[12:01] <Kortor> redrum: i just set it back to ati driver
[12:01] <Kortor> redrum: gonna see what i can find on the web
[12:01] <Tm_T> TestDummy: apt-cache search gtk is good start, use imagination
[12:01] <_ReDRuM_> u mean the mesa ati one?
[12:01] <_ReDRuM_> cool. yeh i would least it works.
[12:02] <Tm_T> hullo kortor
[12:02] <Kortor> nod
[12:02] <Kortor> i dunno why fglrx isnt working for me, though. :(
[12:02] <Kortor> follow instructions exactly
[12:02] <Kortor> hi tm_t
[12:02] <TestDummy> What was that about..
[12:03] <_ReDRuM_> cause its ATI
[12:03] <_ReDRuM_> and ATI dont care about linux
[12:07] <_ReDRuM_> can you imagine the uproar if their windows drivers were half as cantancerous? :)
[12:07] <Kortor> afk
[12:18] <CygnusX1> Hello.  Has anyone noted any tutorials on getting Kubuntu set up as a MythTV box?
[12:24] <StR> hi there...
[12:24] <StR> has anyone installed openoffice.org2 and removed openoffice1?
[12:54] <SuperCatFrog> cygnus - i use kubuntu as a mythbox
[12:54] <SuperCatFrog> *cygnusX1
[12:55] <zhukov> naaaaaaaaaaa
[12:56] <CygnusX1> SuperCatFrog, Are you an expert? :-) I am not, wondering on the difficulty level.
[01:00] <SuperCatFrog> cygnusx1 - not really, no
[01:00] <SuperCatFrog> just follow the guide at mythtv.org
[01:01] <SuperCatFrog> the only thing i had to do different from the guide was this: echo "snd_bt878" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:01] <CygnusX1> SuperCatFrog, Roger that.  I wll give it a whirl.  BTW, what tuner card are you using?
[01:01] <SuperCatFrog> apart from that, everything just worked
[01:01] <SuperCatFrog> im using a dvb_bt878 card (DVB-T card)
[01:01] <SuperCatFrog> from visionplus
[01:02] <SuperCatFrog> one thing i will recommend to you, if you are new to mythtv is enable "xv for picture controls" for playback (its in the mythfrontend settings, one of the last things you should do" because it _greatly_ improves performance during playback
[01:02] <CygnusX1> I am in for some fun.  I told my wife a PVR-250 and she brought a 150 home. heh heh.
[01:03] <SuperCatFrog> 150's fine, iirc
[01:03] <SuperCatFrog> although i'd never ask my girlfriend to get me something for my computer - i'd want to get it myself
[01:04] <CygnusX1> :-)  I am learning.
[01:04] <SuperCatFrog> #ivtv and #mythtv-users are probably the best places for you to go if you have any problems although i'm here quite alot too 
[01:04] <CygnusX1> SuperCatFrog, thank you.  I did not know there was an ivtv channel...I am sure I will see some action there.
[01:05] <SuperCatFrog> m'kay
[01:05] <SuperCatFrog> good luck
[01:06] <leafw> Hi. how are the mouse buttons emulated in kubuntu powerpc ? Can't find any options in the kde control center.
[01:07] <sladen> F11/F12 I think
[01:08] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody use nessus? i'd like to have a look at it but the first thing i found in the guide (running nessus-adduser)doesn't work - that command doesn't exists
[01:08] <leafw> sladen: true, thank you!
[01:09] <leafw> the powerpc live cd runs faster than the macosx 10.2.8 installed in the hard drive ... openoffice opens in about the same time than word in macosx.
[01:09] <leafw> this is really nice.
[01:09] <SuperCatFrog> ive got it (need to install nessusd
[01:16] <SuperCatFrog> leafw - im guessing that because everythings loaded into ram from the cd - much faster access times (although this might not be the case)
[01:16] <leafw> SuperCatFrog: it may be, I'm running with 512 MB of ram which may have a big part of the CD loaded.
[01:21] <leafw> by the way is there any kubuntu packager here
[01:22] <leafw> I'd like to know just how hard would it be to remove openoffice and other smaller apps and add opengl, python and java support along blender and some java apps. In the live cd I mean.
[01:22] <Zizzencs> hi! i have 2 soundcards, a via on the motherboard and an emu10k1. kde has no sound. how do i reconfigure alsa to change the order of the two cards?
[01:23] <Zizzencs> this udev thing combined with the scripts really annoys me
[01:29] <Zugot> is there a kde gmail notifier?
[01:29] <Zugot> i'm using irc as google right now
[01:29] <eazel7> Zugot: kcheckgmail
[01:30] <SuperCatFrog> kugot - or you can enable pop3 support on the gmail website, then use kmail to download your emails
[01:30] <eazel7> Zugot: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14927
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> guys
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> http://www.virtualbartender.beer.com/VB2/
[01:30] <Zugot> thanks much
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> now i dont want u to say i never give u anything
[01:30] <eazel7> Zugot: and yes, gmail has pop and smtp
[01:30] <_ReDRuM_> cause theres two things
[01:30] <Zugot> hahaha.... i must need sleep... i didn't even do a "apt-cache search gmail"
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> kcheckmail doesnt work for me
[01:31] <SuperCatFrog> oh thanks - my gf's well pissed now
[01:31] <SuperCatFrog> (apparently not well pissed)
[01:31] <SuperCatFrog> but i got called a perv
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> SuperCatFrog: lol
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> hardly your fault
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> i didnt say what they were :)
[01:31] <SuperCatFrog> she also said "their not bartenders, theyre not even neer the bar"
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> type star wars
[01:31] <_ReDRuM_> tell her its a geek festival
[01:32] <SuperCatFrog> i'l just have a gander
[01:32] <_ReDRuM_> be rude not to :)
[01:33] <SuperCatFrog> monkey
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> heh didnt try that one
[01:33] <_ReDRuM_> didnt try star wars either got that off the guy who gave me it
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> nipples, finger, school girls and ass are all good
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> i mean bad
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> very bad
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> :)
[01:34] <SuperCatFrog> lol
[01:34] <SuperCatFrog> ommm
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> school girls u could watch in front of ur gf
[01:35] <SuperCatFrog> well ive closed it now
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> they just attack eachother
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> www.subserviantchicken.com
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> someone i know sent me that one too
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> but he wouldnt do anything my sick mind came up with
[01:36] <SuperCatFrog> that one's really jumpy
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> omg i give that site to this girl i know the two lil hotties
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> and shes been on it for half an hour
[01:36] <_ReDRuM_> hmm :)
[01:37] <SuperCatFrog> m'kay
[01:37] <SuperCatFrog> rite
[01:37] <SuperCatFrog> im off to bed
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> nite
[01:37] <SuperCatFrog> no wait
[01:37] <SuperCatFrog> cant - food is cooking
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> cya
[01:37] <SuperCatFrog> change of plan
[01:37] <_ReDRuM_> k
[01:37] <SuperCatFrog> no, not going
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> i am
[01:38] <SuperCatFrog> im off - tv
[01:52] <ice_1963> ok
[01:52] <CygnusX1> I have used kynaptic to install 2.6.10-7 i686.  What next?
[01:53] <CygnusX1> I mean, I am still showing that I have 2.6.10-5 i386 as my kernel.
[01:53] <ice_1963> on boot
[01:55] <x0gd> Wich scrit should I configure to setup my Wifi at startup (like SSID, WEP and so on)???
[01:57] <verden01> HI
[02:02] <verden01> Hi
[02:44] <ice_1963> how can i get flashplayer for konqueror pl ??????
[02:44] <ice_1963> not mozilla
[02:44] <difekta> flash sucks.
[02:44] <difekta> don't support it by using it.
[02:46] <_tek> install it for mozilla and then tell konqueror to search for plugins it will find it.
[02:46] <carambol> setting>plugins>
[02:47] <ice_1963> i have comcast that's where my emaile is it use's flashplayer
[02:50] <ice_1963> java sucks
[02:55] <billytwowilly> can anyone point me to kubuntu/ubuntu download sttats? I'm curious how kubuntu cd downloads stack up compared to ubuntu cd downloads
[02:57] <Riddell> billytwowilly: see my entry which should still be on planet.ubuntu.com
[02:59] <billytwowilly> so around 8 % of the ubuntu traffic.
[02:59] <billytwowilly> for that mirror anyway.
[02:59] <Tm_T> hm
[03:03] <Riddell> billytwowilly: huh?  it's almost as many as the ubuntu downloads on that mirror
[03:04] <billytwowilly> Maybe I'm reading the numbers wrong then.
[03:04] <billytwowilly> It looked like 3.4 million ubuntu downloads vs 124 000 kubuntu downloads
[03:05] <billytwowilly> heh.
[03:05] <billytwowilly> nice, I was.
[03:05] <billytwowilly> 108 vs 124
[03:05] <billytwowilly> That makes  me happier;)
[03:05] <billytwowilly> are there any aggregate statistics for all the mirrors?
[03:06] <Riddell> billytwowilly: nope
[03:06] <billytwowilly> that's unfortunate. That could just be a fluke.
[03:06] <billytwowilly> Maybe all the kde users are swedish;)
[03:13] <Tm_T> eh
[03:13] <Tm_T> billytwowilly: that was a huge insult
[03:14] <_tek> hey swedish women are pretty damn hot, not that than means a damn thing
[03:15] <billytwowilly> No it wasn't. I am genuinely curious. Also, most of the KDE developers are in Europe. I am a huge KDE fan and am ecstatic that kubuntu appears to be doing so well (am running it right now)
[03:15] <_tek> huge kde fan too, tried gnome over the years and it just doesnt fit 
[03:16] <_tek> actually liked it better before then reworked it.
[03:16] <billytwowilly> the stats on the swedish server only represent how well kubuntu is doing for the people that access that server, it is in no statistically sound way representative of all the ubuntu downloads.
[03:17] <billytwowilly> Which is what I was trying to point out because I am interested in how kubuntu is doing compared to ubuntu.
[03:17] <billytwowilly> gnome = crap
[03:17] <billytwowilly> It's useable now, but in now way compareable in quality to KDE.
[03:17] <Riddell> children please keep gnome flames to #ubuntu-flame
[03:18] <billytwowilly> Sorry, I'm trying to point out I didn't mean my point to be an insult to kubuntu.
[03:18] <smouche> can anyone tell me why I always get this error when starting kpackage:  "kpackage: WARNING: Couldn't open categories file"
[03:18] <_tek> i would agree, not to say gnome isn't perfect for some people, its just not for me. i respect what they are doing just no use for it
[03:19] <billytwowilly> gnome has some nice apps.
[03:19] <billytwowilly> ie. evolution, firefox, openoffice.org
[03:19] <phxguy> Anyone Care to help me with my usb Wi-fi connection?
[03:19] <billytwowilly> oo.org will be native kde soon though;)
[03:19] <_tek> evolution is the only one that is a gnome app
[03:19] <phxguy> Im using ndiswrapper
[03:20] <billytwowilly> sorry, gtk using app.
[03:20] <billytwowilly> pan is quite decent too.
[03:20] <billytwowilly> and synaptic.
[03:20] <brainkilla> kontact wipes the floor with evolution
[03:20] <_tek> <---hates evolution
[03:20] <Quinn_Storm> the only gtk app I use regularly is gaim...unfortunately kopete is far behind it in features (even if it is nicer-looking)
[03:20] <_tek> yeah!!! another MS knockoff. if it sucks on windows why is it better on linux?
[03:21] <billytwowilly> I liked evolution more than kontact in kde 3.3, but 3.4 kontact seems better to me.
[03:21] <_tek> agreed quinn, same here
[03:21] <Tm_T> I use TB
[03:21] <brainkilla> c'mon, just look the menus in evolution...
[03:21] <Tm_T> heh
[03:21] <Quinn_Storm> maybe once gaim gets their act together & releases libgaim properly we'll have a good kopete
[03:21] <brainkilla> actions, with 22 entries!!!
[03:21] <Tm_T> Quinn_Storm: why not use gaim ?
[03:21] <billytwowilly> I don't know why people rag on kopete so much.
[03:21] <Tm_T> I like gaim =)
[03:22] <Quinn_Storm> Tm_T: well #1 I use the menu-at-top-of-screen, and #2 gaim is rather ugly compared to kopete
[03:22] <phxguy> I only like kopete because it supports being invisible on yahoo
[03:22] <brainkilla> billytwowilly: kopete rocks
[03:22] <Quinn_Storm> Tm_T: but I do like gaim better than any other option I've seen
[03:22] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: gaim can do that, just checked
[03:22] <phxguy> i haven seen where
[03:23] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: its under the away settings, per-account
[03:23] <Tm_T> :)
[03:23] <phxguy> ah okay...
[03:23] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: click on the away thingy, pick your yahoo account out of the popup menu & pick invisible
[03:23] <brainkilla> I have an amarok problem...
[03:23] <brainkilla> it hangs all the time
[03:23] <Quinn_Storm> brainkilla: I'd advise #amarok
[03:23] <Tm_T> when gaim get dcc transfer then there's not a sincle flaw
[03:24] <Tm_T> single :p
[03:24] <phxguy> thats quite a task under gaim... in Kopete it shows the protocol icon at the bottom in the statusbar.. I just click on that and then Click invisible
[03:24] <brainkilla> Tm_T: been there, done that
[03:24] <Tm_T> =)
[03:24] <brainkilla> no help
[03:24] <Quinn_Storm> billytwowilly: yeah with msn kopete is decent but that's the -only- protocol its decent about
[03:24] <Tm_T> heh
[03:24] <billytwowilly> there aren't any other protocols worth using;) All my friends are on msn.
[03:24] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: its not that much of a task, in fact its the same basic idea just with a popup menu instead of a box of icons (which yes I do like better, like I said I like kopete's interface but gaim's functionality)
[03:24] <billytwowilly> well, maybe jabber
[03:24] <Quinn_Storm> billytwowilly: for jabber, gaim is far better
[03:25] <Tm_T> :)
[03:25] <Quinn_Storm> I run a jabberd myself so I know
[03:25] <billytwowilly> all my friends tell me psi is what to use for jabber.
[03:25] <Tm_T> ok, guys, it's 0427 so I'm off ->
[03:25] <Quinn_Storm> billytwowilly: psi...its decent but not really a qt app and it doesn't support muc config
[03:25] <Quinn_Storm> billytwowilly: err its not really a kde app, it -is- qt
[03:26] <phxguy> any wireless people care to help with my issue?
[03:27] <phxguy> my wireless works fine if i use the 386 kernel but not in the 686 kernel
[03:27] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: then use the 386 kernel :-P
[03:27] <phxguy> ndiswrapper (ndis_init_one_usb:191): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device (C0010006)
[03:28] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: yeah you won't be able to fix that, b/c of ndiswrapper & how windows drivers work
[03:28] <samuel> heloo
[03:28] <phxguy> Quinn_Storm:  I have over 885MB of physical memory so I need the 686 kernel
[03:28] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: you do? I've never heard of the 386 kernel having trouble with that...
[03:28] <samuel> thats enought RAM
[03:28] <billytwowilly> phxguy: That's called being between a rock and a hard place;)
[03:28] <samuel> thats almost one gig of RAM
[03:29] <phxguy> yup in Kubuntu an ubuntu HIMEM is disabled by default in the 386 kernel... There is a wiki on it
[03:29] <Quinn_Storm> phxguy: ahh, well then recompile the 386 kernel
[03:29] <phxguy> billytwowilly: Yeah good Thing I dont need my wireless too much.
[03:29] <phxguy> recompiling kernels is not my thing
[03:30] <phxguy> would not know where to begin
[03:30] <billytwowilly> It's actually not that hard.
[03:31] <samuel> Does all here use ubuntu?
[03:31] <Quinn_Storm> I started on slackware...I learned relatively early on how to make menuconfig...not that I have recently
[03:31] <Quinn_Storm> samuel: yeah, I think most of us do
[03:31] <samuel> whats a favotire Distro?
[03:31] <phxguy> ive done it in the past several years ago on RH but i didn have much luck.
[03:31] <samuel> Favorite!
[03:32] <billytwowilly> favotire is so much more interesting;)
[03:32] <samuel> 
[03:32] <samuel> sorry.
[03:32] <samuel> i like ubuntu. 
[03:32] <samuel> but
[03:33] <samuel> there is something i don't like.
[03:33] <samuel> and that is sudo.
[03:33] <samuel> no root.
[03:33] <phxguy> sudo  just takes some getting use to... its like using an ergonomic keyboard for the first time
[03:34] <samuel> true
[03:34] <billytwowilly> or you could get rid of it like I did and be happy;)
[03:34] <phxguy> it really pisses you off at first but after awhile its no big deal
[03:34] <billytwowilly> having no root password is really lame, thankfully it is easy to fix.
[03:34] <samuel> true
[03:35] <samuel> i  like root though
[03:35] <phxguy> yup it is an e-z fix
[03:35] <samuel> i got used to it.
[03:35] <phxguy> i did it though i dont use it much
[03:35] <samuel> i wonder when they are going to fix that.
[03:36] <samuel> you know installation things.
[03:36] <phxguy> as i understand it. That was by design
[03:36] <samuel> is a pain.
[03:36] <xlogik> has anyone played cube?
[03:36] <samuel> very adict it.
[03:36] <phxguy> nope
[03:36] <samuel> i love that game.
[03:36] <xlogik> ok i have a prob
[03:36] <samuel>  how about frozen B.
[03:37] <samuel> whats is it?
[03:37] <samuel> may we can help you.
[03:37] <phxguy> if its not part of the package i havent played it :/
[03:37] <xlogik> how do i link to the sdl
[03:37] <samuel> whats do you mean?
[03:38] <phxguy> how do create a root terminal icon on my desktop?
[03:38] <samuel> hey guys tell where are u talking from.
[03:38] <mindbreeze> Ohio here
[03:38] <xlogik> error: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file
[03:38] <_tek> <-- Silicon Valley
[03:38] <samuel> whoaaa.
[03:38] <samuel> How do you hear about linux>
[03:39] <phxguy> <- the name says it all here
[03:39] <samuel> i love linux.
[03:39] <_tek> research scientist at a nanotech conference about 8 or 9 years ago
[03:39] <billytwowilly> <-- home of bioware
[03:39] <phxguy> i wouldnt go that far.... it still has a long way to go
[03:39] <samuel> what was the first inpresion you guys had>
[03:39] <phxguy> though i must say  I haven used windows in a couple weeks.
[03:40] <phxguy> I only need it now for itunes
[03:40] <billytwowilly> my buddy told me about it. I installed deadrat 5.4 and promptly switched back to windows
[03:40] <samuel> lol
[03:40] <samuel> now you are in linux.
[03:40] <samuel> i live in california.
[03:41] <samuel> i know a lot of technician that know linux.
[03:41] <billytwowilly> redhat 5.4 = the major suck. I didn't use linux full time until mandrake 8.something
[03:41] <phxguy> I might be moving back to California.... Home Sweet Home
[03:41] <samuel> for the name only.
[03:41] <mindbreeze> anyone recommend a good VNC server
[03:41] <_tek> i started with slackware and redhat 4.2 years ago, never looked back on the server. about 6 months later i stop using windows completely. now i only use windows when i am fixing someones broken ass box. i charge $100.00 to use windows.
[03:42] <_tek> i fix it, wash my hands and give them the bill
[03:42] <samuel> cooool.
[03:42] <samuel> you got to love that one.
[03:43] <samuel> tek. you think linux it will become more famous in America.
[03:43] <_tek> i could never use windows and do everything i take for granted now in linux.
[03:43] <phxguy> I must say though my experience with Ubuntu/Kubuntu has been my easies best experience with any linux Distro
[03:43] <_tek> its happening here last because microsoft is an american company but yes it is taking off in big ways.
[03:43] <samuel> how about  suse 9.1
[03:44] <samuel> true.
[03:44] <samuel> we are the LINUX messanger
[03:44] <samuel> we have to let people know the power of LINUX.
[03:44] <_tek> don't like suse but i think novell will make the changes to it to bring it back from where it is to something corporate america can use.
[03:44] <_tek> if your an engineering type you probably like suse
[03:45] <samuel> may be.
[03:45] <phxguy> what do yll think about mandrakes new name mandriva
[03:45] <samuel> Whattt?
[03:45] <samuel> love the old nme.
[03:45] <samuel> old school rules.
[03:45] <samuel> always.
[03:45] <phxguy> the new name will take some getting use to for sure
[03:45] <_tek> wacked but it solves most of their legal issues, i fucks their branding though
[03:46] <samuel> whats going on with mandrake?
