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ograwooh12:01
ograthat'd be cool....12:01
ograi saw him at fosdem last year12:01
tsengugh come on dyer12:02
tsenglaundry sucks12:02
tsengi want to leave12:02
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goedsonHi ogra.12:21
ograhey goedson12:21
goedsonogra: Now that gnomebaker has entered universe and Debian, is there anything I must do to keep it updated in universe or is the synchronization with Debian done automatically?12:22
ajmitchhi12:22
ajmitchsync done automagically until UpstreamVersionFreeze12:22
ajmitchat which point we can request manual syncs of packages in universe12:23
ogragoedson, its done automatically...only if you want to make lspecific ubuntu changes you need to touch it12:23
ogra-l12:23
goedsonOK.12:24
goedsonBut Hoary's Univerve is frozen, right? I should backport new versions of the package for Hoary, if I want to prove12:26
goedsons/prove/provide such support/12:26
ajmitch_he said the word! ;)12:26
ograeeek12:29
ogragoedson, but you'd have to keep them in your own repo, uploads go only to breezy now...12:31
schweebajmitch_: backport backport backport :p12:36
ograbooo12:36
ajmitch_be glad you're not going to UDU, otherwise we'd have to 'talk' to you12:36
ograhehe12:36
schweebI just said the words, I don't stand behind them :)12:38
goedsonogra: right. I thought so.12:39
goedsonI'm starting to think you are not big fans of backports.12:40
goedson:)12:40
ograheh, nope, not really....12:41
crimsunwait, did someone say the B word?12:42
ogracrimsun, yeah, several times today :-/12:42
ograbaaad day12:42
crimsunsok I have blinders. I can only see the list of bugs I need to fix ;)12:44
=== ajmitch_ still can't dist-upgrade to breezy :(
ogracrimsun, lucky you.... i have to rewrite nearly the whole patch for the screensaver ....12:45
ogradebian changed a lot12:45
crimsunah, but with coffee it's possible!12:45
crimsunout for a bit, bbl.12:46
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truluxoops01:12
trulux  File "/home/lorenzo/proyectos/ubuntu/redhat-logviewer/src/LogBuffer.py", line 117, in insert_into_buffer_at_offset01:12
trulux    theiconv = iconv_codec.open(self.codeset, 'iso-8859-1')01:12
truluxAttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'open'01:12
truluxI need to check this01:12
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tsengboggle breez-changes03:53
tsengbreezy03:53
ajmitchyeah, it's filled  up nearly 2% of my gmail inbox ;)03:54
tsengbut..03:54
tsengyour inbox is infinty+1!03:55
tsengyou cant fill it.03:55
ajmitchstill a lot of mail03:55
crimsunthat's why I read lists.u.c! :)03:56
ajmitchgmane is great for that03:56
tsengi like their blog view03:56
tsengrss++03:56
ajmitchI prefer nntp03:57
bddebianOh shut up ajmitch03:57
bddebian;-P03:57
ajmitchexcuse me?03:58
bddebianI'm a lamer 'cause I haven't sent your laptop yet.. :'-(03:58
ajmitchso?03:58
ajmitchthat has about 0 relevance to amount of ubuntu mail coming in :)03:58
bddebianWho said anything about relevance, this is IRC d00d.. ;-)03:59
ajmitchtrue..03:59
tsengholy crap, someone wrote a wiki in vim04:00
ajmitchthat's just sick04:00
ajmitchit's expected for emacs, but for vim?04:00
tsengyeah.04:00
Mithrandirtseng: I'm looking forward to the day I can point and shout "bloat, bloat" at vim.04:02
Mithrandir:)04:02
tsenghah04:08
tsengvim rocks my face04:08
schweebtseng: hahah04:14
schweebI posted the link to that wiki thing just yesterday04:15
schweebhahaha04:15
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whiprushtseng: ping05:57
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GheRiverores10:14
siretarthi10:49
ajmitchhey chaps10:57
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tsengwhiprush: pong12:21
ajmitchhi tseng12:26
ajmitchhow goes the mono packaging?12:26
tsengit goes well12:26
tsengbesides stuff that is ahead in debian12:26
tsenggda and sqlite12:27
ajmitchdid a dist-upgrade to breezy today, it went relatively painlessly12:27
tsengand12:27
tsengmono apperantly doesnt build against glibc 2.3.412:27
tsengwe have .412:27
tseng.512:27
ajmitchyeah12:27
tsengnot sure how ill work that out12:28
tsengbut im not running breezy yet12:28
ajmitchinternal libc symbols, apparantly12:28
