| mjc | I'm playing with serel also | 12:01 |
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| |QuaD- | tseng: cool :) | 12:04 |
| tseng | DV commited a inotify patch, its supposed to pass the regression tests now | 12:05 |
| |QuaD- | dv? | 12:06 |
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| bluefoxicy | fabbione: need any info on bug #9723? | 12:13 |
| bluefoxicy | It's gonna be a bitch of a problem, because I've had it reported to me by a few users who have gentoo or ubuntu on the same exact model that the stuff that's broke for me actually works | 12:14 |
| bluefoxicy | :( | 12:14 |
| fabbione | bluefoxicy: probably.. i didn't look at it yet | 12:16 |
| bluefoxicy | ah, 'cause it's assigned to you :) | 12:17 |
| bluefoxicy | heh | 12:17 |
| bluefoxicy | I should get best buy to support linux | 12:17 |
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| bluefoxicy | "Log onto STAR and see what the problem was" ". . . customer could not operate USB camera." "Resolution?" "No drivers for camera, data gathered, dmesg logs shipped to bugzilla of distro and to LKML" | 12:18 |
| mjc | anyone have a serel package? | 12:19 |
| fabbione | bluefoxicy: yes... it's assigned to me, but i have been awake for 20 hours and i am too tired to think straight right now | 12:21 |
| bluefoxicy | alright, tomorrow then. | 12:21 |
| fabbione | good night | 12:21 |
| ogra | night fabbione | 12:21 |
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| mvo | elmo: can you please sync findutils? | 12:27 |
| mjc | tseng, pkg-mono thinks I'm building 1.0.5 but I'm building 1.1.6 | 12:27 |
| zyga | re | 12:32 |
| CarlK | should I bugzilla this? nfs warning: mount version older than kernel | 12:39 |
| zyga | CarlK: what are you mounting? I've seen the same message flood my logs | 12:40 |
| mjc | edited the changelog and removed the patches in the patch dir | 12:41 |
| mjc | seems to be running currently | 12:41 |
| CarlK | 3 day old ubuntu box is the client, 4 year old 2.4.9-ac7 NFS server | 12:42 |
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| CarlK | is the current ubuntu still called hoary, or did that go away when it went... um... stable? | 12:43 |
| zyga | CarlK: similar setup, I've got 2.4.26 slack | 12:43 |
| ogra | CarlK, the name stays...even if its dead in 18 months ;) | 12:43 |
| CarlK | groovy | 12:44 |
| ogra | like wartys name does... | 12:44 |
| CarlK | oh yeah... | 12:44 |
| CarlK | ok, hoary boxes on both sides, still get "nfs warning: mount version older than kernel" | 12:46 |
| CarlK | hmm, one is still from beta | 12:47 |
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| ogra | hmm, amu ? | 12:58 |
| trulux | any python hacker around? | 01:00 |
| === trulux grins | ||
| ajmitch_ | trulux: what's needed? | 01:01 |
| trulux | ajmitch: you're going to reveal my surprises for Breezy.... a port of redhat-config-* tools to Ubuntu | 01:01 |
| trulux | of course not those who do ame job as current ones in the gst packages | 01:01 |
| ajmitch_ | trulux: well you're the one who revealed it ;) | 01:02 |
| trulux | ajmitch: I just mean that you were making me *revealing* it, and no, this is not intended to be sent to bash.org | 01:03 |
| |QuaD- | i think i am missing something in this conversation, i am not understanding anything | 01:03 |
| ajmitch_ | |QuaD-: don't worry | 01:03 |
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| trulux | ajmitch: yeah, it's not my best day | 01:06 |
| trulux | just I need to sleep | 01:06 |
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| trulux | CarlK: haha | 01:08 |
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| trulux | File "/home/lorenzo/proyectos/ubuntu/redhat-logviewer/src/LogBuffer.py", line 117, in insert_into_buffer_at_offset | 01:10 |
| trulux | theiconv = iconv_codec.open(self.codeset, 'iso-8859-1') | 01:10 |
| trulux | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'open' | 01:10 |
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| ajmitch_ | trulux: want me to take a look? :) | 01:14 |
| trulux | ajmitch: only if you don't have other things to do | 01:14 |
| trulux | http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/config-tools/redhat-logviewer.html | 01:15 |
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| doko | good morning all | 01:28 |
| Mithrandir | hi doko | 01:29 |
| Mithrandir | you're in .au now? | 01:29 |
| doko | yes, arrived two hours ago | 01:30 |
| ajmitch_ | morning doko | 01:30 |
| ajmitch_ | trulux: seems to have changed in the cvs version | 01:32 |
| doko | pitti, mvo, seb128: still around? | 01:32 |
| mjc | hmm, how do I go about turning off gpg checking for a certain repo? the meeby mono repo has no gpg, I don't think | 01:44 |
| schweeb | mjc: check the apt manpage/documentation | 01:45 |
| mjc | haven't found anything | 01:47 |
| mjc | ah here | 01:48 |
| mjc | /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz | 01:48 |
| mjc | hmm still nothing to turn off stuff | 01:51 |
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| ogra | doko, they're all packing their bags ;) | 01:56 |
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| ajmitch | ogra: when do you fly out? | 01:56 |
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| ogra | tomorrow night | 01:57 |
| ogra | 5 to 12 :) | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | fun :) | 01:57 |
| ogra | yeah | 01:57 |
| schweeb | it's either gonna be really dead in here the next couple weeks, or really really busy :) | 01:57 |
| ogra | schweeb, at least in the UdU week we'll have net access... | 01:58 |
| schweeb | :) | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | thankfully | 01:58 |
| ogra | so we'll be around from time to time:) | 01:58 |
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| ogra | ajmitch, yes, dont forget that | 01:58 |
| zul | its going to be dead because everyone is going to be on airline flights | 02:00 |
| schweeb | I'll be stuck here! | 02:00 |
| ogra | yeah, you fly two days from here :) | 02:01 |
| schweeb | but I can't IRC from work anymore :( | 02:01 |
| zul | how come? | 02:01 |
| schweeb | it just got blocked | 02:01 |
| ogra | even if its only 22h i start here at sat. and arrive on mon. | 02:01 |
