ogra | wooh | 12:01 |
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ogra | that'd be cool.... | 12:01 |
ogra | i saw him at fosdem last year | 12:01 |
tseng | ugh come on dyer | 12:02 |
tseng | laundry sucks | 12:02 |
tseng | i want to leave | 12:02 |
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goedson | Hi ogra. | 12:21 |
ogra | hey goedson | 12:21 |
goedson | ogra: Now that gnomebaker has entered universe and Debian, is there anything I must do to keep it updated in universe or is the synchronization with Debian done automatically? | 12:22 |
ajmitch | hi | 12:22 |
ajmitch | sync done automagically until UpstreamVersionFreeze | 12:22 |
ajmitch | at which point we can request manual syncs of packages in universe | 12:23 |
ogra | goedson, its done automatically...only if you want to make lspecific ubuntu changes you need to touch it | 12:23 |
ogra | -l | 12:23 |
goedson | OK. | 12:24 |
goedson | But Hoary's Univerve is frozen, right? I should backport new versions of the package for Hoary, if I want to prove | 12:26 |
goedson | s/prove/provide such support/ | 12:26 |
ajmitch_ | he said the word! ;) | 12:26 |
ogra | eeek | 12:29 |
ogra | goedson, but you'd have to keep them in your own repo, uploads go only to breezy now... | 12:31 |
schweeb | ajmitch_: backport backport backport :p | 12:36 |
ogra | booo | 12:36 |
ajmitch_ | be glad you're not going to UDU, otherwise we'd have to 'talk' to you | 12:36 |
ogra | hehe | 12:36 |
schweeb | I just said the words, I don't stand behind them :) | 12:38 |
goedson | ogra: right. I thought so. | 12:39 |
goedson | I'm starting to think you are not big fans of backports. | 12:40 |
goedson | :) | 12:40 |
ogra | heh, nope, not really.... | 12:41 |
crimsun | wait, did someone say the B word? | 12:42 |
ogra | crimsun, yeah, several times today :-/ | 12:42 |
ogra | baaad day | 12:42 |
crimsun | sok I have blinders. I can only see the list of bugs I need to fix ;) | 12:44 |
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ogra | crimsun, lucky you.... i have to rewrite nearly the whole patch for the screensaver .... | 12:45 |
ogra | debian changed a lot | 12:45 |
crimsun | ah, but with coffee it's possible! | 12:45 |
crimsun | out for a bit, bbl. | 12:46 |
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trulux | oops | 01:12 |
trulux | File "/home/lorenzo/proyectos/ubuntu/redhat-logviewer/src/LogBuffer.py", line 117, in insert_into_buffer_at_offset | 01:12 |
trulux | theiconv = iconv_codec.open(self.codeset, 'iso-8859-1') | 01:12 |
trulux | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'open' | 01:12 |
trulux | I need to check this | 01:12 |
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tseng | boggle breez-changes | 03:53 |
tseng | breezy | 03:53 |
ajmitch | yeah, it's filled up nearly 2% of my gmail inbox ;) | 03:54 |
tseng | but.. | 03:54 |
tseng | your inbox is infinty+1! | 03:55 |
tseng | you cant fill it. | 03:55 |
ajmitch | still a lot of mail | 03:55 |
crimsun | that's why I read lists.u.c! :) | 03:56 |
ajmitch | gmane is great for that | 03:56 |
tseng | i like their blog view | 03:56 |
tseng | rss++ | 03:56 |
ajmitch | I prefer nntp | 03:57 |
bddebian | Oh shut up ajmitch | 03:57 |
bddebian | ;-P | 03:57 |
ajmitch | excuse me? | 03:58 |
bddebian | I'm a lamer 'cause I haven't sent your laptop yet.. :'-( | 03:58 |
ajmitch | so? | 03:58 |
ajmitch | that has about 0 relevance to amount of ubuntu mail coming in :) | 03:58 |
bddebian | Who said anything about relevance, this is IRC d00d.. ;-) | 03:59 |
ajmitch | true.. | 03:59 |
tseng | holy crap, someone wrote a wiki in vim | 04:00 |
ajmitch | that's just sick | 04:00 |
ajmitch | it's expected for emacs, but for vim? | 04:00 |
tseng | yeah. | 04:00 |
Mithrandir | tseng: I'm looking forward to the day I can point and shout "bloat, bloat" at vim. | 04:02 |
Mithrandir | :) | 04:02 |
tseng | hah | 04:08 |
tseng | vim rocks my face | 04:08 |
