[12:02] <Kamion> oh, btw, Kubuntu Hoary DVDs published some time ago
[12:02] <Kamion> (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/release/)
[12:02] <Kamion> just torrents, as previously mentioned
[12:11] <cartel_> guys has anyone run into kwallet shattering dcop stack
[12:12] <cartel_> my kde is so fubar now
[12:12] <cartel_> i dont know how to fix it
[12:19] <cartel_> ok interesting, a development
[12:19] <cartel_> killall -9 kded and restart kded unfucked the environment
[12:36] <allee> cartel_: logout/in  still have the problem?  --> check ~/.xsession-error ask on #kubuntu if you can't interpret it ;)
[03:14] <CygnusX1> Hello.  I am trying to install kubuntu 5.04 on an Asus A7N8X-DEL (nforce2/sil3112SATA).  My iso checksum is good, CD file checksum is good.  Install fails trying to mount CD-ROM for packages. In debug I see: Missing module 'ide-mod' ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy.
[03:14] <CygnusX1> I have used three different optical drives.
[03:15] <CygnusX1> I just manually mounted the CD from within installer and the check cdrom integ option is running well.  However, install will not go forward like this.
[03:32] <CygnusX1> Oh...there we go.  I forgot to read the part in the manual that said to break out into a virtual terminal, mount the CD-ROM, Check integrity, THEN the install works.  Thank you guys anyway!
[07:59] <froud> question for Kubuntu User Manual. What is the recomended Spec on PC to run Kubuntu (Processor, RAM, DiskSpace etc)
[09:40] <amu>     *  Pentium II+, 266 MHz oder hher, oder jeder AMD64- bzw. Intel EM64T-Prozessor
[09:40] <amu>     * 1  2 physikalische CPUs
[09:40] <amu>     * Mindestens 128 MB (256 MB empfohlen, 64 GB maximal) physikalisches RAM
[09:40] <amu>     * 800 MB freier Festplattenplatz
[09:40] <amu>     * 8 TB maximaler Festplattenplatz
[09:40] <amu>     * 800 x 600 oder hhere Bildschirmauflsung; 1024 x 768 oder hher empfohlen
[09:41] <amu> s/EM64T/PowerPC
[02:17] <froud-work> amu: thanks. good thing i can sepak some german :-)
[04:35] <Riddell> allee: do you know where kapture is in CVS?
[04:36] <allee> Riddell: kdenonbeta/kdedebian/kapture  I'm not sure if it's currently alpha or beta
[04:37] <allee> Riddell: ask mornfall on #kalyxo  he's the developer.   Have not seen a commit since quite some time.
[04:38] <allee> Riddell: some month ago it was impressing but not mature enough for general usage
[04:38] <Riddell> allee: richt, thanks
[04:54] <dannya> Riddell: you should do a dot story about the award that mattias ettrich has won...
[04:56] <Riddell> dannya: feel free to submit one
[04:56] <dannya> hehe
[04:56] <Riddell> or get Martin Konold to do it, he was there
[04:56] <dannya> well, I guess it would be a bit low on information...
[04:57] <dannya> "mattias ettrich wins *bla* award - that is all"
[04:57] <dannya> :)
[04:57] <dannya> Riddell: did I hear something about kubuntu having KDE CVS snapshots sometime in the future?
[04:57] <Riddell> also it was won jointly with a certain former KDE developer so that would need to be handled correctly
[04:58] <dannya> hehe
[04:58] <dannya> well, someone announced it on planet.gnome.org...
[04:58] <Riddell> dannya: I'd like to do KDE CVS .debs, dunno if it'll happen
[04:58] <dannya> well, it certainly would be great
[04:58] <dannya> fortnightly would be enough...
[05:00] <Riddell> kubuntu needs a source code repository
[05:01] <dannya> yep
[05:02] <Riddell> well, a repository, for debian/ directories and the website and things
[05:31] <JRe> hello
[05:37] <JRe> :)
[05:37] <JRe> thanks alls for your good works on kubuntu
[05:47] <dannya> Riddell: where are the crystal action icons located in CVS?
[06:03] <dannya> Riddell: where are the crystal action icons located in CVS?
[06:04] <Riddell> dannya: kdelibs/pics/crystalsvg
[06:05] <dannya> Riddell: I scraped by... :)
[06:06] <JRe> :)
[06:09] <dannya> Riddell: kdelibs/pics/crystalsvg/svgz-action-text_italic.svgz is incorrectly named, right?
[06:11] <Riddell> dannya: certinaly is
[06:11] <Riddell> hmm, Frank, hmm
[06:11] <Riddell> dannya: feel free to fix it
[06:11] <dannya> yay! I win! :)
[06:11] <dannya> Riddell: ok
[06:20] <dannya> Riddell: what do you think to changing some names in crystal/filesystems?
[06:20] <dannya> Riddell: to standardise them...
[06:20] <Riddell> dannya: names can't be changed
[06:20] <dannya> Riddell: why is that?