[03:46] <_tek> they can not help but drop the ball i have watched it now for years.
[03:46] <_tek> sad
[03:46] <billytwowilly> I don't know what is up with mandrake. I'm a mandrake club member and they haven't told me.
[03:47] <samuel> haa how weird.
[03:47] <_tek> i like mandrake, i am actually a mandrake solutions provider
[03:47] <phxguy> I used to  like mandrake. but it seems to have become to commercial
[03:48] <samuel> cool.
[03:48] <_tek> they just keep screwing up though. they fire on only half the cylinders
[03:48] <samuel> true.
[03:48] <samuel> but freedon is whats matter.
[03:48] <_tek> corporate server 3 which came out in nov still does not have any urpmi sources for it and no way to apply security updates
[03:48] <samuel> i run Linux in A XP pro With VMware.
[03:49] <_tek> should be doing it the other way around. i run windows in vmware in kubuntu
[03:49] <phxguy> I have never had any luck with Any kind of windows Emulation such as wine or anything else
[03:49] <samuel> Me neither.
[03:49] <phxguy> Would be real nice if there was a package for linux that installed in the sameway as VirtualPC does for the Mac
[03:49] <_tek> i have used wine, crossover, win4lin and vmware
[03:50] <_tek> co-authored a book on windows to linux migrations. i wrote the two chapters on desktop linux
[03:50] <samuel> well i have try crossover.
[03:50] <samuel> i actually have the new version 
[03:50] <samuel> 4.0
[03:50] <samuel> i try vmware.
[03:51] <samuel> same problem dont know how to run Command
[03:51] <phxguy> vmware isnt free though
[03:51] <samuel> to eun xp
[03:51] <samuel> yes there is.
[03:51] <phxguy> neither is crossoffice or whatever its called
[03:51] <samuel> Vmware is free.
[03:51] <samuel> they have a beta .
[03:51] <samuel> for free.
[03:52] <samuel> for both Windose and LINUX.
[03:52] <samuel> i have them.
[03:52] <samuel> i did install vmware in suse 9.1
[03:52] <phxguy> how hard is it to install?
[03:52] <samuel> did not know how to run XP pro.
[03:53] <samuel> is a rpm
[03:53] <samuel> and a package.
[03:53] <samuel> i got both.
[03:53] <samuel> so in suse  i used RPM
[03:53] <samuel> installation went smooth.
[03:54] <samuel> i never try it the source.
[03:54] <_tek> i installed vmware just this week on kubuntu, was easy
[03:54] <samuel> ok.
[03:54] <samuel> then.
[03:54] <samuel> let me try.
[03:55] <phxguy> _tek are there any dependencies involved
[03:57] <samuel> i hate dependecies.
[03:57] <samuel> have any you try xandros?
[03:58] <phxguy> I did and I hated it
[03:58] <phxguy> Its such a retarded Distro
[03:58] <phxguy> Makes linux look bad
[03:58] <Roey> hi
[03:58] <Roey>  I do grub-install /dev/sda and I get:  dev/md0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.   What's wrong?? btw, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb make several raid1 volumes.
[03:59] <samuel> have no clue
 need the kernel source, header files and gcc
 yes, have installed it for a few customers.
[04:00] <samuel> really.
[04:00] <samuel> how they like it,
[04:01] <samuel> i'm amazed how they are going to use this distro.
[04:01] <_tek> ok, i have also installed kubuntu for a few customers too, along with every other version of linux
[04:01] <phxguy> is the kernel source part of the normal ubuntu install
[04:01] <_tek> no it it not.
[04:01] <samuel> double boot?
[04:01] <_tek> double boot, triple boot.... you name it.
[04:01] <phxguy> where do i get the header files
[04:01] <Roey> ok I tried using grub directly and doing root (hd1,0) and setup (hd1,0) and now I get:   Running "embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd1,0)"... failed (this is not fatal)     Running "embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd1,0)"... failed (this is not fatal)  Segmentation fault 
[04:01] <samuel> cool,
[04:01] <Roey> ?? what is this?
[04:01] <_tek> same place you get the source
[04:01] <phxguy> can i synaptic all this... Im sure i already have gcc install
[04:02] <samuel> easy to get gcc in ubuntu.
[04:02] <_tek> yes you can get it all via synaptic
[04:02] <samuel> have no clue whats sy.
[04:02] <phxguy> where do i get vmware package
[04:03] <samuel> i just type apt-get install gcc
[04:03] <samuel> and that it.
[04:03] <_tek> from vmware's website
[04:03] <phxguy> ill have to check it out
[04:03] <samuel> vmware.
[04:03] <phxguy> are you on here alot
[04:03] <phxguy> or regulaarly
[04:03] <samuel> go to vmware.com
[04:03] <_tek> intermittently, depends. i work from home alot but i am also out doing service calls frequently
[04:04] <samuel> hey tek are u A++
[04:04] <samuel> ?
[04:04] <phxguy> which vmware do i downnload
[04:04] <_tek> just cause you see me logged in does not mean i am here.
[04:04] <samuel> for ubuntu get the source.
[04:04] <_tek> A++   lol, no... my background was hardware engineering before i started doing this
[04:05] <_tek> im a bit beyond A++
[04:05] <samuel> cool.
[04:05] <phxguy> im on the vmware site now and dont see anything for ubuntu on the download page
[04:05] <samuel> it was just a?
[04:05] <_tek> there is nothing for ubuntu just grab the source files
[04:05] <samuel> hang on it.
[04:05] <phxguy> ah okay ill try it later gotta take off for a while
[04:05] <phxguy> ca
[04:06] <_tek> L8tr
[04:06] <samuel> how funny this people are in hurry.
[04:07] <samuel> hey tek
[04:07] <samuel> are u there?
[04:07] <_tek> yeah
[04:08] <jsubl2> gaim allows you to conference in more than 1 buddy on a chat..  i don't see that in kopete. am i missing it
[04:08] <_tek> downloading a bunch of tools right now for a windows repair cd
[04:08] <samuel> hey i dont know how i got VMware for free.
[04:08] <_tek> you got the 30 day trial
[04:08] <samuel> nope.
[04:08] <samuel> it was a beta thing.
[04:08] <_tek> cant tell ya then
[04:08] <_tek> brb
[04:08] <samuel> yeath .
[04:09] <samuel> funny.
[04:09] <samuel> full version.
[04:09] <samuel> i been using it for 3 moth now.
[04:10] <samuel> hey tek have u try it beOS zeta.
[04:10] <samuel> ?
[04:11] <samuel> yes beOS Zeta?
[04:11] <_tek> nope
[04:12] <_tek> its the old be OS right? 
[04:12] <_tek> the multimedia OS that failed
[04:12] <samuel> yes
[04:12] <samuel> but they throw a new version.
[04:12] <samuel> is called zeta.
[04:13] <_tek> seen it, Be came in and demo'd it for our group at cisco
[04:13] <samuel> really.
[04:13] <_tek> way back when... yes
[04:13] <samuel> have not tri it the new version.
[04:13] <_tek> before they filed bankruptcy
[04:14] <_tek> not interested in it really. i really only like linux, have a powerbook G4, with Mac OSx. hate it
[04:14] <_tek> sucks compared to linux, slow as hell.
[04:15] <samuel> true.
[04:15] <samuel>  now tell me why did you bought a expensive shi))))
[04:16] <_tek> looks nice, but i can not stand it, i am not as productive on it, really sucks because it looks awesome. need to get kubuntu on it if i am to use it though
[04:16] <samuel> and very slow tcreature.
[04:16] <sorin> Is there a way to setup process priorities for certain apps?
[04:16] <samuel> how fast is it?
[04:16] <_tek> because i fix computers for a living and people bring me mac's too. i have been fixing them and learning as i go. thought i might as well drop a bit of cash to know it better.
[04:17] <_tek> 876Mhz
[04:17] <samuel> dann>
[04:17] <_tek> or 867 something like that
[04:17] <samuel> that is slow.
[04:17] <sorin> _tek: Sppeaaking of apple, I just ordered an iPod today.
[04:17] <samuel> cool.
[04:17] <samuel> how big?
[04:17] <_tek> my old vaio is a 700mhz and its totally fast and usable
[04:17] <samuel> 20G.
[04:17] <samuel> ?
[04:17] <_tek> bought an ipod when i was in japan, more money there but i was going crazy with no music
[04:18] <_tek> i might sell mine, i really don't have alot of need for it, or try to hack it or something. put linux on it.
[04:18] <sorin> I'm going crazy with no music during the morning traffic.  American radio is pathetic.  I press those buttons like it was a keyboard.
[04:18] <samuel> cool
[04:19] <sorin> I couldn't stand it anymore, so  I bought one for my sanity.
[04:19] <_tek> my big project right now is a car-puter
[04:19] <samuel> you can do it.
[04:19] <_tek> i have it built but can not get the touchscreen to work correctly and the bluetooth keyboard is not recognized
[04:19] <samuel> it mater of power.
[04:19] <_tek> no its not.
[04:19] <_tek> this runs on 12 volts
[04:20] <sorin> why aren't gtk libs kept in memory so gtk apps start faster?
[04:20] <crimsun> sorin: eh?
[04:20] <crimsun> sorin: they are.
[04:20] <_tek> its a 1Ghz with a gig of ddr2700 ram and a 250 gig HD, whole thing is 8"x8" x4"
[04:21] <samuel> hey tek talking about gtk. How do i install it ?
[04:21] <_tek> apt-get install <filename>
[04:21] <sorin> crimsun, not after you kill the last gtk app
[04:21] <samuel> i try it did not work.
[04:21] <_tek> have you uncommented your sources.list file in /etc/apt/
[04:21] <samuel> a try apt-get install gtk
[04:22] <crimsun> sorin: that would be rather stupid of Linux, which doesn't work that way last I checked...
[04:22] <samuel> i dont know if there is another command
[04:22] <crimsun> sorin: there's at least a flush schedule built into the vm
[04:23] <samuel> a try apt-get install gtk some thing.
[04:23] <_tek> gtk is a set of libraries, like libgtk-cil
[04:23] <_tek> run this, apt-cache search gtk
[04:24] <samuel> found it.
[04:24] <sorin> apt-get install firefoox
[04:24] <sorin> itt will install the gtk crap
[04:24] <sorin> better get gtk-qt too
[04:24] <samuel> but the funny thing was that i try to install mozilla.
[04:25] <_tek> ok, got to get back to work. L8tr 
[04:25] <samuel> all right.
[04:25] <samuel> l8ter.
[04:26] <samuel> nice to talk to you tek
[04:26] <samuel> samiya909@juno.com
[04:26] <samuel> write me any time.
[04:27] <samuel> hey guys.
[04:28] <sorin> can any of you play di.fm streamms in amaroK?
[04:29] <samuel> not really.
[04:29] <samuel> i new to linux.
[04:29] <samuel> the tek guy just left.
[04:31] <samuel> does any body like computers here?
[04:31] <_tek> not in amarok but in kaffeine and xmms yes
[04:31] <sorin> amaroK crashes
[04:31] <_tek> keeps crapping out though. yeah i havent gotten amarok to work yet, havent spent any time on it either though.
[04:31] <samuel> hey tek finished?
[04:32] <_tek> no, just switching back and forth between systems on my kvm
[04:32] <sorin> xine: couldn't find demux for >http://64.236.34.196:80/stream/1003<
[04:32] <samuel> tek i did try to play movies in my player.
[04:32] <sorin> Kaffeine does not work either
[04:32] <samuel> but there is a problem.
[04:32] <sorin> i got mp3 installed. what's it smoking
[04:32] <_tek> kaffeine  works for me.
[04:32] <samuel> sound no pic.
[04:33] <samuel> what do you think is the proble.
[04:37] <_tek> not to say it doesn't crash on me all time
[04:39] <samuel> i try to install xine lib.
[04:40] <samuel> at the of the ./configure said error
[04:40] <samuel> zlib not found
[04:40] <samuel> zlib needed
[04:40] <crimsun> samuel: apt-get build-dep libxine1
[04:40] <samuel> ok
[04:40] <samuel> let me try that.
[04:41] <samuel> cool
[04:41] <samuel> its working
[04:42] <samuel> i did try this from the source.
[04:42] <samuel> jess i have a long way to go.
[04:42] <sorin> can kubuntu repartition the hard drive and leave windows intact, or do I have to use partition magic?
[04:43] <samuel> i never try that one from linux.
[04:43] <samuel> i think you can do it with .
[04:43] <samuel> pqpartition Packae.
[04:43] <samuel> qp i dont remenber exacly the name.
[04:44] <samuel> but this works as partition magic.
[04:44] <samuel> in linux boxes.
[04:49] <samuel> crinsum?
[04:49] <samuel> are u there?
[04:49] <_tek> lol....http://www.ilovebacon.com/040605/c.shtml
[04:50] <crimsun> samuel: ?
[04:51] <samuel> hey when you finished
[04:51] <samuel> all the installation.
[04:51] <samuel> the apt does aeverything.
[04:51] <samuel> or you have to another command.
[04:51] <samuel> use a command.
[04:52] <crimsun> samuel: are you asking me something or telling me something?
[04:53] <samuel> ok you told me how to get  the xine lib as apt blabla.
[04:53] <samuel> so my question is.
[04:54] <samuel> when you put the command apt-get .
[04:54] <samuel> does install the lib by default.
[04:54] <samuel> or you have to give a command.
[04:55] <samuel> to finish the installation.?
[04:55] <crimsun> samuel: the apt-get build-dep <package>  command installs all listed build dependencies for a package. You'll then compile the package and install it.
[04:55] <samuel> how do i know where to find it.
[04:56] <samuel> does send it to /usr/
[04:56] <samuel> or other?
[04:59] <samuel> hey crimsun.
[05:00] <_tek> ok, this is both funny and kind of gross. http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/cat_steve_dont_eat_it.php 
[05:01] <samuel> can anybody tell me what to do in this command to finish thwe installation apt-get build-dep libxine1
[05:02] <crimsun> samuel: that's all done. Now you actually need to compile the source of whatever program you were trying to compile, which I guess would be xine-lib?
[05:02] <samuel>  i get it now.
[05:02] <samuel> i though the lib was included in the apt-get command
[05:03] <samuel> kind of a exe press igree next you are done.
[05:07] <ice_1963> i installed flashplayer lol i installed gnome =)
[05:13] <samuel> how do i start mpalyer
[05:13] <samuel> Mplayer.
[05:13] <samuel> if is not in the menu.
[05:16] <samuel> Can any body give a command to start Mplayer.
[05:18] <glass-eye> anyone successfully gotten kontact to work with exchange?
[05:20] <samuel> nobody is at home.
[05:20] <samuel> the kde 3.4 is nice
[05:20] <samuel> very nice.
[05:20] <_tek> exchange??? ****cringing on the floor****
[05:22] <_tek> i understand why you might need to do that but i can not help you. i do not work at all with exchange... postfix, sendmail, even qmail if you really force me but not exchange
[05:23] <claydoh> samuel: in a colsole, gmplayer will open the gui, though mplayer is more cli driven or used as a backend to other gui apps
[05:23] <glass-eye> _tek: i know, but my work uses it...
[05:23] <_tek> there is a gui-mplayer but i don't know if its in kubuntu yet
[05:23] <_tek> yeah, i figured as much. sorry i can not help you. 
[05:24] <glass-eye> if i can get my mail to work in linux i am almost free of microsoft as far as my desktop is concerned
[05:24] <glass-eye> i can use imap to get my mail, its actually the calendar i guess
[05:24] <claydoh> though I do seem to have a menu for it
[05:24] <_tek> i would go check out the kolab page only because they do talk about exchange up there a bit if i recall correctly
[05:24] <glass-eye> _tek: thanks
[05:25] <_tek> sorry can't be of more help
[05:26] <_tek> you might need the connector peice to connect to exchange, cant recall what its name is though
[05:28] <_tek> i know it was needed for evolution to connect to exchange.
[05:32] <clayasaurus> *quiet*
[05:39] <kkathman> hey all :)
[05:42] <kkathman> howdy chavo :)
[05:42] <chavo> hello
[05:45] <Tm_T> uuh
[05:45] <Tm_T> sshfs <3
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[06:03] <kakalto> Yo.
[06:07] <kakalto> if I have a 7-in-1 card reader, and I plug an SD card in, will it auto-mount?
[06:10] <samuel> nice sleep
[06:20] <kakalto> ?
[06:21] <zabu> very weird firefox keeps crashing
[06:21] <kakalto> :(
[06:22] <kakalto> tried going into synaptic, and marking firefox for re-installation?
[06:22] <zabu> nope i shoudl try that
[06:25] <kakalto> zabu, good luck :)
[06:26] <kubuntero> hello
[06:26] <kakalto> hey
[06:26] <kubuntero> i have a problem with amarok
[06:27] <kakalto> okay...
[06:27] <kubuntero> sound
[06:27] <kubuntero> not working
[06:27] <kubuntero> :S
[06:27] <kakalto> is there no sound on mp3's?
[06:28] <kakalto> have you installed the akode-mpeg package?
[06:28] <kubuntero> NO
[06:29] <kakalto> okay, go into synaptic or kynaptic (either, doesn't matter)
[06:29] <kubuntero> kynaptic :-)
[06:29] <kakalto> then do a search for akode , and select the mpeg package
[06:29] <kakalto> install
[06:30] <kakalto> then either reboot or type "killall artsd" at the terminal
[06:30] <kakalto> but I g2g
[06:30] <kakalto> sorry
[06:30] <kakalto> bye
[07:13] <nitestar> hello
[08:09] <kkathman> so it seems a bit dead in here tonight :)
[08:10] <markc> what is the LAN browsing software on kubuntu ?
[08:10] <kkathman> LAN Browsing?
[08:11] <kkathman> What are you trying to do exactly?
[08:11] <kkathman> Like look at files on other systems on your network?
[08:12] <markc> look for windows shares from an M$ box
[08:12] <kkathman> sure
[08:12] <kkathman> markc: Did you set up Samba on your Linux box?
[08:12] <markc> I think it used to be called Lisa or something but I'm not sure what app to look for or install ?
[08:13] <markc> no, not yet
[08:13] <kkathman> ahh ok...
[08:13] <kkathman> markc: Heres a good link for you:  http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html
[08:13] <kkathman> its the previous version of Ubuntu, but the instructions to set up Samba are identical
[08:14] <kkathman> Just go there, scroll down to where it talks about Samba and it will walk you right through it
[08:14] <markc> thanks :)
[08:14] <kkathman> If you have trouble, let me know I just did it
[08:15] <markc> so when installed, what interface do you use to find and copy files to another M$ box ?
[08:15] <markc> just the lan:// kioslave.. or ?
[08:15] <kkathman> The most common is Konqueror
[08:16] <kkathman> thats the easiest
[08:16] <markc> using lan:// ?
[08:16] <kkathman> You start it, click on Network Folders
[08:16] <markc> as the url
[08:16] <kkathman> no, actually its smb://
[08:16] <markc> AH!!!! right, seen that stuff, never used it before :)
[08:16] <kkathman> Im sure you wont have a problem...but let me know if you do
[08:17] <markc> 'k, thanks again
[08:17] <kkathman> There are a few tricks you have to do to "see" your windows machines at the command line, but you might not have to do that
[08:17] <kkathman> unless you just want to
[08:19] <smouche> hey kkathman, how ya doing?
[08:19] <kkathman> howdy there smouche!! Good to see ya :)
[08:19] <kkathman> Got that windows box all up and humming ?
[08:19] <smouche> spreading the Samba gospel, I see...
[08:20] <smouche> Well, it's humming
[08:20] <smouche> Very loudly
[08:20] <smouche> but I yanked the cat5 out of that bastard!
[08:20] <kkathman> uh oh that doesnt sound good
[08:20] <kkathman> why's that?
[08:21] <smouche> no -- no problem, just want to do a thorough virus scan again, and maybe reinistall XP
[08:21] <smouche> I'm just using it to watch TV at the moment
[08:21] <kkathman> ahhh good idea :)
[08:21] <smouche> kkathman -- not to backseat drive, but I was reading your dialog with markc, and I thought I should reiterate, 
[08:22] <smouche> that if someone only wants linux to see and use the windows shared folders
[08:22] <smouche> you don't actually need to install samba
[08:22] <smouche> you only need the smb-client, which I think is in kubuntu by default
[08:23] <kkathman> well, if you are ON the linux client, and want to see and use the Windows files, thats somewhat true
[08:23] <kkathman> but
[08:23] <smouche> that's what I assumed his case was...
