[12:00] <beans> Hi. Can I control where apt-get -d downloads to?
[12:00] <WeirdAl> If I unmount it as root and re-mount it as me, it's owned by root.
[12:00] <linuxn00b> hey, guys I got a prob. I got a linksys wireless router and my ubuntu box is connected directly to it. but WinSCP can't ssh into it.
[12:00] <ubnuser> can anybody help me with this ?
[12:00] <stas> http://pastebin.com/271377
[12:00] <stas> that's my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:00] <WeirdAl> I'll create a folder *under* /wine and use that.
[12:01] <webtoe> WeirdAl: that's where the umask option comes in. i think. try putting umask=000
[12:01] <jgeorgeson> ubnuser, just go to a page that needs flash, and it will install the plugin in your profile directory
[12:01] <ubnuser> k, i'll try :)
[12:01] <WeirdAl> I did mkdir /wine/.config as root and then chown me:me /wine/.config and it's still root's!
[12:01] <WeirdAl> Is that right for chown?
[12:02] <linuxn00b> anyone?
[12:02] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, so you umount /wine, edit fstab to have defaults,users, mount as yourself, and it's all owned as root?
[12:02] <djm62> linuxn00b: ssh into what, exactly?
[12:02] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, chown syntax looks fine
[12:02] <linuxn00b> my ubuntu box.
[12:03] <linuxn00b> I can ping it but thats it
[12:03] <djm62> is sshd installed and running?
[12:03] <jgeorgeson> linuxn00b, did you start sshd?
[12:03] <stas> how can I make gaim start up when I log in to Ubuntu?
[12:03] <linuxn00b> I belive so
[12:03] <jgeorgeson> stas, start gaim, then when you log out check the 'Save session' checkbox
[12:03] <djm62> stas: when you log out, leave gaim running, and save session
[12:03] <camcorder> stas: you need to add it to your session
[12:03] <stas> oh
[12:03] <stas> I never logout
[12:03] <WeirdAl> ...
[12:03] <jgeorgeson> stas, or go to System->Preferences->Session, click the startup programs, click add, and type in gaim
[12:03] <djm62> well, do it once :)
[12:03] <stas> I just end up ctrl-alt-backspcing
[12:03] <WeirdAl> Then why do you want it to start when you log in?
[12:04] <stas> but then it restarts
[12:04] <linuxn00b> jgeorgeson, I get this "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path"
[12:04] <ubnuser> jgeorgeson, the plugin finder service is stuck :(
[12:04] <stas> and I have to start gaim everytime
[12:04] <stas> if I log out once
[12:04] <stas> will it start
[12:04] <djm62> yes
[12:04] <stas> from ctrlaltbackspaces?
[12:04] <WeirdAl> Log out once and save the session.
[12:04] <WeirdAl> ctrl-alt-backspace shouldn't log you out at all, but if it makes it reset then you'll log in with the last saved session.
[12:04] <jgeorgeson> stas, if you log out cleanly gdm should be there waiting
[12:04] <WeirdAl> :-\
[12:04] <djm62> stas: but why not create a logout button on the desktop, or even a keyboard shortcut?
[12:05] <ubnuser> on the license arggment :(
[12:05] <_phate_> Whats a good Gnutella/Gnutella2 client for Ubuntu/Linux
[12:05] <ubnuser> nm, works :)
[12:05] <omeg> Can anybody help me upgrade from Warty to Hoary? The installation instructions on the Wiki didn't work because of an error.
[12:05] <stas> cool
[12:05] <stas> can I make gaim start minimized?
[12:05] <webtoe> omeg: what error?
[12:05] <djm62> omeg: what error?
[12:05] <webtoe> jinx
[12:05] <camcorder> stats: that depends on if gaim support that, but afaik it does not
[12:05] <_phate_> omeg, recommend just formating and restoring
[12:05] <djm62> (EE) double jinx
[12:05] <omeg> Well, I changed the config file like mentioned here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:06] <djm62> but what error message do you get?
[12:06] <omeg> But then I started the synaptic package manager, and it told me it couldn't find the files specified.
[12:06] <omeg> "error 2"
[12:06] <WeirdAl> yo webtoe
[12:06] <WeirdAl> Now I can't mount it at all!
[12:06] <revelater> how do i play quicktime files?
[12:06] <omeg> "Couldn't stat source package list"
[12:06] <WeirdAl> wrong fs type, bad option etc.
[12:06] <webtoe> WeirdAl: It wasn't me!!! :-P
[12:06] <webtoe> what does the line look like?
[12:06] <djm62> omeg: can you type 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[12:07] <omeg> I'll try that, djm62
[12:07] <djm62> that should give you more info
[12:07] <john_> IHOP needs to do delivery
[12:07] <revelater> !!
[12:07] <revelater> how do i play quicktime files?
[12:07] <john_> I need eggs and pancake
[12:07] <WeirdAl> /dev/hda4 /wine ext2 defaults,user,umask=000 0 0
[12:07] <john_> pancakes*
[12:07] <WeirdAl> I suppose I should add noauto
[12:07] <_phate_> Revelator: I dunno if you can
[12:07] <omeg> It just downloaded a bunch of files, djm, and then it gave me this error:
[12:07] <WeirdAl> but that's not the point
[12:07] <omeg> Want me to paste in PM?
[12:07] <djm62> revelater: no need to repeat...mplayer works, with win32codecs
[12:07] <webtoe> revelator: with mplayer
[12:08] <linuxn00b> anyone?
[12:08] <omeg> Anyway, this was what it said:
[12:08] <Ubuntu_Beginner> I am trying to install ubuntu but the installation aborts at the install base part every time. Any body can help?
[12:08] <omeg> Fetched 873kB in 2s (307kB/s)
[12:08] <omeg> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:08] <omeg> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:08] <kanuha> Help, I downloaded a .deb package and don't know how to install it.
[12:08] <webtoe> WeirdAl: should be users for a start. try that
[12:08] <Burgundavia> kanuha, what are you looking to install?
[12:09] <omeg> Hmm
[12:09] <djm62> omeg: is another process using it? quit synaptic or whatever
[12:09] <Sionide> http://sionide.net/ubuntu.mp3
[12:09] <kanuha> knetstats I downloaded the .deb package
[12:09] <WeirdAl> The other lines say user
[12:09] <omeg> I just redid the process after closing synaptic =)
[12:09] <WeirdAl> So I'm putting user :-\
[12:09] <webtoe> ok dokey
[12:09] <omeg> It seems to be working now. But strange that Synaptic couldn't do it.
[12:09] <webtoe> :-)
[12:09] <revelater> ok
[12:09] <omeg> Thanks. =)
[12:09] <Burgundavia> kanuha, sudo dpkg -i knetstats.deb
[12:09] <Ubuntu_Beginner> I am trying to install ubuntu but the installation aborts at the install base part every time. Any body can help??
[12:09] <WeirdAl> Anyway, it lets me mount it when the umask isn't wrong.
[12:09] <desrt> stas; poke
[12:09] <Burgundavia> kanuha, always try and use syntaptic first
[12:09] <omeg> These servers are pretty fast.
[12:10] <stas> hey desrt!
[12:10] <omeg> 340KB/s...
[12:10] <desrt> i have your shit :)
[12:10] <djm62> omeg: no probs....synaptic will probably start being happy again when you've upgraded
[12:10] <stas> :)
[12:10] <stas> score
[12:10] <desrt> i changed the password to "secret"
[12:10] <omeg> Terminals are cool, though, djm62 ;)
[12:10] <revelater> hey guys, when i try to su in a terminal my password doesn't work...
[12:10] <stas> I managed to grab it off elsewhere again
[12:10] <WeirdAl> If I do it as ext3 will I have more luck, maybe?
[12:10] <stas> heh
[12:10] <desrt> ah
[12:10] <stas> I don't really need it much anymore
[12:10] <stas> :))
[12:10] <desrt> ok
[12:10] <stas> you can trash it all
[12:10] <desrt> i'll nuke it then :)
[12:10] <revelater> desrt DONT TELL EVERYONE!!!
[12:10] <stas> speaking of nuking
[12:10] <xTina> hi
[12:10] <ubnuser> i try to do apt-get install w32codecs but it tells me i cant find it (i added universal), why?
[12:10] <stas> can I make the defaust nautilus behavior to nuke files
[12:10] <neemz> Hey folks is there any way I can do a net install of ubuntu?
[12:11] <stas> instead of storing it in that shitty trashbin
[12:11] <omeg> I wonder if there's an ED2K client for Linux...
[12:11] <stas> omeg: xmule :)
[12:11] <sladen> neemz: yes.
[12:11] <webtoe> WeirdAl: not sure. There is a slight difference with user and users as the latter will work for everyone. Though i think its only to do with mounting and not the owner of the device
[12:11] <omeg> I'm gonna go find that right now. Thanks.
[12:11] <xTina> Anyone around with experience with fully-automated Ubuntu installations, maintaining large lab setups and stuff?
[12:11] <revelater> omeg: emule, its more stable
[12:11] <desrt> stas; the best you can do is to add a menu item to'delete' instead of 'move to trash'
[12:11] <neemz> sladen: is it complex or as easy as a net install CD?
[12:11] <Burgundavia> ubnuser, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:11] <desrt> stas; but shift+delete will also delete files (instead of trashing them)
[12:11] <stas> :|
[12:11] <WeirdAl> Yeah, made no odds.
[12:12] <stas> yeah I know the shift-delete thing
[12:12] <stas> ;p
[12:12] <stas> in Windows, you can disable the trashbin altogether
[12:12] <desrt> i don't think there is any way to make it so 'delete' deletes
[12:12] <kanuha> Burgundavia, I get this error when trying that command: status database area is locked by another process
[12:12] <revelater> hey guys, when i try to su in a terminal my password doesn't work...
[12:12] <ubnuser> i'll check it, tn
[12:12] <ubnuser> x
[12:12] <zxc_> hey, I have a quick question, everything you download using synaptic and it installs, where does it go? like a folder whise? (the installed apps)
 omeg: emule, its more stable <-- wait, isn't xmule THE emule for linux?
[12:12] <desrt> i like the trash :)
[12:12] <stas> it even goes away from your desktop
[12:12] <stas> I hate the trash ;p
[12:12] <imperfect-> Anyone know what I can do to make samba shares visible to MAC OS X ?
[12:12] <stas> I always delete stuff to free up space
[12:12] <Burgundavia> kanuha, need to shutdown synaptic first
[12:12] <stas> but then forget to empty the trash!
[12:12] <sladen> neemz: configuring the PXE can be a pain the first time.  After that it's dead easy
[12:12] <revelater> omeg: sorry, amule is the name
[12:12] <imperfect-> My windows shares were visible without any work -- I wonder if there is some sort of smb announcing I need to be doing?
[12:12] <omeg> I see
[12:13] <martinhj> revelater, if you need to use su instead of sudo, use: "sudo su"
[12:13] <omeg> I'll try both
[12:13] <camcorder> stas: you can make that w/ nautilut too
[12:13] <djm62> zxc_:  /var/cache/apt/archives, I believe
[12:13] <revelater> omeg: you cannot, one will delte the other
[12:13] <camcorder> stats: /apps/nautilus/preferences/enable_delete
[12:13] <camcorder> make that true
[12:13] <revelater> omeg: unless you try one at a time
[12:13] <WeirdAl> gah
[12:13] <martinhj> revelater, in gnome, Ubuntu dosn't use gksu, but gksudo
[12:13] <martinhj> sudo is the thing;-)
[12:14] <revelater> ok
[12:14] <webtoe> Mac os x can read samba shares just fine
[12:14] <revelater> i just like using su
[12:14] <webtoe> as long as you are part of the same workgroup
[12:14] <WeirdAl> How can I format this partition as ext3?
[12:14] <WeirdAl> I'd use qparted but it's shite and won't.
[12:14] <WeirdAl> It'll only do ext2
[12:14] <revelater> omeg: if xmule starts acting wierd on you switch over to amule
[12:14] <SeamusLP> revelater:  When I need root for extended periods of time I just do sudo bash
[12:14] <martinhj> revelater, but then do as I said (sudo su), then you can use your ordinary password and su at the same time
[12:14] <kyncani> WeirdAl: mke3fs, or tune2fs -j
[12:15] <revelater> i see
[12:15] <scizzo> WeirdAl: tried using fs2ext3 or something like that?
[12:15] <imperfect-> Anyone know?
[12:15] <scizzo> mke2fs might be the one
[12:15] <zxc_> hmm, when you install something of synaptic should it go into your taskbar?
[12:15] <kyncani> WeirdAl: mke2fs -j  or tune2fs -j
[12:15] <zxc_> as lots of mine haven't
[12:15] <WeirdAl> Never heard of any of them :-) Guess that's why I'm here asking.
[12:15] <zxc_> yet they're installed
[12:15] <kanuha> Burgundavia, thank you, that worked
[12:15] <webtoe> imperfect-: : mac os x can read samba shares fine
[12:16] <djm62> zxc_: not necessarily...sometimes that wouldn't make sense
[12:16] <webtoe> you just need to ensure that the mac is in the same workgroup
[12:16] <Burgundavia> kanuha, synaptic and dpkg all use the same package db and only one can use it at a time
[12:16] <djm62> (other times, packages aren't as integrated as they ought to be)
[12:16] <imperfect-> I know that I can, but I cannot browse for them in the same way that I could when it was being shared under XP.
[12:16] <zxc_> djm62, so how do I install them?
[12:16] <catfly> hi everyone
[12:16] <imperfect-> I assume there is a annouce config or something I need to change.
[12:17] <djm62> zxc_: you can add a launcher to the taskbar...what are you talking about?
[12:17] <WeirdAl> thanks kyncani
[12:17] <webtoe> you should be able to. I'm afraid i'm not too good at samba config. But it is the server end you need to check up on. Or was the mac the server?
[12:17] <kyncani> WeirdAl: np :)
[12:17] <djm62> zxc_: (which program, I mean)
[12:17] <imperfect-> Yeah, I'm not using smbclient
[12:17] <imperfect-> Except only to make sure the share is actually there
[12:18] <imperfect-> plus I checked the smb.conf directly
[12:18] <imperfect-> and it looks fine
[12:18] <zxc_> basically, I've downloaded loadsa stuff of synaptic of which a lot hasn't shown up in taskbar, though it says it installed. I want to know where I can access these programs from (not there .deb packages) so I can use the djm62
[12:18] <linuxn00b> anyone know anything about winscp??
[12:18] <zxc_> *use them
[12:18] <cusco> hi... I have this big problem...
[12:18] <imperfect-> linuxn00b: use sftp ;_
[12:18] <per02> is it just me or there haven't been any updates for horay since the release?
[12:18] <cusco> my cd-burner device is not recogniosed
[12:18] <imperfect-> linuxn00b: it'll do the same thing
[12:18] <djm62> zxc_: you can type their name's from any console
[12:18] <cusco> I can read cd's but I can't burn them
[12:18] <cusco> please help me
[12:18] <kyncani> zxc_: dpkg -L  will tell you which files a pkg installed
[12:18] <djm62> per02: that's the idea of releasing it
[12:19] <zxc_> djm62, isn't there anywhere where I can see them listed as icons I can click :/
[12:19] <per02> djm62: k
[12:19] <zxc_> almost like program files
[12:19] <Agrajag> updates, other than security patches, go into breezy's repos now
[12:19] <imperfect-> djm62: I can undertand why he woudl expect them to pop up in a menu.
[12:19] <catfly> I need help getting gok (onscreen keybd) working in hoary - error says needs libatk-bridge ?? I apt-got libatk* but still no joy ??
[12:19] <linuxn00b> well what I was is to transfer the files quickly but I can't see to get pas 1MBps going from WinXP to ubuntu. but ubuntu to ubuntu goes at like 9ish
[12:19] <imperfect-> zxc_: you could browse to /usr/local/bin or whereever it is ;)
[12:19] <omeg> hmm
[12:19] <omeg> how do I install xmule
[12:20] <omeg> there's an installation document but it contains all kinds of talk about compiling stuff
[12:20] <kanuha> zxc, you can open up a terminal window and type the program name in and most of the time it will open.
[12:20] <imperfect-> catfly: sounds stupid but you could try ldconfig
[12:21] <djm62> zxc_: or you can right-click on the panel ->Add to Panel->Run Application, so you create an icon for it (if you use it frequently)
[12:21] <Burgundavia> omeg, apt-get install xmule
[12:21] <catfly> omeg, xmule is in apt-get, if you can't find it with sudo apt-cache search then add more repositories.
[12:21] <omeg> okay, thanks
[12:22] <hackeron> is there anything like prustat for dtrace on linux? (http://users.tpg.com.au/adsln4yb/DTrace/prustat_example.txt)
[12:22] <catfly> imperfect, with ldconfig do I need any options? do I need to find the package to make a link ??
[12:23] <WeirdAl> dudes, it says "uid=1000" is an unrecognised mount option.
[12:23] <WeirdAl> :-(
[12:23] <catfly> what is **error** could not locate registry ??
[12:23] <kyncani> WeirdAl: -o uid=1000  i think
[12:24] <webtoe> thats coz it should be umask=000!! I don't know why it won't work. always did for me
[12:24] <WeirdAl> kyncani, In fstab?
[12:24] <webtoe> sorry ranting
[12:24] <webtoe> catfly: no options, just run ldconfig
[12:24] <kent> will "sudo dpkg -i package.deb" upgrade a package if i already have an older version? I downloaded wordpress 1.5 from debian unstable and wanted to try it, and I have wordpress 1.2.2 from ubuntu hoary already installed. (with none configuration, I have not used it yet..)
[12:24] <Burgundavia> kent, yes it will, provided the new version doesnt have newer deps
[12:25] <CygnusX1> Hello.  I need ubuntu to pass its hostname to my DHCP server on boot.  I have been directed to man interfaces.  After reading this and looking at /etc/network, I am thouroughly confused.
[12:25] <catfly> webtoe, ran ldconfig seemed ok but still no joy with gok, cant find module libatk-bridge and error couldn't locate registry ???
[12:25] <kyncani> WeirdAl: nope. which fs are you trying to mount ?
[12:25] <will> whats the best program for running an FTP server in ubuntu
[12:26] <kent> Burgundavia, thanks. It seems it broke it now (wordpress showed nice with the ubuntu version, but hey.. this deb is from debian unstable, so i cant expect it to work without some problems..)
[12:26] <WeirdAl> I'm trying to mount /dev/hda4, which is ext3, as /wine, but owned by me rather than by root.
[12:26] <WeirdAl> webtoe, your umask=000 also doesn't work.
[12:26] <webtoe> oh well
[12:27] <kyncani> WeirdAl: that's not the way. You mount ext3 by root and change files ownership by root
[12:27] <WeirdAl> But I want that partition to be used for wine. Hence /wine
[12:27] <WeirdAl> But I can't configure wine as root, so I need user access on /wine
[12:27] <webtoe> CygnusX1: you need to check what dhcp program is being used and then look in its man page
[12:27] <kyncani> WeirdAl: well, make some /wine/youruser directory and give youruser ownership to it
[12:28] <webtoe> CygnusX1: for example, dhcpcd uses the -h flag to send the hostname
[12:28] <will> whats the best program for running an FTP server in ubuntu
[12:28] <WeirdAl> OK...
[12:28] <CygnusX1> webtoe, It is a default install.
[12:28] <webtoe> hmm well i'm on my mac box at the moment. I think ubunutu uses dhclient so use the manpage for that
[12:28] <webtoe> think you set it in the config files under /etc/
[12:29] <bobi> hi everyone
[12:29] <WeirdAl> Ah, that worked. Thanks kyncani
[12:29] <WeirdAl> I couldn't do that with ext2
[12:29] <kyncani> WeirdAl: ;)
[12:29] <WeirdAl> thanks for trying webtoe :-)
[12:29] <catfly> tried ldconfig -v and no libatk-bridge ???
[12:29] <kyncani> WeirdAl: sure you could (for the ownership thing)
[12:29] <WeirdAl> No ... i tried it :(
[12:29] <abarbaccia|sleep> hey guys - im about to try out ubuntu for the 1st time, anything i should watch out for with install?
[12:29] <webtoe> no worries WeirdAl
[12:29] <WeirdAl> It just stayed as root.
[12:30] <kyncani> WeirdAl: you've just made some error trying it is all
[12:30] <CygnusX1> webtoe, Okay...I am going to poke around again and see if I can figure out which script is running the dhcp client.
[12:30] <WeirdAl> Probably.
[12:30] <WeirdAl> Oh well, it works now
[12:30] <WeirdAl> I'm off to bed. Cheers guys/gals
[12:30] <webtoe> night night
[12:31] <kyncani> abarbaccia|sleep: nope, install went very well for me here :)
[12:31] <tm|werk> hi.  what pkg should I install to get java in mozilla firefox?
[12:31] <kyncani> abarbaccia|sleep: _nothing_ to do (i mean it)
[12:31] <webtoe> CygnusX1: well just come back if you want some more help. Might be able to help...... possibly
[12:31] <aimaz> tm|werk, there is a non-free script that can help you with that
[12:31] <aimaz> hang on I'll find it for you
[12:31] <tm|werk> aimaz: that installs the sun jre?
[12:32] <tm|werk> thx
[12:32] <catfly> tm|werk, easy howto for java in firefox here : http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:32] <aimaz> oh, no just java in firefox
[12:32] <aimaz> not the jre
[12:32] <zxc_> how do I change the fonts/style of the text underneath the icons on the desktop?
[12:32] <CygnusX1> webtoe, Thank you,
[12:32] <aimaz> i don't think it is sun java
[12:32] <abarbaccia|sleep> what version of firefox is with ubuntu
[12:32] <kyncani> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[12:32] <kyncani> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[12:32] <kyncani> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[12:32] <kyncani> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[12:32] <kyncani> +++-[12:32] <kyncani> ii  mozilla-firefo 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[12:32] <Shuddertrix> version 1.0.2
[12:32] <kyncani> ooops, sorry
[12:32] <ubnuser> why can't i SSH to my unbuntbu from outside ? i get error after entienr logon
[12:33] <Shuddertrix> I believe that is the lastest for linux, IIRC
[12:33] <ubnuser> it tells me it can't login via any of the auth methods ?
[12:33] <aimaz> tm|werk, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&page=10&pp=10
[12:33] <dcraven> Oh lovely it looks as though breezy defaults to gcc 4.0.. That's gonna bring on some pain. lol
[12:33] <webtoe> lol
[12:33] <tm|werk> aimaz: thanks
[12:34] <will> whats the best program for running an FTP server in ubuntu
[12:34] <webtoe> i personally am excited by all the new fortran compiling we will be able to do
[12:34] <kyncani> ha ha
[12:34] <DracosX> will: best is (as always) subjective
[12:34] <aimaz> tm|werk, wait, it's this one you want http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860&page=1&pp=10
[12:34] <ubnuser> can anybody help me fix ssh so i can login ?
[12:34] <dcraven> webtoe, I'm all for 4.0, but for example module compiling won't work as I doubt the kernels are using it just yet.
[12:34] <tm|werk> aimaz: ok :)
[12:35] <aimaz> tm|werk, I assume you know how to bunzip and run a script
[12:35] <dcraven> webtoe, simple symlink will revert it, but the new folk  don't know that.
[12:35] <webtoe> dcraven: it was sarcasm! though i didn't realise that their would be problems with the kernel. I just assumed they would have to recompile everything
[12:35] <stpere> hey
[12:35] <webtoe> oh i see the problem
[12:36] <Shuddertrix> proftpd works great in cases when vsftpd just won't. vsftpd is rock-solid in ubuntu, very fortunate for that
[12:36] <webtoe> people who upgrade will need to upgrade alllll their binaries
[12:36] <webtoe> is that right?
[12:36] <dcraven> webtoe, I just tested my ndiswrapper howto from scratch and got a fatal error trying to modprobe the module because of it.
[12:36] <ubnuser> anybody here knows how to use ssh  ?!?
[12:36] <tm|werk> ubnuser: what's going with ssh?
[12:36] <stpere> ubnuser: yeah, kindof
[12:37] <dcraven> webtoe, I wondered what all those weird new warnings were during the compile that I never noticed before... haha
[12:37] <webtoe> ubnuser: i have used it as well but need details on the box you're ssh'ing to etc
[12:37] <ubnuser> i did apt-get install ssh
[12:37] <ubnuser> it installed, but when i try to login
[12:37] <ubnuser> i put username (from remote machine), and get, coudltn connect on any auth method
[12:37] <ubnuser> (it didnt even ask for passwd)
[12:37] <aimaz> ubnuser, that is the client, you need sshd or ssh-server i think
[12:38] <aimaz> oh nm me
[12:38] <webtoe> dcraven: i was reading an article on the new gcc4 yesterday and I get the feeling that it won't be until later releases until we see the exciting stuff. Like amazing optimizations
[12:38] <dcraven> openssh-server I think it is.
[12:38] <ubnuser> the documentation said ssh installs the server (it made a key)
[12:38] <ubnuser> so what is the ssh package contain?
[12:38] <DracosX> yes, the ssh package depends on openssh-server
[12:38] <dcraven> webtoe, yeah, but the crowded forums and IRC channels will be immediate ;)
[12:38] <webtoe> oh no...... i'll have to stay off irc for a bit
[12:39] <ubnuser> is there somewhere i need to set ip range or so?
[12:39] <ubnuser> cause i can ssh localhost
[12:39] <ubnuser> but i can't ssh from remote host
[12:39] <DracosX> just make sure port 22 is open (unless you've changed the default port) and it should work "out of the box"
[12:39] <webtoe> ubnuser have you configured ssh using any of the files in /etc?
[12:39] <ubnuser> it dosnt work
[12:40] <ubnuser> webtoe: no
[12:40] <webtoe> k hang on a sec
[12:40] <ubnuser> k
[12:40] <dcraven> webtoe, don't get me wrong, it's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Just a heads up to the support folks in here for those types of errors.
[12:40] <webtoe> true true
[12:42] <ubnuser> webtoe ?
[12:42] <gratuit> does anyone know if there are any free dns servers out there? my ISPs dns seems to go out on a regular basis.....
[12:42] <webtoe> yes i'm just looking at some documentation for you
[12:42] <dcraven> Anyone wanna proofread my ndiswrapper howto?
[12:42] <DracosX> gratuit: 4.2.2.2
[12:42] <webtoe> dcraven: I can do in a sec or two if you want
[12:42] <gratuit> DracosX: that's easy to remember
[12:43] <kent> gratuit, dyndns.org?
[12:43] <gratuit> DracosX: thanks
[12:43] <dcraven> webtoe, thanks --> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[12:43] <DracosX> no problem
[12:43] <gratuit> kent: I was thkning more on the lookup side
[12:43] <MrNonchalant> woot, firestarter rocks
[12:43] <abarbaccia> hey, what version of firefox is included with ubuntu 5.04?
[12:43] <MrNonchalant> I don't know why it isn't included by default, true there aren't any open ports by default but that doesn't mean the user won't quickly open some
[12:44] <MrNonchalant> abarbaccia: 1.0.2
[12:44] <DracosX> abarbaccia, 1.0.2
[12:44] <DracosX> doh
[12:44] <DracosX> lol
[12:44] <ubnuser> abarbaccia, 1.0.2
[12:44] <kyncani> gratuit: you may look into /etc/bind/db.root also
[12:44] <abarbaccia> MrNonchalant: thanks, DracosX ubnuser
[12:44] <ubnuser> i just need to know how to open sshd to outside ocnnections
[12:44] <akk> djm62: Still there?  I finally got ubuntu installed, but I'm having trouble figuring out what tool I need to get it to see the network card.
[12:45] <yoink> quit
[12:45] <yoink> exit
[12:45] <kyncani> akk: how do you know it does not see the network card ?
[12:45] <whiteknight> dcraven, looks good, found a spelling mistake (i think) on the last line... wike do you mean wiki?
[12:45] <akk> kyncani: ifconfig -a mentions the card but it doesn't have an IP address, so ifup probably hasn't run.
[12:45] <ubuntu> test
[12:45] <webtoe> ubnuser: you could see if this works for you http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/4/2001/10/2/7101
[12:46] <ubnuser> k, sec
[12:46] <Fazer> crimsun: hey
[12:46] <akk> kyncani: "Network Tools - Devices" says "Network Devices not found" and clicking on Configure doesn't seem to change anything.
[12:46] <kyncani> akk: either edit /etc/network/interfaces, or there is a graphical app in gnome menu "system"
[12:46] <lunitik> akk: wireless?
[12:46] <akk> lunitik: No, wired.
[12:47] <lunitik> akk: what card?
[12:47] <lunitik> akk: using DNS?
[12:47] <lunitik> DHCP *   (I'm tired)
[12:47] <akk> kyncani: It's a 3com cardbus card, should use 3c59x
[12:47] <webtoe> dcraven: looks good here also. I'll have a closer look after texted my girlfriend. She just interrupted me!
[12:47] <lunitik> akk: that module loaded?
[12:47] <akk> lunitik: I have a dhcp server available, though I'd rather set a static address.
[12:47] <whiteknight> dcraven, also its probably best you mention that they now need to go System->Administration->Networking
[12:47] <lunitik> akk: lsmod | grep 3c59x
[12:48] <whiteknight> dcraven, to set up their card...
[12:48] <kyncani> akk: if ifconfig -a shows the card, then it is recognized. Set it up  either edit /etc/network/interfaces, or there is a graphical app in gnome menu "system"
[12:48] <dcraven> webtoe, I'll fix the typo.
[12:48] <akk> kyncani: The module is loaded.
[12:48] <lunitik> akk: ahh, ok... /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces are correct?
[12:48] <lunitik> akk: can you ping localhost?
[12:48] <webtoe> dcraven: don't give me the credit, it was whiteknight who noticed i think!
[12:48] <dcraven> whiteknight, okay, I'll mention it but I don't know how to use it. I thought the WifiHowto that I linked to would look after the setup.
[12:49] <akk> lunitik: There is no /etc/resolv.conf, though oddly there's a directory called /etc/resolvconf
[12:49] <ubnuser> he doesnt seem to have a proper solution there..
[12:49] <whiteknight> dcraven, yeah okay, didn't follow the link i have to admit
[12:49] <akk> lunitik: "Network unreachable" pinging even localhost.
[12:49] <dcraven> err.. Sorry whiteknight. I'll fix the typo. Both your nicks start with w... heh
[12:49] <whiteknight> dcraven, glad you wrote one, was looking yesterday for the old howto
[12:49] <akk> lunitik: /etc/network/interfaces has no entries, not even for localhost.
[12:49] <lunitik> akk: ahh... I don't have a resolv.conf either... breezy? working prior to breezy?
[12:50] <whiteknight> dcraven, just seemed to have disappeared
[12:50] <dcraven> whiteknight, yeah it went 404 prior to the Hoary release.
[12:50] <ubnuser> any1 has any idea how to setup ssh to work with other computers (to connect ot it)
[12:51] <dcraven> I suppose I should mention in it that after a kernel upgrade it'll have to be recompiled.
[12:51] <whiteknight> dcraven, okay, well thanks again, you're gonna help a lot of people now
[12:51] <whiteknight> dcraven, nah i think thats a different matter
[12:51] <dcraven> whiteknight, no problem. I thought it was a good idea since it's a popular question.
[12:52] <akk> lunitik: I could just edit resolv.conf on my own and probably get it working.  But I was hoping that a normal user could get ubuntu up on one of these laptops without being an ubergeek.
[12:52] <whiteknight> dcraven, perhaps cause confusion, if they want to upgrade then they'll search out a howto on that
[12:52] <Fazer> mhmm
[12:52] <lunitik> akk: are you running breezy currently though?
[12:52] <dcraven> whiteknight, yeah maybe I'll wait until a new kernel comes out and people start complaining about losing their connection.
[12:52] <Fazer> I feel tired
[12:52] <webtoe> hmmm ubnuser you'll need to check you sshd_config file i think
[12:53] <t> I've the got the same problem described at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19671 how can I fix it now?
[12:53] <whiteknight> dcraven, but i reckon that most people won't upgrade untill breezy comes out in oct
[12:53] <ubnuser> webtoe: the question is which setting...
[12:53] <akk> lunitik: Sorry, I didn't understand that question.  Is breezy the next after hoary?  This is the hoary release CD.
[12:53] <webtoe> i'll have a look hang on a sec
[12:53] <dcraven> whiteknight, I'm on breezy right now... Lot's of people will catch wind that it's available and jump on it. You're right though I'll hold off for now.
[12:54] <whiteknight> dcraven, same, no problems yet :)
[12:54] <aimaz> ubnuser, do `ps -e | grep sshd` to make sure it is running
[12:54] <webtoe> ubnuser: in your /etc/sshd_config file, is there an AllowUsers line?
[12:54] <whiteknight> dcraven, to tell you the truth i reckon wireless cards are the biggest problem on this channel
[12:54] <webtoe> and is your username there?
[12:55] <dcraven> whiteknight, none here either except for the gcc 4.0 thing. I should maybe mention that too... I dunno.
[12:55] <ubnuser> aimaz: i can connect localy, so yes
[12:55] <Lemonzest> any idea when the cd's will be shipped?
[12:55] <aimaz> ubnuser, oh yeah sorry
[12:55] <webtoe> whiteknight: they're the biggest problem on all channels. On slackware its even worse as you have to step people through compiling it and explaining what compiling is
[12:55] <ubnuser> webtoe: no, altough i can login with a user localy
[12:56] <whiteknight> dcraven, haven't compiled anything yet, breezy is already quite something, mid way through an upgrade of 29 packages
[12:56] <whiteknight> dcraven, am learning python to put together a gui for ndiswrapper
[12:56] <imperfect-> damnit!
[12:56] <webtoe> ah yes of course you can. didn't read the next couple of lines ubnuser. hang on will be back with more suggestions
[12:56] <lunitik> akk: what was the last thing you said to me?
[12:57] <FC-tooki> which version of xfce runs on ubuntu??? (please send the direct link with the last version)
[12:57] <akk> lunitik: That I'm running the hoary release cd.  I don't know what breezy is -- is it next after hoary?
[12:57] <dcraven> whiteknight, yeah, of which one of those upgrades is a symlink from /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-4.0. Try compiling ndiswrapper with that and loading it into your stock kernel. Not gonna happen.
[12:57] <lunitik> akk: yeah... I though I had a /etc/resolv.conf prior to upgrade... guess not
[12:57] <whiteknight> dcraven, i luckly have a native driver for my card :) good old zd1201 that cost me 15
[12:57] <dcraven> whiteknight, nice. A GUI would be welcomed no doubt. I'm writing an IM and personal wiki in Python.
[12:58] <dcraven> whiteknight, you are one of the lucky few.
[12:58] <joshua__> Hey.  What program do I need to run an rpm?  No Ubuntu package for limewire.
[12:58] <karltk> anybody been afflicted by eternal disk reads when waking up after apm suspend?
[12:58] <joshua__> er deb package i should say. w/e
[12:58] <whiteknight> dcraven, getting it to work on ppc was perhaps a different matter
[12:58] <dcraven> whiteknight, no doubt.
[12:58] <lunitik> joshua__: actually there is.. but 'alien --to-deb some.rpm'
[12:58] <lunitik> joshua__: then 'dpkg -i some.rpm'
[12:59] <whiteknight> dcraven, python seems to be the language of choice...
[12:59] <dcraven> joshua__, is Limewire not java? Does it only come in RPM?
[12:59] <joshua__> lunitik:  Awesome.  Thanks.  You say there is a deb package for it tho?  What repo?
[12:59] <whiteknight> Shuddertrix, happens to the best of us!
[12:59] <dcraven> whiteknight, well I torn between Mono and Python at the moment... But I really do like Python.
[12:59] <joshua__> dcraven:  Not sure.  RPM is the only thing I saw on there site, and I apt-cach searched a few repos looking for a limewire package.
[12:59] <chibifs> But... But!
[01:00] <lunitik> joshua__: eh... I thought there was... used to be, but I guess thats gone
[01:00] <chibifs> Mono is .NET! D:
[01:00] <Shuddertrix> Odd, though, how alsa always sounds cruddy past 77% in alsamixer..
[01:00] <whiteknight> dcraven, hmmm i'm not to sure about mono, gonna stick to python and also ubuntu like it alot
[01:00] <joshua__> k, cool.  Anyway, thanks.
[01:00] <wazoo> dcraven: try this command:     alien -d filename.rpm   -- it converts rpm to debian.
[01:00] <dcraven> whiteknight, yeah Ubuntu likes it.
[01:00] <chibifs> And .NET is Microsoft!.. And Microsoft tells people that Linux is the problem ;_;
[01:01] <dcraven> joshua__, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[01:01] <webtoe> Shuddertrix: I think that happens because alsa allows you to push more actual power out your sound card. This causes interferance and noise to be more noticable
[01:01] <lunitik> chibifs: no... Mono and .NET are ECMA standards
[01:01] <chibifs> Bah. :P
[01:01] <] BreliC[> joshua__, Apollon is way better than limewire
[01:01] <tarzan_> hi
[01:01] <chibifs> Not enough research on my part then, sorry :D
[01:01] <] BreliC[> and i think it's in the ubuntu repo
[01:01] <dcraven> chibifs, I dunno 'bout that.
[01:01] <Shuddertrix> webtoe: Yeah, that sounds like it's the best explanation.
[01:01] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: most don't like mixing kde and gnome apps
[01:02] <ubnuser> anybody here using sshd, and knows how to enable connections from outside?
[01:02] <] BreliC[> lunitik, why sacrifice quality?
[01:02] <whiteknight> hey, anyone on breezy, have you noticed a change in focusing on windows, you have to click on the title bar to select a window?
[01:02] <stas> hi
[01:02] <stas> I have a problem
[01:02] <Shuddertrix> At least my speakers are of good quality, can really burst up the volume and bass on these little 2.1 speakers
[01:02] <webtoe> Shuddertrix: What I always do is leave the "Main" volume at >77% and then just use the PCM one. That can be put to max and down as muchas you want
[01:02] <tarzan_> dmix doesn't work with my hoary and an nforce2 chipset... i disabled esd but no i can't use two sound applications at the same time... any help please
[01:02] <stas> I cannot host any of my services!
[01:02] <dcraven> whiteknight, it's not like that here.
[01:02] <lunitik> chibifs: its cool, its even being advertised as a .NET implementation, but in reality, it is pretty different to .NET, especially considering Gtk# being part of Mono
[01:02] <stas> oh
[01:02] <dcraven> whiteknight, in GNOME anyway.
[01:02] <webtoe> whiteknight: isn't that an option in the window manager
[01:02] <stas> I am a moron!
[01:02] <stas> :)
[01:03] <Shuddertrix> webtoe: For my SBPCI128, setting master changes nothing..
[01:03] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: because it looks ugly?
[01:03] <whiteknight> dcraven, maybe i've played with something
[01:03] <Shuddertrix> PCM controls it all..
[01:03] <dcraven> stas, go easy on yourself ;P
[01:03] <] BreliC[> lunitik, bah, it's not that bad.  plus how pretty does it have to look to download?  ;)
[01:03] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: there is giftoxic for gnome folks
[01:03] <Shuddertrix> Been like that since I ever started using alsa. Pretty odd, but it's not a huge problem.
[01:03] <imperfect-> kay!
[01:03] <webtoe> whiteknight: under windowmaker there is an option for the focus to follow cursor and some other options like it. One was needing and explicit click on the window for focus
[01:03] <imperfect-> I give up!
[01:03] <imperfect-> What does daddy need to do to play mp3's?
[01:03] <] BreliC[> lunitik, any good?
[01:03] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: and giftui for that matter
[01:04] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: It works... Apollon and Giftoxic/Giftui all use the same backends  :/
[01:04] <] BreliC[> lunitik, does it connect to multiple networks as well?
[01:04] <] BreliC[> nice
[01:04] <webtoe> imperfect-: what are you trying to use to pplay mp3's?
[01:04] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: (giftd)
[01:04] <stas_> :)
[01:05] <imperfect-> webtoe: rhythmnbox
[01:05] <whiteknight> webtoe, yeah i found the gnome equivalent though its only for following the mouse, i use to be able to click anywhere in the window to select it
[01:05] <imperfect-> webtoe : but i guess i can install xmms
[01:05] <akk> What's this warning at login time that gnome won't work right if there's no network?
[01:05] <akk> Is hoary not suitable for laptops?
[01:05] <webtoe> imperfect-: you may need to install the gstreamer plugins
[01:06] <will> akk: yes
[01:06] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: like I said, it uses the same backends ... libgnutella etc are giftd plugins
[01:06] <dcraven> imperfect-, did you install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe?
[01:06] <imperfect-> dcraven: streamer is being held back it says
[01:06] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: Apollon is just a giftd client for KDE ...
[01:07] <tarzan_> it works when i start totem as root for example though...
[01:07] <lunitik> ] BreliC[: does nothing without a functional giftd server
[01:07] <akk> will: Yes, it's not intended for laptops?
[01:07] <imperfect-> I just did apt-get install gstreamer*
[01:07] <imperfect-> so
[01:07] <imperfect-> hopefully ;)
[01:08] <Xenguy> will: your answer was unclear actually
[01:08] <Xenguy> possibly
[01:08] <Xenguy> ;-)
[01:08] <will> akk: sorry! its suitable for laptops
[01:08] <dcraven> imperfect-, if it is held back it means you need to do a dist-upgrade.
[01:09] <akk> will: Don't laptops run pretty often without a network?  What does the warning mean, and can it be turned off?
[01:09] <FC-tooki> what is the extension of the installer of xfce4 on ubuntu???
[01:09] <imperfect-> dcraven: that's how I got to hoary to begin with.
[01:09] <will> of couse, some laptops even have a hard time with windowsxp, so dont expect everyting to work at once
[01:09] <akk> (Aside from the issue of whether a network actually can be configured at all on this style of laptop ...)
[01:09] <dantheman> i'm trying to extract a zip file, but it keeps telling me that i don't have permission, and i can't log in as root
[01:09] <imperfect-> Yeah, dist-upgrade does nothing
[01:09] <dantheman> i went into the terminal and did sudo -s -H
[01:09] <dcraven> imperfect-, well you may need to run it again.
[01:09] <dantheman> but it still won't let me extract my stuff there
[01:09] <imperfect-> dcraven: That's what I'm saying -- I just tried it again and it didn't do anything.
[01:10] <Xenguy> dantheman: sudo unzip <file>   ?
[01:10] <dcraven> imperfect-, okay.
[01:10] <dantheman> so i can't use the gui if i want to unzip to /usr/local/new directory?
[01:10] <will> akk: its just complaining about maybe not seeing a network interface card (NIC)
[01:11] <revelater> does anyone here use dadbiz?
[01:11] <dcraven> dantheman, I suppose you could if you ran file-roller as root. But I don't suggest unzipping it there anyway.
[01:11] <akk> will: I understand, but isn't that fairly common on laptops?
[01:11] <Xenguy> dantheman: no idea (but the CLI is yer friend :-)
[01:11] <dantheman> well, where do you usually install new programs?
[01:11] <revelater> ?
[01:11] <will> dantheman: this is dangerous but you can use it: sudo file-roller
[01:11] <dantheman> (i'm a big fat newbie)
[01:12] <imperfect-> CPU0: Temperature above threshold
[01:12] <imperfect-> CPU1: Temperature above threshold
[01:12] <imperfect-> CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode
[01:12] <imperfect-> CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode
[01:12] <imperfect-> I'm getting a lot of those enteries in my dmesg -- should I be concerned?
[01:12] <lunitik> dantheman: there really isn't a clear answer to that... the bins and libs and configuration files all go to different places, as defined in the .deb
[01:12] <dantheman> well, i just have a zip....it's for eclipse
[01:12] <dcraven> dantheman, if it's one that is not managed by apt, or autotools, I typically try to keep it in my $HOME directory personally.
[01:12] <revelater> imperfect- SHUT DOWN YOUR COMPUTER NOW!!!!
[01:12] <webtoe> is your CPU overclocked ? or a laptop?  its throttling back the speed of the cpu to avoid over heating
[01:12] <imperfect-> Nope
[01:13] <imperfect-> Just a p4 3.6ghz
[01:13] <will> akk: it sounds strange, but im afraid i have never ran linux on a laptop
[01:13] <dcraven> lol
[01:13] <imperfect-> Fan is spinning nice and fast too
[01:13] <webtoe> imperfect-: well either your fan is dieing so chip is heating up, the temp monitors on your board are reporting false times, or the temp that a warning is given at is too low
[01:13] <revelater> imperfect-: let it cool down after turning it off, then make sure that you haven't overclocked
[01:14] <revelater> or the proc is frying
[01:14] <dcraven> There are blinding flames and smoke coming from my computer. Is there a program for that?
[01:14] <revelater> imperfect-: whats your current room temp?
[01:14] <lunitik> hell, usually, having it run under stock speed is benificial for speed... and with tempreture issues, should try to underclock
[01:14] <imperfect-> revelater: I haven't overclocked.
[01:15] <imperfect-> and it's maybe 75 in here
[01:15] <whiteknight> dc
[01:15] <superted> is it possible to mount an ntfs partition with write access under ubuntu? (i know of the risks)
[01:15] <imperfect-> I mean
[01:15] <webtoe> dcraven: lol
[01:15] <imperfect-> Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
[01:15] <imperfect-> if it gets hot throttle back?
[01:15] <Xappe> if the cpu is overheating the comp should power off automatically?
[01:15] <whiteknight> dcraven, the program you need is ndiswrapper solves everything ;)
[01:15] <revelater> imperfect-: turn off your computer, take off the case cover and touche the heatsink, if you cannot keep your inger on it comfortably, its too hot
[01:15] <imperfect-> I mean isn't it doing what it's supposed to do?
[01:15] <webtoe> supertd: no,
[01:15] <dcraven> haha
[01:15] <imperfect-> revelater: p4
[01:16] <imperfect-> s run insanely hot
[01:16] <revelater> they shouldn't
[01:16] <imperfect-> Is there a prog to tell me what temps currently are?
[01:16] <imperfect-> sides the bios?
[01:16] <revelater> all program rely on the bis for info
[01:16] <revelater> bios
[01:16] <akk> imperfect-: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/something/temperature
[01:17] <akk> imperfect-: where "something" varies depending on your system
[01:17] <webtoe> lm_sensors is the prog you be needing
[01:17] <webtoe> uses the kernel to read the sensors on your board via whatever bus they use
[01:17] <akk> Try acpi first.  It's way easier than lm_sensors, if it works.
[01:18] <webtoe> for my comp they report strange temps and its a known problem with my chipset
[01:18] <webtoe> yes listen to akk. I think he's right as took me ages to get lm_sensors right under slackware
[01:18] <revelater> imperfect-: also, do you have a duel proc???
[01:18] <imperfect-> Thermal zone has nothing in it
[01:18] <dcraven> Man, mine's running at 49C.. That sounds hot.
[01:18] <imperfect-> revelater: nope, just HT
[01:18] <dcraven> mcphail, yay!
[01:18] <akk> Speaking of cpus running hot, anyone have any experience with semprons?
[01:19] <mcphail> dcraven, yay indeed!
[01:19] <imperfect-> I mean I'm not getting any weird performance issues
[01:19] <revelater> then your computer thinks it has two procs...
[01:19] <imperfect-> Just seeing those messages in dmesg
[01:19] <lunitik> dcraven: here, 40 C ... can't be that bad
[01:19] <whiteknight> dcraven, mine runs between 49 and 53
[01:19] <dcraven> lunitik, that's almost 10 degrees!
[01:19] <revelater> no, but amd also tends to run extremely hot
[01:20] <whiteknight> dcraven, well thats my athlon,
[01:20] <webtoe> i run at 49 - 60 depending on ambient temp
[01:20] <revelater> dcrave you mean 100
[01:20] <lunitik> revelater: this is an Athlon XP here... so far mine is the coolest stated tempreture  8)
[01:20] <webtoe> :P
[01:20] <akk> I have my sempron down to 59C right now with the side of the case off, but can't seem to get it much below that.
[01:20] <dcraven> whiteknight, oh.. Okay. This thing runs very hot to the touch (laptop) and I always wondered what the temp was. thanks for the tip akk.
[01:20] <dazed> whats up all
[01:20] <webtoe> mine's an XP...... just shameless overclocked....
[01:20] <revelater> lunitik, yah, but mine goes up to 150 f
[01:20] <dazed> whiteknight: i had a lockup today...but i think i know why cuz its been running strong from reboot
[01:20] <whiteknight> dcraven, mines a open boxed athlon desktop :)
[01:20] <dcraven> revelater, I meant 10 degrees difference.
[01:20] <declan> Greetings from Dublin. I've looked through a lot of posts here and there, about getting my dvd playback working, but I'm not getting anywhere.  The problem is that as soon as I put the dvd in the drive, the system mounts it as a CD-Rom.  I've tried doing symbolic links and all that, but to no avail.  Anybody want to try and help?
[01:21] <revelater> dcraven... ohh
[01:21] <imperfect-> Yeah I can't find lm_sensors in APT
[01:21] <toresbe> anyone here have Zepto laptops? I can't remember the brand of lappies they're based on...
[01:21] <declan> The error xine gives is "the source can't be read."
[01:21] <imperfect-> toesebe: sounds like a Yugo ;)
[01:21] <revelater> declan, you need libdvdcss
[01:21] <revelater> i think
[01:22] <declan> Have that.  Thanks
[01:22] <] BreliC[> is the FastTrack gift plugin not in the Ubuntu repos?
[01:22] <dcraven> declan, did you install libdvdcss2?
[01:22] <whiteknight> dcraven, while i'd hate to find out the temperature my ubuntu ibook reaches
[01:22] <webtoe> declan: have you tried other videoplayers as well?
[01:22] <declan> It used to work, then it stopped during one of the upgrades.  I have libdvdcss2, yes
[01:22] <dcraven> I should read before I type...
[01:22] <declan> I think I have all the relevant programs.
[01:22] <revelater> reinstall
[01:22] <webtoe> whiteknight: on your ubunutu ibook does it thrash the fans all the time?
[01:22] <revelater> xine and libdvdcss2
[01:23] <revelater> it MAY solve the problem
[01:23] <whiteknight> webtoe, nope, the fan only comes on when you start to put pressure on the processor
[01:23] <webtoe> I'm running the PPC live version (which is very very funky) and the fans are up and down like no bodies business
[01:23] <declan> Reinstall these?  apt-get remove and apt-get install?
[01:23] <declan> Might that help?
[01:23] <whiteknight> webtoe, hoary?
[01:23] <webtoe> could be coz i have a cd always running
[01:23] <revelater> use synaptic
[01:23] <webtoe> yep
[01:23] <whiteknight> webtoe, on warty that always used to happen
[01:24] <declan> I'll try that immediately.  Back in a moment.
[01:24] <whiteknight> webtoe, actually i'm on a later kernel, 2.6.11
[01:24] <whiteknight> webtoe, while you'll be on 2.6.10
[01:24] <Seq> does anybody know if there is a way to tell evolution to stop prompting me on my bad ssl certicicate?
[01:24] <webtoe> whiteknight: ah right. its not too big a deal for me since i'm using this live cd while the hard drive is dead awaiting to be fixed. is PPC linux good? worth a separate partition?
[01:25] <revelater> Seq, you could tell it whatever you want, its a matter of whether or not it will listen to you
[01:25] <dcraven> That's odd.. libdvdcss isn't in the breezy repo for some reason. Maybe it's not needed anymore.
[01:25] <revelater> :P
[01:25] <Xeon3D> webtoe, yup.
[01:25] <declan> I see a load of xine related progams.  Any one in particular?
[01:25] <webtoe> cool
[01:25] <whiteknight> webtoe, yeah, i now use it continuosly (well cause my wireless dongle won't work on OS X and i've got wxWaste working)
[01:25] <declan> totem-xine?
[01:25] <revelater> declan, no not really, just plain xine if you can, or totem - xine
[01:25] <Seq> revelater: well right now it prompts me every time whether i wish to accept the certificate
[01:25] <whiteknight> webtoe, but it is very usuable
[01:25] <webtoe> i'm still a bit partial for the mac os x though. But i still love gnome.
[01:26] <webtoe> the only problem for me is that the airport extreme card isn't supported afaik
[01:26] <revelater> Seq, you checked the prefernces for anything that relates to certificates i take it?
[01:26] <dazed> my desktop has never looked cooler ^^
[01:26] <whiteknight> webtoe, i have a cheap wireless usb card instead, don't have airport
[01:26] <revelater> dazed, tell me how you did it, i wish to make my desktop look cool
[01:27] <dazed> revelater: i use fluxbox
[01:27] <dj28> fluxbox more like suxbox
[01:27] <revelater> dazed, i have problems with fluxbox...
[01:27] <dazed> ill upload a couple screenshots if ud like to take a look
[01:27] <whiteknight> webtoe, i still have OS X to watch dvds and also cause the battery lasts a hell of a lot longer
[01:27] <dazed> dj28: you have obviously never used it
[01:27] <dazed> revelater: like what sort of probs?
[01:27] <dj28> yea, i have
[01:27] <Seq> revelater: yeah. short of making my own CA, signing the key and importing my CA to evolution, im not sure how to get rid of the prompt
[01:27] <revelater> dazed, yes, and tell me how to customize it also please
[01:27] <plod> screenies of fluxbox?
[01:28] <dazed> its one of the lightest smoothest wm's
[01:28] <toresbe> fluxbox is cool for slow machines
[01:28] <dantheman> does anyone have any experience running eclipse on ubuntu?
[01:28] <revelater> Seq, and the prompt doesn't have a check box to let it ignore or stop asking?
[01:28] <toresbe> and *seriously* configureable
[01:28] <dazed> revelater: well theres a lot of work...
[01:28] <Seq> revelater: no check box
[01:28] <dazed> toresbe: it would run even better on a fast machine so that makes no sense
[01:28] <declan> Removing totem-xine, synaptic wants to remove gnome too.  Seems dangerous!
[01:28] <declan> I have no plain xine, strangely
[01:28] <dazed> toresbe: it looks 10x cooler then most res hogging ones
[01:29] <revelater> declan: that is both strange and dangerouse
[01:29] <toresbe> dazed: nope, it doesn't. that's a matter of opinion, and few people share it with you
[01:29] <toresbe> dazed: I have flux on my slow machines, and gnome on my fast ones
[01:29] <declan> Indeed
[01:29] <tarzan_> where do options for the alsa modules belong in hoary? /etc/modprobe.de/alsa-base or /etc/modutils/alsa-base?
[01:29] <dantheman> does ubuntu come with java?
[01:29] <aimaz> no
[01:29] <Burgundavia> dantheman, nope, but www.ubuntuguide.org has the info
[01:29] <dazed> toresbe: why...gnome is too comercial...i dont like things that look the same on every machine one of the reasons im on linux
[01:30] <dantheman> thank you
[01:30] <declan> java is a fine class of coffee
[01:30] <revelater> dazed, just tell me how to access everything i need and where to get all those cool slit things
[01:30] <toresbe> dazed: then make your own theme or something. Not likeing something because it's "too mainstream" is bs.
[01:30] <dantheman> i love java
[01:30] <dazed> if you have it installed everything you need to edit is in ~/.fluxbox
[01:30] <revelater> declan, ahh, but i cannot forsake my love of expresso
[01:30] <declan> With dark chocolate
[01:30] <declan> Espresso with sicilian blood oranges.   Very good!
[01:30] <revelater> dazed which is in root?
[01:30] <dazed> toresbe: its not just that i like individuality and the customization of fluxbox u cant do with gnome
[01:31] <webtoe> right i'm off to bed. night night
[01:31] <declan> Good night.
[01:31] <dazed> ~ is /home/user
[01:31] <toresbe> dazed: you can. You just haven't looked.
[01:31] <declan> Alas, I am to be without dvds?
[01:31] <revelater> dazed is that where i put links to everything i need?
[01:31] <dazed> i have looked ... ha
[01:31] <revelater> declan, sorry
[01:31] <dazed> revelater: what links are u talking about
[01:31] <revelater> declan i am trying though
[01:32] <declan> Thanks.  It's a bit late for an espresso here.  Where are you?
[01:32] <revelater> dazed, i mean like, is the desktop for fluxbox in that folder?
[01:32] <dcraven> whiteknight, do you see libdvdcss in the breezy repo?
[01:32] <revelater> declan: USA pacific coast
[01:32] <dazed> revelater: thats where u edit your menu your themes your launching your apps your keys its where u edit everything that controls fluxbox
[01:33] <declan> So, you can still consume a few more before sundown
[01:33] <whiteknight> dcraven, can't look right now, am still apt-get dist-upgrading
[01:33] <whiteknight> dcraven, its nearly finished, then'll i;ll have a look
[01:33] <revelater> declan: and i will, trust me, and at un down i will play my pipes also
[01:33] <toresbe> dazed: then you haven't looked well enough.
[01:33] <dcraven> whiteknight, oh okay. I'm not seeing it... It's supposedly in multi/universe.
[01:34] <revelater> dazed: there are some programs to make editing easier right?
[01:34] <toresbe> dazed: and claiming that flux looks better than gnome is anyway nonsensical, you can use flux with gnome.
[01:34] <mdke> can anyone think of a reason that my wifi card would stop working, suddenly, without any modifications to the system, and not work again on reboot? If not, i'll start testing for hardware error
[01:34] <whiteknight> dcraven, looking now
[01:34] <toresbe> dazed: flux is a VM, gnome is a DE
[01:34] <revelater> i am an AW
[01:34] <declan> Good.  Kind people: what do you have in your "file browsing start location" setting in the media tab in xine?  I have /dev/cdrom.  Previously I had tried with /dev/dvd.
[01:35] <tbird> declan, should be something like /dev/hdc
[01:36] <revelater> declan: whatever it started with is what would be best, it no doubt has already detected your dvd player
[01:36] <abarbaccia> hey, are the ATI graphics cards supported nativly, or do i need to install ati drivers to get 3
[01:36] <abarbaccia> d acceleration
[01:36] <declan> Maybe there's a way to restore the default settings?
[01:36] <declan> Something I can delete?
[01:36] <whiteknight> dcraven, nope its not there
[01:36] <whiteknight> well i'm off, cya
[01:36] <dcraven> whiteknight, cheers, have a good one.
[01:37] <stas_> hi
[01:37] <Chicago60657> just installed ubuntu (hoary) last night...install routine never asked me for a root password...how do you logon / su as root?
[01:37] <stas_> can someone help me with a ubuntu problem?
[01:37] <Burgundavia> Chicago60657, ubuntu uses sudo
[01:37] <revelater> declan: try setting it to /cdrom
[01:37] <declan> I will!
[01:37] <Burgundavia> Chicago60657, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[01:37] <stas_> Chicago60657, just use your user pass.. it'll work
[01:38] <Chicago60657> ok
[01:38] <Chicago60657> thanks
[01:38] <Speedy2> Chicago60657: This is a commong question.  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:38] <revelater> declan, do you only have one cd/dvd drive or do you have two?
[01:38] <Speedy2> Guys, can we put that URL in the topic?
[01:38] <Speedy2> These questions keep coming up
[01:38] <neemz> woo installing hoary in vmware, lets see if its as good as people say
[01:38] <akk> Can ubuntu work with a 2.4 kernel, or does it need 2.6 because of udev and hal?
[01:38] <declan> I have just the one. Just as well, it's bad enough with just one.
[01:39] <Chicago60657> burgundavia, thanks for the links...it would be helpful if the installer clued users in on this during the installation process
[01:39] <Burgundavia> Chicago60657, hmm, good point
[01:39] <revelater> lol, its really not that hard, just when you are upgrading things can tend to go haywire
[01:39] <Chicago60657> but it's all good...i'll go read your links
[01:39] <declan> That didn't work though.   It is saying that there is no input plugin available to handle 'dvd:/'
[01:39] <toresbe> akk: why would you want to?
[01:39] <declan> But I do have libdvdcss2
[01:39] <revelater> declan: i suggest that, unless you are having bugs or problems, that you not upgrade...
[01:40] <declan> I am upgraded
[01:40] <mdke> decklin_, you using totem?
[01:40] <mdke> declan, ^^
[01:40] <akk> toresbe: Because 2.6 is unstable on my hardware, and I haven't found a fix yet (it goes into an infinite loop and doesn't respond to sysrq).
[01:40] <popeye> shoa
[01:40] <declan> totem and all the others.  Maybe I have too many of them installed and they are confusing each other.
[01:40] <revelater> declan... no thats unlikely
[01:41] <declan> mplayer, vlc etc.
[01:41] <dj28> guys, after about 5 minutes of using ubuntu, my wireless nic stopped working and i noticed the smell of burnt rubber bands. i had used this laptop with XP flawlessly for 5 months. ubuntu ruined it. who do i contact about getting compensation for this?
[01:41] <toresbe> akk: strange!
[01:41] <revelater> declan, i have all of those also and mine works
[01:41] <declan> That's good to hear.
[01:41] <tizen> Anyone here that can fix a package?
[01:41] <mdke> declan, mplayer doesn't work?
[01:41] <dj28> so who is going to fucking pay for my nic
[01:41] <popeye> dj28 ubuntu doesnt come with a warranty
[01:41] <popeye> sorry
[01:41] <revelater> declan, so you have reinstalled libdvdcss2?
[01:41] <dj28> that is fucking bullshit. their defective caca destroyed my nic
[01:41] <revelater> declan: and totem - xine?
[01:42] <toresbe> dj28: first of all, that's strange, and should absolutely not happen.
[01:42] <Shuddertrix> contact the notebook provider and lie to them.
[01:42] <Shuddertrix> or card provider.
[01:42] <declan> No, sorry I got distracted, I'll do that.  Totem -xine wanted to take out my gnome.  But I'll try libdvdcss2 now.
[01:42] <toresbe> dj28: second, that's most likely in hardware. Contact them regarding a warranty
[01:42] <mdke> dj28, unlikely. also they are right: there is no warranty
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> dj28: the short story is you can't
[01:42] <dj28> Shuddertrix, or i can sue the fuck out of ubuntu
[01:42] <revelater> declan ok try that
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> dj28: if you'd like to go over the legalities
[01:42] <neemz> looks like someone doesn't know the difference between software fault and hardware fault :)
[01:42] <tizen> dj28: Except you can't.
[01:42] <mdke> dj28, also, stop swearing please
[01:42] <stas_> hi
[01:42] <toresbe> dj28: nice try, but that's not possible
[01:42] <stas_> I'm new to ubuntu
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> "without any warranty either express or implied"
[01:43] <stas_> for some reason
[01:43] <DJ-AB> dj28, *sue* ubuntu.. are you f***ing kidding me :|
[01:43] <toresbe> dj28: the GLP disclaims all warranty to the maximum extent of the law
[01:43] <stas_> when I am listening to music with xmms
[01:43] <Shuddertrix> dj28 Doing that is like trying to bend physics for your own use - impossble.
[01:43] <tizen> dj28: If you could sue a company if it screwed up, Microsoft would be a penny stock.
[01:43] <neemz> Do not feed the trolls people
[01:43] <stas_> all the other sound effects stop playing
[01:43] <dj28> this is a fucking disaster. i use this to run my small business and now i don't know if i will be able to pay rent. realistically, is there some way i can get compensation?
[01:43] <toresbe> tizen: actually, MS does come with a limited warranty
[01:43] <dj28> is there anybody i can talk to?
[01:43] <stas_> can someone help me
[01:43] <toresbe> dj28: a network card costs 10 dollars at the most
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> dj28: realistically not at all
[01:43] <Speedy2> dj28: A USB Wireless adaptor is not that expensive.  Claim it not-working under warranty
[01:43] <dj28> hm
[01:43] <mdke> stas_, have you removed any packages?
[01:43] <stas_> in windows, I can hear msn sounds while listening to music, but in Ubuntu, I can't
[01:44] <stas_> mdke, it's been like this right from the start
[01:44] <toresbe> dj28: Didn't notice the "wireless" bit, sorry
[01:44] <declan> There's a fellow there who asked about su.  I can't answer very well, but I know that if you want a su you have to set it up.  The fellow was called Chicagoxxxx.
[01:44] <stas_> mdke, I've had Ubuntu for 2 days now
[01:44] <dj28> i thank you for the help
[01:44] <dj28> i will contact dell
[01:44] <stas_> mdke, and it's really bothering me now
[01:44] <mdke> stas_, hmm. i'm not great at audio, but there is a way: keep asking in here
[01:45] <mdke> another notch on the "ops for #ubuntu" argument
[01:45] <stas_> oh ok
[01:45] <stas_> does anyone here know about ubuntu audio?
[01:45] <stas_> i can't hear msn and xmms at the same time
[01:45] <stas_> :|
[01:46] <synd> ok, when i delete the logs on gaim.. is there ANY WAY POSSIBLE to get them back. im talking like FBI level shit. if so, how can I delete them to where they arent recoverable?
[01:46] <mdke> synd, burn the hard disk
[01:46] <Shuddertrix> Does webmin run good with Ubuntu?
[01:46] <tizen> stas_:  I have the same problem
[01:46] <stas_> :(
[01:46] <LinuxJones> stas_, open gstreamer-properties (make a not of what is selected for output sink) select alsa and press test
[01:46] <synd> mdke: buts its a 250GB hdd : (
[01:46] <mdke> synd, that is the only way to my knowledge
[01:47] <LinuxJones> stas_, make a note*
[01:47] <revelater> declan: so do you have just regular xine installed?
[01:47] <stas_> um
[01:47] <stas_> it's already alsa
[01:47] <mdke> LinuxJones, but does xmms use gstreamer?
[01:47] <thanatosys> hey hey hey
[01:47] <revelater> declan, if so, then try installing totem - gstreamer
[01:47] <synd> i wiped it, wrote 0's to all the sectors using OSX's disk utility
[01:47] <synd> that took like 4 hrs
[01:47] <stas_> and my xmms uses also
[01:47] <stas_> alsa!*
[01:47] <declan> revelater: I uninstalled libdvdcss2.  But now I have to go looking to reactivate the relevant repository.
[01:48] <LinuxJones> stas_, sorry I wasn't paying attention...as usual :D
[01:48] <tbird> whats up with Ubuntu and java ?
[01:48] <stas_> so the test button only works when xmms is off
[01:48] <synd> tbird: legal reasons
[01:48] <Shuddertrix> Anyone able to run webmin with Ubuntu?
[01:48] <stas_> tbird I figured that one after a while ;p
[01:48] <revelater> declan, it shouldn't be much harder than just installing it again
[01:48] <meff> anyone know of any icon packs in ubuntu for gnome? i tried gnome-extra-icons but they won't show up in the icon list
[01:48] <mdke> synd, i believe once data is written to a harddisk, it can always be got back in a darkroom
[01:48] <declan> I don't have the relevant repository activated.
[01:48] <tbird> yeah i know all that but why dont it work
[01:48] <declan> I've to recall what it is, and activate it.
[01:48] <synd> mdke: a darkroom? whatcha mean
[01:48] <stas_> tbird, here's what I did
[01:48] <mdke> synd, in a lab
[01:49] <neemz> lol I was just panicking thinking i'd got an old version of ubuntu as I was gnome 2.1 installing.. then realised it was 2.10 ;)
[01:49] <revelater> declan... why did you deactivate?
[01:49] <stas_> tbird, extract the java thing into /usr/java/jre(etc)
[01:49] <declan> I thought it could be safer to get updates from the official sources only.  Just a thought, one I now regret
[01:49] <tbird> yeah done that
[01:49] <tbird> in /usr/java
[01:49] <synd> mdke: im not sure if they would go that far.. hmm
[01:49] <mdke> declan, i do that
[01:49] <stas_> tbird, then, mv /usr/bin/java /usr/bin/java.bak
[01:49] <declan> It's not in multiverse, I've discovered
[01:50] <stas_> tbird, then, cd /usr/bin
[01:50] <thanatosys> hey does anyone have a working gdesklets setup
[01:50] <thanatosys> hey does anyone have a working gdesklets setup?
[01:50] <revelater> declan, taht could have been the problem there, synaptic needs all the sources of all the programs it has in order to build and upgrade dependancies
[01:50] <stas_> tbird, then, sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0(etc)/bin/java
[01:50] <mdke> declan, my opinion is that it is best only to use non official archives only when strictly necessary
[01:50] <stas_> and your java will work :))
[01:50] <declan> That was my thinking mdke
[01:50] <thanatosys> hey does anyone have a working gdesklets setup?
[01:50] <mdke> declan, try running "totem dvd://" in a terminal, and read the error message
[01:51] <declan> But they're not going to give you libdvdcss2.  I'll try that mdke.
[01:51] <mdke> thanatosys, wait awhile before repeating :)
[01:51] <mdke> declan, i just got libdvdcss2 and then commented out marillat
[01:51] <thanatosys> lol well i asked a while earlier and nobody answered
[01:51] <mdke> thanatosys, patience
[01:52] <tsume_> is breezy active yet?
[01:52] <mdke> declan, if totem tells you it has decoded the dvd, its not a libdvdcss2 problem
[01:52] <thanatosys> ive heard it killed gaim and gnome
[01:52] <thanatosys> or so it was said on the forujm
[01:52] <thanatosys> forum*
[01:53] <odyssey> thanatosys, breezy?
[01:53] <thanatosys> yea
[01:53] <mdke> heh you know, my wifi card has also stopped working
[01:53] <thanatosys> it had some issues with gaim and it spread into gnome
[01:53] <declan> Is it bad manners to paste in a pile of error messages here?  I suppose it is.  I don't know how to interpret what I'm reading.
[01:53] <thanatosys> its under the development section of the forum
[01:53] <mdke> declan, yeah use pastebin.ca
[01:53] <declan> How do I do that?
[01:53] <mdke> its a website
[01:54] <thanatosys> has anyone tried splashy yet?
[01:54] <thanatosys> its pretty sweet
[01:54] <LinuxJones> thanatosys, what is that ?
[01:54] <mdke> its usplash
[01:55] <LinuxJones> oh
[01:55] <thanatosys> but you dont compile a kernel
[01:55] <thanatosys> or anything like that
[01:55] <declan> I've gone to pastebin, and pasted.  Do I give it a name now, and post it?
[01:55] <mdke> userspace
[01:55] <thanatosys> just dpkg -i 3 things
[01:55] <thanatosys> works great
[01:55] <revelater> alright, has anyone used dadbiz?
[01:55] <mdke> decklin_, it should give you a url
[01:55] <mdke> declan, ^^
[01:55] <thanatosys> dadbiz?
[01:55] <declan> OK
[01:56] <revelater> bisiness management program
[01:56] <thanatosys> hmm cannot say as i have
[01:56] <revelater> business
[01:56] <thanatosys> let me look it up
[01:56] <declan> That's a great thing.  9575 is the code.
[01:56] <IRCCL2891639> hi guyz, i'm trying to get openoffice2 from ubuntu universe, but I got 404 error :/
[01:56] <revelater> well its in tgz form and that gui program doesn't do anything to help
[01:56] <stas_> is it possible to play sound from 2 sources at a time in linux?
[01:57] <dazed> stas_: yes using esd and stuff like that
[01:57] <spiderworm> so I've been running the 5.04 PR, and used to have tons of daily updates.  Since the 5.04 official release however, I haven't had a single update to do.  Do I need to change my mirrors list or something?
[01:57] <thanatosys> yea i noticed that
[01:57] <weazle> stas_: yeah man just uses multiple devices
[01:57] <thanatosys> and gdesklets doesnt f***in work
[01:57] <mdke> declan, looks like you have the wrong device
[01:57] <mdke> spiderworm, no that's fine
[01:57] <IRCCL2891639> hi guyz, i'm trying to get openoffice2 from ubuntu universe, but I got 404 error :/
[01:57] <spiderworm> mdke: ok great
[01:57] <declan> What do I do about this mdke?
[01:57] <revelater> hey guys how do i porperly unpack a tgz in commandline?
[01:58] <icecube_76> hi all  i used ubuntu 4.10 with my centrino notbook the battery used to last for 4 houre's but with 5.04 its only 2 houres any idea why?
[01:58] <mdke> declan, also it seems that libdvdcss2 isn't installed properly
[01:58] <thanatosys> tar -xzf filename.tgz
[01:58] <revelater> ahh
[01:58] <declan> That's now true, since I uninstalled it a few minutes ago, under advice.
[01:59] <declan> I'll try to reinstall it.
[01:59] <mdke> declan, yeah you need that
[01:59] <declan> Marillat, you say?
[01:59] <mdke> declan, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:59] <mdke> declan, you will learn loads very quickly
[01:59] <weazle> icecube_76: i think because linux runs all the processes at a lower level than windows would do
[02:00] <mdke> weazle, it was warty vs hoary
[02:00] <stas_> dazed how do I do it
[02:00] <icecube_76> weazle it's 2 houres less in time?
[02:00] <declan> I will.  I may have read that stuff before.  But I'm always learning new stuff.  Yesterday I read the dvd howto, and it meant very little to me, but it was interesting nonetheless.
[02:01] <mdke> declan, the other thing you need to do is find out what your cd drive is
[02:01] <thanatosys> try cat /etc/fstab for that
[02:01] <mdke> or dmesg
[02:01] <thanatosys> i like cats lol
[02:01] <revelater> allright, does anyone now of a business management program thats good, easy to use, handles billing and most importnatly is free?
[02:02] <dazed> stas_: in the options of programs that run sound tell em to run esd
[02:02] <thanatosys> well until that last part i was gonna say quicken
[02:02] <thanatosys> someone was talking about dadbiz or bizdad or somthing
[02:02] <revelater> that was me
[02:02] <thanatosys> o ok
[02:02] <thanatosys> lol
[02:02] <revelater> but i cannot get it to work
[02:02] <spiderworm> wow, just noticed that artsd is using 50% of my 64bit AMD processor, is that typical?  lol
[02:02] <spiderworm> this is crazy
[02:02] <declan> The cd drive is hdc, this I know.
[02:02] <thanatosys> hmm let me check
[02:03] <thanatosys> what was the program exactly
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> that's because arts, not to put to fine a point on it, sucks
[02:03] <dazed> aww jesus my roomate turned on theOC
[02:03] <revelater> dadbiz
[02:03] <dazed> i never thought id be watching htis
[02:03] <odyssey> dazed, sucks for you
[02:03] <mdke> declan, well totem was looking at /dev/hda1 for some reason there, but sort out libdvdcss2 and see if it works, then check the configuration
[02:03] <LinuxJones> revelater, >> http://www.linuxcanada.com/
[02:03] <thanatosys> yeap
[02:03] <icecube_76> any programm to convert rm file to wav?
[02:03] <thanatosys> i like to call it
[02:03] <thanatosys> pretty white kids with problems
[02:04] <stas_> dazed it's just silent...
[02:04] <dazed> odyssey: ur tellin me
[02:04] <dazed> stas_: what 2 programs you trying to run sound at teh same time?
[02:04] <weazle> icecube_76: well, like fuck that it's development is equal to the development in processing capacity, it's only because some of us were a bit slow in noticing the development in linux for the past 10 years or so
[02:04] <neemz> whats the root password?
[02:04] <sysrq> icecube_76: use mplayer's pcm audio output
[02:04] <mdke> neemz, the root account is deactivated by default
[02:04] <thanatosys> downloading dadbiz now
[02:04] <^thehatsrule^> neemz, password is your user account
[02:04] <odyssey> dazed, at least you probably know what the hell the O.C. stands for
[02:04] <mdke> neemz, you can use the command "sudo" to give your first installed user root powers :)
[02:05] <revelater> heh, finally i have a reason to like canada.. if it works
[02:05] <neemz> ok, thanks
[02:05] <dazed> odyssey: oh but i do sadly...who doesnt
[02:05] <neemz> I guess I just sudo and set a root password then?
[02:05] <^thehatsrule^> nooo
[02:05] <sysrq> neemz: why? use sudo -s for a root shell
[02:05] <mdke> neemz, most people are happy without a root account
[02:05] <stas_> dazed, gaim and xmms
[02:05] <spiderworm> HrdwrBoB: if arts sux so much, what would you recommend I use instead?
[02:05] <mdke> spiderworm, gnome?
[02:05] <stas_> dazed, do I need to tell esd to use alsa specifically?
[02:05] <spiderworm> mdke: i hate gnome
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> spiderworm: I use a soundblaster live
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> and no sound server
[02:05] <thanatosys> man that dadbiz site has one slow dlownload rate
[02:06] <thanatosys> im on a 3mbit connection
[02:06] <odyssey> dazed, took my flat about 6 months to work it out, it dawned on us when someone on the show said Orange County
[02:06] <dazed> stas_: no tell them to use esd...tehy both have it in the prefferences section
[02:06] <thanatosys> and im getting 7kbs
[02:06] <stas_> I know
[02:06] <stas_> but
[02:06] <stas_> when I choose esd
[02:06] <stas_> it's silent
[02:06] <dazed> odyssey: kinda happened same way for me
[02:06] <icecube_76> can i install pcm audio output through apt-get
[02:06] <thanatosys> try it lol
[02:06] <dazed> stas_: are both on esd?
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> esd uses OSS emulation through ASLA
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> ALSA
[02:07] <revelater> thanatosys, yeah i know, it was pretty pathetic
[02:07] <thanatosys> o dam
[02:07] <thanatosys> its slowed down
[02:07] <thanatosys> wtf
[02:07] <thanatosys> lol
[02:07] <thanatosys> hopefully their software is faster
[02:07] <revelater> thanatosys, lol, i couldn't even get it to run...
[02:07] <stas_> yeat
[02:07] <thanatosys> i had this pc dling at 480kbs earlier while i was using bt on my other pc
[02:07] <stas_> yeah
[02:07] <thanatosys> its sad
[02:08] <thanatosys> well im gonna try lol
[02:08] <stas_> neither of them works
[02:08] <stas_> with just esd
[02:08] <icecube_76> sysrq: can i install pcm audio output through apt-get
[02:08] <stas_> how can I configure esd
[02:08] <thanatosys> man umm is their server slower than mine
[02:08] <stas_> to output to hw:0,2
[02:08] <dazed> stas_: make sure they are both set on esd restart both programs
[02:08] <thanatosys> my 450mhz celeron pumps data out faster
[02:08] <stas_> dazed yes
[02:08] <stas_> JUST xmms is running
[02:08] <dazed> and no sound?
[02:08] <stas_> no sound if I choose esd
[02:08] <revelater> thanatosys, their server is probably a p2 133 with 32 mb ram lol
[02:08] <stas_> it HAS to be device 2 though
[02:09] <thanatosys> haha i used to have one of those
[02:09] <thanatosys> but i added 32 more mb of ram and gave it to a guy in a nursing home to learn windows 98 on
[02:09] <thanatosys> lol
[02:09] <sysrq> icecube_76: it's a feature of mplayer, if you have mplayer installed you can use it, mplayer -ao pcm blah.rm
[02:09] <Shuddertrix> my P60 had 64mb of ram :P
[02:09] <revelater> thanatosys, i have an original 25 mhz computer
[02:09] <dazed> stas_: i know check to see if u have libesd0 and libesd-alsa0
[02:09] <declan> Right mdke, revelater, and other kind interested parties,  I've reinstalled libdvdcss2 and tried again, and nothing is happening.  Will I do the pastbin routine again.  You are to be admired for your patience!
[02:09] <icecube_76> sysrq: thanks
[02:09] <revelater> thanatosys, that was EVIL... lol
[02:10] <thanatosys> well he needed to learn lol
[02:10] <thanatosys> it was free to him
[02:10] <Shuddertrix> hmm
[02:10] <thanatosys> i wish i had of kept the graphics card though
[02:10] <stas_> ok
[02:10] <stas_> I did it
[02:10] <toresbe> tell me who's that-ah-writin
[02:10] <thanatosys> it was a good 32mb gforce 2
[02:10] <stas_> they're installed now
[02:10] <revelater> declan, yup, well i am clear out of ideas... i am kind of new to linux so....
[02:10] <toresbe> john the revelater
[02:10] <toresbe> tell me who's that-ah-writin
[02:10] <toresbe> john the revelater
[02:10] <Shuddertrix> i should install hoary on my K6-2 box. that would be cool..
[02:10] <toresbe> :P
[02:10] <revelater> yes
[02:10] <stas_> now what
[02:11] <IRCCL2891639> ubuntu rocks <-
[02:11] <Shuddertrix> too bad the monitor i have for it sucks, it's some sony thing with weird rates..
[02:11] <toresbe> Shuddertrix: for the longest time my deskie was a Compaq K6-2
[02:11] <revelater> toresbe, that is what my name is based on
[02:11] <IRCCL2891639> hi guyz, i'm trying to get openoffice2 from ubuntu universe, but I got 404 error :/
[02:11] <declan> 9576 on the pastebin scene.
[02:11] <Shuddertrix> very old too.. nothing but a monitor with bad refresh rates for a CRT
[02:11] <toresbe> revelater: then why did you misspell it?
[02:12] <declan> Wrote the book of the seven seals!
[02:12] <stas_> oooh
[02:12] <dantheman> where can i get a plugin to play mp3s in rhythmbox?
[02:13] <stas_> ok dazed thank you for your help
[02:13] <stas_> i did
[02:13] <stas_> esd -d hw:0,2 &
[02:13] <stas_> and it loaded fine
[02:13] <thanatosys> hey dadbiz dude i cannot find the files to compile
[02:13] <revelater> toresbe: i did not mispell it, this is actaully the correct spelling
[02:13] <thanatosys> wtf?
[02:13] <stas_> and the sound mixes now!
[02:13] <stas_> BUT, will it do the same after a reboot?
[02:13] <revelater> thanatosys
[02:13] <revelater> ha
[02:13] <toresbe> dictionary.com says otherwise
[02:13] <revelater> thanatosys: i was thinking the same thing
[02:14] <thanatosys> i say we find those bastards
[02:14] <thanatosys> and make them pay
[02:14] <thanatosys> how dare they ship out such software with no readme
[02:14] <revelater> thanatosys: lol
[02:14] <revelater> thanatosys: well.... is is free
[02:14] <thanatosys> no its not
[02:14] <revelater> toresbe, they are wrong
[02:14] <thanatosys> it cost me time
[02:14] <thanatosys> time i can never get back
[02:14] <toresbe> revelater: ...suuure
[02:14] <revelater> thanatosys: lol
[02:15] <declan> Time is a revelator too!
[02:15] <odyssey> dantheman, gstream mad
[02:15] <revelater> toresbe, no seriously, someone has a revelation
[02:15] <thanatosys> umm does anyone else get some serious issues when trying to install mplayer in hoary
[02:15] <thanatosys> ?
[02:15] <declan> Is mdke still in the house?
[02:15] <toresbe> revelater: who?
[02:15] <revelater> toresbe, no seriously, someone is a revelater
[02:15] <toresbe> revelater: :P
[02:15] <declan> John, or Time, I'm telling you,
[02:15] <toresbe> revelater: point me to a dickshunary that says so
[02:15] <revelater> toresbe, not revelator
[02:16] <revelater> toresbe, it an incorrect suffix
[02:16] <toresbe> revelater: point me to a dickshunary that says so!
[02:16] <dazed> revelater: its spelled different
[02:16] <will> Can I enable XDMCP from the command line instead of from the menu?
[02:16] <Jet2k5> did the ubuntu servers just crash?
[02:17] <revelater> toresbe, yah, well ain't isn't supposedly a word and its in the dict
[02:17] <Speedy2> will: umm, "export DISPLAY=<ip>:0.0
[02:17] <Jet2k5> I'm not getting any hits from any mirror
[02:17] <InitMass> if i get temp statistics from ACPI is it from the battery then?
[02:17] <toresbe> revelater: ain't is a word, and your example sucks :P
[02:17] <thesymbolicfrog> Um, the ubuntu web site loads fine on mine and I just downloaded something from them last night.
[02:17] <thesymbolicfrog> the servers should be fine
[02:17] <dazed> aint- the slang form of isnot
[02:18] <declan> If there's no sign of mdke, I'll be heading off soon.
[02:18] <revelater> toresbe, what about the hundreds of lingo words that they add on, not technically words, but they put them their with the most comon spelling, whether or not its correct.
[02:18] <The_RedBurn_>  /msg nickserv link The_RedBurn KPQEA5ZA
[02:18] <declan> It's 1:18 in this country and bed beckons.
[02:18] <declan> If mdke comes back thank him for his assistance.
[02:19] <declan> And good night to you all.
[02:19] <dazed> no need to get upset over it] 
[02:19] <thanatosys> ok i seriously need some gdesklets help
[02:19] <revelater> toresbe, 3 years ago, when i first started using this nick, it wasn't in any dictionary, so i had first dibs anyways
[02:19] <toresbe> revelater: well, then they attempt to standardize it. and "revalator" is most certainly not slang
[02:19] <thanatosys> they just wont start
[02:20] <dazed> revalator has been in the dictionary probably since the english language
[02:20] <dazed> revelater on the other hand i dunno
[02:20] <revelater> no, revelations has, revelator or er has not
[02:21] <revelater> just pick up any older dictionary and you wont find it
[02:21] <Nigelenki> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RWXMappings
[02:21] <pune> hey can anyone help me configure my hp scanner?
