[12:00] <mikeco> ntfs is as simple as building the kernel module
[12:00] <fazer> crimsun, here you go: http://pastebin.com/271798
[12:00] <ryanblack> what I meant is those three things need to work for me to want to start using this as my main desktop os
[12:00] <mikeco> well, wifi isn't all that hard to get to work
[12:00] <ryanblack> I know ntfs read-only works great on most things...
[12:00] <mikeco> depending on the card
[12:00] <ryanblack> know anything about what is in the netgear 56g pci card.../
[12:01] <ryanblack> I guess I could google the chipset
[12:01] <mikeco> yep
[12:01] <crimsun> Kabuto: ok, so ALSA's fine at least, which I thought. In System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audiosink, what is chosen?
[12:01] <fazer> delire, hmm, okay, how do I go back to openbox again? i tried to do it again but it gave me an error saying that a window manager was running.
[12:01] <delire> mikeco hmm i didn't suspect there was. Ubuntu's DRI setup worked fine for PPC on some eMacs not so long ago. actually had better 3D performance than in native OSX
[12:01] <goron> I installed ubuntu, but I heard last weekm that after you installed it, you will only get bug-fixes. I want the equivalent of Debian Unstable. Does Ubuntu has that?
[12:01] <mikeco> delire, yeah, sometimes it works great
[12:01] <delire> fazer: 'killall metacity && openbox' didn't work?
[12:01] <crimsun> oh dear, the neomagic driver
[12:02] <mikeco> it worked great on my ibook and powerbook 500
[12:02] <crimsun> ...yeah, that one has known issues, fazer.
[12:02] <mikeco> didn't work so great on my powerbook 866
[12:02] <mikeco> erm, 800
[12:02] <Kabuto> crimsun, where, the GNOME menu?
[12:02] <crimsun> Kabuto: System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector  (Hoary+)
[12:02] <fazer> crimsun, shits...so...what shall I do?
[12:03] <ryanblack> well thank you all that answered my questions.. I think I'll frequent this room often... bye.. and thanks again!
[12:03] <crimsun> fazer: short or long answer?
[12:03] <delire> mikeco you still keep Ubuntu on those machines?
[12:03] <delire> ryanblack a pleasure ;)
[12:03] <fazer> crimsun, both please.
[12:03] <mikeco> i just started using ubuntu, but i've used linux on a ppc for a /long/ time
[12:03] <crimsun> fazer: new video chipset.
[12:03] <Kabuto> I am on warthy, maybe that's why I don't have that
[12:03] <fazer> crimsun, on my thinkpad?
[12:03] <fazer> how...cna that be done?
[12:03] <crimsun> fazer: new system then
[12:03] <Kabuto> crimsun: I am on warthy, maybe that's why I don't have that
[12:04] <crimsun> fazer: the long answer I'm still typing
[12:04] <fazer> crimsun, okay.
[12:04] <delire> hehe
[12:04] <crimsun> Kabuto: open a terminal and execute gstreamer-properties
[12:04] <fazer> delire, alright, on openbox now, don't really notice it being very low on resources though
[12:04] <fazer> what does 'killall metacity' do?
[12:05] <Kabuto> crimsun, input oss, output esd
[12:05] <thoreauputic> fazer: zaps the gnome default window manager :)
[12:05] <fazer> thoreauputic, Aaah.
[12:05] <noob1221> I know how to configure my soundcard under a 2.4 kernel, can anyone tell me how to do it with a 2.6 kernel?
[12:05] <crimsun> Kabuto: and was esound running?
[12:06] <delire> fazer: kills metacity, the default window manager. if you want to run openbox exlcusively you need to 'touch ~/.xinitrc && echo openbox >> ~/.xinitrc' (assuming you **don't have one already**)
[12:06] <crimsun> noob1221: what sound card?
[12:06] <crimsun> Kabuto: rather, esd
[12:06] <fazer> delire, aaah.
[12:06] <Kabuto> crimsun, no idea
[12:06] <fazer> why does touch do? creates a file?
[12:06] <delire> fazer: hmm make that 'echo "exec openbox"'
[12:06] <crimsun> fazer: updates mtime
[12:06] <delire> fazer yep, an empty file
[12:06] <thoreauputic> delire: ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession?
[12:06] <fazer> aaah okay.
[12:06] <Kabuto> fazer, create an empty file
[12:06] <delire> thoreauputic either really. hmm though gdm..
[12:07] <mikeco> brb\
[12:07] <delire> thoreauputic perhaps you're right
[12:07] <noob1221> crimun, it is a specian version of the Crystal CS423x sound chip, which worked with the CS4232 audio driver
[12:07] <sparkling> hi all
[12:07] <noob1221> crimun imb thinkpad 600e
[12:07] <delire> fazer a change to that command. thoreauputic suggests something wise.
[12:07] <thoreauputic> delire: in debian distros, i think .xsession, though .xinitrc works too (not sure of the difference0
[12:07] <fazer> delire, hmmm?
[12:07] <delire> fazer: kills metacity, the default window manager. if you want to run openbox exlcusively you need to 'touch ~/.xsession && echo openbox >> ~/.xsession'
[12:07] <sparkling> i've an ati radeon 9600 se vga card, how can i configure to use the 3d acceleration?
[12:07] <fazer> crimsun, so, what is the long ansewr?
[12:08] <fazer> delire, .xsession isn't created by default?
[12:08] <delire> thoreauputic well .xsession looks after sessions so will step over gdm
[12:08] <delire> fazer do you have an ~/.xsession already?
[12:08] <crimsun> fazer: the long answer is that there might be some obscure Xaa option you can pass in; I haven't located one on the XFree86 web site, but you might have better luck searching Google
[12:08] <manuel_> after one week doing "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" ther is not any new package
[12:08] <fazer> delire, no =(
[12:08] <manuel_> is normal?
[12:08] <fazer> crimsun, oh, damn =(
[12:08] <crimsun> Kabuto: pgrep esd
[12:08] <fazer> I tink I will post this on the forums
[12:08] <Kabuto> crimsun, when I click on Test buttons there, it says there was a problem routing
[12:08] <delire> fazer good! make one.. and then try it.
[12:09] <fazer> see how other 600e users are doing.
[12:09] <crimsun> noob1221: so...snd-cs4232 or snd-cs4236?
[12:09] <delire> fazer you know about http://google.com/linux?
[12:09] <smouche> manuel_, since the hoary distro is now stable, I'd say that yes, that's normal.
[12:09] <fazer> delire, yeah, why?
[12:10] <noob1221> crimun cs4232 under kernel 2.4
[12:10] <delire> fazer focus your searches. often in linux related channels when people say 'google' they mean that ;)
[12:10] <fazer> delire, hehe thanks.
[12:10] <Kabuto> crimsun, nothing on pgrep esd
[12:10] <smouche> checking once a week, maybe, for security upgrades, should be fine, manuel_ - perhaps someone else will correct me if I'm wrong on that
[12:10] <delire> fazer i notice your card is a bit shaky.. crimsun suggested googling so i thought i'd mention it
[12:10] <crimsun> Kabuto: ok, you need Enable sound server start up in the Sound menu
[12:10] <fazer> delire, thanks.
[12:11] <manuel_> ok, thanks
[12:11] <Marble2> is there a good program for linux to mass edit id3 tags? like tag&rename for windows.
[12:11] <Kabuto> crimsun, how?
[12:11] <delire> crimsun what is you professional opinion about the future of esd. i see it causing nothing but woes for gnome users generally for very little benefit.
[12:11] <noob1221> fazer crimun, there is a great website for the 2.4 kernels from ibm, but I really am VERY new to the 2.6 kernel
[12:11] <noob1221> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4BP6Q6.html
[12:11] <crimsun> Kabuto: it's in one of the gnome menus...I think Settings, but I'm not in front of a Warty machine
[12:12] <rattboi> I got a question
[12:12] <crimsun> delire: esd will always have a future. Whether that future includes being included in Ubuntu is highly dubious. polypaudio _almost_ made it.
[12:12] <fazer> noob1221, Hmmm.
[12:12] <rattboi> I remember seeing somewhere that there's a package that will add a menu item to reboot straight to windows
[12:12] <rattboi> does anyone know what I'm talking about
[12:12] <rattboi> ?
[12:12] <fazer> crimsun, now, I was trying to modprobe my sound card but that doesn't work
[12:12] <feralcelt> Does anyone know much about problems with grup and dual booting windowsxp?
[12:13] <delire> crimsun interesting..
[12:13] <fazer> crimsun, can you help me with that?
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Marble2: I like Audio Tag ( tagtool in synaptic or apt-get)
[12:13] <noob1221> fazer, my bad : http://linuxfocus.org/~guido/gentoo-tp600e/tp600e-gentoo1.4-config.html, has a gentoo version
[12:13] <delire> thoreauputic what is that?
[12:13] <crimsun> noob1221: / fazer: in bios, do you have an "easy boot" option or "quick boot" option? If so, is it enabled? If it is enabled, disable it.
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Marble2: probably not as full featured as the win one
[12:13] <thoreauputic> delire: mp3 tag editing tool
[12:13] <fazer> crimsun, wait...i think i do, but won't that make my boot times longer?
[12:13] <noob1221> crimun, good advice
[12:14] <delire> thoreauputic ahah
[12:14] <thoreauputic> there's also Easy Tag, but it sucks IMO
[12:14] <crimsun> fazer: what that option does is muck with PnP. You _don't_ want it enabled for ALSA to work.
[12:14] <fazer> noob1221, thanks, let me check into that.
[12:14] <fazer> crimsun, oh okay, let me try it out
[12:15] <rattboi> anyone know a way to directly reboot into windows?
[12:15] <rattboi> it'd probably have to mess with the menu.lst for grub or something
[12:15] <feralcelt> when ever i reboot my machine an extra instance of ubuntu is created in the grub boot loader so now I have about 10-11 versions of ubuntu and one lonley windows xp at the bottom
[12:15] <mcphail> rattboi: set windows as default in grub and select reboot
[12:15] <mikeco> hm
[12:16] <mikeco> does ubuntu install lilo or grub as default?
[12:16] <Marble2> thoreauputic: that's pretty nice, but do you know of anything that allows for grabbing album info from freedb/amazon?
[12:16] <Marble2> mike998: grub
[12:16] <mikeco> because i'm 100% sure i have lilo
[12:16] <bluefoxicy> mikeco: lilo on XFS, else grub
[12:16] <mikeco> ah, that explains it
[12:16] <thoreauputic> Marble2: I believe you can do that with Amarok ( KDE program sort of like Itunes)
[12:16] <ryman> how do I know whats the version of the kernel i'm running ?
[12:17] <crimsun> ryman: uname -r
[12:17] <Marble2> I have amarok actually. There is a musicbrainz funtion to rename files, but it only works for one mp3 at a time
[12:17] <Kabuto> crimsun, is 5.04 running hoary?
[12:17] <rattboi> mcphail, I was hoping for more like a graphical selection from gnome to choose whatever kernel/os in grub
[12:17] <crimsun> Kabuto: 5.04 is Hoary.
[12:17] <mikeco> hrm, glx doesn't work with xcomposite even with the allowglxwithcompsite option
[12:17] <Kabuto> oh, right
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Marble2: virtually every music player has a freedb option, though
[12:18] <noob1221> fazer /etc/modutils/alsa-base  is the file where the options from http://linuxfocus.org/~guido/gentoo-tp600e/tp600e-gentoo1.4-config.html need to be dropped?
[12:18] <ryman> crimsum, thanks
[12:18] <fazer> noob1221, hey, i am not sure...
[12:18] <fazer> I am not really sure what to do.
[12:18] <crimsun> mikeco: what precise syntax for the option are you using?
[12:18] <mcphail> rattboi: what's wrong with selecting after reboot?
[12:18] <rattboi> I have to sit here and wait for it
[12:18] <rattboi> I'd rather choose, reboot, and come back to windows login
[12:18] <fazer> anyways, i will do what crimsun  asked me to do
[12:18] <fazer> lets see if tha tworks.
[12:18] <noob1221> fazer... I back it up and then rip it apart?
[12:19] <mikeco> Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[12:19] <rattboi> mcphail, I've seen it before
[12:19] <rattboi> I just forgot where... :(
[12:19] <crimsun> mikeco: in which section?
[12:19] <mcphail> rattboi: would be an easy script to write
[12:19] <rattboi> Mandrake had the option
[12:19] <mikeco> video device
[12:19] <fazer> noob1221, Uhm... not sure.  but if you are going to be mucking around with it I suggest you back it up first.
[12:19] <fazer> brb
[12:19] <noob1221> fazer... yes..... yes.... the backup....
[12:19] <ryman> i have the same kernel
[12:19] <ryman> but when I do this
[12:20] <rattboi> mcphail, I'm not much of a scripter...
[12:20] <ryman> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 linux-headers-2.6.10
[12:20] <ryman> Password:
[12:20] <ryman> Reading package lists... Done
[12:20] <ryman> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:20] <ryman> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.10
[12:20] <ryman> I got the Errors
[12:20] <crimsun> ryman: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:20] <rattboi> sounds like something you'd do in perl or something
[12:20] <crimsun> ryman: you're mistaking that for linux-source-2.6.10
[12:20] <noob1221> fazer it does contain the sound service lines
[12:20] <mcphail> rattboi: bash would be fine
[12:20] <ryman> I'm following this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211
[12:21] <ryman> to get sound on Audigy soundcard
[12:21] <rattboi> ok, I got another question
[12:22] <ryman> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:22] <ryman> bash: linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386: command not found
[12:22] <rattboi> I'm having some issues with beep media player (all stuff using alsa, actually). If I have my webcam plugged in, it becomes hw0,0
[12:22] <rattboi> if no webcam, my soundcard is hw0,0
[12:22] <Kabuto> I'm installing Hoary. brb
[12:22] <rattboi> so at startup, if the webcam is plugged in, it doesn't find the mixer for the soundcard because it's looking at hw0,0
[12:22] <rattboi> how can I force my soundcard to be hw0,0 at all times?
[12:23] <crimsun> ryman: you don't need to compile anything
[12:23] <crimsun> ryman: all you need to do is unmute the Analog/Digital Output jack using alsamixer
[12:23] <delire> crimsun i'd like to see polypaudio make it through to ubuntu. it seems 1 in 6 users (in here) have sound issues with the new release.
[12:24] <ryman> crimsum
[12:24] <ryman> how do I unmute it ?
[12:24] <crimsun> delire: sadly, an even higher percentage had issues with polypaudio, hence it was ripped out
[12:24] <delire> hmm
[12:24] <crimsun> ryman: press 'm' in alsamixer
[12:24] <rattboi> if polypaudio means hw mixing without me changing a bunch of crap, that'd be awesome
[12:24] <rattboi> any chances of that?
[12:24] <noob1221> does anyone know where sound cards are called and configured.....an equivalent to the gentoo /etc/modules.d/alsa file
[12:25] <fazer> woah
[12:25] <fazer> woah woah owah
[12:25] <fazer> where did my gnome go?!
[12:25] <fazer> i don't see anything
[12:25] <fazer> openbox is weird
[12:25] <delire> crimsun: this issue stopped a big install of Ubuntu at work..
[12:25] <crimsun> rattboi: no. Hardware mixing requires _hardware_ support.
[12:25] <fazer> crimsun, so yeah, I disabled Quick boot, now what shall I do?
[12:25] <crimsun> rattboi: at best if your hardware doesn't support that, you'll have to use software.
[12:25] <rattboi> crimsun, I have hardware support, I believe. It's just hard to set up
[12:25] <delire> fazer hehe 'weird'. fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, waimea. pretty much the same schtick
[12:25] <mikep> hi all
[12:25] <crimsun> fazer: now try modprobe snd-cs4236 isapnp=0
[12:26] <crimsun> rattboi: what sound chipset?
[12:26] <ryman> crimsun, thanks
[12:26] <fazer> crimsun, FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device
[12:26] <delire> hehe
[12:26] <ryman> it works
[12:26] <delire> ztonzy already a fan
[12:26] <fazer> crimsun, FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cs4236
[12:26] <crimsun> ryman: np
[12:26] <ztonzy> delire, hehe
[12:26] <delire> 4232 perhaps fazer?
[12:26] <ztonzy> delire, thanks for help
[12:26] <rattboi> nforce2 mb
[12:27] <fazer> delire, hmm, let me try that
[12:27] <delire> ztonzy no problem
[12:27] <delire> fazer well i don't know. i am just aware there are two cards with very similar numeric id's
[12:27] <crimsun> rattboi: yes, yours does, but Nvidia cannot release the specs for that hardware, hence you're stuck with the standard ac97 support.
[12:27] <crimsun> rattboi: blame them, not ALSA.
[12:27] <rattboi> yeah, that sucks
[12:27] <rattboi> I don't wanna be stuck with OSS
[12:27] <fazer> crimsun, pretty much the same thing.
[12:28] <crimsun> rattboi: you can always use dmix with alsa
[12:28] <crimsun> fazer: eh?
[12:28] <rattboi> dmix is software mixing, right
[12:28] <crimsun> fazer: you tried snd-cs4232 isapnp=0, too ?
[12:28] <fazer> crimsun, did you get my previous message, I get the same rror.
[12:28] <fazer> crimsun, yeah
[12:28] <fazer> wait, I have some stuff in /etc/modules
[12:28] <crimsun> fazer: so you tried both snd-cs4236 and snd-cs4232?
[12:29] <fazer> yes, i tried them again, no luck.
[12:29] <crimsun> fazer: then you'll have to pass all the required parameters
[12:29] <crimsun> fazer: lspnp -v will help
[12:29] <fazer> crimsun, arighty
[12:29] <crimsun> rattboi: yes, at the alsa-lib level
[12:29] <fazer> crimsun, lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available
[12:29] <ryman> can someone help me with mnting others partition ?
[12:29] <Marble2> what utilities are there for linux that can display info like my cpu % usage, ram usage, uptime, etc on my desktop. (i.e samurize in windows)
[12:30] <delire> crimsun: sigh, times like this i think about becoming an ubuntu developer just to cobble together something sensible in the sound department
[12:30] <delire> Marble2 'top'
[12:30] <Marble2> on my desktop
[12:30] <crimsun> delire: go for it. I'm helping with that as a MOTU.
[12:30] <mebaran151> delire, what is the problem
[12:30] <Marble2> so that I can see them without going to top or whatever
[12:30] <rattboi> I haven't found an easy dmix tutorial
[12:31] <crimsun> rattboi: you don't need one. Use plug:dmix
[12:31] <delire> Marble2: various desktop environments have their own graphical interfaces for doing this.
[12:31] <syn1> anyone remember how to set up ndiswrapper-utils? i cant find the HOWTO online?
[12:31] <delire> mebaran151 i don't have one.
[12:31] <rattboi> what's plug:dmix?
[12:31] <rattboi> google time
[12:31] <Phil_Devor> UBUNTU IS THE SHIT!!!
[12:31] <crimsun> rattboi: it's the device you use.
[12:31] <fazer> Phil_Devor, heh
[12:31] <Phil_Devor> hehe
[12:31] <mebaran151> oh
[12:31] <crimsun> rattboi: for instance, tell aplay -Dplug:dmix foo.wav
[12:31] <Marble2> delire: know of any good ones for gnome?
[12:31] <delire> Marble2 no, i don't use gnome or KDE
[12:31] <Phil_Devor> i've been wanting to say that
[12:31] <crimsun> rattboi: or you'd tell xmms (or b-m-p) to use plug:dmix
[12:31] <synd> anyone remember how to set up ndiswrapper-utils? i cant find the HOWTO online?
[12:32] <rattboi> crimsun, how do I make that system-wide?
[12:32] <mebaran151> XFCE
[12:32] <mebaran151> rocks
[12:32] <delire> ztonzy :|
[12:32] <mebaran151> I like GTK2 without all the nonsense
[12:32] <crimsun> rattboi: redefine pcm.!default to use the dmix plugin
[12:32] <mebaran151> and poor mimetyping
[12:32] <ztonzy> delire, why that face ?
[12:32] <ztonzy> :)
[12:32] <Phil_Devor> mebaran151: yes, it does rock
[12:32] <ztonzy> just want to say thanks
[12:32] <delire> jeje
[12:32] <delire> ztonzy: so you like it?
[12:32] <ztonzy> delire, much bette than metacity
[12:32] <delire> good for 3D as it's very light on the graphics card
[12:33] <crimsun> fwiw, jani and I are working on ubuntu-ized artwork for Xfce
[12:33] <mebaran151> XFCE should be the default environment for most people
[12:33] <ztonzy> better*
[12:33] <mebaran151> it is nice and clean
[12:33] <ztonzy> delire, yepp
[12:33] <delire> ztonzy: i switched because of both terminal work and modelling in blender.
[12:33] <rattboi> it'll be nice when there's a single decent soundsystem for linux
[12:33] <crimsun> if you'd like to join our Xfce team, please see wiki/MOTUXfce
[12:33] <linuxpoet> How do I change my environment settings (like path) when I run a default of run level 5
[12:33] <ztonzy> delire, you use now?
[12:33] <linuxpoet> .bash_profile doesn't get picked up
[12:33] <fazer> delire, uhm...okay, so I have this openbox but I don't see ANYTHING
[12:33] <fazer> no doc, no nothinc.
[12:33] <crimsun> rattboi: there is, it's called ALSA.
[12:33] <delire> fazer right click
[12:34] <linuxpoet> xfce is gnome-compliant right
[12:34] <ztonzy> fazer, you can use Gnome AND openbox :)
[12:34] <fazer> yeah, how about the files I had on my /Desktop, they arne't showing.
[12:34] <crimsun> rattboi: unfortunately it was designed for developers, not end users
[12:34] <Phil_Devor> mebran151, it should be, but there arent many apps for it (a la gnome or kde) because the xfce developers keep changing stuff around
[12:34] <crimsun> linuxpoet: fd.o compliant, yes
[12:34] <fazer> ztonzy, and how do I do that?
[12:34] <delire> fazer CTRL-ALT-left/right arrows
[12:34] <ztonzy> fazer, I do it now
[12:34] <mebaran151> XFCE is Gnome compliant though
[12:34] <mebaran151> what apps do I need
[12:34] <Phil_Devor> but i agree... it's better than gnome or kde
[12:34] <crimsun> mebaran151: not fully
[12:34] <mebaran151> most of the stuff I use is GTK based
[12:34] <fazer> delire, no i mean I don't see the icons on the desktop
[12:34] <fazer> like, the files in my /Desktop
[12:34] <ztonzy> fazer, the gconf-editor   open that
[12:34] <rattboi> sleep time
[12:34] <fazer> i can't see/click them.
[12:34] <Phil_Devor> hmmm
[12:34] <fazer> ztonzy, okay.
[12:34] <crimsun> mebaran151: it's more strict about following the fd.o specs
[12:34] <mebaran151> oh
[12:35] <mebaran151> haha
[12:35] <ztonzy> fazer, in App --> System
[12:35] <fazer> ztonzy, heh, i don't have the top tool bar
[12:35] <linuxpoet> How do I change my environment settings (like path) when I run a default of run level 5
[12:35] <fazer> ztonzy,   but I typed in gconf-editor in the terminal and it worked!
[12:35] <Kabuto> hoakaln / bye
[12:35] <linuxpoet> How do I change my environment settings (like path) when I run a default of run level 5
[12:35] <ztonzy> fazer, aack...you can log out and in into gnome again
[12:35] <crimsun> linuxpoet: (you mean runlevel 2, since 2-5 are identical and Ubuntu doesn't play runlevel games)
[12:35] <linuxpoet> oops sorry
[12:35] <ztonzy> just do ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:35] <fazer> ztonzy, how?
[12:35] <delire> fazer: hehe ok.. that's because openbox is your *whole* environment now. with .xsession there is no gnome DE ;)
[12:35] <EddieX> How can i keep my gtk appearence in lets say blackbox?
[12:35] <ztonzy> fazer, ah
[12:36] <linuxpoet> Ubuntu doesn't do run levels?
[12:36] <crimsun> EddieX: execute gnome-settings-daemon &
[12:36] <mebaran151> Where does it go wrong though
[12:36] <ztonzy> hehe
[12:36] <delire> linuxpoet yes
[12:36] <mebaran151> MIME types in Gnome for me always go badly
[12:36] <crimsun> linuxpoet: it doesn't play _games_ with them like certain other distros
[12:36] <mebaran151> they never open it correctly
[12:36] <linuxpoet> so there is 1 2 and 6 essentially
[12:36] <EddieX> crimsun, Ok, is that the only way?
[12:36] <linuxpoet> hmmm
[12:36] <mebaran151> and desktop icons fail
[12:36] <crimsun> EddieX: it's probably the easiest way
[12:36] <linuxpoet> I don't know that I like that... but anyway... back to the answer to my question :)
[12:36] <EddieX> crimsun, Ok, thanks alot!
[12:37] <fazer> the hell....same thing
[12:37] <mebaran151> by the way
[12:37] <crimsun> linuxpoet: it's sysvinit-based and thus does have runlevels. It doesn't differentiate between 2,3,4,5.
[12:37] <mebaran151> I am on AM64 and my xpdf segfaults
[12:37] <mebaran151> anyone have a cure
[12:37] <crimsun> linuxpoet: (which is the "good" way imo)
[12:37] <mebaran151> other than compile from source
[12:37] <Phil_Devor> ... Random thought:  I think Ubuntu will be universally recognised as the ultimate disto.
[12:37] <mebaran151> which is just annoying
[12:37] <fazer> bah...
[12:37] <ztonzy> fazer, wb
[12:37] <ryman> instead of sudo mkdir /media/windows ... I want to make a folder in 'computer' whats the command for that ?
[12:37] <delire> ztonzy why don't you ensure fazer has your same setup? he has an ~/.xsession file that he might want to remove and perhaps mirror what you have in ~/.xinitrc. i get the feeling he wants a bit of gnome and openbox, like you (a sensible choice).
[12:37] <fazer> so...this isn't really nice.
[12:37] <linuxpoet> crimsun: there is a really good reason for the differences between 123 and 5
[12:37] <crimsun> mebaran151: file a bug with all the relevant information on bugzilla?
[12:37] <bleh> =|
[12:37] <linuxpoet> but that is for another argument :)
[12:37] <ztonzy> fazer, you need to select correct session too !
[12:37] <ztonzy> not the last one
[12:37] <crimsun> linuxpoet: between 1 and 2, yes, but not between 2,3,4,5
[12:37] <fazer> how about i just remove thta .xsession file?
[12:37] <xed> sweet, recognized!
[12:38] <nickrud> linuxpoet: think of it this way -- you can use 3-5 for yourself. telinit 3 turns you into a warez server, 4 turns you into an anonymous gateway
[12:38] <delire> fazer wise..
[12:38] <ztonzy> delire, yes...
[12:38] <cens0red> anyone know a gnome equivelant to kate? You know, an editor that handles java/python/c syntax nicely?
[12:38] <Marble2> Anyone know of good programs that will take computer info and display them on my desktop? (gnome)
[12:38] <delire> fazer then mirror ztonzy's setup if you want gnome AND openbox together
[12:38] <crimsun> cens0red: gedit?
[12:38] <fazer> delire, yes, how?
[12:38] <linuxpoet> O.k. guys we aren't going to agree on this one but some help with my question would be nice :)
[12:38] <cens0red> crimsun is gedit any good at code?
[12:38] <delire> fazer pull up terminal and rm -f ~/.xsession
[12:38] <AndyR> is ubuntuforums down?
[12:38] <mebaran151> gedit
[12:38] <crimsun> linuxpoet: edit ~/.bash_profile for login sessions
[12:39] <fazer> delire, already did that.
[12:39] <mebaran151> is nice censorred
[12:39] <crimsun> linuxpoet: otherwise stuff goes into ~/.bashrc
[12:39] <delire> fazer well done ;)
[12:39] <xed> Don't treat Fazer like any ordinary newbie. He's a well experienced n00b.
[12:39] <fazer> delire, I am still anxious about my mn 720 though.
[12:39] <ztonzy> delire, you guide him ?
[12:39] <fazer> hahaha
[12:39] <crimsun> cens0red: do you mean at syntax-highlighting? gedit doesn't give a flip whether you can code or not.
[12:39] <linuxpoet> cool thanks
[12:39] <nxterra> anyone know how to make the firestarter try icon transparent or replace it...?
[12:39] <fazer> delire, : CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACe now
[12:39] <fazer> ?
[12:40] <ztonzy> fazer,  ;)
[12:40] <crimsun> cens0red: I've found it's adequate for basic use, but there are certainly alternatives.
[12:40] <delire> fazer: yep
[12:40] <fazer> alright, doing so nw.
[12:40] <ztonzy> fazer, yes and dont forget to pick correct session
[12:40] <simrac> join #linux
[12:40] <ztonzy> ack
[12:40] <ztonzy> he didnt read
[12:40] <delire> hehe
[12:40] <cens0red> crimsun alternatives such as?
[12:40] <delire> vim
[12:40] <ztonzy> delire, he is too fast for us
[12:40] <xed> Starfuckers.
[12:41] <mcphail> cens0red: gvim
[12:41] <delire> cens0red or emacs of course..
[12:41] <RickA> does anyone here use an ATI card on (K)ubuntu?
[12:41] <linuxpoet> I do
[12:41] <dcahrakos> anyone know of a good archiver that can handle rar's?
[12:41] <zyga> RickA: I do
[12:41] <crimsun> cens0red: vim, emacs, joe, monodevelop, ...
[12:41] <delire> ztonzy he'll come back completely lost ;)
[12:41] <linuxpoet> so how many stolen mp3s and dvds do you have dcahrakos
[12:41] <fazer> alrightly
[12:41] <RickA> I've just tried to install it, and can't get any images anymore after the console
[12:42] <cens0red> crimsun ty.
[12:42] <fazer> so, lets forget about window managers for now
[12:42] <RickA> did you have any trouble installing the drivers?
[12:42] <zyga> RickA: images?
[12:42] <fazer> crimsun, so, what shall I do about my sound issue?
[12:42] <delire> cens0red some swear by kdevelop also. apparently it's a great IDE these days.
[12:42] <ztonzy> delire, hahaha
[12:42] <RickA> black screen
[12:42] <ztonzy> there he is !
[12:42] <zyga> RickA: no I've installed fgrlx enabled kernel and all went fine
[12:42] <RickA> like on the wiki page?
[12:42] <zyga> RickA: what video card do you have
[12:42] <RickA> x800xt
[12:42] <delire> ztonzy : hehe told you
[12:43] <ztonzy> delire, he should be more gentle and have more patience
[12:43] <ztonzy> ;)
[12:43] <dcahrakos> linuxpoet, none, this is for an emulator
[12:43] <zyga> RickA: it's alot newer than mine
[12:43] <crimsun> fazer: pull out the io, irq, etc. info from bios?
[12:43] <nickrud> dcahrakos: file-roller will do it if you if you cp /usr/bin/rar /usr/bin/unrar
[12:44] <fazer> crimsun, whaaa?
[12:44] <nickrud> it s a bus supposed to be fixed in 2.10.3
[12:44] <delire> nickrud good trick..
[12:44] <dcahrakos> ill try
[12:44] <ztonzy> delire, have conviced my sister to install Linux instead of Win98 on her comp, problem is...she wont get adsl and she uses 56k modem that is badly supported...I know, I tried !
[12:44] <crimsun> fazer: you need to pull all that info that modprobe needs from bios
[12:44] <nickrud> it's from a mail from PaoBak this morning :)
[12:45] <dcahrakos> says usr/bin/rar doesnt exist
[12:45] <crimsun> fazer: I'm out for ~2 hours, will be back.
[12:45] <delire> ztonzy hmm if it's an external modem it's usually ok.
[12:45] <fazer> crimsun, the Thinkpad BIOS is kind of shit.
[12:45] <ryman> how do I remove a folder after I did sudo mkdir ?
[12:45] <fazer> crimsun, also, when I boot up, I hear BEEPS with the Aslamixer thingy in the boot sequence keeps on going on in a loop
[12:45] <fazer> does that around 10 times
[12:45] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: give her a nice serial port external modem for her birthday ;)
[12:45] <ztonzy> delire, not it isnt...my Lasat 56k flex....didnt work as it should either even if it was detected and did the dial
[12:45] <delire> ztonzy i know that the non-freeish Mepis has support for a whole bunch of evil internal winmodems.
[12:45] <delire> ztonzy: ahah
[12:45] <ryman> whats the command to remove a folder after I did the mkdir ?
[12:46] <nickrud> dcahrakos: sudo apt-get install unrar
[12:46] <ztonzy> but it does work under win98 and XP
[12:46] <crimsun> fazer: tell me again when I return.
[12:46] <delire> ryman rm -fr <folder>
[12:46] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, :)
[12:46] <fazer> crimsun, alright.
[12:46] <fazer> Now I guess its time for wifi!
[12:46] <dcahrakos> was just about to do that
[12:46] <delire> thoreauputic: it's the thought that counts ;)
[12:46] <fazer> Is everyone ready for Fazer to do his wifi?
[12:46] <ztonzy> delire, it is weird
[12:46] <nickrud> dcahrakos :)
[12:46] <ryman> delire[]  thanks
[12:47] <delire> wow, i've just become an empty list
[12:47] <delire> delire = delire[] 
[12:47] <thoreauputic> delire: well, you could hide it in a bunch of roses ;-)
[12:47] <ztonzy> delire, heh
[12:47] <delire> thoreauputic: ugly ugly..
[12:47] <ztonzy> delire, so now I dont know how to solve it...it seems as the ISP doesnt like the commands...
[12:48] <thoreauputic> delire: the thorns could be a problem, I guess ;)
[12:48] <delire> ztonzy hmm, i'd take thoreauputic's advice and buy her an external in a bunch of..... daffodils
[12:48] <Fazer> wait wait
[12:49] <Fazer> how do I get ndiswrappre installed from ubuntu?
[12:49] <ztonzy> delire, uuuuh ?  I already have a external modem...my own lasat
[12:49] <dcahrakos> from the console I just tried rar fceuxdsrc.10a.rar but it fails to extract any of the files
[12:49] <zyga> Fazer: apt-get install ndiswrapper
[12:49] <delire> ztonzy you could use the usb cable from the external modem to tie the flowers in a bunch.
[12:49] <Fazer> zyga, alright, thanks.
[12:49] <zyga> Fazer: you may want to prepend 'sudo' to all that
[12:49] <ztonzy> delire, hmmm you mean a new USB phonemodem would work better than an old lasatmodem ?
[12:50] <Fazer> fuck, it can't find package ndiswrapper? WTF is this
[12:50] <dcahrakos> ah well, ill just go on winxp and make a zip out of the rar
[12:50] <Fazer> sorry for swearing.
[12:50] <delire> ztonzy usb modems work well in linux generally speaking.
[12:50] <ztonzy> hmm ok
[12:50] <ztonzy> then I need to find a cheap one for her
[12:50] <ztonzy> or us to test
[12:50] <ztonzy> stupid to buy and then it wont work
[12:50] <zyga> Fazer: which arch?
[12:50] <delire> ztonzy though if the modem is detected but you can't connect your ISP then of course check the dial options and user/pw
[12:51] <thoreauputic> delire: hmmm - I've seen a few people on this chan having untold problems with usb modems
[12:51] <delire> thoreauputic really? hmm..
[12:51] <ztonzy> delire, user/pw is corrcet
[12:51] <ztonzy> correct*
[12:51] <delire> thoreauputic modems or usb routers?
[12:51] <ztonzy> dialoptions isnt too many in linux...
[12:51] <Fazer> zyga, x86?
[12:51] <Fazer> I am on t athinkpad.
[12:51] <delire> thoreauputic i know the latter can be fiddly
[12:51] <thoreauputic> delire: I think good old serial is still better for dialup
[12:51] <ztonzy> what I have found
[12:51] <EddieX> Hmmm how did i add another wm to gdm session ? Cant remember + forums are down :)
[12:51] <delire> thoreauputic hmm ok. i've never had too much problem with either i guess
[12:52] <zyga> Fazer: could you run synaptic and ctrl+f (search) for ndiswrapper?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> delire: trying to find the usb modem can be a pain, and pppconfug doesn't know about them
[12:52] <Fazer> zyga, doing so now
[12:52] <zyga> I'm not on x86 and I cant really remember if it's in main or universe
[12:52] <thoreauputic> *pppconfig
[12:52] <delire> ztonzy you're right, i used wvdial back in the day to get mine up and running. thankfully those times are over.
[12:52] <delire> thoreauputic ahah
[12:52] <ztonzy> delire, can you tip any good model/brand ?
[12:52] <ztonzy> USB modem ?
[12:52] <delire> ztonzy well if your serial modem is working don't touch it
[12:53] <EddieX> I figured it out
[12:53] <Fazer> zyga, i see it, so do i install ndiswrapper-utils only?
[12:53] <mcphail> Fazer: yes
[12:53] <ztonzy> delire, it is detected instantly by Ubuntu...problem is however the settings for the ISP...dunno how to fix those
[12:53] <Fazer> how about ndiswrapper-source?
[12:53] <delire> ztonzy thoreauputic makes me feel like i've been lucky with usb modems.
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: FWIW, I suggest you get a bog-standard hardwarw serial port dialup modem
[12:53] <zyga> Fazer: you don't need the source
[12:53] <mcphail> Fazer: no
[12:53] <ztonzy> FWIW ????
[12:53] <Fazer> alrighty
[12:53] <zyga> Fazer: get the utils
[12:54] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, sorry for repeating myself...already got one !! (mine and she can use it if she like)
[12:54] <delire> ztonzy pulse/tone dialing?
[12:54] <zyga> Fazer: they should provide ndiswrapper (as in program) - that's all you need
[12:54] <Fazer> zyga, ah awesome, there we go, its installing now.
[12:54] <zyga> Fazer: ubuntu has that module build by default
[12:54] <ztonzy> delire, hmmm tone I guess?  cant remember the differences
[12:54] <Fazer> zyga,  ah nice to know, have you done any wlan stuff on laptops before?
[12:54] <ztonzy> Lasat 56K something
[12:54] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: sorry I missed that - so only the ISP settings are a problem ? You can dial OK ?
[12:55] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, yes!  and it all works in XP and win98   without problem
[12:55] <Fazer> zyga, also, I get this error when I launch ndiswrapper: ls: /etc/ndiswrapper: No such file or directory
[12:55] <mcphail> Fazer: i have
[12:55] <zyga> Fazer: yeap but I've failed -- I've got a dead G card around here
[12:55] <ryman> what do I need to play .wmv and .avi files ?
[12:55] <Fazer> mcphail, then, do you get that error.
[12:55] <zyga> Fazer: broadcom wave lanner or something like that
[12:55] <Fazer> zyga, I have a broadcom card as well
[12:55] <Fazer> ryman, try VLC?
[12:55] <mcphail> Fazer: you'll get it first time only. It'll make the directory
[12:55] <ztonzy> thoreauputic & delire ,  so that's they main thing that stops me from installing Ubuntu into her computer right now
[12:55] <zyga> Fazer: it is detected by ndiswrapper (hardware present, driver present)
[12:56] <ryman> Fazer[]  I have totem
[12:56] <zyga> Fazer: wlan0 appears but it doesn't work
[12:56] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: the latter observations are irrelevant for linux, but if it dials and connects, it should be just a question of choosing pap or chap or whatever
[12:56] <Fazer> zyga, damn, same here! but the lights just don't turn on!
[12:56] <zyga> Fazer: could you do lspci ?
[12:56] <Fazer> mcphail, but it repeats...
[12:56] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, trust me I have tested...but maybe there's some settings I dont know about
[12:56] <Fazer> mcphail, i repeat the command I still get that same warning/error
[12:56] <mcphail> zyga: you're probably using the wrong driver. I had this problem with a broadcom based card for months
[12:56] <zyga> ryman: try mplayer :>
[12:57] <Fazer> zyga, i don't have the card inserted yet sine I am talking to you from my laptop, my ethernet is also in a form of a card =(
[12:57] <mcphail> Fazer: the directory will be created when you install the driver and the card is in situ
[12:57] <zyga> mcphail: I've tried with the driver supplied with the card and several others
[12:57] <xed> I... love ...lamp.
[12:57] <Fazer> mcphail, ah okay.
[12:57] <exalted> someday i've added "universe" to my repositories, and probabily installed some packages from there. Now i want my system just formed by the "main" and "restricted" repositories. How to do this? Thx.
[12:57] <Fazer> so...i am going on my desktop since my thinkpad won't have any internets
[12:57] <mcphail> zyga: lights don't come on in the card?
[12:57] <zyga> mcphail: could you send me the driver that worked for you?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: do you *know* that the internal modem is unsupported? http://linmodems.org can tell you if there's an appropriate driver
[12:58] <Fazer> see you in a bit.
[12:58] <dash> wahhhh breezy done broke my computer!
[12:58] <dash> um i mean
[12:58] <ryman> thanks guys, I'm downloading VLC
[12:58] <dash> ubuntu is awesome, i love it
[12:58] <zyga> mcphail: only the power led is on, link is off
[12:58] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, it is one those connexian or what the name is
[12:58] <mcphail> zyga: if the power led is on you're half way there. What happens next?
[12:58] <dash> ... except my alt key doesn't work in X right now.
[12:59] <Fazer_> okie dokie
[12:59] <Fazer_> time to install the dirver
[12:59] <Fazer_> btw folks, I am using this URL as a resource: http://tuxspot.blogspot.com/2005/02/microsoft-mn-720-driver-update.html
[12:59] <thoreauputic> conextant ? hmm - I think the only drivers are closed source and cost money
[12:59] <zyga> mcphail: well wlan0 is there many commands 'work' (but don't appear to do anything)
[12:59] <dash> xkeycaps shows it working, but neither zsh nor metacity recongize it
[12:59] <zyga> mcphail: note that the power led turns on regardless of ndiswrapper
[12:59] <dash> oh hmm! it works in firefox.
[12:59] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, yepp
[12:59] <ryman> xmms can't play .wma files ?
[12:59] <mcphail> zyga: "work" in what way?
[12:59] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, I remember that yes
[12:59] <zyga> ryman: you need a plug-in, it can play them
[01:00] <zyga> mcphail: they don't report an error
[01:00] <ryman> zyga[]  whats the plug-in name ?
[01:00] <zyga> ryman: probably something like xmms-wma, try googling for it
[01:00] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: my turn to repeat myself: get a second-hand serial external and save yourself a lot of headaches
[01:00] <mcphail> zyga: have you set up /etc/network/interfaces correctly for you card?
[01:00] <zyga> mcphail: yes
[01:01] <zyga> mcphail: there were two hot spots in vicinity but none were found
[01:01] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, I repeat myself then :) I already got one secondhand one :)
[01:01] <cusco> zyga: do you have wireles-tools installed?
[01:01] <ztonzy> -one
[01:01] <dash> anybody ever seen keyboard weirdness like that before?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: but I thought you said usb?
[01:01] <zyga> cusco: not sure (no laptop at the moment) what do they contain?
[01:01] <zyga> cusco: I had iw* stuff
[01:01] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, no it was delire
[01:01] <ztonzy> :D
[01:01] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:01] <dash> (xmodmap reports that Alt_L and Alt_R are mapped to mod1, and xev shows them producing that symbol..)
[01:01] <smouche> exalted, unless I misunderstand you, I think all you need to do is comment out the unwanted repos in /etc/apt/sources.list  ...
[01:01] <cusco> zyga: type sudo apt-get install wireless-tools
[01:01] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, sorry for the confusement
[01:01] <mcphail> zyga: what did ifup wlan0 do?
[01:01] <zyga> cusco: I'm on my amd64 box ATM
[01:01] <cusco> zyga: type first iwconfig
[01:02] <cusco> iw stuff
[01:02] <cusco> so you have to set the essid
[01:02] <zyga> mcphail,cusco: I'm not with my laptop ATM
[01:02] <cusco> as in your router or access point
[01:02] <zyga> iwconfig showed the card stuff
[01:02] <mcphail> ok
[01:02] <cusco> it did?
[01:02] <cusco> so you should have internet really easy
[01:02] <zyga> sudo iwlist scan
[01:02] <cusco> yes
[01:02] <Fazer_> alright so
[01:02] <zyga> waited for a second and said 'nothing found'
[01:02] <Fazer_> mcphail: I installed the driver
[01:02] <cusco> no? then you could not find a hotspot
[01:03] <zyga> but regardless of sitting next to the hot spot it didn't work
[01:03] <Fazer_> mcphail: ndiswrapper -l shows the hardware is also prsent but no lights are on.
[01:03] <cusco> thats weird
[01:03] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: make sure your user is in groups dialout and dip, and if there's no /dev/modem, make a link like ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
[01:03] <mcphail> Fazer_: that's ok. They won't come on yet
[01:03] <zyga> cusco: well the driver failed that's for sure
[01:03] <cusco> zyga: would that card work in an alternative operating system?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> ztonzy: beyond that, I'm out of ideas
[01:03] <cusco> hhh
[01:03] <zyga> cusco: (don't have one) hehe
[01:03] <cusco> zyga: whats the card?
[01:03] <ztonzy> thoreauputic, sure....
[01:03] <topyli> dudes! it's friday night and you're on irc arguing technical problems!
[01:03] <mcphail> Fazer_: type ndiswrapper -m
[01:03] <Fazer_> mcphail: even after modprobe?
[01:03] <ztonzy> I will try
[01:03] <zyga> cusco: It probably would but I've got to grab one of my windows firends to check
[01:04] <Fazer_> mcphail: I did all that.
[01:04] <zyga> cusco: wave lanner or something like that
[01:04] <cusco> whats the card zyga ?
[01:04] <cusco> no drivers for linux?
[01:04] <zyga> cusco: wait I'll look it up
[01:04] <mcphail> Fazer_: if they don't come on after modprobe, you've probably got the wrong driver. i had this problem for a while
[01:04] <zyga> (it's really strange - it's only manufactured and sold somewhere in asia)
[01:04] <vs_zach> hey
[01:04] <delire> i'm out.
[01:04] <Fazer_> mcphail: ah shits
[01:04] <yottoflop> what's the ubuntu parallel to gentoo's rc-update?
[01:04] <Fazer_> mcphail: I am using a MN 720
[01:04] <delire> ciao ztonzy et al
[01:04] <vs_zach> where can i find the drivers for a ClickSmart 510 digital camera
[01:04] <ztonzy> thoreauputic & delire , thanks...I really need to get my sleep now...night
[01:04] <mcphail> Fazer_: what .inf file did you use?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> night ztonzy
[01:05] <zyga> cusco: road lanner wave
[01:05] <Fazer_> mcphail: mn720-ankh.inf
[01:05] <thoreauputic> yottoflop: approximately,  update-rc.d  ( close but different)
[01:05] <vs_zach> hello
[01:05] <yottoflop> thoreauputic, ah ha, thank you
[01:05] <Fazer_> mcphail: but my .sys file is bcmwl5.sys
[01:06] <Fazer_> mcphail: So I guess I should be using bcmwl5.inf as wel?
[01:06] <cusco> zyga: if you have no drivers maybe you should take a look at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/List and check uf your card is there
[01:06] <thoreauputic> yottoflop: the man page is pretty readable - a nice change ;)
[01:06] <vs_zach> hey
[01:06] <mcphail> Fazer_: bcmwl5a.inf. The one without the "a" doesn't seem to work
[01:06] <vs_zach> does any one here know where i can find the drivers to my digi camera
[01:06] <Fazer_> mcphail: oh, damn, where can I get those .inf and .sys files?
[01:06] <cusco> zyga: do you know the chipset?
[01:07] <mcphail> Fazer_: give me 5 minutes and i'll find them...
[01:07] <zyga> cusco: I have drivers they came with the card
[01:07] <Fazer_> mcphail: awesome,t hanks.
[01:07] <topyli> vs_zach: you hardly ever need any drivers. either it works or ir doesn't
[01:07] <cusco> for linux?
[01:07] <zyga> cusco: the chipset is some broadcom - don't rember
[01:07] <vs_zach> ok
[01:07] <vs_zach> how do i figure out if it works
[01:07] <Fazer_> mcphail: wait, I have this: http://fzr.cc/mem/pub/bcmwl5a.inf.tar.gz someone uploaded it for me... ist hat the right file? but the .sys file doesn't have 'a' in it
[01:07] <cusco> if you have the drivers that came with the card I can't help you there... sory.. take a look at the readme file
[01:08] <topyli> vs_zach: is it a simple usb device?
[01:08] <vs_zach> yeah
[01:08] <vs_zach> its a camera
[01:08] <vs_zach> it can be a webcam too
[01:08] <mcphail> Fazer_: yes. That's the right one. The sys file doesn't have the "a"
[01:08] <thoreauputic> vs_zach: then just plug it in and see what happens :)
[01:08] <vs_zach> i did
[01:08] <vs_zach> and nothing happened
[01:08] <vs_zach> im in flux
[01:09] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:09] <vs_zach> should i go into gnome
[01:09] <vs_zach> ?
[01:09] <Fazer_> mcphail: can oyut ell me how big the .sys file is then?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> vs_zach: try in gnome
[01:09] <topyli> vs_zach: so plug it in, it should mount automatically. if not, report a bug.
[01:09] <Fazer_> mcphail: just so I have the righ \t version.
[01:09] <mcphail> Fazer_: remember to remove the old .inf
[01:09] <mcphail> Fazer_: one moment...
[01:09] <Fazer_> mcphail: yeah, and also remove it from ndiswrapper -e right?
[01:09] <mcphail> right
[01:10] <Fazer_> mcphail: okay, doign so now.
[01:10] <mcphail> Fazer_: 315392 bytes
[01:10] <Fazer_> mcphail: How much is that in KB ?
[01:10] <Fazer_> devide by 1024 or 1000 ?
[01:10] <mcphail> 1024 i guess
[01:10] <topyli> vs_zach: if you use fluxbox, then you must find the device on the filesystem. in gnome, you get an icon on desktop
[01:11] <Fazer_> mcphail: you alos use the broadcom wifi card?
[01:11] <vs_zach> konkorer
[01:11] <vs_zach> how do u spell it
[01:11] <ablyss> konqueror
[01:11] <mcphail> Fazer_: yes, badged as a Belkin54g
[01:11] <thoreauputic> topyli: I think you can start the gnome volume manager when you run flux (haven't tried it yet)
[01:11] <topyli> you use kde? i have no idea then :)
[01:11] <Fazer_> mcphail: haha okay.
[01:11] <Fazer_> mcphail: so.... is that .inf file correct?
[01:12] <mcphail> Fazer_: that's the one which works for me
[01:12] <Fazer_> mcphail: have you verified it?
[01:12] <topyli> thoreauputic: might be. don't know :)
[01:12] <Fazer_> like, same filesize md5 hash or whatever?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> vs_zach: if you run KDE, try asking in #kubuntu
[01:13] <vs_zach> nope
[01:13] <vs_zach> i run flux
[01:13] <ryman> I downloaded mplay but it isn't able to play .avi file
[01:13] <vs_zach> plugin's???
[01:13] <thoreauputic> vs_zach: and you have neither KDE nor gnome?
[01:13] <mcphail> Fazer_: why don't i track down my source and give you the link?
[01:13] <vs_zach> well
[01:13] <vs_zach> i have gnome
[01:13] <vs_zach> but i cant go directly from flux to gnome and stuff
[01:13] <vs_zach> i have to log out
[01:14] <topyli> ryman: get w32codecs from the same place you got mplayer
[01:14] <vs_zach> and i am downloading stuff
[01:14] <vs_zach> allmost done
[01:14] <vs_zach> so
[01:14] <Fazer_> mcphail: that would be nice.
[01:14] <vs_zach> ....ill just wait
[01:14] <thoreauputic> ryman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:14] <polaritius> im having a problem with ubuntu crashing anyone help?
[01:15] <mcphail> Fazer_: http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R81433.EXE   - it is actually just a zip file
[01:15] <Fazer_> mcphail: hmm, okay.
[01:15] <Fazer_> mcphail: So i mv it a .zip then?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> polaritius: you need to be a bit specific: what are you doing when it crashes? And what do you mean by "crash" ?
[01:15] <topyli> polaritius: ubuntu does not crash. what's the problem :)
[01:15] <mcphail> mcphail: unzip it and the driver is in the "AR" directory
[01:16] <mcphail> mcphail: this link is from the sourceforge ndiswrapper wiki page
[01:16] <ryman> I got mplayer from synaptic
[01:16] <Fazer_> fazer__: http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R81433.EXE =)
[01:16] <ryman> I dont see w32codecs  there
[01:16] <fazer__> kthx
[01:16] <smouche> does anyone else have a problem with mplayer in firefox locking up the cpu?  I tried killing every process I could, and couldn't calm the system down...
[01:16] <thoreauputic> ryman: read the link I posted above
[01:16] <gijosh> Hey.  I installed gtk-gnutella.  Then I updated/upgraded.  I know it's not a supported package or anything, so it's no surprise that it didn't get upgraded.  But the problem is that it's too old to run.  So how can I go about updating it?
[01:16] <Fazer_> mcphail: damn it how bnig is this?
[01:16] <Fazer_> can't you just give me the folder if you can?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> ryman <thoreauputic> ryman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:17] <mcphail> Fazer_: its a few megs
[01:17] <Fazer_> mcphail: =[
[01:17] <cens0red> smouche had a problem a few hours back. gmplayer jammed. Had to kill the process, and somehow gnome crashed when I did.
[01:17] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  thanks i'm reading that
[01:18] <thoreauputic> ryman: you need the w32codecs
[01:18] <thoreauputic> ryman: that page will tell you the repositories to configure
[01:18] <edmack> Where did all the fast bootup stuff go? I thought it was all destined for Hoary
[01:19] <xannix> has anyone has any experience getting Kismet install with patched Orinoco drivers
[01:19] <topyli> ryman: go to http://ubuntuguide.org/ and learn how to add all these evil restricted stuff on your system :)
[01:19] <polaritius> hahahah it just crashed again
[01:19] <mcphail> Fazer_: i'm trying to send you the .inf file, but i don't really know how to do that on irc
[01:19] <polaritius> any help?
[01:19] <Fazer_> mcphail: hmm
[01:19] <topyli> polaritius: what did you do?
[01:19] <Fazer_> mcrawfor: yeah crap, hold. on.
[01:19] <Fazer> heallo
[01:19] <Fazer> hi
[01:19] <Fazer> send it to me!
[01:20] <Fazer_> what he said
[01:20] <polaritius> i opened the browser and had a chat open and irc
[01:20] <xannix> enough would be a good tutorial on recompiling the kernel
[01:20] <thoreauputic> polaritius: hard to help if you don't tell us what actually happened
[01:20] <polaritius> and the system locked up tight, it happens to me all the time
[01:20] <polaritius> couldnt move the mouse or any keyboard features
[01:20] <polaritius> i had three programs running
[01:21] <thoreauputic> polaritius: a chat in what application? gaim?
[01:21] <Fazer> mcphail, eh? i think  i was 97% don
[01:21] <Fazer> *done
[01:21] <polaritius> x-chat, gaim, and firefox
[01:21] <thoreauputic> polaritius: and what IRC client?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:21] <polaritius> x-chat
[01:21] <polaritius> :-(
[01:21] <topyli> polaritius: i say your hardware is broken. like i said, the software does not do that. or, you've found a serous bug and you 'll have to file it along with your hardware details
[01:21] <mcphail> Fazer: i really don't know what im doing here...
[01:21] <polaritius> and im runnig the installed ver. not the live one
[01:22] <Fazer> mcphail, heh, oh well....
[01:22] <polaritius> its an old machine, i think it probably could be the memory
[01:22] <thoreauputic> polaritius: what do you mean, the "live" one?
[01:22] <Fazer> mcphail, so, i rename it to a .zip file, right?
[01:22] <polaritius> the one you run form the cd
[01:22] <thoreauputic> I see
[01:22] <polaritius> im a total noob with this stuff
[01:22] <super_dude2> hello
[01:22] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  where do I get the APT line ?
[01:22] <mcphail> Fazer: just type unzip *.exe
[01:22] <polaritius> anyhting i may be able to do to stop it from crashing so much?
[01:22] <mjc> how do I tell apt to not care bout gpg
[01:23] <cens0red> vid card, cpu.
[01:23] <thoreauputic> polaritius: how old is the machine? what is it? how much RAMand what CPU?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> ryman: sorry?
[01:23] <polaritius> pIII 800 256 megs, its my chat machine
[01:23] <ryman> is this deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./  an APT line ?
[01:23] <super_dude2> how do u change the defult head icons in ubuntu? when u login it has heads with ? marks in them
[01:23] <thoreauputic> ryman: apt line?
[01:23] <cens0red> and what vid card?
[01:23] <polaritius> onboard
[01:23] <mjc> ryman, yes
[01:23] <polaritius> video
[01:23] <super_dude2> ups:hello
[01:23] <Fazer_> mcphail: okay, trying it out now, do I have to do any sed command or anything?
[01:23] <ryman> I'm Adding outside repositories using Synaptic
[01:24] <thoreauputic> ryman: that line goes in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <mjc> thoreauputic, or he can add it w/ synaptic
[01:24] <mcphail> Fazer_: no, just unzip it
[01:24] <limer> polaritius, run memtest86 on your ram if you suspect it -- let it for for maybe three or four passes
[01:24] <Fazer_> mcphail: I mean after installing it
[01:24] <Fazer_> via ndiswrapper
[01:24] <Fazer_> any sed commands?
[01:24] <super_dude2> ups:thank you so much when u helped me  a while ago i fixed it while you where away
[01:24] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  thanks
[01:24] <thoreauputic> ryman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:25] <ryman> I'm on that page
[01:25] <polaritius> how do i run that in terminal?
[01:25] <ryman> I used the APT line they posted on there
[01:25] <mcphail> Fazer_: no Just ndiswrapper -m then modprobe ndiswrapper. The led should come on
[01:25] <stuNNed> anyone else having ndiswrapper lock up the machine?
[01:25] <topyli> polaritius: limer has good advice. leave memtest running and go to sleep or something. let it run and see the report
[01:25] <mcphail> stuNNed: yes, when i used the wrong driver
[01:25] <polaritius> how do i run that, im sorry i ask so many questions im so new to linux
[01:26] <limer> polaritius, when I installed ubuntu with grub, it was an option
[01:26] <Fazer_> mcphail: Nope, it still doesn't.
[01:26] <limer> polaritius, also the UBCD has it
[01:26] <super_dude2> can someone help me change the defult heads in ubuntus login screen>
[01:26] <limer> ubcd.sf.net
[01:26] <topyli> polaritius: don't worry about that. this is a friendly place :)
[01:26] <Fazer_> mcphail: it says that the driver is present but the hardware isn't!
[01:26] <mcphail> Fazer_: damn
[01:26] <topyli> polaritius: you're running the live cd or installed ubuntu
[01:26] <polaritius> okay so the memtest should be on the ubcd then?
[01:26] <polaritius> installed
[01:27] <mjc> how do I tell apt to not care bout gpg? didn't see any prior responses
[01:27] <topyli> polaritius: ok, so you have the choice at boot time
[01:27] <limer> polaritius, it usually runs from a bootable floppy or bootable iso (cdrom)
[01:27] <polaritius> how much memory is really needed for ubuntu to run smoothly
[01:27] <cens0red> polaritius how's your cpu fan?
[01:27] <mcphail> Fazer_: we might have slightly different cards i suppose
[01:27] <polaritius> its good its only a 800 mhz p3
[01:28] <Fazer_> mcphail: mhmm...bah
[01:28] <cens0red> I got system jams like that interemittently over a period of 4 weeks once. Assumed it was my vid drivers. 'Till I discovered my cpu fan had burnt out.
[01:28] <polaritius> so when the system boots from the cd there will be an option for memtest86?
[01:28] <topyli> polaritius: what everybody's thinking about is something is broken physically
[01:28] <gabaug> are there really no updates to Hoary since it was released? is that b/c it's stable now?
[01:28] <limer> polaritius, at least with ubcd, yes
[01:28] <mcphail> Fazer_: are the leds on the card dimly lit?
[01:28] <polaritius> yeah i think i may have a bad memory chip
[01:28] <limer> you can also make a bootable floppy.  google for: memtest86
[01:28] <smouche> cens0red,  thanks for your reply above -- at least I know I'm not alone!  Gnome too, eh?  mine happens in kde; I crashed my session too trying to unlock the cpu...
[01:29] <Fazer_> mcphail: yes, that is as soon as you plug it in.
[01:29] <Fazer_> mcphail: But it isn't even seeing it as present (the hardware)
[01:29] <mcphail> Fazer_: it saw it ok with the other driver?
[01:30] <Fazer_> mcphail: yeah...
[01:30] <Fazer_> mcphail: but even then...still no lights?
[01:30] <Fazer_> so I am going to delete this and then try to instal that one =/
[01:30] <limer> polaritius, iirc - knoppix has an option to do memtest when booting
[01:30] <cens0red> smouche inexplicable! gmplayer just stalled, and sat there hogging cpu. I killed it in the terminal, then bang! I've got the gnome login screen infront of me.
[01:30] <mcphail> Fazer_: you could try again with the .inf file without the "a", but that one caused my kernel to panic.
[01:31] <Fazer_> mcphail: hmm...there is a file without the 'a' in the same directory
[01:31] <polaritius> i grabbed memtest off the net and downloaded the bootabel cd and im gonna run that
[01:31] <smouche> cens0red, exactly the same thing happened to me, but in kubuntu!
[01:31] <mcphail> Fazer_: yes, but caution as above
[01:31] <topyli> polaritius: iirc, you can get a bootable floppy image from the memtest86 site
[01:31] <polaritius> topyli: thanks i grabbed one
[01:31] <Fazer_> nope, still nothing.
[01:31] <Fazer_> bah.
[01:31] <smouche> just "mplayer" I've got, I think, cens0red, I don't think I have the kde front end, if there is one...
[01:31] <topyli> polaritius: it will take hours :)
[01:32] <super_dude2> can anyone help me change my defult picture for my userr account
[01:32] <polaritius> topyli: thats fine its nt my main machine :)
[01:32] <cens0red> smouche maybe it actually killed X. I don't recall seeing the nvidia splash screen, but I may have.
[01:32] <mcphail> Fazer_: sorry it didn't help
[01:32] <topyli> polaritius: ok, you can stay online :)
[01:32] <penguin42> wtf does  firefox want its plugins? I've tried /var/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins, ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins, ~/.mozilla/firefox/blah.default/plguins - is just fighting to get helix player
[01:32] <polaritius> topyli: well yes and no my toehr machine isnt on mirc im on the linux one
[01:33] <smouche> cens0red, this is especially annoying to me, cause I use amd64, with cpu throttling, and the only time the fan comes on full blast is with this sort of thing...
[01:33] <cens0red> smouche maybe it's the vo (video output) drivers you're using that are the catalyst for whatever it is?
[01:33] <cens0red> smouche you can change those in mplayer.conf.
[01:33] <Fazer_> mcphail: yeah, I will be probably going back to XP anyways.
[01:33] <thechitowncubs> hey
[01:33] <thechitowncubs> Do any of you guys use Galeon?
[01:33] <polaritius> hmmm my cd drivfe wont eject :(
[01:33] <cowbud> thechitowncubs: yah it rocks...
[01:33] <topyli> polaritius: that's hard to follow. i cannot parse all those typos =)
[01:33] <thechitowncubs> ploaritius: unmount it
[01:33] <smouche> could be cens0red, but I'm using the default nvidia, not the binary...
[01:33] <Fazer_> Linux just sucks with Wifi
[01:34] <penguin42> polaritius: Audio or data?
[01:34] <thechitowncubs> ya, i just tried it and I was pretty impressed
[01:34] <smouche> oops
[01:34] <thechitowncubs> linux doesn't suck w/ wifi
[01:34] <cowbud> Fazer: yah if you buy a bad card..
[01:34] <smouche> sorrry cens0red, I misunderstood
[01:34] <limer> I like galeon :X
[01:34] <Fazer_> cowbud: yes, 'bad' card..
[01:34] <Fazer_> cowbud: I don't think this card is "bad"
[01:34] <polaritius> penguin42: my cd rom drive i have data in it
[01:34] <cowbud> Fazer: it is 'bad' for linux cause it isn't supported WOW
[01:34] <smouche> I'll check mplayer.conf -- thanks for the tip, cens0red...
[01:34] <cowbud> think of that?
[01:34] <thechitowncubs> unmount it first polaritius
[01:34] <Fazer_> cowbud: riiight
[01:35] <polaritius> lol how do i unmount it?
[01:35] <limer> polaritius, right-click the icon on your desktop
[01:35] <cowbud> Fazer_: that is actaully the way it works. So when you buy hardware and you want to run linux with it check the web first..
[01:35] <thechitowncubs> it seems faster than firefox
[01:35] <polaritius> i seriously have to click eject in my computer window to eject, thats cool
[01:35] <cens0red> smouche try $mplayer -vo help . to se what vo drivers you have available.
[01:35] <cowbud> thechitowncubs: yah I would agree with that also because of the gtk api instead of xul stuff..
[01:35] <Fazer_> cowbud: I didn't buy it thinking that i will be running Linux
[01:36] <cowbud> Fazer_: bummer :)
[01:36] <Fazer_> although there was a slight chance i would be running Linux
[01:36] <Fazer_> now it is even more of a bummer when i have to get thos backups back. bah.
[01:36] <polaritius> okay then im about to run it wish me luck !! :_D
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Fazer_: if the card has no decent linux drivers, complain to the manufacturer
[01:37] <Fazer_> thoreauputic: What do you expect? Its made by Microsoft.  The other .11b card I heard works fine.
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Fazer_: oops - yes an MS crd could indeed be a problem :(
[01:37] <smouche> cens0red, I looking at it, but I don't know how to interpret what I'm seeing...
[01:38] <Fazer_> yeap
[01:38] <Fazer_> anyone know where I can get a real cheap .11b card that will work with linux (it can be .11g as well)
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Fazer_: complain anyway!
[01:38] <dcraven> Fazer, any luck?
[01:38] <cowbud> haha
[01:38] <Fazer_> dcraven: Nopers.
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Fazer_: they need a good kick in the arse...
[01:38] <dcraven> Fazer, none at all? Nothing works?
[01:38] <Fazer_> thoreauputic: oh, I avgree.
[01:39] <smouche> hmmm , cens0red, I'm seeing references to Matrox drivers, -- are those the same as nVidia?
[01:39] <Fazer_> dcraven: Well, soun doesn't work, wifi doesn't work and my video is pretty much choppy
[01:39] <Fazer_> dcraven: like when I move a window using the mouse, the window flickers'
[01:39] <dcraven> hehe.. Fazer bah.. Simple.
[01:39] <ryman> I downloaded xmms-wma-1.0.3.tar.bz2 and put it in my home folder. how do I install it ?
[01:39] <sadneophite> does anyone know how asoundcard is set up in ubuntu?
[01:39] <Fazer_> dcraven: Simple?
[01:39] <dcraven> Fazer, did you compile your own ndiswrapper module?
[01:40] <Fazer_> dcraven: compile? I used ubuntu to do it for me.
[01:40] <cens0red> smouche I really don't know. I'm finding the "xv" option works reasonably well for me.
[01:40] <thoreauputic> ryman: umm... why did you do that? Nothing in syanaptic?
[01:40] <ryman> nothing in synpatic
[01:40] <thoreauputic> *synaptic*
[01:40] <cens0red> smouche for e.g, $mplayer -vo xv [file] 
[01:40] <sadneophite> ndiswrappers don't always work so well
[01:40] <grayhead> hi room!
[01:40] <saik0_afk> Fazer_ does this describe you problem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18197
[01:40] <ryman> I don't see xmms-wma in synaptic
[01:40] <dcraven> Why doesn't anyone listen when I tell them the Ubuntu ndiswrapper module doesn't work with Broadcom?
[01:40] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  I did setup the synaptic but still there is no codec for mplayer
[01:41] <sadneophite> like i said ndiswrappers don't always work so well
[01:41] <Polaritius> so who was the one to tell me to check the memory?
[01:41] <Fazer_> saik0_afk: almost, yes!
[01:41] <limer> Polaritius, me
[01:41] <limer> and a few others :P
[01:41] <Polaritius> limer: 195 errors so far
[01:41] <thoreauputic> ryman: well, you made a mistake somewhere - w32codecs are available
[01:41] <limer> wow
[01:41] <hypno> ryman http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21414.html may help
[01:41] <Polaritius> wow 521
[01:41] <Polaritius> 822
[01:42] <smouche> well, I gotta do some homework on this, cens0red -- thanks for the lead...
[01:42] <limer> Polaritius, how many minutes running?
[01:42] <Polaritius> haha thats what i get for finding a computer on the side of the road
[01:42] <Polaritius> 4 minutes tops
[01:42] <limer> Polaritius, it's still cool though.  how many sticks in the box?
[01:42] <ryman> thoreauputic[]   can I post up my source.list somewhere and you check it for me ?
[01:42] <Polaritius> 1546 its just gonna get worse i know it
[01:42] <Polaritius> 2 i think
[01:42] <Polaritius> 2x128
[01:42] <Fazer_> dcraven: So...I got ndiswrapper from Synaptic...
[01:42] <saik0_afk> Fazer_, ya it's a known issuer, a real bugger of one as well. Nobody knows whether the bug is with xorg, or video drivers, or GTK, or GNOME...or...or
[01:42] <limer> Polaritius, ok.  time for process of elimination.  kill the box.  remove one stick, start again
[01:42] <Fazer_> saik0_afk: aah damn it =(
[01:43] <thoreauputic> ryman: I'll have a look - paste it on pastebin.com
[01:43] <Polaritius> limer: roger
[01:43] <sadneophite> does anyone know where I can pass options to my kernel to configure my sound card?
[01:43] <dcraven> Fazer, I know you did. And it didn't work for you on the LiveCD either...
[01:43] <smouche> Polaritius, in my neighborhood, people on seem to leave out the decent looking computer throways when it's raining!  I hate that!
[01:43] <saik0_afk> Fazer_, or metacity =P I've veen using XFCE and it's no long a problem
[01:43] <Polaritius> yeah i hear ya
[01:43] <Fazer_> dcraven: No, but this one driver SAW the card installed, but didn't see an access point nor did the lights go on.
[01:43] <Polaritius> this one they threw out becuase it ahd a dead hard drive and everything else was good
[01:44] <Fazer_> saik0: Fine, I think I will go with xfce, try it out before I go back to XP.  How do I install xfce? apt-get install xfce4 ?
[01:44] <dcraven> Fazer, so did it for my Broadcom. I couldn't see the access point until I compiled the newer 1.1 version myself.
[01:44] <penguin42> to install plugins under firefox, note that you want ~/.mozilla/plugins still - even though firefox puts all the rest of its stuff in a firefox subdirectory
[01:44] <limer> Polaritius, I'm always happy to take machines from ppl too :D
[01:44] <Fazer_> dcraven: What's the difference between compiling it and just using apt-get ?
[01:44] <pointwood> I bet you guys will like this headline: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/15/britain.gnome.ap/index.html
[01:45] <saik0> Fazer_, yep
[01:45] <pointwood> :p
[01:45] <Fazer_> saik0: Alright.
[01:45] <stillman> hello
[01:45] <Fazer_> damn
[01:45] <dockane> is it correct that 193.175.85.11 is currently unavailable ? (port 80) ?
[01:45] <Fazer_> After unpacking, 58.1 MB will be used? shits.
[01:45] <dcraven> Fazer, well it's a newer version for one. Ubuntu uses version 1.0rc2 while 1.1 has been available for a while from sourceforge.
[01:45] <saik0> Fazer_, xfce4-goodies would prbably be a good idea too
[01:45] <difeta> how do i allow administration of the cups web based interface?
[01:45] <Fazer_> saik0: ah yeah.
[01:46] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  thanks , http://pastebin.com/271844
[01:46] <Fazer_> actually, i will get xfce4 alter, let me see if I Can get my wifi to work.
[01:46] <Polaritius> i love it when people dont know enough about computers that they throw them out in the road for me
[01:46] <Polaritius> i look at it like charity
[01:46] <Fazer> mhmm
[01:46] <stillman> i have a question, how to solve the "starting hotplug subsystem" message when booting?
[01:46] <ryman> hypno[]  when I try to install xmms-wma i got these /bin/sh: xmms-config: command not found
[01:46] <ryman> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found
[01:47] <Fazer> dcraven, so I just get the vyer latest source and them compile it?
[01:47] <Polaritius> limer: i think we found our culprit
[01:47] <The_Shoe> im running ubuntu 4.10, how do i update to 5.04 without reinstalling?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> ryman: did you run sudo apt-get update  (or reload in synaptic)
[01:48] <ryman> yes I did
[01:48] <thoreauputic> ryman: no errors?
[01:48] <dcraven> Fazer, this is what I do --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[01:48] <Fazer> dcraven, thanks =)
[01:48] <limer> Polaritius, I hear that man.  I have a decent laptop I bought for very cheap (no hd, no battery)
[01:48] <dcraven> No problem.
[01:49] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  here is the error http://pastebin.com/271848
[01:49] <limer> runs knoppix fine when plugged into a wall :P
[01:49] <thoreauputic> ryman: OK looking
[01:49] <Polaritius> limer: i just ofund out the other day too that my main pc, my fast one has a bum memory module in it as well but thats not as cheap512 pc3200
[01:49] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  thanks
[01:50] <Polaritius> so will ubuntu run well on 128 ram pc100? prolly not right?
[01:50] <Polaritius> 800 p3
[01:50] <limer> Polaritius,  it's possible that you're in warranty still.  could try that route
[01:50] <Polaritius> ive had the pc for 4 years
[01:50] <thoreauputic> ryman: that's just an authentication warning - it should still work
[01:50] <Fazer> dcraven, apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-`uname -r` <---- Isn't that a lot of stuff to download?
[01:50] <Polaritius> current memory is 2100 but i can go up to 3200
[01:50] <dcraven> Fazer, don't forget to unload the old module (modprobe -r ndiswrapper) before you plug in the new one. And blow away the Windows drivers in /etc/ndiswrapper. It's best to reinstall them with the new set.
[01:50] <thoreauputic> ryman: what does ` apt-cache search w32codecs ` return?
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> I love ubuntu
[01:51] <stuNNed> how do i enable firefox plugins?  plugins exist in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins dir but they aren't being used.
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> I can't stop saying that
[01:51] <Pluk> :)
[01:51] <Polaritius> so can it run on 128 megs of ram?
[01:51] <Pluk> your right
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> I hope Ubuntu keeps growing
[01:51] <noxlord> Anyone know how to switch in run level 3 ?
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> and growing...
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> and growing...
[01:51] <limer> Polaritius, I don't know the specs . . . but with a lightweight window manager.  I don't see why now
[01:51] <limer> *not
[01:51] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  I type it in term ?
[01:51] <resiak> noxlord: You want to stop X? That's not how you do it on Ubuntu
[01:51] <dcraven> Fazer, depends what you think is alot. I don't think it is. Apt will tell you how much space it will take before it starts downloading.
[01:51] <Pluk> noxlord, init 3
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> Ubuntu has such a good community
[01:51] <thoreauputic> noxlord: yes, but it won't do anything in ubuntu
[01:51] <limer> openoffice might lag a bit
[01:51] <resiak> noxlord: Are you by any chance trying to install the nvidia driver?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> ryman: yes
[01:51] <Fazer> dcraven, yeah, mine is close to a whopping 80 MB
[01:51] <ryman> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[01:51] <noxlord> yes
[01:52] <Polaritius> like i say its more a chat machine than anything
[01:52] <Fazer> dcraven, so that is how much I will be downloading?
[01:52] <resiak> noxlord: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html
[01:52] <thechitowncubs> the only thing I want that I don't have yet is Skype working in gnome
[01:52] <Polaritius> chat and web while im gaming on the other
[01:52] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[01:52] <resiak> noxlord: That's a Debian tutorial, but it probably works for Ubuntu -- I've not used it on Ubuntu though.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> ryman: well, you have them then
[01:52] <dcraven> Is that what synaptic is telling you? It knows better than I do.
[01:52] <glens> anyone have any idea what might cause gnome 5 minutes before it shows the menu after I've logged in?
[01:52] <limer> Polaritius, the laptop I mention is a 400 MHz and runs fast using some of the smaller knoppix (debian) based live cds
[01:52] <thoreauputic> ryman , do this
[01:52] <noxlord> resiak: ok
[01:52] <thechitowncubs> how do you start "esd" after it is killed"
[01:52] <thechitowncubs> ?
[01:52] <limer> damn small linux, feather linux
[01:52] <dcraven> err.. Fazer, Is that what synaptic is telling you? It knows better than I do.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> ryman  sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[01:52] <Polaritius> limer: so would you reccommend the live cd over the installed one?
[01:53] <Fazer> dcraven, no i am in the shell when I type in apt-get thing
[01:53] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  its installing
[01:53] <thoreauputic> ryman: yup
[01:53] <limer> Polaritius, not for everyday use no.  but I'm just trying to say that you would be surprised what older machines can do with linux ;)
[01:53] <dcraven> Fazer, that tells you how much space is needed too.
[01:53] <ryman> can I try sudo apt-get install xmms-wma ?
[01:54] <limer> Polaritius,  I use a live cd b/c I have to with the laptop (no hd)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> ryman: I don't think so - but what do you need it for?
[01:54] <Polaritius> ahhhh
[01:54] <limer> but live cds are nice to take a peek
[01:54] <stillman> my live cd for amd64 stops booting in hotplug subsystem, how to fix this please?
[01:54] <Polaritius> so it just runs in resident memory then?
[01:54] <ryman> thechitowncubs[]   for the xmms player can play .wma files
[01:54] <Fazer> dcraven, oh i see.
[01:55] <thechitowncubs> ryman: I know
[01:55] <limer> Polaritius, runs out of ram and swap space if available (at least knoppix does).  have you tried knoppix?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> ryman: that ain't gonna happen - but possibly mplayer or xine with the codecs would
[01:55] <sadneophite> does anyone know in what file options are passed to the sound modules during boot
[01:55] <Fazer> dcraven, damn, in your howto, there is the source directory, i don't have /usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.1/
[01:55] <thoreauputic> ryman: to compile that tarball, you would need to install build-essential
[01:56] <sadneophite> Fazer gotta install it
[01:56] <dcraven> Fazer, follow the directions Fazer.
[01:56] <ryman> thoreauputic[]   mplayer can play .wmv files now thanks
[01:56] <limer> why can't gnucash just evolve
[01:56] <Polaritius> limer: this is my first time ever useing linux ever
[01:56] <Polaritius> limer: i installed it yesterday
[01:56] <thoreauputic> ryman: cool :)
[01:56] <stefan> hi
[01:56] <Fazer> dcraven, ooh wait, do I HAVE to put it in /usr/src ?
[01:56] <sadneophite> ndiswrapper-utils
[01:56] <stefan> i have a question
[01:56] <ryman> somehow when I right click - full screen
[01:56] <thechitowncubs> how do you start "esd" after it is killed"
[01:56] <ryman> the movie is'nt full screen , only mplayer is full screen
[01:56] <dcraven> Fazer, start from step #1 for cryin' out loud!! haha
[01:56] <limer> Polaritius, that's cool bro.  I think you'd really like knoppix.  get most all the perks without any messing of the hd
[01:57] <Fazer> dcraven,  damn =(
[01:57] <Polaritius> limer: messing of the hard drive?
[01:57] <dcraven> Fazer, you can put it wherever you like.
[01:57] <stefan> i read somewhere that there is a ntfs writer for linux
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ryman: I strongly suggest you install xine-ui and give that a try
[01:57] <Fazer> dcraven, okay...
[01:57] <thechitowncubs> totem and Firefox are a good mix
[01:57] <thechitowncubs> works great
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ryman: mplayer is kind of tricky
[01:57] <stefan> do you know where can i find it?
[01:57] <limer> Polaritius, so long as you don't touch utilities meant to mess with the hd . . . it won't affect data on the hard drive(s)
[01:58] <ryman> thoreauputic[]   downloading and installling
[01:58] <Polaritius> limer: i have no idea what im doing with system settings ill figure it out tho, like you said tho its running well with 128 ram too, im very surprised
[01:58] <limer> Polaritius, so you could have a windows machine that you love and still check out knoppix without windows ever knowing linux was run on the machine
[01:58] <thoreauputic> ryman: also install xine-skins
[01:58] <Polaritius> limer: lol thats right they are sititng next to each other its like a couple in the same room but in two different beds
[01:58] <limer> Polaritius, knoppix is also nice for all the hardware detection it has
[01:59] <limer> :P
[01:59] <thoreauputic> ryman: gives you options for how it looks and the different skins have varying ease of use
[01:59] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  I dont see xine-skins on synaptic
[01:59] <sadneophite> has anyone here found the configuration file for alsa 1.08 on ubuntu 5.04?
[01:59] <ryman> but I instaleld xine ... its really niceeeeeeeee
[01:59] <thoreauputic> ryman: apt-cache search xine-skins
[01:59] <ryman> thoreauputic[]   how do uninstall mplayer ?
