[12:01] <_Uzul_> the -s option is for a dry run [12:02] i am on sarge now. any reasons to upgrade ? === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:02] Uzul, thanks, I'd just checked the man pages also for that :D [12:03] <_Uzul_> normaly an "upgrade" does the job. a "dist-upgrade" is only needed when upgrading a package would mean to install new packages or to deinstall packages [12:03] ok [12:03] if i have ubuntu installed can i just apt-get install kde-desktop ? [12:03] <_Uzul_> so it's a security thing... :) [12:03] a deb file for qt designer ? [12:04] <_Uzul_> and in distros like normal debian unstable it's a very good thing :) [12:04] and if I have kubuntu installed, can I just install gnome (apt-get install gnome)? [12:05] <_Uzul_> there are meta-packages for both... i don't know the right names ... [12:05] qt desginer [12:05] designer [12:05] .. [12:05] how to install [12:05] where could one find these 'metanames'? [12:05] on the pages of whatever I want to install [12:05] or is there a list somewhere? [12:06] <_Uzul_> kubuntero: apt-get install qt-designer === smouche [~bc@cpe-24-90-94-112.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:06] _Uzul_ [12:06] <_Uzul_> you could search it with: apt-cache search kde desktop [12:06] abarbaccia - kubuntu-desktop or something like that [12:06] qt -designer not found [12:07] <_Uzul_> ah sorry, its at3-designer [12:07] <_Uzul_> qt3-designer [12:08] <_Uzul_> i love apt... === _willie1 [~willie1@h-67-100-206-27.cmbrmaor.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:08] <_Uzul_> really neat === markuman [~markuman@pD9518830.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:08] yea [12:08] could someone tell me how could i get konqueror plugins in firefox , ist this possible ? === sorin [~sorin@24-196-233-44.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:09] hi [12:09] I'm trying to install some packages, but it is asking for the CD labeled [12:09] <_Uzul_> which konqueror plugins? [12:09] Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) [12:09] _Uzul_: web plugins flash, kaffeine ..etc [12:10] But the cd is labeled "Kubuntu 5.04 i386". === thoreauputic_ [~debianarc@wolax8-039.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [12:10] How do I fix this? [12:10] <_Uzul_> apt-get install mozilla-kaffeine [12:10] err... put in the cd you have? [12:10] does that not work sorin? === klein [~klein@ip68-10-229-21.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === thoreauputic_ is now known as thoreauputic [12:11] this is what i'm saying [12:11] it does not [12:11] <_Uzul_> + the flash plugin can be downloaded within firefox when you enter a site with flash technology [12:11] it wants that specific label [12:11] which is weird since that is the cd it was installed from [12:11] Interesting. If the problem keeps up, comment out the cd in /etc/apt/sources.list [12:12] you'll have to download all the packages then, but at least it works. [12:12] uzul [12:12] qt3 dont show in menu [12:12] _Uzul_: thx man :-) [12:13] <_Uzul_> no problem, all for the community ;)) [12:13] _Uzul_: yep [12:13] _Uzul_ [12:14] Heh, when did the auto flash install with ff get imped? I noticed that a week or so ago when I used a flash site. [12:14] <_Uzul_> kubuntero: try finding the binary in the console... [12:14] how. [12:14] <_Uzul_> $ which [12:15] <_Uzul_> i dont now the exact name of the qt3-designer binary [12:15] sorin, I had exactly the same problem a couple installs ago; drove me crazy -- sorry I don't have a solution for you! [12:16] except, sorin, other tan what narg said -- [12:16] <_Uzul_> narg: dont now. but i noticed it already some time ago [12:17] hmm Konqueror is little bit faster then firefox [12:17] nod. [12:17] uzul [12:17] narg, sorin, what if one just changed the name of the cd in /etc/apt/sources.list to the name that install is asking for? [12:17] qt3 [12:17] not show [12:17] :( [12:17] I dislike konqs UI. [12:17] <_Uzul_> kubuntu: try [12:17] smouche: Good idea. Cds bother me, so I commented it out, but its good for dialup. [12:17] <_Uzul_> $ dpkg -L qt3-designer [12:18] <_Uzul_> and check all the paths for something that looks like the binary [12:18] I prefer firefox in general, but one little detail I prefer in konq -- I like to click in the tab bar space to open new tabs... [12:18] Get an extension for that smouche. [12:18] firefox really crowds the close button