| ogra | weird TZ crossing ;) | 02:01 |
| zul | bloody long flight | 02:01 |
| schweeb | I gotta figure out something to do while I work at Chrysler... there are proxies, but I just have to find them | 02:01 |
| ogra | zul, i'm a strong smoker.... | 02:02 |
| ogra | i'll die i guess | 02:02 |
| zul | heh...cant smoke on airplanes | 02:02 |
| schweeb | haha | 02:02 |
| schweeb | you're screwed | 02:02 |
| ogra | yep | 02:02 |
| schweeb | it's a good time to start the quitting process! | 02:02 |
| zul | or smoke a lot before going on the airplane | 02:03 |
| schweeb | could just buy some patches | 02:03 |
| ogra | thats the idea.... | 02:03 |
| zul | that isnt any fun | 02:03 |
| ogra | nope, but better then going mad | 02:03 |
| zul | id pay to see that | 02:03 |
| ogra | zul, sorry, no videocam :) | 02:04 |
| zul | dang | 02:04 |
| schweeb | yea, I'd like to see him go off on a stewardess | 02:04 |
| ogra | i'd tape it for you, really | 02:04 |
| ogra | lol | 02:04 |
| zul | i puked on a stewardess once | 02:04 |
| schweeb | "my beer is warm, bitch!" | 02:04 |
| zul | when i was a kid...probably too much info | 02:04 |
| schweeb | hehe | 02:04 |
| ogra | *g* | 02:04 |
| zul | eww...why am i listening to dr dre | 02:07 |
| schweeb | good question. | 02:08 |
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| mjc | http://325i.org/media/bootcharts/ | 02:09 |
| mjc | my bootcharts still stink | 02:09 |
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| zul | nah...iron maiden | 02:13 |
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| mjc | mono-1.1.6 doesn't build on amd64. poo | 02:18 |
| schweeb | really? I thought they touted that it actually worked on amd64 | 02:19 |
| schweeb | if I read the release notes right | 02:19 |
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| mjc | using buildpackage | 02:22 |
| mjc | soemthing's possibly not right with the configuration stuffs | 02:22 |
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| mjc | anyone doing boot process speedup stuff around? | 02:27 |
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| queuetue | Hi, all. I've got a running ubuntu hoary Athlon system, and I pulled the drives and put them into a new Athlon 64 system... and the disks get errors - buffer I/O on logical block 0... I can boot the system with DSL cd just fine, and mount, fsck, manipulate the disks just fine, no errors. But I try to boot ubuntu, and the disk errors come back. Does anyone have a clue? | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | queuetue, #ubuntu for help please | 04:16 |
| queuetue | Actually, I tried there first, and I thought it might take someone at the developer level to answer the question... But if it's not possible to get help here, I'll go elsewhere. | 04:17 |
| Mithrandir | when the kernel has started loading or at the grub stage? | 04:19 |
| queuetue | Mithrandir, After loading - Immediately after "starting Ubuntu" or "Welcome to Ubuntu"... Forget exact string. | 04:20 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 04:21 |
| Mithrandir | sounds like a kernel bug. | 04:21 |
| Mithrandir | what kind of motherboard do you have? | 04:21 |
| queuetue | MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI | 04:22 |
| queuetue | (It's Nforce 4 SLI based, if that helps) | 04:23 |
| Mithrandir | hmm | 04:23 |
| Mithrandir | others report they have it working "with a little work", which can mean _anything_ | 04:24 |
| queuetue | Mithrandir, WHat direction would that work take? I don't mind experimenting, but I'm at a loss as to where I should even start. | 04:25 |
| Mithrandir | queuetue: I'd try booting with acpi=off, noapic, nolapic and any combination of those | 04:25 |
| Mithrandir | also, does the 32 bit live CD work? | 04:26 |
| queuetue | Mithrandir, I don't have on on hand, and no cd-burner (excet the one on the MSI) so I can't check atm. | 04:26 |
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| queuetue | All three does not do it... If all three do not fix it, is there valeu in trying other combos? | 04:29 |
| Mithrandir | not really :/ | 04:33 |
| Mithrandir | I'm leaving for Australia in a couple of minutes, so I can't really help you more; sorry. | 04:34 |
| queuetue | Mithrandir, Ok, can you point me towards some topics to research? (if not, good trip!) | 04:34 |
| Mithrandir | queuetue: I think there might be some stuff on the wiki -- wiki.ubuntu.com | 04:34 |
| Mithrandir | sorry about not being more specific. | 04:34 |
| daniels | in general, nforce4 seems to be fine | 04:34 |
| daniels | i've never had a problem with my nf4-sli board | 04:35 |
| queuetue | daniels, Would it matter that this is an install that started on 32-bit and then the disks were migrated? | 04:36 |
| queuetue | I thought AMD64 was back-compatable... | 04:36 |
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| daniels | it is in theory | 04:39 |
| daniels | i've never tried it | 04:39 |
| queuetue | daniels, Any way you can think of for me to install a "proper" amd64 kernel withotu being able to boot (although can access disks fine from DSL) | 04:40 |
| queuetue | Could I just chroot an use apt? | 04:41 |
| daniels | yeah, you could just chroot | 04:41 |
| queuetue | How do people even *work* on windows machines? :) | 04:42 |
| queuetue | The lack of flexibility mus be stifling. | 04:42 |
| zenwhen | queuetue, if you were born in a ten foot room and never left it, you would be satisfied with your situation. | 04:43 |
| zenwhen | as such windows users who have never tried an open source operating system are also satisfied. | 04:44 |
| zenwhen | the literally don't know they are constrained. | 04:44 |
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| queuetue | Ok, the chroot has worked - do I need to switch repositories? I'm not sure how to "do 64" on ubuntu... | 04:49 |
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| erich | Any hints on how to get Java 1.5 working again? | 06:25 |
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| cc | has anyone here successfully compiled qemu with gcc4? are there required patches, and if so, would love to be pointed to them; thanks | 06:42 |