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tsengi asked about it on #mono and miguel said that certainly isnt the case12:28
ajmitchanother ogra :)12:28
ajmitchperhaps it's just binary packages compiled against libc < 2.3.4?12:28
tsengi think the build12:29
ajmitchwhere's the 1.1.x packages around for me to test out on breezy?12:29
tsengi was running it until he did the gda transition12:29
tsengk one sec12:29
ajmitchmeebey did put them somewhere12:29
tseng #deb http://debian.meebey.net/ ./12:30
ajmitchok12:30
ajmitchwill download & try compile12:31
tsengoh12:31
tsengthe sources are in svn on alioth12:31
ajmitchpkg-mono?12:32
tsengyes.12:32
ajmitchI've got that checked out on my sid box, one sec..12:32
tsengi guess id better upgrade to breezy12:32
ajmitchwhat's needed to build from svn properly?12:33
tsengi was hoping you could tell me12:34
ajmitchheh12:34
tsengsomething to do with svn-buildpkg12:34
ajmitchright12:34
tsengok ill upgrade12:34
tsengive been testing the binaries for a few weeks12:35
ajmitchseems to be an awful lot of files in this svn checkout12:36
tseng260 upgraded =/12:36
tseng26 newly installed!12:36
ajmitchnot too bad12:36
tsengoo.org212:36
tsengblah12:36
ajmitch:0:> find /usr/local/src/cvs/pkg-mono | wc -l12:37
ajmitch2415312:37
tsengoh and 2.6.1112:37
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Burgundaviatseng, upgrades to breezy are going to be fun12:38
tsengim doing one now12:38
Burgundaviaam going to wait a few weeks12:38
ajmitchI haven't rebooted yet12:38
ajmitchbut gnome still comes up ok12:39
=== ajmitch doesn't quite follow how they are building the packages with svn-buildpackage
tsengi might have a few hours to hack around on sunday12:41
ajmitchcli-common is needed, but there's not a complete package there12:42
tsengdajobe said the docs blew12:42
tsenghm yeah? if something is wrong ask meebey and he will fix12:42
tsengcool guy.12:42
ajmitchsorry, not a complete package in svn12:42
ajmitchmaybe mono stuff will have to be discussed at udu as well, since it might get into main for breezy12:43
tsengyes12:43
tsengjdub gave me beagle12:43
ajmitchgreat12:43
ajmitchhow's it looking?12:44
tsengi mean, he gave me his maintainer badge12:44
BurgundaviaI am running .9 here, has borked completely, the daemon that is12:44
tsengim running beagle .9 on meebeys mono atm12:44
tsengworks great.12:44
tsengBurgundavia: you cant run .9 on our current mono in hoary12:44
Burgundaviatseng, I got new mono as well, from the same repo12:45
ajmitchwhat system changes does it require? user_xattr?12:45
Burgundaviayep12:45
Burgundaviahttp://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall12:45
tsenguser+xattr for /home12:45
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tsengoh jeez12:46
tsengthe manno repository again12:46
ajmitch?12:46
Burgundaviatseng, what is wrong with the manno repo?12:46
tsengit sucks12:46
ajmitchserious crack?12:46
tsengneed a list?12:46
tsengi have one.12:47
Burgundaviaif you have a better repo, I would love it12:47
tsengjust posted12:47
Burgundaviawhere?12:47
tsenghere12:47
tsengbut it wont work straight up on hoary, its for sid12:47
Burgundaviahttp://debian.meebey.net/ ./, this one?12:47
tsengwe'll be working on building it for breezy12:47
tsengyes12:47
Burgundaviawhat is borked?12:47
tsengit is built against newer sqlite and gda12:48
tsengthan hoary12:48
Burgundaviaok, does that break things?12:48
tsengits not installable12:48
tsengwithout work12:48
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Burgundaviahmm12:49
Burgundaviathen I will wait until breezy12:49
tsengoh jeez that page is by HulaBeagleSeb12:49
ajmitchI'll see if these binary packages will work as-is on breezy12:49
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tsengi use tomboy12:50
tsengor f-spot has even less deps12:50
tsengtry f-spot :P12:50
ajmitch:0:> tomboy12:51
ajmitchmono: relocation error: mono: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference12:51
ajmitch[ajmitch @ athanasius @ 22:50:24 pwd=~/debs/mono/1.1/pkg-mono/pkg-mono] 12:51
Burgundaviahttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17296812:51
tsengah owned12:51
BurgundaviaI love this bug12:51
ajmitchyeah12:51
