[12:01] <KaiL> smouche: is it enabled for /dev/hda?
[12:01] <TayloR> in enabling it by typing hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd ( my cdroms hdd ) , will this always be in dma from now on even if i reboot? 
[12:01] <allee> KaiL: tell you're mam to connect to internet  and ask on irc channel (k)ubuntu.  What will she answer?
[12:01] <allee> smouche: add it to /etc/hdparm.conf
[12:02] <KaiL> allee: so it's over to you to discuss with the guys in #ubuntu-devel :)
[12:02] <smouche> whoa, good catch, allee -- I didn 't check that, thanks!
[12:02] <allee> smouche: tip:  dpkg -L  <pkg> is often your friend to discover goodies!
[12:03] <KaiL> but we also need a graphical installer for ndiswrapper-"modules" in knetworkconf..
[12:03] <smouche> thanks, allee -- TayloR - did you catch that about /etc/hdparm.conf?  
[12:03] <KaiL> just selecting the windows-driver on the cd *might* be ok
[12:04] <KaiL> at least for now
[12:04] <allee> KaiL: passing the mam test is a known criteria on -devel.  They work hard to achieve it.  But we know it a long way to go
[12:04] <smouche> thanks allee, I'll check dpkg -L <pkg>  -- you've made me curious...
[12:05] <KaiL> for now we should set the absolute minimum level to "problem can be solved here and doesn't need a gcc"
[12:05] <TayloR> sorry i was afk for a minute there
[12:05] <TayloR> reading up now 
[12:05] <KaiL> ...for *every* hardware problem, that is
[12:05] <TayloR> :)
[12:06] <TayloR> ok great, thanks smouche & allee
[12:06] <smouche> cheers, TayloR
[12:06] <cartel_> guys my kwallet is fucked
[12:06] <cartel_> nothing that tries to open it will even launch
[12:07] <KaiL> ..maybe this can get more people to ask about hardware, where they don't expect it to work
[12:07] <KaiL> like acpi, additional mouse buttons or hardware sensors
[12:07] <cartel_> tom       7693  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    09:45   0:00 [kwalletmanager]  <defunct>
[12:09] <TayloR> what would you suggest that i use for an msn chat client? currently im using kopete at the minute, any other ones out there that you might consider better than the one im currently using?
[12:09] <KaiL> what's so bad on msn?
[12:09] <cartel_> TayloR: amsn?
[12:09] <KaiL> eh, bad on kopete..
[12:09] <smouche> heh , thanks for "dpkg -L" , allee !  very cool!  
[12:10] <TayloR> ahh yeah amsn, thats the one, thanks Cartel
[12:10] <allee> smouche: yeap!
[12:10] <KaiL> ..anybody with problems left?
[12:11] <KaiL> I've lost the overview a bit :)
[12:11] <GilaMnstr> yeah why won't kde start if I change my default shell to tcsh :-)
[12:11] <smouche> TayloR, a lot of people seem to like Gaim, but the newest version isn't in the repos
[12:12] <KaiL> because it thinks, you are silly and it doesn't work with silly people :p
[12:12] <allee> GilaMnstr: check ~/.xsession-error
[12:12] <KaiL> ...other idea: #kde-devel
[12:12] <KaiL> I guess, that's a upstream bug
[12:13] <allee> Kail: no it's not.  I know some people using kde + tcsh  (but I refuse to speak with them ;)
[12:13] <kkathman> smouche:  Good day sir :)
[12:13] <TayloR> Ahh yeah, gaims the all in one client isnt it?
[12:13] <KaiL> allee: lol
[12:13] <GilaMnstr> allee: problem with setenv in ..xsession
[12:13] <smouche> hey, kkathman --
[12:13] <smouche> !
[12:13] <allee> GilaMnstr: your ~/.xsession?
[12:14] <smouche> kkathman, does Gaim work with msn?
[12:16] <kkathman> smouche: yes
[12:16] <GilaMnstr> allee: I switched back to bash so I don't have the exact message from ./xsession-errors but it had something to do with setenv
[12:16] <kkathman> but I switched to Kopete myself
[12:17] <smouche> hmm, which is preferable, Gaim or Kopete, in your view?
[12:17] <allee> GilaMnstr: well programed scripts should not depend at all on login shell,  but going back to bash is something I accept
[12:17] <smouche> how's your samba dancing going, kkathman?
[12:17] <kkathman> smouche: Personal preference...they both work well, Kopete has a skinniable interface, and some other neat features that Gaim doesnt
[12:18] <TayloR> how about your opinion on amsn over kopete kkathman? 
[12:21] <SuperCatFrog> taylor - some people just prefer amsn (my gf until she found out about kmail>kopete address book integration)
[12:21] <GilaMnstr> allee:  I'm just not sure what startup script is causing the problem.  
[12:21] <allee> GilaMnstr: you found a bug: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/61pgp-agent
[12:21] <SuperCatFrog> has anybody got vmware installed on kubuntu? im having problems with the headers (i'd rather not compile my own kernel because i was the kernel to be updatable by apt-get and i cant be bothered running make xconfig ; make bzImage, etc every so often)
[12:22] <allee> GilaMnstr: add -sh option and it should work
[12:22] <allee> GilaMnstr: or fail on the next bug :(
[12:22] <TayloR> ok thanks for the help :)
[12:22] <allee> someone care to file a bugreport?
[12:23] <kkathman> smouche: samba is great!
[12:23] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - nfs is better
[12:23] <kkathman> TayloR-Away:  not familiar with arnsn
[12:23] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - have a look at amsn.sf.net for more info
[12:23] <smouche> kkathman, I prefer the bossa nova, but anyway, hopefully you have plenty of both on that network jukebox of yours!
[12:24] <kkathman> lol
[12:24] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: thanks...I'll check it out....what are your thoughts on all three?
[12:25] <GilaMnstr> allee: yeah that is a wierd one... old habit from bsd days changing my shell to tcsh
[12:25] <smouche> what's the third, kkathman ?
[12:25] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: nfs isnt better....its harder to set up at least for me, and samba is becoming the standard according to alot of sources now
[12:26] <kkathman> smouche: amsn, gaim and kopete
[12:26] <smouche> oh, heh heh, thought you were talkin' samba, nfs, and ... bossa nova?
[12:26] <allee> GilaMnstr: well tcsh fine if you knows it already.   But recommending it to newbies is a bad thing.
[12:26] <smouche> ;-)
[12:26] <kkathman> rofl
[12:27] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - nfs is really easy to setup - ive never been able to get samba setup in linux (as a server)
[12:27] <kkathman> nah.. I mean some people swear by nfs, which is ok, but its hard to get set up
[12:27] <hinni> @kaiL What is the difference between nv and nvidia driver?
[12:27] <kkathman> lol SuperCatFrog I couldnt get nfs and had a breeze with samba
[12:27] <SuperCatFrog> i prefer kopete with its integration into the desktop environment, but i think it looks and feels so much nicer than the other two
[12:27] <KaiL> hinni: "nv" is 2D only (and normally much more stable)
[12:27] <GilaMnstr> allee: I'm an oldtimer in a sea of bash and zsh users
[12:28] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - i want to get away from samba as soon as possible (as soon as my gf's dad decides to go full time linux, i'l set him up with nfs shares, rather than smb shares)
[12:28] <KaiL> "nvidia" is the closed source driver from nvidia, which gies full 3D, but is sometimes unstable, as you might have already seen
[12:28] <hinni> @KaiL I changed it and it works It's just perfect for watching dvd's I don't need anything else... ;-)
[12:28] <allee> GilaMnstr: I used tcsh too but got frustrated with tcsh scripting, so I switch
[12:28] <KaiL> in short: if you don't need 3D, use "nv"
[12:28] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: I can see using nfs if you have only linux...but I have both ...and samba works on all of them
[12:28] <hinni> :o)
[12:28] <allee> GilaMnstr: btw. add --sh  to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/61pgp-agent  and you can login with tcsh as login shell.  Work for me ;)
[12:29] <smouche> Um, SuperCatFrog, is nfs compatible with smb-client, or do I need to have an nfs client to work with the server, ...?
[12:29] <kkathman> by the way SuperCatFrog if you need some "wont fail" steps to get Samba set up, I got em :)
[12:30] <SuperCatFrog> smouche -  icant remember, just google for nfs, you'l find a piece of piss guide
[12:30] <smouche> I know nothing about this networking stuff, so forgive me if I'm not even sure of the questions to ask...
[12:30] <thoreauputic> smouche: you need nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server
[12:30] <smouche> thanks, thoreauputic , and SuperCatFrog !
[12:30] <KaiL> kkathman: not to mention, samba is "sometimes" a bit better, if the server isn't 1000% stable
[12:30] <hinni> I did this, already, anyway: Although we didn't find the right solution now, I learned a little bit more and want to thank you for your support. And now I'll wish you a good night. ;-) 
[12:30] <SuperCatFrog> ive just remembered - i wont be going NFS, i'l be using fuse with sshfs is my informant from #gentoo-pub was telling the truth about the fuse patches being included in the 2.6.12 kernel
[12:30] <SuperCatFrog> *if my informant
[12:31] <thoreauputic> smouche: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/
[12:31] <kkathman> KaiL: yes, exactly
[12:31] <GilaMnstr> allee: thanks for the info, I'll try it out next time I login I guess :-)
[12:31] <KaiL> hinni: I think it's just some hardware incompatibility
[12:31] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know i am correct in thinking fuse is to be in the upstream kernel in 2.6.12?
[12:31] <KaiL> there were more than enough bugs in that chipset
[12:31] <KaiL> and now a rather new card -> bang
[12:31] <smouche> thanks, thoreauputic !  hey, you're the one to ask, 'cause you use a mac -- do either of both Samba and NFS work with macs on the network, too?
[12:32] <SuperCatFrog> nfs should work with mac - its unix
[12:32] <smouche> still thinking of getting a mac mini eventually...
[12:32] <SuperCatFrog> ignore me, i dont actually have a mac myself
[12:32] <thoreauputic> smouche: nfs is possible but tricky - samba is probably a better choice with macs
[12:33] <hinni> I think so too, but for my work and for DVD-stuff it's still alright. Thank you once again for your hints and Good night! CU!
[12:33] <KaiL> gn8 hinni 
[12:33] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: nfs works, but there are issues with uid incompatibilities and connecting to servers
[12:33] <smouche> cool!  thanks for the info, guys... once I dare to even boot my nasty, trashed windows box and get it working right again, I'll try this stuff out...
[12:34] <kkathman> smouche: at our level, samba I think is still our most friendly approach...I tried NFS at the request of someone...but later found out that there is lots to do on your win box
[12:34] <kkathman> so I just went back to samba and found it was alot easier
[12:35] <kkathman> thats just my own experience
[12:35] <kkathman> YMMV
[12:35] <thoreauputic> kkathman: nfs with windows is a nightmare, as far as I can see: theoretically possible but in no sense supported
[12:35] <thoreauputic> samba works with mixed networks
[12:36] <kkathman> thoreauputic: thats what I found out....nfs is great if all your hardware is recent and the OS is linux
[12:36] <thoreauputic> kkathman: yep
[12:37] <kkathman> thoreauputic: the nice thing is that samba takes relatively little to set up and EVERYTHING talks...and you can tweak security on read/write access...thats very hard to do in NFS especially across dissimilar platforms
[12:37] <thoreauputic> smouche: of course if you run only linux ppc on your macs, nfs is fine
[12:37] <SuperCatFrog> in response to my own question (incase anybody cares) fuse has been in -mm since 2.6.11, and is a candidate for vanilla for 2.6.12
[12:37] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: what's fuse?
[12:37] <smouche> great info, guys -- samba is definitely what I'll want then.
[12:37] <SuperCatFrog> usespace file systems, such as ftpfs and sshfs
[12:38] <SuperCatFrog> really really cool stuff
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kkathman: I'll have to look into samba - I've avoided it so far ( it reminds me of the dreaded Windows- pure prejudice on my part)
[12:40] <kkathman> thoreauputic: afraid that as long as I have a mixed network here, I have to use Windows, plus there are some things that open source hasnt tackled yet :)
[12:40] <kkathman> I'd switch everything to Linux if I could, but cant 
[12:41] <smouche> heh, kkathman, ironically enough, my main reason for holding on to windows is some open source stuff that hasn't been ported to linux yet!
[12:41] <thoreauputic> kkathman: sure - actually as I said, my avoidance of samba is absurd, since it's Andrew Tridgell's baby and he's a Linux Deity :)
[12:42] <kkathman> thoreauputic: its ok, its understandable..and smouche, yep same with me, Gimp isnt quite a replacement for Photoshop yet and there is no Flash creation tool for Linux..so thats 1/2 of my web business
[12:42] <thoreauputic> ... as well as being from the same country as me...
[12:42] <kkathman> but I do all my development now in Linux
[12:43] <kkathman> just the graphics stuff I do on Windows still
[12:43] <kkathman> and my music creation
[12:43] <kangpeh> there's no way, i take it, to theme a gtk app in KDE 3.4
[12:43] <kangpeh> ?
[12:44] <kangpeh> i was running ubuntu - and had my theme all setu in gnome - and i installed kde now
[12:44] <kangpeh> and any gtk app is fugly lol
[12:44] <smouche> for me, wonderful open source apps like Keynote (a kind of pim, free form rich text database thing) and foobar2000 - far and away the best music player, playlist organizer, audio converter etc etc around, are so far irreplaceable
[12:45] <smouche> some great programmers are working in windows environment, and simply haven't the time or the training to port the stuff
[12:48] <thoreauputic> if the source is available, can you think of reasons why linux/bsd people haven't ported these apps?
[12:48] <chavo_> kangpeh, apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, that will make your gtk apps look like QT apps.
[12:48] <smouche> They may not know about them, thoreauputic .  
[12:49] <thoreauputic> smouche: hmm...possible. Are they GPL ?
[12:49] <smouche> A lot of projects go a long time without revisions , as it is...
[12:51] <smouche> foobar2000, I don't know, thoreauputic ; keynote is listed on sourceforge, but I don't know the license.  Another favorite of mine, wxwikiserver, has recently been ported to linux; haven't tried it yet
[12:52] <thoreauputic> smouche: foobar2000 is "unfree" and binary-only - I just googled the license
[12:52] <cartel_> smouche: or likely they use another toolkit (msvc) that has no equivalent
[12:52] <smouche> anyway, ported or not, a lot of "windows" but not "microsoft" apps are so good, people should be cloning the hell out of them, feature-wise
[12:52] <cartel_> smouche: anyway amarok > foobar2000
[12:52] <cartel_> ;)
[12:52] <thoreauputic> agreed
[12:53] <thoreauputic> I mean agreed with " a lot of "windows" but not "microsoft" apps are so good, people should be cloning the hell out of them, feature-wise"
[12:53] <smouche> ok, mixing my free beer and free speech there a little, but the basic point stands--
[12:53] <smouche> amarok?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:53] <kangpeh> crap
[12:53] <smouche> have you tried foobar2000, cartel_?
[12:53] <cartel_> smouche: have you not discovered amarok yet?
[12:53] <kangpeh> synaptec
[12:53] <kangpeh> frozein
[12:53] <thoreauputic> amarok = KDE music player
[12:54] <cartel_> basically amarok shits on everything 
[12:54] <smouche> heh heh, you answer my question first, cartel_
[12:54] <KaiL> imho it rocks
[12:54] <cartel_> you can even use xmms visualisations with it
[12:54] <cartel_> :)
[12:55] <kangpeh> help
[12:55] <kangpeh> synaptec is frozen chavo_
[12:55] <kangpeh> what do i do (KDE)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> http://amarok.kde.org/
[12:55] <smouche> visualizations I don't need; foobar2000 is a different beast altogether.  And it somehow seems more "like linux" to me than amarok, totem, etc...
[12:55] <cartel_> smouche: i think rather than cloning apps, you should take them and say ok this app is cool and it has feature x, but how can i make something better?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: open konsole and run sudo killall synaptic
[12:56] <smouche> hard to explain unless you've used it.  Pity its closed source...
[12:56] <kangpeh> thoreauputic: huhu npotbad not bad
[12:56] <kangpeh> thank
[12:56] <cartel_> under windows it was winamp all the way for me
[12:56] <smouche> I hated winamp! cartel_!
[12:56] <chavo_> smouche, have you tried juk? It's a little less cluttered than amarok.
[12:57] <cartel_> smouche: a great example of that is k3b, it is really good, and imo better than nero
[12:57] <smouche> I'm trying em all; it's foobar2000's brilliant playlisting that I miss.
[12:57] <cartel_> whats so great about the playlisting?
[12:58] <kangpeh> how do i install winamp
[12:58] <cartel_> smouche: are you suggesting people should clone windows apps because you dont want to change your workflow to suit working on linux?
[12:58] <cartel_> kangpeh: apt-get install xmms
[12:58] <smouche> cartel_ this is pointless -- you'd have to try it.  If you're not running windows at all, no point.  If you do use windows, check it out.
[12:58] <kangpeh> what is xmms isnt that x multimedia thing
[12:58] <kangpeh> cartel_:  i want winamp :(
[12:58] <kangpeh> and microsoft office :(
[12:58] <cartel_> kangpeh: use wine or use windows then
[12:58] <cartel_> kangpeh: go away troll
[12:58] <kkathman> amarok is pretty close to winamp
[12:58] <kangpeh> what happens to all my windows software :(
[12:58] <kangpeh> cartel???
[12:58] <kangpeh> err that was rude :(
[12:59] <kangpeh> im not a troll... im actually 5'8!
[12:59] <cartel_> no its not, you are trolling
[12:59] <kangpeh> :(
[12:59] <kangpeh> please
[12:59] <smouche> cartel_, I think you're making unneccesary and argumentative assumptions about what I may be "suggesting", so drop it please
[12:59] <kangpeh> im new to ubuntu i installed it like few days ago
[12:59] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: xmms is a winamp clone
[12:59] <kangpeh> and now i just installed KDE
[12:59] <kangpeh> and im trying to make it work but - kde-look.org is down
[12:59] <kangpeh> so i can't get my macosx-like themes
[12:59] <kangpeh> but my gnome looks like mac os x
[12:59] <kangpeh> :(
[12:59] <kangpeh> but i want to use the wine like u say
[12:59] <kangpeh> but Substation Alpha doesn't wrok in wine
[12:59] <_ubuntu> baghira has its own website
[01:00] <kangpeh> also i want to know if i can play counterstrike in wine
[01:00] <cartel_> kangpeh: www.transgaming.com
[01:00] <kangpeh> $$$
[01:00] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: slow down, man
[01:00] <kkathman> kangpeh: you just installed, why not try to look around and see about things...there are LOTS of themes on line you can get too
[01:00] <cartel_> kangpeh: if you dont want to pay $5, then you need to do a lot of work
[01:00] <kangpeh> wait
[01:00] <kangpeh> brb cartel_...
[01:00] <kangpeh> im going to restart X-chat
[01:00] <kangpeh> because i instlaled ur gtk2-theme-for-qt program
[01:00] <kangpeh> brb
[01:01] <thoreauputic> he needs a tranquiliser shot...
[01:01] <kkathman> lol... the typical "I want my linux to be windows" mentality
[01:01] <cartel_> like that guy on slashdot
[01:01] <kkathman> if thats the case, why not stick with windows :)
[01:01] <SuperCatFrog> sounds more like "i want my linux to be windows and macosx"
[01:01] <thoreauputic> OMG where's my Start menu???!!!
[01:01] <cartel_> "until linux supports all my hardware and all my apps i wont consider it a real os"
[01:02] <cartel_> and someone posted a reply
[01:02] <smouche> jesus, chill out cartel_
[01:02] <kangpeh> omg
[01:02] <kangpeh> you dont even know how thankful i am
[01:02] <kkathman> cartel_: thats hilarious...until Windows supports all my linux software......lalalala
[01:02] <kangpeh> this gtk2-for-qt thing works
[01:02] <cartel_> "until windows supports my g5 and runs kde i wont consider it a real os"
[01:02] <kangpeh> how come its not installed by default
[01:02] <SuperCatFrog> because its unstable?
[01:02] <kangpeh> o.o;;; omfg its not stable
[01:02] <kangpeh> arrgh
[01:02] <kangpeh> cartel
[01:02] <chavo_> kangpeh, because most people use one desktop or the other.
[01:03] <kangpeh> VMWare runs well in windows
[01:03] <kangpeh> chavo: ahh
[01:03] <SuperCatFrog> dont quote me on that - im not sure its unstable
[01:03] <kangpeh> chavo:  but i love both u see
[01:03] <chavo_> No it's very stable.
[01:03] <thoreauputic> cartel_: well, you can run KDE on a G5, so 1 out of 2 ;)
[01:03] <kkathman> lol
[01:03] <chavo_> It works perfectly for me.
[01:03] <kangpeh> chavo:  but if i can make KDE look like mac os x
[01:03] <kangpeh> chavo: then obviuosly i will stick to kde u know
[01:03] <smouche> firefox runs better on windows than on linux!  now doesn't that just suck!
[01:03] <kangpeh> but if not - i'll have to go back to gnome
[01:03] <cartel_> oh god
[01:03] <kangpeh> cuz my gnome looks cool now
[01:03] <cartel_> another i want to have a mac but i cant afford one
[01:03] <SuperCatFrog> gnome looks cool?
[01:03] <smouche> kangpeh, take a pill, dude
[01:03] <kangpeh> cartel
[01:03] <kkathman> ROFL....why not use a Mac OS rofl
[01:03] <kangpeh> exactly - i can't afford mac
[01:03] <kangpeh> cartel:  do u know how poor i am?
[01:04] <cartel_> kangpeh: no but more importantly i dont care
[01:04] <kangpeh> cartel: do u know who i am
[01:04] <kangpeh> :|
[01:04] <cartel_> an annoyance
[01:04] <kangpeh> T_T
[01:04] <SuperCatFrog> lol
[01:04] <kkathman> oh no not that !!!!
[01:04] <kkathman> hahaha
[01:04] <kangpeh> cartel: i was going to donate
[01:04] <kangpeh> lots of money to ubuntu
[01:04] <kangpeh> but now im kind of disappointed
[01:04] <kangpeh> the support that im receiving from you...
[01:04] <kangpeh> its really mean.
[01:04] <chavo_> kangpeh, apt-get install kwin-baghira
[01:04] <kangpeh> :(
[01:05] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - just calm down, you'l be fine
[01:05] <kangpeh> i know but the thing is
[01:05] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: FYI the return key is not a substitute for syntax and punctuation
[01:05] <kkathman> thoreauputic: hehe
[01:05] <kangpeh> u see im getting lots of people to install this software (UBUNTU)
[01:05] <kangpeh> the only thing is - with KDE, how come i can't setup hot keys like in gnome - to control my volume with the keyboard for instance... i'd thought kde was more multimedia advanced then gnome o.o;;;;
[01:06] <kkathman> kangpeh: my 15 year old installed it and uses it without one single problem....hmmm
[01:06] <kangpeh> synaptic package manager in kde is buggy
[01:06] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - kmix > configure shortcuts
[01:06] <cartel_> kangpeh how can you donate lots of money when you are so poor
[01:06] <SuperCatFrog> i use my volume scroller to change the volume all the time 
[01:06] <kangpeh> cartel
[01:06] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: well if you find reproducible bugs, file them and help everyone
[01:07] <kangpeh> because i own www.deditech.com, www.aniport.com, www.fansubbers.com, etc?
[01:07] <kangpeh> ;p
[01:07] <kangpeh> because im not really poor maybe?
[01:07] <smouche> I recommend ignoring kangpeh, folks, till he realizes that he might actually learn something by reading the channel, 
[01:07] <smouche> if that's what he really wants
[01:07] <smouche> or she, whatever
[01:07] <chavo_> Yeah, he can learn how to be an ass.
[01:07] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: why is your personal wealth of interest to us?
[01:07] <kkathman> kangpeh:  you might want to try #kubuntu-devel then can take your suggestions and make things better :)
[01:08] <kangpeh> kmix configure shortcuts... doesn't have a volume control o.o;;;
[01:09] <smouche> heh, occurs to me, #kubuntu-devel is a channel I should lurk on -- with a sock in my mouth, heh heh...
[01:09] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - sorry, you have to rightclick on the mixer (master) and click configure shortcuts
[01:09] <kangpeh> question - is there a synaptic clone for KD.E?
[01:09] <smouche> kangpeh, there is no global sound control keybinding you can set
[01:09] <kkathman> well he seems to want to make development suggestions, rather than using whats there...he should tell those that can do something about it
[01:09] <smouche> as far as I know.
[01:10] <smouche> kkathman, he'll get kicked fast!
[01:10] <kkathman> kangpeh: why not use apt-get at the terminal?  its very reliable and never fails :)
[01:10] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - there is, you have to open kmix, right click the mixer and click configure shortcuts - i use my multimedia keyboards volume scroller thing all the time
[01:10] <kangpeh> kkathman:  im setting this computer up not for me
[01:10] <kangpeh> supercatfrog my man...
[01:10] <kangpeh> i went to configure shortcuts
[01:10] <kangpeh> and put custom
[01:10] <kangpeh> and then tried to use my multimedia keyboard control but it seems to be not reading it or something
[01:11] <kangpeh> do i have to actually get the 0x0000 <-- format address of the key
[01:11] <kangpeh> and type it in?  (cuz when i hit the key in gnome it gives that format)
[01:11] <SuperCatFrog> you need to setup your keyboard in kcontrol > regional > keyboard layout
[01:11] <kangpeh> some hexadecimal thingamijiggy u know
[01:11] <kangpeh> supercatfrog: i see, ur a genius
[01:11] <SuperCatFrog> i am, yes
[01:11] <smouche> Thanks, SuperCatFrog, I'll try that!
[01:12] <kangpeh> i figured out what the error was with synaptic
[01:12] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: see I told you you were a genius and you didnt believe me
[01:12] <kangpeh> if u open synaptic then look at another window
[01:12] <kangpeh> there was a 'dialog' box that was supposed to pop up
[01:12] <kangpeh> and because it doesn't pop up u can't do shit and u can't get to it either
[01:12] <kangpeh> so u just have to disable that dialog box
[01:12] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - yep, you're right - i am
[01:12] <kangpeh> or u have to make sure u look at it until it comes up and hit 'ok'
[01:12] <smouche> kangpeh, what, the password confirmation box?
[01:12] <kkathman> I had enough...its ignor time
[01:12] <kangpeh> not password cofnirmation
[01:12] <kangpeh> smouche: some kind of 'tip' or something
[01:12] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: you cn't have two apt instances running at once - the lock file prevents it
[01:13] <kkathman> rofl :)
[01:13] <kangpeh> not apt
[01:13] <kangpeh> im talking about something else
[01:13] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - syntaptic is a frontend to apt
[01:13] <kangpeh> yeah
[01:13] <kangpeh> i mean im not saying it was because i had two apt instances
[01:13] <smouche> you're talking about EVERything else... all at the same time!
[01:13] <chavo_> kangpeh, lineakd and lineak-kdeplugins will allow you to use multimedia keys.
[01:13] <kangpeh> im saying synaptic has some kind of dialog box with a "tip" when it comes up
[01:13] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: just slow down and read for a while... 
[01:13] <kangpeh> like a "Did you know... ?" type of thing u know but not literally those words :P
[01:14] <chavo_> kangpeh, Is it the password prompt?
[01:14] <kangpeh> and most of you guys probalby disabled it
[01:14] <SuperCatFrog> chavo_ - you dont need that, just setup the keytboard in the regional settings in kcontrol
[01:14] <kangpeh> chavo: let me check hold on let me open it agian
[01:14] <smouche> heh, this guy is like something out of a Philip K Dick novel...
[01:14] <idntical> evening all :)
[01:14] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: with the best will in the world , we can't help you unless you slow down and ask one thing at a time
[01:14] <kangpeh> ok, got it.
[01:14] <kangpeh> Quick Introduction <--
[01:14] <kangpeh> That thing comes up when you open synaptic...
[01:14] <kangpeh> If you have it disabled on startup - then you are fine.
[01:15] <kangpeh> However, if you don't - and then u open synaptic in kde - but then u click focus to another window prior to letting it open all the way and then try to go back...
[01:15] <kangpeh> the dialog box won't show and you are screwwed :|
[01:15] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: umm... you are perhaps a bit impatient?
[01:15] <SuperCatFrog> well disable the evil taskbar grouping, and you'l be fine
[01:16] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - rightclick the :: next to the taskbar and configure taskbar. then change "group similar tasks" to never
[01:16] <SuperCatFrog> thats one way around it
[01:16] <kangpeh> Ahh, you guys are more geniuses again.
[01:16] <kangpeh> ;p
[01:16] <SuperCatFrog> no no, just me 
[01:17] <smouche> SuperCatFrog, do I need to restart sound or something to get those shortcuts to work?  Nothing's working for me...
[01:17] <stelt> where to file bug about kynaptic? it's not in the list at bugs.kde.org
[01:17] <SuperCatFrog> for the humor impaired, i suppose i should point out that i dont think im a genious and my previous comment was a joke
[01:17] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - worked for me
[01:18] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - i didn't restart sound
[01:18] <smouche> hmmm...
[01:18] <SuperCatFrog> are you using the correct mixer? 
[01:18] <smouche> kmix?
[01:18] <kangpeh> what is the reasoning
[01:18] <kangpeh> behind why fedora core 3 is so freaking slow and ubuntu/kubuntu is so fast?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: It's OK - I *know* I'm the only genius here, so your comment *had* to be a joke ;-)
[01:18] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - you might also be interested in xosd
[01:18] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - hmmmm
[01:18] <thoreauputic> :D
[01:19] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - my modesty is just another aspect to my perfection
[01:19] <kangpeh> SuperCatFrog:  Let me test your skills.