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| fabbione | morning | 07:22 |
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| robitaille | good evening! it has been very quiet around here tonight | 07:27 |
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| pitti | *wave* | 08:25 |
| ajmitch | hi pitti | 08:26 |
| pitti | hey ajmitch | 08:26 |
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| zyga | hey everyone :) | 09:34 |
| robitaille | hi! | 09:35 |
| zyga | wow, new firefox security edition is out | 09:35 |
| zyga | 1.0.3 | 09:35 |
| robitaille | a new firefox means a lot of questions in the mailing list: "where is Firefox 1.0.3 in Hoary?". Similar to Warty and Firefox 1.0 | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | already seen a few | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | almost makes it enough to just put it there, just to make them be quiet | 09:39 |
| zyga | is hoary going to get it as a part of hoary-updates? | 09:39 |
| desrt | 'security edition'? | 09:39 |
| zyga | desrt: bugfix release really | 09:39 |
| zyga | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html | 09:39 |
| desrt | heh | 09:39 |
| robitaille | I believe most of the bug fixes in 1.0.3 are already in Hoary's firefox (from a comment from Thom a while back) | 09:40 |
| zyga | pretty ugly bugs were fixed | 09:40 |
| desrt | holy crap | 09:40 |
| desrt | javascript has lambda? | 09:40 |
| zyga | desrt: err.. no? | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille, then bumb the number, just to make people happy | 09:40 |
| desrt | it does | 09:40 |
| desrt | http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/mfsa2005-33.html | 09:40 |
| desrt | or at least the mozilla people think it does :) | 09:40 |
| zyga | desrt: I'm reading that ATM | 09:41 |
| zyga | desrt: I think they mean something different than what you and I think ;] | 09:41 |
| zyga | anonymous function | 09:41 |
| desrt | i mean the lambda that ... | 09:41 |
| zyga | hmm okaaay ;] | 09:41 |
| desrt | ya. that's the lambda i mean | 09:41 |
| zyga | :) | 09:41 |
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| desrt | i don't imagine you get partial application with javascript :P | 09:42 |
| desrt | although you can use lambda as a basis for closures | 09:42 |
| zyga | desrt: partial application? | 09:42 |
| desrt | \x -> func arg x | 09:42 |
| desrt | ya.. say like you have some function | 09:42 |
| desrt | plus x y = x + y | 09:42 |
| zyga | ah | 09:42 |
| desrt | you can partially apply it | 09:43 |
| zyga | let's use lisp notatnion - it's easier to read | 09:43 |
| desrt | (ie: give it a single argument | 09:43 |
| desrt | (plus 2) | 09:43 |
| desrt | then you have a function that takes 1 argument and adds 2 to it | 09:43 |
| zyga | desrt: that's a closure, no? | 09:43 |
| desrt | the act of giving 1 argument to a 2-argument function (and in general, n arguments to an m-argument function n<m) is called partial application | 09:43 |
| desrt | and it's a way of generating closures | 09:44 |
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| zyga | :-) | 09:44 |
| zyga | I see, I didn't know that term but I understand the thing it does | 09:44 |
| desrt | so, the idea is that any language that has lambda supports partial application | 09:44 |
| desrt | say you have some function f x y | 09:44 |
| desrt | you might not be able to say (f 5) | 09:44 |
| desrt | but you can always say \y -> f 5 y | 09:44 |
| zyga | and call the result that with the remaining argument | 09:44 |
| desrt | exactly | 09:45 |
| zyga | :-) | 09:45 |
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| zyga | robitaille: does ubuntu use vanilla firefox? | 09:45 |
| desrt | hell no | 09:46 |
| robitaille | zyga, no | 09:46 |
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| desrt | ubuntu's firefox is so greatly patched that they're not even allowed to use the firefox logo anymore :) | 09:46 |
| robitaille | zyga, a few differences...starting by the icon :) | 09:46 |
| zyga | hmm | 09:46 |
| zyga | too bad it does not include the patch that fixes the infamous slashdot bug ;-) | 09:47 |
| robitaille | zyga, you can always download and use a vanilla firefox if you want; it's pretty easy to install | 09:47 |
| zyga | robitaille: I like gnome integration :> | 09:47 |
| robitaille | zyga, I do as well, that's why for Hoary I use Ubuntu's firefox. For Warty, I wanted 1.0, so I was using my own then | 09:48 |
| === desrt can't wait for the new dbus/hal to his breezy | ||
| desrt | *hit | 09:50 |
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| GheRivero | res | 10:14 |
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| pitti | mvo: hi | 10:37 |
| mvo | hey pitti | 10:39 |
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| seb128 | elmo: around ? | 11:10 |
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| seb128 | and who broke my box ? :p | 11:17 |
| Lathiat | me me me pick me | 11:18 |
| seb128 | gdm doesn't start because there is no mouse (apparently psmouse doesn't get loaded) | 11:18 |
| Burgundavia | nice | 11:18 |
| maswan | can I break your box tomorrow? please? | 11:18 |
| seb128 | I'm away for a week so feel free :p | 11:18 |
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| abelli | ciao a tutti | 12:39 |
| abelli | a friend has done a nice manager for boot services, and i'd like to add "service description"s, where can i look for them? | 12:41 |
| abelli | - /ill be back in 5 min/ | 12:42 |
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| mvo | hey pitti | 01:33 |
| bluefoxicy | is there a utility to find all files in /etc that have been changed since install time, or aren't related to an installed package, and save them? | 01:36 |
| bluefoxicy | /etc is the missing link in erasing / and reinstalling as long as /home is elsewhere :) | 01:37 |
| infinity | Woohoo, new firefox and mozilla. | 01:37 |
| bluefoxicy | (that's my answer to any problems incurred from damaging your system) | 01:37 |
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| zul | heylo | 01:50 |
| abelli | ciao | 01:51 |