[01:59] <Polaritius> limer: does ubuntu have a networking system that is compatible with windows? becuase i can see all my other machines files ?
[01:59] <limer> samba
[01:59] <ryman> do I do it in synaptic too ? right click removal ?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> ryman: don't bother
[02:00] <thoreauputic> ryman: it might be useful at times
[02:00] <Polaritius> limer: so it is built in then/
[02:00] <limer> Polaritius, yes
[02:00] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  i c
[02:00] <Polaritius> limer: w00t
[02:00] <thoreauputic> ryman: some things play better in one or the other
[02:00] <ryman> thoreauputic[]   can you help me to get xmms plays wma file ?
[02:00] <thoreauputic> ryman: I've never tried it
[02:01] <limer> Polaritius, but I know little about samba myself.  I'm no guru man.  just some linux experience.  but I love linux :D
[02:01] <thechitowncubs> is there a slideshow function like there is in Windows XP?
[02:01] <thechitowncubs> or a program that can do that?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> ryman: if you aren't used to compiling, give it a miss until you're more comfortable
[02:01] <Polaritius> limer: it wont let me play mp3's... do i have to download plugins for it or get winamp or something
[02:01] <limer> Polaritius, what won't?  that damn totem thing?
[02:01] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  i c thanks
[02:01] <limer> I use xmms
[02:02] <thoreauputic> ryman: apt-cache search is quicker and more useful thab synaptic, for finding stuff (in my opinion)
[02:02] <Polaritius> limer: yeah totem says "no decoders found to handle the stream in file "blah blah blah" you might need to install corresponding plugins
[02:02] <thoreauputic> Polaritius: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:03] <sadneophite> does anyone know in what file I set the alias es for my alsa driver
[02:03] <limer> I still haven't gotten totem to use the win32 codecs even after linking the damn things
[02:03] <ryman> i did apt-cache search xmms-wma
[02:03] <ryman> and it didn't say anything
[02:03] <limer> Polaritius, use synaptic to get xmms
[02:03] <thoreauputic> limer: you need totem-xine
[02:03] <Polaritius> synaptic?
[02:03] <Fazer> dcraven, so I guess its installed now.
[02:03] <Fazer> dcraven, ndiswrapper from source tha tis
[02:03] <limer> apps >> system tools >> add/remove
[02:04] <limer> thoreauputic, looking  . . .
[02:04] <sadneophite> does anyone know what the debian help irc channel is :?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> Polaritius: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[02:04] <limer> thoreauputic, not listed
[02:05] <Fazer_> dcraven: you know what?
[02:05] <thoreauputic> limer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:05] <Fazer_> dcraven: i want to fucking KISS YOU
[02:05] <Fazer_> dcraven: Like..NOW
[02:05] <Fazer_> dcraven: Like...wher are you?
[02:05] <miketech> Hi
[02:05] <Fazer_> yo
[02:05] <Marble2> Where can I find out what the latest kernel avalible (stable) for hoary is?
[02:05] <Fazer_> dcraven: it BLINKS!
[02:05] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: don't go there
[02:06] <dcraven> Fazer, well that's good I guess.. heh.
[02:06] <miketech> Ive released the first version of my art.gnome.org frontend. maybe you are interested in: http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/
[02:06] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: it's #debian, but stay away if it's a ubuntu question
[02:06] <Fazer_> dcraven: its mroe than that, its AWESOME
[02:06] <dcraven> Fazer, set 'er up baby! I'm goin' to get a snack.
[02:06] <Fazer_> dcraven: So, now, how do I do that?
[02:06] <Fazer_> hmm
[02:06] <Fazer_> better read the howto then
[02:06] <Polaritius> thoreauputic: what is totem-xine?
[02:07] <Marble2> Polaritius: video player
[02:07] <thoreauputic> Polaritius: it's totem with the xine back-end
[02:07] <Polaritius> should i have it?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> Polaritius: I personally prefer xine-ui
[02:07] <sadneophite> thoreauputic too late, THEY are helping me.... :)
[02:07] <sadneophite> thoreauputic well maybe not..
[02:08] <dcraven> Fazer, you might get some love in System-->Administration-->Networking.
[02:08] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: good - they must have changed their attittude :)
[02:08] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: pretty hard-core channel :)
[02:08] <dcraven> Fazer, but now I'm really afk for a few minutes.. Good luck.
[02:08] <Fazer_> dcraven: aah yes okay
[02:08] <sadneophite> well, where is my modules.conf or conf.modules, or whatever ubuntu renamed it to...
[02:09] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: you usually put modules in /etc/modules in debian based distros
[02:09] <Fazer_> dcraven: thanks again, i LOVE j00.
[02:09] <yottoflop> does ubuntu use submount, autofs, __ for automounting?
[02:09] <ryman> thoreauputic[]   do you see xmms-wma in your synaptic ?
[02:09] <sadneophite> thoreauputic yein.... that is jsut for boot time
[02:09] <thoreauputic> ryman: no
[02:09] <Polaritius> umm i think xmms just crashed my system :-P
[02:09] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: correct
[02:09] <sadneophite> thoreauputic in the old days you put your alsa aliases in the conf.modules
[02:09] <ryman> whenever I try to compile xmms-wma I got errors =(
[02:10] <limer> you guys aren't allowed to talk while I'm trying to learn other things :P
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ryman: that's what I expected you to get
[02:10] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:10] <ryman> thoreauputic[]  =(
[02:10] <sadneophite> here thoreaputic... I will give you the lines, and you guess the file
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ryman: compiling isn't always trivial
[02:11] <sadneophite> thoreauputic now guess
[02:11] <sadneophite> thoreauputic i don't think I like the 2.6 kernel anymore....
[02:12] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:12] <sadneophite> thoreauputic I can't even modprobe it
[02:12] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: you get an error on modprobe?
[02:13] <sadneophite> thoreauputic yeah, my lsmod is soooo ugly with the new alsa
[02:13] <limer> thoreauputic, woot!  video and now no sound :P
[02:13] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: I don't know much about alsa, sorry
[02:13] <thoreauputic> limer: no sound on one file, or on all?
[02:14] <fazer__> now, in eed to get sound working.
[02:14] <limer> thoreauputic, well the only piece or porn on the box at the moment ;)
[02:14] <Polaritius> how do i change the default output device for sound? ebcuase i have a usb headset and a speaker
[02:14] <bitsmash> hi...anyone compiled blender-cvs on ubuntu?
[02:14] <sadneophite> thoreauputic the error is that it isn't found.  but the 'autodetect' which doesn work for this car :/usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/... description file, says I have to pass the options manually
[02:14] <Polaritius> id like it to output through the speak
[02:14] <thoreauputic> lol @ limer
[02:14] <limer> thoreauputic, mp3s and ogg the same deal
[02:14] <sadneophite> VERFICKTEN ALSA
[02:15] <thoreauputic> limer: mp3 should play in rhythmbox if you install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:15] <thoreauputic> and oggs should just play...
[02:15] <limer> thoreauputic, yeah, I can use xmms without problems
[02:16] <limer> thoreauputic: call me ungrateful, I'd like to hear moaning
[02:16] <fazer__> now, whats ag ood ftp program?
[02:16] <limer> :P
[02:16] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: moments like these I wish crimsun was here :(
[02:16] <fazer__> hmm
[02:16] <sadneophite> or Blissex
[02:16] <fazer__> thoreauputic, what happened?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> fazer__: gftp is a decent ftp GUI client
[02:17] <fazer__> thoreauputic, oh, awesome
[02:17] <sadneophite> thoreauputic, blissex actually helped me get this bad mother running with a 2.4 kernel about 2 years ago
[02:17] <fazer__> thoreauputic, apt-get intall gftp?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> fazer__: yup
[02:17] <Polaritius> limer: xmms isnt working it keeps not loading
[02:17] <fazer__> Awesome, god i love this
[02:17] <thoreauputic> sudo of course...
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Polaritius: try changing the output to esd
[02:18] <limer> Polaritius: when you used synaptic, did you click "apply" also?
[02:18] <sadneo__> do the underscore help with anything?
[02:18] <Polaritius> limer: yer
[02:18] <Polaritius> yes
[02:18] <Polaritius> thoreauputic: is that under like a settings area?
[02:18] <sadneophite> thoreauputic so, debian channel?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Polaritius: yes, options I think
[02:19] <limer> Polaritius: also try launching from a terminal
[02:19] <limer> I'm just curious
[02:19] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: hrm.... if you're brave, yeah :)
[02:19] <Polaritius> limer: hahahah terminal that thing is very confusing
[02:19] <Polaritius> limer: its like dos, after dos took 12 hits of acid
[02:19] <linuxn00b> Hi. Does anyone know a working on-the-fly compression file system for Hoary?
[02:19] <limer> no doubt :P
[02:20] <Polaritius> limer: and then its parents found outand started beating the shit outta it
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Polaritius: no, more like DOS on steroids ;)
[02:20] <linuxn00b> somethine like doublespace for linux?
[02:20] <Polaritius> hehe i was getting to that part
[02:20] <limer> once I got help via bitch-x and I KNEW the command line was the holy grail ;)
[02:21] <Polaritius> about how linux wanted to be cool instead of a junkie so he started taking steroids with all his oS/2 buddies
[02:21] <[nrx] > terminal rules.
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Polaritius: there's really no comparison - bash beats the **&%$ out of dos on all fronts
[02:21] <Polaritius> and then he split liek an amoeba and he named it Terminal
[02:22] <limer> speaking of things holy.  how bout that Holy Hand Grenade
[02:23] <Polaritius> thoreauputic: do you mean change it to eSound Output plugin?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> yup
[02:23] <thoreauputic> try that
[02:23] <fazer__> ok...now, time to reboot.
[02:23] <thoreauputic> crimsun recommends it so it must be right since he's $DEITY_SOUND
[02:24] <sadneophite> thoreauputic they were so helpful
[02:24] <Polaritius> ooh thats hot
[02:24] <Polaritius> thanks so much
[02:24] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: glad to hear it...
[02:24] <something_else> ok, how do you create a user for postgresql
[02:25] <something_else> what i mean is, i cant seem to find the initdb command, nor can i find who the current db users are ... there probably are none
[02:25] <something_else> and if that is the case, how can a user for postgresql be created?
[02:26] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: all of the modules.conf // conf.modules calls are done in /etc/modprobe.d/   you can apparently jst add a file
[02:26] <thoreauputic> something_else: have you asked in #postgresql ?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: cool
[02:27] <femv> hi there people
[02:27] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: yeah... I always did get the spooks when i tipptowed through the modules.conf file
[02:27] <femv> how can i configure the modules i want to be loaded at boot time?
[02:27] <limer> I didn't think gnucash would work with gnome2
[02:27] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: good to hear the denizens of #debian are becoming more helpful :)
[02:28] <hypno> femv have a look at /etc/modules
[02:28] <femv> hypno... how do i modify that .. is that plain text ?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> femv: put them in /etc/modules
[02:28] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: dude: debian was hacking the irs when I was still in diapers
[02:28] <hypno> femv yes
[02:28] <something_else> well i asked the other day but I couldnt find anyone specific to ubuntu
[02:29] <something_else> because the way ubuntu is different
[02:29] <something_else> for example
[02:29] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: oh, I'm not critical of debian at all - I learnt almost everything on debian
[02:29] <something_else> there is no initdb
[02:29] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: and in that channel
[02:29] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: on debian or on #debian?
[02:29] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: ahh sorry...
[02:29] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: a bit of both
[02:30] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: #debian is fine if you ask good questions
[02:30] <femv> hypno... what if i dont want my laptop to look up for pcmcia at boot time
[02:30] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: well , I still am having problems underwstanding the difference between debian and ubuntu...
[02:30] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: there isn't much diff on the configuration level
[02:30] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: ubuntu is debian but debian isn't ubuntu sorta like that rectangle and square thing
[02:30] <thoreauputic> hahah :)
[02:31] <bthornton> how do I check if package "xyz" is installed?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> kind of the other way around, but whatever :)
[02:31] <Pishu> hi everybody
[02:31] <mjc> anyone played with building mono on amd64?
[02:31] <dcraven> bthornton, do a search in synaptic. A green box means it's installed.
[02:32] <thoreauputic> bthornton: apt-cache policy <packagename>
[02:32] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: once I deleted my /dev/hda from my devtree on my susebox ... I first place I went to was #debian while my computer was still running
[02:32] <bthornton> Synaptic
[02:32] <yottoflop> I'm following this tutorial on the wiki about building a new kernel, as I want the alps patch applied, and I think I made a dpatch fine, but the instructions really don't help much after that... what's dpatch-edit-patch, for example? do i have to apply the patch to the sources in the temp source directory?
[02:32] <bthornton> ... thankx threauputic
[02:32] <bthornton> (can't use synaptic in shell)
[02:32] <dcraven> bthornton, aptitude then...
[02:32] <femv> pcmcia_socket0 : unable to apply power.... have days looking for a solution
[02:32] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: #debian has a high guru count ;)
[02:33] <tibor> hi, is there anybody experienced with installing skype on ubuntu 5.04?
[02:33] <dhonn> http://www.ubuntuguide.com
[02:33] <dhonn> .org i mean
[02:33] <bthornton> Ok, well here's the deal... I'm not actually in Ubuntu--I'm in Fedora on a Dual-boot Ubuntu/Fedora machine, trying to administer the Ubuntu installation while chroot'ed into my Ubuntu root partition.
[02:34] <femv> pcmcia_socket0 : unable to apply power.... have days looking for a solution
[02:34] <tibor> i diid all as in uibuntuguide, but when calling, the skype stops and i must go out of the program
[02:34] <bthornton> and apt-cache policy is trying to hitup the internet
[02:34] <goldfish> omg
[02:34] <bthornton> What I'm really trying to find out is if "linux-modules-restricted" is installed... you guys know if that installs by default?
[02:34] <goldfish> bthornton: nice name :)
[02:35] <goldfish> First person i've met that has the same as me :)
[02:35] <bthornton> umm...
[02:35] <bthornton> bthornton != goldfish
[02:35] <goldfish> bthornton: goldfish = karl thornton
[02:35] <bthornton> aaaah
[02:35] <bthornton> cool :)
[02:35] <goldfish> :)
[02:36] <bthornton> Does the package "linux-modules-restricted" get installed by default in 5.04 ?
[02:37] <dcraven> bthornton, I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt it.
[02:37] <bthornton> The reason I ask is because the module I need for network connectivity is apparently in that package--however, if it's not installed, I'll have to get "clever" as I cannot simply apt-get it without network connectivity.
[02:37] <femv>  pcmcia_socket0 : unable to apply power.... have days looking for a soluti
[02:37] <thoreauputic> bthornton:  dpkg -l packagename | grep ^ii  ( but there isn't a linux-modules-restricted package as such as far as I know)
[02:37] <bthornton> dcraven: That's what I was afraid of
[02:38] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: you know my problem... should I start trying to get the card working with modprobe before writing anything into a config file?
[02:38] <tibor> so nobody can help me with skype?
[02:38] <dcraven> bthornton, maybe it's on the CD?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: if modprobe fails, I guess there's a problem?
[02:38] <hypno> femv this may be useful: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/pcmcia.html
[02:38] <bthornton> dcraven: hmm... Well, is there anything on the CD which doesn't get installed?  I was under the impression that the "standard install" installed everything on the CD.
[02:39] <neighborlee> I just removed my nvidia-glx driver..installed linux-header-2.6.10-5-386...rebooted to telinit3..ran ./NV*.run and rebooted now desktop wont load...does removing nvidia-glx remove something the desktop needs to boot properly ???
[02:39] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: yeah that was sorta my guess too but the snd entry in the lsmod is REALLY long
[02:39] <neighborlee> all I did before installing ./NV*.run was : apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[02:39] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: I wish I knew what the hell it was doing...
[02:40] <thoreauputic> bthornton: try  linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[02:40] <dcraven> bthornton, I dunno the answer to that.
[02:41] <thoreauputic> bthornton: but if you are chrooted, that will be misleading
[02:41] <Polaritius> thanks for all your help guys Polaritius OUT!
[02:41] <bthornton> true...
[02:41] <thoreauputic> bthornton: the package is kernel specific
[02:41] <bthornton> well, if all else fails, I'll just have to go home and get hard-wired into my network
[02:41] <sadneophite> does anyone know what sysV gui works best with ubuntu?
[02:41] <bthornton> (i'm on a wirless connection here)
[02:42] <bthornton> I'll figure something out
[02:42] <bthornton> thanx guys!
[02:42] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: which sysV gui works best?
[02:42] <beggar> how I do to execute a script in the inicialization?...i can't find rc.local in ubuntu....
[02:43] <goldfish> init.d/ ?
[02:43] <thoreauputic> damn I just found an naswer for bthornton...and he's left :(
[02:43] <sadneophite> baggar same problem
[02:43] <goldfish> hrmm.. maybe not
[02:43] <beggar> i don't think so...
[02:43] <dcraven> neighborlee, have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors.
[02:43] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: which sysV gui works best?  << no idea, sorry
[02:44] <dcraven> Where did Fazer go?
[02:44] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: thanks
[02:44] <beggar> i want to execute a script that inicializes my internet connection
[02:44] <beggar> how can I do it?
[02:44] <sadneophite> beggar: yeah I jsut want to edit my sysV init scrips too
[02:45] <thoreauputic> for anyone interested, to find installed restricted modules, do dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-* | grep ^ii
[02:45] <tibor> so nobody can help me to install skype?
[02:45] <beggar> i've read something of create a rc.boot directory....but it didn't work
[02:45] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: I can only suggest man update-rc.d
[02:46] <sadneophite> thoreauputic: checking it out
[02:46] <beggar> tibor, http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[02:46] <thoreauputic> beggar: you put the sript in /etc/init.d , then use update-rc.d
[02:46] <thoreauputic> *script
[02:46] <tibor> beggar, I did that already, but skype freezes at the first calll...
[02:46] <beggar> hmm..tks..i will try
[02:47] <neighborlee> dcraven: ill have a peek thx...sad part is nvidia compiled  nice and clean and I still can't get in LOL..anyway thx ill bb after a reboot to check <
[02:47] <thoreauputic> beggar: or quick and dirty - put the lines at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[02:47] <EricNeon> morning
[02:47] <dcraven> I'll bet anything his module isn't loaded.
[02:48] <dcraven> It'll load for him during boot I guess... Whatever works.
[02:48] <dhonn> how do i install source code ?
[02:48] <hawke> dhonn: apt-get source packagename
[02:48] <dhonn> thanks
[02:48] <sadneophite> dhonn usually it is fairly simple
[02:49] <tibor> beggar, I even tried with staticQT installing, but then it do not find libXft.so.1
[02:49] <dhonn> im still getting use to apt
[02:49] <sadneophite> dhonn check out the README or INTALL texts in the package which you downloaded
[02:49] <beggar> tibor, so....install it!
[02:49] <hawke> dhonn: wait...did you mean install source code of a package, or install a program from the source code?
[02:49] <dhonn> just install source code
[02:49] <tibor> beggar, this lib does not exist with deb
[02:50] <dhonn> i have a few patches i wrote awhile back that I want to play with
[02:50] <hawke> dhonn: then apt-get source is likely what you want.
[02:50] <tibor> and all is working without problem on my SUSE 9.0
[02:50] <dhonn> where does it install to?
[02:51] <hawke> dhonn: the current directory
[02:51] <hawke> dhonn: in package-version
[02:51] <slonocode> hello-----how do i set bttv options for boot time----bttv card=10 tuner=50?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> tibor:  apt-cache search libXft << i think you'll find what you need there
[02:51] <dcraven> tibor, libxft2 is in apt.
[02:52] <beggar> tibor, yes it is
[02:52] <beggar> as libxft2
[02:53] <thoreauputic> libxft1 is there as well ( well, on warty anyway)
[02:56] <RexM> np: Third Eye Blind - Deep Inside Of You (0:13/4:11)
[02:57] <regeya> Primus - Fish On
[02:58] <darGor> hi there
[02:59] <MMond> hi!
[02:59] <MMond> I hope that hi was to me? :s
[02:59] <DocUb> wow
[02:59] <DocUb> TinyIRC is seriously an odd client to be using
[02:59] <MMond> Hrmm? Why? o.0
[02:59] <tibor> installed the libxft, now the same situation as with the debian skype package, the program starts nice but freezes at the first call:(((  the only way: killalll skype
[03:00] <DocUb> it doesn't let you use the arrow keys to go back up of what you said before
[03:00] <DocUb> doesn't show your name and won't let you connect to another server once connected to another
[03:00] <DocUb> I tried epic4, and was beautiful, but epic5 is out but won't compile right
[03:01] <MMond> DocUb :Sounds "tiny" alright! Well, maybe it supports the features . . . just that you'd have to take an extra step to find out? ;s
[03:01] <tibor> is there anybody who couls install skype on ubuntu 5.04 as it is directed in the ubuntuguide?
[03:02] <Marble2> are there any good tools for joining video files ?
[03:02] <saik0> can someone recommend a good GTK2 jukebox app that works with BMP?
[03:02] <cens0red> Marble2 mencoder
[03:02] <darGor-> hi there. i just installed ubuntu, and all is FANTASTIC. the eth0 is up, but i dont know how to configure the dsl. i only ran the command 'adsl-setup' but nothing. how to confiogure it in gnome, graphically?
[03:02] <goldfish> Marble2: cat :)
[03:03] <goldfish> tbh
[03:03] <dhonn> anyone writting an ubuntu book
[03:03] <beggar> tibor, wait a moment i will try
[03:03] <goldfish> cat a.mpg b.mpg c.mpg >> moo.mpg works fine for me for example
[03:03] <Marble2> let me try it goldfish
[03:04] <tibor> thanks, beggar
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Marble2:  should work fine - works for mp3 and ogg, so I don't see why not...
[03:04] <cens0red> Marble2 http://www.cscs.ch/~mvalle/mencoder/tips.html
[03:04] <cens0red> and http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~apapadop/linux/tips.html
[03:06] <thoreauputic> saik0: have you looked at streamtuner?
[03:06] <beggar> continuing with the script in the initialization question: i run  update-rc.d with the option..........?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> beggar: defaults?
[03:07] <darGor-> hey, i installed ubuntu, but, how to configure adsl? i dont see a graphically configuration, and command 'adsl-setup' dont work
[03:08] <darGor-> and dont have rp-pppoe
[03:08] <beggar> defaults? without option?
[03:08] <MMond> I'm a nub . . . trying to install Adobe Reader 7.0  by the tarball provided by the Adobe site officially. Anywasy . . . so I just did "tar -xzvf file.tar.gz" . . . . and now, just did "./INSTALL" . . . I wasn't root -- I just realized -- did I need to be root?
[03:08] <dcraven> beggar, have a look at "man update-rc.d" for more good info.
[03:09] <stefan> hi
[03:09] <thoreauputic> darGor-   pppoeconf  ?
[03:09] <mcphail> MMond: the marillat repo has a .deb
[03:09] <stefan> should i use captive, the ntfs read-write driver?
[03:09] <saik0> thoreauputic, I'm specifically looking for something to organize my music colletion with file tags
[03:09] <dcraven> MMond, not if it worked you didn't :)
[03:09] <thoreauputic> saik0: ah - have a look at tagtool
[03:10] <MMond> mcphail: But wouldn't it be rather advisable to use the 'thing' given by officially by Adobe itself?
[03:10] <darGor-> thoreauputic: yes but dont have
[03:10] <MMond> dcraven: 266 Mhz laptop ;\
[03:10] <darGor-> thoreauputic: the eth0 is activated, but i cant find any  assitant
[03:10] <Huey> every time i try to play a file that's too large, the program complains : The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[03:10] <MMond> and the tarball was like over 35 megs I think, anyways
[03:10] <thoreauputic> saik0: easytag  is another one
[03:10] <Huey> this happens whether i use totem-xine, mplayer, vlc...
[03:11] <Huey> does anyone know what the problem could be?
[03:11] <dcraven> darGor-, can you do it in System-->Administration-->Networking?
[03:11] <Huey> my system has 768 mb of ram, and a 16 mb video card
[03:11] <hypno> MMond no, that's not usually the way most linux distributions work
[03:11] <yfir> darGor-: you may have to download or somehow install pppoeconf, but that's what i used to configure my pppoe ADSL connection
[03:11] <thoreauputic> darGor-: pppoeconf is installed by default, as far as I can see ( I have it here and I don't use adsl)
[03:11] <hypno> MMond try just apt-get install acroread
[03:11] <darGor> dcraven: yes, only shows me the eth0 is activated. no more.
[03:11] <MMond> hypno: Huh? You mean . . . I don't need to log into root for the most parts?
[03:11] <dcraven> MMond, if you needed to be root to install it, then it would not have worked (permission denied).
[03:12] <darGor> thoreauputic: yes i tried commnand sudo pppoeconf but nothing..
[03:12] <beggar> tibor
[03:12] <dcraven> darGor, did you click the properties button?
[03:12] <beggar> my skupe don't freezes
[03:12] <tibor> yes, beggar
[03:12] <MMond> It never said 'permission denied' exactly . . . but I was getting weird messages. Thought the problem might had been actually permission problem
[03:12] <beggar> *skype
[03:12] <thoreauputic> darGor: hmm - odd
[03:12] <hypno> MMond no, you will need to be root to use apt-get to install things
[03:12] <hypno> or use sudo
[03:12] <saik0> thoreauputic, thanks. I meant something similar to rhythmbox, but not depending on all those gnome libs
[03:13] <darGor> dcraven: yes i tried all, but the network properties just show me "eth0 active" etc, but i want to set user,  pass, etc, to join internet
[03:13] <MMond> hypno: Isn't it advisable to rather install the program given by Adobe itself, then . . . 'acroread,' I think it is?
[03:13] <yfir> saik0: did someone mention Zinf? it's pretty good, and pretty light
[03:13] <beggar> tibor, with you maybe it is a sound configuration problem
[03:13] <tibor> beggar, did you try a call?
[03:13] <mcphail> MMond: not it you want it to install into menus, be updated etc
[03:13] <thoreauputic> MMond:  if you are running hoary, try evince
[03:14] <beggar> yes
[03:14] <MMond> This installation requires 94 MB of free disk space.  <-- dear God . . .
[03:14] <mcphail> The acrobat 7 reader seems quite nice
[03:14] <yfir> MMond: that's acroreader for you :)
[03:14] <hypno> MMond acroread is the adobe-made reader for linux
[03:14] <tibor> what can than be the problem? players are working good, and it is a brand new install...
[03:15] <thoreauputic> MMond: i you need a small pdf reader, what's wrong with xpdf?
[03:15] <saik0> whats wrong with evince? =)
[03:15] <darGor> well i'll download rpppoe here in windows. i dont know what is the name /dev/hdb* of windows partition.. what's the command in lnx to show me what is the name??
[03:16] <tibor> and the other OS on the same PC (SUSE) is doing well with skype...
[03:16] <mcphail> What's wrong with acroead? 94 megs is nothing...
[03:16] <MMond> Be updated? I'd just have to type "apt-get install" and it would take care of everything? Okies . . . but I have downloaded this now . . . (had to do tar -xvzf file.tar.gz and then ./INSTALL - means I just essentially complied the 'source,' right?) But just out of curiosity - to "update" something that I originally compiled from source - how would I do that?
[03:16] <MMond> This very laptop I'm using right now is about 7 years old . . . not the greatest hard drive
[03:16] <yfir> MMond: do you need to just read pdfs? xpdf and gpdf are lighter versions that will read pdfs as well as acroread
[03:16] <mcphail> MMond: if you've got the source code to acrobat, you're worth a fair bit of money ;p
[03:17] <dcraven> evince is a very nice pdf/ps reader too.
[03:17] <cens0red> is ALSA standard on ubuntu? Or OSS?
[03:17] <beggar> but i can't use skype in linux anyway......i hear the other person but my microfone don't works......i've an integrated ac'97 soundchip...is there anyway to get  the microfone working?
[03:17] <beggar> cens0red, i think OSS
[03:17] <beggar> no
[03:17] <beggar> EDD
[03:17] <beggar> or something like that
[03:17] <thoreauputic> cens0red: alsa is standard with 2.6.* kernels
[03:18] <cens0red> thoreauputic how do I tell which one I've got?
[03:18] <MMond> yfir: Isn't it also true that I might have compatilibity problems -- for, suppose, newly created files by newer versions of Adobe software?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> cens0red: you definitely have alsa
[03:18] <cens0red> thoreauputic thanx.
[03:18] <niran> cens0red, it's ALSA, but if you're trying to configure a program, you probably want to point it at the sound server, ESD
[03:18] <MMond> Adobe Reader 7.0 is the latest . . .
[03:18] <hypno> MMond http://ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[03:18] <yfir> MMond: it's possible i guess, but i've never heard of it  happening
[03:18] <thoreauputic> cens0red: on warty you have oss as well
[03:19] <tibor> it seems that I should finish wuth Ubuntu and remain with SUSE:(((
[03:19] <yfir> MMond: if you just need to read pdfs, you should already have xpdf on your system anyway
[03:19] <cens0red> niran I don't know anything about ESD.
[03:19] <beggar> tibor, wich sound server are you using?
[03:19] <pharaonic_anubis> How do I go about using bit torrent?
[03:19] <mcphail> MMond: the adobe product is good. It will also allow you to fill in forms etc. xpdf is also good.
[03:19] <niran> cens0red, what are you trying to do?
[03:19] <saik0> yfir, yea thats clsoe to what I need, no flac or aac support though. It looks liike I'll just have to stick to rhythmbox
[03:19] <tibor> the default, OSS
[03:19] <Jet2k5> dcraven, you around?
[03:20] <pharaonic_anubis> I installed the BitTorrent app from the ubuntu repositories? How do I download a torrent file using it?
[03:20] <yfir> MMond: gpdf is another one to try if you don't like the old-fashioned look of xpdf
[03:20] <cens0red> niran set up any multitrack audio ... audacity, ardour, et al.
[03:20] <thoreauputic> MMond: linux pdf readers arew pretty good, you know - why use adobe ones if the available Free ones work?
[03:20] <goldfish> pharaonic_anubis: www.torrentspy.com
[03:20] <niran> cens0red, oh. ALSA is probably what you want there
[03:20] <yfir> saik0: Zinf is newish, but worth keeping an eye on. i've been pretty impressed so far
[03:21] <dcraven> pharaonic_anubis, click on it.
[03:21] <dcraven> Jet2k5, yes. What's up?
[03:21] <pharaonic_anubis> dcraven... click on the file?
[03:21] <Jet2k5> dcraven, ever since I've updated to hoary, my connecting to IRC and gaim are VERY VERY long
[03:21] <dcraven> pharaonic_anubis, yes.
[03:21] <mcphail> The linux .pdf readers do occasionally screw up pages
[03:21] <saik0> yfir, yra thianks. I think I'll do the same =)
[03:22] <Jet2k5> like I mean it's to the point where it takes up to a minute to connect, and it's not the connection, because it's fine on my other computers
[03:22] <pharaonic_anubis> hmm ok... lets see.
[03:22] <Jet2k5> dcraven, there is something that says [failed]  in the botting
[03:22] <usual> is the next version of unstable avalible yet?
[03:22] <MMond> Mmmmmhmm . . . will readers like xpdf.. gpdf (was it?) be lighter than the officially provided adobe readers?
[03:22] <Jet2k5> should I restart and write down what the message is?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> MMond: yes
[03:22] <mcphail> MMond: yes. much so
[03:22] <thoreauputic> MMond: xpdf in particular is very "light"
[03:22] <yfir> MMond: much much lighter, tiny in comparison
[03:23] <dcraven> Jet2k5, I suppose. I'm not much of a networking guy, but it might help.
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Adobe builds monsters
[03:23] <mcphail> MMond: xpdf also come with some useful tools
[03:23] <Jet2k5> dcraven, k brb them
[03:23] <MMond> Mmmhmm . . . got it, thanks. I'll jump over to xpdf then :D
[03:23] <yfir> I've had troubles on occasion filling in forms with xpdf though
[03:23] <yfir> But not always
[03:24] <dcraven> 90+MB for a pdf reader? HAHAHAHAHAHA.. Now THAT's a lot of spyware!
[03:24] <fishhead> http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/story/0,10801,101106,00.html <--- this means F*** YOU TOO DELL! learn to offer amd or kiss government sales goodbye
[03:24] <MMond> Out of the topic . . . but I can't help but wander off -- <mcphail> MMond: if you've got the source code to acrobat, you're worth a fair bit of money ;p <-- could one use a thing such as . . . "decompiler?"
[03:25] <thoreauputic> MMond: there's no way you can get the source to any adobe reader - it's closed
[03:25] <mcphail> MMond: if you can decompile 90MB of code, be my guest... (oh, and it may also be illegal)
[03:26] <pharaonic_anubis> dcraven, when I click the torrent file all I get is a download prompt but "bittorrent" does not take over the download or anything, opera just downloads it as a normal file with the extension .torrent.
[03:26] <MMond> Aren't there tools that could do that? I'm unfamiliar with this whole concept of compiling and decompiling . . .
[03:27] <thoreauputic> MMond: basically, anything Adobe is closed-source, unfree, and even sometimes contains spyware
[03:27] <dcraven> pharaonic_anubis, just for kick, try downloading the torrent and clicking on it with Nautilus. I dunno what Opera does with stuff.
[03:27] <Quenyar> Anyone have experience setting up dialup for ubuntu?
[03:27] <dcraven> s/kick/kicks
[03:28] <MMond> But strictly speaking: Anyone in fact can decompile it using a 'decompiler?'
[03:28] <Jet2k5> dcraven, it went by too fast, where do I look?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> MMond: whereas xpdf, gpdf and any other Free software, you can compile and hack to your heart's content
[03:28] <Jet2k5> dmesg
[03:28] <Jet2k5> ?
[03:28] <dcraven> MMond, it's not as easy as that.
[03:28] <Quenyar> When I use wvdial, it connects, waits for a prompt and then diconnects and redials.  Very frustrating
[03:28] <pharaonic_anubis> dcraven, when I try to open the .torrent file using nautilus it just tells me that there was an error opening the application.
[03:28] <dcraven> Jet2k5, did you try dmesg?
[03:28] <MMond> But nevertheless--possible?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> MMond: I suspect that would be a great way to end up in court
[03:28] <dcraven> pharaonic_anubis, you in GNOME?
[03:28] <MMond> thoreauputic: Not saying I will . . . but only thinking
[03:29] <Quenyar> when I try to use the pppconfig, it gived me some message about /dev/modem in the config file and exits
[03:29] <pharaonic_anubis> dcraven, yes GNOME.
[03:29] <kanuha> Help, why does the "setting sensors limits" fail while loading Ubuntu?
[03:29] <MMond> I have no intentions of that sort . . . simply wanting to know
[03:29] <thoreauputic> MMond: adobe threw a Russian guy in the clink for a month a couple of years ago
[03:29] <kanuha> I looked at the sensors.conf, but do not know what it is talking about
[03:30] <dcraven> pharaonic_anubis, you have gnome-btdownload installed? ( I thought it was installed by default )
[03:30] <pharaonic_anubis> dcraven, let me check.
[03:30] <thoreauputic> MMond:  http://www.freesklyarov.org/
[03:31] <MMond> Well, yes, but it isn't as if I want to decompile the code for my reasons-- I'm only questionining to merely know about this. By using a simple decompiler . . . and apparently Google tells me that there are a lot out there--isn't this really actually very easy?
[03:31] <mcphail> MMond: no
[03:31] <pharaonic_anubis> dcraven, I cannot find gnome-btdownload in the repositories?
[03:31] <hypno> pharaonic_anubis: azureus may be more your thing - http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[03:31] <goldfish> yeah
[03:31] <goldfish> azureus rocks
[03:32] <dcraven> pharaonic_anubis, but it's in main. pharaonic_anubis any chance you are on Warty?
[03:32] <goldfish> install howto is on ubuntuguide.org
[03:32] <mcphail> MMond: why not try to decompile an open source program and see if the result is anything like the original source code.
[03:32] <yfir> MMond: if you mean "stick a binary into a decompiler and get the source code" then no, it's not possible like that
[03:32] <pharaonic_anubis> dcraven, I'm on warty yes.
[03:32] <Jet2k5> dcraven,  eth1: Error -110 setting multicast list.
[03:33] <yfir> MMond: it involves reverse engineering and a lot guess-work
[03:33] <dcraven> pharaonic_anubis, ahh.. Should let that be known. There are plenty of differences between Warty and Hoary.
[03:33] <pharaonic_anubis> Not upgrading to Hoary until near the end of the month probably.
[03:33] <Jet2k5> dcraven, btw I want to change my host name, how do I do that, it might speed things up
[03:33] <dcraven> Jet2k5, /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts
[03:35] <Quenyar> Has anyone here every connected to CenturyTel dia dialup?
[03:36] <MMond> There is a huge amounting of illegally served software . . . so without question, the source code of it must actually exist being served? (Again . . . not as if I'm trying to download anything . . . simply questioning to get a basic understanding of things in a more broad sense)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> MMond: you don't need source code to make illegal downloads - the binaries are all you need
[03:37] <thoreauputic> MMond: all those wareZ are binaries
[03:37] <dcraven> MMond, not much chance of that. Source code is the program in human-readable text. Compilers compile source code into a language (binary) that the machine understands but humans can't. Decompiling brings the code to somewhere in the middle.
[03:38] <MMond> But many must be after the source . . . just for the heck of it . . .
[03:38] <astro76> MMond: absolutely not, the warez is easily purchased, therefore easily shared, the source code is however only privy to employees, and guarded by non-disclosure agreements
[03:38] <yfir> MMond: you might be mistaking the terms 'source code' and 'binary'
[03:38] <fazer> crimsun: hi, i got me wifi working!  now,what about sound?
[03:38] <dcraven> fazer, it works?!?!
[03:38] <dcraven> Cool.
[03:38] <fazer> Hi
[03:38] <fazer> dcraven: i <3 u
[03:39] <thoreauputic> MMond: the tar.bz2 file you got from Adobe is just a compressed binsry
[03:39] <mcphail> fazer: how did you do it?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> *binary
[03:39] <dcraven> hehe.. I'm glad it works fazer.
[03:39] <fazer> mcphail: dcraven's how to
[03:39] <fazer> dcraven: me too!
[03:39] <dcraven> mcphail, he compiled the newer version of ndiswrapper.
[03:39] <mcphail> aah
[03:40] <MMond> I was recently tweaking with the SAM file of Windows XP . . . I'm a total nub and I was able to decrypt the administrator password of a Windows XP machine. Can something, for the passwords . . . in some sense, be used here? To strengthen the password . . . perhaps in some way . . . even tag along a whole gosh darn binary contained password? And yet within . . . have a stronger algorithmic-coded password?
[03:41] <MMond> I think I understand the concept of 'binary' to a 'source' -- just probably not using the words in the way I want to
[03:41] <dcraven> fazer, same deal with me and the ndiswrapper binary that came on the Ubuntu CD.. It looked like it should be working, but never could see the AP. I compiled version 1.1 and it worked immediately.
[03:41] <mcphail> MMond: i only understood 15% of that
[03:41] <fazer> dcraven: yeah same here
[03:41] <thoreauputic> MMond: linux has a shadow file for passwords, and all passwords are encrypted as well
[03:42] <dcraven> mcphail, well that's 10% more than me.
[03:42] <mcphail> lol
[03:42] <fazer> dcraven: sound is the only issue for me now
[03:42] <thoreauputic> MMond: password cracking programs exist, of course, and are usfeful for testing the strength of passwords
[03:42] <LLM> stupid question, how do i uninstall web services from ubuntu?
[03:42] <dcraven> MMond, I'll write you a program in C that just prints out "Hello World". I'll send you the binary and the source. You open them both in gedit and see if you can see the difference :)
[03:43] <fazer> dcraven: oh, and I can delete all those .debs and that folder that were created during the process?
[03:43] <MMond> Okay . . . the password, in Windows XP is saved in the 'SAM file' which can be easily decrypted . . . brute force, is always an option. Another way is to try and decipher the algorithm . . . but that gets a bit more compilcated. What I'm trying to say is . . . couldn't you potentially make a password -- that would be "contained" in a binary file -- merely for the reason that the password then will be _stronger_
[03:43] <LLM> ive installed, DHCP, Apache, MySQL and i dont need them anymore
[03:43] <dcraven> fazer, did you try the good ol' alsamixer to see if the channels are muted?
[03:43] <fazer> dcraven: hmmm command line?
[03:44] <mcphail> MMond: what do you mean by a "binary" file?
[03:44] <dcraven> fazer, yes you can, but you might need to do it again after next kernel upgrade.
[03:44] <dcraven> fazer, yes.. "alsamixer".
[03:44] <MMond> A password . . . would be the program.
[03:44] <avdi> hi folks, got a question
[03:44] <MMond> A key . . . a bigger key, a more complicated key
[03:44] <fazer> dcraven: ah okay.
[03:44] <fazer> dcraven: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[03:44] <avdi> anyone know why I'm missing /proc/bus/pnp on my Hoary system?
[03:44] <mcphail> MMond: the only difference between a binary and a text file is how newlines are interpreted
[03:44] <MMond> And thus, as far as I see to logic thus far . . . "breaking the password" would become harder
[03:44] <dcraven> fazer, d'oh!
[03:44] <mcphail> etc
[03:45] <turkey_joe> can someone tell me why i can't play mp3 files???
[03:45] <yfir> turkey_joe: maybe, if you explain your problem in more detail
[03:45] <thoreauputic> MMond: all this has been thought about - google for encryption passwords gpg md5sum.... the list goes on
[03:45] <mcphail> MMond: the longer the password, the harder it will be to crack. That is true
[03:45] <MMond> Mmm, question: A binary, could potentially be decompiled by brute force?
[03:45] <mcphail> MMond: that makes no sense at all
[03:46] <MMond> As for a pdf file . . . making lots of pdf files . . . "comparing" the algorithm . . . trial-and-error method
[03:46] <mcphail> MMond: compilation != encryption
[03:46] <turkey_joe> i have xmms and armarok install. when i load in an mp3 file it just won't play. Also, there is no sound within tuxracer.
[03:46] <MMond> Heh.. I'm a nub, != would be?
[03:46] <hypno> mmond you're labouring under some serious misconceptions. Try reading up at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code
[03:46] <mcphail> is not equal to
[03:46] <MMond> Oh
[03:47] <turkey_joe> there is sound within the operating system itself though
[03:47] <thoreauputic> MMond: it's really not worth it - for instance, to write Samba, Andrew Tridgell did a lot of sniffing and guessing and reverse engineering and came up with a completely Free set of code...
[03:47] <fazer> dcraven: haha yeah.
[03:47] <MMond> I meant "decompiling" in a long and loose term
[03:47] <yfir> turkey_joe: first, try setting your mp3 player to use esd rather than oss or alsa
[03:47] <MMond> Apples and oranges, yes . . . but in the long run . . . you could?
[03:48] <avdi> are ubunti kernels compiled without /proc/bus/pnp support, or am I missing something?
[03:48] <avdi> *ubuntu
[03:48] <thoreauputic> MMond: loose terms don't really parse well in a computer field ;)
[03:48] <mcphail> MMond: the .pdf format is a fairly open standard. Lots of programs can create .pdf files. there isn't much point searching for an "algorithm"
[03:48] <ubuntu> hi
[03:48] <fazer> yo
[03:49] <thoreauputic> MMond: you are mainly talking about reiventing the wheel
[03:49] <ubuntu> my first time here!
[03:49] <turkey_joe> that worked...thanks.
[03:49] <yfir> ubuntu: nice name
[03:49] <yfir> turkey_joe: np
[03:50] <ubuntu> i'm a french guy
[03:50] <thoreauputic> bonjour !
[03:50] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:50] <yfir> turkey_joe: once you get more used to ubuntu you'll have to decide if you want to continue using esd at all :)
[03:50] <MMond> Okay, the more ultimate question I'm trying to get at: Instead of passwords being really very simply . . . let's call the password a "key" for a second here . . . can you not just enlarge the key - to the level that it would be impossible to decrypt? I don't want the password to be simple "text" . . . but maybe . . . "text" within a program . . . a text, surrounded by more source code . . . along set of strings, impossible to decrypt then .
[03:50] <MMond>  . . it would be big, yes, the password . . . instead of a few kilobytes . .  maybe megabytes.. but the security will be at another level then, no?
[03:50] <holycow> bonjour ubuntu
[03:50] <Amaranth> holycow: we call that mDNS :)
[03:50] <sadneophite> thoreauputic I think I have mine alsa running wanta FYI?
[03:50] <yfir> MMond: that's what encrypted passwords essentiall are
[03:51] <ubuntu> bonjour tout le monde
[03:51] <Amaranth> geek joke
[03:51] <MMond> yfir: Yes, but we all know how disgustingly easy they are to break
[03:51] <ubuntu> only geeks here?
[03:51] <MMond> They stand little chances against brute force attacks
[03:51] <geargolem> would like to mount my 2nd hd but it screws up my Nvidia-glx file
[03:51] <yfir> MMond: a 128bit encryption is "disgustingly easy" to crack??
[03:51] <holycow> ubuntu, who else cares enough to try linux?
[03:51] <mcphail> MMond: they are not easy to break.
[03:51] <holycow> >_>
[03:51] <holycow> Amaranth, hehe :)
[03:51] <thoreauputic> MMond: umm... takes a lot of cpu cycles to decrypt a good root password
[03:52] <fishhead> might be easy to crack if the pasword was set by someone with the mental capacity of a canadian
[03:52] <sadneophite> thoreauputic MMond what is a good root password ... 12 numeric?
[03:52] <holycow> besides, if you use 'phrases' as passwords .. .they are easy to remember and essentially uncrackable with current technologies
[03:52] <MMond> I'm a total nub . . . and I cracked a Windows XP password a few days ago . . . I think I'm letting my ego overrun itself :| . . .  hrmm, omg . . . maybe Windows _does_ suck :OO
[03:52] <yfir> fishhead: not this canadian :)
[03:52] <holycow> MMond, i don't think you cracked it ...
[03:52] <underlord> i burnt some stuff and when finished the application forgot to unlock my cr drive, how can i force it to unlock?
[03:53] <fishhead> power cycle underlord
[03:53] <holycow> ... you probably just used a utility to overwrite the hive files and change the password
[03:53] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: combine lower and upper case, numerals, and symbols
[03:53] <mcphail> MMond: windows security isn't quite gold standar
[03:53] <underlord> im doing things, cant power cycle
[03:53] <MMond> holycow: I went at it brute forcing it . . . the password was very "hard," if you will . .. 8 letters, 83d8d93  <-- something of this sort
[03:53] <Guga> ogra, have time to help?
[03:53] <holycow> otherwise you 'guessed' it in which case thats not cracking, thats just being more clever than the reatrd that originally set it :)
[03:53] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: and make it fairly long
[03:53] <underlord> need software solution to unlock cd drive
[03:53] <fazer> dcraven: so I can delete those files that were created, right?
[03:53] <yfir> MMond: so the password was stored in clear text. big deal. passwords on a linux system aren't
[03:53] <holycow> MMond, hehe *nod* :)
[03:53] <pune> hey does anyone in here know how to get multisync to sync from evolution to my pocket pc?
[03:53] <fazer> dcraven: those .deb files
[03:53] <sadneophite> thoreauputic MMond but isn't it all sorta funny, why on earth do you need upper lower and numerics? what happens inf the person trying to crack doesn't have a clue what you used?
[03:53] <MMond> yfir: Ahh, how are they stored then?
[03:54] <ubuntu> its 4 a.m here
[03:54] <pune> fazer, hey, is the same fazer I was talking to last night?
[03:54] <Guga> mount 2nd hd messes up blender on my 1st hd
[03:54] <holycow> ubuntu, what part of france?
[03:54] <hypno> encrypted of course, MMond
[03:54] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: harder to crack, even using a craking program
[03:54] <fazer> pune: oh hey yeah! i got my wifi working! how about you?
[03:54] <fazer> thanks to dcraven
[03:54] <ubuntu> south east
[03:54] <holycow> cool, i'm in vancouver canada
[03:54] <fazer> i am in ontario
[03:55] <pune> yeah, I was gonna tell you no, I didn't, apparently though it's a pcmcia problem though
[03:55] <fazer> so i am cool
[03:55] <holycow> i've been trying to get to cote d'azure for ages now :)
[03:55] <pune> fazer, well's that good, what was wrong?
[03:55] <fishhead> CANUCK
[03:55] <fishhead> CANUCK
[03:55] <holycow> fazer, i'm originally from t.o. -_-
[03:55] <Ex-Cyber> underlord: it likely won't work, but you can try: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -reset
[03:55] <mcphail> pune: thanks for the hint last night. Gos my wifi working as well
[03:55] <fazer> holycow: hehe nice!
[03:55] <ubuntu> woa vous parlez francais?
[03:55] <fazer> pune: hmmm...all I had to was compile the 1.1 version of ndiswrapper
[03:55] <fazer> pune: and then use that.
[03:55] <sadneophite> thoreauputic so we are not talking about brute force
[03:55] <pune> mcphail, no problem, I steered you in the right direction?
[03:56] <mcphail> pune: yep
[03:56] <MMond> hypno: Another way I "cracked" the Windows XP password was booting with a live Linux CD, finding my way to the SAM file again . . . and simply replacing some text on the hash files . . . this, compared to Linux -- please balance and explains things here a bit, I'm a total nub to Linux (been using it for 2 weeks now)
[03:56] <spawn> does the latest GNOME version have an option to make the Panels appear under a window?
[03:56] <pune> fazer, oh ok, yeah, are you running warty?
[03:56] <mcphail> pune: gave me inspiration
[03:56] <holycow> ubuntu i gave up franch much to early in high school, i regret that now
[03:56] <pune> mcphail, lol
[03:56] <fazer> pune: no, hoary
[03:56] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: yes - a password cracking program will take *much* longer to get a long varied password
[03:56] <pune> mcphail, wow, you're the first person I've actually helped, i'm still kind of a noob
[03:56] <hypno> MMond yeah, i've used one of those too.
[03:56] <ubuntu> its never too late...
[03:57] <pune> fazer, me too, but anything pcmcia doesn't get power
[03:57] <Guga> sudo mount hdb1 results in no blender3d on hda1
[03:57] <mcphail> pune: i just tried different .inf files, and one worked
[03:57] <holycow> ubuntu, hehe :) one can only hope
[03:57] <spawn> does the latest GNOME version have an option to make the Panels appear under a window?
[03:57] <thoreauputic> MMond: if you have physical access, any box can be cracked fairly easily, regardless of OS
[03:57] <holycow> ubuntu, i gotta telly ya somethin', the best net radio stations are french
[03:57] <MMond> hypno: In concept - could you not apply the same logic here and expect the Linux password to break?
[03:57] <fazer> pune: oh, strange.
[03:57] <Guga> nvidia-glx fails to work
[03:57] <mcphail> pune: i thought your pcmcia worked in warty?
[03:57] <fazer> brb, going ot use xhcat.
[03:57] <pune> fazer, ok, I wonder if i've got the wrong driver installed.
[03:57] <ubuntu> my english is like bullshit, what's the problem?
[03:57] <holycow> they play all good stuff, all english, and i haven't heard any of it
[03:57] <holycow> heh
[03:58] <fazer> pune: hmm...yeah, that could be it, did you try it with windows?
[03:58] <pune> mcphail, it did, that's the funny part, as soon as I upgraded, it went out
[03:58] <holycow> ubuntu, pas de problem :)
[03:58] <yfir> MMond: you mean try out every possible sequence of characters until the password is found? yes it's possible. 'john' is one such program that will do this
[03:58] <ubuntu> lol -:p
[03:58] <pune> fazer, yep everything works
[03:58] <mcphail> pune: i upgraded to hoary tonight. everything fine
[03:58] <Guga> help
[03:58] <fazer> pune: oh
[03:58] <holycow> ubuntu welcome to debian/ubuntu/linux/gnu btw :)
[03:58] <holycow> do you use other distros?
[03:59] <pune> mcphail, really, well, I don't know if it's just my wifi, cause I plugged in another pcmcia device, and nothign
[03:59] <spawn> does the latest GNOME version have an option to make the Panels appear under a window?
[03:59] <Guga> hdb1 mount crashes blender on hda1
[03:59] <mcphail> pune: any hint of light from the wifi leds?
[03:59] <ubuntu> thks; from movie scarface : you want to fuck my wife?
[03:59] <MMond> thoreauputic: Yes . . . and here before me, I do have complete binary of a file. The pdf . . . let's say. If the entire concept of the passwords was changed . . . instead of it being simple text in hash files . . . it being contained in yet another binary file . . . do you see what I'm getting at now?
[03:59] <holycow> spawn, not that i know of
[03:59] <pune> mcphail, how do you like hoary, I think it's a great operating system besides the problem i'm having
[03:59] <spawn> holycow: ok thanks
[03:59] <ubuntu> btw?
[03:59] <mcphail> pune: seems good so far
[03:59] <spawn> btw = by the way
[04:00] <pune> mcphail, no, that's the thing, the device is recognized and the driver is loaded, but it doesn't get any power
[04:00] <thoreauputic> MMond: everything ends up as binary - what do you mean?
[04:00] <MMond> And that binary that would be surrounded around the password . . . hell, make it anything . . . a web of strings that do ultimately get you to the password . . .
[04:00] <mcphail> pune: you could try what i did...
[04:00] <holycow> pune, whats the problem again?
[04:00] <pune> mcphail, what'd ya do
[04:01] <ubuntu> euh i was try slakeware, mandrake, knoopix, debian
[04:01] <hypno> MMond breaking a password usually involves trying every combination of passwords. Besides, the password can't be hidden, or else it is useless to any legitimate program trying to check it.
[04:01] <pune> holycow, I'm having trouble with my wifi card
[04:01] <MMond> thoreauputic: In essence . . . to sum up: A password is easier to break, then decompiling binary
[04:01] <mcphail> tried a different .inf file
[04:01] <holycow> pune, is it supported?
[04:01] <pune> holycow, i've got the driver loaded and the card is recognized but it gets no power
[04:01] <ubuntu> what the best distro ever?
[04:01] <holycow> is it a prism54?
[04:01] <pune> mcphail, ok, maybe i'll check that out
[04:01] <MMond> hypno: Yes . . . but the verification on the other side, put some binary tweaking stuff there as well . . . the only and only two ends meeting . . .
[04:01] <MMond> The verification system, I meant
[04:01] <pune> mcphail, what kind of card did you say you had?
[04:02] <Fazer> Does anyone know how I can get the userlist on the right? I seem to be missing it
[04:02] <mcphail> belkin (broadcom chipset)
[04:02] <holycow> pune, you tried iwconfig command to bring it up?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> MMond: but a password ends up as a string of ones and zeros - so cracking it is just geeting that string: not at all the sanme as decompiling
[04:02] <ubuntu> http://www.michaelmoore.com/
[04:02] <pune> holycow, yeah, all that, eject and put it back in
[04:02] <holycow> iwconfig eth0 up ... for example?
[04:02] <yfir> MMond: why don't you try developing such a system yourself. i doubt many here are cryptography experts...
[04:02] <holycow> and? what error messages do you get?
[04:02] <pune> holycow, it looks like a pcmcia problem
[04:03] <pune> holycow, no errors, just no power
[04:03] <g14> http://www.moorelies.com/
[04:03] <holycow> yeah sometimes you need several pcmcia cards to figure out if its card or port
[04:03] <ubuntu> in 2048bits
[04:03] <etzerd> hello room
[04:03] <etzerd> ?
[04:03] <holycow> pune, are you sure you don't get power? rather how do you know?
[04:03] <etzerd> is anyone here ever install crossover yet?
[04:03] <mcphail> pune: does ndiswrapper -l detect the hardware?
[04:03] <holycow> iwconfig eth0 up returns no error?
[04:03] <pune> holycow, which is what I did, and plugged in a card reader, it didn't work either
[04:03] <holycow> maybe its permanently stuck in scan mode?
[04:04] <pune> etzerd, I did a while ago, why?
[04:04] <holycow> ah okay ... not sure, las time i did anything pcmcia was in debian, i have yet to try it here
[04:04] <etzerd> I have crossover pro 4.1 i don't   know how to
[04:04] <g14> Anyone here know the status of the usplash project?
[04:04] <fuentes> Is there any known conflict with Athlon 64?  I just too a runing system and transferred the drives to a new A64 system, and I'm getting Buffer IO and driveready seek errors - it refuses to boot.  I can bring the machine up on a DSL (damn small linux) cd and the disks are fine - read, write, fsck, fine.  I boot ubuntu from the drive, and the disks are unusable...
[04:04] <pune> mcphail, I'm pretty sure I did all that, I can do it again though
[04:04] <pune> mcphail, lol
[04:04] <g14> I use ubuntu and fedora and want to try it on fedora
[04:04] <fuentes> Is there soemthing going around about this?
[04:05] <etzerd> pune: thre is a .rpm file there but I do not know how to install it
[04:05] <holycow> fuentes, no, i just installed ubuntu on amd64 yesterday
[04:05] <holycow> i did have problems with missing packages
[04:05] <holycow> or erroneous packages
[04:05] <holycow> what i couldn'
[04:05] <mcphail> pune: do the LEDs even faintly glimmer?
[04:06] <fuentes> holycow, Well, this install was on a regular athlon, then I transferred the drives - but that should not be a problem, should it?
[04:06] <holycow> t figure out if it was my cd being borked or the packages are hosed, but basically theres a bunch of dependencies either not compiled or borked in amd64 repositories
[04:06] <MMond> hypno: Yes . . . indeed, if a perfect algorithm was put to place (supposedly, impossible to decipher) then yes . . . the only way left to get to that password would be brute force. Instead of the password being that . . . if a system was created that would create random and smart source code . . . that would surround the _password_ with it . . . then to "crack" the password . . . an outsider would have to first decompile the binary (as it w
[04:06] <MMond> ill be when finalized) . . . and then decipher the password . . . but that source code that would had been surrounded around the password . . . just make that source code . . . at the other end over the adequate verification system . . . just like Adobe Reader . . . my Adobe Reader can understand the pdf stuff . . .
[04:06] <holycow> fuentes, *hmmm* not on 32 bit to 32 no ...
[04:06] <petjal> dumb noob q:  why does apt-get update give me W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:06] <holycow> fuentes, i dont know if a 32 bit kernel will even run on amd64?
[04:06] <pune> etzerd, sorry, a friend came in, what um version of ubuntu are you running
[04:06] <ubuntu> someone has a decryptor?
[04:06] <fuentes> holycow, DSL boots fine...
[04:07] <holycow> 32 to 32 bit cpu systems, thats no problem at all, install once and carry the hd with you, its all modular, ...
[04:07] <etzerd> pune: the last one that came out last week 5.04
[04:07] <pune> mcphail, yeah, now i think they do, but they don't turn on, it says their power management has been turned off
[04:07] <sadneophite> ANYONE NEED HELP CONFIGURING A SOUND CARD???!!!! YAY
[04:07] <MMond> It was indeed john the ripper I used to crack those passwords . . . and again . . . disgustingly easy. The disgustingly easy-to-break password had me deriding it . . . yet leaving me feeling unbelievable unsecure
[04:07] <fuentes> I thought the Athlong 64 was fully 32-bit compatable...  You just don't take advantage unnless the kernel is 64 bit...
[04:07] <Fazer> sadneophite, yeah sure
[04:07] <MMond> unbelievably*
[04:08] <Fazer> sadneophite, wanna help me get sound working?
[04:08] <sadneophite> that was the audigy one wasnt it?
[04:08] <holycow> fuentes, that makes sense, i just don't have enough experience to confirm if its true in reality
[04:08] <mcphail> pune: i think you can achieve nirvana...
[04:08] <sadneophite> sure
[04:08] <pune> etzerd, so you're running hoary, eh, try um ok, the .rpm means it's a different kind of installer
[04:08] <holycow> fuentes, i don't know what could be causing it however, i'm sorry :/
[04:08] <pune> etzerd, one which i'm not entirely used to using
[04:08] <sadneophite> Fazer what have you done?
[04:09] <pune> etzerd, was there a .tar.gz file on the site for download anywhere?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> MMond: if you're really paranoid, you can always encrypt your file system :)
[04:09] <difeta> when will openoffice 2.0 beta be for ubuntu?
 MMond: why don't you try developing such a system yourself. i doubt many here are cryptography experts...  <-- I'm a young one . . . this appeals to me as interesting . . . I think I'll stand up for it. Could you direct me to a few links maybe? Or maybe some keywords I can attest Google for?
[04:09] <Fazer> sadneophite, nothing, I can't modprobe mine, says it isn't found
[04:10] <Burgundavia> difeta, in hoary universe
[04:10] <mcphail> MMond: a decent long password would take years to crack with john the ripper
[04:10] <Burgundavia> difeta, and will be part of breezy main
[04:10] <etzerd> pune: there are two install there "install-crossover-4.1.sh and isntall-crossover.rpm"
[04:10] <holycow> difeta, its already in universe
[04:10] <sadneophite> Fazer have you looked on the net?
[04:10] <sadneophite> Fazer card type etc?
[04:10] <difeta> Burgundavia, holycow openofficeorg 1.9 is in universe, not 2.0 beta
[04:10] <MMond> mcphail: Indeed . . . but nevertheless, the algorithm can be another potential weak spot
[04:10] <Burgundavia> difeta, that is the beta
[04:10] <holycow> Burgundavia, any chance it might be backported to hoary?
[04:10] <etzerd> no .tar or .gz
[04:10] <Fazer> sadneophite, yes, people have gotten it working...not sure why I can't
[04:10] <dhonn> snes9x freezes and does nothing any ideas?
[04:10] <MMond> You can never be sure . . . if there are holes in there . . .
[04:10] <holycow> difeta, oh! yes you are correct :)
[04:10] <mcphail> MMond: the FBI cannot crack most of them
[04:10] <holycow> difeta, sorry, misunderstood
[04:11] <sadneophite> fazer what is the modell?
[04:11] <difeta> Burgundavia, i think the beta is one more than 1.9
[04:11] <Burgundavia> difeta, holycow that is the beta as of universe freeze on the hoary release date
[04:11] <MMond> mcphail: While having physical access to it?
[04:11] <difeta> Burgundavia, ok
[04:11] <Fazer> sadneophite, hold on
[04:11] <pune> etzerd, yeah, i can help you more with the .sh one, otherwise find the install helper that usually comes with it, otherwise go to codeweavers website and maybe look there for some detailed instructions
[04:11] <holycow> Burgundavia, ah okay
[04:11] <thoreauputic> MMond: I have a nice cocrete bunker with extra locks you can put your servers in ;-)
[04:11] <mcphail> MMond: yes, of course
[04:11] <Fazer> sadneophite, 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4610/11 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[04:12] <compmanio36> if an ISP won't respond to an email you send to their abuse line, who do you go to after that?
[04:12] <mcphail> MMond: there are other ways to access a system, however...
[04:12] <etzerd> pune: thanks let me go back to the site and find out.
[04:12] <pune> mcphail, what do you mean?
[04:12] <crimsun> Fazer: did you pull the requisite info from bios?
[04:12] <petjal> Can someone please help me with apt-get?  I keep getting errors like Err http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages  302 Redirect [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[04:12] <mcphail> pune: i think you can crack the wifi thing
[04:12] <holycow> compmanio36, sue them, that always gets their attention
[04:12] <pune> mcphail, how then?
[04:12] <MMond> mcphail: I'm a young fool, with odd ideas of things . . . ;\ and oh-- it was thoreauputic that said passwords can be always easily broken if one obtains the physical access to machines!
[04:12] <MMond> Wasn't it? o.0 Maybe I misconstrued you . . . :x
[04:13] <thoreauputic> MMond: easily wiped - not quite the same
[04:13] <etzerd> pune: have ever use SUSE before?
[04:13] <mcphail> MMond: i think the ubuntuguide has a section on obtaining root access
[04:13] <MMond> thoreauputic: Yes . . . and I can't help but apply the "Adobe Reader" logic to this
[04:13] <g14> MMond: why do you need to crack passwords if you have physical access to a machine?
[04:14] <mcphail> pune: your card isn't poering up because you're using the wrong driver or an out of date ndiswrapper
[04:14] <g14> MMond: boot the computer with knoppix and change the passwd file directly
[04:14] <MMond> No one gave an answer that brought awe to me . . . binary is hard to compile . . . passwords are not hard to decrypt
[04:14] <RustyShackleford> How do you fix the resolution?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> g14,, exactly
[04:14] <MMond> g14: That was indeed what I did to crack those passwords . . . and it sickens me, that it is that easy.
[04:14] <pune> mcphail, ok, i'll give that a go
[04:14] <pune> mcphail, you're probably right on that one
[04:14] <crimsun> MMond: physical access essentially negates "security"
[04:14] <Quest-Master> Where in Hoary can I install fonts?
[04:15] <pune> mcphail, do you think i can just keep installing different drivers without removin the old ones?
[04:15] <holycow> crimsun, not for encrypted hd's/partitions
[04:15] <qwe> howdy, has any thought been put to making the main repository available via jigdo for offline use?
[04:15] <g14> MMond: Set the bios to not boot from removable media, put bios passwords on everything, and FOR HEAVENS SAKE people, use a grub password
[04:15] <qwe> a dialup user's plea ;)
[04:15] <holycow> you can change the password all you want, unless the various hashes match, nothing is getting unencrypted
[04:15] <pune> etzerd, no actually i'm pretty new to linux, i started on ubuntu like 2 weeks ago
[04:15] <mcphail> pune: no. remove the old ones (ndiswrapper -e)
[04:15] <g14> init=/bin/bash root is way too easy
[04:15] <Fazer> crimsun, I am not sure how I can do that.  The ThinkPad BIOS is just...weird.  THere is nothing about sound.
[04:16] <MMond> crimsun: But yet . . . while one obtains the Adobe Reader on a physical machine . . . it is usally a "harder" task(if not impossible) to get the source of the decryption . . . whereas, the password stands little chance of being safe if one has physical access to it
[04:16] <MMond> To its containment
[04:16] <Quest-Master> ..
[04:16] <etzerd> pune: how do you like ubuntu by far?
[04:16] <mcphail> g14: you can still remove the cmos battery though
[04:16] <holycow> frequence3 <-- best web radio station
[04:16] <holycow> *doo* *doo* *doo*
[04:16] <g14> MMond: encryption is all relative on which algorithm is used...
[04:16] <pune> etzerd, i love it, i think it's the easiest to use of all the distributions actually
[04:16] <pune> etzerd, of course, how would I know, hahaha
[04:16] <g14> MMond: Take DES for example, a decade ago, that was the US dod standard
[04:16] <etzerd> I thank so too
[04:17] <holycow> pune how does it compare to your other os experiences?
[04:17] <crimsun> Fazer: there should be something about the io and irqs assigned to isa devices, though
[04:17] <pune> mcphail, ok, gotcha
[04:17] <RustyShackleford> Which file do I edit to fix the resolution?
[04:17] <Phoenix_Zero> would anyone mind helping me with a graphics problem I'm having? I had nvidia driver running fine with an older card but now after I put a newer card in (NVIDIA 4200 ti, as to why I'm not installing with this, it wont work with install, monitor gives weird error (its stuck in another language)) After I config xorg for this new card and try to startx it just displays flashing white lines with maybe one pixel between them
[04:17] <g14> mcphail: true true, thats why physical access is important
[04:17] <neighborlee> could someone please check out my log  file and see if they can determine what is causing me to not get past the nvidia screen that 'try's to come up ??":::: http://www.heartseed.org/Xorg.0.log << thx ;-))
[04:17] <thoreauputic> MMond: decrypting a complete encrypted file system would require some serious computing power and a few lifetimes...
[04:17] <etzerd> pune: where are  you?
[04:17] <crimsun> holycow: sure it does. Imagine if you have access to an ETM.
[04:17] <crimsun> holycow: a bit extreme, but some recovery places do.
[04:17] <pune> holycow, well, i'm totally versed in windows, I basically grew up on it, ever since 95, so I'd say switching wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be
[04:17] <g14> thoreauputic: or a really big grid :P
[04:18] <pune> etzerd, i'm here, what's up?
[04:18] <tbird> anyone running Breezy yet
[04:18] <thoreauputic> g14: world domination! (tm)
[04:18] <MMond> thoreauputic: but not a password . . .
[04:18] <thoreauputic> MMond: you missed my point I think
[04:18] <holycow> pune, you tried at the right time, gnome2.10 and ubuntu finally polished off a few showstoppers for newbs
[04:18] <MMond> Hrmm, rephraase, please?
[04:18] <holycow> for example, mounting a floppy or cd rom required quite a  bit of knowledge just to begin
 MMond: encryption is all relative on which algorithm is used... <-- "relative?" Sorry.. I'm a nub :x
[04:19] <queuetue> Hi, all.  I've got a running ubuntu hoary Athlon system, and I pulled the drives and put them into a new Athlon 64 system... and the disks get errors - buffer I/O on logical block 0...  I can boot the system with DSL cd just fine, and mount, fsck, manipulate the disks just fine, no errors.  But I try to boot ubuntu, and the disk errors come back.  Does anyone have a clue?
[04:19] <thoreauputic> MMond: easier to use filesystem encryption in cases of extreme security risk than try to make a perfect password
[04:19] <g14> MMond: I can crack a DES password relatively easy
[04:19] <Phoenix_Zero> could anybody help me with aforementioned graphics problem?
[04:19] <pune> holycow, I know, our school was having an install a thon and I was interested, it's been fun, I still have a few kinks to work out but
[04:19] <beggar> how can I execute a script everytime i initialize the system? it's a script that starts my internet connection....i want something like rc.local
[04:19] <g14> MMond: DES is a weak algorithm that has been broken and can be with decent computing power
[04:19] <holycow> crimsun, well i would need to read up more on that, the thing i'm thinking is that if a file system is encrypted, you need the 'same' key to unlock it, you cant swap in a 'different' key and unlock it ... however icould be wrong
[04:19] <queuetue> For massive values of "decent"...
[04:20] <g14> MMond: AES or Blowfish are much better encryption algorithms and prove much more difficult to break
[04:20] <mcphail> beggar: use crontab
[04:20] <RustyShackleford> I need to know how to fix the screen resolution.  I need to go to 1024x768
[04:20] <holycow> crimsun, its the regular passwords in unencrypted filesystems that are useless really, drop in a usb key/livecd and you have all the data
[04:20] <etzerd> no I'm asking you where are you chatting from, meaning what country are you now.
[04:20] <holycow> pune, cool, welcome :) keep it fun
[04:20] <crimsun> holycow: that's why I love livecds. I'm running off one.
[04:20] <Phoenix_Zero> ok I guess Ill just check back later
[04:21] <holycow> crimsun, hehe :)
[04:21] <pune> etzerd, you still there?
[04:21] <MMond> Okay -- I'm gonna crack my basics here for a second -- to "cracK' the algorithm . . . a "cytographer" is needed -- to "crack" a password . . . it can be done by using, john the ripper
[04:21] <yfir> MMond: you are suggesting that if one has, say, the 'shadow' file, one could easily crack the passwords within it by brute force?
[04:21] <pune> etzerd, i'm trying to install crossover on mine too, i had to anyway, so I might as well help you out
[04:22] <beggar> mcphail, and how i configure it to excute when i startup the system?
[04:22] <etzerd> ok
[04:22] <yfir> MMond: reasonably chosen passwords would take a very long time to crack by brute force, even with a lot of computing power
[04:22] <g14> MMond: Breaking algorithms is finding mathematical flaws that allow you to test passwords faster
[04:22] <etzerd> what version do  you have pune?
[04:22] <mcphail> beggar: use "@reboot" as the time
[04:22] <Fazer> crimsun, irq and isa?
[04:22] <beggar> mcphail, tks
[04:22] <MMond> yfir: Not ultimately what I'm "saying," but while I stand on my statements: Yes -- it could be potentially "known" by a tactic as simple as brute force
[04:23] <g14> MMond: If you have my shadow file (which uses MD5 to encrypt my passwords) It is going to take alot longer to crack them than if I used something like DES
[04:23] <duken> how to install to hdd ubuntu from live CD ?
[04:23] <pune> of crossover? just the standard trial
[04:23] <crimsun> Fazer: io, port, irq
[04:23] <etzerd> ok
[04:23] <queuetue> duken, Not supported, afaik.
[04:23] <MMond> g14: Again . . . I am unfamiliar to any "real-life used algorithms" -- but as for what you are saying, then it is indeed potentially possible to make a "pefect algorithm" -- _impossible_ to break?
[04:24] <Fazer> crimsun, I don't see those in the BIOS...
[04:24] <sadneophite> thoreauputic fazer has the same laptop as I do!!! HAHAHA
[04:24] <holycow> MMond, not only that, they exist
[04:24] <crimsun> MMond: there is one called the "one-time pad"
[04:24] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: :)
[04:24] <sadneophite> thoreauputic he doesn't know yet
[04:24] <RustyShackleford> I need to know which file to edit to fix screen resolution.
[04:24] <crimsun> MMond: unfortunately, there are severe scalability problems with OTP. One can never reuse the same pad.
[04:25] <g14> MMond: encryption algorithms are written by brilliant mathmeticians (spelling?)
[04:25] <jr_G-man> xorg.conf
[04:25] <g14> MMond: Great encryption is expensive (takes lots of cpu time) less encryption is easier to crack
[04:26] <g14> MMond: there will never be a perfect algorithm just there will never be a "secure" computer
[04:26] <MMond> So -- great encryption, by the verification system takes a longer time system to decipher on its part as well? (although, I imagine, still very minimal)
[04:26] <goldfish> there are algorithms that would take hundreds of years to crack
[04:26] <pune> etzerd, ah here we go, this is what you should do once you've downloaded the file
[04:26] <mcphail> gnight all
[04:27] <pune> etzerd, open a root terminal, then change directory to where the file is
[04:27] <goldfish> Sure, the nsa can crack anything though nowadays.
[04:27] <goldfish> apparantly ssh is near to being cracked.
[04:27] <pune> etzerd, then type in sh install-crossover-standard-demo-4.2.sh
[04:27] <MMond> Yeah . . . the thought just came to me . . . I saw someone in my school hooking up some . . . thing . . . that was put to one end of the keyboard . . . uhh, "wire," and then inserted to the keyboard port . . . I questioned him on it -- it actually was some sort of a key logger . . . sad . . . back to the circle -- a perfect password, cannot be created. :(
[04:27] <pune> etzerd, that should install it
[04:27] <crimsun> ssh is just a protocol, though, and orthogonal to any encryption used
[04:27] <g14> goldfish: ssh is near to being cracked? Do you even know what your talking about?
[04:28] <thoreauputic> MMond: use john, try to crack, say, a 12 character password with a mixture of characters, and see how long it takes (hint: you'll get very bored waiting)
[04:28] <goldfish> g14: Yes.
[04:28] <g14> goldfish: Would you like to elaborate?
[04:28] <goldfish> No.
[04:28] <g14> goldfish: I didn't think so
[04:28] <NigelS> g14: :P
[04:28] <goldfish> hehe
[04:28] <pune> etzerd, did you get that?
[04:28] <RustyShackleford> Damn, I can not fix this screen resolution.
[04:29] <NigelS> goldfish: ssh is a protocol.  It can use many different algorithms.
[04:29] <goldfish> NigelS: I know.
[04:29] <etzerd> I'm going to try it now hold on
[04:29] <g14> goldfish: obviously not
[04:29] <goldfish> RustyShackleford: hoary?
[04:29] <RustyShackleford> Yes
[04:29] <goldfish> RustyShackleford: try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:29] <goldfish> with sudo
[04:29] <goldfish> g14: I retract that statement.
[04:30] <g14> goldfish: saying ssh is an ignorant statement. I can set anyone of several encryption algorithms for sshd to use
[04:30] <yfir> RustyShackleford: have you tried editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[04:30] <ubuntu> ALL WORKS FINE ON MY PC!
[04:30] <ubuntu> :-P
[04:30] <g14> goldfish: you were saying each one is near to being cracked and that is ridiculous
[04:30] <goldfish> I know.
[04:31] <goldfish> Apologies.
[04:31] <duken> where is i can get breezy iso ?
[04:31] <g14> goldfish: condolences
[04:31] <alindeman> g14: Someone could find a way to factor large numbers quickly tomorrow ;-)
[04:31] <g14> duken: use apt-get to update to breezy
[04:31] <thoreauputic> duken: nowhere, yet
[04:31] <g14> alindeman: they already have, it's called grid computing, and it happens to be part of my job :-)
[04:31] <crimsun> duken: (geez, Breezy just opened up this week!)
[04:31] <MMond> Someone proposed that I get some open-source program . . . and try decompiling the binary of it . . . and compare it to the original source code . . . potentially, if the decompiler was "perfect" -- then is it not true, that in fact, .. well, say the pdf encryption source code could be seen?
[04:32] <ubuntu> were i can find some babes?
[04:32] <crimsun> g14: do you work with IBM or Sun on it?
[04:32] <alindeman> g14: Which job is that?
[04:32] <RustyShackleford> yfir: I've got it open right now in gedit.  What do I edit?
[04:32] <ubuntu> lol
[04:32] <vHogemann> Wow! Did you just said breezy is open!?
[04:32] <yfir> ubuntu: try falling asleep
[04:32] <g14> crimsun: military
[04:32] <g14> but Im at home now
[04:32] <duken> g14: how the source.list ?
[04:32] <crimsun> g14: ah. My MSc thesis was on grid computing.
[04:32] <holycow> MMond, take a few advanced mathematics course and encryption courses, the answer is no
[04:32] <MMond> I am not famililar to any decompilers . . . or how they work. In this case, what would be their holes? What would it be . . . that could be wrong with them?
[04:32] <duken> hoary change to breezy like that ?
[04:33] <holycow> MMond, it's exceedingly difficult to answer that question without very high level knowledge
[04:33] <ubuntu> bye bonne nuit
[04:33] <goldfish> RustyShackleford: You are better off running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:33] <g14> crimsun: nice, we use suns oss gridengine to factor large numbers
[04:33] <holycow> abientot ubuntu
[04:33] <g14> crimsun: for war simulations
[04:33] <goldfish> RustyShackleford: that will edit xorg.conf for you
[04:33] <crimsun> g14: ah
[04:34] <MMond> holycow: Very well . . . and now, what I was saying before . . . instead of the password being that . . . make the password a binary, and the encryption--each individiual, self-contained to that source . . . and the verification system . . . to just meet the end of it. Do you understand what I'm trying to get at now?
[04:34] <queuetue> Hi, all.  I've got a running ubuntu hoary Athlon system, and I pulled the drives and put them into a new Athlon 64 system... and the disks get errors - buffer I/O on logical block 0...  I can boot the system with DSL cd just fine, and mount, fsck, manipulate the disks just fine, no errors.  But I try to boot ubuntu, and the disk errors come back.  Does anyone have a clue?
[04:34] <duken> hey, why name of each release are warty, hoary and curently breezy ?
[04:34] <duken> the name take from ?
[04:34] <MMond> So ultimately, in essence . . . the password, would be a _program_ rather than some "text"
[04:35] <holycow> MMond, no, it's a specialty i don't care much for unfortunately, encryption and high level math are specialties that require lifetimes to gain profficiency in
[04:35] <thoreauputic> duken: just pure invention
[04:35] <g14> duken: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <goldfish> ehhh
[04:35] <g14> duken: and replace every "hoary" instance with "breezy"
[04:35] <duken> g14: ok thanks
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> Hey, is it possible to start ESD again after I killed it to use skype?
[04:35] <yfir> thechitowncubs: yep, just type esd
[04:36] <MacIver> esd
[04:36] <thechitowncubs> that doesn't seem to work
[04:36] <g14> duken: follow that with apt-get update
[04:36] <thechitowncubs> im going to try it right now
[04:36] <g14> duken: you can do it from within synaptic, but it's slower for some reason
[04:36] <goldfish> what the hell
[04:36] <thechitowncubs> it plays a weird noise but the command never closes
[04:37] <queuetue> Hi, all.  I've got a running ubuntu hoary Athlon system, and I pulled the drives and put them into a new Athlon 64 system... and the disks get errors - buffer I/O on logical block 0...  I can boot the system with DSL cd just fine, and mount, fsck, manipulate the disks just fine, no errors.  But I try to boot ubuntu, and the disk errors come back.  Does anyone have a clue?
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> ok
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> it worked, but if i close the console it stops working
[04:37] <goldfish> what is breezy?
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> what do I do to keep it running
[04:37] <yfir> thechitowncubs: that's how it works. if you want to keep a useable terminal when you run esd, type "esd &" instead
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> goldfish: the next release
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> ok
[04:37] <thechitowncubs> thanks
[04:37] <goldfish> it's out already?
