[12:00] <LinuxJones> St0n3-C0l, have you run into any problems with it so far ?
[12:00] <topyli> XTC: if you can set up iptables, you might as well write the commands into a script and run it at boot time. what's the problem?
[12:00] <St0n3-C0l> LinuxJones: Just getting it
[12:01] <Dr_Jekyll> XTC: i personally would use shorewall (a frontend for iptables, much more clear and easy)
[12:01] <St0n3-C0l> LinuxJones: I'll soon pass my comments on it :P
[12:01] <LinuxJones> St0n3-C0l, I think that I will let ummmm..... you install first :)
[12:02] <XTC> topyli i dunno much about linux xD that's the problem
[12:02] <XTC> :p
[12:02] <XTC> shorewall hm....
[12:02] <grout_> i tried to ssh into my machine but my password dosnt work
[12:02] <grout_> does it have a diffrent defauly password or something
[12:02] <topyli> XTC: then just install firestarter and run the wizard. :) why do you need a firewall anyway?
[12:02] <rempresent> dcraven:  it said that ndiswrapper isnt installed
[12:02] <theine> grout_: no
[12:03] <XTC> no, i need it for sharing inet in my house
[12:03] <theine> grout_, with which command did you ssh into your machine?
[12:03] <rempresent> dcraven:  but i am sure i installed it, i typed in "dpkg -i whateverthenameofpackage.deb"
[12:03] <grout_> ssh (ip)
[12:03] <topyli> XTC: ok, firestarter makes that easy
[12:03] <theine> grout_, and (ip) was?
[12:03] <dcraven> rempresent, did you compile it yourself?
[12:03] <rempresent> umm
[12:04] <theine> grout_, did you try 'ssh localhost'?
[12:04] <rempresent> dcraven:  i don't know, i just typed that in, what else do i need to do
[12:04] <grout_> 69.173.176.94
[12:04] <dcraven> rempresent, do you remember what "whateverthenameofpackage.deb" really was?
[12:04] <St0n3-C0l> LinuxJones: how do I force any software to install without checking depencies ?
[12:04] <rempresent> yeah
[12:05] <theine> grout_, are you sure you have the same username on both machines?
[12:05] <St0n3-C0l> dependencies*
[12:05] <rempresent> dcraven: ndiswrapper-source_1.1-1_i386.deb
[12:05] <Dr_Jekyll> grout_: ssh grout@69.173.176.94
[12:06] <LinuxJones> St0n3-C0l, ohh that's bad :)
[12:06] <Dr_Jekyll> or whatever username u need
[12:06] <St0n3-C0l> LinuxJones: curl3 requires by yast2-core but version 1.2.x something is already installed which is newer than the required one :P
[12:06] <dcraven> rempresent, then you probably still need to compile it then. Hold up.
[12:07] <CarlK> apt-get install kernel-source says "Note, selecting kernel-source-2.4.27 instead of kernel-source" even though I am on the defalt of Linux snubby 2.6.10-5-386 - does this make any sense?
[12:07] <dcraven> rempresent, what is the output of the command "uname -r"?
[12:07] <rempresent> dcraven:  2.6.10-5-386
[12:07] <St0n3-C0l> hah
[12:08] <grout_> how can i choose which machine i wanna ssh into?
[12:08] <theine> CarlK, try apt-get install linux-source...
[12:08] <dcraven> rempresent, check that you have a directory called /usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.1 as well.. I'm guessing that's what that .deb package did.
[12:08] <theine> grout_, you specify the ip of that machine?
[12:08] <rempresent> dcraven:  nope
[12:09] <grout_> there both on the same local network
[12:09] <theine> grout_, what's your username on the box you want to ssh into?
[12:09] <grout_> grout
[12:09] <rempresent> dcraven: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper
[12:09] <rempresent> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko
[12:09] <Dr_Jekyll> grout_: every machine has a unique IP number
[12:09] <Dr_Jekyll> so use it
[12:09] <grout_> yea i know
[12:09] <rempresent> dcraven:  those are the two places when i do the "locate" command
[12:09] <grout_> but do i put in two ips?
[12:09] <grout_> like ssh 173.176.94 192.168.1.1
[12:09] <CarlK> theine - thats better - it took me to linux-source-2.6.10
[12:09] <theine> grout_, then try 'ssh grout@69.173.176.94' or whatever local ip the other machine has
[12:10] <|QuaD-> UBUNTU WAS ON VERONICA MARS LAST NIGHT!!!
[12:10] <rempresent> what is veronica mars?
[12:10] <Dr_Jekyll> grout_: 2 ips? what do you want to do?
[12:10] <|QuaD-> rempresent: a tvshow
[12:10] <dcraven> rempresent, oh... I think one of those is the Ubuntu default. Maybe we should try that first. I had to compile my own though.
[12:10] <rempresent> |QuaD=: nice
[12:10] <rempresent> alright...
[12:10] <rempresent> dcraven:  so what do i do know
[12:11] <dcraven> rempresent, install the ndiswrapper-utils package.
[12:11] <dcraven> rempresent, via apt.
[12:11] <St0n3-C0l> anyway to force software ?
[12:11] <rempresent> dcraven: done
[12:11] <grout_> whats the command to see disk space?
[12:12] <theine> grout_, df -h
[12:12] <dcraven> rempresent, now try "ndiswrapper -i /path/to/windowsdriver.inf".
[12:12] <grout_> thanks
[12:12] <Dr_Jekyll> far to much chattering in here, i part for the night, you guys would fill my logs too fast =) -- gnite
[12:12] <grout_> whats df stand fore?
[12:12] <grout_> for
[12:12] <chris_d> grout_: disk free
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB>  DiskFree
[12:12] <theine> grout_, no idea :)
[12:12] <arturo_> Alguien habla Espaol??
[12:12] <theine> HrdwrBoB, ah
[12:12] <lycan> yo hablo espaol
[12:12] <arturo_> no pos chido
[12:12] <arturo_> Soy David wey.
[12:12] <topyli> arturo_: #ubuntu-es
[12:12] <BackSlaSh83> supposing that i have one among gconfd-2, gam_server, gnome-vfs-daemon,bonobo-activation stalling and not letting me load gnome, any idea on qhat should i do?
[12:12] <lycan> ahhhhh
[12:13] <lycan> jajajajaja
[12:13] <dcraven> rempresent, is it by chance the bcmwl5 driver?
[12:13] <rempresent> dcraven:  uhh .. this happened
[12:13] <lycan> y ese nombre
[12:13] <rempresent> dcraven: root@rempresent:~ # ndiswrapper -i /media/cdrom1/Driver/bcmwl5.inf
[12:13] <rempresent> ls: /etc/ndiswrapper: No such file or directory
[12:13] <rempresent> Installing bcmwl5
[12:13] <rempresent> Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1
[12:13] <lycan> es del mallami?
[12:14] <Cuga> Hey is anybody here running Hoary with a 6600GT nvidia video card?
[12:14] <arturo_> De buen apuro salimos wey.
[12:14] <arturo_> ni quien nos oriente en algo aqui
[12:14] <dcraven> rempresent, good. Now do a "modprobe ndiswrapper". You should get no output.
[12:14] <rempresent> dcraven: that is the driver though
[12:14] <rempresent> ok
[12:14] <lycan> eso si
[12:14] <Cuga> I can't use anything that uses GL for more then 5 secs then the system locks up
[12:14] <dcraven> rempresent, the good news is that that is the same driver I'm using right now, so it does work. I compiled my own ndiswrapper though.
[12:14] <rempresent> dcraven:  i did that there was no output, so i am guessing that i can use it
[12:15] <arturo_> Busquemos una sala en espaol
[12:15] <lycan> @find belinda
[12:15] <dcraven> rempresent, do a "ndiswrapper -l" to see if all is well.
[12:15] <rempresent> alright, how can i test it out...
[12:15] <rempresent> alright
[12:15] <lycan> pues haber en donde es
[12:15] <rempresent> Installed ndis drivers:
[12:15] <rempresent> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[12:15] <dcraven> rempresent, assuming all is well, do an "ndiswrapper -m" to make it load on its own when you reboot.
[12:16] <dcraven> rempresent, looks good so far. You should be able to use it.
[12:16] <MajestiK> Hi, I'm trying to get a problem with libc.so.6 fixed, and I found a bugzilla entry that seems to show that it's been fixed, and commited already https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=26 specifically "Fixed in glibc -20ubuntu12 upload." is there anything I need to do to get access to the fix?
[12:16] <rempresent> dcraven: alright thanks a ton
[12:16] <neighborlee> ubuntu hoary uses which reiserfs ..3.5 or 3.6 ?
[12:16] <dcraven> rempresent, no problem. Good luck.
[12:16] <rempresent> yeah
[12:17] <CarlK> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 - that just leaves me with linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2 ?
[12:18] <CarlK> I wonder what the point of that is..
[12:18] <dcraven> CarlK, you ask for source, you get source :)
[12:18] <rempresent> dcraven:  what type of application can i use to monitor network activity through my router...
[12:18] <rempresent> .. or to look for other APs
[12:19] <St0n3-C0l> Anyway to force the software in Synaptic to install it without checking dependencies ?
[12:19] <SpaceNuts> hi
[12:19] <twalls> hi
[12:19] <SpaceNuts> Waht is meant with, "Failed to stat file ..."
[12:19] <dcraven> rempresent, the netapplet applet will list APs, so will "iwlist wlan0 scan" I think.
[12:19] <rempresent> dcraven:  like the icon in windows that shows you the APs availiable and status
[12:19] <CarlK> 700mb drive is running out of space... what is the apt command to delete it's cache?
[12:19] <SpaceNuts> What does the word "stat" mean
[12:19] <dcraven> rempresent, as for traffic monitoring, I dunno. I'm sure there are plenty.
[12:19] <mindmedic> CarlK, man apt-get
[12:19] <Cylanes> Hi there.
[12:19] <dcraven> rempresent, I'm not familiar with Windows.
[12:19] <mindmedic> read through
[12:20] <mindmedic> and then type apt-get clean
[12:20] <SpaceNuts> CarlK: apt-cache clear         I beleieve
[12:20] <SpaceNuts> CarlK: or clean
[12:20] <rempresent> dcraven:  how to i install the netapplet applet
[12:20] <mindmedic> dunno :)
[12:20] <dcraven> rempresent, others in here are familiar with it though.
[12:20] <SpaceNuts> CarlK: apt-cache --help|grep clea
[12:20] <SiRrUs> hello
[12:20] <dcraven> rempresent, apt-get install netapplet?
[12:20] <CarlK> I hope so... got to race tar for space
[12:20] <MajestiK> Is there a bleeding edge apt source, like debian's unstable?
[12:20] <rempresent> dcraven:  thanks!
[12:21] <SpaceNuts> What is meant with, "Failed to stat file ..."? What does the word "stat" mean?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> CarlK: apt-get clean
[12:21] <theine> CarlK, sudo apt-get clean
[12:21] <gasman> Hi all.  I am repackaging my kernel, I was wondering if anyone had a seconed to help me a bit
[12:21] <theine> MajestiK, there'll soon be breezy (if not already...)
[12:22] <CarlK> breezy went up in the last 24 hours
[12:22] <MajestiK> theine: s/hoary/breezy/g
[12:22] <Amaranth> CarlK: No packages for breezy yet.
[12:22] <theine> MajestiK, yep
[12:22] <SpaceNuts> I am translating Gnomebaker, can anyone give me the meaning of the word Stat ??
[12:22] <Amaranth> It exists in spirit, but it isn't there. :P
[12:22] <nebyeti> as in statistic?
[12:22] <SpaceNuts> well that I don't know
[12:23] <SpaceNuts> it says Failed to stat file
[12:23] <MajestiK> Hmm.. breezy only has one package different then hoary right now :)
[12:23] <SeamusLP> Translating gnomebaker?  I think they need to work on a couple of basic things first
[12:23] <SpaceNuts> SeamusLP: well ok, just translating some stuff with Rosetta
[12:23] <SeamusLP> Like for example, burning dvd iso's.  Copying dvds.
[12:23] <theine> MajestiK, well, as CarlK said, it's been started within the last 24 hours
[12:23] <SiRrUs> SpaceNuts i think it means that the file is not on the server
[12:23] <An0ator> which good dvd/cd cooking application (GUI) do you recommend?
[12:24] <SpaceNuts> Sirrus: that the file cannot be found
[12:24] <theine> MajestiK, I'm sure in a week there'll be plenty of new packages...
[12:24] <SeamusLP> oh wait, I'm thinking graveman
[12:24] <SeamusLP> Yeah gnomebaker is the good one.
[12:24] <gaio> An0ator, graveman
[12:24] <SpaceNuts> thx for your help
[12:24] <MajestiK> theine: yeah.. not a surprise then :)  I'm hunting for a newer libc6 version, hopefully one that fixes this problem I have with Matlab
[12:24] <An0ator> gaio: thx
[12:24] <Cuga> Does anybody here have a working 6600GT nvidia video card with ubuntu ?
[12:24] <gaio> An0ator, nautilus itself
[12:24] <theine> MajestiK, wouldn't you rather need an older libc6 for Matlab?
[12:25] <MajestiK> theine: the bug(s) I found seem to think that a newer one has a patch to fix the problems..
[12:25] <rempresent> dcraven:  i have a problem, my wlan0 isn't configured, that is what it is saing
[12:25] <MajestiK> gentoo, debian, and ubuntu all have the exact same problem
[12:25] <theine> MajestiK, i see
[12:25] <rempresent> dcraven:  *saying
[12:25] <MajestiK> theine: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=26
[12:26] <MajestiK> (And I'm having troubles with Schrodinger's Maestro as well.. but it's the same problem)
[12:26] <rempresent> dcraven:  but in my connecton properties, i am getting two options for configuring the internet, it is eth0 and lo
[12:26] <MajestiK> I only have one fix now, and it's totally unacceptable.. RedHat
[12:26] <An0ator> what about a gui frontend for creating iptables rulesets, plus defining QoS if possible?
[12:26] <SeamusLP> MajestiK, I suppose upgrading libc would break things?
[12:27] <theine> MajestiK, "xmms: does not start without libesd0 installed"?
[12:27] <theine> MajestiK, that one?
[12:27] <Verwilst> man, ubuntu is sweet :$
[12:27] <MajestiK> theine: it ends up being a libc problem
[12:28] <MajestiK> SeamusLP: it might break things.. which is why it's not in hoary (yet)
[12:28] <SeamusLP> MajestIk I think you'd have to get breezy for that
[12:29] <MajestiK> SeamusLP: yeah, which means I get to wait till breezy actually has packages seperate from hoary.. Oh well, users get to wait :)
[12:30] <theine> MajestiK, hmm, it says that it's fixed in -20ubuntu12, and i have -20ubuntu13 under hoary...
[12:31] <MajestiK> theine: where did you get that detail on the version for libc?
[12:31] <theine> MajestiK, synaptic
[12:31] <Feugan> hi all, The following error is what is stopping my wireless card from working on hoary: localhost kernel: Polling for an IRQ FAILED with 0, cmd_status 0, irqs_active 1.  Does anyone know what this error is about?
[12:32] <whiteknight> Feugan, what is your wireless card?
[12:32] <MajestiK> theine: I'm running 20ubuntu13 as well.. maybe time to submit a new bug :)
[12:33] <Feugan> The card works on Mandrake
[12:33] <Feugan> chipset : acx100
[12:33] <theine> MajestiK, what's the error message you're getting when you try to run matlab
[12:33] <SeamusLP> Feugan:  Did it work during the install?
[12:33] <Feugan> actually acx111
[12:34] <neighborlee> ubuntu hoary uses which reiserfs ..3.5 or 3.6 ?
[12:34] <MajestiK> theine: http://pastebin.ca/9505
[12:34] <Feugan> No, but I did not expect it to. The drivers are still in development. But the drivers do work
[12:35] <whiteknight> Feugan, where are you getting the drivers from? http://acx100.sourceforge.net/
[12:35] <SeamusLP> Feugan: you wouldn't happen to be using a dell laptop would you?
[12:35] <theine> MajestiK, those syntax errors are pretty weird already, aren't they?
[12:35] <Feugan> yes, that's it
[12:35] <An0ator> the eternal question: ext3, reiser4, xfs, jfs? best for most scenarios?
[12:35] <topyli> An0ator: ext3
[12:36] <Feugan> SeamusLP: No PC
[12:36] <MajestiK> theine: that's probably just the matlab startup script.. the last line is the important one.. I should read before pasting :)
[12:36] <whiteknight> Feugan, seen this? http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-50228.html
[12:36] <whiteknight> Feugan, seems like someone else has had the same problem
[12:37] <theine> MajestiK, the last line looks pretty complicated...
[12:37] <Feugan> ah, give me a sec i'll take a look
[12:37] <whiteknight> Feugan, actually isn't that useful :)
[12:38] <whiteknight> Feugan, are you using the same driver as in mandrake? and are you compiling it yourself from source?
[12:38] <whiteknight> Feugan, finally what exactly is your card?
[12:39] <MajestiK> theine: any ideas? or submit bug?
[12:39] <Pluk> yay just got wmv9 working on amd64 with a 32bit chroot :)
[12:39] <Pluk> chrooting is nice
[12:39] <theine> MajestiK, have a look at this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2004/10/msg00026.html
[12:40] <MajestiK> theine: I think I found that one a couple times in the last few hours :)  shouldn't that be available now then?  It was Oct/04, aka 6 months ago..
[12:41] <Feugan> whiteknight: I'm compiling myself, no problems there, I can't tell exactly what the card is because a company called Mecer put their branding on the card and pretend that they made it. It's a 802.11g
[12:41] <whiteknight> Feugan, from my research it seems that axc111 is recently supported, have you tried ndiswrapper
[12:41] <whiteknight> Feugan, it usually works wonders
[12:41] <theine> MajestiK, I'd suggest to edit the Matlab script and extract the version number by other means
[12:41] <Feugan> whiteknight: oops i'm not using exactly the same driver as in mandrake just a later version. Ok I will try same version :-)
[12:42] <whiteknight> Feugan, yeah thats a good idea, best not to change things!
[12:42] <Feugan> ndiswrapper :-(
[12:42] <MajestiK> theine: actually, matlab isn't my biggest issue, another tool is showing the same thing, but failing worse on it.. (Schrodinger Maestro)
[12:42] <whiteknight> Feugan, really?
[12:43] <theine> MajestiK, how much worse?
[12:43] <Feugan> whiteknight: I hate ndiswrapper :-)
[12:44] <MajestiK> theine: dies trying to use it.. didn't dig much, and as long as I'm getting that error from it, support won't talk to me, since I'm not running DedRat
[12:44] <whiteknight> Feugan, okay, i agree that it is nothing like a native driver, however it does help a lot of people
[12:44] <theine> MajestiK, but just because i'm curious... try replacing line 224 in the matlab script with:
[12:45] <theine> MajestiK, ver="2.3.2"
[12:45] <chase> i need an mp3 encoder so i can get some music on the IPod anyone know a app that does it?
[12:45] <theine> MajestiK, instead of ver=`/lib/libc.so.6 | head -1 | sed -e "s/^[^0-9] *//" -e "s/[ ,] .*$//"`
[12:45] <dazed> boredom :(
[12:45] <Feugan> whitekight: :-) Ok got try that same ver. Thanks for your help!
[12:45] <kangpeh> i take it there is no way to theme ur gtk apps - when running KDE (kubuntu)
[12:45] <kangpeh> ?
[12:46] <whiteknight> Feugan, no worries, hope it works
[12:46] <Quest-Master> What's the best file manager for XFCE besides XFFM (which plainly is pretty bad)?
[12:47] <smouche> rox-filer, Quest-Master !
[12:47] <MajestiK> theine: no can do.. looks like it's hardcoded in to the binaries
[12:47] <Reblended> I'm booted to LIVE CD hoary... what's the command or where do I go to get my wireless adaptor to get recognized?
[12:47] <whiteknight> Reblended, whats the card?
[12:47] <Pluk> rox is great
[12:47] <theine> MajestiK, NANO/tools/matlab_r14_s2/bin/scripts/.matlab7rc.sh is hardcoded??
[12:47] <Reblended> whiteknight, it's a speedbooster G
[12:48] <Reblended> I can get you the model.. hang on
[12:48] <MajestiK> prg3@nanoxeon02:/NANO/tools/matlab_r14_s2/bin/scripts$ grep libc ??*
[12:48] <MajestiK> prg3@nanoxeon02:/NANO/tools/matlab_r14_s2/bin/scripts$
[12:48] <dazed> Reblended: your going to need to get drivers for your model and use ndiswrapper to install it
[12:48] <theine> MajestiK, too bad...
[12:48] <MajestiK> yeah
[12:48] <dazed> Reblended: its not going to be too good on livecd since its not going to remember once you reboot
[12:49] <theine> MajestiK, I think you really should submit a bug report and see what people say to this
[12:49] <yyc747> any idea what might fix "The failing step is: install base system"?  I'm on a ppc install, and it's happening
[12:49] <MajestiK> theine: K, thanks!
[12:50] <Reblended> dazed, good. I don't care if it has amnesia... I want to make sure it works. =] 
[12:50] <PacoBCN> any snort expert/user in the room?
[12:50] <Quest-Master> smouche: is it really good?
[12:51] <Reblended> whiteknight, model is broadcom bcm4306
[12:51] <whiteknight> Reblended, my favourite :) yeah it'll work, done it personally many years ago!
[12:51] <Reblended> whiteknight, what are the steps! =D
[12:51] <whiteknight> Reblended, gonna need ndiswrapper as suggested already by dazed
[12:51] <dazed> Reblended: well i have the same model...and i can tell you it does work lol
[12:52] <Reblended> cool
[12:52] <Reblended> dazed, I have a thumb drive that I can use to download to and such
[12:52] <dazed> Reblended:  and there is a wiki on exactly how to do it step by step by step its actually a lil complicated process
[12:52] <whiteknight> Reblended, gonna struggle on a live cd though
[12:52] <whiteknight> Reblended, i'm not even sure that the live cd has ndiswrapper included
[12:52] <Reblended> k
[12:52] <Reblended> wiki url? dazed
[12:52] <dazed> let me look real quick
[12:52] <kevman> You start gnome with gnome-session , right?
[12:52] <Reblended> ty dazed
[12:53] <Reblended> and ty whiteknight
[12:53] <dazed> Reblended: if the wiki would ever load lol
[12:53] <Reblended> whiteknight, I'd like to use the hoary install cd to partition this XP machine... I've been told to use partition magic, et al... is it possible with just the install cd?
[12:53] <Reblended> lol dazed
[12:54] <twalls> ello
[12:54] <Reblended> dazed, http://oriol.joor.net/blog-dev/?itemid=1579 ?
[12:54] <Reblended> dazed, it's trying to load.. is it this one? =D
[12:54] <dazed> Reblended: actually its not possible with just install cd thats how i lost my xp and only boot linux now but partion magic works like a pro
[12:54] <dazed> Reblended: one sec im almost there lol
[12:54] <Reblended> Oh dazed  there is a trialware version/
[12:55] <Reblended> sry that url was some unknown language, dazed
[12:55] <whiteknight> Reblended, yeah like dazed says, though i wouldn't have a clue cause i use a ppc
[12:55] <dazed> Reblended: i know the trialware is a pita but there are some ways around it ^-
[12:55] <MMond> Hello, I've an odd question. If anyone is familiar with this: some people start a machine with a live cd such as knoppix in it . . . browser to the sam file to get the hashes and change the hashes . . . has anyone tried it on ubuntu?
[12:55] <dazed> jeeze something must be hoggin my bw cuz no pages are loading right now :(
[12:56] <Reblended> eww dazed
[12:56] <GhostFreeman> any good audio composing programs for Linux
[12:56] <Reblended> oh yes, GhostFreeman !!!
[12:56] <Reblended> flowergarden is it? GhostFreeman
[12:57] <Reblended> GhostFreeman,  http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/  !!!
[12:57] <Reblended> GhostFreeman,  http://www.linuxmusician.com/  http://bloodshed.net/wired/
[12:57] <Reblended> Enjoy, GhostFreeman
[12:57] <whiteknight> Reblended, the files you are going to need are here
[12:57] <whiteknight> Reblended, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-utils
[12:58] <Reblended> tyvm whiteknight
[12:58] <Reblended> whiteknight, I'm gonna put it on my thumbdrive and give it a whirl =D
[12:58] <twalls> hmm
[12:58] <whiteknight> Reblended, also you are going to need your windows driver
[12:59] <Reblended> right-o... will this work? http://oriol.joor.net/blog-dev/?itemid=1579  FIND=the Gz file  whiteknight
[12:59] <gaio> boys, how many GB should I need for 1st installation and essential packet for hoary?
[01:00] <dazed> yueah he got it Reblended sorry i took so long i gotta work on this bandwith problem now
[01:00] <Reblended> dazed, just lucky, I guess, I really don't know what google will serve up =)  Try FIREHOSE off the cinerella website
[01:00] <gaio> are 5 giga enough?
[01:01] <Reblended> dazed, what's the ndis command to load the driver?
[01:01] <Reblended> I have the ndis*util*.deb  < will this install?
[01:01] <dazed> hmmm its been a while
[01:01] <GhostFreeman> When do ya think we'll see a proper version of mplayer instead of one that comes up broken in Synaptic
[01:01] <Reblended> dazed,  I'll open terminal  ctrl-alt F6
[01:01] <whiteknight> Reblended, yeah, dpkg -i package
[01:01] <nickrud> gaio, my install is 4.6 gig, 58% used
[01:02] <holycow> GhostFreeman, when you jump in and fix whats broken or hire someone to do so?
[01:02] <whiteknight> Reblended, as in package being ndiswrapper....
[01:02] <Reblended> ahh, great!  whiteknight
[01:02] <nickrud> gaio, 4.6GB partition, that is :)
[01:02] <dazed> ahh shit i forgot i only have ndiswrapper on the laptop...i couldnt tell ya
[01:02] <Reblended> then I'll ungz the driver and is it self explanitory from there?
[01:02] <whiteknight> Reblended, yup, should be easy...
[01:03] <whiteknight> Reblended, still trying to find a guide, no there is one
[01:03] <GhostFreeman> ok
[01:03] <Reblended> sweet! learning experience fun for me... , ok I'll leave this open.. logging, ty!
[01:03] <dazed> Reblended: once you load the driver it will pick up your card and there on out its pretty common sense
[01:03] <GhostFreeman> I guess someone will need to make a xine plugin for Mozilla
[01:03] <Reblended-log> dazed, ty!  gonna go run and try it
[01:03] <Reblended-log> bb in a bit
[01:03] <gaio> nickrud, only base packet and os ?
[01:03] <dazed> gl
[01:04] <djm62> firefox on ubuntu hoary....is there an issue with icons in dialogues?
[01:04] <Fast240Z> hey, can someone help me out with mounting a fat32 partition in fstab with write permissions?
[01:04] <nickrud> gaio, base install plus maybe 10-20 extra packages.
[01:05] <CarlK> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10, untar, cd .. make.  (no configure) will that make the same kernel I currently have?
[01:05] <CarlK> no... *** You have not yet configured your kernel!
[01:05] <ccelio> hi all
[01:05] <nickrud> gaio, the one thing I should mention is not to have synaptic keep downloaded files, your cache can get quite large.
[01:05] <gaio> nickrud, tnx ;)
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Whenever I try to play songs with Rhythmbox now
[01:06] <Quest-Master> It keeps on saying Error: resource not able to be opened
[01:06] <Quest-Master> And a bunch of stuff like that
[01:06] <Quest-Master> However
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Other players like XMMS
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Are able to perfectly play the same songs
[01:06] <Quest-Master> No errors
[01:06] <Quest-Master> >_<
[01:07] <Fast240Z> anyone know anything about nautilus?
[01:07] <dazed> whats the problem Fast240Z
[01:08] <CarlK> kernel is untared.. make is running.. I have 44meg free after apt-get clean - anything else I can ditch?
[01:08] <crimsun> blahrus: pong
[01:09] <Fast240Z> well, I don't like how big the icons are, and after browsing through Configuration Editor, I found a string that allowed me to change the icon zooming
[01:09] <mkde> hi all, does anyone know about evolution and gpg? I'm trying to find out how to import a gpg signature. Anyone know?
[01:09] <Fast240Z> and I was wondering what to type in to shrink the icons down just a little bit, instead of making them micro sized
[01:09] <dazed>  ok cool
[01:10] <Fast240Z> oh, the string is /apps/nautilus/icon_view/default_zoom
[01:12] <Fast240Z> that, and is there a "look and feel" section for gnome to change window behavior and such?
[01:12] <Tyche> Hello
[01:13] <djm62> Quest-Master: do you have the gstreamer components installed?
[01:13] <nickrud> fast240z, System->Preferences->File Management has zoom controls
[01:13] <djm62> Fast240Z: System->Preferences-> gives you the gnome preferences
[01:14] <Fast240Z> okay
[01:14] <yyc747__> tell me, does hoary come with xorg?
[01:14] <Quest-Master> djm62: It's been working fine for the past year
[01:14] <mkde> Fast240Z, sadly I believe that the icon zoom will also reduce the size of your desktop text
[01:14] <mkde> Fast240Z, lemme know if i'm wrong tho
[01:14] <csj> hello, what is the newest version of Ubuntu package  repository since hoary released?
[01:15] <Fast240Z> mkde: not a big deal, it's too large for me anyways
[01:15] <csj> I use hoary but cant get Acoread 7.
[01:15] <mkde> Fast240Z, me too, but when I reduced the icons, my text was too small :/
[01:15] <djm62> Quest-Master: any stray processes running?
[01:15] <blizah> im am having troubles with flashgot/aria...i right mouse click a file click flashgot link and tab over to aria and nothing is happening
[01:16] <mkde> csj, i don't understand the question, what do you mean by version?
[01:16] <nickrud> mkde, Fast240z, you can adjust the desktop font separately in sys>pref>fonts
[01:16] <Fast240Z> oh much better
[01:16] <Fast240Z> now what about making all of the windows smaller/editing window behavior?
[01:16] <Cuga> Has anybody heard if there is an issue with 6600GT's and Xorg and hoary's default kernel?
[01:16] <csj> mkde, I mean what in the sources.list : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu "hoary"<- this term
[01:16] <djm62> also, just in case you installed something that conflicts with gstreamer-*
[01:17] <Tyche> I'm looking to play a Movie DVD from my laptop with Ubuntu...what is the best program to do that? Will it do it natively? or do I need to start using universe, etc.
[01:17] <Fast240Z> oh that made everything look a whole hell of a lot better
[01:17] <Fast240Z> thanks so much guys!
[01:17] <csj> mkde, I want to use the newest package like Debian unstable, so I use "hoary"?
[01:18] <csj> in sources.list
[01:18] <mkde> csj, yep
[01:18] <mkde> csj, ubuntu does not have an unstable version atm
[01:18] <djm62> Tyche: it won't do it natively for potential legal reasons...mplayer from extra sources does it fine for me
[01:18] <mkde> mplayer from universe for me :)
[01:18] <blizah> anyone using flashgot and aria?
[01:18] <mkde> plus libdvdcss2 from marillat
[01:19] <blizah> do i need to set up aria in any way?
[01:19] <Tyche> djm62, thank you....would that be marillat (sp?)
[01:19] <djm62> yeah
[01:19] <crimsun> mkde: (multiverse?)
[01:19] <mkde> crimsun, libdvdcss2 is in multiverse?
[01:19] <crimsun> mkde: < mkde> mplayer from universe for me :)
[01:19] <djm62> really decreases one's respect for the law...
[01:19] <mkde> oh yeah sorry
[01:19] <csj> mkde, hmm, thanks, but I feel strange that the packages in hoary are older in Debian unstable? like fontconfig and Acroread,etc.
[01:19] <PedroCC> mkde, i didnt find mplayer on universe
[01:20] <mkde> PedroCC, see crimsun's correction above
[01:20] <mkde> sorry
[01:20] <mkde> csj, why? hoary is a stable OS
[01:20] <CarlK> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10, untar, cd .. make menuconfig; "...must install ncurses-devel..." E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel
[01:20] <crimsun> csj: that's because those packages are from a _snapshot_
[01:20] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, I need to know how to copy paste... that .deb package was a long type =p
[01:20] <CarlK> so what do I need inorder to configure a kernel?
[01:20] <crimsun> CarlK: install libncurses-dev
[01:20] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, Ok.. I got ndis installed... how do I use it to install the driver?
[01:20] <dazed> Reblended-log: well you can use tabbing just hit tab when u have a portion of the deb package typed int
[01:21] <Reblended-log> Ohhh cool ty dazed
[01:21] <CarlK> crimsun - thanks... is that " must install" message a ubuntu thing?
[01:21] <Reblended-log> dazed, was pretty painless tho
[01:21] <crimsun> CarlK: that's an 'install kernel-package' thing
[01:21] <dazed> Reblended-log: thats good :)
[01:21] <csj> crimsun, I dont understand clearly, so I cant get acroread 7 ? or I should add some line in sources.list?
[01:21] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, the command is ndiswrapper -i *.inf
[01:21] <CarlK> Ill let someone (cj)in buzilla land figure it out ;)
[01:21] <Reblended-log> tyvm! whiteknight
[01:22] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, no worries
[01:22] <Reblended-log> gonna go do this now ty whiteknight and da
[01:22] <dazed> i wish someone would fix my problem :(
[01:22] <crimsun> csj: you can. Use debian-marillat.
[01:22] <whiteknight> dazed, whats your problem :)
[01:22] <Reblended-log> dazed, did you check out firehose? =] 
[01:22] <csj> crimsun, ok, thanks :)
[01:22] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, after that command
[01:22] <dazed> whiteknight: lol ill link you to my post...i dont think its fixable
[01:22] <dazed> Reblended-log: nah whats the link?
[01:22] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, you have to do sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:23] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, yes?  ty will do
[01:23] <Reblended-log> dazed, sec
[01:23] <dazed> whiteknight: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26721
[01:24] <Reblended-log> slow down there pardner =p  http://heroinewarrior.com/firehose.php3  dazed
[01:24] <whiteknight> dazed, urgh sounds like one of those really annoying problems
[01:24] <dazed> whiteknight: yeah tell me about it
[01:24] <whiteknight> dazed, have you tried the suggested solution, apm and such?
[01:24] <zerokarmaleft> i'm not sure i like the hoary's behavior of links in third-party applications ALWAYS opening a new instance of firefox
[01:24] <Neil3> hey folks is anyone else getting this happening: in Evolution, the 'New' button in the top left of the screen is constantly 'raised' in the position it would be when the mouse rolls over it
[01:24] <femv> people how can i disable some things that ubuntu is doing at boot time ????
[01:24] <merlin__> does anyone know where the install logs are saved after an install?
[01:24] <dazed> whiteknight: as i replied i have noidea what that is
[01:25] <nickrud> Neil3, that's normal. It's a special widget, not a regular button.
[01:25] <whiteknight> dazed, want me to walk you through it?
[01:25] <whiteknight> dazed, :)
[01:25] <ctrler_> i have disk access every 5 seconds, is there a way to stop that?
[01:25] <crimsun> dazed: boot with "noapic"
[01:25] <Neil3> ok, i just notice it happening when i use the clearlooks or human themes, but not with others, nickrud
[01:25] <dazed> whiteknight, uhmm sure let me get on xchat so i can actually read..
[01:26] <whiteknight> dazed, damn crimsun got ahead of me :)
[01:26] <dazed> crimsun: how can i boot with noapic without doing it through grub.lst
[01:26] <blizah> anyone have aria and flashgot working?
[01:26] <dazed> brb 3 seconds
[01:26] <htaccess> why does ubuntu use postfix? whats wrong with exim4? its at least as easy to configure as postfix, afaik debain is not planing to replace exim with postfix as the default mta so why the choice by ubuntu?
[01:26] <nickrud> Neil3, yeah, appearances: that's a theme thing :)
[01:27] <femv> people help me out .. i need to disable pcmcia recognizon at startup
[01:27] <merlin__> htaccess: they said they wanted an MTA that was as small and secure as possible
[01:27] <merlin__> I still prefer exim4 though
[01:27] <crimsun> dazed|: when your computer gets to the grub boot prompt, press 'e' and add noapic to the end, then press enter and press b
[01:27] <lamont> htaccess: could have something to do with me being heavily involved...
[01:27] <lamont> dunno
[01:28] <dazed|> alrgith back so would i have to enter noapic in grub.lst?
[01:28] <htaccess> yea the old postfix is modular so its goto be more secure argument nevermind that exim has an excellent security record
[01:28] <crimsun> lamont: never would have guessed since your the postfix maintainer ;)
[01:28] <crimsun> you're
[01:28] <foobar> has anybody been able to successfully install dvd::rip in ubuntu or kubuntu??
[01:28] <merlin__> So no one knows where the ubuntu install logs go? Do they get lost after the install?
[01:28] <dazed|> crimsun thanks ill brb and give it a shot
[01:28] <djm62> femv: dirty way.../etc/init.d/pcmcia goes elsewhere
[01:28] <PedroCC> anywone know how i play mpg on totem ?
[01:28] <cfh_dev> I just installed Ubuntu 5.04 but I don't remember it asking me to set the root password.  Is there a default password for root?
[01:28] <lamont> htaccess: it was more one of 'if I have to maintain it, I'd rather maintain postfix',  and noone else had a strong opinion
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> cfh_dev: no
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> cfh_dev: you can use 'sudo' to run things as root
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> you enter your password
[01:29] <htaccess> lamont: i assume its easy to subsitiute exim4?
[01:29] <cfh_dev> So is there no way to su to root?
[01:29] <ResNet|Eric> cfh_dev: sudo su :)
[01:29] <cfh_dev> ahh, okay.
[01:29] <ctrler_> i have disk access every 5 seconds, is there a way to stop that? thank u...
[01:29] <ResNet|Eric> cfh_dev: gives you # prompt IIRC
[01:29] <sdogi> huh, having hard time here to upgrade from warty to hoary
[01:29] <lamont> htaccess: apt-get install exim4, and say 'lalalala' when it tells you that it's removing ubuntu-base
[01:29] <ResNet|Eric> What kernel version is the latest ubuntu using?
[01:30] <crimsun> ResNet|Eric: it's better to suggest sudo -s
[01:30] <femv> djm62 you mean delete that file ?
[01:30] <crimsun> ResNet|Eric: 2.6.10 + lots of patches from .11.x
[01:30] <djm62> femv: no!
[01:30] <pvoce> I think its 2.6.10
[01:30] <cfh_dev> Sorry to sound so ignorant but I'm used to Debian.
[01:30] <stas> hi friends!
[01:30] <cfh_dev> So instead of su'ing to do something, I use sudo instead.  Is that correct?
[01:30] <nickrud> lamont: couldn't it be postfix | exim in ubuntu-base?
[01:30] <stas> I JUST installed ubuntu!
[01:30] <ResNet|Eric> crimsun: thanks for the kernel info...whats sudo -s?
[01:30] <foobar> cfh_dev, don't feel bad..i am used to gentoo..this is a totaly new world to me :)
[01:30] <stas> but I don't know the root password
[01:30] <cfh_dev> stas: me, too!
[01:31] <stas> and can't really do anything :((
[01:31] <pvoce> cfh_dev: yeppers. ans its a lot easier to work with
[01:31] <lamont> nickrud: actually, the plan is to pull postfix from ubuntu-base in breezy
[01:31] <femv> djm62 gedit is giving me nothing when trying to open it
[01:31] <lamont> that's right... _NO_ mta in base
[01:31] <cfh_dev> stas: use sudo instead of su
[01:31] <DazeD||laptop> so it should read 'ro quite splash noapic'
[01:31] <cfh_dev> stas: I just asked the same question
[01:31] <crimsun> ResNet|Eric: it's what sudo su does, but it's the recommended way
[01:31] <pvoce> I came over from mandrake (mantiva?)
[01:31] <ResNet|Eric> crimsun: ok, i'll look it up
[01:31] <DazeD||laptop> crimsun: ^?
[01:31] <htaccess> lamont: removing ubuntu-base doesnt sound too good
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[01:31] <stas> lol
[01:31] <foobar> nobody get dvd::rip to install??
[01:31] <blizah> anyone else having problems with aria and flashgot?
[01:31] <stas> sudo no worky either
[01:31] <nickrud> lamont: thanks for the info.
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> can anyone verify hoary's small memory installer working?
[01:31] <stas> ;p
[01:31] <lamont> htaccess: is meta package
[01:31] <crimsun> DazeD||laptop: yes
[01:31] <lamont> no code
[01:31] <cfh_dev> pvoce, foobar: thanks for the info on sudo.
[01:32] <stas> sudo asks for a password
[01:32] <pvoce> cfh_dev: np
[01:32] <DazeD||laptop> ok lets hope this doesnt lock up on me!! what does noapic actually do?
[01:32] <djm62> femv: ah...it is debian.  /etc/rc2.d has a link in it called S20pcmcia
[01:32] <zerokarmaleft> lamont, what about debconf and anacron messages, etc.?
[01:32] <djm62> femv: if you want no pcmcia at startup, remove the link
[01:32] <pvoce> Has anyone else started getting the permisions denied /dev/lp0" after changes?
[01:32] <zerokarmaleft> lamont, where will those go without an mta
[01:32] <lamont> zerokarmaleft: that's the discussion item./
[01:33] <ctrler_> DazeD||laptop, doesnt write access times in files...
[01:33] <stas> :| so how can I get a root prompt
[01:33] <crimsun> DazeD||laptop: disables one of the programmable interrupt controllers. It's a known workaround for buggy hardware. It's also in the Nvidia README.
[01:33] <htaccess> i guess it doenst matter, i dont anticipate using ubuntu as a server as sarge is just round the corner and all that :)
[01:33] <stas> right after installation?
[01:33] <lamont> zerokarmaleft: today they go in roots mailbox, and never get read
[01:33] <djm62> femv: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S20pcmcia
[01:33] <DazeD||laptop> good to know thanks guys
[01:33] <crimsun> ctrler_: no, that's noatime, which is a filesystem mount option
[01:33] <zerokarmaleft> heh, i read them!
[01:33] <ctrler_> ops
[01:33] <ctrler_> sorry
[01:33] <femv> djm62 , rm is ?
[01:33] <pvoce> Ive made sure the dev file was owned by users
[01:33] <lamont> stas: from the gui, go to applications -> system tools -> root terminal, and type in _your_ password at the prompt
[01:33] <DazeD||laptop> i hope that solves it ... be a great stress reliever
[01:33] <djm62> femv: rm is remove
[01:33] <pvoce> even made sure lpr was added to lp group
[01:33] <htaccess> lamont: so it doesnt actualy uninstall anything?
[01:33] <whiteknight> DazeD||laptop, its one of those things that will take ages to decide if it worked
[01:33] <cfh_dev> stas: give sudo your regular user password
[01:34] <stas> ah :))
[01:34] <stas> thanks!
[01:34] <whiteknight> DazeD||laptop, you won't notice that it isn't crashing! :)
[01:34] <DazeD||laptop> whiteknight, i know...everytime i get a "fix" i have to wait atleast a day to see if it worked or not
[01:34] <DazeD||laptop> lol
[01:34] <cfh_dev> stas: I'm right there with you.  I'm having to switch screens between boxes to try things then query the room for answers.
[01:34] <femv> djm62, if i do this... im going to be able to use a pcmcia further ?
[01:34] <DazeD||laptop> and ill go about 12 hours and think i fixed it...then BOOM
[01:34] <ctrler_> is there a way to se what are the applications writing to disk?
[01:34] <djm62> femv: yes, it just won't happen at startup
[01:34] <whiteknight> DazeD||laptop, hehe
[01:34] <lamont> htaccess: it could cause you pain on the next dist-upgrade, but otherwise is fine
[01:35] <DazeD||laptop> im just glad i got my laptop sittin next to me :)
[01:35] <femv> can i back up the file before doing it ?
[01:35] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, I type in sudo ndiswrapper -i *.ini... it can't find ndiswrapper... am I missing something?
[01:35] <nickrud> femv, always back up the file before doing *anything*
[01:35] <PedroCC> wow, totem + xine works smooth...
[01:36] <DazeD||laptop> thats awkward...did u install the package correctly?
[01:36] <stas> heh :)
[01:36] <djm62> femv: to undo the change, you'd do 'sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/pcmcia /etc/rc2.d/S20pcmcia'
[01:36] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, you've installed ndiswrapper-utils?
[01:36] <stas> can I restart X Server
[01:36] <stas> without killing X-Chat?
[01:36] <DazeD||laptop> did u dl ndiswrapper to ur thumb drive?
[01:36] <dottedquad> ok, someone was telling me that ubuntu was built on debian... but someone told me it's not.. So, which one is it?
[01:36] <djm62> femv: it doesn't really make sense to back up a link...it only points to a file
[01:36] <lamont> stas: only if you run xchat on a different x server.. :-)  (that's a no)
[01:36] <crimsun> dottedquad: the former
[01:36] <stas> hehe ok
[01:36] <DazeD||laptop> stas no
[01:36] <hyphenated> dottedquad: it's based on debian
[01:37] <Xeon3D> debian.. ICKKKK
[01:37] <nickrud> whoop's, didn't read correctly, but boy did that hit my disaster button!
[01:37] <dottedquad> alright
[01:37] <dottedquad> so you still use apt?
[01:37] <dottedquad> to download and install packages?
[01:37] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, yes
[01:37] <hyphenated> yes
[01:37] <crimsun> dottedquad: or something that uses libapt, yes
[01:37] <Reblended-log> the whole .deb file  whiteknight
[01:37] <stas> alright!
[01:37] <stas> :))))
[01:37] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, hmmmm
[01:38] <Reblended-log> am I supposed to type the command from within the directory where ndis is? whiteknight
[01:38] <engie> Hi. Where can I get a torrent for the dvd of hoary?
[01:38] <stas> it took me 3 hours yesterday to get my monitor working at normal refresh rates, using ubuntu's livecd
[01:38] <djm62> femv: if you remove the link, the file stays, and you can manually start pcmcia with 'sudo /etc/init.d/pcmcia start'
[01:38] <stas> now it's all good :)))
[01:38] <DazeD||laptop> how do i kill a nick thats registered to me thats in due to iregular close?
[01:38] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, no, the command should be system wide
[01:39] <Reblended-log> ok.. hmm I'll try installing ndis utils again... I don't have to uninstall first I hope?  whiteknight
[01:39] <thoreauputic> DazeD||laptop: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[01:39] <femv> djm62 , ill give it a try im going to reboot and see what happens... thx a lot
[01:39] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, no it should overwrite
[01:39] <Reblended-log> brb
[01:39] <DazeD||laptop> thanks thoreauputic
[01:39] <queuetue> The complete lack of updates makes me uneasy. :)
[01:40] <queuetue> I've been tracking hoary for a month, and there was *always* an update waiting. :)
[01:40] <zerokarmaleft> queuetue, i know what you mean
[01:40] <DazeD|> im feeling good about this noapic business
[01:40] <djm62> I hope that made sense 0_0
[01:40] <crimsun> queuetue: there will not be further updates to Hoary for some time _unless_ they're security-related or major, unintrusive fixes.
[01:40] <zerokarmaleft> queuetue, strange to update xorg like 3 times in a week and a half and now...calm
[01:41] <DazeD|> queuetue, lol i know how that is
[01:41] <shinzui> hi
[01:41] <queuetue> major + unintrusive is an infrequent combination. :)
[01:41] <crimsun> queuetue: / zerokarmaleft: don't worry, this is just the calm before the storm. And what a storm it will be. Get ready for some major flux.
[01:41] <nxterra> (P4 1.8, 512 mb ram) Clean Hoary Nvidia driver (Geforce fc 5200 256mb)--- glxgears 13268 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2653.600 FPS  -- Does this suck??
[01:41] <dhonn> no its pretty good
[01:42] <dhonn> i get only 600
[01:42] <nxterra> minimized 6K
[01:42] <queuetue> crimsun, They shoud just create an italian translation of a readme for us or something ... the quiet leaves me wanting.:)
[01:42] <thoreauputic> nxterra: that looks rather impressive to me...
[01:42] <queuetue> crimsun, Yu think there's flux coming in hoary, or flux in the breexy branch?
[01:43] <nxterra> thoreauputic, really--I dont know much about it--in fact I dont play games...rather gnome seems a little bit laggy...any suggestions
[01:43] <Pluk> nxterra, thats decent on a 5200
[01:43] <stas> is there a 'Recycle Bin' here?
[01:43] <djm62> you give people gnome 2.10 ahead of all the other distros...they want fluxbox :-/
[01:43] <zerokarmaleft> this month's ubuntu calendar is a refreshing deviation
[01:43] <queuetue> nxterra, Your glxgears run looks better than mine:
[01:43] <thoreauputic> nxterra: well, my solution is to use fluxbox, but that isn't what you wanted to hear :)
[01:43] <queuetue> nxterra, Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but
[01:43] <queuetue> this library is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel
[01:43] <queuetue> module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version.
[01:43] <queuetue> Segmentation fault
[01:44] <DazeD|> nxterra, fluxbox owns hard
[01:44] <nxterra> thoreauputic, no I can live with the lag...I tried it and I could'nt get use to it
[01:44] <queuetue> THat's new ... looks like I have stuff to update after all. :)
[01:44] <crimsun> queuetue: breezy.
[01:44] <Tyche> When I add a new repository in hoary, does it show the custom ones?
[01:44] <djm62> nxterra: use a light gtk-engine, if it is just a cpu/mem issue
[01:44] <DazeD|> is 1159.800 fps good?
[01:45] <queuetue> djm62, How do you know what's a "light" engine?
[01:45] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, OK!
[01:45] <odyssey> zerokarmaleft, it looks crap
[01:45] <nxterra> djm62, using clearlooks milk with milk 2.0 mcity
[01:45] <crimsun> djm62: if fluxbox 0.9.12 doesn't enter Sid soon, I'll work with D upstream and try to generate a -0ubuntu1
[01:45] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, I was typing what I thought was a pipe and it was an L on the desktop
[01:45] <stas> hi
[01:45] <whiteknight> does anyone know where the ndiswrapper howto has gone to? can only find an italian version :)
[01:45] <zerokarmaleft> odyssey, eh you just want naked people :)
[01:45] <stas> what does this error message mean?
[01:45] <stas> checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h d oes not exist.
[01:45] <stas> Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[01:45] <stas> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[01:45] <stas> sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
[01:45] <stas> stas@spitfire:~/devices/realtek/alsa-driver-1.0.4$
[01:45] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, seems to have done 4 lines of "force state"
[01:45] <odyssey> zerokarmaleft, no i want something colourful
[01:45] <djm62> femv: ok?
[01:45] <stas> I was trying to install audio drivers
[01:45] <crimsun> stas: why are you doing that?
[01:46] <DazeD|> crimsun just build ur own 9.12
[01:46] <DazeD|> i did
[01:46] <stas> and the readme.txt said to ./configure
[01:46] <Reblended-log> whiteknight, (no worries... I got ndis to work)  where do I go to change the settings on the wireless adaptor?
[01:46] <Reblended-log> put the wep key in, etc
[01:46] <zerokarmaleft> Reblended-log, iwconfig
[01:46] <Reblended-log> thx zerokarmaleft
[01:46] <femv> djm62, no luck.... my problem is that im having this error msg at boot : pcmcia socket0 unnable to apply power...
[01:46] <crimsun> DazeD|: no, I'd maintain the Ubuntu version. I'm far more interested in making it available in breezy/universe.
[01:47] <crazyhorsetwo25> can anyone tell me how to setup a vpn???
[01:47] <DazeD|> crimsun, ohh ok gotcah...u know by the time breezy is out 9.13 should be out
[01:47] <crimsun> stas: what's wrong with the sound drivers in default Hoary?
[01:47] <Reblended-log> zerokarmaleft, I type this in terminal?
[01:47] <crimsun> DazeD|: of course
[01:47] <stas> they don't work at all
[01:47] <backslash83> i understood a thing: what prevents me to open gnome is gconf2...now i'm supposed to undersand how to fix....can anyone help?
[01:47] <stas> I have onboard sound with my MSI K8N Neo Platinum
[01:47] <backslash83> gconf2 is stalling /thats the prob)
[01:48] <crimsun> stas: and cat /proc/asound/cards tells you...?
[01:48] <zerokarmaleft> Reblended-log, yes...sudo iwconfig wlan0
[01:48] <femv> djm62, it does appear a lot of times before starting ubuntu...
[01:48] <DazeD|> whats a good place for gkrellm themes
[01:48] <DazeD|> besides main site
[01:48] <crimsun> freshmeat.net?
[01:48] <djm62> ah...that's lower-level than starting pcmcia services
[01:49] <stas> 0 [CK8S           ] : NFORCE - NVidia CK8S
[01:49] <stas>                      NVidia CK8S with ALC850 at 0xeb001000, irq 23
[01:49] <DazeD|> they have em there
[01:49] <DazeD|> good good
[01:49] <stas> :$ that looks right
[01:49] <nxterra> no matter what theme I use when open up a window and move it around the CPU util. jumps to 70%-100% and does'nt refresh very fast
[01:49] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, sorry got major lag (from my wireless card)
[01:49] <stas> but the spdif out no worky
[01:49] <crimsun> stas: paste the output of amixer to pastebin.com
[01:49] <whiteknight> Reblended-log, i think you should also be abe to use the gnome network config
[01:49] <crimsun> stas: don't try to compile sound drivers. You would have ended up with an older, broken version.
[01:49] <stas> ok hold on
[01:49] <nxterra> I googled until I cant good anymore
[01:49] <stas> :$ really they're dated 25 march 2005...
[01:50] <stas> I thought that was fairly recent
[01:50] <nxterra> is this normal for gnome?
[01:50] <DazeD||laptop> gnome-net admin tool is great
[01:50] <femv> djm62, any idea ?
[01:51] <crimsun> stas: 1.0.4 is very old, over one year old
[01:51] <shinzui> i'm having a problem  installing ubuntu on one of my machines, i appreciate any help
[01:51] <djm62> femv: um...google the specific error message, maybe adjust the order of module loading, but that's a new one on me, I'm afraid
[01:51] <dazed> problem shinzui
[01:52] <djm62> google the error message along with your model of machine...someone has probably met this ;)
[01:52] <shinzui> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7213
[01:53] <shinzui> i've been making install cds evey week, and can't seem to get the installer to work
[01:53] <stas> ok
[01:53] <stas> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/270971
[01:54] <kangpeh> hey
[01:54] <kangpeh> i have a serious problem
[01:54] <kangpeh> after installing KDE - and the gtk2-for-qt thing - and baghira theme for kde...
[01:54] <kangpeh> i tried going back to gnome
[01:54] <crimsun> stas: and which alsa device are you using?
[01:55] <kangpeh> now gnome won't start, i see gnome-panel trying to start and it just goes 'boom' boom boom - but it wont start and im pretty sure it is gnome-panel thats breakin :(
[01:55] <propagandhi> shinzui: what exactly do u mean by the installer not working?
[01:55] <dazed> anyone run irssi in here?
[01:55] <stas> Cred,  how will I know?
[01:55] <stas> crimsun,   how will I know?
[01:55] <shinzui> if u look at the bug report that i linked, it has the details
[01:55] <shinzui> where it get stuck
[01:56] <Cuga> These nvidia problems im having are really starting to annoy me :(... I figured i'd have less headaches comming from an ATI card but i guess not ...
[01:56] <shinzui> i am wondering if there's a workaround
[01:56] <Cuga> Can anybody with a 6600GT help me get this working?
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> Cuga: it should work fine
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> what is the problem exactly
[01:57] <dazed> does anyone run irssi via term?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> kangpeh: have a look at ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/X*  logs
[01:57] <Cuga> HrdwrBoB: everything seems to install fine, i use the nvidia-glx driver from ubuntus archives and no errors show up in any logs, xorg or kernel
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> dazed: yes
[01:57] <Cuga> HrdwrBoB: i can start X fine, logo comes up
[01:57] <Cuga> HrdwrBoB: but after about 5 secs of using any GL app, system hangs
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> ok yep
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> ouch
[01:57] <Cuga> and monitor shuts right off
[01:58] <dazed> HrdwrBoB: is there a way to get rid of the blue bars or just make them invisible like the rest of  the term?
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> dazed: http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> (yes)
[01:58] <Cuga> HrdwrBoB: any ideas what I could try?
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> I can't remember offhand, but the doco isn't too bad
[01:58] <Cuga> HrdwrBoB: i've been all over google and forums
[01:58] <dazed> HrdwrBoB: i looked there can u atleast tell me what itd be under?
[01:59] <marcin_ant> whoooa ubuntulinux has new layout
[01:59] <kangpeh> im having some serious issues right now if someone could help -- i have just installed KDE, gtk2-for-qt thing, baghira theme, and so forth... i tried going back to gdm/gnome and when i did - while it was 'logging in' it started making the sound i set for the error noise... i went in tried changing the theme and then it crashed.  i couldn't do anything so i did contrl+alt+backspace - and then tried again - this time i couldnt even log in
[01:59] <kangpeh>  period.  I am kind of at a deadend... and rght now im in kde but would like to get gnome working again ;)  If anyone knows of this situation, holler ;)
[01:59] <marcin_ant> and they paid 1000 bucks for something like this?
[01:59] <stas> how do I know which alsa device I am using?
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> dazed: http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO
[01:59] <blizah> whereis the ati control panel located?
[01:59] <rijad> hey
[01:59] <crimsun> stas: if you're not explicitly specifying anything, then you're not using the spdif output.
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> Cuga: what chipset on the motherboard
[02:00] <rijad> what does this mean; W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[02:00] <crimsun> stas: for instance, pkill esd and try aplay -Dplug:iec958 foow.va
[02:00] <dazed> HrdwrBoB: grr thats exactly where i was lookin lol i must be missing over it oh well thanks man~
[02:00] <crimsun> stas: foo.wav, rather
[02:00] <stas> ok hold on
[02:00] <stas> I only have mp3s handy
[02:01] <blizah> anyone know where fglrx-control (the ati control panel) is locatd?
[02:01] <stas> I installed that mad streamer thing though
[02:01] <paxmaster> hello there i am trying to configuring a dns server and which file should i add $TTL and SOA
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> dazed: no problem :)
[02:01] <paxmaster> the problem is i am reading a howto base on redhat
[02:02] <rijad> asnyone?
[02:02] <crimsun> paxmaster: into your zone's zonefile
[02:03] <crimsun> rijad: what were you trying to do?
[02:03] <paxmaster> which file example named.conf.option or named.conf.local
[02:03] <stas> ok
[02:03] <stas> aplay -Dplug:iec958 worked perfectly
[02:03] <paxmaster> cause i don't have /var/named
[02:03] <rijad> download the package files
[02:04] <stas> can I make that iec958 thing my default to play soundL
[02:04] <stas> ?
[02:04] <rijad> package-list
[02:04] <crimsun> stas: only if you use alsa directly. You'll have to create an ~/.asoundrc and redefine pcm.!default.
[02:04] <stas> how do I do that? :|
[02:04] <agabus> could someone please help me setting up my compiler so its optimizes for my processor?
[02:05] <jazon> how do i view my boot log?
[02:05] <Reblended> where do I find the gui for the wireless network settings?
[02:05] <thoreauputic> jazon: dmesg ?
[02:05] <stas> crimsun, how do I do that?
[02:06] <bily> I'm unable to install winetools... can someone help me please?
[02:06] <rijad> :( blaa
[02:06] <jazon> thoreauputic, nope, thats not what i am looking for.  I want to view everything that was displayed on the screen from Uncompressing Kernel...... forwards - I have an error and I need to know what it exactly says
[02:06] <dazed> HrdwrBoB: i cant get the topic bar to go away
[02:06] <dazed> i set it to inactive
[02:07] <dazed> HrdwrBoB: i got the window bar to go away but the topic bar will not go
[02:08] <dottedquad> what
[02:08] <Tinamoo> I installed ubuntu 5.04, but it stops at login screen and won't go further. is this a bug??
[02:08] <dottedquad> what's the command to see what is mounted?
[02:08] <Reblended> dazed, any idea where I can edit the wlan settings? I can iwconfig, but I"m not sure how to edit the settings... is there a program I can run?
[02:09] <dazed> reblended network-admin from your gnome system menu
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> dazed: just run /set
[02:09] <Reblended> dazed, hmm. I don't see wlan listed...
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> and check all the settings
[02:10] <dazed> Reblended: let me get onto gnome cuz im on fluxbox and everythings my own menu 1 sec
[02:10] <Reblended> thx dazed
[02:10] <dazed> ohhh
[02:10] <dazed> Reblended: you dont see wlan listed?
[02:10] <dazed> at all?
[02:10] <Reblended> I do if I sudo iwconfig wlan0 dazed
[02:11] <crimsun> stas: look at alsa.opensrc.org
[02:11] <shinzui> asking one more time, does anyone know of any workaround for  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7213  so i can install ubuntu on my new desktop machine
[02:11] <crimsun> stas: if you have further questions, ping me in here.
[02:11] <dazed> Reblended: hmmm let me boot my laptop into ubu and well troubleshoot
[02:11] <Reblended> dazed, oh, wow, ty !
[02:11] <dazed> Reblended: i remember i had a time with this...cuz the person that was working with me kept forgettin a small step and id have to go back and start over haha
[02:12] <dottedquad> nvm i figured it out
[02:12] <Cuga> HrdwrBoB: Can you think of anything for me to look at to fix my nvidia hanggin issue?
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> Cuga: have you tried using the nvidia agp not agpgart?
[02:13] <Reblended> lol dazed
[02:13] <no0tic> has linux problems with > 4GB files?
[02:13] <Reblended> dazed, Found it!
[02:13] <Reblended> man, there's like too many network programs dazed
[02:14] <Reblended> sry to have you boot up... dazed
[02:14] <thoreauputic> no0tic: no - ext2 used to I think, but AFAIK ext3 is OK
[02:15] <dazed> Reblended: what was going on?
[02:15] <dazed> lol i just got on
[02:15] <no0tic> thoreauputic: I created a backup tar of about 4,3 GB and keeps appearing & disappearing into nautilus
[02:15] <dazed> connecting to irc as we speak
[02:15] <no0tic> thoreauputic: no problems with bash
[02:15] <dazed> Reblended: no prob i like being on ubu better than windows anyway
[02:15] <Reblended> dazed, I wasn't running the right network program... Setting wep now!
[02:15] <Reblended> lol dazed
[02:15] <no0tic> thoreauputic: how can I feed mkisofs with this file? it rejects it without options
[02:16] <thoreauputic> no0tic: more likely a problem with nautilus, sounds like
[02:16] <dazed> thoreauputic: u use irssi correct?
[02:16] <jazon> does anyone know how i can view my boot log?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> dazed: sometimes - xchat at the moment, but yes I use irssi too
[02:17] <thoreauputic> no0tic: I don't know why mkisofs rejects your file, sorry
[02:17] <dazed> thoreauputic: well i tried to get rid of this topic bare (the blue one atop) i got the one at the bottom gone but the top one wont go any ideas?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> dazed. not off the top of my head - have you looked at the themes on irssi.org ? some of them don't have the bars
[02:18] <thoreauputic> dazed, you might want to play with a few themes
[02:18] <dazed||lap> thoreauputic, do themes work when runnin in a term?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> dazed||lap: of course :)
[02:19] <thoreauputic> dazed||lap: they aren't GUI themes - just colour schemes etc
[02:19] <dazed||lap> thoreauputic, thats neat i didnt know thought it was only for gui version thanks for info :)
[02:19] <dazed||lap> gotcah
[02:20] <dazed||lap> good to know
[02:20] <thoreauputic> dazed||lap: there are lots of them - and screen shots
[02:20] <Reblended> dazed, agreed.. much better.. I just have to know the right commands that are obvious to old users...
[02:20] <Reblended> dazed, for instance.. I was like, I use DHCP... uhh, oh! there is the option lol
[02:20] <dazed||lap> thoreauputic, i see i see
[02:20] <dazed||lap> Reblended, i know how it is lol :)
[02:20] <no0tic> how can I create a file large as a dvd image to create into it an ext3 fs?
[02:21] <Reblended> dazed||lap, says active now.. hmm can't get on the net?
[02:21] <dazed||lap> ...
[02:21] <dazed||lap> hmm
[02:21] <dazed||lap> are u seeing activity in ur net monitors?
[02:21] <Reblended> dazed||lap, wlan0 is the default gateway
[02:21] <Reblended> I think it's just the loopback
[02:22] <Reblended> no new icons tho in the tray
[02:22] <dazed||lap> hmmm...
[02:22] <Reblended> it has activated, good sign
[02:23] <kangpeh> ok i fixed my problem.
[02:23] <dazed||lap> u have netid correct...i assume ur using wepkey and thats correct too and ur using DHCP right?
[02:23] <kangpeh> gtk2 qt engine has some kind of a problem
[02:23] <Reblended> wep dhcp, I try to ping the router, nothing, dazed||lap
[02:24] <Reblended> dazed||lap ping 192.168.1.1 nada
[02:24] <dazed||lap> hmm when i got to your point i was working....i assume your in a dead spot you close to the router?
[02:24] <Reblended> dazed||lap I'm in a spot that has perfect connectivity...
[02:24] <Reblended> dazed||lap  in netstat: active net services.. tcp 127.0.0.1  uhh
[02:25] <dazed||lap> thats highly awkward
[02:25] <dazed||lap> ....
[02:25] <Reblended> I gotta get rid of the loopback?
[02:25] <dazed||lap> thats not righ
[02:25] <dazed||lap> yeah
[02:25] <dazed||lap> that did happent o me
[02:25] <dazed||lap> try trestarting ur network controllers
[02:26] <Reblended> dazed||lap ohh, in the devices tab, there is loopback or eth0.. not wlan0
[02:26] <dazed||lap> yeah that happens
[02:26] <dazed||lap> restart
[02:26] <dazed||lap> ur network controllers
[02:26] <Reblended> dazed||lap how. =p
[02:27] <dazed||lap> ur on livecd arent u
[02:27] <dazed||lap> i forgot...
[02:27] <Reblended> wlan0 shows up in the network settings... but  dazed||lap   yes
[02:27] <Reblended> can't restart dazed||lap  =] 
[02:27] <dazed||lap> theres an init.d command but i forget it maybe someone in here knows
[02:27] <Reblended> init.d without restarting? dazed||lap
[02:28] <Huey> is there a way to switch the default configuration of gnome so that i can Alt+Right_Click to resize a window instead of Alt+Middle_Click?
[02:28] <dazed||lap> try typing in wlan0 into the devices tab
[02:28] <dazed||lap> and see if it picks it up
[02:28] <Reblended> dazed||lap hmm. let me see where you mean
[02:29] <Reblended> I don't need to create a location, do I? dazed||lap
[02:29] <dazed||lap> Reblended, do u see netmonitors in ur systray
[02:29] <dazed||lap> no
[02:29] <Reblended> yep.. first thing to load, I think from the moment the gui booted dazed||lap
[02:30] <dazed||lap> ok right click those click properties
[02:30] <dazed||lap> where it says eth0 or lo type in wlan0 and see what goes on
[02:30] <gpled> anyone seen docs on how to get your sound card working?
[02:30] <dazed||lap> to tell u the truth i think all ur lacking is a reboot :(
[02:31] <gpled> i have gotten some info from knopix.  sound works there.
[02:31] <Reblended> dazed||lap  100% signal strength...
[02:31] <Reblended> dazed||lap lemme see if I can ping
[02:31] <dazed||lap> it always says that
[02:31] <dazed||lap> that just means its connected
[02:31] <crimsun> gpled: need the output of the following on pastebin.com: lsmod, lspci -v, cat /proc/asound/cards, amixer
[02:32] <Reblended> dazed||lap lol ok... network is unreachable
[02:32] <dazed||lap> Reblended, are u seeing activity or is it just idle
[02:32] <Reblended> dazed||lap I typed in wlan0  idle
[02:32] <Reblended> dazed||lap I want a pseudo reboot =p
[02:32] <dazed||lap> that means its not getting any connectivity...that just requires restart im pretty sure :/
[02:32] <Reblended> lol ok
[02:32] <dazed||lap> it needs to configure what u had done
[02:33] <Reblended> IC dazed||lap shouldn't I tell it to do that in the terminal window?
[02:33] <Reblended> dazed||lap refresh adaptors without restart?
[02:33] <Reblended> you don't think that the loopback is messing things up? dazed||lap
[02:34] <dazed||lap> Reblended, i dont think the loopback is doing it....but i couldnt be 100% on that since i have yet to run into ur prob
[02:34] <Reblended> do you have loopback on? does it need to be on? dazed||lap
[02:35] <kennix> how do i run the xorg configure thing again?
[02:35] <gpled> crimsun: isapnp cs4235 codec:ws/sb driver ad1848  (it is not pci)  mods are cs4232 ad1848 sound and soundcore
[02:35] <dazed||lap> Reblended, i have it on my controllers list but i dont blieve its on
[02:35] <kangpeh> My X-Chat is now using KONQUEROR to open webpages :( - how do i set it back to using mozilla firefox??
[02:36] <crimsun> gpled: so you're using the oss/free driver
[02:36] <SuperLag> kangpeh: set it in your preferences
[02:36] <Reblended> change your default programs  (preferred)  kangpeh
[02:36] <kangpeh> my default programs is set to firefox already
[02:36] <crimsun> gpled: I'm only familiar with the alsa ones, which are snd-cs4236 (preferred) and snd-cs4232
[02:36] <kangpeh> (system->preferences->preferred applications)
[02:36] <Reblended> preferred aplications program  kangpeh
[02:37] <kangpeh> reblended
[02:37] <kangpeh> i jus tsaid i already did that
[02:37] <kangpeh> (system->preferences->preferred applications) <---
[02:37] <vessuvius81> how can I see what ip address one of my network interfaces has?
[02:38] <kangpeh>  :/
[02:39] <gpled> crimsun: those are the ones knoppix uses.  it is strange that ubuntu does not look at dmesg to get this info
[02:39] <Reblended> dazed||lap well, time to eat.. thx for all the hand holding
[02:39] <dottedquad> i did cdrecord -scanbus and on the first line it says 0,0,0 0) '' '' '' Disk and all the rest have * at the end.  Does this mean that it found a cdrom or my burner?
[02:40] <dottedquad> i'm trying to burn ubuntu to a cd using cdrecorder so i can install it
[02:40] <Reblended> much better to get BURNatOnce, dottedquad
[02:40] <dottedquad> ok
[02:40] <Reblended> very EZ  dottedquad =] 
[02:40] <dottedquad> well i don't have a GIU
[02:40] <dazed||lap> Reblended, sorry i cant get it to workbetter but i think a restart will do it
[02:40] <dottedquad> GUI
[02:40] <Reblended> and free I think
[02:40] <kangpeh> so nobody know how to reset the x-chat browser default heh
[02:41] <Reblended> lol on live? dazed||lap
[02:41] <dazed||lap> Reblended, lol i know
[02:41] <crimsun> gpled: that's because that's a nasty method of pulling information
[02:41] <dazed||lap> once u install u know what ur in for :)
[02:41] <Reblended> dazed||lap yes.. great practice for me.. Thx again
[02:41] <dottedquad> Reblended is it gui based?
[02:41] <Reblended> all things are this fun? dazed||lap
[02:42] <Reblended> dottedquad, it's win based
[02:42] <dazed||lap> if not more!!!
[02:42] <dottedquad> ahh
[02:42] <Reblended> dazed||lap ROFL
[02:42] <dazed||lap> :)
[02:42] <Reblended> dazed||lap well eat time.. thx.. bye now
[02:42] <dazed||lap> np have fun
[02:42] <dottedquad> i don't have a GUI cause i can't get my damn ATI card to work
[02:42] <gpled> crimsun: going to reboot to clear all the modprobes i have been doing
[02:43] <Mellar> Jesterace_: In Flames?
[02:43] <dottedquad> so can anyone help me out to get cdrecord to work?
[02:43] <vessuvius81> yay! I finally got wireless working
[02:44] <Jesterace_> Mellar: yep
[02:44] <crimsun> (Subterranean or Whoracle all the way)
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[02:44] <Mellar> Jesterace_: not bad for some Canadian dude ;)
[02:45] <stas> crimsun
[02:45] <dhonn> hey what is the recommended display resolution for Ubuntu
[02:45] <crimsun> dhonn: that depends on your display device
[02:46] <crimsun> dhonn: and of course what you prefer
[02:46] <crimsun> stas: yes?
[02:46] <frank> where are the files for the menus in gnome stored?
[02:46] <crimsun> frank: /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[02:47] <crimsun> frank: /usr/share/pixmaps/*  for the icons, usually
[02:47] <kevman> How do I install Java support?
[02:47] <dhonn> of course but what is ubuntu designed for?  1024x768 looks like its 640x480 in windows
[02:47] <frank> crimsun: thanks. menu-editor is still buggy
[02:48] <crimsun> dhonn: ubuntu isn't designed for any particular Mode
[02:48] <turboliv> hi all
[02:48] <turboliv> some french here ?
[02:48] <turboliv> i have some problem of refresh rate for my screen and need help/tips
[02:48] <PacoBCN> no, but I love croissants
[02:48] <kevman> Woo, it was installed :P
[02:48] <revelater> hey, xmule just crashed on me, how do i kill it?
[02:48] <dhonn> probably looks great in 1600x1200?
[02:49] <PacoBCN> revelater you can try with killall xmule
[02:49] <gpled> crimsun: where did you want me to paste output?
[02:49] <dazed> revelater: get a pid list (ps auwx) aand find the pid and kill <pid>
[02:49] <crimsun> gpled: pastebin.com
[02:49] <PacoBCN> revelater, if not you can type "top" so you see the process id and kill that
[02:49] <lucychili> croissants are nice
[02:49] <revelater> i got it, thanks
[02:49] <PacoBCN> revelater, or with the gui :)
[02:49] <turboliv> my screen in windows system supports 1024/768 @75 hz (perhaps 72)
[02:50] <PacoBCN> Last time I was in Marseille I ate 10 croissants a day
[02:50] <turboliv> but with ubuntu only 60 hz
[02:50] <turboliv> my poor eyes :'(
[02:50] <turboliv> any tip ?
[02:50] <frank> turbolive: you have to modify your xorg.conf
[02:50] <holycow> and add the correct horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your monito
[02:50] <holycow> r
[02:51] <holycow> you can usuallygoogle your model and make and the v and h refresh rates
[02:51] <turboliv> i'm noob on linux (my first day)
[02:51] <holycow> thats what determines possible refresh rates
[02:51] <turboliv> how to do ?
[02:51] <gpled> crimsun: here is lsmod http://pastebin.com/270993
[02:51] <holycow> well, first google your monitor model and make, and find the correct vertical and horizontal refresh rates
[02:52] <dantheman> holycow: i was on asking questions yesterday about dual-boot....i actually pulled it off today
[02:52] <Anubis> nicotine keeps crashing
[02:52] <gpled> crimsun: what other info did you want to see?
[02:52] <stas> how do I install a program
[02:53] <stas> I downloaded a .deb package of it
[02:53] <PacoBCN> stas, you should check the guide
[02:53] <DazeD|> how do i auto register my nick upon connect?
[02:53] <holycow> dantheman, no kidding? congratulations :)
[02:53] <dantheman> does someone know of a good guide to installing the nvidia graphics driver?
[02:53] <crimsun> gpled: lspnp -v
[02:53] <holycow> dantheman, how did you do it?
[02:53] <PacoBCN> stas, however, it's "sudo dpkg -i pack.deb"
[02:53] <dantheman> well, it was quite a process
[02:53] <crimsun> dantheman: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:53] <holycow> dantheman, easy ... its on the ubuntu guide website
[02:53] <dantheman> that involved about half a pack of cigarettes
[02:53] <dantheman> and a lot of stress
[02:53] <dantheman> thanks
[02:53] <PacoBCN> stas, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:53] <CygnusX1> Anyone know why 5.04 might be unable to install due to inability to load various IDE modules?  ISO checksum is good, CD file checksum is good.
[02:53] <dantheman> when i put in the new hard drive, and installed ubuntu on it, i just wrote grub over ntldr
[02:53] <PacoBCN> dantheman, no idea
[02:53] <vessuvius81> hmmm  on my wireless, I can see the access point, can get addresses resolved with nslookup, but I can't get a web page to load?  Any ideas?
[02:53] <PacoBCN> :(
[02:53] <dantheman> and for some reason grub would crap out
[02:54] <dantheman> error 21
[02:54] <dantheman> and i fiddled with some bios settings and rearranged the jumpers on the hard drives until they worked
[02:54] <dantheman> and now i get the grub menu, and everything works fine
[02:54] <dantheman> i'm not sure what the hubbub about a lack of gui installer is...i thought this install was a lot easier than fedora core
[02:55] <vessuvius81> the install is the easiest I've ever had
[02:55] <dantheman> yeah, it was ridiculously easy....it just did everything for me
[02:55] <dantheman> i just had to tell it to install on my other hard drive
[02:56] <holycow> yeah error21 usually means it cant find the partition, usually  you just haveto point it to the right partition
[02:56] <holycow> dantheman, the thing about this graphical installer is that it works on 11 architectures
[02:56] <holycow> in other words, it's superior :)
[02:56] <holycow> its justnot lickable
[02:56] <dantheman> i don't need lickables...i need something that works
[02:57] <dantheman> fedora let me kill windows xp without even asking me
[02:57] <gpled> crimsun: look like i do not have lspnp.  how can i get it?
[02:57] <jadoob> anybody know what to do if you lock yourself out of the sudoers file?
[02:58] <hypno> reboot into single user mode and fix it, assuming you dont have the root password
[02:59] <jadoob> alright, yeah got rid of the root password but didn't realize the sudoers file wasn't right
[02:59] <hypno> ut oh :)
[02:59] <jadoob> is there any real reason to use sudo rather than just su to root?
[02:59] <dantheman> well, i'm gonna go for now and pray that nvidia works well
[02:59] <stas> ok new problem
[03:00] <stas> dpkg: error processing cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb (--install):
[03:00] <stas>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[03:00] <stas> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:00] <stas>  cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb
[03:00] <vessuvius81> wooo wireless works
[03:00] <vessuvius81> thank god
[03:00] <hypno> For when several people need root access to a machine, yes, it means you dont need to give out the root password. For when you're the only user, not so sure.
[03:00] <propagandhi> stas: is the machine i386 or AMD
[03:00] <gpled> anyone know how to get lspnp?
 wooo wireless works < how did you make it work, my friend had some problems with wifi
[03:00] <dazed> dfa
[03:00] <crimsun> gpled: you need to install pcmcia-cs
[03:01] <gpled> crimsun: k
[03:03] <dantheman> the Menu Editor isn't in Applications->System Tools
[03:03] <dantheman> anybody know where i might find it?
[03:04] <Quest-Master> danthemam: http://www.ubuntuforums.org <-- under third-party projects
[03:04] <Quest-Master> *dantheman
[03:05] <dottedquad> alright here's the problem i did mount /dev/hdd /mnt/burner with a cd that has 'stuff' on it and it mounted correctly so i unmounted it and popped in a blank cd and did the same command but i got an I/0 error.  I'm guessing that's because there's nothing on the cd?
[03:05] <dottedquad> the reason why i'm trying to mount the blank cd is to use cdrecorder to burn the ubuntu iso to a blank cd.. or shouldn't i do this?
[03:06] <dottedquad> i tried doing cdrecord -scanbus to see where my burner is and it didn't find it, so now i'm stuck and have no clue what todo
[03:06] <vessuvius81> use gnomebaker instead
[03:06] <vessuvius81> the default cd burner is messed
[03:06] <dantheman> i've downloaded a .deb package...how do i use it?
[03:06] <Agrajag> .deb for what?
[03:07] <dantheman> gnome menu editor
[03:07] <vessuvius81> sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[03:07] <Agrajag> oh
[03:07] <Agrajag> what he said
[03:07] <dantheman> alrighty...thanks
[03:07] <vessuvius81> in the directory where its located of course
[03:07] <dottedquad> is dnomebaker gui?
[03:07] <dantheman> right
[03:07] <dottedquad> gnomebaker*
[03:07] <thoreauputic> dottedquad: yes
[03:08] <vessuvius81> yeah dottedquad
[03:08] <EricNeon> morning all~
[03:08] <thoreauputic> dottedquad: it's quite nice
[03:08] <nomasteryoda> EricNeon: evening here... greetings
[03:08] <dottedquad> well the problem is i'm without a GIU
[03:08] <dottedquad> GUI*
[03:08] <dottedquad> cause i can't get my damn ATI card to install
[03:08] <Flour> Hi. A lot of packages in dpkg -l are marked 'rc'. How can I remove all of these packages entirely? I tried to dpkg -P -a, but none of the packages I wanted to remove are being purged.
[03:09] <Flour> If possible I'd like to avoid doing it all by hand.
[03:09] <EricNeon> nomasteryoda, here is shanghai 8 
[03:10] <Maxxist> well I followed the binary driver install how to.  and still cant get my nvidia drivers to go.  and now X is broken.  lol
[03:10] <thoreauputic> dottedquad: you don't mount a blank CD - it doesn't have a file system on it to mount :)
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> EricNeon: nice
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> 8 am tomorrow
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> cool
[03:10] <EricNeon> hah~
[03:11] <CygnusX1> During install of 5.04: Missing module 'ide-mod' ide-probe-mod ide-detect and ide-floppy. Anyone? ISO is good, CD filechecksums are good.
[03:12] <Cuga> Maxxist: what kind of nvidia card you have? im having a problem with mine aswell, i have a 6600GT
[03:14] <bogus> my 6600gt (pci-e) worked fine with the binary driver howto
[03:14] <stas> propagandhi, it's an amd64 machine
[03:14] <bogus> as well as my gf 440 go
[03:14] <Cuga> on hoary?
[03:14] <propagandhi> then the package u have isnt suited to it
[03:15] <bogus> yep both on hoary
[03:15] <stas> I thought amd64 could use run x86 code
[03:15] <bogus> fresh install btw
[03:15] <gpled> crimsun: lspnp -v gets:  lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available
[03:15] <bogus> what error do you get?
[03:15] <propagandhi> stas:u need one for your architecture - perhaps the amd64 could execute x86 code, but clearly it cant use that package
[03:16] <Cuga> bogus, where is the howto you are refering too, i just followed the readme from nvidias site
[03:16] <Maxxist> I am getting a FATAL: Module nvidia not found.  when I do a modprobe nvidia.  and apt says its installed.
[03:16] <bogus> owh don't follow the nvidia readme :)
[03:16] <bogus> one sec
[03:16] <stas> that's kind of silly
[03:16] <Maxxist> omg
[03:16] <Cuga> bogus, well from what i did, it installs fine, no errors anywhere, using nvagp, whenever i start gl apps they work great for about 5 secs then hang system
[03:16] <stas> isn't amd64 just a superset of i386?
[03:17] <bogus> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[03:17] <Maxxist> someone told me last night to follow that binary driver install howto from wiki
[03:17] <stas> I mean under windows, I have no problems installing 32-bit software
[03:17] <Maxxist> it dont work for me.
[03:18] <Maxxist> I have done manual installs of the nvidia driver in FC many a time without problems like this.
[03:18] <propagandhi> stas: that may be true, but it seems pretty clear that particular package wont work
[03:19] <stas> I thought there might be a flag or something I could use to make it pretend that it fits
[03:20] <Cuga> bogus, so you are using the 7174 drivers?
[03:20] <stas> does this mean my system can't install i386 software?
[03:21] <csete> Hello.  I'm getting a seg fault trying to run vncserver on 5.04.  (AMD64)  Any suggestions?
[03:24] <kro> I'm trying to use netboot images to do a server only install of ubuntu similar to what is done when you type "server" at the cdrom boot prompt, how would I do that?
[03:24] <kro> How do I pass the "server" option?
[03:25] <kro> I'm doing everything fully automated.
[03:25] <ntoskrnl> hi
[03:26] <propagandhi> whats the fastest form of internet currently available anywhere in the world??
[03:26] <ntoskrnl> 100 MB
[03:26] <virtuald> heh
[03:26] <ntoskrnl> in my company
[03:26] <virtuald> 1000
[03:26] <propagandhi> whats it called?
[03:26] <virtuald> for private customers
[03:27] <virtuald> gigabit ethernet
[03:27] <ntoskrnl> its called "KASL"
[03:27] <propagandhi> thats ethernet
[03:27] <propagandhi> i mean internet
[03:27] <ntoskrnl> means "Kick Ass Subscriber Line"
[03:27] <virtuald> www.bredband2.com
[03:27] <Cuga> One of my remote offices has a A-10 (10 mb burstable) pretty damn fast
[03:28] <ntoskrnl> guys , what do you use to partition your harddisk?
[03:28] <ntoskrnl> Cuga : i feel it
[03:28] <propagandhi> Cuga: how do u get it, whats it called - who provides??
[03:28] <Cuga> Allstream is our provider (they are like the provider for providers)
[03:29] <Cuga> its called A-10
[03:29] <Cuga> i think they go higher too
[03:29] <Maxxist> ahh damn.  I needed to download new restricted modules based on my smp kernel.  geeezuz.
[03:29] <propagandhi> ok, and is that the fastest type available
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> A10 is a tank buster army plane :)
[03:29] <virtuald> here in swedens theres an isp who offers 1 Gbit/s for about $110/month
[03:30] <ntoskrnl> guys , what do you use to make partitions in your HD ?
[03:30] <Maxxist> i feel sharp as a marble.
[03:30] <Jet2k5> hey guys I got this error, 'Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL which is required for WordPress.' but what package do I need, I thought I had all of them
[03:30] <Cuga> ntoskrnl; try qtparted
[03:30] <propagandhi> virtuald - are u serious??
[03:30] <virtuald> yes
[03:30] <ntoskrnl> Cuga : is it for Windows?
[03:30] <propagandhi> company??
[03:30] <virtuald> bredband2
[03:31] <djpowder> hi, i'm interested in dual booting winxp and ubuntu.  my motherboard/bios are fairly new, so will I have to worry about the 1024 cylinder boundary when creating the /boot partition?