[08:23] <kkathman> if you are ON the windows machine and want to get something from the linux box, you have to install all the Samba stuff
[08:23] <abinadid> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22913     this is the link for a kde theme does anybody know how to install a theme???
[08:23] <smouche> oops
[08:23] <smouche> no, not oops
[08:24] <smouche> markc, you there?
[08:24] <kkathman> abinadid: yanno, I've never done that
[08:24] <abinadid> no instructions
[08:24] <kkathman> Way I look at it, smouche, is that it doesnt hurt to get Samba up and going, and really makes things open up
[08:25] <smouche> heh heh, well I guess my bias is -- I want linux to have an eye on the windows box, but I'd prefer windows to not even sneak a glance at my linux 'puter!
[08:25] <kkathman> smouche point well taken :)
[08:25] <kkathman> I wanted to set up a single Linux box as a network file server, then I want SOME folders on my other linux box to be seen by Windows boxes, but not others
[08:26] <kkathman> so Samba was a necessity
[08:26] <kkathman> cuz then you can control the read and writeability in the smb.conf
[08:26] <smouche> I just think people should check the network folders destination in the konq menu, and see if their windows shares show up there first, and if they need more, then tackle Samba server
[08:27] <smouche> yup.  I'll be trying something like that myself eventually.
[08:27] <kkathman> smouche: mine did, but I found out I was very limited...and ran into problems with permissions...for instance, I could be on my Linux box and copy something from a win box over, but couldnt "move" it
[08:28] <kkathman> Cuz, in Linux an "mv" command is the same as a Copy and Delete in Windows
[08:28] <smouche> "move it" ?  Ah, you mean so it's gone from windows?  Well, I think that's actually wise -- albeit confusing if you don't want dupes!
[08:28] <kkathman> and without Samba, Linux cant "delete" something on the Win box
[08:28] <kkathman> for obvious reasons
[08:28] <smouche> ah, thank you -- good to know-- I was wondering about that
[08:29] <kkathman> I was surprised I could copy :)
[08:30] <smouche> I was surprised I could create directories and write text files etc onto the ntfs share from linux with just the smb-client, but I can -- 
[08:30] <smouche> but I'm surprised by everything lately ;-)
[08:30] <kkathman> rofl
[08:30] <kkathman> Im surprised you can do that too
[08:30] <smouche> no lie
[08:30] <kkathman> I guess as long as you dont delete you are cool
[08:31] <kkathman> I mean, its only a matter of time that you are on a win box and you need something...so you spend a few minutes following the instructions, then you never have to worry about it again
[08:32] <smouche> It's so much faster than windows "Network Neighborhood" !
[08:32] <kkathman> ROFL...I know dead bodies that are faster than Network Neighborhood
[08:32] <smouche> what a piece of crap that is!
[08:33] <kkathman> Well, like Ive said before, when you are nearly the only game in town...you dont have to be friendly or efficient
[08:33] <kkathman> but I find myself cursing M$ WIndoze more these days, cuz its so slow
[08:33] <smouche> well, this weekend, if I manage to preserve myself a weekend instead of caving into work demands for Saturday, 
[08:34] <kkathman> yah I have some web development I seriously need to get done this weekend
[08:34] <smouche> I'm gonna 1. clean up my desktop machine and 2. set up a new router and wireless network
[08:34] <smouche> and then the fun begins
[08:34] <kkathman> I got the graphics done, finally, so I can do the rest on the Linux box
[08:35] <smouche> heh heh
[08:35] <kkathman> A buddy of mine told me that CompUSA was having a "midnight madness" sale and selling 100 GB drives for like $45
[08:35] <smouche> oh yeah -- they kind of teed my off --
[08:35] <kkathman> if thats the case I might buy me a couple
[08:36] <smouche> I was walking into the store one afternoon, about 4:00
[08:36] <smouche> and saw one of those signs
[08:36] <kkathman> I have an old Dell computer that the drive went out on it...if I put a new one in, should make a decent Linux box
[08:36] <smouche> no way I was gonna drop some dough in there if I'm thinking, I should wait until midnight!
[08:36] <kkathman> right
[08:36] <smouche> yeah
[08:37] <smouche> I should look for that ...
[08:37] <kkathman> but I picked up this nice aluminum case that you can just drop a hard drive into, and then connect to your USB. Voilla instant back up
[08:37] <smouche> so, given you do so much graphics work, what about a mac? any advantages there?
[08:38] <kkathman> smouche: Probably so, but Macs are very expensive
[08:38] <smouche> kkathman, does that thing work well?  I got burned on some of those cases before, but that was years ago, usb1, or crappy firewire...
[08:38] <kkathman> and I dont do that HEAVY of stuff on graphics, just more than gimp can do :)
[08:38] <smouche> I hear you -- 
[08:39] <kkathman> well I just got this one last weekend to help a client move some files...and it worked like a champ
[08:39] <kkathman> USB 2.0 too, so it was fast!
[08:39] <kkathman> Shoot, XP recognized it without any software needing to be loaded
[08:40] <smouche> hmmm; I wonder how something like that would be for my laptop with linux...
[08:40] <kkathman> guess I'll give that to XP, its good about plug and play :)
[08:40] <kkathman> smouche: probably good, and I paid only $40 for mine
[08:41] <smouche> I love my external USB 2 harddrives, but there huge!  quiet though.  Haven't tried to mount them on the linux box yet
[08:41] <kkathman> see one of my linux boxes is 40 gb, the other is like 15
[08:42] <kkathman> Im using the 15 as a file servier right now...but if I can grab a couple of 100's then that will really boost the thing 
[08:42] <smouche> yep kkathman, plug and play, and (for me anyway) a real fast boot -- I like XP on the whole; but only 'cause I put some effort into finding good apps for it, and keeping it as clean as possible
[08:42] <kkathman> and I dont even run a desktop manager on the file server
[08:42] <kkathman> agree with that smouche
[08:43] <smouche> I still think you should consider a mac mini as a server kkathman -- at least for music, etc 
[08:43] <smouche> too small a drive though
[08:43] <smouche> but they're so quiet! 
[08:43] <kkathman> Wow for a while I had a bad ace music system...I used Cubase SX and had alot of software ... composed alot of things
[08:43] <smouche> and you can just set the damn thing on top of your monitor!
[08:44] <kkathman> but then my web business picked up
[08:44] <smouche> cool!
[08:44] <kkathman> and to do the music synthesis, you gotta tweak the machine pretty good
[08:44] <kkathman> so I offloaded the stuff, in hopes to get back to it at a later date
[08:45] <smouche> I've fooled around a lot with cooledit, recording my (bad) guitar playing(?) and manipulating the hell out of it, lots of fun
[08:45] <kkathman> sure...its great to do...I used to love doing it..but it wasnt profitable like web design :)
[08:45] <smouche> I'm trying to like this Audacity thing on linux (used it on windows too), but I prefer cooledit
[08:46] <kkathman> smouche: you really shoult make sure you configure Kontact and get news feeds from kde-app
[08:46] <smouche> got any urls for work you've done? any portfolio or anything?  just curious
[08:46] <kkathman> they send out RSS feeds all the times about new things
[08:47] <kkathman> Yeah, actually some things on a Church CD we did I wrote and arranged
[08:47] <smouche> you're right kkathman
[08:47] <kkathman> but not on URLS...but if you are interested I could rip the mp3s
[08:47] <smouche> I've got that little news ticker applet in the panel going, but it's not that great
[08:47] <smouche> heh heh
[08:48] <kkathman> what I did was subscribe to kde-app and kde-look's rss feed
[08:48] <smouche> I was actually talking about the web design!
[08:48] <kkathman> plus a few others..like yahoo
[08:48] <kkathman> Ohhh sure...
[08:48] <kkathman> hehe www.proactivate.net   and www.fbccoppell.org are two of the most recent ones
[08:49] <kkathman> both are in what I would call "phase one" of development...getting ready for further expansion soon
[08:49] <smouche> oops - I opened that with konq!
[08:49] <smouche> I think you deserve firefox, mate
[08:49] <smouche> heh heh
[08:50] <smouche> very nice!
[08:50] <kkathman> I just found out that my opera doesnt have flash....haha
[08:50] <kkathman> thanks!
[08:50] <smouche> nor konqueror!
[08:50] <smouche> lol
[08:50] <smouche> looks great in firefox
[08:51] <kkathman> See my konq does have flash :)
[08:51] <kkathman> you can point konq to your mozilla flash plug and it works
[08:51] <smouche> very nice flash work on proactivate there, kkathman.  
[08:53] <smouche> can you do that with opera, too, set the flash plugin the same way?
[08:53] <kkathman> I dunno...Im checking
[08:53] <_tek> yes, you can, have not done it in a long time though. sorry to interrupt
[08:53] <_tek> opera can use all of the plugins of every other browser if you install them in it.
[08:53] <smouche> I'm using elinks more and more -- hmmm
[08:54] <kkathman> btw...on that second link I gave you..one of my songs I arranged, is listed...go to Ministries...Music and scroll to the bottom and choose the first CD, play "Shine on Us" Im also singing background on that piece too
[08:54] <smouche> hey, very nice
[08:54] <smouche> proactivate.net is very nice on text based browser...
[08:54] <smouche> I always like that
[08:54] <kkathman> thanks _tek I will check into that
[08:54] <smouche> thanks _tek
[08:54] <kkathman> smouche: Its because I use CSS alot
[08:55] <smouche> good for you!
[08:55] <smouche> fewer freakin' tables, eh?
[08:55] <smouche> elinks is awesome!  Lynx I had trouble with...
[08:57] <kkathman> I need to find where my flash plugin is first then I can point to it in Opera
[09:00] <kkathman> well I found it, but opera wont let me put it in
[09:00] <smouche> cool tune!
[09:01] <kkathman> thanks :)
[09:01] <smouche> heh heh, you're reminding me of all the plug-in hassles I use to have with opera/netscape/mozilla etc...
[09:01] <kkathman> shoot, Opera wont let me enter /.mozilla/
[09:01] <kkathman> I guess becuase its a "hidden" file
[09:01] <smouche> sudo?
[09:01] <kkathman> how do you make something not hidden?
[09:02] <kkathman> like a directory?
[09:02] <smouche> heh, well I use a keyboard shortcut for that
[09:02] <smouche> oh
[09:02] <smouche> you mean, actually unhide it?
[09:02] <smouche> just remove the . before the name
[09:03] <smouche> nifty
[09:03] <smouche> much easier than windows
[09:03] <smouche> but that shouldn't be the problem--
[09:03] <smouche> more likely ownership
[09:04] <kkathman> nah... but see the directory is /home/kkathman/.mozilla/plugins
[09:04] <kkathman> but apparently Opera, filters out anything that has a . in it
[09:05] <kkathman> well Im gonna fake it out tho..hehe
[09:05] <smouche> unhide it, remove the .  
[09:05] <smouche> ?
[09:05] <smouche> I don't think that file NEEds to be hidden
[09:06] <smouche> interesting -- I'm shocked that opera would not have that covered ...
[09:08] <kkathman> hehe
[09:08] <kkathman> heck yeah I got the plugin to work :)
[09:09] <kkathman> what I did was copy the plugin to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[09:09] <smouche> I hate the way firefox opens a new tab when media files are streamed!
[09:09] <kkathman> then put that directory in Opera in the plugin directory....bada boom bada bing
[09:10] <smouche> cool!
[09:10] <kkathman> occassionally the human wins :)
[09:10] <smouche> lol
[09:12] <kkathman> I do wish Firefox was more performant on my system....Opera just flies and so does Konq
[09:12] <kkathman> but Firefox just drags
[09:12] <smouche> well, following your wise counsel, I have a notebook right here, writing down these strategies
[09:12] <kkathman> I figure I may have to do it again someday so better to leave some breadcrumbs :)
[09:13] <smouche> excellent
[09:14] <smouche> well, another thing on my looong list -- install Opera again, and then figure out why it looks so horrible on here... 
[09:14] <smouche> hey, how did the newsreader work out, kkathman?
[09:15] <kkathman> it works well smouche, and there's even a built in icon I found when I put it on my desktop
[09:15] <kkathman> not bad at all
[09:15] <kkathman> Knode is its name
[09:15] <smouche> newsgroups is its game
[09:16] <kkathman> lol yep
[09:16] <smouche> all right, I got to get back to -- not sleeping... ugggg
[09:17] <smouche> I am actually too lazy to go to bed
[09:17] <smouche> now, that's lazy
[09:17] <kkathman> lol
[09:17] <kkathman> thats bad
[09:18] <smouche> well, at least I get a lot of reading done!  ;-)  
[09:18] <smouche> nice talkin' at you pal -- be seein' ya!
[09:35] <BlackLabel> hi ppls
[09:54] <partecs> Hi ppl
[09:54] <partecs> I nstalled kubuntu
[09:54] <partecs> but my resolution is 600x480
[09:55] <partecs> i tried some stuffs with xorg.conf, like removing all other resolutions and just keeping 1024x768
[09:55] <partecs> but stii it comes to 600x480
[09:55] <partecs> My xorg.cond says the screen is screen
[09:56] <partecs> butin control Center it says it is screen1
[09:56] <partecs> anybody ideas
[10:09] <BlackLabel> is there a way to open konqueror as root
[10:13] <allee> partecs: check /var/log/X*0.log  and see what resolutions are autodetected (btw. it never hurts to list gfx card, monitor/laptop)
[10:14] <allee> BlackLabel: several.  One is kdesu konqueror
[10:18] <BlackLabel> ok
[10:50] <Rat> hi ppl
[10:51] <Rat> im having probs connecting ot the net thro a net work i have the defualt gateways set up and got an ip add
[11:29] <kakalto> g'night
[11:51] <pd_> hi ppl
[11:52] <pd_> I installed kubuntu on my pals desktop
[11:52] <pd_> but it only gives a resolution of 600x400
[11:52] <pd_> the control centre does not gve any options
[11:54] <\sh> hmmm...sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[12:17] <verden01> Hi
[12:35] <verden01> Hu
[12:35] <verden01> Hi
[01:13] <cspnico> h
[01:13] <cspnico> hi
[01:13] <cspnico> how to see his webcam on kaffeine?
[01:26] <verden01> Hi
[01:39] <Fhigo> at least.. i HAVE kubuntu now ^^
[01:39] <Fhigo> but another question
[01:40] <Fhigo> how to add sources in kynaptic?
[01:47] <verden01> you can't directly add sources to Kynaptic
[01:48] <Fhigo> why not?
[01:48] <verden01> you have to edit your etcaptsources.list
[01:48] <Fhigo> hmm
[01:48] <Fhigo> thats shit .. it that going to change sometimes?
[01:48] <verden01> i would think so
[01:48] <Fhigo> ok
[01:48] <Fhigo> hehe
[01:48] <verden01> just download synaptic
[01:49] <Fhigo> ok
[01:49] <Fhigo> but this kde is really nice
[01:49] <Fhigo> :)
[01:49] <Fhigo> i like it so much
[01:49] <verden01> you can use synaptic with KDE
[01:49] <Fhigo> yeah
[01:49] <Fhigo> i know
[01:50] <Fhigo> i just said so ^^
[01:50] <amu> ....... http://www.kubuntu.de/party/ the kubuntu release party :)     
[01:50] <Fhigo> he he
[01:50] <luke> hey does anyone know of any screenshots of longhorn anywhere?
[01:50] <verden01> why
[01:51] <verden01> who cares :-)
[01:51] <Fhigo> who wants longhorn ^^
[01:51] <Fhigo> ;)
[01:51] <luke> just curious as to what it looks like :P
[01:51] <Fhigo> what about google.de ? ;)
[01:51] <verden01> i'm only joking
[01:51] <verden01> i want winxp x64
[01:52] <Fhigo> what the hell?
[01:52] <Fhigo> really?
[01:52] <luke> does it exist?
[01:52] <Fhigo> u WANT?
[01:52] <luke> lol
[01:52] <Fhigo> are u crazy?
[01:52] <verden01> there is a beta thats been out for a while
[01:52] <luke> I'm fully against windows..
[01:52] <Fhigo> << 2
[01:52] <verden01> hey i dual boot with WinXP
[01:52] <Fhigo> omg ^^
[01:53] <verden01> but use Linux 90% of the time
[01:53] <luke> what for?
[01:53] <Fhigo> why u use windoze?
[01:53] <luke> yeah down with windows!!
[01:53] <verden01> because i like some of the programs that it has
[01:53] <verden01> i've been using linux for about 4 years now
[01:54] <Fhigo> and which progz?
[01:54] <verden01> mainly video editing 
[01:54] <Fhigo> ahh
[01:54] <Fhigo> ok
[01:55] <luke> are there any good video editing programs for linux?
[01:55] <Fhigo> so tell me plz verden01 where is the etcaptsourcelist?
[01:55] <Fhigo> luke: yeah kino
[01:55] <Fhigo> the best of it all
[01:56] <verden01> go to your home folder in konqueror
[01:56] <verden01> look in the /etc folder
[01:56] <Fhigo> ok
[01:56] <verden01> hey does kino work ok
[01:56] <Fhigo> of course
[01:56] <Fhigo> with firewire
[01:56] <verden01> cool
[01:56] <Fhigo> of course ^^
[01:56] <verden01> i have a sony digital 8 handycam
[01:56] <Fhigo> yeah
[01:57] <verden01> i hope it supports it
[01:57] <Fhigo> watch out
[01:57] <Fhigo> dunno
[01:57] <Fhigo> but nearly everything works now
[01:57] <verden01> sweet
[01:58] <verden01> what sources do you want to add  Fhigo ?
[01:58] <Fhigo> winme
[01:58] <Fhigo> wine
[01:58] <verden01> oh ok
[01:58] <Fhigo> hmm
[01:58] <verden01> to run windows programs  :-)
[01:58] <Fhigo> but cant find the list
[01:58] <Fhigo> the file
[01:59] <Fhigo> in the /etc?
[01:59] <Tm_T> Fhigo: /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:59] <Fhigo> ohhh
[01:59] <Fhigo> apt
[01:59] <Fhigo> ^
[01:59] <verden01> yeah
[01:59] <Fhigo> ;)
[01:59] <Fhigo> nice thanx
[02:00] <osoh> hi all
[02:00] <luke> lets hope longhorn is beter. it doesn't look too much different to use. do you think the code will be much beter than xp?
[02:00] <Fhigo> sup osoh 
[02:01] <verden01> well you would hope so
[02:01] <Fhigo> ok
[02:01] <Fhigo> so 
[02:01] <Fhigo> ttyl guys
[02:02] <luke> hey have you had many crashes using kubuntu?
[02:02] <Fhigo> nope
[02:02] <Fhigo> kubuntu rulz ^^
[02:02] <luke> it does. I've had it nearly a week and I'm loving it
[02:02] <Fhigo> yeah
[02:02] <verden01> only when i try to open kate
[02:02] <Fhigo> i've got it .. 1 h now ;)
[02:02] <luke> nice
[02:03] <Fhigo> but i used to have ubuntu bevore
[02:03] <Fhigo> before
[02:03] <Fhigo> ^^
[02:03] <Fhigo> okay.. ttyl ;)
[02:03] <luke> cya
[02:03] <verden01> so do you like kubuntu luke 
[02:03] <luke> yeah. I came from xandros. I killed that while I was installing ubuntu, but thats ok, xandros sucks
[02:04] <verden01> did youhave the restricted edition
[02:04] <luke> after I got ubuntu I found out about kubuntu and installed kde
[02:04] <verden01> how does ubuntu work with kde installed
[02:05] <luke> I think I've had it crash about once over a week. and konqueror crashed quite a few times, but I've heard thats still being worked out
[02:06] <verden01> i just have kubuntu and have used Libranet for a long time and kubuntu is great
[02:07] <verden01> how long have yu been using ubuntu luke?
[02:08] <luke> not even a week now. I bought a copy of an old one, and updated the whole system, and then installed kde
[02:08] <verden01> and everything upgraded ok?
[02:08] <verden01> so you had the old warty one
[02:09] <luke> yeah sweetly. thats a feature I love about it -- that you can ubdate the whole system, no need to download a new distro or set it all up again. yeah I bought a copy of warty and updated it
[02:09] <verden01> shit ubuntu gave those cd away
[02:10] <verden01> i got about 10 posted from ubuntu
[02:10] <luke> yeah I know. I couldn't be bothered waiting. xandros sucks
[02:10] <verden01> hahaha
[02:10] <verden01> how long have you been using linux?