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| pitti | Good bye guys, see you down under! | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | cya pitti | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | going myself now | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | cept im already down under, just going accross :) | 03:31 |
| infinity | pitti : See you there. | 03:31 |
| ogra | infinity, really ? | 03:31 |
| abelli | huh ... have a good time ppl | 03:31 |
| infinity | ogra : Really! | 03:32 |
| ogra | YAY | 03:32 |
| infinity | Huzzah, even. | 03:32 |
| abelli | ogra: im waiting for your sms. | 03:32 |
| ogra | infinity, looking forward to meet you then...(i'll meet pitti in 4h at the airport) | 03:32 |
| infinity | I'm looking forward to getting horribly lost in Sydney after I land. <nod> | 03:33 |
| abelli | ogra: mind your change. | 03:33 |
| \sh | grmpf...python2.4-qt3 but not python2.4-kde3 | 03:34 |
| \sh | why are the bindings not build from kdebindings | 03:34 |
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| Riddell | \sh: not sure, been meaning to ask that | 03:36 |
| \sh | Riddell: well...possible explanation: the standalone packages are also in the repos, but it looks like they're outdated... | 03:37 |
| \sh | i will play with kdebindings ;) | 03:39 |
| Riddell | \sh: cool | 03:41 |
| Riddell | \sh: try asking haggai first, he did kdebindings | 03:41 |
| \sh | Riddell: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO | 03:41 |
| \sh | "let kde people handling the problem" ;) | 03:41 |
| \sh | finally they commented them in in the configure.in file | 03:43 |
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| === tsume_ likes to play sniper on tourists ;) | ||
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| Riddell | ssh is horribly laggy from here | 03:46 |
| \sh | hehe | 03:46 |
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| \sh | well...i will do some serious stuff now..showering, shopping, cleaning the community places in this house | 03:50 |
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| mvo | hey ogra | 03:53 |
| abelli | mvo: dont stress him now ... otherwise he'll forget shirts.. :) | 04:04 |
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| queuetue | Hello, I've done a fresh install of hoary-AMD64 and I'm encountring the same kernel bug as last night: "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot... (This was an MSI K8n Neo4 Platinum/SLI with the nvidia nforce4 chipset) ... can anyone lend a hand in helping me understand this? | 04:08 |
| queuetue | (This error occurs immediately after "Starting Ubuntu" | 04:08 |
| vvl | queuetue: do other operating systems work normally? | 04:19 |
| abelli | vvl: ? | 04:19 |
| queuetue | vvl, DSL (32-bit Dman small linux) works fine - I don't *have* any other oses. ;) | 04:20 |
| vvl | ok :) | 04:20 |
| vvl | I got a similar error once when I had my jumper settings on my hard drives the wrong way | 04:21 |
| vvl | but it's not that then | 04:21 |
| queuetue | "Wrong way" how? | 04:22 |
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| vvl | don't remember exactly how they were configured, but I think one was configured as cable select and one as a master | 04:23 |
| vvl | and then they were plugged in wrong | 04:24 |
| vvl | so linux saw the drives but they didn't respond to I/O requests very well :) | 04:24 |
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| vvl | but if you can boot another kernel that isn't the problem | 04:25 |
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| queuetue | vvl, Well, I can boot a livecd, nothing has booted fromt he HD yet... | 04:29 |
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| vvl | queuetue: I'm absolutely no expert, but check all your HD cables and jumpers, and maybe your bios settings | 04:42 |
| vvl | some drives require LBA to be switched on, others require it to be switched off | 04:43 |
| queuetue | vvl, Why would that not be an issue during the install? | 04:46 |
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| queuetue | The fact that the install and DSL can use the drive fine is really the strange thing here... | 04:48 |
| vvl | hmm yes | 04:49 |
| vvl | but I'd rather not give any more "advice", like I said I'm no expert at these things :) | 04:51 |
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| fgx | where are bugs concerning universe stuff to be submitted? | 05:47 |
| Burgundavia | fgx | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | malone | 05:49 |
| koke | fgx: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | 05:49 |
| fgx | is it useful, as in bugzilla, to include my hd db ID? | 05:50 |
| zul | bbl | 05:53 |
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| ross | mjg59, ping? | 06:04 |
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| rburton | thom, ping? | 06:10 |
| === rburton thinks everyone is not really here | ||
| kent | Didn't firefox/mozilla get a securityupdate in hoary? I thought i read something about that. But I have not yet got it on my Hoary :( Whats the version of the update? So that i can check if its already installed.. | 06:12 |
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| Burgundavia | rburton, there are a lot who are leaving for lca right around now | 06:22 |
| Burgundavia | kent, it is coming, don't worry | 06:22 |
| kent | Burgundavia, ah, ok. I was just worried that perhaps my list of repositories is wrong, but I dont think so.. it should be ok :) | 06:23 |
| rburton | Burgundavia: yeah, that was my guess | 06:24 |
| Burgundavia | kent, you probably won't see a version bump, they will just backport the fixes | 06:25 |
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| schweeb | fabbione: around? | 06:34 |
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| fabbione | schweeb: more or less :) | 06:36 |
| queuetue | It definitely seems like a kernel problem - the disks work fine in another machine, the system works fine with both the livecd and a windows PE disk... Wht can I do here? | 06:37 |
| schweeb | fabbione: you have a recommended netboot image for an ultrasparc to get ubuntu on it? | 06:39 |
| queuetue | An old gentoo HD I scrounged up has the same problem, btw. | 06:40 |
