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KaiLsmouche: is it enabled for /dev/hda?12:01
TayloRin enabling it by typing hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd ( my cdroms hdd ) , will this always be in dma from now on even if i reboot? 12:01
alleeKaiL: tell you're mam to connect to internet  and ask on irc channel (k)ubuntu.  What will she answer?12:01
alleesmouche: add it to /etc/hdparm.conf12:01
KaiLallee: so it's over to you to discuss with the guys in #ubuntu-devel :)12:02
smouchewhoa, good catch, allee -- I didn 't check that, thanks!12:02
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alleesmouche: tip:  dpkg -L  <pkg> is often your friend to discover goodies!12:02
KaiLbut we also need a graphical installer for ndiswrapper-"modules" in knetworkconf..12:03
smouchethanks, allee -- TayloR - did you catch that about /etc/hdparm.conf?  12:03
KaiLjust selecting the windows-driver on the cd *might* be ok12:03
KaiLat least for now12:04
alleeKaiL: passing the mam test is a known criteria on -devel.  They work hard to achieve it.  But we know it a long way to go12:04
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smouchethanks allee, I'll check dpkg -L <pkg>  -- you've made me curious...12:04
KaiLfor now we should set the absolute minimum level to "problem can be solved here and doesn't need a gcc"12:05
TayloRsorry i was afk for a minute there12:05
TayloRreading up now 12:05
KaiL...for *every* hardware problem, that is12:05
TayloR:)12:05
TayloRok great, thanks smouche & allee12:06
smouchecheers, TayloR12:06
cartel_guys my kwallet is fucked12:06
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cartel_nothing that tries to open it will even launch12:06
KaiL..maybe this can get more people to ask about hardware, where they don't expect it to work12:07
KaiLlike acpi, additional mouse buttons or hardware sensors12:07
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TayloRwhat would you suggest that i use for an msn chat client? currently im using kopete at the minute, any other ones out there that you might consider better than the one im currently using?12:09
KaiLwhat's so bad on msn?12:09
cartel_TayloR: amsn?12:09
KaiLeh, bad on kopete..12:09
smoucheheh , thanks for "dpkg -L" , allee !  very cool!  12:09
TayloRahh yeah amsn, thats the one, thanks Cartel12:10
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alleesmouche: yeap!12:10
KaiL..anybody with problems left?12:10
KaiLI've lost the overview a bit :)12:11
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GilaMnstryeah why won't kde start if I change my default shell to tcsh :-)12:11
smoucheTayloR, a lot of people seem to like Gaim, but the newest version isn't in the repos12:11
KaiLbecause it thinks, you are silly and it doesn't work with silly people :p12:12
alleeGilaMnstr: check ~/.xsession-error12:12
KaiL...other idea: #kde-devel12:12
KaiLI guess, that's a upstream bug12:12
alleeKail: no it's not.  I know some people using kde + tcsh  (but I refuse to speak with them ;)12:13
kkathmansmouche:  Good day sir :)12:13
TayloRAhh yeah, gaims the all in one client isnt it?12:13
KaiLallee: lol12:13
GilaMnstrallee: problem with setenv in ..xsession12:13
smouchehey, kkathman --12:13
smouche!12:13
alleeGilaMnstr: your ~/.xsession?12:13
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smouchekkathman, does Gaim work with msn?12:14
kkathmansmouche: yes12:16
GilaMnstrallee: I switched back to bash so I don't have the exact message from ./xsession-errors but it had something to do with setenv12:16
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kkathmanbut I switched to Kopete myself12:16
smouchehmm, which is preferable, Gaim or Kopete, in your view?12:17
alleeGilaMnstr: well programed scripts should not depend at all on login shell,  but going back to bash is something I accept12:17
smouchehow's your samba dancing going, kkathman?12:17
kkathmansmouche: Personal preference...they both work well, Kopete has a skinniable interface, and some other neat features that Gaim doesnt12:17
TayloRhow about your opinion on amsn over kopete kkathman? 12:18
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SuperCatFrogtaylor - some people just prefer amsn (my gf until she found out about kmail>kopete address book integration)12:21
GilaMnstrallee:  I'm just not sure what startup script is causing the problem.  12:21
alleeGilaMnstr: you found a bug: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/61pgp-agent12:21
SuperCatFroghas anybody got vmware installed on kubuntu? im having problems with the headers (i'd rather not compile my own kernel because i was the kernel to be updatable by apt-get and i cant be bothered running make xconfig ; make bzImage, etc every so often)12:21
alleeGilaMnstr: add -sh option and it should work12:22
alleeGilaMnstr: or fail on the next bug :(12:22
TayloRok thanks for the help :)12:22
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alleesomeone care to file a bugreport?12:22
kkathmansmouche: samba is great!12:23
SuperCatFrogkkathman - nfs is better12:23
kkathmanTayloR-Away:  not familiar with arnsn12:23
SuperCatFrogkkathman - have a look at amsn.sf.net for more info12:23
smouchekkathman, I prefer the bossa nova, but anyway, hopefully you have plenty of both on that network jukebox of yours!12:23
kkathmanlol12:24
kkathmanSuperCatFrog: thanks...I'll check it out....what are your thoughts on all three?12:24
GilaMnstrallee: yeah that is a wierd one... old habit from bsd days changing my shell to tcsh12:25
smouchewhat's the third, kkathman ?12:25
kkathmanSuperCatFrog: nfs isnt better....its harder to set up at least for me, and samba is becoming the standard according to alot of sources now12:25
kkathmansmouche: amsn, gaim and kopete12:26
smoucheoh, heh heh, thought you were talkin' samba, nfs, and ... bossa nova?12:26
alleeGilaMnstr: well tcsh fine if you knows it already.   But recommending it to newbies is a bad thing.12:26
smouche;-)12:26
kkathmanrofl12:26
SuperCatFrogkkathman - nfs is really easy to setup - ive never been able to get samba setup in linux (as a server)12:27
kkathmannah.. I mean some people swear by nfs, which is ok, but its hard to get set up12:27
hinni@kaiL What is the difference between nv and nvidia driver?12:27
kkathmanlol SuperCatFrog I couldnt get nfs and had a breeze with samba12:27
SuperCatFrogi prefer kopete with its integration into the desktop environment, but i think it looks and feels so much nicer than the other two12:27
KaiLhinni: "nv" is 2D only (and normally much more stable)12:27
GilaMnstrallee: I'm an oldtimer in a sea of bash and zsh users12:27
SuperCatFrogkkathman - i want to get away from samba as soon as possible (as soon as my gf's dad decides to go full time linux, i'l set him up with nfs shares, rather than smb shares)12:28
KaiL"nvidia" is the closed source driver from nvidia, which gies full 3D, but is sometimes unstable, as you might have already seen12:28
hinni@KaiL I changed it and it works It's just perfect for watching dvd's I don't need anything else... ;-)12:28
alleeGilaMnstr: I used tcsh too but got frustrated with tcsh scripting, so I switch12:28
KaiLin short: if you don't need 3D, use "nv"12:28
kkathmanSuperCatFrog: I can see using nfs if you have only linux...but I have both ...and samba works on all of them12:28
hinni:o)12:28
alleeGilaMnstr: btw. add --sh  to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/61pgp-agent  and you can login with tcsh as login shell.  Work for me ;)12:28
smoucheUm, SuperCatFrog, is nfs compatible with smb-client, or do I need to have an nfs client to work with the server, ...?12:29
kkathmanby the way SuperCatFrog if you need some "wont fail" steps to get Samba set up, I got em :)12:29
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SuperCatFrogsmouche -  icant remember, just google for nfs, you'l find a piece of piss guide12:30
smoucheI know nothing about this networking stuff, so forgive me if I'm not even sure of the questions to ask...12:30
thoreauputicsmouche: you need nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server12:30
smouchethanks, thoreauputic , and SuperCatFrog !12:30
KaiLkkathman: not to mention, samba is "sometimes" a bit better, if the server isn't 1000% stable12:30
hinniI did this, already, anyway: Although we didn't find the right solution now, I learned a little bit more and want to thank you for your support. And now I'll wish you a good night. ;-) 12:30
SuperCatFrogive just remembered - i wont be going NFS, i'l be using fuse with sshfs is my informant from #gentoo-pub was telling the truth about the fuse patches being included in the 2.6.12 kernel12:30
SuperCatFrog*if my informant12:30
thoreauputicsmouche: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/12:31
kkathmanKaiL: yes, exactly12:31
GilaMnstrallee: thanks for the info, I'll try it out next time I login I guess :-)12:31
KaiLhinni: I think it's just some hardware incompatibility12:31
SuperCatFrogdoes anybody know i am correct in thinking fuse is to be in the upstream kernel in 2.6.12?12:31
KaiLthere were more than enough bugs in that chipset12:31
KaiLand now a rather new card -> bang12:31
smouchethanks, thoreauputic !  hey, you're the one to ask, 'cause you use a mac -- do either of both Samba and NFS work with macs on the network, too?12:31
SuperCatFrognfs should work with mac - its unix12:32
smouchestill thinking of getting a mac mini eventually...12:32
SuperCatFrogignore me, i dont actually have a mac myself12:32
thoreauputicsmouche: nfs is possible but tricky - samba is probably a better choice with macs12:32
hinniI think so too, but for my work and for DVD-stuff it's still alright. Thank you once again for your hints and Good night! CU!12:33
KaiLgn8 hinni 12:33
thoreauputicSuperCatFrog: nfs works, but there are issues with uid incompatibilities and connecting to servers12:33
smouchecool!  thanks for the info, guys... once I dare to even boot my nasty, trashed windows box and get it working right again, I'll try this stuff out...12:33
kkathmansmouche: at our level, samba I think is still our most friendly approach...I tried NFS at the request of someone...but later found out that there is lots to do on your win box12:34
kkathmanso I just went back to samba and found it was alot easier12:34
kkathmanthats just my own experience12:35
kkathmanYMMV12:35
thoreauputickkathman: nfs with windows is a nightmare, as far as I can see: theoretically possible but in no sense supported12:35
thoreauputicsamba works with mixed networks12:35
kkathmanthoreauputic: thats what I found out....nfs is great if all your hardware is recent and the OS is linux12:36
thoreauputickkathman: yep12:36
kkathmanthoreauputic: the nice thing is that samba takes relatively little to set up and EVERYTHING talks...and you can tweak security on read/write access...thats very hard to do in NFS especially across dissimilar platforms12:37
thoreauputicsmouche: of course if you run only linux ppc on your macs, nfs is fine12:37
SuperCatFrogin response to my own question (incase anybody cares) fuse has been in -mm since 2.6.11, and is a candidate for vanilla for 2.6.1212:37
kkathmanSuperCatFrog: what's fuse?12:37
smouchegreat info, guys -- samba is definitely what I'll want then.12:37
SuperCatFrogusespace file systems, such as ftpfs and sshfs12:37
SuperCatFrogreally really cool stuff12:38
thoreauputickkathman: I'll have to look into samba - I've avoided it so far ( it reminds me of the dreaded Windows- pure prejudice on my part)12:38
kkathmanthoreauputic: afraid that as long as I have a mixed network here, I have to use Windows, plus there are some things that open source hasnt tackled yet :)12:40
kkathmanI'd switch everything to Linux if I could, but cant 12:40
smoucheheh, kkathman, ironically enough, my main reason for holding on to windows is some open source stuff that hasn't been ported to linux yet!12:41
thoreauputickkathman: sure - actually as I said, my avoidance of samba is absurd, since it's Andrew Tridgell's baby and he's a Linux Deity :)12:41
kkathmanthoreauputic: its ok, its understandable..and smouche, yep same with me, Gimp isnt quite a replacement for Photoshop yet and there is no Flash creation tool for Linux..so thats 1/2 of my web business12:42
thoreauputic... as well as being from the same country as me...12:42
kkathmanbut I do all my development now in Linux12:42
kkathmanjust the graphics stuff I do on Windows still12:43
kkathmanand my music creation12:43
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kangpehthere's no way, i take it, to theme a gtk app in KDE 3.412:43
kangpeh?12:43
kangpehi was running ubuntu - and had my theme all setu in gnome - and i installed kde now12:44
kangpehand any gtk app is fugly lol12:44
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smouchefor me, wonderful open source apps like Keynote (a kind of pim, free form rich text database thing) and foobar2000 - far and away the best music player, playlist organizer, audio converter etc etc around, are so far irreplaceable12:44
smouchesome great programmers are working in windows environment, and simply haven't the time or the training to port the stuff12:45
thoreauputicif the source is available, can you think of reasons why linux/bsd people haven't ported these apps?12:48
chavo_kangpeh, apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, that will make your gtk apps look like QT apps.12:48
smoucheThey may not know about them, thoreauputic .  12:48
thoreauputicsmouche: hmm...possible. Are they GPL ?12:49
smoucheA lot of projects go a long time without revisions , as it is...12:49
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smouchefoobar2000, I don't know, thoreauputic ; keynote is listed on sourceforge, but I don't know the license.  Another favorite of mine, wxwikiserver, has recently been ported to linux; haven't tried it yet12:51
thoreauputicsmouche: foobar2000 is "unfree" and binary-only - I just googled the license12:52
cartel_smouche: or likely they use another toolkit (msvc) that has no equivalent12:52
smoucheanyway, ported or not, a lot of "windows" but not "microsoft" apps are so good, people should be cloning the hell out of them, feature-wise12:52
cartel_smouche: anyway amarok > foobar200012:52
cartel_;)12:52
thoreauputicagreed12:52
thoreauputicI mean agreed with " a lot of "windows" but not "microsoft" apps are so good, people should be cloning the hell out of them, feature-wise"12:53
smoucheok, mixing my free beer and free speech there a little, but the basic point stands--12:53
smoucheamarok?12:53
thoreauputicheheh12:53
kangpehcrap12:53
smouchehave you tried foobar2000, cartel_?12:53
cartel_smouche: have you not discovered amarok yet?12:53
kangpehsynaptec12:53
kangpehfrozein12:53
thoreauputicamarok = KDE music player12:53
cartel_basically amarok shits on everything 12:54
smoucheheh heh, you answer my question first, cartel_12:54
KaiLimho it rocks12:54
cartel_you can even use xmms visualisations with it12:54
cartel_:)12:54
kangpehhelp12:55
kangpehsynaptec is frozen chavo_12:55
kangpehwhat do i do (KDE)12:55
thoreauputichttp://amarok.kde.org/12:55
smouchevisualizations I don't need; foobar2000 is a different beast altogether.  And it somehow seems more "like linux" to me than amarok, totem, etc...12:55
cartel_smouche: i think rather than cloning apps, you should take them and say ok this app is cool and it has feature x, but how can i make something better?12:55
thoreauputickangpeh: open konsole and run sudo killall synaptic12:55
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smouchehard to explain unless you've used it.  Pity its closed source...12:56
kangpehthoreauputic: huhu npotbad not bad12:56
kangpehthank12:56
cartel_under windows it was winamp all the way for me12:56
smoucheI hated winamp! cartel_!12:56
chavo_smouche, have you tried juk? It's a little less cluttered than amarok.12:56
cartel_smouche: a great example of that is k3b, it is really good, and imo better than nero12:57
smoucheI'm trying em all; it's foobar2000's brilliant playlisting that I miss.12:57
cartel_whats so great about the playlisting?12:57
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kangpehhow do i install winamp12:58
cartel_smouche: are you suggesting people should clone windows apps because you dont want to change your workflow to suit working on linux?12:58
cartel_kangpeh: apt-get install xmms12:58
smouchecartel_ this is pointless -- you'd have to try it.  If you're not running windows at all, no point.  If you do use windows, check it out.12:58
kangpehwhat is xmms isnt that x multimedia thing12:58
kangpehcartel_:  i want winamp :(12:58
kangpehand microsoft office :(12:58
cartel_kangpeh: use wine or use windows then12:58
cartel_kangpeh: go away troll12:58
kkathmanamarok is pretty close to winamp12:58
kangpehwhat happens to all my windows software :(12:58
kangpehcartel???12:58
kangpeherr that was rude :(12:58
kangpehim not a troll... im actually 5'8!12:59
cartel_no its not, you are trolling12:59
kangpeh:(12:59
kangpehplease12:59
smouchecartel_, I think you're making unneccesary and argumentative assumptions about what I may be "suggesting", so drop it please12:59
kangpehim new to ubuntu i installed it like few days ago12:59
thoreauputickangpeh: xmms is a winamp clone12:59
kangpehand now i just installed KDE12:59
kangpehand im trying to make it work but - kde-look.org is down12:59
kangpehso i can't get my macosx-like themes12:59
kangpehbut my gnome looks like mac os x12:59
kangpeh:(12:59
kangpehbut i want to use the wine like u say12:59
kangpehbut Substation Alpha doesn't wrok in wine12:59
_ubuntubaghira has its own website12:59
kangpehalso i want to know if i can play counterstrike in wine01:00
cartel_kangpeh: www.transgaming.com01:00
kangpeh$$$01:00
thoreauputickangpeh: slow down, man01:00
kkathmankangpeh: you just installed, why not try to look around and see about things...there are LOTS of themes on line you can get too01:00
cartel_kangpeh: if you dont want to pay $5, then you need to do a lot of work01:00
kangpehwait01:00
kangpehbrb cartel_...01:00
kangpehim going to restart X-chat01:00
kangpehbecause i instlaled ur gtk2-theme-for-qt program01:00
kangpehbrb01:00
thoreauputiche needs a tranquiliser shot...01:01
kkathmanlol... the typical "I want my linux to be windows" mentality01:01
cartel_like that guy on slashdot01:01
kkathmanif thats the case, why not stick with windows :)01:01
SuperCatFrogsounds more like "i want my linux to be windows and macosx"01:01
thoreauputicOMG where's my Start menu???!!!01:01
cartel_"until linux supports all my hardware and all my apps i wont consider it a real os"01:01
cartel_and someone posted a reply01:02
smouchejesus, chill out cartel_01:02
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kangpehomg01:02
kangpehyou dont even know how thankful i am01:02
kkathmancartel_: thats hilarious...until Windows supports all my linux software......lalalala01:02
kangpehthis gtk2-for-qt thing works01:02
cartel_"until windows supports my g5 and runs kde i wont consider it a real os"01:02
kangpehhow come its not installed by default01:02
SuperCatFrogbecause its unstable?01:02
kangpeho.o;;; omfg its not stable01:02
kangpeharrgh01:02
kangpehcartel01:02
chavo_kangpeh, because most people use one desktop or the other.01:02
kangpehVMWare runs well in windows01:03
kangpehchavo: ahh01:03
SuperCatFrogdont quote me on that - im not sure its unstable01:03
kangpehchavo:  but i love both u see01:03
chavo_No it's very stable.01:03
thoreauputiccartel_: well, you can run KDE on a G5, so 1 out of 2 ;)01:03
kkathmanlol01:03
chavo_It works perfectly for me.01:03
kangpehchavo:  but if i can make KDE look like mac os x01:03
kangpehchavo: then obviuosly i will stick to kde u know01:03
smouchefirefox runs better on windows than on linux!  now doesn't that just suck!01:03
kangpehbut if not - i'll have to go back to gnome01:03
cartel_oh god01:03
kangpehcuz my gnome looks cool now01:03
cartel_another i want to have a mac but i cant afford one01:03
SuperCatFroggnome looks cool?01:03
smouchekangpeh, take a pill, dude01:03
kangpehcartel01:03
kkathmanROFL....why not use a Mac OS rofl01:03
kangpehexactly - i can't afford mac01:03
kangpehcartel:  do u know how poor i am?01:03
cartel_kangpeh: no but more importantly i dont care01:04
kangpehcartel: do u know who i am01:04
kangpeh:|01:04
cartel_an annoyance01:04
kangpehT_T01:04
SuperCatFroglol01:04
kkathmanoh no not that !!!!01:04
kkathmanhahaha01:04
kangpehcartel: i was going to donate01:04
kangpehlots of money to ubuntu01:04
kangpehbut now im kind of disappointed01:04
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kangpehthe support that im receiving from you...01:04
kangpehits really mean.01:04
chavo_kangpeh, apt-get install kwin-baghira01:04
kangpeh:(01:04
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SuperCatFrogkangpeh - just calm down, you'l be fine01:05
kangpehi know but the thing is01:05
thoreauputickangpeh: FYI the return key is not a substitute for syntax and punctuation01:05
kkathmanthoreauputic: hehe01:05
kangpehu see im getting lots of people to install this software (UBUNTU)01:05
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kangpehthe only thing is - with KDE, how come i can't setup hot keys like in gnome - to control my volume with the keyboard for instance... i'd thought kde was more multimedia advanced then gnome o.o;;;;01:05
kkathmankangpeh: my 15 year old installed it and uses it without one single problem....hmmm01:06
kangpehsynaptic package manager in kde is buggy01:06
SuperCatFrogkangpeh - kmix > configure shortcuts01:06
cartel_kangpeh how can you donate lots of money when you are so poor01:06
SuperCatFrogi use my volume scroller to change the volume all the time 01:06
kangpehcartel01:06
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thoreauputickangpeh: well if you find reproducible bugs, file them and help everyone01:06
kangpehbecause i own www.deditech.com, www.aniport.com, www.fansubbers.com, etc?01:07
kangpeh;p01:07
kangpehbecause im not really poor maybe?01:07
smoucheI recommend ignoring kangpeh, folks, till he realizes that he might actually learn something by reading the channel, 01:07
smoucheif that's what he really wants01:07
smoucheor she, whatever01:07
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chavo_Yeah, he can learn how to be an ass.01:07
thoreauputickangpeh: why is your personal wealth of interest to us?01:07
kkathmankangpeh:  you might want to try #kubuntu-devel then can take your suggestions and make things better :)01:07
kangpehkmix configure shortcuts... doesn't have a volume control o.o;;;01:08
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smoucheheh, occurs to me, #kubuntu-devel is a channel I should lurk on -- with a sock in my mouth, heh heh...01:09
SuperCatFrogkangpeh - sorry, you have to rightclick on the mixer (master) and click configure shortcuts01:09
kangpehquestion - is there a synaptic clone for KD.E?01:09
smouchekangpeh, there is no global sound control keybinding you can set01:09
kkathmanwell he seems to want to make development suggestions, rather than using whats there...he should tell those that can do something about it01:09
smoucheas far as I know.01:09
smouchekkathman, he'll get kicked fast!01:10
kkathmankangpeh: why not use apt-get at the terminal?  its very reliable and never fails :)01:10
SuperCatFrogsmouche - there is, you have to open kmix, right click the mixer and click configure shortcuts - i use my multimedia keyboards volume scroller thing all the time01:10
kangpehkkathman:  im setting this computer up not for me01:10
kangpehsupercatfrog my man...01:10
kangpehi went to configure shortcuts01:10
kangpehand put custom01:10
kangpehand then tried to use my multimedia keyboard control but it seems to be not reading it or something01:10
kangpehdo i have to actually get the 0x0000 <-- format address of the key01:11
kangpehand type it in?  (cuz when i hit the key in gnome it gives that format)01:11
SuperCatFrogyou need to setup your keyboard in kcontrol > regional > keyboard layout01:11
kangpehsome hexadecimal thingamijiggy u know01:11
kangpehsupercatfrog: i see, ur a genius01:11
SuperCatFrogi am, yes01:11
smoucheThanks, SuperCatFrog, I'll try that!01:11
kangpehi figured out what the error was with synaptic01:12
kkathmanSuperCatFrog: see I told you you were a genius and you didnt believe me01:12
kangpehif u open synaptic then look at another window01:12
kangpehthere was a 'dialog' box that was supposed to pop up01:12
kangpehand because it doesn't pop up u can't do shit and u can't get to it either01:12
kangpehso u just have to disable that dialog box01:12
SuperCatFrogkkathman - yep, you're right - i am01:12
kangpehor u have to make sure u look at it until it comes up and hit 'ok'01:12
smouchekangpeh, what, the password confirmation box?01:12
kkathmanI had enough...its ignor time01:12
kangpehnot password cofnirmation01:12
kangpehsmouche: some kind of 'tip' or something01:12
thoreauputickangpeh: you cn't have two apt instances running at once - the lock file prevents it01:12
kkathmanrofl :)01:13
kangpehnot apt01:13
kangpehim talking about something else01:13
SuperCatFrogkangpeh - syntaptic is a frontend to apt01:13
kangpehyeah01:13
kangpehi mean im not saying it was because i had two apt instances01:13
smoucheyou're talking about EVERything else... all at the same time!01:13
chavo_kangpeh, lineakd and lineak-kdeplugins will allow you to use multimedia keys.01:13
kangpehim saying synaptic has some kind of dialog box with a "tip" when it comes up01:13
thoreauputickangpeh: just slow down and read for a while... 01:13
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kangpehlike a "Did you know... ?" type of thing u know but not literally those words :P01:13
chavo_kangpeh, Is it the password prompt?01:14
kangpehand most of you guys probalby disabled it01:14
SuperCatFrogchavo_ - you dont need that, just setup the keytboard in the regional settings in kcontrol01:14
kangpehchavo: let me check hold on let me open it agian01:14
smoucheheh, this guy is like something out of a Philip K Dick novel...01:14
idnticalevening all :)01:14
thoreauputickangpeh: with the best will in the world , we can't help you unless you slow down and ask one thing at a time01:14
kangpehok, got it.01:14
kangpehQuick Introduction <--01:14
kangpehThat thing comes up when you open synaptic...01:14
kangpehIf you have it disabled on startup - then you are fine.01:14
kangpehHowever, if you don't - and then u open synaptic in kde - but then u click focus to another window prior to letting it open all the way and then try to go back...01:15
kangpehthe dialog box won't show and you are screwwed :|01:15
thoreauputickangpeh: umm... you are perhaps a bit impatient?01:15
SuperCatFrogwell disable the evil taskbar grouping, and you'l be fine01:15
SuperCatFrogkangpeh - rightclick the :: next to the taskbar and configure taskbar. then change "group similar tasks" to never01:16
SuperCatFrogthats one way around it01:16
kangpehAhh, you guys are more geniuses again.01:16
kangpeh;p01:16
SuperCatFrogno no, just me 01:16
smoucheSuperCatFrog, do I need to restart sound or something to get those shortcuts to work?  Nothing's working for me...01:17
steltwhere to file bug about kynaptic? it's not in the list at bugs.kde.org01:17
SuperCatFrogfor the humor impaired, i suppose i should point out that i dont think im a genious and my previous comment was a joke01:17
SuperCatFrogsmouche - worked for me01:17
SuperCatFrogsmouche - i didn't restart sound01:18
smouchehmmm...01:18
SuperCatFrogare you using the correct mixer? 01:18
smouchekmix?01:18
kangpehwhat is the reasoning01:18
kangpehbehind why fedora core 3 is so freaking slow and ubuntu/kubuntu is so fast?01:18
thoreauputicSuperCatFrog: It's OK - I *know* I'm the only genius here, so your comment *had* to be a joke ;-)01:18
SuperCatFrogsmouche - you might also be interested in xosd01:18
SuperCatFrogthoreauputic - hmmmm01:18
thoreauputic:D01:18
SuperCatFrogthoreauputic - my modesty is just another aspect to my perfection01:19
kangpehSuperCatFrog:  Let me test your skills.01:19
smoucheI'm always interested in alternative sound stuff, SuperCatFrog ! great, thanks, I'll check it out.01:19