[02:10] <luke> not long, about 12 weeks?
[02:11] <imo> re
[02:11] <verden01> cool
[02:11] <luke> yeah I'm fully against windows:p too mainstream, I like to be different
[02:11] <verden01> different is good
[02:12] <luke> yes. very
[02:12] <verden01> well being a nzlander means your different  :-)
[02:13] <luke> windows prety much rules the computer world, I don't want to help someone succeed who has already successed. yeah I love nz!! :D 
[02:13] <verden01> well i'm an aussie so i had to get that in
[02:13] <luke> hahaha
[02:14] <verden01> don't worry i won;'t start on the sheep lokes
[02:14] <luke> where in aussie?
[02:14] <verden01> Adelaide
[02:14] <verden01> jokes
[02:15] <luke> hahahaha I'm in the city, no sheep near me!
[02:15] <verden01> do you know adelaide
[02:16] <luke> yeah
[02:16] <verden01> really!
[02:16] <verden01> i'm out near Gawler
[02:16] <luke> well, I know it's in australia:P
[02:17] <verden01> hahaha
[02:17] <luke> I wonder when debian or ubuntu will update gaim..
[02:18] <verden01> ubuntu will when debian does  if that makes any sense
[02:18] <verden01> ubuntu is debian
[02:18] <luke> yeah that makes sense
[02:18] <verden01> but modified
[02:18] <luke> debian is way behind in it though.
[02:19] <verden01> i've tried many of the small not so bloated debain base ddistros and kubuntu has to be one of the best
[02:19] <verden01> do you have "universe' repositories enabled 
[02:20] <luke> I've just tried fedora core 3, xandros and now ubuntu and kubuntu. yeah always. so much more things available. 
[02:20] <verden01> cool
[02:20] <luke> so long as you know what you're downloading you're sweet
[02:20] <verden01> well most debian base ddistro's just work
[02:21] <verden01> i'm using kubuntu x86-64 and its great
[02:21] <luke> so you've got an amd64?
[02:21] <verden01> you get a good idea of what to download as you learn more
[02:22] <verden01> like k3b would have to be one of the best programs of its kind
[02:22] <verden01> yeah
[02:22] <verden01> AMD64 3500+ 
[02:22] <luke> yeah definately. it's up in the ranks of programs you'd pay money for :P and the gimp is really good too
[02:23] <verden01> it sure is
[02:23] <luke> brb
[02:23] <verden01> k
[02:29] <luke> I'm back 
[02:30] <verden01> cool
[02:30] <verden01> it must be late over there
[02:31] <luke> 12:30. we're going to the south island though, leaving at like 1 or 2, so I'm just not going to bed
[02:32] <verden01> driving?
[02:32] <luke> yeah, dad is. going with olds
[02:33] <verden01> hahaha
[02:34] <verden01> whats the age over there to get your learners
[02:34] <verden01> 16?
[02:34] <luke> it's 15. I'm 16 and just got it last weekend
[02:34] <verden01> cool
[02:35] <verden01> so why don't you drive  :-)
[02:36] <luke> no insurance, and dad wont let me without insurance and I hardly know how to drive, I would if I could :p how old are you?
[02:36] <verden01> so how far apart are the two islands?
[02:36] <verden01> too old 
[02:36] <verden01> probably old enough to be your dad :-)
[02:36] <luke> haha how was I to know? :p
[02:37] <verden01> but i have a very young attitude
[02:37] <verden01> well thats right you never know on chat unless you ask
[02:37] <luke> thats right..
[02:38] <verden01> do you get on a ferry to go across to the south island
[02:38] <luke> yup
[02:38] <verden01> cool
[02:38] <verden01> i've never beb to nz yet
[02:38] <verden01> been
[02:39] <verden01> but will one day, i heard its great
[02:39] <luke> you should come over it's an awesome place
[02:39] <verden01> i know
[02:39] <verden01> everyone i know who has been there loves it
[02:40] <luke> haha all the more reason for you to :-)
[02:40] <verden01> :-)
[02:42] <Tm_T> hullo
[02:50] <buz> where can i get those kaffeine ubuntu3 packages?
[02:50] <buz> not in the reps, thats for sure
[03:11] <TayloR> Ello all
[03:39] <mirak> hi
[03:39] <Tm_T> buz: depends what repos you have in your sources.list
[03:40] <Tm_T> hullo :)
[03:40] <buz> mhh main, updates, universe, multiverse
[03:40] <buz> (all ch.archive)
[03:40] <buz> oh and marillat
[03:40] <Tm_T> hm, try breezy then :)
[03:40] <Tm_T> there's already some packages
[03:42] <buz> url?
[03:42] <buz> or wiki page?
[03:52] <reagleBRKLN> anyone use juk?
[03:56] <buz> am i gonna kill my machine if i upgrade to breezy?
[04:05] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: I use mostly
[04:05] <Tm_T> in my jukebox
[04:06] <reagleBRKLN> i really like juk except for this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=303905 . do you have this problem? i thought it was a deb thing, but in kubuntu too
[04:06] <reagleBRKLN> (e.g., the musicbrainz function ctrl-i)
[04:06] <Tm_T> eh, kubuntu is deb based
[04:06] <SuperCatFrog> hello all
[04:06] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:07] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: I don't use musicbrainz so no trouble here =)
[04:08] <mirak> hi
[04:08] <reagleBRKLN> Tm_T could you try it for me, just hit ^i on some song?
[04:08] <Tm_T> hmm, ok
[04:08] <mirak> what is the name of the meta package for kubuntu ?
[04:08] <mirak> kubuntu-dekstop ?
[04:08] <Tm_T> kubuntu-desktop yes
[04:08] <mirak> everything is in the repository ?
[04:09] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[04:09] <mirak> is it possible to install kubuntu-dekstop and ubuntu-dekstop at the same time or are they exclusive ?
[04:09] <Tm_T> yes you ca have both
[04:09] <mirak> ok
[04:09] <Tm_T> cancan
[04:10] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: heh, error :p
[04:10] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: but so what?
[04:10] <reagleBRKLN> Tm_T ok, so the error isn't just me. There's a bug in the juk package.
[04:10] <Tm_T> eh, why you need that musicbrainz?
[04:11] <reagleBRKLN> to retag/rename poorly tagged/named mp3s
[04:11] <Tm_T> eh
[04:12] <Tm_T> I don't have poorly tagged mp3s because I rip my music myself
[04:12] <Tm_T> jontiz: hullo
[04:12] <reagleBRKLN> Tm_T ok. im too lazy. i dnld songs i even have on CD
[04:12] <Tm_T> hoh
[04:12] <Boogieman> hello
[04:15] <Boogieman> what is the password for the root account on kubuntu?
[04:17] <Boogieman> i want to use my old home directory, but it dont work
[04:17] <Boogieman> kde has no write access
[04:18] <xamdm> Boogieman, there is no root password
[04:18] <xamdm> Boogieman, use sudo with jour userid
[04:19] <buz> or do sudo passwd to set a root pw
[04:19] <xamdm> Boogieman, ;-)
[04:19] <buz> (that's what every normal linux user does ;-)
[04:19] <Tm_T> yes
[04:19] <xamdm> buz, i never understood why they did this strange sudo stuff ...
[04:19] <Tm_T> got root? ;p
[04:20] <buz> who knows
[04:20] <Tm_T> xamdm: so the newbies don't brake their linux right away ;p
[04:20] <Boogieman> i have to change the user id on my old /home? right?
[04:20] <buz> to me, its even more insecure to me
[04:20] <buz> like this i meant
[04:20] <Boogieman> but how i do it?
[04:20] <buz> gf interrupted me typing
[04:20] <buz> sudo passwd
[04:20] <buz> it wants your users password
[04:21] <Boogieman> dont tell me rtfm, that what i do now and i dont understand it
[04:21] <buz> just do it ;-)
[04:21] <Boogieman> just tell me the right command and everything is fine
[04:21] <buz> after that you get normal root access
[04:21] <xamdm> Boogieman, try a chaow -R username:username /jout old home
[04:21] <xamdm> chown
[04:22] <Tm_T> heh
[04:22] <Tm_T> chaow :p
[04:22] <xamdm> .... damn keyboard
[04:22] <Tm_T> kkkkkkkkkathmann!
[04:22] <kkathman> howdy there Tm_T !
[04:22] <xamdm> need a connection directly to the Brain :-)
[04:22] <Tm_T> :)
[04:22] <Tm_T> xamdm: that's not a good idea
[04:22] <xamdm> Tm_T, why ??
[04:23] <Tm_T> I trust more my cloumsy fingers than messy brain
[04:23] <Boogieman> xamdm what is /jout?
[04:24] <segfault2k> hi :D
[04:24] <xamdm> Boogieman, typing too fat, "jour old home" (path)
[04:24] <xamdm> fast
[04:25] <xamdm> args, hatemy keyboard ;-)
[04:25] <Tm_T> your
[04:25] <Tm_T> jour ? ;p
[04:26] <Tm_T> there's a bit difference =)
[04:26] <Tm_T> I thought my enlish was terrible :p
[04:26] <Boogieman> xamdm it dosent work
[04:26] <Tm_T> +g
[04:26] <Boogieman> i dont have the rights for it it says
[04:26] <Tm_T> Boogieman: do it as a root
[04:26] <xamdm> Boogieman, jou need to relogin and try it with a sudo chown ...
[04:27] <Tm_T> or as a root
[04:27] <Boogieman> the same with sudo does the same
[04:27] <kkathman> howdy there membreya !
[04:27] <membreya> ello kkathman :)
[04:27] <Tm_T> membreya o/
[04:27] <membreya> Tm_T: \O/
[04:27] <Tm_T> uh, huge head you got
[04:28] <membreya> that's what the girls say when i ask them out :(
[04:28] <kkathman> oooooooooooo
[04:28] <Boogieman> and sudo passwd asks for a password. when i enter one it is not right and when i just press enter it does nothin
[04:28] <membreya> anyone know if there's a command to find out what package belongs to what repo?
[04:28] <Boogieman> +g
[04:28] <xamdm> Boogieman, no permissions with sudo ??, what FStype ??
[04:29] <Boogieman> ext3
[04:29] <Boogieman> if you mean that
[04:29] <kkathman> if you know the package, cant you look it up over at packages.ubuntu.org?
[04:29] <xamdm> Boogieman, yes i did, sry for my bad english
[04:29] <kkathman> maybe not
[04:29] <xamdm> Boogieman, do jou have a working root account now ??
[04:30] <Boogieman> i dont know
[04:30] <xamdm> Boogieman, ok, do a sudo su
[04:30] <membreya> oooo the google logo today :D
[04:30] <segfault2k> xamdm: when you ask for "FStype", ask only for filesystem
[04:30] <segfault2k> :P
[04:30] <kkathman> sorry its packages.ubuntu.com
[04:30] <xamdm> segfault2k, thx
[04:30] <segfault2k> np
[04:30] <Tm_T> membreya: yes, davinci's 553th birthday
[04:31] <Boogieman> i dont have a working root account
[04:31] <segfault2k> how r ur designs
[04:31] <membreya> damn he's old
[04:31] <Tm_T> or something
[04:31] <Tm_T> membreya: just like me
[04:31] <xamdm> segfault2k, was talking to the guy who made the orginal Picture, i'm allowed to use it :-)
[04:31] <kkathman> membreya: you can search for the package there and it will tell you what repo its in
[04:32] <xamdm> segfault2k, what about jour grubsplash ??
[04:32] <xamdm> Boogieman, are jou in Kde ??
[04:32] <membreya> kkathman: ta :) the package I was after is transcode..which is in marillat :P but packages.ubuntu.com doesn't have that :P
[04:32] <kkathman> ohhh I gotcha
[04:33] <Boogieman> sudo su asks for a password, there i pressed enter and it returns to the bash
[04:33] <xamdm> Boogieman, the password is jpou User Password
[04:33] <kkathman> membreya: is marillat ok to use with hoary now?
[04:33] <xamdm> your
[04:33] <Boogieman> xamdm if i can come into kde i wont be here and asking about user ids
[04:33] <membreya> Boogieman: what not do a sudo -s -H
[04:33] <membreya> kkathman: nfi :P
[04:33] <membreya> what's marillat anyhoo? :P
[04:34] <kkathman> its just another repository for packages
[04:34] <Tm_T> eh
[04:34] <segfault2k> [10:32]  <xamdm> segfault2k, what about jour grubsplash ?? <-- im doing right now :P
[04:34] <membreya> :P i use an amd64 marillat because it has a lot of packages not available to the normal repos :P
[04:34] <segfault2k> but with full support of colors :D
[04:34] <kkathman> you can put it in your sources.list, but of course, ubuntu peeps dont "support" it unless its in their repos
[04:34] <Boogieman> ok i'm root now
[04:34] <membreya> Boogieman: using what command?
[04:35] <kkathman> membreya: makes sense..I have an AMD64 box, but its running XP
[04:35] <xamdm> segfault2k, how can this be done ??, is ther a patched version off grub ??
[04:35] <membreya> kkathman: evil man
[04:35] <segfault2k> no
[04:35] <segfault2k> a re-made image
[04:35] <segfault2k> with only the colors that grub support
[04:35] <Boogieman> chown -R username:username /old-home < this now xamdm ?
[04:35] <xamdm> Boogieman, now try the chown ..
[04:35] <kkathman> membreya: I know....beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks
[04:35] <xamdm> Boogieman, yes
[04:35] <segfault2k> equals a great splashimage, and without loosing colors
[04:35] <Boogieman> membreya i used sudo su and my user pass
[04:35] <membreya> kkathman: *cringes* ..it's cheques ....the same as it's a queue
[04:35] <membreya> gah
[04:36] <xamdm> segfault2k, good, tell me when it is uploaded
[04:36] <kkathman> membreya: and colour not color right?
[04:36] <membreya> and favour..and favourite
[04:37] <membreya> and odour
[04:37] <kkathman> seee, too many more keystroke in your life :)
[04:37] <Boogieman> xamdm i got some input-output errors for some unimported files and no other messages
[04:37] <membreya> and screw americans..changing the spelling of sulphur...wtf is with that!
[04:38] <alfons> Guys; my sound card doesn't work in Kubuntu
[04:38] <kkathman> hmmm Ive always spelled it that way...what other way is there?
[04:38] <kkathman> but them I was a biochem minor too
[04:38] <membreya> alfons: give it a pay rise
[04:38] <membreya> kkathman: as of the early 90's americans changed it to sulfur
[04:38] <alfons> hmm
[04:39] <kkathman> but I refuse to call an elevator a lift, or a car trunk a boot
[04:39] <kkathman> I gotta draw the line somewhere :)
[04:39] <membreya> and a ute is not a "truck" a truck is like a kenworth ..a *shudder* "big-rig"
[04:40] <membreya> mind you the size of some of those Ford F series...
[04:40] <Boogieman> xamdm kde works now
[04:40] <xamdm> Boogieman, good
[04:42] <buz> just updated to breezy
[04:42] <buz> system still works it seems
[04:42] <kkathman> ute?????    thats just the mascot of the University of Utah :)
[04:42] <kkathman> Or and particular Indian tribe for that matter
[04:42] <membreya> lol ute...as in "utility"
[04:43] <kkathman> hmm you guys talk funny :)
[04:43] <membreya> so ...what's a "fanny" ? :P
[04:43] <kkathman> a fanny???  uhmm...well slang here for what you would call an "arse"
[04:44] <membreya> exactly :P ...st00pid
[04:44] <segfault2k> rlz :D
[04:44] <segfault2k> my splash rlz :D
[04:44] <kkathman> but that doesnt really make it in my vocab
[04:44] <membreya> and hey..at least we pronounce Z (zed) ...not zeeeeeeeee
[04:44] <membreya> in australia a fanny is slang for poontang :P
[04:44] <kkathman> Zed is a name of a backwoods person :)
[04:45] <bhna> how can i start the kwallet wizard
[04:47] <kkathman> Aluminum always intrigued me also :)
[04:47] <kkathman> but I found out the etiology of that
[04:47] <Boogieman> xamdm if i delete the /.kde folder will i see the standard kde look from kubuntu on the next start?
[04:47] <xamdm> Boogieman, hm, never tryied it
[04:48] <xamdm> Boogieman, why don't you use your settings ??
[04:49] <xamdm> Boogieman, ore renam .kde in .kde.org, so you have a backup ;-)
[04:50] <segfault2k> Kubuntu LineArt Grub Splashimage
[04:50] <segfault2k> :D
[04:50] <segfault2k> ksi.xpm.gz
[04:50] <segfault2k> =D
[04:50] <segfault2k> now im gonna test it :D
[04:50] <xamdm> segfault2k, im workin on something new, will upload it@ the end off the week, stay tunded :-)
[04:51] <Boogieman_> only one thing. where i find the midniight commander?
[04:51] <Boogieman_> -i
[04:51] <kkathman> damn windows
[04:51] <xamdm> Boogieman, ??
[04:51] <Boogieman_> ya??
[04:51] <xamdm> Boogieman, just type mc
[04:51] <membreya> kkathman: aluminum is the raw product..the ore..aluminium is the final product
[04:51] <Boogieman_> dont work
[04:51] <membreya> I declare a spelling jihad on the US!
[04:51] <xamdm> Boogieman, in a shell
[04:52] <xamdm> Boogieman, do a sudo apt-get install mc :-)
[04:52] <xamdm> Boogieman, im awy for a few minutes ...
[04:52] <kkathman> membreya: nah not really, aluminum is the thing itself..The raw material comes from bauxite. The metal was called aluminium up until around the mid 1920's when the American Chemical Society officially changed it to aluminum. Why?  No clue.
[04:52] <Boogieman_> packet not found
[04:53] <membreya> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[04:53] <membreya> die....die die die
[04:53] <membreya> well ..we still call it aluminium
[04:53] <membreya> but that's very interesting :) thankyou kkathman 
[04:53] <kkathman> yeah most of the world does
[04:53] <kkathman> shrug
[04:53] <membreya> I don't suppose you're interested in etymology at all ?
[04:54] <kkathman> actually I am...I took 2 years Latin and 1 year Greek....and repicking up Greek again
[04:54] <kkathman> but its not like I spend alot of time on it :)
[04:55] <membreya> http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements/13.html :) there you go ..was originally called aluminum but changed to aluminium to conform with the ium ending on elements :P
[04:55] <membreya> kkathman: what about crypo-zoology?
[04:55] <Boogieman_> i change computer back again in some seconds
[04:56] <Boogieman_> re
[04:56] <kkathman> membreya: crypto-zoology??? well, I have an undergrad in microbiology, minor in chem and math, and a MS in molecular genetics, but never heard of that :)
[04:56] <kkathman> please do tell :)
[04:57] <membreya> crypto-zoology...the abominable snowman, drop bears, big foot :)
[04:57] <membreya> urban myths :)
[04:58] <kkathman> annn
[04:58] <kkathman> ohh ok
[04:58] <kkathman> LOL
[04:58] <buz> crypto-zoology? women's statements are pretty cryptic to me....
[04:58] <kkathman> good thing to know thanks...nice to throw out at the next party :)
[04:59] <kkathman> buz: dont even go there....women have much more differences than just being the other sex...Im not sure they are really human.
[04:59] <buz> they're from venus, like they say
[04:59] <kkathman> not that I mind, but Im convinced they are really an alien life form that cohabitates here
[05:00] <kkathman> yes
[05:00] <buz> (some are hot, those come from the sun :-)
[05:00] <kkathman> lol
[05:00] <kkathman> some are not they are from he**
[05:00] <buz> that would actually make sense
[05:04] <kkathman> wow CompUSA is having a big sale tonight 6-midmight....120GB drives for $39.99 after rebate!!!
[05:07] <buz> too bad i don't live in the us
[05:08] <buz> actually, maybe i'm still glad i'm not
[05:08] <buz> is realplayer linux spyware infested too?
[05:08] <Tzalidar> does kubuntu ship kdevelop?
[05:08] <Tzalidar> and qt development stuff
[05:08] <buz> not on cd
[05:08] <buz> but its in the reps afaik
[05:08] <Tzalidar> ok
[05:09] <Tzalidar> does kubuntu use koffice or openoffice?