ajmitchwill try a recompile12:51
tsengok12:52
ajmitchgot to find the 0pre4 diff.gz first12:52
tsengi will later12:52
ajmitchor get it working from svn12:52
tsengask meebey :D12:52
ajmitchheh12:53
ajmitchhe's probably afk12:53
Burgundaviatseng, is mono a go for main in breezy?12:53
tsengits a go for breezy12:53
tsengpossibly in main12:53
tsengwe'll see :P12:53
Burgundaviahopefully12:53
Burgundaviathen we will be the 2nd major distro to ship with it12:54
ajmitchyeah, I don't think pnet will be seen in main anytime soon ;)12:54
Burgundaviapnet?12:54
ajmitchheh, that's one reason why12:54
ajmitchdotgnu portable.net12:54
ajmitchthe other free CLR12:55
Burgundaviaright12:55
Burgundaviawhy two?12:55
Burgundaviawhy does FLOSS always have to have 2 implementations12:55
Burgundavianot really a rant12:55
tsengyes i need to go out for most of the day12:57
tsenglet me know what you find out aj12:57
tsengajmitch.12:57
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ajmitchthe official story is that pnet started about 6 months before mono12:58
ajmitchrhys & miguel never got on12:58
ajmitchthere was some code sharing, in small places12:58
ajmitchand pnet can use most of the higher level class libs12:58
tsengi find it hard to not get along with miguel12:58
tsengbut.. bye :)12:59
ajmitchbye tseng :)12:59
Burgundaviacya12:59
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ajmitchBurgundavia: I'm sure you've noticed that about 99% of people who think of C# on linux think only of mono01:00
ajmitchwhich indicates somewhat how things are :)01:00
BurgundaviaI didn't knwo about .gnu until I found it searching for mono stuff01:00
ajmitchpnet was a very impressive undertaking, as it is about 80% rhy's code01:00
ajmitchabout 1 million lines over about 3 years01:01
Burgundaviahmm01:01
Burgundaviabut mono produced things like fspot and beagle01:01
Burgundaviaand won the mindshare though pretty apps01:01
ajmitchno, people wrote apps like f-spot & beagle on mono01:01
ajmitchonce mono was well known & popular01:01
ajmitchmono had the mindshare already with miguel & ximian backing it01:02
Burgundaviamono is increasingly becoming the thing to have01:02
ajmitchaha, mono is building01:02
Burgundaviaall the mee tooers want their beagle01:02
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ajmitchsure, not much useful stuff runs just out-of-the-box for pnet01:03
ajmitchthere's always the small bugs that held it up01:03
Burgundaviaah, the killer small bugs01:03
ajmitchand the fact that most work went into the compiler & core libs01:04
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ajmitchhello bddebian01:04
ajmitchthis should be interesting to see if a rebuild from source works01:04
bddebianMorning ajmitch01:04
ajmitchperhaps I should do this on my main box - my breezy box is a little slow01:07
ajmitchbddebian: so what's new?01:09
bddebianJust woke up.  You? :-)01:11
\shhmmm...01:19
\shtheres something wrong with psi01:19
ajmitchbddebian: hacking packages again01:19
\shand its wrong in debian/ubuntu01:20
\shno..its wrong in psi01:21
ajmitch\sh: feel free to fix it ;)01:21
\shajmitch: well...i'm comparing packages between ubuntu/debian and gentoo ;)01:21
bddebianajmitch: Hey, why aren't you hackin' on Hurd then?? ;-P01:22
ajmitchbddebian: because this is far more fun & rewarding :D01:22
bddebian:'-(01:23
\shbugfixes are going also in hoary as updates or sec-updates?01:23
ajmitchand I can use ubuntu for work - I can't use the Hurd for a production system01:23
ajmitch\sh: only major, critical fixes01:23
\shajmitch: issues with functionality only for breezy?01:24
ajmitchafaik, yes01:24
ajmitchat a guess, the same bugfix policy applies to main & universe01:25
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\shlemme fix it first ;)01:26
\shcause the gpg stuff is wrong...01:27
ajmitchnight all01:55
ogra_night ajmitch01:59
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\shhoi ogra01:59
\shogra_: you should go and sleep for the night flight ;) so u don't have a jet lag...and drink beer and whiskey during the flight..helps to avoid the jetlag as well ;)02:00
ogra_gah, dont drink and fly02:00
\shand I'm fixing this bloody psi gpg thingy here right now ;)02:00