SuperCatFroggo on01:19
thoreauputicSuperCatFrog: yeah, i know - it's hard to be humble when you're perfect :)01:19
kangpehSuperCatFrog:  What is the debconf() command or whatnot - that will allow me to choose which login manager (KDM/GDM/XDM) to use/01:19
SuperCatFrogsmouche - xosd is an on screen display, it shows up the volume when you change it with your keyboard shortcut01:19
kangpehSuperCatFrog:  Also, where does one set their DEFAULT Manager (Gnome/KDE/Failsafe/whatnot)01:19
SuperCatFrogthoreauputic - it is01:20
SuperCatFrogkangpeh - gimme a sec, i'd never used debian until monday (gentoo for ages before that, slackware before that)01:20
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kangpehsupercatfrog: cool its all good01:20
kangpehsupercatfrog: the mere attempt to help me that you are showing makes me know that you are a superb person.01:20
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LeeJunFanSuperCatFrog: I have no need for mandriva now :) I didn't realize kubuntu could resize fat/ntfs FS'es w/o data loss. Just did one of my other lappy's - resized ntfs and it's all good.01:21
SuperCatFrogkangpeh - /home/bob/.dmrc changes your default x session01:21
SuperCatFrogalthough you can do it from kdm (click session)01:21
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kangpehsupercatfrog:  what about choosing from kdm/gdm/xdm/whatnot o.o;;01:22
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kangpehi was just looking and the reason that i think gnome (gtk) proggies are more abundant/popular is because its easier to code GTK than QT :(01:22
kangpehand the QT licensing01:22
SuperCatFrogkangpeh - you'd have to remove kdm from startup (the only way i know of is to chmod a-x /etc/init.d/kdm) and install gdm (maybe hack the /etc/init.d/kdm script for gdm)01:22
SuperCatFrogyou dont need gdm to use gnome01:23
cartel_kangpeh: gtk is not easier to code for than qt01:23
kangpeho-o01:23
LeeJunFancartel_: it's easier to find books/docs for.01:23
SuperCatFrogalso, qt is supposed to be nicer to code for than gtk, just some people prefer the more liberal license (LGPL instead of GPL)01:23
thoreauputickangpeh: the QT license used to be an issue01:23
cartel_qt trashes all other toolkits in terms of ease of code01:23
cartel_like the reference "pet shop" application01:24
cartel_vc.net uses 1/4 the code of java, and qt/cpp uses 1/4 of the code again :)01:24
kangpehcartel01:24
kangpehis there a laptop list perchance01:24
alleeSuperCatFrog, kangpeh: AFAIR 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm'  asks is gdm or kdm should be used.  No hacks necessary. (ditto dpkg-reconfigre gdm)01:24
kangpehthat will show what laptops are compatible with unbutu/kubutn01:25
kangpeh?01:25
cartel_kangpeh: i dont know sorry01:25
kangpehcartel_: ahh01:25
smouchekangpeh, google, there is, there are01:25
alleekangpeh: search ubuntu wiki.   No problem to find it there01:25
kangpehahh01:25
kangpehk BRB i must reb00t system...01:25
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kkathmanjust to change the subject... does anyone know about or use kdewebdev??01:26
SuperCatFrogkkathman - doesn't that contain quanta? if so, em01:27
SuperCatFrog*me01:27
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kkathmanSuperCatFrog: well I already have quanta installed, but when I did an apt-cache to see if I had the latest, kdewebdev popped up and I dld it01:27
SuperCatFroggimme a sec01:28
SuperCatFrogit says it includes: quanta, kfilereplace, kimagemapeditor, klinkstatus, kommander01:28
SuperCatFrogand kxsldbg01:28
smoucheif anyone has any experience with  mono, let me know, would you? I have some questions, but they're not pressing...01:29
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foobarhas anybody been able to successfully install dvd::rip in ubuntu or kubuntu??01:29
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kkathmanoops Quanta just collided with the kicker  and its gone now  lol01:30
kkathmanouch.01:31
foobarhope you save :)01:31
kkathmannah I just typed "kicker" in the term and its back...not a prob01:31
cartel_foobar: use the marillat repositories?01:31
foobarcartel, i do..it fails01:31
foobarcartel_, you have it working?01:33
cartel_foobar: i havent tried sorry01:33
smouchekkathman, that reminds me, do you happen to know where, how, kicker config settings are saved exactly?01:34
smoucheand can I back them up and restore them if my kicker gets trashed (happened before with upgrades...)01:34
SuperCatFrogsmouche - probably ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker or ~/.kde/share/config/kicker01:34
SuperCatFrogalthough you might as well just backup your ./.kde/01:35
smouchethanks, SuperCatFrog01:35
SuperCatFrogs'ok01:35
SuperCatFrogim off to bed01:35
SuperCatFrogcya's01:35
smouchegight!01:35
SuperCatFrog(crappy british summer time making it be 00:35)01:36
smoucheit's only 7:30 here, and I'm ready for a nap...01:36
foobareach dependancy fails on another dependancy...it like it just hates me :(01:37
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sorinwhat file do you modify to make kynaptic show more packages?01:39
smoucheubuntu forums has a thread on your issue, foobar ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1775801:39
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kkathmansmouche: yeah the kicker settings are modified by the control center01:42
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smouchekkathman, if I save that config, do you think I could just slap it into another user's setup?  I'd like to export my exact panel settings to kubuntu on another computer01:43
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smoucheor might there be ownership problems?01:43
kkathmansmouche: also there are some settings you can do by right clicking the kicker01:44
kkathmansmouche: hmm... good question...like anything in linux Im sure those parameters are in a text file somewhere01:44
smouchekkathman, er, I've got the kicker all set up, what I want to do is back it up and export the settings, but thanks!01:44
kkathmansmouche: yep I understand...I guess fiddle with snooping around in the KDE directories01:45
smouchewell, as SuperCatFrog said, it's prob in /kde/share/apps blah blah blah  -- Il save .kde, anyway...01:45
kkathmansmouche: yeppers I knew theyd be somewhere over there01:46
smoucheyou see, I have very purty and practical panel! ;-)01:46
smoucheer, panels!01:47
kkathmansmouche: you could just back up all that directory and then plant it over on the other machine01:47
smoucheyeah.01:47
foobarsmouche, ty..i had not seen that one yet :)01:49
kkathmansmouche...the files are in /etc/kde3 on my machine01:49
smouchekde3?  hmmm  -- checking...01:49
kkathmansmouche: I'd say that if you back up /etc/kde3  then restore that over to your other machine you'd be ok, as long as you move any customizing you did...i.e. wallpapers01:50
smoucheThank you brother kkathman!  I didn't know about that directory!01:51
smouchehell of a lot of directories in linux distros, aren't there?01:53
smouchein windows, I assume directories are hidden for privacy and security, in linux I think have the time it's just to cut down on the visual confusion...!01:54
smoucheer, "half the time".01:54
smoucheheh, guess who's over romping in the #ubuntu channel?01:55
kkathmansmouche...no problem sir01:56
kangpeh...01:56
kkathmanshhhh maybe he'll stay there01:56
smouchedude,01:56
smouche?!01:56
smouchewas that you, kkathman?01:56
kkathmanthats why IRC channels have OPS most of the time, to kick the disrputers out01:56
smoucheyou look good in blue.01:56
kkathmanme?01:57
smouchenever mind, I thought you were messing with the colors or something...01:57
kkathmanoh no not me01:57
smoucheheh heh, x-chat is too freaking colorful01:57
kkathmanlol01:58
smouchewell now, I just realized that I've been emptying my ashtray into a new bag of groceries sitting on the floor, instead of into the garbage...01:59
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smoucheso I need to go and rinse the ashes off all the beefaroni cans...01:59
kkathmanlol02:00
smoucheso I'll catch you later, brother kkathman; hope I can look over your shoulder later for your next learning experience -- :-)02:00
smoucheciao02:00
kkathmanditto here sir...I'll be back later too, gotta choir rehearsal I have to go to :)02:00
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Octave_OctetHi02:03
kangpehhi02:05
steltkubuntu should make it easier to file bugs. like Help-->File Bug in KDE apps. the bug i wanted to report is that the confirm window of kynaptic is sized wrong, therefore the important buttons are not visible, so you don't know what's going on02:05
Octave_OctetWhat should I do if I want a package to be included in Kubuntu (it seems the developer already create Debian packages)02:05
Octave_OctetStelt> You can file bugs from http://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org there is a Kubuntu entry02:07
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BlackLabelis there any vpn software that will work with a .pcf config file02:13
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trekepcf?02:15
trekeIsn't that a window shortcut file?02:15
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boahello :)02:17
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Nomad^i am having trouble with lockups, when i use konquerer to browse my filesystem the entire machine will simply lock-up02:18
Nomad^the logfiles has nothing at all, anyone else tried this?02:19
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boaNomad^: lockup = computer stall or locked files?02:22
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Nomad^computer stall02:35
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Nomad^i have to reboot it to get it to respond02:35
CygnusX1Has anyone discovered why Kubuntu failes to load IDE modules on some systems during installation yet?02:39
kangpehnomad: what was you rproblem?02:40
Nomad^lockups when using konqueror to browse my filesystem02:41
coolerwhere do i found some amarok-engines ?02:41
coolerops, find02:43
CygnusX1Alright.  Let's try this.  Is anyone using an ASUS A7N8x DEL that CAN install Kubuntu 5.04?02:45
cooleri'm using an asus a7n8x-x02:46
coolerand works fine02:46
CygnusX1cooler, does that have SATA?02:47
CygnusX1My ISO md5sum is good, md5sum of files on CD are good...during install, when it tries to find packages on the CD, it fails.  Complains that it cannot load various IDE modules.02:48
CygnusX1Tried booting from three different optical drives.02:48
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coolerno SATA02:52
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delltonyquestion: the recent used files in like kplayer and things of that nature where is this informatino stored? cause i went to control panel and hit clean up and the recents still exist.02:55
delltonysecondly is there a way to turn this feature off globally? even though i'm the only user of this pc i don't like track logs :)02:55
smoucheI can't believe it, now kicker is seg-faulting...02:57
Nomad^mine wont go away, i'd be happy if it would crash now and then ;)02:57
smouchelol02:58
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delltonyanyone?03:00
smouchesorry, don't know, delltony.03:01
delltonythanks03:01
delltonyclosest i can find is ~/.recent-used03:01
CygnusX1Missing module 'ide-mod' ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy. Anyone?03:04
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smoucheis anybody else having problems with unstable keyboard shortcuts for the mixer app in the panel?   (the thing with the sliders, not the button in the tray)03:07
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CygnusX1Can someone point me to the kubuntu technical channel?03:10
jsgotangcogo to #kubuntu-devel03:11
CygnusX1Thank you.03:12
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cartel_delltony: rc-update is a gentoo thing isnt it?03:18
delltonyyeah03:18
delltonybut whats the ubuntu equiv?03:18
cartel_delltony: you dont use it outside of gentoo..03:19
cartel_delltony: update-rc.d03:19
delltonyok thanks03:19
delltonylittle off topic but gmail hates me or something03:20
coolerwhat is it for? update-rc.d03:20
delltonytwo different computers with different ips i have curled the site on both an do data03:20
delltonycooler, for your startup aps03:21
delltonylike apache03:21
delltonyand mysql03:21
delltonyand things like that 03:21
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delltonyat leas rc-update is i can't voice for update-rc.d yet haven't used it03:21
theineis it possible to install Kubuntu with debootstrap?03:21
coolerthanks03:22
delltonynp03:22
delltonybasically cooler  things that are in /etc/init.d/03:22
delltonylike for instance on my server i don't want xdm to start automatically so i removed it from the rc thing03:23
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muzzaI have Ubuntu Warty installed.  am awaiting Hoary CD.  What software is on Kubuntu CD that's different to Ubuntu CD? Is K3b and Firefox installed?03:31
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jsubl2k3b is there.  you have to apt-get firefox03:37
Zugotthat k3b sucks03:40
Zugoti built my own03:40
Zugotyou pretty much have to if you want to burn mp3s03:40
jsubl2burning mp3 is the only thing it lacks i believe..03:40
muzzaI need a CD/DVD burner and an MP3 encoder, what do you suggest?03:41
jsubl2http://ubuntuguide.org03:41
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delltonythis is strange and got me puzzled. i can access gmail on a windows 2k system on the same network but can't access it on this linux box, or my other linux box. strange03:44
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sorinhi03:44
delltonyhowdy03:44
muzzajsubl2, I went to the ubuntuguide, did a search for MP3 and got nothing.03:45
sorinthe window decoration have crashed03:45
sorinwhich exe launches those?03:45
jsubl2muzza: sorry.. don't know then03:45
sorintitlebars03:45
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muzzaWhat CD/DVD burners do people use/prefer with Ubuntu/Kubuntu?03:46
cartel_muzza: k3b03:46
muzzaZugot reckons it sucks.  Didn't say why03:47
cartel_who is zugot?03:47
cartel_Zugot: you suck!03:47
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cartel_k3b is a work of art03:47
muzzaNo idea, he answered my question few lines up03:47
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cartel_Zugot: my k3b works with mp303:48
cartel_from ubuntu03:49
muzzaCartel, can you encode MP3 with it?  Do you know of an MP3 encoder?03:49
cartel_muzza: i use kde for ripping.. audiocd kioslave03:49
muzza?? I'm new at this, don't understand03:50
cartel_muzza fire up konqueror, go to the services sidebar, there you will see the 'Audio CD Browser' that allows you to convert to ogg03:50
cartel_or mp3..03:50
cartel_or wav..03:50
muzzaI'm using Ubuntu, trying to find out the differences between the 2.  So I'm still using Gnome and the basic stuff that came on Warty CD03:51
muzzaDo you recommend Kubuntu?03:51
cartel_i use kubuntu, because i like kde03:52
cartel_try both and see which you like more03:52
muzzawhat's audiocd kioslave?03:52
cartel_kbuuntu is less crippled than ubuntu it seems, the restrictedformats thing gets way up my nose03:52
cartel_muzza the kde interface for audio cds..03:52
cartel_audiocd:/...03:53
jsubl2muzza: mp3 has been an issue on several distro's for along time.. why not convert to ogg.  they sound just as good03:53
muzzawould it be possible to run them side by side - a tripleboot with Windoze, Ubuntu and Kubuntu?03:53
cartel_it is possible..03:53
muzzajsubl2; is ogg as widely useable as MP3?03:54
jsubl2muzza: that statement is to broad for me to answer.03:54
cartel_jsubl2: the ipod does not support ogg03:54
jsubl2right03:54
cartel_the ipod is also a peice of crap03:54
cartel_www.neurosaudio.com03:55
jsubl2muzza: depends on where you are using mp3's03:55
cartel_ogg sounds better03:55
muzzaCartel; could Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same /home?03:55
cartel_muzza: certainly03:55
darkauditmuzza: why not simply choose the KDE session v. GNOME at login?03:55
muzzaI don't use an iPod.  Just want to shrink music and share ideas with a muso friend.03:56
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cartel_jsubl2: the restricted formats thing sux... it is only because people are fearful of patents.. why do we lock out mp3 as a restricted format but include samba in the mainline distro????03:56
Brazmetalhi03:56
jsubl2cartel_: excelent question.03:56
cartel_for that matter, the linux kernel is supposed to violate over 200 patents..03:56
BrazmetalMy network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?03:57
jsubl2cartel_: if you use on of the  distros not aimed commercial.. they generally don't have the mp3 issue03:57
muzzadarkaudit; didn't know that was possible03:57
darkauditmuzza: at the login screen, click on Session :)03:57
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muzzaAre all the apps useable on both desktops?  I've had trouble getting K3b to work in Gnome03:59
CygnusX1ssh 192.03:59
darkauditmuzza: should be... I just burned a couple DVDs w/ K3b while in GNOME03:59
muzzaThanks for your help everyone.  this was my first venture in here.  I've gotta go feed my sick 2yo son.  I'll be back.04:00
muzzaHow do I log out?04:01
darkauditmuzza: what client are you running?04:01
muzzaOne last question,  Why are some of the users in the left column in bold yellow? And I'm using X-Chat04:02
darkauditmuzza: you mean like this? It means someone is taling to you :)04:02
Tm_Thi04:02
darkauditand you should just need to do File->quit04:03
muzzawhat's taling? and how does one do it?04:03
darkauditer talking04:03
membreyaO/ Tm_T 04:03
smouchehello Tm_T04:03
Tm_Thullo04:03
LeeJunFanis it just me or does it seem that there are a lot of library links missing for stuff? ie. libXmu.so.6.2 is there but there's no link for libXmu.so pointing to it, so apps dont find the library.04:03
Tm_Tit's 5am :/04:03
LeeJunFanno, it's 10pm.04:04
LeeJunFan:)04:04
darkauditmuzza: most clients will let you start to type in a nick, and hit tab... it will auto complete... like irssi did at the start of this line04:04
Tm_Teh04:04
smoucheyeah, it's 10pm.  Reset your clock, Tm_T.!04:04
Tm_T=)04:04
CygnusX1I need kubuntu to pass its hostname to the DHCP server...I have poked around a good bit and cannot find where to put this.04:04
Tm_Teh, hostname to dhcp?04:05
muzzaHow do you specifically talk to someone?  It's a good idea for finding my thread when it gets busy04:05
Tm_TI thought dns handle those04:05
BrazmetalMy network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?04:05
jsubl2CygnusX1: man interfaces04:06
CygnusX1Tm_T, I am using IPCOP firewall...I need kubuntu to pass the hostname when requesting an address so that IPCOP has it's name-IP mapping.04:06
Tm_Tah, ok04:06
Tm_Twell, I try to sleep some more, so, see ya ->04:06
darkauditmuzza: just type the person's nick at the start of the line... (I typed muz<tab> and irssi filled in the rest)04:07
muzzadarkaudit, wicked04:07
muzzadarkaudit, thanks mate, bye04:08
smoucheTm_T, have a good day...04:13
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Chin2hello blenderhead04:25
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CygnusX1Where does kubuntu store packages I retrieve with kynaptic?04:43
CygnusX1Also, is there a kubuntu manual somewhere in the distro?04:44
jsgotangcoi think there's a good intro in the kubuntu wiki04:47
jsgotangcobut for an actual manual, i dont think its done yet since kubuntu is just a new release04:48
Chin2you mean where does the installed software go?04:48
jsgotangcothe manual?04:48
jsgotangcoim not sure there is a manual yet04:48
jsgotangco(for kubuntu)04:48
CygnusX1Chin2, no, I want to keep the packages so I don't have to redownload them.  If I like this, I will be adding kubuntu to a couple more machines.04:48
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CygnusX1jsgotangco, does ubuntu have a manual? (Probably good for console stuff)04:49
jsgotangcoyes04:50
jsgotangcodownload ubuntu-docs package04:50
Chin2CygnusX1, sorry, no idea, feel bad that you use kynaptic though :)04:50
CygnusX1jsgotangco, thank you04:50
jsgotangcoCygnusX1, there is no kubuntu manual yet, checked the repos Sean is still working on it as I will be involved in the kubuntu manual as well04:50
CygnusX1Chin2, This is my first foray into debian like OS (other than some knoppix use)  I am a Slacky at heart :-)  and have used Redhat before.04:51
jsgotangcobut if you an make up one, you're more than welcome to04:51
Chin2I use synaptic, I like it better than kynaptic04:51
Chin2I think you can get synaptic using kynaptic :)04:51
jsgotangcoyes, kynaptic is very much a baby at the moment04:51
CygnusX1Chin2, I will grab synaptic now and check it out.  Kynaptic seemed to not provide much info :-)04:51
jsgotangcosynaptic is much better atm04:51
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dhanishhi all04:54
BrazmetalMy network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?04:54
Chin2hi danish04:54
dhanishkubuntu just made ubuntu better :)04:54
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BrazmetalMy network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Can anyone help me?04:54
Chin2Brazmetal, there is a post in the forum about this04:54
Chin2go to ubuntuforums.org > kubuntu area04:55
CygnusX1Ahhh!! This is much better.04:55
Chin2Brazmetal -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2643204:55
dhanishi tried searching for this but...wanted to know hot completely rid of gnome...i installed kubuntu-desktop and all is well and want to get rid of gnome and related apps...any help?04:55
CygnusX1Chin2 and jsgotangco: Thank you both04:55
Chin2no prob, I'm pretty new to this too :)04:56
BrazmetalChin2, eheheh this post is mine...04:56
Chin2doh04:56
Chin2Brazmetal, did others already ask you to try manual configuration using another LiveCD/04:57
Chin2?04:57
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Chin2oh, I see it's specific to Kubuntu.04:58
BrazmetalChin2,  are you asking if i had used another distro?04:58
Chin2yeah...you have, right?04:58
Brazmetalof course04:58
Chin2okay, that's what I thought. Can't help you, sorry04:58
BrazmetalI was using Kubunti RC04:58
Brazmetaland it was working ok04:58
Chin2strange.04:59
BrazmetalI upgraded to kubuntu final (clean install) and I've got this problem04:59
dhanishanyone with any ideas as to what packages should i remove to get rid of gnome?04:59
Chin2dhanish, do you know how to uninstall? are you wanting package names?05:03
dhanishyea just package names05:04
dhanishi suppose i can just query *gnome* in kynaptic?05:05
dhanishbut was wondering any other packages such as gdm and so on05:05
Riddelldhanish: apt-get remove libgtk2.0-005:06
dhanishisnt that required for firefox?05:06
dhanishi want to keep firefox05:06
Riddellyes, but not for Konqueror05:06
Chin2don't you need gtk for Gimp?05:06
Riddellyes05:07
dhanishi am trying right now to install ubuntu-desktop and then going to see if removing that will remove gnome stuff...and still maintain the libs05:07
Riddelldhanish: it won't05:07
smoucheit seems to me several folders in kubuntu-desktop install had "gnome" in the name; don't know for what purpose...05:07
Riddellsmouche: shouldn't do05:08
dhanishi'm satisfied with kde for most part so just trying to clean up and remove unwanted gnome stuff...for most part05:08
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dhanishcrap i installed ubuntu-desktop and removing it didnt help...hrm maybe i'm better off with clean install using kubuntu install cd?05:09
smouchedamn, why won't kde remember my keybindings!!05:09
smoucheubuntu-desktop wouldn't remove anything, would it?  people use it to add kubuntu to hoary with gnome, don't they?05:10
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smoucheoops,05:11
smouchesorry , I'm an idiot05:11
smouchethought you said "kubuntu-desktop"  - wrong meta package! doh!05:12
dhanishsmouche: no i just tried removing ubuntu-desktop and but it removed nothing05:12
dhanisherr n/m05:12
smoucheanyway, dhanish, removing the metapackage isn't supposed to remove files05:12
dhanishheh...yeh...learned something new today05:13
smoucheit's only purpose is for what it depends on-- 05:13
dhanishso any ideas as to what i can do to remove gnome from my ubuntu05:13
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dhanishor should i just clean install kubuntu?05:13
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dhanishi hate mixing things up05:13
Chin2if you're not too far along, dhanish, I would clean install05:13
smouchewish I knew, 'cause sometimes I try out gnome apps, then remove them, but I guess other stuff remains behind...05:13
phxguyanyone know hopw long kdelook is gonna be down?05:15
dhanishyea....gnome was nice but then kde 3.4 just blew me away....was everything i needed minus firefox...wish someone made a kde/qt version of firefox05:15
phxguyi agree dhanish 05:15
phxguywish there was a qt version of firefox05:15
smouchei think naming the meta-packages like that is misleading... wouldn't "ubuntu-meta-install" or something be clearer?  I mean, of course people will think05:15
smouchethat if you remove "ubuntu-desktop"05:16
smoucheyou're removing the ubuntu desktop!05:16
dhanishyes i agree smouche 05:16
dhanishmaybe they can make a way to remove packages using meta install package....even if thats possible...newbie talking here ;)05:17
smouchesome kind of app to remove those dependencies, if nothing else needs them, would be great... maybe there is some way we newbies don't know about yet!05:18
dhanishyea....there must be way....sounds like something many people would want to do05:19
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smouchedhanish, burn it slow...05:20
dhanishwith a 52x...why would i do that...oh wait i mean on 24x cdrw...slow enough?05:20
smoucheuh, I had problems with my hoary cd's unless I burned them at slowest possible speed, (using nero on windows...) your mileage of course may vary...05:21
dhanishnever had probs like that05:22
dhanishis there a dock type of app for kde? sorta like yzdock/objectdock from windows...05:23
Chin2yeah, get superkaramba and go to kde-look05:23
Chin2there are docks for it05:24
dhanishkde-look is down right now..i did a search on google and most of it lead there but its down right now :-/05:24
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dhanishbefore i burn...anyone know the md5sum for kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso/05:26
dhanishn/m05:26
smouchedhanish, what irc client are you using?05:26
dhanishkonversation05:27
smouchecan you do automatic logging of these channels?  very useful; folks are very informative on here!05:27
dhanishyea...i will after the clean install of kubuntu.05:28
dhanishsorry if i am getting annoying ;)05:28
Chin2no, it's nice that someone is actually using the channel05:28
Chin2:)05:28
smouchedhanish, you're not annoying!05:29
Chin2to log in Konversation I think you hit Ctrl+O05:29
smouchenot yet anyway05:29
smouche;-)05:29
dhanishhehe....i can already feel the love :P05:29
smoucheain't it great?05:30
dhanishyep yep :)05:30
smoucheI mostly lie in wait to pounce on useful info that other people get by asking the questions I'm too ignorant even to phrase correctly...05:32
smouchebest thing for me about kde so far, I can run a lot of stuff at once with 512 Mb ram...  windows would be locking up on all this...05:34
dhanishyea...i tried kde before and found it slow but that was like before kde 3.....kde 3.4 just kicks ass...it can only get better from what i see05:35
Chin2smouche, I feel the exact same way, esp. wrt 3D renders05:35
dhanishgnome is nice but i like functional desktop...05:35
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smoucheChin2, it occurs to me I probably don' t have 3D -- i need to check my driver!  05:36
smouchethings are running so smoothly, I kinda don't want to mess with the nvidia driver yet...05:36
Chin2I installed it without a hitch - you should try it :)05:37