[02:22] <odyssey> does xfce have a samba share browser or do i have to use nautilus?
[02:22] <dazed> whats a good place to upload images temporarily besides xull...(xull is down)
[02:22] <Nigelenki> I think xffm has one
[02:22] <darkaudit> pune: have you checked sane-project.org yet?
[02:22] <dantheman> how do i install gstreamer?
[02:23] <pune> darkaudit, for what?
[02:23] <pune> darkaudit, oh, yeah, i've done this before
[02:23] <odyssey> dantheman, you need to read the help documentation. use synaptic
[02:23] <pune> darkaudit, for some reason the file hplip.8.2 is missing a file or directory
[02:23] <pune> darkaudit, that's the error I get when I try to configure it
[02:23] <darkaudit> pune: ok... 'cause I know my scanner still won't work...
[02:24] <dantheman> i tried apt-get and it yelled at me...i'll try synaptic
[02:24] <odyssey> dantheman, are you using sudo?
[02:24] <dantheman> yup
[02:24] <dazed> whats a good place to upload images temporarily besides xull...(xull is down)
[02:25] <dantheman> i did $ sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[02:25] <The_RedBurn_> Hi, I've tried to rebuild metacity, but I get a 3.2 Mo file. What's wrong ?
[02:25] <odyssey> and it said?
[02:25] <dantheman> it told me the package is unavailable
[02:25] <pune> darkaudit, ok, for some reason, it's working now, all I did was move the installation files out of the folder it was in to the home directory and bang
[02:25] <pune> darkaudit, weird, thanks anyway
[02:26] <dcraven> The_RedBurn, rebuild?
[02:26] <robbie> hi all
[02:26] <robbie> is there a kernel source package anywhere for ubuntu ?
[02:26] <robbie> for the 2.6 kernel
[02:26] <robbie> i cant find it with apt-cache
[02:27] <dazed> revelater: im uploading those screen shots
[02:27] <Xappe> it's called linux source in ubuntu
[02:27] <revelater> dazed, cool
[02:27] <robbie> Xappe: ta
[02:27] <NotANick> http://www.signal-9.net/rtfm.mp3
[02:28] <dazed> revelater: http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs24&d=05155&f=gkrellShoot_04-14-05_112540.jpg
[02:30] <revelater> dazed: ooooo... aaaahhhhhhh...
[02:30] <revelater> dazed, but i still like that mushroom one....
[02:30] <dazed> revelater: yeah i have that one too but i dont  use it heres one too
[02:30] <dazed> revelater: http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs24&d=05155&f=gkrellShoot_04-14-05_011429.jpg
[02:31] <revelater> dazed: ohhh... now thats better :P
[02:32] <dazed> :)
[02:32] <The_RedBurn> I've tried to rebuild metacity, but I get a 3.2 Mo file instead of 400 Ko. Is it a make config problem ?
[02:33] <dcraven> The_RedBurn, I dunno what you are talking about. You are compiling metacity?
[02:34] <The_RedBurn> yes
[02:34] <dcraven> The_RedBurn, I think one comes on the Hoary CD precompiled.
[02:34] <The_RedBurn> yes, but the minimize animation is annoying
[02:34] <odyssey> NotANick, nice
[02:35] <dantheman> okay, i did gst-register-0.8
[02:35] <dantheman> and it looks like it installed a bunch of plugins
[02:35] <dantheman> but i still can't play any mp3s
[02:35] <odyssey> you need the mad gstremer plugin
[02:35] <InitMass> how do i get utf8 support in aterm. i've got it in xterm
[02:35] <odyssey> search for mad in synatpic
[02:35] <dcraven> The_RedBurn, no need to recompile to get rid of that.. Hold up.
[02:35] <The_RedBurn> dcraven, and of course it doesn't work with this big file
[02:36] <dantheman> all that shows up is libmad0 and libmad0-dev
[02:36] <dcraven> The_RedBurn, open gconf-editor and tick the box at /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources and the animation will stop immediately.
[02:36] <The_RedBurn> dcraven, yes, I've tried to use the reduced_... flag, but it remove some other things
[02:37] <dcraven> The_RedBurn, oh. I see.
[02:37] <_chavo> it also removes opaque window moving
[02:37] <dcraven> _chavo, yeah I was hopin' he wouldn't notice.
[02:37] <dockane_> uaaah slashdot.com takes plenty of time
[02:37] <odyssey> dantheman, you need to have the universe repo enabled
[02:37] <_chavo> When I was still using gnome, I hacked the animation out also.
[02:37] <The_RedBurn> dcraven, the windows become wire when moved or when the upper status bar is selected
[02:37] <dcraven> The_RedBurn, and you are saying that the resulting binary is too big?
[02:38] <odyssey> dantheman, setting --> repositories under synaptic
[02:38] <dcraven> I'm out.. Food just arrived.
[02:38] <The_RedBurn> dcraven, yes, it's 3.2 Mo insted of approximatively 400 Ko
[02:38] <dantheman> i thought it added the universe repository on the install?
[02:39] <odyssey> its there just not enabled
[02:39] <dantheman> how do i enable it?
[02:40] <dantheman> wait, i think i found it on google
[02:41] <kyncani> The_RedBurn: tried stripping it ?
[02:41] <dantheman> well, it says i should see two repositories with a "universe" label, but i don't see them
[02:41] <The_RedBurn> kyncani, stripping ?
[02:41] <kyncani> The_RedBurn: strip <yourexe>
[02:41] <The_RedBurn> dantheman, go to /etc/apt/source.list
[02:42] <The_RedBurn> dantheman, and remove the #
[02:42] <The_RedBurn> kyncani, not yet, I try
[02:43] <dantheman> alright...i'll see if that did it
[02:43] <The_RedBurn> kyncani, thank you, it has worked!
[02:44] <kyncani> The_RedBurn: what's its size now ?
[02:44] <The_RedBurn> kyncani, now, I just wonder if it was the problem
[02:44] <The_RedBurn> kyncani, 455.7 (the original is 458)
[02:45] <kyncani> ok then :)
[02:45] <dantheman> it tells me it can't stat source package list for either of hte universe repositories
[02:46] <The_RedBurn> dantheman, stat ? what does it mean ?
[02:46] <dantheman> i have no idea
[02:46] <The_RedBurn> dantheman, did you try to update the list (left button in synaptic) ?
[02:47] <dantheman> i closed synaptic, edited sources.list, and restarted synaptic
[02:48] <The_RedBurn> dantheman, now push the left "update" button in synaptic to search for new pacjages
[02:48] <dantheman> okay, i think that did
[02:48] <dantheman> it
[02:48] <The_RedBurn> dantheman, perfect, now you've access to 4x more packages :)
[02:48] <carambol> buttons name is:status
[02:49] <dantheman> yeah, i notice
[02:49] <dantheman> man...a whole section for Amateur Radio
[02:49] <dantheman> wow
[02:51] <The_RedBurn> it's stupid toi disable universe packages by default, but they say it's for the insurance of "quality"
[02:53] <ripgut> quick question guys
[02:53] <ripgut> how do i dislpay all my HDd's?
[02:53] <ripgut> hdd's*
[02:53] <kyncani> rigput: fdisk -l (as root)
[02:54] <aimaz> anyone know how to get kcontrol from kde working to set up a proxy, without installing all of kde, I am a gnome user but there is one kde for which there is no equiv in gnome and it needs a proxy setting to be really cool
[02:54] <aimaz> ..one kde app... that should be
[02:55] <ripgut> ok, thanks
[02:55] <ripgut> cause im trying to mount my second HDD 9which is NTFS)
[02:55] <kyncani> aimaz: one single kde app will pull in a whole bunch of kde apps
[02:55] <helio7> what's the bash command to find a certain file extension type in a directory tree?  (ie find mp3s among mostly m4a's...??
[02:55] <kyncani> aimaz: what kind of proxy ?
[02:55] <Nigelenki> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170403  These bugs obviously need attention before the gnome devs will find time to give a shit.
[02:56] <aimaz> kyncani, http proxy
[02:56] <Nigelenki> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171164 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171167
[02:56] <kyncani> helio7: find yourdir -type f -name '*.mp3'
[02:56] <helio7> kyncani: thank you!
[02:56] <kyncani> aimaz: like squid ?
[02:56] <Xeon3D> is anyone here using phpsysinfo ?
[02:56] <ripgut> antoher question
[02:57] <ripgut> do i wanna mount on bootup and allowusers to read only or mount manually?
[02:57] <ripgut> i just wanna listen to my music on this drive
[02:57] <aimaz> kyncani, no, there is a setting in kcontrol for which proxy programs should use when they want to connect to http services, unfortunatly when I run kcontrol there are no settings to be set
[02:58] <kyncani> aimaz: that's for kde programs, there is the same thing for gnome apps
[02:58] <dcraven> aimaz, kdenetwork possibly?
[02:58] <kyncani> aimaz: system -> preferences -> network proxy
[02:59] <aimaz> kyncani, yes, but it's a kde program I wish to have the setting for
[02:59] <kyncani> aimaz: well, if you already have one kde program, kcontrol should not pull to much dependencies, does it ?
[02:59] <neemz> Bandwidth: [Current Downstream: 766kb/s  Current Upstream: 14kb/s] 
[03:00] <neemz> ubuntu servers are quite fast
[03:00] <aimaz> no, it's already installed, but it's settings are no there, i think normally there is a tree of settings
[03:00] <kyncani> ripgut: why mounting read only ?
[03:01] <Guga> question, how can I obtain files from another linux hd that are on the desktop?
[03:01] <kyncani> aimaz: well, dcraven must be right, kdenetwork might do it
[03:02] <dcraven> Guga, the file will be in /home/username/Desktop.
[03:03] <tizen> Shouldn't the acroread-plugin thing be removed from the package system?
[03:04] <dcraven> tizen, why?
[03:04] <The_RedBurn> Guga, you have to mount the partitions : mount -t auto -o uid=1000 /dev/[the name of the disk and the number of the partition]  /mnt/[a folder] 
[03:05] <The_RedBurn> Guga, example: mount -t auto -o uid=1000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/partition1_from_disk_1
[03:05] <slak> eh?
[03:05] <Br34ch> That thing.. that "ends misbehaving applets" .. yeah.. it's misbehaving
[03:06] <Br34ch> I'm trying to look for it in the system monitor . . . what should be this process' name?
[03:06] <dcraven> Oh yeah, it's definitely slow in here tonite.
[03:06] <dantheman> what's the difference between a hard link and a symbolic link?
[03:06] <slak> SeamusLP: sup?
[03:06] <frank> Hi.  Anyone know what command to use to setup a service?  I have a script in /etc/init.d  but I need to make links in /etc/rc?.d
[03:06] <Despair> Is it widely known that breezy libc6-i686 is smashed, at least in 32bit chroot on amd64?
[03:07] <SeamusLP> slak: Heh whats up
[03:07] <dcraven> frank, update-rc.d?
[03:07] <felipe_> Frank it depends on the runlevel, you wanna run the service
[03:07] <kyncani> frank: update-rc.d, sysv-rc-conf, ...
[03:07] <frank> dantheman: a hard link is when a single physical file has several names in the filesystem
[03:08] <jr_G-man> anybody know how to tell dmraid (and then the partitions) to boot up automatically?
[03:08] <frank> felipe:  what is runlevel 6? X ?
[03:08] <jr_G-man> runlevel 6 is reboot
[03:08] <dantheman> basically, i want to create a shortcut to an executable...can i do that with a symlink?
[03:08] <frank> 5 is X?
[03:08] <jr_G-man> yes
[03:08] <frank> ok
[03:09] <dcraven> dantheman, yes. I'd suggest it.
[03:09] <jr_G-man> 3 is boot up normally with no x
[03:09] <jr_G-man> i don't know what 1, 2, and 4 are
[03:09] <frank> 2 is single user or something
[03:09] <jr_G-man> one of them is single user
[03:09] <frank> 4 is nothing as I recall
[03:10] <The_RedBurn> frank, type man init in a console
[03:10] <dantheman> is it .bashrc that i edit to add something to the path at startup?
[03:10] <kyncani> dantheman: .bashrc and .bash_profile i think
[03:11] <quadfour> got a question, can ubuntu (apt I suppose) handle multiarch packages yet?
[03:12] <aimaz> quadfour, debian can do that too
[03:12] <aimaz> for packages containing non-compiled things
[03:12] <quadfour> so binary multiarch support is still out?
[03:13] <aimaz> oh i see
[03:13] <aimaz> no idea
[03:15] <Despair> hmm, semi-false alarm. purge libc6-i686, try again on libc6 & locales install to get a clean install, then reinstall libc6-i686 and it all works again.
[03:16] <Bazzi> quadfour but I think I read mutliarch support will be improved in the future.
[03:17] <quadfour> Bazzi: google has just been showing me that now :(
[03:18] <Bazzi> :(
[03:18] <frank> I'm running AMD64. Somehow, I broke open office. It segfaults now and I have no idea why
[03:18] <dantheman> how can i add a directory to the path every time i start the computer?
[03:18] <quadfour> frank: OO does that over fonts
[03:18] <eggy> cd ..
[03:18] <kyncani> dantheman: ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile
[03:19] <frank> quadfour: how do I fix it?
[03:19] <dantheman> i have to do it in both?
[03:19] <quadfour> frank: have you added any fonts?
[03:19] <frank> yep
[03:19] <Br34ch> frank's a good guy
[03:19] <quadfour> frank: you have to remove them a bit at a time to find the one causing it
[03:19] <frank> not sure which ones though....
[03:20] <quadfour> frank: I normally move a few at a time doing a mv [a-c] * ...
[03:20] <aimaz> it turns out my problem with KControl was /var/tmp/kdecache-user was owned my user rather than root
[03:21] <quadfour> frank: you'll need to find out where added fonts are installed, it will be different for me (mdk)
[03:21] <frank> in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ ?
[03:21] <phxguy> can someone help with my usb wi-fi connection.
[03:21] <quadfour> something like that, with a directory aon the end
[03:22] <frank> ls
[03:22] <frank> LOL
[03:22] <quadfour> lol ;)
[03:23] <srid> gaim: symbol lookup error:  /usr/lib/libaspell.so.15: undefined symbol: _Znwj
[03:23] <srid> (when starting gaim)
[03:23] <srid> any idea?
[03:23] <Jet2k5> guys what do I need to view wmv vidoes w32codecs right?
[03:23] <Jet2k5> I have those reposetories from ubuntuguide.org and I can't get them
[03:24] <quadfour> srid: you have library dep problems, doublecheck its deps
[03:24] <revelater> is there a defrager for linux?
[03:24] <Jet2k5> linux doesn't need defraggin I think
[03:24] <srid> quadfour, I am using breezy, how to check that?
[03:24] <srid> quadfour, I used apt-get only
[03:25] <phxguy> ndiswrapper (ndis_init_one_usb:191): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device (C0010006)
[03:25] <phxguy> I keep getting this error when i use the linux-686 Kernel ->
[03:25] <quadfour> srid: no idea sorry! I can only tell you the problem, I odn't use apt
[03:25] <quadfour> I should probably get outa here :)
[03:25] <dantheman> alright, it seems i've destroyed my path
[03:25] <phxguy> netwg111: probe of 5-5:1.0 failed with error -22
[03:25] <dantheman> i was editing .bashrc and .bash_profile
[03:25] <srid> quadfour, i too know the prob. i think some package is missing .. but how to find which package it is?
[03:25] <dantheman> does anyone have a default of either of those that they can send me?
[03:25] <Despair> srid: `apt-cache search aspell` may help
[03:26] <tizen> dcraven: sorry it took so long to get back to you, but because the dependencies are impossible aren't they?
[03:26] <Despair> srid: actually, just `apt-get install libaspell15` should solve the problem
[03:26] <dantheman> anyone at all?
[03:26] <revelater> didn't think so
[03:26] <kyncani> dantheman: you want in .bash_profile smthing like:  export PATH="/whatever/bin/dir:$HOME/bin:$PATH"
[03:27] <srid> Despair, libaspell15 is already the newest version
[03:27] <revelater> i need qstring.h and qstringlist.h header files, anyone know what package they are in?
[03:27] <Despair> dantheman: look at /etc/skel/.bashrc & /etc/skel/.bash_profile
[03:27] <dantheman> gedit won't let me open the hidden file in the menu
[03:27] <dantheman> and i can't use it from the command line
[03:27] <kyncani> revelater: apt-file can tell you
[03:28] <revelater> what about in synaptic
[03:28] <srid> dantheman, use 'ctrl+L' in fileselector dialog
[03:28] <revelater> cause i searched synaptic...
[03:28] <kyncani> revelater: don't think synaptic can do it
[03:28] <revelater> ok, so how do i use apt-file?
[03:29] <srid> ok . gaim works now
[03:29] <srid> no .. itdoesn't work :(
[03:29] <dantheman> okay...in the /etc/skel directory...are those the default files?
[03:29] <kyncani> revelater: install it, update its db (apt-file update), and finally apt-file search qtring.h
[03:30] <caffinated> oooOo, my new job is going to let me use ubuntu at work :D
[03:30] <dantheman> can someone give me the absolute path to cp?
[03:30] <kyncani> /bin/cp
[03:30] <Despair> dantheman: /bin/cp
[03:30] <caffinated> that's the first time i've actually been asked what *I* want to use on my workstation heh
[03:30] <toresbe> caffinated: win
[03:30] <revelater> kyncani: how do i install apt-file?
[03:31] <caffinated> toresbe: no need.
[03:31] <kyncani> caffinated: its a package
[03:31] <toresbe> caffinated: I meant as in winnitude
[03:31] <kyncani> err, revelater, that was for you
[03:31] <toresbe> caffinated: winnosity, winnage
[03:31] <caffinated> why would i need those?
[03:32] <toresbe> caffinated: IT MEANS "YAY CONGRATS!"
[03:32] <revelater> kyncani: ok, getting it now
[03:32] <caffinated> so, your capslock is stuck also? ;)
[03:33] <caffinated> yeah, i gathered that.  I was just being an ass heh
[03:33] <toresbe> caffinated: you were. :P
[03:33] <dantheman> okay, i do echo $PATH, and /bin is there, but i can't actually do simple things like ls and cp...it tells me that the command isn't found
[03:33] <caffinated> I'm just one happy, happy guy right now.
[03:33] <dantheman> and when i do source ~/.bashrc, it gives me dircolors: No such file or directory, and the same thing for lesspipe
[03:33] <GWoSDotOrgGuy> hmmm
[03:34] <caffinated> new job, paid move, high pay and best of all, it's not in this shithole town :D
[03:34] <GWoSDotOrgGuy> just read Ian Murdocks blog
[03:34] <GWoSDotOrgGuy> oh well
[03:35] <caffinated> toresbe: i mean, when you ask people around here if they carry cat-5, they tell you they don't sell pets.
[03:35] <toresbe> caffinated: ew. :P
[03:36] <toresbe> In about 40 mins I'm on the way to a debian-edu devel meeting in greece :)
[03:37] <dantheman> my path includes /bin...why can't i do cp, or open gedit from the shell?
[03:38] <caffinated> nice
[03:38] <caffinated> i bet the weather is baking things there
[03:38] <caffinated> I have a friend who goes twice a year, aparently it's so hot it takes some time to climbatize
[03:39] <kyncani> caffinated: what kind of job is it ?
[03:40] <caffinated> developing web services for bravenet
[03:40] <kyncani> big company ?
[03:40] <caffinated> yeah, pretty big
[03:40] <caffinated> they have 1.5 million members or so
[03:42] <caffinated> should be fun though.  anything has to be better than freelancing ;)
[03:42] <kyncani> :)
[03:42] <revelater> good game though
[03:42] <NotANick> anybody here watch sifl and olly?
[03:42] <kyncani> revelater: apt-file worked ?
[03:42] <revelater> not yet
[03:43] <revelater> still downloading sources
[03:43] <kyncani> caffinated: how much is it for a high paid job there ?
[03:43] <caffinated> high paying?  somewhere around $80-100k/year
[03:44] <caffinated> i won't be getting quite that much though, since I'm just getting on
[03:44] <kyncani> nice
[03:44] <caffinated> i'll probably start at about $40k
[03:44] <caffinated> and then work my way up from there
[03:44] <kyncani> in the states ?
[03:44] <caffinated> no, it's in canada
[03:44] <pepperpot> lolz canadian money
[03:45] <kyncani> ok then :) much better life i think
[03:45] <caffinated> pepperpot: i have a hard time taking anyone who thinks 'z' is a replacement for 's' seriously ;)
[03:46] <cfh_dev> I get a 404 error when installing OO.o2 from us.archive.ubuntu.com.  Is there another source I can use?
[03:46] <pepperpot> caffinated, sorriez
[03:46] <kyncani> archive.ubuntu.com
[03:46] <caffinated> pepperpot: *shrug*
[03:46] <cfh_dev> kyncani: thanks
[03:47] <caffinated> anyhow, i hope my ubuntu cds get here before i move heh.
[03:47] <downpour> hmm how do i go about getting new packages into repos? for instance the newer version of fluxbox
[03:47] <pepperpot> i apologize, i think i had a transient 1337 attack
[03:47] <caffinated> i have a bunch of people i need to give them to
[03:47] <akk> What's calling the password dialog box on resuming from suspend?  Anyone know how to disable it?
[03:47] <caffinated> kyncani: that's not so bad
[03:48] <kyncani> caffinated: nope, well paid and much vacancies :)
[03:48] <cfh_dev> archive.ubuntu.com give 404 errors on OO.o2, too
[03:49] <cfh_dev> Any other sources?
[03:49] <kyncani> cfh_dev: fr.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:49] <downpour> can users submit packages to get added to repos?
[03:50] <downpour> after they are tested of course
[03:50] <Guga> can I recover files from a 2nd hd's desktop?  the GUI won't load
[03:50] <kyncani> Guga: well, just mount the disk and copy the files over ?
[03:51] <Guga> I tried, but my ding ding is too big for the cdrom
[03:51] <cfh_dev> kyncani: same 404 error.  Has OO.o2 been removed from the ubuntu sources?
[03:52] <kyncani> cfh_dev: well, i don't know, you may try again tomorrow ..
[03:53] <dazed> i just rolled the nicest blunt ever seen
[03:53] <doubleplus> Is there any way I can make synaptic use a mounted Ubuntu install cd image, rather than my normal CD drive?
[03:53] <doubleplus> Or, for that matter, make a mounted cd image behave as a normal CD all the time
[03:54] <cfh_dev> dazed: mmmm, blunts
[03:55] <kyncani> doubleplus: add a file repository in /etc/apt/sources.list  google for "deb file" sources.list
[03:55] <kyncani> doubleplus: that would look like: deb file:/home/debmirror/ftp.fr.debian.org/http/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> i just got done installing Hoary on an old system... 800mhz celeron... wow... nice.
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> kudos
[03:57] <Marble2> can someone tell me how to enable incremental file creation?
[03:57] <kyncani> what's this incremental file creation thingie ?
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> now for the 333mhz box
[03:58] <dazed> hows everyone doin tonight
[03:58] <Fazer> hi dazed
[03:58] <Fazer> eating a triffle cake
[03:59] <Fazer> you?
[03:59] <Seq> does anybody know why cd ripping with sound juicer is going so horribly slow?
[03:59] <doubleplus> kyncani, like: deb file:/mnt/iso/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[03:59] <kyncani> yeah
[04:00] <doubleplus> kyncani, awesome, thanks a lot!
[04:00] <kyncani> :)
[04:00] <GnuKemist> can someone help me setting up my wireless on my IBM X40?
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist: i am guessing it has a broadcom chipset?
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> requiring the ndiswrapper
[04:02] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, I think so... lemme see the name...  intel 2200 something
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> ah
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> that is different
[04:02] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, how so?
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> sourceforge project on it
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> i2200.sf.net i think
[04:03] <akk> What's the command to configure gdm?  Nothing in the System->Administration menu actually brings up any windows.
[04:03] <GnuKemist> lemme check
[04:03] <Marble2> Is there a standalone program in linux to create .torrent files?
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> Marble2: like Azureus
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> it does it
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> as well as downloads them
[04:04] <Marble2> nomasteryoda: mine always crashes
[04:04] <Marble2> which is why I said standalone
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> Marble2: it's a java error
[04:04] <Marble2> oh
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> that is my issue with azureus
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> it uses java
[04:05] <Marble2> yea
[04:05] <Marble2> i have the latest jre
[04:05] <Ryman> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> yea, also loook for a .lock file in the ~/.Azureus folder
[04:06] <Fazer> hahaha
[04:06] <Fazer> this is funny
[04:06] <Fazer> when you put ubuntu live cd to slepe
[04:07] <Fazer> and try to turn it back on
[04:07] <Fazer> and you don't know the passwordd
[04:07] <Fazer> i like how it flashes "DENIED" in big red letters
[04:07] <kyncani> ha ha
[04:08] <Fazer> its like hollywood's representation of computer authentication
[04:08] <dazed> lol Fazer
[04:09] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, doing a dmesg |grep eth1 gave me this: eth1: no IPv6 routers present
[04:10] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, apparently the mod for iw2200 is already loaded
[04:10] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, I know my router doesn't support ipv6...
[04:10] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, what gives?
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[04:11] <GnuKemist> k
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist: ignore that
[04:11] <smouche> lol, Fazer - my favorite hollywood silliness is how every message appearing on screen scrolls on one character at a time, with sound effects...
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> i get that issue too
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist: you have web or wpa turned on in the router?
[04:11] <housetier> yah the sound effects are terrible
[04:11] <LLM> ya, thats so corny
[04:12] <Fazer> smouche: hahaha, yeah!
[04:12] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, wep
[04:12] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, with mac filter
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> i have the same setup
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> different cards, but same setup then
[04:12] <MrNonchalant> hey folks, probably a hardware problem but I figured I'd run it past you people anyway. I've got an old computer 133Mhz Pentium, not much RAM, no hard drive, 1 CD drive. it seems to recognize the CD drive, but doesn't boot into Ubuntu live. it asks me to please insert bootable media and sometimes beeps without emitting any further errors. it is set to boot to CD in the bios. any ideas?
[04:12] <GnuKemist> I got 5 cards listed  ;)
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist: with ifconfig -a, you might get some fun stuff  like sit0, eth0, eth1
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> and if you have vmware, then even more
[04:13] <kyncani> MrNonchalant: can it read the cd (from an existing os already installed) ?
[04:14] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, yeah... what is sit0 anyhow?
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> google
[04:14] <GnuKemist> k
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> so back to the real issue
[04:14] <GnuKemist> right
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> do you se the card in ubuntu's network app
[04:15] <GnuKemist> yup
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> ah, ok
[04:15] <xemisions> how do you install ati drivers
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> did it get an ip address from the router?
[04:15] <GnuKemist> nothing...  am plugged via ethernet now
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:15] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, but no IP for wireless
[04:15] <xemisions> how do you install ati drivers
[04:16] <skreet> If I do a dist-upgrade to hoary shouldent that install xorg?
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist: what about iwconfig -a
[04:16] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, shows a whole bunch of devices
[04:16] <Fazer> GnuKemist: Sorry to interrupt, did you type lspci and see your card listed some place?
[04:16] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, no ip though
[04:16] <GnuKemist> Fazer, yup
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:16] <GnuKemist> Fazer, did that
[04:17] <Fazer> Hmm, when you type 'sudo network-admin', do you see wifi some place?
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> i'm installing ubuntu hoary from the downloaded iso on a 333mhz system right now
[04:17] <Fazer> *wifi = your wlan card
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> wifi0 it should be
[04:17] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: Shouldn't it be wlan0 ?
[04:17] <GnuKemist> Fazer, yup... it's there...  it is very weird that it won't get the ip from dhcp
[04:17] <skreet> If I do a dist-upgrade to hoary shouldent that install xorg?\
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> on ubuntu it is wifi0
[04:18] <GnuKemist> Fazer, not using ndiswrapper
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> at least in my experience
[04:18] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: really? just today I was going through the sae thing as GnuKemist
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist: is the module loaded
[04:18] <smouche> does anyone happen to know the commands to start ml-donkey server (the server and the client) ?
[04:18] <crimsun> Fazer: hi?
[04:18] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, yup
[04:18] <MrNonchalant> kyncani: no hard drive, no OS on that computer. the CD worked fine on another computer
[04:18] <akk> I had a similar problem: my network card's driver loads fine but there's no entry in /etc/network/interfaces so it doesn't show up in the guis.
[04:18] <MrNonchalant> that, is the one I'm currently typing on
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist: did you try disabling the eth0/1 and then rebooting
[04:18] <Fazer> crimsun: Awesome, dude.  Sorry to bother you again, I think I mis-wrote those boot parameters that you gave me.  I can't recreate the same effects now...think I am mkstyping it.
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> knowing wifi is down
[04:19] <Fazer> GnuKemist: Type this:
[04:19] <Fazer> er..
[04:19] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, will have to do it
[04:19] <crimsun> Fazer: noapic nolapic pci=noacpi
[04:19] <frank> crimsun: maybe you can help:   Open Office 1.1.3 used to run but now it segfaults. I don't know how I broke it
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> and trying to turn it back on with the gui
[04:19] <skreet> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP
[04:19] <kyncani> MrNonchalant: well, cds always tend to work on one computer but cannot be cannot be read on another ...
[04:19] <Fazer> crimsun: Thanks, let me reconfirm wth my PDA.
[04:19] <skreet> Which Xorg/xF driver is that?
[04:19] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, lemme try that then
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist: make sure the key matches
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> good luck
[04:20] <crimsun> frank: sorry, not an OO.o person. Have you checked bugzilla?
[04:20] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, I did check it 4 times... hehe  those pesky characters
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:20] <frank> crimsun: yeah and I did'nt find anything
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> frank: did you update java?
[04:21] <frank> I installed java manually
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:21] <skreet> If I do a dist-upgrade to hoary shouldent that install xorg?
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> i have had that break it before
[04:21] <Tinamoo> Just installed ubuntu 5.04. the problem is that after entering username and password in gdm, it stops working. i can see the background and mouse cursor but it just wont go further. Please help...
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> skreet: yes
[04:21] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, just fyi the modules I have are:  ipv6, ipw2200, firmeware_class, and ieee80211
[04:21] <MrNonchalant> kyncani: pity then. even if I'm using the same CD drive?
[04:21] <Fazer> GnuKemist: what do you see when you type `sudo ndiswrapper -l`
[04:21] <jr_G-man> okay...i have dmraid all working on my machine...and I can manually mount the raid partition...
[04:21] <skreet> nomasteryoda, then why dont i have an xorg.conf, i have XFree86.conf
[04:21] <GnuKemist> Fazer, am not using ndiswrapper
[04:21] <kyncani> MrNonchalant: nope, don't think so
[04:21] <jr_G-man> can anybody tell me how to have this done automatically during bootup?
[04:22] <Fazer> GnuKemist: ooh =(
[04:22] <skreet> nomasteryoda, How can I verify i'm running xorg?
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> skreet: let me look
[04:22] <skreet> nomasteryoda, Thanks, Appreciate it.
[04:22] <GnuKemist> Fazer, it is supposed to be linux compatible
[04:22] <Fazer> GnuKemist: Oh, I am having trouble of my own =[
[04:23] <GnuKemist> Fazer, am gonna disable everything and reboot...  will talk to you all in a few
[04:23] <skreet> re..boot?
[04:23] <kyncani> reboot ?
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> skreet: you didn't?
[04:23] <skreet> nomasteryoda, Should I have to reboot to apply a dist-upgrade?
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> er, yea
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> lots of stuff changed
[04:23] <Fazer> crimsun: what time zone are you at?
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> kernel, etc
[04:24] <crimsun> Fazer: EDT -0400 GMT
[04:24] <skreet> nomasteryoda, But shouldent I at least have an xorg.conf?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[04:24] <smouche> skreet -- I really don't see why --
[04:24] <Fazer> crimsun: eh... Europe?
[04:24] <crimsun> Fazer: east coast USA.
[04:24] <Fazer> crimsun: Ooh, same here.  But..Canada =/
[04:24] <skreet> Fazer, So you're in the east coast USA, but canada?
[04:25] <Fazer> street: Hmm... I should say EST =/
[04:25] <Reblended> I thought the GPL license was bulletproof??? http://www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=32876
[04:25] <skreet> :D
[04:25] <Fazer> Wait, I am not really EAST, just...near New York.
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> skreet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[04:25] <dazed> Reblended: hey hows it going?
[04:25] <Fazer> I thin I am like 2 hrs away from Niagra
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> Post-Upgrade part
[04:25] <Reblended> sup dazed
[04:26] <Reblended> what the... I type daz and tab and it puts junk on the screen!
[04:26] <Reblended> sry for flooding...
[04:26] <soopurman> how do i flush my system arp cache ?
[04:26] <Reblended> how'd that happe, Dazed???
[04:26] <Reblended> I hit tab to complete your name and it pastes a whole bunch of names and hits return!
[04:27] <Reblended> dazed, Ok. it's fixed. =p how's it going? I'm good
[04:27] <dazed> Reblended: bored...good that u got it fixed :)
[04:28] <Reblended> X-Chat spazzed on me... or I pressed something I didn't know I did, dazed
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:28] <] BreliC[> is there a good package of fonts for ubuntu?
[04:28] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, yah, even braille!
[04:28] <dazed> Reblended: go with irssi much cooler than xchat ^-
[04:28] <dazed> lol
[04:28] <Reblended> irissi? ok.. dazed
[04:28] <Reblended> I'm not joking ] BreliC[
[04:28] <Reblended> LOL dazed I saw them on the LIVE cd
[04:28] <Reblended> very nice fonts
[04:29] <Reblended> and I think you can even use ttf, and type 1 too
[04:29] <] BreliC[> heh, braille?
[04:29] <dazed> Reblended: did u do a full install or u still on live cd?
[04:29] <Reblended> you know... for people that are really short sighted? ] BreliC[
[04:29] <NigelS> Reblended: the GPL doesn't prevent you charging for the product at all.  What these companies are doing is selling "support" which a lot of companies simply won't buy something without.  Corporations are dumb though :P
[04:29] <frank> anyone?   Open Office 1.1.3 used to run but now it segfaults. I don't know how I broke it. I don't thinkthe problem is fonts
[04:30] <Reblended> NigelS, weird that the article says that they've circumvented GPL.. thx for the clarification
[04:30] <] BreliC[> Reblended, hmm, i'll keep looking.  i had some really nice ones in suse
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> frank, try making another user account and running it as that user
[04:30] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, Cannot you just copy all the fonts over?
[04:30] <frank> nomasteryoda, ok
[04:30] <abarbaccia> hey all - does ubuntu have the ati drivers preinstalled for 3d acceleration, or is that something you have to add in seperate?
[04:30] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, why'd you switch, mind me asking
[04:30] <] BreliC[> Reblended, guess i could :)
[04:31] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, they must be hosted somewhere on the net..
[04:31] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, if you have the *.ttf files, just put them in ~/.fonts and GNOME will use them.
[04:31] <] BreliC[> Reblended, well, they'e getting more and more annoying in their multimedia support by crippling it in default installations, which requires me to recompile stuff all the time
[04:31] <Reblended> dazed, well, my sis's computer is what I was running LIVE cd on and everything seems to work! amazingly.. but I wanna be the first one with nix in the family =p
[04:31] <] BreliC[> dcraven, thanks, i'll try that
[04:32] <Reblended> dcraven, is it true when you copy the .ttf's you have to sudo?
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> abarbaccia: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496
[04:32] <dazed> Reblended: hehe ...my family would never understand linux if it wasnt for aol i dont think they would understand the internet
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> like aol is the internet man
[04:32] <Reblended> dazed, what's the internet? Oh, you mean AOL?
[04:32] <dcraven> Reblended, not if you put them in ~/.fonts... That's your home dir.
[04:32] <Reblended> ROFL nomasteryoda
[04:32] <dcraven> biab
[04:33] <Reblended> dcraven, hmm. I heard that font's wont install unless you are superuser...
[04:33] <Reblended> what do I know?
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> dude, you're getting a dell with aohel
[04:33] <Reblended> ROFL
[04:33] <Reblended> I'm so happy my sis got an HP... this machine is so sweet with Ubuntu
[04:33] <Reblended> Blender 3D launched in .001 seconds... 8 seconds with XP
[04:33] <Dreamer3> i love how hoary hasn't had any updates yet :)\
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> like i clicked on that thingy and it installed a trojan or something, now my windows are broken...
[04:34] <Reblended> hahah
[04:34] <dazed> Reblended: ewww HP...(im saying this with an HP laptop sittin 2 inches from my keyboard)
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> i love hearing those stories
[04:34] <Reblended> I was just reading email and then pow
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> it's why i'm installing ubuntu on every box i have here
[04:34] <frank> nomasteryoda, Open Office still segfaults with another user
[04:34] <Reblended> #openoffice.org
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> and giving them away to poor windows users
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> frank, just sec
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2005/03/msg00165.html
[04:35] <Reblended> how'd you get your name, nomasteryoda?
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> er, i just decided to pick it out of the blue
[04:36] <Reblended> cute
[04:36] <Bukkake> yeah, cute . . .
[04:36] <Reblended> (why does my sony vaio laptop (PCG-FX190 not boot past vmlinuz....
[04:36] <abarbaccia> how do you remove a package installed with apt-get?
[04:36] <Reblended> this is live cd btw
[04:36] <Bukkake> apt-get uninstall I think?
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> it's kinda like No, Master Yoda! I can't lift that Xwing from the swamp....
[04:36] <Reblended> LOL
[04:36] <dazed> lol nomasteryoda
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> thanky
[04:36] <Reblended> is the opposite of -i... -u?
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> i also have alterego adoyretsamon
[04:37] <abarbaccia> Bukkake, that didn't work
[04:37] <dazed> nomasteryoda: funny thing is i have never seen more than 30 minutes of any starwars movie and i know what ur talking about
[04:37] <Reblended> nomastersudo
[04:37] <] BreliC[> dcraven, what's the ~/font-cache?  Should I stick them in there?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> frank, check on the fonts
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> just in case
[04:37] <] BreliC[> actually, forget it.. it's a file
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> use the OOo admin tool
[04:37] <frank> nomasteryoda, I already checked the fonts. as far as I can tell. maybe if I downgrade as suggested
[04:37] <Reblended> < needs to read up on what a segfault is
[04:38] <Reblended> apt-get -i suse-fonts
[04:38] <Reblended> =p
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> frank: maybe upgrade to the beta... lol
[04:38] <Reblended> http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
[04:39] <Reblended> (those are for installing MS's core fonts on nix
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:39] <Reblended> =D
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:39] <Reblended> ok.. I only use two.. ariel, and times-newroman
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> i saw that link scroll by in my logs
[04:39] <Reblended> I'm bland
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> kiss
[04:39] <Reblended> I worked for a lady designer that loved Utopia
[04:39] <Reblended> u this and u that
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:40] <] BreliC[> Reblended, hehe, s'ok.  i was a graphic designer in a past life, so still use some for hobby design
[04:40] <Reblended> I love fonts ] BreliC[
[04:40] <Reblended> I really want to move to nix to be able to create fonts for free
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> i still do some graphic work ... at my work
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> i have like 400 fonts installed
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> course linux don't complain, but winders does
[04:40] <] BreliC[> Reblended, you're not using *nix?
[04:40] <Reblended> this desginer would get a new type-1 from Adobe and just drool and act histerically
[04:41] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, I just booted the live cd of hoary two days ago.. Love it~!
[04:41] <] BreliC[> sweet :)  First experience?
[04:41] <Reblended> YES!!!
[04:41] <] BreliC[> welcome aboard
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> funny thing is they are not difficult to make
[04:41] <dazed> Reblended: it is great isnt it
[04:41] <dazed> nomasteryoda: fonts?
[04:41] <Reblended> only good experiences on my sis's HP.. my sony is another question
[04:41] <] BreliC[> <-- windows-free for almost two years now
[04:42] <Reblended> dazed, I can now rest in peace after trying nix
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> dazed: possible solution to frank's seg fault
[04:42] <] BreliC[> except for studio recording, which i still need windows for
[04:42] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, why did I wait so long?
[04:42] <dazed> Reblended: sometimes some machines take more configging than others
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> i OOo
[04:42] <Reblended> ] BreliC[,  no you DONT!!!!
[04:42] <dazed> nomasteryoda: i would think font making is hard
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> right
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> it's not
[04:42] <] BreliC[> Reblended, for professional, yes
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> and the right app
[04:42] <Reblended> ] BreliC[,  oh my.. there is an awesome program.. let me find it
[04:42] <dazed> nomasteryoda: good to know
[04:43] <] BreliC[> Reblended, nix apps just aren't there yet.  i love the concept behind jack and the interconnection, but it's still flaky at best
[04:43] <Reblended> dazed, well, the sony just won't boot on the live cd.. gets stuck after vmlinuz... I don't know what args to use
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> i used to do it with coreldraw
[04:43] <dazed> nomasteryoda: do you like draw each individual character with some app and then compile?
[04:43] <] BreliC[> i've had headaches working with ardour, rosegarden, jamin, etc...
[04:43] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, well.. hang on a bit I want your opinion on another
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> or "export" as corel calls it
[04:43] <Reblended> brb
[04:43] <dazed> Reblended: theres a list when u put live cd in when you f2 or f3 i think
[04:43] <revelater> ] BreliC[ if you can get your hands on protools source for osx you could easily compile it for anything else
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> F2
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> same as for Knoppix
[04:44] <] BreliC[> revelater, protools is open source?  plus, doesn't it require dedicated hardware?
[04:44] <dazed> it is same as knoppix
[04:44] <revelater> ] BreliC[ no its isn't, tahts why i said if
[04:45] <] BreliC[> revelater, nice.. is it easily available?
[04:45] <revelater> ] BreliC[ you MAY be able to purchase it if you sign an affidavit of some kind
[04:45] <] BreliC[> hahah
[04:46] <revelater> ] BreliC[ and i think you only need dedicated hardware if you plan on doing REALLY advanced stuff
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> did any of you listen to RMS on Thelinuxlink.net's techshow last night?
[04:46] <] BreliC[> revelater, i plan on doing really advanced stuff :D
[04:47] <revelater> ] BreliC[ by that i mean teaching utils and software
[04:47] <revelater> ] BreliC[ otherwise you should be fine
[04:47] <revelater> ] BreliC[ anywho, i have got 2 go
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> welcome sanxiyn
[04:48] <Fazer> crimsun: hey, sorry to bother you again, are you sure its this for my thinkpad 600e: "noapic nolapic pci=noapci"
[04:49] <crimsun> frank: no, you munged the syntax
[04:49] <crimsun> noapic nolapic pci=noacpi
[04:49] <Fazer> frank or Fazer?
[04:49] <crimsun> Fazer:
[04:49] <crimsun> frank: sorry
[04:50] <crimsun> note that noacpi != noapic
[04:50] <Fazer> crimsun: sorry, typos =(
[04:50] <Fazer> crimsun: so, what is the difference between the to?
[04:50] <Fazer> *two
[04:50] <Reblended> ] BreliC[,  rate this: http://bloodshed.net/wired/?sid=5
[04:50] <Levander> Anybod in here got the php mail() function working with the default ubuntu postfix?
[04:50] <crimsun> Fazer: sorry, kinda busy, try searching google
[04:51] <Fazer> crimsun: Ah, roger that.
[04:51] <frank> ;)
[04:51] <Levander> This is what I'm getting when I try to get the php mail() function to work under ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/271475
[04:52] <Reblended> ahh so, use of pastebin instead of flooding chat? Do I get it now?
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:52] <Fazer> Reblended: haha
[04:52] <Reblended> < I'm not new, I'm infant
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> pastebin is such a nice service
[04:52] <Reblended> ohh, yes
[04:52] <Reblended> Sign up to use?
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> nah
[04:53] <Levander> yeah, but did anybody look at what i pasted there??
[04:53] <Reblended> no kidding
[04:53] <bob2> #flood is nicer
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> just paste, your   nick and go
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:53] <Reblended> nice
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:53] <] BreliC[> Reblended, i've seen it before.  It's got some nice eye candy, but I would *never* trust a professional project with it.. it's ver 0.11, and doesn't even have jackit or ladspa support yet!
[04:53] <Reblended> k. thx for the rate ] BreliC[
[04:54] <bob2> Levander: your php script is broken
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> did you guys see this?>>>>>>
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> http://channels.lockergnome.com/linux/archives/20050414_ubuntu_meets_veronica_mars.phtml
[04:54] <Levander> bob2: good, somebody looked at it.
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> wow
[04:54] <bob2> or maybe php is just broken
[04:54] <] BreliC[> Reblended, no prob.  it's definitely the nicest looking multitracker for linux so far and has a lot of potential.  i hope it comes through
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> talk about primetime exposure for ubuntu
[04:54] <Levander> bob2: what's wrong with the script?
[04:54] <] BreliC[> Reblended, do you do recording now?
[04:54] <bob2> Levander: no idea, I don't do php
[04:55] <Levander> bob2: okay, thanks for commenting....
[04:55] <bob2> Levander: but it has no to: header, apparently
[04:55] <ortazel> hey, I have question regarding getting kernel-source into my ubuntu installation
[04:55] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, will keep eye on it... I've done just one cd with my sis, still have to master it.
[04:55] <difekta> WHENEVER my girlfriend logs into her account on my machine, the splash doesn't disappear until you click on it.  how do i fix this annoying situation?
[04:55] <Levander> bob2: that's the first argument in the mail() function, or is supposed to be anyway, doesn't work for me
[04:55] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, sorry was afk.. Just create a dir called ~/.fonts and put them in there. But I should mention that only your user will be able to use them in that location.
[04:55] <bob2> ortazel: best to just ask it then
[04:55] <bob2> Levander: ok
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> Levander: i just got my php working on a akkckc cough iis server at work... with phpbbs
[04:56] <bob2> difekta: that bug comes and goes over the years.  are you on ppc?
[04:56] <] BreliC[> dcraven, thanks, just tried your suggestion and works like a charm :)  I'm the only user anyway, so it's ok
[04:56] <ortazel> ok, I'm trying to install my wireless card with this guide- http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php#trouble_compiling
[04:56] <bob2> ortazel: ignore that guide
[04:56] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, cool.
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> and mod'd several things manually
[04:56] <ortazel> i'm stuck at the part where i install kernel-source
[04:56] <] BreliC[> Reblended, what did you use to record?
[04:56] <bob2> ortazel: you want 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
[04:56] <frank> anybody else have this bug:  users created with gnome Users and GRoups cant log on. users created with  sudo adduser can
[04:57] <ortazel> bob2: i'm trying that now, thanks
[04:57] <] BreliC[> Reblended, we're in pre-production phase for our cd. should be done by the end of the summer but we're getting it pro mastered.  it's worth the bucks
[04:57] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, We recorded at our piano tuners home in Seattle. Some win program I don't remember exactly
[04:57] <stas_> hi
[04:57] <] BreliC[> Reblended, nice. you play piano?
[04:57] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, This is just a low-cost thing. What's the going rate for say, 11 tracks?
[04:58] <stas_> can I raise the refresh rate of my ctrl-alt-fX consoles? and maybe add a background image or smth?
[04:58] <Fazer> Cubase?!
[04:58] <CheeseBall> hey a have a major question for all of ya.....in your opinion what is the best GUI
[04:58] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, All original compositions and I've done some with lyrics
[04:58] <bob2> stas_: just use X
[04:58] <stas_> sometimes I can't
[04:58] <stas_> like
[04:58] <stas_> I'll have a game or smth
[04:58] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, Yes, I compose on piano, classicly trained
[04:58] <] BreliC[> Reblended, in Canada, 12 tracks/60 minutes is about 4 hours for a good master and 8 for a great master.  Rate depends... anywhere from $40 - $150/hour
[04:59] <stas_> so I have to go and killall -9 wine wineserver
[04:59] <stas_> and other things
[04:59] <] BreliC[> Reblended, sweet... you should send me a tune when it's done
[04:59] <stas_> I think it can be done, I saw it on some of my friends' computers
[04:59] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, Maybe I'll shop around then. I can always email the job to wherever.
[04:59] <stas_> do you know if it's hard to do?
[04:59] <] BreliC[> Reblended, true, but it's nice to be there so they can ask you what you're looking for, and for you to hear what they're doing
[05:00] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, I plan to host my compositions in .ogg, and offer to send anyone a cd if they don't know how, or just want to support.
[05:00] <Fazer> wait, if next time you want to boot up ubuntu with different boot parameters, you can change them in /proc/cmdline ?
[05:00] <ice_1963> back to gnome frum kde
[05:00] <dcraven> CheeseBall, try each and pick the one you like.
[05:00] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, true... I want it as true to piano without any fx...
[05:00] <dazed> i want to do something with linux
[05:01] <dazed> im bored
[05:01] <CheeseBall> what is the on that you prefer dcraven
[05:01] <dazed> maybe some super tux
[05:01] <CheeseBall> not to start any debates
[05:01] <Reblended> dazed, what do you do when you're bored?
[05:01] <dcraven> CheeseBall, GNOME.
[05:01] <] BreliC[> Reblended, cool.. if you're interested, here's an online mastering studio http://www.xarcmastering.com/
[05:01] <bob2> Fazer: no
[05:01] <CheeseBall> cool thats the one im on now
[05:01] <Fazer> bob2: oh?
[05:01] <in1> can i upgrade from Debian Sarge to Ubuntu merely by changing the apt-repositories and doing an apt-get upgrade ?
[05:01] <bob2> Fazer: how would that work?  the kernel loses all state between boots.
[05:01] <dazed> Reblended: fix something...make something...add something to linux...and when all else fails...play super tux
[05:01] <CheeseBall> but i have window maker installed too
[05:01] <Reblended> checking it out. ] BreliC[  thx
[05:01] <] BreliC[> np
[05:01] <bob2> Fazer: you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst AFTER reading the comments in that file
[05:02] <bob2> in1: not easily, and it's not supported.  it'll "probably" work, tho
[05:02] <Fazer> bob2: Hmm, because when I boot up the Live CD, I have to type in this in the boot parameters: "noapic nolapic pci=noacpi"
[05:02] <in1> probably's good enough, thankyou bob2.
[05:02] <ice_1963> in1 howe is sarge ?????
[05:02] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, have to resurrect my German, looks like... and pay in Euros?
[05:02] <bob2> Fazer: how could editing /prc/cmdline ever work then, if it's booting off a read-only cd? ;)
[05:02] <dcraven> I need someone who is familiar with using ndiswrapper to proofread my howto before I break anyone's machines.. heh
[05:03] <] BreliC[> Reblended, heh, yeah, it's in Europe.  but is the site not in english?
[05:03] <in1> ice_1963: how is Sarge ?, it's ok if a little outdated by Ubuntu
[05:03] <bob2> dcraven: there's already a howto
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> dcraven: how much text is there.
[05:03] <Fazer> bob2: Ah yeah, i mean, when I have it installed.
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> ?
[05:03] <Reblended> ] BreliC[ oh yes.. En
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> dcraven: add it to the wiki
[05:03] <dcraven> bob2, crud.. Where is it?
[05:03] <bob2> Fazer: (note, you can't install off the livecd)
[05:03] <Fazer> bob2: So, when I install it, how do I make sure that these boot parameters: "noapic nolapic pci=noacpi" are there everytime I boot up the LiveCD.
[05:03] <dcraven> nomasteryoda, it's on the wiki.
[05:03] <bob2> dcraven: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[05:03] <Fazer> *boot up ubuntu
[05:03] <Fazer> not the live cd
[05:04] <Fazer> ubuntu
[05:04] <bob2> Fazer: er?  if you installed it, why are you using the livecd?
[05:04] <bob2> 13:01:50           bob2 | Fazer: you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst AFTER reading the comments in that file
[05:04] <dcraven> bob2, it's been 404 for a while now.
[05:04] <Fazer> bob2: What do you mean by AFTER reading the comments?
[05:04] <Reblended> ] BreliC[ basic question... once it is mastered... I shouldn't rely on a home burned cd, should I? or should I get a mastered cd and then burn from an iso of that master?
[05:04] <Fazer> bob2: Do I have to do that?
[05:04] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, for home duplication, that is
[05:04] <bob2> dcraven: yeah
[05:04] <bob2> Fazer: of course, or you'll break it
[05:04] <Fazer> oh =(
[05:05] <bob2> ?
[05:05] <bob2> you open the file in your text editor
[05:05] <dcraven> In case anyone wants to give it a breeze through --> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:05] <Fazer> bob2: Can't I pass those command line parameters during the installation so they are there by default?
[05:05] <bob2> you read the file
[05:05] <bob2> you make your change
[05:05] <bob2> all done
[05:05] <] BreliC[> Reblended, i would make an iso from the master and burn that
[05:05] <bob2> Fazer: I don't know
[05:05] <Fazer> bob2: Damn, okay.  Going back to the LiveCD now.
[05:05] <Fazer> ttyl...hopefully.
[05:05] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, ah! so then I can just request that xarc ftp the iso to me instead?
[05:06] <] BreliC[> Reblended, either that or they can mail the mastered cd to you
[05:07] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, ahh, still looking for rate sheet =] 
[05:07] <Reblended> ahh
[05:07] <Reblended> under rates
[05:07] <Reblended> LOL
[05:07] <dazed> supertux gets hard
[05:07] <] BreliC[> lol
[05:07] <Reblended> dazed,  never heard of it b4...
[05:07] <dazed> sudo apt-get install supertux
[05:07] <dazed> like super mario
[05:08] <dazed> but with linux characters and much cooler
[05:08] <] BreliC[> dazed, are there new levels?
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> yea very cool
[05:08] <] BreliC[> i've finished it many times :)
[05:08] <dazed> theres 56
[05:08] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, 9 tracks, 38 min = $763 CAD
[05:08] <dazed> ] BreliC[: hard for me :( im on first lever 5 circle thing...just got it like today
[05:08] <] BreliC[> Reblended, hmm, that's pricey.  where do you live? if you're near a major centre, probably cheaper to go straight in
[05:09] <Reblended> ] BreliC[,  Seattle area
[05:09] <] BreliC[> dazed, heh, but it is fun though
[05:09] <dazed> oh it is
[05:09] <] BreliC[> Reblended, well, Seattle has some great studios and so does Vancouver
[05:09] <] BreliC[> and Van will be cheaper for you :)
[05:10] <Reblended> ok!
[05:11] <Reblended> what's  the tilde in front of a path mean?
[05:11] <astro76> your home directory, i.e. /home/user/
[05:11] <jr_G-man> okay...i have dmraid all working on my machine...and I can manually mount the raid partition...
[05:11] <etzerd> Hello all
[05:11] <jr_G-man> can anybody tell me how to have this done automatically during bootup?
[05:11] <Reblended> thx astro76
[05:12] <] BreliC[> Reblended, so if you do 'cd ~' it brings you to your home dir
[05:12] <Reblended> ] BreliC[,  ahh, I noticed when I just typed cd  by itself it did the same
[05:12] <] BreliC[> Reblended, yes, that's true too... it's an alias
[05:12] <Reblended> ic
[05:12] <jivera> Does anyone want to quickly confirm that something's a bug before I report it?  echo 'b' | grep '[A-B] ' prints out 'b' when LANG is en_US.UTF-8, but not when LANG is empty.
[05:13] <] BreliC[> Reblended, you can define all the aliases you want to make things quicker
[05:13] <Reblended> very nice
[05:13] <Reblended> kid of like % alias % in win
[05:13] <Reblended> kind*
[05:14] <] BreliC[> Reblended, look at the ~/.bashrc file for a definition of some aliases and where to save new ones
[05:14] <Reblended> cool
[05:15] <Reblended> why, when I open a .txt file in Ubuntu it says it is an executable?
[05:15] <ortazel> bob2: that worked great- thanks a ton
[05:15] <robitaille> jivera,   I get a 'b' in both case, with LANG set and LANG empty
[05:15] <] BreliC[> Reblended, if it has the x permission, it can be executed
[05:15] <bob2> ortazel: no problem
[05:15] <] BreliC[> what are you opening it with?
[05:15] <jivera> robitaille: echo 'b' | LANG= grep '[A-B] ' prints out 'b' for you?
[05:15] <Reblended> ] BreliC[,  it just popped a warning message up... hmm... I just double clicked on it
[05:16] <Reblended> ] BreliC[,  I say to open it and everything is fine
[05:16] <Reblended> ] BreliC[,  just wondered why it needed to give me a warning message.
[05:16] <robitaille> jivera,  yes
[05:16] <] BreliC[> Reblended, because it's an executable script file
[05:16] <Reblended> ] BreliC[, ah? interesting
[05:17] <jivera> robitaille: Isn't that an even worse bug then?
[05:18] <Reblended> later all! and thx  nomasteryoda  ] BreliC[  and dazed for the great help...
[05:18] <robitaille> jivera,  maybe...I haven't tought of it that way :)
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> Reblended: nite
[05:18] <Reblended> =] 
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> nice to get a thanks
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> and to help
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> Fazer:  so back to the bootable huh
[05:19] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, yeah =)
[05:19] <Fazer> crimsun, do you think you'll be able to help me configure my wlan card? =/
[05:19] <dcraven> jivera, I'm trying to figure out why that command should not print a 'b'.
[05:19] <Fazer> crimsun, I pretty much got it to work last time, but it won't connect, nor would the lights turn on.
[05:19] <jivera> dcraven: Because grep is case sensitive by default.
[05:20] <jivera> [A-B]  should match just 'A' and 'B'.
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: if you can copy the cfg files from /etc/sysconfig/network  to a drive
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> then you should be able to use what the bootable produced
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> emphasize should
[05:21] <] BreliC[> Is there a Beagle .deb for ubuntu?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> ] BreliC[: er, it is complicated
[05:21] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, hmmm I have a dilemna here...I can only be connected to one thin gat a time.  Ethernet or the wlan card.  So when I remove the ethernet card, I can't tlak to you guys unless i plug itback in.
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> look google for it
[05:21] <bob2> ] BreliC[: look on the wiki (yes)
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: ok
[05:21] <Fazer> I wonder if I can bring my google bot in here =/
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:22] <bob2> Fazer: no
[05:22] <Fazer> bob2, yes, i saw that coming.
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> heh
[05:22] <] BreliC[> got it
[05:22] <dcraven> jivera, oh.. I was looking at a line that up there with a LANG= in the middle of the command and it didn't make any sense. Nevermind.
[05:22] <] BreliC[> btw, is it worth installing?
[05:22] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, /etc/sysconfig doesn't exist
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> ah let me see where
[05:23] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, sure
[05:23] <] BreliC[> i gotta say, the ubuntu abundance of info is amazing..
[05:23] <Fazer> man, wish the alt tab in ubuntu is the same as in OS X
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:24] <Fazer> that would rule
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> is that the expose function?
[05:24] <Fazer> oh and how do I change my hostname? my hostname is hella long and cryptic
[05:25] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, no, you press ALT + TAB and you click click instead of pressing TAB all the way to the icon you want to use.
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: when you change it on the install
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> ic
[05:25] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, change what in the install?
[05:25] <Fazer> ooh
[05:25] <Fazer> can't i change my hostname from here?
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> yea, hostname
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> er, maybe
[05:25] <Fazer> damn, nor links or lynx are installed =(
[05:25] <dcraven> Fazer, /etc/hostname
[05:26] <Fazer> ah
[05:26] <Fazer> dcraven, thanks
[05:26] <dcraven> np
[05:26] <Fazer> this is my current hostname: CPE000d88403cc5-CM0012c90fe42a
[05:26] <Fazer> Yeah...
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> wow
[05:26] <Fazer> yeah...
[05:27] <Fazer> dcraven, so I changed it, when it does it take affect?
[05:27] <dcraven> Fazer, if you change it in there, you might want to also make the change in /etc/hosts too.
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> Fazer:  you don't have /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> ?
[05:28] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, no this is the Haory live cd.
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> right
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> i know that
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> let me boot mine in vmware
[05:28] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, Hmm, damn, I don't have it.
[05:28] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, sure.
[05:30] <techn0brain> Anyone here knows a good amd64 repository? Does marillat provides any amd64 packages?
[05:30] <Fazer> gah, why is it taking soo long for firefox to start
[05:31] <Fazer> heh, nevermind
[05:31] <foo> Anyone familiar with freeradius and pptp? Trying to get pam authentication working ... radiusd -X shows rlm_unix: Attribute "User-Password" is required for authentication. Two strange things I see in /var/log/messages are: rc_avpair_new: unknown attribute 11 and rc_avpair_new: unknown attribute 25. I think these all relate somehow. I've checked google and mailing lists... any ideas?
[05:32] <dcraven> foo, I have no idea what those even are :(
[05:32] <foo> dcraven: thanks anyways
[05:33] <dcraven> I can't believe how slow it is in here tonite compared to the rest of the past week.
[05:33] <] BreliC[> how would vmware fare on a p4 1.8 w/512MB Ram ?
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: ok now well see
[05:35] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, it would run fine on that I think.
[05:35] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, maybe not real snappy, but it'll do fine.
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> ] BreliC[: well, it works on mine at work
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> but Vmware 5 seems even faster than the old one
[05:36] <] BreliC[> dcraven, ok, i think i'll try it out then.  would be nice if xen ran windows too. still need it for SPSS sometimes
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> 4.52
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> qemu does run windows
[05:36] <] BreliC[> qemu?
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> google it
[05:36] <dazed___> hello all?
[05:36] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, okay sure.
[05:36] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, btw, what is this for?
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> ? qemu is a virtual machine that is free
[05:37] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, PSPP is no good?
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> and it works
[05:37] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, that name has always cracked me up... haha
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> knoppix cebit edition 3.8 has qemu... boots right up into windows
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> as well as boots normally
[05:37] <dazed|> whats qemu?
[05:38] <DonL> Anybody else having problems printing from Firefox and Thunderbird since Hoary?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/16/0210216&from=rss
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> ok, so there
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: wow, i am getting sound too
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> nice bootup
[05:39] <] BreliC[> dcraven, heh, i know.  i haven't tried that one yet.  tried R and it's not adequate for me
[05:39] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, damn, I am not =[
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> well, it is in vmware
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> ... very compatible modes it has
[05:39] <Fazer> ooh, that's neat.
[05:40] <maxxist> anyone having any issues with logitech elite usb keyboards and hoary?
[05:40] <kkathman> howdy all :)
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> kkathman: howdy
[05:40] <dazed|> sup
[05:40] <maxxist> seems to loose connection after a while.  even unplugging doesnt fix it.
[05:42] <kkathman> evening nomasteryoda :)
[05:42] <DonL> This is weird. If I try to print from Firefox, it immediately kills the browser
[05:42] <dcraven> I had to use VMWare all summer.. It sucked like I never dreamed it could.
[05:42] <Fazer> dcraven, haha, why all summer?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> dcraven: lol
[05:42] <] BreliC[> dcraven, haha in Synaptic, the description for PSPP says "Please use caution in interpreting the results".. hehe, reliable statistics package ;)
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> the used vmware at brainshare
[05:43] <Fazer> and man, i soo wished that there was some sort of a command line browser with the live cd
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> and gave it away
[05:43] <frank> Fazer: you can install stuff with apt-get using live cd if you want
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> version 5 rock
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> s
[05:44] <Fazer> frank, hmmm, thats a good point!
[05:44] <dcraven> Fazer, I had to use it when doing my undergraduate thesis... Damn Nokia and their Windows-only SDK...
[05:44] <DonL> well, off to work on it some more. Night folks
[05:44] <Fazer> dcraven, oh
[05:45] <dcraven> ] BreliC[, yikes.. That doesn't sound too promising eh?
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> oh wow, ubuntu hoary is now working on that old 333mhz system
[05:45] <dcraven> Fazer, lynx isn't on the LiveCD? Nor is links?
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:46] <Fazer> dcraven, correct
[05:47] <dcraven> Fazer, so when are you going to stop messin' with the LiveCD and just install it?
[05:47] <Fazer> dcraven, well...I am thinking if I can get my wifi card working with the LiveCD.  IS that possible?
[05:47] <Fazer> I was thinking of doing the install tomorrow.
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: if the drivers are there
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> the install should go well
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> it took me 2 hrs to install on this old 333mhz sys
[05:48] <Fazer> shits, my thinkpad is a 366 MHz
[05:48] <Fazer> the HD is in NTFS
[05:48] <Fazer> blargh
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> but i'm looking at 2 machines, one with vmware and the 333
[05:48] <dcraven> Fazer, I think you'll have better luck with an install. Then you can compile your own (newer) ndiswrapper module.
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> ere, he don't need ndiswrapper
[05:48] <Fazer> dcraven, I hope so =(
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> i2200
[05:49] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, for my wlan card.  I do
[05:49] <Fazer> It's a Microsoft MN 720
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> ah, ok
[05:49] <Fazer> Uses the Broadcom chip.
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: did you look at the kknoppix
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> to make sure
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> it has ndiswrapper onit
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> you just need   the driver
[05:49] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, no, I don't have knoppix, nor I can get it =(
[05:49] <Fazer> A friend of mine burned me ubuntu
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:49] <Fazer> so, now I have ndiswrapper installed.
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> ndiswrapper works well
[05:50] <Fazer> but I get hostname errors because I tried to chang emy hostname.
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5a.inf or whatever it is
[05:50] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, alright, do I need to sed after wards?
[05:50] <dazed|> broadcom
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, i think you can kill X, then restart it...even on bootable
[05:50] <dazed|> bcmwl5a.inf - broadcom chips
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> let me try
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> that is the driver i got from Dell
[05:51] <Fazer> I will have to disable my ethernet
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> it was in an EXE
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, only after installing it
[05:51] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, okay, let me go ahead and install it ten.
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> but you can turn eth0 back on if need be
[05:51] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, yeah =)
[05:51] <Fazer> alright, install ing it.
[05:51] <dcraven> Fazer, I thought you had already gone through these steps before.
[05:52] <Fazer> dcraven, yeah, then I rebooted back to XP, did some stuff now back at the LiveCD to mess with it.
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, yes you can restart X
[05:52] <dcraven> I see.
[05:52] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, that will fix the hostname error problem?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> usually does
[05:52] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, alright, sounds good.  tell me how?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> after you change it, X gets confused
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> right-click System
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> er, click system
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> then click log out
[05:53] <Fazer> ah, and then... type in start x ?
[05:53] <Fazer> or starx
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> it will auto log you back in
[05:53] <Fazer> alrighty, will do.
[05:53] <Fazer> doing so now
[05:53] <Fazer> brb
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> it should only go back out to the login screen
[05:53] <Fazer> wait wait before I do
[05:53] <Fazer> what is the password?
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> nothing from what I can tell
[05:54] <Phoenix_Zero> mornin
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[05:54] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, sure.
[05:54] <Phoenix_Zero> god did I open up a hornets nest
[05:54] <dcraven> nomasteryoda, did you read my howto? Or at least skim it for incorrect instruction?
[05:54] <revelater> how do i use a .tar.gz file?
[05:54] <dcraven> heh Boring read I know :)
[05:54] <Phoenix_Zero> I asked one question in #debian they thought was stupid and I immediately had about 20 people screaming at me
[05:54] <Phoenix_Zero> people take themselves too damn seriously
[05:54] <dcraven> revelater, tar xvzf whatever.tar.gz
[05:55] <revelater> k
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, not sure on pwd
[05:55] <Fazer> damn..
[05:55] <dcraven> hehe.. Phoenix_Zero
[05:55] <Fazer> Because then I will be getting "DENIED" flashing on me in big red letters HOllywood style =(
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:55] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, I've heard that can happen there.
[05:55] <DocUb> Revelater: open it, save the main folder to a directory, then cd to that directory, then look for the configure file and type in your shell as root ./configure
[05:55] <frank> maybe that's the reason for Ubuntu's success... a newbie haven
[05:56] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: its so dumb though! I mean if you want people to adopt open source software, don't act like a prick!
[05:56] <Phoenix_Zero> its so simple!
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> if it only logs out not down to run level 3, but out to login screen, it will autologyou back in
[05:56] <Fazer> dcraven, would you happen to know the password for Hoary's live cd?
[05:56] <frank> nomasteryoda, about my OO segfaults. I downgraded to warty and it fixed it
[05:56] <Phoenix_Zero> Frazer: did you google it?
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> frank, congrats
[05:56] <dcraven> Fazer, I didn't know it had one.
[05:56] <frank> Fazer: there is none
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> frank, go out and download hoary cd
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> do a real install
[05:57] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, well, some of us are pretty elite.
[05:57] <Fazer> frank, so, for the password, I can just leave it blank?
[05:57] <frank> nomasteryoda, I downgraded only that package to warty
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> ic
[05:57] <Fazer> hmmm
[05:57] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, I could go either way, depending on my mood and how logical I'm feeling.
[05:57] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: if one is not kind to those who do not know as much as he, he does not deserve his knowledge. We all crawled before we walked
[05:57] <frank> Fazer: I'm pretty sure that it doesnt even ask for it
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> Fazer lets see
[05:57] <Fazer> frank, ah okay.
[05:57] <Fazer> ba
[05:57] <Fazer> h
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> frank is right
[05:57] <Fazer> I just typed apt-get install links
[05:57] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, I agree in most cases.
[05:58] <Phoenix_Zero> Fazer: I just googled it, I dont think there is a password, u sure u have the right CD?..
[05:58] <Fazer> i hope this doesn't slow me down afterwards
[05:58] <Fazer> Phoenix_Zero, heh, I think so..
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> the username is ubuntu
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> at least
[05:58] <Fazer> yeah
[05:58] <dcraven> Fazer, take out the Justin Timberlake CD and put the Ubuntu one in.
[05:59] <frank> lol
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:59] <Fazer> DUDE not funny
[05:59] <Fazer> =[
[05:59] <dcraven> hehe
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> got to make light a little
[05:59] <Fazer> haha =/
[05:59] <dcraven> sorry Fazer
[05:59] <Fazer> its cool'
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, just sec
[06:00] <Phoenix_Zero> hey, we all have our dark secrets
[06:00] <Fazer> sure
[06:00] <revelater> should i have mysql installed already?
[06:00] <revelater> what is sql?
[06:00] <Fazer> SQL == Structured Query Language
[06:01] <Fazer> Its for databases.
[06:01] <revelater> i see
[06:01] <Phoenix_Zero> its a databasing language (usually)
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> Fazer:  tried something i found on google ... did not work
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:01] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, oh, heh, so there IS a password?
[06:01] <dazed|> god i am the blunt master
[06:01] <revelater> does warty already have it?
[06:01] <sanxiyn> revelater: ?
[06:02] <dcraven> revelater, you'd probably need to apt-get it.
[06:02] <Cybermagellan> can anyone here help me with a Networking/Web problem?
[06:02] <revelater> and sql compiler or creater
[06:02] <sanxiyn> Some SQL implementations are available, yes.
[06:02] <Phoenix_Zero> hmm...right now my display is stuck at 640*480, under debian it wasnt, same hardware..any ideas? any more info needed?
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: no password
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> username ubuntu
[06:03] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, haha okay. time for a log out/log in thing
[06:03] <Fazer> brb
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> passwd ..... blank
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:03] <Cybermagellan> Pheonix....edit your xorg.conf and add the desired resolutions?
[06:03] <kakalto> hey all
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> oh holycow, welcome
[06:03] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, have a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (assuming Hoary) and see if your VertRefresh and HorzSync are specified for your monitor.
[06:04] <kakalto> if I have a 7-in-1 card reader, and I plug an SD card in, will it auto-mount?
[06:04] <Cybermagellan> I can view almost every webpage except for mine....does anyone know what would cause that?
[06:04] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: thanks, one second while I check
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> frank: glad that worked for you
[06:04] <wasabi> Can anybody recommend a program to configure a PPTP VPN?
[06:04] <sanxiyn> wasabi: pptp-linux?
[06:05] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: what am I looking for in the xorg.conf file?
[06:05] <sanxiyn> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/net/pptp-linux
[06:05] <dcraven> phoenix_atlantis, "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh".
[06:05] <wasabi> sanxiyn, so I assume you have used it before?
[06:05] <sanxiyn> wasabi: No.
[06:05] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero I mean..
[06:05] <wasabi> so you didn't do anything but apt-cache search
[06:06] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, It'll be in the Section "Monitor" section.
[06:06] <sanxiyn> wasabi: I only heard about others who used it.
[06:06] <Phoenix_Zero> k
[06:06] <Cybermagellan> Can anyone see me typing?
[06:06] <sanxiyn> Cybermagellan: yes
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> Cybermagellan: lol
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:06] <Cybermagellan> Ah....ok.
[06:06] <dcraven> Cybermagellan, I see you.
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> even the RIAA
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:06] <Cybermagellan> anyone using "Breezy"?
[06:07] <dcraven> Cybermagellan, your web server not running could cause that.
[06:07] <robby> Cybermagellan, Its on my too-do list
[06:07] <dcraven> Cybermagellan, yeah I'm using breezy.
[06:07] <kakalto> anyone?
[06:07] <yoda_vmware> yea, hoary bootable works from vmware
[06:07] <yoda_vmware> is it even built yet?
[06:07] <Cybermagellan> dcraven, I'm not running a webserver and everyone else can access the page
[06:08] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: good lord this is hard to navigate (wants to try something for a moment) where is the resolution option in Kcontrol? I know its a dumb qyestion, but I can barely navigate right now
[06:08] <dazed|> ssh is one of the coolest things
[06:08] <dcraven> Cybermagellan, you are not running a webserver yet people can get to the website that is not being hosted?
[06:08] <Fazer> Bah, well, I logged back in
[06:08] <Fazer> The thing is, it gave me that same error in a message box
[06:08] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, I have no idea where that is.
[06:08] <Fazer> So I decided to revert back to the old host name.
[06:09] <TechLord> how can i control my pcm volume with my multimedia keys?
[06:09] <Cybermagellan> dcraven, http://www.cybermagellan.com/Mozilla. I'm not hosting it...another company is....I get connection refused
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: the hostname?
[06:09] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: CPE000d88403cc5-CM0012c90fe42a was the old hostname I guess so I changed the /etc/hosts file back to it.
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> Cybermagellan: proxy
[06:09] <holycow> nomasteryoda, danke
[06:09] <holycow> :)
[06:09] <Cybermagellan> nomasteryoda, ?
[06:09] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[06:09] <Cybermagellan> Sorry I am new to Linux...and don't mess with Proxies
[06:09] <Phoenix_Zero> Im in the xorg.conf file, and Im looking uder monitors
[06:09] <Fazer> The hell...
[06:09] <Fazer> When I type sudo ndiswrapper -l
[06:10] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: it says "DELL D825TM" "DPMS"
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> Cybermagellan: does your browser need a proxy to get out?
[06:10] <Fazer> I get this error on the top line: ls: /etc/ndiswrapper: No such file or directory
[06:10] <Cybermagellan> Nope...I can browse any other site directly
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: looks like you will have to be brave
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> and install
[06:10] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, and that's it for that section? Can you find your monitor's specs online?
[06:10] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: Alright
[06:10] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: So, install that driver now?
[06:10] <Phoenix_Zero> and under "screen" it lsits my graphics card, the right monitor and then a bunch of resolutions (up to and including 1024*768) but I can only select 640*480 or lower when I configure the monitor
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> so you can ./compile && make && make install
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> ./configure
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> i meant
[06:10] <Cybermagellan> Firefox doesn't work, Dillo doesn't work, Epiphany doesn't work....
[06:11] <Cybermagellan> But my Mac that is right beside me works
[06:11] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: wait, I have do that hole make and ./compile stuff?
[06:11] <Cybermagellan> and can see the page
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, change ./compile to ./configure
[06:11] <Cybermagellan> however if I shut down the Mac and reboot everything on my network it still doesn't work
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> Fazer:  let me get you a link
[06:11] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: where exactly?
[06:11] <Fazer> ok
[06:11] <Fazer> ah damn, i have to open up firefox. bah
[06:11] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: found the scanning frequencies, horizontal is 30 to 70 KHz, Vert is 50 to 120Hz
[06:12] <kakalto> if I have a 7-in-1 card reader, and I plug an SD card in, will it auto-mount?
[06:12] <Phoenix_Zero> Im sorry, I just really dont know how to do any of this..
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, is wget in there
[06:12] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, okay then, immediately after the Option "DPMS" line, add the following tw0 lines.
[06:12] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: oh yes, it is
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:12] <Cybermagellan> Did I stump everyone?
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> that'll do
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> Cybermagellan: no
[06:12] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, line 1: HorizSync  30-70
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> are you on that system now?
[06:13] <Cybermagellan> yeah
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:13] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: yes, I am talking to you directly from it.
[06:13] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, line 2: VertRefresh 50-120
[06:13] <Phoenix_Zero> do I add "Option" before those lines?
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> Cybermagellan: can yo access any web site?
[06:13] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, it would be good if you backed that file up first too.
[06:13] <Cybermagellan> yep.....any valid one
[06:13] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, no. Just add them as I typed them. After the colon of course... hehe
[06:14] <root_> anybody here want to help me get my printer working
[06:14] <Phoenix_Zero> um...whats the command to copy things?
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: the issue is kernel source requirements
[06:14] <root_> had it working fo rlike a cday
[06:14] <Cybermagellan> nomasteryoda, it worked fine on tues...I came home weds and now it doesn't work
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> and bootable does not have it
[06:14] <Phoenix_Zero> root_: very bad idea to logon to irc under root
[06:14] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: but, what are we compiling.
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> ndiswrapper
[06:14] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, depends on the editor.
[06:14] <root_> Phoenix_Zero yea well im trying to get my printer to work
[06:14] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: I already have it =/
[06:14] <Phoenix_Zero> I mean to copy files
[06:14] <Phoenix_Zero> under bash
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> but there is an install version on apt i think
[06:15] <Fazer> I got the .deb
[06:15] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, cp fromfile tofile
[06:15] <Phoenix_Zero> thank you dcraven, one sec while I back xorg.conf up
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: ok
[06:15] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: ndiswrapper-utils_0.12+1.0rc2-1_i386.deb is the file that I dpkg -i 'ed
[06:15] <Cybermagellan> nomasteryoda, anymore ideas?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> just thinking
[06:15] <sanxiyn> Fazer: Well, it is only "utils"... you also need kernel module.
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> sanxiyn: that is the rub
[06:16] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: still a little confused on how to enter these lines..
[06:16] <Fazer> sanxiyn: ooh I see.
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> you need source to actually make the thing work
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> so an install is required
[06:16] <Phoenix_Zero> do they go below the line that reads 'Option     "DEPMS"'
[06:16] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: really? it seems to be workign fine though..
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> of the OS
[06:16] <Phoenix_Zero> or after it?
[06:16] <Fazer> But I thought this .deb will do the trick
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper
[06:17] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: hold on.
[06:17] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: hmm, didn't return anything.
[06:17] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: strange, i ran this command in the afternoon and it worked out fine then.
[06:17] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, here is my monitor section --> http://www.pastebin.com/271493
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: but that was before rebooting right?
[06:18] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: heh yeah
[06:18] <John_Carey> Hello, can anyone help me with a Hoary from Warty upgrade problem?
[06:18] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, doesn't below and after mean the same thing in this case? ;P
[06:18] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: thanky for the pic
[06:18] <John_Carey> Er, I mean Warty to Hoary.  (Sorry...)
[06:18] <Phoenix_Zero> well technically no
[06:18] <Phoenix_Zero> below means directly below
[06:18] <Phoenix_Zero> after could also mean directly after
[06:18] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, Oh I see what you're saying.. Yes.. On the next two lines.
[06:18] <Phoenix_Zero> ok, I wq it
[06:18] <dcraven> hehe.. Never thought of that.
[06:19] <Phoenix_Zero> do I have to source it first or can I just get out of x and restart it?
[06:19] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, just log out of GNOME and back in, or close all of your apps and press CTRL-ALT-Backspace.
[06:19] <Phoenix_Zero> um..Im under KDE...hope thats not causing a problem
[06:20] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, no. Only for your eyes.
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> says "fatal server error: no screens found"
[06:20] <kakalto> please, anyone?
[06:20] <dcraven> Ughh..?
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> oh fuck!
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> lol
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> kakalto: huh?
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> language
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> I wrote VertSync instead of VertRefresh
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> sorry
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:21] <Fazer> so, i am impressed by crimsun's knowledge, I wonder what he does.
[06:21] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, "if I have a 7-in-1 card reader, and I plug an SD card in, will it auto-mount?
[06:21] <Cybermagellan> nomasteryoda, any more ideas?
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> kakalto: it should work fine
[06:21] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, well glad you caught that before we spent the next hour looking for it hahah
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> Cybermagellan: looking
[06:21] <Ryman> hi guys
[06:21] <Phoenix_Zero> ya no kidding
[06:21] <Phoenix_Zero> lol
[06:21] <nickoli> man ubuntu sucks at printing, dam setup only works for a day
[06:21] <kakalto> nomasteryoda, thanks.
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> John_Carey: look here
[06:21] <Ryman> I'm on windows right now and I want to do the dual booting winXP and ubuntu
[06:21] <Cybermagellan> it's cool....This is the one thing that's getting under my skin...."I" don't know where to start
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:22] <Phoenix_Zero> methinks that might have done it..
[06:22] <Ryman> do I have to use magic partition to make new partition
[06:22] <kakalto> :(
[06:22] <John_Carey> Thanks nomasteryoda , I have read those already and sadly, no joy.
[06:22] <Ryman> or I can make new partition when I install Ubuntu ?
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> Ryman, once you get into it you will just dump windows ... if you don't really need it
[06:22] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: hell yes!
[06:22] <John_Carey> The upgrade was successful.  Everything works except my keyboard under X.
[06:22] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: i will brb, bathroom =/
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> John_Carey: i just download the cd iso and installed it
[06:22] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, good!
[06:22] <kakalto> my dad thinks if I put his SD card into the comp under linux, it'll wipe it
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: TMI
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> kakalto: no
[06:23] <Ryman> nomasteryoda, I was going to dump windows for Ubuntu.
[06:23] <John_Carey> It works in single user, but under X while the mouse works, the keyboard is dead.
[06:23] <Ryman> I installed Ubuntu on my other computer
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> Ryman: nice
[06:23] <Ryman> last time I used magic partitioin to make new partition
[06:23] <Ryman> i just wonder if I can make new partition when I install Ubuntu
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: could you help me get a decent graphics driver running for my NVIDIA gfx card?
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> John_Carey: try to reconfigure using 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:24] <John_Carey> I didn't want to reinstall, so I simply edited my sources.list and did an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> and make sure you choose the correct keyboard... maybe
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> I already have the latest drivers from nvidia for linux
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> but im having some trouble understanding the errors it generates when I try to install it
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> Ryman: er, if you have the free space or a spare partition
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> it should work
[06:24] <Ryman> nomasteryoda, could you help me to install Ubuntu the correct way ?
[06:24] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, I think I just ran the Nvidia installer. What type of errors does it giv?
[06:25] <dcraven> give even?
[06:25] <Ryman> I don't know how to use the partition in Ubuntu
[06:25] <Ryman> and last time I installed / and /home in the same partition
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> curses it is, but it works
[06:25] <John_Carey> Thanks, I did select the correct keyboard.  I was wondering if there was a way to run the new Hoary install script's keyboard detection program (or script)?  Do you k now what it is called?
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> ouch
[06:25] <Ryman> someone told met hat it isn't secure
[06:25] <dazed|> gnite all
[06:25] <Ryman> and I'm new to linux so I know nothing about those things
[06:25] <Ryman> gnite dazed|
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> one second Ill run it and tell you
[06:26] <Cybermagellan> nomasteryoda, someone in #ubuntuforums said this isn't a linux problem?
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> Ryman: well, it is not safe as in you could wipe your data on a new install or upgrade
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> Cybermagellan: maybe not, but it should be simple enough
[06:26] <dcraven> Ryman, I'm not sure how massive of a security risk it is, but it's certainly convenient to have a separate /home partition. Then you can reinstall Linux (any distro) and never lose your data or settings.
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> i know it is not due to some spyware or trojan...lol
[06:26] <John_Carey> Thanks...
[06:27] <Ryman> nomasteryoda, I can create new partition when I'm installing Ubuntu right ?
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:27] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: what's TMI?
[06:27] <Cybermagellan> To much information
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> too much info
[06:27] <Fazer> (back, btw)
[06:27] <Ryman> can you help me with that step and about the / and /home thing ?
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:27] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: oh haha
[06:27] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: so, you were going to send me a link or something?
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> kinda like some "choice" 4 letter words that get people kicked
[06:27] <Fazer> I guess I am up for typing all that information.
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> yea just sec
[06:27] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven "no precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to odownlaod a kernel interaface for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp side? (ftp://download.nvidia.com)?
[06:27] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: sure.
[06:28] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, say yes.
[06:28] <John_Carey> Ryman, be sure to defrag first if you are going to try to dual boot a machine on which you have been running Windows for a while.