eventually, makes it annoying [12:18] /usr/share/qt3 [12:18] I've seen like 3 on offical list. [12:19] kde is much faster then gnome here ... [12:19] but konqueror always allows room for easy clicking in that space to the left of the close button [12:19] <_Uzul_> kubuntero: no, more something like /usr/bin/qt3xxx [12:19] Yea, I have to agree, the tab bleed/overflow with lots of tabs is painful. [12:19] narg -- don't need an extension -- that' s default in firefox now, but not as well implemented as in konq -- [12:19] <_Uzul_> or /usr/local/bin/qt3xx [12:19] but like I said, very minor thing [12:20] nod [12:20] /usr/bin/designer-qt3 [12:20] ?? [12:20] I just wish firefox wasnt entangled with Gtk+. [12:20] <_Uzul_> sounds right. [12:20] <_Uzul_> just execute that on console [12:20] its synaptic so ugly by you too ? [12:21] <_Uzul_> if qt-designer pops up you got the right one === cosmobot [~zic@ts3-a172.Voronezh.dial.rol.ru] has joined #kubuntu [12:21] firefox loads painfully slowly; I know there's something in about:config to speed that up, but I forgot what... [12:21] cure: You asking me? [12:21] narg: all of you [12:21] I did a prelink, and it load faster than konq now :p [12:21] <_Uzul_> smouche: you can play around with prelink [12:21] Well, I wouldn't say ugly, but gtk+ and qt dont mix well. [12:22] that's it! thanks _Uzul_ ... [12:22] One or other are nice, but both is nasty at times. [12:22] yes but firefox -->gtk app look nice with kde [12:22] nicer the by gnome :-) [12:23] <_Uzul_> only thing about prelinking is that you have to keep it up to date. [12:23] firefox looks great on my kubuntu... [12:23] <_Uzul_> otherwise the system will go slower as ever before ;) === ztonzy [~ztonzy@c-3446e055.560-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu [12:23] firefox has plenty of themes/skins - some of them are quite KDE-friendly [12:23] opera's fast, but ugly on kde... === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [12:24] fonts look awful in opera for some reason.. [12:24] <_Uzul_> kubuntero: got it? [12:24] smouche: which is funny since it uses QT :) [12:24] one more question how do i make the apps on my panel transparency? === tunaaaa [~tunaaaa@201009180092.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [12:25] no [12:25] :( [12:25] so its only show the names of apps [12:25] <_Uzul_> wait.. [12:26] cure, I hope someone has an idea for that, 'cause I'd like to do that too -- I don't know if it's possible to suppress the icons and replace with text in the panels... [12:26] I believe you can in the kicker prefs. It would be name only or somesuch. === kakalto [~kakalto@wired-210-54-56-138.ps.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu [12:27] what I'd really like to have is transparent panel-hiding buttons... [12:27] hey smouche :) Wassup ma man? [12:27] panel-hiding buttons? [12:27] maybe narg-- but I thinks that may only be for desktop names-- I'll look [12:27] i saw thin on a screenshot so it must be possible [12:27] hey brother kkathman! [12:27] like beginning qt3 - designer? [12:27] gettin ready for a big computer weekend here :) [12:28] Heh, I cant wait till I get my new graphics card. My integrated crap one is so slow with transparency. [12:28] <_Uzul_> kubuntero: sorry, no clue, cant install it on this machine... [12:29] <_Uzul_> ok: to issues from me... on this machine the nvidia driver issnt workig [12:29] <_Uzul_> and i made the root-account available, also in KDE but i cant authenticate as root in kde [12:30] hrm... did kubuntu-desktop metadependancies change in breezy? I dist-upgraded, and it decided to install OO.o :p [12:30] me too kkathman -- if my firm resolve holds , er, firm... ;-) [12:30] <_Uzul_> isn't OOo in the kubuntu-desktop anyway? [12:31] Hrm, didnt autoinstall before. [12:31] <_Uzul_> hoary got it on CD ... [12:31] <_Uzul_> and installed it [12:32] <_Uzul_> but i'm more intrested in openoffice.org2 ... but the damn packages have gone... [12:32] kkathman, I may start out by printing out reams of transcripts of your configuration conversations on here! Trial and error -- more of your trials, fewer of my errors... [12:32] smouche: Well im going to pull one of the hard drives out of my wife's computer (its a 120GB drive) which will leave her with a 40gb. Im going to put that in my main Linux box, and remove the 40 gb thats there and move that to another computer I have...a P3-450 Dell. Then install Linux