smoucheyou're talking about a proprietary driver, right?  is this it (reading from synaptic) --05:38
smoucheNVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver05:39
smoucheshouldn't that be "xorg", not XFree?05:39
smoucheor does it matter?05:39
Chin2um, sure, all I know is it's just as fast as windows :)05:40
Chin2render's done05:40
Chin2http://img51.echo.cx/my.php?image=kubuntu5yj.jpg05:40
smoucheChin2, I mean, nvidia-glx05:40
Chin2yeah, that sounds familiar05:40
Chin2there's this huge nvidia splash screen when I start up now :)05:41
smouchehey, cool graphic, Chin205:41
Chin2it's kind of like, welcome to NVIDIA!05:41
Chin2thanks05:41
smouchehah hah!05:41
smoucheyeah, I think I was reading comments somewhere on how you turn that off!05:41
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smoucheI usually hate splash screens -- xine-ui had an annoying one; for some reason I like stream-tuners!05:42
Chin2yeah, if they're cool then I'm fine with them.05:43
smoucheChin2, get "Lost" - ;-)  I missed a couple  episodes of 24, and I'm pissed...05:43
CygnusX1I am sorry...I forgot who told me this, but, I asked:  I need kubuntu to pass its hostname to the DHCP server...they said : man interfaces.05:43
Chin2did you do it?05:43
Chin2you know what "man interfaces" means?05:44
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CygnusX1I have read it and peeked at /etc/network/interfaces and I cannot figure out what to do.05:44
D_FDoes anyone here have Teamspeak working in 5.04?05:44
smouchethe man pages are not that easy.05:44
CygnusX1Chin2, Roger.05:44
smouchefor me anyway05:44
D_FI just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 5.04, and Teamspeak just will not start!05:45
CygnusX1Well, I gather I need to pass a -hostname NEPTUNE parameter in the DHCP client command...but, iface is not one of the named items in that man page.05:45
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Tm_Thullo05:50
dhanishhas anyone tried kanotix...compared to kubuntu?05:53
Tm_Tkanotix?05:53
dhanishits another distro05:53
Tm_Tok, what kind of?05:54
Chin2it's a knoppix derivative, right?05:54
dhanishseems like its based off knoppix05:54
dhanishyeh05:54
Tm_Tok05:55
Tm_Theh05:55
dhanishshoot forgot to check verify data when burning in k3b...anyway to verify burned cd again05:57
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Chin2how do I partition my ext3 into ext3 + fat32 from Kubuntu?06:04
Chin2I need sharing space for this dual boot box.06:04
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dhanishnot sure i usually use pqmagic from windows to do it06:05
dhanishbut maybe you can try qtparted?06:05
dhanishi forget if it resizes ext3 parts06:06
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reagleBRKLNis kmail not in the kmenu?06:06
Chin2do I need to do the equivalent of defragging or anything?06:06
Chin2reagle, you mean Kontact?06:06
dhanishshouldnt need to06:07
markcI notice the grub menu.lst has an initrd listing but there is no real_root + init options so it's not being used... anyone know why an initrd file is created at all ?06:08
dhanishChin2: http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/features.en.html no resizing with qtparted for ext3....you'll have to try another method06:08
Chin2dang, I have no idea what other methods exist :)06:09
Chin2I guess I could resize my NTFS partition?06:09
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markcChin2: Partition Magic might work06:11
dhanishor you can use some live cd and then i think there is like ext3resize command....or was is it ext2resize...i dont remember which one06:11
dhanishbut easy way out is partition magic06:11
Chin2okay, thanks06:12
dhanishanyhow off to doing a clean install of kubuntu ...wish me luck06:12
dhanishthanks for the help guys06:12
Tm_T:)06:16
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kkathmanevening all or whatever it is where you are :)06:17
Tm_T=)06:18
Tm_Tit's early morning here :)06:18
kkathmanmorning Tm_T  :)06:18
kkathmanlate night here :)06:19
Tm_Theh06:19
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eazel7hi ppl06:19
eazel7I can't run as root anything from my recently installed kubuntu06:20
Tm_Teh?06:20
eazel7(note: used debootstrap)06:20
eazel7Tm_T: from kde06:20
eazel7from kde06:20
eazel7like administration mode of kdm kcm module06:20
kkathmanroot? there isnt a root in ubuntu :)06:21
Tm_Tkkathman: yes there is06:21
eazel7or kuser06:21
kkathmanwell, not in the purest sense06:21
kkathmanyou can "assume" the root06:21
eazel7kkathman: sudo passwd and set it's password and log in as root06:21
Tm_Tkkathman: yes there are, it is just not enabled06:21
kkathmancorrect06:21
Tm_T:)06:21
eazel7well06:22
eazel7the thing is... what I have to do is... (drums...)06:22
eazel7:-P06:22
Tm_Terr06:22
eazel7(trrrrrrrr) grown answer06:22
Tm_T=)06:22
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eazel7really, that thing is a little very messy to me06:23
eazel7do you have any idea about that?06:23
Tm_Tnope06:24
Tm_T'ntil I get some coffee :p06:24
eazel7isn't there any 'wheel' group?06:24
kkathmannope I'm still back on trying to figure out how to activate the root :)06:24
kkathmanlol06:24
Tm_Thaha06:24
Tm_Tkkathman: "sudo passwd"06:25
eazel7haha06:25
kkathmanyeah but what does that do really?06:25
Tm_Truns "passwd" as a root06:25
Tm_Tso, you can "change" root password06:25
kkathmancuz you can do sudo su and that makes you superuser06:25
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Tm_Teh06:25
Tm_TI use separate desktop to all my root konsole ;p06:26
kkathmanTm_T: and again, I ask....why?06:26
Tm_Tbecause06:26
kkathmanohhh ok I see well in that case it makes sense I guess06:26
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eazel7sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()06:26
eazel7postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory06:26
Tm_T=)06:26
eazel7what do you think about those messages?06:27
kkathmanjust seems silly, cuz you need root only to do root things...and you can do those by just using sudo, so why bother?06:27
Tm_Teh06:27
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kkathmanunless you just feel deprived of not having a root account :)06:27
Tm_Tbecause I do lot's of things as a root, and not in only this box06:27
kkathmanwhat can you do as root, that you cant using sudo?06:28
Tm_Teh, you like type sudo all the time?06:28
kkathmanor do you just not like typing "sudo" over and over :)06:28
Tm_Tyes06:28
eazel7Tm_T: sudo bash06:28
Tm_Tplah06:28
kkathmanahhh ok theres the rub then :)06:28
kkathmanok06:28
kkathmanhe he06:28
kkathmanI thought I was like missing something there06:29
eazel7kkathman: you still typed sudo all the time06:29
Tm_Tthere's no reason not to have root account06:29
eazel7well, anyway, I like being root06:29
eazel7not assuming root06:29
kkathmanI know that, ubuntu is like the only distro that disables it :)06:29
kkathmanbut hey, Im kewl with that :)06:29
eazel7debian-kfreebsd does it too, isn't it?06:29
eazel7or bsds doesn't have root?06:30
kkathmanreally?06:30
kkathmanhmm06:30
Tm_Tyes, 'cause newbies can't handle root privileges ;p06:30
Tm_Teh eh06:30
kkathmanbut I still use Terminal (gnome) on my kde desktop, so go figure06:30
Tm_Thaha06:30
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Tm_Theh06:30
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kkathmanby the way, you can get to root by clicking on "root terminal" in the KDE menus06:31
Tm_Tmy first install was a year ago06:31
kkathmanbut Im sure you know that06:31
Tm_Tkkathman: yes, but if somebody come use your computer? you might wan't a separate root password ;)06:32
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kkathmantrue, but aint no one here that uses my computers anyway but me :)06:32
Tm_T=)06:32
eazel7well guys06:35
eazel7gotta sleep some day this week06:35
eazel72hs at day seems unhealtly to my doctor06:35
eazel7see you around!06:36
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kkathmanI must be doing something wrong, or the settings in KONSOLE dont work06:37
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Tm_Teh?06:39
kkathmanahh never mind06:39
kkathmanlol06:39
Tm_Tlol?06:40
guranHi - I am new to IRC, and have just installed Kubuntu, half an hour ago, and I am looking for LyX06:41
kkathmankonsole is kinda freakin me out06:44
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kkathmanguran:  Looking for what?? LyX ?06:49
Tm_Tkkathman: konsole <306:51
guranThanks, my first answer. Yes I have looked at google and found that LyX may be installed in Ubuntu, but seem to be missing in Kubuntu. I am just wondering wh?06:52
guranSorry, I forgot a y, meaning why? There seam to be a lyx-qt, which ought to be easaly installed.06:54
kkathmanTm_T: whats that?  konsole < 306:54
kkathmanguran: what do you need it for?06:54
gurankkathman: to write scientific texts06:55
kkathmanguran: if you need it, I think its a word processor...just go to a terminal, do a sudo apt-get update, then a sudo apt-get install lyx06:56
kkathmanguran: or.... sudo apt-get install lyx-qt (for the qt frontend)06:56
gurankkathman: Thanks, I will try that.06:57
kkathmanguran: no prob, good luck06:57
gurankkathman: The package was missing, and I have found a letter on google saying that it was a package that was asked by other users. So I will have to wait.07:00
kkathmanahh ok..sorry bout that07:01
Tm_Tkkathman: <3 = heart ;p07:02
gurankkathman: Thanks, IRC is really nice, bye from me.07:03
kkathmancya 07:03
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kkathmanwow KDE_LOOK.org is STILL down...what are they doing? Rewriting it?07:04
Tm_T=)07:04
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kkathmanhey smouche 07:25
kkathmanTm_T: what does konsole<3 mean?07:25
Tm_T<3 means love/like07:26
Tm_Tyou got it?07:26
kkathmanohhh i get it07:26
kkathman;p;07:26
Tm_T=)07:26
kkathmanlol07:26
kkathmanthe themes are a bit weak07:26
Tm_T?07:26
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kkathmankewl trick in getting the root account back tho...neat07:27
Tm_Tok, gotta load some kernel modules then ->07:27
kkathmanewww07:27
BlackLabelhas anyone installed a bootsplash like from bootsplash.de?07:30
Tm_Tnope07:33
Tm_Tnah, I did something wrong, the module didn't loaded :/07:34
BlackLabelyea07:35
BlackLabeli tried but all i got was a blank screen 07:35
Tm_TI wan't sshfs w/ automount =)07:38
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delltonyi have a question how do you block a ip perminately ? i know you can do iptables -A INPUT -s <IP> -j DROP  but that is only temp. will creating a file /etc/host.deny and adding the ip to it work?08:13
crimsundelltony: /etc/hosts.deny only works with daemons compiled with tcp wrappers support08:15
crimsundelltony: it's safer to use iptables+netfilter08:16
delltonynetfilter an ap? if not could you kindly give an example?08:16
crimsunan IP08:16
crimsunlike you stated above08:17
delltonybut its temp, have to do it each time?08:17
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BlackLabelhas anyone installed a bootsplash like from bootsplash.de?08:22
verden01hey BlackLabel 08:23
BlackLabelhey verden01 08:23
verden01does anyone know how to get ATI Radeon drivers to work?08:23
verden01hey08:23
BlackLabeli've tried, with no luck08:24
verden01ok08:24
verden01i'll just have to use the default config then08:24
BlackLabelwhat are u getting in glxgears, what card is it?08:25
verden01i have an ATI Raedon 9600 XT  08:25
BlackLabelok08:25
verden01154FPS is that ok?08:26
BlackLabelyou'll get alot better if you install the other drivers08:27
verden01its going up tp to about 1200 FPS08:27
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verden01its going between 100 odd to 1200 08:27
verden01110008:27
BlackLabelive got an ati radeon igp (integrated graphics) and its upto 1000frames in 5s08:27
verden01its gone up to 6120 f in 5 sec08:29
verden01its flucuating a lot tho08:29
BlackLabelit will go real hide when the actual window with the gears isnt viewable08:30
BlackLabelcos then it doesnt actually need to print it to the screen08:30
verden01oh thats probably it then08:31
verden01anyway it would be nice to have the 3d working tho08:31
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BlackLabelyea thats what  i thought08:33
BlackLabelbut i couldnt get it working08:33
verden01if i had an nvidia card it would be easy08:33
BlackLabelyea08:33
BlackLabelverden01: did i ask if u knew anything about bootsplashes in debian?08:34
verden01no but is that the startup screen?08:34
BlackLabelya08:34
verden01i only know how to change them08:34
verden01ones that are already installed08:35
verden01do you want new ones 08:35
verden01have you tried kde-look08:35
BlackLabelnot kdm themes08:35
BlackLabelif thats what u r thinking08:35
verden01i'm not really sure 08:36
BlackLabelits not the one where u type ur username and password to08:36
verden01but kdm themes sounds right08:36
BlackLabelthats not what im lookingfor08:36
verden01i'm not sure its been a long time since i've done that stuff08:36
verden01have a look at this link  http://www.kde-look.org/08:38
BlackLabelits done08:38
BlackLabeldown*08:38
verden01what about this  http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2105108:39
verden01or this http://kdelook.org/index.php?xcontentmode=35&PHPSESSID=a523e341b6e74ca4f59a46dcc4f3488608:41
Tm_Tdelltony: use firestarter08:42
BlackLabelverden01: nah those aren't it08:42
BlackLabelits got nothing to do with kde08:42
verden01ahh ok08:42
delltonyok thanks08:45
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PDHi there ppl!08:58
Tm_Thullo08:58
PDInstalled kubuntu on my nx7078 laptop, and everythings working fine08:58
PDeven the touchpad side scroll bar is working08:58
ice_1963we need flashplayer for konqueror pl =)08:58
BlackLabelverden01: i think i've found something to install what i was talking about08:59
Tm_Tice_1963: why?08:59
ice_1963why not08:59
Tm_T...08:59
Tm_Tthere was a word "need"09:00
ice_1963flash is free09:00
verden01cool09:00
Tm_Tmostly ads09:00
Tm_TI hate them09:00
BlackLabelverden01: ill tell ya if it works09:00
Tm_Tand my flash is working fine ;p09:00
verden01flash doesn't work with my AMD 64 system  :-(09:00
Tm_Theh09:00
BlackLabelverden01: in konqueror or mozilla?09:01
verden01Mozilla-Firefox09:02
verden01u mean flash   both09:02
BlackLabelhave u installed the flash plugin for firefox?09:03
verden01Tm_t: do you have an AMD 64 system?09:03
verden01it wont install Macromedia doesn't support AMD 64 yet09:03
Tm_Tnope09:03
verden01thats why its working Tm_T 09:04
Tm_Tjei09:04
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Borg^QueenHey anyone up?09:04
verden01jei?09:04
Tm_Tverden01: like yay09:05
verden01oh ok  lol09:05
Borg^QueenHey, I was wondering if there was any doc on the whole sudo thing. I'm having a hard time with the lack of direct root access.09:05
Borg^Queenverden01: English isn't your first language?09:05
ice_1963lol09:05
Tm_Taergh!09:06
verden01yeah09:06
Tm_Tstop using "lol"09:06
verden01it is09:06
verden01why09:06
Tm_TI hate it09:06
verden01whats wrong with lol?09:06
Borg^QueenHmm09:06
verden01will this do  :-)09:06
ice_1963ok09:06
Tm_T:)09:06
verden01:)09:06
freexlol09:06
ice_1963=)09:06
verden01cool09:06
Tm_T!09:06
Tm_T=)09:06
verden01####09:07
freex^-^09:07
Borg^QueenYou guys are nuts09:07
verden01can i hahahaha09:07
Tm_Tactually english is my third language :p09:07
Borg^Queen:D 09:07
Borg^QueenTm_T: Mine as well.09:07
ice_1963:p09:07
verden01hey australian is my language09:07
freexwhew09:07
Borg^QueenPerhaps my 4th09:07
Borg^QueenThere's Cymry, Gaelic, Spanish and English.09:07
Tm_TBorg^Queen: btw why not enable root user ?09:08
Borg^QueenI don't know what I'm saying half the time09:08
freexpython is my language09:08
Borg^QueenLOL09:08
Borg^QueenOOoops sorry Tm_T 09:08
Borg^QueenI can do that, enable root09:08
Borg^QueenWhy didn't someone tell me.09:08
verden01no  lol's Borg^Queen 09:08
Borg^QueenIs there a doc on how to do that?09:08
Tm_TBorg^Queen: eh, cymraeg and gael are separate languages?09:08
freexsudo passwd 09:08
Tm_TBorg^Queen: just "sudo passwd" and then type new root password09:09
Borg^QueenWait, can I or can't I enable root user?09:09
verden01but my ancestors are from Scandinavia09:09
Tm_Tyou can09:09
Borg^QueenAye I know that.09:09
Borg^QueenGood.09:09
Borg^Queencymry, is slightly older than gaelic09:09
Borg^QueenI don't know how much though.09:09
Tm_Tok09:09
Tm_Tbut same basis?09:10
verden01is Gaelic irish?09:10
Borg^QueenBut it's my clan's native language09:10
Borg^Queenyes same basis.09:10
ice_1963sudo passwd root09:10
Borg^QueenAye, Irish09:10
Borg^Queenice_1963: Aye, thank you09:10
ice_1963ok09:10
Borg^QueenBut I'm an old nix user, I'm accustomed to having a root user.09:10
Tm_TBorg^Queen: so Balor says something to you?09:10
verden01Borg^Queen, u play gaelic footy?09:11
Borg^QueenPlus, it eliminates certain security problems 09:11
Tm_TBorg^Queen: I use root account too =)09:11
Borg^QueenWhat is it with yuo guys lol09:11
Tm_Teh?09:11
Borg^QueenA thousand questions at the same time.09:11
Borg^QueenIts nothing bad Tm_T I just thought it was funny09:12
verden01well at least someone is talking to you09:12
Tm_TBorg^Queen: I'm very interested about irish/welsh culture09:12
Borg^QueenMaybe I should just use LOL?09:12
Tm_Tno09:12
Tm_Tok, use lol when you really are laughing out loud, ok?09:12
Tm_TI prefer "heh" etc09:12
Borg^QueenAs for Balor, depending on how it's used.09:12
Borg^Queenyou could be talking about Death09:13
Borg^Queenor of someone's passing09:13
verden01so what does everyone think og Kubuntu09:13
Borg^Queenheh? LOL 09:13
verden01of09:13
Borg^Queenverden01: I dont' know yet09:13
Borg^QueenI like it but the whole lack of a root account bothered me.09:13
verden01i've used Libranet for a lonf time09:13
verden01long09:13
Borg^QueenPlus, things like kdf were missing09:13
Borg^Queenlibranet09:14
Tm_TBorg^Queen: hmm, yes, I mean those ancient tales09:14
verden01i think you can add a root account?09:14
Borg^Queenyes,09:14
Borg^QueenIn the Celtic-Irish mythology, Balor is the god of death and the king of the Fomorians, a race of giants. He was the son of Buarainech and the husband of Cethlenn. Balor had only one eye, which he kept closed because anything he looked at would die instantly. 09:14
verden01i found sudo strange at first but am used to it now09:14
Tm_TBorg^Queen: yes, mythology, that was the word I was seeking for =)09:14
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Tm_TBorg^Queen: yes, now you're talking!09:15
Borg^Queenlol09:15
Borg^QueenAye, so to speak09:15
Tm_TI love celtic mythology09:15
Borg^Queenverden01: you became accustomed to sudo?09:15
verden01di youknow that Irish people have one of the highest rates of Ceoliac Disease in the world?09:15
verden01yeah09:15
Tm_T=)09:16
Borg^QueenThere is celtic mythos, by celts and celtic mythos by modern christains. Dont' confuse the two.09:16
verden01well it just another command09:16
Borg^Queenlol09:16
Borg^Queenoooops09:16
verden01LOL LOL LOL09:16
Tm_Thaha09:16
Borg^QueenI am born and raise Pagan, half the stuff I see on TV. I never saw in my clan.09:17
Tm_TBorg^Queen: you think tolkien borrowed much from celtic mythology to his books?09:17
Borg^QueenI laugh when people ask me about "spells" and other things.09:17
Tm_TBorg^Queen: define Pagan09:18
Borg^QueenTolken did borrow from several mythos to write his book09:18
Tm_Tyes09:18
Borg^QueenPagan, Pre - Welsh Pagan to be exact. 09:18
Tm_Thmm09:18
Tm_Tok09:18
ice_1963can i install firefox in kubuntu ?????09:18
Borg^QueenIt means we have no Jewish or Christian influences.09:19
Borg^Queenice_1963: yes, in fact I think it already has it09:19
Borg^QueenAnyway, the reason I'm here is because I'm having a horrible time deciding on a replacement distro for RH9.009:20
verden01yes firefox works great09:20
da_bon_bonice_1963: apt-get install mozilla-firefox09:20
Tm_TBorg^Queen: RH sucks =)09:20
Borg^Queenverden01: Mozilla is better for highend machines.09:20
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Borg^QueenLOL Tm_T 09:20
ice_1963have tryed useing firefox yet 09:20
Tm_TBorg^Queen: err, why mozilla suite is better?09:20
Borg^QueenActually RH9 was the top most stable release since RH 7.3, second only to debian09:21
Borg^QueenTm_T: not better, 09:21
Tm_Thm09:21
Borg^QueenHard to explain, more intergrated09:21
Tm_TI think it's bloat09:21
Borg^QueenYes on a slow machine.09:21
Tm_Teven in fast machine09:21
Borg^QueenOn a highend one it great.09:21
Tm_Tnope09:21
Tm_Tdisagree =)09:21
Borg^QueenI have several highend machines here. It opens in 4 sec09:22
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Tm_Tbut it still take too much resources09:22
verden01what better than firefox?09:22
Borg^Queenok we disagree09:22
Borg^QueenNothing09:22
Tm_T=)09:22
Borg^QueenWell Konq09:22
gnumdki've fix my konqueror segfault(double entries), remove /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ from /etc/kderc and now my kde works perfectly, seems that default kubuntu configuration is buggy for some people09:23
Borg^QueenSo my other problem is that I'm an idealist. 09:23
Borg^Queengnumdk: interesting09:23
BlackLabelhas anyone installed splashy?09:23
Borg^Queengnumdk:  thanks09:23
gnumdkBlackLabel: yes09:24
da_bon_bonwhats splashy ?09:24
gnumdkda_bon_bon: bootsplash in user space09:24
BlackLabelgnumdk: do u know where splash themes go?09:24
ice_1963mozilla works09:24
concept10Borg: if you have been using Red Hat for awile, you might want to try Fedora09:24
da_bon_bongnumdk: bootsplash as in the one that hides all the startup messages ?09:24
gnumdkBlackLabel: juste look at /etc/splashy, on image and some options to change ;)09:24
Borg^Queenconcept10: I did.09:24
BlackLabelk09:24
concept10Borg: you didnt like it?09:25
Borg^QueenI don't know. 09:25
Borg^QueenI have a problem with it being replaced every 6 to 8 months. And I have a problem with RH's company policies.09:25
da_bon_bonconcept10: try this - enter 2 to 3 letters of a persons nick, and press TAB...09:25
Borg^QueenLike I said I'm an idealist.09:25
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Borg^QueenI want to settle on one distro and stick to it09:26
concept10da_bon_bon: thanks alot, i appreciate that tip09:26
Borg^Queenconcept10: now you have to give him chocolate09:26
ChoubakaHello to y'all on this channel too. :)09:26
da_bon_bonconcept10: no problem. remember that it works in all irc clients09:26
Borg^QueenHello09:26
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Borg^QueenI like the philosophy behind this distro. To share, to educate.09:27
Borg^Queenhi `TUX`` 09:28
concept10Borg^Queen: me too, ive been using Fedora for around six months, no problem with it, but im starting to like ubuntu - the comunity is grate09:28
concept10*great09:28
Borg^QueenAye,09:28
Borg^QueenI agree09:28
Borg^QueenFedora was good but its lacking something.09:28
Quinn_StormI personally don't like the idea of supporting redhat, which is why I'm not big on fedora..that and I've gotten used to the debian way of doing things, so kubuntu is easy for me to admin09:28
PDI started my Linux experince through Rdhat, but now switched to this one09:28
ChoubakaI thought I could give KDE a go, but before I can do that I must be able to input japanese in my default (utf-8) locale. Anyone willing to help me with that? :)09:28
Borg^QueenAnd what do you think of it PD 09:28
Borg^QueenThank you Quinn_Storm 09:29
PDBorg^Queen, I should say its excellent09:29
Borg^Queen:)09:29
concept10Quinn_Storm: why dont you like supporting RH09:29
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Borg^QueenChoubaka: What exactly do you need?09:29
Borg^Queenwb Tm_T 09:29
Borg^QueenLOLOLOLOL09:29
`TUX``hi Borg^Queen09:29
ChoubakaTrying to make UIM work on KDE.09:30
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Borg^QueenUIM?09:30
ChoubakaUnified input method.09:30
Borg^Queenhello pointwood 09:30
Borg^QueenAh 09:30
Quinn_Stormconcept10: well they market themselves as the "leader in open source" or some other bs, and they don't really have the core values of Free Software in mind, they've really departed from that, and if they could they'd close up the source to RHEL and walk away from the open source game09:30
Choubakaor universal. something like that.09:30
PDBorg^Queen, I even convinced some of my M$ using frinds to use this, they liked it09:30
Borg^QueenHm, I'm not even on Kubuntu yet. Maybe someone else can help09:30
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ChoubakaI've looked at the forums but the instructions don't seem to work for me.09:31
Borg^QueenQuinn_Storm: I agree completely09:31
concept10Quinn_Storm: nice point09:31
Borg^QueenCan anyone help Choubaka ?09:31
Quinn_Stormof course that's why I like debian & the focus on the philosophy, I just hope that debian and ubuntu can keep working together, I'd hate to see one damage the other09:32
Borg^QueenQuinn_Storm: I agree.09:32
Borg^QueenOne more thing that concerns me is, the seeming lack of packages. Is that actually the case?09:32
Quinn_StormBorg^Queen: no, just enable universe & multiverse09:32
Borg^QueenAnd is it hard to build a package from source code?09:33
Borg^QueenAh ok09:33
ChoubakaBorg^Queen: Ubuntu has a couple thousand packages :)09:33
concept10The only reason I use Fedora is im trying to get a sysadmin job and alot of companies recognize RH, Fedora is no better than any other distro - they have some tools that other distros lack, but Ubuntu's philosophy is great, I wonder how long they will be around09:33
Borg^QueenChoubaka: repeat your question, with a little more detail.09:33
Borg^QueenChoubaka: thanks09:33
Borg^QueenThat's another thing that concerns me. How long will kubuntu be around?09:34
ChoubakaBorg^Queen: I need to be able to input Japanese in KDE applications, preferably  using UIM.09:34
verden01i find there are more than enough available packages with universe and multiverse enabled09:34
ChoubakaBorg^Queen: as long as there's a community to maintain it.09:34
Borg^QueenDo you have the Japanese language installed?09:35
jsgotangcokubuntu will be around as long as there are people interested in improving it and helping out09:35
Borg^QueenChoubaka: good point09:35
ChoubakaI have all the fonts required.09:35
verden01i hope that is a long time09:35
Quinn_StormChoubaka: I -think- you can do that just using xkb, but I'm not 100% certain09:35
ChoubakaI can use japanese in Gnome applications.09:35
Tm_T_uaaah!09:35
Choubakabut as far as I know KDE doesn't support Input modules.09:36
Borg^Queenhttp://uim.freedesktop.org/wiki/09:36
debauchery1stwhat's the best DVD player for ubuntu09:36
Tm_T_debauchery1st: mplayer09:36
Borg^Queenkmplayer and kaffeine09:36
Choubakaor rather, Ubuntu's KDE doesn't.09:36
Tm_T_no, mplayer09:36
Tm_T_mplayer used from konsole09:36
concept10I believe ubuntu will be around for awhile as long as thier business model takes off - give away good distro, build a good community supported by a good philosophy around free software and make money off of support 09:37
debauchery1stkaffeine seems to have problems with this DVD ... it doesn't have a menu and all I get is a white screen09:37
Borg^QueenThat's their busines model?09:37
Borg^Queendebauchery1st: do you have all the libs installed for kaffiene?09:37
Quinn_StormBorg^Queen: actually the founder of Ubuntu has said publicly that even if the support falls through he'll support ubuntu as a charity09:38
debauchery1stBorg^Queen: I'm not sure about that09:38
concept10Thats what I believe from everything I have read thus far09:38
Borg^Queenplus make sure the dvd isn't mounted09:38
Tm_T_debauchery1st: just run in konsole "mplayer /dev/<yourdvddevice>09:38
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Borg^QueenQuinn_Storm: yes I read that, Shuttleford?09:38
Quinn_StormBorg^Queen: huh?09:38
ChoubakaQuinn_Storm: Yay for weird OSS-friendly millionaires. \o/09:38
Quinn_StormChoubaka: yep!09:38
Borg^QueenMark Shuttleworth09:38
Quinn_StormAhh, yeah, sounds right09:39
concept10im not talking about charging everydayusers, im talking about charging someone that wants to implement it in thier company and want some type of support09:39