[06:28] <Ryman> John_Carey, thanks
[06:28] <Ryman> I'm going to defrag now
[06:28] <Phoenix_Zero> "no precomipiled kernel interface was found on the NVIDIA ftp site; this means that the installer will need to compile a kernel interface for your kernel"
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> definitely
[06:28] <Phoenix_Zero> only option is ok
[06:28] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, go for it.
[06:29] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, and if your message is for me, then include my nick in it as I may be in another window/workspace. If my name is in the message then this window will beep.
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> "ERROR: unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your kernel. If you know the correct kernel source files are installed, you may specify the kernel source path withg the '--kernel-source-path' commandline option
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> so Im guessing i need to grab the src for my kernel?
[06:30] <zerovertex> I'm trying to install openoffice.org2 but apt-get keeps trying to get it from universe when it's been moved to main. how can I clear out the apt-cache?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> Phoenix_Zero: did you do an upgrade?
[06:30] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: why are you trying to compile them?
[06:30] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> and not reboot?
[06:30] <Ryman> oh crimsun is here
[06:30] <John_Carey> So, back to my sad tale of woe.  I had Warty running very nicely, I upgraded to Hoary and my keyboard doesn't work under X.  At first I thought it may be a problem with X.org, so I rolled back to XFree86 and still no success.  I have reinstalled X.org now and have looked at xorg.conf and I can't see anything wrong.  Any ideas?
[06:30] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, and yes those are backticks.
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> crimsun: I grabbed the file NVIDIA listed as the latest driver and followed their instructions, I didnt know I had to compile anything
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> I thought it just installed
[06:31] <Fazer> lspci
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> oh theyre "`" those things?
[06:31] <Fazer> whoops, wrong window
[06:31] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: it _is_ installed
[06:31] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: that's why I asked why
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> Im not sure
[06:31] <Fazer> crimsun: Hey, would you be free to help?
[06:31] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> apparently the installer wants the kernel source to look at
[06:32] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: don't use the installer. Read the url I gave you.
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> crimsun: no, I didnt know that existed
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> crimsun: thanky you
[06:32] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: np
[06:32] <crimsun> Fazer: what's up?
[06:32] <kanuha> Phoenix_Zero, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[06:32] <zerovertex> I'm trying to install openoffice.org2 but apt-get keeps trying to get it from universe when it's been moved to main. how can I clear out the apt-cache?
[06:33] <Fazer> crimsun: I was trying in the afternoon to get my MN 720 wlan card working.
[06:33] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, my apologies. I thought you wanted the ones from nvidia for a special reason.
[06:33] <Fazer> I wasn't really successful because the card didn't turn on.
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: i pasted in another tab
[06:33] <Phoenix_Zero> ok...apparently I need the "linux restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-3
[06:33] <necrosys> hi, everybody
[06:33] <Phoenix_Zero> so does that mean I have to update me kernel?
[06:33] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: are you running Hoary?
[06:33] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: I am using irssi righ tnow.
[06:33] <dcraven> Okay, well I'm off to bed. G'nite everyone.
[06:33] <zerovertex> er, how can I get apt-get to see that openoffice.org2 is now in main and not universe?
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> ic
[06:33] <crimsun> zerovertex: you need to enable the main repo
[06:34] <ryman> do you guys make your desktop look all pretty ?
[06:34] <zerovertex> crimsun, it is enabled.. double checking, hang on.
[06:34] <kanuha> zerovertex, you can use synaptic to get openoffice
[06:34] <Phoenix_Zero> mine's pretty to me
[06:34] <John_Carey> Did you do apt-get update zero?
[06:34] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: ^^
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> ok how about this Fazer
[06:34] <Phoenix_Zero> carey: no, what does that do?
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> http://pastebin.com/271500
[06:35] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: alright, let me load up firefox then, give me a few =/
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:35] <Phoenix_Zero> carey: I just did it, does it update system files?
[06:35] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: what version are you running?
[06:35] <John_Carey> It updates your packages list database.  Do that and apt-get will know what it needs to know to manage packages correctly.
[06:35] <Phoenix_Zero> kernel?
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> i need ice and soda
[06:35] <Phoenix_Zero> um...whateer the base is that comes with hoary
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> and maybe a game of bzflag
[06:35] <Fazer> ice cream soda!
[06:35] <Fazer> bzflag?
[06:36] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: then you only need to follow the glx-config enable portion.
[06:36] <ryman> is Kubuntu pretty much the same with Ubuntu ? is it easy to install and get upgrade like Ubuntu ?
[06:36] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu is just the same thing with KDE
[06:37] <Phoenix_Zero> crimsun: um..so all I do is type "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" ?
[06:37] <jsgotangco> if you have Ubuntu just apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <John_Carey> After you update, you can upgrade which will install the newest versions of your already installed packages.
[06:37] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: just follow those directions :)
[06:38] <John_Carey> It is Ubunto ryman, but with KDM and KDE instead of their Gnome equivalents.
[06:38] <digitaladdiction> just installed ubuntu after hearing about it today on a virtual machine to check it out. 'sudo iptables -L' shows now firewall rules were set in the install. Does ubuntu use a diffrent firewall besides iptables by default?
[06:38] <ryman> John_Carey, thanks
[06:38] <John_Carey> Is there any significant difference between Kubuntu and a nomal Ubuntu installation with KDM and KDE installed?
[06:38] <stuNNed> digitaladdiction: ubuntu has no firewall by default
[06:39] <ryman> jsgotangco, so I can use that command to make Ubuntu look like Kubuntu ?
[06:39] <pimaniac> John_carey: i think the only difference is the install cd
[06:39] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu is just KDE
[06:39] <John_Carey> Yeah, that is what I thought.
[06:39] <John_Carey> That is why I never bothered with it, even though I prefer KDE.
[06:39] <ryman> yeah I know but I wonder if I can use KDE with Ubuntu instead of install the whole new Kubuntu
[06:39] <pimaniac> john_carey: the synaptic in Ubuntu's normal install has a kde category.  I checked it out, this is a fresh install
[06:39] <Cybermagellan> can anyone help me with reconfiguring eth0? Someone told me that is what is causing my issue
[06:40] <John_Carey> Yes ryman, that is what we have been saying.
[06:40] <ryman> kt hanks =)
[06:40] <pimaniac> ryman: yes, should just be able to tell synaptic to grab kde.
[06:40] <digitaladdiction> hmm that kinda blows; but thanks anyways
[06:40] <pimaniac> or apt-get :-P
[06:40] <DanglyBits> nobbie question...how do i load kde on ubuntu?
[06:40] <stuNNed> digitaladdiction: you can easily install a firewall, teh support is there
[06:40] <crimsun> digitaladdiction: there is no need for a firewall in the default config
[06:41] <John_Carey> sudo apt-get install kdm kde
[06:41] <Phoenix_Zero> crimsun: I ran "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and got the error "your X vonfiguration has been altered, this script cannot proceed automatically. if you beleive that this is not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following command 'md5sum /etc/X11/corg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf or manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the driver section from nv to nvidia
[06:41] <Phoenix_Zero> note
[06:41] <Phoenix_Zero> I already changed nv to nvidia
[06:41] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install kdm and replace it with gdm if you like
[06:41] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: then you will need to comment out Load "GLcore" and Load "dri"
[06:41] <revelater> alright, i am in fluxbox right now... what do i need to do to add desktop items
[06:42] <Phoenix_Zero> where is "GLcore"? and do I comment it out in xorg.conf or something else?
[06:42] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: xorg.conf, yes
[06:42] <revelater> alright, i am in fluxbox right now... what do i need to do to add desktop items??
[06:42] <Phoenix_Zero> how do I search for things inside vi?
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> '/
[06:42] <zerovertex> I have enabled main, i did apt-get update, check my output, http://www.pastebin.com/271504
[06:42] <John_Carey> It is just telling you that it won't overwrite your modified configuration file.  If you want it to be upgradable, you need to do the md5sum thing just like it says in the haeder of your xorg.conf or your XF86Config-4 file depending on which X Server you are using.
[06:43] <revelater> curses in 4 different languages
[06:43] <Phoenix_Zero> thank you very much Carey
[06:43] <Phoenix_Zero> although I would like to know how to search in vi as well ^_^
[06:43] <John_Carey> Your welcome.
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> Phoenix_Zero: search in vi with "/"
[06:43] <revelater> anyone here use fluxbox???
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> i love flux
[06:44] <revelater> teach me the ways of the flux master
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:44] <zerovertex> revelater, you have to get another program to have desktop icons.
[06:44] <John_Carey> Well, I am going to bolt.  I will just fix my keyboard problem myself using the time honored trial and error method, otherwise known as hacking blindly in the dark without really knowing what I am doing.  I will be back tomorrow in case anybody wants to hear the outcome of my adventures.
[06:44] <revelater> what program?
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> so what do you want to know
[06:44] <John_Carey> Good night all.
[06:44] <Phoenix_Zero> one second please Cary
[06:44] <Phoenix_Zero> *Carey
[06:44] <pimaniac> Theres something called FbDesk
[06:44] <revelater> i need to have desktop icons and edit the menu
[06:44] <pimaniac> for the flux desktop icons
[06:45] <John_Carey> Ok Phoenix
[06:45] <zerovertex> that's it
[06:45] <Phoenix_Zero> I ran the md5sum command as it asked but it still errors
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> i use damnsmall linux for flux
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> not flux on ubuntu
[06:45] <John_Carey> Oh, and thanks for the attempt at helping Yoda, I appreciate  your efforts.
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> nite John
[06:45] <revelater> i have fbdesk, but it doesnt work
[06:45] <John_Carey> What kind of errors?
[06:45] <Phoenix_Zero> the exact same one as before
[06:45] <John_Carey> Did you remember to sudo?
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> Im under root right now
[06:46] <John_Carey> Or, if you want to do it in a very un-Ubuntu way, you can su.
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> Ive done with sudo and without
[06:46] <John_Carey> Ok, what commands did you type?
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> it still gives me the same error it did before
[06:46] <Plexys> a
[06:46] <zerovertex> if i do apt-get clean, will that force redownload of the package listing?
[06:47] <revelater> fbdesk gives me errors
[06:47] <John_Carey> You need to be root, it really doesn't matter how you get there.
[06:47] <Phoenix_Zero> md5sum /etc/X11/corg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf .d5sum
[06:47] <pimaniac> revelater:  fbdesk website suggests that the author hangs in #fluxbox
[06:47] <Phoenix_Zero> md5sum /etc/X11/corg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf .md5sum
[06:47] <John_Carey> No, it will only clean up broken dependencies in your existing online database zero.
[06:47] <revelater> bug the author?
[06:47] <Phoenix_Zero> ...um..no idea what that means..
[06:48] <revelater> pimaniac, do you know anything about fluxbox?
[06:48] <Plexys> hello, does anyone know how i can configure an automatic logon to ubuntu at start?
[06:48] <John_Carey> Just as sec Phoenix.  I have a phone call.
[06:48] <crimsun> revelater: ask in #fluxbox
[06:48] <Phoenix_Zero> k
[06:48] <pimaniac> revelater: well, at least fluxbox users if not the author:)
[06:48] <ryman|> hey guys
[06:48] <revelater> on this server?
[06:48] <zerovertex> Plexys, sudo gdmsetup
[06:48] <ryman|> I'm going to install Ubuntu now
[06:48] <ryman|> can you guys help me ?
[06:48] <crimsun> revelater: yes
[06:48] <menasse> dhcp on ubuntu is slow....
[06:48] <menasse> anyone know why
[06:49] <Plexys> thank you, zerovortex
[06:49] <zerovertex> np
[06:49] <John_Carey> Ok, assuming you are root, which you can tell with a whoami or an id command, you should type the following:
[06:50] <Phoenix_Zero> k, I am root
[06:50] <John_Carey> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
[06:51] <Phoenix_Zero> done
[06:51] <ryman|> hmmm
[06:51] <ryman|> when I put the Ubuntu CD in and restart
[06:51] <ryman|> it says "boot failed .."
[06:51] <John_Carey> sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[06:51] <ryman|> it displayed Ubuntu screen
[06:52] <Phoenix_Zero> what does the -c do do?
[06:52] <John_Carey> Then finally,
[06:52] <Phoenix_Zero> are those backtics or quotes?
[06:52] <tjs> anyone use the plone packages in ubuntu?
[06:52] <John_Carey> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> ` = backtick  ' = quotes. :P those are quotes
[06:53] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[06:53] <Phoenix_Zero> now my prompt is a ">"
[06:53] <John_Carey> The sh runs the Bourne Again Shell and the -c flag tells the shell to execute commands from the script following the flag.
[06:54] <John_Carey> Either I made a typo or you forgot something, like the very important '
[06:54] <Phoenix_Zero> I forgot the last quote, good call
[06:54] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[06:54] <Phoenix_Zero> diid that
[06:54] <John_Carey> Another phone call...
[06:54] <crimsun> for the most part, it's sometimes better to suggest $() instead of ``
[06:54] <Phoenix_Zero> one sec while I do the next part
[06:54] <crimsun> that way people don't confuse ` for '
[06:54] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[06:54] <Phoenix_Zero> this is interesting...
[06:55] <Phoenix_Zero> "Package `xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available
[06:55] <Fox> this is pretty weird, i'm getting 'mount: /dev/hdd1 already mounted or /shared busy' even in single user mode, not in that dir, no apps running.
[06:55] <Fox> when i force it with mount -f, it seems to work, is added to mtab, but it's not even really mounted.
[06:55] <John_Carey> Yeah, that works too.  I have been at this for a long while though crimsum and in the days of using a Teletype for keyboard imput, you appreciated using fewer characters so I usually default to the most terse representation.  Sorry if that confuses anyone.  Hell, it confuses me sometime too.
[06:56] <Fox> anybody know what causes this?
[06:56] <ryman|> can someone please help me with the partition
[06:56] <Phoenix_Zero> Fox: I blame the economy
[06:56] <ryman|> I'm at the partion step now
[06:56] <Fox> it just started happening when i put 2.6.11.7 on
[06:56] <Fox> Phoenix_Zero: way to be serious :)
[06:56] <Phoenix_Zero> Fox: Ive had a bad day ^_^
[06:56] <Phoenix_Zero> Carey: its telling me xserver-xfree86 isnt installed
[06:56] <Fox> Phoenix_Zero: i just quit smoking
[06:56] <Fox> :D
[06:56] <Phoenix_Zero> Fox: touche
[06:57] <Fazer> Man, I had to reboot the LiveCD cuz it iwas soo laggy=(
[06:57] <Fazer> Bah, anyways, crimsun, do you know why my hostname is soo damn huge?
[06:57] <Fox> back to 2.6.10 i go..
[06:57] <Fazer> its this: CPE000d88403cc5-CM0012c90fe42a
[06:57] <zerovertex> okay, I tried to update openoffice from synaptic. here's my errors. please help! http://www.pastebin.com/271510
[06:57] <Phoenix_Zero> carey: how can xserver run without that package?
[06:57] <John_Carey> Are you double mounting it or have you mounted to a place that is linked to another mountpoint, essentially mounting it to itself?  That can cause it to be busy.
[06:57] <crimsun> Fox: should have waited, heh. The next server we'll have is at least 2.6.12rc2
[06:57] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: So...you there?
[06:57] <crimsun> Fox: s/server/kernel/
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> still
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:58] <John_Carey> If you are using Hoary, you are running a different X server.  You are running X.org instead of XFree86.
[06:58] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: alrightly, so, I am going to install ndiswrapper from the .deb file.
[06:58] <Fox> crimsun: i just need 'a' kernel, it's fresh install, but i'm throwing the nvidia drivers on
[06:58] <Phoenix_Zero> ok, well I am running hoary
[06:58] <zerovertex> Fazer, that's what the LiveCD got from your dhcp server for your hostname
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:58] <Fox> 2.6.11 was just 'there'.
[06:58] <Phoenix_Zero> so I guess I do something different then eh?
[06:58] <Fazer> zerovertex: damn, then my cable providor suxor
[06:58] <crimsun> Fox: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:59] <Phoenix_Zero> so do I just run the same command but instead of xserver-xfree86 I write "x.org' ?
[06:59] <zerovertex> Fazer, do you have a router?
[06:59] <Fox> i would just *love* if the kernels had /proc/config.gz compiled in.
[06:59] <Fazer> zerovertex: No, i connected it directly to my cable modem
[06:59] <Fox> that would make things so much easier.
[06:59] <Fazer> zerovertex: tomorrow howver, it will go directly to the router =)
[06:59] <Fox> crimsun: thanks, i know how-to.
[06:59] <John_Carey> Then unless you explicitly installed XFree86, it won't be there, but X.org uses some of the same directories and files, so you will see XFree or xf files scattered around with either X server.
[06:59] <zerovertex> Fazer, then your cable provide sucks
[06:59] <Fox> i've been doing it for a while now
[07:00] <Phoenix_Zero> so what should I type?
[07:00] <deFrysk> Phoenix_Zero, xorg
[07:00] <zerovertex> okay, I tried to update openoffice from synaptic. here's my errors. please help! http://www.pastebin.com/271510
[07:00] <John_Carey> Where did I type xserver-xfree86?
[07:00] <Fazer> zerovertex: which is what I said =)
[07:00] <Phoenix_Zero> after dpkg-reconfigure
[07:00] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: Soo, I am installing that .deb now
[07:00] <Phoenix_Zero> so I should put x.org where I put xserver-xfree86 before?
[07:00] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> k
[07:01] <ryman|> can someone please help me with creating new partition on Ubuntu setup ?
[07:01] <crimsun> Fox: why? they're already present at /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[07:01] <Phoenix_Zero> ....
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> ryman|: what is the issue
[07:01] <Phoenix_Zero> "xserver-x.org" is not installed and no info is available
[07:01] <John_Carey> Yep, what DeFrysk said.
[07:01] <crimsun> Phoenix_Zero: no '.'
[07:01] <deFrysk> without the "."
[07:01] <Phoenix_Zero> ahh!
[07:01] <zerovertex> ryman, new hard drive or has existing partitions?
[07:01] <Phoenix_Zero> YAY!
[07:01] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: Done...
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> cool
[07:02] <ryman|> I have winxp on the first HD
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:02] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: Now what shall I do?
[07:02] <John_Carey> Here is what I typed: John_Carey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:02] <ryman|> and now i want to install Ubuntu on it and keep winxp as well
[07:02] <deFrysk> "." <-- cute smiley
[07:02] <drbombay43> ryman: what the problem
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, do you have the bcmwl5a.inf file?.... aka driver
[07:02] <John_Carey> Try that.
[07:02] <ryman|> so how do I make new partition in the ubuntu
[07:02] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: oh and `lsmod | grep ndiswrapper` still doens't show anything.  And yes, I have the .inf file
[07:02] <John_Carey> Anyway, I have to go.  Good night all.
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> ryman|: has this problem.. the winxp drive is NTFS and he can't change the size with ubuntu
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> i'm guessing
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, you need to load it
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:03] <pimaniac> ubuntu has ntfsresize
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> er, sudo mod...
[07:03] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: doing so now
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> pimaniac: ok cool
[07:03] <ryman|> the problem is I dont know how to use it
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> did not know that
[07:03] <drbombay43> ryman: He means are you using two different hd's
[07:03] <Phoenix_Zero> thanky John!
[07:03] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: wait wait wait, I have bcmwl5.inf not bcmw5a.inf
[07:03] <Fazer> mine is missing the a.
[07:04] <turkey_joe> i get the error message "error while initializing the sound driver" when trying to play an mp3 in amarok...can someone help??
[07:04] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: can you give me the .inf and .sys files?
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> ah fazer, the a is needed in most cases nowdays
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> just ec
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> let me find them
[07:04] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: thanks, just point me to the .zip
[07:04] <Fox> crimsun: neat, but how religious is that?
[07:04] <Fox> in the sense that, well, it may or may not correspond to that kernel.
[07:04] <crimsun> Fox: for a Ubuntu-provided kernel, it will always match
[07:05] <crimsun> Fox: (unless you're a sneaky sonuvagun)
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, let me go to my laptop where they are installed
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> it is on
[07:05] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: alright, you use the same card as well?
[07:05] <Fazer> Or, rather, same chipset?
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> it is a bcm chipset
[07:05] <drbombay43> is anyone here using 2.6.11
[07:05] <Fazer> Ah awesome, thanks
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> intel, but it should work
[07:05] <Fox> crimsun: well, that's just it, if i'm replicating, throwing kernels across a few servers, well, i guess it would be my own fault for not copying those 'other files' along too
[07:05] <Fazer> nomasteryoda: Alrighty
[07:06] <akk> drbombay43: I have 2.6.11 on another machine, not ubuntu
[07:06] <Fox> frankly, i never use them.  or initrds.  that's why the /proc/config.gz is so sweet.
[07:06] <Fox> :(
[07:06] <Fox> ah well, this'll do.
[07:06] <Fazer> what's config.gz?
[07:06] <turkey_joe> i get the error message "error while initializing the sound driver" when trying to play an mp3 in amarok...can someone help??
[07:06] <Phoenix_Zero> IT WORKS!!!
[07:06] <Phoenix_Zero> YES
[07:06] <drbombay43> I trying to get it going in ubuntu
[07:06] <Fazer> Phoenix_Zero: Eh?
[07:06] <Fox> Fazer: your kernel config, compressed via gunzip
[07:07] <Fazer> Fox: ooh, okay.
[07:07] <drbombay43> you would you be willing to help me out
[07:07] <Fox> Fazer: ubuntu kernels have that feature disabled by default though :(
[07:07] <Fazer> Fox: Oh =/
[07:08] <Fox> beh.. lets try this modified joobuntu kernel..
[07:10] <tux_> Fazer, can i dcc them over?
[07:10] <Fazer> tux_: Hold on, let me get on xchat.
[07:10] <ryman|> ok I'm going back to windows to create new partitions
[07:10] <zerovertex> crrrrap crap crap.
[07:10] <ryman|> how many partitions do I need for Ubuntu ?
[07:11] <Fazer> tux_, try now.
[07:11] <pimaniac> rymanl: the automatic puts two: an ext3 / and a swap
[07:11] <tux_> 2
[07:11] <mjc> ryman|, you only need two, but it's best to just leave free space and let ubuntu make them
[07:11] <zerovertex> apt-get is still trying to get openoffice.org2 from the universe and not the main. what's wrong with this crap!
[07:11] <tux_> ryman, 3
[07:11] <mjc> tux_, two
[07:11] <tux_> one for "/", one for '/home' and one for swap
[07:11] <ryman|> right now I have winxp on 80G HD
[07:11] <mjc> you don't *need* a /home
[07:11] <tux_> for data's sakes
[07:11] <tux_> yes you do
[07:11] <tux_> IMHO
[07:12] <mjc> it's not required.
[07:12] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, wait, where are you?
[07:12] <tux_> right
[07:12] <tux_> advised
[07:12] <tux_> yes
[07:12] <tux_> tux_= nomasteryoda
[07:12] <duken> hi,i has been installed php-mysql but when i see with phpinfo, thephp cinfgure just '--without-mysql' ??
[07:12] <tux_> lol
[07:12] <Fazer> tux_, ah hehe, okay...
[07:12] <duken> hi,i has been installed php-mysql but when i see with phpinfo, the php cinfgure just '--without-mysql' ??
[07:12] <ryman|> ugh you guys confused me
[07:12] <duken> why ?
[07:12] <ryman|> sorry but I'm new to linux
[07:12] <akk> Anyone install hoary on a machine with a usb keyboard?
[07:12] <ryman|> so I only need to create 1 new ext3 partition
[07:12] <ryman|> then let Ubuntu do the job ?
[07:12] <drbombay43> mjc; no it's not require but it should be done
[07:12] <pimaniac> rymanl:  leave empty space
[07:12] <akk> The installer doesn't seem to see the keyboard.
[07:13] <mjc> duken, the default configure was set up without it, then the php-mysql package adds it in as a library
[07:13] <pimaniac> rymanl: then pick "Automatic Partitions"
[07:13] <mjc> drbombay43, of course
[07:13] <tux_> ryman| to insure your '/home files remain if you upgrade, you want a '/home partition
[07:13] <pimaniac> rmanyl: and "Largest Block o' Free Space"
[07:13] <drbombay43> just wondering
[07:13] <drbombay43> thank you
[07:13] <duken> mjc: : how tomake the configure to with-mysql ?
[07:14] <pimaniac> rmanyl: from there, you can resize the "/" partition and add a "/home" partition
[07:14] <pimaniac> rmanyl: or leave as is
[07:14] <mjc> duken, it does not need to be
[07:14] <ryman|> i c
[07:14] <ryman|> let me make new free space
[07:14] <duken> mjc: why ?
[07:15] <mjc> duken, php-mysql package installs the mysql dependencies as a library
[07:15] <duken> hmm
[07:16] <duken> mjc: ok thanks
[07:16] <mjc> yep
[07:16] <ryman|> pimaniac, can I resize the / partition in Ubuntu setup ?
[07:16] <ryman|> and add /home
[07:16] <pimaniac> rymanl: pretty sure
[07:16] <ryman|> can you help me when I get there ?
[07:17] <pimaniac> rymanl: i clicked on defaults for everything :-P  gentoo installs are my area of weird expertise
[07:17] <mjc> hmm the amd64 splash screen's different by  default
[07:17] <pimaniac> rymanl: i can certainly try though
[07:19] <ryman|> thanks
[07:20] <duken> ask again
[07:20] <duken> :-)
[07:20] <duken> i have problem like this http://pastebin.com/271511
[07:20] <johsep> buenas noches.. alguien de habla ispana que pueda darme una mano????
[07:21] <turkey_joe> i get the error message "error while initializing the sound driver" when trying to play an mp3 in amarok...can someone help??
[07:21] <duken> it's kernel problem ?
[07:22] <locomorto> turky_joe set the output to esd
[07:22] <pimaniac> johsep: un pico.  que pasa?
[07:22] <locomorto> turkey_joe *
[07:22] <Fazer> hmm, which would be better? Fluxbox or blackbox?
[07:22] <locomorto> try both
[07:23] <akk> openbox is good too
[07:23] <akk> though I prefer icewm or fvwm personally
[07:23] <Fazer> How about xfce?
[07:23] <Fazer> I heard it is awesome.
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> use them all, try them all. :P
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> mix and match
[07:23] <Fazer> heh
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> Xfce has some nice tools that are handy.
[07:24] <Fazer> Dr_Willis, such as?
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> but the way it is laid out - i sort of dislike. so i dont use its taskbar.. but i do use its file manager. :P
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> xfsamba  and xffm :P
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> i think thats the names.
[07:24] <Fazer> mhmmm
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> xfce seems to play well withj gnome and kde both.
[07:25] <turkey_joe> it is already set to esd..i have sound on the desktop from clicks and stuff..there is no sound when i try to play mp3s and games.
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> Fazer: my laptop died
[07:25] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, ouch haha
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> think it was tired
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> just a min
[07:25] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, how long was it up?
[07:25] <Fazer> crimsun, hey, you there?
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> only about 24 hrs
[07:25] <Fazer> oh
[07:26] <johsep> alguien de habla ispana en la sala????
[07:26] <ryman|> whats so special about Ibook ? why are they so expensive compare to PC ?
[07:27] <ryman|> I've seen lot of ppl install Ubuntu on their ibook
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> they just work
[07:27] <pimaniac> i tried.  i really did
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> ibook that is
[07:28] <Fazer> ryman|, seen, as in, physicall see them install it?
[07:28] <zerovertex> Fazer, i like xfce. it rocks.
[07:28] <ryman|> Fazer, no
[07:28] <Fazer> zerovertex, lets just hope that I can get my wifi working with it.
[07:28] <ryman|> they was talking about they installed it on ibook
[07:28] <akk> xfce is okay except that it can't run without a panel, so it's still kinda slow to start up.
[07:29] <Fazer> now ony if tux_ / nomasteryoda can hurry up.
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> i am trying
[07:29] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, heh, its alright. how hard/easy was it to install them ?  btw, where diid you get those drivers?
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> very easy
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> dell
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> but the files come from broadcom
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> ok, trying laptop agian
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> this window will close
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> nite all.. .as nomasteryoda
[07:31] <ryman|> hmmm something is wrong with my Ubuntu CD
[07:31] <ryman|> I need to donwload it again =(
[07:31] <pimaniac> rymanl: failed check?
[07:31] <ryman|> yeah
[07:31] <ryman|> when I put it in the CD ROM
[07:31] <ryman|> it boot up
[07:31] <ryman|> then i see Ubuntu screen
[07:31] <ryman|> "press Enter to install"
[07:31] <ryman|> I pressed Enter
[07:32] <ryman|> it said something lke "failed to boot... "
[07:33] <htaccess> http://sites.gizoogle.com/showpage.php?url=http://www.ubuntulinux.org ;)
[07:34] <akk> Any ideas why all the items in System->Administration are failing?
[07:35] <akk> Like Synaptic brings up a dialog asking for the root passwd, then says: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Child terminated with 1 status
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> whew
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> Fazer, you still there
[07:35] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, hi
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> yeha
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> link me again
[07:36] <akk> But synaptic runs if I su to root in a shell and run it from there.
[07:36] <torpid> what do i do when firefox has a lock on my profile?
[07:36] <torpid> how do i delete it?
[07:36] <pimaniac> k, i got johsep, the spanish only speaker, in a private chat
[07:37] <pimaniac> its been a while, but im pretty sure hes having problems with xsane
[07:37] <akk> torpid: Look around under ~/.mozilla/firefox, probably, for a file with the name "lock" in it somewhere?
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> no go on dcc
[07:37] <pimaniac> anyone know xsane? :)
[07:38] <Fazer> nomasteryoda, still isn't working, let me pm you the upload info then.
[07:38] <mjc> hmm trying to set up my bluetooth keyboard and mouse
[07:38] <mjc> Can't create HID control channel: Function not implemented
[07:38] <mjc> from the default kernel
[07:38] <mjc> think it's missing a config option
[07:38] <ryman|> I want to learn some programming language by myself, which one do you guys prefer for the first language ?
[07:39] <pimaniac> akk, hes got a multifunction hp combo thingee
[07:39] <mjc> ryman|, python is nice
[07:39] <pimaniac> akk, i think hes seeing the camera input from the slot instead of his scanner
[07:39] <Fazer> mjc, oh hell, i love Python.
[07:39] <pimaniac> akk, ill try asking for more
[07:39] <torpid> why does firefox do that stupid lock crap?!
[07:39] <mjc> Fazer, still too slow for some things
[07:39] <SuperLag> ryman|: Python
[07:39] <asubedi> can you get shorter boot sequence by upgrading from warty, or do you have to install hoary from the cd?
[07:40] <mjc> torpid, because you haven't closed it completely
[07:40] <ryman|> oh ok i will try it thanks guys
[07:40] <torpid> why should that matter?
[07:40] <crimsun> asubedi: dist-upgrading is probably more straight-forward
[07:40] <crimsun> asubedi: boot time is the same afterward using either
[07:40] <mjc> torpid, the launch script is messing up and spawning another process
[07:40] <torpid> my computer cable came unplugged.  why should an app not be able to handle that?
[07:40] <mjc> most likely something's funky in your profile.
[07:40] <torpid> another process?
[07:40] <akk> pimaniac: I think I had to modify a sane file under /etc/hotplug somewhere for my epson scanner.
[07:41] <mjc> torpid, oh it left the lock file because you rebooted
[07:41] <akk> pimaniac: sane-find-scanner is sometimes helpful.
[07:41] <torpid> i deleted the lock file, now it starts.
[07:41] <mjc> it can handle it just remove the file and there you go
[07:41] <torpid> why would it have a lock file to begin with?
[07:41] <torpid> that's stupid
[07:41] <torpid> .yeah, i had to track down where it keeps that file.
[07:41] <torpid> bad bad programming
[07:41] <mjc> torpid, to prevent from running more than one instance of it
[07:42] <pimaniac> akk, so tell him to run that?
[07:42] <akk> pimaniac: It's a start, anyway.
[07:42] <akk> pimaniac: Unfortunately it's usually not very helpful about why it didn't find anything.
[07:44] <benh> ok, let's install it on this iMac G5 ...
[07:44] <torpid> http://www.richard-lutz.info/images/iraqiboy.jpg
[07:44] <pimaniac> akk, im telling him now :)
[07:45] <pimaniac> this is fun...
[07:45] <Fazer> pimaniac, what is?
[07:46] <navreet> is there gkrellm for ubuntu?? (amd64)
[07:46] <pimaniac> fazer: using my rusty spanish skills and google translate to knit a person with a problem to a person with a solution
[07:46] <Fazer> pimaniac, I see.
[07:47] <pimaniac> azz, it sees the scanner and the camera
[07:47] <Fazer> brb.
[07:47] <pimaniac> azz, how do you pick the source in xsane?
[07:47] <pimaniac> azz, that looks like it
[07:48] <pimaniac> akk, rather
[07:48] <pimaniac> akk, see last too comments to "azz"
[07:48] <akk> pimaniac: I don't know -- I've never had more than one available. :-)
[07:48] <akk> pimaniac: In xsane-gimp, there's a menu of sources.
[07:49] <pimaniac> ah
[07:50] <vs_zach> hey
[07:50] <vs_zach> whats a good ubuntu apt site
[07:52] <vs_zach> helloo
[07:54] <duken> hi
[07:54] <duken> the postfix is chrooted ?
[07:55] <vs_zach> hey
[07:55] <benh> is there a way to net install ?
[07:55] <benh> I don't want to d/l a CD now ...
[07:55] <pimaniac> akk, it works!
[07:55] <fabbione> hey benh
[07:55] <akk> pimaniac: Yay!
[07:55] <crimsun> there's a netboot image, no?
[07:55] <fabbione> benh: yes you can netinstall
[07:55] <benh> ah, found on the wikki
[07:56] <pune> hey, does anyone here know anything about multisync?
[07:56] <fabbione> benh: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/
[07:56] <mjc> pune, sure a little. works for me
[07:56] <benh> grrr
[07:56] <benh> the netboot install howto has a link to ... the x86 netboot install
[07:56] <pune> mjc, hey, I've got my device connected and recognized by raki,
[07:57] <fabbione> benh: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/
[07:57] <pune> mjc, however, I can't get multisync to work with evolution
[07:57] <benh> fabbione: iMac G5 is supported ?
[07:57] <fabbione> benh: if it needs a ppc64 kernel, not yet. we are working on it
[07:57] <mjc> pune, ok, can you sync evolution to itself?
[07:57] <benh> fabbione: power4 includes G5s ?
[07:57] <benh> yes, it does
[07:57] <fabbione> benh: but our g5 at the datacenter are running our kernels
[07:57] <benh> well, can I run ubuntu install ramdisk from a home made kernel ?
[07:57] <pune> mjc, what do you mean? sync evolution to what?
[07:57] <mjc> pune, to evolution
[07:57] <benh> or its like newer debian where they absolutely need the isntaller in sync with the install kernel ?
[07:58] <fabbione> benh: same story as debian....
[07:58] <benh> I don't care much, I'll run my kernels on it anyways
[07:58] <benh> fabbione: ok, that's something you should really change =P
[07:58] <fabbione> benh: yeah i know that :)
[07:58] <pune> mjc, I'm not sure what you mean?
[07:58] <benh> fabbione: basically, that prevents install on any machine that isn't supported by the official kernel
[07:58] <benh> It used to be so easy in the past with woody installer
[07:58] <fabbione> benh: yes we know that :(
[07:58] <benh> I could use it with any kernel
[07:58] <benh> the whole debian installer thing is a fiasco imho
[07:59] <vs_zach> hey
[07:59] <benh> fabbione: ok, so that means I have no way to install atm ?
[07:59] <fabbione> benh: iirc we did apply some patches to make g5 working
[07:59] <akk> The woody installer was way better on edge-case machines than the modern installers.
[07:59] <vs_zach> where can i find apt sources for stuff?
[07:59] <fabbione> benh: i would give it a shot
[07:59] <pune> mjc,evolution can sync like email and stuff
[07:59] <mjc> pune, set multisync to sync evolution on both plugins
[07:59] <benh> fabbione: it might be enough ...
[07:59] <benh> fabbione: power4 or powerpc ?
[07:59] <pimaniac> gentoos got a nice custom install feature :-D
[07:59] <vs_zach> hello
[07:59] <pune> mjc, oh, no i can't do that, it only let's me sync to synce
[07:59] <mjc> does it? hmm
[08:00] <fabbione> benh: mostlikely powerpc.. the patches are applied uncoditionally.. i just don't remember which one builds it
[08:00] <Fazer> Hmm, where is there no /etc/sysconfig in Ubuntu?
[08:00] <Fazer> *Ubuntu Live CD
[08:00] <fabbione> benh: you know i am not the ppc expert. i leave that to you usually :)
[08:00] <fabbione> benh: and unfortunatly Kamion isn't here yet
[08:00] <benh> well, I don't know ubuntu at all :)
[08:00] <mjc> hey benh
[08:01] <fabbione> benh: it's nothing so different from debian in terms of installation
[08:01] <fabbione> benh: and kernel
[08:01] <benh> yah, which sucks :)
[08:01] <benh> ok, if it doesn't work, I'll try genpoo :)
[08:01] <mjc> benh, I'm still on the gentoo dev roster heh
[08:01] <mjc> retired though
[08:01] <pimaniac> benh, what happened to debian?  i havent used in a few years
[08:01] <fabbione> benh: no way! i am going to build a custom installer for you if needed :)
[08:02] <fabbione> benh: i am not going to let you go away now
[08:02] <Fazer> Why is there no /etc/sysconfig in the live cd?
[08:02] <darmou> benh do know of a good flash replacment on ppc?
[08:02] <fabbione> benh: instead we could help each other to get g5 up and running if it doesn't
[08:02] <benh> pimaniac: well, as I said, the new installer works only with the kernel it was built for
[08:02] <darmou> benh is a legend:)
[08:02] <benh> darmou: nope :(
[08:02] <fabbione> there is actually a workaround to that
[08:02] <fabbione> but it is rather annoying
[08:03] <benh> darmou: I have some hopes we might get macromedia to do something one day ...
[08:03] <pimaniac> benh:  ah.  so the classic debian portability kinda got screwed? bummer
[08:03] <benh> darmou: but don't hold your breath
[08:03] <vs_zach> why wont anyone answer
[08:03] <benh> pimaniac: yes, you can't say build your own kernel that boots your new/embedded/whatever box
[08:03] <darmou> benh gplflash is quite good, only problem is that it crashes firefox.  swfflash does not work
[08:03] <benh> pimaniac: give it a debian initrd and install
[08:03] <vs_zach> can anyone see me????
[08:03] <pimaniac> vs_zach: there is a file in /etc
[08:03] <vs_zach> yeah
[08:03] <pimaniac> vs_zach: starts with apt
[08:03] <Fazer> Hello? Has anyone ever had wifi working in their ubuntu laptop?
[08:03] <darmou> I have heard that some people have been able to use qemu and the macromedia flash
[08:03] <vs_zach> apt sourcesi know
[08:04] <pimaniac> vs_zach: i think it has some extra sources commented out
[08:04] <vs_zach> yeah
[08:04] <vs_zach> i know
[08:04] <pimaniac> vs_zach: if not, ubuntuguide.com has a list of 3rd parties
[08:04] <vs_zach> i uncommented them
[08:04] <pune> mjc, so, is there anything I can do?
[08:05] <pimaniac> vs_zach: sorry, .org
[08:05] <duken> mjc: see http://pastebin.com/271511
[08:05] <mjc> pune, I'm not sure exactly what you're experiencing and I went hunting for my zaurus power adapter but to no avail
[08:05] <pune> mjc, lol
[08:05] <pune> when multisync loads it does give an error, which i don't know if it's an error or not
[08:05] <darmou> benh are ppc people going to keep using bitkeeper?
[08:05] <mjc> duken, acpi=noirq ?
[08:06] <mjc> or acpi=off
[08:06] <pune> mjc, [synce_callback:88]  ----->
[08:06] <pune> [synce_callback:142]  <-----
[08:06] <pune> [sync_disconnect:79]  <-----
[08:06] <pune> [sync_disconnect:73]  ----->
[08:06] <pune> [synce_join_thread:260]  synce_join_thread called when no thread is running
[08:06] <pune> [sync_disconnect:79]  <-----
[08:06] <pune> mjc, that's what the last lines read
[08:06] <benh> darmou: we haven't really used it seriously for ages
[08:07] <benh> darmou: so no
[08:07] <Fazer> hello?
[08:07] <darmou> benh so how is the ppc kernel maintained?
[08:07] <benh> lately, I've been using quilt and worked directly with upstream, using bk only to pull from linus
[08:07] <benh> well, we try not to have a "ppc kernel"
[08:07] <pune> Fazer,hey, it's me I talked to you earlier today,
[08:07] <darmou> ok have not heard of that one
[08:07] <benh> that is, work directly with mainstream
[08:07] <vs_zach> hey
[08:07] <Fazer> pune: Hey, yeah, I remember.
[08:08] <pune> Fazer, i'm having trouble with my multisync, trying to get it to sync with evolution
[08:08] <Fazer> pune: Ah
[08:08] <Cybermagellan> Can someone tell me how to check to see if my box is blocking a website or something?
[08:08] <pune> Fazer, you wouldn't happen to anything about multisync would you?
[08:08] <darmou> It's funny that it was because ppc maintainers were using bitkeeper that linux got interested in it in the first place lol:)
[08:08] <benh> hrm... archive.ubuntu.com is way too sloooooooww from here (.au)
[08:08] <Fazer> pune: Do yu have any experience with wlan cards?
[08:08] <Fazer> pune: No, I am a n00b.
[08:08] <darmou> linux=linus
[08:09] <pune> Fazer, um, you know I'm actually going to a guy tommorrow and he's going to show me how to fix mine, so when I find out I can pass some knowledge onto you
[08:09] <benh> darmou: not exactly ... we did beta test it, but it's not what caused linus to use it
[08:09] <fabbione> benh: ahah no no no.. that's .au that is too slow for archive :P
[08:09] <benh> somebody knows a decent .au mirror ?
[08:09] <fabbione> benh: there is a mirror list on the wiki
[08:09] <benh> k
[08:09] <fabbione> but i don't rember a sane .au mirror tho
[08:09] <darmou> I know that pacific internet have a mirror of the distro, that's what I use for my mirror
[08:09] <darmou> I'm in melbourne btw
[08:10] <Fazer> pune: Thanks, that would rock!
[08:10] <vs_zach> can someone post their apt-get sources
[08:10] <benh> k
[08:10] <benh> I'm in canberra
[08:10] <vs_zach> someone close to america
[08:10] <vs_zach> eastern
[08:10] <vs_zach> ish
[08:11] <fabbione> benh: btw after LCA there will be an Ubuntu conference in Sydney...
[08:11] <benh> ok, I see a bunch, let me pick one
[08:11] <kakalto> how do I get my digital camera to transfer pictures under ubuntu?
[08:11] <benh> IBM network is connected in weird ways, no clue which one will be faster
[08:11] <benh> fabbione: yah, I heard of that
[08:11] <vs_zach> can someone post their apt sources
[08:11] <fabbione> benh: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/
[08:11] <pune> Fazer, ok, hold on till tommorrow, maybe, do you have an email address
[08:11] <vs_zach> please
[08:11] <pune> Fazer, i can email you some instructions if you'd like?
[08:12] <vs_zach> am i visible???
[08:12] <vs_zach> can anyone frigging help me
[08:12] <vs_zach> hello
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> anyone plan on having a ubuntu conference in india ? :)
[08:12] <fabbione> benh: we are going to have several BOFs about kernel and installer, it might be a good opportunity to discuss your points there
[08:12] <vs_zach> ??????????????????????
[08:12] <ryman|> vs_zach, you are visible
[08:12] <ryman|> its just that ppl don't know about those stuffs
[08:12] <ryman|> I would help you if i know
[08:12] <Fazer> pune: Sure, let me PM it to you.
[08:13] <vs_zach> ...then can u post ur apt-get sources
[08:13] <ryman|> I'm on windows right now. I'm downloading and getting help to install Ubuntu
[08:13] <ryman|> sorry I'm new to Ubuntu
[08:13] <benh> hrm
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> vs_zach: why do u need them ?
[08:13] <benh> all the mirrors listed there are either slow on non-working from here
[08:13] <pune> Fazer, what's that?
[08:13] <kakalto> never mind, I found teh kamera
[08:14] <vs_zach> because i want to see if i can apt-get fluxbox
[08:14] <benh> bah
[08:15] <lamont> duken: yes, postfix is chrooted
[08:15] <benh> bypassed ibm network and it works much better :)
[08:15] <fabbione> benh: ehhe
[08:15] <SeamusLP> vs_sach:  I'm using main/restricted/universe/multiverse and I can install fluxbox 9.11-1
[08:15] <mjc> vs_zach, apt-get install fluxbox works with the standard sources configured to Multiverse
[08:15] <SeamusLP> vs_zach I mean
[08:15] <vs_zach> yeah
[08:16] <vs_zach> but it is the oldest version imaginable
[08:16] <pimaniac> vs_zach: i think _you_ just volunteered your services as a package maintainer
[08:16] <pimaniac> vs_zach: ill go find the tutorials
[08:16] <vs_zach> what do u mean
[08:17] <SeamusLP> vs_zach:  Uh, no?  The latest version is 9.12, a development release
[08:17] <vs_zach> yeah
[08:17] <vs_zach> but
[08:17] <vs_zach> i did apt-get install fluxbox and it installed 1.14
[08:17] <SeamusLP> ...what??  Are you sure you just weren't confusing it with a dependency?
[08:18] <shinobi8723> Hi all
[08:18] <shinobi8723> Is there anybody here who can help me with setting up Cups?
[08:18] <benh> fabbione: and you think I should attend this meeting in Syd ?
[08:19] <rOss^32> just quick question why is kasablanca not in repositories?
[08:19] <fabbione> benh: well you are a kernel guru and you have ideas on how to improve the installer.. i see good reasons for you to be there..
[08:21] <shinobi8723> I'm having problems with setting up cups...not via the gnome-print-manager
[08:22] <duken> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:25              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     4686/master
[08:22] <duken> tcp6       0      0 :::25                   :::*                    LISTEN     4686/master
[08:22] <duken> how to remove the tcp6 ?
[08:22] <duken> cause i'm not used it
[08:24] <shinobi8723> Goodness, setting up your printer in Linux is a pain
[08:24] <shinobi8723> lol
[08:24] <pimaniac> shinobi8723: kde has some cups config stuff :)
[08:26] <shinobi8723> pimaniac:Tried that and keep getting connection refused
[08:26] <shinobi8723> pimaniac:Not running right now on my Ubuntu drive
[08:26] <pimaniac> shinobi: ooh
[08:26] <SeamusLP> Holy crap, how did an entire debian submenu get put into my applications menu?
[08:27] <mjc> SeamusLP, the 'menu' package
[08:28] <SeamusLP> ...  Yeah, I thought it might be that.  I uninstalled it and killed gnome-terminal and it's still there.
[08:28] <benh> fabbione: the installer boots but can't find the network interface or the hard disk -> it doesn't have the iMac G5 support patches
[08:28] <ficusplanet> Hey.  Has everybody seen this: http://people.warp.es/~isaac/blog/index.php/ubuntu-and-msn-logos-18
[08:28] <fabbione> benh: if you have the patches i can apply them right away
[08:28] <fabbione> benh: i am preparing the kenrel for breezy
[08:28] <kakalto> yay
[08:29] <SeamusLP> mjc:  Any idea on how I can get rid of this crap?  menu editor doesn't seem to do the trick.
[08:29] <kakalto> ubuntu is everything I would want from an OS except games :D
[08:29] <kakalto> and even games aren't too bad
[08:29] <benh> fabbione: well... what base is your kernel on ?
[08:29] <benh> fabbione: 2.6.10 ? 2.6.11 ?
[08:29] <fabbione> 2.6.12rc2 for breezy
[08:29] <carl> anyone know how to make tv-out & CRT display together?
[08:29] <fabbione> hoary won't get updates
[08:29] <benh> 2.6.12rc2 should have all that is needed
[08:29] <fabbione> benh: that's why i was pushing you some patches the other day :)
[08:30] <benh> but maybe not for ppc32 ...
[08:30] <benh> did you build with CONFIG_PPC_SMU ?
[08:30] <benh> I doubt that works for a pppc32
[08:30] <fabbione> benh: if it needs the SMU? chipset no...
[08:30] <benh> ppc32 kernel I mean
[08:30] <benh> well
[08:30] <benh> it will work without SMU
[08:30] <fabbione> benh: it doesn't build on ppc32
[08:30] <benh> but will have no real time clock
[08:30] <benh> but that should be ok for the install, I will put a 64 bits kernel anyway
[08:30] <benh> after install
[08:30] <fabbione> i think we talked about it on #debian-kernel
[08:30] <Tomcat_> ficusplanet: That is indeed odd.
[08:30] <benh> well, yes, but at least, it should detect the network and hard disk properly
[08:31] <ficusplanet> Tomcat_, Yeah.  They didn't change it at all.
[08:31] <benh> however, if will try to download appropriate module from the network archive right ?
[08:31] <benh> and that will fail ....
[08:31] <benh> I mean
[08:31] <benh> I can build a kernel here that boots that imac
[08:31] <benh> but the installer will be upset no ? will it still work if the kernel has all necessary drivers built-in ?
[08:31] <Tomcat_> ficusplanet: I was skeptical because when you partition a circle into three parts, of course the sizes will be the same... but they didn't even change the positions... that's really odd.
[08:31] <fabbione> benh: it should
[08:32] <fabbione> benh: i never had the need to do that.. ENOPPC here.. but if you want to donate one.. i won't mind :P
[08:32] <ficusplanet> Tomcat_, Yeah.  I guess some designer at MS got lazy. ;)
[08:32] <benh> :)
[08:32] <Tomcat_> ficusplanet: "Let's see what those open-source guys got for me today..." :o
[08:33] <fabbione> oh benh..
[08:34] <fabbione> does that imac have the mv63xx eth?
[08:34] <fabbione> like the pegasos?
[08:34] <zafle> hey
[08:35] <Xgates> you know with Xine I get a feeling that the Ubuntu team didnt compile it properly, because it will run fine on my box BUT Xine is for i686 compile only
[08:35] <Xgates> and should be compiled for match=i686 mcpu=i686 only
[08:35] <Xgates> match/marc=
[08:35] <Xgates> errrr
[08:35] <benh> fabbione: no, no apple have that
[08:36] <Xgates> march= I mean
[08:36] <Xgates> hehe
[08:36] <fabbione> ok
[08:36] <benh> fabbione: btw, does the installer still require devfs shit ?
[08:36] <Fazer> anyone here uses PCMCIA wlan card?
[08:36] <bobi> I started using gnu/linux on a mandrake 9.2 -nice to come from MSwin- , then tried debian/gentoo/fedora alternatively.I currently run fedora3 and I have a sarge in a second disk for testing.I use my pc for desktop/multimedia, and I read rms considers ututo as the only free software based distro.As I agree with the fsf philosophy, is fedora a good choice or should I turn to ubuntu, or debian ?
[08:36] <Xgates> anyhow I'm compiling it now, will be interesting to see how well my compile .deb pack is
[08:36] <fabbione> benh: for hoary yes. we are killing it for breezy
[08:36] <benh> damn
[08:37] <benh> I need to build devfs in that kernel... hrm... it was killed upstream no ?
[08:37] <_Prophecy_> whats the best X irc chat?
[08:37] <Xgates> hey BTW whats with hotplug if I disable it, at boot time I will get this message: --> *ror* Temporary name resolution failure
[08:37] <Xgates> I dont see what Ubuntu team with hotplug to effect name resolution
[08:37] <Xgates> hehe
[08:37] <fabbione> benh: it is still there.. it will be deprecated soon according to Documentation/feature-removal-schedule
[08:37] <Xgates> team did ......
[08:38] <shinobi8723> Anybody familiar with setting up Cups from the CLI?
[08:39] <robitaille> _Prophecy_,   I use "X-Chat"...probably not the best, but works fine for me
[08:39] <benh> fabbione: doesn't seem to be that unhappy with that ppc64 kernel of mine without devfs so far ...
[08:39] <Xgates> shinobi8723: it's not CLI you set it up in your browser --> http://localhost:631/
[08:40] <shinobi8723> Xgates:Well, if I do that (which I have) I get connection refused?
[08:40] <fabbione> benh: hmmm i might remember wrongly.. probably Kamion already switched to use udev
[08:40] <shinobi8723> Xgates:Why would that be?
[08:40] <benh> fabbione: yah, it complains it can't find the kernel modules but seem to proceed, yes, I saw it using udev at boot
[08:40] <fabbione> benh: the installer is his toy :)
[08:40] <Xgates> shinobi8723: sounds like you have a network issue
[08:40] <benh> it did some sed errors tho
[08:40] <benh> but still worked somewhat
[08:40] <benh> we'll see if installation works ...
[08:40] <Xgates> shinobi8723: is the cupsd running?
[08:41] <shinobi8723> Don't know
[08:41] <Xgates> shinobi8723: type ---> top
[08:41] <Xgates> and look :-)
[08:41] <shinobi8723> Xgates:I don't see it, but I know it's installed...
[08:42] <Xgates> shinobi8723: exit top type ---> q
[08:42] <Xgates> shinobi8723: type ---> ps -aux
[08:42] <shinobi8723> Still don't see it
[08:42] <shinobi8723> What could I type to get it running?
[08:43] <Fazer> anyone here uses PCMCIA wlan card?
[08:44] <Xgates> shinobi8723: well just incase it might of stopped type this to make sure its running
[08:44] <Xgates> shinobi8723: ---> /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[08:44] <Xgates> as ROOT
[08:44] <Xgates> sudo
[08:44] <robitaille> shinobi8723,   sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[08:44] <Xgates> gee didnt I just say that
[08:44] <Xgates> hehe :-)
[08:44] <robitaille> Xgates,  I didn't type quickly enough :)
[08:44] <Xgates> :-)
[08:45] <shinobi8723> Child exited with status 98!
[08:45] <shinobi8723> ?
[08:46] <Xgates> AHHH it feels sooo good to be compiling again
[08:46] <Xgates> I FEEL NORMAL
[08:46] <Xgates> WoOT
[08:46] <Xgates> shinobi8723: hmm
[08:46] <Xgates> shinobi8723: do this first --->  sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys stop
[08:46] <Xgates> maybe it was already running
[08:46] <Xgates> THEN
[08:46] <Xgates> do:
[08:47] <Xgates> shinobi8723: then next try to start it over --->   sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[08:47] <shinobi8723> failed
[08:47] <Xgates> what failed?
[08:47] <Xgates> stop?
[08:47] <shinobi8723> Yup
[08:47] <shinobi8723> I just get [FAIL] 
[08:47] <Xgates> k
[08:47] <Xgates> doesnt seem like its running
[08:48] <Xgates> shinobi8723: did you kill any services ?
[08:48] <Xgates> like use rcconf?
[08:48] <Xgates> not sure there is anything to kill it though
[08:48] <Xgates> shinobi8723: do this ---> cd /etc/init.d
[08:49] <shinobi8723> k
[08:49] <Xgates> shinobi8723: in there type --->  ls -l cupsys
[08:49] <Xgates> shinobi8723: PASTE the results
[08:49] <shinobi8723> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 660 2005-02-22 13:15 cups
[08:51] <Xgates> shinobi8723: cup OR -->  cupsys
[08:51] <Xgates> you on Hoary?
[08:51] <benh> fabbione: ok, it's installing stuffs now, seems to be happy cool
[08:51] <benh> fabbione: I remember debian used to shoke if not using exactly their kernel
[08:51] <benh> fabbione: either they fixed it or ubuntu fixed it, but I can use a random kernel and the installer will just compain it can't find modules, which is fine, and still proceed
[08:53] <Xgates> shinobi8723: ok well you trying to get this going in Arch linux then?
[08:53] <Fazer> WTF?
[08:53] <Fazer> Britney Spears is pregnant!?
[08:53] <digitaladdiction> lol I heard that on the radio today also like 4months along
[08:54] <robitaille> Fazer,  I think that's fit in the OT category for this channel :)
[08:54] <Fazer> Sorry
[08:54] <Xgates> WoOT
[08:54] <Xgates> now Xine-ui
[08:54] <Xgates> :-)
[08:54] <robitaille> unless she runs Ubuntu of course (you never know...)
[08:54] <Xgates> now thats a Xine pack Ubuntu can be proud of and done correct
[08:54] <rolfas> robitaille: Or got impregnated buy an ubuntu user. :)
[08:55] <fabbione> benh: cool.. we will need to fix the complains..
[08:55] <LiberalTugboat> hey hey hey
[08:55] <fabbione> benh: perhpas detecting the booting kernel and compare the version with the one that d-i use to build and at least warn the user about the situation, but shut up the errors
[08:56] <LiberalTugboat> Ubuntu looks GREAT on my brand new DELL 1905FP LCD
[08:56] <ryman|> cool
[08:56] <Xgates> SHEESH I have to name the pack i386
[08:56] <Xgates> LOL
[08:56] <Xgates> thats stupid
[08:56] <Xgates>  package architecture (i686) does not match system (i386)
[08:56] <Xgates> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:56] <Xgates> hehe
[08:57] <shinobi8723> Xgates:Any ideas?
[08:57] <LiberalTugboat> all I had to do when I hooked it up was sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and Recongnized all the right values :)
[08:57] <Raskall> how does this channel work? Do I have to introduce myself or something, is there a faq, etc.
[08:57] <LiberalTugboat> UT 2k4 looks freaking great on it
[08:57] <robitaille> Raskall,  that was a good enough intro :)
[08:58] <Raskall> robitaille: :)
[08:59] <Xgates> shinobi8723: cd /etc/init.d
[09:00] <Xgates> shinobi8723: type --> ls
[09:00] <Xgates> and tell me the name for cups in it?
[09:00] <shinobi8723> Yes
[09:00] <shinobi8723> cups
[09:00] <Raskall> robitaille: I've used ubuntu for 2-3 months now and has finally found a distro that is just what I want. So I figured I'd find an ubuntu related channel to hang on. :)
[09:00] <LiberalTugboat> Anyone else have the problem with not having controls for the Mplayer-pluggin?
[09:00] <Xgates> OH boy NOW Ubuntu is happy
[09:01] <robitaille> Raskall,  that's the one. And depending which country you are from, there are some reginal channels as well
[09:01] <Xgates> shinobi8723: ok if your are not on Ubuntu then as ROOT on Arch to start it type ---> /etc/init.d/cups start
[09:01] <Raskall> robitaille: I'm Norwegian. is the channel #ubuntu.no or something?
[09:01] <Fazer> mmm
[09:02] <shinobi8723> [root@shinobi rc.d] # /etc/rc.d/cups start
[09:02] <shinobi8723> :: Starting CUPS Daemon                                                                    [BUSY]  cupsd: Child exited with status 98!
[09:02] <shinobi8723>                                                                                            [FAIL] 
[09:02] <dwadeer> hello anyone speaks polish here
[09:02] <robitaille> Raskall,  yes according to this web page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamList
[09:02] <dwadeer> or anyone from poland
[09:02] <dwadeer> ?
[09:03] <Raskall> robitaille: mm. but there was only one person there. But it's early here, so There might be more activity later.
[09:03] <Xgates> shinobi8723: run it then as --> stop first THEN start next
[09:03] <Xgates> cups stop
[09:03] <Xgates> cups start
[09:03] <Xgates> ....
[09:03] <dwadeer> i have a question about free shipping
[09:03] <shinobi8723> cups stop just brings up [fail] 
[09:03] <LiberalTugboat> dwadeer, yeah?
[09:03] <LiberalTugboat> for the CDS?
[09:04] <dwadeer> i've read on wiki that the shipping to some countries is'nt really fre
[09:04] <dwadeer> free
[09:04] <LiberalTugboat> yeah it is
[09:04] <dwadeer> i wonder if it's free to poland
[09:04] <LiberalTugboat> they come from Africa
[09:04] <dwadeer> so i can be sure that i won't have to pay
[09:04] <LiberalTugboat> or something
[09:04] <Xgates> shinobi8723: ok I dont know something seems like its broke, sorry not sure
[09:04] <LiberalTugboat> and we get em in the US
[09:04] <dwadeer> ok
[09:05] <LiberalTugboat> just sign up on shipit
[09:05] <LiberalTugboat> it doesnt ask for any info beyound address
[09:05] <LiberalTugboat> so they can bill you
[09:05] <shinobi8723> Xgates:Thanks anyway!
[09:05] <dwadeer> right
[09:05] <LiberalTugboat> some countries might have to pay like an import tax or something
[09:05] <LiberalTugboat> but Im not sure
[09:06] <dwadeer> ok i see but i wanted 20 pieces so it's not so much i think
[09:06] <robitaille> LiberalTugboat,   the CDs were shipped from the Neederlands
[09:06] <LiberalTugboat> I got 20 cds when warty came out
[09:06] <LiberalTugboat> it just takes a long time to get the CDs
[09:07] <gorilla_> Some countries want to apply an import duty but then can't work out what to charge per cd... the best thing to do is to ask customs/the post office first if you have some funny law regarding importing cd-roms.
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> are you needing a cd to install from?
[09:07] <dwadeer> ok, next question - if i'm not connected to the internet is it possible to download some parts of ubuntu that are not on install-cd, and install it from hard disk ?
[09:07] <robitaille> dwadeer,   why don't you go ask in  #ubuntu.pl   maybe someone in that channel must have received CDs in Poland the last time around
[09:08] <robitaille> dwadeer,  yes
[09:08] <dwadeer> wel i dodn't know there is such a channell thanks :)
[09:08] <Raskall> dwadeer: the apt-get man page tells you how to just download instead of install
[09:08] <rayofash> yo
[09:08] <robitaille> dwadeer,   the CD only contains one part of Ubuntu.
[09:08] <dwadeer> ok thanks now i know what i wanted to :)
[09:08] <rayofash> im stuck in 640x480
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> anyone else pick up the latest linux pro magazine? it has a dvd or Hoary on it
[09:08] <rayofash> i went into xorg.confg and saw all the resolutions listed
[09:09] <rayofash> but i cant select above or below 640x480
[09:09] <AndyR> if you are in eu and the cd's are sent from nl there "shouldnt" be a import charge
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> rayofash, in CLI
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> sudo dpkgreconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:09] <robitaille> dwadeer, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamList  seems to list a Polish group
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:10] <Xgates> I get the feeling I  am not the only one with this rez 640x480 thing
[09:10] <LiberalTugboat> when you get to the part that lets you select resolutions select what ever you want
[09:10] <Xgates> Ubuntu seems to have issues with this
[09:10] <LiberalTugboat> Xgates, what 3d card?
[09:11] <rayofash> lots of people have the problem
[09:11] <LiberalTugboat> I havent had this problem on my systems
[09:11] <rayofash> google it
[09:11] <Xgates> rayofash: I bet you'll need to run as sudo --> xorgconfig
[09:11] <rayofash> so far i havent found a fix
[09:11] <LiberalTugboat> or with the live cd
[09:11] <Raskall> Xgates: I have not had the problom on any of the 4 computers I installed on. The optimal resolution was used automatically.
[09:11] <Xgates> LiberalTugboat: Nvidia GeforceFX5200
[09:11] <rayofash> i just tried what Liberal said, and it said it didnt recognise the command
[09:11] <LiberalTugboat> hmm
[09:11] <rayofash> i have the same card
[09:11] <rayofash> as xgates
[09:12] <LiberalTugboat> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:12] <Xgates> rayofash: and it ran just fine on Slackware then the sec I get on Ubuntu this happens so I know there is some issue with Ubuntu on this
[09:12] <Xgates> and I have seen other ppl having this problem too
[09:12] <rayofash> Slackware didnt work at all for me
[09:12] <LiberalTugboat> might be the open source Nvidia driver
[09:12] <Xgates> LOL
[09:12] <Xgates> Slackware takes long time
[09:12] <duken> sudo: make-kpkg: command not found  <-- whats packets must to be install ?
[09:12] <LiberalTugboat> Xgates, do you have the nvidia driver loaded?
[09:12] <Xgates> Slack is easy for me
[09:12] <Xgates> :-)
[09:12] <Xgates> LiberalTugboat: yes
[09:13] <HeMan> Horay! My life got meaning again!
[09:13] <rayofash> Slackware gave me xserver errors
[09:13] <Xgates> LiberalTugboat: Im running it just fine under --> xorgconfig
[09:13] <rayofash> I hate x-server errors
[09:13] <Xgates> :-)
[09:13] <nuge> duken, kernel-package i think
[09:13] <HeMan> I can dselect!
[09:13] <LiberalTugboat> duken, you need build-essentials
[09:14] <LiberalTugboat> thats has all the make stuff in it
[09:14] <rayofash> wtf
[09:14] <rayofash> it wants me to give it the bus id
[09:14] <rayofash> i dont know the bus id!!
[09:14] <topyli> HeMan: congratulations, i don't many people who can use dselect :)
[09:14] <LiberalTugboat> Xgates, are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:15] <HeMan> and breezy is "out" so there finally is something to dselect!
[09:15] <Xgates> Ubuntu
[09:15] <rayofash> wtf? amount of memory in KB to be used by the video card!?
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> have you tried a live CD?
[09:15] <nuge> duken, go to packages.ubuntu.com, it will tell you that you need the 'kernel-package' pkg
[09:15] <HeMan> there where a great vacuum when hoary was released and nothing was updated
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> rayofash, you can skip it if you want
[09:15] <topyli> rayofash: lspci will give you the bus id
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> 128mb = 128000
[09:15] <nuge> heman, i hear ya
[09:15] <gorilla_> rayofash, don't gripe at it... I have used a video card that was 512kB...
[09:15] <nuge> i like it too
[09:16] <duken> nuge: thanks
[09:16] <nuge> np
[09:16] <topyli> good thing about dselect is, it always works :)
[09:17] <jesse> 128MB = 131072kb
[09:17] <LiberalTugboat> jesse, yeah if you want to be EXACT
[09:17] <topyli> when warty was released, #ubuntu had about 200 people on it. now there's 500 :)
[09:17] <gorilla_> yep.. jesse's figure sound about right :-)
[09:18] <jesse> i straighten pictures too
[09:18] <rayofash> do i have to restart for the changes to take effect?
[09:18] <LiberalTugboat> but youy probably lose some in the process
[09:18] <alka_trash> evolution is a lot better in hoary, I use to use thunderbird because is was lighter and I didn't like all the crap the came with evolution, I install evolution, to try it out and WOW!  I love hoary
[09:18] <LiberalTugboat> so if you could get an exact read out it would be less
[09:18] <rayofash> so, do I have to restart for the changes to take effect?
[09:18] <LiberalTugboat> evolution is a little too bloated for me
[09:19] <LiberalTugboat> rayofash, ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:19] <onno> I got a USB mp3 player. But ubuntu doesn't detect it. Or lets say it doesn't come on my desktop. How can I connect via commandline?
[09:19] <LiberalTugboat> thats will kill the xserver
[09:19] <gorilla_> rayofash, yes... if you reconfigure X then you must restart.
[09:19] <alka_trash> LiberalTugboat: I mostly agree, but I'm quickly getting use to the send nautilus integration  :)
[09:20] <alka_trash> and the new gnomebaker looks great too
[09:20] <LiberalTugboat> I like simple programs myself
[09:20] <LiberalTugboat> gnomebaker is the RULE!!
[09:20] <rayofash> didnt work
[09:20] <rayofash> still stuck at 640x480
[09:20] <ubuntu> woohoo, just booted into the livecd. sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[09:20] <LiberalTugboat> whats frequency?
[09:21] <rayofash> when I go into the "Change Resolution" thing the only option is 640x480
[09:21] <xukun> anybody here using dell inspiron 8200 laptop
[09:21] <rayofash> frequency?
[09:21] <xukun> ?
[09:21] <rayofash> I have no idea...
[09:21] <alka_trash> now if I could one find a some beagle debs  :/
[09:21] <rayofash> I would have to look at the back and right now thats really not an option.
[09:21] <LiberalTugboat> my heads gone... what Hrz
[09:21] <theine> Hi, I can't seem to build the newest ipw2100 driver (1.1.0) properly against the Ubuntu kernel source. Has anybody tried this?
[09:21] <rayofash> refresh rate is 60 Hrz
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> alka_trash, beagle isnt ready yet
[09:22] <rayofash> Hz*
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> rayofash, ouch
[09:22] <rayofash> Its also stuck at the 60Hz option
[09:22] <alka_trash> LiberalTugboat: I can hardly wait :D
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> suse made the mistake of putting it in 9.3
[09:22] <gorilla_> rayofash, ouch me eyes hurt just with the thought of it.
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> but it is still a resource hog
[09:22] <rayofash> Yes
[09:22] <rayofash> It is painfull.
[09:22] <onno> I got a USB mp3 player. But ubuntu doesn't detect it. Or lets say it doesn't come on my desktop. How can I connect via commandline?
[09:22] <Xgates> WoOT Xine is all compiled now
[09:23] <Xgates> --> xine-ui-0.99.3_0.99.3-1_i386.deb
[09:23] <pestilence> is there an open source alternative to vmware?
[09:23] <LiberalTugboat> my monitor is at 60 Hrz... (my dell 1905fp) :)
[09:23] <duken> where is the grub.conf ?
[09:23] <LiberalTugboat> onno what mp3 player?
[09:23] <pestilence> that would allow one to run windows on a virtual machine inside of linux?
[09:23] <gorilla_> duken, try /boot
[09:23] <revelater> hey everyone, how would i update my version of fluxbox to the most current through apt-get (i have warty)
[09:23] <onno> so mp3 usb stick player
[09:23] <rayofash> So yes I have tried re-configuring the x-server and it is still stuck at 640x480...
[09:23] <alka_trash> LiberalTugboat: I can see that, I notice that one has to mount it, I bet it's nice though
[09:23] <onno> minion
[09:23] <rayofash> And to think I used to run Win3.1 at this res.
[09:24] <pestilence> revelater: apt-get update && apt-get install fluxbox
[09:24] <benh> grrrr
[09:24] <HappyPills> wootage, fresh install of Hoary 5.04 works much better than an upgrade from warty
[09:24] <benh> Ubuntu is as fucked as Debian !
[09:24] <alka_trash> LiberalTugboat: I just found the joy of streamturner too, amazing
[09:24] <benh> they don't know about Canberra for time zones :)
[09:24] <benh> that sucks !
[09:24] <onno> LiberalTugboat, there is a way to go via command line but how?
[09:24] <LiberalTugboat> I have heard good things about streamturner
[09:24] <theine> benh, I fell your pain...
[09:24] <theine> *feel*
[09:25] <fabbione> benh: blame daniels :)
[09:25] <rayofash> Does Ubuntu come with a program to mount other partitions for me? I'm lazy :(
[09:25] <HappyPills> Canberra time zones... I think FreeBSD knows those
[09:25] <Remenic> where can I configure the governor? It's set to "performance" by default (on a battery powered laptop, lol)
[09:25] <benh> fabbione: will do :)
[09:25] <RexM|Asleep> http://www.migrantroo.com/microsoft-pirate-ubuntus-logo/ can it be true?
[09:25] <revelater> hey everyone, how would i update my version of fluxbox to the MOST CURRENT through apt-get (i have warty)
[09:25] <Remenic> I want to change it to "userspace"
[09:26] <LiberalTugboat> hmm not sure how to mount usb mp3 players
[09:26] <pestilence> rayofash: what's wrong with mount?
[09:26] <alka_trash> LiberalTugboat: it's everything that wanted rhythmbox  to do, but didn't. I sometimes wish projects would just merge
[09:26] <gorilla_> RexM|Asleep, very unlikely... I thought you were asleep :-)
[09:26] <rayofash> pestilence,  I dont know how to use it :p
[09:26] <fabbione> benh: /wind goto 4
[09:26] <fabbione> ops
[09:26] <duken> if i has been edit the grub, what do more ?
[09:26] <pestilence> revelater: what's wrong with what i suggested?
[09:27] <pestilence> rayofash: it's not so bad, really.
[09:27] <duken> if lilo, just run lilo
[09:27] <theine> fabbione, you don't happen to have a patch for the newest ipw2100 driver that applies properly to the ubuntu kernel sources at hand, have you?
[09:27] <revelater> pestilence: it still gives me version 1.14
[09:27] <duken> if grub? how ?
[09:27] <revelater> pestilence: current is 9.12
[09:27] <Xgates> well this really sucks even compiled Xine runs like CRAP
[09:27] <fabbione> theine: no, i am working on kernel for breezy.
[09:27] <pestilence> revelater: fdisk -l to get an idea of your partitions, then mount /dev/hd** /my/mount/point
[09:27] <Xgates> damm Ubuntu has to much BS running in the background still
[09:27] <Xgates> errr
[09:27] <fabbione> theine: that has the latest driver
[09:27] <rayofash> pestilence, its not that its bad, its that I dont know how to use it.
[09:27] <theine> fabbione, great
[09:28] <revelater> pestilence: wrong person.. :P
[09:28] <pestilence> revelater: well, you will only be able to update through apt-get to the most current in the repository
[09:28] <LiberalTugboat> Xgates, too much in the background? I guess you have never used SuSE or Mandrake
[09:28] <pestilence> revelater: perhaps upgrade to hoary.
[09:28] <LiberalTugboat> this is light compaired to the major commercial distros
[09:28] <revelater> pestilence: so i have to install it then....
[09:28] <revelater> how would i upgrade to hoary?
[09:28] <shock> anyone here running hoary on a powerbook g4?
[09:29] <Trucido> Hello.  I've got a problem with a recalcitrant package: gnome-system-manager.  Apparently, my cached version is corrupt, because it won't install.
[09:29] <pestilence> revelater: see the release notes
[09:29] <rayofash> Supposedly the live cd doesnt have this 640x480 bug
[09:29] <revelater> can i do it without a cd?
[09:29] <rayofash> will doing an update fix it?
[09:29] <pestilence> revelater: if you have a network connection, yes
[09:29] <revelater> cool
[09:29] <rayofash> whats the command for an update
[09:29] <gorilla_> revelater, you can upgrade over the network, without media :-)
[09:29] <rayofash> to make it update*
[09:29] <LiberalTugboat> rayofash, you could try booting the live CD then coping the xorg.conf file to your HD and see if that works...
[09:30] <Trucido> How do I tell the package manager to skip the cached version and download a new one, or do that manually?
[09:30] <pestilence> rayofash: to update: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:30] <jacquesmerde> whats the su password on the livecd????
[09:30] <Xgates> LiberalTugboat: yes used them both
[09:30] <pestilence> revelater: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/x11/fluxbox
[09:30] <pestilence> revelater: they have 0.9.11-1 in hoary
[09:31] <pestilence> jacquesmerde: there isn't one
[09:31] <pestilence> there really ought to be a faq with that answered someplace
[09:31] <pestilence> that gets asked about 10 times per hour here.
[09:31] <LiberalTugboat> NOO I missed the woot.com bag of crap AGAIN!
[09:31] <jacquesmerde> pestilence, so i just have to keep typing sudo at the beginning of each line? fiiiiiiiiiiiine
[09:32] <pestilence> jacquesmerde: sudo -s
[09:32] <jacquesmerde> pestilence, aahhhhhhhh. SWEET!
[09:32] <onno> does nobody know how to mount a usb stick via command line?
[09:33] <LiberalTugboat> jacquesmerde, you can type sudo -s
[09:33] <LiberalTugboat> that changes you to root
[09:33] <thenuke> onno: how about googling?
[09:33] <jacquesmerde> i like the brown
[09:34] <onno> good idea
[09:34] <pestilence> onno: you have to identify the device it is associated with, then "mount /dev/something /mountpoint"
[09:34] <Raskall> I want to contribute to ubuntu, but I am not a programmer. Any specific suggestions of what I can do? I am getting bored just being at home changing diaper, wiping gulp and watching bad soaps on tv.
[09:34] <pestilence> onno: you may have to modprobe some modules, but i find that ubuntu autoloads modules very well
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> Raskall, learn alot about it and hang out in here helping people
[09:34] <davegahan> can someone help me explaining how I can configure the Gnome application menu ?
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> Raskall, seed the torrents
[09:34] <Raskall> LiberalTugboat: well on my way there. :)
[09:35] <pestilence> onno: for mine, i need scsi_mod and usb_storage
[09:35] <pestilence> onno: then it appears in /dev/sda1
[09:35] <jacquesmerde> how come whenever i use ubuntu i have to manually shift my horiz. position right 6 clicks? it doesnt bother me, i'm just really curious
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> give disks to EVERY ONE even if they dont want one
[09:35] <Arnia> Raskall: Also, you can help out on things like marketing, PR, graphic design, documentation etc
[09:35] <Raskall> LiberalTugboat: but what do you meen by "seed the torrents"?
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> download the torrent files and let the run all the time
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> so people can DL from you
[09:35] <onno> ok thx
[09:35] <Arnia> Raskall: And if you ever want to learn a programming language, may I suggest python. Its really easy to pick up, even for non-programmers
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> helps the load on ubuntus servers
[09:35] <Raskall> Arnia: I have set up a terminal-server (freenx) at home and have given everyone I know access to it.
[09:36] <LiberalTugboat> contribute to the WIKI
[09:36] <Arnia> Smalltalk is another great language :)
[09:36] <Raskall> Arnia: I have learned both C, pascal and perl, but havent practiced any of it in >10 years
[09:36] <LiberalTugboat> SEND IN BUG REPORTS!!!!1
[09:36] <ups> Raskall: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[09:36] <Raskall> LiberalTugboat: its hard to find bugs. :)
[09:36] <aspro> #1 most needed thing in the free/open software world.. documentation!
[09:36] <aspro> :P
[09:36] <Arnia> If you know pascal and perl, even far in the past then python will be easy :)
[09:37] <LiberalTugboat> has every one here contributed to the Ubuntu device databse collection yet???
[09:37] <Raskall> ups: I'm there right now. And have done what the page asked me to: Joined #ubuntu
[09:37] <Raskall> ups: :)
[09:37] <davegahan> someone there to explain how to configure the gnome application menu ?
[09:37] <ups> Raskall: :-)
[09:37] <BlackLabel> has anyone installed splashy?
[09:37] <gorilla_> Arnia, you're game :-)
[09:37] <Arnia> She was a fortran programmer for a statistics quango, so she should be able to learn it
[09:37] <bob2> davegahan: it's not simple
[09:37] <bob2> davegahan: how much do you care?
[09:38] <ups> Raskall: you're on the right track then ;)
[09:38] <davegahan> i do care
[09:38] <davegahan> have a program called menu editor
[09:38] <Raskall> I have fiddled with linux since 1993 and think I have quite a bit to contribute with on this channel. But I want to be committed to a specific task to work on while I'm bored.
[09:38] <davegahan> but it does seem to have some bugs
[09:38] <Raskall> s/while/when/g
[09:39] <HappyPills> Connection idle - timing out in 30 seconds.
[09:39] <gorilla_> Raskall, you could re-package some bit of software that is missing in ubuntu or debain.
[09:39] <Arnia> Raskall: You could help me work out good UIs for semantic integration ;)
[09:39] <HappyPills> Connection timed out.
[09:40] <Raskall> gorilla_: hmm.. then I have to learn how to package things first. got a good howto or point to start?
[09:40] <BlackLabel> who cares
[09:40] <Raskall> Arnia: :)
[09:40] <gorilla_> Raskall, not off the top of my head.... anyone else have any ideas??
[09:41] <LiberalTugboat> specially those who are having sound/video type problems
[09:41] <Arnia> LiberalTugboat: Have already done so ;)
[09:41] <Raskall> hmm. I guess translations to norwegian is a good place to start.
[09:41] <ups> Raskall, gorilla_ : i have one, lemme lookup my bookmarks
[09:41] <davegahan> going to post my question on the forum
[09:41] <Arnia> I think I'm going to start work on an RDF backed software map and PAL (as live.gnome.org wants)
[09:42] <Arnia> Hey, building RDF reflections is now so easy its almost boring ;)
[09:42] <ups> Raskall, gorilla_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[09:42] <Raskall> Arnia: Maybe I should start breaking apart my planet to learn some python?
[09:43] <liraz> Hi. I have followed the tutorial for Hoary ClearType-like fonts but when editing my local .fonts.conf in the home directory the fonts just become way uglier
[09:43] <Raskall> ups: thanks. I've bookmarked it now. But I think I will start "easy" with finding something that needs translating.
[09:43] <kisielk> hm
[09:43] <gorilla_> ups: thanks for that :-)
[09:43] <kisielk> is there a package I can install that will pull all of gcc and related tools?
[09:44] <jacquesmerde> i can't find anything in the ubuntu wiki on setting up and using /dev/snd/seq....is anything there or should i look elsewhere?
[09:44] <LiberalTugboat> Raskall, you good at making webpages??
[09:44] <Arnia> Raskall: Python is cool :)
[09:44] <ups> Raskall: np, sure
[09:44] <kisielk> like a dev-* type package?
[09:44] <ups> gorilla_: np :)
[09:44] <Raskall> LiberalTugboat: nope.. suck. But I am very good at installing mysql/php-based CMSs
[09:44] <Arnia> Raskall: love the language
[09:44] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[09:44] <Raskall> LiberalTugboat: and applying themes
[09:44] <Raskall> Arnia: ok. I will give it a shot.
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> cause one thing that needs to be done, how to tutorials, with step by step screen shots
[09:45] <Arnia> btw, mikey is fixing the issues with the current skin's markup (basically making the skin work on a default plone 2 I think)
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> there is a guy who does this for mepis, and it is one of the most effective ways to help a beginner
[09:45] <Arnia> I'll keep everyone posted with how its going. Hey, we built that skin system, we should be able to make the best skin there is ;)
[09:46] <kisielk> ah, build-essential
[09:46] <xf_> hi there, i'm trying to install hoary onto an external usb drive on a powerbook, it's not working (yaboot fails saying it can't find usb-storage) - is this supported?
[09:46] <bob2> kisielk: right.  that's only the basics, tho, you'll need other -dev packages to compile anything with dependencies
[09:47] <LiberalTugboat> http://www.mepislovers.com/guide/  someone with extra time should do something like this for ubuntu
[09:47] <kisielk> bob2: hm ok, I think Qt is fairly self-contained..
[09:47] <bob2> kisielk: you're compiling qt itself?
[09:47] <kisielk> bob2: that's right
[09:47] <Raskall> Arnia: you're mean. I have diabetes.. *druel*
[09:47] <bob2> kisielk: how come?
[09:48] <kisielk> bob2: qt4 beta2
[09:48] <bob2> ah
[09:48] <gorilla_> LiberalTugboat, just be glad you have one.. :-/
[09:48] <promethe> I've just installed celestia, and it's using theme which looks just like Plastik... Is there any way to change this theme and fonts without using kcontrol? qtconfig says then there aren't any plastik, etc. in system
[09:48] <Arnia> Raskall: So do I :)
[09:48] <kisielk> bob2: for development purposes :)
[09:48] <LiberalTugboat> I spen 8 hours a day dealling with windows users (I use the turm user VERY lightly)
[09:48] <Raskall> Arnia: luckily its a mild kind, so I don't take any meds.
[09:48] <LiberalTugboat> more like windows breakers
[09:49] <Arnia> Raskall: Bah... I'm type I, since I was five :(
[09:49] <rayofash> hmm, somebody was able to get his out of 640x480 by stopping the x-server.. i think
[09:49] <gorilla_> eww... dozer support :-( you win...
[09:49] <rayofash> somebody else noted that having multiple SubSection "Displays" would cause a problem.
[09:49] <rayofash> But it wont let me edit my xorg.conf file
[09:50] <rayofash> Which is strange because I am the admin.
[09:50] <Raskall> Arnia: 2 bad. I dread the day I will start needing meds. Trying my best to keep exercising and eating right.
[09:50] <saik0> LiberalTugboat, I was'nt aware you could do anyting else with the OS
[09:50] <LiberalTugboat> rayofash, you need to use sudo
[09:50] <ups> how many other channels have 500+ users on freenode? :)
[09:51] <bob2> ups: more than a few
[09:51] <Arnia> Raskall: Yeah... well, the 'advantage' of type one is that you don't need to go on a special diet. Eating healthy is good enough. The disadvantage is that I have to inject four times a day
[09:51] <bob2> rayofash: sudo nano /etc/whatever
[09:51] <LiberalTugboat> saik0, windows has LOTS of things to do, scan for virus, scan for spyware, defrag, checkdsk, update norton, umm use word pad?
[09:51] <alka_trash> LiberalTugboat: time is money, in my mind and that crap takes time
[09:52] <cert> hei people anyone know how to get the S
[09:52] <LiberalTugboat> yeah, the shop I work for makes alot of money from it
[09:52] <LiberalTugboat> at 60 bucks an hour
[09:52] <cert> hei people anyone know how to get the built-in SD card in HP pavilliion zt3000 to work yet?
[09:52] <cert> been searching the forums
[09:52] <Raskall> Arnia: yup. My sister is so happy she has type 1 because then she can eat all the chocolate, drink all the soda and eat everything she wants. I roll my eyes every time she says that.
