[01:12] <schweeb> did that CC meeting ever end up being rescheduled?
[01:29] <ajmitch> schweeb: not afaik
[01:29] <ajmitch> hi bradb
[01:31] <bradb> hi ajmitch :)
[03:05] <ajmitch_> hi trulux
[04:08] <ajmitch_> bddebian!
[04:08] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch_
[04:12] <ajmitch_> what's up?
[04:14] <bddebian> Getting my ass kicked in KotOR II.  You?
[04:16] <ajmitch_> working at uni :)
[04:17] <bddebian> Fun fun :-)
[09:00] <dholbach> morning
[09:00] <Treenaks> morning :)
[09:23] <dholbach> have a nice day
[10:03] <GheRivero> rs
[10:03] <Treenaks> rs?
[10:03] <GheRivero> res
[10:04] <GheRivero> Hi again?
[10:04] <Treenaks> ah ;)
[10:19] <koke> Hi MOTUses!
[10:20] <crimsun> hi!
[10:29] <HostingGeek> HEY koke !!
[10:30] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: how did you get back in here?
[10:31] <HostingGeek> koke: tseng wanted to ban me last night with what i said to you.... I guess he doesn't read your blog to understand.... Howto punish him for this servire crime? Hijact all domains to point to your blog? :P
[10:31] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: Maybe someone didn't know its .au and not .a and gave up and let me stay...
[10:31] <koke> HostingGeek: what did you say
[10:31] <koke> I have terrible memory
[10:32] <HostingGeek> Treenaks: and it will be sick if you ban me for a joke on a joke on koke's blog...
[10:32] <HostingGeek> koke: nah.. you timed out.. so i don't think you got it
[10:32] <HostingGeek> koke: I just said "koke: Your poor thing.... you want me to show you howto login?"
[10:35] <Shufla> hi
[10:36] <koke>  =.amedias.Ubuntu.breezy-changes [Msgs:1425 New:1394 Inc:17 5,6M] 
[10:36] <koke> shit! the auto-import has come through breezy-changes@ !!
[10:36] <crimsun> oh it's just going to get worse
[10:38] <Amaranth> did it even make it past lib yet?
[10:39] <Treenaks> crimsun: it is?
[10:39] <Treenaks> Amaranth: it's at ocaml for me
[10:39] <Treenaks> openthesaurus
[10:39] <Amaranth> woo, i might get my breezy-changes accept mail sometime tomorrow
[10:39] <Amaranth> just in time to miss the sid flood :)
[10:39] <Shufla> if package is not in universe source and i'd like to check if it's in debian repo then which dist should I look for - sarge, yees?
[10:40] <crimsun> Shufla: sid
[10:40] <crimsun> Shufla: if it's not in sid, check wnpp
[10:40] <Shufla> crimsun: ok.
[10:40] <crimsun> err, if it's not in sid /or/ experimental, check wnpp
[10:40] <Shufla> crimsun: well. it's specific program.
[10:40] <Amaranth> wnpp?
[10:41] <Shufla> orphans
[10:41] <crimsun> Amaranth: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
[10:41] <crimsun> it also includes ITPs
[10:41] <crimsun> those are the ones most relevant if the package you seek is not in sid or experimental
[10:42] <Amaranth> ah
[10:42] <Treenaks> not bugs.debian.org/wnpp ?
[10:42] <crimsun> Treenaks: yes, bugs/wnpp is the de facto url
[10:42] <crimsun> just pointing Amaranth to an explanation
[10:42] <Treenaks> ah ok
[10:43] <Shufla> ok. let's persume that package is not found anywhere in debian/ubuntu. where/what (deb/dsc?) should I send?