Tm_T_hm09:39
Borg^Queenconcept10: sounds good09:39
Quinn_Stormconcept10: yeah, he wants to make a company providing support for those who want it09:39
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Borg^QueenI suppose I just have to get used to it09:40
Borg^Queenhello Gavrila 09:40
Tm_T_ok, gotta get some breakfast ->09:40
GavrilaBorg^Queen: hello :) 09:41
Borg^QueenMy biggest fears are a short life span for the distro, plus bad community. I also need it to work well.09:41
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Borg^QueenBreakfast09:41
Borg^QueenOooh my it's late09:41
debauchery1stmplayer via console crashes09:41
Borg^Queenyou disc is mounted09:41
Borg^QueenUnmount it09:41
Tm_Tdebauchery1st: what?09:41
Tm_Tdebauchery1st: crashes??!09:42
ChoubakaBorg^Queen: Basically all those fears are voided with Ubuntu. :p09:42
Borg^QueenHow do I disable that automount thing09:42
Borg^QueenChoubaka: you think09:42
debauchery1stTm_T: yeah it crashes09:42
Tm_Teh09:42
Tm_Tstrange09:42
Borg^QueenChoubaka: was the site I gave you any help?09:42
debauchery1stTm_T: is it because the disc is mounted like Borg^Queen said?09:42
ChoubakaI'm still installing KDE. I'll check soon.09:42
Tm_Tnno09:42
Borg^QueenChoubaka: ok, I hope it helps. I don't know anything about it. Sorry.09:43
Tm_Tdebauchery1st: if that causes the crashing, you really have hell of a mess09:43
Tm_Tdebauchery1st: I tes it09:43
Tm_Ttest09:43
Borg^QueenOh and kuser crashes too.09:43
Borg^QueenAre they going to fix that?09:43
Borg^QueenI mean KDE has a update to it, but does kubuntu have it yet?09:43
Choubakaif you report it as a bug, they will.09:44
Borg^QueenIts a kde 3.4 bug09:44
Borg^QueenAnd kde has the fix, 09:44
Quinn_StormBorg^Queen: what causes the crash?09:44
Borg^QueenI don't know.09:44
Borg^QueenI didn't read up on it09:44
Quinn_StormBorg^Queen: I mean how do you make it crash?09:44
Borg^QueenBy inputing anything. Updating a user, etc09:44
Quinn_Stormyep09:45
debauchery1stTm_T: nope... unmounting it didn't help09:45
Borg^QueenIf you tried to change the user's password the moment you hit ok it crashs09:45
Borg^QueenQuinn_Storm: it crashed?09:45
Quinn_StormBorg^Queen: yep, latest updates here09:45
Borg^Queendebauchery1st: is it a dvd or a vcd?09:45
Borg^QueenQuinn_Storm:  they update is there?09:45
debauchery1stBorg^Queen: it's a DVD09:45
Borg^Queenodd09:45
debauchery1stBorg^Queen: it works in set-top dvd players09:46
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Borg^QueenOh darn I wanted to ask him if he installed the update09:46
Borg^Queenhell amu 09:46
Borg^Queenhello rather lOL09:46
Borg^Queensorry09:46
debauchery1stBorg^Queen: and it works in winxp 09:47
amu-moin'09:47
Borg^QueenOOOH don't say winxp, bad word09:47
debauchery1styeah, well .. it came with the laptop09:47
Borg^Queendebauchery1st: do you have a dell by any chance?09:47
debauchery1stBorg^Queen: HELL NO!09:47
Borg^Queenok just checking09:47
pointwoodI can't launch kate - if I try it in a terminal, I get this: kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.09:48
debauchery1stBorg^Queen: it's an HP zd800009:48
Borg^QueenWell I need to go. Thanks for helping me with my ethical delema09:48
Borg^QueenHP good09:48
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Borg^Queenpointwood: I think I got that on the test machine09:48
Borg^Queenwb BlackLabel 09:48
BlackLabelya09:49
Tm_Tdebauchery1st: yes, looks like ubuntu repos have buggy mplayer, then compile it from newest sources then09:49
pointwoodthis is a more or less fresh install09:49
BlackLabeldid anyone else an error when trying to install splashy09:50
Choubakahmm.09:50
debauchery1stTm_T: does breezybadger have an updated pkg by any chance?09:50
debauchery1stTm_T: or at least a more stable one?09:51
debauchery1stTm_T: that must've sounded ridiculous09:51
Borg^QueenWhen is this breezy badger coming out?09:53
amu-Oct.200509:53
Borg^QueenAh the month I was born.09:54
Borg^QueenGo me Go me09:54
verden01whoopdy do  09:55
verden01:)09:55
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verden01ouchhhh09:55
verden01hang on it was an Irish stick it didn't even hurt09:56
Borg^QueenHave you seen an Irish Walking stick?09:56
Borg^QueenIt's a Staff09:56
verden01hahahaha   well no09:56
debauchery1sthmm ... must be this particular dvd.... Alex Jones: Police State II DVD works fine09:56
verden01you just said a stick but an irish walking stick well thats just too much09:57
Borg^QueenAye, then laddie. Have you ever heard the phrase "Beaten to a lather"?09:57
verden01yeah 09:57
verden01:(09:57
Borg^Queendebauchery1st: clean the disc. remember to whip from the centre out. Do NOT go in circles.09:57
Borg^Queenverden01: don't frown09:57
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verden01:)09:58
debauchery1stBorg^Queen: the disc is clean ... it's a DVD screener of Alexander 09:58
Borg^Queenscreener?09:58
debauchery1stso it's probably a hacked burn or something09:58
Ninohello, is it possible to install ubuntu directly over network (like with the debian network install without copying data from the cd) with a normal ubuntu install CD?09:59
debauchery1stscreener ... the copies they send out for "award consideration"09:59
Borg^QueenNino: I would think so.09:59
Borg^Queenaward consideration?10:00
debauchery1stBorg^Queen: like the oscars10:00
Borg^Queenoh10:00
ChoubakaIt's not working :/10:01
NinoBorg^Queen: and how to?10:01
Borg^QueenAre there really developers in here from time to time. I remember Riddell said he was.10:01
ChoubakaMaybe it will with KDE 4.010:02
Tm_Tdebauchery1st: ok, use xine, it works10:02
Choubakawhen kde'll support input modules.10:02
Borg^QueenChoubaka: I hope so. Contact ubuntu and kde and ask them to do that.10:02
ChoubakaWhat KDE will there be in Breezy?10:02
Borg^QueenNino: I don't know I've never done it. but I would guess, if you can access the cdrom via your network you can install like that.10:03
Borg^QueenChoubaka: what ever stable kde is out there.10:03
ChoubakaHm.10:03
Borg^QueenSo if 4.0 i stable, I guess it will be there.10:03
ChoubakaPerhaps not 4.0 then10:03
Borg^QueenMaybe not10:03
Tm_Tjust check 4.0 release timing10:04
Tm_Tfrom KDE.org :p10:04
Borg^QueenOoh another problem I have with Kubuntu is all my my machines have 2 or more hard drives.10:05
Borg^QueenHow do I get it to partition and use these hard drive? Expert mode?10:05
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BlackLabelthere is a partition manager when u install10:05
Gavrilahow unstable is breezy? I mean if I change my repositories to breezy how often will my system break?10:06
Borg^QueenBlackLabel: Aye, like in Debian installer10:06
BlackLabeldunno havent installed it10:07
Borg^QueenI have on a test machine.10:07
Borg^QueenBut I didn't remember10:07
Borg^QueenToo tired.10:07
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crimsunGavrila: expect serious instability for these first few weeks10:07
Borg^Queenhello _trevor 10:07
Borg^Queenand good night to all10:08
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Borg^QueenThanks for your input.10:08
Borg^QueenI have a lot to think about10:08
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Gavrilacrimsun: when do you think it will be usable?10:09
crimsunGavrila: depends what you require as "usable"10:10
Gavrilacrimsun: like debian unstable is10:10
crimsunit should be that stable always, at least10:10
crimsunif you only update once per day, you'll probably be fine10:11
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crimsunif you update every 30 minutes, you're bound to catch something in flux10:11
Gavrilacrimsun: debian unstable never broke my system... sometimes screwed up some update, but never had to reinstall10:11
Gavrilacrimsun: I usually update my system once a day10:12
Gavrilaor once every 2 days10:12
crimsunthen it should be safe for you to begin using Breezy in 3-4 weeks10:12
Gavrilabecause I found kubuntu really a great distro10:12
Gavrilabut the thing I dislike is that once I install it10:12
Gavrilait will never upgrade10:13
crimsunthat's a _good_ thing.10:13
Gavrilafor some things yes10:13
Gavrilanot for others10:13
crimsunstability is always a good thing10:13
Gavrilafor example, kde 3.4.1 will be surely better than and more stable than 2.4.010:14
Gavrila3.4.010:14
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Gavrilabut I won't get it keeping hoary repositories10:14
crimsunthat's the hope, but it doesn't always work out that way.10:14
Gavrilacrimsun: I use kde since a long time... it IS so :)10:14
Gavrilaand let me tell you I didn't find kde 3.4.0 SO stable10:14
crimsunjust because it has been doesn't imply it will always be10:14
crimsunthink about how often you upgrade your RAM10:15
Gavrilacrimsun: ehehe are u a Karl Popper fan?10:15
GavrilaI can't see the point in my RAM10:15
crimsunit's the whole abstraction and layering bit10:17
crimsunobviously some things must remain stable10:18
crimsunupdating to a new kernel everyday is bound to introduce regressions10:18
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_tekhello everyone, damn this is a fairly full house even for this room10:19
crimsunheh, I remember when it was 4 people10:20
Gavrilacrimsun: that's what I've been saying. I don't complain about kernel upgrades, but stable software released an improved as it could be a new kde10:20
crimsunGavrila: well, that's why Kubuntu will release every six months10:21
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Gavrilahheheh I'm an update freak O_o10:22
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crimsunthere are a bunch in every crowd10:23
Gavriladon't shoot me please :(10:25
Gavrila:P10:25
Gavrila!seen10:26
Gavrilais there any seen command or sort of?10:26
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incubiino matter how many bloody times i install mplayer-powerpc it doesnt exit10:30
NinoIs there an official internet mirror with the ubuntu archiv (for install from) ???10:31
incubiito perform a net install ?10:35
Ninoyes10:35
Ninoincubii: i have a laptop, i can boot from cd but after i plugged in the wth card and removed the cdrom i can not plugin the cdrom again. it does not get detected anymore10:36
incubiii dont beleive you can install (k)ubuntu through net install10:36
Ninowhy not?10:36
incubiiit doesnt have the option ?10:37
Ninoit has, you type expert as the boot parameter10:37
incubiioh ok10:39
incubiii never saw it in expert mode10:39
incubiionly ever bothered with cd install due to dialup10:39
incubiideb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release powerpc (20050407)] / hoary main restricted10:40
incubii deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted10:40
incubii deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted10:40
incubii deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted10:40
incubii deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted10:40
incubii deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse10:40
incubii deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse10:40
incubii deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted10:40
incubii deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted10:40
incubii deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe multiverse10:40
incubii deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe multiverse10:40
incubiitheres my apt list10:40
incubiiis that what yo are after10:40
incubii?10:40
Gavrilahow can I set a folder in kmail to display html emails while default behavior is set to not allow it?10:46
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March-RX8hello11:05
Borg^Queenwow, a lot happened while I was away11:05
Borg^Queenhello March-RX8 and good night to all11:06
March-RX8night???11:06
March-RX8does anyone know the command to write to add universe packages to my system11:07
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psnMarch-RX8: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list11:11
amusudo echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe" >>/etc/apt/sources.list11:12
March-RX8how can i change screen resolution11:19
amuuse kcontrol, or there's a menu entry for it 11:20
March-RX8but i cant change the colour displayed11:21
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amurun a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf 11:26
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Aircobragood day11:27
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March-RX8it says xserver-xorg not installed (but it is installed)11:30
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maltehm, why is it not possible to clear the history in konqueror? nothing happens when i press the clear history-button11:31
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Aircobraanyone has a chrashy Kaffeine?11:35
buzkaffeine is broken i think11:36
AircobraI have kubuntu on two PCs installed11:36
buzit will keep up chewing loads of cpu11:36
buzand network streams dont work at all11:36
Aircobrayea11:36
Aircobrayou have to kill it after closing11:36
buzyeah11:36
Aircobraotherwise it consumes CPU11:36
buzkillall kaffeine if you want to get your cpu back ;-)11:36
buzand amarok doesn't seem to want to play any streams either11:36
buzbut vlc works fine11:36
Aircobrawell i havent tried streams 11:37
buzcould you try?11:37
buzif 3 people have that problem it's one for sure11:37
Aircobrasure11:37
Aircobraone moment11:37
March-RX8how can i restart the X11 from a tty11:37
buzMarch-RX8: startx11:37
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March-RX8i cant that way, it say it's already running11:38
buzmhh11:38
buzkillall xorg ?11:39
Aircobrabuz i tried streaming www.s-s-s.ch - AmaroK loaded, but then froze11:39
Aircobrasystem have me a message it is not responding11:39
buzmhh same here11:40
buzkaffeine doesnt do anything much anymore either11:40
buzin the preview it worked11:40
Aircobragee, funny, i've been using amarok and kaffeine on mandrake 10.1 with no trouble11:40
buzwell as i say, in the preview the problem wasnt apparent11:40
Aircobrahave you tried googling ?11:40
buzna11:40
Aircobraor searched in forums, wikis?11:40
buzi'm not bothered by it enough as long vlc works ;-)11:41
Aircobravlc is nice, but not interface-wise11:41
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buzvlc has always been my preferred mediaplayer anyway11:41
Aircobraits rather ugly :)11:41
amadeusyeah vlc is rocking!!11:41
buzmhh you need to use the skinned version11:41
buzthen it looks like a osx metal app11:41
Aircobrayeah, maybe11:41
buzthe ui is simple but efficient11:42
Aircobrawill try that later11:42
buzitunes it isnt nor should it be11:42
Aircobratrue11:42
buznow lets see about noatun11:42
buzthat's completely broken it seems11:42
buzkeeps flashing its icon and doing weird stuff11:43
buzconclusion: kde media layer is probably fucked11:43
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amadeus#kde ?11:46
Quinn_Stormbuz: actually, conclusion: use a better media player :-P11:48
buzlike11:49
buzi'd say its a kubuntu problem11:49
buzit worked back in the preview release11:49
March-RX8why dont you install wmp over wine?11:49
buzso not #kde11:49
buzLOL11:49
buzi tried, didn't work11:49
buzi could run it in qemu though ;-)11:49
buznah, wmp is the worst media player ever11:49
March-RX8try itunes over wine then11:49
buzi dont like itunes11:49
buzfor streaming media, vlc is fine11:50
March-RX8xmms?11:50
Quinn_Stormfor non-streaming media, use amaroK11:50
buzand for local mp3s, it seems as amarok would work11:50
Quinn_Stormeven for streaming music11:50
March-RX8mplayer?11:50
buzQuinn_Storm: did you try streaming music in kubuntu final on amarok?11:50
buzdoesn't work for me anymore11:50
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buzand noatun doesn't even load properly11:50
ChoubakaHmm.11:50
Quinn_Stormbuz: that's strange...but I use an amaroK compiled from cvs and use it w/ the xine engine11:51
buzmhh11:51
ChoubakaI can't use beep-media-player anymore.11:51
buzthere obviously IS something wrong11:51
ice_1963will mplayer play dvd's ????11:51
Choubakait seemingly stopped working after I installed kde.11:51
buzmhh amarok doesn't even show any installed engines11:51
buzWTF11:51
buzmaybe that's the problem11:51
buzand i think mplayer is somehow acting weird with streams too11:53
amuwhat's wrong with kaffeine watching dvd's ?  11:54
buzi think kaffeine is totally broken11:54
amuyou just install libdvdcss and you can watch them 11:55
buzi know that11:55
buzbut kaffeine itself crashes upon closing11:55
`TUX``amu:  hi 11:55
buzand won't play any streams for me11:55
`TUX``kaffeine  crash  on  3  computer with  kubuntu11:55
`TUX``or  stay  PID  after closed  and  100% cpu11:56
buzyeah same here11:56
March-RX8when i used mdk it never crashed11:56
amuyou use ubuntu3 packages ?  11:56
buzand noatun wont load either11:56
`TUX``amu:  kaffeine  debian  manteiner  told  that  is  a  ubuntu  issue 11:56
`TUX``i tryed  debian pkg but  11:57
`TUX``problem  is  there 11:57
`TUX``is  some lib  related i think11:57
amu`TUX``: slowly, which version you use, and what crashes ? 11:57
buzthe one in the final11:58
buzthe preview release worked11:58
`TUX``0.6.0unbuntu211:58
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buz0.6-0ubuntu211:59
Gavrilahey guys, do hoary updates include crashfix updates or only security^11:59
buzmaybe xine is broken11:59
`TUX``if  i  launch kaffeine file  from  console  and  close  it  crash 11:59
amuic , that's correct there were some problems, nd it looks like ubuntu3 didnt appear in the final install/live set, so feel free upgrade to ubuntu3 11:59
`TUX``if  i launch  clicking on a  file  and  close it close 11:59
buzapt-get distupgrade wont upgrade it12:00
`TUX``but  PId  stay  there sucking CPU12:00
amuyep, those things are fixed in ubuntu3 12:00
`TUX``it is  not  a  xine  problem  because  all  xine  prog  works  well12:00
`TUX``except kaffeine12:00
buzso where can we get it?12:00
`TUX``where is  ubuntu3 pkg?12:01
`TUX``there isn't in breezy12:01
amuhold on i'll check, i uploaded it a week ago 12:01
malteit's not in the rep12:01
buzi have main, update, universe and multiverse12:01
maltesame here12:01
buzno updates since the release12:01
March-RX8how can i get synaptic in kubuntu?? i did it on the other pc but i dont remember how (with GUI)12:02
buzapt-get install synaptic12:02
March-RX8it get all the dependence automatically?12:03
amuAccepted kaffeine 0.6-0ubuntu3 (source)12:03
amuFrom: 12:03
amuAndreas Mueller <amu@ubuntu.com>12:03
amu  To: 12:03
amuhoary-changes@lists.ubuntu.com12:03
amu  Date: 12:03
amu06.04.2005 18:4012:03
amuAccepted:12:04
amukaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz12:04
amu  to pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz12:04
amukaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.dsc12:04
amu  to pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.dsc12:04
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Nino hi, in the file sources.list what is the hoary-security thing ??? # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe12:14
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Aircobrayou ment /etc/apt/sources.list ?12:16
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amustrange, not arrived till today... 12:21
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Ninook, next thing. Control Center Network Settings in KDE refuses to accept an IP for the Default Gateway and it also refuses to accept an IP for the DNS for my just plugged in PCMCIA ethernet card. pinging another pc (by IP) works. Why is this? Where can i configure it by hand???12:31
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ubuntuhello 12:34
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karltkI was wondering what tricks I have to do in order to get printing working properly. I've started /etc/init.d/cupsys, it listens to port localhost:631, but when trying to connect to this port (say, by printing from kdf, using konqueror or even telnet), it just hangs. Any ideas?12:52
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Aircobrais there any way to make firefox look better in Kubuntu?01:07
Aircobrait looks normaly in Ubuntu, but on KDE its just not right01:07
Aircobra--01:08
Aircobraanother thing: I have huge un-antialiased fonts on aMule01:09
Aircobraany ideas what's causing it?01:09
Aircobraand how to fix it01:09
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malteamule is not gtk2 iirc, and firefox can be kde-ized by using the qt-gtk-theme-thingamob01:11
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Tm_Thullo01:13
tuxorhiho01:14
Aircobrafifo :)01:14
maltehullo01:14
Aircobramalte please explain about this kde-izing process01:15
Aircobrado you mean i should change theme for KDE ?01:15
malte"gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones"01:16
malteof course, i prefer konqueror myself :)01:17
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Aircobrakonqueror is nice01:21
Aircobrabut its the extensions that make firefox no1 in my opinion01:22
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Aircobraand thanks for help malte 01:22
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malteAircobra, np01:39
=== Aircobra so happy - the apps dont look crappy (no more)
Aircobrahow poetic01:40
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CellarDoorhey01:42
CellarDoorcan anyone help a n00b get himself connected to better repositories ?01:43
Ninook, well01:43
CellarDoorIm a command line n00b and instructions @ http://ubuntuguide.org/ don't seem to work01:44
CellarDoorsomeone with some patience :P01:44
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CellarDoorwb KaiL01:45
KaiLgtk2-engines-gtk-qt looks nice on xchat :)01:46
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CellarDoorIm in need of a little help here01:46
verden01Hi01:46
CellarDoorhi verden0101:46
verden01hey01:47
AircobraCellarDoor hold on01:47
verden01what sort of help01:47
Aircobrawhat part on ubuntuguide.org is unclear ?01:47
CellarDoorcould someone walk me through adding new repositories so I can easily get just about anythin I wan't through Kynaptic ?01:47
verden01yeah install synaptic01:48
verden01sudo apt-get install synaptic01:48
CellarDooris synaptic better ?01:48
Aircobrair sure is :)01:48
KaiLgrr... brb (X-restart)01:48
CellarDoorokies01:48
verden01well you can add repositories with it01:49
CellarDooraah this is good :)01:49
verden01install it and i'll walk youthrough it01:49
verden01i think there is a howto on this as well01:49
verden01anyone?01:49
CellarDoorsudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list01:50
verden01do you have gedit?01:50
CellarDoor> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list01:50
CellarDooroops01:50
verden01yeah01:50
CellarDoorno I don't have gedit01:50
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CellarDoorsorry for repeat01:50
verden01you have nano so youcan use that if you like01:50
CellarDoornano ?01:51
CellarDoorjust a sec01:51
KaiLwhy on earth I can't get my overlay back01:51
verden01sudo nano -t /etc/apt/sources.list01:51
verden01when yu have nano up scroll down and uncomment anything that has universe in it01:52
CellarDoorokies verden01 gimmie a sec01:52
verden01do you know how to uncomment?01:53
CellarDoornopes :P01:53
verden01delete the # in any line that has universe 01:53
verden01let me know when youhave done that01:54
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verden01i'm in australia too so i could just send youmy apt/sources.list01:55
verden01and you could add it01:55
CellarDoorok Ive removed the #'s I see for universe...01:55
CellarDoorooh01:55
CellarDoorso what do I do to save that ?01:56
verden01ok now go Ctrl c and Ctrl v and then Ctrl x and youshould be done01:56
CellarDoorokay01:56
verden01when youhave done that   do a sudo apt-get update01:56
CellarDoorare there more souces I can add ?01:56
CellarDoorokay01:57
verden01yeah but the ubuntu guide will tell youthose i only have universe enabled as an extra01:57
CellarDoorooh I type sudo apt-get update precious and aways it goes precious01:57
verden01when the update has finished close the console and start kynaptic and youwill have many more packages to choose from :)01:58
CellarDoorokies01:58
CellarDoorlemmy see01:58
verden01your on braodband so it shouldn't take long01:59
verden01hey not bad advice for free   :-)02:00
CellarDooryeah :D02:00
verden01thats what makes linux so good02:00
CellarDoorthanks mate02:00
verden01the communities02:00
verden01your welcome02:00
CellarDooryeah i been watching the ubuntu/kutuntu community action and thats what pushed me over the line to install it02:00
verden01now you can download as many packages as you want02:01
verden01have youused linux b4?02:01
CellarDoorkewlness02:01
verden01debian is great02:01
CellarDooryeah but haven't learned much, tried FC1 briefly, then went to Mandrake for a few months, now Im using Kubuntu02:01
verden01well if you want to learn then debian is the way to go02:02
verden01and i think kubuntu is great02:02
verden01so CellarDoor did all that go right?02:03
CellarDoorIm not sure actaully02:03
CellarDooryeah, I just installed Kdict02:04
CellarDoorthat wasn't on there before02:04
verden01well if you have kubuntu open go tothe left had top and go to sections and it will show you wether the packages are from universe or not02:05
verden01it starts off with ameture radio02:05
CellarDoorkynaptic crashed02:06
verden01oh open it again from the menu02:06
CellarDoorCould not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:07
verden01do you have a konsole open02:07
CellarDoornope02:07
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CellarDoorI do now02:07
verden01ok02:07
verden01type kynaptic and see if it opens02:08
CellarDooroh kynaptic opened, it just had a couple of error dialoges come up first02:08
verden01or i should have said sudo kynaptic02:08
verden01how did it go?02:10
CellarDoorkynaptic opens but says: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:10
CellarDooralso says: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?02:10
verden01maybe ddo a reboot02:11
CellarDoorhmm okies02:12
amuyou need to start kynaptix with: sudo kynaptic 02:12
CellarDooryea I did that02:12
CellarDoorgonna reboot brb02:12
verden01k02:12
amuthan it probably runs on anonther session, or died last time using it, and there's still a lock file 02:13
verden01thats happend to me b402:13
verden01theres a few bugs in this kubuntu still02:13
verden01kate seems to crash on me02:13
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verden01and i can't change the size of the panel to a custom size02:14
KaiLworks here..02:15
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verden01oh i downloaded the final release yesterday and to be honest the rc that was updated was better02:15
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verden01wb02:16
CellarDoorback02:16
CellarDoorty02:16
verden01is it working?02:17
CellarDoorok so what do I do in kynaptic to see what repositories are available ?02:17
CellarDoorkynaptic seems ok02:18
verden01just have a look around at the packages 02:18
verden01you can change how youlook at them02:18
verden01do you have insatlled and not installed02:18
CellarDooraaah yes i c yeh starts with ameteur radio02:18
verden01ok so you definately have the extra repositories enabled :)02:19
CellarDooryay :D02:19
verden01have fun 02:19
CellarDoorthanks !02:19
verden01i out of here for tonight bed time    no worries anytime bye02:19
CellarDoorI haven't had help like this with any other distro02:20
CellarDoorokies night02:20
verden01well get used to it  :)02:20
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CellarDoor:D02:20
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Speedy2Well, not every hardware works :/02:24
Speedy2The Live CD (and I presume the installer) doesn't have drivers for my LSI Logic Fusion MPT U320 SCSI controller02:24
CellarDooraww02:25
CellarDoorstill no libdvdcss02:25
CellarDoor:(02:25
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CellarDoorcan anyone help me with libdvdcss ?02:28
thoreauputicCellarDoor: marillat repository02:28
