLP: no, it was a symlink to /dev/sound/dsp1
[11:01] <pestilence> apt-show-versions just gives me packagename/unknown uptodate ...
[11:01] <kennethlove> hey all. anyone that can help me get samba/nfs/netatalk working between ubuntu and an ibook?
[11:01] <dieffel> kangpeh, do u have another url were i can get the macosX theme?
[11:01] <theine> is it possible to run an X server within a chroot environment?
[11:02] <SeamusLP> pvh: ewwww.  How the heck did that go away?
[11:02] <djp> andrei: interesting...
[11:02] <pvh> SeamusLP: I don't know! It was there last night when I went to bed.
[11:02] <pvh> SeamusLP: The only thing I can think of is that I was tinkering with my .asoundrc
[11:03] <SeamusLP> pvh:  Underpants gnomes, maybe?
[11:03] <pvh> SeamusLP: but /dev/sound is systemwide, and my .asound should have had no effect!
[11:03] <pvh> SeamusLP: That's the only explanation I can think of. I'm not so worried about how it went. I want to know how to get it back.
[11:04] <SeamusLP> Yeah I agree there.  You could try restarting.  Maybe hotplug will pick up on the fact that you have a soundcard and no drivers
[11:04] <pvh> It's still playing sound on both soundcards.
[11:04] <SeamusLP> uh
[11:04] <pvh> Yeah.
[11:04] <pvh> Figure _that_ out.
[11:04] <SeamusLP> So basically what you're telling me is that it's fine?
[11:05] <dieffel> jordanau, did u find the link to macosX theme?
[11:05] <pvh> SeamusLP: No, I can't play to things that want a /dev/dsp
[11:05] <pvh> SeamusLP: but Alsa-aware programs are working fine.
[11:05] <SeamusLP> How about eSound?
[11:05] <andrei> how do i install a gtk 1.x theme so xmms's settings would look nice - problem solved. gtk 1 and 2 themes can be switched with this app: gtk-theme-switch
[11:05] <pvh> SeamusLP: Not very familiar with esound.
[11:06] <guruyaya> Hi there.
[11:06] <kevman> Good day.
[11:06] <andrei> still xmms looks ugly :)
[11:06] <SeamusLP> pvh: Hold on I'm going to look around a bit in my own system
[11:07] <pvh> SeamusLP: I have a /dev/snd
[11:07] <guruyaya> I`m kinda new in this ubuntu thing. can anyone tell me if there is any kind of program to read news groups by?
[11:07] <pvh> SeamusLP: but the devices there look strange to me
[11:07] <kennethlove> guruyaya: thunderbird can, i think
[11:07] <SeamusLP> pvh:  Yeah I don't have a /dev/sound/.  I have a /dev/dsp which is not a symlink...
[11:09] <SeamusLP> pvh:  Well maybe it could be a hardlink
[11:09] <tbird> so now that hoary is final is there a dev out yet ?
[11:10] <guruyaya> thanks
[11:10] <Fast240Z> hey all, I have another question: what's a good free windows emulator for ubuntu, or can someone help me out with alien?
[11:10] <pvh> SeamusLP: Too weird.
[11:10] <crimsun> tbird: a what? a devel branch?
[11:10] <pvh> SeamusLP: do you have /dev/snd?
[11:10] <tbird> yeah crimsun
[11:10] <SeamusLP> pvh yeah
[11:10] <SeamusLP> pvh no /dev/sound/ like you were saying.  Are you sure you had that in the first place?
[11:10] <tbird> a development branch
[11:11] <spaetz_> *sigh* I cannot modify the applications menu in hoary.
[11:11] <crimsun> tbird: breezy is open for us to upload; we're waiting on the toolchain transition before anything is actually built
[11:11] <spaetz_> There is no context menu entry which allos to "add menu entry"
[11:11] <tbird> ok so its prob best to wait a while then ?
[11:11] <crimsun> tbird: so effectively, there is no dev branch yet.
[11:11] <kennethlove> Fast240Z: type 'alien --help'
[11:11] <tbird> crimsun, ok thnx was just wondering
[11:11] <SeamusLP> pvh:  I'd at least try restarting hotplug.  Perhaps it will correct it.
[11:12] <Fast240Z> kennethlove: I tried that, but I wasn't able to get it to work
[11:12] <quigi> hey room
[11:12] <kennethlove> what does it tell you?
[11:12] <Fast240Z> kennethlove: I'm trying to convert a winex rpm file to deb
[11:12] <Fast240Z> it gave me a bunch of errors, and said it wasn't able to convert the rpm file
[11:12] <quigi> anybody know how to load rpm packages on debian based linux
[11:13] <kennethlove> Fast240Z: no. what does alien --help tell you?