on that Dell [12:32] <_Uzul_> ah.. theyre back again.. [12:33] tolerant better half you got there, kkathman! [12:33] she approves your plan, I presume! [12:33] smouche: She hardly needs 160GB on that computer...that was my old box I had. She justs uses that one to pay bills and surf the internet :) [12:33] 40GB is probably over kill :) [12:35] I know what you mean. Me, I'm a hard drive obsessive - compulsive... [12:35] Ive never "decommissioned" a drive in Windows before tho..so I will have to feel my way through it === gdh kisses software RAID5 =) Big, cheap, reliable :) [12:35] <_Uzul_> softRAID with ubuntu? === smouche would like to try a RAID setup sometime... [12:36] I think all I have to do is just make sure that there isnt anything installed on it..then just remove it and reboot [12:36] uzul [12:36] thanks [12:36] man [12:36] qt3 workink now [12:36] <_Uzul_> ah, ok.. so youre lucky ;) [12:36] _Uzul_: I used Debian but the same tools are available in Ubu [12:37] <_Uzul_> now you have to put it into the menu... :) [12:37] <_Uzul_> i never had the time to take the risk .. :) [12:37] <_Uzul_> but will try it sometime on setting up ubuntu [12:38] _Uzul_: I confess I bought an extra 200G disk so I could have a 'real' single-disk backup of all my data in case I managed to destroy the RAID :) [12:38] nicely everything worked exactly as planned [12:39] <_Uzul_> good to hear [12:39] <_Uzul_> so my data will be safe :) [12:39] _Uzul_: You dont like working the trapeeze without a net eh? [12:39] the process for using mkraid to add a new disk to an existing setup is utterly terrifying :) [12:40] <_Uzul_> so you did it after installing? [12:40] <_Uzul_> i thought about using the setup option [12:40] _Uzul_: Of course. I'm not doing RAID1 on bootup or any crap like that. [12:40] I'lll just 'dd' my rootfs every night - it changes so little it's barely worth a live RAID1 === smouche changes his mind about wanting to try a RAID setup some time... === RickA [~chatzilla@bubbl.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [12:41] smouche: I canunderstand. the RAID HOWTO tells you to use 'mkraid -R' meaning 'Really Force' and it gives you a terror-inducig message 'CONTENTS OF /DEV/MD0 WILL BE DESTROYED IN FIVE SECONDS!!!!!' [12:42] <_Uzul_> anybody got a hint on intresting VoIP-packages? [12:42] smouche: But in fact as long as you have the source disk listed first in /etc/raidtab [12:42] smouche: then it will actually use that disk as the source to mirror to other drives in the array. [12:42] smouche: open source at its finest :||||| [12:43] you can see why I wanted a real normal ext3 disk to have a copy of data on. [12:43] gdh, not for the faint of heart. I drink too much red bull and smoke too many cigs for that stuff! [12:43] does anyone here use an ATI card with Ubuntu? [12:43] Feh :) [12:44] <_Uzul_> jup, got one in my laptop [12:44] <_Uzul_> R200 i think [12:44] hmm, not sure if that will help [12:44] I just tried to install them [12:44] now I can't get into Xorg anymore [12:44] x800xt [12:45] <_Uzul_> hum... on the laptop it worked smoothly [12:45] <_Uzul_> maybe you have to comment out some settings in xorg.conf? [12:46] RickA-- I have ati aiw on my other box; it works basically, but I haven't tried anything like 3d with it, so I don't know how good it really is... [12:46] <_Uzul_> nvidia needs some of these extras... [12:46] I have no idea which settings [12:46] hello - back [12:46] I've replace 'ati' with fglrx, but apart from that [12:46] smouche: too bad, I really need the 3d [12:47] <_Uzul_> i just heard many times about problems with fglrx... [12:47] ricka - load "glx" [12:47] I'm not saying it doesn't work, RickA -- I just haven't tried it yet [12:47] also load "dir" [12:47] can I somehow uninstall the drivers [12:47] *dri [12:47] also, use glxgears to test 3d (opengl) [12:47] supercatfrog: that's assuming the drivers are already doing 2d isn't it? === kubuntero is now known as _kubuntero_ === pior [~pior@82.230.151.18] has joined #kubuntu [12:48] yeah, I used that, and ran glxinfo to see what vendor string it returns [12:48] if correctly returned ATI as vendor, but performance was terrible [12:48] *it [12:48] <_Uzul_> ricka: you just have to put in ati in instead of fgrlx in xorg.conf [12:48] hmm, ok [12:48] I'll give that a go [12:48] be right back [12:48] <_Uzul_> then it uses the standard ati driver... [12:49] k [12:49] brb === kakalto [~kakalto@wired-210-54-56-138.ps.