[04:37] <NigelS> goldfish: aka ubuntu 5.10, scheduled for october
[04:37] <duken> goldfish: the next release of ubuntu
[04:37] <yfir> thechitowncubs: "esd &" will background it
[04:37] <goldfish> cool, thanks
[04:38] <duken> goldfish: not yet
[04:38] <goldfish> ah right
[04:38] <duken> just from apt-get
[04:38] <duken> if you trying to upgrade
[04:38] <thoreauputic> MMond: you "program" would by definition have to be "closed source" - hence it would be impossible to know what was in it ( a trojan, worm etc) : not an idea that appeals to peple in open/free software anyway
[04:39] <g14> MMond: the idea of a decompiler is very nice, the actual implimentations aren't so hot
[04:39] <duken> g14: u has tried the breezy ?
[04:39] <g14> MMond: If you don't understand low level C or ASM then forgot it
[04:39] <yfir> MMond: also, you'd have to figure out how other legitimate programs and services can access your "binary" passwords
[04:39] <g14> duken: No, but my best friend is a Ubuntu Dev and uses it
[04:40] <holycow> g14 or machine language
[04:40] <holycow> heh
[04:40] <duken> how his reason?
[04:40] <MMond> thoreauputic: People trust Adobe for their "closed source" . . . in a more pragmatic sense, the thing most important here is nevertheless security . . . at its most perfect state, is at least, what I feel safe with
[04:40] <holycow> ms actually require profficiency in being able to read machine language for some positions
[04:40] <g14> holycow: heh, asm is machine language
[04:41] <holycow> assembly is machine language?
[04:41] <crimsun> actually we distinguish microcode from asm
[04:41] <holycow> lol *shrug* wot do i know
[04:41] <NigelS> MMond: ask Skylarov about trusting Adobe :P
[04:41] <holycow> heh
[04:41] <yfir> MMond: also, what makes you think a password as "binary" is any more secure than MD5 encrypted password in a shadow file?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> MMond: you are wrong that people trust Adobe - in fact there has been recent information that their pdf reader contains spyware
[04:41] <g14> crimsun: your correct, but the differences are very minimal
[04:41] <MMond> g14: I'm young . . . and this appeals to me . . . I'm very erratic on my goings . . . I'm willing to learn C, got any pointers you can direct me to? :O
[04:41] <hien> Is it possible to add new categories to the "Applications" menu?
[04:41] <NigelS> no pun intended MMond ? :)
[04:41] <holycow> thoreauputic, i have no doubt about this, including the recent linux acroreader
[04:41] <MMond> Woah . . . spyware in Adobe's software? Absurdity! I trust Adobe with my life
[04:42] <thoreauputic> MMond: then I'm sorry, but you are very naive
[04:42] <g14> MMond: run a sniffer, that will tell you if they are sending your info back
[04:42] <MMond> Oh dear God, what has this world come to . . .
[04:42] <MMond> g14, what program of Adobe specifically?
[04:42] <holycow> MMond, to be sure, no one is actually saying they know there are
[04:42] <g14> MMond: Take classes in school for C, it's not exactly a beginners language. Maybe you could start with python
[04:42] <thoreauputic> MMond: this is one of the many advantages of open/Free software
[04:43] <holycow> we are extremely suspicious, adobe is a big corporation that hasn't shown good faith in the latter part of its existence
[04:43] <crimsun> MMond: the funny thing is that C is the most compact and easiest to learn of most languages
[04:43] <g14> MMond: I am not saying they do that, I am saying a sniffer will verfiy if they send info back or not
[04:43] <NigelS> a lot of people learn C first
[04:43] <MMond> And if I remember correctly -- the kernel of Linux was originally, and is, written in C?
[04:43] <holycow> still is
[04:43] <crimsun> MMond: C with arch-specific asm as necessary
[04:43] <holycow> gnome is mostly c if i remember reading that correctly
[04:43] <g14> MMond: yes there was a huge flamewar on LKML about the kernel being written in C++
[04:44] <Phoenix_Zero> given as its been a while since I asked, I will repeat my question
[04:44] <Phoenix_Zero> would anyone mind helping me with a graphics problem I'm having? I had nvidia driver running fine with an older card but now after I put a newer card in (NVIDIA 4200 ti, as to why I'm not installing with this, it wont work with install, monitor gives weird error (its stuck in another language)) After I config xorg for this new card and try to startx it just displays flashing white lines with maybe one pixel between them
[04:44] <MMond> We, the people, can see the source of the kernel -- can we not?
[04:44] <g14> C is one of the fastest languages, the lack of decent memory management (a garbage collector) make it difficult for some people new to the idea of programming
[04:44] <crimsun> MMond: of course
[04:44] <MMond> Then, would it not be really extremely easy to distinguish the language the kernel was written in?
[04:44] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, are you sure you have the right vertical and horizontal refresh rate?
[04:44] <holycow> thats the most common error
[04:45] <MMond> And leave no doubt?
[04:45] <NigelS> talking about huge flamewars, have people been watching this rather public spat? :) http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&PostNum=3322&Thread=1&entryID=49309&roomID=11
[04:45] <holycow> also try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and pick the most common setings, and try the vesa driver first
[04:45] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: very sure, I set them myself based on the monitor's specs
[04:45] <holycow> you can work backward from there toward your nvidia drivers
[04:45] <lizardcry> chk
[04:45] <crimsun> MMond: in what sense? Remember that C++ really isn't far at all from C if used "purely" imperatively/procedurally.
[04:45] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, whats the max res of your moni?
[04:45] <Phoenix_Zero> ...hmm...well theyre the only nvidia drivers listed and it said they would work with geforce series cards
[04:46] <NigelS> MMond: what's your question? no one's in doubt :)
[04:46] <yfir> MMond: there is no doubt, the kernel is written in C (basically) and you can look for youself if you don't believe me
[04:46] <lizardcry> how do you boot straight to the terminal, not into X?
[04:46] <Phoenix_Zero> max res is 1280*1024
[04:46] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, "which" nvidia drivers did you install, the ones that come with ubuntu, or using the nvidia drivers via the info on the ubuntu website?
[04:46] <Phoenix_Zero> should I not even enable those modes when configuring x?
[04:46] <MMond> crimsun: I'm referring to what g14 said
[04:46] <GammaRay> The mouse pointer flickers like mad when scrolling; Whats up?
[04:46] <Fazer> crimsun, http://linuxfocus.org/~guido/gentoo-tp600e/tp600e-gentoo1.4-config.html <-- did you check this out? I think that has the partmers you were talkin gabout
 MMond: yes there was a huge flamewar on LKML about the kernel being written in C++
[04:47] <Phoenix_Zero> using the ones I downloaded using apt-get as defined in the wiki "apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:47] <g14> MMond: sorry let me rephrase that...
[04:47] <MMond> Or maybe I misconstued his statement . . . ? :s
[04:47] <Fazer> crimsun, isapnp=0 cport=0x538 port=0x530 sb_port=0x220 fm_port=0x388 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0
[04:47] <crimsun> Fazer: you need parameters specific for _your_ install
[04:47] <GammaRay> dear god this channel is swollen now
[04:47] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, okay cool, yes that should be fine ...
[04:47] <crimsun> Fazer: they can differ from machine to machine
[04:47] <lizardcry> how do you boot straight to the terminal, not into X?
[04:47] <Fazer> crimsun, oh, damn =( okay
[04:47] <g14> MMond: A guy wrote a huge patch that allowed people to write kernel modules in C++
[04:47] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, do you get the gdm login menu at all?
[04:47] <Fazer> crimsun, let me restart
[04:47] <GammaRay> did half of #debian up and join?
[04:47] <yfir> MMond: that flame war was about whether the kernel should be in C or C++ or not, not what it was actually written in
[04:47] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, how far do you get on boot?
[04:48] <g14> MMond: Linus, Andrew Morton, and the main kernel devs laughed at it and said heck no
[04:48] <holycow> yfir, i think the kernel should be written in vb.net
[04:48] <thoreauputic> MMond: just a holy war about languages - anyone can see how it's written, because the code is available to all
[04:48] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: do you think it might be that I had x try and setup a res higher than the monitor allows? does it automatically try to boot into the highest res? When it starts x it goes into the white line blinking thing
[04:48] <holycow> -_-
[04:48] <g14> MMond: the kernel IS written in C
[04:48] <yfir> holycow: want to start a flame war about it :)
[04:48] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, yes thats what i'm trying to determine on your answers
 MMond: Linus, Andrew Morton, and the main kernel devs laughed at it and said heck no  <-- Why? C is much more powerful than C++ or what?
[04:48] <GammaRay> stop talking so quick.. don't make me ignore half of you!
[04:48] <thoreauputic> holycow: hell, no - BASIC !
[04:48] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, so do you see the gdm login screen?
[04:49] <yfir> holycow: personally, i'm partial to lisp...
[04:49] <Phoenix_Zero> I dont see a login screen at all
[04:49] <NigelS> lizardcry: I'm sure there's some ubuntu way of doing it :) but what's happening is gdm is being started. So move the gdm script from /etc/rc2.d/
[04:49] <holycow> yfir, haha funny :)
[04:49] <Phoenix_Zero> it starts x and goes nutz
[04:49] <g14> MMond: I don't remember the semantics, but I'm sure you could find it somewhere in the LKML archives. C is better for portability and really low level stuff
[04:49] <Kortor> Does anyone know if there is a mudclient for linux with the features of zMUD?
[04:49] <lizardcry> thanks
[04:49] <MMond> Ahh
[04:49] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, okay login to shell, do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:49] <holycow> phoenix then do startx ... does it go nuts still?
[04:49] <hien> g14: I'd say portability really just had to do with the quality of the compilers, the languages themselves are no more or less prone to portability.
[04:49] <Phoenix_Zero> um....
[04:49] <g14> MMond: basicly, the higher level a language is, the slower and less efficient it will run
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> I may sound like a moron, but it immediately starts into x
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> I dont know how to go only into shell
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> esentially I cant login
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> Im under LILO btw
[04:50] <Phoenix_Zero> Im reinstalling right now (no worries, was a clean install anyway...)
[04:50] <Marble2> what does gamin do?
[04:50] <NigelS> Phoenix_Zero: press ctr-alt-f1 to get to a virtual terminal.
[04:50] <goldfish> ctrl + alt + f1 to get aq shell
[04:50] <Marble2> /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server is hogging a ton of cpu
[04:50] <drbombay43> can anyone tell me where the rules file for iptables is kept
[04:50] <MMond> g14: "higher level" . . . don't know what you mean by that . . . but compact can indeed be powerful and stable . . . o.0
[04:50] <Marble2> does it matter if I kill it?
[04:50] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, no don't worry, oh lilo, well, not sure actually, how and why did you install lilo under ubuntu? thats just wrong on so many levels beyond 'just because'
[04:50] <g14> Marble2: gamin is a file monitor
[04:50] <holycow> hehe ;)
[04:50] <Marble2> g14: what is it used for?
[04:50] <g14> MMond: the more features, the higher level
[04:51] <Jerub> is there a a way of netinstalling ubuntu via bootting off the network?
[04:51] <g14> Marble2: for nautilus and gnome to see when files are added, deleted, or changed
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: on every attempt to install grub the installer fails
[04:51] <Marble2> ohh
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> actually Im almost to that part in the installation
[04:51] <lizardcry> how do you specifically address someone in chat?  [noob] 
[04:51] <Marble2> i know why it started then
[04:51] <Marble2> thanks
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> so Ill tell you the exact error soon...
[04:51] <yfir> Marble2: best not to kill it :)
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> lizardcry: double click on their name
[04:51] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, really? weird.  okay well let me outline a couple of things so that you know what ot look for.
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> their name in the side window that is
[04:51] <thoreauputic> lizardcry: type their name (use tab complete)
[04:51] <NigelS> lizardcry: start typing their name and press tab :)
[04:51] <Phoenix_Zero> thank you very much holycow
[04:51] <g14> MMond: ASM is very close to pure machine code, as a result, you need to know how to move data around in memory. This makes it very difficult to program
[04:52] <lizardcry> thoreauputic, doh
[04:52] <holycow> a: your xorg.conf file only specificies the 'possible' resolutions it doesn't tell gdm or x which one to use by default
[04:52] <lizardcry> NigelS, got it.
[04:52] <g14> MMond: Python is very easy to learn. It does alot of work (behind the scenes) for you.
[04:52] <thoreauputic> lizardcry: did I misunderstand?
[04:52] <holycow> b: you don't start x by default, you actually start gdm which then starts x
[04:52] <g14> MMond: ASM is very low level whereas Python is very high level
[04:52] <Phoenix_Zero> what is gdm holycow?
[04:52] <Jerub> I'm really really stressed out, my laptop has died, and the only way I can instlal anything on it is via netboot.
[04:52] <lizardcry> thoreauputic, nope. I made fun of myself for not knowing ...
[04:53] <Jerub> becuase I don't have the external cdrom for the laptop model.
[04:53] <queuetue> Are there seperate repositories for AMD64?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> lizardcry: ah, OK :)
[04:53] <holycow> c: gdm is a program that controls the session, its the application that you type your user pass into, its not the same as gnome or x btw, its a separate app
[04:53] <Phoenix_Zero> Im sorry Jerub..
[04:53] <MMond> And a more random question: About 2 months ago, I got the "Linux in a nutshell" book . . . it said, that one of the three reasons people want to use Linux is: 1) It's free 2) I forgot precsiely, but I think it may had been that it was stable, or for its open source, and ultimately, powerful choices of extensiblity 3) It's small . . . -- small? Keep in mind, that it has been only 2 weeks since I've started using Linux . . . it's not small! N
[04:53] <Jerub> is there a way to netboot+install ubuntu ?
[04:53] <MMond> ot smaller than Windows anyways . . . my laptop (which I chose, merely for "experimenting" and playing around with linux for) had windows before and it had much more free space
[04:53] <yfir> Phoenix_Zero: gdm is the 'gnome display manager' - it's basically your graphical login screen and the prog that starts your xsession
[04:53] <sadneophite> thoreauputic is there an ubuntu site for specific hardware problems... like could I write up an ubuntu help or something
[04:53] <Phoenix_Zero> Im using kde...
[04:53] <sadneophite> BOOOOOO!
[04:53] <MMond> And oh-- I only read .. maybe about 10 pages of that book . . . I wouldn't be speaking such things of idiocy had I completed it ;D
[04:53] <holycow> d: your using kdm then, it does the same thing
[04:53] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: here it came to the part where it fails "Executing 'grub-install (hd0) failed' this is a fatal error"
[04:53] <thoreauputic> sadneophite: the wiki , I guess
[04:54] <holycow> e: shut the 'f' up and let me finish, k?
[04:54] <holycow> :)
[04:54] <holycow> k.
[04:54] <sadneophite> well I gave fazer my patented fix
[04:54] <g14> Everyone knows that gnome or openbox are the best 2 desktop environments / wms out there. Lets not start a KDE Gnome flamewar :P
[04:54] <sadneophite> he has the same computer I do hahah
[04:54] <robitaille> sadneophite, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[04:54] <GammaRay> g14: openbox? pfft!
[04:54] <Phoenix_Zero> k, listening
[04:54] <yfir> g14: fluxbox!!! dammit!!
[04:54] <thoreauputic> MMond: a default linux install usually includes many apps - on windows you get notepad and internet explorer...
[04:55] <hien> MMond: The Linux you're running is a specific distro, meaning someone's chosen what to include in it.
[04:55] <g14> yfir: I HATE the tabs. Openbox is way better!
[04:55] <holycow> f: kdm then takes your login/pass, authenticates, starts either gnome or kde, and then kde tells 'x' to resize to either highest res (this is when you first login) or it uses the last resolution (if its like the second time you log in and have said you want your res to be 800x600 @ 75 hz for example)
[04:55] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, okay thats the line of events that happen ... so now we haveto figure out wher ein the chain you get the error
[04:55] <yfir> g14: i haven't tried openbox actually...  *blush*
[04:56] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, if i can't help fix the issue that should let you deduce the problem later y our self ...
[04:56] <hien> MMond: you gotta understand that an operating system doesn't have to be graphical and multimedia... an OS only has to provide some *core* functionality.
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:56] <Phoenix_Zero> hmm...well Ive never tried to go above 1024 when Ive been in a working environment
[04:56] <D_F> How do I change file associations in GNOME?
[04:56] <Phoenix_Zero> I bet anything that its the high rez
[04:56] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, so you don't see the kdm login screen at all then? when kdm starts up its just white lines?
[04:56] <MMond> Mmmmhmm . . . got it. I do have lots of apps . . . makes sense. Happy answer that sums up and makes sense.. thanks :)
[04:56] <g14> yfir: I actually like it better that flux but this is linux... to each his own
[04:56] <Phoenix_Zero> just white lines holycow
[04:56] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, thats why you haveto know the chain of events and where to change
[04:56] <hien> MMond: if you want to see why they say Linux is small... look up "Damn Small Linux".
[04:56] <GammaRay> g14: icewm man :-P
[04:57] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[04:57] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, try reducing the refresh rates to default conservative values, and resolution posibilites to 800x600
[04:57] <MMond> hien: Linux on a floppy? I think I read up on that . . .
[04:57] <thoreauputic> MMond: it's possible to fit a functional linux with tools on a floppy disk
[04:57] <fazer> uhm...
[04:57] <Phoenix_Zero> ok, Ill do that holycow and then come back when Im done, this might take about 10 minutes or so
[04:57] <fazer> bah
[04:57] <Phoenix_Zero> thank you Ill be back soon
[04:57] <thoreauputic> MMond: see Tom's RootBoot
[04:57] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, if that doesn't fix it, your next step is to figure out how kdm picks the resolution it chooses to start at, because thats the next event in the chain
[04:57] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, k.
[04:57] <_exciton> Hello I have an iBook running ubuntu 5.04 and I want to know if there is any wireless options like USB that will work with the iBook and ubuntu
[04:58] <fazer> thoreauputic, who is that other person who was using the same thinkpad as me?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> fazer: sadneophite ?
[04:58] <fazer> there we go!
[04:58] <fazer> sadneophite, yo!  it didn't work
[04:58] <sadneophite> yo
[04:58] <sadneophite> WHAT!
[04:58] <fazer> sadneophite, yeah, during boot up, i got an error
[04:58] <sadneophite> do you have a little sound icon in the upper right
[04:58] <DocUb> Anyone here know the command to mount your DVD drive?
[04:58] <fazer> "Device busy or" something
[04:58] <fazer> sadneophite, haha, nope.
[04:59] <MMond> thoreauputic: While we are on the topic -- someone stated, to "reset," the password of Windows XP . . . one could boot from Linux, find way to the SAM file . . . and change the password. I actually tried the Ubuntu Linux for this . . . I could not access to it . . . or rather, /mnt/ was empty . . . that made no sense -- could you please explain what might be going on here? Something specific with the Live CD?
[04:59] <DocUb> Fazer: how's ubuntu treating you?
[04:59] <g14> GammaRay: I am running XFCE with nautilus for the desktop / icons right now
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> MMond, since XP is installed on NTFS and Ubunu only reads NTFS, that is the reason
[04:59] <thoreauputic> MMond: I haven't used the live ubuntu CD - but knoppix can do it easily
[05:00] <Marble2> how can I create a .deb file from a .tar.gz?
[05:00] <g14> MMond: There is something better than that
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> MMond, there are customized bootables for just that purpose
[05:00] <thoreauputic> MMond: you have to mount the partition of course, read/write
[05:00] <fazer> DocUb, fine, fine, I wa able to get my soundcard to work, but still wiating on sound.  And it is laggy when I try to move windows around.
[05:00] <DocUb> what theme are you using?
[05:00] <DocUb> and do you have gtk2 installed?
[05:00] <holycow> MMond, just do fdisk or fdisk -l, or some other command to find /devices and parittions
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> fazer, at least it works
[05:00] <mainer> marble2: alien -d filename
 MMond, since XP is installed on NTFS and Ubunu only reads NTFS, that is the reason  <-- Was that a paradox, or am I a fool?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Marble2: that depends on whether it's a binary or source code
[05:01] <holycow> MMond, then just add the partition to your /etc/fstab and point it to the FOLDER you created for that partition in /mnt
[05:01] <MMond> Ahh
[05:01] <holycow> MMond, otherwise google how tomount partitions / hd's under linux
[05:01] <g14> I'm not running ubuntu atm
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> MMond, if you want to actually write to NTFS partition, then you will need to install the CaptiveNTFS
[05:01] <g14> does the stock kernel support NTFS?
[05:01] <holycow> MMond, you will find out that windows actually does exactly the same thing, they just hide it, and it will explain why windows spins the hd/floppy in the ways it does
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> gl4, in read only
[05:02] <GammaRay> g14: and I'm listening the guano apes.. boy they have gibberish for lyrics
[05:02] <BockBilbo> goodnite
[05:03] <MMond> But to this, one could only _change_ the password.. and perhaps set it to blank (by simply putting 0000.. to it) but suppose one wants to uphold the password . . . is it possible simply copy the hash then, and paste it later? Or does the algorithm change real-time or something?
[05:03] <LinuxJones> it's quiet
[05:03] <fazer> nomasteryoda, hey
[05:03] <fazer> nomasteryoda, well,yeah, it dos, but the reason why I was planning on switching to Linux was because of spyware and shit
[05:03] <fazer> since it all laggy and what ont, I don't see the reason to stay though =
[05:03] <fazer> and plus, there's no sound
[05:04] <g14> MMond: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html
[05:04] <Marble2> thoreauputic: a binary I think
[05:04] <Marble2> no make files, or ./configure bs
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Marble2: if so, there's no need to convert it
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> fazer, what kind of old system do you have? hehe
[05:04] <Marble2> thoreauputic: just add .deb extension?
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist, congrats man
[05:04] <DocUb> nice Gnu :-D
[05:04] <RastaMahata> woo
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Marble2: just decompress it, read theREADME or INSTALL text - usually it contains a script to be run
[05:05] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, thanx a bunch!  ;)
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> glad to help
[05:05] <Marble2> well it's an upgade from a package I got through apt-get
[05:05] <MMond> EFS, DES (was it?) and what were the few other ones..? :x
[05:05] <GnuKemist> DocUb, thanx
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Marble2: you usually make it executanle, and run it with ./scriptname
[05:05] <Marble2> and I don't want to have 2 copies
[05:05] <Marble2> I just want to update the one I already have
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Marble2: why are you bypassing the packaging su=ystem?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> *system
[05:06] <Don2> Anyone in here use Ubuntu with the iws2200 wifi card?
[05:06] <Marble2> it's not in the respositories yet
[05:06] <Marble2> and I'm impatient
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Marble2: what is it?
[05:06] <Marble2> which is why I wanted to convert it to a deb
[05:06] <GnuKemist> Don2, you mean the ipw2200?
[05:06] <Marble2> firefox 1.0.3
[05:06] <Don2> yes >_<
[05:06] <Dreamer3_> ok
[05:06] <Burgundavia> Marble2, it will only go into the breezy repos, but the security stuff will be backported
[05:07] <GnuKemist> Don2, I do... ;)
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Marble2: from mozilla.org?
[05:07] <Marble2> thoreauputic: yes
[05:07] <Dreamer3_> my system continues to "lose" memory
[05:07] <Dreamer3_> after 2-3 days it's unusable and i have to reboot...
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> Dreamer3_, running kde?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Marble2: then just read the directions - you run firefox-installer or something
[05:07] <Dreamer3_> nomasteryoda: no, gnome, stock hoary install
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> java?
[05:07] <Dreamer3_> nomasteryoda: no
[05:07] <Marble2> yea. but how do I get it so my firefox file overwrites /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[05:08] <MMond> g14: So again -- what did you advise that I learn first? Python? :o
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Marble2: you don't
[05:08] <Marble2> can I just cp it over no big deal?
[05:08] <Don2> GnuKemist, it recognized it during install but my internet is a little different. The ISP does some sort of DHCP and acts like the router it's hooked up to. Each computer has it's own IP outside of the router. If you know what I mean, do you know how to set that up?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Marble2: no
[05:08] <chaitatp> hello which command do you use to start/stop mysqld?
[05:08] <Marble2> yea, see I don't want to have 2 copies running
[05:08] <Marble2> just wanted to update it
[05:08] <Dreamer3_> chaitatp: /etc/init.d/mysql stop?
[05:08] <Dreamer3_> WOW
[05:08] <Dreamer3_> irssi auto-completed
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Marble2: just install it in your home directory and make a link for it is the easiest way
[05:08] <fazer> nomasteryoda, i have a Thinkpad 600E
[05:08] <g14> MMond: Python is very easy to learn, it is in heavy use for linux development (Redhat uses pygtk2 for all of their system tools) and Canonical loves python
[05:08] <fazer> nomasteryoda, it has 366 MHz with 160 MB ram.
[05:08] <fazer> nomasteryoda, the video ram is 2.5
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> fazer, k
[05:09] <fazer> Dreamer3_, yeah, its awesome.
[05:09] <g14> MMond: it will get you familar with programming in general
[05:09] <GnuKemist> Don2, in other words you're connected directly to the ISP... no router on your end?
[05:09] <fazer> nomasteryoda, should I give xfce4 a try or something.
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> fazer, you could set the ram using a script
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> shared ram
[05:09] <MMond> And before I tackle it, am I expected to know anything before it?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> right?
[05:09] <chaitatp> Dreamer3_: thanks, and whatif i want to prevent it from running within a specific runlevel?
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Marble2: if you overwrite /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox, you are just breaking things
[05:09] <Don2> Yes, there is a wireless router (linksys). The ISP does something really weird, I've never seen anything like it
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> fazer, flux is nice
[05:09] <Don2> I dont think I can access the router through the browser >_> (in this box)
[05:09] <Marble2> k
[05:09] <ripgut> firefox 1.0.3 is out
[05:09] <Dreamer3_> chaitatp: edit the links in /etc/rC0.d (something like that)
[05:10] <fazer> nomasteryoda, shared ram for video?!
[05:10] <ripgut> how do i update to it
[05:10] <Don2> I do an ipconfig in windows and it looks like it's set up directly to the isp, never touching the router
[05:10] <Marble2> haha
[05:10] <fazer> nomasteryoda, how is that...like...possible?
[05:10] <GnuKemist> Don2, I was having problems until a few hours ago
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Marble2: you really don't need to uninstall anything
[05:10] <Marble2> i was just asking that ripgut
[05:10] <Don2> but it's on a wireless modem too
[05:10] <ripgut> :P
[05:10] <Don2> -modem +wifi
[05:10] <Dreamer3_> holycow: you could try update-rc.d, read the manpage, but not sure that's what it's used for
[05:10] <g14> MMond: http://www.diveintopython.org/
[05:10] <chaitatp> Dreamer3_: yeah, i know buta i thought there's something about update-rc.d command
[05:10] <GnuKemist> Don2, I couldn't get an IP for mine though
[05:10] <holycow> Dreamer3_, wrong nick -_-
[05:10] <Dreamer3_> chaitatp: read it's man page, see what you think
[05:10] <Marble2> thoreauputic: I'm not... it still uses ~/.mozilla for my profile, so i'm just running my 1.0.3 install untill it's in the repositories
[05:10] <Dreamer3_> holycow: yeah, sorry
[05:10] <Don2> yea, the ISP dynamically gives the computer an IP address
[05:11] <aliasd> heyas, i just did my first ubuntu install
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Marble2: right
[05:11] <aliasd> i got a couple of questions
[05:11] <Marble2> aliasd: shoot
[05:11] <aliasd> 1. is the root password randomised, changed periodically?
[05:11] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: there is no root password
[05:11] <Marble2> there is not root password by default
[05:11] <ripgut> o
[05:11] <ripgut> k
[05:11] <Marble2> it
[05:11] <aliasd> the password is nothing?
[05:11] <ripgut> so about this firefox update
[05:11] <Marble2> just use sudo for root commands
[05:11] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: root is disabled
[05:11] <MMond> g14: Got it, thanks for the pointers and the answers :)
[05:12] <Marble2> sudo command that requires root access here
[05:12] <GnuKemist> Don2, I got the new firmware from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net and copied them to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and it just started working after a reboot
[05:12] <Marble2> or you could do sudo passwd root to set a password, but you don't need to
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist, lol
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> i forgot all about the firmware
[05:12] <Don2> GnuKemist, I'll give that a try.
[05:12] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, hehehe....  the weirdest thing
[05:12] <aliasd> umm... there has to be a root password, weather or not anyone knows it :)
[05:13] <GnuKemist> Don2, hope it will do the trick for you
[05:13] <Don2> Me too ;)
[05:13] <NigelS> aliasd: no, there doesn't :P the root account is disabled
[05:13] <ogra> aliasd, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:13] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: it's prolly randomly set and root is disabled
[05:13] <aliasd> fair nuff
[05:13] <aliasd> anyway
[05:13] <queuetue> Is there an AMD64 process?  Is the install supposed to know what kernels to use, or am I supposed to download a different ISO?
[05:13] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: move along, move along, no root, nothing to see here ;-)
[05:13] <thoreauputic> aliasd: not exactly - sudo effectively makes your user pass into a root pass
[05:13] <duken> how to make bootflash ?
[05:13] <aliasd> how do i get packages from the universe apt repository to add themselves into the gnome menus?
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: restart gnome? they should
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: at least most of the big ones that are packaged right
[05:14] <aliasd> thoreauputic, i know how sudo works :)
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: maybe apt-get install menu?
[05:14] <aliasd> hmm, i will try that
[05:14] <aliasd> is that the debian menu system?
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: i'm not sure what it is, just know i've seen it before :)
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> aliasd: i installe something and it usually shows up :)
[05:14] <fazer> crimsun, so, what informtaion were you asking of to get the sound working?
[05:15] <aliasd> gnome really needs something like the kde appfinder, or that similar program for windows
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:15] <g14> aliasd: like beagle's Bleeding edge search tool maybe?
[05:15] <duken> how to make bootsplash ?
[05:16] <aliasd> g14, is that what im after?
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> fazer, you might want to turn on DMA on the HD to make the system more responsive . side effect should make sound smother
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> smoother
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> aliasd, no
[05:17] <Don2> GnuKemist, what version do I need (firmware)? How would I figure out what I have?
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> beagle is the search engine for the desktop
[05:17] <aliasd> oh, like mac's finder?
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> on steroids
[05:17] <GnuKemist> Don2, I actually just downloaded the current version off the website
[05:17] <g14> aliasd: Beagle is what Longhorn aspires to be with WinFS search
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> similar to google desktop, but better
[05:17] <fazer> nomasteryoda, what? how...do I do that?
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> Don2, that should work
[05:17] <g14> aliasd: and it is sort of equivalent to Apple's spotlight search
[05:17] <Marble2> Is there a way to change the dialogs firefox uses to upload and download files?
[05:18] <Don2> k cool
[05:18] <fazer> nomasteryoda, and DMA on the HD is off? How do you know that?  ANd what is DMA?
[05:18] <aliasd> fair nuff
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> fazer, google for hdparm
[05:18] <aliasd> i like the idea of beagle
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> fazer, it should also be in apt
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> Direct Memory Access
[05:18] <g14> aliasd: check out the first 2 videos. THEY ARE SOO COOL! http://www.nat.org/demos/
[05:18] <aliasd> but i want something with a database of known applications that can find the binarys for those apps, and add them to menus
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> gl4, yea
[05:18] <cnez0red> hey I'm on dialup. Is there a way I can limit the bandwidth on an apt-file update, so it doen's take it all up?
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> i got to see Nat show them off at Brainshare
[05:19] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: this is taking longer than expected, Ive screwed up a few times, please excuse me
[05:19] <aliasd> heh, im on a bork3d archlinux install, no web browser, and no package manager
[05:19] <g14> nomasteryoda: thats awesome
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> it was fun
[05:19] <fazer> nomasteryoda, that will solve this window lagging?
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> sat right up front
[05:19] <holycow> Phoenix_Zero, thats okay, if i leave you should have the framework to ask the right questions
[05:19] <Marble2> aliasd: use w3m
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> fazer, the dma turned on will help
[05:19] <siimo> anyone wanna help sort this mess? i cant remember which cable goes where ! http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/cables.jpg
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> and changing the shared mem for video
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> fazer, which video chipset?
[05:21] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, was that (Brainshare) in Utah?
[05:21] <aliasd> Marble2, would rather back up the system and install something better
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> very fun
[05:21] <Marble2> ;)
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> i got to go for free...
[05:21] <fazer> nomasteryoda, hold, let me you get you exact name
[05:21] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, I met Miguel this Feb
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> Novell paid for the flight
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:21] <fazer> nomasteryoda, VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [MagicGraph 256AV]  (rev 20)
[05:22] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, he was pretty cool.. got to see a bunch of the gnome folks
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> ah, let me look again
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> yea, they hacked up the demo and finished it at 1am the day of the keynote where nat showed it off
[05:22] <Don2> How do I extract the tgz into /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware? I need to login to do it? >_<
[05:22] <valts> hey how do i remove animation of 'min-max'imize' in Gnome?
[05:23] <MMond> In gnome-terminal . . . is there a "find feature" for the past history of it? Through the entire text on the terminal that has passed? :x Like "ctrl + f" in windows on a text file? :x
[05:23] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, I also got Mako to give a talk at my LUG
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> MMond, try history | grep command
[05:23] <GnuKemist> MMond, ctrl + r
[05:23] <dcraven> valts, In gconf-editor, set /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources to true.
[05:23] <MMond> Ahh, cool, thanks
[05:24] <GnuKemist> ;)
[05:24] <RustyShackleford> I'm back.  I tried to fix the resolution, but I always got the error that it could not start the xserver.  So I had to go back to 640.
[05:24] <GnuKemist> ouch
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> MMond, you can also type 'history' then select your command by line number
[05:25] <cnez0red> hey I'm on dialup. Is there a way I can limit the bandwidth on an apt-file update, so it doen's take it all up?
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> cnez0red, there should be
[05:25] <MMond> Okay . . . any way I can have that simply high-lighted while all else that is surrounding the specific text is visable on the screen?
[05:25] <valts> dcraven : Thanks for your help!
[05:25] <dcraven> valts, any time.
[05:26] <DocUb> Does anyone know the command to mount my DVD
[05:26] <DocUb> not been a big fan here for the DV mounting lately
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> MMond, then use !linenumber
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> to call one of them out to use
[05:26] <RustyShackleford> Anybody know why i'm having this problem?
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> RustyShackleford, the drivers?
[05:27] <MMond> nomasteryoda: Based on what you said . . . and I'm taking guesses here, can I just do "history > file.txt" and maybe open that file with a GUI text editor such as leafpad and go windows-style?
[05:27] <Don2> Trying to figure out how I can login into my root so I can move files into a protected folder
[05:27] <MMond> Is it possible?
[05:27] <MMond> I'm mainly skeptic on the "history > file.txt" command . . .
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> MMond, if you want
[05:28] <MrNonchalant> Don2: There is no root account in Ubuntu.
[05:28] <MMond> Just gotta enable the root account, yep . . .
[05:28] <DocUb> Don2: you'll need to chmod 777 to that dir
[05:28] <MMond> nomasteryoda: got it, thanks
[05:28] <dcraven> RustyShackleford, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:28] <GnuKemist> Don2, use the root terminal  ;)
[05:28] <Marble2> uh MrNonchalant yes there is
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:28] <turkey_joe> When i am watching a dvd i can't hear any audio??
[05:28] <Don2> I was just making sure there wasnt an easier route :P
[05:28] <turkey_joe> any solutions?
[05:28] <circuit_rider_> Don2 - you can use sudo 'command' - or you can do sudu su
[05:29] <GnuKemist> Don2, ;)
[05:29] <MrNonchalant> Marble2: "In Ubuntu, the traditional UNIX 'root' account is disabled." - UbuntuLinux.org
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i hope fazer comes back
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i found the info he needs
[05:29] <Marble2> that doesn't mean it doesn't exist just because it's disabled by default
[05:30] <turkey_joe> can someone help me with my audio troubles??
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> turkey_joe, what chipset & machine
[05:30] <fazer> fuck
[05:30] <fazer> whoops
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> fazer, lol
[05:31] <dcraven> Speak of the cussin' devil.
[05:31] <turkey_joe> nforce 2
[05:31] <fazer> damn, stupid sound isn't working!
[05:31] <akurashy> How can I use cp to copy multiple files to a directory
[05:31] <fazer> thoreauputic, what was his name again?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> fazer, you can add a line to the xorg.conf file to make it share some more ram
[05:31] <Jerub> akurashy: cp file1 file2 directory/
[05:31] <GnuKemist> akurashy, man cp
[05:31] <fazer> nomasteryoda, ooh, I see.
[05:31] <fazer> where is this file?
[05:32] <turkey_joe> i hear sound within the OS.
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> /etc/X11/xorg.conf i think
[05:32] <GnuKemist> fazer, /etc/X11
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[05:32] <Don2> GnuKemist, I've copied the files into the directory for the firmware. Now what?
[05:32] <Don2> (regarding the ipw2200)
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist, thks
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> Don2, rebooting should enable it
[05:32] <GnuKemist> Don2, what I did was reboot but I make no garantees
[05:32] <Don2> k cool
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> right GnuKemist
[05:32] <fazer> GnuKemist, thanks
[05:32] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, my pleasure
[05:33] <GnuKemist> fazer, pleasure
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> Don2, remember dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> just in case
[05:33] <Don2> >_>
[05:33] <fazer> GnuKemist, bah, now if I only can get the soundcard to work on my thinkpad 600e.  Bah.
[05:34] <GnuKemist> fazer, mine just worked...  you said you got the nforce one right?
[05:34] <dcraven> fazer, what chipset is the thinkpad?
[05:34] <fazer> GnuKemist, uh...no not nforce.
[05:34] <fazer> dcraven, hold on.
[05:34] <fazer> Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4610/11 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[05:34] <fazer> there we go
[05:34] <GnuKemist> fazer, sorry... wrong memory  ;)
[05:34] <fazer> GnuKemist, no worries =)
[05:34] <dcraven> fazer, you'd think you'd have it memorized by now ;P
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> fazer, did you see this? http://www.io.com/~manojk/linux-tp600x/
[05:35] <fazer> that is 600x, mine's 600e
[05:35] <GnuKemist> fazer, do you know if the module for it is loaded?
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:35] <fazer> GnuKemist, how do I check? lsmod?
[05:35] <GnuKemist> fazer, yup... but assuming you know the name already
[05:35] <Kortor> Anyone here know anything about tinyfugue?
[05:36] <fazer> GnuKemist, well, i see "cs4236"
[05:36] <super_dude2> whats the defut root pasword in ubuntu ?
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, there isn't
[05:36] <fazer> not sure if csnd_cs46xx is the name of the module
[05:36] <lunitik> super_dude2: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> you use the first user password
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> lunitik, thks
[05:36] <turkey_joe> can someone help me with my audio problem??
[05:37] <super_dude2> when i went to run program as user i put in my first user account pasword to go on root and it said worng password
[05:37] <GnuKemist> fazer, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml has a good tutorial on Alsa...  should be helpfull
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, just type
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> sudo
[05:37] <elcu> I'd like to use XFce but am not sure which package to install.  I'm running Warty.
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> and then your password
[05:37] <fazer> GnuKemist, thanks
[05:37] <lukewarm> anyone tried to install unreal tournament 2003 on hoary *AMD64*? the installer is confused and thinks I'm using glibc-2.0
[05:37] <super_dude2> in terminal?
[05:37] <GnuKemist> fazer, np  ;)
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:38] <super_dude2> ok
[05:38] <beggar> elcu xfce4
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> nice... just installed knoppix on my laptop
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> as 6th boot
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:38] <elcu> beggar: so not the xfce package? but xfce4?
[05:38] <darmou> does anyone know of mplayer that works with esd? ie mplayer-esd package?
[05:39] <turkey_joe> well fine then, i guess i'll have to continue using windows
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> turkey_joe, ouch
[05:39] <wgandhi> darmu, i compiled mplayer from source as a debian package...
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> if you will provide some more info, we might be able to help
[05:39] <wgandhi> it works with esd post compile.
[05:39] <turkey_joe> yeal....its painfull i know
[05:39] <beggar> yes...i think the "xfce" is an older vercion... 3.*
[05:39] <elcu> goodo
[05:40] <maclan> what's the prob turkey?
[05:40] <GnuKemist> fazer, I think your module/driver should be cs4610
[05:40] <darmou> ahh ok so just download the standard mplayer src package build it as a debian package and it should work with esd out of the box cool ,thanks for your help:)
[05:40] <turkey_joe> can hear anything when trying to watch a dvd.
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> great, knoppix installed in german
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:40] <GnuKemist> fazer, snd-cs46xx to be exact
[05:40] <benkorkor_> Question: can impress play embedded sounds in presentations?
[05:41] <DocUb> anyone know the command to mount the dvd on?
[05:41] <wgandhi> darmu, run mplayer with -ao of esd..
[05:41] <DocUb> to the fstab
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> benkorkor_, it does in mine
[05:41] <maclan> but you see images?
[05:41] <maclan> what are you using to watch the dvds?
[05:41] <GnuKemist> DocUb, is there an entry for the dvd in fstab?
[05:41] <DocUb> no
[05:41] <turkey_joe> xine
[05:41] <wgandhi> darmu, try mplayer -ao help
[05:41] <DocUb> I made th efolder in /dev
[05:41] <benkorkor_> nomasteryoda, did you change any default settings?
[05:41] <wgandhi> if esd is listed urs set..
[05:41] <GnuKemist> DocUb, that could explain why it doesn't show up
[05:42] <MMond> By the "tail" command . . . does it offer such an option, that could capture not the very last of the lines . . . but modifiable on that part? Like for example . . . not the last 10 lines, but starting at before the last lines . . . and then regular from thereon . . .
[05:42] <DocUb>  can't find /dev/dvd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:42] <DocUb> not sure how to even add it for the dvd
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> DocUb, it should load automatically
[05:43] <benkorkor_> nomasteryoda, i'm using 1.1.3, you?
[05:43] <SpookyET> Does Rythmbox supports the iPod like amaroK?
[05:43] <GnuKemist> DocUb, if you dmesg |grep dvd you'll see where it is... should be /dev/hdc
[05:43] <DocUb> That's what I thought too
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> 2.0
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> er. beta
[05:43] <DocUb> ok Gnu, lemme give it shot
[05:43] <super_dude2> how do i run executeble files?
[05:43] <darmou> ok does anyone know how to configure the mplayer plugin to work with esd?
[05:43] <dcraven> GnuKemist is right fazer, I think you need the snd-cs46xx driver too.
[05:43] <dcraven> err...module
[05:44] <GnuKemist> DocUb, I'm a Gentoo user and not used to automatic mounting... ;)  don't know much yet about Ubuntu and udev
[05:44] <maclan> have you tried playing in anything else?
[05:44] <fazer> oh
[05:44] <fazer> thanks dcraven  and GnuKemist
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> try inserting another dvd or cd
[05:44] <dcraven> super_dude2, I swear you were in here a day or two ago asking the same questions.
[05:44] <fazer> But, where do I get these drivers?
[05:44] <benkorkor_> nomasteryoda, will give beta a try
[05:44] <GnuKemist> fazer, hope it works
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> google
[05:44] <dcraven> super_dude2, ./filename
[05:44] <super_dude2> i probly was
[05:44] <maclan> try installing totem-xine and using totm to play the movie
[05:44] <fazer> GnuKemist, I hope so too, but I am still lost
[05:44] <darmou> Does the lastest hoary kernel have inotify compiled in?
[05:44] <dcraven> fazer, you already have it.. modprobe it if it is not loaded.
[05:44] <GnuKemist> fazer, you see, I only know how to do it by building it into the kernel
[05:45] <Burgundavia> darmou, yes, but not turned on
[05:45] <maclan> i don't use xine player myself, i was looking for an option to select its sound output to esd but i can't find it
[05:45] <super_dude2> dcraven: it says accses denied
[05:45] <dantheman> how do i change the default program to open a given file type?
[05:45] <super_dude2> permision sorry
[05:45] <dcraven> super_dude2, prepend it with sudo if you trust the source.
[05:45] <super_dude2> i do
[05:46] <lizardcry> there's a gtk widgets package for openoffice;  what about for kde?????
[05:46] <dcraven> lizardcry, I doubt it. Try asking in #kubuntu if nobody here can help.
[05:46] <super_dude2> now it says command not found?
[05:46] <fazer> GnuKemist, oh =(
[05:46] <fazer> dcraven, I modprobed it, didn't do anything =/
[05:47] <GnuKemist> fazer, maybe it's called something else?
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> lizardcry, yes
[05:47] <dcraven> super_dude2, cd /path/to/file/I/want/to/run; sudo ./filename
[05:47] <DocUb> GnuKemist: it says: Mount: dev/dvd is not a block device
[05:47] <fazer> hnmm
[05:47] <elcu> Anyone use gdesklets?  I've installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data but when I run it from the Applications menu, nothing happens.  The gdesklets application in the window list dissapears after a while.
[05:47] <DocUb> so must be getting close I suppose
[05:47] <GnuKemist> fazer, at which point you're completely w/o a clue as to what it is called
[05:47] <fazer> GnuKemist, yeah =(
[05:48] <GnuKemist> DocUb, you have to tell me what you did after we last spoke
[05:48] <DocUb> anyone have an fstab for dvd I can use
[05:48] <DocUb> ok
[05:48] <DocUb> /dev/dvd        /media/dvd      udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:48] <GnuKemist> DocUb, did you mount /dev/hdc to /mnt something?
[05:48] <super_dude2> it still says command not found
[05:48] <DocUb> I put that in the fstab
[05:48] <darmou> Burgundavia how do you turn it on?
[05:48] <GnuKemist> DocUb, but does /dev/dvd exist and link to /dev/hdc?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, did you choose the root terminal
[05:48] <holycow> heh
[05:48] <super_dude2> yes
[05:48] <DASC> hi
[05:48] <Don2> GnuKemist, still nothing after the firmware. >_< I found an article that says to use the latest drivers but I get an error "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop."
[05:48] <Burgundavia> darmou, no idea, sorry
[05:49] <DASC> 1 question
[05:49] <DocUb> lemme check
[05:49] <holycow> finally got vmware installed on an ubuntu system on a p300, 400 megs ram
[05:49] <holycow> woot
[05:49] <holycow> also installed win2k, on it for runnin weird stuff
[05:49] <DASC> how install the real player
[05:49] <DASC> for firefox
[05:49] <GnuKemist> Don2, I'm assuming you are trying to compile the drivers
[05:49] <DASC> ??
[05:49] <holycow> :) it's not so bad infact, responsive enough, its not 10ghz system but so what
[05:49] <GnuKemist> Don2, and you should be only copying files over to the folder
[05:49] <holycow> ubuntu, you don't sleep much, do you?
[05:49] <dcraven> super_dude2, then the file isn't there.
[05:49] <Don2> I just downloaded the drivers from the ipw2200 project website. No clue
[05:49] <holycow> :)
[05:49] <DASC> y unlock with chmod
[05:49] <DASC> but now
[05:49] <GnuKemist> Don2, don't compile driver
[05:49] <super_dude2> but it is i can see
[05:50] <Don2> k
[05:50] <Don2> Where do I copy the drivers to?
[05:50] <DASC> i do not how install
[05:50] <DASC> is .bin
[05:50] <dcraven> super_dude2, what kind of file is it?
[05:50] <DocUb> GnuKemist, I have no Idea, this is way to confusing for me
[05:50] <GnuKemist> Don2, if you lsmod do you see ipw2200 ?
[05:50] <dcraven> dcraven, is it executable?
[05:50] <super_dude2> executeble to install first class
[05:50] <ubuntu> gn
[05:50] <DocUb> it says it's not a block devie, and I suck terribly at mounting
[05:50] <dantheman> does anyone know how to change the default program to open a given file type?
[05:50] <Don2> GnuKemist, yes.
[05:51] <dcraven> super_dude2, bash script? Binary? Python script? Perl?
[05:51] <fazer> dcraven, GnuKemist do you think if I find those old How-to documents, which are made for like RH6, do you think it could still work?
[05:51] <Don2> ipw220  66156 0
[05:51] <GnuKemist> Don2, should be /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
[05:51] <dcraven> fazer, there is a chance. I dunno.
[05:51] <Don2> Just copy the drivers to the same firmware folder?
[05:51] <GnuKemist> fazer, lemme see if I can find something here
[05:51] <super_dude2> dont know all i know is its an exectuble installer
[05:51] <GnuKemist> Don2, yes
[05:51] <Don2> k
[05:51] <GnuKemist> DocUb, ls -l /dev/hdc
[05:52] <pharaonic_anubis> Does anyone have experience with the Cedega CVS release?
[05:52] <DocUb> brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-04-15 17:06 /dev/hdc
[05:52] <DocUb> GnuKemist ^^
[05:52] <dcraven> super_dude2, "chmod 777 filename" then "sudo ./filename".
[05:52] <GnuKemist> DocUb, now ls -l /dev/dvds
[05:52] <GnuKemist> DocUb, now ls -l /dev/dvd
[05:52] <GnuKemist> no s
[05:53] <DocUb> bash: now: command not found
[05:53] <darmou> mmm managed to configure mplayer plugin to use esd but now getting stuttering on sound
[05:53] <DocUb> err
[05:53] <super_dude2> it says ./fcc-7.1-rc17: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:53] <GnuKemist> DocUb, don't type now ;)
[05:53] <DocUb> total 0
[05:53] <DocUb> sorry
[05:53] <GnuKemist> DocUb, ls -l
[05:53] <GnuKemist> DocUb, np
[05:53] <dcraven> super_dude2, it is only executable if the permissions say so. Websites calling it executable is meaningless.
[05:53] <a_peck> :)
[05:53] <fazer> GnuKemist, thank you
[05:53] <GnuKemist> DocUb, change your fstab to /dev/hdc /mnt/media
[05:54] <GnuKemist> fazer, np
[05:54] <fazer> GnuKemist, I have fund some stuff but haven't tried it yet.
[05:54] <tweek888> hello,im having a problem with the sound controller ssetting my volume back to 0
[05:54] <GnuKemist> fazer, am keeping my fingers crossed
[05:54] <super_dude2> well when i dblclick on it it says the was an error launching the aplication
[05:54] <DocUb> GnuKemist one sec
[05:54] <GnuKemist> DocUb, k
[05:54] <DocUb> should I replace it?
[05:54] <GnuKemist> yup
[05:54] <DocUb> ok done
[05:55] <GnuKemist> DocUb, ls -l /mnt/media
[05:55] <DocUb> ls: /mnt/media: No such file or directory
[05:55] <fazer> GnuKemist, hehe cool
[05:55] <DocUb> might want it to say mount?
[05:56] <GnuKemist> DocUb, I only asked that b/c that's what you had told me....  mkdir /mnt/media
[05:56] <Don2> GnuKemist, I've copied the files to the directory and restarted. Now what?
[05:56] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: you still there?
[05:56] <GnuKemist> Don2, try your card
[05:56] <DocUb> lol
[05:56] <DocUb> ok done
[05:56] <DocUb> sorry about that
[05:56] <Don2> How? >_<
[05:56] <GnuKemist> DocUb, np... ;)
[05:56] <GnuKemist> Don2, man iwconfig
[05:56] <GnuKemist> Don2, do you know the AP essid?
[05:56] <Don2> Yep
[05:57] <Phoenix_Zero> holycow: you still there?
[05:57] <DocUb> ok total for /mnt/media is total 0
[05:57] <GnuKemist> Don2, iwconfig eth1 (your device may be something else) essid [name] 
[05:57] <DocUb> same as dev/dvd
[05:57] <super_dude2> dcraven: what now?
[05:57] <GnuKemist> DocUb, mount -a
[05:57] <dcraven> super_dude2, ?
[05:57] <super_dude2> how do i run it?
[05:58] <DocUb> ok done
[05:58] <dcraven> super_dude2, I thought you ran it and it said you needed qt.
[05:58] <GnuKemist> ls -l /mnt/media
[05:58] <Don2> Ok, now what GnuKemist?
[05:58] <super_dude2> no?
[05:58] <GnuKemist> Don2, iwconfig eth1 key [wep goes here if you use it] 
[05:58] <DocUb> total 0
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> GnuKemist, nice
[05:59] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, ?
[05:59] <Don2> k, done with that
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> that command
[05:59] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, thanx anyhow  ;)
[05:59] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, ohh
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> just one of the nice little things about linux
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> terminal
[05:59] <GnuKemist> nomasteryoda, hehehe
[05:59] <DocUb> lol
[05:59] <DocUb> very true
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> cli
[05:59] <GnuKemist> 'amen
[05:59] <super_dude2> oh well then how do i get "qt"
[05:59] <GnuKemist> Don2, ifup eth1
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, apt-get install qt
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> right?
[06:00] <DocUb> GnuKemist, did you want me to do anything else?
[06:00] <Phoenix_Zero> allright, would  anybody else be able to help me with my video/gfx issue?
[06:00] <DocUb> don't mean to bother
[06:00] <DocUb> :(
[06:00] <GnuKemist> DocUb, do you have any dvd in the dvd tray? ;)
[06:00] <Phoenix_Zero> right now I have the nvidia driver installed but whenever I boot it wont go into x fully ,it just crashes
[06:00] <DocUb> yep
[06:00] <GnuKemist> DocUb, np at all
[06:00] <Don2> GnuKemist, Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
[06:00] <GnuKemist> DocUb, and you can't see anything yet?  with ls?
[06:00] <super_dude2> cannot find package
[06:00] <dcraven> super_dude2, try "sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev".
[06:01] <DocUb> total 0 GnuKemist
[06:01] <GnuKemist> Don2, iwconfig should tell you if the device name
[06:01] <super_dude2> still cannot find packege
[06:01] <DocUb> the HD light shows then it goes away
[06:01] <elcu> Phoenix_Zero: any error messages?
[06:01] <GnuKemist> DocUb, try it as root
[06:02] <GnuKemist> Don2, are you sure the device is eth1?
[06:02] <Don2> I should be using the right device name O_o
[06:02] <Don2> I'll try eth0
[06:02] <Phoenix_Zero> well it just did the white lines thing again...
[06:02] <Don2> ifconfig shows it as eth1
[06:02] <Phoenix_Zero> after a long black screen
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, which version? warty or hoary
[06:02] <DocUb> GnuKemist: total 0 as root and user
[06:02] <super_dude2> warty
[06:02] <GnuKemist> Don2, iwconfig by itself
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:02] <DocUb> to weird
[06:02] <shawnh> good evening
[06:02] <DocUb> it's like it doesn't want to mount
[06:02] <SiRrUs> hello
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> super_dude2, you need to look at the wiki for warty
[06:02] <shawnh> sirus
[06:03] <GnuKemist> DocUb, were you running mount -a as user or root?
[06:03] <DocUb> root
[06:03] <Don2> I did iwconfig, it shows it as eth1
[06:03] <shawnh>  how is it goin tinnight
[06:03] <super_dude2> why?
[06:03] <shawnh> root
[06:03] <GnuKemist> Don2, then it should be eth1
[06:03] <SiRrUs> hello shawnh
[06:03] <dcraven> super_dude2, the libqt3-mt-dev package is in the Hoary repos.
[06:03] <Don2> I tried eth0 essid linksys and it says invalid arguement
[06:03] <shawnh> any gals out there
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> and add the other sources of apt packages to your /etc/sources.list
[06:03] <DocUb> lol
[06:03] <shawnh> I'm shawn
[06:03] <shawnh>  from bc
[06:03] <DocUb> this is Open Source Shawnh :)
[06:03] <super_dude2> oh
[06:03] <Phoenix_Zero> any ideas elco?
[06:03] <DocUb> nice to meet you
[06:03] <shawnh> so what are ya guys chatting about
[06:03] <shawnh> eh dude
[06:03] <GnuKemist> Don2, someone told me to try the GUI way first...  System -> Admin -> Networking
[06:04] <shawnh>  yeah  salgood
[06:04] <shawnh> yeaheh man
[06:04] <shawnh>  I sent my  comoputer to my cousin and   this is what I got back
[06:04] <shawnh>  seems to be working  fine
[06:04] <DocUb> GnuKemist: did you want me to settle for the night?
[06:04] <SiRrUs> shawnh seems you cousin is pretty smart
[06:04] <shawnh> what is open source
[06:05] <shawnh> hehhe
[06:05] <shawnh>  yeah  he is
[06:05] <elcu> Phoenix_Zero: Well, I'm on an ATI card. :-/  What install steps did you use?
[06:05] <shawnh>  are you a woman sirus
[06:05] <GnuKemist> DocUb, I'm actually leaving soon, but sometimes I good reboot or some sleep helps  ;)
[06:05] <erich> My Java 1.5 is not working any more since the latest upgrades.:-(
[06:05] <SiRrUs> no
[06:05] <DocUb> ah
[06:05] <shawnh> hahha
[06:05] <Phoenix_Zero> allright, would  anybody else be able to help me with my video/gfx issue?
[06:05] <shawnh>  too funny
[06:05] <Phoenix_Zero> right now I have the nvidia driver installed but whenever I boot it wont go into x fully ,it just crashes
[06:05] <DocUb> GnuKemist, good idea
[06:05] <shawnh>  where are ya from
[06:05] <DocUb> brb then
[06:05] <shawnh> (B)
[06:06] <DocUb> GnuKemist, ty for your time an dhelp
[06:06] <GnuKemist> DocUb, it worked for my wireless problem  ;)
[06:06] <Phoenix_Zero> either it freezes (except for mouse)
[06:06] <shawnh> hey  I think I am going  out  tinight
[06:06] <Phoenix_Zero> or I get the white lines
[06:06] <DocUb> VERY much appreciated
[06:06] <shawnh>  tin man had no heart eh
[06:06] <GnuKemist> DocUb, it was my pleasure and I wish we could have solved your issue
[06:06] <DocUb> hehe, I hope it works ;)
[06:06] <Don2> GnuKemist, okay it configured it. Now what?
[06:06] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:06] <shawnh> ;)
[06:06] <GnuKemist> Don2, try the net buddy
[06:06] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:06] <Don2> "Wireless connection -- The interface eth1 is active"
[06:06] <Don2> I tried a ping and it did nothing >_>
[06:06] <shawnh> where are the females  in here
[06:07] <Don2> the network icon in the top right says it's still using 'lo'
[06:07] <shawnh> lo
[06:07] <dcraven> shawnh, good luck with that.
[06:07] <shawnh> hahha
[06:07] <GnuKemist> Don2, does iwconfig eth1 show the right info?
[06:07] <shawnh>  good luck eh
[06:07] <shawnh>  thanks alot
[06:07] <shawnh>  crave
[06:07] <shawnh>  wee yoo from
[06:07] <Don2> GnuKemist, the info is the same as it was
[06:07] <shawnh> eggy
[06:07] <GnuKemist> Don2, and does ifconfig eth1 show a valid IP?
[06:07] <shawnh>  welcome
[06:07] <Don2> Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00:00
[06:08] <shawnh> bylaw
[06:08] <dcraven> Am I in the right channel?
[06:08] <GnuKemist> hehe
[06:08] <shawnh> am I in the right channel
[06:08] <Don2> I dont see any IP under ifconfig
[06:08] <GnuKemist> Don2, so we don't have a valid IP and we're back to zero
[06:08] <Phoenix_Zero> allright, well if someone can solve my issue, which is once again
[06:08] <Phoenix_Zero> right now I have the nvidia driver installed but whenever I boot it wont go into x fully ,it just crashes
[06:08] <GnuKemist> Don2, same prob I had
[06:08] <Phoenix_Zero> Id appreciate it
[06:08] <Don2> Excellent
[06:09] <Phoenix_Zero> otherwise Im going to just hang around
[06:09] <Phoenix_Zero> thanks
[06:09] <shawnh> thankyou
[06:09] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, did you change your xorg.conf?
[06:09] <dr_willis> Phoenix_Zero,  check the X logs  yet? you get the nvidia logo?
[06:09] <GnuKemist> Don2, don't give up
[06:09] <Don2> I'm not
[06:09] <shawnh> don;t quit your day job
[06:09] <GnuKemist> Don2, good
[06:10] <SiRrUs> gee Breezy seems ok so far
[06:10] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: yes I did, I added the horizSync and VertRefresh as they were autodetected incorrectly
[06:10] <Don2> holy crap.
[06:10] <Don2> You know what it was?
[06:10] <Don2> Guess ;)
[06:10] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, but did you change the driver from nv to nvidia?
[06:10] <GnuKemist> Don2, ???
[06:10] <Phoenix_Zero> dr_willis: I get the nvidia logo SOMETIMES but then it just freezes up at the logon screen, soemtimes with the boxes all non existence
[06:10] <Don2> GnuKemist, the WLAN button on the machine was set to off. :\
[06:10] <dr_willis> Phoenix_Zero,  sometimes.. Ugh. :P
[06:10] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, and add the glx module comment
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:11] <GnuKemist> Don2, ;)
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> i hate that
[06:11] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: I ran nvidia-glx-config enable which does that
[06:11] <Don2> Thanks for all of the help GnuKemist. :)
[06:11] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: glx module comment?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> happens to many people
[06:11] <GnuKemist> Don2, my pleasure
[06:11] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, try lowering your DefaultDepth if you haven't don that yet.
[06:11] <Phoenix_Zero> dcraven: default depth is bit depth yes?
[06:11] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, there's a module that needs to be uncommented(sp) in xorg.conf
[06:12] <dcraven> Phoenix_Zero, yeah.. Look for the string "DefaultDepth" in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. A value of 16 is typically safe. I think it's 24 by default.
[06:12] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:12] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: really now? ok I will definitely try that once Im done reinstalling (dont know how to do a console only boot with LILO installed (grub wont install) and it boots to x by default)
[06:13] <Phoenix_Zero> ahh...thank you as well dcraven
[06:13] <Phoenix_Zero> I will try both of those once this install is finished
[06:13] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, check the readme file that accompanies the driver for the info
[06:13] <dcraven> Okay I'm outta here for the night. Cheers fellas.
[06:13] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: what is the module to uncomment and where is it in the xorg.config please?
[06:13] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, or better yet, go to ubuntuguide.org
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> aloha people, catch you on the flip side
[06:15] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: This site seems to assume Im using gnome, but Im using kubuntu
[06:15] <Phoenix_Zero> so some of the commands dont make sense to me...
[06:16] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, lemme find it for you
[06:16] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, my desktop has nvidia card
[06:16] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: thank you very much
[06:16] <Phoenix_Zero> card in question is a 4200 ti if it matters
[06:16] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, by the way, do you have nvidia in /etc/modules
[06:17] <Phoenix_Zero> well its worked before with an older nvidia card
[06:17] <Phoenix_Zero> this old TNT RAGE
[06:17] <Phoenix_Zero> *TNT
[06:17] <lucas> hello
[06:17] <Phoenix_Zero> worked just fine
[06:18] <Phoenix_Zero> which is really why Im confused more tha nanything else
[06:18] <elcu> noob question: Anyone use gdesklets?  I've installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data but when I run it from the Applications menu, nothing happens.  The gdesklets application in the window list disappears after a while.
[06:19] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, Load "glx"
[06:19] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, needs to be uncommented
[06:19] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:19] <smouche> elcu, it's been a while since I tried gdesklets, but try this:
[06:19] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, and driver from nv to nvidia
[06:19] <GnuKemist> modprobe nvidia
[06:20] <Azerus> hi
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> I already modprobed nvidia
[06:20] <smouche> run from applications -- you won't notice it do anything, but it's running
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> Ill do the glx thing though
[06:20] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, k
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> youre really helpful kemist
[06:20] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, then kill KDE and restart
[06:20] <|cosmo|> hi all
[06:20] <|cosmo|> i have a problem with my sound here
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> righto
[06:20] <smouche> then I think you just drag any of the gdesklet displays to the desktop and release
[06:20] <|cosmo|> anyone can help me ?
[06:20] <Phoenix_Zero> these guys from another irc serv basically just mocked me...
[06:21] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, how so?
[06:21] <elcu> smouche: gdesklets displays?
[06:21] <smouche> and the display should start there...
[06:21] <smouche> elcu, you have to find the folder(s) where the gdesklets displays and sensors were installed
[06:22] <elcu> smouche: Ah, OK.  I'll try that.  Thanks.
[06:22] <GnuKemist> well folks... this is it for me...  see you all later
[06:22] <erich> Is there a way to use sun java 1.5 on hoary
[06:22] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist: well then I was brand new to linux. So I'd ask something like "can someone please tell me how to copy a file to another location? I'm having some trouble, thanks!" and Id get "oh god...(then he'd put a link) And how do I know this? I BOTHERED TO LOOK. God dammit. Lazy idiot"
[06:22] <Phoenix_Zero> tired kemist?
[06:22] <smouche> elcu, sorry, I don't remember the exact procedure -- I found them more trouble than they were worth, but they're fun...
[06:22] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, long day here
[06:22] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, good luck to you
[06:23] <killapop> hi. im having trouble getting the wifi to work on my acer laptop running ubuntu. im quite a newbie. any help will be appreciated. thanks
[06:23] <yfir> erich: there is no java1.5 package as far as I know, but you could dl something from Sun probably
[06:23] <Phoenix_Zero> kemist: now leaving are ye?
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, and about the mocking, we were all noobs once
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, I still am
[06:23] <elcu> smouche: do they end in .display?
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, yup... leaving
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> aw crud
[06:24] <GnuKemist> killapop, out of curiosity, which wifi card?
[06:24] <erich> yfir: I know how to use java-package, its just that jdk 1.5 recently started crashing. and according to bugzilla/wiki a couple of people are seeing that
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> well. goodnight man
[06:24] <RustyShackleford> How do I determine my Horisync and VertRefresh?  I'm using a Dell Laptop and I can find it anywhere.
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> hope your day tommorow is better ^_^
[06:24] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, same to you buddy
[06:24] <killapop> GnuKemist: its a built in
[06:24] <Phoenix_Zero> Rusty: do you know the model number? I could help you look
[06:24] <don_> Where are fonts stored?
[06:24] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, same to you
[06:25] <GnuKemist> killapop, but do you know which?
[06:25] <don_> And ubuntu can read ttf fonts right?
[06:25] <GnuKemist> killapop, believe me, you'll need to know that  ;)
[06:25] <killapop> GnuKemist: hmmm :D oops. lemme check
[06:26] <yfir> don_: yes
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> rusty?...
[06:26] <GnuKemist> killapop, if you have a ipw2200 check the forums for my post (search ipw2200 woes)
[06:26] <don_> Do you happen to know where I would store these fonts?
[06:26] <GnuKemist> killapop, you caught me on my way out
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> GnuKemist, before yo leave, what forum is this?
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> of which you speak?
[06:26] <elcu> smouche: hmmm, gdesklets doesn't seem to be listed in the system monitor.
[06:26] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, ubuntuforums.org
[06:26] <Phoenix_Zero> thanks! ^_^
[06:27] <helio7> bash question: If I want to import a bunch of (digital image) files that are in a few subfolders but I want them all to be copied into one folder how can I 'word' that in bash terms?
[06:27] <GnuKemist> Phoenix_Zero, it even has a pic of me... hehehe
[06:27] <killapop> GnuKemist: i wont hold you up good sir
[06:27] <Phoenix_Zero> wowies
[06:27] <smouche> elcu -- sorry, I really don't remember the procedure well -- but this looks like a good page to check:
[06:27] <smouche> http://gdesklets.free.fr/board/
[06:27] <GnuKemist> killapop, so I will bid you farewell good sir
[06:27] <RustyShackleford> Model number: PP07L
[06:27] <elcu> smouche: No worries.  Thanks anyway.
[06:28] <killapop> GnuKemist: im sure i'll get some help in this fine channel.
[06:28] <Phoenix_Zero> Rusty: any other model name?
[06:29] <RustyShackleford> Dell Inspirion 1100
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> there we go ^_^
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> one second
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> got it!
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> horizontal is 31.5-48.5
[06:29] <fazer> How do I run in a .rpm in Ubuntu?
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> vertical is 59-75
[06:29] <RustyShackleford> Where did you find it?
[06:29] <Phoenix_Zero> fazer Im not sure you can, thats redhat
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> I googled  ' "Dell Inspiron 1100" vertical sync"
[06:30] <yfir> don_: the standard place for fonts is /usr/share/fonts/  (for all users) or just ~/.fonts/ for personal use
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> I think it was just the PP07L versus Dell Inspiron 1100 that threw you off
[06:30] <Phoenix_Zero> hope that works!
[06:31] <fazer> bah
[06:31] <elcu> fazer: you need to alien it to convert it to a .deb file.  Then run dpkg --install
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> Im reinstalling for the 8th time tonight :P
[06:31] <yfir> don_: /usr/local/share/fonts/ is another place for fonts you add yourself
[06:31] <fazer> elcu, alien? is it installed with hoary or do I have to apt-get it?
[06:31] <RustyShackleford> Thanks
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> elcu: didnt know that was an option elcu, that helps me out too..
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> no problem rusty
[06:31] <Phoenix_Zero> Im fairly new, so I help however  Ican
[06:31] <elcu> fazer: pretty sure it's installed by default.  check synaptic just in case.
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> geez Im sick of reinstalling everything..
[06:32] <fazer> hmm on
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> over and over
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> SO I CAN GET 3D working!!
[06:32] <Phoenix_Zero> Amaranth, isnt that a grain of some sort?
[06:32] <Amaranth> Phoenix_Zero: What?
[06:33] <Phoenix_Zero> Amaranth is a grain is it not?
[06:33] <Phoenix_Zero> some kind of aztec or incan thing?
[06:33] <Amaranth> Oh, my nick.
[06:33] <Amaranth> That's one of the meanings, yeah.
[06:33] <Amaranth> One I didn't know about when I picked it. :)
[06:33] <elcu> Amaranth: Isn't that from Xenogears?
[06:34] <elcu> Your nick, that is.
[06:34] <Amaranth> It's also a shade of blue, a mythical flower that never wilts, and a combination of two hindi words that say something about a god, iirc.
[06:34] <Amaranth> elcu: No clue.
[06:34] <Phoenix_Zero> wow, thats quite a diverse name you have there
[06:34] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:36] <fazer> elcu, , thanks!
[06:36] <elcu> fazer: it worked?  now worries.
[06:36] <kingsley> Unless I'm mistaken, I'm in the unenviable position of owning a dying printer, which means I'll need to a.) find a new one that's for sale and supported by gimp-print and ghostscript, and b.) pay for the new one and c.) upgrade gimp-print and ghostscript to versions that support it.
[06:37] <elcu> s/now/no :)
[06:37] <kingsley> Since inkjet printers seem to last about two years, I find myself wondering if there's a better way...
[06:38] <[Xaero] > my next printer is going to be a lazer
[06:38] <[Xaero] > larger upfront cost, cheaper in the longrun
[06:39] <yfir> [Xaero] : I made essentially the same choice about two years ago and am glad I did
[06:40] <kingsley> [Xaero] : Have you checked how well color laser printers are supported by gimp-print and ghostscript?
[06:40] <Phoenix_Zero> kingsley: LASER!! $200 and one toner can last over a year
[06:40] <Phoenix_Zero> for b&w that is
[06:40] <[Xaero] > kingsley, no I haven't
[06:40] <tga> laser rules unless you really need color
[06:40] <tga> even for colour you can go with a $500 laser
[06:41] <[Xaero] > yfir: did you buy new or used?
[06:42] <kingsley> Phoenix_Zero: Do you happen to know if laster printers last longer than ink jets ( ~2 years)?
[06:42] <MMond> A more random question . . . lots of my friends . . . who used Linux (Not Ubuntu) laugh at me for using Ubuntu, and tell me to go get a "real distro" . . . what is it exactly, that is so very different from most of the other Linux distros?
[06:44] <dr_willis> ask them to define 'real'
[06:44] <yfir> MMond: it's a full blown bleeding edge Debian. what more do your friends want?
[06:44] <dr_willis> tell them to get a 'real' oponion. :P
[06:45] <yfir> MMond: they are probably derisive simply because Ubuntu is aimed at home users, not l33t H4x0Rz
[06:45] <MMond> Hold on a sec, one of my friends was helping me solve a problem.. and ended up saying that, I'll paste what he said that on
[06:45] <dr_willis> i dont really find it that aimed at a home user. :P  its just a very polished over all disrto. that is good for a home user. :P
[06:45] <fazer> Bw
[06:45] <fazer> *btw
[06:45] <fazer> if I install something from that .deb
[06:45] <kingsley> Do laser printers last longer than ink jets?
[06:45] <fazer> later on, can I delete that .deb ?
[06:46] <dr_willis> kingsley,  i got a HP laserjet6l thats over 9 yrs old.
[06:46] <fazer> Do I need that .deb after wards?
[06:46] <dr_willis> kingsley,  so i would say yes. :P
[06:46] <dr_willis> kingsley,  a GOOD one will at least.
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> well gnukemist's suggestion isnt working
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> I suppose Ill just talk to him tommorow, as Ive already spent close to three hours on this and Im tired...
[06:46] <Phoenix_Zero> well
[06:47] <Phoenix_Zero> goodnight all!
[06:47] <Phoenix_Zero> and thank you all for your help
[06:47] <fazer> Hello?
[06:47] <dr_willis> Hello fazer
[06:47] <fazer> dr_willis, hi =)
[06:47] <kingsley> dr_willis: Does HP laserjet6l print in color?
[06:47] <fazer> dr_willis, I had a qustion, can I later on delete a .deb after its used?
[06:47] <fazer> dr_willis, but what if I want to delete what i have just installed?
[06:48] <yfir> fazer: you may delete the .deb file after it's been installed, yes. if you want to uninstall it though, you must use apt or synaptic or whatever
[06:48] <cc> hi, any gcc4+qemu users around?
[06:48] <dr_willis> kingsley,  No. :P
[06:48] <fazer> yfir, aah okay, thanks.
[06:48] <kanuha> anyone get the kalendar to work in superkaramba?
[06:49] <fazer> yfir, how about when I compile something from souce and later on deleted the folder ?
[06:49] <dr_willis> kingsley,  9 yrs ago. they dident have color lasers taht a normal person could afford.. heck any color printer was high doller.
[06:49] <kanuha> I've gone throught the faqs and the font still does not show.
[06:49] <dr_willis> fazer,  once its installed the source/deb isent needed.
[06:49] <[Xaero] > Kingsley: most HP and Xerox lazerprinters will hold up
[06:49] <fazer> dr_willis, how about if I need to remove an application that was compiled from source/deb?
[06:49] <dr_willis> fazer,  THEN you are on your own. :P
[06:50] <dr_willis> compiled from source - a 'make uninstall' MAY remove it.. it may not..
[06:50] <dr_willis> deb - use the package manager tools
[06:50] <fazer> dr_willis, woah!
[06:50] <fazer> dr_willis, I deleted some .debs that I used earlire, you are saying I can no longer remove them?
[06:50] <fazer> (the applications that were used)
[06:51] <dr_willis> fazer,  No...
[06:51] <yfir> fazer: no, that's not what he's saying
[06:51] <MMond> Okay . . . sorry, but can't exactly point out where and when he said . . . but it was about 2 weeks ago or so . . . when he was trying to help me solve my acpi problems . . . I can probably find it if I try a little bit hard, but . . . this is Friday
[06:51] <fazer> oh...
[06:51] <fazer> you mean only for source?
[06:51] <dr_willis> for .debs you want to use the package manager.. YOU lumped "source with .debs" - wich are 2 vastly different things. :P
[06:51] <kingsley> [Xaero] : Ah...hA! I wonder if I can find an HP or Xerox color laser printer that's supported by gimp-print and ghostscript...
[06:51] <dr_willis> kingsley,  check the cups.org site for how well they support stuff.
[06:51] <[Xaero] > Kingsley: Thats what google is for!
[06:52] <fazer> dr_willis, Ah, sorry.  Okay, so I compiled ndiswrapper from source.  Later on, I deleted the source (the folder) will that do anything to ndiswrapper?
[06:53] <dr_willis> fazer,  nope
[06:53] <yfir> MMond: Ubuntu is polished, and that means that many things are set up by the distributor. perhaps that is what your friends don't like about it
[06:53] <dr_willis> shouldent at least.
[06:53] <kingsley> dr_willis: Do you use cups?
[06:53] <elcu> fazer: you won't be able to uninstall it though because you have deleted the makefile.
[06:53] <dr_willis> kingsley,  mosts all disrtos use cups as their main printing system.
[06:54] <fazer> elcu, ah, nuts
[06:54] <fazer> damn
[06:54] <fazer> so I shouldn't have extracted the ndiswrapper source onto my desktop =/
[06:54] <elcu> fazer: which is why you should gor for debs. :)
[06:54] <dr_willis> not sure how cups relates to gimp-print and ghostscript.. but I think they all inter-connect some how in  some cases.
[06:54] <fazer> elcu, I had no choice for ndiswrapper thouhg.
[06:55] <[Xaero] > I'm having some problems with my apt-get...or I'm missing something
[06:55] <elcu> fazer: you could try d'loading the source again to the same place and do an install/uninstall.
[06:56] <chaitatp> [Xaero] : what's that
[06:57] <[Xaero] > I've gone though and edited the sources.list, but when I do 'sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla'
[06:57] <[Xaero] > i end up getting 'E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla'
[06:57] <chaitatp> [Xaero] : don't you try 'sudo apt-get update'?
[06:57] <beggar> [Xaero] , #sudo apt-get update"
[06:57] <beggar> oh..ok
[06:58] <beggar> lol
[06:58] <chaitatp> beggar: ^&^ ... i love you
[06:58] <[Xaero] > yeah, ive updated
[06:58] <kingsley> [Xaero] : Does "apt-cache search man" work?
[06:58] <beggar> love you too
[06:59] <[Xaero] > no results
[06:59] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  can u e-mail me your '/etc/apt/sources.list'?
[06:59] <kanuha> anyone know how to get quake3 to work with sound?
[06:59] <[Xaero] > yeah, sure
[06:59] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  chaitatp@gmail.com
[07:00] <kingsley> [Xaero] : If so, and if sources.list points to a flashplayer-mozilla package, "apt-cache search flashplayer-mozilla" should report it. Otherwise, either sources.list doesn't point to the package or you haven't done "apt-get update".
[07:00] <yfir> kanuha: try turning off esd
[07:00] <kanuha> how do I do that?
[07:01] <yfir> kanuha: type 'ps aux | grep esd' and then kill anything listed
[07:01] <kanuha> I tried esdctl stop
[07:01] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: sent
[07:02] <chaitatp> yfir: sort of sound problem in ubuntu?
[07:02] <chaitatp> yfir: like in debian?
[07:02] <[Xaero] > I was have problems with "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main"
[07:02] <chaitatp> yfir: that, i think, only one process can own the speacker
[07:02] <chaitatp> [Xaero] : got it
[07:02] <[Xaero] > got errors connecting to any of those on that domain
[07:02] <yfir> chaitatp: yes, exactly
[07:03] <kanuha> ok, this is what I get ,  eddie    18180  0.0  0.0   2904   712 pts/2    R+   01:02   0:00 grep esd
[07:03] <kanuha> how do I kill it
[07:03] <RustyShacklefor1> Apparently, I can't edit a file because i'm not the owner.  How do I get to be the owner?
[07:04] <tga> RustyShacklefor1: what are you trying to edit?
[07:04] <RustyShacklefor1> xorg.conf
[07:04] <Dreamer3_> 0 updates for hoary still
[07:04] <Dreamer3_> is nothing broken? :)
[07:04] <tga> RustyShacklefor1: you have to be root. `sudo su` or `sudo $EDITOR xorg.conf`
[07:04] <yfir> kanuha: try again. open a terminal, type 'ps aux | grep esd' then post the result in #flood
[07:04] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  your file is fine
[07:04] <Dreamer3_> tga: or sudo -s ;-)
[07:04] <yfir> you are looking for the process number for esd
[07:05] <[Xaero] > Chaitatp: thats good
[07:05] <Dreamer3_> yfir: how not killall esd?
[07:05] <yfir> Dreamer3_: yes, but i'm trying to teach him how to find and kill processes :)
[07:05] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  try mine.  i have sent it you you via e-mail
[07:05] <senator32> how do i make my local user have equivilant access to the root user, aka so i can make sb4k work
[07:06] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: got it
[07:06] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  'apt-get update' again with that file
[07:06] <kanuha> done
[07:06] <Agrajag> senator32: use sudo
[07:06] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  and hope for the good thing to come :D
[07:06] <senator32> how
[07:06] <Dreamer3_> yfir: hmmmm, ok :)  if you think that's best ;-)
[07:06] <Agrajag> senator32: sudo <command>
[07:06] <senator32> will that work for applications like samba4k
[07:06] <Agrajag> I have no idea what that is
[07:07] <senator32> its a samba client that mounts windows shares
[07:07] <kanuha> yfir, I posted it in #flood
[07:07] <Agrajag> ok, why would it not work?