[03:31] <Cuga> ntoskrnl, dont think so, i use it in linux
[03:31] <frank> djpowder: I had no problem
[03:31] <ntoskrnl> yeah , but i need a partitioner for Windows
[03:32] <ntoskrnl> Cuga : cause i don't have to power to partion my HD in Linux installation :P .. i'm afraid to loose all my WinXP Files
[03:32] <Cuga> Partition magic is pretty good if you got it
[03:32] <frank> djpowder I put Ubuntu at the end of my 2nd hard drive
[03:32] <djpowder> frank: thanks i'm gonna give it a shot without repartitioning :)
[03:33] <Maxxist> yeah a nice big nvidia splash screen.
[03:33] <ntoskrnl> Cuga : version 8 ?
[03:33] <holycow> i gotta say i also love the inclusion of open office 2.0 beta in universe
[03:33] <holycow> it's a wee bit crashy but usable none the less
[03:33] <virtuald> propagandhi: but only for people who live in the city of Lund in an appartment owned by HSB :)
[03:33] <Cuga> yeah thats what i use
[03:33] <propagandhi> crazy stuff
[03:33] <ntoskrnl> good
[03:33] <virtuald> 8-] 
[03:34] <Nigelenki> hybernate apparently works
[03:34] <ntoskrnl> Cuga : thank you very much ;)
[03:35] <Cuga> np
[03:35] <ntoskrnl> see ya , bye
[03:35] <dantheman> can someone tell me how to fix firefox so that it doesn't give me the alerts every time i go to encrypted pages and stuff like that?
[03:35] <dantheman> i leave the boxes unchecked, but i keep getting them
[03:37] <dantheman> could it be because i'm changing the settings while i'm not logged in as root?
[03:37] <jason> can anyone help with gok, i can't get it to work
[03:38] <chillywilly> why isn't OOo 1.1.4 in hoary?
[03:38] <chillywilly> it's at 1.1.3
[03:38] <chillywilly> wassup with that?
[03:38] <^thehatsrule^> install it yourself?
[03:38] <chillywilly> it's been out for months
[03:39] <chillywilly> if you install it by hand then you loose all the file asociation bullshit
[03:40] <propagandhi> crazy look at these speeds: http://sitehost.redwheeler.com/network_connectivity_speed.htm
[03:40] <Nigelenki> suspend to ram
[03:40] <Nigelenki> can't find out how
[03:43] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, 1.1.4 came after the new upstream version freeze
[03:43] <dantheman> how do i log in as root?
[03:44] <a_peck> hey all
[03:44] <cowbud> dantheman: sudo su
[03:44] <dantheman> in the terminal?
[03:44] <Burgundavia> dantheman, Ubuntu uses sudo, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:44] <cowbud> yah
[03:45] <dantheman> do any of you know why my application settings might not hold between logins?
[03:46] <dantheman> like my firefox settings about alerts moving to and from encrypted sites
[03:48] <a_peck> dantheman, does it happen with everything or only firefox?
[03:48] <dantheman> it appears as though it's just firefox
[03:49] <dantheman> right now i'm trying to use about:config to see if i can fix it permanently
[03:49] <chillywilly> Burgundavia: will it ever make it into hoary?
[03:50] <chillywilly> what's the repo name for the new development version?
[03:50] <frank> breezy
[03:50] <frank> not much there though
[03:51] <a_peck> dantheman have you checked in your /home/user/.mozilla/firefox if your session (xxxx.default by default) is there?
[03:51] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, no, Hoary is now frozen
[03:51] <chillywilly> oh well I like to live dangerously
[03:51] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, only security fixes are going into hoary
[03:51] <chillywilly> alrighty
[03:51] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, I would hold off on breezy, as they are about to sync to debian sid
[03:51] <Burgundavia> and that will probably break a lot of things
[03:51] <jr_G-man> okay...i am able to view my raid partition with dmraid, etc.
[03:51] <chillywilly> bah...debian sid ;)
[03:51] <jr_G-man> how to i set it up so that it recognizes it on bootup?
[03:51] <Corai> is there a gui based way to configure samba or do I have to go back to the old vi?
[03:52] <chillywilly> is that they way they have always done it?
[03:52] <jsgotangco> bah what do you want etch?
[03:52] <chillywilly> or are they giving into the pressures of "compatability" ;)
[03:52] <dantheman> a_peck, i have not
[03:52] <dantheman> let me do that
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> asketch
[03:52] <infinito> anyone knows howto show mounted partitions from fstab on desktop???
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[03:52] <chillywilly> Ian Murdock had some not so nice things to say about Ubuntu
[03:53] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, they always sync to debian sid
[03:53] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, so that various patches can flow back and forth
[03:53] <tugalone> i've come to the conclusion that lookupd is evil.
[03:53] <dantheman> a_peck: it's not there
[03:53] <a_peck> hum, dantheman there's your thing then
[03:54] <a_peck> did you try re-installing firefox?
[03:54] <ablyss> infinito, type df in Terminal
[03:54] <dantheman> how do i fix it?
[03:54] <jsgotangco> what do you expect Ian Murdock has interests in Progeny
[03:54] <ablyss> infinito, oh nm.. i see you won them on the Desktop
[03:54] <chillywilly> jsgotangco: he was talking about Debian proper and compatability with Ubuntu
[03:54] <infinito> ablyss, i mean show volume icons on desktop like warty (gnome2.8) did
[03:55] <Al2O3> hello!
[03:55] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, as someone pointed out, some stuff in Debian sid does install on sarge
[03:55] <Al2O3> wow, 492 and counting.
[03:55] <dantheman> a_peck: how do i create a profile for myself in firefox?
[03:55] <chillywilly> Burgundavia: not sure what that has to do with what was said
[03:55] <ablyss> maybe ln -s /home/foobar/mounted_shares/ /home/foobar/Desktop/
[03:55] <Al2O3> I hear the screams about ubuntu being almost anti-debian at this point, why is the debian folks bitching about this when it is good for the exposure of the distro?
[03:56] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, Murdock specifically complained that Ubuntu stuff wasn't installing on Sarge, when in fact Ubuntu syncs to sid
[03:56] <chillywilly> too much politcal crud there
[03:56] <infinito> ablyss, i know symlinking works, but gnome used to show mounted volume icons on desktop, and i really liked that feature
[03:56] <chillywilly> I see
[03:56] <infinito> and don't know why ubuntu hide them
[03:56] <a_peck> dantheman, what does your profile.ini file say in that same directory?
[03:56] <a_peck> dantheman, about sessions of course
[03:56] <dantheman> in /home/user?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> chillywilly: it's a storm in a teacup: even in #debian there are plenty of people now using Ubuntu on the desktop - neither Debian nor Ubuntu wants a holy war
[03:57] <a_peck> dantheman, or profiles
[03:57] <dantheman> the only think i've got in my /home/user directory is a Desktop directory
[03:57] <dantheman> nothing about profiles or sessions
[03:57] <a_peck> dantheman it's a hidden file
[03:57] <ablyss> holy war? lmao.. "my computer can beat up your computer" --- I can see the computer parts flying already
[03:58] <dantheman> how do i see the hidden files?
[03:58] <dantheman> ah, -a
[03:58] <thoreauputic> ablyss: heh - emacs vs vi , KDE vs GNOME , etc - hopefully we've put all that behind us :)
[03:58] <a_peck> ctrl-h in nautilus, or right click show hidden files or -a in console
[03:59] <membreya> quick question guys, is there any way to tell when a cron job last ran?
[03:59] <dantheman> it's got a pathname to a XXXX.default file
[03:59] <geneo93> ablyss:  is that really you
[03:59] <dantheman> which appears to be my profile
[04:00] <ablyss> geneo93, yes I am came back from the dead
[04:00] <geneo93> from beos dead
[04:00] <a_peck> dantheman, delete it, try again. and when you close ubuntu next, check the "save settings" option
[04:00] <idn__> hi, dont suppose you could help me with a n00b question, but what exactly is a kernel header?
[04:00] <ablyss> geneo93, oh a beos fellow.. that be me too
[04:00] <Maxxist> I swear fonts look better in ubuntu than in FC3.  am I right?
[04:00] <dantheman> delete the XXXX.default folder?
[04:01] <membreya> anyone?
[04:01] <dantheman> should i make changes to profiles.ini?
[04:01] <geneo93> i figured as much
[04:01] <geneo93> kane here man
[04:01] <ablyss> lmao
[04:01] <a_peck> geneo93, i saw your violent reaction to mandrake yesterday. did you test the mandriva linux limited 2005?
[04:01] <ablyss> :P
[04:02] <geneo93> a_peck:  yes i have the piece off you know what
[04:02] <a_peck> dantheman, don't need to
[04:02] <dantheman> a_peck: do i delete the *.default directory, and do i need to make a change to profiles.ini to reflect that?
[04:02] <dantheman> alright
[04:02] <ltapd204> anyone know how to install mono with umbunto 5.04 64bit
[04:02] <ablyss> geneo93, man.. now that you are here i will definitely have a harder time restraining myself from blabing on about nothing important
[04:03] <a_peck> geneo93, wanted some feedback, got it :) lol
[04:03] <geneo93> pycube comes here once in a while
[04:04] <dantheman> a_peck: i deleted the .default directory, and now i can't get into gmail
[04:04] <geneo93> a- i changed my ip and loged back in just to see what was said
[04:04] <a_peck> dantheman, what do you mean you can't get into gmail? not at all, or not automatically. the latter would be normal
[04:04] <dantheman> let me get the error message
[04:04] <a_peck> dantheman, i think you'd like to reinstall firefox maybe
[04:05] <ablyss> geneo93, glad to see some friends here.. did you obelix store your identity here? yep he sure did.. had us all rolf
[04:05] <dantheman> oh wait
[04:05] <dantheman> now it works
[04:05] <ablyss> damnt it.. its a curse, its gotta be..
[04:05] <geneo93> haha ok i'm not going to say anymore then
[04:06] <ablyss> :P
[04:06] <a_peck> dantheman, try closing firefox, quit ubuntu and save the session. firefox pops up those "leaving secured site" warning on some upgrades too
[04:07] <dantheman> i think it's all fixed now...i just had to close firefox
[04:10] <Maxxist> is there an archiver for ubuntu that will do rar ?
[04:10] <Agrajag> install rar from multiverse
[04:10] <Maxxist> thank you
[04:10] <ells> anyone have any luck syncing a dell axim with linux
[04:10] <Burgundavia> Maxxist, unrar-nonfree
[04:11] <ablyss> geneo93, you like billards? foobillard is pretty fun
[04:11] <geneo93> well i avoid games that take skill
[04:11] <Burgundavia> geneo93, try kolf
[04:11] <geneo93> i play kolf though
[04:12] <ells> anyone have any luck syncing a dell axim with linux
[04:12] <ablyss> that table tennis game on linux takes a heck of a lot skil
[04:12] <Burgundavia> kolf almost makes me want to install kde
[04:12] <geneo93> kde 3.4 is great
[04:12] <Burgundavia> not really a kde person myself
[04:13] <holycow> would anyone know why open office prints a page basicallynormal, but scaled down to 2/3rds of a page?
[04:13] <geneo93> well i'm not a gnome either
[04:13] <Burgundavia> holycow, have you tested another printer?
[04:14] <holycow> yes, actually same printer works fine when i print from gedit
[04:14] <mkhan> hi i am new to ubuntu and i am doing the update using synaptic
[04:14] <mkhan> i got this message
[04:14] <mkhan> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[04:14] <mkhan> can anybody help me
[04:15] <Burgundavia> mkhan, check your clock
[04:15] <Burgundavia> mkhan, if that is wrong, that error will come up
[04:16] <mkhan> alright
[04:16] <Burgundavia> mkhan, it might be other things, but that is probably the most likely
[04:16] <mkhan> its set correctly to eastern standard time
[04:16] <mkhan> i never got it before
[04:16] <Burgundavia> mkhan, do you dual boot
[04:17] <mkhan> yeah i dual boot
[04:17] <Burgundavia> mkhan, windows might be messing with your time
[04:17] <geneo93> kill windows then fdisk
[04:17] <Burgundavia> geneo93, that is a little extreme
[04:17] <Xore> anyone here familiar with setting up virtualhosts on apache2 ?
[04:17] <mkhan> but the time that i see is correct when i check it with my wrist watch
[04:18] <Burgundavia> mkhan, sync it with ntp
[04:18] <Xore> primarily, what's the difference between sites-available and sites-enabled ?
[04:18] <geneo93> Burgundavia:  not in my eyes
[04:18] <mkhan> how do i do that
[04:18] <Burgundavia> geneo93, I might agree with you, but... nevermind
[04:18] <mkhan> i never got this message before
[04:18] <chad> question--i'm trying to set up dansguardian, squid, and dhcpd3(?) on a machine that's to be used as a firewall--anyone know how to do this?
[04:18] <mkhan> i started getting it recently
[04:18] <Burgundavia> mkhan, this may not be the issue, but whenever I ran into it it was due to time
[04:18] <Burgundavia> mkhan, right click on the clock
[04:19] <Burgundavia> mkhan, choose adjust date and time
[04:19] <mkhan> ok
[04:19] <Burgundavia> mkhan, check "sync with internet servers"
[04:19] <geneo93> chad:  try smoothwall
[04:19] <mkhan> ok i will do that
[04:20] <Paradiossina> is there anybody using pyslsk?
[04:20] <scott> I'm going to buy a wireless card. Should I get Intel b/g 2200 or Atheros a/b/g ?
[04:21] <chad> geneo93: as in a totally separate distribution?  I installed Firestarter and it could see both NICs, but couldn't set up the DHCPd server appropriately...
[04:21] <Burgundavia> scott, I have the dlink 650+. works ootb
[04:22] <Pluk> atheros here, indeed ootb
[04:22] <mkhan> Burgundavia, i tried to sync my time with ntp but it asked me to install it
[04:22] <geneo93> chad:  do you need a complete os for that purpose
[04:22] <Pluk> dlink has atheros chipset too right?
[04:22] <Burgundavia> mkhan, you should install it
[04:22] <mkhan> i did that
[04:22] <Burgundavia> mkhan, ok, now it should work
[04:22] <mkhan> but its again asking me to install it
[04:22] <chad> geneo93: this is for a church, so we're trying to keep costs down (i.e. nonexistent).  ;-)
[04:23] <Burgundavia> mkhan, there is a wierd bug associated with that
[04:23] <Burgundavia> chad, smoothwall is a linux distro specifically designed to be a firewall
[04:23] <mkhan> how do i get around it
[04:23] <geneo93> chad:  smothwall 2 is free
[04:23] <nickoli> chad: i have smoothwall
[04:23] <a_peck> chad, how does a church need a FIREwall??
[04:23] <nickoli> lol
[04:23] <chad> lol
[04:23] <scott> is there any advantage of the atheros over the intel 2200? I don't think I'll be using an a network
[04:23] <chad> chad kicks a_peck  ;-)
[04:24] <a_peck> lol
[04:24] <a_peck> :)
[04:24] <holycow> oh, if anyones open office is printing at 1/4 scale, do file / print settings, change on of the variables, then change them back and apply
[04:24] <geneo93> nickoli:  keep the devil out
[04:24] <holycow> appearently the 100% scale print config doesn't get set on install sometimes
[04:24] <nickoli> geneo93 w/e
[04:24] <mkhan> Burgundavia, is there a way to get around that bug
[04:24] <Paradiossina> is there anybody using pyslsk?
[04:25] <chad> so you'd say run a generic smoothwall install instead of running ubuntu/dans/squid/dhcp?
[04:25] <holycow>  it may still be an xprint problem perhaps as firefox prints at 1/4 scale
[04:25] <holycow> at least oo works
[04:25] <nickoli> holycow ever use 2.0 oo
[04:25] <geneo93> chad:  smoothwall is exlent firewall router
[04:25] <holycow> nickoli, right now infact
[04:25] <nickoli> holycow how is it
[04:26] <holycow> awesome
[04:26] <nickoli> holycow i dont use it often so i dont know if the upgrade would be worth it
[04:26] <holycow> it's like night and day
[04:26] <holycow> you will be amazed
[04:26] <nickoli> well now oo isnt starting
[04:27] <Burgundavia> mkhan, hmm, no idea
[04:27] <Burgundavia> mkhan, I think may just be a reporting bug. I suspect that it has enabled NTP, it just needs a reboot to tell it that
[04:27] <mkhan> i did the sync
[04:27] <mkhan> but still i am getting this message W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[04:27] <geneo93> ablyss:  you should try circuslinux
[04:28] <desrt> mkhan; that seems quite evil.
[04:28] <desrt> mkhan; don't install anything
[04:29] <Burgundavia> mkhan, I also see the error
[04:29] <desrt> mkhan; try changing mirrors and see if the problem goes away
[04:29] <desrt> i don't have that error
[04:29] <mkhan> so there is no way to get away with the error
[04:29] <mkhan> i did try changing the mirrors
[04:29] <desrt> well the error means that someone might be trying to hax0r you
[04:29] <Burgundavia> mkhan, I would try a reboot
[04:30] <desrt> Burgundavia; that won't help
[04:30] <Burgundavia> desrt, I seriously doubt it
[04:30] <ritalin> anyone know where I can get the latest fluxbox for ubuntu?
[04:30] <blizah> how do i use archive manager to unrar a rar?
[04:30] <blizah> err what do i use for *.rars in ubuntu?
[04:30] <desrt> Burgundavia; that's exactly the error that you would get if one of the mirrors was compromised
[04:30] <Burgundavia> blizah, unrar-nonfree
[04:30] <Burgundavia> desrt, or if you have time error
[04:30] <blizah> that in synaptic?
[04:30] <mkhan> yeah this is synaptic
[04:30] <desrt> Burgundavia; that's one hell of a time skew :)
[04:30] <Burgundavia> blizah, should be in multiverse and thus synatpic
[04:30] <desrt> mkhan; is your clock set correctly?
[04:30] <mkhan> i get the same error for apt-get too
[04:31] <Burgundavia> desrt, I used to get that all the time with my old laptop as windows would play with the time
[04:31] <mkhan> yeah my clock is set correctly to the eastern time
[04:31] <mkhan> new york time
[04:32] <mkhan> how could windows play with the time
[04:32] <desrt> mkhan; do an apt-key list
[04:32] <Burgundavia> mkhan, it plays with the system clock
[04:33] <Cuga> hey whats the default sync rates for a 17" monitor displaying at 1280x1024 ?
[04:33] <yyc747> I've installed openssh-server, how do I add it to my default runlevel?
[04:33] <desrt> Cuga; depends on the monitor
[04:33] <crimsun> yyc747: it's already added.
[04:33] <desrt> Cuga; what refresh?
[04:33] <desrt> 60Hz?
[04:33] <Cuga> 75
[04:34] <desrt> (**) fglrx(0): *Default mode "1280x1024": 135.0 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 80.0 kHz, 75.0 Hz
[04:34] <mkhan> this is what i get
[04:34] <mkhan> /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[04:34] <mkhan> --------------------
[04:34] <mkhan> pub  1024D/FBB75451 2004-12-30 Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key <cdimage@ubuntu.com>
[04:34] <mkhan> pub  1024D/1F41B907 1999-10-03 Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org>
[04:34] <mkhan> uid                            Christian Marillat <marillat@free.fr>
[04:34] <mkhan> uid                            Christian Marillat <marillat.christian@wanadoo.fr>
[04:34] <mkhan> sub  1536g/C28DCC42 1999-10-03
[04:34] <mkhan> sub  1024D/5D3877A7 2002-08-26
[04:34] <mkhan> pub  1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[04:34] <mkhan> sub  2048g/79164387 2004-09-12
[04:34] <desrt> woh
[04:34] <crimsun> please use #flood for floods.
[04:34] <Cuga> desrt, that doesn't tell me what the sync ranges are
[04:34] <desrt> Cuga; the sync ranges are ranges
[04:34] <desrt> if you set them to contain those values, then it will work
[04:35] <Cuga> i need vertical and horizontal
[04:35] <desrt> ya.  75 is the vertical
[04:35] <desrt> 80kHz is the horizontal
[04:35] <blizah> burgundavia k installed unrar-nonfree....how do i go about unraring an archive now?
[04:35] <nickoli> what plugin do i need to play mp3's, rhythmbox wont let me play them
[04:35] <blizah> tried to open it with unrar-nonfree but cant find it
[04:35] <Burgundavia> blizah, on the command line unrar e blah.rar
[04:35] <crimsun> nickoli: enable universe then install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:35] <blizah> k
[04:36] <crimsun> nickoli: see wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:36] <nickoli> crimsun ok
[04:36] <mkhan> so help for me guys
[04:36] <mkhan> anyways
[04:36] <blizah> anything to mount a bin file?
[04:37] <blizah> damen tools or alchol 120?
[04:37] <desrt> Cuga; each mode (horiz x vertical x refresh-rate) has a specific horizontal and vertical scan rate.  the ranges in the X config file just tell the server what modes are ok (ie: if their scanrates fall within your specified range) and allows it to pick the highest possible refresh rate that your monitor supports for each resolution
[04:37] <kennethlove> can anyone help me with dyndns?
[04:37] <mkhan> thanks a lot for your help
[04:37] <Agrajag> Burgundavia: not unrar e, unrar x
[04:37] <mkhan> i will get back to you
[04:37] <Agrajag> e ignores all paths in the archive
[04:37] <desrt> so if you only want 1280x1024x75Hz then you could seriously set your range from like 74.9-75.1 and 79.9-80.1
[04:38] <jordanau> kennethlove,
[04:38] <Cuga> desrt thanks that worked
[04:38] <jordanau> you mean the domain name thing?
[04:38] <desrt> np
[04:39] <kennethlove> jordanau: yeah. for some reason i can't get outside connections. everything looks fine on the router, though
[04:39] <Cuga> my eyes thank you
[04:39] <Cuga> haha
[04:39] <desrt> heh
[04:39] <kennethlove> so i assume it's an ubuntu problem
[04:39] <jordanau> what ip are you using? is it a 168.192 nuber or something else?
[04:39] <kennethlove> when i do a 192.168 ip (local) it works. when i do the dyndns name, it doesn't
[04:40] <stazich> hey guys does anyone know the chatroom of yellow dog linux?
[04:40] <desrt> kennethlove; you have all the port-forward stuff setup?
[04:40] <kennethlove> i do belive so, yes
[04:40] <desrt> what is your DNS name?
[04:40] <kennethlove> kenneth.homelinux.org
[04:40] <jordanau> kennethlove, you need a different ip
[04:40] <Al2O3> is GNUstep on ubuntu pretty solid?
[04:40] <Al2O3> anyone doing development with it here?
[04:41] <desrt> kenneth.homelinux.org has address 206.53.29.62
[04:41] <duken> hi, i have problem while compiling squid source
[04:41] <desrt> 21:40 [freenode]  -!- kennethlove [~kennethlo@ip70-178-123-252.ma.dl.cox.net] 
[04:41] <Al2O3> either as an app level developer or actually doing some fo the GS development.
[04:41] <kennethlove> hmm.
[04:41] <desrt> you're a long way from home :)
[04:41] <desrt> have you ever used the name from a different isp?
[04:41] <kennethlove> no
[04:42] <desrt> kenneth.homelinux.org belongs to someone using pcisys.net
[04:42] <desrt> whoever that is
[04:42] <duken> checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
[04:42] <duken> checking for gcc... gcc
[04:42] <duken> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  -g) works... no
[04:42] <duken> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
[04:42] <duken> 
[04:42] <duken> how to fix it ?
[04:42] <desrt> duken; did you apt-get install build-essential?
[04:42] <kennethlove> damnit. i've been typing that wrong all day. :) it's .net
[04:43] <desrt> ah.  does that solve your problem, then? :)
[04:43] <D_F> For some reason, I can't make the TeamSpeak client start in Ubuntu 5.04.
[04:43] <jordanau> kennethlove, haha work now?
[04:43] <kennethlove> no
[04:43] <desrt> ok
[04:43] <desrt> what service are you trying to use?
[04:43] <desrt> web? ssh?
[04:43] <duken> desrt: thanks
[04:43] <kennethlove> web for now
[04:43] <desrt> duken; np.
[04:44] <stas> hi
[04:44] <desrt> kennethlove; can you access http://localhost/ from your ubuntu box?
[04:44] <kennethlove> it's set right in the router
[04:44] <jordanau> stas, hi
[04:44] <stas> can I use macromedia flash on my ubuntu?
[04:44] <jordanau> stas, yes
[04:44] <stas> I can't install it :|
[04:44] <desrt> stas; add universe/multiverse and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:44] <D_F> Why won't Teamspeak work? :(   It worked on other Debian-based distros fine! :(
[04:44] <stas> I have AMD64 though..
[04:44] <desrt> oh.
[04:44] <stas> it refuses to install
[04:44] <desrt> no flash player for amd64
[04:45] <desrt> macromedia doesn't release one
[04:45] <stas> same with cedega
[04:45] <frank> stas: it can only work through a chroot
[04:45] <kennethlove> yeah, desrt, localhost is a go
[04:45] <frank> stas: AFAIK
[04:45] <desrt> kennethlove; either your ISP blocks web or your router does
[04:45] <stas> I saw a how-to for a 32-bit chroot
[04:45] <chad> teamspeak works fine for me on 5.04...
[04:45] <stas> but it's like 4 pages long
[04:45] <desrt> lots of ISPs block web... mine does
[04:45] <frank> There is one on the forum
[04:45] <kennethlove> switching to 8080 should fix it, right?
[04:45] <stas> would it be easier to just scrap this and install the i386 version of ubuntu
[04:45] <stas> ?
[04:45] <desrt> probably
[04:45] <kennethlove> k. i'll try that then
[04:45] <Pluk> flash works but you need a 32bit chroot
[04:46] <frank> stas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:46] <kennethlove> thanks for the suggestion
[04:46] <stas> yeah heh I saw that
[04:46] <desrt> you don't need to switch to 8080 on the inside
[04:46] <D_F> chad: I have no idea why it will not work!
[04:46] <desrt> just change the port forward setup on your router
[04:46] <stas> it's kind of daunting
[04:46] <stas> what if I screw up somewhere? ;p
[04:46] <kennethlove> i don't need to change apache?
[04:46] <desrt> no
[04:46] <frank> stas: it would be easier for this and also for alot of video files
[04:46] <desrt> your router almost definitely will allow you to forward port 8080 to port 80 on your inside machine
[04:46] <duken> anyboy have documentation about squid server ??
[04:46] <D_F> chad: All I did was install it, but when I run "TeamSpeak", it just will not start!
[04:47] <desrt> so you can leave apache alone
[04:47] <kennethlove> oh yeah. thanks again
[04:47] <desrt> np
[04:48] <stas> frank, so what do you suggest
[04:48] <duken> anybody have documentation about squid server ??
[04:48] <stas> do I stick to amd64
[04:48] <desrt> stas; install 32bit
[04:48] <stas> hmm
[04:48] <desrt> stas; there's no real point to running amd64, seriously
[04:48] <stas> am I sacrificing anything by ditching the amd64 version?
[04:48] <Cuga> for the life of me i can't get a stable GL app working, 10 secs and hang system
[04:48] <desrt> your l33tness
[04:48] <Pluk> indeed :)
[04:48] <stas> lol not much of that to start with ;p
[04:48] <D_F> chad: What did you do when you installed TeamSpeak? I just cannot make it work for some reason :S
[04:49] <desrt> amd64 is l33t :)
[04:49] <Pluk> but the howtoin franks link works great
[04:49] <desrt> just go 32... everything runs a lot nicer at the time being
[04:49] <stas> ffs it'll be another 45 minutes until the image finishes downloading!
[04:49] <desrt> get a cablemodem while you're at it :)
[04:49] <stazich> hey guys does anyone know the chatroom of yellow dog linux?
[04:49] <tsume_> :)
[04:49] <tsume_> I'm going to be switching a few windows boxes to linux, yay
[04:50] <desrt> tsume_; use gentoo.  it rocks.
[04:50] <desrt> :)
[04:50] <tsume_> desrt: gentoo sucks
[04:50] <tsume_> bigtime
[04:50] <desrt> :(
[04:50] <tsume_> binary packages are the _only_ way to go
[04:50] <desrt> well
[04:50] <stas> >stas< CTCP VERSION
[04:50] <stas> * Received a CTCP VERSION from stas
[04:50] <stas> -stas- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic [x86_64/1.01GHz] 
[04:50] <tsume_> and deb has proved worthy :)
[04:50] <desrt> certainly, ubuntu makes a much better windows replacement than gentoo does
[04:50] <stas> can I maybe prevent xchat from telling my life story
[04:50] <stas> on a version request?
[04:50] <tsume_> desrt: it makes a good any replacement
[04:51] <desrt> stas; ignore ctcp version requests
[04:51] <tsume_> desrt: I use ubuntu -unstable to keep up with updated software ;)
[04:51] <stas> oh
[04:51] <stas> how
[04:51] <kennethlove> desrt: 8080 doesn't seem to have changed anything
[04:51] <desrt> kennethlove; sucks :(
[04:51] <kennethlove> yeah...
[04:51] <desrt> kennethlove; are you sure your router isn't in 'stealth mode' or something?
[04:51] <kennethlove> pretty sure, yeah
[04:52] <desrt> hmm
[04:52] <tsume_> version me ;)
[04:52] <stas> arf
[04:52] <desrt> cute :)
[04:52] <kennethlove> desrt: ok. something that might be fucking it up. the linux box is connected to the net through my ibook....
[04:52] <stas> I quit by accident\
[04:52] <Pluk> lol
[04:52] <desrt> uhm.
[04:52] <stas> how do I block VERSION requests? ;p
[04:52] <kennethlove> so instead of 192.168.0.102 or something, it's 192.168.2.4
[04:52] <desrt> so like, nat twice?
[04:53] <desrt> like through the router and through the ibook and then to the linux box?
[04:53] <D_F> Can anyone help me get Teamspeak client working? :)
[04:53] <tsume_> stas: mmm its in the menu for xchat
[04:53] <kennethlove> yeah
[04:53] <desrt> omg.  you gotta be kidding
[04:53] <desrt> that would definitely do it, ya :P
[04:53] <kennethlove> heh. nope.
[04:53] <kennethlove> any ideas for how to get around it?
[04:53] <desrt> is the ibook nat or is it a router?
[04:53] <kennethlove> uh....
[04:54] <kennethlove> no idea. i've set it to share net connections and it's not running a firewall
[04:54] <desrt> can hosts on the outside network connect directly to your ubuntu box?
[04:54] <desrt> ah
[04:54] <desrt> 'share net connection' == nat
[04:54] <kennethlove> no, i don't believe so.
[04:54] <kennethlove> k
[04:54] <desrt> you also need to setup a forward on the ibook then
[04:54] <desrt> and set the router to forward the connection to the ibook
[04:54] <desrt> and the ibook to forward to the ubuntu box
[04:55] <desrt> may i ask *why* your network setup is so whacked out? :)
[04:55] <kennethlove> alright. sounds doable.
[04:55] <kennethlove> sure.
[04:55] <desrt> router <-wireless-> ibook <-wired-> ubuntu?
[04:55] <kennethlove> exactly
[04:55] <desrt> ya.  that's a pretty cool setup
[04:55] <desrt> i've done that before :)
[04:55] <kennethlove> works pretty damn well so far....'scept for this
[04:55] <desrt> i used to own a beautiful 12" ibook G4
[04:55] <holycow> btw, my info on oo.o printing at 1/4 page was wrong
[04:56] <desrt> but it since has been replaced with a 15" powerbook
[04:56] <kennethlove> yeah, i'm running a 12" g4
[04:56] <holycow> the solution turns out to be to set the correct dpi setting for your print in system/admin/priting
[04:56] <desrt> 800 or 1.2?
[04:56] <kennethlove> 1.2
[04:56] <desrt> nice
[04:56] <desrt> mine was a 800
[04:56] <kennethlove> yeah. quality machines
[04:56] <desrt> then work bought me a powerbook
[04:56] <holycow> if the default for printer is 600dpi and you put in 300, it will print at 1/4 size naturally
[04:56] <desrt> so i sold it :P
[04:56] <holycow> just a heads up if anyone cares
[04:56] <kennethlove> heh. don't blame you
[04:56] <desrt> i wish i had the ibook
[04:56] <kennethlove> any ideas on how to route this?
[04:56] <desrt> laptop  using osx?
[04:57] <kennethlove> use the money to buy a mini. :)
[04:57] <kennethlove> yeah
[04:57] <desrt> well.  obviously.
[04:57] <desrt> since wifi doesn't work in linux
[04:57] <kennethlove> that's something else i want to fix someday. :)
[04:57] <desrt> there ought to be something in the network control panel
[04:57] <kennethlove> linux box has a wifi card.
[04:57] <desrt> lots of people want to fix that
[04:57] <desrt> airport extreme on linux, that is
[04:57] <kennethlove> can't come soon enough
[04:58] <thelsdj> so who saw last nights episode of veronica mars? :)
[04:58] <kennethlove> yeah. i need to get a d-link card running
[04:58] <desrt> is it one of those stupid 'double speed' ones?
[04:58] <thelsdj> here's transcript for whoever missed it: http://thelsdj.org/veronica-ubuntu
[04:58] <jordanau> thelsdj, no but LOST was a rerun...
[04:58] <kennethlove> desrt: uh. not sure. dwl-g510
[04:58] <Primal79> hola
[04:58] <thelsdj> you know you've become popular when you're mentioned on network television teen drama :)
[04:59] <kennethlove> desrt: k. i'm in the network control panel...
[04:59] <desrt> the goodnews is it's 54mbit
[04:59] <desrt> instead of some crackrock 108mbit
[05:00] <kennethlove> yeah. got a good deal on it, too. something like $20 new
[05:00] <desrt> sweet
[05:00] <desrt> you can get it working in ubuntu with ndiswrapper
[05:00] <kennethlove> really? there's tomorrow then. :)
[05:00] <desrt> heh
[05:01] <jordanau> anybody have experience with the canon A95 digital camera , want to buy one soon
[05:01] <desrt> g510.. weird
[05:01] <desrt> see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:01] <desrt> it's not on the list, but a lot of cards with very similar product numbers are
[05:01] <kennethlove> yeah, i noticed that a couple of days ago.
[05:02] <a_peck> thelsdj, what shw is that from?
[05:02] <a_peck> show*
[05:02] <Burgundavia> desrt, sometimes they change wireless chipsets through minor version changes
[05:02] <thelsdj> a_peck: veronica mars
[05:02] <thelsdj> best show on tv this season
[05:02] <desrt> Burgundavia; ya.  i know.  it's an evil practise :(
[05:03] <kennethlove> desrt: well, if it can get online through that, i won't worry about this port forwarding. can you help Primal79, though? he has problems with dyndns too (friend of mine) but without the crazy setup
[05:03] <Primal79> just let me know what i should tell you...
[05:04] <chillywilly> anyone ever use ooo2dbk (OpenOffice.org to Docbook converter) and have an idea of how to author a document in OOo 1.1.x so that it converts?
[05:04] <Fazer> Hi, can anyone help me with the Live CD?
[05:04] <etzerd> hello eveeryone
[05:04] <jordanau> hey ezterd
[05:04] <Fazer> It works fine but I can't access the internet.
[05:05] <Fazer> I mean, my PCMCIA card is blinking and everything
[05:05] <etzerd> Hi  Jordanau
[05:05] <Fazer> and I can get the IP address and what not
[05:05] <kennethlove> fazer - obviously you can since you're in irc. :)
[05:05] <etzerd> I want to know how to install real player
[05:05] <desrt> Primal79; uh.  what's wrong? :P
[05:05] <Primal79> i had the same probs fazer
[05:05] <Fazer> kennethlove: Uh, I booted back to XP
[05:05] <desrt> etzerd; go to real.com and download it
[05:05] <Fazer> Primal79: I hope it isn't a driver issue?
[05:06] <desrt> etzerd; then save it to your home directory
[05:06] <kennethlove> frazer - oh. you'll probably have better luck with the install CD since the live CD can only do so much probing and configuring with your system.
[05:06] <desrt> etzerd; then open a terminal and type this:
[05:06] <desrt> chmod +x RealLinuxGold10Whatever
[05:06] <desrt> sudo ./RealLinuxGold10Whatever
[05:06] <SiRrUs> hello
[05:06] <jordanau> etzerd, i hate realplayer
[05:06] <desrt> when it asks you where to install it, say /opt/real
[05:06] <shad0w1e> how do I update my warty to hoary ??
[05:06] <Primal79> kennethlove can't seem to connect to my computer even though i've set up firestarter, apache, forwarded ports 80, 8080, and 22
[05:06] <desrt> other than that, i think the defaults are good
[05:06] <jordanau> etzerd, just thought i would tell you...
[05:07] <etzerd> Jordanau: I have Mplayer
[05:07] <Primal79> fazer: no installed using install cd and all works well
[05:07] <Fazer> kennethlove: Hmm, what I don't understand is that if the PCMCIA network card is blinking and what not, I just can't seem to connect to anything, not evne IRC via the Live CD...what makes you sure that it will work once I have installed it?
[05:07] <jordanau> etzerd, i like it do you?
[05:07] <Fazer> Primal79: Ah, shits.
[05:07] <kennethlove> fazer - worked for primal.
[05:07] <Fazer> kennethlove: Yeah I just saw :P
[05:07] <etzerd> Mplayer? hell no
[05:07] <kennethlove> heh
[05:07] <shad0w1e> I upgraded my ubuntu 4.10 by changed my sources.lst and getting kubuntu. but my kernel is still old. whats the best way to update everything at once ??
[05:07] <desrt> etzerd; find it?
[05:07] <Fazer> my current HD is partitioned in NTFS.  I guess it will automatically convert it to ext3?
[05:08] <etzerd> desrt: what should I type
[05:08] <desrt> i just told you what to type
[05:08] <etzerd> I'm on the website
[05:08] <desrt> download it
[05:08] <desrt> http://www.real.com/
[05:08] <kennethlove> fazer - you'll tell it to during the install
[05:08] <linuxpoet> How does one increase the shmmax on ubuntu?
[05:08] <etzerd> I know how to download it.
[05:08] <desrt> big button says "download realplayer"
[05:08] <etzerd> just give me the command
[05:08] <Fazer> kennethlove: Ah, okay.
[05:08] <desrt> i already did
[05:08] <Riddell> sjoerd: apt-get install linux-686
[05:08] <desrt> scroll up
[05:08] <Fazer> Primal79: Did this happen on your Laptop?
[05:08] <Riddell> sjoerd: apt-get install linux-686 kubuntu-desktop
[05:08] <Primal79> on a desktop
[05:09] <Primal79> any suggestions, desrt?
[05:09] <shad0w1e> how do I update everything using apt ?
[05:09] <Fazer> oh man, i am scared =(
[05:09] <desrt> shad0w1e; apt-get update
[05:09] <CarlK> how can I tell what the .config looked like that buil the stock kernel?
[05:09] <desrt> shad0w1e; followed by apt-get upgrade
[05:09] <linuxpoet> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:09] <shad0w1e> desrt: thanks. will that update my kernel too?
[05:09] <desrt> shad0w1e; if there is a new one available, yes
[05:10] <desrt> shad0w1e; doing dist-upgrade like linuxpoet said might potentially upgrade more stuff, so you should do that
[05:10] <dataw0lf> Hello gents.
[05:10] <shad0w1e> there sure as hell is. I'm using 2.6.8.1
[05:10] <linuxpoet> How can I set my shmmax for Ubuntu... redhat uses /etc/sysctl.conf
[05:10] <desrt> shad0w1e; ow :)
[05:10] <linuxpoet> oh looks like we do to
[05:10] <shad0w1e> man linux is nuts
[05:10] <desrt> linuxpoet; so does ubuntu
[05:10] <shad0w1e> every week ther's HUGE updates!!
[05:10] <desrt> shad0w1e; that's stopped happening now
[05:10] <kennethlove> shad0w1e: yeah, but they're not security patches. :)
[05:10] <shad0w1e> I just installed my ubuntu system maybe a month ago
[05:10] <dataw0lf> Only because Hoary just came out.
[05:10] <desrt> shad0w1e; hoary is frozen now.  only security updates from now on
[05:10] <Primal79> kenneth: what's the best way to explain the situation to desrt?
[05:11] <shad0w1e> oh I know
[05:11] <shad0w1e> hoary just became final
[05:11] <linuxpoet> ahhh much better
[05:11] <darkx> shad0w1e, would you prefer windows updates?
[05:11] <shad0w1e> HELL NO!
[05:11] <desrt> Primal79; kenneth is trying to connect to you?
[05:11] <darkx> ^^
[05:11] <Primal79> yes
[05:11] <shad0w1e> no this is cool. its just that if i dont keep on top, people freak out by how old my system is
[05:11] <shad0w1e> u know..
[05:11] <desrt> Primal79; and you're using ubuntu and a home router?
[05:11] <Burgundavia> shad0w1e, at least most linux updates to stable systems don't break the system
[05:11] <Primal79> yes, and using dyndns
[05:11] <shad0w1e> def.
[05:11] <desrt> Primal79; what is your dyndns name?
[05:11] <dataw0lf> dyndns?
[05:11] <Primal79> rayandamy.dyndns.org
[05:12] <dataw0lf> people still use that?
[05:12] <darkx> Burgundavia, and linux patches etc tend to not introduce 10 times more exploits and bugs than they originally fixed ^^
[05:12] <Fazer> alright folks
[05:12] <Fazer> I am going to go install Ubuntu now
[05:12] <Fazer> keyword: install
[05:12] <Fazer> wish me luck =(
[05:12] <etzerd> desrt: I'm done download realplayer
[05:12] <kennethlove> g'luck
[05:12] <darkx> good luck
[05:12] <hypno> how does ubuntu handle the transition between releases? Don't users have to change their apt.sources and run a dist-upgrade?
[05:12] <Fazer> i hope my PCMCIA works
[05:12] <dataw0lf> hit up the forums if you need help.
[05:12] <darkx> enjoy :-
[05:12] <darkx> D
[05:12] <shad0w1e> my sources.list still says warty. should I change that ?
[05:12] <Fazer> hehe
[05:12] <etzerd> what's the command now?
[05:12] <dataw0lf> hypno: sources.list, but yeah.
[05:12] <darkx> hypno, basically
[05:13] <shad0w1e> I mean by the title
[05:13] <desrt> shad0w1e; ya :)
[05:13] <shad0w1e> not by..
[05:13] <shad0w1e> by deb:cdrom
[05:13] <desrt> shad0w1e; i think there is a wikipage on upgrading from warty to hoary
[05:13] <dataw0lf> eh, it's pretty easy.
[05:13] <shad0w1e> its sort of done..
[05:13] <darkx> hypno, synaptic tends to help it be a more user friendly process
[05:13] <geneo93> anyone got time to help me with my scanner
[05:13] <desrt> Primal79; just poking at you right now :)
[05:13] <dataw0lf> s/warty/hoary/g in sources.list, and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:13] <etzerd> sesrt: don't forget to give me the command for realplayer
[05:13] <desrt> Primal79; you don't need to install any firewall software
[05:14] <shad0w1e> wow
[05:14] <shad0w1e> 613 packages
[05:14] <Primal79> so no firestarter?
[05:14] <AgentQ> i did it the way dataw0lf said and it worked nice and easy
[05:14] <desrt> Primal79; wow.  your ISP filters a *lot* of ports
[05:14] <Primal79> cox...
[05:14] <pestilence> geneo93: just ask
[05:14] <Primal79> there goes fazer
[05:14] <desrt> 21, 22, 23, 25, 80, 135-139, 445, 1080, 1433, 6588, 8080, 27374/tcp
[05:14] <dataw0lf> Mine actually broke when I dist-upgraded to Hoary, but with a bit of dpkg --force-overwrite magics, all was well in dataw0lf kingdom.
[05:14] <Primal79> all blocked?
[05:15] <desrt> so both 8080 and 80 are blocked.  and 22
[05:15] <dataw0lf> that's because I have a highly tweaked system, though.
[05:15] <shad0w1e> finally my drives are mounting in kde as well. yay to that
[05:15] <shad0w1e> (automounting)
[05:15] <AgentQ> i'd heard some bad stories about the upgrade, but it went fine for me
[05:15] <Primal79> how can 80 be blocked?
[05:15] <desrt> incoming
[05:15] <desrt> you can only make outgoing connections on it
[05:15] <dataw0lf> eh, there's nothing unfixable with the dist-upgrade.
[05:15] <geneo93> well i have an epson 1250 photo and sane finds it but wants to use bt878
[05:15] <dataw0lf> the Ubuntu team did a good job.
[05:15] <Primal79> i can't open it on my router?
[05:15] <AgentQ> that was my experience with debian as well
[05:15] <pestilence> geneo93: bt878 is a tv tuner, do you have one of those too?
[05:15] <geneo93> yes
[05:15] <dataw0lf> AgentQ: yeah.  It's better than the equivalent in most rpm based distros, though.
[05:16] <Primal79> err... actually that's just forwarding
[05:16] <geneo93> pestilence:  with fm radio as well
[05:16] <AgentQ> you bet...i just flat won't use rpm distros anymore
[05:16] <pestilence> geneo93: so, scanimage -l finds your scanner?
[05:16] <geneo93> no
[05:16] <desrt> Primal79; no.  basically, your ISP are facists :)
[05:16] <dataw0lf> AgentQ: Eh.  I have to take care of about 10 RH servers at work.
[05:16] <pestilence> geneo93: well, then sane isn't seeing your scanner :)
[05:16] <Primal79> desrt: any suggestions on a port to try then?
[05:16] <Fazer> Hi, btw.  Does the Live CD not support USB mice?
[05:17] <kennethlove> desrt - that's my isp also, btw. :)
[05:17] <shad0w1e> after I update to hoary will I have a splash (startup) screen ?
[05:17] <desrt> Primal79; 81? 8888?
[05:17] <dataw0lf> And a dozen or so Tru64 workstations, and three or four Tru64 servers.  Those are even worse.
[05:17] <desrt> Primal79; as i told kennethlove, you don't need to reconfigure apache
[05:17] <geneo93> scanimage: option requires an argument -- l
[05:17] <AgentQ> dataw0lf: i'm just a graduate student in chemistry, i play with computers on the side
[05:17] <desrt> just change the external port number to 8888
[05:17] <dataw0lf> shad0wle: a grub splash screen?
[05:17] <desrt> so that it bounces 8888 to 80 internal
[05:17] <shad0w1e> no
[05:17] <shad0w1e> after grub
[05:17] <dataw0lf> AgentQ: Ah, I'm a lead system administrator.
[05:17] <Primal79> let me try that then...
[05:17] <pestilence> geneo93: huh?
[05:17] <dataw0lf> shad0w1e: yeah
[05:17] <Primal79> wait. bounces?
[05:18] <geneo93> that was to output
[05:18] <pestilence> geneo93: what about -L
[05:18] <shad0w1e> dataw0lf: great, thanks!
[05:18] <dataw0lf> shad0w1e: np.
[05:18] <Fazer> Will my USB mouse work fine with a Hoary install? Since it doesnt work on the LIve CD
[05:18] <Fazer> Its a 3 button mouse with a scroll wheel
[05:18] <pestilence> sorry.
[05:18] <Primal79> desrt: no sure how to do that
[05:18] <geneo93> device `v4l:/dev/video0' is a Noname BT878 video (Hauppauge (bt878)
[05:18] <dataw0lf> Fazer: yeah, it should.
[05:18] <desrt> Primal79; it'll be in your router web setup page
[05:18] <pestilence> geneo93: and that's the only thing it shows?
[05:18] <geneo93> yup
[05:18] <Fazer> hmmm
[05:19] <geneo93> sane find scanner finds it though
[05:19] <shad0w1e> how to I delete all my downloaded packages ? where are they stored?
[05:19] <dataw0lf> Fazer: I have a usb MX1000 laser logitech, if that works, anything will.
[05:19] <Fazer> dataw0lf: Heh, did it work on the Live CD?
[05:19] <Primal79> is it triggering and forwarding?
[05:19] <dataw0lf> shad0w1e: /var/apt/cache
[05:19] <shad0w1e> dataw0lf: thanks
[05:19] <dataw0lf> Fazer: I've only used the live cd on my laptop once.
[05:20] <dataw0lf> on which my mx1000 wasn't hooked up.
[05:20] <dataw0lf> So I can't say for sure.
[05:20] <Fazer> dataw0lf: Oh =(
[05:20] <Fazer> Bah, I guess its install time then.
[05:20] <geneo93> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x010f, chip=LM983x?) at libusb:001:002
[05:20] <pestilence> geneo93: what do you mean, sane finds it?  sane-find-scanner does?
[05:20] <dataw0lf> shad0w1e: eh, I mean /var/cache/apt
[05:20] <dataw0lf> sorry about that.
[05:20] <dataw0lf> <-- exhausted.
[05:20] <AgentQ> dataw0lf: i do have to maintain the army of pcs in my research group, but they're pretty much all windows boxes...blech
[05:20] <shad0w1e> gotit
[05:20] <Fazer> installation time, laters everyone.
[05:21] <geneo93> pestilence:  only as root though
[05:21] <dataw0lf> AgentQ: yeah, we have about 20 or so W2k machines, that we auth with OpenLDAP + NIS
[05:21] <Primal79> anyone know how to bounce port numbers on a router?
[05:21] <dataw0lf> that's a pain, let me tell yah.
[05:21] <desrt> Primal79; are you in your web admin for the router?
[05:21] <shad0w1e> has ubuntu announced a new (beta) version yet ?
[05:21] <Primal79> yes
[05:21] <dataw0lf> breezy
[05:21] <desrt> Primal79; what brand of router?
[05:22] <shad0w1e> it's called breezy?
[05:22] <dataw0lf> Indeed.
[05:22] <pestilence> geneo93: ah.  perhaps you need to change permissions on the scanner device
[05:22] <Primal79> linksys
[05:22] <shad0w1e> just plain breezy? not like breezy brozedog, or something?
[05:22] <desrt> ok
[05:22] <desrt> under "applications & gaming"
[05:22] <dataw0lf> Breezy Badger, shad0w1e
[05:22] <desrt> you should see "port forward range"
[05:22] <geneo93> pestilence:  how if it dont show
[05:22] <shad0w1e> heh heh, i knew it
[05:22] <dottedquad> uhm is it possible to run kde on ubuntu?
[05:22] <chillywilly> bah
[05:22] <shad0w1e> yes
[05:22] <desrt> application, start, end, protocol, ip address, enable
[05:22] <shad0w1e> im doing it
[05:22] <dataw0lf> dottedquad: KUbuntu
[05:22] <desrt> application doesn't matter.. it's just a description.. put "web"
[05:23] <Primal79> oh that's bouncing?
[05:23] <desrt> ya
[05:23] <Primal79> i just hadn't heard that term
[05:23] <Primal79> i'm sorry
[05:23] <desrt> ah.  linksys is evil
[05:23] <dottedquad> dataw0of: is that the command?
[05:23] <chillywilly> can't find any info in english on how to author OOo documents that you want to convert to docbook cml with ooo2dbk
[05:23] <dataw0lf> dottedquad: and if you're on the default Gnome Ubuntu, for lack of a better term, I believe you can just apt-get install kde-desktop, if I'm not mistaken
[05:23] <desrt> it doesn't let you forward from one port to another
[05:23] <chillywilly> s/cml/xml/
[05:23] <dottedquad> alright
[05:23] <desrt> you have to keep the numbers the same
[05:23] <shad0w1e> dottedquad: either get the kde package or the kubuntu package. kubuntu will work better esp. if youre looking to make kde your default.
[05:23] <desrt> Primal79; another option is open to you
[05:23] <smouche> kubuntu-desktop, I think, dataw0lf
[05:24] <desrt> Primal79; you can forward all ports
[05:24] <dataw0lf> smouche: ah, thanks.
[05:24] <shad0w1e> also if youre switching be sure to select kdm as your default display manager, NOT GDM
[05:24] <desrt> it's called "dmz host"
[05:24] <dataw0lf> I wouldn't touch KDE with a 10 ft pole ;)
[05:24] <shad0w1e> really? KDE runs faster than GNOME.
[05:24] <yyc747> the synaptic repository screen is nothing like described in the wiki... can someone help me add universe?
[05:24] <smouche> new kde is excellent.
[05:24] <dataw0lf> shad0w1e: that's a subject of much dispute.
[05:24] <dataw0lf> And I don't run Gnome either.
[05:24] <shad0w1e> KDE looks so cluttered, its got so much more stuff, YET it still runs a lot faster
[05:24] <desrt> yyc747; do you know how to use vi?
[05:24] <dottedquad> arg
[05:25] <smouche> easy enough to unclutter kde.
[05:25] <shad0w1e> there's no dispute about which one is faster. there may be a dispute about which is better
[05:25] <AgentQ> so what do you run, dataw0lf?
[05:25] <dottedquad> i'm guessing konsole is a KDE thing?
[05:25] <shad0w1e> fluxbox!
[05:25] <kennethlove> whoooo. computer blew up
[05:25] <desrt> kennethlove; smoke?
[05:25] <dataw0lf> xfce4, although I'm thinking of switching back to xfce3 because of the Gnome crap in xfce4
[05:25] <kennethlove> heh. no.
[05:25] <AgentQ> ah, i used to run that on my old laptop
[05:25] <smouche> dottedquad, kde is krazy about k's
[05:25] <dataw0lf> I use fluxbox at work.
[05:25] <dottedquad> lol ok
[05:25] <kennethlove> just a crazy graphic on the desktop, everything went black
[05:25] <smouche> I like konsole.
[05:25] <sKarnage> afternoon all
[05:25] <AgentQ> i like gnome on my desktop though
[05:25] <yyc747> desrt: I know how to use vi, but I don't want to really.  I would prefer there to be a way in synaptic
[05:25] <shad0w1e> I couldnt figure out how to use the xfce bar on bottom
[05:25] <geneo93> pestilence:  did i miss something
[05:26] <dottedquad> so where is the command prompt?  if that's what you wanna call it?
[05:26] <desrt> yyc747; how about gedit? :)
[05:26] <sKarnage> i'm fairly n00b to Ubuntu and need some help
[05:26] <dataw0lf> yyc747: it's pretty self explanatory.
[05:26] <dataw0lf> sKarnage: shoot.
[05:26] <sKarnage> cheers
[05:26] <dataw0lf> cheers, what's your question?
[05:26] <sKarnage> ok, first of all ... how do i get icons on the desktop first of all
[05:26] <etzerd> desrt: I'm still waiting on the command how to install RealPlayer
[05:26] <shad0w1e> oh shucks. I was using a wifi card with ndiswrapper. is it possible that with the kernel upgrade itll be supported natively and I can get rid of ndiswrapper ?
[05:26] <desrt> etzerd; i gave it to you half an hour ago
[05:26] <kennethlove> desrt - think you can help me with samba/nfs/netatalk?
[05:26] <pestilence> geneo93: no, i'm not sure what to do.  i think you might need to edit the sane configurations to tell it your scanner is at libusb:001:002
[05:26] <etzerd> no
[05:26] <etzerd> you told me to download it
[05:26] <dataw0lf> I'm taking a break from the forums because people there sometimes... make me want to ram a gun into my mouth and pull the trigger.
[05:27] <etzerd> put it on the home directory
[05:27] <desrt> etzerd; yes.  you can scroll up and read about it or not.  your choice.
[05:27] <geneo93> ok leme look
[05:27] <jordanau> shad0w1e, no
[05:27] <Primal79> i must have dropped off
[05:27] <dataw0lf> sKarnage: icons on the actual desktop?
[05:27] <desrt> kennethlove; not really.
[05:27] <dataw0lf> use Nautilus.
[05:27] <desrt> kennethlove; i've never used these things with ubuntu
[05:27] <shad0w1e> jordanau: there were NO wifi cards added to the newer kernel? Im upgrading from 2.6.8
[05:27] <kennethlove> desrt: oh. :) ok.
[05:27] <dataw0lf> or are you talking about the taskbars, etc.
[05:27] <Primal79> desrt: go to  the dmz tab and enable dmz?
[05:27] <sKarnage> like i did it on a previous install but can't remember ... to get like the wastebasket, home directory and the 'my computer'-alike there ... Nautilus, that's what i thought, ok there's one down >:o)
[05:27] <desrt> Primal79; and put in the IP address of your ubuntu box
[05:27] <pestilence> geneo93: try putting it in /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf
[05:27] <AgentQ> the only thing i don't like about natilus is the spatial thing turned on by default...not a fan of that
[05:28] <dataw0lf> AgentQ: agreed.
[05:28] <pestilence> geneo93: device libusb:001:002
[05:28] <Primal79> desrt: is that a smart thing to do?
[05:28] <dataw0lf> I don't use a file browser, if I can help it.
[05:28] <etzerd> then desrt: I just scroll all the way up. the last thing you told me was  "find it?"
[05:28] <desrt> Primal79; it exposes your box to the net.  ubuntu is pretty secure though
[05:28] <shad0w1e> when I changed the spatial thing. it was no longer nautilus. it became panel. i think.
[05:28] <dataw0lf> relatively.
[05:28] <geneo93> pestilence:  there is no conf. files
[05:28] <dataw0lf> And Ubuntu is only as secure as you make it.
[05:28] <Primal79> well then, try it kenneth
[05:28] <desrt> etzerd; keep scrolling to right after you asked your question
[05:29] <kennethlove> gimme a sec
[05:29] <pestilence> geneo93: there's nothing in /etc/sane.d ?
[05:29] <sKarnage> now one i've been working on all morning ... i'm trying to install Menuedit but it said i need Python 2.4 (2.3 is the latest in Synaptic) so I downloaded and installed Python 2.4 and then went to install that but it wanted a c++ compiler so i went and installed that and python installed but menuedit still won't install because of python2.4 dependencies
[05:29] <dataw0lf> although the default hosts.* is a good touch.
[05:29] <geneo93> only all theee modules
[05:29] <dataw0lf> sKarnage: want to priv me the exact errors?
[05:29] <desrt> yyc747; still need help?
[05:30] <pestilence> geneo93: that's strange.
[05:30] <dataw0lf> one sec, cigarette.
[05:30] <kennethlove> no go, primal
[05:30] <Primal79> ok i see two inbound
[05:30] <geneo93> just a bunch of diff brands of scanners
[05:30] <shad0w1e> ok thanks a lot people, I'm off
[05:30] <Al2O3> anybody here know of a public DNS IP that I can use, my DHCP supplied's are dead.
[05:30] <pestilence> geneo93: do you have libsane installed?
[05:31] <Primal79> i see two blocked connections
[05:31] <yyc747> desrt: nah... i did vi
[05:31] <desrt> yyc747; :)
[05:31] <Primal79> three blocked now
[05:31] <geneo93> should have
[05:31] <desrt> Primal79; from my scan, you should be able to use anything that's not:
[05:31] <amonkey> i just made a shell script that opens up 4chan when i type intarbutt in the console. anyone else look at 4chan?
[05:32] <desrt> 21, 22, 23, 25, 80, 135-139, 445, 1080, 1433, 6588, 8080, 27374
[05:32] <] BreliC[> does ubuntu come with a tmp dir cleanup cron script?
[05:32] <pestilence> geneo93: well, /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf is in the package libsane on hoary
[05:32] <sKarnage> ok i'll just need to write them down off the other computer and then send to you, cheers for this mate
[05:32] <Primal79> i forwarded 8888 and 81
[05:32] <desrt> ] BreliC[; such a thing would be a very bad idea
[05:32] <] BreliC[> desrt, why?
[05:32] <geneo93> libsane is already the newest version.
[05:32] <desrt> ] BreliC[; you can't erase files in /tmp at random times
[05:32] <etzerd> and everytime you chat to me it appear in red
[05:32] <desrt> something might be using them
[05:32] <Primal79> who is 24.215.14.137?
[05:32] <desrt> Primal79; me
[05:32] <etzerd> well thanks anyway
[05:32] <pestilence> geneo93: so, there is no /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf?
[05:33] <Fazer> Damn it
[05:33] <geneo93> yes
[05:33] <] BreliC[> desrt, hmm, i thought i've seen some before that erase files that are 7 days or older
[05:33] <Primal79> it shows you getting blocked
[05:33] <mak> hey, anyone know of a good step-by-step howto for setting up a mail server?
[05:33] <Fazer> I can't autoconfigure my netwotk card with the DHCP
[05:33] <Fazer> Primal79: Did it autoconfigure your network DHCP settings on the installer?
[05:33] <pestilence> geneo93: don't know what to tell you.  you could create it.
[05:33] <Fazer> "Network autoconfiguration failed"
[05:33] <Primal79> yeah it autoconfigured. and all this blocking i'm seeing is in firestarter
[05:33] <pestilence> geneo93: it really should be there.  it's in both warty and hoary
[05:34] <] BreliC[> desrt, what is the best way to clean out /tmp then?
[05:34] <desrt> 22:05 < desrt> etzerd; go to real.com and download it
[05:34] <geneo93> well i can copy the conf. file from mandrake
[05:34] <desrt> 22:06 < desrt> etzerd; then save it to your home directory
[05:34] <desrt> 22:06 < desrt> etzerd; then open a terminal and type this:
[05:34] <Fazer> Primal79: What do you mean?
[05:34] <desrt> 22:06 < desrt> chmod +x RealLinuxGold10Whatever
[05:34] <desrt> 22:06 < desrt> sudo ./RealLinuxGold10Whatever
[05:34] <desrt> 22:06 < desrt> when it asks you where to install it, say /opt/real
[05:34] <desrt> 22:06 < desrt> other than that, i think the defaults are good
[05:34] <desrt> argh!
[05:34] <desrt> and he leaves
[05:34] <Primal79> fazer, it's not for you.
[05:34] <desrt> ] BreliC[; on reboot
[05:34] <Fazer> mhmm
[05:34] <pestilence> geneo93: you could try "sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install --reinstall libsane"
[05:34] <Fazer> this is so fustrating
[05:34] <Fazer> i can see the damn card blinking
[05:34] <Fazer> and the modem card being active and shit
[05:35] <] BreliC[> desrt, does it do it automatically?  if not, where should i put a script?
[05:35] <Fazer> but it can't autoconfigure
[05:35] <Fazer> so, this isn't making much sense.
[05:35] <geneo93> pestilence:  when i installed warty i didn't have scanner pluged in
[05:35] <desrt> ] BreliC[; honestly, i don't know.  i haven't an ubuntu user for long
[05:35] <Fazer> can anyone help?
[05:35] <pestilence> geneo93: it doesn't matter.
[05:35] <dottedquad> i can't remember if the ubuntu installation configuration asked for me to set an admin password or not? Does it?
[05:35] <] BreliC[> desrt, ok, thanks.
[05:35] <desrt> ] BreliC[; take a look at /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> dottedquad: it did not
[05:36] <dottedquad> ok thought so
[05:36] <] BreliC[> thanks
[05:36] <HrdwrBoB> dottedquad: the 'admin' password is your password
[05:36] <pestilence> Fazer: what happens when you type "iwconfig"
[05:36] <dottedquad> ok
[05:36] <Primal79> desrt: okay i stopped firestarter firewall. would that make a difference?
[05:36] <Fazer> pestilence: This is at the installation screen
[05:36] <dottedquad> i typed in su
[05:36] <dottedquad> asked for my password and typed in admin
[05:36] <desrt> Primal79; i'm not sure what state it would leave your machine in
[05:36] <dottedquad> and password is incorrect
[05:36] <nessmuk> after running hoary, I tried looking at some other window managers, but lost my firefox bookmarks.
[05:37] <pestilence> Fazer: do you really need the network for install?  you don't have the cd?
[05:37] <Primal79> so turn it back on?
[05:37] <desrt> well
[05:37] <nessmuk> Are they retrievable, or should I have saved them first?
[05:37] <desrt> do you have another computer at home?
[05:37] <desrt> actually, first thing first
[05:37] <Fazer> pestilence: No no, I have the CD.  But when it tries to autoconfig the DHCP, it fails.  So I am guessing that it doesn't support my PCMCIA network card?
[05:37] <desrt> on the ubuntu box, try http://localhost:8888/
[05:37] <desrt> what does that say?
[05:37] <Primal79> a windows machine, but heck if i can get samba to work! :)
[05:37] <pestilence> Fazer: is it a wireless card?
[05:37] <Fazer> pestilence: Nope, ethernet
[05:38] <pestilence> Fazer: oh.
[05:38] <Fazer> connected directly to my Cable box
[05:38] <Primal79> connection refused
[05:38] <pestilence> Fazer: and you use DHCP in windows?
[05:38] <desrt> Primal79; did you setup apache for port 8888?
[05:38] <kennethlove> why the fuck can't i connect through samba
[05:38] <Primal79> no, i don't think i did any setup for apache
[05:38] <desrt> ok.
[05:38] <Fazer> pestilence: Hmm, not sure how I am connected, do you know how I can make sure?
[05:38] <dottedquad> alright theh admin password is def not admin cause it's not working.. so what now?
[05:38] <desrt> apache is installed right?
[05:38] <Primal79> yes
[05:39] <desrt> it's on port 80 by default
[05:39] <desrt> you want to change it to 8888
[05:39] <desrt> or 81
[05:39] <pestilence> Fazer: i'm not sure if "ipconfig" from a command prompt in windows would tell you
[05:39] <desrt> edit your apache config file, which is very likely located in /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[05:39] <desrt> (but i don't know for sure since i've never installed apache on ubuntu)
[05:39] <kennethlove> growl! it connects but i can't write.
[05:39] <kennethlove> it's set to read/write
[05:39] <geneo93> pestilence:  it'll be awhile dun here
[05:39] <Fazer> pestilence: It says "Assigned by DHCP"
[05:39] <Fazer> the fucking funny thing is
[05:39] <Fazer> in the Live CD
[05:39] <desrt> kennethlove; when you set a share read/write it does so on the condition of you connecting as a user with permission to write to the directory
[05:39] <Fazer> i have to enable the eth0 shit
[05:40] <Fazer> and then I can see it give me an IP address
[05:40] <Fazer> but I can't connect to anything!
[05:40] <kennethlove> desrt - yeah, i think it is.
[05:40] <desrt> for example, if you want to write to your home directory, you have to login with your user/password (ie: not anonymous)
[05:40] <desrt> if you want to write to /usr or something, nobody can do that :)
[05:40] <pestilence> Fazer: what's your card
[05:40] <Fazer> pestilence: Its a Dynex
[05:41] <kennethlove> i'm pretty sure it's set up like that....how can i check?
[05:41] <desrt> did windows ask you for a password?
[05:41] <pestilence> Fazer: model?
[05:41] <kennethlove> windows? :)
[05:41] <desrt> oh
[05:41] <stas> hi
[05:41] <desrt> samba with ibook?
[05:41] <kennethlove> yeah
[05:41] <stas> what package should I use
[05:41] <stas> to burn ISOs?
[05:41] <kennethlove> since i can't get netatalk to work
[05:41] <desrt> heh.  i have no idea how that works :)
[05:41] <stas> something to replace nero and alcohol 120
[05:41] <Primal79> desrt: change the listen port?
[05:41] <desrt> Primal79; exactly.
[05:42] <Primal79> i see listen 3000
[05:42] <Primal79> and Listen 12.34.56.78:80
[05:42] <Fazer> pestilence: Heh, hmm let me see if I can peek through because I would have to remove the card to see
[05:42] <desrt> put "Listen 8888"
[05:42] <desrt> :q
[05:42] <niran> http://www.stanford.edu/~niran/ubuntu.mpeg
[05:42] <Primal79> in addition or overwrite?
[05:43] <df__> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 5.04, and Teamspeak just will not start!
[05:43] <desrt> should be able to do in addition
[05:43] <desrt> but overwrite is fine
[05:43] <Primal79> they're all commented out right now... uncomment them?
[05:43] <Primal79> # is commented out right?
[05:43] <desrt> just add one of your own
[05:43] <desrt> Listen 8888
[05:43] <desrt> yes.
[05:43] <sKarnage> ok, dataw0lf incoming
[05:44] <D_F> I love Ubuntu, but I'm not going to use it without working Teamspeak.
[05:44] <Primal79> how do i open it so i can write to it? right now it's read only
[05:45] <desrt> Primal79; what text editor do you use?
[05:45] <Primal79> i just found it going to places, computer, filesystem, etc.
[05:45] <desrt> oh, ok
[05:45] <Primal79> gedit?
[05:46] <desrt> hit alt+f2 and a box will come up, type exactly this into it:
[05:46] <desrt> gksudo gedit "/etc/apache/httpd.conf"
[05:46] <desrt> ER.  no.  sorry
[05:46] <desrt> this one:
[05:46] <Fazer> pestilence: Its a Dynex DX E201
[05:46] <desrt> gksudo "gedit /etc/apache/httpd.conf"
[05:46] <jordanau> niran, is that advertisinG?
[05:46] <smouche> desrt, what does the "gk" before sudo do?
[05:46] <darGor> hi. I installed ubuntu, but latest linux distros i used i were connected with dialup. now im with adsl and i installed ubuntu; but i cant connect to inet. im in windows now
[05:46] <desrt> smouche; presents you with a graphical gtk dialog box for your password
[05:46] <Primal79> there we go. i can write to it now. thx
[05:46] <darGor> how to configure adsl? it's an ethernet modem
[05:47] <D_F> Bye bye Ubuntu...
[05:47] <desrt> D_F; see ya
[05:47] <pestilence> Fazer: are you still on the install screen?
[05:47] <niran> jordanau, it's a clip from a tv show
[05:47] <smouche> I see, desrt. thanks
[05:47] <frank> darGor:  pppoe?
[05:47] <Fazer> pestilence: No, I booted back to XP =(
[05:47] <D_F> desrt: Well really! I can't believe Teamspeak won't work!
[05:47] <desrt> D_F; google around.  obviously nobody here can help you
[05:47] <desrt> i haven't even heard of teamspeak.
[05:47] <stas> what package should I use
[05:47] <stas> to burn ISOs?
[05:47] <D_F> desrt: It's worked in every other distro, and someone said they had it working too.
[05:47] <stas> something to replace nero and alcohol 120
[05:47] <darGor> frank: yeah, i used kppp with extermal modem of dialup.. but with dsl i dunno how to configure.
[05:47] <desrt> stas; right click the ISO and click on "write to cd"
[05:47] <darGor> frank: i got adsl today
[05:48] <D_F> desrt: But I do not understand why it shouldn't work for me, but it works for someone else. That's ridiculous.
[05:48] <Fazer> pestilence: Should I go back to the Install screen and do something?
[05:48] <niran> jordanau, http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-24272/epid-396672/
[05:48] <frank> dargor: do you need a login for your adsl?
[05:48] <pestilence> Fazer: just a second.
[05:48] <jordanau> niran, right, do you think it was paid advertising?
[05:48] <niran> jordanau, oh, i doubt it
[05:48] <Fazer> pestilence: Sure thing.
[05:48] <darGor> frank: i've my login/passwd. but how to configure it? with DHCP commands? must edit some configurations of DHCP?
[05:48] <niran> jordanau, they would've gotten the blurb right
[05:48] <niran> jordanau, they said gnome 2.0 for warty when it was 2.8
[05:49] <Graben> hello fellow ubunters
[05:49] <frank> dargor: no you need to run     sudo pppoeconf     in a console
[05:49] <Primal79> desrt: okay, with listen 8888 put in and firestarter turned off, i don't get the connection refused error
[05:49] <desrt> Primal79; good :)
[05:49] <Primal79> although nothing else happens either
[05:49] <Fazer> pestilence: OR should I go back to the LIve CD and do that?  I think it kind of recognizes the DHCP then and assigns me the IP address and stuff...even then though, it still didn
[05:49] <Fazer> 't work
[05:49] <Primal79> ff says done but nothing on the page
[05:49] <desrt> Primal79; ugh
[05:50] <Primal79> what now?
[05:50] <kennethlove> elinks just keeps saying "making connection", Primal79 & desrt
[05:50] <pestilence> Fazer: go back and do what?
[05:50] <sKarnage> so what's the deal with dependencies then?
[05:50] <darGor> frank: ok', i'll go to linux partition. IS sudo ppoeconf , and then?some adsl_setup commands or ifconfig command? gedit some .conf ???
[05:50] <Fazer> pestilence: Type in iwconfig
[05:50] <desrt> Primal79; this is positively evil.
[05:50] <Fazer> or ifconfig or whatever it is.
[05:50] <pestilence> Fazer: no, that's when i thought you had a wireless card.  ipconfig is the command you want.
[05:50] <desrt> Primal79; i wonder if maybe you just have a blank homepage?
[05:50] <stas> desrt, it doesn't work
[05:50] <Primal79> might be
[05:50] <pestilence> Fazer: oops typo.  ifconfig
[05:51] <desrt> stas; hm.  what's wrong?
[05:51] <Fazer> pestilence: Ah, hehe okay.
[05:51] <pestilence> Fazer: with a "f"
[05:51] <stas> desrt, it just rejects my 700MB cdrs
[05:51] <Primal79> can i go and add something really quick?
[05:51] <Fazer> pestilence: Yeah, I realized that.
[05:51] <desrt> stas; oh.  there's some trick you need to do to enable overburns
[05:51] <stas> desrt, asking to insert one with at least 587MB
[05:51] <pestilence> Fazer: you could try assigning it the ip address you are getting in windows
[05:51] <desrt> uhh
[05:51] <stas> I want to burn a unbuntu CD!!
[05:51] <desrt> that's pretty strange
[05:51] <kennethlove> woot! got it to work
[05:51] <Fazer> pestilence: Hmm, during the install screen?
[05:51] <pestilence> Fazer: but my guess is since it's not getting an ip via dhcp, that's not going to work either
[05:51] <desrt> well, you could always try from the commandline
[05:52] <desrt> are you sure the CD you are using is empty?
[05:52] <Primal79> kenneth: got what to work? samba?
[05:52] <Fazer> pestilence: However, I was able to get the IP from the Live CD after a little tweaking
[05:52] <kennethlove> yeah
[05:52] <stas> I tried like 3!
[05:52] <desrt> i've never heard of that happening before....
[05:52] <pestilence> Fazer: i'm don't think you can do that from the install screen, but you could try hitting "ctrl+alt+F2" and play around
[05:52] <stas> oh ok
[05:52] <stas> there it goes
[05:52] <kanuha> I got to say, Ubuntu is awesome. It's the only distro that I am able to get my TV and Radio card working along with my ATI 9600XT 3D graphics. Not to mention that every program that I want to use is listed in synaptic and has been installed flawlessly. Thanks to everyone who helped to contribute to this distro.
[05:52] <stas> it just started working
[05:52] <desrt> stas; excellent :)
[05:52] <Fazer> pestilence: What does CTRL + ALT + F2 do?
[05:52] <stas> for no reason
[05:52] <stas> hm
[05:52] <stas> odd!
[05:52] <desrt> hey
[05:52] <pestilence> Fazer: but if you aren't familiar with working on the command line, don't bother
[05:52] <desrt> don't question it :)
[05:52] <stas> is there CD image emulation in this?
[05:52] <Primal79> where are the files kept that show the homepage?
[05:52] <desrt> it might stop :)
[05:52] <pestilence> Fazer: should put you on virtual terminal 2
[05:52] <stas> like
[05:53] <desrt> stas; to mount cds?
[05:53] <pestilence> Fazer: the install happens on virtual terminal 1
[05:53] <stas> if I want to mount an image on a virtual cd rom driv
[05:53] <stas> e
[05:53] <darGor> franck: ?
[05:53] <Fazer> pestilence: How do I go about doing that?
[05:53] <desrt> stas; i wrote a couple of scripts to do it.  they sort of suck, but they work
[05:53] <sKarnage> what are some possible workarounds to dependencies?
[05:53] <frank> darGor:   sudo pppoeconf  should walk you through the whole confoguration  if you use  pppoe  which I think you do
[05:53] <stas> oh
[05:53] <pestilence> Fazer: setting the ip address?
[05:53] <stas> I was thinking something like Alcohol
[05:53] <Primal79> anyone: where are the files kept that show the homepage?
[05:53] <stas> you know, with raw emulation
[05:53] <kennethlove> Primal79: /var/www
[05:53] <stas> safedisc 1/2 emulation
[05:53] <desrt> stas; basically, you need to do a loopback mount as root
[05:54] <Fazer> pestilence: No, you said virtual terminal
[05:54] <stas> blacklists
[05:54] <stas> that kind of stuff
[05:54] <desrt> stas; do you know the terminal at all?
[05:54] <pestilence> Fazer: ctrl+alt+F2
[05:54] <darGor> frank: i must get dns automatically. so, use some command of DHCP ?
[05:54] <stas> I know SOME terminal
[05:54] <Fazer> pestilence: Oh, and then?
[05:54] <stas> likek
[05:54] <desrt> heh.
[05:54] <stas> ls
[05:54] <stas> and apt-get ;p
[05:54] <cowbud> ahh breezy is starting to get updates How I missed my lovely updates!
[05:54] <desrt> well
[05:54] <frank> For me it was done automatically
[05:54] <frank> darGor: For me it was done automatically
[05:54] <Fazer> pestilence: I know a little about the command line, been used to SSH'ing into Linux servers
[05:54] <desrt> mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /some/directory
[05:54] <pestilence> Fazer: you could try "ifconfig eth0 up" and then "ifconfig eth0 123.456.789.1"
[05:54] <desrt> ^^ this will 'mount' the iso file in that directory
[05:54] <stas> heh
[05:54] <desrt> ie: that directory will contain the cd
[05:55] <stas> what if it's a cuesheet + binary?
[05:55] <pestilence> Fazer: replacing with your desired ip address, of course
[05:55] <desrt> then you have to convert it to iso first
[05:55] <Primal79> desrt: strange... the index.html shows "placeholder page" etc
[05:55] <darGor> frank: u use sudo ppoeconf, walk througly, and all ok?
[05:55] <Fazer> pestilence: What IP address should I really put then?
[05:55] <stas> ;o
[05:55] <stas> what if it's a ccd
[05:55] <Fazer> can't it be that 123 one?
[05:55] <desrt> what is a ccd?
[05:55] <stas> clonecd?
[05:55] <frank> darGor: thats all I did  and internet works
[05:55] <desrt> i've never heard of that
[05:55] <stas> .sub + .img + .ccd + .cue
[05:55] <stas> it takes 4 files
[05:55] <pestilence> Fazer: oops...."ifconfig eth0 address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
[05:55] <darGor> frank: oki thanks, i'll install ubuntu now and try that
[05:55] <stas> if you convert it to iso, you lose lots of data
[05:55] <desrt> sounds confusing
[05:55] <pestilence> Fazer: the one you have in windows
[05:56] <desrt> stas; nod
[05:56] <pestilence> Fazer: shown in ipconfig
[05:56] <Fazer> hmmm...
[05:56] <stas> :(
[05:56] <Fazer> pestilence: Alrighty
[05:56] <darGor> frank: nothing like that ifconfig eth0 up adress 255.255.255.255 etc etc naa ??
[05:56] <pestilence> Fazer: but like i said, this probably won't work
[05:56] <stas> so no 1:1 copies with linux eh ;p
[05:56] <desrt> Primal79; i can't access it from my house
[05:56] <desrt> connection refused
[05:56] <Fazer> pestilence: damn, so, any ideas of what I can do?
[05:56] <] BreliC[> wow, 37MB for Acrobat 7 for linux... is it just me or that just bloatware now?
[05:56] <desrt> Primal79; my next suggestion is to try from your windows box
[05:56] <stas> alright
[05:56] <] BreliC[> it used to be good and quick, but no longer
[05:56] <desrt> ] BreliC[; don't use acrobat 7.  it sucks.
[05:56] <stas> I'm about to reinstall unbuntu
[05:56] <desrt> ] BreliC[; you'll be happier with evince
[05:56] <] BreliC[> desrt, heh, i know.  just reading an article about it
[05:57] <stas> amd64->i386
[05:57] <desrt> stas; a good call :)
[05:57] <] BreliC[> desrt, that's what i use.  i think it's great.  small and quick yet functional for my tastes
[05:57] <stas> do I have to format this partition?
[05:57] <frank> darGor:  Not for me anyways.  I just have  my ethernet card connected to dsl modem  and I use a login/password to connect
[05:57] <pestilence> Fazer: do you have a second machine you could chat on here on while you try the install?
[05:57] <kennethlove> afk
[05:57] <desrt> stas; no.
[05:57] <stas> or can I just leave what I have here as is?
[05:57] <frank> darGor: and     pppoeconf took car of it for me
[05:57] <desrt> stas; what do you want to save?  just /home?
[05:57] <Fazer> pestilence: Damn, no, its in the other room and someone's sleeping =(
[05:57] <stas> uhh
[05:57] <pestilence> Fazer: :)
[05:57] <darGor> frank: ok thanks a lot man
[05:57] <stas> I don't really have anything to save
[05:57] <Fazer> pestilence; Maybe I should wait this out till tomorrow?  What time are you awake?
[05:57] <pestilence> Fazer: hahaha
[05:58] <stas> I installed unbuntu like 5 hours ago
[05:58] <desrt> stas; so what's wrong with wiping it out?
[05:58] <stas> heh
[05:58] <frank> darGor:   hope it works for you too  :-)
[05:58] <Primal79> desrt: i can already access rayandamy.dyndns.org from windows
[05:58] <desrt> Primal79; sounds like a problem with your router, then
[05:58] <stas>  /home could be nice actually
[05:58] <desrt> or your ISP
[05:58] <Fazer> pestilence: ;)
[05:58] <desrt> since the ubuntu box is fine
[05:58] <stas> where can I back it up to?
[05:58] <desrt> stas; if you've only been installed for 5 hours, just blow it away.  it's easier :)
[05:58] <stas> lol
[05:58] <desrt> or copy to a usb drive or another computer or something
[05:58] <stas> heh aiight
[05:58] <pestilence> Fazer: this channel always has hundreds of people in it, just come back
[05:59] <desrt> the hardest part of the ubuntu install is futzing with partitions.  it's best if you can just say 'erase disk' :)
[05:59] <stas> do you have some ftp space or something I could use for 30 minutes? ;p
[05:59] <geneo93> pestilence:  still the same
[05:59] <pestilence> geneo93: what'd you try
[05:59] <desrt> uh
[05:59] <desrt> is your machine net-accessable?
[05:59] <Fazer> pestilence: Arrr yeah, but you seem to be like more 1-on-1 kinda thing. =(
[05:59] <CygnusX1> Hi.  I need kubuntu to pass its hostname to the DHCP server(IPCOP) on boot.  I cannot figure out where to add this option.
[05:59] <geneo93> pestilence:  reinstalling libsane
[05:59] <stas> net-accessible?
[05:59] <desrt> nm
[05:59] <desrt> i'll make you an account on my speed box
[05:59] <frank> anyone know how to login to webmin???   It says it used my root password to set up an account.  but this is Ubuntu
[05:59] <Primal79> desrt: how about this? i can access my ip address, but not ip address:8888
[05:59] <pestilence> geneo93: *still* no /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf?
[05:59] <Fazer> pestilence: I also have a Wifi card, doubt that would do any work since its owned by MIcrosoft =/
[06:00] <pestilence> Fazer: actually, you are probably wrong
[06:00] <Fazer> pestilence: But I did found a driver for ndiswrapper that can help me out.
[06:00] <desrt> stas; ok. open nautilus
[06:00] <pestilence> Fazer: with ndiswrapper, you can get most wireless cards working with the windows drivers (if it won't work with linux ones)
[06:00] <desrt> actually, just hit alt+f2
[06:00] <desrt> then type in: sftp://stas@manic.desrt.ca/home/stas/
[06:00] <pestilence> Fazer: but not during install...
[06:01] <Fazer> pestilence: yeah =(
[06:01] <desrt> the password is in a private message
[06:01] <stas> ok
[06:01] <robitaille> frank,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo   and search for "webmin"
[06:01] <Fazer> pestilence: One thing I also noticed is that during the install, my USB mouse woul be active but then later on be not working (no red light)
[06:01] <frank> robitaille: thanks!   instant support - gotta love it!
[06:01] <Fazer> so, is that temporary?
[06:01] <stas> sweet thanks
[06:02] <desrt> just toss your crap in there
[06:02] <stas> I need like 1mb of space ;p
[06:02] <stas> Nautilus cannot display "sftp://stas@manic.desrt.ca/home/stas".
[06:02] <stas> arf
[06:02] <desrt> huh.
[06:03] <locomorto> have you tried without the s?
[06:03] <paulproteus> (Nautilus' SFTP GNOME-VFS has never worked for me, for what it's worth.)
[06:03] <desrt> stas; what is your username on your machine?
[06:03] <stas> stas :)
[06:03] <desrt> oh
[06:03] <Fazer> pestilence: Oh and also check this out: http://tuxspot.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_tuxspot_archive.html
[06:03] <desrt> then just say sftp://manic.desrt.ca/home/stas
[06:03] <Fazer> pestilence: That person on the blog has the exact same card
[06:03] <concept10> Ive just booted this ubuntu live cd of the new release and it sucks so much, i cant believe the hype about it
[06:04] <pestilence> Fazer: so, it should work ;)
[06:04] <desrt> stas; work?
[06:04] <locomorto> convept10: how so
[06:04] <concept10> No, just kidding its great
[06:04] <Fazer> pestilence: heh, can oyu read that blog and see how hard it would be to do?
[06:04] <locomorto> good
[06:04] <pestilence> Fazer: i glanced at it, and it doesn't look any worse than any other ndiswrapper install
[06:04] <Fazer> pestilence: But how the hell will I even be getting ndiswrapper to work?
[06:04] <sKarnage> how do you deal with dependencies??
[06:04] <locomorto> i was about to do... evil things
[06:04] <pestilence> Fazer: i don't think it's all that bad.
[06:04] <Fazer> pestilence: Or does it come installed?
[06:05] <locomorto> Fazer what card do you have?
[06:05] <Fazer> locomorto: Wifi card or ethernet card?
[06:05] <Fazer> I need help in both, but right now, the ethernet card.
[06:05] <pestilence> Fazer: it doesn't come installed, but it's not that difficult to install
[06:05] <concept10> I have a question for you guys: this live CD recognizes my wireless chipset, the first distro to do so, how do I enable wireless in ubuntu?
[06:05] <locomorto> ethernet?
[06:05] <locomorto> normally thats the easiest to get setup
[06:05] <virtuald> thunderbird crashes when i try to delete mails :/ what should i do?