[01:19] <smouche> I'm always interested in alternative sound stuff, SuperCatFrog ! great, thanks, I'll check it out.
[01:19] <SuperCatFrog> go on
[01:19] <thoreauputic> SuperCatFrog: yeah, i know - it's hard to be humble when you're perfect :)
[01:19] <kangpeh> SuperCatFrog:  What is the debconf() command or whatnot - that will allow me to choose which login manager (KDM/GDM/XDM) to use/
[01:19] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - xosd is an on screen display, it shows up the volume when you change it with your keyboard shortcut
[01:19] <kangpeh> SuperCatFrog:  Also, where does one set their DEFAULT Manager (Gnome/KDE/Failsafe/whatnot)
[01:20] <SuperCatFrog> thoreauputic - it is
[01:20] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - gimme a sec, i'd never used debian until monday (gentoo for ages before that, slackware before that)
[01:20] <kangpeh> supercatfrog: cool its all good
[01:20] <kangpeh> supercatfrog: the mere attempt to help me that you are showing makes me know that you are a superb person.
[01:21] <LeeJunFan> SuperCatFrog: I have no need for mandriva now :) I didn't realize kubuntu could resize fat/ntfs FS'es w/o data loss. Just did one of my other lappy's - resized ntfs and it's all good.
[01:21] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - /home/bob/.dmrc changes your default x session
[01:21] <SuperCatFrog> although you can do it from kdm (click session)
[01:22] <kangpeh> supercatfrog:  what about choosing from kdm/gdm/xdm/whatnot o.o;;
[01:22] <kangpeh> i was just looking and the reason that i think gnome (gtk) proggies are more abundant/popular is because its easier to code GTK than QT :(
[01:22] <kangpeh> and the QT licensing
[01:22] <SuperCatFrog> kangpeh - you'd have to remove kdm from startup (the only way i know of is to chmod a-x /etc/init.d/kdm) and install gdm (maybe hack the /etc/init.d/kdm script for gdm)
[01:23] <SuperCatFrog> you dont need gdm to use gnome
[01:23] <cartel_> kangpeh: gtk is not easier to code for than qt
[01:23] <kangpeh> o-o
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> cartel_: it's easier to find books/docs for.
[01:23] <SuperCatFrog> also, qt is supposed to be nicer to code for than gtk, just some people prefer the more liberal license (LGPL instead of GPL)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: the QT license used to be an issue
[01:23] <cartel_> qt trashes all other toolkits in terms of ease of code
[01:24] <cartel_> like the reference "pet shop" application
[01:24] <cartel_> vc.net uses 1/4 the code of java, and qt/cpp uses 1/4 of the code again :)
[01:24] <kangpeh> cartel
[01:24] <kangpeh> is there a laptop list perchance
[01:24] <allee> SuperCatFrog, kangpeh: AFAIR 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm'  asks is gdm or kdm should be used.  No hacks necessary. (ditto dpkg-reconfigre gdm)
[01:25] <kangpeh> that will show what laptops are compatible with unbutu/kubutn
[01:25] <kangpeh> ?
[01:25] <cartel_> kangpeh: i dont know sorry
[01:25] <kangpeh> cartel_: ahh
[01:25] <smouche> kangpeh, google, there is, there are
[01:25] <allee> kangpeh: search ubuntu wiki.   No problem to find it there
[01:25] <kangpeh> ahh
[01:25] <kangpeh> k BRB i must reb00t system...
[01:26] <kkathman> just to change the subject... does anyone know about or use kdewebdev??
[01:27] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - doesn't that contain quanta? if so, em
[01:27] <SuperCatFrog> *me
[01:27] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: well I already have quanta installed, but when I did an apt-cache to see if I had the latest, kdewebdev popped up and I dld it
[01:28] <SuperCatFrog> gimme a sec
[01:28] <SuperCatFrog> it says it includes: quanta, kfilereplace, kimagemapeditor, klinkstatus, kommander
[01:28] <SuperCatFrog> and kxsldbg
[01:29] <smouche> if anyone has any experience with  mono, let me know, would you? I have some questions, but they're not pressing...
[01:29] <foobar> has anybody been able to successfully install dvd::rip in ubuntu or kubuntu??
[01:30] <kkathman> oops Quanta just collided with the kicker  and its gone now  lol
[01:31] <kkathman> ouch.
[01:31] <foobar> hope you save :)
[01:31] <kkathman> nah I just typed "kicker" in the term and its back...not a prob
[01:31] <cartel_> foobar: use the marillat repositories?
[01:31] <foobar> cartel, i do..it fails
[01:33] <foobar> cartel_, you have it working?
[01:33] <cartel_> foobar: i havent tried sorry
[01:34] <smouche> kkathman, that reminds me, do you happen to know where, how, kicker config settings are saved exactly?
[01:34] <smouche> and can I back them up and restore them if my kicker gets trashed (happened before with upgrades...)
[01:34] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - probably ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker or ~/.kde/share/config/kicker
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> although you might as well just backup your ./.kde/
[01:35] <smouche> thanks, SuperCatFrog
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> s'ok
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> im off to bed
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> cya's
[01:35] <smouche> gight!
[01:36] <SuperCatFrog> (crappy british summer time making it be 00:35)
[01:36] <smouche> it's only 7:30 here, and I'm ready for a nap...
[01:37] <foobar> each dependancy fails on another dependancy...it like it just hates me :(
[01:39] <sorin> what file do you modify to make kynaptic show more packages?
[01:39] <smouche> ubuntu forums has a thread on your issue, foobar ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17758
[01:42] <kkathman> smouche: yeah the kicker settings are modified by the control center
[01:43] <smouche> kkathman, if I save that config, do you think I could just slap it into another user's setup?  I'd like to export my exact panel settings to kubuntu on another computer
[01:43] <smouche> or might there be ownership problems?
[01:44] <kkathman> smouche: also there are some settings you can do by right clicking the kicker
[01:44] <kkathman> smouche: hmm... good question...like anything in linux Im sure those parameters are in a text file somewhere
[01:44] <smouche> kkathman, er, I've got the kicker all set up, what I want to do is back it up and export the settings, but thanks!
[01:45] <kkathman> smouche: yep I understand...I guess fiddle with snooping around in the KDE directories
[01:45] <smouche> well, as SuperCatFrog said, it's prob in /kde/share/apps blah blah blah  -- Il save .kde, anyway...
[01:46] <kkathman> smouche: yeppers I knew theyd be somewhere over there
[01:46] <smouche> you see, I have very purty and practical panel! ;-)
[01:47] <smouche> er, panels!
[01:47] <kkathman> smouche: you could just back up all that directory and then plant it over on the other machine
[01:47] <smouche> yeah.
[01:49] <foobar> smouche, ty..i had not seen that one yet :)
[01:49] <kkathman> smouche...the files are in /etc/kde3 on my machine
[01:49] <smouche> kde3?  hmmm  -- checking...
[01:50] <kkathman> smouche: I'd say that if you back up /etc/kde3  then restore that over to your other machine you'd be ok, as long as you move any customizing you did...i.e. wallpapers
[01:51] <smouche> Thank you brother kkathman!  I didn't know about that directory!
[01:53] <smouche> hell of a lot of directories in linux distros, aren't there?
[01:54] <smouche> in windows, I assume directories are hidden for privacy and security, in linux I think have the time it's just to cut down on the visual confusion...!
[01:54] <smouche> er, "half the time".
[01:55] <smouche> heh, guess who's over romping in the #ubuntu channel?
[01:56] <kkathman> smouche...no problem sir
[01:56] <kangpeh> ...
[01:56] <kkathman> shhhh maybe he'll stay there
[01:56] <smouche> dude,
[01:56] <smouche> ?!
[01:56] <smouche> was that you, kkathman?
[01:56] <kkathman> thats why IRC channels have OPS most of the time, to kick the disrputers out
[01:56] <smouche> you look good in blue.
[01:57] <kkathman> me?
[01:57] <smouche> never mind, I thought you were messing with the colors or something...
[01:57] <kkathman> oh no not me
[01:57] <smouche> heh heh, x-chat is too freaking colorful
[01:58] <kkathman> lol
[01:59] <smouche> well now, I just realized that I've been emptying my ashtray into a new bag of groceries sitting on the floor, instead of into the garbage...
[01:59] <smouche> so I need to go and rinse the ashes off all the beefaroni cans...
[02:00] <kkathman> lol
[02:00] <smouche> so I'll catch you later, brother kkathman; hope I can look over your shoulder later for your next learning experience -- :-)
[02:00] <smouche> ciao
[02:00] <kkathman> ditto here sir...I'll be back later too, gotta choir rehearsal I have to go to :)
[02:03] <Octave_Octet> Hi
[02:05] <kangpeh> hi
[02:05] <stelt> kubuntu should make it easier to file bugs. like Help-->File Bug in KDE apps. the bug i wanted to report is that the confirm window of kynaptic is sized wrong, therefore the important buttons are not visible, so you don't know what's going on
[02:05] <Octave_Octet> What should I do if I want a package to be included in Kubuntu (it seems the developer already create Debian packages)
[02:07] <Octave_Octet> Stelt> You can file bugs from http://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org there is a Kubuntu entry
[02:13] <BlackLabel> is there any vpn software that will work with a .pcf config file
[02:15] <treke> pcf?
[02:15] <treke> Isn't that a window shortcut file?
[02:17] <boa> hello :)
[02:18] <Nomad^> i am having trouble with lockups, when i use konquerer to browse my filesystem the entire machine will simply lock-up
[02:19] <Nomad^> the logfiles has nothing at all, anyone else tried this?
[02:22] <boa> Nomad^: lockup = computer stall or locked files?
[02:35] <Nomad^> computer stall
[02:35] <Nomad^> i have to reboot it to get it to respond
[02:39] <CygnusX1> Has anyone discovered why Kubuntu failes to load IDE modules on some systems during installation yet?
[02:40] <kangpeh> nomad: what was you rproblem?
[02:41] <Nomad^> lockups when using konqueror to browse my filesystem
[02:41] <cooler> where do i found some amarok-engines ?
[02:43] <cooler> ops, find
[02:45] <CygnusX1> Alright.  Let's try this.  Is anyone using an ASUS A7N8x DEL that CAN install Kubuntu 5.04?
[02:46] <cooler> i'm using an asus a7n8x-x
[02:46] <cooler> and works fine
[02:47] <CygnusX1> cooler, does that have SATA?
[02:48] <CygnusX1> My ISO md5sum is good, md5sum of files on CD are good...during install, when it tries to find packages on the CD, it fails.  Complains that it cannot load various IDE modules.
[02:48] <CygnusX1> Tried booting from three different optical drives.
[02:52] <cooler> no SATA
[02:55] <delltony> question: the recent used files in like kplayer and things of that nature where is this informatino stored? cause i went to control panel and hit clean up and the recents still exist.
[02:55] <delltony> secondly is there a way to turn this feature off globally? even though i'm the only user of this pc i don't like track logs :)
[02:57] <smouche> I can't believe it, now kicker is seg-faulting...
[02:57] <Nomad^> mine wont go away, i'd be happy if it would crash now and then ;)
[02:58] <smouche> lol
[03:00] <delltony> anyone?
[03:01] <smouche> sorry, don't know, delltony.
[03:01] <delltony> thanks
[03:01] <delltony> closest i can find is ~/.recent-used
[03:04] <CygnusX1> Missing module 'ide-mod' ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy. Anyone?
[03:07] <smouche> is anybody else having problems with unstable keyboard shortcuts for the mixer app in the panel?   (the thing with the sliders, not the button in the tray)
[03:10] <CygnusX1> Can someone point me to the kubuntu technical channel?
[03:11] <jsgotangco> go to #kubuntu-devel
[03:12] <CygnusX1> Thank you.
[03:18] <cartel_> delltony: rc-update is a gentoo thing isnt it?
[03:18] <delltony> yeah
[03:18] <delltony> but whats the ubuntu equiv?
[03:19] <cartel_> delltony: you dont use it outside of gentoo..
[03:19] <cartel_> delltony: update-rc.d
[03:19] <delltony> ok thanks
[03:20] <delltony> little off topic but gmail hates me or something
[03:20] <cooler> what is it for? update-rc.d
[03:20] <delltony> two different computers with different ips i have curled the site on both an do data
[03:21] <delltony> cooler, for your startup aps
[03:21] <delltony> like apache
[03:21] <delltony> and mysql
[03:21] <delltony> and things like that 
[03:21] <delltony> at leas rc-update is i can't voice for update-rc.d yet haven't used it
[03:21] <theine> is it possible to install Kubuntu with debootstrap?
[03:22] <cooler> thanks
[03:22] <delltony> np
[03:22] <delltony> basically cooler  things that are in /etc/init.d/
[03:23] <delltony> like for instance on my server i don't want xdm to start automatically so i removed it from the rc thing
[03:31] <muzza> I have Ubuntu Warty installed.  am awaiting Hoary CD.  What software is on Kubuntu CD that's different to Ubuntu CD? Is K3b and Firefox installed?
[03:37] <jsubl2> k3b is there.  you have to apt-get firefox
[03:40] <Zugot> that k3b sucks
[03:40] <Zugot> i built my own
[03:40] <Zugot> you pretty much have to if you want to burn mp3s
[03:40] <jsubl2> burning mp3 is the only thing it lacks i believe..
[03:41] <muzza> I need a CD/DVD burner and an MP3 encoder, what do you suggest?
[03:41] <jsubl2> http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:44] <delltony> this is strange and got me puzzled. i can access gmail on a windows 2k system on the same network but can't access it on this linux box, or my other linux box. strange
[03:44] <sorin> hi
[03:44] <delltony> howdy
[03:45] <muzza> jsubl2, I went to the ubuntuguide, did a search for MP3 and got nothing.
[03:45] <sorin> the window decoration have crashed
[03:45] <sorin> which exe launches those?
[03:45] <jsubl2> muzza: sorry.. don't know then
[03:45] <sorin> titlebars
[03:46] <muzza> What CD/DVD burners do people use/prefer with Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[03:46] <cartel_> muzza: k3b
[03:47] <muzza> Zugot reckons it sucks.  Didn't say why
[03:47] <cartel_> who is zugot?
[03:47] <cartel_> Zugot: you suck!
[03:47] <cartel_> k3b is a work of art
[03:47] <muzza> No idea, he answered my question few lines up
[03:48] <cartel_> Zugot: my k3b works with mp3
[03:49] <cartel_> from ubuntu
[03:49] <muzza> Cartel, can you encode MP3 with it?  Do you know of an MP3 encoder?
[03:49] <cartel_> muzza: i use kde for ripping.. audiocd kioslave
[03:50] <muzza> ?? I'm new at this, don't understand
[03:50] <cartel_> muzza fire up konqueror, go to the services sidebar, there you will see the 'Audio CD Browser' that allows you to convert to ogg
[03:50] <cartel_> or mp3..
[03:50] <cartel_> or wav..
[03:51] <muzza> I'm using Ubuntu, trying to find out the differences between the 2.  So I'm still using Gnome and the basic stuff that came on Warty CD
[03:51] <muzza> Do you recommend Kubuntu?
[03:52] <cartel_> i use kubuntu, because i like kde
[03:52] <cartel_> try both and see which you like more
[03:52] <muzza> what's audiocd kioslave?
[03:52] <cartel_> kbuuntu is less crippled than ubuntu it seems, the restrictedformats thing gets way up my nose
[03:52] <cartel_> muzza the kde interface for audio cds..
[03:53] <cartel_> audiocd:/...
[03:53] <jsubl2> muzza: mp3 has been an issue on several distro's for along time.. why not convert to ogg.  they sound just as good
[03:53] <muzza> would it be possible to run them side by side - a tripleboot with Windoze, Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[03:53] <cartel_> it is possible..
[03:54] <muzza> jsubl2; is ogg as widely useable as MP3?
[03:54] <jsubl2> muzza: that statement is to broad for me to answer.
[03:54] <cartel_> jsubl2: the ipod does not support ogg
[03:54] <jsubl2> right
[03:54] <cartel_> the ipod is also a peice of crap
[03:55] <cartel_> www.neurosaudio.com
[03:55] <jsubl2> muzza: depends on where you are using mp3's
[03:55] <cartel_> ogg sounds better
[03:55] <muzza> Cartel; could Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same /home?
[03:55] <cartel_> muzza: certainly
[03:55] <darkaudit> muzza: why not simply choose the KDE session v. GNOME at login?
[03:56] <muzza> I don't use an iPod.  Just want to shrink music and share ideas with a muso friend.
[03:56] <cartel_> jsubl2: the restricted formats thing sux... it is only because people are fearful of patents.. why do we lock out mp3 as a restricted format but include samba in the mainline distro????
[03:56] <Brazmetal> hi
[03:56] <jsubl2> cartel_: excelent question.
[03:56] <cartel_> for that matter, the linux kernel is supposed to violate over 200 patents..
[03:57] <Brazmetal> My network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?
[03:57] <jsubl2> cartel_: if you use on of the  distros not aimed commercial.. they generally don't have the mp3 issue
[03:57] <muzza> darkaudit; didn't know that was possible
[03:57] <darkaudit> muzza: at the login screen, click on Session :)
[03:59] <muzza> Are all the apps useable on both desktops?  I've had trouble getting K3b to work in Gnome
[03:59] <CygnusX1> ssh 192.
[03:59] <darkaudit> muzza: should be... I just burned a couple DVDs w/ K3b while in GNOME
[04:00] <muzza> Thanks for your help everyone.  this was my first venture in here.  I've gotta go feed my sick 2yo son.  I'll be back.
[04:01] <muzza> How do I log out?
[04:01] <darkaudit> muzza: what client are you running?
[04:02] <muzza> One last question,  Why are some of the users in the left column in bold yellow? And I'm using X-Chat
[04:02] <darkaudit> muzza: you mean like this? It means someone is taling to you :)
[04:02] <Tm_T> hi
[04:03] <darkaudit> and you should just need to do File->quit
[04:03] <muzza> what's taling? and how does one do it?
[04:03] <darkaudit> er talking
[04:03] <membreya> O/ Tm_T 
[04:03] <smouche> hello Tm_T
[04:03] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> is it just me or does it seem that there are a lot of library links missing for stuff? ie. libXmu.so.6.2 is there but there's no link for libXmu.so pointing to it, so apps dont find the library.
[04:03] <Tm_T> it's 5am :/
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> no, it's 10pm.
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:04] <darkaudit> muzza: most clients will let you start to type in a nick, and hit tab... it will auto complete... like irssi did at the start of this line
[04:04] <Tm_T> eh
[04:04] <smouche> yeah, it's 10pm.  Reset your clock, Tm_T.!
[04:04] <Tm_T> =)
[04:04] <CygnusX1> I need kubuntu to pass its hostname to the DHCP server...I have poked around a good bit and cannot find where to put this.
[04:05] <Tm_T> eh, hostname to dhcp?
[04:05] <muzza> How do you specifically talk to someone?  It's a good idea for finding my thread when it gets busy
[04:05] <Tm_T> I thought dns handle those
[04:05] <Brazmetal> My network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?
[04:06] <jsubl2> CygnusX1: man interfaces
[04:06] <CygnusX1> Tm_T, I am using IPCOP firewall...I need kubuntu to pass the hostname when requesting an address so that IPCOP has it's name-IP mapping.
[04:06] <Tm_T> ah, ok
[04:06] <Tm_T> well, I try to sleep some more, so, see ya ->
[04:07] <darkaudit> muzza: just type the person's nick at the start of the line... (I typed muz<tab> and irssi filled in the rest)
[04:07] <muzza> darkaudit, wicked
[04:08] <muzza> darkaudit, thanks mate, bye
[04:13] <smouche> Tm_T, have a good day...
[04:25] <Chin2> hello blenderhead
[04:43] <CygnusX1> Where does kubuntu store packages I retrieve with kynaptic?
[04:44] <CygnusX1> Also, is there a kubuntu manual somewhere in the distro?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i think there's a good intro in the kubuntu wiki
[04:48] <jsgotangco> but for an actual manual, i dont think its done yet since kubuntu is just a new release
[04:48] <Chin2> you mean where does the installed software go?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> the manual?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> im not sure there is a manual yet
[04:48] <jsgotangco> (for kubuntu)
[04:48] <CygnusX1> Chin2, no, I want to keep the packages so I don't have to redownload them.  If I like this, I will be adding kubuntu to a couple more machines.
[04:49] <CygnusX1> jsgotangco, does ubuntu have a manual? (Probably good for console stuff)
[04:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:50] <jsgotangco> download ubuntu-docs package
[04:50] <Chin2> CygnusX1, sorry, no idea, feel bad that you use kynaptic though :)
[04:50] <CygnusX1> jsgotangco, thank you
[04:50] <jsgotangco> CygnusX1, there is no kubuntu manual yet, checked the repos Sean is still working on it as I will be involved in the kubuntu manual as well
[04:51] <CygnusX1> Chin2, This is my first foray into debian like OS (other than some knoppix use)  I am a Slacky at heart :-)  and have used Redhat before.
[04:51] <jsgotangco> but if you an make up one, you're more than welcome to
[04:51] <Chin2> I use synaptic, I like it better than kynaptic
[04:51] <Chin2> I think you can get synaptic using kynaptic :)
[04:51] <jsgotangco> yes, kynaptic is very much a baby at the moment
[04:51] <CygnusX1> Chin2, I will grab synaptic now and check it out.  Kynaptic seemed to not provide much info :-)
[04:51] <jsgotangco> synaptic is much better atm
[04:54] <dhanish> hi all
[04:54] <Brazmetal> My network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Does anyone have da same problem?
[04:54] <Chin2> hi danish
[04:54] <dhanish> kubuntu just made ubuntu better :)
[04:54] <Brazmetal> My network just works with dhcp... manual setting doesn't work at all... Can anyone help me?
[04:54] <Chin2> Brazmetal, there is a post in the forum about this
[04:55] <Chin2> go to ubuntuforums.org > kubuntu area
[04:55] <CygnusX1> Ahhh!! This is much better.
[04:55] <Chin2> Brazmetal -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26432
[04:55] <dhanish> i tried searching for this but...wanted to know hot completely rid of gnome...i installed kubuntu-desktop and all is well and want to get rid of gnome and related apps...any help?
[04:55] <CygnusX1> Chin2 and jsgotangco: Thank you both
[04:56] <Chin2> no prob, I'm pretty new to this too :)
[04:56] <Brazmetal> Chin2, eheheh this post is mine...
[04:56] <Chin2> doh
[04:57] <Chin2> Brazmetal, did others already ask you to try manual configuration using another LiveCD/
[04:57] <Chin2> ?
[04:58] <Chin2> oh, I see it's specific to Kubuntu.
[04:58] <Brazmetal> Chin2,  are you asking if i had used another distro?
[04:58] <Chin2> yeah...you have, right?
[04:58] <Brazmetal> of course
[04:58] <Chin2> okay, that's what I thought. Can't help you, sorry
[04:58] <Brazmetal> I was using Kubunti RC
[04:58] <Brazmetal> and it was working ok
[04:59] <Chin2> strange.
[04:59] <Brazmetal> I upgraded to kubuntu final (clean install) and I've got this problem
[04:59] <dhanish> anyone with any ideas as to what packages should i remove to get rid of gnome?
[05:03] <Chin2> dhanish, do you know how to uninstall? are you wanting package names?
[05:04] <dhanish> yea just package names
[05:05] <dhanish> i suppose i can just query *gnome* in kynaptic?
[05:05] <dhanish> but was wondering any other packages such as gdm and so on
[05:06] <Riddell> dhanish: apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0
[05:06] <dhanish> isnt that required for firefox?
[05:06] <dhanish> i want to keep firefox
[05:06] <Riddell> yes, but not for Konqueror
[05:06] <Chin2> don't you need gtk for Gimp?
[05:07] <Riddell> yes
[05:07] <dhanish> i am trying right now to install ubuntu-desktop and then going to see if removing that will remove gnome stuff...and still maintain the libs
[05:07] <Riddell> dhanish: it won't
[05:07] <smouche> it seems to me several folders in kubuntu-desktop install had "gnome" in the name; don't know for what purpose...
[05:08] <Riddell> smouche: shouldn't do
[05:08] <dhanish> i'm satisfied with kde for most part so just trying to clean up and remove unwanted gnome stuff...for most part
[05:09] <dhanish> crap i installed ubuntu-desktop and removing it didnt help...hrm maybe i'm better off with clean install using kubuntu install cd?
[05:09] <smouche> damn, why won't kde remember my keybindings!!
[05:10] <smouche> ubuntu-desktop wouldn't remove anything, would it?  people use it to add kubuntu to hoary with gnome, don't they?
[05:11] <smouche> oops,
[05:11] <smouche> sorry , I'm an idiot
[05:12] <smouche> thought you said "kubuntu-desktop"  - wrong meta package! doh!
[05:12] <dhanish> smouche: no i just tried removing ubuntu-desktop and but it removed nothing
[05:12] <dhanish> err n/m
[05:12] <smouche> anyway, dhanish, removing the metapackage isn't supposed to remove files
[05:13] <dhanish> heh...yeh...learned something new today
[05:13] <smouche> it's only purpose is for what it depends on-- 
[05:13] <dhanish> so any ideas as to what i can do to remove gnome from my ubuntu
[05:13] <dhanish> or should i just clean install kubuntu?
[05:13] <dhanish> i hate mixing things up
[05:13] <Chin2> if you're not too far along, dhanish, I would clean install
[05:13] <smouche> wish I knew, 'cause sometimes I try out gnome apps, then remove them, but I guess other stuff remains behind...
[05:15] <phxguy> anyone know hopw long kdelook is gonna be down?
[05:15] <dhanish> yea....gnome was nice but then kde 3.4 just blew me away....was everything i needed minus firefox...wish someone made a kde/qt version of firefox
[05:15] <phxguy> i agree dhanish 
[05:15] <phxguy> wish there was a qt version of firefox
[05:15] <smouche> i think naming the meta-packages like that is misleading... wouldn't "ubuntu-meta-install" or something be clearer?  I mean, of course people will think
[05:16] <smouche> that if you remove "ubuntu-desktop"
[05:16] <smouche> you're removing the ubuntu desktop!
[05:16] <dhanish> yes i agree smouche 
[05:17] <dhanish> maybe they can make a way to remove packages using meta install package....even if thats possible...newbie talking here ;)
[05:18] <smouche> some kind of app to remove those dependencies, if nothing else needs them, would be great... maybe there is some way we newbies don't know about yet!
[05:19] <dhanish> yea....there must be way....sounds like something many people would want to do
[05:20] <smouche> dhanish, burn it slow...
[05:20] <dhanish> with a 52x...why would i do that...oh wait i mean on 24x cdrw...slow enough?
[05:21] <smouche> uh, I had problems with my hoary cd's unless I burned them at slowest possible speed, (using nero on windows...) your mileage of course may vary...
[05:22] <dhanish> never had probs like that
[05:23] <dhanish> is there a dock type of app for kde? sorta like yzdock/objectdock from windows...
[05:23] <Chin2> yeah, get superkaramba and go to kde-look
[05:24] <Chin2> there are docks for it
[05:24] <dhanish> kde-look is down right now..i did a search on google and most of it lead there but its down right now :-/
[05:26] <dhanish> before i burn...anyone know the md5sum for kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso/
[05:26] <dhanish> n/m
[05:26] <smouche> dhanish, what irc client are you using?
[05:27] <dhanish> konversation
[05:27] <smouche> can you do automatic logging of these channels?  very useful; folks are very informative on here!
[05:28] <dhanish> yea...i will after the clean install of kubuntu.
[05:28] <dhanish> sorry if i am getting annoying ;)
[05:28] <Chin2> no, it's nice that someone is actually using the channel
[05:28] <Chin2> :)
[05:29] <smouche> dhanish, you're not annoying!
[05:29] <Chin2> to log in Konversation I think you hit Ctrl+O
[05:29] <smouche> not yet anyway
[05:29] <smouche> ;-)
[05:29] <dhanish> hehe....i can already feel the love :P
[05:30] <smouche> ain't it great?
[05:30] <dhanish> yep yep :)
[05:32] <smouche> I mostly lie in wait to pounce on useful info that other people get by asking the questions I'm too ignorant even to phrase correctly...
[05:34] <smouche> best thing for me about kde so far, I can run a lot of stuff at once with 512 Mb ram...  windows would be locking up on all this...
[05:35] <dhanish> yea...i tried kde before and found it slow but that was like before kde 3.....kde 3.4 just kicks ass...it can only get better from what i see
[05:35] <Chin2> smouche, I feel the exact same way, esp. wrt 3D renders
[05:35] <dhanish> gnome is nice but i like functional desktop...
[05:36] <smouche> Chin2, it occurs to me I probably don' t have 3D -- i need to check my driver!  
[05:36] <smouche> things are running so smoothly, I kinda don't want to mess with the nvidia driver yet...
[05:37] <Chin2> I installed it without a hitch - you should try it :)
[05:38] <smouche> you're talking about a proprietary driver, right?  is this it (reading from synaptic) --
[05:39] <smouche> NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[05:39] <smouche> shouldn't that be "xorg", not XFree?
[05:39] <smouche> or does it matter?
[05:40] <Chin2> um, sure, all I know is it's just as fast as windows :)
[05:40] <Chin2> render's done
[05:40] <Chin2> http://img51.echo.cx/my.php?image=kubuntu5yj.jpg
[05:40] <smouche> Chin2, I mean, nvidia-glx
[05:40] <Chin2> yeah, that sounds familiar
[05:41] <Chin2> there's this huge nvidia splash screen when I start up now :)
[05:41] <smouche> hey, cool graphic, Chin2
[05:41] <Chin2> it's kind of like, welcome to NVIDIA!