[09:52] <cert> but no luck
[09:52] <saik0> LiberalTugboat, no i meant besides break it
[09:52] <bob2> the forums would be a terrible place to try
[09:52] <bob2> use google, it would have come up on one of the kernel lists if support as added recently
[09:53] <alka_trash> LiberalTugboat: yep, very rarely included in a cost comparison, usually it all about linux training and who going to support it
[09:53] <LiberalTugboat> umm you can... umm change the background
[09:53] <davegahan> how to adjust font size in the menu's of skype and scribus - they look so ugly
[09:53] <saik0> then again you can break linux quite easily too. but when you do you get to keep all the peices
[09:53] <alka_trash> davegahan: use qtconfig, works like a charm
[09:53] <Raskall> Arnia: she doesn't connect that attitude to the fact that she already, at an age of 38, has amputated 3 toes.
[09:54] <gorilla_> saik0, but you are more likely to see where the pieces fitted together so can fix it quicker.
[09:54] <davegahan> where do i find qtconfig ?
[09:54] <davegahan> on repository ?
[09:54] <alka_trash> apt-get install qtconfig  :0
[09:54] <Raskall> hmm.. I have gotten som experience with freenx. Maybe I should try to get that to work with gnome and repackage things to an ubuntu package?
[09:54] <alka_trash> I meant :)
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> damn.. I should probably get to bed
[09:54] <davegahan> thanks
[09:55] <Arnia> Raskall: Ouch... well, I thankfully don't have a sweet tooth. So I drink diet drinks, eat savoury rather than sweet things and when I do have chocolate I infinitely prefer the darkest chocolate :)
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> so I can wake up and deal with windows users again
[09:55] <rayofash> didnt work
[09:55] <rayofash> ugh
[09:55] <cert> anyone face the same problem as i do?
[09:55] <alka_trash> anyone want to work on making a ubuntu gamer site with me?
[09:55] <rayofash> I didnt know games existed for Linux 0.o
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> alka_trash, ubuntu is my gaming platform!!
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> WHAT!!!
[09:55] <rayofash> Other then Solitare 0.o
[09:55] <alka_trash> I think it would be great to have a site just for gaming with ubuntu
[09:55] <Raskall> Arnia: I try to force myself to like dark chocolate, since I need to lose a lot of weight. But milk chocolate is the only chocolate I like.
[09:56] <rayofash> I wouldnt know though I cant get out of 640x480
[09:56] <thesamet> any one here have experience in upgrading to breezy?
[09:56] <Raskall> Arnia: I don't like the bitterness of dark.
[09:56] <alka_trash> debs, reviews, everything
[09:56] <rayofash> Ill try downgrading to Boary or somthing...
[09:56] <Raskall> rayofash: are you sure you have the right drivers/modules for your card?
[09:56] <rayofash> I dont know
[09:56] <bob2> thesamet: if you have to ask, don't do it right now
[09:56] <rayofash> It detects it correctly.
[09:56] <alka_trash> I would really make ubuntu and linux take off more
[09:56] <alka_trash> it would
[09:56] <LiberalTugboat> I had to install Unreal Tourny 2k4 twice because the first time I isntalled it as sudo
[09:57] <rayofash> I dont know how to upgrade video drivers on Linux
[09:57] <LiberalTugboat> alka_trash, do you use cedega?
[09:57] <alka_trash> yep
[09:57] <bob2> rayofash: if X wasn't setup correctly automatically, please file a bug including the output of 'dmesg', 'lsmod', 'lspci' and 'lspci -n', as well as your X log.
[09:57] <LiberalTugboat> do you pay for cedega?
[09:57] <Raskall> rayofash: what graphic card do you have? it might be as simple as a apt-get operation.
[09:57] <rayofash> GeForce FX 5200
[09:57] <Arnia> Raskall: Ah, I like bittersweet things. I eat lemon rind and drink bitter. My brother is the same.
[09:58] <rayofash> bob2, I would i'f I knew how
[09:58] <alka_trash> I paid for a while back and stopped my subscription, so it's a little older
[09:58] <ice_1963> gnomrbaker is better then k3b =)
[09:58] <bob2> rayofash: bugzilla.ubunut.com
[09:58] <bob2> er, spelt correctly, of course
[09:58] <Raskall> Arnia: lucky you. :) I would like to eat 100 grams of chocolate a day for my health and diets sake. :)
[09:58] <alka_trash> I'm considering paying for it again for HL2
[09:58] <LiberalTugboat> point to play is the greatest thing ever
[09:58] <ajmitch> thesamet: why would you want to upgrade to breezy?
[09:58] <LiberalTugboat> point2play
[09:58] <alka_trash> Yep I though it was great
[09:59] <rayofash> Raskall, GeForce FX 5200
[09:59] <LiberalTugboat> when I used windows I always wanted a program that would manage all my games
[09:59] <LiberalTugboat> and when I moved to linux, there it was
[09:59] <alka_trash> yep
[09:59] <alka_trash> nice
[09:59] <LiberalTugboat> ready to manage my windows games
[09:59] <alka_trash> he he
[10:00] <LiberalTugboat> except for Doom3 and UT 2k4
[10:00] <kisielk> ah
[10:00] <kisielk> x11 development packages
[10:00] <kisielk> that's what I need
[10:00] <Arnia> Raskall: my favourite snack though is a nice cheese (a mature cheddar usually unless I can afford to splash out) with a selection of chutneys and pickles on digestive biscuits :)
[10:00] <rayofash> How would I use apt-get to upgrade my video drivers?
[10:00] <kisielk> anyone know off hand what they're called?
[10:00] <LiberalTugboat> rayofash, sudo apt-get nvidia-glx
[10:00] <alka_trash> yep
[10:01] <LiberalTugboat> then type sudo nvidia-config-enable
[10:01] <bob2> rayofash: please file the bug so it can be fixed, even if you do find a workaround
[10:01] <Raskall> rayofash: try looking in the restricted repo. there are binary drivers from hardware producers there.
[10:01] <LiberalTugboat> then ctlr+alt+backspace
[10:01] <LiberalTugboat> forget that... just reboot
[10:01] <rayofash> E: Invalid operation nvidia-glx
[10:02] <Raskall> rayofash: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:02] <LiberalTugboat> thank you raskall
[10:02] <alka_trash> kisielk: then after that do a  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:02] <cert> anyone ?? SD card reader problem
[10:02] <kisielk> alka_trash: I think you meant someone else ;)
[10:02] <cert> i tried running dmesg
[10:02] <Raskall> LiberalTugboat: sissy. ;)
[10:02] <LiberalTugboat> im to lazy to type
[10:02] <cert> but nothing appears when i inserted the SD card into the card reader
[10:02] <alka_trash> kisielk: oops, thanks
[10:03] <LiberalTugboat> if I wanted to type everything then I would use slackware
[10:03] <LiberalTugboat> I use ubuntu so I dont have to waste my life away with need less CLI stuff
[10:03] <Raskall> LiberalTugboat: I recommend synaptic to every debian(ish) users I know, but am to familiar with apt-get, so I can't get comfy with a gui.
[10:04] <Raskall> LiberalTugboat: I do a lot via ssh from man wifi-enabled palm, so cli-stuff is really necessary to know.
[10:04] <promethe> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=133293#post133293 <- could anyone help me?
[10:04] <nuge> once you know cli you become too lazy to use a gui
[10:04] <nuge> the mouse is so tiresome
[10:04] <foreach> heh, nuge
[10:04] <rayofash> still didnt work
[10:05] <rayofash> oh well, ill try again in the morning.
[10:05] <alka_trash> nuge: too funny
[10:05] <djp> trying to run a cron job but get the message in my mbox saying "/bin/sh: /home/username/bashpodder/bashpodder.shell: Permission denied". Can anyone help?
[10:05] <rayofash> thanks for youre guys help.
[10:05] <rayofash> lataz
[10:05] <bestadvocate> hey everyone I have a problem getting Mplayer to zoom, anyone know how to get it to?
[10:05] <nuge> i'm being completely serious heh
[10:05] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I know a good amount of CLI stuff
[10:05] <promethe> How can I add flag to linker command line?
[10:05] <bwb> scott: does anyone know how importan CAS is for ram?
[10:05] <LiberalTugboat> I do half and half
[10:05] <alka_trash> I don't know that I would do in CLI if my tabb key was broken
[10:05] <bwb> whoops
[10:05] <Raskall> Ahh.. finally. The baby strapped to my chest has fallen asleep.
[10:06] <bwb> OT
[10:06] <bwb> hrm
[10:06] <gorilla_> nuge: yep.. who needs a WIMP anyway: Windows, Icons and Mouse Pointers :-)
[10:06] <bwb> weird bitchx completion
[10:06] <LiberalTugboat> bwb are you a hardcore overclocker?
[10:06] <desrt> does anyone know the difference between "inline" and "quoted" evolution forward methods?
[10:06] <Raskall> Now I don't get "help" with everything I type. :)
[10:06] <bwb> s/scott/OT/ :)
[10:06] <promethe> How can I add flag to linker command line?
[10:06] <nuge> alka_trash, exactly.  in fact i'm going to be looking at zsh for it's advanced tab completion
[10:06] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: no
[10:06] <nuge> gorilla_: :>
[10:06] <LiberalTugboat> then it isnt important
[10:06] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: see just found a deal for pc3200 for $20 per stick
[10:06] <bwb> for 512MB
[10:06] <LiberalTugboat> what brand?
[10:07] <bwb> PNY
[10:07] <LiberalTugboat> yeah thats ok stuff
[10:07] <bwb> i haven't heard of them before but...
[10:07] <LiberalTugboat> buy it
[10:07] <bwb> hrm
[10:07] <alka_trash> nuge: hmm, that's any idea, a different CLI, good idea
[10:07] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: so you don't think double the price would be worth the decrease in latency?
[10:07] <Amaranth> you won't notice a difference
[10:08] <LiberalTugboat> bwb, unless you have a $2000 gaming machine that is overclocked to the max
[10:08] <bwb> guess it would be only good for really memory intensive applications
[10:08] <bwb> heh
[10:08] <LiberalTugboat> you will never notice
[10:08] <Amaranth> You wouldn't notice then, either.
[10:08] <benh> fabbione: ok, if the package download that happens after reboot is interrupteed
[10:08] <benh> fabbione: how do I restart it ?
[10:08] <alka_trash> nuge: it's funny this dude who is going to be building some linux boxes at work doesn't know that much about Linux, I can hardly wait to see his Redhat servers with gui all over the F
[10:09] <Amaranth> benh: You mean from the install?
[10:09] <fabbione> benh: just a sec...
[10:09] <LiberalTugboat> Amaranth, sure you would, when you run you synthetic tests to prove you 1337 overclock
[10:09] <Raskall> what is the policy of idling here. Should I leave the channel when I am not by the computer?
[10:09] <Amaranth> LiberalTugboat: You wouldn't notice a real world difference.
[10:09] <benh> Amaranth: well, the install from initrd worked, it rebooted
[10:09] <Amaranth> Raskall: I haven't left this channel in days. :)
[10:09] <benh> Amaranth: and started downloading 150Mb or so of stuffs
[10:09] <LiberalTugboat> yeah thats what I am saying
[10:09] <benh> Amaranth: that got interrupted, how do I restart it ?
[10:09] <nuge> alka_trash, i love pretty guis, just can't stand things that are slow/cumbersome because of clicking etc, i like vim for editing files for instace
[10:09] <Amaranth> benh: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:09] <benh> that stuff doesn't seem to be in dselect list
[10:09] <Raskall> Amaranth: ok. :) Then I will just detach my screen as I'm used to.
[10:09] <djp> trying to run a cron job but get the message in my mbox saying "/bin/sh: /home/username/bashpodder/bashpodder.shell: Permission denied". Can anyone help?
[10:10] <benh> Amaranth: ok, is it possible to just restart the boot script ?
[10:10] <benh> Amaranth: in case it wnats to do other post-install things ?
[10:10] <fabbione> benh: 2 steps:
[10:10] <Amaranth> benh: If it was downloading packages already then there is no need.
[10:10] <bwb> hrm.. tho... I wonder....
[10:10] <benh> Amaranth: ok, thanks
[10:10] <bwb> I don't have a mobo yet to support that much ram
[10:10] <nuge> djp is bashpodder.shell +x ?
[10:10] <bwb> err to support that speed
[10:10] <fabbione> nah
[10:10] <fabbione> one
[10:10] <bwb> (running on a 1.5GHZ p4)
[10:10] <fabbione> run as root: base-config NEW
[10:10] <LiberalTugboat> bwbw are you running DDR?
[10:10] <alka_trash> yep, I agree - I like nano ( please no jokes )
[10:10] <Raskall> djp: show us "ls -l /home/username/bashpodder/bashpodder.shell"
[10:10] <LiberalTugboat> 2100?
[10:10] <bwb> i wonder how much the price will decrease by the time I upgrade cpu/mobo
[10:10] <benh> (I had to change network connection in between)
[10:11] <fabbione> benh: just rerun base-config NEW
[10:11] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: dunno, I think some 800mhz (quad ddr) thing that was specific to this p4
[10:11] <djp> Raskall: ok, hold on...
[10:11] <LiberalTugboat> ouch... rambus
[10:11] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: I'd upgrade my machine before using the memory
[10:11] <bwb> yah
[10:11] <LiberalTugboat> rdram sucks
[10:11] <fabbione> benh: bah sorry s/NEW/new
[10:11] <bwb> I could build an athlon machine pretty cheap I think
[10:11] <LiberalTugboat> its freaking expensive
[10:12] <mutek> Hello
[10:12] <alka_trash> base-config new!  damn I was looking for that all day, I was trying to do a dpkg-reconfigure -base-config  -  crazy
[10:12] <LiberalTugboat> I have build AMD machines for under 300 bucks
[10:12] <promethe> In which file compilers store flags?
[10:12] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: yah, which is why it will be a windows machine (for various eng/school software I need to run) while my desktop will remain linux
[10:12] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: yeah..
[10:12] <promethe> In which file compilers store flags?
[10:12] <djp> -rw-r--r--  1 david david 1139 2005-04-13 13:24 /home/david/bashpodder/bashpodder.shell
[10:12] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: hrm you mentioned oc'ing... it wouldn't have any negative effect on trying to oc if I have a multiplier unlocked cpu i don't think tho
[10:13] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: ie I was thinking of getting an athlon mobility and oc'ing it
[10:13] <Raskall> djp: ok. just "chmod a+x" on the file.
[10:13] <alka_trash> bwb: I did that from new egg
[10:13] <benh> Amaranth: that's weird
[10:13] <LiberalTugboat> bwb they are great for OCing if you have good cooling and the right mobo
[10:13] <benh> Amaranth: it seem to have lost all of the packages it already downloaded
[10:13] <DanglyBits> is openoffice 2 beta available for ubuntu?
[10:13] <djp> Raskall: on the bashpodder.shell file? ok... thanks
[10:13] <Raskall> djp: yup.
[10:13] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: yah hrm..
[10:13] <benh> Amaranth: and is restarting from the very beginning. There is only a couple in /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:13] <LiberalTugboat> the multiplier unlocked CPU is better for OC
[10:13] <benh> is that normal ?
[10:13] <bwb> LiberalTugboat, alka_trash: any recommendations on mobos for that?
[10:14] <alka_trash> LiberalTugboat: bwb: yep get a good heatsink too
[10:14] <LiberalTugboat> Abit NF7
[10:14] <Amaranth> benh: I dunno.
[10:14] <Raskall> djp: that command adds the execute-bit for owner, group and everyone on the file.
[10:14] <LiberalTugboat> NF7 Sg2
[10:14] <bwb> alka_trash: recommendations on heat sink?
[10:14] <benh> oh well, weird
[10:14] <Amaranth> bwb: Get a Pentium M machine. :)
[10:14] <alka_trash> bwb: I have a weakness for MSI motherboards
[10:14] <DanglyBits> is openoffice 2 beta available for ubuntu?
[10:14] <LiberalTugboat> dont give bad advice Amaranth
[10:14] <Amaranth> LiberalTugboat: How is that bad advice?
[10:15] <LiberalTugboat> DanglyBits, yeah it is in the repos
[10:15] <Amaranth> It's fast and cool.
[10:15] <Amaranth> it can run without a fan
[10:15] <LiberalTugboat> its expensive and limited
[10:15] <alka_trash> Amaranth: yeah but then no OC
[10:15] <bwb> Amaranth: heh
[10:15] <Amaranth> You can OC.
[10:15] <Amaranth> Just add a fan. :)
[10:15] <alka_trash> tur
[10:15] <bwb> DanglyBits: yeah
[10:15] <alka_trash> true
[10:15] <DanglyBits> liberaltugboat: sorry im a ubuntu noobie..which repo ?
[10:15] <LiberalTugboat> universe
[10:16] <bwb> man I still want to buy two 1280x1024 lcds 8)
[10:16] <djp> Raskall: thanks for the explanation and advice :)
[10:16] <Raskall> djp: np
[10:16] <DanglyBits> liberaltugboat:sorry again which file do i modify to access that repo?
[10:16] <LiberalTugboat> you can get an AMD xp mobile for like 90 bucks the pentium Ms start at like 150-200
[10:16] <alka_trash> bwb: that would be nice, I wonder if there are models very small frames ( less middle line )
[10:16] <LiberalTugboat> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:17] <DanglyBits> thanxs
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> and the XP mobile is faster
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> and can be used on any AMD mobo
[10:17] <alka_trash> 512 chache
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> the pentium M needs a certain mobo and they are very scarce and expensive
[10:18] <LiberalTugboat> bwb, my DELL 1905fp lcd came in the mail today
[10:18] <Amaranth> personally i want that dual core Pentium Extreme :)
[10:18] <bwb> LiberalTugboat: yah?
[10:18] <LiberalTugboat> i paid 324 shipped for it
[10:18] <LiberalTugboat> they are great!!!
[10:18] <bwb> nice
[10:18] <bwb> i saw on newegg $200 lcds
[10:18] <bwb> 1280x1024
[10:18] <bwb> 12ns delay
[10:19] <bwb> and 5 star reviews
[10:19] <bwb> so
[10:19] <alka_trash> AMD mobile, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-436&depa=0     good user reviews too
[10:19] <nuge> 12ns!??!?!
[10:19] <nuge> wow
[10:19] <nuge> :P
[10:19] <bwb> nuge: dunno how close that really is :P
[10:19] <bwb> to actual values
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> I dont beleive it
[10:19] <Amaranth> iirc the dual core pentium was the one that overclocked 30% and run at comparible temps to a single core one
[10:19] <nuge> i'm just kiddin cuz it should be 12ms :)
[10:19] <bwb> nuge: oh 8)
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> I want a ns LCD!!
[10:19] <bwb> nuge: yeah haven't bought hardware in a while 8)
[10:20] <nuge> 12ms is good though
[10:20] <mutek> Sorry, I've this:
[10:20] <mutek> dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file
[10:20] <mutek> what happen?
[10:21] <mutek> it appears under synaptic then apt-get install then dpkg -i
[10:21] <mutek> when I was installin rox-filer
[10:21] <LiberalTugboat> bwb, that proc with an Abit NF7 SG2 would be killer for OC
[10:22] <Raskall> I'm a matress. My dog sleeps on my feet, my daughter sleeps strapped to my chest and my parrot sleeps on my shoulder.
[10:22] <iamcool> hi
[10:22] <LiberalTugboat> and would only cost yeah ~170 bucks
[10:22] <iamcool> linux says it works on 386 but my gnome won't start and i have the rewuired 4 megs of ram :(
[10:22] <LiberalTugboat> if you want some good ram I buy PQI Turbo ram
[10:23] <LiberalTugboat> I have my DDR400 running stable at DDR420
[10:25] <LiberalTugboat> wow... errie silence
[10:25] <Raskall> I am not PC that I am running Pentium 4's. both on my server and laptop.
[10:25] <Raskall> I am SO not PC
[10:26] <LiberalTugboat> well I think Its time I say Nighty Night to you all
[10:26] <cyder> you are operating system not personal computer ?:)
[10:27] <serveradmin> hi
[10:27] <LiberalTugboat> g'night... Happy Ubuntu'ing (is that a word?)
[10:27] <duken> hi
[10:27] <duken> how to upgrade kernel from 2.6.10 (hoary) to 2.6.11 ?
[10:27] <LiberalTugboat> exit
[10:27] <cyder> apt-get ?
[10:27] <Raskall> duken: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11-1-architecture
[10:28] <duken> yes
[10:28] <nachtwind> is there someone who knows if it is possible (at best with a gui) to remotly shut down a Windows Workstation in a Domain hosted by a Samba PDC?
[10:28] <duken> Raskall: just that ?
[10:28] <int0x> hi, i installed ubuntu and can't update it or do anything to login as the privlaged user like root
[10:28] <Raskall> speaking of. I have tried upgrading to 2.6.11, but my computer freezes every time I boot.
[10:28] <cyder> must u reboot after u upgrade the kernel ?
[10:28] <Raskall> duken: yup.. subst architecture with your processor type.
[10:29] <Raskall> cyder: jup. that is one of the few things you need to reboot for.
[10:29] <ups> cyder: yes
[10:29] <int0x> Sorry, user dave may not run sudo on localhost.
[10:29] <Raskall> duken: do an "apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.11" to se the available architectures of the kernel-image.
[10:30] <DanglyBits> ubuntu noobie question..have loaded apache2...how do i start the server?
[10:30] <ups> int0x: you need to use the first user created during the install
[10:30] <bwb> hrm so $40.67 for 1gb ddr3200, worth it?
[10:30] <int0x> i cant login as that user
[10:30] <Raskall> DanglyBits: /etc/init.d/apache2 start (but it should be started already.
[10:30] <cyder> bwb: great deal:)
[10:31] <bwb> err $50.67 if you include shipping
[10:31] <cyder> but what is the manufacturer?
[10:31] <ups> int0x: why not?
[10:31] <bwb> pny
[10:31] <jtza8> Is it wise to add a debian repository to my sources.list file?
[10:31] <int0x> it says that user cannot login from that screen
[10:31] <cyder> bwb: cheap
[10:31] <int0x> (the main login screen)
[10:31] <bwb> cyder: cheap "brand" or cheap = good price?
[10:31] <scizzo> DanglyBits: /etc/init.d/ has the files that you can use to start things with
[10:31] <cert> hei people..
[10:31] <int0x> cuz im trying to mount my ntfs drives so i can read my media
[10:31] <cert> how do you configure the drivers used for your graphic card in ubuntu?
[10:32] <cert> i am using radeon 9200
[10:32] <Raskall> jtza8: for a specific operation, yes. I do that all the time, but remove or comment out the repo after installing what I need.
[10:32] <cert> but when i do a check it uses the 9000
[10:32] <cert> drivers
[10:32] <cyder> cert: the generic drivers are used
[10:32] <cyder> for 9XXX series
[10:32] <DanglyBits> scizzo: is there any kind of gui start stop program in kde or is it done by commandline?
[10:32] <Jimbob> cyder: Not fglrx?
[10:32] <cert> cyder : what do you mean by that?
[10:33] <int0x> if i use my password on the 'users and group' program it says 'failed to run users-admin: child terminated with 1 status'
[10:33] <cyder> DanglyBits: in gnome i think u can make a "shortcut" to a program
[10:33] <cyder> and there u can put the command line .. program --start / program --stop
[10:34] <int0x> jeeze, anyone??????? i dont see how the hell u can get trapped into a non super user account
[10:34] <DanglyBits> cyder: thought i would ask...fedora has a utility for starting/stopping servers
[10:34] <Jimbob> int0x: "gksudo users-admin"
[10:34] <Jimbob> int0x: Assuming your user is in /etc/sudoers
[10:34] <int0x> how do you get in there
[10:35] <cyder> mhmz.. i use slackware on my server.. i just received some ubuntu cd`s and i joined this chan to see what's happening here:)
[10:35] <cyder> but.. all the linux distro`s are the same:)
[10:35] <jtza8> Raskall: Thanks.
[10:35] <ups> DanglyBits: you mean for configuring automatic startup on boots?
[10:36] <cyder> rc.init
[10:36] <Jimbob> int0x: Is your user in /etc/sudoers?
[10:36] <ups> DanglyBits: or like the 'service' script?
[10:36] <int0x> jimbob: NO! i installed ubuntu, made a root user, and this user that i can login. now i cant do anything
[10:36] <cyder> or if u are so lazy, use webmin :)
[10:37] <Jimbob> int0x: 1.) Relax, you'll live longer :-)
[10:37] <cert> oh by the way... anyone know by any chance the software name for the mac docking system in gnome
[10:37] <cert> ??
[10:37] <int0x> 2.) put debian on my system so i can use root?
[10:37] <cert> :)
[10:37] <jtza8> int0x: Why not just do "sudo passwd?"
[10:37] <DanglyBits> i have set the sources.list to look at universe repos..using synaptic and reloaded and dont see openoffice 2 beta...what am i doing wrong?
[10:37] <duken> Raskall: after upgrade image-kernel must reboot ?
[10:38] <int0x> im not in the sudoers file!
[10:38] <cyder> cert: u'r debian see`s u'r graphic card as a generic 9000 one.. for 9200 u must use the 9200 drivers..
[10:38] <Jimbob> int0x: The user that was created when you installed ubuntu should be in sudoers.
[10:38] <int0x> its not
[10:38] <int0x> for some reason
[10:38] <jtza8> int0x: Well, it worked for me.
[10:38] <int0x> so is there any way to fix it
[10:39] <ups> int0x: did u change it? the installation puts one user there
[10:39] <Raskall> duken: yes.
[10:39] <Jimbob> int0x: Ok, so reboot into single-user mode and add your user to /etc/sudoers (the "root" line should work as a template)
[10:39] <int0x> ups: no, in the install i made 'root' the privlaged user, and dave the normal user
[10:39] <Jimbob> ups: Do you play bzflag at all?
[10:39] <snowblink> Jimbob, it's just the admin group
[10:39] <int0x> Jimbob: what is single-user mode
[10:40] <snowblink> int0x, what groups is your user in?
[10:40] <int0x> i tried logging in as root at the login screen but it said that user cannot login there
[10:40] <int0x> i dunno, but i know its NOT in the sudoers :P
[10:40] <holycow> two things
[10:40] <ups> Jimbob: nope
[10:40] <snowblink> int0x, type groups
[10:40] <holycow> nm
[10:40] <int0x> dave@ubuntu:~$ groups
[10:40] <int0x> dave adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[10:40] <spo0nman> to goto hoary from warty i need to change warty to hoary in source.list and do update up[grade ... thats all right?
[10:40] <ups> int0x: type su
[10:41] <int0x> what password? mine or 'roots'?
[10:41] <ups> int0x: and see if you can login as root
[10:41] <Jimbob> ups: The root account is disabled, "su" won't work.
[10:41] <ups> int0x: root password
[10:41] <Raskall> int0x: graphic login screen? You have to allow root to log in via gdm from the gdm setup (System->preferences->login screen setup)
[10:41] <ups> Jimbob: he said he made root the privilaged user
[10:41] <rj_> Does anyone know of where I can find a win32 port of ESD. I have serveral workstations that don't have soundcards compatiable with linux. I would like to run ESD on a Windows Computer and have all sound sent over the network to this machine, I know it's possiable with esound. I had a working win32 version at one point in time, but I lost it, and Google isnt helping me, perhaps I'am searching for the wrong se
[10:41] <rj_> arch string.
[10:41] <int0x> okay i'm root now
[10:41] <int0x> this is the only thing that worked
[10:41] <int0x> none of the other programs/links from the desktop worked
[10:41] <willouch> hi
[10:41] <ups> int0x: now edit the sudoers file to add 'dave' to it
[10:41] <willouch> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
[10:42] <int0x> ups: what is an easy editing program? im used to nano :P
[10:42] <snowblink> ups, he should just add himself to the admin group
[10:42] <duken> back
[10:42] <int0x> oh its here thanks
[10:42] <Jimbob> willouch: "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev"
[10:42] <duken> Raskall: after upgrade the kernel, must reboot ?
[10:42] <willouch> Jimbob: thks
[10:42] <int0x> so what should i type in the /etc/sudoers file?
[10:42] <Raskall> duken: I have already responded. Yes. you just reboot.
[10:43] <duken> sorry
[10:43] <Jimbob> int0x: There should be a line in there "root ALL=(ALL)" or something like that
[10:43] <int0x> yup
[10:43] <ups> int0x: other apps don't work because u modified the default behaviour, which is to use sudo instead ot root
[10:43] <duken> i'm disconnect
[10:43] <int0x> copy that with dave?
[10:43] <Jonex> If I sen for an Ubuntu CD from Shipit! Will it be sent over half the world then?
[10:43] <Jimbob> int0x: Yep
[10:43] <int0x> thanks
[10:43] <snowblink> int0x, would recommend you just add your user to the group admin. Are you even visudoing?
[10:43] <duken> i not see your say
[10:43] <Jimbob> snowblink: It doesn't matter if he's the only one on the system.
[10:43] <int0x> what is visudoing?
[10:44] <snowblink> int0x, how you should be editting that file
[10:44] <ups> int0x: use visudo for editing the file
[10:44] <Jimbob> int0x: "visudo" is a little app to safely edit the sudoers file.
[10:44] <int0x> is there anything i need to do since updating the /etc/sudoers file?
[10:44] <int0x> i cant use nano?
[10:44] <int0x> i already used nano
[10:44] <Jimbob> int0x: If you've already done it, that's fine.
[10:44] <int0x> i put in a tab where needed
[10:44] <smo> visudo should honor $EDITOR.  it's just a wrapped to provide some sanity checking before commiting your changes
[10:44] <Jimbob> int0x: "visudo" will use whatever editor you specify.
[10:45] <int0x> ahh
[10:45] <int0x> so how would i go about setting up a few ntfs paritions to be mounted on boot? is there a how-to page for that or something ?
[10:45] <ups> int0x: ubuntuguide.org
[10:46] <smo> I hope so .. that's asked almost as often as "where's root" ;)
[10:46] <int0x> can ntfs drives be written to?
[10:46] <Jimbob> int0x: No
[10:46] <snowblink> int0x, not safely
[10:46] <ups> int0x: i think not
[10:46] <int0x> okay, but reading is fine?
[10:46] <Jimbob> yep
[10:46] <int0x> i dont want to comprimise data
[10:46] <ups> int0x: yup
[10:47] <int0x> how do you list the /dev/hd things? devices?
[10:47] <Jonex> Where can I find a full list of included software on ther latest release? I only find a general description.
[10:47] <int0x> whoops sorry its all on this guide, nm. thanks for the help!!!
[10:48] <kakalto> you're welcome :P
[10:48] <kalis> Anyone else having problems installing apache and php in hoary?
[10:48] <snowblink> Jonex, dpkg -l?
[10:49] <kalis> after installation no mod's turn up in the mods-available folder
[10:49] <Jonex> snowblink: Doesn't work wery well when I'm deciding if it's worth the download... ;)
[10:49] <davegahan> still trying to find a way to configure the gnome application menu
[10:49] <snowblink> Jonex, don't understand what you're trying to do
[10:49] <davegahan> Gnome menu editor seems to be buggy
[10:50] <holycow> davegahan, it's brand new
[10:50] <Jimbob> snowblink: He appears to want "Packages" :-)
[10:50] <holycow> and its not supported
[10:50] <ups> kalis: search for apache2-mod in synaptic, maybe u need to install some?
[10:50] <Jonex> snowblink: I wan't to know wich pagages are on the Ubuntu install CD Before I download it.
[10:50] <holycow> i.e. it's expected to have bugs
[10:50] <Jonex> *pakages
[10:50] <Jonex> Is there a page listing them somewherE?
[10:50] <snowblink> Jonex, got ya. It should be on the website
[10:51] <davegahan> :) is there another way ?
[10:51] <davegahan> probably less elegant, but how can I configure the Gnome Apps Menu ?
[10:51] <HappyPills> What would I be doing wrong if Hoary keeps resetting my /dev/lp0 port so I can't print to it? I have to chmod it everytime I want to print something...
[10:52] <int0x> hi, is it possible to make my logitech mx510 use the side buttons and top buttons?
[10:53] <Jonex> snowblink: Yeah I thought so too, But I can't find it, only a general description.
[10:53] <Jimbob> Jonex: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.manifest <-- That's what's on the LiveCD.
[10:53] <Jimbob> Jonex: The install CD should have a little bit less than that.
[10:53] <snowblink> jonex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/package-list
[10:54] <yvano> hello :)
[10:54] <snowblink> Jonex, apparently it's not done yet.
[10:54] <yvano> anyone can tell me how to disable the load of the agpgart driver when I boot hoary please ?
[10:54] <Jimbob> yvano: Why do you need to disable agpgart?
[10:54] <int0x> what is a good media player that can handle movies of all sorts and all sorts of audio?
[10:54] <smo> Jonex: it's a bit raw, but the "ship" seed should contain the contents of the install CD ... http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/hoary/ship
[10:54] <Jimbob> int0x: Totem is pretty nice
[10:55] <snowblink> int0x, xine, vlc ...
[10:55] <yvano> Jimbob, some problem with the nvidia drivers here ... and I read that nvidia is better when agpgart is not loaded ...
[10:55] <scizzo> int0x: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:55] <ups> int0x: totem, vlc, mplayer... (totem is preinstalled)
[10:55] <int0x> does totem do audio?
[10:55] <int0x> the music player says it does not have a plugin for mp3s
[10:55] <ups> int0x: yes, but there's rhythmbox
[10:55] <snowblink> int0x, follow scizzo's link
[10:56] <yvano> gstreamer0.8-mad =)
[10:56] <scizzo> int0x: look at the link please
[10:56] <ups> int0x: on the guide...
[10:56] <yvano> Jimbob, any idea?
[10:56] <int0x> snowblink and everyone else: reading now :)
[10:57] <Jonex> smo, Jimbob, snowblink: thx.
[10:57] <Jimbob> yvano: Umm, you could add the relevant agp modules (intel_agp, intel_mch_agp, agpgart) to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, and they should not auto-load
[10:58] <mg> hi. i've had hoary installed on two computers for ages, both are up to date. on one a usb drive is automatically mounted; on the other i can see the kernel spotting it and the driver getting loaded but it's never mounted.
[10:58] <mg> any idea what to look for to find out what's different?
[10:58] <Jonex> Hmm, ther should be a "make your own dist"-kit so I would be able to choose the pakages I want. :/
[10:58] <Jimbob> yvano: "rmmod intel_mch_agp" ...(and repeated for the other modules) will remove them from the running kernel, then "rmmod nvidia" and "modprobe nvidia"
[10:58] <Jimbob> yvano: You must be out of X to do this, BTW.
[10:59] <yvano> Jimbob, yes I did it of course, but when I'll reboot, they will be autoloaded again
[10:59] <Jimbob> yvano: That's why you should add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:59] <yvano> okkkk thanks alot :)
[10:59] <Jimbob> yvano: Since (AFAIK) it's hotplug that's loading them.
[10:59] <int0x> umm, do i have to do all the things on this guide? like the marillat?
[11:00] <yvano> added :)
[11:00] <snowblink> mg, check your /etc/fstab
[11:00] <yvano> I reboot to test
[11:00] <ups> int0x: for mp3? nope
[11:00] <yvano> thanks for your support Jimbob
[11:00] <Jimbob> np
[11:00] <int0x> what is marillat for?
[11:00] <ups> int0x: all sorts of video stuff
[11:00] <snowblink> int0x, all the goodies
[11:01] <Jimbob> int0x: For MP3 playback, all you need to install is "gstreamer0.8-mad", from the universe repository
[11:01] <scizzo> int0x: I think that all the information you need is written on that page about RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <mg> snowblink: both look reasonable. entries for permanent disks as expected, nothing for pluggable devices.
[11:01] <scizzo> int0x: well most of it anyway
[11:01] <Jimbob> int0x: As per sec. 6.1 on the formats page.
[11:02] <mg> snowblink: i thought usb devices were mounted dynamically anyway?
[11:02] <snowblink> mg, they usually are when you plug them in
[11:03] <int0x> i dont see that package in synaptic even after i updated the repository. "gstreamer0.8-mad"
[11:03] <ups> int0x: do u have universe enabled?
[11:03] <mg> snowblink: hmm, ok. i can't plug the device into the machine that works right now. it's about 6 miles away and the cable is not /quite/ long enough ;-)
[11:03] <bob2> int0x: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:04] <Raskall> anyone tryed setting up freenx from the kanotix.org-repo here? I have and can only get it to work with kubuntu desktop. Gnome just won't start. It hangs, give no error messages and no log entries.
[11:04] <snowblink> mg, check the difference in loaded modules - these are all guesses BTW
[11:04] <int0x> okay, i think i messed up adding the things last time
[11:04] <mg> snowblink: np, i appreciate the help. ideas for things to look at is what i asked for anyway :)
[11:06] <int0x> so if i updated /etc/fstab with a ntfs partition it will mount it on bootup?
[11:06] <mg> snowblink: well, usb_storage is loaded on both machines which i think is the crucial module for mass storage.
[11:07] <zAo^> Raskall, you checked the permissions on ~ and /tmp ? I had that 2
[11:08] <snowblink> mg, check your logs when you plug it in
[11:08] <zAo^> int0x, yes. For now $ mount -a
[11:08] <jfk303> hile, how do I cd to a directory with a space in its name? cd Directory/ Name or something?
[11:08] <int0x> zAo^: thanks
[11:08] <zAo^> jfk303, "dir 1" will be "dir\ 1"
[11:08] <mg> snowblink: i see the device being recognized and it loads the modules. it just doesn't seem to be automounting.
[11:09] <zAo^> or just use TAB
[11:09] <snowblink> jfk303, or start with a double quote
[11:09] <jfk303> zao^ thanks
[11:09] <zAo^> np
[11:09] <Raskall> zAo^: nope. havent checked that.. but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be correct. hang on
[11:10] <ups> someone was looking for the package list: http://ubuntuguide.org/#findprogramslibrarieslistubuntu <-- if still looking
[11:10] <zAo^> Raskall, is it a clean install?
[11:10] <jinx``> hi
[11:10] <zAo^> lo
[11:11] <Raskall> zAo^: yes.
[11:11] <jinx``> is there a ftp client which supports more than one ftp "window" ?
[11:11] <mg> snowblink: also, i can mount it manually. (forgot to mention that bit, sorry)
[11:11] <bassMonkey> gftp?
[11:11] <zAo^> Raskall, well: there will be another reason then.
[11:11] <jinx``> does it support fxp ?
[11:12] <zAo^> no
[11:12] <zAo^> I dont think there is a GUI FXP client
[11:12] <jinx``> basically i just want to browse to ftp servers at the same time
[11:12] <zAo^> commandline it :)
[11:12] <jinx``> -to +two
[11:12] <Raskall> zAo^: but just in case. What under /tmp and $HOME should I check? It all seems to be in order.
[11:12] <zAo^> in gFTP you can
[11:12] <jinx``> really? thanks
[11:12] <bob2> does anyone outside the warez community actually use fxp, tho?
[11:13] <int0x> is there anything more 'user friendly' then 'music player'? I got like 15 gigs of mp3s and its kinda not nice to browse through all the songs in
[11:13] <bassMonkey> It works great for me, 65 gigs...
[11:13] <zAo^> Raskall, in $HOME you need to be the owner of almost everything. In /tmp you need to be the owner of gconfd-$USER
[11:13] <webtoe> it all depends what your cup of tea is when it comes to mp3 players
[11:13] <ups> int0x: once you make a playlist, it should be fine (i've got ~15Gigs myself)
[11:14] <zAo^> int0x, ntfs?
[11:14] <bob2> I quite like cplay
[11:14] <int0x> is there anything more like wmp10 or winamp5?
[11:14] <int0x> yes they are loading off a ntfs drive, but thats not really the problem. just not really a usable media player IMO for the library
[11:14] <zAo^> bob2, url?
[11:14] <bob2> zAo^: in the cplay package
[11:15] <zAo^> int0x, use amaroK
[11:15] <int0x> is xmms any better then 12 months ago?
[11:15] <bob2> int0x: xmms is quite like winamp used to be
[11:15] <int0x> cuz it was terrible then
[11:15] <bob2> "better"?
[11:15] <jonex> Id it possible to upgrade to latest Ubuntu without burning a CD?
[11:15] <bob2> int0x: in what way?
[11:15] <mg> beep is nicer than xmms, imho
[11:15] <bob2> jonex: sure, wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[11:15] <int0x> never really worked good for me
[11:15] <ups> int0x: xmms is a winamp clone, but i like vlc more
[11:15] <bob2> int0x: please do file bugs if you find problems
[11:16] <lok> xmms isn't really a clone
[11:16] <int0x> bob2: it was like a year ago I used it, if i notice anything I will do though
[11:16] <g3-cd2> can anyone send me their compileall.py ?
[11:16] <g3-cd2> mines buggered :(
[11:17] <lok> because it's the same team which create winamp who have make xmms
[11:17] <ups> lok: looks like it, but i dont really use it so maybe i don't know :)
[11:17] <bob2> lok: I'm pretty sure that's not the case
[11:17] <bob2> g3-cd2: what happened to it?
[11:17] <zyga> spo0nman: re
[11:17] <g3-cd2> it segfaults during package config
[11:18] <bob2> g3-cd2: you haven't touched it?
[11:18] <spo0nman> zyga: hmm suspend to disk works...
[11:18] <g3-cd2> no
[11:18] <bob2> g3-cd2: then why do you think copying it from someone else would help?
[11:18] <int0x> if i install a program does it automatically go in the start menu or launch menu/list thing?
[11:18] <spo0nman> zyga: on a compaqnc6000
[11:18] <spo0nman> zyga: let me check my acer and see
[11:18] <g3-cd2> bob2: i dunno, but got ne better ideas?
[11:18] <bob2> int0x: depends on the program
[11:18] <int0x> xmms, amarok
[11:18] <spo0nman> zyga: suspend to RAM does not work on either :(
[11:19] <zyga> spo0nman: I've tried that on my gericom and it ... well it blinked turned the screen off and went back up again
[11:19] <spo0nman> zyga: on suspend to RAM both just hang ... have to pull the battery out
[11:19] <webtoe> int0x: amarok goes into the menu
[11:19] <bob2> spo0nman: please file a bug
[11:20] <Raskall> zAo^: Tried creating a new user, but its still the same with freenx. Guess I will keep googling.
[11:20] <spo0nman> bob2:what log files do I need? /var/log/acpid will be enough.
[11:21] <bob2> spo0nman: and 'dmesg' and 'lsmod'
[11:21] <slask3n> doesnt ubuntu have any hardware detection?
[11:21] <spo0nman> slask3n: depends on your hardware...
[11:21] <bob2> sure
[11:22] <int0x> is .mov movies playable in ubuntu?
[11:22] <bob2> int0x: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:22] <spo0nman> bob2: the box went down had to reboot by pulling off the battery... will dmesg be useful?
[11:22] <bob2> spo0nman: to show what modules/hardware you have
[11:22] <spo0nman> bob2: oke.
[11:23] <holycow> anyone else having trouble installing hoary on amd64? mine keeps on saying openoffice is broken ... how do i *skip* oo.o?
[11:23] <slask3n> spo0nman: i just connected another ethernet card. but i cant see it get power or anything, usually the ethernet card have e little light that signalises that its connected with something, but the light is off...
[11:23] <bob2> holycow: is your cd ok?
[11:23] <holycow> good point, i shall check
[11:24] <webtoe> slask3n: this is going to sound really stupid, but is there a cable going into the ethernet card?
[11:24] <int0x> hummmmm
[11:24] <webtoe> you need to check whether the card is detected by typing ifconfig
[11:24] <slask3n> webtoe: LOL! of course, its connected to my xbox... but the light is off...
[11:24] <jonex> Is it possible to make al names and text be in english?
[11:25] <int0x> my sound stopped when i opened amarok same time sound player was open
[11:25] <triandafilos> need some help installing mplayer manually, it says that i need to do apt-get update.. have tried this to no avail can anyone assist?
[11:25] <g3-cd> anyone? compileall.py?
[11:25] <int0x> anyway to restart sound server or something? isnt there supposed to be a thing that lets more then one thing use the sound card at once? my sound card usually can play more then one media source at once
[11:25] <bob2> g3-cd: dude, that won't help
[11:25] <bob2> g3-cd: are you using hoary?
[11:25] <webtoe> slask3n: its just the light usually shows traffic, not whether there is power there (though your card could be different)
[11:25] <g3-cd> bob2: yes
[11:25] <bob2> webtoe: ifconfig won't show that
[11:25] <scizzo> int0x: that depends on the soundcard and the driver
[11:26] <int0x> so what should i do, reboot to get my sound working?
[11:26] <bob2> g3-cd: sudo apt-get --reinstall install python2.4-minimal
[11:26] <webtoe> slask3n: try typing ifconfig and see if there are the right number of ethernet cards there (eth0 eth1 etc)
[11:26] <bob2> int0x: "stopped working"?
[11:26] <bob2> triandafilos: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:26] <spo0nman> slask3n: do you know which card is it? as in manufacturer?
[11:26] <g3-cd> bob2: ok, will try
[11:26] <webtoe> slask3n: if there are then your card is detected fine and has power
[11:26] <bob2> triandafilos: have you followed those instructions?
[11:26] <g3-cd> but ive done apt-get remove python2.4 and apt-get install python2.4 a few times already
[11:26] <int0x> i was listening to music in music player, then opened amarok, and it said something else was using the sound so it will continue using null output. now nothing wont play though
[11:27] <jonex> How do I turn of localisation of language?
[11:27] <int0x> orr music player still works but xmms/amarok wont play mp3s
[11:27] <bob2> g3-cd: then copying it from someone else won't help at all
[11:27] <int0x> do they need plugins for each program?
[11:27] <webtoe> int0x: you need to install amarok plugins to use other sound backends such as gstreamer
[11:27] <bob2> int0x: yes, you need to configure them to use esd
[11:27] <triandafilos> i dont understand bob
[11:27] <bob2> triandafilos: did you read that web page?
[11:27] <slask3n> webtoe: ok, no there is just eth0 and lo... but the light shows if it is connected to something...
[11:27] <spo0nman> slask3n: also do dmesg|less and try to see if it was found...
[11:27] <g3-cd> bob2: ok :/ trying the --reinstall
[11:27] <triandafilos> i'll check it out
[11:28] <gen> man oh man oh man
[11:28] <webtoe> slask3n: and then try a lspci -v to check what chipset your ethernet card uses if spo0nman's thing shows it not being deteced
[11:29] <slask3n> spo0nman, webtoe: the ethernet ard is not showing in ifconfig but its displayed in dmesg...
[11:29] <webtoe> k you probably just need to set up ip adresses and bring the interface up
[11:29] <int0x> if a program isnt responding what do you do?
[11:29] <kakalto> g'nite
[11:29] <webtoe> you going to be using static ip addresses?
[11:29] <webtoe> int0x: xkill
[11:30] <slask3n> webtoe: how do I do that? im sorry but im a linux n00b
[11:30] <spo0nman> slask3n: then do a man ifcomfig and see how to configure it. there should be a example... something like ifconfig eth1 gatewayaddress ipaddress
[11:30] <thomas001> hi i bootstraped ubuntu from scratch,do to make a normal ubuntu desktop from it?
[11:30] <spo0nman> bob2: one bug for both lappies or seperate for each?
[11:30] <webtoe> slask3n: what sort of network have you got? and what are you trying to create?
[11:31] <slask3n> spo0nman: ok :) ill try that, and if i dont make it ill "terrorize" you some more :P thanks for the help :)
[11:31] <slask3n> webtoe: a ordinary connection between my PC and xbox...
[11:32] <lunitik> Other than that though, breezy has already gotten rid of my prior complaints, yay   :)
[11:33] <webtoe> slask3n: is the xbox going through your pc to get to the internet?
[11:33] <lunitik> s/complaints/complaint/ (pdf veiwer being xpdf  >:|)
[11:34] <lunitik> Now to get rid of eog   8)
[11:34] <bob2> spo0nman: one for each machine that doesn't work
[11:35] <slask3n> its not connected at all now, it has gone trough a hub, but i have several public IP-adresses so when i try to ftp a movie over to the xbox it goes trough internet instead of going trough lan so i get 100mbps. so i did as i always have done and connected it on a secondary ethernet card.
[11:35] <bob2> thomas001: install ubuntu-desktop
[11:35] <slask3n> webtoe: see my previous msg.
[11:36] <thomas001> thx bob2
[11:37] <lunitik> bob2: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-main debfoster ; debfoster ... only say yes to ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base ... then its a 'normal ubuntu desktop'  :)
[11:37] <webtoe> ftping a movie to xbox? is it running linux? if that's all you want to do then you can bring the interface on the pc up by typing ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 up
[11:37] <webtoe> or is it ifconfig eth1 up 192.168.0.1
[11:38] <webtoe> and then on the xbox doing ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.0.2
[11:38] <slask3n> webtoe: ill try now
[11:38] <webtoe> you can then do ftp by using that ip number
[11:38] <slask3n> webtoe: the xbox is already set up..
[11:38] <webtoe> ok dokey, what ip address is it using?
[11:39] <lunitik> bob2: uhh, except that 'ubuntu-main' should read 'ubuntu-base' ... I'm high, leave me blee  :P
[11:40] <slask3n> webtoe: now it shows in ifconfig with an ip and all, but the xbox displays "No Link!" so it thinks that the TP cable isnt connected...
[11:40] <AZ_AS> anyone tried the liveCD on their Macs?
[11:40] <webtoe> AZ_AS: yes
[11:41] <AZ_AS> any luck? tried it on my iBook, just booted up to OS X instead
[11:41] <webtoe> slask3n: i've confused myself. Is your xbox a bog standard xbox with no modifications?
[11:41] <lunitik> AZ_AS: the hoary LiveCD, not on mine, but it worked...
[11:41] <slask3n> no, its chipped and running evoX
[11:41] <webtoe> AZ_AS: when you switch on your ibook, after the tone, hold down the c button
[11:41] <ups> AZ_AS: a friend of mine did, successfully
[11:42] <webtoe> that tells  the mac to look on the cd instead of the hard drive
[11:42] <AZ_AS> i did hold it down though :/
[11:42] <gorilla_> correct :-)
[11:42] <webtoe> slask3n: the rest of the config you need to do on the evoX side. I have no experience with it. I thinl it might be wanting to use dhcp which means different configuration on your pc
[11:42] <gorilla_> AZ_AS, does the drive read ti disk from Mac OS X??
[11:43] <AZ_AS> yep
[11:43] <webtoe> AZ_AS: you need to hold it down the moment you hear the start up tone, you doing that?
[11:43] <AZ_AS> hmm, maybe I should leave speakers on
[11:43] <webtoe> The moment the apple logo shows you're too late
[11:43] <bob2> AZ_AS: have you ever booted a cd on your mac?
[11:44] <AZ_AS> yes bob2
[11:44] <slask3n> webtoe: the xbox configs are fine, so are the PC configs it seems to, but it looks like the ethernet card cant find the connection... :s
[11:44] <bob2> AZ_AS: ok
[11:44] <bob2> AZ_AS: well, I'd check the CD burnt properly then
 i downloaded mplayer but can't work out how to install it any ideas?
[11:44] <bob2> triandafilos: did you read that page or not?
[11:44] <webtoe> slask3n: well how is the xbox setup? if its trying to use dhcp to find an ip address it will fail since dhcp isn't running on your pc
[11:44] <triandafilos> i did
[11:44] <triandafilos> added repositories als
[11:44] <triandafilos> also
[11:45] <AZ_AS> bob2, yeah...I'd bet that's where I had gone wrong, any way to check and make sure it burned right?
[11:45] <slask3n> webtoe: its setup to use a static IP, 192.168.1.10...
[11:45] <AZ_AS> did it in Toast Lite
[11:45] <webtoe> well that needs to be 192.168.0.x
[11:46] <webtoe> where x is any number between 2 and 254
[11:46] <bob2> triandafilos: then, if you used synaptic or apt or ..., it should be installed
[11:46] <webtoe> i think the one makes a difference
[11:46] <webtoe> AZ_AS: how did you burn it? on your mac?
[11:47] <jonex> Is it possible to migrate my firefox profile in Windows to Ubuntu?
[11:47] <slask3n> webtoe: webtoe: wait 2 secs, i looked in the System -> Administration -> Networking now and it is not configuared it says, ill try fix it there maybe it will work...
[11:47] <AZ_AS> Toast Lite...don't remember how I burned it in there
[11:47] <webtoe> jonex: yes it is
[11:48] <jonex> webtoe, Any hint on how?
[11:48] <webtoe> jonex: what version of windows you running?
[11:49] <slask3n> AZ_AS: if you gonna burn something k3b is the best, at least of my experiences...
[11:50] <hackeron> is there anything like prustat for dtrace on linux? (http://users.tpg.com.au/adsln4yb/DTrace/prustat_example.txt)
[11:50] <webtoe> AZ_AS: does toast lite enable you to test the image? mac os x disk utility should be able to verify the disk if it can't. And the image also. I used that to burn my live cd
[11:50] <lunitik> slask3n: they use the same backends... k3b is just an interface for that... gnomebaker is very simular
[11:51] <lunitik> slask3n: and would fit into a gnome desktop a lot better
[11:51] <triandafilos> how do i get around a permission denied message when trying to create a directory?
[11:52] <lunitik> sudo mkdir
[11:52] <gen> yeah, sudo
[11:52] <slask3n> lunitik, ok, i didnt know that.. :) is gnomebaker as easy to use, and can burn images? i tried toaster once but it was reall crappy i thought...
[11:52] <jonex> webtoe, Windows XP
[11:52] <AZ_AS> webtoe, disk utility? I may just use that then...since I don't know if Toast Lite would let me test but I can look
[11:52] <wezzer-_> slask3n: it is easy to use
[11:52] <wezzer-_> and you can burn images too
[11:52] <slask3n> ok :)
[11:52] <bob2> triandafilos: what are you trying to do now?
[11:52] <Zhukov> Hello everyone! Need Urgent help!
[11:52] <wezzer-_> remember to be root when you use it
[11:52] <gen> urgent!
[11:52] <wezzer-_> sudo gnomebaker
[11:52] <lunitik> slask3n: it is described on its site as: 'a k3b clone for gnome' ... its interface is very simular
[11:53] <webtoe> jonex: in c:\documents and settings\your user name\ there should be a folder for firefox
[11:53] <ups> wezzer-_: why does gnomebaker need sudo?
[11:53] <slask3n> lunitik, ok ill try it :) sounds nice...
[11:53] <Zhukov> Just bought a router yesterday and the configuration is working in windows, but in ubuntu i get an ip assigned by dhcp, i can ping but i cant acess the web via firefox, synaptic...
[11:53] <webtoe> jonex: in there there is a folder called profiles and in there there will be a random named folder made from loads of letters and numbers.
[11:53] <wezzer-_> ups: dunno
[11:53] <wezzer-_> somebody told me so
[11:54] <slask3n> ups, cause cdrecord needs to be run as root
[11:54] <lunitik> slask3n: its basic interface: http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/wp-content/gnomebaker1.png is pretty much the same...
[11:54] <jonex> webtoe: yes, where should I put it?
[11:54] <webtoe> jonex: copy that folder into /home/username/.firefox/profiles on your linux machine
[11:54] <jonex> ah k
[11:54] <ups> slask3n: k
[11:54] <AZ_AS> ty to those who helped...I'll give this a shot sometime soon since it'll be nice to try a distro without installing anything :)
[11:55] <webtoe> Zhukov: sounds like dns isn't working
[11:55] <ups> btw, i tried to burn a cd in gnomebaker - 703MB in a 700MB cd, which should burn fine. but gnomebaker didn't let me
[11:55] <djp> is podcasting meant just for ipod users?
[11:55] <ups> (later used nautilus-cd-burner to do it)
[11:55] <lunitik> AZ_AS: keep in mind, the installer doesn't include things like plugins for firefox, or codecs etc as there are license issues
[11:55] <bob2> that won't burn fine
[11:55] <gorilla_> Zhukov, are you getting the default rout set??
[11:55] <bob2> unless you have overburning on
[11:56] <webtoe> Zhukov: open a web browser and type http://66.70.14.129/
[11:56] <AZ_AS> np, lunitik
[11:56] <webtoe> djp: no anyone can listen
[11:56] <ups> bob2: yeah, couldn't find overburn option in gnomebaker
[11:56] <lunitik> AZ_AS: s/installer/livecd/ bah
[11:56] <slask3n> webtoe: ok, now im confused! everything is set up correctly both on the PC and the xbox, but it cant find eachother, No Link! it says... :s
[11:56] <Zhukov> hes trying to connect to google, but the progress bar stalls in 50 %
[11:57] <djp> webtoe: sure. sorry, realised this question sin't exactly ubuntu specific, but indirectly it is, as i am using bashpodder with ubuntu hoary!
[11:57] <webtoe> slask3n: ok how old is this ethernet card connected to the xbox? and is it a cross over cable?
[11:57] <webtoe> djp: no worries it was a perfectly reasonable question
[11:57] <AZ_AS> lunitik, i'm not interested in installing though...just want to run off the cd
[11:57] <slask3n> lunitik, are there anything similar to quanta for gnome too? other that bluefish then, ause that was nasty...
[11:58] <djp> webtoe: managing to download podcasts via bashpodder that is setup as a daily cron job and then listening to the casts with rhythmbox! i love my hoary!
[11:58] <lunitik> AZ_AS: s/foo/bar/ is a sed command basically meaning 'substitute bar in place of foo'
[11:58] <lunitik> slask3n: apparently nvu ... but I've not tried that myself
[11:59] <lunitik> slask3n: I don't really do web developement much... and what I do do, vi is fine
[11:59] <slask3n> webtoe: its a couple years i think, a regular realtek ethernet card 10/100 mbps... and its a regular TP cable too, the strange thing is that ive done this thousends of times before... with windows then but it shouldnt be so different..
[11:59] <goldfish> em, well like i have a folder, in /media/windows/blah/blah/ and i want to have like a shortcut in /home/music/, can i do this from the command line?
[12:00] <lunitik> goldfish: ln -s /media/windows/blah/blah /home/music
[12:00] <bob2> goldfish: sudo ln -s /media/windows/blah/ /home/music/
[12:00] <slask3n> lunitik: ok. but what do you do then since you use vi?
[12:00] <webtoe> slask3n: TP? you need to be using cross over cable unless the cards are both recent otherwise it won't work
[12:00] <goldfish> lunitik, bob2 Thanks :)
[12:00] <lunitik> slask3n: I type
[12:01] <slask3n> lunitik: LOL! Is it really true?? :o hehe, no i ment what programming language do you use if any?
[12:02] <AZ_AS> night all
[12:02] <lunitik> slask3n: heh... just basic HTML, CSS, and trying unsuccessfully to not suck at XHTML
[12:02] <Zhukov> webtoe no good...it isnt connecting. Hes connectin to www.goggle.com Firefox blocked a pop up window, but no page at all...and the same to synaptic...Xchat appearently is working
[12:03] <slask3n> lunitik: ok :) i guess vi has syntax highlighting then? i need it cause im writing PHP...
[12:03] <webtoe> Zhukov: that's very bizare. You might want to check the router's configuration but apart from that I'm not sure that I can help you. Sorry
[12:03] <Zhukov> :S Xchat is trynkg to connect to irc.PTNet.org, and he says the ip is 1.0.0.0... :S
[12:03] <lunitik> slask3n: gedit does ... not required here though
[12:04] <ups> slask3n: vi has syntax highlighting for most languages, as does gedit
[12:04] <lunitik> slask3n: also, so does nvu... it is basically mozilla composer, but without having to load the rest of Mozilla to use it...
[12:04] <webtoe> jEdit is quite a nice text editor. though it is written in java so a bit slow at times
[12:05] <lunitik> webtoe: going by those criteria, emacs is a nice text editor too   :/
[12:05] <webtoe> emacs r0ckzzzz!!!! :P
[12:05] <slask3n> webtoe: i know, but i think the ethernet card has a function that detects and adjusts of if its a crossover cable or ordinary TP cable... but i used the same card and the same cable hundreds of times before, thats what so strange...
[12:05] <lunitik> webtoe: not the hugest fan  ;)
[12:06] <webtoe> slask3n: I know that older cards couldn't do that. Difficult to say with yours though. If its been working in this configuration before (PC to PC) then I don't know what else could be wrong. Maybe the xbox card doesn't detect it
[12:06] <webtoe> ?
[12:07] <webtoe> lunitik: I'm not that big a fan either. I understand that once you know all the key combinations etc you can wizz over files. I just can't be bothered when i have a mouse and a visual pointer
[12:07] <slask3n> lunitik, webtoe, ups: i have fell in love for the quanta, it has a nice syntax highlighting, autoclosure of tags, and some other stuff, the only bad thing is its made for KDE... but ive tested nvu and bluefish and some others too, but i dont like them as good as quanta..
[12:08] <ups> slask3n: there's screem too, which u can try if u like auto-closing stuff
[12:08] <lunitik> slask3n: thats cool... just... quanta takes a year to run when you're using GNOME   :/
[12:08] <ups> slask3n: and i think it's present main
[12:09] <ups> slask3n: ofcourse, all these gnome ide's aren't very mature yet, so you'll not find a perfect solution right now
[12:09] <slask3n> webtoe: ive done exactly this.. connecting the xbox and the PC directly just like now, with the very same cable and the very same ethernet card! the only thing different is that i had windoZe last time, and not Ubuntu, actually i think ive done the same thing in mandrake...
[12:09] <webtoe> well i personally like ed........ :P
[12:10] <lunitik> ups: ooo, never seen screem before... it should get more publicity  :(
[12:10] <slask3n> ups, lunitik: yes i know, its the reason i want to change to a gnome based editor... ill try screem though.. :)
[12:11] <ups> screem has some nice features, but needs to mature a little more.. when i last used it it wasn't as much fun :)
[12:12] <ups> but seems like i used an older version than one present now
[12:12] <slask3n> ups: thats the same with nvu i think.. and bluefish also...
[12:12] <ups> yup
[12:13] <lunitik> even if using a livecd, its configurable before you connect  :/
[12:13] <lunitik> and obvious  >:|
[12:13] <ups> not to all i guess :)
[12:13] <slask3n> ups: but if you looks away from the facts that quanta is KDE-based and slow under gnome, its a great editor! for both wedeveloping and programming of many languages.. :)
[12:13] <lunitik> ups: heh
[12:14] <ups> slask3n: i've never used it, but yeah heard it's good....
[12:14] <ups> slask3n: ofcourse, i'm not gonna install kde libs just to use it :)
[12:15] <lunitik> debfoster makes cleanup a breeze afterwards  :)
[12:15] <slask3n> ups, thats the problem.. i would really like to fing a gnome based editor, cause the only KDE based apps i use is k3b and quanta.. but now i use gnomebaker so quanta is the onlye KDEthing on my computer...
[12:16] <Amaranth> yay! the two bugs blocking 0.5 of my menu editor are fixed in CVS. now i just need to make packages of them :)
[12:17] <lunitik> Amaranth: to get into breezy?
[12:17] <ups> slask3n: try using screem/bluefish, and help them improve it by filing bug reports :)
[12:17] <Amaranth> lunitik: No, I expect GNOME 2.12 and PyXDG 0.9 will go into breezy on their own.
[12:18] <Amaranth> lunitik: I need to make hoary packages of gnome-menus with the patch applied and PyXDG from CVS.
[12:18] <Amaranth> hmm, how to do that on breezy? :)
[12:18] <lunitik> Amaranth: ahh... so even though you named it 'gnome-menu-editor' its not actually approved for GNOME yet?
[12:18] <Amaranth> lunitik: I didn't name it gnome-menu-editor, that's a different project.
[12:18] <lunitik> Amaranth: debootstrap an hoary environment
[12:18] <slask3n> ups: i am not tuching bluefish for a while!! :p but ive installed screem now and will test it soon...
[12:18] <Amaranth> pbuilder?
[12:18] <lunitik> Amaranth: ohhhh
[12:19] <lunitik> Amaranth: so what is yours called?
[12:19] <Amaranth> Menu Editor :)
[12:19] <lunitik> Amaranth: project, not menu item  ;)
[12:19] <Amaranth> lunitik: That's the project name.
[12:19] <Amaranth> I lack imagination.
[12:19] <lunitik> Amaranth: ohhh... hmm
[12:20] <Amaranth> lunitik: I was thinking GNOME Advanced Menu Editor (GAME). :)
[12:20] <slask3n> lunitik: another thing btw, do you know how to set the size of the icons? i found it a couple days ago but i formatted so now i dont find it anymore :s
[12:20] <jinx``> Amaranth Menu Editor Speciasl Professional Edition Retail
[12:20] <jinx``> GAME is nice
[12:20] <ups> lunitik: debfoster seems nice
[12:21] <djp> do you need to install Lame in order to encode mp3's? the reason i ask is that i would prefer not to have to install it as it is part of the multiverse repo. Is there an alternative?
[12:21] <lunitik> ups: simple... can edit what it knows about what you want installed via /var/lib/debfoster/keeps
[12:21] <lunitik> keepers*
[12:22] <diaoune> Hello. Does anyone know where to find a howto for changing the default system language?
[12:22] <lunitik> djp: yes
[12:22] <bob2> djp: lame is the best mp3 encoder around...
[12:22] <\sh> diaoune: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:22] <slask3n> how do i set the size of the icons? i found it a couple days ago but i formatted so now i dont find it anymore :s
[12:22] <bob2> of course, if you can avoid using mp3 at all...
[12:22] <ups> lunitik: k, thx... i've used deborphan, this seems to be able to do more
[12:23] <diaoune> thqnks /sh. Ill try that :)
[12:23] <djp> bob2: sure. was thinking of coding as ogg vorbis. will that work for pod casting in your opinion?
[12:23] <lunitik> diaoune: just dpkg-reconfigure debconf (set to low) and dpkg-reconfigure locales (or just 'apt-get install language-pack-$LANG' where $LANG is a 2 digit representation of your language... apt-cache search language pack
[12:23] <bob2> djp: I don't know what "pod casting" is
[12:24] <bob2> if it involves ipods, then no, it won't work, since they can't decode vorbis
[12:24] <triandafilos> guys thanks for you help i got it working... FULL CRAZY...
[12:24] <djp> bob2: don't need an ipod. you can listen to podcasts on your pc or on certain portable players like iriver etc
[12:25] <lunitik> ups: yeah... deborphan just tells you about libraries that aren't in use... debfoster informs you about packages not dependent on anything else, and allows you to do something about it...
[12:25] <djp> bob2: i gather iriver players support ogg playback...
[12:25] <webtoe> djp: I think you can podcast in pretty much any codec you want. it depends on whether the peope you're doing it for want it in ogg vorbis (for their ipods?)
[12:25] <ups> lunitik: yeah
[12:25] <bob2> djp: yeah, they do
[12:25] <webtoe> anybody got an iriver? they good?
[12:25] <bob2> djp: so "pod casting" is a new term for "icecast"?
[12:26] <djp> webtoe: i bought one for a friend and it is very good imo
[12:26] <petemc> webtoe: i plan to sell my ipod to get an iriver
[12:26] <bob2> webtoe: a friend of mine had one
[12:26] <bob2> he's trying to sell it now, since he bought an iaudio
[12:26] <webtoe> well as nice as ipods are they're useless to me since i have so much stuff in mp3 and ogg vorbis
[12:26] <ups> djp: afaik what u encode in shouldn't matter for podcast, so ogg vorbis should do fine
[12:26] <bob2> my iaudio is pretty awesome, too
[12:26] <djp> bob2: icecast? now don't confuse me!!! ;)
[12:26] <djp> ups: cheers
[12:26] <webtoe> and just being only able to listen to mp3 on my player is rubbish
[12:26] <petemc> bob2: thats the wee slim things?
[12:26] <bob2> podcast sounds like some sort of invented marketing word
[12:27] <bob2> petemc: the iaudio g3 is, yeah
[12:27] <chaitatp> hullo
[12:27] <ups> bob2: it sure does :)
[12:27] <webtoe> bob2: does it play ogg vorbis?
[12:27] <petemc> im embarrassed to take my ipod out in public now
[12:27] <webtoe> lol
[12:27] <bob2> I bought an m3, which is flash-based and smaller than my visa
[12:27] <petemc> nice
[12:28] <bob2> webtoe: iaudio and irivier all play vorbis, yeah
[12:28] <chaitatp> how much of it?
[12:28] <chaitatp> m3, i mean
[12:28] <bob2> 1gb
[12:28] <bob2> it's not what you want if you want to take all your music with you
[12:28] <webtoe> oh noooooo!!! don't give me a chioce!!!
[12:29] <lunitik> djp: icecast is a streaming server... something that flumotion also provides... Xiph foundation (people behind ogg -vorbis and theora- and flac) is responsible for Icecast.... just to add more confusion and stuff
[12:29] <djp> lunitik: will check this out. thanks...
[12:29] <ups> lol
[12:29] <bob2> lunitik: is podcast just a new term for "streaming music"?
[12:29] <birdy27> hi
[12:30] <preglow> is there any way of apt-getting 32 bit apps in my amd64 hoary? it's hasn't got acroread, but i'd really like it, and it should run fine in 32 bit mode.
[12:30] <ups> hi birdy27
[12:30] <webtoe> podcast is rss for sound files
[12:30] <bob2> ah
[12:30] <super_dude2> simple question how do i set icons for my user accounts?
[12:30] <bob2> preglow: if you make a chroot
[12:30] <birdy27> I'm about to isntall Ubuntu for a friend, who would like to have a system in kroatian
[12:30] <bob2> preglow: or install it from a tarball or such (assuming ia32-libs has all the libraries it needs)
[12:30] <birdy27> how can I find out wether ubuntu supports that language?
[12:30] <super_dude2> i have set it so it shows the users and it comes upi with a icon with a sillowet of a face with a ?in ti
[12:30] <djp> bob2: webtoe has given me some advice with regards podcasting. i'm just interested and trying to suss it out...
[12:31] <preglow> bob2: yeah, sure, i could do that, just wondering if i could do it through apt, since that's a bit cleaner
[12:31] <Ubuntu_Beginner> How to browse the windows formatted hard drives from ubuntu?
[12:31] <bob2> preglow: no, you can't
[12:31] <lunitik> bob2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting
[12:32] <lunitik> bob2: basically, sounds like it  :P
[12:32] <bob2> Ubuntu_Beginner: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[12:32] <ups> Ubuntu_Beginner: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:32] <bob2> as scared as I am to point someone at that ;)
[12:32] <super_dude2> My Question is how do you set icons for the startup menu options?
[12:33] <super_dude2> I have set my computer to show the icons and user account names how do you edit the heads that come up on the screen?
[12:34] <bob2> sudo gdmsetup, I'd assume
[12:34] <super_dude2> was that for me ?
[12:34] <ups> super_dude2: System->Admin->Login Screen Setup ?
[12:35] <super_dude2> what i do?
[12:35] <birdy27> Can I set different Languages for different users?
[12:36] <lunitik> Although I don't have a theme that provides this, maybe it added when you are using such a theme?
[12:36] <ups> oh
[12:36] <revelater> hey everbody, is there a way to update from warty to hoary just by changing the sources?
[12:36] <revelater> in apt-get
[12:36] <webtoe> yes
[12:36] <lunitik> revelater: yes
[12:36] <revelater> so all i have to do, is wherver it says warty i sub for hoary?
[12:36] <lunitik> revelater: change all instances of warty to hoary in Synaptic 'Settings > Repository"
[12:37] <lunitik> revelater: ahh, uhh, yeah
[12:37] <super_dude2> i have it set on happy gnome with browser the browser shows the heads and usr names how do i cange the heads ,      the sudo gdmsetup jsut brang up the login screen setup
[12:37] <revelater> ok, thank you, just wanted to be sure, just one more quick q, has anyone else ever done this?
[12:37] <revelater> successfully, the first time
[12:39] <lunitik> revelater: yes, I've succeeded a few times... apt-get install debfoster and run it ('sudo debfoster') though after dist-upgrade
[12:39] <bob2> revelater: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeGuide
[12:39] <bob2> make sure you read that
[12:39] <ups> revelater: most of us have, and are running it :)
[12:39] <birdy27> bb
[12:39] <revelater> ok, cool, its just that i tryed something like this in debian, and my computer has never quite been the same
[12:39] <lunitik> ups: my current install is a fresh hoary... with latest breezy stuff...
[12:40] <bob2> revelater: then file bugs
[12:40] <bob2> unreported problems can't be fixed?
[12:40] <revelater> i think the problem was the end user :P
[12:40] <djp> is the default sound recorder in hoary good for recording or is there a better sound recorder available?
[12:40] <ups> lunitik: i'm not touching my source file for atleast 3-4 weeks :)
[12:41] <lunitik> ups: it is actually far afterwards that you encounter issues... next gnome isn't in etc... new oo.o is, but I haven't played enough to see if that has issues...
[12:42] <lunitik> ups: removes xpdf and gnome-gs though, and installs evince, so I'm a happy camper  :)
[12:42] <djp> lunitik: nothing exciting, i'm home for the week, decorating! well, meant to be but keep ending up here... ;)
[12:42] <ups> lunitik: i've been running oo.o2 and evince for months now ;)
[12:42] <djp> lunitik: the missus will kill me if i don't get something done today!!!
[12:42] <lunitik> djp: heh... funny how that happens  :)
[12:42] <revelater> man i am running out of space FAST
[12:42] <revelater> gotta get rid of all of that porn
[12:43] <revelater> :P
[12:43] <djp> is the default sound recorder in hoary good for recording or is there a better sound recorder available?
[12:43] <bob2> it's fine
[12:43] <bob2> recording sound is trivial
[12:43] <lunitik> ups: I don't like to play with ubuntu-desktop much (because then its harder to figure out if I fucked something up with bug reports) ... having 2 copies of OO.o installed annoyed me
[12:43] <djp> bob2: thanks
[12:43] <djp> bob2: so is audacity, slightly overkill?
[12:43] <lunitik> s/with/for/
[12:44] <Choubaka> djp: depends on what you need.
[12:45] <ups> lunitik: well, i installed ubuntu-desktop back just before upgrading to hoary final, so right now i do have oo & oo2, still i can live with it for a while
[12:45] <djp> Choubaka: mainly recording stuff with microphone
[12:45] <Choubaka> well, then audacity is overkill.
[12:45] <Jojosan> hello to all of you
[12:46] <Jojosan> I have a BIG problu
[12:46] <Jojosan> with Ubuntu setup process
[12:46] <ups> hi Jojosan
[12:46] <djp> Choubaka: thanks
[12:46] <Jojosan> my IBM laptop angs always at the same moment
[12:46] <Jojosan> *hangs
[12:46] <webtoe> jojosan: what model laptop? and at what point?
[12:47] <Jojosan> It's an IBM ThinkPad T20 (with DVD Reader)
[12:47] <Jojosan> it hangs when the message 'reading database' appears
[12:47] <Jojosan> after running aptitude
[12:48] <Jojosan> (tjhe system hangs the same way with the standard install process)
[12:48] <guupsta> anyone know what to do when monitor goes out of sync range while logging out / rebooting / shutting down. i've had this problem with warty and hoary.
[12:48] <slask3n> how do i change the size of the icons in folders nnd on my desktop? i did it a couple days ago, but i formatted and now i cant find it again...
[12:48] <diaoune> Hi. Ive changed my system's default language, now how do I change the language of some installed applications?(firefox,openoffice etc..) Do I just reinstall them using apt-get?
[12:48] <Choubaka> no,
[12:49] <Choubaka> you need to install the locale packages for those applications
[12:49] <diaoune> i see
[12:49] <diaoune> choubaka: Is there a howto anywhere for that?
[12:49] <Choubaka> hmm
[12:49] <ups> slask3n: cant clicking the 'zoom' icon do that?
[12:50] <Choubaka> for firefox, search for "firefox locale"
[12:50] <webtoe> see you later guys
[12:50] <webtoe> off to eat lunch
[12:50] <ups> diaoune: you've installed language-pack-xx ?
[12:50] <cartman> is there an amd64 channel for ubuntu?
[12:51] <Choubaka> and openoffice... "openoffice locale"
[12:51] <ups> diaoune: also, install language-support-xx
[12:51] <diaoune> ups: I dont think so. Should apt-get install language-pack-fr be enough?
[12:51] <ups> diaoune: yeah
[12:51] <diaoune> choubaka:search on google or with apt-get?
[12:51] <lunitik> Choubaka: apt-cache show language-support-en  <-- *cough*
[12:52] <Choubaka> lunitik: ah.
[12:52] <ups> diaoune: sudo apt-get install language-pack-fr language-support-fr
[12:52] <jinx``> how to change the system language back from german to english?
[12:52] <slask3n> ups: yes it does but it will only "zoom" the browser.. not on the desktop and etc..
[12:52] <Choubaka> diaoune: apt of course.
[12:52] <Choubaka> Installing unpackaged software is for experts only.
[12:52] <ups> diaoune: i hope those two will do the rest, like pulling in other apps packs
[12:53] <lunitik> Choubaka: there is one for all installed languages... firefox is there, as is openoffice... as well as dictionaries etc... much better than just firefox locales  :)
[12:53] <Choubaka> yeah. :)
[12:53] <diaoune> thanks choubaka,ups
[12:53] <Choubaka> I installed fi support :p
[12:53] <ups> diaoune: np :)
[12:53] <lunitik> Choubaka: :)
[12:53] <Choubaka> Even though I don't even use Finnish on this machine.
[12:53] <Choubaka> But it's for my family.
[12:53] <lunitik> Choubaka: makes sense  :)
[12:54] <ruschi> BTW, could anybody update software this week by using apt? its always telling me no updates available, I can't believe it
[12:54] <lunitik> ruschi: hoary?
[12:54] <Choubaka> ruschi: believe it
[12:54] <Choubaka> hoary is stable.
[12:54] <ruschi> yes hoary
[12:54] <dockane> i am thinking of bidding on an ibm intellistation with 2x pentium 3 and an adaptec 7589H onboard. has anybody got experience with these workstations and linux (ubuntu)?
[12:54] <Choubaka> that means it's not getting new software. only updates :)
[12:54] <ruschi> what about the new acroread
[12:54] <lunitik> ruschi: hoary was release on the 8th ... change hoary to breezy if you want an influx of upgrades again  ;)
[12:54] <ruschi> ok, now I get it
[12:55] <ruschi> thanks
[12:55] <Choubaka> breezy may break stuff though!
[12:55] <Choubaka> so be warned.
[12:55] <lunitik> Choubaka: s/may/will eventually/  ;)
[12:55] <ruschi> anyone got experience with breezy?
[12:55] <Choubaka> I don't recommend breezy for newbies.
[12:56] <lunitik> Choubaka: right now, its just sid stuff... which means its not that unstable (else it would be in experimental)
[12:56] <ruschi> well I might try to install the desired packages manually
[12:56] <Choubaka> ruschi: learn apt-pinning then.
[12:56] <ruschi> i was running sid almost a year before i changed to ubuntu
[12:56] <lunitik> Choubaka: neither would I... but most n00b's wouldn't be too drawn to constant upgrades either  ;)
[12:56] <ruschi> I know how to pin my packages, thanks
[12:56] <ajmitch> lunitik: there are some core packages such as gcc-4.0 & glibc 2.3.5 that sid doesn't have (at least as default)
[12:56] <Choubaka> I got bored of always updating. :P
[12:57] <lunitik> Choubaka: I'm addicted to it methinks
[12:57] <ups> me too, that's why i'm gonna use a stable release for some time ;)
[12:57] <ruschi> well i just checked today, I always do on friday after university and was astonished
[12:57] <diaoune> hmmm. how do I search with apt-get? I admit I'm more used to Gentoo's emerge command ;)
[12:57] <lunitik> ajmitch: true enough...
[12:58] <murrayc_> diaoune: Use synaptic.
[12:58] <ajmitch> lunitik: eg at the moment I can't dist-upgrade due to file conflicts
[12:58] <ups> diaoune: use synaptic, it's much easier
[12:58] <slask3n> anyone knows how to change the size of the icons on the desktop? i did it a couple days ago, but i formatted and now i cant find it again...
[12:58] <ruschi> a real great tool - compared to dselect, its predecessor
[12:58] <lunitik> ajmitch: still not entirely sure why gcc-4.0 is in though... I mean, pleantly of people complain about there being no compiler by default, but a majority don't need one  :/
[12:58] <diaoune> ups,murrayc: lol thanks. I guess I love the command line too much ;)
[12:59] <ajmitch> lunitik: gcc-4.0 is the default compiler now that everything is being built with, so things may break a little there
[12:59] <Choubaka> a little .p
[12:59] <saw27> hi, can anyone with en_GB locale confirm an openoffice problem for me?
[12:59] <ups> diaoune: in that case, `apt-cache search keyword` ;)
[12:59] <tbird> for anyone that wonts to get java working  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[12:59] <lunitik> ajmitch: no, I mean, Ubuntu Hoary doesn't even include a compiler
[01:00] <ajmitch> lunitik: you mean it doesn't install a compiler with a fresh install
[01:00] <lunitik> ajmitch: yes
[01:00] <ztonzy> hey, anyone know how to increase the mousewheel speed? (or rows)
[01:00] <lunitik> ajmitch: breezy will by the looks of it
[01:00] <ruschi> sure there is, its just running on my machine right now
[01:00] <xophEr> is is possible to access a linux (ext3) partition from windows?
[01:00] <ajmitch> lunitik: no, I don't think breezy will either
[01:00] <Choubaka> saw27: hmm?
[01:00] <ups> lunitik: the packages that are being used will be built with gcc4
[01:01] <Deviad> Hello guys.
[01:01] <Choubaka> a compiler is a security risk. :)
[01:01] <Choubaka> most desktop users won't need it anyway.
[01:01] <ups> xophEr: there's something that lets u copy things over, can't remember the name
[01:01] <Choubaka> so why include it?
[01:01] <saw27> Choubaka: If you open up openoffice Presenter, do you have any templates showing in the new presentation AutoPilot?
[01:02] <Choubaka> hmm. it seems I don't have oo installed after all.
[01:02] <Deviad> I'm installing ubuntu i386 on an AMD 64 machine and at some point in time of the installation I get: "unable to create /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i: No space left on device
[01:02] <Choubaka> a moment
[01:02] <lunitik> ups: I know that  :/
[01:02] <ruschi> compiler issue: all precompiled packages are compiled for i386 meaning they don't take adantage of modern processors - are ther other 32 bit optimized distributions e.g. of ubuntu?
[01:03] <ups> ruschi: i dont think so, but there's optimized kernel available
[01:03] <ups> ruschi: plus glibc is optimized too
[01:03] <ruschi> I always buid the kernel myself
[01:03] <Deviad> Is anyone aware of the solution of my problem?
[01:03] <ups> Deviad: seems you don't have enough space left on the hard disk?
[01:03] <ruschi> @devisad: no idea i am running a 32 Bit machine
[01:03] <Deviad> I thought it too, but it's quite impossible
[01:03] <ups> Deviad: so basically free up some space...
[01:04] <Deviad> 21.5 GB partition
[01:04] <Deviad> :P
[01:04] <Deviad> all free for Linux
[01:04] <saw27> Deviad: is this before or after the partitioning stage?
[01:04] <Deviad> the options I used to create the ext3 are
[01:04] <ruschi> no way it can't be full
[01:04] <Deviad> 1 inode for every megabyte
[01:04] <Deviad> After
[01:04] <Deviad> 5% of space left in that strange option
[01:04] <Deviad> I left it by default
[01:04] <Choubaka> ruschi: that's wrong.
[01:04] <Deviad> I guss it dpeneds on that
[01:05] <Deviad> how much percentage do I have to free for root?
[01:05] <slask3n> doesnt anybody know how to change the size of the icons on the desktop? i did it a couple days ago, but i formatted and now i cant find it again...
[01:05] <Deviad> other distros don't have that option
[01:05] <Choubaka> just because they're compiled to support i386 doesn't mean they can't take advantage of newer processor features. :/
[01:05] <ups> slask3n: try google, or ask again in a few hours when some different people are looking :p
[01:06] <lunitik> Deviad: umm... how much do you have around that you can use for / ? and are you seperating out things like /var, /home and /usr
[01:06] <lunitik> ?
[01:06] <saw27> Deviad: 1 inode per MB? doesn't that mean your average file system can't be < 1Mb before you run out inodes (although I don't think it's likely to be the problem here)
[01:06] <saw27> i mean file size, not file system
[01:07] <Shufla> hello :D
[01:07] <Deviad> Well as far as I know inodes are used to tell the computer
[01:07] <saw27> Deviad: the space reserved for root is a kind of quota so that root still has some room for messing around if users fill up the disk.
[01:07] <Deviad> which is the next block it has to read from
[01:07] <Deviad> all the rest is blank space
[01:07] <Deviad> right?