[05:09] <buz> openoffice by default
[05:09] <Tzalidar> (real question, can one install koffice from apt and its a version in ubuntu main or whatsit called and not universe)
[05:10] <buz> i think so
[05:10] <Tzalidar> cool :)
[05:10] <buz> but i have all reps in there so i don't really know
[05:10] <buz> its available, that's for sure
[05:10] <Tzalidar> cool
[05:10] <buz> (personally, i think koffice isn't quite useable if you need to deal with docs)
[05:10] <Tzalidar> yeah, openoffice has better .doc support
[05:10] <Tzalidar> but koffice is cool :)
[05:11] <buz> how can i figure out if mplayer uses w32 codecs?
[05:11] <buz> those realplayer streams don't really work
[05:11] <Tzalidar> how did you get mplayer?
[05:12] <Tzalidar> cuz marillat doesnt (didnt at least 4 days ago) have the dependencies
[05:12] <kkathman> buz: koffice?  What about Open Office?
[05:12] <Tzalidar> ubuntu 5.04 had newer stuff
[05:12] <buz> Tzalidar: from multiverse
[05:12] <buz> yeah
[05:12] <Tzalidar> ah ok
[05:12] <buz> it sucks, marillat uses newer libs
[05:12] <Tzalidar> ah ok
[05:12] <buz> you can still get the codecs from marillat i think
[05:12] <Tzalidar> ok
[05:12] <buz> or maybe not, i'm not quite sure how to tell :(
[05:13] <Tzalidar> ill get the live cd and try it out :)
[05:14] <buz> mhh this sucks
[05:14] <buz> why wont the realvideo stream play correctly
[05:14] <buz> first few frames work, then nothing at all
[05:16] <buz> WTF
[05:16] <buz> kaffeine, usually broken beyond any hope, works with the stream once i rip it
[05:16] <bhna> Tzalidar: kdeoffice cvs http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu-experimental/
[05:17] <buz> yeah i heartily recommend trying out krita
[05:17] <buz> beats the living crap out of gimp
[05:19] <segfault2k> the theme is ready :D
[05:20] <membreya> what theme? :|
[05:20] <segfault2k> grub
[05:20] <membreya> oooooooh
[05:20] <membreya> givusasquizz :)
[05:20] <segfault2k> ah?
[05:20] <membreya> let us see :P
[05:20] <buz> screenshot?
[05:21] <membreya> yaaaaaa
[05:21] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/grub_shot.jpg
[05:22] <segfault2k> a super ultra "camera" screenshot :D
[05:22] <segfault2k> sorry for the flash
[05:22] <segfault2k> :P
[05:22] <membreya> hahaha great screen shot :P
[05:22] <segfault2k> XD
[05:22] <membreya> if you wanna get rid of the flash use a delayed flash :)
[05:22] <segfault2k> the image didn't loose colors
[05:22] <membreya> k7...povo :P
[05:23] <segfault2k> povo?
[05:23] <membreya> poor :)
[05:23] <membreya> as in poverty
[05:23] <segfault2k> xD
[05:23] <segfault2k> how's the theme?
[05:23] <membreya> im soooo glad I got dmix and midi sequencer working :D
[05:23] <segfault2k> xamdm|afk: 
[05:23] <membreya> its...blue
[05:27] <segfault2k> :(
[05:27] <membreya> whuh?
[05:29] <buz> mhh why can xine play my realplayer stream just fine but not mplayer?
[05:29] <buz> (xine can't seek :-(
[05:29] <buz> actually, its no longer a stream, it now lives on my machine
[05:31] <CygnusX1> I have been somewhat of a pain about this.  I am sorry, I cannot figure it out.  I need kubuntu to pass the hostname to my DHCP server.  I can't even determine whether dhcpd, pump, or dhclient is being used.
[05:33] <membreya> CygnusX1: see if this site gives you some insight http://dhcp-agent.sourceforge.net/manual-new/dhcp-agent_11.html
[05:33] <membreya> oh wait
[05:33] <membreya> nvm :P
[05:35] <CygnusX1> membreya, is dhcp-client the default client in kubuntu?
[05:35] <membreya> CygnusX1: do you have dhcpcd installed?
[05:39] <CygnusX1> membreya, No, it shows as not installed in synaptic.  I see that dhcp3-client is installed
[05:40] <CygnusX1> And pump is not installed.
[05:40] <Tzalidar> wow!
[05:40] <Tzalidar> KDE 3.4 is really cool1 :D
[05:41] <membreya> hang on CygnusX1 
[05:41] <CygnusX1> Okay. So, /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ... I need to add send host-name "NEPTUNE"
[05:45] <membreya> I believe the line is DHCP_HOSTNAME=neptune
[05:45] <zack> fyi folks, i maintain Debian's kaffeine packages and nobody has reported the problems you guys are having :/
[05:47] <CygnusX1> membreya, send host-name "neptune" did the trick.
[05:47] <membreya> zack: my kaffeine crashes everytime I close it :P
[05:47] <membreya> oh ok :) CygnusX1 
[05:48] <CygnusX1> membreya, Thank you trememdously for your help though...I couldn't figure out what I had and where to look. :-)  This is my first foray into debian like OS.  Been a Slacker for years.
[05:53] <membreya> CygnusX1: strange how things seem simple once you know the answer :P
[05:53] <CygnusX1> :-)
[05:53] <omni_lonnie> zack:  mine too :(
[05:54] <SuperCatFrog> hi all, im back
[05:55] <zack> membreya, omni_lonnie: yeah, ubuntu users have been reporting the issue for a while now. like i said, though, debian users haven't.
[05:55] <zack> what kde version do you folks have?
[05:55] <membreya> 3.4
[05:55] <membreya> I voted with my feet and use VLC for the moment till it stops crashing ;)
[05:58] <SuperCatFrog> 3.4
[05:59] <buz> vlc works
[05:59] <SuperCatFrog> why is it always hot outside until about half an hour after you open the window?
[05:59] <buz> xine seems to work as well
[05:59] <buz> kaffeine ist entirely broken
[06:00] <CygnusX1> lol SuperCatFrog ... so true
[06:00] <zack> hmm
[06:00] <zack> i'm using 3.4 as well
[06:00] <zack> (i'm using debian, not ubuntu)
[06:00] <buz> it worked in the preview
[06:01] <buz> somewhere along the road it got hosed
[06:02] <zack> well, i've gotta go take a final exam. later :)
[06:02] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know which package contains the qt bindings for ruby? (ive taken _redrum_'s advice and am learning ruby)
[06:06] <_Peter> hi guys :)
[06:07] <_Peter> im having problems with rebuilding k3b. Im following the post
[06:07] <_Peter> but apt-get says it cant find the sources for k3b :-/
[06:09] <insanekane> _Peter: did you append a deb-source line into sources.list ?
[06:09] <_Peter> yes
[06:09] <insanekane> hrmm
[06:09] <_Peter> (of course)
[06:09] <insanekane> :)
[06:09] <insanekane> just checking
[06:09] <_Peter> im not a noob :-)
[06:09] <_Peter> im used to slackware
[06:10] <_Peter> but just to double check.. what entries do you have in your sources.list?
[06:10] <insanekane> dunno ... never checked on kubuntu
[06:10] <insanekane> though, i will be downloading all the sources soon for a rebuild
[06:11] <membreya> apt-get build-dep ..is that the command?
[06:11] <insanekane> _Peter: did you apt-get -f update after  u changed the sources.list ?
[06:12] <membreya> or apt-get source
[06:12] <_Peter> i didnt do the -f
[06:12] <insanekane> to get the source ?
[06:12] <membreya> apt-get source k3b
[06:12] <insanekane> _Peter: try -f
[06:12] <membreya> works fine for me
[06:12] <_Peter> this is what the post on k3b says:
[06:12] <insanekane> hrmmmm
[06:12] <_Peter> apt-get source k3b
[06:12] <_Peter>  apt-get build-dep k3b
[06:12] <_Peter>  apt-get install libmad0 libmad0-dev
[06:12] <_Peter>  cd k3b-0.11.23
[06:12] <_Peter>  dpkg-buildpackage -tc 
[06:12] <_Peter>  dpkg -i ../k3b_0.11.23-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ../k3blibs_0.11.23-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:12] <membreya> it comes down from uac
[06:12] <_Peter> uac?
[06:12] <membreya> erm auc even
[06:12] <membreya> archive.ubuntu.com
[06:13] <_Peter> Aalborg Universitet?
[06:13] <_Peter> lol :-)
[06:13] <membreya> lol
[06:14] <insanekane> lol
[06:15] <_Peter> !!
[06:15] <_Peter> still cant find that bloody package :-/
[06:16] <membreya> works perfectly for me :P
[06:16] <_Peter> !!
[06:17] <_Peter> can i get the lines you have in sources.list?
[06:17] <membreya> _Peter: check out my sources.list
[06:17] <membreya> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/sources.list
[06:17] <_Peter> thx :)
[06:17] <membreya> after you edit your list, don't forget to do the apt-get update :P
[06:19] <_Peter> im on it :)
[06:19] <_Peter> takes a while.. and one of them is down
[06:19] <membreya> :|
[06:19] <_Peter> ugh... .au
[06:19] <_Peter> that cant be too fast here in denmark :-)
[06:19] <membreya> ignore the au's :P
[06:19] <membreya> just use the top lines :P
[06:19] <membreya> dher
[06:20] <membreya> the ones for archive.ubuntu.com
[06:20] <membreya> ignore the mirror.isp.net.au and the cyberspace repo
[06:20] <_Peter> weee :-)
[06:21] <_Peter> fetching packages :-)
[06:21] <_Peter> thx for the help :-D
[06:22] <membreya> ;) np
[06:27] <membreya> mmm sweet sweet cigarette :P
[06:27] <_Peter> wurd?!? kubuntu does NOT install gcc?!?
[06:27] <membreya> _Peter: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:27] <_Peter> ok.. this is "minimal" install :-)
[06:27] <_Peter> aaahh.. thx :-)'
[06:27] <membreya> _Peter: no ..just build-essential isn't installed by default :)
[06:28] <_Peter> cigarette.. what a great idea
[06:30] <_Peter> hello Chin2 :)
[06:30] <Chin2> hello _Peter!
[06:30] <kkathman> welcome back membreya :)
[06:30] <membreya> friggin..2nd time in 2 days my KDE has done that
[06:31] <membreya> kicker disappears and doesn't come back :P I have to ctrl+alt+backspace
[06:31] <kkathman> membreya: or just type "kicker" at the command line
[06:31] <membreya> i had konsole open too ..dher :P
[06:31] <membreya> god I'm dumb
[06:31] <kkathman> membreya: Every time I open Quanta my kicker crashes for some reason
[06:32] <membreya> yeah normally it comes back though!
[06:32] <kkathman> membreya: something about a signal 11 whatever the heck that is
[06:32] <membreya> kde..so pretty..so tweakable..so unstable :P
[06:32] <kkathman> well, it is open source :)
[06:32] <_Peter> thats how it is with main releases
[06:33] <_Peter> just wait for 3.4.2
[06:33] <_Peter> ;P
[06:33] <kkathman> at least I dont get a blue screen of death
[06:33] <membreya> KDE 4's out this year :D
[06:33] <_Peter> LOL
[06:33] <membreya> no ..just kernel panics :D
[06:33] <kkathman> it just politely stops and sometimes restarts on its own
[06:33] <_Peter> which ver?
[06:34] <membreya> i have to admit though, i love konqueror..so fast :) plus it helps that I'm running squid :P
[06:34] <kkathman> I think this is 3.4 or 3.4.1
[06:34] <_Peter> kde is 3.4
[06:34] <kkathman> konq and opera run about the same on my system
[06:35] <kkathman> but firefox is a snail
[06:35] <membreya> firefox is gay
[06:35] <membreya> no disrespect to gays :)
[06:35] <membreya> poor windows freaks thinking firefox is "tha bomb"
[06:36] <membreya> !@#!$@@ KDE 4...konsole will do true alpha blending :D
[06:36] <_Peter> konq has made my rainy day over and over again :-)
[06:36] <kkathman> membreya:  I had someone tell me that firefox was "written for linux" so there was no way it could be worse than Opera or Konq..and I figured he was like 12 or something
[06:37] <_Peter> no.. he has just read news.msn.com ;-P
[06:37] <membreya> lol
[06:37] <Chin2> well, I'm a debian developer and I'm 11, so....
[06:37] <kkathman> LOL
[06:37] <_Peter> anyways.. thx for the Free Support(TM)
[06:37] <_Peter> and have a nice weekend!
[06:37] <membreya> you too _Peter :)
[06:38] <kkathman> Chin2: there are mature people and not-so-mature...irregardless of age I think :)
[06:38] <kkathman> cya Peter
[06:38] <membreya> irregardless? :P
[06:38] <Chin2> i was just kidding kkathman
[06:38] <Chin2> :)
[06:38] <kkathman> lol
[06:38] <SuperCatFrog> hi kkathman
[06:38] <kkathman> oops...good point membreya  I meant regardless
[06:38] <membreya> lol!
[06:38] <kkathman> hey SuperCatFrog  wassup?
[06:38] <membreya> I will never ever have faith in your pedantry again kkathman :P
[06:39] <Chin2> Konqueror killer ---> http://links.sourceforge.net/
[06:39] <membreya> Chin2: you mean lynx? :P
[06:39] <kkathman> membreya: thats like a habit I broke years ago..I grew up calling that appliance in your home a "hot water heater" until someone told me...uhmm.."Why do you need to heat hot water?"
[06:40] <kkathman> from then on...its just "a water heater"
[06:40] <kkathman> lol
[06:40] <membreya> I believe what you meant before was irrespective :P 
[06:40] <membreya> you just got confused..yes that's it
[06:40] <kkathman> ROFL
[06:40] <kkathman> senior moment membreya 
[06:40] <membreya> damn I'm impressed that KDE4 will let konsole do alpha blending :D :D :D :D
[06:40] <kkathman> or...could have been just a brain fart
[06:41] <rdholmes> i have a question...i mounted an ntfs drive with no problems on my system when i was home, no i'm at work and i am trying to mount anohter ntfs drive over a ssh connection. it seems like it mounted fine, but i can't access it - i get a permission denied error
[06:41] <SuperCatFrog> all - breezy is available for sources.list  (im not sure how long its been there, im just telling anybody who doesn't know)
[06:41] <membreya> rdholmes: sudo chmod 777 the mount directory
[06:41] <Chin2> que es breezy?
[06:41] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: breezy?  new to me...can you explain?
[06:41] <Chin2> breezy to wa nan desu ka?
[06:41] <membreya> breezy is the new version of ubuntu :)
[06:41] <membreya> only been out for a few days
[06:41] <rdholmes> cool, i'll try that
[06:42] <Chin2> is it breezy bullfrog bouncer or something like that?
[06:42] <kkathman> ahh... ie.  warty...hoary...breezy?
[06:42] <kkathman> where DO they get these names :)
[06:42] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - if you want updates other than security, put breezy in sources.list
[06:42] <psykik> ;) anyone knows a quick little hack on how to increase the monitor's resolution
[06:42] <membreya> kkathman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases
[06:42] <SuperCatFrog> psykik - control+alt+plus
[06:43] <kkathman> psykik: right click the desktop...configure desktop?
[06:43] <membreya> SuperCatFrog: ......lots of updates..VERY bleeding edge right now
[06:43] <kkathman> thanx SuperCatFrog and membreya 
[06:43] <SuperCatFrog> psykik - best way is probably to use krandrtray
[06:43] <psykik> thanks!!! but it's not the most perfect resolution
[06:44] <psykik> my xorg.conf file has too little resolutions
[06:44] <kkathman> anyone know a good "billing and invoice" open source that they can vouch for?
[06:44] <psykik> I've tried editing it through sudo
[06:44] <Chin2> scribus :)
[06:44] <psykik> but cannot access it 
[06:45] <insanekane> kkathman: cant vouch for it ... but there is a software from linuxcanada that i and a friend at evaluating ... its called quasar and it is a Qt app
[06:45] <kkathman> kewl insanekane I'll check that out...got a website for it?
[06:45] <kkathman> those of you into mindmapping and the like, theres a new kdissert out too
[06:46] <membreya> psykik: what arch you running?
[06:46] <SuperCatFrog> psykik - have a look at xorgconfig - that give you a console based wizard for your xorg.conf (although it needs some editing afterwards such as mouse = /dev/input/mice (iirc)
[06:46] <kkathman> membreya and SuperCatFrog do you guys know anything about scite?
[06:46] <membreya> nope.. I'm pretty dumb
[06:46] <psykik> I found it
[06:46] <psykik> thanks for the shortcut 
[06:46] <insanekane> kkathman: linuxcanada.com i believe
[06:46] <psykik> handy as well ;)
[06:46] <SuperCatFrog> never heard of scite - unless you mean skype 
[06:47] <insanekane> kdissert is a beautiful program ... unfortunately not a pure mindmap ... but very very good indeed ... i use for almost all my projects now
[06:47] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: nope, theres a new tool for php programming called phpwscite and they say its based on "scite" whatever that is
[06:47] <kkathman> just wondered if anyone knew..I'll do some research
[06:47] <membreya> I DON'T program
[06:47] <SuperCatFrog> o rite
[06:47] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - i use quanta for php
[06:47] <kkathman> insanekane: I used mindmanager on win...is it about like that or do you know?
[06:47] <membreya> bring back machine code I say..keep it pure
[06:48] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: me too
[06:48] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: but Im always on the look out for new tools 
[06:48] <Chin2> you can use Freemind in linux too: freemind.sf.net
[06:48] <insanekane> kkathman: havent used windows for about 4 years now
[06:49] <kkathman> insanekane: Im moving that way, just I cant find the graphics tools in linux quite yet that can pull me completely away
[06:50] <Chin2> kkathman, what sort of graphics work do you do?
[06:50] <insanekane> kkathman: i used to mindmap with a text editor .. and i miss the "graph" aspect of a mindmap and also want typing for node links ... if those 2 were implemented, then yahoo! for kdissert ...but those arent, and wont be even inthe long term future ...
[06:50] <Chin2> insanekane, have you tried freemind?
[06:50] <kkathman> Chin2: I do web design, and use Flash alot along with Photoshop (actually I use SWISHmax not Flash perse)
[06:51] <insanekane> Chin2: nope ... but will soon
[06:51] <kkathman> Gimp is a reasonable program, but not quite to that Paint Shop Pro/Photoshop level I need.  
[06:51] <insanekane> Chin2: and/or will be making my own
[06:51] <Chin2> kkathman, have you looked at crossover office?
[06:52] <Chin2> insanekane, freemind is pretty amazing if you check out .8 RC 2
[06:52] <kkathman> and to my knowledge there is NO flash creation tool available on Linux, and Macromedia has NO plans to support Linux at the last communication I got from them
[06:52] <kkathman> crossover office?  Nope
[06:52] <Chin2> kkathman, it allows you to run windows apps in Linux - PS 7 works great, don't know about swish.
[06:53] <kkathman> oh really?  so its like Wine?
[06:53] <Chin2> kkathman, it supports Flash MX though (so I hear)
[06:53] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - my gf's dad is finaly moving to linux pemanantly, as he learns more each time and finds replacements for his windows tools. this time he's managed it, using wine for xnews (everything else came with mandrake, and a nasty hack of a script i wrote for him to replace rar and quickpar)
[06:53] <Chin2> yeah, I think they share code with wine.
[06:53] <SuperCatFrog> anyway, the point it - try what you want in wine
[06:54] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: How does that work exactly in Linux?  I assume you install Wine or Crossover Office, but then what?  you fire it up and it looks like windows?
[06:54] <SuperCatFrog> oo - thanks kkathman - youve just given me an idea what to do in ruby, while im learning (a gui to my unrar + par2 glue script)
[06:54] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - you know the win32 api?
[06:55] <kkathman> SuperCatFrog: not really..but I know what api's are
[06:55] <SuperCatFrog> well wine is basically a reimplementation of the win32 api's
[06:55] <Chin2> kkathman, http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/
[06:55] <SuperCatFrog> except its not 100%, and it does stuff like path conversion (c:\ = /home/bob/.wine/myfakecdrive)
[06:56] <kkathman> I can conceptually understand that SuperCatFrog ,  but what I mean is..how do you take a Photoshop 7 disk for instance (for Windows) and install it on a Linux box...under wine?