[05:41] <Chin2> thanks
[05:41] <smouche> hah hah!
[05:41] <smouche> yeah, I think I was reading comments somewhere on how you turn that off!
[05:42] <smouche> I usually hate splash screens -- xine-ui had an annoying one; for some reason I like stream-tuners!
[05:43] <Chin2> yeah, if they're cool then I'm fine with them.
[05:43] <smouche> Chin2, get "Lost" - ;-)  I missed a couple  episodes of 24, and I'm pissed...
[05:43] <CygnusX1> I am sorry...I forgot who told me this, but, I asked:  I need kubuntu to pass its hostname to the DHCP server...they said : man interfaces.
[05:43] <Chin2> did you do it?
[05:44] <Chin2> you know what "man interfaces" means?
[05:44] <CygnusX1> I have read it and peeked at /etc/network/interfaces and I cannot figure out what to do.
[05:44] <D_F> Does anyone here have Teamspeak working in 5.04?
[05:44] <smouche> the man pages are not that easy.
[05:44] <CygnusX1> Chin2, Roger.
[05:44] <smouche> for me anyway
[05:45] <D_F> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 5.04, and Teamspeak just will not start!
[05:45] <CygnusX1> Well, I gather I need to pass a -hostname NEPTUNE parameter in the DHCP client command...but, iface is not one of the named items in that man page.
[05:50] <Tm_T> hullo
[05:53] <dhanish> has anyone tried kanotix...compared to kubuntu?
[05:53] <Tm_T> kanotix?
[05:53] <dhanish> its another distro
[05:54] <Tm_T> ok, what kind of?
[05:54] <Chin2> it's a knoppix derivative, right?
[05:54] <dhanish> seems like its based off knoppix
[05:54] <dhanish> yeh
[05:55] <Tm_T> ok
[05:55] <Tm_T> heh
[05:57] <dhanish> shoot forgot to check verify data when burning in k3b...anyway to verify burned cd again
[06:04] <Chin2> how do I partition my ext3 into ext3 + fat32 from Kubuntu?
[06:04] <Chin2> I need sharing space for this dual boot box.
[06:05] <dhanish> not sure i usually use pqmagic from windows to do it
[06:05] <dhanish> but maybe you can try qtparted?
[06:06] <dhanish> i forget if it resizes ext3 parts
[06:06] <reagleBRKLN> is kmail not in the kmenu?
[06:06] <Chin2> do I need to do the equivalent of defragging or anything?
[06:06] <Chin2> reagle, you mean Kontact?
[06:07] <dhanish> shouldnt need to
[06:08] <markc> I notice the grub menu.lst has an initrd listing but there is no real_root + init options so it's not being used... anyone know why an initrd file is created at all ?
[06:08] <dhanish> Chin2: http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/features.en.html no resizing with qtparted for ext3....you'll have to try another method
[06:09] <Chin2> dang, I have no idea what other methods exist :)
[06:09] <Chin2> I guess I could resize my NTFS partition?
[06:11] <markc> Chin2: Partition Magic might work
[06:11] <dhanish> or you can use some live cd and then i think there is like ext3resize command....or was is it ext2resize...i dont remember which one
[06:11] <dhanish> but easy way out is partition magic
[06:12] <Chin2> okay, thanks
[06:12] <dhanish> anyhow off to doing a clean install of kubuntu ...wish me luck
[06:12] <dhanish> thanks for the help guys
[06:16] <Tm_T> :)
[06:17] <kkathman> evening all or whatever it is where you are :)
[06:18] <Tm_T> =)
[06:18] <Tm_T> it's early morning here :)
[06:18] <kkathman> morning Tm_T  :)
[06:19] <kkathman> late night here :)
[06:19] <Tm_T> heh
[06:19] <eazel7> hi ppl
[06:20] <eazel7> I can't run as root anything from my recently installed kubuntu
[06:20] <Tm_T> eh?
[06:20] <eazel7> (note: used debootstrap)
[06:20] <eazel7> Tm_T: from kde
[06:20] <eazel7> from kde
[06:20] <eazel7> like administration mode of kdm kcm module
[06:21] <kkathman> root? there isnt a root in ubuntu :)
[06:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes there is
[06:21] <eazel7> or kuser
[06:21] <kkathman> well, not in the purest sense
[06:21] <kkathman> you can "assume" the root
[06:21] <eazel7> kkathman: sudo passwd and set it's password and log in as root
[06:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes there are, it is just not enabled
[06:21] <kkathman> correct
[06:21] <Tm_T> :)
[06:22] <eazel7> well
[06:22] <eazel7> the thing is... what I have to do is... (drums...)
[06:22] <eazel7> :-P
[06:22] <Tm_T> err
[06:22] <eazel7> (trrrrrrrr) grown answer
[06:22] <Tm_T> =)
[06:23] <eazel7> really, that thing is a little very messy to me
[06:23] <eazel7> do you have any idea about that?
[06:24] <Tm_T> nope
[06:24] <Tm_T> 'ntil I get some coffee :p
[06:24] <eazel7> isn't there any 'wheel' group?
[06:24] <kkathman> nope I'm still back on trying to figure out how to activate the root :)
[06:24] <kkathman> lol
[06:24] <Tm_T> haha
[06:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: "sudo passwd"
[06:25] <eazel7> haha
[06:25] <kkathman> yeah but what does that do really?
[06:25] <Tm_T> runs "passwd" as a root
[06:25] <Tm_T> so, you can "change" root password
[06:25] <kkathman> cuz you can do sudo su and that makes you superuser
[06:25] <Tm_T> eh
[06:26] <Tm_T> I use separate desktop to all my root konsole ;p
[06:26] <kkathman> Tm_T: and again, I ask....why?
[06:26] <Tm_T> because
[06:26] <kkathman> ohhh ok I see well in that case it makes sense I guess
[06:26] <eazel7> sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[06:26] <eazel7> postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[06:26] <Tm_T> =)
[06:27] <eazel7> what do you think about those messages?
[06:27] <kkathman> just seems silly, cuz you need root only to do root things...and you can do those by just using sudo, so why bother?
[06:27] <Tm_T> eh
[06:27] <kkathman> unless you just feel deprived of not having a root account :)
[06:27] <Tm_T> because I do lot's of things as a root, and not in only this box
[06:28] <kkathman> what can you do as root, that you cant using sudo?
[06:28] <Tm_T> eh, you like type sudo all the time?
[06:28] <kkathman> or do you just not like typing "sudo" over and over :)
[06:28] <Tm_T> yes
[06:28] <eazel7> Tm_T: sudo bash
[06:28] <Tm_T> plah
[06:28] <kkathman> ahhh ok theres the rub then :)
[06:28] <kkathman> ok
[06:28] <kkathman> he he
[06:29] <kkathman> I thought I was like missing something there
[06:29] <eazel7> kkathman: you still typed sudo all the time
[06:29] <Tm_T> there's no reason not to have root account
[06:29] <eazel7> well, anyway, I like being root
[06:29] <eazel7> not assuming root
[06:29] <kkathman> I know that, ubuntu is like the only distro that disables it :)
[06:29] <kkathman> but hey, Im kewl with that :)
[06:29] <eazel7> debian-kfreebsd does it too, isn't it?
[06:30] <eazel7> or bsds doesn't have root?
[06:30] <kkathman> really?
[06:30] <kkathman> hmm
[06:30] <Tm_T> yes, 'cause newbies can't handle root privileges ;p
[06:30] <Tm_T> eh eh
[06:30] <kkathman> but I still use Terminal (gnome) on my kde desktop, so go figure
[06:30] <Tm_T> haha
[06:30] <Tm_T> heh
[06:31] <kkathman> by the way, you can get to root by clicking on "root terminal" in the KDE menus
[06:31] <Tm_T> my first install was a year ago
[06:31] <kkathman> but Im sure you know that
[06:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, but if somebody come use your computer? you might wan't a separate root password ;)
[06:32] <kkathman> true, but aint no one here that uses my computers anyway but me :)
[06:32] <Tm_T> =)
[06:35] <eazel7> well guys
[06:35] <eazel7> gotta sleep some day this week
[06:35] <eazel7> 2hs at day seems unhealtly to my doctor
[06:36] <eazel7> see you around!
[06:37] <kkathman> I must be doing something wrong, or the settings in KONSOLE dont work
[06:39] <Tm_T> eh?
[06:39] <kkathman> ahh never mind
[06:39] <kkathman> lol
[06:40] <Tm_T> lol?
[06:41] <guran> Hi - I am new to IRC, and have just installed Kubuntu, half an hour ago, and I am looking for LyX
[06:44] <kkathman> konsole is kinda freakin me out
[06:49] <kkathman> guran:  Looking for what?? LyX ?
[06:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: konsole <3
[06:52] <guran> Thanks, my first answer. Yes I have looked at google and found that LyX may be installed in Ubuntu, but seem to be missing in Kubuntu. I am just wondering wh?
[06:54] <guran> Sorry, I forgot a y, meaning why? There seam to be a lyx-qt, which ought to be easaly installed.
[06:54] <kkathman> Tm_T: whats that?  konsole < 3
[06:54] <kkathman> guran: what do you need it for?
[06:55] <guran> kkathman: to write scientific texts
[06:56] <kkathman> guran: if you need it, I think its a word processor...just go to a terminal, do a sudo apt-get update, then a sudo apt-get install lyx
[06:56] <kkathman> guran: or.... sudo apt-get install lyx-qt (for the qt frontend)
[06:57] <guran> kkathman: Thanks, I will try that.
[06:57] <kkathman> guran: no prob, good luck
[07:00] <guran> kkathman: The package was missing, and I have found a letter on google saying that it was a package that was asked by other users. So I will have to wait.
[07:01] <kkathman> ahh ok..sorry bout that
[07:02] <Tm_T> kkathman: <3 = heart ;p
[07:03] <guran> kkathman: Thanks, IRC is really nice, bye from me.
[07:03] <kkathman> cya 
[07:04] <kkathman> wow KDE_LOOK.org is STILL down...what are they doing? Rewriting it?
[07:04] <Tm_T> =)
[07:25] <kkathman> hey smouche 
[07:25] <kkathman> Tm_T: what does konsole<3 mean?
[07:26] <Tm_T> <3 means love/like
[07:26] <Tm_T> you got it?
[07:26] <kkathman> ohhh i get it
[07:26] <kkathman> ;p;
[07:26] <Tm_T> =)
[07:26] <kkathman> lol
[07:26] <kkathman> the themes are a bit weak
[07:26] <Tm_T> ?
[07:27] <kkathman> kewl trick in getting the root account back tho...neat
[07:27] <Tm_T> ok, gotta load some kernel modules then ->
[07:27] <kkathman> ewww
[07:30] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed a bootsplash like from bootsplash.de?
[07:33] <Tm_T> nope
[07:34] <Tm_T> nah, I did something wrong, the module didn't loaded :/
[07:35] <BlackLabel> yea
[07:35] <BlackLabel> i tried but all i got was a blank screen 
[07:38] <Tm_T> I wan't sshfs w/ automount =)
[08:13] <delltony> i have a question how do you block a ip perminately ? i know you can do iptables -A INPUT -s <IP> -j DROP  but that is only temp. will creating a file /etc/host.deny and adding the ip to it work?
[08:15] <crimsun> delltony: /etc/hosts.deny only works with daemons compiled with tcp wrappers support
[08:16] <crimsun> delltony: it's safer to use iptables+netfilter
[08:16] <delltony> netfilter an ap? if not could you kindly give an example?
[08:16] <crimsun> an IP
[08:17] <crimsun> like you stated above
[08:17] <delltony> but its temp, have to do it each time?
[08:22] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed a bootsplash like from bootsplash.de?
[08:23] <verden01> hey BlackLabel 
[08:23] <BlackLabel> hey verden01 
[08:23] <verden01> does anyone know how to get ATI Radeon drivers to work?
[08:23] <verden01> hey
[08:24] <BlackLabel> i've tried, with no luck
[08:24] <verden01> ok
[08:24] <verden01> i'll just have to use the default config then
[08:25] <BlackLabel> what are u getting in glxgears, what card is it?
[08:25] <verden01> i have an ATI Raedon 9600 XT  
[08:25] <BlackLabel> ok
[08:26] <verden01> 154FPS is that ok?
[08:27] <BlackLabel> you'll get alot better if you install the other drivers
[08:27] <verden01> its going up tp to about 1200 FPS
[08:27] <verden01> its going between 100 odd to 1200 
[08:27] <verden01> 1100
[08:27] <BlackLabel> ive got an ati radeon igp (integrated graphics) and its upto 1000frames in 5s
[08:29] <verden01> its gone up to 6120 f in 5 sec
[08:29] <verden01> its flucuating a lot tho
[08:30] <BlackLabel> it will go real hide when the actual window with the gears isnt viewable
[08:30] <BlackLabel> cos then it doesnt actually need to print it to the screen
[08:31] <verden01> oh thats probably it then
[08:31] <verden01> anyway it would be nice to have the 3d working tho
[08:33] <BlackLabel> yea thats what  i thought
[08:33] <BlackLabel> but i couldnt get it working
[08:33] <verden01> if i had an nvidia card it would be easy
[08:33] <BlackLabel> yea
[08:34] <BlackLabel> verden01: did i ask if u knew anything about bootsplashes in debian?
[08:34] <verden01> no but is that the startup screen?
[08:34] <BlackLabel> ya
[08:34] <verden01> i only know how to change them
[08:35] <verden01> ones that are already installed
[08:35] <verden01> do you want new ones 
[08:35] <verden01> have you tried kde-look
[08:35] <BlackLabel> not kdm themes
[08:35] <BlackLabel> if thats what u r thinking
[08:36] <verden01> i'm not really sure 
[08:36] <BlackLabel> its not the one where u type ur username and password to
[08:36] <verden01> but kdm themes sounds right
[08:36] <BlackLabel> thats not what im lookingfor
[08:36] <verden01> i'm not sure its been a long time since i've done that stuff
[08:38] <verden01> have a look at this link  http://www.kde-look.org/
[08:38] <BlackLabel> its done
[08:38] <BlackLabel> down*
[08:39] <verden01> what about this  http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21051
[08:41] <verden01> or this http://kdelook.org/index.php?xcontentmode=35&PHPSESSID=a523e341b6e74ca4f59a46dcc4f34886
[08:42] <Tm_T> delltony: use firestarter
[08:42] <BlackLabel> verden01: nah those aren't it
[08:42] <BlackLabel> its got nothing to do with kde
[08:42] <verden01> ahh ok
[08:45] <delltony> ok thanks
[08:58] <PD> Hi there ppl!
[08:58] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:58] <PD> Installed kubuntu on my nx7078 laptop, and everythings working fine
[08:58] <PD> even the touchpad side scroll bar is working
[08:58] <ice_1963> we need flashplayer for konqueror pl =)
[08:59] <BlackLabel> verden01: i think i've found something to install what i was talking about
[08:59] <Tm_T> ice_1963: why?
[08:59] <ice_1963> why not
[08:59] <Tm_T> ...
[09:00] <Tm_T> there was a word "need"
[09:00] <ice_1963> flash is free
[09:00] <verden01> cool
[09:00] <Tm_T> mostly ads
[09:00] <Tm_T> I hate them
[09:00] <BlackLabel> verden01: ill tell ya if it works
[09:00] <Tm_T> and my flash is working fine ;p
[09:00] <verden01> flash doesn't work with my AMD 64 system  :-(
[09:00] <Tm_T> heh
[09:01] <BlackLabel> verden01: in konqueror or mozilla?
[09:02] <verden01> Mozilla-Firefox
[09:02] <verden01> u mean flash   both
[09:03] <BlackLabel> have u installed the flash plugin for firefox?
[09:03] <verden01> Tm_t: do you have an AMD 64 system?
[09:03] <verden01> it wont install Macromedia doesn't support AMD 64 yet
[09:03] <Tm_T> nope
[09:04] <verden01> thats why its working Tm_T 
[09:04] <Tm_T> jei
[09:04] <Borg^Queen> Hey anyone up?
[09:04] <verden01> jei?
[09:05] <Tm_T> verden01: like yay
[09:05] <verden01> oh ok  lol
[09:05] <Borg^Queen> Hey, I was wondering if there was any doc on the whole sudo thing. I'm having a hard time with the lack of direct root access.
[09:05] <Borg^Queen> verden01: English isn't your first language?
[09:05] <ice_1963> lol
[09:06] <Tm_T> aergh!
[09:06] <verden01> yeah
[09:06] <Tm_T> stop using "lol"
[09:06] <verden01> it is
[09:06] <verden01> why
[09:06] <Tm_T> I hate it
[09:06] <verden01> whats wrong with lol?
[09:06] <Borg^Queen> Hmm
[09:06] <verden01> will this do  :-)
[09:06] <ice_1963> ok
[09:06] <Tm_T> :)
[09:06] <verden01> :)
[09:06] <freex> lol
[09:06] <ice_1963> =)
[09:06] <verden01> cool
[09:06] <Tm_T> !
[09:06] <Tm_T> =)
[09:07] <verden01> ####
[09:07] <freex> ^-^
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> You guys are nuts
[09:07] <verden01> can i hahahaha
[09:07] <Tm_T> actually english is my third language :p
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> :D 
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> Tm_T: Mine as well.
[09:07] <ice_1963> :p
[09:07] <verden01> hey australian is my language
[09:07] <freex> whew
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> Perhaps my 4th
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> There's Cymry, Gaelic, Spanish and English.
[09:08] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: btw why not enable root user ?
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> I don't know what I'm saying half the time
[09:08] <freex> python is my language
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> OOoops sorry Tm_T 
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> I can do that, enable root
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> Why didn't someone tell me.
[09:08] <verden01> no  lol's Borg^Queen 
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> Is there a doc on how to do that?
[09:08] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: eh, cymraeg and gael are separate languages?
[09:08] <freex> sudo passwd 
[09:09] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: just "sudo passwd" and then type new root password
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> Wait, can I or can't I enable root user?
[09:09] <verden01> but my ancestors are from Scandinavia
[09:09] <Tm_T> you can
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> Aye I know that.
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> Good.
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> cymry, is slightly older than gaelic
[09:09] <Borg^Queen> I don't know how much though.
[09:09] <Tm_T> ok
[09:10] <Tm_T> but same basis?
[09:10] <verden01> is Gaelic irish?
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> But it's my clan's native language
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> yes same basis.
[09:10] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> Aye, Irish
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> ice_1963: Aye, thank you
[09:10] <ice_1963> ok
[09:10] <Borg^Queen> But I'm an old nix user, I'm accustomed to having a root user.
[09:10] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: so Balor says something to you?
[09:11] <verden01> Borg^Queen, u play gaelic footy?
[09:11] <Borg^Queen> Plus, it eliminates certain security problems 
[09:11] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: I use root account too =)
[09:11] <Borg^Queen> What is it with yuo guys lol
[09:11] <Tm_T> eh?
[09:11] <Borg^Queen> A thousand questions at the same time.
[09:12] <Borg^Queen> Its nothing bad Tm_T I just thought it was funny
[09:12] <verden01> well at least someone is talking to you
[09:12] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: I'm very interested about irish/welsh culture
[09:12] <Borg^Queen> Maybe I should just use LOL?
[09:12] <Tm_T> no
[09:12] <Tm_T> ok, use lol when you really are laughing out loud, ok?
[09:12] <Tm_T> I prefer "heh" etc
[09:12] <Borg^Queen> As for Balor, depending on how it's used.
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> you could be talking about Death
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> or of someone's passing
[09:13] <verden01> so what does everyone think og Kubuntu
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> heh? LOL 
[09:13] <verden01> of
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> verden01: I dont' know yet
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> I like it but the whole lack of a root account bothered me.
[09:13] <verden01> i've used Libranet for a lonf time
[09:13] <verden01> long
[09:13] <Borg^Queen> Plus, things like kdf were missing
[09:14] <Borg^Queen> libranet
[09:14] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: hmm, yes, I mean those ancient tales
[09:14] <verden01> i think you can add a root account?
[09:14] <Borg^Queen> yes,
[09:14] <Borg^Queen> In the Celtic-Irish mythology, Balor is the god of death and the king of the Fomorians, a race of giants. He was the son of Buarainech and the husband of Cethlenn. Balor had only one eye, which he kept closed because anything he looked at would die instantly. 
[09:14] <verden01> i found sudo strange at first but am used to it now
[09:14] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: yes, mythology, that was the word I was seeking for =)
[09:15] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: yes, now you're talking!
[09:15] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:15] <Borg^Queen> Aye, so to speak
[09:15] <Tm_T> I love celtic mythology
[09:15] <Borg^Queen> verden01: you became accustomed to sudo?
[09:15] <verden01> di youknow that Irish people have one of the highest rates of Ceoliac Disease in the world?
[09:15] <verden01> yeah
[09:16] <Tm_T> =)
[09:16] <Borg^Queen> There is celtic mythos, by celts and celtic mythos by modern christains. Dont' confuse the two.
[09:16] <verden01> well it just another command
[09:16] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:16] <Borg^Queen> oooops
[09:16] <verden01> LOL LOL LOL
[09:16] <Tm_T> haha
[09:17] <Borg^Queen> I am born and raise Pagan, half the stuff I see on TV. I never saw in my clan.
[09:17] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: you think tolkien borrowed much from celtic mythology to his books?
[09:17] <Borg^Queen> I laugh when people ask me about "spells" and other things.
[09:18] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: define Pagan
[09:18] <Borg^Queen> Tolken did borrow from several mythos to write his book
[09:18] <Tm_T> yes
[09:18] <Borg^Queen> Pagan, Pre - Welsh Pagan to be exact. 
[09:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:18] <Tm_T> ok
[09:18] <ice_1963> can i install firefox in kubuntu ?????
[09:19] <Borg^Queen> It means we have no Jewish or Christian influences.
[09:19] <Borg^Queen> ice_1963: yes, in fact I think it already has it
[09:20] <Borg^Queen> Anyway, the reason I'm here is because I'm having a horrible time deciding on a replacement distro for RH9.0
[09:20] <verden01> yes firefox works great
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> ice_1963: apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:20] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: RH sucks =)
[09:20] <Borg^Queen> verden01: Mozilla is better for highend machines.
[09:20] <Borg^Queen> LOL Tm_T 
[09:20] <ice_1963> have tryed useing firefox yet 
[09:20] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: err, why mozilla suite is better?
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Actually RH9 was the top most stable release since RH 7.3, second only to debian
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Tm_T: not better, 
[09:21] <Tm_T> hm
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Hard to explain, more intergrated
[09:21] <Tm_T> I think it's bloat
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Yes on a slow machine.
[09:21] <Tm_T> even in fast machine
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> On a highend one it great.
[09:21] <Tm_T> nope
[09:21] <Tm_T> disagree =)
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> I have several highend machines here. It opens in 4 sec
[09:22] <Tm_T> but it still take too much resources
[09:22] <verden01> what better than firefox?
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> ok we disagree
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> Nothing
[09:22] <Tm_T> =)
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> Well Konq
[09:23] <gnumdk> i've fix my konqueror segfault(double entries), remove /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ from /etc/kderc and now my kde works perfectly, seems that default kubuntu configuration is buggy for some people
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> So my other problem is that I'm an idealist. 
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> gnumdk: interesting
[09:23] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed splashy?
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> gnumdk:  thanks
[09:24] <gnumdk> BlackLabel: yes
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> whats splashy ?
[09:24] <gnumdk> da_bon_bon: bootsplash in user space
[09:24] <BlackLabel> gnumdk: do u know where splash themes go?
[09:24] <ice_1963> mozilla works
[09:24] <concept10> Borg: if you have been using Red Hat for awile, you might want to try Fedora
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> gnumdk: bootsplash as in the one that hides all the startup messages ?
[09:24] <gnumdk> BlackLabel: juste look at /etc/splashy, on image and some options to change ;)
[09:24] <Borg^Queen> concept10: I did.
[09:24] <BlackLabel> k
[09:25] <concept10> Borg: you didnt like it?
[09:25] <Borg^Queen> I don't know. 
[09:25] <Borg^Queen> I have a problem with it being replaced every 6 to 8 months. And I have a problem with RH's company policies.
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> concept10: try this - enter 2 to 3 letters of a persons nick, and press TAB...
[09:25] <Borg^Queen> Like I said I'm an idealist.
[09:26] <Borg^Queen> I want to settle on one distro and stick to it
[09:26] <concept10> da_bon_bon: thanks alot, i appreciate that tip
[09:26] <Borg^Queen> concept10: now you have to give him chocolate
[09:26] <Choubaka> Hello to y'all on this channel too. :)
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> concept10: no problem. remember that it works in all irc clients
[09:26] <Borg^Queen> Hello
[09:27] <Borg^Queen> I like the philosophy behind this distro. To share, to educate.
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> hi `TUX`` 
[09:28] <concept10> Borg^Queen: me too, ive been using Fedora for around six months, no problem with it, but im starting to like ubuntu - the comunity is grate
[09:28] <concept10> *great
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> Aye,
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> I agree
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> Fedora was good but its lacking something.
[09:28] <Quinn_Storm> I personally don't like the idea of supporting redhat, which is why I'm not big on fedora..that and I've gotten used to the debian way of doing things, so kubuntu is easy for me to admin
[09:28] <PD> I started my Linux experince through Rdhat, but now switched to this one
[09:28] <Choubaka> I thought I could give KDE a go, but before I can do that I must be able to input japanese in my default (utf-8) locale. Anyone willing to help me with that? :)
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> And what do you think of it PD 
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> Thank you Quinn_Storm 
[09:29] <PD> Borg^Queen, I should say its excellent
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> :)
[09:29] <concept10> Quinn_Storm: why dont you like supporting RH
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: What exactly do you need?
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> wb Tm_T 
[09:29] <Borg^Queen> LOLOLOLOL
[09:29] <`TUX``> hi Borg^Queen
[09:30] <Choubaka> Trying to make UIM work on KDE.
[09:30] <Borg^Queen> UIM?
[09:30] <Choubaka> Unified input method.
[09:30] <Borg^Queen> hello pointwood 
[09:30] <Borg^Queen> Ah 
[09:30] <Quinn_Storm> concept10: well they market themselves as the "leader in open source" or some other bs, and they don't really have the core values of Free Software in mind, they've really departed from that, and if they could they'd close up the source to RHEL and walk away from the open source game
[09:30] <Choubaka> or universal. something like that.
[09:30] <PD> Borg^Queen, I even convinced some of my M$ using frinds to use this, they liked it
[09:30] <Borg^Queen> Hm, I'm not even on Kubuntu yet. Maybe someone else can help
[09:31] <Choubaka> I've looked at the forums but the instructions don't seem to work for me.
[09:31] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm: I agree completely
[09:31] <concept10> Quinn_Storm: nice point
[09:31] <Borg^Queen> Can anyone help Choubaka ?
[09:32] <Quinn_Storm> of course that's why I like debian & the focus on the philosophy, I just hope that debian and ubuntu can keep working together, I'd hate to see one damage the other
[09:32] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm: I agree.
[09:32] <Borg^Queen> One more thing that concerns me is, the seeming lack of packages. Is that actually the case?
[09:32] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: no, just enable universe & multiverse
[09:33] <Borg^Queen> And is it hard to build a package from source code?
[09:33] <Borg^Queen> Ah ok
[09:33] <Choubaka> Borg^Queen: Ubuntu has a couple thousand packages :)
[09:33] <concept10> The only reason I use Fedora is im trying to get a sysadmin job and alot of companies recognize RH, Fedora is no better than any other distro - they have some tools that other distros lack, but Ubuntu's philosophy is great, I wonder how long they will be around
[09:33] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: repeat your question, with a little more detail.
[09:33] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: thanks
[09:34] <Borg^Queen> That's another thing that concerns me. How long will kubuntu be around?
[09:34] <Choubaka> Borg^Queen: I need to be able to input Japanese in KDE applications, preferably  using UIM.
[09:34] <verden01> i find there are more than enough available packages with universe and multiverse enabled
[09:34] <Choubaka> Borg^Queen: as long as there's a community to maintain it.
[09:35] <Borg^Queen> Do you have the Japanese language installed?
[09:35] <jsgotangco> kubuntu will be around as long as there are people interested in improving it and helping out
[09:35] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: good point
[09:35] <Choubaka> I have all the fonts required.
[09:35] <verden01> i hope that is a long time
[09:35] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: I -think- you can do that just using xkb, but I'm not 100% certain
[09:35] <Choubaka> I can use japanese in Gnome applications.
[09:35] <Tm_T_> uaaah!
[09:36] <Choubaka> but as far as I know KDE doesn't support Input modules.
[09:36] <Borg^Queen> http://uim.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[09:36] <debauchery1st> what's the best DVD player for ubuntu
[09:36] <Tm_T_> debauchery1st: mplayer
[09:36] <Borg^Queen> kmplayer and kaffeine
[09:36] <Choubaka> or rather, Ubuntu's KDE doesn't.
[09:36] <Tm_T_> no, mplayer
[09:36] <Tm_T_> mplayer used from konsole
[09:37] <concept10> I believe ubuntu will be around for awhile as long as thier business model takes off - give away good distro, build a good community supported by a good philosophy around free software and make money off of support 
[09:37] <debauchery1st> kaffeine seems to have problems with this DVD ... it doesn't have a menu and all I get is a white screen
[09:37] <Borg^Queen> That's their busines model?
[09:37] <Borg^Queen> debauchery1st: do you have all the libs installed for kaffiene?
[09:38] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: actually the founder of Ubuntu has said publicly that even if the support falls through he'll support ubuntu as a charity
[09:38] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: I'm not sure about that
[09:38] <concept10> Thats what I believe from everything I have read thus far
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> plus make sure the dvd isn't mounted
[09:38] <Tm_T_> debauchery1st: just run in konsole "mplayer /dev/<yourdvddevice>
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm: yes I read that, Shuttleford?