CellarDoorokies02:28
CellarDoorhow do I add that ?02:28
thoreauputicCellarDoor: it's listed on the wiki Restricted Formats page I think02:28
thoreauputicread the page, it tells you how02:29
CellarDoorokies02:29
thoreauputicor look at www.ubuntuguide.org02:29
CellarDoorokay thanks02:29
CellarDoorbbs02:29
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thoreauputichttp://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories02:31
thoreauputichttp://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback02:32
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judeis there any way to choose a style/theme for gnome apps in kubuntu?02:41
judethey kinda look terrible here :)02:41
unimilif you've got gtk2-enines-gtk-qt (iirc) package installed.. you can choose it from the control center.02:42
unimilgah.. gtk2-engines-gtk-qt or something.02:42
judethe kde control centre? Right, I'll install that package then, thanks02:42
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Speedy2http://www.polinux.upv.es/mozilla/temas.php?idioma=en02:47
Speedy2gtk-QT themeing engine02:47
Speedy2err02:47
Speedy2That wasn't the right URl, sorry02:47
Speedy2Search for "gtk-qt-engine" on www.freshmeat.net02:48
Speedy2You should get it02:48
Aircobrayou can apt-get it too02:50
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judethanks Speedy2 02:56
\shmorning03:00
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eazel7hi ppl03:00
eazel7yesterday I installed kubuntu (using bootstrap)03:00
eazel7I can't figure out why kdesu doesn't runs any program03:01
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Choubakagtk apps are ugly only under KDE. :/03:04
eazel7jude: when it looked ugly?03:05
judeit looked ugly til i got it using qt themes 03:05
judelooked out of place03:05
judeit's about the only gnome app I ever liked03:06
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\shjude: screenshot?03:10
eazel7well, konversation is very similar03:11
\shsad that only 0.17 came out after the hoary release03:12
judeit is03:12
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judekonversati0n has too much wasted screen room for my tastes03:12
judebut thats what I'm using currently - trying to get used to it :)03:13
eazel7you think03:13
psnjude: in what way?03:13
\shjude: well..if I have the time to bring kmyirc alive i will code another type of irc client..no dcc no scripts nothing pure irc ;)03:13
judeof course, it's all about opinions after all03:13
jude\sh put me on the mailing list - that sounds ideal :)03:14
eazel7\sh: use jabber then03:14
\shjude: kmyirc.sf.net ;)03:14
judenoted :)03:14
\sheazel7: well...i'm a jabber server admin as well...I have my own ;)03:14
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jude"03:15
\shjude: but the code is too old for compiling under actual kde ;)03:15
kkathmangood morning, or whatever it is where you are :)03:15
KaiLjude: I'll use konversation the day, I can hide the server tabs...03:15
judewell get your skates on then - us non-coders are depending on you03:15
eazel7\sh: great, what jeps it incorpores? does it have pubsub?03:15
judeKail: that's one annoyance - also i want the damn things at the top, and no status bar03:15
\sheazel7: not right now...03:15
eazel7ok03:16
\sheazel7: i'm waiting for a non python implementation ;)03:16
eazel7ok03:16
eazel7so, anybody has any idea about kdesu doesn't works to me?03:16
\sheazel7: but proxy65 is in ( ok also python ,)) icq, aim, msn and muc03:16
psnjude: you can put the tabs on the top and hide the statusbar03:17
judepsn: in konv?03:17
psnjude: yup03:17
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KaiLwow, gcc 4.0 in breezy?03:18
psnjude: for the statusbar: Settings->Hide Statusbar03:18
\shwell03:18
\shfunny thing is on the console: kdesu kcontrol workds03:18
judeahaha03:18
eazel7wasn't it already in the hoary dev?03:18
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KaiLis that binary compatible to 3.x?03:18
KaiLor again Problems?03:18
eazel7\sh: not to me :(03:18
\shbut running kdesu directly from kcontrol (e.g. for network control) its not working03:18
jude\sh that doesn't work here either03:19
eazel7it doesn't works neither from the console :(03:19
judeI had to edit net settings by hand03:19
psnjude: for the tabbar: Settings->Configure Konversation...->Behavior->Tab Bar->Labels->Place tab labels on top03:19
\shwell finally i don't have to edit anything...sudo pon dsl-provider or in the office vi dhcp...it's running ;)03:19
judethanks psn, I promise to pay more attention in future03:22
KaiLhas anybody updated from debian/sarge and got sudo to work?03:22
psnjude: just come by #konversation if you got any other questions03:23
judepsn: ta - is there a scripting interface?03:23
psnjude: not really... you can use some dcop based scripts though... eg /media03:24
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Tm_Thuoh03:25
kkathmanhowdy Tm_T !03:26
Tm_Thullo03:26
Tm_TI'm listening music I used to listen over 5 years ago03:27
kkathmanI got tickled a bit with the new announcement from Mandriva03:27
Tm_Tbrings much memories03:27
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kkathmanMandriva is putting out an "interim" release, which they are only releasing to their paying membership...kinda crappy if you ask me. Otherwise you have to pay for it. No download.03:28
eazel7:-/03:28
kkathmandont they believe in "open" or is this the Red Hat model all over again?03:28
Tm_Thm03:29
eazel7I bought the mandrake 7.2 and it was my worst invested money03:29
judehas anyone ever run crossover-ofice on kubuntu? I'm considering buying a copy...03:29
eazel7jude: I did03:29
\shkkathman: they need money03:29
eazel7jude: it works, don't worry03:29
judeeazel7: thats great to know, thanks03:30
kkathman\sh obviously03:30
eazel7jude: but the same as with flash plugin, if you plan to use the plugins, disable composite03:30
judeI want it for IE (web page testing) and autocad03:30
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judeeazel7: I don't understand the instruction, sorry - is that an X option?03:30
eazel7jude: it's a extension03:31
\shjude: use arcad ;)03:31
\shjude: running under windows and linux ;)03:31
\shjude: native03:31
eazel7jude: probably you doesn't have it enabled03:31
eazel7is there any good open source cad program?03:33
judeI have never found one, but that doesn't mean there isn't one :)03:33
\shqcad? ,-)03:34
\sh but arcad .. it's worth the money...i was working with this guy couple of years ago..1987 i think it was...there was the first release of this programm running on a 286/386 :) 03:35
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eazel7qcad isn't 3d03:35
judehow much is arcad?03:35
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\shjude: i don't know..there are several pricing modells...best is if u r a student :)03:36
\shhttp://www.arcad.de03:36
judeyeah, I found the site - it looks nice03:36
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\shits using a render software to show you the want to be build house ;)03:39
judeyeah, I've done some architectural visulalisation stuff, but it was on windows - modelled in autocad and rendered in max03:40
judeI'm trying to learn blender now :)03:40
kkathmanjude: what's blender?03:41
da_bon_bonhey anyone from mumbai, india out here having the ubuntu cds ? i'd like to buy them...03:42
jude3d model/rener/anim app03:42
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eazel7for those things I used several times kpovmodeler getting great results03:43
eazel7but those wasn't huge models, complex, not huge03:43
\sheazel7: blender has all...3d modelling, rendering and animation ;)03:43
judeit is a fantastic example of what open source can achieve03:44
\sheazel7: but i can't use it....for the first stepthrough blender tutorial...the time should be 30 minutes for the first half of it...i used 1 1/2 hours to work through ;)03:44
eazel7\sh: I know, blender has all, but my brain lost the 90% of its mass after an accidental lobotomy, which makes me to be unable to learn blender03:44
judehehe03:45
\sheazel7: dude, me too ;)03:45
judeyou can do it - have you ever done 3d/cad before?03:45
eazel7hehe03:45
eazel7yup03:45
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judeah, thats not the bottleneck then :)03:46
judeI have been finding it hard to transfer skills though, I'll admit. Blender has some very different approaches to max03:48
eazel7void think (void *data); warning: unused variable data03:48
\shwarning: function  'void think' never used 03:49
eazel7hehehe03:49
judewings3d is a really nice modeller, if that's where blender is tripping you up...03:49
eazel7is it oss jude ?03:50
judesudo apt-get install wings3d :)03:50
judeyup 03:51
judealso http://www.wings3d.com/03:51
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Tm_Thm03:55
Tm_Twhat's that03:55
judebummer - it fails here...03:55
jude1> Driver Failed {error,{open_error,"/usr/lib/erlang/lib/esdl-0.94.0615/priv/sdl_driver.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"}}03:56
judethat dir is there, but empty03:57
judehow can I find out if sdl is installed here?03:59
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JRehello04:01
JRei'd like to help on the kubuntu project and i took a look to the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPeople page04:02
judehi JRe04:02
RiddellJRe: cool04:02
JReso i'd like to know how can i get in touch to help the project team :)04:03
RiddellJRe: see HelpingKubuntu too04:03
RiddellJRe: I'm here04:03
JReoki thx04:03
JRein fact i am pretty interessed to help on the kynaptic project :)04:04
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JRebecause i were dreaming for a long time of a Qt based apt front end04:05
JRebetter than KPackage04:05
da_bon_bonhey anyone from mumbai, india out here having the ubuntu cds ? i'd like to buy them...04:05
\shda_bon_bon: ask on the MLs04:06
da_bon_bon\sh: mailing lists ?04:06
\shyeah04:06
eazel7why the distros still builds the kde against the xmms package04:07
eazel7??04:07
KaiLlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 39 2005-01-28 02:13 ../../mozilla/plugins/kaffeineplugin.so -> ../../mozilla/plugins/kaffeineplugin.so04:07
KaiL...why happenes this again and again?04:07
JReanyone knows how can i find informations on the Kynaptic devel team?04:07
KaiLaround 90% of all plugin packages are broken because the "plugin" is only a link on itself04:08
eazel7in the package info?04:08
da_bon_boneazel7: are u sure what are u speaking ?04:08
JReyeah goog idea :)04:08
JRebut i have the debian sid package04:09
eazel7da_bon_bon: some packages has links04:09
da_bon_boneazel7: like ?04:09
eazel7reiserfsprogs04:09
eazel7right now04:09
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da_bon_boneazel7: then where does xmms come in ?04:10
eazel7kicker-applets04:11
eazel7kicker-applets depends on xmms04:11
eazel7='(04:11
eazel7how can I 'rebuild' a debian package building the deb... as ubuntu would do it but changing an option in the configure?04:15
\sheazel7: download the source packages from debian server04:16
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\shcheck inside the sourcetree the debian/ dir04:16
eazel7\sh: apt-get source kicker-applets done04:16
\shchange rules and changelog and control or control.in if its using cdbs04:16
\sheazel7: there is also a documentation how to rebuild debian sources for ubuntu04:17
\shon the wiki04:17
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eazel7\sh: gonna check that04:17
\shdeveloperresources04:17
\sheazel7: and use finally pbuilder04:17
\shwiki/PbuilderHowto04:17
eazel7did you read the article 'ubuntu would be harmful to debian' or something sortof?04:18
\shno04:18
\shbut I'm taking a nap now...cause i want to write a howto about building packages ....04:18
eazel7I think that was on osnews04:19
eazel7\sh: great!!!04:19
kkathman\sh: I will be looking forward to that04:19
\sheazel7: u can start reading my first howto ;) wiki/StephanHermann , there is a subpage on the bottom of my page...check this out...please correct some misspellings etc :)04:20
\shguys...cu later in the night :)04:20
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JRere04:21
JReanyone know how can i contact the kynaptic devel team? i am really interrested in helping them :) ?04:23
judeno idea, sorry - is there anything in the app's help dialog maybe?04:23
JRethere is not yet an anout box 04:23
JReabout box04:24
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RiddellJRe: they'll be me04:25
judeRiddell: are you the whole thing then?04:26
Riddelljude: no, but I do kubuntu with others04:27
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buzprops to you, Riddell 04:27
buzmaybe one of you devs could look into the multimedia stuff?04:28
judeRiddell: sorry, I meant kpackage specifically04:28
buzseems kinda broken, especially kaffeine04:28
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Riddellbuz: there was a fixed kaffine package uploaded but it was too late to get on the CD alas04:29
kkathmananyone here know python?04:29
buzyeah but why dont i get it with apt-get???04:29
membreyapython..great guy04:29
Riddelljude: I don't do kpackage, I packaged kynaptic04:29
membreyabig drinker04:29
buzi tried apt-get daily since the release, nothing04:29
membreyaugly when he drinks04:29
kkathmanmornin membreya !04:29
membreya:D04:29
membreyaaloha!04:29
judeRiddell: ah, now i understand :)04:29
kkathmanmembreya: I wish I was there right now :)04:30
uniqjude: http://webcvs.kde.org/kdeadmin/kpackage/README?rev=1.1.1.1&sortby=date&view=markup04:30
membreyakkathman: hell no ..it's 12 degrees :|04:30
kkathmanmembreya: I mean Hawaii :)04:30
membreyaooooooh gotcha ;)04:30
kkathmanmembreya: you know any python by chance?04:30
membreyathought you were coming on to me :| was trying to let you down gently :P04:30
membreyanope kkathman sorry04:30
uniqjude: the readme says - Toivo Pedaste (toivo@ucs.uwa.edu.au) 04:30
kkathmanROFL :)04:30
membreyakkathman: you could always join #python :P04:31
kkathmanIm trying to change colors on something....it says color=0,0,0   Im assuming thats rgb04:31
kkathmanbut, I changed it to 255,255,255 and the python prog bombs, so Im obviously wrong04:32
membreya255,255,255 is right for RGB04:32
kkathmanso if  0,0,0 is black,  I bet 16, 16, 16 is white?04:32
membreya255,255,255 = white04:32
kkathmanyeah right, but I put in 255,255,255 and the program bombs04:33
kkathmanmaybe 15, 15, 15 ?? errh04:33
membreyago to #python and bitch at em04:33
membreyaNO ...255,255,255 is historically white in RGB04:33
Aircobraif it starts with 0 it ends with 1504:34
kkathmanyep I'd think that too04:34
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kkathmanits a karama theme04:34
judecan konversation connect to more than one server at once?04:34
kkathmanthe monitor Im using has black text...and I want it white04:34
membreyakkathman: I run superkaramba, my theme uses 255,255,255 as it's colour and it's white04:35
kkathmanmembreya: do you use that ubermon1.0 ?04:35
membreyaewwww no04:35
kkathmanmembreya: which mon do you use?04:35
membreyakkathman: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1893604:35
kkathmanthanks, :)04:36
maltewill there be packages for latest kdevelop for kubuntu at some point?04:36
kkathmanmembreya: well its based on ubermon :)04:36
kkathmanI'll try that04:37
membreyaubermon is ugly though :P04:37
kkathmanhey membreya do you know how to get the sensors working on a system...I know you have to tie them in somehow...got a reference on that?04:37
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membreyaerm, how do you mean "how to get them working" lol04:38
kkathmanmembreya: well, right now, I dont get anything on temperature or fan stuff04:38
membreyakkathman: go to your konsole and type cd /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/04:38
membreyathen look at the filesi n there04:39
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kkathmanokie dokie..thank you :)04:39
judecan konversation connect to more than one server at once?04:41
Riddelljude: yes04:41
Tm_Twhy not04:41
Aircobrasee you everyone04:42
Tm_Thmm04:43
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Tm_TTm_Konversation: o/04:44
Tm_Konversationok, this stinks04:44
maltexchat rocks 04:44
maltesadly i don't think there are any good kde irc clients at all :/04:45
Tm_Konversationirssi <304:45
membreyakonversation :D04:45
Tm_Konversationjust testing04:46
Tm_Konversationplah, I hate this04:46
kkathmandamn they need to fix kaffeine!!!04:47
Tm_Konversationok, this sucks04:47
Tm_Teh, and quit messaged don't work04:48
psnTm_T: ofcourse it doesn't04:48
Tm_Tofcourse?04:49
psnTm_T: 1) you wasn't online long enough 2) you had clones04:49
Tm_Thm04:49
Tm_Tclones?04:49
Tm_Tnope04:49
psnTm_T: yes yourself as Tm_T 04:50
Tm_Tbut not linked04:50
psnTm_T: doesn't matter on freenode afaik04:50
Tm_Teh, so it just guess Tm_* are clones?04:50
Tm_Tehh04:50
psnTm_T: no your host would be telling04:51
Tm_Tok, no quitmessage 'cause freenode, I see04:51
Tm_Tpsn: nope, different host04:51
psnTm_T: ok then too short time online then, needs 10mins or so iirc04:51
Tm_Tok, that's freenode specialities then04:52
psnTm_T: btw what sucked?04:52
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Tm_Tok, I hate namelist, couldn't find button to remove it04:53
psnTm_T: it's awfully hard to fix such statements ;)04:53
Tm_Tok, I dislike graphical clients, and Konversation is typical gui client04:54
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psnTm_T: ah that I can't fix04:54
Tm_Tnope04:54
Tm_Tbut I don't need to like it, so it's allright04:55
psnTm_T: well I try to fix bugs if there are any else I don't really care what people like or not :)04:56
Tm_T=)04:56
Tm_Tpsn: is there any way to remove namelist?04:56
psnTm_T: you could minimize it with the splitter04:56
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Tm_Tbut it's still there04:57
psnTm_T: I'll add an option to remove it completely04:57
Tm_Tuh, nice04:57
psnTm_T: well you don't see it.. so why care?04:57
Tm_TI care04:57
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Tm_Tjust a way of rhinking04:57
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Tm_Thmm, maybe I need to optimize my desktop, uses way too much RAM atm04:59
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psnTm_T: you do realize linux use all ram available04:59
Tm_Tpsn: yes, as cache and such05:00
St0n3-C0lpsn: Yes, only if you use KDE ;)05:00
psnSt0n3-C0l: no always05:00
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Tm_Tbut I mean restricted/app memory use05:00
St0n3-C0lGNOME uses not that much memory05:00
Tm_TSt0n3-C0l: actually more05:00
Tm_T=)05:00
St0n3-C0lTm_T: I disagree :)05:01
Tm_TSt0n3-C0l: it depends your configuration05:01
psnTm_T: you don't get the correct numbers from top and such05:02
Tm_Tpsn: I don't watch it from top05:02
St0n3-C0lGNOME uses around 150-170mb whereas KDE uses 210-230mb05:02
Tm_TSt0n3-C0l: nope05:02
Tm_TSt0n3-C0l: my KDE uses ~11005:02
St0n3-C0lI used both in 1week 05:02
St0n3-C0lLoL maybe you tweaked it ...05:02
KaiLwhat do you count? RAM or Disk?05:02
Tm_TKaiL: RAM05:02
KaiLthen forget these Numbers, just forget them05:03
Tm_TSt0n3-C0l: ofcourse, default is never the best possible05:03
St0n3-C0llol05:03
Tm_T=)05:03
KaiLit's IDIOTIC to count a RAM usage for a desktop that way05:03
St0n3-C0lTm_T: LOL but I am not a tweaker eh...05:03
Tm_T=)05:03
Tm_TKaiL: why?05:03
KaiLyou can at most compare the RAM-usage as long as no app is running05:04
St0n3-C0lKaiL: hah05:04
St0n3-C0lWindows heats your system more than Linux :P05:04
KaiLand then both numbers are way to high05:04
Tm_Thm05:04
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KaiLhere: naked X 50MB, xfce 63MB, KDE 72MB05:04
Tm_Tyes05:05
Tm_Tbut KDE runs ok even in 64 RAM :p05:05
KaiLnot really, if your swap-device is slow05:05
Tm_Tyes, that's right05:06
KaiLand it IS slow, if you have such an old computer :)05:06
Tm_Theh05:07
Tm_Tp300/64ram and Knoppix was quite usable05:07
KaiLit also depends on the screen resolution as I can see05:08
Tm_Tyes05:09
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Tm_TKaiL: it's all about vpenis ;p05:18
Tm_Tthat's why there is always comparing05:18
Tm_Tactually there is a script available what check your hardware and tells your vpenis :p05:19
Tm_Tit's a good joke =)05:19
Tm_Twanna try it?05:19
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KaiLwith a K6-2/500, 256MiB RAM and a Matrox G550? :)05:22
StRhi every1!!05:22
Tm_TKaiL: yes, for fun05:23
KaiLok, or there's a bonus for totally outdated hardware *fg*05:23
StRI have a question:  What is that "Journal" thing in the kontact?05:23
Tm_TI'll check if I can find that script05:23
Tm_Twget -qO- linuxfi.org/vpenis.sh|sh05:24
Tm_Tok, I got only a 1/6 of what our main server did05:25
Tm_T:/05:25
KaiL18.7 isn't that much, I guess05:26
Tm_Tnope05:26
Tm_T61.5cm05:26
Tm_Tand even that's not much05:26
KaiLbah, no bc on 3dots.de..05:27
Tm_TI have AMD XP 2800+ (2088MHz) with 1GB ram and nv5700(256MB) and so on05:27
Tm_Tso you can guess what kinda machines got over 200cm :p05:28
KaiL80days, 2x 2.4GHz, 1GiB RAM...05:28
Tm_Thm, my other desktopbox got something 16005:29
Tm_Teh05:29
Tm_TI meant 4005:29
Tm_Tmaybe I need more coffee, can't even read right line =)05:30
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KaiLcpuclock/4, ram/305:30
KaiLuptime-days/10?05:30
Tm_Theh05:30
Tm_TI don't even have a day uptime =)05:30
KaiL1d 6h05:31
Tm_T10h05:31
Tm_T"you're a guru, over 6h uptime!!11 LOOOLLLL"05:32
Tm_T;p05:32
Tm_Tdon't care05:32
StRAny1 knows what that "Journal" in  kontact is for?05:32
jude[jude@bigbrain jude] $ uptime05:33
jude 16:33:04  up 148 days,  1:1905:33
judeStR: not a clue05:33
judebigbrain is my server upstairs05:34
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KaiLStR: hmm05:34
membreyaStR: journal is exactly what it says05:35
membreyalike a diary..to keep notes to yourself05:35
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StRhow do I set konsole so I see colors when I do "ls"05:51
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membreyawhat type of colours StR ?05:55
StRhow do I setup an encoding for konsole, so I don't have to set it up everytime I run konsole?05:55
membreyamine displays colours between different types05:55
StRmembreya: done that.. sorry...05:55
StRnow I need to set the default enconding for konsole05:56
Tm_Teh05:56
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imPULSIVhallo gr euch05:57
imPULSIVbin neu hier05:57
imPULSIVnow english05:57
Tm_Tok, so you're new in here05:58
Tm_Tcan you speak english?05:58
Tm_Tor at least write it?05:58
imPULSIVsi05:58
imPULSIV:)05:58
Tm_T'cause I have no idea what language was that05:58
malteguten tag05:58
Tm_T=)05:59
imPULSIVGerman05:59
imPULSIVdach auch05:59
Tm_Tso I thought05:59
imPULSIVright you were05:59
malteich spreche ein bisschen deutsch05:59
Tm_Tbisse = beer ;p05:59
imPULSIVgreat but where are you from then malte05:59
membreyaich bin ein arsche lecken Sie05:59
malteimPULSIV, i'm from sweden :)05:59
Tm_Tmalte: oh, sverige !06:00
imPULSIVsehr geil membreya#06:00
membreyawassat imPULSIV ?:P06:00
Tm_Tmalte: hello from east :)06:00
imPULSIVso the question for today (but maybe not the last is....06:00
malteTm_T :) i don't speak finnish though :\06:00
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imPULSIVhow do i get the icons for personal folder and so on to show on my desk?06:01
membreyamalte: let me put it in your native tongue...mumma mia..here we go again..my my ..06:01
Tm_Tmalte: and I speak swedish only a little bit =)06:01
maltemembreya, go abba :)06:01
membreya:D06:01
imPULSIVlovley membreya06:01
malteTm_T, cool :) i know "yxi kaxi kolme" though06:01
Tm_Tmalte: even after 6 years of studying it :p06:01
membreyait just reinforces the view of swedes being tall blonde n sexy :P06:02
malte:o06:02
Tm_Tmalte: it's yksi :p06:02
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Tm_Tmalte: you know perkele then?06:02
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malteTm_T, sry :) yeah, perkele i've heard before06:02
Tm_Thaha06:02
trougnoufgn?06:02
kayhi :)06:02
Tm_Tmalte: so what's the weather in there? still have some snow?06:03
imPULSIVi want the iconsfor personal folder and trash to show up on my desktop instead of startpanel06:03
imPULSIVhow does that work06:03
imPULSIVkiss keep it short and simple06:03
malteTm_T, it's mostly gone now, we've actually been having rather nice spring weather the last couple of weeks :)06:03
malteTm_T, how 'bout you/06:04
malte?*06:04
imPULSIVarent you using ubuntu with kde here?06:04
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Tm_Tsame here, but mostly snow still in here east, southern Finland is greener06:04
imPULSIVwtf y is everybody simply ignoring mykindly asked questions?06:05
malteTm_T, where do you live? i'm from stockholm06:05
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Fhigohow...06:05
imPULSIVdoes that work?06:06
imPULSIValready asked like that but it doesnt seem towork here06:06
Tm_Tmalte: I'm from Joensuu06:06
imPULSIVplz anyone here help06:06
Tm_TimPULSIV: hmm, what was your question again?06:06
FhigoHELP PLZ .. i downloaded kubuntu and i tried to install but everytime same error @ install he can't find a spezific package.. i don't know if its a problem with my cd-bruner.. or i dont know because i tried a few cds06:07
imPULSIVhow i got the trash to show on desktop06:07
malteTm_T, mkay :) don't know where that is i'm afraid06:07
Tm_Tmalte: farther east06:07
imPULSIVso Tm_T06:07
Tm_TimPULSIV: just right click on desktop, create new icon ...06:08
malteTm_T, ok, cool06:08
Fhigosame problem was at the ubuntu too06:08
judehow do I set up kubuntu so I can compile kde apps?06:08
Fhigobut just @ hoary06:08
Tm_Thmm06:09
Tm_Tjude: just install all needed devels and libs and compilers06:09
Fhigonobody knows my problem? *crys*06:09
judeTm_T: and they are?06:09
Fhigoi want kubuntu06:09
Tm_Tjude: it depends06:09
Tm_TFhigo: sounds strange06:10
imPULSIVso ill be gone for now06:10
maltejude, take a look at kde-devel06:10
imPULSIVthanks for helping so far06:10
Tm_TFhigo: you sure your image is ok?06:10
Fhigoit must be ok06:10
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Fhigobut how i told06:10
judethanks malte06:10
Fhigoit was at the usuall ubutu hoary also06:10
Fhigotoo06:10
Fhigoi burned it on my mac.. with toast.. could this be the problem?06:11
Tm_Tjude: install gcc, g++, c++ and qt related packages too06:11
Tm_TFhigo: you burned it from image?06:12
Fhigoyes06:12
Tm_Thmm06:12
Tm_Tdunno if it make any difference, but checj if the data protocol is correct06:13
Tm_Ttypo :/06:13
judeapt-get install kde-devel installs 119Mb worth - I'll see what's missing after that :)06:13
Tm_T=)06:13
Tm_Tnot much06:13
Fhigofuck off .. everything suckz06:13
Fhigohmm06:13
Fhigookay thanx for help06:13
Fhigolater :)06:13
Tm_T=)06:13
Tm_Tgood luck06:13
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jude "sudo apt-cache search qt-devel" returns nothing - anyone know the package name I need?06:17
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StRapt-cache search dev | grep qt06:18
StRlibqt3-dev06:18
judebrilliant, thanks StR 06:19
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judeThe following packages will be REMOVED:06:20
jude  kde-devel kdebase-dev kdelibs4-dev kdesdk kspy libarts1-dev libkonq4-dev06:20
jude  libqt3-mt-dev06:20
eckharthi06:20
judethe qt install removed kde-devel!06:20
judebummer06:20
Tm_Tah06:20
eckharti have some partitions on an s-ata hard disc drive06:21
Tm_Tso dont install it06:21
judetoo late :)06:21
eckhartthe root partition is ide06:21
Tm_Tjude: err06:21
judeindeed :)06:21
Tm_Tjude: don't say you installed it?06:21
StRjude: install them again06:21
judeindeed I did06:21
Tm_Thaha06:21
eckhartnow on booting, kubuntu does not find the s-ata partitions of the fstab06:21
judeThe following packages will be REMOVED:06:21
jude  libqt3-dev06:21
Tm_Tjude: so install kde-dev again06:21
Tm_Tyes!06:21
judelooks like I can't have both for some odd reason06:22
Tm_T'cause it seems to be included in kde-dev06:22