[07:07] <senator32> the mount always says i have insefficiant priviliages to mount
[07:07] <yfir> kanuha: yes, same as before. not sure i understand the output though
[07:07] <senator32> it works in root though
[07:08] <kanuha> let me paste it again
[07:08] <rykel> hi all, i am from singapore, and i simply love ubuntu!   =)
[07:08] <yfir> kanuha: haha, looks like esd isnt' even running
[07:08] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: as soon as I get my permissions straitened out. im so used to windows where it doesnt really matter
[07:08] <farruinn> has anyone burned an i386 install cd from os x?
[07:09] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  and that's why there are full of virus in win32 :D
[07:09] <yfir> kanuha: sorry, doesn't help you play quake. but often sound problems are due to esd.
[07:09] <kanuha> yfir, I also tried the other idea in the faq, quake3 +set s_initsound 0
[07:09] <kanuha> still did not work
[07:10] <yfir> kanuha: ok. sorry, i don't know anything about playing quake itself. you''ll have to ask someone else about that
[07:10] <kanuha> yfir, let me post the error I get about sound when I start Quake3 and see if that helps.
[07:11] <yfir> kanuha: ok, worth a shot
[07:11] <farruinn> I think it should be possible to burn an i386 .iso from os x, but firestarter fx isn't working with it.
[07:12] <kanuha> yfir, it is in #flood
[07:12] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: you seem to have a few more sources than I do
[07:13] <elcu> Any Zsnes users?  I'm having poor performance when I use an OGL video mode.  The terminal says that Zsnes is forcing 16bpp from my default of 32.  Any way of fixing this?
[07:13] <farruinn> heh, only 1/10 the number of ppc seeders than i386, that's amusing
[07:13] <chaitatp> [Xaero] : can you update and install those s/w with mine?
[07:14] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: I updated, still not found
[07:15] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  can you install other s/w?
[07:15] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: I was earlier
[07:15] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  like cvs, i mean
[07:16] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: java, cd burner, been mostly trying stuff of the quick guide
[07:16] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  you mean you can install any s/w but flashsomethingmozilla?
[07:16] <yfir> kanuha: not sure. try making sure you are part of the 'audio' group. looks like quake is running into permission problems
[07:16] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: there are also a few others I cant find
[07:16] <yfir> kanuha: not sure exactly what's happening though
[07:16] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/Release  Unable to find expected entry
[07:17] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  umm
[07:17] <yfir> kanuha: but i guess, if you have other sounds you already are audio group...
[07:17] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[07:17] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[07:17] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  sudo apt-get update
[07:18] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  for that ftp.nerim.net
[07:19] <kanuha> yfir, I googled on the error that I got and I am reading up on a fix action. Hope it works, Thanks for your help.
[07:19] <yfir> kanuha: or lack of help :) hope you figure it out
[07:20] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: I had tried that before, and did it again, now I am getting:
[07:20] <[Xaero] > W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:20] <chaitatp> [Xaero]  sorry, i dunno T_T
[07:21] <[Xaero] > chaitatp: thanks anyway
[07:24] <don_> For some reason my mouse on my laptop stays on (even if the switch is off) after the first power off then power on of the mouse switch
[07:26] <elcu> anyone create pdf documents a lot?  i'm looking for a way to create compact pdf files.  i've tried scribus, but found it a little fiddly.  is using latex the only other alternative?
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[07:29] <jirwin> hello
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> Do any of you use the Open Office 2.0 beta?
[07:29] <evilmegaman> does anyone use the fglrx drivers?
[07:29] <fazer> How do yu set the default browser?
[07:29] <fazer> I just love Opera
[07:29] <jirwin> system preferences
[07:29] <elcu> evilmegaman: i do.  what's the problem?
[07:30] <evilmegaman> I need an example. Because I am trying to setup my xorg.conf
[07:30] <jirwin> anyone have any idea why when I try to install hoary, it hangs on configuring apt?
[07:30] <elcu> I'm on Warty so I'm using XFree, but I could still show you mine.  They're basically the same.
[07:31] <kingsley> Why would one color stop printing, even after trying two new ink cartridges?
[07:31] <evilmegaman> so if you can, elcu, can you paste your graphics card driver part here?
[07:31] <duken> jirwin: cannot make bootstraps ?
[07:31] <thechitowncubs> Do I need to uninstall open office 1.1.3 before installing 2
[07:31] <evilmegaman> it's ok elcu :) that will work
[07:31] <kingsley> Why would one color stop printing, even after trying two new ink cartridges?
[07:31] <jirwin> duken: i am not sure
[07:31] <elcu> Section "Device"
[07:31] <elcu>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 (RV350 AP)"
[07:31] <elcu>         Driver          "fglrx"
[07:31] <elcu>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[07:31] <elcu> EndSection
[07:31] <evilmegaman> Thanks :)
[07:32] <jirwin> it formats the drive, puts the base system on, and hangs when it trys to configure apt
[07:32] <jirwin> at the exact same spot
[07:32] <evilmegaman> hmm exactly the same as mine. But what if I want to run windows games will that setup work?
[07:32] <evilmegaman> (with cedega)
[07:32] <duken> jirwin: see the log on console 3 ( alt + F3)
[07:32] <jirwin> during the install?
[07:33] <vincent> Hi all :)
[07:33] <elcu> I haven't tried Cedega.  Are games not running?
[07:33] <vincent> Anybody get gdesklets working properly in Hoary?
[07:33] <evilmegaman> I have no clue. I guess I might as well try to play one :)
[07:34] <vincent> I can't get it to do anything, either from synaptic or compiled from source;
[07:34] <vincent> i tell it to load a desklet (doesn't matter which one) and it does nothing
[07:34] <vincent> according to the output in the terminal, it's doing SOMETHING, but it just hangs
[07:34] <duken> jirwin: yes
[07:35] <vincent> (installed the latest available to the Universe and the latest on gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org)
[07:35] <jirwin> one sec
[07:35] <Burgundavia> vincent, I think gdesklets is borked in hoary. I think there was an upstream change that broke backwards compatibility
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> gdesklets works
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> im using it now
[07:36] <vincent> Burgundavia: Shite.  Guess I have to wait for an update.
[07:36] <vincent> thechitowncubs: Oh.
[07:36] <vincent> thechitowncubs: How'd you get it working?
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> sudo apt-get install gdesklets gdesklets-data
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> some displays don't work, most do
[07:37] <Burgundavia> some work and some don't, that is the gist of what I said
[07:37] <vincent> thechitowncubs: Yeah, I tried that, and it didn't work, no matter the desklet I tried; so I compiled from source, and it still no worky
[07:37] <elcu> thechitowncubs: noob question: how do you actually use them?  i tried running it from the applications menu, but it just seems to quit.
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> "gdesklets &"
[07:38] <vincent> i'll try it
[07:39] <nickrud> has desklets ever worked for anyone?
[07:39] <vincent> Still nothing.  What does the "&" mean?
[07:39] <ironwolf> anyone having problems copying large files on an external firewire drive? linux1394 says to set serialize_io=0, and I've done that, same results.
[07:39] <Burgundavia> vincent, means run in the background
[07:40] <vincent> Burgundavia: Oh.  Thanks.  Still learning commands.
[07:40] <Burgundavia> vincent, np
[07:40] <Burgundavia> vincent, very useful
[07:40] <vincent> Burgundavia: So, this probably means I'll have to wait for an update, ne?
[07:40] <thechitowncubs> it should work
[07:40] <thechitowncubs> are you using hoary?
[07:40] <vincent> Yep.
[07:41] <Burgundavia> vincent, there are going to be no updates for hoary except security
[07:41] <senator32> i cant seem to ever log into my root acount, i made the password the in install, but when i goto log in i do the username as root and the password as the root password i set and i still cant log in
[07:41] <vincent> According to the forums, people had gdesklets working in Warty and upgraded to Hoary and it broke
[07:41] <linux_galore> looks like VIA has added another graphics card with 3D support in the driver for Linux
[07:41] <ironwolf> senator32: sudo
[07:41] <Burgundavia> senator32, the passwod you made in the install is your username, unless ou choose custom install
[07:41] <vincent> thechitowncubs: And after some searching, couldn't find if anybody got it to work in Hoary
[07:42] <vincent> thechitowncubs: so I figured I'd ask in here.
[07:42] <senator32> yea but sudo doesn't help me run programs that need root permissions aka samba4k
[07:42] <nickrud> senator: sudo passwd
[07:42] <nickrud> the login as root
[07:42] <senator32> i cant
[07:42] <senator32> username for root in this distro is just root not /root correct
[07:43] <vincent> Burgundavia: Yeah, I figured as much--I should've specified, upgrades to Breezy
[07:43] <smouche> opening a root terminal wouldn't do it?
[07:43] <vincent> Burgundavia: thanks again though.  Catch you later
[07:43] <chaitatp> how can i add more fonts into xchat 2.4.1
[07:43] <linux_galore> thought samba4k was a konqueror add on
[07:43] <senator32> naw
[07:43] <vincent> thechitowncubs: thanks for your help, I'll try some more desklets, but prolly have to wait for an upgrade
[07:43] <senator32> yes it is but it wants to mount
[07:43] <vincent> g'bye all :)
[07:43] <thechitowncubs> vincent: no problem
[07:43] <thechitowncubs> later
[07:43] <jirwin> senator32, sudo should work fine for root access
[07:44] <senator32> k ill try again
[07:44] <senator32> i just wanted to log in as root
[07:44] <holycow> rofl!!!!!
[07:44] <nickrud> senator: if all you want is a root shell, try sudo -s
[07:45] <holycow> i bought an amd64 and asus a8v mobo .... so i'm booting it up, and the speakers go 'no keyboard detected'
[07:45] <senator32> k
[07:45] <senator32> thx
[07:45] <linux_galore> senator32: install swat then just go sudo swat
[07:45] <holycow> hahaha, they put voice instructions in the bios!!!!
[07:45] <holycow> wow
[07:45] <jirwin> holycow, that is crazy
[07:45] <saik0> haha what
[07:45] <linux_galore> swat = makes samba easy
[07:46] <verden01> holycow: ihave an abit av8 m/b
[07:46] <holycow> do they do the same?
[07:47] <verden01> no kubuntu installed perfectly for me on my AMD64
[07:47] <linux_galore> holycow: hmm av8 works in Linux I installed suse 9.2 on one recently.....try using a PS2 keyboard
[07:47] <runt> does anyone know how to get X.org to change resolutions when the config file says it should be able to?
[07:47] <chaitatp> thanks
[07:48] <neighborlee> runt, thats under: system > prefs > screen resolution
[07:48] <chaitatp> just tell me to use 'slash charset'
[07:48] <jirwin> duke|ib, you around?
[07:48] <runt> tried that, only lets me choose 640x480 at 60hz
[07:48] <DR_K13> hey runt
[07:48] <chaitatp> anyway i still dunno how to add more font to xchat
[07:48] <runt> hi DR_K13
[07:48] <jirwin> runt...I had the same problem
[07:48] <holycow> linux_galore, yeah it does, i'm using a ps2 kb through a kvm switch right now infact ... not this box
[07:49] <jirwin> make sure that your xorg.conf has your monitor scan rates in there
[07:49] <neighborlee> runt, gotta be sure your monitor was discovered properly ...and make double sure xorg.conf has all the resoltions you want under the xbit you are using
[07:49] <neighborlee> yup
[07:49] <nickrud> runt, just what model is your monitor?
[07:49] <geneo93> i have kvm here and works great
[07:50] <runt> samsung 955df
[07:50] <linux_galore> runt: need to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file add the resolution you need that matches your "defaultColorDepth"
[07:50] <runt> it doesn't have the horizontal and vertical refresh rates in it
[07:50] <jirwin> runt, that is your problem
[07:50] <jirwin> look them up, and put them in there
[07:50] <Cred> Hello. Does someone have an idea why Firefox crashes when it asks if I want to permit SSL certificate installation?
[07:50] <runt> well, i ran xorgconfig before and when i put those in, xorg wouldn't work
[07:51] <runt> i have them in front of me (actually, i memorized them), but i don't remember the syntax to add them
[07:51] <linux_galore> runt: editing the xorg.conf  file is easy its plain text
[07:51] <DR_K13> lol
[07:51] <runt> i know, i have it open
[07:51] <nickrud> so do a google on samsung 955df HorzSync, you'll probably find a matcing config file
[07:51] <linux_galore> runt: look for this first "DefaultColorDepth"
[07:52] <jirwin> I believe it is "HorizSync, and VertRefresh"
[07:52] <runt> DefaultColorDepth is at 24, right where i want it
[07:52] <linux_galore> runt: read the number
[07:52] <nickrud> jirwin: thanks
[07:52] <linux_galore> runt: in my case its "24"  as in DefaultColorDepth 24
[07:53] <jirwin> under Section "Monitor"
[07:53] <runt> that is what mine says too, and under the config for resolutions for that color depth, it lists the one i want ot use, i just can't choose it :(
[07:53] <linux_galore> runt: now I look for this section
[07:53] <linux_galore> Subsection "Display"
[07:53] <linux_galore>         Depth 24
[07:53] <linux_galore>         Virtual 1280 1024
[07:53] <linux_galore>     EndSubsection
[07:53] <linux_galore> EndSection
[07:53] <linux_galore> runt: as you can see i only have one setting in there
[07:53] <runt> don't have the virtual part
[07:54] <linux_galore> runt: thats because its all I have
[07:54] <jirwin> runt, did you put in the refresh rates?
[07:54] <runt> just did now
[07:54] <runt> be right back, gonna exit x and try again
[07:54] <jirwin> now log out of gnome and press ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:55] <jirwin> oops
[07:55] <linux_galore> runt: ignore virtual because Im on a weird xf86 setup but the thing will be similar
[07:55] <DR_K13> runt will be back
[07:56] <linux_galore> <-- is on CCuX Linux right now
[07:57] <runt> ok, it works now.  how do i enable gdm again though?  i've never used it before and i don't wanna deal with having to type startx all the time in an "easy" linux distro
[07:57] <jirwin> lol
[07:57] <hksdu> Does anybody know that if the current nvidia linux driver supports dual view or multi-monitors?  how do I configure? does it have utility for it?
[07:57] <nickrud> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:57] <runt> ok, thanks again
[07:57] <jirwin> runt, to restart x, you can log out of gnome and press ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:58] <jirwin> bet he didn't see that one again...heh
[07:58] <nickrud> too slow.....
[07:58] <jirwin> i guess to
[07:58] <jirwin> so*
[07:58] <jirwin> i am tired thow
[07:58] <jirwin> though*
[07:58] <jirwin> see
[07:58] <jirwin> night.
[07:58] <nickrud> it's late here, just passing through ...
[07:59] <fazer> hmm, why did my hard drive just shut off
[07:59] <fazer> woops, there it goes again.
[08:01] <hksdu> Does anybody know that if the current nvidia linux driver supports dual view or multi-monitors? how do I configure? does it have utility for it?
[08:02] <evilmegaman> Hi, why doesn't sound work in any of my games but it does in gnome and other programs?
[08:02] <eEye> killall esd
[08:02] <geneo93> read the doc at nvidia site
[08:02] <evilmegaman> eEye is that directed at me?
[08:02] <eEye> yeah
[08:02] <evilmegaman> oh
[08:03] <evilmegaman> What will that do exactly?
[08:03] <eEye> Turn off the sound server of gnome
[08:03] <Burgundavia> evilmegaman, that kills the sound server, as the games don't know it is there and try to access /dev/dsp directly
[08:03] <Burgundavia> the sound server allows, say flash and totem to both play sounds at the same time
[08:03] <evilmegaman> oh ok :) then how do I turn it back on?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> esd &
[08:04] <evilmegaman> ok thanks :)
[08:04] <hksdu> geneo93: thanks
[08:04] <Burgundavia> evilmegaman, np
[08:04] <evilmegaman> thanks that worked :)
[08:05] <eEye> anyone got work xchat-systray&
[08:05] <geneo93> whats the default media player for kde system sounds
[08:06] <nickrud> kde sounds -> arts
[08:06] <fazer> anyone here a thinkpad 600e user?
[08:07] <geneo93> nickrud:  why wont it play ogg sounds
[08:07] <nickrud> don't have a clue anymore :) maybe ask on #kubuntu
[08:08] <geneo93> i dont have kubuntu
[08:08] <benh> stuffed a home made ppc64 kernel with the latest initrd
[08:08] <benh> it installed like a charm on this iMac G5, and even X works out of the box (nvidia)
[08:08] <benh> in general things "just work"
[08:08] <nickrud> then what program you're using needs kde sounds
[08:09] <geneo93> benh:  dont the g5's have some special cooling thing
[08:09] <geneo93> kde i have both gnome and kde
[08:10] <benh> geneo93: which one ?
[08:10] <benh> the iMac G5 ? yes, I'm working on a driver
[08:10] <benh> the desktops already have a driver (except the latest single CPU, but it's very similar to the iMac G5)
[08:10] <geneo93> ahh
[08:10] <nickrud> try esddsp 'kde-program', it might work
[08:11] <ironwolf> anyone have an ieee1394 external hard drive working?  Mine always hangs on large file copies, any clues?
[08:11] <lewwy> hey guys, i recently reinstalled windows XP, so it overwrote the MBR.  does anyone here know how to reinstall grub to the MBR?
[08:11] <Jerub> lewwy: grub-install
[08:11] <lewwy> from ubuntu?
[08:11] <lewwy> Jerub: i cant get to ubuntu
[08:11] <geneo93> hehe
[08:11] <geneo93> use live cd then
[08:11] <nickrud> lewwy, do you have a live cd?
[08:12] <lewwy> nickrud, nah i dont
[08:12] <lewwy> nickrud, actually i've got Damn Small Linux
[08:12] <nickrud> do you have fast internet :)
[08:12] <lewwy> nickrud will Damn Small Linux do?
[08:12] <lewwy> its debian based nickrud
[08:13] <nickrud> does it have grub on it?
[08:13] <lewwy> nickrud nah it doesnt, any idea where to download it?
[08:13] <geneo93> nickrud:  i think it does
[08:13] <nickrud> Jerub is right, grub-install is what you'll need
[08:13] <lewwy> ok, anyone wanna link me or something?
[08:13] <Jerub> lewwy: its a command.
[08:13] <Burgundavia> lewwy, so some googling for grub disk
[08:14] <Jerub> it'll be in /sbin/grub-install
[08:14] <nickrud> I'm backing out of this, since I'm a lilo guy
[08:14] <lewwy> nickrud even if i can install lilo to the MBR
[08:14] <jnoon> does anyone know why some characters apear as encoding on my computer, and what would i need to install to fix it?
[08:14] <lewwy> i just need a bootloader
[08:14] <nickrud> lilo I can do, it'll boot anything
[08:14] <lewwy> nickrud ok i'll use lilo.  How would i install lilo to my MBR? bootdisk? bootcd? package?
[08:15] <geneo93> lewwy:  boot up the dsl and exicutee those commands pointing to your boot dir
[08:15] <lewwy> DSL has lilo package im sure of that
[08:15] <nickrud> ok, this is not a trivial thing you're about to do.
[08:16] <geneo93> lewwy:  use the dir in ubuntu from dsl
[08:16] <lewwy> nickrud perhaps go priv?
[08:16] <nickrud> ok, but I'm irc illiterate, so show me :)
[08:16] <lewwy> geneo93 i might go with lilo
[08:16] <lewwy> but thanks anyway
[08:17] <geneo93> lewwy:  i use lilo also
[08:18] <aswon> i boot grub form windows2003
[08:18] <lewwy> geneo93 thanks, but i think if i get two people on the same case i'll just end up screwing it up lol
[08:19] <geneo93> well my lilo boot 7 oses
[08:19] <tga> can people actually live without 'universe'?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> tga, a corp consumer can
[08:20] <desrt> only if they never do anything fun
[08:20] <geneo93> not to well
[08:20] <tga> ok, I feel better now :)
[08:20] <GuruFF> hi, how can i set in linux that time in bios is utc; i have dual boot, windows and linux fight for the right clck setup after each reboot
[08:20] <desrt> GuruFF; you have to tell linux that BIOS time = local time
[08:21] <desrt> which can cause problems
[08:21] <geneo93> tga it has lots of depends you'll need for normal desktop
[08:21] <GuruFF> desrt; how do i do that ?
[08:21] <desrt> well.. it really only causes a problem twice per year :)
[08:21] <tga> geneo93: yeah, that's why I was asking
[08:21] <desrt> edit /etc/default/rcS
[08:21] <tga> GuruFF: take a look at /etc/timezone
[08:21] <tga> erm, or that
[08:21] <desrt> UTC=yes
[08:21] <desrt> change to UTC=no
[08:22] <GuruFF> desrt; tga thx
[08:23] <geneo93> hehe apt goes a long way
[08:23] <tga> I didn't like all of Gnome stuffed down my throat
[08:23] <aswon> i set my screen at 1024*768@85, but when i restart X ,it's go back to 1280*1024@60 ,what shall i do
[08:24] <tga> ion3 and a few apps and I'm happy
[08:24] <tga> aswon: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:24] <tga> aswon: take a look at the Modes line, probably for 24-bit Depth
[08:24] <Tom555> Hello.  Anyone want to help a linux idiot?
[08:24] <aswon> i'll try
[08:24] <tga> Tom555: we're barely waiting
[08:25] <Tom555> How to install mysql.  I was told to type apt-get install mysql-admin
[08:25] <tga> Tom555: apt-get install mysql-server
[08:26] <tga> Tom555: you can search for mysql packages with 'apt-cache search mysql
[08:26] <dimatrod> is there somewhere i can get a clean do_chroot?
[08:26] <MMond> Tom555: That'll install MySQL, yes, but if you are try to work it along php . . . then you'll have to take another step
[08:26] <MMond> trying*
[08:26] <Tom555> I get coundn't find package mysql-admin
[08:27] <dimatrod> um, could anybody please give me their d0_dchroot please
[08:27] <dimatrod> i desperately need it
[08:28] <Bromius> is this the place to talk about gnome-vfs and OO and stuff?
[08:28] <dimatrod> its the place to talk about anything
[08:28] <dimatrod> about ubuntu
[08:28] <tga> erm.. why does mozilla-firefox depend on gconf2 and libgnome*?
[08:28] <dimatrod> but, hey, nobody's giving me their do_dchroot?
[08:29] <dimatrod> i need it like right now
[08:29] <dimatrod> and couldnt find by searching in google
[08:29] <Bromius> ok, the network share browser widget thingy is stupid in the Ubuntu live cd, according to the Gnome guys, because OO is not built with the gnome-vfs package.  1.  Is this true.  2.  Can this be fixed  (by me if neccessary).
[08:29] <dimatrod> 1 yes
[08:30] <dimatrod> 2 live cd tends to not be completely good
[08:30] <dimatrod> try getting the install version
[08:30] <ajmitch> Bromius: there is an openoffice.org-gnomevfs package, not sure if it's installed on the livecd or not
[08:30] <Kabuto> dimatrod, what's the glibc version on hoary?
[08:30] <geneo93> Tom555:  its in univese repository
[08:30] <dimatrod> this about my do_dchroot?
[08:31] <Bromius> ok, but the live cd is the evangelical tool of choice.  Show it to my mates, and I can't open a network word doc in oo, because 'it doesn't exist' and they will think I am a fool.
[08:31] <tga> aww no more naked people in the calendar :\
[08:31] <aswon> how could i say to somebody like this : geneo93 Tom555:  its in univese repository
[08:32] <dimatrod> kabuto:2.03
[08:32] <dimatrod> i guess
[08:33] <jonex> My fon'ts render incorrectly when not atialiased. How do I fix that? (I know it's a common error in Linux-based systems)
[08:33] <Kartagis> I'm on ubuntu and my mixer can't be loaded. can anyone help me
[08:33] <run|sony> im trying to aptitude libapache2 and its asking for media - i dont have it on me
[08:33] <geneo93> kar type alsamixer in terminal
[08:33] <Tom555> geneo93: the mysq-server worked.  What is the different between -admin and -server?
[08:33] <run|sony> any ideas how i can work around this?
[08:34] <dimatrod> kartagis:how do i know my glibc?
[08:34] <Kartagis> pkg-config glibc --version
[08:34] <geneo93> Tom555:  if you dont have all the repositories unabled you wont get all the packages
[08:35] <dimatrod> 0.15
[08:35] <Kartagis> geneo93, I already did that ana boosted everything. still no :(
[08:35] <saik0> run|sony, remove the CD from your apt sources. or sepecify the online repo
[08:35] <dimatrod> Kartagis :0,15
[08:35] <geneo93> kar apt-get update
[08:35] <Tom555> geneo93: so how do I access the universe repositories?
[08:36] <dimatrod> kartagis: um, what does the glibc have to do with making a do_dchroot file?
[08:36] <geneo93> Tom555:  dunno i did mine by hand
[08:36] <run|sony> thanks saik0
[08:36] <run|sony> still getting use to debian
[08:37] <Kartagis> dimatrod, nothing and I didn't know it was you.
[08:37] <dimatrod> ...ok
[08:37] <Tom555> geneo93: What does by hand mean?  Sorry very new to linux. and I appreciate the help
[08:38] <dimatrod> so, anybody can give me their do_dchroot please
[08:38] <dimatrod> PLEASE!!!!!
[08:38] <geneo93> i edited /ect/apt/sources list by hand
[08:38] <nagarajt> real player AMD64 help
[08:38] <Kartagis> geneo93, I did that, no use
[08:39] <geneo93> kar did you updaye
[08:39] <Kartagis> I did
[08:40] <geneo93> funny its on mine and it says universe
 i edited /ect/apt/sources list by hand <--- should I do that too?
[08:41] <geneo93>         deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:42] <Somebody_> Hey, is there any programs available that'll allow me to edit swf files?
[08:43] <Kartagis> I edited, but it still gets from restricted
[08:43] <dimatrod> you need to gedit
[08:43] <geneo93> Somebody_:  open synaptic and search swf
[08:43] <dimatrod> on terminal, do sudo gedit
[08:43] <tga> I can't get ion3 to use artwiz fonts, although they show up in xfontsel
[08:43] <dimatrod> and then whateve you want to edit
[08:44] <tga> I added /usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/misc to the FontPath but it still won't display them
[08:44] <Kartagis> argh! root stuff on GUI don't accept my root password
[08:44] <Kartagis> dimatrod, me?
[08:44] <dimatrod> yeah
[08:45] <dimatrod> doing sudo gedit will edit any file with root permissions
[08:45] <geneo93> Kartagis:  use user passwd and sudo
[08:46] <Kartagis> funny, sudo gedit won't accept my root password
[08:46] <dimatrod> weird
[08:46] <dimatrod> use your user password
[08:47] <ztonzy> hi fazer , any progress with openbox ?
[08:47] <chibifs> There's a problem with openbox? o.O
[08:47] <lewwy> hey who was that dude that was helping me with lilo?
[08:47] <nickrud> hi
[08:47] <ztonzy> chibifs, eeh what ?
[08:48] <lewwy> hey nickrud
[08:48] <lewwy> anywho nickrud im sitting in DSL right now, what do i do
[08:48] <nickrud> I'm cluess about irc, how about taking us private again
[08:48] <dimatrod> anyone knows where to get a clean or already modified do_dchroot file?
[08:48] <fazer> ztonzy, oh hey,yeah, I switched to xfce then back to gnome when my USB drive wasn't realy being handled properly =/
[08:48] <lewwy> nickrud im clueless about nIRC so i'll be stuffed if i know how to go private
[08:48] <lewwy> lol
[08:49] <nickrud> ok, do you have an /etc/lilo.conf
[08:49] <chibifs> You know, all you need to do to get it working in XFCE is run the gnome services, right?
[08:49] <ztonzy> fazer, ack...well...in the gconfig editor or soo...you can set Gnome to use openbox instead of metacity :)
[08:49] <lewwy> checking nickrud
[08:49] <fazer> ztonzy, hmmm
[08:49] <fazer> yeah...
[08:49] <fazer> ztonzy, thanks, I think will try that out sometime.
[08:49] <fazer> ztonzy, but I really want to get my sound configured.
[08:49] <ztonzy> fazer,  Apps ---> System -->  gconf-editor
[08:50] <lewwy> nickrud i currently dont have a lilo.conf, i think DSL may have deleted it
[08:50] <Kartagis> geneo93, what should I write there for warty?
[08:50] <nickrud> can you apt-get it?
[08:50] <ztonzy> fazer, aah...well it doesnt change the GUI anyhow...
[08:50] <ztonzy> just the borderes
[08:50] <fazer> ztonzy, there is no gconf-editor
[08:50] <chibifs> X->Settings->Sessions and Startup-> -Advanced- x Launch Gnome services on startup
[08:50] <geneo93> Kartagis:  cant help you if you have warty
[08:50] <fazer> there is only just a simple Configuration Editor
[08:51] <ztonzy> fazer, welll Configurator or somethimg,....dunno the english word...i am on swedish, but a red icon
[08:51] <nickrud> lewwy: that is, apg-get install lilo
[08:51] <lewwy> ok trying now
[08:51] <Kartagis> geneo93, you don't know or you don't wanna because I use warty? :P
[08:51] <lewwy> nickrud i think i already have it installed
[08:51] <nickrud> typos, typos, tyo
[08:51] <dimatrod> anyone knows where to get a clean or already modified do_dchroot file?
[08:51] <dimatrod> anyone knows where to get a clean or already modified do_dchroot file?
[08:52] <nickrud> try dpkg -l lilo
[08:52] <geneo93> Kartagis:  change them all to hoary and do update the apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:52] <chibifs> fazer - You got what I said, right?
[08:52] <fazer> ztonzy, ahh yeah
[08:52] <lewwy> nickrud what am i looking for, i got some output
[08:52] <fazer> chibifs, hmm?
[08:52] <nickrud> lewwy, does it have ii at the beginning of the line
[08:52] <fazer> chibifs, i am on gnome.
[08:52] <ztonzy> fazer, found it ?
[08:53] <chibifs> Right, but if you like XFCE better :P
[08:53] <ztonzy> soo...
[08:53] <ztonzy> ready ?
[08:53] <lewwy> yeh, Name
[08:53] <lewwy> and then pn lilo <none>
[08:53] <lewwy> etc
[08:53] <fazer> ztonzy, yeap...just dont know what to edit though.
[08:53] <lewwy> no etc, etc as in ecetera
[08:53] <fazer> chibifs, no, xfce is... meh, just loads slight faster but doesn't solve the issue i was after
[08:53] <ztonzy> fazer, go to "desktop" menu
[08:53] <geneo93> Kartagis:  you'll have to reboot after all that to see changes
[08:54] <fazer> ztonzy, yeah, thats where I was originally.
[08:54] <nickrud> ok, pn means you don't have it installed, so do apt-get install lilo
[08:54] <ztonzy> fazer, then of course "Gnome" then "Applications"
[08:54] <ztonzy> fazer, then you find "window_manager"
[08:54] <fazer> aaa
[08:54] <fazer> yeah
[08:54] <nickrud> or wait, stop!!
[08:54] <fazer> then I change  the default one?
[08:54] <lewwy> yes nickrud?
[08:54] <geneo93> nickrud:  hes working off dsl
[08:54] <ztonzy> fazer, there's something called "default"  ....yes...and it is set to number...
[08:54] <nickrud> lewwy: dsl boots from grub, right?
[08:55] <chibifs> I'd probably be in gnome as well.. But there's no debian probe menu in it :/
[08:55] <ztonzy> fazer, change it so you can type in text to "openbox"
[08:55] <lewwy> it boots from something
[08:55] <lewwy> lol
[08:55] <nickrud> so, do an ls /etc/boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:55] <lewwy> i want it to boot from hda2
[08:55] <lewwy> no such file or direcotry
[08:55] <ztonzy> fazer, you also need obconf  do ---> 'sudo apt-get install obconf'
[08:56] <holycow> chibifs, are you chibi from efnet?
[08:56] <nickrud> geneo93: If you know a shortcut from dsl, speak up :)
[08:56] <fazer> ztonzy, oh, I think it installed obconf for me.
[08:56] <ztonzy> fazer, it creates this "other" in menu...for settings in themes and behaivors
[08:56] <ztonzy> fazer, nice
[08:56] <fazer> ztonzy, yeah, thanks for you rhelp.
[08:56] <fazer> i think i will figure this out tomorrow
[08:56] <ztonzy> fazer, so you changed to openbox now ???
[08:56] <pygmy> ok, so I've just installed ubuntu for the first time, and I understand the whole "root as a user not existing" thing, but why does ubuntu not require any sort of authentication to spawn a su shell?
[08:56] <tga> my ion3 style asks for -artwiz-cure-*-*-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-* but I'm getting a different font.. any idea why?
[08:56] <lewwy> nickrud No such file or directory
[08:56] <ztonzy> just log out and in again to gnome ;)
[08:56] <fazer> ztonzy, no, not yet, i can change though during startup by selection sessions.
[08:56] <ztonzy> aha
[08:57] <nickrud> lewwy, then we go my way: apt-get install lilo
[08:57] <ztonzy> fazer, hmm what ?
[08:57] <geneo93> i have it here somewhere
[08:57] <fazer> ztonzy, the main problem I am facing is 1) there is no sound on my thinkpad 2) the video driver used is suck =(
[08:57] <lewwy> it recommends running apt-get update to resolve the problems
[08:57] <ztonzy> fazer, if you set it now...and next time you log into gnome the effect will change
[08:57] <ztonzy> fazer, :)
[08:57] <ztonzy> :(*
[08:57] <nickrud> good idea
[08:57] <ztonzy> I Meant
[08:57] <chibifs> I'm chibifs on efnet.
[08:57] <fazer> ztonzy, gotcha
[08:58] <chibifs> On rare occasion, ChibiCng
[08:58] <jtza8> How do I switch off the system bell?
[08:58] <elcu> can anyone recommend any of the games in the repositories?  (besides f-bubble)
[08:58] <chibifs> #modarchive, #secondlife, #idlerpg :P
[08:58] <ztonzy> fazer, it would be fun to see if it works for you too...
[08:59] <geneo93> damn all i can find is yoper
[08:59] <fazer> ztonzy, meh, it would be, but I currently like gnome, its fine.
[08:59] <ztonzy> fazer, and also...I Do recommend reading the docs on their site for modifierkey and keyboard/mousebehavior....
[08:59] <pygmy> does anyone have any input re: root terminal?
[08:59] <ztonzy> fazer, I use gnome with openbox ;)
[08:59] <fazer> ztonzy, ah, link?
[08:59] <fazer> ztonzy, so, what did you set the "current" value us?
[08:59] <fazer> and how does it know what to use...
[08:59] <jtza8> pygmy: how to get a root terminal?
[08:59] <fazer> since i have openbox and xfce installed.
[08:59] <lewwy> huzzah nickrud its working
[09:00] <lewwy> apt-get lilo is working
[09:00] <pygmy> jtza8: how to make it require authentication
[09:00] <elcu> hmm ... freecraft looks interesting.
[09:00] <jtza8> sudo passwd
[09:00] <lewwy> nickrud im sitting here now at the liloconfig, what do i do
[09:00] <fazer> i wonder what 'apt' stands for.
[09:00] <robitaille> pygmy,   a root terminal will ask for a password...but Ubuntu will only ask for your password every 15 minutes
[09:00] <ztonzy> fazer, "current" will change to "openbox" when you log in next time :)
[09:00] <Tom555> How do I install a package after downloading it??? It is MythTV, and I extracted the files now what?
[09:00] <ztonzy> fazer, http://icculus.org/openbox/docs.php
[09:00] <jtza8> pygmy: Just passwd for authentication.
[09:00] <fazer> ztonzy, so, i set the value as what?
[09:01] <ice_1963> how about gnome whith fluxbox =)
[09:01] <nickrud> lewwy, give me a sec, or three :)
[09:01] <lewwy> nickrud lilo is installed what now
[09:01] <pygmy> jtza8: that doesn't make "root terminal" require a password.
[09:01] <lewwy> k
[09:01] <pygmy> robitaille: can that be disabled?
[09:01] <jtza8> robitaille: do you mean sudo?
[09:01] <jtza8> pygmy: What do you mean by "root terminal"?
[09:01] <ztonzy> fazer, you can only change to another number ?  try change it to "string" first, then change "0"  to "openbox"
[09:01] <robitaille> jtza8, I meant a root terminal; but sudo is the same 15 mins by defaults
[09:02] <fazer> ztonzy, what? '0' to 'openbox' where?
[09:02] <pygmy> jtza8: applications=>system tools=>root terminal
[09:02] <ztonzy> fazer, "default"
[09:02] <robitaille> pygmy,  it can be disable; not 100% sure why, but it involves an option in /etc/sudoers
[09:02] <robitaille> pygmy,  s/why/how
[09:03] <ztonzy> fazer, hmmm  maybe it changed since I changed it....but it says in helptext "Alternative windowmanager"
[09:03] <jtza8> You need a password, but only every now and then. I guess you mean, "How do I get Ubuntu to relinquish controll?"
[09:03] <duken> helo
[09:04] <Tuxicity> hello
[09:04] <nickrud> ok, now it gets fun :)
[09:04] <duken> anyone can help about apache ?
[09:04] <ztonzy> fazer, works ?
[09:04] <jtza8> pygmy: My my guess is that sudo is used, change the sudo settings and try again?
[09:04] <duken> i has been create two vhost at sistes-available
[09:05] <duken> and then imake symlink to sites-enable
[09:05] <lewwy> nickrud
[09:05] <geneo93> i dont think its a good idea to disable sudo
[09:05] <duken> but just one vhost can access
[09:05] <NewNick> what does sudo mean
[09:05] <lewwy> nickrud i was afk for a bit can you repeat everything u said plzkth
[09:05] <lewwy> thx*
[09:05] <jtza8> Super Users DO
[09:05] <NewNick> ok
[09:06] <nickrud> lewwy, sorry, got sidetracked.  Take a look at http://pastebin.com/271951
[09:06] <geneo93> i have su power
[09:06] <fazer> ztonzy, no, i am too dozed to do anything, i will mess around with it tomorrow
[09:06] <|QuaD-> wow....breezy is really messing up my computer
[09:06] <fazer> ztonzy, or bug you tomorrow about it
[09:06] <|QuaD-> load average 4-5
[09:06] <geneo93> sudo passwd root
[09:07] <lewwy> you've heard of mexican wave, now this is mexican poke!
[09:07] <ztonzy> fazer, hehe...it is morning here...09:07
[09:07] <ice_1963> yop
[09:07] <ztonzy> fazer, had breakfast now coffee...2nd round
[09:07] <|QuaD-> gam_server,gnome-panel,trashapplet, and gnome-settings- using an huge amount of cpu time
[09:08] <nickrud> lewwy, this is hard. I've never fixed someone's machine at this level without being at the keyboard
[09:09] <lewwy> yeh i understand nickrud
[09:09] <lewwy> nickrud perhaps some sort of vnc program?
[09:10] <nickrud> let's try something.
[09:10] <lewwy> ok
[09:10] <Tuxicity> I just wiped out Warty so I could do a fresh Hoary install but...
[09:10] <Tuxicity> The Hoary Install CD wont boot on my PC, freezes at "boot:" prompt...
[09:10] <nickrud> mkdir /repair
[09:10] <robitaille> |QuaD-,   that's the risk of living right on the edge of brand new technologies :)
[09:10] <Kartagis> what HOWTO or document must I read for configuring courier?
[09:10] <lewwy> ok done nickrud
[09:10] <nickrud> mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2? /repair (a2 is your ubuntu disk, right?
[09:11] <lewwy> yeh
[09:11] <nickrud> ok, mount that
[09:11] <|QuaD-> robitaille: yeah....not really complaining.... i will restart my comp in the morning, see if that fixes it
[09:11] <|QuaD-> its just odd behaviour
[09:11] <lewwy> ok nickrud it didnt take the type extension, so i chopped it off and hda2 is now mounted
[09:11] <szm_46> hi all, I need some help
[09:11] <robitaille> |QuaD-,   breezy should be my future in 2-3 weeks.  I just waiting a little bit longer for people like you to get the initial bugs out of the system :)
[09:12] <geneo93> nickrud:  he want mbr on hda1
[09:12] <nickrud> lewwy   chroot /repair
[09:12] <lewwy> no such file or direcotry
[09:12] <|QuaD-> robitaille: i am actually restarting now, brb
[09:12] <nickrud> which chroot
[09:12] <Tuxicity> Can Hoary install CD boot with a USB keyboard attached?
[09:12] <lewwy> chroot /repair
[09:13] <pharaonic_anubis> Is there a wiki or howto on installing Azureus under Warty somewhere?
[09:13] <szm_46> I tried for the first time the 5.04 live cd. but I can't find where and how should I define my connection to the internet (ADSL, Alcatel modem). can anyone guide me to the "right" place please?
[09:13] <Tuxicity> pharaonic_anubis: ubuntuguide.org
[09:13] <nickrud> lewwy, you mean chroot /repair came back with no error?
[09:13] <lewwy> chroot /repair came back with No such file or directory
[09:13] <holycow> nothing to install really, you just need to install java and download the jar
[09:13] <lewwy> im sitting in /mnt/hda2
[09:13] <lewwy> ARGH
[09:13] <lewwy> my bad
[09:13] <geneo93> lewwy:  you have to cd to that dir
[09:13] <nickrud> ok, for a check, try ls /repair
[09:14] <pharaonic_anubis> Thanks Tuxicity
[09:14] <lewwy> wtf
[09:14] <lewwy> its not doing it
[09:14] <Tuxicity> pharaonic_anubis: that was nothing ;)
[09:14] <lewwy> i keep on getting the no such file error
[09:15] <nickrud> lewwy, I'm trying to be sure we created a place to mount your ubuntu partion, and mounted it correctly.
[09:15] <lewwy> you're telling me to mount ubuntu to repair?
[09:15] <nickrud> lewwy, so, if the /repair directory was created, ls /repair will show no errors
[09:16] <Tuxicity> Suppose I booted in some LiveCD. How can I manually start the Hoary installer?
[09:16] <jon_> I just installed Hoary on my Thinkpad X30.  I used to run Debian Sarge w/ swsusp2, and that worked fine, but Hoary's kernel will only let me hibernate/resume once.  After that, all the PM keys are dead.  Anyone have any ideas?
[09:16] <robitaille> Tuxicity,   the LiveCD doesn't contain the installer
[09:17] <lewwy> yeh ls repair shows no errors
[09:17] <Tuxicity> robitaille: I know. I have the Install CD, but it wont boot.
[09:17] <nickrud> lewwy, what we're going to do is mount your ubuntu partition, change to it (so we run programs from ubuntu, and do a grub-install.
[09:18] <nickrud> That should get you back to normal.
[09:18] <robitaille> Tuxicity,  but the LiveCD boot?  If one boots, the other should boot as well
[09:18] <lewwy> yeh ok
[09:18] <lewwy> ubuntu is mounted to /mnt/hda2
[09:18] <lewwy> just give us a dir and i'll run grub install
[09:18] <nickrud> ok!! chroot /mnt/hda2
[09:18] <Tuxicity> robitaille: no, I dont even have the Ubuntu LiveCD. But i got an old Gentoo LiveCD that boots...
[09:19] <lewwy> huzzah
[09:19] <lewwy> it did it
[09:19] <holycow> ah finally, ati drivers workig ... okay this system now feels incredibly fast
[09:19] <holycow> jesus
[09:19] <holycow> amd64 sure is an experience
[09:19] <|QuaD-> robitaille: looks like a normal reboot worked :) betime
[09:19] <trygvebw> Hi, is there anyway to count how many instances of a word there is in a file?
[09:19] <|QuaD-> *bedtime
[09:19] <nickrud> ok, execute grub-install, cross your fingers, and have a boot disk handy :)
[09:20] <lewwy> Usage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device
[09:20] <Tuxicity> trygvebw: i remember a command-line tool that does just that, but what was it...
[09:20] <trygvebw> Tuxicity, hm :)
[09:20] <nickrud> grub install /dev/hda
[09:20] <robitaille> Tuxicity,  maybe you could try something:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[09:21] <Kartagis> trygvebw, cat filename|grep word|wc -l
[09:21] <trygvebw> thanks Kartagis :)
[09:21] <Kartagis> np
[09:21] <lewwy> ok nickrud, minimal bash-like line editing blah blah blah
[09:21] <lewwy> what now nickrud
[09:22] <nickrud> lewwy, now you must be inside grub's super advanced command line, which I'm a noob with, so wait one.
[09:22] <jonex> How do I open my windows drives?
[09:23] <lewwy> with a screwdriver
[09:23] <Kartagis> jonex, mount them first
[09:23] <jonex> Kartagis: Eh how?
[09:23] <geneo93> jonex:  you have to mount them
[09:23] <Kartagis> jonex, man mount
[09:23] <jonex> You have to use console for such a simple thing in Ubuntu?
[09:23] <nickrud> I just did a quick grub-install /dev/hda here, worked properly. Um.
[09:24] <Kartagis> yes
[09:24] <liable> lewwy: do you just have a >
[09:24] <fazer> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[09:24] <fazer>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[09:24] <fazer> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[09:24] <fazer> wtf
[09:24] <lewwy> i have a grub>
[09:24] <fazer> I get that when I do apt-get install pan
[09:24] <jonex> There is no other way? Using a gui?
[09:24] <nickrud> lewwy maybe I missed the dash in the first command line I gave you :)
[09:24] <lewwy> mount -t ext3?
[09:25] <lewwy> the -t ext3?
[09:25] <Kartagis> jonex, if the related link is on your Desktop, yeah
[09:25] <nickrud> lewwy, type exit (to get out of the change root) and then mount, make sure everythings mounted the way you expect
[09:26] <nickrud> that is, /dev/hda
[09:26] <nickrud> that is, /dev/hda2
[09:26] <Tuxicity> robitaille: looks more complicated than what i would like..
[09:27] <nickrud> the -t ext3 says what type of partition it is, that's an assumtion I made that may be wrong
[09:27] <Tuxicity> Can Hoary Install CD boot from a CD-RW?
[09:27] <jonex> Kartagis: Ok, then thaanks anyway.
[09:28] <Kartagis> np
[09:28] <nickrud> liable, you sound more intelligent than I about grub (you mentioned a prompt you recognized), can you help
[09:28] <bosewicht> why is so so freaking hard to add a menu item in gnome!!!!
[09:29] <lewwy> HUZZAH IT WORKED
[09:29] <lewwy> REBOOTING
[09:29] <bosewicht> it's next to impossible to find
[09:29] <LiberalTugboat> hey hey
[09:29] <MMond> !ping
[09:30] <Tuxicity> bosewicht: I think it's explained on ubuntuguide.org
[09:30] <LiberalTugboat> I just found a great program... EasyTag
[09:30] <nicedreams> I installed MythTV from the repositories and when I run 'mythtv-setup' is says it cannot connect to the X server.  How do I allow mythtv user access to X server to run this?
[09:30] <LiberalTugboat> I was able to edit 250 id3 tags in like a half hour
[09:30] <robitaille> Tuxicity,  yeah, it's not simple, but it will work (I have done something similar a few months back)    Are you sure you burned your install CD right?
[09:31] <Raskall> good morning.
[09:31] <LiberalTugboat> hey Raskall
[09:31] <liable> nickrud: lets try :)
[09:31] <Tuxicity> robitaille: md5sums look OK
[09:31] <Raskall> well, good is a definitin. My daugher has kept me awake in the nights for a week or so now.
[09:32] <Raskall> I'm a zombie
[09:32] <nickrud> liable: well, he just logged off, trying a reboot. I hope he got it
[09:32] <tga> I'm having some font trouble.. xfontsel displays the right -artwiz- fonts but when I try to use them with xterm for example I get a different font
[09:32] <robitaille> Raskall,   ah the joy of kids....  (I have 3 young ones myself)
[09:33] <Raskall> robitaille: yup. she's a bit sick these days and wakes up about every 45 minutes.
[09:35] <nicedreams> I installed MythTV from the repositories and when I run 'mythtv-setup' is says it cannot connect to the X server.  How do I allow mythtv user access to X server to run this?
[09:35] <Tuxicity> robitaille: I have a USB keyboard. could it be why it freezes at "boot:" prompt?
[09:36] <Tuxicity> robitaille: though the KB even works in BIOS...
[09:36] <Kartagis> nicedreams, ctrl+alt+backspace and log on as root
[09:36] <robitaille> Tuxicity,  maybe.   My experience with USB is very limited; I usually try to stick to the old ps/2
[09:36] <robitaille> Tuxicity,  but if it works in the BIOS, that's a very good sign it should work
[09:37] <desrt> mmm
[09:37] <desrt> the bends
[09:37] <desrt> (nice dream)
[09:37] <Raskall> I am SOOOOOO tempted to upgrade to breezy. Actually started apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday, but chickened out. It would be fun to run breezy, but I need to have my laptop working since I am applying for jobs these days.
[09:37] <desrt> Raskall; i'm running breezy now.  i can't notice any difference
[09:37] <Tuxicity> robitaille: this KB works in the Gentoo LiveCD, BIOS and Warty (though I had a ps2 KB during install of Warty, then latter changed to USB)
[09:38] <desrt> mm.  system of a penguin.
[09:38] <Raskall> desrt: they predict the next weeks to be a little rough running breezy
[09:38] <desrt> Raskall; ya.  i'm going to avoid upgrading for the next little while :)
[09:38] <robitaille> Raskall,  I would wait..personally another 2-3 weeks.  Things could be rough in the next little while.
[09:38] <nickrud> Raskall: give yourself a 5gb partition for breezy, and play around. you can alwasy reboot hoary
[09:39] <Kilter> I'm looking at the WPA HOWTO on the ubuntu site, but the ssidselect script it gives gives errors when I try and run it, I'm sure I'm screwing something up... thoughts?  script is here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[09:39] <Raskall> nickrud: I'd rather try running it in qemu. Too lazy to start repartitioning now.
[09:39] <Kilter> (I've modified it as needed for my system, errors are in other places)
[09:39] <MMond> On my Windows desktop.. I used to do "Disk cleanup" what is equivalent to something of that sort on Ubuntu? Or things I should be doing to keep my system square . . .
[09:40] <Kilter> I'm trying to run it from /etc/init.d/ssidselect (if that matters)
[09:40] <nickrud> Raskall: I've had a few partitions set aside for a while now; don't need no stinkin' vms :)
[09:41] <Burgundavia> MMond, fsck will do that for you on bootup
[09:41] <Raskall> robitaille: yup. if it wasnt for my ongoing job hunt I wouldn't hesitate. But I am in dire need of a functioning workstation these days. And I do not want to borrow my step daughters windows machine.. *shrudder*
[09:42] <MMond> Burgundavia: So there are no measures I can do on my part?
[09:42] <Raskall> nickrud: I cant afford that on my 30 Gig disk.
[09:42] <Burgundavia> MMond, don't really need to. Better designed filesystem
[09:42] <Bazzi> MMond dont litter stuff around ;)
[09:42] <Burgundavia> MMond, and os
[09:42] <Raskall> but just out of curiousity, is it possible to resize a ext3-partition?
[09:42] <tga> Raskall: yes, but you could lose all the data
[09:42] <robitaille> Raskall,  what I do is 2 partition...one for the family and one for me.  Until last weeks I was running both Hoary and Warty.  THen in a few weeks, I'll be running both Breezy and Hoary.  So for sure the stable parition is always there available
[09:42] <Burgundavia> Raskall, should be, use parted and its graphical frontends {g|qt}parted
[09:42] <MMond> Mmm, alright. thanks
[09:43] <nickrud> Raskall: I believe I read somewhere you need to drop it to ext2 first, then resize, but that may be old news
[09:43] <tga> RuN is join spamming
[09:43] <Kilter> can anyone help with WPA (specifically an ipw2200 card)
[09:44] <Bazzi> Kilter whats the problem?
[09:44] <Raskall> robitaille: We have an almost clean linux home. Just my step-daughter that needs win to play her games.
[09:44] <Raskall> Burgundavia: thanks. :) will try that this weekend some time.
[09:44] <MMond> And another question . . . I ordered the hoary discs quite a while ago and I think I'll be getting them soon . . . is upgrading to that ... hmm, well, does it require some heavy configuring?
[09:45] <Kilter> Bazzi, I've tried to use the WPA Howto on the ubuntu site, but when I run the commands I find there (and elsewhere) I get odd errors.
[09:45] <Kilter> (will paste, hang on)
[09:45] <robitaille> Raskall,  samething here.  my son plays his games in a small Win98 partition.  So I triple-boot that machine:  Win98/Linux1/Linux2
[09:45] <Kilter> with the script, (ssidselect from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto) I get this
[09:45] <onno> how do yo auto identify in xchat?
[09:45] <Kilter> /etc/init.d/ssidselect: line 39: syntax error in conditional expression
[09:45] <Kilter> /etc/init.d/ssidselect: line 39: syntax error near `] ] ?'
[09:45] <Kilter> /etc/init.d/ssidselect: line 39: `        while [[ $STATUS == 1 && $TIME -lt $TIMEOUT ] ] ?'
[09:45] <allorder> hello, I just downloaded quake 3 arena demo and I got a .gz.sh file, I google to find response and got nothing to deal with this someone can help ?
[09:46] <Raskall> allorder: sh file.gz.sh
[09:46] <Kilter> when I try and run against the supplicant file I get this...
[09:46] <onno> I got my laptop connectec to my pc how do I share internet connection with it?
[09:46] <Kilter> ioctl[IPW_IOCTL_WPA_SUPPLICANT] : No such device
[09:46] <Bazzi> uh oh sorry cant help you there
[09:46] <Tuxicity> onno: i believe you should use Firestarter for this purpose
[09:47] <allorder> Raskall: doesnt work....
[09:47] <Kilter> damn, thanks Bazzi
[09:47] <Raskall> allorder: whats the errmsg?
[09:47] <allorder> root@ubuntu:/home/allorder # sh linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh
[09:47] <allorder> Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[09:47] <Kilter> I've seen lots of postings in news groups, but nothing I've found has worked yet
[09:47] <onno> Firestarter?
[09:47] <allorder> and it open another console
[09:48] <BlackLabel> sudo sh..?
[09:48] <allorder> im already in root
[09:48] <BlackLabel> oh on u r root
[09:48] <Raskall> allorder: try to sudo it all from your normal user
[09:48] <Kilter> oh, on a different note, the dvd player doesn't seem to work out of the box, can anyone suggest a good one?
[09:48] <Bazzi> vlc
[09:49] <Tuxicity> onno: yes, the Linux Firewall. Unless you have a hardware router..
[09:49] <onno> should you install a firewall on GNU/Linux?
[09:50] <Kilter> thanks Bazzi
[09:50] <allorder> Raskall: same prob
[09:50] <Bazzi> Kilter I suggest reading the marillat howto on the ubuntu guide to get all those restricted formats to work
[09:50] <MuWu> HELP: not able to load svgalib_helper in Hoary..
[09:50] <allorder> it open xterm and say permission denied
[09:50] <Raskall> allorder: then I dont know. Are you in text mode or X?
[09:50] <Tuxicity> onno: it's quite secure by default, but you should always have a firewall on any system connected to Internet ;)
[09:50] <allorder> X
[09:50] <Raskall> allorder: running a desktop with a session manager?
[09:50] <allorder> hoary
[09:51] <allorder>  huh
[09:51] <Kilter> restricted formats?  ie dvds?
[09:51] <Raskall> allorder: gnome/kde/xfce/etc.
[09:51] <allorder> gnome
[09:51] <Raskall> allorder: hmm. then I don't know. Sorry.
[09:51] <allorder> ok thx
[09:52] <Kamping_kaiser> where would i start looking to fix a sound problem in hoary?
[09:53] <allorder> witch game are nice in linux
[09:53] <Raskall> Kamping_kaiser: permisjons on sound devices in /dev and if your user is a member of the audio group
[09:53] <Raskall> allorder: tuxracer. :)
[09:53] <Tuxicity> allorder: UT2004, BZFlag
[09:53] <allorder> already play ;P
[09:53] <allorder> ut2003 has a demo ?
[09:54] <Kamping_kaiser> i get system sounds, but not media (film clips/mp3s) mp3s worked under hoary + xmms, but xmms wont work now
[09:54] <tga> why would xterm display the wrong font, even if xfontsel sees it right?
[09:54] <onno> firestarter wont start the firewall
[09:54] <tga> Kamping_kaiser: sounds like some sound server is hogging your /dev/dsp
[09:54] <Tuxicity> Kamping_kaiser: ubuntuguide.org, you should have read the guide ;)
[09:54] <Raskall> Kamping_kaiser: running breezy? maybe you have to install the xmms-mp3 (or whatever its called)
[09:54] <onno> it says eth0 is ok
[09:55] <shmoolik> http://img223.echo.cx/img223/2696/snapshot133fm.jpg
[09:55] <onno> it says eth0 is not ok
[09:56] <Tuxicity> Tired, see you tomorow, good night all!
[09:56] <Kamping_kaiser> bye tuxicity
[09:56] <kakalto> yay for ubuntu
[09:57] <Kamping_kaiser> tga. where would i find out about dsp s usage?
[09:57] <ncp> is there an way i can start etc. torsmo when ever i login, but only in x?
[09:57] <Kamping_kaiser> you running kakalto?
[09:58] <tga> Kamping_kaiser: maybe you just don't have mp3 support, read the guide or something
[09:58] <Kamping_kaiser> i do, because i could play under hoary
[09:58] <Burgundavia> ncp, add it to your default session
[09:58] <kakalto> Kamping_kaiser, of course :D
[09:58] <tga> Kamping_kaiser: are you using KDE?
[09:59] <trilokesh> hello... isn't it possible to install skype with synaptic ? thanks in advance..
[09:59] <Kamping_kaiser> tga no, but it is installed
[09:59] <Kamping_kaiser> no trilockesh
[09:59] <ncp> Burgundavia: an that will only effekt when i login to gnome?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> ncp, yeppers
[09:59] <tga> Kamping_kaiser: it's probably not the issue in your case, but at some point artsd was starting with kde and using my /dev/dsp
[10:00] <Kamping_kaiser> kakalto. how long did it take to fix?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> trilokesh, no, sorry, ubuntu can't distribute it
[10:00] <tga> Kamping_kaiser: it could be that artsd or esd or something is doing the same
[10:00] <trilokesh> Kamping_kaiser, why not ? it shouldn't be ?
[10:00] <Kamping_kaiser> tga. ok. i should look
[10:00] <trilokesh> hmmm.... and in other mirrors ?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> trilokesh, possibly, search for 'skype debian'
[10:00] <Kamping_kaiser> trilokesh. its not in the list. afaik
[10:00] <trilokesh> thanks ;)
[10:00] <Kamping_kaiser> its not im my list
[10:00] <trilokesh> i understand
[10:01] <LiberalTugboat> trilokesh, go to ubuntuguide.org it says how to install skype
[10:01] <kakalto> Kamping_kaiser, a couple of hours (broken up into a few days)
[10:01] <trilokesh> LiberalTugboat, thanks very much :D
[10:01] <ncp> Burgundavia: i don't have it, if i create it, should it be named default_session ore defaultsession?
[10:02] <Kamping_kaiser> tga. how can i check if /dev/dsp is being used?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> ncp, hmm? just go to system--?prefs-->session
[10:02] <tga> Kamping_kaiser: lsof |grep dsp
[10:03] <Burgundavia> ncp, 3rd tab
[10:03] <tga> Kamping_kaiser: or just try something like 'mpg123 foo.mp3' and see if it gives you some permission error
[10:04] <ncp> Burgundavia: thnx mate
[10:04] <Burgundavia> ncp, np
[10:04] <Kamping_kaiser> tga what i get for lsof is
[10:04] <Kamping_kaiser> kaiser@rommel:~ $ lsof |grep /dev/dsp
[10:04] <Kamping_kaiser> esd       10661     kaiser    5w      CHR       14,3               9771 /dev/dsp
[10:05] <Nula> Kamping_kaiser, esd is your software mixer for gnome .. aka enlightenment sound daemon
[10:05] <Kamping_kaiser> ok.
[10:06] <Kamping_kaiser> tga. i can cat an mpg file with mpg123
[10:06] <Kamping_kaiser> and hear sound
[10:09] <Kamping_kaiser> and an mp3. so does that make it the audio application?
[10:11] <Nula> Kamping_kaiser, what's the problem?
[10:12] <Kamping_kaiser> i cant play mp3s with xmms, or amorak, and film clips wont play in totem. those are what iv tried so far
[10:12] <Kamping_kaiser> but it will play with mpg123
[10:12] <Burgundavia> Kamping_kaiser,
[10:12] <Burgundavia> Kamping_kaiser, have enabled marilliat, etc.
[10:12] <TheBoneSilver> you try with VLC
[10:12] <Nula> Kamping_kaiser, is xmms set to use ESD?
[10:13] <Kamping_kaiser> dont know.
[10:13] <Nula> right click on it.. and look at the prefrences
[10:13] <Nula> make sure it's NOT set to Alsa or OSS
[10:13] <Kamping_kaiser> output plugin?
[10:13] <Kamping_kaiser> its oss
[10:13] <Nula> yes
[10:13] <Nula> change it to ESD
[10:13] <Nula> and that will fix your xmms problem
[10:14] <Kamping_kaiser> esound?
[10:14] <Nula> yes
[10:14] <Kamping_kaiser> thanks ill try that now
[10:14] <farruinn> does this make sense to anyone?: I can burn the ppc install .iso but not the i386 version from within os x
[10:15] <farruinn> I don't see why it would make a difference, anyone know anything about this?
[10:15] <Nula> farruinn, shouldn't make a difference
[10:15] <Nula> and .iso file is an ISO file...
[10:15] <farruinn> that's just what I thought
[10:15] <Kamping_kaiser> nula. it works thanks.
[10:15] <Nula> Kamping_kaiser, welcome
[10:16] <Nula> Kamping_kaiser, make sure all your audio apps that have configurable output plugin use ESD/esound if they don't do so by default
[10:16] <Nula> totem detects that automatically however
[10:16] <jnoon> how would i go about re-installing all the base fonts?  i think some of mine arent working correctly cause im getting stange boxes... cant figure out how to fix it since i only know how to upgrade packages
[10:16] <Nula> so it's probably a codec problem with totem
[10:16] <Kamping_kaiser> ok. ill try somthing else
[10:17] <Kamping_kaiser> thanks for that
[10:17] <Nula> Kamping_kaiser, try installing totem-xine
[10:17] <Nula> and remove totem-gstreamer
[10:17] <Kamping_kaiser> i think i have, but ill check
[10:18] <onno> Does anybody have experience with firestarter.... I just installed it. But it complains about eth0 not wel configured
[10:18] <Nula> onno, is eth0 your only active network card?
[10:18] <Raskall> hmm.. aMule doesn't show up in systray when I minimize it. It just disappears, but leaves the process running. Could I have removed the systray while customizing my desktop?
[10:19] <Raskall> (I have turned on systray integration and "minimize to systray" in amule)
[10:19] <Kamping_kaiser> thanks nula. i have totem-xine
[10:19] <Nula> Raskall, the systray applet is the "notification" applet for gnome-panel, so as long as you have that you are fine and it's a problem with the application
[10:19] <Raskall> Nula: ok.
[10:20] <arkais> hello
[10:20] <onno> Nula yes, but I also have eht1
[10:20] <Nula> Kamping_kaiser, *cheers*
[10:20] <onno> running firestarter by command it gives this error al the time
[10:20] <Raskall> nula: ok. but how do I grab amule again? :)
[10:20] <onno> Error reading /proc/net/ip_conntrack: Onbekend bestand of map
[10:20] <Nula> I assume eth0 is connect to internet? and eth1 is your internal lan? or wireless?
[10:20] <onno> should I simple make that map?
[10:21] <onno> yes eth1 is internal
[10:21] <chx_> hi. I'd like to modify my initrd so that it loads EHCI and USB storage drivers. Is there a good tutorial on how to modify initrd? gunzip does not extract it :(
[10:21] <Nula> Raskall, open synaptic package manager from System -> Administration , search for aMule
[10:21] <desrt> chx_; add the names of the modules to /etc/mkinitrc/modules/
[10:21] <desrt> s/\/$//
[10:21] <desrt> then reinstall linux-image
[10:22] <desrt> installing linux-image rebuilds your initrd with the new settings
[10:22] <chx_> desrt: OK, the problem is the Ubuntu does not bood.
[10:22] <chx_> boot.
[10:22] <desrt> ow.
[10:22] <chx_> I am using another Linux install
[10:22] <chx_> from a half-dead HDD
[10:22] <desrt> trying to boot ubuntu off of a usb hd?
[10:22] <chx_> yes
[10:22] <onno> Nula, when I hit the start buttun it says (dutch) that eth0 is not ready...
[10:22] <chx_> definitely
[10:22] <Nula> onno, are both of your eth setup properly in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[10:22] <Raskall> Nula: hmm.. have no System-menu in synaptic.
[10:23] <onno> ??? how can I know it is a fresh install of Ubuntu
[10:23] <desrt> chx_; you can try and use the install or livecd to get into your system
[10:23] <desrt> chroot in and then do your stuff
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> later all. good luck.
[10:23] <netsniper> anyone know how to reduce the interface configuration timeout?
[10:23] <arkais> somebody has tried to put an splashimage in the grub?
[10:23] <chx_> desrt: I can chroot in. that's ok
[10:23] <Nula> Raskall, in synanptic press Ctrl-F and in the search box searchfor aMule
[10:23] <desrt> chx_; so do  it from inside the chroot?
[10:23] <desrt> chx_; you'll probably want to do it having booted from the livecd... not your old distro
[10:24] <desrt> ubuntu's image-creation thing does a crappy job at detecting what modules it needs when you're not running an ubuntu kernel
[10:24] <onno> Nula, looks like that file is ok
[10:24] <Nula> onno, you can configure your network cards using the graphical interface under System -> Administration -> Netowrking
[10:24] <desrt> although, that said, you're telling it directly....
[10:24] <bds> hi, i have problem with gdesklets in hoary. gdesklets dont start some displays :-((
[10:24] <Nula> onno, or you can manually add your interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces
[10:24] <Raskall> Nula: I have the app and its running. I do not need to reinstall it.
[10:24] <chx_> desrt: yes, I know what I need , I have found a good document on booting from USB HDD, the only problem is that it begins with gunzip initrd... which fails.
[10:24] <holycow> oh holy moly, gleidescope screen saver should cause quite a few seizures
[10:24] <holycow> rofl
[10:24] <holycow> this is great
[10:24] <onno> internet works fine under dhcp
[10:25] <shmoolik> #amarok
[10:25] <onno> so what can I configure more?
[10:25] <desrt> chx_; ...
[10:25] <Nula> Raskall, you said how you could get amule; miss communication I guess ;)
[10:25] <desrt> chx_; just update your mkinitrd settings and reinstall your kernel
[10:25] <desrt> it will do everything for you
[10:25] <Raskall> nula: its just that when I minimized amule it lost all connection to the gui. :) I want to raise it again.
[10:25] <netsniper> every time i boot up, if eth0 isn't plugged it, takes long time to boot
[10:25] <Raskall> guess i will just kill the app and restart it.
[10:26] <Nula> onno, did you follow the Firestarter wizard and assign the correct eth device for external and internal network?
[10:26] <Nula> Raskall, you probably have to kill it then
[10:26] <Burgundavia> netsniper, known, bug, going to be fixed int he next version hopefully
[10:26] <onno> You can't miss
[10:26] <netsniper> Burgundavia, isn't there a workaround?
[10:26] <onno> Firestarter says it for you!
[10:27] <Burgundavia> netsniper, not really
[10:27] <netsniper> Burgundavia, like setting the timeout lower?
[10:27] <Burgundavia> netsniper, shoudl be, but I don;t know how
[10:27] <netsniper> Burgundavia, i coud do this in Gentoo easily with "dhcpcd --timeout 7"
[10:27] <Nula> onno, my guess is that only one of your interfaces is configured properly. are you trying to share internet ??
[10:27] <MuWu2> anyone successfully installed svgalib_helper under Hoary?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> netsniper, ubuntu uses dhclient, see if that has a setting
[10:28] <bds> je tu nejaky cech?
[10:28] <netsniper> Burgundavia, dont see one :-(
[10:28] <Burgundavia> netsniper, then you are out of luck
[10:28] <trilokesh> how can i add new users to my system  ?
[10:28] <tga> trilokesh: adduser
[10:28] <Burgundavia> trilokesh, system-->admin-->users and groups
[10:28] <duken> adduser
[10:28] <onno> ok
[10:28] <bds> pls help with gdesklets
[10:29] <netsniper> Burgundavia, do you know where the networking stuff is being executed?  maybe in /etc/init.d/networking scripts?
[10:29] <sp3tt> The installer says no partionable media found.
[10:29] <sp3tt> What should I do?
[10:29] <trilokesh> Burgundavia, thanks a lot again :)
[10:30] <onno> Nula, ok the problem is with internet sharing
[10:30] <onno> eth1 is ins't ready
[10:30] <sp3tt> I have two disks, but they are both NTFS. IS that the problem?
[10:31] <linux_galore> sp3tt: suspect it is
[10:31] <onno> so you prob. Right not correct congifured bu how do I correctly configure it to share internet
[10:31] <sp3tt> How do I solve it?
[10:31] <linux_galore> sp3tt: need to partition the hardisk first as vfat
[10:31] <Burgundavia> netsniper, should be
[10:31] <linux_galore> or fat32
[10:31] <sp3tt> How? Can't I do that with the installer?
[10:32] <linux_galore> sp3tt: not with NTFS
[10:32] <Effie_> moin
[10:32] <Nula> onno, open your /etc/network/interfaces and copy the lines that are for eth0 for eth1
[10:32] <sp3tt> Ok, back to windows then.
[10:32] <linux_galore> sp3tt: NTFS is 100% proprietry not like FAT32
[10:32] <MyNameIsChris> Hello everyone, I pwned Grub and am currently living it up in Warty Live CD town. I know how to fix this with two other distros which aren't Ubuntu :'(. Please help me
[10:32] <Nula> onno, then run the Firestarter wizard again
[10:33] <MyNameIsChris> Need to reinstall her
[10:33] <onno> uhm wich lines are that I should copy?
[10:33] <chx_> An easier question. If I'd install Ubuntu in Expert mode , would I be able to specify the modules to load?
[10:33] <tga> I'm having trouble installing mplayer from the marillat sources.. what source should I use for hoary?
[10:33] <linux_galore> sp3tt: PClinuxOS or Mandrake can partition and resize NTFS for you then you can install Ubuntu
[10:33] <Nula> onno, iface eth1 inet dhcp
[10:34] <Nula> well.. actually it probably won't be dhcp.. but the firestarted wizard should take care of that
[10:34] <sp3tt> Meh, I*ll do it from windows.
[10:34] <shmoolik> how can i test my webcam ? ( does any one here knows a nice webcam program? )
[10:34] <sp3tt> Ehm, wtf, Windows can't partition as FAt32?
[10:34] <sp3tt> *Format
[10:34] <onno> Ok that line is raplaced should I restart the computer?
[10:35] <linux_galore> sp3tt: yes it can
[10:35] <farruinn> MyNameIsChris: just grub?
[10:35] <MyNameIsChris> Yes please
[10:35] <sp3tt> The format menu shows only NTFS.
[10:35] <sp3tt> The disk is 250GB, SATA.
[10:35] <Kilter> do what from winblows?
[10:35] <sp3tt> Could that the be the problem
[10:35] <Nula> onno, try /etc/init.d/network restart
[10:35] <tga>  mplayer-586: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be instal
[10:35] <linux_galore> sp3tt: aah nasty need to see if you can get a copy of Partition Magic (wink wink)
[10:35] <Nula> onno, oops
[10:35] <sp3tt> Format my secondary drive as FAT32
[10:36] <MyNameIsChris> farruinn, With other versions of the Debian installer I can rescue= and the run /sbin/grub-install. But not this time
[10:36] <Nula> onno /etc/init.d/networking restart .. ignore the first one
[10:36] <mactiny> anyone knwo why gnome was used instead of kde.. what were the deciding factors?
[10:37] <onno> same problem
[10:37] <linux_galore> mactiny: eer there is Kubuntu
[10:37] <tga> mactiny: Gnome looks better in brown
[10:37] <Burgundavia> mactiny, mark felt taht gnome was better
[10:37] <ncp> i have found som nice icons, is there an way to install them, so they are being used om the system?
[10:37] <onno> Nula, it is still complaining about eth0 in Firestarter and on the command line about eth1?
[10:37] <linux_galore> Burgundavia: even though most users used KDE
[10:38] <sp3tt> So there is no way to format a drive as FAt32? Win XP Prov
[10:38] <Burgundavia> linux_galore, questionable, and not really the topic of this channel
[10:38] <sp3tt> *Pro.
[10:38] <Burgundavia> sp3tt, the installer should ask you
[10:38] <farruinn> MyNameIsChris: if grub is messed up then I guess you can't boot ubuntu from harddrive at all, right? I'm not sure if there's a rescue option on the livecd but I think there might be on the install cd...
[10:38] <onno> Nula, it was only one line I needed to copy in that file?
[10:38] <sp3tt> It doesn't.
[10:38] <Burgundavia> sp3tt, as will computer management
[10:38] <sp3tt> The drive is formatted as NTFS.
[10:38] <linux_galore> Burgundavia: ones thoughts and reality are never the same
[10:38] <farruinn> mactiny: the truth is many of the ubuntu developers are also gnome developers
[10:38] <Nula> onno, that's really odd.. I have never setup ICS through firestarter. I have always manually configured that so I'm not sure what the firestarted wizard does/expects
[10:38] <Burgundavia> linux_galore, please don't insult my intelligence and please, not a topic for this intelligence
[10:39] <Burgundavia> linux_galore, make that channel
[10:39] <Burgundavia> sp3tt, do the partitioning yourself, don't choose the default
[10:39] <MyNameIsChris> farruinn, I could not find a rescue option on the install CD.
[10:39] <arkais> splash image on grub, sombody successfull in this area?
[10:39] <sp3tt> It said no partitionable media found >_>
[10:39] <linux_galore> Burgundavia: you used another opinion to leverage your own...now who's insult who here
[10:39] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, there is a rescue option in grub
[10:40] <Nula> onno, I do suggest you try configuring eth1 through the graphical tool I told you about
[10:40] <onno> But what is there to configure?
[10:40] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, Could you please explain, usually I would just run grub-install but I am having no luck
[10:40] <Nula> by default only the eth device you specify during setup gets configured or activated
[10:40] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, assuming you have already installed ubuntu, go into grub when it boots and choose rescue option.
[10:40] <linux_galore> Burgundavia: I stated fact
[10:40] <mactiny> Burgundavia.. you on one to one with mark or something?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, however, what are you trying to solve?
[10:41] <ulas2> hi
[10:41] <farruinn> I hardly think this is a worthwhile argument...
[10:41] <Burgundavia> mactiny, nope, but he hired a fair amount of gnome devs
[10:41] <promethe> Whoaa! I've just found great icon theme
[10:41] <ulas2> i was using warty.
[10:41] <promethe> Gartoon
[10:41] <ncp> is there an way to use some other icons that i have, so they are used as default on the whole system?
[10:41] <sp3tt> Are there any tools to format as FAT32 under windows?
[10:41] <Nula> onno, in your case eth0 was the device... if you go through the gui you'll see that eth1 is not configured.. I suggest you configure eth1 by assigning a static ip addres to it such as 192.168.0.1
[10:41] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, I installed 'doze so I could play Age of Mythology with my friend and in traditional Windows style it killed Grub
[10:41] <ulas2> then changed to hoary development
[10:42] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, ah, yes fun, for that you need a grub boot disk. Let me see if I can find you some good instructions
[10:42] <ulas2> now i have hoary.
[10:42] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, Thankyou
[10:42] <mactiny> how many devs are paid to work on ubuntu? and ideas?
[10:42] <ulas2> But my sources.list is a little bit of a mess. Can anyone provide me one frm the iso installation ?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> mactiny, around 10 I think
[10:43] <Burgundavia> mactiny, maybe closer to 20
[10:43] <mactiny> aah ok
[10:43] <onno> just did it doesn't work
[10:43] <onno> maybe I should try shorewall?
[10:43] <mactiny> what nationalities are they mostly?
[10:43] <daven> ulas2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[10:43] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, I can run /sbin/grub from my partition of the live cd
[10:43] <MyNameIsChris> *off
[10:43] <mactiny> where is ubuntu.. mainly based?
[10:43] <Raskall> Nula: Had to restart amule for it to show up in the systray. It works as it should now. :)
[10:43] <daven> ulas2: there's one there that claims to be vanilla
[10:43] <promethe> Can anybody help me with setting theme in KDE applications without installing kde-base and kcontrol?
[10:43] <Nula> Raskall, good deal :)
[10:44] <Nula> I'll be right back
[10:44] <farruinn> promethe: if you use kubuntu you'll probably want to /j #kubuntu
[10:44] <ulas2> daven, got it. thanx!
[10:44] <andrei> promethe, i just wanted to ask something similar. how to change the font size
[10:44] <MyNameIsChris> farruinn, If he ran Kubuntu he would have kde-base
[10:44] <promethe> farruinn I'm using Ubuntu and I just hate KDE
[10:44] <daven> ulas2: no problem - good luck!
[10:44] <farruinn> promethe: you need kcontrol installed to change themes
[10:45] <andrei> farruinn, kcontrol shows no settings. i've just installed it
[10:45] <promethe> Hmm... I know, then i've only need qtconfig for setting QT applications
[10:45] <tga>  mplayer-386: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[10:45] <promethe> But I want change theme in eg. celestia
[10:45] <tga> any idea how to fix this?
[10:45] <promethe> tga force older version
[10:46] <mactiny> Burgundavia, any chance you know where ubuntu dev is primarily based, and what countries do the 20 hired devs cme from... any ideas?
[10:46] <Zomb> does Ubuntu set the default-release in apt-configuration?
[10:46] <farruinn> mactiny: take a look around www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:46] <Burgundavia> mactiny, all over the world. mdz is in california, jdub australia
[10:47] <mactiny> oh ok
[10:47] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, read this thread http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26916.html
[10:47] <mactiny> thank you :)
[10:47] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, Cheers
[10:47] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, what you need is the 3 line command at the grub prompt
[10:47] <daven> mactiny: have you seen this? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuWorldWide it's not jsut developers though
[10:47] <Raskall> Burgundavia: Mithrandir is norwegian.
[10:48] <Burgundavia> promethe, apps will only bring in the deps they need
[10:48] <mactiny> ill have a look
[10:48] <tga> promethe: how exactly do you do that?
[10:48] <sadneophite> does anyone know how to debug usb: I have a usbstick which ran on a knoppix 2.6 kernel, suse 9 kernel but is no longer running under ubuntu, can anyone help
[10:48] <promethe> Burgundavia that's theory. But kdebase overwrittes default gnome fonts, themes settings
[10:49] <promethe> tga open synaptic
[10:49] <Burgundavia> promethe, shouldn't
[10:49] <promethe> seek for mplayer
[10:49] <promethe> tga click it
[10:49] <tga> ah, synaptic
[10:49] <promethe> Make CTRL+E
[10:49] <tga> promethe: k, thanks, got it
[10:50] <promethe> and force hoary edition :] 
[10:50] <tga> promethe: I was trying to do it with apt-get
[10:50] <Raskall> will it be a mistake to install the 2.6.11.2-kernel from breezy on hoary? I have a small problem with my wlan-card I hope will be fixed soon
[10:50] <linux_galore> better url for the developers -> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/random/UbuntuWorldWideHuge.jpg
[10:51] <claint> i am trying to help someone setup their sound card on ubuntu over ssh. the card is a i810, anyone know where i should begin?
[10:51] <linux_galore> promethe: ?? kde has its own directory for fonts/themes etc that makes no sense
[10:51] <mactiny> not be be negetive, but i have noticed that many people dont seem to like the whole brown theme of ubuntu. Do you know of any development in the area of looks?
[10:51] <tga> claint: if alsa and hotplug are installed it should Just Work
[10:51] <mactiny> i understand its mostly opinion really
[10:52] <mactiny> perhaps we a flashy backround
[10:52] <Raskall> the two norwegian developers are actually getting married. :)
[10:52] <tga> mactiny: that's sooo irrelevant
[10:52] <mactiny> haha
[10:52] <mactiny> fair enough
[10:52] <mactiny> but you only get one first impression
[10:52] <tga> mactiny: althought it allows one to chose distros by colour.. the "red distro" or the "green distro" or.. the "brown distro"
[10:53] <mactiny> and for windows converts.. youd be suprized how much it matters
[10:53] <farruinn> I like the brown look, to me it's distinctive
[10:53] <linux_galore> claint: i810 is both the chipset and the sound chipset....there should be i810 support
[10:53] <tga> I like the SuSE green
[10:53] <mactiny> i aqgree with the bornw idea
[10:53] <mactiny> falls in nicely with the african theme
[10:54] <daven> i like the brown - and i think you can change it, anyway
[10:54] <ulx> hi.. after installing totem-xine the ubuntu-desktop metapackage was removed
[10:54] <tga> I went with a server install and skipped gnome altogether
[10:54] <tga> I have no brown on my system
[10:54] <Burgundavia> ulx, doesn't in hoary
[10:54] <linux_galore> brown or grey is OK on laptops bit raw for a large desktop screen
[10:54] <Raskall> I have my daughter as background and as much as possible transparent
[10:54] <ulx> i learned that before upgrading to hoary its better to install the desktop
[10:54] <jnoon> i continually do "rmmod pcspkr" to stop the annoying beep.  is there any way i can make that a permanent fix?