[06:05] <femv> cs : pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power
[06:05] <Fazer> locomorto: apparently, not for me.
[06:05] <femv> any idea ?
[06:05] <dbrodie> is there a known problem with some audio card in ubuntu? Because I have an audio card which is supposed to work in linux great, and it seems that the modules are loaded, but nada zilch nothing is coming out
[06:06] <Fazer> pestilence: How do you think I can do that/ I double my USB mp3 player which acts like a hard drive will work with LInux?
[06:06] <locomorto> first
[06:06] <femv> cs : pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power       solution???
[06:06] <locomorto> do you have a latop or desktop?
[06:06] <locomorto> laptop*
[06:06] <Fazer> locomorto: Oh, i have a laptop.
[06:06] <locomorto> centrino?
[06:06] <Fazer> locomorto: Oh, no no, very old.  Thinkpad 600E
[06:07] <Fazer> locomorto: 366 MHz with 160 MB ram.
[06:07] <Fazer> 5 GB hard drive
[06:07] <Fazer> Currently, I am running the very first version of XP with lots o' spyware
[06:07] <Fazer> Thinking of giving Linux a try
[06:07] <geneo93> pestilence:  ok i copied files from mandrake
[06:07] <Fazer> So far, not going so well =(
[06:07] <locomorto> are you using windows XP on the laptop now?
[06:07] <Fazer> locomorto: Correct.
[06:07] <sKarnage> *sigh*
[06:08] <Fazer> locomorto: The main problem I face is during the install, It would fail to autoconfigure the network
[06:08] <Fazer> IT would find the network card I guess, but not do the DHCP configuration
[06:08] <locomorto> what network do you have?
[06:08] <Fazer> locomorto: I am currently directly connected to the Cable.
[06:08] <Fazer> *cable modem
[06:08] <pestilence> geneo93: ok, so *now* you should edit /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf and tell it your libusb device
[06:08] <femv> cs : pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power          heard about it ??
[06:08] <Fazer> locomorto: And on Windows, it says that the IP address is assigned via DHCP.
[06:08] <locomorto> first, turn off windows
[06:08] <geneo93> k
[06:09] <locomorto> then hit the reset button behind the cable modem
[06:09] <locomorto> then try to boot into ubuntu
[06:09] <Fazer> locomorto: Alright, after?  The only machine that I have access to is this laptop =(
[06:09] <pestilence> Fazer: it's possible your mp3 player will show up in linux as a removable drive.
[06:09] <pestilence> Fazer: lots of devices do
[06:09] <Fazer> pestilence: AH, I hope
[06:09] <locomorto> mind does ;) (mp3 player
[06:09] <Fazer> locomorto: Do I hvae to reset the cable modem?
[06:09] <pestilence> Fazer: it's interesting, out of any linux i've ever tried, ubuntu recognizes the hardware i own the easiest...you just plug it in.
[06:10] <Fazer> locomorto; If it works fine with Windows, I don't see whats wrong with it.
[06:10] <locomorto> i sometimes need to do that when switching from windows to linux
[06:10] <Fazer> pestilence: It seems that this network card is pretty cheap.
[06:10] <pestilence> Fazer: but clearly that's not the case with *all* hardware :)
[06:10] <pestilence> Fazer: yes, i think that is the problem
[06:10] <Fazer> pestilence: Haha, yeah, it seems.
[06:10] <locomorto> i think its because they reconginze the mac address of the card diffrently, and the modem does not assign a proper IP accordingly
[06:10] <pestilence> locomorto: that doesn't make sense
[06:10] <Al2O3> hmmmm, ydl = 21, ubuntu = 477...  Tough to choose the IRC winner
[06:11] <pestilence> locomorto: the card has the same mac regardless of what OS you use
[06:11] <locomorto> ok, let me put it this way
[06:11] <pestilence> locomorto: unless he is doing mac cloning
[06:11] <Fazer> locomorto: Hmm...so, reset the cable modem, then turno n th elappy with the install Cd in it?
[06:11] <locomorto> you could not get pass the install?
[06:11] <holycow> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/13/BUG2DC78FN1.DTL  <-- why am i feeling guilty about starting to hate capitalism?
[06:11] <Fazer> locomorto: Eh? I abandoned the install after I was having network confi. problems =/
[06:11] <locomorto> ah
[06:12] <locomorto> well it, and if it fails, just continue anyway (you can always get rid of linux after if you decide you dont want it)
[06:12] <holycow> i'm a capitalist my self through and through, but i find it interesting how i'm trully starting to hate commercial software vendors on levels i never considered before
[06:12] <Fazer> locomorto: Yeah, then I will think about all the time I have wasted =/
[06:13] <locomorto> not really
[06:13] <locomorto> i do alot of stuf ofline in linux
[06:13] <locomorto> offline*
[06:13] <Fazer> locomorto: this is a laptop ;)
[06:13] <Fazer> I use it to browse and listne ot Music
[06:13] <Fazer> speaking of music, yeah, sound card, shits.  That's another issue.
[06:13] <Fazer> But i guess the internet is more important first.
[06:13] <pestilence> Fazer: i'm guessing a thinkpad will have a majority of hardware supported
[06:13] <locomorto> i only have windows for games (its a bit hard to get 3d acceleration with a laptop graphics card in linux)
[06:14] <pestilence> Fazer: especially an old one
[06:14] <locomorto> i do all my word proccessing in linux
[06:14] <zerokarmaleft> it's a damn shame if you can't browse the web with a laptop from the toilet
[06:14] <locomorto> displaying the maths ebook
[06:14] <locomorto> lol
[06:14] <Fazer> locomorto: yeah, heh, thats cool.
[06:14] <Fazer> pestilence: Well, this old thinkpad is pretty useless without its PCMCIA cards =/
[06:15] <locomorto> damn laptop speakers
[06:15] <locomorto> what PCMIA card do you have?
[06:15] <kennethlove> locomorto: i wrote a novel for nanowrimo last year in linux
[06:15] <locomorto> nanowrimo?
[06:15] <Fazer> locomorto: I have a Dynex DX E20 card (ethernet) and a Microsoft MN 720 WiFi .11g card.
[06:15] <Fazer> So the total comes to 2 =) (wee, I can count!)
[06:16] <kennethlove> locomorto: National Novel Writing Month (nanowrimo.org)
[06:16] <Graben> so k7 is the best kernel for athlon-xp right?
[06:16] <locomorto> hmm fro the wifi card go here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2100&sort=8&cat=myprod&page=1
[06:17] <locomorto> except use alien and dpkg to use the rpm
[06:17] <Fazer> locomorto: Holy shits..
[06:17] <locomorto> just do a man alien and man dpkg in the terminal when linux starts up
[06:17] <cens0red> can anybody recommend a good font to use with xchat?
[06:18] <Fazer> locomorto: =( but how will I get those in the first place?
[06:18] <locomorto> you download them in windows
[06:18] <pestilence> locomorto: that looks WAY too complicated
[06:18] <locomorto> first link
[06:18] <Fazer> It would be helpful if I had the PCMCIA ethernet card working.
[06:18] <Fazer> locomorto: How about my find: http://tuxspot.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_tuxspot_archive.html
[06:18] <Fazer> I think that one is pretty cool.
[06:18] <locomorto> "I felt lucky" lol
[06:18] <pestilence> Fazer: this one is probably simpler http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[06:19] <geneo93> pestilence:  still same thing
[06:19] <pestilence> geneo93: what did you put in plustek.conf?
[06:19] <Fazer> heh, all of the solutions require internet access of some sort.
[06:19] <locomorto> hmm could work
[06:20] <locomorto> give it  try
[06:20] <locomorto> anyone here compiled FF in ubuntu?
[06:20] <desrt> ff=firefox?
[06:20] <pestilence> Fazer: how did you get the wired card to work on the livecd?
[06:20] <locomorto> yes
[06:20] <desrt> what's wrong with the shipping version?
[06:20] <pestilence> locomorto: what would compel you to do that?
[06:20] <Graben> cens0red I use bitstream vera sans mono
[06:20] <pestilence> Fazer: my instinct says if you could make it work from the livecd, you can make it work from a full install
[06:20] <cens0red> Graben ta.
[06:21] <locomorto> -O3 and the fact that the ubuntu packages ****ed for me
[06:21] <Fazer> pestilence: I don't think I really got it to work, I was able to get the IP address I guess but Activating Eth0 from the Networking part, but it didn't really owrk since i couldnt ping or anything.
[06:21] <Fazer> Eventhough my card was blinking and the modem activity light also blinking
[06:21] <locomorto> there working now, but its handy to have just in case
[06:21] <geneo93> pestilence:
[06:21] <locomorto> know*
[06:21] <geneo93> pestilence: device libusb:001:002
[06:21] <pestilence> Fazer: strange.  would definitely help to have a second computer there so you could walk through it
[06:22] <Graben> how's it look for you cens0red?
[06:22] <pestilence> geneo93: how about /proc/usb/...
[06:22] <Fazer> pestilence: Damn, I know.
[06:22] <cens0red> Graben errr ... pretty ghastly.
[06:22] <pestilence> geneo93: do you have permissions set properly on those?
[06:22] <Graben> really? what resolution are you at, and what are your font settings?
[06:22] <cens0red> not meaning to start a flame or anything, I'm just slowly getting my head around this new distro.
[06:22] <locomorto> cens0red have you tried the super sweet font guide in the howto section of the forum?
[06:22] <pestilence> geneo93: /proc/bus/usb/001/002
[06:22] <Fazer> pestilence: Btw, when I booted up the Live CD.  The network panel on the top right was showing "lo" as the device instead of eth0
[06:23] <cens0red> locomorto no.
[06:23] <cens0red> should I?
[06:23] <locomorto> yes
[06:23] <Fazer> and how do I use a USB storage device?
[06:23] <pestilence> Fazer: ya, lo is the loopback device.  it won't get you anywhere
[06:23] <locomorto> it might be called something else tho
[06:23] <geneo93> pestilence: ??
[06:23] <Fazer> pestilence: Yes, I then had to enable/activate eth0, which still didn't work but seemed to get the DHCP working fine.
[06:23] <pestilence> Fazer: you plug it in, then you look under "media"
[06:23] <Fazer> pestilence: Ah, simple enough
[06:23] <Graben> I tend to disagree with the guide, I need my font hinting
[06:24] <locomorto> it also comes up on the desktop
[06:24] <cens0red> locomorto ok. lol. I was dubious there for a minute. The name sounded like a sarcy joke.
[06:24] <locomorto> normally
[06:24] <pestilence> geneo93: if you are trying this as a normal user, you need to grant normal users read access to /proc/bus/usb/001/002
[06:24] <pestilence> geneo93: and possibly write access, not sure
[06:25] <geneo93> pestilence:  I WAS USING ROOT
[06:25] <geneo93> opps sorry
[06:25] <cens0red> is the apt howto some where in my doc files? If so, how do I get to it?
[06:26] <Fazer> you know what
[06:26] <Fazer> maybe I can just stick with good ol' windows and just get an ibook
[06:26] <kennethlove> mmmm. ibook
[06:26] <desrt> mmmm. ibook
[06:26] <kennethlove> why would you want to stick with windows, though?
[06:26] <D_F> Ubuntu is awesome.
[06:26] <pestilence> Fazer: a much cheaper alternative is buying a decent ethernet card :)
[06:26] <D_F> I have never seen GNOME look so good.
[06:26] <desrt> D_F; does this mean teamspeak works?
[06:27] <D_F> desrt: Nope :(
[06:27] <desrt> shame.
[06:27] <Fazer> pestilence: Yeah, but I doubt I can use Linux to watch any movie on this thinkpad
[06:27] <cens0red> D_F yeah I kinda like it.
[06:27] <desrt> but ya.  ubuntu is pretty awesome
[06:27] <D_F> desrt: Teamspeak is the only thing stoping me from loving it completely.
[06:27] <Fazer> Linux seems to be more bloated than XP to me
[06:27] <cens0red> I'm a bit annoyed that I can't get mplayer to work though.
[06:27] <pestilence> Fazer: but you can't use windows to do it either
[06:27] <D_F> Fazer: WTF
[06:27] <kennethlove> VLC works on linux. watch whatever you want
[06:27] <desrt> D_F; google around.  maybe someone shares your main.
[06:27] <Fazer> ha ha ha
[06:27] <desrt> *pain.
[06:27] <desrt> kennethlove; use totem.
[06:27] <Fazer> I got VLC on XP, and it was SHIT =(
[06:27] <D_F> desrt: No one seems to, I have googled around.
[06:28] <desrt> kennethlove; if you apt-get totem-xine, totem magically stops sucking
[06:28] <desrt> and if you also apt-get w32codecs, then there's basically nothing on earth that totem won't play
[06:28] <D_F> Or apt-get xine-ui :P
[06:28] <kennethlove> fazer - VLC is a great client. works perfectly here on my ibook and worked on my old linux install (haven't tried it on ubuntu)
[06:28] <D_F> VLC is great!
[06:28] <Fazer> no, no its not
[06:28] <D_F> Has anyone here tried MEPIS?
[06:28] <locomorto> wont let me assign it to uto open files tho
[06:28] <Fazer> the forward seeking thing doesn't work properly
[06:28] <locomorto> so i dont use it
[06:28] <locomorto> auto*
[06:28] <geneo93> Fazer:  i prefer mplayer
[06:29] <Fazer> ah, whichever, we'll see if I can get internet working with tihs
[06:29] <D_F> kennethlove: I find that MEPIS is, well shit. It still has XF86, and the sound is distorted and crap.
[06:29] <cens0red> how do u get mplayer to work, if you're on a p2 celeron?
[06:29] <pestilence> geneo93: so, are you following these instructions
[06:29] <pestilence> # each device needs at least two lines:
[06:29] <pestilence> # - [usb]  vendor-ID and product-ID
[06:29] <pestilence> # - device devicename
[06:29] <Fazer> Should I try Red Hat instead?
[06:29] <D_F> P2 Celeron? Isn't that a contradiction? Pentium 2 Celeron? OK.........
[06:29] <kennethlove> D_F: it ran alright for me. didn't do a lot on it, though. mostly bittorrent and local web testing
[06:29] <geneo93> pestilence:  yes
[06:30] <pestilence> Fazer: i think if it won't work in ubuntu, it won't work in red hat.  but i'm biased
[06:30] <Fazer> hmmm
[06:30] <D_F> kennethlove: Ubuntu has everything exactly how I like it, sound is great, plus no shitty aRts or KDE. If only Teamspeak would work!
[06:30] <cens0red> D_F perhaps. It's actually p3 I just remembered.
[06:30] <Fazer> What is Teamspeak?
[06:30] <kennethlove> D_F: my xmms keeps crashing.
[06:30] <NyanNyanKoneko> D_F I agree, partly.
[06:30] <cens0red> I try and run mplayer and all I get is "Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf Illegal instruction"
[06:30] <NyanNyanKoneko> I love how Ubuntu is set up.
[06:31] <D_F> Fazer: A VoIP program. I've made it work on all distros except Ubuntu.
[06:31] <NyanNyanKoneko> Though I don't dislike KDE or aRts.
[06:31] <D_F> NyanNyanKoneko: Ditto.
[06:31] <kennethlove> cens0red: maybe there's an illegal instruction in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[06:31] <Fazer> D_F: Woah, what makes Ubuntu so special?
[06:31] <D_F> NyanNyanKoneko: I do, KDE is slow and crashes a lot.
[06:31] <Fazer> ...in the case that it won't make Teamspeak work
[06:31] <D_F> Fazer: I don't know, just everything about it
[06:31] <crimsun> cens0red: you don't have a Pentium 4, do you? :)
[06:31] <Fazer> heh
[06:31] <Edgan> kennethlove: haha, illegal instruction in a text file?
[06:31] <cens0red> crimsun heh. no.
[06:31] <crimsun> cens0red: and what do you have?
[06:31] <kennethlove> Edgan: i go by what the error messages tell me. :)
[06:31] <cens0red> And I didn't realise it was the system requirements.
[06:31] <NyanNyanKoneko> KDE just needs a little simplification.  The interface is too bloated.  But some people like that.  =)
[06:32] <cens0red> crimsun a p3.
[06:32] <crimsun> cens0red: then install mplayer-586
[06:32] <geneo93> [usb]  0x05e3 0x0502  device libusb:001:002 two lines
[06:32] <kennethlove> KDE is great for win->lin converts
[06:32] <kennethlove> but after awhile you start to want something simpler
[06:32] <pestilence> geneo93: seems like you've done everything right
[06:32] <D_F> I'm a Win-Lin converter
[06:33] <geneo93> well may reboot will pick it up
[06:33] <kennethlove> yeah, i meant to put the word "recent" in there
[06:33] <D_F> I can't stand KDE. I love XFCE, but GNOME is my favourite after seeing Ubuntu :)
[06:33] <Edgan> Parts of kde are good. I like kmail, and though bloated, konqueror is a better file manager than nautilus
[06:33] <locomorto> i used to prefer KDE over GNOME, but Gnome grew on me
[06:33] <NyanNyanKoneko> Yeah, linux is complicated enough with makefiles and the /etc directory.  ;)  Might as well keep the gui simplified.  ;)
[06:33] <D_F> I like K3b and Ark. That's all.
[06:33] <cens0red> crimsun then it complains that I need to install  libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) and libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0), but that neither are going to be installed for some undisclosed reason.
[06:33] <kennethlove> aKregator
[06:33] <kennethlove> does one thing and does it well
[06:33] <crimsun> cens0red: pass it the correct version
[06:33] <D_F> locomorto: Ditto!
[06:34] <cens0red> crimsun I haven't read the apt howto yet. How do I pass it the correct version?
[06:34] <crimsun> cens0red: in this instance, mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[06:34] <cens0red> crimsun aaah. thanx!
[06:34] <Fazer> ah god damnit man
[06:34] <Fazer> how am I going to get ndiswrapper without internet?
[06:35] <kennethlove> get on your knees with the right person?
[06:35] <cens0red> crimsun same problem I think.
[06:35] <crimsun> cens0red: I presume you have multiverse _and_ universe uncommented?
[06:35] <pestilence> D_F: so what is wrong with teamspeak?
[06:35] <D_F> pestilence: It will not start when I run "TeamSpeak".
[06:36] <pestilence> D_F: works ok for me
[06:36] <pestilence> D_F: don't know what to connect to, but it runs
[06:36] <cens0red> crimsun oh no.... sorry I didn't do the "1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6" bit right.
[06:36] <Primal79> desrt: how about this? i can access my ip address, but not ip address:8888
[06:36] <Fazer> pestilence: So, how do I get ndiswrapper if I can't really do apt-get ?
[06:36] <D_F> pestilence: All I did was extract it, run the installer, and then I try to execute "TeamSpeak", and it's running as a process, but it doesn't come up.
[06:36] <kennethlove> fazer - don't you have a floppy disk?
[06:36] <cens0red> crimsun how did u work out that I needed to insert the "=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6" bit?
[06:36] <pestilence> Fazer: perhaps you could put it on your mp3 player :)
[06:37] <Fazer> sucks =(
[06:37] <pestilence> D_F: have you tried "mv ~/.teamspeak2 ~/.teamspeak2-old
[06:37] <Fazer> ah welp
[06:37] <D_F> pestilence: What would that do?
[06:38] <pestilence> D_F: you might have to do the same with ~/.tsclient
[06:38] <D_F> pestilence: Hold on, I'll boot Ubuntu, BRB.
[06:38] <pestilence> D_F: it would clear your old configuration
[06:38] <crimsun> cens0red: experience.
[06:38] <crimsun> cens0red: that and I maintained the warty backport, which is deprecated.
[06:38] <Fazer> kennethlove: Now I wonder if Linux will support the Thinkpad's external drive =(
[06:38] <Fazer> I wonder if the source of ndiswrapper is big enough to it in a floppy drive.
[06:38] <geneo93> bbiab
[06:38] <cens0red> crimsun aah. The sort of thing I won't get from reading the apt-get howto?
[06:39] <cuga> Can somebody running an nvidia 6600GT vid card tell me the output of cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status ? are you running in 8x ?
[06:39] <Fazer> pestilence: Do you have ndiswrapper installed?
[06:39] <Graben> is there any way to view what is in a tar file without extracting it,  know I could in kde
[06:39] <pestilence> Fazer: not on this machine, no
[06:39] <crimsun> cens0red: perhaps you would. It has been mentioned on ubuntu-users, though.
[06:39] <Fazer> Does it come installed by default?
[06:39] <Fazer> on Hoary?
[06:39] <pestilence> Fazer: sec...i'll tell you how big it is
[06:39] <pestilence> Fazer: i doubt it
[06:39] <Fazer> pestilence: Ah okay.
[06:40] <cens0red> is there going to be an ubuntu newsgroup? I like usenet.
[06:40] <D_F> pestilence: I am back.
[06:41] <cens0red> and is this a good apt how-to for ubuntu http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[06:41] <pestilence> Fazer: ndiswrapper-utils is about 22k :)
[06:41] <epicenter> If I am trying to use mencode for AMD64 what package do I use to install Encrypted DVD support?
[06:41] <pestilence> Fazer: will probably fit on a floppy.
[06:41] <epicenter> I have libdvdread3 but that seems to not be enough
[06:41] <D_F> pestilence: I run ./TeamSpeak and it just sits there doing nothing!
[06:41] <epicenter> it says "ERROR Encrypted VOB file! Read DOCS/HTML/en/dvd.html." But that file doesn't exist.
[06:41] <locomorto> epicenter: libdvdcss2
[06:41] <pestilence> D_F: did you try what i suggested?
[06:42] <D_F> pestilence: Yes.
[06:42] <locomorto> or it could be: libcssdvd2
[06:42] <epicenter> locomorto: No installation candidate
[06:42] <epicenter> neither
[06:42] <Fazer> pestilence: Awesome.
[06:42] <D_F> pestilence: I'll check the log.
[06:42] <locomorto> do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[06:42] <epicenter> pestilence: apt-cache search css |grep dvd reports ONLY libdvdread3 and libdvdread3-dev
[06:42] <D_F> pestilence: No errors at all in the log.
[06:42] <pestilence> epicenter: huh?
[06:42] <D_F> pestilence: TeamSpeak just doesn't come up. What the hell is going on?!
[06:43] <Fazer> so, anyways I think I am going to go play around with the Live CD he, bah
[06:43] <Fazer> hmmm, don't know if I should get Win 2k pro SP4 or Win XP SP2
[06:44] <D_F> pestilence: Argh, this is really annoying!
[06:44] <locomorto> if it was upto me, i woudl get neither
[06:44] <locomorto> would*
[06:45] <Fazer> locomorto: Heh, bah.
[06:45] <pestilence> D_F: Q: I have something to say to the TeamSpeak team
[06:45] <pestilence> A: Please go to the forum and post it there or go to the irc channel at quakenet.org #teamspeak.
[06:45] <epicenter> pestilence: Neither of those packages exist and searching ther apt listings for dvd and css find nothing
[06:45] <D_F> Thank you!
[06:45] <D_F> I'll be on my way there right now.
[06:46] <Fazer> pestilence: So, do you think I should go to the Live CD and type in ifconfig?
[06:46] <epicenter> locomorto: none of those exisrt
[06:46] <epicenter> *exist
[06:47] <pestilence> Fazer: you should several things, but without a net connection it will be difficult.
[06:47] <stas> hi guys
[06:47] <geneo91> pestilence:  now it finds two of the same thing
[06:47] <pestilence> geneo91: ha.  maybe try removing the lines you put in the config file :)
[06:47] <geneo91> k
[06:47] <pestilence> Fazer: you need to see things like "lspci" and  "lsmod"
[06:47] <geneo91> just coment them out
[06:47] <pestilence> geneo91: sure
[06:47] <Fazer> pestilence: Ooh yeah, that rings a bell.
[06:47] <D_F> pestilence: Waiting for an answer now :)
[06:48] <Fazer> pestilence: Can you make me a list in order of what I should do?
[06:48] <locomorto> epicenter, try adding these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file:
[06:48] <pestilence> D_F: good luck with that :)
[06:48] <D_F> Thanks
[06:48] <locomorto> actually
[06:48] <pestilence> Fazer: well, i guess those three commands are a start.
[06:48] <locomorto> just follow this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:48] <Fazer> pestilence: Hmm, alright, I will get to that then.
[06:49] <pestilence> Fazer: wait
[06:49] <Fazer> waiting
[06:49] <pestilence> Fazer: lspci probably isn't going to give you your pcmcia cardinfo
[06:49] <Fazer> When I was in Ubuntu Live, it said my card was a D-Link =/
[06:49] <Fazer> But,....its a Dynex =/
[06:49] <pestilence> Fazer: for that, you need to run ... you guessed it "cardinfo" :)
[06:49] <Fazer> hahha
[06:49] <Fazer> its a command?
[06:50] <pestilence> Fazer: yes
[06:50] <Fazer> i will try to see if I can mount my hard drive and copy the results of those command sinto a text file of some sort.
[06:51] <epicenter> locomorto: what were  those lines?
[06:51] <Fazer> How would I mont my hard drive again
[06:51] <pestilence> Fazer: what kind of partition do you have
[06:51] <Fazer> NTFS
[06:51] <Fazer> oh fucks
[06:51] <pestilence> Fazer: if it's ntfs, don't bother
[06:51] <Fazer> NTFS doesn't work?
[06:51] <Fazer> fucks
[06:51] <pestilence> Fazer: read works
[06:51] <Fazer> fine, then USB player?
[06:51] <pestilence> Fazer: write doesn't
[06:51] <pestilence> Fazer: that would work
[06:51] <Fazer> how do I mount a USB drive?
[06:51] <enz0> has anyone upgraded from warty to hoary?  Since the upgrade, my xmms refuses to work
[06:51] <Fazer> oh wait i don't have to ;P
[06:51] <crimsun> enz0: and the output is set to esound?
[06:52] <pestilence> Fazer: hopefully it will magically appear in the "mounts" folder
[06:52] <Fazer> pestilence: Where is that folder?
[06:52] <pestilence> Fazer: somebody who runs gnome will have to tell you...
[06:52] <pestilence> Fazer: i meant "media"
[06:52] <pestilence> not mounts
[06:52] <Fazer> ooh
[06:52] <geneo91> pestilence: its not responding to scan
[06:53] <enz0> crimsun: doh!  I can't believe it was just the friggin plugin!  I thought I'd tested that.  Thanks!
[06:53] <pestilence> geneo91: http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl?manu=epson&model=1250&bus=any
[06:53] <crimsun> np
[06:53] <Fazer> pestilence: Where do I find it?
[06:54] <pestilence> Fazer: i dunno, i think there is a "my computer"-ish menu.  but i run kde.
[06:54] <Fazer> pestilence: Aaah, okay.
[06:54] <geneo91> nevermind its working
[06:54] <Fazer> pestilence: How would I mount it from the command line?
[06:54] <geneo91> just slow as hell
[06:55] <pestilence> Fazer: you would have to know what device it was
[06:55] <pestilence> Fazer: my camera shows up as /dev/sda1
[06:56] <cens0red> crimsun thanx for that. mplayer seems to be working.
[06:56] <Fazer> aah okay, thanks
[06:56] <Fazer> I will do that.
[06:56] <pestilence> Fazer: so mount /dev/sda1 mymount would do.
[06:56] <epicenter> When I follow the directions of the Wiki to add more repositories I get:
[06:56] <epicenter> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[06:56] <epicenter> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[06:56] <Fazer> but doesnt just doing 'mount /dev/sda1' put it int he desktop?
[06:56] <epicenter> ... are there no files on marillat for AMD64?
[06:56] <pestilence> Fazer: i highly highly doubt it
[06:56] <crimsun> epicenter: there are, but not on his local mirror. See debian.video.free.fr.
[06:56] <Fazer> pestilence: Ah okay, I will figure it out anyways, thanks.
[06:57] <pablo928> Hi. Does anyone know if I can format part of a ntfs partion to ext3 with Gparted?
[06:57] <crimsun> epicenter: though you may find it more suitable to just use the amd64 packages in multiverse.
[06:57] <helio7> crimsun: I'm experiencing an occaisonal crash of my hoary system after upgrading from warty.   I have _not_ uninstalled the nvidia proprietary drivers, and keep hearing conflicting advice.  Would you recommend complete uninstallation or something else?
[06:57] <Fazer> pestilence: btw, do you think I can get ndiswrapper and what not done right from the mp3 player?
[06:57] <crimsun> helio7: err, so you _are_ using 1.0-7174?
[06:58] <pestilence> Fazer: assuming you are able to mount it without issue, then absolutely
[06:58] <helio7> crimsun: what's the command to check that?
[06:58] <pestilence> Fazer: you will need two things:  ndiswrapper-utils, and the windows driver for your card
[06:58] <crimsun> helio7: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[06:58] <pestilence> Fazer: that site you pointed me to seemed to have a working windows driver
[06:58] <Fazer> pestilence: yeah, exactly what I was thinking, do I get the .deb for ndiswrapper?
[06:58] <pestilence> Fazer: that would work
[06:58] <Fazer> then what do I type?
[06:58] <epicenter> crimsun: will multiverse have libdvdcss2?
[06:58] <Nula> how do I add the repository that has kernel sources?
[06:58] <helio7> crimsun: yes  1.0-7174
[06:59] <Fazer> it seems to be 136kb
[06:59] <Fazer> pestilence: This one: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian/ndiswrapper-source_1.1-1_i386.deb
[06:59] <Nula> I'm trying to rebuild the newer intel wireless modules
[06:59] <pestilence> Fazer: no.  get the ubuntu build
[06:59] <crimsun> epicenter: no, you'll need the amd64 mirror of debian.video.free.fr for that
[06:59] <Fazer> pestilence: How...?
[06:59] <pestilence> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[06:59] <epicenter> crimsun: do I need to add that to my sources.list somehow?
[06:59] <epicenter> crimsun: or get the files manually from that site?
[07:00] <Fazer> ah oay, thanks
[07:00] <pestilence> Fazer: then, dpkg -i ndiswrapper-utils*.deb
[07:00] <|QuaD-> developers, any idea when we will see new mono and beagle?
[07:00] <pestilence> Fazer: and follow these instructions, replacing whatever drivers they use with your own
[07:00] <pestilence> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683&highlight=ndiswrapper
[07:01] <cuga> how do you make an msdos bootable floppy disk ?
[07:01] <crimsun> |QuaD-: seeing how there are experimental (testing) mono 1.1.6 debs for Debian, perhaps not too long
[07:01] <pestilence> Fazer: well, maybe you won't need the sed lines :)
[07:01] <helio7> crimsun: yes  i'm using nvidia 1.0-7174 and experiencing occaisonal freeze/lockup/crashes (no cursor movement) what do you recommend?
[07:01] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i am impatient :)
[07:01] <crimsun> helio7: try booting with "noapic"
[07:01] <|QuaD-> do you have the deb mono site?
[07:01] <crimsun> |QuaD-: yes, but they will require much fudgery with Ubuntu
[07:01] <Fazer> pestilence: I think I just need instructions on how to get ndiswrapper installed and working =/
[07:01] <crimsun> |QuaD-: IOW, chance of breaking your current install.
[07:01] <pestilence> Fazer: dpkg -i will do
[07:01] <|QuaD-> tseng was supposedly building ubuntu mono/beagle debs
[07:02] <helio7> booting noapic doesn't disable other functionality crimsun?
[07:02] <crimsun> helio7: not really.
[07:02] <Fazer> pestilence: The link that you just gave me invovles a reboot, I can't do that on a live (non-installed) system.
[07:02] <pablo928> Hi. Does anyone know if I can format part of a ntfs partion to ext3 with Gparted?
[07:03] <pestilence> Fazer: yea, you don't need a reboot
[07:03] <ripgut> can someone point me to a link on how to exactly update my kernel and compile it for ubuntu?
[07:03] <pestilence> Fazer: you can just modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:03] <Fazer> pestilence: Oh, then the lights will be activated and what not?
[07:03] <jnoon> any networking gurus around?
[07:03] <pestilence> Fazer: yup.
[07:03] <crimsun> ripgut: aptitude install build-essential kernel-package linux-tree-2.6.10
[07:03] <helio7> crimsun: um, I need to reboot to get into grub to edit the boot options?  what's the key sequence to edit it?
[07:03] <crimsun> ripgut: then read the make-kpkg man page
[07:03] <Fazer> ah SHIT, I just realized...the wifi router is in the other room!
[07:04] <Fazer> *sigh*
[07:04] <crimsun> helio7: when the grub menu appears on boot, press 'e', then append noapic, then press enter, then press 'b'
[07:04] <helio7> thank you thank you crimsun
[07:04] <crimsun> helio7: well, you'll need to scroll down to the kernel line after you press 'e'
[07:04] <pestilence> Fazer: i thought the whole idea of wifi was that you could be in a different room ;)
[07:04] <crimsun> helio7: err, _before_ you press 'e'
[07:05] <helio7> got it
[07:05] <Fazer> pestilence: haha, yeah, I deactivated and brought the cable modem in my room so I could have the ethernet ... bah, should've also brought that too
[07:06] <pestilence> Fazer: so this makes me curious
[07:06] <pestilence> Fazer: do you do mac address cloning on your laptop?
[07:06] <pestilence> Fazer: or on the wireless router?
[07:06] <Fazer> pestilence: Why would I?
[07:06] <Fazer> I don't even know what mac address cloning is
[07:06] <pestilence> Fazer: because some cable providers only allow access from one mac
[07:06] <Fazer> ooh...
[07:06] <pestilence> Fazer: then, probably not
[07:07] <Fazer> So, what should I do?
[07:07] <ripgut> thnks
[07:07] <pestilence> Fazer: but like i said before, if it works in windows, it should work in linux.
[07:07] <Fazer> yeah
[07:07] <pestilence> Fazer: and even if that were the culprit, i still think you would get a response from DHCP.  it would just be on a reserved subnet
[07:08] <ripgut> i just formatted with ubuntu and need to compile the latest kernel for my p4 cpu
[07:08] <ripgut> anyone can help?
[07:08] <crimsun> ripgut: why do you _need_ to compile it?
[07:08] <Fazer> pestilence: aaah, I see.
[07:08] <Coily> where is the file which tells where the os where the swap partition is stored?
[07:08] <pestilence> ripgut: why do you need to recompile
[07:08] <ripgut> uhm
[07:08] <crimsun> ripgut: why not just install linux-686 ?
[07:08] <Coily> oops i meant
[07:08] <Coily> where is the file which tells the os where the swap partition is stored?
[07:08] <ripgut> im trying to do that
[07:08] <pestilence> Coily: /etc/fstab
[07:08] <ripgut> im a complete noob
[07:08] <crimsun> ripgut: or if you have a HT-enabled one, linux-686-smp
[07:08] <Coily> pestilence, thank you
[07:09] <ripgut> can someone pm me and help me?
[07:09] <Fazer> pestilence: So, I am here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-source, what do I download and put on my USB player ;)
[07:09] <crimsun> ripgut: is your P4 HT-enabled?
[07:09] <pestilence> Fazer: you don't want source.  just get -utils
[07:09] <ripgut> yes
[07:09] <crimsun> ripgut: then just install linux-686-smp
[07:09] <ripgut> its a 3ghz prescott
[07:09] <ripgut> how though
[07:09] <pestilence> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils_0.12+1.0rc2-1_i386.deb
[07:09] <cens0red> gee evolution is quick to boot up in ubuntu. Much more so than in mandrake.
[07:09] <Fazer> Ah, phew thanks
[07:10] <crimsun> ripgut: open Synaptic, Search for linux-686-smp, mark it for installation, then click Apply
[07:10] <ripgut> ok
[07:10] <crimsun> ripgut: then reboot after all that has completed
[07:10] <ripgut> then what
[07:10] <crimsun> ripgut: then nothing.
[07:10] <helio7> crimsun: successfully rebooted having appended noapic to the kernel line (not root or initrd lines right?) it will automatically continue booting as appended in the future?
[07:10] <ripgut> eh?
[07:10] <Fazer> pestilence: Then i type dpkg *.deb ?
[07:10] <crimsun> ripgut: you're set after you reboot.
[07:11] <ripgut> ok :)
[07:11] <pestilence> Fazer: dpkg -i
[07:11] <pestilence> *.deb
[07:11] <ripgut> then i can isntall nvidia drivers right?
[07:11] <Fazer> pestilence: gotcha, -i for install I suppose?
[07:11] <pestilence> Fazer: yes :)
[07:11] <crimsun> ripgut: they're already installed, you just have to enable them. Read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:11] <Fazer> awesome, thanks
[07:12] <robzulah> Has anyone ever successfully installed the KDE package on Warty?
[07:12] <crimsun> helio7: no, it's only active for this booted session.
[07:12] <ripgut> thanks dude :)
[07:12] <helio7> crimsun: how do I make it stick?
[07:12] <crimsun> helio7: you'd have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (put it in the proper section!), then execute ,,sudo update-grub''
[07:12] <pestilence> Fazer: np.  good luck
[07:13] <Fazer> pestilence: one more thing, in this url: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683, do I have to do Step 2?
[07:13] <crimsun> helio7: append it to the commented kopt line
[07:13] <pestilence> Fazer: about extra repositories? no
[07:13] <hondje> Hi. Anyone ever get openGL working with matlab & nvidia?
[07:13] <Fazer> pestilence: Ah, gotcha
[07:13] <pestilence> Fazer: that's was just to get the ndiswrapper package
[07:13] <pestilence> Fazer: which you already have
[07:13] <helio7> crimsun: this one: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[07:13] <helio7> 
[07:14] <crimsun> helio7: yes
[07:14] <geneo91> ok everting working but rio 800
[07:14] <helio7> thanks
[07:14] <Fazer> pestilence: Ah, I see.
[07:14] <Coily> what's the command to check what verison of ubuntu im running?
[07:14] <crimsun> Coily: lsb_release -a
[07:14] <Coily> crimsun, thank you
[07:14] <crimsun> np
[07:15] <helio7>  kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro noapic  (look ok?)
[07:15] <crimsun> helio7: yep
[07:15] <haffe> Hmmm, I have an ntfspartition that spans 2 harddrives (sda1 & sda2) how do I go about to mount these in linux?
[07:15] <crimsun> helio7: wait, no
[07:15] <robzulah> Any idea why when I try to install KDE it tells me: "Depends: *filename* but is not going to be installed" on some files then not install the package?
[07:15] <cens0red> dammit, mplayer isn't working with subtitles.
[07:15] <ripgut> thanks crimsun
[07:15] <crimsun> helio7: _do not_ remove the pound/hash comment marker at the beginning of the line
[07:15] <helio7> ooops
[07:15] <helio7> ok
[07:16] <pestilence> helio7: what's noapic?
[07:16] <hondje> No matlab users?
[07:16] <pestilence> helio7: you mean noacpi?
[07:16] <epicenter> Is there a way to get transcode for AMD64?
[07:16] <epicenter> I can't find it in any repositories.
[07:16] <helio7> pestilence: no it's a boot option for the grubloader
[07:16] <pestilence> helio7: ok
[07:17] <helio7> re-rebooting (=
[07:18] <maxxist> anyone know why my usb logitech elite keyboard stops working after a while in hoary?
[07:18] <Fazer> pestilence: thanks for your help, I will see if the lights go on =)
[07:19] <pestilence> Fazer: np.  good luck again
[07:19] <nickoli> anyone in here
[07:20] <crimsun> no.
[07:20] <Fazer> haha thanks.  ttyl.
[07:20] <nickoli> didnt think so
[07:20] <nickoli> my user list has dissapeared
[07:20] <nickoli> how can i fix this
[07:21] <crimsun> ...user list? As in /etc/passwd ?
[07:21] <nickoli> no my irc user list for this room
[07:21] <nickoli> the sidebar thing
[07:21] <crimsun> that depends on your irc client
[07:21] <nickoli> X-chat
[07:22] <nickoli> dam is there an easier way to get gstreamer
[07:22] <crimsun> gst comes with ubuntu
[07:22] <nickoli> then why cant i play mp3's ?
[07:22] <chazwurth> Has anyone found a solution to the problem of not being able to suspend/resume a laptop using the proprietary Nvidia drivers?
[07:23] <crimsun> nickoli: did you install 'gstreamer0.8-mad' from universe?
[07:23] <epicenter> Is there a way to get transcode for AMD64?
[07:23] <epicenter> I can't find it in any repositories.
[07:23] <nickoli> let me try this again,
[07:23] <ells> nickoli, I have been there
[07:24] <nickoli> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:24] <nickoli> is only available from another source
[07:24] <nickoli> E: Package gstreamer0.8-mad has no installation candidate
[07:24] <crimsun> nickoli: you have to enable universe first.
[07:24] <ells> nickoli: try installing the file with all the gstreamer files and reboot
[07:24] <crimsun> wiki/UniversePackages
[07:24] <nickoli> ahh could have told me this a long time ago
[07:24] <crimsun> nickoli: I did.
[07:24] <nickoli> well i wasnt paying attention
[07:25] <crimsun> I don't think the blame's mine.
[07:25] <nickoli> so how do i enable the universe or w/e
[07:25] <ells> nickoli: lIke I said, I have been there before
[07:25] <crimsun> read the url.
[07:25] <dazed_> sup people
[07:25] <MM2> I tried apt-get dist-upgrade on 2 comps yesterday. Both of them had serious problems :(
[07:26] <nickoli> dam debian apt was so much better
[07:27] <crimsun> nickoli: it's the _same_ apt - actually, Ubuntu's is newer
[07:28] <nickoli> well i want to add my own set of servers
[07:28] <thoreauputic> nickoli: once you enable universe and multiverse, you won't notice any difference
[07:28] <nickoli> this is comparable to when i tried to install gentoo
[07:28] <chazwurth> nickoli: How's doing that any different than in Debian? Edit sources.list, no?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> nickoli: and look at the wiki page for Restricted Formats
[07:29] <nickoli> ok well i just uncommented everything in the list page
[07:30] <dazed_> im so high i want to do something
[07:30] <nickoli> sweet dude
[07:30] <nickoli> Type 'Debian' is not known on line 26 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:30] <chazwurth> nickoli: You might want to take a look at the unofficial starter guide as well ( www.ubuntuguide.org ); I found it helpful as a checklist if nothing else.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> nickoli: you stuffed up, obviously :)
[07:31] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed a bootsplash like from bootsplash.de?
[07:32] <nickoli> omfg f u source list
[07:33] <Echylo> why are you adding debian nickoli
[07:34] <thoreauputic> nickoli: hope you backed up the original... of course, that's atandard practice so I'm sure you did
[07:34] <nickoli> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs its telling me too
[07:34] <thoreauputic> *standard
[07:34] <geneo91> anyone use rioutil
[07:35] <nickoli> omfg kill me
[07:35] <Echylo> what did you do wrong?
[07:35] <nickoli> it cant be done gstreamer non-existent package
[07:36] <geneo91> gstreamer0.8
[07:36] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search gstreamer >> gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:36] <nickoli> not in there
[07:36] <nickoli> and the wiki site no help
[07:36] <thoreauputic> rubbish
[07:36] <thoreauputic> fix your sources
[07:37] <thoreauputic> nickoli: funny, lots of people have done it without any problem - you must be special I guess
[07:37] <geneo91> thoreauputic:  how can i get this to see my usb rio 800
[07:38] <nickoli> thoreauputic yea everything in linux does me over
[07:38] <thoreauputic> geneo91: I have no idea, sorry
[07:38] <geneo91> crimsun:  any ideas
[07:38] <chazwurth> nickoli: may I message you?
[07:38] <nickoli> i dont care
[07:38] <crimsun> geneo91: "rio 800"?
[07:39] <geneo91> yes
[07:39] <geneo91> i have rioutil installed
[07:39] <crimsun> geneo91: I don't know what that is.
[07:39] <crimsun> what either of those are
[07:40] <geneo91> crimsun:  its an mp3's player connects via usb
[07:40] <crimsun> geneo91: ok. I've never used rioutil, so...
[07:40] <MistaED> hey anyone here experienced messing about with a generic aiptek tablet with ubuntu?
[07:41] <MistaED> compiling gaiptek is a nightmare
[07:42] <nickoli> right now im flipping off apt cause i just owned it
[07:43] <geneo91> man for rio is kinda slim
[07:43] <stas> ok good night friends
[07:44] <shad0w1e> ok I replaced all instances of warty with hoary, ran apt-get update, then upgrade. and its stil using the old kernel. any suggestions?
[07:44] <Echylo> you did dist-upgrade ?
[07:44] <shad0w1e> no
[07:44] <crimsun> shad0w1e: did you reboot after you dist-upgraded?
[07:44] <Echylo> do it then
[07:44] <Echylo> :)
[07:44] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: dist-upgrade
[07:44] <Echylo> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:44] <shad0w1e> ah thanks
[07:45] <nickoli> it wont let me do root pswd from a standard account
[07:45] <shad0w1e> wil that also give me a graphical startup screen?
[07:45] <Echylo> no
[07:45] <shad0w1e> ok after doing this update, all my fonts changed
[07:45] <Echylo> do the dist-upgrade :)
[07:45] <shad0w1e> their nicer now..
[07:45] <Echylo> oh
[07:46] <kkathman> shad0w1e: what did you do to get your fonts nicer ?
[07:46] <shad0w1e> apt-get update
[07:46] <shad0w1e> then apt-get upgrade
[07:46] <kkathman> hmm that shouldnt do anything to your fonts tho :)
[07:46] <shad0w1e> (after changing all instances of warty to hoary in sources.lst)
[07:46] <kkathman> oh probably you did a dist-upgrade then
[07:46] <shad0w1e> mind you I'm also talking about using gnome apps under KDE
[07:46] <shad0w1e> n
[07:47] <dazed_> nickoli have u enabled ur repos yet?
[07:47] <pune> hey can anyone help me, I'm trying to install ndiswrapper on Hoary
[07:47] <shad0w1e> dist-upgrade found more packages
[07:47] <nickoli> dazed_ what
[07:47] <kkathman> update only sets up your repositories doesnt do anything else
[07:47] <shad0w1e> even more
[07:47] <shad0w1e> dammit ive been updating for days
[07:47] <shad0w1e> how many updates!
[07:47] <goldfish> lol
[07:47] <Choubaka> shad0w1e: it's broken? :)
[07:47] <shad0w1e> oh btw if you want gnome apps to look better under kde, theres something called qt-gtm
[07:47] <kkathman> shad0w1e: you should only have to update once really now
[07:47] <shad0w1e> or something..
[07:48] <pune> does anyone know anything about ndiswrapper?
[07:48] <kkathman> shad0w1e: and even then if you installed from a 5.04 hoary final, that probably doesnt need much at all
[07:48] <shad0w1e> yes
[07:48] <shad0w1e> im using it
[07:48] <kkathman> pune: I think you have to compile that somehow, but I dont know
[07:48] <shad0w1e> oh let me ask. i am using ndiswrapper
[07:48] <kkathman> its a kernel module I think
[07:48] <shad0w1e> i just updated to hoary
[07:48] <shad0w1e> is it POSSIBLE that i dont need ndiswrapper anymore?
[07:48] <goldfish> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[07:48] <locomorto> yes
[07:49] <kkathman> shad0w1e: probably you dont
[07:49] <locomorto> whata card do you have
[07:49] <shad0w1e> microsoft
[07:49] <goldfish> hah
[07:49] <locomorto> model no
[07:49] <pune> kkathman, well, it's telling me I need to include a shortcut to my kernel
[07:49] <shad0w1e> I did notice when booting uup
[07:49] <shad0w1e> dam i wish i remember
[07:49] <Choubaka> dmesg?
[07:49] <shad0w1e> when i was booting up there was no longer an error
[07:49] <jhdoan> hi does anyone know how to use wine ?
[07:49] <shad0w1e> there always used to be
[07:49] <pune> kkathman, I need to compile it?
[07:49] <jldugger_> shad0w1e, lspci will probably help you remember
[07:49] <goldfish> pune: u can get it in the repositories
[07:49] <jhdoan> do i always need to use command or does it have a gui
[07:49] <locomorto> jhdoan: yes
[07:49] <kkathman> pune: dont know I dont use it
[07:49] <goldfish> *repos :)
[07:50] <jhdoan> locomorto, im trying to get it to work with winamp
[07:50] <locomorto> jhdoan: command
[07:50] <pune> goldfish, how do I do that?
[07:50] <Choubaka> jhdoan: no gui. though you may want to try gfsgl.sf.net :p
[07:50] <jhdoan> it opens and the text looks alittle funny, but when i play music. it crashes
[07:50] <pune> goldfish, the repository setup has changed in hoary
[07:50] <goldfish> pune: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[07:50] <locomorto> try using Beep Media Player (bmp)
[07:50] <goldfish> pune: ah
[07:50] <shad0w1e> unknown device 4325
[07:50] <shad0w1e> could that be it?
[07:50] <Choubaka> beep sucks. :|
[07:50] <Choubaka> it's unstable.
[07:50] <pune> goldfish, ok, I'll try it
[07:50] <locomorto> does not
[07:50] <goldfish> hmmmmm....
[07:50] <locomorto> it is stable for me
[07:50] <kkathman> why not just use amarok, its the same thing almost :)
[07:50] <locomorto> never crashed once
[07:50] <goldfish> amarok is cool
[07:51] <thoreauputic> locomorto: lucky you
[07:51] <dudeman> hey guys i think the tunepimp package does not support mp3 tagging
[07:51] <pune> goldfish, ok, I already have that installed
[07:51] <thoreauputic> locomorto: it crashes and freezes here
[07:51] <jhdoan> the reason i want to use winamp because it supports milkdrop
[07:51] <shad0w1e> by modprobe I used to get 2 errors I believe (during boot)
[07:51] <locomorto> milkdrop?
[07:51] <shad0w1e> I no longer get them
[07:51] <Choubaka> jhdoan: hm
[07:51] <jhdoan> its a visuzlisation for winamp
[07:52] <shad0w1e> its amazing but every update i do, it just runs faster and faster
[07:52] <Choubaka> I doubt you'll get it working.
[07:52] <shad0w1e> first kde to 3.4
[07:52] <locomorto> you could try playing the media with totem then
[07:52] <shad0w1e> then upgrade
[07:52] <shad0w1e> its nuts
[07:52] <shad0w1e> but im not complaining
[07:52] <locomorto> i get a nice visulation with it
[07:52] <shad0w1e> im using an old p2 266 with 192 ram, and its running quite fine now!
[07:52] <kkathman> shad0w1e: I dont understand why you'd be updating so much
[07:52] <locomorto> or you could look for XMMS plugins which work for BMP as well
[07:52] <nickoli> is it difficult to install kde onto ubuntu
[07:52] <[nrx] > shad0w1e, with gnome?
[07:52] <shad0w1e> no kde
[07:52] <Choubaka> nickoli: no.
[07:53] <jhdoan> milkdrop is the shit tho
[07:53] <locomorto> nickoli: no
[07:53] <Choubaka> apt-get install kde
[07:53] <shad0w1e> i got kubuntu-desktop
[07:53] <nickoli> Choubaka i was considering it for some apps
[07:53] <[nrx] > shad0w1e, is it fast enough?
[07:53] <shad0w1e> no
[07:53] <shad0w1e> its getting there, actually...
[07:53] <locomorto> nickoli: you might want to look at kubuntu tho
[07:53] <deFrysk> nickoli, sudp apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:53] <shad0w1e> maybe some more updates!
[07:53] <[nrx] > shad0w1e, thought of xfce4?
[07:53] <Choubaka> hmm
[07:53] <shad0w1e> or fluxbox?
[07:53] <shad0w1e> yes i have
[07:53] <locomorto> nickoli" you dont need to run KDE to run KDE apps
[07:53] <goldfish> pune: well u need to get the driver of your card
[07:53] <shad0w1e> tried them both
[07:53] <kkathman> shad0w1e: what are you updating?
[07:53] <locomorto> you just need some libarys
[07:53] <shad0w1e> right now?
[07:53] <shad0w1e> dist-upgrade
[07:53] <geneo91> deFrysk:  thats not really needed kde is fine
[07:53] <locomorto> the package manager will take care of them
[07:53] <nickoli> locomorto tru
[07:54] <Choubaka> xfce4 is the best.
[07:54] <kkathman> shad0w1e: you only need to dist-upgrade once
[07:54] <goldfish> pune: if you search ubuntu forums, there is a good howto linked in it for ndiswrapper, i used that, cant rememer the link off-hand,
[07:54] <shad0w1e> kkatthman: this is my first time
[07:54] <[nrx] > uses*
[07:54] <Choubaka> I might try KDE though at some point
[07:54] <[nrx] > goldfish, there's also #ndiswrapper on here :)
[07:54] <shad0w1e> wil dist-upgrade upgrade my kernel?
[07:54] <nickoli> Choubaka i used it on mdk
[07:54] <goldfish> kubuntu-desktop seems nice
[07:54] <pune> goldfish, damn't every time I have a problem, i got online, and then it's fixed
[07:54] <kkathman> shad0w1e: ahh ok...well you shouldnt have many updates from now on
[07:54] <Choubaka> but not until I figure out how to make japanese support work.
[07:54] <Choubaka> PROPERLY.
[07:54] <goldfish> [nrx] : hehe didn't know that :)
[07:55] <shad0w1e> of course, development on hoary has stopped
[07:55] <shad0w1e> now its breeze
[07:55] <jerrett> halo
[07:55] <[nrx] > goldfish, :)
[07:55] <goldfish> pune: heh, so it's working? :)
[07:55] <shad0w1e> i mean
[07:55] <pune> goldfish, why won't something actually be broken and i need to fix it
[07:55] <shad0w1e> breezy
[07:55] <Choubaka> I am not going to make any wrapper scripts :(
[07:55] <jerrett> im having a problem installing.. it hangs at "starting pc card services"
[07:55] <goldfish> pune: lol
[07:55] <pune> goldfish, well, i've got ndiswrapper running
[07:55] <goldfish> k
[07:55] <pune> goldfish, i'll probably be back though. lol
[07:55] <pune> goldfish, thanks
[07:55] <goldfish> you fixed it :)
[07:56] <deFrysk> breezy is development and packages are pooring in there (not sure if they are safe to use though)
[07:56] <jerrett> anyone know what could be the problem?
[07:56] <shad0w1e> my card is mn720
[07:56] <shad0w1e> is it natively supported by linux yet?
[07:57] <locomorto> no
[07:57] <shad0w1e> locomorto: positive?
[07:57] <locomorto> yes
[07:57] <shad0w1e> ok so ill leave ndiswrapper in then
[07:57] <shad0w1e> thanks
[07:57] <shad0w1e> Im  using ndiswrapper 1.0
[07:57] <shad0w1e> should i update?
[07:58] <locomorto> i wouldn;t have a clue
[07:58] <locomorto> i dont use it
[07:58] <shad0w1e> ok thanks ill see whats out
[07:59] <kkathman> Im not sure why one needs ndiswrapper?
[07:59] <shad0w1e> to get their wireless cards working on linux without linux drivers, duh
[08:00] <shad0w1e> kkathman: got a better solution?
[08:00] <[nrx] > shad0w1e, there are others out there :)
[08:00] <kkathman> weird...mine works native
[08:00] <zerokarmaleft> is there a way to configure fonts in gnome so east asian characters use a larger size, while english characters use a smaller size?
[08:00] <shad0w1e> for $10 after rebate?
[08:00] <kkathman> I dont think I ever installed anything
[08:00] <cikilin> is normal in the folder Filesystem home to be 7,8 g and the rest of folders 9 g?
[08:00] <[nrx] > kkathman, not all wlan cards' chipsets are supported natively
[08:01] <shad0w1e> its ironic using a microsoft wireless adapter on linux. oh well.
[08:01] <kkathman> ahh ok...kewl
[08:01] <dazed_> goldfish i havent seen u in a while
[08:01] <thoreauputic> kkathman: yours was supported, obviously
[08:01] <shad0w1e> now they own lindspire (lindows) so who knows...
[08:01] <kkathman> yep, guess so...its a standard USB
[08:01] <shad0w1e> i think microsoft is gonna adapt linux core in like 3-4 versions
[08:02] <kkathman> yeah right...you keep thinking that :)
[08:02] <shad0w1e> once linux can really (REALLY) ((REALLY)) run windows apps, microsoft is gonna adapt it
[08:02] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: um - where did you get that information (owning linspire) ?
[08:02] <cikilin> why Filesystem is getting bigger everyday?
[08:02] <chazwurth> Does anyone know offhand how to extend the default timeout on sudo? I'm really not in the mood to read the novel that is the sudoers man page, or try to remember what little I know about EBNF.
[08:02] <shad0w1e> they bought lindows and changed the name to lindspire
[08:03] <locomorto> cikilin sudo apt-get install xdiskspace
[08:03] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: erm, no they didn't
[08:03] <chazwurth> shad0w1e: Microsoft? They don't own Linspire.
[08:03] <locomorto> and then
[08:03] <locomorto> xdiskspace
[08:03] <cikilin> k
[08:03] <shad0w1e> i was so sure..
[08:03] <chazwurth> shad0w1e: The name had to be changed as a result of a lawsuit brought by Microsoft. No ownership of anything changed.
[08:03] <locomorto> xdiskusage*
[08:03] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: well, you were wrong
[08:03] <shad0w1e> i thought they lost the court battle and then just bought it.
[08:03] <shad0w1e> oh
[08:03] <robitaille> chazwurth,  15minutes
[08:04] <thoreauputic> fortunately
[08:04] <duken> how to start up the firewall every reboot system ?
[08:04] <kkathman> thoreauputic: hehe...yeah..like its in M$ interest to go to linux?
[08:04] <shad0w1e> it will be, not yet though
[08:04] <chazwurth> robitaille: Err, yeah, but how do you change the default?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> kkathman: only to close down the company as they so often do
[08:04] <dazed> sup everyone
[08:04] <kkathman> shad0w1e: when you own 95+% of the world's desktops, you kinda dont need to go and get something else :)
[08:05] <shad0w1e> good point, but i stil think their gonna adapt linux
[08:05] <kkathman> thoreauputic: true...buy and kill
[08:05] <shad0w1e> not in the next 5 years
[08:05] <shad0w1e> prob more like 8 years
[08:05] <benplaut> what is the best alternate window manager (easy to install) for Gnome?
[08:05] <kkathman> shad0w1e: why do they need to...they have no motivation lol :)
[08:05] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: it's completely not in their interest
[08:06] <kkathman> benplaut: Gnome IS a window manager
[08:06] <kkathman> well a desktop manager :)
[08:06] <GuruFF> hello! mplayer - alsa - compilation = biiiiiiiiiiiig problem; would anyone help ?
[08:06] <goldfish> dazed: hey, yeah been a bit busy with college projects :)
[08:06] <jerrett> anyone know what could cause it to hang on "starting pc card services" while trying to install?
[08:06] <thoreauputic> kkathman: um, no
[08:06] <kkathman> no what?
[08:06] <thoreauputic> metacity is the curent default wm for gnome
[08:06] <shad0w1e> I think linux may become a real threat
[08:06] <shad0w1e> some day..
[08:06] <robitaille> chazwurth,  Defaults:username    timestamp_timeout=-1
[08:07] <robzulah> Any idea why when I try to install KDE it tells me: "Depends: *filename* but is not going to be installed" on some files then not install the package?
[08:07] <shad0w1e> hmm
[08:07] <chazwurth> robitaille: Thank you very much
[08:07] <thoreauputic> kkathman: gnome has a window manager - so does kde
[08:07] <shad0w1e> my kernel is updating to 2.6.10
[08:07] <robitaille> chazwurth,      Defaults:jim    timestamp_timeout=10        for 15 minutes (in /etc/sudoers)
[08:07] <shad0w1e> why not 2.6.11 ?
[08:07] <kkathman> shad0w1e: linux probably has more of a chance to give mac a run than ms
[08:07] <shad0w1e> mac IS linux
[08:07] <kkathman> thoreauputic: I guess Im misread...sorry...I was thinking desktop manager
[08:07] <goldfish> hehe
[08:07] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: No it isn't.
[08:07] <jerrett> mac is bsd
[08:07] <Amaranth> goldfish: Get out of here. :P
[08:07] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: no again
[08:07] <shad0w1e> grr
[08:08] <shad0w1e> mac is darwin
[08:08] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: Darwin is freeBSD based
[08:08] <kkathman> uhm mac os isnt linux
[08:08] <goldfish> Tiger is out soon. Wonder how it will do.
[08:08] <robzulah> mac is crap
[08:08] <shad0w1e> isnt freebsd really slow
[08:08] <robzulah> though I use mac
[08:08] <shad0w1e> like for personal-use
[08:08] <crimsun> please don't spread FUD.
[08:08] <shad0w1e> better for servers
[08:08] <goldfish> mas ox is cool
[08:08] <shad0w1e> ?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: are you joking?
[08:08] <topyli> shad0w1e: no, freebsd is really fast
[08:08] <Amaranth> Darwin is a Mach kernel with a mix of BSDs on top, mostly FreeBSD.
[08:08] <goldfish> Amaranth: :)
[08:09] <shad0w1e> so why use linux and not freebsd
[08:09] <chazwurth> shad0w1e: Not particularly. It did fine on a 600MHz celeron I installed it on a few months ago.
[08:09] <chazwurth> shad0w1e: Preference.
[08:09] <shad0w1e> as in what
[08:09] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: Good question. Why don't you? :)
[08:09] <topyli> shad0w1e: it's the apps
[08:09] <shad0w1e> they have kde for frebsd
[08:09] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: depends what you want to do
[08:09] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: Not all apps written for linux will work on FreeBSD.
[08:09] <geneo91> i see why it dont work the debs are compiled without libusb
[08:09] <shad0w1e> from what ive been told. bsd works better when under stress, but linux is faster for personal use
[08:09] <chazwurth> shad0w1e: If you have a spare box lying around, install it and play around.
[08:09] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: And afaik the Project Utopia stack is Linux only.
[08:10] <beh> are there any good p2p programs i can install through apt?
[08:10] <topyli> shad0w1e: from what i've been told, buddhism is better than islam. why don't you try some systems and make up your mind
[08:10] <chazwurth> shad0w1e: Broad-brush statements like that tend to be less than accurate.
[08:10] <Amaranth> beh: Apollon for KDE, giFToxic for GNOME.
[08:10] <jerrett> bleh
[08:10] <zenrox> beh, gtk-guntella
[08:10] <benplaut> kkathman: no, Gnome is a desktop environment that uses the Metacity WM
[08:10] <jerrett> so nobody can help me with my installation ? :\
[08:11] <beh> Amaranth: what network is giFToxic on
[08:11] <beh> or use
[08:11] <beh> i mean
[08:11] <kkathman> benplaut: thanks for that clarification...appreciate the knowledge :)
[08:11] <GuruFF> mplayer + alsa = help me please :)
[08:11] <benplaut> no prob'
[08:11] <Amaranth> beh: It can do OpenFT, gnutella, and FastTrack, you just need to get the gift-fasttrack plugin.
[08:11] <chazwurth> jerrett: What problem are you having?
[08:11] <deFrysk> GuruFF, thats not a question
[08:11] <shad0w1e> how many MB is a kernel?
[08:12] <kkathman> benplaut: what WM does KDE use?
[08:12] <jerrett> when i try to install it hangs at "Starting PC Card services"
[08:12] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: depends on the kernel
[08:12] <GuruFF> deFrysk; noone reacts for proper question
[08:12] <shad0w1e> 2.6.10
[08:12] <shad0w1e> im talking about, roughly
[08:12] <benplaut> kkathman: not sure... never looked into it
[08:12] <deFrysk> GuruFF, noonre react to pleas for sure
[08:12] <benplaut> i think they use their own... kwin?
[08:12] <kkathman> benplaut: ahh ok...just was asking...I'd rather get the facts
[08:12] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: depends on what is has compiled and, what compiler was used, what version of the kernel, and what arch it's for.
[08:12] <chazwurth> jerrett: I have no idea, but I'd take a look at the boot options for the install cd.
[08:12] <shad0w1e> im not talking about custom compiled
[08:13] <shad0w1e> lets say , generally
[08:13] <Fazer> pestilence: You there?
[08:13] <_chavo> kkathman, KDE's window manager is called kwin.
[08:13] <Amaranth> Oh, you mean the Ubuntu kernel?
[08:13] <shad0w1e> ubuntu 2.6.10
[08:13] <zerokarmaleft> jerrett, describe your problem
[08:13] <shad0w1e> yeah
[08:13] <jerrett> zerokarmaleft: again? :o
[08:13] <Fazer> pestilence: I don't think I can mount a USB drive.  There's no such thing as /dev/sd*
[08:13] <jerrett> when i try to install it hangs at "Starting PC Card Services"
[08:13] <kkathman> _chavo: thank you for that information...I appreciate that :)
[08:13] <zerokarmaleft> jerrett, i wasn't here, sry
[08:13] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: No idea, check. :P
[08:13] <Fazer> I think my USB port doesnt work with Ubuntu
[08:13] <GuruFF> deFrysk; :) huh maby you are right; i want to have alsa for mplayer, but mplayer during ./configure does not detect alsa, i have alsa running 1.0.5 and just want to know what i'm missing to get it working :)
[08:13] <shad0w1e> when i update my kernel, i still have the option to boot to old one, yes?
[08:13] <crimsun> GuruFF: you need libasound2-dev
[08:13] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: Yes.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: yes
[08:14] <shad0w1e> but everything else is the same?
[08:14] <GuruFF> crimsun; thx<:)
[08:14] <kkathman> _chavo: I like just sitting and reading what comes across the line here...you learn alot
[08:14] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: Yes.
[08:14] <zerokarmaleft> jerrett, are you intalling on a laptop?
[08:14] <shad0w1e> same kde
[08:14] <jerrett> yes
[08:14] <Fazer> Can anyone tell me why my USB mouse or even any other USB device isn't working?
[08:14] <crimsun> GuruFF: keep in mind my mplayer backport has support for it already.
[08:14] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: Only the kernel changes.
[08:14] <deFrysk> GuruFF, that was quick :D
[08:14] <_chavo> Yes you sure do.
[08:14] <Amaranth> shad0w1e: All your apps, all your settings are the same.
[08:14] <crimsun> GuruFF: though I recommend you dist-upgrade to Hoary.
[08:14] <chazwurth> jerrett: I'm finding some stuff with google, I'll let you know if I turn up something promising
[08:14] <jerrett> i found stuff on google, but very little, and none of it was helpfull
[08:14] <shad0w1e> how do ifind out my booted kernel version
[08:14] <crimsun> uname -r
[08:14] <zerokarmaleft> jerrett, are you using any pc cards atm?
[08:15] <shad0w1e> sweet thanks
[08:15] <jerrett> nope, they are all empty
[08:15] <GuruFF> crimsun; can i prv ?
[08:15] <Fazer> so, uh..no
[08:15] <shad0w1e> can I install kde 3.2 and KDE 3.4 together and choose between them?
[08:15] <crimsun> GuruFF: I'd rather keep it in-channel if you don't mind.
[08:15] <goldfish> lol
[08:15] <goldfish> Let's get intimate!
[08:15] <rempresent> has anyone here tried cedega
[08:15] <rempresent> ?
[08:15] <rempresent> is it worth the coin?
[08:15] <goldfish> nope
[08:15] <goldfish> haven't tried it that is
[08:16] <zerokarmaleft> jerrett, how about ctrl-c'ing when it gets to that point in init to see if it'll finish booting?
[08:16] <bur[n] er> it works with warcraft3, but not as fast as it did in windows
[08:16] <shad0w1e> its supposed to play NEW games
[08:16] <shad0w1e> ok thanks guys for your help
[08:16] <bur[n] er> it will also play starcraft
[08:16] <shad0w1e> im gonna reboot and check out my new kernel
[08:16] <rempresent> what about Wo
[08:16] <rempresent> W
[08:16] <rempresent> WoW
[08:16] <goldfish> half life 3 aswell
[08:16] <jerrett> sec, lemme try that
[08:16] <dazed> hows everyone doing today
[08:16] <bur[n] er> goldfish: notice that it is a bit slower in linux than windows
[08:16] <pune> goldfish, ok, I'm back, I knew I would have a problem, anyway, the driver I downloaded is a .exe?
[08:16] <GuruFF> crimsun; this one is really low... u mean some other upgrade then just going to synaptic package manager and pressing 'mark for upgrades' and 'apply' ?
[08:16] <pune> goldfish, did I miss something here?
[08:17] <goldfish> emmmm
[08:17] <goldfish> hold on a second pune
[08:17] <Fazer> omg really?
[08:17] <Fazer> USB isn't working with linux?
[08:17] <Fazer> No dude, totally
[08:17] <Fazer> bummer
[08:17] <Fazer> totally
[08:17] <Amaranth> Fazer: ...
[08:17] <crimsun> GuruFF: use Synaptic to install libasound2-dev
[08:17] <Fazer> finally, i got attentoin!
[08:18] <Amaranth> Fazer: And you're not getting any help from me, either. :P
[08:18] <Fazer> Amaranth: I didn't ask for your help
[08:18] <kkathman> Fazer:  have you tried the unbuntu forums?  Try the search there...might give you answers you need :)
[08:18] <Amaranth> Fazer: 1) Because that was annoying and 2) because I don't know sh!t about USB. :)
[08:18] <GuruFF> crimsun; did that and thanks for that; i'm talikng about upgrading to hoary...
[08:18] <Fazer> kkathman: I don't know, all the other 600E users don't seem to be having problems.
[08:19] <crimsun> Fazer: I presume you've ensured that it (the usb host controller) is assigned an irq?
[08:19] <Fazer> crimsun: I am not sure...
[08:19] <goldfish> pune: what card u got?
[08:19] <Fazer> Shouldn't it automatically do that, atleast in the Live CD?
[08:19] <kkathman> Fazer: Go to the ubuntuforms, click on the hardware section and search for USB...there is a whole list of things there
[08:20] <crimsun> Fazer: that's where I'd start troubleshooting.
[08:20] <beh> how do i know if giFToxic has connected to a network
[08:20] <pune> goldfish, a dell truemobile 1350
[08:20] <goldfish> ah right
[08:20] <jerrett> ctrl c doesnt work
[08:20] <jerrett> totally hung :(
[08:20] <Fazer> kkathman: Uhm, this is for an old Thinkpad
[08:20] <topyli> beh: all your pr0n starts updoading :)
[08:20] <beh> har har
[08:20] <zerokarmaleft> jerrett, wow hrm
[08:21] <Fazer> crimsun: Uhm... I don't understand at all
[08:21] <Fazer> IRQ?
[08:21] <dazed> whats the prob Fazer?
[08:21] <crimsun> Fazer: look in the bios when you reboot and make sure your bios assigns the usb controller an irq
[08:21] <chazwurth> jerrett: someone seems to have gotten around a similar problem by booting with 'linux noapic nolapic' at the boot prompt; dunno if that has anything to do with it; still looking.
[08:21] <crimsun> something like "Enable USB"
[08:22] <jerrett> tried that chazwurth
[08:22] <Fazer> dazed: I don't think USB is workgin at all with Ubuntu
[08:22] <Fazer> crimsun: I am not sure what to do since XP works with it fine.
[08:22] <Fazer> and that this is a Thinkpad
[08:22] <crimsun> Fazer: XP isn't Linux. You should check the bios setting.
[08:22] <Fazer> Thinkpad 600E seems to not have such problems when I search
[08:22] <Fazer> crimsun: i did, the Thinkpad's BIOS is like a Joy-Joy-Happyland thing
[08:22] <Fazer> The BIOS itself is GUI
[08:22] <Choubaka> does Linux even care about the bios? :P
[08:22] <jerrett> trying with disabling pcmcia
[08:23] <Fazer> jerrett: Talking to me?
[08:23] <jerrett> no
[08:23] <Fazer> Oh okay.
[08:23] <bur[n] er> Fazer: how do you know your usb doesn't work?
[08:23] <dazed> i get usb errors when i boot up aswell but my mouse is usb and it works fine and i think my usb cards do too
[08:23] <jerrett> hm that worked
[08:23] <jerrett> i just had to disable pcmcia
[08:23] <cikilin> locomorto:
[08:23] <Choubaka> Fazer: see dmesg
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: if it didn't, it wouldn't boot at all ;)
[08:23] <Fazer> bur[n] er: My USB mouse doesn't work after I boot into the Live CD.
[08:23] <Fazer> Choubaka: Eh?
[08:23] <bur[n] er> hrm... livecd blows ass
[08:23] <bur[n] er> but that's a side note... it should work
[08:24] <Choubaka> run dmesg in console
[08:24] <Choubaka> and look for usb
[08:24] <bur[n] er> Fazer: does "lsusb" show anything?
[08:24] <Fazer> bur[n] er: Yeah well, USB worked fine on the desktop a while ago with Warty
[08:24] <Fazer> Right now, all I have access to is my laptop
[08:24] <Fazer> and I am on XP talking to you guys
[08:24] <Fazer> as my Ethernet won't be detected with Ubuntu
[08:24] <zerokarmaleft> jerrett, /var/log/kern.log have anything interesting to say when it locked up on previous boots?
[08:24] <chazwurth> jerrett: sweet
[08:24] <Choubaka> ah. .p
[08:24] <yfir> dmesg | grep usb might save a little time
[08:24] <Fazer> I checked the Hardware List in Ubuntu
[08:24] <bur[n] er> Fazer: ethernet doesn't work either?
[08:25] <jerrett> i dont have a /var/log/kern.log , its booting of a cd ;o
[08:25] <jerrett> now it's hanging at detecting hardware, please wait
[08:25] <jerrett> bah!
[08:25] <Fazer> bur[n] er: Haha, my PCMCIA ethernet card blinks and the modem shows PC activity but I can't do jack shit.
[08:25] <bur[n] er> install hoary :)
[08:25] <Fazer> fuck THAT, what if it just doesn't work. period?
[08:25] <Fazer> and it says Intel balh blah for the USB thing when I go into the Hardware List thingy, forgot its name.
[08:25] <Choubaka> Then it must be fixed.
[08:25] <topyli> Fazer: at least on warty, the live cd and install system were completely different
[08:26] <bur[n] er> well, it's tough to troubleshoot when you're not booted into it
[08:26] <beh> can someone please tell me how i can get giftd to connect to a network
[08:26] <chazwurth> jerrett: I can't find anything in the forums that seems relevant. I'd keep playing with the boot options; dunno what to tell you.
[08:26] <Fazer> topyli: I tried Warty on my Desktop, it was fine.  I try Warty on my laptop, i get kernel panics during the Live CD boot sequence.
[08:26] <dazed> beh windows or linux?
[08:26] <goldfish> pune: have u got windows?
[08:26] <beh> linux
[08:26] <beh> i have a ui for it
[08:26] <beh> gifToxic
[08:26] <dazed> beh: you have nfs for it?
[08:26] <Fazer> bur[n] er: That won't solve any of my problems sinc ein the Live CD, I have to manually Activate the eth0 shit, it gets my IP address fine, but nothing happens.
[08:26] <bur[n] er> heh... i say it again... get hoary ;)
[08:26] <topyli> Fazer: again, completely different systems
[08:26] <beh> dazed what's that
[08:26] <pune> goldfish, yes, on a seperate boot
[08:27] <beh> dazed i instaled giftd through apt and edited the config
[08:27] <beh> dazed and ran gifToxic
[08:27] <bur[n] er> Fazer: u could set the gateway manually too
[08:27] <dazed> beh: get nfs-common nfs-server nfs-kernel-server , get anything beginning with nfs
[08:27] <bur[n] er> Fazer: route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1  (for example)
[08:27] <Fazer> bur[n] er: Another person a while ago said that it would be pointless
[08:27] <dazed> beh: get it through apt-get
[08:27] <bur[n] er> or just "sudo dhclient eth0"
[08:27] <Fazer> as when I ping something
[08:27] <goldfish> pune: ok, sorry for the delay, if u install the exe on windws, and get the .inf file from where it installs to, thats the file u need
[08:27] <Fazer> it doesn't showing anything for a long while
[08:28] <bur[n] er> so?
[08:28] <pune> goldfish
[08:28] <bur[n] er> btw, why do you want the livecd to work anyway?
[08:28] <cikilin> why Filesystem is getting bigger everyday?help
[08:28] <pune> goldfish, wait, let me try that again, thanks
[08:28] <bur[n] er> i didn't get the initial reason
[08:28] <goldfish> pune: kk
[08:28] <geneo91> crimsun:  i found a newer version of rioutils
[08:28] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed a bootsplash like from bootsplash.de?
[08:28] <beh> dazed synaptic will only let me choose nfs kernel server or nfs user server not both
[08:28] <bur[n] er> BlackLabel: u need to make a custom kernel with bootsplash compiled in
[08:29] <geneo91>  crimsun do i need to remove the old before in compile new one
[08:29] <dazed> beh: it has to let you get both
[08:29] <dazed> i have both right now
[08:29] <stas> hi
[08:29] <beh> dazed what is nfs anyways
[08:29] <stas> how do I assign a global keybinding
[08:29] <stas> in ubuntu?
[08:29] <crimsun> geneo91: more than likely, yes - if the old one was provided by a Ubuntu package.
[08:29] <Fazer> maan this fucking sucks ass
[08:29] <cikilin> helloooooooo
[08:29] <stas> eg ctrl-alt-s to run 3ddesk
[08:29] <Fazer> XP sucks but Linux is just a fucking nightmare
[08:29] <dazed> beh: nfs is the server for linux file sharing...you NEED it
[08:30] <geneo91> crimsun:  yes
[08:30] <crimsun> Fazer: the livecd is by no means identical to the install cd
[08:30] <beh> dazed well i installed kernel server and now i double click user server and it says to be removed kernel server
[08:30] <goldfish> Fazer: When u get it set up, it wont feel so bad.
[08:30] <goldfish> yeah
[08:30] <beh> dazed wont let me do both
[08:30] <cikilin> why Filesystem is getting bigger everyday?
[08:30] <goldfish> try the install cd
[08:30] <Fazer> goldfish: Uh, I need USB first.
[08:31] <dazed> beh let me get into synaptic ill look again
[08:31] <beh> k
[08:31] <crimsun> Fazer: you haven't exactly provided diagnosing aid other than "it's broken, this sucks, ..."
[08:31] <Fazer> crimsun: So...uh, how do you explain this: When I launch the Install CD and shit, my USB mouse just...shuts off.  Is it supposed to do that till the end?  I don't think so...I think it shoud remain "on", right?
[08:31] <benplaut> (i guess i'll ask again) What are good alternate WMs for Gnome?
[08:31] <Fazer> crimsun: Since at the moment, the only PC I have access to is this thinkpad.
[08:31] <Fazer> if I had my desktop on my side, I could be talking to you on it while have my thinkpad ready for "diagnostic"
[08:31] <crimsun> Fazer: post your lspci -v and dmesg to pastebin.com. Use a floppy diskette.
[08:32] <Fazer> A friend of mine told me I have to disable/enable USB Legacy
[08:32] <topyli> benplaut: sawfish, enlightenment are the classics. i think some people use openbox too
[08:32] <Fazer> By going into the BIOS
[08:32] <beh> dazed i need /usr/lib/giFT/libGnutella.la
[08:32] <beh> dazed giftd says it doesnt exist what package has it
[08:33] <beh> nvm its in apt
[08:33] <Fazer> I have no idea where that option is in the Thinkpad
[08:33] <cikilin> is anybody want to help me please!
[08:33] <crimsun> Fazer: it'd be in the advanced or pci options.
[08:33] <dazed> beh: are you using synaptic to get these packages what is this "giftd"
[08:33] <geneo91> crimsun:  there is no makefile
[08:33] <chazwurth> cikilin: What's the problem?
[08:33] <Fazer> crimsun: I checked in every option, its a BIOS that has the ability to be navigated using a mouse
[08:33] <crimsun> geneo91: ...and?
[08:34] <dazed> beh: get nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server
[08:34] <geneo91> well it says to make then cd to debian i would think cd to debian first
[08:34] <benplaut> topyli: i saw "gnome-sawfish" in the repositories, but i am a bit wary of just installing the packages... is this the correct package to install?
[08:34] <beh> .This daemon is the core component of the giFT project, a peer-to-peer
[08:34] <beh> filesharing abstraction layer capable of utilizing multiple networks
[08:34] <beh> simultaneously while providing a single consistent interface to the user
[08:34] <beh> through their preferred giFT client interface. The daemon uses a simple
[08:34] <beh> TCP/IP protocol to interact with the user and is capable of accepting both
[08:35] <beh> local and remote connections depending on configuration.
[08:35] <topyli> benplaut: i guess. then "killall metacity ; sleep 2 ; sawfish" and save your session
[08:35] <Fazer> this is interesting, so this laptop is pretty much a peace of shit!
[08:35] <crimsun> geneo91: I've never used it
[08:35] <Fazer> way to go IBM!
[08:35] <crimsun> geneo91: so it's best if you follow the directions it provides
[08:35] <geneo91> crimsun:  has a makefile am and makefile.in
[08:36] <stas> how do I assign a global keybinding in ubuntu?
[08:36] <stas> eg ctrl-alt-s to run 3ddesk
[08:36] <crimsun> geneo91: is there a README or INSTALL?
[08:36] <chazwurth> Fazer: Have you checked out tuxmobile or linux-laptop?
[08:36] <crimsun> geneo91: generally there would be a ./configure
[08:36] <dazed> beh: well ihave no idea what that is you might need samba if its tcp/ip but if its to linux theres a much easier way using nfs...and u need nfs to share to linux anyway
[08:36] <geneo91> did that already crimsun
[08:36] <Fazer> chazwurth: Hmm...no, No i haven't.
[08:36] <crimsun> geneo91: and there's no Makefile in the top-level?
[08:36] <benplaut> topyli: thanks!
[08:36] <chazwurth> Fazer: http://tuxmobile.org and http://www.linux-laptop.net
[08:37] <chazwurth> Fazer: They may have pages on your particular model
[08:37] <beh> dazed: installed the gnutella lib now i just edit the gnutella conf and giftd will be able to connect to the gnutella network
[08:37] <BlackLabel> could anyone help me adding a bootsplash to my kubuntu box?
[08:37] <chazwurth> Fazer: They have thousands of models listed; you might find something useful.
[08:37] <geneo91> no imlooking at readme following the instructions and it dont have plain makefile
[08:37] <dazed> beh: yes should be able to...
[08:37] <beh> dazed: yeah earlier i didnt have the gnutella lib installed but now i figured it out
[08:38] <dazed> beh: you trying to share to a local network or just gnutella network
[08:38] <beh> dazed: gnutella network
[08:38] <geneo91>         % ./configure [options]  % make % cd debian % sh build_dpkg.sh
[08:38] <dazed> beh: ahh i thought you were trying to share to a linux computer on local
[08:38] <dazed> beh: my bad
[08:38] <beh> dazed no prob
[08:38] <geneo91> thats it crimsun
[08:38] <Fazer> chazwurth: Appreciate your help, but I think apart from my problems, is the damn USB thing..
[08:38] <crimsun> geneo91: so which commands have you already executed?
[08:38] <Cybermagellan> Anyone here update to the Breezy sources?
[08:38] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: yes, why?
[08:39] <Cybermagellan> Are you running Firefox?
[08:39] <bonee>  Breezy sources
[08:39] <chazwurth> Fazer: Could be someone else has run into the problem and solved it already
[08:39] <geneo91> well the make gives me no such file
[08:39] <bonee> how can i make my linux run faster
[08:39] <crimsun> geneo91: in order to execute make, you need to have executed ./configure
[08:39] <Choubaka> What cool does Breezy have? :p
[08:39] <Fazer> chazwurth: googling doesn't return much though
[08:39] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: yes, why?
[08:39] <geneo91> bonee:  loads of memory
[08:40] <Cybermagellan> can you try a website and see if you get it?
[08:40] <geneo91> crimsun:  i have
[08:40] <Choubaka> 512 MB is enough for me. .|
[08:40] <chazwurth> Fazer: Wish I could be more helpful; all I can tell you is that those sites have solved problems for me in the past, no guarantees
[08:40] <thenuke> bonee: use some other desktop than gnome for example
[08:40] <Cybermagellan> cybermagellan.com/Mozilla
[08:40] <Fazer> chazwurth: Yes, I understand and thanks dude.
[08:40] <bonee> what is a good one to use
[08:40] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: it errors
[08:40] <Choubaka> bonee: xfce4.
[08:40] <chazwurth> Fazer: np
[08:40] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: standard php name resolution stuff
[08:41] <geneo91> crimsun:  ok it cant find libusb
[08:41] <Cybermagellan> what are you getting? Because I can't even load it
[08:41] <crimsun> geneo91: so use packages.ubuntu.com to find which -dev package you need to install
[08:41] <Choubaka> bonee: also check that you are running an optimised kernel.
[08:41] <crimsun> geneo91: even better, apt-get build-dep rioutil
[08:41] <Fazer> I shall return tomorrow with the help of the desktop so you guys cna give me commands and I type them on the laptop
[08:41] <goldfish> good luck Fazer
[08:41] <bonee> where can i get that
[08:42] <Choubaka> an optimised kernel?
[08:42] <geneo91> crimsun:  i already installed rioutil before and it was with out any depends
[08:42] <BlackLabel> could anyone help me adding a bootsplash to my kubuntu box?
[08:42] <crimsun> geneo91: but now you're trying to _compile_ it
[08:42] <Choubaka> bonee: run uname -r in a terminal.
[08:43] <crimsun> geneo91: so you need the build-depends installed
[08:43] <Choubaka> and tell me what it says.
[08:43] <geneo91> can i just get libusb
[08:43] <Fazer> goldfish: thanks
[08:43] <bonee> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[08:43] <Choubaka> ok
[08:43] <Fazer> or there's always the Mac OS X that is way better than Linux and Windows!
[08:43] <Choubaka> versy probably not optimised.
[08:43] <Fazer> but that shit costs hell of a lot of money
[08:43] <Cybermagellan> crimsun, can I PM you?
[08:43] <goldfish> os x is cool
[08:43] <Choubaka> bonee: what processor do you have?
[08:44] <geneo91> crimsun:  the one compiled for ubuntu doesn't use libusb
[08:44] <bonee> P4 2.56Ghz
[08:44] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: keep it in-channel, please.
