[12:11] <kay> RustyShackleford: kdegames?
[12:11] <RustyShackleford> Better than nothing.
[12:12] <kay> should also have tuxracer methinks
[12:12] <kay> look in the games section of ... aptitude, synaptics or that kind of thing
[12:19] <whiskey_2> ok...the free crack game abuse is playing in dosbox...but without midi...ubuntu did not set that up correctly i think
[12:19] <whiskey_2> but that does open a lot of free dos games and linux games for the free os
[12:22] <whiskey_2> it does seem a little slow at this time...but i suppose dosbox will improve....at least it is a beginning
[12:22] <phunky> every time I try and use ksysguard, it comes up with an error message saying "connection to localhost has been lost" immediately after starting. What can I do about this?
[12:45] <sorin> hi
[12:45] <sorin> could someone please tell me where the KDM config util is?
[01:09] <flammenbringer> sorin: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[01:11] <flammenbringer> oops, too late
[01:39] <sorin> hi
[01:39] <sorin> I'm having problems with a ntfs partition
[01:39] <sorin> i mounted it, but I can't access the files
[01:40] <glass-eye> sorin: can you access them as sudo?
[01:41] <sorin> yes
[01:44] <sorin> i tried to chown, but it won't let me
[01:47] <sdogi> yeeyee
[01:48] <sorin> where do you change that ugly purple background in konqueror
[01:48] <sorin> i looked under appearance
[01:48] <sdogi> you should look under konqueror
[01:49] <sdogi> hey wtf
[01:50] <sorin> under quenqueror's appearance
[01:50] <sdogi> no
[01:50] <sdogi> you start konqueror
[01:50] <sdogi> and you choose something like view -> change background
[01:50] <sdogi> or something like that
[01:50] <glass-eye> sorin: you can't chown on an ntfs partition
[01:51] <sdogi> you open that home thing
[01:51] <sorin> i want to copy the my documents folder and delete the windows partition
[01:51] <sorin> then move the linux partition and resize
[01:52] <sorin> cp seems to only work with files
[01:52] <glass-eye> sorin: cp -R
[01:52] <glass-eye> you probably have to use sudo to do all the copying
[01:52] <sdogi> you can use --help or -help with every command or when you want more detailed help then man cp
[01:52] <sdogi> yeah
[01:54] <sorin> Assuming this works, what do I use for move and resize?
[01:54] <whiskers> gosh...that blindfolded pianist playing the old mario, zelda, and final fantasy songs is really amazing
[01:54] <glass-eye> sorin: qtparted works pretty well
[01:54] <glass-eye> whiskers: ?
[01:54] <whiskers> glass-eye, you have not seen the mario video of the blindfolded pianist
[01:54] <glass-eye> whiskers: nay
[01:55] <whiskers> that guy is amazing
[01:55] <glass-eye> link?
[01:55] <whiskers> www.videogamepia0nist.com...and look for video section
[01:56] <glass-eye> thanks
[01:56] <whiskers> it uses wmv9 which works on my win98....but for some people that can use wincodecs on linux and not in the US it should work for them too
[01:56] <whiskers> glass-eye, take a look at the first mario video...it is amazing how he can play all that blindfolded
[02:01] <whiskers> glass-eye, did you see the video...this guy is out of this world
[02:02] <whiskers> glass-eye, you should see how fast his fingers move in the zelda video
[02:07] <alex> hi everyone
[02:08] <_alex> hi everyone
[02:09] <_alex> i have a problem with kaffeine
[02:09] <whiskers> glass-eye, i misspelled it.....www.videogamepianist.com
[02:09] <_alex> although i close kaffeine, it is still in the processes list
[02:09] <_alex> and kaffeine eats about 30% of my CPU
[02:10] <_alex> i have to do a "killall kaffeine" to stop it
[02:10] <_alex> does anyone has the same problem ?
[02:12] <sorin> Is there a disk defragmenter for linux?
[02:13] <sorin> _alex: so, kill it
[02:13] <_alex> the thing is: kaffeine shouldn't eat so much cpu and it should stop when i close it
[02:14] <_alex> sorin: no need for a disk defragmenter with linux
[02:14] <sorin> how come?
[02:16] <_alex> file system under linux doesn't need to be defragmented
[02:16] <sorin> really?
[02:17] <sorin> I thought that all file systems have fragmentation problems.
[02:17] <_alex> in fact there is fragmentation, but linux file systems tend to minimize it
[02:18] <sorin> Actually, I'd like to convert ubuntu's ext3 to raiserfs
[02:20] <_alex> the only way is to store your data on a temporary location, while you're formating your disk to reiserfs
[02:20] <sorin> I can't believe I made the move to Linux because of an audio application.  I fell in love with amaroK.
[02:21] <sdogi> whats so cool about amorak
[02:21] <sdogi> never used it 
[02:21] <sdogi> ext3 is better choice, belive me
[02:21] <sdogi> i mean, ext3 is much stable
[02:21] <sorin> _alex: That could be possible after I see all the movies and sync all the audio with my iPod.
[02:22] <sorin> amaroK? try it and see for yourself.
[02:22] <sdogi> i think i have too few cpu and ram power for that
[02:22] <sorin> I'm running it on 700Mhz PIII with 524 MiB of RAM.
[02:23] <sdogi> i'm running transmeta crusoe ~566mhz with 256ram
[02:23] <sorin> Is there a K-Lite Codec Pack style-pack for linux?
[02:24] <sdogi> umm
[02:24] <sdogi> i think that if you install mplayer with essential codecs + oggvorbis stuff... well at least every time i have done it i have never thought about codecs again
[02:25] <sdogi> it is possible though that xine and vlc do something like that too, but i so like mplayer
[02:25] <kkathman> hey everyone :)
[02:25] <sorin> i need xvid/divx/AAC/windows media/real media
[02:25] <sdogi> and why? there isn't better player
[02:26] <sdogi> of course i have to compile mplayer for every computer i use it on, but it is damn worth it
[02:26] <sdogi> xine is good, but it has like those bells and whistles i have hard time disabling, and it still isn't that fast on my laptop... mplayer plays so smoothly
[02:27] <sorin> k-lite codec pack comes with quicktime/real plugins for the browsers without having to install real and quicktime too
[02:27] <sdogi> well, when you install mplayer with essential codecs you should get every codec
[02:27] <sorin> I like apps that look like apps.  That's the success of iTunes.
[02:27] <sorin> That's the reason I like amaroK.
[02:28] <sorin> I got fed up with winamp.
[02:29] <sdogi> actually i'm a bit confused that i haven't seen mplayer as default player for popular linux distros
[02:29] <sorin> How do you set the threading priority for a process?
[02:30] <sdogi> but maybe the issue that you have to compile it to get best results is the key here
[02:30] <sdogi> umm, whats threading priority
[02:30] <sdogi> when you mean like the cpu consuming priority then this thing is called nice
[02:31] <sorin> yeah
[02:31] <whiskers> glass-eye, did you see that blind pianist video
[02:31] <sorin> on windows you Low BelowNormal Normal AboveNormal RealTime
[02:31] <sdogi> from console you could type top, and then type r ...write pid and then write something like 19... which is most lowerst priority
[02:31] <whiskers> glass-eye, blindfolded and playing video game music
[02:32] <sdogi> -19 is most highest, which only root can use... 0 - 19  can be used only by normal users
[02:32] <sdogi> anyway, when you want to do something like that in kde then ctrl+esc should help
[02:32] <glass-eye> whiskers: i haven't had a chance to watch yet...baby is asleep
[02:34] <whiskers> glass-eye, be sure to take a look...it is well worth it and it costs nothing.
[02:34] <whiskers> glass-eye, now i am listening to an audio file he has and it is absolutely amazing music in the final fantasy collection of his audio files
[02:35] <whiskers> glass-eye, i have to say that of all the video games and stuff i have ever seen....nothing beats the music in the final fantasy series
[02:37] <whiskers> glass-eye, that final fantasy 7 prelude is absolutely genius
[02:45] <whiskers> notes in music are like the Lego pieces in Linux....there are millions of them and they have to put in proper alignment to create genius
[02:48] <whiskers> but i have to play it on my Win98 because i live in the US and i can't put the w32codecs on my linux
[02:48] <whiskers> and for some reason he chose to use mp3
[02:54] <whiskers> this guy kinda reminds me of KennyG....those instrumentalists are the best ....that offer incredible sequences of notes....without all the noise and confusions of words
[02:55] <sorin> can you tell cp copy all stuff in foo without dirs a b and c?
[02:57] <whiskers> but the prelude to ff7 and the ending theme to ff10 are out of this world...nothing like them anywhere
[02:58] <qcompson> has anyone else had problems with Render Accel?
[03:02] <RustyShackleford> Where can I find a standard game pack for Kubuntu?
[03:03] <whiskers> RustyShackleford, which games are you looking for there are thousands of free ones
[03:03] <mainer> install synaptic at cli,and install from there,much easier
[03:03] <whiskers> RustyShackleford, what type and which one
[03:03] <qcompson> Maelstrom is a sweet game
[03:03] <mainer> apt-get update,apt-get install synaptic,install kde-games
[03:03] <whiskers> but ff7 is not free as far as i know..i had to pay $1.98 for it here
[03:03] <RustyShackleford> The best one.
[03:04] <RustyShackleford> Thanks mainer.
[03:05] <whiskers> RustyShackleford, there are so many kinds of games: puzzles, logic, action, adventure, RPG, MMORPG, FPS, strategy, tactical, and so on....what kind are you looking for
[03:05] <mainer> n.p.,like Kubuntu,but kynaptic needs work
[03:05] <mainer> Kpackage is good,should have that in archives,for kde...
[03:13] <sorin> can you tell cp copy all stuff in foo without dirs a b and c?
[03:17] <whiskers> RustyShackleford, anyway there are an incredible number of free games....just look at free dos games, free windows games, free sdl games, and so forth.....there are just a few that seem to command a market price....like Grand Theft Auto 4 and Final Fant 12 and True Crime and Half-Life and Quake and Zelda....well that is about it
[03:18] <RustyShackleford> Thanks
[03:18] <RustyShackleford> How do I get gkrellm
[03:22] <whiskers> RustyShackleford, and right now the highest premium game of all is Grand Theft Auto....because so many people love to beat the living hell out of prostitues and shoot all the police cars
[03:23] <whiskers> RustyShackleford, but it is not my cup of tea
[03:27] <qcompson> I enjoy beating prostitutes and shooting police cars
[03:28] <sorin> I'd like the abiliy to right click on a shortcut or executable and click "Run as <user>" like in windows. 
[03:29] <whiskers> sorin, well....windows cost money just like Grand Theft Auto...because some people are willing to pay for those kinds of features
[03:29] <sorin> At least Run as root would be nice
[03:30] <whiskers> sorin, just use the free stuff even if it not so good...at least it is free
[03:30] <sorin> Actually, it is good.  I moved to linux because of amaroK:-).
[03:30] <whiskers> sorin, yes i saw amarok on gentoo...it was nice.
[03:31] <sorin> i hope it works well with the ipod
[03:31] <whiskers> sorin, so you know...sometimes you get lucky and get some nice free stuff...and sometimes you make do with what you can.....but it beats paying outrageous prices for Lambhorgini material
[03:32] <sorin> Windows is not lamborggini.
[03:32] <whiskers> sorin, well some people think it is...look how much they are willing to pay for it
[03:32] <sorin> It's more like an overpriced Skoda:-)
[03:33] <sorin> neah, it comes with the computer, and its price is usually not listed.
[03:33] <sorin> I think it costs OEMs $10 though.
[03:33] <darkaudit> sorin: Trablant ;)
[03:33] <sorin> Trabant.  that thing is made of carboard
[03:33] <whiskers> sorin, no it doesn't...you can buy the hardware all over the place in all kinds of pieces and not have to pay for windows......but people like to spend enormous amounts of money for windows.....don't ask me why
[03:34] <darkaudit> exactly
[03:34] <sorin> have you ever been in one?
[03:34] <darkaudit> thankfully, no
[03:34] <sorin> a skoda is a ferarri compared to that junk
[03:35] <darkaudit> ME must be the Trablant, then
[03:35] <sorin> i can't believe the germans built that rubbish
[03:35] <sorin> "trabant"
[03:35] <sorin> http://www.google.com/search?q=trabant&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[03:36] <sorin> i did saw a cool trabant though.  That dude did something like those tv shows.  It had every cool thing available.
[03:39] <sorin> I've been wondering why Konqueror does not work with GMAIL while Safari does.
[03:43] <whiskers> i talked to one game programmer and asked him...why is it that the most base level of games are the most successful....like Grand Theft Auto 4....and he said the games will go to the very bottom of humanity because there is a market for it
[03:45] <sorin> Humanity craves for the things that it does not have or it is not allowed to do.  Therefore, those things will always sell.
[03:45] <whiskers> and i still cannot figure out why so many people around the world will pay such high prices just to beat the living hell out of helpless prostitutes and watch the blood spurt out of them....and blow up all the police cars.
[03:46] <sorin> I played all the GTA games.
[03:46] <sorin> It's fun.
[03:46] <sorin> You can't do that in real life.
[03:47] <whiskers> sorin, well it is not my cup of tea ...but it sure is commanding market attention
[03:49] <sorin> right now i'm playing splinter cell chaos theory and halo 2
[03:50] <sorin> okay
[03:50] <sorin> all files transfered
[03:51] <sorin> it is time to delete /dev/hda1
[03:52] <whiskers> sorin, must be new stuff....i have not heard of them...is that on new hardware.
[03:52] <Brazmetal> hello
[03:52] <sorin> you never heard of HALO?
[03:52] <whiskers> sorin, i heard of Halo...yes...on the new MS Xbox hardware....but that was some time ago...i have not heard of Halo 2
[03:53] <sorin> it was released a few months ago
[03:53] <Brazmetal> Does someone here use kubuntu, ADSL through router and static local Ip ?
[03:53] <sorin> still on xbox
[03:53] <sorin> spliter cell chaos theory is also on xbox
[03:53] <whiskers> sorin, oh..that is why i have not heard of it.....and xbox is proprietary so i don't have that either
[03:54] <whiskers> sorin, the only splinter i remember was something to do with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
[03:54] <whiskers> sorin, but that was some time ago
[03:55] <qcompson> if games were all morally righteous, there would be a boring selection of games
[03:55] <sorin> Spliter Cell, Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow, and Spliter Cell: Chaos Theory.
[03:55] <sorin> playstation is also proprietary
[03:56] <sorin> gamecube is also proprietary
[03:56] <whiskers> qcompson, well i don't know about that....of course my experience is old...but in my day i enjoyed Ultima, Robin Hood, Monkey Island, King's Quest, and so on....very righteous games
[03:56] <whiskers> qcompson, but things have changed a lot since then
[03:57] <whiskers> qcompson, even enjoyed The Beast Within...also very righteous
[03:57] <RustyShackleford> How do I install the Debian menu?
[03:57] <qcompson> whiskers, I also enjoyed the old sierra games, and they were great
[03:57] <whiskers> qcompson, but well things have changed a lot since those days.
[03:58] <qcompson> whiskers, there were also a lot of war games back then
[03:58] <whiskers> qcompson, and the game programmers say they have to go where the money is.
[03:58] <whiskers> qcompson, well yes...even there were battles in the Beast Within but the righteous won them
[03:58] <whiskers> qcompson, but today things are much different
[03:58] <qcompson> whiskers, so would you blame the game-makers or the consumers?
[03:59] <whiskers> qcompson, i don't know anything...i stay out of it
[03:59] <qcompson> whiskers, doom was out a while ago.. was that righteous?
[03:59] <whiskers> qcompson, no ....Doom was extremely popular because it was evil
[04:00] <whiskers> qcompson, like Grand Theft Auto
[04:00] <qcompson> whiskers, ok... that's cool... 
[04:00] <whiskers> qcompson, and True Crime
[04:01] <qcompson> whiskers, I don't want to get into an argument, let's just agree people are evil :)
[04:01] <whiskers> qcompson, well more politely...they are lacking.
[04:02] <qcompson> whiskers, no, they are quite human, they are whole
[04:02] <whiskers> qcompson, well it is all so confusing and debatable...i just stay out of it
[04:02] <qcompson> whiskers, good call
[04:06] <darkaudit> any use for powernowd on a desktop machine?
[04:14] <Brazmetal> hey...
[04:14] <Brazmetal> talking about powernowd
[04:15] <Brazmetal> why, even disabling some services in rcconf
[04:15] <Brazmetal> the system try to terminate theses processes on shutdown?
[04:18] <darkaudit> athlon xp 2500+ running as a 3000+
[04:24] <sorin> hmm
[04:24] <sorin> does fedex run on sunday?
[04:24] <darkaudit> nope
[04:24] <sorin> saturday?
[04:24] <darkaudit> powernowd had the CPU going from 1.65GHz to 2.2GHz
[04:25] <sorin> my ipod is 4 miles
[04:25] <darkaudit> sorin: Saturdays are extra... usually not, though
[04:26] <sorin> my ipod is 4 miles away
[04:27] <sorin> what is the difference between printer model and printer model gdi?