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu [12:49] kkathman, on the drive you're installing in your linux box-- are you gonna give it all to kubuntu, or leave partitions for other os's? [12:50] <_Uzul_> brb === _Uzul_ is now known as _Uzul_|away === smouche notes it took weeks in irc before he realized that brb is "be right back". thought it was an "emoti-belch"... === ricka [~ricka@bubbl.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [12:52] well, that worked [12:52] back in kubuntu now [12:52] now what to try to get the driver working [12:52] any ideas? [12:53] supercatfrog: you mentioned load: glx i believe? [12:53] would that help with 2d? [12:53] anybody tried to use kmplot? [12:54] I'd say, there's something wrong :) [12:54] ricka - no, i dont think so. i didn't read your question - what was being said looked like what i said, needed to be said [12:55] ah [12:56] did you understand what i just said? i read it back and didn't actually understand it myself (fortunately i knew what i meant) [12:56] you said it [12:57] oops === blenderhead [~blenderhe@adsl-218-252-60.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:57] heh, SuperCatFrog, I wanted to thank you for the tip you gave me the other day === boots [~boots@HSE-Montreal-ppp127391.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu [12:57] about keyboard shortcuts for volume control -- excellent! [12:58] damn fine jukebox I got here now [12:58] smouche - s'ok [12:59] does anybody know where i can get a .deb (or point to a repo) for kdebindings-3.4? ive googled, ive tried to compile (failed, parse error), ive harrassed everybody on irc, ive googled, etc === AnonyMouse70 [~chatzilla@24-55-244-236.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:00] smouche - which media player do you use? [01:01] SuperCatFrog: not in universe? [01:01] kail_ - nope, not as far as i can tell (or multiverse) [01:01] or breezy's multi/universe [01:01] multiverse is non-free [01:02] so it shouldn't be there [01:02] hi. maybe not the right place to ask but... under KDE, how do I get gnome/gtk apps to observe my gnome themes instead of using the standard GTK ugliness? Under Gnome, KDE apps look like KDE apps and I want the same for my Gnome apps under KDE. [01:02] SuperCatFrog, I like beep [01:02] o rite, so whats restricted then? === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has left #kubuntu ["Lmnar"] [01:02] restricted is "nonfree kernel modules" [01:02] boots: gtk-qt-engine [01:02] smouche - beep? *ganders* [01:02] but I like kaffeine too - unfortunately, kaffeine is over-stimulating, shall we say, to my cpu [01:02] insanekane: thanks, I will try it out [01:02] kaffeine is like majorly buggy I think [01:02] seperated, because you might even need them, if you can avoid nonfree apps... [01:03] kkathman: kaffeine works very well for me [01:03] i think there's something wrong with my apt-get - lots of stuff seems to be missing, such as gtk-qt-engine [01:03] beep-media-player -- gotta get a new skin for it though, it's got this ugly ipodish thing happening... [01:03] and probably kdebindings [01:03] SuperCatFrog: apt-get update? [01:03] insanekane: well, ok, try stopping it, and then check your CPU [01:03] heh heh, good point kkathman... [01:03] kkathman: havent looked at CPU levels [01:03] gtk-qt is "gtk2-engine-gtk-qt" afair [01:04] SuperCat: Check sources.list? :) [01:04] kail_ - i had a bad line in sources.list actually [01:04] KaiL_: u mean "engines" [01:04] insanekane: yep, once you run it, and stop it...it doesnt stop..and pegs the CPU [01:04] kkathman: yeah ur right .. i have noticed that [01:04] insanekane: ah ok [01:04] close :) [01:04] yeah you have to kill the process :) [01:04] KaiL_: :) [01:04] yeah, gtk2-eninges-gtk-qt -- but that's not exactly what I meant... [01:05] kkathman - mplayer in firefox did the same thing to me, even worse! when I played that file from your site last night [01:05] I couldn't kill it at all! [01:05] amarok does NOT do that tho [01:05] I want my gnome apps to observe gnome themes under KDE just like KDE apps observe KDE themes under gnome [01:05] at least on my system it doesnt [01:05] boots: oh right ... that doesnt exist atm [01:06] i gotta figure out this mplayer problem, otherwise I can't listen to stuff with it before going to bed... ;-) [01:06] insanekane: fair enough, thanks. I will use the gtk/qt cloaking, I