[01:07] <Deviad> If I have a file that uses half a block
[01:07] <ruschi> really? well waht happens if abinary expects to have more registers than a 80386 has because the compiler optimezed for e.g. athlon
[01:07] <Deviad> I will have 500 kb free
[01:07] <ruschi> it won't run on a 80386
[01:07] <Deviad> not usable
[01:08] <Deviad> I opted for this solution cos I want to see dvd
[01:08] <Deviad> divx*
[01:08] <Deviad> without issues
[01:08] <Deviad> I didn't think I couldn't use free smaller files as far as I knew...
[01:08] <Deviad> ok
[01:09] <saw27> Deviad: I think you need one inode for each file on the filesystem
[01:09] <ups> what does divx have to do with inodes... ? :s
[01:09] <ruschi> I thought i386 is the common instruction set all intel/amd architecture has, all future instructions are machine specific
[01:09] <Deviad> it's something I learned at university about file system
[01:09] <mjr> actually, the "i386" binaries tend to use 486-level instructions nowadays (at least anything dependent on libstdc++)
[01:09] <Deviad> if you have a large file
[01:09] <Deviad> the disk if you chose 4 kb
[01:09] <Deviad> has to do an access every 4 kb
[01:10] <Deviad> to see what's the next block
[01:10] <mjr> and (some) optimizations can be made for more modern processors without sacrificing backwards compatibility
[01:10] <Deviad> and where it has to pick it up
[01:10] <Sp4rKy> I have this issue : when i start my session over gnome, i haven't neither my desktop wallpaper nor my icons ...
[01:10] <saw27> deviad: you're mixing up inodes and block size, I think
[01:10] <lunitik> saw27: yes... Deviad: an inode is a unit on the disk that provides imformation regarding UID, GID, and where it is located physically on the disc
[01:10] <Deviad> since the hd isn't linear as someone could think
[01:10] <Deviad> yes
[01:10] <ruschi> @deviad: how do you get information about blocksizes?
[01:10] <Deviad> lunitik, exactly that
[01:10] <lunitik> Deviad: it is basically a library of what is on the physical disk
[01:10] <ups> xophEr: still around? i remember now, it is called explore2fs
[01:10] <mjr> (MMX and SSE are a separate thing, but programs using those tend to check for the support and use normal versions if not available)
[01:10] <Sp4rKy> and they appears when i run file explorer
[01:10] <Sp4rKy> anybody could help me please ?
[01:11] <CB201> has anyone gotten xmame working here?
[01:11] <Deviad> but if I choice to have an inode 4 kb big doesn't it mix that when I have to watch a movie
[01:11] <Deviad> or transfer a large file
[01:11] <Deviad> like 600 MB
[01:11] <Deviad> it has to access the disk every 4 KB?
[01:11] <Shufla> block size could be 4kB
[01:11] <Deviad> doesn't it mean*
[01:11] <Shufla> Deviad: nope. i'
[01:11] <saw27> Deviad: as i say, you're mixing up inodes and blocks
[01:11] <lunitik> Deviad: pretty sure you can't specify the size of an inode... at least I sure don't know how
[01:11] <Shufla> it could buffer data
[01:12] <saw27> Deviad: i suggest you try again with the default ext3 options
[01:12] <xophEr> ups, ok, thanks
[01:12] <Deviad> ok
[01:12] <ups> xophEr: but you have to copy each file to view it, and ofcourse u cannot write
[01:13] <CB201> when xmame is installed, what directory is the file containting ROM BIOS in?
[01:13] <ups> xophEr: copy each file to windows i mean
[01:13] <CB201> man page is no help
[01:13] <Shufla> CB201: dpkg -L xmame-package
[01:13] <lunitik> CB201: wherever you put it... it doesn't provide ROM's
[01:14] <xophEr> ups, yes, well I was actually looking for exactly that :)
[01:14] <lunitik> CB201: mainly because it is illegal to distribute them publicly
[01:14] <Sp4rKy> anybody can help me please ?
[01:14] <ups> xophEr: ok :)
[01:14] <ups> Sp4rKy: just ask :)
[01:15] <lunitik> actually, I guess at all, but what they don't know won't kill them
[01:15] <ups> Sp4rKy: oops, i see u already did
[01:16] <queuetue> Ho wod I install a downloaded deb file?  (not in a repository, in my home directory)
[01:16] <ups> Sp4rKy: looks like nautilus isn't starting up automatically... this shouldnt happen
[01:16] <ruschi> @sparky, just move your local .gnome2 directory somewhere else and let it be recreated, if the issue still exists its something in your installation, if not, your profile is corrupted
[01:16] <lunitik> queuetue: dpkg -i pkgname
[01:16] <Ben2004uk> hey all
[01:16] <ups> queuetue: sudo dpkg -i filename
[01:16] <lunitik> queuetue: so 'dpkg -i /home/me/mypackage.deb
[01:16] <lunitik> '
[01:16] <Ben2004uk> really like the ubuntu release and as im starting to learn C i was wondering if there was any way I could do things to help the project?
[01:16] <ups> lunitik: with a sudo :p
[01:17] <queuetue> lunitik,  ups  thanks.
[01:17] <lunitik> ups: not if you already did a sudo -i  8)
[01:17] <CB201> lunitik: I know it doesn't provide ROMs.  But I know there's a file containing the actual support for games.  and I have no idea where it is
[01:17] <RickA> hi
[01:17] <RickA> I have a question about Ubuntu
[01:17] <ruschi> sure ask
[01:17] <RickA> how is the support for the newest ATI cards?
[01:17] <lunitik> RickA: and we probably have an answer
[01:18] <RickA> I've had alook on the forums, and it seems okay
[01:18] <RickA> can anyone here confirm this?
[01:18] <ruschi> so try it out, ubuntu has kernel modules for closed source drivers as well
[01:18] <ruschi> e.g. my Nvidia card runs just fine
[01:20] <ups> RickA: i'm using nvidia with the open source drivers, but some friends use ati and it seems to work ok too
[01:20] <RickA> ok
[01:21] <ruschi> Bye
[01:21] <RickA> I'll probably have to test this myself, but you wouldn't happen to know of the ati drivers support tv out
[01:22] <RickA> and also, does ubuntu have any support for touchscreens?
[01:23] <slask3n> ups: to globally change icon size edit "Default zoom level" in System -> Preferences -> File Management :)
[01:24] <ups> slask3n: great, i had no idea you hadn't tried that one before :p
[01:24] <CB201> there should be a config file with the names of every xmame ROM supported in it.  but I can't find the file
[01:25] <CB201> does anyone at least know the filename or directory they have it in?
[01:26] <ups> oh.. he left
[01:28] <djp> Choubaka: can i drop .wav and .off files in to my recording using the gnome sound recorder without any problems?
[01:29] <Sp4rKy> ups, thx
[01:29] <ups> Sp4rKy: nautilus should start automatically, did u change anything?
[01:29] <Sp4rKy> ups, i check this, wait
[01:30] <djp> does anyone know if i can drop .wav and .ogg files in to a vocal recording using the gnome sound recorder without any problems?
[01:32] <Sp4rKy> ups, how can i check if nautilius exist at start ?
[01:33] <ups> Sp4rKy: when u login, do u see nautilus in the splash screen?
[01:33] <Sp4rKy> i don't think
[01:33] <Sp4rKy> ups, how can i add it ?
[01:37] <djp> does anyone know if i can drop .wav and .ogg files in to a vocal recording using the gnome sound recorder without any problems?
[01:37] <cspnico> hi
[01:37] <cspnico> how i can record my webcam?
[01:37] <cspnico> i can see me in mplayer
[01:38] <petemc> xawtv
[01:38] <cspnico> mplayer -noframedrop -dumpfile out.wmv -dumpstream tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0
[01:38] <cspnico> okki i try
[01:38] <ups> Sp4rKy: i'm not really sure, sorry. it is supposed to start by default
[01:38] <petemc> i havent used it in about 2 years, there may be something better
[01:38] <cspnico> Sp4rKy:>hi guys :=)
[01:39] <Sp4rKy> ups, ok, but it's possible i 'd remove it, or do you think gdesklet could do this ?
[01:39] <Sp4rKy> cspnico hi :)
[01:40] <ups> Sp4rKy: don't think gdesklets removes it, but you might have changed some settings perhaps?
[01:40] <ups> Sp4rKy: although i cant find where it is specified
[01:41] <Sp4rKy> ups, perhaps, i 'll try to add nautilius again, thx
[01:42] <cspnico> yop
[01:42] <Sp4rKy> re-yop
[01:42] <leptom> hi
[01:42] <djp> does anyone know if i can drop .wav and .ogg files in to a vocal recording using the gnome sound recorder without any problems?
[01:43] <mvirkkil> How do I change the nautilus back to the normal spacial nautilus (I don't want to to close windows if I don't ask it to).
[01:43] <Sp4rKy> djp, i don't know, but audacity does it
[01:45] <ups> mvirkkil: set /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial
[01:46] <goo> What is the best method for installing Java on Hoary? Any of the ones on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java or are there other, better ways to do it?
[01:46] <mvirkkil> ups: Thanks. Who's idea was it to do this change just before the release. This is the absolute worst way of navigating folders ever.
[01:46] <djp> Sp4rKy: thanks
[01:46] <ups> mvirkkil: it was sabdfl's idea, and plenty has been said about it in the mailing list plus bugzilla...
[01:47] <mvirkkil> ups: Ok. I'll not rant about it then.
[01:47] <cspnico> xaw work
[01:47] <cspnico> but he record where myu movies
[01:47] <ups> mvirkkil: there's a bug open about it
[01:48] <Sp4rKy> ups, do you think it could be /apps/nautilius/start-state ?
[01:48] <ups> Sp4rKy: ec, lemme check
[01:48] <ups> s/ec/sec
[01:48] <ups> Sp4rKy: prolly not, as it is empty for me too
[01:49] <Sp4rKy> oki :(
[01:50] <cspnico> XawTV record where my movie?
[01:50] <Pizbit> Anyone else finding their sound in gnomemeeting is choppy.
[01:58] <super_dude2> help me my tool bars are gone
[01:58] <Sp4rKy> arf
[01:58] <super_dude2> pooof
[01:59] <super_dude2> completely disapperd
[01:59] <super_dude2> gone
[01:59] <super_dude2> pofda
[01:59] <ups> they definitely didnt like you :p
[01:59] <super_dude2> i know and i want them back
[01:59] <dj28> uit
[02:00] <super_dude2> i had to launch this thru terminal i fell sooooo handicaped
[02:00] <ups> system->prefs->menus & toolbars
[02:00] <DanglyBits> what is the best way to setup a remote desktop connection between ubuntu and windows client?  something like vncserver (ubuntu) and putty (windows)?
[02:01] <super_dude2> when its starting up with the login screen  i can login fine the it loads nautilus and theres no icon for toolbars when it loads how do i fix this
[02:01] <Ben2004uk> vncclient?
[02:01] <Ben2004uk> on windows
[02:01] <super_dude2> i use vnc
[02:01] <super_dude2> its good
[02:01] <DanglyBits> how do u run it?
[02:01] <ups> super_dude2: you mean in nautilus?
[02:01] <super_dude2> run ur viewer
[02:01] <Ben2004uk> exe in windows
[02:02] <Ben2004uk> connect it to machine:port
[02:02] <super_dude2> ups what?
[02:02] <Jojosan> re all
[02:02] <Jojosan> Hem, I've a problem with Ubuntu installation
[02:02] <wezzer-_> hello
[02:02] <super_dude2> www.realvnc.com
[02:03] <ups> super_dude2: your toolbar, it isnt appearing in nautilus?
[02:03] <Jojosan> my system hangs always at the same time : when the 'reading database' message appears
[02:03] <super_dude2> its not appering at all
[02:03] <Jojosan> someone has ever had that error ?
[02:03] <leptom> bye
[02:03] <Jojosan> super_dude2: ,you speak to me ?
[02:03] <DanglyBits> on other systems i've done this: putty connection from windows to linux..then start a vncserver session on linux and then start vnc client on windows...all this is now secure...are there other ways of accomplishing the same thing in ubuntu using other software?
[02:04] <super_dude2> jojosan: i had a little problem with my install when u installled did u chose to download upadates?
[02:04] <super_dude2> ups: its like it never existed
[02:05] <sadneophite> hi
[02:05] <super_dude2> ups: when it loads with the splash screend saying ubuntu loading gnome magnger thats fine but when it does nautilus the icon for the toolbar is missing
[02:06] <Jojosan> super_dude2: No, I have no 'standard internet connexion. I use a sagem f@st800 (PPPOA)
[02:06] <sadneophite> where are the x configuration files?
[02:06] <ups> super_dude2: sorry, cant understand this... "when it does nautilus the icon for the toolbar is missing" ?
[02:07] <super_dude2> yes
[02:07] <chaitatp> hi i can't ``sudo apt-get update'', can you?
[02:07] <DanglyBits> how do i restart ssh daemon?
[02:07] <Jojosan> sadneophite: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:07] <ups> sadneophite: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:07] <sadneophite> jojosan sweet thanks
[02:07] <bobxombie> hello all
[02:07] <ups> Jojosan: isnt that xorg.conf for hoary?
[02:07] <bobxombie> does the ubuntu dvd include kde packages?
[02:07] <chaitatp> the error message is sort of about gpg error and invalid signature
[02:08] <super_dude2> jojosan: well when i did my install i did downloads but they took tooo long so i canceld not know that there is a lot more intalling afterthat which it skiped
[02:08] <ups> DanglyBits: sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[02:08] <cnez0red> what's the advantage of kubuntu over ubuntu, if any?
[02:08] <Jojosan> KDE
[02:08] <Jojosan> but that's not an advantage, on my opinion
[02:08] <DanglyBits> ups:thanks
[02:08] <chaitatp> i use FVWM
[02:08] <sadneophite> jojosan , which one has the resolution settings
[02:08] <bobxombie> kubuntu?? first ive heard of this?
[02:08] <Sp4rKy> it's a mistake
[02:08] <cnez0red> Jojosan nice desktop? That's _it_ ?
[02:08] <ups> cnez0red: it just uses kde instead of gnome, thats all
[02:08] <Jojosan> KDE has a 'scrambled' past of non free
[02:09] <ajh02> hmm... during installation of Ubuntu isn't it supposed to ask you what resolution settings you may want for X?
[02:09] <cnez0red> ups I can still run most kde apps from gnome anyway can't I?
[02:09] <Jojosan> yes
[02:09] <ups> cnez0red: yeah
[02:09] <Jojosan> if th eQT lib is installed
[02:09] <Jojosan> and it must be installed, i think
[02:09] <ups> just a matter of default desktop
[02:09] <chaitatp> sure, it's about the gnome library that you can run its program in any window manager
[02:09] <ajh02> because I seem tp be stuck with 800*600 max
[02:09] <ups> (for kubuntu)
[02:09] <cnez0red> well I'm not gonna bother with KDE. On mandrake linux, I found it buggy, bloated, slow. Looked pretty but that's all.
[02:09] <Jojosan> yes, gtk
[02:09] <Jojosan> mandrake linux = bad
[02:10] <ups> cnez0red: gnome rocks :)
[02:10] <Jojosan> it's RedHat software
[02:10] <Jojosan> ups: Is it troll XD ?
[02:10] <ups> Jojosan: lol no
[02:10] <bobxombie> correction mandrake/mandriva :)
[02:10] <chaitatp> hey guy, what about my problem :D
[02:10] <cnez0red> mind you I've only got a p3 with 256 meg of ram. But that should be enough to run linux dammit.
[02:10] <Jojosan> bobxombie: it's new
[02:10] <Jojosan> cnez0red: yes
[02:10] <Jojosan> but you should then prefer fluxbox
[02:11] <Jojosan> big DE are really ram-hungruy
[02:11] <ups> cnez0red: i've got athlon 1.5GHz with 128MB...
[02:11] <super_dude2> ups: i forgot i did a little expereminting and i wen on on anothre account wit i nevr use it worked so i wnt back on mine in failsafe mode and my things came back as i left them so i reset and there still not on mine without failsafe
[02:11] <cspnico> how record the webcam piture with xawtv?
[02:11] <cnez0red> ups <-- celeron 1.1 Ghz, 256 meg.
[02:11] <bobxombie> ups,128MB video card?
[02:11] <ups> and i still manage to run gnome on it ;)
[02:11] <Jojosan> so, anyone, can you help me ? These crashes are really boring
[02:11] <yo2lux> cnez0red which desktop environment you use on p3 ?
[02:11] <Jojosan> I can't use my laptop
[02:11] <cnez0red> yo2lux gnome.
[02:12] <bobxombie> Jojosan why not?
[02:12] <Jojosan> and there's no way for me to install that damned Windows
[02:12] <super_dude2> P2 ALL THE WAY!
[02:12] <ups> bobxombie: nope, 32MB Riva TNT2
[02:12] <yo2lux> cnez0red work fast for you?
[02:12] <ups> bobxombie: 128MB RAM!
[02:12] <ups> ;)
[02:12] <bobxombie> ups ouch!  :P
[02:12] <ups> i know :)
[02:12] <Jojosan> bobxombie: because the installation process crashes when it runs aptitude (because it always hangs when I use the std install process
[02:12] <super_dude2> ups: iv got 128mb ram 400mhz P2
[02:12] <super_dude2> lol
[02:12] <cens0red> yo2lux plenty fast really. Not as quick as my win98 desktop ... but ... quick enuff.
[02:12] <Jojosan> at the 'reading database' msg
[02:13] <ups> super_dude2: ah means i'm still superior to some :D
[02:13] <cens0red> yo2lux I've recently switched to ubuntu from mandrake. Can't figure out why, but ubuntu seems alot quicker.
[02:13] <chaitatp> i don't see its quicker
[02:13] <Jojosan> super_dude2: if a debian runs on my P1 75 with X and fluxbox (24Mb ram) , it should run on anything XD
[02:13] <sadneophite> does anyone have a little experience with the usb drivers usbcore: I have an older laptop which is able to use my usb stick with a suse 9 kernel and with the 2.6 knoppix kernel but ubuntu seems to have problems
[02:13] <ups> cens0red: i felt the same (fedora to ubuntu)
[02:13] <chaitatp> , if any, shrugggg
[02:13] <bobxombie> ups, time to upgrade to that dual core 64 bit CPU, 4GB ram, 512MB dual core video card :P
[02:14] <super_dude2> ups: but so how do i fix my menus problen
[02:14] <Jojosan> sadneophite: have you tried sudo mkdir /mnt/usbstick && mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick
[02:14] <ups> bobxombie: dude, just wait a few months! and i'll kick ya all's butt! :D
[02:14] <ups> super_dude2: menus? or toolbars?
[02:14] <sadneophite> jojosan basically... tried to mount it to another directory which i mkdired
[02:14] <super_dude2> ups: both
[02:15] <cens0red> so is there any danger that kubuntu will become the norm ... that all the developers who previously worked on ubuntu will now switch to kubuntu? A schism in the ubuntu community?
[02:15] <sadneophite> jojosan getting the kernel mesgs now
[02:15] <super_dude2> ups: is there a way i can send you a screen shot?
[02:15] <sadneophite> jojosan if you want to try it out
[02:15] <chaitatp> can anyone ``sudo apt-get update''?
[02:15] <Jojosan> sadneophite: what is that message
[02:16] <sadneophite> jojosan... do I am going to private message you it
[02:16] <MrNonchalant> cens0red: doubtful, some Ubuntu developers also develop GNOME
[02:16] <chaitatp> please help T_T
[02:16] <ups> super_dude2: sure, upload it somewhere and gimme the url :p
[02:16] <super_dude2> sorry
[02:16] <ups> ah
[02:16] <ups> super_dude2: sure, upload it somewhere and gimme the url :p
[02:17] <super_dude2> ok
[02:17] <ups> chaitatp: what seems the problem?
[02:17] <chaitatp> i can't ``apt-get update'',
[02:17] <sadneophite> jojosan how to i NOT spam the channel with this 5 line message
[02:18] <ups> chaitatp: any error messages?
[02:18] <The_RedBurn> I've rebuild metacity to disable the minimize animation, now it's working but metacity takes ages to load at start up. What's wrong ?
[02:18] <chaitatp> when i try it, it just says
[02:18] <chaitatp> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[02:18] <chaitatp> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:18] <sadneophite> jojosan got it
[02:18] <ups> chaitatp: you get that when trying to apt-get update?
[02:19] <chaitatp> ups: yes
[02:19] <jacquesmerde> ok, so i've been using the ubuntu live cd for a while, and so far it just seems like my normal linux except with pre-prettified gnome (yes, i like the brown too). What can i do to experience the ubuntuness and perhaps become an ubuntu convert?
[02:19] <chaitatp> ups: also some more guys get that too, get this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26419
[02:20] <sadneophite> does anyone have a little experience with the usb drivers usbcore: I have an older laptop which is able to use my usb stick with a suse 9 kernel and with the 2.6 knoppix kernel but ubuntu seems to have problems
[02:21] <ups> chaitatp: i just tried it, and everything works fine
[02:21] <Shufla> hi
[02:21] <chaitatp> ups: thanks for trying
[02:21] <Jojosan> sadneophite: Try to plug your USB device sw else
[02:21] <chaitatp> ups: then what should i do... T_T
[02:22] <Jojosan> what is your mboard ?
[02:22] <ups> chaitatp: try again after sometime,
[02:22] <sadneophite> jojosan it is a little bit of a older laptop with only one usb slot
[02:23] <chaitatp> ups: i've been trying for 3 days.  i will keep trying, anyway T_T
[02:23] <ups> chaitatp: oh
[02:23] <ups> chaitatp: have u tried resetting to the default keys?
[02:24] <chaitatp> ups: have you read that posted message
[02:24] <chaitatp> ups: i apt-get update after the fresh installation
[02:24] <ups> chaitatp: i just noticed, sorry :)
[02:24] <chaitatp> ups: never mind, just read it now .. :D
[02:24] <chaitatp> ups: i've tried resetting to the default keys
[02:25] <cens0red> Hey I appear to have screwed up during install, and now grub can't see my windows partition. Is there a good page anywhere on manually configuring grub for dual boot?
[02:25] <ups> chaitatp: no idea then, someone else might know though
[02:25] <chaitatp> ups: thanks anyway
[02:26] <ups> cens0red: yes i believe, have u looked at ubuntuguide.org / FAQ / Wiki?
[02:26] <ajh02> can nobody here help with my screen resolution problem?
[02:26] <cens0red> ups I've looked at the guide, there's nothing about it there.
[02:26] <sadneophite> does anyone have a little experience with the usb drivers usbcore: I have an older laptop which is able to use my usb stick with a suse 9 kernel and with the 2.6 knoppix kernel but ubuntu seems to have problems
[02:26] <ajh02> just installed Ubuntu Hoary, and can only go up to 800x600 in gnome
[02:27] <ajh02> bah, I give up
[02:27] <Shufla> aaaaaaaa!
[02:28] <Shufla> i was typing solutoin for that ajh02 :(
[02:28] <sadneophite> ajh02 are you using a latop?
[02:28] <super_dude2> ups: that should be right http://www.freewebs.com/index_site/screen.jpg
[02:29] <cspnico> how i can get a movie with my webcm?
[02:30] <Xgates> well boys Ubuntu made me crazy so it was back to Slack for me, maybe later it will work a bit smoother after a few more releases :-)
[02:30] <ups> super_dude2: dude, you mean u dont have the panel?
[02:30] <super_dude2> yes
[02:31] <ups> geez, and you kept saying toolbar and menu! :p
[02:31] <cens0red> ups do u know of a good page?
[02:31] <ups> cens0red: i'm looking, moment
[02:31] <ups> super_dude2: now, did the panel just disappear?
[02:32] <cens0red> I'm wondering if this would be the right directions to follow ... http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html
[02:32] <super_dude2> ups: yea i dont know whay
[02:32] <cens0red> but that's only if your MBR is screwed up.
[02:32] <sdogi> is it common that openoffice doesn't work whatever you do in hoary?
[02:32] <sdogi> i have like reinstalled the whole kubuntu-desktop thing
[02:33] <sdogi> also deleted all the conf files from my home folder
[02:33] <sdogi> and it still gives me segamentation fault
[02:33] <super_dude2> ups:its somfing realy stupid iv done isnt it
[02:33] <sdogi> i'm thinking about downgrading already
[02:33] <ups> cens0red: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo check the grub part in it
[02:33] <sdogi> and it is not even openoffice2
[02:34] <sadneophite> does anyone know what it means when /dev/sda1 "does not exist", although usbcore is loaded
[02:34] <ups> super_dude2: did u try logging out & back in?
[02:34] <cens0red> ups thankyou!
[02:35] <super_dude2> ups:i cant i have no panles to logot from
[02:35] <sdogi> anyone using kubuntu?
[02:35] <ups> uggh
[02:35] <folta> hello all, anyone know how i configure dvi on my new monitor?
[02:35] <ups> super_dude2: well, close all apps then , and ctrl-alt-backspace
[02:35] <folta> i have it working on the vga input already
[02:35] <super_dude2> ups: i have jsut reset tho and the only way i canget the back is on my other user or failsafe mode
[02:35] <cens0red> gee this is a big chan. They probably should split it into a number of smaller ones like #ubuntu-newby #ubuntu-3rdparty etc
[02:36] <ups> super_dude2: another thing, try killall gnome-panel
[02:36] <Plexys> hello, my useraccount is unable to write to just about every directory, how do i unlock the write block?
[02:36] <Shufla> super_dude2: open terminal and type killall gnome-panel
[02:36] <SiRrUs> sdogi you may find kbuntu users in #kubuntu
[02:36] <jacquesmerde> ok, so i've been using the ubuntu live cd for a while, and so far it just seems like my normal linux except with pre-prettified gnome (yes, i like the brown too). What can i do to experience the ubuntuness and perhaps become an ubuntu convert?
[02:36] <Shufla> Plexys: which directories you need write to?
[02:36] <super_dude2> no prosess killed
[02:36] <Plexys> i wish to make a directory in /
[02:36] <ups> super_dude2: gnome-panel &
[02:37] <Shufla> Plexys: do not do that. put all your stuff in your home dir.
[02:37] <Plexys> of course, but i still wish that my system gives me access to everything :)
[02:37] <super_dude2> same thing but with a [1]  5650
[02:37] <Zhukov> :D
[02:37] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: hm. ubuntu is very consistent and has good docs. try www.ubuntu.com docs and www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:37] <Zhukov> Just stopping by to say i solved the problem
[02:37] <ups> super_dude2: no panels appear?
[02:38] <Plexys> it works fine in a root terminal, but i want to copy/paste some installation files through nautilus as well
[02:38] <super_dude2> nope
[02:38] <Shufla> Plexys: well. assume you want do gedit /thats-risky, then type command sudo gedit /thats-risky
[02:38] <Zhukov> Will write a tut, and thanks a lot everyone
[02:38] <Shufla> Plexys: try sudo nautilus then
[02:38] <ups> super_dude2: try the harsh way then, close everything & do ctrl-alt-bksp
[02:38] <jacquesmerde> Shufla, what do you mean by consistent? the docs certainly seem good, but they seem to ubuntu-specific. the docs let me solve all my problems practically, but i rarely seem to learn much
[02:39] <Plexys> oh lol, that simple. thank you, sorry to harass you with my newbieness Shufla :)
[02:39] <super_dude2> ups ok i guess ill brb then
[02:39] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: as for me ubuntu works out of the box. there are some quirks. if you are win32 convert then without little suppoort (live i mean not by net) from someone...
[02:39] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: ...more exp it will be hard. but if you are familiar with linux, ubuntu is ready for you.
[02:40] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: you have to answer critical question: what do you need from computer? then visit docs and get a clue if ubuntu is good for you.
[02:41] <super_dude2> ups: theyare still gone
[02:41] <jacquesmerde> Shufla, ubuntu definitely seems a great "out-of-the-box" distro. no denying that. though arch is quite the opposite, and i'm loving that. i'm just curious how the other half lives! once again, i DO like the brown...
[02:42] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: eh. i much better ubuntu-advocate and zealot in my native language :D
[02:42] <ups> super_dude2: hmm
[02:42] <super_dude2> up; yes hmm
[02:42] <jacquesmerde> Shufla, dont worry. zealotry knows no borders
[02:43] <ups> super_dude2: i got to go for a few mins
[02:43] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: ah,. i forgot ;) in that sentence :D
[02:43] <super_dude2> ok
[02:43] <DocUb> hmm, lots of good updates for Breezy this morning :)
[02:43] <jacquesmerde> Shufla, why do YOU use ubuntu?
[02:43] <BoneZ> How do I make so I can write in my source.list again?
[02:43] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: hehe. right now not exactly...: shufla@hardin:~> cat /etc/issue | grep Welcome
[02:43] <Shufla> Welcome to SuSE Linux 9.2 (x86-64) - Kernel \r (\l).
[02:44] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: and why i do use (@home, @servers)? 1. debian based (i know debian, i can do some packages if i need).
[02:44] <SiRrUs> DocUb where you getting breezy?
[02:44] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: 2. desktop is ready to go and it's spartan.
[02:44] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: 3. got up to dated apps, java support is not oob, but well documented
[02:45] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: 4. #ubuntu, ubuntuforums.org
[02:45] <BoneZ> What do I write in the terminal so I can change in /etc/apt/sources.list???
[02:45] <Shufla> BoneZ: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:45] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: 99. Ubuntu just fits me.
[02:46] <linux_galore> prefers   vi /etc/apt/spurces.list
[02:46] <sadneophite> BoneZ www.ubuntuguide.com
[02:46] <super_dude2> hey
[02:46] <super_dude2> ups:
[02:46] <linux_galore> aaaarrr
[02:46] <zAo^> can we put klibido in de repos's
[02:46] <super_dude2> ups:yay
[02:46] <super_dude2> ups:oh im cool
[02:46] <waxhead> hey
[02:47] <super_dude2> ups: me was typin rand things in terminal and started the pannel :)
[02:47] <waxhead> has anyone got firefox working for streaming video?
[02:47] <super_dude2> ups: i know your gone but ill wait to you r back
[02:47] <waxhead> I hvae the gplayer plugin installed, but firefox just dies
[02:47] <dcaba> somebody can install ndiswrapper in amd 64 bit
[02:47] <BoneZ> @Waxhead, Tell me if you find out
[02:48] <waxhead> BoneZ, having the same problem?
[02:48] <jacquesmerde> Shufla, if you werent already so .deb and apt proficient, what are the chances you'd still use a debian based system?
[02:48] <sadneophite> does anyone have a little experience with the usb drivers usbcore: I have an older laptop which is able to use my usb stick with a suse 9 kernel and with the 2.6 knoppix kernel but ubuntu seems to have problems
[02:49] <zAo^> dcaba, I think no1 can. Sorry
[02:49] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: 2 years waiting for sarge.
[02:49] <zAo^> sadneophite, what does dmesg say?
[02:49] <jacquesmerde> Shufla, so there is such a thing is TOO much foreplay?
[02:49] <Shufla> jacquesmerde: well. i do not understand you.
[02:49] <dcaba> ok think same
[02:49] <Shufla> (to poor en_GB skills)
[02:50] <siimo> hi anyone running openoffice.org1.9.93 manually downloaded?
[02:50] <zAo^> siimo, I run 2.0beta
[02:50] <siimo> zAo^, apt-getted or manually downloaded?
[02:50] <zAo^> siimo, apt that is :)
[02:51] <zAo^> $ apt- get install openoffice.org2
[02:51] <BoneZ> Can someone send me the original text for sources.list?
[02:51] <zAo^> mom BoneZ
[02:51] <DocUb> BoneZ, what's your e-mail?
[02:52] <DocUb> I'll send you mine
[02:52] <super_dude2> ups: back yet
[02:52] <sadneophite> zAo^ the funny thing is there is only one port
[02:53] <jacquesmerde> ubuntu should be renamed "sarge's waiting room"
[02:53] <Shufla> nope
[02:53] <DocUb> lol
[02:54] <zAo^> sadneophite, there is 1 controller that has a number of ports (intern)
[02:54] <sadneophite> zAo^ okay
[02:54] <super_dude2> iv gt2 go can somone please thank ups for me
[02:54] <sadneophite> zAo^ there is also no sda1
[02:54] <sadneophite> zAo^ which sorta bugs me
[02:55] <zAo^> sadneophite, srry I cant help you now. I have to go
[02:55] <DocUb> I renamed mine fromhoary to/window 4
[02:55] <DocUb> err
[02:55] <DocUb> sorry
[02:55] <sadneophite> zAo^thanks anyway
[02:56] <Shufla> going home, bye
[02:56] <sadneophite> does anyone have a little experience with the usb drivers usbcore: I have an older laptop which is able to use my usb stick with a suse 9 kernel and with the 2.6 knoppix kernel but ubuntu seems to have problems
[02:56] <dcaba> i can use driveloader but is free trail for 30 days
[02:57] <dcaba> somebody konw driveloader free total o similar sofware free
[02:58] <dcaba> what work with amd 64
[02:58] <Blissex> dcaba: change your wireless card to one that is directly supported...
[02:59] <dcaba> wich card is better
[02:59] <sadneophite> Blissex isthe BOMB! he gets everything to work!
[03:00] <Blissex> dcaba: depends on what you want to do, and how much you want to spend...
[03:00] <Blissex> dcaba: I have done a little personal list here, with reference to another page with similar info:
[03:00] <Blissex> dcaba: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxWiFi.html
[03:01] <Blissex> dcaba: double and triple check however that the driver is known to work in 64 bit mode.
[03:01] <dcaba> ok i going to check thank
[03:01] <sadneophite> Blissex after you are done, can you look at an dmesg for me?
[03:01] <Blissex> dcaba: BTW, trying to use a 32 bit MS Windows driver with a 64 bit kernel is a bit naive...
[03:02] <Blissex> sadneophite: you really should not address questions to specific people but be more patient... http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[03:02] <sadneophite> Blissex you are right
[03:02] <dcaba> yes but i cant install ndiswrapper in my ubuntu 64
[03:03] <BoneZ> How do I do to be able to get into my window machine through Ubuntu?
[03:03] <Blissex> dcaba: again, expecting 32 bit MS Windows drivers to work in a 64 bit kernel is quite an amusing concept.
[03:04] <Blissex> dcaba: you would need drivers for MS Windows 64, and a 64 bit version of 'ndiswrapper' or 'driverloader'. The latter is half there... But.
[03:04] <Blissex> dcaba: so the best idea is to just get a card directly supported by a Linux driver.
[03:05] <xhypno> has anyone here used the new Intel ProSet Wireless 2200bg under ubuntu?
[03:05] <dcaba> i have 64 bit version but i cant install ndiswrapper
[03:06] <sadneophite> Blissex sorry there was this guy once on a Debian help chennel, back in the years before Ubuntu back before.... and his nick was Blissex, and he really really helped me with a problem, he was so professional and knew exactly the right questions to ask and he was also from the UK...he was a IRC helpchannel god
[03:06] <dcaba> my wirelees card work with driveloader
[03:07] <BoneZ> What do I do to be able to get into my window machine through Ubuntu?
[03:07] <Blissex> sadneophite: yes, but even that Blissex wasn't uour bitch :-)
[03:07] <sadneophite> lol
[03:07] <xhypno> has anyone here used the new Intel ProSet Wireless 2200bg under ubuntu?
[03:08] <sadneophite> BoneZ more specificly?
[03:09] <SiRrUs> damm the developers dont waste any time at all :)
[03:09] <miklos> #cube
[03:09] <Koljonen> im about to replace a radeon with a geforce fx on a system that has ubuntu installed, anything i should do beforehand? :)
[03:10] <iapx> does file-roller in hoary still work with rar?
[03:10] <BoneZ> Is it possible to go onto my Windows machine without re-configuring it, with other words: haxxing/cracking the network connection with it
[03:11] <mitza> hey
[03:11] <mitza> my xmms isnt working
[03:11] <mitza> just crashes
[03:11] <ablyss> BoneZ, why not use samba?
[03:11] <iapx> uh it works
[03:12] <SiRrUs> mitza are you using esound
[03:12] <sadneophite> BoneZ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[03:12] <mitza> i dunno
[03:12] <mitza> what sould i use
[03:12] <mitza> i`m new
[03:12] <mitza> LD
[03:12] <mitza> :D
[03:12] <ablyss> mitza, open Terminal and type xmms and see what erros pop up
[03:12] <mitza> none
[03:13] <ablyss> does xmms load at all?
[03:13] <mitza> yes
[03:13] <mitza> it loads
[03:13] <ablyss> just crashes
[03:13] <mitza> but it wont play the mp3
[03:13] <ablyss> you probably dont have the mp3 libs
[03:13] <mitza> crashes at opening an mp3
[03:13] <mitza> i`ve installed http://dumnez.eu.org/~adonay/funny/balcanisme/6
[03:13] <mitza> lol
[03:14] <mitza> i mean
[03:14] <mitza> i`ve installed xmms-mad
[03:14] <SiRrUs> mitza open it go to options then preferences and just the output to esound
[03:15] <mitza> xmms-mad-Message: failed to open audio output: eSound Output Plugin 1.2.10
[03:16] <sadneophite> does anyone have a little experience with the usb drivers usbcore: I have an older laptop which is able to use my usb stick with a suse 9 kernel and with the 2.6 knoppix kernel but ubuntu seems to have problems
[03:16] <mitza> anyway the mp3 works with totem video player
[03:16] <ablyss> eww totem
[03:16] <zzyber> i musta ask this question again.....hopfully someone knowing a good answer will help me. Im on my way to install ubuntu on a laptop PII with 128Mb ram. Should i go for kernel 2.6 or some older faster flavor? What about xfree vs xorg on an older laptop? Is xfree faster?
[03:16] <intinig_> hello all
[03:18] <ablyss> mitza, download beep-media-player.. it should work just like xmms
[03:18] <bobxombie> zzyber, what laptop are you installing to?
[03:18] <ablyss> but with out crashing
[03:18] <intinig_> I installed hoary and proceeded to configure it to use fglxr instead of the usual driver. It works fine but now the desktop is larger than the screen resolution, so I have a scrolling desktop. How can I fix this?
[03:20] <sadneophite> zzyber i am typing on a PII laptop with the default configuration... it seems to be running fairly quickly...
[03:20] <rhizo> hey mates, anyone got their free Hoary disks in the mail yet ?
[03:21] <zzyber> sadneophite, good to hear, maybe i try that
[03:21] <ablyss> anybody have a suggestion on a simple but decent webcam app?
[03:21] <zzyber> bobxombie, its a dell latitude CPi
[03:21] <rhizo> ablyss: gnomeeting ?
[03:21] <mitza> isnt working
[03:21] <cens0red> Hey how do I configure ubuntu to boot up without launching X ?
[03:21] <BoneZ> What do I do to be able to get into my window machine through Ubuntu? So I'm able to go into my Window machine through the network without needing to re-configure or install anything on my Windows Machine
[03:21] <SiRrUs> well breezy is running
[03:22] <cens0red> Switch to run level something
[03:22] <zzyber> now my laptop uses XP Pro with Norton antivirus and it sucks!!!
[03:22] <sadneophite> zzyber there are however tricks
[03:22] <mitza> beep-media-player isnt working!
[03:22] <tomek> hallo - with 5.04 and firefox 1.0.2 - I'm getting the plugin install and import dialogs messed. Is that a known issue ?
[03:22] <ablyss> rhizo, i just want to put live video shots on my web .. would gnomeeting do the trick ?
[03:22] <mitza> same thing as xmms
[03:22] <sadneophite> zzyber there are however tricks I am looking through the deban documenation now
[03:22] <cens0red> BoneZ you mean just see the Windows partition?
[03:22] <mitza> at opening the mp3 it freezes
[03:22] <sadneophite> zzyber there are however tricks I am looking through the UBUNTU documenation now
[03:22] <ablyss> mitza, do you have any sound at all?
[03:23] <sadneophite> zzyber http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport
[03:23] <rhizo> ablyss: gnomeeting is vid conferencing soft, prolly has snapshot feature
[03:23] <mitza> yes man
[03:23] <ablyss> rhizo, okay thanks
[03:23] <mitza> the mp3 works with that totem player
[03:24] <sadneophite> zzyber with that it should run EVEN faster.. the desktop isn't so bad either.. just as long as you make sure that you aren't using a frambuffer..
[03:24] <BoneZ> What do I do to be able to get into my window machine through Ubuntu? So I'm able to go into my Window machine through the network without needing to re-configure or install anything on my Windows Machine
[03:24] <Myrtti> BoneZ: samba
[03:24] <Myrtti> and smbclient
[03:24] <thenuke> BoneZ: if you have file sharing enabled in windows, you dont have to touch that
[03:25] <Bandit> SiRrUs so you upgraded Hoary to Breezy?
[03:25] <SiRrUs> Bandit yep
[03:26] <Funraiser> is it easy or not to convert a RPM to a deb package? can i try or it is likely that i'll waste my time?
[03:26] <rhizo> BoneZ: do you need graphic mode login or ability to manipulate filesystem ?  vncviewer in former case, samba utils in the latter
[03:27] <wongy> Funraiser: You need the package alien and fakeroot.  Has worked for me in virtually all cases
[03:27] <SiRrUs> brb
[03:27] <Funraiser> wongy ok i'll try then, thanks
[03:27] <deFrysk> Funraiser, the javarpm converted to .deb never worked for me (just in case)
[03:28] <intinig_> I installed hoary and proceeded to configure it to use fglxr instead of the usual driver. It works fine but now the desktop is larger than the screen resolution, so I have a scrolling desktop. How can I fix this?
[03:28] <wongy> Funraiser no worries.  Just get the RPM and then "fakeroot alien package.rpm" then install the resulting .deb
[03:28] <lunitik> deFrysk: after running the .bin?
[03:29] <deFrysk> lunitik, after running the rpm.bin
[03:29] <wongy> Funraiser if you're trying to install java use java-package to convert the .bin
[03:29] <lunitik> wongy: or just chmod +x it... and run it  :/
[03:29] <Funraiser> no i'm trying to install viavoice it's an rmp package
[03:30] <lunitik> Funraiser: alien --to-deb viavoice.rpm
[03:30] <rhizo> BoneZ: i'm no absolute authority - it's better that others see my answers ( if any ) - for the sake of verity ;)
[03:30] <mitza> so any ideea?
[03:30] <deFrysk> lunitik, --to-deb is not needed
[03:30] <BoneZ> rhizo: okej
[03:31] <sadneophite> cannot mount usb disk
[03:31] <sadneophite> help
[03:31] <wongy> lunitik sure but then it doesn't show up in synaptic 8-)
[03:31] <sadneophite> does anyone have a little experience with the usb drivers usbcore: I have an older laptop which is able to use my usb stick with a suse 9 kernel and with the 2.6 knoppix kernel but ubuntu seems to have problems
[03:32] <rhizo> BoneZ: you need relevant features enabled in windows to be able to login in graphic mode ( iirc, it's called Remote Login or some such, been awhile i used microsoft products )
[03:32] <cens0red> Hey how do I configure ubuntu to boot up without launching X ?
[03:33] <BoneZ> rhizo: Ok, so there is no possibility to get into the Windows machine without enabling it?
[03:33] <rhizo> BoneZ: i also recommend establishing an ssh tunnel from localhost to vnc ports and then using vncviewer to connect to second display on localhost - that way you'll have a secure connection
[03:34] <rhizo> BoneZ: to answer your question, "no, unless it's enabled by default" ;)
[03:35] <wongy> BoneZ install tsclient with rdesktop and connect using RDP.  In Windows you need to enable Remote Logins via the Control panel / System / Remote (iirc)
[03:35] <AirWays> How many connections is maximium in this network?
[03:35] <wongy> rhizo do you mean to run SSH on the Windows machine?
[03:36] <BoneZ> rhizo: ok, thanks
[03:36] <BoneZ> wongy: ok, so there is nothing to get through the need of enabling Remote Logins?
[03:37] <wongy> BoneZ I'm pretty sure it's disabled by default...also desktops versions eg WinXP only allow one user logged in so if you use remote login the local user is booted off
[03:37] <SiRrUs> AirWays seems to be alot
[03:37] <rhizo> wongy: no, i mean to run something like:  ssh -C -L 5902:localhost:5901 remotehost  and then specifying "localhost:2" in the vncviewer connection dialog
[03:37] <AirWays> Ok
[03:38] <BoneZ> wongy So the computer I'm going into is needed to be logged out before I can get inside it without enabling anything?
[03:39] <wongy> BoneZ the user logged in just gets booted off!  WinXP has :fast user switching" so I think their apps are still running.  stretching the memory now
[03:40] <fabiand> Hello, i'm using a ati radeon 9600 (using the xorg fglrx driver) on ubuntu hoary hedgeh. .. sometimes my screen (lg l1980u, 1280x1024, 60HZ) flickers ... does someone know this .. error !?
[03:40] <Effie> !seen Spacednuts
[03:40] <Effie> !seen Spacenuts
[03:40] <BoneZ> wongy ok
[03:40] <wongy> rhizo hmmm I never knew you could do that.  does that really secure my traffic to the remote pc?!
[03:41] <Funraiser> lunitik, u mean i don't need fakeroot, I just type alien --to-deb viavoice.rpm?
[03:41] <rhizo> wongy: this is also possible the other way around to connect from win32 box to vncserver running on e.g. linux host - you can run that command in cygwin
[03:41] <shock> hello peeps! for a powerbook g4 - am I supposed to use the power4 kernels or the powerpc version?
[03:41] <wongy> rhizo well it was worth staying up tonight :-)  thanks!
[03:42] <shock> please?
[03:42] <shock> anyone?
[03:42] <wongy> rhizo  hang on you still need an sshd on the other end?
[03:42] <rhizo> wongy: do note that "localhost" in my command example is to be used literary, while "remotehost" will be the ip or domain of the remote machine ( prolly "user@remotehostname" in the case of linux box )
[03:43] <cens0red> Hey how do I configure ubuntu to boot up without launching X ?
[03:44] <wongy> cens0red stop GDM from starting
[03:44] <topyli> cens0red: easiest is probably to uninstall gdm
[03:45] <wongy> shock I would expect powerpc
[03:45] <topyli> cens0red: you can remove the init script as well, but might as well uninstall if you don't need it
[03:45] <rhizo> cens0red: you need to specify runlevel, man inittab
[03:45] <cens0red> rhizo ta.
[03:45] <jobezone> cens0red, then edit /etc/inittab accordingly
[03:45] <astro76> cens0red: change id:5:initdefault to id:3:initdefault in /etc/inittab
[03:45] <cens0red> rhizo is it init-level 1 or two that I want?
[03:46] <rhizo> cens0red: read your inittab and comment the relevant line
[03:46] <topyli> astro76: debian boots to init 3. you're talking redhat
[03:46] <astro76> ahh right
[03:46] <topyli> astro76: init 2 that is
[03:47] <wongy> rhizo I just looked in the dirs and gdm starts in 2-5 so it needs to be disabled...
[03:47] <rhizo> wongy: yes, you need sshd on the other end, how else would you login ?
[03:47] <wongy> rhizo exactly, that's why I was surprised.  What do you use on Winblows, cygwin?
[03:47] <rhizo> wongy: you can run sshd under win32 cygwin as well
[03:48] <rhizo> wongy: exactly ( i used to do this sort of thing some time back )
[03:48] <misaka> Hrm. So if I think there's a bug in kernel-package, do I report it through ubuntu or should I go straight to bugs.debian.org?
[03:48] <cens0red> astro76 what I've got in the /etc/inittab is id:2:initdefault:
[03:48] <topyli> misaka: ubuntu
[03:48] <Funraiser> wongy, lunitik ,deFrysk, Thanks
[03:49] <wongy> Funraiser no worries
[03:49] <misaka> topyli - thanks
[03:49] <topyli> misaka: don't bother the debian folks about other people's packages :)
[03:49] <shock> i am going to try and boot the power4 one in a few minutes. wish me luck. Especially regarding suspend/resume
[03:49] <rhizo> shock: best of luck :)
[03:49] <misaka> topyli - Well, I figured kernel-package comes from Debian, but then, I'm not sure what Ubuntu's changed in it ...
[03:49] <telos_> i'm running the ubuntnu live cd. it seems the wrong mouse driver has been loaded. how can i change it?
[03:50] <pixelfairy> ubuntu desktop depends on gaim
[03:50] <pixelfairy> tried to remove gaim (installed the autopackage 1.2.1)
[03:50] <pixelfairy> and it wanted to, is that just a metapackage?
[03:50] <pixelfairy> like a dependancy holder?
[03:50] <Roptaty> ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[03:51] <pixelfairy> so removing it wont break anything?
[03:52] <Roptaty> No, removing ubuntu-desktop will not break anything.
[03:54] <telos_> i'm running the ubuntnu live cd. it seems the wrong mouse driver has been loaded. how can i change it?
[03:55] <wongy> can anyone help with what the sources line should be for Internode's Hoary mirror?
[03:56] <blacksadness> hello, i'm new to ubuntu and dpkg in general can anyone tell me how can i install sth? i tried apt-get install amsn it didn't work .. what else should be done?
[03:57] <tid-wave> blacksadness: enable universe repository
[03:57] <blacksadness> how?
[03:57] <tid-wave> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[03:57] <blacksadness> ok thx
[03:57] <bobxombie> and dont forget multiverse repository :)
[03:58] <tid-wave> and then apt-get update
[03:58] <tid-wave> you can user apt-get install amsn after that
[03:58] <InitMass> is it possible to get unicode in nano?
[03:58] <MrParker> ello there
[03:59] <buz> i'm wondering what would happen upon a update to breezy?
[03:59] <buz> will my machine still be usable?
[04:00] <chaitatp> blacksadness: can you ``$ sudo apt-get update''?
[04:00] <telos_> is it possible to change the X configuration when running ubuntu live cd ?
[04:00] <chaitatp> yeah!!
[04:00] <chaitatp> telos_:
[04:00] <chaitatp> telos_: if you can't change the X conf, you can still run another X
[04:01] <chaitatp> and use your own X conf, anayway :D
[04:01] <telos_> chaitatp, my mouse cursor keeps jumping all over the place.. i guses it's not ImPS/2.. should be simkple PS/2
[04:01] <telos_> surely i can change that without needing to edit any files or accessing my hd?
[04:02] <chaitatp> telos_: just like => $ X -xf86config yourconfigfile :1
[04:02] <chaitatp> telos_: then press Ctrl+Alt+F8
[04:02] <blacksadness> chaitatp, i did an apt-setup before and i was able to apt-get update but couldn't install any packages..
[04:03] <chaitatp> blacksadness: Hmmm!
[04:03] <chaitatp> blakcsadness: let me try apt-setup first
[04:03] <chaitatp> telos_: surely you can change without editing any
[04:04] <camcorder> can I use any repo taht can be used for debian?
[04:04] <chaitatp> telos_:  just create another xorg.conf in your home dir which should be in the ramdisk, i bet
[04:05] <cikilin> why rar can not open a file?
[04:06] <Zomb> use strace
[04:06] <cikilin> before it done
[04:09] <cikilin> hello
[04:09] <Echylo> hi
[04:10] <chaitatp> blacksadness: i have just tried apt-setup
[04:10] <chaitatp> blacksadness: i get the same problem as before
[04:11] <chaitatp> blacksadness: the error message is `` W: GPG error: http://th.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[04:11] <chaitatp> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[04:11] <telos_> chaitatp, thanks i'll give it a go
[04:11] <chaitatp> telos_: it's my pleasure
[04:11] <blacksadness> i'm not getting any errors just package not found or sth..
[04:12] <chaitatp> T_T
[04:12] <blacksadness> now it worked :)
[04:12] <chaitatp> get this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26419
[04:13] <cikilin> hello
[04:13] <chaitatp> what the heck!!!!!!!!! Y_Y.... i have just moved from debian and found ubuntu is great butaaa
[04:13] <telos_> chaitatp, hmm, that command doesn't work.. X -x86config pathtoconfigfile
[04:13] <blacksadness> i had some old settings from my gentoo if i just copy them in my home dir would they work?
[04:13] <mirak> if I want the unstable versiuon I must put breezy instead of hoary, or it's not in place yet ?
[04:13] <chaitatp> telos_ what the error message
[04:14] <chaitatp> blacksadness: what's that old settings? .emacs, or something else
[04:14] <blacksadness> firefox and thunderbird
[04:14] <chaitatp> telos_: what's the error message
[04:15] <chaitatp> blacksadness: it should work, it depends on the version of firefox and thunderbird
[04:15] <telos_> chaitatp, no such thing as the -x86config option
[04:15] <blacksadness> i think the same .. i'll be updating these anyway (the gentoo was uptodate)
[04:17] <chaitatp> telos_: oops! mind you... it's $ Xorg -config yourconfigfile
[04:18] <telos_> chaitatp, but it's already running...
[04:18] <telos_> chaitatp, i just want to get it to reload the configuration...
[04:18] <cikilin> hi
[04:18] <chaitatp> telos_: nop
[04:18] <chaitatp> telos_: $ Xorg -config yourconfigfile :1
[04:19] <telos_> chaitatp, thansk.. btw, i presume PS/2 is a valid option?
[04:19] <telos_> i just removed the prefixed "Im"
[04:19] <blacksadness> thx for the help guys
[04:19] <blacksadness> see you later
[04:19] <chaitatp> PS/2 is ok
[04:20] <cikilin> hi
[04:20] <chaitatp> telos_: $ Xorg -config yourconfigfile :1
[04:20] <MrParker> :O:O
[04:20] <chaitatp> * the :1
[04:20] <iapx> I'm strongly wondering why
[04:20] <telos_> heh. grey screen... and the mouse is still borked :(
[04:21] <telos_> i copied /etc/X11/xorg.conf to ~ and changed ImPS/2 to PS/2 .. restarted it and it's messed up now
[04:21] <xukun> any one of you using GeForce4 440 go card?
[04:22] <chaitatp> telos: now that you know how to run another X with your own config file, the thing is easier
[04:24] <reagleBRKLN> i'm trying to report a bug... why do *I* have to say who's it's assigned to (the juk package). How would I know who that is?
[04:24] <chaitatp> telos: what's the type of your mouse?
[04:24] <telos_> chaitatp, the prob is that it was running in display 0
[04:24] <telos_> and i opened another display
[04:24] <dazed> sup allio
[04:24] <telos_> how can i kill displays and reattach display 0?
[04:25] <chaitatp> telos_: ah
[04:26] <chaitatp> telos_: try $ sudo killall -9 Xorg
[04:26] <chaitatp> yanni: hello yanni
[04:27] <membreya> hiya...is there a command to see what package belongs to what repo?
[04:27] <telos_> chaitatp, i've startx'd .. seems to be all right . gonna try the mouse thing again with :0
[04:27] <chaitatp> telos_: i am not sure the X will just restart immediatly after you have killed them or
[04:27] <telos_> chaitatp, yean it's fine. even the mouse works(!)
[04:28] <chaitatp> telos: with ``startx'', you mean?
[04:28] <telos_> ah no it's messed up again :p
[04:29] <telos_> how can i just reload screen 0 with a new conf
[04:29] <chaitatp> telos: what did you do with `startx'?
[04:29] <dazed> hwos everyone doing this monrin
[04:29] <podgykuma> hi there from Tokyo
[04:29] <MrParker> I'm freakin dandy
[04:29] <dazed> good good
[04:29] <telos_> chaitatp, i just ran startx from the terminal
[04:30] <telos_> chaitatp, anyway. i just want to reload X with a new conf on display  0 ...
[04:30] <chaitatp> telos: and then? what's the result?
[04:30] <podgykuma> does get wireless cards to run on ubuntu?
[04:30] <telos_> chaitatp, it just loaded up fine
[04:30] <dazed> telos_ if u have x going it wont start
[04:30] <dazed> c
[04:30] <MrParker> >_<
[04:30] <telos_> dazed, so how do i kill it ?
[04:30] <chaitatp> telos_:: that's why i tell you to kill it
[04:30] <podgykuma> cant get my melco wireless card to run at all
[04:30] <chaitatp> telos_: $ sudo killall -9 Xorg
[04:30] <telos_> chaitatp, i did that then i restarted it
[04:30] <telos_> how can i kill it nicely :p
[04:30] <dazed> telos_: ^
[04:31] <podgykuma> ne1 help?
[04:31] <MrParker> Don't killllllll
[04:31] <MrParker> only love
[04:31] <MrParker> <3<3
[04:31] <dazed> telos_: thats the nicest way then switch to console and startx
[04:31] <MrParker> you have to sudo love Xorg
[04:31] <chaitatp> MrParker: ^^"
[04:31] <MrParker> heh
[04:31] <MrParker> :P
[04:31] <podgykuma> I cant get my wireless card to work at all...
[04:31] <podgykuma> I know there's n n
[04:31] <podgykuma> ndiswrapper but
[04:31] <dazed> podgykuma: theres a great wiki on wifi casr
[04:31] <dazed> cards
[04:32] <podgykuma> wot?
[04:32] <MrParker> wiki, the only reference thingy
[04:32] <chaitatp> telos: just ``love'' it, i think it's ok to kill X
[04:32] <MrParker> :'(
[04:32] <dazed> www.ubuntu.com - wiki section - search wifi cards
[04:32] <podgykuma> h
[04:32] <podgykuma> ahhhhhh ok thanks...
[04:32] <telos_> chaitatp, can't kill it from within X ... it just gives me the login prompt again
[04:32] <iapx> hello
[04:32] <telos_> chaitatp, the gnome login prompt, that is
[04:33] <cikilin> i cant open a file with archive manager.why?
[04:33] <chaitatp> telos: that means the X has restarted
[04:33] <cikilin> before 2 days i could
[04:33] <MrParker> cikilin: what type of file?
[04:33] <dazed> telos_: switch to console (ctrl alt f1) then type 'sudo killall -9 Xorg or X i forget wich and then type startx
[04:33] <cikilin> is a movie
[04:33] <iapx> hoary still hangs when hibernating, despite I put resume=/dev/ in grub. The catch is I managed to hibernate it in warty, and now I reinstalled hoary and doesn't work anymore.
[04:33] <MrParker> cikilin: why are you trying to open a movie with archive manager?
[04:34] <chaitatp> dazed: telos has already kill X within the sort of x terminal and it just restarted immediatly after being killed
[04:34] <cikilin> invfx-robots-tc-xvid-cd1.r00 this is the type
[04:34] <dazed> chaitatp: thats cuz hes inside x when doing it
[04:34] <dazed> he needs to be in console when he does it
[04:34] <chaitatp> dazed: ah i c
[04:34] <MrParker> does archive manager support spanned rar files?
[04:34] <cikilin> i download a movie with azureus and i cant see it
[04:35] <] BreliC[> cikilin, just use unrar
[04:35] <membreya> cikilin: what do you mean "can't see it"
[04:35] <] BreliC[> from the command line
[04:35] <cikilin> it doesnt open
[04:35] <dazed>  i bet my desktop is cooler than anyone elses
[04:35] <chaitatp> telos: have you ever told me that you can't edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:35] <telos_> chaitatp, yep
[04:35] <MrParker> dazed: I DOUBT IT!
[04:36] <dazed> MrParker: or your on
[04:36] <telos_> chaitatp, that is why i need -config ~/xorg.cong
[04:36] <dazed> oh*
[04:36] <telos_> f
[04:36] <MrParker> dazed: If so, then I declare war!
[04:36] <chaitatp> telos: then do what dazed is just like
[04:36] <dazed> post screen shots lets go
[04:37] <telos_> cntrl+alt+F1 eh?
[04:37] <chaitatp> telos: CTR+ALT+F1
[04:37] <MrParker> dazed: I wasn't saying MINE was better
[04:37] <chaitatp> telos: then you will go to the virtual console with another shell
[04:37] <telos_> ok, cheers
[04:37] <MrParker> dazed: :P I was just saying I dobut that its better then anyone elses! hehe
[04:37] <telos_> catch you all later
[04:37] <chaitatp> telos: there you kill X
[04:37] <MrParker> haha
[04:37] <MrParker> appearantly he killed himself as well
[04:38] <chaitatp> seem like you are falling in luv, mrparker :D
[04:38] <MrParker> chaitatp: I'm in love with everyone
[04:38] <chaitatp> mrparker: do not include me, hah
[04:38] <dazed> MrParker: oohhh ok
[04:38] <MrParker> chaitatp: Oh, but I love you the MOST
[04:38] <dazed> i want someone to take mon
[04:38] <dazed> me* on llol
[04:39] <dazed> i want to show off my desk
[04:39] <MrParker> yeah mon
[04:39] <MrParker> yeah well uhhh
[04:39] <MrParker> my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
[04:39] <MrParker> beat that
[04:40] <] BreliC[> does using alien on VMWare rpm make a usable deb?  Or will it break the system?
[04:40] <Pluk> i used the tar
[04:40] <dazed> MrParker: mine is better than yours
[04:40] <MrParker> dazed: don't even kid yourself! :P
[04:41] <Verwilst> hellow
[04:41] <dazed> lol
[04:41] <chaitatp> you guys are using ubuntu
[04:41] <dazed> i could teach you...but id have to charge
[04:41] <chaitatp> what the heck with mine T_T
[04:41] <da_bon_bon> chaitatp: are you from india ?
[04:41] <dazed> sure are
[04:41] <chaitatp> sort of GPG error
[04:41] <chaitatp> da_bon_bon i am from thailand
[04:41] <dazed> http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs24&d=05155&f=desktop2.jpg --- my desktop owns all
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> chaitatp: ya, sorry, my bad, didnt check :(
[04:42] <chaitatp> da_bon_bon: why do you think that, anyway?
[04:42] <chaitatp> it's ok :D
[04:42] <Verwilst> if you type a text, then select a piece of it, then click somewhere else, and press the scrollwheel, the text isn't pasted :(
[04:42] <Verwilst> is this typical for gnome?
[04:42] <Verwilst> in kde it still pastes it
[04:42] <chaitatp> it still can
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> chaitatp: your name looked like indian
[04:42] <dazed> Verwilst: it has to be kinda wierd...theres some rules
[04:42] <Verwilst> dazed, it's not weird, it's annoying ;)
[04:43] <chaitatp> da_bon_bon: :D... many thai names root from sansakrit and pali
[04:43] <Verwilst> dazed, it's just fine in a terminal
[04:43] <dazed> teh text box has to be clear before you press scroll wheel and if u erase stuff then the temporary paste gets erased
[04:43] <MrParker> dazed: that gave me a seizure
[04:43] <da_bon_bon> dazed: dude, which one ? kde or gnome ?
[04:43] <dazed> da_bon_bon: gnome--fluxbox
[04:43] <chaitatp> da_bon_bon i think both
[04:44] <dazed> im anti kde actually
[04:44] <dazed> i got sick of that after knoppix
[04:44] <chaitatp> da_bon_bon: i can use that, anyway, ok with some rule dazed stated
[04:44] <Verwilst> dazed, can't i enable it?
[04:44] <da_bon_bon> dazed: gnome-fluxbox ? wtf is /that/ ?
[04:44] <Verwilst> dazed, kde has some GREAT features that gnome doesn't have
[04:44] <dazed> da_bon_bon: i use gnome...but fluxbox wm
[04:44] <chaitatp> oh dear! i use FVWM
[04:44] <dazed> Verwilst: maybe so i never saw them ^_
[04:44] <da_bon_bon> dazed: how is that possible ?
[04:45] <Verwilst> like the text-copy and selection
[04:45] <Verwilst> and in an editor, you select a piece of text, and you can comment it all in once from the menu
[04:45] <Arnia> Text-copy and selection?
[04:45] <dazed> da_bon_bon: fluxbox is a window manager ...and it runs instead of gnome desktop..im using GDM and gnome desktop utilities but i run fluxbox as my window manager
[04:45] <MrParker> who wants to teach me about linux?
[04:45] <Verwilst> you select a piece of text, click where you want to paste it, and press the scrollwheel
[04:45] <MrParker> dazed: teach me
[04:45] <Pluk> txtcopy and selection isnt that an X thinkgy instead of gnome or kde?
[04:45] <Verwilst> this doesn't work
[04:45] <da_bon_bon> dazed: so at login u select fluxbox not gnome, huh ?
[04:45] <chaitatp> MrParker: i want u to use FVWM
[04:45] <dazed> yep yep in my sessions list
[04:46] <Verwilst> Pluk, yeah.. gnome just mis-implemented it :p
[04:46] <MrParker> chaitatp: I dont know how
[04:46] <cnez0red> MrParker I guess there's no chance of you being female, good looking, rich, and about 21?
[04:46] <MrParker> chaitatp: I'm a NOOOB
[04:46] <Arnia> Verwilst: Yeah, can do commenting from Vim (which uses pango on Gnome so you get excellent typography)
[04:46] <Pluk> ah ok :) running xfce here so cant check :)
[04:46] <MrParker> yes I'm MrParker the female
[04:46] <dazed> you can download the package of fluxbox with synaptic...does all the hard work for you but i suggest compling your self you get a lot better feel for the program
[04:46] <Arnia> Verwilst: Er, misimplemented how?
[04:46] <chaitatp> MrParker: skinny?
[04:47] <MrParker> chaitatp: why?
[04:47] <dazed> i think he was kidding about being femal;e
[04:47] <dazed> god you guys need some girls aorun
[04:47] <MrParker> it was a little thing I like to call sarcasm
[04:47] <chaitatp> i bet there's no a girl in the computer world
[04:47] <MrParker> dazed: I just searched synaptic for fluxbox but I didnt find it
[04:47] <chaitatp> especially there's no ``a girl'' in linux world
[04:47] <poningru> how do you refresh your internet connection?
[04:47] <Arnia> I know lots of excellent female computer scientists
[04:48] <MrParker> chaitatp: My GF is a nerd, so there is at least one
[04:48] <dazed> chaitatp: thats not true myrttii or however you spell it comes on late nights shes from the netherlands really cool
[04:48] <poningru> ada byron
[04:48] <dazed> MrParker: one sec let me try
[04:48] <Myrtti> FINLAND
[04:48] <Arnia> poningru: Most famous, and first, of all :)
[04:48] <Arnia> First programmer too
[04:48] <poningru> exactly
[04:48] <chaitatp> :D
[04:48] <dazed> Finland
[04:48] <dazed> my bad
[04:48] <Myrtti> don't forget Grace Hopper
[04:48] <chaitatp> wow
[04:48] <dazed> :)
[04:48] <poningru> now what about my question?
[04:49] <chaitatp> lol
[04:49] <dazed> MrParker: "sudo apt-get install fluxbox" in term should do it for you
[04:49] <Myrtti> your question was?
[04:49] <Myrtti> (dammit I hate my hair)
[04:49] <Myrtti> yes, go on
[04:49] <dazed> haha
[04:49] <poningru> mica
[04:49] <poningru> stop it
[04:50] <chaitatp> hullo Myrtti, just to say hi with a nerd girl
[04:50] <MrParker> E: Couldn't find package fluxbox
[04:50] <chaitatp> (l)__(l)
[04:50] <dazed> shes smarter than most of us inehre too
[04:50] <poningru> how do you refresh your internet connection?
[04:50] <dazed> MrParker: are u on warty or hoary?
[04:50] <Myrtti> that reminds me of installing Java so I can start refreshing my Java programming skills
[04:50] <chaitatp> poningru: sudo dhclient
[04:50] <MrParker> hoary
[04:50] <poningru> ah thnx
[04:50] <dazed> and ur sources are all enabled?
[04:51] <MrParker> Myrtti: Don't do that! Java is bad for you.
[04:51] <dazed> Java is fun
[04:51] <MrParker> *shudder*
[04:51] <Myrtti> MrParker: I was foolish enough to choose programming as my major
[04:51] <chaitatp> Myrtti: and you casn't find Java in Starbuck
[04:51] <MrParker> Myrtti: Well programming is okay, Java is not :P
[04:51] <Myrtti> though I'm thinking of changing it to Network solutions and Cisco
[04:51] <dazed> MrParker: goto www.debian.org -> dev or unstable packages section -> window managers section -> and download fluxbox 0.9.11 package
[04:52] <MrParker> Myrtti: I went to school for network engineering, most boring thing ever
[04:52] <Myrtti> hmmmm. I want raspberry soda water
[04:52] <thepeacemaker> hello.  anybody know if gstreamer-faad will make it's way into the ubuntu repositories?  anybody else hear listen to their itunes music in linux?
[04:52] <dazed> speaking of computers...i got computer class in 10
[04:52] <frankgrimes> does ubuntu configure X programs to use larger fonts by default?
[04:53] <Blissex> frankgrimes: larger than what? The speed of an unladen swallow? :-)
[04:54] <dazed> frankgrimes: i dont think ubuntu configures x to...but i think ubuntu naturally has bigger fonts
[04:54] <MrParker> dazed: Thanks :)
[04:54] <chaitatp> hey! i have a problem
[04:54] <da_bon_bon> dazed: how did u get irssi to integrate onto the desktop ?
[04:54] <GnuKemist> can someone help me out with my ipw2200 wireless card?  I can't get an IP to be associated
[04:54] <chaitatp> i can't ``apt-get update'' T_T stilllll
[04:54] <Verwilst> got to run!
[04:54] <dazed> MrParker: btw your going to need to get some help configgin  your fluxbox and there is a great chat #fluxbox im always there :)
[04:54] <frankgrimes> dazed: how do I get programs to use smaller fonts?  My screen resolution is smaller and things trail off screen
[04:54] <chaitatp> the error messages are Reading package lists... Done
[04:54] <chaitatp> W: GPG error: http://th.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[04:54] <chaitatp> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[04:54] <Dcahrakos> whats the easiest way to uninstall an app that I built and installed from source?
[04:55] <Zomb> apt-get remove packagename
[04:55] <chaitatp> # make uninstall
[04:55] <dazed> da_bon_bon: i use aterm with transparent window and i take off window decorations from fluxbox so it looks as if its integrated when its not !!! god im sneaky
[04:55] <dazed> alright folks see you an about 15 i have to make an appearance at cs201
[04:56] <Myrtti> da_bon_bon: someone uses eterm for that
[04:56] <thepeacemaker> Dcahrakos, there's no easy way unless the authors did a make uninstall.  that's why i use checkinstall
[04:56] <chaitatp> seem like you guys don't have any problem about ``apt-get update''
[04:56] <Myrtti> at cs201?
[04:57] <SeamusLP> Have any of you guys used pymusique?  Some of the bad press it's getting is absolutely ridiculous.
[04:57] <SeamusLP> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/31/technology/circuits/31POGUE-EMAIL.html?ex=1113710400&en=22fa54785f2356bf&ei=5070
[04:57] <chaitatp> thepeacemaker  what the task does checkinstall do
[04:57] <da_bon_bon> Myrtti, dazed: ok
[04:58] <Myrtti> though I think that dazeds idea is the best
[04:58] <GnuKemist> I need help getting an IP assigned to my wireless card...  the card shows up and all but I just can't get an IP assigned to it...  tried 2 different access points too
[04:58] <thepeacemaker> instead of make install, you just enter checkinstall and it'll make a .deb for you that you can cleanly uninstall
[04:58] <Myrtti> and I think that that eterm thing is basically the same
[04:58] <] BreliC[> has anyone here installed VMware 5?
[04:58] <SuperQ> ok.. so I can't seem to find an easy way to add a TTF font file to xorg
[04:58] <djm62> GnuKemist: have you run dhclient?
[04:58] <GnuKemist> djm62 yup
[04:58] <thepeacemaker> chaitatp, AFAIK, checkinstall is in one of the ubuntu repositories
[04:59] <chaitatp> SuperQ: just copy them to the write place
[04:59] <djm62> GnuKemist: are you using WEP? Should you be?
[04:59] <SuperQ> chaitatp: ok.. I copied the ttf file to /etc/X11/fonts/misc
[04:59] <SuperQ> chaitatp: and I even restarted X (gdm)
[04:59] <Arnia> SuperQ: ~/.fonts
[04:59] <SuperQ> chii: I don't see it in the list
[04:59] <Arnia> They show up immediately
[04:59] <GnuKemist> djm62 at home I use wep... and the second place at work does it too
[04:59] <folta> hey everyone. i've had a problem for a while with my wireless internet connection - i can only connect erratically. the signal strength is ok, and all the windows computers don't have the problem, so i don't think it's the router. anyone got an idea what's up? it just sticks on the 'activating 'ra0' dialogue for ages, then comes up as actiive without  actually  connecting
[04:59] <chaitatp> SuperQ: then?
[04:59] <frankgrimes> anybody know how to get programs to use smaller fonts? (beyond just the gnome ones)
[04:59] <MrParker> we should have an unbuntu karaoke night.
[04:59] <SuperQ> Arnia: so just mkdir ~/.fonts/ ?
[04:59] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist:  Have you tried selecting a specific access point?
[05:00] <SuperQ> Arnia: and put it in there?
[05:00] <GnuKemist> folta got the same problem here
[05:00] <Arnia> SuperQ: If it doesn't already exist. Yes. fontconfig searches for fonts and links to fonts and folders and links to folders (recursively) to find fonts
[05:00] <folta> but when it _does_ connect, it does so straight away, almost
[05:00] <graabein> crimsun, hi! do you have the time to pick up on where we left off yesterday? nvidia card problem?
[05:00] <GnuKemist> folta different device for me though...  eth1
[05:00] <Dcahrakos> ok, so neither of those worked for uninstalling, well, what other options are there? all I can think of is deleting the folder, but its in usr/local/caudium and it wont let me
[05:00] <Arnia> SuperQ: No need to restart
[05:00] <djm62> GnuKemist: have you went to menu System->Administration->Networking, and put in values you know to be correct?
[05:01] <SuperQ> Arnia: now do I envoke fontconfig?
[05:01] <GnuKemist> djm62 yup... via the gui and command line
[05:01] <GnuKemist> djm62 iwconfig shows all the right info
[05:01] <djm62> GnuKemist: and can your card see the AP?
[05:01] <GnuKemist> djm62 yes
[05:02] <djm62> is the AP configured correctly? Does it like your MAC address?
[05:02] <SuperQ> there we go.. I found it!
[05:02] <Arnia> SuperQ: Its invoked automatically
[05:02] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist:  Curious.  Have you tried using your card on a non-wep access point?
[05:02] <Arnia> Its a smart system that runs automatically
[05:02] <SuperQ> Arnia: thanks!
[05:02] <folta> djm62 i seem to have the same problem apart from the device  being diofferent
[05:02] <Arnia> np
[05:02] <GnuKemist> djm62 my home ap even filters by the mac so it should be ok
[05:03] <djm62> does it work if you turn off wep on your home AP?
[05:03] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP unfortunately not yet
[05:03] <GnuKemist> djm62 didn't try that yet... am not at home atm
[05:03] <folta> djm62, i wasn't using wep until today, and i seem to get the same incidence of the problem
[05:04] <djm62> GnuKemist: having set up iwconfig, try running dhclient eth1, to see what point it fails at
[05:04] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist, folta:  WEP is incredibly insecure, can be cracked in under 5 minutes...
[05:04] <GnuKemist> djm62 folta it is almost as if dhclient fails
[05:04] <djm62> run dhclient manually...it may tell you why
[05:05] <GnuKemist> djm62 tried it ... lemme check what the final message says
[05:05] <GnuKemist> djm62 no working leases in persistent database
[05:05] <djm62> SeamusLP: wireless insecurity is a nonissue to me...the paradigm for any secure stuff /assumes/ the wire is being tapped anyway :-/
[05:06] <Dcahrakos> do all I have to do to upgrade warty to hoary is change the repositories, from warty to hoary, then mark all upgrades?
[05:06] <SeamusLP> djm62, indeed
[05:07] <chaitatp> why i can't apt-get update T_T
[05:07] <snowblink> where I can I read about the Ubuntu way of compiling a kernel?
[05:07] <chaitatp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26419   please help
[05:07] <djm62> GnuKemist: that's a new one on me, that error
[05:08] <Deviad> Hey guys dropped the top pannel applet on the right
[05:08] <Deviad> and I can't put it again on the top
[05:08] <Deviad> can you plz help me?
[05:08] <GnuKemist> djm62 hummmm
[05:08] <realrasta> is there a difference between the install the live hoary image is running and the version I install from the install cd?
[05:08] <Deviad> Where do I have to click the tab to bring it back on the top?
[05:09] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist:  If you're using a laptop, maybe you can find more information in the ubuntu laptop section of the wiki
[05:09] <realrasta> my touchpad is working in the live image but isnt in the installed version from the install cd
[05:09] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist:  There's a rather large database of laptops and issues they have
[05:09] <djm62> GnuKemist: google that error message text, and linux
[05:09] <folta> djm62, it seems to have connected in my absence!
[05:09] <djm62> folta: vive la timeout ;)
[05:10] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP will do that...  thanx
[05:10] <chaitatp> Myrtti: help me please
[05:10] <djm62> SeamusLP: does "lease database" not sound server-ish to you?
[05:10] <folta> djm62,  i don't really want to deliberately break it again, but what could it be?
[05:10] <GnuKemist> djm62 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5745.html
[05:10] <chaitatp> Myrtti: seem like you are a kind girl with gut
[05:10] <Zotnix> http://www.google.com/linux  is your friend as well.
[05:10] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Not at all, that doesn't seem like a likely error message
[05:10] <Myrtti> chaitatp: whaaa
[05:11] <Myrtti> sorry, was taking old nail polish off
[05:11] <Deviad> Can you help me with my lame trouble?
[05:11] <Deviad> I can't move the applet on the top with the browser and evolution icons
[05:11] <djm62> "no working leases in persistent database" <--client doesn't need to have a database
[05:11] <Deviad> from the right back to the top
[05:11] <Deviad> ^^
[05:11] <Deviad> cos the icons are very very big
[05:12] <Deviad> and there isn't free space where to click
[05:12] <Deviad> ^^
[05:12] <GnuKemist> djm62 so what you're saying is that dhclient is looking for the ip in the laptop itself?
[05:12] <chaitatp> Myrtti: ^^ help me please
[05:12] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Hmmm perhaps the AP is running some database?
[05:12] <chaitatp> Myrtti: i can't ``apt-get update''
[05:12] <Myrtti> chaitatp: sorry, can't. I'm too newbie for that
[05:12] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP djm62 not sure what they have here at work but at home I have the Linksys wireless router
[05:13] <djm62> SeamusLP: it's keeping a dhcp table, linking MACs to IPs...but I've never seen problems with it before
[05:13] <chaitatp> Myrtti: thanks anyway, ``Chuu.... >x<''
[05:13] <djm62> seems like the sort of thing that would be foolproof...unless that's AP talk for "too many simultaneous connections"
[05:13] <folta> i have this edimax router
[05:14] <SeamusLP> Yeah I was thinking either too many connections or can't find the MAC address in the database
[05:14] <GnuKemist> djm62 maybe a good ol' flush of the router tables could do the trick at home???  But here at work....
[05:14] <djm62> SeamusLP: MAC can always be spoofed, if that's the problem ;)
[05:15] <decon> Hey I wanna know if I can connect my S700i with bluetooth in ubuntu :)?
[05:15] <sadneophite> does anyone have a little experience with the usb drivers usbcore: I have an older laptop which is able to use my usb stick with a suse 9 kernel and with the 2.6 knoppix kernel but ubuntu seems to have problems
[05:15] <SeamusLP> Never tried myself, but I hear it's not difficult.
[05:16] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Are you dual booting?
[05:16] <SeamusLP> err gnukemist I mean
[05:16] <djm62> SeamusLP: not for many years
[05:16] <Paradiossina> anybody knows how to uninstall compiled mplayer-1.0pre6a?!
[05:16] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP nope...  100 % Ubuntu laptop
[05:16] <djm62> (this room makes things seem more difficult...self-selected groups and all that)
[05:17] <chaitatp> # make uninstall , Paradiossina
[05:17] <smallfoot-> HELLO ALL PEOPLE
[05:17] <djm62> Paradiossina: or find it in /usr/local/ and rm
[05:17] <smallfoot-> PLZ HELP MY
[05:17] <djm62> smallfoot-: small letters as well, please!
[05:17] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:17] <smallfoot-> i find a website
[05:17] <smallfoot-> it says i can get ubuntu cd for free
[05:17] <smallfoot-> to my home without pay nothing!!
[05:17] <smallfoot-> but i want ubuntu to run without install it, because i cant put it in my computer, because i haev windows xp!!!!!! PLZ WHAT IM CAN DO?????
[05:17] <djm62> yep :)
[05:18] <chaitatp> Paradiossina: also don't forget to `` rm -rf /usr/local/lib/codecs'' if any
[05:18] <djm62> you can run the livecd
[05:18] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist:  I take it you never tried windows on that laptop on those particular AP?
[05:18] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP you be right... ;)  Just received the laptop last night...  opened and popped the Ubuntu CD right in
[05:18] <smallfoot-> djm62, if i order the cd from here http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[05:18] <smallfoot-> djm62m, is it live cd?
[05:19] <astro76> smallfoot-: it comes with both
[05:19] <djm62> smallfoot-: ubuntu is probably best installed, but there is also an ubuntu livecd
[05:19] <smallfoot-> astro76, it come with 2 cd or 1 cd with both in the cd??
[05:19] <smallfoot-> but i want live cd
[05:19] <astro76> smallfoot-: one live cd, and one install cd
[05:19] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist:  I want you to at least try it without WEP
[05:19] <MaxeyPad> how do I do a bare install of hoary
[05:19] <MaxeyPad> for a server
[05:19] <djm62> (btw, does ubuntu resize NTFS when installing?)
[05:20] <snowblink> MaxeyPad, type server at the boot prompt
[05:20] <thepeacemaker> smallfoot-, it comes with both.  a cd for install and a live cd
[05:20] <smallfoot-> astro76, ok
[05:20] <smallfoot-> but i only want live cd
[05:20] <MaxeyPad> thanks, I couldn't remember if it was custom or server
[05:20] <smallfoot-> also how can this be free??
[05:20] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP I can do it but it will have to be later in the evening when I ger back home
[05:20] <smallfoot-> who pay for the cd if i dont
[05:20] <djm62> smallfoot-: it's a goodwill thing
[05:20] <MaxeyPad> smallfoot-: funding sir
[05:20] <snowblink> MaxeyPad, I believe it says on the message
[05:20] <smallfoot-> so i will not goto jail?
[05:20] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP but you see, I have the same problem here at work too
[05:20] <thepeacemaker> smallfoot-, it's free because a lot of people donate
[05:20] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:20] <thepeacemaker> smallfoot-, and because they want more people to use it
[05:20] <smallfoot-> dont the guy who make buntu keep the money to himself instead give free cd?
[05:20] <Paradiossina> mmm chaitatp: removed everything except but
[05:20] <Paradiossina> /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[05:20] <Paradiossina> make: *** [uninstall]  Error 2
[05:20] <thesamet> How can I find out which packages were installed by ubuntu installer and which by me?
[05:21] <Paradiossina> dunno what's that
[05:21] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist: Perhaps you should verify they have you in their MAC address table?
[05:21] <thepeacemaker> smallfoot-, ubuntu isn't about making money
[05:21] <smallfoot-> does ubuntu work on 386 computer from 10 yars olt?
[05:21] <membreya> 386? lol
[05:21] <thepeacemaker> smallfoot-, 386??
[05:21] <smallfoot-> yes
[05:21] <smallfoot-> plz
[05:21] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP they don't filter macs here at work
[05:21] <thepeacemaker> prolly not
[05:21] <smallfoot-> oh sheet
[05:21] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP however, I do at home
[05:21] <smallfoot-> what computers need ubnutu?
[05:22] <folta> smallfoot-, are you sure it's not a 486? that would work... very slowly
[05:22] <chaitatp> Paradiossina: i have got that error message too.  Can you run ``mplayer'' now? after you ``make uninstall' withthat error message
[05:22] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:22] <unperson> Hi.  I was considering trying to upgrade to hoary using synaptic.  I'm sure people here must have tried it.  How were the results?
[05:22] <djm62> smallfoot-: keep the install cd, or give it to someone...you can still have the livecd, or even copy it and pass it on
[05:22] <smallfoot-> mine brother have pentirum 150
[05:22] <smallfoot-> i want run ubnutu in it
[05:22] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist Damn.  Gotta be that wep key.  Have you tried searching for your wireless card / linux on google?
[05:22] <unperson> Sorry, I mean upgrade from Warty.
[05:22] <Paradiossina> chaitatp, I can't
[05:22] <da_bon_bon> whats the best way to COMPETLTELY remove gnome from ur sys ?
[05:22] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP very weird, right?  Yeah, I spent a good amount of time "googling" for it
[05:22] <smallfoot-> why is a blak man in website in unbut???
[05:23] <chaitatp> Paradiosiina: i bet you have already uninstalled it.  There might me some bug from mplayer.hu
[05:23] <djm62> smallfoot-: because ubuntu is from africa
[05:23] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:23] <thepeacemaker> da_bon_bon, do it through synaptic
[05:23] <Jesterace> unperson, that's how I always installed hoary, I upgraded from warty and it does fine
[05:23] <smallfoot-> then how it can be good?