[04:28] <whiskers> sorin, well i don't know what you are referring to but in the old days gdi was graphics drawing interface
[04:29] <whiskers> sorin, but could mean anything today
[04:29] <sorin> in the printer drivers list in kde printers
[04:29] <whiskers> sorin, could mean anything today
[04:32] <sorin> i selected the one without
[04:32] <sorin> it works
[04:32] <whiskers> everybody is spewing out acronyms for some reason..sse, 3dn,xslt,xml, hpt, smp, etc
[04:32] <sorin> love the gui. cups is horrible witohut
[04:32] <whiskers> don't ask me why
[04:33] <sorin> nasa has acronyms for acronyms
[04:33] <whiskers> there is ddos, i2, phishing, and all kinds of stuff
[04:35] <whiskers> sorin, yes ubuntu really messed up cups and foomatic...maybe they will fix them later
[04:35] <crimsun> whiskers: ..."messed up"...?
[04:35] <crimsun> whiskers: in Hoary? Breezy?
[04:36] <whiskers> crimsun, yes completely messed up...if you http://localhost:631 you cannot get in
[04:36] <whiskers> for cups....and foomatic-configure breaks now when you try to use it to take advantage of all the filters
[04:36] <whiskers> crimsun, ubuntu really screwed that up
[04:37] <whiskers> crimsun, but maybe they will fix it later
[04:38] <darkaudit> whiskers: got to my cups pages just fine in Hoary
[04:38] <whiskers> darkaudit, what did you type for the user and password at port 631
[04:38] <darkaudit> nothing
[04:39] <whiskers> darkaudit, nothing doesn't work here it keeps asking for username and password
[04:40] <darkaudit> whiskers: I tried clicking on Administration once I got into Manage Printers... now it's stuck asking for login :(
[04:40] <whiskers> darkaudit, yep....it is a big ubuntu mistake..along with foomatic-configure...but maybe someday
[04:40] <darkaudit> I added a passwd for root, but it's not taking it
[04:41] <whiskers> darkaudit, that is right...it seems to be broken in ubuntu...and is a major loss
[04:41] <darkaudit> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing
[04:41] <crimsun> that's not broken.
[04:41] <crimsun> it was designed that way.
[04:42] <whiskers> darkaudit, we don't want that....we want the flexibility of cups and foomatic command lines
[04:42] <crimsun> whiskers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20176
[04:42] <whiskers> darkaudit, it is a major break
[04:42] <crimsun> it is not broken. A tool is provided. You can also use the method outlined at that url.
[04:43] <darkaudit> It means I have to log out of this perfectly fine fluxbox session, go into GNOME, tinker with the printer, then go back to flux again...
[04:43] <sorin> Everything seems to work in KDE.
[04:44] <darkaudit> 'course, kprinter is in the fluxbox menu :)
[04:44] <whiskers> crimsun, ok i see the fix for cups...but how about foomatic-configure it is much more important
[04:44] <sorin> Have any of you used QTParted?
[04:44] <crimsun> whiskers: I'd search the wiki/forum. That's precisely what I did just a few minutes ago for that url.
[04:45] <whiskers> sorin, i used it on gentoo but at the time it only resized partitions...not really of much use
[04:45] <crimsun> (well to be honest I used Google to search)
[04:45] <sorin> from current hd or a live cd?
[04:45] <whiskers> crimsun, well i have tried several things with foomatic-configure and so far nothing works
[04:46] <whiskers> crimsun, same type of problem with glom...just can't get it to work right now
[04:46] <darkaudit> sorin: I did to set up the SATA partition before I found that the boot sequence was hosed... system didn't load the correct modules, and wanted to check the filesystem before the drive was ready
[04:47] <sorin> I want to delete hda1 (40 GiB  with Windows), move hda2 and increase its size by 40 GiB
[04:47] <whiskers> crimsun, the fix works for cups and it is very nice to be able to see all the completed jobs in cups
[04:48] <whiskers> crimsun, but there needs to be a way to fix foomatic-configure....it is so important
[04:49] <sorin> Since it claims to be a Partition Magic clone, it should work from current hdd
[04:49] <darkaudit> sorin: but not on an active partition...
[04:49] <darkaudit> best bet is to run from a live CD
[04:50] <sorin> meaning that he lied
[04:51] <darkaudit> even Partition Magic would have to reboot into a special session to finish it's tasks if the edited partition had been active...
[04:54] <sorin> QTParted could do the same.  Then it can claim that it is a PM clone.
[04:54] <glass-eye> sorin: who lied?
[04:55] <sorin> the dev on the site
[04:56] <glass-eye> you should file a lawsuit, bastards, developing a free program that does a pretty damn good job...those bastards...
[04:57] <sorin> :-)
[04:57] <sorin> you can't take a joke?
[04:57] <glass-eye> you can't either?
[04:57] <sorin> is the socket in linux better? the transfer speeds look like they are on steroids
[04:58] <glass-eye> windows uses BSD's network layer
[04:58] <crimsun> Linux does a fair number of things smartly for a standard desktop or server workload
[05:01] <sorin> okay
[05:01] <sorin> good night
[05:01] <whiskers> crimsun, well i noticed that php is still not working with apache2...i am not sure why....but the error logs say something about permissions problem
[05:02] <whiskers> crimsun, but i am not running a website anyway so i don't really care
[05:02] <whiskers> crimsun, just a problem for ubuntu to look into for the next version
[05:02] <crimsun> whiskers: please report it on the bug tracker
[05:03] <whiskers> crimsun, well i used the bug tracker for glom but murray did not seem interested in resolving the problem...perhaps it is a difficult one at this time
[05:04] <whiskers> crimsun, so i did get pgaccess working with the help of tcl/tk...for the time being
[05:04] <crimsun> whiskers: on the bugzilla.u.c?
[05:04] <crimsun> s/the//g
[05:05] <Brazmetal> does someone here have the problem of network just working with dhcp ?
[05:05] <glass-eye> Brazmetal: how do you want it to work?
[05:05] <whiskers> crimsun, where does debian keep all the env files for a similar command to env-update in gentoo
[05:06] <whiskers> crimsun, so you don't have to do everything by hand
[05:06] <whiskers> crimsun, or ubuntu
[05:06] <crimsun> whiskers: I don't know what ,,env-update'' accomplishes
[05:06] <Brazmetal> glass-eye,  I want my network with static local ip
[05:07] <Brazmetal> glass-eye,  Now, running this release, the netwoek just works in dhcp mode.
[05:07] <whiskers> crimsun, well on gentoo they use a service called envd or something and there is a directory /etc/env.d where many env files are kept....and you can update the entire system environment with env-update command
[05:08] <glass-eye> Brazmetal: check the /etc/network/interfaces file
[05:08] <whiskers> crimsun, i could not find a similar situation here so far...but it is new to me
[05:08] <siimo> is there any plans to make kbuntu looks like ubuntu? i mean like fedora or mandrake does for their desktops (themes?) 
[05:08] <crimsun> siimo: not that I'm aware of, though I'm not as involved with kde integration
[05:09] <crimsun> whiskers: I'm still unclear on its function, but I'll google
[05:09] <Brazmetal> glass-eye, i had alreado done it... no success... can you read my thread at ubuntuforum.org?
[05:09] <siimo> ok
[05:10] <whiskers> crimsun, ok...it is a very useful feature of gentoo for development purposes
[05:10] <glass-eye> Brazmetal: link?
[05:10] <Brazmetal> glass-eye, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26432&highlight=dhcp
[05:12] <whiskers> see i have right now one env file for postgresql 8.0.2 and i have no idea what folder to put it into on ubuntu and how to automatically update the system environment
[05:12] <siimo> Brazmetal, what is it exactly that you are looking for?
[05:13] <whiskers> fortunately it seems to be working with pgaccess....but there could be something i am missing
[05:14] <glass-eye> Brazmetal: none of their suggestions worked?
[05:14] <glass-eye> your resolve.conf is correct?
[05:14] <Brazmetal> glass-eye,  yes... i put working ones...
[05:14] <Brazmetal> the dns adrress in my network
[05:15] <Brazmetal> can be the adress of the router
[05:15] <Brazmetal> and the dns adresses of the provider
[05:15] <_root> hola
[05:15] <glass-eye> you can't ping outside the network?
[05:16] <whiskers> crimsun, the command was env-update or etc-update or something like that in gentoo...if you can find something similar in ubuntu
[05:17] <siimo> Brazmetal, so you want to use DHCP but don't want to use DNS servers provided by DHCP ? 
[05:17] <Brazmetal> glass-eye, yes.
[05:17] <glass-eye> siimo: no, he wants to setup a static ip
[05:17] <_javier_> hello world !!!
[05:17] <Brazmetal> siimo,  no... I dont want to use dhcp..
[05:17] <Brazmetal> siimo,  i dont need it... I've got this problem after isntalling the last hoary
[05:17] <siimo> and whats the problem you are having
[05:18] <Brazmetal> sii: can you read my thread?
[05:18] <siimo> ok reading now
[05:19] <Brazmetal> glass-eye, you can see in the thread it's not a dns problem
[05:19] <_javier_> Hello, i have a question
[05:19] <_javier_> where does kynaptic stores the donwloaded programs ?
[05:20] <glass-eye> Brazmetal: you've tried rebooting i assume?
[05:20] <Brazmetal> glass-eye, of course..
[05:20] <siimo> Brazmetal, so you are following the instructions but you dont have network connectivity still? using the static ip way
[05:21] <Brazmetal> siimo, bingo eheheh
[05:21] <_javier_>    : (
[05:22] <Brazmetal> siimo, I have always used this scenario with other distros, even kubuntu/ubuntu previous releases
[05:22] <glass-eye> Brazmetal: i don't know the answer, sorry
[05:23] <siimo> Brazmetal, and it worked previously?
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> _javier_: /var/cache/apt
[05:23] <Brazmetal> glass-eye, norma... ehehhe there are many people with this same problema...
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> _javier_: /var/cache/apt/archives actually.
[05:24] <Brazmetal> siimo, not with this release.. but it works in windows... I have used ubuntu warty, ubuntu/kubuntu hoary preview and there was no problem
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> _javier_: it's not kynaptic that stores them there though, it's apt-get, for which kynaptic is simply a gui frontend for.
[05:25] <siimo> Brazmetal, are you sure you arent missing some package?  
[05:25] <_javier_> thanks   :)
[05:25] <siimo> Brazmetal, tried apt-get install ubuntu-base ? 
[05:25] <siimo> oh wait
[05:25] <siimo> dhcp works
[05:25] <siimo> nvm
[05:25] <Brazmetal> siimo,  I don't know.... But i detected this problem just after booting first time...
[05:26] <siimo> it works for me, though im using DHCP now i have tried static ip before
[05:27] <_javier_> can I store *deb directly in /var/cache/apt to install without download ?
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> you can install .deb directly with dpkg -i <filename>
[05:27] <siimo> _javier_, yes you can
[05:27] <_javier_> and, how can i install *deb ? i am new debian user
[05:28] <siimo> _javier_, /var/cache/apt/archives/ 
[05:28] <_javier_> i know only rom
[05:28] <_javier_> rpm
[05:29] <siimo> _javier_, man dpkg  
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> _javier_: rpm -i = dpkg -i
[05:29] <_javier_> oh !
[05:29] <_javier_> thanks
[05:29] <_javier_> 2 easy !!
[05:31] <Brazmetal> siimo, why dont you try?
[05:32] <Brazmetal> siimo, do you have a dsl connection throug a gateway?
[05:32] <texel> Hello. I just installed kubuntu on a i386 machine, and I need Java. I've read the documents @ the site and Googled a bit, but all the instructions did not work for me. Has anyone here been succesful with Java?
[05:32] <glass-eye> texel: i just downloaded the self extracting binary from java.sun.com and installed it to /opt
[05:32] <_javier_> mmmm, there is no webmin in kubuntu ?
[05:33] <glass-eye> _javier_: might be in universal
[05:33] <siimo> Brazmetal, i use a router as my gateway if thats what you mean, and im using the routers feature to assign a static ip to my NIC via DHCP
[05:33] <glass-eye> siimo: thats not what he is trying to do
[05:33] <siimo> Brazmetal, though i can do it without DHCP too 
[05:33] <_javier_> sorry i speak spanish
[05:33] <siimo> i know what he is trying to do i was only saying that i dont use it anymore
[05:33] <Brazmetal> siimo, can you test?
[05:33] <glass-eye> _javier_: really? i can read spanish?!
[05:33] <_javier_> i am trying to write english
[05:33] <glass-eye> :D
[05:34] <_javier_> cool
[05:34] <texel> glass-eye: Ah, I see. Actually, that was going to be my "last resort." I'd like to try to do it in a more debian-way
[05:34] <siimo> Brazmetal, ill test in a few mins if you dont mind i am downloading something
[05:34] <glass-eye> texel: then i can't help you :)
[05:34] <_javier_> acabo de instalar el kubuntu y me parece muy bueno, creo que me estoy enemorando nuevamente....
[05:34] <Brazmetal> siimo, ok, feel free :)
[05:35] <texel> glass-eye: thanks anyway ;)
[05:35] <glass-eye> :D
[05:36] <_javier_> lo que estoy intentando hacer ahora con mi maquinita es ponerla funcionando como antes: firewall, httpd, sshserver, hugs, ghc, java, etc...
[05:37] <_javier_> ahora estoy decargando un monton de cosas con kynaptic ya que me instale kubuntu desde un CD, este no tenia todo lo que necesito usar pero me parece muy bueno esto de descargar de internet
[05:40] <siimo> Brazmetal, ping
[05:40] <_javier_> 
[05:40] <siimo> Brazmetal, im connected via static ip now, working fine here
[05:41] <Brazmetal> siimo, how did you set it?
[05:41] <Brazmetal> siimo, via Kcontrol?
[05:41] <siimo> Brazmetal, did you remember to set the correct IP for your gateway ?
[05:42] <siimo> Brazmetal, im doing exactly same as this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=7b4ffe5e17f5bd0d22a2122d310809fa&p=129347&postcount=4
[05:42] <siimo> opps i mean http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=129347&postcount=4  
[05:43] <Brazmetal> siimo,  yes I did this...
[05:43] <siimo> are you sure your gateway is correct?
[05:44] <Brazmetal> man
[05:44] <Brazmetal> yes ehehehe
[05:44] <Brazmetal> I always used the same address...
[05:44] <Brazmetal> 192.168.254.254
[05:44] <siimo> i dont know whats wrong then
[05:45] <Brazmetal> it is the adress i use to acess the configuration page of the modem
[05:45] <Brazmetal> siimo,  and i can access it both modes...
[05:45] <siimo> Brazmetal, so you can access the router in both modes but cannot access internet?
[05:46] <Brazmetal> siimo, yes... internet just in dhcp...
[05:46] <siimo> Brazmetal, thats exactly what i happened to me when i didnt have my gateway correct
[05:46] <Brazmetal> ehehe it's impossible not to be correct
[05:47] <Brazmetal> if it is incorrect, could I access the configuration pages?
[05:47] <siimo> what happens when you ping servers 
[05:47] <siimo> Brazmetal, you could if you got it wrong in your config file but type it correct in browser window
[05:48] <siimo> thats exactly what happened to me 
[05:48] <siimo> so i went back and fixed it
[05:48] <glass-eye> wow, i like putty under linux
[05:49] <Brazmetal> sii: no choice... I have it memorized for yeras ehehhee
[05:49] <glass-eye> Brazmetal: you could just double check...for good times sake
[05:50] <Brazmetal> ehehehehehe
[05:50] <Brazmetal> I have tried it lots of times.. :(
[05:51] <siimo> well i dont know then, tell your router to assign same ip to you each time if you can 
[05:51] <siimo> or wait for someone else help
[05:56] <whiskers> Brazmetal, he probably wants a static ip because he most likely wants to run a website
[05:56] <whiskers> Brazmetal, but he will get tired of paying that $30/yr DNS registration fee
[05:57] <glass-eye> whiskers: i think you are talking to the wrong person, Brazmetal is the one that wants the static ip
[05:57] <Brazmetal> whiskers, no... it's not a static internet ip... I want a static lan ip.. local
[05:57] <whiskers> Brazmetal, oh..i see you are building a network and want to use tcpip for the protocol
[05:57] <Brazmetal> no...
[05:58] <whiskers> Brazmetal, to transfer files between the machines
[05:58] <whiskers> Brazmetal, well what then
[06:00] <Chameleon22> under system menu there is "home filder" item... i cant seem to be able to drag it onto the panel. Any ideas how i would be able to do it?
[06:00] <glass-eye> Chameleon22: right click on the panel and add the button
[06:02] <Chameleon22> glass-eye: its not there 
[06:06] <whiskers> this is not bad to have a basic working system in only 10gigs.....much much less than what is required in gentoo
[06:07] <whiskers> and most of the basic features are there
[06:07] <glass-eye> whiskers: the reason i switched from gentoo was the build times
[06:07] <glass-eye> i was using it on a laptop and i would have to start an install before i went to sleep
[06:07] <whiskers> glass-eye, well gentoo is extremely important for developers.....there is no better system for development
[06:08] <markc> does anyone know which udeb the users home directory is stored when using the liveCD ?