[10:55] <mactiny> but to be honest, i think the initial password area.. when you boot up.. has much more charactor than once you acutally boot in
[10:55] <Burgundavia> ulx, just install the desktop, upgarde and then change back
[10:55] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, root@ubuntu:/ # grub-install --root-directory=/boot/ /dev/sdb2
[10:55] <MyNameIsChris> /dev/sdb2 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[10:55] <linux_galore> gdm is a nice login manager
[10:55] <MyNameIsChris> SOrry everyone
[10:55] <tga> jnoon: grep -r pcspkr /etc/* .. see who loads it and remove the line
[10:55] <ulx> Burgundavi.. back to totem-xine right?
[10:55] <linux_galore> I prefere gdm over kdm
[10:55] <Burgundavia> ulx, yep
[10:56] <tga> I like wdm, it doesn't have the kitchen sink as a dependency
[10:56] <tga> + it works with Sun Rays
[10:56] <linux_galore> lol so true or xdm......cant complain its built in
[10:56] <ulx> Burgundavi.. should i expect problems during upgrade? in what areas?
[10:56] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, there is an easy way, I am forgetting
[10:56] <Burgundavia> ulx, depends entirely on your system. Some fail and some don't
[10:57] <jnoon> tga: /etc/modprobe.d/isapnp/isapnp.aliases:alias pnp:dPNP0800 pcspkr   .... so would i just go in that file and delete or comment that line? or will that mess something up?
[10:57] <ulx> my install is quite clean.. did not install anything but multimedia stuff
[10:58] <ulx> multimedia stuff=codecs
[10:58] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, First problem, I should have done sdb instead of sdb2, but that gives the same error
[10:58] <tga> jnoon: just remove pcspkr from that alias line.. then it won't get loaded anymore
[10:58] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, grub is different, sorry I cannto help you further
[10:58] <mactiny> guys dont you think the defualt theme is a little blocky (if you know what i mean)
[10:58] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, the other way to do it is to install another copy of ubuntu, and then gut that, but that is slow and ugly hack way
[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, That is fine
[10:59] <mactiny> it just lacks presence
[10:59] <jnoon> cool thanks ill reboot now
[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, Yeah, I wil find another way
[10:59] <Burgundavia> mactiny, I happen to like the default theme. Very clean and functional
[10:59] <senectus> I'm getting "GLX" errors all of a sudden, and can no longer run 3d stuff.. any idea's on why that might be?
[10:59] <nate> hmm
[10:59] <nate> gpilotd appears to be not coexisting well with USB flash devices for me
[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, what about mkboot, I have heard of but never used it
[11:00] <nate> it seems to have locked up hard enough that I can't killall -9 gpilotd even as root
[11:00] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, again, I am not the person to ask
[11:00] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, Okay, thanks for all the help thus far
[11:00] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, np
[11:00] <MyNameIsChris> To everyone, who wants to explain mkboot
[11:00] <chx_> OK. Once again. I am trying to boot ubuntu from an USB HDD. I have another distro. I know nothing nothing about initrd, I have not used it. Please instruct... or at least give me a url to a guide.
[11:02] <claint> tga, linux+galore: for some reason it is not working. he says he got it working with the i810 oss driver in mandrake but not with the alsa driver.
[11:02] <senectus> I'm getting "GLX" errors all of a sudden, and can no longer run 3d stuff.. any idea's on why that might be?
[11:02] <tga> claint: then just use oss
[11:03] <tga> claint: remove alsa, modprobe the oss module for it
[11:03] <claint> allright hold on.
[11:04] <claint> tga: you mean remove the alsa modules?
[11:04] <tga> claint: /etc/init.d/alsa stop and stuff
[11:05] <Remenic> *sigh*.... ubuntu and usb sticks are not best friends, eh?
[11:05] <tga> Remenic: why would you say that?
[11:05] <tga> Remenic: hotplug should do the hard work
[11:05] <Remenic> you should see my dmesg output... it's horrible... and it fails to detect the usb stick
[11:06] <tga> horrible? :)
[11:06] <Burgundavia> Remenic, that would be a bug
[11:06] <Burgundavia> Remenic, file it
[11:06] <Remenic> ok
[11:06] <tga> maybe you have the usb debugging enabled
[11:06] <claint> tga: even stopping alsa gives me buncha errors.
[11:06] <Remenic> have, or should have?
[11:06] <claint> tga: but hold on...
[11:07] <oly> hi, got a small question anyone got an mp3 plugin for muine / xchat ?
[11:07] <oly> or know if one exists, ?
[11:07] <oly> or even if you can interface with muine, through perl
[11:07] <oly> ?
[11:07] <mactiny> i agree that it is very clean and uncluttered, which is in itself very good, but i do believe that in the area of personality, novice users cant appreciate ubuntu as a whole, in their minds, they cant see the glorious underpinnings, their minds are purely stuck on how it looks and feels.( initially of course). I guess its kinda arrogant of me to try and tell you gusy what to do, when i am not willing to do it myself, i just have felt thi
[11:07] <mactiny> some time now. I guess my feelings stem from the fact that if ubuntu looked simply amazing, the uptake would be much more. But enough ranting on my side, i do appreciate all that you guys are doing and have achieved.
[11:07] <Burgundavia> oly, gstreamer-mad
[11:07] <Burgundavia> oly, that will do it
[11:07] <\sh> strange
[11:08] <senectus> I'm getting "GLX" errors all of a sudden, and can no longer run 3d stuff.. none of the things on the forum seem to help.. I've spent 7 hours trying to fix it can no one help? :-/
[11:08] <\sh> my new network configuration is not working
[11:08] <onno> Well i just got a DCHP problem left,  No subnet declaration for eth1 (192.168.0.1).
[11:08] <onno>  is in the logs what should I do with it?
[11:08] <oly> okay will check that out Burgundavia
[11:08] <Burgundavia> mactiny, I haven't heard much user feedback saying that brown is terribly disliked
[11:08] <Burgundavia> oly, should be in multiverse or marilliat
[11:08] <oly> already installed
[11:08] <Burgundavia> senectus, what did you do recently? and which distro
[11:08] <mactiny> its not a question of it beinf brown, i like it, its more the execution.
[11:09] <Burgundavia> oly, then it should work. Are you using warty/hoary/breezy
[11:09] <oly> how do i use that to make, the mp3s playing in muine show up in x-chat thopugh ?
[11:09] <Burgundavia> mactiny, if you specific complaints, file a bug about them
[11:09] <mactiny> breezy.. is that a new release
[11:09] <oly> like i can with xmms
[11:09] <\sh> auto lo eth0 \n mapping eth0 \n script /usr/bin/guessnet-ifupdown \n map home \n map work \n iface home inet ppp \n provider dsl-provider \n iface work inet dhcp
[11:09] <andrei> can anyone provide me with a sample kderc file ? i just need the lines that specify the font settings. thanks
[11:09] <Burgundavia> oly, show up in xchat?
[11:09] <oly> yeah, so it shows what mp3 is playing
[11:09] <Burgundavia> andrei, you might have better luck at #kubuntu
[11:09] <\sh> andrei: for what? start kcontrol
[11:09] <oly> currently,
[11:09] <onno> Firestarter can't start dhcpd because it complains... How can I solve this?
[11:10] <senectus> Burgundavia, No changes to the distro other than installing a game into cedega, I'm using KDE in a an  upgraded warty install to hoary..
[11:10] <Burgundavia> oly, that would be a xmms plugin. I guess muine doesn't have it
[11:10] <hua> I like netinstall,  can Ubuntu do it.
[11:10] <Remenic> smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[11:10] <Remenic> wtf?
[11:10] <oly> yeah i know its an xmms plugin, i want something similar for muine :p
[11:10] <oly> can you interface with muine using perl ?
[11:10] <mactiny> thank you for everthing guys
[11:10] <mactiny> i shall see you
[11:10] <Burgundavia> mactiny, see ya
[11:10] <oly> as i could not find much info on that if you can
[11:11] <mactiny> wish you well
[11:11] <andrei> \sh, kcontrol does not work for me. i dont have full kde installed. just some libs. i need to set up fonts manualy.
[11:11] <Burgundavia> oly, you might have better luck asking at #muine , if it exists
[11:11] <oly> okay, will try Burgundavia thxs
[11:11] <Burgundavia> oly, #muine on irc.gimp.org
[11:11] <\sh> andrei: bad..i don't have any fontsettings in kderc
[11:11] <claint> tga: modprobing i810 doesn't seem to wrok either.hmmm
[11:12] <daven> hua: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu talks about installing over a network, is that any help?
[11:12] <onno> ?
[11:12] <oly> thx Burgundavia, trying there now
[11:12] <daven> hua: about the 5th link down - NetBootInstallHowTo
[11:13] <Burgundavia> oly, http://muine.gooeylinux.org/plugins.shtml
[11:13] <hua> Let me see, thanks!
[11:13] <daven> hua: it doesn't look as easy as installing from an iso, tho!
[11:13] <Remenic> http://www.stellingwerff.com/usbstick.log
[11:14] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, I may have a solution and am rebooting, cross your fingers for me
[11:14] <claint> so how do i remove alsa from starting at boot time?
[11:14] <senectus> Burgundavia, does what I said make sense?
[11:15] <andrei> \sh, maybe they aren't in kderc. i only i could find out where kde stores the font settings..
[11:15] <Burgundavia> senectus, hmm, odd
[11:15] <oly>  thxs again Burgundavia
[11:15] <bestadvocate> hello, anyone know how to get rox to open files?
[11:15] <daven> remenic: i'm not particularly good with usb, but just to make sure you've checked this: it still works on other computers, right, it's not the hardware?
[11:15] <Remenic> it still works on other machines
[11:15] <hua> Why?
[11:15] <daven> remenic: :)
[11:15] <Remenic> ah it works again
[11:15] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate, you might want to try #rox
[11:15] <Remenic> I unloaded uhci_hcd and then reloaded it
[11:16] <Remenic> not a great solution, but I can live with it
[11:16] <Remenic> hrm, and now it fails again when unplugging it
[11:16] <senectus> Burgundavia, it was all working fine last night and this morning.. but about 60 seconds into the playing the game, xorg crapped itself and rebooted, after that NO 3d stuff works.. not even glxgears
[11:16] <bestadvocate> Burgundavia: thats my backup plan but I'm here so often I thought I would give it a shot here first :)
[11:16] <daven> remenic: just think of how much you're learning ;)
[11:17] <Remenic> daven: heh, I'm learning I shouldn't have moved to ubuntu :P
[11:17] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate, not really many rox usera
[11:17] <sobersabre> ter. It works, he was able to
[11:17] <sobersabre> start jobs.
[11:18] <daven> remenic: surely the advantages outweigh the disadvantages - it works well for most things, and installing new software is relatively simple with synaptic!
[11:18] <Remenic> daven: true, I like synaptic :)
[11:18] <bestadvocate> Burgundavia: that channel is empty :(
[11:18] <Remenic> daven: it's the only thing I like over gentoo and archlinux though
[11:18] <Remenic> so far
[11:18] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate, but they say they are friendly
[11:19] <daven> remenic: i've not tried them, but i've tried suse and redhat etc, and i find i always get confused with dependencies
[11:19] <Remenic> daven: in gentoo and archlinux I had a much more 'just works' feeling :/
[11:19] <Remenic> daven: yeah, package management is good in ubuntu
[11:19] <Remenic> loooots of software :)
[11:20] <daven> hua: the netboot install looks more complicated than just putting in the iso and rebooting :)
[11:20] <sadneophite> has anyone ever got a khubd timeout error in the kernel error logs?
[11:20] <Remenic> why won't nautilus show the usb disk in the 'Computer' thing???
[11:21] <AilleantSian> is there anyone here that can help with a problem i have with wireless pcmica card?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> Remenic, if it can mount it, it shoud
[11:21] <Burgundavia> Remenic, what does dmesg say?
[11:21] <daven> hua: because as far as i can see you have to have a linux of some kind installed already
[11:21] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, :'(
[11:21] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, darn
[11:21] <Remenic> Burgundavia: it is mounted, nautilus even showed the contents of the usb disk
[11:21] <Remenic> Burgundavia: but it doesn't show it in the 'Computer' screen, nor in the side panel
[11:21] <Burgundavia> Remenic, then that would be a bug, file it
[11:21] <JinxColor> Hey All - I'm having a prob with X11, my xorg.conf is bad - how do I reset it to default conf file?
[11:21] <daven> remenic: i spent all of last weekend trying to install gentoo - it looked nice, and i had a good feeling about it, but there's some technical knowledge i'm currently missing ;)
[11:22] <Remenic> Burgundavia: I can only fill it if I know what's wrong
[11:22] <Remenic> Burgundavia: a 'it doesn't work!' doesn't help anyone
[11:22] <hua> daven: I have install linux many times, I have ADSL,so I like install via it.
[11:23] <Remenic> daven: ah :) yeah, gentoo requires you to do more things manually
[11:23] <senectus> JinxColor, this will do it
[11:23] <Burgundavia> Remenic, you have a specific bug. with output to prove it
[11:23] <MyNameIsChris> So, has anyone ever had GRUB owned by Windows and then fixed it?
[11:23] <senectus> JinxColor, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:23] <Remenic> daven: something I secretly like very much...
[11:23] <daven> hua: it might be just the thing for you then! i've not tried it :)
[11:23] <JinxColor> thank you senectus
[11:23] <farruinn> Remenic: dmesg might have some clues
[11:23] <AilleantSian> ubuntu is seeing my wireless card as a block volume does anyone know how to sort that as its not seeing it as what it is
[11:23] <Remenic> farruinn: it doesn't, I just checked
[11:23] <farruinn> Remenic: or not
[11:23] <daven> remenic: yes, it was really interesting the way that i was having to set the whole filesystem up from scratch.  i think that once i've managed it, i'll know a lot more.  but - in the meantime - ubuntu generally works well ;)
[11:23] <sobersabre> guys, i am on sarge. if i put ubuntu repos in the apt/sources.list and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade  do i get an ubuntu system ?
[11:24] <Remenic> I'll reboot in a sec, to see if the problem persists
[11:24] <senectus> JinxColor, np... Any chance you know anything about GLX errors?
[11:24] <JinxColor> senectus : no I'm a total noob lol
[11:24] <Remenic> daven: you might also want to check archlinux. The software repository leaves much to be desired, but it's a lot faster to install, and has a pretty good 'gentoo' feel :)
[11:25] <JinxColor> truth is I don't know how to navigate away from my irc client back to shell
[11:25] <senectus> JinxColor, bugger :-P I'm at the end of my tether :-(
[11:25] <Burgundavia> Remenic, and is the current darling of osnews
[11:25] <krrh> Anyone had luck applying the swsusp2 patch to Ubuntu's kernel source?
[11:25] <Remenic> Burgundavia: heh yeah that too :)
[11:25] <daven> remenic: one to put on my "try on vmware" list :)
[11:25] <senectus> JinxColor, ctrl-alt f1
[11:25] <JinxColor> yeah I know that is is possible in same term?
[11:25] <senectus> JinxColor, and ctrl alt f7 to get back
[11:25] <Remenic> daven: ok :) rebooting now, brb.
[11:25] <JinxColor> not f7 im in shell
[11:26] <JinxColor> x11 won't run so i cant get gnome started
[11:26] <senectus> ahhh
[11:26] <hua> daven: I like it because I don't have an disk of ubuntu. I install it from win98 with an iso, but I don't like win98. I have install sarge via two floppies-it is very cool.
[11:26] <senectus> umm ctl alt f2 :-) new xhell
[11:26] <JinxColor> rgr
[11:26] <senectus> umm ctl alt f2 :-) new shell
[11:26] <JinxColor> senectus ty brb
[11:27] <daven> hua: yes i've done quite a few debian netinstalls - better than downloading 7 or so CDs!  because ubuntu is only 1 CD, i've not been so bothered
[11:28] <JinxColor> senectus : saying xserver-org isn't installed
[11:28] <krrh> Anyone running Ubuntu on a Inspiron 1000?
[11:29] <senectus> JinxColor, you still on warty?
[11:29] <JinxColor> hoary
[11:29] <senectus> JinxColor, hoary should be xorg :-/
[11:30] <lunitik> JinxColor: cuz it is 'xserver-xorg'  :|
[11:30] <Smeven> hi
[11:30] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, Not sure if you are interested but, woot, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows/
[11:30] <AilleantSian>  i think i might have to uninstall ubuntu and go back to windows :(
[11:30] <JinxColor> AilleantSian : don't do it!
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> why aill?
[11:30] <Burgundavia> MyNameIsChris, I knew something like that existed
[11:30] <ove_> I am running hoary on my compac nc6000 and is very pleased with how it works
[11:30] <Burgundavia> AilleantSian, why is that?
[11:30] <AilleantSian> cause i cant get my wlan to be detected its detecting it as a block volume
[11:31] <daven> after my computer has been on a few hours, my network connection stops working.  i've tried setting a static ip, so i know it's not a dhcp problem.  i'm trying to ping a computer on my local network, and it's not working.  any ideas what i could start searching for?
[11:31] <lunitik> AilleantSian: Windows out of the box won't support it either...
[11:31] <lunitik> AilleantSian: look into ndiswrapper
[11:31] <hua> daven: I want to order a cd of Ubuntu, but I feel it is unnecessry , beacause I have ADSL , and other men that havn't ADSL are more need it.
[11:31] <daven> there are so many pages on network troubleshooting that are mainly about IP addresses and the like, i think mine is deepper down
[11:31] <senectus> JinxColor, apt-get install xorg-common xserver-xorg  ?
[11:31] <AilleantSian> i have .. i have downloaded the ndis and the drivers but its not seeing the device as a wlan its seeing it as a block volume
[11:32] <Remenic> daven: well, after rebooting everything works like it should
[11:32] <daven> hua: yes, i think so too - i haven't ordered one.  why don't you download the iso?
[11:32] <Remenic> daven: problem solved :P
[11:32] <daven> remenic: lol - a handy workaround
[11:32] <Remenic> daven: I think the problem can be reproduced by leaving the usb stick in it for a LONG time
[11:32] <JinxColor> senectus : do that?
[11:32] <Remenic> maybe it sort of times out then, dunno
[11:32] <Remenic> but doesn't properly unregister
[11:32] <Smeven> I am trying to get a pcmcia card to work, wifi card, pcmcia, acx100.....driver automatically loaded when i plugged in the card, and i have wlan0 in iwconfig, however, i cannot get the lights on the card to illuminate or wlan0 will not get an address from the ap.
[11:33] <daven> remenic: have you googled? i guess usb disk timeout might come up with something
[11:33] <senectus> JinxColor, that will install xorg for you :-P
[11:33] <Remenic> daven: I'll do that now :)
[11:33] <daven> remenic: the tricky thing is finding the search term that gets your problem, and not all the other problems you don't have!  that's my problem right now :)
[11:33] <AilleantSian> anyone have any ideas of what i can try next to get this working
[11:33] <Smeven> any ideas?
[11:33] <FreezerX> Is there a tool for gnome like the klipper in KDE to get text into memory. Copy & Paste from one application to another doesn't always work
[11:34] <Remenic> daven: yeah that's something that's always been difficult
[11:34] <Remenic> daven: even after years :)
[11:34] <Remenic> many years
[11:34] <AilleantSian> Smeven : im having a prob as well with pcmica card
[11:34] <ogb> hi :)
[11:34] <Smeven> AilleantSian: wifi?
[11:35] <ogb> Do I have to make an initrd image for booting my own kernel?
[11:35] <ICU> FreezerX, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#clipboard-daemon
[11:35] <AilleantSian> aye wlan .. but the drivers are installed but its not seeing the device right
[11:35] <hua> daven: I have downloaded  it, but is in win98,  and the win98  is illegal-I don't real buy it.
[11:35] <FreezerX> ICU, thank you
[11:35] <daven> hua: right, but can't you burn the iso to a cd?
[11:36] <Remenic> damn, why didn't I know of ubuntuguide before
[11:36] <Remenic> the installation should mention these sites!
[11:36] <claint> still can't get this sound card to work. of course it is over ssh, but hey.
[11:37] <daven> remenic :)
[11:37] <\sh> Remenic: it's not an official site
[11:37] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, Okay, here I go again
[11:37] <Remenic> \sh: it should be! :P
[11:38] <JinxColor> senectus : got dkpg to work wasn't spelling was doing xserver-org instead of xorg-xserver
[11:38] <JinxColor> :P
[11:38] <senectus> JinxColor, cool :-)
[11:39] <\sh> hmm..i should check up with debian support sites..i'm really wandering why my network setup is not working...
[11:39] <daven> \sh, remenic: it's a shame they don't join the official team!
[11:40] <\sh> daven: so they have the chance not to be blamed if something goes wrong with their guides ;)
[11:40] <JinxColor> senectus : one more - how do i restart the xserver
[11:40] <hua> daven : no. I haven't a cdrw, and I feel it is no need. But I have a REDHAT9 which is I bought, but when I met Debian and Ubuntu I havn't leave them two. I don't want install another linux distribution.
[11:40] <senectus> JinxColor, umm gdm
[11:40] <MyNameIsChris> Burgundavia, :D
[11:40] <MyNameIsChris> Good to be back
[11:40] <crit0> hello can anyone help me, i'm having trouble with warty, i cannot open certain apps
[11:41] <Burgundavia> crit0, which ones?
[11:41] <Smeven> does the version of the acx100 driver in ubuntu?
[11:41] <Smeven> err
[11:42] <Smeven> what is the version of the acx100 driver in ubuntu?
[11:42] <crit0> Burgundavia, i cannot open most apps which require root permissions
[11:42] <crit0> Burgundavia, such as synaptic
[11:42] <hua> daven : do you listen music online via Ubuntu, can you tell me some webpage like this.
[11:42] <JinxColor> senectus : woohoo gui's again!
[11:43] <njs12345> I updated to hoary, and when I try to login to phpMyAdmin, I get this:
[11:43] <njs12345> #1045 - Access denied for user: 'www-data@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[11:43] <Burgundavia> crit0, they ask for your password
[11:43] <senectus> JinxColor, glad I could help :-)
[11:43] <crit0> Burgundavia, no it just won't open on clicking
[11:43] <daven> hua: oh, i understand!  that's annoying!
[11:43] <crit0> Burgundavia, i can run them through root termiinal
[11:44] <daven> hua: i don't listen to music online, i'm afraid.  i listen to my CDs, or internet radio :-s
[11:44] <senectus> I'm getting "GLX" errors all of a sudden, and can no longer run 3d stuff.. none of the things on the forum seem to help.. I've spent 7 hours trying to fix it doesn't anyone have a suggestion??
[11:44] <munki> Hey peep, anybody knows a good artist-site, who makes nice icons for Gnome ?
[11:45] <njs12345> munki: http://jimmac.musichall.cz
[11:45] <munki> njs12345 , thanks :)
[11:45] <njs12345> munki: np
[11:45] <visor> hi people :)
[11:46] <hua> daven : some one say Ubuntu is diver from Debian is not a good thing. I don't agree, what do you think?
[11:46] <Remenic> *burrrrrrrrrrrrrp*
[11:46] <daven> hua: i've not really thought too hard about it.  personally i find ubuntu much more usable as a desktop than debian.
[11:46] <Remenic> sorry about that
[11:47] <visor> why is there so much discussion about that topic these days?
[11:47] <daven> hua: but maybe i didn't try so hard with debian :)
[11:48] <onno> Ok the firewall(firestarter) can't start dhcp server
[11:48] <\sh> daven: because there is not much difference between ubuntu and debian...my opinion: debian is nice for servers, but ubuntu took the advantages from debian to the desktop...cause most of the guys from the debian team are console geeks  ,-)
[11:48] <hua> daven : yes , I gree it. Ubuntu is more usable. Do you can do everything you want via Ubuntu?
[11:49] <njs12345> \sh: I'd like to think that most of the people on the ubuntu team are "console geeks" as well :P
[11:49] <njs12345> given the fact that you need to be fairly proficient with the console in order to even come close to making debs :P
[11:49] <\sh> njs12345: well, did I forgot the ,-)
[11:49] <\sh> forget even
[11:50] <onno> dhcp server is a proble
[11:50] <ice_1963> ./
[11:50] <visor> uhmm but why is many people upset, what could be so bad about forking a debian distro, i still dont understand this fundamentalism
[11:50] <\sh> njs12345: finally, if you can't handle the console, then forget about working with unix at all
[11:51] <AilleantSian> how do you find out what chipset your wlan card is using?
[11:51] <Jerub> AilleantSian: you might be able to tell via lspci
[11:51] <Jerub> or by looknig at its MAC address maybe
[11:51] <daven> \sh: there is a server install option for ubuntu, but i've not tried it.  you're right that debian leaves you fairly bare at first install :)
[11:51] <njs12345> AilleantSian: try this
[11:52] <AilleantSian> Jerub: ubuntu isnt seeing it as a wlan card so its not picking it up with lspci
[11:52] <daven> hua: other than losing my network connection every so often (and my mouse disappears after i VNC into the box) it's great.
[11:52] <njs12345> lspci | grep -i network
[11:52] <visor> why i fell like no one is paying atention at my comments... :(
[11:52] <sparkling> hi all
[11:52] <daven> visor: well, i've no idea why there's so much discussion, and i don't know why people are upset about forking - that's why i didn't reply :) i still read them!
[11:52] <sparkling> i've an Ati graphic card and i want to enable the graphic acceleration.how i can do it?
[11:52] <Reller> Can anyone recomend a good soundcard, cuz me soundstorm truly sounds crappy in *nix. Or even better help me configure it  :)
[11:53] <visor> daven: good, i thought my messages didnt arrived or something :P
[11:53] <njs12345> sparkling: sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver-xorg; sudo fglrxconfig; sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:53] <daven> sparkling: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto more info here :)
[11:53] <daven> visor :)
[11:54] <sparkling> tnx daven
[11:54] <visor> daven: at least i know that for sure, yet, dont worry i was not trying to start a discussion about the debian stuff, just i had this question cause i been busy with some other stuff and yesterday i read all this mess that has become the debian vs. ubuntu
[11:55] <\sh> visor: well, wait until someone will fork Gentoo...then u will get a fight ,-)
[11:55] <AilleantSian> njs12345,  no luck at all :(
[11:55] <hayden> what file holds the modules that load on boot?
[11:56] <visor> it seemed funny actually, because i joined the debianmexico channel and it has this "ubuntu is not debian so go somewhere else..." message attitude
[11:56] <visor> haha
[11:56] <njs12345> AilleantSian: what, nothing?
[11:56] <njs12345> that's quite strange..
[11:57] <AilleantSian> njs12345,  on the device manger it sees it as a block volume
[11:57] <daven> hayden: some are in /etc/modules i think
[11:57] <daven> hayden: so i believe that adding modules to that file makes them load at boot.
[11:58] <hayden> ok thanks daven
[11:58] <claint> where do i stop esd from loading up for gnome?
[11:58] <AilleantSian> any ideas njs12345 ?
[11:58] <njs12345> AilleantSian: no, not realy
[11:58] <AilleantSian> :(
[11:59] <AilleantSian>  i think its a broadcom and there is drivers for it but only for fedora, redhat and suse
[11:59] <daven> claint: i turned the system sounds off, and that helped
[12:00] <daven> claint: system, preferences, sound.  untick "enable sound server startup"
[12:00] <daven> visor: nice and friendly ;)
[12:01] <hua> when I powerdown the computer, it display gdm is not running,  but i have login via gdm-session. what's wrong?
[12:02] <claint> daven: ok. there was a place where you told it to use alsa or oss or whatnot for the system, i am trying to remember where that is
[12:02] <daven> claint: ah yes.
[12:02] <daven> claint: system, preferences, multimedia something selector
[12:02] <claint> daven: found it
[12:02] <daven> claint: i had to turn the system sounds off as well - i was getting system sounds but nothing else!
[12:03] <claint> daven: i had the same problem. buncha people do.
[12:03] <daven> funny how much fiddling it took me to work it out :)
[12:04] <daven> it's still not perfect - i've got everything working except gaim - gaim doesnt' support the sound system i've ended up with
[12:04] <daven> but gaim lets you run a command when a sound is made - i need to look into that.  i think that's the way to get it working
[12:05] <ulas2> hey what do i need to do to get gaim 1.2.1 ???
[12:05] <claint> daven: someone said something along the lines of "dmix" or something.
[12:05] <claint> daven: for a solution, but i didnt look into that yet.
[12:05] <daven> claint: i've just tried running dmix, and installing it from aptitude.  neither work - a google search, later, is in order :)
[12:05] <daven> claint: thanks for the tip
[12:08] <claint> daven: np.
[12:08] <whiteknight> obviously ubuntu is running perfectly for everyone :-)
[12:08] <daven> gotta be the answer ;)
[12:09] <daven> my network is still working, so i'm a happy bunny
[12:09] <AilleantSian> no its not white i wish
[12:10] <whiteknight> my ibook running breezy isn't the happiest of bunnys but hey thats what happens when you run a development branch ;)
[12:10] <GuruFF> lo :) is there a way to manage mobile phone through ir, what application to use ?
[12:10] <HappyPills> well... mine recently crashed and burnt and corrupted anything so I switched to FreeBSD but discovered that it was extraordinarily painful to updgrade because it relies mostly on source upgrades instead of binary upgrades that take hours to compile on my computer and then there was the setup time involved with FreeBSD so in the end I stuck in my Hoary cd and clicked installed and had everything runnin
[12:10] <HappyPills> g in about 5 minutes flat so good job Ubuntu team! I just hope it doesn't corrupt again
[12:10] <AilleantSian> i cant even get online properly with ubuntu
[12:11] <HappyPills> sorry... someone said the channel was quiet =P
[12:11] <HappyPills> one thing I'll say for FreeBSD though, it's very fast
[12:11] <queuetue> Is there a way to run the CD validation step without booting off of the CD first?
[12:11] <rrichie> hi all
[12:11] <HappyPills> howdy!
[12:12] <rrichie> i'm trying  kubuntu but i have a problem : when i try modprobe ndiswrapper it says "Operation not permitted". Anyone has an idea ?
[12:12] <slept> sudo ?
[12:12] <claint> rrichie : sudo?
[12:13] <rrichie> i'm doing it as root
[12:13] <rrichie> it's strange i just installer the ndiswrapper-utils package using apt-get
[12:13] <rrichie> s/installer/installed
[12:13] <AilleantSian> rrichie did you use the package installer to install ndiswrapper?
[12:14] <HappyPills> rrichie, what does dmesg say?
[12:14] <HappyPills> and have you installed the drivers first?
[12:14] <AilleantSian> cause unstill i did that i had the same error
[12:15] <rrichie> AilleantSian : no just by typing manually apt-get ....
[12:15] <bestadvocate>  hello, I was using rhythmbox in xfce and when I try to play a song it gives me "cannot open resorce for writing" and another box that says "cannot pause playback" any suggestions?
[12:15] <ice_1963> i have never use freeBsd is  it vary good HappyPills????
[12:15] <rrichie> AilleantSian : oh ok i'll try
[12:15] <rrichie> Thanks all for the help
[12:16] <HappyPills> ice_1963, I gave up because I didn't have the patience/time to work out the differences between freebsd and debian
[12:16] <HappyPills> but it is very good
[12:16] <HappyPills> especially if you don't need a GUI
[12:16] <ice_1963> ok
[12:16] <HappyPills> there are just niggling little differences between the two that can confuse you if you havn't researched it (like me)
[12:17] <HappyPills> and it is not n00b friendly
[12:17] <ice_1963> at all =)
[12:18] <HappyPills> that said I run it on my 486 dx100 without the GUI really well =)
[12:24] <bestadvocate> eeek! theres sunlight outside!
[12:24] <HappyPills> pitch black over here
[12:26] <superted> any dutch people here?
[12:27] <bestadvocate> superted, my ancestors came from somewhare in Europe, just not really sure where. ....
[12:27] <superted> hehe, ok
[12:27] <jk> superted: yup
[12:27] <superted> i'm having a little lingua problem
[12:27] <jk> superted: a lot of them are in #ubuntu-nl too
[12:27] <superted> jk: im buying some tickets online, what does "Best beschikbaar" mean?
[12:28] <jk> superted: 'beschikbaar' means 'available', 'Best' means 'best'
[12:28] <superted> jk: ok, thanks :)
[12:28] <jk> np
[12:30] <bestadvocate> ok, so I have this theme I am using in XFCE, and most of the programs loook great, except firefox, which has black text for the menu letters, any suggestions on whether I should file the bug to firefox, the theme origionator (god knows who), ubuntu, or xfce (the program the theme belongs too?)
[12:31] <killapop> hi! i have an acer laptop running ubuntu. the hardware detection does not work. i installed ndiswrapper and the windows driver, but i still cant see 'hardware installed' when I say ndiswrapper -l. Any help will be mucho appriceated
[12:31] <Xebitx> when I try to install libstdc++6 I get this error:
[12:31] <Xebitx> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[12:31] <Xebitx> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:31] <Xebitx>   libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.0-base (>= 4.0-0pre6ubuntu7) but it is not going to be installed
[12:31] <Xebitx> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[12:31] <Xebitx> How do I get passed this?
[12:31] <jk> killapop: how did you install the windows driver?
[12:31] <Xebitx> im trying to install kasablanca
[12:33] <killapop> jk: i used -  $ndiswrapper -i mydriver.inf
[12:33] <cusco> http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
[12:33] <killapop> jk: the laptop does not need a wireless card, the wlan worked on windows without a card
[12:34] <jk> killapop: seems ok...and ndiswrapper didn't show any errors when you did the -i thingy?
[12:35] <killapop> jk: nope
[12:35] <killapop> jk: i cant see wlan0 in the list of interfaces in the networking Administrative dialog
[12:35] <killapop> jk: you think my hardware is screwed?
[12:36] <GuruFF> lo is there any way to talk to nokia through ir ?
[12:36] <queuetue> Why aren't the .iso images compressed?
[12:36] <kakalto> good night, #ubuntu
[12:37] <sdogi> good night? but it is 13:36
[12:38] <claint> if alsa is stopped and the oss module is loaded, oss just works right?
[12:38] <sdogi> yea, well stuff that can use oss works, i think most do
[12:39] <sdogi> i used only oss like 2 years, because i had some problems with alsa
[12:40] <sdogi> now i still want to know why does kubuntu suck so much
[12:40] <daven> i made the mistake of buying an sblive 24-bit, which seems the worst-supported of all the sblive cards
[12:40] <daven> still - it works now
[12:40] <sdogi> it seems almost like kde sabotage
[12:40] <jk> killapop: no, seems to be an incompatibility between ndiswrapper and your windows drivers...Aren't there native drivers for your wifi card?
[12:40] <claint> ok, apparently it does.
[12:40] <sdogi> there isn't like a single kde thing that hasn't crashed
[12:41] <Fisu> Why does Ubunty linux distribution have a multiracial hugging image on its front page? Who came up with the idea of a linux distribution in spirit of an ancient African word? Who financed Ubunty development, or was it purely a community project with no money involved?
[12:41] <killapop> jk: nope. its and inviLink built in WLan adapter
[12:41] <DagaZ> I have problems with HAL in hoary.. anyone else has this? This is a fresh install
[12:41] <sdogi> Fisu: hey, go read somewhere
[12:41] <Jerub> Fisu: you know the super rich dude who bought a trip to space on a russian rocket?
[12:41] <AilleantSian> okies i think i have to uninstall ubuntu ... cause it just wont work with my wlan card no matter what i try :(
[12:41] <Jerub> Fisu: him.
[12:41] <d> I want to get my USB pad working under Hoary- how do I get HID support? Surely its not a kernel re-compile?
[12:41] <Jerub> AilleantSian: what card is it?
[12:42] <AilleantSian> belkin pcmica F5D7011UK
[12:42] <sdogi> Fisu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_linux
[12:42] <Jerub> AilleantSian: do you know the chipset?
[12:42] <sdogi> Fisu: it should tell you all you want to know
[12:43] <AilleantSian> i believe broadcom ... and have been to thier site and they have linux drivers but for only redhat, fedora and suse
[12:43] <AilleantSian> but the drivers isnt a problem
[12:44] <AilleantSian> i have drivers with ndiswrapper for the card
[12:44] <AilleantSian> the problem is its not seeing the device as a wlan
[12:44] <AilleantSian> and the drivers say they are present but it doesnt say device present
[12:45] <AilleantSian> and in device manager it sees it as a block volume
[12:45] <promethe> Where I can find downloaded Debs by apt?
[12:45] <d> If I do a 'modprobe hid' as root under hoary it says 'module not found'
[12:46] <promethe> Where I can find downloaded Debs by apt?
[12:46] <d> Does Hoary not have full USB support out of the box?
[12:46] <promethe> d do it with sudo
[12:46] <d> did that
[12:46] <d> no hid module seems to exist
[12:46] <FreezerX> Where can I disable the touchpad?
[12:46] <cusco> I just read something interesting
[12:46] <cusco> 11:39 < Sp4r3> ?
[12:46] <cusco> ops
[12:47] <promethe> d I've got hid mouse and keyboard and it works fine
[12:47] <cusco> http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
[12:47] <d> promethe: did you have to add anything to /etc/modules or download something extra?
[12:48] <promethe> No, it works "z palca"
[12:48] <promethe> :] 
[12:48] <promethe> Where I can find sebs downloaded by apt?
[12:48] <promethe> Where I can find debs downloaded by apt?
[12:48] <d> Mandrake: Should'nt that be 'Mandriva'?
[12:49] <Mandrake> I dont use Mandrakelinux
[12:49] <d> good!
[12:49] <kzar> is it just me or does ubuntu not ask you for a root password when you install?
[12:49] <promethe> One question. Is anyone updated his/her acroread to newest version?
[12:49] <d> I like Mandrakes installer and config tools but it was normally buggy as hell
[12:49] <AilleantSian> it doesnt kzar
[12:49] <sdogi> kzar: it doesn't
[12:50] <kzar> thats backwards, what is the default?
[12:50] <duken_> helo
[12:50] <duken_> whereis i put images splash-screen ?
[12:50] <sdogi> does the evolution junk mail thingy even work?
[12:50] <daven> kzar: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:50] <duken_> where directory ?
[12:50] <sdogi> i mean, i like added slashdot to junk mail and i still get those
[12:51] <sdogi> seems like totally pointless
[12:51] <kzar> thanks daven
[12:51] <claint> anyone know which package mpg123 is in?
[12:51] <daven> kzar: :) it confused me for a bit too ;)
[12:51] <sdogi> claint: mpg321
[12:51] <sdogi> claint: i think
[12:51] <promethe> Can anyone who installed acroread 7 type in terminal acroread?
[12:51] <promethe> Wjat did you get?
[12:51] <sdogi> claint: yes
[12:52] <sdogi> claint: mpg123 was like non-free or something, so they made a clone and called it mpg321 :)
[12:52] <kengur> hi, can someone tell me a quick way to trim a file (movie)?
[12:52] <AilleantSian> Jerub,  any ideas?
[12:53] <Nap> hello
[12:53] <Jerub> AilleantSian: none
[12:53] <Nap> I have a problem with FTP sites in Nautilus
[12:53] <Nap> I can't follow links
[12:53] <Nap> links to directories
[12:53] <Jerub> AilleantSian: I set up my netgear WG511T this week, if it were the same chipset, I could help you.
[12:53] <Nap> Nautilus try to open the file instead
[12:53] <kzar> daven: i do "sudo passwd root" to try and get the root account working like it says, but it keeps saying "Sorry, try again."
[12:53] <claint> sdogi: thanks mate.
[12:53] <Jerub> kzar: do sudo su
[12:53] <Jerub> kzar: then type passwd
[12:54] <d> Anybody got a USB joypad working under Hoary?
[12:54] <kzar> ok
[12:54] <sdogi> kzar: sudo passwd should be enough really
[12:54] <daven> kzar: try sudo bash
[12:54] <sdogi> no need for root
[12:54] <claint> i kinnna wish ubuntu init.d services had status option
[12:54] <kzar> sudo su asks for a frigging password too
[12:54] <sdogi> because when you write sudo then it means super-user do anyway :)
[12:54] <daven> kzar: it's asking for your current user password!
[12:54] <jsg> why do you want to sudo su?
[12:54] <Nap> kzar: when you do sudo passwd, the first password it asks is your password, in order to run the "passwd" command
[12:54] <sdogi> sudo su shouldn't really work
[12:54] <kzar> oh i see
[12:54] <sdogi> yeah
[12:54] <Jerub> Nap: no, not as rot
[12:55] <sdogi> and then the second and third is roots
[12:55] <Jerub> as root, you can just change any passwd, including root's.
[12:55] <kzar> why can't it just ask for the root password at install
[12:55] <Jerub> kzar: becasue it's silly when you can do everything via sudo
[12:55] <sdogi> well sudo is considered safer option or something
[12:55] <Nap> Jerub: yes, but I think he is not root when he types "sudo"
[12:55] <topyli> ubuntu-calendar is not brown this month :(
[12:55] <jsg> SUDO has auditing capabilities unlike being root or su
[12:55] <kzar> I don't care
[12:56] <sdogi> it is like, when people can become root just by writing su, then they will, and it is bad security
[12:56] <kzar> its my pc, I want root access!
[12:56] <jsg> in SUDO you know who messes up your system
[12:56] <aliasd> heh
[12:56] <njs12345> kzar: sudo -s
[12:56] <jsg> kzar you're free to do your root
[12:56] <aliasd> i sudo bash
[12:56] <aliasd> :P
[12:56] <njs12345> there, you have root password
[12:56] <njs12345> *access
[12:56] <onno> I got a problem with firestarter and dhcpd can somebody help?
[12:56] <kzar> yea I know, I was awnsering the people who say its not required
[12:56] <jsg> kzar its not required yes
[12:56] <topyli> kzar: it's not
[12:56] <jiger> can someone help a Ubuntu newbie(me) :)
[12:56] <twilight> hello there
[12:57] <Burgundavia> jiger, what do you need hlpe with?
[12:57] <njs12345> jiger: what can we do but try? :)
[12:57] <Jerub> kzar: if you're in the sudoers file, you have root access ;)
[12:57] <jiger> how do I change my runlevel to boot into console first
[12:57] <Nap> so, nobody knows how to follow internal links in a FTP site with Nautilus ?
[12:57] <kzar> ok then when a program says wahts the root password? what do i type if there isnt one?
[12:57] <jiger> then I wud do startx if I want to start x
[12:57] <njs12345> kzar: type in your password
[12:57] <claint> how do i stop alsa from starting at boot time?
[12:57] <topyli> kzar: which program? the only one i've encountered was webmin
[12:58] <kzar> what is the point in that, if I have logged in already I have typed my password already so surely its redundant
[12:58] <jsg> root and su can be silly sometimes
[12:58] <twilight> (i'm italian, so sorry for my bad english)..i need to do:"dpkg-buildpackage etc..." but with the gcc-3.3 insted of the 4.0..someone can help me?
[12:58] <claint> or in fact, how do i stop any service from starting at boot time in ubuntu?
[12:58] <kzar> great root is working now at least
[12:59] <sdogi> claint: you should learn system v init, anyway basically what i do is go to /etc/rc2.S or something, or well /etc/init.d ...check things i don't like and do update-rc.d -f postfix remove in example
[12:59] <jsg> i tend to forget my root passwd so i dont bother with it that much
[12:59] <jiger> does anyone know if firefox comes bundled in KUbuntu or no? the installer added some firefox stuff but can't see it
[12:59] <sdogi> claint: it is /etc/rc2.d ...the default runlevel
[12:59] <jsg> jiger just apt it if it doesnt come with it
[01:00] <kengur> how do i trim a file using pipes?
[01:00] <claint> sdogi: update-rc.d is probably what i am looking for, thanks.
[01:00] <sdogi> claint: the names in there are with some tag.. like S20kdm ...S means start and 20 is the order... like when there would be S07postfix also, postfix would start before the kdm
[01:00] <claint> sdogi: that command changes from distro to distro you know.
[01:00] <sdogi> claint: anyway you just have to type update-rc.d -f kdm remove
[01:01] <sdogi> and if you want to add it back, then you can check stuff from /etc/init.d ...then do update-rc.d kdm defaults in exxample
[01:01] <sdogi> for more detailed info check out the system v init documentation and update-rc.d
[01:01] <claint> sdogi: thanks a bunch!
[01:02] <Deviad> Hey guys, I'm having a weird problem with the NVIDIA property module
[01:02] <Deviad> When I switch over the terminals I the screen is white
[01:02] <pmjdebruijn> lo all, anyway here using a Radeon 7000? does it work in 3D mode?
[01:02] <Deviad> when I get back to the terminal 7, the graphic one, everything is ok
[01:02] <Deviad> I repeat the operation and finally I can see the terminals properly...
[01:02] <da_bon_bon> sdogi: and what if two have the same tag ? like S20XXX and S20YYY ?
[01:02] <Deviad> I do it again and the screens are white again
[01:03] <Deviad> when I restart gdm the screen is white and I have to reboot the machine
[01:03] <Deviad> :|
[01:03] <Deviad> can anyone help me?
[01:03] <sdogi> da_bon_bon: don't remember really
[01:03] <Deviad> I have already deactivated the frame buffer
[01:03] <Deviad> pls help
[01:03] <Deviad> me
[01:03] <da_bon_bon> sdogi: ok. :)
[01:03] <sdogi> da_bon_bon: don't care either, because if i need such thing then i seperate the numbers with +1 or -1 anyway :)
[01:04] <sdogi> da_bon_bon: i guess logical way should be that the service that is with letter a should start before the one with letter b
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> sdogi: no, what if by default its that way ? i mean, two programs install themselves and both have say s20 ?
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> sdogi: ohok
[01:06] <tamarico> hello
[01:06] <tamarico> is there a way that "Shutdown" is selected by default in the "Close session" dialog ?
[01:07] <dud> I'm myself a linux IT consultant... but its one small thing I can't seem to get working on ubuntu hoary... I can't seem to get vmware 5 beta to use my sound
[01:07] <dud> that is... hoary isnt installed as a virtual machine... hoary is the OS for the computer
[01:08] <dud> none of the guest OSs can get sound
[01:08] <Deviad> Can anyone help me with my NVIDIA issue?
[01:08] <jiger> hi all does 'sudo apt update' automatically downloads and up 2 dates my system with all security fixes, etc?
[01:08] <dud>  /dev/dsp doesn't work
[01:08] <sdogi> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade i think is what you need
[01:09] <DagaZ> I have problems with HAL in hoary.. anyone else has this? This is a fresh install
[01:09] <jiger> sdogi: Ahh :)
[01:09] <sdogi> if you don't know how to use <tab> button and it is hard to type you can fetch aptitude with sudo apt-get install aptitude and then use that with sudo aptitude instead
[01:09] <DagaZ> Deviad: what is your issue?
[01:09] <dud> what is the physical sound adapter under the /dev/* subsystem in hoary?
[01:11] <Deviad> DagaZ, I get white screens when I switch over the terminals: from the graphic terminal where I have gdm to the text terminals...
[01:11] <jiger> can anyone confirm if a 2G for / and 14 G for /usr partition size is ok for run ubuntu? (No other /<partition> s are created)
[01:11] <Deviad> shortly when I switch for instance from gnome to tty1 the screen is white
[01:11] <dud> am I ignored here because my question is too hard for you all to answer?
[01:11] <dud> jiger, that will be fine
[01:11] <Deviad> wif I switch back to the terminal where is running X everything is Ok
[01:11] <Deviad> If I repeat it some times finally the text terminal works
[01:11] <sdogi> dud: not really
[01:11] <Deviad> but when I have to restart gdm the screen is white
[01:12] <sdogi> dud: i'm teasing you
[01:12] <Deviad> and I have to reboot
[01:12] <Deviad> :(
[01:12] <Deviad> That is after I loaded the NVIDIA module
[01:12] <Deviad> I tried the latest version and an older one of the drivers
[01:12] <jiger> dud: I got errors runnign 'man' something on the lines of tar...no space in /tmp etc....do I have to create seperate paritions for all will ubuntu link /tmp in / or larger /usr
[01:12] <Deviad> I have already recompiled the kernel without frame buffer to see if it solved the problem
[01:12] <Deviad> unlucky it doesn't
[01:12] <Deviad> :(
[01:12] <Deviad> any idea?
[01:12] <dud> tmp will be under the 2G root partition
[01:13] <dud> but you could link /tmp to /usr/tmp if you'd want
[01:13] <jiger> dud: Ahhh anyway to re-link it to /usr so that I don't get problems with running out of space
[01:13] <jiger> dud: how?
[01:13] <dud> just create a link from /tmp to /usr/tmp
[01:14] <dud> anyhow... don't suppose you'd be able to help me then sdogi?
[01:14] <jiger> rm -fr /tmp && ln -s /usr/tmp /tmp??
[01:14] <dud> its really bugging me
[01:14] <dud> jiger, I'd assume that would work yes :o
[01:14] <claint> hmmm, where is my rc.local? i just want to put a load up an oss module at boottime.
[01:15] <nate> hmm
[01:15] <jiger> dud: ok...pray it does...am coming from fbsd background so having tough time syncing 3-4 years gap :)
[01:15] <topyli> ah, debs for acroread 7
[01:15] <dud> rc.local is from another sysinit system claint
[01:15] <claint> dud: is there anything similar?
[01:15] <isam> a quick question : had the ubuntu apt server not touched (updated) for the past week, or there is somethingwrong with  my sources settings .. because not one it did upload any update, or show new packages (talking hoary)
[01:15] <nate> what does it mean if you go to install a package from Universe via apt-get and you get 'the following packages could not be authenticated'?
[01:16] <dud> load boot time modules in /etc/modules claint
[01:16] <nate> is it normal for Universe to contain unauthenticated packages or does this mean something is broken?
[01:16] <topyli> isam: the only update i've seen is ssleay-perl
[01:16] <claint> dud: or do i just make a script in rc6.d?
[01:16] <dud> soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... what about that vmware?
[01:16] <dud> claint, its standard to load modules in /etc/modules
[01:16] <dud> but in theory you could load them in any script that's loaded automatically during boot sequence
[01:17] <isam> topyli: thanks .. it is good that hoary had stablized .. but I am not used to not having updates every few hours as it was before the release :)
[01:17] <topyli> heh
[01:17] <nate> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe vegastrike 0.4.2-2
[01:17] <nate>   Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[01:17] <nate> any idea what that might suggest?
[01:18] <dud> sooooooooooooooooooo.... whats the physical sound device that vmware wants to have?
[01:19] <dud> this hoary sound system is darn advanced... never really liked esd myself
[01:21] <dud>  /dev/audio /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/* /dev/asound/*
[01:21] <dud> what is it with all those devices?
[01:22] <dud> I'd assume /dev/dsp would work, but it really doesnt....
[01:22] <jiger> anyone tried nvidia drivers on (k)ubuntu. are they worth going for? any issues? where can I find good howto?
[01:22] <topyli> uhhh... looks like i don't really want to install acroread-plugins. it calls home it seems :)
[01:23] <dud> jiger, works good for me... just be sure that you have matching kernel headers and nvidia drivers
[01:23] <floo> hello people first time here
[01:23] <jiger> dud: any notes u followed to install them?
[01:24] <visor> jeez, it seems this channel has grew a lot in users :)
[01:24] <jiger> I am currently running stock Kubuntu installed 2 hrs ago with no customization at all
[01:24] <floo> cananyone tell me how to install/convert a windows font for ubuntu?
[01:25] <dud> jiger, been such a long time ago... I think there's something on the wiki about it
[01:25] <jiger> dud: ok wud check it out
[01:25] <topyli> floo: put it in ~/.fonts or /usr/local/share/fonts
[01:25] <visor> jiger: convert?
[01:26] <floo> really i it that easy?
[01:26] <visor> jiger: put it in /usr/share/fonts/ttf or something like that
[01:26] <claint> is 686 kernel required for ati drivers?
[01:26] <dud> floo, linux has supported ttf a long time now :)
[01:26] <topyli> floo: ~/.fonts works at least
[01:26] <floo> cheers topyli
[01:26] <sparkling> i've finally configured the ati driver thanks for help :D
[01:26] <jiger> visor: well converted from freebsd to KUbuntu.
[01:26] <sparkling> do you think is better xorg or xfree?
[01:26] <visor> but dont put too many fonts, they slow down the programs startup as gimp i think
[01:27] <tga> meh.. the ubuntu kernel image seems b0rked
[01:27] <tga> at least the powernow-k7 module
[01:28] <tga> powernow: Minimum speed 531 MHz. Maximum speed 1462 MHz.
[01:28] <tga> start & stop powernowd
[01:28] <tga> unload module, load it back up
[01:28] <tga> powernow: Minimum speed 193 MHz. Maximum speed 531 MHz.
[01:28] <claint> sparkling: i am configuring ati drivers for someone from remote. is 686 kernel a must, do you know?
[01:29] <T_Trainer> dud, have you tried configuring esd to release sound card when it's not using it? That might solve your problem
[01:29] <visor> claint: i dont think so, they must be compiled for i386 and up...
[01:29] <jiger> how do I know about the size of security only updates and then update them if I wish to?
[01:29] <dud> T_Trainer, could you please walk me through that one? esd is sort of unknown to me you see...
[01:29] <visor> T_Trainer: what problem?
[01:30] <sparkling> claint, no i don't know..i'm a newbie :D
[01:30] <jiger> I don't want to update all software but security update to the OS yes!!
[01:30] <visor> dud: what sound problem?
[01:30] <dud> visor, vmware isnt able to use sound for guest OSs
[01:31] <dud> again, ubuntu isnt the guest OS, but the host
[01:31] <T_Trainer> dud, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, section 3
[01:32] <dud> thanks, I'll have a looksie :)
[01:32] <topyli> why do the ubuntu mplayer packages depend on xmms?
[01:32] <Raskall> do I have to install hoary and dist-upgrade to get breezy? Cant find any breezy iso-s on ubuntulinux.org.
[01:32] <Raskall> Will try to run breezy in qemu. :)
[01:32] <visor> dud: uhmm i think you need to configure esd to release the sound card when its not using it, but maybe its something else, ive never used vmware
[01:32] <tga> erm.. how come linux-image depends on lilo?
[01:32] <envel> Have anybody solved a problem with nautilus and windows network browsing?
[01:32] <visor> topyli: that is exactly what i asked myself morning
[01:33] <visor> topyli: i found that if you dont install the gmplayer (mplayer-console only) it doesnt install xmms
[01:33] <tga> heh ubuntu has some weird dependencies
[01:33] <topyli> visor: yeah, i noticed. too weird
[01:34] <envel> Heey!! I'm not invisible!
[01:35] <topyli> envel: we see you just fine :)
[01:35] <envel> topyli, thanks:)
[01:35] <dud> well, thanks a lot T_Trainer and visor... I'll just reboot X now
[01:36] <jiger> anyone know where I can get latest and working nvidia drivers for 'NVIDIA Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] ' from nvidia's website of repo?
[01:36] <Burgundavia> jiger, do the ones in the repo not work?
[01:38] <jiger> Burgundavia: not tried them? butwas wondering how to go about before breaking 10 things
[01:38] <Burgundavia> jiger, try the ones in the repo before you downloading random bytes from the net
[01:38] <topyli> ubuntu-calendar is blue. i thought we got rid of blue with ubuntu. i wand brown nudity
[01:38] <jiger> Burgundavia: ok.
[01:39] <visor> have you ever tried this cedega software for playing windows games?
[01:40] <onno> ubuntu has an ugly background. Isn't there a packedge in synaptic that installs more art for ubunut?
[01:40] <jsgotangco> onno try ubuntu-calendar
[01:40] <Timbo> Linus is a smart guy, and I'm sure he'll get over his little snit before long. But in the meantime, my god, being told to cool it by Bruce Perens is like having RMS tell you not to worry so much about whether the software is really free or not
[01:40] <gorilla_> onno, try gnome-background
[01:41] <topyli> onno: search gnome-look.org for something you like and use that
[01:42] <onno> are there any other things I can do to spice up the view
[01:42] <topyli> onno: themes
[01:42] <topyli> onno: or use enightenment and tweak to your heart's content :)
[01:44] <decon_> hey wheres the grub.conf file ?
[01:44] <visor> onno: www.gnome-look.org   and   http://art.gnome.org
[01:44] <visor> decon_: /boot/grub/menu.list
[01:44] <visor> by the way anyone tried the Acroread 7.0 moz plugin in hoary?
[01:45] <verden01> anyone know how to install vmware in ubuntu?
[01:45] <visor> it doesnt seem to work for me
[01:45] <verden01> ok
[01:46] <verden01> a forum post says to install linux header but when i apt-get it says there is no package
[01:46] <Plexys> hi, i'm trying to extract a tar file into my home folder. but although the program says it's extracting, the files don
[01:46] <Plexys> 't appear
[01:46] <onno> that ubuntu-calendar how do I use it?
[01:47] <topyli> onno: just install ubuntu-calendar and change your background settings. you'll get a new ugly background every month :)
[01:48] <florian__> comment configurer une carte son d'un portable ibm sous ubuntu
[01:48] <HappyPills> is there anywhere with examples of what the background will look like?
[01:50] <topyli> HappyPills: they used to be images of nude people on brownish ubuntu-like background but now it seems like it's another abstract blue weirdness
[01:51] <ncp> when ever i try to starter xmms, ore supertux that i just have apt-get i get "Segmentation fault" what could i be missing?
[01:52] <duken> hi
[01:53] <duken> why my xmms not sound ?
[01:53] <duken> xmms hang
[01:53] <duken> xmms like hang
[01:53] <duken> i using hoary
[01:53] <Plexys> how do i install a c++ compiler?
[01:54] <limer> I think everyone's sleeping :D
[01:54] <Plexys> i am trying to compile a tarball but i get this error when i try './configure': checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[01:54] <Ferry> install g++
[01:55] <Plexys> throug the synaptic management thing?
[01:55] <duken> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:55] <Burgundavia> Plexys, you need build-essential
[01:55] <Plexys> ok thank you
[01:56] <sewoyl> can I upgrade to 5.04 without a cd ?
[01:56] <sewoyl> (oh sorry: hello!!)
[01:56] <duken> yes
[01:56] <duken> just change your repository
[01:57] <tbird> sewoyl, just change to hoary in /etc/sources.list alt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:57] <visor> duken: have you read already the ubuntu guide?
[01:58] <duken> visor, yes
[01:58] <Plexys> ok, i think the c++ thing is ok now
[01:58] <duken> why?
[01:58] <sewoyl> tbird, and i get the whole thing ? just as if i ha dused the cd?
[01:58] <tbird> sewoyl, yeah
[01:58] <visor> sewoyl: change every warthy for "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:58] <Plexys> but now the ./configure gives me this error: Qt's moc not found! If you have installed Qt in an
[01:58] <Plexys> unusual place, please use the "--with-qt-moc=" option
[01:58] <Burgundavia> Plexys, what are you trying to build?
[01:58] <visor> duken: so you have all the codecs installed?
[01:58] <Plexys> qtella
[01:58] <cikilin> hello
[01:58] <Burgundavia> Plexys, hmm, not in the repos
[01:59] <tbird> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l
[01:59] <visor> Plexys: seems you are trying to install some QT deppendant app, install libqt3 and libqt3-devel...
[01:59] <Plexys> thanks, i will try that
[01:59] <tbird> is what i use
[01:59] <sewoyl> tbird, visor, thanks :) I used to be a fedora fan since FC1 came out but on my laptop it wont work well, I then tried Ubuntu and it's great
[01:59] <Burgundavia> Plexys, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=185647
[01:59] <cikilin> have a pb!sometimes my windows disappear!
[01:59] <tbird> sewoyl, np
[01:59] <duken> visor, i try it
[01:59] <visor> sewoyl: sure it is :)
[02:00] <bestadvocate> lol i have to share this with someone
[02:00] <bestadvocate> do you guys know luminocity?
[02:00] <visor> bestadvocate: yeah i do, why?
[02:00] <bestadvocate> the description from live.gnome.org: Luminocity is a cracktastic technology testbed for Metacity.
[02:01] <bestadvocate> :) ok i'm done
[02:01] <visor> bestadvocate: its the "apple like" code for metacity... there are some videos out there showing the code in action :)
[02:01] <cikilin> help!have a pb!sometimes my windows disappear!
[02:01] <Plexys> ok, then i guess qtella is a bad thing
[02:01] <Plexys> should i use another program for gnutella?
[02:02] <tbird> use gtk-gnutella
[02:02] <duken> visor, u mean i must installed multimedia codecs ?
[02:02] <Plexys> ok
[02:02] <visor> duken: youll try? or you already installed them? most of the times it is because of the codecs (ubuntu does not come with mp3 support by default) if not, then try changing the output plugin to esd wich is what gnome use
[02:02] <duken> visor, i try now
[02:02] <bestadvocate> vistor: cant wait till ubuntu puts out a package :) cause every time I try to build something, something goes wrong (I can't imagnine myself lasting more than a day in Slackword)
[02:03] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate, what are you looking for?
[02:03] <visor> duken: 1-: Install the codecs from the restricted packages repos, 2-: change the output to esd or esound in xmms options
[02:03] <visor> duken: better yet, use rhythmbox :P
[02:04] <bestadvocate> Burgundavia: luminocity, I am pritty sure apt-get isnt an option
[02:04] <visor> bestadvocate: i dont think that is really mature enough to be merged in metacity so dont expect to much, you may see that code into metacity maybe in a year...
[02:04] <duken> how to run rhythmbox?
[02:05] <bestadvocate> I have patience, just the hyper-active kind!!
[02:05] <visor> btw, it just seems i fixed this Acroread 7 plugin stuff.. if anyone has the same trouble just make sure the acroread binary its linked in /usr/bin or /usr/X11R6/bin in order to work embedded in firefox
[02:06] <visor> duken: rhythmbox is the "music player" in the sound menu in ubuntu
[02:06] <chaitatp> http://homepage.mac.com/machiavel/Text/cdrecord.html  This's the link of how-to burn cd in macintosh, i think someone has asked for a long time ago
[02:06] <tbird> is there a apt package for that acroread plugin ?
[02:06] <chaitatp> tbird: acroread-mozilla-plugin
[02:06] <visor> duken: seems you never used linux before, ill recommend you to read http://ubuntuguide.org there is answers for many questions there ;)
[02:06] <visor> but i meant acroread 7
[02:06] <visor> wich is not the same as in the repos
[02:07] <visor> i guess the one in repos is 5.0 or something
[02:07] <monteiro> when i burn a cd, or when i execute a lot of things at the same time my mouse breaks, and it stops for seconds, anyone knows how to solve this problem ?
[02:08] <claint> for ati: i am getting xorg-driver-fglrx, putting fglrx in /etc/modules, and replacing ati with fglrx in xorg.conf. right? if yes, i am gonna hit it.
[02:09] <chaitatp> how can i copy entire cd with cdrecord?
[02:09] <chaitatp> copy entirely from one disc and write to another disc, i mean
[02:09] <sparkling> does exist a guide to configure the tvout in an ati graphic card?
[02:10] <monteiro> chaitatp : you have gnomebaker for that :)
[02:10] <hua> my monitor is samsung syncmaster 550s , but ubuntu can't autoprobe it. do i need ' dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[02:10] <chaitatp> monteiro: shrug... i prefer command line
[02:10] <tbird> chaitatp, you can create a iso and burn it like this --> http://ham.spa.umn.edu/crumley/cd-r_instructions
[02:11] <claint> chaitatp : the safe way is to make an iso first and then write it, but you can also do both and stream if you have a decent computer. see the old "Cd-writing howto" from the web for more details
[02:11] <chaitatp> thx tbird... Chu~~~~~~ also claint
[02:11] <monteiro> chaitatp : ok , i just giving the right way to do it without worring about commands
[02:11] <tbird> np
[02:11] <sadneophite> does anyone know what happened to the usb-storage and usbcore between warty and hoary?
[02:12] <chaitatp> monteiro:  thanks friend :D ... i just like doing things within shell
[02:12] <queuetue> Is it easy (and safe) to get my very new ubuntu system to go sleep (hibernate/suspend) and resume?
[02:12] <Raskall> Hmm.. all of a sudden I only get LowID on Donkey. Argh.
[02:12] <monteiro> chaitatp : you use gnome ?
[02:12] <limer> I accidentally stipped the .jpg extension off a few files.  how do I go about adding it again via the terminal?
[02:12] <limer> *stripped
[02:12] <tbird> limer mv filename filename.jpg
[02:13] <visor> Raskall: are you behind a router?
[02:13] <limer> tbird: ok, but how do I do all of them at the same time?  * will not work
[02:13] <sadneophite> rename
[02:13] <sadneophite> limer man rename
[02:13] <Raskall> visor: yes, but it has worked for "ages" now. I forward the right ports to my client.
[02:13] <limer> thx guys
[02:13] <Elen> sparkling, from my own experience, you try the fglrx drivers, or the atitvout program
[02:13] <visor> Raskall: uhmm odd thing
[02:14] <sparkling> where i can get the atitvout program?
[02:14] <sadneophite> I have a usb stick which used to work with warty, and now no longer works with hoary
[02:14] <chaitatp> monteiro: exactly for now buta actually i use fvwm
[02:14] <claint> by the way, anyone giving me an ok for what i think is necessary to install ati drivers? i have typed it previously and i am about to type it again if not.
[02:14] <sadneophite> (anyone know why?
[02:14] <Raskall> visor: yup.. I think so too. But My machine has a very high load now. installing XP in vmware. could that be it?
[02:14] <Elen> sparkling, http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/lennart/projects/atitvout/
[02:14] <chaitatp> claint: now i am doing 'dd if=/dev/cdrom1 of=flashmx.iso' thing
[02:15] <limer> sadneophite: except that I don't know perlexpr at all :P
[02:15] <sparkling> tnx Elen
[02:15] <visor> Raskall: again i dont know that, i have never used WMWare
[02:15] <claint> chaitatp : i have never written a cd with dd.
[02:16] <stazz> Is it possible to run ARTS/esd with alsa dmix support?
[02:16] <Raskall> visor: well.. Guess I will let the guest finish installing and try then.
[02:16] <claint> for ati: i am getting xorg-driver-fglrx, putting fglrx in /etc/modules, and replacing ati with fglrx in xorg.conf. right? i need an OK on this. if yes, i am gonna hit it.
[02:16] <scizzo> morning
[02:16] <chaitatp> claint: i just copy the entire disc as iso file and then i plan to write that iso file with the easiest mode of cdrecord
[02:16] <cikilin> help!have a pb!sometimes my windows disappear!
[02:16] <sadneophite> raskall whenever you write to a virtual drive you will max out the cpu usage
[02:16] <sparkling> Elen, however i've installed fglrx driver for xorg but i haven't found the tvout section
[02:16] <cikilin> why?
[02:17] <claint> chaitatp : i am not sure if an iso file is the direct raw output of a cd.
[02:17] <Elen> sparkling, install fglrx-control and run firegl-control or something like that
[02:17] <Raskall> sadneophite: yes, I know, but will that affect LowID/HighID in aMule/donkey?
[02:17] <chaitatp> claint: for how long i'm not sure, i've read some article about doing that
[02:17] <tga> erm.. why does mysql-server depend on exim?
[02:17] <sadneophite> you are using amule in windowsxp on top of a ubuntu box?
[02:18] <sparkling> ok tnx
[02:18] <Raskall> sadneophite: no. I aim using amule on ubuntu while installing XP as a guest os in vmware. :)
[02:18] <sparkling> i'll try also this
[02:18] <Elen> sparkling,  if you're going to try atitvout, try this: go to a console (Ctrl+Alt+F1 for example, and Alt+F7 to come back to X11) and run as root: atitvout -f t  (that's for my card, there's another option you can put instead of -f, try atitvout -h)
[02:18] <stazz> Has anyone got experience with DMIX ?
[02:18] <duken> visor, thanks, xmms can sound now
[02:18] <Raskall> sadneophite: ubuntu is the host os.
[02:18] <duken> :-)
[02:19] <sadneophite> raskall problebly not directly
[02:19] <chaitatp> i am goint to take a  bath now thanks claint and monterio
[02:19] <sadneophite> raskall do you have a pentium 120?
[02:19] <Raskall> sadneophite: hmm.. annoying. I want my Lost episodes. :)
[02:19] <visor> duken: youre welcome to the nice ubuntu community :)
[02:19] <duken> i can hear my gun's n roses again
[02:19] <Raskall> sadneophite: no. Pentium 4M, 512 Megs mem.
[02:19] <duken> hhehehe
[02:20] <Raskall> sadneophite: but its a laptop with a 4200 rpm disk, so I/O is suffering right now.
[02:20] <duken> ok i'm have go now
[02:20] <mishof> Q about samba: when i try to access my computer from windows i get password / username prompt - how can i prevent it ?
[02:20] <sadneophite> raskall then I would expect it to be okay, except that you need to remember that the vmware modules are not likely to be 'NICE'
[02:20] <duken> here was night
[02:20] <Burgundavia> mishof, enable anonymous access
[02:20] <Livingstone> what about xmame on hoary?
[02:20] <duken> eh wait
[02:20] <visor> duken: welcome to the jungle then... xD
[02:20] <sparkling> Elen, i've a radeon 9600 se, do you think it can work also for mine card?
[02:20] <sadneophite> Raskall it is the hard drive emulation
[02:20] <Burgundavia> Livingstone, it is there. What do you need help with?
[02:20] <Elen> sparkling, yes
[02:21] <Elen> sparkling, it's good to try in the console so you know if it can work, then making it work correctly with X is another problem
[02:21] <Livingstone> Burgundavia:  apt-cache search mame; returns other thins
[02:21] <Raskall> sadneophite: :) I know. If vmware gives problems for aMule I will just not use them at the same time. :) But I will have to wait until xp has finished installing.
[02:21] <makkia> hello
[02:21] <Elen> (note that with mplayer you can watch movies in the console too :) )
[02:21] <makkia> during the dist-upgrade (warty -> hoary)
[02:22] <makkia> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[02:22] <makkia>   libortp0 libmediastreamer0 libosipua2 liblinphonegnome0 liblinphone0 linphone-nox
[02:22] <makkia> why ?
[02:22] <Burgundavia> Livingstone, you need -sdl or -x
[02:22] <Raskall> sadneophite: I will not use XP a lot at all, but need it to support my anti virus customers. There are very few left of them, but still.
[02:22] <makkia> ah i know
[02:22] <makkia> sorry
[02:22] <Burgundavia> makkia, do you have non-ubuntu repos in your list?
[02:22] <makkia> is linphone
[02:23] <Burgundavia> makkia, linphone is in the hoary repos
[02:23] <Livingstone> apt-cache search mame
[02:23] <Livingstone> pcrd - PCR-1000 Control Daemon / Command Line Interface
[02:23] <Livingstone> xwnc - Mix of Xvnc and XDarwin with improved protocol
[02:23] <makkia> Burgundavia: yes
[02:23] <Burgundavia> makkia, so you have a repo that is from warty?
[02:24] <makkia> Burgundavia: yes yes i have oblied
[02:24] <queuetue> Is it easy (and safe) to get my very new ubuntu system to go sleep (hibernate/suspend) and resume?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> makkia, you might have better luck at #ubuntu-it
[02:27] <sparkling> Elen, i've tried but it told me VBE call error
[02:27] <sparkling> i've seen the man
[02:27] <graabein> good morning!
[02:27] <sparkling> and ive make atitvout auto
[02:28] <niskin> is there a Firstclass client for Ubuntu
[02:28] <Echylo> was it possible to upgrade debian to ubuntu?
[02:28] <Burgundavia> niskin, firstclass?
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Echylo, depends on the version.
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Echylo, sarge--> hoary is not bad
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Echylo, woody-> warty
[02:29] <Echylo> woody->warty->hoary ?
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Echylo, sid->hoary won't work, as hoary has newer packages.
[02:30] <Burgundavia> Echylo, you might do woody->hoary, but it is not recommended. I would try warty first
[02:30] <Echylo> I have a stable woody network install
[02:30] <Echylo> so very base
[02:30] <niskin> FirstClass from http://www.softarc.com/ - but for Linux - Ubuntu ?
[02:30] <Burgundavia> Echylo, just change your repos. There is a page in wiki about it. Just a sec
[02:31] <Burgundavia> niskin, is it FLOSS?
[02:31] <decon_> how do I get stuff starting when I log on :)?
[02:31] <MrNonchalant> does anyone know if gedit can handle 34 megabytes?
[02:31] <decon_> like gdesklets
[02:31] <Burgundavia> Echylo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[02:31] <Elen> decon_, well... which stuff ?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> decon_, add it gdesklets to your default session
[02:31] <decon_> Elen, Gaim, Gdeslets
[02:32] <Echylo> thanks Burgundavia
[02:32] <Elen> decon_, ah ok, look for "Sessions" in your desktop preferences
[02:32] <Burgundavia> Echylo, np
[02:33] <visor> is dma enabled by default in hoary?
[02:33] <decon_> Thanks got it guys :)
[02:33] <niskin> FLOSS   ??
[02:34] <tga> heh.. rubygems just won't work on ubuntu
[02:34] <decon_> btw anyone uysing mercury ?
[02:34] <Burgundavia> niskin, Free/Open Source software
[02:34] <tga> anyone playing with rails?
[02:34] <Rocco_Vargas> Hello. Someone can help me to configure a Voodoo 3 3000 in Ubuntu?. I use the tdfxfb moduel but i am unable to get acceleration in games
[02:35] <niskin> no but it is free for private use
[02:35] <Burgundavia> niskin, that would be non-free, so no they can't distribute it
[02:35] <Burgundavia> niskin, what does it do?
[02:35] <claint> well, my remote ati driver installation failed. the guy is getting a complete blackout, not even virtual terminals weork
[02:35] <niskin> see http://www.softarc.com/
[02:36] <Burgundavia> niskin, am looking
[02:36] <Burgundavia> niskin, can't think of the free alternative
[02:36] <ablyss> i notice unbuntu doesn't have /etc/rc.local how to add scripts to startup at boot
[02:36] <claint> i guess i should use dpkg-reconfigure or something.
[02:36] <tga> what's a nice small 3d toy to test 3d with?
[02:36] <tga> ablyss: man update-rc.d
[02:36] <niskin> ok Thanks Burgundavia
[02:36] <Rocco_Vargas> i use tuxracer to test it
[02:37] <Burgundavia> tga, glxgears
[02:40] <deFrysk> hm nieuwe firefox en mozilla zijn uit
[02:40] <michealm> hello
[02:41] <ablyss> this is silly.. all i want to do is run xbindkeys, not start and stop it with rc.d
[02:41] <deFrysk> sorry wrong box
[02:41] <ablyss> anyone use $HOME/Desktop/Autostart ?
[02:43] <deFrysk> ablyss, I use gnome-sessions
[02:43] <Burgundavia> niskin, http://www.tes.mi.it/forum/0000EE1B-80000002/0000EE1D-80000002/
[02:43] <ablyss> i know xfce can start gnome services too.. but what a hassle to just get a simple app to run
[02:44] <ablyss> i might try dropping xbindkeys binary into the Autostart
[02:44] <ablyss> instead of a symlink
[02:44] <michealm> anyone know why even after installing windows installer and DCOM98 in cedega i still cant run any installer to install my games that are supported by cedega, its the full version DEB install, and no i dont use point2play my subscription is expired
[02:44] <xiaogil> How to say: look for everything begining with abc until this end of the line usung regexp ? Something like abc*\n, but the * doesn't work...?
[02:45] <claint> what would cause this: modprobe fglrx
[02:45] <claint> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:45] <michealm> claint try it with sudo before the command
[02:46] <claint> i am already at root prompt with sudo -s
[02:46] <michealm> ok
[02:46] <michealm> hmmm
[02:46] <Cash> ubuntu-fr
[02:47] <GNAM> is it a good idea to have a /home in a fat32 partition?
[02:47] <ablyss> well time to see it works...
[02:48] <claint> GNAM: bad idea.
[02:48] <GNAM> to exchange settings from win/linux
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> have a fat32 partition and copy shit to it
[02:48] <GNAM> ok
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> you can symlink to fat32 for like
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> thunderbird prefs and such
[02:49] <bluefoxicy> just remember that things on fat32 can be infected by windows viruses
[02:50] <bluefoxicy> not that they'll do anything but crash under linux
[02:50] <bluefoxicy> and I'd imagine the virus would be like "INFEC-- . . . what in the flying fuck is an ELF file?"
[02:50] <topyli> fat32 doesn't know about permissions. /home should be on a "real" partition. you can have data on fat32 though
[02:51] <topyli> bluefoxicy: elf is the linux binary format.
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> heh
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> ELF is executable and linkable format
[02:51] <topyli> right
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> ET_EXEC should be depricated
[02:52] <tga> how come there are no php5 packages?
[02:52] <stazz> Why isn't there gvim in ubuntus repositorys?
[02:52] <ablyss> kewl.. worked like a charm
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> everything should be ET_DYN, like with elflibraries
[02:52] <tga> stazz: there is no 'gvim'.. try vim-gtk or vim-gnome instead
[02:52] <stazz> tga: ok.
[02:53] <Aladdin> hi folks
[02:53] <stazz> tga: well, those worked. thanks
[02:53] <tga> stazz: np
[02:53] <zenwhen> a virus, which is by definition a self propagating program, would be rather hard to write for a linux platform. To do any real damage it would have to run with root privs. To be run at boot, to do any damage to core system files, or to effect your useage of network resources, a virus would have to run as root. One would have to be horribly incompetent to get a virus on a Linux system and a virus writer w
[02:53] <zenwhen> ould have to want to waste a lot of time to write a real linux "virus". While there are rootkits for Linux, they also require root access and you would have to be completely compromised to wind up with one.
[02:54] <tga> I understand that the Debian guys can't get their act together and provide some php5 packages, but how come Ubuntu doesn't have any either?
[02:54] <stazz> tga: the debian guys are trying to get sarge released. one can expect active development after that :)
[02:54] <tga> zenwhen: iirc there's a distro out there that runs as root
[02:54] <tga> stazz: yeah, not mentioning when "that" might be
[02:54] <stazz> and the distro is called "Linspire" :)
[02:54] <zenwhen> tga: thos people deserve what they get and their users should migrate to a real distro
[02:54] <Burgundavia> tga, because most of ubuntus packages are debian
[02:55] <stazz> tga: n+30 ;)
[02:55] <tga> ok, let me rephrase, there are php5 packages out there, made by a debian guy
[02:55] <tga> imho ubuntu should just put them into the official sources
[02:56] <stazz> 4.4.3.10 seems the newest available to me
[02:56] <Aladdin> anobody got aminute, I have a question about HAL?
[02:56] <tga> deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sid
[02:56] <tga> HAL 9000?
[02:56] <Aladdin> hehe
[02:56] <Burgundavia> Aladdin, what is the issue?
[02:56] <Aladdin> nop the hardware... or headeache...
[02:56] <Aladdin> thing
[02:57] <Aladdin> Burgundavia, ok I get an error message: HAL couldn't initialize in Hoary.
[02:58] <Burgundavia> Aladdin, an updated warty-->hoary machine?
[02:58] <Aladdin> Burgundavia, it's on a system with 2 harddisk, 2 dvd (1 external writer) un cd-rw drive and 256 megs o'ram
[02:58] <Aladdin> Burgundavia, , nop a brand new install. My upgraded system doesn't have that problem.
[02:59] <capi> hey
[03:00] <gds> Aladdin, what do you mean with "nop"?
[03:00] <Aladdin> gds, no :o)
[03:00] <tga> no operation
[03:00] <khj> Hi! Has anybody any idea why I can't hear any sound when using music player. It worked earlier today (and I have checked that the system is not muted).
[03:00] <gds> ah, right Aladdin
[03:01] <Aladdin> gds, sorry got my english in american chats :o)
[03:01] <gds> How can I listen m4a in rythmybox?
[03:02] <desrt> is that like aac?
[03:02] <klein> need help for installing gnome theme plz
[03:02] <gds> don't worry Aladdin...
[03:03] <gds> I'm using amarok at the moment in gnome
[03:03] <desrt> gds; ah.  here's your solution
[03:03] <desrt> dir2ogg - converts mp3, m4a, and wav files into ogg-vorbis format
[03:03] <Aladdin> gds, hey I'm more worried about the HAL thing. I't's an install for a paying client. :o( And the machine is not working right :o(
[03:03] <klein> need help for installing gnome theme plz
[03:03] <desrt> klein; sup?