[09:38] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: huh?
[09:38] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: Yay for weird OSS-friendly millionaires. \o/
[09:38] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yep!
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> Mark Shuttleworth
[09:39] <Quinn_Storm> Ahh, yeah, sounds right
[09:39] <concept10> im not talking about charging everydayusers, im talking about charging someone that wants to implement it in thier company and want some type of support
[09:39] <Tm_T_> hm
[09:39] <Borg^Queen> concept10: sounds good
[09:39] <Quinn_Storm> concept10: yeah, he wants to make a company providing support for those who want it
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> I suppose I just have to get used to it
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> hello Gavrila 
[09:40] <Tm_T_> ok, gotta get some breakfast ->
[09:41] <Gavrila> Borg^Queen: hello :) 
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> My biggest fears are a short life span for the distro, plus bad community. I also need it to work well.
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> Breakfast
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> Oooh my it's late
[09:41] <debauchery1st> mplayer via console crashes
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> you disc is mounted
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> Unmount it
[09:41] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: what?
[09:42] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: crashes??!
[09:42] <Choubaka> Borg^Queen: Basically all those fears are voided with Ubuntu. :p
[09:42] <Borg^Queen> How do I disable that automount thing
[09:42] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: you think
[09:42] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: yeah it crashes
[09:42] <Tm_T> eh
[09:42] <Tm_T> strange
[09:42] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: was the site I gave you any help?
[09:42] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: is it because the disc is mounted like Borg^Queen said?
[09:42] <Choubaka> I'm still installing KDE. I'll check soon.
[09:42] <Tm_T> nno
[09:43] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: ok, I hope it helps. I don't know anything about it. Sorry.
[09:43] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: if that causes the crashing, you really have hell of a mess
[09:43] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: I tes it
[09:43] <Tm_T> test
[09:43] <Borg^Queen> Oh and kuser crashes too.
[09:43] <Borg^Queen> Are they going to fix that?
[09:43] <Borg^Queen> I mean KDE has a update to it, but does kubuntu have it yet?
[09:44] <Choubaka> if you report it as a bug, they will.
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> Its a kde 3.4 bug
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> And kde has the fix, 
[09:44] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: what causes the crash?
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> I don't know.
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> I didn't read up on it
[09:44] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: I mean how do you make it crash?
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> By inputing anything. Updating a user, etc
[09:45] <Quinn_Storm> yep
[09:45] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: nope... unmounting it didn't help
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> If you tried to change the user's password the moment you hit ok it crashs
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm: it crashed?
[09:45] <Quinn_Storm> Borg^Queen: yep, latest updates here
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> debauchery1st: is it a dvd or a vcd?
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> Quinn_Storm:  they update is there?
[09:45] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: it's a DVD
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> odd
[09:46] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: it works in set-top dvd players
[09:46] <Borg^Queen> Oh darn I wanted to ask him if he installed the update
[09:46] <Borg^Queen> hell amu 
[09:46] <Borg^Queen> hello rather lOL
[09:46] <Borg^Queen> sorry
[09:47] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: and it works in winxp 
[09:47] <amu-> moin'
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> OOOH don't say winxp, bad word
[09:47] <debauchery1st> yeah, well .. it came with the laptop
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> debauchery1st: do you have a dell by any chance?
[09:47] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: HELL NO!
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> ok just checking
[09:48] <pointwood> I can't launch kate - if I try it in a terminal, I get this: kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[09:48] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: it's an HP zd8000
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> Well I need to go. Thanks for helping me with my ethical delema
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> HP good
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> pointwood: I think I got that on the test machine
[09:48] <Borg^Queen> wb BlackLabel 
[09:49] <BlackLabel> ya
[09:49] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: yes, looks like ubuntu repos have buggy mplayer, then compile it from newest sources then
[09:49] <pointwood> this is a more or less fresh install
[09:50] <BlackLabel> did anyone else an error when trying to install splashy
[09:50] <Choubaka> hmm.
[09:50] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: does breezybadger have an updated pkg by any chance?
[09:51] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: or at least a more stable one?
[09:51] <debauchery1st> Tm_T: that must've sounded ridiculous
[09:53] <Borg^Queen> When is this breezy badger coming out?
[09:53] <amu-> Oct.2005
[09:54] <Borg^Queen> Ah the month I was born.
[09:54] <Borg^Queen> Go me Go me
[09:55] <verden01> whoopdy do  
[09:55] <verden01> :)
[09:55] <verden01> ouchhhh
[09:56] <verden01> hang on it was an Irish stick it didn't even hurt
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> Have you seen an Irish Walking stick?
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> It's a Staff
[09:56] <verden01> hahahaha   well no
[09:56] <debauchery1st> hmm ... must be this particular dvd.... Alex Jones: Police State II DVD works fine
[09:57] <verden01> you just said a stick but an irish walking stick well thats just too much
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> Aye, then laddie. Have you ever heard the phrase "Beaten to a lather"?
[09:57] <verden01> yeah 
[09:57] <verden01> :(
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> debauchery1st: clean the disc. remember to whip from the centre out. Do NOT go in circles.
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> verden01: don't frown
[09:58] <verden01> :)
[09:58] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: the disc is clean ... it's a DVD screener of Alexander 
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> screener?
[09:58] <debauchery1st> so it's probably a hacked burn or something
[09:59] <Nino> hello, is it possible to install ubuntu directly over network (like with the debian network install without copying data from the cd) with a normal ubuntu install CD?
[09:59] <debauchery1st> screener ... the copies they send out for "award consideration"
[09:59] <Borg^Queen> Nino: I would think so.
[10:00] <Borg^Queen> award consideration?
[10:00] <debauchery1st> Borg^Queen: like the oscars
[10:00] <Borg^Queen> oh
[10:01] <Choubaka> It's not working :/
[10:01] <Nino> Borg^Queen: and how to?
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> Are there really developers in here from time to time. I remember Riddell said he was.
[10:02] <Choubaka> Maybe it will with KDE 4.0
[10:02] <Tm_T> debauchery1st: ok, use xine, it works
[10:02] <Choubaka> when kde'll support input modules.
[10:02] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: I hope so. Contact ubuntu and kde and ask them to do that.
[10:02] <Choubaka> What KDE will there be in Breezy?
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> Nino: I don't know I've never done it. but I would guess, if you can access the cdrom via your network you can install like that.
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> Choubaka: what ever stable kde is out there.
[10:03] <Choubaka> Hm.
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> So if 4.0 i stable, I guess it will be there.
[10:03] <Choubaka> Perhaps not 4.0 then
[10:03] <Borg^Queen> Maybe not
[10:04] <Tm_T> just check 4.0 release timing
[10:04] <Tm_T> from KDE.org :p
[10:05] <Borg^Queen> Ooh another problem I have with Kubuntu is all my my machines have 2 or more hard drives.
[10:05] <Borg^Queen> How do I get it to partition and use these hard drive? Expert mode?
[10:05] <BlackLabel> there is a partition manager when u install
[10:06] <Gavrila> how unstable is breezy? I mean if I change my repositories to breezy how often will my system break?
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> BlackLabel: Aye, like in Debian installer
[10:07] <BlackLabel> dunno havent installed it
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> I have on a test machine.
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> But I didn't remember
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> Too tired.
[10:07] <crimsun> Gavrila: expect serious instability for these first few weeks
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> hello _trevor 
[10:08] <Borg^Queen> and good night to all
[10:08] <Borg^Queen> Thanks for your input.
[10:08] <Borg^Queen> I have a lot to think about
[10:09] <Gavrila> crimsun: when do you think it will be usable?
[10:10] <crimsun> Gavrila: depends what you require as "usable"
[10:10] <Gavrila> crimsun: like debian unstable is
[10:10] <crimsun> it should be that stable always, at least
[10:11] <crimsun> if you only update once per day, you'll probably be fine
[10:11] <crimsun> if you update every 30 minutes, you're bound to catch something in flux
[10:11] <Gavrila> crimsun: debian unstable never broke my system... sometimes screwed up some update, but never had to reinstall
[10:12] <Gavrila> crimsun: I usually update my system once a day
[10:12] <Gavrila> or once every 2 days
[10:12] <crimsun> then it should be safe for you to begin using Breezy in 3-4 weeks
[10:12] <Gavrila> because I found kubuntu really a great distro
[10:12] <Gavrila> but the thing I dislike is that once I install it
[10:13] <Gavrila> it will never upgrade
[10:13] <crimsun> that's a _good_ thing.
[10:13] <Gavrila> for some things yes
[10:13] <Gavrila> not for others
[10:13] <crimsun> stability is always a good thing
[10:14] <Gavrila> for example, kde 3.4.1 will be surely better than and more stable than 2.4.0
[10:14] <Gavrila> 3.4.0
[10:14] <Gavrila> but I won't get it keeping hoary repositories
[10:14] <crimsun> that's the hope, but it doesn't always work out that way.
[10:14] <Gavrila> crimsun: I use kde since a long time... it IS so :)
[10:14] <Gavrila> and let me tell you I didn't find kde 3.4.0 SO stable
[10:14] <crimsun> just because it has been doesn't imply it will always be
[10:15] <crimsun> think about how often you upgrade your RAM
[10:15] <Gavrila> crimsun: ehehe are u a Karl Popper fan?
[10:15] <Gavrila> I can't see the point in my RAM
[10:17] <crimsun> it's the whole abstraction and layering bit
[10:18] <crimsun> obviously some things must remain stable
[10:18] <crimsun> updating to a new kernel everyday is bound to introduce regressions
[10:19] <_tek> hello everyone, damn this is a fairly full house even for this room
[10:20] <crimsun> heh, I remember when it was 4 people
[10:20] <Gavrila> crimsun: that's what I've been saying. I don't complain about kernel upgrades, but stable software released an improved as it could be a new kde
[10:21] <crimsun> Gavrila: well, that's why Kubuntu will release every six months
[10:22] <Gavrila> hheheh I'm an update freak O_o
[10:23] <crimsun> there are a bunch in every crowd
[10:25] <Gavrila> don't shoot me please :(
[10:25] <Gavrila> :P
[10:26] <Gavrila> !seen
[10:26] <Gavrila> is there any seen command or sort of?
[10:30] <incubii> no matter how many bloody times i install mplayer-powerpc it doesnt exit
[10:31] <Nino> Is there an official internet mirror with the ubuntu archiv (for install from) ???
[10:35] <incubii> to perform a net install ?
[10:35] <Nino> yes
[10:36] <Nino> incubii: i have a laptop, i can boot from cd but after i plugged in the wth card and removed the cdrom i can not plugin the cdrom again. it does not get detected anymore
[10:36] <incubii> i dont beleive you can install (k)ubuntu through net install
[10:36] <Nino> why not?
[10:37] <incubii> it doesnt have the option ?
[10:37] <Nino> it has, you type expert as the boot parameter
[10:39] <incubii> oh ok
[10:39] <incubii> i never saw it in expert mode
[10:39] <incubii> only ever bothered with cd install due to dialup
[10:40] <incubii> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release powerpc (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[10:40] <incubii>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe multiverse
[10:40] <incubii>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe multiverse
[10:40] <incubii> theres my apt list
[10:40] <incubii> is that what yo are after
[10:40] <incubii> ?
[10:46] <Gavrila> how can I set a folder in kmail to display html emails while default behavior is set to not allow it?
[11:05] <March-RX8> hello
[11:05] <Borg^Queen> wow, a lot happened while I was away
[11:06] <Borg^Queen> hello March-RX8 and good night to all
[11:06] <March-RX8> night???
[11:07] <March-RX8> does anyone know the command to write to add universe packages to my system
[11:11] <psn> March-RX8: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:12] <amu> sudo echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe" >>/etc/apt/sources.list
[11:19] <March-RX8> how can i change screen resolution
[11:20] <amu> use kcontrol, or there's a menu entry for it 
[11:21] <March-RX8> but i cant change the colour displayed
[11:26] <amu> run a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf 
[11:27] <Aircobra> good day
[11:30] <March-RX8> it says xserver-xorg not installed (but it is installed)
[11:31] <malte> hm, why is it not possible to clear the history in konqueror? nothing happens when i press the clear history-button
[11:35] <Aircobra> anyone has a chrashy Kaffeine?
[11:36] <buz> kaffeine is broken i think
[11:36] <Aircobra> I have kubuntu on two PCs installed
[11:36] <buz> it will keep up chewing loads of cpu
[11:36] <buz> and network streams dont work at all
[11:36] <Aircobra> yea
[11:36] <Aircobra> you have to kill it after closing
[11:36] <buz> yeah
[11:36] <Aircobra> otherwise it consumes CPU
[11:36] <buz> killall kaffeine if you want to get your cpu back ;-)
[11:36] <buz> and amarok doesn't seem to want to play any streams either
[11:36] <buz> but vlc works fine
[11:37] <Aircobra> well i havent tried streams 
[11:37] <buz> could you try?
[11:37] <buz> if 3 people have that problem it's one for sure
[11:37] <Aircobra> sure
[11:37] <Aircobra> one moment
[11:37] <March-RX8> how can i restart the X11 from a tty
[11:37] <buz> March-RX8: startx
[11:38] <March-RX8> i cant that way, it say it's already running
[11:38] <buz> mhh
[11:39] <buz> killall xorg ?
[11:39] <Aircobra> buz i tried streaming www.s-s-s.ch - AmaroK loaded, but then froze
[11:39] <Aircobra> system have me a message it is not responding
[11:40] <buz> mhh same here
[11:40] <buz> kaffeine doesnt do anything much anymore either
[11:40] <buz> in the preview it worked
[11:40] <Aircobra> gee, funny, i've been using amarok and kaffeine on mandrake 10.1 with no trouble
[11:40] <buz> well as i say, in the preview the problem wasnt apparent
[11:40] <Aircobra> have you tried googling ?
[11:40] <buz> na
[11:40] <Aircobra> or searched in forums, wikis?
[11:41] <buz> i'm not bothered by it enough as long vlc works ;-)
[11:41] <Aircobra> vlc is nice, but not interface-wise
[11:41] <buz> vlc has always been my preferred mediaplayer anyway
[11:41] <Aircobra> its rather ugly :)
[11:41] <amadeus> yeah vlc is rocking!!
[11:41] <buz> mhh you need to use the skinned version
[11:41] <buz> then it looks like a osx metal app
[11:41] <Aircobra> yeah, maybe
[11:42] <buz> the ui is simple but efficient
[11:42] <Aircobra> will try that later
[11:42] <buz> itunes it isnt nor should it be
[11:42] <Aircobra> true
[11:42] <buz> now lets see about noatun
[11:42] <buz> that's completely broken it seems
[11:43] <buz> keeps flashing its icon and doing weird stuff
[11:43] <buz> conclusion: kde media layer is probably fucked
[11:46] <amadeus> #kde ?
[11:48] <Quinn_Storm> buz: actually, conclusion: use a better media player :-P
[11:49] <buz> like
[11:49] <buz> i'd say its a kubuntu problem
[11:49] <buz> it worked back in the preview release
[11:49] <March-RX8> why dont you install wmp over wine?
[11:49] <buz> so not #kde
[11:49] <buz> LOL
[11:49] <buz> i tried, didn't work
[11:49] <buz> i could run it in qemu though ;-)
[11:49] <buz> nah, wmp is the worst media player ever
[11:49] <March-RX8> try itunes over wine then
[11:49] <buz> i dont like itunes
[11:50] <buz> for streaming media, vlc is fine
[11:50] <March-RX8> xmms?
[11:50] <Quinn_Storm> for non-streaming media, use amaroK
[11:50] <buz> and for local mp3s, it seems as amarok would work
[11:50] <Quinn_Storm> even for streaming music
[11:50] <March-RX8> mplayer?
[11:50] <buz> Quinn_Storm: did you try streaming music in kubuntu final on amarok?
[11:50] <buz> doesn't work for me anymore
[11:50] <buz> and noatun doesn't even load properly
[11:50] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[11:51] <Quinn_Storm> buz: that's strange...but I use an amaroK compiled from cvs and use it w/ the xine engine
[11:51] <buz> mhh
[11:51] <Choubaka> I can't use beep-media-player anymore.
[11:51] <buz> there obviously IS something wrong
[11:51] <ice_1963> will mplayer play dvd's ????
[11:51] <Choubaka> it seemingly stopped working after I installed kde.
[11:51] <buz> mhh amarok doesn't even show any installed engines
[11:51] <buz> WTF
[11:51] <buz> maybe that's the problem
[11:53] <buz> and i think mplayer is somehow acting weird with streams too
[11:54] <amu> what's wrong with kaffeine watching dvd's ?  
[11:54] <buz> i think kaffeine is totally broken
[11:55] <amu> you just install libdvdcss and you can watch them 
[11:55] <buz> i know that
[11:55] <buz> but kaffeine itself crashes upon closing
[11:55] <`TUX``> amu:  hi 
[11:55] <buz> and won't play any streams for me
[11:55] <`TUX``> kaffeine  crash  on  3  computer with  kubuntu
[11:56] <`TUX``> or  stay  PID  after closed  and  100% cpu
[11:56] <buz> yeah same here
[11:56] <March-RX8> when i used mdk it never crashed
[11:56] <amu> you use ubuntu3 packages ?  
[11:56] <buz> and noatun wont load either
[11:56] <`TUX``> amu:  kaffeine  debian  manteiner  told  that  is  a  ubuntu  issue 
[11:57] <`TUX``> i tryed  debian pkg but  
[11:57] <`TUX``> problem  is  there 
[11:57] <`TUX``> is  some lib  related i think
[11:57] <amu> `TUX``: slowly, which version you use, and what crashes ? 
[11:58] <buz> the one in the final
[11:58] <buz> the preview release worked
[11:58] <`TUX``> 0.6.0unbuntu2
[11:59] <buz> 0.6-0ubuntu2
[11:59] <Gavrila> hey guys, do hoary updates include crashfix updates or only security^
[11:59] <buz> maybe xine is broken
[11:59] <`TUX``> if  i  launch kaffeine file  from  console  and  close  it  crash 
[11:59] <amu> ic , that's correct there were some problems, nd it looks like ubuntu3 didnt appear in the final install/live set, so feel free upgrade to ubuntu3 
[11:59] <`TUX``> if  i launch  clicking on a  file  and  close it close 
[12:00] <buz> apt-get distupgrade wont upgrade it
[12:00] <`TUX``> but  PId  stay  there sucking CPU
[12:00] <amu> yep, those things are fixed in ubuntu3 
[12:00] <`TUX``> it is  not  a  xine  problem  because  all  xine  prog  works  well
[12:00] <`TUX``> except kaffeine
[12:00] <buz> so where can we get it?
[12:01] <`TUX``> where is  ubuntu3 pkg?
[12:01] <`TUX``> there isn't in breezy
[12:01] <amu> hold on i'll check, i uploaded it a week ago 
[12:01] <malte> it's not in the rep
[12:01] <buz> i have main, update, universe and multiverse
[12:01] <malte> same here
[12:01] <buz> no updates since the release
[12:02] <March-RX8> how can i get synaptic in kubuntu?? i did it on the other pc but i dont remember how (with GUI)
[12:02] <buz> apt-get install synaptic
[12:03] <March-RX8> it get all the dependence automatically?
[12:03] <amu> Accepted kaffeine 0.6-0ubuntu3 (source)
[12:03] <amu> From: 
[12:03] <amu> Andreas Mueller <amu@ubuntu.com>
[12:03] <amu>   To: 
[12:03] <amu> hoary-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:03] <amu>   Date: 
[12:03] <amu> 06.04.2005 18:40
[12:04] <amu> Accepted:
[12:04] <amu> kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz
[12:04] <amu>   to pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz
[12:04] <amu> kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.dsc
[12:04] <amu>   to pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.6-0ubuntu3.dsc
[12:14] <Nino>  hi, in the file sources.list what is the hoary-security thing ??? # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:16] <Aircobra> you ment /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:21] <amu> strange, not arrived till today... 
[12:31] <Nino> ok, next thing. Control Center Network Settings in KDE refuses to accept an IP for the Default Gateway and it also refuses to accept an IP for the DNS for my just plugged in PCMCIA ethernet card. pinging another pc (by IP) works. Why is this? Where can i configure it by hand???
[12:34] <ubuntu> hello 
[12:52] <karltk> I was wondering what tricks I have to do in order to get printing working properly. I've started /etc/init.d/cupsys, it listens to port localhost:631, but when trying to connect to this port (say, by printing from kdf, using konqueror or even telnet), it just hangs. Any ideas?
[01:07] <Aircobra> is there any way to make firefox look better in Kubuntu?
[01:07] <Aircobra> it looks normaly in Ubuntu, but on KDE its just not right
[01:08] <Aircobra> --
[01:09] <Aircobra> another thing: I have huge un-antialiased fonts on aMule
[01:09] <Aircobra> any ideas what's causing it?
[01:09] <Aircobra> and how to fix it
[01:11] <malte> amule is not gtk2 iirc, and firefox can be kde-ized by using the qt-gtk-theme-thingamob
[01:13] <Tm_T> hullo
[01:14] <tuxor> hiho
[01:14] <Aircobra> fifo :)
[01:14] <malte> hullo
[01:15] <Aircobra> malte please explain about this kde-izing process
[01:15] <Aircobra> do you mean i should change theme for KDE ?
[01:16] <malte> "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones"
[01:17] <malte> of course, i prefer konqueror myself :)
[01:21] <Aircobra> konqueror is nice
[01:22] <Aircobra> but its the extensions that make firefox no1 in my opinion
[01:22] <Aircobra> and thanks for help malte 
[01:39] <malte> Aircobra, np
[01:40] <Aircobra> how poetic
[01:42] <CellarDoor> hey
[01:43] <CellarDoor> can anyone help a n00b get himself connected to better repositories ?
[01:43] <Nino> ok, well
[01:44] <CellarDoor> Im a command line n00b and instructions @ http://ubuntuguide.org/ don't seem to work
[01:44] <CellarDoor> someone with some patience :P
[01:45] <CellarDoor> wb KaiL
[01:46] <KaiL> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt looks nice on xchat :)
[01:46] <CellarDoor> Im in need of a little help here
[01:46] <verden01> Hi
[01:46] <CellarDoor> hi verden01
[01:47] <verden01> hey
[01:47] <Aircobra> CellarDoor hold on
[01:47] <verden01> what sort of help
[01:47] <Aircobra> what part on ubuntuguide.org is unclear ?
[01:47] <CellarDoor> could someone walk me through adding new repositories so I can easily get just about anythin I wan't through Kynaptic ?
[01:48] <verden01> yeah install synaptic
[01:48] <verden01> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:48] <CellarDoor> is synaptic better ?
[01:48] <Aircobra> ir sure is :)
[01:48] <KaiL> grr... brb (X-restart)
[01:48] <CellarDoor> okies
[01:49] <verden01> well you can add repositories with it
[01:49] <CellarDoor> aah this is good :)
[01:49] <verden01> install it and i'll walk youthrough it
[01:49] <verden01> i think there is a howto on this as well
[01:49] <verden01> anyone?
[01:50] <CellarDoor> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:50] <verden01> do you have gedit?
[01:50] <CellarDoor> > sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:50] <CellarDoor> oops
[01:50] <verden01> yeah
[01:50] <CellarDoor> no I don't have gedit
[01:50] <CellarDoor> sorry for repeat
[01:50] <verden01> you have nano so youcan use that if you like
[01:51] <CellarDoor> nano ?
[01:51] <CellarDoor> just a sec
[01:51] <KaiL> why on earth I can't get my overlay back
[01:51] <verden01> sudo nano -t /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:52] <verden01> when yu have nano up scroll down and uncomment anything that has universe in it
[01:52] <CellarDoor> okies verden01 gimmie a sec
[01:53] <verden01> do you know how to uncomment?
[01:53] <CellarDoor> nopes :P
[01:53] <verden01> delete the # in any line that has universe 
[01:54] <verden01> let me know when youhave done that
[01:55] <verden01> i'm in australia too so i could just send youmy apt/sources.list
[01:55] <verden01> and you could add it
[01:55] <CellarDoor> ok Ive removed the #'s I see for universe...
[01:55] <CellarDoor> ooh
[01:56] <CellarDoor> so what do I do to save that ?
[01:56] <verden01> ok now go Ctrl c and Ctrl v and then Ctrl x and youshould be done
[01:56] <CellarDoor> okay
[01:56] <verden01> when youhave done that   do a sudo apt-get update
[01:56] <CellarDoor> are there more souces I can add ?
[01:57] <CellarDoor> okay
[01:57] <verden01> yeah but the ubuntu guide will tell youthose i only have universe enabled as an extra
[01:57] <CellarDoor> ooh I type sudo apt-get update precious and aways it goes precious
[01:58] <verden01> when the update has finished close the console and start kynaptic and youwill have many more packages to choose from :)
[01:58] <CellarDoor> okies
[01:58] <CellarDoor> lemmy see
[01:59] <verden01> your on braodband so it shouldn't take long
[02:00] <verden01> hey not bad advice for free   :-)
[02:00] <CellarDoor> yeah :D
[02:00] <verden01> thats what makes linux so good
[02:00] <CellarDoor> thanks mate
[02:00] <verden01> the communities
[02:00] <verden01> your welcome
[02:00] <CellarDoor> yeah i been watching the ubuntu/kutuntu community action and thats what pushed me over the line to install it
[02:01] <verden01> now you can download as many packages as you want
[02:01] <verden01> have youused linux b4?
[02:01] <CellarDoor> kewlness
[02:01] <verden01> debian is great
[02:01] <CellarDoor> yeah but haven't learned much, tried FC1 briefly, then went to Mandrake for a few months, now Im using Kubuntu
[02:02] <verden01> well if you want to learn then debian is the way to go
[02:02] <verden01> and i think kubuntu is great
[02:03] <verden01> so CellarDoor did all that go right?
[02:03] <CellarDoor> Im not sure actaully
[02:04] <CellarDoor> yeah, I just installed Kdict
[02:04] <CellarDoor> that wasn't on there before
[02:05] <verden01> well if you have kubuntu open go tothe left had top and go to sections and it will show you wether the packages are from universe or not
[02:05] <verden01> it starts off with ameture radio
[02:06] <CellarDoor> kynaptic crashed
[02:06] <verden01> oh open it again from the menu
[02:07] <CellarDoor> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:07] <verden01> do you have a konsole open
[02:07] <CellarDoor> nope
[02:07] <CellarDoor> I do now
[02:07] <verden01> ok
[02:08] <verden01> type kynaptic and see if it opens
[02:08] <CellarDoor> oh kynaptic opened, it just had a couple of error dialoges come up first
[02:08] <verden01> or i should have said sudo kynaptic
[02:10] <verden01> how did it go?
[02:10] <CellarDoor> kynaptic opens but says: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:10] <CellarDoor> also says: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:11] <verden01> maybe ddo a reboot
[02:12] <CellarDoor> hmm okies
[02:12] <amu> you need to start kynaptix with: sudo kynaptic 
[02:12] <CellarDoor> yea I did that
[02:12] <CellarDoor> gonna reboot brb
[02:12] <verden01> k
[02:13] <amu> than it probably runs on anonther session, or died last time using it, and there's still a lock file 
[02:13] <verden01> thats happend to me b4
[02:13] <verden01> theres a few bugs in this kubuntu still
[02:13] <verden01> kate seems to crash on me
[02:14] <verden01> and i can't change the size of the panel to a custom size
[02:15] <KaiL> works here..
[02:15] <verden01> oh i downloaded the final release yesterday and to be honest the rc that was updated was better
[02:16] <verden01> wb
[02:16] <CellarDoor> back
[02:16] <CellarDoor> ty
[02:17] <verden01> is it working?
[02:17] <CellarDoor> ok so what do I do in kynaptic to see what repositories are available ?
[02:18] <CellarDoor> kynaptic seems ok
[02:18] <verden01> just have a look around at the packages 
[02:18] <verden01> you can change how youlook at them
[02:18] <verden01> do you have insatlled and not installed
[02:18] <CellarDoor> aaah yes i c yeh starts with ameteur radio
[02:19] <verden01> ok so you definately have the extra repositories enabled :)
[02:19] <CellarDoor> yay :D
[02:19] <verden01> have fun 
[02:19] <CellarDoor> thanks !
[02:19] <verden01> i out of here for tonight bed time    no worries anytime bye
[02:20] <CellarDoor> I haven't had help like this with any other distro
[02:20] <CellarDoor> okies night
[02:20] <verden01> well get used to it  :)
[02:20] <CellarDoor> :D
[02:24] <Speedy2> Well, not every hardware works :/
[02:24] <Speedy2> The Live CD (and I presume the installer) doesn't have drivers for my LSI Logic Fusion MPT U320 SCSI controller
[02:25] <CellarDoor> aww
[02:25] <CellarDoor> still no libdvdcss
[02:25] <CellarDoor> :(
[02:28] <CellarDoor> can anyone help me with libdvdcss ?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> CellarDoor: marillat repository
[02:28] <CellarDoor> okies
[02:28] <CellarDoor> how do I add that ?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> CellarDoor: it's listed on the wiki Restricted Formats page I think
[02:29] <thoreauputic> read the page, it tells you how
[02:29] <CellarDoor> okies
[02:29] <thoreauputic> or look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:29] <CellarDoor> okay thanks
[02:29] <CellarDoor> bbs
[02:31] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:32] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[02:41] <jude> is there any way to choose a style/theme for gnome apps in kubuntu?
[02:41] <jude> they kinda look terrible here :)
[02:42] <unimil> if you've got gtk2-enines-gtk-qt (iirc) package installed.. you can choose it from the control center.
[02:42] <unimil> gah.. gtk2-engines-gtk-qt or something.
