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schweebdid that CC meeting ever end up being rescheduled?01:12
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ajmitchschweeb: not afaik01:29
ajmitchhi bradb01:29
bradbhi ajmitch :)01:31
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ajmitch_hi trulux03:05
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ajmitch_bddebian!04:08
bddebianHeya ajmitch_04:08
ajmitch_what's up?04:12
bddebianGetting my ass kicked in KotOR II.  You?04:14
ajmitch_working at uni :)04:16
bddebianFun fun :-)04:17
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dholbachmorning09:00
Treenaksmorning :)09:00
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dholbachhave a nice day09:23
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GheRiverors10:03
Treenaksrs?10:03
GheRiverores10:03
GheRiveroHi again?10:04
Treenaksah ;)10:04
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kokeHi MOTUses!10:19
crimsunhi!10:20
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HostingGeekHEY koke !!10:29
TreenaksHostingGeek: how did you get back in here?10:30
HostingGeekkoke: tseng wanted to ban me last night with what i said to you.... I guess he doesn't read your blog to understand.... Howto punish him for this servire crime? Hijact all domains to point to your blog? :P10:31
HostingGeekTreenaks: Maybe someone didn't know its .au and not .a and gave up and let me stay...10:31
kokeHostingGeek: what did you say10:31
kokeI have terrible memory10:31
HostingGeekTreenaks: and it will be sick if you ban me for a joke on a joke on koke's blog...10:32
HostingGeekkoke: nah.. you timed out.. so i don't think you got it10:32
HostingGeekkoke: I just said "koke: Your poor thing.... you want me to show you howto login?"10:32
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Shuflahi10:35
koke =.amedias.Ubuntu.breezy-changes [Msgs:1425 New:1394 Inc:17 5,6M] 10:36
kokeshit! the auto-import has come through breezy-changes@ !!10:36
crimsunoh it's just going to get worse10:36
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Amaranthdid it even make it past lib yet?10:38
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Treenakscrimsun: it is?10:39
TreenaksAmaranth: it's at ocaml for me10:39
Treenaksopenthesaurus10:39
Amaranthwoo, i might get my breezy-changes accept mail sometime tomorrow10:39
Amaranthjust in time to miss the sid flood :)10:39
Shuflaif package is not in universe source and i'd like to check if it's in debian repo then which dist should I look for - sarge, yees?10:39
crimsunShufla: sid10:40
crimsunShufla: if it's not in sid, check wnpp10:40
Shuflacrimsun: ok.10:40
crimsunerr, if it's not in sid /or/ experimental, check wnpp10:40
Shuflacrimsun: well. it's specific program.10:40
Amaranthwnpp?10:40
Shuflaorphans10:41
crimsunAmaranth: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/10:41
crimsunit also includes ITPs10:41
crimsunthose are the ones most relevant if the package you seek is not in sid or experimental10:41
Amaranthah10:42
Treenaksnot bugs.debian.org/wnpp ?10:42
crimsunTreenaks: yes, bugs/wnpp is the de facto url10:42
crimsunjust pointing Amaranth to an explanation10:42
Treenaksah ok10:42
Shuflaok. let's persume that package is not found anywhere in debian/ubuntu. where/what (deb/dsc?) should I send?10:43
Shufla(MOTU wikipage is unorganized :()10:43
crimsunShufla: MOTUNewPackages10:43
Treenaksor find a sponsor in debian10:43
Shuflacrimsun: found it right now :)10:43
Treenaks(I think we still prefer it if packages are in debian too, right)10:44
crimsunTreenaks: yep10:44
Shuflaok, thanks a lot, bye :)10:49
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=== ajmitch wonders if it's time to upgrade his dev box to breezy >:)
ajmitchpbuilder is setup now, just waiting on an update12:55
ajmitchthen we can attack merging & a c++ transition12:55
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\shmorning :)03:00
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janihello03:50
janican anyone try installing evince in hoary? It seems to be 404 here03:50
janiwas moved from universe to main03:50