Tm_Tso you don't need it as separate package06:22
psnjude: jude you need libqt3-mt-devel which was already installed06:22
judechecking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!06:22
judethats after reinstalling kde-dev06:23
Tm_Tjude: I got same problem, dunno why06:23
Tm_Tjude: you compiling boton?06:23
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Tm_T+are06:23
judeno, knetmonapplet06:23
judefirst try at a compile on here06:24
membreyajude: sudo apt-get install qt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers06:24
jude$ sudo apt-get install qt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers06:24
judeReading package lists... Done06:24
judeBuilding dependency tree... Done06:24
judeE: Couldn't find package qt3-mt-dev06:24
membreyasorry libqt3-mt-dev :P06:25
membreyait's 2.30 am here :P06:25
judehehe06:25
judelibqt3-mt-dev is already the newest version.06:25
judelibqt3-headers is already the newest version.06:25
judepath problems maybe?06:25
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membreyahmmm06:26
membreyaim getting the same errors :|06:28
judeI was just getting to like kubuntu as well :/06:29
judebut if I can only have stuff that pre-packaged...06:30
zackamu: please stop ignoring me and answer my mail. if you need me to resend it, i will. 06:30
StRjude: what are you trying to compile?06:30
judeknetmonapplet06:30
judehttp://hftom.club.fr/knetmonapplet/index.html06:30
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StRjude: ./configure worked?06:32
judeno, error: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!06:33
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judeI get the same error trying to compile a different app06:37
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StRjude: I get the same as you trying to compile that applet...06:37
StRjude: don't know about other....06:37
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judeI'll have to see about checking the qt install I suppose06:38
judebut it's time to go cook dinner - I'll see you all later06:38
judeta for the help06:38
amuzack: sorry for it, i didnt found time for it. Well if you're here we can talk also in realtime. That's fine for you?   06:42
membreyacome back jude!06:52
StRmembreya: LOL!06:55
StRmembreya: did you find how to fix it?06:55
membreyayup06:55
StRmembreya: how?06:56
membreyaexport QTDIR=/usr/share/qt306:56
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maltedoes anyone know if kdevelop will be added to kubuntu?06:59
maltei mean, latest (3.2 iirc)06:59
StRmembreya: I tried... it "worked"  I can compile it, but...07:03
StRmembreya: I tried   ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local   just to try it... 07:03
StRand I don't see anything07:03
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AlfonsVHHi guys; I've got a problem... For everyone who was here yesterday; I tried to enable DHCP in the Linux box AND in the Win2k box, but when I go to Network Settings on the linux box, it always says that the eth0 device is disabled. When I enable it and go back to control center to check the status, it's disabled again. How does this come?07:37
AlfonsVHany idea, uniq, since you seem to know something about win2k07:41
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alexhow do i install mplayer?07:44
malteadd "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get install mplayer07:47
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VorikAlfonsVH: Try to do ifup eth0'07:51
Vorikas root07:51
Vorikthen you get an error message07:51
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kkathmandoes anyone use the cynapses monitor on their desktop?07:52
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: what makes you think thats a w2k problem?07:52
AlfonsVHVorik, it says "ethernet device already configured"07:52
Vorikok, then try first: "ifdown eth0"07:52
Vorikthen "ifup eth0"07:53
AlfonsVH_ReDrum_, I'm not sure, I just thought07:53
Vorikbeware:07:53
Vorikyou will lose your network connection for a moment07:53
Vorikquestion: Your w2k box works well with dhcp?07:54
AlfonsVHVorik; to be honest, I don't know; it's configured to have DHCP enabled; haven't tried it07:54
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Vorikdo you have a dhcp server fully operational then?07:54
AlfonsVHhaven't got a clue (I'm a newbie in networking AND linux, see); how to test it?07:55
Vorikwell, if you don't know, you probably dont have it...07:55
AlfonsVHI have configured it, Vorik07:55
AlfonsVHbut I don't know if it works ok07:55
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Vorikoh ok07:55
_ReDRuM_grep ^IPADDR /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.info07:55
_ReDRuM_that should tell you...07:56
AlfonsVHby the way; vorik; the box does not receive a DHCP responce07:56
Vorikok, then it isnt working07:56
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: what is the dhcp server?07:56
AlfonsVH_redrum_, do you mean the IP address?07:56
Vorikwhich computer?07:56
AlfonsVHWin 2k07:56
_ReDRuM_talk about go about things backward :P07:57
Vorikok, then check if the service is running07:57
AlfonsVHI use a LAN connection and a USB ADSL connection07:57
AlfonsVHyes it is running07:57
Vorikok.. is it a w2k server?07:57
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AlfonsVHeuh... Just win2k professional connected with a LAN cable to the linux box07:57
Vorikcrosslink? of via een hub07:58
StRanyone else getting problems displaying  chars like:     in kde?07:58
AlfonsVHcrosslink07:58
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: do you mind if you lose your linux network connection a second?07:58
AlfonsVHnope07:58
VorikStR: None at all07:58
_ReDRuM_killall dhclient3 && dhclient3 -d07:58
AlfonsVHok07:58
_ReDRuM_should display helpful debug message07:58
_ReDRuM_hey07:59
_ReDRuM_this channels grown by a third since i started coming in here07:59
_ReDRuM_that was fast07:59
StRVorik: I have this problem, but when I set encoding to western-europena..... i can see it..07:59
StRVorik: but not with the "default"07:59
StRVorik: how can I set the default encoding?07:59
VorikStR: Just a moment08:00
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: get your debug messages?08:00
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tibalhi !08:00
tibalnew to kubuntu, just installed it :)08:01
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tibalit rox ! good job08:01
AlfonsVH_redrum_, it says "Sit0 unknown hardware address type 776 and than some copyright stuff and then DHCPDISCOVER on 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval xx  .... no DHCPOFFERS received ... no working leases blahblahblah ... sleeping"08:01
VorikDid you try Settings://Accessibility/ and then (translating from dutch) Country/Region and language --> Country?08:01
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: sure your windows box isnt firewalled with zonealarm or some similar program?08:01
tibalHow can i set auto loggin ?08:01
VorikI think its that08:01
_ReDRuM_hmm that sit0 stuff.......08:01
_ReDRuM_what kind of ethernet card is that?08:02
AlfonsVHVorik; I'm flemish so I speak Dutch :p08:02
AlfonsVHnope, _redrum_, not firewalled08:02
Vorik:)08:02
_ReDRuM_is it a wifi card08:02
_ReDRuM_?08:02
AlfonsVHthe sit0 wasn't there a couple of minutes ag08:02
VorikAlfonsVH: You did configure a scope and such things?08:02
AlfonsVHno wifi card; just a PCI ethernet card on the linux box (3com 10/100) and a pnp card on the 2k08:02
AlfonsVHVorik: how do you mean, scope?08:03
_ReDRuM_is it a laptop?08:03
AlfonsVHno08:03
VorikAlfonsVH: You can use the "configuratiescherm" -> Systeembeheer -> DHCP (i think) to check if the service is up and configure scopes.08:03
Vorikthe range of ipadresses08:03
AlfonsVHIt's a compaq EP/SB series (pentium III)08:03
AlfonsVHno don't think so, Vorik.08:03
AlfonsVHdon't know how, to be hones08:04
AlfonsVHt08:04
Vorikthen that's the problem. 08:04
VorikDid you find the DHCP icon?08:04
tibalHey, I see you speak about NIC.. I cant change any settings in KDE control panel for network. I type my password but everything it grey and not modifiable !08:04
AlfonsVHI'll go and see; wait a minute08:04
Voriktibal: is there an 'admin mode' button on the bottom?08:05
tibalOn a fresh install I'm a bit disapointed08:05
_ReDRuM_heh08:05
_ReDRuM_no scope08:05
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AlfonsVHno dhcp icon in 'system configuration', Vorik, but in 'Network blahblah' it is enabled08:05
_ReDRuM_lol08:05
AlfonsVHdon't laugh at me ;)08:05
Voriktibal: if you install webmin (first change your root password) you can easily configure stuff08:05
tibalVorik: of course, I must rezise the window to see it but after typing the pass, options are not unlocked ! and it doesn't write that it's false08:06
Vorikis there a dhcp server installed on the w2k box then?08:06
tibalVorik: webmin on a laptop :( :( :(08:06
_ReDRuM_2k3 comes with one cant remember if 2k does more than likely08:06
_ReDRuM_webmin fullstop yuucky08:06
Voriklol08:06
AlfonsVHeuhm... DHCP is only enabled in the network settings, nothing more. KaiL and uniq told me yesterday to enable it and they assumed it should work08:07
tibalVorik: have you this bug ?08:07
tibalVorik: it is also for other section in the panel, I can't do nothing08:07
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: that tells your win2k to be a dhcp client if you just enable it in the network settings of the adapter...08:07
VorikWell, that is not going to work.. You need to install a dhcp server. But a lot - and i mean A LOT - easier would be if you configured the networkcards manually08:07
Voriktibal: i'll try08:07
_ReDRuM_it will be easier to do it manually alfons for sure :)08:08
AlfonsVHand how to do that08:08
_ReDRuM_just specify an ip number on windows08:08
_ReDRuM_say 192.168.50.108:08
_ReDRuM_with a netmask of 255.255.255.008:08
_ReDRuM_where you told it to "obtain ip address automatically" before08:08
AlfonsVHI did that before, and i runned the program Proxy (by analogX) and specified the proxy settings in Linux, and that worked for konqueror, but not for apt-get and stuff. Yes, it's obtained manually now, but when I used the proxy it wasn't08:09
Voriktibal: which applet is it?08:09
tibalNetwork Settings08:09
_ReDRuM_oh i see you want to share your whole internet with the linux 08:09
AlfonsVHindeed08:09
Vorikyes, i've got it too08:10
_ReDRuM_... is there any pressing reason you cant use your dsl on the linux ?08:10
_ReDRuM_and share with the windows08:10
_ReDRuM_?08:10
Vorikbut webmin should work08:10
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tibalVorik: here settings:/Network/ and after the icon named "Network Settings"08:10
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tibalVorik: ok but I will never install it08:10
Vorik:)08:10
AlfonsVHdunno; _redrum_; but it's a USB modem and I'd like to keep it connected to the 2k box08:11
_ReDRuM_... then i think windows 2000 included RAS services and you should be able to share your internet with that08:11
Vorik_redrum_: also for linux?08:11
_ReDRuM_of course its just a DHCP server with NAT08:11
AlfonsVHwhere can I find the files to configure it?08:11
Vorikyeah, that's right!08:12
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: this isnt a windows help channel :P08:12
_ReDRuM_you need a windows help channel for that08:12
Vorikwait: isnt that only for win xp?08:12
_ReDRuM_i cant remember off hand and proprietary software sucks :)08:12
AlfonsVHhaha but I when I post it there, then they'd be complaining that I'm talking 'bout Linux. 08:12
_ReDRuM_Vorik: you are thinking of internet connection sharing08:12
_ReDRuM_9x does that too, im nto sure if 2k does - probably not08:12
Vorikyeah08:13
_ReDRuM_2k is more likely to do RAS services08:13
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: dont tell them08:13
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: dont mention linux08:13
AlfonsVHwhen I look to the internet settings properties, it is able to share it and it's enabled08:13
Vorik:)08:13
AlfonsVH_redrum_, I won't ;)08:13
_ReDRuM_just say that it needs to be for an old computer without internet connection sharing08:13
AlfonsVHdo you know any good win channel?08:13
Vorikhaha, not all windows people are allergic to linux08:13
_ReDRuM_not on this network08:13
Voriki am an MCSE :)08:14
AlfonsVHoh08:14
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: its not that hard (tho its easier on linux) google for something like +"windows 2000 NAT"08:14
_ReDRuM_NAT is the technology you want08:14
Vorikif the w2k box acts as a router, it will be fine too08:14
AlfonsVHbut I did share the connection on the 2k box; only I don't know how to configure linux etc... by the way; wat's NAT?08:14
_ReDRuM_network address translation08:14
Vorikwell08:14
Vorikno, not true08:15
Vorikthat it can act as a router and all is fine i mean08:15
_ReDRuM_NAT isn't network address translation? sure it is.08:15
Vorikyou really need nat08:15
_ReDRuM_your an MCSE vorik!!!08:15
Vorikyeah, i know :)08:15
_ReDRuM_you should know how to do NAT on 2k :)08:15
Vorikthat it can act as a router and all is fine i mean08:15
Vorikmy own remark wasnt true :)08:16
_ReDRuM_oh right08:16
_ReDRuM_heh08:16
Vorikhah08:16
Vorik:)08:16
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gsuvegre08:16
gsuveganybody know a pw generator for kde ?08:16
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: google for windows 2000 nat, windows 2k nat08:16
membreyait's ok Vorik, you're an MCSE :P08:16
_ReDRuM_or put the dsl on linux08:16
_ReDRuM_and we will help you do it that way08:16
_ReDRuM_your cool :)08:16
_ReDRuM_s/cool/call/08:17
Vorikan usb dsl on linux?08:17
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_ReDRuM_Vorik: i ran a USB dsl on linux....08:17
AlfonsVHnono usb dsl on win2k08:17
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_ReDRuM_since 200108:17
AlfonsVHyes, but I want to keep it running on 2k08:17
Vorikhaha08:17
AlfonsVHby the way; NAT is only included in server edition and I don't find a download for it08:17
Vorikok08:17
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_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: then you need to get your wallet out :)08:18
_ReDRuM_or stop using crappy proprietry software08:18
edgarhi08:18
AlfonsVHhmmmm I'm not really willing to :p08:18
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_ReDRuM_then you are screwed.08:18
AlfonsVHshit08:18
Vorikperhaps there is third party software that gives you NAT on w2k pro08:18
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_ReDRuM_Vorik: i know of several, none are free08:19
AlfonsVHand what if I use vncserver or something08:19
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: wont let you go on the internet08:19
AlfonsVHor VPN08:19
_ReDRuM_again nope08:19
Vorikyou can configure your w2k as a proxy.08:19
_ReDRuM_Vorik: he tried that but it was only good for HTTP traffic not many of his other programs08:19
AlfonsVHindeed08:19
_ReDRuM_suppose you could use socks or some other equally yucky solution08:20
Vorikhmm08:20
AlfonsVHftp traffic too, but the apt-get didn't work etc...08:20
_ReDRuM_there might be a free socks server for windows08:20
_ReDRuM_thats a headache tho sockisfying all your linux apps, if your not comfortable using a usb dsl with linux ud hate that08:20
AlfonsVHdon't talk about it then ;)08:20
_ReDRuM_nope sorry, wallet, linux, proxy and live without automated app's, or screwed.08:21
Vorikthen format your w2k box and install kubuntu ;)08:21
AlfonsVHhaha no my family won't let me08:21
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Vorikjust make them!08:21
AlfonsVHbut can't I configure the apt-get and stuff to use the proxy?08:21
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: probably :)08:21
AlfonsVHbut how, how, how, how!!08:21
_ReDRuM_type man apt-get , press the / key and then type roxy and press enter08:21
_ReDRuM_thats the first place to looks08:22
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Vorikinstall synaptic08:22
_ReDRuM_synaptic does built in proxy?08:22
Vorikthere you can configure it easily08:22
_ReDRuM_maybe kpackage does too08:22
Vorikwell, it probably instructs apt-get to use a proxy :)08:22
_ReDRuM_wow a feature that synaptic has and kpackage doesnt08:23
_ReDRuM_easy configuration of apt proxy settings.08:23
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AlfonsVHnothing 'bout proxy in the manual as far as I see08:23
_ReDRuM_noticed it using 350mb of ram earlier08:23
AlfonsVHis it possible to install Synaptic on kubuntu without installing millions of stupid libs and stuff?08:24
_ReDRuM_check synaptic does do easy proxy config first vorik08:24
Vorik?08:24
_ReDRuM_Vorik: you sure synaptic has a nice "enter proxy here" button?08:24
AlfonsVHto be honest, I don't like kynaptic08:25
_ReDRuM_http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/06/msg00579.html08:25
_ReDRuM_kynaptic is gay08:25
_ReDRuM_i use kpackage08:25
Vorikthe first thing i do is install synaptic :)08:25
_ReDRuM_that was the second hit on google08:25
_ReDRuM_tells you where to set proxy for apt08:25
_ReDRuM_Vorik: tried kpackage?08:25
AlfonsVHnope08:25
_ReDRuM_apart from being a ram whore it owns synaptic08:26
Vorikno, just installed it.. 08:26
_ReDRuM_alfonsvh: edit the file ~/.bash_profile08:26
_ReDRuM_where ~/ is your homedir (typing that should do it automatically)08:26
Vorikcan i use rpm repositories with kpackage08:26
_ReDRuM_add to the file08:26
Vorik?08:26
AlfonsVHand there type in the proxy settings as in the url or what?08:27
_ReDRuM_export ftp_proxy=ftp://your-ftp-proxy08:27
AlfonsVHI'll try08:27
_ReDRuM_and the same for http_proxy08:27
_ReDRuM_then08:27
membreyaooo I like kpackage :)08:27
_ReDRuM_you will need to either - restart or in the console window type source ~/.bash_profile08:28
_ReDRuM_and then run apt-get/kynaptic/kpackage/whatever from a console you have typed that source command in until you reboot08:28
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: sorry08:28
_ReDRuM_minor error08:28
_ReDRuM_put it in ~/.profile08:28
AlfonsVHok08:28
_ReDRuM_not in ~/.bash_profile08:28
_ReDRuM_or kde will ignore it08:29
_ReDRuM_kde should read ~/.profile iirc08:29
Vorikcan i use any rpm repositories with kpackage? WIll they function as well as debian ones?08:29
_ReDRuM_where is debians rc.local file08:29
_ReDRuM_that would be a better place for this surely08:30
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AlfonsVHhm I'll search for it08:30
AlfonsVHbut I then have to configure my IP address on the 2k box manually and then run the Proxy program eh?08:30
_ReDRuM_Vorik: rpms are build for redhat unless theyre compiled statically the wont work at all08:30
zackamu: i'm actually studying for finaly exams right now; if you want to talk on irc about it i'll have to get back to you later...08:30
_ReDRuM_hey some of them will08:30
_ReDRuM_its hit and miss08:30
_ReDRuM_Vorik: grab one and install it with alien08:31
_ReDRuM_then you will know08:31
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Vorikok08:31
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: yes08:31
AlfonsVHok I'm going to reboot my linux box and try it all out08:31
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: if you want it automated you have to pay up or use linux08:32
_ReDRuM_:)08:32
amuzack: no prob, i'm here the 4-5h 08:32
AlfonsVHbut I do have to DISABLE DHCP on linux eh?08:32
_ReDRuM_yeh08:32
AlfonsVHk08:32
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_ReDRuM_if you had windows xp you could do it i dont think 2k has internet connection sharing tho08:32
AlfonsVHyes it has...08:32
_ReDRuM_oh08:32
_ReDRuM_well - you can use that08:33
_ReDRuM_thats a dhcp/nat server08:33
AlfonsVHyes but it doesn't seem to work08:33
_ReDRuM_it should do08:33
AlfonsVHit doesn't08:33
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_ReDRuM_my sister uses it with a playstation08:33
Vorikthat's silly08:33
AlfonsVHbut a playstation doesn't run linux, does it ;)08:33
_ReDRuM_its a fully upnp cliant dhcp/nat server08:33
_ReDRuM_linux is a standard dhcp client08:33
Vorik;if i install Mythtv with kpackage, it wants to install lots more then when I install it with synaptic08:33
_ReDRuM_or rather dhclient is08:33
Vorikey, i'm off now... I'll talk to you later.. (Will be coming here regularly)08:34
_ReDRuM_it doesnt matter what the client is if it talks dhcp or shouldnt do - there must be a problem somewhere.08:34
_ReDRuM_you can use on linux tcpdump -xnnvi eth008:34
_ReDRuM_and watch it to see if it does communicate with the windows machine to do dhcp08:34
_ReDRuM_or just stick with proxy :)08:34
AlfonsVHstrange thing is that when i enable DHCP on the linux box, it keeps saying that eth0 is disabled; and when I enable it , it get's disabled again08:35
_tek your problem with internet connection sharing is more likely that you are not setting it up correctly, i have set that up to share connections with windows and linux several times in the distant past08:35
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: this is AFTER you ran dhcp right?08:35
_tekwith win2K and xp08:35
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_ReDRuM_cause thats normal if it cant get an IP from dhcp then it will leave the adaptor disabled08:35
_ReDRuM__tek: yeh i know like i said my sister use a windows machine to share with her playstation08:36
_ReDRuM_see alfons :)08:36
_ReDRuM_two of us say its perfectly workable to do that...08:36
_tekjust need to setup the second adapter in the win2k box with an ip of 192.168.0.1 or it will not work08:36
_ReDRuM__tek: doesnt the wizzard do that automatically?08:37
_ReDRuM_or does 2k not have the wizzard?08:37
Tm_Thullo08:37
_tekwhen it works yes but i have done it many times where it did not work and i had to manually do it08:37
_ReDRuM_lol08:37
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: there u go - _tek seems to remember more about windows sharing than im sure he wants to08:37
Tm_Twizzard? you mean wizard?08:37
_ReDRuM_should be able to get it working after all :)08:38
_tekwindows wizards are retarded basically08:38
Tm_T=)08:38
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Tm_Twindows is retarded08:38
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Tm_Thi _ReDRuM_ 08:38
_tekyeah, but as long as it keeps breaking and getting infected i keep making bank08:38
AlfonsVH_redrum_, it is after I ran dhcp yes08:38
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: thats normal08:38
_ReDRuM_windows does the same thing08:39
_ReDRuM_or almost08:39
_ReDRuM_widnows assigns it a random IP address08:39
_ReDRuM_linux switches it off08:39
kkathmanTm_T: well now windows isnt retarded, just a slow learner :)08:39
AlfonsVHand how to avoid that, _redrum_?08:39
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: make it work right :)08:39
_tekis more brain dead than that woman they just took off of life support08:40
_tekwindows that is08:40
_ReDRuM_the problem im almost 100% certain u will find is something to do with your windows config - like _tek says if windows 2000 doesnt have a static IP it wont work with internet connection sharing08:40
AlfonsVH but when I assign a static IP, the DHCP isn't enabled!08:40
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: thats right...08:40
_ReDRuM_thats what you want08:40
AlfonsVHindeed08:40
_ReDRuM_that setting is for DHCP *client*08:40
kkathman_tek:  well when you are practically the whole game in town, you can do what you want, unfortunately :(08:41
_ReDRuM_nto DHCP server08:41
_tekno, it can have a dynamic connection to the internet and it will still work, the second internal LAN interface MUST have an ip of 192.168.0.1 or nothing will work08:41
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_ReDRuM_i didnt explain it too well08:41
_tekhave run into this enough times to make me sick08:41
AlfonsVHso the lan which is connected to linux has to have that IP, shared internet connection and then I have to enable DHCP in linux and assign a static IP in linux and then it should work or what?08:41
_ReDRuM__tek: lol08:41
_tekso much easier to share a linux connection than a windows connection08:42
_ReDRuM_i know08:42
_ReDRuM_windows is a dodgy piece of junk but oh well08:42
_ReDRuM_:P08:42
kkathman_tek:  but my internal LAN doesnt have that address08:42
_ReDRuM_kkathman: does it matter08:42
_ReDRuM_so long as he sets it static08:42
_ReDRuM_dont confuse the issue08:42
_ReDRuM_:P08:42
_teksetup the linux box with 192.168.0.1 as its gateway and dns give it a static ip unless its a laptop and its gonna be on other networks08:42
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: set your LAN ip to 192.168.0.1 on windows machine08:43
_ReDRuM__tek: surely dhcp should do that automatically?08:43
AlfonsVHk08:43
_tekyeah but you could be left troubleshooting dhcp server issues. why bother?08:43
AlfonsVHand which IP should the linux box have? none I assume; since I have to enable DHCP there?08:44
_tekis it a laptop or a desktop machine?08:44
_ReDRuM_cause kubuntus is set to dhcp automatic so he shouldnt need to configure *anything* that way :) but yeh i see your point if hes messed with it too much08:44
AlfonsVHdesktop08:44
_tekthen why bother futzing with one more setting that might be wrong? set it up manually08:45
AlfonsVHwhich subnetmask and gateway stuff should I give the LAN in the 2k box?08:45
AlfonsVHand DNS08:45
_ReDRuM_subnetmask 255.255.255.008:45
_ReDRuM_gateway and DNS leave blank08:45
AlfonsVHok08:45
AlfonsVHand then enable DHCP in linux08:45
_ReDRuM_you can try that... or you can follow teks howto :)08:45
_tekyour only setting up dns and gateway for the outside connection on the windows box08:46
AlfonsVHand disable proxy?08:46
AlfonsVHI know08:46
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: irrelevent... (yes)08:46
_tekk08:46
AlfonsVHok08:46
_ReDRuM_one less thing to break windows08:46
AlfonsVHindeed08:46
_ReDRuM_anyone used that typing speed thing on kubuntu? :)08:48
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_ReDRuM_i cant remember if i had it on gentoo or kubuntu and ive lost it08:48
Tm_Terr, typing speed thing?08:49
_ReDRuM_some typing tutor08:49
Tm_Tok08:49
_ReDRuM_fun to screw around with08:49
Tm_TIt's in kde08:49
AlfonsVHguys; the ethernet device stays enabled, but I still don't have internet connection on the linux box08:49
_teknope, but on debian yes, said i type almost 80 words a minute, 60 in one direction and 20 in reverse08:49
membreyalol _tek :P08:49
Tm_T_ReDRuM_: you mean Ktouch?08:50
_ReDRuM_Tm_T: probably :)08:50
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_tekdid you run the ICS program AlfonsVH08:50
Tm_Tok, kde-edu08:50
AlfonsVHsorry; I DO have connection!! I forgot to disable the proxy on 2k08:50
AlfonsVHgreat!!!08:50
Tm_T=)08:50
AlfonsVHIt works!!08:50
AlfonsVHthanks very very much guys08:50
_ReDRuM_np08:50
AlfonsVHok I'm going to test it out; see you!!08:51
_tekagain proving windows is break dead and the wizards are all on acid08:51
AlfonsVHindeed08:51
AlfonsVHhaha08:51
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_teks/break/brain/08:51
_ReDRuM_s/windows/lame-os/08:51
Tm_T=)08:51
_ReDRuM_k i dont have ktouch installed08:52
_ReDRuM_oh well08:52
_ReDRuM_its a pointless toy08:52
_ReDRuM_:P08:52
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Tm_T_ReDRuM_: it's in kde-edu as I said08:52
_ReDRuM_Tm_T: i thought u said it was part of kde08:52
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Tm_T=)08:52
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Tm_Tsorry if I mislead08:53
_ReDRuM_np doesnt matter i dont even understands the numbers08:53
Tm_T21:49 < Tm_T> uh, Kingston Wall & absinthe, well now I'm wasted08:53
_ReDRuM_it says i type at like 440 which is obviously not words per minute08:53
_ReDRuM_so i dunno wtf it even measures in08:53
Tm_Tso my attention is in music08:53
_ReDRuM_absinthe!08:53
_ReDRuM_evil08:53
Tm_Tyes08:53
Tm_Tand whiskey08:54
Tm_Tjust for medicine08:54
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Tm_Tuh08:54
Tm_Twhat makes absinthe evil?08:54
_ReDRuM_the wormwood?08:54
Tm_Tnaeh08:55