[02:42] <jude> the kde control centre? Right, I'll install that package then, thanks
[02:47] <Speedy2> http://www.polinux.upv.es/mozilla/temas.php?idioma=en
[02:47] <Speedy2> gtk-QT themeing engine
[02:47] <Speedy2> err
[02:47] <Speedy2> That wasn't the right URl, sorry
[02:48] <Speedy2> Search for "gtk-qt-engine" on www.freshmeat.net
[02:48] <Speedy2> You should get it
[02:50] <Aircobra> you can apt-get it too
[02:56] <jude> thanks Speedy2 
[03:00] <\sh> morning
[03:00] <eazel7> hi ppl
[03:00] <eazel7> yesterday I installed kubuntu (using bootstrap)
[03:01] <eazel7> I can't figure out why kdesu doesn't runs any program
[03:04] <Choubaka> gtk apps are ugly only under KDE. :/
[03:05] <eazel7> jude: when it looked ugly?
[03:05] <jude> it looked ugly til i got it using qt themes 
[03:05] <jude> looked out of place
[03:06] <jude> it's about the only gnome app I ever liked
[03:10] <\sh> jude: screenshot?
[03:11] <eazel7> well, konversation is very similar
[03:12] <\sh> sad that only 0.17 came out after the hoary release
[03:12] <jude> it is
[03:12] <jude> konversati0n has too much wasted screen room for my tastes
[03:13] <jude> but thats what I'm using currently - trying to get used to it :)
[03:13] <eazel7> you think
[03:13] <psn> jude: in what way?
[03:13] <\sh> jude: well..if I have the time to bring kmyirc alive i will code another type of irc client..no dcc no scripts nothing pure irc ;)
[03:13] <jude> of course, it's all about opinions after all
[03:14] <jude> \sh put me on the mailing list - that sounds ideal :)
[03:14] <eazel7> \sh: use jabber then
[03:14] <\sh> jude: kmyirc.sf.net ;)
[03:14] <jude> noted :)
[03:14] <\sh> eazel7: well...i'm a jabber server admin as well...I have my own ;)
[03:15] <jude> "
[03:15] <\sh> jude: but the code is too old for compiling under actual kde ;)
[03:15] <kkathman> good morning, or whatever it is where you are :)
[03:15] <KaiL> jude: I'll use konversation the day, I can hide the server tabs...
[03:15] <jude> well get your skates on then - us non-coders are depending on you
[03:15] <eazel7> \sh: great, what jeps it incorpores? does it have pubsub?
[03:15] <jude> Kail: that's one annoyance - also i want the damn things at the top, and no status bar
[03:15] <\sh> eazel7: not right now...
[03:16] <eazel7> ok
[03:16] <\sh> eazel7: i'm waiting for a non python implementation ;)
[03:16] <eazel7> ok
[03:16] <eazel7> so, anybody has any idea about kdesu doesn't works to me?
[03:16] <\sh> eazel7: but proxy65 is in ( ok also python ,)) icq, aim, msn and muc
[03:17] <psn> jude: you can put the tabs on the top and hide the statusbar
[03:17] <jude> psn: in konv?
[03:17] <psn> jude: yup
[03:18] <KaiL> wow, gcc 4.0 in breezy?
[03:18] <psn> jude: for the statusbar: Settings->Hide Statusbar
[03:18] <\sh> well
[03:18] <\sh> funny thing is on the console: kdesu kcontrol workds
[03:18] <jude> ahaha
[03:18] <eazel7> wasn't it already in the hoary dev?
[03:18] <KaiL> is that binary compatible to 3.x?
[03:18] <KaiL> or again Problems?
[03:18] <eazel7> \sh: not to me :(
[03:18] <\sh> but running kdesu directly from kcontrol (e.g. for network control) its not working
[03:19] <jude> \sh that doesn't work here either
[03:19] <eazel7> it doesn't works neither from the console :(
[03:19] <jude> I had to edit net settings by hand
[03:19] <psn> jude: for the tabbar: Settings->Configure Konversation...->Behavior->Tab Bar->Labels->Place tab labels on top
[03:19] <\sh> well finally i don't have to edit anything...sudo pon dsl-provider or in the office vi dhcp...it's running ;)
[03:22] <jude> thanks psn, I promise to pay more attention in future
[03:22] <KaiL> has anybody updated from debian/sarge and got sudo to work?
[03:23] <psn> jude: just come by #konversation if you got any other questions
[03:23] <jude> psn: ta - is there a scripting interface?
[03:24] <psn> jude: not really... you can use some dcop based scripts though... eg /media
[03:25] <Tm_T> huoh
[03:26] <kkathman> howdy Tm_T !
[03:26] <Tm_T> hullo
[03:27] <Tm_T> I'm listening music I used to listen over 5 years ago
[03:27] <kkathman> I got tickled a bit with the new announcement from Mandriva
[03:27] <Tm_T> brings much memories
[03:28] <kkathman> Mandriva is putting out an "interim" release, which they are only releasing to their paying membership...kinda crappy if you ask me. Otherwise you have to pay for it. No download.
[03:28] <eazel7> :-/
[03:28] <kkathman> dont they believe in "open" or is this the Red Hat model all over again?
[03:29] <Tm_T> hm
[03:29] <eazel7> I bought the mandrake 7.2 and it was my worst invested money
[03:29] <jude> has anyone ever run crossover-ofice on kubuntu? I'm considering buying a copy...
[03:29] <eazel7> jude: I did
[03:29] <\sh> kkathman: they need money
[03:29] <eazel7> jude: it works, don't worry
[03:30] <jude> eazel7: thats great to know, thanks
[03:30] <kkathman> \sh obviously
[03:30] <eazel7> jude: but the same as with flash plugin, if you plan to use the plugins, disable composite
[03:30] <jude> I want it for IE (web page testing) and autocad
[03:30] <jude> eazel7: I don't understand the instruction, sorry - is that an X option?
[03:31] <eazel7> jude: it's a extension
[03:31] <\sh> jude: use arcad ;)
[03:31] <\sh> jude: running under windows and linux ;)
[03:31] <\sh> jude: native
[03:31] <eazel7> jude: probably you doesn't have it enabled
[03:33] <eazel7> is there any good open source cad program?
[03:33] <jude> I have never found one, but that doesn't mean there isn't one :)
[03:34] <\sh> qcad? ,-)
[03:35] <\sh>  but arcad .. it's worth the money...i was working with this guy couple of years ago..1987 i think it was...there was the first release of this programm running on a 286/386 :) 
[03:35] <eazel7> qcad isn't 3d
[03:35] <jude> how much is arcad?
[03:36] <\sh> jude: i don't know..there are several pricing modells...best is if u r a student :)
[03:36] <\sh> http://www.arcad.de
[03:36] <jude> yeah, I found the site - it looks nice
[03:39] <\sh> its using a render software to show you the want to be build house ;)
[03:40] <jude> yeah, I've done some architectural visulalisation stuff, but it was on windows - modelled in autocad and rendered in max
[03:40] <jude> I'm trying to learn blender now :)
[03:41] <kkathman> jude: what's blender?
[03:42] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone from mumbai, india out here having the ubuntu cds ? i'd like to buy them...
[03:42] <jude> 3d model/rener/anim app
[03:43] <eazel7> for those things I used several times kpovmodeler getting great results
[03:43] <eazel7> but those wasn't huge models, complex, not huge
[03:43] <\sh> eazel7: blender has all...3d modelling, rendering and animation ;)
[03:44] <jude> it is a fantastic example of what open source can achieve
[03:44] <\sh> eazel7: but i can't use it....for the first stepthrough blender tutorial...the time should be 30 minutes for the first half of it...i used 1 1/2 hours to work through ;)
[03:44] <eazel7> \sh: I know, blender has all, but my brain lost the 90% of its mass after an accidental lobotomy, which makes me to be unable to learn blender
[03:45] <jude> hehe
[03:45] <\sh> eazel7: dude, me too ;)
[03:45] <jude> you can do it - have you ever done 3d/cad before?
[03:45] <eazel7> hehe
[03:45] <eazel7> yup
[03:46] <jude> ah, thats not the bottleneck then :)
[03:48] <jude> I have been finding it hard to transfer skills though, I'll admit. Blender has some very different approaches to max
[03:48] <eazel7> void think (void *data); warning: unused variable data
[03:49] <\sh> warning: function  'void think' never used 
[03:49] <eazel7> hehehe
[03:49] <jude> wings3d is a really nice modeller, if that's where blender is tripping you up...
[03:50] <eazel7> is it oss jude ?
[03:50] <jude> sudo apt-get install wings3d :)
[03:51] <jude> yup 
[03:51] <jude> also http://www.wings3d.com/
[03:55] <Tm_T> hm
[03:55] <Tm_T> what's that
[03:55] <jude> bummer - it fails here...
[03:56] <jude> 1> Driver Failed {error,{open_error,"/usr/lib/erlang/lib/esdl-0.94.0615/priv/sdl_driver.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"}}
[03:57] <jude> that dir is there, but empty
[03:59] <jude> how can I find out if sdl is installed here?
[04:01] <JRe> hello
[04:02] <JRe> i'd like to help on the kubuntu project and i took a look to the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPeople page
[04:02] <jude> hi JRe
[04:02] <Riddell> JRe: cool
[04:03] <JRe> so i'd like to know how can i get in touch to help the project team :)
[04:03] <Riddell> JRe: see HelpingKubuntu too
[04:03] <Riddell> JRe: I'm here
[04:03] <JRe> oki thx
[04:04] <JRe> in fact i am pretty interessed to help on the kynaptic project :)
[04:05] <JRe> because i were dreaming for a long time of a Qt based apt front end
[04:05] <JRe> better than KPackage
[04:05] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone from mumbai, india out here having the ubuntu cds ? i'd like to buy them...
[04:06] <\sh> da_bon_bon: ask on the MLs
[04:06] <da_bon_bon> \sh: mailing lists ?
[04:06] <\sh> yeah
[04:07] <eazel7> why the distros still builds the kde against the xmms package
[04:07] <eazel7> ??
[04:07] <KaiL> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 39 2005-01-28 02:13 ../../mozilla/plugins/kaffeineplugin.so -> ../../mozilla/plugins/kaffeineplugin.so
[04:07] <KaiL> ...why happenes this again and again?
[04:07] <JRe> anyone knows how can i find informations on the Kynaptic devel team?
[04:08] <KaiL> around 90% of all plugin packages are broken because the "plugin" is only a link on itself
[04:08] <eazel7> in the package info?
[04:08] <da_bon_bon> eazel7: are u sure what are u speaking ?
[04:08] <JRe> yeah goog idea :)
[04:09] <JRe> but i have the debian sid package
[04:09] <eazel7> da_bon_bon: some packages has links
[04:09] <da_bon_bon> eazel7: like ?
[04:09] <eazel7> reiserfsprogs
[04:09] <eazel7> right now
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> eazel7: then where does xmms come in ?
[04:11] <eazel7> kicker-applets
[04:11] <eazel7> kicker-applets depends on xmms
[04:11] <eazel7> ='(
[04:15] <eazel7> how can I 'rebuild' a debian package building the deb... as ubuntu would do it but changing an option in the configure?
[04:16] <\sh> eazel7: download the source packages from debian server
[04:16] <\sh> check inside the sourcetree the debian/ dir
[04:16] <eazel7> \sh: apt-get source kicker-applets done
[04:16] <\sh> change rules and changelog and control or control.in if its using cdbs
[04:17] <\sh> eazel7: there is also a documentation how to rebuild debian sources for ubuntu
[04:17] <\sh> on the wiki
[04:17] <eazel7> \sh: gonna check that
[04:17] <\sh> developerresources
[04:17] <\sh> eazel7: and use finally pbuilder
[04:17] <\sh> wiki/PbuilderHowto
[04:18] <eazel7> did you read the article 'ubuntu would be harmful to debian' or something sortof?
[04:18] <\sh> no
[04:18] <\sh> but I'm taking a nap now...cause i want to write a howto about building packages ....
[04:19] <eazel7> I think that was on osnews
[04:19] <eazel7> \sh: great!!!
[04:19] <kkathman> \sh: I will be looking forward to that
[04:20] <\sh> eazel7: u can start reading my first howto ;) wiki/StephanHermann , there is a subpage on the bottom of my page...check this out...please correct some misspellings etc :)
[04:20] <\sh> guys...cu later in the night :)
[04:21] <JRe> re
[04:23] <JRe> anyone know how can i contact the kynaptic devel team? i am really interrested in helping them :) ?
[04:23] <jude> no idea, sorry - is there anything in the app's help dialog maybe?
[04:23] <JRe> there is not yet an anout box 
[04:24] <JRe> about box
[04:25] <Riddell> JRe: they'll be me
[04:26] <jude> Riddell: are you the whole thing then?
[04:27] <Riddell> jude: no, but I do kubuntu with others
[04:27] <buz> props to you, Riddell 
[04:28] <buz> maybe one of you devs could look into the multimedia stuff?
[04:28] <jude> Riddell: sorry, I meant kpackage specifically
[04:28] <buz> seems kinda broken, especially kaffeine
[04:29] <Riddell> buz: there was a fixed kaffine package uploaded but it was too late to get on the CD alas
[04:29] <kkathman> anyone here know python?
[04:29] <buz> yeah but why dont i get it with apt-get???
[04:29] <membreya> python..great guy
[04:29] <Riddell> jude: I don't do kpackage, I packaged kynaptic
[04:29] <membreya> big drinker
[04:29] <buz> i tried apt-get daily since the release, nothing
[04:29] <membreya> ugly when he drinks
[04:29] <kkathman> mornin membreya !
[04:29] <membreya> :D
[04:29] <membreya> aloha!
[04:29] <jude> Riddell: ah, now i understand :)
[04:30] <kkathman> membreya: I wish I was there right now :)
[04:30] <uniq> jude: http://webcvs.kde.org/kdeadmin/kpackage/README?rev=1.1.1.1&sortby=date&view=markup
[04:30] <membreya> kkathman: hell no ..it's 12 degrees :|
[04:30] <kkathman> membreya: I mean Hawaii :)
[04:30] <membreya> ooooooh gotcha ;)
[04:30] <kkathman> membreya: you know any python by chance?
[04:30] <membreya> thought you were coming on to me :| was trying to let you down gently :P
[04:30] <membreya> nope kkathman sorry
[04:30] <uniq> jude: the readme says - Toivo Pedaste (toivo@ucs.uwa.edu.au) 
[04:30] <kkathman> ROFL :)
[04:31] <membreya> kkathman: you could always join #python :P
[04:31] <kkathman> Im trying to change colors on something....it says color=0,0,0   Im assuming thats rgb
[04:32] <kkathman> but, I changed it to 255,255,255 and the python prog bombs, so Im obviously wrong
[04:32] <membreya> 255,255,255 is right for RGB
[04:32] <kkathman> so if  0,0,0 is black,  I bet 16, 16, 16 is white?
[04:32] <membreya> 255,255,255 = white
[04:33] <kkathman> yeah right, but I put in 255,255,255 and the program bombs
[04:33] <kkathman> maybe 15, 15, 15 ?? errh
[04:33] <membreya> go to #python and bitch at em
[04:33] <membreya> NO ...255,255,255 is historically white in RGB
[04:34] <Aircobra> if it starts with 0 it ends with 15
[04:34] <kkathman> yep I'd think that too
[04:34] <kkathman> its a karama theme
[04:34] <jude> can konversation connect to more than one server at once?
[04:34] <kkathman> the monitor Im using has black text...and I want it white
[04:35] <membreya> kkathman: I run superkaramba, my theme uses 255,255,255 as it's colour and it's white
[04:35] <kkathman> membreya: do you use that ubermon1.0 ?
[04:35] <membreya> ewwww no
[04:35] <kkathman> membreya: which mon do you use?
[04:35] <membreya> kkathman: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18936
[04:36] <kkathman> thanks, :)
[04:36] <malte> will there be packages for latest kdevelop for kubuntu at some point?
[04:36] <kkathman> membreya: well its based on ubermon :)
[04:37] <kkathman> I'll try that
[04:37] <membreya> ubermon is ugly though :P
[04:37] <kkathman> hey membreya do you know how to get the sensors working on a system...I know you have to tie them in somehow...got a reference on that?
[04:38] <membreya> erm, how do you mean "how to get them working" lol
[04:38] <kkathman> membreya: well, right now, I dont get anything on temperature or fan stuff
[04:38] <membreya> kkathman: go to your konsole and type cd /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/
[04:39] <membreya> then look at the filesi n there
[04:39] <kkathman> okie dokie..thank you :)
[04:41] <jude> can konversation connect to more than one server at once?
[04:41] <Riddell> jude: yes
[04:41] <Tm_T> why not
[04:42] <Aircobra> see you everyone
[04:43] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:44] <Tm_T> Tm_Konversation: o/
[04:44] <Tm_Konversation> ok, this stinks
[04:44] <malte> xchat rocks 
[04:45] <malte> sadly i don't think there are any good kde irc clients at all :/
[04:45] <Tm_Konversation> irssi <3
[04:45] <membreya> konversation :D
[04:46] <Tm_Konversation> just testing
[04:46] <Tm_Konversation> plah, I hate this
[04:47] <kkathman> damn they need to fix kaffeine!!!
[04:47] <Tm_Konversation> ok, this sucks
[04:48] <Tm_T> eh, and quit messaged don't work
[04:48] <psn> Tm_T: ofcourse it doesn't
[04:49] <Tm_T> ofcourse?
[04:49] <psn> Tm_T: 1) you wasn't online long enough 2) you had clones
[04:49] <Tm_T> hm
[04:49] <Tm_T> clones?
[04:49] <Tm_T> nope
[04:50] <psn> Tm_T: yes yourself as Tm_T 
[04:50] <Tm_T> but not linked
[04:50] <psn> Tm_T: doesn't matter on freenode afaik
[04:50] <Tm_T> eh, so it just guess Tm_* are clones?
[04:50] <Tm_T> ehh
[04:51] <psn> Tm_T: no your host would be telling
[04:51] <Tm_T> ok, no quitmessage 'cause freenode, I see
[04:51] <Tm_T> psn: nope, different host
[04:51] <psn> Tm_T: ok then too short time online then, needs 10mins or so iirc
[04:52] <Tm_T> ok, that's freenode specialities then
[04:52] <psn> Tm_T: btw what sucked?
[04:53] <Tm_T> ok, I hate namelist, couldn't find button to remove it
[04:53] <psn> Tm_T: it's awfully hard to fix such statements ;)
[04:54] <Tm_T> ok, I dislike graphical clients, and Konversation is typical gui client
[04:54] <psn> Tm_T: ah that I can't fix
[04:54] <Tm_T> nope
[04:55] <Tm_T> but I don't need to like it, so it's allright
[04:56] <psn> Tm_T: well I try to fix bugs if there are any else I don't really care what people like or not :)
[04:56] <Tm_T> =)
[04:56] <Tm_T> psn: is there any way to remove namelist?
[04:56] <psn> Tm_T: you could minimize it with the splitter
[04:57] <Tm_T> but it's still there
[04:57] <psn> Tm_T: I'll add an option to remove it completely
[04:57] <Tm_T> uh, nice
[04:57] <psn> Tm_T: well you don't see it.. so why care?
[04:57] <Tm_T> I care
[04:57] <Tm_T> just a way of rhinking
[04:59] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I need to optimize my desktop, uses way too much RAM atm
[04:59] <psn> Tm_T: you do realize linux use all ram available
[05:00] <Tm_T> psn: yes, as cache and such
[05:00] <St0n3-C0l> psn: Yes, only if you use KDE ;)
[05:00] <psn> St0n3-C0l: no always
[05:00] <Tm_T> but I mean restricted/app memory use
[05:00] <St0n3-C0l> GNOME uses not that much memory
[05:00] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: actually more
[05:00] <Tm_T> =)
[05:01] <St0n3-C0l> Tm_T: I disagree :)
[05:01] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: it depends your configuration
[05:02] <psn> Tm_T: you don't get the correct numbers from top and such
[05:02] <Tm_T> psn: I don't watch it from top
[05:02] <St0n3-C0l> GNOME uses around 150-170mb whereas KDE uses 210-230mb
[05:02] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: nope
[05:02] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: my KDE uses ~110
[05:02] <St0n3-C0l> I used both in 1week 
[05:02] <St0n3-C0l> LoL maybe you tweaked it ...
[05:02] <KaiL> what do you count? RAM or Disk?
[05:02] <Tm_T> KaiL: RAM
[05:03] <KaiL> then forget these Numbers, just forget them
[05:03] <Tm_T> St0n3-C0l: ofcourse, default is never the best possible
[05:03] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:03] <Tm_T> =)
[05:03] <KaiL> it's IDIOTIC to count a RAM usage for a desktop that way
[05:03] <St0n3-C0l> Tm_T: LOL but I am not a tweaker eh...
[05:03] <Tm_T> =)
[05:03] <Tm_T> KaiL: why?
[05:04] <KaiL> you can at most compare the RAM-usage as long as no app is running
[05:04] <St0n3-C0l> KaiL: hah
[05:04] <St0n3-C0l> Windows heats your system more than Linux :P
[05:04] <KaiL> and then both numbers are way to high
[05:04] <Tm_T> hm
[05:04] <KaiL> here: naked X 50MB, xfce 63MB, KDE 72MB
[05:05] <Tm_T> yes
[05:05] <Tm_T> but KDE runs ok even in 64 RAM :p
[05:05] <KaiL> not really, if your swap-device is slow
[05:06] <Tm_T> yes, that's right
[05:06] <KaiL> and it IS slow, if you have such an old computer :)
[05:07] <Tm_T> heh
[05:07] <Tm_T> p300/64ram and Knoppix was quite usable
[05:08] <KaiL> it also depends on the screen resolution as I can see
[05:09] <Tm_T> yes
[05:18] <Tm_T> KaiL: it's all about vpenis ;p
[05:18] <Tm_T> that's why there is always comparing
[05:19] <Tm_T> actually there is a script available what check your hardware and tells your vpenis :p
[05:19] <Tm_T> it's a good joke =)
[05:19] <Tm_T> wanna try it?
[05:22] <KaiL> with a K6-2/500, 256MiB RAM and a Matrox G550? :)
[05:22] <StR> hi every1!!
[05:23] <Tm_T> KaiL: yes, for fun
[05:23] <KaiL> ok, or there's a bonus for totally outdated hardware *fg*
[05:23] <StR> I have a question:  What is that "Journal" thing in the kontact?
[05:23] <Tm_T> I'll check if I can find that script
[05:24] <Tm_T> wget -qO- linuxfi.org/vpenis.sh|sh
[05:25] <Tm_T> ok, I got only a 1/6 of what our main server did
[05:25] <Tm_T> :/
[05:26] <KaiL> 18.7 isn't that much, I guess
[05:26] <Tm_T> nope
[05:26] <Tm_T> 61.5cm
[05:26] <Tm_T> and even that's not much
[05:27] <KaiL> bah, no bc on 3dots.de..
[05:27] <Tm_T> I have AMD XP 2800+ (2088MHz) with 1GB ram and nv5700(256MB) and so on
[05:28] <Tm_T> so you can guess what kinda machines got over 200cm :p
[05:28] <KaiL> 80days, 2x 2.4GHz, 1GiB RAM...
[05:29] <Tm_T> hm, my other desktopbox got something 160
[05:29] <Tm_T> eh
[05:29] <Tm_T> I meant 40
[05:30] <Tm_T> maybe I need more coffee, can't even read right line =)
[05:30] <KaiL> cpuclock/4, ram/3
[05:30] <KaiL> uptime-days/10?
[05:30] <Tm_T> heh
[05:30] <Tm_T> I don't even have a day uptime =)
[05:31] <KaiL> 1d 6h
[05:31] <Tm_T> 10h
[05:32] <Tm_T> "you're a guru, over 6h uptime!!11 LOOOLLLL"
[05:32] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:32] <Tm_T> don't care
[05:32] <StR> Any1 knows what that "Journal" in  kontact is for?
[05:33] <jude> [jude@bigbrain jude] $ uptime
[05:33] <jude>  16:33:04  up 148 days,  1:19
[05:33] <jude> StR: not a clue
[05:34] <jude> bigbrain is my server upstairs
[05:34] <KaiL> StR: hmm
[05:35] <membreya> StR: journal is exactly what it says
[05:35] <membreya> like a diary..to keep notes to yourself
[05:51] <StR> how do I set konsole so I see colors when I do "ls"
[05:55] <membreya> what type of colours StR ?
[05:55] <StR> how do I setup an encoding for konsole, so I don't have to set it up everytime I run konsole?
[05:55] <membreya> mine displays colours between different types
[05:55] <StR> membreya: done that.. sorry...
[05:56] <StR> now I need to set the default enconding for konsole
[05:56] <Tm_T> eh
[05:57] <imPULSIV> hallo gr euch
[05:57] <imPULSIV> bin neu hier
[05:57] <imPULSIV> now english
[05:58] <Tm_T> ok, so you're new in here
[05:58] <Tm_T> can you speak english?
[05:58] <Tm_T> or at least write it?
[05:58] <imPULSIV> si
[05:58] <imPULSIV> :)
[05:58] <Tm_T> 'cause I have no idea what language was that
[05:58] <malte> guten tag
[05:59] <Tm_T> =)
[05:59] <imPULSIV> German
[05:59] <imPULSIV> dach auch
[05:59] <Tm_T> so I thought
[05:59] <imPULSIV> right you were
[05:59] <malte> ich spreche ein bisschen deutsch
[05:59] <Tm_T> bisse = beer ;p
[05:59] <imPULSIV> great but where are you from then malte
[05:59] <membreya> ich bin ein arsche lecken Sie
[05:59] <malte> imPULSIV, i'm from sweden :)
[06:00] <Tm_T> malte: oh, sverige !
[06:00] <imPULSIV> sehr geil membreya#
[06:00] <membreya> wassat imPULSIV ?:P
[06:00] <Tm_T> malte: hello from east :)
[06:00] <imPULSIV> so the question for today (but maybe not the last is....
[06:00] <malte> Tm_T :) i don't speak finnish though :\
[06:01] <imPULSIV> how do i get the icons for personal folder and so on to show on my desk?
[06:01] <membreya> malte: let me put it in your native tongue...mumma mia..here we go again..my my ..
[06:01] <Tm_T> malte: and I speak swedish only a little bit =)
[06:01] <malte> membreya, go abba :)
[06:01] <membreya> :D
[06:01] <imPULSIV> lovley membreya
[06:01] <malte> Tm_T, cool :) i know "yxi kaxi kolme" though
[06:01] <Tm_T> malte: even after 6 years of studying it :p
[06:02] <membreya> it just reinforces the view of swedes being tall blonde n sexy :P
[06:02] <malte> :o
[06:02] <Tm_T> malte: it's yksi :p
[06:02] <Tm_T> malte: you know perkele then?
[06:02] <malte> Tm_T, sry :) yeah, perkele i've heard before
[06:02] <Tm_T> haha
[06:02] <trougnouf> gn?
[06:02] <kay> hi :)
[06:03] <Tm_T> malte: so what's the weather in there? still have some snow?
[06:03] <imPULSIV> i want the iconsfor personal folder and trash to show up on my desktop instead of startpanel
[06:03] <imPULSIV> how does that work
[06:03] <imPULSIV> kiss keep it short and simple
[06:03] <malte> Tm_T, it's mostly gone now, we've actually been having rather nice spring weather the last couple of weeks :)
[06:04] <malte> Tm_T, how 'bout you/
[06:04] <malte> ?*
[06:04] <imPULSIV> arent you using ubuntu with kde here?
[06:04] <Tm_T> same here, but mostly snow still in here east, southern Finland is greener
[06:05] <imPULSIV> wtf y is everybody simply ignoring mykindly asked questions?
[06:05] <malte> Tm_T, where do you live? i'm from stockholm
[06:05] <Fhigo> how...
[06:06] <imPULSIV> does that work?
[06:06] <imPULSIV> already asked like that but it doesnt seem towork here
[06:06] <Tm_T> malte: I'm from Joensuu
[06:06] <imPULSIV> plz anyone here help
[06:06] <Tm_T> imPULSIV: hmm, what was your question again?
[06:07] <Fhigo> HELP PLZ .. i downloaded kubuntu and i tried to install but everytime same error @ install he can't find a spezific package.. i don't know if its a problem with my cd-bruner.. or i dont know because i tried a few cds
[06:07] <imPULSIV> how i got the trash to show on desktop
[06:07] <malte> Tm_T, mkay :) don't know where that is i'm afraid
[06:07] <Tm_T> malte: farther east
[06:07] <imPULSIV> so Tm_T
[06:08] <Tm_T> imPULSIV: just right click on desktop, create new icon ...
[06:08] <malte> Tm_T, ok, cool
[06:08] <Fhigo> same problem was at the ubuntu too
[06:08] <jude> how do I set up kubuntu so I can compile kde apps?
[06:08] <Fhigo> but just @ hoary
[06:09] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:09] <Tm_T> jude: just install all needed devels and libs and compilers
[06:09] <Fhigo> nobody knows my problem? *crys*
[06:09] <jude> Tm_T: and they are?
[06:09] <Fhigo> i want kubuntu
[06:09] <Tm_T> jude: it depends
[06:10] <Tm_T> Fhigo: sounds strange
[06:10] <imPULSIV> so ill be gone for now
[06:10] <malte> jude, take a look at kde-devel
[06:10] <imPULSIV> thanks for helping so far
[06:10] <Tm_T> Fhigo: you sure your image is ok?
[06:10] <Fhigo> it must be ok
[06:10] <Fhigo> but how i told
[06:10] <jude> thanks malte
[06:10] <Fhigo> it was at the usuall ubutu hoary also
[06:10] <Fhigo> too
[06:11] <Fhigo> i burned it on my mac.. with toast.. could this be the problem?