[06:08] <glass-eye> whiskers: what kind of development are you talking about? i am a developer
[06:08] <whiskers> glass-eye, but ubuntu has most of the stuff already developed so synaptic makes it quite easy
[06:08] <glass-eye> i do C/C++/C# development...
[06:08] <whiskers> glass-eye, wow that is a lot
[06:09] <glass-eye> and PHP/Perl/Python/...more
[06:09] <crimsun> markc: look in pool/main/c/casper/
[06:09] <whiskers> glass-eye, maybe you could fix glom....it seems there is a problem in main.cc of glom around the bool test....init call
[06:09] <glass-eye> glom?
[06:09] <markc> crimsun> ah thanks
[06:10] <whiskers> glass-eye, yes...it would be a quite useful program if one could get it working
[06:10] <glass-eye> never heard of it
[06:10] <whiskers> glass-eye, see www.glom.org
[06:10] <glass-eye> the latest source doesn't work?
[06:10] <whiskers> glass-eye, no i tried .21 yesterday and still the same problem
[06:11] <whiskers> glass-eye, now interestingly pgaccess refers to an initlocation command of postgresql which i don't seem to have
[06:11] <whiskers> glass-eye, but pgaccess goes ahead and continues to work whereas glom crashes
[06:11] <glass-eye> interesting
[06:12] <glass-eye> i can't find libbakery2.4 in hoary/universal which is required to build it
[06:12] <whiskers> glass-eye, no you have to get it from gnome cvs tree
[06:12] <whiskers> glass-eye, and also the new libgdamm
[06:12] <whiskers> glass-eye, to compile .21
[06:12] <crimsun> only 2.3.13 is in Hoary
[06:12] <glass-eye> hmmm...thats a lot to download...
[06:13] <whiskers> glass-eye, but it did not change the problem....murray seems to be working on report layouts and stuff at this time
[06:13] <whiskers> glass-eye, the new bakery is really an improvement of the document system for glom
[06:13] <whiskers> glass-eye, but it is not of relevance if you can't even make a connection
[06:14] <glass-eye> whiskers: i'd like to help, but i don't have much space left of my system, i'm waiting on a new hd
[06:14] <whiskers> glass-eye, yes...i know....it is hard to work with linux with less than 40gigs...and the larger drives cost a lot and don't last very long
[06:15] <whiskers> glass-eye, but i still have 30 gigs of development space on this 40gig hd
[06:23] <markc> anyone know why gdm is used in the livecd instead of kdm ?
[06:24] <crimsun> for Hoary?
[06:24] <markc> consistancy with ubuntu perhaps ?
[06:24] <markc> yes
[06:24] <crimsun> I don't see gdm at all
[06:24] <crimsun> in fact, pgrep gdm returns non-zero
[06:24] <crimsun> whereas pgrep kdm returns two pids
[06:24] <crimsun> I've been running off this kubuntu livecd for a couple days
[06:25] <markc> livecd ? it looks like gdm and the casper config is for gdm
[06:25] <crimsun> yes, the kubuntu hoary livecd
[06:25] <markc> do you happen to know why it's used ?
[06:25] <crimsun> it's not afaict
[06:26] <crimsun> I'm using the kubuntu hoary livecd, and I'm using kdm
[06:26] <crimsun> it's the default
[06:26] <crimsun> (i386 livecd)
[06:26] <markc> hmm, /usr/lib/casper/post.d/15autologin distinctly configures gdm
[06:27] <crimsun> erm, are you _sure_ you're using kubuntu hoary?
[06:27] <markc> are you seeing two icons in the bottom left corner ? ... I've never seen them in kdm
[06:28] <markc> yep, 5.04 hoary kubuntu i386
[06:28] <markc> I am most likely confused as I'm looking at this stuff for the first time
[06:29] <crimsun> yes, Session Type and Menu, iirc
[06:30] <crimsun> here, just do this from a konsole or one of the ttys: pgrep gdm
[06:30] <crimsun> that should return a prompt immediately
[06:30] <markc> I want to preconfigure the kde desktop settings, any idea where I aim for to do that ?
[06:31] <crimsun> I'm fairly certain you'll have to adjust the casper config then rebuild the {u}deb
[06:31] <flammenbringer> in /etc ?
[06:31] <markc> so, read up on d-i and casper rebuilding I guess
[06:33] <markc> I might try dumping stuff into /etc/skel and see if that overwrites the casper user install first
[06:33] <crimsun> markc: you'd want to ask Riddell, amu, and probably mdz about it. Try in #kubuntu-devel. I could be mistaken about casper, which is why I'm pointing you to mdz; that's his arena.
[06:34] <markc> oh right, man thanks, it's rather confusing stuff to work with, especially fisrt time thru
[06:34] <membreya> kkathman: ello ;)
[06:35] <whiskers> glass-eye, i can give you my build file of the latest gnome if you want it to see if you can get it to connect
[06:35] <whiskers> glass-eye, it is fully compiled...and you just type make install
[06:36] <whiskers> glass-eye, i  mean the latest glom
[06:36] <whiskers> glass-eye, and it also has the source code where you can take a look around line 108 or so of main.cc
[06:37] <whiskers> glass-eye, but i am not sure where to find this initlocation command of postgres
[06:37] <glass-eye> whiskers: i really don't have time to look at it, sorry
[06:37] <whiskers> glass-eye, maybe murray is using a different version of postgresql
[06:37] <glass-eye> could be
[06:38] <whiskers> glass-eye, i simply don't know all the facts
[06:38] <glass-eye> anyone know how to do n-up printing in openoffice?
[06:38] <glass-eye> or just splitting the page?
[06:38] <whiskers> glass-eye, nobody uses openoffice...that is Suns stuff
[06:38] <glass-eye> i use it
[06:39] <glass-eye> kword won't find my font
[06:39] <whiskers> glass-eye, we all use abi, gnumeric, gimpshop, blender, and pgaccess
[06:39] <glass-eye> all of you? thats weird, i didn't know you spoke for everyone in the channel
[06:40] <whiskers> glass-eye, well...Sun deserves credit for its own software....and i leave openoffice to the Sun hardware
[06:40] <whiskers> glass-eye, but kde users prefer koffice and gnome users prefer gnome-office....so there is no room for openoffice except on Sun's computers
[06:41] <glass-eye> i know several people who use openoffice on linux
[06:41] <whiskers> glass-eye, i don't know anybody who uses it
[06:45] <membreya> i use oo.o
[06:45] <membreya> simply because it handles .doc files better
[06:47] <markc> I only use oo.o as a M$ viewer
[06:47] <whiskers> membreya, well...i think Sun permits you to use it if you want to....but gnome already has gnomeoffice which is very extensible...and kde already has koffice which is very consistent
[06:47] <glass-eye> whiskers: openoffice is a fork of staroffice
[06:48] <whiskers> glass-eye, it is star-office...just without a few features in case you did not know
[06:48] <glass-eye> whiskers: yes, thats why i said its a fork
[06:48] <whiskers> glass-eye, and it really is Sun's software
[06:48] <whiskers> glass-eye, they paid a lot of money for it...as i understand it
[06:48] <membreya> it may be sun's baby...but it's opensource no?
[06:49] <whiskers> membreya, as far as i know
[06:49] <markc> sun paid $20m USD for it
[06:49] <markc> cheap
[06:49] <membreya> damn .. I'll buy 3 :P
[06:49] <glass-eye> some of it is GPL some Sun license
[06:50] <glass-eye> i don't understand why something being developed by sun makes it a bad thing, but thats ok...
[06:50] <whiskers> glass-eye, well it is my understanding that Sun wants to use it on its own hardware sales
[06:50] <glass-eye> whiskers: and how does that make it wrong for me to use it?
[06:50] <whiskers> glass-eye, no we are not saying it is bad...just that Sun deserves credit for its own software
[06:51] <glass-eye> whiskers: i'm not claiming otherwise...did you think i was?
[06:51] <markc> whiskers> they didn't develop it, just yanked the icky patent bits and open sourced
[06:51] <markc> it
[06:51] <membreya> whiskers: isn't that why they have "copyright Sun Microsystems" in the about box?
[06:51] <whiskers> glass-eye, as i understand it...Sun wants to sell hardware...and they can offer openoffice at a cheaper price for their customers and for those who want to upgrade to the full feature set of Star Office they can purchase an upgrade.
[06:52] <glass-eye> whiskers: it almost sounds like you are trying to convince me of something but i have no idea what you are trying to convince me of
[06:53] <whiskers> glass-eye, no...not trying to convince...just laying out my understanding
[06:56] <clayasaurus> when i type in 'deb' i get "command not found," why?
[06:57] <crimsun> there is no 'deb' program
[06:57] <crimsun> what are you trying to accomplish?
[06:57] <glass-eye> clayasaurus: what are you trying to do?
[06:57] <glass-eye> doh...crimsun is faster than i
[06:57] <clayasaurus> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java
[06:57] <glass-eye> clayasaurus: you need to add that to /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:57] <glass-eye> then do an apt-get update
[06:57] <clayasaurus> ok thanks 
[07:36] <ryman> hi guys . I wonder if I can install Gnome on Kubuntu ? 
[07:37] <incubii> i dont see why not but if you wanted gnome you would of been better off with ubuntu and not kubuntu
[07:40] <glass-eye> anyone know anything about scripting KDE using DCOP?
[07:43] <incubii> no
[07:43] <incubii> ask in a kde channel
[08:09] <kkathman> hey all
[08:24] <flammenbringer> hey kkathman 
[08:24] <kkathman> HOWDY there flammenbringer  :)
[08:25] <flammenbringer> you're in a good mood today?
[08:27] <stephane> hi everybody
[08:28] <stephane> i have a simple question : how to remove the "infobulle" in kde i unchecked the option but it is still here
[08:30] <flammenbringer> what's the infobulle?
[08:31] <stephane> information bubble
[08:31] <stephane> it's the thing that appears when you pass over an icon
[08:37] <flammen> open kcontrol
[08:37] <smouche> stephane - are you referring to icons on the desktop, or the panels? (kicker?) 
[08:37] <flammen> go to desktop-control panels and uncheck show short infos
[08:37] <smouche> if the latter, right click on a panel, click Configure Panel, in the Appearance tab, uncheck "Enable icon mouseover effects"
[08:38] <stephane> i've unckecked all those option but it is stille here
[08:39] <stephane> smouche thanks
[08:39] <stephane> that was it
[08:39] <smouche> your welcome, stephane.
[08:39] <smouche> "you're welcome", I mean.
[08:40] <stephane> what is weird is that i need to unckeck the growing of the icon to get rid of that short info
[08:40] <flammenbringer> no thanks for me?
[08:40] <stephane> of course flammen thanks
[08:40] <flammenbringer> de rien
[08:41] <stephane> can anyone have his icon growing?
[08:41] <flammenbringer> icon growing?
[08:41] <stephane> damned my english is poor
[08:41] <stephane> :D
[08:42] <stephane> when you pass over an icon it gets bigger
[08:42] <membreya> it's fine stephane ...could be worse, you could be american :P
[08:42] <flammenbringer> lol
[08:42] <stephane> yes it's mac style
[08:43] <stephane> french would be easier for me :D
[08:43] <smouche> moi aussi -- eh, pas vraiment...
[08:43] <stephane> mais si mais si
[08:43] <flammenbringer> fr mich nicht
[08:43] <stephane> we have german, french.....
[08:44] <membreya> and aussie :P
[08:44] <stephane> this is really ubuntu 
[08:44] <smouche> fr mich nicht either!
[08:44] <membreya> smouche: you don't have fur either?
[08:44] <membreya> :P
[08:44] <flammenbringer> and multilingual
[08:44] <flammenbringer> ;)
[08:44] <smouche> au fur et au mesure, non
[08:44] <stephane> yes
[08:45] <smouche> furgeddabout it...
[08:45] <flammenbringer> that hurts
[08:45] <membreya> smouche: pour voux mon ami @}--->----
[08:45] <smouche> je suis polyglottiquement incompetent
[08:45] <membreya> that's ALL I know :P
[08:45] <stephane> that's good
[08:45] <membreya> j'adam
[08:45] <membreya> j'habit Australia
[08:45] <flammenbringer> je suis fatigu
[08:46] <smouche> il est kangaroo
[08:46] <membreya> you're tired flammenbringer ? :P
[08:46] <stephane> il est kangaroo?
[08:46] <flammenbringer> un peu, oui
[08:46] <stephane> ah kangourou
[08:46] <smouche> ah, merci
[08:46] <stephane> pas de quoi
[08:46] <membreya> tres bien!
[08:46] <stephane> everyone is perfect in french
[08:46] <smouche> je suis an loup garou
[08:47] <smouche> oops
[08:47] <smouche> I mean, oups!
[08:47] <membreya> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[08:47] <flammenbringer> un loup?
[08:47] <membreya> erm
[08:47] <membreya> lol
[08:47] <stephane> smouche is knowing all the beast from austria
[08:47] <flammenbringer> a wolf?
[08:47] <stephane> werewolf
[08:47] <membreya> comment allez-vous <--- that's what I meant
[08:47] <smouche> heh heh
[08:47] <flammenbringer> oh, didn't know that
[08:47] <stephane> smouche is a werewolf so hey!!!
[08:48] <stephane> but smouche in english is sfly no?
[08:48] <smouche> dans sept jours -- je me transformerai...
[08:49] <stephane> lol
[08:49] <membreya> too much for me smouche :|
[08:49] <smouche> you're all safe for a week
[08:49] <membreya> 9 days till your transform?
[08:49] <smouche> as I can see, checking this nifty "moon phase indicator" in the kicker...
[08:49] <flammenbringer> 7
[08:49] <membreya> oh ..dher
[08:50] <membreya> sorry..forgot how to count :|
[08:50] <flammenbringer> pas de problme
[08:50] <membreya> wait wait.. going to blow you away
[08:50] <flammenbringer> ;)
[08:50] <membreya> L'CRAYON!!
[08:50] <flammenbringer> ?
[08:50] <stephane> oh talking about the kicker, how can is install superkaramba with apt
[08:50] <flammenbringer> apt-get install superkaramba
[08:51] <stephane> nope
[08:51] <membreya> flammenbringer: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[08:51] <stephane> nope
[08:51] <smouche> ay, karamba!  j'ai pas le moindre ide...
[08:51] <stephane> LOL
[08:51] <neom> LOL
[08:51] <smouche> ok, that's the extent of my fractured french
[08:51] <flammenbringer> mais bien sure stephane 
[08:51] <membreya> going to give you a fractured nose if you dont take it back to english smouche :P
[08:52] <smouche> 'till the full moon, anyway -- ahhh ooooo des loup garous de londres, ahhhhh oooooo!
[08:52] <stephane> the dreary werewolf smouche
[08:52] <stephane> E: Aucun paquet ne correspond au paquet superkaramba
[08:52] <stephane> :D
[08:52] <smouche> dammit, I need a drink.  You may all return to your regularly scheduled programs
[08:52] <flammenbringer> membreya: am not on an ubuntu distro
[08:53] <flammenbringer> i assumed an earlier su
[08:53] <stephane> kubuntu has a good translation
[08:53] <flammenbringer> has more bugs than debian sid
[08:53] <stephane> merci a tous de m'avoir aid
[08:53] <flammenbringer> de rien, que j'ai dit deja
[08:53] <smouche> any time, stephane!
[08:54] <flammenbringer> that was real english french ;)
[08:54] <stephane> you really think that flammen -> that kubuntu is full of bug
[08:54] <flammenbringer> IMHO
[08:54] <flammenbringer> yes
[08:54] <flammenbringer> more than the pure
[08:54] <stephane> lol
[08:54] <flammenbringer> that's why i remigrated
[08:54] <stephane> yeah but for the moment i've met none of them
[08:54] <membreya> stephane: you need to enable universe in your repos
[08:55] <smouche> -- remigrated ??? 
[08:55] <membreya> stephane: you're running hoary?
[08:55] <flammenbringer> back to sid
[08:55] <stephane> oh ok thanks membreya :: yes an hoary
[08:55] <membreya> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/kde/superkaramba
[08:55] <stephane> cool
[08:55] <membreya> or else uncomment the fields for universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:56] <smouche> where's kkathman, he was asking about those before, wasn't he?
[08:56] <stephane> a great thank membreya
[08:56] <membreya> not a wozza
[08:57] <smouche> some day I'll learn Australian, and maybe watch Mad Max without the dubbing...
[08:57] <stephane> flammen what kind of bug di you met?
[08:57] <membreya> lol :P
[08:57] <flammenbringer> oh, and don't forget to add APT::Default-Release "unstable"; to your apt.conf ;)
[08:58] <smouche> no lie - they really did dub Mad Max when it was first released in the US
[08:58] <stephane> lol flammen
[08:58] <membreya> smouche: i know..it's sad
[08:58] <smouche> for who?
[08:58] <smouche> ;-)
[08:58] <membreya> the accents made that movie
[08:58] <flammenbringer> apart from one freeze, lots of crashes
[08:58] <stephane> using specific programs?