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bddebianHey folks05:49
GheRiverores05:53
HostingGeekI hear python is broken in breezy06:00
HostingGeek<Amaranth> HostingGeek: I forgot to mention that python is busted in breezy. :)06:00
bddebianDoh06:06
ograHostingGeek, breezy doesnt even exist yet....06:07
HostingGeekogra: ogra doesnt even exist yet....06:08
HostingGeekogra: better fix the topic in #ubuntuforums and the mdz email in the devels list06:09
ograHostingGeek, breezy wont exist before some packages are compiled....it just started last night...06:09
ograthere is no content yet06:09
mdzbreezy exists; it's just what we might call a "hostile environment"06:09
HostingGeekogra: the package lists are being made...06:10
HostingGeekogra: mdz annoucned it06:10
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ograHostingGeek, if you have only four wheels and a engine in your garage, do you call it a car ?06:11
mdzthe topic in #ubuntuforums seems sufficiently cautionary ;-)06:11
ograhuh, thats a channel ?06:11
ograheh, ...how funny...06:12
HostingGeekmdz: while you where there you might of change the topic from "server" to "reps"06:13
HostingGeekE: /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mono', which is also in package muine06:19
HostingGeeknow thats funny...06:19
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hervehi06:53
ograhi herve06:53
bddebianHello herve06:54
herziubuntu updates can be SOOOO boring is a computer has been away for 31 days to be repaired...06:57
herzis/is/if/06:57
ograherzi, but if youre on a stable system once, there are not many updates anymore06:58
herziogra: stable is boring too (too few new packages/updates)06:58
ograherzi, true :)06:58
herveI wonder how one could debug a crash of ps2pdf07:13
hervecould someone help me in reproducing it?07:13
Burgundaviasure07:14
Burgundaviawhat do you need?07:14
herverun ps2pdf on the ps file I will give you the url to07:14
hervehttp://deb.oursours.net/motu/itools.ps [666 kB] 07:15
Burgundaviawhich package provides ps2pdf?07:16
BurgundaviaI also found this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2003-03/msg00086.html07:16
herveit's gs-common07:17
herveit fails on all the hoarys I tried on07:18
hervebut never on debian testing or unstable07:18
Burgundaviafailed here07:18
Burgundaviai ran 'ps2pdf itools.ps'07:18
herveyou're running hoary/breezy? what is the "gs" alternative?07:18
Burgundaviarunning hoary07:19
Burgundaviaseems to fail on page 4707:19
hervecould you paste the traceback in PM please?07:19
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hspranggood evening!07:37
hervehi!07:38
hervehmmm07:41
hervenow debian fails the same way07:41
herveI was sure I tested with the same file...07:41
herveso that may be a corrupted ps file produced in the end07:41
Burgundaviadid you read that email?07:43
herve?07:43
Burgundaviahttp://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2003-03/msg00086.html07:44
herveha yes07:44
hervedouble checked but no one answered him07:45
Burgundaviataht is over 2 years ago07:45
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herveI have new clues now I know the ps file is bad07:46
herveheya tritium !07:46
tritiumhey there herve :)07:46
herveI guess there exists no postscript validator?07:49
hervefound pstill07:53
hervemuhahaha! found the problem08:02
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hervewhere could I find packages dated Febuary?08:09
hervedia 0.94.0-5 and -608:09
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bradbogra: ping09:18
ograbradb, pong09:18
bradbogra: hi :)09:18
ograhi :)09:18
bradbogra: was wondering: might we be able to start doing weekly meetings on MOTU Malone?09:18
ograyup, it starts to fill...up now that breezy starts....09:19
bradbto encourage feedback, and get a better idea of what you're liking about Malone, and what we can do to make your life easier using Malone.09:19
bradbogra: any suggestions for a specific date and time to do this? do you guys have a regularly scheduled MOTU meeting currently? this could possibly be part of that.09:20