[08:44] <Choubaka> install linux-image-868
[08:44] <Choubaka> err
[08:44] <Choubaka> 686
[08:44] <Cybermagellan> ok, what are you getting when trying to load that page?
[08:44] <chazwurth> Fazer: Eh, overrated. It's too much of a RAM hog, and as much as the GUI is great if you don't know what you're doing, I find it really annoying when I have to use it a lot.
[08:44] <goldfish> Fazer: the live cd is nothing like the install cd, hopefully when u get ubuntu running you'll come to really like it :)
[08:44] <crimsun> geneo91: then use packages.ubuntu.com to find the relevant -dev package
[08:45] <bonee> ???
[08:45] <Fazer> chazwurth: Dislike the Mac OS X?
[08:45] <Burgundavia> goldfish, Fazer the live and install cds are very very similar for a very good reason
[08:45] <chazwurth> Fazer: I don't particularly dislike it, and I recommend it to some people, but I do have some problems with it.
[08:46] <Choubaka> bonee: also, if you have nvidia and want to use the accelerated modules, install linux-restricted-modules-686
[08:46] <Fazer> chazwurth: What are those problems?
[08:46] <Choubaka> oh, btw.
[08:46] <goldfish> yes sorry, what i meant was for example, some problems i had on the live cd i didnt have after installing ubuntu
[08:46] <Choubaka> is that P4 hyperthreading?
[08:46] <bonee> nope
[08:46] <Choubaka> ok. then those are fine
[08:46] <Choubaka> install them
[08:46] <goldfish> crimsun: you get alot of pm requests :)
[08:46] <Burgundavia> goldfish, hmm, what issues?
[08:47] <bonee> where do i get tit
[08:47] <bonee> it
[08:47] <Choubaka> hm
[08:47] <crimsun> goldfish: heh.
[08:47] <chazwurth> Fazer: I find that even though it's easy to figure things out in the GUI, once I get going, I don't get used to it. No matter how much I use it, I feel like it slows me down.
[08:47] <Choubaka> seems like you need to learn how to install packages.
[08:47] <bonee> yep
[08:47] <goldfish> Burgundavia: One was, After I connected to my ethernet, I couldnt run any apps after tha.
[08:47] <geneo91> crimsun:  ok needed libusb-dev
[08:47] <Fazer> chazwurth: Aah, I see.
[08:47] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: see above. I've already closed the page.
[08:47] <goldfish> *that
[08:47] <Choubaka> you can use synaptic or aptitud or apt-get
[08:47] <bonee> apt-get
[08:47] <Choubaka> apt-get install packagename works
[08:47] <Burgundavia> goldfish, that would be a bug. If you have replicate it, report it
[08:48] <Cybermagellan> crimsun, standard php name resolution stuff. How does that help?
[08:48] <goldfish> oh right
[08:48] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: sigh, hang a sec.
[08:48] <bonee> what is the packagename
[08:48] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: join #flood
[08:49] <chazwurth> Fazer: also, although I haven't tracked the numbers, it really seems to eat ram. I'm fine with 512 on Linux; if I were to buy a mac, I feel like I'd have to bump it to a gig.
[08:49] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: why aren't you testing this yourself...?
[08:49] <Cybermagellan> Because the damn page wont load
[08:49] <Cybermagellan> that's why I'm here...
[08:49] <Fazer> chazwurth: No, a recent Windows / FreeBSD convert uses this Mac fine with 512 MB
[08:49] <Fazer> chazwurth: Also note that every OS released gets better and better on older hardware
[08:49] <Choubaka> :)
[08:49] <Fazer> Mac OS X that is.
[08:49] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: I think you'll find more help in the php docs...
[08:49] <Choubaka> bonee: I told you already. :p
[08:49] <chazwurth> Fazer: Maybe it's just the configuration of the macs I use; I don't have any control over them.
[08:49] <Fazer> Linux is just utter gayness.
[08:50] <Cybermagellan> that's all I wanted to know...thanks
[08:50] <Fazer> Linux is fine for the server
[08:50] <Fazer> I use it almost on a day to day basis
[08:50] <Fazer> bah
[08:50] <geneo91> crimsun:  now it stops here make[1] : *** [mp3.lo]  Error 1
[08:50] <Fazer> chazwurth: Do you own a Mac?
[08:50] <crimsun> geneo91: satisfy all the build-dependencies first
[08:50] <Choubaka> 09:44 < Choubaka> install linux-image-686
[08:50] <Choubaka> and linux-restricted-modules-686
[08:51] <chazwurth> Fazer: Nope; I just use 'em 4 days a week
[08:51] <crimsun> Choubaka: (suggest linux-686, that should take care of it all)
[08:51] <geneo91> crimsun:  the only thing it called for i didn't have was libusb-dev
[08:51] <Choubaka> Ah.
[08:51] <bonee> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-868
[08:51] <Choubaka> I didn't know that :)
[08:51] <Choubaka> 686!
[08:51] <jinx``> hi
[08:51] <goldfish> lol
[08:51] <goldfish> hi jinx``
[08:51] <Choubaka> I crrected it, too ;P
[08:52] <bonee> lol
[08:52] <drspin> does anyone know why I am getting "Couldn't initialize HAL" when I log in to X???
[08:52] <Choubaka> bonee: but do as crimsun says
[08:52] <Fazer> chazwurth: Oh, where?
[08:52] <Choubaka> and install linux-686
[08:52] <chazwurth> Fazer: University labs I work in
[08:52] <bonee> i did the linux-image-686
[08:53] <chazwurth> Fazer: And I don't know too much about how they've set up the images, so again, some of the ram issues may have to do with that
[08:53] <Choubaka> do you have nvidia?
[08:53] <bonee> ati 9700
[08:53] <Choubaka> gah. :|
[08:53] <chazwurth> Fazer: I have limited admin rights but haven't had a reason to poke around much
[08:53] <Choubaka> I'm not going to help you with that.
[08:53] <Somebody_> How can I mount a samba share as a normal user? It seems I can only do it as root :(
[08:53] <Choubaka> Not my expertise. :/
[08:53] <bonee> lol
[08:53] <bonee> i hate it too
[08:54] <bonee> but it was free
[08:54] <Choubaka> a GF4 MX is ~free too
[08:54] <Choubaka> and about as powerful
[08:54] <Jimbob> Somebody_: Add "user" to the mount options in fstab.
[08:54] <Choubaka> actually, probably more powerful under linux .D
[08:54] <Fazer> chazwurth: OOh, I see.
[08:54] <Jimbob> Somebody_: (Or just use nautilus to browse to that stuff)
[08:54] <jinx``> if you configure a user to have system administration rights, why must he use sudo and enter HIS password?
[08:54] <bonee> now what do i do after i install that
[08:55] <propagandhi> how do u play windows games under linux
[08:55] <Choubaka> with Wine or Cedega.
[08:55] <Choubaka> Cedega costs money, but plays many more games.
[08:55] <Jimbob> propagandhi: Or "shutdown -r now" (reboot into windows) :-)
[08:55] <Choubaka> Jimbob: ...
[08:55] <MistaED> Somebody_: it's in www.ubuntuguide.org you need umask=0222 in your fstab
[08:55] <Choubaka> He said "under linux"
[08:55] <FreezerX> Jimbob, best answer to that question :-)
[08:55] <geneo91> crimsun:  does build essential have autoconf and automake
[08:55] <Jimbob> Choubaka: Hence the ":-)"
[08:56] <crimsun> geneo91: no.
[08:56] <Choubaka> Jimbob: It didn't work :(
[08:56] <crimsun> geneo91: you'd need to install autoconf and automake1.7
[08:56] <geneo91> oh ok i thought it did
[08:56] <crimsun> geneo91: no.  apt-cache show build-essential|grep ^Depends
[08:56] <crimsun> geneo91: that shows you what it depends on
[08:56] <goldfish> wb dazed
[08:56] <crimsun> or just apt-cache depends build-essential
[08:57] <MistaED> actually, how do you look inside a windows shortcut under linux? half life 2 has some parameters which i forget
[08:57] <Jimbob> jinx``: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:57] <Choubaka> crimsun: doesn't apt-cache depends build-essential work as well?
[08:57] <Choubaka> or rdepends
[08:57] <crimsun> Choubaka: see above.
[08:57] <Choubaka> right.
[08:57] <Choubaka> I missed that completely.
[08:57] <Choubaka> -_-
[08:58] <drspin> MistaED: I think if you just open it in nano as a text file...
[08:58] <geneo91> ok it has autoconf
[08:58] <bonee> BRB
[08:58] <Choubaka> Hmm. Apparently it's possible to play Hl2 under wine :o
[08:58] <drspin> MistaED: but don't quote me
[08:58] <drspin> Choubaka: HL 2 is supported under Cedega
[08:59] <Choubaka> I know.
[08:59] <bonee> i'm back
[08:59] <Choubaka> But apparently someone has made it work under wine too.
[08:59] <crimsun> ->work.
[08:59] <drspin> hmmm nice :)
[08:59] <bonee> ne one have a tight linux snapshot
[08:59] <bonee> dame this shit runs a lot faster
[09:00] <goldfish> hehe
[09:00] <Choubaka> http://www.oliverthered.f2s.com/projects/wine/ :)
[09:00] <goldfish> maybe i shud get me an optomized kernel
[09:00] <Choubaka> :)
[09:00] <jinx``> thx Jimbob
[09:00] <Jimbob> np
[09:00] <MistaED> drspin: i can get a bit of ascii out of it, but not enough to see the parameter
[09:01] <MistaED> also btw, how do i escape out of nano? lol
[09:01] <MistaED> i'm used to vi
[09:01] <drspin> bummer -- see if you can't get a windows resource editor to run iunder wine
[09:01] <geneo91> mp3.c:252: error: structure has no member named `st_mtimespec'
[09:01] <Choubaka> ctrl-x
[09:01] <Choubaka> or hm
[09:01] <Choubaka> that quits it ;p
[09:01] <MistaED> thanks
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone in mumbai, india out here having ubuntu cds ? i would like to buy them...
[09:02] <MistaED> can't you order a cd free from the main site?
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> MistaED: i dont want to wait till june to get the cs
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> s/cs/cds
[09:02] <dazed> y0
[09:02] <MistaED> fair enough
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> MistaED: :)
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> so, no one ? :(
[09:03] <MistaED> i didn't know they're going to take that long
[09:03] <topyli> da_bon_bon: buy a cd online and make copies for the whole town?
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> MistaED: i recd the warty cds on ~29december
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> topyli: why not do the opposite ? buy it from someone who has made the cd for the whole town ? ;)
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> topyli: well, my parents wont allow me to buy it. even tho its damn cheap
[09:04] <topyli> da_bon_bon: brilliant :)
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> from www.linuxbazar.com
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> topyli: :)
[09:04] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: if you have warty cds, what for do you need hoary cds?
[09:04] <topyli> da_bon_bon: but if you can't find anyone, you'll have to be the One
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: i can upgrade, but my "cable" net connection gives me dnld speeds like 2kbps so...
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: i am not on ubuntu ATM
[09:05] <Choubaka> 2kbps :|
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> topyli: right
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: yes
[09:06] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: is that what you normally get elsewhere too?
[09:06] <Choubaka> or is it just the ubuntu mirror?
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka: elsewhere too. if i want more speed, i need to pay more
[09:06] <Xgates> ok here I am again with the QUESTION of the day, who's compiled a successful working kernel in this thing, and I mean stripped down to just your hardware only?
[09:06] <topyli> da_bon_bon: man, i must now be commenting to something you wrote yesterday :)
[09:07] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: ouch :(
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> see, once i get the hoary cds, i can keep on upgrading ...
[09:07] <revelater> how do i play an asf?
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> topyli: not that bad, but i lag a lot on irc
[09:07] <Choubaka> Xgates: I haven't on Ubuntu, since I'm happy with the prepackaged one. But I have compiled lots on Debian
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> revelater: apt-get install xine
[09:07] <Choubaka> Xgates: It's very easy :)
[09:08] <Xgates> bloody thing I have my keyboard support compiled into it, I mean how hard is it to compile keyboard support, LOL, and at bootup at the login prompt the keyboard wont work SO Ubuntu has something funky going on here towards it I still cant figure after 3 days with it
[09:08] <revelater> ok then, maybe i got a corrupt file then
[09:08] <Choubaka> Xgates: I bet it's a user error :p
[09:08] <Xgates> Choubaka: it's easy, LOL ok you strip it all down to just the hardware requirements that ONLY your box needs, and tell me how long it took to get a working kernel
[09:08] <Choubaka> 15 minutes.
[09:09] <Choubaka> excluding compilation
[09:09] <Xgates> Choubaka: I have been running Slackware 5 years and after 3 days I still cant get a 100% working kernel
[09:09] <Xgates> LOL
[09:09] <duken> how to confiure 2 NIC ??
[09:09] <Choubaka> Xgates: Are you sure you know how to configure your kernel? :p
[09:09] <duken> how to configure 2 NIC ??
[09:09] <Xgates> Choubaka: I dont make errors in building kernels, I compiled for 2 years as a living
[09:10] <Choubaka> :P
[09:10] <Xgates> I made a living running a Slackware support site
[09:10] <beh> duken ifconfig in terminal might help
[09:10] <Choubaka> How did you build the  kernel?
[09:10] <Xgates> I didnt make any errors Ubuntu has something funky built into about this
[09:10] <beh> duken: man ifconfig
[09:10] <Choubaka> Xgates: What sources did you use?
[09:10] <Choubaka> ubuntu's?
[09:10] <Xgates> I grabed the 2.6.10 patched source through apt-get
[09:10] <Xgates> then
[09:11] <Xgates> after making the kernel options in --> make menuconfig
[09:11] <Choubaka> I'm sure Ubuntu has nothing to do with this.
[09:11] <Xgates> I ran  --->  make-kpkg clean &&  make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 kernel_image
[09:11] <Choubaka> You're just ovelooking some small mistake. :p
[09:11] <Xgates> then installed the kernel --> dpkg -i kernel-name.deb
[09:12] <Xgates> Choubaka:  DUDE hehe there is no small mistake to compiling support for JUST the keyboard
[09:12] <Xgates> LOL
[09:12] <Choubaka> why did you run make-kpkg clean? why did you want initrd? do you have initrd support in the kernel? :p
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> ok, no one i assume. then i think i will need to buy one :(
[09:12] <Xgates> yes of course there is ram disk support in the kernel with also 'cramfs' compiled in
[09:12] <goldfish> gah
[09:13] <Choubaka> Xgates: yes there can be.
[09:13] <Choubaka> also, hmm...
[09:13] <Choubaka> you just compiled one module?
[09:13] <Xgates> one module?
[09:13] <Choubaka> never mind.
[09:13] <topyli> da_bon_bon: any more local channels/forums/mailing lists you could try? you can't be the only one from around there
[09:13] <Choubaka> I thought you said "JUST for the keyboard"
[09:13] <Choubaka> :p
[09:14] <da_bon_bon> topyli: i am assuming i am...
[09:14] <Xgates> Choubaka: Input device support  is the ONLY section needed to get keyboard support in Linux
[09:14] <Choubaka> What kind of a keyboard is it?
[09:14] <topyli> da_bon_bon: being a pioneer doesn't pay :(
[09:14] <Xgates> These 2 are all that are needed for someone that uses a PS/2 Keyboard
[09:14] <Xgates> [*]  Keyboards
[09:14] <Choubaka> Xgates: I know.
   AT keyboard support
[09:14] <Xgates> thats it
[09:14] <Xgates> simple as that
[09:15] <Choubaka> ...
[09:15] <Choubaka> You're assuming I don't know all this
[09:15] <Xgates> now Im showing you that I know all this
[09:15] <Xgates> hehe
[09:15] <Xgates> :-)
[09:15] <Choubaka> ... :P
[09:15] <ac-id> efnet server anyone?
[09:15] <Xgates> NOW if the distro will not work with the normal kernel support in it
[09:16] <Xgates> then something like some funky FS support, or service support, etc... is built into the system the way it runs
[09:16] <Choubaka> I am still sure you're making a mistake...
[09:16] <Choubaka> Hmm
[09:16] <MistaED> i had a generic ps2 keyboard which worked perfect under 2.4.x, and did not work what so ever under 2.6.x
[09:16] <Xgates> hotplug, crap, and friggin udev sucks too
[09:16] <Choubaka> iirc ubuntu requires inotify.
[09:16] <bonee> what is that menu on the top left side
[09:16] <Xgates> Iused inotify too
[09:16] <bonee> http://de.lunar-linux.org/xfce4/screenshots/2005-01-09-223724_1600x1200_scrot.jpg
[09:16] <MistaED> that keyboard is now dead and forgotten :)
[09:16] <Xgates> but let me look to see if I stil have it inthere
[09:17] <Choubaka> Xgates: did you manage to solve that no-root account prob, btw?
[09:17] <Choubaka> Or rather
[09:17] <Xgates>  [*]  Inotify file change notification support
[09:17] <Xgates> Oh yea got it working
[09:17] <Xgates> I forgot hehe you too?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> bonee, where did you get the background?
[09:17] <Choubaka> how did you solve it? I booted to single user and toyed with /etc/user, group and shadow
[09:17] <Xgates> ok
[09:17] <Xgates> one sec
[09:18] <bonee> i son't have the backgroud
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> topyli: right
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> hey, i ask again, and for last time :( -- anyone from india here having the ubunt ucds ?
[09:18] <Xgates> Choubaka: could you get to init1 running ?
[09:19] <Xgates> Choubaka: if so then you add into --> /etc/passwd
[09:19] <Xgates> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[09:19] <Choubaka> I had to reboot.
[09:19] <Xgates> THEN
[09:19] <Choubaka> I know
[09:19] <Choubaka> That's what I did.
[09:19] <Choubaka> and made the appropriate shadow entries too :)
[09:19] <Xgates> you need to add a root group in /etc/group --> root:x:0:
[09:19] <Xgates> what did you do in /etc/shadow?
[09:19] <Choubaka> Ok. so you did it the exact same way as I.
[09:20] <Choubaka> Xgates: I just copied the root entry over from /etc/shadow- to /etc/shadow
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> topyli: from where ? ;)
[09:21] <Xgates> Choubaka: hmm I dont have any root entry in shadow-
[09:21] <Xgates> hm
[09:21] <Choubaka> I did.
[09:21] <topyli> da_bon_bon: europe. finland
[09:21] <Xgates> I didnt put anything in shadow
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> topyli: ha, maybe 5 to 7 dollars ?
[09:21] <Choubaka> topyli: Oho. Terve. :D
[09:22] <topyli> Choubaka: moro :)
[09:22] <Choubaka> I once mailed a postcard to germany for 1.5 euros.
[09:22] <Choubaka> or something
[09:22] <Choubaka> a cd may cost a bit more :p
[09:22] <MistaED> would anyone happen to know how to make gaim flash when a new message comes?
[09:22] <Xgates> man I just cant figure what the heck is up with why the keyboard wont work on the reboot of that new kernel
[09:23] <da_bon_bon> topyli: thanks for the thought dude, but imo its damn costly, so i will wait for shipit then :)
[09:24] <topyli> da_bon_bon: they're closer to you but they're also busier :\
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> topyli: why ? where are shipit ?
[09:24] <goldfish> Hey, I saw that conversation about optomized kernels earlier, just wondering if anyone knows if there any for pentium M processors?
[09:25] <topyli> da_bon_bon: actually i don't know. they might as well be in europe too
[09:25] <Choubaka> I guess they have many branch offices or something
[09:26] <revelater> xmule quits on me for no apperant reason...
[09:26] <Choubaka> hmm
[09:26] <revelater> couldn't be all the pron i am downloading could it? ;)
[09:26] <revelater> j/k
[09:27] <revelater> i start it up, and a litle while later it just disapears
[09:28] <cowbud> revelater: did you try starting it through a terminal to see if it spits out a error?
[09:29] <topyli> da_bon_bon: letter, max 50 grams, non-european countries: 1.20 EUR. takes more than a week
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> topyli: :) ur postal servie has a website ?
[09:30] <yinyin> a
[09:30] <topyli> da_bon_bon: sure. letter, max 100g, 2.90 EUR. that's not too bad
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> topyli: well, mostly indian post dont have a website :)
[09:32] <topyli> da_bon_bon: they're fighting the web i guess. they want everybody to write real letters :)
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> right
[09:33] <topyli> european post has given in by now
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> :D
[09:34] <int0x> Hi! just wondering if I can get help here
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> int0x: ask dont ask to ask
[09:34] <int0x> great thanks
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> :)
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> bye guys, cya all later :)
[09:35] <int0x> i got an ntfs partitions/drive is it possible to mount/read those files?
[09:36] <int0x> bah, the only the that knew probably left!
[09:37] <FreezerX> int0x, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:38] <revelater> cowbud, doing it right now, waiting for crash
[09:39] <punkass> hello all
[09:39] <revelater> CRASH!!!!
[09:39] <int0x> do you have to login as root to run the root ummm console? i tried from regular user account the 'root terminal' but either i forgot my password or you need to login as the root user
[09:39] <punkass> i am running on a amd64 with a nivida 5900xt and trying to run glxinfo and i get these erors
[09:39] <punkass> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:39] <punkass> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[09:39] <desrt> 2212swws
[09:39] <punkass> and then a whole bunch of Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:39] <punkass> 0x21 24 tc  1  0  0 c  .  .  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
[09:40] <punkass> after it
[09:40] <punkass> any thoughts?
[09:40] <jinx``> int0x http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:40] <punkass> i have the nvidia driver loaded, i even see the white nvidia screen on  boot up
[09:40] <jinx``> very nice website
[09:40] <int0x> i've used debian and su before
[09:41] <punkass> glxgears gives me this: glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[09:41] <revelater> hey, is amule a good program?
[09:41] <revelater> compared to xmule?
[09:42] <topyli> int0x: use sudo and your own password. to get a real root shel, use 'sudo sh' or something
[09:43] <int0x> topyli: so from running the 'root terminal' program or link or whatever should i type my password or the 'root' password
[09:44] <topyli> int0x: if you run the root teminal from the menu, you give your own password in the dialog
[09:44] <topyli> int0x: there's no root password unless you've enabled root yourself
[09:44] <int0x> i didnt enable root but thats what i called the 'privlaged user' i guess
[09:44] <thenuke> umm, what textmode-browser supports IPV6?
[09:44] <int0x> s/i/you,me
[09:45] <int0x> im not logged in as that account though, im logged in as a normal account. and the password for normal account and the privlaged one both dont work on the root terminal
[09:46] <topyli> int0x: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:46] <topyli> int0x: the "priviledged" one is the first user you made. you can add others to the 'admin' group if you wish
[09:47] <RatMan> hi ppl
[09:47] <goldfish> hi
[09:48] <RatMan> im trying to install ubuntu 4.10 and i dont hav a mouse
[09:48] <goldfish> hrmm...
[09:48] <RatMan> and ive tryed mdk and fedors core 3 on the same pc woth the same gear and they work
[09:48] <int0x> so i tried to run sudo -s and it said dave is not in the sudoers file.. does that mean I have to LOGIN as the privlaged user and then run the 'root terminal' or whatever?
[09:49] <RatMan> would it have more mouse drivers in the lastest version of ubuntu?
[09:49] <RatMan> ive got 1 comming
[09:50] <RatMan> any ideas?
[09:50] <Bazzi> RatMan you have no mouse support _at_all_?
[09:51] <RatMan> when i install ubuntu when it come to the x window theres no mouse and thew keyboard is working
[09:51] <RatMan> and mdk and fedora core 3 works witha  mouse
[09:52] <RatMan> and kubuntu works
[09:52] <RatMan> but i have the latest version of it
[09:52] <topyli> sounds buggy
[09:53] <Bazzi> well then regular ubuntu latest version will work as well
[09:53] <Bazzi> kubuntu just has another desktop
[09:53] <lizdeika> hey, what about gimpshop(http://linux.suramya.com/tutorials/Install_GIMPShop/) in universe ?
[09:53] <RatMan> very weird
[09:54] <Bazzi> lizdeika maybe in multiverse rather ;)
[09:54] <lizdeika> whatever :) if only available
[09:55] <RatMan> ok cool ty ive orded the latest cd
[09:56] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:57] <BlackLabel> has anyone had errors installing splashy?
[09:58] <Sp4rKy> what's splashy ?
[09:58] <rundy> Hi, I'd like to know if anyone can tell me the rough size MB/GB of the ubuntu universe and multiverse
[09:59] <Nino> hello, is it possible to install ubuntu directly over network (like with the debian network install without copying data from the cd) with a normal ubuntu install CD?
[09:59] <crimsun> rundy: universe is in the tens of GB.
[10:00] <goldfish> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22523
[10:00] <goldfish> ^^ brainwave reading alarmclock lol
[10:00] <rundy> crimsun, thanks (my isp has an unmetered(free) mirror)
[10:00] <djp> hi all. sorry, asked this question last night but fell asleep and forgot the answer (duh!). How do i add a command to crontab so that a script runs once a day?
[10:01] <crimsun> djp: crontab -e
[10:02] <djp> crimsun: thanks. does that open crontab in an editor?
[10:02] <crimsun> djp: yes
[10:02] <djp> crimsun: gedit or vim?
[10:02] <crimsun> djp: whichever $EDITOR is set to
[10:03] <djp> crimsun: ok, thnaks
[10:03] <djp> thanks even!
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> anyone could explain to me how use gdesklets ?
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> is only a deamon ?
[10:09] <AndyR> mourning ppl
[10:10] <dbrouwer> hi all
[10:10] <dbrouwer> just installed ubuntu, nice
[10:10] <dbrouwer> how can i change the screen resolution? Preferences > Screen resolution does only go to 1024x786, i want (and i can) go higher
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> dbrouwer
[10:11] <Sp4rKy> in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf i u use xorg
[10:11] <dbrouwer> okay, so no graphical front end to do that?
[10:12] <goldfish> you could to a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> i don't think, maybe the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 can do that
[10:13] <cens0red> I need to install gcc so I can compile my own software. Which version should I install?
[10:13] <thenuke> woot, phpsysinfo install apache too :) ?
[10:13] <Bazzi> cens0red install the build-essential packages
[10:13] <goldfish> cens0red: apt-get install build-essential
[10:13] <Bazzi> -s
[10:13] <cens0red> goldfish Bazzi ta.
[10:14] <dbrouwer> upon saving /xorg.conf, i get permission denied, how do i go to root user, i never had to input a root user and root pwd
[10:14] <Bazzi> sudo
[10:15] <Bazzi> sudo vim /foo/xorg.conf
[10:15] <duken> dmesg
[10:15] <duken> ACPI-1138: *** Error: Method execution failed
[10:15] <duken> how to fix it ?
[10:17] <jinx``> anyone some experience with q3 under ubuntu?
[10:21] <Burgundavia> jinx``, yes, why?
[10:21] <Burgundavia> jinx``, you need to kill esd to get it to work
[10:21] <topyli> fragall esd
[10:21] <jinx``> i know
[10:21] <jinx``> i just turned off system audio
[10:21] <jinx``> i mean the gnome sounds
[10:22] <topyli> by unchecking the tickbox? that doesn't kill esd if it's already running
[10:23] <duken> pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME__CRS failure for PNP0c01 <-- what mean its ?
[10:23] <duken> and how to fix it
[10:23] <Sp4rKy> please anybody could help me about gdesklets install ? how install them ?
[10:23] <jinx``> but it runs after a reboot
[10:23] <Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone else trying to use / using breezy know what can be done about the conflict between python2.4-minimal and python2.4 ?
[10:23] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: there is no conflict.
[10:24] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: are you mixing sources?
[10:24] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: nope
[10:24] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: both packages comef rom breezy
[10:24] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: python2.4 and python2.4-minimal both complain about overwriting each other's files
[10:24] <Xgates> anyone used nividia-source and  module assistant?
[10:24] <jinx``> but how many frames do you get with a 472MHz, 192mb ram, gf2mx rig?
[10:24] <Amaranth> Quinn_Storm: It's a known issue.
[10:24] <Quinn_Storm> Amaranth: ok, is there a workaround right now?
[10:24] <Amaranth> Quinn_Storm: Debian's python2.4 and Ubuntu's python2.4 do different things.
[10:24] <Burgundavia> jinx``, you want to run q3 on a 472mhz?
[10:25] <Amaranth> Quinn_Storm: Force python2.4 to install.
[10:25] <jinx``> sure ;)
[10:25] <Quinn_Storm> Amaranth: I see, well both are from breezy, nothing is from debian sources, and ok
[10:25] <Amaranth> Quinn_Storm: breezy is from debian sources....
[10:25] <jinx``> for testing purposes
[10:25] <Quinn_Storm> Amaranth: ah
[10:25] <Burgundavia> jinx``, I get around 90 on a amd mobile 2500+
[10:25] <Amaranth> Quinn_Storm: They just did a huge import from sid
[10:25] <topyli> jinx``: you'll get fragged online :)
[10:25] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: when python2.4 is properly merged, it will be fixed.
[10:25] <jinx``> perhaps i will have a look on performance under windows with this machine
[10:25] <Burgundavia> jinx``, and a radeon 9600 xt
[10:25] <jinx``> and compare
[10:25] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: I see
[10:26] <birger> should I wait with installing openoffice2 in hoary?
[10:26] <jinx``> but it should be equal, right?
[10:26] <crimsun> birger: Hoary is released.
[10:26] <topyli> jinx``: it won't be very good on either :(
[10:26] <birger> crimsun: yes I know, but with Oopenoffice 1.1
[10:27] <topyli> birger: ooo2 is a bit dangerous still
[10:27] <jinx``> i know, for online gaming there is my 2400MHz athlon xp
[10:27] <crimsun> birger: install openoffice.org2 then
[10:27] <birger> all I need from OO2 is the new OpenDocument format
[10:28] <crimsun> you can't cherry-pick that
[10:28] <crimsun> if you want it, you have to grab openoffice.org2
[10:28] <topyli> birger: you'll want a working ooo2 if you convert your documents ;)
[10:28] <topyli> birger: and it doesn't really exist yet
[10:29] <birger> topyli: I know, can't wait till it takes over word .doc though
[10:30] <Quinn_Storm> hmm, that was far less painful than I thought it was gonna be (going hoary -> breezy)
[10:31] <Nino> Is there an official internet mirror with the ubuntu archiv (for install from) ???
[10:31] <lesshaste> does this line mean bayes classifying is not working on my system "debug: bayes: Not available for scanning, only 1 spam(s) in Bayes DB < 200"?
[10:31] <lesshaste>  I don't understand .. I ran sa-learn just before... it said "Learned from 870 message(s) (1025 message(s) examined)" for the spam and "Learned from 2390 message(s) (2578 message(s) examined)." for ham
[10:31] <topyli> Nino: there's no network install if that's what you mean. you need the install cd
[10:33] <Quinn_Storm> bleh, in breezy, I get configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:33] <Nino> topyli: but i want to do a network install? isn't this sarge? debian IS able to do a network install
[10:35] <Nino> hey?
[10:35] <Nino> but i want to do a network install? isn't this sarge? debian IS able to do a network install
[10:35] <selinium> hi all, can anyone recommend a decent ftp server?
[10:35] <Shufla> hello :)
[10:36] <selinium> hello :D
[10:39] <cionuser> HELLO EVERYONE NEED HELP WITH WIRELESS USB ADAPTER INSTALLATION
[10:39] <cionuser> CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME?
[10:39] <goldfish> hrmm..
[10:39] <Bazzi> stop the shouting
[10:39] <goldfish> :)
[10:39] <cionuser> sorry :)
[10:40] <cionuser> anyone has some experience with wireless usb adapters installation?
[10:41] <Bazzi> whats wrong?
[10:41] <Bazzi> not detected? hardware not loaded? connection failed?
[10:41] <cionuser> i letterally have no idea where to start to install my usb adapter
[10:41] <cionuser> it's plugged
[10:41] <Bazzi> oh :)
[10:41] <webtoe> what sort of adapter is it?
[10:41] <Bazzi> does it ship with some sort of linux drivers?
[10:42] <cionuser> sorry kinda noob here with ubuntu i love this so
[10:42] <webtoe> what brand and model number
[10:42] <cionuser> 802.11b 11mbps
[10:42] <cionuser> siemens usb adapter
[10:42] <Bazzi> model#?
[10:42] <cionuser> wll013
[10:44] <cionuser> u there Bazzi?
[10:44] <nachtwind> hi
[10:45] <Bazzi> cionuser http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/news.html
[10:45] <nachtwind> is there someone here wo knows how to apply policy files on Win2k systems while using a SAMBA PDC?
[10:45] <Bazzi> thats the driver you need
[10:45] <cionuser> GREAT BAZZI ROOOOCCKKSSSSSSSSSSS
[10:45] <cionuser> thks dude
[10:46] <Bazzi> cionuser should be in apt. try apt-cache search atmel
[10:46] <Quinn_Storm> agh, I figured it out, breezy installed x86_64 arch files rather than i386 arch files!
[10:46] <Quinn_Storm> is there a way to fix that?
[10:46] <Bazzi> whats the point in installing breezy now?
[10:46] <Bazzi> other than being nuts? ;)
[10:46] <Quinn_Storm> Bazzi: to track the newest updates, and help fix problems
[10:47] <Bazzi> I'd still wait a few days tho :/
[10:47] <Bazzi> till its fully merged
[10:47] <Quinn_Storm> Bazzi: I thought I had, I didn't realize it wasn't
[10:47] <Quinn_Storm> Bazzi: I'll see about downgrading back to hoary
[10:47] <Bazzi> yeah
[10:47] <deFrysk> Bazzi, That makes me "nuts"
[10:47] <Quinn_Storm> Bazzi: once I switch the sources.list back, is there an automated way? or do I just have to go through the packages one by one?
[10:48] <Bazzi> Quinn_Storm I think apt-get dist-upgrade should do it
[10:48] <Quinn_Storm> Bazzi: ok
[10:48] <Bazzi> bbl
[10:49] <nikola> hi, i look 4 something as rainmeter and rainlendarr ... http://www.ipi.fi/~rainy/index.php?pn=projects&project=rainlendar under gnome .. tHX much 4 idea ;)
[10:50] <Quinn_Storm> hmm, dist-upgrade won't allow downgrades...
[10:50] <Amaranth> um, that's why it says upgrade :)
[10:50] <Amaranth> if you want to keep an older version you need to pin it
[10:50] <john__> to pin?
[10:50] <Quinn_Storm> Amaranth: yeah, just trying to find an easy way to go back from breezy to hoary b/c breezy is broken right now
[10:50] <Amaranth> of course it is, all the stuff isn't even _built_ yet
[10:51] <john__> What is to pin?
[10:51] <Quinn_Storm> Amaranth: well I didn't know that :-P
[10:51] <Amaranth> john__: You'll never need to use it. :)
[10:51] <zerokarmaleft> lol
[10:51] <john__> Amaranth: Okay?
[10:52] <nikola> hi, i look 4 something as rainmeter and rainlendarr ... http://www.ipi.fi/~rainy/index.php?pn=projects&project=rainlendar under gnome .. tHX much 4 idea ;) ....
[10:52] <duken> hi i have problem on the boot
[10:52] <john__> What is the problem, duken?
[10:52] <duken> my i'm paste here my log dmesg ?
[10:53] <duken> dmesg |grep pnp
[10:53] <duken> pnp: PnP ACPI init
[10:53] <duken> pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME__CRS failure for PNP0c01
[10:53] <duken> pnp: PnP ACPI: found 12 devices
[10:53] <duken> pnp: 00:0b: ioport range 0x400-0x47f could not be reserved
[10:53] <duken> 
[10:53] <duken> ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050211
[10:53] <duken>     ACPI-1138: *** Error: Method execution failed [\MCTH]  (Node cff2eca0), AE_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT
[10:53] <duken>     ACPI-1138: *** Error: Method execution failed [\OSFL]  (Node cff2e4a0), AE_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT
[10:53] <duken>     ACPI-1138: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.SBRG.PS2M._STA]  (Node cfaf2e80), A
[10:53] <duken> E_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT
[10:53] <duken>     ACPI-0158: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.SBRG.PS2M._STA]  (Node cfaf2e80), A
[10:53] <duken> E_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT
[10:53] <duken> 
[10:54] <Quinn_Storm> AGH, there doesn't seem to be any automated way to fix this!
[10:54] <john__> What is all these numbers? I cannot help. Ask someone else.
[10:56] <julo> hi
[10:57] <julo> I'm trying to upgrade to breezy but get an error when upgrading python:
[10:57] <julo> Compiling python modules in /usr/lib/python2.4 ...
[10:57] <julo> Compiling optimized python modules in /usr/lib/python2.4 ...
[10:57] <julo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:57] <julo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4_2.4.1-1_i386.deb
[10:57] <julo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:57] <julo> Any idea ?
[10:58] <seb128> julo: don't upgrade to breezy ? :)
[10:58] <mutek> wow hello
[10:58] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:59] <Amaranth> breezy packages haven't even finished building yet, jeez
[10:59] <Quinn_Storm> yeah but what for those of us who screwed up and did it?
[10:59] <julo> seb128: too late, now I'm stuck with broken packages...
[10:59] <zerokarmaleft> lesson learned the hard way i guess
[10:59] <Amaranth> force it to install
[10:59] <Amaranth> if you don't know how to do that you shouldn't have starting using breezy
[11:00] <seb128> right, breezy just opens, there is a lot of changes, don't use that if you don't know what you are doing
[11:00] <seb128> you'll have issues to face for no win
[11:00] <julo> seb128: I know what I'm doing: I'm upgrading to the latest version of Ubuntu :)
[11:01] <seb128> ah ah
[11:01] <seb128> for the upgrade issue I don't know
[11:01] <seb128> I've not upgraded to breezy yet
[11:01] <julo> I've never had any problems with hoary when it was the development branch. That's why I thought it would be OK with breezy.
[11:01] <Amaranth> julo: You're upgrading to a half built heavily broken _development_ version of Ubuntu that just opened two days ago and just started building yesterday
[11:01] <seb128> have a look on bugzilla perhaps ?
[11:01] <jinx``> is breezy the next ubuntu version?
[11:02] <seb128> julo: there was no big changes for hoary
[11:02] <Amaranth> seb128: python2.4-minimal replaces an older version of python
[11:02] <Amaranth> seb128: so the two conflict
[11:02] <julo> Amaranth: maybe the developers should have uploaded the packages only when it was possible for users to upgrade.
[11:02] <seb128> k, he didn't copy this part of the error here
[11:02] <jinx``> btw, Amaranth, are you the one with the menu-editor?
[11:02] <seb128> julo: ??
[11:02] <jinx``> great work!
[11:02] <seb128> julo: how are the developers supposed to work ?
[11:02] <Amaranth> julo: Totally non-supported and they upload as they build, automatically.
[11:02] <Amaranth> jinx``: Yeah, thanks. :)
[11:03] <jinx``> but i hope it's not finished yet!?
[11:03] <seb128> julo: the breakages are not made on purpose ...
[11:03] <Amaranth> jinx``: Not even close. Once I get a package of PyXDG from CVS for you guys to use and figure out a workaround for a gnome-menus bug I'll have 0.5 out.
[11:03] <seb128> julo: but breezy is a new branch with a lot of changes, that's a working place, no way to complain about such issues
[11:04] <jinx``> nice ;)
[11:04] <seb128> what gnome-menus bug ?
[11:04] <jinx``> keep on working!
[11:04] <julo> seb128: I'm not complaining, it's just my test machine. I don't have any problem with it to be broken for a few days.
[11:04] <Amaranth> seb128: Let me find the email on the xdg ml.
[11:04] <seb128> julo: <julo> Amaranth: maybe the developers should have uploaded the packages only when it was possible for users to upgrade.
[11:04] <seb128> julo: you are suggesting than they have breaking it on purpose, that's not fair
[11:05] <Amaranth> seb128: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2005-April/006728.html
[11:05] <Xgates> anyone know how you work --> module-assitant?
[11:05] <seb128> Amaranth: I would rather the bugzilla bug for it :)
[11:05] <julo> seb128: no, I'm just saying that they haven't tried not to break it, by uploading all the new packages one after the other.
[11:05] <Xgates> I compiled a kernel now I want to compile the nvidia-kernel-source with this
[11:05] <Amaranth> seb128: hehe, filing now
[11:06] <seb128> julo: your way would takes months, you can't do that
[11:06] <Arnia> Got to find out what file formats they'll be using.
[11:06] <julo> seb128: OK, then I'm sorry :) I shouldn't talk when I don't know what I'm taking about...
[11:07] <seb128> Amaranth: hum, according to the thread that's fixed with the CVS
[11:07] <Amaranth> seb128: Should I file it in ubuntu's bugzilla and let one of you move it upstream?
[11:07] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[11:07] <Choubaka> Trouble.
[11:07] <Amaranth> seb128: For the PyXDG bug.
[11:07] <Amaranth> seb128: the gnome-menus one isn't
[11:07] <seb128> julo: np, but the sooner you made changes the better
[11:07] <Choubaka> beep-media-player and xmms refuse to start.
[11:07] <seb128> Amaranth: k
[11:07] <seb128> Amaranth: fill it upstream rather if you can
[11:07] <Choubaka> They give no error message whatsoever.
[11:08] <Choubaka> I tried stracing them and it seems they can't find a locale.
[11:08] <cens0red> whoah
[11:08] <Choubaka> however, using C or POSIX has no effect.
[11:08] <cens0red> just had a naaazty system freeze.
[11:08] <Cloney> Any good howtos on setting up Ubuntu to use Fluxbox instead of Gnome?
[11:09] <cens0red> i was compiling wine, and everything just froze for ages.
[11:09] <cens0red> I'm still compiling wine.
[11:11] <arkais> hello
[11:11] <cens0red> arkais
[11:11] <goldfish> hey guys, just wondering, I am trying to get xcompmgr working, and i am using xfce, how do i get it to run at startup like you can in gnome?
[11:12] <Choubaka> argh. :(
[11:13] <Choubaka> I feel sad without music.
[11:13] <Choubaka> I guess I'll have to use xfmedia or something. :|
[11:15] <cens0red> arkais really?
[11:15] <cens0red> y?
[11:16] <arkais> yes ;(
[11:16] <Xgates> anyone know how you work --> module-assitant?
[11:19] <arkais> a error , fatal error when i was editing the grub, and when i was rebooting the hoary just down
[11:19] <zerokarmaleft> Xgates, why don't you use kernel-package?
[11:19] <selinium> Anyone here use webmin>
[11:19] <selinium> ?
[11:19] <cens0red> arkais surely there's a way to rescue that.
[11:19] <cens0red> no?
[11:20] <arkais> i dont know
[11:20] <cens0red> I'm no linux expert. But all these people who, say that reinstalling is a wuss's way out
[11:20] <Xgates> zerokarmaleft: no this was to compile the nvidia source I needed is all
[11:20] <Xgates> I got it
[11:20] <cens0red> *all these people who are
[11:21] <Xgates> :-)
[11:21] <Xgates> --> nvidia-kernel-2.6.10-5-k7_1.0.7174-0ubuntu2+2.6.10-34_i386.deb
[11:21] <Xgates> :-)
[11:21] <simonf> arkais: can you get a grub prompt?
[11:21] <arkais> i dont know
[11:21] <arkais> im newbie
[11:21] <Amaranth> when you boot can you hit esc and get a menu?
[11:22] <Amaranth> it'll have when to hit esc, you only have a couple seconds
[11:22] <arkais> i can try
[11:22] <Quinn_Storm> agh, ok, I think I got all the packages, waiting to see if its enough...unfortunately you can't get the "compressed size" info from dpkg-query otherwise I'd use that b/c the breezy packages report 0 for it
[11:22] <arkais> well i have to go
[11:22] <cens0red> arkais go to ubuntuforums.org
[11:22] <cens0red> and ask abouit it there.
[11:23] <Choubaka> hm :(
[11:23] <Choubaka> I am clueless.
[11:23] <Choubaka> Why is localegen not generatign a proper en_GB.UTF-8 locale.
[11:23] <mutek> selinium: I;ve installed the tar.gz in a custom dir, now rock!
[11:24] <selinium> mutek: I have just installed from synaptic. I need to set it up, any pointers?
[11:25] <selinium> mutek: never used it before!
[11:25] <julo> seb128: I fixed my problem with python by using dpkg -i --force-overwrite. But now I guess python2.4 and python-minimal are conflicting, aren't they ?
[11:26] <Quinn_Storm> julo: its b/c breezy isn't ready yet...I'm manually downgrading back to hoary myself
[11:26] <seb128> julo: that's what Amaranth said to you before
[11:26] <mutek> selinium: it's very simple, just untar it, then sudo setup.sh it enter until you reach the password field then login into https://localhost:10000 with admin as username
[11:26] <julo> seb128: I know, I know. My question is simply: should i remove any of those 2 packages now ?
[11:26] <mutek> selinium: sorry...hit enter I mean
[11:26] <seb128> julo: no, just let that this way
[11:27] <selinium> mutek: where do I need to run  sudo setup.sh ?
[11:28] <mutek> selinium: into the untarred dir, before move the dir into a locationat your discrection (rename it if you need) the open a terminal ad go
[11:28] <mutek> selinium: the untarred dir is the installed dir (ala Bundles)
[11:29] <julo> Thanks seb128 and Amaranth. Have a nice day !
[11:31] <selinium> mutek: I am new to linux! Ambitious aren't I! So I don't know where synaptic put it all!
[11:32] <zerokarmaleft> anybody else here tried meebey's experimental 1.1.6 mono .debs?
[11:34] <mutek> selinium: you're welcome. ok now download this webmin from sourceforge:
[11:34] <mutek> selinium: http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/webadmin/webmin-1.200.tar.gz
[11:34] <mutek> selinium: here you start
[11:35] <epicenter> I am trying to use AMD64 Hoary and i386 Hoary to run my 32-bit apps.
[11:35] <epicenter> I have the 2 on separte partitions
[11:36] <snowblink> samba question: Do I need to create accounts on the samba server, or can people just use their NT logons?
[11:36] <epicenter> When I do linux32 chroot /mnt with the 32-bit partition mounted on /mnt ..
[11:36] <epicenter> then tyr to run an app .. I get weird effects or crashes
[11:36] <epicenter> e.g. a GLX or SDL app makes the screen black yet doesn't crash it
[11:36] <epicenter> and I can't tell what the hell is happening
[11:36] <dbrouwer> i changed xorg.conf to set my resolution to 1280x1024, but upon restarting xserver i still only get 1024x768 how do i get my resolution to be 1280x1024?!!!?
[11:37] <epicenter> running Cedega chrooted to 32-bit gives me 'invalid path . given for "-- use-dos-cwd".  What the hell did I do wrong?
[11:37] <goldfish> dbrouwer: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:37] <dbrouwer> no, let me do that
[11:37] <goldfish> hrmm.... has anyone played with hdparm ?
[11:37] <Xgates> how come when I install linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 it doesnt make a symlink for initrd.img and vmlinuz in / ?
[11:37] <goldfish> just reading about it on the forums here
[11:37] <Sauron21> could any one tell e of a good program to burn   .img   files in?
[11:38] <goldfish> k3b ?
[11:38] <Sauron21> cant...
[11:38] <Sauron21> k3d burns only .iso files....
[11:38] <selinium> mutek: the install in synaptic is webmin-1.180-2. If i need to run  'sudo setup.sh' or do I just uninstall everything and start again?
[11:40] <mutek> selinium: first download the tar.gz, the uninstall from synaptic the webmin you mean, then extract the new webmin from the tar.gz, open a shell, go into the new webmin and tipe sudo setup.sh
[11:40] <selinium> mutek: ok
[11:47] <epicenter> Could someone please help me out with chroot?
[11:48] <PMode> I'm running hoary (after dist-upgrade) and it seems that nautilus doesn't work due to a misconfiguration (Can't get a context menu on the desktop, nautilus in a terminal doesn't work).
[11:50] <mutek> PMode: try before to add a new user and check it's nautilus
[11:51] <mutek> epicenter: k
[11:51] <epicenter> I have an AMD64 install on /dev/hda7 and an i386 one on /dev/hda6
[11:51] <epicenter> I need to run some 32-bit programs in /dev/hda6
[11:52] <epicenter> when I try to chroot to it with linux32 chroot /mountpoint I get weird errors and crashes
[11:52] <epicenter> never actual programs .. running. :P
[11:52] <epicenter> SDL or GLX programs give a black screen and freak out, cedega crashes with weird errors, etc.
[11:53] <Quinn_Storm> bleh I have to rebuild my entire build system -.-
[11:54] <Quinn_Storm> nevermind
[11:54] <mutek> epicenter: sorry I've a i386 only
[11:54] <epicenter> :P
[11:55] <bassMonkey> I would like to switch to the k7 kernel from the 386 becouse I can't get all my ram to work, will the nvidia driver work after this and if not what do I need to do?
[11:55] <mutek> epicenter: but an iBook 12'' too but it's not the 64bit you mean
[11:55] <epicenter> yeah
[11:56] <PMode> mutek: the newly created user has a working nautilus. I can't logout on the old user as well.
[11:57] <Bug-E> that's why you use the binaries
[11:57] <mutek> PMode: to not waste your time, just save your data, destroy your user and add a new one reimporting your sensible data, it's a problem closed to gconf and gnome settings
[11:57] <Bug-E> compiling from source is for people who have too much cpu cycles and too much time on their hands...
[11:57] <Bug-E> :-)
[11:57] <cens0red> Bug-E suppose you want the bleeding edge?
[11:58] <Bug-E> heh
[11:58] <Bug-E> i prefer stability over functionality, personally...
[11:58] <Bug-E> i hate having to troubleshoot broken apps/libraries
[11:58] <mutek> Bug-E: and too much needs to use old hardware
[11:58] <Bug-E> that's why i love ubuntu  :)
[11:59] <PMode> mutek: this user is the primary user. do I get root access via sudo afterwards?
[12:00] <selinium> mutek: When it insalled it grabbed the original setup, so I am back where I started. How do I uninstall the package? then I will wipe all references and strat again!
[12:00] <cens0red> bassMonkey I can only advise you to seek solace in the Lord.
[12:00] <selinium> stmutek: start even!
[12:00] <mutek> selinium: not at all
[12:00] <cens0red> or go to ubuntuforum.org and ask your question there. That's another option.
[12:00] <Choubaka> Hm.
[12:01] <mutek> PMode: add a new user, the go into /etc/sudoers and add it into the list as root is
[12:01] <oxygene_> I have strange problem with apache. Instead of show me index.html show me some randomname.phtml and browser wants to download it. Any ideas?
[12:01] <selinium> mutek: how do i un-install webmin?
[12:02] <cens0red> permissions?
[12:02] <cens0red> the dir should chmod 755
[12:04] <syltty> Does the default hoary install include libgtk1.2 ?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> syltty, no idea, what do you need it for?
[12:09] <PMode> mutek: sorry for bothering you. a reboot solved the problem. maybe and old nautilus process was the problem.
[12:13] <cens0red> does dpkg -S only search for files in packages that are installed locally? Or does it search all repositories as well?
[12:13] <tim_> Hi all! How I can get russian  in XMMS?
[12:14] <Nino> hi, in the file sources.list what is the hoary-security thing ??? # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:15] <syltty> Burgundavia: I'm making install instructions for my program and I'need to know if libgtk1.2 is installed in default hoary install
[12:15] <corp> what's test best way to setup ubuntu/windows dual boot?
[12:15] <petemc> install ubuntu after windows
[12:15] <Nino> corp: this is done by the installer (GRUB boot loader)
[12:15] <tim_> 2cens0red: it search in installed packages
[12:15] <Nino> hi, in the file sources.list what is the hoary-security thing ??? # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:16] <corp> nino: so i should install hoary first?
[12:16] <corp> with a partition set for windows
[12:16] <corp> then install windows?
[12:16] <Choubaka> corp: no.
[12:16] <Amaranth> Nino: hoary is stable, it'll only get security updates
[12:16] <cens0red> syltty dpkg -l |grep -i libgtk
[12:16] <Amaranth> Nino: They come from there.
[12:16] <Cloney> Alternatively, you can add Ubuntu to the Windows boot menu, but that involves a reasonable amount of jiggery pokery each time you rebuild your kernel.
[12:16] <cens0red> syltty $dpkg -l |grep -i libgtk
[12:16] <Choubaka> You should install windows first and reserve space for Ubuntu
[12:17] <corp> chou, windows is already installed
[12:17] <corp> do i have to reinstall? or can i "shrink" the partition
[12:17] <Choubaka> corp: hmmm
[12:17] <Choubaka> can the ubuntu installer shrink ntfs?
[12:18] <corp> heh
[12:18] <syltty> cens0red: yes I know that. But I can't remeber did I install it or was it installed by the Ubuntu installer
[12:18] <Nino> Amaranth: yes, but the docu in the file tells me to uncomment
[12:19] <cens0red> syltty damn. My first real chance to help somebody! lol.
[12:19] <tim_> corp: Use PartitionMagic for resize/shrink partition
[12:19] <syltty> cens0red: Do you have that package installed (libgtk1.2) ?
[12:19] <Choubaka> syltty: hm.
[12:19] <cens0red> syltty it's on my freshly installed build of ubuntu, and I didn't ask for it to be there. So I guess it must be installed by default.
[12:19] <Choubaka> Why not just tell them libgtk1.2 is required?
[12:20] <corp> tim: thanks
[12:20] <Nino> Amaranth: yes, but the docu in the file tells me to uncomment
[12:20] <Nino> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.../ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:20] <Choubaka> and how to install it in case it's not installed?
[12:20] <Nino> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.../ubuntu hoary main universe
[12:20] <syltty> cens0red: thanks for the info
[12:20] <Nino> but it says nothing about the security.ubuntgu.com things...
[12:20] <corp> PM is not free is it
[12:20] <cens0red> is there a clipboard manager for gnome?
[12:20] <Nino> Amaranth: do i have to uncomment the rest, too?
[12:20] <Amaranth> Nino: So uncomment the security line.
[12:20] <Choubaka> Nino: those are the security repos
[12:20] <Choubaka> uncomment them too
[12:20] <corp> so i can't install windows after linux?
[12:21] <syltty> Choubaka: well I was going for simple install instructions...
[12:21] <Choubaka> It's more difficult.
[12:21] <Choubaka> syltty: what's difficult with "apt-get install libgtk1.2"?
[12:22] <Choubaka> the user can do that even if the package is already installed.
[12:22] <syltty> Choubaka: absolutely nothing :)
[12:22] <Choubaka> it won't hurt :)
[12:22] <Nino> Amaranth: ok, they should update the docu of these files... it is rather unclear. also internet archives should be activated by default!
[12:22] <tim_> cort: yes! what bootloader are you want to use?
[12:22] <Choubaka> How many Finns on this channel btw? Until now I have identified two!
[12:22] <MattJ> lol, i just downloaded the ep of veronica mars, nice to see ubuntu be talked about on tv
[12:22] <Amaranth> Nino: If you install from CD I think it leaves it commentted so it'll still work without internet access.
[12:23] <Amaranth> Nino: Did you have an internet (broadband) connection setup when you installed? That might be why too.
[12:25] <Nino> Amaranth: i installed from CD. in fact i would prefere to do a complete net install but the ubuntu CD refused to get the stuff from a archive mirror from the internet :/ (in expert mode) something must be wrong with the installer of the hoary CD. is this sarge?
[12:25] <Huey> is there an "official" place to install third-party software that doesn't have a debian package?
[12:26] <epicenter> caphuso: That worked great! But how do I run a binary in the chroot that isn't a global like 'mozilla-firefox'?
[12:26] <epicenter> like /home/user/foo/bar
[12:26] <Amaranth> Huey: Whereever it drops it, basically. But use checkinstall (apt-get this) and instead of running 'make install' run 'checkinstall'
[12:26] <Amaranth> Huey: It'll create a deb so you can use apt and dpkg to uninstall it later.
[12:26] <corp> all i need from windows is photoshop. is there a way to run it under linux?
[12:26] <rrfsh> hello, i have a provblem. i wnat to connect to the internet with my nokia which is connect with ps via bluetoth but it doesn't work , it gave this problem: he pppd daemon died unexpectedly!
[12:26] <rrfsh> Exit status: 1
[12:26] <rrfsh> See 'man pppd' for an explanation of the error codes or take a look at the kppp FAQ on %1
[12:26] <Huey> Amaranth:  i don't mean things built from source, i mean third-party stuff like matlab
[12:27] <Amaranth> or
[12:27] <Amaranth> err, oh
[12:27] <goldfish> Can anyone recommend a good audio file splitter ?
[12:27] <goldfish> I want to split up some mp3's.
[12:27] <Amaranth> i guess just where ever it goes.
[12:28] <Huey> isn't there some official place like /usr or /usr/local or something?
[12:28] <rrfsh> hi huery,  a have a problem
[12:28] <rrfsh> can u help me please?
[12:28] <jr_G-man> audacity is a good audio manipulator...give it a try
[12:29] <rrfsh> he pppd daemon died unexpectedly!
[12:29] <rrfsh> Exit status: 1
[12:29] <rrfsh> See 'man pppd' for an explanation of the error codes or take a look at the kppp FAQ on %1
[12:30] <Amaranth> goldfish: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ ?
[12:30] <Amaranth> oh, someone beat me to it
[12:30] <Nino> ok, next thing. Control Center Network Settings in KDE refuses to accept an IP for the Default Gateway and it also refuses to accept an IP for the DNS for my just plugged in PCMCIA ethernet card. pinging another pc (by IP) works. Why is this?
[12:30] <goldfish> I'll take a look thanks Amaranth.
[12:30] <Amaranth> goldfish: Thank jr_G-man :)
[12:30] <goldfish> oh thanks jr_G-man :)
[12:30] <TFP> hi
[12:31] <goldfish> didn't notice :)
[12:32] <rrfsh> hi goldfish
[12:32] <goldfish> hello
[12:32] <rrfsh> can u hel me ?
[12:32] <Nino> Amaranth: can you help me with this?
[12:32] <Eleka> somebody spanish?
[12:32] <rrfsh> goldfish i have a problem with
[12:33] <Amaranth> Nino: Did it ask your for your password before it started?
[12:33] <corp> eleka: no soy pero estoy en espaa :)
[12:33] <Nino> Amaranth: yes. It also accept the IP of the network adapter.
[12:33] <_aSeSiNo_> hi all
[12:34] <Amaranth> Nino: No clue then.
[12:34] <jr_G-man> np
[12:34] <Nino> Amaranth: where can i edit the conf by hand for a pcmcia?
[12:34] <jr_G-man> but, thank Amaranth for providing the link :)
[12:35] <Amaranth> jr_G-man: But we install apps with apt-get. :)
[12:35] <Amaranth> Nino: Also no clue, I use DHCP.
[12:35] <Nino> ic
[12:35] <Amaranth> Nino: And GNOME. :)
[12:35] <Amaranth> For Kubuntu help you should really ask #kubuntu
[12:35] <jr_G-man> true...which is how i installed...
[12:35] <jr_G-man> but a homepage link is always valuable
[12:37] <_aSeSiNo_> hi all
[12:38] <Eleka> somebody can help me with my soundcard? I listen it, but its sound is very bad
[12:39] <Eleka> hola _asesino_ xD
[12:39] <MistaED> what is it, eleka?
[12:39] <Eleka> a Realtek soundcar
[12:39] <Eleka> soundcard
[12:40] <MistaED> also, can anyone tell me how to make a deb package? i have all the files set out
[12:40] <_aSeSiNo_> hi Eleka
[12:40] <_aSeSiNo_> como vas jejeje
[12:40] <MistaED> hmm, you could try apt-get alsamixerconf
[12:40] <_aSeSiNo_> Eleka, ke le pacha a tu soundcard
[12:40] <MistaED> then try it, i found it to be a decent gui to configure sound
[12:41] <Eleka> pues que nosouena _asesino_, la detecta, pero no suena bien
[12:41] <Somebody_> Where's the system mail, and root's mail kept?
[12:42] <_aSeSiNo_> ok
[12:42] <_aSeSiNo_> a ver
[12:42] <goldfish> emmm
[12:42] <_aSeSiNo_> let see
[12:42] <testing> I just booted the live cd at school and therefore I don
[12:42] <testing> don't know very much about the hardware.
[12:42] <goldfish> Anyone that used audacity, is libmp3lame.so available anywhere in the repos?
[12:43] <testing> The screen has only 60Hz. How can I change it?
[12:43] <testing> It should support 85Hz at 1024x786.
[12:48] <MistaED> ok i really need some help here: i have a dir with a control.tar.gz, a data.tar.gz and a debian-binary
[12:48] <MistaED> how do i combine it into a deb?
[12:48] <MistaED> can i simply make a tar of it all and rename it to deb or..?
[12:48] <liable> testing: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[12:48] <testing> liable, will try
[12:50] <Burgundavia> MistaED, deb is far more complicated than that
[12:51] <liable> Somebody_: /var/mail
[12:51] <testing> liable, it says: not installed
[12:51] <liable> testing: using xorg i spose?
[12:51] <Zomb> hi
[12:51] <Zomb> anyone using screen?
[12:51] <Zomb> for some reason I get ^? for Backspace in curses apps
[12:52] <Zomb> but not in readline based ones
[12:52] <testing> liable, just downloaded the file off of the homepage. i don't know which i'm using.
[12:52] <liable> testing: same thing but xorg instaed of xfree86, dunno dont have it
[12:52] <testing> liable, it works
[12:52] <Zomb> no matter what I set as TERM (xterm, urxvt, screen)
[12:52] <liable> testing: what works
[12:53] <Huwge> MistaED: check out http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ for info on building debs
[12:53] <testing> liable, the command. i'm running the configure-stuff right now.
[12:54] <liable> testing: oh, ok
[12:58] <fullets> is it possible to use the 'connect to server...' menu item to connect to a samba server as a non-anonymous user?
[12:58] <fullets> i just get logged in anonymously
[12:58] <fullets> i think the problem is that the server will log you in anonymously if you supply a correct username and no password
[12:58] <Zomb> fullets:  what about adding user@ before the server name?
[12:59] <Zomb> Into the URL I mean
[12:59] <fullets> and there is no textfield in the dialog for a password
[12:59] <fullets> Zomb, I can enter the username ok
[12:59] <scizzo> fullets: well it asks for the User Name: in the Windows share
[12:59] <fullets> it just won't let me enter a password
[01:00] <scizzo> fullets: is the share public or something?
[01:00] <scizzo> fullets: does it require password or not?
[01:00] <fullets> scizzo, both
[01:01] <MistaED> i'm pretty much just repacking a cedega deb package which supports x86-64
[01:01] <fullets> scizzo, if you want write access you must supply a valid username and password
[01:01] <MistaED> isn't there a way to just inject these tar.gz replacements then?
[01:01] <fullets> if you don't supply a username, or you supply a valid username and no password, you get read only access
[01:02] <mattgy> hi. I'm installing a copy of ubuntu on a compaq laptop and the installer isn't detecting any existing partitions.
[01:02] <murrayc> Is there already a new unstable ubuntu branch?
[01:02] <InitMass> does a computer be connected to internet when installing hoary from a cdrom?
[01:02] <mattgy> there are existing ext3, reiserfs and ntfs partitions there that I don't want to kill.. any ideas?
[01:02] <InitMass> *has to be connected
[01:03] <locomorto> no
[01:03] <locomorto> mattgy: sudo apt-get install gparted
[01:03] <scizzo> fullets: sounds like the share is accessible with guest or something
[01:03] <fullets> indeed
[01:04] <l33txp> is there somewhere i can go to get like a guide to ubunto??
[01:04] <mattgy> locomorto: that's a little tough when I'm running the installer and don't have an system yet. :)
[01:04] <scizzo> l33txp: www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[01:04] <fullets> what i think is happening, is that it's trying to authenticate without a password before it prompts me for one
[01:04] <locomorto> ah
[01:04] <locomorto> just use manual partioting
[01:04] <fullets> which means it succeeds as guest
[01:04] <l33txp> what other internet browswers are avaliable?
[01:04] <locomorto> everything for *nix
[01:05] <fullets> i'm just wondering if there's some way to force it to ask for a password
[01:05] <locomorto> galeon, kounquer
[01:05] <scizzo> l33txp: ummm...
[01:05] <mattgy> locomorto: yes, but it doesn't detect any partition table. it says there's a 40gb free-an-clear drive there with no partitions, when in fact a bootable xp and debian system are on multiple existing partitions.
[01:05] <scizzo> l33txp: firefox, mozilla, galeon, epiphany, etc
[01:05] <kzm> Have they stopped updating Hoary?
[01:05] <scizzo> l33txp: your choice
[01:05] <locomorto> odd
[01:05] <mattgy> locomorto: yeah. a bug with parted? the installer? hmmm..
[01:05] <kzm> I know it's released, but surely there are more bugs to be ironed out?  Do I need to update sources.list?
[01:05] <scizzo> l33txp: apt-cache search <itemtosearchfor>
[01:05] <l33txp> nice.. i'm very new to linux..
[01:05] <locomorto> get system rescue CD and boot up qt_parted
[01:06] <Quinn_Storm> ok, ubuntu trm package...it doesn't support looking up mp3?! when'd that happen?
[01:06] <mattgy> locomorto: ok, will try. on this west african 128kbps link. :( thanks, though.
[01:06] <scizzo> Quinn_Storm: that is standard
[01:07] <scizzo> Quinn_Storm: its a restrictedformat
[01:07] <Quinn_Storm> scizzo: until recently, trm worked w/ mp3
[01:07] <locomorto> its only 100mb or so
[01:07] <locomorto> so just leave it on overnight
[01:08] <l33txp> ok.. now stuff for linux.. which distribution do I download for??
[01:08] <scizzo> Quinn_Storm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:08] <scizzo> Quinn_Storm: trm_
[01:08] <scizzo> Quinn_Storm: trm? even
[01:08] <Quinn_Storm> scizzo: its part of musicbrainz lookups
[01:09] <Huey> is there a way to mount nfs shares with nautilus?
[01:09] <Huey> by mount, i mean with the gnome-vfs layer, not officially mounting
[01:10] <scizzo> Quinn_Storm: I don't have trm here
[01:11] <scizzo> Quinn_Storm: using normal gstreamer stuff
[01:11] <Quinn_Storm> scizzo: its not part of gstreamer, its part of libtunepimp / musicbrainz
[01:12] <karltk> I was wondering what tricks I have to do in order to get printing working properly. I've started /etc/init.d/cupsys, it listens to port localhost:631, but when trying to connect to this port (say, by printing from kdf, using konqueror or even telnet), it just hangs. Any ideas?
[01:12] <kzm> Anybody know what the function "bonobo_activation_activate_from_id" does?
[01:12] <l33txp> Guys.. how do I get my ATI video and nForce platform drivers on here???
[01:12] <corp> hello. how can i repair broken packages?
[01:13] <scizzo> corp: try to use apt-get -f install
[01:13] <scizzo> corp: not apt-get -f install package
[01:13] <scizzo> corp: just apt-get -f install
[01:13] <scizzo> corp: but that depends on the broken package
[01:14] <corp> i was triyng to install KDE
[01:14] <corp> and in mid-download, gnome died
[01:14] <b00gie> hello
[01:15] <b00gie> ehm... is there any way to verify ubuntu disk?
[01:15] <scizzo> corp: ok?
[01:15] <l33txp> Guys.. how do I get my ATI video and nForce platform drivers on here???
[01:15] <scizzo> l33txp: we saw you asking the first time...
[01:15] <corp> scziz: trying now
[01:16] <corp> sc: looks like it works. thanks!
[01:16] <corp> how would i switch to KDE now, once it's installed
[01:16] <corp> from gnome
[01:17] <Amaranth> corp: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:17] <scizzo> l33txp: what ATI card are you using
[01:17] <kzm> Is KDE more robust than Gnome?
[01:17] <Xgates> WoOT finally got this BASTARD
[01:17] <kzm> Gnome 2.10 doesn't really work for me.
[01:17] <propagandhi> how do u execute cedega??
[01:18] <propagandhi> kzm: how doesnt it work??
[01:18] <Xgates> say is there a Win32 package in Ubuntu?
[01:18] <bogus> yea
[01:18] <l33txp> I have an ATI Radeon 9600XT
[01:18] <bogus> apt-get install windowsxp-pro
[01:18] <goldfish> lol
[01:18] <Xgates> bogus: LOL very funny
[01:19] <Xgates> Win32 means the codec you bonehead
[01:19] <kzm> propagandhi: no.  I've ended up running from .xsession with metacity and panel, as a rough approximation.  But most applets etc. refuse to start, they just hang on a call to bonobo_activation_activate_from_id
[01:19] <smouche> can anyone explain why I'm suddenly getting this error when I try to create a new text file with nano:
[01:19] <smouche> Unable to open ~/.nano_history file, Permission denied
[01:19] <scizzo> Xgates: looked at the RestrictedFormats on the wiki=
[01:19] <propagandhi> kzm: use kde it's way better
[01:19] <kzm> In addition, keybindings are pretty half-baked, and fonts are changed in an erratic fashion.
[01:20] <scizzo> l33txp: depending on the card and so on it is risky to install some binary drivers
[01:20] <kzm> I guess.
[01:20] <Xgates> smouche: as sudo run this --> chown nick:users .nano_history file REPLACE nick with your login nick :)
[01:20] <scizzo> l33txp: but: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto is one place to look
[01:20] <Xgates> scizzo: where URL?
[01:20] <smouche> Xgates, ok, thanks --
[01:20] <mattgy> locomorto: seems that Ubuntu's installer and/or parted have trouble with some ntfs partitions resized beforehand with parted. I manually fixed things with fdisk, but since the resized ntfs partition didn't end on a cylinder block ubuntu can't handle it. I'll file a bug.
[01:21] <scizzo> Xgates: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:21] <corp> amar: will that automatically switch my mangaer?
[01:21] <Xgates> scizzo: thanks
[01:21] <scizzo> Xgates: might be old information but it should still work somewhat
[01:21] <corp> i'm using Synaptic now to install KDE
[01:21] <corp> i guess i'll see what happens when it finishes =
[01:21] <locomorto> bad luck for you :(
[01:21] <l33txp> ok thanks.. one more n00b question... when it says "first type "sudo" what is that and where do I type that??
[01:21] <locomorto> i used qt_parted which intrun uses ntfs-resize or something
[01:21] <locomorto> inturn*
[01:22] <scizzo> l33txp: sudo == su do
[01:22] <thoreauputic> l33txp: in a terminal is where
[01:22] <scizzo> l33txp: sudo is being used instead of a root account
[01:22] <nate> gnome-pilot just crashed on me
[01:22] <scizzo> l33txp: the ATI stuff is being done on your own risk...don't know how good it will work with the card you have at the moment
[01:22] <nate> I knew I was pushing my luck trying to launch Cube at the same time
[01:23] <nate> but I didn't expect it to lock up my machine quite so hard
[01:23] <l33txp> i understand.. but thanks!!
[01:23] <nate> now it seems to have left gpilotd in a weird state, even after a reboot
[01:24] <nate> when I click on the panel Pilot daemon applet, it crashes instantly
[01:24] <nate> and preferences for it show that 'execute when clicked' is blank
[01:24] <nate> I presume this is supposed to contain something?
[01:24] <smouche> Xgates, thank you -- that worked -- but do you know why that error started happening?  I've been using nano as this user all along...
[01:25] <thoreauputic> nate: in a terminal, try typing this:         killall gpilotd
[01:25] <jr_G-man> anybody know how to make dmraid run automatically at boot?
[01:25] <nate> ok
[01:26] <nate> I've already done that and am trying to rerun the Pilot preferences capplet
[01:26] <nate> but it's not detecting the Palm again, do I need to reboot or something?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> nate: no
[01:27] <thoreauputic> nate: try this:   ps aux |grep gpilot
[01:27] <thoreauputic> nate: see if there are processes still running
[01:27] <nate> no gpilotd running at present
[01:27] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:28] <thoreauputic> ps aux | grep pilot
[01:28] <Xgates> smouche: not sure I had it happen to somehow the perms changed
[01:28] <Xgates> bbl
[01:28] <thoreauputic> see if that catches anything
[01:28] <corp> damn. KDE has been configuring for 15 mnutes now
[01:28] <corp> is that normal?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> no
[01:29] <thoreauputic> nate: no result?
[01:30] <nate> no result in Gnome Pilot Settings at the 'about to retrieve username from Pilot' stage
[01:30] <nate> it's just waiting
[01:30] <smouche> ok, thx Xgates!
[01:30] <ac-id> i have an radeon 9200
[01:30] <ac-id> where can i find it in synaptic packages?
[01:30] <ac-id> the driver that is
[01:30] <ac-id> i searched but i think my searching skills are sucky
[01:30] <corp> what's that for?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> nate: sometimes when an app locks, it leaves afew processes behing that cause problems
[01:31] <nate> mmm
[01:31] <corp> oops
[01:31] <nate> guess I should reboot again to clear it?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> nate: the idea is to try and identify them
[01:31] <nate> what other than gpilotd might be the culprit?
[01:32] <ac-id> any idea guys?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> nate: you can, but in linux rebooting rarely is an answer
[01:32] <ac-id> about the radeon driver
[01:32] <thoreauputic> nate: and you don't find out the root of the problem
[01:32] <ac-id> or must i download it from their website?
[01:32] <Burgundavia> ac-id, just change your xorg.conf it will work
[01:32] <njan> ac-id, just give people a minute to read your question, have a little patience ;)
[01:32] <Burgundavia> ac-id, already there
[01:32] <ac-id> sorry :)
[01:32] <ac-id> lemme check what i got atm
[01:33] <thoreauputic> nate: but go ahead and reboot if you prefer
[01:33] <nate> I'm just asking what the current accepted wisdom is as to the best way of clearing this kind of error
[01:33] <cens0red> hi. What apt or dpkg command do I use to list all the files in an installed package?
[01:33] <Burgundavia> nate, try restarting X
[01:33] <ac-id>  Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9200 SE (RV280)"
[01:33] <ac-id>         Driver          "ati"
[01:33] <ac-id>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[01:33] <Burgundavia> nate, ctrl-alt-bksp
[01:33] <ac-id> and i seem to not be running xorg
[01:33] <ac-id> :(
[01:33] <ac-id> even though i did a dist-upgrade
[01:33] <nate> Burgundavia: and that's different from rebooting how? :-)
[01:34] <Burgundavia> nate, just restarts X, not the kernel
[01:34] <nate> sure
[01:34] <nate> but all my processes are launched from X windows aren't they
[01:34] <thoreauputic> nate: well, you usually do a bit of detective work- another file to look at is ~/.xsession-errors
[01:34] <nate> all my user ones anyway
[01:34] <murrayc> Ooh. The Munich council has chosen debian.
[01:34] <fsapo> lol... there's no better way to start a day then laughing at some microsoft stupid projects
[01:34] <nate> thoreauputic: ok, I'll check that
[01:34] <Burgundavia> fsapo, hmm?
[01:35] <smouche> can anyone recommend a nice file browser to use in an xterm, that I could use to browse my files sort of like lynx browses the web?  is there an ncurses app for that?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> nate: no, some processes continue to run outside X - no point in always rebooting
[01:35] <fsapo> Burgundavia, i ll have to explain the hole thing for u but i ll with pleasure :)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> smouche: sure, Midnight Commander
[01:35] <fsapo> Burgundavia, i m in brazil and the government is with a project called "connected pc"
[01:35] <thoreauputic> smouche: also known as mc
[01:35] <nate> lots of gnome-cups-icon 'failed request with status 1030' messages
[01:35] <Burgundavia> fsapo, oh that thing. Xp-starter
[01:35] <fsapo> Burgundavia, this pc is a low cost pc and comes with linux by default
[01:35] <nate> don't imagine that has anything to do with USB or pilot though
[01:36] <nate> on my last machine I used to get hardware-level USB lockups something chronic
[01:36] <fsapo> Burgundavia, yes.. but did u see the crazy stuff?
[01:36] <fsapo> Burgundavia, you cant use network
[01:36] <nate> that was running Warty
[01:36] <smouche> thoreauputic, of course!  heh heh - I should have realized, since I like to use guis that describe themselves as being like "midnight commander" - thanks!
[01:36] <Burgundavia> fsapo, no internet?
[01:36] <fsapo> Burgundavia, it just uses 128MB or ram and justa accept 40GB of HD
[01:37] <fsapo> Burgundavia, it has internet but no LAN
[01:37] <Burgundavia> fsapo, real smart, crippled and expensive vs good and free
[01:37] <nate> manager.c/925: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_830_60_100_-1_PalmSN12345678
[01:37] <nate> ** Message: No pilot userid/username information located** Message: Unable to load pilot id/username, assuming unset
[01:37] <propagandhi> anyone know a good guide to using cedega
[01:37] <nate> all that seems normal to me...
[01:38] <locomorto> thier site?
[01:38] <fsapo> Burgundavia, most of the brazillian government stuff are already using linux
[01:38] <locomorto> it has lots of guides and a good forum with most questions answered
[01:38] <locomorto> you also get point2play
[01:38] <nate> any other suggestions as to where I should look for clues as to why gpilotd is not gpiloting?
[01:38] <fsapo> Burgundavia, Bill Gates wanted to talk with the president but the president said NO to him hahaha
[01:38] <Burgundavia> fsapo, lol
[01:38] <nate> is there a standard way of restarting the daemon? (other than rebooting which would be against the Zen of Linux)
[01:39] <r0sk> hi
[01:39] <fsapo> Burgundavia, and now.. the brazillian Bank is starting to change everything to linux too :)
[01:39] <r0sk> anyone has tried hoary 5.04 on iBook g4?
[01:39] <r0sk> there is no #ubuntu-ppc channel
[01:39] <thoreauputic> nate: haha - if it's a daemon, you might be able to do sudo /etc/init.d/gpilotd restart or something like that
[01:40] <cens0red> hi. What apt or dpkg command do I use to list all the files in an installed package?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> I don't know gpilotd, but it's worth seeing if that will tab complete
[01:40] <fsapo> Burgundavia, just for start it was less 13 millions to pay in software licenses :) but it just started changing its system
[01:40] <nate> thoreauputic: never mind, it appears to be being launched from OAF
[01:40] <r0sk> cens0red, dpkg -l >> installed.txt
[01:40] <snowblink> cens0red, dpkg -L packagename
[01:41] <Xgates> man this is so frustrating I compiled all the time in Slack and everything worked so easy now in Ubuntu everything is so different trying to figure how to get things to work
[01:41] <Xgates> :/
[01:41] <cens0red> snowblink thanx1
[01:41] <cens0red> !
[01:41] <r0sk> cens0red, snowblink is right, I'd improve my english :)
[01:41] <Xgates> does anyone with Xine to get dvds to play if anything needs to be setup?
[01:41] <nate> thoreauputic: and I don't grok OAF terribly well. But  an init.d won't do much good by the look of it
[01:41] <thoreauputic> ok
[01:42] <nate> never mind
[01:42] <cens0red> snowblink the apt howto is saying I should use "$ apt-file list packagename", but apt-file returns an error
[01:42] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  I'm running totem-xine, had to get libdvdcss
[01:42] <thoreauputic> you would know more than me then - i don't know OAF at all
[01:42] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  I believe I compiled that from source and it worked fine afterwards
[01:42] <S}{0RTY> Hi
[01:43] <S}{0RTY> can anyone help me get my printer to work with ubuntu
[01:43] <SeamusLP> Xgates libdvdcss that is, not totem-xine
[01:43] <S}{0RTY> i am a linux noob :P
[01:43] <Xgates> SeamusLP: there is no package for it?
[01:43] <johns^> S}{0RTY: aren't we all
[01:43] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  There are legal issues
[01:43] <snowblink> cens0red, apt-file isn't installed by default
[01:43] <thoreauputic> cens0red: if it's installed, do dpkg -S <package>
[01:43] <thoreauputic> capital S
[01:44] <Xgates> SeamusLP: did you make yours into a .deb pack?
[01:44] <yfir> anyone here use Grip?
[01:44] <MistaED> S}{ORTY: Administration > Printing
[01:44] <SeamusLP> Xgates Nah, just did a ./configure make make install
[01:44] <cens0red> thoreauputic yep that works too. ty.
[01:44] <Xgates> k
[01:44] <Burgundavia> Xgates,  SeamusLP why not use the one in debian-marilliar
[01:44] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia didn't realize it was in marilliat
[01:45] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, works fine
[01:45] <Xgates> Burgundavia: I was reading a little on that, HOW do you do that get it through Synaptic?
[01:45] <x3nix> anyone can give a nome of a msn cliente for linux?
[01:45] <S}{0RTY> MistaED, I've tried to set it up but it doesnt print
[01:45] <zeedo> x3nix: gaim
[01:45] <yfir> x3nix: doesn't Gaim work?
[01:45] <Burgundavia> Xgates, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:45] <SeamusLP> x3nix:  gaim is installed by default, and can handle msn among other plugins
[01:45] <Xgates> Burgundavia: yea the URL
[01:45] <S}{0RTY> its an epson stylus photo r300
[01:46] <Burgundavia> Xgates, it tells you how to add the debian marilliat repo
[01:46] <Xgates> just dont feel like reading, late and all I want to do is pop the DVD and sit back and watch it
[01:46] <Xgates> LOL
[01:46] <Xgates> sheesh
[01:46] <cens0red> we gotta get a relevant ubuntu apt howto happening.
[01:46] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  It's almost that simple :)
[01:46] <yfir> cens0red: why don't you do it? :)
[01:46] <Nino> hey, i want to complain. i want to use ubuntu on my laptop. my laptop has a pcmcia ethernet. whatever ubuntu has no configuration program to setup this pcmcia ethernet. in fact i visited the debian reference and this spammed my mind. it wants me to configure several config files and add cryptic commands to it. i expect ubuntu to give me a nice little window where i will add my ip, dns, router and so on...!
[01:47] <jinx``> what's the time @ your location?
[01:47] <cens0red> yfir good question. Maybe I will when I'm an old hand at this distro. If people can wait that long.
[01:47] <Xgates> k
[01:47] <jinx``> << 13:48
[01:47] <Jimbob> Nino: System->Administration->Networking
[01:47] <fsapo> jinx``, ? 9:00 AM here :P
[01:47] <jinx``> :)
[01:47] <locomorto> xgates is not in marralt
[01:47] <jinx``> us eastcoast?
[01:48] <Xgates> Next, if you are using Hoary: Start by installing the Marillat gpg key per
[01:48] <Xgates> Crap need to install this gpg ....
[01:48] <Xgates> locomorto: huh?
[01:48] <nate> woohoo
[01:48] <nate> found the problem
[01:48] <Burgundavia> Xgates, gpg is not needed
[01:48] <locomorto> its not in there
[01:48] <locomorto> i tried to find it
[01:48] <SeamusLP> Nino:  Gnome-system-tools is coming along nicely.  the network config app should work just fine.
[01:48] <Xgates> Burgundavia: k
[01:48] <nate> my /dev/pilot symlink to /dev/ttyUSB1 had vanished
[01:48] <Burgundavia> Xgates, it will just cough up a warning about it
[01:49] <thoreauputic> SeamusLP: he left without waiting for an naswer
[01:49] <thoreauputic> *answer..... bleh
[01:50] <SeamusLP> thoreauputic:  That's too bad.  Configuring your network really is simple now.
[01:50] <nate> are pilot-utils able to cope with the Palm JPEG libaries yet or do they still crash?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> SeamusLP: it really kills me the way people complain about free software... *sigh* ah, well...
[01:51] <Xgates> Burgundavia: yea I see
[01:51] <Xgates> BUT
[01:51] <fsapo> jinx``, brazil east :)
[01:51] <nate> thoreauputic: well, one could say that a free piece of software that consumes time and doesn't do what the user wants is actually not a gift
[01:51] <jinx``> :)
[01:51] <Xgates> Burgundavia: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[01:51] <Xgates> Burgundavia: and then just run these commands:
[01:51] <Xgates> gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[01:51] <Xgates> gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[01:52] <nate> the only thing worse would be software that you have to pay money for and doesn't do what you want...
[01:52] <SeamusLP> thoreauputic:  Especially when all it takes is a little curiousity and resolve to figure this stuff out... It's made even easier in a distribution like ubuntu
[01:52] <thoreauputic> nate: that's true - but if you want the gifts to improve, it's kind of responsible to make an effort, don't you think?
[01:52] <nate> thoreauputic: that's usually what people who report bugs think they're doing, in my experience
[01:52] <nate> 'complaining' is the first stage of reporting a bug
[01:53] <thoreauputic> nate: yes, that's a good thing to do
[01:53] <propagandhi> anybody here have cedega 4.31
[01:53] <thoreauputic> nate: well, not really - bug reporting isn't complaining, i it?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> *is it
[01:53] <Xgates> root@ubuntu:~# gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[01:53] <Xgates> OK
[01:53] <Xgates> WoOT
[01:53] <Xgates> looks ok
[01:55] <theine_> sorry, got disconnected, anybody answered to my question about metacity?
[01:55] <yfir> does anyone here use Grip to rip CDs?
[01:55] <Burgundavia> yfir, why not use sound juicer?
[01:55] <frank> propaghandi
[01:55] <nate> thoreauputic: bug reporting is a bit more formalised, yes. So formalised I find myself hardly ever reporting actual bugs. For one thing, you have to be able to isolate and reproduce the problem just to be able to answer all the questions Bug Buddy wants to know. That's not a trivial thing for even seasoned users.
[01:55] <SeamusLP> yfir:  I do.  And burgundavia, grip is awesome :)
[01:55] <frank> propaghandi I do
[01:55] <Xgates> SeamusLP: I got it going in that marralt, yeah that was easy, LOL
[01:55] <Xgates> Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime libraries
[01:55] <Xgates> To allow applications to access some of the more advanced features
[01:55] <Xgates> of the DVD format.
[01:56] <yfir> Burgundavia: i prefer the control that grip gives
[01:56] <SeamusLP> yfir:  Are you having problems with it?
[01:56] <yfir> SeamusLP: is it working properly for you?
[01:56] <nate> probably there should be a way to narrow the gap between 'free-floating gripe' and 'fully filed and reported bug'
[01:56] <SeamusLP> yfir:  It wasn't until I disabled dma
[01:56] <Somebody_> Hello when I try to create a link in my home dir for my webserver files I get: ln: `/var/www/': hard link not allowed for directory
[01:56] <SeamusLP> yfir:  Enabled I mean
[01:56] <Xgates> Preconfiguring packages ...