[11:13] <kennethlove> quigi - you have convert it using alient
[11:13] <tbird> quigi, alien packagename.rpm
[11:13] <kennethlove> er. alien
[11:13] <Fast240Z> oh, how to set the command for alien
[11:13] <Fast240Z> but when I tried the command, it didn't work
[11:13] <Fast240Z> it said that it should be formatted as "alien -d (rpm pathname)"
[11:14] <tbird> alien packagename.rpm workes fine for me
[11:14] <pestilence> m/e wonders if this is useful for other "warty -> hoary" people:
[11:14] <pestilence> oops
[11:14] <quigi> cool thanks
[11:14] <pestilence> sudo apt-get remove `apt-show-versions |grep "No available" | sed "s/ .*//"`
[11:14] <Fast240Z> so I don't have to type the -d?
[11:14] <kennethlove> guess not
[11:14] <tbird> Fast240Z, no
[11:15] <tbird> it should automaticlly create a .deb
[11:15] <quigi> ok then i can load the .deb file
[11:15] <quigi> i also have the RPM tool installed
[11:15] <tbird> yeah dpkg -i whatever.deb
[11:15] <quigi> can i use that
[11:16] <TayloR> Hey all :)
[11:16] <Fast240Z> it still gave me errors
[11:16] <quigi> ok another question
[11:16] <quigi> i use a powerbook lombard g3 - 333mhz G3 with ubuntu
[11:16] <tbird> Fast240Z, did you sudo alien packagename.rpm ?
[11:16] <slask3n> whats the root-password??
[11:16] <quigi> i am getting video snow after the unit gets hot
[11:16] <Fast240Z> yes I did
[11:17] <Fast240Z> exact command was "alien winex3.3.1.rpm"
[11:17] <Fast240Z> (the winex part is longer, I just didn't feel like typing it all here)
[11:17] <tbird> Fast240Z, no type this "sudo alien packagename.rpm"
[11:18] <Fast240Z> oh, sorry, I did type sudo
[11:18] <tbird> Fast240Z, unless you have created a root passwd
[11:18] <Fast240Z> yes I have
[11:18] <tbird> and are already root
[11:18] <slask3n> whats the root-password??
[11:18] <tbird> slask3n, there is none
[11:18] <Bazzi> slask3n there is none. use sudo
[11:18] <Fast240Z> slask3n: what do you mean?
[11:18] <kennethlove> slask3n - you set it during install
[11:19] <slask3n> no i did the n00b install today
[11:19] <tbird> slask3n, you can sudo root passwd and create one
[11:19] <slask3n> how do i set a root pass then?
[11:19] <Fast240Z> the type "sudo passwd root"
[11:19] <Fast240Z> *type
[11:19] <slask3n> ok, thanks :)
[11:19] <Jet2k5> Hey guys, just wanted to stop by and say thanks for those of you who helped me get this update working
[11:19] <Jet2k5> finally got it working
[11:19] <grout_> is there any support for the wifi card on the ibook yet?
[11:19] <jason> Hi I am trying to get gok to work (on screen keybd) I anabled and rebooted X but it say it needs libatk-bridge which I can't find, any ideas??
[11:19] <ells> does anyone know if linux has any kind of eq for audio program
[11:20] <tbird> Fast240Z, you could try to dl another rpm or try to reinstall alien
[11:20] <Fast240Z> yeah, I'm still having some problems with alien, its still giving me errors...anyone know of any other windows emulator?
[11:20] <grout_> is there any support for the wifi card on the ibook yet?
[11:20] <jason> Fast240Z, QEMU
[11:20] <Fast240Z> okay, what about converting a tarball file?  alien will do that too
[11:20] <Fast240Z> qemu?  can I apt-get that?
[11:20] <Fast240Z> or use synaptic to find it
[11:20] <pestilence> Fast240Z: does wine not work from the repositories?
[11:21] <Fast240Z> I didn't search for wine, just winex
[11:21] <pestilence> Package: wine
[11:21] <pestilence> Priority: optional
[11:21] <pestilence> Section: universe/otherosfs
[11:21] <jason> Fast240Z, yes U can apt-get
[11:21] <jazon> hi everyone.  Well, after fight FC3 for 3 weeks, I installed Hoary, and am  ever glad I did.  I have things working really great (for the most part).  However, I need a bit of help...
[11:22] <jason> Fast240Z, please note qemu is a virtual PC you need to install windows on it.
[11:22] <ells> does anyone know if linux has any kind of eq for audio program
[11:22] <Fast240Z> jason: is that the same with wine?
[11:22] <kennethlove> no. wine's just an emulator
[11:22] <Fast240Z> jason: I know that winex wasn't like that
[11:22] <Agrajag> kennethlove: no
[11:22] <Fast240Z> cool, I'll try wine
[11:22] <Agrajag> Wine Is Not an Emulator.