[06:11] <Tm_T> jude: install gcc, g++, c++ and qt related packages too
[06:12] <Tm_T> Fhigo: you burned it from image?
[06:12] <Fhigo> yes
[06:12] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:13] <Tm_T> dunno if it make any difference, but checj if the data protocol is correct
[06:13] <Tm_T> typo :/
[06:13] <jude> apt-get install kde-devel installs 119Mb worth - I'll see what's missing after that :)
[06:13] <Tm_T> =)
[06:13] <Tm_T> not much
[06:13] <Fhigo> fuck off .. everything suckz
[06:13] <Fhigo> hmm
[06:13] <Fhigo> okay thanx for help
[06:13] <Fhigo> later :)
[06:13] <Tm_T> =)
[06:13] <Tm_T> good luck
[06:17] <jude>  "sudo apt-cache search qt-devel" returns nothing - anyone know the package name I need?
[06:18] <StR> apt-cache search dev | grep qt
[06:18] <StR> libqt3-dev
[06:19] <jude> brilliant, thanks StR 
[06:20] <jude> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:20] <jude>   kde-devel kdebase-dev kdelibs4-dev kdesdk kspy libarts1-dev libkonq4-dev
[06:20] <jude>   libqt3-mt-dev
[06:20] <eckhart> hi
[06:20] <jude> the qt install removed kde-devel!
[06:20] <jude> bummer
[06:20] <Tm_T> ah
[06:21] <eckhart> i have some partitions on an s-ata hard disc drive
[06:21] <Tm_T> so dont install it
[06:21] <jude> too late :)
[06:21] <eckhart> the root partition is ide
[06:21] <Tm_T> jude: err
[06:21] <jude> indeed :)
[06:21] <Tm_T> jude: don't say you installed it?
[06:21] <StR> jude: install them again
[06:21] <jude> indeed I did
[06:21] <Tm_T> haha
[06:21] <eckhart> now on booting, kubuntu does not find the s-ata partitions of the fstab
[06:21] <jude> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:21] <jude>   libqt3-dev
[06:21] <Tm_T> jude: so install kde-dev again
[06:21] <Tm_T> yes!
[06:22] <jude> looks like I can't have both for some odd reason
[06:22] <Tm_T> 'cause it seems to be included in kde-dev
[06:22] <Tm_T> so you don't need it as separate package
[06:22] <psn> jude: jude you need libqt3-mt-devel which was already installed
[06:22] <jude> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:23] <jude> thats after reinstalling kde-dev
[06:23] <Tm_T> jude: I got same problem, dunno why
[06:23] <Tm_T> jude: you compiling boton?
[06:23] <Tm_T> +are
[06:23] <jude> no, knetmonapplet
[06:24] <jude> first try at a compile on here
[06:24] <membreya> jude: sudo apt-get install qt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers
[06:24] <jude> $ sudo apt-get install qt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers
[06:24] <jude> Reading package lists... Done
[06:24] <jude> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:24] <jude> E: Couldn't find package qt3-mt-dev
[06:25] <membreya> sorry libqt3-mt-dev :P
[06:25] <membreya> it's 2.30 am here :P
[06:25] <jude> hehe
[06:25] <jude> libqt3-mt-dev is already the newest version.
[06:25] <jude> libqt3-headers is already the newest version.
[06:25] <jude> path problems maybe?
[06:26] <membreya> hmmm
[06:28] <membreya> im getting the same errors :|
[06:29] <jude> I was just getting to like kubuntu as well :/
[06:30] <jude> but if I can only have stuff that pre-packaged...
[06:30] <zack> amu: please stop ignoring me and answer my mail. if you need me to resend it, i will. 
[06:30] <StR> jude: what are you trying to compile?
[06:30] <jude> knetmonapplet
[06:30] <jude> http://hftom.club.fr/knetmonapplet/index.html
[06:32] <StR> jude: ./configure worked?
[06:33] <jude> no, error: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:37] <jude> I get the same error trying to compile a different app
[06:37] <StR> jude: I get the same as you trying to compile that applet...
[06:37] <StR> jude: don't know about other....
[06:38] <jude> I'll have to see about checking the qt install I suppose
[06:38] <jude> but it's time to go cook dinner - I'll see you all later
[06:38] <jude> ta for the help
[06:42] <amu> zack: sorry for it, i didnt found time for it. Well if you're here we can talk also in realtime. That's fine for you?   
[06:52] <membreya> come back jude!
[06:55] <StR> membreya: LOL!
[06:55] <StR> membreya: did you find how to fix it?
[06:55] <membreya> yup
[06:56] <StR> membreya: how?
[06:56] <membreya> export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3
[06:59] <malte> does anyone know if kdevelop will be added to kubuntu?
[06:59] <malte> i mean, latest (3.2 iirc)
[07:03] <StR> membreya: I tried... it "worked"  I can compile it, but...
[07:03] <StR> membreya: I tried   ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local   just to try it... 
[07:03] <StR> and I don't see anything
[07:37] <AlfonsVH> Hi guys; I've got a problem... For everyone who was here yesterday; I tried to enable DHCP in the Linux box AND in the Win2k box, but when I go to Network Settings on the linux box, it always says that the eth0 device is disabled. When I enable it and go back to control center to check the status, it's disabled again. How does this come?
[07:41] <AlfonsVH> any idea, uniq, since you seem to know something about win2k
[07:44] <alex> how do i install mplayer?
[07:47] <malte> add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get install mplayer
[07:51] <Vorik> AlfonsVH: Try to do ifup eth0'
[07:51] <Vorik> as root
[07:51] <Vorik> then you get an error message
[07:52] <kkathman> does anyone use the cynapses monitor on their desktop?
[07:52] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: what makes you think thats a w2k problem?
[07:52] <AlfonsVH> Vorik, it says "ethernet device already configured"
[07:52] <Vorik> ok, then try first: "ifdown eth0"
[07:53] <Vorik> then "ifup eth0"
[07:53] <AlfonsVH> _ReDrum_, I'm not sure, I just thought
[07:53] <Vorik> beware:
[07:53] <Vorik> you will lose your network connection for a moment
[07:54] <Vorik> question: Your w2k box works well with dhcp?
[07:54] <AlfonsVH> Vorik; to be honest, I don't know; it's configured to have DHCP enabled; haven't tried it
[07:54] <Vorik> do you have a dhcp server fully operational then?
[07:55] <AlfonsVH> haven't got a clue (I'm a newbie in networking AND linux, see); how to test it?
[07:55] <Vorik> well, if you don't know, you probably dont have it...
[07:55] <AlfonsVH> I have configured it, Vorik
[07:55] <AlfonsVH> but I don't know if it works ok
[07:55] <Vorik> oh ok
[07:55] <_ReDRuM_> grep ^IPADDR /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.info
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> that should tell you...
[07:56] <AlfonsVH> by the way; vorik; the box does not receive a DHCP responce
[07:56] <Vorik> ok, then it isnt working
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: what is the dhcp server?
[07:56] <AlfonsVH> _redrum_, do you mean the IP address?
[07:56] <Vorik> which computer?
[07:56] <AlfonsVH> Win 2k
[07:57] <_ReDRuM_> talk about go about things backward :P
[07:57] <Vorik> ok, then check if the service is running
[07:57] <AlfonsVH> I use a LAN connection and a USB ADSL connection
[07:57] <AlfonsVH> yes it is running
[07:57] <Vorik> ok.. is it a w2k server?
[07:57] <AlfonsVH> euh... Just win2k professional connected with a LAN cable to the linux box
[07:58] <Vorik> crosslink? of via een hub
[07:58] <StR> anyone else getting problems displaying  chars like:     in kde?
[07:58] <AlfonsVH> crosslink
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: do you mind if you lose your linux network connection a second?
[07:58] <AlfonsVH> nope
[07:58] <Vorik> StR: None at all
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> killall dhclient3 && dhclient3 -d
[07:58] <AlfonsVH> ok
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> should display helpful debug message
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> hey
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> this channels grown by a third since i started coming in here
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> that was fast
[07:59] <StR> Vorik: I have this problem, but when I set encoding to western-europena..... i can see it..
[07:59] <StR> Vorik: but not with the "default"
[07:59] <StR> Vorik: how can I set the default encoding?
[08:00] <Vorik> StR: Just a moment
[08:00] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: get your debug messages?
[08:00] <tibal> hi !
[08:01] <tibal> new to kubuntu, just installed it :)
[08:01] <tibal> it rox ! good job
[08:01] <AlfonsVH> _redrum_, it says "Sit0 unknown hardware address type 776 and than some copyright stuff and then DHCPDISCOVER on 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval xx  .... no DHCPOFFERS received ... no working leases blahblahblah ... sleeping"
[08:01] <Vorik> Did you try Settings://Accessibility/ and then (translating from dutch) Country/Region and language --> Country?
[08:01] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: sure your windows box isnt firewalled with zonealarm or some similar program?
[08:01] <tibal> How can i set auto loggin ?
[08:01] <Vorik> I think its that
[08:01] <_ReDRuM_> hmm that sit0 stuff.......
[08:02] <_ReDRuM_> what kind of ethernet card is that?
[08:02] <AlfonsVH> Vorik; I'm flemish so I speak Dutch :p
[08:02] <AlfonsVH> nope, _redrum_, not firewalled
[08:02] <Vorik> :)
[08:02] <_ReDRuM_> is it a wifi card
[08:02] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[08:02] <AlfonsVH> the sit0 wasn't there a couple of minutes ag
[08:02] <Vorik> AlfonsVH: You did configure a scope and such things?
[08:02] <AlfonsVH> no wifi card; just a PCI ethernet card on the linux box (3com 10/100) and a pnp card on the 2k
[08:03] <AlfonsVH> Vorik: how do you mean, scope?
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> is it a laptop?
[08:03] <AlfonsVH> no
[08:03] <Vorik> AlfonsVH: You can use the "configuratiescherm" -> Systeembeheer -> DHCP (i think) to check if the service is up and configure scopes.
[08:03] <Vorik> the range of ipadresses
[08:03] <AlfonsVH> It's a compaq EP/SB series (pentium III)
[08:03] <AlfonsVH> no don't think so, Vorik.
[08:04] <AlfonsVH> don't know how, to be hones
[08:04] <AlfonsVH> t
[08:04] <Vorik> then that's the problem. 
[08:04] <Vorik> Did you find the DHCP icon?
[08:04] <tibal> Hey, I see you speak about NIC.. I cant change any settings in KDE control panel for network. I type my password but everything it grey and not modifiable !
[08:04] <AlfonsVH> I'll go and see; wait a minute
[08:05] <Vorik> tibal: is there an 'admin mode' button on the bottom?
[08:05] <tibal> On a fresh install I'm a bit disapointed
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> no scope
[08:05] <AlfonsVH> no dhcp icon in 'system configuration', Vorik, but in 'Network blahblah' it is enabled
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[08:05] <AlfonsVH> don't laugh at me ;)
[08:05] <Vorik> tibal: if you install webmin (first change your root password) you can easily configure stuff
[08:06] <tibal> Vorik: of course, I must rezise the window to see it but after typing the pass, options are not unlocked ! and it doesn't write that it's false
[08:06] <Vorik> is there a dhcp server installed on the w2k box then?
[08:06] <tibal> Vorik: webmin on a laptop :( :( :(
[08:06] <_ReDRuM_> 2k3 comes with one cant remember if 2k does more than likely
[08:06] <_ReDRuM_> webmin fullstop yuucky
[08:06] <Vorik> lol
[08:07] <AlfonsVH> euhm... DHCP is only enabled in the network settings, nothing more. KaiL and uniq told me yesterday to enable it and they assumed it should work
[08:07] <tibal> Vorik: have you this bug ?
[08:07] <tibal> Vorik: it is also for other section in the panel, I can't do nothing
[08:07] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: that tells your win2k to be a dhcp client if you just enable it in the network settings of the adapter...
[08:07] <Vorik> Well, that is not going to work.. You need to install a dhcp server. But a lot - and i mean A LOT - easier would be if you configured the networkcards manually
[08:07] <Vorik> tibal: i'll try
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> it will be easier to do it manually alfons for sure :)
[08:08] <AlfonsVH> and how to do that
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> just specify an ip number on windows
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> say 192.168.50.1
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> with a netmask of 255.255.255.0
[08:08] <_ReDRuM_> where you told it to "obtain ip address automatically" before
[08:09] <AlfonsVH> I did that before, and i runned the program Proxy (by analogX) and specified the proxy settings in Linux, and that worked for konqueror, but not for apt-get and stuff. Yes, it's obtained manually now, but when I used the proxy it wasn't
[08:09] <Vorik> tibal: which applet is it?
[08:09] <tibal> Network Settings
[08:09] <_ReDRuM_> oh i see you want to share your whole internet with the linux 
[08:09] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:10] <Vorik> yes, i've got it too
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> ... is there any pressing reason you cant use your dsl on the linux ?
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> and share with the windows
[08:10] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[08:10] <Vorik> but webmin should work
[08:10] <tibal> Vorik: here settings:/Network/ and after the icon named "Network Settings"
[08:10] <tibal> Vorik: ok but I will never install it
[08:10] <Vorik> :)
[08:11] <AlfonsVH> dunno; _redrum_; but it's a USB modem and I'd like to keep it connected to the 2k box
[08:11] <_ReDRuM_> ... then i think windows 2000 included RAS services and you should be able to share your internet with that
[08:11] <Vorik> _redrum_: also for linux?
[08:11] <_ReDRuM_> of course its just a DHCP server with NAT
[08:11] <AlfonsVH> where can I find the files to configure it?
[08:12] <Vorik> yeah, that's right!
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: this isnt a windows help channel :P
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> you need a windows help channel for that
[08:12] <Vorik> wait: isnt that only for win xp?
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> i cant remember off hand and proprietary software sucks :)
[08:12] <AlfonsVH> haha but I when I post it there, then they'd be complaining that I'm talking 'bout Linux. 
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: you are thinking of internet connection sharing
[08:12] <_ReDRuM_> 9x does that too, im nto sure if 2k does - probably not
[08:13] <Vorik> yeah
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> 2k is more likely to do RAS services
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: dont tell them
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: dont mention linux
[08:13] <AlfonsVH> when I look to the internet settings properties, it is able to share it and it's enabled
[08:13] <Vorik> :)
[08:13] <AlfonsVH> _redrum_, I won't ;)
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> just say that it needs to be for an old computer without internet connection sharing
[08:13] <AlfonsVH> do you know any good win channel?
[08:13] <Vorik> haha, not all windows people are allergic to linux
[08:13] <_ReDRuM_> not on this network
[08:14] <Vorik> i am an MCSE :)
[08:14] <AlfonsVH> oh
[08:14] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: its not that hard (tho its easier on linux) google for something like +"windows 2000 NAT"
[08:14] <_ReDRuM_> NAT is the technology you want
[08:14] <Vorik> if the w2k box acts as a router, it will be fine too
[08:14] <AlfonsVH> but I did share the connection on the 2k box; only I don't know how to configure linux etc... by the way; wat's NAT?
[08:14] <_ReDRuM_> network address translation
[08:14] <Vorik> well
[08:15] <Vorik> no, not true
[08:15] <Vorik> that it can act as a router and all is fine i mean
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> NAT isn't network address translation? sure it is.
[08:15] <Vorik> you really need nat
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> your an MCSE vorik!!!
[08:15] <Vorik> yeah, i know :)
[08:15] <_ReDRuM_> you should know how to do NAT on 2k :)
[08:15] <Vorik> that it can act as a router and all is fine i mean
[08:16] <Vorik> my own remark wasnt true :)
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> oh right
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[08:16] <Vorik> hah
[08:16] <Vorik> :)
[08:16] <gsuveg> re
[08:16] <gsuveg> anybody know a pw generator for kde ?
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: google for windows 2000 nat, windows 2k nat
[08:16] <membreya> it's ok Vorik, you're an MCSE :P
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> or put the dsl on linux
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> and we will help you do it that way
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> your cool :)
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> s/cool/call/
[08:17] <Vorik> an usb dsl on linux?
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: i ran a USB dsl on linux....
[08:17] <AlfonsVH> nono usb dsl on win2k
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> since 2001
[08:17] <AlfonsVH> yes, but I want to keep it running on 2k
[08:17] <Vorik> haha
[08:17] <AlfonsVH> by the way; NAT is only included in server edition and I don't find a download for it
[08:17] <Vorik> ok
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: then you need to get your wallet out :)
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> or stop using crappy proprietry software
[08:18] <edgar> hi
[08:18] <AlfonsVH> hmmmm I'm not really willing to :p
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> then you are screwed.
[08:18] <AlfonsVH> shit
[08:18] <Vorik> perhaps there is third party software that gives you NAT on w2k pro
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: i know of several, none are free
[08:19] <AlfonsVH> and what if I use vncserver or something
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: wont let you go on the internet
[08:19] <AlfonsVH> or VPN
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> again nope
[08:19] <Vorik> you can configure your w2k as a proxy.
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: he tried that but it was only good for HTTP traffic not many of his other programs
[08:19] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> suppose you could use socks or some other equally yucky solution
[08:20] <Vorik> hmm
[08:20] <AlfonsVH> ftp traffic too, but the apt-get didn't work etc...
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> there might be a free socks server for windows
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> thats a headache tho sockisfying all your linux apps, if your not comfortable using a usb dsl with linux ud hate that
[08:20] <AlfonsVH> don't talk about it then ;)
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> nope sorry, wallet, linux, proxy and live without automated app's, or screwed.
[08:21] <Vorik> then format your w2k box and install kubuntu ;)
[08:21] <AlfonsVH> haha no my family won't let me
[08:21] <Vorik> just make them!
[08:21] <AlfonsVH> but can't I configure the apt-get and stuff to use the proxy?
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: probably :)
[08:21] <AlfonsVH> but how, how, how, how!!
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> type man apt-get , press the / key and then type roxy and press enter
[08:22] <_ReDRuM_> thats the first place to looks
[08:22] <Vorik> install synaptic
[08:22] <_ReDRuM_> synaptic does built in proxy?
[08:22] <Vorik> there you can configure it easily
[08:22] <_ReDRuM_> maybe kpackage does too
[08:22] <Vorik> well, it probably instructs apt-get to use a proxy :)
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> wow a feature that synaptic has and kpackage doesnt
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> easy configuration of apt proxy settings.
[08:23] <AlfonsVH> nothing 'bout proxy in the manual as far as I see
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> noticed it using 350mb of ram earlier
[08:24] <AlfonsVH> is it possible to install Synaptic on kubuntu without installing millions of stupid libs and stuff?
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> check synaptic does do easy proxy config first vorik
[08:24] <Vorik> ?
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: you sure synaptic has a nice "enter proxy here" button?
[08:25] <AlfonsVH> to be honest, I don't like kynaptic
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/06/msg00579.html
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> kynaptic is gay
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> i use kpackage
[08:25] <Vorik> the first thing i do is install synaptic :)
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> that was the second hit on google
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> tells you where to set proxy for apt
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: tried kpackage?
[08:25] <AlfonsVH> nope
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> apart from being a ram whore it owns synaptic
[08:26] <Vorik> no, just installed it.. 
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> alfonsvh: edit the file ~/.bash_profile
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> where ~/ is your homedir (typing that should do it automatically)
[08:26] <Vorik> can i use rpm repositories with kpackage
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> add to the file
[08:26] <Vorik> ?
[08:27] <AlfonsVH> and there type in the proxy settings as in the url or what?
[08:27] <_ReDRuM_> export ftp_proxy=ftp://your-ftp-proxy
[08:27] <AlfonsVH> I'll try
[08:27] <_ReDRuM_> and the same for http_proxy
[08:27] <_ReDRuM_> then
[08:27] <membreya> ooo I like kpackage :)
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> you will need to either - restart or in the console window type source ~/.bash_profile
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> and then run apt-get/kynaptic/kpackage/whatever from a console you have typed that source command in until you reboot
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: sorry
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> minor error
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> put it in ~/.profile
[08:28] <AlfonsVH> ok
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> not in ~/.bash_profile
[08:29] <_ReDRuM_> or kde will ignore it
[08:29] <_ReDRuM_> kde should read ~/.profile iirc
[08:29] <Vorik> can i use any rpm repositories with kpackage? WIll they function as well as debian ones?
[08:29] <_ReDRuM_> where is debians rc.local file
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> that would be a better place for this surely
[08:30] <AlfonsVH> hm I'll search for it
[08:30] <AlfonsVH> but I then have to configure my IP address on the 2k box manually and then run the Proxy program eh?
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: rpms are build for redhat unless theyre compiled statically the wont work at all
[08:30] <zack> amu: i'm actually studying for finaly exams right now; if you want to talk on irc about it i'll have to get back to you later...
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> hey some of them will
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> its hit and miss
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> Vorik: grab one and install it with alien
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> then you will know
[08:31] <Vorik> ok
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: yes
[08:31] <AlfonsVH> ok I'm going to reboot my linux box and try it all out
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: if you want it automated you have to pay up or use linux
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[08:32] <amu> zack: no prob, i'm here the 4-5h 
[08:32] <AlfonsVH> but I do have to DISABLE DHCP on linux eh?
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[08:32] <AlfonsVH> k
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> if you had windows xp you could do it i dont think 2k has internet connection sharing tho
[08:32] <AlfonsVH> yes it has...
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> oh
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> well - you can use that
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> thats a dhcp/nat server
[08:33] <AlfonsVH> yes but it doesn't seem to work
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> it should do
[08:33] <AlfonsVH> it doesn't
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> my sister uses it with a playstation
[08:33] <Vorik> that's silly
[08:33] <AlfonsVH> but a playstation doesn't run linux, does it ;)
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> its a fully upnp cliant dhcp/nat server
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> linux is a standard dhcp client
[08:33] <Vorik> ;if i install Mythtv with kpackage, it wants to install lots more then when I install it with synaptic
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> or rather dhclient is
[08:34] <Vorik> ey, i'm off now... I'll talk to you later.. (Will be coming here regularly)
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt matter what the client is if it talks dhcp or shouldnt do - there must be a problem somewhere.
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> you can use on linux tcpdump -xnnvi eth0
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> and watch it to see if it does communicate with the windows machine to do dhcp
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> or just stick with proxy :)
[08:35] <AlfonsVH> strange thing is that when i enable DHCP on the linux box, it keeps saying that eth0 is disabled; and when I enable it , it get's disabled again
[08:35] <_tek>  your problem with internet connection sharing is more likely that you are not setting it up correctly, i have set that up to share connections with windows and linux several times in the distant past
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: this is AFTER you ran dhcp right?
[08:35] <_tek> with win2K and xp
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> cause thats normal if it cant get an IP from dhcp then it will leave the adaptor disabled
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: yeh i know like i said my sister use a windows machine to share with her playstation
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> see alfons :)
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> two of us say its perfectly workable to do that...
[08:36] <_tek> just need to setup the second adapter in the win2k box with an ip of 192.168.0.1 or it will not work
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: doesnt the wizzard do that automatically?
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> or does 2k not have the wizzard?
[08:37] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:37] <_tek> when it works yes but i have done it many times where it did not work and i had to manually do it
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: there u go - _tek seems to remember more about windows sharing than im sure he wants to
[08:37] <Tm_T> wizzard? you mean wizard?
[08:38] <_ReDRuM_> should be able to get it working after all :)
[08:38] <_tek> windows wizards are retarded basically
[08:38] <Tm_T> =)
[08:38] <Tm_T> windows is retarded
[08:38] <Tm_T> hi _ReDRuM_ 
[08:38] <_tek> yeah, but as long as it keeps breaking and getting infected i keep making bank
[08:38] <AlfonsVH> _redrum_, it is after I ran dhcp yes
[08:38] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: thats normal
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> windows does the same thing
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> or almost
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> widnows assigns it a random IP address
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> linux switches it off
[08:39] <kkathman> Tm_T: well now windows isnt retarded, just a slow learner :)
[08:39] <AlfonsVH> and how to avoid that, _redrum_?
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: make it work right :)
[08:40] <_tek> is more brain dead than that woman they just took off of life support
[08:40] <_tek> windows that is
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> the problem im almost 100% certain u will find is something to do with your windows config - like _tek says if windows 2000 doesnt have a static IP it wont work with internet connection sharing
[08:40] <AlfonsVH>  but when I assign a static IP, the DHCP isn't enabled!
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: thats right...
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> thats what you want
[08:40] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> that setting is for DHCP *client*
[08:41] <kkathman> _tek:  well when you are practically the whole game in town, you can do what you want, unfortunately :(
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> nto DHCP server
[08:41] <_tek> no, it can have a dynamic connection to the internet and it will still work, the second internal LAN interface MUST have an ip of 192.168.0.1 or nothing will work
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> i didnt explain it too well
[08:41] <_tek> have run into this enough times to make me sick
[08:41] <AlfonsVH> so the lan which is connected to linux has to have that IP, shared internet connection and then I have to enable DHCP in linux and assign a static IP in linux and then it should work or what?
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: lol
[08:42] <_tek> so much easier to share a linux connection than a windows connection
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> i know
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> windows is a dodgy piece of junk but oh well
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:42] <kkathman> _tek:  but my internal LAN doesnt have that address
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: does it matter
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> so long as he sets it static
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> dont confuse the issue
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:42] <_tek> setup the linux box with 192.168.0.1 as its gateway and dns give it a static ip unless its a laptop and its gonna be on other networks
[08:43] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: set your LAN ip to 192.168.0.1 on windows machine
[08:43] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: surely dhcp should do that automatically?
[08:43] <AlfonsVH> k
[08:43] <_tek> yeah but you could be left troubleshooting dhcp server issues. why bother?
[08:44] <AlfonsVH> and which IP should the linux box have? none I assume; since I have to enable DHCP there?
[08:44] <_tek> is it a laptop or a desktop machine?
[08:44] <_ReDRuM_> cause kubuntus is set to dhcp automatic so he shouldnt need to configure *anything* that way :) but yeh i see your point if hes messed with it too much
[08:44] <AlfonsVH> desktop
[08:45] <_tek> then why bother futzing with one more setting that might be wrong? set it up manually
[08:45] <AlfonsVH> which subnetmask and gateway stuff should I give the LAN in the 2k box?
[08:45] <AlfonsVH> and DNS
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> subnetmask 255.255.255.0
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> gateway and DNS leave blank
[08:45] <AlfonsVH> ok
[08:45] <AlfonsVH> and then enable DHCP in linux
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> you can try that... or you can follow teks howto :)
[08:46] <_tek> your only setting up dns and gateway for the outside connection on the windows box
[08:46] <AlfonsVH> and disable proxy?
[08:46] <AlfonsVH> I know
[08:46] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: irrelevent... (yes)
[08:46] <_tek> k
[08:46] <AlfonsVH> ok
[08:46] <_ReDRuM_> one less thing to break windows
[08:46] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:48] <_ReDRuM_> anyone used that typing speed thing on kubuntu? :)
[08:48] <_ReDRuM_> i cant remember if i had it on gentoo or kubuntu and ive lost it
[08:49] <Tm_T> err, typing speed thing?
[08:49] <_ReDRuM_> some typing tutor
[08:49] <Tm_T> ok
[08:49] <_ReDRuM_> fun to screw around with
[08:49] <Tm_T> It's in kde
[08:49] <AlfonsVH> guys; the ethernet device stays enabled, but I still don't have internet connection on the linux box
[08:49] <_tek> nope, but on debian yes, said i type almost 80 words a minute, 60 in one direction and 20 in reverse
[08:49] <membreya> lol _tek :P
[08:50] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: you mean Ktouch?
[08:50] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: probably :)
[08:50] <_tek> did you run the ICS program AlfonsVH
[08:50] <Tm_T> ok, kde-edu
[08:50] <AlfonsVH> sorry; I DO have connection!! I forgot to disable the proxy on 2k
[08:50] <AlfonsVH> great!!!
[08:50] <Tm_T> =)
[08:50] <AlfonsVH> It works!!
[08:50] <AlfonsVH> thanks very very much guys
[08:50] <_ReDRuM_> np
[08:51] <AlfonsVH> ok I'm going to test it out; see you!!
[08:51] <_tek> again proving windows is break dead and the wizards are all on acid
[08:51] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[08:51] <AlfonsVH> haha
[08:51] <_tek> s/break/brain/
[08:51] <_ReDRuM_> s/windows/lame-os/
[08:51] <Tm_T> =)
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> k i dont have ktouch installed
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> oh well
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> its a pointless toy
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:52] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: it's in kde-edu as I said
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: i thought u said it was part of kde
[08:52] <Tm_T> =)
[08:53] <Tm_T> sorry if I mislead
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> np doesnt matter i dont even understands the numbers
[08:53] <Tm_T> 21:49 < Tm_T> uh, Kingston Wall & absinthe, well now I'm wasted
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> it says i type at like 440 which is obviously not words per minute
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> so i dunno wtf it even measures in
[08:53] <Tm_T> so my attention is in music
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> absinthe!
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> evil
[08:53] <Tm_T> yes
[08:54] <Tm_T> and whiskey
[08:54] <Tm_T> just for medicine
[08:54] <Tm_T> uh
[08:54] <Tm_T> what makes absinthe evil?
[08:54] <_ReDRuM_> the wormwood?
[08:55] <Tm_T> naeh
[08:55] <Tm_T> cause what I got don't have it much
[08:55] <Tm_T> no yet
[08:56] <_ReDRuM_> it's ok if you don't make a habit of it
[08:56] <Tm_T> but even it's not that evil as long as you don't use it too much
[08:56] <_ReDRuM_> treat it like cocaine not beer
[08:56] <Tm_T> yes
[08:56] <Tm_T> actually I don't even drink a beer
[08:56] <Tm_T> not often
[08:56] <Tm_T> and no, I'm not gonna get drunk
[08:57] <Tm_T> just wan't my thorat opened
[08:57] <Tm_T> throat I mean
[08:57] <_tek> <-- got totally rippered up last night... YUM... good beer
[08:57] <_ReDRuM_> who'd wanna open your throat?