[01:56] <Xgates> Selecting previously deselected package libdvdcss2.
[01:56] <Xgates> :-)
[01:56] <SeamusLP> yfir:  What problem you having?
[01:56] <yfir> SeamusLP: yeah, i noticed it points to /dev/cdrom but that obviosly doesn't work.. so
[01:57] <yfir> SeamusLP: whatever i change it to, it still complains.
[01:57] <nate> I guess one reason I don't like reporting bugs is that I generally figure if it's a real problem, someone else must surely have already reported it and I'm just not smart enough to work out how to search the existing bug reports to find out if it's there
[01:57] <thoreauputic> nate: that's true too. I kind of acted as a tester on a bug I reported recently - the maintainer asked me to compile and test some things, and we worked it out
[01:57] <SeamusLP> yfir:  Try /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[01:57] <locomorto> is there anyway to schedule azerus to downlod between certain times?
[01:57] <locomorto> maybe through cron/anacron
[01:57] <yfir> SeamusLP: yeah, i did. maybe i the permissions on them aren't se right. thakns, i'll try again
[01:58] <thoreauputic> nate: if it's been reported you usually get a one line mail to that effect
[01:58] <yfir> sorry about the poor typing :) i've been up a long time
[01:58] <SeamusLP> yfir:  Are you in the cdrom group?
[01:58] <yfir> SeamusLP: yep
[01:58] <nate> the Ubuntu websites and wikis seem like a pretty good FAQ collection, the best I've seen for a Linux distribution so far
[01:58] <locomorto> nate: also look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:58] <nate> so that goes some way toward answering the 'is this a bug or a feature' question
[01:58] <locomorto> its still being ported too hoary so wait till its all up
[01:58] <Xgates> WoOT Xine is playing it
[01:59] <Xgates> but Totem says cant open dvd://
[01:59] <Xgates> hmm
[01:59] <thoreauputic> some of the gentoo "tips and tricks" type pages are pretty good too, i must say
[01:59] <nate> locomorto: I've seen that, it's very nice, though tilted a bit far toward installing unsupported / illegal software for my liking
[01:59] <Xgates> thanks Burgundavia
[01:59] <locomorto> illegeal?
[01:59] <nate> but it does answer the 'politically incorrect' questions like 'how do I play DVDs'
[01:59] <Xgates> whats Totems problem that wont play a DVD that Xine will
[01:59] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  Might be a configuration thing with totem...  See if it points to the right dvd device
[01:59] <Xgates> not that I care much about Totem
[01:59] <locomorto> what is illgeal (sp) in there?
[01:59] <Burgundavia> Xgates, np
[02:00] <thoreauputic> nate: that is only illegal in a few misguided countries
[02:00] <nate> locomorto: installing a free MP3 player or DeCSS may be illegal in some jurisdictions depending on patent law. I'm not entirely sure what NZ's stance is.
[02:00] <Burgundavia> Xgates, xine uses xine lib, which is legally questionable
[02:00] <nate> (New Zealand, where I live)
[02:00] <nate> so I prefer to play it safe
[02:00] <Burgundavia> totem only links to the codecs
[02:00] <praetorian> a kiwi!
[02:00] <nate> mm-hmm
[02:01] <locomorto> does NZ have the DMCA?
[02:01] <Xgates> SeamusLP: yes in the Preferences its pointing to the Dvd player
[02:01] <thoreauputic> there's a place for enlightened civil disobedience when the law is absurd
[02:01] <nate> That's a US law, but we are a signatory to WIPO (the treaty that DMCA implements), I believe
[02:01] <nate> however IANAL so I'm not quite sure
[02:01] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  Are you using gstreamer?
[02:01] <yfir> SeamusLP: well, I changed it to /dev/hdc and it works now! funny thing is, i could have sworn I tried that yesterday
[02:02] <yfir> SeamusLP: anyway, thanks for the suggestion
[02:02] <SeamusLP> yfir:  No problem.  I had to enable DMA to get it to work quickly, though.  You can use hdparm for that.
[02:02] <Xgates> here
[02:02] <Xgates> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)2, systemstrea m=(boolean)false
[02:02] <Xgates> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3
[02:02] <Xgates> ahh
[02:02] <Xgates> let me see
[02:03] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  You need codecs :P
[02:03] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  Check out addons for gstreamer in the repositories
[02:03] <locomorto> w32codecs
[02:03] <locomorto> gstreamer-8.x i think
[02:04] <nate> ok, let's see if my Tungsten can talk to Evolution now...
[02:04] <Burgundavia> Xgates, install w32codecs and totem-xine
[02:04] <nate> it's doing something, that's a good sign
[02:05] <Xgates> SeamusLP: I have gstreamer
[02:05] <Xgates> so what just need Win32?
[02:05] <nate> woohoo!
[02:05] <nate> I have syncage
[02:05] <jinx``> someone ever played darwinia?
[02:05] <propagandhi> ANYBODY HERE HAVE CEDEGA 4.3.1
[02:05] <stas> I have cedega 431
[02:05] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia, xgates:  He already has xine.  No need to redundancy?
[02:05] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, totem-xine is nice and simple. Much cleaner interface
[02:06] <IceGuest_5> sorry to interrupt, can anybody help me.  I am trying to instal UBUNTU and cannot get it to recognize the mouse
[02:06] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia:  I think that's a personal preference thing
[02:06] <thoreauputic> A law that restricts people's access to information is a bad law unless it involves personal or national safety
[02:07] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, even national security is iffy
[02:07] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, can too easily be abused
[02:07] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I tend to agree
[02:07] <propagandhi> thoreauputic: are u saying National security is important enough to withold information from the public??
[02:07] <nullaresnata> Hello, how do I find an usb scanner on ubuntu?
[02:07] <Burgundavia> nullaresnata, plug it in
[02:07] <Burgundavia> nullaresnata, then start XSane
[02:07] <Xgates> SeamusLP, Burgundavia I never heard of totem-xine before
[02:07] <Xgates> hmm
[02:07] <thoreauputic> propagandhi: it's a grey area, for sure
[02:08] <Xgates> any URL to see it?
[02:08] <SeamusLP> thoreaputic:  Any politician can say that x is a threat to national security to get what he wants.
[02:08] <Burgundavia> Xgates, totem is the default movie plyaer. Totem-xine is the xine backend
[02:08] <thoreauputic> propagandhi: on the whole, I doubt it
[02:08] <Xgates> because at Xine I have never seen that
[02:08] <nullaresnata> Ah, ok. I didn't know about xsane.
[02:08] <thoreauputic> SeamusLP: yes, true
[02:08] <Burgundavia> Xgates, gstreamer is the default backend
[02:08] <nullaresnata> Ok. Thanks about that!
[02:08] <Xgates> Burgundavia: oh the backends, LOL ya ya I dont know what I was thinking
[02:08] <Xgates> LOL
[02:08] <Burgundavia> Xgates, very nice from a developers perspective, but not finished yet and the plugins suck for it
[02:08] <Burgundavia> Xgates, gstreamer that is
[02:08] <frank> propaghandi: YES
[02:08] <Xgates> I just use plain ole Xine
[02:09] <thoreauputic> I was thinking more about effects of war on people, but your points are valid
[02:09] <Burgundavia> nullaresnata, if it doesn't work, it is a bug
[02:09] <micsch_> hi, i have a little problem with warty: Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[02:09] <micsch_>   libgtk2.0-dev: Hngt ab: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.4.1-2) ist aber nicht installierbar
[02:09] <micsch_>                  Hngt ab: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.4.0-3) ist aber nicht installierbar
[02:09] <micsch_>                  Hngt ab: libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2) ist aber nicht installierbar
[02:09] <micsch_>                  Hngt ab: libx11-dev soll aber nicht installiert werden oder
[02:09] <micsch_>                            xlibs-dev soll aber nicht installiert werden
[02:09] <micsch_> E: Kaputte Pakete
[02:09] <propagandhi> define national security firstly
[02:09] <frank> propaghandi: I have cedega
[02:09] <Xgates> but I was just farting with Totem just to see if it would work ok
[02:09] <Xgates> I always use Xine
[02:09] <propagandhi> i think its an invention of governments to explain why they didnt tell us the truth
[02:09] <nullaresnata> Ok.
[02:09] <SeamusLP> Thoreauputic:  It seems to me that people are often being dragged along by the people in power.  But that's a discussion for a different room.
[02:09] <nate> this rocks
[02:09] <Xgates> sheesh a LITTLE FLOOD there micsch_
[02:09] <propagandhi> "it was for the national security"
[02:09] <nate> for once in my life I have synchronised home, work and PDA calendars
[02:09] <micsch_> Xgates, sorry
[02:09] <Choubaka> And in German, no less.
[02:09] <nullaresnata> It worked.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> SeamusLP: it is indeed :)
[02:10] <nullaresnata> Really, really cool.
[02:10] <Xgates> waht GERMAN flooding
[02:10] <nullaresnata> Thanks a lot, Burgundavia!!!
[02:10] <propagandhi> true indeed
[02:10] <Xgates> godl/cold .....
[02:10] <micsch_> Xgates, lol :-9
[02:10] <locomorto> i wish i could install xgates on linux
[02:10] <locomorto> be fun to bash up gates
[02:11] <nate> xgates?
[02:11] <locomorto> www.googleityoumoron.com
[02:11] <nate> is that in universe somewhere?
[02:11] <Choubaka> locomorto: it's xbill, isn't it?
[02:11] <Burgundavia> nullaresnata, cool
[02:11] <nate> aha
[02:11] <SeamusLP> nate:  What calendaring do you use?
[02:11] <locomorto> theres xgates for MacOSX
[02:11] <nate> SeamusLP: At work, Novell Groupwise, using Messaging Architects GWanywhere
[02:11] <propagandhi> frank: where did u get it
[02:11] <Frafra> for calcolate the md5 of a cd burned?
[02:12] <Xgates> what
[02:12] <Xgates> LOL
[02:12] <thoreauputic> propagandhi: I suppose I was meaning "national security" in a more idealistic sense - I agree that the term is used opportunistically
[02:12] <Xgates> ME on MAC
[02:12] <Xgates> WoOT
[02:12] <frank> propagandhi: emule/amule
[02:12] <nate> the Groupwise <--> Palm <--> Evolution conversion loses some information
[02:12] <spacedman> apache/ssl q: if I want to serve http and https pages, should I install the apache package and mod_ssl, or just the apache-ssl package? This is on hoary...
[02:12] <nate> but as long as I use only a subset of features it *might* hold together
[02:12] <Xgates> HEY I thought in the "Multimedia System Selector' this is where you can pick gstreamer?
[02:12] <Xgates> hmm
[02:13] <thoreauputic> Xgates: use the search, Luke
[02:13] <Xgates> thoreauputic: huh?
[02:13] <thoreauputic> never mind
[02:13] <nate> thoreauputic: I believe there was a debate among US atomic scientists in the immediate post-WW2 period as to how open scientific research should be
[02:13] <nate> and the US sort of picked a middle path between secrecy and openness
[02:13] <propagandhi> thoreauputic: i wasnt having a go at u, i just hate the term as a whole
[02:14] <SeamusLP> nate:  I just don't bother with calendaring, lol.
[02:14] <Jimbob> *cough*
[02:14] <thoreauputic> nate: there is nothing new under the sun, I'm afraid
[02:14] <nate> all atomic research is still 'born classified' but fortunately stuff like TCP/IP wasn't. :)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> propagandhi: yes, i know - and I agree with your sentiments
[02:14] <thoreauputic> propagandhi: I should have been more precise
[02:15] <nate> the Soviets went the path of complete secrecy and it stuffed their economic base
[02:15] <Xgates> I dont remeber how do you have totem pick between running gstreamer or xine?
[02:15] <locomorto> xbills not bad
[02:15] <locomorto> not enough gore tho
[02:15] <Jimbob> nate: No, 40% of the GDP being spent on the military stuffed their economic base (tanks & soldiers arent' too productive in the economic sense of the world)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> Xgates: you install totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
[02:15] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  There's no picking, really.  Just install totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
[02:16] <nate> Jimbob: that too
[02:16] <Jimbob> nate: That only. :-)
[02:16] <nate> Jimbob: what % of GDP does the USA spend on weapons, for comparison?
[02:16] <spacedman> oh dear, did i wander into #politics by mistake?
[02:16] <propagandhi> thoreauputic: no worries at all
[02:16] <Jimbob> nate: $600bn / $12tn
[02:16] <thoreauputic> spacedman: sort of - at the moment - sorry
[02:17] <Xgates> Ahh
[02:17] <Xgates> ok
[02:17] <mishof> anyone knows how can i download the addon to firefox that lets me view videos on websites ?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> spacedman: we will make an effort to get back on topic :)
[02:17] <Xgates> wasnt sure Im so use to compiling stuff now Im on this AUTO distro Im BRAIN DEAD
[02:17] <Xgates> LMAO
[02:17] <spacedman> maybe i'll just stuff the package install business and do it from source...
[02:17] <Somebody_> How would I create links between directories? ln doesn't seem to work? :(
[02:17] <SeamusLP> mishof:  There are really good guides for that in the forum, including one on how to embed totem-xine
[02:18] <spacedman> Somebody_: ln creates hard links which you cant do across filesystems - 'ln -s' can link across anywhere by making a 'soft' link
[02:18] <Jimbob> Amazingly there actually is a #politics
[02:18] <thoreauputic> spacedman: you can do that, but it can get messy (package management issues)
[02:18] <mishof> SeamusLP, which forum ?
[02:18] <Somebody_> spacedman, thanks
[02:18] <lunitik> Somebody_: it does... ln -s /the/real/file /its/hang/out/spot
[02:18] <nate> Jimbob: Only 5%? Hmm, not bad toys for that kind of money.
[02:18] <SeamusLP> mishof:  Probably hoary application support.  You'd be better off doing a search, though.
[02:18] <mishof> SeamusLP, thanks
[02:18] <propagandhi> I found someone on the gnutella network that is sharing the latest version of cedega
[02:18] <SeamusLP> mishof:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[02:18] <Xgates> thoreauputic, SeamusLP totem-gstreamer is installed already
[02:18] <Xgates> hmm not working
[02:19] <Xgates> yeah gstreamer is not so stable from what I have seen
[02:19] <Jimbob> nate: 0.5% (one half of one percent)
[02:19] <Xgates> totem-xine will probably work alot better
[02:19] <thoreauputic> Xgates: gstreamer doesn't really support a lot of stuff - xine is much better with the w32codecs
[02:20] <Jimbob> nate: Well, California alone is the world's fifth largest economy.
[02:20] <SeamusLP> mishof:  Check this link out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17727   you get totem-xine, some codecs, and that mozpluggerrc file and you can embed anything in firefox :)
[02:20] <Choubaka> NOO. Now I lost one machine :((
[02:20] <stas> if you like I can send you my cedega
[02:20] <Xgates> thoreauputic: yeah
[02:21] <Xgates> ok DVD time BOYS
[02:21] <MistaED> cedega is really giving me the shits, is it even possible for it to run in an amd64 environment?
[02:22] <Xgates> man this is GREAT finally compiling the kernel and getting it to work BUT I found one bug in it:
[02:22] <Xgates>  No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled.
[02:22] <Xgates> LOL
[02:22] <UbuWu> can anybody help? can't get any sound in flightgear
[02:22] <Xgates> I have all the kernel mod options compiled and --> lsmod shows my mods loaded
[02:22] <Xgates> hmm oh well
[02:23] <liable> Xgates: thats not a bug
[02:23] <MistaED> i've read all the forums in ubuntu about cedegra
[02:23] <MistaED> tried them all, they all don't work
[02:23] <lunitik> Xgates: good job... cookie? ;)
[02:23] <liable> Xgates: you have modules?
[02:23] <Xgates> liable: so what is it then, my modules are loaded
[02:23] <mishof> SeamusLP, thanks :)
[02:23] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ lsmod
[02:23] <Xgates> Module                  Size  Used by
[02:23] <Xgates> udf                    76292  1
[02:23] <Xgates> nls_base                4608  1 udf
[02:24] <Xgates> just a few here with out whiping out the place in a flood
[02:24] <Xgates> hehe
[02:24] <MistaED> wine can't find its own libs :(
[02:24] <user_> Hi. Can someone help me with getting links2 -g working under Hoary?
[02:24] <MistaED> i'm in a chroot 32-bit environment
[02:24] <Xgates> lunitik: :-)
[02:24] <Choubaka> :(((
[02:24] <MistaED> after i tried making it look into lib32 but failed
[02:24] <Gurum> Is some sort of framebuffer already setup under Hoary?
[02:24] <frank> MistaED: cedega works fine in my chroot
[02:25] <Gurum> I tried links2 -g -driver fb but it says can't find /dev/fb0
[02:25] <Xgates> liable: yes I have mods, and the kernel options are in ther for it
[02:25] <MistaED> i keep getting error=21
[02:25] <MistaED> all the damn time
[02:25] <Xgates> # Loadable module support
[02:25] <Xgates> #
[02:25] <Xgates> CONFIG_MODULES=y
[02:25] <Xgates> CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD=y
[02:25] <Xgates> CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_UNLOAD=y
[02:25] <Xgates> CONFIG_OBSOLETE_MODPARM=y
[02:25] <frank> MistaED: do you have prelink running?
[02:25] <Xgates> CONFIG_KMOD=y
[02:25] <MistaED> what is prelink?
[02:26] <Gurum> anyone? frame buffer under Hoary?
[02:26] <mutek> hellohello
[02:26] <rrfsh> hi Xgates  can u help me please?
[02:26] <frank> check if you have it:   locate prelink
[02:26] <Speedy2> Hey all.  Apparently my SCSI card, while supported by the kernel, doesn't have a module in Kubuntu or Ubuntu.  I don't have a Linux machine here to build the module -- suggestions?
[02:26] <Xgates> liable: so if I have the Loadable module support compiled in then why is is saying that in /var/log/messages?
[02:26] <Xgates> rrfsh: what's up I'm almost out?
[02:26] <frank> MistaED: if you do you have you have to diable it
[02:27] <lunitik> MistaED: basically allows applications to remember what libraries it needs, usually results in better load times
[02:27] <MistaED> i don't have it
[02:27] <Gurum> I trashed my Xserver settings, and trying to figure out how to fix it, using links...but text browser sucks so trying to get links2 -g working..but no framebuffer ;(
[02:27] <rrfsh> i have a problem with internet connection
[02:27] <MistaED> not in my chroot 32-bit that is
[02:27] <rrfsh> xgates i have a nokia 6630
[02:27] <frank> MistaED: what about outside?
[02:28] <lunitik> frank: surely it would be better to 'dpkg -l prelink' to see if he has it... locate is daily, so any applications installed today wouldn't show up...
[02:28] <rrfsh> and i want to connect to the internet with bluetooth
[02:28] <MistaED> yes i do
[02:28] <lunitik> (enless you run 'sudo updatedb'
[02:28] <frank> lunitink: youre rigth
[02:28] <mishof> SeamusLP, that totaly works, awsome :)
[02:28] <MistaED> just the openoffice prelink or something
[02:28] <rrfsh> i have installed kppp, but i doesn't work
[02:28] <frank> MistaED: ok you have to disable it in the config file
[02:29] <liable> Xgates: I have compiled a few kernels and I always get the 'no modules loaded' message, but they always load, and have no probs, maybe an initrd thing or something, I dunno, as long as it works who cares
[02:29] <liable> Xgates: its not a bug though
[02:29] <frank> MistaED: probably in /etc/prelink
[02:29] <Xgates> liable: yea I'm just picky, as a Slacker my box was always squeaky clean :-)
[02:29] <Somebody_> Okay, I'm a bit sure about this permission thing. Would it be unsafe to: chown nobody:nogroup /var/www?
[02:29] <Xgates> liable: so why it do that if not a bug
[02:29] <SeamusLP> mishof:  Awesome, glad it's working
[02:30] <liable> bah slackware
[02:30] <Xgates> SAY anyone know I cant remember is Bluetooth support in 2.6x?
[02:30] <Xgates> I forgot?
[02:30] <Speedy2> Do people from Cannonical / Ubuntu actually come in here
[02:30] <Speedy2> Xgates: Yes, it does have Bluetooth support
[02:30] <Xgates> liable: Slack is great if you know what your doing and I can run it great :-)
[02:30] <MistaED> it's just an oooprelink
[02:31] <Xgates> I can compile anything under the sun, but that took me a few years of doing to be able to accomplish that
[02:31] <Xgates> hehe
[02:31] <Xgates> Speedy2: does Ubuntu have it compiled in?
[02:31] <liable> Xgates: go for debian then
[02:31] <Speedy2> Xgates: I don't know.
[02:31] <Xgates> probably
[02:31] <Xgates> k
[02:31] <Speedy2> Xgates: I especially don't know, because I can't try it out because they've left out support for my (popular) SCSI card.
[02:32] <Xgates> rrfsh: sorry I'm not one for bluetooth I have not done bluetooth in Linux, IF you get no help here, then use "GOOGLE" and you might find help on setting it up
[02:32] <Xgates> Speedy2: :/
[02:32] <MistaED> prelink is not installed
[02:33] <Xgates> well boys off the the DVD
[02:33] <MistaED> it's just for openoffice, and i don't really want to break oo
[02:34] <liable> lastlog rrfsh
[02:34] <rrfsh> ?
[02:35] <rrfsh> liable?
[02:35] <MistaED> just realised i've been trying to figure out how to get cedega to work for over 4 hours
[02:35] <liable> rrfsh: soory forgot the /
[02:35] <frank> MistaED: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1325   for me the error 21 was caused by prelink
[02:37] <rrfsh> nobody know how i can fix internet connection with phone via bluetoth, please?
[02:38] <Speedy2> rrfsh: This is probably not a Ubuntu specific problem.  Just asking, have you tried searching elsewhere for this information?
[02:39] <eaon> hello boys
[02:39] <rrfsh> speedy2, i have installed kppp and easy gprs connect
[02:40] <eaon> i'm on a powerbook here with the livecd
[02:40] <rrfsh> and no one work
[02:40] <eaon> how would i go to use the second mouse button without an external mouse?
[02:40] <eaon> fn, command, alt and ctrl don't work in combination with a click
[02:40] <eaon> would it work at all?
[02:41] <eaon> eh, does it work at all
[02:41] <Xgates> CRAP some much BS services running in Ubuntu I cant watch the DVD need to kill services
[02:41] <Xgates> some/so .....
[02:41] <rrfsh> speedy2 the kppp says that pppd deamon died unexpectedly
[02:41] <vardhan> Hi. Will prelink help on ubuntu ?
[02:41] <tomek> hi - trying to install vsftpd - which has an ubuntu icon, so seems to be a distro part, I'm getting the warning about not authenticated package - why ?
[02:42] <MistaED> nope, i have none of those problems
[02:42] <Alch_the_Est> whois Alch_the_Est
[02:43] <frank> MistaED:  I'm not sure what to do.   What is your exact error message>
[02:44] <MistaED> "/usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: can't exec 'CoDUOMP.exe': error=21"
[02:45] <smoser> anyone know why esddsp (and mpg321, which used to use esd by default) would stop working for me?
[02:45] <smoser> now they act as if they can't find an esd server (which is running)
[02:45] <frank> 'CoDUOMP.exe'  are you sure this is supposed to work?
[02:45] <MistaED> plain old wine gives me this:
[02:45] <MistaED> ./wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:46] <Coily> what decides which menu.list is used for bootup (i have two ubuntu installations and id like to use a different menu.list)?
[02:46] <MistaED> it's call of duty united offensive, thought i'd give it a simple ID engine to try out
[02:46] <smoser> Coily, whichever one got installed onto the MBR
[02:46] <smoser> probably whoever ran 'grub-install /dev/hda' last
[02:46] <Coily> smoser, you're correct, but id like to know how to change that
[02:47] <Coily> smoser, id like to use my old menu.list
[02:47] <smoser> re-run grub-install /dev/hda from the one you want
[02:47] <frank> MistaED: did you install wine  with the apt-get/synaptic in the chroot?
[02:47] <eaon> so i presume, using right mouse button with just one mouse button (like on os x) is impossible?
[02:47] <frank> MistaED: although I don't think you even need wine for cedega
[02:48] <Coily> smoser, i have 2 hard drives, im assuming grub will always install to hda (because the mbr is always stored there?)
[02:49] <smoser> it'll install wherever you want it to. but probably the ubuntu installer installs to MBR of hda
[02:49] <smoser> 'grub-install /dev/hda'
[02:49] <Coily> gotcha
[02:49] <CarlK> the important part is where will your system boot from
[02:49] <Coily> thank you for your help
[02:50] <MistaED> nope, didn't install any form of wine
[02:50] <Coily> CarlK, well, the mbr of my first hdd it appears
[02:50] <MistaED> just cedega
[02:50] <Pierre|Unk> is there any way to force a CD to boot?
[02:50] <cusco> how do I make sshd server listen on a diferent port
[02:50] <cusco> like 25
[02:50] <Burgundavia> Pierre|Unk, disable the hdd in the bios
[02:50] <cusco> please
[02:50] <CarlK> my stupid HP keeps track of drive model# and will boot from the same disk even if I make it hdd
[02:50] <Pierre|Unk> tried that but it wont boot anyway
[02:50] <smoser> no one else recently started having problems with esd ?
[02:50] <ac-id> sshd -p
[02:50] <Pierre|Unk> only CD's that it lets to boot is windows XP and Windows 98
[02:50] <CarlK> Pierre|Unk - SBM... link comming...
[02:51] <Pierre|Unk> and ive tried the CD's on my other computer so its nothing wrong with the CDs
[02:51] <Pierre|Unk> another bad thing dont have a floppy
[02:51] <cusco> ac-id: like that i conect on a diferent port
[02:51] <dantheman> has anyone here gotten dual monitors working with an nvidia card?
[02:51] <cusco> I mean Listening
[02:52] <CarlK> Pierre|Unk http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:52] <CarlK> Pierre|Unk - no floppy.. just a sec...
[02:53] <Coily> is it possible to kill a hdd dead by editing the mbr? or would it still be possible to run a recover cd and manually edit the mbr? also, would you need a backup of the mbr, in order to get everything working again?
[02:53] <dantheman> i've installed the nvidia-glx driver, and nvidia-kernel-common, but i have no idea how to edit the xorg.conf file to get twinview to work
[02:53] <cens0red> excuse me, according to http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver there should be a utility in Applications->System Tools called MenuEditor. But there isn't. What should I do?
[02:53] <Coily> dantheman, ubuntuguide.org tells you how
[02:54] <CarlK> you don't need a backup of the mbr -you can put a new one on as long as the partition table is still ok
[02:54] <Coily> CarlK, but if your partition table got messed with, youd be looking at unrecoverable dataloss?
[02:55] <rizla> hi
[02:55] <rizla> i have this problem:
[02:55] <rizla> dcgui-qt: Dipende: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3) ma non  installabile
[02:56] <rizla> what do i have to do?
[02:56] <Coily> rizla, google for the lib package and manually install it
[02:56] <liable> Coily: you have two hdd with diff ubuntus on them
[02:56] <liable> ?
[02:56] <rizla> ok Coily , thanx
[02:56] <Xappe> rizla: you'll be better off compiling dcgui-qt yourself, the ione in the repos are way too old
[02:57] <Coily> liable, well two hdd, but one is for xp the other for the 2 ubuntus
[02:57] <dantheman> i did what ubuntuguide told me, and i'm still staring at a measley one monitor
[02:57] <Coily> and the mbr im booting from is located on my xp hdd
[02:57] <dantheman> hold on a minute...i gotta restart X
[02:57] <liable> Coily: and you want to do what
[02:57] <rizla> ok Xappe
[02:58] <Coily> well, im currently booting from one of the ubuntu install's menu.list, but i want to boot from the other ubuntu install
[02:58] <Xappe> rizla: I can also recommend http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de
[02:58] <Xappe> rizla: that's what i'm using
[02:58] <Coily> this all came about because i deleted one of my ubuntu partitions, only to find that it was my root file system :x
[02:59] <rizla> ok, i'll try it
[02:59] <tle> T_T
[02:59] <liable> Coily: so run grub and change the partiton it runs from
[02:59] <tle> can some1 here help me out on making my i810 + my monitor work at 1024x768?
[02:59] <bogus> Xappe> is it better than valknut?
[02:59] <CarlK> tle - worked for me out of the box
[03:00] <\sh> morning
[03:00] <Coily> im assuming that would be 'grub-install /dev/hda' hda being the xp hdd whose mbr im using
[03:00] <bretzel> Good morning all ! :-)
[03:00] <Xappe> bogus: i guess that's a matter of taste, I hate the dcgui-qt user interface...it's so annoying
[03:00] <rizla> xappe, how can i install linuxdc++ from http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de?
[03:01] <bogus> indeed it is :)
[03:01] <liable> Coily: hmm, when you boot to ubuntu is it hda
[03:01] <liable> Coily: and id wnblows hdb
[03:01] <Xappe> rizla: by cvs
[03:01] <bretzel> Silly Question: how-to show windows from all desktops in the taskbar ( gnome ) -- sh*&^ I really can't remeber where to set this option!
[03:01] <Coily> liable, no xp is on hda and the ubuntu installs are on hdb, im currently using the mbr from hda to boot
[03:02] <compoundatom> hi
[03:02] <cens0red> excuse me, according to http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver there should be a utility in Applications->System Tools called MenuEditor. But there isn't. What should I do?
[03:02] <liable> Coily: so you boot to ubuntu from hda
[03:02] <Coily> liable, yup
[03:03] <compoundatom> would anyone here know about the status of vendor supplied linux notebooks/laptops? i know hp was (is?) doing one.
[03:03] <liable> Coily: and the ubuntu partition you want to boot to is what
[03:03] <Coily> liable, hdb5
[03:04] <CarlK> Pierre|Unk - no floppy http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
[03:04] <jkka> http://users.evtek.fi/~jukkash/wine_ie6.png
[03:04] <Pierre|Unk> Thanks CarlK
[03:04] <jkka> my new default browser :)
[03:04] <CarlK> you're welcome
[03:04] <liable> Coily: you are in ubuntu now?
[03:04] <N00B> Hello
[03:05] <cens0red> jkka ah you got IE working in wine? I've done that before.
[03:05] <Coily> liable, yes. im using the ubuntu install which has the menu.list i want to use
[03:05] <N00B> is it possble to had some programs to ubuntu Live cd?
[03:05] <liable> Coily:type  'grub'
[03:05] <jkka> yes, used the http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/#intro script
[03:05] <jkka> worked fine, im using hoary
[03:05] <Coily> liable, and?
[03:05] <snowblink> bretzel, click on the panel applet for your windows listing, then preferences
[03:06] <raydogg_> jkka, why are u using IE ?
[03:06] <raydogg_> jkka, requirement or something ?
[03:06] <jkka> heh, im not REALLY using it as default browser
[03:06] <Pierre|Unk> is there some way to make a particion for ubutu before installing it(from windows)?
[03:06] <liable> Coily: root (hd1,4)
[03:06] <jkka> but its good to have because some things requires ie
[03:06] <raydogg_> just making sure :-)
[03:06] <raydogg_> yeah
[03:06] <snowblink> Pierre|Unk, Partition Magic
[03:06] <Pierre|Unk> just so if it gets fecked up i just delete and so...
[03:06] <raydogg_> luckily nothing i Use does :-)
[03:07] <Pierre|Unk> wich one is it i should choose snowblink?
[03:07] <cens0red> I used IE in linux for viewing a site I put up. But prefer ff anyway.
[03:07] <Amaranth> Pierre|Unk: You can use something like Partition Magic to resize your windows partitions to make room for Ubuntu.
[03:07] <Amaranth> Pierre|Unk: Use the ubuntu installer to make the partitions in that free space.
[03:07] <locomorto> Pierre|Unk get system rescue cd, burn it, run it and then run qt_parted
[03:08] <N00B> Can someone tell me if it's possible to had some programs to Ubuntu live cd?
[03:08] <snowblink> Pierre|Unk, I believe Ubuntu can repartition NTFS partitions. Best to backup your data and defrag anyway
[03:08] <Coily> liable, how should that look exactly? >grub, >root (hd1,4) or 'grub (hd1,4)?
[03:08] <Burgundavia> N00B, there is a live cd customizer
[03:09] <Coily> er i meant on the 2nd one: 'grub root (hd1,4)'
[03:09] <liable> Coily: once you have typed grub you will get > then type 'root (hd1,4) 1 being your b drive, 4 being your 5th partition
[03:09] <N00B> Burgundavia, thx i can find it on ubuntu site i guess, but can i add what i want?
[03:10] <Burgundavia> N00B, pretty much the space is maxed out, but there are things you can remove
[03:10] <Coily> liable, gotcha. luckily i happened to know the starting from 0 thing :P
[03:10] <liable> heh
[03:10] <N00B> the program i want add is only few Ko heavy
[03:11] <Coily> liable, thanks for your help
[03:11] <liable> Coily: then 'setup (hd1)
[03:11] <Coily> liable, what does setup (hd1) do?
[03:12] <cens0red> excuse me, according to http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver there should be a utility in Applications->System Tools called MenuEditor. But there isn't. What should I do?
[03:12] <MistaED> might give ubuntu a reset
[03:12] <Choubaka> cens0red: install it.
[03:12] <Choubaka> you can find it in the package repositories.
[03:12] <Choubaka> use search .)
[03:13] <liable> Coily: actually you may disregard that if you are booting from hda :)
[03:13] <tle> the bug #5197 is bugging me so much, has any1 encountered this bug?
[03:13] <cens0red> Choubaka $ apt-cache search menueditor returns no results
[03:13] <bleezy> Hello
[03:13] <Choubaka> try menu editor :p
[03:13] <cens0red> nor does $ apt-cache search menu-editor
[03:13] <tle> the bug #5197 is bugging me so much, has any1 encountered this bug?
[03:13] <Coily> liable, er well what wouldve setup (hd1) have done?
[03:13] <Choubaka> hmm.
[03:14] <N00B> Burgundavia, do you know where to find the Live cd customizer?
[03:14] <Choubaka> I wonder if it's in the repositories after all
[03:14] <bleezy> Anyone help me with installing java ??
[03:14] <Burgundavia> N00B, dig around the wiki
[03:14] <Choubaka> cens0red: search the forums for it.
[03:14] <N00B> k
[03:14] <Choubaka> there's a thread.
[03:14] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, no menu editor in the wiki
[03:14] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, s/wiki/repos
[03:14] <Choubaka> then it was on the forums :/
[03:14] <bleezy> last time i did it i cut and pasted a web page but cant find it
[03:14] <Burgundavia> bleezy, www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:15] <liable> Coily: put it in yur hda mbr me thinks
[03:15] <bleezy> damn this pc is slow
[03:16] <larsrohdin> HI, i get this error message when opening a folder in Rox: Failed to create symlink '/home/larsrohdin/.icons/ROX':
[03:16] <larsrohdin> File exists
[03:16] <cens0red> Choubaka is there a single file that menueditor actually edits? I don't mind going in there with nano and editing it manually.
[03:16] <liable> Coily: s/hda/hdb
[03:16] <larsrohdin> someone told me to just delete the file, and it worked for a while, then it started again...
[03:16] <Choubaka> cens0red: I don't think it's a single file.
[03:16] <Coily> liable, well that is what i want to do. but youre saying the command would be redundant?
[03:16] <nachtwind> hi, is there someone who might tell me something about a SAMBA PDC?
[03:16] <Choubaka> so better go with a menu editorl.
[03:16] <Choubaka> -ll
[03:16] <Choubaka> +l :p
[03:17] <liable> Coily: well run that command, yes
[03:17] <Coily> liable, but you just said not to!
[03:17] <N00B> Hi for those who were searching like me how to customize your live cd the is an url: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[03:17] <cens0red> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=531407 there's about 203 threads which contain "menu editor", all of which may or may not contain info relevant to my question.
[03:17] <bleezy> this imac is retarted i think a 386 run faster
[03:18] <N00B> thx Burgundavia
[03:18] <Burgundavia> cens0red, look in 3rd party projects
[03:18] <liable> Coily: no do it, if you are booting from hda, dont mind me, short attention span
[03:19] <Burgundavia> cens0red, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67
[03:19] <frank> anybody else have problems creating new users?  I create them but can't login as the new user
[03:20] <bleezy> those instructions for java install didnt work for me :(
[03:20] <cens0red> Burgundavia thanks for your help. The link is broken though.
[03:20] <Coily> liable, why would using hd1 install it to hda? wouldnt i want to use hd0?
[03:20] <cens0red> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.1-1_i386.deb
[03:20] <crypticreign[w] >  hmm, i wonder if there is a way to have xhcat show the channel listings on two rows
[03:21] <Burgundavia> cens0red, hmm
[03:21] <liable> Coily: you are right, yes hd0 is what you want
[03:21] <frank> censored: I'm sending it to you
[03:21] <Coily> liable, ok glad i asked...
[03:21] <bretzel> snowblink: :-) Hi there :-)  -- I said it was a silly question: In fact, I was unable to find that little area to right-click and get the preferences... ( I was AFK sorry for my late reply ) Thus, Thank you kind friend :-)
[03:21] <liable> Coily: yes, one too many beers gere :)
[03:22] <bleezy> anyone know easy way to install java ??
[03:22] <liable> here even
[03:22] <crypticreign[w] > bleezy: yes, its on ubuntuguide.org
[03:22] <Coily> liable, its ok. thank you for your help
[03:22] <bleezy> that didnt work
[03:22] <liable> Coily: dont thank me yet :)
[03:23] <cens0red> frank and Burgundavia thanks.
[03:23] <frank> np
[03:23] <Coily> :O
[03:23] <Burgundavia> cens0red, np
[03:24] <bleezy> What do I do if that doesnt work
[03:24] <bleezy> i getno such fil or directory
[03:25] <crypticreign[w] > bleezy: it doesnt work?  er, i've done it several times.. at work we have a tricky java app thats very picky and it works fine
[03:28] <Coily> liable, im wondering if the setup command is necessary, wouldnt grub already be installed to the ubuntu install (there's already a /boot/grub and it has the menu.list alreayd config'd to what i want)?
[03:29] <larsrohdin> can someone help me with this: i get this error message from ROX-filer all the time... Failed to create symlink '/home/larsrohdin/.icons/ROX':
[03:29] <larsrohdin> File exists
[03:29] <Coily> liable, actually i got stuck on that hd1 thing... what i meant was wouldnt grub already be installed to the mbr?
[03:29] <Coily> larsrohdin, just delete the fiel and try making the link again
[03:29] <Coily> file
[03:30] <larsrohdin> Coily, ive tried deleting it, but it comes back the next time i open e.g. my home directory
[03:30] <Pierre|Unk> hmm
[03:30] <Pierre|Unk> i have problems using rawwrite to write a boot disk
[03:31] <Pierre|Unk> i can format the floppy and rawwrite says it successfully installed the stuff on my floppy but when i check it its empty
[03:31] <Pierre|Unk> try with some other floppy or just skip it? :P
[03:31] <Coily> larsrohdin, thats all ive got...
[03:31] <bleezy> crypticreign[w] ,  failed again
[03:31] <downpour> whats a floppy? =P
[03:32] <larsrohdin> aaarrggg.... does anyone know a good substitute for ROX-filer?
[03:32] <downpour> larsrohdin why not just use nautilus?
[03:32] <larsrohdin> downpour, im not using gnome
[03:32] <downpour> so use nautilus --no-desktop
[03:32] <downpour> u don't have gnome installed?
[03:32] <cens0red> thanx. Appear to have nvidia drivers set up now.
[03:33] <crypticreign[w] > bleezy: odd
[03:33] <larsrohdin> downpour, yes i have, but im using fluxbox
[03:33] <liable> Coily: yes but grub is pointing to the wrong partition in the mbr, i believe you need to point it at the right partition
[03:33] <bleezy> i get authent failed
[03:33] <crypticreign[w] > larsrohdin: thunar.. not released yet tho :)
[03:33] <cens0red> hey are the glx drivers for ubuntu proper nvidia drivers with 3d?
[03:33] <downpour> larsrohdin so just use nautilus --no-desktop
[03:33] <larsrohdin> crypticreign[w] , doesn't help me then
[03:33] <MyKq3> i don't want to b roud or any thingy but can some one expline me how come UbuntuLinux konws how to handel multiCPU MB but can't automount partions... =\
[03:33] <crypticreign[w] > larsrohdin: heh.. i know
[03:34] <cens0red> I assume they would be, I got the nvidia splash screen when I booted up.
[03:34] <bleezy> GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[03:34] <bleezy> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[03:34] <larsrohdin> downpour, you mean to put it in the .xsession and that?
[03:34] <frank> cens0red, they are
[03:34] <downpour> larsrohdin just run it from the menu with that command
[03:34] <downpour> i believe its that command anyway
[03:35] <Coily> how do i change the location of the root fs, i have 2 ubuntu installs and i want to use the other ubuntu install to boot
[03:35] <larsrohdin> yeah ok... but i still have the problems with the icons...
[03:35] <downpour> Coily /etc/fstab
[03:35] <frank> cens0red, you need to install them in the chroot separately to get cedega to use them as well
[03:35] <cens0red> frank excellent. thanx.
[03:35] <cens0red> frank what is cedega?
[03:35] <bleezy> jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin: line 262: ./install.sfx.8297: cannot execute binary file
[03:35] <bleezy> why does this happen
[03:36] <frank> cens0red, sorry I though you were someone else
[03:36] <cens0red> np.
[03:36] <frank> cens0red, Cedega is a program to run windows games
[03:36] <liable> Coily: try 'grub-update'
[03:36] <cikilin> can anybody show me how to write a cd data with gnomebaker?
[03:36] <larsrohdin> downpour, i have the same problem with nautilus... i get only blank icons and stuff...
[03:36] <downpour> larsrohdin just rm -rf .icons perhaps
[03:37] <Ubuntu-n00b> Anyone good on Xorg problems?  I'm stuck at 640x480@60hz and dpkg-reconfigure didn't help.
[03:37] <Coily> liable, instead of setup?
[03:37] <downpour> Ubuntu-n00b run xorgconfig
[03:37] <larsrohdin> downpour, what does that do?
[03:37] <downpour> as root
[03:38] <Coily> downpour, you misread my question
[03:38] <downpour> Coily eh?
[03:38] <larsrohdin> downpour, didn't help
[03:38] <Ubuntu-n00b> The bizzarre thing is that the LiveCD worked almost perfectly.  The only problem I had was the bit depth which was easily corrected.  Now that I've done a genuine install, I'm having this problem.
[03:38] <Coily> downpour, i want to change which ubuntu install the mbr uses to boot
[03:39] <downpour> Coily you mean which partition?
[03:39] <Coily> downpour, correct
[03:39] <downpour> larsrohdin are you running it from a terminal..errors?
 cens0red, Cedega is a program to run windows games
[03:39] <cens0red> never heard of it. Is that like WineX ?
[03:39] <liable> Coily: just do as i said, its always fixable, 'grub'    'root (hd0,4)'     'setup (hd0)'
[03:39] <slask3n> cens0red: it is WineX
[03:40] <cens0red> sladen open source cedega?
[03:40] <cens0red> slask3n ok.
[03:40] <slask3n> cens0red: visit http://www.transgaming.com and read more...
[03:40] <larsrohdin> downpour, no errors... nothing happens...
[03:40] <downpour> liable if he wants to use a different partition he has to edit /etc/fstab
[03:40] <Coily> liable, the problem is i wouldnt know how to fix it =[
[03:40] <downpour> larsrohdin you get no icons?
[03:40] <liable> downpour: grub doesnt even know what fstab is
[03:40] <bleezy> how do i run a rpm file here ?
[03:41] <Coily> ya thats what i was wondering
[03:41] <downpour> liable edit it by hand
[03:41] <bleezy> well under this distro
[03:41] <Coily> downpour, edit what by hand?
[03:41] <liable> downpour: fstab gets read once the kernel is loaded
[03:41] <larsrohdin> downpour, i have icons but they are ugly... just whit... or in the ROX-filer they are questionmarks...
[03:42] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone from mumbai, india out here having the ubuntu cds ? i'd like to buy them...
[03:42] <Coily> liable, which would be a little late :O
[03:42] <downpour> liable I've done this before i make a backup partition of one install then another install with reiser4 and just edit /etc/fstab
[03:43] <bleezy> how do I install Limewire.rpm ??
[03:43] <Coily> downpour, doesnt that mean youre using the old partition's kernel to access the new partition's files?
[03:43] <downpour> unless im not understanding what Coily is trying to do
[03:44] <Ubuntu-n00b> My choices  made the x-server cough up a cow.
[03:44] <downpour> Coily nah i make an archive of my backup then unpack it to my reiser4 install
[03:44] <liable> downpour: ok, but we are talking about grub here, all it does is look in the right spot for a vmlinuz image
[03:44] <downpour> yeah
[03:44] <downpour> maybe I'm not sure how ubuntu sets things up this is my first time using it
[03:44] <downpour> i always have my /boot on a seperate partition
[03:45] <windi> there is no reason really to have it on a separate partition, unless your bios can't map that far
[03:45] <larsrohdin> downpour, out of ideas?
[03:45] <Coily> downpour, er ya grub is installed with ubuntu's partition ='[
[03:45] <downpour> i usually setup hda1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9
[03:45] <Coily> i wouldnt have this damn problem if it was on a different partition....
[03:45] <downpour> ah
[03:46] <downpour> run grub
[03:46] <keffo> hmm, this is really odd.. never had this problem before, i sit and do nothing.. just surfing around.. suddenly everything starts to lag and xorg takes about 70-80% of my memory.. and i cant do anything, sap between windows or anything
[03:46] <keffo> wtf.
[03:46] <downpour> root (hd0,whatever)
[03:46] <downpour> setup (hd0)
[03:46] <Remenic> when I try to play a sound with rhytmbox, I get "Could not open resource for writing.". The Ubuntu Device database can't play any sound either, but mplayer on the other hand plays sound just fine... anyone what could be wrong?
[03:46] <downpour> quit
[03:46] <St0n3-C0l> I've two questions 1) Can we use Kmenueditor for GNOME's menu editing 2) where I can find gdesklets things like I can find files for SuperKaramba in www.kde-look.org
[03:46] <bleezy>  LimeWireLinux.rpm      how do i install this ??/
[03:46] <Remenic> anyone know*
[03:46] <Coily> downpour, yay liable said the same thing! i hope youre both right
[03:46] <downpour> lol
[03:47] <pmai> how too restart X ?
[03:47] <pmai> to
[03:47] <downpour> bleezy perhaps install rpm2tgz
[03:47] <Ubuntu-n00b> bleezy Have you tried rpm -i <filename>?
[03:47] <downpour> limewire also requires java afaik
[03:48] <St0n3-C0l> Ubuntu-n00b: It'll surely give errors of Dependencies
[03:48] <jovian> pmai, ctrl+alt+backspace to restart x
[03:48] <liable> pmai: ctl + alt + back
[03:48] <Ubuntu-n00b> Yes it does.  Is it not installed by default?  I haven't gotten the far. :\
[03:48] <bleezy> Ubuntu-n00b,   yes said use alien
[03:48] <larsrohdin> downpour, help? this all started when i upgraded to hoary...
[03:49] <jovian> does anyone else have bad memory leaks in ubuntu in general usage
[03:49] <linuxn00b> Hi. Has anyone got Ati 9X00 working with Hoary?
[03:49] <linuxn00b> Kinda wasted three hours trying to get it to work using various HOWTO's on the forum..
[03:49] <downpour> larsrohdin running grub didn't work? you also have to edit the grub config in /boot/grub
[03:49] <jovian> Im using linux686 kernel thats provided by ubuntu
[03:50] <larsrohdin> downpour, i was the one with weird icons...
[03:50] <Gurum> Some screen savers seem to crash Xserver completely (with no way to get out of it) and thought it might be the video card driver..
[03:50] <downpour> oh lol
[03:50] <larsrohdin> =)
[03:50] <downpour> got confused
[03:50] <downpour> erm
[03:50] <larsrohdin> no problem, i see you have a lot to do
[03:50] <downpour> nah
[03:50] <downpour> hrmmm
[03:50] <Gurum> omniscient, can you please tell this Ubuntu n00b how to get his ATI card working with hardware 3d?
[03:50] <jovian> I had the same problem with  warty as well
[03:51] <liable> Gurum: buy another card :)
[03:51] <downpour> do you have an icon theme seleted in the gnome theme config
[03:51] <St0n3-C0l> Can we use Kmenueditor for gnome ;)
[03:51] <omniscient> Gurum, apt-cache search ati
[03:51] <omniscient> ?
[03:51] <Gurum> liable? another card? It works perfectly with Knoppix with default driver...with 3d enabled..
[03:51] <St0n3-C0l> did anyone tried.
[03:51] <omniscient> theres some apps related to ati there
[03:51] <omniscient> im pretty sure
[03:51] <downpour> im not really a gnome person been using flux for the past 6 years heh
[03:52] <Gurum> glrx or whatever doesn't seem to load, and defaults to Mesa..
[03:52] <liable> Gurum: well load the driver that knoppix uses then
[03:52] <larsrohdin> downpour, me too
[03:52] <Ubuntu-n00b> I don't have an ATI card...  Oh wait, maybe I should change my nick. ;)
[03:52] <Gurum> flux.. yuck... I would understand people at least using Xfce..but blackbox/flux  (shudders).
[03:52] <tapia> hi
[03:52] <tapia> I get this when doing a "apt-get update":
[03:52] <downpour> Gurum whats wrong wit the boxes they are nice and small ;] 
[03:52] <tapia> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[03:52] <tapia> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:52] <tapia> how can I fix it?
[03:53] <riji> hmm does anyone here know how to resume a download with wget?
[03:53] <riji> (it got abborted by a forced reboot
[03:53] <queuetue> Does anyone use a sales tracking and workflow system?  Something that can be set up to automatically notify salespeople or send out reminder letters to customers and propects?
[03:53] <tapia> riji: wget -c
[03:53] <Gurum> so I got my printer, digital camera, java, Palm tungsten t3 working.. after 12 hours..
[03:53] <deFrysk> anyone knows why the pc reboots after attemping to boot into xp with grub ?
[03:53] <Gurum> kinda sad.
[03:53] <pmai> thank
[03:54] <Gurum> does anyone know how to force fsck check on all disks during boot?
[03:54] <downpour> deFrysk cuz xp is crap =P
[03:54] <deFrysk> downclimb, true
[03:54] <deFrysk> ;p
[03:54] <ddol526> hello?
[03:54] <ddol526> anybody there?
[03:54] <ddol526> ?
[03:54] <riji> thc tapia
[03:54] <snowblink> ddol526, just us chickens
[03:54] <downpour> Gurum there is an option for this somewhere in /etc forget which file it is
[03:55] <liable> Coily: hows it all goin
[03:55] <downpour> Gurum google is your friend =P
[03:55] <ddol526> wow;;; this is first time using irc;;;
[03:55] <Gurum> downpour, I know..but this time he wasn't much of help..
[03:55] <downpour> heh
[03:55] <Gurum> also, he wasn't much of help with getting links2 -g working under Hoary..
[03:56] <Coily> liable, im not gonna do it till i reboot but ill let you know
[03:56] <SeamusLP> Hey anyone know what repository w32codecs is in?
[03:59] <downpour> Gurum http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[03:59] <Gurum> downpour thanks..
[03:59] <downpour> i believe you can do this in /etc/fstab
[03:59] <downpour> just set the fsck flag
[03:59] <chazwurth> SeamusLP: I got it from Marillat I believe
[03:59] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, marilliar
[04:00] <Gurum> does anyone know how fault tolerant ext2 is?
[04:00] <Gurum> let say power just dies, etc...
[04:00] <downpour> heh
[04:00] <Gurum> In the past I have thrashed linux/Win NT systems bec. of this..
[04:00] <downpour> just stick with ext3 its the defacto these days
[04:01] <downpour> and stable
[04:01] <Gurum> oh.. my bad.. using ext3...
[04:01] <Gurum> so will ext3 survive random crashes?
[04:01] <SeamusLP> Gurum, ext3 is solid
[04:01] <downpour> Gurum whos to say...but its the most stable fs
[04:01] <Gurum> also does anyone know of some sort of disk compression program like NTFS with compression turned on?
[04:02] <Gurum> I cringe everytime I have to hard reset my computer.. :D
[04:02] <Gurum> bec. I don't backup my computer....
[04:02] <chazwurth> Gurum: Maybe you should start doing regular backups :P
[04:02] <SeamusLP> I usually don't have to hard reset
[04:02] <SeamusLP> The worse I've had to do is kill x
[04:03] <Gurum> chazwurth, easy to backup 30 gig partition?
[04:03] <Coily> i have 2 free space partitions, a 20gb once which is part of an extended partition and a 50gb partition when has never been formatted. how do i 'merge' this free space?
[04:03] <Coily> err once=one
[04:03] <downpour> Coily you can try install qtparted
[04:03] <Gurum> Coily, in Windows, you could use Partition Magic..
[04:03] <downpour> i believe is the name
[04:03] <chazwurth> Gurum: Hard drives are cheap. If you can, buy or save up for another drive to use for backups.
[04:04] <liable> Coily: did you fix the grub thing or not
[04:04] <sic|work> Good morning, two issues...warty...#1. will not start gdm automatically on boot, only goes to command prompt login. #2. will not keep resolution, resets every time I reboot.  Any solutions?
[04:04] <Coily> liable, i still havent rebooted
[04:04] <Gurum> i c... anyone using software RAID 1?
[04:04] <liable> bah
[04:04] <SeamusLP> Gurum:  I backup to DVD
[04:04] <Gurum> I have three hard drives (80 gig, 160 gig, 250 gig)..
[04:04] <Coily> =[
[04:04] <downpour> Coily qtparted http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/
[04:04] <chazwurth> Gurum: I'm not, but I probably should be, heh.
[04:04] <bretzel> Hey, I am reading this conversation: I wonder if I made a mistake to try XFS as my "/" filesystem ... ?
[04:04] <Gurum> sic, i had that problem, I just reinstalled gdm...
[04:04] <Burgundavia> Coily, gparted is in the repos
[04:04] <sic|work> gurum: I tried that...it didn't work
[04:05] <Coily> as for the free space thing... theres no downside to having one partition split into 2 sectors on my hdd?
[04:05] <Coily> i have qtprted installed, actually
[04:05] <Gurum> sic, completely remove gdm, and then reinstall....
[04:05] <sic|work> tried that too
[04:05] <Chipparn> i need help with mounting ntfs partition.. i got a 160 gb Sata disk formated in ntfs that i want to mount. is there a mounting tool in ubuntu that i dont know about? i have tried mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/ that works but i cant get access to the /mnt/ folder
[04:05] <Gurum> sic, then look at your init files....
[04:05] <da_bon_bon> hey anyone from mumbai, india out here having the ubuntu cds ? i'd like to buy them...
[04:05] <Gurum> can you kill gdm and restart gdm as root?
[04:05] <sic|work> yes
[04:05] <liable> Coily: use qparted, just make sure the partition that you are using isnt actually mounted at the time
[04:06] <Coily> Chipparn, you must add it to fstab then mount -a
[04:06] <b_e_n_z> Chipparn, man mount and check the dmask option
[04:06] <Gurum> Chipparn, do you own the folder? chown maybe? (another problem I encountered lately)
[04:06] <Gurum> Chipparn, unofficial ubuntu howto has excellent guide on auto mounting partitions..
[04:06] <Chipparn> ok thanks
[04:07] <Gurum> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:07] <liable> s/using/partitioning
[04:07] <bretzel> da_bon_bon: buy it? go to the ubuntulinux.org and then find the link to the "shiptit" it is sent free of charge! ( register, enter your mail address ...
[04:07] <sic|work> chipparn this is how I mount mine in fstab: /dev/hda1       /home/administrator/winxp      ntfs    ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[04:07] <bretzel> or -- is it still available ( regarding hoary ) ? -- asking
[04:08] <Coily> liable, i have qtparted running but i cant do anything with the freespace partitions
[04:08] <N00B> can i install every debian package on ubuntu?
[04:08] <Gurum> Coily, I didn't have too good experience with qtparted.. I recommend partition magic..
[04:08] <Gurum> it can do amazing things..
[04:08] <da_bon_bon> bretzel: ya, but india is on their "secondary lists" it seems - i recd the warty cds on 29th december. and i cant wait that late for hoary
[04:08] <Chipparn> sic|work thanks
[04:08] <Coily> Gurum, once i get it installed, what will i do next
[04:09] <sic|work> np...I got that from the unbuntu guide
[04:09] <Funraiser> could someone explain me how to have an RSS feed directly on the desktop? I busy on my studies so if someone could explain me that i would save some time...
[04:09] <liable> Coily: what does it say
[04:09] <Funraiser> please
[04:09] <Gurum> Coily, the program is realy easy to use.. no need to read manuals..
[04:09] <downpour> Funraiser gdesklets or adesklets can do this
[04:09] <Coily> liable, well everything is greyed out for both partitions, and i dont see anything in the menu which would pertain to what im tryinf to do
[04:09] <bretzel> :-) -- I did order warthy ( 5 cd's ) and I recieved it 5-6 week after :-) Thus I didn't tried for hoary yet ... ( I am in Montreal, Canada)
[04:09] <Gurum> you would want to combine partitions.. but it would only work if two partitions are next to each other..
[04:10] <jai> morning
[04:10] <Coily> Gurum, thats the problem. theyre not
[04:10] <N00B> HI, Do you know if we can install any debian package on ubuntu?
[04:10] <Gurum> Coil, what's your partition configuration right now?
[04:10] <Gurum> n00b, works most of the time..
[04:10] <N00B> thx
[04:10] <liable> Coily: these are empty partitions?
[04:10] <jai> stupid question: why cant i play MP3.  i have just moved over from XP and im learning
[04:11] <Gurum> n00b, i recommend just downloading latest source and compiling them..
[04:11] <jai> i get an error
[04:11] <Sauron21> I was wondering if anyone could tell me how I can autostart a program?(something like the "Startup" folder maybe)?
[04:11] <Effie> moin
[04:11] <Coily> liable, yes. one was part of an extended partition, the other has never been formatted
[04:11] <liable> Coily: not formatted or mounted?
[04:11] <bretzel> da_bon_bon: Regarding hoary, I have burned then installed on all my home computer... I say it is a very good move!
[04:11] <chazwurth> jai: There's a package you have to install first. Do you know if you've enabled the universe repository?
[04:11] <Gurum> jai, you need to download mp3 decoders... enable universe, multiverse, or whatever repositories..and install mp3 decoders..
[04:11] <Coily> liable, correct
[04:11] <Gurum> better yet, just get xmms...will work out of box.
[04:11] <jai> WOW!  over my head.
[04:11] <N00B> ok, but i'm really noob it is not too complicated to compile sources for Ubuntu?
[04:12] <jai> no i dont know if i have.  how do i enable the universe repository
[04:12] <Gurum> Sauron, Gnome menu -> system -> xsessions -> look for start up programs.
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> bretzel: do NOt make me more miserable than i already am... :( :P
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> if i get the cds now i can keep on updating -* if not, again it will be 300mb to update, and then i wont be able to do it on my 2kbps
[04:12] <chazwurth> jai: Take a look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:13] <Xgates> man I went off to watch that DVD and here I am been fussing with it ever since
[04:13] <Gurum> da_bon, no friend with broadband?
[04:13] <chazwurth> jai: Particularly at the section regarding the sources.list file.
[04:13] <Coily> Gurum, what command should i use to list the partition table (fdisk -l just shows the formatted partitions)
[04:13] <jai> Awsome...thanks
[04:13] <bretzel> da_bon_bon: Why ? what is your connection ? ( dialup, ISDN, broadband ?)
[04:13] <chazwurth> jai: There are a lot of other useful tips on that page as well.
[04:13] <Xgates> man I killed almost all the services that you can, then I installed blackbox and got it all done up, and still Xine is jumpy, skipping through the movie
[04:13] <jai> i will book mark it
[04:13] <Xgates> anyone else cant get Xine to run smooth
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> bretzel: cable - but the connection is slow coz i cant afford higher speed plans
[04:13] <chazwurth> jai: And the package you want for mp3 playback is gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:14] <Gurum> fdisk?
[04:14] <jai> do any of you use Ventrilo for voice
[04:14] <Xgates> man I have never had issues running Xine in Slack
[04:14] <Coily> Xgates, how much physical/swap memory do you have
[04:14] <Gurum> fdisk /dev/hda(b)(c)(d)
[04:14] <Gurum> type help for help.
[04:14] <Gurum> of course, you can use qtparted to look at partitions
[04:14] <Zotnix> Heh
[04:14] <Coily> Gurum, but yuo asked me to tell you what they are
[04:14] <Zotnix> 190 updates... and growing.
[04:14] <Xgates> Coily: my memory is not the problem, I've been running Xine in Slackware 5 years SMOOTH as a babies ASS
[04:14] <bretzel> da_bon_bon: I think 128kbits/s can be ok if you're patient  - then download haory ISO ?
[04:15] <Xgates> now in Ubuntu it SUCKS
[04:15] <Gurum> xgates, tried Mplayer/Totem?
[04:15] <Xgates> I think personally its crappy compiling
[04:15] <Xgates> I dont like Mplayer
[04:15] <Gurum> xgates, if it really sucks, maybe you can just try mplayer text based.
[04:15] <Coily> Xgates, xine runs fine for me so i dont know what to say...
[04:15] <St0n3-C0l> Xgates: Totem is fine.
[04:15] <liable> Coily: and you cant touch the unformatted one?
[04:15] <da_bon_bon> bretzel: it is 2kbps , not 128
[04:15] <Zotnix> Or install xine yourself.
[04:15] <Coily> liable, i can not
[04:15] <St0n3-C0l> Gurum: I've seen MPlayer freezes in GNOME but works perfectly in KDE
[04:16] <Xgates> I want Xine or Ogle I'll try because those 2 will give you a fuller FULL screen, Mplayer doesnt fill the screen all the way full like Xine or Ogle do
[04:16] <benja> what is Hoary Sound Media Device.. /dev/dsp ?
[04:16] <Gurum> Coily, there is Windows PE Iso floating around with good system software like partition magic.. no need to install Windows
[04:16] <liable> Coily: hmmm, have a live distro?
[04:16] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Have you tried different mirrors? Or is that just the speed of your connection?
[04:16] <Gurum> Xgates "mplayer -zoom -fs"
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: speed of my connection
[04:16] <bretzel> da_bon_bon: You mean 2 kilobytes/sec ? ouch! I agree with you - Then you may go to the shipit and order one ?
[04:16] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: :(
[04:16] <Coily> liable, no, but what do you need me to run?
[04:17] <Gurum> seriously, when I was running Pentium II 266, I managed to watch Divx using Mplayer without using Xserer....
[04:17] <Sauron21> Has anyone here ever burned a .img file in linux??
[04:17] <da_bon_bon> bretzel: i have ordered, but it will take june
[04:17] <Gurum> sauron, have you looked at K3b?
[04:17] <da_bon_bon> so i was looking for some fellow indians to buy it from
[04:17] <Sauron21> I have....but k3d only burns .iso files....
[04:17] <liable> Coily: anything that runs in mem, such as knoppix or system rescue
[04:18] <Funraiser> downpour, do u know how to use gdesklets ?
[04:18] <Coily> liable, i got that part, i mean what do you need me to do from there
[04:18] <Gurum> CD recording: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/
[04:18] <Gurum> google is your friend :)
[04:18] <Xgates> St0n3-C0l: Totem is just a FE to gstreamer or Xine and since I have Xine and totem-xine if Xine is lagging here then totem will too, its the same
[04:18] <Xgates> hehe
[04:18] <St0n3-C0l> Xine is laggin ?? strange.
[04:18] <Gurum> xgates, what is the spec of your computer?
[04:18] <Tinamoo> Hi, I installed ubuntu 5.04 and it hangs in Gdm and won't go further. any clues??
[04:19] <Funraiser> does someone know how to use gdesklet?
[04:19] <bretzel> da_bon_bon: yes, ( can't find english words for " Je sympatise" with you ) :-( So, if it is already ordered, then .... sorry :-(
[04:19] <St0n3-C0l> use win32-codecs and check the quality of the disc
[04:19] <Sauron21> Gurum: I have been there....hehe....didnt help......
[04:19] <da_bon_bon> bretzel: no problemo :)
[04:19] <Zotnix> Xgates:> Is it that mplayer won't go into full screen (it stays in a small window even when you try full screen)?
[04:19] <jai> cant seem to find what you were talking about.  still dont know where to find drivers or whatever it is i need to listen to music
[04:19] <liable> Coily: well, if it doesnt run in a live distro, then I have no idea, is a bit strange that you cant touch it if its not mounted
[04:20] <Gurum> Sauron, just an idea.. when I was trying to get MP3s to play on my Pentium 90 computer using 2X CD Drive... I increased xmmms or mp123 buffer to max... mp3's played fine afterwards
[04:20] <Coily> liable, all i need to know is that if merging these two freespace partitions, which are seperated in sector blocks by different partitions, is possible
[04:20] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Do you know how long it takes to ship to your location using the US postal service, from the US?
[04:20] <bretzel> da_bon_bon: I hope you will survive (joke ) :-)
[04:20] <St0n3-C0l> Well...new version of mplayer from Ubuntu doesn't do full screen...the size of the screen remains same
[04:20] <Gurum> Coily, that probably won't be possible...since partition has to be in contigous sector.
[04:20] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: If you'd be willing to give me your address, I'd be willing to ship you CDs; I just looked the rates up, they're quite cheap for light objects.
[04:20] <Xgates> Zotnix: no Im saying Mplayer as compared to Xine will not, that is just how Mplayer is built
[04:20] <trans_err> St0n3-C0l: try a different VO
[04:20] <Gurum> stone, it does full screen....
[04:21] <Xgates> btw what MPlayer pack is working best for most?
[04:21] <Gurum> also, try pressing "f"
[04:21] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: are you sure ?
[04:21] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: If you're interested, msg me.
[04:21] <Gurum> also -zoom -fs
[04:21] <benja> what is Hoary Sound Media Device.. /dev/dsp ?
[04:21] <Xgates> Mplayer-686
[04:21] <Zotnix> St0n3-C0l:> I've had that problem. Sometimes   mplayer -vo sdl     or    mplayer -vo xv   works better.
[04:21] <Xgates> transitional dummy package which can be safely removed
[04:21] <Xgates> Dummy package to upgrade to the new package mplayer-586
[04:21] <Gurum> Actually, I had to compile mplayer from source to enable W32 codecs.
[04:21] <Xgates> whats this?
[04:21] <Xgates> dummy pack?
[04:21] <Zotnix> I personally use -vo xv
[04:21] <trans_err> Gurum: zoom is only required for a few of the vo's-- sdl and xv work better w/o
[04:22] <Funraiser> nobody uses gdesklet??
[04:22] <bretzel> chazwurth: wow! you are a kind person :-)
[04:22] <Gurum> trans, oh..
[04:22] <liable> Coily: dunno, but I doubt it, out of my league
[04:22] <Coily> liable, hm well then
[04:22] <Gurum> well, try compiling from source... compiled just fine.... get all Win32 codecs...
[04:22] <liable> Coily: but dont take my word for it
[04:22] <Gurum> Also, try VLC... seems to work well as well.
[04:22] <Xgates> is there a tool in Ubuntu that helps you make .deb packs?
[04:22] <Xgates> I have never made them before
[04:22] <Zotnix> In /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf you can edit the default vo
[04:22] <Coily> ill try to explain my partition table and maybe i can get an idea from someone
[04:23] <liable> Coily: google is your friend
[04:23] <Xgates> I dont care to compile Xine thats no biggie I just like neatness and would like to pack it into a .deb to then install it
[04:23] <nekohayo> any breezy badger user experiencing a broken gaim this morning?
[04:23] <Gurum> Coily, same time.. just move important stuff to CD/DVD or another drive..
[04:23] <Xgates> at least then I'd know the friggin thing worked good
[04:23] <Gurum> repartition your drive from scratch..
[04:23] <Gurum> honestly, I wouldn't trust Qtparted..
[04:24] <Xgates> I get the feeling this Mplayer was compiled with bad flags for the arch, cpu
[04:24] <Xgates> ..
[04:24] <Gurum> xgates, well, 386 should be fine for AMD athlons.. seriously, we are not Gentoo freaks here.
[04:24] <Coily> can the ubuntu install disk copy my ubuntu installation to a freespace partition?
[04:24] <chazwurth> bretzel: Eh, it's a couple of bucks, and it spreads Linux joy :P
[04:25] <Xgates> Gurum: neither am I and 386 is not good
[04:25] <Xgates> well depends on the mcpu what it was done as
[04:25] <Gurum> Btw, people, isn't it possible to just mount whatever partition to root, and it'll merge, right?
[04:25] <Xgates> but I have run Xine 5 years on this box, and Xine here in Ubuntu is awful
[04:26] <Gurum> xgates, perhaps it might be also video driver....
[04:26] <Gurum> xgates, I wasted three hours trying to get ATI 9100 work here..
[04:26] <Gurum> :(
[04:26] <Gurum> well, I am not a big fan of Xine.. it crahses all the time..
[04:26] <Kishu> I heard there is a program for linux that supports writing to ntfs partitions?
[04:26] <Coily> Gurum, but thats not what i want to do, i need to backup an xp partition with the freespace
[04:26] <Kishu> Can anyone tell me what the name of it is?
[04:26] <Coily> asking again?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> Kishu, yes, but very experimental
[04:26] <Coily> er again:
[04:26] <Coily> can the ubuntu install disk copy my ubuntu installation to a freespace partition?
[04:26] <Gurum> kishu, captive-ntfs?
[04:27] <liable> Coily: man dd
[04:27] <Gurum> Coily, if you just want to backup, I recommend Norton Ghost.. I am pretty sure there is linux equivalent, so help.
[04:27] <Gurum> Kishu, don't try...you'll corrupt your disk..
[04:27] <Xgates> Gurum: nope video driver fine
[04:27] <Gurum> Fat32 is fine..but NTFS... experimental.
[04:28] <membreya> Gurum: to backup my linux partition I just use rsync on a cron job :)
[04:28] <Kishu> Because linux doesn't really support ntfs on it's own, would linux support an ntfs partition on a USB harddisk?
[04:28] <Coily> Gurum, no its not to backup, its to use for booting
[04:28] <Xgates> like I said been running this box 5 years in Slack, Gnome, Kde, Openbox, Xine, Mplayer, XMMS, Evolution, Firefox, and on and on and on
[04:28] <Coily> ill ask again, updated:
[04:28] <Gurum> Coily, also I think you'll run into problem if you really mess your parttion with Win XP...
[04:28] <kkathman> anyone a python guru here?
[04:28] <Xgates> you name it I have compiled TONS of apps in Slackware, and everything ran like perfection
[04:28] <Coily> can the ubuntu install disk copy my ubuntu installation to a freespace partition, keeping the copied install bootable?
[04:28] <Kishu> I want to put a hd in a hd-case but it's 300 gb and FAT32 doesn't support that much
[04:29] <selinium> Kishu: what are you trying to do with the hd?
[04:29] <Gurum> I've tried something like that before...and even edited config files...didn't boot
[04:29] <Kishu> So, if I would make it ntfs would linux support it because the USB converts it or something?
[04:29] <liable> Coily: look at partimage
[04:29] <Coily> Gurum, well maybe someone can get it working
[04:29] <Gurum> kishu, ntfs is ntfs.
[04:29] <selinium> Kishu: you would be able to read fromthe disk, but not write
[04:29] <frank> Kishu: a vmware running windows XP that mounts a physicsl partition should work
[04:30] <Gurum> kshu, stick to Fat32...also, it's probably not a good idea to have 300 gig in one partition.... split into three 90 gig..
[04:30] <Gurum> btw, vmware 5.0 is amazing.. boots faster than real WinXP...
[04:30] <Anubis> there appears to be a memory hole in nicotine 1.8rc1
[04:30] <Gurum> vmware can actually play divx movies inside win xp... supports usb devices.... etc...
[04:30] <Anubis> anybody putting together 1.8 final?
[04:30] <Gurum> amazing..
[04:31] <Anubis> can alien turn a tarball into a .deb?
[04:31] <Coily> liable, thats what im looking for. thanks
[04:31] <liable> Coily: np
[04:32] <Gurum> coily, what was the solution?
[04:32] <Coily> Gurum, partimage
[04:33] <Gurum> partimage can actually join two non-joining partitions? :-O
[04:33] <membreya> can it ? :|
[04:33] <mvirkkil> Anubis: no.
[04:33] <Coily> Gurum, no. it can copy an ubuntu partition
[04:33] <shawnh> morgan
[04:33] <liable> Gurum: read his last question
[04:33] <shawnh> how is everyone
[04:33] <shawnh> 29mbc
[04:33] <shawnh>  hey my birthday is  nez week
[04:33] <Gurum> oh..
[04:34] <shawnh> mirk
[04:34] <benja> what is Hoary Sound Media Device.. /dev/dsp ?
[04:34] <someone_1> hmm.
[04:34] <shawnh> moaning beji
[04:34] <everyone_> shawnh: I'm fine :-)
[04:34] <shawnh> that soud is pretty hoary
[04:34] <Xgates> hell I mean my box is no scream machine but for Linux its fast enough, AMD 1.1 on 384MB, and I'm even running Blackbox on a custom compiled kernel, with just about all the startup services killed, and XINE is still choppy
[04:34] <Xgates> I  mean hell thats crap
[04:34] <Xgates> errrr
[04:34] <davegahan> gedit does not see some of the gnome menu items ?
[04:34] <someone_1> hmm.. xgates, weird, xine should run just fine.. amd 1.1 is plenty..
[04:34] <shawnh> hmmmm
[04:35] <carlos-d-man> como conectas un tel sip a asterisk?
[04:35] <shawnh> out of my leuge
[04:35] <everyone_> Xgates: I've run xine on a PII 300 with 64mb of ram.
[04:35] <Coily> liable, actually partimage might be a roundabout way of doing what im trying to do. wont i have to save the partition to my hdd first? and even then, how will i use the files to install it to a new partition? wouldnt it be easier to copy the partition straight to a new one, or must an image be created first
[04:35] <shawnh> everyone
[04:35] <someone_1> out of my league here.. I have only switched to Linux complete 2 weeks ago.
[04:35] <Xgates> someone_1: yes no kidding and it's not, and I have run it many years just fine in Slack
[04:35] <shawnh> I switsed yesterday
[04:35] <shawnh>  the comp came in on the bus from my cousin
[04:35] <Xgates> I'm trying to think what I can do
[04:35] <Xgates> hmm
[04:36] <shawnh> cheeseball
[04:36] <mvirkkil> Xgates: Are you scaling the output?
[04:36] <liable> Coily: yeah, you need somewhere to put the image files
[04:36] <Anubis> Xgates, is dma turned on all drives?
[04:36] <shawnh> welcome
[04:36] <Xgates> Anubis: not sure, and cant remember how to check
[04:36] <mvirkkil> Xgates: It's less cpu intesive to switch to a suitable screenmode and play it unscaled.
[04:36] <Xgates> mean with hdparm?
[04:36] <az[a] zel> hey, im trying to help a friend install the nvidia drivers. What packages are needed to be installed? and afterwards what configuration needs to happen?
[04:36] <liable> Coily: you need to sort out ypur spare partition first
[04:36] <Anubis> Xgates, hdparm -tT
[04:36] <gurum999> well, I finally got Palm Tungsten T3 syncing, Canon printer, mounting ntfs paritions automatically, java interpreter, Yahoo mail fetching, Ksensors, et ..working after like 20 hours...
[04:36] <Anubis> Xgates, hdparm -tT /dev/hdx
[04:37] <gurum999> seriously, but I think it's worth it..
[04:37] <liable> s/ypur/your
[04:37] <davegahan> someone who knows how to plumb with gnome menu editor ?
[04:37] <Anubis> gurum999, congrates
[04:37] <mvirkkil> davegahan: What gnome menu editor?
[04:37] <gurum999> so only thing that is not working right now is Ati 9100 3d acceleration..
[04:37] <Coily> liable, well thatll be a pain in the ass but doable i suppose. do you have any idea how i would copy the image to a new partition?
[04:37] <gurum999> anubis, thanks... Ubuntu and its users were most helpful..
[04:37] <mjr> gurum999, hmh, that should work out of the box
[04:38] <Coily> liable, once i have it saved to disk first, that is
[04:38] <davegahan> allows you to edit the gnome application menu
[04:38] <Xgates> Anubis:  Timing cached reads:   436 MB in  2.02 seconds = 216.30 MB/sec
[04:38] <Xgates>  Timing buffered disk reads:   80 MB in  3.02 seconds =  26.52 MB/sec
[04:38] <gurum999> mjr, really? fglrx doesn't load.
[04:38] <thenuke> hey do I have to do upgrade or dist-upgrade when going from warty to hoary
[04:38] <Xgates> mvirkkil: how you do that I dont think I have had to mess with Xine much
[04:39] <thenuke> upgrade would use ~20megs of HD and dist-upgrade would use 400megs of HD or was it 200..
[04:39] <Anubis> Xgates, does it say dma (on)?
[04:39] <gurum999> thenuke, exit xserver, kill gdm, then do "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[04:39] <mjr> gurum999, it should work out of the box _without_ fglrx
[04:39] <Coily> thenuke, just change everything in sources.list from warty to hoary then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:39] <Xgates> Anubis: no I didnt see that just what I pasted you
[04:39] <mjr> gurum999, the free DRI driver supports radeons up to 9250
[04:39] <thenuke> gurum999: hum ok
[04:39] <mjr> gurum999, for 3d, that is
[04:39] <Xgates> Anubis: what Ubuntu has it off by default?
[04:39] <gurum999> mjr, 3d acceleration? is it good enough compared to ATI drivers?
[04:39] <Xgates> hmm
[04:39] <Xgates> that might be the problem then
[04:40] <carlos-d-man> alguien sabe como logear conversaciones de irc con xchat?
[04:40] <gurum999> glxgears only gave me 1700, but I should be getting like 3000...
[04:40] <mjr> gurum999, well, to me it's good enough. It's probably some measure slower than ATI's. I don't know.
[04:40] <membreya> gurum999: don't complain..my amd64 3200 only gets 400fps on glxgears
[04:40] <Anubis> Xgates, not on harddrives but sometimes roms do not have it turned on. use hdparm on your drives with no -tT
[04:40] <liable> Coily: if you have a partiton, just choose no compression, as long as your partition is bigger than the old one, then you should be ok. Look at the docs, I am no expert, I have only used it to save to cd's and it worked well backing up then. Maybe look at dd as I said. Its a bit hard to work out though.
[04:40] <mjr> if you're getting 4-figure amounts, you're running with acceleration
[04:40] <gurum999> mjr, my problem is some screensavers (gl ones) would hard crash xserver.....
[04:40] <gurum999> it's been documented but no solutions on the forum.
[04:41] <da_bon_bon> membreya: with dri on? then somethings seriously wron
[04:41] <mjr> gurum999, ah. Well. Then there must be a bug in the DRI driver for your card
[04:41] <Xgates> Anubis: sorry run it how?
[04:41] <Kishu> does ubuntu support all cluster sizes with FAT32?
[04:41] <Anubis> Xgates, haparm /dev/hdx
[04:41] <gurum999> mjr, ic..
[04:41] <Anubis> Xgates, hdparm /dev/hdx
[04:41] <Coily> liable, dd scares me :x
[04:41] <mjr> Kishu, Linux should, and hence Ubuntu
[04:41] <Anubis> Xgates, hdparm  /dev/hdx
[04:41] <membreya> da_bon_bon: using an nvidia card..disable DRI :)
[04:42] <Xgates> Anubis:  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> membreya: why no dri for nvidia ?
[04:42] <liable> Coily: so it should, it scares me too, but partimage is just a front end for it I believe
[04:42] <membreya> Coily: are you trying to figure out how to dump a partition from one to the other ?
[04:42] <gurum999> ah, running nvidia was so much easier with linux... just install binary from nvidia..
[04:42] <gurum999> not with ATI.
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> membreya: man, i get > 500 on my abysmal onboard i810 with PIII 500mhz 256mb ram
[04:42] <Coily> membreya, correct
[04:42] <Anubis> Xgates, do all of your drives like that
[04:42] <Coily> membreya, and make it bootable
[04:42] <membreya> da_bon_bon: that's what the installs tell me
[04:43] <bretzel> Coily: "dd scares you?" I used dd to clone an unprotected DVD film then burned the ISO and it plays as well  on my dvd player ...
[04:43] <membreya> Coily: oh ok, well I mirror my linux partition daily with rsync
[04:43] <gurum999> da_bon_bon, well, with linux, I don't think video cards don't really matter.. as long as you don't have to run in framebuffer
[04:43] <membreya> bretzel: dd = damn dangerous :P
[04:43] <Xgates> Anubis: I only have one drive, and I ran that
[04:43] <gurum999> da_bon_bon, esp. Intel opensourced i810 drivers, it will probably become better than my 9100
[04:43] <Coily> bretzel, but im talking about an entire partition here
[04:43] <da_bon_bon> gurum999: right., but i am really not into gaming much, so i dont really care either way :)
[04:43] <Xgates>  hdparm  /dev/hdx just tells whats on and off correct?
[04:43] <Anubis> Xgates, surely you have a rom device, which is another drive
[04:43] <membreya> Xgates: no hdparm -d /dev/hdx does
[04:44] <gurum999> da_bon_bon, I just want to watch crazy opengl 3d eye candies on my xmms
[04:44] <Coily> membreya, would you recommend partimage if i dont know what the hell im doing
[04:44] <bretzel> membreya: dd is dangerous when misused... as dangerous as powerfull :-) But for reading ( dupplicating ) it is not armfull
[04:44] <liable> bretzel: but you feel completely comfortable backing up your hdd with it?
[04:44] <da_bon_bon> gurum999: man, try xcomp if u have nice fps - u will love it
[04:44] <membreya> Coily: I've got no experience with it ... only rsync to prevent me screwing up my system..AGAIN
[04:44] <reagleBRKLN> hrmm... updated to ubuntu from a knoppix/sid install, pretty smooth, except my java is funky. I usually install sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+beta1_i386.deb, but freemind and limewire are making various complaints...
[04:44] <plett> bretzel: unless you get your if= and of= the wrong way round :)
[04:44] <sdogi> bretzel: it is not, when you don't mess with devices, like writing to them and stuff
[04:44] <liable> bretzel: dvd is one thing, hdd a little diiferent
[04:44] <Xgates> membreya: does what, sorry what are you saying?
[04:45] <gurum999> da_bon)bon, not in the repository?
[04:45] <sdogi> i usually do something like dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1024 count=10000
[04:45] <Coily> membreya, so rsync can copy my partition to a freespace one, directly?
[04:45] <bretzel> liable: backuping 80GB at once ... no of course!!!! I will be crazy to do it...
[04:45] <membreya> Xgates: hdparm -d /dev/hdx will tell you dma
[04:45] <sdogi> when i want to measure how fast can this testfile travel from one pc to another
[04:45] <membreya> in a short form :P
[04:45] <Coily> membreya, if so, would you point me to a tutorial of how to do this, or maybe how you do it
[04:45] <membreya> Coily: as I said, I do a direct dump of my partition daily
[04:45] <Xgates> /dev/hda:
[04:45] <Xgates>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[04:45] <sdogi> membreya: to where ?:))
[04:45] <Coily> membreya, is the copy bootable?
[04:46] <bretzel> And you have to know that the target partition must be EXACTLY the same geometry as the source partition
[04:46] <Zotnix> o.o
[04:46] <riji> What do i need to remove ads in firefox+
[04:46] <sdogi> Coily: it is exact copy, so yes
[04:46] <Zotnix> Am I still connected?
[04:46] <Xgates> Anubis: I cant say I know about the rom
[04:46] <gurum999> da_bon_bon, do you know the url from xcomp?
[04:46] <Burgundavia> riji, adblock
[04:46] <gurum999> google no help
[04:46] <membreya> sdogi: to my download partition (85gb)
[04:46] <liable> bretzel: or bigger hmm
[04:46] <Xgates> Anubis: I just have one hdd --> /dev/hda
[04:46] <Coily> ok then repeating my previous question:
[04:46] <Coily> would you point me to a tutorial of how to do this, or maybe how you do it
[04:46] <membreya> Coily: it's not bootable because I choose not to boot to it, you would need to install a boot loader to it's MBR but that's a piece of piss
[04:46] <da_bon_bon> gurum999: apt-get install xcompmgr transset fdclock
[04:47] <Coily> membreya, why cant i use grub and change the root fs
[04:47] <riji> where to find it?
[04:47] <gurum999> da_bon_bon, thanks..
[04:47] <da_bon_bon> gurum999: then google a bit for "enabling composite in X" --> u need to modify some xorg.conf
[04:47] <bretzel> In the old time of 20GB hard disk, I wrote a KDE backup utility using dd, zlib. There were no such public tool yet ( back in 1999 )
[04:47] <sdogi> membreya: then you only did a dump of partition, when you do the dump of whole /dev/hdX then it is bootable
[04:47] <Sauron21> Does anyone know why DMA is disabled in ubuntu???(and how I can enable it??:P)
[04:47] <membreya> Coily: my daily cron is sudo rsync -au --exclude "/media" --exclude "sys/" --exclude "proc/" / /media/downloads/Linux so it syncs everything except media, sys and proc ...and it backs it up to /media/downloads/Linux
[04:47] <sdogi> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX for dma
[04:48] <membreya> Sauron21: sudo hdparm d1 /dev/hdx
[04:48] <Burgundavia> Sauron21, it is turned off by default because it can make certain drives unusable
[04:48] <sdogi> Sauron21: check the /etc/hdparm.conf
[04:48] <Xgates> damm I dont get whats sucking this box up
[04:48] <Xgates> but possibly hotplug and something else is mucking it up
[04:48] <Xgates> cause I shouldnt be lagging with Xine this bad
[04:48] <gurum999> da_bon_bon, done..
[04:49] <Burgundavia> Xgates, you enabled dma?