[08:59] <flammenbringer> kaffeine 0.6 crashed frequently
[08:59] <flammenbringer> so did konqueror
[08:59] <membreya> kaffeine..i don't even bother anymore
[08:59] <stephane> do you think it's specific to kubuntu or it's the new kde ?
[08:59] <flammenbringer> was a nuissance to remove the kdm-theme too
[09:00] <smouche> for me, konq and kate krash, kaffeine doesn't, but it locks up my cpu..
[09:00] <flammenbringer> kubuntu specific, apart from kaffeine
[09:00] <stephane> ok
[09:00] <flammenbringer> same problems here
[09:00] <stephane> i run with kubuntu for few time but it's running really great
[09:00] <stephane> touchons du bois
[09:01] <flammenbringer> smouche: add APT::Default-Release "unstable"; to your apt.conf and add the needed sources
[09:01] <membreya> you want to touch boys stephane ? :|
[09:01] <stephane> lol
[09:01] <flammenbringer> no crashes on the alioth packages
[09:01] <smouche> heh heh!  I didn't know you said that in french too, stephane
[09:01] <stephane> no touchons du bois -> touch wood
[09:01] <membreya> surrrrrrrrrrrre :P
[09:01] <flammenbringer> i ran kubuntu for two days
[09:01] <stephane> to give me luck, and prevent me from kubuntu crash
[09:02] <flammenbringer> was enough for me
[09:02] <stephane> i have 7 days on 3 pc and no crashes
[09:02] <flammenbringer> i wish you all the luck in the world
[09:02] <flammenbringer> i guess kubuntu just didn't like me
[09:02] <stephane> lol
[09:02] <membreya> stephane: ...touch wood..still sounds like touching boys to me :P
[09:02] <smouche> i have 7 days till I howl at the moon.
[09:03] <stephane> membreya .... no i really prefer women
[09:03] <membreya> ich bin ein sheizerkopf
[09:03] <smouche> flammenbringer - sorry -- were you talking about sources for kaffeine?  
[09:03] <flammenbringer> nope, but a change of the system
[09:04] <flammenbringer> with sid kde is far more stable
[09:04] <flammenbringer> apart from the bug in kaffeine
[09:04] <smouche> hmmm-- I may try that on another box...
[09:04] <membreya> stephane: got superkaramba installed now mate?
[09:04] <stephane> and liquid weather telling me i will have rain all day 
[09:04] <flammenbringer> smouche: try kanotix if you just want to have a look
[09:04] <stephane> thanks
[09:05] <membreya> stephane: ..you're in europe, of course it's going to rain all day
[09:05] <smouche> I'll check it out, thanks flammenbringer
[09:05] <flammenbringer> based on knoppix but installs an almost pure debian/sid
[09:05] <flammenbringer> after one dist-upgrade it's pure
[09:05] <stephane> in south of france we have some all year normally but not this year
[09:05] <flammenbringer> ;)
[09:06] <stephane> some=+some sun
[09:06] <flammenbringer> le midi de france?!
[09:06] <stephane> oui
[09:06] <stephane> petanque pastis cigale
[09:06] <stephane> stands up
[09:06] <stephane> :D
[09:06] <membreya> lol
[09:06] <flammenbringer> that's the farthest south for me on the northern hemisphere
[09:06] <flammenbringer> everything below is just too warm
[09:06] <stephane> were are you from flammen.?
[09:07] <flammenbringer> bavaria
[09:07] <stephane> i love bavaria
[09:07] <flammenbringer> me too ;)
[09:07] <stephane> i'm going to munich often
[09:07] <membreya> mmm chocolate bavarian :D
[09:07] <stephane> and those really f**** beer
[09:07] <flammenbringer> you have relatives there stephane?
[09:07] <stephane> i like oberstdorf too
[09:07] <stephane> in munich some realtive yes
[09:08] <flammenbringer> am from a town 100 east of munich
[09:08] <stephane> i'm going in august
[09:08] <stephane> oh cool
[09:08] <stephane> we'll have a beer in august so
[09:08] <flammenbringer> one of my neighboring villiges is the hometown of ratzinger
[09:08] <stephane> ok
[09:08] <smouche> wow
[09:08] <smouche> he visit much?
[09:08] <flammenbringer> not really often
[09:09] <membreya> hometown of who now?
[09:09] <smouche> Cardinal Ratzinger
[09:09] <smouche> I presume.
[09:09] <stephane> he is a little bit busy
[09:09] <flammenbringer> yep
[09:09] <membreya> oh
[09:09] <membreya> the dude that's going for pope :)
[09:09] <flammenbringer> yep
[09:09] <flammenbringer> would be funny
[09:09] <stephane> they have a distro to realease :D
[09:09] <smouche> lol
[09:09] <flammenbringer> they do
[09:09] <stephane> if they are like debian we can wait
[09:10] <membreya> previous pope polish ....now the new pope will be german...
[09:10] <membreya> hmmmm
[09:10] <stephane> next french
[09:10] <flammenbringer> better hope he won't
[09:10] <stephane> :D
[09:10] <flammenbringer> ratzinger is extremely old-fashioned
[09:10] <membreya> the germans are invading the polish space at the vatican :D
[09:10] <flammenbringer> not again!
[09:10] <stephane> waow let's have an ubuntu//african pope
[09:10] <flammenbringer> ;)
[09:11] <membreya> flammenbringer: fourth reich
[09:11] <membreya> ;)
[09:11] <flammenbringer> then half of the catholics will convert to protestantism
[09:11] <stephane> i won't vote for ratnaziger
[09:11] <membreya> stephane: ...dude..you don't vote for them :P
[09:11] <smouche> I think they should kidnap a protestant, drug him, and make him pope, just for a gag.
[09:11] <flammenbringer> membreya: why fourth?
[09:11] <stephane> really membreya
[09:11] <flammenbringer> we didn't even have a third empire
[09:11] <stephane> oh no we are voting for europe
[09:11] <membreya> flammenbringer: hitler had the 3rd reiche :)
[09:11] <flammenbringer> the second never ended :p
[09:11] <stephane> in france only
[09:12] <flammenbringer> span already voted
[09:12] <smouche> heh, poor Chirac has his hands full...
[09:12] <flammenbringer> +i
[09:12] <stephane> really full
[09:12] <stephane> they voted yes in spain hey?
[09:12] <flammenbringer> yep, the socialists have probably lit the fire
[09:12] <flammenbringer> yes
[09:12] <stephane> then in france we won't
[09:12] <stephane> 56% of no
[09:13] <stephane> people don't like patent software
[09:13] <stephane> lol
[09:13] <membreya> flammenbringer: http://europeanhistory.about.com/cs/germany/a/Otherreichs_2.htm
[09:13] <membreya> :)
[09:13] <flammenbringer> noone likes software patents
[09:13] <membreya> damn germans being in denial :P
[09:13] <stephane> so we'll have a 99% of no
[09:13] <membreya> lol smouche :P
[09:13] <stephane> 1% is chirac and it's family
[09:14] <flammenbringer> membreya: no denial, but an empire needs an emperor for becoming an empire
[09:14] <stephane> that's true
[09:14] <membreya> flammenbringer: read the link :P
[09:14] <smouche> "just don't mention the war.  I did once, but I think I got away with it." - Fawlty Towers
[09:14] <membreya> i believe he self appointed it third reich ;)
[09:14] <flammenbringer> membreya: not yet
[09:14] <flammenbringer> he did
[09:15] <membreya> im only german 4 generations back :) surname of Weisse
[09:15] <smouche> this debate may last a thousand years...
[09:15] <membreya> yet strangely one of my great uncles was a PoW ....escaped too :)
[09:15] <flammenbringer> smouche: nope, will only last until the next huge genocide
[09:15] <flammenbringer> the us government is already on its way ;)
[09:15] <membreya> flammenbringer: africa and the middle east have that covered for now :P
[09:15] <smouche> We Americans don't need an emperor to have an empire.  just a village idiot.
[09:16] <membreya> lol smouche :P
[09:16] <stephane> they have done a good job
[09:16] <flammenbringer> lol
[09:16] <stephane> lol smouche
[09:16] <stephane> anyone can be emperor
[09:17] <flammenbringer> membreya: i only read "Indeed, it is highly debatable at what point, if ever, the Holy Roman Empire became a German body" and had enough
[09:17] <smouche> wait till we get Governor Ratzenneggar in office, then we're gonna pump you up, you girly men!
[09:17] <stephane> i declare myself emperor of france
[09:17] <stephane> let's obey
[09:17] <stephane> :D
[09:17] <flammenbringer> this site says "Your Guide to European History."?!
[09:18] <membreya> stephane: ....if that's the case then you can no longer talk to us american and australian infidels ;)
[09:18] <stephane> only to village idiot
[09:18] <stephane> i will do my best because you are against software patent :D
[09:18] <stephane> i'll be the GPL emperor
[09:19] <flammenbringer> veto from bayern!
[09:19] <membreya> i hereby declare myself emperor of my underwear..anyone wanna contend that? :P
[09:19] <smouche> actually, no.
[09:19] <stephane> then the empire will have to envade bayern
[09:19] <flammenbringer> veto against potential vetos
[09:19] <stephane> Ultra veto against veto
[09:19] <membreya> didnt think I would have any competition smouche :P
[09:20] <flammenbringer> oh no, we wil first cooperate, then backstab you later ;)
[09:20] <stephane> that's an option
[09:20] <flammenbringer> we are experienced in that field :D
[09:20] <stephane> lol
[09:20] <stephane> ok guys
[09:20] <stephane> i need to go
[09:20] <stephane> 10 in the morning time to go and buy my bread LOL
[09:21] <smouche> I am so glad you french and germans get along.  Hell, we only invaded Canada once, and they hate us.
[09:21] <membreya> bonsior stephane !
[09:21] <smouche> stephane, have a good one!
[09:21] <membreya> smouche: ..everyone hates you
[09:21] <stephane> have a nice day/night everyone..... 
[09:22] <flammenbringer> membreya: by the way, the article you posted is completely rubbish
[09:22] <membreya> flammenbringer: yes but it was the first link I could find :P
[09:22] <flammenbringer> no problem
[09:22] <smouche> made you click!
[09:22] <flammenbringer> i really read 2 paragraphs
[09:22] <abinadid> anybody i s runnin nero ??
[09:22] <flammenbringer> what for?
[09:23] <flammenbringer> k3b is better
[09:23] <abinadid> just wondering 
[09:23] <abinadid> i just installed on my computer
[09:23] <abinadid> have you tried nero???
[09:24] <flammenbringer> the windows version years ago, yes
[09:24] <flammenbringer> ;)
[09:24] <abinadid> linux version
[09:25] <flammenbringer> i don't have nero 6 reloaded
[09:25] <flammenbringer> so i'd need to buy it
[09:25] <abinadid> you can get it in the usual places
[09:26] <abinadid> can i say that in here???? don't want to get in trouble
[09:26] <flammenbringer> well, isn't it suspicious if 2 million linux user share one windows nero copy?
[09:27] <abinadid> 2 million people is sharing the same serial number of windows and that is more secure
[09:28] <abinadid> that is the reason wsy a changed to linux
[09:29] <flammenbringer> well, my change had other reasons
[09:29] <abinadid> http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
[09:29] <abinadid> check for your self
[09:29] <membreya> i prefer k3b none-the-less :)
[09:30] <abinadid> i'm not a linux guru so if k3b is better i use k3b  : )
[09:30] <flammenbringer> i will, am asking astalavista for a key atm
[09:31] <abinadid> i got one if you want
[09:32] <abinadid> nut i will follow you advise  i just want the best and i trust you all
[09:33] <flammenbringer> sure, hand it over
[09:39] <abinadid> send me you e-mail 
[09:45] <flammenbringer> well, astalavista has lots of defunct serial here. i guess a lot of people have registered lately ;)
[10:26] <_ReDRuM_> good dvd player under kubuntu?
[10:27] <_ReDRuM_> they all keep practically hanging my system
[10:31] <xxenon> xine
[10:33] <jacquesmerde> hey, am using the kubuntu livecd to check out kde. any kde fans able to tell me how to find the kde goodness?
[10:34] <pvh> How can I watch the video-in on my video card?
[10:35] <BlackLabel> is there a mythtv package i can apt-get?
[10:38] <CellarDoor> oooh has anyone seen the nice new eyecandy stuff comming to kde & gnome ?
[10:39] <pvh> ?
[10:39] <CellarDoor> well, actually its more X
[10:39] <pvh> ...
[10:39] <pvh> !
[10:39] <pvh> (I feel like a Final Fantasy III character.)
[10:39] <pvh> Spoony bard.
[10:39] <CellarDoor> the kewl "wobbly windows" stuff and kewl looking desktop switching
[10:40] <CellarDoor> has more graphicy kewlness than OSX I reckon
[10:40] <CellarDoor> :D
[10:41] <membreya> CellarDoor: .....where where where? :D
[10:41] <CellarDoor> umm just a sec
[10:42] <CellarDoor> ah found it
[10:42] <CellarDoor> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[10:43] <CellarDoor> :D
[10:43] <CellarDoor> its gnome, but kde is getting same kinda stuff cause its functionality that X is getting
[10:45] <CellarDoor> waddaya think membreya ?
[10:47] <membreya> VERY cool :D
[10:47] <membreya> when when when when!
[10:47] <CellarDoor> I read that gnome would be implementing this stuff in the next version due out sept-nov, KDE similar timeframe
[10:48] <CellarDoor> I likes the wobbly windows :P
[10:52] <CellarDoor> by the end of the year (possibly early next year at the latest) OSX, KDE & gnome will be da bomb in current desktop kewlness (Longhorn it's rumored is delayed yet again)
[10:54] <CellarDoor> all da *nixes will have the kewlest desktops out there in the wild long before M$ deliver anything at all. (booyah)
[11:11] <itay> hi!
[11:11] <itay> I installed kubuntu and I have a few questions
[11:12] <itay> I am not sure, but when I install ubuntu 5.04 preview, I had more programs installed than now in kubuntu 5.04. Does ubuntu have more programs or not?
[11:13] <flammenbringer> itay: you can install whatever you miss via apt-get
[11:14] <itay> but I don't have sources, how do I add?
[11:14] <ice_1963> can i get a firewall for kubuntu ???=)
[11:14] <flammenbringer> vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:14] <ice_1963> like gnome
[11:14] <flammenbringer> apt-get install guarddog ice_1963 
[11:15] <ice_1963> is that a good one
[11:15] <itay> what should I uncomment, all?
[11:15] <flammenbringer> itay: uncomment the universe lines
[11:15] <flammenbringer> and the multiverse lines
[11:16] <itay> what about the first ones? why not the uncomment them?
[11:17] <flammenbringer> what first ones?
[11:17] <flammenbringer> just uncomment all lines that have a deb after the #
[11:17] <flammenbringer> and make an apt-get update
[11:18] <itay> so to not uncomment "#deb-src"?
[11:18] <flammenbringer> uncomment all
[11:19] <flammenbringer> there's a deb too, isn't there? ;)
[11:19] <itay> hh....
[11:19] <itay> thanks
[11:19] <itay> and another thing...
[11:20] <itay> I want to konsole the complete command when I press tab
[11:20] <itay> even after "sudo"
[11:20] <itay> what should I do?
[11:21] <itay> nobody knows?
[11:22] <itay> ok, another thing
[11:22] <itay> I chose my language when I install kubuntu
[11:22] <itay> and I want to konsole to be in english, what can I do?
[11:26] <_tek> hello everyone, hows it hanging
[11:26] <_tek> hey kail how ya doing
[11:27] <_tek> whoops gotta go burning the kitchen down.... L8tr
[11:27] <malte> :O
[11:50] <Alfred1881> hey , can anyone help me , i 'd like to disable this function see http://my.opera.com/forums/attachment.php?s=64b9f6756b7ca3852cab7ea7b43b6459&postid=893458
[11:52] <malte> aw, why would you want to do that? it's cool
[11:52] <Alfred1881> irritating
[11:53] <malte> i think you can disable it by right-clicking on the panel, "customize panel" (or similar, i have it in swedish here) 
[11:54] <malte> it's there somewhere
[12:00] <flammenbringer> open kcontrol & go to desktop-control panels and uncheck the left box
[12:02] <flammenbringer> oh, i forgot, those boxes are in the appearance panel
[12:17] <itay> hi!
[12:17] <itay> How can I enter KDE at boot without user/pass windows?
[12:17] <itay> window*
[12:18] <BlackLabel> yes
[12:18] <itay> what?
[12:18] <BlackLabel> just set it to automatically login with ur user account and password
[12:18] <itay> how do I set it?
[12:19] <flammenbringer> can be enabled in kcontrol
[12:20] <flammenbringer> but why would one want to disable this?!
[12:21] <BlackLabel> maybe he is the only user of the computer
[12:23] <itay> yes, BlackLabel is right
[12:23] <flammenbringer> so? if his girlfriends comes along she'll know all details about his affairs w/out a problem
[12:23] <BlackLabel> whatever
[12:31] <BlackLabel> why would he have *his affairs* on his computer?
[12:45] <_sandro> sandro
[12:46] <buz> maybe not affairs, but pr0n as well
[12:46] <buz> anyway its bad style not to set passwords
[01:10] <itay> hi!