\shogra_: well...last time I came back from the states...i was looking like a junky...tired, drunk and my eyes, u know, customs checked me on drugs ;)02:02
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BurgundaviaI think I must be missing something02:13
BurgundaviaI add a .desktop to the sources02:13
Burgundaviathen I add a install file in /debian with the name of the file and where it goes02:13
Burgundaviawhat else do I need to do?02:13
BurgundaviaI have been beating my head against a wall for some time now trying to figure out what the heck I am missing02:14
Burgundaviaas it must be simple02:14
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\sh*grmpf*02:40
\shproblem is in psi itself...it requires normally a gnupg-agent tool...only if you're working with psi --no-gpg-agent it works correctly02:40
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hervehello04:14
bddebianHello herve04:16
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SeamusLTHey guys, when you start rolling out updated packages will they be breezy only or will hoary get some too?04:41
Burgundaviaonly critical bug fixes04:42
Burgundaviaand some security updates04:42
SeamusLTThis applies to the universe/multiverse as well?04:42
hervesure04:42
hervehoary is now rock-solid for production use04:43
SeamusLTHow much do you guys think I'll break by using a breezy universe/multiverse?04:43
hervemuch if you're not ready04:44
hervethat's the price of wanting bleeding-edge packages04:44
SeamusLTWell I suppose some things would be safe, such as if I wanted to get the latest freeciv or something04:46
hervewe are transitionning to gcc 4.004:47
herveI'm not confident about a mix of hoary base and breezy binaries04:47
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hervehi koke04:48
SeamusLTherve:  Now that you say that, I'm not either04:48
herveSeamusLT, I'll say you should wait a couple of month to switch04:49
herveif you're still adventurous, I mean04:49
kokehi all!04:49
herveSeamusLT, another option is to recompile latest freeciv source package for hoary04:50
herveif build dependencies are present of course04:50
hervekoke, I'm a motu !!!04:50
SeamusLTherve Yeah I'm going to do that, probably use dpkg to make it work well with the package management04:50
kokeherve: great!!04:51
SeamusLTherve isn't gcc4 still a beta?04:51
kokeactually I thought you already were :D04:51
herveSeamusLT, I'm not the right person to ask that04:52
hervekoke, in theory maybe, but my gpg key wasn't approved04:52
kokeoh, I know04:53
kokeI can't upload yet :(04:53
herveI sympathize -:)04:55
kokew0w! I found a quite strange bug04:57
kokehttp://koke.amedias.org/img/ethereal-bizarre.png04:57
SeamusLTherve:  Good luck GCC4 then.  I was reading a gentoo thread about a year ago when it was still alpha, about 45 pages of people trying to compile working systems with it04:58
herveSeamusLT, I can't really consider gentoo users trying to fsck up their system with an alpha-stage gcc :-)05:10
hervekoke, hoary/breezy?05:11
kokeno, hoary05:11
kokeand a bit outdated05:11
kokebut it's quite bizarre anyway05:12
kokeI'll update05:12
herzihi05:13
hervehi herzi05:13
herveouch05:14
hervethe debian package seem in need of DD activity05:14
hervekoke, I don't have it in breezy05:16
herveit's 0.10.10-1ubuntu105:16
SeamusLTherve:  Heh don't know why anyone would want to do such a thing05:47
\shSeamusLT: there r some guys in the gentoo world06:11
schweebthis is gonna be... .interesting06:12
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\shhave fune :)06:12
\sh-e06:12
\shnice...my private internet radio is streaming :)06:14
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siretarthas anyone had a look at subterrifics ia32-libs-more package?08:33
siretartI found some threads in the forums referencing them08:33
herveI guess it's for 64-bit architectures?08:34
siretartexactly08:35
siretartmore 32bit libs for amd6408:35
herveI don't think I can help you much08:36
siretartwell, funny08:37
siretarthe extracts some libs from i386 arch and copys them into an amd64 binary package08:37
siretartno building at all, just copying them over08:37
siretarthm. he seems to need libqt3 for skype08:39
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