[11:23] <Fast240Z> what do you mean
[11:23] <mcdonaldswes> jazon: what do you need help with?
[11:23] <jason> Fast240Z, no wine is not an emulator, its libraries to run windows stuff
[11:23] <kennethlove> heh, ah
[11:23] <cionuser> hey all need some help with wirless USB adapter
[11:23] <cionuser> some1 can help me?
[11:23] <Fast240Z> all I want to be able to do is run half life, dwi, games like that
[11:23] <McScruff> how do u mount an iso file?
[11:23] <guruyaya> thanks for you help guys. Have to leave now
[11:23] <ells> does anyone know if linux has any kind of eq for audio program
[11:23] <guruyaya> byr
[11:23] <pestilence> Fast240Z: as far as i know, wine is what you want
[11:24] <pestilence> Fast240Z: i ran office using it a couple of years ago
[11:24] <jason> can anyone help me with gok (on screen keybd) it needs libatk-bridge but I can find what package that is in??
[11:24] <Fast240Z> that's what I had thought, I'll just have to see how it works
[11:24] <kennethlove> jason - an apt-get install libatk* returns nothing for you?
[11:24] <pestilence> get wine-doc while you are at it
[11:24] <pestilence> Suggests: wine-doc, wine-utils, msttcorefonts, binfmt-support
[11:25] <jazon> thanks mcdonaldswes - Well, a couple of things...  I have a strange problem - my Intel i915P sound set is working well, except that I am geting an error with TOTEM - Totem could not startup.ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program.
[11:25] <tbird> winesetuptk is nice too
[11:25] <cionuser> I LOVE UBUNTUUUUU just need some help, how do I install a USP wireless adapter????
[11:25] <cionuser> USB SORRY
[11:25] <pestilence> cionuser: perhaps you need to use ndiswrapper?
[11:25] <Fast240Z> how the hell do you use apt-get anyways?  can I just type "apt-get install (packagename)"?
[11:25] <jazon> cionuser - good luck - I never did get it to work
[11:25] <pestilence> Fast240Z: precisely
[11:25] <cionuser> damn No wayyy
[11:25] <pestilence> Fast240Z: probably with a "sudo" at the front
[11:25] <grout_> how do i get a list of packages apt-get has
[11:25] <kangpeh> heh
[11:26] <jason> kennethlove, thanks thats seems to be it. :)
[11:26] <ells> does anyone know if linux has any kind of eq for audio program
[11:26] <pestilence> grout_: apt-cache show
[11:26] <dcraven> McScruff, "mount whatever.iso /path/to/mountpoint -o loop" should do it.
[11:26] <kennethlove> jason - no worries. i love that trick
[11:26] <cens0red> having trouble installing mplayer. Insists that it needs libavcodec2, but that it's not going to be installed for some reason.
[11:26] <kbrooks> modprobe loop
[11:26] <pestilence> grout_: err apt-cache search
[11:26] <Fast240Z> ah, okay, so I don't have to use the damned package manager?
[11:26] <Kirsch> hey guys, why am i not receiving any updates VIA synaptic? i haevn't received an update since release.
[11:26] <cionuser> if i can't have internet i'll switch to WIN XP :(
[11:26] <pestilence> Fast240Z: if by "damned package manager" you mean synaptic, no.
[11:26] <XTC> hello....
[11:26] <dcraven> grout_, packages.ubuntu.org has a list I think.
[11:26] <Fast240Z> lol
[11:26] <ells> does anyone know if linux has any kind of eq for audio program
[11:26] <Fast240Z> yeah
[11:27] <Fast240Z> everyoen suggests I use apt-get
[11:27] <XTC> i have setup a some routing rules for my home lan
[11:27] <kennethlove> synaptic is pretty good. the descriptions are a real time saver
[11:27] <Fast240Z> and I didn't know how to use it
[11:27] <kbrooks> cionuser,  i can get you ndiswrapper
[11:27] <Fast240Z> *everyone
[11:27] <Dr_Jekyll> re
[11:27] <XTC> but everytime i reboot i gotta type the rules set
[11:27] <Fast240Z> I like synaptic myself, but most people tell me to apt-get
[11:27] <XTC> onto a shell
[11:27] <pestilence> kennethlove: also available via apt-cache show
[11:27] <kennethlove> ells - i know there are some equalizers in KDE
[11:27] <XTC> where can i put these so they setup at boot?
[11:27] <ells> kennethlove: what are they and do you think they will work in gnome
[11:27] <Dr_Jekyll> what is the most easy way to view fonts? (and to know whats their "long name" so i can use this name for the terminal emulator)
[11:27] <grout_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:28] <pestilence> ells: have you looked under "sound and video"?