[10:43] <Shufla> (MOTU wikipage is unorganized :()
[10:43] <crimsun> Shufla: MOTUNewPackages
[10:43] <Treenaks> or find a sponsor in debian
[10:43] <Shufla> crimsun: found it right now :)
[10:44] <Treenaks> (I think we still prefer it if packages are in debian too, right)
[10:44] <crimsun> Treenaks: yep
[10:49] <Shufla> ok, thanks a lot, bye :)
[12:55] <ajmitch> pbuilder is setup now, just waiting on an update
[12:55] <ajmitch> then we can attack merging & a c++ transition
[03:00] <\sh> morning :)
[03:50] <jani> hello
[03:50] <jani> can anyone try installing evince in hoary? It seems to be 404 here
[03:50] <jani> was moved from universe to main
[05:49] <bddebian> Hey folks
[05:53] <GheRivero> res
[06:00] <HostingGeek> I hear python is broken in breezy
 HostingGeek: I forgot to mention that python is busted in breezy. :)
[06:06] <bddebian> Doh
[06:07] <ogra> HostingGeek, breezy doesnt even exist yet....
[06:08] <HostingGeek> ogra: ogra doesnt even exist yet....
[06:09] <HostingGeek> ogra: better fix the topic in #ubuntuforums and the mdz email in the devels list
[06:09] <ogra> HostingGeek, breezy wont exist before some packages are compiled....it just started last night...
[06:09] <ogra> there is no content yet
[06:09] <mdz> breezy exists; it's just what we might call a "hostile environment"
[06:10] <HostingGeek> ogra: the package lists are being made...
[06:10] <HostingGeek> ogra: mdz annoucned it
[06:11] <ogra> HostingGeek, if you have only four wheels and a engine in your garage, do you call it a car ?
[06:11] <mdz> the topic in #ubuntuforums seems sufficiently cautionary ;-)
[06:11] <ogra> huh, thats a channel ?
[06:12] <ogra> heh, ...how funny...
[06:13] <HostingGeek> mdz: while you where there you might of change the topic from "server" to "reps"
[06:19] <HostingGeek> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mono', which is also in package muine
[06:19] <HostingGeek> now thats funny...
[06:53] <herve> hi
[06:53] <ogra> hi herve
[06:54] <bddebian> Hello herve
[06:57] <herzi> ubuntu updates can be SOOOO boring is a computer has been away for 31 days to be repaired...
[06:57] <herzi> s/is/if/
[06:58] <ogra> herzi, but if youre on a stable system once, there are not many updates anymore
[06:58] <herzi> ogra: stable is boring too (too few new packages/updates)
[06:58] <ogra> herzi, true :)
[07:13] <herve> I wonder how one could debug a crash of ps2pdf
[07:13] <herve> could someone help me in reproducing it?
[07:14] <Burgundavia> sure
[07:14] <Burgundavia> what do you need?
[07:14] <herve> run ps2pdf on the ps file I will give you the url to
[07:15] <herve> http://deb.oursours.net/motu/itools.ps [666 kB] 
[07:16] <Burgundavia> which package provides ps2pdf?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> I also found this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2003-03/msg00086.html
[07:17] <herve> it's gs-common
[07:18] <herve> it fails on all the hoarys I tried on
[07:18] <herve> but never on debian testing or unstable
[07:18] <Burgundavia> failed here
[07:18] <Burgundavia> i ran 'ps2pdf itools.ps'
[07:18] <herve> you're running hoary/breezy? what is the "gs" alternative?
[07:19] <Burgundavia> running hoary
[07:19] <Burgundavia> seems to fail on page 47
[07:19] <herve> could you paste the traceback in PM please?
[07:37] <hsprang> good evening!
[07:38] <herve> hi!
[07:41] <herve> hmmm
[07:41] <herve> now debian fails the same way
[07:41] <herve> I was sure I tested with the same file...
[07:41] <herve> so that may be a corrupted ps file produced in the end
[07:43] <Burgundavia> did you read that email?
[07:43] <herve> ?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2003-03/msg00086.html
[07:44] <herve> ha yes
[07:45] <herve> double checked but no one answered him
[07:45] <Burgundavia> taht is over 2 years ago
[07:46] <herve> I have new clues now I know the ps file is bad
[07:46] <herve> heya tritium !