ograwe have no specific scedule beside we decided to have one meeting a month .... (we had 2 until now, and not scheduled the next date till now)09:21
bradbok...what time are MOTU meetings normally held at? this will give me an idea of what day(s) i could suggest for doing this.09:22
ograwe had the first around 17:00 UTC ...09:23
bradboh, wow...our Launchpad meetings are normally at 12:00 UTC. 17:00 is so much easier to be awake for. :P09:23
ograthe last one was directly after a CC meeting (about 22:00 UTC)09:23
bradbogra: when was the last MOTU meeting?09:23
ograugh... goo question... about three weeks ago09:23
bradbmaybe we can kill two birds with one stone here in scheduling the next MOTU meeting09:23
ograbradb, i'd like to have dholbach around to decide about a date....09:24
hervekilling birds? what a horrible idea!09:24
herve:-)09:24
bradbsure. would it be reasonable for us to aim for that meeting in approximately the next week or so?09:24
bradbherve: :)09:24
ograhe's currently traveling through germany....09:25
bradber09:25
bradbthat reminds me09:25
bradbyeah09:25
bradbtraveling :)09:25
ograbradb, before UdU ?09:25
bradbi'm off to australia on the 22nd, then a week in Tokyo after that09:25
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bradbso, "in the next week" means before the 22nd for me.09:25
ograbefore UdU means tomorrow for me....09:26
bradbogra: you'll be at UdU then?09:26
ogranot sure if our hostel for the next week has wlan....09:26
ograbradb, yup :-D09:26
bradbawesome dude09:26
ograyeah09:26
bradbmaybe we can BoF things out there then09:26
ograsounds much better then doing a IRC meeting09:27
bradbyeah09:27
ograwe have about 5 MOTUs around, probably more09:27
bradbgreat09:27
bradbis there an MOTU bof already scheduled?09:27
herveogra, s/then/than, you're doing that error quite a lot of times09:27
ograyep09:27
ograoh, thanks :)09:28
hervenp, I like to be picky :-p09:28
bradbogra: do you have a link to the bof schedule handy?09:29
ograherve, i like to be corrected :)09:29
ograbradb, is there a schedule already ?09:29
bradbogra: well, i thought you said that there was an MOTU BoF already scheduled :)09:30
ajmitchmorning!09:30
ograthere will be a MOTU BOF, but i dont know for when its scheduled...09:30
bradbah, ok09:31
herveajmitch, morning!!09:31
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ajmitchyeah, I know of 5 MOTUs so far @ UDU..09:31
ajmitchthere's a schedule? :)09:31
ograhttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDownUnderSchedule09:31
ajmitchgreat09:32
ajmitchprobably far too many things on at once that I want to be at09:33
ajmitchlike proactive security & expanding universe :)09:34
ograhmm, i'm wondering why hardware database is scheduled four times....09:34
bradbwe may do this as a separate bof then09:34
ajmitchnearly all of them are09:34
ogramotumalonebof09:34
ajmitchlong days - 9am->10pm09:35
ograwe have to get done a lot....09:36
ogralast time we had 2 weeks....09:36
ajmitchyup09:36
ajmitchmataro was 2 weeks, right?09:36
ograyep09:36
bradbogra: ok, so, i'll get back to you shortly on what we have planned for a Malone BoF.09:39
bradb(maybe later today, maybe in the next few days)09:40
ogragreat...09:40
ajmitchwe'll have plenty to talk about :)09:40
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ograi cant promise to be online very often next week09:40
ograso a mail is probably better: hostmaster@grawert.net09:40
bradbogra: noted, thanks.09:44
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motaboyHi all!09:48
vasihi motaboy09:50
hervehi!09:50
bddebianHello motaboy09:58
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hervehi!10:40
dholbachhi10:41
dholbachso who of you is man enough for breezy? :-)10:47
ograhehe10:48
ogranot me, not now...10:48
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dholbachme too10:48
dholbachbut we have some targets in bugzilla10:48
dholbachpatch-o-magic requires us to do some hand merging10:48
ograi'll switch if the people to blame are around me to poke them with a stick ;)10:48
dholbachhahaha, exactly10:49
herveer... I do use it10:51
dholbachherve: but you didnt upgrade, right? :-)10:51
herveI do10:52