Tm_Tcause what I got don't have it much08:55
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Tm_Tno yet08:55
_ReDRuM_it's ok if you don't make a habit of it08:56
Tm_Tbut even it's not that evil as long as you don't use it too much08:56
_ReDRuM_treat it like cocaine not beer08:56
Tm_Tyes08:56
Tm_Tactually I don't even drink a beer08:56
Tm_Tnot often08:56
Tm_Tand no, I'm not gonna get drunk08:56
Tm_Tjust wan't my thorat opened08:57
Tm_Tthroat I mean08:57
_tek<-- got totally rippered up last night... YUM... good beer08:57
_ReDRuM_who'd wanna open your throat?08:57
Tm_T_ReDRuM_: I mean, alcohol cleans my throat, can breath easier08:57
_ReDRuM__tek: mmm08:57
_ReDRuM_Tm_T: clears my head :)08:58
Tm_T=)08:58
_tekworking on windows systems causes me to drink08:58
_ReDRuM_in small doeses.08:58
_tekalcohol clears out my schedule08:58
_ReDRuM__tek: hehe08:58
Tm_T_tek: uh, I understand =)08:58
_ReDRuM_alcohol clears out my morals, my sensibilities, my pants and my lunch08:59
_ReDRuM_usually in that order08:59
_tekrecovering data from two infested windows machines right now using knoppix and reinstalling windows on them08:59
_tekLOL redrum08:59
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_tekyou forgot your wallet08:59
_ReDRuM__tek: of course i did, i've been drinking.08:59
_ReDRuM_:)08:59
_tekwell cheers, its to early for me besides still got a little left in my blood im sure09:00
_ReDRuM_8pm here09:00
_ReDRuM_im supposed to be finishing this toaster script tho09:00
_ReDRuM_not drinking09:00
_tekhigh noon here09:00
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phxguyanyone  use kopete in here?09:01
_tekhave to go setup a new machine for a new customer in a bit, just trying to get these two windows systems started on their install now. 09:02
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: what now? :)09:02
AlfonsVHdoesn't work anymore guys; It worked for a couple of seconds and right now it gives a timeout09:02
_teknope, use gaim, much faster09:02
AlfonsVHtimeout on server www.google.com at port 80; says konqueror09:02
phxguygaim doesn let you set your status to invisible though09:02
_tekrun a traceroute on the linux box09:02
AlfonsVHtalking to me, _tek?09:03
_ReDRuM_yeh i use kopete09:03
_tekyes09:03
_ReDRuM_its a bit flakey09:03
AlfonsVHok09:03
_tektraceroute yahoo.com09:03
_teki like the look of kopete but its slooow and a bit crashhappy for my taste09:03
AlfonsVH"command not found"09:03
_tekapt-get install traceroute09:03
_ReDRuM_he cant09:04
_ReDRuM_his internet is broken :)09:04
_tekmight want to add tcpdump and whois09:04
AlfonsVHpackage is missing and indeed; inet is broken09:04
_ReDRuM_jwhos better than normal whois09:04
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: type09:04
_ReDRuM_ifconfig eth009:04
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AlfonsVHok09:04
_ReDRuM_whats the ip?09:04
_tekalso run route -n after you know your IP09:05
_ReDRuM__tek: same here if kopete worked better it would be sweet but its another buggy KDE ram whore probably written in python09:05
AlfonsVHip is 192.168.0.8709:05
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: ping 192.168.0.109:05
AlfonsVHok09:05
phxguyAnybody know what the reason was to have kubuntu not use HIMEM by default?09:05
AlfonsVHping works09:06
_ReDRuM_ping AlfonsVH: killall dhclient3 ; ifconfig eth009:06
_ReDRuM_er09:06
_ReDRuM_ping 66.102.9.9909:06
_ReDRuM_dont type09:06
_ReDRuM_that other thing09:06
_ReDRuM_:)09:06
AlfonsVHok09:06
AlfonsVHnot much response from the 66.102.909:07
_ReDRuM_any response?09:07
_ReDRuM_does it get any packets trough?09:07
_ReDRuM_press ctrl+c to stop it09:07
_ReDRuM_it will give you a summary09:07
AlfonsVHno no packets09:07
_ReDRuM_windows isnt routing for whatever reason then09:07
_ReDRuM_check windows firewall/proxy/etc config09:07
AlfonsVHno proxy enabled; no firewall either09:07
_ReDRuM_... its a windows problem...09:08
AlfonsVHisn't it allways09:08
_ReDRuM_its allocated a dhcp ip fine, you can ping the gateway09:08
_ReDRuM_ok09:08
_ReDRuM_one thing to check09:08
AlfonsVHwhich is...09:08
_tekhow long is your cable between the two systems? 314 foot is the limit.... hey i have seen it happen09:08
_ReDRuM_route -n09:08
AlfonsVHabout 10 metres09:08
_ReDRuM_type that in linux09:08
_tekk09:09
_ReDRuM__tek: connections fine09:09
_ReDRuM_its a windows problem either not correctly allocating gateway via dhcp or (more likely) not routing traffic09:09
AlfonsVHupper IP is 192.168.0.0 lower IP is 0.0.0.009:09
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_ReDRuM_and the gateway of lower is 192.168.0.1 ?09:10
_ReDRuM_(second column)09:10
_tekonly other thing i would check and i don't remember how kubuntu does it/ check the /etc/nsswitch.conf file look for hosts and  dns should be listed first09:10
_ReDRuM__tek: he cant ping09:10
AlfonsVHyes gateway is ok09:10
_tekroute add default gw 192.168.0.109:10
_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: dont do that09:10
AlfonsVHhaha09:10
_ReDRuM__tek: its fine09:10
_ReDRuM_its already listed09:10
_ReDRuM_hey u can do it i guess09:11
_ReDRuM_might annoy dhcp is all and dhcp is NOT your problem09:11
_ReDRuM_windows not routing traffic is.09:11
AlfonsVHindeed09:11
AlfonsVHbut how to fix it;....09:11
_ReDRuM_turn off your windows firewall :)09:11
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_ReDRuM_its something wrong with the windows box09:12
AlfonsVHhaven't got a firewall09:12
AlfonsVHunsecure, I know09:12
_ReDRuM_i dont know what to suggest cause yur linux client has done everything ti has to09:13
AlfonsVHyes09:13
AlfonsVHmaybe I should restart windows and see what happens?09:13
_ReDRuM_and i 've forgotten most about how to setup windows internet connections sharings long long ago (i.e what boxes to click on)09:13
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_ReDRuM_rebooting it is a fine idea.09:13
StRhi there...09:13
StRanyone has installed this: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt09:13
_ReDRuM_StR: its in universe09:14
AlfonsVHok then I'll do that; if it work's you won't hear from me again on this channel today ;) otherwise you will09:14
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_ReDRuM_AlfonsVH: ok :)09:14
AlfonsVHok guys... rebooting09:14
_ReDRuM_StR: only downside of it is that if it crashes cause one of your GTK apps fucks up it kills all of them09:14
_tekusing windows to do routing is like using an arsonist to clean your house09:15
_ReDRuM_bit annoying when gaim dies and brings azureus and your 40 firefox tabs down with it09:15
_ReDRuM_lol09:15
_tekall clean now!09:15
_ReDRuM_hey dude... wheres my house?09:15
_tekdude, your house is smokin!09:16
_ReDRuM_what?!? so's your mumma, check out thaat asssssss09:16
membreya_ReDRuM_: learn your lesson..don't use gaim and for god's sake don't use firefox :P09:16
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membreyakonqueror 0wns me bad09:17
_ReDRuM_konquerer always does stupid crap on my system recently09:17
_ReDRuM_like continuously using tabs when i explictitly say open a new window09:17
membreya_ReDRuM_: user error: replace user09:17
_teki totally like konqueror for web browsing but with kubuntu it keeps crashing out on me, no issues with gaim though09:17
_ReDRuM_yeh so you say09:17
_ReDRuM_but you dont know what the error is do you09:17
_ReDRuM_neither does anyone in #kde09:17
membreya:P just razzin ya _ReDRuM_ :)09:17
StR_ReDRuM_: but it works?09:17
_ReDRuM_StR: yeh it works fine.09:17
StR_ReDRuM_: have you installed with .deb? with apt-get? or run the autopackage?09:18
bhnawhy depends kdesu on root?09:18
_ReDRuM_membreya: besides, OS shouldnt be web browser...09:18
_tek<membreya> _ReDRuM those are called pebkac errors09:18
_ReDRuM_dont these guys learn anything from windows09:18
_tekproblem exists between keyboard and chair09:18
membreya_ReDRuM_: it makes me feel warm and fuzzy and all redmond'ish :D09:18
_ReDRuM_i suppose its not as bad09:18
_ReDRuM_since ppl arent logged in as admin generally09:18
_tekmy fav is the ID-10T error09:19
_ReDRuM_but still , one more thing to go wrong, OS should KISS09:19
membreya_ReDRuM_: yes but as opposed to IE ..konqueror is somewhat powerful :)09:19
_ReDRuM__tek: yeh ... no.09:19
_ReDRuM_membreya: and slow... ram hungry...09:19
membreyaslow? :|09:19
membreyawhat sort of system are you running09:20
_ReDRuM_an athlong 2800+09:20
membreyaamd64 3200 :)09:20
_tekkonqueror rocks when it doesn't crash, can totally configure the shit out of it09:20
_ReDRuM_k great.09:20
_ReDRuM_*all* of KDE would rock more if it was stable :)09:20
_ReDRuM_i almost lost my mind and installed gnome earlier09:21
membreyawhere would the fun be then ?09:21
_tekthat is kde3.4 issues09:21
membreyagnome shits me ..no friggin ability to edit the menu ..what's that about09:21
_teknot kde in general09:21
membreyakde4's in the first half of 2005..AFAIK :)09:21
_tekgnome is sane be default and if it doesnt work for you you must be insane in the membrane09:21
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membreyagnome works..but kde is pretty and tweakable :)09:22
_ReDRuM_yeh09:22
_tekgnome can munch my nutsack, it sucks09:22
_ReDRuM_i like kdes tweakability09:22
_ReDRuM_thats why im usin it09:22
_ReDRuM_gnome is ... tbh probably inferior to windows09:22
_ReDRuM_kde needs a beating for its buggyness tho09:22
membreya_ReDRuM_: it shows by it's popularity...53 users in #gnome..honestly09:23
_ReDRuM_like kaffeine for example09:23
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_ReDRuM_wtf is that bullshit kaffeine loading and eating all my cpu without me doing anything09:23
_teki would go so far to say gnome is inferior to a etch-a-sketch09:23
_ReDRuM_reminds me of that poxy windows explorer avi hook bug but worse cause kaffeine doesnt timeout eventually09:23
_-InMa-_buenas noches, good nigth09:23
_tekkillall kaffeine09:24
_ReDRuM__tek - yeh great.... i have it on an alias "kk" cause it happens so often :)09:24
bhnaWhen I go to the kde config-centre, and choose a part where I have to fill in my sudo password, then after a while kde is jumping back to the config-centre startscreen.09:24
_ReDRuM_alias kk='killall -9 kaffeine'09:24
_ReDRuM_id delete it but then vlc goes and malfunctions sometimes :)09:24
_ReDRuM_none of that kde sudo shit works properly09:25
_ReDRuM_its not a sudo pass tho09:25
_ReDRuM_its a root pass09:25
_ReDRuM_it wants your su pass09:25
_ReDRuM_...09:25
_ReDRuM_that kdesu crap tho it doest work09:25
_ReDRuM_its anothe known kde bug :)09:25
membreyaworks for me *shrugs*09:25
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_ReDRuM_membreya: the most unhelpful comment ever :)09:26
_ReDRuM_ive looked around kde's site09:26
membreyathat's what I'm good for :D09:26
_ReDRuM_they acknoledge its a kde issue09:26
_ReDRuM_bhna: run sudo -p09:26
_ReDRuM_and then type kcontrol09:26
_ReDRuM_from in there you can do admin stuff09:26
membreyabut then again, I'm one of the fools affects by the nvidia/renderaccel bug :|09:26
_ReDRuM_membreya: really? works for me :)09:26
membreyabite me :P09:26
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Tm_T=)09:27
bhna_ReDRuM_: i know kdesu drives me crazy09:27
Tm_Thaha09:27
membreyaoh ...ATI ..now there's a good gfx card :P09:27
Tm_Tthoho09:27
FhigoI WANT KUBUNTU!!!! ;)09:27
Tm_TI HAVE KUBUNTU!!!109:27
Tm_T;p09:27
Fhigolol09:27
Fhigofucker ^^09:27
_ReDRuM_bhna: dont use it09:27
_ReDRuM_its broken09:27
Tm_TMetallica - Four Horsemen :p09:28
_ReDRuM_maybe i might make a snapshot deb of kde with half of these bugs ironed out if nobody else can be bothered - when i finish my LFS auto bootstrap/toaster09:28
membreyashit..5.30 am :|09:28
Tm_Theh09:28
bhna_ReDRuM_: is there any bugreport?09:28
membreya_ReDRuM_: ...what bugs? :P09:28
_ReDRuM_bhna: yeh09:28
Tm_Tmembreya: you are from where? aussie?09:28
membreyaTm_T: that's the one :)09:28
Tm_Theh09:29
_ReDRuM_membreya: go and play tux racer on your accelerated video card09:29
membreyag'day mate..throw another shrimp on the barbie yada yada09:29
membreyai hate you _ReDRuM_ ...with a passion09:29
Tm_Tmembreya: jIt was educated guess =)09:29
_ReDRuM_that's what us limey wankers are for.09:29
Tm_Thaha09:29
Tm_Tmembreya: play supertux, great game09:29
membreyai know it's a great game09:29
membreyabut it's icky without ogl09:30
Tm_Theh, UT2k4 runs smooothly <309:30
membreyaand without renderaccel09:30
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membreya....09:30
_ReDRuM_GOAL!!!!09:30
_ReDRuM_gday mate09:30
membreyarugby? :|09:30
StR_ReDRuM_: could you help me?  do you have the .deb?09:30
_ReDRuM_gday sport09:30
membreyawhere's the friggin logic in rugby..they throw the ball...BACKWARDS!09:30
_ReDRuM_StR: its in the repo09:30
_ReDRuM_membreya: dunno, i like the game though - much prefer it to football :)09:31
membreyawhich football are you referring to ?09:31
StRkubuntu repo? or that kalyxo repo?09:31
_ReDRuM_any football :)09:31
membreyaAFL, Soccer, Rugby, GridIron09:31
_ReDRuM_but the real football of course09:31
_ReDRuM_soccer09:31
membreyaoh ...90 mins..MAYBE 1 goal09:31
membreyahold me back09:31
_ReDRuM_that's why i prefer rugby :)09:31
_ReDRuM_apart from punching people09:31
membreyadon't like _ReDRuM_ ..you like watching the rucks09:32
_tekback in a few09:32
membreyadont lie even09:32
membreyaFUCK!09:32
membreyai totally screwed that insult up09:32
_ReDRuM_eh slow down09:32
_ReDRuM_we can start with a suck first09:32
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membreyaLOL09:32
_ReDRuM_:P09:32
=== membreya points and laughs...must be cold
_ReDRuM_yeh its all that09:33
=== _ReDRuM_ slaps membreya with it
membreya2 inches of pure english lovin'09:33
StR_ReDRuM_: I don't find it in the rep09:33
_ReDRuM_StR: its in there09:33
_ReDRuM_maybe in universe or multiverse09:33
_ReDRuM_enable them....09:33
StR_ReDRuM_: I do have universe and multiverse...09:34
_ReDRuM_membreya: you've seen me with a hard-on? :/09:34
Fhigowhen you were talking i wasn't listen to word say.. *sings* ^^09:34
membreyahahaha09:34
_ReDRuM_StR: er09:34
_ReDRuM_well its there...09:34
_ReDRuM_sec09:34
membreyawww.redrumspr0n.net09:34
_ReDRuM_gtk2-engines-gtk-qt09:34
Fhigowtf is goin on O.o09:34
_ReDRuM_Fhigo: ?09:36
Fhigodon't care09:36
Fhigo^^09:36
StR_ReDRuM_: E: Couldn't find package gtk2-engines-gtk-qt09:36
_ReDRuM_k09:36
_ReDRuM_StR: using hoary?09:36
Fhigoi'm out for a beer ... later guys 09:36
StR_ReDRuM_: yes...09:36
_ReDRuM_StR: then... you dont have all the repos enabled :)09:37
_ReDRuM_apt-get update09:37
_ReDRuM_enable the repos..09:37
_ReDRuM_apt-get update09:37
alexhi everyone09:38
_ReDRuM_hi alex09:38
alexdoes anyone know why knode and kmail are not in the kubuntu K menu ?09:38
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membreyaalex: looked under internet?09:39
alexno they are not under internet ;)09:39
membreyathen add them *slaps*09:39
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alexalthough they are installed09:39
Borg^QueenHello humans09:40
exekhi all, can somebody help me with kde headers files?09:40
_ReDRuM_alex: open the PIM in office09:40
_ReDRuM_thats got kmail in it09:40
StR_ReDRuM_: could you msg me your /etc/apt/sources.list09:40
darkauditmembreya: they're in the Debian menu if you run update-menus, but they're no in the Kubuntu or Ubuntu menus09:40
Borg^Queenexek: just download them using synaptic09:40
membreyadarkaudit: they were in my menus from a fresh install ..as far as i remember..but that was 2 days ago09:40
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exekI tried09:40
membreyayes...they were09:40
exekapt-get install kdelibs4-dev09:41
Borg^Queenexek: what happened/09:41
_ReDRuM_oh crap cant dcc09:41
_ReDRuM_err09:41
Borg^QueenThis are the developement files for kde09:41
darkauditmembreya: they were in my Ubuntu menu until about 10 days before the release09:41
Borg^QueenYou need the headers which I think, are in a package al their own.09:41
exekerror has about 39 lines...09:42
membreyadarkaudit: mine is a fresh install of kubuntu 5.04 09:42
membreyabut it could be like admin mode in control centre... I have access to that :P09:42
darkaudithmm... I call kmail with a click on my mail desklet anyway ;)09:43
membreyadarkaudit: why not just leave it running?09:43
exekheh... sorry for disturbing... i used apt-get -f install and its something repairng :)09:43
alexi've just tried supertux: this is indeed a great game !09:43
exekbut thanks for help09:43
exektry abuse :)09:44
Borg^Queendid it fix it?09:44
membreyacrack-attack, frozen bubble, klickety and kbounce are all great time wasters :D09:44
exeki dont know yet... its downloading some stuff09:45
Borg^Queenmembreya: SuperTux09:45
exekbut it propably repair it09:45
Borg^Queenexek: so its a go?09:45
membreyaBorg^Queen: i know ... 09:45
Borg^QueenLOL09:45
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SuperCatFroghello all09:46
exekBorg^Queen: i think so09:46
exekBorg^Queen: Do You played ever abuse?09:46
exekthis game rox ;D09:46
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Borg^QueenNo. Abuse, sounds nasty09:47
membreyalol it's a fun old skool game :)09:47
SuperCatFrogabuse is cool - i used to play it on my 486dx09:47
SuperCatFrogdoes anybody know where ubuntu's bugzilla is?09:47
Borg^QueenNever played it09:47
exekthis game is so old? wow... but it rox :)09:48
\shSuperCatFrog: bugzilla.ubuntu.com?09:48
SuperCatFrogsh - tried09:48
\shSuperCatFrog: but there it is ;)09:48
motaboyHi all!09:48
SuperCatFroghmm, i must have typed it wrong the first time09:48
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SuperCatFrogoh crap - i forgot my ubuntu website username/password#09:50
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Borg^Queenhello motaboy 09:50
alexdoes anyone know how to install liquid weather++ with superkaramba09:50
membreyachatting through an IM ...how tacky :P09:50
_ReDRuM_alex: download it, extract it, run it09:50
alexi'm having trouble with it09:50
_ReDRuM_it misbehaved for me too when i was using a different theme09:50
membreyadon't forget to open the .theme with superkaramba :)09:50
_ReDRuM_if it doesnt work properly and is all blank looking09:51
_ReDRuM_use a different theme09:51
alexi did it, but i have nothing on the screen09:51
membreyabakkakke is good enough for me :)09:51
_ReDRuM_yeh you do09:51
_ReDRuM_you have a see-through blank box09:51
_ReDRuM_at least if you have the same issue i did09:51
_ReDRuM_change your theme09:51
_ReDRuM_(KDE window deco, etc)09:51
_ReDRuM_went away for me when i did that09:51
alexyou mean i should change for another liquid weather like theme ?09:52
_ReDRuM_KDE theme09:52
_ReDRuM_change your KDE theme...09:52
Borg^QueenSo where might I collect this abuse to see for myself?09:52
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_ReDRuM_there you go09:53
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_ReDRuM_right here09:53
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membreyaBorg^Queen: sudo apt-get install abuse?09:53
_ReDRuM_hey see09:53
_ReDRuM_your doing great.09:53
alexi changed my kde theme to plastik, but still nothing...09:53
Borg^Queenmembreya: no on ku yet09:53
Exek_pland dont forget abuse-sound :)09:53
Borg^Queenlol09:53
_ReDRuM_alex: *shrug* didnt work for me for a couple of days either09:54
membreyamembreya@diab:~$ apt-cache search abuse09:54
membreyaabuse - SDL port of the Abuse action game09:54
membreyaabuse-frabs - levels and graphics for Abuse09:54
membreyaworks for me :)09:54
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membreyachicago...NOOOOOOOOO09:54
alexnow i have a black box on my desktop09:54
=== _ReDRuM_ pats borg^queen on the head
_ReDRuM_alex - thats what i got09:54
_ReDRuM_:)09:54
Borg^QueenYou can't pat me. your only a half cm tall09:54
alexdo i have to place the liquid weather files in some particular location in the disk ?09:55
_ReDRuM_change your theme - and it works09:55
_ReDRuM_alex: no ive told u already like 7 times its a bug kde theme releated.... n/m forget it.09:55
=== _ReDRuM_ squashes Borg^Queen
_ReDRuM_hey cool, flat borg queen09:55
alexwhich kde theme works for you ?09:55
=== _ReDRuM_ puts it in his pocket
Borg^QueenOoh squash yummy thanks09:56
_ReDRuM_alex: i got a mismatch of like err, sec09:56
=== Borg^Queen turns _ReDRuM_ into Bill Gates
Borg^QueenWithout the money09:56
_tekroflol09:56
Borg^Queenlol09:56
=== _ReDRuM_ uses bill greats brain to make borg ^queen crash
_ReDRuM_abort - windows was here09:57
_ReDRuM_alex - knifty window deco, baghira style09:57
Borg^QueenNo windows here09:57
_ReDRuM_Borg^Queen: microsoft is everywhere, resistance is futile.09:57
Borg^Queenbaghira rocks09:57
Borg^Queen_ReDRuM_: Actually windows is deminishing.09:57
_tekupdating windows is futile you will be hacked09:58
Borg^Queenlol09:58
_ReDRuM_yeh i know, any excuse for a cheezy borg reference.09:58
Borg^Queen_tek: you got it09:58
Borg^Queen_ReDRuM_: oh lol09:58
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_ReDRuM_not on any of my systems anymore09:58
uniqhello guys.09:58
_tekyeah but penicillin helped me get rid of it09:58
_ReDRuM_hey uniq, hows u this evening?09:59
uniqhi redrum, just got back from work.. 16h today.. 09:59
_teki run windows in vmware just to walk customers out of problems.09:59
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_ReDRuM_savage.09:59
_tekthey manage to always walk back into another one though.09:59
_ReDRuM__tek: tell them to put the knoppix cd in the drive09:59
_ReDRuM_no more problem :)09:59
Borg^Queen_tek: eeewww10:00
_tekdo not laugh redrum i have done it more than once, knoppix is the worlds greatest prank too! dont tell them the cd is in there and watch them scratch their heads for HOURS!!!10:00
_tekjust tell them its service pack 310:01
Borg^Queen_tek: Oh I have to do that. That would rocks10:01
Borg^QueenOMG I have to do that!!10:01
Borg^QueenThey crap themselves10:01
Exek_plsadist10:02
Borg^QueenYes and?10:02
_tekactually setup two system for a hotel in the lobby, one running knoppix and one running xp 10:02
Exek_plnothing ;P10:02
Borg^QueenWait, Exek_pl you say that like its a bad thing10:02
_teksomeone stole the system running knoppix, no HD in the system either10:02
_ReDRuM_alex: http://xs404.xs.to/pics/05151/rulez.jpg <--- what theme  i got :)10:02
Exek_plI must reconsider it.... Its great thing :)10:02
_ReDRuM_as you can see if you stick with it liquid weather will stop foobaring in the end10:02
Exek_pl... my english sucks... im going to eat dictionary tonight... goodbye all10:04
_ReDRuM__tek: he service pack three10:04
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_ReDRuM_heh even.10:05
_tekif kubuntu did not ask the language and keyboard questions i would use it instead for live cd's and pranks10:05
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Borg^Queenubuntu: hello10:06
_ReDRuM__tek: for pranks i like putting gay porn in their porn collection and renaming it so it fits in with their files10:06
Borg^Queenyou snagged a good nick10:06
Borg^Queen_ReDRuM_: ewww10:07
Borg^QueenPorn in general10:07
_ReDRuM_nothing wrong with a bit of porno10:07
_ReDRuM_gay porn sure10:07
_ReDRuM_thats the whole point10:07
_ReDRuM_classic reactions10:07
Borg^QueenThere's nothing wrong with be lesbian or gay10:07
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_ReDRuM_Borg^Queen: you wanna watch a bunch of gay porn?10:07
fat_larrythere's an offer10:08
_ReDRuM_fat_larry: ho ho10:08
_ReDRuM_you see me point.10:08
Borg^QueenI don't want to watch porn at all10:08
_ReDRuM_Borg^Queen: ok... don't watch it then :)10:08
Borg^Queen_ReDRuM_: porn makes you a winuser10:09
_ReDRuM_hey borg queen, want to watch this video i've got, it's about linux technology issues...10:09
Borg^QueenNo thanks10:09
fat_larryis it harcorde issues, or just softcore?10:10
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_ReDRuM_fat_larry: dunno - it was a joke i dont have any porn or tech vids :)10:10
Borg^QueenLOL yeah10:11
fat_larryhehe10:11
Borg^QueenYou computer is full of 10:11
Borg^Queentech vids10:11
Borg^QueenYou're a tech vid junkie10:11
_ReDRuM_it's full of episodes of deadwood and 2410:11
_ReDRuM_eyes10:11
_ReDRuM_err...10:11
Borg^Queen_ReDRuM_: see that, tell him there's no porn and he lives10:11
_ReDRuM_*flicks through vid dir*10:11
Borg^Queendeadwood?10:11
_ReDRuM_yeh deadwood is the best program on tv.10:11
Borg^QueenWhat is it about.10:12
Borg^QueenI dont' watch TV10:12
Borg^QueenWell except for learning channels and sci fi10:12
_ReDRuM_it's about a lawless hell hole in the the wild west full of criminals, drunks and hookers10:12
_teki watch tv, craving me some farscape!10:12
Borg^QueenFarscape110:12
_tekrocks!!!10:12
_ReDRuM_heh you addicts.10:13
_ReDRuM_lot of people raving about lost right now10:13
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_tekchiana, now that is someone i would like to see in a porno10:13
_teklol10:13
Borg^Queen_tek: who?10:14
Borg^QueenOoh chianna, she's cute10:14
_tekshe is totally hot.10:14
_tekin real life she is totally hot10:14
Borg^QueenI agree10:15
_tekhave a few pics she has done10:15
_ReDRuM_she must be quite popular10:15
_ReDRuM_the third google URL in her name is about a cat10:15
_ReDRuM_and the first has no photos10:15
_tekok, i have to get out of here, back in a few hours. have a new system to go deliver 10:16
Borg^Queenlater10:16
_teki can send you some pics when i get back redrum, she is good looking and very talented10:16
_ReDRuM_borg spelled her name wrong.10:16
_ReDRuM_later10:16
_tekL8tr10:16
_ReDRuM_she's ok.10:17
_ReDRuM_her character sounds interesting10:17
Borg^QueenThe character is interesting10:18
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_ReDRuM_still... its farscape10:19
_ReDRuM_it cant be any good10:19
_ReDRuM_they put it on the sci-fi channel at 2am or so here10:19
_ReDRuM_i've always avoided watching it10:19
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Borg^QueenVCR dude10:19
_ReDRuM_i avoided watching it deliberately :)10:20
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eliasi just installed kubuntu, and I'm having problems with my fglrx driver-- I've installed it, xorg, added all of the correct directives, etc.. but still have a few strange problems10:20
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elias1. kcomposite complains that xorg isnt started10:20
elias2. fglrxinfo compains that XFree86-DRI directive isnt set10:20
_ReDRuM_ati driver doesnt work with composite10:20
_ReDRuM_use the mesa one if you want composite10:20
_ReDRuM_yes ati sucks horribly10:21
eliasokay, thats fine, but what about the later10:21
_ReDRuM_e-mail them and complain10:21
eliasi know, but thats what I have to play with10:21
_ReDRuM_me too10:21
_ReDRuM_never again...10:21
eliasand if i want to play 3d games i need fglrx, no>10:21
elias?10:21
_ReDRuM_it will certainly help10:21
eliasso then the later problem10:21
eliasXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".10:22
eliaswhat am I missing?10:22
_ReDRuM_Load "dri" ?10:22
_ReDRuM_you need Load "dri" and Load "glx"10:22
_ReDRuM_in the module section10:22
eliasboth are done10:22
Tm_Thmm, azureus...10:22
eliasas in both are in there10:23
_ReDRuM_Option "no_dri" "no"10:23
_ReDRuM_in ati device section?10:23
eliaswhere?10:23
_ReDRuM_tell u what10:23
_ReDRuM_ill just paste my xorg.conf10:23
_ReDRuM_and u work it out :)10:23
eliasgood idea10:23
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eliaspm m10:23
eliase10:23
_ReDRuM_ill stick it on pastebin10:23
_ReDRuM_http://pastebin.ca/956710:24
eliasthanks10:25
_ReDRuM_the DRi section ive got in there requires u to be in the video group to use it10:25
_ReDRuM_and err... ignore the mega rant about nvidia10:25
eliashaha10:25
_ReDRuM_id been trying to get composite to work for 10 hours10:25
_ReDRuM_i now know more than i ever wanted to about ati and their crappy driver.10:25
_ReDRuM_oh yeh10:26
_ReDRuM_and theres an explaination of internal agp gart in there too10:26
_ReDRuM_cause n00bs kept telling me the wrong info and it took me a few hours to figure that out too10:26
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ - kompmgr looks very nice, but unfortunately its very unstable10:27
SuperCatFrogand buggy too10:28