[07:46] <tritium> hey there herve :)
[07:49] <herve> I guess there exists no postscript validator?
[07:53] <herve> found pstill
[08:02] <herve> muhahaha! found the problem
[08:09] <herve> where could I find packages dated Febuary?
[08:09] <herve> dia 0.94.0-5 and -6
[09:18] <bradb> ogra: ping
[09:18] <ogra> bradb, pong
[09:18] <bradb> ogra: hi :)
[09:18] <ogra> hi :)
[09:18] <bradb> ogra: was wondering: might we be able to start doing weekly meetings on MOTU Malone?
[09:19] <ogra> yup, it starts to fill...up now that breezy starts....
[09:19] <bradb> to encourage feedback, and get a better idea of what you're liking about Malone, and what we can do to make your life easier using Malone.
[09:20] <bradb> ogra: any suggestions for a specific date and time to do this? do you guys have a regularly scheduled MOTU meeting currently? this could possibly be part of that.
[09:21] <ogra> we have no specific scedule beside we decided to have one meeting a month .... (we had 2 until now, and not scheduled the next date till now)
[09:22] <bradb> ok...what time are MOTU meetings normally held at? this will give me an idea of what day(s) i could suggest for doing this.
[09:23] <ogra> we had the first around 17:00 UTC ...
[09:23] <bradb> oh, wow...our Launchpad meetings are normally at 12:00 UTC. 17:00 is so much easier to be awake for. :P
[09:23] <ogra> the last one was directly after a CC meeting (about 22:00 UTC)
[09:23] <bradb> ogra: when was the last MOTU meeting?
[09:23] <ogra> ugh... goo question... about three weeks ago
[09:23] <bradb> maybe we can kill two birds with one stone here in scheduling the next MOTU meeting
[09:24] <ogra> bradb, i'd like to have dholbach around to decide about a date....
[09:24] <herve> killing birds? what a horrible idea!
[09:24] <herve> :-)
[09:24] <bradb> sure. would it be reasonable for us to aim for that meeting in approximately the next week or so?
[09:24] <bradb> herve: :)
[09:25] <ogra> he's currently traveling through germany....
[09:25] <bradb> er
[09:25] <bradb> that reminds me
[09:25] <bradb> yeah
[09:25] <bradb> traveling :)
[09:25] <ogra> bradb, before UdU ?
[09:25] <bradb> i'm off to australia on the 22nd, then a week in Tokyo after that
[09:25] <bradb> so, "in the next week" means before the 22nd for me.
[09:26] <ogra> before UdU means tomorrow for me....
[09:26] <bradb> ogra: you'll be at UdU then?
[09:26] <ogra> not sure if our hostel for the next week has wlan....
[09:26] <ogra> bradb, yup :-D
[09:26] <bradb> awesome dude
[09:26] <ogra> yeah
[09:26] <bradb> maybe we can BoF things out there then
[09:27] <ogra> sounds much better then doing a IRC meeting
[09:27] <bradb> yeah
[09:27] <ogra> we have about 5 MOTUs around, probably more
[09:27] <bradb> great
[09:27] <bradb> is there an MOTU bof already scheduled?
[09:27] <herve> ogra, s/then/than, you're doing that error quite a lot of times
[09:27] <ogra> yep
[09:28] <ogra> oh, thanks :)
[09:28] <herve> np, I like to be picky :-p
[09:29] <bradb> ogra: do you have a link to the bof schedule handy?
[09:29] <ogra> herve, i like to be corrected :)
[09:29] <ogra> bradb, is there a schedule already ?
[09:30] <bradb> ogra: well, i thought you said that there was an MOTU BoF already scheduled :)
[09:30] <ajmitch> morning!
[09:30] <ogra> there will be a MOTU BOF, but i dont know for when its scheduled...
[09:31] <bradb> ah, ok
[09:31] <herve> ajmitch, morning!!
[09:31] <ajmitch> yeah, I know of 5 MOTUs so far @ UDU..