herveonce a day10:52
hervetwice if I get bored :-)10:52
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ajmitch_updating now! ;)10:55
herveright!10:55
herveI haven't done it for too long10:55
herve4 hours :-)10:55
ajmitch_well, apt-get -dy dist-upgrade10:55
ajmitch_not man enough to actually install stuff yet10:55
hervemuhahaha!10:56
herve:-)10:56
ajmitch_ok, it'll take a couple of hours to download packages, it seems11:05
ajmitch_so we'll have to get started on merging, and especially organising sending patches upstream to debian11:05
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StoneTableMmmm breezy11:15
dholbachhey StoneTable :-)11:15
StoneTablehey there :)11:15
GheRiverores11:16
StoneTablegetting breezy on my laptop, then I'm ready to rock11:17
dholbachunfortunately i have to pack or i would have worked a bit with you :-/11:18
StoneTableno problem.  In two weeks I'll be sitting down with with a motu or two and get some hands-on help11:19
dholbachbreezy will have a shining and gleaming universe11:19
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StoneTableyay11:20
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dholbachhaha ogra, just got my brothers ones :-)11:20
ograi have none.....11:20
ograi'll buy some ugly ones in sydney11:20
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StoneTableoh yeah, have fun at udu.  We're going to have our own little ubuntu-fest at a con in detroit that weekend11:21
ograyeah11:21
dholbachWOW11:22
dholbachyou'll have to report11:22
\shogra: what i wanted to ask, where is the "Nora" Chain?11:22
StoneTablewe will.  I'll probably write it up for my column.  I talked one of the motu into doing a packaging session, too, so it should be fun11:22
ogra\sh, do i have curls ?11:23
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dholbachStoneTable: who will all be there?11:23
\shogra: no, but the picture on your wiki userpage looks like thomas A in the early 80ies11:23
ograyep *g*11:23
\shjust joking ;)11:23
StoneTablemetallikop (he's a motu), schweeb, normally whiprush, but he's going to be at ubu11:23
StoneTablehttp://www.penguicon.org/ is the con11:24
dholbachStoneTable: is metallikop alright?11:24
StoneTableya11:24
dholbachdidn't see him around11:24
StoneTableI think he's been busy at work lately11:24
ograme neither for quite some time11:24
dholbachah i see... but as long as you have contact, i'm a bit relieved11:25
StoneTableYeah, he's doing okay, just busy11:25
dholbachalright11:25
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Kayahello11:45
KayaXBGM (xbgm.sf.net), It's a very nice xbox game manager that some may consider as the Qwix11:45
Kayafor none-MS Windows OSes.11:45
KayaNow, the software is under the GPL and does not contain any non-free file. You don't need anything non-free to11:45
Kayacompile and run it either But, i was wondering if the ubuntu-legal team had anything against that11:45
Kayapackage since it implies that you have a modified xbox with an alternative OS. There's no way you can use xbgm# if you haven't modchipped or softmodded your xbox.11:45
KayaSo... what do you think?  Is that possible to add it to Ubuntu universe11:46
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herveKaya, first guess, it conflicts against dmca, no?11:47
dholbachKaya: we have no ubuntu-legal team yet, but could you kindly add a note to a) wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates or b) wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages (ONLY if you are going to package it :-))11:47
Kayai don't think so11:47
dholbachherve: herve herve herve !!! :-)11:47
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StoneTableherve:  congrats11:48
\shfirst i need to be a member of ubuntu and than we will discuss the motu stuff ;)11:48
herveKaya, it's a candidate then, do you know if someone intented to package it in debian?11:48
Kayayes in http://organact.mine.nu/debian/unstable/11:49
tsengdholbach!11:49
dholbachtseng: tseng? :-)11:49
tsengsup11:50
tsengMOM is going nuts11:50
tsengthere are 3429090 changes11:50
dholbachMOM?11:50
tsengmerge-o-matic11:50
dholbachyes11:50
dholbachthat will be fun11:50