[01:11] <itay> Kde doesn't know about my CDs
[01:11] <itay> when I add "storage media" to the panel, I see only the floppy.
[01:11] <itay> what can I do?
[01:13] <carambol> how u put Opera in the Kmenu?
[01:13] <incubii> what happens when you put a CD in
[01:13] <verden01> Hi
[01:14] <itay> carambol, it shows it
[01:14] <itay> but don't mount
[01:14] <itay> can I do auto mount?
[01:14] <verden01> has anyone tried to install vmware?
[01:15] <carambol> itay...no entry in Internet
[01:15] <BlackLabel> hey verden01
[01:15] <itay> what?
[01:16] <buz> for me, the storage media button doesnt appear. on the up arrow and that one simply gets me the config menu for storage media
[01:16] <buz> no actual medias
[01:16] <verden01> hey BlackLabel 
[01:16] <BlackLabel> verden01: whats up
[01:16] <incubii> i just added the storage media applet and my ipod shares show up fine
[01:16] <incubii> so do CD/DVD when i put them in
[01:16] <buz> mhh i dont even get to see the icon
[01:16] <buz> damnit
[01:16] <verden01> been trying to install vmware with no success
[01:17] <verden01> BlackLabel, u
[01:18] <carambol> plz..how to make a entry of opera in kmenu??
[01:18] <carambol> after insall its not in the menu
[01:19] <incubii> restart X and see if it is there
[01:19] <carambol> ok
[01:20] <incubii> didnt think hed actually do it
[01:20] <incubii> lol
[01:20] <buz> maybe he needs to add the icon himself
[01:20] <buz> its not that hard after all
[01:21] <incubii> you can with the menu editor but i found sometimes the icon has been installed but KDE wont update till after its restarted
[01:31] <incubii> he never came back :))
[01:31] <malte> :>
[01:37] <SuperCatFrog> hi all
[01:44] <linkin> hello :)
[01:45] <linkin> I've a problem...
[01:45] <linkin> if i want configure a KDE-Package (klibido) he sends me out the following error:
[01:45] <linkin> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure
[01:45] <linkin> can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find
[01:45] <linkin> them either.
[01:45] <linkin> but i've installed libxext6 on kubuntu?...
[01:46] <linkin> on the line, hes checking X he sends the following out:
[01:46] <linkin> checking for X... libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/include
[01:46] <linkin> so I've tried this command:
[01:47] <linkin> ./configure --x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/lib --x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include
[01:47] <linkin> but he sends me the same error out...
[01:47] <linkin> so someone knew, what i have to do?
[01:48] <linkin> -so +did
[01:50] <verden01> anyone install wine in kubuntu
[01:53] <linkin> problem has been sloved ;)
[02:24] <jude> hi
[02:26] <jude> can anyone help me compile a kde app on kubuntu? I get qt error
[02:29] <SuperCatFrog> jude - try this:
[02:29] <SuperCatFrog> ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[02:29] <SuperCatFrog> note that the ` is not a ' or a ", and it will not work unless its a `
[02:30] <jude> SuperCatFrog: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[02:30] <jude> I get that no matter what i do :/
[02:30] <jude> apt tels me I have the libs & headers installed
[02:31] <buz> mhh mplayer pre7
[02:31] <SuperCatFrog> what app is it?
[02:31] <buz> lets hope someone builds packages that actually work on ubuntu
[02:32] <jude> SuperCatFrog: it doesn't really matter, I've tried a few, all generate the same error
[02:32] <jude> I can't compile a damn thing :(
[02:32] <ZenDark> did you try apt-get reinstall libqt3-dev???
[02:32] <jude> ZenDark: nope, but I'm about to...
[02:32] <jude> apt-get reinstall libqt3-dev
[02:32] <jude> esher: Invalid operation reinstall
[02:33] <ZenDark> agt-get remove libqt3-dev
[02:33] <SuperCatFrog> does anybody know where i can get kdebindings (or just ruby-qt) from? i dont wanna compile from source because i want upgrading to be just a apt-get dist-upgrade (i haven't even customised the kernel)
[02:33] <ZenDark> apt-get install libqt3-dev
[02:34] <jude> whoah!
[02:34] <jude> Preconfiguring packages ...
[02:34] <jude> (Reading database ... 77945 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:34] <jude> Removing kde-devel ...
[02:34] <jude> Removing kdebase-dev ...
[02:34] <jude> Removing kdesdk ...
[02:34] <jude> Removing kspy ...
[02:34] <jude> Removing libkonq4-dev ...
[02:34] <uniq> jude: apt-get install kdebase-dev 
[02:34] <jude> Removing kdelibs4-dev ...
[02:34] <jude> Removing libarts1-dev ...
[02:34] <jude> Removing libqt3-mt-dev ...
[02:35] <uniq> you had everything.
[02:35] <jude> uniq: the damn qt3 only just removed it :/
[02:35] <uniq> sure.. it's because it depends on it.
[02:35] <uniq> kdebase-dev installs everything you need to compile most kde apps.
[02:36] <uniq> just make sure to set the prefix to /usr
[02:36] <uniq>  ./configure --prefix=/usr
[02:36] <jude> I was...
[02:37] <ZenDark> jude: did you reinstall it???
[02:37] <jude> yeah
[02:37] <ZenDark> try after you reinstall it
[02:37] <ZenDark> i have the same problem
[02:37] <ZenDark> only that i had a corrupted deb :o)
[02:37] <jude> no joy - even if I install libqt3-compat-headers
[02:38] <jude> still the same error - can't find qt
[02:38] <uniq> what do you do, and what is it you're trying to compile? 
[02:38] <jude> [jude @ fatbus]   ~/fireapplet-0.1
[02:38] <jude> $ ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[02:38] <jude> it's a kicker applet to make a cpu monitor
[02:39] <sorin> Some of these widgets are too bloody fat.
[02:39] <uniq> drop the `kde-config --prefix` stuff.. not needed.. /usr is better.
[02:39] <uniq> imho.
[02:39] <ZenDark> like kcpuload???
[02:40] <jude> kind of yeah
[02:40] <jude> uniq: same result
[02:41] <jude> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[02:42] <jude> I was starting to really like kubuntu, but if I am unable to compile stuff i may have to abandon it - this isn't even a compex app :/
[02:44] <uniq> if you just hang on for a few min.. and i'll try to compile fireapplet in a hoary chroot.
[02:44] <jude> cheers
[02:44] <\sh> jude: well...I'm able to compile
[02:44] <\sh> jude: whats the problem
[02:45] <SuperCatFrog> i think ive broke my sources.list - does anybody know where i can download the original from?
[02:45] <jude> it can't find my qt
[02:45] <jude> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[02:46] <\sh> jude: libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, kdelibs4-dev, kdebase-dev
[02:46] <\sh> everything you need
[02:46] <\sh> well, libx11-dev 
[02:46] <jude> how do I query what I have installed?
[02:46] <\sh> but this in the deps of kdelibs and stuff
[02:46] <\sh> dpkg -l | less
[02:47] <SuperCatFrog> can somebody send me their working sources.list (paste it on rafb.net/paste) please
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> what have yo dont to yours?
[02:47] <\sh> SuperCatFrog: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[02:48] <jude> \sh: i have all of those installed
[02:48] <\sh> de http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main universe multiverse restricted
[02:49] <\sh> jude: which source package?
[02:49] <uniq> jude: ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3/
[02:49] <uniq> does it.
[02:50] <jude> uniq: same error
[02:50] <uniq> well.. do you have kdebase-dev installed? 
[02:50] <jude> this is an almost-vanilla kubuntu too - just a few apps installed via apt-get
[02:50] <jude> ii  kdebase        3.4.0-0ubuntu1 KDE Base metapackage
[02:50] <jude> ii  kdebase-bin    3.4.0-0ubuntu1 KDE Base (binaries)
[02:50] <jude> ii  kdebase-data   3.4.0-0ubuntu1 KDE Base (shared data)
[02:50] <jude> ii  kdebase-dev    3.4.0-0ubuntu1 KDE Base (development files)
[02:50] <jude> ii  kdebase-kio-pl 3.4.0-0ubuntu1 KDE I/O Slaves
[02:50] <uniq> I installed kdebase-dev from a clean hoary chroot..
[02:51] <jude> most annoying
[02:51] <uniq> which qt packages are installed on your system? 
[02:52] <jude> $ dpkg -l | less|grep qt
[02:52] <jude> ii  dbus-qt-1      0.23.4-0ubuntu simple interprocess messaging system (Qt-bas
[02:52] <jude> ii  libqt3-headers 3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 header files
[02:52] <jude> ii  libqt3-mt-dev  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt development files (Threaded)
[02:52] <jude> ii  libqt3c102     3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library, Version 3
[02:52] <jude> ii  libqt3c102-mt  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), V
[02:52] <jude> ii  pinentry-qt    0.7.1-5        Qt-based PIN or pass-phrase entry dialog for
[02:52] <jude> ii  qt3-designer   3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 Designer
[02:52] <jude> ii  qt3-dev-tools  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 development tools
[02:53] <uniq> should be more than enought.
[02:53] <jude> something odd in paths somewhere maybe?
[02:54] <uniq> nah.. shouldn't matter.
[02:55] <SuperCatFrog> thanks \sh
[02:59] <jude> I'm going to have to abandon this quest for now, other things to do
[02:59] <jude> thanks for all the advice guys, I'll see you later
[03:02] <\sh> well, what upstream package he was talking about? i could try it
[03:03] <uniq> fireapplet.
[03:03] <uniq> http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/fireapplet/
[03:03] <uniq> I tried.. and it worked with --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3/
[03:03] <uniq> but it didn't for him.. apparently
[03:09] <Plexys> hi, i'm currently using gnome but i'm considering switching to kde, but what's so good about it?
[03:09] <incubii> does gnome do everything you want ?
[03:10] <Plexys> not really, it doesn't let me edit the menu :/
[03:10] <Plexys> but i like it for it's stability, is kde the same?
[03:11] <incubii> i find KDE much nicer but im biased due to liking KDE.
[03:11] <\sh> uniq: well, old package, qt-3.0.3 is too old...and I think the admin/ dir is old as well
[03:11] <incubii> its still very stable on most systems
[03:11] <Plexys> is kde or gnome more popular?
[03:12] <uniq> \sh: sure.. bit it compiled for me.. anyway.. haven't tried it yet though.
[03:13] <\sh> uniq: he didn't have the patience ;)
[03:15] <uniq> I figured :)
[03:16] <\sh> well...i hope i killed now all lintian check errors for kliido
[03:16] <\sh> klibido even
[03:31] <vanQ> Hello. May I ask a few questions?
[03:32] <vanQ> Alright... The questions go as follows :   Why choose Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu and why choose KDE instead of Gnome? -I know nothing of the Linux graphical interfaces, so I'd be delighted if someone would point out a few factors
[03:33] <psn_laptop> vanQ: if you like to have full control and integration choose kde else gnome
[03:40] <SuperCatFrog> vanQ - your probably best downloading unbuntu, then doing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:40] <SuperCatFrog> then you can have both in ubuntu and you can choose the one you like best
[03:40] <SuperCatFrog> (or the other way round - kubuntu + ubuntu-desktop)
[03:46] <mkulke> i removed my klaptopdaemon by accident from the system tray
[03:46] <mkulke> how can i put it there again?
[03:47] <uniq> control center - power - show.. 
[03:50] <lexhider> trying to manually build kde3.4 and it keeps failing with "internal compiler error: seg fault", any ideas???
[03:51] <mkulke> uniq: thanks, do you have any idea wether i can enable apm in hoary or not?
[03:51] <uniq> apt-get install apmd 
[03:51] <uniq> Don't know, but i guess the default kernel got support for apm.
[03:52] <mkulke> it says otherwise
[03:52] <mkulke> :/
[03:52] <mkulke> No APM support in kernel
[03:52] <uniq> ok, tried modprobing modules manually? 
[03:52] <uniq> modprobe apm
[03:52] <uniq> or something.
[03:53] <\sh> anybody who has tried out amarok with a basic auth secured icecast stream?
[03:53] <mkulke> uniq, FATAL: "Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device"
[03:53] <uniq> hum.
[03:54] <uniq> do you have acpi support? 
[03:55] <mkulke> i modified the grub/menu.lst in this way "# kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro apm=on", maybe it'll help
[03:55] <mkulke> no not really
[03:55] <mkulke> it's a quite old laptop
[03:55] <mkulke> p3
[03:55] <mkulke> i definitly have apm tho, i had suse installed on this machine before, and it worked
[03:55] <Unipal> I am looking for a good alternative for midnight commander or Total commander. does somebody know a solution?
[03:56] <uniq> unipal: for X or console? 
[03:56] <Unipal> For X. For console I use MC
[03:56] <uniq> krusader is OK.
[03:57] <uniq> gentoo (not the linux distro, the filemanager) is good.
[03:57] <Unipal> is gentoo also a filemanager?
[03:58] <uniq> yes.
[03:58] <Unipal> whre can I see it?
[03:58] <uniq> you can install it.. 
[03:58] <uniq> the package is named 'gentoo'
[03:58] <uniq> it's in universe.
[03:59] <Unipal> I'm installing it right now....
[04:02] <Unipal> It works, lets play with it :) THX!
[04:07] <F_for_Fragging> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2005-April/000436.html -> does anyone here know a solution for this problem?
[04:07] <MasterC> hi
[04:08] <MasterC> i have problems installing kubuntu
[04:20] <jsubl2> anyone know the secret to getting cdrdao on the 64bit side
[04:34] <Zizzencs> hi! i have some trouble with kdm. all i want to do is to set a plain black background, but i have no success :/
[04:35] <Zizzencs> i tried to set up in control center.
[04:35] <Zizzencs> any can help me why it won't work?
[04:36] <mainer> that's the crrect way,i had to uninstall KUbuntu after it crashed on me 4x,i got tired of it,and installed ubuntu
[04:36] <mainer> correct
[04:37] <mainer> but i tryed adding kde stuff from archives,not stock install,but fom official repositorys
[04:38] <mainer> could have been something i did,but kde 3.4 is a little buggy,i think...later
[04:49] <spiral> hi
[04:49] <spiral> any new about a final DVD of hoary ?
[05:01] <darkaudit> hmm... error connecting to pool.ntp.org :(
[05:11] <Zizzencs> darkaudit: most probably you have no network or have a misconfigured dns
[05:18] <darkaudit> Zizzencs: looking @ ubuntuforums... may be a bug in ntpdate... either that or GNOME Time Admin wants to take over
[05:28] <Alfred1881> hey all , i'm switching from mandriva to kubuntu, do you have good tuts voor noobs
[05:29] <buz> ubuntuguide.org and the wiki is helpful
[05:29] <Alfred1881> thx
[05:29] <buz> all in all you should feel at home
[05:29] <buz> there's no drakconf and no yum tho
[05:30] <buz> as for package management i recommend sticking to synaptic 
[05:30] <Alfred1881> k 
[05:30] <smouche> Alfred1881, this channel often has useful tips, and #ubuntu also -- although that's usually gnome oriented
[05:30] <Alfred1881> i'll remember
[05:32] <Alfred1881> does it have a fast engine 
[05:39] <amiroff> has anyone looked at implementing this into kubuntu? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22605
[05:54] <Tontonto> hi guys
[05:56] <Tontonto> i got kubuntu live cd but i need some tips
[05:57] <amiroff> Tontonto: what kind of? :)
[05:57] <Tontonto> how to install live cd on hard drive and adsl connection
[05:57] <amiroff> as far as I know you cannot install from live cd
[05:58] <amiroff> you have to get install cd for that
[05:58] <Choubaka> hm
[05:58] <amiroff> Tontonto: where did you see any hints that live cd is installable?
[05:58] <whiskey_1> is crimson here today
[05:59] <Tontonto> man i should download install cd version
[05:59] <Choubaka> amiroff: knoppix can do that.
[05:59] <Choubaka> And mhm
[05:59] <whiskey_1> amiroff, the live CD is used for tools like parted and partimage and pcopy
[05:59] <Choubaka> I'm sure it's doable with the Ubuntu liveCD.
[05:59] <Tontonto> i was afraid of this possibility now it confirms
[05:59] <Choubaka> Definitely as long as Ubuntu liveCD contains debootstrap
[05:59] <amiroff> Choubaka: yeah, that might be quite instalalble, but that is not supported you nkow
[06:00] <whiskey_1> has anybody seen crimson today
[06:00] <amiroff> Tontonto: why don't you get install cd if you want it on your HD?
[06:00] <Tontonto> ok that's undertood
[06:00] <whiskey_1> i wanted to know what he found out about etc-update or env-update or whatever
[06:01] <Tontonto> i will get kubuntu install cd version
[06:01] <Tontonto> very disappointed
[06:02] <whiskey_1> well gentoo has a live cd called system rescue cd over at the partimage website....but the thing won't boot because it assumes you have a RAID setup
[06:02] <Tontonto> and how to confugure adsl running kubuntu from live cd- 2nd question - last one
[06:02] <amiroff> Tontonto: you have adsl modem with ethernet connection?
