[12:01] <ogra> wooh
[12:01] <ogra> that'd be cool....
[12:01] <ogra> i saw him at fosdem last year
[12:02] <tseng> ugh come on dyer
[12:02] <tseng> laundry sucks
[12:02] <tseng> i want to leave
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[12:21] <goedson> Hi ogra.
[12:21] <ogra> hey goedson
[12:22] <goedson> ogra: Now that gnomebaker has entered universe and Debian, is there anything I must do to keep it updated in universe or is the synchronization with Debian done automatically?
[12:22] <ajmitch> hi
[12:22] <ajmitch> sync done automagically until UpstreamVersionFreeze
[12:23] <ajmitch> at which point we can request manual syncs of packages in universe
[12:23] <ogra> goedson, its done automatically...only if you want to make lspecific ubuntu changes you need to touch it
[12:23] <ogra> -l
[12:24] <goedson> OK.
[12:26] <goedson> But Hoary's Univerve is frozen, right? I should backport new versions of the package for Hoary, if I want to prove
[12:26] <goedson> s/prove/provide such support/
[12:26] <ajmitch_> he said the word! ;)
[12:29] <ogra> eeek
[12:31] <ogra> goedson, but you'd have to keep them in your own repo, uploads go only to breezy now...
[12:36] <schweeb> ajmitch_: backport backport backport :p
[12:36] <ogra> booo
[12:36] <ajmitch_> be glad you're not going to UDU, otherwise we'd have to 'talk' to you
[12:36] <ogra> hehe
[12:38] <schweeb> I just said the words, I don't stand behind them :)
[12:39] <goedson> ogra: right. I thought so.
[12:40] <goedson> I'm starting to think you are not big fans of backports.
[12:40] <goedson> :)
[12:41] <ogra> heh, nope, not really....
[12:42] <crimsun> wait, did someone say the B word?
[12:42] <ogra> crimsun, yeah, several times today :-/
[12:42] <ogra> baaad day
[12:44] <crimsun> sok I have blinders. I can only see the list of bugs I need to fix ;)
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[12:45] <ogra> crimsun, lucky you.... i have to rewrite nearly the whole patch for the screensaver ....
[12:45] <ogra> debian changed a lot
[12:45] <crimsun> ah, but with coffee it's possible!
[12:46] <crimsun> out for a bit, bbl.
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[01:12] <trulux> oops
[01:12] <trulux>   File "/home/lorenzo/proyectos/ubuntu/redhat-logviewer/src/LogBuffer.py", line 117, in insert_into_buffer_at_offset
[01:12] <trulux>     theiconv = iconv_codec.open(self.codeset, 'iso-8859-1')
[01:12] <trulux> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'open'
[01:12] <trulux> I need to check this
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[03:53] <tseng> boggle breez-changes
[03:53] <tseng> breezy
[03:54] <ajmitch> yeah, it's filled  up nearly 2% of my gmail inbox ;)
[03:54] <tseng> but..
[03:55] <tseng> your inbox is infinty+1!
[03:55] <tseng> you cant fill it.
[03:55] <ajmitch> still a lot of mail
[03:56] <crimsun> that's why I read lists.u.c! :)
[03:56] <ajmitch> gmane is great for that
[03:56] <tseng> i like their blog view
[03:56] <tseng> rss++
[03:57] <ajmitch> I prefer nntp
[03:57] <bddebian> Oh shut up ajmitch
[03:57] <bddebian> ;-P
[03:58] <ajmitch> excuse me?
[03:58] <bddebian> I'm a lamer 'cause I haven't sent your laptop yet.. :'-(
[03:58] <ajmitch> so?
[03:58] <ajmitch> that has about 0 relevance to amount of ubuntu mail coming in :)
[03:59] <bddebian> Who said anything about relevance, this is IRC d00d.. ;-)
[03:59] <ajmitch> true..
[04:00] <tseng> holy crap, someone wrote a wiki in vim
[04:00] <ajmitch> that's just sick
[04:00] <ajmitch> it's expected for emacs, but for vim?
[04:00] <tseng> yeah.