[06:56] <Chin2> dang, iTunes works in crossover office :)
[06:57] <Chin2> kkathman, install routine is covered in this review: http://madpenguin.org/Article1513.html
[06:57] <SuperCatFrog> kkathman - easiest way to do it is to associate .exe's with the program 'wine', then double click the installer
[06:57] <kkathman> thanks Chin2 :)
[06:57] <SuperCatFrog> hopefully, it should install to your fake c drive, then you doubleclick (or create a link to) the application
[06:58] <Chin2> you might try Wine too if you don't want to shell out just yet :)
[06:58] <Chin2> kkathman, keep in mind that review is for 3.0 and current edition is 4.2
[06:58] <Chin2> anyway, it costs $40
[06:59] <membreya> hmmm need some babes for wallpaper..im tired of the sunset..any suggestions ? :)
[07:00] <SuperCatFrog> kde-look.org has a few
[07:01] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody in here know where i can get the kde or qt bindings for ruby?
[07:02] <kkathman> membreya: hehe...try Google...newsgroups
[07:02] <kkathman> I got some nice ones actually
[07:02] <membreya> noone does wallpapers in 1152*864 :\
[07:02] <membreya> oh well :)
[07:02] <membreya> NG's ...yuk
[07:02] <kkathman> membreya: go to 1280 x 1024
[07:02] <kkathman> then 1024 x 768 scales
[07:02] <membreya> kkathman: would love to ..my monitor stops me :)
[07:03] <kkathman> ahhh suckity suck
[07:03] <membreya> plus I run an amd64...my refresh rates are automatically selected by my system
[07:03] <membreya> no screwing around with the xorg config
[07:03] <SuperCatFrog> membreya - get svg wallpapers
[07:03] <kkathman> still thats 1.3333 to 1  so 1024 x 768 will scale to it easily
[07:04] <kkathman> or get 1280 x 1024 and should scale back...probably better too
[07:04] <membreya> whats SVG mean?
[07:04] <membreya> vector graphics?
[07:04] <kkathman> yep
[07:05] <membreya> sweet
[07:05] <membreya> zoom in ..noooooo pixelation
[07:05] <membreya> *shudder*
[07:05] <kkathman> bbiab - gotta take my son to the optometrist :)
[07:05] <membreya> cool :)
[07:05] <SuperCatFrog> doesn't svg stand for scalable vector graphics?
[07:06] <membreya> ahuh ..makes sense to me :)
[07:06] <membreya> hmmm no chicks in the SVG section :P
[07:07] <membreya> ooo hehe http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21961
[07:13] <Alfred1881> did anyone ever do an KDEupgrade with Konstruct ? how many days (hours) took it ?
[07:14] <SuperCatFrog> alfred1881 - never done it with konstruct, but with gentoo it takes about a day
[07:14] <Alfred1881> have you ever used mdk
[07:15] <Alfred1881> because i want to swith to kubuntu
[07:15] <insanekane> Alfred1881: i have both
[07:16] <Alfred1881> how does it feel
[07:16] <insanekane> it feels good :)
[07:16] <insanekane> mdk and kubuntu are great :) ... i use both
[07:16] <SuperCatFrog> alfred1881 - i wouldn't use mdk if somebody paid me
[07:16] <Alfred1881> what about installing progs
[07:17] <insanekane> Alfred1881: debian i think, easily has most packages and behaves sanely for packages that you compile from source
[07:19] <Alfred1881> what are the pros and cons between kubuntu and mdk ?
[07:20] <Alfred1881> did anyone ever do an KDEupgrade with Konstruct ? how many days (hours) took it ?
[07:23] <SuperCatFrog> alfred - probably about a day
[07:26] <SuperCatFrog> alfred1881 - for me to install everything on gentoo takes about 3 days/24 hours a day on an athlon-xp 2000+, with these c[xx] flags: -O3 -march=athlon-xp -funrolloops (iirc)
[07:26] <Alfred1881> hmm
[07:26] <Alfred1881> i have  p2.4Ghz
[07:26] <SuperCatFrog> (everything including X, GTK, QT, firefox, etc)
[07:27] <Alfred1881>  i do not need games, so i removed them from the makefile
[07:27] <SuperCatFrog> you should probably do J=2 on the same line as your compile command, especially with HT
[07:27] <SuperCatFrog> like this:
[07:28] <SuperCatFrog> CFLAGS="pentium4 -O3 -funrolloops" CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} J=2
[07:28] <SuperCatFrog> although you should research that properly - thats of the top of my head
[07:28] <SuperCatFrog> *i meant this:
[07:28] <SuperCatFrog> CFLAGS="pentium4 -O3 -funrolloops" CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} J=2 COMPILE_COMMAND_GOES_HERE
[07:29] <SuperCatFrog> although in kubuntu, just do apt-get update ; apt-get install kde
[07:29] <Alfred1881> is it possible to use an USB-mass storage device in kde? and what do i need to do
[07:29] <SuperCatFrog> yes it is, in kubuntu, just plug it in and it appears on the desktop (iirc)
[07:29] <SuperCatFrog> if not, probably just mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick
[07:30] <insanekane> Alfred1881: get pmount and use Storage Media ... ?
[07:30] <SuperCatFrog> anyway - anybody know which package contains the ruby bindings?
[07:30] <SuperCatFrog> *for kde or qt
[07:31] <SuperCatFrog> im off to make food
[07:31] <Alfred1881> ok
[07:34] <amu> SuperCatFrog: kdebindings ? 
[07:36] <membreya> gah ..is there anyway to lock the icons on the desktop ?
[07:36] <amu> only with kioskmode tools  
[07:36] <membreya> my icons keep resorting themselves :|
[07:37] <membreya> ie one goes to the side
[07:37] <membreya> pissin me off
[07:37] <amu> take a look to :~/.kde/share/apps/kdesktop/IconPositions 
[07:38] <amu> [IconPosition::Home.desktop] 
[07:38] <amu> X=461
[07:38] <membreya> :|
[07:38] <membreya> confusing me
[07:39] <amu> delete everything after X= .. this entry is enough 
[07:40] <membreya> it won't re-write it ?
[07:40] <amu> than quit with dcop kdesktop and restart or ... or login / logout 
[07:40] <amu> it rewrite it with the defaults
[07:40] <amu> err logout / login ;)
[07:41] <membreya> if I resort my icons it resets that file :P
[07:42] <amu> the first entry is the important one, it shows the position with you running resoltion 
[07:42] <membreya> meh... I will just put up with it ... like i put up with kaffein being FUBAR
[07:42] <amu> the other are just for lower/higher resoltions 
[07:43] <amu> if they are still unsorted, probably a desktop file is missing 
[07:43] <membreya> they're sorted...its just that from time to time they will "unsort" and I have to sort them again
[07:44] <membreya> it's annoying more than anything
[07:44] <PaveK> Hi all  :)
[07:44] <PaveK> Any italian people here?
[07:44] <membreya> hiya PaveK :)
[07:44] <membreya> nope :P
[07:44] <PaveK> :P
[07:45] <PaveK> I'm currently running a live 5.04 (me = noooooob) and let me say, it's very good ^_^
[07:46] <PaveK> I saw that the only language available in the control center in English: is it restricted to the live verison?
[07:47] <amu> no you can install you lang with apt-get install kde-i18n-XX where XX is your langcode, login logout and change with kcontrol you country settings
[07:47] <amu> well the login/logout after you changed them in kcontrol ;) 
[07:47] <PaveK> well... it seems to be one of the million features ?'d like to learn :D
[07:48] <membreyaZzZz> nite guys :)
[07:48] <amu> PaveK: see http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/userguide/
[07:48] <PaveK> Here is 19:48, anyway 'nite!
[07:49] <membreyaZzZz> 3.50 am here :P
[07:50] <PaveK> I need root password for the live distro in order to install the language :)
[07:50] <PaveK> anyone knows?
[07:50] <amu> use sudo apt-get install 
[07:51] <amu> actually it isnt set 
[07:51] <PaveK> ok, sudo works, but...
[07:51] <PaveK> E: Couldn't find package kde-il8n-IT
[07:52] <amu> kde-il8n-it 
[07:52] <PaveK> :P eheheehh Windows noob -> case unsensitive :P
[07:52] <amu> kde-i18n-it 
[07:52] <PaveK> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install kde-il8n-it
[07:52] <PaveK> Reading package lists... Done
[07:52] <PaveK> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:52] <PaveK> E: Couldn't find package kde-il8n-it
[07:53] <PaveK> :(
[07:53] <amu> l is not a 1 
[07:53] <PaveK> ops sorry! it seemed to be "L" in courier font :D
[07:54] <PaveK> tnx amu, it's working now
[07:55] <PaveK> Are you always so kind with linux noobs or is it a special date? :)
[07:56] <\sh> amu's old guy :) he knows how to handle difficult things :)
[07:56] <PaveK> :)
[07:57] <amu> hehe
[07:57] <PaveK> ok, i'm logging out to set it
[07:58] <burgermann> lo, can anyone help me with KSync?
[07:58] <\sh> amu: i heard you will set next to ogra in the plane to down under?
[07:58] <\sh> -set+sit
[07:58] <amu> burgermann: what's the problem ? 
[07:59] <burgermann> Having trouble finding a the source.. :S
[07:59] <elektrolyytti> if i install kubuntu (i have ubuntu hoarty installed) will i be still able to use gnome?
[07:59] <amu> \sh: yep, i'm on the way to sydney, just fixing last bugs than i'll run 
[08:00] <burgermann> elektrolyytti, yup :)
[08:00] <elektrolyytti> burgermann: with command apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[08:01] <burgermann> elektrolyytti, yes or just use synaptic :}
[08:01] <\sh> amu: hehe...have fun :) but u will have fun with ogra :) 
[08:02] <burgermann> amu, I'm having trouble finding the source :S
[08:02] <amu> \sh: i'll see if it's possible to play a round nettris with all guys :) 
[08:02] <\sh> amu: but a good advice :) don't questioning him about his former company ;)
[08:03] <amu> burgermann: depends if it's a clalendar or Adressbook, they are all localated in .kde/share/apps/
[08:03] <insanekane> amu: any way to boot into a special "mode" of the LiveCD, where instead of starting KDE, what happens is a LiveCD->HDD installer can be started instead ?
[08:04] <amu> \sh: i know this storry ;) ogra is my closed neigbor 
[08:05] <\sh> amu: ah :) ok :) i didn't know...:) well, the world is really small in the "linux" business ;)
[08:05] <amu> insanekane: not now, with beezy there will be such ( unoffical ) hack
[08:05] <amu> \sh: yes it is *g* 
[08:05] <amu> s/beezy/breezy
[08:05] <insanekane> amu: hmm ok ... im writing LiveCD->hdd installer
[08:05] <insanekane> amu: is there already an effort for that underway ?
[08:06] <\sh> come on pizzaservice..I'm hungry
[08:07] <amu> yep ... mantiena from baltix live started and what he did sounds cool
[08:07] <amu> \sh: *g* 
[08:08] <\sh> amu: well...I have to work on my wiki page...but i can't work with an empty stomach ;)
[08:08] <\sh> amu: and ex-wife is in ZA, so there's nobody right now there for me to cook ;)
[08:09] <amu> \sh: take this one http://www.kubuntu.de/party/1.html
[08:10] <insanekane> amu: am looking it up
[08:10] <\sh> amu: *g* no i need something hot and spicy :)
[08:12] <amu> well, in this case a pasta diabolo would be better
[08:14] <\sh> amu: tonno with many chillis
[08:15] <\sh> and reissdorf koelsch
[08:17] <amu> reissdorf is good but the dark one :)
[08:17] <insanekane> amu: is there any way to pass a init runlevel from the bootloader in kubuntu ? can I use that to bring up my installer instead of KDE /
[08:17] <insanekane> ?
[08:18] <amu> insanekane: it's a normal system you can use all bootparameters, like init=bla 
[08:18] <amu> single should work
[08:18] <insanekane> amu: oho ... so do u suggest this method for installation ?
[08:18] <amu> nope
[08:18] <insanekane> amu: some reason ?
[08:19] <amu> that's fucking stupid
[08:19] <insanekane> amu: why ?
[08:19] <\sh> u could have the normal installer on this cd/dvd
[08:20] <amu> who to do it right, you give the kernel a bootparameter, and the installer recognice well it should install the livesys 
[08:20] <amu> s/who//
[08:20] <insanekane> amu: err ... and how is that different from using init=<x> ?
[08:21] <amu> insanekane: forget all about what you know from liveCD's 
[08:21] <amu> now think the liveCD is like a real sys 
[08:21] <insanekane> amu: ok ...
[08:21] <\sh> insanekane: inittab is later 
[08:21] <amu> we have a debian installer 
[08:22] <insanekane> ok ...
[08:22] <amu> there's 1 point where the installer chroot into the livesys
[08:22] <insanekane> aha ..
[08:22] <amu> and this point is the way installing it or run the live
[08:23] <amu> sure you can first boot the hole live and install it by copying everything
[08:23] <insanekane> amu: aha i get it now .. but what are the advantages of this method (other than elegance) ?
[08:23] <amu> this use more ram is just for dummies 
[08:23] <insanekane> aha ok
[08:24] <insanekane> this installer ... is it able to boot into graphical mode ?
[08:24] <amu> elegance is everything just hacking a liveCD could be done by everyone :) 
[08:24] <insanekane> amu: hehe :)
[08:24] <\sh> insanekane: hint from me to learn more about livecds and installcds...check gentoos catalyst
[08:25] <insanekane> \sh: how does that help me ?
[08:25] <\sh> u will understand the system
[08:25] <insanekane> right ..
[08:26] <amu> insanekane: the funny thing is everyone just copy the bloody knoppix idea, compare it with ubuntu's one
[08:26] <amu> what you need for a liveCD .... is nothing, no bloody hw-detetion scripts
[08:27] <amu> the design is brocken by default 
[08:27] <insanekane> amu: yes indeed, and im sorry ... i didnt think hard enough. but there is another issue to this: i need to write the installer in Qt ... preferably in Python ... and i need to do it quick ... and i really dont have the time to learn abt the debian installer.
[08:27] <\sh> insanekane: qtmebedded 
[08:27] <insanekane> amu: is it possible to write the installer in Qt ?
[08:27] <insanekane> amu: or even better, in PyQt ?
[08:27] <\sh> insanekane: take a look on Qtembedded 
[08:28] <insanekane> \sh: why ?
[08:28] <insanekane> amu: i need it to be in Qt because the installer has to support my language/script (which only Qt does) ..
[08:28] <insanekane> amu: any hints ??
[08:28] <\sh> it's qt compatible, but u compile only those things u really need...it's used for palm devices and also used by installers 
[08:29] <\sh> suse is using it i think
[08:29] <amu> qt-embeeded ... arklinux is a good example how to do it
[08:29] <insanekane> \sh: can i use PyQt in the debian installer ?
[08:29] <insanekane> arklinux is a LiveCD /
[08:29] <insanekane> ?
[08:30] <\sh> an installer has nothing to do with a live cd
[08:30] <amu> no, a installable, make no difference, the system how to do it is the same 
[08:30] <insanekane> ok right ... i will look up arklinux ... and i hope it is not some european language like baltix-live ;)
[08:31] <\sh> insanekane: arklinux == bernhard 'bero' rosenkraenzer, fomerly redhat employe...he's doing some stuff (or all) for them
[08:31] <Fhigo> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i like kubuntu
[08:31] <insanekane> \sh: oho ok
[08:32] <\sh> hmm..i don't thing he knows bero
[08:32] <Fhigo> just hope for kynaptic gettin improved :)
[08:32] <amu> ... and no prob to get the full source of it ;)
[08:32] <insanekane> no i dont know bero
[08:32] <\sh> insanekane: shame on u :)
[08:33] <insanekane> \sh: :)
[08:33] <amu> \sh: hehe
[08:33] <insanekane> \sh: good ... so now u will help me make my installer yes ? ;)
[08:34] <\sh> insanekane: well...no :) i have too much of other work to do
[08:34] <amu> Fhigo: i think so :) it will be improved or droped 
[08:34] <Fhigo> droped becuase of what?
[08:34] <\sh> amu: droped :) and than perlqt + apt-get backend 
[08:34] <insanekane> \sh: but u will show me the way if i get lost ??
[08:35] <insanekane> \sh: no no ... pyqt ;)
[08:35] <amu> Fhigo: cause nobody give his love to it 
[08:35] <Fhigo> ??????????
[08:35] <Fhigo> why not?
[08:35] <Fhigo> i love it ;)
[08:35] <\sh> insanekane: pyqt is not usable 
[08:35] <\sh> phew...that was good....
[08:35] <amu> Fhigo: report problems and the better way send patches
[08:35] <\sh> but the next time i should order a small pizza not a big one
[08:35] <reagleBRKLN> gamin_server has grabbed my removable media and won't let go, this was supposed to be fixed in 0.25 and ubuntu is 0.0.26-0ubuntu3 0 . was it fixed in ubuntu, and how can i force it to let go?
[08:35] <insanekane> \sh: u mean i cannot use it to make an installer interface ?
[08:36] <\sh> insanekane: pyqt is not qt embedded enabled
[08:36] <\sh> insanekane: and libqt u can't use in a small space like the initrd 
[08:36] <insanekane> \sh: hrrrrrmmmmm ....
[08:36] <insanekane> \sh: what abt python ? can i embed that ?
[08:37] <\sh> insanekane: for what? c++ is your friend
[08:37] <insanekane> yeah sure :P
[08:37] <amu> insanekane: if you can wait after our sydney meeting we can do it together 
[08:37] <insanekane> python is more easily extensible
[08:37] <insanekane> amu: whens the sydney meeting ?
[08:37] <amu> 24-30.th
[08:38] <amu> april 
[08:38] <insanekane> hmm ok ... i will try my hand at it first ... then when u come we can improve it ??
[08:38] <amu> sure, my feature plan is a grafical qt backend  
[08:39] <insanekane> amu: u have a website for it ?
[08:40] <amu> insanekane: no i was impressed by the arklinux installed, now we have a rockable kunbuntu, but with a curses installer .... that great but outdated 
[08:40] <insanekane> oho ...
[08:41] <insanekane> so basically ... u will do the same as arklinux on kubuntu ?
[08:41] <amu> ... it needs to be discussed :)    
[08:41] <\sh> amu: hmmm...there has to be an all over solution for both ;) 
[08:41] <insanekane> amu: on kubuntu-devel ?
[08:42] <amu> insanekane: in sydney 
[08:42] <insanekane> amu: oh .. damn ... i will miss it :/
[08:44] <\sh> insanekane: u r coming from india?
[08:45] <amu> insanekane: i think Riddell will continue, dont know about the feature, my contract ends  
[08:46] <\sh> amu: what?
[08:50] <insanekane> amu: contract ??
[08:50] <\sh> oh workers council invited us
[08:50] <insanekane> ??
[08:50] <insanekane> \sh: yes, im in india
[08:50] <insanekane> \sh: whats that amu said ? he is no longer handling the installer+liveCD ?
[08:51] <amu> \sh: i've only a 6 month contract, original to the liveCD things, mark ask me if i want help boot up kubuntu ...      
[08:51] <\sh> insanekane: there is one guy here, calling around he needs one ubuntu cd, cause he has only 2kb/s downstream
[08:51] <insanekane> \sh: who is it ?
[08:51] <\sh> amu: don't u wanna do it as fulltime? ,-)
[08:51] <\sh> insanekane: dan_bon_bon or whatever his nick was...wait i think he will come again this evening
[08:51] <insanekane> amu: so u are no longer working on kubuntu as of now ??
[08:52] <insanekane> \sh: right ..
[08:53] <amu> insanekane: yep, i'm back on gnoppix now
[08:53] <insanekane> amu: damn ... what ? this happened 10 minutes ago ???
[08:54] <insanekane> amu: possible to provide limited time support to answer my questions on making this installer ?
[08:54] <amu> insanekane: nope till my contract ends i work with full power on the project 
[08:54] <insanekane> amu: when does ur contract end ?
[08:55] <amu> 1st. may
[08:55] <Fhigo> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/
[08:55] <Fhigo> deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/source/
[08:55] <Fhigo> whats wrong?
[08:55] <insanekane> amu: oh right ... so u will be working on the installer after sydney ?
[08:55] <insanekane> Fhigo: apt-get update ??
[08:55] <Fhigo> hmm
[08:55] <Fhigo> want to install with kynaptic
[08:56] <Tm_T> eh, why
[08:56] <insanekane> yes ... so do apt-get update ... then use kynaptic
[08:56] <Fhigo> ohh
[08:56] <Fhigo> ok
[08:56] <amu> insanekane: yep, but not fulltime, if i have time for it :) 
[08:56] <Fhigo> E: Missgestaltete Zeile 6 in Quelliste /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[08:56] <insanekane> amu: hmm ok ... i hope you do ;)
[08:56] <Fhigo> hmm
[08:56] <Fhigo> howto say in english
[08:56] <Fhigo> ^^
[08:56] <Fhigo> error in line 66
[08:56] <Fhigo> 6
[08:56] <Fhigo> lol
[08:57] <insanekane> the deb line looks wrong ..