suppose [01:06] imho gtkqt looks really good [01:06] should i have hoary and breezy in the same sources.list file? [01:06] KaiL_: yes !!! it does !!! [01:06] KaiL_: I just want an app to always look the same no matter where it is run [01:07] esp as it ships with a tool, which also syncs font settings [01:07] SuperCatFrog: I wouldnt think so..unles you are particularly fastidious about watching versions of things [01:07] so the kde theme settings are valid for ALL apps [01:07] boots, I'm with you on that... [01:08] I don't need everything to look monolithically themed [01:08] now an icon theme for firefox would close the last hole [01:08] (as long as the fonts don't get wrecked that is) [01:08] KaiL_: but when switching desktops, a Gnome app should still look like a Gnome app as far as I'm concerned. Its okay, some theming ala KDE is better than just the default GTK :) === klein [~klein@ip68-10-229-21.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:09] hmm - im gettings this: Package kdebindings is not available, but is referred to by another package. [01:09] This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [01:10] is only available from another source [01:11] ahhh yes that message SuperCatFrog ...seen that [01:12] ive seen it too, i'd like to replace it with "installing kdebindings-3.4.0" or similar [01:12] haha [01:12] SuperCatFrog: what happens when you try to install, without breezy being in your sources.list? Remove the breezy reference, do an apt-get update and try that :) [01:13] kkathman - ive removed all references to breezy - i'l post my sources.list on rafb [01:13] SuperCatFrog: if it comes back as "kdebindings already at its current level" then you know whats going on [01:13] hrm, can you bg apt-get to pause it and free bandwidth temporarly? [01:13] hmm [01:14] ctrl-z should do that [01:14] why not just send it to the background period? [01:14] I know how to do it, Im wondering if it would mess with it :p [01:14] http://rafb.net/paste/results/EeVxwM51.txt [01:16] SuperCatFrog: looks ok to me, except you dont have the two top lines uncommented..but that shouldnt be a prob [01:17] can somebody else try apt-get install kdebindings and see what happens? [01:18] SuperCatFrog: what does the kdebindings supposed to do [01:18] Package kdebindings is not available, but is referred to by another package...... etc. === exciton [~exciton@user-38lc4f9.dialup.mindspring.com] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:18] hmmm [01:19] kkathman - provides stuff like the qt bindings for ruby [01:19] oh oh -- I was just looking for a file in synaptic, and I got this alarming error: [01:19] W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.aarnet.edu.au_pub_java-linux_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [01:19] gosh, important things then :) [01:20] ive been trying to learn ruby (ive got to the point where i'd like to have a first stab at qt with ruby) [01:20] What's "W", and what's "stat" ? [01:20] but ive spent all day trying to get kdebindings installed [01:20] just do python like all the cool kids seem to =) [01:20] but argh! [01:20] i wanna use ruby! [01:21] hehhe 2 1337 :) === _P_ [~princoscr@host-84-220-130-120.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [01:21] and can I fix things with just an edit in sources.list, or does that error indicate that I may have some garbage on my system from failed install? [01:22] smouche: just edit your sources.list - one repository is (now) incorrect === pjw [~pjw@c33-124.icpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [01:23] SuperCatFrog: Have you checked on line in the KDE forums about kdebindings? [01:23] thanks gdh -- heh heh, I'm apt to panic over nothing, ain't I? [01:23] kkathman - no, i'l look [01:23] "apt to panic" heh heh ... man it's been a loooooong week... [01:23] LOL [01:23] It's fun with pun =) [01:24] my brain circuitry is not firing on all synaptics... [01:25] Oh stop it, you're k-illing me :) [01:26] apply kpr to gdh, kwik! [01:26] .... and so on =) [01:26] ad nauseum... [01:26] ;-) [01:29] nothing in the kde forums [01:31] SuperCatFrog: oh well it was a suggestion [01:32] Well.. im off to bed [01:32] so night to all when you go === iceaxe18 [~iceaxe18@c-24-18-105-137.