[04:02] <Mithrandir> tseng: I'm looking forward to the day I can point and shout "bloat, bloat" at vim.
[04:02] <Mithrandir> :)
[04:08] <tseng> hah
[04:08] <tseng> vim rocks my face
[04:14] <schweeb> tseng: hahah
[04:15] <schweeb> I posted the link to that wiki thing just yesterday
[04:15] <schweeb> hahaha
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[05:57] <whiprush> tseng: ping
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[10:14] <GheRivero> res
[10:49] <siretart> hi
[10:57] <ajmitch> hey chaps
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[12:21] <tseng> whiprush: pong
[12:26] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[12:26] <ajmitch> how goes the mono packaging?
[12:26] <tseng> it goes well
[12:26] <tseng> besides stuff that is ahead in debian
[12:27] <tseng> gda and sqlite
[12:27] <ajmitch> did a dist-upgrade to breezy today, it went relatively painlessly
[12:27] <tseng> and
[12:27] <tseng> mono apperantly doesnt build against glibc 2.3.4
[12:27] <tseng> we have .4
[12:27] <tseng> .5
[12:27] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:28] <tseng> not sure how ill work that out
[12:28] <tseng> but im not running breezy yet
[12:28] <ajmitch> internal libc symbols, apparantly
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[12:28] <tseng> i asked about it on #mono and miguel said that certainly isnt the case
[12:28] <ajmitch> another ogra :)
[12:28] <ajmitch> perhaps it's just binary packages compiled against libc < 2.3.4?
[12:29] <tseng> i think the build
[12:29] <ajmitch> where's the 1.1.x packages around for me to test out on breezy?
[12:29] <tseng> i was running it until he did the gda transition
[12:29] <tseng> k one sec
[12:29] <ajmitch> meebey did put them somewhere
[12:30] <tseng>  #deb http://debian.meebey.net/ ./
[12:30] <ajmitch> ok
[12:31] <ajmitch> will download & try compile
[12:31] <tseng> oh
[12:31] <tseng> the sources are in svn on alioth
[12:32] <ajmitch> pkg-mono?
[12:32] <tseng> yes.
[12:32] <ajmitch> I've got that checked out on my sid box, one sec..
[12:32] <tseng> i guess id better upgrade to breezy
[12:33] <ajmitch> what's needed to build from svn properly?
[12:34] <tseng> i was hoping you could tell me
[12:34] <ajmitch> heh
[12:34] <tseng> something to do with svn-buildpkg
[12:34] <ajmitch> right
[12:34] <tseng> ok ill upgrade
[12:35] <tseng> ive been testing the binaries for a few weeks
[12:36] <ajmitch> seems to be an awful lot of files in this svn checkout
[12:36] <tseng> 260 upgraded =/
[12:36] <tseng> 26 newly installed!
[12:36] <ajmitch> not too bad
[12:36] <tseng> oo.org2
[12:36] <tseng> blah
[12:37] <ajmitch> :0:> find /usr/local/src/cvs/pkg-mono | wc -l
[12:37] <ajmitch> 24153
[12:37] <tseng> oh and 2.6.11
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[12:38] <Burgundavia> tseng, upgrades to breezy are going to be fun
[12:38] <tseng> im doing one now
[12:38] <Burgundavia> am going to wait a few weeks
[12:38] <ajmitch> I haven't rebooted yet
[12:39] <ajmitch> but gnome still comes up ok
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[12:41] <tseng> i might have a few hours to hack around on sunday
[12:42] <ajmitch> cli-common is needed, but there's not a complete package there
[12:42] <tseng> dajobe said the docs blew
[12:42] <tseng> hm yeah? if something is wrong ask meebey and he will fix
[12:42] <tseng> cool guy.
[12:42] <ajmitch> sorry, not a complete package in svn
[12:43] <ajmitch> maybe mono stuff will have to be discussed at udu as well, since it might get into main for breezy
[12:43] <tseng> yes
[12:43] <tseng> jdub gave me beagle
[12:43] <ajmitch> great
[12:44] <ajmitch> how's it looking?