| schweeb | sittin in front of the sunblade 2002 right now | 06:40 |
| fabbione | schweeb: the one that is in the archive @ sparc.u.c | 06:40 |
| schweeb | kk | 06:40 |
| fabbione | no idea if it will ever work :) | 06:40 |
| fabbione | you might have to play with it | 06:40 |
| schweeb | yea | 06:40 |
| schweeb | we'll see | 06:41 |
| schweeb | first experience installing /anything/ on a sparc :) | 06:41 |
| \sh | schweeb: oh..:) | 06:42 |
| \sh | i'd installed debian on a sparc u5 and on a r420 | 06:42 |
| queuetue | As a test, I've agreed to install XP on the system, and see how it acts with the hardware ... I find it very disturbing that I can't op open another console during the install. :) | 06:43 |
| fabbione | schweeb: debian should install pretty fine.. if you can install sarge, you can upgrade to ubuntu.. i am 99.9% sure about it | 06:44 |
| kent | Burgundavia, well, im not interested in getting new versions etc. I was mainly interested in if my sources.list was correct. But i will know it later, i guess :) | 06:45 |
| Burgundavia | kent, there is no reason for a stable hoary system to change its repos | 06:51 |
| kent | Burgundavia, well, that is as correct as can be, but haha, during Warty i changed the repos to install some 3rd party-stuff.. etc, and changed to a mirror etc. So my sources.list was a bit full of stuff and # comments etc. But i think i have taken out the stuff that I dont use any more. So now it should be a clean list of repos. | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | kent, that would not be classified as a stable install in my books | 06:53 |
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| kent | Burgundavia, becaus of the thirdparty programs (i think i tried to/and did install java, flash or something like that during warty), or becaus i fiddled with the repos manually? | 06:55 |
| Burgundavia | kent, fiddled with repos | 06:56 |
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| zyga | hello | 07:30 |
| zyga | how does gnome-cd gets launched upon inserting audio-cd? | 07:31 |
| zyga | (I've disabled 'auto-play' from the menu) | 07:31 |
| Treenaks | menu? | 07:31 |
| zyga | Treenaks: system->prefs->sth (cannot remember english name) | 07:32 |
| zyga | Treenaks: I can make a screenshot - the dialog is very familiar even in foreign language | 07:32 |
| zyga | anyway, the real problem is that it keeps starting, any insight before I scoop the source? | 07:33 |
| Treenaks | zyga: I know which one you mean | 07:33 |
| Treenaks | did you re-login? | 07:33 |
| zyga | Treenaks: no, do I have to/ | 07:34 |
| Treenaks | (should not be necessary, but you never know) | 07:34 |
| Treenaks | if that works, file a bug anyway :) | 07:34 |
| zyga | Treenaks: It's not important - it was turned off long time ago | 07:34 |
| zyga | Treenaks: (if it's something simple I'd prefer to patch it ;-) | 07:34 |
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| zyga | Treenaks: hmm there is a gconf key somewhere | 07:37 |
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| Treenaks | zyga: I don't doubt iy | 07:38 |
| Treenaks | it | 07:38 |
| zyga | Treenaks: but since gnome-cd doesn't launch on its own ... | 07:38 |
| zyga | Treenaks: what can be starting it? | 07:38 |
| Treenaks | nautilus, or gnome-volume-manager | 07:38 |
| zyga | the latter is not running apparently | 07:39 |
| zyga | ahh my mistake - it is running | 07:40 |
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| schweeb | fabbione: you know the key combo to get to OpenBoot w/o using the shutdown -i 0 -g 0 stuff? | 07:45 |
| zyga | hmm how to use debian/rules to extract .tar.gz & apply patches? | 07:46 |
| fabbione | send a break on the console | 07:46 |
| fabbione | schweeb: do you have a keyboard or are you on ser console? | 07:46 |
| schweeb | keyboard | 07:46 |
| fabbione | stop + a | 07:46 |
| schweeb | that have to be done on boot, or does it automatically work from a booted system? | 07:47 |
| fabbione | it should always work | 07:47 |
| schweeb | k | 07:47 |
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| akk | Hi -- any installer devs around? I had some problems installing to a laptop, and am wondering what bugs I should file. | 07:50 |
| fabbione | akk: just use bugzilla.ubuntu.com, we will take care of addressing the bug to the right component. | 07:51 |
| fabbione | akk: please be very specific with the error if you can | 07:51 |
| fabbione | and check if the bug hasn't been reported yet | 07:51 |
| akk | Thanks. I'll do that. | 07:51 |
| akk | Oh, is anyone interested in bugs related to expert mode? | 07:51 |
| fabbione | akk: yes.. all bugs are important | 07:52 |
| fabbione | and needs to be addressed | 07:52 |
| fabbione | better one more than one less | 07:52 |
| akk | Okay, I'll report everything I saw. Thanks. | 07:52 |
| fabbione | akk: but please do a search on bugzilla first to see if it is a known problem | 07:52 |
| fabbione | managing duplicates take a lot of time | 07:52 |
| akk | Understood. Will do. | 07:52 |
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| fabbione | thanks | 07:53 |
| dizzy | anyone expert of hotplug here? | 07:57 |
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| schweeb | o_O | 07:59 |
| schweeb | no rarp in the Ubuntu kernel? | 07:59 |
| schweeb | hrm... guess I'll have to use bootp | 08:00 |
| fabbione | schweeb: you don't need rarp in the kernel | 08:03 |
| fabbione | schweeb: what you need is rarpd and tftpd on another machine | 08:04 |
| fabbione | schweeb: OBP will take care of using rarpd to get the ip and download from tftp | 08:05 |
| schweeb | yea, I had that... rarpd doesn't need rarp in the kernel? | 08:05 |
| fabbione | nope | 08:05 |
| trulux | ajmitch: ping | 08:06 |
| trulux | ajmitch_: ping | 08:06 |
| schweeb | this network's pretty goofy... they're already bootin some sun's via network | 08:06 |
| schweeb | so I may mess around with it later | 08:06 |
| fabbione | schweeb: OBP doesn't support dhcp for booting.. only rarpd | 08:06 |
| fabbione | schweeb: the booting is binded to the mac address | 08:06 |
| fabbione | see /etc/ethers | 08:07 |
| schweeb | when I had rarpd running, it was only getting rarp stuff for one box, which wasn't the one that I'm trying to netboot | 08:07 |