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:34] SuperCatFrog: I just did a couple of searches in other resources and nothing on the errors you are getting ..sorry bout that :( [01:35] its ok, thanks anyway [01:36] Hey SuperCatFrog remember earlier we were talking about Wine vs CrossOver Office? [01:36] yes [01:37] SuperCatFrog: what do you think the big difference between the two is? [01:37] SuperCatFrog: Im testing some understanding that I have from reading. [01:38] from my understanding: [01:39] wine is the opensource one, crossover is propriatry (although iirc it gives its patches back to wine a while after it has them itself). its unlikely to give back direct3d (again, iirc). also wine doesn't work around copy protection [01:39] i'd recommend to try wine first [01:39] if that does'nt work you _might_ want to consider getting a commercial wine (cadega or crossover) [01:39] well I have "heard" that Dreamweaver MX and Photoshop 7 wont run in WINE, but WILL in CrossOver Office [01:40] ah, just remembered, before i was thinking of cadega, not crossover. afaik crossover specialises i noffice software like dreamweaver [01:40] but again, try wine first [01:40] ok [01:40] SuperCatFrog: Ok thank for your input, I appreciate it :) [01:40] kkathman: You heard wrong. [01:41] kkathman: DWMX2004 won't run in anything I tried. Pshop 7 works fine in normal Wine [01:41] If I'm wrong, I would be very happy to be corrected :) === wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:42] gdh: Ok thanks very much for that [01:42] hm, in amarok is a settings entry "configure effects", but that's disabled... [01:42] why? [01:42] gdh - guess I'll have to stick with Quanta eh? === maciejka [~maciejka@dou107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [01:43] kkathman: or VMWare, or qemu, or bochs :) === wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:43] wine is 'good' but still has a long way to go [01:43] gdh - are those other IDEs? [01:44] no, they're whole-PC emulators. i.e. they provide a PC BIOS / CGI / memory /network card etc. === iceaxe18 [~iceaxe18@c-24-18-105-137.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:45] kkathman: so you instlal windows on them exactly as you would a real PC... [01:45] kkathman: An easy way to run Windows software without having to dual-boot or have a dedicated Windows machine [01:45] kkathman - the effects only work with crapy arts [01:45] brb [01:45] kkathman: s/CGI/VGA/ [01:46] ahh ok [01:46] well [01:46] web prgramming in the brain... [01:46] the only thing killing me really is not being able to use Photoshop and Flash [01:46] well SWISHmax [01:46] Flash is a waste of time unless you're creating 'funny Flash animations' [01:47] haha [01:47] Flash should be punishable by stoning if you're using it on a serious website [01:47] gdh why?? Its almost expected now by most of my clients [01:47] some dont want it...but they want that pizazz appeal :) [01:48] I use SWISHmax...much cheaper anyway...and it MIGHT runn under WIne [01:48] kkathman: A very sad state of affairs. There are a large proportion of people who can't view flash content, either through personal choice, fucked-up windows config, or enterprise configuration (no admin prilvegees to install the plugin) [01:49] gdh - agreed...and I ALWAYS counsel my clients against it for that reason :) [01:49] or people on non-Windows for whom the flash plugin is either unavailable (can you say 'disability' or 'blind' ?) [01:49] throw anti-accessibility legislation at them, threats of legal action [01:49] gdh: yep agree again [01:50] they'll soon kick that 'pazazz' into shape - fucking retards =) [01:50] haha [01:50] I much prefer just plain HTML, some PHP/MySQL and LOTS of CSS === _wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:50] ohyz :) [01:51] ohyz??? === kkathman checks his international acronym dictionary [01:51] Oh Yes :) [01:51] IRC has corrupted me === _wirwzd is now known as wirwzd [01:52] hehe [01:52] thats ok [01:52] standards standards....and NOT Microsoft !! [01:52] just because you own the world doesnt mean you can blatently break the rules over and over (unless you are M$) [01:53] especially the whole XHTML debacle [01:53] tag soup et al [01:53] Active-X is the worst thing.....only MS Registry is worse [01:54] Registry is evil... [01:54] yay, 3 or 4 files determining the health of your whole frickin installation [01:54] I HATE the registry ...that in itself is enough to get me to give up M$ === kubuntero [~kubuntero@200.48.97.113] has joined #kubuntu [01:56] I've actually seen multiple posts that suggests