[12:44] <tseng> i mean, he gave me his maintainer badge
[12:44] <Burgundavia> I am running .9 here, has borked completely, the daemon that is
[12:44] <tseng> im running beagle .9 on meebeys mono atm
[12:44] <tseng> works great.
[12:44] <tseng> Burgundavia: you cant run .9 on our current mono in hoary
[12:45] <Burgundavia> tseng, I got new mono as well, from the same repo
[12:45] <ajmitch> what system changes does it require? user_xattr?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> yep
[12:45] <Burgundavia> http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[12:45] <tseng> user+xattr for /home
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[12:46] <tseng> oh jeez
[12:46] <tseng> the manno repository again
[12:46] <ajmitch> ?
[12:46] <Burgundavia> tseng, what is wrong with the manno repo?
[12:46] <tseng> it sucks
[12:46] <ajmitch> serious crack?
[12:46] <tseng> need a list?
[12:47] <tseng> i have one.
[12:47] <Burgundavia> if you have a better repo, I would love it
[12:47] <tseng> just posted
[12:47] <Burgundavia> where?
[12:47] <tseng> here
[12:47] <tseng> but it wont work straight up on hoary, its for sid
[12:47] <Burgundavia> http://debian.meebey.net/ ./, this one?
[12:47] <tseng> we'll be working on building it for breezy
[12:47] <tseng> yes
[12:47] <Burgundavia> what is borked?
[12:48] <tseng> it is built against newer sqlite and gda
[12:48] <tseng> than hoary
[12:48] <Burgundavia> ok, does that break things?
[12:48] <tseng> its not installable
[12:48] <tseng> without work
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[12:49] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:49] <Burgundavia> then I will wait until breezy
[12:49] <tseng> oh jeez that page is by HulaBeagleSeb
[12:49] <ajmitch> I'll see if these binary packages will work as-is on breezy
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[12:50] <tseng> i use tomboy
[12:50] <tseng> or f-spot has even less deps
[12:50] <tseng> try f-spot :P
[12:51] <ajmitch> :0:> tomboy
[12:51] <ajmitch> mono: relocation error: mono: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
[12:51] <ajmitch> [ajmitch @ athanasius @ 22:50:24 pwd=~/debs/mono/1.1/pkg-mono/pkg-mono] 
[12:51] <Burgundavia> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172968
[12:51] <tseng> ah owned
[12:51] <Burgundavia> I love this bug
[12:51] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:51] <ajmitch> will try a recompile
[12:52] <tseng> ok
[12:52] <ajmitch> got to find the 0pre4 diff.gz first
[12:52] <tseng> i will later
[12:52] <ajmitch> or get it working from svn
[12:52] <tseng> ask meebey :D
[12:53] <ajmitch> heh
[12:53] <ajmitch> he's probably afk
[12:53] <Burgundavia> tseng, is mono a go for main in breezy?
[12:53] <tseng> its a go for breezy
[12:53] <tseng> possibly in main
[12:53] <tseng> we'll see :P
[12:53] <Burgundavia> hopefully
[12:54] <Burgundavia> then we will be the 2nd major distro to ship with it
[12:54] <ajmitch> yeah, I don't think pnet will be seen in main anytime soon ;)
[12:54] <Burgundavia> pnet?
[12:54] <ajmitch> heh, that's one reason why
[12:54] <ajmitch> dotgnu portable.net
[12:55] <ajmitch> the other free CLR
[12:55] <Burgundavia> right
[12:55] <Burgundavia> why two?
[12:55] <Burgundavia> why does FLOSS always have to have 2 implementations
[12:55] <Burgundavia> not really a rant
[12:57] <tseng> yes i need to go out for most of the day
[12:57] <tseng> let me know what you find out aj	
[12:57] <tseng> ajmitch.