| schweeb | yea, I had ethers set up | 08:07 |
| schweeb | on my laptop | 08:07 |
| fabbione | so if your rarpd answers only for that mac address it would be ok | 08:07 |
| fabbione | schweeb: well, if you have phisical access, just use a cross cable to netboot | 08:08 |
| schweeb | yea, that's what I'm lookin for right now :) | 08:08 |
| fabbione | and plug the machine back to the real net before dhcp :) | 08:08 |
| schweeb | that'd do | 08:08 |
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| fabbione | yeps | 08:09 |
| Amaranth | If I had pbuilder setup for hoary and I'm on breezy now using pbuilder will still create packages usable in hoary, right? | 08:10 |
| schweeb | yes | 08:10 |
| fabbione | Amaranth: please stop this backporting madness.. really | 08:10 |
| schweeb | heh | 08:10 |
| fabbione | most of the stuff that will build and work on breezy will not on hoary | 08:10 |
| fabbione | because of the toolchain changes | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | fabbione: Heh, two packages my menu editor needs have fixes upstream. | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | the gnome-menus 2.10 branch and PyXDG | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | nothing that won't work in hoary | 08:11 |
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| fabbione | sooner or later that won't work.. just be aware of that | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | why won't it? | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | pbuilder sets up a chroot, doesn't it? | 08:11 |
| === akk wonders why bug 2835 is marked UPSTREAM -- is upstream debian in the case of netcfg? | ||
| fabbione | because if we apply a patch to fix compilation with gcc-4, it might not work with gcc-3.3 | 08:12 |
| fabbione | also.. new libc6 will generate dependencies that are not easy to satisfy in hoary | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | oh, you mean for new packages | 08:12 |
| fabbione | no.. also for old ones | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | yeah, i'm not going to be working on the backports project | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | well, i mean for packages that come later on in breezy | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | I just need these two because they got fixed upstream less than a week after hoary came out and my menu editor needs them. | 08:13 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth, did you do the original backports? | 08:13 |
| Amaranth | nope | 08:13 |
| schweeb | ugh, this crossover doesn't seem to be providing link :-/ | 08:15 |
| Amaranth | hrm, the gnome-menus source package doesn't have all the source in it | 08:18 |
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| bluefoxicy | 25698 bluefox 15 0 801m 184m 18m S 1.7 24.7 16:26.80 AbiWord-2.2 | 08:36 |
| bluefoxicy | 801M, 184M | 08:36 |
| === bluefoxicy closes abiword and suddenly uses about 600 megs less swap. | ||
| bluefoxicy | yeah I'm gonna call that a problem with the allocator | 08:37 |
| bluefoxicy | 3772 bluefox 15 0 183m 79m 19m S 0.0 10.7 0:04.75 abiword | 08:38 |
| bluefoxicy | closed abiword, then reopenned with the same file | 08:38 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: could you compile abiword with debug and run it via valgrind? | 08:39 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: no, I have work in 20 minutes. | 08:39 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: ok | 08:39 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: but I believe that a lot of memory issues stem from the fact that I'm practically the only person I know of that actually understands that the design of the heap is a really bad idea | 08:40 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: ? | 08:40 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: why | 08:40 |
| bluefoxicy | and red hat (who controlls glibc and thus mallo()) doesn't care | 08:40 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: because if you allocate a ton of memory, then free most of it, except one byte at the end, you hold a ton of memory, as the heap is defined by start and length only | 08:40 |
| bluefoxicy | the heap can't be fragmented in allocation; it's one big block. | 08:41 |
| bluefoxicy | and thus, those unused areas will eventually get swapped out. | 08:41 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: hmm not so sure, are you confident that how it works? | 08:41 |
| bluefoxicy | then when you allocate again, you just swap them back in because thankfully glibc's allocator doesn't just infinitely allocate more | 08:41 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: I've tested it | 08:41 |
| bluefoxicy | lemme find a test program. | 08:41 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: It's easier to check the source | 08:42 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: don't we have a slab allocator? | 08:42 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: not that allocator, the userspace allocator. | 08:43 |
| bluefoxicy | the kernel allocator handles physical->virtual mappings | 08:43 |
| bluefoxicy | the userspace allocator handles getting memory from the kernel and using it in such a way that it doesn't just eat up 40 gigs of RAM | 08:43 |
| === zyga thought that slab allocator was in userspace too | ||
| zyga | err but it's rather hard to believe that the us allocator is so dumb ;] | 08:44 |
| zyga | (not that I really know) | 08:44 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: it uses brk(), except if an allocation is >128KiB it makes an mmap() segment | 08:44 |
| zyga | mmap is okay6 | 08:44 |
| bluefoxicy | it would be better to use say 4-20 meg mmap() segments as mini heaps so that when they empty out you can just free them back to the system | 08:44 |
| bluefoxicy | you can't just use mmap() for everything because it always maps full pages | 08:45 |
| bluefoxicy | i.e. mmap()ing 5 bytes maps in 4096 bytes (think of fat, and small files, and you'll get it) | 08:45 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: well personally I don't assume I'm working with a perfect allocator and keep small stuff in their own allocation blocks | 08:45 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I know how that works | 08:46 |