[09:31] <ajmitch> there's a schedule? :)
[09:31] <ogra> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDownUnderSchedule
[09:32] <ajmitch> great
[09:33] <ajmitch> probably far too many things on at once that I want to be at
[09:34] <ajmitch> like proactive security & expanding universe :)
[09:34] <ogra> hmm, i'm wondering why hardware database is scheduled four times....
[09:34] <bradb> we may do this as a separate bof then
[09:34] <ajmitch> nearly all of them are
[09:34] <ogra> motumalonebof
[09:35] <ajmitch> long days - 9am->10pm
[09:36] <ogra> we have to get done a lot....
[09:36] <ogra> last time we had 2 weeks....
[09:36] <ajmitch> yup
[09:36] <ajmitch> mataro was 2 weeks, right?
[09:36] <ogra> yep
[09:39] <bradb> ogra: ok, so, i'll get back to you shortly on what we have planned for a Malone BoF.
[09:40] <bradb> (maybe later today, maybe in the next few days)
[09:40] <ogra> great...
[09:40] <ajmitch> we'll have plenty to talk about :)
[09:40] <ogra> i cant promise to be online very often next week
[09:40] <ogra> so a mail is probably better: hostmaster@grawert.net
[09:44] <bradb> ogra: noted, thanks.
[09:48] <motaboy> Hi all!
[09:50] <vasi> hi motaboy
[09:50] <herve> hi!
[09:58] <bddebian> Hello motaboy
[10:40] <herve> hi!
[10:41] <dholbach> hi
[10:47] <dholbach> so who of you is man enough for breezy? :-)
[10:48] <ogra> hehe
[10:48] <ogra> not me, not now...
[10:48] <dholbach> me too
[10:48] <dholbach> but we have some targets in bugzilla
[10:48] <dholbach> patch-o-magic requires us to do some hand merging
[10:48] <ogra> i'll switch if the people to blame are around me to poke them with a stick ;)
[10:49] <dholbach> hahaha, exactly
[10:51] <herve> er... I do use it
[10:51] <dholbach> herve: but you didnt upgrade, right? :-)
[10:52] <herve> I do
[10:52] <herve> once a day
[10:52] <herve> twice if I get bored :-)
[10:55] <ajmitch_> updating now! ;)
[10:55] <herve> right!
[10:55] <herve> I haven't done it for too long
[10:55] <herve> 4 hours :-)
[10:55] <ajmitch_> well, apt-get -dy dist-upgrade
[10:55] <ajmitch_> not man enough to actually install stuff yet
[10:56] <herve> muhahaha!
[10:56] <herve> :-)
[11:05] <ajmitch_> ok, it'll take a couple of hours to download packages, it seems
[11:05] <ajmitch_> so we'll have to get started on merging, and especially organising sending patches upstream to debian
[11:15] <StoneTable> Mmmm breezy
[11:15] <dholbach> hey StoneTable :-)
[11:15] <StoneTable> hey there :)
[11:16] <GheRivero> res
[11:17] <StoneTable> getting breezy on my laptop, then I'm ready to rock
[11:18] <dholbach> unfortunately i have to pack or i would have worked a bit with you :-/
[11:19] <StoneTable> no problem.  In two weeks I'll be sitting down with with a motu or two and get some hands-on help
[11:19] <dholbach> breezy will have a shining and gleaming universe
[11:20] <StoneTable> yay
[11:20] <dholbach> haha ogra, just got my brothers ones :-)
[11:20] <ogra> i have none.....
[11:20] <ogra> i'll buy some ugly ones in sydney
[11:21] <StoneTable> oh yeah, have fun at udu.  We're going to have our own little ubuntu-fest at a con in detroit that weekend
[11:21] <ogra> yeah
[11:22] <dholbach> WOW
[11:22] <dholbach> you'll have to report
[11:22] <\sh> ogra: what i wanted to ask, where is the "Nora" Chain?
[11:22] <StoneTable> we will.  I'll probably write it up for my column.  I talked one of the motu into doing a packaging session, too, so it should be fun
[11:23] <ogra> \sh, do i have curls ?