[08:57] <Tm_T> _ReDRuM_: I mean, alcohol cleans my throat, can breath easier
[08:57] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: mmm
[08:58] <_ReDRuM_> Tm_T: clears my head :)
[08:58] <Tm_T> =)
[08:58] <_tek> working on windows systems causes me to drink
[08:58] <_ReDRuM_> in small doeses.
[08:58] <_tek> alcohol clears out my schedule
[08:58] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: hehe
[08:58] <Tm_T> _tek: uh, I understand =)
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> alcohol clears out my morals, my sensibilities, my pants and my lunch
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> usually in that order
[08:59] <_tek> recovering data from two infested windows machines right now using knoppix and reinstalling windows on them
[08:59] <_tek> LOL redrum
[08:59] <_tek> you forgot your wallet
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: of course i did, i've been drinking.
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[09:00] <_tek> well cheers, its to early for me besides still got a little left in my blood im sure
[09:00] <_ReDRuM_> 8pm here
[09:00] <_ReDRuM_> im supposed to be finishing this toaster script tho
[09:00] <_ReDRuM_> not drinking
[09:00] <_tek> high noon here
[09:01] <phxguy> anyone  use kopete in here?
[09:02] <_tek> have to go setup a new machine for a new customer in a bit, just trying to get these two windows systems started on their install now. 
[09:02] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: what now? :)
[09:02] <AlfonsVH> doesn't work anymore guys; It worked for a couple of seconds and right now it gives a timeout
[09:02] <_tek> nope, use gaim, much faster
[09:02] <AlfonsVH> timeout on server www.google.com at port 80; says konqueror
[09:02] <phxguy> gaim doesn let you set your status to invisible though
[09:02] <_tek> run a traceroute on the linux box
[09:03] <AlfonsVH> talking to me, _tek?
[09:03] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i use kopete
[09:03] <_tek> yes
[09:03] <_ReDRuM_> its a bit flakey
[09:03] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:03] <_tek> traceroute yahoo.com
[09:03] <_tek> i like the look of kopete but its slooow and a bit crashhappy for my taste
[09:03] <AlfonsVH> "command not found"
[09:03] <_tek> apt-get install traceroute
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> he cant
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> his internet is broken :)
[09:04] <_tek> might want to add tcpdump and whois
[09:04] <AlfonsVH> package is missing and indeed; inet is broken
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> jwhos better than normal whois
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: type
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> ifconfig eth0
[09:04] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> whats the ip?
[09:05] <_tek> also run route -n after you know your IP
[09:05] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: same here if kopete worked better it would be sweet but its another buggy KDE ram whore probably written in python
[09:05] <AlfonsVH> ip is 192.168.0.87
[09:05] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: ping 192.168.0.1
[09:05] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:05] <phxguy> Anybody know what the reason was to have kubuntu not use HIMEM by default?
[09:06] <AlfonsVH> ping works
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> ping AlfonsVH: killall dhclient3 ; ifconfig eth0
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> er
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> ping 66.102.9.99
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> dont type
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> that other thing
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[09:06] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:07] <AlfonsVH> not much response from the 66.102.9
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> any response?
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> does it get any packets trough?
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> press ctrl+c to stop it
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> it will give you a summary
[09:07] <AlfonsVH> no no packets
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> windows isnt routing for whatever reason then
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> check windows firewall/proxy/etc config
[09:07] <AlfonsVH> no proxy enabled; no firewall either
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> ... its a windows problem...
[09:08] <AlfonsVH> isn't it allways
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> its allocated a dhcp ip fine, you can ping the gateway
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> one thing to check
[09:08] <AlfonsVH> which is...
[09:08] <_tek> how long is your cable between the two systems? 314 foot is the limit.... hey i have seen it happen
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> route -n
[09:08] <AlfonsVH> about 10 metres
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> type that in linux
[09:09] <_tek> k
[09:09] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: connections fine
[09:09] <_ReDRuM_> its a windows problem either not correctly allocating gateway via dhcp or (more likely) not routing traffic
[09:09] <AlfonsVH> upper IP is 192.168.0.0 lower IP is 0.0.0.0
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> and the gateway of lower is 192.168.0.1 ?
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> (second column)
[09:10] <_tek> only other thing i would check and i don't remember how kubuntu does it/ check the /etc/nsswitch.conf file look for hosts and  dns should be listed first
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: he cant ping
[09:10] <AlfonsVH> yes gateway is ok
[09:10] <_tek> route add default gw 192.168.0.1
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: dont do that
[09:10] <AlfonsVH> haha
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: its fine
[09:10] <_ReDRuM_> its already listed
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> hey u can do it i guess
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> might annoy dhcp is all and dhcp is NOT your problem
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> windows not routing traffic is.
[09:11] <AlfonsVH> indeed
[09:11] <AlfonsVH> but how to fix it;....
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> turn off your windows firewall :)
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> its something wrong with the windows box
[09:12] <AlfonsVH> haven't got a firewall
[09:12] <AlfonsVH> unsecure, I know
[09:13] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know what to suggest cause yur linux client has done everything ti has to
[09:13] <AlfonsVH> yes
[09:13] <AlfonsVH> maybe I should restart windows and see what happens?
[09:13] <_ReDRuM_> and i 've forgotten most about how to setup windows internet connections sharings long long ago (i.e what boxes to click on)
[09:13] <_ReDRuM_> rebooting it is a fine idea.
[09:13] <StR> hi there...
[09:13] <StR> anyone has installed this: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt
[09:14] <_ReDRuM_> StR: its in universe
[09:14] <AlfonsVH> ok then I'll do that; if it work's you won't hear from me again on this channel today ;) otherwise you will
[09:14] <_ReDRuM_> AlfonsVH: ok :)
[09:14] <AlfonsVH> ok guys... rebooting
[09:14] <_ReDRuM_> StR: only downside of it is that if it crashes cause one of your GTK apps fucks up it kills all of them
[09:15] <_tek> using windows to do routing is like using an arsonist to clean your house
[09:15] <_ReDRuM_> bit annoying when gaim dies and brings azureus and your 40 firefox tabs down with it
[09:15] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[09:15] <_tek> all clean now!
[09:15] <_ReDRuM_> hey dude... wheres my house?
[09:16] <_tek> dude, your house is smokin!
[09:16] <_ReDRuM_> what?!? so's your mumma, check out thaat asssssss
[09:16] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: learn your lesson..don't use gaim and for god's sake don't use firefox :P
[09:17] <membreya> konqueror 0wns me bad
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> konquerer always does stupid crap on my system recently
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> like continuously using tabs when i explictitly say open a new window
[09:17] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: user error: replace user
[09:17] <_tek> i totally like konqueror for web browsing but with kubuntu it keeps crashing out on me, no issues with gaim though
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> yeh so you say
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> but you dont know what the error is do you
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> neither does anyone in #kde
[09:17] <membreya> :P just razzin ya _ReDRuM_ :)
[09:17] <StR> _ReDRuM_: but it works?
[09:17] <_ReDRuM_> StR: yeh it works fine.
[09:18] <StR> _ReDRuM_: have you installed with .deb? with apt-get? or run the autopackage?
[09:18] <bhna> why depends kdesu on root?
[09:18] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: besides, OS shouldnt be web browser...
 _ReDRuM those are called pebkac errors
[09:18] <_ReDRuM_> dont these guys learn anything from windows
[09:18] <_tek> problem exists between keyboard and chair
[09:18] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: it makes me feel warm and fuzzy and all redmond'ish :D
[09:18] <_ReDRuM_> i suppose its not as bad
[09:18] <_ReDRuM_> since ppl arent logged in as admin generally
[09:19] <_tek> my fav is the ID-10T error
[09:19] <_ReDRuM_> but still , one more thing to go wrong, OS should KISS
[09:19] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: yes but as opposed to IE ..konqueror is somewhat powerful :)
[09:19] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: yeh ... no.
[09:19] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: and slow... ram hungry...
[09:19] <membreya> slow? :|
[09:20] <membreya> what sort of system are you running
[09:20] <_ReDRuM_> an athlong 2800+
[09:20] <membreya> amd64 3200 :)
[09:20] <_tek> konqueror rocks when it doesn't crash, can totally configure the shit out of it
[09:20] <_ReDRuM_> k great.
[09:20] <_ReDRuM_> *all* of KDE would rock more if it was stable :)
[09:21] <_ReDRuM_> i almost lost my mind and installed gnome earlier
[09:21] <membreya> where would the fun be then ?
[09:21] <_tek> that is kde3.4 issues
[09:21] <membreya> gnome shits me ..no friggin ability to edit the menu ..what's that about
[09:21] <_tek> not kde in general
[09:21] <membreya> kde4's in the first half of 2005..AFAIK :)
[09:21] <_tek> gnome is sane be default and if it doesnt work for you you must be insane in the membrane
[09:22] <membreya> gnome works..but kde is pretty and tweakable :)
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[09:22] <_tek> gnome can munch my nutsack, it sucks
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> i like kdes tweakability
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> thats why im usin it
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> gnome is ... tbh probably inferior to windows
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> kde needs a beating for its buggyness tho
[09:23] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: it shows by it's popularity...53 users in #gnome..honestly
[09:23] <_ReDRuM_> like kaffeine for example
[09:23] <_ReDRuM_> wtf is that bullshit kaffeine loading and eating all my cpu without me doing anything
[09:23] <_tek> i would go so far to say gnome is inferior to a etch-a-sketch
[09:23] <_ReDRuM_> reminds me of that poxy windows explorer avi hook bug but worse cause kaffeine doesnt timeout eventually
[09:23] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches, good nigth
[09:24] <_tek> killall kaffeine
[09:24] <_ReDRuM_> _tek - yeh great.... i have it on an alias "kk" cause it happens so often :)
[09:24] <bhna> When I go to the kde config-centre, and choose a part where I have to fill in my sudo password, then after a while kde is jumping back to the config-centre startscreen.
[09:24] <_ReDRuM_> alias kk='killall -9 kaffeine'
[09:24] <_ReDRuM_> id delete it but then vlc goes and malfunctions sometimes :)
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> none of that kde sudo shit works properly
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> its not a sudo pass tho
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> its a root pass
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> it wants your su pass
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> ...
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> that kdesu crap tho it doest work
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> its anothe known kde bug :)
[09:25] <membreya> works for me *shrugs*
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: the most unhelpful comment ever :)
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> ive looked around kde's site
[09:26] <membreya> that's what I'm good for :D
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> they acknoledge its a kde issue
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: run sudo -p
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> and then type kcontrol
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> from in there you can do admin stuff
[09:26] <membreya> but then again, I'm one of the fools affects by the nvidia/renderaccel bug :|
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: really? works for me :)
[09:26] <membreya> bite me :P
[09:27] <Tm_T> =)
[09:27] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: i know kdesu drives me crazy
[09:27] <Tm_T> haha
[09:27] <membreya> oh ...ATI ..now there's a good gfx card :P
[09:27] <Tm_T> thoho
[09:27] <Fhigo> I WANT KUBUNTU!!!! ;)
[09:27] <Tm_T> I HAVE KUBUNTU!!!1
[09:27] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:27] <Fhigo> lol
[09:27] <Fhigo> fucker ^^
[09:27] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: dont use it
[09:27] <_ReDRuM_> its broken
[09:28] <Tm_T> Metallica - Four Horsemen :p
[09:28] <_ReDRuM_> maybe i might make a snapshot deb of kde with half of these bugs ironed out if nobody else can be bothered - when i finish my LFS auto bootstrap/toaster
[09:28] <membreya> shit..5.30 am :|
[09:28] <Tm_T> heh
[09:28] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: is there any bugreport?
[09:28] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: ...what bugs? :P
[09:28] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: yeh
[09:28] <Tm_T> membreya: you are from where? aussie?
[09:28] <membreya> Tm_T: that's the one :)
[09:29] <Tm_T> heh
[09:29] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: go and play tux racer on your accelerated video card
[09:29] <membreya> g'day mate..throw another shrimp on the barbie yada yada
[09:29] <membreya> i hate you _ReDRuM_ ...with a passion
[09:29] <Tm_T> membreya: jIt was educated guess =)
[09:29] <_ReDRuM_> that's what us limey wankers are for.
[09:29] <Tm_T> haha
[09:29] <Tm_T> membreya: play supertux, great game
[09:29] <membreya> i know it's a great game
[09:30] <membreya> but it's icky without ogl
[09:30] <Tm_T> heh, UT2k4 runs smooothly <3
[09:30] <membreya> and without renderaccel
[09:30] <membreya> ....
[09:30] <_ReDRuM_> GOAL!!!!
[09:30] <_ReDRuM_> gday mate
[09:30] <membreya> rugby? :|
[09:30] <StR> _ReDRuM_: could you help me?  do you have the .deb?
[09:30] <_ReDRuM_> gday sport
[09:30] <membreya> where's the friggin logic in rugby..they throw the ball...BACKWARDS!
[09:30] <_ReDRuM_> StR: its in the repo
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: dunno, i like the game though - much prefer it to football :)
[09:31] <membreya> which football are you referring to ?
[09:31] <StR> kubuntu repo? or that kalyxo repo?
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> any football :)
[09:31] <membreya> AFL, Soccer, Rugby, GridIron
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> but the real football of course
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> soccer
[09:31] <membreya> oh ...90 mins..MAYBE 1 goal
[09:31] <membreya> hold me back
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> that's why i prefer rugby :)
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> apart from punching people
[09:32] <membreya> don't like _ReDRuM_ ..you like watching the rucks
[09:32] <_tek> back in a few
[09:32] <membreya> dont lie even
[09:32] <membreya> FUCK!
[09:32] <membreya> i totally screwed that insult up
[09:32] <_ReDRuM_> eh slow down
[09:32] <_ReDRuM_> we can start with a suck first
[09:32] <membreya> LOL
[09:32] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[09:33] <_ReDRuM_> yeh its all that
[09:33] <membreya> 2 inches of pure english lovin'
[09:33] <StR> _ReDRuM_: I don't find it in the rep
[09:33] <_ReDRuM_> StR: its in there
[09:33] <_ReDRuM_> maybe in universe or multiverse
[09:33] <_ReDRuM_> enable them....
[09:34] <StR> _ReDRuM_: I do have universe and multiverse...
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: you've seen me with a hard-on? :/
[09:34] <Fhigo> when you were talking i wasn't listen to word say.. *sings* ^^
[09:34] <membreya> hahaha
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> StR: er
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> well its there...
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> sec
[09:34] <membreya> www.redrumspr0n.net
[09:34] <_ReDRuM_> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:34] <Fhigo> wtf is goin on O.o
[09:36] <_ReDRuM_> Fhigo: ?
[09:36] <Fhigo> don't care
[09:36] <Fhigo> ^^
[09:36] <StR> _ReDRuM_: E: Couldn't find package gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:36] <_ReDRuM_> k
[09:36] <_ReDRuM_> StR: using hoary?
[09:36] <Fhigo> i'm out for a beer ... later guys 
[09:36] <StR> _ReDRuM_: yes...
[09:37] <_ReDRuM_> StR: then... you dont have all the repos enabled :)
[09:37] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get update
[09:37] <_ReDRuM_> enable the repos..
[09:37] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get update
[09:38] <alex> hi everyone
[09:38] <_ReDRuM_> hi alex
[09:38] <alex> does anyone know why knode and kmail are not in the kubuntu K menu ?
[09:39] <membreya> alex: looked under internet?
[09:39] <alex> no they are not under internet ;)
[09:39] <membreya> then add them *slaps*
[09:39] <alex> although they are installed
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> Hello humans
[09:40] <exek> hi all, can somebody help me with kde headers files?
[09:40] <_ReDRuM_> alex: open the PIM in office
[09:40] <_ReDRuM_> thats got kmail in it
[09:40] <StR> _ReDRuM_: could you msg me your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <darkaudit> membreya: they're in the Debian menu if you run update-menus, but they're no in the Kubuntu or Ubuntu menus
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> exek: just download them using synaptic
[09:40] <membreya> darkaudit: they were in my menus from a fresh install ..as far as i remember..but that was 2 days ago
[09:40] <exek> I tried
[09:40] <membreya> yes...they were
[09:41] <exek> apt-get install kdelibs4-dev
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> exek: what happened/
[09:41] <_ReDRuM_> oh crap cant dcc
[09:41] <_ReDRuM_> err
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> This are the developement files for kde
[09:41] <darkaudit> membreya: they were in my Ubuntu menu until about 10 days before the release
[09:41] <Borg^Queen> You need the headers which I think, are in a package al their own.
[09:42] <exek> error has about 39 lines...
[09:42] <membreya> darkaudit: mine is a fresh install of kubuntu 5.04 
[09:42] <membreya> but it could be like admin mode in control centre... I have access to that :P
[09:43] <darkaudit> hmm... I call kmail with a click on my mail desklet anyway ;)
[09:43] <membreya> darkaudit: why not just leave it running?
[09:43] <exek> heh... sorry for disturbing... i used apt-get -f install and its something repairng :)
[09:43] <alex> i've just tried supertux: this is indeed a great game !
[09:43] <exek> but thanks for help
[09:44] <exek> try abuse :)
[09:44] <Borg^Queen> did it fix it?
[09:44] <membreya> crack-attack, frozen bubble, klickety and kbounce are all great time wasters :D
[09:45] <exek> i dont know yet... its downloading some stuff
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> membreya: SuperTux
[09:45] <exek> but it propably repair it
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> exek: so its a go?
[09:45] <membreya> Borg^Queen: i know ... 
[09:45] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[09:46] <SuperCatFrog> hello all
[09:46] <exek> Borg^Queen: i think so
[09:46] <exek> Borg^Queen: Do You played ever abuse?
[09:46] <exek> this game rox ;D
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> No. Abuse, sounds nasty
[09:47] <membreya> lol it's a fun old skool game :)
[09:47] <SuperCatFrog> abuse is cool - i used to play it on my 486dx
[09:47] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know where ubuntu's bugzilla is?
[09:47] <Borg^Queen> Never played it
[09:48] <exek> this game is so old? wow... but it rox :)
[09:48] <\sh> SuperCatFrog: bugzilla.ubuntu.com?
[09:48] <SuperCatFrog> sh - tried
[09:48] <\sh> SuperCatFrog: but there it is ;)
[09:48] <motaboy> Hi all!
[09:48] <SuperCatFrog> hmm, i must have typed it wrong the first time
[09:50] <SuperCatFrog> oh crap - i forgot my ubuntu website username/password#
[09:50] <Borg^Queen> hello motaboy 
[09:50] <alex> does anyone know how to install liquid weather++ with superkaramba
[09:50] <membreya> chatting through an IM ...how tacky :P
[09:50] <_ReDRuM_> alex: download it, extract it, run it
[09:50] <alex> i'm having trouble with it
[09:50] <_ReDRuM_> it misbehaved for me too when i was using a different theme
[09:50] <membreya> don't forget to open the .theme with superkaramba :)
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> if it doesnt work properly and is all blank looking
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> use a different theme
[09:51] <alex> i did it, but i have nothing on the screen
[09:51] <membreya> bakkakke is good enough for me :)
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> yeh you do
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> you have a see-through blank box
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> at least if you have the same issue i did
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> change your theme
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> (KDE window deco, etc)
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> went away for me when i did that
[09:52] <alex> you mean i should change for another liquid weather like theme ?
[09:52] <_ReDRuM_> KDE theme
[09:52] <_ReDRuM_> change your KDE theme...
[09:52] <Borg^Queen> So where might I collect this abuse to see for myself?
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> there you go
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> right here
[09:53] <membreya> Borg^Queen: sudo apt-get install abuse?
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> hey see
[09:53] <_ReDRuM_> your doing great.
[09:53] <alex> i changed my kde theme to plastik, but still nothing...
[09:53] <Borg^Queen> membreya: no on ku yet
[09:53] <Exek_pl> and dont forget abuse-sound :)
[09:53] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:54] <_ReDRuM_> alex: *shrug* didnt work for me for a couple of days either
[09:54] <membreya> membreya@diab:~$ apt-cache search abuse
[09:54] <membreya> abuse - SDL port of the Abuse action game
[09:54] <membreya> abuse-frabs - levels and graphics for Abuse
[09:54] <membreya> works for me :)
[09:54] <membreya> chicago...NOOOOOOOOO
[09:54] <alex> now i have a black box on my desktop
[09:54] <_ReDRuM_> alex - thats what i got
[09:54] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[09:54] <Borg^Queen> You can't pat me. your only a half cm tall
[09:55] <alex> do i have to place the liquid weather files in some particular location in the disk ?
[09:55] <_ReDRuM_> change your theme - and it works
[09:55] <_ReDRuM_> alex: no ive told u already like 7 times its a bug kde theme releated.... n/m forget it.
[09:55] <_ReDRuM_> hey cool, flat borg queen
[09:55] <alex> which kde theme works for you ?
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> Ooh squash yummy thanks
[09:56] <_ReDRuM_> alex: i got a mismatch of like err, sec
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> Without the money
[09:56] <_tek> roflol
[09:56] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:57] <_ReDRuM_> abort - windows was here
[09:57] <_ReDRuM_> alex - knifty window deco, baghira style
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> No windows here
[09:57] <_ReDRuM_> Borg^Queen: microsoft is everywhere, resistance is futile.
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> baghira rocks
[09:57] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: Actually windows is deminishing.
[09:58] <_tek> updating windows is futile you will be hacked
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> lol
[09:58] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i know, any excuse for a cheezy borg reference.
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> _tek: you got it
[09:58] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: oh lol
[09:58] <_ReDRuM_> not on any of my systems anymore
[09:58] <uniq> hello guys.
[09:58] <_tek> yeah but penicillin helped me get rid of it
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> hey uniq, hows u this evening?
[09:59] <uniq> hi redrum, just got back from work.. 16h today.. 
[09:59] <_tek> i run windows in vmware just to walk customers out of problems.
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> savage.
[09:59] <_tek> they manage to always walk back into another one though.
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: tell them to put the knoppix cd in the drive
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> no more problem :)
[10:00] <Borg^Queen> _tek: eeewww
[10:00] <_tek> do not laugh redrum i have done it more than once, knoppix is the worlds greatest prank too! dont tell them the cd is in there and watch them scratch their heads for HOURS!!!
[10:01] <_tek> just tell them its service pack 3
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> _tek: Oh I have to do that. That would rocks
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> OMG I have to do that!!
[10:01] <Borg^Queen> They crap themselves
[10:02] <Exek_pl> sadist
[10:02] <Borg^Queen> Yes and?
[10:02] <_tek> actually setup two system for a hotel in the lobby, one running knoppix and one running xp 
[10:02] <Exek_pl> nothing ;P
[10:02] <Borg^Queen> Wait, Exek_pl you say that like its a bad thing
[10:02] <_tek> someone stole the system running knoppix, no HD in the system either
[10:02] <_ReDRuM_> alex: http://xs404.xs.to/pics/05151/rulez.jpg <--- what theme  i got :)
[10:02] <Exek_pl> I must reconsider it.... Its great thing :)
[10:02] <_ReDRuM_> as you can see if you stick with it liquid weather will stop foobaring in the end
[10:04] <Exek_pl> ... my english sucks... im going to eat dictionary tonight... goodbye all
[10:04] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: he service pack three
[10:05] <_ReDRuM_> heh even.
[10:05] <_tek> if kubuntu did not ask the language and keyboard questions i would use it instead for live cd's and pranks
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> ubuntu: hello
[10:06] <_ReDRuM_> _tek: for pranks i like putting gay porn in their porn collection and renaming it so it fits in with their files
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> you snagged a good nick
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: ewww
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> Porn in general
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> nothing wrong with a bit of porno
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> gay porn sure
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> thats the whole point
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> classic reactions
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> There's nothing wrong with be lesbian or gay
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> Borg^Queen: you wanna watch a bunch of gay porn?
[10:08] <fat_larry> there's an offer
[10:08] <_ReDRuM_> fat_larry: ho ho
[10:08] <_ReDRuM_> you see me point.
[10:08] <Borg^Queen> I don't want to watch porn at all
[10:08] <_ReDRuM_> Borg^Queen: ok... don't watch it then :)
[10:09] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: porn makes you a winuser
[10:09] <_ReDRuM_> hey borg queen, want to watch this video i've got, it's about linux technology issues...
[10:09] <Borg^Queen> No thanks
[10:10] <fat_larry> is it harcorde issues, or just softcore?
[10:10] <_ReDRuM_> fat_larry: dunno - it was a joke i dont have any porn or tech vids :)
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> LOL yeah
[10:11] <fat_larry> hehe
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> You computer is full of 
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> tech vids
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> You're a tech vid junkie
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> it's full of episodes of deadwood and 24
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> eyes
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> err...
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> _ReDRuM_: see that, tell him there's no porn and he lives
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> *flicks through vid dir*
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> deadwood?
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> yeh deadwood is the best program on tv.
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> What is it about.
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> I dont' watch TV
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> Well except for learning channels and sci fi
[10:12] <_ReDRuM_> it's about a lawless hell hole in the the wild west full of criminals, drunks and hookers
[10:12] <_tek> i watch tv, craving me some farscape!
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> Farscape1
[10:12] <_tek> rocks!!!
[10:13] <_ReDRuM_> heh you addicts.
[10:13] <_ReDRuM_> lot of people raving about lost right now
[10:13] <_tek> chiana, now that is someone i would like to see in a porno
[10:13] <_tek> lol
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> _tek: who?
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> Ooh chianna, she's cute
[10:14] <_tek> she is totally hot.
[10:14] <_tek> in real life she is totally hot
[10:15] <Borg^Queen> I agree
[10:15] <_tek> have a few pics she has done
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> she must be quite popular
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> the third google URL in her name is about a cat
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> and the first has no photos
[10:16] <_tek> ok, i have to get out of here, back in a few hours. have a new system to go deliver 
[10:16] <Borg^Queen> later
[10:16] <_tek> i can send you some pics when i get back redrum, she is good looking and very talented
[10:16] <_ReDRuM_> borg spelled her name wrong.
[10:16] <_ReDRuM_> later
[10:16] <_tek> L8tr
[10:17] <_ReDRuM_> she's ok.
[10:17] <_ReDRuM_> her character sounds interesting
[10:18] <Borg^Queen> The character is interesting
[10:19] <_ReDRuM_> still... its farscape
[10:19] <_ReDRuM_> it cant be any good
[10:19] <_ReDRuM_> they put it on the sci-fi channel at 2am or so here
[10:19] <_ReDRuM_> i've always avoided watching it
[10:19] <Borg^Queen> VCR dude
[10:20] <_ReDRuM_> i avoided watching it deliberately :)
[10:20] <elias> i just installed kubuntu, and I'm having problems with my fglrx driver-- I've installed it, xorg, added all of the correct directives, etc.. but still have a few strange problems
[10:20] <elias> 1. kcomposite complains that xorg isnt started
[10:20] <elias> 2. fglrxinfo compains that XFree86-DRI directive isnt set
[10:20] <_ReDRuM_> ati driver doesnt work with composite
[10:20] <_ReDRuM_> use the mesa one if you want composite
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> yes ati sucks horribly
[10:21] <elias> okay, thats fine, but what about the later
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> e-mail them and complain
[10:21] <elias> i know, but thats what I have to play with
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> me too
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> never again...
[10:21] <elias> and if i want to play 3d games i need fglrx, no>
[10:21] <elias> ?
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> it will certainly help
[10:21] <elias> so then the later problem
[10:22] <elias> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:22] <elias> what am I missing?
[10:22] <_ReDRuM_> Load "dri" ?
[10:22] <_ReDRuM_> you need Load "dri" and Load "glx"
[10:22] <_ReDRuM_> in the module section
[10:22] <elias> both are done
[10:22] <Tm_T> hmm, azureus...
[10:23] <elias> as in both are in there
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> Option "no_dri" "no"
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> in ati device section?
[10:23] <elias> where?
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> tell u what
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> ill just paste my xorg.conf
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> and u work it out :)
[10:23] <elias> good idea
[10:23] <elias> pm m
[10:23] <elias> e
[10:23] <_ReDRuM_> ill stick it on pastebin
[10:24] <_ReDRuM_> http://pastebin.ca/9567
[10:25] <elias> thanks
[10:25] <_ReDRuM_> the DRi section ive got in there requires u to be in the video group to use it
[10:25] <_ReDRuM_> and err... ignore the mega rant about nvidia
[10:25] <elias> haha
[10:25] <_ReDRuM_> id been trying to get composite to work for 10 hours
[10:25] <_ReDRuM_> i now know more than i ever wanted to about ati and their crappy driver.
[10:26] <_ReDRuM_> oh yeh
[10:26] <_ReDRuM_> and theres an explaination of internal agp gart in there too
[10:26] <_ReDRuM_> cause n00bs kept telling me the wrong info and it took me a few hours to figure that out too
[10:27] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - kompmgr looks very nice, but unfortunately its very unstable
[10:28] <SuperCatFrog> and buggy too
[10:28] <burgermann> lo :)
[10:28] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: oh well
[10:28] <burgermann> would anyone accidently know of any KDE application that synchronizes with mobile phones?