[04:49] <Xgates>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[04:49] <Xgates> its on
[04:49] <membreya> hmmmm da_bon_bon has raised a good point..is there any damage to be done by enabling DRI in my xorg.conf with an nvidia card?
[04:49] <Coily> membreya, but where does it put the copy?
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> gurum999: gret. try it -*- "xcompmgr -fc&  &&  killall gnome-panel"
[04:49] <Sauron21> membreya: did work....got "d1: No such file or directory"
[04:49] <Xgates> Burgundavia: at least I think it is:
[04:49] <Xgates> hdparm -d /dev/hda
[04:49] <Xgates> /dev/hda:
[04:49] <Xgates>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[04:50] <liable> Sauron21: read the man page and google before you play with hdparm, it can kill your hdd
[04:50] <mishof> is there a tutorial teaching how to use samba under ubuntu ?
[04:50] <membreya> coily, to my /media/downloads/Linux directory...but you can always do it to a seperate partition (just mount it first)
[04:50] <resiak> !ubuntu
[04:50] <da_bon_bon> membreya: i assume not. anyway, if theres some problem, u can always disable it - there will neevr be some hardware problem, so no loss
[04:50] <Xgates> you know I HATE udev I think its crap, everyone that ever used it in Slackware had nothing but problems with it
[04:50] <Xgates> can Ubuntu just use static ?
[04:50] <da_bon_bon> Xgates: wrong. i use slackware and i have NO problems.
[04:50] <Coily> membreya, so the only modifier i need is -a?
[04:50] <liable> resiak: heh no dpkg here
[04:51] <Xgates> static devices
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> Xgates: use devfs if u r that keen
[04:51] <gurum999> da_bon_bon: sudo xcompmgr -fc&  && killall gnome-panel
[04:51] <membreya> Coily: -a does an archive of the files, so maintains all sym links and permissions
[04:51] <gurum999> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `&&'
[04:51] <Xgates> devfs is still alot simpler and trouble free over udev
[04:51] <resiak> liable: I thought I was reading #debian, saw someone asking about Ubuntu and my fingers instinctively hit my !ubuntu keybinding...
[04:51] <Coily> membreya, i dont understand why an archive would keep symlinks/permissions
[04:51] <bretzel> I din't like xcompmgr => XDAMAGE is still in SCRAP state!
[04:52] <da_bon_bon> gurum999: sorrry. no need to "sudo" IIRC -- and remove the space between & && -- it shud me xcomp... & && kil...
[04:52] <liable> resiak: you have a #ubuntu keybinding?
[04:52] <membreya> Coily: do a man rsync to understand :)
[04:52] <gurum999> Also does anyone enabled multimedia keyboard in ubuntu yet? never imagined how painful this would be.. with toying with xev, etc.
[04:52] <bretzel> especially when I use vncviewer with xcompmgr! try it!
[04:52] <membreya> brb
[04:52] <resiak> liable: I have a !knoppix and a !kanotix keybinding too ;)
[04:52] <jovian> gurum999, i did in warty
[04:53] <jovian> used the keyboard shortcuts in the prefrences
[04:53] <nekohayo> hi, is anybody else having problems starting gaim? It gives me a symbol lookup error (/usr/lib/libaspell.so.15: undefined symbol: _Znwj)
[04:53] <resiak> liable: Saves my poor fingers.
[04:53] <dcraven> Which one of you guys broke my system bell?
[04:53] <mvirkkil> Xgates: It's somewhere in the preferences...
[04:53] <mvirkkil> Xgates: (not at home right now -> can't check)
[04:54] <bretzel> gurum999: System->preferences->keyboard shortcuts - try assigning your mult.key. normally there are some keys working, for the others dead keys, yes it is pain
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> gurum999: need to run, search on ubuntuforums.org theres a howto there. or goole :) bye
[04:54] <Xgates> mvirkkil: ok
[04:54] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, breezy?
[04:54] <nekohayo> yes
[04:54] <liable> !ubuntusmite resiak
[04:55] <resiak> liable: Wrong channel ;)
[04:55] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, really not recommended
[04:55] <nekohayo> I guess that's normal, I should "expect" stuff to break
[04:55] <nekohayo> ok, well how could I revert :P
[04:55] <liable> wheres dpkg when you need him
[04:55] <mishof> Q: is there a tutorial teaching how to use samba/ sharing files with windows under ubuntu ?
[04:55] <resiak> liable: About 6 irssi windows to my left ;)
[04:55] <liable> heh
[04:55] <nekohayo> I mean there are packages that got updated and all
[04:55] <dr_willis> ubuntuguide.org has some info.
[04:55] <gurum999> jovian, bretzel...wow, it works~!
[04:56] <bretzel> :-)
[04:56] <gurum999> jovian, bretzel, and I was trying to figure out how to use Xev to log keyevents, and change xinitrc,etc.. :(
[04:56] <mishof> dr_willis, it just says to get samba and smbfs - what now ? :\
[04:56] <Xgates> mvirkkil: is it called --> disable all video scaling?
[04:56] <mvirkkil> Xgates: Test the different drivers. I think xv or xshm is the fast one.
[04:57] <Xgates> xv typically has always been good for me
[04:57] <mvirkkil> Xgates: Try changing it if it's choppy
[04:57] <mishof> anyone here knows how to share folders with windows network ?
[04:58] <Xyrouz> mishof: use samba...
[04:58] <mvirkkil> mishof: apt-get install samba && man samba.conf
[04:58] <resiak> mishof: apt-get install samba-doc, read them :)
[04:58] <Xgates> mvirkkil: nope still no good
[04:58] <mvirkkil> Xgates: :/
[04:58] <mishof> ok thanks
[04:58] <Coily> is it possible to boot from an ext3 partition which had all of its files copied from a different ubuntu install?
[04:58] <Xgates> its all these damm things Ubuntu has going on udev, hotplug, etc..
[04:59] <dcahrakos> if I wanted to install the newest gimp, I use the deb package right?
[04:59] <Xgates> Im killing the rest and try another kernel too
[04:59] <mvirkkil> Coily: Write grup to the boot partition and configure it.
[04:59] <Xgates> bbl THANKS guys
[04:59] <Xyrouz> Coily, if you have set up an boot loader, yws
[04:59] <mishof> just- how do i start the samba server ?
[04:59] <bretzel> mishof: You should rather search google for samba-how-to. as samba usage applies normally to all linux, I didn't find yet any ubuntu tools for samba server config
[04:59] <Coily> great, thanks
[04:59] <Xgates> if this doesnt work out for its back to Slack I go
[04:59] <mishof> bretzel, yeah, i just found samba.org :P
[05:00] <Coily> i just wanted to make sure there are no files (besides say fstab and menu.list) which would have to be edited for the correct partition name, etc
[05:00] <srid> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:00] <srid>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4_2.4.1-1_i386.deb
[05:00] <srid> localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 152K
[05:00] <srid> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:00] <srid> (in breezy)
[05:00] <srid> :(
[05:00] <srid> Unpacking replacement python2.4 ...
[05:00] <srid> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4_2.4.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:00] <srid>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.4/ConfigParser.py', which is also in package python2.4-minimal
[05:00] <srid> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:00] <srid> Compiling python modules in /usr/lib/python2.4 ...
[05:00] <srid> Compiling optimized python modules in /usr/lib/python2.4 ...
[05:00] <srid> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:00] <srid>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4_2.4Unpacking replacement python2.4 ...
[05:00] <srid> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4_2.4.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:00] <srid>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.4/ConfigParser.py', which is also in package python2.4-minimal
[05:00] <mvirkkil> srid: -> #flood
[05:00] <srid> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:00] <srid> Compiling python modules in /usr/lib/python2.4 ...
[05:00] <mvirkkil> srid: Stop!
[05:00] <srid> Compiling optimized python modules in /usr/lib/python2.4 ...
[05:01] <srid> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:01] <srid>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4_2.4.1-1_i386.deb
[05:01] <sladen> cens0red: ?
[05:01] <srid> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:01] <mishof> O_O
[05:01] <srid> sri@infinity:~ $ .1-1_i386.deb
[05:01] <mvirkkil> srid: NOT HERE"
[05:01] <srid> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:01] <srid> sri@infinity:~ $
[05:01] <mvirkkil> srid: NOT HERE!
[05:01] <srid> (oops, this is X.org middle-click bug .. pasting twice :(
[05:01] <srid> mvirkkil, sorry
[05:01] <liable> no flood kick in #ubuntu eh?
[05:01] <Coily> repeating because of flood:
[05:01] <Coily> i just wanted to make sure there are no files (besides say fstab and menu.list) which would have to be edited for the correct partition name, etc
[05:01] <bretzel> (Xgates) : I think he is a bit frustrated, his prob applies once with me on warthy, but I had to uninstall most of video playback stuff then restart with XINE only stuff and pregressively install codecs and dvd stuff ... I was a bit unpatient ...
[05:01] <paulfox> bretzel, what was his problem?
[05:02] <srid> no Breezy in http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:02] <mvirkkil> liable: I guess ubuntu's supposed to be sooo friendly. I like the if they aren't useful kick them, mentality ;-) (just kidding)
[05:02] <paulfox> sri, there is
[05:02] <bretzel> paulfox: sorry I didn't followed his probs... he was complaining about crappy playback
[05:02] <gurum999> bbl
[05:03] <dr_willis> the more complex the os gets - the harder it gets to keep things working perfectly.   im amazed that ubuntu has so few problems. :P
[05:03] <liable> dr_willis: bless you
[05:03] <dr_willis> actually im amazed that any computers work.
[05:03] <bretzel> dr_willis: :-)
[05:03] <dr_willis> theres a lot of little parts in those durn things!
[05:03] <paulfox> bretzel, ahh right. if he was using ati binary drivers, that might be the cause. they're useless.
[05:04] <bretzel> paulfox: oh my! I am lucky to have nvidia cards on my home computers
[05:04] <paulfox> bretzel, i'm never EVER buying ati again, or a laptop with ati in. morons
[05:04] <paulfox> :)
[05:04] <falcon3> how do i open gdesklets program to select various desklets ?
[05:05] <dcahrakos> can I use apt-get remove gimp to remove the old version of gimp?
[05:05] <dcraven> srid, I just fixed that exact same problem... I installed the deb manually with the --force-overwrite flag to dpkg.
[05:05] <nekohayo> Burgundavia, could you give me a hint on how I could "revert" to hoary? (besides changing the names in the sources.list again)
[05:05] <srid> dcraven, how?
[05:05] <mvirkkil> paulfox: I like the 7000, 8000, 9000 and 9200 radeons. They are the last and only ones that have oss 3d drivers.
[05:05] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, is hard to roll back changes
[05:05] <membreya> I figured out a way to get higher scores in glxgears..run it off screen :P my score increases to 1200fps! :D
[05:05] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, you can force the installation of the gaim from hoary
[05:05] <srid> dcraven, $ dpkg --force-overwrite python2.4 ?
[05:05] <dcraven> srid, and if you have a large error like that in the future, paste it into www.pastebin.com and post the link to it here please.
[05:05] <liable> mvirkkil: just not used to not being kicked for flooding, nothing at all to do wit ubuntu, not here to be nasty
[05:05] <srid> dcraven, ok
[05:06] <nekohayo> that's what puzzles me: gaim was NOT updated!
[05:06] <bretzel> I shouldn't complain against ATI cards.... It is my country's company!! :-) And yet I don't want to buy it me too
[05:06] <mvirkkil> liable: I wasn't saying that you were here to be nasty. I was saying that I wouldn't mind if someone was ;-)
[05:06] <nekohayo> Burgundavia, I could do that for those ~20 packages (that must now be in "local and obsolete") maybe?
[05:06] <srid> $ sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4_2.4.1-1_i386.deb
[05:06] <mishof> is there an application similiar to smb4k - for gnome ?
[05:06] <paulfox> mvirkkil, never used those chipsets. this laptop is the first time i've had an ati card. the company are just bad news, in my experience.
[05:06] <dcraven> srid, that's it.
[05:07] <liable> mvirkkil: ok, then well, I think that you are .....
[05:07] <liable> :)
[05:07] <srid> dcraven, how many lines max i can paste here?
[05:07] <bretzel> I mean ATI is based in my country ... ( low english skill )
[05:07] <dcraven> srid, see if that works. I actually had to do some other things too.
[05:07] <srid> dcraven, throwing error
[05:07] <dcraven> srid, of what type?
[05:07] <srid> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python2.4:
[05:07] <srid>  python2.4 depends on libbz2-1.0; however:
[05:07] <srid>   Package libbz2-1.0 is not configured yet.
[05:08] <srid> let me dist-upgrade again
[05:08] <mvirkkil> paulfox: The drivers _from_ ati really royally suck. I agree.
[05:08] <dcraven> srid, I had the same thing... Install that package manually again too.
[05:08] <Coily> membreya, can i see your cron daily again?
[05:08] <zAo^> mishof, $ sudo shares-admin ?
[05:09] <StR> Hi there,  i'm trying to compile something,  and I get:   checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes
[05:09] <mvirkkil> srid: Don't paste more than a say 3 lines. If you want to paste more use something like http://www.pastebin.com/
[05:09] <StR> what pkg should I install?
[05:09] <dcraven> srid, that reconfigured it and then allowed the installation of the python package.
[05:09] <membreya> coily: sudo rsync -au --exclude "media/" --exclude "sys/" --exclude "proc/" / /media/downloads/Linux
[05:09] <srid> ok
[05:09] <bretzel> zAo^: Q: I tried  shares-admin and all it does is "freeze" ... nothing else ...\
[05:09] <dr_willis> StR,  theres a great many developer paclkages out for different 'libraries, and otehr features'  you need to track down the X ones. :P
[05:10] <Coily> membreya, if you didnt exclude media, would it be caught in a loop?
[05:10] <zAo^> bretzel, started it in cosole? What did it say?
[05:10] <membreya> not a loop, but it would try and back itself up :|
[05:10] <bretzel> zAo^: nothing - no trace, debug infos -- nothing
[05:10] <Coily> :O
[05:11] <zAo^> hmm
[05:11] <zAo^> sorry dont donno :)
[05:11] <dr_willis> StR,  fire up syntapic and its prberly named somehting like xfree-dev or similer.
[05:12] <dcraven> StR, apt-get install x-dev libx11-dev
[05:12] <Coily> membreya, should i exclude sys and proc as well?
[05:13] <dr_willis> x-dev - X protocol development files    and    xlibs-dev - X Window System client library development files transitional package
[05:13] <dr_willis> are what i find. :P
[05:13] <bretzel> zAo^: "art_render_invkde: no image source given" 3 times
[05:13] <Coily> membreya, assuming i want to make the copied files bootable at somepoint
[05:13] <ilsa> I reinstalled the OS just in case I screwed something up initially but Hoary still won't go past 640x480.  Resolutions and whatnot appear to be detected properly.  The xorg.conf file looks about what it should be.
[05:13] <mjr> incidentally, anyone happen to know if X.org supports directly the use of multiple heads (on a single or separate video cards) and multiple keyboards for many users per box, or does one still need a patched server for that?
[05:13] <bretzel> oops read ..._invoke
[05:13] <membreya> Coily: I exclude sys because it hangs my system..but im not 100% sure of it ...proc I exclude because it's virtual :)
[05:13] <zAo^> bretzel, that's just GUI talk I guess
[05:14] <dr_willis> ive used multi heads on my video card with x.org (nvidia 6800)
[05:14] <dr_willis> no idea about the keyboards. :P
[05:14] <Coily> membreya, so an empty proc folder wouldnt stop ubuntu from booting?
[05:14] <bretzel> me too I guess... It is acutally frozen, all GUI greyed I mean
[05:14] <membreya> no
[05:14] <membreya> not AFAIK anyhoo :P
[05:14] <Coily> :O
[05:14] <Coily> anyone?
[05:14] <Coily> would an empty proc folder wouldnt stop ubuntu from booting?
[05:14] <Coily> er
[05:14] <bretzel> At least if only the "Add" button was enabled ...
[05:14] <dcraven> ilsa, paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in pastebin.com... Probably you need to add your refresh rates for your monitor. That'd be my first guess based on experience.
[05:15] <dr_willis> i thought /proc was a virtual thing anyway.  and would be empty if you looked at the drive with another os/live cd.
[05:15] <dcraven> ilsa, unless you know how to do that, then you don't need to paste it anywhere :)
[05:15] <Coily> ok ill hope for the best
[05:15] <ilsa> Whoop! I think I just noticed something...
[05:15] <Xyrouz> I agree with dr_willis !
[05:16] <bretzel> dr_willis: nvidia 6800 : lucky you are! mine is gfx 5200, the most dangerous and crappy card!
[05:16] <dr_willis> bretzel,  lol. :P
[05:16] <dcraven> I'm lost without my pcspkr beep :(
[05:16] <ilsa> Looking at the conf that was created, I noticed that the bit depth was set to 24, which my machine can't do at 1024x768.  I wonder if that's the problem.  (I hope).
[05:17] <dcraven> ilsa, that's common too. Set it to 16 maybe.
[05:17] <bretzel> dr_willis: but at least, it has 128MB of DDR video ram ... :-)
[05:17] <mishof> Q: I've edited smb.conf, and now i want the new settings to take place - what should i do to restart the samba server?
[05:18] <dcraven> mishof, /etc/init.d/samba restart
[05:18] <Chipparn> hi. how can i get totem to play mpg files..and more important WHY dosnt it play the most common files in the first place?
[05:18] <housetier> mishof sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart
[05:18] <dcraven> Chipparn, apt-get install totem-xine
[05:18] <housetier> also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:18] <bretzel> mishof: sudo /etc/rc2.d/S20samba restart .... I dunno other ways in ubuntu
[05:18] <ilsa> Done.  Now I just have to wait for my installer to finish cause I started installing other apps while I was futzing.
[05:19] <Chipparn> dcraven: ok thanks
[05:19] <bretzel> SXX if not S20
[05:19] <mishof> lol you gave 3 different ways :P anyway the first one seems to work
[05:19] <dcraven> housetier, does that do anything differently than /etc/init.d/samba restart? I've never used what you suggested.
[05:19] <mishof> in mandrake it was easier though ...
[05:19] <dr_willis> i consider -->  /etc/init.d/samba restart   to be fairly easy :P
[05:19] <housetier> dcraven no difference
[05:19] <triandafilos> Question
[05:19] <ilsa> It's strange that the video detection is so completely different between the liveCD and the install cd.
[05:19] <dcraven> housetier, okay. Cool.
[05:20] <bretzel> rc2.d contains the links with prefix S# for start order I guess
[05:20] <ilsa> Answer
[05:20] <Paradiossina> does anybody know why http://www.getsweaaa.com is down?
[05:20] <dr_willis> livecd is based on Knoppix isent it?
[05:20] <dr_willis> or was a branch of knoppix?
[05:20] <triandafilos> im new to linux and need some assistance in setting up antivirus software if its required for ubuntu?
[05:20] <membreya> what...daniels isn't here :| ..how odd
[05:20] <dcraven> Chipparn, did you run that command as root as the error suggests?
[05:20] <dr_willis> bretzel,  correct. the #'s are the order.. and the #'s mean somthing that i forget also..
[05:21] <dr_willis> triandafilos,  not really needed. :P
[05:21] <membreya> aaah..he's just hiding :P
[05:21] <ilsa> I thought liveCD is just that, a live version of ubuntu.
[05:21] <dcraven> Chipparn, sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[05:21] <Xyrouz> triandafolis: it is not required on linux platforms :)
[05:21] <Chipparn> dcraven: nope
[05:21] <dr_willis> ilsa,  thers a lot of different things that have to be done with a live cd. its not identical to the isntall cd in many ways.
[05:21] <dcraven> Chipparn, read the error messages, sometimes (occasionally) they are helpful :)
[05:21] <bretzel> dr_willis: 'S maens "script" ??? hahahah It is a guess
[05:22] <dr_willis> bretzel,  S means start. K means kill :P
[05:22] <ilsa> Huh.  Well, I think the developers then need to move some of the livecd stuff into the main install cd. :)
[05:22] <bretzel> :P
[05:22] <Chipparn> dcraven: it dosnt work.. i have some problem with finding the source
[05:22] <Paradiossina>  does anybody know why http://www.getsweaaa.com is down since yesterday?
[05:22] <bretzel> ilsa: why? there are really good stuff in live CD ?
[05:22] <triandafilos> thanks
[05:22] <dr_willis> bretzel,  and like at S40+ i think network is to be setup.. and at 60+ somtnhing else is supposed to be set up.. ect..
[05:23] <dr_willis> ilsa,   you could always apt-get the programs you like.
[05:23] <triandafilos> is there anything else i need to do on a new install of ubuntu?
[05:23] <membreya> how many nvidia users are experiencing this problem? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7183 and is there anything that can fix/workaround it except removing renderaccel?
[05:23] <dcraven> Chipparn, it's in universe/multiverse.. Have a look here to add those to your sources -->	http://tinyurl.com/3qv6t
[05:23] <Coily> whats the simplest way to create an ext3 partition, no os?
[05:23] <bretzel> dr_willis: that is cool to know ! I just don't want to say how I did once to disable a service.... no I don't :-) :-)
[05:23] <mjr> Coily, boot a livecd of your choosing
[05:24] <Coily> mjr, will the ubuntu install disc (not live) work
[05:24] <Chipparn> dcraven: with sudo apt-get install totem-xine command i get error 13 something about not able to open lock file. i dont have english ubuntu so im translating badly
[05:25] <Myrtti> Chipparn: do you have synaptic running?
[05:25] <dcraven> Chipparn, is it possible that you have synaptic or update-manager open?
[05:25] <dr_willis> bretzel,  just delete the S## file from the rc.X level you dont want it to run in. :P
[05:25] <mjr> Coily, hmm, I think so, if you go to the second virtual console and activate it
[05:25] <triandafilos> can anyone please help me with the following error message...
[05:25] <dr_willis> bretzel,  leave the init.d original alone. the rc.# files are links back to the originals.
[05:25] <dcraven> flood?
[05:25] <mjr> Coily, or use the rescue mode
[05:25] <Chipparn> no.. i dont have synaptic running.
[05:25] <triandafilos> Totem could not play 'file:///home/triandafilos/flushit.avi'.
[05:26] <triandafilos> Failed to open; reason unknown
[05:26] <mjr> (hmm, was there a rescue mode? ;)
[05:26] <Coily> mjr, just boot into the kernel's rescue mode?
[05:26] <stuffs> hi
[05:26] <stuffs> so i think the tunepimp package does not come with mp3 support
[05:27] <stuffs> i have libmad, but tunepimp still will not do mp3s
[05:27] <Chipparn> dcraven: i cant even do apt-get update. something about not able to open lockfile
[05:27] <Chipparn> access denied
[05:27] <dr_willis> Chipparn,  if you have 2 programs running that are both  accessing the apt stuff.. you can get an error like that.
[05:28] <dcraven> Chipparn, sounds to me like it is locked by another app like synaptic. If not, try opening synaptic and see if it works.
[05:28] <dr_willis> ie: running synaptic, then trying to apt-get install from a shell  while synaptic is running.
[05:28] <triandafilos> any ideas?
[05:28] <mutek> BauBau
[05:28] <Chipparn> dr_willis: i see... but the problem is that im not :)
[05:28] <fabbione> 4
[05:28] <fabbione> ops
[05:28] <dcraven> triandafilos, ar you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[05:28] <bretzel> dr_willis: yes I agree :-) thanks for the infos :-)
[05:29] <triandafilos> how do i check?
[05:29] <dr_willis> triandafilos,  the ubuntuguide.org has some info on the mp3 files.
[05:29] <ilsa> No, the live cd just *worked*.
[05:29] <Chipparn> i get W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:29] <dcraven> triandafilos, if you didn't explicitly install it, then you are using totem-gstreamer. Installing totem-xine typically works better.
[05:30] <ilsa> That's why they should move the stuff in the live CD into the install CD.  So the install CD just *works*. ;)
[05:30] <stuffs> anyone there who is incharge of maintaining packages?
[05:30] <ilsa> And I *could* apt-get, but I hadn't at the time, therefor I had to wait. ;)
[05:31] <dcraven> Chipparn, it's because you have an "untrusted" source in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Comment that out and you won't get that error.
[05:31] <bestadvocate> hehehe kubuntu passed up debian on the one month distrowatch charts
[05:31] <dantheman> does anyone have an example of an xorg.conf from a setup with a single nvidia card that has two monitors hooked to it?
[05:32] <ilsa> Shiznit!  X is still stuck in 640x480.
[05:32] <dcraven> bestadvocate, yeah, assuming there was no cheating, K/Ubuntu is doing quite well on the charts it seems.
[05:32] <dantheman> i've installed all the nvidia stuff, but i can't make my xorg.conf enable the second monitor
[05:32] <Druzki> ilsa I had a similar problem ... ubuntu probably does not recognize your monitor
[05:32] <dcraven> ilsa, do you have your monitor refresh rates included in that config file?
[05:33] <ilsa> It's the LCD of my laptop.
[05:33] <dantheman> do you know how i could make it recognize my second monitor?
[05:33] <dr_willis> my totem dont like mp3's either. :P but it seems to be a permission issue or somthng with the audio devices.
[05:33] <zenrox> dantheman,  ask in #nvidia
[05:33] <dantheman> alright
[05:33] <Druzki> ilsa you have to put in 2 numbers in the X graphics config file
[05:33] <Druzki> that match the capabilities of your monitor
[05:33] <stuffs> zenrox, you gotta get libmad
[05:33] <omeg> Hey guys. I was wondering if you could help me with my freshly installed Ubuntu for x86 which I can't use because the X driver can't seem to load.
[05:34] <ilsa> It's detected as a "generic monitor".  Single resolution: 1024x768.
[05:34] <dr_willis> dantheman,  thers 2 ways to do it. YOu can use the xcinerima features or you can use the nvidia 'method' ive only used xcinerama myself.
[05:34] <ilsa> I'm not seeing anything related to the refresh rates.
[05:34] <dcraven> ilsa, like Druzki said, look for the lines including the words "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" in the xorg.conf file.
[05:34] <dantheman> how do you use xcinerama?
[05:34] <dcell> Anyone have any ideas why swap is not working?  I looked in /etc/fstab and there is a swap partition, CONFIG_SWAP = Y (.config).  However, swapon -a says that the swap partition is an invalid argument.
[05:35] <omeg> Someone told me to edit xorg.conf but when I tried it, apparently the file did not exist.
[05:35] <Druzki> ilsa ... do you know what that config file was named ... tell me so i can look at mine and tell you :)
[05:35] <dr_willis> xcinerams lets you have one huge desktop. :P
[05:35] <Chipparn> when i try to run apt-get update i get could not open lockfile /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 access denied)
[05:35] <sig> sudo
[05:35] <dr_willis> or at least thats how I used it.
[05:35] <dcraven> ilsa, if they are not present, lookup your monitor specs online or in your manual and we'll put those lines in there. That's likely your problem.
[05:35] <sig> Chipparn: sudo
[05:35] <stuffs> dr_wukkus, you gotta get libmad
[05:35] <dantheman> alright, i'll take a look
[05:35] <ilsa> There are no entries at all for the refresh rates.
[05:35] <ilsa> I'm running the dpkg-reconfigure now.
[05:35] <Chipparn> ah
[05:36] <ilsa> Do I want to use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[05:36] <omeg> Anyway, my X won't load and I _suspect_ that it's because I set the driver to "ati" rather than "vesa". Even though I have an ATi Mobility Radeon 9800... so does anybody know how I manually change this? I don't want to have to fresh install over this. :p
[05:36] <sig> are breezy repositories unstable or stable ?
[05:37] <whiteknight> sig, unstable!
[05:37] <thenuke> :)
[05:37] <dcraven> omeg, open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf. It is probably in there.
[05:37] <Grim76_Work> Has anyone gotten the openoffice.org2 files to install on their ubuntu install?
[05:37] <omeg> dcraven: someone told me to do that. I used "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" but it was a blank edit screen--and at the bottom of the screen it said "[ new file ] ".
[05:38] <triandafilos_> ver
[05:38] <triandafilos_> Movie Player using GStreamer version 0.8.7
[05:38] <dcraven> omeg, did you upgrade from Warty? Or was it a fresh install?
[05:38] <omeg> Fresh install. I formated to Ext3.
[05:38] <omeg> This is actually my first time ever using Linux. :p
[05:39] <omeg> I've generally been using Microsoft products. Starting with MS-DOS 1.00 back in... I believe 1986.
[05:39] <ilsa> Stupid mushroom licking...
[05:39] <dcraven> omeg, oh my... I'm sure it's there then. Look at the files listed when you do this "ls /etc/X11". There has to be a xorg.conf file.
[05:39] <liable> ilsa: blue ones?
[05:39] <ilsa> all of them!
[05:39] <omeg> I want to eventually switch to Mac OS X, but I want Linux to replace my non-business system.
[05:39] <dcraven> omeg, you're in for alot of fun if you're up for it :)
[05:39] <omeg> dcraven: I'll try that. Thanks.
[05:40] <maxence> hi
[05:40] <omeg> Yeah, I'm sure. I tried the Live CD before, and Linux looks good. =)
[05:40] <dr_willis> looks! bah! :P
[05:40] <dcraven> omeg, it has it's merits ;)
[05:40] <triandafilos_> why doesn't ubuntu need antivirus software?
[05:40] <dr_willis> triandafilos,  in general LINUX dosent need it
[05:40] <bretzel> Q: Which is the BEST IRC client progam ? I am using xchat but I like those silly emoticons :-)
[05:41] <omeg> Well, I haven't been able to thoroughly investigate yet. =p
[05:41] <maxence> xchat
[05:41] <riji> hi! where do i get the codecs for totem?
[05:41] <dr_willis> it boils down to  the core of how the os is designed.
[05:41] <dcraven> triandafilos, nobody writes viruses (often) for Linux.
[05:41] <bretzel> xchat lacks this
[05:41] <triandafilos_> sorry if i sound like an ideet!!
[05:41] <dcraven> triandafilos, in time you'll need to run one though.
[05:41] <ilsa> I'm going to try xorgconfig and choose the vesa driver.
[05:41] <dr_willis> bretzel,  emoticons?  ive never seen those in irc.. just lame Yahoo messenger and stuff
[05:41] <liable> dr_willis: and hopefully the user
[05:41] <ilsa> It's not like the video on this thing is powerful enough to do anything fancy.
[05:41] <omeg> I only have one PC so I'll just write all this down on a sticky..
[05:41] <stuffs> riji, i think you need libmad
[05:41] <riji> codec plugins for. mpg/avi/wav
[05:41] <stuffs> riji, oh nevermind
[05:42] <Druzki> ilsa in the file XF86Config-4 there are two lines called HirzSynch and VertRefresh
[05:42] <riji> damn :(
[05:42] <dcraven> dr_willis, it really has less to do with design, and more to do with popularity.
[05:42] <bretzel> dr_willis: hehehehe sorry forget it :-)
[05:42] <Druzki> you have to put the correct values for your monitor there
[05:42] <stuffs> riji, yea, do you have libmad installed?
[05:42] <riji> nope
[05:42] <Druzki> you have to find the correct values on the net or from your laptops manual (if still present)
[05:43] <ilsa> Ugh...
[05:43] <dcraven> Or guess.
[05:43] <omeg> Oh yeah
[05:43] <stuffs> riji, install that shiza
[05:43] <Druzki> that fixed it for me
[05:43] <omeg> One quick question: for now, is it possible to set Win XP as the default boot option in GRUB?
[05:43] <Xyrouz> omeg: yes
[05:43] <dr_willis> omeg,  yes of course its possible. :P
[05:43] <liable> omeg: why?????
[05:43] <ilsa> If I have to go so far as to research the physical characteristics of my laptop screen, I'm just gonna toss ubuntu.
[05:43] <dr_willis> with linux all things are posible. :P
[05:43] <omeg> Because it's got one line that says "setdefault" but it doesn't seem to work.
[05:43] <bretzel> okay, I am leaving - I have to do some coding ciao all :-)
[05:43] <omeg> liable: I am the enemy =)
[05:44] <dr_willis> omeg,  grub starts counting at 0, :P you may have that # off by 1.
[05:44] <liable> omeg: die
[05:44] <ilsa> If choosing "1024x768@60hz" isn't enough to get things going, then we have a BIG problem.
[05:44] <Druzki> ilsa ... well you do coz ubuntu does not recognize your screen ... i know it is a pain ... it did not recognize mine either
[05:44] <riji> don't have: "MS WMV 8 (win32)"
[05:44] <omeg> Oh, so I have to say "setdefault 1"?
[05:44] <dcraven> omeg, it's "default" not "setdefault".
[05:44] <resiak> omeg: You may need to set "default saved" in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:44] <liable> ilsa: whats your prob
[05:44] <dr_willis> omeg,  if you want the 2nd entry to be the drfault. :P
[05:44] <resiak> omeg: (if you want to use savedefault)
[05:44] <dcraven> omeg, and it's already set to 0.
[05:44] <omeg> Aha, okay.
[05:44] <Druzki> but i found the values for my monitor rather easily
[05:45] <membreya> Druzki: thankfully I have an amd64.. I can remove those screen infos :P my system automatically picks it up :D
[05:45] <Druzki> so it may not be as hard as you think
[05:45] <ilsa> Ok, I managed to make linux cough up a lung.  I gotta reboot.
[05:45] <vessuvius81> has anyone setup an ubuntu hoary machine as VPN client using MPPE?
[05:45] <liable> ilsa: no you dont
[05:45] <omeg> Anyway, just gonna try it right now. See you in a second~
[05:45] <Casco_Osc> hi
[05:45] <Druzki> membreya i have AMD too but it still did not recognize my Sony flatscreen
[05:45] <stuffs> riji, are you using xine engine?
[05:45] <Casco_Osc> anyone has problems with cups-server in hoary?
[05:45] <riji> nope
[05:45] <membreya> Druzki: amd64? :)
[05:46] <Druzki> membreya yes
[05:46] <dcraven> Casco_Osc, no.
[05:46] <triandafilos_> why do you say in time?
[05:46] <membreya> hmm then you should just delete it ..according to daniels it autodetects perfectly
[05:46] <riji> or.. i don't know.. gute new at this
[05:46] <Casco_Osc> hmmm
[05:46] <ilsa> liable:  I hit alt-ctrl-F1 thru F8 and the computer didn't respond.  Instead of my X window, the screen showed random ASCII characters.  I classified that as 'coughing up a lung'. ;)
[05:46] <vessuvius81> I'm wary to use kernel-patch-mppe if its not listed in apt
[05:47] <Casco_Osc> dcravem what printer has you? I have a hpdeskjet 843c and doens't work. In warty it does
[05:47] <riji> I use the gstreamer
[05:47] <Druzki> membreya i should delte XF86 config-4?
[05:47] <dcraven> Casco_Osc, Epson CX5400.
[05:47] <membreya> no no Druzki just the horiz and vert info
[05:47] <liable> ilsa: new install is it or whats going on
[05:47] <ilsa> What's frustrating me the most is that the Live CD worked fine.  I still had to play with the bit depth, but I didn't have to go through the crap I'm going through now to get the video working ok.
[05:47] <stuffs> riji, alright what you wanna do is install totem-xine
[05:48] <Druzki> membreya ... ahh ...
[05:48] <Casco_Osc> lpr:error - scheduler not respondig
[05:48] <Casco_Osc> and i can't configure the printer.... i ran cupsenable, but nothing
[05:48] <sig> I haven't had one update for Hoary since it's been out, has anyone else?
[05:48] <liable> ilsa: you mean getting a graphical system
[05:48] <membreya> sig: nope
[05:48] <dcraven> Casco_Osc, is cupd running?
[05:48] <ilsa> Yes.
[05:48] <riji> and then?
[05:48] <membreya> sig: you could always switch to breezy :P
[05:48] <BSDNoob> Hi, does anyone has expirience with cryptsetup i followed the guide in the wiki but i got command failed "wrong argument" after entering cryptsetup -y create crypt /dev/hdb1
[05:49] <Casco_Osc> dcraven, cupd or cups?
[05:49] <sig> membreya: ummm, npe
[05:49] <sig> nope
[05:49] <liable> ilsa: so you are stuck at the console?
[05:49] <Druzki> doe anyone know if I can get the new version of Ubuntu can be gotten trough the package manager?
[05:49] <sig> I stay stable for several reasons
[05:49] <dcraven> Casco_Osc, cupsd is the server.
[05:49] <stuffs> riji, did you install totem-xine?
[05:49] <riji> yeah
[05:49] <CheeseBall> does anyone know how i go about backup up my setup so that can basically have a restore disk
[05:49] <stuffs> riji, did you try it?
[05:49] <Myrtti> membreya: what was the name of the next development branch again? (or "testing")
[05:49] <ilsa> Ok, I'm trying to boot up and it now tells me 'I cannot start the X server blah blah, would you like to view the log?', and I can't do anything at all.
[05:49] <dcraven> Casco_Osc, run "ps aux | grep cups" and you should see  /usr/bin/cupsd if it is running.
[05:49] <ogra> Myrtti, breezy
[05:50] <riji> yeah, it needs codecs for "MS WMV 8 (win32)"
[05:50] <membreya> Myrtti: breezy
[05:50] <dcraven> Casco_Osc, /usr/sbin/cupsd actually.
[05:50] <Myrtti> ogra: I thought that was the name of the "unstable"
[05:50] <membreya> grumpy is the permanent devel branch aFAIK
[05:50] <ilsa> The system is completely unresponsive, not even the capslock works.
[05:50] <ogra> Myrtti, but i wouldnt suggest anyone trying to use it before upstream freeze
[05:50] <ogra> membreya, nope
[05:51] <BSDNoob> Hi, does anyone has expirience with cryptsetup i followed the guide in the wiki but i got command failed "wrong argument" after entering cryptsetup -y create crypt /dev/hdb1
[05:51] <ilsa> Yet somehow when I push the power button it's able to go through the shutdown sequence.  That's bizarre.
[05:51] <ogra> Myrtti, ubuntu has no "testing/unstable" distinction
[05:51] <stuffs> riji, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[05:51] <ogra> Myrtti, we have a stable (2 now) and a development version
[05:52] <liable> ilsa: add 'single' to the end of your kernel opton when you boot, you hit 'e' when the grub menu comes up
[05:52] <stuffs> riji, im outta here
[05:52] <Casco_Osc> dcraven, he line contains cups, but no /etc/cups. However, it should be fine :)
[05:53] <riji> thx m8
[05:53] <dcraven> Casco_Osc, cool.
[05:53] <FreezerX> Are there any women in here? :-)
[05:53] <Keizer> Howdy guys
[05:53] <TPC> hello. after prelinking my system dri isn't working anymore. during prelink I got lots of warnings about files that couldn't be prelinked because some library that had to do with opengl (I think) couldn't be prelinked.
[05:53] <Keizer> Hah
[05:53] <Keizer> Women don't use Linux
[05:53] <FreezerX> :-)
[05:53] <Keizer> ./stereotype
[05:53] <Keizer> I thought ipconfig was a Linux command
[05:53] <liable> FreezerX: and if there were,??
[05:53] <jel_> Keizer: linuxchics.org?
[05:53] <TPC> could I make prelink ignore the xorg modules?
[05:54] <^Yota83^> lol
[05:54] <membreya> Keizer: ipconfig is windows :P
[05:54] <jel_> chicks, even.  I knew I was spelling that wrong :)
[05:54] <membreya> ifconfig is linux
[05:54] <ilsa> FreezerX:  Please don't tell me you came into a linux support channel to pick up women.
[05:54] <jel_> is it possible to install hoary with XFS?
[05:54] <jel_> lol
[05:54] <FreezerX> :-)
[05:54] <dr_willis> A/S/L :P
[05:54] <liable> membreya: ifconfig maybe
[05:54] <omeg> No go, unfortunately.
[05:54] <membreya> that's what I typed liable :P
[05:54] <Keizer> membreya, Thank you sir
[05:55] <Keizer> http://www.korg.com/gear/product_info.asp?a_prod_no=OASYS -- OMG
[05:55] <liable> membreya: what are you doing
[05:55] <omeg> There isn't an xorg.conf in /etc/X11. There was an X86Config-4 in that directory, though, and I managed to find the video card data in there. I had just edited it, but it wouldn't let me save it! =P
[05:55] <Keizer> That new keyboard runs Linux!
[05:55] <dcraven> omeg, be root. Use sudo.
[05:55] <dr_willis> Keizer,  i thinki saw that on slashdot months ago.
[05:55] <dr_willis> :P
[05:56] <CheeseBall> how do i back up my whole system
[05:56] <CheeseBall> any rec. programs?
[05:56] <[nrx] > CheeseBall, tar?
[05:56] <CheeseBall> i tryed that and got an error
[05:56] <Keizer> dr_willis, I haven't been to Slashdot in age
[05:56] <Keizer> I dare not go there
[05:56] <omeg> [17:55]  <dcraven> omeg, be root. Use sudo. <-- Using "sudo /etc/X11/X86Config-4" will allow me to edit it without restrictions?
[05:56] <CheeseBall> i want to ess. make a restore disk
[05:56] <Keizer> It will steal my entire day
[05:56] <omeg> Or is sudo something else?
[05:56] <ncp> CheeseBall: you can make a bash file that does the whole thing
[05:56] <membreya> Keizer: korg can run my world anyday :D
[05:56] <nanomad> is it safe to go to breeze? or there are IMPORTANT broken pkgs?
[05:56] <dr_willis> CheeseBall,  ive used 'mondo/mindi' in the past to make complete cd-image restore sets.
[05:56] <Keizer> eSound stole my ALSA
[05:56] <jel_> Keizer: Korg are using Linux?  Very cool.  I thought you were talking about a souped up typewriter for a sec...
[05:56] <vessuvius81> anyone use kernel-patch-mppe for vpn?
[05:56] <ilsa> liable:  Ok, I've done as you said, and I've got a prompt now.
[05:57] <Keizer> Hah
[05:57] <Keizer> I want to get that keyboard
[05:57] <ilsa> Where does xorg put it's xserver log?
[05:57] <omeg> I like the prompt. Reminds me of the old MS-DOS days...
[05:57] <dcraven> omeg, it will if you open it in an editor. Like "sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4".
[05:57] <omeg> Aha.
[05:57] <membreya> ilsa: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:57] <jel_> question is though: can you hook it up to a network or serial port and update the kernel etc.?
[05:57] <omeg> I'll go try that now.
[05:58] <ilsa> WOW!  That's an impressive amount of gobble-de-gook!
[05:58] <dcraven> promethe, it's pretty neat.
[05:58] <jel_> is it possible to use sudo but have it prompt for a root password, or does that make no sense at all?
[05:58] <membreya> is that the technical term ilsa ?:P
[05:58] <[nrx] > jel_ makes no sense ;p
[05:58] <membreya> jel_: by default sudo will ask for your password
[05:58] <membreya> you can get around that though
[05:58] <dcraven> jel_, if you want a root shell, try "sudo -s".
[05:58] <ilsa> Of course! :)
[05:59] <[nrx] > dcraven, or sudo /bin/bash
[05:59] <promethe> dcraven I like it, it looks insane, and I've got nvidia 6800GT so I think it will work pretty well :] 
[05:59] <dcraven> [nrx] , there are many ways.
[05:59] <jel_> dcraven: no, I like the idea of sudo, but I also like the idea of a second security layer, you know?
[05:59] <dcraven> promethe, more than likely.
[05:59] <jel_> membreya: ahh, ok, thanks.
[05:59] <ilsa> No core pointer.  Huh.
[06:00] <ilsa> I hope to god that means it couldn't find the mouse dev, and not that someone screwed up their C code.
[06:00] <dcraven> ilsa, I sure am glad you backed that file up prior to editing it the first time.
[06:00] <jel_> ilsa: yes, no main mouse.
[06:00] <promethe> I love ubuntu, it's first linux distro which I like :] 
[06:00] <PacoBCN> promethe, you're not the only one
[06:00] <promethe> :] 
[06:01] <ilsa> What's the /dev file for the mouse?
[06:01] <[nrx] > try /dev/mouse
[06:01] <jel_> Debian's been serving me nicely for years, but Ubuntu might be that little bit better :)
[06:01] <nanomad> /dev/psaux
[06:01] <agenteo> hi, I've looked at the Ubuntu life cd... I was wondering how it uses the ramdisk... and if it does cause I've checked in mount but I've not find it
[06:01] <nanomad> or /dev/imput/mice
[06:01] <jel_> ilsa: /dev/input/mice for usb
[06:01] <[nrx] > er input, yeah
[06:01] <[nrx] > lol
[06:01] <FreezerX> /dev/mice? for usb.mouse?
[06:02] <promethe> I like it becouse it isn't so idiot-friendly as Fedora, it havent thousands of wizards like Mandrake and it's more userfriendly than Gentoo
[06:02] <ilsa> I've got a USB mouse and the touchpad.  Will they both work through the /dev/input/mice?
[06:02] <dcraven> cens0red, because they are both sorta aimed at new users.
[06:02] <promethe> Few wizards for most important things as printers, fonts, etc
[06:02] <jel_> ilsa: yep
[06:02] <nanomad> dunno the touchpad
[06:02] <promethe> As it should be
[06:02] <cens0red> dcraven that would explain any similarities, but not the differences.
[06:03] <dcraven> cens0red, I hear ya, but that is how reviewers see it.
[06:03] <[nrx] > touchpad usually comes under /dev/psaux
[06:03] <promethe> Is there any Pole, if yes, please msg me priv :] 
[06:03] <jel_> ilsa: actually, yes, it depends on the mouse driver.  Works on PPC iBooks, since I think they use a USB driver for the touchpad
[06:03] <ilsa> Crap.  I can't remember... Do I have to change the runlevel to 3 for X to start up?
[06:04] <jel_> Does ubuntu use runlevels?  Debian doesn't.
[06:04] <PacoBCN> I just wish there was a package for getting rid of the damn flu!!!
[06:04] <dcraven> ilsa, I typically use "/etc/init.d/gdm start".
[06:04] <promethe> Oh, one question. I'm going to buy used 14 inch ibook with 1,33 GHz G4. Will Ubuntu work smothly with this?
[06:04] <jel_> PacoBCN: Doom :)
[06:04] <cens0red> anyone else had any experience with mandrake? I'm looking for an ubuntu equivelant to $urpmf
[06:04] <PacoBCN> jel_, hehe
[06:04] <ilsa> dcraven: That's easier. :)
[06:04] <nanomad> apt-cache search??
[06:04] <dcraven> cens0red, years ago.
[06:04] <ilsa> Holy crap it's up!  At the right resolution even!
[06:04] <dcraven> ilsa, congrats!
[06:04] <ilsa> Of course, it's using the VESA driver so it probably runs like crap...
[06:05] <jel_> good job, ilsa :)
[06:05] <dazed|sleeps> mornin all
[06:05] <dcraven> cens0red, what does urpmf do?
[06:05] <ilsa> Let's find out...
[06:05] <jel_> my new ubuntu machine just finished installing too :)
[06:05] <MajestiK> theine_: breezy fixed that problem I had yesterday..
[06:05] <cens0red> nanomad that finds packages nicely. But it doesn't search for individuals files in packages. The nearest equivelant is debian's $apt-file, but that doesn't seem to be implemented in ubuntu.
[06:05] <dcraven> dazed, did you get the lockups fixed dude?
[06:05] <PacoBCN> I've found out after I use Evolution and close the gui there is about 100Mb in ram still used by Evol. Server
[06:05] <promethe> MajestiK,  breezy is already in development?
[06:05] <ilsa> Ok, now where'd the pretty bell sounds go?
[06:05] <PacoBCN> wtf...
[06:05] <neofeed> okay - what am I going to do? Gnome just told me: ES.UTF8 or something like that does not exist.
[06:06] <dazed> dcraven: im actually have an up time of 15 hours fingers sitll crossed :)
[06:06] <dcraven> dazed, coolio.
[06:06] <neofeed> And therfore it's not going to give me Gnome in Espanl
[06:06] <ilsa> Maybe I should just reboot.  I think most of the daemons didn't run cause I started in single mode.
[06:06] <dazed> yeah
[06:06] <cens0red> dcraven, suppose you're looking for an uninstalled file called "foo.h". $urpmf foo.h will tell you what package you need to install to get that file.
[06:06] <MajestiK> promethe: sorta.. there's some updated stuff in breezy now
[06:06] <promethe> MajestiK Any avalible respository now?
[06:06] <jel_> dazed: what kind of lockups?  My new kubuntu install just locked up too.  But the AGP on this mobo has some issues.
[06:06] <dcraven> cens0red, ahh.. That's actually a good question.
[06:06] <cusco> hi
[06:06] <MajestiK> promethe: however, I just updated my kernel, and now my machine won't boot.. so.. it might not be a good idea yet
[06:07] <jel_> cens0red: apt-file
[06:07] <cens0red> dcraven according the apt howto, apt-file search is the tool for that. But it's not implemented in ubuntu alas.
[06:07] <MajestiK> promethe: I think so.. I just did a s/hoary/breezy/g in my sources.list that came with the standard install
[06:07] <cusco> do I have a smpt server listening n port 25 by default?
[06:07] <dazed> jel_: i think it was agp its a kinda old mother board disabled a bunch o stuff and so far so good...lock ups that would lock out an ssh client aswell complete freeeze
[06:07] <dcraven> cens0red, apt-get install apt-file ;P
[06:07] <jel_> dazed: did you do something to fix it?
[06:08] <cens0red> dcraven oh ok. That I'll do. :)
[06:08] <dazed> jel_: i did a couple things
[06:08] <dazed> jel_: first booted with noapic...then i did soomething suggested by someone on my forum post
[06:08] <whiteknight> dazed, hey so noapic worked?
[06:08] <mr_clark> Hey guys. I just installed Kubuntu on an IBM A50 Thinkcentre PC. The PC runs fine for a while and then starts freezing up. When this happens I get to a console and the time starts randomly changing back and forth a few seconds at a time. I've searched everywhere and it seems that a lot of people are having this issue with the Thinkcentres.
[06:08] <mr_clark> Any ideas on how to fix this?
[06:08] <dcraven> dazed, did the forum folks answer your question in sufficient time? heh
[06:09] <Paradiossina> hello everybody. does anybody know if x-window-system-dev is needed to install mplayer?
[06:09] <dazed> whiteknight: not sure if it was noapic or if it was "( 01:56 - IRS 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization.  We're having our
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:56 - yearly fundraiser; if you find the network useful, please
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:56 - make a donation!  See http://freenode.net/fundraiser.shtml
[06:09] <cens0red> dcraven solved. better than a bought one.
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:56 - for more information.  Thanks.
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:56 -
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:56 End of /MOTD command.
[06:09] <ilsa> Yay!  Thanks all, I think this bloody thing is finally running. :)
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:56 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- This nickname is owned by someone else
[06:09] <jhdoan> does anyone know if i could use KDE on Unbuntos ?
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:56 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[06:09] <dcraven> cens0red, cool ;)
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:57 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#fluxbox]  check the topic
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:57 Mode change [+i]  for user dazed
[06:09] <Fazer> dazed: WTF?
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:57 Irssi: Unknown command: NETWORK
[06:09] <dazed> ( 01:57 Irssi: Ircnet Freenode saved
[06:09] <dazed> [(status)] 
[06:09] <ilsa> First thing's first... Enabled the BSOD screensaver. :)
[06:09] <dazed> i apologize
[06:09] <dazed> wrong paste
[06:10] <dazed> woah
[06:10] <triandafilos__> why is it when i minimise a windows i cant get it back up.. also tried alt tab to no avail.
[06:10] <aimaz> I just installed ubuntu and wish to share my cache of .debs with friends who will install ubuntu as using the local network will be much faster for them, what is the best way to do this?
[06:10] <dazed> sorry all
[06:10] <jel_> what's recovery mode?
[06:10] <dazed> but it was either noapic or "sudo update-rc.d -f apmd remove" i did both on same boot
[06:10] <dcraven> dazed, damn middle click. hehe
[06:10] <Fazer> can anyone tell me why there's no USB enabled on my thinkpad when I boot into LIve CD?
[06:10] <dcraven> triandafilos, is this in GNOME?
[06:11] <triandafilos__> from the foot print main menu..
[06:11] <dazed> damn i got class in like an hour in a half
[06:11] <dazed> not looking forward to it
[06:11] <whiteknight> dazed, maybe both, who knows! thats the great thing about linux, you never know who you fixed something
[06:11] <omeg> Wooh.
[06:11] <omeg> I'm on Linux right now.
[06:11] <whiteknight> dazed, *how
[06:11] <promethe> Has anybody installed newest Luminocity on Ubuntu? If yes, msg priv me please :] 
[06:11] <omeg> There's just one thing, though...
[06:12] <omeg> Doesn't Gnome support 1920x1200?
[06:12] <dcraven> Fazer, hmm.. That's weird. Is the usbcore module loaded? I know nothing of the LiveCD to be honest.
[06:12] <promethe> omeg Ubuntu support all resolutions
[06:12] <dazed> whiteknight: very true my man very true
[06:12] <omeg> I've not been able to choose 1920x1200 during start-up.
[06:12] <jel_> omeg: that has to do with X, not GNOME, but yes.
[06:12] <promethe> omeg it depends only from your graphic card and monit
[06:12] <dazed> im just waiting for it to go though
[06:12] <promethe> omeg edit your xorg.conf
[06:12] <ilsa> Hmmm... Is it even worth trying to use any of the GL extensions with the Vesa server?
[06:12] <omeg> Well, I've always used 1920x1200 on XP.
[06:12] <omeg> Okay.
[06:12] <omeg> I'll try that.
[06:12] <promethe> omeg need help?
[06:13] <omeg> If you could point me to the text editor, that'd be great. =)
[06:13] <jel_> omeg: nano
[06:13] <whiteknight> dazed, remember when things work on linux they will continue to work, so you could be in for a long wait :)
[06:13] <omeg> Aha.
[06:13] <omeg> Gedit
[06:13] <dazed> does everyones samba network work fine for them on hoary?
[06:13] <promethe> omeg just do in terminal "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[06:13] <Fazer> dcraven: Hmm, i don't know how to disable the legacy support for USB
[06:13] <Fazer> or whatever the fuck that means
[06:13] <jel_> dazed: in that it stays the hell off my network?  Yep :)
[06:13] <dazed> whiteknight: i hope :)
[06:13] <dcraven> promethe, have a look at this thread to help you get luminocity to work --> http://tinyurl.com/6bwdy
[06:13] <omeg> Alright, I'll try the terminal.
[06:14] <ilsa> My Samba seems to be working fine OOTB.
[06:14] <dazed> jel_: lol...well considering my nfs never worked on either hoary or warty im using samba
[06:14] <Spug> how can i find out what partition is my swap? sudo fdisk -l doesn't come up with any partitions labeled "swap"
[06:14] <Fazer> can anyone help me why my USB mouse nor my USB mp3 player won't work ( its a removable hard drive
[06:14] <graabein> hi. i'm still having problems with my nvidia geforce6600gt... glxinfo gives me segmentation fault???
[06:15] <liable> Spug: what does it come up with
[06:15] <Spug>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:15] <Spug> /dev/hda1   *           1        7169     3613144+  83  Linux
[06:15] <Spug> /dev/hda2            7170       77117    35253792   83  Linux
[06:15] <Spug> /dev/hda3           77118       77622      254520   83  Linux
[06:15] <graabein> where do i find out why glx info gives me segmentation fault (and nothing else)
[06:16] <graabein> glxinfo
[06:16] <Spug> i guess hda3 is? but it doesn't say.
[06:16] <spades> Spug: : df -h
[06:16] <spades> i think /dev/shm is swap
[06:16] <liable> Spug: you dont have a swap partition then
[06:16] <Spug> i am supposed to
[06:16] <liable> Spug: swap is 82
[06:16] <Spug> hmm
[06:16] <dcraven> Spug, "sudo fdisk /dev/hda", then choose "p" to print the partition table and "q" to quit. Don't do anything silly while in there.
[06:17] <Fazer> hello?
[06:17] <goldfish> hi
[06:17] <graabein> yo!
[06:17] <Fazer> goldfish: DO you know why I can't get my USB port to work on my Thinkpad with the live CD?
[06:17] <dcraven> Hi Fazer.
[06:17] <triandafilos_> i worked it out... yes
[06:17] <goldfish> Fazer: no idea.
[06:17] <Spug> theeen i guess i don't have a swap partition :/
[06:17] <Fazer> i don't think the installation won't do much because during the install, my USB mouse won't work
[06:17] <Sionide> eek
[06:17] <Fazer> (it isn't on)
[06:18] <ilsa> shm is shared memory.
[06:18] <goldfish> get a new mouse? :)
[06:18] <goldfish> oh right
[06:18] <Fazer> goldfish: UHm...USB just doesn't work in Ubuntu
[06:18] <goldfish> the usb port
[06:18] <dcraven> Fazer, you in the LiveCD right now?
[06:18] <jhdoan> how can i get my mouse to use all it's button functions and my keyboard also ?
[06:18] <Fazer> dcraven: I am about to go into the LiveCD on my laptop, rightn ow, I am no desktop.
[06:18] <ilsa> USB worked perfect for me.
[06:18] <Spug> haha, okay. i think i maybe mixed up during the partitioning:
[06:19] <Spug> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:19] <Spug> /dev/hda1             3.4G  2.1G  1.2G  64% /
[06:19] <Spug> tmpfs                  62M     0   62M   0% /dev/shm
[06:19] <Spug> /dev/hda2              34G   13G   19G  41% /home
[06:19] <Fazer> ilsa: because you odn't have a crapass thinkpad
[06:19] <Spug> none                  5.0M  2.8M  2.3M  55% /dev
[06:19] <Spug> two /devs
[06:19] <dcraven> Spug, did you look in fdisk?
[06:19] <ilsa> Fazer:  I didn't want to say anything about that. :D
[06:19] <Fazer> ilsa: Good ;)
[06:19] <Mitario> hello everyone
[06:19] <Spug> yes, no 82s there
[06:19] <dcraven> hi
[06:19] <Mitario> does any know of any program which can inteprate/compile pascal?
[06:20] <liable> Spug: you have /home and /
[06:20] <dcraven> Spug, well unless you have another drive, I'd say you're swapless.
[06:20] <jel_> sigh  OK, the live CD worked fine with framebuffer.  But after installing a Geforce 1 card (known to work) and installing kubuntu to HD, it's locking up early in X.  Will it work if I just set the xorg driver to svga instead of nv?   It doesn't seem to be using a framebuffer at the console.
[06:20] <ilsa> I have a copy of Turbo Pascal 1.0 floating around somewhere... ;)
[06:20] <Cybo-Mobile> need OO printing help
[06:21] <chazwurth> Mitario: gpc is showing up in Synaptic; I've never written in Pascal or used gpc though, so I have no idea if it works or is any good.
[06:21] <dcraven> Mitario, gpc.
[06:21] <Cybo-Mobile> I am using cups, print to a jetdirect, cups prints fine.  spadmin test prints fine.  OO docs will not print,
[06:21] <membreya> jel_: try commenting out your renderaccel option from your xorg.conf
[06:21] <Spug> so i am swapless and have two /dev. i guess that mean i managed to create an own /dev during partitioning instead of swap or something? or is it supposed to be like that?
[06:21] <jel_> membreya: ok, thanks.
[06:22] <Cybo-Mobile> oh, ya, running ubunto64
[06:22] <Fazer> dcraven: so its booting up the livecd.
[06:22] <InitMass> anyone having a working battery status in Torsmo?
[06:22] <Mitario> chazwurth, dcraven: thanks
[06:22] <chazwurth> Mitario: np
[06:22] <dcraven> Mitario, anytime.
[06:22] <Cybo-Mobile> howdy RuffianSoldier
[06:22] <Fazer> preparing for a live session now
[06:23] <aimaz> Spug, when you do `top` what does it say about swap in there?
[06:23] <dcraven> Spug, I don't even know what you are saying.
[06:23] <Fazer> i have the PS/2 mouse plugged instead
[06:23] <Spug> dcraven: if you look at my df -h up there, it has two /dev. one mounted at /dev, and one at /.dev.
[06:23] <dcraven> Spug, "free" will tell you how much swap you have too.
[06:23] <Cybo-Mobile> so why will not Open office just print, I have not had to play with spadmin in over two years in debian?
[06:23] <dcraven> Spug, so do I.
[06:24] <Spug> okay.
[06:24] <dcraven> Spug, that's just Linux doin' its thing.
[06:24] <omeg> Hmm.
[06:24] <tbird_work> df -h will not show swap
[06:24] <Fazer> question, if i have a ps/2 mouse plugged in, wehat would happen if i plug in the USB mouse
[06:24] <Spug> both top and free indicate a swap: Swap:       254512     127900     126612
[06:24] <omeg> Unfortunately, it didn't work!
[06:24] <cusco> hi... I have something running on port 25.. being:
[06:24] <cusco> root@ubuntu:/home/cusco # lsof -i :25
[06:24] <cusco> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[06:24] <cusco> master  7266 root   12u  IPv4  10757       TCP localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)
[06:24] <cusco> master  7266 root   13u  IPv6  10758       TCP [::1] :smtp (LISTEN)
[06:24] <Cybo-Mobile> Fazer, nothing
[06:24] <cusco> this is a mail server, right?
[06:24] <tbird_work> just do a cfdisk and see if there is a swap partition
[06:24] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: NOthing what?
[06:24] <dcraven> Cybo-Mobile, is that printer the "default" printer? I am just shootin' in the dark here as I don't use OO.
[06:24] <jean91>  /SERVER freenode
[06:25] <ilsa> I don't understand thing sudo thing.  What happened to root?
[06:25] <Cybo-Mobile> Fazer question, if i have a ps/2 mouse plugged in, wehat would happen if i plug in the USB mouse
[06:25] <jel_> ok, that's sorted for now.  But my monitor is old, and doesn't come back on after DPMS suspend.  Can I disable that?
[06:25] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: Which mouse would work?
[06:25] <Cybo-Mobile> dcraven, yes used gnome cups manager, prints fine
[06:25] <Fazer> yay, i have the LIVeCD booted up now
[06:26] <Cybo-Mobile> Fazer, the one you have in xorg.conf
[06:26] <dcraven> Cybo-Mobile, the OO printing problem sounds familiar to me. Have you checked the wiki/forums?
[06:26] <Cybo-Mobile> Fazer, a trick to use is to plug both in at install time, that way both or either will work
[06:26] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: Can you help me tell me why USB isn't working with Ubuntu
[06:26] <Sionide> ubuntu ubuntu, they drink it in the jungle
[06:26] <Sionide> anyone listen to LugRadio here?
[06:26] <Spug> both free and top indicate a swap, but i can't see a swap in fdisk.
[06:26] <Cybo-Mobile> dcraven, no, did a quick web search for oo and printer setup
[06:27] <Sionide> they played the funniest Ubuntu trailer ever last episode, it was great!
[06:27] <Cybo-Mobile> fazer how do you know usb is not working
[06:27] <dazed> damn i wish i could remember my server pw
[06:27] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: USB mouse and other USB devices don't work ( can get power but no functionality)
[06:27] <Cybo-Mobile> fazer do as root:  tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug in the usb mouse
[06:27] <promethe> how can I login do gnome cvs server to download luminocity?
[06:27] <Fazer> cybersystem: okay
[06:27] <Fazer> * Cybo-Mobile
[06:27] <ogra> Cybo-Mobile, no need for root here :)
[06:27] <omeg> I still can't seem to set a resolution manually, it seems.
[06:28] <Cybo-Mobile> orga I have found that sudo does not alway work, but as long as the concept is understood...
[06:28] <jel_> ubuntu defaults to Unicode everywhere?   Very nice :)
[06:28] <Fazer> okay i got some shit.
[06:28] <dcraven> promethe, cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login
[06:28] <ogra> Cybo-Mobile, also no need for sudo to read a logfile in ubuntu ;)
[06:28] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: "usb 1-1: New low speed USB device using ubci_hcd and address 4"
[06:29] <Cybo-Mobile> ogra, now that is news to me
[06:29] <Fazer> then I get some of this:
[06:29] <Fazer> "khubd timed out on ep0in"
[06:29] <ogra> Cybo-Mobile, try it :)
[06:29] <Fazer> "device not accepding address 4, error -110"
[06:29] <dcraven> promethe, I suggest using jhbuild to build luminocity though.
[06:29] <Cybo-Mobile> Fazer  your usb seems to be working
[06:29] <_ac_chan_> hello
[06:29] <ogra> Cybo-Mobile, the default user is in the adm group, that is allowed to read the logs
[06:29] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: So, should I try with my USB mp3 player (removable hard drive) then?
[06:29] <graabein> where do i find out why glxinfo gives me segmentation fault (and nothing else)
[06:29] <promethe> dcraven but I can't login thru it to server to download it
[06:30] <promethe> dcraven i havn't got login
[06:30] <Cybo-Mobile> fazer yes, why not, eliminate the usb port at least
[06:30] <j-d> hello
[06:30] <dcraven> promethe, oh. Then do what I said up there first.
[06:30] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: SO I can get the drivers in for my wifi card? Ethernet just won't work, eventhough the lights blink and shit and I can get IP address, i can't access anything.
[06:30] <Cybo-Mobile> orga, forgot that.  In Debian, I never set admin to a user
[06:30] <_ac_chan_> i am using apt-get  it keeps on asking for cd..  is there a way of by passing searching for a cd
[06:30] <dcraven> promethe, cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login
[06:30] <j-d> could someone tell me, why my amarok doesn't work?
[06:30] <Cybo-Mobile> fazer what card?
[06:31] <j-d> i alreade installed gstreamer-mad, but it says, it is in use..
[06:31] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: So, now I get this: "New full sppeed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9"
[06:31] <Cybo-Mobile> _ac_chan open synaptic, go to preferences, set repositories, uncheck cd
[06:31] <dazed> Cybo-Mobile: not necissarilly, his usb port can get power all it wants but if its not properly working his mouse wont work...my usb port works for only my mouse but not removeable storeage
[06:31] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: "khubd timed out on ep0in and also on ep0out"
[06:31] <dcraven> _ac_chan_, you can remove the CDROM source through synaptic or via editing /etc/apt/sources.list I beleive.
[06:32] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: "Dvice not accpeting adres s9, error -110"
[06:32] <Fazer> *address 89
[06:32] <Fazer> **address 9
[06:32] <_ac_chan_> tanks
[06:32] <Cybo-Mobile> fazer I don't know what that means
[06:32] <_ac_chan_> thanks..
[06:32] <Fazer> Cybo-Mobile: So, what should I do....
[06:32] <Fazer> the wlan card is a microsoft mn 720
[06:32] <Fazer> that doesn't work, period.
[06:32] <Fazer> so I found a few good drivers through ndiswrapper
[06:32] <dcraven> Microsoft makes Wifi cards?
[06:32] <Fazer> i bout the ndiswrapper-utls.deb and the driver on my usb drive
[06:33] <Fazer> dcraven: And other hardware such as routers and keuyboard/mice
[06:33] <dazed> Fazer: wlan is a lil more complicated process
[06:33] <Cybo-Mobile> phone
[06:33] <Fazer> dazed: I can tell.
[06:33] <dazed> Fazer: and if its from microsoft im not 100% sure it iwll work
[06:33] <dcraven> Fazer, I knew about the keyboards/mice.. They're nice.
[06:33] <ogra> Fazer, ndiswrapper and friends are on the ubuntu CD
[06:33] <Fazer> dazed: I have heard of  others getting to work.
[06:33] <Fazer> "ndiswrapper: command not found"
[06:33] <dcraven> I needed to compile my own ndiswrapper in order to get my chipset to work.
[06:33] <ogra> Fazer, ndiswrapper is in the linux-restricted-modules package....
[06:34] <ogra> Fazer, ndiswrapper-utils has its own .deb
[06:34] <Fazer> ogra: So...but I still need the *.inf driver I ahve in my USB keyboard.
[06:34] <onkarshinde> Thanks Ubuntu developers, Hoary is quite fast than warty.
[06:34] <dazed> i really didnt know ms put out a wifi card
[06:34] <Fazer> ogra: Keep in mind I have no internet on my thinkpad.
[06:34] <Fazer> dazed: Its based on broadcom
[06:34] <ogra> Fazer, but the cd around and a usb stick with the inf ?
[06:34] <Fazer> ogra: What?
[06:34] <membreya> what's the command to check what version of QT you have installed?
[06:34] <dazed> fazer: u need to dl ndiswrapper then read the wiki on how to get wifi cards to work
[06:34] <Fazer> ogra: I am on the Live CD
[06:34] <ogra> Fazer, oh
[06:34] <Fazer> dazed: yes, I did that.
[06:34] <dcraven> Fazer, ahh.. Well the good news is that my Wifi card is also a Broadcom and I'm on it right now.
[06:35] <Fazer> dazed :I have been doing that since yesterday.
[06:35] <ogra> Fazer, try to install the aforementioned packages then
[06:35] <Fazer> dcraven: What would work for me is to get my USB drive working.
[06:35] <Fazer> But no USB devices really workk.
[06:35] <Fazer> I get timeout errors.
[06:35] <promethe> dcraven It dies when it want to connect there anoncvs.gnome.org
[06:35] <ilsa> Anyone have a cattleprod?  I think I need one used on me.
[06:35] <dcraven> promethe, dies?
[06:35] <promethe> It says then blank password is bad password
[06:35] <jel_> kubuntu is still turning off my screen during login (the "initialising peripherals" stage).  Anyone know what's going on there?
[06:36] <Fazer> sooo...
[06:36] <Fazer> what shall I do?
[06:36] <ilsa> For the hell of it I went through dpkg-reconfigure again, and this time chose "Advanced" for the screen refresh rates.  I just took the defaults and everything works fine using the proper video driver (non vesa)
[06:36] <dcraven> promethe, you just pressed enter when it asked for a password right?
[06:36] <promethe> Yeah
[06:37] <dcraven> promethe, I just did it right this second and it worked fine dude.
[06:37] <dazed> Fazer: so if you had been doing that where are u stuck?
[06:37] <Fazer> dazed: Getting internet to work atleast?
[06:38] <promethe> dcraven I'm talking about jhbuild all the time, not cvs... Cvs works fine, but jhbuild don't want work
[06:38] <dazed> Fazer: goto your network admin tool see if wlan0 is on teh list
[06:38] <dcraven> promethe, ahh.. hehe.
[06:38] <Fazer> dazed: the lights won't even go on
[06:38] <Fazer> So now, I plugged in the ethernet card in
[06:38] <Fazer> the lights go on
[06:38] <Fazer> i can see it blink and shit..
[06:39] <agenteo> someone can explain me where does the Ramdisk icon I see in the ubuntu live cd come from?
[06:39] <dcraven> promethe, that actually happened to me as well... You are having difficulties with the fdo cvs server right?
[06:39] <dazed> Fazer: the lights not coming on means your going to have to do some reading...
[06:39] <promethe> dcraven right
[06:39] <Fazer> dazed: NO no, the lights DO come on
[06:39] <dcraven> promethe, it fixed itself eventually.
[06:39] <dazed> Fazer: your wifi card lights come on?
[06:40] <Fazer> dazed: No, froget wifi for now, lets try ethernet.
[06:40] <Fazer> the ethernet card's lights go on.
[06:40] <dazed> Fazer: and theres connectivity? like the transfer light blinks?
[06:40] <Fazer> dazed: seems so
[06:40] <dazed> Fazer: ohh ok were on eth0
[06:40] <Fazer> dazed: ON it alrready, its activating the ijnterface
[06:40] <Fazer> god i hate this fucking keyboard
[06:40] <Fazer> anyways...
[06:40] <Fazer> its still activating via DHCP
[06:41] <dazed> Fazer: well linux normally lets eth0 work otb goto network-admin tool and click on eth0 and properties
[06:41] <Fazer> there we go its active.
[06:41] <dazed> Fazer: thats good let it activate
[06:41] <Fazer> dazed: Its active and al, i was doing this last night.
[06:41] <dazed> ok so its active...did u set default gateway to eth0?
[06:41] <Fazer> I log in to the router, i see it connected via DHCP without a hostame (its blank)
[06:41] <Fazer> doing so now.
[06:42] <dazed> you can log into router ip? can you ping www.google.com?
[06:42] <triandafilos_> ..dcraven.. is installing software done the same way as ms products?
[06:42] <Fazer> dazed: negative.
[06:42] <Fazer> dazed: i ping, but nothing happens, iot takes a LOOOOONNNG TIMe
[06:42] <dcraven> triandafilos, no.
[06:42] <dazed> can you ping router ip?
[06:42] <Fazer> dazed: Eh...how do I get the router iP?
[06:42] <Fazer> ooh wait
[06:42] <dcraven> triandafilos, what are you looking to install?
[06:42] <Fazer> i get it.
[06:42] <Fazer> 192.168.2.1
[06:42] <dazed> Fazer: i thought you said you just logged into router
[06:42] <triandafilos_> how do i go about installing azureus?
[06:42] <dazed> that looks right
[06:42] <Fazer> dazed: Sorry, I am a little dazed ;)
[06:43] <triandafilos_> any idea?
[06:43] <SeamusLP> triandafilos:  Have you searched for it in synaptic?
[06:43] <dazed> Fazer: me too :) but did that work?
[06:43] <Fazer> dazed: Nope, it says "Destination host Unreachable and after wards, I get ping time ranging around 1431 ms"
[06:43] <Seveas> anyone here running maya?
[06:43] <Fazer> now it isn't doing anything.
[06:44] <triandafilos> nope but i downloaded it
[06:44] <triandafilos> i think
[06:44] <Fazer> ping times are HUuge
[06:44] <Fazer> wtf...
[06:44] <promethe> dcraven hold on, I changed server and it seems, then it will work
[06:44] <Fazer> dazed: same thing was happening when I was plugged in directly to the cable modem.
[06:44] <dazed> does it return a ping though Fazer?
[06:44] <Fazer> dazed: seems like it.
[06:44] <Fazer> but huge...
[06:44] <Fazer> and it doesn't update in a while.
[06:44] <dazed> pthats good
[06:45] <triandafilos> i'll check synaptic
[06:45] <dazed> thats a good sign
[06:45] <SeamusLP> triandafilos:  Software in ubuntu linux is installed through the apt package management system
[06:45] <Fazer> dazed: heh, alright, but...it doesn't seem to be working properly?
[06:45] <dazed> what sort of ping times are u looking at?
[06:45] <Fazer> dazed: Also note that during the actual installation, it won't connect to the DHCP.
[06:45] <Fazer> dazed: mroe than 10k MS
[06:45] <Fazer> like 10000+ MS
[06:45] <promethe> dcraven work
[06:45] <dazed> Fazer: i understand but it seems more liek a bandwith/cable modem provider issue more than a linux issue
[06:45] <dcraven> promethe, coo.
[06:45] <dcraven> promethe, cool even.
[06:46] <Fazer> dazed: haha, no...i am on my desktop as we speak.
[06:46] <Fazer> and its ocnnected to the same router.
[06:46] <dazed> im starting to ping 21113 on my 56k
[06:46] <promethe> fuck
[06:46] <promethe> output.c:1499: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[06:46] <Fazer> dazed: but it takes a long ass time to ping anything besides the router?
[06:46] <dazed> so 10kms is just a bandwith issue
[06:46] <dazed> its working though
[06:47] <Fazer> dazed: But the Live CD was fine on my desktop?
[06:47] <Fazer> i am pretty sure its an ethernet card issue.
[06:47] <triandafilos> hey i installed via synaptec installer is called bittotrrent?
[06:47] <Fazer> waoh shit
[06:47] <Fazer> now its more than 20,000 MS
[06:47] <ilsa> Damn you linux and all your pretty screensavers... Now I'll never get any work done!
[06:48] <R1CH4RD> alguien habla espaol?
[06:48] <SeamusLP> triandafilos:  bittorrent and bittorrent-gui is the official client I believe
[06:48] <dazed> Fazer: ....try in a couple of hours if it doesnt come down then you have something to worry bout but im set on that i hate cable and its their fault
[06:48] <dazed> im pretty sure its just a cable issu
[06:49] <dazed> e
[06:49] <triandafilos> but i cant find it in the menu..
[06:49] <Fazer> dazed: But the livecd on the desktop works fine!
[06:49] <Fazer> so it has to be the ethernet issue.....right?
[06:49] <dazed> Fazer: you put livecd in RIGHT NOW and do the same ping and tell me it works fine then its an eth0 issue
[06:49] <SeamusLP> triandafilos:  Well gnome-bittorrent is in the menu in internet-> applications
[06:49] <Fazer> dazed: but, do I have to do that?
[06:49] <dazed> im just saying at this point in time...cable is prolly being lagged up by some people
[06:50] <Fazer> dazed: I only have one live cd, and the otherl ive cd is warty...
[06:50] <Fazer> dazed: but...i am using it at the samse time!
[06:50] <Fazer> that's how I am talking to you now!
[06:50] <dazed> ...hmmm
[06:50] <Fazer> and teh ping here is fine
[06:50] <triandafilos> not there.. what am i doing wrong?
[06:50] <dazed> your on 2 seperate desktops
[06:50] <dazed> gotcha
[06:50] <SeamusLP> triandafilos:  Are you using warty or hoary?
[06:50] <Fazer> dazed: yeah, but one is a laptop.
[06:50] <Fazer> dazed: I am on the desktop.
[06:51] <Fazer> dazed: And we are both connected to the same router.
[06:51] <dazed> it really has no signs pointing to eth0 issue .... cuz if it can ping something...thats all the eth0 does is transfer data has nothing to do with ping times
[06:51] <triandafilos> how do i check?
[06:51] <SeamusLP> system -> about ubuntu
[06:51] <Fazer> dazed: so I guess its a driver issue?
[06:51] <dazed> Fazer: im thinking now...u got me going .. ^-
[06:51] <Fazer> dazed: Hehe
[06:51] <dazed> it could be a driver issue
[06:52] <Fazer> great and the cd has a linux folder, but the instructions are no where and I allse are .c and .h files and shit.
[06:52] <triandafilos> whats the difference btw warty and hoary?
[06:52] <dazed> Fazer: yeah i dunno about linux drivers lol
[06:52] <Fazer> dazed: damn.
[06:52] <dazed> Fazer: goto the website they always have mans
[06:52] <Fazer> dazed: I am sure its just the ethernet card =/
[06:52] <SeamusLP> triandafilos:  Hoary is the newest release, comes with gnome-btdownload
[06:52] <Fazer> dazed: maybe if I assign it a hostname or something?
[06:53] <dcraven> triandafilos, if you are looking to install azureus, this might help --> http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[06:53] <dazed> Fazer: your right it could be an actually bum eth0
[06:53] <Fazer> dazed: How do I assign it a hostname?
[06:53] <triandafilos> cheers
[06:53] <dazed> goto your net-admin tool again and goto hosts click add
[06:53] <dcraven> triandafilos, Warty was the first release of Ubuntu, Hoary is the latest (a week old almost). Hoary is just a newer version.
[06:53] <Fazer> dazed: Where's that?
[06:54] <dazed> wheres which?
[06:54] <Fazer> dazed: System -> Networking  you mean?
[06:54] <Keizer> My Hoary has been working great.
[06:54] <Fazer> I am in Network Settings.
[06:54] <Fazer> ah wait, i see it.
[06:54] <dcraven> triandafilos, bookmark that guide too ;)
[06:54] <Fazer> dazed: it asks for IP address though =(
[06:54] <dazed> goto a term and run sudo network-admin (im on fluxbox so i dunno where it would be on a gnome menu)
[06:55] <dazed> Fazer: you dont know your ip?
[06:55] <Fazer> dazed: Ah okay.
[06:55] <dazed> goto term type ifconfig
[06:55] <dazed> itll give you ur ip
[06:56] <Fazer> dazed: okay, so now what?
[06:56] <dazed> try to ping the host name instead of the ip
[06:56] <Fazer> dazed: I still don't see the hostname on the router though.
[06:56] <Fazer> dazed: the alias you mean?
[06:56] <dazed> yes
[06:57] <dazed> alias
[06:57] <Fazer> dazed: woah, i get some good ping here ;)
[06:57] <Fazer> 0.0 Ms pings.
[06:57] <dazed> alias = hostname
[06:57] <Fazer> dazed: Ah gotcha.
[06:57] <dazed> good good
[06:57] <Fazer> Now....
[06:58] <Fazer> sitll can't ping anythign else though.
[06:58] <Fazer> if I could just get the USB to work
[06:58] <dazed> well we are on the right track now
[06:59] <Fazer> dazed: but ethernet card is still wack =/
[06:59] <dazed> im glad you got it to ping to the router with a good ping
[06:59] <pont> hey wheres the config for ntp ?
[06:59] <dazed> yeah id assume so
[07:00] <Fazer> it says that the router ip is unreachable and then suddenly i get long pings.
[07:00] <dazed> jeeze...it just keeps boggling me up
[07:00] <Fazer> so i guess we shouldj ust forget about it
[07:00] <Fazer> dazed: I know, sorry =(
[07:00] <dazed> im gettin outta my league on what to do :(
[07:00] <Fazer> stupid ethernet cards.
[07:01] <Fazer> dazed: what I could do is just get teh USb to work.
[07:01] <Fazer> and if that works.
[07:01] <Fazer> i can get the drivers for my other card
[07:01] <Fazer> and also install that .deb
[07:01] <dazed> Fazer: if you get usb to work let me in on what u did :)
[07:01] <Fazer> dazed: haha, chances are I might just forfiet and go out get a mac =/
[07:03] <dazed> Fazer: :((((((!!!!!!!
[07:03] <dazed> Fazer: just goto windows if ur going to do that !
[07:03] <dazed> trust me it took me a while to get everything set up to my liking but once i did..i have never seen ANYTHING better
[07:03] <Fazer> dazed: woah, you are saying that Windows is > Mac OS X?!
[07:03] <Fazer> Ubuntu is like the Macs of Linux
[07:03] <Fazer> except on laptpos i guess
[07:03] <triandafilos> Thx for you help guys but its time for bed..
[07:03] <dazed> Fazer: no im not saying that
[07:03] <triandafilos> catch you all nexr time
[07:04] <Fazer> dazed: hmmm, i wonder if I can get dialup to work! :P
[07:04] <thesamet> i have done s/hoary/breezy in source.list and doing dist-upgrade now. I noticed that it installs openoffice.org2 but does not remove openoffice.org from hoary.
[07:04] <dazed> Fazer: im saying if your goign to give up cuz its givin u trouble ...goto windows lol...dial up is much harder then anything else on linux
[07:04] <dazed> lol
[07:04] <dazed> i gave up on dialup and routed a windows computer to my linux just to host a dialup conn
[07:04] <ilsa> I'd love to get a mac to play with but they're just too expensive.
[07:04] <thesamet> Is there any action I should take, to remove packages that are not "needed" from hoary ?
[07:04] <Fazer> dazed: So I am going to try to detect the Modem port...fuck, it couldn't autodetect modem device.
[07:05] <dazed> but its class time for me...Fazer DONT GIVE UP i have faith youll get it going  just wait for the right person to come a long and give you some help :) linux is FOR YOU!
[07:05] <Fazer> dazed: haha i sure hope so, have fun in class dude.
[07:06] <Absenth> hello all.
[07:06] <Fazer> dazed: and thanks for your help..
[07:06] <ilsa> I came in late, Fazer, what's the prob?
[07:06] <Fazer> ilsa: Welp, me and dazed think that the ethernet card is kind of wack.
[07:06] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows of a howto, or guide for "snort / acid / mysql / and /apache
[07:06] <Absenth> on ubuntu.
[07:06] <ilsa> Did it work before?
[07:06] <mcdonaldswes> ilsa: of course it's not the same, but you could go into a mac store and play with one
[07:06] <Fazer> ilsa: what do you mean "before"
[07:07] <ilsa> Like, with windows or something?
[07:07] <Fazer> ilsa: Oh yeah, ofcourse.
[07:07] <Fazer> everything here works fine with Windows ;)
[07:07] <Fazer> there are drivers for my ethernet card...but...they are all source codes =(
[07:07] <ilsa> Ick... Nothing already compiled?
[07:07] <Fazer> But I was able to ping, but the ping times are huge for some reason.
[07:07] <Fazer> ilsa: Nope.
[07:08] <Fazer> ilsa: So, I am givingup on the ethernet for now, need to get USB to work so I can get the wlan card back.
[07:08] <Fazer> through the drivers
[07:08] <mainer> absenth: google,it's there try theor home pages or google configuring ...
[07:08] <Fazer> the drivers are in the wlan card.
[07:08] <Fazer> err USB drive i mean
[07:08] <Fazer> for the wlan card.
[07:08] <MrMinit> Hmm, have some problems here. Can anyone who have apt-upgraded Warty > Hoary upload /var/apt/sources.list one place?
[07:08] <Fazer> but USB times out.
[07:09] <Absenth> Fazer:  USB wireless card on Ubuntu or OSX?
[07:10] <ilsa> I dunno crap about USB.
[07:10] <Fazer> Absenth: Ubuntu..
[07:10] <Fazer> ilsa: No one here seems to
[07:11] <ilsa> USB usually just *works*.
[07:11] <_TeRmInEt_> hi
[07:11] <_TeRmInEt_> i can't downloa update with synaptic, there is any problem with servers^
[07:11] <ilsa> What kind of ethernet card do you have?
[07:12] <Fazer> ilsa: Dynex DX E201
[07:12] <ilsa> *blink*
[07:12] <Fazer> the CD that it came with has Linux driver but I would have to compile them ... some how
[07:12] <ilsa> Ethernet cards are dirt cheap now-a-days.
[07:13] <ilsa> I would recommend going to some used computer store and picking one up from 3com or something.
[07:13] <ilsa> I've never ever heard of a name like Dynex.
[07:13] <Fazer> for a PCMCIA card? bah...i can't find a good used store here, evne if I do, they probably have it new or somethingl
[07:13] <illmonkey> does someone use octave?
[07:14] <Fazer> PCMCIA cards are kind of rare these day s=/
[07:14] <ilsa> Depends where you go.