schweeb | tseng: hahah | 04:14 |
schweeb | I posted the link to that wiki thing just yesterday | 04:15 |
schweeb | hahaha | 04:15 |
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whiprush | tseng: ping | 05:57 |
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GheRivero | res | 10:14 |
siretart | hi | 10:49 |
ajmitch | hey chaps | 10:57 |
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tseng | whiprush: pong | 12:21 |
ajmitch | hi tseng | 12:26 |
ajmitch | how goes the mono packaging? | 12:26 |
tseng | it goes well | 12:26 |
tseng | besides stuff that is ahead in debian | 12:26 |
tseng | gda and sqlite | 12:27 |
ajmitch | did a dist-upgrade to breezy today, it went relatively painlessly | 12:27 |
tseng | and | 12:27 |
tseng | mono apperantly doesnt build against glibc 2.3.4 | 12:27 |
tseng | we have .4 | 12:27 |
tseng | .5 | 12:27 |
ajmitch | yeah | 12:27 |
tseng | not sure how ill work that out | 12:28 |
tseng | but im not running breezy yet | 12:28 |
ajmitch | internal libc symbols, apparantly | 12:28 |
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tseng | i asked about it on #mono and miguel said that certainly isnt the case | 12:28 |
ajmitch | another ogra :) | 12:28 |
ajmitch | perhaps it's just binary packages compiled against libc < 2.3.4? | 12:28 |
tseng | i think the build | 12:29 |
ajmitch | where's the 1.1.x packages around for me to test out on breezy? | 12:29 |
tseng | i was running it until he did the gda transition | 12:29 |
tseng | k one sec | 12:29 |
ajmitch | meebey did put them somewhere | 12:29 |
tseng | #deb http://debian.meebey.net/ ./ | 12:30 |
ajmitch | ok | 12:30 |
ajmitch | will download & try compile | 12:31 |
tseng | oh | 12:31 |
tseng | the sources are in svn on alioth | 12:31 |
ajmitch | pkg-mono? | 12:32 |
tseng | yes. | 12:32 |
ajmitch | I've got that checked out on my sid box, one sec.. | 12:32 |
tseng | i guess id better upgrade to breezy | 12:32 |
ajmitch | what's needed to build from svn properly? | 12:33 |
tseng | i was hoping you could tell me | 12:34 |
ajmitch | heh | 12:34 |
tseng | something to do with svn-buildpkg | 12:34 |
ajmitch | right | 12:34 |
tseng | ok ill upgrade | 12:34 |
tseng | ive been testing the binaries for a few weeks | 12:35 |
ajmitch | seems to be an awful lot of files in this svn checkout | 12:36 |
tseng | 260 upgraded =/ | 12:36 |
tseng | 26 newly installed! | 12:36 |
ajmitch | not too bad | 12:36 |
tseng | oo.org2 | 12:36 |
tseng | blah | 12:36 |
ajmitch | :0:> find /usr/local/src/cvs/pkg-mono | wc -l | 12:37 |
ajmitch | 24153 | 12:37 |
tseng | oh and 2.6.11 | 12:37 |
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Burgundavia | tseng, upgrades to breezy are going to be fun | 12:38 |
tseng | im doing one now | 12:38 |
Burgundavia | am going to wait a few weeks | 12:38 |
ajmitch | I haven't rebooted yet | 12:38 |
ajmitch | but gnome still comes up ok | 12:39 |
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tseng | i might have a few hours to hack around on sunday | 12:41 |
ajmitch | cli-common is needed, but there's not a complete package there | 12:42 |
tseng | dajobe said the docs blew | 12:42 |
tseng | hm yeah? if something is wrong ask meebey and he will fix | 12:42 |
tseng | cool guy. | 12:42 |
ajmitch | sorry, not a complete package in svn | 12:42 |
ajmitch | maybe mono stuff will have to be discussed at udu as well, since it might get into main for breezy | 12:43 |
tseng | yes | 12:43 |
tseng | jdub gave me beagle | 12:43 |
ajmitch | great | 12:43 |
ajmitch | how's it looking? | 12:44 |
tseng | i mean, he gave me his maintainer badge | 12:44 |
Burgundavia | I am running .9 here, has borked completely, the daemon that is | 12:44 |
tseng | im running beagle .9 on meebeys mono atm | 12:44 |
tseng | works great. | 12:44 |
tseng | Burgundavia: you cant run .9 on our current mono in hoary | 12:44 |
Burgundavia | tseng, I got new mono as well, from the same repo | 12:45 |