[11:28] <cionuser> WHAT's that ???
[11:28] <Dr_Jekyll> and i don't use nautilus/gnome
[11:28] <pestilence> ells: in kde, it's kmix
[11:28] <kennethlove> ells - i can't remember off the top of my head, and they should.
[11:28] <Fast240Z> next question: I just used alien to convert a tarball to deb, and now it says that the status database area is locked
[11:28] <dcraven> Kirsch, you can change your sources to breezy now and update, but there isn't much there just yet either.
[11:28] <pestilence> ells: and yes, it works in gnome.
[11:28] <ells> pestilence: thanks
[11:28] <grout_> do i have to be root to use apt-get?
[11:28] <Fast240Z> how do I unlock it?
[11:28] <Kirsch> ah ok
[11:28] <kennethlove> grout - no, you can do sudo
[11:28] <Kirsch> thx
[11:28] <Fast240Z> grout_: you can sudo
[11:28] <pestilence> grout_: yes
[11:28] <Dr_Jekyll> grout_: exactly
[11:28] <pestilence> grout_: you have to have root priveleges
[11:28] <Huwge> XTC: 'man interfaces'
[11:28] <Dr_Jekyll> grout_: sudo apt-get
[11:28] <kbrooks> pestilence, DUDE
[11:28] <murrayc> I can't seem to find this ubuntu nautilsu key in my hoary.
[11:28] <jazon> for some background info, I have all my procedures litsed here: http://spyd.sytes.net:8000/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=16am.
[11:29] <pestilence> kbrooks: yes?
[11:29] <kennethlove> anyone here have netatalk working?
[11:29] <Huwge> XTC: you can have the routes added on startup with a few 'post-up' statements
[11:29] <kbrooks> pestilence, not with su
[11:29] <kbrooks> :/
[11:29] <dcraven> murrayc, /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial?
[11:29] <grout_> so what does sudo mean?
[11:29] <dcraven> murrayc, if you don't have it, you can create it. Make it a boolean.
[11:29] <Fast240Z> super user do
[11:29] <cionuser> super user do
[11:30] <Dr_Jekyll> anyone got a clue how to get my 4in1 USB cardreader to work? /proc/bus/usb/devices says driver is (none)
[11:30] <ells> pestilence: I appreciate it, but it is not a true equalizer.
[11:30] <murrayc> dcraven: No, it's not there. I'll create it. Thanks.
[11:30] <Fast240Z> anyone know how to make the icons/system fonts smaller in gnome?
[11:30] <Huwge> XTC: s/post-up/up/
[11:30] <XTC> !
[11:30] <cionuser> anyone can help me with wireless USB adapter? how do i install it
[11:30] <XTC> thx... but is that a text file?
[11:30] <pestilence> ells: i'm sorry, i guess i misunderstood your question
[11:30] <Fast240Z> cionuser: what's your problem?
[11:30] <kennethlove> Fast240Z: look under System. there are apps for that
[11:30] <ells> pestilence: I wanted to change my music: no problem
[11:30] <XTC> :p
[11:30] <dcraven> murrayc, no problem. And if you are the murrayc from gtkmm & friends, then thank YOU!
[11:30] <pestilence> ells: change your music?
[11:30] <crypticreign[w] > what does Lock Screen call... xlock?
[11:30] <mindmedic> what exactly runs usually on port 1025-1027... the win rpc daemon?
[11:31] <ells> pestilence: add and take out bass, you know with an eq
[11:31] <pestilence> crypticreign[w] : probably xscreensaver-command -lock
[11:31] <XTC> oh i got it
[11:31] <XTC> ;D
[11:31] <murrayc> dcraven: I am. Thanks for taking away that pain.
[11:31] <ells> pestilence: while listening
[11:31] <XTC> i think....
[11:31] <mindmedic> because most connections blocked by the firewall are from that port range
[11:31] <XTC> thx Huwge
[11:31] <Huwge> XTC: np
[11:31] <dcraven> murrayc, anytime :)
[11:31] <pestilence> ells: ah...i don't know about that
[11:31] <grout_> so everytime i wanna install something i gotta type sudo apt-get
[11:31] <kennethlove> grout - yep
[11:31] <ells> pestilence; cool
[11:31] <kennethlove> well, if it's something from the repos
[11:31] <cionuser> @Fast240Z@ I don't have a clue how to install my wireless apater
[11:31] <Fast240Z> grout_: either that, or login as root
[11:31] <topyli> hmm. 531 people on #ubuntu. no chance i can follow this traffic :)
[11:32] <murrayc> I've given up apt-get since I started using ubuntu. synaptic works fine.