[11:23] <dholbach> StoneTable: who will all be there?
[11:23] <\sh> ogra: no, but the picture on your wiki userpage looks like thomas A in the early 80ies
[11:23] <ogra> yep *g*
[11:23] <\sh> just joking ;)
[11:23] <StoneTable> metallikop (he's a motu), schweeb, normally whiprush, but he's going to be at ubu
[11:24] <StoneTable> http://www.penguicon.org/ is the con
[11:24] <dholbach> StoneTable: is metallikop alright?
[11:24] <StoneTable> ya
[11:24] <dholbach> didn't see him around
[11:24] <StoneTable> I think he's been busy at work lately
[11:24] <ogra> me neither for quite some time
[11:25] <dholbach> ah i see... but as long as you have contact, i'm a bit relieved
[11:25] <StoneTable> Yeah, he's doing okay, just busy
[11:25] <dholbach> alright
[11:45] <Kaya> hello
[11:45] <Kaya> XBGM (xbgm.sf.net), It's a very nice xbox game manager that some may consider as the Qwix
[11:45] <Kaya> for none-MS Windows OSes.
[11:45] <Kaya> Now, the software is under the GPL and does not contain any non-free file. You don't need anything non-free to
[11:45] <Kaya> compile and run it either But, i was wondering if the ubuntu-legal team had anything against that
[11:45] <Kaya> package since it implies that you have a modified xbox with an alternative OS. There's no way you can use xbgm# if you haven't modchipped or softmodded your xbox.
[11:46] <Kaya> So... what do you think?  Is that possible to add it to Ubuntu universe
[11:47] <herve> Kaya, first guess, it conflicts against dmca, no?
[11:47] <dholbach> Kaya: we have no ubuntu-legal team yet, but could you kindly add a note to a) wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates or b) wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages (ONLY if you are going to package it :-))
[11:47] <Kaya> i don't think so
[11:47] <dholbach> herve: herve herve herve !!! :-)
[11:48] <StoneTable> herve:  congrats
[11:48] <\sh> first i need to be a member of ubuntu and than we will discuss the motu stuff ;)
[11:48] <herve> Kaya, it's a candidate then, do you know if someone intented to package it in debian?
[11:49] <Kaya> yes in http://organact.mine.nu/debian/unstable/
[11:49] <tseng> dholbach!
[11:49] <dholbach> tseng: tseng? :-)
[11:50] <tseng> sup
[11:50] <tseng> MOM is going nuts
[11:50] <tseng> there are 3429090 changes
[11:50] <dholbach> MOM?
[11:50] <tseng> merge-o-matic
[11:50] <dholbach> yes
[11:50] <dholbach> that will be fun
[11:51] <dholbach> but most will be just go-ahead-sync-it
[11:51] <dholbach> because we just rebuilt
[11:51] <tseng> yes
[11:51] <vasi> is MOTU in charge of multiverse as well?
[11:51] <tseng> yep.
[11:51] <dholbach> but i'll talk about it at UDU, we need a process for that
[11:51] <ogra> hmm...what about all these python packages
[11:51] <Kaya> where do i  add a note to UniverseCandidates  wiki
[11:51] <herve> go-ahead-sync-it-we-will-clean-the-mess-behind-you
[11:51] <tseng> ogra: that will blow hard
[11:51] <ogra> yep
[11:51] <ogra> vasi, sort of
[11:51] <vasi> so who do i go to for bugs in multiverse? the Maintainer in the .deb?
[11:51] <tseng> we need dholbach to join debian
[11:51] <tseng> and merge them all upstream
[11:52] <ogra> vasi, see the topic....
[11:52] <tseng> in one night
[11:52] <herve> we still have to play with these wiki pages?
[11:52] <ogra> vasi, for multiverse as well....