ajmitch | what system changes does it require? user_xattr? | 12:45 |
Burgundavia | yep | 12:45 |
Burgundavia | http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall | 12:45 |
tseng | user+xattr for /home | 12:45 |
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tseng | oh jeez | 12:46 |
tseng | the manno repository again | 12:46 |
ajmitch | ? | 12:46 |
Burgundavia | tseng, what is wrong with the manno repo? | 12:46 |
tseng | it sucks | 12:46 |
ajmitch | serious crack? | 12:46 |
tseng | need a list? | 12:46 |
tseng | i have one. | 12:47 |
Burgundavia | if you have a better repo, I would love it | 12:47 |
tseng | just posted | 12:47 |
Burgundavia | where? | 12:47 |
tseng | here | 12:47 |
tseng | but it wont work straight up on hoary, its for sid | 12:47 |
Burgundavia | http://debian.meebey.net/ ./, this one? | 12:47 |
tseng | we'll be working on building it for breezy | 12:47 |
tseng | yes | 12:47 |
Burgundavia | what is borked? | 12:47 |
tseng | it is built against newer sqlite and gda | 12:48 |
tseng | than hoary | 12:48 |
Burgundavia | ok, does that break things? | 12:48 |
tseng | its not installable | 12:48 |
tseng | without work | 12:48 |
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Burgundavia | hmm | 12:49 |
Burgundavia | then I will wait until breezy | 12:49 |
tseng | oh jeez that page is by HulaBeagleSeb | 12:49 |
ajmitch | I'll see if these binary packages will work as-is on breezy | 12:49 |
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tseng | i use tomboy | 12:50 |
tseng | or f-spot has even less deps | 12:50 |
tseng | try f-spot :P | 12:50 |
ajmitch | :0:> tomboy | 12:51 |
ajmitch | mono: relocation error: mono: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference | 12:51 |
ajmitch | [ajmitch @ athanasius @ 22:50:24 pwd=~/debs/mono/1.1/pkg-mono/pkg-mono] | 12:51 |
Burgundavia | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172968 | 12:51 |
tseng | ah owned | 12:51 |
Burgundavia | I love this bug | 12:51 |
ajmitch | yeah | 12:51 |
ajmitch | will try a recompile | 12:51 |
tseng | ok | 12:52 |
ajmitch | got to find the 0pre4 diff.gz first | 12:52 |
tseng | i will later | 12:52 |
ajmitch | or get it working from svn | 12:52 |
tseng | ask meebey :D | 12:52 |
ajmitch | heh | 12:53 |
ajmitch | he's probably afk | 12:53 |
Burgundavia | tseng, is mono a go for main in breezy? | 12:53 |
tseng | its a go for breezy | 12:53 |
tseng | possibly in main | 12:53 |
tseng | we'll see :P | 12:53 |
Burgundavia | hopefully | 12:53 |
Burgundavia | then we will be the 2nd major distro to ship with it | 12:54 |
ajmitch | yeah, I don't think pnet will be seen in main anytime soon ;) | 12:54 |
Burgundavia | pnet? | 12:54 |
ajmitch | heh, that's one reason why | 12:54 |
ajmitch | dotgnu portable.net | 12:54 |
ajmitch | the other free CLR | 12:55 |
Burgundavia | right | 12:55 |
Burgundavia | why two? | 12:55 |
Burgundavia | why does FLOSS always have to have 2 implementations | 12:55 |
Burgundavia | not really a rant | 12:55 |
tseng | yes i need to go out for most of the day | 12:57 |
tseng | let me know what you find out aj | 12:57 |
tseng | ajmitch. | 12:57 |
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ajmitch | the official story is that pnet started about 6 months before mono | 12:58 |
ajmitch | rhys & miguel never got on | 12:58 |
ajmitch | there was some code sharing, in small places | 12:58 |
ajmitch | and pnet can use most of the higher level class libs | 12:58 |
tseng | i find it hard to not get along with miguel | 12:58 |
tseng | but.. bye :) | 12:59 |
ajmitch | bye tseng :) | 12:59 |
Burgundavia | cya | 12:59 |
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ajmitch | Burgundavia: I'm sure you've noticed that about 99% of people who think of C# on linux think only of mono | 01:00 |
ajmitch | which indicates somewhat how things are :) | 01:00 |