[11:32] <jazon> does keeping track of that stuff help to figure out why I am having a a problem?
[11:32] <Dr_Jekyll> this chan s pretty full in the eveneings
[11:32] <crypticreign[w] > pestilence: Lock Screen has stopped working
[11:32] <XTC> humm.... Huwge .....
[11:32] <Huwge> XTC: yup
[11:32] <pestilence> crypticreign[w] : did you try running "xscreensaver-command -lock" from a command prompt?
[11:32] <dcraven> grout_, try synaptic, it's nice.
[11:33] <ells> has anyone been having issues with xmms locking up
[11:33] <XTC> i'm a total n00b here so.... do i just type the stuff into the file? (/etc//network/interfaces)?
[11:33] <ells> it does it on my laptop and my desktop
[11:33] <kennethlove> ells: yeah. me, too.
[11:33] <Dr_Jekyll> anyone got a clue how to get my 4in1 USB CARDREADER to work? /proc/bus/usb/devices says driver is (none)
[11:33] <crypticreign[w] > pestilence: yeah i got "xscreensaver-command: no screensaver is running on display :0.0"
[11:33] <Dr_Jekyll> *repeat*
[11:33] <ells> kennethlove: I think it has turned into a piece of crap
[11:33] <tbird> cionuser, you could try chling out   https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:33] <ells> kennethlove: I use rythmbox now
[11:33] <kennethlove> ells: luckily i use itunes on my ibook for most listening
[11:33] <pestilence> crypticreign[w] : then, you need to start xscreensaver :)
[11:34] <ells> kennethlove: I wish itunes was fully functional in linux
[11:34] <Dr_Jekyll> ells: try bmp
[11:34] <Dr_Jekyll> beep media player
[11:34] <pestilence> crypticreign[w] : try running xscreensaver-demo
[11:34] <ells> bmp?
[11:34] <XTC> Huwge, i'm using iptables for soing routing.....
[11:34] <grout_> whats the url for the list of apt-get packages
[11:34] <ells> okay
[11:34] <tbird> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[11:34] <kennethlove> Dr_Jekyll: apt-get install ???? beep? bmp?
[11:34] <Dr_Jekyll> ells: it's a port of xmms, using gtk2
[11:35] <Dr_Jekyll> kennethlove: beep-media-player
[11:35] <kennethlove> thanks.
[11:35] <jazon> may I repost my quest?
[11:35] <jazon> uggghhhhh question
[11:35] <Huwge> XTC: in '/etc/inin
[11:35] <XTC> !!
[11:35] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: thanks
[11:35] <Dr_Jekyll> np
[11:35] <XTC> i found a command xD
[11:35] <XTC> iptables-save
[11:35] <pestilence> jazon: shoot
[11:35] <jazon> thanks mcdonaldswes - Well, a couple of things...  I have a strange problem - my Intel i915P sound set is working well, except that I am geting an error with TOTEM - Totem could not startup.ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program.
[11:35] <jazon> for some background info, I have all my procedures litsed here: http://spyd.sytes.net:8000/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=16am.
[11:35] <XTC> i suppose it saves current config....
[11:35] <XTC> i'll give it a try
[11:36] <Huwge> XTC: in '/etc/network/interfaces' you can simply add lines like 'up iptabels some_rule' in the network interfaces definition
[11:36] <Huwge> XTC: or try using iptables-save
[11:36] <tbird> jason, lsof works well to see whats using certain things
[11:36] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: no offense, but like xmms, it locks up
[11:36] <XTC> yeah i'll try
[11:36] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: xmms wont work on my laptop and my desktop
[11:36] <XTC> i'm very tired to think and learn new stuuf now...  :( but the has to stay up
[11:36] <Dr_Jekyll> ells: something serious is fucked up then :/
[11:37] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: rythmbox works on both computers
[11:37] <XTC> (i've slept only 12 hours since sunday night)
[11:37] <XTC> =(
[11:37] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: plays all audio
[11:37] <Huwge> XTC: :/ get some sleep dude
[11:37] <slask3n> Package libgift was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgift.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable -- Where and how can i do this
[11:37] <Dr_Jekyll> ells: strange, stick to rythmbox if u like it
[11:37] <XTC> yeah i'll leave this thing right and get into my envelope
[11:37] <grout_> how do i install a .deb?
[11:37] <kennethlove> grout_: dpkg -i package.deb
[11:37] <Dr_Jekyll> grout_: dpkg -i package.deb
[11:38] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: just dont like it when something dont work right for some reason
[11:38] <Dr_Jekyll> lol
[11:38] <dcraven> slask3n, do you have libgift-dev installed?
[11:38] <pestilence> jazon: can you dump `ps x` into #flood?