[06:03] <amiroff> the live cd should autodetect ip settings from dhcp
[06:03] <Tontonto> yes i am conncted by kanotix adsl 
[06:03] <amiroff> if you use ethernet card to connect to your modem no seetings needed
[06:04] <Tontonto> are you sure?
[06:04] <amiroff> wait a min, do you mean being able to surf from livecd?
[06:04] <Tontonto> yes yes
[06:05] <amiroff> ok, then, boot from livecd and open konqueror and visit some web site, or ping some ips
[06:05] <amiroff> livecds are very good at detecting automatic dhcp settings nowadays
[06:06] <amiroff> I am assuming you modem is properly configured here from its web interface
[06:06] <Tontonto> ok i see but i only wanted a simple way to confugure my sever setting and surf
[06:07] <Tontonto> most of live cds contains this script...adsl ppoe configuration as Kanotix and many more
[06:07] <amiroff> which server?
[06:07] <Tontonto> my internet provider
[06:08] <amiroff> I see, what do you generally do on other distros to get online?
[06:09] <amiroff> I have adsl here and I never had to do some ISP coonfiguration before
[06:10] <Tontonto> generally - click on adsl ppoe configuration. and comes up a script to configure
[06:10] <Tontonto> others on console adsl-set
[06:11] <whiskey_1> Tontonto, but  the live CD is for tools like partimage, pcopy, e2defrag, fsck, memtest, and all the rest
[06:11] <whiskey_1> Tontonto, it is for tools that should be run on inactive partitions
[06:11] <amiroff> strange, I wonder what those ppp tools have to do with an adsl
[06:12] <whiskey_1> amiroff, well there are some live CDs meant as sampling of Linux without installing
[06:12] <whiskey_1> amiroff, but the main purpose of a live CD is for the tools
[06:13] <amiroff> whiskey_1: sure, for trying out linux, hardware support, and recovering windows
[06:13] <amiroff> if you have a usb thumb drive you can even save your settings on some live cds
[06:13] <Tontonto> ok i will get kubuntu install cd iso
[06:14] <Tontonto> i untertand what you mean
[06:14] <Tontonto> so another question
[06:14] <whiskey_1> amiroff, why recovering windows...why not e2defagging linux or resizing partitions or copying partitions or running memory tests or blanking hard drives,etc
[06:15] <Tontonto> 619mg - kde 3.4 - i found no e-mail client,  firefox 
[06:15] <whiskey_1> amiroff, if MS wants people to recover windows...they will sell them their own software at outrageous prices as usual
[06:16] <amiroff> hehe
[06:16] <Tontonto> few programs
[06:16] <Tontonto> 619 mg
[06:16] <amiroff> well, I still need my programs on windows
[06:17] <Tontonto> no kiddin' please
[06:19] <Tontonto> i want to say  where did you spent 619mg spcace
[06:19] <whiskey_1> Tontonto, kde has an email client called kmail...it is very nice and even brings in all the html stuff
[06:19] <whiskey_1> Tontonto, but you have to configure it
[06:19] <amiroff> Tontonto: what 619 megs?
[06:20] <Tontonto> the iso size 
[06:20] <amiroff> so?
[06:21] <Tontonto> so ...it could apllys more programs
[06:21] <Tontonto> ok fellows...kubuntu is very beautiful..really 
[06:22] <amiroff> this is only the first release
[06:22] <Tontonto> i enjoy the design and final art, hardware detection ..more and more
[06:22] <amiroff> and it needs developers
[06:22] <Tontonto> not me..lol
[06:23] <amiroff> the ubuntu base is very solid, just some kde packagers and patchers maybe
[06:23] <whiskey_1> amiroff, yes...kde has some very nice themes for  kde....karamba is nice and i was experimenting with superkaramba on gentoo...but i could not find many themes for that
[06:23] <amiroff> whiskey_1: I for one think that Gnome themese are more professional looking than kde ones
[06:23] <amiroff> but again, kde is much faster and more responsive
[06:23] <whiskey_1> amiroff, well gnome is of a much simpler nature.
[06:24] <amiroff> so being past gnome contributor I now use kde
[06:24] <amiroff> but we really need a simple theme without all those frame borders, so annoying
[06:25] <Tontonto> i prefer kde than gnome but i may recognise Ubuntu's gnome is really BELEZA
[06:25] <whiskey_1> amiroff, well some people like kde because  they only have to learn qt programming.....but some like gnome because they get to learn gtk1 gtk2, gtkmm, bonobomm, libglade, guile, and hundreds of other stuff
[06:26] <Tontonto> ok thank you guys ...
[06:26] <amiroff> Tontonto: if not for KDE's speed and GNome's slowness I would be definitely running gnome right now, but guess what, speed is the most important for me, look comes next
[06:26] <Tontonto> see you next time.
[06:26] <amiroff> later
[06:27] <Tontonto> the sun isn't shining here.
[06:27] <Tontonto> yes, bye bye
[06:47] <regeya> oh my, I missed a potential kde/gnome argument...and I have these special olympics medals here going to waste
[06:48] <amiroff> regeya: go on, I am still here :)
[06:48] <whiskey_1> regeya, no..there was no argument...we were just discussing the relative merits of each system
[06:48] <amiroff> yeah
[06:49] <whiskey_1> regeya, like the fact that gnome users must learn hundreds of interrelated libraries whereas kde users only need to learn qt basically
[06:49] <regeya> both are great.  both suck.  meh.
[06:49] <regeya> pi is exactly 3.
[06:50] <regeya> whiskey_1: for that comment, I award you the gold medal
[06:50] <regeya> to use windows I don't have to learn about the whole slew of dlls floating about
[06:51] <regeya> the real joy of a system such as ubuntu and kubuntu is that someone else worries about the dll hell, not the user. :-)
[06:51] <whiskey_1> regeya, thanks but i don't have time to mess with it ....my hands are full of problems with bakery, libgdamm, libbonobouimm, libgtkmm, and several others
[06:51] <whiskey_1> regeya, i just can't get glom to connect with a new database
[06:51] <regeya> kde has a number of dependencies as well, so it's a lousy argument
[06:51] <whiskey_1> regeya, not really...for the most part all the kdelibs sit on qt
[06:52] <whiskey_1> regeya, with the exception of some hardware stuff like alsa and what not
[06:52] <regeya> and they all rely on libc, so you only have to worry about one...I win!
[06:52] <whiskey_1> regeya, well ok...have it your way
[06:53] <regeya> all I'm saying is that saying "nearly everything in kde relies on qt so that's only one dependency so yay" is, well, I'm supposed to be polite so nevermind
[06:54] <regeya> 'Glom uses the PostgreSQL database backend but it can not edit databases that it did not create, because it uses only a simple subset of Postgres functionality.'
[06:54] <regeya> SOUNDS GREAT
[06:57] <closure> anybody having issues where kde entirely crashes
[07:01] <smouche> closure, no, but I've had virtual desktops freeze -- where I couldn't close apps normally, but I could still ^tab to another desktop and fix stuff
[07:02] <smouche> and my cpu get's stuck, that's about the worst I've had
[07:03] <regeya> !
[07:03] <closure> souche weird, mine crashes goes to a console login then reloads kdm
[07:05] <F_for_Fragging> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2005-April/000436.html -> does anyone here know a solution for this problem?
[07:06] <whiskey_1> man it is taking forever to download t2...but it seems worth taking a look at
[07:08] <whiskey_1> i just dont' know where i am going to find another hard drive for t2
[07:08] <whiskey_1> maybe i can make space on my win98 machine
[07:09] <smouche> what's t2?
[07:09] <whiskey_1> smouche, well i better not say right now...until i examine it
[07:09] <smouche> alrighty then
[07:10] <closure> F_for_Fragging, i downloaded Xine
[07:10] <closure> F_for_Fragging, xine even and it works brilliantyly
[07:10] <closure> brilliantly
[07:10] <closure> no problems
[07:11] <closure> the other apps suck 
[07:11] <smouche> yeah, closure, F_for_Fragging -- I was going to suggest xine-ui
[07:11] <smouche> not sure, but I think that brings in some codecs with it...?
[07:11] <smouche> as opposed to just the xine engine that kaffeine etc use...
[07:11] <smouche> but I really don't know
[07:12] <smouche> I like kaffeine, but it throttles up my cpu and won't let go!
[07:13] <smouche> when I hear my fan, I know kaffeine was running...
[07:13] <F_for_Fragging> i have no problems with kaffeine, only the w32codecs....
[07:14] <F_for_Fragging> I downloaded the w32codecs from the marillat repository, i checked that they are all in place at /usr/lib/win32
[07:14] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, you guys are lucky you get to use the w32codecs....we can't use them in the US
[07:15] <F_for_Fragging> the xine config tool in kaffeine is also configured to look in that directory, but it won't work
[07:15] <F_for_Fragging> you can't use them in the US?
[07:15] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, only if we buy windows
[07:15] <F_for_Fragging> you mean Americans can't acess that repository?
[07:16] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging...not without legal risks
[07:16] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, but i did get them for my win98 and i do have mplayer running on win98 and it works...but uh no graphical interface at this time
[07:17] <F_for_Fragging> I doubt that the police will fall in your house to check your PC to see if you have those codecs installed on it
[07:18] <smouche> this is weird -- there's no "kmplayer" in universe?
[07:18] <smouche> well, I've got "kplayer" -- is that it?
[07:18] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, well....the ISPs are turning over all download info to the authorities....and if they suspect you are downloading w32codecs for linux...you could be in trouble
[07:18] <smouche> ah, yes it is...
[07:19] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, you see they have packet sniffers and know everything that is going on
[07:19] <F_for_Fragging> ah, i understand
[07:19] <F_for_Fragging> I'm glad that I'm living in Europe then
[07:20] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, yes right now you are lucky....one Hungarian told me.."We don't like non-free software...we shot MS down"
[07:20] <F_for_Fragging> no offense meant, but the only things which are cool about the USA is that you guys have HDTV and very low VAT
[07:20] <smouche> dude, please.
[07:21] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, well we can't afford $5000 plasma screens to watch HDTV
[07:21] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, so it is irrelevant....and i don't know what VAT is
[07:21] <smouche> value added tax
[07:21] <F_for_Fragging> Value Added Tax
[07:21] <smouche> that too
[07:21] <F_for_Fragging> in my country, The Netherlands, we have 19% VAT
[07:21] <smouche> and euthanasia.
[07:22] <F_for_Fragging> yes, the software patents are dangerous, but the European Parliament might block the proposal
[07:22] <pvh> they won't.
[07:22] <F_for_Fragging> I'm glad that we have euthanasia as well
[07:22] <pvh> it would be nice if government helped the People
[07:22] <pvh> but the system is being gamed too effectively
[07:23] <smouche> patents on entire life forms worry me more, and Europe hasn't been any more innocent in that stuff than the us
[07:23] <F_for_Fragging> why suffer if your a terminally ill patient for example? I don't see what's wrong with euthanasia
[07:25] <smouche> we're all terminal.  take care that doctors and others are really doing it for the patient, and not for the convenience of society or the family.
[07:25] <pvh> that has nothing to do with euthanasia.
[07:25] <F_for_Fragging> I've always thought that the USA are a bit hypocritical on that issue, they dislike euthanasia, but they do give death penalties...
[07:25] <pvh> yea, no kidding
[07:25] <pvh> F_for_Fragging: I'm Canadian, of Nederlands descent, and I'm glad to say Canada is more like NL every year.
[07:26] <smouche> Not all states, F_for_Fragging - and the trend is moving against it.
[07:26] <F_for_Fragging> pvh: in which way more like NL?
[07:26] <pvh> F_for_Fragging: relatively socially progressive government
[07:27] <F_for_Fragging> smouche, what did you mean with everybody being terminal BTW?
[07:27] <smouche> planning on living forever, F_for_Fragging ?
[07:28] <F_for_Fragging> haha, no
[07:28] <whiskey_1> anyway i was very enthusiastic about getting mplayer working on win98....it is great...but perhaps they could make a gtk interface since we have gtk for win98
[07:29] <F_for_Fragging> pvh: currently it seems to be better that your country doesn't become too similar to NL, we have some muslim fundamentalists murdering people here right now
[07:30] <smouche> F_for_Fragging, we're way off topic- my bad - just was irritated with your overgeneralizing about a very large and diverse nation - 
[07:31] <F_for_Fragging> no problem, it's an interesting discussion talking with Americans... I've only heard about the USA from the tv news here
[07:32] <smouche> visit New York, F_for_Fragging -- you may find some ways in which at least some communities in the US are more "socially progressive" than Europe
[07:32] <F_for_Fragging> I know that that the states of the USA have some autonomy, but isn't it true that for example VAT in the USA is relatively low on the avarega compared to Europe?
[07:32] <whiskey_1> and with linux we have ogg-vorbis and ogg-theora legally so we can listen to music and watch videos....but we have to find the legal files to download
[07:32] <smouche> We don't have a VAT
[07:33] <F_for_Fragging> or no VAT at all, that's also a possibility in some states of the USA, correct?
[07:33] <smouche> we have local sales taxes, which vary greatly
[07:33] <F_for_Fragging> ah
[07:33] <F_for_Fragging> but I assume it's nowhere near 19% hmm?
[07:34] <smouche> no!  Most tax revenues are based on income and property
[07:34] <F_for_Fragging> of course there are people ho might be quite progressive, but image the Bush government is giving is that the USA is a conservative christian nation
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> did someone say VAT?
[07:35] <smouche> Bush was elected by less than half the nation
[07:35] <_ReDRuM_> they're looking at raising that here in england :/ as if 17.5% wasn't enough already
[07:35] <smouche> I mean, less than half the voters!
[07:35] <F_for_Fragging> yes, Value Added Tax, that's what we call it in Europe...
[07:35] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, i hardly think that is true....just google for transvestites and transexuals ....and look at all the freaks and weirdos in the US
[07:35] <smouche> here we go
[07:35] <F_for_Fragging> lol whiskey
[07:36] <F_for_Fragging> yeah, I've studied the election system of the USA a bit some time ago
[07:36] <smouche> whiskey_1, on the other hand seems more fascinated by the erection system.
[07:36] <_ReDRuM_> election system? yeh they had that once, now they have some strange electronic machines instead
[07:37] <F_for_Fragging> if I'm correct the vote of someone in in state A can have more or less "weight" than someone in state B, correct?
[07:37] <smouche> per capita, yes.
[07:37] <F_for_Fragging> quite an old-fashioned election system imo
[07:37] <thomas> can I use WEP with the acx-drivers?
[07:37] <F_for_Fragging> and unfair
[07:37] <whiskey_1> smouche, no...not that...i am just concerned about all these people having to sell their booty to the rich capitalist pigs in order to make a living here
[07:37] <smouche> because of features to prevent small states from getting swamped by larger ones
[07:38] <F_for_Fragging> I've always thought that was strange, I thought the USA was a nation and not a collection of states
[07:38] <smouche> the problem is that national elections are "winner take all" in each state -- a minority vote getter can take the victory
[07:39] <_ReDRuM_> those electric voting machines are a bigger problem
[07:39] <smouche> yeah, they're horrible
[07:39] <_ReDRuM_> suddenly theres much less people making sure everythings on-the-level
[07:40] <F_for_Fragging> it's way different in the Netherlands, we have a system called "equal representation"
[07:40] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, i know one guy from Texas who left the US and went to Netherlands and he never wanted to come back.
[07:40] <smouche> F_for_Fragging, it's really not a fair comparison, given the US is much larger, and was created to begin with as a compromise between state and Federal power
[07:41] <_ReDRuM_> holland is too small for proportional representation tho fragging...
[07:41] <F_for_Fragging> hehe, I thought everybody liked the legal drugs here
[07:41] <_ReDRuM_> everyone does
[07:42] <_ReDRuM_> that and your red light district is why your tourism is always booming
[07:42] <smouche> just don't get too stoned, or they might think you're in a coma, and pull the plug...
[07:42] <F_for_Fragging> haha, you have a good sense of humor ;)
[07:42] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, i mean how would you like it  if you were forced to become a transexual or transvestite just to make a living from these rich capitalist pigs that only want to pay money to screw you in the ass
[07:42] <smouche> you mean it's not the tulips??
[07:43] <F_for_Fragging> whiskey_1: sorry I don't get you
[07:43] <_ReDRuM_> F_for_Fragging: he's a disgruntled communist :)
[07:43] <whiskey_1> F_for_Fragging, well google for transvestite and/or transexual and look what the US people are having to go through
[07:43] <smouche> jesus
[07:43] <F_for_Fragging> but I wonder why the USA is still such a compromise then, and hasn't changed after some 100 years or so?
[07:43] <mukanico> hi all....
[07:44] <F_for_Fragging> with those voting machines you have now proportianal representation should be possible
[07:44] <mukanico> does anyone have problems about ram usage in kuguntu?
[07:44] <_ReDRuM_> those voting machines exist to re-elect bush
[07:44] <crimsun> mukanico: I don't.