Burgundavia | I didn't knwo about .gnu until I found it searching for mono stuff | 01:00 |
ajmitch | pnet was a very impressive undertaking, as it is about 80% rhy's code | 01:00 |
ajmitch | about 1 million lines over about 3 years | 01:01 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 01:01 |
Burgundavia | but mono produced things like fspot and beagle | 01:01 |
Burgundavia | and won the mindshare though pretty apps | 01:01 |
ajmitch | no, people wrote apps like f-spot & beagle on mono | 01:01 |
ajmitch | once mono was well known & popular | 01:01 |
ajmitch | mono had the mindshare already with miguel & ximian backing it | 01:02 |
Burgundavia | mono is increasingly becoming the thing to have | 01:02 |
ajmitch | aha, mono is building | 01:02 |
Burgundavia | all the mee tooers want their beagle | 01:02 |
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ajmitch | sure, not much useful stuff runs just out-of-the-box for pnet | 01:03 |
ajmitch | there's always the small bugs that held it up | 01:03 |
Burgundavia | ah, the killer small bugs | 01:03 |
ajmitch | and the fact that most work went into the compiler & core libs | 01:04 |
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ajmitch | hello bddebian | 01:04 |
ajmitch | this should be interesting to see if a rebuild from source works | 01:04 |
bddebian | Morning ajmitch | 01:04 |
ajmitch | perhaps I should do this on my main box - my breezy box is a little slow | 01:07 |
ajmitch | bddebian: so what's new? | 01:09 |
bddebian | Just woke up. You? :-) | 01:11 |
\sh | hmmm... | 01:19 |
\sh | theres something wrong with psi | 01:19 |
ajmitch | bddebian: hacking packages again | 01:19 |
\sh | and its wrong in debian/ubuntu | 01:20 |
\sh | no..its wrong in psi | 01:21 |
ajmitch | \sh: feel free to fix it ;) | 01:21 |
\sh | ajmitch: well...i'm comparing packages between ubuntu/debian and gentoo ;) | 01:21 |
bddebian | ajmitch: Hey, why aren't you hackin' on Hurd then?? ;-P | 01:22 |
ajmitch | bddebian: because this is far more fun & rewarding :D | 01:22 |
bddebian | :'-( | 01:23 |
\sh | bugfixes are going also in hoary as updates or sec-updates? | 01:23 |
ajmitch | and I can use ubuntu for work - I can't use the Hurd for a production system | 01:23 |
ajmitch | \sh: only major, critical fixes | 01:23 |
\sh | ajmitch: issues with functionality only for breezy? | 01:24 |
ajmitch | afaik, yes | 01:24 |
ajmitch | at a guess, the same bugfix policy applies to main & universe | 01:25 |
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\sh | lemme fix it first ;) | 01:26 |
\sh | cause the gpg stuff is wrong... | 01:27 |
ajmitch | night all | 01:55 |
ogra_ | night ajmitch | 01:59 |
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\sh | hoi ogra | 01:59 |
\sh | ogra_: you should go and sleep for the night flight ;) so u don't have a jet lag...and drink beer and whiskey during the flight..helps to avoid the jetlag as well ;) | 02:00 |
ogra_ | gah, dont drink and fly | 02:00 |
\sh | and I'm fixing this bloody psi gpg thingy here right now ;) | 02:00 |
\sh | ogra_: well...last time I came back from the states...i was looking like a junky...tired, drunk and my eyes, u know, customs checked me on drugs ;) | 02:02 |
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Burgundavia | I think I must be missing something | 02:13 |
Burgundavia | I add a .desktop to the sources | 02:13 |
Burgundavia | then I add a install file in /debian with the name of the file and where it goes | 02:13 |
Burgundavia | what else do I need to do? | 02:13 |
Burgundavia | I have been beating my head against a wall for some time now trying to figure out what the heck I am missing | 02:14 |
Burgundavia | as it must be simple | 02:14 |
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\sh | *grmpf* | 02:40 |
\sh | problem is in psi itself...it requires normally a gnupg-agent tool...only if you're working with psi --no-gpg-agent it works correctly | 02:40 |