[07:14] <thully> if anyone is interested, i updated the iPod wiki on ubuntu.com - more information on configuring iPods, and how to build gtkpod from source for AAC support
[07:14] <Fazer> anyone here have a spare PCMCIA ethernet card
[07:14] <ilsa> I have 3. :)
[07:14] <dr_willis> i got a new pcmcia network card the other day for like  $20
[07:14] <dr_willis> needed one for an old laptop
[07:14] <dr_willis> actually i saw a desktop machine the otehr day with a Pcmcia Slot even.
[07:14] <Fazer> dr_willis: But it seems to be fucked up in order to pruchase something so linux would work.
[07:15] <keffo> anyone uses fluxbox?
[07:15] <dr_willis> i think it was at some Linux-diskless type worlkstation.
[07:15] <Fazer> I got this card for around $4.75 + s/h
[07:15] <Fazer> its PCMCIA
[07:15] <dr_willis> Fazer,  i've grabbed 2 pcmcia nic's  and theybe both worked. :P
[07:15] <Fazer> dr_willis: have one that you can spare?
[07:15] <Fazer> I can give you $10 USD for it.
[07:15] <_TeRmInEt_> do synaptic get update for servers?
[07:15] <tbird_work> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-14037.html
[07:16] <dr_willis> the 'spare' i got uses a lame cheap conector - so ya got to wiggle the cable t get it working. :P the reason i bought th eother.
[07:16] <dr_willis> I got mine at Best Buy.
[07:16] <_TeRmInEt_> it's five days, that cannot download update
[07:16] <ilsa> The thing about cheapo noname hardware is that it usually works in windows by default.
[07:16] <ilsa> Everyone makes drivers for windows because it's a sure bet.  Linux isn't as popular, so it's more of a pain.
[07:16] <Fazer> ilsa: it some drivers for INDOWS EITHER< I HAD TO INSTALL SOME DRIVERS FOR XP to work.
[07:16] <Fazer> FUCK, Ssorry for the caps
[07:16] <Fazer> god i hate windows
[07:17] <Fazer> man...i think i need to reboot this god damn desktop
[07:17] <ilsa> Yeah.  Well, it's all relative. :)  Virtually all hardware *should* come with Windows drivers.
[07:17] <dr_willis> the pcmcia nic i got is a "dynex'  DX-e201
[07:17] <ilsa> ROTFL
[07:17] <dr_willis> acually i think windows SHOULD be able to find all the drivers over the internet.. i shouldent have to dig for a disk  :P
[07:18] <dr_willis> ive seen windows little update service find exactly 1 driver for a pc once.. :P
[07:18] <r11r> live cd fails on finding my lg optical drive :(
[07:18] <dr_willis> and then it dident install all the stuff it needed - i still had to go track down the company's site to get a few tools. :()
[07:18] <Fazer> oh =(
[07:18] <Fazer> bah
[07:18] <sick> where can i get a eepro1000 kernel modudule?
[07:19] <_TeRmInEt_> any people can help me?
[07:19] <dr_willis> r11r,  that just a niormal cd drve?
[07:19] <Fazer> this laptop sucks balls as well
[07:19] <e-type> hi all
[07:19] <Monni> Windows Update is a big joke
[07:19] <Fazer> now, only if pestilence would wake up!
[07:19] <e-type> wow, crowdy place :)
[07:19] <dr_willis> sick,  it should be there allready. lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/eepro100.ko
[07:19] <ilsa> Monni:  And soon, only WinXP SP2 users will be able to use it!
[07:19] <tbird_work> Fazer, are you having problems with pcmcia ?
[07:19] <dr_willis> oh a 1000 :P
[07:19] <dr_willis> hmm.
[07:19] <Absenth> Anyone setup Snort, and Acid up on Ubuntu, and know of a good guide?
[07:19] <r11r> dr_willis: it's one of the lg "super multi" drives.. (GSA-4081B)
[07:20] <Absenth> or will I get to pioneer the install process :)
[07:20] <dr_willis> r11r,  heh - what does that mean exactly.
[07:20] <Kronik> ok, question for all you folks in the know...Why doesn't samba provide smbfs?  Am I doing something wrong, or is it generally borked?
[07:20] <Monni> ilsa: I have XP SP 2... just upgraded memory to 768 MB to be able to browse net while listening to mp3 files at the same time... SICK!
[07:20] <r11r> dr_willis: superdrive ... dvd+-rw and dvd-ram
[07:20] <Absenth> r11r you a mac guy?
[07:20] <r11r> It's in a Dell Precision 370
[07:20] <dr_willis> smbfs is a kernel feature/module isent it?
[07:20] <Absenth> r11r, guess not :)
[07:20] <Kronik> in synaptic it says that samba provides smbfs
[07:21] <r11r> Absenth: not at the moment :) although the livecd workd perfectly on my ibook
[07:21] <Absenth> r11r, which model ibook?  I've got a 800mhz G4.
[07:21] <_TeRmInEt_> it's normal that synaptic can't find update(last update five days ago) ?
[07:21] <r11r> Absenth: 500 mhz g3. haha
[07:22] <ilsa> Monni: Sounds like youve probably gota a wack load of spyware.
[07:22] <Absenth> r11r, so you can't likely tell me good news regarding the airport extreme, and linux :)
[07:22] <dr_willis> _TeRmInEt_,  theres proberly changes every day to the repositories.
[07:22] <Monni> ilsa: actually none... I checked ;)
[07:22] <r11r> Absenth: no, although regular airport is detected wonderfully :)
[07:22] <ilsa> Creepy...
[07:22] <Absenth> r11r, danke.
[07:22] <falcon3_>  sudo apt-get install mplayer-686
[07:22] <falcon3_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:22] <falcon3_>   mplayer-686: Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed
[07:22] <falcon3_> E: Broken packages
[07:22] <r11r> What is the ubuntu live cd based on?
[07:22] <falcon3_> What can i do about this ?
[07:22] <Burgundavia> falcon3_, warty/hoary/breezy?
[07:23] <falcon3_> hoary
[07:23] <dr_willis> r11r,  its based on knoppix i THINK.. or uses a lot of Knoppix.
[07:23] <Absenth> alright I guess i'm going to spearhead and document the hell out of making Hoary an IDS box via Snort, Acid, mysql, and apache,
[07:23] <Absenth> later all
[07:23] <r11r> dr_willis: thx
[07:23] <falcon3_> Burgundavia: hoary
[07:23] <Monni> ilsa: if I close all apps, I get memory usage to near 230 MB, mostly because I still have system services running... I guess I can get it very slow if I turn off networking
[07:23] <dr_willis> r11r,  but its a work in progess.. so it may get more and more ubuntu-ized as time goes on.
[07:23] <florian> anybody an idea why alsa + esd could sound... well choppy?
[07:23] <Burgundavia> falcon3_, have you enabled debian marilliat?
[07:23] <Burgundavia> falcon3_, and what arch>
[07:24] <falcon3_> x86
[07:24] <busfahrer> Excuse me, what's the Ubuntu command for "check if there are any new packages and install them"?
[07:24] <crimsun> busfahrer: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:24] <busfahrer> crimsun, does Ubuntu have a graphical interface for that?
[07:24] <_TeRmInEt_> dr_willis: but I try to update, but synaptic didn't find anything
[07:24] <crimsun> busfahrer: though if you want strictly /new/, you'll have to use another tool. Try Synaptic.
[07:24] <falcon3_> Burgundavia: i have marillat
[07:24] <Burgundavia> busfahrer, yes. system-->admin-->synaptic
[07:24] <e-type> florian: busy system?
[07:24] <busfahrer> Thanks, folks!
[07:24] <dr_willis> _TeRmInEt_,  could be the package is broke or som other odd issue.
[07:25] <BoneZ> How do I save a .doc on my USB memory? I've tried 3 times but it wont stay saved...
[07:25] <florian> e-type: not at all
[07:25] <Burgundavia> falcon3_, debian-marilliat just had some wierd failures recently
[07:25] <dr_willis> BoneZ,  what does it do then? just vanish?
[07:25] <Kronik> so anyone else missing smbfs?  or am I the only lucky one
[07:25] <e-type> BoneZ: did you unmount properly?
[07:25] <falcon3_> Burgundavia: so what should i do ?
[07:25] <BoneZ> @DR_willis yes
[07:25] <Burgundavia> falcon3_, wait
[07:25] <BoneZ> No
[07:25] <BoneZ> Dunno how >.>
[07:25] <BoneZ> >.<
[07:26] <e-type> BoneZ: you need to unmount filesystems properly before you unplug it
[07:26] <dr_willis> BoneZ,  thats odd.. Mine works fine. :P pop in the usb thing.. a window pops up on the desktop.. i copy files over.
[07:26] <_TeRmInEt_> dr_willis: I've hoary it's the last, didn't?
[07:26] <zane> hey guys, i need your help. I updated kernel using kynoptics and now ubuntu boots up with new kernel and then just goes to the linux command prompt, is there anything i need to do so that iboots into X?
[07:26] <dr_willis> im useing vfat on my thumbdrive however.
[07:26] <crimsun> which package did you install?
[07:26] <florian> e-type: it seems to be coused by esd, because if I playback through alsa directly it works just fine, but not together with esd.
[07:26] <zerokarmaleft> ok...i made a really stupid mistake cleaning out xfce's config files in /etc and accidentally removed /etc/xdg recursively instead of /etc/xdg/xfce4...so now /etc/xdg/menus is empty.  any ideas on how to restore it?
[07:26] <dr_willis> _TeRmInEt_,  thers updates constantly to things.. ive often had packages not want to install.. then a few day laters they work.
[07:26] <dr_willis> _TeRmInEt_,  what are you trying toinstall anyway?
[07:27] <ilsa> Gotta go.  Thanks for all the help earlier!
[07:27] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: --reinstall gnome-menus menu-xdg xfce4-mcs-plugins xfce4-panel xfwm4 xfce4-utils xfdesktop4 xfce4-session
[07:28] <_TeRmInEt_> dr_willis: i try to start update, but i didn't find source, I think
[07:28] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: that's a minimal list; you're likely in need of reinstalling additional packages
[07:28] <_TeRmInEt_> dr_willis: can I try to get update with apt-get command?
[07:28] <omeg> Man. Since I have a laptop, it seems impossible to change the volume... if I set it to very low, it's no different than when I set it high.
[07:28] <omeg> I'll just turn it off for now.
[07:28] <ogra> _TeRmInEt_, there are no big updates for hoary anymore, hoary is stable and only recieves security bugfixes...
[07:28] <graabein> hi... guys, what do i do with segmentation faults? where do i start looking??
[07:29] <crimsun> graabein: gdb
[07:29] <crimsun> omeg: cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:29] <_TeRmInEt_> ogra: ok, but i didn't know why i can't get update
[07:30] <ogra> _TeRmInEt_, did you edit your sources.list ?
[07:30] <omeg> crimsun: just terminal'ed that, but it showed me a list of the available sound cards.
[07:30] <_TeRmInEt_> yes, only to add universe source
[07:31] <falcon3_> Burgundavia: still looking ?
[07:31] <crimsun> omeg: that's precisely what I want to see. Paste it to pastebin.com
[07:31] <ogra> _TeRmInEt_, you might have a typo or double entry
[07:31] <omeg> Er, sure. =)
[07:31] <Burgundavia> falcon3_, I see that some things just got removed or didn't build on i386 in the marilliat repos. I have no idea why
[07:32] <_TeRmInEt_> brb, but when just edited it worked
[07:32] <Coily> i edited my sources.list to hoary, did apt-get dist-upgrade... but lsb_release -a says im using warty
[07:32] <Coily> help anyone?
[07:32] <omeg> http://www.pastebin.com/271260 <-- Here you go, crimsun.
[07:32] <crimsun> Coily: you needed to update first
[07:32] <falcon3_> Burgundavia: anything i can do bout it?
[07:32] <Coily> crimsun, i did
[07:32] <Coily> i wish it was that simple ='[
[07:32] <crimsun> Coily: you ran apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:32] <zane> guys .. somebody..  i need your help. I updated kernel using kynoptics and now ubuntu boots up with new kernel and then just goes to the linux command prompt, is there anything i need to do so that it boots into X?
[07:32] <dcraven> falcon3_, if you want mplayer, I suggest you comment out merillat and use the one in multi/universe.
[07:32] <Coily> crimsun, correct
[07:32] <crimsun> zane: answer my question.
[07:32] <Fazer> dcraven: how do I moutn a floppy dirve?
[07:32] <falcon3_> dcraven: thx
[07:33] <zane> crimsun: whats the question?
[07:33] <Fazer> anyone know how to mount a floppy drive?
[07:33] <crimsun> zane: scroll up.
[07:33] <crimsun> zane: I asked about which package you installed
[07:33] <Fazer> USB mice and drives don't work with ubuntu
[07:33] <Coily> crimsun, the first time i used dist-upgrade it installed a bunch of stuff, error free. but when i reboot... "warty"
[07:33] <Fazer> ethernet doesn't work
[07:33] <Fazer> so I don't know wtf to do.
[07:33] <Fazer> How does anyone moutn floppy drives?!
[07:33] <falcon3_> where is sources.list located again ??
[07:33] <tbird_work> mount /media/floppy0 or whatever your floppy drive is
[07:33] <Coily> /etc/apt
[07:33] <falcon3_> thx
[07:33] <dcraven> Fazer, mount /dev/fd0 /wherever ?
[07:33] <zane> i installed 2.6.11
[07:34] <Fazer> ah okay.
[07:34] <graabein> crimsun: i put gdb glxinfo in pastebin.com
[07:34] <crimsun> graabein: sec
[07:34] <Fazer> wtf
[07:34] <dcraven> Or /media/floppy maybe.
[07:34] <Fazer> now it says specify filesystem type?!
[07:34] <Coily> would someone running hoary tell me what "lsb_release -a" prints out
[07:34] <omeg> http://www.pastebin.com/271260 <-- Here you go, crimsun.
[07:34] <akk> Wow!  The hoary live CD works on my Vaio laptop!
[07:35] <omeg> One fine ol' laptop default Intel sound chipset. :p
[07:35] <crimsun> omeg: thanks, read.
[07:35] <akk> That's the first live CD ever that's worked on that machine.
[07:35] <Fazer> akk: same can be said about my thinkpad
[07:35] <Fazer> but USB doesn't work
[07:35] <chinna> Coily:LSB Version:    n/a
[07:35] <chinna> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[07:35] <chinna> Description:    Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release)
[07:35] <chinna> Release:        5.04
[07:35] <chinna> Codename:       hoary
[07:35] <crimsun> omeg: so adjustments make via alsamixer or amixer have no effect?
[07:35] <_TeRmInEt_> >apt-get update
[07:35] <_TeRmInEt_> Get: 1 http://archive-ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B] 
[07:35] <_TeRmInEt_> Hit ttp://archive-ubuntu.com hoary Release
[07:35] <_TeRmInEt_> Hit ttp://archive-ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[07:35] <_TeRmInEt_> ecc...
[07:35] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, hmm...gnome-menus has the config files i need, but reinstalling doesn't restore them
[07:35] <Burgundavia> chinna, please avoid flooding the channel like that
[07:35] <crimsun> omeg: particularly adjustments made to Master and/or PCM
[07:35] <zane> crimsun, i instaled linux-image 2.6.11-1-386    2.6.11-0.2
[07:35] <omeg> I'm not sure. All I know is this: when I use the volume lever to the top-right of the screen, it doesn't matter.
[07:35] <Fazer> WTF!
[07:36] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: --reinstall install? If not, purge it then reinstall it.
[07:36] <Fazer> how the FUCK do you specify the fiulesystem type of a fuckign floppy!?!?
[07:36] <zane> thats the only one i selected from the list
[07:36] <Coily> dammit i did a dist-upgrade and its telling me im running warty, argh!
[07:36] <crimsun> zane: don't use that package. It's _unsupported_.
[07:36] <_TeRmInEt_> ogra: ?
[07:36] <Fazer> dcraven: So, dude...filesystem of a floppy? WTf is up with that?
[07:36] <crimsun> zane: revert to your previous 2.6.10-34
[07:36] <ogra> _TeRmInEt_, where is an error there ? i dont see one
[07:37] <zane> oh.. then how do i upgrade the kernel? just use  the old fashioned way?
[07:37] <crimsun> Fazer: watch your language.
[07:37] <Fazer> sorry
[07:37] <Fazer> i am pissed off at this
[07:37] <Fazer> that it can't even moutn a floppy drive
[07:37] <Fazer> and what filesystem does a floppy drive run on
[07:37] <chinna> Coily did u run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade in the same order??
[07:37] <crimsun> pmount /media/floppy
[07:37] <Coily> no i did not run apt-get upgrade
[07:37] <Kronik> Fazer: it depends on what it's formatted as
[07:37] <MajestiK> I'm trying to install a
[07:37] <MajestiK> err..
[07:37] <Fazer> Kronik: Its just...a floppy
[07:38] <Fazer> crimsun: there i sno /floppy in /media
[07:38] <Kronik> but what's it formatted as
[07:38] <Kronik> fat
[07:38] <Coily> and that would be stupid considering id be upgrading hoary packages for a release i dont have
[07:38] <Fazer> /media is empty
[07:38] <falcon3_> w00t
[07:38] <chinna> Coily :then  u did wrong
[07:38] <falcon3_> dcraven: thx
[07:38] <falcon3_> its installing
[07:38] <MajestiK> I'm trying to install a kernel-686-smp onto my machine, but it seems like the only kernel I can use is the -386 one, I get unable to mount root errors if I try anything else.  The machine is a dual Xeon Hyperthread box
[07:38] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, ty...purge-n-reinstall worked
[07:38] <Coily> chinna, read what i just said...
[07:38] <crimsun> Fazer: pmount /dev/fd0 something
[07:38] <_TeRmInEt_> ogra: apt-get don't download update
[07:38] <graabein> *ogden's nut gone flake*
[07:38] <dcraven> falcon3_, anytime.
[07:38] <crimsun> Fazer: it'll appear as /media/something
[07:39] <falcon3_> dcraven: i got a lot of codecs for mplayer, any idea where to throw them ?
[07:39] <Fazer> and then?
[07:39] <crimsun> Fazer: and then use it.
[07:39] <Fazer> how?
[07:39] <Fazer> there is still nothing in /media/
[07:39] <omeg> Anyway, it's strange. And the sound seems to be pretty loud by default. You're busy right now though, crimsun, but maybe someone else is able to help me as well? =)
[07:39] <akk> Darn, it seems to hang on "halt".  Otherwise the live CD was perfect (modulo slowness, of course).
[07:39] <dcraven> falcon3_, no. I just use the apt ones.
[07:39] <Fazer> i did 'pmount /dev/fd0 something'
[07:39] <Fazer> and there is nothing in /media
[07:39] <ogra> _TeRmInEt_, if there is no change, why should it waste bandwith
[07:39] <chinna> Coily the upgrades are based only on the version numbers alright??
[07:39] <crimsun> Fazer: paste the output of ,,dmesg | tail -5'' in #flood
[07:39] <AlfonsVH> Hi guys; I've got a problem. I want to share internet connection, using a Kubuntu box as client and a win2k box as server. I enabled DHCP on both machines, but I can't connect to the internet via the Linux box. When I check the status of the network, Linux tells me that eth0 is disabled. When I enable it and go back to control center, it's disabled again! How does that come and how to fix it?
[07:40] <Fazer> crimsun: uhm...my laptop isn't connected to the internet
[07:40] <Fazer> so I can't paste shit.
[07:40] <_TeRmInEt_> ogra: can I past all the log in query?
[07:40] <crimsun> Fazer: refrain from the expletives
[07:40] <Fazer> i did dmesg
[07:40] <ogra> _TeRmInEt_, sure
[07:40] <crimsun> Fazer: that's five lines. Get a pen and a paper and type them.
[07:41] <Fazer> crimsun: I its all useless information? it sabout keyboard and 100 MBps full-duplex crap.
[07:41] <e-type> AlfonsVH: did you configure xp correctly to share it's connection?
[07:41] <Florob> omeg: what soundcard/chipset is this?
[07:41] <chinna> Coily the upgrades are based only on the version numbers alright??
[07:41] <crimsun> Fazer: then remove the filter and find any information about floppy drive detection
[07:42] <AlfonsVH> e-type: It's win2000, not XP, and yes, I did share the internet connection
[07:42] <Fazer> crimsun: "end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, secor 0"
[07:42] <chinna> Coily the upgrades are based only on the version numbers alright??
[07:42] <Fazer> that seems relevant
[07:42] <crimsun> Fazer: quite. And above that?
[07:42] <omeg> Florob: http://www.pastebin.com/271260 <-- This is from the terminal. I'm on a Dell Inspiron 9100 with default sound chipset.
[07:42] <Coily> chinna, what do you mean
[07:42] <Fazer> crimsun: "atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed."
[07:42] <omeg> Everything is working fine except for the sound and the video.
[07:42] <crimsun> omeg: have you adjusted the Master and/or PCM volumes using alsamixer?
[07:43] <crimsun> omeg: open a Terminal, type alsamixer, and use the arrow keys
[07:43] <omeg> Alright. Trying now.
[07:43] <Fazer> omeg: ethernet and floppy and USb don't work =/ imagine how pissed off I am, the moment I boot back to XP, spyware galore!
[07:43] <Fazer> i hate running on slow hardware
[07:43] <alex> #mandrake
[07:43] <Fazer> fucking pisses me off
[07:43] <falcon3_> Does anyone know where extra mplayer codecs need to go ?
[07:43] <Fazer> sorry for swearing.
[07:43] <crimsun> falcon3_: /usr/lib/win32/
[07:43] <Fazer> crimsun: "atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed."
[07:44] <e-type> AlfonsVH: can you ping your 2k box?
[07:44] <crimsun> Fazer: but no further references to fd0?
[07:44] <falcon3_> crimsun: kevin@ubuntu:/usr/lib$ cd win32
[07:44] <falcon3_> bash: cd: win32: No such file or directory
[07:44] <Fazer> crimsun: Nope.
[07:44] <AlfonsVH> By the way; I've got an other problem too; my soundcard isn't recognized. I tried the one that was in my computer originally (compaq-thing - pnp) and a Creative 16 Pro pnp card; I tried to install the correct ALSA drivers, but it still doesn't work. The BIOS does recognize it though
[07:44] <chinna> Coily the upgrading is only for the package version which is better than the ones you have
[07:44] <crimsun> falcon3_: did you install w32codecs?
[07:44] <falcon3_> no
[07:44] <tony> can somebody help me? i can no longer execute binarys with users != root!
[07:44] <crimsun> falcon3_: ...then you need to.
[07:45] <Fazer> crimsun: So...hopeless yet again?
[07:45] <alex> how do i install mplayer?
[07:45] <crimsun> Fazer: I presume the floppy is formatted and perfectly writeable and readable from another OS?
[07:45] <Fazer> crimsun: Correcto.
[07:45] <falcon3_> crimsun: cant find anything related to w32codecs
[07:45] <chinna> tony use sudo
[07:45] <omeg> Alright, crimsun, Florob: I'm now able to alter the sound's volume, but still unable to alter it using the handy volume lever to the top-right of the screen.
[07:45] <crimsun> alex: read the instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:46] <alex> merci, crimsun
[07:46] <omeg> It seems that it just doesn't respond to that. Alsamixer can alter the sound's volume, however.
[07:46] <chinna> tony use sudo
[07:46] <chinna> tony use sudo
[07:46] <tony> chinna: no, i know how to become root
[07:46] <tony> chinna: i no longer can do something without being root
[07:46] <crimsun> omeg: that's probably because the handy volume control is using the wrong device. You have 2 devices; card0 is the onboard ac97, and card1 is your onboard modem
[07:46] <chinna> tony why what did u do??
[07:47] <crimsun> omeg: what happens with Applications>Sound & Video>Volume Control?
[07:47] <Florob> omeg, does right click-> options-> change from oss to alsa help?
[07:47] <Florob> BTW so mow i'm pissed for me neither works ;(
[07:47] <davix> anybody using xqf?
[07:47] <Fazer> crimsun: I just tried the flopy on this desktop and everything's just as normal.
[07:47] <AlfonsVH> e-type: no, no pinging ("connect: network is unreacheable")
[07:47] <falcon3_> crimsun: w32codecs (MARILLAT)
[07:47] <falcon3_> needed to delete marillat
[07:47] <tony> chinna: i don't really know. was installing mathematica and afterwards i was no longer able to execute files
[07:47] <Moods> hi there everyone ...
[07:47] <chinna> tony why what did u do??
[07:47] <chinna> tony why what did u do??
[07:47] <graabein> hi
[07:47] <jnk> Hi. Just installed swat, but localhost:901 says "connexion refused"
[07:47] <Moods> i m in a problem in ubunutoo linux
[07:48] <Moods> i m in a problem in ubunutoo linux
[07:48] <Moods> i m in a problem in ubunutoo linux
[07:48] <tony> chinna: look above
[07:48] <Moods> will somebody help be
[07:48] <Moods> me*
[07:48] <crimsun> Moods: that's great, stop repeating.
[07:48] <cavediver> Can anyone help me reproduce a bug in nautilus ?
[07:48] <AlfonsVH> yes tell your problem, mooeds
[07:48] <Burgundavia> cavediver, sure
[07:48] <e-type> AlfonsVH: does ifconfig list eth0 as being up?
[07:48] <Fazer> wow...this sucks.
[07:48] <Fazer> so, i am giong to give ubuntu one last try
[07:48] <e-type> moder: ask ;)
[07:48] <jnk> How do I edit the accounts for samba ?
[07:48] <omeg> crimsun, Florob: thanks a lot. It works now that I've set it to PCM instead of "Volume". I'm not sure if this covers all volume (I guess only all WAVE) but at least this works for now.
[07:48] <e-type> moder: sorry, meant someone else ;)
[07:48] <Moods> i have installed ubuntoo ... but it didnt asked root pass ... and i m unable to boot as root ? what to do
[07:48] <cavediver> Place a .ogg file on your desktop. Then try to right-click and choose properties. My nautilus hangs solid.
[07:49] <jnk> Moods, you don't log as root
[07:49] <jnk> Moods, you use the sudo command
[07:49] <crimsun> Fazer: is this with a certain install or a live cd, and which?
[07:49] <Burgundavia> Moods, ubuntu uses sudo. see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[07:49] <jnk> Moods, to get a root shell, use "sudo -s"
[07:49] <omeg> Now there's just one more problem. I'm on a laptop with WUXGA screen, which allows a max of 1920x1200x32. Apparently, it's not possible to use this resolution. I'm on 1600x1200 right now, but with my widescreen, it's uncomfortably stretched. =)
[07:49] <Fazer> crimsun: live cd ofcourse, I am not going to install when I find out that nothing works.
[07:49] <Moods> oh ... thanks jnk .. let me try that ...
[07:49] <AlfonsVH> e-type: it does LIST eth0, but no IP address, only inet6; the configuration screen in Kubuntu tells me that eth0 is disabled
[07:49] <jnk> Moods, if you really want to active the root account, run "sudo passwd" but just don't
[07:49] <cavediver> Is there a channel to get in contact with some developers.
[07:49] <cavediver> And report this bug.
[07:49] <dcraven> cavediver, bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[07:50] <crimsun> cavediver: report bugs using bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:50] <cavediver> ok
[07:50] <tony> can somebody help me? i can no longer execute binarys with users != root!
[07:50] <Burgundavia> cavediver, verified
[07:50] <crimsun> cavediver: universe bugs go to malone, launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[07:50] <AlfonsVH> Moods, it IS possible to login as root, just do a google search "ubuntu login as root", but I DO NOT RECCOMEND it at all!!!! BE CAREFUL
[07:50] <Coily> is it possible that lsb_release is lying to me, and that im running hoary? are there any simple ways to tell if im running hoary?
[07:50] <Moods> oh .. thanks ..
[07:50] <cavediver> Burgundavia: thanks. has been there for a while. Maybe it's not reported.
[07:50] <tbird_work> apt-get install  mplayer-common
[07:50] <crimsun> Coily: no, lsb_release isn't pulling a fast one on you
[07:50] <Moods> how do i activate servers like samba ... apache .. squid etc ?
[07:50] <Moods> will u plz guide me ?
[07:51] <jnk> Coily, check the file /etc/apt/sources.liist
[07:51] <e-type> AlfonsVH: you don't have dhcp server running on xp, configure your card with static ip and yr 2k box as gateway
[07:51] <jnk> Coily, /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:51] <graabein> can anyone help me with my nvidia card... i think i have a problem with opengl
[07:51] <crimsun> Fazer: which model laptop and revision?
[07:51] <e-type> AlfonsVH: erm, xp, I meant 2k winbox
[07:51] <chinna> tony wat r the permissions of the binaries u want to run??
[07:51] <chinna> tony wat r the permissions of the binaries u want to run??
[07:51] <Coily> crimsun, then why is synaptic telling me theres nothing to upgrade, when i have all of the hoary repositories added
[07:51] <chinna> tony wat r the permissions of the binaries u want to run??
[07:51] <Fazer> crimsun: Thinkpad 600E 2645
[07:51] <jnk> Moods, launch synaptic and install what you want
[07:51] <dcraven> tony, what does "ls -l /usr/bin/top" say?
[07:51] <tony> chinna: the permissions are OK, even the filesystem is mounted with exec set
[07:51] <moon> !!
[07:51] <Fazer> crimsun: and yes, i did do some research, but I don't know why USb atlesat won't work let alone ethernet
[07:51] <Moods> oh thanks a lot jnk
[07:51] <crimsun> Coily: because there's /nothing/ to upgrade. Hoary is frozen. Nothing new goes in.
[07:52] <tony> dcraven: rwxr-xr-x
[07:52] <cavediver> Hm, it
[07:52] <Fazer> crimsun: I am talking USB so I can mount my USB drive and get the drivers off of it and get my wlan up and running.
[07:52] <mchang> howdy folks
[07:52] <Coily> crimsun, im talking about dist-upgrade
[07:52] <Burgundavia> cavediver, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8314
[07:52] <Coily> crimsun, as in warty>hoary
[07:52] <cavediver> It's reported already and the status is solved... https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8143
[07:52] <Burgundavia> cavediver, might be related
[07:52] <jnk> Coily, gnome-about, which version does it report ?
[07:52] <dcraven> tony, do you get permission denied or do you get "file or directory not found"?
[07:52] <cavediver> Burgundavia: I saw that. But it's not solved :)
[07:52] <mchang> anyone working with hoary kickstart here?
[07:52] <Burgundavia> cavediver, follow the dup
[07:52] <crimsun> Coily: and you Refreshed?
[07:52] <Coily> jnk, 2.8.1
[07:53] <Coily> crimsun, yes
[07:53] <Burgundavia> cavediver, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8076
[07:53] <crimsun> Coily: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list onto pastebin.com
[07:53] <cavediver> Burgundavia: ohh i see.
[07:53] <tony> dcraven: i can't even login. I get "Unable to cd to "/home/tony""
[07:53] <Coily> crimsun, k
[07:53] <jnk> Coily, it's not hoary then
[07:53] <dr_willis> Hmm.. where in the world does usb gamepads show up under /dev/ now a days?
[07:53] <mchang> Trying to figure out how to automate the kickstart apt configuration screen.
[07:53] <mchang> Any thoughts?
[07:53] <tony> dcraven: however, i should be able to open /home/tony
[07:53] <graabein> can anyone help me with my nvidia card... i think i have a problem with opengl
[07:53] <dcraven> tony, does /home/tony exist? If it does, what are it's permissions?
[07:53] <crimsun> Fazer: I presume you've read the notes here? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM/view?searchterm=Thinkpad%20AND%20600E
[07:53] <Fazer> man, its relly sad when even the floppy wont' work!
[07:54] <Fazer> crimsun: first thing i did yes.
[07:54] <crimsun> Fazer: and which acpi options are you using?
[07:54] <tony> dcraven: the permissions are  correct rwxr-xr-x tony:tony
[07:54] <Fazer> crimsun: I don't know, how must I check?
[07:54] <Coily> http://pastebin.com/271269
[07:54] <crimsun> Fazer: so you read the page but aren't using any acpi options? hmm.
[07:54] <jnk> So someone know how to edit accounts for samba shares ?
[07:54] <crimsun> Fazer: cat /proc/cmdline
[07:54] <Fazer> crimsun: I am using the Live CD?
[07:55] <crimsun> Fazer: cat /proc/cmdline
[07:55] <Fazer> crimsun: Okay, I Just booted back into the LIve CD again in hopes that the floppy would alteast work.
[07:55] <crimsun> graabein: sorry about the delay. Could you paste the output of glxinfo onto pastebin.com, please?
[07:55] <Coily> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/271269
[07:55] <graabein> crimsun: i just get one line: Segmentation fault
[07:56] <crimsun> graabein: and what hardware are you using?
[07:56] <graabein> nvidia geforce 6600 gt
[07:56] <crimsun> Coily: lsb_release -a  => pastebin
[07:56] <jnk> Coily, run : sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[07:56] <graabein> i've installed 7174 from the official site
[07:56] <crimsun> graabein: Hoary?
[07:57] <graabein> yep
[07:57] <Fazer> crimsun: Okay, so I did that, what exactly are you looking for?
[07:57] <crimsun> graabein: why didn't you follow the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[07:57] <crimsun> graabein: Hoary ships with 7174
[07:57] <omeg> Hmm. How do I access the wastebin? Don't see any desktop icons.
[07:57] <crimsun> graabein: by mucking with Nvidia's installer, you've munged the setup
[07:57] <Fazer> crimsun: I don't see anything about acpi you asked.
[07:57] <jnk> omeg, you have a trash applet. Is this what you're looking for?
[07:57] <crimsun> Fazer: in /proc/cmdline?
[07:57] <Fazer> crimsun: yeah
[07:57] <omeg> I guess. I just tossed a file and want it back. =)
[07:58] <Fazer> crimsun: I did a grep as well, and that didn't return anything.
[07:58] <jnk> omeg, so add a trash applet to a pannel if it's not already there
[07:58] <graabein> crimsun: i read some where it didn't support 6600 gt?
[07:58] <shining> hi
[07:58] <jnk> omeg, or look at the folder .Trash in your home directory (hidden folder)
[07:58] <crimsun> Fazer: all right, now try booting with noapic nolapic pci=noacpi
[07:59] <Florob> omeg: lower right corner?
[07:59] <graabein> crimsun: i use driver "nv"... x won't start with "nvidia"
[07:59] <jnk> bye
[07:59] <Fazer> crimsun: Bah...wish I knew that earlier , *sigh* hold on, doing sudo shutdown
[07:59] <Fazer> crimsun: But, why "noapic" ?
[08:00] <crimsun> Fazer: your hardware is known to have broken hardware. We'll start with the safe combination.
[08:00] <Fazer> crimsun: Ooh, I know the trackpoint is broken.
[08:00] <Fazer> it is disabled.
[08:00] <Fazer> okay
[08:00] <Fazer> i am at the boot screen
[08:00] <Coily> jnk, for some reason aptitude worked
[08:00] <Fazer> i get an error
[08:01] <Fazer> "Could not find kernel image: noapic"
[08:01] <crimsun> Fazer: read the instructions in the help menu for appending kernel parameters
[08:01] <avatar__> .1.1
[08:01] <crimsun> Fazer: you'll need to specify a kernel image
[08:01] <Fazer> kernel paratmers or boot parameters?
[08:01] <cens0red> I have a j2sdk rpm. Seems it would be easier to use that then download a deb with dialup. Where's a page on using that "alien" thing?
[08:01] <shining> I tried to upgrade to breezy on one of my box to get the last fglrx driver, but I didn't see any update for it
[08:01] <crimsun> Fazer: same thing
[08:01] <dags> on radeon vid card; okey to use the 6.8.0-8.8.25 deb in the repository or is the latest rpm from ati.com far better (on 2d use mostly)?
[08:01] <Fazer> crimsun: I am kind of new so I am not sure what I might be doing..
[08:02] <crimsun> Fazer: press F1
[08:02] <Fazer> did that
[08:02] <shining> it only upgraded gcc and 3 other packages
[08:02] <crimsun> shining: it hasn't built yet
[08:02] <xxenon> any reason why ch.archive.ubuntu.com hasn't been updated for 1 week ?
[08:02] <stianh> Greetings
[08:02] <shining> crimsun, its funny, I saw on the web it was
[08:02] <graabein> yo! (norway)
[08:02] <Fazer> crimsun: Should I do live acpi=off
[08:02] <Fazer> ?
[08:03] <Fazer> what is acpi exactly?
[08:03] <crimsun> shining: where on the web?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> xxenon, hoary is frozen. There are no more updates except security ones
[08:03] <shining> dags, well the actual works
[08:03] <crimsun> Fazer: wikipedia will help you
[08:03] <shining> crimsun, on ubuntu forums maybe
[08:03] <crimsun> Fazer: pci=noacpi does that
[08:03] <e-type> Fazer: power control, battery stuff, cpu frequencies, ...
[08:03] <crimsun> shining: oh? url?
[08:03] <Fazer> ooh okay.
[08:03] <Fazer> so i am on a laptop..
[08:04] <akk> Fazer: Do you mean acpi, or apic?  They're different things.
[08:04] <Fazer> shit
[08:04] <Fazer> acpi
[08:04] <xxenon> Burgundavia - ok. Any way to get the new develpment repository ?
[08:04] <graabein> crimsun: do you suggest i do the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> xxenon, breezy just opened yesterday. I am not moving for another few weeks, but change all your hoary refs to breezy
[08:04] <mrimbert> graabein, yes
[08:05] <Fazer> crimsun: So, what shall I boot with?
[08:05] <graabein> mrimbert: even when i've installed the official drivers and messed about?
[08:05] <crimsun> graabein: yes
[08:05] <graabein> okay, will do. wish me luck!
[08:05] <xxenon> Burgundavia - thx
[08:05] <crimsun> Fazer: the line I first gave you
[08:05] <Burgundavia> xxenon, highly not recommended
[08:05] <reon> HI, I need some help with installing 'nvidia' driver please !
[08:05] <stianh> hmm, I have just installed hoary on my laptop, and every five minutes or so, my external mouse (usb) freezes, and I have to unplug it and plug it back it to get it working again. Any suggestions?
[08:05] <Fazer> crimsun: it...doesn't work, remember?
[08:06] <nubben> anyone wanna help a newbie?
[08:06] <crimsun> Fazer: no, you simply didn't pass the correct syntax
[08:06] <crimsun> Fazer: read the help
[08:06] <nubben> I cant mount ant of my other windows partitions,
[08:06] <Fazer> crimsun: it isn't making much sense...
[08:06] <crimsun> Fazer: you pass a kernel image as the first parameter, then the additional noapic nolapic pci=noacpi
[08:06] <nubben> just the one that I have windows installed on..
[08:06] <crimsun> Fazer: like this: linux noapic nolapic pci=noacpi
[08:06] <Fazer> so should i say "live"
[08:06] <Fazer> instead of "linux"
[08:07] <envel> is there any messenger for gnome similar to ksalup in KDE?
[08:07] <crimsun> Fazer: if that's what the help tells you to do, yes
[08:07] <reon> Hi, I need some help with installing 'nvidia' driver please...
[08:07] <monteiro> my mouse is very slow when i'm writing a cd or installing a game , in gentoo or debian this didnt happen :( anyone knows what it is ?
[08:07] <crimsun> reon: and you've read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[08:07] <sdogi> anyone knows why doesn't bittornado work in ubuntu?
[08:07] <Fazer> crimsun: Then uhm...there are many boot parameters
[08:07] <envel> monteiro, check hdparm
[08:07] <omeg> Hmm. I downloaded Mozilla Suite, but now that I've extracted it, it won't let me run the installer. It's indicated as an executable, but double-clicking it has zero effect.
[08:07] <Fazer> crimsun: I mean, there are many sub-choices
[08:08] <Fazer> I don't know which one applies to me?
[08:08] <monteiro> envel : tks :)
[08:08] <Burgundavia> reon, take a peak at www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriversHowto
[08:08] <crimsun> Fazer: please read what I said above
[08:08] <reon> crimsun:  I read http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[08:08] <Fah> is there an amd64 version of mplayer for hoary?
[08:08] <crimsun> Fazer: keep it simple. Pass the kernel name then the string I gave you
[08:08] <gds> W WINDOWS
[08:08] <gds> :-)
[08:08] <envel> monteiro, maybe you cdrom works in pio
[08:08] <graabein> crimsun, mrimbert: http://pastebin.com/271277
[08:08] <Zotnix> Hrm
[08:08] <Fazer> crimsun: do you want me to type "linux noapic nolapic pci=noacpi" ?
[08:08] <Zotnix> Perhaps I should have waited to upgrade to Breezy.
[08:08] <crimsun> Fazer: yes, save you may have to replace "linux" with the correct image name
[08:09] <envel> is there ksalup-like program for gnome? (using gtk libraries)
[08:09] <monteiro> envel : but if its the same thing when i use a lot of programs at the same time, not heavy and it happens the same
[08:09] <Fazer> crimsun: Couldnot find kernel image: linux
[08:09] <crimsun> reon: so now read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:09] <gds> How can I install proprietary ati driver?
[08:09] <crimsun> Fazer: the help menu tells you precisely what the livecd's image name is
[08:09] <mrimbert> gds, same URL crimsun just gave
[08:09] <reon> crimsun: Yes I read that one as well
[08:09] <crimsun> reon: then where are you having problems?
[08:09] <wicked> omg there is a question bombardment here :)
[08:09] <Fazer> crimsun: Yeah well, its not there so I replaced "linux" with "live" in that boot procedure
[08:09] <Fazer> so it seems to be owrking...
[08:10] <envel> monteiro, maybe you have not enough memory and your hard drive works in pio mode;)
[08:10] <crimsun> Fazer: good
[08:10] <graabein> reon: i have problems with my nvidia card as well... whats your problem?
[08:10] <omeg> Maybe someone could help me? I'm pretty sure this is just a simple thing. I downloaded Mozilla Suite, but I can't run the installer. Double-clicking does nothing, without any sort of error message.
[08:10] <Fazer> crimsun: Okay, so, what shall I do next? Wait for it to completley boot up?
[08:10] <mrimbert> graabein, you'll need to do what it says there regarding the md5sum
[08:10] <shining> quote : "ATI driver version 8.12.10 is available in breezy, which should fix this problem + have a decent performance improvement."
[08:10] <memnips> for some reason, ubuntu keeps getting disconnected from my WLAN, and, there is no way I can re-connect to it without rebooting which is very annoying.
[08:10] <shining> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:10] <crimsun> Fazer: yes, and do whatever you initially tried to do, use something USB-related?
[08:10] <mrimbert> graabein, or, change "nv" to "nvidia" by hand
[08:10] <graabein> mrimbert, okay, i'm on it...
[08:10] <reon> crimsun: whe I specify driver 'nvidia' my X wont load, if I change it back 2 'nv' it works
[08:10] <Fazer> crimsun: Yeah, i was trying to moutn a USB drive.
[08:11] <crimsun> reon: so paste the error from /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin.com
[08:11] <graabein> mrimbert, last time i did that x wouldnt start... in the xorg.cof
[08:11] <shining> reon, follow the link I just pasted
[08:11] <graabein> nf
[08:11] <Fah> reon: is the nvidia kernel module loaded?
[08:11] <shining> reon, and read the instructions for installing the nvidia driver
[08:11] <Fazer> crimsun: OH and one more thing, how come teh LIve CD configured the DHCP for me while the Installer doesn't?
[08:11] <graabein> Fah, what do i type to check that?
[08:11] <crimsun> Fazer: just now?
[08:11] <crimsun> Fazer: or before?
[08:11] <Fazer> crimsun: Before.
[08:11] <memnips> anyone know how to restart a wireless network device (reactive and deactiveate dont actually work) because i keep getting disconnected from my WLAN and have to reboot.
[08:11] <envel> omeg, check file rights, the 'executable' bit is not set
[08:11] <mrimbert> graabein, is nvidia module loaded?
[08:11] <Fah> graabein: lsmod|grep nvidia
[08:11] <crimsun> Fazer: the livecd is different from the install cd
[08:12] <monteiro> envel : maybe it is it, i'm expecting to have time to change to another hard-drive the ubuntu
[08:12] <Fah> if its not loaded modprobe nvidia
[08:12] <Fazer> crimsun: =( so....that means when I install it, my network card won't work?
[08:12] <graabein> nvidia               3919548  0   /   agpgart                31784  2 intel_agp,nvidia
[08:12] <Fah> then  start x
[08:12] <crimsun> Fazer: it means you may have to pass additional kernel/boot options
[08:12] <envel> monteiro, do you know  a program similar to ksalup that written especially for gnome?
[08:12] <Fazer> ooh =[
[08:12] <mrimbert> graabein, okay, have you taken a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:12] <graabein> i'm in x right now but glxinfo gives me segmentation fault
[08:13] <Fah> and you've installed the nvidia-glx package?
[08:13] <memnips> anyone know how to restart a wireless network device? Reactive and deactiveate dont actually work after i get disconnected from my WLAN and forces me to reboot to re-connect.  Very frustrating.
[08:13] <monteiro> envel : nop
[08:13] <crimsun> graabein: we need to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log with "nvidia"
[08:13] <shining> membreya, it works here
[08:13] <graabein> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[08:13] <shining> oops
[08:13] <crimsun> graabein: yes, even if it doesn't work. Copy it to a safe location.
[08:13] <shining> memnips, it works here
[08:14] <membreya> shining: ? :|
[08:14] <crimsun> graabein: lsmod|grep ^nvidia
[08:14] <memnips> shining, when you get disconnected, you can just re-activate and it works?
[08:14] <mrimbert> graabein, please paste it to pastebin (Xorg.0.log)
[08:14] <crimsun> graabein: err, n/m. Just scrolled up.
[08:14] <shining> membreya, I said oops
[08:14] <shining> memnips, yep
[08:14] <dcraven> memnips, dhcp?
[08:15] <memnips> dcraven, yeah, dhcp.
[08:15] <shining> memnips, sometimes, I just wait, and it reconnects alone
[08:15] <crimsun> graabein: does /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o exist?
[08:15] <angeldusted> UNTUNU!
[08:15] <shining> I'm using dhcp too
[08:15] <Fazer> crimsun: Okay, so it has booted up...
[08:15] <angeldusted> UBUNTU OWNS
[08:15] <memnips> damn...mine refuses to do that.
[08:15] <shining> angeldusted, you too
[08:15] <dcraven> memnips, dhclient wlan0 will ask for an IP.
[08:15] <Fazer> angeldusted: =[ wishI could say that.
[08:15] <graabein> crimsun, yep
[08:15] <dcraven> memnips, or 'ifup wlan0'.
[08:16] <memnips> dcraven, i habe no idea what you are saying.  =P  im a newb.
[08:16] <crimsun> graabein: and what version is it from?
[08:16] <graabein> crimsun, how do i find out?
[08:16] <Fazer> you know... crimsun, the ethernet is workign just fucking fine.
[08:16] <Fazer> omg!
[08:16] <angeldusted> <3
[08:16] <Fazer> ogm!
[08:16] <shining> memnips,  you could maybe try "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[08:16] <Fazer> OMG!
[08:16] <tdx> ;)
[08:16] <graabein> Fazer, yippie!
[08:16] <memnips> shining, do you think using a static IP instead of dhcp would help?
[08:16] <Fazer> horray, but boo @ boot parameters
[08:17] <dcraven> memnips, I don't know how to do this in a GUI.. But if you open a terminal and type "dhclient wlan0" then your machine will ask the router for it's IP address.
[08:17] <crimsun> graabein: strings /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o|grep ^"nvidia id"
[08:17] <memnips> dcraven, ah ok.
[08:17] <angeldusted> ohh ehi6
[08:17] <angeldusted> ohh shit
[08:17] <graabein> nvidia id: NVIDIA X Driver  1.0-7174  Tue Mar 22 06:48:37 PST 2005
[08:17] <angeldusted> I thought this was hts
[08:17] <angeldusted> =/
[08:17] <angeldusted> heh
[08:18] <crimsun> graabein: please paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto pastebin.com
[08:18] <Fazer> crimsun: So, you are awesome.
[08:18] <Fazer> crimsun: Yes?
[08:18] <angeldusted> ok
[08:18] <angeldusted> see you guys later
[08:18] <crimsun> Fazer: huh?
[08:18] <Fazer> crimsun: thanks...ethernet magically works!
[08:18] <crimsun> Fazer: np
[08:18] <graabein> http://pastebin.com/271280
[08:18] <Coily> whats the latest kernel release, 2.6.8.xx??
[08:19] <dcraven> Fazer, does that mean you can stop the cursing now?
[08:19] <membreya> 11
[08:19] <envel> Coily, 2.6.11.7
[08:19] <Fazer> dcraven: NEver!
[08:19] <Fazer> dcraven: Sorry , yes =(
[08:19] <crimsun> Coily: Hoary uses 2.6.10+patches, the latest is listed on kernel.org
[08:19] <mrimbert> Coily, but 2.6.11 is not supported in Hoary
[08:19] <crimsun> graabein: looking
[08:19] <dcraven> Coily, 2.6.10 is the last supported version I think.
[08:20] <Coily> would someone mind posting their /boot/grub/menu.list ubuntu entry?
[08:20] <guru3> anyone else here had apt-getting python2.4 fail?
[08:20] <Coily> just pm me it
[08:20] <envel> Coily, for what?
[08:20] <crimsun> graabein: unfortunately that's the version with "nv", not "nvidia"
[08:20] <Coily> crosscheck
[08:20] <Fazer> crimsun: How did you know of those commands!
[08:20] <crimsun> graabein: we need to see the version with "nvidia"
[08:20] <BoneZ> What is the hexadecimal for F? 15 right?
[08:21] <crimsun> Fazer: reading.
[08:21] <Fazer> crimsun: Can you tell me what you read?
[08:21] <graabein> crimsun, so... i have to replace the driver part in xorg.conf?
[08:21] <crimsun> Fazer: that page.
[08:21] <Fazer> crimsun: Are yu sure  it was that page? I didn't find much under 600E
[08:21] <crimsun> graabein: yes, and make sure Load "glx" is _uncommented_
[08:21] <omeg> So. Maybe someone can help me now? I've downloaded and extracted the Mozilla Suite installer--there's an executable inside which I can't open.
[08:21] <omeg> Double-clicking just doesn't work.
[08:21] <mcdonaldswes> BoneZ: yes, F=15
[08:21] <graabein> crimsun, okay, i'm on it
[08:21] <BoneZ> ok, thanks
[08:22] <crimsun> Fazer: many hardware problems are exhibited in different laptops
[08:22] <Coily> would someone mind pming me their /boot/grub/menu.list ubuntu entry?
[08:22] <crimsun> Fazer: some such problems appear across multiple makes and models
[08:22] <Fazer> crimsun: Oh, I see
[08:22] <BoneZ> If I got a block with 30724312 with: Start: 1040 and End: 4864 How many GB would I then have?
[08:22] <BoneZ> Like 30GB?
[08:23] <reon_> crimsun:  http://www.pastebin.com/271279
[08:23] <envel> is there any mailslot-based gnome messenger?
[08:23] <BoneZ> 30724312+ is the correct block
[08:23] <Fazer> crimsun: So I guess I will be doing in install now....when launching the INstaller, do I pass the same boot options but instead of "live" i put "linux" ?
[08:24] <reon_> crimsun: reon@mamoth:~$ sudo modprobe nvidia
[08:24] <crimsun> reon_: you did not comment _out_ Load "dri"
[08:24] <reon_> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[08:24] <crimsun> reon_: did you follow wiki/BinaryDriverHowto?
[08:24] <reon_> crimsun: which file is that in ?
[08:25] <crimsun> reon_: did you follow wiki/BinaryDriverHowto?
[08:25] <tritium> reon, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:25] <Coily> would someone mind pming me their /boot/grub/menu.list ubuntu entry?
[08:26] <reon_> crimsun: Yes, But I did not see anything about removing Load "dri"
[08:26] <tritium> reon, that's noted in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[08:26] <crimsun> reon_: that's because ..glx-enable does that
[08:26] <Chipparn> hi. need help with something.. im trying to add extra repositories. i got this page to help me: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories . and im getting this error : warning nothing exported, no valid openpgp data found when im trying this command: gpg --armor --export 1F4B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[08:27] <Fazer> crimsun: So I guess I will be doing in install now....when launching the INstaller, do I pass the same boot options but instead of "live" i put "linux" ?
[08:27] <reon_> crimsun: Should I remove the Load "dri" line ?
[08:27] <crimsun> Fazer: use the help menu to find out which image name you should use
[08:27] <Fazer> crimsun: Hmm, that is the tricky part as there are various sub menus
[08:27] <crimsun> reon_: no, follow the directions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:30] <reon_> crimsun: Think I'm learning here. My restricted modules does not match my kernal. I change to K8 instead of generic
[08:30] <crimsun> reon_: ok
[08:31] <reon_> crimsun: thanks, I feel like a real twit, lesson learnt, dont just assume things.
[08:31] <Coily> would someone mind pming me their /boot/grub/menu.list ubuntu entry?
[08:31] <reon_> coily, ok
[08:32] <Coily> reon_, thanks
[08:32] <Fazer> crimsun, I am now trying to configure the sound.
[08:32] <zimba-tm> hem, what sound editor could I use ? I want to cut some mp3, really basic editing
[08:32] <crimsun> snd-cs4236 should work
[08:32] <crimsun> zimba-tm: audacity
[08:33] <Fazer> crimsun, this is what I did:
[08:33] <zimba-tm> thanks crimsun
[08:33] <Fazer> sudo modprobe cs4232
[08:33] <reon_> Coily: I'm trying to DCC you.
[08:33] <Fazer> But I got this:
[08:33] <crimsun> Fazer: that's the oss driver, don't use it.
[08:33] <Fazer> FATAL: Error inserting cs4232 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/cs4232.ko): No such device
[08:33] <Fazer> crimsun, : ooh
[08:33] <crimsun> use the one I sadi
[08:33] <crimsun> said^
[08:34] <crimsun> if it doesn't work, pass isapnp=0
[08:34] <tweek> i just poped in to say, hoary hedgehog owns me :D
[08:34] <crimsun> I have to go back to work.
[08:34] <graabein> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/271287
[08:34] <Fazer> crimsun: Do I use that with modprobe?
[08:34] <omeg> Is there anybody who can help me with a (probably VERY simple) problem?
[08:35] <graabein> crimsun, anyone else that can help me with nvidia driver problem?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> omeg, sure
[08:35] <omeg> I downloaded Mozilla Suite, and extracted it to my desktop. Now the installer binary in the extraction folder won't open. I can double-click it all I want, but nothing happens.
[08:35] <omeg> mozilla-installer-bin
[08:35] <tritium> omeg, why are you not installing the mozilla packages from the repositories?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> omeg, my question exactly
[08:36] <omeg> I downloaded the Linux version from the site.
[08:36] <Myrtti> why?
[08:36] <gds> Why  on my k7 install Ubuntu itself with kernel for i386?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> omeg, start system-->admin-->synatpic
[08:36] <njan> gds, that's the default
[08:36] <omeg> Is it included with Ubuntu by default?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> omeg, then search for mozilla
[08:36] <njan> gds, you can apt-get install your own kernel if you want.
[08:36] <gds> Is it convenient to change kernel?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> omeg, and it install it
[08:37] <tritium> gds, if you want, grab linux-k7
[08:37] <njan> omeg, firefox is bundled by default in ubuntu, which is a faster browser built around mozilla. If you want the whole mozilla suite, you can install it via synaptic as Burgundavia points out.
[08:37] <omeg> Okay, I'll try that. But still. It's strange that I'm unable to double-click an executable.
[08:37] <gds> tritium,  have you grabbed it?
[08:37] <tritium> gds, I don't have a k7, no
[08:37] <njan> omeg, as a general rule, you should be able to install *any* remotely common package using synaptic or apt-get at the commandline
[08:38] <bur[n] er> omeg: u sure it's marked as executable?
[08:38] <Fazer> crimsun: I get no such device with the isapnp=0 paramter.
[08:38] <tritium> gds, sudo apt-get install linux-k7, if you want it
[08:38] <omeg> bur[n] er: positive, it's indicated as an executable.
[08:38] <Burgundavia> omeg, proabably becuase you need sudo privs
[08:38] <bur[n] er> bah, screw it... dont' use the mozilla installer ;)  apt-get
[08:38] <graabein> can anyone help me with my nvidia problems? i've posted the Xorg.conf here: http://pastebin.com/271287
[08:38] <gds> thanks tritium
 omeg, start system-->admin-->synatpic <-- I can't find it. :p In the "applications" folder?
[08:39] <tritium> gds, sure
[08:39] <Burgundavia> omeg, Synaptic Package Manger
[08:39] <tritium> graabein, that's not your xorg.conf ;) (it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[08:39] <Guga> I have warty on a 2nd hd, Hoary on the 1st.  I get text only on the 2nd hd.  How can I fix this?
[08:39] <Sh4d> kelkun pourais m'aider ? comme un con j'ais dsinstaller gnome-panel
[08:39] <Sh4d> et j'arrive pas a le rinstaller :-(
[08:40] <graabein> tritium, hehe, sorry, i meant the Xorg.0.log
[08:40] <tritium> Sh4d, #ubuntu-fr
[08:40] <Sh4d> ah thx
[08:41] <reagleBRKLN> closes i've seen is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto#building-the-mol-modules
[08:41] <Guga> I can access my 2nd hd, but no desktop
[08:42] <graabein> tritium, what do you reckon the problem is? i can't start x with the "nvidia" driver
[08:42] <gds> Can I alternatively use fglrx driver and open source ati driver?
[08:42] <gds> (Changing xorg.conf)
[08:42] <tweek> when i run lilconfig i get four choices for bitmaps, is there any particular one to choose?
[08:42] <tritium> graabein, I'm looking it the log now.  Is that the whole thing?
[08:42] <tweek> liloconfig*
[08:42] <graabein> tritium, yep
[08:43] <Myrtti> liloconfig?
[08:43] <Myrtti> why liloconfig?
[08:43] <gds> Ati proprietary driver is broken but It's accelerated
[08:43] <tweek> to configure lilo
[08:43] <tweek> because grub isnt working
[08:43] <Myrtti> oh
 omeg, Synaptic Package Manger <-- I've found Applications --> Accessories --> Package Manager, but not a "Synaptic Package Manager". There's a whole bunch of files in the one I have, and I can't really find Mozilla. :p
[08:44] <tritium> graabein, hard to say, particularly since you installed from nvidia's binaries, rather than ubuntu packages
[08:44] <Burgundavia> omeg, you have 2 menus or three?
[08:44] <cens0red> hey is the package free-java-sdk really a complete sdk?
[08:44] <graabein> tritium, how do i remove the binaries?
[08:44] <cens0red> hey is the package free-java-sdk really a complete java sdk? with jre?
[08:44] <tweek> Myrtti is there any particular one i should use?
[08:44] <omeg> Sorry, nevermind, I just found it in Computer --> System Configuration.
[08:44] <tritium> graabein, I've never used them, so I can't say
[08:45] <Myrtti> tweek: I have no idea, I use grub. I was just wondering why you use lilo
[08:45] <tritium> cens0red, if you want java, follow Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:45] <tweek> ok :\
[08:45] <omeg> I just installed Mozilla. That was the easiest installation ever.
[08:45] <graabein> tritium, how do i verify if open gl is running as it should?
[08:46] <tritium> omeg, ;)
[08:46] <Guga> 2nd hardrive won't show a desktop, just text of my files
[08:46] <Burgundavia> omeg, welcome to the wonders of a debian based distro
[08:46] <omeg> :)
[08:46] <tritium> graabein, I'm not sure of the best way...
[08:46] <omeg> Great system.
[08:46] <cens0red> tritium you mean make my own deb package with checkinstall or sumthin?
[08:46] <SpaceNuts> omeg, welcome to the wonderful world of package managers
[08:46] <tritium> cens0red, with java-package
[08:47] <Guga> how can I move files from my warty hd to my hoary hd?
[08:47] <SpaceNuts> Guga: mv ?
[08:47] <Guga> mv, SpaceNuts?
[08:47] <SpaceNuts> omeg: for tips on installing things see http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:47] <gunny> I need some samba help
[08:47] <omeg> I guess that leaves me with just one problem. The resolution of 1920x1200 seems unsupported. I edited my XF86Config-4 file, and added the "1920x1200" resolution to every single mode, but it still won't show up even after a cold reboot.
[08:47] <omeg> Thanks, SpaceNuts.
[08:48] <SpaceNuts> Guga: what exactly do you want to do, move files from one partition to another?
[08:48] <Guga> yes, SpaceNuts
[08:48] <cens0red> tritium I don't understand sorry.
[08:48] <gunny> trying to share 2 directories on my ubuntu box with my XP box
[08:48] <tritium> cens0red, it's on the URL.  Please read Method 2
[08:48] <gunny> nobody uses these boxes but me
[08:48] <SpaceNuts> omeg: try /etc/xorg.conf
[08:48] <guru3> anyone have anyidea why my xorg is missing the vesa driver?
[08:48] <omeg> Thanks.
[08:49] <SpaceNuts> Guga: well have you got both partitions mounted?
[08:49] <Guga> yes, SpaceNuts
[08:49] <omeg> /etc/xorg.org is a "new file".
[08:49] <mjr> omeg, either your monitor settings don't allow for such high a resolution, in which case you should fix them, or there's no builtin mode for that (I'm not sure), in which case google for modeline 1920x1200.
[08:49] <omeg> I've always used 1920x1200 on Windows XP, so it's possible for my hardware. Maybe it's because I'm using the vesa driver?
[08:49] <mjr> omeg, oh yeah, that; it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:49] <SpaceNuts> Guga: ok what is the path for the source partition and what is the path for the destination partition?
[08:50] <Guga> IDE 0 and IDE 1
[08:50] <mjr> it's quite possible that the vesa driver can't initialize that mode
[08:50] <cens0red> tritium I did make my own deb package from the sun (TM) j2sdk_1.4.2_03-1_i386.rpm using alien. Is that much the same thing?
[08:50] <SpaceNuts> mjr and omeg, mjr is right, sorry for that it is indeed /etc/X11/xorg.cong
[08:50] <omeg> I was told to try /etc/X11/xorg.conf before by a friend, but that didn't exist either. I edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 instead.
[08:50] <SpaceNuts> * xorg.conf
[08:50] <mjr> you should really see the log file
[08:50] <mjr> (of the X server)
[08:50] <tritium> cens0red, I suppose so.  I've not used alien.
[08:50] <mjr> omeg, still using warty, then?
[08:50] <omeg> Er, yeah. =) I ordered the CDs a while back.
[08:50] <SpaceNuts> Guga: the paths in your filesystem, for example /mnt/disk1
[08:50] <omeg> So there's already been a major update since?
[08:51] <mjr> right, then that's the correct file. Just see /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[08:51] <Guga> let me check, SpaceNuts
[08:51] <SpaceNuts> Omeg: yes it is now a half year past ubuntu, and the next release has been last friday
[08:51] <Guga> Computer/Filesytem, SpaceNuts
[08:52] <omeg> Is there any way for me to update to the latest version (5.04, I see) in this version through an updater? Or in the terminal?
[08:52] <zimba-tm> anyone has tries to use bluetooth in gnome ? I think it's supposed to be integrated with nautilus, but I don't know where
[08:52] <omeg> Or do I have to redownload the new package and use that to upgrade?
[08:52] <graabein> tritium, or others, does this: (WW) NVIDIA(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum    cause a problem?
[08:52] <bassMonkey> when I try to open a .rar file I made in winace with archiver it says archive type not supported... The question is why, becouse I have installed rar
[08:52] <tritium> graabein, it could, but at least that's just a warning
[08:52] <gunny> omeg, there are great instructions for getting haory on ubuntuforums.org
[08:53] <omeg> Thanks.
[08:53] <dr_willis> bassMonkey,  try it from the shell.
[08:53] <delire> bassMonkey: you installed unrar?
[08:53] <gunny> basically change your apt.sources to point to hoary then apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:53] <graabein> tritium, x won't start with the nvidia-driver so the error must be in the xorg.0.log?
[08:53] <dr_willis> bassMonkey,  thers also some non-free versions of rar/unrar out that may be newer
[08:53] <graabein> sorry, i'm a newbie
[08:54] <mjr> omeg, there's also instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[08:54] <mjr> under "how to upgrade"...
[08:54] <tritium> graabein, it should be, yes
[08:54] <delire> graabein: never apologise for being a newbie. you're absolutely allowed to ask Q's from time to time ;)
[08:54] <gunny> thank goodness ;)
[08:54] <graabein> thanks, i just don't wanna nag! :)
[08:55] <dr_willis> Just call us Sir! :P
[08:55] <dr_willis> and grovel a bit.
[08:55] <graabein> hehe
[08:55] <gunny> anyone feel like tackling Samba?
[08:56] <graabein> i'll be real pleased when i get the gfx to run, that's for sure!
[08:56] <SpaceNuts> gunny what exactly is the issue
[08:56] <gunny> I have an XP box that can see the samba server, but not the 2 folders I have shared
[08:57] <gunny> very basic in home system me and the wife are the only users
[08:57] <dr_willis> for samba and windows  - i always seem to have to set the 'browseable' feature in the samba config on the shares.
[08:57] <dantheman> woudl anybody be willing to look at my xorg.conf and help me figure out why x can't load with my two monitors
[08:57] <dantheman> ?
[08:57] <gunny> I have verified smb is running and I can see the shares when I browse network from ubuntu
[08:57] <SpaceNuts> ok you did set the shares
[08:57] <gunny> yes they are set
[08:57] <SpaceNuts> you did already restart the smb daemon?
[08:58] <gunny> doing that now
[08:58] <dr_willis> gunny,  also - i find that i have to make the xp users and linux users with identical names/passwords.  AND use smbpasswd to make them have samba passwords also.
[08:58] <dr_willis> but ive fought with samba over the years.. and a lot of this may not be needed any more.
[08:59] <omeg> I've browsed the Ubuntu forums for a while, but I'm still uncertain if there's a way to actually auto-update Warty to Hoary.
[08:59] <omeg> But if there is, I'll keep looking. :p
[08:59] <gunny> should the icon on a directory change to indicate it is shared?
[09:00] <dr_willis> gunny,  hmm you are setting the shares from the gnome interface?
[09:00] <delire> omeg: you should be able to dist-upgrade once you've added hoary to your repository list.
[09:00] <gunny> yes dr_willis
[09:00] <bassMonkey> delire: that was a good point, works now
[09:00] <bassMonkey> thanks
[09:00] <gunny> but they showd up in smb.conf
[09:00] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/home/reagle> fusermount /tmp/crypt /tmp/crypt-raw/
[09:00] <delire> bassMonkey: ok np..
[09:00] <riji> how to make the gnome-menu transparent?
[09:00] <guru3> any idea why my xserver does not have the vesa driver?
[09:00] <reagleBRKLN> -rwsr-xr--  1 root fuse 17068 Mar 18 07:52 /usr/bin/fusermount*
[09:00] <dr_willis> gunny,  i normally just make 'home' shares in the smb configs.  i also set the home shares to be browseable.
[09:00] <reagleBRKLN> i just added myself to fuse
[09:00] <reagleBRKLN> shouldn't i be able to execute it
[09:00] <dr_willis> gunny,  but ive not messed with this much under ubuntu..
[09:00] <gunny> smb noob
[09:01] <dr_willis> gunny,  you did check out 'ubuntuguide.org' ? they have info on this
[09:01] <Fazer> ** (network-admin:23105): CRITICAL **: gst_xml_element_set_content: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[09:01] <delire> guru3: to be sure 'sudo modprobe -l | grep vesa'
[09:01] <Fazer> whoops
[09:01] <dr_willis> gunny,  and thers a online book on samba thats free
[09:01] <dr_willis> byee. all work time
[09:01] <Fazer> that is the error I get when I try to enable my wlan card =(
[09:01] <gunny> theu used to the new guide just shows how to install samba it seems
[09:01] <riji> Or how to make everythig transparent on the startpanel?
[09:02] <Fazer> has anyone here had success with broadcom wlan cards?
[09:02] <guru3> delire: hmmm, nothing there...
[09:02] <delire> Fazer: hmm what is the card? 'lspci | grep Wireless' perhaps
[09:02] <delire> guru3: you're right, that is odd. what graphic card are you using anyway?
[09:02] <Fazer> delire: Sure, hold on.
[09:02] <guru3> delire: im on a mac
[09:02] <delire> Fazer: ahah broadcom... no that's enough info
[09:03] <Fazer> delire: lol
[09:03] <delire> guru3: ok.. (and good for you).
[09:03] <guru3> yeah... better if it'd work ><
[09:03] <guru3> the console is framebuffer
[09:03] <guru3> but fbdev doesn't work
[09:03] <delire> guru3: hey you should disenable all the framebuffer stuff while trouble shooting X.
[09:03] <delire> s/disenable/disable
[09:03] <Fazer> delire: so....what would you suggest on doing?
[09:03] <guru3> delire: i don't think i can do that
[09:03] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[09:03] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[09:03] <delire> Fazer: have you installed wireless-tools?
[09:04] <Fazer> delire: do I have to?
[09:04] <Fazer> i have my ethernet jacked in
[09:04] <delire> guru3: ok 'lspci | grep VGA'
[09:04] <Fazer> so i have to remove my ethernet card and put in the wifi card.
[09:04] <delire> Fazer: but you said wlan.. which do you want to configure?
[09:04] <omeg> Hmm. Synaptic Package Manager doesn't show Hoary as a package. How would I add it to my repository list?
[09:04] <guru3> delire: 0000:00:07.0 VGA compatible controller: Decision Computer International Co.: Unknown device 6666
[09:04] <delire> Fazer: guru3: jeziz how old is the mac?
[09:05] <guru3> not very...
[09:05] <jintxo> graabein, /join #ubuntu-es
[09:05] <delire> guru3: never heard of that card..
[09:05] <Choubaka> Hm
[09:05] <Fazer> delire: Eh?
[09:05] <delire> guru3: ok no matter. have you tried with svga?
[09:05] <guru3> no
[09:05] <Choubaka> Why the hell don't any decent clients exist for DC on Linux
[09:05] <delire> Fazer: you want to get your wlan up and running?
[09:05] <Ti_Uhl> i've upgraded to hoary with apt but i always get the message that x-window-system-core is been kept back, i still run on Xfree but how do i update to Xorg ?
[09:06] <delire> guru3: see if you have it 'modprobe -l | grep svga'
[09:06] <guru3> also not found
[09:06] <graabein> jintxo, what for?
[09:06] <onkarshinde> Which is th ebest speech recognition software on linux (specifically Ubuntu)?
[09:06] <jintxo> graabein, sorry.. tab completion :-p
[09:06] <queuetue> Where would I go to buy a copy of UT, and have it marked down as a linux purchase, not a Windows one?
[09:06] <delire> guru3: though it's probably compiled into the kernel.. you have tried using 'vesa' in your X display settings? /etc/xorg.conf
[09:07] <queuetue> (UT -= Unreal Tournament)
[09:07] <guru3> yeah
[09:07] <guru3> it says module not found
[09:07] <delire> guru3: ok.. but you have tried vesa
[09:07] <guru3> yes
[09:07] <delire> guru3: and what was the error output?
[09:07] <Ti_Uhl> i've upgraded to hoary with apt but i always get the message that x-window-system-core is been kept back, i still run on Xfree but how do i update to Xorg ? anyone ?
[09:07] <guru3> 1 sec
[09:07] <omeg> I'm on Warty, and I want to upgrade to Hoary, can I do this in my Synaptic Package Manager?
[09:07] <delire> guru3: don't flood here though! just the line
[09:07] <delire> join #pyogre
[09:08] <delire> how's it going..
[09:08] <delire> you work all day and then this ;)
[09:08] <Fazer> delire: yes, yes i do?
[09:08] <malika> salut
[09:08] <Fazer> i am using a mn 720 microsoft wlan card
[09:08] <delire> join #ubuntu
[09:08] <Fazer> I guess its on the broadcom chipset
[09:08] <malika> hello
[09:08] <onkarshinde> Which is th ebest speech recognition software on linux (specifically Ubuntu)?
[09:08] <delire> Fazer: ok can you 'sudo iwconfig' ?
[09:08] <Fazer> sure hold on
[09:08] <riji> is there a package with Apache+PHP+Mysql all together?
[09:09] <Fazer> delire: I dont have my wlan card plugged in though
[09:09] <Fazer> I can only plug in one card at a time.
[09:09] <queuetue> riji, Why?
[09:09] <GhostFreeman> How can I remove Kubuntu and all the additional software in installed
[09:09] <GhostFreeman> it*
[09:09] <kemal> Hi, I just installed 4.10 and root privileges, but it does not allow me??
[09:09] <delire> Fazer: are you writing from the machine you're trying to configure?
[09:09] <omeg> Oh well. Don't really have much more time now... I'm gonna boot back to Windows and solve my problems at a later date. Thanks for your help for now, all. =)
[09:09] <Fazer> delire: Yes.
[09:09] <Fazer> delire: I am on the laptop with the ethernet on.  Trying to see if I can get teh wifi going ;)
[09:09] <jintxo> riji, you could install phpbb and you would get it all at once :-) (you'd also get phpbb, heh)
[09:10] <delire> Fazer: hmm, so you'll be offline if you plug in the card. that makes it difficult.
[09:10] <onkarshinde> Any speech recognition software for linux?
[09:10] <Fazer> delire: i am beside a desktop though...that is plugged into the router so I can be connected, kind of.
[09:10] <delire> Fazer: that'd be wise..
[09:10] <queuetue> riji, just apt-get them all indivdually...
[09:10] <Fazer> delire: alright, connecting.
[09:10] <riji> never configed apcahe etc under linux before :S
[09:10] <delire> onkarshinde: apt-cache search speech recognition
[09:10] <guru3> delire: "failed to load modules "vesa" module does not exist"
[09:11] <delire> guru3: jeziz that seems odd. is this Warty or Hoary?
[09:11] <onkarshinde> delire: Can you explain the output of command?
[09:11] <guru3> hoary
[09:11] <RQ> WooHoo! :)
[09:12] <register2223> hi
[09:12] <Fazer_> delire: Okay.
[09:12] <delire> onkarshinde: apt-cache search <keyword> searches all the package repositories for which you have listed based on the keyword.
[09:12] <onkarshinde> delire: thanks
[09:13] <riji> how the hell do i get accessto a dir on linux :S
[09:13] <riji> "you don't have premission"
[09:13] <Fazer_> delire: So i did iwconfig
[09:13] <Fazer_> i see some stuff for wlan0
[09:13] <queuetue> riji, sudo.  (Have you read any docs?)
[09:13] <Fazer_> Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00:00
[09:13] <Fazer_> Power Management: off
[09:13] <cens0red> hmmm ... my windows partition doesn't appear in my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:14] <riji> well how to do sudo in the browser?
[09:14] <delire> Fazer_: ok.. don't spam it all here.. ;)
[09:14] <guru3> delire: does it hurt that the hoary cd wouldn't boot so i sort of hacked my install off of debian?
[09:14] <Fazer_> delire: yeah, i am manually tpying so I am limited to my spam ;)
[09:14] <[DarKrusheR] > hi
[09:14] <delire> Fazer_: now this 'sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning'
[09:14] <delire> Fazer_: see any access points?
[09:14] <Fazer_> delire: Hold on.
[09:15] <Fazer_> delire: But...my wifi card isn't even blinking or anything, its like its off.
[09:15] <delire> guru3: hmm so this isn't a fresh hoary install. ok what does 'uname -r' give you?
[09:15] <guru3> 2.4.18-newpmac
[09:15] <Fazer_> delire: I get wlan0       No scan results
[09:15] <delire> Fazer: ok then do this to see what's happening. 'sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog' and look at the output as you plug in and unplug the card.
[09:16] <Fazer_> delire: okay.
[09:16] <delire> Fazer: /var/log/syslog is the system log for your entire machine. tail 'watches' or follows this log.
[09:16] <guru3> delire: it's cause my system wouldn't boot 2.6 kernels :/
[09:16] <Fazer_> delire: alright, I see some activity.
[09:17] <Fazer_> sutffstuff like wlan0: ndiswrapper ethernet device
[09:17] <delire> guru3: if i were you i'd join debian-ppc and ask them there. all modern macs run beautifully on 2.6.* kernels. if i were you i wouldn't tell them you're running Ubuntu just yet. just ask the questions you need answered there. if you have no luck come back and ask me. BTW simonrvn is your man for all ppc issues.
[09:17] <Fazer_> gives me the driver name.
[09:17] <delire> Fazer: well then you're very close
[09:17] <Fazer_> delire: Awesome.
[09:18] <delire> Fazer: anyway, give me 2 mins..
[09:18] <guru3> delire: ok, thnx
[09:18] <Fazer_> i also see DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 20
[09:18] <delire> Fazer: putting on some coffee
[09:18] <queuetue> It kind of stinks that Ubuntu users have to slum when we're asking for help in #debian... :)
[09:18] <Fazer_> delire: hehe cool!
[09:18] <stas> hi guys
[09:18] <stianh> Greetings again people!
[09:18] <stas> can you please help me out with some of the things
[09:18] <stas> that I used in Windows
[09:19] <stas> that I can't figure out how to do in ubuntu?
[09:19] <e-type> stas: fire away
[09:19] <queuetue> riji, I would not use nautilus, or the "browser" if i were you.  If you insist on using the GUI to manipulate files, I hope someone wil help you, because I won't. :)
[09:19] <stas> ok :)
[09:19] <stas> can I remap my capslock key
[09:19] <stas> to act as a Winkey?
[09:19] <stas> and my RAlt key as capslock?
[09:19] <Arcane> Is there ANY WAY to log in as root? I'm getting tired of opening root terminals every half second.
[09:20] <queuetue> Arcane, sudo -s
[09:20] <queuetue> Arcane, Or. jus tpuch "root console" fromt he menu. :)
[09:20] <queuetue> Arcane, Oh, I muisunderstood what you wanted.
[09:21] <queuetue> Arcane, You want to *run* as root?
[09:21] <stas> and
[09:21] <stas> I want to be able to launch apps by using global shortcuts
[09:21] <stas> is that possible?
[09:21] <stas> so like
[09:21] <graabein> anyone tried games.yahoo chess?
[09:21] <queuetue> Arcane, I don't recommend that.  Typing sudo is such a tiny price to pay for not nuking yur system with an improper twitch. :)
[09:21] <stas> capslock-r to bring up the altf2 window
[09:21] <e-type> stas: remap using xmodmap
[09:21] <Arcane> ... Nuking my system?
[09:21] <e-type> stas: http://support.cis.ksu.edu/docs/user/faq/unix/keymaps.html
[09:21] <Arcane> It's already quite nuked, since I can't get apt-get to get a file off my computer and Ubuntu hates my modem.
[09:21] <stas> or ctrl-alt-left to run 3ddesk
[09:22] <stas> thanks, e-type
[09:22] <Fazer_> delire: tell me when you are ready =)
[09:22] <delire> Fazer_: yep back
[09:22] <e-type> stas: the commands executed on keypresses is other stuff than the remapping
[09:22] <graabein> how do i search channels in irc? i forgot
[09:22] <stas> oh
[09:22] <stas> can I do it?
[09:22] <Fazer_> Delgul: Okay...its activingat the interface wlan0
[09:22] <stianh> Hey, I'm trying to access my Creative Zen Touch jukebox with Gnomad2, however, there seems to be some permissionerrors, I only gain access to the content of my mp3-player as root, though it does recognize that the player is connected as a regular user.
[09:22] <stianh> any suggestions?
[09:22] <stas> also, I would really like global xmms shortcuts
[09:22] <stas> like
[09:22] <graabein> x-chat
[09:23] <Arcane> Is there any command to install a package?
[09:23] <stas> caps-z to track back
[09:23] <Arcane> Not from apt-get?
[09:23] <riji> how to give a user right to a dir?
[09:23] <stas> caps-x to play
[09:23] <stas> etc
[09:23] <riji> sudo chmod ????
[09:23] <delire> Fazer_: ok there are two really useful commands for using network devices on linux. 'ifup' == interface up and 'ifdown' == interface down (or off)
[09:23] <delire> Fazer_: try 'ifup wlan0'
[09:23] <Fazer_> delire: Understood.
[09:23] <Fazer_> okay
[09:23] <dazed|class> sup all
[09:23] <vasi> The packages mplayer-powerpc and mplayer-g4 in multiverse are completely broken, there's no executable included. I have a five-line patch which fixes them...where should i send it?
[09:23] <Fazer_> delire: Should I sudo it?
[09:23] <Fazer_> I get permission denied
[09:23] <delire> yep
[09:24] <kent> riji, in the desktop, you can rightclick on folders and change it frome there..    (if its own by root, then sudo chmod..)
[09:24] <Fazer_> okay
[09:24] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches, good nitgh
[09:24] <Fazer_> it says Listening and sending stuff..
[09:24] <delire> good
[09:24] <Fazer_> still no blinking lights.
[09:24] <riji> yeah, but sudo chmod and what else :S
[09:24] <stas> how would I do that?
[09:24] <delire> Fazer_: you want to look for an "offer" from a DHCP server
[09:24] <stas> it was really simple in windows...
[09:25] <Fazer_> delire: "No DCHPFFERS received."
[09:25] <Arcane> Package install? Anyone?
[09:25] <Fazer_> "No workign leases in persisent database - sleeping."
[09:25] <e-type> stas: you mean controlling xmms with the keyboard when xmms doesn't have the focus?
[09:25] <delire> Fazer_: hmm.. ok. so now if you 'iwlist wlan0 scanning' do you see any access points at all?
[09:25] <Fazer_> Nopers
[09:25] <Fazer_> I would if probably my wlan card powers up.
[09:26] <Fazer_> doing 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' also does't do anything
[09:26] <jafar00> hi ubuntu people
[09:26] <delire> Fazer_: ok well it seems that your wlan card is installed and running fine however. are you sure the AP is on?
[09:26] <sklp> hi
[09:26] <Fazer_> delire: definitely./
[09:26] <jafar00> can anyone tell me if ubuntu ppc is any good for a rev d imac?
[09:26] <Fazer_> i am connected to the wifi router (this desktop)
[09:26] <kent> riji, sudo chmod o+r (i think that meens o=other, and r=read.  w=write, and x=write.)
[09:26] <Fazer_> and a while ago, the laptop was also connected to the wifi router via ethernet.
[09:27] <Fazer_> wifi lights are all blinking.
[09:27] <Arcane> Could anyone tell me how to install packages in terminal?
[09:27] <delire> Fazer_: hmm..
[09:27] <jafar00> i tried Mandrake and had trouble with installing the bootloader (yaboot) Does Ubuntu correctly install the bootloader?
[09:27] <delire> Fazer_: does iwconfig list wlan0?
[09:27] <stas> e-type,
[09:27] <Keizer> LMFAO: http://filebox.vt.edu/users/xmayox/5720322434.gif
[09:27] <stas> yes that's what I mean
[09:28] <Fazer_> delire: Yes
[09:28] <stas> particularly if I'm in a full-screen game or something
[09:28] <delire> Arcane: apt-cache search <keyword>, apt-get install <packagename>
[09:28] <Fazer_> IEEE 802.11g
[09:28] <Arcane> ... So you can use apt-get to install a package in the current directory? :\
[09:28] <Arcane> I can't use internet under Ubuntu yet.
[09:28] <delire> Arcane: it will isntall to it's proper place no matter where you invoke the command
[09:29] <Arcane> ... delire, can it install a package that is currently IN the directory?
[09:29] <e-type> stas: use keyboard shortcuts for commands like 'xmms --play'
[09:29] <Arcane> I don't CARE where it install, I wanna know if I can install it from the current directory.
[09:29] <jintxo> Arcane, you should probably do dpkg -i <package> for that
[09:29] <delire> Fazer_: ok.. and you see no listing of the AP with iwlist.. odd
[09:29] <e-type> stas: man xmms tells you all
[09:29] <Fazer_> delire: Yeah =(
[09:29] <delire> Arcane: dpkg -i <pacakge>
[09:29] <Arcane> Thank you. o_o
[09:30] <Arcane> Now I gotta restart etc. Brb, hopefully
[09:30] <delire> Fazer_: <thinks>
[09:30] <jafar00> PPC Ubuntu: Can anyone tell me if it correctly installs te bootloader?
[09:30] <delire> yes it should
[09:31] <stas> ok
[09:31] <stas> that's easy
[09:31] <stas> but
[09:31] <jafar00> delire: thanks. I hope so :)
[09:31] <delire> i've installed Ubuntu on 11 macs
[09:31] <Fazer_> delire: hehe, my ethernet wasn't working much either until crimsun told me some boot parameters.
[09:31] <stas> how do I set up the global shortcuts themselves?
[09:31] <delire> Fazer_: well this should be fine. do you see any errors with the tail command i gave earlier? plugging in it and taking it out..
[09:31] <Fazer_> delire: Nope...
[09:32] <Fazer_> i just see DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0
[09:32] <Fazer_> delire: Maybe i didn't install the driver properly?
[09:32] <jafar00> delire: Have you tried Mandrake on any of them? Did you have the same problem of the bootloader being stuffed up? Mandrake gave me a long command to type in at ofboot, but the abd keyboard on the Imac doesn't have the \ key. LOL
[09:32] <delire> Fazer_: using lspci, can you give me the full output/description of the card (in one line)?
[09:32] <PeteHello> dmesg shows me what hardware is configured right?  How would I check to see if my sound card is recognized?
[09:32] <delire> jafar00: i wouldn't go near mandrake, so no.
[09:33] <jafar00> lol :D
[09:33] <Fazer_> delire: Will do
[09:34] <Fazer_> Network Controler: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown Device 4325 (rev 02)
[09:34] <dantheman> ctrl-alt-backspace quit restarting X
[09:34] <dantheman> any idea how i can change it back?
[09:34] <Fazer_> delire: Network Controler: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown Device 4325 (rev 02)
[09:34] <delire> got it
[09:34] <delire> Fazer_: how did you install the driver?
[09:34] <delire> Fazer_: also.. which kernel version are you running?
[09:35] <Fazer_> delire: using Hoary
[09:35] <Slaven> you guys know of any way to get 3d apps maximizing on one head in a dual screen environment (and not stretching out between two)?
[09:35] <Fazer_> using 2.6.10
[09:35] <delire> ok
[09:35] <Fazer_> I installed it via ndiswrapper
[09:35] <delire> i'll look around. one moment.