[03:03] <desrt> klein; just ask your question
[03:04] <gds> desrt, I don't want to convert my m4a files
[03:04] <gds> I'm sorry Aladdin, what's the matter?
[03:04] <Burgundavia> klein, download the theme
[03:04] <desrt> gds; is m4a like 'mpeg4' aka aac?
[03:04] <Raskall> sadneophite: Strangest thing. vmware set up some kind of a firewall on a interface that had ip-bridging enabled. Well.. I'll use nat internally in vmware instad. That works.
[03:04] <gds> yes, desrt
[03:04] <klein> but when i configure it
[03:04] <Burgundavia> klein, then open system-->prefs-->them
[03:04] <Burgundavia> klein, and choose it
[03:04] <desrt> gds; install the package gstreamer0.8-faad
[03:04] <Raskall> ah.. sadneo left.
[03:04] <klein> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[03:04] <desrt> gds; should do the trick
[03:04] <gds> desrt, I've got 20Gb of m4a files...
[03:05] <Burgundavia> gds, might as well get gstreamer-plugins, which gets everything
[03:05] <Burgundavia> klein, you don't need to compile a theme
[03:05] <desrt> gds; i'm sorry to hear that.  i hope they're not from the ITMS
[03:05] <desrt> klein; is this a theme engine?
[03:05] <klein> yes
[03:05] <desrt> what engine is it?
[03:06] <claint> hmmm.
[03:06] <eliama> hi all
[03:06] <xukun> I fixed my wierd screen problem
[03:06] <gds> desrt, do you mean gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg?
[03:06] <klein> i don't know
[03:06] <desrt> gds; no.  i mean gstremer0.8-faad
[03:06] <Aladdin> gds, HAL gives me an error on boot, well entering gnome: HAL couldn't initialize.  And the sys tem is extremely slow to launch Gnome, when it does, in fact most of the gnoe apps (aplets) give me an error. It's like everything crashes on me and I have a hintch that HAL starts it.
[03:06] <klein> how do i know that ?
[03:06] <desrt> ffmpeg is nice to have too, but i don't think it plays aac
[03:06] <desrt> klein; what is it called?
[03:06] <klein> hum
[03:06] <desrt> like, the name of the file you downloaded
[03:06] <Burgundavia> gds, see my earlier comment about plugins
[03:07] <klein> gtk-engines-dwerg
[03:07] <visor> guys, mplayer doesnt come with dvd-menus support does it?
[03:07] <desrt> ya.  that's not in apt
[03:07] <desrt> klein; if you really want, apt-get install build-essential
[03:07] <desrt> klein; that will get you a C compiler
[03:07] <klein> ok thx
[03:07] <klein> i'll try
[03:08] <desrt> you might also need libgtk2.0-dev if you're building a theme engine.  dunno.
[03:08] <desrt> see how far build-essential gets you :P
[03:08] <gds> desrt, your package doesn't exist
[03:08] <desrt> gds; do you have universe and multiverse setup?
[03:09] <Bloody|RLC> http://forum.ubuntu-ru.org/index.php?topic=106.msg691#msg691
[03:09] <Bloody|RLC> new freetype
[03:09] <gds> desrt, I don't have multiverse :-)
[03:09] <Bloody|RLC> 99% config by Ubuntu-build
[03:09] <ablyss> crikey.... things are working great... i am flabbergasted
[03:10] <winding> How to mount the gmailfs ?
[03:10] <ablyss> even xitami started up perfectly w/out any hitch.. that's a first
[03:10] <desrt> gds; ah.  add it :)
[03:10] <gds> Aladdin, why don't you see hal's log files?
[03:10] <desrt> Description: GStreamer faad plugins
[03:10] <desrt>  FAAD2 is the fastest ISO AAC audio decoder available. FAAD2 correctly
[03:10] <desrt>  decodes all MPEG-4 and MPEG-2 MAIN, LOW, LTP, LD and ER object type AAC
[03:10] <desrt>  files.
[03:11] <Aladdin> gds I'll do that. were is it? (am new to Ubuntu).
[03:12] <Aladdin> gds, thx I'll look if I can find anything to read that might help. Good day all.
[03:13] <gds> Sorry Aladdin, I don't know... try to read syslog... bye
[03:14] <gds> What's in the multiverse?
[03:15] <desrt> gds; non-free stuff
[03:15] <gds> Does  rythmybox use  only gstreamer?
[03:16] <desrt> as far as you're concerned, yes :)
[03:16] <chtilinux> hello, i've got a problem with k3b: k3b needs cdrdao but i don't find the package
[03:16] <m0rphx> hi
[03:16] <desrt> chtilinux; install it
[03:17] <desrt> apt-get install k3b
[03:17] <desrt> it will pull in all of the dependancies you need
[03:17] <m0rphx> chtilinux: it is in universe
[03:17] <chtilinux> i've made it but when i open k3b, i read "k3b needs cdrdao"
[03:18] <gds> chtilinux,  sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[03:18] <chtilinux> ok,i'll try it
[03:18] <desrt> chtilinux; in general,  it's better to install things with apt than to make them yourself
[03:19] <m0rphx> can someone tell me what I need to do that udev creates /dev/pts/0 etc ?
[03:20] <kenphused> yo ho ubuntuologists
[03:20] <klein> desrt, i installed build-essential
[03:20] <desrt> m0rphx; udev doesn't create /dev/pts/*
[03:20] <desrt> m0rphx; you need to mount the devpts filesystem there
[03:20] <klein> it configure normally but
[03:21] <m0rphx> desrt: ah, which program does that?
[03:21] <desrt> m0rphx; uhm... mount
[03:21] <desrt> it should happen on startup, though
[03:21] <Raskall> vmware is actually cool. Too bad I cant afford to buy it when my eval has expired.
[03:21] <kenphused> has anyone successfully installed ubuntu on the ATI chipset with a SATA drive?
[03:21] <desrt> grep devpts /proc/mounts
[03:21] <m0rphx> desrt: yeah, I mean which init.d startup program does that?
[03:21] <m0rphx> k
[03:21] <Burgundavia> Raskall, try qemu
[03:22] <desrt> m0rphx; mountvirtfs, it would seem
[03:22] <Raskall> Burgundavia: have tried it. Never successfully installed anything it. Too slow on my laptop. I have tried to install both suse and winxp. killed both after more than 24 hours install time.
[03:23] <Raskall> Burgundavia: sure it would have been good if I ran the virtual computer on a separate disk, but either way (vmware or separate disk) I will have to give money I currently dont have to spare.
[03:24] <gds> Does anyone know anything about programming in pvm?
[03:24] <Burgundavia> Raskall, xen looks very cool
[03:24] <Raskall> Burgundavia: xen?
[03:24] <Burgundavia> Raskall, OSS virtualization. run 2 oses at once on the same server
[03:25] <Raskall> Burgundavia: ok.. gpl?
[03:25] <Burgundavia> Raskall, OSS, but I don't know which license
[03:25] <dizzy> Burgundavia: have you tried xen?
[03:25] <Raskall> Burgundavia: do you have any references?
[03:25] <elcu> hello, what package has the man pages for C functions (e.g. scanf etc.)?
[03:26] <Raskall> as in uris
[03:26] <chtilinux> sudo apt-get install cdrdao: "no package found" : i don't understand
[03:27] <gds> I have to say: "Does anyone know anything about programming in pvm?" or " Does anyone know something about programming in pvm?"
[03:27] <_membreya> chtilinux: do you have universe enabled?
[03:27] <gds> :-))
[03:27] <chtilinux> wait...i'll see
[03:28] <Burgundavia> dizzy, Raskall, it is something that novell is working on, but it is not a novell project
[03:28] <dizzy> elcu: manpages-dev
[03:28] <Burgundavia> http://www.xensource.com/
[03:28] <gds> Burgundavia, help me :-)
[03:28] <Raskall> Burgundavia: thanx. :)
[03:28] <dizzy> Burgundavia: the problem with xen is that it defines a new cpu arch
[03:28] <klein> desrt, what do i should install after build-essential
[03:29] <elcu> dizzy: thanks.
[03:29] <Burgundavia> gds, what is wrong?
[03:29] <Burgundavia> klein, with build-essential, you can now compile stuff
[03:29] <chtilinux> sorry but how can i enable universe?
[03:30] <_membreya> chtilinux: from a terminal, do a sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:30] <elcu> also, i require a program called "xv".  i can't find the package for that one either.
[03:30] <_membreya> uncomment the fields for universe
[03:30] <_membreya> then do a sudo apt-get update
[03:30] <beggar> how can i enable udma2 for my dvd drive?
[03:30] <chtilinux> ok
[03:30] <m0rphx> desrt: can you tell me at which runlevel udev and mountvirtfs get started?
[03:30] <_membreya> beggar: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[03:30] <ouchiko> Hi
[03:30] <gds> Burgundavia, Must I use something or anything in that question? :-) I'm learned english
[03:30] <mishof> Q about samba: when i try to access my computer from windows i get password / username prompt - how can i prevent it ?
[03:30] <m0rphx> or how I can reset the defaults
[03:30] <klein> but it told me : Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[03:30] <klein> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[03:30] <klein> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[03:30] <klein> configure: error: GTK+-2.0 is required
[03:31] <_membreya> mishof: change your access to share level rather than user?
[03:31] <desrt> m0rphx; uh, all of them, i think?
[03:31] <dizzy> elcu: xv is an ancient nonfree package now unsupported
[03:31] <desrt> m0rphx; should be handled by :sysinit:
[03:31] <beggar> _membreya, and that's all?
[03:31] <mishof> _membreya, how
[03:31] <_membreya> beggar: yes
[03:31] <Raskall> Burgundavia: looks cool. :) Will read up on it in bed tonight. :)
[03:32] <_membreya> mishof: add security = share to the global section of your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:32] <beggar> ok tks _membreya
[03:32] <_membreya> and then do a sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:33] <elcu> dizzy: ah, ok.  i'm doing an image processing course and it makes use of it to view images by running it from the terminal.  i'm gonna tell my my lecture off. :)
[03:34] <mifune> hi. how do i set up my creative soundblaster 16 card? its a non pnp one.
[03:34] <ouchiko> Can I ask a simple question, what are the benefits of using unbuntu over something like Mandrake 10?  There are a lot of flavours and im looking for something to gently ease me into using linux as a desktp system.  Ive been using linux at work (web servers, mail servers and the like) but I want get something which will make the transition into desktop env easy
[03:34] <_membreya> you want a sales pitch ouchiko ? :|
[03:35] <dizzy> elcu: try this http://ftp.fifi.org/debian-local/woody/unofficial/xv/
[03:35] <ouchiko> No, I want to know why unbuntu is good?
[03:35] <chtilinux> it's ok now: i can use k3b.
[03:35] <membreya> all working now chtilinux ?
[03:35] <gds> ouchiko, It's debian based, easy to install and mantain... Suspend to disk also works
[03:35] <chtilinux> yes,thank you
[03:35] <ouchiko> includes aptget?
[03:36] <gds> ouchiko, yes
[03:36] <ouchiko> cool
[03:36] <Xenguy> ouchiko: because it is based on Debian, and upgrades to a new version does not require a re-install, plus it's non-commercial distribution
[03:36] <ouchiko> Excellent.
[03:36] <elcu> dizzy: thanks.
[03:37] <gds> ouchiko, www.ubuntulinux.org
[03:38] <elcu> ouchiko: i've found ubuntu's documentation (ubuntuguide.org) and support community (forums, #ubuntu) to be better than other distros i've used (including mandrake).
[03:39] <Meidos> I need help in setting up an ubuntu box as firewall, and I don't get masquerade to work (packets arrive at my ubuntu box, but don't get forwarded)
[03:40] <Xenguy> Meidos: I use 'shorewall' firewall for this (on debian tho)
[03:40] <chtilinux> another question: is there a package for flash-player? i don't find it for my computer (it is an amd64)
[03:40] <membreya> chtilinux: no flash for amd64
[03:40] <Burgundavia> chtilinux, not for amd64
[03:40] <membreya> unless you chroot it
[03:40] <Meidos> Xenguy: Shorewall exists for ubuntu as well, though I have never used it (I am used to iptables)
[03:40] <Burgundavia> chtilinux, email macromedia about it
[03:40] <gds> How can I use  plist xml file (ipod) with linux?
[03:41] <chtilinux> ok
[03:41] <Xenguy> Meidos: yes.  It is a good (non-GUI) firewall that can do NAT etc.
[03:41] <ogb> Hi, do I _have_ to use an initrd image to boot ubuntu?
[03:42] <Meidos> Xenguy: how can I just turn on masquerade? I have one local card, and one card connected to the internet
[03:42] <Xenguy> Meidos: I guess it is actually what's known as a 'firewall script'; shorewall bills itself as "IPtables Made Easy" :-)
[03:42] <membreya> Xenguy: is that like "pulling teeth for dummies" :P
[03:42] <Xenguy> Meidos: I suppose if you don't want to use shorewall, you read the 'IPMasquerade HOWTO' or something similar
[03:42] <dizzy> I would recommend shorewall
[03:43] <Xenguy> membreya: heh - it's a lot easier than futzing with iptables by hand is all I know ;-)
[03:43] <membreya> Xenguy: so glad I'm not the only person in the free world that says futzing :P
[03:43] <Xenguy> membreya: keep on rocking ;-)
[03:43] <membreya> I just cheat with ip routing/firewalling.. I use a hardware firewall ;)
[03:43] <Meidos> Xenguy:  thing is, I used to have debian here and just reinstalled. I think I have done masquerading setup several times allready, and this is the first time it's not working. So I am just looking for someone to try and help and highlight the obvious thing I did wrong this time.
[03:44] <smouche> hello.  Are there any rss feeds for http://ubuntuforums.org -- I don't see any links for them...
[03:44] <Kouros> Hello!
[03:44] <Xenguy> Meidos: I'm sure someone knows, but I am lazy and use shorewall - that's about all the suggestions I have ATM
[03:44] <smouche> don't know if plone supports them; syndication ignoramus here ...;
[03:45] <Kouros> I'm using the Live CD at the moment, but no sound support - is that normal?
[03:46] <queuetue> Kouros, unfortunately, in my experience, yes. :(
[03:47] <xukun> how can I see or change the fonts size or dpi I,m using?
[03:47] <Kouros> That's fine then - I didn't want to go the full hog (Hoary, natch) and find no sound. If it's just a LIve CD issue, I'm OK with it
[03:47] <mjr> xukun, the font preferences
[03:48] <queuetue> Sound and printing are both still trainwrecks in what is the first truly useful and solid linux desktop distro.
[03:48] <elcu> Kouros: how are you finding ubuntu?
[03:48] <membreya> crappy nforce3 soundcard here (ac97) works fine for me
[03:48] <Kouros> Queuetue, I'm having a few issues trying to get it to run on a Thinkpad, with no built-in Floppy or CD (both USB). I can get smartbootmanager to load fine, but not the LIve CD
[03:48] <queuetue> Kouros, I mean it is normal to not have sound in Linux - keeping it up and going willl be a lifelong battle.
[03:48] <Kouros> I actually really like it, and am considering moving my laptop over permanently, then the desktop, except for the above problems
[03:49] <xukun> mjr, that is not what I mean, I want to set dpi to 100
[03:49] <queuetue> Kouros, Other than that (and printers and printer sharing), ubuntu can stand fairly against any other OS I know of.
[03:49] <mjr> xukun, yes, and there's a setting there, in the advanced window
[03:49] <Kouros> Queuetue - That's what I feared. I spend a lot of time listening to music on my desktop, and so would hate to lose that.
[03:49] <smouche> membreya, my nforce sound card works great too, out of the box
[03:50] <Kouros> I don't think that reason alone swings it to the negative, though
[03:50] <dags> queuetue, naah.. once you get to know alsa and its config-file, it works fine in my experience
[03:50] <membreya> only problem I have with sound was multiple programs accessing /dev/dsp ..but that's easily fixed with DMIX and setting a software MIDI synth :)
[03:50] <smouche> Kouros, what card do you have?
[03:51] <membreya> hmm konversation doesnt have alpha blending :(
[03:51] <Kouros> Just a soundblaster- I'm no audiophile, but it's just nice to have my collection on in the background
[03:52] <smouche> I'm sure it can be gotten to work, Kouros -- I don't know how, since fortunately for me, I needed no tweaking...
[03:52] <triandafilos> Is there a add on for gaim internet messanger to kick or ban user?
[03:53] <Meidos> Xenguy:  how do you use shorewall? I just want to set up nat initially
[03:53] <SiRrUs> membreya hello
[03:53] <membreya> helloooooo SiRrUs :)
[03:53] <smouche> before, when I tried an external usb2 audigy, I had horrible results, but internal sb live and the nvidia on my laptop are fine
[03:53] <SiRrUs> have you took the breezy plunge yet
[03:53] <membreya> noooooooooo :P
[03:53] <topyli> triandafilos: you just use irc commands
[03:53] <membreya> not yet....going to give it a few months
[03:54] <membreya> but damnit, I'm so happy with kubuntu right now :P
[03:54] <SiRrUs> i took it ;)
[03:54] <membreya> I think the next major step I'll take is KDE4 :P
[03:54] <membreya> how's it looking thus far SiRrUs ? constantly updating? :P
[03:54] <smouche> good plan, membreya!
[03:54] <jaco^> i've fount kubuntu not so solid as ubuntu
[03:54] <jaco^> i've found
 do you know of any webpages which list the commands?
[03:54] <SiRrUs> working good so far
[03:55] <SiRrUs> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.10 - breezy Kernel: 2.6.10-5-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[03:55] <topyli> triandafilos: http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#talking
[03:55] <membreya> jaco^: that's because it's KDE ..kde = pretty & tweakable to hell ...but not as stable as gnome :)
[03:55] <triandafilos> thx
[03:55] <jaco^> yes membreya , i agree
[03:55] <membreya> gnome is like a volvo...plain and somewhat ugly..but safe and steady :P
[03:56] <topyli> triandafilos: oh, that's not a very comprehensive list :)
[03:56] <SpookyET> hi
[03:56] <ubuntu> aie
[03:56] <triandafilos> do you have anything else?
[03:56] <ubuntu> si
[03:56] <ubuntu> pourquoi?
[03:56] <dizzy> membreya: I like gnome but I had a lot of problem with it
[03:56] <ubuntu> du genre?
[03:57] <SpookyET> I need some help.  I'm trying to make x run on 1600x1200 75.
[03:57] <smouche> membreya, kubuntu has been more stable than gnome for me, but only after working around konqueror crashes
[03:57] <Xenguy> Meidos: back
[03:57] <topyli> triandafilos: this is bound to have everything: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/ccosmos.html
[03:57] <Xenguy> Meidos: sec...
[03:57] <membreya> main probs I had with gnome were things not updating :|
[03:57] <smouche> gnome panels crashed on me constantly; I couldn't abide that.
[03:57] <triandafilos> cheers
[03:57] <SpookyET> I added the resolution to xorg.conf, but it is not displayed in the resolution changer.
[03:57] <smouche> maybe that's been fixed with stable hoary, I don't know
[03:57] <membreya> smouche: how do you stop your konqueror crashing? :P
[03:58] <smouche> I turned off the left navigation panel
[03:58] <membreya> and do you have the same kaffeine constantly crashing problem? I got around that one by switching to VLC :P
[03:58] <membreya> oh :P
[03:58] <smouche> there's a thread in the bug reports on that somewhere
[03:58] <Xenguy> Meidos: http://shorewall.net/shorewall_quickstart_guide.htm
[03:58] <membreya> i just wish they would fix the friggin nvidia-glx and renderaccel problems
[03:58] <smouche> and , membreya, frankly I avoid using konqueror as much as I can- prefer rox-filer or krusader
[03:59] <Xenguy> Meidos: the documentation is very good
[03:59] <ubuntu> linux from scratch est il en francais?
[03:59] <liable> SpookyET: and you restarted x
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?
[03:59] <smouche> membreya, opening konq in "simple browser mode" or "midnight commander" style helps too.
[04:00] <membreya> smouche: aaah but krusader isn't a webbrowser :P
[04:00] <SpookyET> liable, i restarted the comp.  don't know hot to restart x
[04:00] <da_bon_bon> hey, if i am using hoary, how do i still stay to unstable branch ? kinda like shifting from stable to unstable ?
[04:00] <membreya> da_bon_bon: change your sources to breezy?
[04:00] <Xenguy> smouche: yeah, krusader is nice (as a file manager)
[04:00] <dags> yea, i like to that too... i like daily updates :=)
[04:00] <da_bon_bon> membreya: really ? whats breezy ?
[04:00] <smouche> membreya, for web browser I'm ok with firefox. (or konq - my crashes are only with file browsing) though it's annoying.
[04:00] <queuetue> da_bon_bon, Use breezy instead?
[04:01] <membreya> smouche: I can't stand FF
[04:01] <queuetue> da_bon_bon, breezy badger - next release.
[04:01] <liable> SpookyET: well if you rebooted, that should have done it
[04:01] <Meidos> Xenguy:  I forgot to do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - works now
[04:01] <smouche> krusader even browses network shares, (I think...)
[04:01] <Xenguy> Meidos: :-)
[04:01] <da_bon_bon> queuetue, membreya: sorry i shudve searched. ok, i will try breezy :)
[04:01] <dags> queuetue, and then just do a apt-get update/dist-upgrade?
[04:01] <da_bon_bon> anyone here whose ubuntu is synced to breezy ?
[04:01] <membreya> da_bon_bon: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases
[04:01] <queuetue> da_bon_bon, I was NOT suggesting you use it, only answering your questin... :)
[04:01] <membreya> da_bon_bon: SiRrUs is
[04:02] <smouche> Xenguy, it sure is -- very convenient layout in krusader.  For some reason though
[04:02] <SiRrUs> yep sorry
[04:02] <da_bon_bon> queuetue: ya sure.. i wont use it. i just wanted to know whats the name of "SnapShot" on distrowatch.. :D
[04:02] <smouche> I can't get kde to accept krusader as default for opening folders
[04:02] <SpookyET> it didn't
[04:02] <Kouros> Sorry Queuetue - Didn't mean to run away. Keyboard died.
[04:02] <membreya> i just wish that they would hurry up and release KDE4 ...even a snapshot :P
[04:02] <SpookyET> how do you restart x?
[04:03] <membreya> Kouros: do you have an onboard soundcard as well as your SB?
[04:03] <desrt> SpookyET; how do you mean?
[04:03] <desrt> SpookyET; restart the server, restart gdm, ?
[04:03] <membreya> SpookyET: sudo  /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:03] <queuetue> SpookyET, log out nad hit control-alt-backspace.  (or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)
[04:03] <Riddell> membreya: quite tricky to do since it's not started devlopment yet
[04:03] <membreya> Riddell: I know that ;)
[04:03] <membreya> I'm just excited about it :P
[04:03] <Xenguy> smouche: hrm, not sure about that; you would think there would be a way
[04:04] <Kouros> membreya, please bear in mind that I am spectacularly stupid, and when I say Wha? I am not being rude. With that in mind... wha?
[04:04] <membreya> scary thing is ..apart from speed improvements ...the main thing that excites me is konsole supporting true alpha blending :P
[04:04] <SpookyET> ctr+alt+backspace and f1, f2, f3 don't work
[04:04] <da_bon_bon> great, now i cant wait for breezy to be released :(
[04:04] <membreya> Kouros: in your BIOS ..do you have an onboard soundcard..as well as your soundblaster
[04:04] <membreya> a lot of people have had problems with their SB cards if they also have onboard sound enabled in their BIOS
[04:04] <Kouros> As in, does the thing beep? Yes.
[04:04] <tbird> da_bon_bon, i use breezy
[04:05] <membreya> Kouros: *slap* that's your PC speaker
[04:05] <membreya> sheesh
[04:05] <membreya> what type of motherboard do you have Kouros ?
[04:05] <Kouros> I did say that I was stupid
[04:05] <nsillik> i haven't gotten any updates for hoary for the past six days or so.... is that normal? is my apt.sources messed up?
[04:05] <paulproteus> nsillik: It released.
[04:05] <membreya> nsillik: it's frozen..only security updates go through now AFAIK
[04:05] <paulproteus> nsillik: So it shouldn't change. :)
[04:05] <nsillik> that's what i was thinking
[04:05] <da_bon_bon> damn! wish i got my 128kbps net back! stuck with 2kbps. how is breezy btw, tbird?
[04:05] <denis_> hello
[04:05] <Kouros> Please don't ask me questions like that! I am starting to feel incredibly out of my depth
[04:05] <membreya> da_bon_bon: 35mbit here :D
[04:06] <tbird> da_bon_bon, been great so far
[04:06] <denis_> who are European?
[04:06] <nsillik> is breezy available for testing yet?
[04:06] <queuetue> Fresh install of the AMD46 version of hoary, and same error: "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and booting hangs.
[04:06] <da_bon_bon> membreya: SHIT! man such GREAT speeds...
[04:06] <denis_> iam a stupid french european :)
[04:06] <membreya> da_bon_bon: ..thats the maximum capability of cable :)
[04:06] <tbird> 35Mbit on cable ?
[04:06] <smouche> denis_ I am a stupid not french north american, mais
[04:07] <tbird> i thought 3Mbit was max
[04:07] <smouche> vous est bienvenue!
[04:07] <denis_> :)
[04:07] <Kouros> I'm a stupid Englishman
[04:07] <tbird> i have 2Mbit cable
[04:07] <tbird> get over 500kb/s dls
[04:08] <denis_> then whatr you think about our european Constitution Vote?
[04:08] <da_bon_bon> membreya: well, i have cable net too.. :( but a slower plan, as faster would cost most $$ which i dont have ;)
[04:08] <pvanhoof> haaaaa, rebooted to breezy from hoary
[04:08] <smouche> et ca c'est deja la totalite de ma connaissance de francais... ;-)
[04:08] <membreya> tbird: sorry Mbps
[04:08] <pvanhoof> two tiny upgade issues: A mono package is sharing a directory with a dbus package
[04:08] <membreya> Kouros: go to a terminal and type lsmod |grep snd
[04:09] <pvanhoof> and libgda2-common has problems with a few mono packages
[04:09] <tbird> oh
[04:09] <smouche> denis_ I recorded Chirac's "town meeting" on the constitution, didn't watch it yet though
[04:09] <queuetue> Ok, I've done a fresh install of hoary-AMD64 and I'm encountering the same kernel bug as last night:  "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot...  (This was an MSI K8n Neo4 Platinum/SLI  with the nvidia nforce4 chipset)  ... can anyone lend a hand in helping me understand this?
[04:09] <pvanhoof>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb this one had a conflict with a dbus package
[04:09] <pvanhoof> and the hdparam script isn't finding /dev/hdc (my dvd drive), yet it's there after fully booted
[04:10] <smouche> why does firefox require java just to install a theme?
[04:10] <queuetue> If I use a DSL (32 bit) livecd, everything is fine, disks are fine, mmountable, etc.  If I try to boot 32-bit (or now, 64-bit) hoary, I get this kernel panic.
[04:10] <membreya> pvanhoof: don't worry about if hdparm is giving a device not found error ..if you do a hdparm -d /dev/hdc it should be DMAon
[04:10] <membreya> smouche: cos FF is dodgy :P
[04:11] <pvanhoof> membreya, it's indeed on
[04:11] <FreezerX> ups, dma for my cdrom is off
[04:11] <membreya> pvanhoof: exactly..you just ignore the device not found error..it still works :)
[04:11] <pvanhoof> so I guess the script did work. However, it should omit the errormessage, no?
[04:11] <membreya> FreezerX: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[04:11] <membreya> damnit I'm going to write an alias for that!
[04:12] <FreezerX> hehe
[04:12] <nsillik> wow, plenty of updates to breezy
[04:12] <nsillik> while it's installing, anyone want to tell me what i have to look forward to?
[04:12] <membreya> has anyone had their system killed by breezy yet? :P
[04:12] <pvanhoof> nsillik, you'll need to --force-overwrite install mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb
[04:12] <queuetue> supposedly suse boots fine with this mobo...
[04:13] <membreya> queuetue: have you checked the forums (stupid question I know)
[04:13] <pvanhoof> membreya, mono-assemblies-base had problems here. It wanted to overwrite a directory of a dbus-package
[04:13] <cavediver> Hi all. How to I enable GLX? I have downloaded the nvidia-glx package but glxgears keep telling me glx is missing on diplay 0:0
[04:13] <nsillik> pvanhoof: should i have done that /before/ my dist-upgrade that is in progress right now?
[04:13] <queuetue> membreya, Yes, but I can never find anything there. :)
[04:14] <membreya> queuetue: what mobo again ?
[04:14] <pvanhoof> nsillik, no, the dist-upgrade failed here (cause of that package)
[04:14] <nsillik> oh, hm okay
[04:14] <pvanhoof> therefor I manually installed it from the apt-cache
[04:14] <pvanhoof> dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb
[04:14] <pvanhoof> and relaunched the apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:14] <membreya> cavediver: have you followed the instructions on www.ubuntuguide.org?
[04:14] <pvanhoof> then it succeeded
[04:14] <cavediver> Hmm, i don't think so.
[04:15] <pvanhoof> then I rebooted to have the newer kernel
[04:15] <queuetue> membreya, An K8n Neo4 Platinum SLI from MSI (also called the MS-7100)
[04:15] <membreya> queuetue: ok ..that's just RUDE!
[04:15] <queuetue> membreya, Excuse me?
[04:16] <membreya> queuetue: NF4 SLI *drools* ..lemme guess it's S939 too :P
[04:16] <queuetue> membreya, But of course. :)
[04:16] <membreya> >:(
[04:16] <cavediver> membreya: yes, the nvidia is there.
[04:16] <queuetue> membreya, But, keep in mind that your computer boots and mine does not. :)
[04:17] <membreya> queuetue: yes but mines only an amd64 3200
[04:17] <SpookyET> where do you put gdm themes?
[04:17] <membreya> first gen :|
[04:17] <membreya> nobody told me s939 is the roadmap for AMD
[04:18] <queuetue> How the heck do you do bios upgrades without windows?
[04:18] <hansel> it's a saturday night in NZ
[04:18] <hansel> and everything is jolly
[04:18] <membreya> queuetue: your BIOS should let you do it from a floppy
[04:18] <membreya> hansel: technically it's sunday morning
[04:19] <membreya> queuetue: your HDD is PATA?
[04:19] <cavediver> Hmm, this glx thing wont work. I've checked everything in the guide.
[04:19] <queuetue> membreya, I dont know what that means.  They are regular old IDE drives/
[04:19] <membreya> queuetue: PATA ;)
[04:20] <mrdaemon> Hi, is here anyone with a working soundcard on a Thinkpad 770?
[04:20] <dantheman> i'm going to be heading home from college in a few weeks, and i was wondering if there's anything i should do now to make it easier to plug in my wireless usb adapter when i get home
[04:20] <dantheman> i'm using the regular wired ethernet jack now
[04:20] <queuetue> membreya, Parallel ATA vs Serial ATA?
[04:20] <muzza> could someone tell me how to install the firefox themes I just downloaded?
[04:21] <membreya> queuetue: quick question ..unrelated but your grub menu ..does that have acpi=off?
[04:21] <membreya> queuetue: that's the one :)
[04:21] <schnee_> hello ~ everyone ~ who can tell me if want to install mysql , which package need i install ?
[04:21] <resmo_> hi
[04:21] <queuetue> membreya, Not currently, but I have tried that already.
[04:21] <outworld> hi guys, i've just installed hoary ... im trying to connect my ipod using firewire but its not being detected. any help guys? note: im a stupid lil no0b, be gentle
[04:22] <mifune> can anyone help me with making my soundblaster 16 card work? i couldnt find how with searching.
[04:23] <DocUb> hmm
[04:23] <resmo_> why is gpdf not installed by default, xpdf is not integrated in gnome and isn't possible to print pdfs over the network printer configured in gnome...that sucks
[04:23] <DocUb> anyone tried out the 2.6.11.2 kernel headers yet?
[04:23] <membreya> queuetue: want me to post your problem to the mailing list?
[04:23] <DocUb> looks like they just came in
[04:23] <dany_88> ciao
[04:24] <queuetue> membreya, if you think it would help ...
[04:24] <crschmidt> anyone know how I can fix or get around configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check ?
[04:24] <dany_88> UIASISIW
[04:24] <dany_88> CIAO
[04:24] <Jefis> can anyone help me?
[04:25] <Jefis> dns isn't working
[04:25] <Jefis> can anyone time in console
[04:25] <elcu> outworld: this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6678.html
[04:25] <Jefis> GET www.suncity2k.com
[04:25] <membreya> queuetue: definately, what's the I/O error you're getting ;)
[04:25] <Jefis> *type
[04:25] <elcu> outworld: i.e. have it on when you boot ubuntu.
[04:25] <muzza> I just downloaded some new 'themes' for firefox, and don't know what to do with them
[04:27] <dany_88> sft
[04:27] <cavediver> Anyone else having glx disabled even though using the nvidia-glx drivers
[04:27] <elcu> crschmidt: do you have build-essential installed?
[04:28] <nsillik> cavediver: do you have glx enabled in you xorg.conf?
[04:28] <cavediver> yes
[04:28] <membreya> Jefis: works for me ;)
[04:28] <crschmidt> elcu: nope, i'll start with that
[04:28] <cavediver> nsillik: the module is there.
[04:28] <Jefis> membreya, type me in private, what you got
[04:28] <nsillik> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep GLX
[04:29] <queuetue> "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot, right after "Starting Ubuntu"
[04:29] <Jefis> membreya, i don't know how it works for you, but it doesn't works for me!!!!!!!!1
[04:29] <queuetue> membreya, "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot, right after "Starting Ubuntu"
[04:29] <nsillik> cavediver: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep GLX
[04:29] <hcgfhgfh> hi every body
[04:29] <cavediver> nsillik: (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[04:29] <cavediver> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[04:29] <cavediver> (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[04:29] <Albacker> how do I install a newer version of a apackage and remove the old one, with apt-get ?
[04:30] <crschmidt> elcu: awesome, that fixed it
[04:30] <gratuit> Albacker: apt-get install <packagename>
[04:30] <elcu> crschmidt: goodo.
[04:30] <dany_88> italiani
[04:30] <Albacker> gratuit, i think it doesnt delete the older one :(
[04:30] <nsillik> cavediver: do you have the Load "dri" line commented out or removed in you xorg.conf?
[04:31] <cavediver> nsillik: yes, i commented that out.
[04:31] <muzza> could someone help me with firefox please?
[04:31] <nsillik> cavediver: xdpyinfo  |  grep GLX
[04:31] <queuetue> membreya, Where do I see the ml archives?
[04:32] <Bicchi> i have dual monitors and instead of seeing a big desktop where i can drag screens from one to the other, i get a cloned display?
[04:32] <dantheman> is GnomeBaker a good cd burner, or should i look for something better?
[04:32] <Xappe> dantheman: gnomebaker is good
[04:32] <dantheman> Bicchi: i just set that up a couple days ago
[04:32] <Xappe> dantheman: and it's getting better and beter
[04:32] <dantheman> Bicchi: do you want to see my xorg.conf?
[04:32] <Xappe> *better
[04:32] <gratuit> dantheman: I like k3b personally, but I also really like graveman for a gtk burner
[04:32] <Bicchi> dantheman: ok
[04:33] <cavediver> nsillik: no match there !
[04:33] <dantheman> i'll msg it to you
[04:33] <nsillik> cavediver: are there any errors in you Xorg.0.log?
[04:33] <membreya> queuetue: just posted for you now queuetue
[04:33] <slonocode> Can someone tell me how to set bttv options for boot time?
[04:33] <membreya> queuetue: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/ and click on archive
[04:33] <Albacker> dantheman, try k3b
[04:33] <Upayavira> I wish to upgrade my Debian system to Ubuntu. To do so, I wish to copy my filesystem onto a win2k system via a cross over cable (I'll boot a rescue CD to do it). What tools could I use to copy the entire FS across an SMB mount, so that when I've got Ubuntu installed, I can copy back just the bits I need?
[04:33] <Quest-Master> How do I install fonts in Hoary?
[04:33] <nsillik> cavediver: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[04:34] <cavediver> nsillik: ahh ! (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension
[04:34] <nsillik> ah, i was just about to ask you
[04:34] <nsillik> you have two options
[04:34] <nsillik> yo ucan disable composite
[04:34] <Albacker> dantheman, or you can use cdrecord [if you like terminal !! ] 
[04:34] <nsillik> or
[04:34] <nsillik> add this to your device section of your xorg.conf: Option          "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[04:35] <nsillik> no promises that will work well though, it doesn't work on my machine
[04:35] <cavediver> nsillik: yes that last one i Tried, but my xserver didn't start after that.
[04:35] <elcu> muzza: isn't there a themes folder?
[04:36] <nsillik> cavediver: yeah, bad things happen here with that too, it's rather experimental, especially with nVidia
[04:36] <cavediver> ohh i see.
[04:36] <cavediver> damn.
[04:36] <dantheman> while the terminal is great, i can't imagine it not being a huge pain to make a list of files in the terminal to add to a cd
[04:36] <nsillik> cavediver: so, just disable composite, eventually it will work, but not now
[04:36] <dcraven> Upayavira, I upgraded my Debian sid system in place to Hoary. If you want to try that (it had a couple of wrinkles, but few) then you could just back up the important bits and keep the rest where it is.
[04:36] <nsillik> cavediver: maybe breezy.
[04:36] <cavediver> I want that composite but i want this tv-out issue solved also-
[04:36] <cavediver> nsillik: I'm on breezy
[04:37] <nsillik> cavediver: i meant the final version.... who knows, try loading composite whenever you see a change to your nvidia driver, or to libcomposite... they're bound to fix it eventually
[04:37] <Upayavira> dcraven - I want to reformat. Clean start. Larger swap, etc. (i've got 10Gb unaccounted for on my HDD, hence desire for clean start)
[04:37] <elcu> muzza: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1786
[04:37] <elcu> muzza: you need to drag the .jar file to the themes dialog./
[04:37] <dcraven> Upayavira, I see.
[04:37] <Phr0stByte> Have there been no updates lately, or do I have something broken in apt?
[04:38] <muzza> elcu; OK I'll give it a go.  (thanx for replying)
[04:38] <finn> Phr0stByte, it's probably a well-deserved holiday
[04:38] <SeamusLT> Phr0sByte:  Ubuntu Hoary is stable now
[04:38] <Echylo> breezy up to now too
[04:38] <Echylo> :p
[04:38] <SeamusLT> Phr0sByte:  I think the last thing they're going to do is roll out some driver updates and from then on it's security
[04:39] <dcraven> I'm not sure it's wise to recommend breezy to folks just yet.
[04:39] <dantheman> i'm using the gstreamer mad plugin in rhythmbox, and it sounds a bit staticy when i play mp3s
[04:39] <dantheman> does anyone else have the same problem/know how to fix it?
[04:39] <membreya> tbird: just did a speed test on my cable and I got 3500kbps
[04:39] <tbird> nice
[04:39] <Phr0stByte> OK - I never noticed anything that was not stable anyway - just wondering why I dont ever see the update icon anymore...
[04:40] <SeamusLT> Phr0stByte:  There will be updates, just not very many...
[04:40] <Phr0stByte> cool
[04:40] <tbird> 2668.4 Kbps  here
[04:40] <muzza> elcu;  That worked for one of them, thanks.  Got a weird answer to one of them "Only works with firefox v0.1 - v1.0"  That's all of 'em!
[04:40] <SeamusLT> Phr0stByte:  There's been a feature freeze  in main/restricted.  I'm not sure how universe works though.
[04:41] <elcu> muzza: heh. that is weird.
[04:42] <membreya> tbird: speeds a great thing, I complain if my downloads are slower than 500Kb/s
[04:42] <cavediver> Phr0stByte: there will only be security updates.
[04:42] <tbird> membreya, yeah i used to have DSL got around 50Kb/s top
[04:42] <Xebitx> i am trying to install enemy territory but I keep getting permission denied on et-linux-2.56-2.x86.run
[04:43] <Xebitx> -rw-r--r--  1 martin martin 270687706 2005-04-16 16:34 et-linux-2.56-2.x86.run
[04:43] <tbird> membreya, so for me this 2Mbit connection is sweet
[04:43] <Xebitx> its the x right?
[04:44] <Xebitx> never mind
[04:44] <queuetue> membreya, How active is the list, usually?  (I've also posted here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=135196#post135196 )
[04:45] <membreya> queuetue: on the mailing list, I generally receive 100 - 150 emails a day
[04:45] <orangehaw> any klibido users in here?
[04:48] <dantheman> does anyone else have a problem with white noise in the background of playing mp3's?
[04:48] <Xebitx> how can I check how much space I got left on the filesystem
[04:48] <Xebitx> ?
[04:48] <membreya> du -h
[04:48] <membreya> erm df
[04:48] <membreya> even
[04:48] <mike> anyone on ubuntu 5.04 here?
[04:48] <membreya> df -h
[04:48] <queuetue> The fact that the install and DSL boot and can use the drive fine is really the strange thing here...
[04:48] <engie> Hi. I've got a pcmcia flash card reader. When I put a card in syslog shows /dev/hde1 being created, but this doesn't get mounted on my desktop. Can I prod gnome into showing these automagically? I have everything relevant in gnome-volume-manager switched on
[04:49] <engie> (Running hoary)
[04:49] <membreya> engie: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[04:49] <membreya> mike: most people are ;)
[04:49] <mike> ah
[04:49] <mike> i just installed it
[04:49] <mike> its awesome
[04:50] <mike> however my screen resolution is terrible
[04:50] <engie> membreya: dbus restarted successfully, still no joy on the mounting front
[04:50] <membreya> hmmm
[04:51] <CarlK> what is the thing used to do translations?  rosetta stone or something like that?
[04:51] <mike> has that happened toanyone else?
[04:51] <tbird> mike edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf change the default resolution in there
[04:51] <joshua__> Hey.  I have a .deb file that I want to install.  I read the dpkg man page, but it didn't help me much.  Am I even supposed to be using dpkg for this?
[04:51] <dimatrod> hi, anybody here installed a 32 bit chroot over 64 bit ubuntu?
[04:51] <tbird> dpkg -i package.deb
[04:51] <joshua__> Thanks, tbird
[04:51] <tbird> np
[04:51] <dimatrod> cause i need the do_dchroot file
[04:52] <mike> how do you install kde also? it doesn't give you that option while your isntalling
[04:52] <dimatrod> mike, you do that by deselecting gnome stuff and then selecting kde stuff (the necesary to work on kde, not everything)
[04:52] <tbird> apt-get install kde
[04:53] <dimatrod> or that
[04:53] <astro76> mike: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[04:53] <dimatrod> hey, but anybody please, PLEASE, can they tell me where to find a do_dhroot?
[04:53] <membreya> engie: try a reinstall of HAL
[04:53] <dimatrod> come on, this isn't that difficult since you guys probably had to do it
[04:53] <dimatrod> PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:54] <mike> thanks astro76 and dimatrod
[04:54] <mishof> Q: once i open a game (eternal lands) i cant hear sound on xmms. is there a way to prevent the game from taking over ? so that the game wont have sound and xmms will, or both will ?
[04:54] <SeamusLT> dimatrod:  Wish I could help you, there must be some guides somwhere though
[04:54] <membreya> dimatrod: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[04:55] <SeamusLT> dimatrod:  see, what membreya said :)
[04:55] <dimatrod> seamuslt:  already googled and everything and didnt find anything
[04:55] <dimatrod> ...oh
[04:55] <Pluk> dimatrod, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:55] <Pluk> i followed that one
[04:55] <SeamusLT> dimatrod:  Well google isn't always your friend.  The first place you should check is the wiki, then the forums for howto guides
[04:55] <Pluk> do_dchroot is in package dchroot
[04:55] <mishof> you guys ? :(
[04:56] <dimatrod> Pluk:  I was using that thread
[04:56] <dimatrod> but didnt quite find much about do_dchroot
[04:56] <dimatrod> I;m in the middle of chroot installation
[04:57] <Pluk> ah wait you need to create you own do_dchroot file
[04:57] <Pluk> i was mistaken
[04:57] <Pluk> its in step 4
[04:58] <dimatrod> ...so you create it and everything on it is just the lines you have to ad?
[04:58] <Pluk> indeed
[04:58] <Pluk> do_dchroot is just a small simple script
[04:58] <queuetue> Going AMD64 was proabably a gigantic waste of money, wasnt it?
[04:58] <dimatrod> wow, all this whining yesterday and today and it was just that simple....
[04:58] <Pluk> containing:     *  #!/bin/sh
[04:58] <Pluk>     * /usr/bin/dchroot -d "`echo $0 | sed 's|^.*/||'` $*"
[04:58] <dimatrod> thank you for enlightening me
[04:58] <Pluk> well without the *
[04:59] <Pluk> queuetue, why? it outperforms a athlon xp
[05:00] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Don't see how AMD64 is a gigantic waste of money.  Do you not get better performace in a system compiled specifically for that architecture?
[05:00] <Pluk> even in 32bit
[05:00] <queuetue> Pluk, SeamusLP Well, if it won't boot... :)
[05:00] <Pluk> queuetue, i cant follow you
[05:01] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Many have gotten it to boot.  Perhaps you should ask for help.
[05:01] <queuetue> SeamusLT, I've actually been asking for help for 2 days. ;)
[05:02] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Isn't there an amd64 section of the forums?
[05:02] <queuetue> Asking again:  I've done a fresh install of hoary-AMD64 and I'm encountering the same kernel bug as last night:  "Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0" and a kernel panic on boot...  (This was an MSI K8n Neo4 Platinum/SLI  with the nvidia nforce4 chipset)  ... can anyone lend a hand in helping me understand this?
[05:02] <Pluk> there is
[05:02] <Pluk> hardware failing is my first thought
[05:02] <queuetue> SeamusLT, there is, and I've just posted a question there, but I have no idea if anyone will be able to answer...
[05:02] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  First of all, does it work with an amd64 livecd?
[05:02] <SeamusLT> queuetue I would imagine so
[05:02] <queuetue> Pluk, DSL works fine, and this disk works fine an an AMD-32 machine.
[05:02] <jazon> Hi - I am installing Win4Lin, and I get the error  failed to get screen information: make sure $DISPLAY is set
[05:02] <jazon> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[05:02] <Pluk> does it work with windows if you use that?
[05:03] <queuetue> SeamusLT, It appears no, but I'm rebooting from a cold start now.
[05:03] <queuetue> Pluk, I haven't used windows in 4 years. :)
[05:03] <Pluk> :D
[05:03] <Pluk> good thumbs up :)
[05:04] <mike> i havent used it in almost 3
[05:04] <mike> go linux go
[05:04] <dcraven> jazon, does "echo $DISPLAY" give any output?
[05:04] <SeamusLT> queuetue: I'd try multiple kernels
[05:04] <jazon> dcraven, yes....this:  jazon@juggy:/$ echo $DISPLAY
[05:04] <jazon> jazon@juggy:/$
[05:05] <jazon> a blank line
[05:05] <membreya> queuetue: lucky bugger ;) I finally ditched my windows partition a week ago .. I feel so liberated..and spacious (windows had a 20gb partition)
[05:05] <dcraven> jazon, try this, "export DISPLAY=:0.0"
[05:05] <Pluk> i need windows for some school software :(
[05:06] <membreya> Pluk: run wine :)
[05:06] <dcraven> jazon, then run win4lin or whatever you do with it.
[05:06] <jazon> jazon@juggy:/$ echo $DISPLAY
[05:06] <jazon> :0.0
[05:06] <Pluk> dont curse membreya
[05:06] <Pluk> :P
[05:06] <membreya> :P
[05:06] <SeamusLT> membreya:  I'm a gamer, gotta have that windoze partition until vmware comes out with full direct3d support
[05:06] <queuetue> SeamusLT, How would you install another kernel on a box that will not boot?
[05:06] <Pluk> solidworks doesnt run with wine or cedega unfortunally
[05:06] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  LiveCD?
[05:06] <membreya> queuetue: you can't even boot to recovery mode?
[05:06] <mike> how can i change my resolution? besides going to system>preferences?
[05:07] <mike> cus i only have one option there
[05:07] <Pluk> it does run on vmware 5 though
[05:07] <dcraven> Shower time.
[05:07] <mike> is editing the x config file the only way?
[05:07] <h1dr0tr1p> xorgconfig
[05:07] <Pluk> but not really fast, it sa 3d modeller
[05:07] <devdude> where is the start button? and I cant find internet explorer
[05:07] <devdude> har har
[05:07] <membreya> lol devdude :P
[05:07] <h1dr0tr1p> ja ja
[05:07] <dantheman> mike: you should be able to add all of your monitor's valid resolutions and refresh rates in xorg.conf
[05:08] <devdude> whats up ubuntu fans :)
[05:08] <Pluk> :)
[05:08] <h1dr0tr1p> wassup
[05:08] <dantheman> then they should show up in system->preferences
[05:08] <h1dr0tr1p> kubuntu
[05:08] <jazon> dcraven_awy, you the man! thanks!
[05:09] <cavediver> Is there a way to have a default transset of 0.7 using composite ?
[05:09] <Pluk> xubuntu
[05:11] <queuetue> SeamusLT, trying to boot it now, but it has failed a fw times now - hardware not found, etc...
[05:12] <SeamusLT> queuetue: hummm.  Maybe an x86 livecd?
[05:12] <jazon> say, I have an HP m1080n with the ATI 300 PCI-E card - my TV out is totally scrambled - is there a way to fix this?
[05:13] <queuetue> SeamusLP, Well, DSL boots fine, but hoary x86 and hoary amd64 seem to be no-go (the install anyway.)  The AMD64 hoary livecd also seems to be a no-go...
[05:14] <SeamusLT> queuetue  something's not right about that, amd64 is fully backwards compatible, if it were an issue related to 64 bit computing I think you'd be fine with x86
[05:15] <queuetue> It gets to "Starting Enterprise Volume Management" and the it just spins the CD up and down , up and down, up and down, for at least 5 minutes...
[05:16] <Xebitx> is there shortcut keys to shutdown ubuntu?
[05:16] <Xebitx> instead of going to System -> Log out
[05:16] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Maybe a bad cd?
[05:16] <queuetue> THis is why I said I should not have gone with the 64-bit machine....  if I had just gotten a big athlon, I'd probably be good to go now.
[05:16] <SeamusLT> Xebit:  You can modify those in system preferences quite easily
[05:16] <queuetue> SeamusLT, Nope, i just had to let it run for 10 minutes of up and down - now it is continuing.
[05:16] <rosco> conference about software patent on #ooonlc
[05:17] <kyncani> queuetue: me would think about a bad cd too
[05:18] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Try burning new CDs.  Burn them slow.
[05:19] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  It seems to me that if all of them are failing there must be some type of failure somewhere
[05:19] <SeamusLT> queuetue: hardware failure, that is
[05:19] <queuetue> How would the speed the cd was burned at (or the queality of it) cause an I/O panic with hda1 on reboot?
[05:19] <queuetue> SeamusLT, DSL is *not* failing - it's fine...
[05:20] <shining> queuetue, dsl is nice
[05:20] <knucks> anyone here run an ipod on ubuntu?>
[05:20] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  I thought you said that it was hanging during install?
[05:20] <queuetue> shining, ubuntu is nicer/ :)
[05:21] <shining> queuetue, why?
[05:21] <queuetue> SeamusLT, No, hangs after iitial reboot, after install.
[05:21] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  And will not boot in recovery mode either, correct?
[05:21] <knucks> ipod anyeone?
[05:21] <shining> knucks, no
[05:22] <queuetue> shining, It's a "full" distro - dsl uses busybox to fake a lot of commands, and never quitre approaches a 'real distro' in quality.
[05:22] <jazon> say, I have an HP m1080n with the ATI 300 PCI-E card - my TV out is totally scrambled - is there a way to fix this?
[05:22] <queuetue> SeamusLT, To be very clear - what is "recovery mode"?
[05:22] <shining> queuetue, hmm maybe
[05:22] <shining> queuetue, try arch then :)
[05:23] <knucks> how do i load the iee1394 module?
[05:23] <holly> Anyone have experience using Ubuntu with the crappy Qwest with MSN DSL service?  Im able to browse the web, but dns lookups are slow, and I cant get on to AIM, Yahoo, etc.
[05:23] <queuetue> shining, ubuntu is actually a damned fine disto - why are you pimping others in here? :)
[05:23] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  When you're booting you should be able to choose between the recovery and normal
[05:24] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  in grub
[05:25] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  If you can get it to boot in that manner it should be trivial to try a different kernel
[05:25] <elektrolyytti> im installing Paragon NTFS driver and its asking me to install kernel sources first. What do i have to do?
[05:25] <shining> elektrolyytti, install kernel sources :p
[05:26] <elektrolyytti> shining: how?
[05:26] <iocaste> is there a utility that will tile or cascade window for Gnome?
[05:26] <shining> elektrolyytti, I don't know. ask synaptic
[05:27] <queuetue> SeamusLT, Same failure, but more verbose:  First I get a number of DriveReady SeekComplete Errors... and DireveStatusError BadCRC Errors, then the panic...
[05:28] <knucks> so no one here has an ipod?
[05:28] <liable> elektrolyytti: apt-get kernel-source blah?
[05:29] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  It strikes me that this happens only on bootup and not during install.  Gotta be a kernel problem.  There are options you can pass to the kernel to make it not use certain things, however I think recovery mode takes care of that
[05:30] <jazon> does anyone know why my tvout is scrambled under Hoary?  ATI 300 pci-e
[05:31] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Maybe during install there's some way to grab another kernel somewhere?
[05:32] <gerardo> hola buenas tardes alguien me puede ayudar?
[05:32] <DocUb> ?
[05:33] <thenuke> gerardo: #ubuntu.es
[05:33] <gerardo> tengo una duda de linux
[05:33] <thenuke> gerardo: go to #ubuntu.es or speak english in here, thank you :)
[05:34] <Raskall> I am writing about my home network and the software I use on my home page. Is the following paragraph correct? The best thing with my home network is that I only use completely free software. And not only free as in not having to pay for it, but as in that you can do absolutely what you want with the software. Even sell it for millions and millions, but on the condition that you make the source and your changes available to the world.
[05:35] <sig> Raskall: go to #english101
[05:35] <Burgundavia> Raskall, basically, but you can word it in a more consise way
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Raskall, and different licenses have different restrictions
[05:36] <chaitatp> Raskall, i would recommend you to read some article from ''Free as in Freedom''. There's eBook from O'Reilly site
[05:36] <Raskall> Burgundavia: I know, but I just want a 3-4 line paragraph about it. Not a complete essay. :)
[05:37] <Raskall> Burgundavia: check my page on http://rolfas.net/?page_id=314
[05:37] <chaitatp> Raskall: you will find some sentences like ''Free as in speech not in  beer
[05:38] <Raskall> chaitatp: yes, but those require that you are familiar with the fsf and such.
[05:39] <chaitatp> Raskall: love your site
[05:40] <Raskall> chaitatp: thnx. :)
[05:40] <chaitatp> Raskall: why don't you just create a link to the gnu's web or something for readers to gain more knowledge about free s/w by themselves
[05:41] <Raskall> chaitatp: I guess. :) Didn't think about that.
[05:41] <chaitatp> Raskall: within that paragraph, i mean
[05:42] <Raskall> chaitatp: will link to fsf.org.
[05:43] <georges> hi
[05:43] <georges> is there anyone using ayttm ?
[05:44] <Raskall> this better? The best thing with my home network is that I only use completely free software. And not only free as in not having to pay for it, but as in that you can do absolutely what you want with the software. Read more about Free software on <a href="http://www.fsf.org/" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a>.
[05:44] <nic__> anybody have any suggestions for a good groupware suite for a newbie?
[05:44] <blazaah> any tool for mounting bin files?
[05:44] <Burgundavia> nic__, what do you need from the groupware suite?
[05:45] <blazaah> like damon tools?
[05:45] <nic__> email forums im file managmt
[05:45] <nic__> thanx for responding burgundavia
[05:46] <Burgundavia> nic__, hmm
[05:46] <chaitatp> Raskall: better now :D
[05:46] <Raskall> chaitatp: thanks. :) less is more, I guess.
[05:46] <chaitatp> Raskall: and let the fsf speaks for you :D
[05:46] <membreya> blazaah: convert the file to an ISO with bchunk
[05:47] <membreya> then mount it
[05:47] <nic__> i was looking at phpgroupware
[05:47] <nic__> but i just wanted to check with some people before i dive into it
[05:47] <nic__> i'm a big linux fan but not that technical
[05:47] <Raskall> chaitatp: jup.
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nic__, php has some security issues
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nic__, why not seperate out the fuctions
[05:48] <nic__> good to know
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nic__, for mail, use postfix
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nic__, for im, use jabber
[05:48] <Raskall> nic__: I installed phpgroupware just for fun once. Was ok, not worse and not better than any of the others I tried.
[05:48] <nic__> making notes
[05:48] <membreya> blazaah: or else you can use cdemu
[05:48] <resmo_> why is gpdf not installed by default, xpdf is not integrated in gnome and isn't possible to print pdfs over the network printer configured in gnome...that sucks
[05:48] <Burgundavia> resmo_, xpdf can do things that gpdf cant
[05:49] <jinx``> is there a video editing tool for creating und cutting xvid?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> resmo_, evince is default for breezy
[05:49] <nic__> thanx burgundavia
[05:49] <membreya> blazaah: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/
[05:49] <Raskall> resmo_: if you have cups correctly set up it shouldn't be a problem printing from xpdf. I've don it "thousands" of times.
[05:50] <blazaah> supposedly you can play bin files directly from mplayer $ mplayer cue://<cue file>[:track]  [options] 
[05:50] <blazaah> k tnx membreya
[05:50] <nic__> I've never been able to setup a network printer in linux without smb4k
[05:50] <queuetue> Well, good news - the new livecd works fine ( membreya , thanks for the 'burn it slower' hint).  No network, but the rest is working...
[05:50] <membreya> np
[05:50] <membreya> google is your best friend
[05:50] <nic__> which sux cause i'm using gnome fulltime now
[05:51] <SeamusLT> queuetue:  Glad to see that works now
[05:51] <Burgundavia> nic__, you might also want to check out hula
[05:52] <nic__> cool
[05:52] <Raskall> nic__: earlier I just pointed my browser to http://localhost:631 to set up network printing, since none of the guis for setting up printers havent worked. But in Ubuntu it actually works. :)
[05:52] <nic__> thanx
[05:52] <georges> anyone here using ayttm?
[05:53] <kingsley> Epson said that my printer may not be printing cyan because I'm using a non-Epson cartridge for black ink.
[05:53] <chaitatp> which program is used to develop flash application in linux?
[05:53] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, wine+fireworks(I think)
[05:53] <nic__> hey raskall how do you setup a passwd for cups, which that is asking for,
[05:54] <chaitatp> Burgundavia: thanks i will try wine someday
[05:54] <Raskall> hmm.. I just realized. I haven't had the need to run windows applications in over a year.
[05:54] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, wine is a windows compatibility layer
[05:54] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, and then you buy the official macromedia program
[05:55] <membreya> buy...you're funny :P
[05:55] <chaitatp> Burgundavia: jup
[05:55] <Burgundavia> membreya, I don't condone piracy
[05:55] <rhow> is there a channel specific for ubuntu on PowerPC arch?
[05:55] <expose> hi guys
[05:55] <expose> "The Ubuntu team will send you Ubuntu CDs at no charge, for you to install and share. We will cover the cost of shipping the CDs to you as well." <-- who pays for all this?
[05:55] <Burgundavia> rhow, nope
[05:56] <membreya> nor I Burgundavia, hence why I moved to Linux.. I'll be stuffed if I'm paying hundreds of dollars for software
[05:56] <Burgundavia> expose, mark shuttleworth and canonical
[05:56] <Burgundavia> rhow, there is one for kde though
[05:56] <expose> i see.
[05:56] <nic__> piracy totally destorys open source
[05:56] <expose> looks like he really wants to change things.
[05:56] <Burgundavia> expose, he has money and vision
[05:57] <rhow> right, how to eject the CD from my powerbook? i "sudo umount"ed it. the button on the top right corner of keyboard won't work
[05:57] <expose> obvisously.
[05:57] <serfurj> nic__: what do you mean?
[05:57] <Raskall> Aghh.. installing service pack 2 in WinXP in vmware really slows down my ubuntu... I guess thats another advantage with ubuntu. You never need to install more than 6 months of updates when you install.
[05:57] <confrey> hi everybody
[05:57] <expose> obviously
[05:58] <serfurj> nic__: how can open source software be pirated?
[05:58] <expose> (sorry for my spelling;-)
[05:58] <Xappe> if you can afford space travelling, you can afford shipping some cd:s :)
[05:58] <nic__> that wasn't my point serf
[05:58] <nic__> lol
[05:58] <membreya> :| I thought that comment was odd
[05:58] <membreya> lol
[05:58] <nic__> i mean that piracy is a negative thing for open source
[05:58] <expose> Do the torrents have enough seeds for reasonable speeD?
[05:58] <membreya> how so nic__ ?
[05:59] <Arcane> How can I get Ubuntu to mount USB devices?
[05:59] <nic__> piracy contibutes to the closed source community by making people think that they have to pirate software
[05:59] <membreya> that makes no sense whatsoever
[05:59] <Arcane> lsusb SHOWS the devices, but I can't get, say, resolve.conf to find them.
[06:00] <Arcane> ... Piracy exists because people can't pay, or don't want to.
[06:00] <membreya> Arcane: you do realise resolv.conf is for networking?
[06:00] <Arcane> They think "expensive! Whee!" = "Good"
[06:00] <Arcane> Yes, I do. Do you realize I'm talking about a modem nobody's been able to help me with in like two weeks?
[06:01] <membreya> Arcane: have you gone beyond IRC?
[06:01] <rhow> anyone running ubuntu on a powerbook?
[06:01] <Arcane> ... Yes, I have. I've been searching online like mad.
[06:01] <membreya> Arcane: I'm referring to the forums/mailing lists
[06:02] <Arcane> Ubuntu Forums don't give me a reply, and mailing lists, if someone asks, everyone goes "MAYBE YOU SHOUDL BUY AN ETHERNET CARD IT"D BE LESS TROUBL:E" etc etc.
[06:02] <kurt> Uhm.
[06:02] <kurt> question.
[06:02] <Arcane> Answer.
[06:02] <kurt> I knew it.
[06:02] <kurt> Thanks for the help!
[06:02] <Arcane> Then why'd you ask?
[06:02] <expose> Burgundavia: Is there a "normal developer community", as with debian, gentoo and others as well?
[06:02] <kurt> How do I go about switching gdm to entrance.
[06:02] <expose> yes, right?
[06:03] <georges> kurt: what is "entrance" ?
[06:03] <kurt> georges: another display manager
[06:03] <Arcane> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 06a9:0005 Westell  <- There's the USB device, by the way. Nothing I've been able to do'll even get the modem's USB light flashing.
[06:03] <Arcane> Its dhclient gives me "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776"
[06:03] <georges> kurt: applications->system tools->new login
[06:03] <expose> and - is there some source where you can read about shuttleworth? i mean - i once before search but didnt find much, like - how he got all the money. this is unusual for millionaires...
[06:03] <kent> Arcane, I just got on irc so I have missed your problem. Is the problem that you have an adsl-modem that connects with usb rather than ethernet? If so, have you looked at eciadsl?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> expose, what do you mean by normal?
[06:03] <Arcane> No, but I will. One second.
[06:04] <Burgundavia> expose, are there any "normal developers"
[06:04] <astro76> expose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth
[06:04] <Burgundavia> expose, I might pay money to go see one
[06:04] <Arcane> Great, French.
[06:04] <will> how do i change a directory and everything in it to be writeable by a user(ie me) the dir is /opt/azureus
[06:05] <Arcane> ... kent, it's not in there. It's a Westell Wirespeed.
[06:05] <kent> Arcane, I got my brothers usb-modem to work with it, but it takes a lot of reading etc. But they have an irc-channel, etc, and if you ask politly and with the relevant information it should work.
[06:05] <georges> will: sudo chown -R $(id -un) /opt/azureus
[06:06] <Arcane> Oh, great. Now I feel stupid; "Page in English."
[06:06] <will> georges: is it litrally that code, or do i need to substitiute something?
[06:06] <georges> no, the id -un does the substitution (your username)
[06:06] <kent> Arcane, atleast i think that package is the last way out for a lot of people with usb-adsl :(
[06:06] <will> georges: thanks!
[06:07] <kurt> what's just the logon file...
[06:07] <kurt> heh
[06:07] <Raskall> Argh.. When my P4M-processor gets too hot my wlan adapter freezes the whole computer.
[06:07] <expose> Burgundavia: well - this is why i used "s - i meant like...a developer community which is more or less open for everyone to join, similar to debina, gentoo, whatever else.
[06:08] <will> georges: ta it worked :)
[06:08] <Arcane> The modem's in the HIDDEN space. :o It's not unsupported or supported or maybe supported.
[06:08] <sig> why is it getting to hot Raskall ?
[06:08] <kent> Didn't firefox/mozilla get a securityupdate in hoary? I thought i read something about that. But I have not yet got it on my Hoary :(  Whats the version of the update? So that i can check if its already installed..
[06:08] <Raskall> sig: because its pentium 4? :) At least its the only explanation I have. Each time the wlan acts up, the temp is over 80 degrees centigrade
[06:09] <mifune> can anyone help me with making my soundblaster 16 card work? searching on the ubuntu forum and with google didnt really help.
[06:09] <sig> Raskall: odd cause I run a P4 and have never experienced that problem.
[06:09] <Raskall> sig: on a laptop?
[06:09] <sig> yes
[06:09] <sig> sony vaio
[06:09] <Raskall> sig: ok.. ibm a31/p here.
[06:10] <blazaah> if im installing vlc in ubuntu, which packages do i need?
[06:10] <Raskall> sig: but it only happens when I actually have it on my lap. if I have it on my desk it's always ok.
[06:10] <will> i have an ibitza PC (ibitza this ibitza that)
[06:11] <Raskall> sig: I get som memory errors from the prism2.5-card.
[06:12] <Raskall> sig: and the wlan-card will not start if I boot immediately and gives a lot of "Error -110 writing TX descriptor to BAP" or something. Googled for a solution lots of times but never found one.
[06:12] <membreya> Arcane: is it listed in your dmesg properly?
[06:13] <Arcane> I didn't save my demsg, sadly.
[06:13] <Arcane> It is detected and all though.
[06:13] <MrNonchalant> with a more or less default install of apache 2.x from the repository, how would one enable SSL? all the online guides I can find have file structures that look nothing like the one from the deb
[06:13] <Raskall> sig: but I will buy an usb dongle soon and remove the built in wlan-card permanently.
[06:14] <MrNonchalant> I already have test certs, the mod enabled, the port set to listen, and the firewalls to pass through
[06:14] <MrNonchalant> right now I'm grappling with virtual hosts
[06:15] <Arcane> Do I have to do make menuconfig and such to enable USB support in Ubuntu?
[06:15] <Raskall> Arcane: no.. usb support should be on in the default kernel.
[06:15] <membreya> Arcane: why don't you unplug it and plug it back in and check your dmesg?
[06:15] <Raskall> Arcane: if you have a supported usb controller.
[06:15] <Arcane> ... membreya, I really would
[06:16] <kurt> what is the config file to change the display manager?
[06:16] <georges> Arcane: if you type "lsmod | grep usb" and it lists something then usb is active
[06:16] <membreya> kurt: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:16] <Arcane> But then I'd have to turn the computer off, put the disc in, reboot, load Ubuntu, unplug it, replug it, and then demsg and all. :\
[06:17] <kurt> membreya: not that display manager.
[06:17] <kurt> the one, like GDM.
[06:17] <kurt> or KDM.
[06:17] <georges> obvious. how else would Arcane be in the chat
[06:17] <membreya> oh dher me :P
[06:17] <jessica_> does anyone have a working xorg.conf for an i810 chipset?
[06:17] <Arcane> Closest I can get is dhclienting ferociously at you.
[06:17] <Raskall> kurt: do you want to configure or just switch display manager? I used "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" and got an option to set kdm as default dm
[06:17] <kurt> Raskall: I'm not going to use kdm or gdm.
[06:18] <georges> Arcane: I hope we are talking about an usb-adsl modem and not an usb-analog modem
[06:18] <confrey> hi, while trying to import anything in thunderbird, the app crash with a segfault, this is the output : FILE: [xpconnect wrapped nsIFile] DOUBLE-CLICK: 400 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh: line 159: 10476 Segmentation fault    "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
[06:18] <membreya> sit0 is just your IPv6
[06:18] <Arcane> USB-ADSL.
[06:18] <confrey> what can I do?
[06:18] <membreya> it should be usb0 AFAIK
[06:18] <Raskall> kurt: ok. I guess its somewhere in /etc/X11, but I dont know where.
[06:18] <jessica_> I am either getting no response at all on VT 7 or a max of 640x480 in X
[06:18] <Arcane> I know, I know. :P I'm trying to pick on dhclient
[06:18] <kurt> I already changed it there.
[06:18] <kurt> default-display-manager?
[06:19] <kurt> still no go.
[06:19] <Arcane> Hm, should I sign up for a free 56k service really quick, and sign on with it?
[06:19] <georges> hmm... unfortunately I did know before that I was going to use linux on DSL... so I got an ethernet model. I did read beforehand that USB ist not really well supported.
[06:19] <georges> but that was 3 years ago. may have changed now
[06:20] <jessica_> does anyone have an experience with anything even remotely similar to an i810 graphics chipset, I can't get it to work at all
[06:20] <Raskall> oops.. store closes in 40 minutes.. has to go.. c ya l83
[06:20] <Raskall> l8r, even
[06:21] <dcahrakos> can someone help me with this
[06:21] <dcahrakos> Well, basically, I burned the hoary iso to a cd, rebooted, set my bios to boot from cd, then I got to the screen where it says press enter to boot, I do that and it does a couple things, and gets to uncompressing linux and booting kernel or something of that nature, and then my pc, just resets..
[06:21] <MrNonchalant> has anyone configured SSL here before?
[06:21] <georges> Arcane: your usb should turn up in "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" and if it's not listed as something known I don't think it will be easy to make work
[06:21] <blizah> any gui application go unrar an archive in ubuntu?
[06:21] <blizah> ive seen unrar-nonfree but i dont think its a gui
[06:21] <tbird> why arent there ever any ops in here ?
[06:21] <Arcane> ... Yeah, it's shown. :<
[06:21] <MrNonchalant> nonsense georges, all he'd have to do is write a driver
[06:22] <MrNonchalant> peace of cake
[06:22] <MrNonchalant> ;)
[06:22] <Arcane> tbird - They appear when needed, much like the trolls appear when hated.
[06:22] <georges> dcahrakos: the knoppix people say: burn your booting CD at single speed. that seems to resolve a lot of issues
[06:22] <tbird> heh
[06:22] <Arcane> Luckily, nobody wants trolls and the ops have taken care of enough of them.
[06:22] <tbird> thats good
[06:22] <dcahrakos> like 1x speed?
[06:22] <georges> dcahrakos: yeah.
[06:22] <goldfish> they also appear when those morons come on dcc sending viruses to everyneone
[06:22] <MrNonchalant> ugh
[06:22] <thechitowncubs> Have any of you used XFCE?
[06:23] <Pluk> i use it now
[06:23] <goldfish> I have.
[06:23] <tbird> I like this channel would be a pitty to be ruined by trolls
[06:23] <goldfish> And do, it's great.
[06:23] <thechitowncubs> It works good with ubuntu
[06:23] <thechitowncubs> i love how it works seamlessly with nautilus
[06:23] <georges> has anyone used ayttm ?
[06:23] <Pluk> xfce is awesome
[06:23] <MrNonchalant> SSL anyone? anyone at all?
[06:23] <gen> xfce4* is awesome, yes
[06:23] <TaxMan> How do I edit the default OS in GRUB from Windows? ubuntuguide.org only mentions how to do it from ubuntu.
[06:23] <blizah> is unrar as a opposed to unrar-nonfree a gui?
[06:23] <Pluk> gen, indeed :)
[06:24] <georges> MrNaughty: yeah
[06:24] <tbird> TaxMan, whats the prob you cant boot into linux ?
[06:24] <Arcane> Someone ought to make a OS called Troll. Based off Gnome, yaknow?
[06:24] <dcahrakos> georges, but what if the cd boots in VMware?
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> it seems so much more efficient than gnome
[06:24] <Arcane> And then it autodetects if you're trolling and runs 1,000,000 open source Clippys.
[06:24] <azad> how to see a partition table with anything in.. ntfs and so on, too?
[06:24] <MrNonchalant> Arcane: It should spit curse ords at you instaed of error messages.
[06:24] <georges> dcahrakos: as long as it's a physical CD it can have physical problems
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> even when running gnome apps
[06:25] <Pluk> i just like its simplicity
[06:25] <dcahrakos> I suppose its worth a try
[06:25] <georges> dcahrakos: if it's fine in VM, then your PC has some... ermm... issue.
[06:25] <dcahrakos> ah
[06:25] <dcahrakos> damn
[06:25] <Arcane> Heck, how can you get the Live CD to save settings to the hard disk?
[06:25] <georges> dcahrakos: try with a live CD, knoppix or ubuntu
[06:25] <blizah> do i want unrar or unrar-nonfree (looking for a gui application for unraring)?
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> file roller can handle rar
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> just install rar and unrar
[06:26] <Arcane> blizah, if it's either of those
[06:26] <cycom> Until Ubuntu, I hated gnome.
[06:26] <Arcane> Get unrar, because free > not free. Support open source. :P
[06:26] <cycom> now I love it.
[06:26] <azad> how to see a partition table of for example /dev/hda?
[06:26] <blizah> arcane is unrar a gui by any chance or just command line unraring?
[06:26] <cycom> azad: use fdisk or cfdisk?
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> I just don't like KDE
[06:26] <Xappe> blizah: commandline
[06:26] <Arcane> I don't know. Try looking for stuffit or some such.
[06:26] <jessica_> I'm having very odd things happening with a 100% fresh hoary install, I'm getting a bunch of funky characters in debconf and now my cursor has disappeared from the terminal
[06:26] <jessica_> this is freaky
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> gnome is good, but i just discovered XFCE
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> and im surpirsed
[06:27] <azad> thanks cycom
[06:27] <cycom> azad: np.
[06:27] <Jet2k5> Hello guys, anyone here running a home server with ubuntu?
[06:27] <georges> jessica_: my last install also messed up the terminal settings but it finished ok.
[06:27] <cycom> azad: do you have more than one computer?
[06:27] <AilleantSian> is anyone here running on a belkin wlan card at all ?
[06:27] <gen> jet2k5 yes why
[06:27] <azad> cycom: mhh yes, why?
[06:28] <azad> well.. one laptop and one computer..
[06:28] <ogb> HI, how is ubuntu unstable called now?
[06:28] <Jet2k5> gen, where do all the files go? in warty they went in /var/www/apache2-default
[06:28] <azad> ogb: breezy is what you're looking for i guess
[06:28] <cycom> azad: try installing gentoo on it.  It'll teach you a lot of basic stuff that's good to know.  It's a bitch and a half to do though.
[06:28] <gen> i dont run a web server jet, i run a fileserver
[06:28] <ogb> azad: yes :D
[06:28] <Jet2k5> but I think it changed to /var/www and I have a testphp.php in there, but when I visit my ip address it doesn't work
[06:28] <cycom> I use gentoo for all my stuff except my laptop
[06:28] <azad> i installed gentoo once
[06:28] <georges> cycom: I moved from gentoo to ubuntu. it just sucked
[06:28] <Jet2k5> gen, should be the same thing, like as far as people connecting to it
[06:28] <azad> took quite long time.. even on stage 1
[06:29] <azad> erm.. stage 1 is the easy one, isn't it?
[06:29] <TaxMan> tbird: No, but I'm in windows right now and I want to edit it.
[06:29] <thechitowncubs> how do you take a screenshot in XFCE
[06:29] <gen> jet2k5, its local
[06:29] <Jet2k5> azad, no
[06:29] <thechitowncubs> or in the console
[06:29] <Jet2k5> gen, ah, nvm
[06:29] <Jet2k5> azad, stage 3 is easy
[06:29] <azad> then stage 3..
[06:29] <Jet2k5> yeah
[06:29] <azad> okay
[06:29] <Jet2k5> stage 1 is hard, I think they call it boot-strap
[06:29] <Jet2k5> or something like that
[06:29] <georges> thechitowncubs: xwd|display
[06:29] <azad> whatever, thanks cycom but i actually don't feel like installing genott right now
[06:29] <tbird> TaxMan, there are apps you can use to cp from linux to windows but i dont think it will go the other way
[06:29] <cycom> Jet2k5: it's like 2 extra steps. it's not hard, it just takes longer
[06:30] <Jet2k5> heh what ever I'm not about to find out :P
[06:30] <cycom> wuss.
[06:30] <Jet2k5> no not a wuss, just don't want to try gentoo
[06:30] <thechitowncubs> georges: that command wasn't found
[06:30] <thechitowncubs> display wasn't found
[06:30] <markuman> hello. is there any link / how to / how to make .deb from source?
[06:30] <cycom> in any case, they're starting to move away from stage 1 and 2 so that stage 3 is the only way to go, since 1 and 2 are causing problems like circular deps and things (or so I've heard)
[06:31] <cycom> emerge -u world is nice
[06:31] <cycom> but Ubuntu is still the fast/easy/complete way to go on my laptop
[06:31] <georges> thechitowncubs: you need imagemagick, it's coming with that.
[06:31] <azad> i'm fine with apt
[06:31] <mroth> could someone who only installed hoary after *release* paste their sources.list into http://pastebin.ca/ ?  I want to compare against the release version of the document
[06:32] <georges> thechitowncubs: oops, no display here either. installing imagemagick
[06:32] <cycom> I hope 2.6.10 supports my GPS. 2.6.11 had the modules for it marked (NEW)
[06:32] <Marble2> Is there a way to change the dialogs firefox uses to upload and download files?
[06:32] <blizah> looking...no such thing as a gui unrar application?
[06:32] <membreya> kurt: /etc/X11/default-display-manager is definately where you change it
[06:32] <georges> sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[06:32] <membreya> damnit he's left lol
[06:32] <djp> can anyone help me with alterations to this line of a script file? "# datadir is the directory you want podcasts saved to: datadir=$(date +%Y-%m-%d)". what i want to do is change the location to an audio folder in my home directory. do i just replace the $ with the physical location of the folder (i.e., /home/username/audio/) or do i leave the $??? confused here! help!
[06:33] <cycom> sunava bitch. it's only suported in 2.6.11
[06:34] <georges> djp: datadir=/home/myuser/audio/$(date +%Y-%m-%d)
[06:34] <georges> djp: that is, if you want the date to be in the filename
[06:34] <akk> I notice that the hoary-final installer left the "security" lines commented out of /etc/apt/sources.list.
[06:34] <akk> Is that right?  Should I uncomment them if I want to get security updates?
[06:35] <georges> anyone using ayttm?=
[06:35] <markuman> cycom, what is emerge -u
[06:35] <markuman> ?
[06:35] <cycom> emerge --update
[06:35] <cycom> it's updates out of date packages
[06:35] <thechitowncubs> thanks george
[06:35] <cycom> or you can do emerge -eu world
[06:35] <cycom> which will recompile EVERYTHING
[06:36] <djp> georges: thanks! so what is the $ for exactly? is that to allow for a directory to be created?
[06:36] <markuman> but how to make .deb packages from source? is it prossible with apt-build ?
[06:36] <georges> djp: $(....) is excuting what is between the parenthesis and the result is put into the string
[06:36] <cycom> oh well, time for DistCC!
[06:36] <djp> georges: thankyou
[06:37] <cycom> markuman: not sure.  I never used debian for more than an hour, before replacing it.  Ubuntu is the first debian-based thing that I've liked.
[06:37] <queuetue> It definitely seems like a kernel problem - the disks work fine in another machine, the system works fine with both the livecd and a windows PE disk... Wht can I do here?
[06:38] <thechitowncubs> hello again
[06:39] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to disable the thing in gnome when you minimize it shows black boxes
[06:39] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to turn that off
[06:41] <mjr> thechitowncubs, start the gconf-editor, search for the key "reduced_resources", check it
[06:42] <mjr> though it'll have other consequences as well
[06:42] <mjr> which you might not want
[06:42] <blizah> any reason why if i want to remove totem i have to remove ubuntu-desktop also?
[06:42] <mjr> blizah, because totem is a part of ubuntu-desktop?
[06:43] <queuetue> As a test, I've agreed to install XP on the system, and see how it acts with the hardware ... I find it very distrubing that I can't op open another console during the install. :)
[06:43] <chaitatp> mjr: when you say ubuntu-desktop, do you mean gnome?