[05:23] <chaitatp> Paradiosiina: i also have got the same error as you
[05:23] <smallfoot-> i thought africa was no comptuers and tv
[05:23] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP and I had spoken to one of the Ubuntu developers who told me the X40 was VERY compatible with Ubuntu...
[05:23] <djm62> smallfoot-: because the bits of ubuntu are from all over the world
[05:23] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:23] <da_bon_bon> thepeacemaker: but i remove which package ?
[05:23] <unperson> Jesterace:  Any idea if there's much difference between that and what you get using the install CD?  (besides, obviously, keeping all your files and settings.
[05:23] <Sophistication> smallfoot-, that was a very trolling question.
[05:23] <SeamusLP> smallfoot:  I think you have a rather presumptious view of africa.  They have the internet, and computers, and television.
[05:24] <djm62> smallfoot-: Bits of Africa are moving forward very quickly
[05:24] <membreya> djm62: the bits that have a car? :P
[05:24] <thepeacemaker> especially south africa which is becoming very modern
[05:24] <Jesterace> unperson, well, I've installed from an hoary cd as well and I really didn't find much of a difference other than xorg needed a bit of configuration after the install since warty uses xfree86
[05:25] <unperson> Right.
[05:25] <giskard> hi
[05:25] <unperson> Jesterace:  Ok, thanks.  I'm still debating what to do.
[05:25] <giskard> there is a ubuntu-universe channel
[05:25] <Jesterace> no prob
[05:25] <giskard> where "developer" work?
[05:25] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP djm62 well, got to back to work...  thank you for trying
[05:25] <Jesterace> however I've only installed hoary off the cd as a fresh install
[05:26] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP djm62 later
[05:26] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist:  Post on the forums, maybe they can help
[05:26] <SeamusLP> GnuKemist http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:26] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP will do...  :)
[05:26] <unperson> I've never found a really good way to upgrade using an install CD.  Usually my /home is a different partition, but I can't just replace the /home created by the install, because sometimes there are settings in the hidden directories that you want.
[05:26] <SeamusLP> slower response but wider audience :)
[05:26] <GnuKemist> SeamusLP hehehe...  I will do that
[05:26] <Sophistication> anyone know of a nice person to person live auction software?
[05:27] <thesamet> Is there a way to distinguish between packages that were installed by me or by ubuntu installer?
[05:27] <thesamet> another thing, is there away to see if a package is installed only because it is a dependency?
[05:27] <Paradiossina> chaitatp, now i'm trying to grab it from Marillat, but seems I have too old versions of: libfontconfig, libvorbis, so it won't install
[05:27] <Jesterace> unperson, but if you were to do the upgrade it'll be smooth, i've never had any problems going from warty to hoary and i've done it several times in the past
[05:27] <unperson> Jesterace:  Oh, I assumed that was all the CD did.  Does the CD have a seperate upgrade option?
[05:27] <djm62> thesamet: aptitude does intelligent stuff like that
[05:27] <Jesterace> unperson, o
[05:27] <astro76> giskard: are you looking for #ubuntu-devel ?\
[05:27] <Jesterace> i'm not sure
[05:27] <Jesterace> i never tried to upgrade from cd :P
[05:27] <djm62> I'm not sure if synaptic uses aptitude or apt-get...anyone?
[05:28] <folta> hm, i just did an xresprobe nvidia and got all blanks in the output
[05:28] <thepeacemaker> djm62, synaptic uses apt-get AFAIK
[05:28] <unperson> thesamet:  Synaptic will show you which packages depend on a given one, I beleive.
[05:28] <folta> is there some other way of reprobing the monitor i have?
[05:28] <smallfoot-> is ubnutu based on debian?
[05:28] <Delgul> yes
[05:28] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:28] <giskard> astro76, nono, i remember a *-universe where people involved in universe irc
[05:28] <astro76> smallfoot-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
[05:28] <smallfoot-> ubnutu is better than debian?
[05:28] <giskard> astro76, btw ubuntu-motu
[05:29] <thepeacemaker> thesamet, you can create a custom filter to search for package that don't have unbuntu in the string
[05:29] <thepeacemaker> smallfoot-, ubuntu isn't better, it's just different
[05:29] <giskard> bye
[05:29] <Delgul> smallfoot: It is not a matter of 'better'. Ubuntu is aimed more at the desktop...
[05:29] <djm62> smallfoot-: ubuntu is friendlier than debian, debian is probably more stable than ubuntu
[05:29] <chaitatp> more stable with more problem about sound system?
[05:30] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:30] <smallfoot-> ubnutu is better than windwos xp??
[05:30] <djm62> chaitatp: I mean, debian is more thoroughly tested...they've been testing sarge since before ubuntu existed ;)
[05:30] <chaitatp> oh dear!
[05:30] <Bazzi> you cannot compare that
[05:30] <unperson> Jesterace:  Well, heck.  I guess I'll try the apt-get/synaptic upgrade path.  If that doesn't work, then I can always do a fresh install I guess.
[05:31] <folta> smallfoot-, get a cd and decide for yourself...
[05:31] <chaitatp> i agree with Bazzi
[05:31] <djm62> when sarge is released, it will be out-of-date, but bulletproof :)
[05:31] <unperson> smallfoot-:  It really depends on what you want from it.
[05:31] <Lassen> How I can install WINEHQ withSynaptic .56??
[05:31] <unperson> smallfoot-:  But for me, yes.
[05:31] <djm62> smallfoot-: for me, no contest
[05:31] <folta> smallfoot-, do you not have speed problems on a pentium 150 with windows xp?
[05:31] <djm62> (but you are in #ubuntu)
[05:32] <unperson> smallfoot-:  But I agree with folta.  Try it and see.  You can even try the Live CD, which is no risk.  You just restart afterward and you have your old system back, untouched.
[05:32] <chaitatp> smallfoot: it's like i use any distro of linux because it's kindof unix and it's my nature
[05:32] <chaitatp> born to be
[05:32] <chaitatp> i mean
[05:32] <Jesterace> heh i can't picture xp on a pentium 150
[05:32] <cnez0red> bbiab
[05:32] <chaitatp> i feel it's quite difficult to move cursor all the time
[05:33] <Delgul> Smallfoot: I use it as my desktop system. I love the way it works and things integrate. Good hardware recognition too (think usb sticks, printers etc). But for all my servers I use Debian sarge... so you see... it is a matter of choosing the right tool for the job!
[05:33] <dazed> whose still around
[05:33] <unperson> smallfoot-:  But remember, the Live CD version will be slow, because your CD ROM is probably a lot slower than your hard drive.  An installed version will be faster.  Just keep that in mind.
[05:33] <smallfoot-> can i run ubnutu in computer without hardisk?
[05:33] <Delgul> yes
[05:33] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:33] <unperson> smallfoot-:  Yes, with the live CD.
[05:33] <smallfoot-> xp cannot run from cd
[05:34] <smallfoot-> ubnutu is better
[05:34] <djm62> I like Free software, the fact that unix is da bomb is a happy coincidence really
[05:34] <Timbo> so um, here's a question
[05:34] <Delgul> XP sucks...every Linux distro is better LOL
[05:34] <Timbo> i just put ubuntu on a new box
[05:34] <Timbo> without a soundcard
[05:34] <dazed> smallfoot-: actually i think xp does have a form of a live cd
[05:34] <dazed> but still sucks
[05:34] <unperson> smallfoot-:  There might also be some way to boot up via the network.  But I don't know that stuff.
[05:34] <Timbo> if i go out and buy a soundcard
[05:34] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:34] <Timbo> put it in etc
[05:34] <djm62> um...how much memory does the livecd need?
[05:34] <Timbo> will it "just work"?
[05:34] <Sophistication> dazed, http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
[05:34] <djm62> will it boot in 64M?
[05:34] <dazed> djm62: not much
[05:35] <unperson> djm62:  I think they say 128 MB.
[05:35] <Delgul> ouch 64M is not much
[05:35] <unperson> djm62:  But I could be wrong.
[05:35] <dazed> 64 mb of ram?
[05:35] <dazed> upgrade mAN!!!
[05:35] <djm62> 64M in machines like that isn't uncommon
[05:35] <dazed> its 2005
[05:35] <sdogi> i only have 32mb ram
[05:35] <dazed> ahhh!
[05:35] <Delgul> Use a floppy distro then :-)
[05:35] <dazed> do you guys use your computers for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING besides documents
[05:36] <folta>   sdogi, are you using a gui?
[05:36] <sdogi> yes
[05:36] <sdogi> fluxbox
[05:36] <Timbo> anyone?
[05:36] <dazed> thats insane
[05:36] <dazed> sdogi flux owns
[05:36] <djm62> we're all telling him to get the livecd, but even free is bad value if it doesn't work
[05:36] <SeamusLP> Hey has anyone managed to install pymusique?
[05:36] <chaitatp> fvwm is great
[05:36] <smallfoot-> i have 8 mb ram
[05:36] <dazed> sdogi: http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs24&d=05155&f=desktop2.jpg --- my fluxbxo
[05:36] <kahuna_> Hi. I'm building a kernel package. What's the correct arch config for Athlon XP 2400+? 686 or k7?
[05:37] <Delgul> If you need a distro that runs in 64 Mb, check out http://bengross.com/smallunix.html. Ubu is not your thing then...
[05:37] <smallfoot-> lol
[05:37] <djm62> dazed: mp3s, watching films, bit of design, trying to help develop a jabber client...everything is a file: they're all documents of some kind ;)
[05:37] <sdogi> it is like, every window manager would work, but applications like graphical webbrowser take a lot cpu and ram
[05:37] <kahuna_> try a uclibc based linux distro
[05:37] <MrParker> dazed: I have fluxbox working now
[05:37] <dazed> MrParker: GOOD! im glad you got it
[05:37] <dazed> you liking it?
[05:37] <unperson> smallfoot-:  8MB.  You're joking, right?
[05:38] <dazed> lil gettin used to?
[05:38] <MrParker> I dont know what im doing with it
[05:38] <dazed> lol just remember right click is EVERYTHING
[05:38] <dazed> its ur menu
[05:38] <Delgul> smallfoot: Have you tried DOS?
[05:38] <dazed> thats where everything is
[05:38] <MrParker> yeah I see that
[05:38] <Delgul> With win 3.1 perhaps hehe
[05:38] <djm62> smallfoot-: running linux on extremely low resources is a task for experienced people...
[05:38] <MrParker> but I want to make it pretty and have all the little things you have
[05:39] <smallfoot-> dos rocks
[05:39] <Koljonen> hello
[05:39] <smallfoot-> i heard there is a FreeDOS software
[05:39] <smallfoot-> but i have windows xp
[05:39] <smallfoot-> with 256 mb ram
[05:39] <smallfoot-> but i want new computerz
[05:39] <dazed> that took about a week of programming my fluxbox (plus i been using blackbox for windows for about 2 years so i know flux and blackbox code) but just ask in #fluxbox or ask me specifically what u want and we can help
[05:39] <djm62> 256M ram is plenty for linux
[05:39] <dazed> MrParker: ^
[05:39] <Echylo> dazed!
[05:39] <dazed> i have 1.24 gigs
[05:39] <smallfoot-> can i run counter strike in ubnutu????????????????????????????????????
[05:39] <Koljonen> i managed to set up tv-out with this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23628 (the first post).... but how do i actually switch to the other screen (tv)? :)
[05:39] <Echylo> have you tried out supertux?
[05:39] <chaitatp> MrParker: seem like you can ``apt-get update''. now could yuou send me your /etc/apt/source.llist ?
[05:39] <kahuna_> I had a linux distro running on 4 megs about 7 years ago.
[05:39] <Delgul> smallfoot: 256Mb is perfect...
[05:39] <dazed> Echylo: I CANT GET OFF THE FIRST WORLD!
[05:39] <kahuna_> I had X but it was painfully slow
[05:39] <dazed> lol
[05:39] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:39] <sdogi> dazed: such stuff wouldn't work on my 32mb
[05:39] <MrParker> dazed: thanks :)
[05:40] <Echylo> dazed there is only 1 world
[05:40] <dazed> dazed: i figured
[05:40] <sdogi> dazed: stuff like gdesklets etc
[05:40] <dazed> Echylo: that would explain it
[05:40] <smallfoot-> X on 4 megs??????????????????+
[05:40] <smallfoot-> SHIT MAN
[05:40] <Blissex> smallfoot-: you can run CounterStrike in Ubuntu with Cedega, but check.
[05:40] <chaitatp> MrParker: do me a favor Y_Y, i think i can't update because i my server is suck
[05:40] <Echylo> dazed : they are developing world 2
[05:40] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:40] <kahuna_> You really can run linux in 8MB. Just google uclibc linux distro.
[05:40] <Blissex> smallfoot-: 4MB for X is OK.
[05:40] <NigelS> smallfoot-: <shudder> it is possible, though you'll cedega (don't think vanilla wine can run steam, but I may be wrong)
[05:40] <smallfoot-> what is world 2?
[05:40] <dazed> Echylo: that will be fun
[05:40] <Echylo> a forest
[05:40] <Echylo> I think
[05:40] <Blissex> smallfoot-: consider for example the K-driver X servers.
[05:40] <Echylo> milestone 2
[05:40] <MrParker> Cedega works well for steam
[05:40] <kahuna_> ubuntu is really nice
[05:41] <chaitatp> MrParker: give me your /etc/apt/source.list pleasese se se
[05:41] <kahuna_> I just switched from gentoo
[05:41] <Echylo> btw anybody can tell me a linux distro which I can fully install over internet/network
[05:41] <Echylo> cause my cd drive sucks
[05:41] <kahuna_> Echylo, slackware
[05:41] <MrParker> chaitatp: I cant send stuff here as I'm at work
[05:41] <Sophistication> steam breaks alot with cedega with steams update o romas
[05:41] <dazed> Echylo: slaxwarez
[05:41] <djm62> Echylo: debian? you still need one floppy
[05:41] <Echylo> is it good?
[05:41] <dazed> is slackware good?
[05:41] <chaitatp> Echlo: i have tried installing redhat from the network but
[05:41] <Echylo> yes
[05:41] <MrParker> sophistication: never had a problem
[05:41] <stianh> Hey guys!
[05:41] <kahuna_> Slackware is good.
[05:41] <dazed> Echylo: slack is prolly one of the BEST
[05:41] <chaitatp> stil need a floppy
[05:41] <Jimbob> Echylo: You can easily upgrade debian to ubuntu once it's installed.
[05:41] <dazed> Echylo: but also one of the most complicated
[05:42] <smallfoot-> i like slackware
[05:42] <Echylo> but it's for an old pc (pentium 1)
[05:42] <kahuna_> I like debian and ubuntu more though
[05:42] <Echylo> Jimbob are you sure?
[05:42] <djm62> Jimbob: from what stream?
[05:42] <kahuna_> I can install and configure slack in 20 minutes flat in expert mode.
[05:42] <Jimbob> Echylo: Yes, I did
[05:42] <kahuna_> I've done it 100's of times
[05:42] <Jimbob> djm62: Sarge should work pretty well, I'd think.
[05:42] <MrParker> kahuna_: congratulations, heres a coooookie
[05:42] <dazed> if i had the brains for slax...id do that
[05:42] <dazed> but im not linuxally smart enough yet
[05:42] <goldfish> hmmm
[05:43] <djm62> kahuna_: which doesn't make it simple...some forms of surgery are quick too
[05:43] <goldfish> slax is l33t then?
[05:43] <kahuna_> MrParker, thanks. I'll take what I can get
[05:43] <Sophistication> FreeBSD 5x is nice
[05:43] <dazed> goldfish: well its pretty like the rest ultra l33t its just the install
[05:43] <smallfoot-> what is slax?
[05:43] <MrParker> kahuna_: next will be your 'uber linux MASTAR' button.
[05:43] <Jimbob> goldfish: 1n5an3
[05:43] <Jimbob> smallfoot-: slackware
[05:43] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:43] <dazed> goldfish: im not good with the logical and primary partitions it all boggles me
[05:43] <goldfish> ah right
[05:43] <kahuna_> MrParker, I'd like one of those too.
[05:43] <djm62> smallfoot-: slax is the livecd, no?
[05:43] <MrParker> kahuna_: too bad you cant have it
[05:43] <smallfoot-> if i install ubnutu will i have african jungle tree theme in my desktop?
[05:44] <djm62> s/smallfoot/all/
[05:44] <kahuna_> Sophistication, I have better luck with 4.x
[05:44] <Jimbob> If you don't mind editing BSD-style boot scripts, slackware should be fine.
[05:44] <djm62> smallfoot-: you can choose the theme (I like the naked peeples)
[05:44] <dazed> my friend said it took him near 3-6 hours to install slack...and he had errors evrytime he booted
[05:44] <Koljonen> :-/
[05:44] <stianh> dunno if this is gnome or ubuntu kind of thing but I'll ask anyway. in the default ubuntu install (hoary) there is one gnome-panel at the top and one at the bottom, I prefer to have them both at the top, so I move the bottom one up underneath the top one. But every time I log out and back , they are still at the top, but they have switched places. If screenshots will explain better please say so :)
[05:44] <kahuna_> What's the correct kernel arch config for Athlon XP 2400+? 686 or k7?
[05:44] <goldfish> Just wondering i have the disk monitor plugin for xfce panel, and i have never seen the swap one move, it's not being used ever, should it be?
[05:44] <MrParker> dazed: its cause he doesnt have the skillz that kahuna has
[05:44] <Sophistication> kahuna_, ya not everyone is having the best luck with 5x but I have I have newer hardware
[05:44] <MrParker> dazed: :P
[05:44] <dazed> MrParker: true :)
[05:44] <djm62> stianh: save setup checkbox on logout?
[05:44] <Sophistication> kahuna_, > , <
[05:44] <dazed> god another class in 15 minutes then ihave to make a 2 hour drive hoem
[05:45] <Jimbob> stianh: It sounds like a gnome thing
[05:45] <smallfoot-> djm62: ubnutu comes with free pr0n??????????
[05:45] <kahuna_> Sophistication, I like 5.x but it's crashed on me a few times. I could run 4.x and just forget about it literally.
[05:45] <djm62> kahuna_: K7 I think
[05:45] <dazed> but i have the fattest blunt ever for my trip
[05:45] <stianh> djm62, yeah I've done that several times
[05:45] <Jimbob> stianh: I'll check if I see the same thing in a sec.
[05:45] <stianh> Jimbob, okay
[05:45] <djm62> smallfoot-: free artistic nudity
[05:45] <smallfoot-> ok
[05:45] <smallfoot-> if my mom see i hzve porn in linux she will ded mi x.x
[05:45] <goldfish> ehhhh
[05:46] <dazed> smallfoot-: your mom can understand linux enough to find ur *porn*
[05:46] <smallfoot-> anyone heard of linux Lesbian GNU/Linux ?
[05:46] <Sophistication> kahuna_, I haven't had a crash on mine yet how long you been using BSD?
[05:46] <dazed> smallfoot-: sounds like a distro to me
[05:46] <kahuna_> I prefer the term GLBT Linux
[05:46] <kahuna_> Sophistication, Maybe 3 years
[05:46] <Arnia> LGBT
[05:46] <djm62> kahuna_: so politically incorrect!
[05:46] <kahuna_> lol
[05:47] <djm62> kahuna_: GNU/LGBT linux!
[05:47] <smallfoot-> GLBT?
[05:47] <kahuna_> haha!
[05:47] <Sophistication> kahuna_, you gonna try debian with the freebsd kernel?
[05:47] <smallfoot-> whats GLBT?
[05:47] <Deviad> hehem
[05:47] <Arnia> I should email Durham LGBTA about this
[05:47] <kahuna_> (G)ay(L)esbian(B)i(T)ransgendered
[05:47] <djm62> smallfoot-: Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender
[05:47] <Deviad> Does anyone know how to change gnome desktop runlevel?
[05:47] <Deviad> I need to switch to text mode
[05:48] <Deviad> to install nvidia drivers
[05:48] <Amaranth> Deviad: Press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[05:48] <Amaranth> wait
[05:48] <Deviad> I need to have the X server disabled
[05:48] <Amaranth> Ok
[05:48] <kahuna_> Debian with FreeBSD kernel? No way. If I want linux, it's linux. FreeBSD, then it's FreeBSD :)
[05:48] <Deviad> everytime I write killall xorg
[05:48] <Deviad> it restarts itself
[05:48] <Amaranth> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:48] <Sophistication> kahuna_, http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
[05:48] <Deviad> that's why I need to change the runlevel
[05:48] <membreya> Deviad: when you have press ctrl+alt+f1, do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:48] <Deviad> OK
[05:48] <Jimbob> stianh: I'm seeing the same thing here
[05:48] <kahuna_> that's just an abomination Sophistication.
[05:48] <stianh> Jimbob, okay
[05:48] <Sophistication> kahuna_, no its not
[05:48] <Sophistication> linux is open source!
[05:48] <Amaranth> otherwise you can use init 3 (iirc) to drop to text mode
[05:49] <djm62> Sophistication: is it moving again?
[05:49] <Amaranth> but that might restart your computer, i can't remember
[05:49] <Sophistication> open to be as we or I or as you will have it
[05:49] <stianh> Jimbob,  suggestion on where I should seek a solution?
[05:49] <Sophistication> :)
[05:49] <djm62> KFreeBSD was stalled last time I looked
[05:49] <dazed> stianh: whats the dealio?
[05:49] <kahuna_> Yes, I agree with that but I can't see the point in transplanting kernels and userland.
[05:49] <Sophistication> djm62, yes
[05:50] <Sophistication> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10239  4-08-05
[05:50] <stianh> dazed: what I said before was -> in the default ubuntu install (hoary) there is one gnome-panel at the top and one at the bottom, I prefer to have them both at the top, so I move the bottom one up underneath the top one. But every time I log out and back , they are still at the top, but they have switched places. If screenshots will explain better please say so :)
[05:50] <MaxeyPad> I'm just curuios, whenever I upgarde the kernel from apt-get do I need to reboot for the change to take place?
[05:50] <kahuna_> yes
[05:51] <dazed> stianh: try this...put it up top like you want it and before you logout click the save setup button then logout back in
[05:51] <Jimbob> dazed: That doesn't help, unfortunately
[05:51] <dazed> Jimbob: you sure
[05:51] <dazed> ?
[05:51] <stianh> dazed: done that, doesn't work
[05:51] <Jimbob> dazed: Yes, I tested it on my system and saw the same issue
[05:51] <dazed> if thats true...then only solution is to make your on pannel
[05:51] <Sophistication> kahuna_, At the moment I just find it more interesting then thinking of its use
[05:51] <dazed> your going to have to make your own pannel and put it up under there and erase the lower one
[05:52] <Jimbob> dazed: I'm searching the gnome-panel bugzilla for similar reports right now
[05:52] <stianh> hmm
[05:52] <stianh> dazed: i'll try that :)
[05:52] <dazed> you should just youse fluxbox...much cooler anyway ^-...im going to get ubu dev's to distribute flux with ubu :)
[05:52] <stianh> dazed, hehe
[05:53] <MaxeyPad> kahuna_: was that directed at me?
[05:53] <goldfish> dazed: Fubuntu
[05:53] <stianh> but mesa likesa gnomesa
[05:53] <dazed> goldfish: id pay for it
[05:53] <goldfish> :)
[05:53] <kahuna_> MaxeyPad, yes
[05:53] <dazed> damnit now i have classs poo on that
[05:53] <goldfish> heh
[05:53] <dazed> stupid quizes
[05:53] <goldfish> I have a god damn databases project :/
[05:54] <goldfish> And I dont want to do it
[05:54] <dazed> dont do it!
[05:54] <dazed> lol
[05:54] <goldfish> :)
[05:54] <graabein> anyone know how to change spelling in gaim?
[05:54] <chaitatp> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[05:54] <Zotnix> graabein: Change spelling?
[05:54] <kahuna_> Think about it this way, if you clear the present kernel out of memory, what file handling facilities will exist to load the new el into memory?
[05:54] <dazed> graabein: no but when u find out tell me
[05:54] <dazed> alright folks peace
[05:55] <chaitatp> to insal mplayer why it tells me to comment those 3 lines   http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[05:55] <graabein> Zotnix, yes i have english ubuntu but i want norwegian spellchecker
[05:55] <Deviad> Sweet I can run emule on Linux
[05:55] <Deviad> :)
[05:55] <Zotnix> Ah... dunno about that, sorry.
[05:55] <Zotnix> You can, however, poke around for aspell in your language.
[05:55] <Zotnix> Gaim uses aspell.
[05:55] <graabein> yes, i've downloaded aspell...
[05:55] <kahuna_> What do you guys use for emule? Amule or mldonkey?
[05:55] <graabein> but where do i set up the system default speller?
[05:56] <jhalford> hi all, can anyone help me sending options to my sound modules?
[05:56] <cens0red> yeees! Finally! https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Linux&category=Web%20Annoyances&numpg=10&id=433
[05:56] <cens0red> Quick Description Replaces Flash objects with a button you can click to view them.
[05:56] <Sophistication> kahuna_, Follow the whiterabbit
[05:56] <graabein> cens0red, sounds nice
[05:57] <cens0red> graabein man some of the flash adds annoy the &#$% out of me.
[05:57] <noob1221> I have the settings for my soundcard, but I don't know how to send them to my soundcard
[05:57] <graabein> ads in general! pfffftt!
[05:58] <cens0red> feel the p o w e r of open source!
[05:58] <jouke> Hi, anyone experience with installing kqemu on ubuntu? I'm stuck
[05:58] <Jimbob> stianh: I couldn't find an existing bug report on the issue you're seeing
[05:59] <ilf_> where's the X11 config in ubuntu?
[05:59] <segfault> your soul belongs to ubuntu.
[06:00] <chaitatp> ilf: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:00] <stianh> Jimbob, ok. perhaps I should submit one
[06:00] <Jimbob> That'd be nice
[06:00] <NigelS> cens0red: haven't you been using adblock? http://adblock.mozdev.org/
[06:00] <Jimbob> :-)
[06:00] <stianh> Jimbob, was that in gnome or ubuntu bugzilla?
[06:00] <cens0red> NigelS heh I don't mind adds. It's just some of the flash ones that annoy me.
[06:01] <cens0red> sometimes they flicker across my screen
[06:01] <Jimbob> I was looking at the GNOME bugzilla, though I'd report it against ubuntu -- just in case one of their patches is causing the issue you're seeing.
[06:01] <NigelS> cens0red: both annoy me :) adblock blocks flash too.
[06:01] <noob1221> I know how to configure my soundcard under a 2.4 kernel, can anyone tell me how to do it with a 2.6 kernel?
[06:02] <stianh> I'll wait with submitting until I get to check if dazed suggestion works, just have to wait for a terminal to finish up working
[06:02] <Zotnix> jouke: I've gotten it to work.
[06:02] <thesamet> Is it possible that upgrading to hoary leaves packages installed by warty?
[06:03] <maikodk> Hi I have a problem when doing an "apt-get upate" : W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[06:03] <maikodk> any idea ?
[06:04] <jouke> Zotnix, great, because I didn't. Qemu works fine, it's just the kqemu module I that won't install.
[06:04] <chaitatp> maikodk: the same as mine :D
[06:04] <chaitatp> maikodk: i am so happy to hear that, eh
[06:04] <Zotnix> jouke: you'll have to uninstall the ubuntu package for qemu and install the CVS version
[06:04] <Zotnix> with the kqemu folder inside.
[06:04] <Zotnix> It will build the module automatically and install it from there.
[06:04] <maikodk> chaitatp>ok so it is a feature
[06:04] <jouke> Zotnix I downloaded qemu source and added kqemu source to the directory, did ./configure , make make install and modeprobe kqemu
[06:05] <chaitatp> maikodk: someone said that  either the archive is broken or then they changed the signing key and u're didn't update urs
[06:05] <maikodk> chaitatp>:-)
[06:05] <jouke> Ztonix result: module kqemu.o not found
[06:05] <chaitatp> maikodk: if the latter is the case, i dunno what to do T_T
[06:05] <Zotnix> jouke: Was it the source of a CVS snapshot?
[06:05] <maikodk> chaitatp>yes cos I am still running apt-get update without any good results
[06:06] <jouke> Zotnix, yes, I usec CVS
[06:06] <chaitatp> maikodk: also have a look => http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26419
[06:06] <maikodk> chaitatp>try to find any valid gpg key http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/misc/
[06:06] <maikodk> but it seems not to do anything
[06:07] <SuperCatFrog> hi - does anbody know where to get the ruby bindings for qt?
[06:07] <maikodk> chaitatp> there is a  daily_signing_key.asc there
[06:07] <_aSeSiNo_> hi all
[06:07] <chaitatp> maikodk: what shoud i do with  http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/misc/daily_signing_key.asc
[06:07] <djm61> SuperCatFrog: google it?
[06:07] <jouke> Zotnix used:  cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.gnu.org:/cvsroot/qemu co qemu
[06:08] <Zotnix> Did you put the kqemu folder inside qemu
[06:08] <Zotnix> ?
[06:08] <Zotnix> Or dump the source into qemu?
[06:08] <maikodk> chaitatp> I tought I could add it to my Synaptics>repositories>Authentification window
[06:08] <SuperCatFrog> djm61 - good thinking, batman
[06:08] <Zotnix> So you should have qemu/kqemu
[06:08] <|QuaD-> ubuntu developers: breezy upgrade is broken, failing on jadetex
[06:08] <chaitatp> maikodk: i will try now
[06:08] <jouke> Yes I did
[06:08] <djm61> djm++61 ;)
[06:08] <maikodk> chaitatp> but I have already this key
[06:09] <goldfish> hmm.. cmatrix is a neat little app
[06:09] <jouke> Zotnix , I have
[06:09] <chaitatp> maikodk: how do you know that?
[06:09] <chaitatp> maikodk: you add those very long key in Authentificastion window?
[06:10] <jouke> Zotnix, make also created kqemu.o object files in the different directories with processor names
[06:11] <Zotnix> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/kqemu.ko  I have that.
[06:11] <chaitatp> maikodk: brb, taking a bath
[06:11] <stianh> dazed, your suggestion worked
[06:12] <jouke> Zotnix, that's the point, I don't get that module file. Somehow, it's not installed
[06:12] <maikodk> chaitatp> there is an add button in the authentification window
[06:13] <jouke> Zotnix, did you edit any of the make files for your installation?
[06:13] <Zotnix> no
[06:14] <Zotnix> jouke: I got a CVS snapshot. untarred it. Put kqemu folder inside the qemu folder. Did ./configure --prefix=usr
[06:14] <Zotnix> It found my kernel automatically and install everything fine on make install
[06:14] <Zotnix> it took a bit to make the module.
[06:14] <Paradiossina> newbie question: how do I set permission for normal user to write on /dev/hda5 fat32 partition?
[06:14] <Zotnix> Erm
[06:14] <Zotnix> --prefix=/usr
[06:14] <jouke> Is the --prefix=usr essential?
[06:15] <Zotnix> Well, everything on Ubuntu is installed in /usr  (not /usr/local)
[06:15] <Zotnix> So try adding that
[06:15] <jouke> Thanks, I'll give it a try
[06:16] <murrayc_> It's better ot install stuff in /usr/local (the default, usually) so you don't overwrite stuff from apt-get.
[06:17] <cart> Hi ppl, anyone knows a easy way to install a development environment in Hoary?
[06:17] <djm62> cart: what language? what sort of development?
[06:18] <Paradiossina> newbie question: how do I set permission for normal user to write on /dev/hda5 fat32 partition?
[06:18] <chaitatp> Paradiossina: user
[06:18] <djm62> Paradiossina: edit fstab, next to the other options, put users, rw
[06:18] <chaitatp> Paradiossina: in /etc/fstab
[06:18] <Paradiossina> got that!
[06:19] <tombs> hi ppl
[06:19] <djm62> users or user, I forget the distinction
[06:19] <Paradiossina> /dev/hda5       /mnt/dati       defaults,auto,user,quiet,rw,umask=000 0 0
[06:19] <klaym> I'm running warty now and would like to upgrade to hoary. does anyone have a link for me where I'd find the details on how to do this? Also, should I backup my files on cd's before upgrading, or is there any risk?
[06:19] <Paradiossina> it still does not allow me to write
[06:19] <djm62> Paradiossina: have you remounted it?
[06:20] <djm62> klaym: if you go through /etc/apt/source.list changing warty to hoary where it appears, then apt-get update&&aptitude dist-upgrade, that should work
[06:20] <Fab_> hi
[06:21] <Paradiossina> djm62, yes i have rebooted
[06:21] <Paradiossina> klaym, see http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9098
[06:22] <klaym> thanks! djm62: is there a certain reason I should upgrade using aptitude, not apt-get?
[06:22] <djm62> klaym: and it shouldn't be dangerous, but back up anything you can't afford to lose (never a _bad_ idea)
[06:22] <djm62> klaym: not really, aptitude works with recommends data as well as depends
[06:22] <kenny> hi guys i need a little help
[06:22] <klaym> ok
[06:23] <kenny> Im trying to get access webmin-firewall but i dont have a clue how to, can anyone help
[06:23] <djm62> klaym: if you have many added repositories it could be tricky, but the basic stuff should work anyway: you can fix the repositories separately
[06:24] <djm62> kenny: what are you doing, and where does it go wrong?
[06:24] <kenny> hi dj, its installing ok but i have no idea how to access it or configure it
[06:24] <klaym> so do you think it would be best to leave the 'extra' repositories as 'warty' and only change the official repositories? or should I drop out all unofficial repositories
[06:25] <klaym> I guess the extra repos won't do anything :P
[06:25] <klaym> anyway
[06:25] <djm62> change the 'extra' ones to hoary, if that causes a failure, comment out that line :)
[06:26] <djm62> you'll know when you do the update, so it shouldn't take long
[06:26] <thenuke> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[06:26] <djm62> thenuke: cheers ;)
[06:26] <klaym> ok. so I'll just rename all 'warty' to 'hoary'
[06:26] <webtoe> hey people
[06:26] <kenny> hi webtoe
[06:26] <maikodk> chaitatp> so what up with the key ?
[06:27] <kenny> Does anyone know how to start webmin-firewall
[06:27] <chaitatp> maikodk: wait for another 5 mins pls
[06:27] <chaitatp> maikodk: i am installing acroread 7
[06:27] <maikodk> oki
[06:27] <chaitatp> maikodk: from blackportsomething
[06:28] <SuperCatFrog> hi - ive been googling, and i cant find the package for the ruby/qt bindings in ubuntu - any idea's anybody? apparently its libqt0-ruby1.8 in debian but apt-get.org doesn't show anything
[06:28] <djm62> kenny: are you pointing your webbrowser to the correct port on localhost?
[06:29] <kenny> and what is that
[06:29] <kenny> i know its localhost
[06:29] <djm62> kenny: 10000 by default, according to google
[06:30] <cart> Hi ppl, anyone knows a easy way to install a development environment in Hoary?
[06:30] <jsgotangco> sure use apt
[06:30] <justinf> cart: what language?
[06:30] <djm62> cart: what development environment?
[06:31] <SuperCatFrog> cart - if you mean gcc and stuff then sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:31] <webtoe> you mean like ubuntu-desktop package?
[06:31] <kenny> thanks dj thats done, now whats the username and password
[06:31] <djm62> cart: apt-get build-depends $favourite_package is also useful for teasing odd libraries
[06:32] <djm62> kenny: username: djm62 password: 0wn3d :-/
[06:32] <chaitatp> have you heard about Openface Internet Inc?
[06:32] <djm62> kenny: you have to set the password and stuff yourself
[06:32] <AngelGabriel> i just did a routine scan of my network, as  normallydo, lookig for unusual open ports and stuff like that, and noticed an open port on my 2k3 server, that registerd as network blackjack - it's port 1025 - has any one else seen that??
[06:33] <kenny> lol
[06:33] <kenny> But it didnt ask me to  set a username or password
[06:33] <djm62> kenny: as root, go to the webmin directory and do './changepass.pl /etc/webmin root newpassword'
[06:33] <AlP> moin
[06:34] <kenny> i dont have a root account use sudo
[06:34] <djm62> AngelGabriel: don't use windows...it probably is blackjack :-/
[06:34] <justinf> kenny: the default webmin password is blank. userid is webmin
[06:34] <AngelGabriel> djm62,  was just shocked to see that! lol
[06:35] <TheAJKMan> hello everyone
[06:35] <kenny> now it wont let putit in its says iv had to many tries
[06:35] <mikeco> hi
[06:36] <djm62> AngelGabriel: sorry, that was meant to read "_I_ don't use windows": you're as free as I am to choose ;)
[06:36] <chaitatp> hah... how wonder it is... acrobat 7, i mean
[06:36] <kenny> Error - Access denied for 127.0.0.1 thats what itis saying
[06:36] <TheAJKMan> well, at least I've managed to get this working
[06:36] <wasabi_> is there a documented way on reenabling the CUPs http admin screen?
[06:36] <AngelGabriel> Also, when i scan mu ubuntu box, (the installed PowerPC version) i get an alert telling me that the trojan W32.MyDoom has port 3127 open, i'm pretty damn sure that I don't have the MyDoom virus, so what could it be?
[06:36] <webtoe> AngelGabriel: try checking what services are running. Might help
[06:36] <folta> hey, does anyone know how to reconfigure X for a new monitor with different resolutions?
[06:37] <djm62> AngelGabriel: yeah, do ps aux to check for daemons
[06:37] <AngelGabriel> djm62, I think I i use every major OS, Linux, OS X, Windows 2k3, 2k0, XP pro - what's left!
[06:37] <djm62> folta: ctrl-alt-(+/-)
[06:37] <TheAJKMan> errr, anyone here willing to help a newbie work some stuff out here :)
[06:37] <djm62> BeOS! ;)
[06:37] <chaitatp> hey i can't remember your name... where are you mr hellooo
[06:37] <webtoe> AngelGabriel: no other bsd's????? NetBSD etc. are still out there!
[06:37] <kenny> ill help TheAK
[06:37] <webtoe> how about
[06:37] <djm62> TheAJKMan: just ask
[06:37] <kenny> fireaway
[06:37] <webtoe> OS/2 Warp?
[06:38] <chaitatp> mr hello who's waiting me to try authentication with ubuntu server
[06:38] <AngelGabriel> webtoe, Doesn't Mac OS X now count as a BSD??
[06:38] <folta> djm62, that's not doing what it oughta
[06:38] <AngelGabriel> djm62, a LOT of things came up! How do I check which port they are connected to?
[06:38] <folta> i just see an area of th screen magnified
[06:38] <webtoe> AngelGabriel: sort of though I think it is usually called Darwin to differentiate it. Its sufficiently different from the other BSD's
[06:39] <TheAJKMan> okay, I'm trying to install the newer version of firefox, but don't know how to go about doing it the linux way
[06:39] <AngelGabriel> webtoe, Yup, it's called Darwin
[06:39] <TheAJKMan> as in default directory ec etc
[06:39] <djm62> AngelGabriel: netstat (--help to get the appropriate voodoo)
[06:39] <djm62> TheAJKMan: what version of ubuntu are you using? hoary has 1.0.2
[06:39] <webtoe> AngelGabriel: I know the core kernel is Darwin but can you also run the kernel on its own? without the Mac GUI? I've read as such but never experimented
[06:40] <cart> I get afk for a moment, thanks for the help! Isn't any language at special, i need the tools to compile some source code, i will try the essential thing! Thanks
[06:40] <yinmingrui> hello
[06:40] <mikeco> folta, i read sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 on userdocs
[06:40] <djm62> webtoe: as root, you can remove any bits you like...it might not be very pleasant, but there is a console driver
[06:40] <yinmingrui> hello
[06:40] <webtoe> hello!
[06:40] <TheAJKMan> djm62, hang on a mo whilst i try and get that info for you
[06:40] <AngelGabriel> webtoe, I havn't actually tried to run it in a command line mode as such - but ther is a server version of OSX so, I'm assuming that it should have the console mode
[06:41] <confrey> hi everybody
[06:41] <yinmingrui> I am fresh man use linux
[06:41] <folta> would dpkg-reconfigure work to setup the monitor again? what package do i need to reconfigure in hoary?
[06:41] <confrey> I'd installed hoary, how can I obtain debian menu?
[06:41] <webtoe> AngelGabriel: Yeah I know about that but is there a UNIX built around the Darwin kernel which is totally separate from Mac OS X?
[06:41] <djm62> cart: apt-get build-depends gaim will get you most of the gtk libraries as well as gcc etc
[06:42] <djm62> confrey: apt-get install menu, IIRC
[06:42] <Amaranth> webtoe: Yeah, it's called Darwin. :)
[06:42] <mikeco> folta, the xserver
[06:42] <webtoe> lol
[06:42] <webtoe> thanks!
[06:42] <AngelGabriel> webtoe, It's called OpenDarwin
[06:42] <webtoe> ahhhhhhhhh
[06:42] <Nachtengel> what's the path/ command for restarting smbd?
[06:42] <webtoe> i feel enlightened
[06:42] <mikeco> in hoary, it says  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:42] <Nachtengel> << is and feels like a total N00b
[06:42] <danko123456> Hi, guys
[06:42] <Guga> blender3d won't load for some reason
[06:43] <confrey> djm62, what's IIRC?
[06:43] <Guga> *v 2.36
[06:43] <djm62> Nachtengel: /etc/init.d/$whatever_samba_is restart
[06:43] <danko123456> I must inform you that I upgraded to Hoary, and my Ubuntu is now broken.
[06:43] <djm62> confrey: if I recall correctly
[06:43] <danko123456> The GUI is not working properly.
[06:43] <djm62> danko123456: the xserver has changed...how is it wrong?
[06:43] <kenny> Ok iv removed webmin its a pain in the ass
[06:43] <folta> thanks mikeco
[06:43] <ogra> danko123456, you followed the upgrade notes precisly ?
[06:43] <klaym> danko123456: I had an issue with the panels after upgrading to hoary
[06:43] <danko123456> I dont have the window frames, no matter which WM I use.
[06:43] <Guga> dank123456 what is the error when you try to load Ubuntu?
[06:43] <mikeco> you are welcome
[06:43] <danko123456> Exaxtly.
[06:44] <Nachtengel> thans djm62
[06:44] <danko123456> no, I did not follow any note.s
[06:44] <mikeco> i assume that will work, i used it when i changed my videocard and monitor
[06:44] <ogra> danko123456, and have no backports or other weird stuff in your sources.list ?
[06:44] <Guga> danko123456 you have to get the right drivers for x server to work
[06:44] <TheAJKMan> okay, as far as I Know I haven't got the latest ubuntu, how do I find what version I have installed
[06:44] <djm62> Nachtengel: did you follow me/did it work?
[06:44] <danko123456> I did an upgrade on my iBook, and it worked perfect.
[06:44] <klaym> danko123456: and as I was (and still am) a noob, I put warty back. but it was back then
[06:44] <danko123456> I do have,,
[06:44] <danko123456> OOgra.
[06:44] <Guga> what video card do you have?
[06:44] <danko123456> On bioard.
[06:44] <ogra> danko123456, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:45] <webtoe> what sort of onboard card?
[06:45] <ogra> danko123456, and dont use backports if you want a sane upgrade, there is a reason why they are not supported
[06:45] <djm62> Nachtengel: no worries ;)
[06:45] <kenny> How do i get firestarter to stop replying
[06:46] <TheAJKMan> djm62, i think i have the warthog release
[06:46] <danko123456> At this time, my sources.lst has...
[06:46] <kenny> I keep failing sheildsup: Ping Reply: RECEIVED (FAILED)
[06:46] <aliase> heyas
[06:46] <djm62> Anyone know a good url for warty->hoary?
[06:46] <ogra> djm62, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:46] <danko123456> hoary universe, multiverse, and restricted/security/
[06:46] <klaym> I feel sane
[06:47] <Guga> danko123456 try $startx
[06:47] <danko123456> thanks all.
[06:47] <aliasd> anyone know of an application that will search your computer for x apps and add them to the gnome menus?
[06:47] <djm62> TheAJKMan: the url ogra posted will help you upgrade the entire system
[06:47] <Nachtengel> I added a share to smb.conf, and it shows up and can browse it on my linux machine, but when I try to access it through my XP machine, the added share doesn't show up.  and wierdly, so does a UPS that's attached to the linux machine that isn't shared at all in smb.conf
[06:47] <djm62> TheAJKMan: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:48] <Nachtengel> so is there any sort of obvious mistake I'm probably making to cause this?
[06:48] <webtoe> Nachtengel: First check your workgroups, they need to be the same ideally
[06:48] <danko123456> So, Ogra, what do you suggest I do, follw the instuctions as they are on that page?
[06:48] <Nachtengel> yeah... I can't change my workgroup from MSHOME for some reason
[06:48] <Guga> danko123456 write down the entire error when you x server won't load
[06:48] <Nachtengel> forgot to include that at the outset
[06:49] <danko123456> Its not even easy.
[06:49] <Nachtengel> it's listed in smb.conf as workgroup = WORKGROUP
[06:49] <ogra> danko123456, yep, these are the official upgrade notes....the post upgrade part is most important
[06:49] <julien> salut
[06:49] <danko123456> thanks.
[06:49] <kenny> Can anyone help me to get Firestarter firewall to stop replying to pings
[06:49] <djm62> hapless hacking, all ;)
[06:49] <Nachtengel> but when I run testparm on it, it shows up as MSHOME
[06:49] <julien> salut tt le monde
[06:49] <julien> y a D franais ici???
[06:49] <Guga> any reason for blender not to load on Hoary?
[06:50] <danko123456> thanks, Guga, I think Ill just do what Ogra said, I have confidence in that advice, and Ill just do the official thing, and if that dont work, Ill come back.
[06:50] <Guga> ok danko123456
[06:50] <danko123456> thanks, see ya.
[06:50] <julien> y a pas de fr???
[06:50] <kenny> Can anyone help me to get Firestarter firewall to stop replying to pings
[06:50] <Nachtengel> er... smbclient -L $HOSTNAME, rather... shows the workgroup as MSHOME instead of WORKGROUP
[06:51] <Guga> julien #ubuntu-fr
[06:51] <julien> merki
[06:51] <julien> ;)
[06:51] <Guga> np
[06:52] <chaitatp> could anyone send me your /etc/apt/source.list?
[06:52] <Guga> having trouble getting blender to start on Hoary
[06:52] <chaitatp> if you can ``sudo apt-get update'' with yours, i mean
[06:53] <munki> chaitatp , ya..
[06:54] <munki> got a nice on, what's you email ?
[06:54] <webtoe> Guga: what's your problem?
[06:54] <Guga> blender would start before, now, no luck :(
[06:55] <chaitatp> munki: chaitatp@gmail.com   thousands thanks for  you
[06:55] <juan_> hi guys, to run the latest version of cvs need to have running the latest version of autoconf and automake, 'cause I'm have problems compilng tomboy... how can I select what version of automake and autoconf have to run ubuntu?
[06:55] <kahuna_> Where can I specify manual loading of modules at startup and module options?
[06:55] <Guga> this is after I updated x server with the Nvidia driver for Warty which is on my 2nd hd
[06:56] <Shufla> kahuna_: /etc/modules - manual select. /etc/modprobe.d/* - options (perhaps)
[06:56] <munki> chaitatp , send :)
[06:56] <kenny> Can anyone help me to get Firestarter firewall to stop replying to pings
[06:56] <membreya> is there any way with chown to make a directory writable by anyone or do you use chmod 777 ?
[06:56] <kahuna_> Thanks. I did less /etc/modules as you typed that :)
[06:56] <kahuna_> and answered my own question!
[06:57] <Shufla> kahuna_: that's good :D you got autoanswer machine. now go on with more complicated questions! :D
[06:58] <chaitatp> munki: thanks again
[06:59] <webtoe> Guga: sorry xchat on my live cd is being annoying. Doesn't seem to like DCC
[07:00] <membreya> anyone?
[07:00] <kahuna_> If I throw a new file for options in /etc/modprobe.d do I have to run a program to update anything or is it all read on the fly?
[07:00] <Guga> np webtoe
[07:00] <webtoe> membreya: you use chmod
[07:00] <membreya> ta webtoe
[07:00] <webtoe> no worries
[07:01] <wasabi_> I need to install a BSD compatible print server on my Ubuntu box.
[07:01] <wasabi_> Is there a lpr server that just forwards to cups?
[07:01] <Shufla> huh
[07:01] <kahuna_> I came from gentoo to ubuntu. So far ubuntu has been *much* more pleasant.
[07:01] <evilmegaman> Hi, my question today is, How can I install some things with apt-get WITHOUT having to put in the installation cd?
[07:01] <Shufla> i'm going to set up my first ubuntu real-world server :>
[07:01] <Shufla> cu
[07:01] <kahuna_> I don't like waiting 2 days to upgrade kdelibs :)
[07:01] <goldfish> evilmegaman: remove any mention of cd from sources.list
[07:01] <evilmegaman> Oh ok :)
[07:01] <chaitatp> wasabi_: i think it is cups-lpd, isn't it?
[07:01] <goldfish> evilmegaman: comment it out
[07:01] <evilmegaman> Thanks goldfish
[07:01] <evilmegaman> thanks
[07:02] <kenny> GUys i keep failing an online port scan how can i stop this happing
[07:02] <goldfish> np
[07:02] <kahuna_> the only thing I miss is mplayer.
[07:02] <ogra> kahuna_, its in multiverse
[07:02] <kahuna_> I can't install it.
[07:02] <evilmegaman> oh now for the bad question. Where is sources.list?
[07:02] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody in here know where i can get the kde or qt bindings for ruby? ive googled and stuff
[07:03] <chaitatp> evilmegaman: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:03] <stevens_55> hi, I would likek to ask for help with installing ubuntu
[07:03] <SuperCatFrog> preferably through apt-get
[07:03] <evilmegaman> thanks chaitatp :)
[07:03] <ogra> evilmegaman, you can edit it through synaptic...
[07:03] <kenny> ask away stevens
[07:03] <ogra> evilmegaman, no need for searching the file....
[07:03] <Guga> blender won't load on Hoary
[07:03] <e-type> hi all
[07:03] <Guga> anybody know why blender won't load on Hoary?
[07:03] <kenny> hi e-type
[07:03] <e-type> hi kenny
[07:04] <chaitatp> eveilmegaman: are you a kind of ``text-mode'' type? like me, i mean
[07:04] <evilmegaman> Oh thanks ogra :)
[07:04] <goldfish> :)
[07:04] <ogra> kahuna_, why ? i can install it on 6 machines of different arch here
[07:04] <e-type> chaitatp: only good kind :)
[07:04] <kahuna_> mplayer-586:
[07:04] <kahuna_>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[07:04] <kahuna_>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[07:04] <kahuna_> Sorry bout the flood. I meant that for 1 line
[07:04] <kenny> Please some one help me, this is driving me nuts
[07:04] <ogra> kahuna_, you broke your sources.list with marillat entrys ;)
[07:04] <dr_willis> kahuna_,  i had that issue the other day - never did figure out a fix. :P lol
[07:04] <kahuna_> d'oh
[07:04] <ogra> kahuna_, dont use marillat....
[07:04] <jordanau> ztonzy, are you elysiun mod ztonzy?
[07:04] <stevens_55> when I do the partitioning, the installer all the time forces formatting the swap partition on my second HD
[07:05] <kahuna_> So take marillat out of my sources.list and it will work?
[07:05] <stevens_55> but I want to leave intact my seconf HD
[07:05] <ogra> kahuna_, ....only if you use transcode or somehing thats similar illegal you should enable it temporary....
[07:05] <queuetue> Offtopic, but ... Is the heatsink gunk that comes on an OEM cooler for an Athlon 64 sufficient, or should I scrape it off and use some silver stuff from a tube?
[07:05] <kahuna_> Ok
[07:05] <kahuna_> Why is transcode illegal?
[07:05] <kenny> Stevens your better off using another partitioner than the one that comes with Ubuntu
[07:05] <evilmegaman> Ok now in synaptic, Where do I find the CD part?
[07:05] <ogra> kahuna_, doesnt it use decss2 ?
[07:06] <AngelGabriel> has anyone managed to install XINE on ubuntu for the PowerPC
[07:06] <kahuna_> maybe.
[07:06] <kenny> Transcode isnt illegal
[07:06] <ogra> kahuna_, libdecss2 is illegal...
[07:06] <akk> queuetue: For a 32-bit, mine was overheating with the stock pad, so I scraped it off and used silver gunk and it's still overheating.
[07:06] <SuperCatFrog> kahuna - it might just infringe on mpeg2 patents
[07:06] <Guga> blender won't load, no one will help :(
[07:06] <Danimall> stevens_55, that formatting is a normal thing
[07:06] <akk> queuetue: Didn't seem to make any difference (I think my problem is the case, not the heatsink compound).
[07:06] <Danimall> it doesn't change ur partition table
[07:06] <Anubis> if my computer loses its connection before reboot and ubuntu can't connect to ubuntu's ntp server the computer reboots until it can?!!??? please tell me this is not by design?
[07:06] <kahuna_> AFAIK transcode just uses a customized version of the mpeg group's reference implementation for mpeg2dec
[07:06] <cowbud> SuperCatFrog: I believe you only have to pay a fee to mpeg2 if you are selling the software..
[07:07] <kenny> libdecss is illegal in some countrys not all
[07:07] <megamind> Hi there everybody
[07:07] <ogra> Guga, file a universe bug  $ https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:07] <SuperCatFrog> kenny - isn't it only illegal in america, and america's empire (australia, india)?
[07:07] <megamind> i just installed the ubuntoo linux ... and seeking help abt that
[07:07] <kenny> lol
[07:07] <Guga> ok, ogra
[07:07] <kenny> Its also illegal in europe too
[07:07] <Danimall> megamind, u came to the right place
[07:08] <megamind> great ..
[07:08] <SuperCatFrog> kenny - really? crap, i want to live in a continant that gets _something_ right
[07:08] <Deviad> Hey guys do you know how I can open an archive made from a set of files like file01.rar file02.rar and so on with Linux?
[07:08] <webtoe> erm, when was australia or india part of america's empire?
[07:08] <kahuna_> Thanks for the sources.list hint. I'm now able to install mplayer
[07:08] <ogra> SuperCatFrog, nope, also in germany and a lot of other european countries....(as long as the courts agree that css is a copy portection)
[07:08] <e-type> Deviad: use unrar?
[07:08] <Deviad> it can't open it
[07:08] <Deviad> :(
[07:08] <stevens_55> Yes, but I have not experience, and I do not know what happens with my other Linux if an outer sistem formats his swap
[07:08] <kahuna_> I'll only enable marillat if I really need it next time
[07:08] <Deviad> is there some option for that?
[07:08] <kenny> but i dont care, when i bought my DVD rom drive/DVD films i have bought a license to use them.
[07:08] <SuperCatFrog> webtoe - they agree'd to america's fair trade laws, it was a joke
[07:08] <ogra> SuperCatFrog, it legal in norway and france afaik...move there ;)
[07:09] <webtoe> ahhhh right. I didn't realise they had done that!
[07:09] <kenny> Euro laws changed last year
[07:09] <stevens_55> maybe no problem, one swap is the same as other swap???
[07:09] <Zotnix> Hrm... how do I mount an mp3 player?
[07:09] <kahuna_> Damn it I started a flame fest... :(
[07:09] <SuperCatFrog> ogra - i'd love to move to norway, but im stuck in the UK for the forseeable future
[07:09] <kahuna_> Zotnix, Ipod?
[07:09] <kenny> Isnt norway apart of europe
[07:09] <Zotnix> Nope
[07:09] <owlmanatt> Zotnix: Probably like a normal USB storage device.
[07:09] <Zotnix> I can't find it in /dev/
[07:09] <SuperCatFrog> kenny - not properly iirc
[07:09] <nydust> wI have installed apache2 with php4 but i cant load php sites
[07:10] <owlmanatt> Zotnix: When you plug it in, check dmesg for what it assigns it to.
[07:10] <Zotnix> My other friend's mp3 automounted and it was /dev/sda
[07:10] <nydust> kenny, thats true
[07:10] <ztonzy> jordanau, yes and no...I am admin there....how so ?
[07:10] <kenny> Ohh yea i read norway has one foot in and one foot out of europe
[07:10] <Deviad> e-type, I mean it can't extract the archive readin from the first one...
[07:10] <nydust> kenny, i am from norway
[07:10] <kenny> whats true that noray is apart of europe
[07:10] <Deviad> the first file of the archive*
[07:10] <kenny> *srry norway
[07:10] <SuperCatFrog> nydust - wanna swap countries?
[07:10] <kenny> *srry again norway
[07:11] <Zotnix> It waited for the "device to settle"
[07:11] <Zotnix> Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[07:11] <Zotnix> Did that
[07:11] <Zotnix> And then nothing.
[07:11] <Zotnix> Hrm.
[07:11] <nydust> kenny, we are apart of europe
[07:11] <martinhj> kenny, in what way? where should the other foot be?
[07:11] <nydust> SuperCatFrog, where are you from?
[07:11] <SuperCatFrog> well the UK general election is in may, hopefully enough people will be pissed at the immigration mess to vote UKIP
[07:11] <owlmanatt> Zotnix: What is it?
[07:11] <kahuna_> I'm impressed with the hotplug/udev combination. Makes things easier than MS windows at times even
[07:11] <SuperCatFrog> nydust - north UK, where we eat pies with our hands
[07:11] <kenny> They shouldnt charge people to  decode they should charge for encoding to DVD with encryption
[07:11] <Zotnix> A USB mp3 player. 128 MB
[07:11] <chaitatp> munki: what's that hoary-updates?
[07:12] <ogra> chaitatp, for the calendar and the like
[07:12] <Jurku> Zotnix: what does dmesg say?
[07:12] <chaitatp> ogra: the calendar? what do you mean?
[07:12] <Zotnix> Jurku: in #flood
[07:12] <nydust> SuperCatFrog, uk are nice
[07:12] <kenny> So if Norway is apart then they aint doing what there suposed to be doing, bad norway. if the UK has to suffer so should norway
[07:12] <Jurku> Zotnix: ok,,
[07:12] <chaitatp> ogra: i am so new to ubuntu and debian... pls explain more about hoary-updates?
[07:13] <ogra> chaitatp, ubuntu-calendar is a package that changes your desktop background on a monthly base
[07:13] <nydust> kenny, what do you mean?
[07:13] <Arnia> Uhh... isn't discussion of the merits of various right wing parties in the UK a bit off topic?
[07:13] <envel> How tell samba not to use 445 port???
[07:13] <hugo_> soir les gens, a farte?...
[07:13] <SuperCatFrog> nydust - i like being english, and living in england (although i'd swap for iceland or norway) i just have uk "up bushes arse" politics
[07:13] <hugo_> :$
[07:13] <Alfred1881> did anyone ever do an KDEupgrade with Konstruct ? how many days (hours) took it ?
[07:13] <Jurku> Zotnix: do you have /dev/scsi/ ?
[07:13] <e-type> Deviad: you sure the archive is okay?
[07:13] <ogra> chaitatp, with new artwork ....
[07:13] <kenny> i dont know now i dont remember the start of the convo
[07:13] <SuperCatFrog> kenny - norway is part of the european continent, but not the european union (iirc)
[07:13] <Deviad> I guess so
[07:13] <nydust> SuperCatFrog, i c
[07:13] <Zotnix> julien: nope
[07:13] <Deviad> I'm rebootin to windows
[07:13] <Deviad> to check
[07:13] <chaitatp> ogra: ah! so it's not about the large amount of s/w which i can find it from hoary main
[07:13] <SuperCatFrog> zotnix - its probably /dev/sda or /dev/sda1
[07:13] <Nachtengel> is there another way to set your samba workgroup other than workgroup = WORKGROUP in smb.conf?
[07:13] <nydust> SuperCatFrog, thats true, we are not in EU
[07:14] <Zotnix> SuperCatFrog: nope.
[07:14] <nydust> And i hope we never will be
[07:14] <Zotnix> I checked for that first.
[07:14] <kenny> Ohh who cares as long as i can download and use Decss from a country were its legal i dont care
[07:14] <ogra> chaitatp, a stable ubuntu doesnt get updates execpt scurity fixes
[07:14] <Jurku> Zotnix: my mp3 player goes some place like /dev/scsi/host0/lun0/disc ...
[07:14] <Slipie> Hi everybody
[07:14] <Zotnix> I don't have /dev/ssci
[07:14] <kenny> hi slipie
[07:14] <Zotnix> Erm
[07:14] <Zotnix> scsi
[07:14] <Jurku> ok
[07:14] <envel> Nachtengel: i think there isn't
[07:14] <nydust> kenny, its leagal in norway ;)
[07:14] <_aSeSiNo_> someone has configured hp psc 1315 with cups+samba+a xp client
[07:14] <_aSeSiNo_> ?
[07:14] <kenny> YIPPY
[07:14] <Slipie> My ubuntu installation won't go any futher after the detection of my cd players :(
[07:14] <ogra> chaitatp, so hoary-updates is only used for this package currently....
[07:15] <kenny> I cant wait for Scotland to split from England and Europe
[07:15] <Nachtengel> 'cause my workgroup value is showing up in my domain field, and MSHOME is listed as my default workgroup
[07:15] <chaitatp> ah
[07:15] <nydust> in what file do i enable php4 in apache2?
[07:15] <_aSeSiNo_> someone has configured hp psc 1315 with cups+samba+a xp client
[07:15] <chaitatp> ogra: so i don't need the line `` deb http://th.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted'' actually
[07:16] <_aSeSiNo_> i did google! already and nothing useful
[07:16] <Jurku> Zotnix: are you sure that dmesg doesn't say anything else about that mp3 player?
[07:16] <ogra> chaitatp, i'd leave it in, you never know ;)
[07:16] <Zotnix> Jurku: That is all it says.
[07:16] <ogra> chaitatp, what exactly do you plan to do ?
[07:16] <owlmanatt> I have a problem like that with my camera. Debian won't put it anywhere, no matter what.
[07:17] <owlmanatt> I just slaped it into my TSL box, which is redhat derrived, and it worked.
[07:17] <cens0red> is there a free pascal compiler anywhere in ubuntu's repositories?
[07:17] <Zotnix> Device Manager shows it as mp3 player
[07:17] <cens0red> or should I dl and compile the source?
[07:17] <Zotnix> Shows scsi device
[07:17] <Jurku> does it say where it's located? :)
[07:17] <goldfish> cens0red: apt-cache search pascal
[07:17] <kenny> So back to my question, does anyone know how to stop Firestarter from replying to pings
[07:17] <goldfish> cens0red: might answer your question
[07:17] <chaitatp> ogra: please read this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26419
[07:18] <Slipie> Does anybody know how i can get ubuntu install on my laptop?
[07:18] <Zotnix> Gives a weird path to /sys/devices...
[07:18] <chaitatp> ogra: and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26817
[07:18] <ogra> cens0red, look for gpc
[07:18] <Jurku> Zotnix: please give a full path..
[07:18] <cens0red> ogra same thing as fpc?
[07:18] <chaitatp> ogra: i have some problems about bad signature
[07:18] <ogra> cens0red, gnu pascal compiler
[07:19] <chaitatp> ogra: W: GPG error: http://th.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates
[07:19] <Zotnix>  /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.2/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0
[07:19] <ogra> chaitatp, the gpg error should go away after you update your package lists
[07:19] <chaitatp> ogra: that i think it's better to remove that line off, because i can't ``sudo apt-get update'' with that error, you know?
[07:20] <Zotnix> lsmod: scsi_mod              119936  1 usb_storage
[07:20] <Jurku> Zotnix: try mounting that :)
[07:20] <chaitatp> ogra: i've done it several time
[07:20] <ogra> chaitatp, thats only a warning, shouldnt stop your upgrade
[07:20] <chaitatp> and it just shrugged
[07:20] <chaitatp> ogra: i c
[07:20] <ogra> chaitatp, but if you feel safer, uncomment it...
[07:20] <chaitatp> ogra: then will that error message disappear someday?
[07:21] <chaitatp> ogra: if i just keep ``apt-get update'' with hoary-updates line
[07:21] <ogra> chaitatp, it shouldnt occur....i'v only seen that on partially upgraded systems till now
[07:21] <elektrolyytti> is it possible to run program from bash for det. time? so it closes itself after set time
[07:21] <Zotnix> Jurku: Doesn't work.
[07:21] <Jurku> plaah
[07:22] <Jurku> what does it say?
[07:22] <Zotnix> Well, the path is a directory
[07:22] <oxigen> anyone, how can i use root-tail with gnome?
[07:22] <chaitatp> ogra: you know, that make me like crazy for the past 3 days, that i was re-installing ubuntu
[07:22] <Jurku> is there anything inside that directory?
[07:23] <moquist> which package has make-kpkg in it?
[07:23] <chaitatp> ogra: just for the sake of that error
[07:23] <darksatanic> moquist: kernel-package
[07:23] <ogra> chaitatp, from sratch ? (hoary or warty ?)
[07:23] <goldfish> oxigen: apt-get install root-tail
[07:23] <ogra> scratch indeed
[07:23] <Zotnix> Nothing I can discern. A few text files.
[07:23] <oxigen> goldfish: did you try it?
[07:23] <moquist> darksatanic: heh; they should mention that on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[07:23] <ogra> moquist, kernel-package afaik
[07:23] <vs_zach> hey
[07:23] <vs_zach> i am having a problem
[07:23] <Jurku> Zotnix: ok, I'm running out of ideas then, sorry :)
[07:24] <goldfish> oxigen: www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~goldfish/Screenshot-1.png
[07:24] <darksatanic> moquist: For future reference, apt-file answers questions like that for you.
[07:24] <intinig_> is there a gui for grub?
[07:24] <chaitatp> ogra: nopeeeeeeee hoary, from the binary cd, of course
[07:24] <goldfish> oxigen: i have it running on xfce
[07:24] <intinig_> I mean for grub configuration
[07:24] <goldfish> oxigen: that's it top left
[07:24] <moquist> darksatanic: oooo, cool.  I've always resorted to google before... (on other distros)
[07:24] <vs_zach> when i apt-get'ed fluxbox it installed a really old version
[07:24] <ogra> chaitatp, and there you see this error ? without having modified your sources.list ?
[07:24] <vs_zach> and when i tried to install the newer version i downloaded from fluxbox.org
[07:25] <chaitatp> ogra: definitely
[07:25] <vs_zach> it told me i needed a newer fluxbox-menu than 1.14 had
[07:25] <oxigen> goldfish: heh, xfce is not the same...
[07:25] <ogra> chaitatp, sounds like a candidate for a bugreport ;)
[07:25] <evilmegaman> How do I exit a frozen program?
[07:25] <chaitatp> ogra: and noone tell me that there's no problem about that seriously that i can still install any packages i want but you
[07:25] <goldfish> oxigen: that is true :)
[07:26] <chaitatp> ogra: bugreport! sound interesting, how could i send it, though
[07:26] <DocUb> What does: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library mean?
[07:26] <ogra> chaitatp, W: means warning.... E: means error.... warnings dont stop you from working.... errors do...
[07:26] <Zotnix> Maybe it doesn't help that I'm on Breezy
[07:26] <oxigen> goldfish: I dont know is it possible in gnome?
[07:26] <Zotnix> :/
[07:26] <ogra> chaitatp, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:27] <goldfish> oxigen: well, i googled for running it in xfce, and i found a script for starting it up.
[07:27] <ogra> Zotnix, breezy wont be usable in the nest weeks...
[07:27] <envel> Help me please! How to make gnome-vfs (smb:///) use port 139 first (instead of 445)?
[07:27] <chaitatp> ogra: thx again
[07:27] <chaitatp> ogra: now i can install my favourite apps :$... a shame on me W: means warning
[07:27] <ogra> Zotnix, there is not even half of it compiled on the buildd's
[07:28] <goldfish> oxigen: should be one for gnome i'd imagine.
[07:28] <Guga> got the error for why blender won't run...
[07:28] <elektrolyytti> hmm my kernel was updated automatically when i ran ubuntu update.. now how can i remove the grub list and remove the old kernel from boot list?
[07:28] <DocUb> Who's using IRSSI?
[07:28] <goldfish> DocUb: me
[07:28] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:28] <ogra> elektrolyytti, remove the old kernel...
[07:28] <ogra> elektrolyytti, (the package)
[07:28] <DocUb> goldfish, do you know th ecommand to remove the part and join on IRC?
[07:28] <oxigen> goldfish: yes, I know that works in xfce, but I'm not shure for gnome, but since root-tail have ID option...
[07:28] <elektrolyytti> ogra: does it remove it from list too?
[07:28] <goldfish> oxigen: aye
[07:29] <goldfish> hmm..
[07:29] <webtoe> Guga: sounds like you have no OpenGL
[07:29] <ogra> elektrolyytti, it cleans te grub menu automatically
[07:29] <DocUb> it's getting quite annoying
[07:29] <goldfish> DocUb: no idea, sorry
[07:29] <Guga> how to remedy, webtoe?
[07:29] <elektrolyytti> ogra: ok, ty
[07:29] <goldfish> DocUb: try in the irssi channel, #irssi
[07:29] <DocUb> no worries :) I'll check the irssi site again
[07:29] <DocUb> yea, good tip, thnx gld
[07:29] <webtoe> Guga: what graphics card and graphics card driver you using? some don't have any OpenGL yet
[07:29] <goldfish> np
[07:29] <Guga> Nvidia
[07:30] <webtoe> Guga: you using their drivers? if not then you'll have to
[07:30] <elektrolyytti> is it possible to run program from bash for det. time? so it closes itself after set time
[07:30] <Guga> 8 mb Nvidia TNT2
[07:30] <ogra> Guga, with the ubuntu nividia driver ?
[07:30] <Guga> yes
[07:30] <webtoe> Guga: ok, i take that back, you should get open gl i think with the X drivers
[07:30] <webtoe> let me check
[07:30] <ogra> Guga, and glxgears works for you ?
[07:30] <Guga> glxgears?
[07:30] <Guga> :P
[07:30] <ogra> Guga, run it from a terminal
[07:31] <ogra> Guga, it'll tell you if the driver is installed correctly
[07:31] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:31] <Guga> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[07:31] <ogra> Guga, so your nvidia driver isnt working right
[07:31] <ogra> Guga, how did you install it ?
[07:31] <Guga> came with the tower
[07:31] <ogra> Guga, followed the BinaryDriverHowto from the wiki ?
[07:31] <goldfish> oxigen: http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/root-tail-xfdesktop.txt <- That's the script for running it in xfce, you might be able to try command to run it in gnome, it may work. worth a try i suppose
[07:32] <Guga> will do
[07:32] <ogra> Guga, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:32] <Guga> going
[07:32] <ogra> Guga, only tweo steps for nvidia and a reboot ;)
[07:32] <oxigen> goldfish: I did it already, but I don't know in which window to render it ... :/
[07:32] <InitMass> the move to utf8 in hoary has without doubt come with some problems
[07:33] <goldfish> oxigen: oh right, hmmm....
[07:33] <ogra> InitMass, huh ??
[07:33] <goldfish> oxigen: you could try the #gnome channel maybe ?
[07:33] <goldfish> they might know
[07:34] <InitMass> ogra, openoffice, nano, aterm and more apps can't handle it
[07:34] <Guga> ty ogra
[07:34] <oxigen> goldfish: it looks like there are all dead
[07:34] <DocUb> Anyone know how I can fix this:  Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib/libaudiofile.so.0
[07:34] <goldfish> :/
[07:34] <ogra> InitMass, but you have the langpacks installed as needed i assume....
[07:35] <ogra> InitMass, like described in the upgrade notes
[07:35] <oxigen> goldfish: I cant even find if it is possible or impossible ...
[07:35] <webtoe> I've never had problems with utf. loads of libraries support it from the get go.....
[07:35] <goldfish> oxigen: it has to be possible
[07:35] <webtoe> any error messages?
[07:36] <evilmegaman> So how do I exit frozen programs?
[07:36] <goldfish> evilmegaman: kill it
[07:36] <webtoe> xkill
[07:36] <ogra> evilmegaman, gui stuff ?
[07:36] <webtoe> then click the window
[07:36] <InitMass> ogra, i think it wouldn't hurt to read that upgrade guide once more. i have tried alot to get it working myself but apperently it's not enough. do you sit on that url?
[07:36] <evilmegaman> Yeah
[07:36] <ogra> evilmegaman, alt-f2 and run xkill
[07:36] <evilmegaman> Ok thanks :)
[07:36] <ogra> evilmegaman, then klick on the app
[07:36] <oxigen> goldfish: you run xfce right now, right?
[07:36] <eruin> evilmegaman: add the forced shutdown applet to gnome-panel if you're running gnome ;)
[07:37] <evilmegaman> Ok cool :) thanks eruin
[07:37] <mjc> hmm why do I get locale warnings?
[07:37] <goldfish> oxigen: yep
[07:37] <ogra> InitMass, heh, nope, its public in the wiki, i dont sit on it ;) https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:37] <mjc> LANGis unset among other things
[07:37] <eruin> hoary eh?
[07:37] <ibarney5> Hello everyone.
[07:37] <eruin> :-)
[07:37] <ogra> mjc, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:37] <DocUb> good :-D
[07:37] <intinig_> is there a gui to configure grub?
[07:37] <DocUb> breezy is much better, from what I am experiencing on my end
[07:38] <graabein> crimsun, are you there man?
[07:38] <InitMass> ogra, "sit"
[07:38] <eruin> DocUb: I have a feeling gcc4, etc is going to get me into trouble though
[07:38] <eruin> cause I also follow alot of other development branches
[07:38] <burgermann> Lo. does anyone know if Mac OS drivers are somewhat combatible with ubuntu =D, not that I really think so. Just askin since Mac OS is based on unix too :)
[07:38] <ogra> InitMass, heh
[07:38] <DocUb> here's the thing though with the java libs too with Breezy is that they don't compile
[07:38] <dcraven> intinig_, not that I'm aware of.
[07:38] <webtoe> burgermann: no its not compatible, different kernels
[07:38] <graabein> question... why do i get segmentation fault when i start xmms and glxinfo??
[07:39] <ibarney5> Can you set the screen resolution to 1024X768?  I only see 640X480.
[07:39] <burgermann> right
[07:39] <shining> DocUb, whats better?
[07:39] <oxigen> goldfish: if you run xprop -root where on list is window on which you render root-tail?
[07:39] <ogra> DocUb, breezy isnt even compiled, there are only few packages yet
[07:39] <DocUb> Breezy is better from what I am experiencing on my end other than Hoary
[07:39] <shining> DocUb, I wanted to switch to breezy, but it only updated 4 packages
[07:39] <ICU> hmm anyone else having problems building a kernel-image under breezy?
[07:39] <shining> DocUb, I dont see how it could be much different
[07:39] <DocUb> ogra: true
[07:39] <ogra> DocUb, you currently use a hoary with some debian recompiles ;)
[07:39] <DocUb> the dev is different on command than hoary, such as my perl
[07:40] <DocUb> yea true ogra
[07:40] <intinig_> dcraven: thx, I resorted editing /boot/menu.lst
[07:40] <intinig_> and hoping it will work :D
[07:40] <DocUb> but I am constantly getting updates from the breezy backend as well, which is good
[07:40] <ogra> DocUb, and be sure, it will break very heavy the next weeks...
[07:40] <intinig_> I'll let you know :)
[07:40] <goldfish> oxigen: one second
[07:40] <DocUb> what do you mean ogra?
[07:40] <dcraven> intinig_, you backed up the good one though right? The current one?
[07:40] <dcraven> ...
[07:41] <DocUb> omg these part and joins are killing me from being able to view this chat room
[07:41] <dcraven> Okay I'm gonna write a "Fix your bad resolution" wiki page right now.
[07:41] <ogra> DocUb, we'll change the packages and we'll have a transition from gcc3.x to gcc4.0
[07:41] <DocUb> heheh
[07:41] <DocUb> yea I see what you mean now
[07:41] <ibarney5> Thanks dcraven.
[07:41] <DocUb> I'm using the current gcc 4.0 right now
[07:41] <ogra> DocUb, so better expect bad things ;)
[07:42] <elektrolyytti> Is the cd shipping still "working"?
[07:42] <DocUb> in most cases ogra that is true
[07:42] <ogra> elektrolyytti, sure
[07:42] <goldfish> oxigen: it's 10th in that list
[07:42] <DocUb> hoping that it won't be to bad
[07:42] <ogra> DocUb, lets see :)
[07:42] <dcraven> ibarney5, but for now, open up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (assuming Hoary) file in a text editor.
[07:42] <DocUb> ;)
[07:43] <elektrolyytti> ogra: any idea when do i get the cds? i set order hmm about jan. or feb.
[07:43] <dcraven> ibarney5, then search for the word HorizSync and VertRefresh. Are they there?
[07:43] <ogra> elektrolyytti, i only have experience with warty... 6-8 weeks was the average there....
[07:44] <InitMass> ogra, thank for pointing me in the right direction. i was missing two of those packages they talked about in the guide
[07:44] <DocUb> ogra, have you found any bugs in the java libs yet ?
[07:45] <Guga> ogra getting and congif nvidia-glx didn't get blender to work
[07:45] <DocUb> seems the libjava-gnome-doc isn't compiling at all, which is what I need for a pre-config
[07:45] <ogra> DocUb, i'm not using any java here, sorry... but i know there has happened a lot...
[07:45] <DocUb> ok
[07:45] <ogra> Guga, but your driver works now ?
[07:45] <Guga> for the GUI?
[07:45] <ibarney5> I'm not seeing it.  I just created a LiveCD so I may not be using Hoary.  I do see several resolution sizes listed.
[07:45] <ogra> Guga, with glxgears
[07:45] <DocUb> brb
[07:46] <dcraven> ibarney5, oh.. You are on the LiveCD?
[07:46] <Guga> same error, ogra
[07:46] <ibarney5> Yes
[07:46] <ogra> Guga, so your driver isnt installed correctly....
[07:46] <ogra> Guga, try his: lsmod|grep nvidia
[07:46] <oxigen> goldfish: hmm, thank you
[07:46] <ogra> Guga, do you get any output ?
[07:47] <dcraven> ibarney5, hmm.. Well I dunno if it's worth fixing since it'll probably go back to the low resolution next time you boot into it I think.
[07:47] <Guga>  ogra how do you type the symbol between lsmod and grep nvidia?
[07:47] <goldfish> oxigen: no problem. Good luck with it.
[07:48] <ogra> Guga, copy and paste it ;)
[07:48] <\sh> guga: altgr+<
[07:48] <ogra> Guga, (on my german keyboard ist altGr+< )
[07:48] <\sh> on the english keyboard it's shift+\ i think
[07:48] <goldfish> oxigen: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-22326.html
[07:48] <ibarney5> O.K.  I'll live with it for now.  I'm just playing around with it for now anyways.  I'll probably install it on the computer later though.  Thanks for the help.
[07:49] <Strog> yes shift+\
[07:49] <goldfish> oxigen: search for the term gnome on that page. There is some info on it.
[07:49] <goldfish> it's half way down
[07:49] <dcraven> ibarney5, okay, good luck :)
[07:49] <Guga> okay, ogra, I did lsmod|grep nvidia
[07:49] <ogra> Guga, any output ?
[07:49] <Guga> (thanx Strog)
[07:49] <Guga> no output, ogra
[07:50] <ogra> Guga, so your nvidia kernel module is missing...
[07:50] <ogra> Guga, try: grep nvidia /etc/modules
[07:50] <Guga> might be with last night's popcorn
[07:50] <Guga> no luck, ogra
[07:51] <ogra> Guga, but you ran the command from BinaryDriverHowto ?
[07:51] <Guga> yes, to the letter ogra
[07:51] <ogra> Guga, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:52] <ogra> Guga, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:52] <ogra> Guga, and then reboot...
[07:52] <webtoe> i take it he didn't reboot
[07:52] <ogra> yep
[07:55] <Fab2> i use gnome 2.10, how can i set a certain window as "dock", so that no other window can occupy its space?
[07:55] <Fab2> sort of like a panel, but for any application
[07:55] <Fab2> or is that even possible?
[07:55] <Slipie> hi everybody, my ubuntu installation hangs when he tries to detect my network hardware
[07:55] <webtoe> Fab2: not sure its possible. www.google.co.uk/linux not show up anything?
[07:55] <Slipie> does anybody know a solution
[07:56] <webtoe> Slipie: well you haven't told us the problem
[07:56] <webtoe> need to know what hardware you have
[07:56] <webtoe> what you have tried
[07:56] <webtoe> any error messages
[07:56] <Guga> no luck after reboot ogra
[07:56] <Fab2> i dont really know what to search for (panel would obviously not return what i want..)
[07:56] <Gnome> does anybody know ware I can find Sun java2 for ubuntu amd64_86??
[07:57] <Slipie> webtoe: the entire hardware if my laptop or just the network interface?
[07:57] <webtoe> Slipie: just the network interface for starters since that seems to be the main sticking point
[07:57] <webtoe> Fab2: erm, persistent windows? erm......... not sure either actually
[07:57] <Fab2> ill try
[07:58] <webtoe> Fab2: you can make a window always stay on top of any others....
[07:58] <Fab2> yeah, but thats not what i want
[07:58] <Slipie> well the wireless card is a Intel  Pro/Wireless 2915ABG, 802.11a/b/g MiniPCI Wireless LAN
[07:58] <webtoe> ok...
[07:58] <cens0red> how the hell did I just get 50 KB/sec on dialup?
[07:58] <Gnome> The java on the office site for amd64bit do not work if you install i get file corupted:s
[07:58] <Fab2> because, the window below it is covered then
[07:58] <EvilIdler> Gnome: blackdown.org works for me
[07:59] <_dave_> Quick question, anyone here for a Leadtek WinFast DV2000 TV capture card?
[07:59] <Gnome> EvilIdler: yes blackdown works but blackdown do not work on the site for online banking:s
[07:59] <neighborlee> I just installed gftp via synaptic..added to my gnome-panel..says: icon not found even if I chooose gftp>properties: icon: browse: its there in the image list for icons..I choose it but still says : Details: Icon not found ????
[08:00] <webtoe> Slipie: you have a centrino laptop?
[08:00] <Gnome> neighborlee: look in your home desktop:)
[08:00] <EvilIdler> Gnome: Change bank. Java isn't really a good idea for that in my opinion ;)
[08:00] <Slipie> yes
[08:00] <Gnome> EvilIdler: lol:p
[08:00] <neighborlee> Gnome: the gftp 'icon' is not on my home desktop ;-)
[08:00] <Fab2> webtoe: no success
[08:00] <Fab2> neighbor: try to restart gnome-panel
[08:00] <thomerz> hmmmmm i have a libasound.so.2 for alsa, what is the file for esd?
[08:01] <zab_> what's wrong with Sun java?
[08:01] <neighborlee> Fab2, is this a known issue with 2.10 and some icons ?
[08:01] <Fab2> sometimes the icons dont appear immediately, but only after a reboot/logout-login/panel restart
[08:01] <EvilIdler> Gnome: My bank uses some crappy javascript to make links only work once, but it's more tolerable than bloody java ;)
[08:01] <Fab2> it happened to me before
[08:01] <Gnome> neighborlee: I will the a look here i have just install gftp to:)
[08:01] <neighborlee> Gnome, kewl
[08:01] <neighborlee> Fab2, ok thx
[08:01] <neighborlee> Fab2, mainly with 2.10 ?
[08:01] <Fab2> but i dont remember if it was like that with gftp
[08:01] <Gnome> EvilIdler: i will go to my bank en see that the site s*cks:p
[08:01] <neighborlee> ok
[08:01] <Fab2> havent tried anything else ;)
[08:01] <webtoe> Slipie: I'm afraid its been a while since I did the install. Try choosing the expert install and then skipping the network hardware detection. you don't need it
[08:02] <neighborlee> Fab2, heh...ok
[08:02] <graabein> allright! we have 3d graphics! installed 6629 drivers from nvidia.com
[08:02] <Slipie> webtoe: how do i start the expert install?
[08:02] <EvilIdler> Gnome: When I see a crappy site like that, I send them a job-application
[08:03] <webtoe> erm..... when you stick the cd in and start the computer, you should be able to choose expert install.  You'll have to check the ubuntu documentation for more detailed instructions
[08:03] <webtoe> fraid its been a while since I've looked at the installation
[08:03] <Fab2> i think its a boot parameter
[08:03] <Slipie> allright thanks :)
[08:03] <Fab2> press the f keys from 1 to 8 and look for it ;)
[08:04] <graabein> love comes in spurts! richard hell, we have opengl!
[08:04] <webtoe> Gnome: are you having problems with javascript? or does the bank use java for online stuff?
[08:04] <Fab2> graabein: :)
[08:04] <graabein> 6560 fps!