[11:38] <Dr_Jekyll> ells: start xmms from a terminal, so u can see what makes it crash
[11:38] <slask3n> dont think so.. can install it now...
[11:38] <neighborlee> ubuntu defaults to ext3..does this mean ubuntu team feels that its more stable than reiser ? < I am curious b e cuase reiser4 ( by some distros) is noted as being 'unbrekable' ??
[11:38] <BackSlaSh83> i've an enormous problem, i apt-updated and installed some software...now gnome is gone..freezing after login befor bootsplash...
[11:38] <BackSlaSh83> any1 can help?
[11:38] <dcraven> slask3n, go for it.
[11:38] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: have tried both, it crashes when I press play
[11:39] <Dr_Jekyll> ells: what does the terminal output on crash?
[11:39] <Fast240Z> anyone know anything about nautilus?
[11:39] <Dr_Jekyll> segfault?
[11:39] <dcraven> neighborlee, I'd guess yes. Ext3 is quite proven.
[11:39] <Fleebailey33> is anyone here good with syncing palm and linux?
[11:39] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: hold one will see
[11:39] <jazon> done
[11:39] <cyberkni> Does anyone know if there is an adaptation of apt-spy in ubuntu? The apt-spy package is in universal however is is just the debian util which does not help with ubuntu
[11:40] <dazed> how quick do forum post get replied?
[11:40] <Dr_Jekyll> cyberkni: whats apt-spy?
[11:40] <pestilence> jazon: so, the totem that's running is the one that's reporting the error?
[11:40] <kangpeh> installing KDE from ubuntu
[11:40] <dcraven> cyberkni, not to my knowledge.. I tried it too.
[11:40] <thoreauputic_> dazed: you might get faster replies on the mailing list
[11:40] <kangpeh> hope this doesn't kill my system
[11:40] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: it doesnt say anything,  just hangs
[11:40] <kangpeh> cuz my system is exactly how i want it to be right now
[11:40] <cyberkni> Dr_Jekyll, Its a util that benchmarks various apt sources and returns the fastest servers to you
[11:41] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: kennethlove has the same issue
[11:41] <cyberkni> dcraven, oh well, the default sources keep dropping my connections which is annoying.. i guess I'll fix it the old fasion way
[11:41] <pestilence> jazon: if i were you, i would start by killing the volume manager and maybe esd just to see what happens
[11:41] <Dr_Jekyll> ells: sorry, i for myself are rather noobish, so i cant help you
[11:41] <jazon> pestilence - i did not know i had one running
[11:41] <pestilence> jazon: then that's probably the problem :)
[11:41] <dcraven> dazed, it obviously varies depending on the question and who reads it. If it is a well titled, precise question, then your time to respond drops 10 fold.
[11:42] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: what did you just say
[11:42] <jazon> ???
[11:42] <pestilence> jazon: kill -KILL 10701
[11:42] <Fast240Z> thanks for all of your help everyone!
[11:42] <Dr_Jekyll> ells: i'm not a linux-expert, so i have no clue what's fucking up your xmms :)
[11:42] <BackSlaSh83> i really need help...
[11:42] <jazon> lol
[11:42] <dazed> dcraven true but will i get better help then in hear...cuz its not like i get bad help just no one knows about my problem
[11:42] <pestilence> jazon: work?
[11:42] <Fast240Z> ells: whats your problem with xmms?
[11:42] <ells> Dr_Jekyll: Cool, bet. Will stick to rythmbox for now
[11:42] <dazed> do dev's read forums?
[11:42] <bwlang> BackSlaSh83: that is about the worst way to get it...
[11:42] <jazon> guess everyone can see what i was testing TOTEM with earlier lol
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[11:42] <dcraven> dazed, it doesn't hurt to try.
[11:43] <pestilence> jazon: hahaha
[11:43] <ells> Fast240Z,  everytime I go to play music in xmms, it locks up
[11:43] <XTC> nah it doesn't work
[11:43] <XTC> :(
[11:43] <dazed> dcraven: oh i tried
[11:43] <Fast240Z> yeah
[11:43] <Fast240Z> running gnome?
[11:43] <jazon> pestilence: nope - same error when i double click the file
[11:43] <pestilence> i'm not a huge fan of totem...i always install mplayer.
[11:43] <fangorious> anyone know how to determine what's going on during ht "Configuring Network Interfaces" bootup sequence?
[11:43] <ells> yesp
[11:43] <ells> yeap
[11:43] <Fast240Z> ells: I had the same problem
[11:43] <ells> what ya do
[11:43] <Fast240Z> ells: go into xmms, then go to preferences
[11:43] <ells> okay
[11:43] <Fast240Z> ells: then change the output from oss to alsa or esound
[11:43] <fangorious> It takes at least a minute for me, and only 'lo' is marked 'auto' in my /etc/network/interfaces
[11:44] <ells> okay
[11:44] <pestilence> jazon: perhaps the simplest thing to do would be to reboot and see if that fixes it.  i'm certain there is a way to fix it without rebooting...but...