[07:44] <smouche> the compromise has its advantages -- with direct representation large states like Texas would have even more power
[07:44] <_ReDRuM_> thats their ownly job
[07:44] <smouche> smaller, more progressive ones like Hawaii or Vermont, they'd be screwed
[07:45] <mukanico> it just that my system runs out of ram all the time ( and i have 512Mb of ram installed)
[07:45] <smouche> personally, I think we need to just do away with "winner take all" , but keep the non-proportional electoral vote system
[07:45] <F_for_Fragging> maybe I understand better now that the population of the USA is much more diverse than I had thought
[07:46] <smouche> mukanico -- I have nt had that problem
[07:46] <F_for_Fragging> we have that in The Netherlands as well, a coalitian government consisting of 2 or three political parties
[07:46] <smouche> I'm amazed how well I'm running on 512
[07:47] <F_for_Fragging> I have 512 MB RAM as well, and Kubuntu is running fine here
[07:47] <mukanico> :S
[07:47] <_ReDRuM_> it runs OK here
[07:47] <_ReDRuM_> it's not gentoo
[07:47] <_ReDRuM_> but it doesnt break like gentoo either
[07:47] <_ReDRuM_> and apt-get install <package> takes a few seconds compared to the hours spent waiting for emerge <package> to finish
[07:47] <F_for_Fragging> I wouldn't expect less though, 256 MB is the minimum now so 512 should do fine
[07:47] <smouche> mukanico -- when you say "runs out of ram" do you mean that the system is showing most of the ram in use, or that apps are actually having problems?
[07:48] <smouche> my ram usage is always high, but performance doesn't seem hurt
[07:48] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: type free into a console
[07:48] <F_for_Fragging> i heard once that it's usual that linux uses all your ram, and that you don't notice bad performance
[07:49] <mukanico> no.. the system is eating all the ram 
[07:49] <_ReDRuM_> the first numbers are your ram usage, the second row is without disk buffers (part of ram just caching file system)
[07:49] <mukanico> and therefor my system is very slow
[07:49] <smouche>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[07:49] <smouche> Mem:        515992     497148      18844          0      26992     280620
[07:49] <smouche> -/+ buffers/cache:     189536     326456
[07:49] <smouche> Swap:      1461872       2824    1459048
[07:49] <_ReDRuM_> F_for_Fragging: it is normal cause linux eats the space for just disk cache and drops it when apps need it
[07:49] <F_for_Fragging> ah, just as i thought
[07:50] <smouche> anyway, I'm running smooth here -- and I could be running a lot more and not notice a difference
[07:50] <_ReDRuM_> see there he is using 300000 just dor disk cache
[07:50] <F_for_Fragging> RAM usage here is nearly 99% as well, but it's running fine
[07:50] <mukanico> i had kde 3.2 on my previous mandrake 10.1 system and i haven't had this problem
[07:50] <smouche> so, it uses a lot, but it manages it very well...?
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: it is using it to cache your disk and speed up disk access, it will drop it the moment its needed for anything else
[07:51] <smouche> I kinda went overboard on my swap, eh?  heh heh
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> bit
[07:51] <_ReDRuM_> Swap:       979956     328904     651052
[07:51] <smouche> well, I'm thinking of adding more ram, so I thought I'd be generous
[07:52] <smouche> sorry, mukanico -- don't know what the problem is on your end
[07:52] <whiskey_1> i downloaded another audio file from that videogamepianist....he can really play a lot of songs
[07:52] <whiskey_1> i wonder how he remembers all the notes to all those songs
[07:53] <smouche> you downloaded an audiophile?  and he can play all those songs?  that's amazing.
[07:53] <_ReDRuM_> www.virtualbartender.beer.com/VB2/
[07:53] <_ReDRuM_> thats amazing
[07:53] <mukanico> ok
[07:53] <mukanico> thanks 
[07:53] <whiskey_1> smouche, that videogamepianist is incredible ....have you seen his video of playing the nintendo favorites blindfolded
[07:54] <smouche> mukanico, my cpu on the other hand goes nuts sometimes
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> smouche: kaffeine always randomly loads and eats mine :/
[07:54] <whiskey_1> smouche, www.videogamepianist.com....just go look around for the free videos and audios
[07:54] <smouche> yes, me too _RedRum_!
[07:55] <regeya> videogamepianist...lol
[07:55] <smouche> thank you whiskey_1, I'll take a gander...
[07:55] <smouche> but I'd prefer a goose...
[07:55] <F_for_Fragging> well, i think i'll file a bug report on my problems with kaffeine and w32codecs
[07:55] <whiskey_1> smouche, it will give you a chance to test your w32codecs on linux for those of you who can have them
[07:55] <F_for_Fragging> thx for all your help though guys
[07:55] <smouche> take care, F_for_Fragging !
[07:56] <F_for_Fragging> nice to talk with you guys BTW
[07:56] <F_for_Fragging> bye
[07:56] <smouche> adios
[07:57] <smouche> I gotta eat lunch! damn I'm hungry.  see yas later on folks
[08:05] <whiskey_1> wow that ending theme to final fantasy 9 is fantastic
[08:06] <whiskey_1> i listened to the Halo2 music...but it was not too impressive
[08:07] <froud> what is standard install footprint of Kubuntu after first boot, in MB
[08:08] <froud> what is standard install footprint after first boot without kde (servermode), in MB
[08:10] <whiskey_1> i would like to make some ogg files of my old monkey island Jamaican midi music.....does anyone know of a midi to ogg converter
[08:10] <whiskey_1> since ubuntu does not seem to have midi working at this time
[08:11] <whiskey_1> preferably freeware
[08:11] <phunky> whiskey_1: google is your friend :)
[08:12] <froud> under qemu kubuntu install footprint with kde is 1024 MB. Is this the expected size of  the footprint on fixed media?
[08:12] <skaman> hi guys!
[08:13] <whiskey_1> phunky, i really can't use google...right now i am downloading t2 and it looks like it will take several hours
[08:13] <whiskey_1> phunky, so the browser is really tied up....do you know of a linux midi to ogg program
[08:13] <phunky> whiskey_1: ah. fair enough. no, I don't, but I'll google it for you :)
[08:15] <skaman> guys i have frequent crashes in a clear install
[08:15] <skaman> what shall I do?
[08:15] <skaman> (is the 3rd time i'm installing and always the same)
[08:17] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - my default gcc is gcc-4 (argh!) how can i set my default gcc to 3.3.5 (which is installed)? i dont wanna break the abi
[08:18] <Super_Cat_Frog> got it (rm /usr/bin/gcc, ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc)
[08:18] <skaman> guys i have frequent crashes in a clear install
[08:18] <skaman> what shall I do?
[08:18] <skaman> (is the 3rd time i'm installing and always the same)
[08:20] <skaman> noone can help me :'(
[08:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - could be dodgy hardware
[08:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> try doing the memcheck
[08:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> actually
[08:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> what is crashing? just one application or many?
[08:21] <skaman> but this happens only with kubuntu
[08:21] <skaman> ubuntu works perfectly
[08:21] <Super_Cat_Frog> ok, which applications crash?
[08:21] <regeya> mmmmmmmmm
[08:21] <skaman> i make 1 an example
[08:21] <skaman> i end my session
[08:21] <regeya> oops sorry
[08:21] <skaman> and i have kopete crash
[08:21] <skaman> signal 11
[08:21] <regeya> I so wish I could help, but I haven't experience...ooh
[08:22] <regeya> funny thing about signal 11 is that it's usually a hardware problem
[08:22] <skaman> i opern konqueror and i have same crash
[08:22] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - open kopete from the console, then right click the tray icon for kopete and press exit
[08:22] <Super_Cat_Frog> then post the output on rafb.net/paste and give me the url
[08:22] <skaman> k
[08:24] <Super_Cat_Frog> gday kkathman
[08:24] <kkathman> greeting all :)   Howdy there Super_Cat_Frog !!
[08:24] <skaman> no output after i close it :|
[08:25] <kkathman> Does anyone know what the heck is going on with www.kde-look.org ??  Its like its been down or almost down for 3 days
[08:25] <Super_Cat_Frog> kkathman - they're moving servers, afaik
[08:25] <skaman> http://rafb.net/paste/results/kCG5K468.html
[08:25] <skaman> her'es the link
[08:25] <kkathman> Super_Cat_Frog: well now there we go...thank you :)
[08:25] <skaman> but no output whan i close it
[08:26] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - did it crash when yo uclosed it?
[08:26] <Super_Cat_Frog> s'ok kkathman
[08:26] <kkathman> Super_Cat_Frog: I finished all my migrations and new starts last night...I now have 3 windows boxes and 3 linux ones..Ive now replaced 2 windows ones with linux :)
[08:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> cool
[08:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> all using kubuntu?
[08:27] <skaman> no man
[08:27] <skaman> didnt
[08:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> or are you experimenting with other distro's?
[08:27] <skaman> never crashes only when I log ot
[08:27] <skaman> out
[08:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - then open konqueror from the console, if it crashes, give me the output
[08:27] <kkathman> well ubuntu....I have one that is command line only, and another thats using wmaker
[08:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> m'kay
[08:28] <kkathman> I thought about experimenting tho :)
[08:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> i use vmware for experimenting (and running windows when i need it) but its not as good as a real second box
[08:28] <whiskey_1> kkathman, wow 6 computers...i thought my 2 were a lot
[08:28] <kkathman> 2 of the others are rather old computers...one is an old p2-450 Dell with 128MB memory, the other is an old HP Pavillion with a Celeron and 96MB memory
[08:29] <whiskey_1> kkathman, well win98 only really needs about 81 megs without running any apps
[08:29] <kkathman> whiskey_1: that doesnt count the two laptops we have
no crashes now but whan i logout i have always a crash
[08:29] <ChrisH> Evening... I've just installed Kubuntu at my father-in-law's PC. ;) And to make his life easier I have created a vfat partition so that he can exchange data between XP and Kubuntu. It now appears like umlauts () are not converted correctly. Does anyone know which parameters would be correct when mounting the partition?
[08:29] <kkathman> whiskey_1: yeah true
[08:29] <Super_Cat_Frog> chrish - you need to change the charset (google "german charset" or something like that)
[08:30] <_samuel> heloooo
[08:30] <kkathman> whiskey_1: this summer there will be 7 desktops and 4 latops in our house :)
[08:30] <_samuel> can anybody help me out here.
[08:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> _samuel - whats the problem?
[08:31] <kkathman> whiskey_1: trying to figure out if its really safe to put a laptop in a bathroom...prolly not :(
[08:31] <_samuel> how can i copy files in the terminal to a / 
[08:31] <_samuel> remember we ubuntu dont have root.
[08:32] <Super_Cat_Frog> cp ./myfile /to/directory/ -r
[08:32] <Super_Cat_Frog> _samuel - sudo cp ./myfile /to/directory/ -r
[08:32] <_samuel> cool.
[08:32] <kkathman> use "sudo" before your command....it executes it as a root user
[08:32] <_samuel> ok.
[08:32] <whiskey_1> kkathman, i dont know...i never really messed with laptops...i don't like the idea of having to purchase expensive rechargable batteries all the time
[08:32] <_samuel> i just want the command.
[08:32] <whiskey_1> kkathman, it is like the printer/ink issue.
[08:33] <whiskey_1> kkathman, or the razor/razorblade issue
[08:33] <kkathman> whiskey_1: yah, well my oldest kids will be home from college with theirs, then my wife and I have one from our respective employers
[08:33] <_samuel> i khow how tu compile and other things., but not copien stuff into the / dir.
[08:33] <ChrisH> Super_Cat_Frog: thanks
[08:33] <_samuel> hey super whats the -r for?
[08:34] <uniq> _samuel: recursive
[08:35] <skaman> Super_cat_frog look this one (kuser crash)http://rafb.net/paste/results/JZNXDE41.html
[08:35] <Super_Cat_Frog> i'l gander skaman
[08:35] <whiskey_1> it has gotten to where the razorblades cost more than the razor
[08:36] <whiskey_1> and the ink costs more than the printer
[08:36] <whiskey_1> and the blank dvds cost more than the dvd burner
[08:36] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - give me the whole output, right up to the 'konqueror' command
[08:36] <whiskey_1> and the battery packs cost more than the laptop
[08:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> and the cats cost more than the blender
[08:37] <_samuel> not really
[08:37] <skaman> Konqueror is not crashing right now..
[08:37] <_samuel> atcomputergeeks you can get 50 pack of DVD-R for $12
[08:37] <whiskey_1> and the video games cost more than the game hardware
[08:38] <whiskey_1> it is unbelievable
[08:38] <Super_Cat_Frog> cats do cost more than blender's though
[08:38] <whiskey_1> how could this have happened
[08:38] <_samuel> well i get ink for $7
[08:38] <_samuel> 7 dollars 
[08:38] <_samuel> can you believe that.
[08:38] <shogouki> skaman: damn dont use colors !
[08:39] <_samuel> well i use colors.
[08:39] <skaman> O_o"
[08:39] <Super_Cat_Frog> or rotate your colours - print in black, when that runs out, red, then green, then blue
[08:39] <_samuel> seven $ for color.
[08:39] <shogouki> _samuel: i dont talk about ink
[08:40] <skaman> Super_Cat_Frog how do i perform mmtest?
[08:40] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - reboot, its one of the boot options
[08:40] <_samuel> I hear some body saying that ink is so expensive i pay for mine $7.
[08:40] <_samuel> is that so cool.
[08:40] <whiskey_1> Super_Cat_Frog, the new cheap printers won't rotate colors...you have to have all tanks full before you can operate anything
[08:40] <skaman> ok i'll try thanks
[08:41] <skaman> it is possible that i get errors coz i have overclocked cpu?
[08:41] <whiskey_1> and the printers cost about $50 but the ink cost $8000/gallon
[08:41] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - yes
[08:41] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - thats probably it - unoverclock, try it
[08:41] <kkathman> skaman: absolutely
[08:41] <Super_Cat_Frog> if its not that, ununoverclock again
[08:41] <kkathman> ununoverclock?
[08:41] <kkathman> hehe
[08:41] <skaman> lol
[08:42] <skaman> but the system isstable
[08:42] <Super_Cat_Frog> yep, its like overclock, but after youve already unoverclocked
[08:42] <skaman> anyway i'll try
[08:42] <kkathman> Super_Cat_Frog: is that like today is yesterday's tomorrow?
[08:42] <whiskey_1> how could these things have happened....it seems like some kind of bait and hook approach
[08:42] <Super_Cat_Frog> kkathman - yep
[08:43] <Super_Cat_Frog> whiskey_1 - thats the plan
[08:43] <kkathman> conspiracy theory time
[08:43] <_samuel> have any of you guys have try it Crossover to play games?
[08:43] <whiskey_1> _samuel, well i tried dosbox...but it is still too slow
[08:43] <whiskey_1> _samuel, at least for action games
[08:43] <kkathman> I looked at crossover but it didnt offer me anything I couldnt get from wine
[08:44] <kkathman> for my purposes that is
[08:45] <buz> -> http://mirrors.playboy.com/FreeBSD/ so if i continue to use freebsd, I'll get a big mansion and tons of bunnies???
[08:45] <whiskey_1> _samuel, now the strange thing is that if i play monkey island in dosbox...it is quite slow...but if i play it in scummvm...it plays fine.....isn''t that weird
[08:45] <_samuel> hey have any body has use codega
[08:45] <_samuel> ?
[08:46] <Super_Cat_Frog> whiskey_1 - scumvm is specialised for gameplaying, its probably quite optimized
[08:47] <_samuel> super have you use this package before?
[08:47] <_samuel> codega.
[08:48] <_samuel> i want it too but you have to py for it.
[08:48] <Super_Cat_Frog> _samuel - no, ive only used wine for windows emulation
[08:48] <_samuel> hey there is any easy documents to follow the wine config.
[08:49] <_samuel> i have to istall this wine but i have never made to work.
[08:49] <Super_Cat_Frog> _samuel - sudo apt-get install wine ; wine ./myapp.exe
[08:49] <_samuel> i see.
[08:49] <_samuel> i goin to try it.
[08:50] <_samuel> dont you love apt-get that for free?
[08:50] <whiskey_1> kkathman, how do you use wine....i have an old game...The Beast Within.
[08:50] <Super_Cat_Frog> _samuel - huh?
[08:50] <whiskey_1> kkathman, i would like to see if it plays on linux
[08:50] <whiskey_1> kkathman, i know how to use dosbox but not wine
[08:51] <Super_Cat_Frog> whiskey_1 - sudo apt-get install wine ; wine ./myapp.exe
[08:51] <Super_Cat_Frog> whiskey_1 - have you tried dosemu?
[08:51] <whiskey_1> Super_Cat_Frog, yes i tried dosemu many years ago on slackware...but it did not play sound very well
[08:52] <whiskey_1> Super_Cat_Frog, dosbox seems to be a definite improvement but still not fully funtional
[08:52] <Super_Cat_Frog> whiskey_1 - well its been many years since you last tried it and its only an apt-get away
[08:52] <Super_Cat_Frog> brb
[08:52] <whiskey_1> well let me try that wine thing on this old sierra game
[08:52] <whiskey_1> will wine access the cd
[08:53] <_samuel> hey super.
[08:53] <_samuel> apt-get install wine does nor work.