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[12:58] <ajmitch> the official story is that pnet started about 6 months before mono
[12:58] <ajmitch> rhys & miguel never got on
[12:58] <ajmitch> there was some code sharing, in small places
[12:58] <ajmitch> and pnet can use most of the higher level class libs
[12:58] <tseng> i find it hard to not get along with miguel
[12:59] <tseng> but.. bye :)
[12:59] <ajmitch> bye tseng :)
[12:59] <Burgundavia> cya
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[01:00] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I'm sure you've noticed that about 99% of people who think of C# on linux think only of mono
[01:00] <ajmitch> which indicates somewhat how things are :)
[01:00] <Burgundavia> I didn't knwo about .gnu until I found it searching for mono stuff
[01:00] <ajmitch> pnet was a very impressive undertaking, as it is about 80% rhy's code
[01:01] <ajmitch> about 1 million lines over about 3 years
[01:01] <Burgundavia> hmm
[01:01] <Burgundavia> but mono produced things like fspot and beagle
[01:01] <Burgundavia> and won the mindshare though pretty apps
[01:01] <ajmitch> no, people wrote apps like f-spot & beagle on mono
[01:01] <ajmitch> once mono was well known & popular
[01:02] <ajmitch> mono had the mindshare already with miguel & ximian backing it
[01:02] <Burgundavia> mono is increasingly becoming the thing to have
[01:02] <ajmitch> aha, mono is building
[01:02] <Burgundavia> all the mee tooers want their beagle
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[01:03] <ajmitch> sure, not much useful stuff runs just out-of-the-box for pnet
[01:03] <ajmitch> there's always the small bugs that held it up
[01:03] <Burgundavia> ah, the killer small bugs
[01:04] <ajmitch> and the fact that most work went into the compiler & core libs
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[01:04] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[01:04] <ajmitch> this should be interesting to see if a rebuild from source works
[01:04] <bddebian> Morning ajmitch
[01:07] <ajmitch> perhaps I should do this on my main box - my breezy box is a little slow
[01:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: so what's new?
[01:11] <bddebian> Just woke up.  You? :-)
[01:19] <\sh> hmmm...
[01:19] <\sh> theres something wrong with psi
[01:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: hacking packages again
[01:20] <\sh> and its wrong in debian/ubuntu
[01:21] <\sh> no..its wrong in psi
[01:21] <ajmitch> \sh: feel free to fix it ;)
[01:21] <\sh> ajmitch: well...i'm comparing packages between ubuntu/debian and gentoo ;)
[01:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey, why aren't you hackin' on Hurd then?? ;-P
[01:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: because this is far more fun & rewarding :D
[01:23] <bddebian> :'-(
[01:23] <\sh> bugfixes are going also in hoary as updates or sec-updates?
[01:23] <ajmitch> and I can use ubuntu for work - I can't use the Hurd for a production system
[01:23] <ajmitch> \sh: only major, critical fixes
[01:24] <\sh> ajmitch: issues with functionality only for breezy?
[01:24] <ajmitch> afaik, yes
[01:25] <ajmitch> at a guess, the same bugfix policy applies to main & universe
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[01:26] <\sh> lemme fix it first ;)
[01:27] <\sh> cause the gpg stuff is wrong...
[01:55] <ajmitch> night all
[01:59] <ogra_> night ajmitch
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[01:59] <\sh> hoi ogra
[02:00] <\sh> ogra_: you should go and sleep for the night flight ;) so u don't have a jet lag...and drink beer and whiskey during the flight..helps to avoid the jetlag as well ;)
[02:00] <ogra_> gah, dont drink and fly
[02:00] <\sh> and I'm fixing this bloody psi gpg thingy here right now ;)
[02:02] <\sh> ogra_: well...last time I came back from the states...i was looking like a junky...tired, drunk and my eyes, u know, customs checked me on drugs ;)
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[02:13] <Burgundavia> I think I must be missing something
[02:13] <Burgundavia> I add a .desktop to the sources
[02:13] <Burgundavia> then I add a install file in /debian with the name of the file and where it goes
[02:13] <Burgundavia> what else do I need to do?