[11:44] <BackSlaSh83> bwlang,: i know but thats' the truth
[11:44] <Fast240Z> ells: mine only works with esound
[11:44] <pestilence> jazon: it would seem that totem has crashed, and locked the sound system
[11:44] <blahrus> anyone have a dvdripping software working on amd64?
[11:44] <jazon> pestilence:  rebooting does NOT correct the problem
[11:44] <synd> mike jones who
[11:44] <pestilence> jazon: oh.
[11:45] <jazon> btw, is there a shortcut to typing who you are responding to?
[11:45] <ells> Fast240Z it did not work with either
[11:45] <ells> Fast240Z: it works with rythmbox though
[11:45] <Fast240Z> ells: hmmm, not sure then, that's what my problem was
[11:45] <pestilence> jazon: tab?
[11:45] <fangorious> jazon, some clients have tab completion, i think x-chat does
[11:45] <ells> Fast240Z: it is all good: xmms use to work easy from the get go
[11:45] <Ed_Gein> what is the command for storing alsa settings after using alsmixer?
[11:46] <Fast240Z> ells: you could try using bmp instead, it works like xmms and looks pretty
[11:46] <BackSlaSh83> alsactl store
[11:46] <jazon> pestilence,  cool - i like that!
[11:46] <bwlang> BackSlaSh83: just post the symptom you're seeing... looks like your gnome session is screwed up... try logging in as another user. or telinit 1 and come back up to be sure that there are no stray processes hanging around
[11:46] <ells> Fast240Z: same issue as xmms for me
[11:46] <pestilence> jazon: gotta run, good luck.
[11:46] <jazon> thanks
[11:47] <dcraven> dazed, that is a difficult problem to diagnose.
[11:47] <BackSlaSh83> bwlang: another user tryed, nothing
[11:47] <Fast240Z> anyone know what the lock icon means on one of the folders?  I mounted my fat32 windows partition, and some of my files have lock icons on them
[11:47] <BackSlaSh83> bwlang: and i dunno how to look if there are stalling proceses
[11:47] <fangorious> Fast240Z, i believe that means they're write-protected
[11:47] <bwlang> BackSlaSh83: i just don't have time to go through it with you ... sorry - here's a hint though... use the console ctrl+alt+f1 and ps aux to see what's hanging.
[11:48] <Fast240Z> fangorious: any idea how to make them writeable?
[11:48] <graabein> oh yes... just ended my very first freeciv session!
[11:48] <graabein> good night
[11:49] <neighborlee> dcraven: yup..just wanted to verify...works for me
[11:49] <dazed> dcraven:  i know thats why i would like someone who knwos what they are doing to look at it
[11:49] <blahrus> anyone know where to grab transcode for amd64?
[11:49] <clandestine> Hi ya all, I'm having sound problem, anyone hard that before? ;-D I get no sound at all from XMMS but the loginnoise is audible. Anyone knows what for me to do, or could point me towards some solution manual?
[11:49] <fangorious> it should be all or nothing, though. you said only some have the lock? can you notice any pattern to what is locked and what isn't?
[11:49] <rempresent> hey everyone
[11:49] <dazed> dcraven: i do infact know its a hoary problem cuz it never happened once on warty and started happening immediately on hoary
[11:49] <Fast240Z> it's only my pictures folder on my fat32 drive
[11:49] <rempresent> i just installed hoary on my laptop and i am having trouble configuring the wireless card
[11:50] <blizzo> hi I installed java but it doesnt work with firefox ... I moved to ~/.mozilla/plugins and did a ln -s /opt/jdk1.5.0_02/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so but firefox returns an error on start: INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager
[11:50] <rempresent> it is a broadcam chip, and it is hard to find drivers for it... so does anyone have any leads
[11:50] <Fast240Z> fangorious:nm, got to run, I'll deal with it later...thanks anyways!
[11:50] <fangorious> anyone have any idea on the "Configuring Network Interfaces" during bootup thing?
[11:51] <blizzo> am I doing s.th wrong? ;)
[11:51] <Koljonen> im currently using fglrxconfig and i have no idea what to set as the vertical and horizontal refresh rates for my tv :/ any suggestions?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> clandestine: have you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[11:51] <dcraven> rempresent, try ndiswrapper. Broadcoms work with it.
[11:51] <thoreauputic> clandestine: and you probably need to configure xmms to use esd for audio output
[11:51] <XTC> anybody knows how to work with iptables?