[06:44] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, he means ubuntu-desktop the meta package
[06:44] <thechitowncubs> mjr: what are the other changes that it makes?
[06:44] <blizah> mjr heh i guess that makes sense
[06:45] <chaitatp> Burgundavia: what's meta package, anyway
[06:46] <mjr> thechitowncubs, disables opaque moving, for instance
[06:46] <Burgundavia> chaitatp, one that by itself gives you nothing, but it deps include useful things, like totem and the gnome stuff
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> eh
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> ok
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> i
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> I'll leave it
[06:46] <mjr> blizah, removing the package is safe, btw, however, if new software is included in the ubuntu-desktop set in the next release, you won't get them automatically with upgrade
[06:47] <blizah> mjr what about updates to hoary?..im guessing there will be some no
[06:47] <chaitatp> Burgundavia: thx
[06:48] <Burgundavia> blizah, there will be security and critical bugfixes
[06:48] <Burgundavia> blizah, no new packages or features
[06:48] <blizah> gotcha
[06:49] <blizah> right now i cant even get totem to open :(
[06:49] <LycoN> why doesnt ubuntu come with a c compiler
[06:49] <blizah> says totem could not startup. resource busy or unavailble
[06:50] <LycoN> who can help me?
[06:51] <ups> LycoN: install build-essential
[06:51] <LycoN> thanks
[06:52] <Niki> afk
[06:54] <Burgundavia> LycoN, most users do not need a c compiler
[06:56] <LycoN> i need one
[06:56] <Burgundavia> LycoN, we are not most users
[06:58] <LycoN> for build-ess do i download source or binary
[06:58] <ups> LycoN: you just install the package from synaptic
[06:58] <cusco> hi...
[06:58] <cusco> cusco@cusco:/home$ fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[06:58] <LycoN> wat is the url
[06:59] <ups> LycoN: it will be a binary, but u dont have to think about that
[06:59] <cusco> anyone in here uses gmailfs?
[06:59] <daengbo> Hi, I just fried my PIII Hoary setup. I edited my xorg.conf to use nvidia instead of nv, and about ten minutes later my machine hard hung. after reboot, I got a GRUB error 17. Now in Knoppix and my old root partition (reiserfs) is unmountable. "Mount: Not a directory"
[06:59] <daengbo> I've tried using qtparted to look at it, but nothing special shows up
[06:59] <ups> LycoN: just open synaptic, and click search - type build-essential there
[06:59] <LycoN> ok
[07:00] <daengbo> any suggestions? Google didn't help
[07:00] <ups> LycoN: after that, you click on the check box and click on 'install'
[07:00] <niskin> how can I restart my konqueror - or make a new conf file ?
[07:00] <LycoN> dude thank you
[07:00] <Burgundavia> niskin, you might want to ask at #kubuntu
[07:01] <ups> LycoN: finally, click on apply on the top - and it will auutomatically download and install it
[07:03] <fahad> hi all
[07:03] <fahad> i would like to thanks ubuntu developers for this superb distro, it runs my laptop smoothly !!
[07:03] <daengbo> peace, then
[07:04] <LycoN> hey wat wine stuff do i need to mark for install
[07:04] <LycoN> all of them?
[07:04] <LycoN> or just wine and winesetuptk
[07:04] <cusco> LycoN: try sudo apt-get build-dep wine
[07:04] <lsuactiafner> ok i installed 5.03 the Amd iso, the lilo package didnt want to install/load so i skipped the bootloader installation, since on /dev/sda i got slackware with lilo
[07:05] <lsuactiafner> but turns out it wasnt a good idea..
[07:05] <LycoN> thanks
[07:05] <lsuactiafner> so now i got an installation with no boot loader
[07:05] <lsuactiafner> and idea how i can fix this
[07:05] <lsuactiafner> i read man lilo already and i seem to do something wrong..
[07:05] <Manawyddan> does anyone have clisp-2.33.2 installed ?
[07:05] <LycoN> hey when u talk about sudo that is from just terminal or Rterminal
[07:06] <LeeColleton> how do I open stuffit files on ubuntu?
[07:06] <cusco> LycoN: any console will do
[07:06] <cusco> LycoN: as long as you use sudo
[07:06] <lsuactiafner> 4926 /sbin/lilo -C /mnt/02/etc/lilo.conf
[07:06] <lsuactiafner> Warning: The boot sector and map file are on different disks.
[07:06] <lsuactiafner> Added AMD64-UBUNTU *
[07:07] <FlimFlamMan> what's ubuntu
[07:07] <cusco> you mean.. the meaning?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, I linux distribution
[07:07] <dr_willis> one of the first things defined on ubuntu.org :P
[07:07] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, www.ubunt.com
[07:08] <FlimFlamMan> what's ubuntu's position on debian's contention that a lot of debian packages end up incompatible with ubuntu?
[07:08] <FlimFlamMan> sorry
[07:08] <mishof> how do i extract a rar file?
[07:08] <darkx> did the ubuntu device database come around in hoary final? was it in the preview hoary iso?
[07:08] <dr_willis> doh .com :P
[07:08] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, generally, ubuntu is built off of debian sid. in fact Ubuntu just synced to debian sid
[07:08] <dr_willis> FlimFlamMan,  i dont think the Ubuntu guys care. :P they are too busy polishing things and fixing stuff.
[07:08] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, so the sarge thing is a bit of a red herring
[07:09] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, that is completely untrue
[07:09] <FlimFlamMan> Burgundavia, thanks.
[07:09] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, a lot of ubuntu devs are dd's as well
[07:09] <Burge> hi, i'm after some advice. I have 3 computers (XP, Ubuntu and FC3) and would like to be able to connect to each one's desktop (like VNC). Thing is, I don't have monitors on the Linux machines and would like ot just turn on the PCs without needing to log-in to a user session first, which I believe means VNC isn't appropriate
[07:09] <FlimFlamMan> i'd be interested in using it if it weren't a detriment to debian
[07:09] <dr_willis> Burgundavia,  if you say so., :P the chats ive heard about it seem in this channel seem to consider the issue a non-issue.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, I don't see Ubuntu as a net detriment to debian
[07:10] <dr_willis> but everyone has an oponion. and this does seem to get to be a heated issue.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, it is a non-issue not becuase it is being ignored, but because it is a non-issue
[07:10] <FlimFlamMan> Burgundavia, are all the packages in sid available to ubuntu users?
[07:10] <mifune> hi. can anyone help me with making my soundblaster 16 card work? searching on the ubuntu forum and with google didnt really help.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, yep
[07:10] <FlimFlamMan> hmm
[07:10] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, ubuntu has more as well
[07:10] <mishof> how can i extract .RAR ???
[07:10] <dr_willis> is it good for debian, is it bad..    - interesting points are beeing made on both sides.
[07:10] <dr_willis> mishof,  with 'unrar'
[07:10] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, easier to get a package into ubuntu that debian
[07:10] <Burgundavia> mishof, need unrar-nonfree
[07:11] <Burgundavia> mishof, then on the command line unrar x blah.rar
[07:11] <djm62> ubuntu isn't actively hostile to newbies...and they outnumber techies considerably
[07:11] <dr_willis> mifune,  isit a 'real' soundblaster card?
[07:11] <mishof> Burgundavia, i tried, i get failed
[07:11] <FlimFlamMan> Burgundavia, how about sarge?  i have sarge on a desktop at work.  could i put ubuntu on a spare partition and switch between sarge and ubuntu using the same home directory?
[07:11] <mifune> creative soundblaster 16 dr_willis
[07:11] <LeeColleton> Is there a way to extract SIT files on Ubuntu?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, should be able to. Sarge has older packages than Ubuntu
[07:12] <FlimFlamMan> actually that's kind of a silly question i guess, since sid != sarge
[07:12] <Burgundavia> LeeColleton, I did a quick google and I couldn't see any
[07:12] <dr_willis> mifune,  an old card then eh? it should be seen/detected fairly easially. check 'dmesg' output - see if it mentions the card at all?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> LeeColleton, but you may be able to find one by a more extensive search
[07:12] <Graben> Is there anyway to automount a camera in xfce like in gnome?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> LeeColleton, nor to any package descriptions mention it
[07:12] <mishof> i try to use unrar, but it fails to extract. probably because the files inside the rar file are in hebrew. any ideas ?
[07:13] <dr_willis> in  in hebrew shouldent matter.
[07:13] <Burgundavia> mishof, is there a page I can download these and try then myself?
[07:13] <darkx> did the ubuntu device database come around in hoary final? was it in the preview hoary iso?
[07:13] <LeeColleton> There's a trial version of Stuffit for Linux, I guess I'll try that.  Crappy closed source software...
[07:13] <Burgundavia> darkx, what came in hoary final was the menu entry
[07:13] <dr_willis> mishof,  whats the exact error message? could be the file is currupted.
[07:13] <djm62> FlimFlamMan: I don't think they're different enough to matter as regards dotfiles (no guarantee, mind): you do have /home on a separate partiton?
[07:13] <darkx> ahh thanks Burgundavia, was trying to settle a question with a mate on another server :-D
[07:14] <mishof> dr_willis, it says: extracting blabla.avi extracting blabla2.avi ..... then 19 failed
[07:14] <dr_willis> mishof,  you sure its not a multi-part rar archive and you are missing parts of it?
[07:15] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan, any further questions? ubuntu is a good thing, in my view, for all of linux, and that includes debian
[07:15] <dizzy> mifune: sb16 isa pnp?
[07:15] <mishof> dr_willis, pretty sure .. :P
[07:15] <mifune> dizzy not pnp
[07:15] <mifune> dunno about isa.
[07:16] <djm62> for FLOSS generally...
[07:16] <flipy> hi!!!!
[07:16] <dr_willis> mishof,  could cheat and get 'winrar' and use wine to run it. :P ive seen some really funky things done with rars.. (sadly)
[07:16] <flipy> is there any way to install hoary on a fake-raid system (dual boot)?
[07:16] <dizzy> mifune: try this: modprobe snd-sb16 port=0x220 irq=5 dma8=0 dma16=5 mpu_port=0x330 isapnp=0
[07:16] <danx> alguien espaol?
[07:16] <mishof> dr_willis, i might do that actually :P
[07:16] <flipy> danx dime
[07:16] <dizzy> mifune: this is the command I use on fedora
[07:16] <neighborlee> how does one stop RAID from detecting during boot at least until such time that I get such hardware ?LOL
[07:17] <dr_willis> mishof,  there is a 3.5 beta2 for linux at the rar site.. it may be that archive is not linking the older versions of rar you have installed?
[07:17] <djm62> danx: ve a #ubuntu-es para ayuda en espanol
[07:17] <flipy> neighborlee rcconf
[07:17] <chaitatp> i use emacs to open a 7xx xxx lines text file, have you ever seen any text editors that can do like that?
[07:17] <mifune> dizzy: nope. two errors.
[07:17] <flipy> is there any way to install hoary on a fake-raid system (dual boot)?
[07:17] <dr_willis> chaitatp,  huh?
[07:18] <dizzy> mifune: check the jumpers
[07:18] <mishof> dr_willis, version 3.5 beta2 of what?
[07:18] <idn> what is QT anyway?
[07:18] <neighborlee> Flik, ok thx
[07:18] <dizzy> mifune: is this card isa or pci?
[07:18] <danx> ubuntu-es no exite
[07:19] <dr_willis> mishof,  of rar for linux. Just chedked their homepage. what version ya got installed anyway?
[07:19] <neighborlee> flipy, command not found...
[07:19] <mifune> dizzy: i believe it is a pci card. not 100% shure though.
[07:19] <flipy> neighborlee go to synaptic and install it..
[07:20] <dizzy> mifune: then you should be able to see it with lspci
[07:20] <mifune> dizzy: havent seen it with that.
[07:20] <dizzy> mifune: if not it is an isa card
[07:20] <dantheman> what does compositing do?
[07:20] <goldfish> dantheman: shadow effects and transparency
[07:21] <goldfish> dantheman: well u need xcompmgr and transset
[07:21] <dizzy> mifune: thy have a very different bus connector
[07:21] <femv> hi people...... how can i disable network lookup at boot time ?
[07:21] <goldfish> but u have to enable compositinig for them to work good
[07:21] <dantheman> alright, thanks
[07:21] <goldfish> dantheman: There is a good hoto on ubuntuforums.org if you are interested
[07:21] <akk> Interesting, hoary x86 can't deal with usb keyboards.
[07:21] <dantheman> alright, i'll search for it
[07:21] <goldfish> I set it up, it looks sweet.
[07:22] <djm62> akk: really? not at all?
[07:22] <dantheman> how much does it slow down X?
[07:22] <akk> djm62: Nope.  It never asked, and upon boot, it brings up a login screen but doesn't respond to key inputs.
[07:22] <akk> djm62: Rebooting now, trying again (maybe something timed out).
[07:23] <nic__> does anyone know , if there is even is one, the bash command to set a cups passwd?
[07:23] <akk> djm62: BTW, I finally gave up finding an "approved" way to get the networking started on my laptop, and had to edit /etc/network/interfaces.
[07:23] <djm62> akk: you were having wireless trouble, yeah?
[07:23] <akk> djm62: So the installer probably won't work for a normal user on a single-pcmcia slot laptop, alas.
[07:23] <mishof> dr_willis, i dont have rar i have unrar
[07:23] <akk> djm62: No, wired.
[07:24] <mifune> dizzy: brb. checking in windows if i can find more info.
[07:24] <akk> djm62: It's just a simple 3com card, 3c59x
[07:24] <femv> how can i disable network lookup at boot time ?
[07:24] <akk> djm62: The kernel sees it just fine, but the installer didn't write anything to /etc/network/interfaces (not even a localhost entry).
[07:24] <dizzy> mifune: open the box and examine the card
[07:24] <djm62> akk: I thought you were somewhat atypical in not being able to have CD and network simultaneously
[07:25] <mike> i just downloaded kubuntu-desktop when i restart will kde come on?
[07:25] <akk> djm62: Anyone with an older (before network chips were built in) single-pcmcia laptop will be in that situation.
[07:25] <mike> or do i have to do somethgin else?
[07:25] <djm62> which is worth reporting to a bugzilla IMO
[07:25] <akk> djm62: Turns out booting with pci=noacpi on the usb-keyboard machine solves that problem.
[07:26] <akk> djm62: Okay, I'll report the network problem.
[07:26] <djm62> akk: how old is the laptop?
[07:26] <bluefoxicy> is anyone here into image editing?
[07:26] <akk> djm62: About 4 years, though they were still making them in that config 2 years ago.
[07:27] <djm62> hmm, not even that old
[07:27] <bluefoxicy> like with Gimp
[07:27] <akk> djm62: And of course a laptop whose built-in networking is an unsupported card would have the same problem.
[07:27] <akk> djm62: The other problem: why does gnome whine at every login about things not working right with no network?
[07:27] <dr_willis> mishof,  well one of the first things we said was to install the unrar-nonfree. :P
[07:27] <akk> djm62: Don't laptops run without a network fairly regularly?
[07:27] <chaitatp> should i really need build-essential just for gcc?
[07:27] <dr_willis> mishof,  winrar seems to be working ok inder cedega. Lol.
[07:27] <djm62> akk: no loopback...
[07:28] <djm62> akk: it networks to itself, like much of unix stuff
[07:28] <akk> djm62: Ah, okay, so it's probably a consequence of having had to skip the network config step.
[07:28] <danko123456> Hey! I have a networking question.
[07:28] <djm62> akk: sounds like it failed gracelessly
[07:28] <akk> djm62: Indeed.
[07:29] <danko123456> I have set up /etc/network/interfaces to use a local network for my two computers.
[07:29] <ubuntcool> hi
[07:29] <danko123456> On eth0.
[07:29] <akk> djm62: It's a problem with the sarge installer, on which the ubuntu one seems to be based?  The woody installer dealt with it fine.
[07:29] <djm62> akk: and it might be appreciated if you give a dispassionate account of your install woes to the appropriate devs, because ideally it won't fail, and if it does, it should be nicer about it
[07:29] <danko123456> Then I also have a ppp connection on eth1, that wont work when my local network is on..
[07:29] <danko123456> Does anyone have any advice?
[07:29] <blizah> im tring to get cedega to run cs at 800x600 but when i altab out it sends gnome desktop it to huge scrolling desktop mode, in #cedega someone said the only way to fix this is to run the game on a different x server than gnome...how would i go about doing this in ubuntu?
[07:29] <akk> djm62: In a bugzilla bug?  Or somewhere else?
[07:30] <danko123456> Both work fine when only one is on.
[07:30] <chaitatp> there'are gcc4.0, gcc3.4, gcc3.3 and also just gcc, which one is appropriate?
[07:30] <danko123456> And, if both are on, the internet connection dont work.
[07:30] <djm62> akk: I never used woody installer, but the potato one was usable in all kinds of weird situations (and no more usable in simple ones :-/)
[07:30] <liable> chaitatp: just install it, its good
[07:30] <chaitatp> to install, i mean
[07:30] <mishof> dr_willis, hehe winrar under wine let me extract :D
[07:30] <chaitatp> liable, ok then i'll just install build-essential
[07:31] <dr_willis> mishof,  but the better way is to  add the right  sources. and install the actull unrar binary. :P that way the standard linux shell can be used.
[07:31] <blizah> ah winrar under wine..is that the only option for a gui unrarer?
[07:31] <chaitatp> liable, seem liket gcc4.0 is not so stable, right?
[07:31] <akk> djm62: Is it a known bug that none of the menu items under System->Administration work?
[07:31] <mishof> dr_willis, i have unrar ! it just cant extract it .. (probly because filenames are hebrew or something)
[07:31] <Burgundavia> akk, umm, not really
[07:31] <dr_willis> blizah,  i think some people have been running into rar version issues lately. Not sure exactly.
[07:31] <Burgundavia> akk, what do you mena not work?
[07:31] <djm62> akk: definitely not....that would never make it into a release
[07:31] <liable> chaitatp: dunno, look at the bts for details
[07:32] <danko123456> Can anyone assist me with some advice on networking?
[07:32] <blizah> dr_willis k
[07:32] <akk> djm62: I've had that problem on both of the machines on which I've installed ubuntu.
[07:32] <femv> how can i disable network lookup at boot time ?
[07:32] <dr_willis> linux and wine - good for texting out stuff. :P no spyware worries.
[07:32] <djm62> akk: did they both have network problems?
[07:32] <akk> djm62: It appears gnome-sudu (I think that's what it's called) is failing.
[07:32] <akk> djm62: No, the desktop handled networking just fine.  Nearly everything worked, just not those menu items.
[07:32] <liable> femv: uncomment the auto part
[07:33] <chaitatp> liable, what does bts abbreviate for?
[07:33] <femv> liable, where
[07:33] <akk> djm62: They all worked fine if I su'ed and ran them from root (if I could find out the name of the app it wanted).
[07:33] <liable> femv: or just hit ctl c
[07:33] <djm62> akk: does plain "sudo" work?
[07:33] <danko123456> between the sheets
[07:33] <danko123456> :)
[07:33] <danko123456> thats what it sounds like to me.
[07:33] <liable> femv: /etc/network/interfaces
[07:33] <gratuit> akk: did you change the root password with passwd?
[07:33] <danko123456> liable.
[07:33] <oneifreak> chaitatp, bug tracking system
[07:33] <liable> chaitatp: bug tracking system
[07:33] <danko123456> Can you assist me with some networking advice?
[07:34] <lsuactiafner> ok when i load the ubuntu kernel from lilo for the amd64 version i get a clear screen and then nothin...
[07:34] <dori> can ubuntu do lvm during the install?
[07:34] <liable> danko123456: i dont know
[07:34] <danko123456> Well, I have a local network set up.
[07:34] <akk> djm62: Interesting; I thought it worked initially, but now I'm getting "not in the sudoers file".
[07:34] <femv> liable, if i comment that out... it wont look for them at boot time?
[07:34] <danko123456> Ethernet cables, NICs, and a switch.
[07:34] <djm62> akk: which would explain gnome-sudo ;)
[07:34] <akk> djm62: Does expert mode not set up sudoers since it sets up root?
[07:34] <danko123456> There is also a internet connection through a second NIC in one of the ocmputers.
[07:35] <ubuntcool> hey guys, ubuntu is way too cool! :-)
[07:35] <djm62> akk: ah! you had the chance to make all kinds of mistakes :)
[07:35] <liable> femv: see the auto bit? if you uncomment it, then it wont start at boot
[07:35] <danko123456> When both are enabled the internet dont work.
[07:35] <danko123456> I agree ubuntucool
[07:35] <liable> femv: but you can start it with ifup
[07:35] <djm62> akk: not your fault at all, there should be an option to only use "expert mode" for single steps without forcing you to do the whole thing
[07:35] <femv> liable, is this the auto bit ? "auto lo"
[07:36] <danko123456> liable: did you get a chance to read what I wrote?
[07:36] <liable> femv: no, what interface are you talking about
[07:37] <femv> i want to disable eth0 look up at startup
[07:37] <danko123456> liable: this is what my LAN entry looks like in /etc/net/interfaces
[07:37] <danko123456> #iface eth0 inet static
[07:37] <danko123456> #address 192.168.0.1
[07:37] <danko123456> #gateway 192.168.0.1
[07:37] <danko123456> #netmask 255.255.255.0
[07:37] <liable> femv: you have a eth0 entry in that file?
[07:37] <femv> liable, this is what i read  iface eth0 inet dhcp in the etc/network/interfaces
[07:37] <djm62> akk: can you use visudo to put yourself into sudoers?
[07:37] <femv> liable, yes and it also says  This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[07:37] <femv> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem
[07:38] <liable> femv: there is not a line above it that says 'auto'
[07:38] <danko123456> And my internet connection is pppoe.
[07:38] <akk> djm62: Just did (took a while to figure out how to get nano to save the file ...)
[07:38] <akk> djm62: Looks like that was the problem.
[07:38] <danko123456> when I uncomment, and start the iface, then the internet dont work.
[07:38] <femv> liable, this is what i have above it mapping hotplug
[07:38] <femv> 	script grep
[07:38] <femv> 	map eth0
[07:38] <femv> and auto lo
[07:38] <femv> iface lo inet loopback
[07:38] <djm62> akk: what's left to solve, then?
[07:38] <akk> djm62: Is that a bug worth reporting?  That it sets up a desktop with all those options even in expert mode, but they don't work?
[07:38] <akk> djm62: It's a bit confusing having lots of menu items that don't work.
[07:39] <dori> a couple of people here must have noticed whether you can install on a LV...anyone?
[07:39] <liable> femv: what do you have for etho in interfaces
[07:39] <djm62> akk: I think "expert mode" implies (perhaps wrongly) that you won't be confused by this sort of thing
[07:39] <danko123456> dori: I dont know what it is.
[07:39] <liable> danko123456: that looks ok, whats wrong
[07:39] <femv> liable , this mapping hotplug
[07:39] <femv> 	script grep
[07:39] <femv> 	map eth0
[07:39] <danko123456> liable: thanks.
[07:39] <femv> and this iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:39] <danko123456> liable: when I turn on the LAN, the internet dont work.
[07:39] <akk> djm62: That may be the implication, but then maybe it shouldn't set up a desktop like that ...
[07:40] <danko123456> Its two separate NICs.
[07:40] <tormod> hi out there! Has anybody managed aterm with german umlauts in hoary? im trying now for about 3 hours and still cant get my umlauts working :(
[07:40] <danko123456> And I set up the other for pppoe
[07:40] <djm62> akk: it's not a "bug" to allow experts to make their system temporarily broken....but it is a bug to force non-experts to use expert mode
[07:40] <liable> danko123456: try ifup eth0
[07:40] <danko123456> And it works when my LAN is off.
[07:40] <akk> djm62: Unfortunately expert mode is the only option if you need to do things like skip the networking step, on a machine where it won't work.
[07:40] <danko123456> liable: Everything works on its own.
[07:40] <dori> danko123456: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVM
[07:40] <akk> djm62: Or skip installing the bootloader (which is the biggest reason I use expert mode).
[07:40] <liable> femv: whats in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0
[07:41] <liable> danko123456: well whats the problem then
[07:41] <danko123456> liable: When I turn on my LAN, with the settings as shown above, the internet  connection does not work, even though I have a valid IP.
[07:41] <liable> danko123456: you can ping google.com
[07:41] <akk> djm62: Otherwise I'd love not to use it, since every couple of steps expert mode repeats the three questions about pcmcia, module options, and some modules that didn't load.
[07:41] <femv> liable... im in /etc/network/interfaces  and it says mapping hotplug
[07:41] <femv> 	script grep
[07:41] <femv> 	map eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:41] <djm62> akk: gotcha...it's really a feature request: more optional granularity between expert and hands-off installing
[07:41] <danko123456> dori: thanks, I dont use that though, sorry.
[07:42] <danko123456> I dont think so.
[07:42] <danko123456> I have to go try though, I know a bit about trouble shooting.
[07:42] <akk> djm62: How about those repeated questions?  They seem like a bug too; is there a reason they're needed?
[07:42] <danko123456> But, basically I dont think it works, since I cant browse.
[07:42] <danko123456> liable: Ill go check, and be back, thanks.
[07:43] <djm62> akk: are you too pissed-off to have an irc talk to some devs?
[07:43] <liable> femv: ok, man ifconfig, thats different to what i am used to
[07:43] <djm62> akk: I think bugzilla is a bit blunt for this...it's really a usage-case where the install procedure is inappropriate
[07:44] <akk> djm62: IRC would be fine.  Are there any devs who might be interested?
[07:44] <Arcane> Okay, who's idea was it to not put PPPoE in the Live CD? O_o;
[07:45] <Xebitx> when installing ubuntu it needs unnalocated space right ..but I dont have , I only have free space on the other partions
[07:45] <akk> djm62: Don't mean to come across as pissed off.  I'm really not; I dislike the sarge installer very much, but lots of other things about ubuntu are very impressive.
[07:45] <Xebitx> partitions
[07:45] <femv> what if i dont want ifconfig to load at startup?
[07:46] <akk> djm62: Hoary is the first live CD that's ever worked on this laptop, and also manages to get both swsusp and acpi ram suspend mostly working, which I didn't think possible.
[07:46] <pasci> hallo
[07:46] <liable> Xebitx: yes it needs somewhere to go, you cant just add it to the end of a partition
[07:46] <Xebitx> hallo
[07:46] <mifune> dizzy: checked it. it seems to be a pnp card. at least that is what aida said.
[07:46] <pasci> mdchen da??
[07:46] <femv> liable , what if i dont want ifconfig to load at startup?
[07:46] <djm62> akk: no...but I can understand the frustration
[07:47] <Arcane> And if a package can't find pppoe, what package should I get? I have rp-pppoe, and googling is getting me squat.
[07:47] <dizzy> mifune: is it an isa pnp card?
[07:47] <tormod> hi out there! Has anybody managed aterm with german umlauts in hoary? im trying now for about 3 hours and still cant get my umlauts working :( they work fine on xterm or gnome-terminal, even on the "native" login console (ctrl+alt+F2), but not in aterm. Anybody any ideas?
[07:47] <djm62> akk: the best I can suggest is that you give a brief summary to #ubuntu-devel and ask them who you should go to
[07:48] <dizzy> mifune: with large old-style connector?
[07:48] <akk> djm62: Thanks, will do.
[07:48] <mifune> dizzy: couldnt find that. and i cant remember if it had a large old-style connector.
[07:49] <LycoN> man i dont want wine 2005
[07:49] <LycoN> i want wine 20031212
[07:49] <LycoN> how can i install it manually
[07:49] <mifune> hi ztonzy ;)
[07:49] <dizzy> mifune: can't help then. try with isapnp
[07:50] <liable> femv: is your problem that dhcp takes a long time while the machine boots
[07:50] <liable> femv: and you dont use your network card?
[07:50] <LycoN> Does anyone play counter-strike for linux here?
[07:50] <MachineScrew> how is ubuntu vs Fedora
[07:51] <danko123456> haha, awesome.
[07:51] <Bazzi> MachineScrew better</personal>
[07:51] <femv> liable, my problem is that my laptop is giving a lot of error messages at startup because of dhcp
[07:51] <danko123456> I removed the gateway entry from interfaces, and it works.
[07:51] <danko123456> I guess it was trying to go through the gateway.
[07:51] <liable> femv: such as
[07:52] <femv> liable, pcmcia_socket0 unable to apply power
[07:52] <danko123456> But, yeah, seriously, this gnome thing...
[07:52] <MachineScrew> I want to install it on my laptop
[07:52] <liable> femv: when it goes through the whole dhcp thing, if you press ctl + c it will kill dhcp
[07:52] <MachineScrew> its a compaq presario
[07:52] <danko123456> I love it, and the Ubuntu, as well, although I wonder what do they really do?
[07:53] <liable> femv: oh, its a pcmcia
[07:53] <danko123456> I mean, the gde is there, regardless on Ubuntu..
[07:53] <danko123456> off
[07:53] <danko123456> and, all the other packages, I guess Ubuntu ties it all together.,
[07:53] <danko123456> Or something...
[07:53] <liable> danko123456: so you can ping google?
[07:53] <danko123456> No...
[07:53] <femv> liable, its a built in.... but the problem is dhcp .. if a assing a static ip it only shows up once... with dhcp it shows hundreds of times
[07:53] <MachineScrew> I just need to know how easy it is to configure my WiFi card
[07:53] <danko123456> liable: Everything works now.
[07:54] <danko123456> I think anyhow..
[07:54] <MachineScrew> its prism 2
[07:54] <danko123456> Havent tested the LAN>
[07:54] <danko123456> I dont have enough ethernet cables:(
[07:54] <danko123456> But, I am online now...
[07:54] <danko123456> And, my LAN should be working.
[07:54] <benplaut> did the ubuntuforums server just go down?
[07:55] <Guga> made directory for my 2nd hd, how do I mount it?
[07:55] <liable> femv: well what has your pcmia socket power got to do with your built in eth
[07:55] <danko123456> liable: I just removed the gateway entry in interfaces.
[07:55] <danko123456> I commented it out rateher/
[07:55] <danko123456> thanks though.
[07:55] <danko123456> I love this IRC channel.
[07:55] <danko123456> I always come here...
[07:55] <danko123456> restate the issue.
[07:55] <danko123456> And fix it myself.
[07:55] <danko123456> :)
[07:56] <danko123456> Ill go try out the LAN in the other room there is some ethernet cable.
[07:56] <femv> liable, thats a good question.... i have days trying to get around this problem ... now i know is connected with dhcp and that it shows up while it is configuring network interfaces
[07:57] <Laban> Hello. How can I fix the keyboardlayout? Have swedish keyboard but the input is odd.
[07:57] <liable> femv: start again, what is the actual problem
[07:57] <ztonzy> hmm
[07:57] <ztonzy> is there a Gmail checker for gnome ?
[07:58] <jr_G-man> what is an alternative to kaffiene and totem...for dvd playback?
[07:58] <ztonzy> anyone knows ?
[07:58] <jr_G-man> something that is more 'windvd-like'?
[07:58] <danko123456> ztonzy: google it:)
[07:58] <ztonzy> danko123456, lol
[07:58] <danko123456> Google can know better than humans.
[07:58] <mifune> ztonzy: or use the firefox one.
[07:58] <danko123456> Mere mortals:)
[07:58] <ztonzy> danko123456, I cant find it in repositry
[07:58] <ztonzy> mifune, hey !
[07:58] <mifune> hi Z
[07:58] <femv> liable, the problem is that im getting the "cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power" a lot of times at startup, it does come up while it is "configuring Network interfaces"
[07:58] <ztonzy> mifune, I always do....you also use Ubuntu now ;) ?
[07:59] <femv> liable: if i disable dhcp, it only comes up once...
[07:59] <danko123456> liable: Yeah, my LAN works like a charm too.
[07:59] <chris_d> ztonzy: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=240
[07:59] <mifune> yes. since january.
[07:59] <Guga> what file type is Warty for mounting the HDD?
[07:59] <danko123456> Now...
[07:59] <liable> femv: but your network card isnt pcmcia?
[07:59] <danko123456> I gotta figure out Internet connection sharing so I can stop paying for additional IP.
[07:59] <ztonzy> mifune, neat
[07:59] <ztonzy> chris_d, thanks
[07:59] <ztonzy> mifune, I swapped from metacity wm to openbox yesterday :)
[07:59] <femv> liable: i have a eth0 and a wlan0, both built in.... pcmcia socket is empty
[08:00] <chris_d> danko123456: Are you talking about NAT and routing?
[08:00] <flipy> is there any way to install hoary on a fake-raid system (dual boot)?
[08:00] <kent> danko123456, the program "firestarter" (which is a program to control the linux firewall) has a simple way of sharing connections. You can install it from ubuntu.
[08:00] <danko123456> chris_d: Well...
[08:00] <danko123456> :)
[08:00] <danko123456> chris_d: What I want now, is internet connection sharing...here are some facts.
[08:01] <Guga> /dev/hda1           /mnt/Warty           ?                  ?                 0           0
[08:01] <Mestapheles> are the englih forums down?  get a refusal to connect message
[08:01] <liable> femv: orinoco wireless?
[08:01] <mifune> ztonzy: reinstalled to 5.04 today and now i dont know anymore how to get my darn soundcard to work.
[08:01] <danko123456> 12:54:48) benplaut: did the ubuntuforums server just go down?
[08:01] <ztonzy> mifune, hmmm which?  most of them work out of the box
[08:01] <femv> liable: orinoco ? what do u  mean....
[08:01] <Mestapheles> I think so
[08:01] <danko123456> chris_d: I have  two NICs in my computer, and one of them is allowing me on the internet now.
[08:02] <mifune> ztonzy: a soundblaster 16
[08:02] <liable> femv: your wireless card, is?
[08:02] <danko123456> chris_d: Other is connected to my otehr comptuer.
[08:02] <Mestapheles> it back on
[08:02] <ztonzy> mifune, should be no problem !
[08:02] <Guga> /dev/hda1       /mnt/Warty          ?                 ?        0     0
[08:02] <danko123456> chris_d: I need this comptuer to send to the other computer internet packets, I guess.
[08:02] <chris_d> danko123456: firestarter is a good solution.
[08:02] <danko123456> Thanks, Both.
[08:02] <IIIEars> Hello!
[08:03] <danko123456> Ill try that out right now..
[08:03] <femv> liable: while in windows it says minipci wireless... chipset : ralink ... it is actually working thatnks to ndiswrapper
[08:03] <danko123456> no, I gotta go to work.
[08:03] <danko123456> :)
[08:03] <danko123456> Later, thanks.
[08:03] <mifune> ztonzy: it is :(
[08:03] <chris_d> danko123456: Essentially, you want the computer with two NIC's to route traffic between the Internet NIC and the local net NIC.
[08:03] <Guga> for /etc/fstab?  what <type> is Warty?
[08:03] <ztonzy> mifune, heh....what kernel ?
[08:03] <ztonzy> well
[08:03] <danko123456> chris_d: exactly.
[08:03] <ztonzy> mifune, soundblasters support is one of the better ones
[08:03] <IIIEars> Hello! :) - Are you seeing my text? (my password may not be registered)
[08:04] <graabein> quick question: where does the torrent files end up? i started a download yesterday and want to continue
[08:04] <graabein> hi iiiiears
[08:04] <femv> liable: before ndiswrapper was installed the wireless card was not recognized... but i had the same problem anyway
[08:04] <IIIEars> Ah Great! :)
[08:04] <liable> femv: 'lspci' what does it say about anything that says wireless
[08:04] <blizah> how would i go about running a game through cedega on a differant xserver than gnome?
[08:04] <nickrud> guga, if it was a default install, it's ext3
[08:05] <graabein> what about the torrent files? where do i find them on my filesystem?
[08:05] <danko123456> ok, Im out, Later everyone.
[08:05] <femv> liable : network controller : RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 CardBus Reference Card ( rev 01)
[08:06] <mifune> ztonzy: the one in the .iso of yesterday.
[08:06] <ztonzy> mifune, eeehh ?
[08:06] <femv> liable, it also shows me something about cardbus bridge... but i dont think it is related
[08:06] <nickrud> graabein, if you used gnometorrent, look in home or your desktop for a file that ends with torrent
[08:06] <IIIEars> Ubuntu "Live" CD is so good should i bother with a HD install? - What are the hardware and configuration problems?
[08:06] <liable> femv: hmm and its abuiltin wireless card?
[08:07] <femv> liable: yes it is a bulit in.... ....
[08:07] <LeeColleton> IIIEars: the live CD doesn't allow you to change the default package set
[08:07] <liable> femv: is this a laptop
[08:07] <IIIEars> Are there any? - (joyously jumping up and down with glee) Linux has never been "Fun" before this. - lol
[08:08] <femv> liable, im writting from my desktop... but the problem is in my laptop
[08:08] <blizah> how would i go about running a game through cedega on a differant xserver than gnome?..aka running another xserver in ubuntu
[08:08] <graabein> nickrud, yes, i started a download of a bootleg and a folder with the name was created with empty files inside
[08:08] <graabein> nickrud, i need to find the torrent file to continue download...
[08:08] <ups> IIIEars: the live cd would be more suitable for trying ubuntu out, or for recovery purposes i think
[08:08] <liable> femv: what does lsmod show about pcmcia stuff
[08:09] <nickrud> graabein: use Places->Search for files, name contains torrent, look in home
[08:09] <chris_d> IIIEars: Performance would be better with an HD install, too.
[08:09] <graabein> nickrud, no files found
[08:09] <femv> liable: shoul i look up for pcmcia in "module"
[08:09] <chris_d> IIIEars: If the Live CD is picking up all of your hardware properly, an HD install will, too.
[08:09] <IIIEars> I just cannot believe Ubuntu configured XFree, a printer and all of my USB devices. - at this moment i could be knocked over with a feather. - wide grin
[08:10] <nickrud> try again, look in filesystem, and kick back :)
[08:10] <graabein> nickrud, hehe
[08:10] <liable> femv: anything that looks wireless or pcmcia related
[08:10] <chris_d> IIIEars: Plus, the state of the art in partition resizing is such that doing a dual boot install is pretty simple (though obviously more complex than a 'take over hard disk' install).
[08:10] <ups> IIIEars: you mean Xorg? hoary now has Xorg ;)
[08:11] <femv> liable : ndiswrapper is the only think that looks alike
[08:12] <femv> liable: i do have a pcmcia_core   53568 2  pcmcia, yenta_socket
[08:12] <liable> femv: yeah thats normal, guess i dunno then
[08:12] <femv> liable: and a pcmcia 21380 2
[08:13] <IIIEars> i was wrestling with knoppix for awhile - always fearing malware would cause me to lose the time invested setting up/tweaking it. Ubuntu is painless. (er, okay i haven't set up IPTables. - lol)
[08:13] <liable> femv: when its doing the dhcp thing its for eth0?
[08:13] <graabein> nickrud, hmmm...
[08:13] <chris_d> IIIEars: firestarter will ease the IPTables pain, too.
[08:13] <femv> liable, any network interface
[08:13] <ssam> does anyone here use netapplet? should there be a /bin/netapplet executable?
[08:14] <femv> liable , take a look at http://pcmcia.arm.linux.org.uk/
[08:14] <IIIEars> Firestarter is installed? (crosses fingers) preconfigured?
[08:15] <ups> IIIEars: not pre-installed, but easy to install and setup
[08:15] <chris_d> IIIEars: apt-get install firestarter
[08:15] <chris_d> IIIEars: Not much more complex than that...
[08:15] <IIIEars> hm - even a n00b like me could do that much - lol
[08:16] <liable> femv: what does that have to do with your built in network cards?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, n00b is not really a term that is used around here a lot
[08:16] <liable> why do I get the feeling that its not pci but pcmcia
[08:16] <femv> liable: well i dont know why when i disable both cards.... it doesnt give the error...
[08:17] <chris_d> IIIEars: Oops. apt-get install firestarter won't work. Sorry.
[08:17] <liable> femv: these cards are actually part of your laptop, not ones you can plug in?
[08:18] <femv> liable, they are part of my laptop... they are built in
[08:18] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is so good i think i'll burn a copy for my aged mother - her redmond OS is always infested with something. - reimaging her HD is a pain.
[08:18] <liable> femv: what do you mean by disable the cards
[08:18] <chris_d> IIIEars: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#firestarter
[08:18] <Xappe> IIIEars: I would go for shorewall. it's not gui but wonderful :)
[08:19] <femv> deactivating them and unmark the this card is configured
[08:19] <liable> femv: well just disable dhcp on both unless you need to use it
[08:20] <femv> liable is there anyway i can enable them when gnome loads up ... and disable them when it shuts down?
[08:20] <IIIEars> Very nice! - solid information and a clear concise page layout.
[08:21] <liable> femv: do you need them both started?
[08:21] <femv> liable, no... the wireless most of the time
[08:21] <liable> femv: how do you connect to the internet
[08:21] <ups> IIIEars: if you enable Universe in synaptic, you can install firestarter from there
[08:22] <membreya> IIIEars: if you want the proper guide go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:22] <liable> femv: well disable the nic if you dont need it
[08:22] <liable> femv: eth0
[08:22] <femv> liable, thats what i did
[08:22] <femv> liable: but what can i do with wlan
[08:24] <IIIEars> lol - just spent 4 hours with the latest FreeBSD -pant- i'm tired - do ya think synaptic could find streamtuner for me? - (grin
[08:24] <liable> femv: dunno, if you need it then, nothing, sounds strange, I gottta go, keep googling, there is an answer out there:)
[08:24] <GNAM> no-stop escalation of kubuntu on distrowatch
[08:24] <GNAM> auaua
[08:25] <membreya> IIIEars: apt-cache search streamtuner
[08:25] <membreya> it's there
[08:25] <membreya> so just do a sudo apt-get install streamtuner
[08:25] <tweek> hello, can someone help me with a problem?
[08:26] <femv> liable, thanks!
[08:26] <nickrud> tweek: some one will try ;)
[08:26] <IIIEars> i am going to bring up a root console and type in all my old .config commands just for old times sake. - with Ubuntu they will soon be a faded memory.
[08:27] <tweek> im running amd64 bit, and i hear a sound at the login screen, but other than that my sound doesnt work :\
[08:27] <Amaranth> tweek: Odd.
[08:27] <Amaranth> tweek: Is the volume up? :)
[08:27] <tweek> yup
[08:27] <Amaranth> tweek: Open the volume control app, not just that one slider.
[08:27] <tweek> and my games dont detect it
[08:27] <membreya> tweek: when you try and start a sound is dmesg or .xsession-errors producing any problems?
[08:28] <tweek> no
[08:28] <membreya> what type of sound card do you have tweek ?
[08:28] <tweek> onboard, i dont know particularly
[08:28] <tweek> it ran fine on the older version of ubuntu
[08:28] <Amaranth> tweek: ok, try running aumix
[08:28] <Amaranth> if you don't have it apt-get it
[08:28] <akk> tweek: We're seeing the same thing, with a pci sound card.
[08:28] <tweek> its onboard
[08:29] <ssam> you can turn off the sound at the login screen in the login preference panel under accessability it think. then at least you'll have consistent sound
[08:29] <membreya> tweek: from a terminal type in lsmod |grep snd
[08:29] <membreya> ssam: not necessary
[08:29] <tweek> ok
[08:29] <tweek> want the output?
[08:30] <membreya> no...but there should be something there saying codec?
[08:30] <tweek> snd_ac97_codec?
[08:30] <IIIEars> I just can't believe this - all of the hardware was detected spot on not a mis-step pardon me while i fall outta my chair.
[08:30] <membreya> tweek: ok so you have an ac97 based card.
[08:31] <dyce> hello
[08:31] <PacoBCN> hi ubuntuers
[08:31] <Quest-Master> hey
[08:31] <dyce> how do i set up wlan?
[08:31] <membreya> tweek: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/.asoundrc, copy and paste that text to a file called .asoundrc in your home directory
[08:31] <dyce> im a ubuntu noob
[08:32] <ssam> dyce http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[08:32] <dyce> thanks
[08:32] <DocUb> :)
[08:32] <tweek> i dont have .asoundrc
[08:32] <tweek> want me create it?
[08:32] <membreya> tweek: .....read what I wrote
[08:32] <tweek> o, sorry :P
[08:33] <membreya> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/.asoundrc  <--visit that link
[08:33] <IIIEars> even hot plug - caught myself unplugging devices and plugging them back in. - nothing froze. - is this really Debian? - c'mon you can tell me the truth.
[08:33] <tweek> ok, home is "/"?
[08:33] <tweek> or /home?
[08:33] <soccer45202> does anyone have experience with the ivtv driver?
[08:33] <membreya> tweek: no ...home as in ~tweek or /home/tweek
[08:33] <tweek> ok
[08:33] <tweek> :)
[08:34] <akk> Amaranth: aumix shows reasonable volume levels (71) on this machine.
[08:34] <Obsidians> I downloaded xMule, and when I run ./configure, it says "checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables". In fact, all the ./configures I've run have thrown weird errors, usually about gcc or g++. What's going on?
[08:34] <IIIEars> i have an "al in wonder card" hould i push my luck?
[08:34] <akk> Amaranth: and play sound.wav takes a really long time.  Maybe gnome is hogging the sound card?
[08:34] <membreya> tweek: another good URL to go to is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo ...follow the instructions there
[08:34] <tweek> update automake
[08:34] <membreya> IIIEars: ati+linux = boooo!
[08:34] <tweek> Obsidians
[08:34] <Amaranth> akk: Kill esd and try playing something.
[08:34] <ups> Obsidians: do you have build-essential installed?
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> anyone here running ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso living in rsa willing to compile me a new kernel with my config file since the ubuntu kernel doesnt work on my system?
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> alsamixer is also nice..
[08:35] <IIIEars> you're right? - just being facetious - lol
[08:35] <Amaranth> Obsidians: make sure you've installed the build-essential package
[08:35] <soccer45202> has anyone played around with mythtv and the IVTV drivers?
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> Obsidians : ./configure --help
[08:35] <tweek> brb.
[08:35] <GWoSDotOrgGuy> soccer45202: I have
[08:35] <membreya> soccer45202: best bet is to go to #mythtv-users
[08:35] <akk> Amaranth: That works.  So it's an esd problem.
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> Obsidians : also goto freshmeat.net search for the name of the program and check the dependacy list
[08:36] <soccer45202> membreya GWoSDotOrgGuy - I tried...no one is responding
[08:36] <IIIEars> gotta hurry with that mpeg4 encoder card - the new FCC ruling takes effect July 1st.
[08:36] <Amaranth> akk: Sounds like it.
[08:36] <sproingie> what ruling is that?
[08:36] <membreya> what FCC ruling?
[08:36] <Obsidians> Thanx, everyone! I'll try all those.
[08:36] <akk> Amaranth: So will disabling login sounds in gnome also turn off esd?
[08:36] <IIIEars> all tuners in all Hi-def devices will include a smart chip to protect content.
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> mplayerhq.com for info on fcc i believe..
[08:37] <sproingie> you mean the broadcast flag?
[08:37] <sproingie> that was struck down
[08:37] <Amaranth> akk: In System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector change it to use oss for the audiosink
[08:37] <sproingie> not that it would have ever been implemented, c.f. regionless dvd players
[08:37] <Amaranth> akk: I don't think so.
[08:37] <IIIEars> really? - hm, i missed that. happy it was.
[08:37] <sproingie> yep.  court struck it down
[08:38] <Obsidians> If Synaptic crashes, how do I allow apt-get to work? It says that it's locked, but I'm not sure what to unlock, or how to do it.
[08:38] <sproingie> not that the industry won't get it in through the backdoor
[08:38] <Amaranth> akk: Changing the output audio sink to oss and killing esd should make everything run more or less normal, but you'll probably have to kill esd each time you start a new session (login).
[08:38] <sproingie> but at least the fcc has no say
[08:38] <goron> How's Ubuntu update policy? Thus will I get updates for ever when I install Hoary? Or will I only get the bugfixes of that release?
[08:38] <nickrud> akk, Amaranth, system->preferences->sound has a checkbox for not starting the sound server (esd)
[08:38] <IIIEars> lol - i hope you are wrong just have a feeling that you aren't.
[08:38] <Amaranth> oh :)
[08:39] <goron> Obsidians: Remove some lock file. man apt will probably tell it to you.
[08:39] <akk> Amaranth, nickrud: Oh, NM, looks like he opted to uninstall esound, which will probably also work.
[08:40] <membreya> i prefer to just use DMIX to fix my sound problems :P
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> ok anyone here living in rsa, running a native 64 bit system willing to compile me a kernel with my own .config?
[08:40] <nickrud> akk: down the road, not using esd will mess with other sounds. what are you trying to play sounds with?
[08:40] <DocUb> lol
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> the ubuntu kernels dont work on my motherboard.
[08:40] <ups> goron: only security fixes and critical bug fixes i believe, no new stuff
[08:40] <akk> nickrud: play (from sox)
[08:40] <goron> ups: So, there's no Unstable equivalent?
[08:41] <membreya> goron: Breezy
[08:41] <sproingie> lsuactiafner: dunno what "living in rsa" means, but i could give it a whack.  need a specific version?
[08:41] <ups> goron: there is - breezy
[08:41] <nickrud> akk: I think play tries to ouput directly to hardware. try esddsp play <sound>
[08:41] <membreya> sproingie: south africa AFAIK
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> try alsaconf for sound...
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> sproingie : need kernel 2.6.11 and i will dcc the config file
[08:42] <sproingie> ah.  well i dont live in .za meself... dont see how that'd affect a kernel compile
[08:42] <Bazzi-> rsa = republic of south africa
[08:42] <Bazzi-> or is it not?
[08:42] <sproingie> lsuactiafner: what version is it for?
[08:42] <membreya> all i know is RSA sucks at cricket :P
[08:42] <dizzy> nickrud: akk: play doesn't work with esddsp
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> its for amd64 5.04
[08:42] <goron> ups: So with breezy I don't ever need to change /etc/apt/sources.lst?
[08:43] <nickrud> dizzy: bummer.
[08:43] <goron> ups: Or should I change it every six months?
[08:43] <ups> goron: you do, breezy will stabilize in 6 months
[08:43] <ups> goron: yes
[08:43] <sproingie> lsuactiafner: i have no clue what 5.04 refers to
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> sproingie : basically transfering the 1.5mb file will take longer if you are international since i got a 5k/s dailup
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> 5.04 refers to ubuntu..
[08:43] <nickrud> akk, so try aplay <sound>
[08:43] <sproingie> lsuactiafner: ow.  i may have to reboot soon, so that might not work
[08:43] <dizzy> akk: which sound format?
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> do you have a native 64 bit system?
[08:44] <Bazzi> brezzy will be 5.10 wont it?
[08:44] <akk> dizzy: .wav
[08:44] <Bazzi> breezy*
[08:44] <goron> ups: Well, in that case, I will deinstall Ubuntu again. I don't want to spend time with such useless details. And probably updating from one arch to another will kill the system anyway.
[08:44] <dizzy> akk: which sample rate?
[08:44] <akk> nickrud: I'll pass that along.  At this point esd has been killed and uninstalled, can't try immediately.
[08:44] <membreya> Bazzi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases
[08:44] <ups> goron: what useless details?
[08:44] <akk> dizzy: Does it matter?  Everybody seems to be saying that play doesn't work with esd, period.
[08:45] <lsuactiafner> ok so can anyone running a native 64 bit system please compile me a kernel? i dont want to bother with cross-compiling from a 32bit system
[08:45] <Bazzi> oh. updated :)
[08:45] <nickrud> akk: aplay is from alsa, not esd. Should still be there
[08:45] <akk> nickrud: Even play works now that esd is no longer running.
[08:45] <lsuactiafner> i got a .config already ect.
[08:45] <dizzy> akk: if they are 44k you can pipe them to esd with esdcat
[08:45] <ups> goron: and you're only upgrading from one version of ubuntu to another, so why would that kill anything?
[08:46] <dyce> hello again
[08:46] <polaritius> umm can i get help inatalling bin files? i.e. java
[08:46] <DagaZ> I have problems with HAL in hoary.. anyone else has this? This is a fresh install and I have tried reinstalling HAL without any resolution
[08:46] <dizzy> akk: if not you can try to resample to 44k but the result is not always good
[08:46] <dyce> im running ubuntu on a slow laptop *400mhz, gnome takes alot of resources
[08:47] <akk> Apparently esd also interferes with tuxkart, so using a different "play" program won't solve the problem.
[08:47] <dyce> i hear xfce is good
[08:47] <lsuactiafner> dyce : install blackbox
[08:47] <dyce> ill look into blackbox
[08:47] <goron> ups: Well, it's the same as upgrading from testing to unstable in Debian. Now, imagine you don't update for a year. Chanches are pretty high some stuff will break. And I don't think Ubuntu knowledge is that high (compared to Debian). Also, I am not a real desktop user, more a workstation like user.
[08:47] <lsuactiafner> blackbox is very very minimal fast and gives you the same functionality as gnome
[08:48] <lsuactiafner> the menu will be in /usr/local/share/blackbox/menu
[08:48] <Bazzi> goron ubuntu and debian work closely together
[08:48] <thenuke> fluxbox is also minimal and fast and propably better than blackbox :D
[08:48] <Bazzi> goron if you want to stick with long living releases, you may as well use debiaan itself
[08:48] <Xebitx> in the ubuntu installer there is no option to use free space from another partition ...what can you do?
[08:48] <goron> Bazzi: Why do I see things on Slashdot mentioning they are not?
[08:48] <membreya> i still keep trying to tell people, just use DMIX :P
[08:48] <lsuactiafner> fluxbox got a stupid default font heh
[08:48] <polaritius> umm can i get help inatalling bin files? i.e. java
[08:48] <ups> goron: i believe the official support lasts for 18 months for each release, so you dont really need to update that much if it's an issue. you'll still get security fixes.
[08:49] <Bazzi> goron slashdot got some stuff mixed up.
[08:49] <thenuke> Xebitx: do some partition to that freespace
[08:49] <dyce> blackbox, fluxbox or DMIX?
[08:49] <lsuactiafner> Xebitx : mount the other paritition under /target/var
[08:49] <thenuke> with another os perhaps
[08:49] <ups> goron: as for knowledge, you should know that a lot of ubuntu devs are debian devs too
[08:49] <goron> Bazzi: They linked to an article with Ian himself expressing worries about incompatibilities.
[08:49] <lsuactiafner> then everything that will go to var will be on the other partion
[08:49] <Xebitx> thenuke: how?
[08:49] <membreya> I'll let some more "seasoned" people add their comments and opinions on DMIX
[08:49] <lsuactiafner> tho if you dont config /etc/fstab afterwards you will get shit on reboot
[08:50] <goron> ups: Yeah, I understood that company buys a lot of developers from Debian.
[08:50] <Bazzi> goron which is kinda bollox because its incompatibilities to sarge, and ubuntu is based off sid... :)
[08:50] <thenuke> Xebitx: you go and figure it out.
[08:50] <dyce> what works with ubuntu? the deb files does.... how bout the rpm file?
[08:50] <thenuke> I dont know about your other operating systems
[08:50] <Xebitx> I already tried with partion magic
[08:50] <thenuke> that should work
[08:50] <Xebitx> but it wont resize even though I have 13 Free
[08:51] <lsuactiafner> ppl, compile from source damnit, screw packages..
[08:51] <ups> goron: i dont think it's wise to believe absolutely everything that appears on slashdot ;)
[08:51] <Bazzi> goron it's rather a problem with debian itself, if they dont update their arch more regularly there will of course be incompatibilities
[08:51] <lsuactiafner> you can compile shit youself with -O3 --march you DO NOT want packages..
[08:51] <neme>  Trying to 'make menuconfig' and it says I need ncurses-devel
[08:51] <neme> E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel
[08:51] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, please watch the languages. You might also be looking for #gentoo
[08:52] <IIIEars> lol - my wife just asked me why my screen looks so much nice.  - had to tell her i gave up on BSD - lol
[08:52] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, make that language
[08:52] <IIIEars> *nicer
[08:52] <lsuactiafner> Burgundavia : i run slackware.. since the unbuntu 64bit kernel didnt include support for my sata drives..
[08:52] <goron> Bazzi: Well, the only thing I want is to have new packages, and without the hassle of changing my /etc/apt/sources.lst every x time.
[08:52] <membreya> neme: sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[08:52] <ups> goron: ubuntu just synced from debian sid, and now they'll apply some polish and fixes, add some cool features and release the next version :)
[08:52] <Bazzi> goron every 6 months is ok if you want to have new stuff ;)
[08:53] <lsuactiafner> and now i need someone running a 64bit natve os to compile me a kernel for ubuntu
[08:53] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, that is fine, here in #ubuntu we promote use of the precompiled packages
[08:53] <neme> membreya, ty
[08:53] <dhonn> compile it your self -09999
[08:53] <ups> goron: ofcourse it's not as simple as i try to make it sound ;)
[08:53] <polaritius> umm can i get help inatalling bin files? i.e. java on ubuntu?
[08:54] <lsuactiafner> well if ubuntu developers would create more kernels and spend less time on packages more ppl will be able ro run the os...
[08:54] <femv> people what is the command to activate a network interface ???
[08:54] <mjr> femv, ifup interface
[08:54] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, what exactly is wrong. If you can duplicate it, please file a bug
[08:54] <lsuactiafner> 3 kernels to chose from during an install with no indication of what they do aint a good thing..
[08:54] <goron> Bazzi: Well, not quite.
[08:54] <Bazzi> goron b/c?
[08:54] <chavo> lsuactiafner, what are you smoking and or drinking?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> femv, make certain to add a sudo before that
[08:55] <dhonn> lsuactiafner: go to #ubuntu-devel
[08:55] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, then file a bug about it
[08:55] <dyce> im getting fluxbox
[08:55] <lsuactiafner> Burgundavia : the bug is.. <*>         Silicon Image chipset support aint selected
[08:55] <femv> ifup wlan0 would work ?
[08:55] <dyce> is it necessary to remove gnome?
[08:55] <dhonn> the developers are there
[08:55] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, I am not a dev, please file a bug
[08:55] <lsuactiafner> well ive already submitted a bug with the lilo installation
[08:55] <goron> Bazzi: "b/c"?
[08:56] <Bazzi> because
[08:56] <dyce> u can just say cuz
[08:56] <dyce> CUZ
[08:56] <Bazzi> no
[08:56] <Bazzi> that's aolbonic
[08:56] <dyce> oh
[08:56] <dyce> cus
[08:56] <dyce> ''ca's'
[08:56] <lsuactiafner> any developers here?
[08:57] <femv> is there anyplace i can put a command line to be executed at gnome startup and shutdown
[08:57] <femv> ??
[08:57] <RickD> Hello all, is it possible to upgrade to Ubuntu 5.04 from an older version just by typing apt-get dist-upgrade?, or do I need to download the new ISO?
[08:57] <dhonn> lsuactiafner, #ubuntu-devel
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> RickD : get the iso since if you need to reinstall again you will have an iso disk
[08:57] <hypno> femv you could write a script and add it in preferences->advanced->sessions
[08:57] <Burgundavia> RickD, nope, just update your repos
[08:57] <dyce> there is 5.1 and 5.04, isnt 5.1 higher in version than 5.04?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> RickD, change all instances of warty to hoary
[08:58] <dyce> it hsould be 5.14
[08:58] <Burgundavia> dyce, there is no 5.1
[08:58] <dyce> oh
[08:58] <Burgundavia> dyce, there is only 4.10 and 5.04
[08:58] <dyce> oops
[08:58] <dyce> lol
[08:58] <polaritius> umm can i get help inatalling bin files? i.e. java on ubuntu?
[08:58] <femv> hypno where is preferences -> advanced -> sessions ?
[08:58] <RickD> Burgundavia, so I need to change the instace from warty to hoary, and then do dist-upgrade?, or just upgrade?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> dyce, the number is 5<--current year. 04 <-- current month
[08:58] <dhonn> RickD, it is easy.  hold on
[08:58] <Burgundavia> RickD, dist-upgrade
[08:58] <ups> dyce: year.month [5.05] 
[08:58] <dyce> i see
[08:58] <ups> oops
[08:58] <Bazzi> polaritius its on the ubuntu wiki
[08:58] <ups> 5.04
[08:58] <|QuaD-> i am looking for a blog script that i can use with the gnome-blog panel widget thingy, any suggestions?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> polaritius, www.ubuntguide.org
[08:58] <hypno> femv in the gnome menus somewhere
[08:58] <hypno> seek and ye shall find
[08:58] <tbird> but breezy is 5.10
[08:59] <Burgundavia> tbird, correct
[08:59] <dhonn> RickD:  http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#upgradewartytohoary
[08:59] <RickD> Burgun: thanks
[08:59] <dyce> ok
[08:59] <polaritius> burgundavia: ty so much
[08:59] <RickD> dyce: thanks dude
[08:59] <dyce> im putting fluxbox on my zen so i can put in on my ubuntu box
[08:59] <femv> hypno... i want to write a script to do this : ifup wlan0 how can i do that
[08:59] <dyce> brb
[09:00] <hypno> femv the best way to do that is to edit /etc/network/interfaces and add the line "auto wlan0"
[09:00] <markuman> someone has make debian packages with alien from source here?
[09:00] <dyce> do i use sh or rpm?
[09:01] <CarlK> "typical hoary install" - does it ask for a root pw?
[09:01] <femv> hypno, that is going to look for it at boot time.... thats not what i want.. i want the scrip to run when gnome starts
[09:01] <dyce> isnt sh universal?
[09:01] <akk> CarlK: Only in expert mode.
[09:01] <markuman> sh ? bash?
[09:01] <markuman> rpm = rethat?
[09:01] <|QuaD-> does anyone have gnomeblog working?
[09:01] <CarlK> ah.. I bet thats what "Mr Expert" did ;)
[09:01] <dyce> i dunno howto compile
[09:01] <dyce> do u have to compile .sh?
[09:02] <frank_> Does anyone use dvdauthor? Mine segfaults all the time
[09:02] <CarlK> In Expert mode, does it add the user to /etc/suduers?
[09:02] <markuman> dyce? are you trying to help me?
[09:02] <IIIEars> Is dd or partimage the best way to disk image Ubuntu?
[09:03] <Guga> glxgears-  Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:03] <Guga> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[09:03] <dyce> no, cuz im a newb, i cant help experienced linux users
[09:03] <markuman> i have a tar.bz2 file - source code. and want to make a debian file
[09:03] <dyce> that doesnt seem right
[09:03] <Burgundavia> markuman, what areyou trying to do?
[09:03] <tbird> Markrian, alien packageneme.rpm it will automatically generate a .deb
[09:03] <markuman> from source code a debian package. i think alien can do it? right?
[09:03] <LinuxJones> Guga, did you follow the directions on the website for installing 3d support for your video card ?
[09:03] <IIIEars> alien - cool!
[09:04] <Burgundavia> markuman, it might already be in the repos, what are you looking for?
[09:04] <Guga> will do LinuxJones        link?
[09:04] <nickrud> markuman: look at the package checkinstall
[09:04] <goldfish> dyce: is it not sh blah.sh ?
[09:04] <frank_> anyone ever use dvdauthor?
[09:04] <femv> hypno how will the script look like
[09:05] <markuman> Burgundavia, alsa compile for a special soundcard. for that there are noch  repos.... and i have to configure it.
[09:05] <CarlK> frank_ - I have.
[09:05] <markuman> and than to build a debian package
[09:05] <markuman> but i don't know if it works
[09:05] <dyce> so i open console, and type in sh path><filename.sh?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> markuman, check install is your friend
[09:05] <markuman> hm
[09:05] <goldfish> dyce: well that's how i run .sh scripts.
[09:06] <dyce> ok ill keep that in mind
[09:06] <dyce> when installing
[09:06] <frank_> CarlK, and it works without segfaulting
[09:06] <markuman> but for general. how to make debian packages from source?
[09:06] <Burgundavia> markuman, is not that easy
[09:06] <blizah> how would i go about running something on a differant xserver than gnome runs on?
[09:06] <chtilinux> does anjuta exist as deb package? i don't find it
[09:06] <Burgundavia> markuman, look for the debian new maintainers guide
[09:06] <beggar> hi......how can I initialize a program automatically when I open gnome without prompt for the root pass?
[09:07] <CarlK> frank_ - it was about 6 monts ago on an FC2 box ;)
[09:07] <markuman> where i can found it? on debian page or ubuntu?
[09:07] <frank_> CarlK, ok
[09:07] <Burgundavia> chtilinux, it exists for hoary?
[09:07] <ups> markuman: there should be a package maint-guide
[09:07] <Burgundavia> markuman, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[09:07] <markuman> ok thx !
[09:07] <cavediver> Anyone having trouble with ff crashing on certain sites ?
[09:07] <Burgundavia> cavediver, which sites?
[09:08] <frank_> CarlK, DO you know of any other program to create a dvd? I already have the mpeg2 file
[09:08] <chtilinux> i don't know, i 'll search
[09:08] <membreya> chtilinux: apt-cache search anjuta..it's definately there
[09:08] <nickrud> markuman: and after you've looked at it, you'll see why checkinstall if for us masses :)
[09:08] <cavediver> Burgundavia: Here for example:  http://www.aftonbladet.se/ettor/webb/26_normal.html
[09:09] <markuman> ok, thx a lot
[09:09] <cavediver> I use Breezy
[09:09] <Burgundavia> cavediver, doesn't crash here
[09:09] <cavediver> ok
[09:09] <cavediver> strange, are you using breezy ?
[09:09] <chtilinux> ok, i've found it
[09:09] <Burgundavia> cavediver, then you sir, are crazy (I am going to move to breezy after UDU)
[09:09] <mjr> hmm, where was the archive of old package versions?
[09:09] <cavediver> Burgundavia: :)
[09:09] <cavediver> UDU ?
[09:09] <Burgundavia> mjr, you can get at packages.ubuntu.com and search
[09:10] <CarlK> frank_ - not that doesn't eventually use dvdauthor ;)
[09:10] <CarlK> but hang on...
[09:10] <Burgundavia> udu = Ubuntudownunder, the next ubuntu development conference in aussie
[09:10] <cavediver> ok
[09:10] <LinuxJones> Guga, sorry was afk >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:10] <CarlK> frank_ - check out http://home.tiscali.be/debie.roland/pgcedit
[09:10] <osmandemirhan> hi, are there offical ubuntu java package, if yes what is the package name?
[09:11] <CarlK> I don't know what exactly it does, but it might work for you
[09:11] <tbird> i use breezy too and it has been ok for me
[09:11] <cavediver> This is getting redicilous. I can't get tv-out ti work as I want.
[09:11] <tbird> well ive had it 3 days now
[09:11] <membreya> maybe I should switch to breezy
[09:11] <CarlK> cavediver - what card?
[09:11] <cavediver> The tv resolution and the desktop size are different
[09:11] <membreya> I miss the daily updates :)
[09:11] <cavediver> CarlK: Nvidia FX5200
[09:11] <frank_> CarlK, I think its only to edit an already authored strucutre
[09:11] <membreya> cavediver: so set metamodes
[09:11] <tbird> there are many updates in breezy
[09:11] <CarlK> cavediver - nm - I have an i810 box with svid out
[09:11] <cavediver> membreya: I've done that.
[09:12] <membreya> then you shouldnt have a problem
[09:12] <CarlK> frank_ - i was afarid of that
[09:12] <cavediver> membreya: and the resolution are different, it's lower on my tv, but the desktop size is the same as my monitor.
[09:12] <membreya> cavediver: you're using twinview?
[09:12] <cavediver> membreya: so if I maximize something it can't fit.
[09:12] <cavediver> membreya: yes.
[09:12] <membreya> post your xorg.conf somewhere
[09:13] <mjr> Burgundavia, all old versions
[09:13] <cavediver> membreya: ok.
[09:13] <neme> in wich menu can I find mtrr and agpgart in kernel config?
[09:14] <mantis_> quit
[09:14] <mantis_> exit
[09:14] <membreya> time for this membreya go go to Breezy :D
[09:14] <cavediver> membreya: check out http://helium.terminal.se/dump/xorg.conf
[09:15] <hor> I need to have a list of the URLs with ubuntu updates that are available on my System. Is it possible to create something like that in any way?!
[09:15] <polaritius> when i enter the command "sudo mv jre1.5.0_02/ /usr/java/" i get this error "mv: cannot stat 'jrel.5.0_02/' : no such file or directory
[09:16] <cavediver> membreya: you said I was crazy! :=)
[09:16] <membreya> hmmmm im not too sure with your arch, but with my amd64 I can not set horiz and vert rates....
[09:16] <membreya> try taking them out :)
[09:16] <tbird> polaritius, are you in the dir that file is in ?
[09:16] <mjr> damned
[09:16] <membreya> mmmm breezy goodness
[09:16] <cavediver> membreya: but the stuff get's displayed, so It's not that I think
[09:16] <membreya> but only 90megabytes of data on my first update...
[09:16] <nickrud> hor: trying to download at high speed, and take the files to another computer?
[09:16] <mjr> first ubuntu breaks libxine, then when I downgrade, I can't get DVB subtitles anymore
[09:16] <membreya> just try it cavediver :P
[09:16] <cavediver> membreya: Hm ok :=)
[09:17] <polaritius> tbird: um i dont think so
[09:17] <tbird> polaritius, thats the problem then
[09:17] <cavediver> membreya: comment out the refresh rates.. that's seem odd :)
[09:17] <cavediver> I thought they were mandatory
[09:17] <revelater> hello
[09:17] <dash> hi. anyone managed to get X forwarding working with ssh on ubuntu?
[09:17] <polaritius> tbird: it said to just make the DIR first then use that command
[09:17] <mjr> dash, -X
[09:17] <membreya> cavediver: Option  "SecondmonitorHorizSync" "30-50" that
[09:17] <dash> my server running sid happily forwards
[09:17] <tbird> polaritius, you trying to get java working ?
[09:17] <cavediver> membreya: ok
[09:17] <revelater> see
[09:17] <dash> but my hoary box does not
[09:17] <cavediver> membreya: bbl
[09:18] <dash> mjr: yep, did that.
[09:18] <dash> $DISPLAY is still unset.
[09:18] <sevenseals> hello me
[09:18] <Guga> ty LinuxJones    should xserver-xorg have v4l enabled?
[09:18] <revelater> howdy
[09:18] <tbird> this worked for me to get java working  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[09:18] <hor> nickrud: hm, yep. Downloading the things on a windows Computer and then transport them back to my PC (i only have dial-up)
[09:20] <Levander> Anybody gotta a default main.cf for postfix to email me?
[09:20] <Levander> Think I screwed mine up.
[09:20] <LinuxJones> Guga, unless you have a video camera probably not
[09:20] <LinuxJones> membreya, are there any major problems with Breezy for you so far ?
[09:20] <polaritius> tbird: plus i haev to deal with random crashes becuase i think i haev a bad memory stick
[09:20] <membreya> LinuxJones: just installing it now ..and i will reboot and let you know :P
[09:20] <cavediver> membreya: it got me a black screen on my tv :=)
[09:21] <polaritius> tbird: but yes trying to install java
[09:21] <membreya> dang cavediver :|
[09:21] <tbird> polaritius, use the link i posted
[09:21] <nickrud> Hor: Well, I was going to recommend apt-zip. You might try it, it should give you a list of urls you can massage yourself.
[09:21] <cavediver> :(
[09:21] <LinuxJones> membreya, lovely a guinea pig :)
[09:21] <tbird> polaritius, its verry simple
[09:21] <cavediver> membreya: I'm tired of this ....
[09:21] <polaritius> tbird: i had to shut down i dont have that link anymore :(
[09:21] <Levander> nobody's running a mail server on ubuntu?
[09:21] <tbird> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[09:21] <cavediver> I hate having half my desktop showing on my tv :(
[09:22] <membreya> brb going to reboot :P
[09:23] <AilleantSian> can you forse ubuntu to see a device that it does pick up but picks it up wrong ?
[09:23] <tbird> AilleantSian, how does it pick it wrong ?
[09:24] <|QuaD-> is there a reason that all of unstable hasn't been imported to breezy? looking at gnome-blog, sid has v0.8-2, we are on 0.7-4
[09:24] <AilleantSian> it sees it as a block volume instead of a wlan
[09:24] <AilleantSian> and i downloaded ndiswrapper and it doesnt pick up the hardware at all :(
[09:24] <Guga> LinuxJones   sudo modprobe nvidia
[09:24] <Guga> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): No such device
[09:25] <tbird> |QuaD-, i used sid right before breezy and to me breezy is more current on versions
[09:25] <AilleantSian> any ideas tbird?
[09:26] <dash> mjr: so, no idea what else I should check? "X11Forwarding yes" is in my sshd_config
[09:26] <tbird> AilleantSian, sorry stick around sure someone will come around that knows
[09:26] <ulas2> AilleantSian, No device ? :)
[09:26] <ulas2> AilleantSian, what is your g board
[09:26] <|QuaD-> tbird: i just gave you an example where it isn't
[09:26] <AilleantSian> no it sees it as a device but the wrong one
[09:27] <Luke1> hello.  how do I get a list of (and/or search through) packages available via "apt-get"?
[09:27] <LinuxJones> Guga, I can't remember the command to scan for new modules. A re-boot should fix it and remember to add nvidia to /etc/modules so that it will be loaded at every boot
[09:27] <AilleantSian> g board?
[09:27] <tbird> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[09:27] <Luke1> tbird: thx.
[09:28] <polaritius> tbird: im completely new to this and that faq is incredibly hard to follow, it beings me to a place where i ahev to download a file adn i dont know which one to grab because there are about 2000 of them :(
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Guga, try depmod -aE
[09:28] <ulas2> AilleantSian, graphics board.
[09:28] <tbird> polaritius, hold on ill get you the link to it
[09:28] <dhonn> hey what needs to be installed to compile athlon64 programs under a i386 platform?
[09:28] <AilleantSian> its a wlan
[09:28] <nickrud> |QuaD-, according to breezy changes mail list, less than 3000 updates have been made. Be patient :)
[09:28] <AilleantSian> pcmica
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Guga, sorry make that depmod -Ae
[09:28] <tbird> ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/i386/rc1/j2sdk-1.4.2-rc1-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin
[09:29] <|QuaD-> nickrud: oh, i didn't realize... when are they going to finnish?
[09:29] <Guga> did, LinuxJones   depmod -Ae
[09:29] <LinuxJones> Guga, will it load the module now ?
[09:29] <nickrud> |QuaD-: around 5.10 :)
[09:29] <polaritius> tbird: how do i save that file instead of opening it?
[09:30] <|QuaD-> nickrud: lol... i meant when are they going to finish importing packages!
[09:30] <tbird> open a terminal and type wget ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/i386/rc1/j2sdk-1.4.2-rc1-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin
[09:30] <nickrud> I'm not sure when they'll be done, part of the reason I've been following breezy-changes is to see if I can see :)
[09:31] <tbird> polaritius, just put that link in google
[09:31] <tbird> and choose save
[09:31] <|QuaD-> nickrud: heh.... :)
[09:31] <Guga> LinuxJones, no luck
[09:31] <Guga> same error
[09:31] <polaritius> tbird: do i save it in Home?
[09:31] <tbird> polaritius, yes
[09:32] <LinuxJones> Guga, do you know what kernel your using ?
[09:32] <Guga> LinuxJones, new glxgears error is Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:32] <Guga> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[09:32] <Guga> I don't
[09:32] <artinla> anyone know of a good caller-ID or call block for linux?
[09:33] <LinuxJones> Guga, ok what does uname -r output ?
[09:33] <artinla> guga you don't have the driver module installed or xorg.conf is wrong
[09:33] <jfk303> hile, I'm trying to set up bittorrent. I am connectd through a router and just recently because our network grew a hub too, with the router I just put in the ip address and get the config screen  and can then forward the ports, how do I find out the address of the hub I am now conected through, and will it definatelyhave a config screen?
[09:33] <Guga> 2.6.10-5-386, LinuxJones
[09:34] <flodine> guys whats a good fps in glx?
[09:34] <membreya> only problem was getting an error message re my network mapping :|
[09:34] <LinuxJones> Guga, do sudo apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:34] <membreya> :)
[09:34] <jdong> ok, quick question for you guys: Why isn't Ubuntu using NPTL yet?
[09:34] <hor> To update to hoary (from hoary preview), should i use dselectupgrade,upgrade or distupgrade?
[09:34] <markuman> is there any xterm command to check the mhz from my cpu?
[09:34] <flodine> guys whats a good fps in glx? holla back
[09:35] <jdong> Especially since it's available in dual-personality/compatibility mode, and many other distros are using it
[09:35] <dhonn> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:35] <membreya> markuman: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:35] <nickrud> hor: dist-upgrade
[09:35] <markuman> thx
[09:36] <hor> nickrud: Thank you very much for the tip with apt-zip too :) :)
[09:36] <mvirkkil> Wow. Gnome's cool. You can play a music file with just holding the mouse above the file (at least on the desktop). I think the logic is that you 'preview' it. It's cool, but took me a while to understand what was happening when some random piece started suddenly playing.
[09:36] <membreya> LinuxJones: everything is hunky dory so far except for kcontrol complaining it can't verify my OS :P
[09:36] <Guga> one line, LinuxJones?
[09:36] <nickrud> hor: I hope it works :)
[09:36] <dhonn> when ever i get on a windows computer i never get a chance to see "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[09:36] <LinuxJones> membreya, cool, that's a weird problem :D
[09:36] <LinuxJones> Guga, yeah
[09:36] <markuman> cat /proc/cpuinfo said that it runs with 1 ghz. but i have 2ghz. and the bios said it too
[09:36] <markuman> i use amd64
[09:37] <markuman> some ideas?
[09:37] <membreya> markuman: powernowd
[09:37] <membreya> it's throttling your CPU back
[09:37] <artinla> flodine_ I am getting @10,000
[09:37] <membreya> to save heat and your CPUs lifespan
[09:37] <markuman> aha. membreya, can i controll it? how?
[09:37] <dhonn> mine says 1.2 but i have a pentium4-m 1.8
[09:37] <LinuxJones> membreya, how big is the upgrade ?
[09:38] <Guga> done, LinuxJones
[09:38] <dhonn> it throttles though
[09:38] <membreya> markuman: if you WANT to ...just install cpufreqd..though why you would I don't know
[09:38] <LinuxJones> Guga, ok now try to modprobe nvidia
[09:38] <membreya> LinuxJones: my update was only 90megabytes..with 18 packages held back
[09:38] <markuman> ok thx
[09:38] <Guga> same error LinuxJones
[09:38] <LinuxJones> membreya, sweet
[09:38] <pune> hey  can anyone tell me why the driver that ndiswrapper uninstalled is still active in dmesg?
[09:39] <LinuxJones> Guga, was the nv driver working ok or is this a brand new install ?
[09:39] <membreya> pune: did you modprobe -r it?
[09:39] <NotMeHonest233> Does anyone know if the spam filtering in evolution
[09:39] <Guga> was working when I installed, then quit
[09:39] <membreya> NotMeHonest233: spamassassin, you need to download it
[09:39] <smo> curious, are canonical mailshotting CDs now?  we received a box of warty CDs today, and none of us can figure out who requested them
[09:39] <pune> membreya, no, I modprobe ndiswrappered it
[09:39] <NotMeHonest233> in hoary? doesn't bogofilter work?
[09:40] <dhonn> that would do it pune
[09:40] <Guga> LinuxJones, was working when installed, then quit
[09:40] <dhonn> reverse it
[09:40] <membreya> LinuxJones: is there any way to see the error messages presented when you
[09:40] <membreya> 're booting?
[09:40] <LinuxJones> Guga, did you edit the xorg.conf file and change it to nvidia for the video driver module
[09:40] <dhonn> modprobe -r ndiswrapper
[09:40] <Echylo> hmm question, I updated to breezy, but it's pretty broken :P so I wonder if I can reverse to hoary ?
[09:40] <dhonn> i would do it but id be offline
[09:41] <nickrud> NotMeHo...: evolution only uses spamassasin
[09:41] <Guga> LinuxJones, yes I did.
[09:41] <LinuxJones> membreya, /var/log/messages
[09:41] <pune> dhonn, modprobe -r removes the old driver is that it?
[09:41] <Guga> LinuxJones, let me reboot
[09:41] <membreya> gah 4 days worth :P
[09:41] <LinuxJones> membreya, sorry you mean for a specific service or kernel messages ?
[09:41] <dhonn> ndiswrapper -e drivename would remove the physical widnows driver
[09:41] <hor> nickrud: apt-zip works perfectly! =)
[09:41] <dhonn> drivername*
[09:41] <nickrud> hor: good
[09:42] <pune> dhonn, ok, hold on I'll try that
[09:42] <Echylo> anyone knows how I roll back my breezy system to hoar?
[09:42] <dhonn> modprobe -r ndiswrapper would stop running it
[09:42] <Quenyar> Hello all.  I have a problem. My utbuntu will only run at 800x600, even though the xfree86.conf defines 1024 x 768 ... How can I get it to run this higher resolution?