[11:52] <tseng> i wonder if my gpg key works yet
[11:52] <vasi> ogra, ok i wasn't sure about that :-)
[11:52] <dholbach> tseng: doko rather for all the python mess :-)
[11:52] <vasi> thanks
[11:52] <tseng> dholbach: your the commit hero :-)
[11:52] <dholbach> tseng: i'm not remotely as clever as he is
[11:53] <ogra> ... he's idle
[11:53] <ogra> *g*
[11:54] <tseng> anyone here upgrade to breezy yet?
[11:54] <dholbach> tseng: herve did :-)
[11:54] <tseng> or still waiting for a buildd
[11:54] <dholbach> he's a REAL man
[11:54] <Kaya> In order to midify the wiki do i need account?
[11:54] <tseng> yes Kaya
[11:54] <ogra> herve is pretending he did
[11:54] <dholbach> herve ROCKS
[11:54] <ogra> yeah
[11:54] <herve> ogra, you want a ssh login to check it all?
[11:55] <herve> and I'm soon a motu :-p
[11:55] <dholbach> we need a MOTU council
[11:55] <ogra> herve, no, thanks :)
[11:55] <tseng> we need an MOTU fact-kicker-inner
[11:55] <tseng> *face
[11:55] <ogra> herve, yep, finally got your key ready
[11:55] <tseng> thats all.
[11:55] <herve> ogra, it was not that bad in the end
[11:55] <tseng> did i tell you about the laser dholbach ?
[11:55] <dholbach> laser?
[11:55] <tseng> if i put the laser on the door
[11:55] <dholbach> what are you going to do?
[11:55] <tseng> the dog will run smack into it
[11:56] <tseng> he chases the laser right into walls
[11:56] <ogra> tseng, lets see how we can make it, but i'd like to see MOTU approving the MOTUs themselves without the need of any meeting...
[11:56] <tseng> and tries to eat it off the floor
[11:56] <dholbach> tseng: i will kick your ass badly at UDU, if you hurt your dog :-)
[11:56] <tseng> well, i like multiple people signing off
[11:56] <ogra> tseng, sure
[11:56] <tseng> but yeah, waiting 2 weeks for a meeting is lame
[11:56] <tseng> lets set up some kind of tracking page
[11:57] <tseng> where 3 of us sign off on someone
[11:57] <tseng> sound good?
[11:57] <ogra> there will always be the memebership first, so one meeting is there anyway
[11:57] <tseng> oh and um
[11:57] <dholbach> hrmmhrmhrmhrmhrmhrm
[11:57] <tseng> TB reviews still
[11:57] <tseng> just not as a meeting item
[11:57] <dholbach> we should maybe be A BIT more anal about it
[11:57] <tseng> it is bad at meetings anyway
[11:57] <dholbach> so hear about complaints or anything
[11:57] <ogra> lets see in UdU
[11:57] <tseng> ok
[11:58] <tseng> we have a motu meeting scheduled
[11:58] <dholbach> it won't always be as kittykitty as it is now
[11:58] <tseng> with us three on the list
[11:58] <dholbach> erm.. where?
[11:58] <tseng> on the wiki?
[11:58] <ogra> oh, do we ?
[11:58] <tseng> yes?
[11:58] <tseng> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDevelopment/ExpandingUniverse
[11:58] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUMeeting
[11:59] <tseng> well
[11:59] <ogra> thats empty
[11:59] <tseng> not quite the exact topic
[11:59] <tseng> but its a meeting of motus at UDU
[11:59] <ogra> ah, a BOF
[11:59] <dholbach> yes
[11:59] <dholbach> and the community building bof
[11:59] <tseng> we can discuss it there
[11:59] <tseng> i already added some stuff to that page
[11:59] <tseng> "requirements"
[11:59] <ogra> its rather a recitation with discussion
[11:59] <ogra> then a meeting
[12:00] <tseng> I see
[12:00] <tseng> that sounds less productive
[12:00] <tseng> i dont need a recitation because i was there :P
[12:00] <tseng> but if its for the benefit of community members, fine
[12:00] <ogra> at least thats how it was in mataro... 15 min talk, and 30 min discussing, speccin out things etc...