that linux adopts a registery similar to window's one ;/ [01:57] 0_0 [01:57] LOL only on shit like zdnet I guess [01:57] (sponsored by MS of course) [01:57] I swear I think that some MS people were sitting around one day saying...Hey I wonder what we could do to make our operating system completely unable to be upgraded ? Oh lets build this registry where we put all the secret codes of the world..nobody can figure it out and thus everyone HAS to stay with us forever :) [01:57] heh, it was on /. actually :p [01:57] narg: LOL even worse :) [01:57] full of clueless, fuckwits, trolls and retards [01:58] yes, when I'm inclined to complain about confusing (for newbies anyway) configuration in linux, and confusing directory structure, I recall the concentrated evil confusion when faces with the registry... [01:58] "faced with" [01:59] smouche: Yes a good idea would be to create something so completely complex that NO one would DARE try to figure it out, and just learn to live with it [01:59] and its supposed to be a nice easy graphical app... :/ [01:59] Voilla- the registry! [01:59] yum, and consultancy fees would rocket for us all =) [02:00] nobody can figure it out except the ad-infestors who manage to sneak anything they want in there, without a squeek of protest from the os... [02:00] my head is starting to hurt [02:00] I see the moz foundation have areleased a patch for Firefocks to stop popups from Flash and Java plugins =) [02:00] kkathman, I think you're on to something there; could be a plan for facing an inscrutable universe, actually... ;-) [02:01] thereby thwarting the current hole [02:01] smouche: its all a part of the continuall plan in the universe to drive you completely out of your mind [02:01] the Tao of hopelessly coping with a Windows universe...;-) [02:02] smouche: However I have learned a VALUABLE point....I do not suffer from insanity...I enjoy it. [02:02] and of course, when one window closes -- look on the bright side, another always pops up! [02:02] the circle of life === Cellar|bbl passes out [02:02] lol kkathman, that's it, go with the flow! [02:02] continual rebirth, it's quite miraculous =) [02:03] unless you have good pop-up blocking... [02:04] at least salmon have the good sense to spawn, and die... unlike many a windows process I know, or, alas kaffeine !!! darn it! [02:04] LOL [02:05] Spawn, and die! Let new life hog the CPU! [02:05] I don't think I actually like any of the KDE media players [02:05] esp amarok [02:06] play mp3s and piss off, damnit [02:06] , me neither, gdh... well, beep is functional... [02:06] I don't want a frickin 'media library' [02:06] lol, gdh -- ! [02:06] I don't want "KTunes" [02:06] My media library *IS* my filesystem [02:07] already sorted the way *I* want [02:07] hah hah! Every time people extravagantly praise amarok on here, I think -- do they realize how obnoxiously window's media player -like this business is [02:07] this "hey, let me organize your folders for you" crap! [02:08] and beyond that, this KDE app doesn't even use KDE KIOSlaves for reading [02:08] gdh, stop, you're reading my mind, and it might give you dyslexia...! [02:08] which means I can't even add smb://eddie/mp3 as my base URL [02:08] I have to mount via smbfs to /mnt/mp3 or similar [02:09] how *fucking* *stupid* is that for a KDE 'mega app' not to support such a criticial feature of KDE? [02:10] I've heard an app called Muine is nice, but it requires mono... [02:10] or if it does work, I have to wait for it to copy down each file to a temporary file. For a 3MB single track, that's a bit annoying... for a 60MB single-track-album, that's a bloody joke [02:10] I tried to install mono, got no where, couldn't run any of the apps [02:11] gdh, at least that doesn't happen with kaffeine, it loads off my LAN quite fast... [02:11] device: /dev/snd/pcmC1D1p can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) [02:12] ...what is wrong there...?!? [02:12] anyway, beep works great with streamtuner, so I'm happy. [02:12] yes beep is my player of choice [02:12] artsd (and also amarok) cry, that the file doesn't exist [02:12] but it does..?!?!?!?!? [02:12] smouche: I even have the Winamp skin for it :) [02:13] heh heh, gdh, I'm browsing skins as we speak ;-) [02:13] noone an idea? [02:13] actually, I wonder if I can "de-skin" beep completely...? [02:14] the default skin which comes with Debian is frightful [02:14] KaiL_: No, sorry :/ [02:15]