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burgermannlo :)10:28
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: oh well10:28
burgermannwould anyone accidently know of any KDE application that synchronizes with mobile phones?10:28
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_ReDRuM_fit in well with the kde desktop then :)10:28
SuperCatFrogburgerman - ksync10:28
psnSuperCatFrog: well I wouldn't blame it all on kompmgr10:28
_ReDRuM_</rant> :)10:28
burgermannoh :s10:28
SuperCatFrogpan - yes, i know - i meant composite in X in general10:29
SuperCatFrogmight be the binary nvidia driver not liking the render extention also10:29
KaiLseams to be even worse with ATI10:29
burgermanndoes anyone know any KDE application that haven't been thought of? (joke)10:29
_ReDRuM_it doesnt WORK with ati10:29
_ReDRuM_unless u use the mesa drivers10:29
KaiLduno about and open drivers..10:30
_ReDRuM_i spent 10 hours tryijng to make it work10:30
SuperCatFrogburgermann - have you tried ksync?10:30
_ReDRuM_befoe finally learning it just cannot be done10:30
burgermannSuperCatFrog, no, i'm on it =D10:30
KaiL_ReDRuM_: is it staple on any hardware?10:30
KaiLstaBle...10:30
_ReDRuM_dont think its stable yet nope10:30
_ReDRuM_still - nothing on X is stable... *grumble* :)10:30
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_ReDRuM_heh.10:31
KaiLmaybe with Xorg 6.910:31
psnKaiL: it works best on nvidia cards10:31
SuperCatFrogburgermann - its part of kontact, if you use that (nice gui glue for kmail, ksync, akregator, tec)10:31
KaiLpsn: "nv" or "nvidia"?10:31
SuperCatFrog(etc10:31
burgermannanother question, how is KDE organized?? who decides which applications are developed and even more wonderous who pays for it?10:31
_ReDRuM_psn: cause its hardware accelerated with nvidia cards10:31
SuperCatFrogburgermann - nobody and nobody (except donations)10:31
darkaudit_ReDRuM_: you'll want blackbox to get bsetbg, aterm, and eterm10:31
bhnaburgermann: in general nobody10:31
psnKaiL: nvidia's driver10:31
SuperCatFrogburgermann - all the kde apps are developed by people in their spare time (like i would if i could)10:32
_ReDRuM_darkaudit: u was using eterm and friends before kde...10:32
_ReDRuM_i like kde tho10:32
kkathmanhey there SuperCatFrog !10:32
_ReDRuM_i just wish it worked better10:32
_ReDRuM_:)10:32
SuperCatFroghi kkathman10:32
burgermannwell that's gr8 that means no firm kan overtake it :p...10:32
KaiLpsn: ugs.. I've tried it with a GF2 GTS - crash, crash, crash....10:32
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: sure you can10:32
uniq_redrum_: i gave up the fglrx drivers myself.. the driver is a pice of shit.. I did it all on amd64 to make it even worse.. I don't need it anyway.10:32
burgermanncan even :s10:32
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: get a copy of kdevelop, download the qt dev source, google for "qt howto"10:32
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ unless somebody writes a vb5 interpritter, im stuck until i get round to learning c++ (which i do plan to do, when i get time)10:33
darkaudit_ReDRuM_: only reason I have eterm is to set my backgrounds in Fluxbox... look at the LintherBrushed config file...10:33
psnKaiL: ok I haven't tried it at all it's just what I've been told10:33
darkauditLintherBrushed=Aqua-like style on Freshmeat10:33
KaiLSuperCatFrog: learn C++ - or at least something with that syntax - and FORGET vb :p10:33
_ReDRuM_uniq: i get my 5000fps on glxgears... it will do...10:33
KaiL5000?10:34
burgermannFor what reason did you choose Ubuntu instead of e.g. Debian? 10:34
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SuperCatFrogkail - i know, i learned some vb when i was about 14, thought it was cool. now i wish i'd have spent that time learning a real language. 10:34
_ReDRuM_Kail: cause yo ugot composite on10:34
_ReDRuM_and ATI driver doesnt do composite10:34
_ReDRuM_like i keep telling people10:34
uniqburgermann: updated packages. better for the desktop imho.10:34
_ReDRuM_so it will be using the mesa libs driver10:34
SuperCatFrogand they force us to learn vb at college (and only a tiny bit of c++ - didn't even get to structs)10:34
KaiL_ReDRuM_: nop - outdated hardware :)10:34
_ReDRuM_KaiL: oh :)10:34
_ReDRuM_lol10:34
KaiLK6-2/500 + G55010:34
darkauditUbuntu plays much better with my thumb drive :)10:34
SuperCatFrogim gonna go make a bru - back in a bit10:35
KaiLburgermann: because ubuntu still get's updated. debian doesn't10:35
_ReDRuM_KaiL: do you need to wind it up while web browsing?10:35
uniqburgermann: amd64 support.10:35
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: c++ isnt that hard10:35
burgermannOh, I installed ubuntu because of its philosophy :s10:35
Borg^QueenBBL people10:35
_ReDRuM_especially not with something like qt libs10:35
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_ReDRuM_its probably about the same difficulty as vb10:36
_ReDRuM_u could always use python10:36
KaiL_ReDRuM_: this box is quite ok, if you aren't one of this "can't wait 2sec" guys10:36
_ReDRuM_python will let you make apps fast supercatfrog10:36
KaiLhm? Borg^Queen is back?10:36
KaiLafter that show yesterday?!10:36
_ReDRuM_no she left10:37
KaiLok, "was back"10:37
burgermannI have this "controversial" idea that, if people really support piracy it's because they think that software should be free. I like that. Free software, free information. Naive but is lovely :p10:38
_ReDRuM_burgermann: keep telling yourself that while those torrents come in.,,10:38
KaiLburgermann: no10:38
burgermann_ReDRuM_, I'm not talking move or multimedia ;)10:39
KaiLmost people stealing software I know think only "why should I pay for something, I can get for free?"10:39
burgermannmove = movie10:39
burgermannKail, no what?10:39
_ReDRuM_KaiL: and the remaining ones are thinking "how much will people pay for this free software?" :)10:39
__P__3there is  the  kynaptic developer?10:39
KaiLthose people wouldn't help on any opensource project, they only look for the personal profit10:39
_ReDRuM_KaiL: wild generalisation10:40
SuperCatFrogback10:40
_ReDRuM_its just cause people dont see any consequence to their action10:40
KaiL_ReDRuM_: of coz there are others10:40
_ReDRuM_as it doesnt have any obvious physical effect10:40
_ReDRuM_so they dont give a damn10:40
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ - i know its not that hard, finding the time and committing myself to learning it is10:40
_ReDRuM_human nature10:40
KaiLbut many of them doesn't care about other people in *any* way10:40
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burgermann_ReDRuM_,, so u believe that you're just plain old mean, loving all the piracy you can get? :P10:41
_ReDRuM_what me?10:41
_ReDRuM_im definately plain old mean :)10:41
_ReDRuM_but do you mean me?10:41
burgermannOuh?10:42
SuperCatFrogredrum - python eh?10:42
burgermann*dead lock*10:43
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ - last week i thought to myself, which scripting language shall i have a dabble in? ive heard perl was hard so i tried python, then i got bored so i tried perl10:43
SuperCatFrogi found perl to be much nicer 10:44
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: yeh, personally ive never bothered learning it preferring to slate it at every oppertunity i hear it is good for rapid development though, and all signs i have to admit point to that...10:44
_ReDRuM_perl is col10:44
_ReDRuM_cool10:44
SuperCatFrogdidn't get very far though10:44
_ReDRuM_its not as easy as python :)10:44
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KaiLperl is nice, as long as you don't need to understand other people's source10:44
SuperCatFrog_must_ stop being lazy. _must_ learn programming language 10:44
_ReDRuM_and the fact it isnt doesnt mean that its any better either10:45
_ReDRuM_hard != good10:45
_ReDRuM_hard == hard10:45
_ReDRuM_seperate types :)10:45
KaiLin perl it's very easy to write code, nobody, not even yourself can understand :)10:45
KortorI followed the instructions on the BinaryDriverHowto page on the wiki page for the X.Org ATI driver, and x won't load when I have it installed10:45
SuperCatFrognono, !hard == good10:45
SuperCatFrog*no, no !hard == good10:45
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: python then :)10:45
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_ReDRuM_or ruby10:45
_ReDRuM_maybe you'll like ruby10:45
KaiLKortor: module loaded?10:46
_ReDRuM_KaiL: how about "sed scripts"10:46
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ i thought of that too. i figured by the end of the session that i might as well just not bother, and learn something i can get a job with like c++ (i was getting bored)10:46
_ReDRuM_they're quite funky too10:46
KaiL"X won't load" is really strange...10:46
__P__3riddel  are  you  there?10:47
KaiLwhich chip?10:47
KortorKaiL: I don't remember the error.10:47
__P__3is there  a  a wishlist  of kynaptic?10:47
KortorKaiL: It was something about fglrx10:47
KaiL__P__3: Riddell  that is (for highlighting)10:47
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: theres no reason you cant get a job with python or a scripting lang the majority of web development is done in scripting langs (php specifically)10:47
SuperCatFrogkortor- then there's sod all anybody can do (unless they know what you were doing at the time). 10:47
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KaiLKortor: rumours are, error messages can help debugging10:47
_ReDRuM_plus you will find most coders know more than one language, right tool for the job10:47
Riddellsomeone called?10:48
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu:KaiL] : Kubuntu 5.04 Is Out! http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | Feedback please: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuHoaryReleaseComments | rumours are, error messages can help debugging :)
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ - ye, but web is so boring, its nice for a bit but then its the same thing for every website10:48
_P_yes Riddell 10:48
Riddell_P_: nope, I' still to investigate the future of package managers10:48
KortorKaiL: Heh, well, I could reconfigure it to use fglrx agaibn10:48
Riddell_P_: I need to look at Kapture to see if it'll be usable for breezy10:48
KortorKaiL: I will, and I'll go check the error.10:48
_P_ah  ok 10:48
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ - i pulled my finger out a few months ago and started writing a website (learned css, _valid_ html4.01 strict and php), but i got distracted by crappy college10:48
KortorKaiL: I changed it back to basic ati when it didn't work.10:48
_P_i wissh  to  see pack  divided  by sources10:48
KaiL..."ati" or "radeon"? :)10:49
_P_and no synaptic  and  no kynaptic  can  do  10:49
_P_maybe  is  a  filter  but  i cant  find  this featuers10:49
_P_*features10:49
SuperCatFrogkail - lol at the /topic10:49
KaiLSuperCatFrog: allways nice for support problems :)10:50
KortorKaiL: The ati driver. it was what it was originally configured as and what i set it back to when fglrx gave me the error10:50
KortorKaiL: I have an ATI Radeon 9600 XT10:51
psnRiddell: last time I saw kapture it had a total mess for a ui10:51
SuperCatFrogis kortor the crazy bloke from yesterday that was typing really fast and using \n as punctuation?10:51
KortorNo.10:51
SuperCatFrogthe one on anphetamines10:51
KortorI wasn't here yesterday.10:51
SuperCatFrogo ok10:51
KaiLKortor: ok, so 2D only without..10:51
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KaiLSuperCatFrog: really fast?10:51
=== KaiL remembers a funny guy inserting a nvidia FX5200 in a Socket 7 board :;)
Riddellpsn: just like Kynaptic then :)10:52
KortorKaiL: anyway, im gonna restart x now, load bitchx, then ill tell you what the errors are10:52
SuperCatFrognot so much really fast as typing like this \n he would use enter as puncuation \n like this \n 10:52
psnRiddell: true10:52
KaiLKortor: ok10:52
_ReDRuM_kotor: the ati drivers are a headache...10:52
psnRiddell: though I think kynaptic actually is usable for the simple case10:52
_ReDRuM_kynaptics probably good for noobs10:53
_ReDRuM_the less confusing the descrtions when your new the better10:53
_ReDRuM_and if your not a noob, you can install something else10:53
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Kortorokay, now ill give you the error, KaiL10:54
_P_is  there  a  way  to  see pack  for repository? 10:54
Kortorbut I can't get it all, cause it went off the screen10:54
KaiLKortor: http://pastebin.ca/ << paste theer10:54
KortorKaiL: Okay. Does that page work with lynx?10:55
SuperCatFrogkortor - if your debugging X do this:10:55
KaiLI hope10:55
SuperCatFrogcat /var/log/Xorg.log.0 | grep EE10:55
_P_maybe  not :D10:55
KortorSuperCatFrog: Some of the errors though had (WW) in front instead of (EE), so wouldn'10:56
Kortorwouldn't that not get all? or are those not important?10:56
_ReDRuM_WW's are always non-fatal10:56
Kortorokay10:56
KaiLKortor: first the (EE)10:57
SuperCatFrogkortor - EE are the ones you want to catch - theyre fatal errors10:57
KaiLif then problems are left, we go over to the (WW)10:57
Kortorthere is no file or directory /var/log/Xorg.log.010:58
SuperCatFroggimme a sec10:58
KaiLwithout the .0?10:58
KaiLXorg.0.log10:58
Kortornone w/o the .0 either10:58
SuperCatFrogcat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep ee10:58
_ReDRuM_my x doesnt make a log unless i start it with startx10:58
SuperCatFrogoops10:58
SuperCatFroggrep EE10:58
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SuperCatFrog_redrum_ - mine does10:59
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: must be a setting somewhere10:59
_ReDRuM_it makes logs when it fails10:59
SuperCatFrogkortor - try using tab completion - cat /var/log/X[tab]  10:59
_ReDRuM_so there should be one for him i guess :)10:59
KortorIs there anyway to copy and paste in this just plain text thingie?10:59
Kortorsince i cant highlight w/o a mouse. :(10:59
SuperCatFrogunless i started with startx when i was first setting up kubuntu and the logfiles are from then10:59
_ReDRuM_kotor apt-get install gdb10:59
Kortorwhat is gdb?11:00
Kortordoes it allow me to copy paste?11:00
_ReDRuM_a plain text thinie cut and paster.11:00
Kortorcool11:00
Kortorah, i already have it11:00
Kortorhow does it work?11:00
_ReDRuM_type gdb11:00
_ReDRuM_mve the mouse11:00
_ReDRuM_select text11:00
_ReDRuM_it auto copies and the middle button pastes11:01
_ReDRuM_which u can do in X too btw but its flakey in a lot of modern apps11:01
Kortori have no mouse, _ReDRuM_...11:01
KortorI11:01
Kortorwell what i mean is11:01
Kortortheres no mouse pointer or anything11:02
Kortorsince x is foobarded11:02
SuperCatFrogtry moving the mouse11:02
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Kortornothing happens11:02
_ReDRuM_its not gdb11:02
SuperCatFroggdm11:02
_ReDRuM_yeh :011:02
SuperCatFroggdb is the debugger11:02
Kortorgdm is gnome display manager...11:02
_ReDRuM_i thought that was the gnome manager11:02
Kortorthat lets me copy and paste?11:02
_ReDRuM_rofl11:02
SuperCatFrogoh crap11:02
eliyahu11:02
_ReDRuM_whats the goddam mouse program called11:02
eliyahu  11:03
Kortorwell anyway while you guys think of that ill start the bothersome task of typing a bunch of lines into pastebin11:03
Kortor:(11:03
SuperCatFroggmgpm11:03
SuperCatFrogoops11:03
SuperCatFroggpm11:03
Kortor133711:03
Kortori got a mouse!11:03
_ReDRuM_gpm11:03
_ReDRuM_yeh11:03
SuperCatFrogthank god i had my old gentoo installation around11:04
_ReDRuM_lol11:04
Kortorhow do i copy with it?11:04
_ReDRuM_i was flickin through google, didnt helped them gpm jumped into my head and ive got the manpage installed11:04
SuperCatFroghighlight the text11:04
_ReDRuM_:)11:04
Kortorthen how do i paste11:04
_ReDRuM_click the middle mouse button11:04
Kortorhttp://pastebin.ca/957011:05
Kortorhttp://pastebin.ca/957011:05
Kortorsorry11:05
Kortorthats awesome11:05
SuperCatFrogdoes anybody have a copy of the chillian national anthem, with words?11:06
Kortorgpm > *11:06
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_ReDRuM_Kortor: id rather have x running :)11:06
KortorMe too11:06
_ReDRuM_whats your x problem btw?11:06
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Kortorhttp://pastebin.ca/957011:06
Kortorits that11:06
Kortorwhen i followed the instructions in the BinaryDriverHowto11:07
Kortorfor the X.Org ATI Driver11:07
SuperCatFrogfound it (after 5 years of looking, here: http://www.joeskitchen.com/chile/facts/chile-himno.mp3 )11:07
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: thats one long look :)11:08
Kortorheh11:08
_ReDRuM_why doesnt it have framebuffer loaded11:08
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ i heard it in the football (soccer) world cup in 2000 and have wanted it ever since (its the funnyest national anthem ever)11:09
Kortori dunno, what is framebuffer?11:09
SuperCatFroga graphical console kinda11:09
Kortorwell, do i need it? and if i do how do i get it?11:09
Kortorrep heh11:09
Kortoroops11:09
_ReDRuM_kortor: kernel module that handles some graphic funtions, often used for big rpetty console11:09
Kortor.msg narg heh11:09
_ReDRuM_Kortor: how about11:10
_ReDRuM_i just show u my xorg.conf11:10
_ReDRuM_and u use that11:10
narg.msg narg?11:10
_ReDRuM_)change rhe monitor bit)11:10
sorinThey caught Brian Nichols 2 miles from where I live. Now, they closed my ex-high school, and SWAT is everywhere. What is wrong with this town?11:10
Kortordo you use the fglrx driver?11:10
SuperCatFrogoh bloody hell. that chilean national anthem isn't what i was after - they sounded like loonies when they sung it in the world cup11:10
_ReDRuM_yes11:10
_ReDRuM_http://pastebin.ca/956711:10
Kortorif you do, sure. :D11:10
_ReDRuM_and theres my xorg.conf11:10
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: lol11:11
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ - you have a point - why doesn't ubuntu/kubuntu come with a framebuffer presetup?11:11
_ReDRuM_cause its not a console distro11:11
_ReDRuM_?11:11
SuperCatFrogbut it looks pretty on bootup11:12
_ReDRuM_yeh11:12
_ReDRuM_you mite be able to turn it on by sending your kernel parameters vga=773 or somethin11:12
_ReDRuM_got no idea what that does but it turns framebuffer on in a coupel of other distros11:12
Kortorwell, how do i set up a framebuffer11:12
_ReDRuM_Kortor: just use that xorg.conf and see if it works first11:12
Kortoris that what i need?11:12
Kortorokay, redrum11:12
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SuperCatFrogkortor - a framebuffer is an afterthought - once your distro is running perfectly, you should start trying to do stuff like framebuffers - make it work before you break it11:13
_ReDRuM_the only bit you MUST change11:13
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_ReDRuM_is this: Section "Monitor11:13
Kortorokay11:13
_ReDRuM_eveyrthing in there, the 4 lines about horizontal sync, etc you MUST change11:13
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_ReDRuM_failing to do so might blow up your monitor - use the section from your own xorg.conf11:14
Kortormine is almost the same as yours, redrum11:14
_ReDRuM_tbh most modern monitors are smart enough to turn themselves off if u put dangerous numbers in there - ive seen a few wabble worringly for several minutes after :)11:14
_ReDRuM_almost doesnt count11:14
Kortori know11:14
_ReDRuM_(tho its less dangerous)11:14
Kortorall its missin though is the 2 sync lines11:15
_ReDRuM_er11:15
_ReDRuM_ur suppose to have those11:15
Kortorpeer11:15
Kortorwell, that would be it11:15
Kortorbut i never had em before11:15
Kortorall i ran between it workin wit ati drivers and not wit fglrx was a sed to replace ati with fglrx in the conf file11:15
_ReDRuM_heh11:16
_ReDRuM_i can guarantee you my xorg.conf works and i know exactly what everything is in there for i even commented most of it11:16
_ReDRuM_cause theres too much mis-information out there11:16
Kortornod11:16
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Kortorwell, i can also guarantee you mine didnt have it before :P11:17
Kortorbut i trust you11:17
Kortorhere i go11:17
_ReDRuM_xorg is supposed to be able to do ddc detection on its own11:17
_ReDRuM_thats why11:17
_ReDRuM_it doesnt always goto plan tho.11:17
Kortorstill didnt work11:17
_ReDRuM_same error?11:17
Kortornod11:17
Kortorxactly11:17
_ReDRuM_lsmod | grep fb11:18
Kortori didnt need to change the identifier in it, did i?11:18
Kortorthats not really important, is it?11:18
_ReDRuM_btw i notice u have a r200 device?11:18
Kortori dunno11:18
Kortorwhat is that?11:18
_ReDRuM_er old radeons11:19
_ReDRuM_i think 9200 and below11:19
Kortorpeer11:19
Kortorno11:19
Kortorits a 9600 XT11:19
KaiL9250 still r20011:19
KaiLthat's r30011:19
_ReDRuM_x seems to think he has an r20011:19
_ReDRuM_or rather the ati driver does... er...11:20
Kortor:(11:20
Kortorpeer11:20
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_ReDRuM_ok11:20
_ReDRuM_it says screens found but none have a usable config11:20
_ReDRuM_so lets try filling in your ddc info11:20
Kortorokay11:20
Kortorwhats my ddc info?11:20
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_ReDRuM_something fun for u to paste: dcprobe | grep ^monitorrange | sed 's/[^ ] * //'11:20
_ReDRuM_er11:20
Kortorand do you still need that lsmod | grep fb?11:20
_ReDRuM_ddcprobe | grep ^monitorrange | sed 's/[^ ] * //'11:20
_ReDRuM_yeh in a sec i wanna see if ddcprobe can pick up your h/vsync11:21
Kortorshould i use sudo for that?11:21
_ReDRuM_yeh11:21
Kortorit says /dev/mem: permission denied11:21
Kortornod11:21
_ReDRuM_sorry i have the worst habits...11:21
Kortor30-70, 50-12011:21
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=== ojw has a kubuntu liveCD - can I install on a hard-disk from it?
_ReDRuM_wow your monitor IS like mine isnt it :)11:22
Kortor:P11:22
_ReDRuM_so you see the section where mine says 50-120 in xorg.conf ?11:22
Kortoryeah11:22
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KaiLKortor: could you paste lspci | grep VGA?11:22
_ReDRuM_leave that one alone, and change the one that says 30-72 to 30-7011:22
_ReDRuM_and try that11:22
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Kortor0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] 11:23
KaiLk11:23
Kortornod redrum11:23
SuperCatFrogthis is the first distro (after i learned what was what) ive actually bothered to not be root for everyday stuff11:23
_ReDRuM_i dont see the point of sudo11:23
_ReDRuM_for me anyway11:23
_ReDRuM_ive had the sudo debate a million times :)11:23
Kortori like sudo11:23
Kortorokay, redrum, did that11:23
Kortorshould i try startx again?11:24
_ReDRuM_kortor cant hurt :)11:24
SuperCatFrogits better than su because root has more control over it. if you want to use it like su, you can (stops debating sudo v su now)11:24
Kortorsame errors11:24
_blackdogare apt sources available for breezybadger yet?11:24
_ReDRuM_k try pasting the output of lsmod | grep fb11:24
_ReDRuM_into a query _redrum_ window or a pastebin11:25
_ReDRuM_SuperCatFrog: or - alternatively - it just gives a user account that wouldnt normally need root access root access :)11:25
KaiLKortor: rv350 is Radeon 9600 or 9600 Pro11:25
_ReDRuM_yeh its good for limited control11:25
_ReDRuM_but for a single user system of your own11:25
KaiLcan't find a  "XT"...11:26
_ReDRuM_its only good to stop pasting crap in root windows11:26
SuperCatFrog_redrum_ - but it does it in a more controlable way than su (not all or nothing)11:26
_ReDRuM_KaiL: theyre the same thigns11:26
KaiLyes11:26
KaiLbut maybe the driver doesn't know it?11:26
_ReDRuM_it should do11:26
_ReDRuM_its not that new a card11:26
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KaiLwhy does it try to load the r200 driver?11:27
_ReDRuM_i dont know thats retarded11:27
KaiL...as everybody can see "rv350"11:27
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SuperCatFrogdog - walk11:27
SuperCatFrogback in bit11:27
Kortortest11:28
_ReDRuM_yes kortor it works :)11:28
Kortorim stuck in a query window i dunno how to close. i have to use /msg #kubuntu to talk11:28
Kortorso anyway. what do i do now?11:29
Kortorhow do i make it know i dun have an r200?11:29
KaiLuhm, is the "radeon" kernel module loaded?11:29
Kortordunno, how do I check?11:29
_ReDRuM_ i thought it was /window close11:30
_ReDRuM_maybe /close11:30
KaiLlsmod | grep radeon11:30
Kortorno, it isnt11:30
Kortorhow do I load it? and will that allow my drivers to work?11:30
KaiLmodprobe radeon11:31
Kortorsudo, i assume?11:31
KaiLbtw. doesn't he need a special module from ati too?11:31
KaiLyes11:31
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Kortorcan I posta  4 line long error msg11:31
Kortoror do i have to use pastebin for that11:31
KaiLunresolved symbols?11:32
Kortoryeah11:32
KaiLok...11:32
Kortorand cannot allocate memory11:32
Kortorbut that is just warning11:32
_ReDRuM_md5sum /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.211:32
KaiLuname -r ?11:32
_ReDRuM_whats that say11:32
KortorKaiL: 2.6.10-5-38611:33
KaiLlinux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-38611:33
KaiLinstall that package.11:33
Kortoralready newest version11:33
_ReDRuM_what about the md5sum of that file?11:33
KaiLmodprobe fglrx11:33
_ReDRuM_heh11:34
Kortorthe md5sum gives me thios: 31705b56d51c90700e52aac5f5d961a3  /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.211:34
_ReDRuM_that is right...11:34
KaiLsorry, radeon is for the free driver, fglrx for the ati one.....11:34
Kortorshould i try startx now?11:34
KaiLyes11:34
Kortorsame errors still11:35
KaiLeven the r200-line?11:35
Kortoryeah11:35
_ReDRuM_how about the command dmesg11:35
KaiLwhich chipset is the mainboard?11:35
Kortorredrum: wow, thats a lot of stuff11:36
KaiLvia? intel? nvidia? ali? sis? amd?11:36
_ReDRuM_just the fireglx stuff :P11:36
Kortorintel Pentium 411:36
_ReDRuM_thats the CPU11:36
KaiLchipset, not CPU :)11:36
KaiLbut I guess intel too....11:36
Kortordunno.11:36
_ReDRuM_lspci might give a clue11:36
_ReDRuM_lspci | grep 'PCI Bridge'11:37
KaiLlsmod | grep agp11:37
Kortorredrum: if there is anything about fireglx it got pushed off the screen by the tons of radeon error messages11:37
KaiLand intel-agp or intel-mch-agp?11:37
Kortor0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 12)11:37
Kortorintel-agp11:37
_ReDRuM_try change in xorg.conf the setting useinternalagpgart to "yes"11:37
Kortorponder... i dont see that setting11:38
_ReDRuM_presume if he has intel pci bus he will have intel agp11:38
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_ReDRuM_its in my xorg.conf if youve gone back to your one you should add it11:39
Kortorokay11:39
_ReDRuM_cause u should explicitly say one way or the other, off or on11:39
_ReDRuM_intel is the only thing that can possibly have it set to yes11:39
Kortorbtw, about the r200 think. in my xorg.conf under screen it says11:39
KortorDevice          "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR)"11:39
Kortorredrum, from yours it looks like i put it in device for the card? yes?11:41
_ReDRuM_yes11:41
_ReDRuM_you shoul dbe able to use that device secion from mine verbatim...11:41
_ReDRuM_might want to change the description to match yours11:42
_ReDRuM_and BusID11:42
_ReDRuM_the rest u could use without editing11:42
Kortormine doesnt have tv out and stuff11:42
_ReDRuM_ive got it all switched off anyway11:42
Kortormy card11:42
_ReDRuM_so it wouldnt matter11:42
Kortorah11:42
KortorOption          useinternalagpgart "yes"11:43
Kortorlike thaT?11:43
_ReDRuM_yeh11:43
_ReDRuM_but11:43
_ReDRuM_with "'s around it11:43
_ReDRuM_Option "UseInternalAGPGART"         "yes"11:43
Kortorsame erros11:44
_ReDRuM_pfft11:44
_ReDRuM_lsmod pci | grep agp11:44
Kortordoes capitalization amtter for tyhat?11:44
_ReDRuM_grep -i agp11:44
_ReDRuM_now it doesnt11:44
_ReDRuM_lsmod | grep -i agp11:45
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TestDummyEr, is there a way to make these GTK apps less ugly?12:00
TestDummyThis looks so tacky right now..12:00
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Tm_TTestDummy: try some other gtk engine/style12:01
TestDummyHow?12:01
Kortorredrum: no such luck12:01

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