[08:57] <CellarDoor> Hello. Got a simple problem, looking for a simple answer - after installing kubuntu, fonts are ugly, how do I change this ? Also, KDE won't give me screen res above 1024 by 768, I used to use Mandrake and its control center to get around this but with kubuntu I don't know what to do ??
[08:57] <insanekane> err no ... i dont know
[08:57] <amu> insanekane: for sure, there are many feature missing compared to the others
[08:57] <Fhigo> why insanekane ?
[08:57] <insanekane> CellarDoor: u can enable font anti-aliasing ... under display i believe
[08:57] <amu> .. other liveCD's
[08:58] <CellarDoor> insanekane, yes, have done that but no change
[08:58] <insanekane> Fhigo: are u sure u have entered themright ?
[08:58] <\sh> CellarDoor: 1. start konsole 2. sudp dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:58] <Fhigo> yep
[08:58] <insanekane> CellarDoor: then perhaps the fonts are crap ??
[08:58] <insanekane> CellarDoor: is it Bitstream Vera ?
[08:58] <\sh> 3. start kcontrol and change fonts or install msstcorefonts (sp?)
[08:58] <Fhigo> insanekane, just have done whats written on the wine hp
[08:58] <CellarDoor> its all of them
[08:59] <Fhigo> http://winehq.com/site/download-deb
[09:00] <insanekane> CellarDoor: display resolution .... open a Konsole, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and then, configure the ones u like
[09:00] <CellarDoor> ?
[09:01] <CellarDoor> ooh
[09:01] <CellarDoor> I think i c 
[09:01] <insanekane> CellarDoor: follow those instructions to choose ur display resolution
[09:01] <amu> insanekane: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDevelopment/Kubuntu
[09:02] <insanekane> amu: ok will look
[09:02] <Fhigo> Konnte http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/Packages.gz nicht holen  404 Not Found
[09:02] <Fhigo> Konnte http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/source/Sources.gz nicht holen  404 Not Found
[09:02] <Fhigo> so u see wahts goin on
[09:02] <CellarDoor> is "nv" for nvidia ?
[09:02] <amu> insanekane: please add, if i missed something 
[09:02] <\sh> insanekane: xserver-xorg is standard ;)
[09:03] <insanekane> \sh: damn ... sorry :) im right now on ubuntu warty :)
[09:03] <insanekane> CellarDoor: yes
[09:03] <CellarDoor> yah I got xorg here
[09:03] <CellarDoor> ok cool
[09:03] <insanekane> CellarDoor: sorry for the trouble
[09:03] <\sh> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:03] <\sh> insanekane: :)
[09:03] <insanekane> CellarDoor: i expected it anyway, and thought id clear it up if the matter ever caused a problem ... but i guess \sh found me out over there :)
[09:04] <insanekane> Fhigo: ok ..
[09:04] <insanekane> Fhigo: ur deb line should be
[09:04] <insanekane> http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary
[09:04] <insanekane> err ..
[09:04] <Fhigo> without /?
[09:04] <insanekane> http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[09:04] <Fhigo> yeah its like this
[09:04] <insanekane> no, u need the /
[09:04] <insanekane> but u also a need a space between apt/ and binary/
[09:04] <Fhigo> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[09:04] <Fhigo> deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/
[09:05] <Fhigo> watch out
[09:05] <insanekane> yes
[09:05] <Fhigo> its like this
[09:05] <insanekane> ??
[09:05] <Fhigo> but then this error is comin
[09:05] <CellarDoor> where it says "please enter the videocards bus identifier" should I just go with whatever is already there ?
[09:05] <insanekane> CellarDoor: yeah .. the defaults usually work
[09:05] <CellarDoor> ah cool
[09:05] <\sh> CellarDoor: follow the white rabbit ;)
[09:06] <CellarDoor> :)
[09:06] <insanekane> \sh: hehehe ... thats the best description ive ever heard ;)
[09:06] <insanekane> Fhigo: well ?
[09:06] <Fhigo> hmm
[09:06] <insanekane> Fhigo: whats the error ? i have to go shower and eat :)))
[09:06] <\sh> insanekane: we all  living inside the matrix ;) didn't u know? :)
[09:07] <insanekane> \sh: hehehe :)
[09:07] <Fhigo> ok
[09:07] <Fhigo> show you the same error again
[09:07] <insanekane> Fhigo: well ?
[09:07] <Fhigo> ...
[09:07] <\sh> Fhigo: it's called deja-vu..someone changed the matrix ;)
[09:07] <Fhigo> oh hell
[09:07] <Fhigo> no it works
[09:07] <Fhigo> O.o
[09:07] <insanekane> Fhigo: bah ! :)
[09:08] <Fhigo> why the hell?
[09:08] <Fhigo> lmao
[09:08] <insanekane> Fhigo: its good :)
[09:08] <Fhigo> rofl
[09:08] <insanekane> Fhigo: best of luck on ur adventures :)
[09:08] <Fhigo> hehe
[09:08] <Fhigo> nice thanx ;)
[09:08] <CellarDoor> 128meg is about 131072kb right ?
[09:08] <insanekane> CellarDoor: yep
[09:08] <CellarDoor> just checking
[09:08] <CellarDoor> :P
[09:08] <insanekane> CellarDoor: np
[09:10] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto for all ppl with problems with low resolutions
[09:10] <SuperCatFrog> hello all (again)
[09:13] <SuperCatFrog> i haven't got kdebindings installed, and they're not available through apt - any idea's anybody?
[09:15] <insanekane> SuperCatFrog: use the source, Luke :)
[09:16] <SuperCatFrog> insanekane - do you mean /etc/apt/sources.list or compiling them? i dont really want to compile them, because i want them to be automatically upgraded when kde 3.4.1 comes out
[09:16] <SuperCatFrog> when i googled, it looked like kdebindings is supposed to be in kubuntu
[09:17] <CellarDoor> yay, I think thats done... now I guess I just re-start x ?
[09:18] <CellarDoor> brb
[09:19] <amu> SuperCatFrog: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdebindings/4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1/kdebindings_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1_20050329-1309-i386-successful
[09:20] <SuperCatFrog> thanks
[09:20] <amu> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdebindings/
[09:22] <\sh> amu: i can't install it as well...universe in sources.list
[09:22] <amu> \sh: you use hoary ? 
[09:22] <\sh> amu: sure
[09:22] <SuperCatFrog> typical -  http://jackass.ubuntu.com/dists/hoary/ is down
[09:23] <\sh> amu: kde3.4 is installed ;)
[09:24] <amu> SuperCatFrog: nope you can access it. That's the buildd  
[09:24] <\sh> indexes wrong?
[09:24] <\sh> or not uploaded ;)
[09:24] <amu> even on breezy i cant access it 
[09:25] <\sh> hmmm...question for ubuntu-devel?
[09:25] <amu> yep
[09:26] <MindZEye> Holy crap, 345 packages to upgrade since I moved to Breezy.
[09:26] <amu> elmo and lamont should know the answer 
[09:26] <\sh> i'm asking right now ;)
[09:27] <amu> \sh: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdebindings/
[09:27] <amu> it's definitiv on the mirror 
[09:27] <amu> thx
[09:28] <\sh> someone ate it, he was hungry and ate kdebindings ;)
[09:30] <SuperCatFrog> is there anyway to add that site to the repository?
[09:30] <exciton> Hello I'm having a big problem with ubuntu I have not seen anything on google about this problem and am not sure what started it I just booted my system and it started. I installed Ubuntu Hoary and downloaded kde and have been running kde just fine but just as of last night if I try to run anything kde the xserver crashes I can log into kde or gnome but as soon as any kde program runs x crashes and brings me back to the login screen 
[09:30] <exciton> has anyone seen this before
[09:30] <exciton> ?
[09:32] <SuperCatFrog> exciton - my cusin had that problem, i didn't get round to trying to resolv it. all i can think of to try is this:
[09:32] <\sh> amu: we're brainded
[09:32] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/repository/ming/0.2a/ming-0.2a/debian$ sudo apt-get showsrc kdebindings
[09:32] <SuperCatFrog> kbuildsycoca  - this might help, although i doubt it
[09:32] <SuperCatFrog> otherwise
[09:32] <SuperCatFrog> rm ~/.kde/ -r
[09:32] <SuperCatFrog> no actually dont do that last one
[09:32] <SuperCatFrog> do this instead:
[09:33] <SuperCatFrog> mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-backup
[09:33] <SuperCatFrog> then restart x
[09:33] <exciton> Well I'm going to give that a shot thanks a lot I'll come back and let you know if it worked
[09:34] <SuperCatFrog> ok
[09:34] <\sh> SuperCatFrog: do a `sudo apt-cache showsrc kdebindings`
[09:34] <SuperCatFrog> ok thanks
[09:34] <\sh> apt-cache not apt-get
[09:35] <SuperCatFrog> sh - what do i do with the output?
[09:35] <SuperCatFrog> do i have to add universe/devel into sources.list?
[09:36] <\sh> SuperCatFrog: check the output
[09:36] <\sh> Package: kdebindings
[09:36] <\sh> Binary: libkjsembed-dev, libsmokekde-dev, libkjsembed1, libsmokeqt-dev, kjscmd, libsmokekde1, python-dcop, libsmokeqt1
[09:36] <\sh> showsrc == showsource
[09:36] <\sh> and it results in the binary packages
[09:36] <Mithsir> Hello! Is anyone running Kubuntu on an amd64 and can successfully run openoffice?
[09:37] <SuperCatFrog> so if i install those packages listed after Binary: it should provide kdebindings?
[09:37] <SuperCatFrog> mithsir - i dont, but i dont think there's a sun JRE for amd64 (oo uses java for some strage reason known only by sun)
[09:37] <\sh> SuperCatFrog: yeah
[09:37] <SuperCatFrog> thanks \sh
[09:38] <Mithsir> well, here I get "no suitable windowing system found, exiting." and I can't work it out...
[09:41] <Mithsir> SuperCatFrog, I don't think it's a Java issue... IIRC, OOo uses java only for some features..
[09:41] <CellarDoor> back
[09:41] <SuperCatFrog> mithsir - have you tried it in a different window manager like gnome or blackbox (to narrow down the problem)
[09:42] <kkathman> well ok, I got this new plan of action for my home network now :)
[09:42] <exciton> Thanks a lot that did fix it now I just have to spend a few hours fixing evenrything to look right and not reinstalling everything thank you so much
[09:43] <_Peter> hey dudes
[09:43] <SuperCatFrog> you dont need pants for the victory dance, etc
[09:43] <Mithsir> SuperCatFrog, I don't have either of them installed..
[09:44] <SuperCatFrog> mithsir - how about failsafe X session? 
[09:44] <exciton> lol Thanks again SuperCatFrog 
[09:44] <SuperCatFrog> exiction - its ok
[09:44] <_Peter> what's the name of the package that contains the kernel source
[09:44] <SuperCatFrog> excition - which one was it that fixed it?
[09:46] <Mithsir> SuperCatFrog, I just tried a failsafe, no luck
[09:46] <Julien[indiepopr> helo
[09:46] <Julien[indiepopr> i'm french
[09:46] <SuperCatFrog> mithsir - then im out of idea's, sorry
[09:47] <Julien[indiepopr> i've just install kubuntu on my apple ibook
[09:47] <Mithsir> SuperCatFrog, thats ok, you're not the first one :-)
[09:47] <Julien[indiepopr> and my modem sagem does'nt work :s
[09:47] <Julien[indiepopr> if someone can help me
[09:48] <Julien[indiepopr> pleaaaase
[09:49] <_Peter> could you be a little more specific then "doesnt work"?
[09:50] <Alfred1881> what's kexif
[09:51] <Julien[indiepopr> _Peter : i begin with linux
[09:51] <Julien[indiepopr> i don't know how to install it
[09:51] <Julien[indiepopr> it is a usb modem
[09:52] <Julien[indiepopr> if you know a website about this
[09:52] <Julien[indiepopr> thanks
[09:52] <Julien[indiepopr> :)
[09:53] <\sh> usbmodem? 
[09:53] <Julien[indiepopr> yes
[09:54] <\sh> i never saw a usbmodem, but i saw kernel-space drivers for it
[09:54] <Julien[indiepopr> ok
[09:55] <Mithsir> gone
[09:55] <_Peter> back..
[09:55] <_Peter> sorry about that.. just needed to check something
[09:55] <kkathman> welcome back _Peter 
[09:55] <_Peter> thx :)
[09:57] <_Peter> iv'e just fetched the kernel sources, but "make menuconfig" bitches about missing ncurses-devel. When i "apt-get install ncurses-devel" i get missing kandidate :-/
[09:57] <_Peter> what now?
[09:57] <pv> apt-cache search ncurses devel
[09:57] <pv> apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[09:57] <\sh> Julien[indiepopr: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html
[09:58] <_Peter> ahh :)
[09:58] <Julien[indiepopr> thanks \sh 
[09:58] <_Peter> pv: thx a bunch :)
[09:59] <_Peter> brb.. i've got a kernel to compile ;-)
[10:20] <Fhigo> ohhhhhhhhhhhh yeah....
[10:20] <Fhigo> i'm lovin it
[10:20] <Fhigo> no not mcdonalds
[10:20] <Fhigo> lol .... kubuntu
[10:20] <Fhigo> ^^
[10:23] <kubuntero> hello 
[10:23] <Fhigo> hehe hi kubuntero  =)
[10:23] <kubuntero> amarok nott working 
[10:23] <kubuntero> :(
[10:24] <Fhigo> error?
[10:24] <kubuntero> i dont have any sound
[10:24] <kubuntero> :$
[10:24] <Fhigo> hm
[10:24] <kubuntero> ??
[10:24] <Fhigo> thats maybe because of the sound-driver
[10:24] <kubuntero> Juk 
[10:24] <kubuntero> is fine 
[10:25] <kubuntero> i need amarok engine ? 
[10:25] <Fhigo> hmm
[10:27] <kubuntero> ??
[10:27] <Fhigo> no
[10:27] <Fhigo> just the sound driver
[10:27] <Fhigo> use esound
[10:27] <Fhigo> or
[10:27] <Fhigo> wait
[10:28] <Fhigo> wait plz
[10:28] <Fhigo> a lot to do
[10:28] <Fhigo> ^^
[10:32] <Fhigo> hmm kubuntero go to
[10:32] <Fhigo> settings .. config amarok
[10:33] <kubuntero> ok
[10:33] <Fhigo> then
[10:33] <Fhigo> engine
[10:33] <Fhigo> whats chosen?
[10:33] <kubuntero> <no engine>
[10:33] <Fhigo> hehe
[10:33] <Fhigo> so ..
[10:33] <Fhigo> choose one ;)
[10:33] <Fhigo> otherwise it cant work ;)
[10:34] <kakalto> what is kde's ftp manager?
[10:34] <Fhigo> dunno
[10:34] <kubuntero> i need install amarok engines ? 
[10:34] <Fhigo> don't think so
[10:34] <Fhigo> hey kubuntero 
[10:34] <Fhigo> its gftp
[10:35] <Fhigo> you can install also a gui
[10:35] <Fhigo> gftp-gui
[10:35] <kubuntero> gftp ?
[10:35] <kakalto> gft[?
[10:35] <kakalto> *gftp?
[10:35] <kakalto> thanks
[10:35] <kakalto> but I thought that was gnome's
[10:35] <Fhigo> jep
[10:36] <Fhigo> kakalto, oh
[10:36] <Fhigo> it was your question ;)
[10:36] <kakalto> ah
[10:36] <kakalto> kftp
[10:36] <kakalto> big surprise there
[10:36] <Fhigo> lol
[10:36] <Fhigo> kakalto, for what exists kynaptic? ;)
[10:37] <kakalto> but ut doesn't show up in kynaptic..
[10:37] <Fhigo> hmm
[10:37] <Fhigo> strange
[10:38] <kakalto> ah
[10:38] <kakalto> no wonder
[10:38] <kakalto> konqueror handles ftp
[10:38] <Fhigo> why?
[10:38] <Fhigo> hehe
[10:38] <Fhigo> lol
[10:38] <Fhigo> strange O.o
[10:38] <kakalto> konqueror handles anything :D
[10:38] <Fhigo> hehe
[10:38] <Fhigo> it does
[10:38] <Fhigo> thats good ;)
[10:39] <kubuntero> siI have another problem  , kaffeine does not reproduce vcd
[10:39] <Fhigo> kakalto, u like it 2?
[10:39] <Fhigo> kubuntu
[10:39] <Fhigo> kubuntero,errrrrrrr?
[10:39] <Fhigo> error?
[10:39] <Fhigo> ;)
[10:39] <Fhigo> without error no solution
[10:39] <Fhigo> ;)
[10:41] <kubuntero> that engine I choose in amarok?
[10:41] <kubuntero> xine ? 
[10:42] <kakalto> Fhigo, yeah, I like it
[10:42] <kubuntero> arts
[10:42] <kubuntero> :$ 
[10:42] <Fhigo> i like it so much..
[10:42] <Fhigo> much more than suse =)
[10:43] <Fhigo> i used to have suse
[10:43] <Fhigo> but it isn't as good as kubuntu
[10:46] <kakalto> :(
[10:47] <kakalto> konqueror can't handle ftp
[10:47] <Fhigo> wtf?
[10:47] <Fhigo> no?
[10:48] <kakalto> it won't create a directory :(
[10:48] <kkathman> kakalto: lots of ftp offerings out there... do an apt-cache search ftp and choose one :)
[10:49] <shad0w1e> how do I add a tray icon to be able to change screen resolutions ?
[10:50] <malte> kakalto, lftp!
[10:50] <kubuntero> yeeeeeeeeeeee
[10:50] <kubuntero> yeeeeeeeeeeea
[10:50] <kubuntero> amarok rulez
[10:50] <kubuntero> :D
[10:50] <kakalto> malte, sorry, I can't handle text-based file-managing
[10:50] <Fhigo> it works now?
[10:50] <kubuntero> yea
[10:50] <kubuntero> :D
[10:50] <Fhigo> nice ^^
[10:50] <kakalto> amarok does rule.
[10:51] <shad0w1e> how do I add a tray icon to be able to change screen resolutions ?
[10:51] <shad0w1e> i used to have it..
[10:51] <Fhigo> ok
[10:51] <Fhigo> later guys
[10:51] <Fhigo> wait
[10:51] <Fhigo> just one question
[10:51] <Fhigo> how to install java?
[10:51] <shad0w1e> use kynaptic
[10:51] <kubuntero> Fhigo
[10:51] <kubuntero> ubuntu wiki
[10:51] <Fhigo> hmm
[10:51] <Fhigo> shad0w1e, no 
[10:52] <Fhigo> kynaptic hasn't the package
[10:52] <kakalto> it's there on www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <Fhigo> ok 
[10:52] <Fhigo> nice :)
[10:52] <Fhigo> thanx
[10:53] <kakalto> shad0w1e, give me a few moments, I might be able to find it
[10:54] <kubuntero>  How to install J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE)?
[10:54] <kubuntero>  How to install J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE)?
[10:54] <kakalto> kubuntero, www,ubuntuguide.org
[10:54] <kubuntero> yea
[10:54] <kubuntero> :D
[10:54] <TayloR> hmm.. i dont suppose anyone knows the standard vert & refresh rate for a cheap end 17" CRT plug & play monitor do they?
[10:54] <shad0w1e> kakalto: thanks
[10:54] <TayloR> *vert & horiz
[10:55] <gdh> TayloR: they will be automatically detected at X startup
[10:55] <kakalto> shad0w1e, I used to have it working under gnome and xfce, but I can't seem to find it any more
[10:55] <Tm_T> eh
[10:55] <shad0w1e> i had it on kde
[10:55] <shad0w1e> then u pdated to kubuntu
[10:55] <shad0w1e> and it seems gone
[10:55] <shad0w1e> i mean it was WORKING after
[10:55] <shad0w1e> but i closed the app
[10:55] <shad0w1e> and the shortcut is gone
[10:55] <gdh> TayloR: that's what 'DDC' is - it asks the monitor its physical dimensions, works out DPI, etc.