| bluefoxicy | I know | 08:46 |
| bluefoxicy | unfortunately using a huge block has problems, i.e. firefox starts at 40M and grows to 100, and stays there no matter what | 08:46 |
| bluefoxicy | or if you delete 6000 files in nautilus, it allocates 330M of memory to store information about what it's about to do | 08:46 |
| bluefoxicy | then it frees down to 300 instead of back to the usual 20M that it uses | 08:47 |
| zyga | well simple likned list of blocks that feeds a custom allocator is simple | 08:47 |
| bluefoxicy | but if it needs another 200 or so megs it's already allocated; most of that 300M is just empty space in the heap | 08:47 |
| bluefoxicy | problem being it's empty allocated space that should be going back to the system, not to swap after 10 minutes | 08:47 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I know little about how kernel works in this regard (overallocation) | 08:49 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: but you do have a point | 08:50 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: but ... | 08:51 |
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| zyga | bluefoxicy: isn't is then possible to have a custom allocator that knows about 128KiB stiupiditity and always maintains chunks in mmaped pages | 08:51 |
| bluefoxicy | http://rafb.net/paste/results/1pgZrc68.html | 08:51 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: then spitting them out as a page becomes empty? | 08:52 |
| zyga | (not that I care about performace for a moment) | 08:52 |
| zyga | (alhorightm performace that is) | 08:52 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: dropping heap holder...? | 08:53 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: problem being that if you simply mmap() a segment for every allocation, you allocate a 4096 byte page when you need a 60 . You have to mmap() a small-ish area of a fair size, and use that as a heap, then scrap it when it empties. | 08:53 |
| zyga | what does that mean? | 08:53 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: one byte at the end of the heap. | 08:53 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I dont want to mmap everything | 08:53 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: mmap -> list of blocks per allocated maps | 08:53 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: I malloc() like http://rafb.net/paste/results/B1ug1b73.html | 08:53 |
| bluefoxicy | 25600 segments, then 100 bytes at the end | 08:54 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: smart | 08:54 |
| bluefoxicy | then I free the 25600 segments out of the heap, which now has abotu 100M of unused memory in it | 08:54 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: and shows the point | 08:54 |
| bluefoxicy | but the heap can't brk() down | 08:54 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: so let's change that ok? | 08:54 |
| bluefoxicy | UU----------------------------U | 08:54 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: we'll use a custom allocator on top of mmap | 08:54 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171547 | 08:54 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: exactly :) | 08:54 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: just say one thing to me - is there any limit to number of mapped pages? (per user) | 08:55 |
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| zyga | bluefoxicy: I once did a test | 08:55 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: Depending on security setup and system limits there is | 08:55 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I've mapped one gig file, each page on it's own | 08:55 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I could not get more than 10 pages | 08:55 |
| bluefoxicy | wli reports that the kernel can handle millions of mappings, more than a 32 bit CPU can actually account for managable ram | 08:55 |
| bluefoxicy | without slowing down at all | 08:55 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: mapping the whole file with one call worked | 08:55 |
| bluefoxicy | heh | 08:55 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I would gladly repeat that test :) | 08:56 |
| zyga | and re-run your test with a small custom allocator (with malloc interface of course) | 08:56 |
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| bluefoxicy | zyga: :) perhaps I should make a quick Ubuntu bug | 08:57 |
| bluefoxicy | that points at that bug | 08:57 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I'm still reading your bugreport | 08:58 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: but ... isn't this a generic bug? | 08:58 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: why gnome? | 08:58 |
| zyga | (why ubuntu for that matter) | 08:58 |
| zyga | create a small library with malloc free calloc and realloc | 08:58 |
| zyga | and LD_PRELOAD it or something | 08:59 |
| bluefoxicy | because gnome devs get hard-ons over using less memory | 08:59 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I've seen that memory wiki - it's a great idea | 08:59 |
| lsuactiafner | ok ppl, anyone here running ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso? the kernel in 5.04 doesnt run my hardware setup, and i need someone to compile me a kernel, i got a .config for my system already, but am running 32bits and i dont want to cross-compile | 08:59 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: hmm I guess you should ask in #ubuntu | 09:00 |
| lsuactiafner | i did, they seem useless. | 09:00 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: BTW: how does new get it's memory? via malloc? | 09:00 |
| dhonn | lsuactiafner, you can compile your kernel under any linux distro | 09:01 |
| lsuactiafner | and btw the lilo package installation in ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso doesnt work | 09:01 |
| lsuactiafner | dhonn : you cant compile a 64 bit kernel while running a 32 bit system with no cross compiler | 09:01 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: grub works okay (/me hugs big amd box) | 09:01 |