[08:54] <whiskey_1> kkathman, well i am going to try wine and see what happens
[08:54] <crimsun> _samuel: you must enable the universe repo first, then update, then install wine.
[08:54] <_samuel> how do i do that?
[08:55] <crimsun> _samuel: wiki/UniversePackages
[08:56] <kkathman> whiskey_1: well I wanted the possibility of running Dreamweaver MX 2004 (not supported in Crossover or Wine) and Photoshop 7
[08:56] <kkathman> Photoshop is kinda sorta supported
[08:56] <whiskey_1> kkathman, no wine doean't work at all....gives all kinds of errors about vga_input/output io and soundblaser problems
[08:56] <kkathman> but yanno Quanta is very good
[08:56] <whiskey_1> kkathman, looks like wine and dosbox still have a lot of work to do
[08:57] <kkathman> but there really ISNT a good analog to Photoshop yet ...gimp is maybe 50%
[08:57] <whiskey_1> kkathman, but dosbox is useful for somethings...that dont require too much action
[08:57] <kkathman> but I do have Paint Shop Pro and that seems to be a gold app for Wine
[08:57] <whiskey_1> kkathman, what is so good about that costly software when we have gimpshop for free
[08:58] <whiskey_1> i have never seen Paint Shop Pro...what do you do with it
[08:58] <kkathman> right..but I have Photoshop
[08:58] <buz> kkathman: try krita
[08:58] <buz> its like paint shop but for kde
[08:58] <kkathman> Paint Shop Pro is like Photoshop...you get about 80-90% of Photoshop capability for about 1/7th the price
[08:58] <kkathman> buz: whats krita
[08:59] <buz> http://koffice.org/krita/
[08:59] <whiskey_1> kkathman, well i am still upset about having to pay $1.98 for a legal copy of Final Fantasy 7
[08:59] <whiskey_1> kkathman, i think costly software is outrageous
[08:59] <kkathman> can someone look at this fstab line and tell me where the error is:  //192.168.248.103/WebDevG  /media/EntWebDev  smbfs  credentials = /root/.smbcredentials
[08:59] <whiskey_1> kkathman, plus i had to pay MS $99....just to get win98 working....and it was their screwup
[09:00] <kkathman> whiskey_1: I wholly concurr....the beauty of Linux...quality apps for little or no investment
[09:00] <whiskey_1> kkathman, that is right
[09:01] <_samuel> crimsun.
[09:01] <crimsun> ?
[09:01] <_samuel> Are you there?
[09:01] <_samuel> Are you there?%
[09:01] <kkathman> when I try to mount -a && mount, it says that line is in error..and I cant see the problem
[09:02] <_samuel> Are you there?%C4
[09:02] <_samuel> Are you there?c4
[09:02] <_samuel> Are you there?C4
[09:02] <crimsun> (um...)
[09:03] <_samuel> can you tell step by step how to enable wiki?
[09:03] <_samuel> to get wine.
[09:03] <_samuel> working.
[09:03] <_samuel> :)
[09:03] <crimsun> _samuel: I did.
[09:03] <crimsun> _samuel: enable universe. apt-get update && apt-get install wine
[09:03] <crimsun> _samuel: use wine.
[09:04] <kkathman> never mind I found the error :)
[09:04] <_samuel> ok.
[09:04] <_samuel> hang un
[09:04] <_samuel> on.
[09:05] <crimsun> (I'm at work, btw, so I probably won't be around)
[09:05] <whiskey_1> _samuel, don't waste much time with wine....it won't even play The Beast Within
[09:05] <_samuel> ok
[09:05] <whiskey_1> _samuel, it needs more soundblaster work and vga work
[09:05] <_samuel> hey i did the command it give a error.
[09:06] <_samuel> uanble to lock the admin. dir.
[09:06] <kkathman> whiskey_1: But as long as there is no "flash" creation software in Linux, or Photoshop doesnt work, I have to keep at least one Win box alive :)
[09:07] <_samuel> hey kkat it does work with crossover.
[09:07] <_samuel> what is the version you are using?
[09:07] <_samuel> i have the new version 4.0
[09:08] <_samuel> photo shop and other apps works with crossover.
[09:08] <_samuel> i did try.
[09:08] <_samuel> only thing i was using xandros OS.
[09:09] <kkathman> buz: Looks like krita isnt even released yet...just experimental
[09:09] <buz> nah its not
[09:09] <buz> but i downloaded it a few days ago as deb
[09:09] <buz> a 5min spin looked quite nice
[09:10] <buz> can't remember where i got it though
[09:10] <buz> someone in here pointed me to it
[09:11] <Soul> Hi. please help. The 2.6.11 kernel in universe gives me "pivot_root: no such file" with kernel panic as a result. The original 2.6.10 works okay despite from detecting evms metadata as troublesome
[09:13] <kkathman> buz: it could be ok...did you get it from the ubuntu repos or from somewhere else? 
[09:13] <buz> nah i think it was from some kubuntu guy that was testing it
[09:13] <crimsun> Soul: please _do not_ use 2.6.11-0.2 from universe.
[09:13] <crimsun> Soul: it is unsupported. If you are stubborn and insist on using it, boot with "noinotify".
[09:14] <Soul> crimsun: okay. but I must either patch or use 2.6.11 to get my Promise SATA 2 work
[09:15] <crimsun> I take it 2.6.10-34 doesn't work?
[09:15] <Soul> so the best thing to do is to download source-package - add a patch somehow and build it?
[09:15] <Soul> crimsun: With a few-line-patch it could be
[09:16] <crimsun> Soul: does 2.6.10-34 work?
[09:16] <Soul> yes. without my SATA-drives :(
[09:16] <crimsun> I recommend you track Breezy then.
[09:16] <crimsun> 2.6.12rc should be released soon
[09:17] <Soul> in Beezy?
[09:17] <crimsun> yes, but it will be a few days.
[09:17] <crimsun> (at least)
[09:17] <crimsun> in the meantime, sure, use 2.6.11-0.2, but be aware that it's not supported at all.
[09:17] <Soul> if I change  my sources.list and dist-upgrade, do I get 2.6.11 then?
[09:17] <crimsun> not in main, not supported, no
[09:17] <Soul> 2.6.11-0.2  gives me kernel-panic
[09:18] <crimsun> I told you what you need to do
[09:18] <Soul> track breezy?
[09:18] <crimsun> see 5 minutes ago.
[09:18] <Soul> ahh. thanks
[09:18] <_samuel> when you playing wmp videos in xine this error appear. problem accur while loading a library  wmvdmod.dll
[09:18] <Soul> how do I add that in GRUB?  (im a LILO fan)
[09:18] <milez> so, people
[09:18] <_samuel> whats this problem about.
[09:19] <milez> is there sense switching to breezy, or is it too risky?
[09:21] <buz> i did it on saturday
[09:21] <buz> so far no trouble
[09:21] <buz> but no obvious gain either
[09:21] <milez> i see
[09:21] <buz> does anybody have an app to read out smart hdd temps?
[09:22] <whiskey_1> i looked at the configure options in wine and i could not see soundblaster related stuff at all
[09:22] <SpookyET> i've been thinking of moving to linux since i fell in love with amaroK, but open office is pissing me off. OpenOffice Impress is slow as hell.
[09:23] <whiskey_1> SpookyET, well use koffice or gnomeoffice.....do you really need that heavyweight Sun Open Office stuff
[09:24] <SpookyET> koffice won't cut it.
[09:24] <buz> openoffice impress is good enough as long as you dont plan on using fancy slide change effects
[09:24] <buz> which are evil anyway
[09:24] <buz> yeah koffice is mostly useless
[09:24] <Soul> Q: After I saved changes to /boot/grub/menu.lst , how do I apply the changes.. Does just run "grub" do it ?
[09:24] <crimsun> Breezy's not a good idea yet.
[09:24] <crimsun> it's usable, certainly
[09:24] <SpookyET> I heard that 2.0 contains some java code.  open office is slow enough.  does it really need java in it?
[09:25] <crimsun> gonna see some rough shifts, though.
[09:25] <whiskey_1> buz, why do you say that...i had koffice working fairly well on gentoo...but it needs some filters that you have to round up
[09:25] <whiskey_1> buz, like when you try to print from kspread and stuff
[09:25] <whiskey_1> buz, but the filters are available
[09:25] <buz> well if you live in that nice land where nobody ever sends you Office files, koffice is nice
[09:26] <buz> else you rather stick to openoffice
[09:26] <buz> now the pdf import would be REALLY nice, if it actually worked
[09:27] <SpookyET> speaking of PDF, KPDF does not work in all cases. I got an eBook, and it is not displayed correctly.  I see weird stuff instead of the text.
[09:29] <milez> buz, my experience is reverse
[09:29] <milez> i keep having to open msword hebrew documents in kword because they all show up as gibberish in both abiword and oo
[09:29] <SpookyET> Hebrew - I am glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
[09:30] <SpookyET> I already forgot it.
[09:31] <Soul> how do I install grub on the bootblock?  can i just edit the file and reboot?
[09:32] <magda> Soul: in MBR?
[09:33] <Soul> magda: yes
[09:33] <magda> grub-install /dev/hdx       x is your hd
[09:34] <Soul> magda: thanx.  i was misled by the "grub" command
[09:35] <Soul> magda: /dev/evms/boot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[09:35] <buz> any silent warriors around?
[09:38] <magda> Soul: ????
[09:39] <Soul> magda: thats an error I get from grub-install
[09:43] <magda> did you do this as admin ?
[09:43] <Soul> yes
[09:44] <magda> hmmm no plan
[09:45] <Soul> magda: found a possible cause in the evms manual  (im used to LILO)..   "kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz-2.4.20 root=/dev/evms/Root ramdisk=16384"
[09:45] <Soul> magda: the extra (hd0,0) they say are important
[10:33] <Boogieman> hello
[10:35] <kay> hello, my Kubuntu Breezy at work can't compile a kernel with the default gcc, 4.0 anymore
[10:35] <kay> Is this normal, I mean, should linux kernel already compile with gcc 4?
[10:38] <Boogieman> could it be that kubuntu has some bad problems with paket dependencies? when i want to remove a kde program like konversation. then it always wants to remove kde-base and other importend pakets too.
[10:39] <uniq> removing konversation wouldn't remove any important packages.
[10:41] <Boogieman> it was an example
[10:41] <Boogieman> in my case the most unimportend prorams always wanted to take some inportend pakages with them
[10:43] <uniq> boogieman: the packages that will be removed are the meta packages. simply an empty package that depends on all the packages in that section of KDE.. as an example: apt-get install kdegames will install ksnake among others.
[10:43] <uniq> but.
[10:43] <uniq> apt-get --purge remove ksnake, will remove ksnake and kdegames only.
[10:43] <uniq> not all the other packages.
[10:43] <uniq> understand? 
[10:44] <kay> What I always want is to override a dependency
[10:44] <uniq> why is that? 
[10:44] <kay> I want kubuntu-desktop to pull in new stuff
[10:44] <kay> But some programs, I am already decided against
[10:45] <Zugot> what is your favorite kde style?
 apt-get --purge remove ksnake, will remove ksnake and kdegames only. < but what is with the other games?
[10:45] <kay> I like k3b e.g., but why should I have it installed without a burner on this machine :p
[10:46] <kay> Boogieman: The games remain there, but if later new games appear and get added to kdegames, you don't automatically get them added
[10:46] <kay> Boogieman: This is of interest, if you think of upgrades
[10:46] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches,goodnigth
[10:46] <uniq> boogieman: the other games will still be installed. the kdegames package is a metapackage just to install stuff. 
[10:47] <uniq> kdegames depends on all the games.. but the games does not depend on the kdegames package.
[10:47] <Boogieman> so i wont see them automatically in the games section when i have kdegames deinstalled?
[10:47] <uniq> yes you would.
[10:48] <kay> You mean in the apt tools, or in the menu?
[10:48] <Boogieman> menu
[10:48] <kay> In the menu there will only be installed stuff
[10:49] <Boogieman> so what is the kdegames paket for?
[10:49] <kay> It is for "install all KDE games"
[10:49] <uniq> boogieman: every package works by itself. no need to have kdegames installed really.
[10:49] <kay> Once they are, by the means of pulling in dependencies, its job is done
[10:50] <kay> The package itself is very small if you look at it
[10:50] <uniq> yeah.. it's like kay says.. basically a shortcut for installing all the games.
[10:50] <kay> Or "kde" or "kubuntu-desktop" or "ubuntu-base"
[10:50] <uniq> sure.
[10:50] <kay> They have little by themselves, except telling apt what to install
[10:52] <kay> In Debian alike systems, e.g. Kubuntu, KDE is not just one big thing
[10:52] <kay> Instead, it is more like one program, one package
[10:52] <Boogieman> so if some paket wants to take kde-base or kubuntu-desktop or booth with it my kde will still look the same and is still workin after the deinstallation of the paket.
[10:52] <Boogieman> ?
[10:52] <kay> To avoid making you select all those manually, the meta packages achieve that
[10:53] <kay> Boogieman: Exactly
[10:53] <kay> Boogieman: Are you using Hoary or Breezy?
[10:53] <Boogieman> hoary
[10:53] <kay> Then it's fine, just cleanup and remove stuff you don't need
[10:55] <Boogieman> ok. i think then i can give kubuntu a second chance. it was scarynhg me at first because it wanted to take inportend looking pakets with it when i tried to uninstall something small and unimportend
[10:55] <kay> I agree, it doesn't look nice when it says you are about to remove something with such a big name like "kde"
[10:56] <kay> But, if you know what you are doing, this is a unique advantage, nobody else is allowing you to install KDE this finegrained
[10:57] <Unipa1> Hi, does somebody use the vnc or realvnc package from ubuntu?
[10:58] <Boogieman> yes and then you try to remove some things you dont need and you stop it every time because it want to take kde-base with it. then it is shure that you think kde will be gone after the uninstall
[11:00] <kay> Maybe the meta packages should be removed from Kubuntu after the install is finished
[11:00] <Boogieman> kay what do you mean with finegrained? that it takes pakets with it that are only importend for the installation of all things, but not for running it like kde-base or kde-games?
[11:00] <uniq> could be a good idea.
[11:00] <kay> They really only serve a purpose during development like in Breezy now
[11:01] <will> how do i add a link to the K Menu
[11:02] <kay> Boogieman: I mean that you get every program as one package and can remove it. In other systems, kdegames is all or nothing
[11:02] <kay> Boogieman: No way to only install the one game you play there
[11:02] <Boogieman> in mandrake i can install the games i want or all with kde-base *duck*
[11:03] <Boogieman> that was a nice thing with mandrake but their company politics with the special club pakets and their update system sucks
[11:04] <kay> From what I read they have made it through some hard times
[11:05] <kay> But the sponsor us, because we give you what others did for free attitude... well, it only lasts so long
[11:05] <will> can anyone tell me how to add a link to the K Menu
[11:05] <kay> will: Sorry, right click only the K menu
[11:05] <kay> You ought to see menu editor there
[11:06] <will> ah yeah! sorry, if you are in a menu. say 2 deep, you cant edit from there!! ahh!
[11:06] <Boogieman> is the paket kubuntu-desktop importend? some program i had wanted to take it with it.
[11:06] <kay> Only from the K button
[11:07] <will> or sorry, you cant ADD a new item there
[11:30] <Brazmetal> glass-eye,  hey man, remember me?
[11:30] <Brazmetal> ?
[11:38] <skaman> hi !
[11:38] <skaman> anyone experinced problems with Kuser
[11:38] <skaman> ?
[11:50] <Brazmetal> hey
[11:50] <Brazmetal> glass-eye, remember me?
[11:52] <sdogi> how exacly can you use apt-get to download the package, only download? is apt-get -d install something correct?
[11:52] <sdogi> it is bugging me a bit
[11:53] <sdogi> don't understand why i even have to become root for just downloading it
[11:53] <Zugot> because root owns /var/... blah blah blah
[11:53] <skaman> sudo apt-get install packagename
[11:54] <sdogi> yeah that will surely download a package for me :P
[11:54] <sdogi> Zugot: yeah apparently
[11:54] <sdogi> i think i'll fetch them manually
[11:54] <Brazmetal> hey, why my resolv.conf file is reset each boot? I set the dns adresses, and when i reboot the system the internet isn't working cause the values I put in the file desappeared ?
[11:55] <skaman> anyone has idea about the name of the java plugin for fireofox???
[11:56] <olive> Hello there
[11:56] <skaman> hi
[11:57] <olive> Hello there, I just have a simple question for the Kubuntu Live CD : How can I (easily) access my hard drives ? I don't see any programs to mount partition...
[11:59] <skaman> i don't think u can
[11:59] <skaman> with live cd
[11:59] <skaman> coz u have to edit etc fstab
[11:59] <skaman> but i never used the livecd
[12:00] <skaman> so maybe i'm mistaking
[12:00] <olive> I somehow managed to do it without using fstab by manually 'mount /dev' but it's somewhat crude
[12:00] <skaman> i think is the only way
[12:00] <skaman> in the "installed"kubuntu
[12:00] <skaman> u can do it bi a panel tab
[12:01] <skaman> by not by ^^