[08:04] <zab_> sites that require java are much better than sites that require IE
[08:04] <Gnome> webtoe: yes the java vm and the java 2
[08:05] <zab_> our 401k provider website just kicks you out if they don't detect IE
[08:05] <Gnome> i have install the java from blackdown but do not work on the site
[08:05] <nuopus> hopefully the number of IE only sites will drop as firefox takes marketshare
[08:05] <webtoe> Gnome: is your problem with the site itself? or is the plugin not installing properly?
[08:05] <zab_> just saying it could be much worse... java isn't that hard to install and runs alright on linux
[08:05] <webtoe> zab_: at least you can spoof having IE!
[08:06] <Gnome> tis the problem with the site
[08:06] <zab_> webtoe: and what happens when they trigger all that activeX crap that works only with IE?
[08:06] <webtoe> hmmm bummer
[08:06] <Fab2> zab_ they actually use that? :S
[08:06] <webtoe> zab_: that's when i get out the hammer and look for where the server is..... :P
[08:06] <bob_> hey, whats the default root passw?...
[08:07] <bob_> ug nm
[08:07] <Gnome> neighborlee: idd here also no icon, but i have just make a starter to /usr/bin/gftp
[08:07] <zab_> webtoe: btw where can I read how to do the spoofing?  i wanna give it a try
[08:07] <webtoe> zab_: which browser you using? firefox? if so then you need the extension....
[08:07] <zab_> yeah, ffox
[08:08] <oxigen> goldfish: thank you, probably I will need to restart X later
[08:08] <webtoe> go to tools, extensions and then get more extensions.
[08:08] <zab_> k.. which one is it?
[08:09] <SpaceNuts> hi
[08:09] <SpaceNuts> I found a strange thing
[08:09] <Fab2> hi
[08:09] <Fab2> zab_ user agent switcher
[08:09] <SpaceNuts> I was just editing the rights of the users using the GUI tool
[08:09] <zzyber> i try to uninstall (remove) openoffice but synaptic wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, i dont want that.........what can i do?
[08:10] <] BreliC[> bob_, there isn't one
[08:10] <webtoe> zab_: just looking! can't remember ;-)
[08:10] <SpaceNuts> and accidently turned off admin priviliges (sudoers)
[08:10] <SpaceNuts> for all users I have
[08:10] <SpaceNuts> and that was the end of the story
[08:10] <SpaceNuts> do I need to boot with a LiveCD and change the sudoers file
[08:10] <Fab2> spacenuts: recovery mode
[08:10] <SpaceNuts> or is there another solution
[08:10] <] BreliC[> bob_, if you want to set one up, use 'sudo passwd'.  it will ask you for your password (regular user), then it will ask you for a new root password
[08:10] <SpaceNuts> ah right
[08:10] <SpaceNuts> never tought of that
[08:10] <SpaceNuts> thanks
[08:10] <sdogi> hey guys, does anyone know why  i have like /dev and /.dev ?
[08:11] <sdogi> i got the .dev when upgrading to hoary it seems
[08:11] <sdogi> s/upgrading
[08:11] <] BreliC[> hmm, guess i was talking to myself
[08:11] <Fab2> lol, brelic
[08:11] <webtoe> zab_: here you go https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59
[08:12] <zab_> thx guys, got it
[08:12] <sdogi> huh, sucks
[08:13] <Fab2> zab_ : http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=156&hl=agent  <- newer version
[08:13] <zzyber> how do i uninstall openoffice?
[08:13] <Fab2> sdogi: sry, dont know why or how to fix it, is anything in the .dev ?
[08:13] <mike_douglas> wondering a bit about multi-language support. I installed the proper language pack but when I tried to use GDM to log in under another language I got an error saying "Language fr_CA.UTF-8 does not exist. Using System Default"
[08:14] <Fab2> mike_douglas: do you have all the language packs installed?
[08:14] <Fab2> check in synaptic or aptitude
[08:14] <Fab2> works for me with the german ones
[08:15] <webtoe> zzyber: I think its apt-get uninstall openoffice though check the manpage for apt-get
[08:15] <mike_douglas> Fab2: both language-pack-fr and language-support-fr
[08:15] <Fah> Anyone know much abut multimedia/amd64 systems? Can I just use the regular w32 codecs with totem?
[08:16] <Fab2> apt-get remove <package> @ zybber
[08:16] <mjc> Fah, need a 32bit version of totem/mplayer to use them
[08:16] <Fab2> but i think removing openoffice removes ubuntu-desktop too
[08:16] <mike_douglas> Fah: no, a 64-bit program can't access a 32-bit library
[08:16] <Fah> mjc: K, and I take it there aren't 64 bit codecs for most of the video outputs yet?
[08:17] <mjc> Fah, sure there are, the ones in the repo are 64bit.
[08:17] <srbaker> yo
[08:17] <EvilIdler> Fah: Not a single Windows codec that I know of is 32-bit. You get the major codecs natively, though
[08:17] <srbaker> anyone here know of a GNOME RSS Aggregator that supports HTTP Digest authentication?
[08:17] <Fah> mjc: which repo? multiverse?
[08:17] <mjc> EvilIdler, you mean 64bit
[08:17] <larsrohdin> can someone help me with a ROX-filer problem?
[08:17] <mjc> Fah, taht's what I"m using
[08:17] <EvilIdler> mjc: Err..yes :P
[08:17] <mjc> windows xp x64 uses 32bit libs as well
[08:18] <mjc> 32bit media player
[08:18] <larsrohdin> i get this error message all the time, and my icons are all question marks...
[08:18] <larsrohdin> Failed to create symlink '/home/larsrohdin/.icons/ROX':
[08:18] <larsrohdin> File exists
[08:18] <larsrohdin> (this may mean that the ROX theme already exists there, but the 'mime-application:postscript' icon couldn't be loaded for some reason)
[08:18] <Fab2> whats inside the .icons/ROX folder?
[08:19] <Fab2> or file
[08:19] <MR_Highde> heeeello vietnam or whereever
[08:19] <Fab2> hallo mathias
[08:19] <MR_Highde> how do you like my new nick?
[08:19] <larsrohdin> Fab2, its a link to /usr/share/rox/ROX...
[08:19] <KDEGnome> hyeah.
[08:19] <Fab2> and whats in /usr/share/rox/ROX ? :P
[08:20] <MR_Highde> light sportsfag and enter the club is the mission for tonite
[08:20] <larsrohdin> 2 dir: 48x48 and scalable, and 2 files iconrc and iconrc-png
[08:20] <MR_Highde> so is there anything you have to beat this
[08:21] <MR_Highde> lil OGER
[08:21] <larsrohdin> Fab2, any ideas?
[08:21] <Fab2> lars: hold on
[08:21] <MR_Highde> howdie!
[08:21] <Fab2> lars: are all icons gone?
[08:22] <larsrohdin> Fab2, alla icons look the same at least... everything is a question mark...
[08:22] <Arcane> Whenever I try to configure dhcp3-server (or client), it can't figure out what interfaces to listen on, even WITH the interfaces configured.
[08:22] <Fab2> go to your themes settings
[08:22] <Fab2> go to theme details
[08:22] <Fab2> and select a different icon theme
[08:22] <Fab2> and see if it changes something
[08:22] <larsrohdin> gnome-themes? tried that...
[08:23] <gihad> Hey, i bought a notebook with an ATI mobile radeon x600, is there a driver from ATI that works ?
[08:23] <Fab2> then, try to move the symlink to another location, and restart X -> relogin
[08:23] <KDEGnome> yeah baby, i'm the kde gnome... awww yeeey.
[08:24] <djm62> quite!
[08:24] <larsrohdin> the /home/larsrohdin/.icons/ROX'?
[08:24] <gihad> will my mobile radeon X600 work with 3d ?
[08:24] <jordanau> i am setting up a computer for my parents that live 2 hrs away from me, i want to be able to administer it remotely and fix any problems they have, what do i need?
[08:24] <Fab2> lars:yeah
[08:25] <larsrohdin> ok, brb...
[08:25] <MidnightDevil> hi
[08:25] <SpaceNuts> mike_douglas: you still have that problem I fixed that yesterday with my Dutch translation
[08:25] <MidnightDevil> i just apt-get install xfce, now how i add it to the menus on kdm ?
[08:25] <Fab2> jordanau: remote login or ssh
[08:25] <SpaceNuts> mike_douglas: exactly the same error, except for the language file
[08:25] <Fab2> gihad: ati drivers should work fairly well, dont know about the specs of your card toh
[08:25] <jordanau> Fab2, are they pretty easy to set up??
[08:26] <Fab2> you could try reading through the ati driver thread at the forum
[08:26] <Fab2> jordanau: never tried before
[08:26] <Fab2> but the remote login should be easy enough id say
[08:26] <jordanau> Fab2, they are on dialup i am on cable will that be okay?
[08:26] <MidnightDevil> someone... ?
[08:26] <Fab2> jordanau: it will probably be quite slow
[08:27] <Fab2> midnightdevil: you cant add xfce to your kde menu
[08:27] <larsrohdin> Fab2, didn't work...
[08:27] <Fab2> hm :/
[08:27] <Fab2> still the same message?
[08:27] <MidnightDevil> Fab2, ok, so how do i start it?
[08:27] <Fab2> jordanau: if youre familiar with command line, use ssh server
[08:27] <jordanau> Fab2, will it be worth using vnc too or will ssh do everything i need?
[08:27] <jordanau> Fab2, i can get around...
[08:27] <Fab2> midnightdevil: logout of gnome, and select xfce as session and login normally
[08:28] <MidnightDevil> so "gdm" instead of "kdm" right ?
[08:28] <Fab2> jordanau: i guess ssh is enough for repairing/administairing
[08:28] <Fab2> no
[08:28] <Fab2> logout
[08:28] <MidnightDevil> cause im using kde
[08:28] <Fab2> and click on the session button on the login screen
[08:28] <Fab2> then select xfce
[08:28] <jordanau> MidnightDevil, dont control alt backspace you will lose all of your configuration from that session, i learned that the hard way
[08:28] <Fab2> its instead of kde, so to say
[08:28] <larsrohdin> Fab2, yeah still...
[08:29] <Fab2> hmm
[08:29] <SpaceNuts> can anyone please cat a sudoers file example?
[08:29] <MidnightDevil> Fab2,  that's the thing! there is no xfce
[08:29] <MidnightDevil> i meant - how do i add it ?
[08:29] <Fab2> what exactly does rox do?
[08:29] <Fab2> midnightdevil: did you install it?
[08:29] <reagleBRKLN> gamin_server has grabbed my removable media and won't let go, this was supposed to be fixed in 0.25 and ubuntu is 0.0.26-0ubuntu3 0
[08:29] <MidnightDevil> jordanau,  thank's for the advice :-)
[08:29] <larsrohdin> Fab2, you men the program?
[08:29] <MidnightDevil> Fab2,  yes
[08:29] <MidnightDevil> it returned no errors
[08:29] <reagleBRKLN> was it fixed in ubuntu, and how can i force it to let go?
[08:29] <Fab2> lars: yes
[08:29] <gihad> I do everything the forum says, but when i log in the screen is dark
[08:29] <Fab2> midnightdevil: dont know
[08:30] <larsrohdin> Fab2, its a filemanager
[08:30] <Fab2> midnightdevil: it worked without problems for me
[08:30] <bob_> hey, does ubuntu have mono 1.1.6?
[08:30] <djm62> jordanau: you might want to try nomachine's NX software
[08:30] <bob_> with gtk 1.1x?
[08:30] <Fab2> midnightdevil: try apt-get remove xfce4 && apt-get install xfce4
[08:30] <djm62> jordanau: it apparently makes X/vnc usable over slow links
[08:30] <Fab2> at command line
[08:30] <MidnightDevil> k
[08:31] <Fab2> larsrohdin: try searching for a solution with google maybe? im not familiar with Rox
[08:31] <jcole> how can i do a net install of ubuntu (minimal disk size)
[08:31] <envel> please, help me to configure "windows network" in gnome! There are no computers at all. Smbclient works.
[08:31] <larsrohdin> ok... yeah im trying on a forum on the internet to... but do you know a good filemanager?
[08:31] <eruin> bob_: no, it has mono 1.0.5
[08:31] <cowbud> djm62: isn't that a bitch to install ie a new xserver etc?
[08:31] <Fab2> lars: i use the default one
[08:32] <vxroot> :)
[08:32] <larsrohdin> ok, I use fluxbox... so...
[08:32] <Fab2> oh
[08:32] <chaitatp> good nite all folks
[08:32] <Fab2> well, i stick to gnome
[08:32] <djm62> cowbud: I don't have experience on it...I thought it was more like a simple add-on (or simple add new xserver etc ;))
[08:32] <Fab2> anyway, gtg now
[08:32] <Fab2> cya sometime :)
[08:33] <larsrohdin> cya!
[08:33] <cowbud> djm62: hrmm yah i'll wait until it starts getting packaged :)
[08:33] <larsrohdin> does anyone know a good filemanager?
[08:33] <djm62> cowbud: ah...I didn't realise it wasn't
[08:33] <envel> larsrohdin: nautilus, mc
[08:33] <thenuke> larsrohdin: emelfm
[08:34] <larsrohdin> thenuke, ive never tried that... ill give it a try.
[08:34] <djm62> saw it on the front of linux magazines a few months ago...assumed it was halfway to "deprecated" by now ;)
[08:36] <KDEGnome> i use x0rfb
[08:36] <KDEGnome> 'X0 remote framebuffer'
[08:36] <Bacon24> hey
[08:37] <Reblended> anyone here recommend smarttools? it's basically a hd monitoring tool?
[08:37] <Bacon24> tem algum brasileiro a?
[08:38] <elektrolyytti> is there any possibility to use graphical load screen in ubuntu? like in mandriva or suse?
[08:39] <mitza> hey
[08:39] <DocUb> 'lo :)
[08:39] <delire> elektrolyytti: look at 'bootsplash'
[08:39] <mitza> i cant run xmms neighter beep media player,on opening a mp3 it freezes
[08:39] <_dave_> I need to compile my own kernel, if I get the linux-source-2.6.11 from apt, do I need to patch it with the ubuntu kernel patches?
[08:39] <elektrolyytti> delire: not inside the gnome.. i mean when booting kernel, devices...
[08:40] <sp3tt> When does the installer ask where to isntall GRUB?
[08:40] <delire> elektrolyytti: yes, 'bootsplash'
[08:40] <sp3tt> *Install.
[08:40] <\sh> mitza: change your output plugin to esd (xmms)
[08:40] <scizzo> mitza: that because mp3 format is not support standard in ubuntu
[08:40] <elektrolyytti> delire: oh.. isnt that the load of gnome? oh.. ok.. ty :)
[08:41] <scizzo> mitza: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:41] <AngelGabriel> how can i blank a CDRW in ubuntu on the power PC?
[08:41] <Fazer> Guess what time it is today!
[08:42] <Fazer> Its time when Fazer goes and installs Ubuntu!
[08:42] <\sh> birthday of leonardo da vinci?
[08:42] <Gnome> party time??:p
[08:42] <AngelGabriel> been there, done that!
[08:42] <djm62> Fazer: best of luck
[08:42] <Fazer> ...but I am still soo scared =(
[08:42] <djm62> \sh: wasn't that last month?
[08:43] <sp3tt> Is there a handy all in one page install guide for Ubuntu?
[08:43] <djm62> Fazer: do you have another internet connected computer handy? you can always ask for help :)
[08:43] <\sh> djm62: no its today :)
[08:43] <\sh> djm62: check google :)
[08:43] <djm62> I must be thinking picasso
[08:43] <Fazer> djm62: Yeah, I do.  I will be using that.
[08:43] <AngelGabriel> sp3tt, I can give you a hand one line guide....... put the CD in, follow the prompts. It's that simple
[08:43] <sp3tt> For a complete idiot?
[08:44] <Fazer> djm62: For the liveCD to work properly on my laptop I had to pass it some boot parameters, do I do the same thing with the Installer?
[08:44] <p88> hi all
[08:44] <p88> is it possible to add a disk to a raid5 array?
[08:44] <djm62> !odranoeL ,yadhtrib yppaH
[08:44] <AngelGabriel> sp3tt, Even for a complete idiot! But if your online on a diffrent computer, then you can ask for help at any stage
[08:44] <djm62> Fazer: try without first...nothing to lose but time ;)
[08:44] <sp3tt> Well, what I worry about is messing up my windows boot.
[08:44] <mitza> it says :failled to open audio output:eSound Output plygin 1.2.10
[08:44] <sp3tt> I heard GRUB does that.
[08:45] <djm62> Does ubuntu do NTFS resizing?
[08:45] <png> is there a gui for mp3 encoding?
[08:45] <delire> mitza: i think you need the mp3 decoding libraries installed.
[08:45] <Fazer> djm62: Hmm, because when i give it boot parameters, the LiveCD properly configures DHCP.  But w/o it, it doesn't.  Same thing happens with the install cd, so I guess I am better off giving it the boot parameters.
[08:45] <InitMass> ogra, even if i have all those language packs installed it's still not working as it should.
[08:45] <Gnome> mitza: do you have the plugin's installd???
[08:45] <delire> mitza: there's a howto for this on the wiki AFAIK
[08:45] <mitza> i`m reading
[08:46] <mitza> sould i install ogg vorbis>
[08:46] <mitza> ?
[08:46] <djm62> Fazer: whatever works for you...you're at the keyboard, not me
[08:46] <Fazer> djm62: Sure, just asking.
[08:46] <Fazer> Time to backup my lovely laptop =(
[08:46] <ogra> InitMass, what language did you select after the reboot ?
[08:46] <AngelGabriel> sp3tt, have u ever used Linux before, or have you ever intstalled linux into a dual boot situation?
[08:46] <delire> mitza: the reason it's not in Ubuntu natively is due to the fast Ubuntu only ships free software by default. non-free (covered by patents or non GPL friendly licensing) must be installed by you after the fact.
[08:46] <InitMass> ogra, do i have to reboot?
[08:47] <delire> Fazer: how did you wifi work out?
[08:47] <InitMass> ogra, isn't it enough just to restart X?
[08:47] <sp3tt> AngelGabriel: My first linux experience was about 20 minutes ago.
[08:47] <png> is there a gui for mp3 encoding?
[08:47] <delire> Fazer: them bloody proprietary codecs ;)
[08:47] <sp3tt> When I booted the live cd.
[08:47] <delire> s/codecs/drivers
[08:47] <ogra> InitMass, if generated new locales that makes sense
[08:47] <djm62> sp3tt: I admire your enthusiasm :)
[08:47] <\sh> png: grip
[08:47] <Gnome> sp3tt: cool:)
[08:47] <delire> sp3tt: congrats!
[08:47] <Fazer> delire: Oh haha, i didn't =(
[08:48] <sp3tt> Well, FOSS is better than Proprietary.
[08:48] <djm62> but a headfirst dive into linux could be a bit intimidating...even these days
[08:48] <delire> Fazer: hmm, shame. did you find out what was up?
[08:48] <InitMass> ogra, i saw some were generated when installing
[08:48] <Fazer> delire: No, it just wouldn't turn on.  It would find wlan0 but it just won't do anything.
[08:48] <sp3tt> I agree with most of what RMS says, that makes me an ideal linux zealot, doesn't it?
[08:49] <delire> djm62: true, though i see with newcomers that have a windows dependency perhaps Suse and Mepis make the transition the easiest. my family and students i teach being examples.
[08:49] <ogra> InitMass, so do a reboot, select the wanted language on the login screen, and if it still oesnt work, file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com for your language pack
[08:49] <InitMass> ogra, the problem is that OOo doesn't show swedish letters when tryin to open a file. files with such letter in the filename wont be possible to open
[08:49] <Coffeeman> o loved Ubuntu... i still whit gentoo, but, maybe next release :)
[08:49] <delire> sp3tt: it's a good start ;)
[08:49] <InitMass> ogra, i'm using xdm and not gdm
[08:49] <sp3tt> I've looked at the screenshots for Ubuntu on OSDir.
[08:50] <ogra> InitMass, oh... with gnome ?
[08:50] <sp3tt> But there's no shots showing anything about a bootloader...
[08:50] <jcole> InitMass: install the open office swedish language package (and preferrably everything else swedish language)
[08:50] <revelater> man... all of my icons are the same?!
[08:50] <djm62> delire: I concur about SuSe being damn good: ubuntu is perfect for me because I've used debian since potato, but still prefer user-friendliness
[08:50] <InitMass> ogra, no with fluxbox
[08:50] <sp3tt> Does that require expert install?
[08:50] <delire> Fazer: well if i were you i'd look in the debian-laptop-list for others that have had the same issue. generally with linux, if you've hit a problem, someone else has too.
[08:50] <Fazer> delire: If my wlan card works fine in Suse 9.2 (from what I have heard) after installing the ndiswrapper drivers, it should work fine in Ubuntu, right?
[08:51] <ogra> InitMass, hmm, sorry, no idea how weel thats supported...
[08:51] <Fazer> delire: My problem is just wifi.
[08:51] <ogra> well even
[08:51] <revelater> hey guys, just installed hoary and all my files look the same
[08:51] <InitMass> jcole, everything is already installed
[08:51] <djm62> Fazer: ndiswrapper and stuff might be strange on livecd, but not when installed and configured
[08:51] <revelater> hey guys, just installed hoary and all my files look the same
[08:51] <ogra> InitMass, i know it works perfectly in the default setup...
[08:51] <revelater> ??
[08:52] <Fazer> djm62: Thanks, any reason why it is strange on the livecd?
[08:52] <ogra> InitMass, but in any case i'd reboot to make the new loacles work
[08:52] <revelater> help?
[08:52] <sp3tt> Does choosing where the bootloader is installed require expert install?
[08:52] <DocUb> anyone using XChat 2.4 and can tell me where I can hide the join/part?
[08:52] <delire> djm62: i still use debian, and have since potato (or earlier) also. i see that Mepis is probably the best example 'desktop class Linux', though only because it ships so much non-free product (ATI and NVDIA drivers, transcode codecs, wifi driver etc). Ubuntu however does a damn fine job while still keeping integrity with the GNU spirit.
[08:52] <DocUb> been awhile since I've used XChat so, kinda lost here
[08:53] <InitMass> ogra, ok
[08:53] <revelater> ?!?!?!
[08:53] <InitMass> ogra, now i got firefox in swedish. i dont want that :(
[08:53] <djm62> delire: I haven't used mepis...although the next time XP eats my dad's work, I'll suggest something like that to him
[08:54] <WeirdAl> Every time I run winetools, wine exits with a hundred and one error dialogues and then it says "wine was not configured!"
[08:54] <WeirdAl> This is when doing the first step
[08:54] <ubuntu_jim> can somebody verify that skype doesn;t work 'out of the box' on ubuntu, or is it just me?
[08:54] <ogra> InitMass, so if i understand it right you want a highly midex language system
[08:54] <WeirdAl> "Create a fake windows installation"
[08:54] <ogra> mixed
[08:54] <tritium> WeirdAl, the wine in universe is incompatible with the winetools on winehq.com
[08:54] <WeirdAl> That'll be why.
[08:54] <djm62> delire: the main thing that puts me off debian is #debian... you probably know what I mean
[08:54] <delire> djm62: it's had the biggest hit rate in diverse install targets i've come across, while still being 'Debian' in form (not spirit) underneath. Ubuntu however installs so well on the Macs..
[08:54] <shmoolik> http://img111.echo.cx/img111/3686/snapshot23ix.jpg
[08:54] <WeirdAl> Can I live without winetools?
[08:54] <ogra> tritium, really ?
[08:54] <tritium> WeirdAl, if you want, force the wine you install to be the version from winehq.com
[08:54] <tritium> ogra, yes
[08:55] <revelater> hey guys, just installed hoary and all my files icons are the same
[08:55] <InitMass> ogra, i don't know what you mean by midex
[08:55] <delire> djm62: it hasn't changed in years has it. a self-assasination of sorts for the debian movement..
[08:55] <WeirdAl> Tritium... how do I do that
[08:55] <sp3tt> Eh, wtf, I'll install ubuntu on my second disk.
[08:55] <InitMass> ogra, i want the system in english and be able to read/write swedish
[08:55] <ogra> tritium, YokoZar promised they would work fine together....i was about to include them in universe for hoary, pheew
[08:55] <revelater> hey guys, just upgraded from warty to hoary and all my files icons are the same
[08:55] <sp3tt> And then if it windows is not bootable, that can be fixed, right?
[08:55] <djm62> delire: yes, but those guys are far too intelligent to see that ;)
[08:55] <Fazer> djm62: So, why doesn't ndiswrapper work properly on the live cd?
[08:55] <ogra> InitMass, i meant mixed, sorry flipped the letters ;)
[08:55] <sp3tt> Everything runs under Ubuntu anyways
[08:56] <revelater> what went wrong?!?!?!
[08:56] <[paZx] > Hi to all people
[08:56] <AngelGabriel> sp3tt, have you tried the Live CD?
[08:56] <sp3tt> Yes
[08:56] <tritium> ogra, I tried them, and they do not work well together.
[08:56] <sp3tt> For about ten minutes.
[08:56] <mitza> i can`t make it work
[08:56] <InitMass> ogra, yep you could say that i want it mixed
[08:56] <ogra> tritium, thanks for reporting....
[08:56] <thierry_> Hi every body
[08:56] <djm62> Fazer: some configuration might not work because the livecd isn't writable...not sure what exactly would go wrong, but the livecd isn't exactly the same as the installed version
[08:56] <mitza> pls help
[08:56] <AngelGabriel> sp3tt, Do you have a spare machine to play around with?
[08:56] <ogra> InitMass, already rebooted ?
[08:56] <WeirdAl> tritium, I've got wine.sourceforge.net as a repo ... is that the right one?
[08:56] <sp3tt> I managed to surf the web, connect to irc and msn!
[08:56] <djm62> sp3tt: or a spare hard drive
[08:57] <tritium> WeirdAl, aptitude install wine=0.0.20050310-1 is what I'd do.
[08:57] <\sh> ogra: he wants english output and swedish keyboard input?
[08:57] <Fazer> djm62: Ah, gotcha, I will give it a try then.
[08:57] <ogra> tritium, i'll have an eagle eye on them for breezy
[08:57] <graabein> hey, someone mentioned a firefox extension to block flash ads????
[08:57] <sp3tt> Two 250 GB SATA disks >_>
[08:57] <ogra> \sh, yep
[08:57] <InitMass> ogra, no it's still to come
[08:57] <delire> graabein: yes, it rocks
[08:57] <ogra> InitMass, ah, ok
[08:57] <[paZx] > i have a problem with hoary. if i install grip and lame rhythmbox  tell me segmentation fault
[08:57] <tritium> ogra, I'll work with you on that if you like
[08:57] <graabein> delire, link?
[08:57] <sp3tt> In the machine, that is.
[08:57] <InitMass> ogra, ok i'll do it now. brb
[08:57] <djm62> sp3tt: room to put ubuntu on one disk?
[08:57] <sp3tt> No spare disk which is not used.
[08:57] <sp3tt> 250 GB...
[08:57] <WeirdAl> That says it's downgrading, which I guess is what I want.
[08:57] <delire> graabein: click on add-new-extensions or similar in firefox..
[08:57] <ogra> tritium, lets see, if YokoZar has some amd64 packages for me ;)
[08:58] <sp3tt> I say that's enough >_>
[08:58] <Jet2k5> Can someone help me reset my apache2, it's not working after the upgrade
[08:58] <sp3tt> apachectl -krestart?
[08:58] <ubuntu_jim> how is ALSA installed in ubuntu? with or without OSS support/emulation?
[08:58] <Lemonzest> ok i have a problem with powernowd
[08:58] <dcraven> Jet2k5, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[08:59] <Lemonzest> i have my amd 64 cllocked at 2.4G with a 240FSB
[08:59] <graabein> https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&category=Newest
[08:59] <moquist> ubuntu_jim: with OSS
[08:59] <tritium> ogra, okay...
[08:59] <Lemonzest> in windows c@Q works fine switching between 1.2G and 2.4
[08:59] <thierry_> could someone give me some explanations about ubuntu ? I have just installed it, but it didn't ask me for root password :-( what is it ?
[08:59] <Jet2k5> dcraven, yes that
[08:59] <cavediver> Anyone got a buggy Firefox since yesterday in Breezy ?
[08:59] <graabein> can't find it on that page...
[08:59] <Jet2k5> dcraven, done that, but still nothing
[08:59] <dcraven> Fazer, you installed Hoary yet?
[08:59] <Lemonzest> yet in linux it maxes at 2G the default of my prossor
[08:59] <Fazer> dcraven: I am about to!
[08:59] <ogra> tritium, but feel free to do the i386 part ;)
[08:59] <sp3tt> thierry_: root is not enabled in ubuntu.
[08:59] <dcraven> Fazer, heh
[08:59] <Lemonzest> but nothing has changed in bios
[08:59] <moquist> thierry_: ubuntu uses "sudo" instead
[09:00] <Fazer> dcraven: yeah, I am going to the other room where the desktop is and talk to you guys from there while I install Ubuntu on my laptop.
[09:00] <graabein> Fazer, i finally got my nvidia card working! installed nvidia binary 6629 drivers!
[09:00] <tritium> ogra, I'll take a look at it when I return from travel  :)
[09:00] <mitza> i cant make my xmms work :<
[09:00] <fishhead> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153569,00.html <--- proof GOD has a sense of humor or my meds are working better than I thought
[09:00] <thierry_> ok, thanks
[09:00] <delire> graabein: firefox will install all extensions for you automagically if you click on the Tools--> Extensions-->Get More Extensions
[09:00] <ogra> tritium, you travel ? where ?
[09:00] <Fazer> graabein: Uhm..nice? heh
[09:00] <mitza> or beep media player
[09:00] <dcraven> Jet2k5, nothing as in apache2 is not running? Was there any output to that command?
[09:00] <graabein> Fazer, very!
[09:00] <Zotnix> ogra: You said Breezy won't be usable for a few weeks. Is there danger in using it meanwhile.. I mean will I be forced to downgrade than upgrade?
[09:00] <tritium> ogra, I'm on Tucson right now.  Will be in Phoenix tonight.
[09:00] <ubuntu_jim> moquist: thnks. any ideas why skype isn;t producing sound?
[09:00] <mjc> beagle's cool.
[09:00] <graabein> delire, i did click that link but nothing happened
[09:00] <delire> graabein: BTW with 'glxgears' in the term what frame rate do you get?
[09:00] <Fazer> Alright, brb folks.
[09:00] <sp3tt> ubuntu_jim: Turn your speakers on? ;)
[09:01] <moquist> ubuntu_jim: haven't gotten skype to work yet, myself.  (in Ubuntu)
[09:01] <djm62> mjc: it's great....especially with gaim
[09:01] <ogra> tritium, ah, ok, i thought you'd be coming to UdU spontaneously :)
[09:01] <delire> graabein: perhaps you have to 'allow sites to install software' in preferences. don't forget to disable that later though ;)
[09:01] <ogra> Zotnix, depends....
[09:01] <stazz> How can I set my default soundcard?
[09:01] <Jet2k5> dcraven, no it's running, but it's not picking up my default webpages
[09:01] <ubuntu_jim> sp3tt, funny...
[09:01] <tritium> ogra, unfortunately, no...
[09:01] <delire> mjc: are you using beagle?
[09:01] <ogra> Zotnix, nobody can predict what will happen
[09:01] <Jet2k5> dcraven, when I tried to foward an ip to my computer it doesn't work
[09:01] <mjc> ubuntu_jim, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=esd
[09:01] <graabein> delire, found it. search for "flash"
[09:01] <sp3tt> ubuntu_jim: It is actually the msot common answer ;)
[09:01] <moquist> graabein, delire: you can enable just a particular site to install software
[09:01] <MidnightDevil> heya :D
[09:01] <ubuntu_jim> sp3tt, funny...
[09:01] <abarbaccia> hey all - preference question - im usually a kde guy but can't resist the ubuntu craze, and havn't gotten the time to try out kubuntu -- does mediaplayer compare to amarok?
[09:01] <Zotnix> ogra: Ah.. well I seperated / from /home so in the worst case scenario I just have to reinstall Ubuntu on /
[09:02] <dcraven> Jet2k5, gimme a URL.
[09:02] <mjc> delire, soon, after I finish upgrading to breezy
[09:02] <delire> stazz: i use 'alsaconf' for that.. but i think Ubuntu has another method.
[09:02] <ztonzy> delire, evening :)
[09:02] <stazz> delire: yeah, I kinda noticed :P
[09:02] <MidnightDevil> whats the easiest way to install apache, php n stuff on ubuntu? using apt-get?
[09:02] <ubuntu_jim> sp3tt, I know, it's the answer I give too, but I;m too busy atm for 'fun and games'... sorry ;)
[09:02] <tritium> graabein, you're not using the 7174 version nvidia drivers?
[09:02] <delire> stazz: i use debian.. probably shouldn't be here ;)
[09:02] <graabein> hmmm... that was an outdated extension
[09:02] <delire> ztonzy: hi there ;)
[09:02] <ogra> Zotnix, imagine mount has a weird bug that wipes your partition on the first mount ;)
[09:02] <graabein> tritium, no, i'm using 6629
[09:02] <tritium> graabein, how come?
[09:02] <moquist> MidnightDevil: if you're a CLI junkie, sure.  otherwise Synaptic.
[09:02] <ztonzy> delire, so you are here helping out ? :)
[09:02] <graabein> read somewhere (nvidia forum?) that other 6600 gt users had problems
[09:02] <thierry_> could you tell me how to turn X11 off ? (to install nvidia drivers)
[09:02] <Jet2k5> dcraven, sharpie.no-ip.org
[09:03] <MidnightDevil> ok :)
[09:03] <ogra> Zotnix, its really not something for systems with useful data on them
[09:03] <delire> ztonzy: not really, just dropped in to see how the most popular Desktop Distro of linux is going ;)
[09:03] <djm62> thierry_: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:03] <Zotnix> ogra: I have nothing useful.
[09:03] <ogra> Zotnix, at least not the first weeks
[09:03] <graabein> tritium, i couldnt get glxinfo running at all... segmentation fault
[09:03] <Zotnix> :p
[09:03] <thierry_> ok, thanks
[09:03] <ztonzy> delire, hehe :)
[09:03] <delire> graabein: what about glxgears?
[09:03] <graabein> tritium, i tried reinstalling and removing, using ubuntu nvidia etc
[09:03] <graabein> nope
[09:03] <djm62> thierry_: /etc/init.d/gdm start to restart once you're done
[09:03] <WeirdAl> tritium, it's working. Thanks much!
[09:03] <graabein> but now i got it working
[09:03] <mjc> ;)
[09:03] <tritium> WeirdAl, super :)
[09:03] <delire> graabein: are you sure that you have hardware accelleration then?
[09:03] <ztonzy> delire, btw,,,how does the game development go for you ?
[09:03] <WeirdAl> bye for now!
[09:04] <graabein> hmmm... well...
[09:04] <dcraven> Jet2k5, sfasdfasdf?
[09:04] <delire> ztonzy: good, today working alot with http://ogre3d.org
[09:04] <graabein> where do i look?
[09:04] <djm62> mjc: linux has gotten too easy...I've forgotten all the problem-solving stuff I used to have to use
[09:04] <delire> graabein: well 'glxinfo | grep Direct
[09:04] <ztonzy> delire, aah..mostly coding ? some 3D work ?
[09:04] <dcraven> brb
[09:04] <stazz> delire: you should try ubuntu. it's more like windows than debian ;P
[09:04] <tritium> graabein, that's bizarre.  I remember from yesterday that you installed the nvidia biniaries instead of ubuntu packages.  Were you unable to uninstall them?
[09:04] <delire> graabein: would tell you whether you had hardware accellerated graphics
[09:04] <def81> hi.. i got a bsasic question.. "The Ubuntu team releases a fresh Ubuntu every six months" ... so do i have to reinstall every 6 months, or is there some kind of "dist-upgrade"?
[09:04] <graabein> yep
[09:04] <eruin> gah! I wish error messages weren't translated! how on earth am I supposed to know what "Minnesegmentsfeil" means?
[09:04] <tritium> def81, you can always upgrade
[09:05] <djm62> def81: it's debian-based, you can upgrade anytime
[09:05] <graabein> had some pesky symlinks though
[09:05] <delire> stazz: i've been using debian for many many years. i am a big fan of Ubuntu, nothing more.
[09:05] <def81> ok thanks!
[09:05] <ogra> eruin, thats a segfault i uess
[09:05] <ogra> guess even
[09:05] <graabein> glxinfo grep direct didnt give me anything!
[09:05] <stazz> delire: yeah, I've been recommending ubuntu for beginners for so long that I had to try it myself, too.
[09:05] <djm62> ubuntu isn't just for beginners!
[09:05] <delire> ztonzy: today coding work, but only so that i can get models and events setup in the game engine
[09:05] <tritium> ogra, I can't go to UDU, but I do get to see U2 tonight :)
[09:06] <ztonzy> delire, nice...can I ask what it is for ?
[09:06] <ogra> tritium, ok, thats an alternative :)
[09:06] <eruin> ogra: ooh, that's not good ;-)
[09:06] <delire> graabein: you can run glxinfo? if so 'glxinfo | grep Direct'
[09:06] <tritium> :)
[09:06] <sp3tt> Good night to you all, be back tomorrow for install. I hope you can guide a complete newb and idiot :)
[09:06] <\sh> tritium: U2? bono ?
[09:06] <ogra> tritium, and a lot cheaper i guess
[09:06] <delire> ztonzy: for a MMORPG project here at the itu.dk
[09:06] <tritium> \sh, yep
[09:06] <graabein> delire, no result.
[09:06] <delire> sp3tt: see you then ;)
[09:06] <sp3tt> The community is one of the reasons ubuntu owns, isn't it.
[09:06] <delire> graabein: what about 'glxinfo'
[09:06] <ztonzy> delire, great!
[09:06] <tritium> sp3tt, :)
[09:06] <sp3tt> I mean, from what I've heard, #debian kills newbs.
[09:07] <graabein> delire, gives me plenty
[09:07] <graabein> hey, i found it, direct rendering: Yes
[09:07] <delire> sp3tt: sadly it does. ubuntu is sensible and community conscious..
[09:07] <graabein> case sensitive
[09:07] <delire> graabein: ok scroll up to the top and look for Direct Rendering
[09:07] <djm62> delire: the power of self-fulfilling prophecies, eh?
[09:07] <delire> graabein: ahah lower case? mine is upper case here ;)
[09:07] <graabein> hehe
[09:08] <b00gie> hello
[09:08] <graabein> 6650 fps with glxgears... is that good?
[09:08] <mjr> yes
[09:08] <djm62> damn good
[09:08] <dcraven> Okay guys you should be able to redirect people with low resolution problems here now --> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:08] <eruin> graabein: depends what size you run the window in
[09:08] <ogra> graabein, glxgears is no benchmark tool
[09:08] <eruin> and if it's hidden behind something or not ;)
[09:08] <graabein> ok
[09:08] <delire> djm62: precisely, though Debian shouldn't have a user support channel at all really. it's ridiculous at that job. i've spend hours in there helping kids only to see 'mwlison' or others raise the hammer and scare them away back to windows or OSX
[09:08] <dcraven> b00gie, hello.
[09:08] <graabein> i run it in default sized window
[09:08] <djm62> :-D
[09:09] <delire> graabein: that's amazing..
[09:09] <graabein> ogra, do you know of a benchmark tool?
[09:09] <delire> graabein: amazing fps for that card.
[09:09] <graabein> delire, it cant be... i've got a pretty regular gainward geforce 6600 gt
[09:09] <delire> graabein: umm quake3 ;) seriously though quake3 is used in benchmarking.
[09:09] <b00gie> ppl... any idea how to remove a package with the dependencies that it has installed?
[09:09] <eruin> quake3 isnt good for benchmarking anymore
[09:10] <sp3tt> Quake3 is used for having a lot of fun too.,
[09:10] <farruinn> I primarily use macs, but I'm installing ubuntu on a friend's pc, would there be any problmes with using a windows format partition for /home?
[09:10] <eruin> you'll see flat out max rates
[09:10] <ogra> graabein, xengine for exapmple
[09:10] <delire> graabein: it is good. a gt normally gives around 5900 ISTR
[09:10] <graabein> okay... i don't like quake that much... all the monsters/scifi
[09:10] <eruin> heh, my gffx5600 gives me ~2500
[09:10] <delire> tom's hardware use quake3 or doom3 for all round level performance tests. doom3 however will be the test for load on the GPU when using shaders
[09:10] <[paZx] > anyone have a problem with ryhthmbox after installed grip and lame?
[09:10] <\sh> dcraven: nice work :)
[09:10] <sp3tt> How many fps does an ATi X-600 usually give?
[09:11] <eruin> tom's hardware ain't worth the webspace it's on
[09:11] <eruin> :o
[09:11] <dcraven> \sh, thanks.
[09:11] <goldfish> oxigen: Any joy with root-tail?
[09:12] <delire> eruin: i agree generally speaking, though i've enjoyed a few of their editorials
[09:12] <dcraven> \sh, between that one and the ndiswrapper one I did yesterday, that should cover probably ~25% of the questions in here ;P
[09:12] <\sh> dcraven: yeah...I had I think 10 times the same answers to the questions on #ubuntu-de ;)
[09:12] <dcraven> \sh, heh
[09:13] <delire> dcraven: hehe, but did it help poor Fazer..
[09:13] <ogra> dcraven, nice work, but you dont need to edit xorg.conf for changing monitor values, just run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg as the second attempt, it asks for the frequencys then
[09:13] <Jet2k5_> dcraven, sorry, that's just a mask
[09:13] <dcraven> delire, I dunno. I think it would though. I don't think he's gonna get the stock module to work with his chipset, so he's gonna have to compile his own I'll bet.
[09:14] <delire> dcraven: hmm.. i thought so too
[09:14] <dcraven> ogra, blah... You and your fancy switches...
[09:14] <DocUb> Who has aMule and can DCC me a copy of their aMulesig.dat file?
[09:14] <SuperCatFrog> hi - i haven't got kdebindings installed, and they're not available through apt - any idea's anybody?
[09:14] <thanatosys> good afternoon everyone
[09:15] <delire> thanatosys: evening
[09:15] <sp3tt> That's [insert time of day] , you insensitive clod!
[09:15] <ogra> dcraven, and you should put a hint on that page that none of the autmatic configurattion tools works with xorg.conf unless you follow the md5sum howto in the head of the xorg.conf file...
[09:15] <delire> dcraven: i like 'plow' it's easy to remember
[09:15] <poningru> can somebody check something quick please
[09:15] <dcraven> SuperCatFrog, although there are KDE people in here, you may have better luck in #kubuntu.
[09:15] <poningru> is irc.mozilla.org still up?
[09:15] <poningru> please dont tell me that it is down
[09:16] <graabein> where do you guys download mp3? i just got "internet" (at home) this week!
[09:16] <DocUb> aMule
[09:16] <zenrox> gtk-gnutella
[09:16] <sp3tt> I use Direct Connect++
[09:16] <graabein> and is that p2p?
[09:16] <DocUb> yep
[09:16] <poningru> seriously can someone check irc.mozilla.org up and running?
[09:16] <DocUb> poningru: it's down at the moment
[09:16] <graabein> amule, gnutella and dc++ is about the same but different clients? or different nets?
[09:17] <poningru> damn
[09:17] <poningru> ok thnx
[09:17] <DocUb> :)
[09:17] <delire> xMule and aMule have slightly different flavours
[09:17] <dcraven> ogra, I'll do that. Thanks.
[09:17] <goldfish> poningru: it's up
[09:17] <cens0red> arg. I killed gmplayer, and the desktop quit!
[09:17] <sp3tt> What's the apt name for dc++?
[09:17] <DocUb> Yea, and aMule from synaptic didn't give me the aMulesig.dat when it unpacked it
[09:17] <ogra> dcraven, cool, thanks, its a nice howto :)
[09:17] <AlP> does anyone use acroread -- and does it work?
[09:17] <Jet2k5> dcraven, anyideas?  I've been lookin all over the place and everythin i've tried hasn't worked
[09:17] <DocUb> anyone have that file btw
[09:17] <goldfish> AlP: yes and yes :)
[09:17] <AlP> I installed it and it does not work ... :(
[09:18] <goldfish> oh :/
[09:18] <AlP> goldfish, okay, how did you install it
[09:18] <delire> cens0red: jesus. see if you can replicate it? if so it may be worth catching the output into a textfile so i can look at it.
[09:18] <goldfish> AlP: apt-get
[09:18] <dcraven> Jet2k5, did the upgrade change your config files? Are you sure you were running apache2 before and not apache?
[09:18] <graabein> how about downloading mp3 with torrents?
[09:18] <InitMass> ogra, it still doesn't work with OOo
[09:18] <AngelGabriel> what apt-get sources can I use for the powerPC?
[09:19] <goldfish> graabein: yep, you can.
[09:19] <graabein> another thing, anyone heard of sharingthegroove? did it go down?
[09:19] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: the ubuntu ones
[09:19] <goldfish> graabein: I don't know anywhere to get single songs, but full albums come in torrents usually.
[09:19] <delire> graabein: i use http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ for torrents, though others prefer the simpler qtorrent
[09:19] <ups> are there any shortcut keys for logout and lock screen in gnome?
[09:19] <ups> keyboard shortcuts i mean
[09:19] <graabein> goebelmeier, im a album-guy!
[09:19] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: mixing repos is not always a good thing
[09:19] <graabein> all the way (i meant goldfish)
[09:19] <\sh> hmm...btdownloadcurses and btlaunchmany are enough ;)
[09:19] <goldfish> ups: I think you can set shortcut keys.
[09:19] <mjr> ups, not by default, but you can set them
[09:19] <AngelGabriel> farruinn, Does that mean that I'm stuck with just what's avalible there?
[09:20] <goldfish> graabein: :)
[09:20] <Jet2k5> ctrl + alt + backspace logs you ouit
[09:20] <mjr> Jet2k5, well, yes, but rather forcibly
[09:20] <Jet2k5> to lock screen just do System > lock screen
[09:20] <AngelGabriel> Because I want to install Xine, XCDRoast, NmapFE and a few other things
[09:20] <delire> \sh they're ok, though not when i'm managing six or seven at a time.
[09:20] <ups> thx, i know i can set them, just wanted to be sure if there are by default :)
[09:20] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: then you should enable universe and multiverse (both official ubuntu repos)
[09:20] <graabein> now that ive got 3d graphics working, im going to look for movies and music
[09:21] <Jet2k5> umm, so nobody knows anything about this apache issue?
[09:21] <AlP> goldfish,  sudo apt-get install acroread should do it ...
[09:21] <tritium> AngelGabriel, you might prefer either gnomebaker or graveman to xcdroast
[09:21] <goldfish> AlP: should do
[09:21] <ogra> InitMass, then file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com please
[09:21] <elektrolyytti> hmm.. when i dont have my bluetooth connected and i try bluetooth manager i got error but when i have it connected and i start searching and it search until 50% and then just keep searching but wont work... what can i do?
[09:21] <AngelGabriel> By the way, will the binaries that are for ubuntu on the x86 achitecture, run on the power PC?
[09:21] <InitMass> ogra, oh i have to register to do that?
[09:21] <delire> graabein: play around with graphics intensive desktops with gnome too if you're insane: http://www.lynucs.org/?gdesklets
[09:22] <ogra> InitMass, yep
[09:22] <AlP> goldfish, /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: File or Directory not found.
[09:22] <AngelGabriel> tritium, gnomebaker..... and grave man - They are on my list as well!
[09:22] <tritium> AngelGabriel, :)
[09:22] <InitMass> ogra, i might do it some other time
[09:22] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: you can easily enable them with synaptic, and (technically) no, the binaries for x86 don't work on ppc
[09:22] <InitMass> ogra, not now anyway
[09:22] <goldfish> AlP: emmmmm, did that come from you apt-get command?
[09:22] <ogra> InitMass, thats the only way it will  get solved ;)
[09:22] <Jet2k5> anybody else get this ? E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[09:22] <AlP> no .. from calling acroread
[09:22] <ogra> InitMass, do as you like :)
[09:23] <AngelGabriel> farruinn, So... then how can I use the same repositories??
[09:23] <[Stefano] > yes
[09:23] <graabein> delire, wow, talk about eye candy! i have to go get my glasses!
[09:23] <goldfish> AlP: i see, did you apt-get it or what?
[09:23] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: universe and multiverse are additional ubuntu repositories
[09:23] <[Stefano] > yuppie yeah!
[09:23] <tritium> Jet2k5, do you not have ftp.nerim.net repo in yoru sources.list?
[09:24] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: a quick search on www.ubuntulinux.org should yield quite a few results
[09:24] <[Stefano] > When insert the Urbntu cd in Windows XD did not Autorun?
[09:24] <[Stefano] > How i can install it?
[09:24] <delire> graabein: gdesklets require a bit of system resources but their very gnome freindly.
[09:24] <farruinn> [Stefano] : you need to reboot and hit F12 so you can select the cd as the boot disk
[09:25] <farruinn> (at least it's most likely F12 I think)
[09:25] <spawn> hello, what version of GNOME does Ubuntu 5.04 come with?
[09:25] <graabein> i used linux some 4-5 years ago for a bit and didnt like kde (suse)
[09:25] <graabein> gnome looks fine though, i like it
[09:25] <delire> and fair enough
[09:25] <AngelGabriel> farruinn, how do I know if it's for the PowerPC, or for x86?? I have an eerie feeling about this one
[09:25] <[Stefano] > 2.10 spawn
[09:25] <zenrox> [Stefano] ,  reboot your pc with the cd in  the cdrom and the bios needs to be set up to boot off the cd
[09:25] <] Brelic[> does anyone here use a Lexmark Z605?
[09:25] <spawn> [Stefano] : thank you
[09:25] <] Brelic[> i can't seem to install in in ubuntu
[09:25] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: that's the beauty of apt, it will download only the packages specific to your architecture =)
[09:25] <spawn> im thinking of switching from Slackware
[09:25] <Jet2k5> tritium, someone said those are bad
[09:25] <delire> AngelGabriel: you're package manager knows which architecture it's grabbing..
[09:25] <Jet2k5> they break your system
[09:25] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: and the universe and multiverse repos are for all the standard ubuntu architectures
[09:25] <ogra> spawn, the newest ubuntu alwys has the newest gnome ;)
[09:26] <spawn> :D
[09:26] <] Brelic[> i did find a page helping me, but once i convert the rpms to debs and install them, the drivers don't show up when trying to add a printer
[09:26] <] Brelic[> any ideas?
[09:26] <spawn> yeah, one reason why im switching soon
[09:26] <dcahrakos> I tried botting into the ubuntu cd, and when it gets to the place where it says press ENTER to boot up, then it does a couple things, and then just restarts the pc...anyone know why?
[09:26] <tritium> Jet2k5, that's where w32codecs are located
[09:26] <spawn> update is every 6 months?
[09:26] <dcahrakos> ps, thats when im trying to install
[09:26] <ogra> spawn, yep
[09:26] <Jet2k5> k
[09:26] <spawn> nice
[09:26] <delire> ] Brelic[: printing can be a pain. what's the printer?
[09:26] <ogra> spawn, a week after gnome regulary
[09:26] <farruinn> spawn: stable update yes, ubuntu is continually in development of course
[09:27] <Jet2k5> well I'm going to work, hopefully we can get his apache stuff when I come back
[09:27] <Jet2k5> later all
[09:27] <spawn> cool
[09:27] <] Brelic[> delire, Lexmark Z605] 
[09:27] <delire> ] Brelic[: and this is on Ubuntu Hoary?
[09:27] <] Brelic[> delire, which i knwo is not in the list.. in suse, i install the rpms from Lexmark and then they show up in the printer list
[09:27] <] Brelic[> delire, yes Hoary
[09:28] <] Brelic[> delire, here are the instructions i followed for Hoary http://finebushpeople.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=120
[09:28] <delire> hmm i'd say you don't have the right print services. take a look at 'printconf'
[09:28] <delire> ] Brelic[ this can make things a little easier
[09:28] <spawn> how do I upgrade to latest versions?
[09:28] <AlP> goldfish, https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AcrobatHowTo/ did solve my problems
[09:29] <KING^^^> hello all , i have a question , can I write on a NTFS partition ?
[09:29] <goldfish> AlP: hehe, cool :)
[09:29] <EvilIdler> KING^^^: Without going mad, no
[09:29] <AngelGabriel> farruinn, delire thanks for putting my mind at rest!!! i didn't even know that it did that!
[09:29] <] Brelic[> delire, when i get to the last step. after installing the newly converted debs, i try to install the printer but the drivers don't show up anywhere, and i did a search on the computer but can't seem to find anything
[09:29] <ryman|> hey guys I created a free space on my HD to install Ubuntu , can someone help me with setup the / and /home in ubuntu installation ?
[09:29] <KING^^^> EvilIdler: not at all ?
[09:29] <Fazer> dcraven: I am now beginning the installation
[09:29] <farruinn> AngelGabriel: apt/dpkg is a beautiful thing =)
[09:30] <Fazer> so
[09:30] <Fazer> my first time installing linux
[09:30] <Fazer> on my laptop with Ubuntu!
[09:30] <Fazer> i hope it gets the DHCP right this time.
[09:30] <neighborlee> why does ubuntu check for RAID at startup and how is that disabled ? ( /etc/rc.d) ??? .[ no I dont have any RAID drives] 
[09:30] <delire> ] Brelic[ install printconf and run that..
[09:31] <] Brelic[> delire, ok, i'll try that
[09:31] <ztonzy> AngelGabriel, great :) ...I am thinking of upgrading my 10/1 to 24/1 :)
[09:31] <dcraven> ogra, I revised it by adding the md5sum command prior to the dpg-reconfigure command in each case just for safety's sake. It'll be too confusing for some folks if I explained the reason for it. I also prepended your solution to the refresh rates solution.
[09:31] <Fazer> this is awesome!
[09:31] <ztonzy> and too bad they dont have VDSL
[09:31] <Fazer> it detected my network card!
[09:31] <Fazer> hhahahaha
[09:31] <Fazer> awesome
[09:31] <ztonzy> anymore...
[09:31] <Fazer> i just hope...i can get my wifi aftwards
[09:31] <dcraven> Fazer, soon you will be cool too!
[09:31] <delire> Fazer: ;)
[09:32] <solarwinds> some one know how to disable service (something like chkconfig in redhat)
[09:32] <ogra> dcraven, wow, cool
[09:32] <Fazer> w00t
[09:32] <dcraven> ogra, thanks for the tips.
[09:32] <spawn> how do I upgrade to latest versions of Ubuntu?
[09:32] <Fazer> so, can I install over my NTFS partition?
[09:32] <Fazer> this is confusing.
[09:32] <Fazer> spawn: i think its apt-get dist upgrade , not sure though
[09:32] <delire> spawn there's a full howto on the Ubuntu wiki
[09:33] <spawn> thanks guys
[09:33] <GnuKemist> Fazer hey... am still trying to get my wireless (ipw2200) to work
[09:33] <spawn> :D
[09:33] <delire> Fazer: yep you sure can
[09:33] <Fazer> delire: oh oiay
[09:33] <solarwinds> some one know how to disable service (something like chkconfig in redhat) ???
[09:33] <delire> Fazer: but you'll lose all that's on it
[09:33] <goldfish> GnuKemist: On a dell ?
[09:33] <GnuKemist> goldfish IBM X40...
[09:33] <spawn> oh one more thing, how long does it usually take to upgrade?
[09:33] <Fazer> delire: Yeah =(
[09:33] <farruinn> Fazer: if you are replacing the ntfs partition (and have your data backed up), just delete that partition and then select the empty space and do the automatically parition thing, that's what I'd do
[09:34] <delire> solarwinds: do you mean startup services?
[09:34] <GnuKemist> goldfish any clue?
[09:34] <goldfish> spawn: what connection u on?
[09:34] <goldfish> GnuKemist: hmm.. nope, are u using ndiswrapper?
[09:34] <delire> Fazer: burn with fire my son, scorch that Windows Infested Soil
[09:34] <spawn> aDSL
[09:34] <solarwinds> yes
[09:34] <Fazer> delire: haha
[09:34] <spawn> goldfish: aDSL 3.5 MB/s
[09:34] <GnuKemist> goldfish nope... supposed to be compatible
[09:34] <Fazer> farruinn: Yeah, thanks =)
[09:34] <goldfish> spawn: hmmmm, i am on 2mb and it took a couple of ours
[09:34] <] Brelic[> delire, ok, i ran printconf as root.. it just restarted cupsd
[09:34] <goldfish> *hours
[09:35] <graabein> later guys. im sort of the host of a party here. hehe, cheers!
[09:35] <Fazer> Should I select an entire device to partition?
[09:35] <delire> solarwinds: all the services on your machine started at boot can be found in /etc/init.d/
[09:35] <spawn> goldfish: ok, thanks
[09:35] <goldfish> GnuKemist: oh right.... hmm... have u tried searching ubuntuforums.org ?
[09:35] <delire> graabein: hasta luego
[09:35] <solarwinds> I know something like update-rc.d, it is good ??
[09:35] <delire> solarwinds: yep, that's a good one to know
[09:35] <GnuKemist> does anybody know what version of ipw2200 driver Hoary has?  I'm not at my laptop now
[09:36] <delire> GnuKemist: nope, compiled my own..
[09:36] <solarwinds> delire, but I did not get it work.
[09:36] <GnuKemist> goldfish yup... but it seems to me most people had to download the drivers...
[09:36] <GnuKemist> delire so you did compile it "by hand"
[09:36] <Fazer> wait wait wait
[09:36] <GnuKemist> I wonder if it is "safe" to have a hybrid system like that
[09:37] <goldfish> GnuKemist: oh right, i assume you have?
[09:37] <GnuKemist> goldfish the driver is included in Hoary
[09:37] <goldfish> ah right
[09:37] <Fazer> delire: How come i have partition #1 that is my primary with 5.7 GB as ext and then i have partition #5 as swap
[09:37] <goldfish> hmmm
[09:37] <GnuKemist> goldfish so I didn't
[09:37] <Fazer> why does it just jump from 1 to 5?
[09:37] <K-Rich> hey all i'm having an issue here, i can only burn cds as root, using Warty
[09:37] <solarwinds> Hi all, I compile new kernel 2.6.11 fot VMware, but now I lost my wireless card drivers and I cant get it back, please help.
[09:37] <] Brelic[> delire, well, it works now.  i think what happened is that by restarting cups, it reread the drivers list or something
[09:38] <] Brelic[> delire, thanks
[09:38] <delire> Fazer: i don't know why this is.. you'll see that they'll probably move to correct places later..
[09:38] <Fazer> delire: Oh...hrmm.
[09:38] <ogra> GnuKemist, nope, its not safe....the selfcompiled stuff gets overwritten...
[09:38] <delire> ] Brelic[: yep, no problem printconf is a good little script that starts everything in the right order ;)
[09:39] <GnuKemist> Fazer don't now why it jumps but I have the same set up here
[09:39] <GnuKemist> ogra that's what I thought...  I got the source code but didn't compile yet
[09:39] <delire> Fazer: i have #1/, #5swap as you do and i've never had windows on this laptop
[09:39] <ogra> GnuKemist, you'll have to compile it again on every security update
[09:39] <Quest-Master> de
[09:39] <GnuKemist> delire Fazer  same here
[09:40] <delire> it is odd.
[09:40] <ogra> GnuKemist, did you have problems with the driver ?
[09:40] <GnuKemist> ogra gotcha... definitely don't feel like doing that ;)
[09:40] <GnuKemist> ogra it seems to be ok except I cannot get an IP
[09:40] <ogra> hmm
[09:40] <delire> GnuKemist: which network card?
[09:41] <GnuKemist> ogra and I tried both WEP and WEP-less APs
[09:41] <GnuKemist> delire ipw2200
[09:41] <K-Rich> any ideas on why i can only burn cds as root?
[09:41] <Fazer> delire: Ah okay thanks.  I am booting back to XP on the laptop just to backup any more left over shit to my ftp.
[09:41] <Fazer> =/
[09:41] <delire> GnuKemist: i compiled my own, one only needs to recompile it when switching kernels
[09:41] <ogra> GnuKemist, tried the ubuntu-users mailing list ?
[09:41] <SeamusLP> K-Rich is your user in the cdrom group?
[09:41] <Bazzi> K-Rich only root has super cow powers.
[09:41] <delire> Fazer: hehe he's getting the shakes ..
[09:41] <GnuKemist> ogra will try that next
[09:41] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: yes
[09:42] <Fazer> yeah =/
[09:42] <SeamusLP> K-Rich what are you using to burn?
[09:42] <Fazer> too bad I won't be able to play my favourite game on the thinkpad =/
[09:42] <delire> GnuKemist: it's easy to compile by the way.. i can walk you through it. also the newest driver is very stable.
[09:42] <K-Rich> cdrecord through xcdroast
[09:42] <ogra> GnuKemist, i'm pretty sure there were others having this problem
[09:42] <GnuKemist> delire am not planning of switching kernels unless it is done automatically during dist-upgrade
[09:42] <K-Rich> (since xcdroast is just a frontend)
[09:42] <delire> GnuKemist: well that will be every six months...
[09:43] <delire> GnuKemist: can you 'iwlist <nic> scanning'?
[09:43] <GnuKemist> delire I think I can do it but would really like if you stick around...  problem is I won't be able to do it until I get home
[09:43] <delire> GnuKemist: what does iwconfig say?
[09:43] <GnuKemist> delire iwlist works and tells me available APs
[09:44] <SeamusLP> k-rich have you checked the permissions on your cdrom devices in /dev?
[09:44] <solarwinds> Hi all, I compile new kernel 2.6.11 fot VMware, but now I lost my wireless card drivers and I cant get it back, please help.
[09:44] <GnuKemist> delire iwconfig gives me all the info for card itself and AP (MAC, key, ESSID, etc)
[09:44] <delire> GnuKemist: you cannot connect to any?
[09:44] <delire> GnuKemist: cool. try 'iwconfig <nic> essid <ap>'
[09:45] <delire> GnuKemist: where <nic> is you card and <ap> is an access point you choose.
[09:45] <GnuKemist> delire done that... it works... but it doesn't go any further afterwards
[09:45] <GnuKemist> delire  iwconfig eth1 essid [blah] 
[09:45] <delire> GnuKemist: do you see any output with wavemon or similar?
[09:46] <GnuKemist> delire am not familiar with wavemon
[09:46] <Fazer> btw
[09:46] <Fazer> whats a good binary newsgroup reader for linux?
[09:46] <ryman|> can someone please help me with partitioning the swap, / and /home ? I'm installing Ubuntu
[09:46] <ryman|> I have 37G freespace
[09:46] <delire> GnuKemist: make sure the AP's you're connecting to don't have a line like this: Encryption key:on
[09:46] <djm62> Fazer: pan, if it's still around
[09:46] <Fazer> djm62m: oh =/
[09:46] <delire> Fazer: binary?
[09:46] <solarwinds> ryman|, how can  I help you ??
[09:46] <SeamusLP> ryman|  it should do that automatically for you in your free space.  Swap will automatically be your ram size x 2.5 it think
[09:47] <Fazer> delire: YEah...so you can download binary files from newsgroups like images?
[09:47] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: /dev/hdc is root.cdrom rw-rw----  /dev/cdrom is root.root rwxrwxrwx
[09:47] <mcphail> GnuKemist: what entries do you have in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:47] <delire> Fazer: ahah, no idea. see freshmeat.net or 'apt-cache search binary newsgroup reader'
[09:47] <ogra> Fazer, i think pan does taht
[09:47] <GnuKemist> delire don't have the key on...  at work and home they're on but I did try another AP that the key was off and that time I did get an IP but it wouldn't take me anywhere... like the DNS was bogus
[09:48] <delire> GnuKemist: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces for the card?
[09:48] <nickrud> Fazer: Yes, pan does images quite nicely, sometimes it'll even merge split video
[09:48] <solarwinds> delire, Where I can find drivers for dlink wireless??
[09:48] <GnuKemist> mcphail can't tell now for I'm not at home...
[09:48] <Fazer> delire, orga thanks
[09:48] <Fazer> wait wait
[09:48] <Fazer> I was thining of using Skype with my laptop on linux
[09:48] <delire> GnuKemist: frankly the only time i've heard of this problem is when an old drivers are not removed with an install of new drivers..
[09:48] <Fazer> my thinkpad has a built in microphoen
[09:48] <Fazer> will it work fine with linux?
[09:49] <SeamusLP> K-Rich -- It looks like your /dev/cdrom which is a symlink to /dev/hdc is in the root group whereas /dev/hdc is cdrom
[09:49] <GnuKemist> delire mcphail where were you going with the question?  so I can follow up when I get home
[09:49] <SeamusLP> K-Rich if your programs are trying to access /dev/cdrom they'll need root
[09:49] <GnuKemist> delire brand new laptop and Linux installation
[09:49] <delire> solarwinds: no idea sadly.. i don't use that card. see http://google.com/linux and search for 'ubuntu +dlink +wireless
[09:49] <djm62> Fazer I think so...
[09:49] <Fazer> djm62: Hrm...
[09:49] <solarwinds> delire, thanks
[09:49] <Fazer> djm62: so, if I can get sound working, that means I can also record from my microphone to linux?
[09:50] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: trying to access it as /dev/hdc though :/ i'm reading now where it may be an issue with the 2.6.8 and cdrecord
[09:50] <GnuKemist> Fazer which ThinkPad?
[09:50] <djm62> Fazer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[09:50] <SeamusLP> K-Rich Hummm what kernel are you using?
[09:50] <delire> GnuKemist: ok, then i would look into compiling fresh ones. Intel has improved the drivers alot recently
[09:50] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: 2.6.8.1-5-686
[09:50] <Fazer> GnuKemist: thinkpad 600e.
[09:50] <djm62> Fazer: have a look at that page
[09:50] <SeamusLP> K-Rich I've got the latest 686  from the repos and my cdrecord burner (gnomebaker) is working fine
[09:51] <GnuKemist> delire will using module-assistant allow me to do all that w/o actually re-compiling the kernel?
[09:51] <GnuKemist> delire that plus the kernel-headers
[09:51] <mcphail> GnuKemist: try this as the first lines: auto wlan0 <newline> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[09:51] <SeamusLP> K-Rich:  Warty Warthog?
[09:51] <delire> GnuKemist: then 'ifdown; ifup wlan0'
[09:52] <delire> ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0
[09:52] <delire> .. he meant to say..
[09:52] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: this is driving me nuts lol i've tried suid root on cdrecord and cdrdao
[09:52] <GnuKemist> mcphail ok...  will try that tonight...  hope it works
[09:52] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: yeah, did a custom install then added x-window-system-core and xfce4
[09:52] <GnuKemist> delire no prob... I even ifdown eth0 just for the hell of it  ;)
[09:53] <SeamusLP> K-Rich Have you tried a non cdrecord burner?
[09:53] <SeamusLP> K-Rich I think graveman may use something else
[09:53] <K-Rich> nope
[09:53] <ogra> SeamusLP, nope
[09:53] <Fazer> djm62: Sorry, can you give me that link again? my IRC client crashed =(
[09:54] <delire> mcphail: i have seen the ipw2200 not associate due to the old drivers being present in the /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/drivers/net/wireless. new ipw2200 versions install the drivers elsewhere..
[09:54] <Guga> blender won't run, now on Hoary
[09:54] <Guga> did what you asked, ogra
[09:54] <Guga> no luck
[09:54] <delire> Guga: you probably don't have graphics accelleration anymore. run 'glxinfo | grep direct' and tell me what you see
[09:54] <ogra> Guga, doe glxgears run now ?
[09:54] <djm62> Fazer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[09:54] <mcphail> delire: I don't have that card, but I'm just feeling smug as I finally got ndiswrapper to work last night!
[09:54] <Fazer> djm62: thanks.
[09:55] <GnuKemist> delire would you be able to tell me what version you get from apt-cache search ipw2200?
[09:55] <Fazer> djm62: YEah, i remember reading that.
[09:55] <delire> mcphail: hehe nice one. ndiswrapper is a pain in the arse i hear..
[09:55] <SeamusLP> K-Rich Perhaps it is related to the kernel then
[09:55] <delire> GnuKemist: i installed it myself.
[09:55] <delire> GnuKemist: didn't use a package
[09:55] <Guga> no, ogra
[09:55] <SeamusLP> K-Rich If you want the latest one you can compile it yourself or just dist-upgrade to hoary hedgehog
[09:55] <mcphail> delire: It wasn't ndiswrapper's fault. I just had to use different drivers to the ones I'm running on XP
[09:55] <delire> Guga: run 'glxinfo | grep direct' and tell me what you see
[09:55] <ogra> Guga, do: sudo gedit /etc/modules
[09:56] <GnuKemist> delire ok... I already have them from ipw2200.sourceforge.net...  will be back later tonight
[09:56] <ogra> Guga, add the word nvidia as the last line
[09:56] <delire> mcphail: tell that to Fazer ;)
[09:56] <ogra> Guga, save the file
[09:56] <K-Rich> SeamusLP: screw it, just install gksu and i'll use gksudo lol
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <Guga> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <delire> GnuKemist: may see you later, though it's 10pm here
[09:56] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:56] <ogra> Guga, (only add it if its not there yet)
[09:56] <GnuKemist> delire where are you btw?
[09:57] <delire> GnuKemist: denmark currently
[09:57] <mcphail> delire: what probs is Fazer having?
[09:57] <delire> mcphail: ndiswrapper woes
[09:57] <SeamusLP> K-Rich:  I'd recommend posting to or searching the forums.  Someone else must have had that problem if it's related to a kernel in warty.
[09:57] <ogra> Guga, after that run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select nvidia as the driver
[09:57] <djm62> Fazer: although all the issues there are probably fixed by now...all of the google pages about 600E vs linux are a few years old
[09:57] <delire> mcphail: but as you suggest.. perhaps it's the drivers themselves
[09:57] <GnuKemist> delire went to Copenhagen Sept 2003...  What a great country!
[09:57] <Shadow98> where is the best place to get themes for gnome that is not down right now?
[09:57] <mcphail> delire: it took me 18 months to work it out!
[09:57] <ipcopnewbie> i'm having a problem getting winXP to talk to samba on warty when using DHCP... anybody got any tips? works fine if i switch back to static ip's :-(
[09:57] <GnuKemist> delire even took some Danish classes
[09:57] <delire> GnuKemist: i like it too..
[09:58] <Fazer> djm62: Hmm yeah, thats what i was thinking.
[09:58] <delire> GnuKemist: nice
[09:58] <GnuKemist> delire I worked for Lundbeck
[09:58] <delire> mcphail: eek
[09:58] <ogra> Guga, check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if nvidia is in there....if it is, reboot
[09:58] <Fazer> So now, its installing the Ubuntu base system/
[09:58] <GnuKemist> delire have you heard of it?
[09:58] <delire> GnuKemist: ahah.. big company
[09:58] <delire> GnuKemist: i think so yes
[09:58] <Fazer> what's Lundbeck?
[09:58] <GnuKemist> delire yup...
[09:58] <delire> a big company
[09:58] <Fazer> IT related or what?
[09:58] <GnuKemist> Fazer pharma  company in Denmark
[09:58] <djm62> Shadow98: themes.freshmeat.net, and art.gnome.org
[09:58] <Fazer> I heard Fazer is a finn/swedish company that makes awesome chocolate!
[09:59] <Fazer> w00t.
[09:59] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[09:59] <goldfish> emmmm, can u use gdesklets while running xfce?
[09:59] <delire> GnuKemist: have you searched for 'chemistry' in http://freshmeat.net ? ;) might find it interesting
[09:59] <GnuKemist> delire yup...  have you heard of the Knoppix-based Bio live CDs?
[09:59] <Fazer> silly MS router...still doesn't show the hostname on the router.
[10:00] <delire> GnuKemist: yes saw that recently actually. hilarious. looks cool though
[10:00] <GnuKemist> delire but I worked as a programmer for them... I do have a science degree as well
[10:00] <_phate_> How do I restart the esd sound daemon?
[10:00] <delire> GnuKemist: cool..
[10:00] <GnuKemist> delire yeah...  and now I work for the city of NY
[10:00] <delire> GnuKemist: hmm, NY is not a bad place. wouldn't like to live there though
[10:00] <ipcopnewbie> i'm having a problem getting winXP to talk to samba on warty when using DHCP... anybody got any tips? works fine if i switch back to static ip's :-(
[10:01] <GnuKemist> delire it is ok... crowded but ok
[10:01] <GnuKemist> delire but Denmark is a great place too...  everyone is so nice
[10:01] <Fazer> I have cousins in Denmark
[10:01] <delire> GnuKemist: for sure. i see no reason to leave europe ;)
[10:01] <GnuKemist> delire I got to see the Museum of WWII
[10:02] <delire> nice
[10:02] <GnuKemist> delire I really wanted to transfer there but it didn't work out
[10:02] <GnuKemist> oh well
[10:03] <T5> hi can you tell me where i can find the .config used for packaging ubuntu 2.6.1x kernels?
[10:03] <ogra> T5, in /boot
[10:03] <sr> hi
[10:04] <sr> anyone able to use amarok with hoary ubuntu (no kubuntu)
[10:04] <sr> ?
[10:04] <Elsidox> when can we start testing breezy?
[10:04] <djm62> sr: can you set it to use gstreamer?
[10:05] <Bazzi-> Elsidox now.
[10:05] <ogra> Elsidox, i would say after the conference (end of this month)
[10:05] <Bazzi-> isnt the repos open already?
[10:05] <] Brelic[> what's the easiest way to su as another user and give it X display access?
[10:05] <ogra> Elsidox, currently its not even compiled completely...
[10:05] <djm62> Shadow98: no problem...
[10:05] <Bazzi-> oh.
[10:06] <djm62> ] Brelic[: install sshd
[10:06] <ogra> Bazzi, sure, you may even use it... but i wouldnt suggest to ;)
[10:06] <pvh> Where can I find documentation for the Multimedia Systems Selector?
[10:06] <Bazzi> (-:
[10:06] <djm62> ] Brelic[: then ssh -
[10:06] <Elsidox> ogra, thanks
[10:07] <] Brelic[> djm62, ok, thanks.
[10:07] <deresh> hi to all
[10:07] <deresh> does anybody know how to configure isdn on hoary
[10:07] <djm62> ] Brelic[: there are other ways, and sshd may seem like overkill, but it forwards X connections nicely and transparently
[10:07] <] Brelic[> anyone have MythTV installed under Hoary?  it tells me to complete a script as 'mythtv' user, but doesn't give me its password?
[10:07] <] Brelic[> djm62, you mean ssh -X ?
[10:08] <jordanau> djm62, do you have any experience with ssh?
[10:08] <Fazer> GHmmm
[10:08] <Fazer> So I guess the installation i snow 96% donw now.
[10:08] <djm62> jordanau: lots
[10:08] <Fazer> *done
[10:08] <delire> Fazer: not too bad..
[10:08] <Fazer> so...whats good about ext3?
[10:08] <djm62> mostly as client, ran the server when I had a permanent IP
[10:08] <delire> Fazer: it's a journaled fs
[10:09] <Fazer> delire: Oh, what does that mean?
[10:09] <jordanau> djm62, i want to set it up on my computer and my parents computer i want to be able trouble shoot any problem they have, is ssh the correct solution?
[10:09] <holycow> what is the name of the gtk replacement for k3b?
[10:09] <deresh> i have a clean hoary install (64 bit) , all went ok but i have no sound ( soound card is audigy) - it worked perfectly on 32 bit version
[10:09] <djm62> jordanau: almost certainly
[10:09] <_phate_> I've got all the restricted formats installed but totem won't play my mp3s anyhelp?
[10:09] <delire> Fazer: if your system goes down or turns off suddenly all the structure is maintained by the journal file
[10:09] <jordanau> djm62, they are on dialup, is it still a viable solution?
[10:09] <djm62> holycow: gnomebakery is what I have, but I haven't tested it yet
[10:10] <delire> Fazer: therefore no windows-like file system check (linux equiv fsck).
[10:10] <Fazer> delire: aah, i see.
[10:10] <holycow> djm62, oh thats it, thx
[10:10] <sr> djm62, I kind of did it
[10:10] <Fazer> delire: Is it as fast as NTFS on windows?
[10:10] <djm62> jordanau: yeah...X forwarding might be a bit ugly, but text will be fine
[10:10] <delire> Fazer: every 30 boots it will check the fs for integrity automatically unless you set it otherwise.
[10:10] <sr> I installed the amarok-gstreamer package
[10:10] <onno> I got Ubuntu but how do I install Kbuntu along?
[10:10] <jordanau> djm62, great i will find a how to and get to work
[10:10] <delire> Fazer: well i haven't used windows for longer than a couple of hours in about 5 years so i don't know.
[10:11] <holycow> djm62, doesn't appear to be in universe ... i presume it's new and gotta dl it from web?
[10:11] <deresh> onno: try apt-get kdebase
[10:11] <Fazer> delire: haha I see.
[10:11] <sr> I selected gstreamer in the engine menu of amarok, but it still doesnt work
[10:11] <delire> Fazer: ask someone else that question. it is fast though yes..
[10:11] <onno> thats all?
[10:11] <djm62> jordanau: use an ubuntu howto if possible...apt-get sshd (or whatever the package name is)
[10:11] <deresh> onno: or select with synaptic kdebase package
[10:11] <djm62> holycow: it's somewhere...multiverse?
[10:11] <delire> Fazer: the fastest of all will be the new 'reiserfs' version. however DMA is everything here.
[10:11] <deresh> onno: and you should get a kde in login screen session selection
[10:11] <onno> O I thought I would have to select many packedges to also have kbuntu
[10:11] <holycow> oh, gnomebaker
[10:11] <holycow> lol
[10:11] <jordanau> djm62, are the server and client in the same package?
[10:12] <onno> great
[10:12] <holycow> gnomebakery returns a whole other set of results :)
[10:12] <holycow> hehe
[10:12] <Fazer> delire: Hmm, I see.
[10:12] <djm62> jordanau: can't remember
[10:12] <holycow> danke
[10:12] <jordanau> holycow, gnomebaker has worked well for me
[10:12] <djm62> sr: did you restart amarok after changing?
[10:12] <delire> Fazer: ubuntu used DMA by default i believe.
[10:12] <Fazer> =/
[10:12] <holycow> jordanau, k3b is wonderfull but i don't want to be running kde libs if i don't haveto
[10:12] <dcraven> Fazer, done yet?
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, or any linux ;)
[10:13] <Fazer> 70% done on copying remaining packages to hard disk
[10:13] <delire> largely due to the monolithic kernel
[10:13] <jordanau> holycow, in warty it would lock when converting mp3 > wav for burning
[10:13] <delire> ztonzy: well not this machine ;)
[10:13] <jordanau> ztonzy, are you an admin at elysiun?
[10:13] <Fazer> dcraven: Well, I think I am almost there.  What comes after Copying remaining packages to to hard disk?
[10:13] <holycow> jordanau, *nod*
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, how fast ?
[10:13] <deresh> i have a clean hoary install (64 bit) , all went ok but i have no sound ( oound card is audigy) -not thourgh esd nor oss nor alsa  it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:13] <ztonzy> jordanau, I answered YES before , so yes
[10:13] <delire> ztonzy: about 16 seconds
[10:13] <sr> djm62, yep, I did
[10:13] <ztonzy> jordanau, why ?
[10:13] <dcraven> Fazer, no idea. I forgot to memorize the install process. ;)
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, awsome
[10:13] <jordanau> just recognized the name
[10:13] <delire> ztonzy: though if i'm looking for an IP then it's slower.
[10:13] <jordanau> didn't know you used ubuntu
[10:13] <Fazer> dcraven: hehe ;)
[10:13] <DocUb> What's the best peer to peer programs?
[10:13] <ztonzy> delire, aha
[10:13] <djm62> sr: and are all the appropriate volumes turned up?
[10:14] <jordanau> of course i never asked
[10:14] <DocUb> aMule really blows
[10:14] <ztonzy> jordanau, aha...just not all knows
[10:14] <jordanau> DocUb, amule and azureus in my opinion
[10:14] <djm62> DocUb: limewire, if you don't mind java
[10:14] <delire> DocUb: or try xMule
[10:14] <dcraven> DocUb, I like giftd/giFToxic when I'm in the mood for leeching.
[10:14] <ztonzy> former Fedore before Blender conference...shortly debian...then Ubuntu
[10:14] <jpe> on a amd 64bit bit install, the 32 bit gtk libraries don't seem to work because they try to load 64 bit modules
[10:14] <sr> djm62, yes, plus, the mp3 are changing very oftenly
[10:14] <_phate_> I've got all the restricted formats installed but totem won't play my mp3s, I need some help please.
[10:14] <holycow> man we get some whack names in open source, i can imagine installing this for gramma and her thinking gnomebaker is software for making baking recipies
[10:14] <holycow> hehe
[10:14] <DocUb> good deal guys :-D
[10:14] <DocUb> brb lemme try those out
[10:14] <dcraven> DocUb, there. 500+ people, 500+ different opinions.
[10:14] <djm62> sr: do you have the gstreamer-mp3 packages?
[10:15] <delire> _phate_: did you install the mp3 decoder plugins?
[10:15] <ztonzy> jordanau, nice...well..quite known nick I guess :P
[10:15] <DocUb> lol
[10:15] <DocUb> dcraven: very true
[10:15] <djm62> holycow: or a program for baking gnomes!
[10:15] <ztonzy> jordanau, you registered ?
[10:15] <delire> _phate_: as djm62 more eloquently puts it ;)
[10:15] <DocUb> but half of those are just thrown in there for fun
[10:15] <DocUb> :-p
[10:15] <jordanau> ztonzy, yeah i usually find myself in OT
[10:15] <sr> there's no such package
[10:15] <shad0w1e> where are my kernel headers stored?
[10:15] <_phate_> delire: yes I doo
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <ztonzy> jordanau, aha...I dont :)
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <dvali14> aq qartveli aris vinme?
[10:15] <jordanau> aha
[10:15] <Fazer> dvali14...
[10:15] <DocUb> ?
[10:15] <dcraven> ...
[10:15] <djm62> sr: they may be in a different repo...I forget
[10:15] <deresh> i have a clean hoary install (64 bit) , all went ok but i have no sound ( oound card is audigy) -not thourgh esd nor oss nor alsa  it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:16] <delire> _phate_: talk to djm62 .. i'm not running ubuntu right now.
[10:16] <ztonzy> jordanau, well sometimes it can be fun to read, but I am not much into endless debates
[10:16] <sr> damn
[10:16] <DocUb> lol, giFToxic opens and closes within like 2 seconds worth
[10:16] <DocUb> doesn't even stay open
[10:16] <dvali14> what Fazer?
[10:16] <dcraven> DocUb, is giftd running?
[10:16] <Fazer> dvali14: nevermind.
[10:16] <sr> let try to reboot, it shouldnt change anything but ...
[10:16] <DocUb> it's in my apps > internet
[10:17] <jordanau> ztonzy, i like to throw my opinion in there everyonce and a while :)
[10:17] <Fazer> dcraven: now its configuring apt.
[10:17] <djm62> sr: I'm almost sure it won't
[10:17] <DocUb> I clic, and it dies once I click t
[10:17] <djm62> d'oh
[10:17] <mitza> hey
[10:17] <ztonzy> jordanau, I did used Kubuntu shortly before release...but I got fileerrors 2 times, and when fixed it...I removed my /home ny accident, and I was thinking maybe Ubuntu release is more stable than Kubuntu
[10:17] <dcraven> deresh, run alsamixer in a terminal and make sure your channels arent't muted or set to zero volume. You can use the arrow keys to move around.
[10:17] <Fazer> uh ohs
[10:17] <Fazer> Installing GRUB boot loader.
[10:17] <mitza> how do i install a desktop theme in gnome?
[10:17] <DocUb> I have g++, gcc, java, gtk, and all those useful things compiled, but it's not working :(
[10:17] <ztonzy> jordanau, aah...I let theeth and some newer mods have their eyes there :)
[10:17] <DocUb> mitza: type GTK
[10:17] <dvali14> what?
[10:17] <jordanau> ztonzy, yeah ditto
[10:18] <Fazer> yay
[10:18] <Fazer> my cd got ejacted.
[10:18] <ztonzy> jordanau, yes
[10:18] <Fazer> *ejected
[10:18] <DocUb> in your Synaptic that is Mitza
[10:18] <djm62> mitza: menu System->Preferences->Theme
[10:18] <DocUb> or that
[10:18] <deresh> dcraven: donw that doesnt help
[10:18] <DocUb> lol
[10:18] <ztonzy> jordanau, I was just not long ago raised to admin...
[10:18] <jordanau> ztonzy, you know you want gnome anyway :p
[10:18] <deresh> dcraven: done that doesnt help
[10:18] <ztonzy> jordanau, hehe
[10:18] <jordanau> ztonzy, actually have you tried xfce?
[10:18] <ztonzy> jordanau, actually...gnome feels a lot more "clunky" to me than KDE
[10:18] <mitza> where can i find some good themes
[10:18] <mitza> ?