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herve | hello | 04:14 |
bddebian | Hello herve | 04:16 |
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SeamusLT | Hey guys, when you start rolling out updated packages will they be breezy only or will hoary get some too? | 04:41 |
Burgundavia | only critical bug fixes | 04:42 |
Burgundavia | and some security updates | 04:42 |
SeamusLT | This applies to the universe/multiverse as well? | 04:42 |
herve | sure | 04:42 |
herve | hoary is now rock-solid for production use | 04:43 |
SeamusLT | How much do you guys think I'll break by using a breezy universe/multiverse? | 04:43 |
herve | much if you're not ready | 04:44 |
herve | that's the price of wanting bleeding-edge packages | 04:44 |
SeamusLT | Well I suppose some things would be safe, such as if I wanted to get the latest freeciv or something | 04:46 |
herve | we are transitionning to gcc 4.0 | 04:47 |
herve | I'm not confident about a mix of hoary base and breezy binaries | 04:47 |
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herve | hi koke | 04:48 |
SeamusLT | herve: Now that you say that, I'm not either | 04:48 |
herve | SeamusLT, I'll say you should wait a couple of month to switch | 04:49 |
herve | if you're still adventurous, I mean | 04:49 |
koke | hi all! | 04:49 |
herve | SeamusLT, another option is to recompile latest freeciv source package for hoary | 04:50 |
herve | if build dependencies are present of course | 04:50 |
herve | koke, I'm a motu !!! | 04:50 |
SeamusLT | herve Yeah I'm going to do that, probably use dpkg to make it work well with the package management | 04:50 |
koke | herve: great!! | 04:51 |
SeamusLT | herve isn't gcc4 still a beta? | 04:51 |
koke | actually I thought you already were :D | 04:51 |
herve | SeamusLT, I'm not the right person to ask that | 04:52 |
herve | koke, in theory maybe, but my gpg key wasn't approved | 04:52 |
koke | oh, I know | 04:53 |
koke | I can't upload yet :( | 04:53 |
herve | I sympathize -:) | 04:55 |
koke | w0w! I found a quite strange bug | 04:57 |
koke | http://koke.amedias.org/img/ethereal-bizarre.png | 04:57 |
SeamusLT | herve: Good luck GCC4 then. I was reading a gentoo thread about a year ago when it was still alpha, about 45 pages of people trying to compile working systems with it | 04:58 |
herve | SeamusLT, I can't really consider gentoo users trying to fsck up their system with an alpha-stage gcc :-) | 05:10 |
herve | koke, hoary/breezy? | 05:11 |
koke | no, hoary | 05:11 |
koke | and a bit outdated | 05:11 |
koke | but it's quite bizarre anyway | 05:12 |
koke | I'll update | 05:12 |
herzi | hi | 05:13 |
herve | hi herzi | 05:13 |
herve | ouch | 05:14 |
herve | the debian package seem in need of DD activity | 05:14 |
herve | koke, I don't have it in breezy | 05:16 |
herve | it's 0.10.10-1ubuntu1 | 05:16 |
SeamusLT | herve: Heh don't know why anyone would want to do such a thing | 05:47 |
\sh | SeamusLT: there r some guys in the gentoo world | 06:11 |
schweeb | this is gonna be... .interesting | 06:12 |
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\sh | have fune :) | 06:12 |
\sh | -e | 06:12 |
\sh | nice...my private internet radio is streaming :) | 06:14 |
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siretart | has anyone had a look at subterrifics ia32-libs-more package? | 08:33 |
siretart | I found some threads in the forums referencing them | 08:33 |
herve | I guess it's for 64-bit architectures? | 08:34 |
siretart | exactly | 08:35 |
siretart | more 32bit libs for amd64 | 08:35 |
herve | I don't think I can help you much | 08:36 |
siretart | well, funny | 08:37 |
siretart | he extracts some libs from i386 arch and copys them into an amd64 binary package | 08:37 |
siretart | no building at all, just copying them over | 08:37 |
siretart | hm. he seems to need libqt3 for skype | 08:39 |
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