[09:36] <Fazer_> sure
[09:37] <Fazer_> delire: I used this URL as a guide as well: http://tuxspot.blogspot.com/2005/02/microsoft-mn-720-driver-update.html
[09:37] <Fazer_> and the How to for broadcom on ubuntu forums
[09:37] <delire> Fazer_: hmm ok.. well i would check this page for more information. it looks like one person who had similar problems had it solved here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/41/2005/01/3/277527
[09:38] <Fazer_> oh, awesome.
[09:38] <delire> Fazer_: sorry i can't be of more help.. it seems to me that i can only go so far without having the card itself. i use a centrino ipw220 card for wifi.
[09:38] <Fazer_> delire: thanks though
[09:38] <delire> np
[09:39] <oxigen> hi all!
[09:39] <oxigen> hmm, if i run "xprop -root" does NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_WINDOW_ID render background?
[09:39] <guru3> delire: it just randomly started working
[09:39] <oxigen> is there a way to render root-tail on desktop?
[09:39] <delire> Slaven: it sounds like you are talking about 'xinerama'?
[09:40] <delire> guru3: did you change/try anything else?
[09:40] <Fazer_> delire: So, I think I will try another driver out.  Do you think I should remove the one I am using?
[09:40] <guru3> delire: i just put it back to the original file with the fbdev device and it magically worked
[09:40] <guru3> i can't explain it
[09:40] <delire> Fazer_: yes, definitely if you want to try another driver
[09:41] <delire> guru3: the clue will be in the differences between the two files then. you can always 'diff <file1> <file2> to see the differences
[09:41] <Fazer_> alright,t hanks.
[09:41] <delire> anytime
[09:41] <guru3> delire: just the device, all i changed
[09:42] <delire> guru3: well that's a big difference ;) what did you change it to?
[09:42] <delire> from/to
[09:42] <guru3> delire: it started out as fbdev
[09:42] <guru3> i just changed it back to that
[09:42] <jinx``> hi
[09:43] <jinx``> is cedega better than wine?`
[09:43] <raydogg_> google "cedega vs wine"
[09:43] <jinx``> :)
[09:43] <Echylo> it depends raydogg_
[09:43] <Echylo> to give a more usefull answer
[09:44] <Echylo> euhm
[09:44] <mjr> cedega's proprietary directx and copy protection support are more advanced to some extent
[09:44] <Echylo> jinx``
[09:44] <Echylo> raydogg_ if everyone had to google for a question In here, it would be empty around here
[09:44] <guru3> any ideas why python fails to configure?
[09:45] <Echylo> google "why does python fails configure" << raydogg_ style :)
[09:45] <Echylo> what did you do guru3 ?
[09:45] <guru3> Echylo: do? nothing
[09:45] <guru3> it's more like what it's _not_ doing
[09:45] <Monni> google "what's the address for google" ;)
[09:45] <dazed> i got a lockup :(*
[09:45] <Echylo> guru3, you probably installed it?
[09:45] <guru3> Echylo: sure, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <guru3> python is a dependency
[09:46] <Echylo> ok
[09:46] <guru3> just the configure of python fails
[09:46] <guru3> with a segfault of some sort
[09:46] <Echylo> hmm
[09:46] <guru3> in the compileall script
[09:46] <Echylo> you tried to install it through synaptic? python 2.4 ?
[09:47] <guru3> apt
[09:47] <guru3> thru apt
[09:47] <Echylo> well ok
[09:47] <guru3> i don't yet have a gui...
[09:47] <cikilin> hello
[09:47] <Echylo> oh ok
[09:47] <Echylo> hey cikilin
[09:47] <cikilin> hi
[09:47] <Echylo> well guru3 wouldn't know how to help you then
[09:47] <Echylo> sorry
[09:47] <guru3> i posted on the forums
[09:47] <guru3> i hope for the best :S
[09:48] <Echylo> :)
[09:48] <cikilin> what command is to find my Mac (Phisical Address):
[09:48] <Zomb> ifconfig
[09:48] <cikilin> and change it?
[09:48] <Zomb> if your driver likes that, yes
[09:48] <Zomb> don't forget to shut the iface down
[09:49] <cikilin> you know in xp i could do that
[09:49] <Zomb> as said, depends on the driver
[09:49] <Zomb> .oO( cheatter )
[09:49] <dazed> im bored :(
[09:49] <pestilence> Fazer_: any luck?
[09:49] <cikilin> k
[09:50] <cikilin> zomb how can i change it?
[09:51] <Echylo> dazed, play supertux
[09:51] <Echylo> :p
[09:51] <dazed> supertux?
[09:51] <mjr> Echylo, thanks for reminding
[09:51] <dazed> i need to get some nix games
[09:51] <mjr> there were some of the bonus levels still...
[09:51] <guru3> hmm, does anyone elses nautilus take 25%+ cpu?
[09:51] <Fazer_> pestilence: omg! hi!
[09:51] <Echylo> yes mjr
[09:51] <Echylo> you can make your own too btw
[09:51] <Fazer_> pestilence: well, I finally got the ethernet to work
[09:52] <Fazer_> had to pass some boot parameters
[09:52] <pestilence> Fazer_: cool
[09:52] <Echylo> dazed , supertux, super mario like
[09:52] <Echylo> but with tux
[09:52] <Fazer_> pestilence: now, I am trying to config. my wifi card
[09:52] <dazed> no way
[09:52] <dazed> thats amazing
[09:52] <Echylo> yea
[09:52] <dazed> i have to get it
[09:52] <Echylo> sudo apt-get install supertux
[09:52] <pestilence> Fazer_: so did you install?
[09:52] <dazed> tux is my favorite ever
[09:52] <pestilence> Fazer_: or still livecd
[09:52] <dazed> is tuxkart like mario kart?
[09:52] <Fazer_> pestilence: Still live cd
[09:52] <Echylo> I completed it btw
[09:52] <Echylo> 26 levels
[09:52] <Fazer_> if my wifi card works, then i will go with the install.
[09:52] <pestilence> Fazer_: you in it right now?
[09:52] <Fazer_> pestilence: I am on my desktop with the lappy right beside me
[09:53] <dazed> really?!? thats awesome
[09:53] <dantheman> if i ssh into another computer
[09:53] <Fazer_> so, anything you say, I can just tyype itu p.
[09:53] <dantheman> and i hit emacs afileontheothercomputer &
[09:53] <guru3> im starting to think that im trying to do too much at once on my system...
[09:53] <Fazer_> right now i have my wlan card plugged in, i can plug in my ethernet card and then I will be on the internet with my livecd.
[09:53] <dantheman> it gives me a "Suspended (tty output)"
[09:53] <dantheman> how can i actually see the file in emacs from the other computer
[09:53] <dantheman> ?
[09:54] <pestilence> Fazer_: so did you try installing ndiswrapper-utils?
[09:54] <guru3> holy FZK i had no idea that xforwarding was enabled when i launched synaptic in an ssh connection ><
[09:54] <guru3> well, i wondered what it was like but...
[09:54] <dantheman> i try gedit, and it says "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[09:54] <guru3> not how i wanted to find out ><
[09:54] <Fazer_> pestilence: Oh yes, I used that .deb from my usb drive =)
[09:54] <sklp> dazed, get apt-get install bsdgames and play snake, it owns :)
[09:55] <pestilence> Fazer_: so what seems to be the problem
[09:55] <Echylo> supertux!
[09:55] <Fazer_> pestilence: well, my wlan card just doesn't get on the network, not to mention, the lights don't blink/turn on
[09:55] <sklp> supertux is fine, tho... u finished it ? :)
[09:55] <sklp> i did
[09:55] <sklp> a long time ago
[09:55] <dazed> Echylo: is tuxkart like mariokart?
[09:56] <Echylo> sort of
[09:56] <Echylo> it's not that fun
[09:56] <delire_> pestilence: with iwlist wlan0 scanning he sees no AP, so he's not associating.
[09:56] <dazed> really?
[09:56] <dazed> super tux is better?
[09:56] <Fazer_> bah phone
[09:56] <pestilence> Fazer_: if there are no lights, then i would say ndiswrapper didn't work
[09:56] <dantheman> i need help using X over ssh
[09:56] <dantheman> can anyone help me?
[09:56] <Echylo> dazed try it!
[09:56] <useruser> dantheman: ssh -X
[09:56] <Echylo> Bonus Isle Castle level is pretty hard
[09:57] <delire_> dantheman: have you enables X Forwarding?
[09:57] <dazed> Echylo: im getting both right now im just debating which one to play first :)
[09:57] <Fazer_> pestilence: damn
[09:57] <delire_> s/enables/enabled
[09:57] <Fazer_> The other mn-720 user did it on his blog with SuSe 9.2
[09:57] <dazed> Echylo: are they full screen?
[09:57] <Echylo> jup
[09:57] <pestilence> Fazer_: what does ndiswrapper -l tell you?
[09:58] <Fazer_> pestilence: I just removed the driver, but it used to tell me that mn720-ankh driver present, hardware present
[09:58] <pestilence> Fazer_: strange.
[09:58] <Fazer_> very
[09:59] <dantheman> i used ssh -X, and it worked
[09:59] <dazed> Fazer_: you get eth0 to work?
[09:59] <Kishu> does linux work with 64k FAT32?
[09:59] <tommy> hi
[09:59] <sklp> supertux is a lot better than tux kart IMHO
[09:59] <Fazer_> dazed: yes!!
[09:59] <dazed> Fazer_: good good what was going on?
[10:00] <Echylo> wtfeck
[10:00] <Fazer_> dazed: I guess i was running with some broken hardware or something, i had to pass some boot parameters
[10:00] <Fazer_> like, noacpi and stuff like that
[10:00] <dazed> Fazer_: ahhh yeah i have to run that righ tnow
[10:00] <dazed> lol
[10:00] <Kishu> Does linux support 64k clusters with FAT32?
[10:00] <Fazer_> ah, hehe
[10:00] <dazed> Fazer_: or else i get lockups every 3 - 12 minutes
[10:00] <Fazer_> dazed: Ah, I see.
[10:01] <superted> I have done dpkg reconfigure locales and chose my correct layoyt, but I can't get norwegian characters in aterm, everything else works, any idea?
[10:02] <Fazer_> maybe I will try another driver or somethign I guess.
[10:02] <pestilence> Fazer_: so can you reinstall the mn720-ankh driver
[10:02] <Fazer_> pestilence: I did that twice =) same effect.
[10:02] <pestilence> Fazer_: and modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:02] <pestilence> Fazer_: and see what lspci tells you?
[10:02] <Fazer_> pestilence: yeah, i did the modprobe and what not.
[10:02] <pestilence> Fazer_: ok.
[10:02] <Fazer_> I also had to do a sed command.
[10:02] <pestilence> Fazer_: maybe it's the wrong driver then.
[10:03] <Fazer_> I then did sudo network-manager, I see the network card and what not
[10:03] <Fazer_> I guess it isn't seeing an acess point.
[10:03] <Fazer_> Yeah, seems strange.
[10:04] <guru3> i get this error launching gnome: "** (gnome-cups-icon:9462): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030"
[10:04] <pestilence> Fazer_: so iwconfig shows a card?
[10:04] <guru3> any ideas ne1?
[10:04] <Fazer_> pestilence: Yeah
[10:04] <Fazer_> It shows it as a Braodcom Corporation one.
[10:04] <TTT_Travis> does ubuntu run on old hardware ( Pentium 133Mhz with 80MB or ram)
[10:05] <djm62> 546 peeples? :)
[10:05] <pestilence> Fazer_: oh.
[10:06] <pestilence> Fazer_: so, my card won't do iwlist scanning either.
[10:06] <Fazer_> pestilence: What card do you have?
[10:06] <johns^> TTT_Travis: yep id does
[10:06] <johns^> it
[10:06] <pestilence> Fazer_: so you might not be totally out of luck.  did you try just setting the AP ESSID?
[10:06] <johns^> at least, warty does
[10:07] <Fazer_> pestilence: What do you mean AP ESSID?
[10:07] <pestilence> Fazer_: mine is a mini-pci card, installed by gateway
[10:07] <Fazer_> Hmm
[10:07] <dcraven> Fazer_, the Broadcom will scan.
[10:07] <Fazer_> dcraven: how do I set that?
[10:08] <Fazer_> but shouldn't it just pick up any wifi networks out there?
[10:08] <pestilence> Fazer_: you just say "iwconfig wlan0 essid MYESSID" where MYESSID is your essid.
[10:08] <dcraven> Fazer_, iwlist wlan0 scan
[10:08] <Fazer_> hmmm
[10:08] <Fazer_> let me install it again.
[10:08] <dcraven> Fazer_, are you using the ndiswrapper that came with the kernel? I had to compile version 1.1 before it would work.
[10:08] <Fazer_> dcraven: No, remember that .deb you found for me?
[10:09] <Fazer_> I am using that one.
[10:09] <dcraven> Fazer_, I found you a deb? From where?
[10:09] <Fazer_> oh wait, that was for pestilence not you, sorry
[10:09] <guru3> lol
[10:09] <dcraven> heh
[10:09] <pestilence> Fazer_: it was me that found the deb.  and it's in hoary, assuming you are using a hoary livecd
[10:09] <Fazer_> pestilence: correct, I am.
[10:09] <pestilence> Fazer_: i found it on an official repository
[10:09] <Fazer_> but, just to be sure, how shall I check the version?  ndiswrapper -v ?
[10:09] <dcraven> Fazer_, what kernel are you using?
[10:10] <Fazer_> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386
[10:10] <djm62> When I start my laptop up offline, it takes a while to check for the non-existent network connection...is there a recommended way to stop this?
[10:10] <pestilence> Fazer_: so, that version of ndiswrapper works with that kernel.
[10:10] <pestilence> Fazer_: i have a laptop that uses it right now.
[10:10] <Fazer_> pestilence: Alright, so, let me install it again.
[10:10] <dcraven> hmmm.. Mine's compiled for 686...
[10:11] <dcraven> pestilence, is yours a Broadcom?
[10:11] <pestilence> dcraven: he's using the ubuntu package, compiled for that kernel
[10:11] <ritalin> hello
[10:11] <pestilence> dcraven: no.
[10:11] <ritalin> Im in need of some assistance
[10:11] <ritalin> I was using synaptic and it crashed
[10:11] <ritalin> now whenever i try to install something i get this
[10:11] <dcraven> pestilence, okay. I'm just saying that the Ubuntu package didn't work for my Broadcom. If it'll work for him, then great.
[10:11] <pestilence> dcraven: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/ndiswrapper-utils
[10:11] <falkem_v4> do you know a good tool for making parts in HD? is parted the right answer?
[10:11] <ritalin> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[10:11] <ritalin>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release powerpc (20050407)'
[10:11] <ritalin> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[10:12] <dcraven> pestilence, yeah. But it no workie for me.
[10:12] <ritalin> you guys ever seen this?
[10:12] <pestilence> dcraven: ah.
[10:12] <djm62> falkem_v4: parted is good, or a graphical shell for parted
[10:12] <Fazer_> bah, strange, i see the .inf file right there but it says its not found.
[10:12] <ritalin> sudo apt-get update works but whenever I try to install something with either synaptic or apt-get i get that error
[10:13] <pestilence> Fazer_: you have a .sys file too?
[10:13] <dcraven> ritalin, is the CDROM source in your sources.list?
[10:13] <djm62> falkem_v4: bear in mind resizing mounted disks NOT recommended...you can boot from a parted floppy (or livecd with parted)
[10:13] <Fazer_> pestilence: yes
[10:13] <riji> how kan i give me all the dir.rights with sudo chmod? i can change the rights but i can't give me acces to them :S
[10:13] <Fazer_> oh wait, i was using the wrong command, heh.
[10:13] <Fazer_> okay, so its installed.
[10:13] <falkem_v4> where do I get such a graphical shell...thx for answering...I'm just a noob,yo know
[10:13] <Fazer_> It forces radio sates
[10:13] <falkem_v4> of course....
[10:13] <pestilence> Fazer_: do you know the essid for your wireless network?
[10:14] <Fazer_> pestilence: by that yu mean, the name?
[10:14] <djm62> falkem_v4: I think qparted is still current
[10:14] <pestilence> Fazer_: yes.  default is sometimes "linksys" :)
[10:14] <stas> thank you e-type
[10:14] <Fazer_> ah, mine is "Go Away"
[10:14] <dcraven> riji, directories need to be executable (x) for you to enter them. Is that what you mean?
[10:14] <ritalin> dcraven, you the man :)
[10:14] <stas> you have solved my questions perfectly!
[10:14] <stas> :)
[10:14] <stas> I have more though ;p
[10:14] <pestilence> Fazer_: i didn't know you could have spaces.
[10:14] <dcraven> ritalin, glad it worked.
[10:15] <riji> no i can enter them, but i can't add files to them och change them :S
[10:15] <Fazer_> pestilence: Yeah, strange, XP shows it as "Go Away"
[10:15] <Fazer_> withot the quotes ofcourse.
[10:15] <dcraven> riji, och?
[10:15] <ritalin> I guess i should stay clear of synaptic
[10:15] <Fazer_> alright, so, how shall i scan?
[10:15] <riji> opps
[10:15] <riji> och = and
[10:15] <Burgundavia> ritalin, why do you say that
[10:16] <pestilence> Fazer_: anyways.  you should try 'iwconfig wlan0 essid "Go Away" key off' assuming you are not using WEP
[10:16] <ritalin> It crashed on me and updated my sources.list
[10:16] <dcraven> ritalin, I've never seen it crash. Must be a fluke. It would be helpful if you could reproduce it.
[10:16] <riji> swedish :$
[10:16] <mainer> riji: edit permissions as rot and save
[10:16] <ritalin> well im on ppc
[10:16] <pestilence> Fazer_: and then iwconfig to see if it worked
[10:16] <ritalin> and was running kde at the time
[10:16] <ritalin> maybe that had something to do with it
[10:16] <mainer> or i should sau sudo su
[10:16] <dcraven> Oh.
[10:16] <ritalin> kubuntu
[10:16] <Fazer_> pestilence: Hmm, I am using WEP, so how shall I input it?
[10:17] <riji> well i can only do that with sudo chmod... but i can't/don't know how to give my account the rights
[10:17] <dcraven> ritalin, there is a kynaptic no?
[10:17] <pestilence> Fazer_: iwconfig wlan0 essid "Go Away" key open "YOURKEYGOESHERE"
[10:17] <delire> Fazer_: jesus you didn't say you were using WEP ;)
[10:17] <ritalin> dcraven, yes but it isnt as featureful
[10:17] <PeteHello> My sound doesnt work.  Can anyone start me off on some trouble shooting?
[10:17] <delire> hehe
[10:17] <Fazer_> delire: Lol, sorry!  I thought that owuld be default knowledge that you would be using WEP!
[10:17] <dcraven> riji, you can make your user the owner of the file/dir if you do "chown username:username foo".
[10:18] <delire> Fazer_: well i don't on my AP's WEP is fairly easy to crack. i use MAC addresses for security ;)
[10:18] <pestilence> Fazer_: also, scanning will not work if your AP doesn't broadcast it's essid
[10:18] <riji> that was what i was looking for
[10:18] <burgermann> lo :)
[10:18] <riji> thx
[10:18] <dcraven> riji, no problem.
[10:18] <LinuxJones> PeteHello, do you have a music file that you can try to play in rhythmbox, preferable a .ogg music file ?
[10:18] <delire> Fazer_: anyway, you weren't even seeing the AP so i guess it's a problem with ndiswrapper..
[10:18] <Fazer_> delire: Aah< isee.
[10:18] <burgermann> I need to copy my KDE session/profile onto another machine, any tricks as to how I do that?
[10:19] <Fazer_> pestilence: Yeah, so, I did that, and i did iwconfig
[10:19] <Fazer_> still nothingl.
[10:19] <Fazer_> *nothing
[10:19] <dcraven> Fazer_, if you get that stock module to work, please let me know.
[10:19] <Fazer_> dcraven: Stock module?
[10:19] <pestilence> Fazer_: what do you mean by nothing
[10:19] <Fazer_> pestilence: As in no change in iwconfig
[10:19] <dcraven> Fazer_, the stock ndiswrapper module.
[10:19] <Fazer_> dcraven: Ah okay.
[10:19] <dcraven> Fazer_, the one you're workin' on right now with pestilence .
[10:19] <Cred> Hello. Could someone here try to help me out with Hauppauge WinTV DVB-T, I don't seem to get it to work.
[10:20] <Fazer_> dcraven: Yeah, gotcha.
[10:20] <Fazer_> Btw, the channel that I am broadcasting it on is 6
[10:20] <dcraven> Fazer_, is it a BCM4306 chipset?
[10:20] <pestilence> Fazer_: it shows 44:44:44:44:44... as the AP?
[10:20] <Fazer_> pestilence: No, its a bunch of OOs
[10:20] <Fazer_> 00:00:00:00:00:00
[10:20] <PeteHello> LinuxJones, I have mp3's that I can get off my NTFS partition, and some MPC's.  No .ogg files
[10:20] <Fazer_> dcraven: NOt sure, how shall I check?
[10:20] <dcraven> Fazer_, lspci
[10:20] <Fazer_> dcraven: yeah that just occured to me.
[10:21] <pestilence> Fazer_: when you entered the key, did you enter a passphrase, or the hexidecimal key?
[10:21] <LinuxJones> PeteHello, ok you will have to search the website for "restricted formats" it will tell you how to get mp3 playback capabilities.
[10:21] <Fazer_> pestilence: passprhase, shit, so I should prefix it with s: ?
[10:21] <PeteHello> I have xmms installed, does it come with mp3 playback?
[10:21] <pestilence> Fazer_: yep.
[10:21] <dcraven> I'd suggest disabling WEP until you get it connecting.
[10:22] <dcraven> But that's just me :)
[10:22] <Fazer_> hmm, i did that whole iwconfig wlan0 esside "Go Away" key open "s:BALHBLAH"
[10:22] <Xgates> this seems odd on my box if I kill 'hotplug' then at bootup I get this message --> *ror* Temporay name resolution failure
[10:22] <mainer> burgerman: hidden file in/home .kde copy it to wherever ,a floppy,cd-rw etc or just e-mail,or ftp to other machine
[10:22] <Fazer_> still, the access point is 00:00:00:00:00:00
[10:22] <LinuxJones> PeteHello, no check here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:22] <burgermann> does anyone know how to copy a user profile in KDE onto another pc?
[10:22] <burgermann> oh
[10:22] <Xgates> I mean what the heck does hotplug have to do with name resolution in Ubuntu
[10:22] <Xgates> LOL
[10:22] <burgermann> mainer, thx :)
[10:22] <Fazer_> dcraven: Heh, not sure...I think I might..
[10:23] <mainer> n.p.
[10:23] <Fazer_> dcraven: Btw, lspci shows "Network COntroller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown Device 4325"
[10:23] <Fazer_> pestilence: I didn't do the "sed" commands from that howto you sent me yesterday
[10:23] <dcraven> Fazer_, that's not reassuring.
[10:23] <Fazer_> dcraven: What, the lspci or the sed command ?
[10:24] <jgeorgeson> anyone know to debug "Configuring Network Interfaces" taking over a minute when 'lo' is the only interface set to 'auto' in /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:24] <dcraven> Fazer_, lspci... hehe
[10:24] <Fazer_> dcraven: aah
[10:24] <Fazer_> then I guess its the driver.
[10:24] <dcraven> Fazer_, I'll leave you guys alone and stop interrupting now.
[10:24] <Fazer_> dcraven: Its alright, I don't mind =/
[10:24] <dcraven> Fazer_, pestilence might :)
[10:24] <delire> jgeorgeson: odd
[10:24] <pestilence> Fazer_: i don't know if the sed stuff was neccessary
[10:24] <pestilence> dcraven: no worries
[10:24] <dcraven> heh
[10:24] <delire> jgeorgeson: ifconfig gives you no other used interfaces?
[10:25] <Marble2> how do I get the XScreenSaver daemon to stay running, once I start it, lock my screen, and unlock it, it stops running
[10:25] <Marble2> any ideas?
[10:25] <Fazer_> pestilence: well, i did try it earlier on, still no luck though
[10:25] <dcraven> jgeorgeson, I get the same.. Takes forever to boot. Low priority though I suppose here.
[10:26] <burgermann> would anyone know a KDE application that synchronizes with sony ericsson phones?
[10:26] <kent> Marble2, have you filed a bug about it in bugzilla.ubuntu.org?
[10:26] <Fazer_> hmmm...
[10:26] <delire> dcraven: so does a '/etc/init.d/networking restart' also take a long time on 'lo'?
[10:26] <Fazer_> i think I will tryt his:
[10:26] <Fazer_> http://nicolas.bonifas.free.fr/inspiron/bcmwl5.inf
[10:26] <Marble2> kent: no
[10:26] <Fazer_> instead of the .inf i already have
[10:27] <dcraven> burgermann, I don't know, but you may have better luck asking that in #kubuntu.
[10:27] <astro76> burgermann: I have no idea what it supports, but there's http://kandy.kde.org/
[10:27] <delire> burgermann: http://google.com/linux
[10:27] <thully> does anyone know how I would sort a directory full of MP3s into directories based on their tags?  iTunes does this on Windows, but rhythmbox doesn't on Linux.
[10:27] <dcraven> delire, I dunno. I've never done that.
[10:27] <pestilence> Fazer_: worth a shot, what's it gonna hurt :)
[10:27] <delire> thully: gtkpod.sf.net
[10:27] <pestilence> Fazer_: i still think the lights should come on when you modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:27] <Fazer_> hehe yeah
[10:28] <Fazer_> pestilence: That's what i was thinking too!
[10:28] <Fazer_> I was like "Comon, blink already!"
[10:28] <thully> I use gtkpod - but that's just to transfer mp3s to an iPod - I want to sort them into directories so it's easier to just add 1 album, for instance, to my sync list
[10:29] <delire> thully: 'apt-cache search id3 tag' and se what you come up with. an 'apt-cache show <name>' will give you a summary
[10:29] <dcraven> delire, I just did /etc/init.d/networking restart now and it only took ~5 seconds.
[10:29] <kent> Marble2, filing a bug about it is a good way to make sure you will get some response.  Sometimes the people on irc cant help :(
[10:29] <Fazer_> http://nicolas.bonifas.free.fr/inspiron/bcmwl5.inf
[10:29] <ubuntu> thanks
[10:29] <Marble2> k
[10:29] <delire> dcraven: well that makes little sense!
[10:30] <jgeorgeson> delire, I have eth0 (onboard ethernet) and eth1 (pcmcia wifi), but neither are set to auto as I rarely have an ethernet cable plugged in and the wifi isn't loaded until pcmcia comes online later
[10:31] <xukun> tried everything but I my screen is broken after installing the nvidia driver. please this photo,s to see what I mean: http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~ahassan/photo/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=0
[10:31] <dcraven> delire, actually it might... I haven't rebooted since I commented out "auto eth0" in /etc/networking/interfaces... haha. I just took a quick stab at a solution this morning but never tested it.
[10:31] <pestilence> Fazer_: you might also try changing "open" to "restricted"
[10:31] <pestilence> Fazer_: in the iwconfig command
[10:32] <delire> jgeorgeson: what happens if you 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'?
[10:32] <Fazer_> oh, so its just a parameter?
[10:32] <jgeorgeson> delire, the only thing i can think of is the hotplug stuff in /etc/network/interfaces, which has a 'map eth0' line I think. not at my ubuntu machine right now
[10:32] <delire> jgeorgeson: does it sit on 'lo' for 5 minutes?
[10:32] <delire> jgeorgeson: right.. could be it yes.
[10:32] <pestilence> Fazer_: also, this leads me to believe that you will be successful if you stick to it long enough
[10:32] <Arcane> ... dhcp3 keeps telling me my subnet mask or whatever isn't correst.
[10:32] <pestilence> Fazer_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2100
[10:32] <Arcane> Correct.
[10:32] <pestilence> Fazer_: look at the output from lspci at the bottom...matches yours
[10:32] <jgeorgeson> delire, it doesn't mention specific interfaces. the line is just "Configuring Network Interfaces"
[10:32] <Fazer_> hmmm
[10:32] <LinuxJones> PeteHello, I am going afk for about an hour
[10:33] <djm62> jgeorg: I have the same thing
[10:33] <djm62> not the end of the world, but I wouldn't mind a solution
[10:33] <Fazer_> pestilence: yes yes it does!
[10:33] <jgeorgeson> delire,  what docs would I check to see what the hotplug stuff is actually doing?
[10:34] <PeteHello> LinuxJones, ok, thanks.  I'm reading up on that website.
[10:34] <pestilence> Fazer_: and if you search for "MicroSuck" on this page: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List
[10:34] <pestilence> Fazer_: you will see that somebody has it working :)
[10:34] <Fazer_> haha
[10:34] <delire> jgeorgeson: i would look in the hotplug service script first /etc/init.d/hotplug
[10:34] <Fazer_> yeah, i saw that a while ago!
[10:34] <djm62> jgeorgeson: if you mostly always use wifi, you could shift the order in /etc/rc2.d/ so that pcmcia comes up first
[10:34] <pestilence> Fazer_: so, try this one:  http://ankhcraft.com/drivers/mn720-ankh.zip
[10:34] <delire> jgeorgeson: then examine any one of the files listed in the hotplug manpage.
[10:35] <sherdog> Hi all
[10:35] <sherdog> Is Ubunto install more or less the same as debian?
[10:35] <jgeorgeson> djm62, yeah, but it shouldn't be configuring interfaces that aren't marked auto, and it seems like it is
[10:35] <pestilence> sherdog: more or less.  it generally asks far less questions
[10:36] <Fazer_> pestilence: haha yeah,t hats the first thing I tried
[10:36] <^thehatsrule^> bah
[10:36] <Fazer_> that was the original one I was using.
[10:36] <sherdog> pestilence Thx.. Looking forward to it
[10:36] <queuetue> How would you guys do fax-merges, if you had to?
[10:36] <sherdog> Have anyone tried install in VMware yet?
[10:36] <Fazer_> pestilence: i think itm ight be because of the boot parameters I have to the LiveCD?
[10:36] <pestilence> Fazer_: what boot parameters are you passing?
[10:36] <Fazer_> pestilence: Hmm, I forgot, do you know how I can check?
[10:37] <Legirons> can anyone tell me the default user password for kubuntu liveCD?
[10:37] <dcraven> sherdog, if you just want to play, maybe check out the LiveCD?
[10:37] <Fazer_> I think there's a command for it.
[10:37] <Riddell> Legirons: there isn't one
[10:37] <Legirons> blank?
[10:37] <pestilence> Fazer_: don't know.
[10:37] <Fazer_> hmm, hold, i wrote it down on my PDA
[10:37] <dcraven> Fazer_, cat /proc/cmdline
[10:37] <Fazer_> aah there we go
[10:37] <Fazer_> thanks dcraven
[10:37] <sherdog> dcraven And keep windoze? Hehe, no way!
[10:37] <dcraven> Sure.
[10:38] <delire> jgeorgeson: sadly hotplug itself isn't very rich in output. you may be best off looking at dmesg, ot even 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' when you restart the network services
[10:38] <Arcane> What's an NTP server. :\
[10:38] <dcraven> sherdog, wouldn't you be keeping Windows if you used VMWare?
[10:38] <sherdog> Hehe, Its the install I need to test first.. :)
[10:38] <dcraven> sherdog, I see.
[10:38] <Fazer_> pestilence: I gave it "noapic nolapic pci=noacpi"
[10:39] <omeg> I'm using warty. It seems that I can't change anything in the screen options apart from refresh rate and resolution. Is this fixed in the latest release?
[10:39] <dcraven> Arcane, it's a server that disperses the time and data.
[10:39] <Fazer_> pestilence: Hmm...you wouldn't believe this.
[10:39] <Fazer_> I removed the wifi card from the slot, put it on the slot above it
[10:39] <Fazer_> and type in lspci
[10:39] <Fazer_> it gives some other crap shit
[10:39] <Fazer_> like the model number!
[10:39] <pestilence> Fazer_: there's an easy way to tell.  reboot without those parameters :)
[10:40] <delire> hehe weird
[10:40] <Fazer_> pestilence: If i do, then i can't use ethernet or usb!
[10:40] <djm62> jgeorgeson: if the lo section right?
[10:40] <delire> Fazer_: try looking for an AP with the card in the top slot
[10:40] <Arcane> Ah. I gotta reboot AGAIN.
[10:40] <Fazer_> delire: Damn, i do iwconfig and I don't see wlan0 anywhere.
[10:40] <dcraven> Arcane, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol
[10:40] <jgeorgeson> djm62, ?
[10:41] <delire> Fazer_: ifup wlan0
[10:41] <Fazer_> the hel..
[10:41] <Fazer_> "No such device"
[10:41] <dcraven> These ex-Windows people.. Always rebootin'.
[10:41] <Bazzi> heh
[10:42] <delire> Fazer_: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[10:42] <pestilence> Fazer_: lsmod |grep ndiswrapper
[10:42] <djm62> jgeorgeson: I'm baffled, assuming my script is identical to yours
[10:42] <pestilence> Fazer_: perhaps rmmod ndiswrapper and then modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:42] <omeg> It seems that I can't change anything in the screen options apart from refresh rate and resolution in Warty. Is this fixed in the latest release?
[10:42] <delire> Fazer_L plug and unplug... hey i'll leave you too it pestilence/Fazer (i don't have the same card..)
[10:42] <pune> hey can someone help me I'm trying to configure my wireless card
[10:42] <onno> How do you send something to device NULL or the black hole
[10:43] <dcraven> omeg, what else is there?
[10:43] <delire> cat file /dev/null
[10:43] <Fazer_> bahthe hell...
[10:43] <onno> when you type command line and want the output in device null
[10:43] <delire> cat file > /dev/null
[10:43] <Fazer_> delire: I plug it back in to the first slot, it still says no such device.
[10:43] <delire> i meant to say... ;)
[10:43] <onno> ok
[10:43] <onno> so anycommand > /dev/null
[10:43] <jgeorgeson> djm62, i just didn't understand you question about lo. I have 'auto lo' in my /etc/network/interfaces but that's the loopback so it shouldn't take any time to configure
[10:43] <djm62> onno: yeah
[10:43] <delire> sure
[10:43] <onno> ok thanxs poeple
[10:43] <Fazer_> pestilence: when I put it on the other slot, it says that the driver is present but the hardware isn't there.
[10:43] <Fazer_> so shall I re-install the drivers?
[10:43] <omeg> [22:43]  <dcraven> omeg, what else is there? <-- in the version I'm using, apparently Warty (4, I believe), I can only set pre-defined resolutions + refresh rate. And that's it.
[10:44] <delire> Fazer_: i really think your ndiswrapper is totally screwy. what if you load|unload the wrapper??
[10:44] <pestilence> Fazer_: did you try rmmod ndisrapper and then modprobe ndiswrapper?
[10:44] <pestilence> what he said.
[10:44] <djm62> jgeorgeson: and if that's the only auto option, the only reason for delay would be 'wrong lo config' (which I know is crazy)
[10:44] <omeg> I mean, Ubuntu defaults to 24-bit apparently, and I can't even set it to 32-bit in Gnome
[10:45] <Fazer_> pestilence: wait, when I did lsmod , it says ndiswrapper         10904   0
[10:45] <Fazer_> * 109044
[10:45] <Fazer_> but yeah, let me try that
[10:45] <delire> omeg: there is no '32 bit'. it's a marketing fake
[10:45] <restrex> is 24 the same as 32 bit? I think it's
[10:45] <jgeorgeson> djm62, ah. i suppose you're right, but lo should have a correct configuration out of the box
[10:45] <dcraven> fakers.
[10:45] <webtoe> omeg: 24bit is 32bit, the extra bits aren't meaning anything
[10:45] <delire> restrex: yes..
[10:45] <djm62> jgeorgeson: what do you have in pcmcia and what's pci?
[10:45] <delire> the extra 8 bits are marketing fuzz
[10:46] <Fazer_> pestilence: I tried that, still nothing.
[10:46] <restrex> jeje
[10:46] <Fazer_> should re-install the drivers?
[10:46] <omeg> But still. What if I need to set it to 8-bit or 16-bit?
[10:46] <jgeorgeson> my wifi card is pcmcia (i have a linksys wpc11v3 and a cisco aironet 340). the ethernet is onboard rather than mini-pci
[10:46] <omeg> I'd have to edit the config.
[10:46] <jgeorgeson> neither are marked auto
[10:46] <pestilence> Fazer_: bummer.  i gotta work now, you'll figure it out eventually :)
[10:46] <pune> hey I'm trying to configure my wireless card
[10:47] <omeg> My point is that the resolution options panel in Warty is limited to just pre-defined resolutions and refresh rate.
[10:47] <webtoe> Fazer_: do you see your card listed at all with /sbin/lspci -v
[10:47] <delire> omeg: well do it. 24bit is as good as it gets. a gazillion colours ;)
[10:47] <Fazer_> pestilence:Ah, thanks a lot for your help man.
[10:47] <Fazer_> webtoe: Hmm, let me try that out
[10:47] <dcraven> omeg, to answer your question, it has not changed in Hoary.
[10:47] <pune> however, it won't configure right
[10:47] <omeg> Hmm.
[10:47] <omeg> I see.
[10:47] <restrex> omeg you can configure with mayors resolutions by configuring your x server: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:47] <GhostFreeman> guys
[10:47] <Fazer_> webtoe: yes, I do, at the bottom.
[10:47] <omeg> I personally find that a little lacking. But I guess developers have other priorities.
[10:47] <Fazer_> i also see this beneeath it
[10:48] <Fazer_> webtoe: "!!! Unknown header type 7f"
[10:48] <GhostFreeman> Under GPL, can I distribute a program's documentation under another license, such as Creative Commons?
[10:48] <delire> omeg: if you so as restrex wisely suggests, make sure you back up your original config
[10:48] <webtoe> ok, and you have the windows 2000 driver for your card? and the ndiswrapper ?
[10:48] <dcraven> omeg, patches welcome =P
[10:48] <SeamusLP> pune:  Whats wrong with it?
[10:48] <Fazer_> webtoe: yeap.
[10:48] <dcraven> omeg, don't you hate it when people say that? ahah
[10:48] <webtoe> and do you have the kernel headers installed?
[10:48] <omeg> =)
[10:48] <dcraven> True though.
[10:48] <pune> SeamusLP, well, it seems to have the driver installed but the lights aren't turning on
[10:49] <Fazer_> webtoe: how do I check that? i am on the livecd just so you know.
[10:49] <dcraven> Fazer_ almost makes me want to get back to finishing my ndiswrapper howto...
[10:49] <delire> pune: what card?
[10:49] <Fazer_> dcraven: Hehe, that might be helpful to thers.
[10:49] <webtoe> Fazer_:  are you using ndiswrapper from the livecd? or is it downloaded of the ndis wrapper website?
[10:49] <jinx``> what to do when a umount /cdrom fails ?
[10:49] <Fazer_> webtoe: No, I installed it from the deb.
[10:49] <delire> jinx`` umount -l
[10:49] <pune> SeamusLP,  dell truemobile 1310
[10:50] <Fazer_> pesti_away said himself that it is fine.
[10:50] <delire> pune meet Fazer_
[10:50] <djm62> jinx``: or lsof | grep cdrom
[10:50] <onno> thxs love you guys
[10:50] <mcphail> jinx``: eject
[10:50] <Fazer_> hehe
[10:50] <djm62> jinx``: to see what processes are accessing it, and kill them
[10:50] <delire> jinx``: make sure you're not 'in' the /cdrom directory at the time.. ;)
[10:50] <pune> delire, what's Fazer
[10:50] <Fazer_> HI
[10:50] <omeg> Also, Warty didn't support my TFT's native resolution when I installed it. 1920x1200.
[10:50] <dcraven> jintxo, or try "umount /media/cdrom" since that is where it likely is.
[10:50] <delire> pune a person with the same problem as you i suspect.
[10:51] <omeg> I edited the config file and added it, but it still didn't show up even after a cold reboot.
[10:51] <mcphail> jinx``: honestly - just type eject
[10:51] <pune> delire, lol, oh, sorry
[10:51] <delire> np ;)
[10:51] <omeg> Is that fixed in the latest release?
[10:51] <Fazer_> pune: what card you using?
[10:51] <pune> Fazer_, a Dell truemobile 1310
[10:51] <dcraven> omeg, added what?
[10:51] <webtoe> Fazer_: let me have a quick look at the docs and remind myself how to use ndiswrapper
[10:51] <webtoe> its been awhile
[10:51] <Fazer_> webtoe: Sure.
[10:51] <omeg> dcraven: support for 1920x1200.
[10:51] <Fazer_> pune: Hmm, what driver are you using?
[10:51] <pune> Fazer_, all drivers seem to be installed correctly but the lights won't turn on
[10:51] <raydogg_> omeg, i had that issue too
[10:51] <dcraven> Oh my.
[10:51] <Fazer_> bcmwl5.inf ?
[10:51] <djm62> jgeorgeson: I get slightly annoyed by the same kind of thing...but not yet annoyed enough to solve it, because it's only occasional (sorry)
[10:52] <omeg> It wasn't an option when installing--but even after editing the config file, it just didn't show up.
[10:52] <pune> Fazer_, bcmlw5a.inf
[10:52] <omeg> This is Warty I'm talking about.
[10:52] <pune> Fazer_, I think
[10:52] <Fazer_> pune: that is what I am using as well.
[10:52] <Fazer_> pune: type this: sudo ndiswrapper -l
[10:52] <Fazer_> that will list the installed drivers that you havel
[10:52] <SeamusLP> pune, fazer:  You guys are using dell laptops I take it?
[10:52] <jgeorgeson> djm62, well, i figure since i won't get acpi to work i may as well get this thing taken care of
[10:52] <Fazer_> SeamusLP: No, I am using a Thinkpad 600e With a wlan card.
[10:52] <mjr> omeg, I'm still skeptical that it's a vesa mode
[10:52] <delire> jgeorgeson: what machine are you using?
[10:53] <pune> Fazer_, ok, yeah and it says it's installed as well as hardware present
[10:53] <omeg> Hmm.
[10:53] <omeg> vesa is my driver
[10:53] <pune> SeamusLP, yeah
[10:53] <omeg> I used ati before
[10:53] <dcraven> omeg, are the VertRefresh and HorizSync settings acurate in your config for your monitor?
[10:53] <Fazer_> pune: Hmm...what do you get when you type in lspci
[10:53] <webtoe> Fazer_: have you installed the windows drivers with ndiswrapper -i /path/to/drivers
[10:53] <omeg> But it didn't work
[10:53] <Fazer_> webtoe: Yeap.
[10:53] <omeg> I had to edit the config just to change it to vesa
[10:53] <ubuntugeek> ubuntuforums will be right back.. switching servers incase anyone is wondering..
[10:53] <webtoe> k
[10:53] <SeamusLP> pune:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsDell   see if there's any info on your model
[10:53] <jgeorgeson> a dell inspiron 2600 w\ i830m graphics chip
[10:53] <alexwillmer> evening all, this should be a simple query. I wish to grep for lines matching regexp1 or regexp2 but I'm getting the wrong syntax. What is the correct form of this command:
[10:53] <omeg> [22:53]  <dcraven> omeg, are the VertRefresh and HorizSync settings acurate in your config for your monitor? <-- How do you mean?
[10:53] <omeg> Like, hardware?
[10:53] <pune> SeamusLP, 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[10:54] <webtoe> Fazer_: and it says that the driver is loaded properly etc when you use ndiswrapper -l?
[10:54] <alexwillmer> cat /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/.config | grep -e '(CONFIG_NET)|(CONFIG_CRYPTO)'
[10:54] <jinx``> no process is accessing the cdrom
[10:54] <jinx``> but i cannot open it :(
[10:54] <mcphail> pune: I've had the same problem. Driver and hardware installed but no power to LEDs. Never found a way round it...
[10:54] <mcphail> jinx``: type eject
[10:54] <jgeorgeson> alexwillmer, grep -e regexp1 -e regexp2
[10:54] <pune> SeamusLP, that's what I get, I need some drivers specific to my laptop too?
[10:54] <delire> jgeorgeson: and acpi is not functioning eg battery or temp in /proc/acpi/.. are giving poor, or no results?
[10:54] <dcraven> omeg, in you /etc/X11/XF86Config file, there should be lines for VertRefresh and HorizSync. Do the values in there agree with your monitor specs?
[10:54] <ubuntu> hey,i`ve just installed ubuntu on my laptop but i cant make my wireless work;what sould i put to the WEP key?
[10:54] <snedex> lo
[10:54] <Fazer_> webtoe: Yeah.
[10:54] <jinx``> doesn't work
[10:54] <omeg> I have a Dell Inspiron 9100 which natively supports 1920x1200--it's on a ATi Mobility Radeon 9800. So I figured the ati driver would be the way to go, but it just didn't work. I manually switched to vesa then.
[10:54] <Fazer_> webtoe  the driver and the hardware are both present
[10:54] <pune> mcphail, really? well funny thing is I've gotten this card to work on warty
[10:54] <Fazer_> pune: haha, really?
[10:54] <webtoe> Fazer_: hmmmmmm
[10:54] <omeg> [22:54]  <dcraven> omeg, in you /etc/X11/XF86Config file, there should be lines for VertRefresh and HorizSync. Do the values in there agree with your monitor specs? <-- I should look that up.
[10:54] <Fazer_> warty? Warty doesnt' even boot up on my thinkpad.
[10:55] <omeg> But shouldn't the option for the resolution show up anyway, especially since I manually added them to that same config file
[10:55] <omeg> ?
[10:55] <pune> mcphail, I started from scratch with Hoary, which was a mistake, I wanted to see if I could do it on my own
[10:55] <jgeorgeson> delire, suspend modes. haven't messed with s3d yet, video doesn't come back on resume from s2m (have tried vbetool post and videopost)
[10:55] <mcphail> pune: I'm still using warty. Never worked for me with ndiswrapper
[10:55] <pune> mcphail, it still doesn't work for you?
[10:55] <Agape> Uoo pea ubuntu XD
[10:55] <pune> Fazer_, yeah
[10:55] <mcphail> nope
[10:55] <mjr> omeg, I'd recommend first upgrading to hoary and seeing if the ati driver works there
[10:55] <alexwillmer> jgeorgeson, thankyou, I read the man page as that only matching lines where both regexps were found.
[10:55] <Fulg> hey,i`ve just installed ubuntu on my laptop but i cant make my wireless work;what sould i put to the WEP key?
[10:55] <dcraven> omeg, not if Xfree want's to spare your hardware from a small fire.
[10:55] <omeg> Okay. I'll try that.
[10:56] <djm62> What is a good wireless config tool for gnome?
[10:56] <Fazer_> pune: what do you get when you type in "iwconfig" ?
[10:56] <jgeorgeson> alexwillmer, pretty sure it does an OR on them
[10:56] <Agape> aarrg depre tos ingleses ... i'm really poor
[10:56] <omeg> mjr: can I upgrade to Hoary in Warty itself?
[10:56] <omeg> Or do I have to redownload + reinstall?
[10:56] <delire> jgeorgeson: it can become particularly boring sadly. these proprietary acpi bioses have to be practically reverse engineered before they can be understood. i would look at the debian-laptop-list as nearly every answer can be found there.
[10:56] <snedex> i wonder if someone could throw some ideas at me, im having trouble installing ubuntu, i get the message <0> kernel panic, unable to sync: attempted to kill init, any ideas ?
[10:56] <alexwillmer> jgeorgeson, it does, I was just commenting on my dumbness :)
[10:56] <dcraven> djm62, network-admin
[10:56] <delire> jgeorgeson: the list is fairly rigorous in the solving of such problems.
[10:57] <Fulgulescu> hey,i`ve just installed ubuntu on my laptop but i cant make my wireless work;what sould i put to the WEP key?
[10:57] <jgeorgeson> djm62, NetworkMonitor can be pretty nice if your card's driver can scan. but i find dns is slow using it
[10:57] <mjr> omeg, I gave you the url to upgrade instructions earlier
[10:57] <pune> Fazer_, IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
[10:57] <pune>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00
[10:57] <pune>           Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:25 dBm
[10:57] <pune>           RTS thr:2347 B   Fragment thr:2346 B
[10:57] <pune>           Encryption key:off
[10:57] <pune>           Power Management:off
[10:57] <pune>           Link Quality:100/100  Signal level:-10 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm
[10:57] <pune>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[10:57] <pune>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[10:57] <SeamusLP> pune: jesus dude
[10:57] <mjr> omeg, to repeat, see the relevant links at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[10:57] <Fazer_> pune: ooh, no spamming =(
[10:57] <SeamusLP> pune: #flood
[10:57] <delire> alexwillmer: i think that's a fairly natural way to wite it though..
[10:57] <omeg> Thanks again.
[10:57] <omeg> Strange, I must have missed that.
[10:57] <jgeorgeson> delire, my experience has been nobody on acpi-devel ever respond's to any question no matter how i phrase it. and i've been trying with multiple versions of multiple distro's for a year or so
[10:57] <delire> alexwillmer: less efficient albeit ;)
[10:57] <Fazer_> pune: haha yeah, thats pretty much the same case here!
[10:58] <djm62> cheers....I'm happy enough with iwconfig, but it's the only time I still need to use the console...aesthetically displeasing
[10:58] <pune> Fazer_, ok, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
[10:58] <snedex> exit
[10:58] <alexwillmer> delire, what, my way? it made sense as i interpreted 'man grep' but no joy, jgeorgeson's worked fine
[10:58] <mcphail> pune: what did you do to get it working in warty?
[10:58] <Fazer_> pune: well, the good thing is we are/were on the same boat =(
[10:59] <delire> jgeorgeson: hmm. they are busy and stressed. one by one the laptop vendors are complying, but many still need severe groundwork in this area. i would look in the list i mentioned above.
[10:59] <Fazer_> and the bad thing is, we are pretty much stuck so far since we are both on different types of machines.
[10:59] <Fulgulescu> hey,i`ve just installed ubuntu on my laptop but i cant make my wireless work;what sould i put to the WEP key?
[10:59] <thanatosys> hello everyone
[10:59] <delire> alexwillmer: yes, but there's nothing wrong with a pipe. you just used grep badly ;)
[10:59] <djm62> Fulgulescu: you sound familiar
[10:59] <pune> mcphail, well, see I had a linux guru do it for me and I didn't watch him exactly so I don't remember everything
[10:59] <Fulgulescu> maybe :D
[10:59] <Fulgulescu> but can u help?
[10:59] <pune> mcphail, however, i'm following the instructions on the ndiswrapper page
[10:59] <mcphail> pune: aah...
[11:00] <thanatosys> have you tried man ndiswrapper?>
[11:00] <Oppossum> hi all
[11:00] <mcphail> pune: at least it fills me with hope that wirless is possible
[11:00] <thanatosys> hello
[11:00] <jgeorgeson> delire, heh. guess i didn't read your whole comment the first time. will check out that list (i have actually already rewritten the DSDT, maybe I did a crap job of it though)
[11:00] <djm62> Fulgulescu: menu System->Administration->Networking
[11:00] <Fulgulescu> yes
[11:00] <pune> mcphail, lol
[11:00] <Oppossum> can someone tell me what's happenned with totem and its audio codecs in hoary???
[11:00] <Oppossum> can someone tell me what's happenning with totem and its audio codecs in hoary???
[11:01] <thanatosys> does anyone know if a real book like print and paper is being planned for ubuntu?
[11:01] <Fulgulescu> i made that
[11:01] <vessuvius81> What's the deal with Latex2e on ubuntu? I'm shocked its not standard, and I don't even see it in the apt repos
[11:01] <jgeorgeson> Oppossum, which codecs?
[11:01] <webtoe> Oppossum: what's wrong with them>
[11:01] <webtoe> ?
[11:01] <punkrockguy318> I have a large collection of jpegs that are very large in file size.  I would to compress these to a reasonable size.  How can I do this quickly, on all my pictures?
[11:01] <pune> mcphail, what really would have helped is if he showed me how, he just kind of did it
[11:01] <Fulgulescu> the essid is mitzawlan
[11:01] <djm62> vessuvius81: you are searching for tetex?
[11:01] <vessuvius81> latex
[11:01] <Fulgulescu> but whats the wep eky
[11:01] <mjr> vessuvius81, tetex-bin
[11:01] <Fulgulescu> wep key?
[11:01] <mcphail> pune: you give a man a fish... etc etc
[11:02] <thanatosys> tar -cvf youpics.tar yourfilenamerhere.
[11:02] <thanatosys> that will create a tar archive
[11:02] <jgeorgeson> Fulgulescu, the tool that djm62 mentioned lets you configure the WEP key (System->Administration->Network)
[11:02] <pune> mcphail, I think he might have compiled his own driver maybe
[11:02] <djm62> Fulgulescu: well, it depends on your network....if you could ask for it on irc from strangers, it wouldn't be very secure
[11:02] <webtoe> punkrockguy318: are you wanting to create new jpegs which each take up less size?
[11:02] <^thehatsrule^> why tar when you can gz!
[11:02] <vessuvius81> so its called tetex on ubuntu then?
[11:02] <pune> mcphail, oh well, i'll be back I'm gonna go eat
[11:02] <djm62> vessuvius81: on debian and friends
[11:02] <thanatosys> well i tar then gunzip but w/e
[11:02] <jgeorgeson> Fulgulescu, you could also use 'iwconfig <interface> key <key>' from a terminal
[11:02] <punkrockguy318> webtoe, yes
[11:02] <vessuvius81> ah ok
[11:02] <thanatosys> is there a command that simplifies it
[11:02] <vessuvius81> thanks
[11:02] <Agrajag> ^thehatsrule^: because gzip doesn't support more than one file in an archive
[11:02] <webtoe> convert is your friend
[11:03] <vessuvius81> no wonder I couldn't find it
[11:03] <fabioar> hi everybody.... anybody knows where can i get info to make my palm m125 to work?
[11:03] <Fulgulescu> check this
[11:03] <djm62> vessuvius81: you may not need a wep key at all
[11:03] <jinx``> how to play divx x with totem video player?
[11:03] <thanatosys> fabior try lspci
[11:03] <Fulgulescu> this is the server i want to connect to
[11:03] <thanatosys> see if it is a listed device
[11:03] <jinx``> it just works with VLC
[11:03] <Agrajag> thanatosys: tar cvzf
[11:03] <thanatosys> thanks
[11:03] <^thehatsrule^> Agrajag: i mean tar.gz ^^
[11:03] <punkrockguy318> webtoe, convert?
[11:03] <Fulgulescu> wlan0     IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"mitzawlan"  Nickname:"okuwlan"
[11:03] <Fulgulescu>           Mode:Ad-Hoc  Frequency:2.457GHz  Cell: 02:00:DD:A3:1B:00
[11:03] <Fulgulescu>           Bit Rate:11Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm
[11:03] <thanatosys> wait that should be lsusb
[11:03] <jinx``> in totem i just hear the sound
[11:04] <thanatosys> has anyone had any luck with gdesklets
[11:04] <Fulgulescu> Encryption key:off
[11:04] <thanatosys> it seems to incessantly crash on my system
[11:04] <thanatosys> it wont even start a desklet now
[11:04] <thanatosys> :(
[11:04] <Echylo> hi
[11:04] <webtoe> punkrockguy318: its a program which is part of the ImageMajick suite. Its a command line tool which can be scripted to alter pictures
[11:04] <Echylo> how smart was it
[11:04] <fabioar> thank thanatosys...
[11:04] <Echylo> to update to breezy?
[11:04] <djm62> jinx``: marillat repository will get you mplayer (google for it), and that will play mostly anything
[11:04] <WeirdAl> Hello. This is nothing to do with Ubuntu but you guys know everything. Does anyone know where I can get MySQL help? An IRC chan or something.
[11:05] <Echylo> no serious I updated to breezy now
[11:05] <fabioar> yes it is listed as a accepted device
[11:05] <Echylo> was it smart?
[11:05] <Fulgulescu> is there a tool to autodetect my settings?
[11:05] <thanatosys> ok have you tried mounting it
[11:05] <revelater> hey, how can i find out what my ip adress is on my network and the ip adress of my router/modem?
[11:05] <jgeorgeson> Fulgulescu, do you not know the WEP key?
[11:05] <thanatosys> hmm
[11:05] <djm62> Fulgulescu: do you really want an ad-hoc connection?
[11:05] <WeirdAl> I couldn't get mplayer working :-s. I use xine now.
[11:05] <thanatosys> your trying a palm
[11:05] <thanatosys> have you tried that palm tool that is included in the system
[11:06] <Fulgulescu> i`m new to this guys
[11:06] <thanatosys> its under system/preferences
[11:06] <whiteknight> Echylo, do you do mission critical stuff on ubuntu? if the answer is yes then it wasn't a good idea
[11:06] <Fulgulescu> i dunno whats the wep key
[11:06] <whiteknight> Echylo, if not then i wouldn't worry
[11:06] <Xappe> have you guys tried to recompile totem-xine with the firefox plugin enabled?
[11:06] <Fazer_> yeap, so no more ubuntu
[11:06] <jgeorgeson> Fulgulescu, is it your access point you're trying to connect to?
[11:06] <punkrockguy318> webtoe, when it says quality value.. what is the range on that? do you know? 1 - 100?
[11:06] <djm62> Fulgulescu: are you connecting to a server? if so, you want to use managed mode
[11:06] <Echylo> well another question, why isn't beagle supported? I can't install it
[11:07] <webtoe> i believe they often give it as 1 - 100
[11:07] <revelater> hey, how can i find out what my ip adress is on my network and the ip adress of my router/modem?
[11:07] <thanatosys> beagle is new and unstable
[11:07] <thanatosys> lol
[11:07] <djm62> revelater: ifconfig
[11:07] <Fulgulescu> i`m on the laptop and i use ubuntu;the server that i`m connecting to is a fc3 server
[11:07] <revelater> thankyou
[11:07] <Echylo> beagle is already on the new suse
[11:07] <Echylo> why shouldn't ubuntu have it
[11:07] <Fulgulescu> that what i pasted is the fc3 wlan config
[11:07] <thanatosys> look for the source and try compiling it?
[11:08] <Echylo> that's an option
[11:08] <thanatosys> also i would like to say splashy is the shit
[11:08] <Echylo> splashy?
[11:08] <thanatosys> easiest splash program ever written
[11:08] <webtoe> also it needs inode support in the kernel
[11:08] <webtoe> which is still experimental
[11:08] <thanatosys> its like bootsplash or usplash
[11:08] <LightBeam> hello
[11:08] <jgeorgeson> Fulgulescu, you can use network-admin (System->Administration->Network) to set your wlan on your laptop to those same settings
[11:08] <Echylo> oh and what has it to do with beagle,
[11:08] <Echylo> ?
[11:08] <thanatosys> doenst require a recompile or antyhing
[11:08] <webtoe> and is integral to the filesystem
[11:08] <thanatosys> it doesnt
[11:08] <Echylo> I know webtoe
[11:08] <thanatosys> its just awesome
[11:08] <djm62> Fulgulescu: the server would be better as Master mode, if you can do so
[11:08] <LightBeam> Can somebody help me to install java VM for firefox ? :-(
[11:08] <Echylo> oh ok
[11:08] <webtoe> ah
[11:08] <webtoe> ok
[11:08] <Echylo> anyway
[11:08] <Echylo> gtg
[11:08] <Echylo> gnight every1
[11:08] <Fulgulescu> what do u mean
[11:08] <Echylo> ubuntu! :p
[11:08] <Fulgulescu> master mode
[11:09] <webtoe> lol
[11:09] <Fulgulescu> ?
[11:09] <thanatosys> has anyone gotten monitor mode to work in hoary
[11:09] <thanatosys> ?
[11:09] <LightBeam> nobody ?
[11:09] <Fulgulescu> this is what i do on the fc3 server for wlan
[11:09] <Fulgulescu> iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc channel 10 essid mitzawlan
[11:09] <Fulgulescu> ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.2 up
[11:09] <webtoe> LightBeam: what have you tried so far?
[11:10] <hitesh> hey people.. .new ubuntu user here on day 1.. i like it a lot so far...
[11:10] <LightBeam> I have /usr/java installed (j2re 1.5) and linked libjavaplugin_oji.so to firefox/plugins
[11:10] <hitesh> anyone get realplayer to work with ESD ?
[11:10] <jgeorgeson> Fulgulescu, do that with a different ip on your ubuntu laptop
[11:10] <LightBeam> and I have "white applets"
[11:10] <djm62> Fulgulescu: A wifi card can be "Managed mode" (connected to a router) "ad-hoc mode" (connected to another ad-hoc card), or "Master mode" (allowing connections from Managed mode cards)
[11:10] <punkrockguy318> webtoe, thanks for your help, that's just what i needed... after an apt-get install imagemagick and a $ convert -quality 50 * * everything worked great
[11:10] <webtoe> no worries
[11:11] <LightBeam> help me :-\
[11:11] <webtoe> LightBeam: in the address bar of firefox type about:plugins
[11:12] <webtoe> and look for java
[11:12] <StyXman> wow, how many people
[11:12] <LightBeam> webtoe: I do it... java plugins are loaded !
[11:12] <webtoe> is it there?
[11:12] <webtoe> k well try leaving it for a while
[11:12] <LightBeam> but doesn't work fine
[11:12] <webtoe> they could just be taking a long time to load?
[11:12] <StyXman> I'm trying to compile xorg from sources
[11:12] <StyXman> I get the sources via apt-get source xorg
[11:13] <LightBeam> long time ? really long ?
[11:13] <StyXman> but a debian/ruler build-all fails
[11:13] <webtoe> LightBeam: try opening a console, then starting firefox from it, and see if any errors show up
[11:13] <StyXman> s/ruler/rules/
[11:13] <webtoe> when you try to load java aps
[11:13] <LightBeam> ok webtoe
[11:14] <Bukkake> j #wordpress
[11:14] <LightBeam> webtoe : no errors
[11:14] <Bukkake> whups.. heh
[11:14] <webtoe> hmm
[11:14] <jinx``> what is marillat?
[11:14] <jinx``> djm62
[11:14] <akk> Anyone familiar with the installer on small laptops?
[11:15] <akk> When I get to the network config stage, am I better off ejecting the cd to put in the network card,
[11:15] <djm62> jinx``: it's a repository that you add to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <ermo> jinx``, isn't that a repository with w32 xine codecs?
[11:15] <jgeorgeson> jinx``, a repository of multimedia packages of questionable legality due to software patents
[11:15] <akk> or will it let me configure a network without a card in place?
[11:15] <roshambo> hi all
[11:15] <djm62> don't question the legality, question the legal system
[11:15] <onno> any experienced person with AWSTATS
[11:15] <roshambo> which startup script has the ntp update thingo in it?
[11:16] <djm62> roshambo: /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[11:16] <jgeorgeson> djm62, heh. users aren't, to the best of my knowledge, under any risk, only ditributors, which is why it's in marillat instead of ubuntu
[11:17] <roshambo> djm62: if that isn't linked to in rc2.d, is there any reason why it would start anyway?
[11:17] <djm62> roshambo: I don't _think_ so
[11:18] <djm62> jgeorgeson: I find that oddly cold comfort...patents per se make much less sense now than when they were invented
[11:18] <Ubuntu_Beginner> Hi
[11:18] <roshambo> djm62: cos its starting on mine :( inittab says runlevel is 2, so i am not sure why it would run
[11:19] <_blackdog> are apt sources available for breezybadger yet?
[11:19] <WeirdAl> 'lo
[11:19] <WeirdAl> Filesystem question
[11:19] <WeirdAl> I have a partition mounted to /wine
[11:19] <jgeorgeson> djm62, totally (make much less sense when read as parents rather than patents)
[11:19] <Ubuntu_Beginner> I am trying to install ubuntu but the installation aborts at the install base part every time. Any body can help?
[11:19] <smouche> I think the issue with ubuntu is that Canonical plans to make money with support services for this distro, and understandably, they need to avoid entangling potential customers in legal hassles.
[11:20] <WeirdAl> What do I put in fstab so that users can write to /wine?
[11:20] <webtoe> WeirdAl: you need users in the options field
[11:20] <AndyR> Ubuntu_Beginner, what hardware?
[11:20] <webtoe> and there has to be rw there as well
[11:20] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, I think set the gid in the options to a common group, and set a umask that gives group write permission (or open it to the world)
[11:20] <Ubuntu_Beginner> Amd Athelon 2100+
[11:21] <dimatrod> hi, i came over to ask if there is any way to port 32 bit wine into 64 bit kubuntu??
[11:21] <jgeorgeson> webtoe, doesn't 'users' just let users mount/umount it?
[11:21] <AndyR> ide drives, ?
[11:21] <webtoe> ah good point, yes it does
[11:21] <Ubuntu_Beginner> maxtor 1 drive only
[11:21] <webtoe> i'm being silly
[11:21] <Fulgulescu> hey i`m running live cd whats the pass to su to root ?
[11:21] <WeirdAl> I'll try webtoe's first 'cause it's easier, cheers.
[11:21] <dimatrod> sudo-s (fulgu)
[11:21] <dbrouwer> any body know how to resolve this: cc1plus: Permission denied: opening dependency file accel.d make: *** [accel.o]  Error 1  ?
[11:22] <dimatrod> hi, i came over to ask if there is any way to port 32 bit wine into 64 bit kubuntu??
[11:22] <jgeorgeson> Fulgulescu, you may have to give yourself a password with 'passwd' first, then run 'sudo -s'
[11:22] <delire> jgeorgeson: swpats don't pose users risk directly, so much as discouraging developers to develop, hence reducing the pool of software users have available.
[11:22] <roshambo> ok, last question... is there somewhere to download the .config file used to compile the kernels that ubuntu comes with?
[11:22] <jeramy> dimatrod, anything is possible, but it would be a huge undertaking, because the Win32 binaries are 32 bit.  :)
[11:22] <Keizer> What can I use to burn an audio CD from MP3s?
[11:22] <AndyR> Ubuntu_Beginner, what motherboard?
[11:22] <delire> jgeorgeson: regardless, they are an abomination of sense in any case.
[11:23] <dimatrod> jeramy: so it would take a long line of commands to port it?
[11:23] <jgeorgeson> delire, i agree. i think they're stupid. just wanted to let jinx`` know why they're in a separate repo rather than part of ubuntu
[11:23] <Ubuntu_Beginner> AndyR: Why is this information important?
[11:23] <jeramy> dimatrod, yes
[11:23] <djm62> delire: they also last far too long, even if they did what they were supposed to
[11:23] <dimatrod> i read something abot "chroot", but didnt quite catch it
[11:23] <delire> jgeorgeson: ahah good to explain this to newcomers.
[11:23] <Ubuntu_Beginner> It's Asus any ways
[11:23] <delire> djm62: correct
[11:23] <AndyR> Ubuntu_Beginner, may be unsupported chipset
[11:23] <dimatrod> so it would take the same for azureus i suppose....
[11:24] <dimatrod> oh well, i guess its better to wait for 64 azureus and wine
[11:24] <dimatrod> thanks though
[11:24] <Ubuntu_Beginner> Where can I find information about supported chipsets?
[11:24] <djm62> (that applies to all patents, really)
[11:24] <dbrouwer> any body here get an error when compiling wxGTK-2.4.2?
[11:24] <Fazer> hello folks
[11:24] <dimatrod> sup
[11:24] <dimatrod> nope
[11:24] <Fazer> man, getting wifi is such a damn pai
[11:25] <dimatrod> pie?
[11:25] <djm62> ((and the idea of conferring a temporary monopoly goes against both capitalist and socialist principles))
[11:25] <Fazer> *pain
[11:25] <jeramy> dbrouwer, are you using apt to do it?  (Just curious)
[11:25] <jgeorgeson> i think copyright extension is more a problem than patent length (why do we need to wait until 2074 to get superfreak in public domain?)
[11:25] <webtoe> hmmm i love pie
[11:25] <dimatrod> frazer, are you using kwifi?
[11:25] <delire> djm62: yes, exactly.
[11:25] <Fazer> dimatrod: I can't even get it to see a wifi network
[11:26] <Fazer> let alone even use wlan0 as the interface.
[11:26] <dbrouwer> no, i downloaded it (it's for amule) upon doing make i get an error about permission denied make: *** [accel.o]  Error 1
[11:26] <dimatrod> dimatrod: but you did get the wifi card recognize correctly?
[11:27] <dimatrod> i mean, frazer
[11:27] <Fazer> *fazer
[11:27] <dimatrod> yeah
[11:27] <djm62> why was superfreak released to the public anyway ;)
[11:27] <Fazer> dimatrod: Yeah... I think so.
[11:27] <Fazer> like, I could see wlan0
[11:27] <Fazer> but it won't see any AP
[11:27] <jeramy> dbrouwer, does it specifically want 2.4.2?
[11:27] <dimatrod> so i gues it recognizes...
[11:27] <jeramy> dbrouwer, apt has libwxgtk2.4.2.6
[11:27] <dimatrod> fazer:  maybe signal is too weak or something
[11:28] <dimatrod> or you have to configure to connect to the windows or mac network
[11:28] <jeramy> dbrouwer, (well, the package is libwxgtk2.4)
[11:28] <djm62> Fazer: iwlist scanning?
[11:28] <dimatrod> try seing if the router is mac compatible?
[11:28] <dimatrod> i mean, linux
[11:28] <dimatrod> damn, reading too much at a time
[11:28] <Fazer> yeap, everything.
[11:28] <dimatrod> odd....
[11:28] <Fazer> very
[11:28] <dbrouwer> okay, thanks! i am new to ubuntu, how do i apt get the file (what specific command?)
[11:28] <Fazer> i was here like 30 minutes ago
[11:28] <Fazer> first, my ethernet wasn't working
[11:29] <Fazer> then when that was fixed
[11:29] <Fazer> noting else would work
[11:29] <Fazer> i mean
[11:29] <Fazer> whaat am i saying.
[11:29] <dimatrod> dbrower: which apt?
[11:29] <Fazer> USB is wrkign fine.
[11:29] <dimatrod> weird
[11:29] <Fazer> maybe its because of the Live CD?
[11:29] <Fazer> If I had it installed, it wouldn't be soo bad?
[11:29] <dimatrod> oh, youre using live... maybe it is
[11:29] <jeramy> dbrouwer, maybe it's in universer
[11:29] <dimatrod> i guess
[11:29] <KingArthur> which works better, a usb modem or trying to get the internal softmodem working?
[11:30] <dimatrod> usb
[11:30] <jeramy> dbrouwer, do you have universe enabled?
[11:30] <dimatrod> on the sources.list, dbrower
[11:30] <dbrouwer> ? dunno, just got ubuntu installed, where and how do i check that?
[11:30] <dimatrod> read the unoficial ubuntu guid
[11:30] <dimatrod> guide
[11:30] <jeramy> dbrouwer, ok, yes, it's in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[11:30] <dimatrod> hi, i came over to ask if there is any way to port 32 bit wine into 64 bit kubuntu??
[11:31] <KingArthur> are most usb modems plug and play in ubuntu?  I want to know before I fork up money for something that won't do the job
[11:31] <djm62> dbrouwer: generically 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:31] <dimatrod> yeah
[11:31] <jeramy> dbrouwer, the file that you want to edit (using sudo) is /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:31] <jeramy> yeah, what he said.  ;)
[11:31] <jeramy> dbrouwer, and add universe at the end of "main restricted"
[11:32] <dimatrod> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installssh
[11:32] <dimatrod> just look for it there, its under ssh
[11:32] <dimatrod> way below
[11:32] <dbrouwer> okay, clear,
[11:32] <dbrouwer> thanks
[11:32] <dbrouwer> so far
[11:32] <dimatrod> welcomed
[11:32] <KingArthur> anyone here ever use Net Zero for Debian on Ubuntu?  if so, how did it work for you?
[11:33] <dbrouwer> so add the url to the file at the end of main restricted?
[11:33] <jeramy> No, add universe
[11:33] <dbrouwer> "add universe" ?
[11:33] <dbrouwer> or add "universe"
[11:33] <djm62> dbrouwer: the word 'universe'
[11:33] <dbrouwer> lol
[11:33] <dbrouwer> thanks
[11:34] <jeramy> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[11:34] <jeramy> like that.
[11:34] <jeramy> :)
[11:34] <akk> Anybody know much about the installer?
[11:34] <WeirdAl> webtoe, I put "defaults,users" in the option for that mount but I still don't have write permission, it says.
[11:34] <dbrouwer> thanks all
[11:34] <akk> It's lost my cdrom; I tried going back to "Detect and mount CD-ROM" but it doesn't seem to do anything.
[11:34] <akk> Can I force it to re-do that step?
[11:34] <jeramy> dbrouwer, and do it on all of them that don't have a # at the beginning of the line
[11:35] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, users just lets users mount it. look at the uid/gid/umask options
[11:35] <WeirdAl> OK
[11:35] <dbrouwer> okay
[11:35] <webtoe> WeirdAl: as someone pointed out I was wrong unfortunatly. Make sure that the disk is mounted rw and they you'll have to do the uid thing
[11:35] <webtoe> i was wrong you see
[11:35] <WeirdAl> Do you happen to know how  I do the uid thing?
[11:36] <jeramy> dbrouwer, after you're done that, open up Synaptic (System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager)
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[11:36] <webtoe> you use uid=000 or something like that ( i think the number is 000)
[11:36] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, uid and gid are the user and group (numeric IDs, found in /etc/passwd and /etc/group) that will own the file system
[11:36] <QMario> How do I use Python with GLADE?
[11:36] <mjc> anyone have any neat tricks? I'm bored.
[11:36] <djm62> akk: what sort of CD drive do you have?
[11:36] <jeramy> dbrouwer, and then click "Reload"
[11:37] <webtoe> be careful and use the right number or you'll giver everyone access to everyhintg
[11:37] <djm62> mjc: get beagle :) bit of effort, but worth it
[11:37] <synd> hey whats the URL for the ndiswrapper-utils howto? i cant find it
[11:37] <WeirdAl> I see
[11:37] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, the umask will set the permission bits
[11:37] <dbrouwer> sorry if i do not respond, i am reading what you write, i got a telephone call i need answer
[11:37] <jeramy> np
[11:38] <akk> djm62: It's a vaio laptop with a single cardbus slot, which has to handle both cd and networking.
[11:38] <jeramy> dbrouwer, after it reloads, do a search for wxgtk and up it'll pop.  You'll probably want just the libwxgtk2.4 one for now...
[11:38] <akk> djm62: So the question is how to get it to allow networking without losing the cdrom.
[11:38] <WeirdAl> OK, my uid and gid are both 1000
[11:38] <whiteknight> synd, hey, i was trying to find it last night, it seems have disappeared!
[11:39] <jeramy> dbrouwer, I need to go, so if you have any problems, I'm sure someone here will help you out.  :)
[11:39] <djm62> ah...
[11:39] <WeirdAl> So I want..? defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=???
[11:39] <dbrouwer> jeramy, thanks!
[11:39] <dbrouwer> bye
[11:39] <jeramy> np
[11:39] <WeirdAl> In the options part?
[11:39] <jeramy> bye
[11:39] <WeirdAl> That right?
[11:39] <djm62> akk: you can set up networking later?
[11:40] <djm62> akk: literally, your machine can't network and CD at the same time
[11:40] <akk> djm62: Oh, good.  The sarge installer gets really horked if I try to delay networking, so I worried about that.
[11:40] <djm62> akk: ?
[11:40] <jgeorgeson> WeirdaAl, you'll have to expirment with the umask values, maybe man umask
[11:40] <synd> whiteknight: hmm..
[11:40] <akk> djm62: Right, it can't network and cd at the same time.
[11:40] <synd> whiteknight: well i need to set up ndiswrapper and i cant remember how!
[11:40] <WeirdAl> is that the way it's done though?
[11:40] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, yeah
[11:40] <WeirdAl> OK thanks
[11:40] <djm62> akk: delay networking, you can configure it later (do it asap)
[11:40] <WeirdAl> :-s no man umask
[11:40] <webtoe> WeirdAl: yes that how it done. Don't know whether you need all three though. Search www.google.co.uk/linux for umask and you should find what you need
[11:41] <WeirdAl> thanks
[11:41] <akk> djm62: Thanks, I'll try that.  It'll give me a chance to load the network drivers later?
[11:41] <jgeorgeson> if you set the umask to give group write, but not world write, everyone who is going to use it will need to be added to group 1000
[11:41] <djm62> akk: yeah...it will do it anyway (hotplug)
[11:42] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, I suspect, however, that group 1000 is the private group created for your account, so you might consider using the 'users' group or, creating a wine group, and adding everyone who gets to write to the /wine partition to that group
[11:42] <WeirdAl> It is, but I'm the only user.
[11:43] <WeirdAl> I don't get how masks work, TBH, but rather than a long explanation ('cause I'm tired :-) ), what's the umask for user rwx, group rwx and everyone else ---?
[11:43] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, ok. you probably don't need to mess with umask, then. why not just run wine out of you home directory in that case?
[11:43] <djm62> is there a reason ubuntu doesn't use a graphical boot sequence?
[11:43] <WeirdAl> Because I have a new partition for it.
[11:44] <WeirdAl> I tried to resize my main partition but I couldn't find anything to do it.
[11:44] <WeirdAl> So I created a new partition and I'm using it for my wine apps.
[11:44] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, ah
[11:44] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, start with 007 and play around until it's right
[11:45] <WeirdAl> I'll try it without a umask first.
[11:45] <WeirdAl> Since I own it.
[11:45] <WeirdAl> ostensibly
[11:45] <InitMass> which file is good to use root-tail on?
[11:45] <akk> What is "configure a multiseat system"?
[11:45] <Pinguss> Evening guys, I just installed Ubuntu here at my friends place and I'm having some trouble with what looks like the nvidia drivers, I followed the binary-how-to from the website and everything seems to go well and X starts up fine, but When i tested glxgears, it hung the system after about 10 seconds, its a brand new XFX 6600GT AGP video card... anybody have any ideas?
[11:46] <Lassen> Is my first time instaling UBUNTU, and the intallation proces give to my a error in "Configure apt".  What can be?
[11:46] <superted> Pinguss: are they gonna use the computer for gaming? if not i don't see the use for the nvidia drivers
[11:47] <Pinguss> superted: yes he is planing on getting a cedega subscription so he can play City of Heroes
[11:47] <jgeorgeson> Pinguss, does the howto direct you to using nvidia.com's stuff, or a repo with .deb packagse?
[11:47] <webtoe> Pinguss: and did you run glxgears from a console?any output?
[11:47] <Pinguss> jgeorgeson, it directs to apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:47] <webtoe> error messages etc.
[11:47] <Pinguss> no errors, just pure hanging then the monitor shuts off and blinks
[11:47] <djm62> akk: multiple simultaneous users
[11:47] <superted> Pinguss: well, does everything except for glxgears work?
[11:47] <djm62> akk: you can uninstall it later if you don't want it
[11:47] <jgeorgeson> Pinguss, did you compare what version you get from the .deb packages to what's available at nvidia.com?
[11:48] <Pinguss> dpkg tells me its 7174 thats installed and that seems to be the latest on nvidia.coms site
[11:48] <akk> djm62: What does that mean at install time?  Doesn't linux always support multiple users if you create accounts for them?
[11:48] <Pinguss> superted, I've tryed tuxracer too, same thing, it hangs after bout 10 seconds, seems anything that hits GL for more then a few seconds
[11:49] <WeirdAl> jgeorgeson, I set it uid=1000,gid=1000 and it's still mounted as root/root
[11:49] <webtoe> Pinguss: have you checked the docs and seen which opengl is being used. Remebered that you used to have to make sure a glx module was or wasn't being loaded
[11:49] <omeg> I've got a problem. I just followed the upgrade information on the Hoary wiki (upgrading from Warty to Hoary) but when I try to start the Synaptic package manager, it says that it cannot find the files which I just put in my config file.
[11:49] <Pinguss> I followed some steps i found on a forum to switch to the NvAGP module instead of AGPGART but it acts the exact same way
[11:49] <kanuha> Can anyone tell me what the name of the applet for KDE is that shows your network connection?
[11:50] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, did you umount after editing /etc/fstab?
[11:50] <webtoe> Pinguss: you might need to check in the xorg.conf file to check what i just blurted
[11:50] <WeirdAl> /dev/hda4 /wine ext2 defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[11:50] <WeirdAl> I reset!
[11:50] <jmarica9416> sorry new at ubuntu...is there a package in the default repositories for kerberos, or do i have to hunt down a repository
[11:50] <djm62> akk: yes it does, but things like gnome etc can be less happy
[11:50] <Pinguss> webtoe, part of the steps were to comment out load DRI and GLCore and to make sure GLX was loading, i've done that
[11:50] <jbailey> jmarica9416: MIT's krb5 packages are in main.
[11:51] <jmarica9416> jbailey: thanks
[11:51] <webtoe> k that's all i could think of i'm afraid ;-)
[11:51] <omeg> So basically, I followed the instructions on the Hoary wiki, but I can't update from Warty to Hoary.
[11:51] <djm62> akk: for that matter, things like sshd, or even multiple keyboard/monitor support
[11:51] <Pinguss> Is there any known issues with 6600GT's ???
[11:51] <WeirdAl> oh, maybe it's that.
[11:51] <LinuxJones> Pinguss, >> http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:YZ79QnTiQzUJ:lists.zerezo.com/debian-user/0623.html++XFX+6600GT+debian&hl=en&client=firefox
[11:51] <toresbe> Yes!!! they're expensive !!! :(
[11:51] <akk> djm62: Oh, doing that step meant I get things like sshd?  Good, I definitely need that.
[11:51] <toresbe> Pinguss: :P
[11:52] <kanuha> Can anyone tell me what the name of the applet for KDE is that shows your network connection?
[11:52] <Pinguss> toresbe: OOOoooo that looks dangerous... wonder if i should risk it
[11:52] <omeg> Can anybody help me upgrade from Warty to Hoary? The installation instructions on the Wiki didn't work because of an error.
[11:52] <Pinguss> messing with the clocks thru hardware..
[11:52] <djm62> akk: anything you want is only an apt-get away anyhow :)
[11:52] <Pinguss> hrmm
[11:52] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, I'm not sure ext2 supports uid/gid. for some reason I assumed vfat
[11:53] <martinhj> toresbe, bruker Ubuntu du ogs?
[11:53] <WeirdAl> Well there's nothing on it.
[11:53] <toresbe> martinhj: yep :)
[11:53] <WeirdAl> I could reformat as ext3
[11:53] <WeirdAl> Does that?
[11:53] <akk> linux-386, linux-image-386, or linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[11:54] <jmarica9416> jbailey: do you mean the libkrb53 files...looks like it is installed by i cannot locate krb.conf or kinit command
[11:54] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, files under /wine are owned by root, or /wine itself?
[11:54] <akk> I guess I'll choose the third one 'cause at least then I know what I'm choosing.  Sort of.
[11:54] <WeirdAl> /wine itself
[11:54] <omeg> Can anybody help me upgrade from Warty to Hoary? The installation instructions on the Wiki didn't work because of an error.
[11:54] <martinhj> toresbe, har ikke s mye  utsette, men har hadde tilsynelatende random freezes.. fant ut at det var laptop_mode da jeg kjrte batteri..
[11:54] <martinhj> ellers fornyd;-)
[11:54] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, what if you create a file under /wine?
[11:54] <WeirdAl> I have to be root
[11:54] <toresbe> martinhj: this is an english channel, we can talk in #linux.no :)
[11:54] <WeirdAl> So it gets created as root
[11:54] <jbailey> jmarica9416: krb5-user is probably a good choice.  It's not in main, sorry - jus tthe libraries are.
[11:55] <stas> hi
[11:55] <stas> how can I restart the X server?
[11:55] <webtoe> ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:55] <stas> ctrlaltbackspc only kills it
[11:55] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl: ok, you and webtoe are going to love this, instead of uid/gid, give the users option and mount it as yourself rather than as root
[11:55] <NotANick> ctrl alt backspace
[11:55] <toresbe> stas: ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:55] <martinhj> toresbe, :-)
[11:55] <stas> so I have to restart my whole computer
[11:55] <stas> to get X back
[11:55] <imperfect-> Howdy folks
[11:55] <thenuke> it restarts X on my PC's
[11:55] <WeirdAl> O_o
[11:55] <toresbe> stas: that Shouldn't Happen (tm)
[11:55] <stas> it goes to ablack console screen sometimes on mine
[11:55] <webtoe> jgreorgeson: lol!! no i'm wrong dammit!
[11:55] <omeg> Can anybody help me upgrade from Warty to Hoary? The installation instructions on the Wiki didn't work because of an error.
[11:56] <stas> SOMETIMES it restarts X
[11:56] <jgeorgeson> stas, X restarts for me on ctrl+alt+del
[11:56] <jmarica9416> jbailey: thanks...would you happen to know a good repository that i can use
[11:56] <omeg> I'm talking about this page, by the way: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[11:56] <webtoe> no stas, ctrl-alt- backspace not the del key
[11:56] <stas> I am using ubuntu
[11:56] <djm62> stas: or go to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) and do 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[11:57] <jgeorgeson> stas, if you have sshd running you could also try to ssh in from another machine (if you can't switch terminals)
[11:57] <omeg> +o(
[11:57] <SeamusLP> stas:  When that happens restart gdm
[11:57] <stas> see
[11:57] <stas> it did it again
[11:57] <stas> I did sudo pkill gdm
[11:57] <stas> and sudo gdm
[11:58] <stas> to get it running again
[11:58] <stas> can I make it so I don't have to do that
[11:58] <djm62> stas: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[11:58] <jgeorgeson> stas, look at the /var/log/xorg.log to see why it crashed
[11:58] <djm62> will be kinder
[11:58] <jgeorgeson> stas, and what djm62 said
[11:59] <imperfect-> try ctrl-alt-f1
[11:59] <amonkey> which package should i get to get the fuse module?
[11:59] <imperfect-> that'll get you /dev/tty1
[11:59] <imperfect-> or the first getty
[11:59] <WeirdAl> jgeorgeson, guess what?
[12:00] <ubnuser> hi, i am having trouble installing flash support for firefox (i tried the FAQ)