[11:51] <rempresent> yeah, i got ndiswrapper, got the deb package and installed it or unpacked it with no problems.. what do i do now
[11:52] <clandestine> thorea
[11:52] <gaio> exceptions.AttributeError:
[11:52] <gaio> 'module' object has no attribute 'net'
[11:52] <gaio> >> could not load source code for hilighting <<
[11:52] <clandestine> omg
[11:52] <gaio> anyone can help me?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> clandestine: try tab completion ;)
[11:52] <clandestine> thorea > I will look into it, thanx! A lot of googling didn't give me that one. :-D
[11:52] <blahrus> anyone know where to grab transcode for amd64 because i am out of luck on building it from source?
[11:53] <jazon> fangorious, do you have any suggestions for me?
[11:53] <jazon> thanks mcdonaldswes - Well, a couple of things...  I have a strange problem - my Intel i915P sound set is working well, except that I am geting an error with TOTEM - Totem could not startup.ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program.
[11:53] <clandestine> thorea > Well, I tried tab compl, but I don't know if Miranda supports it... didn't seem like it anyway. ;-D
[11:53] <jazon> for some background info, I have all my procedures litsed here: http://spyd.sytes.net:8000/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=16am.
[11:53] <fangorious> jazon: about what?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> clandestine: I would also suggest you install mpg123 an ogg123 and use those as output for xmms
[11:53] <rempresent> dcraven:  what do i do now that i have ndiswrapper installed
[11:53] <rempresent> ?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> clandestine: miranda?
[11:54] <dcraven> rempresent, do you have the Windows drivers? (*.inf and *.sys) I'm looking for the wiki instructions.
[11:54] <St0n3-C0l> anybody tried YaST here ?
[11:54] <St0n3-C0l> for Debian ;)
[11:54] <topyli> uhh
[11:54] <jazon> fangorious, see right above
[11:54] <rempresent> dcraven:  yeah, i gots them
[11:54] <BackSlaSh83> bwlang, sorry some problem with telinit (feels noob)
[11:55] <jazon> fangorious,  - my Intel i915P sound set is working well, except that I am geting an error with TOTEM - Totem could not startup.ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program.
[11:55] <St0n3-C0l> jazon: Try disable your GNOME sounds
[11:56] <grout_> they make yast for debian?
[11:56] <St0n3-C0l> grout_: Yep..
[11:56] <St0n3-C0l> it's good
[11:56] <fangorious> jazon: what St0n3-C0l said. alternatively set the Multimedia Systems Select to ESD
[11:56] <blizzo> thats the way it works: ln -s /opt/jdk1.5.0_02/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so libjavaplugin_oji.so (not ns7-gcc) ;)
[11:56] <topyli> St0n3-C0l: yast for debian? are you sure yast can configure debian on all those architectures? :)
[11:56] <dcraven> rempresent, Okay, try running "ndiswrapper -i /path/to/windowsdriver.inf".
[11:56] <St0n3-C0l> http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/
[11:56] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know how I can change the mouse cursor in XFCE?
[11:56] <grout_> does it run better then on suse?
[11:56] <rempresent> dcraven: alright hold
[11:56] <fangorious> grout_: i can't imagine yast running worse
[11:57] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah...they got YaST from Novell and configured for the use of Debian users
[11:57] <Quest-Master> GCursor changes it for Gnome, but I don't know what to use for XFCE
[11:57] <BackSlaSh83> bwlang: however: gdm login on other sessione than gnome (ie: xfce4) if i try to launch gnome(bt gdm or shell): no splash, i get the mouse but nothing else
[11:57] <topyli> St0n3-C0l: interesting and scary
[11:57] <XTC> how do i make changes to my iptables permanent in ubuntu?
[11:58] <fangorious> XTC: is there an /etc/init.d script for iptables?
[11:58] <St0n3-C0l> topyli: They're in debs and comes with apt lines
[11:58] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[11:58] <jazon> fangorious, I  set the Multimedia Systems Select to ESD, and it now works... thanks dude!
[11:58] <St0n3-C0l> It really helps those who're very new to debian
[11:59] <Dr_Jekyll> anyone got a clue how to get my 4in1 USB CARDREADER to work? /proc/bus/usb/devices says driver is (none)
[11:59] <XTC> i think not so
[11:59] <fangorious> XTC: iptables supports arguments like --save and --restore that you can use to save the rules at shutdown, and then load them again at startup
[11:59] <XTC> no
[11:59] <topyli> XTC: you do need a script though. iptables rules are not sticky
[11:59] <XTC> :(
[11:59] <fangorious> XTC: see the manpage for the details on the commands. If you have access to an FC box you can look at their init.d script which does the save/restore