[09:42] <LinuxJones> Echylo, it would be faster to do a re-install
[09:42] <Echylo> feck
[09:42] <Echylo> hmm
[09:42] <Echylo> well the problem is my printer isn't working anymore
[09:42] <pune> dhonn, it's still listed in dmesg, is that bad?
[09:42] <dhonn> System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution, Quenyar?
[09:43] <LinuxJones> Echylo, what kind of printer do you have ?
[09:43] <dhonn> its ok
[09:43] <Echylo> does hotplug detects my printer? and would it help if I only reinstall that prog
[09:43] <membreya> LinuxJones: im looking for an error message regarding mapping of eth0 that was presented when i was booting
[09:43] <LinuxJones> Echylo, if it's usb yeah
[09:43] <Echylo> ok
[09:43] <Quenyar> dhonn - this gives me two choices 640x480 and 800 x 600...
[09:43] <Echylo> let's give that a try
[09:43] <nickrud> Quenyar, what  monitor do you have?
[09:43] <dhonn> damn
[09:43] <LinuxJones> membreya, that should be in /var/log/messages I think
[09:43] <Quenyar> Song 17sfII
[09:43] <membreya> LinuxJones: nope :|
[09:43] <Quenyar> Sony, not Song
[09:44] <dhonn> dmesg leaves previous messages from the kernel on it, pune
[09:44] <LinuxJones> membreya, check dmesg output
[09:44] <pune> ok, i'm seeing that
[09:44] <nickrud> google song 17sfii and horizrefresh, it should pull up a working config.
[09:44] <pune> dhonn, cool, maybe it'll work now
[09:44] <pune> dhonn, thanks
[09:44] <dhonn> no problem pune
[09:45] <Quenyar> nickrud - Sony Multiscan 17sfII  31-65 Khz / 50-120 Hz Max Resolution:  1280 x 1024
[09:45] <membreya> LinuxJones: nothing :|
[09:45] <membreya> grrrrr
[09:45] <LinuxJones> membreya, your network card is not working ?
[09:46] <nickrud> ok, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and plug the khz and hz in to the monitor section, and all should be good.
[09:46] <pune> dhonn, ok though the damn lights still aren't turning on
[09:46] <membreya> LinuxJones: it's working fine :) but i was baffled by the error message
[09:46] <pune> dhonn, this is driving me crazy
[09:46] <dhonn> sometimes the lights are on sometimes they are off
[09:46] <membreya> ok, here's an easier question, is there a way to find out if you're on DHCP or static?
[09:46] <mike> i downloaded kubuntu-desktop how to a run kde
[09:46] <mike> ?
[09:46] <dhonn> i have the same problem
[09:46] <membreya> using ifconfig?
[09:46] <pune> dhonn, I used iwconfig
[09:46] <alexissoft> hi
[09:47] <Echylo> mike just restart your Xsession with ctrl + alt + backspace & choose it in window manager. Or start a new session
[09:47] <dhonn> mike its in Sessions, on the login screen
[09:47] <membreya> mike: when you download kubuntu-desktop it should ask you if you want to use KDE or not
[09:47] <Echylo> Sessions...
[09:47] <alexissoft> i'm testing gnopernicus with ubuntu to help a couple of visually impaired users to switch into linux (speech synthesis and others are too expensive)
[09:48] <dhonn> have you ran: ndiswrapper -m ?
[09:48] <alexissoft> but i can't start the voice system
[09:48] <mike> thanks guys ill try it out
[09:48] <dhonn> then do :  ifup wlan0
[09:48] <preglow> are anyone able to tell me what version of alsa the current hoary kernel is built with?
[09:48] <alexissoft> and when I launch gnopernicus manually I see that a library is missing : libatk-bridge.so
[09:48] <pune> dhonn, no, it doesn't say anything about that, but I can try hold on
[09:48] <dhonn> i never touch iwconfig
[09:48] <membreya> alexissoft: so install libatk?
[09:48] <alexissoft> membreya: already installed
[09:48] <membreya> sudo apt-get install libatk1.0-0
[09:48] <deltalima> preglow: 2.6.10
[09:49] <membreya> sudo apt-get install libatk1.0-data?
[09:49] <membreya> sudo apt-get install libatk1.0-dev?
[09:49] <alexissoft> data is installed, not dev
[09:49] <pune> dhonn, it returned "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0"
[09:49] <Quenyar> nickrud - under Monitor section?
[09:49] <camcorder> and you should say no ;P
[09:50] <dhonn> do: ndiswrapper -m    first
[09:50] <dhonn> wlan0 should then be a known interface
[09:50] <pune> dhonn, I think i did, and then I did ifup wlan0
[09:50] <Quenyar> nickrud - do I leade the Option "DPMS" the same?
[09:50] <Quenyar> nickrud - kan't type today    do I leave the DPMS option alone?
[09:50] <alexissoft> libatk1.0-dev is installed and the library is missing too
[09:50] <nickrud> yes to both questions :)
[09:51] <pune> dhonn, yeah, it's not being recognized yet
[09:51] <nickrud> quenyar: dpms is what lets the screensaver turn off your monitor after a while
[09:51] <dhonn> your tring to get the lights on?
[09:51] <pune> dhonn, could it be I have the wrong driver even though it fits the hardware in ndiswrapper?
[09:52] <dhonn> what card or drive are you using, pune?
[09:52] <ratius> any of you is running World of Warcraft with linux?
[09:52] <mike> it worked im on kde whoaaao
[09:52] <pune> dhonn, well, if the lights go on I know that the device is configured
[09:52] <pune> dhonn, a dell truemobile 1310
[09:53] <pune> dhonn, it says to use the 1350 driver on the web, and that's what I'm using.
[09:53] <delerium> Hi there! Does the java plugin will work with a amd64 install?
[09:53] <mike> can you use apt for different icon styles?
[09:53] <membreya> yes
[09:53] <membreya> delerium:
[09:53] <dhonn> pune, do:    ndiswrapper -i windowsdriver.inf;  ndiswrapper -l; ndiswrapper -m; modprobe ndiswrapper; ifup wlan0
[09:53] <delerium> thanks membreya
[09:54] <dhonn> that should kick it up
[09:54] <chachacha> hola
[09:54] <chachacha> hi
[09:54] <LinuxJones> chachacha, hiya
[09:54] <mike> there is another monitor like gkrellm that runs on suse and its transparent does anyone know the name of that?
[09:55] <dhonn> pune though the lights might not come on though.  I have had that problem.  to check if it is really up try:  iwlist wla0 scan
[09:55] <dhonn>   iwlist wlan0 scan
[09:56] <tremere> hi, i'm wondering whether AOL has a client for linux?  i really want to try Ubuntu, but only have AOL for internet access.
[09:56] <Delerium_> How to install a .deb package? Which command should I use?
[09:57] <Bazzi> tremere you dont need the client to connect to aol.
[09:57] <nickrud> Delerium_: dpkg -i
[09:57] <alexissoft> Delerium_: dpkg -i
[09:57] <dhonn> dpkg -i pkgname
[09:57] <Delerium_> ty guys.. quick! :)
[09:57] <tremere> Bazzi you don't?  wish i knew that.
[09:57] <Bazzi> tremere thats the last I know, I think that works since 2002 or so.
[09:57] <nickrud> Delerium_: easy one :)
[09:57] <Bazzi> tremere are you on DSL/Cable or dialup?
[09:57] <tremere> Bazzi i am on dialup
[09:58] <Bazzi> k :)
[09:58] <tremere> Bazzi out here in the country we don't have DSL or cable.
[09:58] <membreya> alexissoft: what's the exact error you're getting?
[09:58] <Delerium_> nickrud: comming from the Solaris world... so I don't know the debian variant!
[09:58] <Bazzi> in the middle of nowhere
[09:58] <dhonn> Bazzi im using wireless in a Library lol
[09:58] <nickrud> Delerium_: not a judgement, I like easy ones :)
[09:58] <tremere> Bazzi, yes in the middle of nowhere.  there's a price you pay for serenity :)
[09:58] <alexissoft> membreya: I have a french system
[09:58] <dhonn> i cant afford dialup or cable
[09:59] <alexissoft> I put LC_ALL="C", wait
[09:59] <pune> dhonn, no, still nothing, I think I might be using the wrong driver though
[09:59] <HOKUM> ppl,will anyone answer me couple of completely noob questions?i will appreciate that really,it will only take one minute!
[09:59] <Bazzi> tremere I'm almost comitting suicide in this 7,000 people town
[09:59] <membreya> does it mention GTK alexissoft ?
[09:59] <pune> dhonn, I'll try another one off the web
[09:59] <dhonn> pune, you might have to download previous or latest versions
[09:59] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, go ahead :D
[09:59] <alexissoft> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:59] <tremere> Bazzi i don't believe there is a way to connect to AOL without its client....i believe their server has a specific way of validating username/password, that requries the client...
[10:00] <dhonn> i had the same problem, the one that came with my wifi card is the only driver that worked
[10:00] <alexissoft> membreya: yes
[10:00] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, yeah
[10:00] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, here is good :)
[10:00] <HOKUM> ah,ok :)
[10:00] <membreya> alexissoft: can you do me a favour and when you error out, look at your .xsession-errors file
[10:00] <nickrud> tremere: you have nothing to lose trying pppconfig
[10:00] <Bazzi> tremere for dsl at least there is
[10:00] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, ok so what about sudo ?
[10:00] <membreya> LinuxJones: so installed breezy yet ? :P
[10:00] <HOKUM> where can i get kernel source?
[10:00] <dhonn> pune, i even loaded Linspire wifi drivers
[10:00] <cspnico> someone know how i can get the font of the ubuntu's logo?
[10:01] <LinuxJones> membreya, are there any problems so far ?
[10:01] <HOKUM> andi have a question about sudo...i want to set privilegies on my fat partition,just not sure how to do that
[10:01] <membreya> aside from kcontrol crying.. no :)
[10:01] <HOKUM> althought i was using slackware couple of years ago,i dont know anything now,i forgot all :)
[10:01] <pantz>  i want to build a module for my wireless network card on hoary - can someone tell me if i need linux-headers-386 OR linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 OR do i need linux-source-2.6.10?
[10:01] <tremere> nickrud how well does pppconfig work on Ubuntu?  I know in the past that it didn't work well with Redhat (IIRC)
[10:01] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, check out www.ubuntuguide.org lots of great stuff for the new Ubuntu user :)
[10:01] <pune> dhonn, ok, i'll check it out again
[10:01] <nickrud> HOKUM: in your fstab, use umask in the options column
[10:01] <alexissoft> membreya: I've just (concerning gnopernicus)
[10:01] <dhonn> pune, make sure to ndiswrapper -e oldwindowsdriver.inf
[10:02] <Krys_> I need some very quick emergency help.. I reformatted my laptop which had ubuntu on it.. put windows back on (selling laptop).. and grub won't load.. it says "grub error" how do I get rid of grub so the system's back to normal?
[10:02] <nickrud> tremere: I used it a lot under debian, worked every time.
[10:02] <XandriX_> is there any of the creator sonline ?i meen those who founded ubuntu
[10:02] <alexissoft> (gnopernicus:32393): Gnome-WARNING **: Accessibility: failed to find module 'libatk-bridge' which is needed to make this application accessible
[10:02] <Levander> Where do php errors go in the default ubuntu setup? Running php4 and apache2.
[10:02] <membreya> LinuxJones: the only other thing is administrator mode not working in kcontrol ;)
[10:02] <dhonn> also:  iwlist wlan0 scan... do you have  a wireless network by to connect too?
[10:02] <alexissoft> (gnopernicus:32393): gnopernicus-WARNING **: srcore has ended. (this is a translation of the french message :p)
[10:02] <IIIEars> HOKUM - the toolbar >> System >>Administration >> Users and Groups  - won't do it for you?
[10:03] <HOKUM> well it doesnt allow me to
[10:03] <LinuxJones> membreya, I use Gnome :)
[10:03] <membreya> :P
[10:03] <cspnico> someone know how i can get the font of the ubuntu's logo?
[10:03] <HOKUM> IIIEars,i cant do that,it says i dont have privilegies,so its blured
[10:03] <Quenyar> nickrud - didn't work, all I have is still 80-0 x 600 as max selectable
[10:03] <pune> dhonn, ok thanks for your help. I'm gonna switch to windows and download this driver
[10:03] <Quenyar> nickrud grrrr 800 x 600
[10:03] <zxc> cspnico, I came across this a while ago "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/"...dunno if it helps
[10:04] <nickrud> Quenyar, post your xorg.conf on pastebin.com, and give me the link
[10:04] <cspnico> zxc: >oki taanks
[10:04] <membreya> alexissoft: do you have a /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules directory?
[10:04] <alexissoft> membreya: yes
[10:04] <membreya> what's in it?
[10:05] <Guga> LinuxJones, now the Xserver won't show, I'm on a live cd
[10:05] <LinuxJones> Guga, your on a live cd ohhh
[10:05] <dhonn> lol
[10:05] <LinuxJones> Guga, that's important to know :D
[10:05] <mike> when i download icon themes where do they save to?
[10:06] <alexissoft> libdwellmouselistener.a   libdwellmouselistener.so  libferret.so      libgail-gnome.so  libgail.so             libkeymouselistener.la
[10:06] <alexissoft> libdwellmouselistener.la  libferret.la              libgail-gnome.la  libgail.la        libkeymouselistener.a  libkeymouselistener.so
[10:06] <LinuxJones> Guga, if you do an install to hard disk it will be no problem to get up and running quickly
[10:06] <nickrud> mike: ~/.icons
[10:06] <dhonn> desktop?
[10:06] <Guga> LinuxJones, I wasn't before.  My Xserver went down after reboot, so I used the live cd for here
[10:06] <alexissoft> that is the content of /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules
[10:06] <mike> thanks nickrud
[10:07] <IIIEars> HOKUM - Dunno if this is right ( am new too) CTRL+ALT+F2 passwd  set the password then press CTRL+ALT+F7 - i can change the properties now.
[10:07] <LinuxJones> Guga, what kind of video card is it ?
[10:07] <membreya> alexissoft: so libatkbridge isn't there..give me a bit mate :)
[10:07] <Guga> nvidia 8mb TNT2
[10:07] <alexissoft> membreya: :)
[10:08] <dhonn> I enabled "Hear multiple sounds at once" but on my laptop the sound is grainy,  anyone know how to fix it?
[10:08] <alexissoft> i've installed every package that concerns accebility
[10:08] <alexissoft> i've installed every package that concerns accessibility
[10:08] <LinuxJones> Guga, man that's old, I don't know if the new nvidia drivers will even support that card. Best to just change the driver to vesa. You won't have 3d but at least it will work :(
[10:08] <membreya> alexissoft: sudo apt-get install at-api
[10:09] <Guga> LinuxJones, would a 16 mb VirgeS3 work?
[10:09] <alexissoft> membreya: package not found
[10:09] <unperson> I have an older system (Celeron 400) I'm using as a router/file server with Libranet at the moment.  I'm considering installing hoary on it instead, because it occasionally gets used as a desktop and Ubuntu has a kick-ass desktop setup.  Can anyone point me to a page or post outlining an easy way to setup IP Masquerading in Ubuntu?
[10:09] <XandriX_> i own a company and was wonderig if i could be sponserd by ubuntu i would sell all linux servers with ubuntu if interested email me plz
[10:09] <LinuxJones> Guga, it has an nvidia chipset ?
[10:09] <XandriX_> at xandrix.zenro@gmail.com
[10:09] <unperson> My current setup with Libranet is super easy, which is one of the big upsides.
[10:09] <LinuxJones> Guga, I'm not that familiar with that card
[10:10] <membreya> alexissoft: you did at-spi ..not sp1? :P
[10:10] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, dcc is disabled in xchat by default
[10:10] <membreya> alexissoft: are you running hoary/warty/breezy?
 alexissoft: sudo apt-get install at-api
[10:10] <alexissoft> membreya: hoary
[10:10] <membreya> oh
[10:10] <alexissoft> i've installed it one hour ago
[10:10] <membreya> im so sorry alexissoft ...it's 6 am here
[10:10] <HOKUM> this is not xchat....i am using windows now...i have drivers for my intel536ep modem,but i dont have kernel source
[10:10] <membreya> it's at-spi
[10:10] <nickrud> unperson: I've heard good things about ipmasq
[10:11] <Guga> LinuxJones, when I install Hoary, 3d works fine, then quits after I mount /etc/fstab or apt-get blender3d
[10:11] <alexissoft> its 10pm in paris :)
[10:11] <ubuntugeek> ubuntuforums going down for a few.. fyi for everyone
[10:11] <LinuxJones> Guga, that's retarded
[10:11] <membreya> Guga: what video card?
[10:11] <alexissoft> membreya: thank you
[10:11] <alexissoft> it's working now :)
[10:11] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, you mean gcc ?
[10:11] <membreya> alexissoft: thank me when it works :P
[10:11] <Guga> membreya 8mb nvidia TNT2
[10:12] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
[10:12] <alexissoft> but why at-spi is not a dependency of gnopernicus ?
[10:12] <membreya> Guga: go to your xorg.conf and comment out renderaccel
[10:12] <Loevborg> does anyone know why it is that I have english menu names, despite using a germane locale environment?
[10:12] <membreya> alexissoft: im not sure, I didn't publish it :P
[10:12] <alexissoft> ok
[10:12] <HOKUM> LinuxJones,well,that is what i want,to get that drivers for modem working,and to enable using of my fat partition,that is all i want,and i cant figure it out reading forums/guides/etc
[10:12] <dyce> i have the wlan tools
[10:12] <alexissoft> thank you :)
[10:13] <dyce> what do i do now?
[10:13] <membreya> alexissoft: all up and running now?
[10:13] <Guga> membreya, thank you
[10:13] <alexissoft> i don't have the error message now
[10:13] <nickrud> Loevborg: log out to gdm, and see if english is selected as the language
[10:13] <alexissoft> i don't have the voice for the moment but festival is recognized by gnopernicus
[10:13] <membreya> Guga: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7183
[10:13] <dyce> how do i compile wlan tools.27?
[10:13] <Loevborg> nickrud, the submenus are in german, btw. I selected german in gdm.
[10:14] <nickrud> loevborg, over my head :)
[10:14] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, the build-essential package has all the stuff you need to compile drivers for your modem www.ubuntuguide.org for your fat partition.
[10:14] <Loevborg> nickrud, over mine, too.
[10:15] <LinuxJones> HOKUM, what kind of modem do you have again ?
[10:15] <HOKUM> intel 536ep
[10:15] <dyce> how do i get wlan working?
[10:16] <unperson> I'll also probably want to run one of the more stripped down WMs on this machine.  Any feedback on which packages work well in ubuntu?  XFCE, Blackbox, etc.
[10:16] <dantheman> does anyone know of a good gmail checker for linux?
[10:16] <carlo1> #ubuntu.nl
[10:16] <dyce> anyone got wlan working?
[10:16] <nickrud> unperson: I use gnome, but the consensus I've seen here is in favor of fluxbox
[10:17] <sysrq> unperson: I just installed openbox from CVS then edited gnome-session to start that instead of all the gnome stuff
[10:18] <tamarico>  telnet ubuntuforums.org 80
[10:18] <tamarico> Trying 64.21.33.9...
[10:18] <tamarico> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[10:18] <tamarico> Argh !
[10:18] <dyce> need help guys
[10:18] <dhonn> dyce: i followd the this page (no need to compile anything like it says though) http://bryson.co.nz/files/ndiswrapper.html
[10:18] <dyce> ok
[10:18] <dyce> thanks
[10:19] <membreya> tamarico: ubuntugeek told us before the forums were going offline for a bite
[10:19] <membreya> erm bit
[10:19] <membreya> alexissoft: any luck yet mate?
[10:19] <alexissoft> hmmm
[10:19] <dhonn> dyce even though the page doesnt say it,  you can use other wireless drivers other than rtl8180
[10:19] <alexissoft> festival is using 100% of cpu
[10:20] <alexissoft> and no voice
[10:20] <GNAM> it's a good idea to install kubuntu-desktop package on ubuntu?
[10:20] <fipeso> hello
[10:20] <SpookyET> I have 40 GiB of windows before linux. can i delete that partion, move linux and then resize he linux partition?
[10:21] <tbird> SpookyET, ive used partitionmagic to do that
[10:21] <dyce> which ndiswrapper should i get? the prerelease or the regular release?
[10:21] <kakalto> can I take a cookie from firefox, and put it in konqueror's cookie bag?
[10:21] <kakalto> so that konqueror will use the cookie?
[10:21] <dhonn> just use the one that comes with ubuntu
[10:21] <Loevborg> kakalto, unlikely.
[10:21] <kakalto> :(
[10:21] <Loevborg> kakalto, why would you want that?
[10:21] <fipeso> anyone else got problem to open the ubuntu forum?
[10:21] <mike> there is another monitor like gkrellm that runs on suse and its transparent does anyone know the name of that?\
[10:22] <kakalto> 'cause I have a cookie saying I'm logged into a forum, but firefox didn't save the password, and I've forgotten the password
[10:22] <SpookyET> tbird: partition magic for linux?
[10:22] <Deathwind> fipeso, I think ubuntugeek said it would be down for a couple hours
[10:22] <tbird> SpookyET, no for windows :/
[10:22] <SpookyET> eh
[10:22] <Quenyar> nickrud - sorry to take so long - the file is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 since I'm running Warty
[10:22] <kyncani> GNAM: i have kubuntu-desktop with ubuntu, does not seem to be any problem
[10:22] <SpookyET> but how can it delete the partition with it on it
[10:22] <GhostFreeman> Ok, I just removed KDE
[10:22] <GNAM> thx kyncani
[10:22] <tbird> SpookyET, you cant totally
[10:22] <nickrud> Quenyar: got a link
[10:22] <fipeso> ok thx, I was worried somthings wrong on my end
[10:22] <rafx> is anyone here successfully running ubuntu as guest os in vmware 5.0?
[10:22] <GhostFreeman> now how do I remove all the links made to KDE apps in my GNOME Applications menu?
[10:23] <dhonn> GhostFreeman, i had the same problem as you
[10:23] <Quenyar> a link?
[10:23] <dhonn> you have to use SPM
[10:23] <GhostFreeman> I used Synaptic
[10:23] <tbird> SpookyET, dont know anyother way in  linux maby parted
[10:23] <IIIEars> partition magic is = qtparted in linux - defrag/optimize your windows install to move fragmented data - then move a delete as needed
[10:23] <dhonn> sort it by name of K
[10:23] <kyncani> SpookyET: get knoppix, try qtparted
[10:23] <revelater> is there a graphical program that tells me whats eating up my ram?
[10:23] <dhonn> theres apt-get install gparted
[10:24] <nickrud> quenyar: I'd like to look at it, so if you post it to pastebin.com, I'll be able to :)
[10:24] <GhostFreeman> dhonn -- I already removed the apps with Synaptic
[10:24] <ssam> does anyone here use netapplet? should there be a /bin/netapplet executable?
[10:24] <Zugot> is ubuntu amd64 faster than x86?
[10:24] <IIIEars> it's important to use a good defrag tool windows defrag won't do what you want - i often use System Mechanic (trialware)
[10:24] <kyncani> revelater: i just use top (it's a console program), then type "o" for ordering and "k" to order by resident memory
[10:24] <dhonn> GhostFreeman, same here, but it took some time
[10:24] <kakalto> Zugot, it takes advantage of 64bit architecture
[10:24] <kyncani> revelater: oops, i meant "O" and "q"
[10:25] <GhostFreeman> wait -- I can get rid of the links with Menu Editor
[10:25] <nickrud> ssam: I seem to remember a bug about that, but can't find it :0
[10:25] <GhostFreeman> thanks for the help
[10:25] <Zugot> kakalto: that i understand, but is it really faster?
[10:25] <ssam> nickrud, thanks i'll have a look
[10:25] <kakalto> Zugot, I assume so, but I don't have the hardware to test that ;)
[10:26] <Zugot> i have an amd64 3200 laptop.   i finally believe that i have all my software worked out, so i could switch to amd64 if i wish...   i'm just wondering if it is worth the time
[10:26] <tamarico> membreya, thanks
[10:26] <InitMass> how do i get utf8 support in nano?
[10:26] <mjr> InitMass, you write it...
[10:26] <Quenyar> nickrud - I pasted it to pastebin.com
[10:26] <revelater> kuncani: what isgconfd-2 and hald?
[10:26] <InitMass> mjr, i can't write swedish letters
[10:26] <nickrud> Quenyar, now post the link here.
[10:26] <revelater> kuncani: what is gconfd-2 and hald?
[10:27] <evan_> hi all
[10:27] <mjr> InitMass, you misunderstood; you get the support by coding it
[10:27] <mjr> ie. it doesn't support it
[10:27] <InitMass> mjr, so it's not supported yet?
[10:28] <Quenyar> http://pastebin.com/272165
[10:28] <eflynn> i have an athlon-xp... should i use the 'linux-k7' kernel package?
[10:28] <Quenyar> nickrud - http://pastebin.com/272165  sorry
[10:28] <kyncani> revelater: don't know about isgconfd-2, for hald, apt-cache show hal will tell you. (hal is used by gnome to detect hotplug devices like external disks i think)
[10:28] <InitMass> mjr, can you recommend any other easy to use CLI editor?
[10:28] <nickrud> Quenyar: I have to run for a few minutes, back shortly.
[10:29] <revelater> kuncani: gconfd-2 sorry, i typed in the wrong thing no is in the beggining
[10:29] <kyncani> revelater: gconfd-2 is gnome configuration daemon
[10:29] <Bazzi> InitMass vim :)
[10:29] <mjr> InitMass, the only utf-8 capable textmode editor I know is vim, and I suppose you wouldn't call that easy to use
[10:29] <Bazzi> oh easy to use, nm
[10:29] <revelater> kuncani: not running gnome right now so...
[10:29] <revelater> kuncani: can i kill it?
[10:30] <kyncani> revelater: yeah, if you're not using any gnome app
[10:30] <InitMass> ubuntuforums.org is down
[10:30] <revelater> ohh, i am using gedit
[10:30] <InitMass> mjr, no i wouldn't
[10:30] <Burgundavia> InitMass, gedit can do utf-8
[10:30] <Madeye> is ubuntuforums.org down ?
[10:30] <Hackmo> hey all
[10:30] <InitMass> mjr, but everyone that can use it says it's great
[10:31] <Hackmo> madeye: I can't access the fourms either
[10:31] <Burgundavia> Madeye, for me too
[10:31] <Madeye> Hackmo,  then its down
[10:31] <InitMass> Burgundavia, but it doesn't support terminal editing
[10:31] <Hackmo> does anyone know when firefox 1.0.3 will be in the repositories?
[10:31] <InitMass> maddler, yes i can't get in
[10:31] <Burgundavia> Hackmo, the security things will be backported to 1.0.2
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Hackmo, and as .3 is a security update, that is what you will get
[10:33] <nickrud> Quenyar: it looks good to me, except i've never seen "1x1" in a Modes line.
[10:33] <revelater> kuncani: do i need gdm? can i kill it safely?
[10:34] <kyncani> revelater: no. in general don't kill anything unless you know what it is (some googling will tell you that fast).
[10:34] <Quenyar> nickrud - it results in offering me only 640 x 480 and 800 x 600 screen resolution.
[10:34] <InitMass> mjr, i think i did a test which showed that nano worked with utf8 if u started it in gnome-terminal
[10:34] <ssam> gdm is the login screen
[10:34] <flodine> anyone get mplayer installed correctly
[10:34] <Xenguy> revelater: do you prefer to boot X, or to the console?
[10:34] <ssam> if you kill gdm it will take your xserver with it
[10:35] <kyncani> flodine: i do (mplayer-686)
[10:35] <nickrud> Quenyar: another question, probably stupid, but in the gnome screen res preference, can you change the refresh rate? (starting over again, a bit smaller)
[10:35] <kyncani> meant mplayer-586
[10:35] <revelater> Xenguy: i prefer to be in x running fluxbox
[10:35] <atho> hey guys
[10:35] <revelater> Xenguy: (totally pimped out mind you)
[10:35] <atho> i need help with my PowerMac G3 running hoary
[10:36] <Xenguy> revelater: yeah, but you can either login at the console (then type 'startx'), or you can login 'at the X level' with gdm -- your choice
[10:36] <ssam> atho whats up with it
[10:36] <atho> it freezes at "starting hotplug subsystem"
[10:36] <atho> same with a kubuntu install, of course
[10:36] <ssam> atho what do you have plugged in
[10:36] <atho> warty works fine
[10:36] <atho> nothing
[10:36] <atho> i can unplug everything but VGA
[10:36] <flodine> did anyone find libvorbis 1.0.1-1
[10:36] <atho> and it still does it
[10:36] <kyncani> revelater: gdm is eating like 512k resident memory here anyway, no use to kill it
[10:37] <ssam> atho, ok thats a bit beyond me, you might want to try the mailing list of forum
[10:37] <atho> it's been on the forum
[10:37] <revelater> Xenguy: doesn't startx open gdm?
[10:37] <atho> no reply
[10:38] <atho> can i boot into the ku liveCD and downgrade hotplug?
[10:38] <Xenguy> revelater: no
[10:38] <atho> that's whay im thinking
[10:38] <revelater> kuncani: yah, but thats 512k that can go to something lese...
[10:38] <atho> but i don't know how to do it
[10:38] <Xenguy> revelater: it starts an X session AFAIK
[10:38] <ssam> atho then file a bug at bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[10:38] <Neoman> hallo
[10:39] <revelater> Xenguy: is there some kind of minimalist xserver out there?
[10:39] <Quenyar> nickrud - I can change the refresh rate with the GUI tool, but it does not offer me more resolutions when I take it from 85 to 72
[10:39] <kyncani> atho: you can boot some livecd, disable hotplug from starting at boot time, then start it yourself. You will see which module is choking your box and then you can blacklist it (doc available for that on the web i think)
[10:39] <Xenguy> revelater: I've only used xfree86, but of course Xorg is the new (preferred) kid on the block
[10:40] <Xenguy> revelater: I don't know of any others
[10:40] <revelater> Xenguy: casue its using like 76 megs
[10:40] <nickrud> Quenyar: god, I hate x problems.
[10:40] <atho> kyncani, how do i disable hotplug at boot via a liveCD
[10:40] <Xenguy> revelater: are you measuring with 'top'?
[10:40] <ssam> revelater, what does damn small linux use
[10:41] <kyncani> atho: remove every /etc/rc*.d/*hotplug symlinks
[10:41] <revelater> Xenguy: scratch that 98 megs, and yes i am using top
[10:41] <Quenyar> nickrud - what if I edited the XF86Config-4 file and removed the other options.  ie  Depth 24   Modes           "1024x768"  all others out?
[10:41] <revelater> ssam: not sure what damen small linux uses
[10:41] <ssam> atho, or you can remove the executable flag from them
[10:41] <atho> not sure how to do that:P
[10:42] <JonnySlack> hello all
[10:42] <Xenguy> revelater: er, that's crazy - my 'xfree86' (on debian ATM) is used 8.4 (memory)
[10:42] <kyncani> revelater: you want to look at resident memory usage
[10:42] <JonnySlack> Anyone know how long it takes to ship the hoary cds?
[10:42] <revelater> ssam: but i now that the entire running system takes up less than 50 megs
[10:42] <JonnySlack> I've been waiting for a week.
[10:42] <kyncani> atho: ls -l /etc/rc*.d/*hotplug to see the symlinks, then rm /etc/rc*.d/*hotplug
[10:42] <revelater> kyncani, where is that?
[10:43] <JonnySlack> So what was your distro before ubuntu?
[10:43] <Neoman> I want to ask if I realy  can get free CD of ubuntu?
[10:43] <Marble2> why does my xscreensaver just die after like 30-60 minutes of not using it
[10:43] <nickrud> Quenyar: no point.  Try grep "*Default mode" /var/log/XFree86.log (or whatever your log is named)
[10:43] <kyncani> JonnySlack: i suppose you can't just download them
[10:43] <Marble2> I go to lock my screen and I have to start up the daemon again
[10:43] <Marble2> how can I set it to stay alive forever
[10:44] <ssam> neoman yes
[10:44] <nickrud> Quenyar: that will tell us just what the xserver thinks your monitor can do.
[10:44] <Neoman> so i'm going to ask for it :)
[10:44] <kyncani> revelater: with gnome system monitor, you have to enable it in preferences i think
[10:44] <revelater> kyncani, oh i see, scratch that, it is using 76 megs
[10:44] <ssam> neoman it will take a few weeks to arrive
[10:44] <JonnySlack> kyncani, yah, I could, but I do want to have the official CD set. . .
[10:45] <Neoman> ssam: but it is for free I want to have original cd :)
[10:45] <revelater> kyncani: how do i start gnome system monitor?
[10:45] <JonnySlack> and my main systems are updated to hoary through apt.
[10:45] <kyncani> revelater: somewhere in gnome->system menu. Or your could use top (console app) and type "O" "q"
[10:45] <ssam> neoman, go to http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[10:45] <revelater> kyncani: im... not in gnome
[10:45] <ompaul> gnome-system-monitor  as a command line in a console
[10:45] <ssam> neoman, sign up and you'll get shipped an orginal cd
[10:46] <revelater> what is this bonobo?
[10:47] <kyncani> JonnySlack: well, you're going to use internet for the upgrade, right ?
[10:48] <Quenyar> nickrud - all becomes clear now - it says "insufficient memory for mode" for every resolution above 800 x 600 .  I wonder if there is anything I can do except to change the video card.  If I do switch out the video card, will I need to reinstall or will ubuntu catch the change and reconfigure itself?
[10:48] <JonnySlack> kyncani, 'going'... I did update over the net.
[10:48] <JonnySlack> On my main system that is.
[10:48] <JonnySlack> But I have other plans for the CDs
[10:48] <JonnySlack> Deployment wise.
[10:48] <revelater> kyncani: what is bonobo?
[10:48] <ompaul> Bonobo is a set of language and system independant CORBA interfaces for creating reusable components, controls and creating compound documents.
[10:49] <revelater> english?
[10:49] <nickrud> Quenyar: if it doesn't, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will rebuild one. You will need to move the old one out of the way.
[10:49] <atho> hmmm
[10:49] <ompaul> revelater, that was taken from the bonobo documentation README
[10:49] <atho> the livecd hotplug subsys works fine
[10:49] <kyncani> JonnySlack: you could set up a personnal ubuntu mirror i think, would not that be better ?
[10:49] <Quenyar> thanks!
[10:49] <revelater> ompaul: do i need it?
[10:50] <ompaul> revelater, yes
[10:50] <flodine> what do i need for mplayer to play my movies?
[10:50] <Marble2> Why does my system clock always speed up, and display the wrong time. How can I make it update every 5 minutes with a ntp server (I already tried the one that says Periodically update with ntp server, it doesn't do it often enough for my likeing)
[10:50] <flodine> it just stop
[10:50] <dyce> how do i remove a folder via terminal?
[10:50] <dyce> i made a folder with root
[10:50] <ompaul> revelater, it is the subsystem that allows the objects in gnome talk to each other
[10:50] <dyce> on my user desktop
[10:50] <Xenguy> dyce: you mean 'directory' ;-)
[10:50] <rafx> is ubuntu going to have a server-oriented version?
[10:50] <JonnySlack> dyce, rm -r /path/to/your/folder
[10:50] <dyce> ya
[10:51] <revelater> ompaul: im not running gnome...
[10:51] <dyce> im coming from windows lol
[10:51] <Xenguy> dyce: hehe
[10:51] <ompaul> revelater, what are you running kde?
[10:51] <nickrud> Marble2: apt-get install chrony. It will sync your clock properly
[10:51] <dyce> thanks jonny
[10:51] <JonnySlack> oh
[10:51] <revelater> ompaul: fluxbox
[10:51] <JonnySlack> dyce, in that case...
[10:51] <Xenguy> dyce: rmdir /path/to/directory
[10:51] <Xenguy> dyce: if it is empty
[10:51] <JonnySlack> dyce, sudo rm -r /path/to/your/folder
[10:51] <JonnySlack> Xenguy, he's not on windows 'now'..
[10:52] <Xenguy> JonnySlack: really
[10:52] <flodine> why wont mplayer play movies guy
[10:52] <flodine> what else do i need
[10:53] <JonnySlack> Xenguy, and then I just gave the rmdir command to see it work... sigh... well either way would work.
[10:53] <flodine> holla back
[10:53] <Xenguy> JonnySlack: no worries ;-)
[10:53] <ompaul> revelater, okay, so one minor question, if you do not need it you can remove it, so if you plan on not running gnome again kill it, but I ask a simple question, why bother, it is not like it is running atm
[10:53] <Zugot> is anyone here testing breezy yet?
[10:54] <tbird> Zugot, yeah
[10:54] <JonnySlack> I wish ubuntu was based off slackware... that would be killer! hehe (don't hurt me)
[10:54] <ompaul> revelater, if you do kill it off and want to run a gnome program then you will have to reinstall it and all its friends
[10:54] <revelater> ompaul: no, but it is eating up memory at the moment, and i don't like being shorted memory (getting more later, but for now i only got a half gig)
[10:55] <dyce> ok
[10:55] <atho> guys
[10:55] <atho> in the ubuntu liveCD
[10:55] <atho> how do i mount my HD
[10:55] <ompaul> revelater, a half a gig should be fine with ubuntu, I run it on a couple of boxes with a 1/4
[10:55] <atho> it's at /dev/hdc
[10:55] <flodine> just got suse 9.3 pro and took it off ubuntu rocks all others
[10:55] <flodine> wow
[10:55] <tbird> atho, mount /media/cdrom
[10:56] <Xenguy> kyncani: well he did say 'jab me' ;-)
[10:56] <JonnySlack> kyncani, ouch...
[10:56] <Marble2> how can I set something up so that a certain command runs every 5 minutes
[10:56] <atho> "Cant find /media/cdrom"
[10:56] <kyncani> :p
[10:56] <JonnySlack> ;(
[10:56] <atho> im already booted in the livecd
[10:56] <ompaul> Marble2, have a look at how to run jobs in cron
[10:56] <revelater> ompaul: i can run debian kde on a quarter gig p3...
[10:56] <ompaul> Marble2, also look at the at command
[10:56] <revelater> ompaul: and it is FAST
[10:56] <tbird> atho, have you tried mount /dev/hdc ?
[10:56] <\sh> any /etc/network/interfaces geeks around?
[10:56] <dyce> based on this tutorial
[10:56] <atho> yes
[10:56] <dyce> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[10:56] <Xenguy> Marble2: what command do you want to run every 5 minutes BTW?
[10:57] <Marble2> sync with a ntp server
[10:57] <Xenguy> ahh
[10:57] <dyce> how do i install wireless_tools.27?
[10:57] <tbird> ok, dunno then never used the livecd
[10:57] <Marble2> my system clock runs fast, the gui option doesn't sync often enough
[10:57] <nickrud> Marble2: man crontab man 5 crontab
[10:57] <cavediver> Marble2: you can sync every minute if you want.
[10:57] <Marble2> cavediver: how?
[10:58] <cavediver> Marble2: read some about crontab
[10:58] <Marble2> 5 minutes was just off the top of my head. it will probably be more often then that
[10:58] <kyncani> whoo, ubuntu is rolling its own ntp server ntp.ubuntulinux.org :)
[10:58] <cavediver> Marble2: something must be wrong with your hardware.
[10:58] <JonnySlack> ****** <-- COOL! irc blocks out your password...
[10:58] <Marble2> cavediver: it always ran fine in windows, and this just started recently
[10:58] <Marble2> so I'm thinking it's an ubuntu probably
[10:59] <Marble2> but I'm really burnt out at fixing stuff, I just want to use an ntp server to keep it current
[10:59] <cavediver> I don't think software can change the speed on the bios clock.
[10:59] <ompaul> JonnySlack, yeah we all read bash.org when not helping :-)
[10:59] <Zugot> i'm running breezy under a vmware session...
[10:59] <Marble2> well I dunno, but something is wrong
[10:59] <JonnySlack> ompaul, I just read it...
[10:59] <JonnySlack> ompaul, funny stuff
[10:59] <Zugot> i may just get the kernel from it and use it on my hoary install\
[11:00] <dyce> what is sudo?
[11:01] <dyce> is it the same as "su"
[11:01] <Marble2> dyce: run commands that require root access
[11:01] <Marble2> but as another user
[11:01] <dyce> oh
[11:01] <dyce> what is su?
[11:01] <JonnySlack> switch user
[11:01] <deepnarc> su is 'set user'
[11:01] <dyce> ok
[11:01] <ompaul> su= Change user ID or become super-user
[11:01] <dyce> like
[11:02] <deepnarc> dyce: su lets you run commands as another user
[11:02] <dyce> when i extract ndiswrapper
[11:02] <dyce> i have to cd to it
[11:02] <ompaul> sudo,  execute a command as another user
[11:02] <Phoenix|ZzzZzz> Im having some trouble with my network on my ubuntu box
[11:02] <deepnarc> dyce: sudo lets you run commands as though you were another user, without actually changing user
[11:02] <dyce> ok
[11:02] <Phoenix_Zero> I cant seem to get ifconfig to work the way I need to
[11:02] <dyce> like sudo -s -H
[11:02] <JonnySlack> and what do you need it to do?
[11:02] <Phoenix_Zero> I want to have my network card (eth1) set to 192.168.1.10
[11:02] <dyce> to install a module
[11:03] <Phoenix_Zero> but whenever I set it that way I cant ping anything
[11:03] <Phoenix_Zero> with the subnet 255.255.0.0 (so I can communicate with my 192.168.2.x boxes)
[11:03] <JonnySlack> sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.10
[11:03] <dyce> someone who has wlan set up plz guide me
[11:03] <Phoenix_Zero> ok now how do I set the netmask and DNS servers?
[11:03] <JonnySlack> Just put it into the 192.168.2.x IP range
[11:04] <Phoenix_Zero> sorry for the dumb questions, Im just not used to linux networking
[11:04] <deepnarc> dyce: are you installing from source or from apt?
[11:04] <dyce> source
[11:04] <dyce> it wants me to make install
[11:04] <JonnySlack> you can always run the config scripts in ubuntu.
[11:04] <Marble2> can someone help me with crontabs?>
[11:04] <Phoenix_Zero> Johnny, sorry? I have it as 192.168.1.10 . Are you telling me to place its IP as 192.168.2.x?
[11:04] <Phoenix_Zero> basically I just want it statically configured
[11:04] <deepnarc> dyce: ndiswrapper is part of ubuntu repositories now, much easier!
[11:04] <Phoenix_Zero> but whenever  I do that it cant reach the rest of the network anymore
[11:04] <Marble2> I'm reading online, and it says how to run something every day at a specified time, but how do I do it at a certain interval, i.e every 1 minute
[11:05] <dyce> REALLY?
[11:05] <JonnySlack> Phoenix_Zero, if you are trying to ping 192.168.2.x boxen that is.
[11:05] <Phoenix_Zero> what I want is its IP to be 192.168.1.10, its subnet to be 255.255.0.0 and the primary DNS to be 192.168.2.50 secondary dns to be 192.168.1.1
[11:05] <dyce> can i pm u deepnarc?
[11:05] <Zugot> i need a new laptop
[11:05] <JonnySlack> is the secondary DNS your router (with dhcp turned off)???
[11:05] <Zugot> i just can't develop code at 1280x800
[11:05] <dyce> Zugot: me 2
[11:05] <Phoenix_Zero> but whenever I set it that way manually with the Kontrol Konsole I cant resolve ANYTHING and when I try to ping google.com for isntance it says unreachable
[11:06] <Zugot> dyce: my laptop is pretty sweet otherwise tough
[11:06] <Zugot> er though
[11:06] <Phoenix_Zero> "network is unreachable"
[11:06] <deepnarc> dyce: probably, if I could work out how to use this flaming chat client...
[11:06] <dyce> min eis a 400mhz
[11:06] <dyce> mine is*
[11:06] <dyce> amd k6
[11:06] <dyce> 3e
[11:06] <dyce> 3d
[11:06] <JonnySlack> Phoenix_Zero, and setting up a router to give your MAC address a reserved IP is not an option?
[11:06] <dyce> after i set up ndiswrapper
[11:06] <dyce> im gonna put fluxbox
[11:07] <Zugot> dyce: i believe mine runs at 2GHz..  and its an amd64 3200
[11:07] <Phoenix_Zero> the routers fucks up with it
[11:07] <Zugot> i wish i had a 1600x1200 screen
[11:07] <JonnySlack> 1.4 athlon xp here...
[11:07] <JonnySlack> 1.4ghz that is... 1600+
[11:07] <Marble2> can I use spaces in a crontab file?
[11:07] <Marble2> or does it need quotes around it?
[11:07] <Phoenix_Zero> it worked in debian....:(
[11:07] <Zugot> 1.5GB of memory helps out alot
[11:07] <penguinparty> my alsa is borked and I cant get it fixed
[11:07] <nickrud> Marble2  a line something like:  1-60/2 * * * * will run every two minuts
[11:07] <penguinparty> donno how to get my sound card working
[11:07] <JonnySlack> alsaconfig?
[11:08] <Zugot> nickrud: how about */2 * * * *
[11:08] <penguinparty> no alsaconfig on my box
[11:08] <ompaul> Phoenix_Zero, you do have a gateway from one network to the other
[11:08] <nickrud> Zugot: I'm conservative :)
[11:08] <Phoenix_Zero> what is alsaconfig?
[11:08] <Phoenix_Zero> ya I believe I do
[11:08] <Zugot> nickrud: i'm a lazy unix admin
[11:08] <JonnySlack> Phoenix_Zero, a config program for alsa
[11:08] <dphase> anyone using breezy yet?
[11:08] <Phoenix_Zero> my windows boxen can ping 192.168.2.x even though theyre mainly 192.168.1.x
[11:09] <Zugot> dphase: i have it running in a vmware window right now
[11:09] <tbird> dphase, i use it
[11:09] <Zugot> i need to upgrade my laptop to 2.6.11 and i may just upgrade the whole thing this afternoon
[11:10] <deepnarc> dyce: ndiswrapper is marked as 'ndiswrapper-utils' for the client side programs (in 'restricted' repository I think), kernel side is already installed to the kernel...
[11:10] <Marble2> where is the default crontab file located?
[11:10] <nickrud> Zugot: I'm not an admin, that's why my stuff needs clarity, so I'll understand it a year later :)
[11:10] <Phoenix_Zero> Im really confused here
[11:10] <Zugot> nickrud: i have hundres of linux servers at work
[11:11] <nickrud> Zugot: I've got one machine at home :)
[11:11] <Phoenix_Zero> it can ping 192.168.1.1, it can ping 192.168.2.50 (my local DNS) but it cant ping anything by name
[11:12] <jordanau> there haven't been any hoary updates in the last few days, is that normal? Or am I having problems?
[11:12] <deepnarc> Phoenix_Zero: your name resolution is buggered (technical term)
[11:12] <ompaul> Marble2, to find files on a machine there are a couple of standard ways - one is to run updatedb and this will create/update  a db of all files on a system then files in that can be found b ytyping `locate file_name_or_part_of_name | more` the | more bit is used if you have a long list
[11:12] <Phoenix_Zero> deepnarc: the windows boxes can ping each other
[11:12] <Zugot> nickrud: i only use one machine at home... vmware has to be one of my favorite purchases..  my laptop runs ubuntu, and i have a windows xp running in vmware and i'm playing with ubuntu breezy in another vmware session
[11:12] <Phoenix_Zero> and the windows boxes can ping the linux box by its host name
[11:12] <Xenguy> Marble2: what ompaul said, except use 'less' instead of 'more' as your pager :-)
[11:13] <ulas2> AilleantSian, private me....
[11:13] <Marble2> I keep getting this
[11:13] <Marble2> no crontab for greg - using an empty one
[11:13] <Marble2> crontab: installing new crontab
[11:13] <Marble2> "/tmp/crontab.Zhvpf3/crontab":0: bad minute
[11:13] <Marble2> errors in crontab file, can't install.
[11:13] <Marble2> Do you want to retry the same edit?
[11:13] <Marble2> wth?
[11:13] <limer> =P~  Giant has chex mix for a buck.  go get some ppl
[11:13] <penguinparty> hi there im using hoary and my alsa is borked
[11:13] <Marble2> I can't add one
[11:13] <penguinparty> not sure how to get it going
[11:13] <Phoenix_Zero> dammit!
[11:13] <ompaul> Marble2, you know what Xenguy has a good one there  :) you can also type which _command_name_ and get the path to a command
[11:13] <penguinparty> using an au8820 card
[11:13] <Phoenix_Zero> I tried disabling the interface so I could reenable it
[11:13] <deepnarc> Phoenix_Zero: what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
[11:13] <Phoenix_Zero> but now it wont reenable!
[11:14] <ompaul> Marble2, as long as it is on your path :)
[11:14] <nickrud> Zugot: Yeah, If I had vmware I'd be doing the same (without XP, I'm finally free after 5 years)
[11:14] <Phoenix_Zero> now I cant even reenable eth1
[11:14] <Xenguy> Marble2: your syntax is *almost* correct, but not quite ;-)
[11:14] <Marble2> i was running crontab -eu greg
[11:14] <Marble2> what's wrong with that?
[11:14] <Xenguy> Marble2: if it is just 1 line, why not paste it here?
[11:14] <deepnarc> oops got to go...
[11:15] <Phoenix_Zero> great...now how do I reenable this thing?
[11:15] <Zugot> nickrud: the job uses windows xp... so i have outlook running in and visio..   nothing compares to visio
[11:15] <Xenguy> Marble2: it's the line in the crontab file that needs tweaking I bet
[11:15] <Marble2> oh the crontab line is messed so it can't save?
[11:15] <Marble2> or what
[11:15] <Xenguy> yes
[11:15] <Xenguy> likely
[11:15] <ompaul> Zugot, dia does
[11:15] <Marble2> 1-60 * * * * sudo /usr/sbin/ntpdate ntp0.amc.anl.gov
[11:15] <ompaul> perhaps :)
[11:15] <Zugot> ompaul: no it does... seriously..
[11:15] <penguinparty> what does a RIP in the DMESG mean?
[11:15] <Zugot> ompaul: no it doesn't... seriously.. they aren't even in the same leauge
[11:16] <kakalto> penguinparty, perhaps D Message
[11:16] <ompaul> Zugot, I do not concur that file extentions make the application :)
[11:16] <kakalto> I wouldn't know
[11:16] <Xenguy> Marble2: try */5 instead
[11:16] <Phoenix_Zero> how can I get the network running right? would someone please help me?
[11:16] <Zugot> 1 - 60 isn't going to get you anywhere...
[11:16] <penguinparty> so I get a RIP on au8820:vortex_core_init
[11:16] <Marble2> Xenguy: I want it to happen once every minute
[11:16] <Xenguy> Marble2: */1
[11:16] <Zugot> if you want it to run every minute, just do * * * * *
[11:16] <penguinparty> cant see any /dev/dsp
[11:16] <Zugot> ever 2 seconds... */2 * * * *
[11:17] <penguinparty> no sound :(
[11:17] <Zugot> and if you want to use numbers, use 0 - 59
[11:17] <Marble2> yay
[11:17] <Marble2> worked
[11:17] <Zugot> there isn't a 60'th second
[11:17] <Marble2> thanks Xenguy
[11:17] <ompaul> Zugot, and there I will agree with you :)
[11:17] <penguinparty> is there problems with alsa in 2.6.11?
[11:17] <Xenguy> Zugot: there are not seconds, no?
[11:17] <Xenguy> Marble2: yw
[11:18] <Zugot> Xenguy: cron doesn't have resolution in seconds
[11:18] <Thanatermesis> what are more new? hoary or warty ?
[11:18] <Phoenix_Zero> ok I have it up again
[11:18] <eruin> argh, I wish rbox didn't segfault on me :D
[11:18] <Phoenix_Zero> but it still wont ping anything outside my internal network!
[11:18] <Zugot> now ... you guys might want to check out ntpd
[11:18] <Phoenix_Zero> would someone please help me?
[11:18] <Xenguy> Zugot: that was my point :-)  I must have misunderstood your previous comment
[11:18] <penguinparty> Thanatermesis: hoary
[11:18] <|QuaD-> anyone having problems with spellcheck and OOo2 writer in breezy (or hoary, same version)
[11:18] <rmilun> ok ppl,i finished problem with rights on fat partition,i now have normal root account too....now can anyone tell me how to get ubuntu into console mode only,without X,since i have NVIDIA drivers on my PC?and also once more explanation how to get my intel 536ep modem working please!
[11:18] <Thanatermesis> thx
[11:18] <Zugot> if you are running ntpdate every minute, you have bigger problems
[11:19] <Zugot> ompaul: oh and i tried to use dia..  after converting some large drawings over, i just find it isn't as easy to use
[11:19] <|QuaD-> ntupdate is for network time?
[11:19] <Xenguy> Marble2: every minute is probably overkill BTW, but it's yer call :-)
[11:19] <penguinparty> ok hoary is getting very frustrating with sound problems .. . It was all working under warty
[11:19] <nickrud> Marble2: and you'll eventually annoy your ntp server
[11:20] <jordanau> gnomebaker has agonizingly slow mp3 > wav conversion, anyone know anything faster?
[11:21] <Phoenix_Zero> ....please? I really need help getting my network to work...
[11:21] <penguinparty> so anyone know how to troubleshoot alsa
[11:21] <penguinparty> Phoenix: what is the problem
[11:21] <Phoenix_Zero> well
[11:21] <Phoenix_Zero> when I installed ubuntu
[11:21] <nickrud> Marble2: check out chrony. It syncs your clock, works nicely on intermittent networks
[11:21] <Phoenix_Zero> it automatically DHCPed the connection
[11:21] <Phoenix_Zero> so it gave me 192.168.1.151
[11:21] <|QuaD-> nickrud: when i needed microsecond accuracy on an embedded system i was detecting, i synced with my ntp server every few minutes
[11:21] <Phoenix_Zero> however, I want to give it the static IP 192.168.1.10
[11:21] <rmilun> again,can anyone explain me how to get into console mode only with ubuntu,and how to install intel536ep modem drivers?
[11:22] <nickrud> |QuaD-: your own private server, right?
[11:22] <DanglyBits> is there a online database of programs available for ubuntu?
[11:22] <ompaul> Zugot, I do not use it for large work, so I can't comment on that, however I have used it and found it fast and responsive. how many objects did you have in the large drawings?
[11:22] <|QuaD-> nickrud: for that project i had one
[11:22] <penguinparty> Phoenix: you know the netmask . and stuff for your static connection?
[11:22] <Phoenix_Zero> so I went into control console and changed it to 192.168.1.10 and changed the subnet to 255.255.0.0 so it can ping my 192.168.2.x boxes (the other machines can ping this fine) but now whenever I try to ping anything outside my local network it says "Connect: Network is unreachable" and I even have the default gateway set to 192.168.1.1
[11:22] <alexissoft> i've now an other problem with gnopernicus
[11:22] <alexissoft> i've a lot of warnings like that
[11:23] <Deathwind> DanglyBits, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ has the packages available on ubuntu's servers
[11:23] <alexissoft> (srcore:11450): gnopernicus-WARNING **: Unable to find parameter
[11:23] <penguinparty> Phoenix: on the command line what does route say?
[11:23] <nickrud> |QuaD-: I think a second or two off is not an issue for most of us :)
[11:23] <Phoenix_Zero> um..how do I dispaly the route with the command line?
[11:23] <penguinparty> Phoenix: just type "route"
[11:23] <Zugot> ompaul: i have a viso doc with about 500 objects
[11:24] <ompaul> Zugot, okay that might be interesting :)
[11:24] <DanglyBits> Deathwind: what's breezy in packages.ubuntu.com?
[11:24] <Zugot> the doc is so large, it won't even open on my windows xp desktop with 256MB of memory without some crazy swapping
[11:24] <markuman> wtf is with powernowd and cpufrequd
[11:24] <Zugot> ompaul: its 5MB
[11:24] <penguinparty> Phoenix: you should have a default route under destiantion
[11:24] <nickrud> OK, can anyone top this: I used visio on windows 1.04
[11:24] <mjg59> markuman: ?
[11:24] <|QuaD-> nickrud: i have an old win2k box (at my other house) that rarely gets used, it is currently 15 minutes off :)
[11:24] <markuman> if i installed one, is the other one not there
[11:24] <markuman> strange
[11:24] <mjg59> markuman: You should only use one of them.
[11:24] <rmilun> is it possible noone can help me? :) again:running ubuntu in console mode,and installing drivers for my intel 536ep modem :)
[11:24] <Phoenix_Zero> when I do what? when I ifconfig?
[11:24] <ompaul> Zugot, want to send it to me
[11:24] <mjg59> They both do the same thing.
[11:25] <Zugot> ompaul: nah...   not really... its a work document with specific ips....
[11:25] <penguinparty> Phoenix: just type "route"
[11:25] <tbird> you can always use arp to change the ip address
[11:25] <markuman> hm, and what is better for amd64? mjg59, or doesn't metter whitch
[11:25] <Phoenix_Zero> k
[11:25] <Phoenix_Zero> ok
[11:25] <DanglyBits> ANYONE ?? know what breezy is, in the packages.ubuntu.com?
[11:26] <nickrud> |QuaD-: My windows98 partition (still there, just not used anymore) is 9 hours off (utc you know :)
[11:26] <ompaul> Zugot, fine - but now I know it is a network map on visio I can go to some windows people and ask them to build me a network in it :)
[11:26] <DanglyBits> is it a new distro?
[11:26] <alexmr> OLA galera acabei de instalar o Ubuntu e nao me lembro de ter inserido a senha do root em lugar algum. Alguem me ajuda ?
[11:26] <thenuke> DanglyBits: yes
[11:26] <tbird> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/
[11:26] <Phoenix_Zero> "Kernel IP routing table" under destination it says 192.168.0.0, under gatway it says *, under genmask 255.255.0.0 under Flags U, under Metric 0 under Ref 0 under iface eth1
[11:26] <alexmr> is in english here ?
[11:26] <ompaul> DanglyBits, it will be
[11:26] <DanglyBits> where can breezy be downloaded?
[11:26] <penguinparty> Phoenix: there is no default under destiantion?
[11:26] <thenuke> DanglyBits: don tuse it.
[11:26] <DanglyBits> why?
[11:26] <LC0> hi
[11:26] <joha> Hi all!
[11:26] <Phoenix_Zero> under destination it reads "192.168.0.0"
[11:26] <Zugot> anyone here custom compiles their kernels?   i know how to create a new kernel, i just want to make sure i'm doing it the ubuntu way
[11:27] <LC0> it is not a really ubuntu question, but....
[11:27] <thenuke> DanglyBits: it will broke your system propably sooner than later
[11:27] <tbird> DanglyBits, i upgraded from hoary
[11:27] <joha> I'm trying to get my printer working under Ubuntu, but I can't select Parallel Port, only USB...
[11:27] <rmilun> well,i will ask again,running Ubuntu in console mode installing NVIDIA drivers and intel 536ep modem,can anyone help me?
[11:27] <penguinparty> Phoenix: ok you need to open the file at /etc/network/interfaces
[11:27] <penguinparty> Phoenix: as root or sudo
[11:27] <LC0> yesterday i bought a 17'' samsung crt monitor. Then, i can't set any graphics mode in xorg in hoary
[11:27] <djm62> rmilun: ctrl-alt-f1 to get into console mode
[11:27] <LC0> but warty livecd works
[11:27] <Phoenix_Zero> got it open
[11:27] <limer> is gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg required for totem with sound?  I can play video, but no sound
[11:28] <|QuaD-> nickrud: i actually think that the problem with the win2k system is the system time is messed up (on the bios) and i am too lazy to fix it (or something that the ntp isn't touching). I had my family boot to a linux live cd and the ntp didn't solve the issue (i had them boot for other reasons) but it is an old 400mhz pentium i don't care about anymore (until they give it to me to run linux on :) )
[11:28] <thenuke> DanglyBits: using breezy is like using alpha-version of windows longhorn
[11:28] <alexmr> how I do to know the root password of my system. I'm just install it now but I don't remenber the password!!?
[11:28] <rmilun> djm62,thanks about that,i will solve that one problem...just i dont know how to instal modem drivers!
[11:28] <penguinparty> Phoenix: you should have a entry auto eth0
[11:28] <Zugot> breezy is cool as of right this second.   i won't speak for next week
[11:28] <ompaul> DanglyBits, if you want breezy have a look at cdimage.ubuntu.com if you want to - be aware it will break often on you - and you can then code your way out of the breaks, if you can't do this then you should use hoary
[11:28] <DanglyBits> thenuke:  can packages from breezy be used under hoary?
[11:28] <Phoenix_Zero> I dont see auto eth0 anywhere
[11:28] <nickrud> |QuaD-: I think there's an option in ntp to update the hardware clock to the system clock.
[11:28] <tbird> alexmr, there is no default root passwd you use sudo
[11:28] <LC0> a simple question: is dangerous to change a tft monitor to a crt one?
[11:28] <limer> |QuaD-: change the battery on the mobo
[11:28] <penguinparty> Phoenix: what is in the file?
[11:29] <djm62> rmilun: modem? I don't use one anymore...google for ubuntu and your particular model, and if that doesn't work, linux and your model
[11:29] <Zugot> but breezy is really just hoary right now.   not much work has gone into it
[11:29] <joha> Can somebody help me get my printer going, please?
[11:29] <djm62> LC0: I'm not sure what you mean
[11:29] <tbird> Zugot, there has been alot uf updates to breezy
[11:29] <Zugot> breezy is still using the same kernel...
[11:29] <nickrud> joha: what kind of printer, so I know if I can help
[11:29] <rmilun> djm62,i have drivers,i installed them easily in slackware,but ubuntu asks for kernel source....so any help is good...someone mentioned i dont need kernel?or something?
[11:29] <Zugot> tbird: they have been mostly minor
[11:29] <thenuke> DanglyBits: dunno, you most likely dont need newer packages than what you have with hoary
[11:30] <Zugot> i'll be happy when they upgrade mono to 1.1.x
[11:30] <tbird> Zugot, true
[11:30] <Zugot> newer 2.6.11 kernel
[11:30] <limer> tbird: nice to see you again :)
[11:30] <LC0> djm62, i bought yesterday a 17'' samsung syncmaster monitor, and then i can't set any graphic modes in xorg
[11:30] <tbird> Hey limer
[11:30] <DanglyBits> is there any software to handle ups?
[11:30] <nickrud> Zugot: that's about the time I'll be switching, wanna see beagle without any work.
[11:30] <limer> is gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg required for totem with sound?  I can play video, but no sound
[11:30] <Zugot> nickrud: beagle is very interesting to me...
[11:30] <|QuaD-> nickrud, limer: yeah, i never really cared enough, the computer gets used maybe twice a month for my mother to check her aol email (when she forgets to check it at work, or is expecting some). i haven't used in in well over 2 years, and she doesn't complain about it, so i am not too worried.
[11:30] <joha> nickrud: Actually, I'm not even at the model selection: the parport is not shown, only USB ports, but I need the parport
[11:30] <djm62> rmilun: you can get the kernel source...apt-cache search for it
[11:30] <LC0> i tried with all combination of refresh rates: the documentation of monitor is pretty bad
[11:30] <Zugot> i'm going to work a beagle like product for kde
[11:31] <limer> |QuaD-: that's cool man
[11:31] <djm62> LC0: I think it's dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:31] <ompaul> DanglyBits, you could do the following command `sudo apt-cache search ups` and see what that returns
[11:31] <Zugot> i need to work on my mythtv box today
[11:31] <Zugot> i just can't convince myself to get on it
[11:31] <djm62> Zugot: kde happy with c#?
[11:31] <LC0> djm62, i know, i executed xorgconfig
[11:31] <cavediver> Man, have you heard the lugradio ubuntu jingle ? :=) I't so fun :)
[11:31] <alexmr> OK, but if I want to discover the root password, how do I do ?
[11:32] <Zugot> djm62: nope... i'll port it to c++ if i have to
[11:32] <ompaul> cavediver, gime a url
[11:32] <djm62> LC0: have you googled the monitor and "linux"?
[11:32] <|QuaD-> Zugot: there is a kde beagle project happening (not claled that, not a port) do you want the link?
[11:32] <cavediver> hang on a sec
[11:32] <tbird> alexmr, sudo passwd root
[11:32] <LC0> yes
[11:32] <ompaul> it will get ./ed from here
[11:32] <Zugot> |QuaD-: yes i do ...
[11:32] <nickrud> joha: warty or hoary, and what software are you using to install the printer
[11:32] <nicoOoO> hello
[11:32] <|QuaD-> Zugot: lemme find it
[11:32] <tbird> alexmr, and create a passwd for root
[11:32] <LC0> djm62, yes: all pages don't contain good information of that
[11:32] <ompaul> nicoOoO, hello
[11:33] <alexmr> alexmr@neno:~$ sudo passwd root
[11:33] <alexmr> Password:
[11:33] <alexmr> Sorry, try again.
[11:33] <alexmr> Password:
[11:33] <alexmr> sudo: 1 incorrect password attempt
[11:33] <alexmr> alexmr@neno:~$
[11:33] <joha> nickrud: Hoary. I'm going through "System" > "Administration" > "Printing"
[11:33] <cavediver> ompaul: http://helium.terminal.se/dump
[11:33] <Zugot> i need to get another gig stick of memory for the laptop
[11:33] <tbird> alexmr, works here
[11:33] <Zugot> i'm swapping and i have 1.5gb of memory
[11:33] <cavediver> ompaul: one version is with the lugradio ppl singing :)
[11:33] <|QuaD-> Zugot: http://dot.kde.org/1113428593/
[11:33] <LC0> and i can't install in windows agp drivers and graphic ones since i've installed this monitor :S
[11:33] <Zugot> thanks
[11:33] <|QuaD-> Zugot: conceptually it is a little different, but it is the same idea as to what the final product does
[11:34] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:34] <tbird> alexmr, type your user passwd first
[11:34] <limer> alexmr: did you change root's passwd?
[11:34] <tbird> then a root passwd
[11:34] <LC0> confrey, hi
[11:34] <soccer45202> i have a general question...i was a long time fedora user before picking up warty for its RC a while back...i am now running hoary and am playing around with a pvr-500 card that uses the ivtv drivers...i have compiled and installed the drivers, but have a question about modules.conf - is that even still used anymore?  I do not seem to even have the file on my computer
[11:34] <nickrud> joha: I assume you selected "use another printer" and parallel is not there?
[11:34] <alexmr> Ok, let-me try
[11:35] <Obsidians> When I try to do "apt-get install build-essentials" it says "Need to get 0B/2562kB of archives." and then gets to "0% [Working'
[11:35] <Obsidians> ] " and doesn't do anything.
[11:35] <eruin> soccer45202: use /etc/modules
[11:35] <soccer45202> eruin, same type of usage?
[11:35] <eruin> just spit out the module name there
[11:35] <eruin> ;)
[11:35] <alexmr> tbird, Ok work here, very thanks
[11:35] <confrey> my thunderbird in hoary crashes when I try to import something (in addressbook or mail); I have a segfault in run-mozilla.sh; what can I do?
[11:35] <tbird> alexmr, np
[11:36] <ompaul> cavediver, got that idea :)
[11:36] <dyce> i need serious help
[11:36] <joha> nickrud: Yes. And I'm very confused, since "lsmod" says "parport" is loaded, and "dmesg" says a port had been detected...
[11:36] <dyce> i cant use apt-get since i cant config wlan
[11:36] <nickrud> joha, my next questions :)
[11:36] <nicoOoO> i have troubles to play DVDs (i HAVE installed libdvdcss2 and w32codecs): the message [when i click on "Play Disc"]  is:
[11:36] <nicoOoO> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)2, systemstream=(boolean)false
[11:36] <nicoOoO> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3
[11:36] <nicoOoO> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/x-dvd-subpicture
[11:36] <nicoOoO> any idea?
[11:36] <ompaul> playing the oother one now a few times
[11:36] <soccer45202> eruin, what about alias lines and options lines?
[11:36] <dyce> i cant use apt-get since i cant config wlan
[11:36] <dyce> doesnt ubuntu already have wlan support in it?
[11:36] <alexmr> tbird, are you american ?
[11:37] <dyce> how do i access it?
[11:37] <nickrud> joha, do you have parport_pc loaded
[11:37] <joha> nickrud: Yes :)
[11:37] <eruin> soccer45202: no need for alias lines afaik
[11:37] <nicoOoO> s/HAVE installed/DID install/  :p
[11:37] <eruin> soccer45202: and I've never had to use options ;-)
[11:37] <soccer45202> alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c
[11:37] <soccer45202> alias char-major-81 videodev
[11:37] <soccer45202> alias char-major-81-0 ivtv
[11:37] <soccer45202> options cx25840 no_black_magic=1
[11:37] <soccer45202> options ivtv ivtv_std=0 tuner=57,57 tda9887=0,0 ivtv_debug=1
[11:37] <soccer45202> 
[11:37] <soccer45202> options cx25840 i2c_enable=1
[11:37] <soccer45202> options saa7127 i2c_enable=-1
[11:37] <nickrud> joha, I'd file a bug about that.
[11:37] <|QuaD-> so, i am not sure where to ask this, so i hope this is the correct place. I am looking to purchase a ubuntu hoary based shell (monthly fee) with a good uptime (free would be better, but i don't mind paying). does anyone know where i could do so? (if not ubuntu based, debian based)
[11:38] <djm62> dyce: what does iwconfig say?
[11:38] <soccer45202> eruin, i need to put those settings for my capture card..how would i do that with /etc/modules
[11:38] <LycoN> Ok I just got Cedega 4.3.1 and in Counter-strike 1.6 my fps is stuck on 4... Help
[11:39] <Obsidians> When I try to do "apt-get install build-essentials" it says "Need to get 0B/2562kB of archives." and then gets to "0% [Working] " and then doesn't do anything. I need to install that package, what do I do?
[11:39] <eruin> soccer45202: I think that's supposed to be in modprobe.conf
[11:39] <eruin> man modprobe.conf
[11:40] <LycoN> obsidians try sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[11:40] <nickrud> soccer45202: put those lines in a file and drop it into /etc/modprobe.d/
[11:40] <Obsidians> LycoN: Yes..... that's what I was doing..... it gets stuck at 0%.
[11:40] <LycoN> u did it with sudo
[11:40] <soccer45202> nickrud, does it matter what the file name or permissions are?
[11:41] <FR500> Obsidians:  maybe u use a proxy?
[11:41] <Obsidians> LycoN: Yes. Otherwise, it wouldn't let me even get that far, it'd give me a permissions error.
[11:41] <ompaul> but it is bloody brilliand
[11:41] <ompaul> but it is bloody brilliant that is
[11:41] <Obsidians> FR500: No.... I don't think I do. I mean, I have a router, but all the other apt-gets have always worked. They still work, I think. This one just doesn't.
[11:41] <nickrud> soccer45202: no, and no.  It will read those files in lexical order a-zA-z, etc
[11:41] <DanglyBits> are there any ubuntu programs that show sever settings like in Redhat Linux?
[11:42] <nickrud> soccer45202: no, and no.  It will read those files in lexical order a-zA-Z, etc (oops)
[11:42] <FR500> try synaptic
[11:42] <soccer45202> nickrud, thanks!
[11:42] <LycoN> well can ne help me i have got steam running thru cedega and when i play counter-strike 1.6 my fps is stuck on 4... and i have Xorg 6.2 installed
[11:42] <ompaul> DanglyBits, like the stuff where you set what services are running?
[11:42] <FR500> can i mount an ext3 partition in windows?
[11:42] <DanglyBits> ompaul: yes
[11:42] <FR500> LycoN:  what vidcard?
[11:43] <LycoN> i have 9800 pro
[11:43] <RustyShackleford> What is the difference in terms of apps between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[11:43] <InitMass> is eclipse availible in hoary by default?
[11:43] <LycoN> should be able to get over 100 fps
[11:43] <Deathwind> ob1kenewb, just an idea...see if you have a build-essientals*.deb file in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:43] <Deathwind> er Obsidians
[11:44] <DanglyBits> Ubuntu is GNOME version..KUBUNTU is KDE version
[11:44] <LC0> InitMass, not, you must install it
[11:44] <dyce> is there a kwifisetup for gnome?
[11:44] <LycoN> but like it is weird my fps is stuck on
[11:44] <nickrud> RustyShackleford: ubuntu -> gnome (good) kubuntu -> kde (bad) :)
[11:44] <LycoN> 4
[11:44] <DanglyBits> ompaul: yes...any suggestions?
[11:44] <InitMass> LC0, but is it possible to do it with apt-get?
[11:44] <dyce> is there a kwifisetup for gnome?????????????????????
[11:44] <Echylo> how do you change permissions for a whole map & its sub directories
[11:44] <InitMass> LC0, and if so, which is the package?
[11:45] <RustyShackleford> I personally like the looks of KDE better.
[11:45] <LC0> InitMass, don't remember, i've installed it from the sun webpage
[11:45] <ompaul> DanglyBits, what you want is this sysv-rc-conf   (please have patience after all I had to go and find it - it is not something I use every day :))
[11:45] <joha> nickrud: mmkay, thx
[11:45] <InitMass> LC0, is it good to use for developing java and php?
[11:46] <DanglyBits> ompaul: thanks..is it gui based or commandline?
[11:46] <ompaul> DanglyBits, curses
[11:46] <ompaul> DanglyBits, or ncurses
[11:46] <LC0> InitMass, java and php are for different purposes. Php is for web applications. I prefer C++ rather than Java
[11:47] <ompaul> DanglyBits, so I suppose you start it with a command line and then press tab to your hearts content with some other keys :)
[11:47] <LycoN> Ok what linux driver is equivalent to 9800 pro driver in windows????
[11:47] <LC0> anyone knows a hardware discussion channel? i was trying to find it, but i can't...
[11:48] <ompaul> lc0 is there an embedded channel?
[11:48] <InitMass> LC0, i know they are made for different purposes but is eclipse good for developing them?
[11:48] <LC0> ompaul, don't know
[11:48] <LC0> InitMass, eclipse is good for everything :)
[11:49] <RustyShackleford> Can somebody link me to the Screen Resolution Fix Guide?
[11:49] <monkey89> aloha - is it possible to block a repository's version of a certain package?
[11:49] <LycoN> 9800 pro driver in windows = What linux driver?
[11:49] <monkey89> LycoN, ati-drivers
[11:49] <InitMass> LC0, i will start an education with java developing involved so i think i have to learn java
[11:49] <djm62> dyce: System->Administration->Networking
[11:49] <ompaul> ln -s RustyShackleford  Screen Resolution Fix Guide   ( or you could use gnome-control-centre and do it there )
[11:50] <LycoN> i have them all
[11:50] <LycoN> then
[11:50] <InitMass> LC0, i guess java is better for platform independant dev. am i right?
[11:50] <LycoN> so y is my fps stuck on 4 in counter-strike 1.6 thru cedega
[11:50] <FR500> LycoN:  ati-drivers in synapti
[11:50] <FR500> and the glx thing
[11:50] <nickrud> RustyShackleford: you get 60hz only?
[11:50] <LC0> InitMass, totally right
[11:50] <Sionide> Currently playing: Daft Punk - Something About Us
[11:50] <ompaul> InitMass, python might be the thing there
[11:50] <Quest-Master> InitMass: I'd much rather go for Python
[11:50] <LC0> InitMass, but all Java apps runs over a virtual machine, so they are too much slower
[11:51] <InitMass> ompaul, is python OO. i don't think so
[11:51] <Quest-Master> InitMass: umm, yes it is
[11:51] <djm62> InitMass: python is very much OO
[11:51] <dyce> hey guys i need some serious help
[11:51] <ompaul> InitMass, Ich do think so :)
[11:51] <RustyShackleford> I'm getting 640x480 at 60 Hz.  I'm assuming the guide works for Kubuntu also.
[11:51] <pune> hey does anyone know why when I log onto a terminal and enter the command su I can't get my password to work
[11:51] <Quest-Master> InitMass: Python is probably more OO than Java
[11:51] <LC0> python = pseudo-code
[11:51] <djm62> dyce: did you see my above messages?
[11:51] <InitMass> Quest-Master, and platform independant?
[11:51] <Quest-Master> InitMass: sure is.
[11:51] <dyce> no
[11:51] <kyncani> pune: sudo -s
[11:51] <ompaul> InitMass, it is or I would not have said it - best editor for it idle
[11:51] <InitMass> Quest-Master, is python easy to learn, compared to other languages?
[11:51] <dyce> i was beating my head agaist the wall
[11:52] <ice_1963> try sudo
[11:52] <Quest-Master> InitMass: yes. Easy to learn, easy to use.
[11:52] <nickrud> RustyShackleford: X is X, it don't matter.
[11:52] <djm62> dyce: menu: System->Administration->Networking
[11:52] <InitMass> ompaul, best editor for dev of python is IDLE?
[11:52] <dyce> look, i have no internet connection for my ubuntu box
[11:52] <ompaul> yes
[11:52] <Quest-Master> InitMass: It, Ruby, and other languages of the short have development times that are fractions compared to those of Java's or C's.
[11:52] <dyce> i need wlan to get internet
[11:52] <Quest-Master> InitMass: I use ScITE and Quanta for Python.. don't like IDLE much
[11:52] <djm62> dyce: if that doesn't help you configure wlan, then type iwconfig to see if your card is registered
[11:52] <LC0> a question: how can i reinstall grub in mbr from a livecd?
[11:52] <nickrud> RustyShackleford: open /etc/X11/xorg.conf, find the Monitor section, and see what vertrefresh and horizrefresh say
[11:53] <kyncani> InitMass: vim, emacs and eric ;)
[11:53] <LC0> i tried with grub-install, but nothing
[11:53] <InitMass> i want an editor with utf8 support
[11:53] <Quest-Master> LC0: Use the Ubuntu install CD for that. http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:53] <djm62> dyce: type iwconfig in a terminal, of course
[11:53] <dyce> ill try
[11:53] <dyce> to see if it works
[11:53] <ompaul> apt-get install scite lets have a look then
[11:53] <RustyShackleford> No vertrefresh or horisync
[11:53] <dyce> i would use apt-get but i cant
[11:54] <LC0> Quest-Master, the ubuntu install will delete all information of one disk if you do that, am i right?
[11:54] <Quest-Master> LC0: Nope
[11:54] <djm62> dyce: apt-get is not the issue here ;)
[11:54] <Quest-Master> LC0: Just go to Ubuntuguide.. they have a guide on how to do it there. It simple restores GRUB, nothing else
[11:54] <nickrud> OK, what's your model name & number (monitor)
[11:54] <LC0> ok, thanks :)
[11:54] <RustyShackleford> Its a laptop.  Dell Inspirion 1100
[11:55] <InitMass> Quest-Master, ompaul, kyncani, the problem is that i can't come up with any idea for a program. all apps that i need already excist.
[11:55] <Echylo> how can I change file permissions in folders & subdirectory's with one command?
[11:55] <dyce> no wireless extensions
[11:55] <pune> kyncani, that's the command you use?
[11:55] <djm62> dyce: what type of card is it? is it supported by linux?
[11:55] <kyncani> pune: yep, to get a root shell
[11:55] <InitMass> Quest-Master, ompaul, kyncani, and the editor i am after has to be able to make use of utf8
[11:55] <JonnySlack> Oh, now that I think about it... upgrading to hoary from warty broke my ET installation.
[11:55] <dyce> at the hp site
[11:55] <dyce> i saw my card
[11:55] <Quest-Master> InitMass: Quanta rocks
[11:55] <JonnySlack> it just stays at a black screen.
[11:56] <cocaxx> hi
[11:56] <Echylo> hello
[11:56] <nickrud> I don't laptop :)  try googling for your laptop (dell, etc) with 'xorg.conf' This should pull up some configs
[11:56] <djm62> dyce: when you type iwconfig, none of the cards are listed?
[11:56] <LC0> bye all
[11:57] <djm62> dyce: is it a pcmcia card?
[11:57] <dyce> it says lo and sit0
[11:57] <dyce> no, its a usb adapter
[11:57] <InitMass> Quest-Master, even if you are not using kde?
[11:57] <waseem> do you guys know any good cdrippers into mp3 files?
[11:57] <djm62> dyce: try plugging/unplugging it and iwconfig...in case it gets hotplugged
[11:58] <dyce> ok
[11:58] <djm62> waseem: sound-juicer
[11:58] <bwlang> waseem: i like abcde (it's command line)
[11:58] <djm62> rmilun: any luck?
[11:59] <dyce> it still has no wireless extension for "lo and sit0
[11:59] <ice_1963> sound-juicer mp3 plug  need's
[11:59] <RustyShackleford> I've got the file opened up in Kate and i'm ready to save, but it says I don't have access.
[11:59] <djm62> dyce: that's fine: neither of them should have...but it hasn't loaded the module for your card
[11:59] <dyce> so do i need to load them manually?