[10:56] <Chin2> @all: check out "Neverball" in Synaptic - it is great
[10:56] <Chin2> just found it :)
[10:56] <TayloR> gdh: oh it does? hmm, well for some reason i couldnt go over 1024x768 when i left it on auto detect, so i altered the vert & horiz rates myself within the xconf and now i can go up to 1280x960.. however i cant seem to set my monitor to run at 75hz at that res, even though the monitor did in windows
[10:57] <Chin2> did you try 72Hz?
[10:57] <Chin2> I had the same problm
[10:57] <Chin2> *e
[10:57] <gdh> TayloR: Yes, it uses the data from the monitor about the recommended resolution for the screen :)
[10:57] <kakalto> is kde-apps.org down?!
[10:58] <TayloR> wouldnt let me run over 60hz at 1280x96-
[10:58] <TayloR> *960
[10:58] <TayloR> yet it did in windows
[10:58] <gdh> then that's what the monitor is rated at,surely/
[10:58] <gdh> anyway
[10:58] <gdh> dinner.. bbl...
[10:58] <kubuntero> winrar for linux ? 
[10:59] <TayloR> howcome windows would allow me to run at such a res at 70hz though, thats what i found confusing
[10:59] <TayloR> hence why i entered the refresh rates myself
[10:59] <TayloR> yet i still cant seem to run in 1280x960 @ 70hz
[10:59] <TayloR> :\
[10:59] <kakalto> kubuntero, not _win_rar, unrar, etc. check out www.rarlabs.com although ark is better
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[11:00] <kakalto> lol
[11:01] <malte> is it possible to make any key act like e.g. control - i.e. i want to be able to add a key binding for <a key>+C
[11:01] <shad0w1e> kakalto: I got it. it's krandrtray... thanks
[11:01] <shad0w1e> fount it on google
[11:01] <kakalto> good ol' google :D
[11:01] <shad0w1e> my first 5 googles didnt get it
[11:01] <kakalto> what does kerberos do?
[11:01] <shad0w1e> but uknow
[11:02] <Kortor> what is the difference between breezy and hoary? is breezy the kubuntu equivalent of debian sid, where hoary is equivalent of debian sarg? (ie unstable, testing)
[11:02] <shad0w1e> basically
[11:02] <kakalto> breezy is unstable/newest
[11:02] <crimsun> Kortor: no.
[11:02] <kakalto> hoary is stable/current
[11:02] <shad0w1e> breezy is what hoary used to be
[11:02] <shad0w1e> a beta
[11:02] <kakalto> warty is stable/old
[11:02] <kubuntero> kakalto howto install winrar ? 
[11:03] <Kortor> okay, and do I upgrade from hoary to breezy just by changing respositries from hoary to breezy then apt-get update dist-upgrade ?
[11:03] <shad0w1e> in the sources.lst
[11:03] <kakalto> kubuntero, there is no WINrar under LINux
[11:03] <shad0w1e> change all instances of hoary to breezy
[11:03] <kubuntero> ok
[11:03] <shad0w1e> (not recommended!"
[11:03] <shad0w1e> breezy is VERY new
[11:04] <Kortor> why is that not recommended?
[11:04] <crimsun> I'd really hold off on recommending people track Breezy for a couple weeks.
[11:04] <kakalto> kubuntero, your best bet would be sticking to Ark.
[11:04] <Kortor> oh
[11:04] <shad0w1e> well its new and unstable
[11:04] <kakalto> kubuntero, Ark is good
[11:04] <Kortor> I don't care if it's unstable, really.
[11:04] <shad0w1e> if you need only one app, then maybe change it and then change it back after
[11:04] <Kortor> I just like to experiment with new things.
[11:04] <shad0w1e> fine
[11:04] <shad0w1e> then open up /etc/apt/sources.lst
[11:04] <crimsun> Kortor: we just finished a toolchain transition, and Sid just was resynced, and so things will break - even horribly possibly.
[11:04] <shad0w1e> (i think it is0
[11:04] <chavo> There's a lot of changes going on in breezy, I'd hod off on that for now.
[11:05] <Chin2> crimsun, you're talking about breezy?
[11:05] <crimsun> Chin2: none other
[11:05] <shad0w1e> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <Chin2> phew
[11:05] <shad0w1e> change all "hoary"'s to "breezy"
[11:05] <shad0w1e> then apt-get update
[11:05] <Kortor> shad0w1e: yeah, I know how to upgrade.
[11:05] <Kortor> shad0w1e: that's what I asked earlier, if that was how I upgrade
[11:06] <shad0w1e> hmm
[11:06] <shad0w1e> maybe you do apt-get upgrade
[11:06] <shad0w1e> after the update
[11:06] <Kortor> ill do dist-upgrade I think
[11:06] <shad0w1e> that should upgrade everything to the newest (unstable) version
[11:06] <Kortor> I think it works better for this type of thing
[11:06] <shad0w1e> they both do different things, actually
[11:06] <Kortor> yeah.
[11:07] <kubuntero> another alternative to amsn ??
[11:07] <Kortor> crimsun: unless it somehow manages to break a different partition that isnt even mounted, no matter how badly It breaks it it doesn't bother me
[11:07] <kakalto> kubuntero, gaim? kopete?
[11:07] <Kortor> kopete
[11:07] <Kortor> kopete is sweet
[11:07] <malte> kopete rox
[11:07] <kubuntero> no no 
[11:07] <Kortor> I love it
[11:07] <shad0w1e> i hate kopete
[11:07] <malte> :(
[11:07] <shad0w1e> how does everyone love it
[11:07] <malte> why?
[11:07] <Kortor> how do you hate it
[11:08] <shad0w1e> too complicated
[11:08] <Kortor> kopete is so sleek and sexy
[11:08] <shad0w1e> gaim is nicer
[11:08] <kakalto> I liked it, after a bit of messing around
[11:08] <malte> heh, it's not complicated :S
[11:08] <kakalto> shad0w1e, gaim is gtk
[11:08] <Kortor> gaim is inferior
[11:08] <_Uzul_> hi, anybody got a hint for displaying umlauts on console in hoary? i think the default sfm isn't the right one...
[11:08] <shad0w1e> gtk works fine if you get gtk-qt in
[11:08] <kakalto> :(
[11:08] <malte> gaim is OK, but i prefer kopete
[11:08] <kubuntero> with the effects, sounds etc of msn 7
[11:08] <Kortor> how is it complicated? all kopete needs is a change of msg format and you're good
[11:09] <Chin2> dang, how do you add items to the kmenu again?
[11:10] <kubuntero> http://mercury.to/
[11:10] <kubuntero> Dmsn rulez
[11:10] <kubuntero> :D
[11:10] <Chin2> nevermind
[11:10] <Cellar|bbl> hehe
[11:12] <_Uzul_> anybody with a clue for umlauts on console in here? :)
[11:13] <shad0w1e> where would the icond for krandrtray be?
[11:13] <shad0w1e> its built into kde
[11:13] <kakalto> what is a qt-based ftp manager (not konqueror) ?
[11:13] <_Uzul_> special german characters like  
[11:14] <kakalto> shad0w1e, make it launch on startup
[11:14] <Chin2> did you look in the keyboard area of the control center?
[11:14] <Chin2> err...regional area
[11:14] <_Uzul_> yea, but its not about umlauts in kde-console
[11:14] <shad0w1e> kakalto: there's no way to. i think its automatic. if you leav it open
[11:14] <_Uzul_> i mean the real console...
[11:14] <shad0w1e> it used to and i never asked it to.
[11:14] <kakalto> shad0w1e, yes tehre is
[11:14] <insanekane> _Uzul_: probably not the right fonts
[11:14] <shad0w1e> just after i opened it
[11:15] <shad0w1e> it did, every time automaticallu
[11:15] <kakalto> shad0w1e, almost everything can be launched on startup,  you just have to make a small bash script
[11:15] <_Uzul_> hm.. i tryed around with fonts and screen font maps ...
[11:16] <shad0w1e> kakalto: it does it automatically
[11:16] <thoreauputic> kakalto apt-cache show kbear
[11:16] <ricka> hello
[11:16] <kakalto> shad0w1e, ok
[11:16] <kakalto> thoreauputic, thanks
[11:16] <shad0w1e> how do i get the icon for it though?
[11:16] <shad0w1e> where would it be
[11:16] <_Uzul_> but its fishing in the fog, cause i don't know the right settings
[11:16] <kakalto> thoreauputic, I'm getting it
[11:16] <shad0w1e> /usr/bin/krandrtray
[11:16] <shad0w1e> where is icon?
[11:16] <kakalto> so why didn't they name it kftp?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> kakalto: no idea :)
[11:16] <Chin2> _Uzul_, does this help? http://www.linux.com/howtos/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-4.shtml
[11:16] <shad0w1e> my favorite   is korganizer (as for the name)
[11:17] <shad0w1e> and konversation
[11:17] <_Uzul_> i'll check it..
[11:17] <ricka> I've just installed kubuntu, and I've been unable to mount my other partitions (windows partitions)
[11:17] <thoreauputic> kakalto: with a name like kbear, it should be named "koala" ;)
[11:17] <Chin2> _Uzul_ look at the middle of the page
[11:17] <kakalto> thoreauputic, :D
[11:17] <ricka> it says I need to edit the fstabs file, but I'm not fluent enough to be sure I'll do that correctly
[11:17] <insanekane> ricka: open a console, and type "sudo apt-get install pmount" and press enter
[11:17] <_Peter> hello again :)
[11:18] <insanekane> ricka: then, look into "Storage Media" on the kickerbar/taskbar
[11:18] <insanekane> ricka: kicker-panel ie
[11:18] <shad0w1e> where are the kde icons stored ???
[11:18] <insanekane> shad0w1e: /usr/share/icons/
[11:18] <shad0w1e> thanks
[11:18] <insanekane> shad0w1e: generally under crystalsvg
[11:18] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: /usr/share/icons I think
[11:19] <insanekane> shad0w1e: it depends on ur icon theme for the correct subdirectory
[11:19] <ricka> insanekane: yes I'd seen that
[11:19] <ricka> but the partitions weren't mounted
[11:20] <insanekane> ricka: err ... u see icons in Storage media ?
[11:20] <ricka> yes
[11:20] <insanekane> and when u click on them, it doesnt open ?
[11:20] <ricka> no
[11:20] <insanekane> ricka: ok, so open a console, type "sudo apt-get install pmount" and press enter ..
[11:20] <ricka> did that
[11:20] <insanekane> and ?
[11:21] <ricka> it reported pmount already newest version
[11:21] <insanekane> umm  ...
[11:21] <_Uzul_> hm... insane. loadkeys seems to fix it.
[11:21] <insanekane> ricka: ok, try right clicking on the icons in storage media and see if there is a mount option
[11:21] <_Uzul_> but i tryed it already
[11:21] <ricka> there is, it doesn't work
[11:21] <insanekane> _Uzul_: load keys ?
[11:21] <insanekane> ricka: hrmmm
[11:21] <shad0w1e> I found it
[11:21] <shad0w1e> thanks!
[11:21] <shad0w1e> i did a find *ranr* in /usr/share/icons
[11:21] <kakalto> kbear seriously bad/
[11:22] <ricka> can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:22] <kakalto> :(
[11:22] <insanekane> ricka: ok ..
[11:22] <kakalto> kbear sux0r
[11:22] <insanekane> do this ..
[11:22] <kakalto> :(
[11:22] <Chin2> _Uzul_, it works now?
[11:22] <insanekane> open a console ...
[11:22] <ricka> yes
[11:22] <_Uzul_> right in the moment, yes
[11:22] <kakalto> kbear crashed when I tried to transfer a file.
[11:22] <shad0w1e> in general
[11:22] <shad0w1e> how to directories work?
[11:22] <shad0w1e> what is /usr
[11:22] <insanekane> ricka: open a console. type "mkdir mnt1" press enter ... then do "sudo mount /dev/hda1 ./mnt1" press enter again ...
[11:22] <ricka> I can use vi if you want me to edit those fiels
[11:23] <insanekane> ricka: then open konqueror and go to the home directory, browse to mnt1, and see if ur disk shows
[11:23] <shad0w1e> whats diff between /usr/local and /usr/share
[11:23] <shad0w1e> what would iexpect to find in each of them?
[11:23] <_Uzul_> i think the wrong keymap is loaded defaultly
[11:23] <ricka> that works
[11:24] <ricka> I can open the disk and view the contents
[11:24] <_Uzul_> seems to be the english...
[11:24] <insanekane> shad0w1e: well, the diff between /usr/ and /usr/local ... is generally, that /usr contains the apps (and related files) for apps installed with the OS (or deb packages) and /usr/local is for stuff you compile and install .. but u can easily break those rules
[11:24] <insanekane> ricka: hmm its funny ... is this the install version or the Live CD version ?
[11:24] <ricka> install version
[11:24] <_Uzul_> anyway... thanks for the fish :)
[11:24] <ricka> the pc is a barebone, so it's some kind of special motherboard
[11:25] <insanekane> ricka: did you have to do "sudo apt-get install pmount" before ?
[11:25] <ricka> maybe that makes a difference?
[11:25] <ricka> no
[11:25] <shad0w1e> so the /usr , generally is a "Program Files" ??
[11:25] <insanekane> hmm ok ..
[11:25] <insanekane> ricka: hmm ok .... i dont know what the exact problem is ... but editing fstab is probably the best way to go about it for now
[11:25] <insanekane> ricka: ie, the best way to go about reading your disks
[11:25] <_Uzul_> shad0w1e: something like that, yes :)
[11:26] <shad0w1e> thanks
[11:26] <ricka> ok ...
[11:26] <ricka> I haven't done an apt-get upgrade yet
[11:26] <ricka> should I do that now first?
[11:27] <insanekane> ricka: err ... did some other process/application ask you to do that /
[11:27] <insanekane> ?
[11:27] <ricka> no
[11:27] <shad0w1e> whats in /usr/share ?
[11:27] <ricka> but just to make sure everything is updated
[11:27] <insanekane> ricka: this is the stock kubuntu right ?
[11:27] <insanekane> ricka: ie, you havent installed anything after u installed kubuntu to disk
[11:27] <ricka> nothing
[11:28] <ricka> clean install
[11:28] <insanekane> ricka: ok, this problem is probably not related to it ..
[11:28] <shad0w1e> cd ..
[11:28] <shad0w1e> grr oops
[11:28] <insanekane> ricka: you can of course do upgrade ... but it may or may not fix ur problem
[11:28] <insanekane> ricka: the best/most reliable way is to edit fstab
[11:28] <ricka> no, I realize that, but isn't it normally sensible to make sure you have the newest of everything
[11:28] <ricka> yes, I'm taking a look at that now
[11:29] <insanekane> ricka: yes it is sensible to get the latest *stable* versions of everything
[11:29] <ricka> does kubuntu care where I mount my disks?
[11:29] <insanekane> ricka: not really no
[11:29] <ricka> does it usually do media or mnt?
[11:29] <ricka> it seems to be media
[11:29] <shad0w1e> thanks guys im out
[11:29] <insanekane> it usually opens things in /media/
[11:30] <_Uzul_> ouch.. now midnightcommander is misbehaving...
[11:30] <_Uzul_> no lines for linedrawing...
[11:30] <insanekane> ricka: anyway ... look at the examples in fstab ... you will see how easy it is to define new mountpoints, and to automatically mount them on startup if necessary
[11:32] <Chin2> does anyone ever have this happen where after an app has started the loading cursor is still bouncing?
[11:32] <ricka> hmm, ll doesn't work
[11:33] <_Uzul_> Chin2: normal behaviour for apps that don't tell kde that they finished starting
[11:33] <Chin2> okay, thanks
[11:33] <Chin2> it's just a bit annoying :)
[11:34] <_Uzul_> you can configure it in the menuconfiguration or you change the behaviour of the coursor
[11:34] <Chin2> how do I do the first option?
[11:35] <Chin2> is that "launch feedback" option?
[11:35] <_Uzul_> right click on the K-Button in the bar
[11:35] <ricka> if I try to mount the disk now, it says only root can do that
[11:35] <_Uzul_> yes exact
[11:35] <Chin2> I'm there
[11:35] <Chin2> okay, thanks
[11:35] <ricka> I remember there's an option in fstab
[11:35] <gdh> 'user'
[11:35] <gdh> man fstab
[11:36] <kubuntero> bittorrent client for kde ? 
[11:37] <_Uzul_> kmldonkey with mldonkey-server ...
[11:37] <_Uzul_> so you got X in one ;)
[11:42] <zack> there's qtorrent
[11:46] <Macavity> ok.. ive got this *wierd* broblem with my self made 2.6.10 kernel...
[11:46] <Macavity> when i attempt to boot it the screen goes blank and *noooothing* happnes
[11:47] <_Uzul_> smells like kernelfreeze :)
[11:48] <ricka> next question: my keyboard is configure incorrectly
[11:48] <ricka> but I have no idea which one I should choose
[11:48] <ricka> I've found: dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[11:48] <_Uzul_> but this reminds me about my problem with the nvidia-driver...
[11:49] <ricka> I'm guessing I have an US international keyboard (that's what it is under windows), but the keys are not configured correctly
[11:49] <ricka> I've tried all three variants
[11:49] <abarbaccia> hey all - what do u guys think about kubuntu
[11:50] <_Uzul_> do you have wrong characters on the keys?
[11:50] <ricka> no, the characters are okay
[11:50] <ricka> it's the shift+number keys, and the special token keys
[11:51] <ricka> 2,3 are wrong
[11:51] <_Uzul_> on real console or in KDE?
[11:52] <ricka> and I have two \| keys (one next to the z, and another next to the enter. The one next to the enter doesn't work correctly
[11:52] <ricka> konsole
[11:52] <abarbaccia> crimsun, hey
[11:52] <ricka> the KDE console
[11:52] <_Uzul_> ah, ok...
[11:52] <ricka> and in KDE itself also
[11:53] <ricka> it seems to be only those three keys
[11:53] <_Uzul_> ok. that trick with dpkg-reconfigure locales isn't the right one with your problem...
[11:54] <ricka> hmm, and the " (on the 2) and the @ (on the ') are switched
[11:54] <_Uzul_> try the "variant" option in the keyboard section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf 
[11:54] <_Uzul_> or go to the controlcenter and change the keyboard there
[11:55] <ricka> there's no option in the controlcenter to change the type of keyboard
[11:55] <ricka> I already looked under peripherals->keyboard
[11:55] <ricka> ah, nevermind
[11:55] <ricka> I've found something under regional
[11:56] <ricka> yep, got it working now
[11:56] <ricka> thanks
[11:56] <_Uzul_> sorry, i meant that ..
[11:56] <ricka> no matter, should have seen that earlier
[11:56] <abarbaccia> hey, is gaim included with kubuntu
[11:57] <_Uzul_> not by default
[11:57] <ricka> hmm, if I do 'sudo apt-get upgrade' it doesn't do anything
[11:57] <gdh> abarbaccia: no, use Kopete instead =)
[11:58] <abarbaccia> yea, see im debating between kubuntu and ubuntu - im a kde guy - i was looking at distrowatch.com and saw gaim listed but didnt think it was right - iwas reading the chart wrong
[11:58] <ricka> it says '0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded'
[11:58] <_Uzul_> normaly this means that there are no updates...
[11:58] <ricka> ok
[11:58] <ricka> but shouldn't it then say X not upgraded?
[11:58] <ricka> but okay ;)
[11:59] <abarbaccia> ricka - apt-get update first?
[11:59] <ricka> did that
[11:59] <ricka> how can I most easily install firefox and thunderbird?
[11:59] <_Uzul_> no, X not upgraded means that there are packages that could be upgraded, but they arent, cause that means deeper changings to the system
[11:59] <abarbaccia> ricka, they should be installed already no?
[11:59] <ricka> I found something about adding a backport server
[11:59] <_Uzul_> those packages you have to dist-upgrade
[11:59] <ricka> I see
[12:00] <ricka> apt-get dist-upgrade firefox?
[12:00] <abarbaccia> just apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:00] <_Uzul_> no,
[12:00] <_Uzul_> apt-get -s install mozilla-firefox
[12:00] <exciton> when trying to run some kde apps I get this error
[12:00] <exciton> X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11
[12:00] <exciton>   Major opcode:  78
[12:00] <exciton>   Minor opcode:  0
[12:00] <exciton>   Resource id:  0x49
[12:00] <_Uzul_> than you see what _would_ be done, without be done
[12:00] <sobersabre> hi guys... what is "kubuntu" ? kde version of ubuntu ?
[12:01] <_Uzul_> than 
[12:01] <_Uzul_> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:01] <exciton> sobersabre: Yes