[02:14] <Burgundavia> I have been beating my head against a wall for some time now trying to figure out what the heck I am missing
[02:14] <Burgundavia> as it must be simple
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[02:40] <\sh> *grmpf*
[02:40] <\sh> problem is in psi itself...it requires normally a gnupg-agent tool...only if you're working with psi --no-gpg-agent it works correctly
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[04:14] <herve> hello
[04:16] <bddebian> Hello herve
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[04:41] <SeamusLT> Hey guys, when you start rolling out updated packages will they be breezy only or will hoary get some too?
[04:42] <Burgundavia> only critical bug fixes
[04:42] <Burgundavia> and some security updates
[04:42] <SeamusLT> This applies to the universe/multiverse as well?
[04:42] <herve> sure
[04:43] <herve> hoary is now rock-solid for production use
[04:43] <SeamusLT> How much do you guys think I'll break by using a breezy universe/multiverse?
[04:44] <herve> much if you're not ready
[04:44] <herve> that's the price of wanting bleeding-edge packages
[04:46] <SeamusLT> Well I suppose some things would be safe, such as if I wanted to get the latest freeciv or something
[04:47] <herve> we are transitionning to gcc 4.0
[04:47] <herve> I'm not confident about a mix of hoary base and breezy binaries
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[04:48] <herve> hi koke
[04:48] <SeamusLT> herve:  Now that you say that, I'm not either
[04:49] <herve> SeamusLT, I'll say you should wait a couple of month to switch
[04:49] <herve> if you're still adventurous, I mean
[04:49] <koke> hi all!
[04:50] <herve> SeamusLT, another option is to recompile latest freeciv source package for hoary
[04:50] <herve> if build dependencies are present of course
[04:50] <herve> koke, I'm a motu !!!
[04:50] <SeamusLT> herve Yeah I'm going to do that, probably use dpkg to make it work well with the package management
[04:51] <koke> herve: great!!
[04:51] <SeamusLT> herve isn't gcc4 still a beta?
[04:51] <koke> actually I thought you already were :D
[04:52] <herve> SeamusLT, I'm not the right person to ask that
[04:52] <herve> koke, in theory maybe, but my gpg key wasn't approved
[04:53] <koke> oh, I know
[04:53] <koke> I can't upload yet :(
[04:55] <herve> I sympathize -:)
[04:57] <koke> w0w! I found a quite strange bug
[04:57] <koke> http://koke.amedias.org/img/ethereal-bizarre.png
[04:58] <SeamusLT> herve:  Good luck GCC4 then.  I was reading a gentoo thread about a year ago when it was still alpha, about 45 pages of people trying to compile working systems with it
[05:10] <herve> SeamusLT, I can't really consider gentoo users trying to fsck up their system with an alpha-stage gcc :-)
[05:11] <herve> koke, hoary/breezy?
[05:11] <koke> no, hoary
[05:11] <koke> and a bit outdated
[05:12] <koke> but it's quite bizarre anyway
[05:12] <koke> I'll update
[05:13] <herzi> hi
[05:13] <herve> hi herzi
[05:14] <herve> ouch
[05:14] <herve> the debian package seem in need of DD activity
[05:16] <herve> koke, I don't have it in breezy
[05:16] <herve> it's 0.10.10-1ubuntu1
[05:47] <SeamusLT> herve:  Heh don't know why anyone would want to do such a thing
[06:11] <\sh> SeamusLT: there r some guys in the gentoo world
[06:12] <schweeb> this is gonna be... .interesting
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[06:12] <\sh> have fune :)
[06:12] <\sh> -e
[06:14] <\sh> nice...my private internet radio is streaming :)
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[08:33] <siretart> has anyone had a look at subterrifics ia32-libs-more package?
[08:33] <siretart> I found some threads in the forums referencing them
[08:34] <herve> I guess it's for 64-bit architectures?
[08:35] <siretart> exactly
[08:35] <siretart> more 32bit libs for amd64
[08:36] <herve> I don't think I can help you much
[08:37] <siretart> well, funny
[08:37] <siretart> he extracts some libs from i386 arch and copys them into an amd64 binary package
[08:37] <siretart> no building at all, just copying them over
[08:39] <siretart> hm. he seems to need libqt3 for skype
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