[10:19] <goldfish> mitza: gnome-look.org i think is one good site
[10:19] <ztonzy> jordanau, yes...some time ago,. but I dont like I need to make my own menus and try to find everything for myself
[10:19] <djm62> to whom it may concern: gstreamer0.8-lame is the mp3 codec
[10:19] <jordanau> mitza, gnome-look , themes.freshmeat.com
[10:19] <jordanau> mitza, or org
[10:19] <Fazer> soo...takes a little longer than XP to boot up.
[10:19] <djm62> mitza: art.gnome.org
[10:19] <deresh> dcraven: none chanel muted...when i toggle audio/digital switch i get some noise su i think driver is ok but no sound at all
[10:19] <delire> Fazer: yes it does sadly..
[10:19] <dcraven> DocUb, hmmm. That is weird. That combo is great for the Kazaa network if you get it working. Make sure giftd is installed. Maybe run it in a terminal and look for an error.
[10:19] <ztonzy> jordanau, I have set my gnome (or metacity) to low resources...drawn with the grid
[10:20] <Fazer> delire: =/
[10:20] <delire> ztonzy: you can run openbox (a great light window manager) in gnome. that will speed things up alot.
[10:20] <neighborlee> how do I get RAID stuff to not startup during boot..as I dont have any RAID devices ??? ;-))))
[10:20] <mitza> anyone knows this one?
[10:20] <ztonzy> delire, aah ?
[10:20] <dcraven> deresh, I don't know much about getting sound to work unfortunately. I just know that the unmuting thing sometimes helps :)
[10:20] <jordanau> mitza, did you see my response??
[10:20] <mitza> ./TakeItTux.themed/style
[10:20] <zemantic> i got a laptop here with no boot floppy and no cdrom, running mandrake, is there any chance I can get ubuntu on this?
[10:20] <mitza> yes
[10:21] <mitza> i did
[10:21] <delire> Fazer: hmm, a bit boring that part. when you compile your first kernel (if you do) you can take out all the uneeded drivers and other bits.
[10:21] <zemantic> some kind of local mount boot?
[10:21] <mitza> i cant install some tipes of themes
[10:21] <jordanau> did you have another question?
[10:21] <djm62> sr: gstreamer0.8-lame work for you?
[10:21] <mitza> types
[10:21] <jordanau> mitza, what type?
[10:21] <Fazer> delire: Oh.
[10:21] <deresh> dcraven: i thought so to but it isn't that...thanx for trying :)
[10:21] <zemantic> it's got network, just no bootable devices other than the hard drive
[10:21] <delire> ztonzy: i'll find the link. it's a great window manager. http://icculus.org/openbox/2/
[10:21] <Fazer> During the first install, does it usually take some time the first time you boot up linux?
[10:22] <mitza> takeittux-0.60.0.tar.g
[10:22] <mitza> z
[10:22] <djm62> zemantic: how is the hard disk partitioned?
[10:22] <deresh> i have a clean hoary install (64 bit) , all went ok but i have no sound ( sound card is audigy) -not through esd nor oss nor alsa  it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:22] <jordanau> mitza, have you installed themes before?
[10:22] <zemantic> djm62, all mandrake
[10:22] <mitza> nope
[10:22] <djm62> zemantic: any chance of booting from usb?
[10:22] <mitza> i`m a newbie
[10:22] <Fazer> bah, its unpacking and a lot of .debs
[10:22] <djm62> zemantic: how many partitions for mandrake?
[10:22] <jordanau> mitza, system > preference > theme
[10:22] <zemantic> djm62, i don't think so, I'm willing to trash mandrake
[10:23] <mitza> yes
[10:23] <mitza> then?
[10:23] <zemantic> djm62, i mean i don't think so (USB)
[10:23] <jordanau> mitza, install theme then point to the tar.gz
[10:23] <Fazer> how do you check how much free spac eyou have in linux?
[10:23] <dcraven> Fazer, df
[10:23] <jordanau> df
[10:23] <deresh> fazer: df -h
[10:23] <Fazer> dcraven: yeah -h
[10:23] <Fazer> i rememebr I now
[10:23] <Fazer> human readable =/
[10:23] <Fazer> i have a littl ebit of experience in teh command line
[10:23] <dcraven> I use pydf.
[10:23] <Fazer> tail, cat, grep useful tools.
[10:23] <Fazer> pydf? python?!
[10:23] <delire> ztonzy: you can do some very nice things with the text and rendering in openbox http://icculus.org/openbox/2/shots/full/mwil-sshot.png
[10:23] <Fazer> i love python!
[10:23] <dcraven> ...because I'm cool.
[10:24] <mitza> yes but says the file format is invalid
[10:24] <delire> Fazer: hehe so do i
[10:24] <jordanau> hmm where did you get it?
[10:24] <Fazer> delire: Awesome, I made an IRC bot in python =/
[10:24] <zemantic> djm62, do you or anyone know if there are ubuntu bootalbe floppies?
[10:24] <zemantic> I might be able to hack in a floppy drive
[10:24] <dcraven> then I get a graph of '#' symbols indicating how much space I have... and colour coded!
[10:24] <delire> Fazer: grand ;)
[10:24] <djm62> zemantic: if you have room/memory you can do 'swapoff' then make your swap partition bootable (maybe with GNU parted on it) then add that to grub/lilo, and use it to resize mdk to make room for ubuntu
[10:24] <Fazer> dcraven: haha, awesome!
[10:24] <chazwurth> dcraven: nice, I'd never seen that before
[10:25] <delire> Fazer: so did it all install?
[10:25] <chazwurth> dcraven: already installed -- it's nice :)
[10:25] <zemantic> djm62, hey good idea ;)
[10:25] <Fazer> delire: yeah, it seems to be unpacking .debs
[10:25] <mitza> so ?
[10:25] <delire> Fazer: good
[10:25] <mitza> heeelp
[10:25] <ztonzy> delire, aah ok...but about tools , menus etc ???
[10:25] <dcraven> chazwurth, yeah. I aliased it to df because I never remember I have it.
[10:25] <jordanau> mitza, WHERE DID YOU GET IT
[10:25] <jordanau> SSORRY FOR CAPS
[10:25] <ztonzy> lol
[10:25] <jordanau> worng button :)
[10:25] <chazwurth> heh
[10:25] <Fazer> Caps lock is the autopilot for COOL~1
[10:25] <dcraven> haha.. jordanau
[10:26] <dcraven> jordanau, maybe he /ignored you... lol
[10:26] <jordanau> thank you thank you
[10:26] <DocUb> azureus
[10:26] <DocUb> err
[10:26] <ztonzy> jordanau, what keyboard do you have ?  mine is Logitech Cordless Desktop EX-100, and I cant see if I have caps on, no LEDs for it here lol
[10:26] <dcraven> Other window DocUb.
[10:26] <DocUb> lol
[10:26] <DocUb> Ok I got xMule
[10:26] <delire> ztonzy: well it just picks up the debian menu. you can use gnome, however. so you have the gnome panel, gnome menu and gnome tools but just use a wm much faster and lighter than metacity/sawfish
[10:26] <DocUb> and...
[10:26] <jordanau> ztonzy, logitech and it has this stupid f-key lock that is always defaulted to not having fkeys
[10:27] <DocUb> It gives me this You have a lowid
[10:27] <DocUb> when connecting
[10:27] <ryman|>  do I really need separate /home and / ?
[10:27] <ztonzy> delire, ah yes...metacity feels slow
[10:27] <delire> DocUb: that is normal
[10:27] <dcraven> ryman|, no, but it's a good idea I think.
[10:27] <djm62> zemantic: I'm not even sure how you'd go from there...install a minimal debian sarge, then add ubuntu sources to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <Fazer> man...how long does it take to install on a 366 Mhz laptop and how much space does it all consume?
[10:27] <DocUb> ok
[10:27] <chazwurth> ryman|: need? no. can it come in super-handy? yes.
[10:27] <jordanau> mitza, if you are there i am sorry,,,
[10:27] <holycow> hey, gnomebaker looks pretty darned cool
[10:27] <deresh>  no sound ( sound card is audigy) -not through esd nor oss nor alsa - hoary amd64 version-   it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:27] <holycow> i like it a lot
[10:27] <jordanau> mitza, it was an accident
[10:27] <zemantic> djm62, no way to tell grub to boot from usb? or some network?
[10:27] <ztonzy> jordanau, oh lol...I had that a short while too...  Access Deluxe ? I got so tired of it I bout this new one heh
[10:27] <holycow> djm62, thanks, appreciate the tip
[10:28] <delire> ztonzy: apt-get install openbox and then to try 'killall <yourwindowmanager> && openbox' in a terminal
[10:28] <dcraven> ryman|, that way your data and application settings are preserved over many installs of Linux.
[10:28] <mitza> what?
[10:28] <ztonzy> jordanau, in Blender we use F-keys all the time...makes me feel mad after a while
[10:28] <delire> ztonzy: it will be dramatic for a second or two ;)
[10:28] <dcraven> jordanau, lol
[10:28] <zemantic> djm62, or some program that just reboots your computer up to a certain image? that would be nice :/  i'm not magic enough to pull that kind of stuff
[10:28] <ztonzy> delire, thanks mr expert ! :D
[10:28] <mitza> i dld`ed it from freshmeat.org adult/section
[10:28] <ryman|> chazwurth, can you help me with the partition ? I'm trying to install Ubuntu right now
[10:28] <mitza> http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/931/?hash=c9a609816fbd280b3cfbaee821a741c6&offset=0
[10:28] <delire> ztonzy: i try..
[10:28] <ztonzy> delire, what about open apps and windows ?
[10:28] <mitza> letz take one of this
[10:28] <djm62> zemantic: I'm not sure...grub is booted, so if the bios won't boot from usb, grub is unlikely to
[10:28] <mitza> the first
[10:28] <Fazer> omg, screw openoffice, abiword is enough for me=(
[10:28] <chazwurth> ryman|: what do you need to know?
[10:28] <DocUb> wow, these peer apps really don't like to connect to servers
[10:29] <delire> ztonzy: they /*should*/ accept the new wm and not die like lambs..
[10:29] <ryman|> I have 37G freespace, how many partition do I need to create now ?
[10:29] <dcraven> Fazer, it's part of the ubuntu-desktop package. I uninstall it.
[10:29] <ztonzy> delire, ah ok :)
[10:29] <ryman|> I'm dual bootng winxp and  Ubuntu
[10:29] <ztonzy> and if I decide to go back ?
[10:29] <djm62> zemantic:  otoh, if you can get grub shell you can boot to anything
[10:29] <delire> DocUb: you need to update the server list
[10:29] <chazwurth> ryman|: is that 37 total on the disk, or 37 after the XP install?
[10:29] <Blissex> ryman|: I got a link...
[10:29] <Fazer> dcraven: speaking of uninstalling, how does one uninstall stuff?
[10:29] <delire> ztonzy: logout and back in again..
[10:29] <ryman|> 37G after XP
[10:30] <dcraven> Fazer, use synaptic.
[10:30] <DocUb> Yea I did, that's the odd part
[10:30] <ztonzy> delire, does gnome have "sticky notes" ?
[10:30] <jordanau> mitza, is it called take it tux??
[10:30] <Fazer> dcraven: oh, nice.
[10:30] <Fazer> nice name to
[10:30] <delire> Fazer: i use dpkg -P but other like apt-get --remove
[10:30] <Fazer> synpatic!
[10:30] <mitza> it doesnt matter
[10:30] <ztonzy> delire, aah...the command to try...but it isnt default....until ???
[10:30] <mitza> lets take the first theme
[10:30] <djm62> ztonzy: it does, but they seem to be a bit buggy
[10:30] <Blissex> ryman|: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxNotes.html#partitioning
[10:30] <mitza> from that page
[10:30] <delire> ztonzy: hmm not sure. that's one nice treat about KDE
[10:30] <Fazer> wtf is python2.4-samba
[10:30] <Fazer> ah wlep.
[10:30] <mitza> the ladydragon
[10:30] <mitza> ok?
[10:30] <delire> Fazer: guess ;)
[10:30] <dcraven> Fazer, all good stuff.
[10:30] <deresh>  no sound ( sound card is audigy) -not through esd nor oss nor alsa - hoary amd64 version-   it worked perfectly on 32 bit version anyone???
[10:30] <djm62> ztonzy: they seem to be always on top...which is annoying
[10:30] <ztonzy> djm62, hmmm
[10:31] <Blissex> ryman|: of the 37GB probably you want 3 partitions now: root, swap and /home
[10:31] <ztonzy> djm62, cant be set not on top ?
[10:31] <jordanau> mitza, ladydragon??
[10:31] <Fazer> dcraven: hehe.
[10:31] <Blissex> ryman|: in 37GB, I would say 8-12GB for root, 1-2GB for swap, and the rest for /home
[10:31] <jordanau> mitza, i am going to try it
[10:31] <Gnome> yes I can on online banking now; with java blackdown I most just actived the nvidia-glx-settings:p
[10:31] <djm62> deresh: sounds like a problem with the 64-bit kernel drivers...it will be fixed, but maybe not tonight...can you cope with 32-bit for a while?
[10:31] <Fazer> hm...i think this desktop alos needs linux =/
[10:31] <mitza> it isnt working to me
[10:31] <mitza> it says it is an invalid file format
[10:32] <Gnome> djm62: I cat no problems whit my sound on amd64
[10:32] <dcraven> Fazer, I dare ya!
[10:32] <Fazer> dcraven: I asked my dad yesterday, he said...get a bigger HD.
[10:32] <deresh> djm62: sure i can but i thought that it was only problem with my conf.....
[10:32] <djm62> Gnome: you using the same card?
[10:32] <jordanau> mitza, that theme is for windowmaker not gnome
[10:32] <Fazer> yay
[10:32] <mitza> :?
[10:32] <Gnome> aah dont know :s sorry:)
[10:32] <Fazer> "Setting up diveintopython"
[10:32] <mitza> i`ve installed window maker
[10:32] <dcraven> Fazer, some day you gotta just do it. You'll never wean yourself off of Windows until you format it off (assuming you want to be Windows-free that is).
[10:32] <jordanau> mitza, ahhh
[10:33] <mitza> :D
[10:33] <djm62> Gnome: it sounds like an annoying glitch thing
[10:33] <jordanau> mitza, then i can't help you...
[10:33] <mitza> i`m dumb right?
[10:33] <dcraven> Fazer, that's a python book.
[10:33] <mitza> ok
[10:33] <Fazer> dcraven: Yeah, I have it =)
[10:33] <mitza> np m8
[10:33] <jordanau> mitza, are you in windowmaker?
[10:33] <Fazer> dcraven: I was thinking of getting an iBook =)_
[10:33] <mitza> no
[10:33] <mitza> i`m in gnome
[10:33] <ztonzy> delire, hold on tight, here we go ! :)
[10:33] <jordanau> mitza, you have to be in windowmaker
[10:33] <Gnome> djm62: my sound is just a dolbi 5.1 onboard:)
[10:33] <hellstorm> it's so frustrating, i've ordered ubuntu for a year already and have yet to receive those CDs
[10:33] <Fazer> But yhaving a Windows machine (not hooked up to the network ofcourse) Can be cool to..uhm...stay up to date on the windows world ;)
[10:33] <Elsidox_> has anyone gotten ifolder to run?
[10:33] <dcraven> Fazer, for OSX? Or so you can deal with the Linux/PPC issues?
[10:33] <Fazer> man, ubuntu really loves Python.
[10:33] <ztonzy> delire, wow !
[10:34] <Fazer> dcraven: for OS X  =/
[10:34] <deresh> djm62: but i go a bran new 64bit computer and wanted a 64bit OS....but it seems that i should wait some more for a fully functional 64bit ubuntu
[10:34] <mitza> where can i find themes that supports gnome ?
[10:34] <ztonzy> delire, it went faster than a second !
[10:34] <delire> ztonzy: hehe cool
[10:34] <dcraven> Fazer, yeah Ubuntu is heavy on Python. They even state that they prefer Python for new utilities.
[10:34] <delire> ztonzy: how does it look?
[10:34] <ncp> is there an easy way i can start etc. torsmo when ever i log in as my user? maybe a file i my homedir or something?
[10:34] <jordanau> mitza, you can enter windowmaker if it is properly installed, by loging out going to seesions and choosing windowmaker
[10:34] <deresh> bye all
[10:34] <kakalto> what's kde's ftp manager?
[10:34] <Fazer> dcraven: Awesomeness
[10:34] <jordanau> mitza, i think
[10:34] <DocUb> kftp
[10:34] <djm62> deresh: definitely, but you may as well enjoy fully-functional 32-bit while you wait, no? :-/
[10:34] <ztonzy> delire, tiney borders...but feels slick resizing
[10:35] <mitza> yep
[10:35] <mitza> ok
[10:35] <mitza> i`ll try
[10:35] <cens0red> hey where's the python library tkSnack ?
[10:35] <djm62> ncp: .profile (for console login) or gnome-session-manager for graphical stuff
[10:35] <Fazer> dcraven: Do you know how much space a laptop install takes by any chance?
[10:35] <delire> ztonzy: you can alt-leftmousedrag and move the window around
[10:35] <DocUb> kakalto: if you didn't see what I typed, the KDE ftp is kftp
[10:35] <djm62> Fazer: 2Gb or less
[10:35] <Fazer> djm62: Ah, i hope its less ;)(
[10:36] <dcraven> Fazer, no. I've installed tons on this one so it's big now.
[10:36] <Fazer> my HD is only 5.7 GB (real)
[10:36] <kakalto> DocUb, thanks
[10:36] <DocUb> kakalto: np :)
[10:36] <jordanau> anybody have a good mp3 to wav converter??
[10:36] <ztonzy> delire, yes just like any other
[10:36] <djm62> Fazer: remember, it's everything in that 2Gb though...you won't need to install much else significant
[10:36] <Fazer> djm62: Ah yeah, that's neat.
[10:36] <dcraven> Fazer, actually, I've installed tons on here, but my / is only just under 3GB now.
[10:36] <Fazer> djm62: Is Apach/Mysql also included?
[10:36] <Fazer> dcraven: Hmm, I can live with that :P
[10:37] <jordanau> dcraven, i am at 15 gb
[10:37] <Fazer> and what is gstreamer.
[10:37] <kakalto> DocUb, it's not there
[10:37] <kakalto> DocUb, where do I get it?
[10:37] <djm62> Fazer: ubuntu has a "no servers by default" policy, I think
[10:37] <dcraven> jordanau, does that include /home?
[10:37] <DocUb> type FTP in your kynaptic
[10:37] <jordanau> dcraven, yes
[10:37] <kakalto> DocUb, I did, kftp isn't there
[10:37] <jordanau> dcraven, and the first season of lost :)
[10:37] <dcraven> jordanau, well then of course.. All your porn is in there.
[10:37] <DocUb> ok what listings are there that are ftp's
[10:37] <crypticreign[w] > why is it so hard to find info on how to add a shared printer on a windows machine to the cups gui
[10:37] <jordanau> dcraven, lol
[10:37] <chavo> kakalto, I just use konqueror for ftp in KDE.
[10:37] <Fazer> djm62: no servers meaning no apache and stuff?
[10:37] <dcraven> jordanau, I'm just talkin' about /.
[10:38] <thanatosys> hey has anyone ever tried to shop for guys t-shirts on amazon
[10:38] <cens0red> jordanau $mpg123 -w new.wav old.mp3
[10:38] <kakalto> chavo, ahk, thanks
[10:38] <djm62> Fazer: gstreamer sits between multimedia applications and the sound card, so that each application doesn't need to know how to use each type of media file
[10:38] <jordanau> oh i thought / was a parent of /home
[10:38] <Fazer> djm62: oh, i see.
[10:38] <dcraven> jordanau, /home and /boot are their own partitions.
[10:38] <DocUb> :)
[10:38] <thanatosys> i swear there is like 20 million tshirts
[10:38] <mjc> has anyone seen packages for mono for amd64?
[10:38] <mjc> 1.1.4
[10:38] <chavo> There's an app called kbear, but I've never tried it since konq gets the job done.
[10:38] <Fazer> thanatosys: thinkgeek.com has some nice shirts ;)
[10:38] <Fazer> some  are even funny!
[10:38] <jordanau> dcraven, my home is on the same partition, should i change that?
[10:38] <dcraven> jordanau, well it depends on the partitions you made during install.
[10:38] <DocUb> hmm, I think I sawl one come in for Ubuntu a few days ago mjc
[10:38] <djm62> Fazer: yeah...ubuntu is meant to be desktop-oriented, but you can install the other stuff with apt
[10:38] <Fazer> djm62: thats still neat.
[10:38] <thanatosys> yea thinkgeek is ok
[10:38] <jordanau> dcraven, yeah i just have a swap and /
[10:39] <dcraven> jordanau, no matter. It just means that when you reinstall Linux some day you will lose your data and application settings.
[10:39] <thanatosys> im looking for shirts that i dont have to worry about seeing other people wear
[10:39] <Fazer> Hmm... "Fontonfig error: Cannot load default config file"
[10:39] <thanatosys> i almost attempted at making my own in photosho
[10:39] <thanatosys> p
[10:39] <djm62> Fazer: most people don't use servers so they'd just be a liability
[10:39] <dcraven> jordanau, I've had the same /home partition and data over several installs for years... haha
[10:39] <Fazer> djm62: yeah, I understand.
[10:39] <dcraven> jordanau, well.. SInce 2001.
[10:39] <Gandalfar> dcraven: tried a lot of distros?
[10:39] <Fazer> Now just wish it would hury up with setting all those packages.
[10:39] <chavo> thanatosys, just go to cafepress.com and open up a shop. Upload your art and order a tshirt.
[10:40] <thanatosys> yea ive thought about it but im lazy
[10:40] <Fazer> w00t, python2.4-twisted is installed too eh, that is le awesome.
[10:40] <thanatosys> plust the font to make a got linux shirt is 22bucks
[10:40] <chavo> Yeah me too.
[10:40] <thanatosys> cannot find it for free
[10:40] <dcraven> Gandalfar, not really. Gentoo since 2001, then Debian about 3 months ago, and now Ubuntu.
[10:40] <AlP> does anyone use DVD-RAM?
[10:40] <DocUb> Who knows how to remove the Debian listing in my Applications on my taskbar?
[10:40] <delire> thanatosys: what's the url for your t-shirt shop..
[10:40] <thanatosys> and i dont like computergear.com  their crap looks like crap
[10:40] <djm62> Fazer: go get $beverage...relax :)
[10:40] <thanatosys> i dont have one lol
[10:40] <AlP> I've got a few "annormalies"
[10:40] <jordanau> Gandalfar, i am sure he has, he is the man, he read my xorg.conf and found a wrong uppercase letter and fixed my computer
[10:41] <delire> Fazer: you know one of the Ubuntu devels is a Python developer?
[10:41] <Fazer> djm62: I was gonna go get some food.
[10:41] <Gandalfar> jordanau: a true Gentoo person, I see :)
[10:41] <thanatosys> i did see a great shirt though sadly it was to profain for school
[10:41] <Fazer> delire: No, but I wouldn't be suprised with all I see is Python scrolling up and down the screeen! ;P
[10:41] <dcraven> jordanau, haha... Your logs pointed me to it. I can't take credit.
[10:41] <thanatosys> "You say potato, i say fuck you"
[10:41] <Cred> Hello, could someone help me a bit with hotplug not loading firmware?
[10:41] <DocUb> lol
[10:41] <dcraven> thanatosys, lol
[10:41] <dcraven> don't swear.
[10:41] <delire> Fazer: Ubuntu is probably the OS closest to python in existance for that reason.
[10:41] <thanatosys> sorry i put it in quotes
[10:41] <djm62> Fazer: it will be happy without you, and if it needs you it will wait patiently
[10:41] <thanatosys> plus cussing like f*** you looks dumb
[10:41] <Gandalfar> What an idea, PythonOS! :)
[10:42] <jordanau> thanatosys, haha
[10:42] <dcraven> thanatosys, true ;p
[10:42] <jordanau> Gandalfar, yeah no need to compile.....
[10:42] <Fazer> djm62: hehe, kinda like a girl(friend)
[10:42] <dcraven> Gandalfar, with a Python kernel.
[10:42] <DocUb> delire: do you know how to remove a listing in the Applications taskbar?
[10:42] <Fazer> speaking of which, i really need one.
[10:42] <DocUb> Such as Debian
[10:42] <djm62> :-D
[10:42] <thanatosys> has anyone noticed that whenever gd is uttered on mtv God is bleeped out instead of dam?
[10:42] <Gandalfar> dcraven: is that doable?
[10:42] <cens0red> Python OS?
[10:42] <Fazer> wait, i hope i didnt piss any females off in here.
[10:42] <delire> DocUb: i don't use Gnome.. sorry
[10:42] <Fazer> Python OS owuld rule.
[10:42] <jordanau> Gandalfar, it would be super fast
[10:42] <DocUb> :-/
[10:42] <Fazer> from system import wifi
[10:42] <DocUb> no worries
[10:42] <Fazer> wifi.workalreadyplease()
[10:42] <dcraven> Gandalfar, it wouldn't be a very good idea if it were.
[10:42] <dags> is it critical for performance to update to the 686-smp kernel image when using a new p4?
[10:43] <Gandalfar> it would probably resamble Oberon OS
[10:43] <Fazer> wait.. DocUb is a female?
[10:43] <DocUb> umm
[10:43] <DocUb> no
[10:43] <Fazer> oh
[10:43] <DocUb> I am a male
[10:43] <delire> Fazer: hehe
[10:43] <Gandalfar> dags: not really
[10:43] <cens0red> hey where's the python library tkSnack ?
[10:43] <DocUb> yep male
[10:43] <dcraven> dags, I would do it, but I wouldn't call it "critical".
[10:43] <djm62> apt-get install y-chromosome
[10:43] <Raskall> to get my laptop upgraded to breezy, do I just replace "hoary" with "breezy" in sources.list, apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:43] <DocUb> yep Raskall
[10:43] <delire> DocUb: i think there is a gnome menu editor of some kind in circulation
[10:44] <Gandalfar> brezzy is out! Whoo, new updates time
[10:44] <DocUb> ahh
[10:44] <Raskall> DocUb: thanx. :)
[10:44] <punkrockguy318> What is a program that will modify a large amount of jpeg pictures?
[10:44] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: imagemagick
[10:44] <Fazer> punkrockguy318: convert
[10:44] <DocUb> delire, thnx for the tip, forgot about that thing
[10:44] <djm62> punkrockguy318: convert
[10:44] <mcphail> dags - the 686 kernels aremuch better. Isn't the smp kernel for dual processors?
[10:44] <Fazer> which is part of imagemagik
[10:44] <DocUb> no problem Raskal
[10:44] <dcraven> Raskall, you may get errors following that algorithm if you have merrillat etc in there though.
[10:44] <jordanau> yeah i will get breezy in a little under six months...
[10:44] <thanatosys> hey is a pentium m processor a 686 or what
[10:44] <punkrockguy318> Alright... i'm not to great wish bash, is there a script or some sort of frontend?
[10:44] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, imagemajick + bash.
[10:44] <thanatosys> i have never found out
[10:44] <thanatosys> ?
[10:45] <Raskall> dcraven: that should not be a problem. Have clean ubuntu-repos all the way
[10:45] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: what do you want to do?
[10:45] <mcphail> thanatosys: the 686 kernel is good with pentium m
[10:45] <Fazer> how long would/should it take for Ubuntu to load on a low-end laptop like mine? (thinkpad with 366 MHz)
[10:45] <thanatosys> thanks
[10:45] <punkrockguy318> Gandalfar, i would like to reduce the quality of some of my pictures
[10:45] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, I dunno.
[10:45] <dags> mcphail, smp is for dual and hyper threading cpu like p4
[10:45] <dcraven> Raskall, you're good to go then!
[10:45] <delire> punkrockguy318 hehe
[10:45] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: take a look at 'convert' manpage to see how you can use -quality
[10:45] <djm62> Fazer: it's just grinding away at the disk and cd drives...it could take a while...up to an hour
[10:45] <dcraven> Raskall, be warned though it could be a bumpy few weeks.
[10:45] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: then google up 'for' sentance in bash
[10:45] <delire> punkrockguy318 or setup a script in gimp
[10:46] <jordanau> punkrockguy318, can't gimp do batch file work
[10:46] <mcphail> dags: ok - then I'd upgrade.
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> jordanau, hmm, i wasn't aware
[10:46] <Fazer> djm62: Yeah, during install, I don't really mind that .
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> Gandalfar, mmm very good idea
[10:46] <Fazer> just anxious to get wifi working.
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> Gandalfar, i've never became fluent with the bash syntax... good idea!
[10:46] <punkrockguy318> thanks a lot everyone
[10:46] <jordanau> punkrockguy318, this might be crazy but run a bash script and then a gimp python fu script to do all you need
[10:46] <Raskall> dcraven: :) np. I just pop in the hoary cd if it gets too bad. :) I am just changing diapers and feeding my baby these days, so I have plenty of time to get things working. :)
[10:47] <djm62> Fazer: I know what you mean...wifi is seriously disruptive technology
[10:47] <Quest-Master> What can be used to play RAM files? (RealAudio files)
[10:47] <thanatosys> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000932CW2/sr=1-2/qid=1113598008/ref=sr_1_2/104-1843184-5692720?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=1045624&s=apparel&v=glance
[10:47] <kakalto> konqueror can't handle my ftp :(
[10:47] <thanatosys> thats great
[10:47] <dcraven> Raskall, cool. And congrats on the baby :)
[10:47] <djm62> Quest-Master: realplayer is pretty good on linux
[10:47] <Gandalfar> punkrockguy318: maybe a digikam-plugin can help you
[10:47] <Quest-Master> Is it in apt djm62?
[10:47] <Fazer> djm62: Heh, distruptive? I think is neat.  Just wish it would work well with LInux. =/
[10:47] <cens0red> Quest-Master totem media player, or you can get the RealPlayer for linux from Real.
[10:47] <djm62> Quest-Master: I don't think so...google realplayer helix and you can get a deb, I think
[10:48] <burgermann> lo.. do anyone know wich "file" in /dev/ refers to the USB port?
[10:48] <burgermann> ...s
[10:48] <Quest-Master> cens0red: Totem isn't working.. do I need Totem xine?
[10:48] <dcraven> Quest-Master, realplayer includes all the spyware one would want, use that.
[10:48] <dcraven> :)
[10:48] <Fazer> burgermann: /dev/sd0
[10:48] <Fazer> i think..
[10:48] <burgermann> oh
[10:48] <Raskall> dcraven: thnx.. been 6 months now, but it's still very new.
[10:48] <djm62> dcraven: the latest version is almost all open code
[10:48] <cens0red> can mplayer stream real?
[10:48] <dcraven> djm62, oh yeah? I still hate them ;)
[10:48] <punkrockguy318> what's the difference between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer (besides the ovious)
[10:49] <burgermann> Fazer, nahh.. doesn't exist :/
[10:49] <djm62> dcraven: everything apart from the codecs which any FLOSS project would also use to play them is open (and available to download separately, for free)
[10:49] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, nothing but the obvious.
[10:49] <Fazer> burgermann: Hmm, you plugged in a USB storage device?
[10:49] <Fazer> burgermann: if you did, for me, a desktop icon appears.
[10:49] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, which currently has better compatiblity?
[10:49] <Quest-Master> hmm
[10:49] <Quest-Master> Well, Totem isn't streaming RAMs
[10:49] <Fazer> Setting up totem.
[10:49] <djm62> dcraven: I know you hate them, which is fair enough, but they have left the spyware+bloat stuff behind
[10:49] <dcraven> djm62, realplayer has left a bad taste in my mouth since my WIndows days.
[10:50] <dcraven> Junk software.
[10:50] <burgermann> Fazer, ye it's my sony ericsson phone.. :S.. i'm trying out multisync and figuring it all out :S
[10:50] <djm62> still sucks on windows :)
[10:50] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, totem-xine.
[10:51] <Fazer> burgermann: Oh, I still need to get a cellphone.
[10:51] <Fazer> The best use I can think of is using it to check time!
[10:51] <burgermann> Fazer, heh, u sure do
[10:51] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, why is totem-gstreamer isntalled by default?
[10:51] <Fazer> Because it likes you?
[10:52] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, I dunno. If you install totem-xine, it will uninstall totem-gstreamer.
[10:52] <djp> does anyone know why some software gui's and fonts used look awful? Audacity is the example i have @ present using hoary...
[10:52] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, eventually gstreamer will be the way to go.
[10:52] <djm62> djp: audacity doesn't use the gtk toolkit for most of the interface
[10:52] <mcphail> djp: depends on the toolkit the developer favours
[10:53] <LinuxJones> djp, what resolution are you running at ?
[10:53] <djp> cheers guys
[10:53] <Methias> hey everybody
[10:53] <guuba> hi
[10:53] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, maybe by breezy?
[10:53] <djp> LinuxJones: 1024x768
[10:53] <Methias> is openoffice.org 2.0 beta available thru apt-get yet?
[10:53] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, hard to say.
[10:53] <Fazer> pesti_away is still away.
[10:53] <Methias> the one with the pretty blue splash screen?
[10:53] <LinuxJones> djp, is that a laptop by chance ?
[10:53] <djm62> djp: gtk is a piece of infrastructure which makes the rest look great...but some software is almost as old as it
[10:53] <djp> LinuxJones: no, desktop
[10:54] <LinuxJones> djp, okie
[10:54] <charlesdarwin> Problem with mplayer: "mplayer movie" fails (MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: vo_check_events), but "mplayer -vo x11 movie" works (I have an old ATI Rage card). However, vo=x11 is set in mplayer.conf, and I don't believe it's being overridden by a user-specific setting. Help?
[10:54] <Gnome> :s is tis normal when you have install dcgui-gt whit ap-get, and you start then dcgui-qt you get errors?:s
[10:54] <dcraven> Methias, yes.
[10:54] <mcphail> Methias: I think there's a link to a repo on the OO.o site
[10:54] <DocUb> O.o
[10:54] <crimsun> ryman|: pong?
[10:54] <ryman|> ping ?
[10:54] <Fazer> I wonder if I can watch .avi files on my laptop with 2.5 MB of ram.  I was able to do that in Windows but not very well.
[10:54] <delire> ztonzy you can however create those files and then enter the above line. 'touch .xinitrc' && echo "exec openbox" >> .xinitrc'
[10:54] <dcraven> I gotta split guys.. My wife is yelling at me.
[10:54] <guuba> anyone else got that out of sync going on with ati radeon cards?
[10:55] <dcraven> Cheers 'til later.
[10:55] <Fazer> dcraven: Awww =( later.
[10:55] <crimsun> ryman|: you called earlier?
[10:55] <guuba> when shutting down or rebooting
[10:55] <djm62> bon chance
[10:55] <dcraven> Good luck Fazer .
[10:55] <ryman|> crimsun, I was going to ask you about partition
[10:55] <ztonzy> delire, thanks
[10:55] <Fazer> dcraven: thanks dude.
[10:55] <ryman|> but someone helped me thanks
[10:55] <crimsun> ryman|: ok
[10:55] <Methias> dcraven - how do i install it?  the repositories i have inm my config file only load the version of 2.0 with the red X through the version number on the splash screen and that version BLOWS
[10:55] <djp> easytag for example now fits in with the gnome look and feel really well in hoary. Audacity is the first program that doesn't look right... still it does the job, so i'll shut up now... ;)
[10:56] <Methias> i need the moist updated version of the beta because thats what im running on my win32 partition and the old version cantread the new file forkats
[10:56] <djm62> djp: you could search for something similar in gtk2, but audacity is good at what it does
[10:56] <cens0red> arg. Another st00pid site that won't let me in because I don't have "windows media player"/
[10:56] <djp> can anyone recommend a good (but cheap) microphone to use with audacity?
[10:56] <djm62> cens0red: have you tried mplayerplug-in?
[10:56] <charlesdarwin> I'm using it
[10:56] <guuba> ooow crap. nevermind.. more beer ->
[10:56] <charlesdarwin> It fails because mplayer fails
[10:57] <charlesdarwin> gmplayer, however, works
[10:57] <cens0red> djm62 I just apt-got the mozilla-mplayer plugin. Same thing?
[10:57] <EvilIdler> djp: I bought a game that included a Logitech headset plus soundtrack :)
[10:57] <djm62> cens0red: um...I think so
[10:57] <charlesdarwin> the entire reason I need mplayer to work is so that mplayerplug-in wont fail after buffering
[10:57] <djp> djm62: sure. audacity is good. not so bothered about the look... just looking for the reason why that is and a couple of peeps have now set me straight, so to speak!
[10:57] <djm62> charlesdarwin: have you used the preferences in gmplayer to save the settings that work for you?
[10:58] <charlesdarwin> ...and I just realized that that was to cens0red, not me :|
[10:58] <Methias> mcphail - i cant find the repo on the oo.o site...  can you give me a hand with it?
[10:58] <djp> headset mic is better than a standard mic?
[10:58] <charlesdarwin> Many users, similar problems
[10:58] <Methias> once i get it installed im gravy
[10:58] <charlesdarwin> Ubuntu + multimedia = chaos
[10:58] <guuba> hey can i run wmv in totem somehow?
[10:58] <Methias> i just have a ton of writing to do
[10:58] <delire> charlesdarwin: vlc has a mozilla plugin.
[10:58] <guuba> and yes, i'm a n00b
[10:58] <Fazer> hmm, whats audacity
[10:58] <cens0red> it hates ALSA, and I can't jackd working.
[10:58] <charlesdarwin> Yes, djm62, I have
[10:59] <charlesdarwin> And they do.
[10:59] <mcphail> Methias: I might be talking out of my arse...! I thought I'd stumbled on it the other day
[10:59] <LinuxJones> guuba, it's easiest to install gxine and the w32codecs pack search the website for restricted formats
[10:59] <djm62> ayyyy
[10:59] <saik0> guuba, what backend is Totme using?
[10:59] <djp> Fazer: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
[10:59] <djm62> ardour would be great if it was all the way there
[10:59] <djm62> especially with 1.0 rosegarden
[11:00] <guuba> LinuxJones, ok, i'll try that. thanks
[11:00] <saik0> guuba, ya, that works, tho I wold recomment totem-xine over gxine
[11:01] <TwEeT> Hey
[11:01] <djm62> rosegarden 4.0x10^0 or whatever it is
[11:01] <TwEeT> does rhythmbox keep the media you added in the library after restarts?
[11:01] <Zomb> yes
[11:01] <saik0> TwEeT, yes
[11:02] <Zomb> OTOH rhythmbox sucks if you add more than 2-3k files to it
[11:02] <Zomb> err, to the list
[11:02] <dcahrakos> Well, basically, I burned the hoary iso to a cd, rebooted, set my bios to boot from cd, then I got to the screen where it says press enter to boot, I do that and it does a couple things, and gets to uncompressing linux and booting kernel or something of that nature, and then my pc, just resets..
[11:02] <LinuxJones> guuba, you can also check out www.ubuntuguide.org for more goodies :)
 what is good for ~6,000 songs
[11:02] <Zomb> TwEeT: xmms, amarok, pytone (buy rumors)
[11:03] <guupsta> so much help, so little time :)
[11:03] <saik0> dont forget BMP and muine
[11:03] <Zomb> s/buy/by/
[11:03] <TwEeT> i have muine, but haven't tried it yet
[11:03] <TwEeT> why isn't rhythmbox good for large libraries?
[11:03] <Zomb> muine is nice but slow and needs Mono, BMP?! the windows tool?
[11:03] <saik0> the advante of those is GTK2
[11:03] <delire> guupsta can't complain about *too much* support ;)
[11:04] <thoreauputic> the new bmp is a vast improvement ( 0.9.7 )
[11:04] <guupsta> delire, word :)
[11:04] <saik0> BMP = beep-media-player.  A GTK2 fork rewrite of XMMS
[11:04] <delire> Zomb: i like pytone alot
[11:04] <TwEeT> Hey, what do I need to do mount my windows share (samba share) at bootup?
[11:04] <saik0> TwEeT, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:04] <TwEeT> it is share that isn't passworded or anything and I can't figure out what to put in my fstab
[11:04] <Zomb> saik0: aah, available in Debian?
[11:04] <john__> hello
[11:04] <delire> Zomb: though the more oggs/mp3's i have the longer it takes to build a database
[11:05] <djm62> I can recommend zinf, too...not sure how it is for huge numbers of files
[11:05] <john__> Where should I put the map-thing in meu.lst?
[11:05] <Zomb> delire: sounds like O(n^x) algorithms
[11:05] <LinuxJones> TwEeT,  check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:05] <saik0> Zomb, ineed. the package is beep-media-player in universe I believe
[11:05] <john__> menu.lst*
[11:05] <TwEeT> what should i put for credentials if it doesn't require anything?
[11:05] <delire> Zomb: it does a litte ;)
[11:06] <Absenth> happy Friday North America.  :)
[11:06] <TwEeT> see, it stumped you guys too
[11:07] <saik0> TwEeT, heh then you dont need one. but I would recommend it unless the otherbox is blocking all other IPs exept yours on the SMB port
[11:07] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone has a link for Ubuntu as an IDS?  or anything rughly related to setting up Ubuntu as an IDS
[11:07] <saik0> well, i'd porbably still recommend it then
[11:08] <john__> hello?
[11:08] <john__> I asked a question!
[11:08] <delire> john__ i have no idea what you are doing. can you state your problem/question again?
[11:08] <LinuxJones> Absenth, what is ids ??
 i think i read somewhere that you should put guest as a username, but what should I put as password?
[11:08] <gijosh> Hey.  I installed the freeciv package with apt-get, but I can't figure out where it installed it to.  How do I find that out?
[11:08] <TwEeT> nothing?
[11:08] <Absenth> LinuxJones, Intrusion Detection System (ie configuring it for Snort/Acid)
[11:09] <john__> Scroll up... Heh... I can't get the grub to boot windows.
[11:09] <Fazer> horray!
[11:09] <Fazer> ubuntu is installed!
[11:09] <delire> gijosh: whereis freeciv
[11:09] <dcahrakos> hey, can anyone help me with this?
[11:09] <delire> Fazer: grand ;)
[11:09] <gijosh> delire:  Thanks
[11:09] <dcahrakos> I burned the hoary iso to a cd, rebooted, set my bios to boot from cd, then I got to the screen where it says press enter to boot, I do that and it does a couple things, and gets to uncompressing linux and booting kernel or something of that nature, and then my pc, just resets..
[11:09] <DocUb> Gratz Fazer :)
[11:09] <Fazer> still feels like a livecd!
[11:09] <Jason> Evening all
[11:09] <john__> Someone told me to put the map-command into the menu.lst. Bit where?
[11:09] <DocUb> ;)
[11:09] <DocUb> but better
[11:09] <saik0> john__ http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:09] <Fazer> i guess :P
[11:10] <kakalto> what is a qt-based ftp manager?
[11:10] <nickrud> gijosh: dpkg -L | grep bin
[11:10] <john__> I know. I looked there. I didn't find it...
[11:10] <gijosh> I typed whereis freeciv.    I got the output "Freeciv:   "  That doesn't tell me much. o.o
[11:10] <Fazer> man, i hate it how when i scroll, the thing flickers.
[11:10] <delire> gijosh: on all linux systems the executables are *usually* installed in either /usr/bin (via a package manager) or /usr/local/bin (compiled and installed by you) with /bin being the base installation's binaries
[11:10] <crawford> kakalto: konqueror has nice ftp capabilities
[11:10] <gijosh> Yea, I looked in /usr/bin
[11:10] <kakalto> crawford, konqueror isn't working for my ftp
[11:10] <holycow> dcahrakos, are you able to boot into a knoppix live cd? if so you may wish to try reburning or redownloading the ubuntu iso
[11:10] <nickrud> gijosh: dpkg -L freciv | grep bin    (duh)
[11:11] <gijosh> nickrud:  Thanks.
[11:11] <delire> gijosh: however as all of these are 'within your path' (see /etc/profile) it means you can simply type in the terminal to start the application or find it in your DE's menu
[11:11] <dcahrakos> holycow, well, it works fine booting up in VMware, which is what I did to see if it was the iso, but that works
[11:12] <kakalto> what is a qt-based ftp manager (not konqueror) ?
[11:12] <LinuxJones> Absenth, sorry was afk there is aide but I wouldn't run it if your going to run the testing branch (too many file changes)
[11:12] <delire> Fazer: what flickers?
[11:12] <guupsta> i'm off now, gotta do some _asm now ->
[11:12] <holycow> ah okay ... weird, not really sure beyond that i'm sorry, too many things could really be the cause of that
[11:12] <Fazer> delire: Like, the screen flickers when i move a window or scroll in firefox.
[11:12] <dcahrakos> damn
[11:12] <delire> Fazer: eek, your refresh rate is too low?
[11:13] <Fazer> delire: no, its on a laptop with 60Hz as the refresh rate.
[11:13] <Fazer> like, its not smooth
[11:13] <Fazer> maybe I should try xfce or something?
[11:13] <delire> Fazer: i don't recall ever seeing that. how old is that machine?
[11:13] <MarkSyms_> Fazer: or have you got xcompmgr running?
[11:13] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:13] <dcahrakos> if I have to, ill just install it in vmware, and use it from there, its rather fast and is still good to use
[11:13] <mcphail> Fazer: I think your machine spec is struggling
[11:13] <Absenth> LinuxJones, Aide is great for auditing the security of the linux computer itself.  What I'm shooting for is an IDS on the internet connection.  Ie, Eth0 has no IP, is in Promisc. and listens to all traffic outside the firewall to detect things like portscans, etc etc etc.
[11:13] <djm62> Fazer: your laptop is on the slow end for using the full gnome desktop
[11:13] <gijosh> Aha.  Found it in /usr/games.  woohoo
[11:13] <Fazer> delire: its a thinkpad 600e, 366 Mhz with 160 MB ram.
[11:13] <Fazer> hmm i figured =/
[11:13] <pestilence> Fazer: try fluxbox.
[11:14] <Zomb> saik0: great, it is like xmms and supports UTF-8! I just miss the quick jump function.
[11:14] <pestilence> Fazer: i use it on my 1.7Ghz pentium IV laptop
[11:14] <Fazer> pestilence: welcome back ;)
[11:14] <pestilence> Fazer: thx
[11:14] <Fazer> urgh phone
[11:14] <djm62> Fazer: and you can look for lightweight programs
[11:14] <delire> hehe silly M$ is proclaiming a brand new innovative feature in Longhorn.. icons show a tiny preview of the image or textfile. haven't we heard that before..
[11:14] <Fazer> back
[11:14] <holycow> dcahrakos, i installed ubuntu in vmware, but i cannot get ubuntu to resize to anything by my 'host' resolution.  all other resolutions and refresh rates for the vmwared ubuntu result in weird fuzzy unreadable screens
[11:14] <holycow> odd
[11:14] <Fazer> okay..
[11:14] <djm62> delire: if we had, it would constitute prior art ;)
[11:14] <Fazer> pestilence: how do I get fluxbox then?
[11:15] <delire> Fazer: or http://icculus.org/openbox/2/
[11:15] <delire> djm62: if only ;)
[11:15] <holycow> delire, they have 52 billion in cash, the best they could come up with so far is xp, i have no real fear of longhorn
[11:15] <Fazer> damn it, which is the best and most lightweight Window manger?
[11:15] <delire> precis ;)
[11:15] <dcahrakos> it all worked fine with warty for me, ill install hoary now, but with warty, almost everything was fine, except a couple slow downs
[11:15] <nickrud> kakalto: I've heard of kbear
[11:15] <Absenth> icewm is pretty light, and CAN look pretty cool.
[11:15] <djm62> Fazer: fluxbox is pretty comfortable and fast
[11:15] <holycow> okay, gnomebaker seems to work pretty darn well, and easy enough for gramma to use
[11:15] <kakalto> nickrud, thanks
[11:15] <delire> Fazer: openbox can run concurrently with gnome or KDE. it is very light, everything is rendered in C++ and it has about a 2mb footprint
[11:16] <delire> ztonzy: how's openbox looking?
[11:16] <confrey> I'va installed hoary on my laptop, but I can't suspend to ram; what can I do?
[11:16] <djm62> holycow: now that you've tested it, I'm willing to use it ;)
[11:16] <Fazer> damn
[11:16] <Fazer> okay
[11:16] <Fazer> lets have a vote
[11:16] <pestilence> Fazer: apt-get install fluxbox
[11:16] <ztonzy> delire, as I said...clean and slick
[11:16] <Fazer> fluxbox or openbox?
[11:16] <Fazer> heh fine.
[11:16] <Fazer> fluxbox wins! :P
[11:16] <Fazer> delire: I will try that later on :P
[11:16] <delire> confrey: this is not uncommon. one of the only things we linux laptop users usually miss
[11:16] <djm62> Fazer: both! try them- it's free
[11:16] <TwEeT> Ahh, I can't get my drive mounted correctly
[11:16] <ztonzy> delire, but I would like to able to change modifier key
[11:16] <john__> quit
[11:17] <Absenth> fazer if it's still slow,  Blackbox is REALLY light and fast, but it's well....  minimal, at best.
[11:17] <linuxn00b> hey guys quick Q, what port does the vnc use??
[11:17] <ztonzy> delire, also...windows opens faster now
[11:17] <holycow> djm62, it's pretty darned good infact :)
[11:17] <djm62> apt-get install fluxbox blackbox waimea icewm ratpoison pwm
[11:17] <Fazer> Absenth: Ah yeah, how about xfce?
[11:17] <delire> Fazer: well i really liked it. these days i use a 'DE' called wmii http://wmi.modprobe.de but only because i work in the terminal most of the time.
[11:17] <pestilence> linuxn00b: 5901 for desktop 1
[11:17] <mjc> make-kpackge broke in breezy, woo
[11:17] <pestilence> linuxn00b: 5902 for :2
[11:17] <pestilence> etc
[11:17] <Fazer> pestilence: i get "E: Coudln't find package fluxbox
[11:17] <Fazer> i typed
[11:17] <delire> hmm waimea is also very nice. takes advantage of X.org
[11:17] <Absenth> Fazer XFCE is a lot more featureful then blackbox.
[11:17] <Fazer> "sudo apt-tget install flubox"
[11:18] <linuxn00b> ok, which do I have to forewad both on my router?
[11:18] <pestilence> Fazer: you will probably have to add the universe repositories"
[11:18] <saik0> Fazer, i've heard great results with the specs you mentioned
[11:18] <djm62> delire: last time I used it, X.org didn't exist ;)
[11:18] <sagara> hey guys can anybody help me find the cause of this error:  /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[11:18] <sagara> /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[11:18] <Fazer> saik0: Ah, which window manager? I have 2.5 MB Vram.
[11:18] <Fazer> pestilence: Okay, how shall I do that then?
[11:18] <pestilence> delire: actually, i have run gnome on a 300 mhz celeron and it works fine
[11:18] <saik0> Fazer, with xfwm
[11:18] <pestilence> delire: but, more memory
[11:18] <LinuxJones> Absenth, sorry dude I am running around the house :P ..... you can install a few things to help keep an eye on your system. Aide, Firestarter (firewall gui which is a bit like zone alarm),Portmap, chkrootkit (searches for installe rootkits)
[11:19] <delire> http://www.waimea.org/wiki/Software_2fwaimea
[11:19] <OJW> uhh, quick question: "MP3 support in rhythmbox (or generally) - howto?"
[11:19] <delire> <---
[11:19] <djm62> yeah, the old speed/space playoff
[11:19] <holycow> pestilence, infact i'm running ubuntu on a p300 right now, and installing win2k on vmware, it's not bad at all
[11:19] <delire> Fazer: see that url. you too ztonzy
[11:19] <LinuxJones> Absenth, are you running many different services on your network ?
[11:19] <pestilence> holycow: i'm using qemu, you should give it a shot :)
[11:19] <pestilence> holycow: it's *free*
[11:19] <Fazer> actually hold, let me get on xchat then.
[11:20] <djm62> after the window manager, what lightweight file-manager? ROX?
[11:20] <nickrud> OJW: sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-mad  if I recall correctly
[11:20] <thoreauputic> rox, erm, rocks!
[11:20] <sagara> T.T can anybody help? n00b issue really
[11:20] <fazer> yeap
[11:20] <fazer> can you pass that link again please?
[11:20] <delire> pestilence: gnome is too heavy for my needs. i am a 3D graphics programmer and so need less than .05% of my system memory and CPU consumed by X for the majority of the time.
[11:20] <Absenth> LinuxJones, this is for work....  We have I believe 30 World avalible IP addresses all funneled through a PIX 515,  The goal of the IDS is to watch all the traffic that's on the outside of the pix.  It's not because I want to guard the linux box persay (although having the outside interface deny all is a pretty good idea)
[11:21] <mcdonaldswes> is baz scm in wide use?
[11:21] <djm62> gaim is worth the footprint IMO, but maybe epiphany rather than firefox?
[11:21] <_phate_> i have a partition mounted on /share, how do I make a link to it on my desktop
[11:21] <pestilence> delire: i'm with ya.  i am using fluxbox
[11:21] <delire> pestilence: OSX is even worse.. poor performance in 3D graphics applications compared to even a heavy gnome install due to the card being hogged for Fast2D Blitting.
[11:21] <delire> pestilence: ahh ;)
[11:21] <dylaw> I am looking for all in one player that will play different if not all types of video files, any recommendation?
[11:21] <Kabuto> help me please :(
[11:21] <fazer> actually, let me reboot and see how fast it really bots up.
[11:21] <fazer> brb
[11:21] <OJW> thx, nickrud, will try.  think I might need a non-cd package source too
[11:22] <Kabuto> I lost my sound all of a sudden
[11:22] <mcdonaldswes> dylaw: I like vlc
[11:22] <thoreauputic> djm62: if you want a blazingly fast light browser, get dillo (it's a bit limited though)
[11:22] <djm62> _phate_: cd ~/Desktop&&ln -s /share
[11:22] <Absenth> dylaw, mplayer
[11:22] <pestilence> dylaw: http://ubuntuguide.og
[11:22] <pestilence> dylaw: http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:22] <nickrud> OJM: yeah, you must get it from univers
[11:22] <fazer> wait, how do you ... uh...reboot?
[11:22] <fazer> using the mouse that is  =/
[11:22] <djm62> thoreauputic: that's why I though epiphany...I use dillo on my damn _ipaq_
[11:22] <mainer> try lynx(text-only) but wicked fast
[11:22] <_phate_> djm62: thanks!
[11:22] <Kabuto> guys
[11:22] <delire> fazer: there's a button in gnome..
[11:22] <Kabuto> help me please
[11:22] <Kabuto> I lost my sound all of a sudden
[11:22] <thoreauputic> djm62: there's also links-graphical
[11:23] <holycow> Kabuto, just reformat your windows partition
[11:23] <holycow> thats a guranteed way to redemtion
[11:23] <fazer> delire, log out?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> djm62: but you might have to compile that
[11:23] <OJW> so if I only have "main" selected, I need to tick more boxes?
[11:23] <nickrud> 466 celeron w/ 256K here, I run epiphany to keep the swap low, it's snappy and uh, *just works*
[11:23] <delire> mainer: hehe if you want to see images in your terminal 'sudo apt-get install w3m-img && w3m http://google.com'
[11:23] <djm62> thoreauputic: not a problem for me, but for the first time, I have plentiful hardware :-D
[11:23] <Kabuto> holycow, but I recently lost it
[11:23] <LinuxJones> Absenth, there are dedicated distros that might be a better choice than Ubuntu.
[11:23] <john__> It did not work... I tried something with X_sequence
[11:23] <dylaw> mcdonaldswes: I tried installing vlc, but I couldnt install some of the dependencies due to security reasons ? :~
[11:24] <ztonzy> delire, installed and runs
[11:24] <delire> ztonzy: great!
[11:24] <delire> ztonzy: is it alot faster?
[11:24] <crimsun> dylaw: you have to enable universe for vlc.
[11:24] <mainer> delire:amaya?
[11:24] <Raskall> I chickened out and ctrl-c-ed the breezy upgrade. I like to have a working system when I'm applying for jobs. :)
[11:24] <Absenth> LinuxJones, I kinda figured.  Looking into some of those now.
[11:24] <delire> mainer: i don't know what that is..
[11:24] <mjc> djm62, go to 512MB or better and you'll be really happy
[11:24] <TwEeT> Does anyone know how to mount a windows share that has no password protection?
[11:24] <ztonzy> delire, dunoo yet...but now the mouse+modifier key is better ;)
[11:25] <dylaw> crimsun: ok, thanks, will give it another go
[11:25] <delire> ztonzy: hit ALT-mousewheel in a window and drag
[11:25] <Raskall> djm62: must be like going to heaven. But It's not a long way to Nirvana. :)
[11:25] <LinuxJones> Absenth, >> http://www.smoothwall.org/
[11:25] <Kabuto> noone to help me?
[11:25] <djm62> especially when _everything_ on the laptop works out of the box
[11:25] <mainer> i hate to say it,but netscape(aol) v7.2 for linuxi686 is fast also,less mem than mozilla/ff,but still a fair amt.
[11:25] <LinuxJones> Absenth, Suse and Mandrake both offer similar products
[11:25] <delire> Kabuto what were you doing when you suddenly had no sound?
[11:26] <john__> Noone to help me either...
[11:26] <sagara> I HAVE no sound either
[11:26] <ztonzy> delire, that's Zbuffer ordere
[11:26] <thoreauputic> mainer: really? Netscape 7.2 is just Firefox in drag, as far as I know...
[11:26] <djm62> and then you rip some techy podcasts onto SD and listen to them on your linux-running ipaq handheld....THEN it's nerdvana ;)
[11:26] <delire> the first time i saw images in the terminal i nearly fell out of the chair.
[11:26] <Kabuto> delire, I created a symlink. then I got no sound, first I deleted the link, and the file link pointed to, but still no sound
[11:26] <Raskall> Kabuto: My hoary server just muted the sound all of a sudden. My mp3 jukebox stopped working. I had to use aumix to turn on the sound again.
[11:27] <crimsun> Kabuto: / sagara: please paste lsmod, lspci -v, amixer, and cat /proc/asound/cards output onto pastebin if you're still having sound problems
[11:27] <saik0> thoreauputic, shoot. I thouth it was mozilla in drag
[11:27] <mjc> delire, images in the terminal? eh?
[11:27] <delire> ztonzy: hmm well i can't remember what the resize button is. use a text editor to view .config/openbox/rc.xml or similar all the bindings are in there
[11:28] <delire> ztonzy: also install obconf the openbox configurator
[11:28] <fazer> hmmm
[11:28] <ztonzy> delire, aah, it is RMB
[11:28] <fazer> okay
[11:28] <delire> mjc: yep, tis a lovely thing to behold
[11:28] <fazer> so, how shall I get fluxbox installed?
[11:28] <crimsun> mjc: stuff like aalib
[11:28] <Raskall> Kabuto: also check your audio device permissions and if your user is a member of the audio user group.
[11:28] <delire> Kabuto: what was the symlink to?
[11:28] <delire> ztonzy: hard for me to remember the shortcuts ..
[11:28] <john__> It did not work... I tried something with X_sequence to fix the Windows-boot problem.
[11:29] <chazwurth> mainer: they release Netscape for Linux?
[11:29] <fazer> delire, how sohuld I get my fluxbox working?
[11:29] <delire> fazer: http://www.waimea.org/wiki/Software_2fwaimea
[11:29] <ztonzy> delire, but this wasnt for waimeia ?
[11:29] <fazer> delire, thanks
[11:29] <ztonzy> waimea*
[11:29] <Kabuto> delire, /etc/init.d/boot.local
[11:29] <nickrud> john__ what windows boot problem? (missed previous posts)
[11:29] <delire> fazer see that page first, and also consider openbox for gnome interoperability
[11:29] <TwEeT> Here's the deal, if i mount it like so: "mount -t smbfs //family/MySharedFolder /mnt/music" it works perfectly, is there a way that I can have that run automatically at boot as an alternative to messing with the fstab?
[11:29] <delire> Kabuto: why were you playing around with that?
[11:29] <john__> the grub fails to boot windows XP.
[11:30] <fazer> delire, okay, i think since i am new, i will try fluxbox first
[11:30] <delire> Kabuto ls -l /etc/init.d/boot.local
[11:30] <abarbaccia> hey, anybody here use amarok with ubuntu? i'm having trouble setting it up
[11:30] <nickrud> john__ wait one ...
[11:30] <delire> Kabuto: flxubox will be harder for you as you'll have no gnome panel or menu.
[11:30] <john__> nickrud: sec?
[11:30] <delire> Kabuto: sorry wrong person.
[11:30] <delire> fazer: flxubox will be harder for you as you'll have no gnome panel or menu.
[11:30] <ztonzy> delire, is there also a for waimaea as for openbox ?
[11:30] <ztonzy> this obconf ?
[11:30] <delire> fazer: but sure give it a go. openbox is faster and lighter in my experience
[11:31] <delire> ztonzy: it's for openbox
[11:31] <fazer> delire: alright, openbox it is
[11:31] <TwEeT> Anyone?
[11:31] <john__> What anyone?
[11:31] <delire> fazer: try both..
[11:31] <ztonzy> delire, but now I use waimea
[11:31] <Kabuto> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/271789
[11:31] <delire> ztonzy: hehe ok..
[11:31] <delire> ztonzy: no i don't think so..
[11:31] <fazer> delire, so, how do install openbox, that link isn't for openbox though
[11:31] <djm62> fazer: you really can afford to go crazy and try them all, and choose the one you prefer
[11:31] <tbird> how do i completly remove gnome
[11:31] <ztonzy> delire, but I can switch back
[11:31] <EddieX> Anyone who has made a package for the latest blackbox? :)
[11:31] <chazwurth> delire: since you seem to like openbox, I've got a question for ya: assuming I'm loggin in with gdm, how do I make sure xscreensaver starts when I log in to an openbox session?
[11:32] <delire> fazer: apt-get install openbox
[11:32] <djm62> fazer: give them at least an hour for a fair trial
[11:32] <nickrud> john__: /join #pastebin, I've put a grub stanza there.
[11:32] <delire> chazwurth hmm, haven't used xscreensaver in years
[11:32] <chazwurth> delire: what do you use to lock the screen?
[11:32] <delire> ztonzy: use whatever you like.
[11:32] <john__> nickrud: Thanks!
[11:32] <fazer> delire, djm62 thanks.
[11:32] <sagara> can anybody explain this: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
[11:32] <chazwurth> delire: I'd be fine with an alternative
[11:32] <TwEeT> I asked a simple question that I know someone is capable of answering, ill wait, its ok
[11:32] <delire> chazwurth: i use xtrlock
[11:33] <Kabuto> delire, I deleted it after I began having problems. after all, I made that file
[11:33] <chazwurth> delire: I'll look into it, thanks much; I've been playing around with openbox some this past month, and that's really been annoying me
[11:33] <mcphail> sagara: in what context?
[11:33] <nickrud> TwEeT: sound? simple?
[11:33] <pestilence> djm62: it takes more than an hour :)
[11:33] <fazer> delire, E: Invalid operation intall
[11:33] <fazer>  is what i get when i run "sudo apt-get install openbox""
[11:33] <TwEeT> Ill repeat myself
[11:33] <TwEeT> Here's the deal, if i mount it like so: "mount -t smbfs //family/MySharedFolder /mnt/music" it works perfectly, is there a way that I can have that run automatically at boot as an alternative to messing with the fstab?
[11:33] <chazwurth> delire: especially since I like everything else about openbox
[11:33] <djm62> TwEeT: I just scrolled up....why not do it from gnome for each user?
[11:34] <TwEeT> I only have one user
[11:34] <djm62> as a "network place" with an icon and everything?
[11:34] <TwEeT> And I don't want to have to mount it EVERY boot up
[11:34] <fazer> pestilence, eh? what takes more than an hour?
[11:34] <crimsun> fazer: I think it helps to spell correctly :p
[11:34] <fazer> crimsun, Eh? What did I misspell?
[11:34] <pestilence> fazer: to properly assess whether you like the windows manager or not
[11:34] <mcphail> sagara: no pm please. I'd suggest addin a ' to the end of the file
[11:34] <fazer> pestilence, Oh =(
[11:34] <crimsun> fazer: E: Invalid operation intall   <--
[11:34] <saik0> anybody out there know of a goodGTK2 jukebox app?
[11:34] <delire> Kabuto it looks to me like you're also running the oss driver alongside the alsa snd-* drivers.. 'via82cxxx              13084  1 '
[11:35] <TwEeT> So its not possible?
[11:35] <sagara> mcphail: just a ' ?
[11:35] <fazer> crimsun, so, 'openbox' isn't spelled right?
[11:35] <delire> Kabuto: do you need that via controller?
[11:35] <delire> Kabuto: oh.. wait.. i got messed up.
[11:35] <djm62> TwEeT: you are free to change fstab, also gnome handles networked filesystems, including smb, well
[11:35] <mcphail> sagara: it's impossible to tell, but it sounds like your cut and paste has missed this out
[11:36] <fazer> damn, still, "Couldn't find package openbox
 is there an option in the GUI so I can mount it every bootup
[11:36] <fazer> okay, so, how do...uhm.. update my stuff?
[11:36] <TwEeT> if I could find out how to do it in the fstab, i would...
[11:36] <crimsun> fazer: openbox is in universe
[11:36] <TwEeT> But i seem to be having a problem with username and passwords
[11:36] <djm62> TwEeT: go to places->network servers and drag the icon onto your desktop?
[11:36] <TwEeT> and the way i stated above is the only successful way so far
[11:36] <crimsun> fazer: (from your first error message, you misspelled "install")
[11:36] <fazer> crimsun, so, what am I doing wrong?
[11:36] <nickrud> TwEeT: you could create a script rc.local in /etc/init.d, have the script mount it, and ln -s /etc/init.d/rc.local /etc/rc2.d/rc.local
[11:36] <fazer> crimsun, yeah, I Just realized that =(
[11:36] <delire> fazer "intall"? what's that
[11:36] <fazer> crimsun, i am a terrible typer when I am all excited.
[11:37] <djm62> nickrud:ah yeah
[11:37] <delire> hehe
[11:37] <fazer> delire, haha yeah, sorry.
[11:37] <crimsun> fazer: what does ,,apt-cache policy openbox'' return?
 that seems easy, ill do that
[11:37] <thoreauputic> delire: heh - w3m with images *is* rather, um, surprising - just tried it :)
[11:37] <fazer> crimsun, W: Unable to locate package openbox
[11:37] <jbmigel> hey does apt-get have some search switch so i can search packs from cammand line?
[11:37] <delire> Kabuto: all your asound stuff looks right. i would look at using alsaconf to check over things.
[11:37] <crimsun> fazer: so you need to enable the universe repository first, then update, then install openbox
[11:37] <TwEeT> btw, I love ubuntu
[11:37] <delire> thoreauputic: hehe great isn't it ;)
[11:37] <fazer> crimsun, oh, hmmm
[11:38] <crimsun> (there is no alsaconf in Ubuntu)
[11:38] <djm62> fazer: soon you will get jaded about gigabytes of software being automatically installed for free at your fingertips ;)
[11:38] <nickrud> jbmigel: apt-cache search should give you what you're looking fore
[11:38] <thoreauputic> jbmigel: apt-cache search <keyword>
[11:38] <fazer> djm62, I like thesound of that =)
[11:38] <guupsta> dude, where's my apt-get
[11:38] <crimsun> Kabuto: ok, looking
[11:38] <jbmigel> sweet thanks guys
[11:38] <fazer> djm62, but I think I should learn how to configure my wifi and then my sound, THEN i can play! =)
[11:38] <airhead> if I leave my hoary laptop for a cpl hours, will ubuntu try and put it into hibernate mode?
[11:38] <delire> crimsun: is there a modconf tool that might assist him setting up his card? i use debian so am in a bad position to inform.
[11:38] <crimsun> delire: I'm looking at his pastebin, sec
[11:38] <fazer> crimsun, will this command do it? (I am not in france, I had this url saved some place) deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:38] <fazer> hoary universe multiverse
 do i have to chmod +x the script?
[11:38] <sagara> mcphail: why is geedit bitching about an EOF on line 0, i mean i gedit u always start from line 1
[11:39] <sagara> *in gedit
[11:39] <thoreauputic> delire: I just can't uite work out how to get a google search happening... I need to RTFM I guess :0
[11:39] <crimsun> fazer: sure.
[11:39] <nickrud> TwEeT: but of course :)
[11:39] <crimsun> fazer: you could use Synaptic, too
[11:39] <TwEeT> but of course?
[11:39] <fazer> crimsun, oh oky.
[11:39] <TwEeT> do you mean "of course"
[11:39] <delire> TwEeT: if you want to execute as '>~script' yes
[11:39] <Kabuto> crimsun, okay
[11:40] <djm62> fazer: menu System->administration->Synaptic
[11:40] <airhead> does ubuntu try to use hibernate mode after a couple of hours?
[11:40] <delire> TwEeT: otherwise '>~./script' is fine or even 'sh script'
[11:40] <airhead> if the machine is unused
[11:40] <nickrud> TwEeT: californism, yes, +x :)
[11:40] <tbird> can you uninstall with Synaptic ?
 is there a way i can see if it works with out fully rebooting
[11:40] <DocUb> good question airhead
[11:40] <djm62> airhead: I'm not sure...it tells me the battery is low
[11:40] <fazer> djm62, already there, ...
[11:40] <airhead> cause my laptop keeps cutting out during the night
[11:40] <nickrud> sudo /etc/init.d/rc.local
[11:40] <airhead> battery is at 100%
[11:40] <airhead> ac plugged in
[11:41] <TwEeT> Saweet
[11:41] <fazer> djm62, so, i see a few software sources..
[11:41] <_phate_> airhead: I don't think hibernate works, the one time I did it it scewed up my hole install
[11:41] <airhead> was working fine before ubuntu
[11:41] <TwEeT> im going to try rebooting
[11:41] <TwEeT> thanks a lot nick
[11:41] <djm62> _phate_: that's to do with your machine&&ubuntu
[11:41] <airhead> if I try hibernate mode from the log out screen in gnome, I just get a screensaver
[11:41] <delire> airhead what acpi bios are you using? which laptop?
[11:41] <airhead> so perhaps thats not the problem
[11:41] <airhead> dell 5150
[11:42] <delire> airhead ok.. similar problems here with the AsusM6N
[11:42] <djm62> hibernate and suspend to ram works fine here on this hp...OOTB
[11:42] <delire> airhead: though mostly resolved.
[11:42] <airhead> delire: hmm.. interesting. what problems were you having?
[11:42] <fazer> djm62, so, how do i uhm. update them so I can install openbox?
[11:42] <delire> djm62: perhaps why the HP laptops are selling well with SuSE onboard.
[11:43] <ztonzy> delire, is there any menutool for openbox ?
[11:43] <fitheach> hi
[11:43] <djm62> delire: it isn't one of those ones...cheapest one I could find, just happens to work
[11:43] <delire> airhead: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state was being misreported. i needed to patch acpi support in the kernel to fix it.
[11:43] <delire> djm62: very happy with my M6N in all other respects.
[11:43] <airhead> delire: I see. was your machine randomly powering off too?
[11:44] <delire> airhead: hehe no..
[11:44] <airhead> delire: I also did have a problem the other day where state said there was no battery present O_o
[11:44] <airhead> can't replicate that though
[11:44] <crimsun> Kabuto: do you have a /proc/asound/.../codec97#0/ac97#0-0 ?
[11:44] <delire> airhead: if i were you i'd grep the debian-laptop-list for clues. nearly every issue ever encountered is therein
[11:44] <airhead> delire: cheers
[11:44] <Kabuto> let me see
[11:45] <mikeco> should i be using gcc 3.3 or 3.4?
[11:45] <crimsun> mikeco: for Hoary, the former
[11:45] <scott> hey guys, this is a bit off-topic, but anyone know of an especially stellar-looking resume template?
[11:45] <mikeco> ok
[11:45] <delire> scott: hmmm an odd question.
[11:45] <fazer> crimsun, so, I am not sure how to update my respository through Synaptic?
[11:45] <Kabuto> crimsun, cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
[11:46] <djm62> scott: not really...for openoffice?
[11:46] <crimsun> fazer: Settings>Repositories>Add
[11:46] <mikeco> is there a quick way to grab most things needed for dev on ubuntu?
[11:46] <crimsun> mikeco: build-essential is the base
[11:46] <Kabuto> crimsun, shall I paste it on pastebin
[11:46] <mikeco> thanks again
[11:46] <crimsun> Kabuto: yes, please.
[11:46] <scott> djm62: yeah, or if there's a great one for something else I'd be interested
[11:46] <marska> mldonkey doesn't work. I need filesharing.. Or I switch back to Windows.
[11:47] <scott> I'm a bit surprised OOo doesn't come with any
[11:47] <delire> marska xmule, amule don't suit you?
[11:47] <fazer> crimsun, ah okay, thanks.  So I guess this is going to take a while.
[11:47] <djm62> scott: it's one of the trade-offs of releasing the code...no clip art/templates
[11:47] <tombs> marska, what??
[11:47] <Kabuto> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/271793
[11:47] <crimsun> fazer: on dial-up?
[11:47] <marska> Delire: I need access to Gnutella. I can't seem to get anything to work.
[11:48] <djm62> scott: openclipart.org might have pointers
[11:48] <marska> Tombs: Can't get p2p apps to work in Ubuntu
[11:48] <crimsun> Kabuto: does _any_ sound work?
[11:48] <delire> marska: gtkgnutella ?
[11:48] <fazer> crimsun, no, cable, i am capped to 33 KB/sec though
[11:48] <FeJaOr> What's the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu??
[11:48] <marska> Delire: Yes.. That and mldonkey don't wish to work.
[11:48] <crimsun> fazer: ah, that's not too bad at all.
[11:48] <delire> marska: well then your blocking the ports somewhere i would say.
[11:48] <airhead> FeJaOr: kubuntu comes with kde, ubuntu comes with gnome
[11:48] <crimsun> FeJaOr: Kubuntu is a community project based on Ubuntu. It comes with KDE as its default desktop.
[11:48] <fazer> crimsun, yeah, its good, when I get an Ibook, i will porbably upgrade it =/
[11:48] <ryanblack> hey hi hello
[11:48] <fazer> ryanblack, forgot bonjour
[11:48] <Kabuto> crimsun, only the pc speaker
[11:48] <marska> Delire: Ah.. That can't be helped. But I do have a proxy up and running.
[11:48] <FeJaOr> and which one is better then??
[11:49] <tombs> marska, but thats not a reason to switch "back" to that OS
[11:49] <airhead> FeJaOr: ubuntu of course ;)
[11:49] <crimsun> FeJaOr: purely your preference
[11:49] <FeJaOr> how do you uninstall programs in Ubuntu??
[11:49] <marska> tombs: Me needs.. Lewd content.
[11:49] <ryanblack> ;-) I have used OS X - Win XP and SuSE linux, OS X being my main os on a powerbook... and it's refreshing to see ubuntu...
[11:49] <crimsun> Kabuto: have you tried killing any sound programs and using aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav to test?
[11:49] <djm62> scott: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=resume+cv+openoffice+template&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:unofficial
[11:49] <Kabuto> FeJaOr, apt-get remove program
[11:49] <nickrud> marska: the mldonkey in debian is currently broken.
[11:49] <marska> Nickrud: Oh..
[11:49] <FeJaOr> thanks
[11:50] <Kabuto> crimsun, nope
[11:50] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: might be an idea to install the OS before you start asking how to uninstall ;)
[11:50] <Kabuto> np
[11:50] <delire> ryanblack : pleased to hear..
[11:50] <mikeco> uh oh, is there no xcomposite xfixes xdamage or xrender?
[11:50] <crimsun> mikeco: for what?
[11:50] <FeJaOr> I already have the OS, but I using windows right now :P
[11:50] <marska> Alright.. I download GTK-Gnutella, how do I start it?
[11:51] <crimsun> marska: Applications>Internet>Gtk-Gnutella
[11:51] <mikeco> crimsun, i like xcomposite for flicker free desktop
[11:51] <fazer> delire, okay, i gues its installing openbox now.
[11:51] <mikeco> otherwise i get a headache
[11:51] <Kabuto> crimsun, what do you recomment
[11:51] <ryanblack> delire - I think I am going to use ubuntu now...
[11:51] <delire> mikeco that's all in x.org
[11:51] <abarbaccia> hey, anybody here use kubuntu instead of ubuntu and can tell me about it
[11:51] <Kabuto> recommend*
[11:51] <mjr> mikeco, that is one very nice thing about it
[11:51] <crimsun> mikeco: you have to explicitly configure xorg.conf to use the extension
[11:51] <ryanblack> one quick noobie question... can I easily dual boot and will it read ntfs...
[11:51] <marska> Crimsun: Its not there
[11:51] <delire> ryanblack: a wise choice. it's a solid little distro
[11:51] <mikeco> yeah in extensions
[11:51] <crimsun> abarbaccia: I'm on a Kubuntu live cd
[11:51] <marska> Crimsun: Just a "download manager"
[11:51] <mjr> and yea, composite is not on by default, since it's not considered production quality
[11:51] <JwC> Hi all.
[11:52] <_chavo> abarbaccia, I use kubuntu. What do you want to know?
[11:52] <crimsun> abarbaccia: for more questions, please try #kubuntu
[11:52] <mikeco> but apt-get said no package xcomposite
[11:52] <malarcky> ola
[11:52] <mikeco> and the pkgconfig file not found either
[11:52] <_chavo> It's ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome.
[11:52] <malarcky> alguien espaol ke me ayude con enemy territory?
[11:52] <marska> Crimsun: If the package dos not install to that directory, is something amiss?
[11:52] <crimsun> mikeco: it's already installed. You only need to enable the extension in xorg.conf
[11:52] <Kabuto> mikeco, to remove?
[11:52] <mikeco> unless it's in /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib
[11:52] <mjr> mikeco, why should there be a package named so?
[11:52] <delire> mikeco it's all in x.org see xorg.conf
[11:52] <crimsun> mikeco: are you trying to compile something that uses those extensions?
[11:53] <mikeco> crimsun i thought it was, maybe something is off with xcompmgr
[11:53] <mikeco> i have it in my xorg.conf
[11:53] <ryanblack> I can help you in english... I can understand spanish but my grammar isn't great writing / speaking
[11:53] <djm62> malarcky: goto #ubuntu-es for spanish speakers :)
[11:53] <JwC> I just upgraded from Warty to Hoary and suddenly, under X, my keyboard doesn't work anymore.  Mouse events work just fine and the keyboard works when I bring the system up as single user, but I can't type when the X server is running.  Does anyone have any ideas about this?
[11:53] <ryanblack> aye there's a room
[11:53] <ryanblack> ;-)
[11:53] <delire> fazer did you manage to install it?
[11:53] <mikeco> crimsun, yes, xcompmgr and transset
[11:53] <fazer> delire, i used synpatic to do so.
[11:53] <fazer> delire, now, how do I use it?
[11:53] <delire> fazer: what is your current window manager?
[11:53] <crimsun> marska: hmm, are you using Ubuntu Hoary?
[11:53] <ryanblack> So could someone tell me if ubuntu mounts ntfs... and can I dual boot easily...
[11:53] <ryanblack> ?
[11:53] <fazer> delire, gnome =/
[11:53] <marska> Crimsun: Okay.. I go to /usr/bin and find the GTk-Gnuttella file, all it does is flash my screen for a second.
[11:53] <mjc> ryanblack, yep
[11:53] <Kabuto> crimsun, what do you suggest I do?
[11:53] <marska> Crimsun: No. Warty
[11:53] <fazer> delire, how do I use it though?
[11:54] <delire> fazer: 'killall metacity && openbox'
[11:54] <thoreauputic> ryanblack: yes and yes
[11:54] <malarcky> ola, alguien me puede yudar con enem territory?
[11:54] <marska> Crimsun: Can I upgrade Warty to Hoary?
[11:54] <ryanblack> yea to both huh.. great I'll install it tonight..
[11:54] <ryanblack> woohoo
[11:54] <delire> fazer: b00m!
[11:54] <crimsun> marska: that's why. I didn't fix it for Warty; you'll have to execute it. Yes, you can.
[11:54] <fazer> delire, okay haha doing so now.
[11:54] <marska> Crimsun: how?
[11:54] <ryanblack> now the only thing I'd like is if it'll work with my ati card and my wifi card
[11:54] <crimsun> marska: search the wiki for instructions :)
[11:54] <FeJaOr> Ok...basic concepts....what it's warty and what is hoary??
[11:54] <crimsun> FeJaOr: answered on the Ubuntu web site.
[11:54] <thoreauputic> ryanblack: ntfs >> read-only
[11:54] <Agrajag> warty is obsolete
[11:54] <ryanblack> the only troubles I have had with various distros is getting 3d acceleration and wifi
[11:55] <marska> Thanks Crimsun
[11:55] <delire> ryanblack : not sure about the wifi, had no problems on 10 eMacs i installed recently
[11:55] <Agrajag> hoary is the version released last week
[11:55] <ryanblack> yea most are that way including os x
[11:55] <crimsun> mikeco: you're trying to compile those?
[11:55] <fazer> delire, yeah, so I still see the window flicker when I move it across =(
[11:55] <ryanblack> (ntfs - wise)
[11:55] <mikeco> yes
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: not here it isn't - warty works fine
[11:55] <delire> ryanblack 3D accelleration should work out of the box.
[11:55] <FeJaOr> do you have the exact link??
[11:55] <mikeco> and it's spitting out errors about pkg-config
[11:55] <ryanblack> with an ati card..
[11:55] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: just because it works doesn't make it not obsolete
[11:55] <ryanblack> ?
[11:55] <crimsun> Kabuto: have you tried that suggestion with aplay?
[11:55] <mikeco> ryanblack, ati accel is easy with the binary drivers
[11:55] <djm62> malarcky: ve a #ubuntu-es para ayuda en espanol ;)
[11:55] <ryanblack> I have gotten nvidia gf4s to work with all kinda linux distros but not much luck with ati..
[11:55] <Agrajag> windows 98 still works
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: warty will be obsolete when support ceases in a year's time :)
[11:55] <mikeco> i'm using an ati 9800
[11:55] <delire> anyone here know why fazer might be having 'flicker' while dragging windows around on his desktop?
[11:55] <Agrajag> well whatever
[11:56] <Agrajag> hoary is current stable
[11:56] <ryanblack> great! I have an ati aiw 9800 pro
[11:56] <JwC> Windows98 never worked.
[11:56] <delire> fazer nope sigh oh well ;)
[11:56] <crimsun> fazer: which video driver are you using?
[11:56] <mikeco> ryan, that's what mine is
[11:56] <ryanblack> thanks mikeco..
[11:56] <Kabuto> crimsun, sorry, ogg works
[11:56] <fazer> crimsun, Video magic, shoud I do an lspci for you?
[11:56] <Kabuto> but no pcm I think
[11:56] <crimsun> Kabuto: so sound _does_ work?
[11:56] <crimsun> fazer: yes please, and paste onto pastebin.com
[11:56] <ryanblack> well now if I can get it working with or without a wrapper... netgear 54g pci card
[11:56] <mikeco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:56] <ryanblack> I'd be all set
[11:56] <fazer> crimsun, alright, let me log out and log back in, want to test something.
[11:56] <Kabuto> crimsun, apparently, but mixer can't be loaded
[11:57] <ryanblack> I'll book mark that on my pb
[11:57] <Mr-Petah> hi all
[11:57] <crimsun> Kabuto: which mixer? alsamixer? amixer?
[11:57] <mikeco> however video in doesn't work on ati binayr drivers
[11:57] <mikeco> binary
[11:57] <ryanblack> I am not sure what you mean by video..
[11:57] <mikeco> but the gatos project does support the tv tuner and rca in
[11:57] <delire> mikeco you run a powerbook?
[11:58] <mikeco> delire, not for my ati aiw
[11:58] <ryanblack> ah sweet
[11:58] <mikeco> but i have a powerbook, yes
[11:58] <jbmigel> mikeco do you know if gatos supports radeon yet?
[11:58] <djm62> time to consumpt alkeyhol: laters
[11:58] <ryanblack> so maybe I could get mythtv
[11:58] <mikeco> gatos has supported radeon since about, eh 7200 or below
[11:58] <Kabuto> crimsun, in the gnome menu when I click on multimedia and sound control, it says no mixer is loaded
[11:58] <Kabuto> so I don't know which
[11:59] <crimsun> Kabuto: but you can load alsamixer in a terminal, correct?
[11:59] <mikeco> delire, there are not binary drivers from ati for linux on ppc
[11:59] <ryanblack> well if I can get 3d accel to work, wifi, and read my ntfs partition I think I have a winner
[11:59] <Kabuto> crimsun, yes, and everything is boosted
[11:59] <mikeco> you have to use the opensourced drivers
[11:59] <ryanblack> :-D
[11:59] <mikeco> ryanblack, why should those be connected?