dholbachbut most will be just go-ahead-sync-it11:51
dholbachbecause we just rebuilt11:51
tsengyes11:51
vasiis MOTU in charge of multiverse as well?11:51
tsengyep.11:51
dholbachbut i'll talk about it at UDU, we need a process for that11:51
ograhmm...what about all these python packages11:51
Kayawhere do i  add a note to UniverseCandidates  wiki11:51
hervego-ahead-sync-it-we-will-clean-the-mess-behind-you11:51
tsengogra: that will blow hard11:51
ograyep11:51
ogravasi, sort of11:51
vasiso who do i go to for bugs in multiverse? the Maintainer in the .deb?11:51
tsengwe need dholbach to join debian11:51
tsengand merge them all upstream11:51
ogravasi, see the topic....11:52
tsengin one night11:52
hervewe still have to play with these wiki pages?11:52
ogravasi, for multiverse as well....11:52
tsengi wonder if my gpg key works yet11:52
vasiogra, ok i wasn't sure about that :-)11:52
dholbachtseng: doko rather for all the python mess :-)11:52
vasithanks11:52
tsengdholbach: your the commit hero :-)11:52
dholbachtseng: i'm not remotely as clever as he is11:52
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ogra... he's idle11:53
ogra*g*11:53
tsenganyone here upgrade to breezy yet?11:54
dholbachtseng: herve did :-)11:54
tsengor still waiting for a buildd11:54
dholbachhe's a REAL man11:54
KayaIn order to midify the wiki do i need account?11:54
tsengyes Kaya11:54
ograherve is pretending he did11:54
dholbachherve ROCKS11:54
ograyeah11:54
herveogra, you want a ssh login to check it all?11:54
herveand I'm soon a motu :-p11:55
dholbachwe need a MOTU council11:55
ograherve, no, thanks :)11:55
tsengwe need an MOTU fact-kicker-inner11:55
tseng*face11:55
ograherve, yep, finally got your key ready11:55
tsengthats all.11:55
herveogra, it was not that bad in the end11:55
tsengdid i tell you about the laser dholbach ?11:55
dholbachlaser?11:55
tsengif i put the laser on the door11:55
dholbachwhat are you going to do?11:55
tsengthe dog will run smack into it11:55
tsenghe chases the laser right into walls11:56
ogratseng, lets see how we can make it, but i'd like to see MOTU approving the MOTUs themselves without the need of any meeting...11:56
tsengand tries to eat it off the floor11:56
dholbachtseng: i will kick your ass badly at UDU, if you hurt your dog :-)11:56
tsengwell, i like multiple people signing off11:56
ogratseng, sure11:56
tsengbut yeah, waiting 2 weeks for a meeting is lame11:56
tsenglets set up some kind of tracking page11:56
tsengwhere 3 of us sign off on someone11:57
tsengsound good?11:57
ograthere will always be the memebership first, so one meeting is there anyway11:57
tsengoh and um11:57
dholbachhrmmhrmhrmhrmhrmhrm11:57
tsengTB reviews still11:57
tsengjust not as a meeting item11:57
dholbachwe should maybe be A BIT more anal about it11:57
tsengit is bad at meetings anyway11:57
dholbachso hear about complaints or anything11:57
ogralets see in UdU11:57
tsengok11:57
tsengwe have a motu meeting scheduled11:58
dholbachit won't always be as kittykitty as it is now11:58
tsengwith us three on the list11:58
dholbacherm.. where?11:58
tsengon the wiki?11:58
ograoh, do we ?11:58
tsengyes?11:58
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tsenghttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDevelopment/ExpandingUniverse11:58
ograhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUMeeting11:58
tsengwell11:59
ograthats empty11:59
tsengnot quite the exact topic11:59
tsengbut its a meeting of motus at UDU11:59
ograah, a BOF11:59
dholbachyes11:59
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dholbachand the community building bof11:59
tsengwe can discuss it there11:59
tsengi already added some stuff to that page11:59
tseng"requirements"11:59
ograits rather a recitation with discussion11:59
ograthen a meeting11:59
tsengI see12:00
tsengthat sounds less productive12:00
tsengi dont need a recitation because i was there :P12:00
tsengbut if its for the benefit of community members, fine12:00
ograat least thats how it was in mataro... 15 min talk, and 30 min discussing, speccin out things etc...12:00

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