| dhonn | you can | 09:02 |
| dhonn | get the compiler | 09:02 |
| lsuactiafner | dhonn : with a cross-compiler... and i do not want to mess with gcc | 09:02 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: is there any convenient .tar.gz with your tests? | 09:02 |
| bluefoxicy | work time | 09:02 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: download the link I showed with the source as text. | 09:02 |
| dhonn | what kernel works for you and what linux distro? | 09:02 |
| lsuactiafner | zyga : lilo is better than grub | 09:02 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: msg me when you finish work please | 09:03 |
| lsuactiafner | i use slackware 2.6.11, some options in the ubuntu kernel conflicts with my hardware. | 09:03 |
| dhonn | just copy the kernel over to ubuntu | 09:03 |
| lsuactiafner | slackware 10.1 but kernel 2.6.11-4 | 09:03 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: I see | 09:03 |
| dhonn | and copy the /lib/modules/* | 09:04 |
| lsuactiafner | dhonn : a 32bit kernel WILL NOT run binaries compiled for 64bit | 09:04 |
| dhonn | get the 64bit kernel from slack | 09:04 |
| dhonn | lsuactiafner, you say the slack 64 kernel works for you? | 09:05 |
| lsuactiafner | i'm running slackware in 32bit mode. | 09:05 |
| dhonn | damn | 09:05 |
| lsuactiafner | slackware 10.1 is 32bit, patrick didnt like some nasty bugs with 64bit systems | 09:05 |
| dhonn | is there a 64bit kernel disto that works for you | 09:05 |
| lsuactiafner | no. thats why i need someone currently running a 64bit system to compile me a kernel that will work for me, i got a .config file that will work | 09:06 |
| schweeb | fabbione: still there? | 09:07 |
| lsuactiafner | dhonn : you aint a developer are you? | 09:08 |
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| dhonn | im a different kind of developer | 09:08 |
| lsuactiafner | graphics? | 09:10 |
| dhonn | yep | 09:10 |
| dhonn | i use to compile kernels a lot though | 09:11 |
| dhonn | you can compile a 64bit kernel in a 32bit/os partition, then copy it to your 64bit/os partition | 09:12 |
| lsuactiafner | you can not. | 09:12 |
| dhonn | yes | 09:12 |
| lsuactiafner | dhonn : --march=athlon64 | 09:13 |
| dhonn | yes | 09:13 |
| lsuactiafner | try compiling a program with that if you got a 32bit compiler | 09:13 |
| dhonn | you can compile any arch | 09:13 |
| dhonn | under any os | 09:13 |
| lsuactiafner | trust me.. it does not work. | 09:13 |
| lsuactiafner | ok cd /usr/src/linux | 09:13 |
| lsuactiafner | edit the Makefile | 09:14 |
| lsuactiafner | ill get a search quick | 09:14 |
| |QuaD- | is there a reason that all of unstable hasn't been imported to breezy? looking at gnome-blog, sid has v0.8-2, we are on 0.7-4 | 09:14 |
| schweeb | fabbione: I keep getting a "Fast Data Access MMU Miss" on a tftp download from the Sun client... using tftp manually from an x86 box works just peachy keen | 09:15 |
| lsuactiafner | change the CFLAGS to export CFLAGS="-march=athlon64 -O3 -pipe -funroll-loops" | 09:15 |
| schweeb | and on my x86 tftp box, the only error I get is "read: Connection refused" | 09:15 |
| lsuactiafner | see if it does compile... | 09:15 |
| lsuactiafner | HOSTCFLAGS ... | 09:15 |
| dhonn | something isnt installed | 09:16 |
| dhonn | dhonn@laptop:~/temp$ gcc -march=athlon64 blah.c | 09:16 |
| dhonn | i get errors too | 09:16 |
| lsuactiafner | exactly. | 09:17 |
| dhonn | works fine march=pentium4 | 09:17 |
| lsuactiafner | well you know what, an AMD64 3200+ Hammer aint the same thing as a Pentium 4 | 09:17 |
| lsuactiafner | i686 is compatible. | 09:18 |
| dhonn | you have to install something else, you can compile programs for other archs i know it | 09:18 |
| lsuactiafner | a cross-compiler... | 09:18 |
| lsuactiafner | and you do not want to fsck with gcc on any pc. | 09:18 |
| lsuactiafner | ok now i'm wasting time here. | 09:18 |
| lsuactiafner | dhonn : dont ever touch anything todo with ubuntu please. | 09:18 |
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| dhonn | gcc is a cross compiler | 09:20 |
| dhonn | lol | 09:20 |
| fabbione | schweeb: oh... that error! | 09:24 |
| srbaker | jdub, are you on tv right now? | 09:24 |
| fabbione | schweeb: even with debian? | 09:24 |
| fabbione | schweeb: because iirc the problem. it means that your cpu isn't supported | 09:25 |
| schweeb | :-/ | 09:26 |
| schweeb | I'll try debian | 09:26 |
| schweeb | google says it's a kernel problem | 09:26 |
| schweeb | it is definitely an ultrasparc though | 09:27 |
| fabbione | schweeb: it can also be silo | 09:27 |
| fabbione | that's why i am asking you to try debian | 09:27 |
| schweeb | yea | 09:27 |
| fabbione | it compiles silo with another gcc | 09:27 |
| schweeb | looking for the image now | 09:27 |
| schweeb | it's an UltraSparc-III+ | 09:27 |
| fabbione | not sure it's supported by the kernel | 09:28 |
| schweeb | o_O... the banner says Sun-Blade-1000... it's supposed to be a 2000 | 09:28 |
| schweeb | debian's boot.img does the same thing too | 09:30 |
| schweeb | trying the 2.6 one... | 09:30 |
| zyga | confirm this please - it's not possible to get 4MB pages on x86? | 09:35 |
| jbailey | zyga: Superpages I think are available from pentium up. | 09:38 |
| zyga | jbailey: any good docs on the subject? (other than google) | 09:39 |
| jbailey | Intel's archtecture books. | 09:39 |
| zyga | jbailey: thanks | 09:40 |
| jbailey | Dunno if they're online or not. | 09:40 |
| zyga | jbailey: I've got some of them at my university library - that will do | 09:40 |
| jbailey | Cool. | 09:40 |
| schweeb | fabbione: okay, now I'm getting it to say "138200" then is says to check the tftp config. frickin SPARCs | 09:40 |
| fabbione | schweeb: so it starts the download and than it stops? | 10:00 |
| schweeb | yep | 10:00 |
| schweeb | I'll do some more research and mess with it later | 10:01 |
| schweeb | gotta go to a bbq with whiprush in a little while, and this is pissing me off too much | 10:01 |
| zyga | does LD_PRELOAD take symbol versions into account? | 10:11 |
| schweeb | headin out... later | 10:15 |
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