[06:21] <Riddell> dannya: because they're part of the API so need to be fixed until KDE 4
[06:21] <dannya> Riddell: there is naming clashes...
[06:22] <Riddell> dannya: how do you mean?
[06:22] <dannya> Riddell: also, these particular icons are only referenced in the .theme file...
[06:22] <dannya> Riddell: see filesys/zip and mimetypes/zip
[06:22] <Riddell> hmm, nasty
[06:22] <dannya> you see it?
[06:23] <Riddell> yes, although I've never noticed it causing a problem
[06:23] <dannya> I propose that, in filesys, all the 3 overlay images (link, lock and zip) are renamed *_overlay
[06:23] <dannya> Riddell: I have :)
[06:24] <dannya> Riddell: the filesys/zip icon is only referenced in the .theme file, right?
[06:25] <Riddell> probably
[06:25] <dannya> so, no impact to changing them, right?
[06:26] <dannya> we cannot change the mimetypes naming, but, these ones can be...
[06:27] <Riddell> dannya: hmm, I would check it with kwwii or tackat first
[06:27] <dannya> yep
[06:28] <dannya> kwwii has been away 19 hours...
[06:32] <dannya> Riddell: what is happening with crystal in the future? is a totally new set being made?
[08:04] <AMIGrAve> hi all
[08:14] <AMIGrAve> what do you think if we communicate to all developpers of linux apps to use ~/.etc/ folder to write the configuration files instead of ~/  ? The goal would be that if the folder ~/.etc/ does exists it is used, if not ~/ is used. So let's say that in some years linux users will have a clean home folder ?? Am I utopist / ridiculous / funny  ?
[08:18] <Kamion> ~/.etc/ just makes us gratuitously incompatible with the rest of Unix for no sufficiently good reason. lots of people share home directories between Linux and other Unix systems
[08:18] <Kamion> if you want a clean home folder, don't look at dotfiles
[08:20] <AMIGrAve> Kamion: if a user do not create the ~/.etc/ folder it is not used, so you would have the choice
[08:20] <Kamion> so more complicated code in every application. yay.
[08:21] <AMIGrAve> Kamion: and I hate hiding dot files. I don't like the idea of having files in folders. But having all these dot files in my home makes me crazy too
[08:21] <Kamion> chill :)
[08:22] <Kamion> and something that assumes nothing will ever automatically create ~/.etc/ is wishful thinking; some day some broken application would, and then suddenly your configuration files would go insane
[08:23] <Kamion> or some application would *only* accept ~/.etc/ and you'd have no choice
[08:26] <AMIGrAve> no, the goal it that progressively applications checks if the ~/.etc/ folder exists. The goal is not that application use only ~/.etc/ 
[08:26] <AMIGrAve> for people who does not create the ~/.etc/ folder it won't change anything
[08:27] <AMIGrAve> for people who create it, they will have a mix between config files in ~/ and in  ~/.etc/ until all applications support this feature, then when the time will come, they'll have all config in ~/.etc/
[08:27] <Kamion> goals are nice, but you're assuming that a huge range of disparate programmers with no overriding authority will respect some goal you lay out
[08:27] <Kamion> they won't
[08:27] <Kamion> s/some goal/some policy/
[08:27] <AMIGrAve> who won't ?
[08:28] <AMIGrAve> sorry didn't read prevoious message
[08:28] <Kamion> it just doesn't work
[08:29] <Kamion> people suggest this about once a month, btw
[08:29] <AMIGrAve> well if an effort is made at system level, any goal can be reached. If a standard function or watherver is defined for using config files, this function could be hooked for using another folder than the default one
[08:29] <Kamion> in various places
[08:30] <AMIGrAve> Kamion: oh ! so I'm not the only one to be annoyed by all these dot files in home ;-)
[08:30] <Kamion> I'm afraid that's hopelessly wishful thinking, sorry. Since that function would not be portable to other Unix systems, you'll never get everyone to use it.
[08:30] <Kamion> I'd probably go so far as to say you'd only get a very few people to use it (#ifdefs are annoying)
[08:33] <amu> AMIGrAve: the better solution is kioskmode, i'm not happy atm how it's implemteted atm  
[08:37] <AMIGrAve> Kamion: mhh yeah right
[10:15] <uniq> anyone tried to dist-upgrade to breezy yet? 
[10:36] <amu> yep
[10:39] <uniq> any problems? 
[10:42] <amu> yeah a missing g++ :) 
[10:42] <uniq> well, won't the old one from hoary remain? :)
[10:43] <uniq> i can make a new chroot for hoary.. if i need to compile anything :)
[10:43] <amu> it will be 4.0
[10:44] <uniq> I've figured.. started the dist-upgrade now.
[10:45] <amu> some gnome apps are new, that's all, there was a big merge comming from universe.
[10:45] <uniq> k.. the "import * from debian" is done? 
[10:45] <amu> my sys already works, except some reported python probs
[10:47] <amu> hmm probably, i run no universe except some addtion packages for video and sound support *duck* 
[10:48] <uniq> ok.