[10:28] <_ReDRuM_> fit in well with the kde desktop then :)
[10:28] <SuperCatFrog> burgerman - ksync
[10:28] <psn> SuperCatFrog: well I wouldn't blame it all on kompmgr
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[10:28] <burgermann> oh :s
[10:29] <SuperCatFrog> pan - yes, i know - i meant composite in X in general
[10:29] <SuperCatFrog> might be the binary nvidia driver not liking the render extention also
[10:29] <KaiL> seams to be even worse with ATI
[10:29] <burgermann> does anyone know any KDE application that haven't been thought of? (joke)
[10:29] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt WORK with ati
[10:29] <_ReDRuM_> unless u use the mesa drivers
[10:30] <KaiL> duno about and open drivers..
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> i spent 10 hours tryijng to make it work
[10:30] <SuperCatFrog> burgermann - have you tried ksync?
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> befoe finally learning it just cannot be done
[10:30] <burgermann> SuperCatFrog, no, i'm on it =D
[10:30] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: is it staple on any hardware?
[10:30] <KaiL> staBle...
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> dont think its stable yet nope
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> still - nothing on X is stable... *grumble* :)
[10:31] <_ReDRuM_> heh.
[10:31] <KaiL> maybe with Xorg 6.9
[10:31] <psn> KaiL: it works best on nvidia cards
[10:31] <SuperCatFrog> burgermann - its part of kontact, if you use that (nice gui glue for kmail, ksync, akregator, tec)
[10:31] <KaiL> psn: "nv" or "nvidia"?
[10:31] <SuperCatFrog> (etc
[10:31] <burgermann> another question, how is KDE organized?? who decides which applications are developed and even more wonderous who pays for it?
[10:31] <_ReDRuM_> psn: cause its hardware accelerated with nvidia cards
[10:31] <SuperCatFrog> burgermann - nobody and nobody (except donations)
[10:31] <darkaudit> _ReDRuM_: you'll want blackbox to get bsetbg, aterm, and eterm
[10:31] <bhna> burgermann: in general nobody
[10:31] <psn> KaiL: nvidia's driver
[10:32] <SuperCatFrog> burgermann - all the kde apps are developed by people in their spare time (like i would if i could)
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> darkaudit: u was using eterm and friends before kde...
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> i like kde tho
[10:32] <kkathman> hey there SuperCatFrog !
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> i just wish it worked better
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[10:32] <SuperCatFrog> hi kkathman
[10:32] <burgermann> well that's gr8 that means no firm kan overtake it :p...
[10:32] <KaiL> psn: ugs.. I've tried it with a GF2 GTS - crash, crash, crash....
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: sure you can
[10:32] <uniq> _redrum_: i gave up the fglrx drivers myself.. the driver is a pice of shit.. I did it all on amd64 to make it even worse.. I don't need it anyway.
[10:32] <burgermann> can even :s
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: get a copy of kdevelop, download the qt dev source, google for "qt howto"
[10:33] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ unless somebody writes a vb5 interpritter, im stuck until i get round to learning c++ (which i do plan to do, when i get time)
[10:33] <darkaudit> _ReDRuM_: only reason I have eterm is to set my backgrounds in Fluxbox... look at the LintherBrushed config file...
[10:33] <psn> KaiL: ok I haven't tried it at all it's just what I've been told
[10:33] <darkaudit> LintherBrushed=Aqua-like style on Freshmeat
[10:33] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: learn C++ - or at least something with that syntax - and FORGET vb :p
[10:33] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: i get my 5000fps on glxgears... it will do...
[10:34] <KaiL> 5000?
[10:34] <burgermann> For what reason did you choose Ubuntu instead of e.g. Debian? 
[10:34] <SuperCatFrog> kail - i know, i learned some vb when i was about 14, thought it was cool. now i wish i'd have spent that time learning a real language. 
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> Kail: cause yo ugot composite on
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> and ATI driver doesnt do composite
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> like i keep telling people
[10:34] <uniq> burgermann: updated packages. better for the desktop imho.
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> so it will be using the mesa libs driver
[10:34] <SuperCatFrog> and they force us to learn vb at college (and only a tiny bit of c++ - didn't even get to structs)
[10:34] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: nop - outdated hardware :)
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: oh :)
[10:34] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[10:34] <KaiL> K6-2/500 + G550
[10:34] <darkaudit> Ubuntu plays much better with my thumb drive :)
[10:35] <SuperCatFrog> im gonna go make a bru - back in a bit
[10:35] <KaiL> burgermann: because ubuntu still get's updated. debian doesn't
[10:35] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: do you need to wind it up while web browsing?
[10:35] <uniq> burgermann: amd64 support.
[10:35] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: c++ isnt that hard
[10:35] <burgermann> Oh, I installed ubuntu because of its philosophy :s
[10:35] <Borg^Queen> BBL people
[10:35] <_ReDRuM_> especially not with something like qt libs
[10:36] <_ReDRuM_> its probably about the same difficulty as vb
[10:36] <_ReDRuM_> u could always use python
[10:36] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: this box is quite ok, if you aren't one of this "can't wait 2sec" guys
[10:36] <_ReDRuM_> python will let you make apps fast supercatfrog
[10:36] <KaiL> hm? Borg^Queen is back?
[10:36] <KaiL> after that show yesterday?!
[10:37] <_ReDRuM_> no she left
[10:37] <KaiL> ok, "was back"
[10:38] <burgermann> I have this "controversial" idea that, if people really support piracy it's because they think that software should be free. I like that. Free software, free information. Naive but is lovely :p
[10:38] <_ReDRuM_> burgermann: keep telling yourself that while those torrents come in.,,
[10:38] <KaiL> burgermann: no
[10:39] <burgermann> _ReDRuM_, I'm not talking move or multimedia ;)
[10:39] <KaiL> most people stealing software I know think only "why should I pay for something, I can get for free?"
[10:39] <burgermann> move = movie
[10:39] <burgermann> Kail, no what?
[10:39] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: and the remaining ones are thinking "how much will people pay for this free software?" :)
[10:39] <__P__3> there is  the  kynaptic developer?
[10:39] <KaiL> those people wouldn't help on any opensource project, they only look for the personal profit
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: wild generalisation
[10:40] <SuperCatFrog> back
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> its just cause people dont see any consequence to their action
[10:40] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: of coz there are others
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> as it doesnt have any obvious physical effect
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> so they dont give a damn
[10:40] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - i know its not that hard, finding the time and committing myself to learning it is
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> human nature
[10:40] <KaiL> but many of them doesn't care about other people in *any* way
[10:41] <burgermann> _ReDRuM_,, so u believe that you're just plain old mean, loving all the piracy you can get? :P
[10:41] <_ReDRuM_> what me?
[10:41] <_ReDRuM_> im definately plain old mean :)
[10:41] <_ReDRuM_> but do you mean me?
[10:42] <burgermann> Ouh?
[10:42] <SuperCatFrog> redrum - python eh?
[10:43] <burgermann> *dead lock*
[10:43] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - last week i thought to myself, which scripting language shall i have a dabble in? ive heard perl was hard so i tried python, then i got bored so i tried perl
[10:44] <SuperCatFrog> i found perl to be much nicer 
[10:44] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: yeh, personally ive never bothered learning it preferring to slate it at every oppertunity i hear it is good for rapid development though, and all signs i have to admit point to that...
[10:44] <_ReDRuM_> perl is col
[10:44] <_ReDRuM_> cool
[10:44] <SuperCatFrog> didn't get very far though
[10:44] <_ReDRuM_> its not as easy as python :)
[10:44] <KaiL> perl is nice, as long as you don't need to understand other people's source
[10:44] <SuperCatFrog> _must_ stop being lazy. _must_ learn programming language 
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> and the fact it isnt doesnt mean that its any better either
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> hard != good
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> hard == hard
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> seperate types :)
[10:45] <KaiL> in perl it's very easy to write code, nobody, not even yourself can understand :)
[10:45] <Kortor> I followed the instructions on the BinaryDriverHowto page on the wiki page for the X.Org ATI driver, and x won't load when I have it installed
[10:45] <SuperCatFrog> nono, !hard == good
[10:45] <SuperCatFrog> *no, no !hard == good
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: python then :)
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> or ruby
[10:45] <_ReDRuM_> maybe you'll like ruby
[10:46] <KaiL> Kortor: module loaded?
[10:46] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: how about "sed scripts"
[10:46] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ i thought of that too. i figured by the end of the session that i might as well just not bother, and learn something i can get a job with like c++ (i was getting bored)
[10:46] <_ReDRuM_> they're quite funky too
[10:46] <KaiL> "X won't load" is really strange...
[10:47] <__P__3> riddel  are  you  there?
[10:47] <KaiL> which chip?
[10:47] <Kortor> KaiL: I don't remember the error.
[10:47] <__P__3> is there  a  a wishlist  of kynaptic?
[10:47] <Kortor> KaiL: It was something about fglrx
[10:47] <KaiL> __P__3: Riddell  that is (for highlighting)
[10:47] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: theres no reason you cant get a job with python or a scripting lang the majority of web development is done in scripting langs (php specifically)
[10:47] <SuperCatFrog> kortor- then there's sod all anybody can do (unless they know what you were doing at the time). 
[10:47] <KaiL> Kortor: rumours are, error messages can help debugging
[10:47] <_ReDRuM_> plus you will find most coders know more than one language, right tool for the job
[10:48] <Riddell> someone called?
[10:48] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - ye, but web is so boring, its nice for a bit but then its the same thing for every website
[10:48] <_P_> yes Riddell 
[10:48] <Riddell> _P_: nope, I' still to investigate the future of package managers
[10:48] <Kortor> KaiL: Heh, well, I could reconfigure it to use fglrx agaibn
[10:48] <Riddell> _P_: I need to look at Kapture to see if it'll be usable for breezy
[10:48] <Kortor> KaiL: I will, and I'll go check the error.
[10:48] <_P_> ah  ok 
[10:48] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - i pulled my finger out a few months ago and started writing a website (learned css, _valid_ html4.01 strict and php), but i got distracted by crappy college
[10:48] <Kortor> KaiL: I changed it back to basic ati when it didn't work.
[10:48] <_P_> i wissh  to  see pack  divided  by sources
[10:49] <KaiL> ..."ati" or "radeon"? :)
[10:49] <_P_> and no synaptic  and  no kynaptic  can  do  
[10:49] <_P_> maybe  is  a  filter  but  i cant  find  this featuers
[10:49] <_P_> *features
[10:49] <SuperCatFrog> kail - lol at the /topic
[10:50] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: allways nice for support problems :)
[10:50] <Kortor> KaiL: The ati driver. it was what it was originally configured as and what i set it back to when fglrx gave me the error
[10:51] <Kortor> KaiL: I have an ATI Radeon 9600 XT
[10:51] <psn> Riddell: last time I saw kapture it had a total mess for a ui
[10:51] <SuperCatFrog> is kortor the crazy bloke from yesterday that was typing really fast and using \n as punctuation?
[10:51] <Kortor> No.
[10:51] <SuperCatFrog> the one on anphetamines
[10:51] <Kortor> I wasn't here yesterday.
[10:51] <SuperCatFrog> o ok
[10:51] <KaiL> Kortor: ok, so 2D only without..
[10:51] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: really fast?
[10:52] <Riddell> psn: just like Kynaptic then :)
[10:52] <Kortor> KaiL: anyway, im gonna restart x now, load bitchx, then ill tell you what the errors are
[10:52] <SuperCatFrog> not so much really fast as typing like this \n he would use enter as puncuation \n like this \n 
[10:52] <psn> Riddell: true
[10:52] <KaiL> Kortor: ok
[10:52] <_ReDRuM_> kotor: the ati drivers are a headache...
[10:52] <psn> Riddell: though I think kynaptic actually is usable for the simple case
[10:53] <_ReDRuM_> kynaptics probably good for noobs
[10:53] <_ReDRuM_> the less confusing the descrtions when your new the better
[10:53] <_ReDRuM_> and if your not a noob, you can install something else
[10:54] <Kortor> okay, now ill give you the error, KaiL
[10:54] <_P_> is  there  a  way  to  see pack  for repository? 
[10:54] <Kortor> but I can't get it all, cause it went off the screen
[10:54] <KaiL> Kortor: http://pastebin.ca/ << paste theer
[10:55] <Kortor> KaiL: Okay. Does that page work with lynx?
[10:55] <SuperCatFrog> kortor - if your debugging X do this:
[10:55] <KaiL> I hope
[10:55] <SuperCatFrog> cat /var/log/Xorg.log.0 | grep EE
[10:55] <_P_> maybe  not :D
[10:56] <Kortor> SuperCatFrog: Some of the errors though had (WW) in front instead of (EE), so wouldn'
[10:56] <Kortor> wouldn't that not get all? or are those not important?
[10:56] <_ReDRuM_> WW's are always non-fatal
[10:56] <Kortor> okay
[10:57] <KaiL> Kortor: first the (EE)
[10:57] <SuperCatFrog> kortor - EE are the ones you want to catch - theyre fatal errors
[10:57] <KaiL> if then problems are left, we go over to the (WW)
[10:58] <Kortor> there is no file or directory /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[10:58] <SuperCatFrog> gimme a sec
[10:58] <KaiL> without the .0?
[10:58] <KaiL> Xorg.0.log
[10:58] <Kortor> none w/o the .0 either
[10:58] <SuperCatFrog> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep ee
[10:58] <_ReDRuM_> my x doesnt make a log unless i start it with startx
[10:58] <SuperCatFrog> oops
[10:58] <SuperCatFrog> grep EE
[10:59] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - mine does
[10:59] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: must be a setting somewhere
[10:59] <_ReDRuM_> it makes logs when it fails
[10:59] <SuperCatFrog> kortor - try using tab completion - cat /var/log/X[tab]  
[10:59] <_ReDRuM_> so there should be one for him i guess :)
[10:59] <Kortor> Is there anyway to copy and paste in this just plain text thingie?
[10:59] <Kortor> since i cant highlight w/o a mouse. :(
[10:59] <SuperCatFrog> unless i started with startx when i was first setting up kubuntu and the logfiles are from then
[10:59] <_ReDRuM_> kotor apt-get install gdb
[11:00] <Kortor> what is gdb?
[11:00] <Kortor> does it allow me to copy paste?
[11:00] <_ReDRuM_> a plain text thinie cut and paster.
[11:00] <Kortor> cool
[11:00] <Kortor> ah, i already have it
[11:00] <Kortor> how does it work?
[11:00] <_ReDRuM_> type gdb
[11:00] <_ReDRuM_> mve the mouse
[11:00] <_ReDRuM_> select text
[11:01] <_ReDRuM_> it auto copies and the middle button pastes
[11:01] <_ReDRuM_> which u can do in X too btw but its flakey in a lot of modern apps
[11:01] <Kortor> i have no mouse, _ReDRuM_...
[11:01] <Kortor> I
[11:01] <Kortor> well what i mean is
[11:02] <Kortor> theres no mouse pointer or anything
[11:02] <Kortor> since x is foobarded
[11:02] <SuperCatFrog> try moving the mouse
[11:02] <Kortor> nothing happens
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> its not gdb
[11:02] <SuperCatFrog> gdm
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> yeh :0
[11:02] <SuperCatFrog> gdb is the debugger
[11:02] <Kortor> gdm is gnome display manager...
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> i thought that was the gnome manager
[11:02] <Kortor> that lets me copy and paste?
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> rofl
[11:02] <SuperCatFrog> oh crap
[11:02] <eliyahu> 
[11:02] <_ReDRuM_> whats the goddam mouse program called
[11:03] <eliyahu>   
[11:03] <Kortor> well anyway while you guys think of that ill start the bothersome task of typing a bunch of lines into pastebin
[11:03] <Kortor> :(
[11:03] <SuperCatFrog> gmgpm
[11:03] <SuperCatFrog> oops
[11:03] <SuperCatFrog> gpm
[11:03] <Kortor> 1337
[11:03] <Kortor> i got a mouse!
[11:03] <_ReDRuM_> gpm
[11:03] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[11:04] <SuperCatFrog> thank god i had my old gentoo installation around
[11:04] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[11:04] <Kortor> how do i copy with it?
[11:04] <_ReDRuM_> i was flickin through google, didnt helped them gpm jumped into my head and ive got the manpage installed
[11:04] <SuperCatFrog> highlight the text
[11:04] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[11:04] <Kortor> then how do i paste
[11:04] <_ReDRuM_> click the middle mouse button
[11:05] <Kortor> http://pastebin.ca/9570
[11:05] <Kortor> http://pastebin.ca/9570
[11:05] <Kortor> sorry
[11:05] <Kortor> thats awesome
[11:06] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody have a copy of the chillian national anthem, with words?
[11:06] <Kortor> gpm > *
[11:06] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: id rather have x running :)
[11:06] <Kortor> Me too
[11:06] <_ReDRuM_> whats your x problem btw?
[11:06] <Kortor> http://pastebin.ca/9570
[11:06] <Kortor> its that
[11:07] <Kortor> when i followed the instructions in the BinaryDriverHowto
[11:07] <Kortor> for the X.Org ATI Driver
[11:07] <SuperCatFrog> found it (after 5 years of looking, here: http://www.joeskitchen.com/chile/facts/chile-himno.mp3 )
[11:08] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: thats one long look :)
[11:08] <Kortor> heh
[11:08] <_ReDRuM_> why doesnt it have framebuffer loaded
[11:09] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ i heard it in the football (soccer) world cup in 2000 and have wanted it ever since (its the funnyest national anthem ever)
[11:09] <Kortor> i dunno, what is framebuffer?
[11:09] <SuperCatFrog> a graphical console kinda
[11:09] <Kortor> well, do i need it? and if i do how do i get it?
[11:09] <Kortor> rep heh
[11:09] <Kortor> oops
[11:09] <_ReDRuM_> kortor: kernel module that handles some graphic funtions, often used for big rpetty console
[11:09] <Kortor> .msg narg heh
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: how about
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> i just show u my xorg.conf
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> and u use that
[11:10] <narg> .msg narg?
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> )change rhe monitor bit)
[11:10] <sorin> They caught Brian Nichols 2 miles from where I live. Now, they closed my ex-high school, and SWAT is everywhere. What is wrong with this town?
[11:10] <Kortor> do you use the fglrx driver?
[11:10] <SuperCatFrog> oh bloody hell. that chilean national anthem isn't what i was after - they sounded like loonies when they sung it in the world cup
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> yes
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> http://pastebin.ca/9567
[11:10] <Kortor> if you do, sure. :D
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> and theres my xorg.conf
[11:11] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: lol
[11:11] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - you have a point - why doesn't ubuntu/kubuntu come with a framebuffer presetup?
[11:11] <_ReDRuM_> cause its not a console distro
[11:11] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[11:12] <SuperCatFrog> but it looks pretty on bootup
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> you mite be able to turn it on by sending your kernel parameters vga=773 or somethin
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> got no idea what that does but it turns framebuffer on in a coupel of other distros
[11:12] <Kortor> well, how do i set up a framebuffer
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> Kortor: just use that xorg.conf and see if it works first
[11:12] <Kortor> is that what i need?
[11:12] <Kortor> okay, redrum
[11:13] <SuperCatFrog> kortor - a framebuffer is an afterthought - once your distro is running perfectly, you should start trying to do stuff like framebuffers - make it work before you break it
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> the only bit you MUST change
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> is this: Section "Monitor
[11:13] <Kortor> okay
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> eveyrthing in there, the 4 lines about horizontal sync, etc you MUST change
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> failing to do so might blow up your monitor - use the section from your own xorg.conf
[11:14] <Kortor> mine is almost the same as yours, redrum
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> tbh most modern monitors are smart enough to turn themselves off if u put dangerous numbers in there - ive seen a few wabble worringly for several minutes after :)
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> almost doesnt count
[11:14] <Kortor> i know
[11:14] <_ReDRuM_> (tho its less dangerous)
[11:15] <Kortor> all its missin though is the 2 sync lines
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> er
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> ur suppose to have those
[11:15] <Kortor> peer
[11:15] <Kortor> well, that would be it
[11:15] <Kortor> but i never had em before
[11:15] <Kortor> all i ran between it workin wit ati drivers and not wit fglrx was a sed to replace ati with fglrx in the conf file
[11:16] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[11:16] <_ReDRuM_> i can guarantee you my xorg.conf works and i know exactly what everything is in there for i even commented most of it
[11:16] <_ReDRuM_> cause theres too much mis-information out there
[11:16] <Kortor> nod
[11:17] <Kortor> well, i can also guarantee you mine didnt have it before :P
[11:17] <Kortor> but i trust you
[11:17] <Kortor> here i go
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> xorg is supposed to be able to do ddc detection on its own
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> thats why
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> it doesnt always goto plan tho.
[11:17] <Kortor> still didnt work
[11:17] <_ReDRuM_> same error?
[11:17] <Kortor> nod
[11:17] <Kortor> xactly
[11:18] <_ReDRuM_> lsmod | grep fb
[11:18] <Kortor> i didnt need to change the identifier in it, did i?
[11:18] <Kortor> thats not really important, is it?
[11:18] <_ReDRuM_> btw i notice u have a r200 device?
[11:18] <Kortor> i dunno
[11:18] <Kortor> what is that?
[11:19] <_ReDRuM_> er old radeons
[11:19] <_ReDRuM_> i think 9200 and below
[11:19] <Kortor> peer
[11:19] <Kortor> no
[11:19] <Kortor> its a 9600 XT
[11:19] <KaiL> 9250 still r200
[11:19] <KaiL> that's r300
[11:19] <_ReDRuM_> x seems to think he has an r200
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> or rather the ati driver does... er...
[11:20] <Kortor> :(
[11:20] <Kortor> peer
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> it says screens found but none have a usable config
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> so lets try filling in your ddc info
[11:20] <Kortor> okay
[11:20] <Kortor> whats my ddc info?
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> something fun for u to paste: dcprobe | grep ^monitorrange | sed 's/[^ ] * //'
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> er
[11:20] <Kortor> and do you still need that lsmod | grep fb?
[11:20] <_ReDRuM_> ddcprobe | grep ^monitorrange | sed 's/[^ ] * //'
[11:21] <_ReDRuM_> yeh in a sec i wanna see if ddcprobe can pick up your h/vsync
[11:21] <Kortor> should i use sudo for that?
[11:21] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[11:21] <Kortor> it says /dev/mem: permission denied
[11:21] <Kortor> nod
[11:21] <_ReDRuM_> sorry i have the worst habits...
[11:21] <Kortor> 30-70, 50-120
[11:22] <_ReDRuM_> wow your monitor IS like mine isnt it :)
[11:22] <Kortor> :P
[11:22] <_ReDRuM_> so you see the section where mine says 50-120 in xorg.conf ?
[11:22] <Kortor> yeah
[11:22] <KaiL> Kortor: could you paste lspci | grep VGA?
[11:22] <_ReDRuM_> leave that one alone, and change the one that says 30-72 to 30-70
[11:22] <_ReDRuM_> and try that
[11:23] <Kortor> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] 
[11:23] <KaiL> k
[11:23] <Kortor> nod redrum
[11:23] <SuperCatFrog> this is the first distro (after i learned what was what) ive actually bothered to not be root for everyday stuff
[11:23] <_ReDRuM_> i dont see the point of sudo
[11:23] <_ReDRuM_> for me anyway
[11:23] <_ReDRuM_> ive had the sudo debate a million times :)
[11:23] <Kortor> i like sudo
[11:23] <Kortor> okay, redrum, did that
[11:24] <Kortor> should i try startx again?
[11:24] <_ReDRuM_> kortor cant hurt :)
[11:24] <SuperCatFrog> its better than su because root has more control over it. if you want to use it like su, you can (stops debating sudo v su now)
[11:24] <Kortor> same errors
[11:24] <_blackdog> are apt sources available for breezybadger yet?
[11:24] <_ReDRuM_> k try pasting the output of lsmod | grep fb
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> into a query _redrum_ window or a pastebin
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: or - alternatively - it just gives a user account that wouldnt normally need root access root access :)
[11:25] <KaiL> Kortor: rv350 is Radeon 9600 or 9600 Pro
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> yeh its good for limited control
[11:25] <_ReDRuM_> but for a single user system of your own
[11:26] <KaiL> can't find a  "XT"...
[11:26] <_ReDRuM_> its only good to stop pasting crap in root windows
[11:26] <SuperCatFrog> _redrum_ - but it does it in a more controlable way than su (not all or nothing)
[11:26] <_ReDRuM_> KaiL: theyre the same thigns
[11:26] <KaiL> yes
[11:26] <KaiL> but maybe the driver doesn't know it?
[11:26] <_ReDRuM_> it should do
[11:26] <_ReDRuM_> its not that new a card
[11:27] <KaiL> why does it try to load the r200 driver?
[11:27] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know thats retarded
[11:27] <KaiL> ...as everybody can see "rv350"
[11:27] <SuperCatFrog> dog - walk
[11:27] <SuperCatFrog> back in bit
[11:28] <Kortor> test
[11:28] <_ReDRuM_> yes kortor it works :)
[11:28] <Kortor> im stuck in a query window i dunno how to close. i have to use /msg #kubuntu to talk
[11:29] <Kortor> so anyway. what do i do now?
[11:29] <Kortor> how do i make it know i dun have an r200?
[11:29] <KaiL> uhm, is the "radeon" kernel module loaded?
[11:29] <Kortor> dunno, how do I check?
[11:30] <_ReDRuM_>  i thought it was /window close
[11:30] <_ReDRuM_> maybe /close
[11:30] <KaiL> lsmod | grep radeon
[11:30] <Kortor> no, it isnt
[11:30] <Kortor> how do I load it? and will that allow my drivers to work?
[11:31] <KaiL> modprobe radeon
[11:31] <Kortor> sudo, i assume?
[11:31] <KaiL> btw. doesn't he need a special module from ati too?
[11:31] <KaiL> yes
[11:31] <Kortor> can I posta  4 line long error msg
[11:31] <Kortor> or do i have to use pastebin for that
[11:32] <KaiL> unresolved symbols?
[11:32] <Kortor> yeah
[11:32] <KaiL> ok...
[11:32] <Kortor> and cannot allocate memory
[11:32] <Kortor> but that is just warning
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> md5sum /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[11:32] <KaiL> uname -r ?
[11:32] <_ReDRuM_> whats that say
[11:33] <Kortor> KaiL: 2.6.10-5-386
[11:33] <KaiL> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[11:33] <KaiL> install that package.
[11:33] <Kortor> already newest version
[11:33] <_ReDRuM_> what about the md5sum of that file?
[11:33] <KaiL> modprobe fglrx
[11:34] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[11:34] <Kortor> the md5sum gives me thios: 31705b56d51c90700e52aac5f5d961a3  /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[11:34] <_ReDRuM_> that is right...
[11:34] <KaiL> sorry, radeon is for the free driver, fglrx for the ati one.....
[11:34] <Kortor> should i try startx now?
[11:34] <KaiL> yes
[11:35] <Kortor> same errors still
[11:35] <KaiL> even the r200-line?
[11:35] <Kortor> yeah
[11:35] <_ReDRuM_> how about the command dmesg
[11:35] <KaiL> which chipset is the mainboard?
[11:36] <Kortor> redrum: wow, thats a lot of stuff
[11:36] <KaiL> via? intel? nvidia? ali? sis? amd?
[11:36] <_ReDRuM_> just the fireglx stuff :P
[11:36] <Kortor> intel Pentium 4
[11:36] <_ReDRuM_> thats the CPU
[11:36] <KaiL> chipset, not CPU :)
[11:36] <KaiL> but I guess intel too....
[11:36] <Kortor> dunno.
[11:36] <_ReDRuM_> lspci might give a clue
[11:37] <_ReDRuM_> lspci | grep 'PCI Bridge'
[11:37] <KaiL> lsmod | grep agp
[11:37] <Kortor> redrum: if there is anything about fireglx it got pushed off the screen by the tons of radeon error messages
[11:37] <KaiL> and intel-agp or intel-mch-agp?
[11:37] <Kortor> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 12)
[11:37] <Kortor> intel-agp
[11:37] <_ReDRuM_> try change in xorg.conf the setting useinternalagpgart to "yes"
[11:38] <Kortor> ponder... i dont see that setting
[11:38] <_ReDRuM_> presume if he has intel pci bus he will have intel agp
[11:39] <_ReDRuM_> its in my xorg.conf if youve gone back to your one you should add it
[11:39] <Kortor> okay
[11:39] <_ReDRuM_> cause u should explicitly say one way or the other, off or on
[11:39] <_ReDRuM_> intel is the only thing that can possibly have it set to yes
[11:39] <Kortor> btw, about the r200 think. in my xorg.conf under screen it says
[11:39] <Kortor> Device          "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR)"
[11:41] <Kortor> redrum, from yours it looks like i put it in device for the card? yes?
[11:41] <_ReDRuM_> yes
[11:41] <_ReDRuM_> you shoul dbe able to use that device secion from mine verbatim...
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> might want to change the description to match yours
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> and BusID
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> the rest u could use without editing
[11:42] <Kortor> mine doesnt have tv out and stuff
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> ive got it all switched off anyway
[11:42] <Kortor> my card
[11:42] <_ReDRuM_> so it wouldnt matter
[11:42] <Kortor> ah
[11:43] <Kortor> Option          useinternalagpgart "yes"
[11:43] <Kortor> like thaT?
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> but
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> with "'s around it
[11:43] <_ReDRuM_> Option "UseInternalAGPGART"         "yes"
[11:44] <Kortor> same erros
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> pfft
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> lsmod pci | grep agp
[11:44] <Kortor> does capitalization amtter for tyhat?
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> grep -i agp
[11:44] <_ReDRuM_> now it doesnt
[11:45] <_ReDRuM_> lsmod | grep -i agp
[12:00] <TestDummy> Er, is there a way to make these GTK apps less ugly?
[12:00] <TestDummy> This looks so tacky right now..
[12:01] <Tm_T> TestDummy: try some other gtk engine/style
[12:01] <TestDummy> How?
[12:01] <Kortor> redrum: no such luck